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OKAY. I'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER A ROLL CALL, PLEASE.
[1) Call to Order]
NON-VOTING SCHOOL BOARD REP. MISS LOCKHART IS ABSENT.MEMBER BARRON HERE. MEMBER BLOEMKER HERE. MEMBER PRICE.
PRESENT MEMBER. FREDERICKSON HERE. MEMBER KAPPLER IS ABSENT.
ALTERNATE MEMBER PETERSON HERE. VICE CHAIR FOWLER, PRESENT AND CHAIR COUGHLIN HERE.
THANK YOU. OKAY, LET'S PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG, PLEASE.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
OKAY. ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA? WE DO HAVE ONE CHANGE.
[4) Changes to the Agenda]
WE'LL TAKE A MOTION WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE, BUT ITEM SEVEN C IS GOING TO BE CONTINUED TO NEXT MONTH'S MEETING.THE NOVEMBER MEETING. SO WE WILL NOT HEAR THAT ITEM.
THAT'S JUST FOR EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE OR WATCHING AT HOME.
SO THAT ITEM WILL BE CONTINUED TO THE NOVEMBER 13TH PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD MEETING.
I ACTUALLY HAVE AGENDA ITEM ADDITIONS. PLEASE TURN ON YOUR MIC.
THERE YOU GO. THERE WE GO. I HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM ADDITIONS.
WE HAD EXTENSIVE DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT AT THE MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, AND I CAN GO INTO ALL THE DETAILS IF YOU WANT OR WE HOPEFULLY HAVE AGREEMENT. WELL, I THINK WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION.
THERE ARE ISSUES TO DISCUSS ABOUT THAT. SO WE'LL HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA.
AND THAT IS THE PAB WAS GOING TO DISCUSS ANY CHANGES YOU WANTED TO MAKE TO THE BOARD AND YOUR MEETINGS, BECAUSE THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL. IF WE'RE ADDING WORKSHOP MEETINGS AND STUFF TO THIS BOARD, THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO DISCUSS. WELL, I THINK WE'RE CONFLATING SCENARIOS I HAVE CONSISTENTLY NOW FOR EACH OF THE LAST THREE MEETINGS GONE THROUGH DESCRIPTION OF CONCERN ABOUT THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NOT FULFILLED OUR STATUTORY RESPONSIBILITY. AND SO I THINK THIS IS MY, MY RECOMMENDATIONS ARE ALL SPECIFIC TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE. YOU'LL ALL RECALL THAT GREG INITIATED THE DISCUSSION IN MAY ABOUT ADDITIONAL DUTIES. IN ESSENCE, LOOKING TO ENHANCE THE ROLE.
AND MY DISCUSSION IS ALL ABOUT US DOING THE ROLE THAT WE HAVE.
SO I BELIEVE 11 AND CORRESPONDENCE DEALS WITH ENHANCING THE PAB.
CAN WE COULD WE DISCUSS THAT IN NINE A, WHICH IS THE UPDATE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? WELL, I JUST I LET'S MAKE IT NINE B YEAH. THANK YOU.
DOES ANYBODY OBJECT TO ADDING A NINE B IN THERE FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES ONLY.
NO OBJECTION. NO OBJECTION. OKAY. MAKE THAT REVISION THEN, PLEASE.
ERICA. YEP. ANY OTHER CHANGES? NOPE. ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? SUBMITTED A MOTION TO APPROVE. PARDON? WE HAVE A MOTION TO SET THE AGENDA.
IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT? THANK YOU. TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA.
MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA. SECOND. I'LL SECOND IT.
THAT'S AS MODIFIED. AS AMENDED. AS AMENDED. OKAY.
OKAY. VERY GOOD. NEXT IS THE APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE LAST BOARD MEETING.
[6.A) Approval of the September 9, 2026, Planning Advisory Board Meeting Minutes.]
SEPTEMBER 9TH, 2026. THE DRAFT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO YOU.I WAS NOT THERE, SO I'LL JUST SHARE THE APPROVAL OF THAT.
I WILL MAKE THE MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AYE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT WAS EASY. I JUST WOULD LIKE TO ADD THE COMMENT THAT I MISSED THE LAST MEETING BECAUSE OF A MEDICAL APPOINTMENT FOR MY WIFE IN BOSTON, AND I HAVE TAKEN THE TIME TO READ THE MINUTES.
SO I'M SOMEWHAT UP TO DATE AS TO WHAT THE DISCUSSIONS WERE.
THE NEXT ITEM IS A PUBLIC HEARING AND ERIC IS GOING TO READ THE TITLE, PLEASE.
[7.A) A Resolution Determining Conditional Use Petition 26-CU7 Pursuant to Sections 46-34 and 58-563 of the Code of Ordinances, City of Naples, to Allow a Cocktail Lounge to Operate on Property Within the C1-A Commercial Core District, Owned by NECO 780 5th Avenue South, LLC, a Delaware Limited Liability Company, and Located at 776 5th Avenue South, More Fully Described Herein; Providing for Scrivener’s Errors; Providing Findings and Conditions; and Providing an Effective Date.]
SURE. SEVEN A IS A RESOLUTION DETERMINING CONDITIONAL USE PETITION.26-Q7 PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 46-34 AND 58-563 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.
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CITY OF NAPLES TO ALLOW A COCKTAIL LOUNGE TO OPERATE ON PROPERTY WITHIN THE C ONE, A COMMERCIAL CORE DISTRICT OWNED BY NICO SEVEN 85TH AVENUE SOUTH LLC, A DELAWARE LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY AND LOCATED AT 776 FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH.I'LL SWEAR ANYBODY THAT'S GOING TO TESTIFY ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
THANK YOU. THE APPLICANT WANT TO COME FORWARD AND EXPLAIN THEIR APPLICATION.
LET'S GET DISCLOSURES FROM DISCLOSURES. DISCLOSURES.
O ANY THANK YOU. BEFORE WE BEGIN, HANG ON FOR ANY DISCLOSURES BY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
NO. NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. NOTHING. AWARE OF THE SPACE.
NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. I'VE BEEN TO THE STATE AND REVIEWED THE APPLICATION, AND I SERVED ON THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD WITH THE ARCHITECT ON THIS PROJECT.
I DON'T THINK IT HAS ANY BEARING ON ANY CONFLICT, SO THANK YOU.
OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. PROCEED, SIR. CAN I GO? YES. IDENTIFY YOURSELF. THANK YOU. YOU CAN STAY THERE.
THERE'S A MIC, RIGHT? IT'S LIT. SORRY, I CAN'T HEAR.
YOU CAN SPEAK RIGHT WHERE YOU'RE STANDING. IT'S WORKING.
JUST GO AHEAD AND GIVE YOUR NAME. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR.
FOR THE TIME. I EXPLAINED A LITTLE BIT. THE CONCEPT IS UNFORTUNATELY FOR THE CONCEPT WE HAVE, WE ARE. EXCUSE ME, COULD YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD? SORRY, ALBERTO. I'M ALBERTO, THE FOUNDER OF SCIMMIA.
I WAS TRYING TO EXPLAIN YOU. IT'S JUST WITH THE CONCEPT.
I'M TRYING TO COME OUT. UNFORTUNATELY, I'M FALLING INTO THE COCKTAIL LOUNGE, BUT I WANT TO BE, LIKE, CLEAR. IT'S NOT A COCKTAIL LOUNGE. IT'S MORE LIKE A A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN COME IN AND DISCOVER ABOUT WINES.
I'M A WINEMAKER ACTUALLY, FROM ITALY, AND I THINK 450 WILL BE A GREAT, A GREAT PLACE TO, YOU KNOW, TO GO AND, AND KNOW AND LEARN ABOUT, ABOUT WINE, ABOUT FOOD PAIRING WITH.
AND FOR SURE, IT'S NOT A PLACE WHERE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE LIKE LOUD MUSIC OR IT'S MORE LIKE A QUIET PLACE WHERE PEOPLE CAN COME AND CAN ENJOY RELAXING A GLASS OF WINE WITHOUT GOOD FOOD PAIRING AND LEARN MOST. AND SO YEAH, THIS IS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN LOOK THROUGH THE, THE PRESENTATION YOU SEE IS VERY IS VERY LITTLE.
SO THAT'S THE, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I WANTED TO, TO BE CLEAR WITH YOU GUYS, BECAUSE I WANT TO BE IN LINE WITH THE FIFTH AVENUE CONCEPT LIKE ELEGANCE AND EXCLUSIVITY AND, BUT FOR EVERYBODY, YEAH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION, ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT, WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY.
NOT LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, BUT I MEAN BEING, NOT BEING CLASSIFIED, CLASSIFIED AS A, AS A, LIKE A WINE EXPERIENCE WITH FOOD PAIRING, IT WILL BE IF YOU GIVE ME THE PERMISSION IN THE FUTURE TO DISCUSS, TO HAVE LIKE A COUPLE OF TABLES WHERE THE PEOPLE CAN SEE IT.
YOU BETTER UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
THANK YOU. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANYONE ELSE SPEAKING ON YOUR BEHALF? NO, NO NO. EXCUSE ME. I'M SORRY I MISSED YOU.
TWO QUESTIONS. ONE, IN YOUR APPLICATION, YOU SAY THAT THE GUIDING LIGHT AND BOTTLE SERVICE TOGETHER WITH COMPLIMENTARY SMALL PLATES? YES. MY QUESTION IS THE TERM OF COMPLIMENTARY SMALL PLATES.
THOSE ARE NOT INTENDED TO BE FREE OF CHARGE. COMPLIMENTARY.
NO, NO, IT'S NOT FREE OF CHARGE. OF COURSE IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE OKAY, LIKE YES.
OKAY. AND THEN DO YOU HAVE ANY INTENTION OF SELLING HARD LIQUOR OR MAKING IT INTO A COCKTAIL BAR? NOT AT ALL. JUST THE JUST WINE IS THE FOCUS THING AND NOT NOTHING TO DO LIKE COCKTAIL OR SERVE WHISKEY, FOR EXAMPLE, OR BOOZE. SO WHAT OTHER THAN WINE WOULD BE SERVED? YOU'RE GOING TO BE WINE IS GOING TO BE LIKE A COUPLE OF WINE COCKTAIL LIKE YOU CAN MAKE LIKE WE CALL IT IN ITALY SPRITZ WITH YOU KNOW, SPRITZ, BUT NOT APPLE WINE.
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WINE SPRITZ. DIFFERENT COMBINATION THAN WATER FOR SURE.AND OTHER DRINKS AND MAYBE A COUPLE OF YEAH, THIS, THIS COCKTAIL.
SO. YEAH. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? MY STAFF REPORT, PLEASE. GOOD MORNING. JEFF BRAMER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THE PETITIONER PROPOSES THE FOLLOWING. HOURS OF OPERATION SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, 11 A.M.
TO 10 P.M. FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, 11 A.M. TO 11 P.M..
THIS PETITION HAS NO PROPOSED LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AND SHOULD THAT CHANGE, THE PETITIONER AND THE PETITIONER WISH TO OFFER THAT THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO RECEIVE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL. CURRENTLY, OUTDOOR DINING IS ALSO NOT ALLOWED FOR COCKTAIL LOUNGES AND WINE BARS AND OPERATIONS LIKE THIS. OUTDOOR DINING IS ONLY ALLOWED FOR CONVENTIONAL RESTAURANTS.
AND THAT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING AND APPROVAL BY CITY COUNCIL.
IT'S POSSIBLE THAT REGULATIONS COULD CHANGE FOR OUTDOOR SEATING FOR SITUATIONS LIKE THIS, BUT THAT'S NOTHING FORMAL HAS BEEN PROPOSED YET. BUT THAT COULD BE COMING DOWN THE LINE.
JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND ABOUT THE CODE CLASSIFICATION.
THE CLOSEST USE DESCRIPTION IN THE EXISTING CODE IS FOR A COCKTAIL LOUNGE.
AND THAT DEFINITION STATES THAT A COCKTAIL LOUNGE IS, QUOTE, A VENDOR WHO SELLS PRIMARILY BEER, WINE, OR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR CONSUMPTION ON THE PREMISES AND DERIVES LESS THAN 51% OF GROSS REVENUES IN FOOD IN ANY PERIOD OF TIME BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 7 A.M.
AND 2 A.M. THE FOLLOWING DAY, PURSUANT TO CODE SECTION 58.
THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT AND PURSUANT TO SECTION 4634, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUIRES DISCRETIONARY REVIEW AND A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AND APPROVAL BY CITY COUNCIL.
TO DATE, STAFF HAS RECEIVED NO PUBLIC CORRESPONDENCE CONCERNING THE REQUEST.
THE PETITION IS REVIEWED, BEEN REVIEWED BY ALL CITY DEPARTMENTS INCLUDING POLICE AND FIRE, WITH NO REPORTED ISSUES STAFF HAS REVIEWED THE PETITION PURSUANT TO SECTION 46.34 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND HAS FOUND THAT THE CRITERIA HAVE BEEN MET. SHOULD THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD WISH TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO COUNCIL, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THE THREE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS BE INCLUDED.
NUMBER ONE. HOURS OF OPERATION SHALL BE LIMITED TO WHAT THEY HAVE REQUESTED, WHICH IS 11 A.M.
TO 11 P.M. SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY, 11 A.M. TO 11 P.M.
FRIDAY AND SATURDAY. NUMBER TWO. ALL SEATING AND CUSTOMER SERVICE AREAS SHALL BE LOCATED INDOORS, WITH DOORS AND WINDOWS CLOSED AND CONFIGURED IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE ARRANGEMENTS AS DEPICTED IN THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS PROFFERED WITH THIS PETITION.
AND NUMBER THREE, THAT ALL SIGNAGE SHALL BE PERMITTED SEPARATELY AND FOUND IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL RELEVANT REGULATIONS IN CHAPTER 50 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES AND THE FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH OVERLAY DISTRICT STANDARDS.
THAT CONCLUDES STAFF COMMENTS. AT THE MOMENT WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF FROM BOARD MEMBERS? JUST A COUPLE OF JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. CURIOSITY.
WHAT'S IMMEDIATELY ABOVE THE THE PROPOSED VENUE.
IF YOU IF YOU KNOW, IS IT RESIDENTIAL? THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN THE BUILDING.
I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY IF IT'S OFFICES THERE.
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BUT I DON'T KNOW THE LAYOUT RIGHT ABOVE. IF THERE WAS A RESIDENTIAL UNIT, THEY WOULD HAVE RECEIVED A LETTER FOR ALL THE PROPERTIES WITHIN 1000FT WOULD HAVE RECEIVED THIS. AND LIKE I SAID, WE'VE RECEIVED NO LETTERS OF OBJECTION OR CORRESPONDENCE REGARDLESS.AND THEN JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, IF THE THE VENUE WISHED TO, IF IT'S APPROVED AND THEN WISH TO ADD OUTDOOR SEATING, WHAT WOULD BE THE MECHANISM FOR, FOR, FOR, FOR GOING ABOUT THAT.
THAT'S KIND OF IN, IN FLUX AT THE MOMENT, LIKE I SAID, COUNCIL VISITED THAT.
IT'S A DISCUSSION TOPIC. I THINK WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING INTO LANGUAGE FOR THAT.
BUT FOR THAT TO CHANGE, THAT WOULD BE A FEW. AT LEAST A FEW MONTHS DOWN THE ROAD, THE CODE WOULD CHANGE, AND I BELIEVE THOSE CHANGES WOULD COME BEFORE THEM.
TERRIFIC. THANK YOU. YES. I MEAN, SO THIS IS CURRENTLY DESIGNATED AS A COCKTAIL LOUNGE.
DOES THAT MEAN HE DOES NOT NEED TO COME BACK BEFORE PLANNING BOARD OR CITY COUNCIL IF SHOULD HE DECIDE TO SERVE LIQUOR? OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. AND THE SECOND QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR THE CITY? SHOULD WE DECIDE WE WANT A WINE BAR DESIGNATION? CURRENTLY THERE ISN'T ONE. BUT DO YOU SEE THAT THERE MAY BE INTEREST IN DOING THAT AND HOW WOULD IT BE DONE? SO WE DISCUSSED THAT WITH COUNCIL AND THAT WILL BE COUNCIL WAS INTERESTED IN PURSUING THAT.
YOU KNOW, FURTHERING THAT DISCUSSION. SO WE WILL CONTINUE WORKING WITH CITY COUNCIL ON THAT.
DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN WINE BAR, COCKTAIL LOUNGE AND RESTAURANT.
OTHER QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION.
SO MOVED. SECOND. MOVED AND SECONDED TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION.
CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. MEMBER. FREDERICKSON. YES.
MEMBER. BARONE. YES. ALTERNATE MEMBER. PETERSON.
YES. VICE CHAIR. FOWLER. YES. MEMBER. BLOEMKER.
YES. MEMBER. CREASE. YES. MEMBER. KAPPLER IS ABSENT.
CHAIR. COUGHLIN. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NEXT ITEM ON. THANK YOU. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS SEVEN B.
[7.B) A Resolution for the Purpose of Determining Petition 26-N2, Relating to a Nonconformity Pursuant to Sections 46-35 and 58-206 of the Code of Ordinances, City of Naples, to Allow the Expansion of a Nonconforming Single-Family Dwelling in the R1-10A Residence District, for the Property Owned by Visron Properties, LLC, A Delaware Limited Liability Company, and Located at 3848 Crayton Road, More Fully Described Herein; Providing Findings and Conditions; and Providing an Effective Date. ]
SEVEN B IS A RESOLUTION FOR THE PURPOSE OF DETERMINING PETITION.26-N2 RELATING TO A NON-CONFORMITY PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 46, 35 AND 58-2 HUNDRED SIX OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, CITY OF NAPLES TO ALLOW THE EXTENSION OR EXPANSION OF A NON-CONFORMING SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING IN THE R1 TEN, A RESIDENCE DISTRICT FOR THE PROPERTY OWNED BY BYRON PROPERTIES LLC, A DELAWARE LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY AND LOCATED AT 3848 GRATTAN ROAD.
MORE FULLY DESCRIBED HEREIN. PROVIDING FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. AND.
THANK YOU. IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO TESTIFY ON THIS ITEM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
DID YOU SWEAR IN ALREADY? YES. OKAY. I THINK I THINK WE'RE ALL DONE.
OKAY. GOOD. APPLICANT. EXCUSE ME. DISCLOSURE.
ALL DISCLOSURES. I'M BEING REMINDED. ANY DISCLOSURES? NO DISCLOSURES? NO. NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. NOTHING TO DISCLOSE.
NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. FAMILIAR WITH THE STATE.
REVIEWED THE APPLICATION AND NOTHING FOR ME TO DISCLOSE.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
26-N2 LOCATED AT 3848 CREIGHTON ROAD. SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN.
WE'RE PROPOSING IN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE ALONG WITH AN EXTERIOR RENOVATION OF THE HOME, REPLACING THE ROOF, THE DRIVEWAY, LANDSCAPING, AND BASICALLY JUST TRYING TO MODERNIZE THE HOME AND BRING IT UP TO THE CALIBER OF THE OTHER CREIGHTON ROAD HOUSES ON THE STREET. SO WHERE THE NONCONFORMITY ISSUE COMES INTO PLAY IS THAT THE HOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT IN 1971. AT THE TIME, CREIGHTON ROAD HAD A 30 FOOT FRONT SETBACK.
AND RIGHT NOW IT HAS A 40 FOOT FRONT SETBACK.
SO THE EXISTING GARAGE IS ACTUALLY ENCROACHING TEN FEET.
THAT'S DUE TO THE CHANGE IN THE FRONT SETBACK OVER THE YEARS. SO WE'RE ASKING PERMISSION TO OBVIOUSLY KEEP THE EXISTING GARAGE WHERE IT IS, BUT ALSO, AS YOU CAN SEE. OH, SORRY, IT'S NOT.
THE MOUSE ISN'T MOVING, BUT THE FRONT LIVING ROOM AREA.
SO WE'RE NOT ASKING TO ENCROACH ANY FURTHER THAN IT ALREADY IS THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
ON THE LEFT IS THE EXISTING HOUSE. ON THE RIGHT IS THE PROPOSED RENOVATION.
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OBVIOUSLY IT'S A MUCH CLEANER, NEWER LOOKING HOUSE.THEY LIVED IN THE HOUSE FOR TEN YEARS. THEY LOVE THE HOUSE.
THEY AREN'T READY TO DESTROY IT AND BUILD. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE HOUSES YOU SEE ON CREIGHTON ROAD, BUT THEY'D LOVE TO UPDATE IT AND FRESHEN IT UP AND BRING IT INTO THE INTO 2026 STANDARDS.
AND THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. WE APPRECIATE IT, YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION.
AND WE HOPE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT.
I CAN STAY THERE. ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT BY THE BOARD MEMBERS? I HAVE JUST A CURIOSITY QUESTION. HOW FAR IS THE FLOOR LEVEL ABOVE FLOOD THE FLOODPLAIN AT THIS POINT IN TIME? THE FLOOR LEVEL IS BELOW FLOOD AT THE MOMENT.
THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. DO YOU KNOW THE NUMBERS? I DON'T KNOW THE NAME OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I CAN FIND OUT FOR YOU THOUGH. OF COURSE. OKAY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I BELIEVE THOSE MEASUREMENTS ARE IN THE STAFF REPORT.
OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYBODY ELSE WISH TO TESTIFY ON YOUR BEHALF? NO, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MISS LEWIS.
THE PETITIONER IS JACOB R RUSSO OF MGR SPECIAL PROJECTS, LLC.
THIS NON-CONFORMITY PETITION IS TO ALLOW THE EXPANSION OF A NON-CONFORMING SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING IN THE R 110, A RESIDENCE DISTRICT PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 46, 35 AND 58-20206 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR THE PROPERTY OWNED BY VASAN PROPERTIES LLC AND LOCATED AT 3848 CREIGHTON ROAD.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE PARK SHORE SUBDIVISION NUMBER ONE, WHICH WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY OF NAPLES ON DECEMBER 4TH OF 1968 VIA RESOLUTION 1968-1431. ON FEBRUARY 5TH, 1969, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED ORDINANCE 1969-1442 ESTABLISHING THE PARK SHORE UNIT NUMBER PLAN DEVELOPMENT PD ZONING DISTRICT.
THE MINIMUM YARD REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOTS WITHIN THE PARK SHORE PD WERE ADOPTED IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE CITY'S HISTORIC DISTRICT OF R-1 TEN, WHICH REQUIRED A 30 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK, 7.5FT SIDE YARD AND A 25 FOOT REAR YARD.
ABOUT 30 YEARS LATER, THE CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZED STAFF TO COLLABORATE WITH THE PARK SHORE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION TO ADDRESS INCONSISTENCIES BETWEEN THE R-1 TEN MINIMUM SIDE YARD SETBACK OF 7.5FT AND THE DEED RESTRICTIONS OF THE RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY LOTS, WHICH REQUIRED A TEN FOOT SIDE YARD SETBACK ORDINANCE. 98. 8391 TEXT AMENDMENT 98-86 WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL ON SEPTEMBER 2ND, 1998, WHICH CREATED THE R 110, A RESIDENCE DISTRICT UNDER CHAPTER 58, ARTICLE TWO, DIVISION SEVEN OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND ESTABLISHED A MINIMUM SIDE YARD SETBACKS AS 30, TEN AND 25FT FOR THE FRONT, SIDE AND REAR YARDS, RESPECTIVELY.
AND THEN ON JANUARY 5TH, 2008, THE PARK SHORE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND BOARD OF DIRECTORS AGAIN ENGAGED THE CITY, REQUESTING AMENDMENTS TO THE R 110 ZONING DISTRICT REGARDING REGULATIONS FOR FENCES, SETBACK, DOCKS, CARPORTS, MINIMUM FLOOR AREA AND THE FRONT YARD SETBACKS ALONG PARK SHORE DRIVE AND CREIGHTON ROAD, WHICH FUNCTIONS AS A COLLECTOR ROAD. AS A RESULT, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED ORDINANCE 08-12049 TEXT AMENDMENT 08205. ON MAY 7TH, 2008, WHICH AMENDED SECTION 58-2 HUNDRED SIX OF THE R1 TEN A RESIDENCE DISTRICT AND ESTABLISHED THE CURRENT 40 FOOT MINIMUM FRONT YARD FOR LOTS FRONTING CREIGHTON ROAD AND PARKSHORE DRIVE.
SO OTHER LOTS OF SIDE OF THOSE ROADS REMAIN AT 30FT FROM THE FRONT YARD.
THE REQUEST FOR THE EXPANSION INCLUDES A TOTAL OF 742FT², IN WHICH APPROXIMATELY 145FT² ENCROACHES INTO THE MINIMUM REQUIRED 40 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK ALONG CREIGHTON ROAD. THIS ITEM WAS NOTICED ON SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2026, IN WHICH A TOTAL OF 361 LETTERS WERE MAILED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 1000FT AS OF THE DATE OF. AS OF TODAY, STAFF HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY CORRESPONDENCE REGARDING THIS REQUEST.
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AFTER TODAY'S DECISION, IT IS ANTICIPATED THAT CITY COUNCIL WILL HEAR THIS ITEM ON NOVEMBER 18TH, 2026, WITH FINAL ACTION TAKEN BY RESOLUTION PURSUANT TO SECTION 46-35C OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, STAFF HAVE APPLIED THE CRITERIA FOR EXPANDING, ENLARGING, CHANGING THE NONCONFORMITY AND FOUND THAT THE CENTERS HAVE BEEN MET.TWO THE PETITION. THIS PETITION INVOLVES THE HORIZONTAL EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND SHALL NOT APPLY TO THE REBUILDING OF NEW STRUCTURES IF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS DEMOLISHED OR THE NONCONFORMITIES ARE REMOVED.
AND THREE SHOULD THE EXISTING NONCONFORMING PORTIONS OF THE STRUCTURES BE DEMOLISHED, EVEN FOR A BRIEF PERIOD, THIS APPROVAL DISSOLVES AND THE PETITIONER MUST OBTAIN VARIANCE APPROVAL TO BUILD ACCORDING TO THE PROPOSED PLANS, OR THE NEW STRUCTURES MUST BE BUILT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING REGULATIONS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES IN EFFECT AT THAT TIME.
OH, AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, THE EXISTING FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION IS SIX FEET.
SIX FEET. THANK YOU. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION.
I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. I HAVE QUESTIONS. YES GO AHEAD.
WHAT IS THE CURRENT VALUE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE PETITIONER. DO YOU KNOW THAT THE CURRENT VALUE IS I BELIEVE IT WAS UNDER JUST UNDER A MILLION, MAYBE 800,000 ROUGHLY FOR THE STRUCTURE. YES, SIR.
IT'S MAINLY THE EXTERIOR. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE UNDER THE 50% RULE.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO BE POSSIBLE. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I THINK IT WILL.
BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT. YES, I'LL MAKE SURE I'VE TALKED TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT.
I THINK WE'LL BE ALL SET IN THAT ASPECT. OTHER QUESTIONS? I HAVE ONE. SO TO THE EXTENT WE'RE DOING A REMODEL SCENARIO LIKE THIS WHERE IT'S A HOME THAT'S UNDER OUR FLOOD STANDARDS.
WELL, CIVIL ENGINEERING BE REQUIRED AS FAR AS ALL THE ALL NEW DRAINAGE AND SO FORTH.
YEAH. FULL BUILDING PERMIT WILL BE REQUIRED WITH ALL THE APPLICABLE DOCUMENTS.
IF THEY TRIP THE THRESHOLD FOR STORMWATER, THEN YES, THEY'LL HAVE TO BRING THE PROPERTY UP TO STORMWATER STANDARDS, WHICH I ASSUME THAT THEY WILL, BECAUSE THIS WILL BE A FULL.
YES, SIR. I HAVE THE ENGINEERED DOCUMENTS FOR THAT.
YES. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST A QUESTION ABOUT CONDITION TO IT.
I'LL JUST READ IT. THE PETITION INVOLVES THE HORIZONTAL EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
AND BUT MY QUESTION IS, WILL IT LOOK LIKE IN THE IMAGE THAT YOU PRESENTED, WHICH IS BEAUTIFUL, THAT THE THAT THE PEAK OF THE HOUSE WILL BE A LITTLE TALLER AT THE END OF THE AT THE END OF THE PROCESS.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES, SIR. YEAH. WE WERE TRYING TO BALANCE A LITTLE MORE.
SO WE WILL BE ALTERING WITH THE TRUSSES, THE ROOF LINE.
SO IT'S KIND OF BOTH AREAS WILL BE A LITTLE BIT TALLER THAN WHAT IS THERE NOW.
OKAY. THEN THAT IS A VERTICAL EXPANSION. THAT WILL BE.
YEAH. AND THE QUESTION IS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE CONDITIONED TO SO THAT IT DOESN'T SOMEHOW RUN AFOUL WITH THE SLIGHTLY TALLER, THE VERTICAL EXPANSION. SO THAT'S IF WE CAN DO THAT, IF IT'S NECESSARY.
TERRIFIC. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I WANT TO CONGRATULATE YOU FOR NOT GIVING US A MEGA MATCH.
AND INSTEAD. I THINK IT'S A IT'S A VERY ATTRACTIVE DESIGN.
BUT DID THIS HOUSE FLOOD DURING ANY OF THOSE? IT DID. YES. SO HE'S HE'S BEEN WORKING ON TRYING TO MODIFY THE WINDOW HEIGHTS AND DIFFERENT THINGS TO TRY TO HELP PREVENT IT.
BUT OBVIOUSLY IF WE HAVE, GOD FORBID, WE HAVE A STORM LIKE IAN AGAIN, IT'S GOING TO BE INEVITABLE.
BUT TO BE HONEST, I DID PITCH A NEW HOUSE. HE DIDN'T GO FOR IT, SO I TRIED.
WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR FRANKNESS AND HONESTY.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE. I HAD ONE MORE.
OH. I'M SORRY. JUST ONE MORE COMMENT AND IT'S MORE FOR YOU TO TAKE NOTICE OF.
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BECAUSE IN OUR LAST HEARING, THIS HAPPENED TO A PETITIONER.SO ON NUMBER THREE OF THE LAST PAGE, PAGE NINE FROM STAFF.
OH, PAY VERY CLOSE ATTENTION. DO NOT TEAR THE GARAGE WALLS DOWN FOR ANY REASON, BECAUSE IF YOU DO, YOU'RE GOING TO BE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO NOW COME IN FRONT OF US FOR A VARIANCE.
OH, OKAY. SO TO BE VERY SPECIFIC TO YOUR TEAM IN THE FIELD, OKAY.
TO, TO NOT THAT'S A VERY, IT'S AN EASY THING TO MISS.
OKAY. AND OUR PETITIONERS LAST MONTH MISSED IT.
AND NOW THEY WERE IN FRONT OF US ASKING FOR A VARIANCE OF SOMETHING WE HAD ALREADY APPROVED BECAUSE THEY, YOU KNOW, THE FIELD FOR ACCESSIBILITY MOVES TO REMOVE SOME PIECES OF WALL THAT WEREN'T SUPPOSED TO BE REMOVED.
OKAY. SO PAY VERY CLOSE ATTENTION BECAUSE THAT'LL REALLY HOLD YOU UP.
OKAY. IF YOU HAVE TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF US, I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IN THE FIELD, CALL US. OKAY. BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING, CONTACT THE CITY.
THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE THAT. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH THE REVISED CONDITIONS SO MOVED? IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AYE AYE. OKAY. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU. SEVEN C WE'RE CONTINUING. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. BUT I WOULD APPRECIATE A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO THE NOVEMBER 13TH PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD MEETING TO CONTINUE THAT YOUR MOTION.
WE HAVE A MOTION FOR A SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE RE-ADVERTISED. CORRECT.
THAT WILL NOT BE NOTICED. IT WILL BE CONTINUED TO A TIME AND DATE CERTAIN.
SO SEVEN D IS OUR NEXT ITEM. IS THAT CORRECT?
[7.D) A Resolution Determining Petition 26-V11, Relating to a Variance Pursuant to Sections 46-37 and 56-54 of the Code of Ordinances, City of Naples, to Allow a New Pool Deck to Encroach Approximately Five Feet in Length, Two Feet in Height, and One Foot in Depth Into the Required Side Yard, Where a 7.5-Foot Minimum Side Yard is Required, Pursuant to Section 58-176 of the Code of Ordinances, City of Naples, for Property Within the R1-10 Residence District, Owned by Visdom Investments, LLC, a Florida Limited Liability Company, and Located at 1910 Kingfish Road, More Fully Described Herein; Providing for Scrivener’s Errors; Providing Findings and Conditions; and Providing an Effective Date. ]
SEVEN D IS A RESOLUTION DETERMINING PETITION.26-V11 RELATING TO A VARIANCE PURSUANT TO SECTIONS 46, 37 AND 5654 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.
PURSUANT TO SECTION 58-176 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.
CITY OF NAPLES FOR PROPERTY WITHIN THE R 110 RESIDENCE DISTRICT OWNED BY WISDOM INVESTMENTS LLC, A FLORIDA LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY AND LOCATED AT 1910 KINGFISH ROAD.
AND WE'LL SWEAR EVERYONE IN. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DISCLOSURES. NOTHING TO DISCLOSE.
NOTHING. NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. NOTHING TO DISCLOSE.
NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. OKAY. APPLICANT. WOULD YOU PLEASE DESCRIBE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO? FIRST OF ALL, I'M FALCONER JONES, PRESIDENT OF FALCON DESIGN CONSULTANTS.
1001 OR 1000 TAMIAMI TRAIL NORTH, SUITE 401. WHAT WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS SORT OF A PERFECT STORM OF ERRORS BOTH ON OUR SIDE AND THE CITY STAFF SIDE.
WE'VE READ THE STAFF REPORT, WE COMPLETELY AGREE WITH IT AND AGREE WITH THE CONDITIONS. MY DAD ALWAYS TOLD ME ONCE YOU GET A YES, STOP ASKING, BUT I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH IT REAL QUICKLY HERE JUST TO SHOW YOU KIND OF THE PROCESS OF WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY.
AND FORGIVE ME, I'M NOT GREAT ON THIS BOARD DOWN THERE.
OH IT'S DOWN. OKAY. THERE WE GO. THANK YOU. SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A SITUATION WHERE WE SUBMITTED BUILDING PERMIT PLANS OVER, YOU KNOW, OVER A YEAR AGO. AND ON THE PLANS, THIS POOL DECK IS SHOWN WHERE IT IS AS IT IS.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A. BEFORE I GET INTO THAT, LET ME JUST SAY I'VE BEEN DOING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IN THE CITY OF NAPLES AS FALCON DESIGNED SINCE 1998, AND I PERMITTED MY FIRST HOUSE IN 1988.
SO THIS HAS REALLY NEVER HAPPENED IN ALL THAT TIME.
I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT YOUR STAFF, BOTH THE PLANNING STAFF AND THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, DO A PHENOMENAL JOB TO THE POINT OF I MAY HAVE COMPLAINED 1 OR 2 TIMES THAT THEY'RE TOO STRICT. BUT I WILL TELL YOU, THIS IS THIS IS A RARITY AND THIS DOES NOT REFLECT POORLY ON, ON CITY STAFF AT ALL. SO THAT BEING SAID, WE SUBMITTED FOR PERMIT.
IT WAS ACCEPTED. WHEN WE AND YOU CAN SEE IN THE SLIDE, THERE'S A LITTLE SECTION HERE IN THE BLUE THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE SLICED OFF SORT OF AT AN ANGLE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENT, WHICH TO ME SEEMS LIKE THE SOLUTION IS WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM.
THAT'S THE CORNER THAT'S THAT'S IN IN THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
HERE'S THE APPROVED SPOT SURVEY WE TURNED IN.
YOU CAN SEE WITH THE RED THAT IT SHOWS THE SAME DIMENSION.
THIS WAS APPROVED. YOU KNOW, BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WAS AN ERROR.
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SO WE MADE AN ERROR. CITY MADE AN ERROR. IT'S A COMBINATION OF ERRORS.I'M NOT, I'M NOT I'M NOT TRYING TO AVOID TAKING RESPONSIBILITY.
THEN WE WE SUBMITTED THE FINAL SURVEY ON SEVEN, 726.
WE DID GET SOME COMMENTS ABOUT SOME MORE DIMENSIONS ON MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, WHICH WE, WHICH WE HAD RESURVEYED SHOWED THEM EVERYTHING WAS APPROVED, WENT BACK FOR THE FINAL SURVEY ON EIGHT, 12, 26.
AND THAT'S WHEN THIS ENCROACHMENT WAS, WAS NOTICED BY CITY STAFF AND WE WERE NOTIFIED.
PLUS I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S IT'S AVAILABLE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
I'VE LEARNED A FEW THINGS. SO THIS IS THE NON-COMPLYING SLIVER OF DEC TWO DIFFERENT.
YOU CAN SEE THE TWO DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS ON IT, BOTH FROM ABOVE AND FROM THE SIDE.
THERE'S ANOTHER VIEW OF IT JUST TO GIVE YOU, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA TO ME, CUTTING OUT ALL THAT STONE, THROWING IN THE DUMPSTER SAWING, SAWING THE CONCRETE, CREATING DUST, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY IS LANDSCAPED AT THIS POINT. IT'S BASICALLY BEING FURNISHED AT THIS POINT. SO IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE MORE IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORS.
THIS IS THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD DO IF WE WERE TO BE REQUIRED TO FIX IT.
IT'S JUST A SKETCH OF HOW WE WOULD CORRECT IT.
YOU CAN SEE IN THE, IN THE UPPER RIGHT, THE LITTLE SECTION OF DECK THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE REMOVED.
THERE WAS QUITE A FEW OF THEM. NO NEGATIVE COMMENTS.
I HAVEN'T HAD A FINAL COUNT. ONE NEIGHBOR, ONE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBOR WE COULD NOT REACH.
THEY ARE, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN IN TOWN. AND IT'S, IT'S TITLED IN A, IN A TRUST AND WE, WE TRIED, BUT WE JUST, WE COULD JUST NOT FIND FIND THAT PERSONS WE DON'T HAVE, WE DON'T HAVE APPROVAL OR A NEGATIVE. BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN THEY WERE HERE LAST SEASON. EVERYTHING WAS BEING BUILT AND THERE'S AS FAR AS I KNOW, THERE WAS NO NO COMMUNICATION WITH THE, WITH THE CONTRACTOR OR THE OWNER.
ONE SMALL SCRIVENER'S ERROR IN THE STAFF REPORT, IT NOTES THAT THE HOUSE IS 6600FT² UNDER AIR.
THAT'S THAT'S AN UNDER ROOF NUMBER. IT'S 40, 43, 23.
IT'S NOT IT'S NOT THAT SITUATION AT ALL. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'LL OPEN IT TO STAFF.
AND WE SUPPORT THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS WITH THE CONDITIONS. SO STAFF REPORT.
GOOD MORNING AGAIN. JEFF BRAMMER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THE PETITIONER IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE TO ALLOW A NEW POOL DECK TO ENCROACH INTO A REQUIRED SIDE YARD SETBACK. THE HOUSE IS LOCATED AT 1910 KINGFISH ROAD.
THIS IS IN THE ROYAL HARBOR NEIGHBORHOOD. THE HOUSE IS ZONED IN THE R1 TEN RESIDENCE DISTRICT.
AND SIDE SETBACKS IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT ARE 7.5FT.
BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE NEW HOUSE WAS ISSUED IN MARCH 2025.
AS YOU HEARD, THE ORIGINAL PLAN SHOWED THE DECK ENCROACHMENT AS IT EXISTS TODAY.
THE ENCROACHMENT IS ABOUT 15FT OR 15IN BY 60IN BY 25IN.
THERE ARE PHOTOGRAPHS IN THE SUBMITTAL PACKET, AND I INCLUDED A FEW IN THE STAFF REPORT TO TRY TO ILLUSTRATE EXACTLY WHAT WHAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH. THIS IS AN ISSUE BECAUSE PURSUANT TO CODE UNSCREENED AND UNROOFED DECKS WITH OR WITHOUT POOLS, ARE PERMITTED TO EXTEND INTO REQUIRED PRIMARY STRUCTURE, REAR YARDS AND SIDE YARDS, PROVIDED THAT THE DECKS MUST NOT EXCEED THE HEIGHT OF 30IN ABOVE CROWN OF ROAD, WITH AN ADDITIONAL SIX INCHES OF HEIGHT FOR EVERY 12IN OF HORIZONTAL DISTANCE FROM EITHER THE SIDE OR THE REAR PROPERTY LINES, WHICHEVER IS CLOSER UP TO A MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF THE MINIMUM MINIMUM FINISHED FLOOR OR SIX FEET ABOVE THE CROWN OF ROAD, WHICHEVER IS GREATER. BASICALLY, IT'S A LOT TO JUST SAY THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED TO ENCROACH UP TO A CERTAIN HEIGHT ABOVE ABOVE AVERAGE CROWN OF ROAD AND IT KIND OF STAIR STEPS IN FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
AND THERE'S THIS LITTLE KIND OF SLIVER OF THE DECK.
AND YOU CAN SEE WITH THE, THE PHOTOGRAPHS, THE ENCROACHMENT THAT IT'S CREATED.
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NEVERTHELESS, THE CITY APPROVED THE SUBMITTED PLANS AND PERMITS WERE ISSUED.GENERALLY, THE SPOT SURVEYS FOR THE POOLS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO PROVIDE ALL THE ELEVATION REFERENCES AS SPOT SURVEYS ARE GENERALLY FOR THE LOCATION OF THE POOL AND THE SHELL IN REGARDS TO SETBACKS, FINISHING WORK ON THE POOL AND THE COPING AND STUFF CAN CHANGE THE HEIGHTS THE FINISHED HEIGHT OF THE PRODUCT. SO THOSE ELEVATIONS AREN'T GENERALLY REQUIRED AT THAT TIME.
IN AUGUST, TWO MONTHS AGO, THE CITY FAILED THE FINAL SURVEY.
AT THE TIME, STAFF IDENTIFIED THE SMALL TRIANGLE AREA AS TOO TALL.
THE PETITION HAS BEEN NOTICED TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 1000FT.
TO DATE, STAFF HAS RECEIVED MULTIPLE LETTERS OF NO OBJECTION.
SOME OF THOSE ARE ATTACHED TO THE TO THE AGENDA PACKET.
OTHERS WERE DISTRIBUTED THIS MORNING TO YOU ON THE DAIS.
SOME OF THE CRITERIA ARE MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD THAN OTHERS. HOWEVER, THE GENERAL DETERMINATION OF STAFF WAS THAT THE PLIGHT OF THE APPLICANT WAS NOT DUE TO THEIR OWN ACTIONS. THOUGH DESIGNED IN ERROR, THE THE SAFEGUARDS BUILT INTO THE CITY REVIEW FAILED TO NOTICE AND REQUIRE THE NECESSARY CORRECTIONS BEFORE PERMITTING. AND FURTHERMORE.
FURTHERMORE, GIVEN THE CIRCUMSTANCES AND THE LIMITED NATURE OF THE ENCROACHMENT STAFF FINDS THAT CORRECTION AT THIS TIME IS IS PROBABLY UNNECESSARY AND UNREASONABLE. THAT SAID, SHOULD THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD WISH TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND THREE CONDITIONS BE INCLUDED.
THE POOL DECK SHALL ENCROACH NO MORE THAN APPROXIMATELY FIVE FEET IN LENGTH, TWO FEET IN HEIGHT AND ONE FOOT IN DEPTH INTO THE REQUIRED SIDE YARD, WHERE A MINIMUM 7.5FT IS REQUIRED FOR THE PROPERTY.
BASICALLY, IT'S ACCEPTING THE ENCROACHMENT AS IT IS NOW.
SHOULD THE EXIT NUMBER TWO, SHOULD THE EXISTING STRUCTURE BE DEMOLISHED? THE VARIANCE IS NO LONGER APPLICABLE AND A NEW AND ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION MUST BE BUILT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING REGULATIONS OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT IN EFFECT AT THAT TIME. SO IF IT GOES AWAY, IT'S KIND OF BACK TO SQUARE ONE WITH A COMPLIANT DESIGN, OR THEY'D HAVE TO ASK FOR A VARIANCE TO CONSTRUCT THE DECK BACK THE WAY IT IS TODAY. AND NUMBER THREE, THE PETITIONERS AND THEIR SUCCESSORS IN INTEREST SHALL ABIDE BY THE VARIANCE GRANTED VIA THIS PETITION AND ANY FURTHER ENCROACHMENT OR EXPANSION BEYOND THE THRESHOLD ESTABLISHED IN THIS VARIANCE SHALL REQUIRE A NEW VARIANCE PETITION.
THAT CONCLUDES OUR COMMENTS. WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.
QUESTIONS BY BOARD MEMBERS. JUST SO YOU KNOW THAT THE OWNER, MR. VISCO VINCE VISCO, IS HERE AS WELL. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM, HE'S HAPPY TO. THANK YOU.
IT'S REALLY MADE IT VERY EASY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE VARIANCE IS.
IT'S ONE THING TO READ IT, IT'S ANOTHER THING TO ACTUALLY SEE IT.
BUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE OLD SAYING, THE THE PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS.
THANK YOU. AND IF I COULD BUILD ON THOSE COMMENTS, THE STAFF REPORTS, LIKE USUAL, ARE EXCELLENT AND VERY HELPFUL TO ME. AND I'D LIKE YOU TO PASS ON OUR COMPLIMENTS TO MISS LEWIS AS WELL, BECAUSE THE THE STAFF REPORTS AGAIN, WERE TERRIFIC. AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. OKAY. OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
I'LL SECOND THAT WITH THE CONDITIONS. CONDITIONS.
CONDITIONS. YES. SORRY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT.
IS IT ALL RIGHT TO SAY I HAVE BEEN SAYING ANY OBJECTION? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY YAY! YÉ YÉ YÉ. OPPOSED? THANK YOU.
UNANIMOUS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SIR.
WE APPRECIATE IT. AND WE WERE GRATEFUL THE WAY YOU HANDLED THIS.
THANK YOU. 77EI WILL READ THE TITLE. AND THEN I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO
[7.E) An Ordinance Amending Section 52-61, Marine Turtle Protection Regulations, of Article III, Special and Endangered Species Protection, of Chapter 52, Resource Protection Standards, of the Code of Ordinances, City of Naples, Relating to Lighting Regulations for the Protection of Nesting and Hatchling Marine Turtles; Approving Text Amendment 26-T5; Providing for Codification; Conflicts; Severability; Correction of Scrivener's Error; Construction; Publication; and Providing an Effective Date. ]
A DIFFERENT GROUP. BUT 70 IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTION 52-61 MARINE TURTLE PROTECTION REGULATIONS OF ARTICLE THREE SPECIAL AND ENDANGERED SPECIES PROTECTION OF CHAPTER[00:45:01]
52 RESOURCE PROTECTION STANDARDS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES.APPROVING TEXT AMENDMENT 26-T5 PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION CONFLICTS, SEVERABILITY, CORRECTION OF SCRIVENER'S ERROR CONSTRUCTION PUBLICATION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. AND I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO KATIE LARKIN AND SARAH NORRIS OF THE NATURAL RESOURCES DIVISION, AS THEY HAVE WORKED ON THIS, AND THEY ACTUALLY AUTHORED THIS ORDINANCE.
SO WELCOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GETTING OUT OF HERE.
OKAY. GOOD MORNING. WOULD YOU INTRODUCE YOURSELF, PLEASE? SURE. KATY LAAKKONEN. NATURAL RESOURCES DIVISION.
AS MISS MARTIN STATED, THIS IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTION 52-61 MARINE TURTLE PROTECTION REGULATIONS RELATING TO LIGHTING REGULATIONS FOR THE PROTECTION OF NESTING AND HATCHLING MARINE TURTLES.
THIS WAS FIRST BROUGHT BEFORE CITY COUNCIL SEPTEMBER 22ND OF 2025, AND THEN AGAIN SEPTEMBER 14TH OF 2026. SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU HAS BEEN BROUGHT IN FRONT OF COUNCIL, AND WITH THAT, I WILL TURN THIS OVER TO SARAH NORRIS WITH NATURAL RESOURCES DIVISION, WHO WILL WALK YOU THROUGH THE PRIMARY UPDATES VIA THIS PRESENTATION.
SO WE'RE EXCITED TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT TURTLES THIS MORNING.
SO IT'S JUST THE DOWN ARROW. OKAY. SO LIKE KATIE STATED, THIS CONVERSATION STARTED ABOUT A YEAR AGO WHERE WE CAME BEFORE COUNCIL TO WITH ERIKA AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO TALK ABOUT LIGHTING AS A WHOLE CITYWIDE.
BUT SPECIFICALLY I SPOKE ON OUR TURTLE ORDINANCE.
AND SOME CHALLENGES WE'VE EXPERIENCED OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, ESPECIALLY AFTER HURRICANE IAN AND THE UNPRECEDENTED NUMBER OF DISORIENTATIONS THAT WE'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING. SO AGAIN, LIKE KATIE SAID, WE WERE DIRECTED AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY ON DRAFTING THOSE PROPOSED CHANGES. SO THAT'S WHAT WAS BROUGHT BEFORE COUNCIL LAST MONTH, BUT SINCE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME YOU'RE HEARING IT, I'M GOING TO KIND OF GET INTO WHAT WE DISCUSSED WITH COUNCIL LAST MONTH.
SO YOU CAN GET THE FULL PICTURE HERE. SO THERE'S A LOT OF WORDS HERE ON THIS SLIDE.
SO THIS KIND OF HELPS GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A BETTER PICTURE OF IT.
SO STARTING IN 2023, WE SAW A PRETTY BIG SPIKE.
AND IT'S NOT JUST US. I WANT TO TRY TO MAKE THAT CLEAR.
SO AND BECAUSE OF OUR NATURE OF THE CITY AND HOW DEVELOPED WE ARE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, IT'S EXPECTED THAT WE MAY HAVE MORE DISORIENTATIONS COMPARED TO OTHER AREAS IN THE COUNTY OR AROUND THE STATE.
SO 2024 IS A LITTLE BIT OF A. NOT NORMAL YEAR BECAUSE OF THE TROPICAL SYSTEMS THAT WE HAD THAT IMPACTED THE NEST. SO WE DIDN'T HAVE AS HIGH OF DISORIENTATION THAT SUMMER BECAUSE NOT HARDLY ANY OF THEM HATCHED OUT.
SO THIS YEAR WE ARE BASICALLY AT THE END OF SEASON.
SO WE HAVE 558 NESTS. OF THOSE, 441 HAVE HATCHED.
AND OF THE HATCHED 81 HAVE DISORIENTED, MEANING THAT THE HATCHLINGS HAVE GONE THE WRONG WAY.
THAT CAN BE, YOU KNOW, TOWARDS AN OBVIOUS LIGHT SOURCE OR WANDERING DOWN THE BEACH, 500 TO THOUSANDS OF FEET TOWARDS A LIGHT SOURCE THAT'S UNABLE TO BE DETERMINED BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY OPTIONS BEFORE THEY SAFELY MAKE IT TO THE WATER.
SO COMPARED TO THIS TIME LAST YEAR, WE ARE DOWN, WHICH IS GOOD.
WE HAVE A SIMILAR NUMBER OF HATCHED NESTS FROM THIS TIME LAST YEAR TO AND NOW.
BUT WE'RE STILL ACCOUNTING FOR ABOUT THE SAME PERCENTAGE OF DISORIENTATIONS COUNTY WIDE.
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SO WHAT ARE CAUSING THESE? AND I'LL GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON ON SOME OF THE SPECIFICS, BUT JUST SO YOU CAN KIND OF GET AN INTRODUCTION TO THE NON COMPLIANT LIGHTING THAT WE'RE BATTLING.SO THE FIRST, IS THIS THE MOUSE OR IS THIS THE MOUSE? YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO CLICK THE THE BIG ONE. OH, HERE WE GO.
SO THERE'S A LIGHT SOURCE MOUNTED ON THE GROUND WITH THE LIGHT POINTING UP ON TREES OR SHRUBS OR WHATEVER LANDSCAPING AND IN PEOPLE'S YARDS. IN THE TOP MIDDLE PHOTO, WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS GOING ON HERE.
AND IN ADDITION, YOU CAN SEE IN THE BACKGROUND AND THEN EVEN IN THE FOREFRONT, SOME INTERIOR LIGHTING GOING TO MORE OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME SCENARIO. WE CAN SEE HERE SOME WHITE VISIBLE BALCONY LIGHTING ON THE SECOND LEVEL OF THIS HOME.
I'LL JUST GO DOWN HERE TO THE BOTTOM MIDDLE. SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING AGAIN AS A RESULT OF ALL THESE HURRICANES IS JUST DIRECT LINES OF SIGHT INTO AREAS THAT WE NEVER HAD BEFORE. WHETHER THAT BE BECAUSE THE VEGETATION HAS BEEN GREATLY IMPACTED OR BUILDINGS ARE COMING DOWN THAT WE'RE BLOCKING LIGHTING IN AREAS THAT WERE NEVER AN ISSUE. SO THIS BOTTOM MIDDLE PHOTO HERE SHOWING, YOU KNOW, I'M STANDING ON THE BEACH LOOKING DIRECTLY INTO A PROPERTY'S PARKING LOT AND PARKING GARAGE AREA.
SO WE HAVE POLE LIGHTS THAT ARE VISIBLE AND THEN LIGHT BLEEDING OUT FROM THIS PARKING GARAGE.
SIMILARLY, ON THE BOTTOM LEFT, THESE ARE PARKING LIGHT FIXTURES THAT ARE ON THE EAST SIDE OF GORDON DRIVE THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM THE BEACH. AND THEN AGAIN, KIND OF PLAYING OFF THAT SAME THEME, WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF INTERIOR CONSTRUCTION LIGHTING. WE'RE STARTING TO SEE LESS OF THAT NOW THAT MORE PEOPLE HAVE RECOVERED.
AND WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF CALMER YEARS WHERE PEOPLE ARE ABLE TO GET BACK UP ON THEIR FEET.
I DON'T WANT TO JINX IT, BUT THAT THAT WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT.
SO THAT'S BEEN AN ONGOING STRUGGLE AS WELL. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING HERE IN THE CITY TO MITIGATE THIS? WE HAVE OUR SECTION 5261, WHICH IS TO PROTECT THE SEA TURTLES HERE ON OUR CITY BEACHES.
IT'S PRIMARILY FOCUSED ON ARTIFICIAL LIGHTING.
AND THEN THERE ARE SOME OTHER STIPULATIONS AS PART OF THE ORDINANCE WHEN IT COMES TO JUST GENERAL BEACH CONSTRUCTION AND DOING WORK ON THE BEACH AND HARASSMENT. SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE HERE. AND WHEN WE KIND OF GO TO THE BIGGER PICTURE OF THE STATE.
SO A LOT OF WHAT WE REVIEW FOR WHEN IT COMES TO PERMITTING IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT THE STATE DOES THROUGH THEIR COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE PROGRAM. SO THIS IS A STATE CODE WHERE THERE'S STIPULATIONS ON BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION.
THEY ALSO, THEY BEING THE STATE, HAVE A MODEL ORDINANCE.
SO THIS HAS EVOLVED OVER TIME, BUT THE LATEST ITERATION WAS PUT OUT IN 2020.
SO THIS PROVIDES GUIDELINES TO MUNICIPALITIES WHO ARE LOOKING TO UPDATE OR IMPROVE THEIR ORDINANCE.
THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, NOT JUST CREATED IN A VACUUM.
THIS WAS A LOT OF INPUT FROM DIFFERENT PARTIES, DIFFERENT PEOPLE, DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES CAME TOGETHER TO CREATE THIS MODEL ORDINANCE THAT WAS ESTABLISHED OR UPDATED RATHER IN 2020. SO THAT IS WHAT, AND IT'S NOT LAW IN TERMS OF LIKE, YOU MUST DO THIS AGAIN, THIS IS JUST GUIDELINES.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE WENT OFF OF WHEN WE WERE LOOKING TO UPDATE OUR PROPOSED LANGUAGE AND USE IT AS A JUMPING OFF POINT AND TAILORED IT TO MAKE SENSE FOR OUR CONDITIONS HERE IN THE CITY. ADDITIONALLY, THERE'S THE MARINE TURTLE PROTECTION ACT.
AND THIS EXPLICITLY PROTECTS THE ANIMALS AND THEIR HABITAT.
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SO THAT'S ANOTHER STATE REGULATION THAT HELPS PROTECT THESE ENDANGERED ANIMALS WE HAVE HERE IN FLORIDA.SO WHY DO WE WANT TO DO THIS? IT'S PRETTY OUTDATED.
IT'S FROM 1995. SO THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHANGES WHEN IT COMES TO DESIGN PREFERENCES AND TECHNOLOGY, AS WELL AS UPDATES AT THE STATE LEVEL THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BETTER CAPTURE.
SO WE HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE STATE REGULATIONS.
AND SO SOMETIMES IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT OR CAN BE DIFFICULT WHEN EXPLAINING TO FOLKS THAT WHY THEY HAVE TO ABIDE BY CERTAIN RULES WHEN IT'S NOT EXPLICITLY STATED IN OUR CODE, BUT IT'S PART OF THE STATE CODE.
SO THIS IS JUST TRYING TO MAKE MORE CLEAR WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING.
WE'RE IS OUR GOAL. SO THE TYPES OF LIGHT THAT WE ARE WANTING TO. TRY TO GET A HANDLE ON WHEN IT COMES TO PERMIT REVIEWS AND COMPLIANCE AND COMES IN THREE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
AND SOMETIMES LIGHTS CAN BE TWO OF THESE CATEGORIES OR THREE.
BUT I'LL GO ONE BY ONE AND THEN SHOW YOU SOME PHOTOS.
SO THE FIRST IS BEING DIRECTLY VISIBLE, MEANING YOU CAN SEE THE FIXTURE, THE LIGHT SOURCE ITSELF FROM THE BEACH, INDIRECTLY VISIBLE MEANS THERE'S A LIGHT BEING EMITTED SOMEWHERE, BUT MAYBE YOU CAN'T SEE THE FIXTURE, BUT THE LIGHT IT'S EMITTING IS VISIBLE FROM THE BEACH.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU CAN HAVE EITHER OR BOTH BEING DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY.
SO IT'S IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING OR CAN BE.
SO HERE ARE SOME PHOTOS WE HAVE. THIS EXAMPLE IS OF LIGHT SOURCES BEING DIRECTLY VISIBLE.
SO YOU CAN SEE THE FIXTURES ON THESE EXTERIOR BREEZEWAYS THAT ARE A WHITE LIGHT SOURCE.
AND THEN INDIRECTLY VISIBLE. WE HAVE A FEW DIFFERENT PHOTOS.
SO FIRST ON THE FAR LEFT WE HAVE A LIGHT SOURCE BEHIND THIS WALL OF A PARKING STRUCTURE CARPORT THAT IS EMITTING A LIGHT THAT IS NOT COMPLIANT, THAT'S VISIBLE FROM THE BEACH.
SIMILARLY HERE THIS IS A PARKING STRUCTURE WHERE THERE'S LOUVERS, BUT YOU CAN'T SEE THE LIGHT SOURCE, BUT THE LIGHT IS SPILLING OUT ONTO THE BEACH HERE.
AND THEN ANOTHER SCENARIO THAT WE OFTEN ENCOUNTER ARE LIGHT SOURCES THAT ARE MAYBE ACROSS THE STREET OR LANDWARD OF THE FIRST HOME THAT'S DIRECTLY ON THE BEACH THAT ARE PRODUCING LIGHTS OR EMITTING LIGHT THAT IS VISIBLE FROM THE BEACH. SO CUMULATIVELY IS A LITTLE BIT OF THAT ALL PUT TOGETHER.
I'LL START HERE. ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WE HAVE SOME LANDSCAPE UPLIGHTING WHERE WE CAN'T SEE THE SOURCE ITSELF, BUT CLEARLY THE LIGHT PALM TREES ARE BEING LIT UP BY THESE LIGHT SOURCES.
I PUT THIS ONE HERE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT BECAUSE THIS IS CAN BE A MYTH WE HAVE TO DEBUNK OF, WELL, IF I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IN ALL THESE SEA TURTLE FRIENDLY OR SEA TURTLE COMPLIANT LIGHT FIXTURES.
WHY CAN'T I JUST PUT IN AS MANY AS I WANT? SO YOU WHAT I SAY IS, YES, THOSE FIXTURES ARE GREAT.
AND THEY'RE RATED TO BE APPROVED FOR SEA TURTLE COMPLIANCE.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU NEED OR CAN HAVE A MILLION OF THEM.
WE DON'T WANT YOU TO BE A GLOWING ORB THAT CAN STILL DISTRACT THEM, SO THEY'RE LESS SENSITIVE TO THE WAVELENGTH OF THE AMBER LIGHT SOURCES THAT WE REQUIRE. BUT WHEN YOU STILL HAVE TOO MANY OF THEM, IT CAN STILL BE A PROBLEM.
OKAY, SO THESE ARE THE PRINCIPLES THAT WE UTILIZE WHEN WE'RE DOING PLAN, REVIEW, OR GIVING FEEDBACK TO RESIDENTS OR PROPERTIES THAT ARE LOOKING TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE, WHETHER THAT'S BECAUSE THEY'RE COMING IN FOR A PERMIT OR THEY'RE WANTING TO DO THE RIGHT THING, OR THEY HAVEN'T YET FILED, BUT ARE TRYING TO GET THEIR DUCKS IN A ROW AND DO THE RIGHT THING FROM THE GET GO AND NOT GET TOO FAR DOWN THE RABBIT HOLE TO BE LIKE, OH, GEEZ, WE HAVE TO COMPLETELY PIVOT NOW. WE'VE WASTED ALL THIS TIME.
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SO FIRST IS LONG WAVELENGTH. THIS GETS INTO A LITTLE BIT OF THE SCIENCE OF IT.SO THE LIGHT SOURCE, WHETHER THAT BE THE LIGHT BULB OR IF IT'S AN INTEGRATED FIXTURE, WHATEVER THAT IS, NEEDS TO PRODUCE A NANOMETER OUTPUT OF 560 OR GREATER.
SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE SPECTRUM OF LIGHT, YOU HAVE ALL THE COLORS OF THE RAINBOW.
WHEN YOU START PRODUCING 560 NANOMETERS, YOU'RE USUALLY IN THE RED ORANGES YELLOW RANGE.
AND WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING BELOW THAT, WHICH IS KIND OF THE BLUE AND THE PURPLES AND, AND, AND THAT, SO IT CAN GET A LITTLE CONFUSING AND ABSTRACT, BUT THAT'S THE GIST OF THAT REQUIREMENT THERE.
WE DON'T WANT THE LIGHT JUST BEING EMITTED INTO THE ETHER AND LOSING ITS FUNCTION.
INSTEAD OF SHINING STRAIGHT ONTO THE GROUND. THE NEXT IS FULL CUT OFF OR SHIELDED, BASICALLY MEANING THAT NO LIGHT IS BEING EMITTED ABOVE THE 90 DEGREE PLANE. SO AGAIN, KEEPING THAT LIGHT AIMED TOWARDS THE GROUND WHERE PEOPLE NEED IT TO BE ABLE TO SEE, TO WALK AND, AND BE SAFE ON THE EXTERIOR OF THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THEN LOW MOUNTED AND LOW WATTAGE. SO FIXTURES THAT ARE LOWER MOUNTED ARE MORE LIKELY TO ENSURE THAT THE LIGHT IS WHERE PEOPLE NEED TO SEE.
FOR, AGAIN, HUMAN HEALTH AND SAFETY. LOW WATTAGE.
YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE IT APPLICABLE AND NOT OVERPOWERED FOR WHAT THE USE OF THAT FIXTURE IS.
AND THESE ARE ALL THINGS WE REVIEW DURING THE PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS.
SO THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCES IN THE PROPOSED CHANGES VERSUS HOW IT'S WRITTEN.
THE ADDITION OF THE SEA TURTLE LIGHTING DISTRICT.
DEFINITIONS. WE CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE ANY DEFINITION.
AGAIN, THESE. THIS LAST BULLET WE'RE ALREADY DOING, BUT IT'S JUST BEEFING UP BASED ON WHAT WE'VE BEEN SEEING ON OUR BEACHES TO MAKE MORE CLEAR FOR PROPERTIES. SO THE SEA TURTLE LIGHTING DISTRICT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CREATED TO BASICALLY ENSURE REVIEW DURING THE PERMITTING PROCESS.
SO RIGHT NOW OUR REVIEWS ARE ONLY TRIGGERED IF PROPERTIES INTERSECT WITH OR ARE SEAWARD OF THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE. SO THERE ARE PROPERTIES EAST OF THAT LINE THAT HAVE DIRECT LINE OF SIGHT TO THE BEACH THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY SEE WHEN WE REVIEW. SO THE DOWNSIDE OF THAT IS, IS THEY BUILD THIS HOME OR STRUCTURE OR IMPROVEMENT TO A STRUCTURE. THEY FINISH UP AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY'RE IN VIOLATION AND THEY'RE GETTING CALLS FROM CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT THEY'VE GOT PROBLEMS WHEN THIS COULD HAVE BEEN MITIGATED DURING THE BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW PROCESS.
SO RIGHT NOW, AS OUR CODE IS WRITTEN, IF THERE'S LIGHTING ASSOCIATED WITH CONSTRUCTION OR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN 300FT OR ANY LIGHT SOURCES THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM THE BEACH, THEY MUST COMPLY.
SO THAT OR VISIBLE FROM THE BEACH ISN'T REALLY CAPTURED IN OUR REGULAR PROCESSING OF OF PERMITTING.
SO THIS WILL HELP CAPTURE THAT. AND WE'VE DESIGNED THIS DISTRICT TO ENCAPSULATE PROPERTIES THAT ARE, FROM OUR EXPERIENCE, VISIBLE FROM THE BEACH. AND MAYBE THEY WEREN'T NECESSARILY THAT IN 1995 WHEN THIS WAS WRITTEN, BUT THEY ARE NOW AS A RESULT OF CHANGING CONDITIONS.
AND MAYBE THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE CASE 20 YEARS FROM NOW.
AS VEGETATION COMES IN AND KNOCK ON WOOD, WE DON'T HAVE OVER AND OVER AGAIN HURRICANES.
BUT THIS IS HOW YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING NOW.
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AND THEN THROUGH THIS REVIEW PROCESS, OUR GOAL IS TO ASSESS EACH PROPERTY ONE BY ONE AND DETERMINE WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE BASED ON WHAT YOUR SCOPE OF WORK IS.WE WANT TO ENSURE PEOPLE ARE GETTING TO DO WHAT THEY WANT ON THEIR PROPERTY, AND JUST HAVE SOME GUARDRAILS ON CERTAIN THINGS, DEPENDING ON THEIR VISIBILITY FROM THE BEACH.
SO THIS SIDE HERE, IT'S VERY ZOOMED OUT AND HARD TO SEE.
SO I'M KIND OF BROKE IT DOWN GOING FROM THE NORTH AREA AND THE SOUTH AREA.
AGAIN, IT'S STILL A LITTLE ZOOMED OUT, BUT THE GOAL IS TO BASICALLY CAPTURE THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE PRIMARY ROAD THAT RUNS PARALLEL TO THE BEACH.
SO WHETHER THAT'S GULF SHORE BOULEVARD OR AS IT TRANSITIONS TO GORDON DRIVE, AND WE'VE HAD PLENTY OF INSTANCES IN BOTH AREAS THAT ARE EAST OF THE ROAD THAT HAVE BEEN PROBLEMATIC AND CAUSE DISORIENTATION.
SO THAT'S THE OTHER REASONING THAT WE'VE DRAWN, DREW THE LINE THIS WAY.
SO THE FIRST STIPULATION IS, ARE YOU SEAWARD OF THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE, WHICH IS THIS ORANGE LINE? IF YOU CAN KIND OF MAKE IT OUT HERE? AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE ALREADY CURRENTLY REVIEWING PROPERTIES BETWEEN THIS ORANGE LINE, THE KCL, AND ADJACENT TO GULF SHORE BOULEVARD NORTH AND SOUTH.
AND THEN THIS THIRD BULLET, I'LL HAVE A BETTER PHOTO HERE IN A SECOND, BASICALLY CAPTURING THE TRANSITION WHERE GULF SHORE BOULEVARD ENDS AND GOES INTO GORDON DRIVE, NAPLES CAY AND KEEWAYDIN ISLAND. SO HERE'S A ZOOMED IN AREA TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A BETTER SENSE OF WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING.
IN TERMS OF LIGHTING BEING VISIBLE, WHETHER DIRECTLY, INDIRECTLY OR CUMULATIVELY FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE ON THE EAST SIDE OF GULF SHORE BOULEVARD OR GORDON DRIVE. NOW THIS KCL LINE, IT JOGS BACK AND FORTH.
SO THERE'S AREAS WHERE IT ACTUALLY DOES CROSS OVER TO THE EAST SIDE OF GULF SHORE AND GORDON AND THAT'S AGAIN, THAT LINE IS DRAWN BY THE STATE AND IT'S BASED ON STORM MODELING.
SO THAT THERE'S A SCIENCE BEHIND HOW THAT LINE IS PRODUCED AS WELL.
SO HERE ON THE TOP RIGHT PHOTO, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE INDIRECT LIGHT AND CUMULATIVELY.
HOME THAT'S VISIBLE FROM THE BEACH. AND THIS IS EVEN WITH A STRUCTURE IN FRONT OF IT.
THIS IS LOOKING DOWN A BEACH. AND THESE TEND TO BE YOUR MORE EGREGIOUS AREAS.
NOT TO SAY THAT OUTSIDE OF BEACH END ACCESSES, THAT LIGHT ACROSS THE STREET CAN'T BE VISIBLE, BUT THIS HAS BEEN ONE OF OUR TOUGHEST AREAS. SO YOU HAVE DIRECT LINE OF SIGHT ALL THE WAY ACROSS THE STREET HERE, WITH ALL SORTS OF NON-COMPLIANT LIGHTING AND NOTHING SHIELDING IT, AND NOTHING REALLY WILL BE SHIELDING IT BECAUSE IT'S THE STREET ACCESS THERE.
SO THAT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER LAYER TO ALL OF THIS TOO, AND WHY WE WANT TO TAKE EACH PROPERTY ONE AT A TIME TO GIVE THEM THE BEST FEEDBACK WE CAN AND TRY TO WORK WITH PROPERTY OWNERS THE BEST WE CAN.
EXCUSE ME, MAY I INTERRUPT FOR A QUESTION, PLEASE? SURE. THERE'S TWO PURPLE LINES AND THE AND THE CCCL LINE.
YEAH. WHAT ARE THE TWO PURPLE LINES DESIGNATE? OH, THAT IS THE WHERE WE'VE DRAWN OUR SEA TURTLE LIGHTING DISTRICT.
SO THIS IS A MORE ZOOMED IN VERSION OF HOW WE'VE DRAWN IT HERE.
I DON'T THINK I CAN REALLY ZOOM IN. SO WE BASICALLY DREW IN AND SHADED IN PURPLE.
SO WHAT YOU'RE SEEING HERE IS A ZOOMED IN SNAPSHOT OF THOSE GREATER AERIAL IMAGERY.
AND WE DREW THAT LINE BASED ON THESE BOUNDARIES HERE OUTLINED THERE.
THANKS VERY MUCH. YEAH, NO THANK YOU. OKAY. SO, SO THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN EXPERIENCING AND WHY WE WANT TO PUSH THE BOUNDARY OF OUR REVIEWS BEYOND WHERE WE CURRENTLY DO IT NOW. AND THIS IS THAT TRANSITION.
WE TRIED OUR BEST TO WORD IT IN A WAY THAT MADE SENSE.
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ON THE CITY'S INTERACTIVE MAP. SO IT'S ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE LIVING IN A VACUUM AND ONLY WE KNOW WHERE THIS IS.
ANYBODY COULD GO ON AND SEE WHERE THEY ARE IN RELATION TO THIS.
AND, AND BE SEEN FOR THE PUBLIC. WE WANT TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE WHEN IT COMES TO THAT.
OKAY. SO INTERIOR LIGHTING CRITERIA, OUR CURRENT CODE DOESN'T EXPLICITLY ADDRESS THIS EVEN THOUGH IT'S HARMFUL TO SEA TURTLES. IT CAN BE LEFT UP A LITTLE BIT TO INTERPRETATION.
SO WE WANTED TO MAKE IT EXPLICITLY CLEAR BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN INTERIOR LIGHTING CAUSE DISORIENTATIONS.
SO THIS CAN COME IN IN MANY DIFFERENT FORMS AND CAN OCCUR FOR ALL SORTS OF REASONS.
WHETHER SOMEONE JUST LIKES HAVING ALL THEIR LIGHTS ON AT NIGHT OR IT'S AN ACCIDENT.
ACCIDENTS HAPPEN, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, I ACCIDENTALLY LEAVE LIGHTS ON, TOO.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE MORE MINDFUL AND HOLDING ACCOUNTABLE MAYBE ANYBODY WHO IS COMING IN AND OUT OF THEIR HOME WHEN THEY'RE NOT THERE, WHETHER THAT'S A CONSTRUCTION WORKER OR, YOU KNOW, STAFF OR CLEANING OR WHOMEVER.
IF YOU HAVE INTERIOR LIGHTING, THAT'S JUST BLASTING THROUGH LIKE THIS BOTTOM LEFT PHOTO HERE.
ALL THAT WORK YOU'VE DONE TO BE COMPLIANT IS BASICALLY NULL AND VOID AT THAT POINT, AND IT'S JUST NOT NECESSARY TO HAVE ON INSTANCES SPECIFICALLY DURING CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES, NO ONE'S WORKING.
THERE SHOULD BE NO REASON FOR HAVING THOSE LIGHTS ON.
SO, SO TO ENCOURAGE OR TO MITIGATE THAT, I SHOULD SAY, IN ADDITION TO TINTING SO WE HAVE A TINTING REQUIREMENT OF 45% OR LESS VISIBLE LIGHT TRANSMITTANCE. THAT'S WHAT OUR CURRENT CODE IS.
NOW THAT'S THE STATE REGULATION. BUT TO BE HONEST IT, IT DOESN'T ACT AS A BLACKOUT CURTAIN.
SO EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE IT, AND THEN THAT'S OFTEN AN INSTANCE AND TALK WE GET IS, WELL, I JUST SPENT ALL THIS MONEY ON TURTLE GLASS AND NOW YOU'RE TELLING ME I HAVE A PROBLEM. IT'S LIKE, I GET IT, BUT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
AND THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT WITHOUT REALLY HAMPERING MAKING THE TENT BE SO LOW THAT I'M SURE IT WOULD NOT BE WELL RECEIVED BY ANYBODY, IS TO KEEP IT AT THE 45.
AND THEN THE LAST SECTION THAT WE BEEFED UP IS THE NESTING HABITAT PROTECTION.
SO THINGS WE'VE COME ACROSS MORE FREQUENTLY OR IN, ESPECIALLY AFTER HURRICANES AND JUST IN GENERAL, MAYBE THINGS THAT WERE ALREADY GOING ON THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING TO MITIGATE IS BEACH EQUIPMENT.
SO WHETHER THAT'S LAWN YOU KNOW, PEOPLE'S BEACH CHAIRS OR LOTS OF BEACH FURNITURE FOR A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT'S GETTING STORED EITHER ON THE BEACH OVERNIGHT. WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE INSTANCES WHERE TURTLES, HATCHLINGS, OR THE NESTING FEMALES COME UP AND ARE HITTING THOSE TYPES OF FURNITURE PIECES, WHETHER THAT'S STORAGE BINS OR CHAIRS THEMSELVES, AND CAN CAUSE THEM TO GET CONFUSED OR GO THE WRONG WAY OR ABANDON NESTING COMPLETELY. AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS, IT HAS TO GET REPORTED TO THE STATE.
SO IT'S LIKE, OH, TURTLE CAME UP ON THE CITY BEACHES, IT RAN INTO THIS THING AND NOW IT WENT BACK.
SO THAT'S NOT GOOD. AND WE WANT TO AVOID THAT.
IN ADDITION, IF AND WHEN PEOPLE ARE PUTTING OUT BEACH FURNITURE DURING THE DAYTIME, ALL FOR IT.
EVERYONE LIKES TO SIT ON A CHAIR. WE DON'T WANT TO STOP THAT.
WE WANT WE DON'T WANT IS THAT BEING STORED IN THE DUNE? SO THAT'S NEGATIVELY IMPACTING THEIR HABITAT.
THAT GOES AGAINST OTHER CITY CODES THAT WE HAVE WITHIN OUR NATURAL RESOURCES DIVISION.
SO MAKING IT CLEAR YOU CAN'T DO THAT. THE OTHER THING WE'RE STARTING TO SEE MORE, OR AT LEAST I'VE BEEN SEEING MORE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE ARE SPECIAL EVENTS, WHICH MAKES SENSE BECAUSE WHO DOESN'T WANT TO COME HERE AND DO SOMETHING ON THE BEACH? SO JUST PUTTING IN A STIPULATION THAT YOU MAY BE REQUIRED TO HAVE EXTRA PROTECTIONS OR RESTRICTIONS, DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF YEAR.
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THE DUNE HABITAT AS WELL. SO WHEN IF IT'S NOT TURTLE SEASON, WE'RE A LITTLE BIT MORE RELAXED ABOUT WHAT WE'RE WHAT ALLOW PEOPLE TO DO.BUT IT MAY ALSO REQUIRE FURTHER STATE PERMITTING.
SO IT'S JUST ENSURING EVERYBODY'S FOLLOWING THE RULES AS NEEDED.
AND THEN THE LAST COUPLE GO HAND IN HAND CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES AND IRRIGATION.
WE'VE SEEN AN INFLUX OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF ACTIVITIES BEING REQUESTED.
MOST OF THEM LATELY HAVE BEEN SEAWALLS. SO THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIND A WAY TO SAFELY CONSTRUCT THEIR SEAWALL OR DO WHATEVER SORT OF BEACH ACTIVITY DURING THE NESTING SEASON.
BUT WE JUST PUT STIPULATIONS ON THAT AND FOLLOW THE STATE GUIDELINES AND REGULATIONS AS WELL.
AGAIN, WANTING TO WORK WITH PROPERTY OWNERS TO BE ABLE TO IMPROVE THEIR PROPERTIES AS THEY WANT WHATEVER TIME OF YEAR, DEPENDING ON THE SCOPE, AS MUCH AS WE CAN ALLOW FOR.
AND THEN IRRIGATION IN THE DUNE SYSTEM. AGAIN, SEEING MORE OF THIS AND HOPEFULLY THIS WILL TAPER DOWN POST HURRICANE OF PEOPLE JUST WANTING TO GET THEIR DUNE PLANTS ESTABLISHED, WHICH WE DO TOO, BUT WE NEED TO NOT ALLOW FOR TEMPORARY IRRIGATION BECAUSE IT WILL WE DON'T WANT A WATER NESS BY ACCIDENT.
AND THAT'S ALSO FOLLOWING STATE GUIDELINES AS WELL.
SO WE'RE ALWAYS WORKING TO EDUCATE PEOPLE. AND THIS HAS DONE A LOT THROUGH JUST TRYING TO BE PROACTIVE YEAR TO YEAR AND THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER AND EVEN IN THE OFF SEASON.
AND, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN A BIG LEARNING CURVE FOR A LOT OF FOLKS BECAUSE MAYBE THEY WEREN'T UNDERGOING SUCH EXTREME RENOVATIONS BECAUSE THEIR PROPERTY HAD EXISTED FOR SO LONG, SO THEY NEVER REALLY HAD TO KNOW WHAT THE RULES WERE.
BUT BECAUSE OF STORM DAMAGE, WE'RE HAVING TO GET FOLKS REACQUAINTED WITH THIS SECTION OF THE CODE, SOMETHING THAT WE DID THIS YEAR. THANKS TO MONIQUE AND ALEXIS AND COMMUNICATIONS WAS DESIGNED THIS MAILER.
SO THEY HAD KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERTISE IN HOW TO ACHIEVE THIS.
SO BASICALLY EVERYBODY ALONG THE MAIL ROUTE ON OR NEAR THE BEACH RECEIVED THIS.
SO WE FELT PRETTY GOOD THAT WE DID OUR BEST TO GET THIS IN THE HANDS OF EVERYBODY, THAT IT MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL TO COMPARED TO PAST TACTICS OF MAILING IN HOUSE, CREATING MAILER STUFFING ENVELOPES AND SENDING THEM OUT AND THEN GETTING A LOT OF RETURNS FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER.
SO THIS WAY WE KNEW THAT IT GOT THERE. AND WE'RE ALWAYS AGAIN SPREADING THE WORD WHEN WE CAN, WHETHER THAT CITY SPONSORED EVENTS OR OTHER EVENTS THAT WE ATTEND TO DO, JUST PASSIVE OUTREACH AT DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES.
I'LL ALSO PLUG HERE, YOU KNOW, THIS WAS YOU KNOW, AGAIN, TAILORED FROM THE MODEL ORDINANCE AND REVIEWED BY OTHER ENTITIES. AND WE DID RECEIVE FEEDBACK FROM OUR NEIGHBORING PARTNERS.
SO THE CONSERVANCY AS WELL AS THE SEA TURTLE CONSERVANCY, WHICH IS A HIGHLY NATIONALLY KNOWN ORGANIZATION THAT HAS BEEN AT THE FOREFRONT OF SEA TURTLE CONSERVATION. AND THEY ARE FULLY SUPPORTING THIS ORDINANCE AS IT'S WRITTEN AS WELL.
AND SO IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE CREATED SOMETHING THAT HAS THEIR STAMP OF APPROVAL BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG DEAL AND A BIG HONOR TO, TO HAVE THAT FROM THEM. AND I CAN KEEP TALKING, BUT WE'LL ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS NOW THAT YOU HAVE.
THANK YOU. THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT REPORT. YES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GREAT PRESENTATION. I WATCHED YOUR PRESENTATION TO THE COUNCIL AND THE DISCUSSION AND ALSO THE COMMENT FROM THE CONSERVANCY CONSERVANCY. FIRSTLY A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. 441 NESTS, 81 DISORIENTATED.
I'M ASSUMING THAT'S THE WHOLENESS WAS DISORIENTATED.
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CAN BE THE WHOLE NEST. AND I CAN DOUBLE CHECK WITH THE COUNTY, BUT FROM THE CONVERSATIONS WE'VE HAD, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, IT'S THE ENTIRE NEST. SO APPROXIMATELY 80 TO 120 HATCHLINGS GOING THE WRONG WAY.SO THAT'S ABOUT THE NUMBER OF EGGS THAT ARE IN A NEST.
NOT NECESSARILY ALL OF THOSE HATCH, BUT THAT THAT'S KIND OF THE GENERAL BALLPARK.
OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A GREAT INITIATIVE.
DESPITE, AS YOU SAY, THAT NESTING SEEMS TO BE INCREASING, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, DISORIENTATION IS INCREASING AT A FAR FASTER, FASTER LEVEL. YOU KNOW OUT OF INTEREST, I HEARD THE CONSERVANCY ASK YOU WHY YOU'D REMOVED THE LIGHTS OUT CRITERIA FROM THE PREVIOUS ONE. TO ME, IT SEEMS A GREAT IDEA.
I DID CHANGE THAT. SO THAT WAS THE ONLY. I'M SORRY.
I SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT BEFORE. SO IN THE PACKAGE YOU RECEIVED THAT WOULD BE IN SECTION OF THE EXISTING SECTION WHERE WE, WE ADDED PROPERTY OWNERS SHALL REDUCE OR ELIMINATE NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF EXISTING ARTIFICIAL LIGHTING AT NIGHT TIME.
AND WE HAVE NIGHTTIME AS ONE OF OUR DEFINITIONS THAT IS SPELLED OUT AS THE LOCALLY EFFECTIVE PERIOD BETWEEN SUNSET AND SUNRISE. SO KIND OF CAPTURE MORE SO THIS TIME OF YEAR AS WE'RE GETTING SHORTER DAYS AND THE SUN SETTING EARLIER TO, TO CAPTURE THAT TIME FRAME COMPARED TO 9 P.M..
SO THE PROBLEM WAS 9 P.M. AND NOW IT'S GOING TO BE SUNSET.
YES. OR. OKAY. THANK YOU. CAN YOU TELL ME ABOUT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO ENFORCE THIS? BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE RULES, REGULATIONS, BUT OBVIOUSLY IF THEY ARE UNENFORCEABLE OR THE COST OF ENFORCEMENT IS TOO HIGH AND THEY DON'T GET ENFORCED. I'M CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. OH, I'VE WILL USE THIS QUESTION TO TALK ABOUT OUR POWERHOUSE OF OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT TEAM.
SO THEY PATROL ONCE A WEEK TO FOR COMPLIANCE.
AND THAT WOULD BE WITHIN THE SEA TURTLE LIGHTING DISTRICT THAT WE HAVE OUTLINED HERE.
SO ALTHOUGH WE DON'T, WE AS A NATURAL RESOURCES STAFF REVIEW FOR ALL THOSE AT THE MOMENT, THEY ARE REQUIRING COMPLIANCE FROM THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE MAYBE BEING MISSED IN THE PERMIT PROCESS. I AM VERY PROUD THAT WE HAVE THE STAFF TO DO THAT.
A LOT OF OTHER PLACES EVEN WITHIN OUR GENERAL VICINITY ARE UNABLE TO PATROL THAT OFTEN AND ACHIEVE, YOU KNOW, COMPLIANCE TO BEST OF THEIR ABILITY.
SOME, SOME AREAS ONLY GO ONCE A MONTH. AND YOU KNOW, A LOT CAN HAPPEN IN A MONTH IN BETWEEN.
SO THEY'RE ABLE TO GO ONCE A WEEK. AND, AND WE'VE ALSO RELIED ON RESIDENTS.
SO THEN THEY SOMEONE, WHETHER IT WAS A PROPERTY MANAGER OR A RESIDENT, WERE GOING OUT AND BEING LIKE, OKAY, THIS UNIT HERE OR THIS PLACE HERE AND GOING AND CALLING AND SAY, YOU NEED TO MITIGATE THIS.
AND, AND WE'VE RECEIVED I THINK COMPLIANCE EVEN THAT WAY AS WELL.
WELL, I CERTAINLY WOULD ADMIT THAT ONCE A WEEK IS BETTER THAN ONCE A MONTH. YES.
BUT AND SARAH WILL ALSO GO OUT WITH NEW CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO HELP THEM KIND OF CALIBRATE THEMSELVES AS TO WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR WHAT MIGHT BE AN ISSUE AND HELP KIND OF IF THERE'S A LOT SHINING ON THE BEACH, KIND OF HELP TRIAGE THE WORST TO TARGET FIRST.
AND SO THAT, THAT ALSO HELPS WITH THAT ENFORCEMENT.
SO THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD CATCH THE SORT OF PERMANENT ISSUES.
IF THEY DON'T, IF THAT HAPPENS TO BE WHEN THE DAY OF THE WEEK THAT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT GUYS AREN'T MAKING THEIR PATROLS, WELL, THEY'LL RESERVE RECORD ANYTHING THAT THEY SEE.
BUT YES, BECAUSE LIGHTING CAN BE FINICKY IN THE SENSE THAT IT CAN BE ON AND OFF WITH A SWITCH.
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IT'S NOT ON. SO THERE'S CERTAINLY ROOM FOR THOSE TYPES OF SCENARIOS.BUT WE CAN'T BE OUT THERE EVERY NIGHT. BUT WE'RE, PRETTY HAPPY WITH THE ONCE A WEEK.
I LOOKED AT YOUR PROPOSITION AGAINST MIAMI BEACH, BROWARD COUNTY AND PALM BEACH, WHICH I THINK IS FAIR TO SAY ARE PROBABLY VERY SIMILAR TO US, ALTHOUGH OBVIOUSLY GULF AND ATLANTIC BEACHES AS WELL.
BROADLY SIMILAR. I WOULD, I WOULD SAY, BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT WHAT YOU'RE PROPOSING SEEMS TO BE MORE CATCH OR CATCH ALL THAN THESE OTHER, THESE OTHER THREE.
I'M JUST, I WORRY THAT WE MAY BE CREATING SOME OVERREACH HERE.
AND PLEASE DON'T GET ME WRONG, I'M VERY, VERY IN FAVOR OF THIS.
I'VE EVEN GOT SEA TURTLES ON MY NUMBER PLATE ON MY CAR.
ME TOO. AS YOU GUYS CALL THEM. BUT SO I'M, I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW WE WOULD ENFORCE THIS AND WHETHER WE'RE CREATING OVERREACH, AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT.
I. I UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITION. THOSE AREAS ARE INTERESTING AND I CAN SEND THIS REALLY GREAT RESOURCE AND, AND LINK TO ERIKA TO DISTRIBUTE WHERE IT HAS A REALLY GOOD BREAKDOWN OF AND THIS WAS WORK DONE BY UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA WHERE THEY ACTUALLY DATA MINED ALL THE TURTLE ORDINANCES ACROSS THE STATE A FEW YEARS AGO AND PUT IT INTO ONE SPOT AND RATED THEM. SO FOR THOSE ORDINANCES THAT YOU REFERENCED, THEY'RE ACTUALLY PRETTY OUTDATED AS WELL.
SO SOME OF THOSE WERE CREATED EVEN PRIOR TO OURS.
AND ONE OF THEM, MIAMI BEACH, WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2006.
OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. OTHER COMMENTS.
QUESTIONS. OH THANK YOU. HOW WHEN WHEN A DISORIENTATION DOESN'T HAPPEN, A TURTLE HATCHLING SEEMS TO KNOW TO GO TOWARDS THE SEA INSTINCTIVELY.
YES. MY QUESTION IS A COUPLE OF TIMES A MONTH, ESPECIALLY THIS TIME OF YEAR WHEN YOU HAVE A FULL MOON OVER THE SEA, WHY IS THE MOON NOT ALSO DISTRACTING? OR ARE THESE LIGHTS COMPETING WITH THE MOON? AND THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO KNOW TO GO TOWARD THE MOONLIGHT? RIGHT. CAN YOU EXPLAIN LIKE WHAT HAPPENS UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES? SURE. YEAH. I PROBABLY GLOSSED OVER THE, THE NATURAL IN A PERFECT WORLD SCENARIO AND JUST WENT STRAIGHT TO, TO THE PROBLEMATIC SCENARIO.
SO NATURALLY, THE SEA TURTLES WOULD USE INCENSE, THE BRIGHTEST HORIZON.
SO THAT SHOULD BE THE WATER THAT IS EITHER LIT UP BY THE STARS OR THE MOON.
AND YOU KNOW, THE MOON CAN RISE AT DIFFERENT TIMES OF THE EVENING AS WELL.
BUT THE HOPE IS REGARDLESS OF WHERE IT IS, IT SHOULD BE LIGHTING UP THE WATER.
SO THAT'S WHERE THEY SHOULD NATURALLY BE DRAWN TO.
AND SO THE WHITE LIGHTS CONFUSE THEM BECAUSE THEY OUTCOMPETE THAT NATURAL CIRCUMSTANCE.
AND THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ATTRACTED TO THE WHITE LIGHTS.
I, I'M CURIOUS HOW THE LIGHTING DISTRICT WAS ACTUALLY CREATED.
AND PART OF MY QUESTION WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, FROM A LOGICAL PERSPECTIVE, IF I CAN'T SEE THE BEACH, HOW CAN THE BEACH SEE ME? AND IT'S AND I'M JUST SO I LIVE DOWN.
YOU CAN'T SEE THE BEACH THE ENTIRE WAY. SO IT'S LIKE, HOW, HOW? AND THOSE ARE HUGE LOTS. SO HOW CAN WE POSSIBLY POTENTIALLY BE ACROSS THE STREET IN THE LIGHTING DISTRICT? YEAH. SO THAT KIND OF GOES BACK A LONG WAY TO LET'S KEEP GOING. I'LL, I'LL STOP ON THIS TOP RIGHT PHOTO HERE.
SO THIS, YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THE HOME ITSELF. AND SO I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU.
BUT THE LIGHTING YOU MAY HAVE NOT YOU, BUT HYPOTHETICALLY HAVE ON THE OUTSIDE OF YOUR HOME MAY BE EMITTING LIGHT THAT'S BLEEDING OUT WHERE THAT, THAT IS THEN VISIBLE. AND THIS TOP RIGHT PHOTO IS AN EXAMPLE OF THAT WHERE IT'S CREATING THAT LIGHT.
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SO THE GOAL WITH THIS DISTRICT IS TO, AGAIN, WE WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE.AND SO HAVING THAT REVIEW OF ENSURING THE FIXTURE IS SHIELDED AND DOWNWARD DIRECTED AND NOT BEING EMITTED AND BLEEDING OUT, IF YOU WILL, INTO THOSE LINES OF SIGHT WILL BE ABLE TO ALLOW COMPLIANCE FOR THAT PROPERTY ON THE REVIEW PROCESS.
SO WE, OUR GOAL IS TO SAY, OKAY SO AND SO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF GORDON, YOU'RE IN THE DISTRICT, YOU'RE PULLING A PERMIT. LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND SEE WHAT THRESHOLD YOU'RE TRIPPING THAT MAY REQUIRE YOU TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
SO IT'S JUST HAVING THAT CONVERSATION ON THE FRONT END INSTEAD OF IT GETTING DONE.
AND THEN THEY GET A CALL FROM CODE COMPLIANCE.
AND THIS IS TO TRY TO ADDRESS SOME RECENT ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD WHERE LIGHTS ON THE EAST SIDE OF GULF SHORE BOULEVARD OR GORDON DRIVE HAVE BEEN PROBLEMATIC, BUT IT WASN'T FLAGGED FOR OUR REVIEW BECAUSE THEY WERE ON THE EAST SIDE.
SO SO WE DIDN'T WANT TO GO TOO FAR TO THE EAST WITH THIS DISTRICT BECAUSE, I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, INCLUDE THE WHOLE CITY AND CREATE THIS BURDENSOME REVIEW PROCESS THAT ISN'T POSSIBLE.
BUT WE DO KNOW FROM REAL LIFE EXAMPLES THAT THERE ARE MANY HOMES THAT WE'VE SEEN ON THE EAST SIDE OF GULF SHORE THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUES. AND THEN ONCE THEY'RE BUILT AND HERE WE ARE AFTER THE FACT AND THEY'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE.
THEN THEY COME TO US AND SAY, WELL, WHY? WHY DIDN'T WE KNOW ABOUT THESE RESTRICTIONS OR LIGHTING REGULATIONS IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS? SO WE'RE HOPING THAT THIS DISTRICT WILL HELP ADDRESS SOME OF THESE ISSUES SO THAT PEOPLE AREN'T KIND OF DUMBFOUNDED AFTER THE FACT AS TO WHY THESE THESE NONCOMPLIANCE ISSUES ARE OCCURRING. SO THE CODE IS WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T ASSUME YOUR PROPERTY IS POTENTIALLY GOING TO BE AN ISSUE. IT JUST MEANS IT HAS THE POTENTIAL OF BEING REVIEWED.
AND I'LL JUST USE AN EXTREME. IT'S LIKE, I GUARANTEE YOU, A LOT OF THIS AREA THAT'S BEING DESCRIBED, I COULD PUT A FLOOD LIGHT AND POINT IT TOWARDS THE THE BEACH AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SEEN.
IT MAY NOT BE SEEN DIRECTLY, BUT CUMULATIVELY IT COULD.
AND SO ONE EXAMPLE, WHEN WE COMPARE NOTES WITH OUR PARTNERS TO THE NORTH, LIKE FORT MYERS BEACH OR SANIBEL, SANIBEL COULD HAVE. I MEAN, IT'S VERY RESTRICTIVE.
SO FOLLOW ON QUESTION FROM A PROPERTY OWNER'S PERSPECTIVE.
WHAT THIS ORDINANCE WILL DO WILL PREVENT NONCOMPLIANCE IN THE FUTURE WHEN HOUSES ARE BUILT.
BUT FOR HOUSES THAT ARE ALREADY THERE ARE, IS THERE GOING TO BE GRANDFATHERED FOR THE LIGHTING FIXTURES THAT'S ALREADY THERE? OR DOES EVERYONE HAVE TO CHANGE OUT THEIR LIGHT FIXTURES? THE, THE FIRST PART. SO, SO IN OUR PROPOSED LANGUAGE OF THE EXTERIOR OR EXISTING PORTION IS VERY SIMILAR TO HOW OUR CODE IS WRITTEN. NOW THERE'S A COUPLE OF JUST EXPANSIONS ON WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING.
SO YOU EFFECTIVELY NEED TO BE COMPLIANT DURING THE NESTING SEASON.
AND WE FELT THAT THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT OVERREACHING OR MAKING IT BURDENSOME FOR RESIDENTS AND OURSELVES TO THEN PUT A STAMP ON BY THIS DATE IN THE FUTURE.
SO THE GOAL IS TO KEEP IT SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW.
SO WHETHER YOU HAVE TO MODIFY YOUR FIXTURE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT'S REPOSITIONING IT OR CHANGING OUT THE LIGHT BULB OR JUST TURNING IT OFF, IF IT'S NOT NECESSARY, THEN THEN THAT'S WHAT'S EXPECTED OF YOU AND THEN MITIGATING THE INTERIOR LIGHTING.
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ON, EVERYTHING WOULD BE EXISTING. SO THAT IF A HOME THAT WAS BUILT A COUPLE YEARS AGO COMES IN FOR A PERMIT FIVE YEARS FROM NOW, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BRING THAT UP. SO THAT'S HOW WE WOULD HANDLE THOSE EXISTING LIGHTS IN THAT MANNER OF MAKING THEM CHANGE.IT WOULD ONLY BE THROUGH A BUILDING PERMIT. WHAT'S THE END OF MAY? FIRST IS THE BEGINNING OF GENERAL NESTING SEASON.
WHAT'S THE END OF IT GENERALLY OCTOBER 31ST. SO WE'RE ABOUT SIX MONTHS, SO SIX MONTHS WINDOW.
IT'S A PRETTY BIG WINDOW. AND WE DID PUT A LITTLE BIT OF OF A, I DON'T WANT TO SAY I DON'T KNOW IF CAVEATS THE RIGHT WORD. SO IN THE DEFINITION OF NESTING SEASON NUMBER 18, IN THE DEFINITIONS, WE DEFINE IT BEING BETWEEN MAY 1ST AND OCTOBER 31ST, OR AS DETERMINED BY STATE REQUIREMENTS.
BECAUSE. AS THINGS ARE CHANGING AND CLIMATE CHANGE IS HAPPENING, THERE'S AREAS THAT TURTLES ARE NESTING EARLIER. SO IF THE STATE EVER DID REQUIRE SEA TURTLE PERMIT HOLDERS TO START SERVING SOONER, AND THAT WOULD BE THE OFFICIAL NESTING SEASON, WE WANTED TO CAPTURE THAT IN THE CODE.
YES. SORRY. I HAVE A COUPLE OF FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS.
SO THE CODE RELATES TO THE NESTING SEASON AS STIPULATED AT THE TIME FOR EXISTING.
SO THE THING, THE THING THAT OBVIOUSLY I REALIZED, I'M SURE WE ALL REALIZE IS MAY, MAY 1ST, OCTOBER 31ST. THAT IS ESSENTIALLY THE SUMMER SEASON WHEN OUR POPULATION SHRINKS BY FOURFOLD OR WHATEVER.
AND SO THE MAJORITY OF FOLKS WHO ARE HERE FROM, SAY, THANKSGIVING TO EASTER, TURN OFF THEIR LIGHTS, LOCK THEIR DOORS, GO BACK UP TO MASSACHUSETTS OR TORONTO OR WHEREVER WILL BE IMPACTED BY SOMETHING THAT THEY WON'T ACTUALLY BE IMPACTING, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO COULD CONSIDERATION BE GIVEN THAT IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO HAVE A NICE BEACHFRONT HOUSE COME DOWN HERE FOR THE FIRST THREE MONTHS OF THE YEAR, THEY CAN HAVE THEIR LIGHTS ON, IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT ANYBODY APART FROM THE COST AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT.
YEAH. SO COMPLIANCE OUR CODE OFFICERS ONLY GO OUT IN THE NESTING SEASON.
SO WHAT IS LEFT ON OR WHAT HAVE YOU. WHATEVER CAPACITY OUTSIDE OF SEASON ISN'T NECESSARILY LOOKED AT AFTER TURTLE SEASON. BUT WHAT I WILL SAY THAT DOESN'T MEAN THERE'S THE LEEWAY TO CHANGE THE LIGHTS OTHERWISE.
SO YOU'RE HELD TO THAT STANDARD WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR BUILDING PERMIT.
AND, AND I RELATE THIS BACK TO OTHER BUILDING CODES, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T BE COMPLIANT TO PASS YOUR INSPECTION AND GET YOUR PROPERTY CODE AND THEN DECIDE YOU WANT TO UNDO SOME SORT OF ELECTRICAL THING OR PLUMBING THING TO THEN BE OUT OF COMPLIANCE.
SO THIS IS A REALLY NICHE AREA OF THE CODE THAT ISN'T CAN BE A MOVING TARGET.
BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE LIGHTING, WE DO NOT ALLOW FOR WHAT'S CALLED A DUAL LIGHTING SYSTEM WHERE YOU COULD HAVE TURTLE LIGHTS IN THE SUMMER AND THEN WHITE LIGHTS IN THE WINTER BECAUSE IT'S JUST NOT THE TECHNOLOGY IS NOT THERE.
IT'S NOT ALLOWED FOR BY THE STATE. SO ONCE YOU HAVE YOUR TURTLE COMPLIANT EXTERIOR LIGHTING INSTALLED AND SIGNED OFF ON, THAT'S WHAT IT HAS TO BE YEAR ROUND. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PAIR ACTUALLY CAME ACROSS THE SAME ISSUE.
I BELIEVE THEY WANTED TO HAVE THE WHAT IS IT, 516 NANO LIGHTING DURING THE NESTING SEASON AND THEN BRIGHTER LIGHTS DURING THE THE NON SEASON THEY GOT TURNED DOWN. I GOT, IF I MAY, JUST ONE FURTHER QUESTION FOR YOU.
IS THERE A LEVEL OF SUB 160 NANOMETER THAT'S ACCEPTABLE IN TERMS OF BRIGHTNESS? SO IF SOMEONE HAD, SAY, A CANDLE, WOULD THAT STILL BE DISTURBING? BECAUSE YOU, YOU MENTIONED THE GLOW FROM FORT MYERS AFFECTING SANIBEL BEACH TURTLES.
SO I ASSUME IT'S PRETTY THEY'RE PRETTY SENSITIVE TO LIGHT.
THEY ARE. SO IT HAS TO BE THE FIVE, 60 OR GREATER.
AND THAT'S BEEN DETERMINED AT THE STATE. IT'S NOT THAT IT'S IT'S MORE LIKE, WHAT IS THE TURTLE'S SENSITIVITY TO WHITE LIGHT? I GUESS IF THEY'RE LOOKING AT STARS, IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY SENSITIVE.
IF. WELL, YEAH. SO THE TURTLES AND ESPECIALLY THE HATCHLINGS ARE MORE SENSITIVE TO.
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AND AGAIN ACROSS THE BOARD, I DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT SOUND LIKE WE'RE LIKE THE WORST OF THE WORST HERE, BUT WE JUST WANT TO ALSO BE THE BEST OF THE BEST.SO THE FEMALES CAN BE SENSITIVE AND THEY'LL WANDER FOR THOUSANDS OF FEET AS WELL.
SO AGAIN, THE STARS SHOULD BE LIGHTING UP OR ILLUMINATING THE WATER, WHICH IS THEIR NATURAL CUE TO, TO GO THE CORRECT DIRECTION. THAT BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT THAT WE, WE FOCUS A LOT ON HATCHLINGS, BUT THE FEMALES THAT ARE NESTING, IT MAY NOT EVEN CAUSE THEM JUST TO WANDER, BUT THEY MAY ABANDON NESTING ALTOGETHER.
WHAT WE CALL A FALSE CRAWL. THE COUNTY RECORDS ALL OF THESE FALSE CRAWLS.
AND ANOTHER CLARIFICATION, I DON'T THINK WE'VE MADE SUPER CLEAR IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT DISORIENTATIONS THIS, THIS ISN'T JUST HATCHLINGS THAT ARE GOING IN A, IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION AND EVENTUALLY MAKE IT TO THE WATER.
THIS, THIS RESULTS IN TURTLE DEATHS. SO WE FIND THEM RUN OVER IN THE ROAD.
WE FIND THEM IN POOLS. SO THEY DON'T NECESSARILY SURVIVE WHEN THEY DISORIENT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION TO JUST FURTHER CLARIFICATION.
WHEN YOU SAY THE, THE, WHEN THE MOTHERS AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CORRECT TERM FOR A FEMALE TURTLE IS NESTING, THAT IS THE ACT OF ACTUALLY LAYING THE, DIGGING THE HOLE, LAYING THE EGGS COVERING, AND THEN GOING BACK OUT TO SEA FOR ANOTHER 364 DAYS.
YEAH. ACTUALLY ILLNESS MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER.
SO THE FEMALES CAN COME UP AND LAY ON AVERAGE FROM 4 TO 8 NESTS.
SO THEY'LL COME UP STARTING BEGINNING OF MAY.
SOMETIMES THEY DON'T KNOW THE CALENDAR AND THEY COME UP END OF APRIL.
BASICALLY, THEY NEVER COME BACK TO THEIR HATCHLINGS.
SO THEN NOT, YOU KNOW, ALL THINGS CONSIDERED, IF EVERYTHING GOES WELL, ABOUT 60 DAYS LATER, THE HATCHLINGS WILL EMERGE FROM THAT NEST AND GO TO THE WATER, BUT THE FEMALES CAN COME UP EVERY 10 TO 14 DAYS, SO THEY CAN LAY MULTIPLE NESTS THROUGHOUT THE SEASON, WHICH IS SORT OF AN EVOLUTIONARY STRATEGY CONSIDERING THEY'RE DOING THIS DURING THE HURRICANE SEASON. SO THEY'RE SPREADING OUT WHEN THEY'RE LAYING THEIR EGGS AND NOT PUTTING THEM ALL IN ONE BASKET.
SO KIND OF MITIGATING. YOU KNOW, IF A STORM COMES EARLY IN THE SEASON, THEY'LL CONTINUE TO LAY THROUGH END OF JULY, BEGINNING OF AUGUST. AND YOU KNOW, IF NO STORMS COME, THEN THEN AT LEAST THERE'S A CHANCE THAT THOSE HATCHLINGS MADE IT AND THEN THEY'LL TAKE A BREAK FOR A YEAR OR TWO AND COME BACK AND DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN.
THAT'S VERY INTERESTING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I APPRECIATE IT. JUST A GENERAL MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING WHAT IS BEING SAID.
NUMBER ONE, THE STATE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO NOW COMPLY WITH.
AND WE'RE NOT IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO, WE HAVE A SOCIAL INTEREST IN PROTECTING OUR SEA TURTLES.
AND NUMBER THREE, THE INITIAL IMPACT OF THIS ORDINANCE WILL REALLY BE ON NEW CONSTRUCTION.
IS THAT CORRECT. AND THEN COMPLIANCE WILL TAKE TIME FOR THE OLDER CONSTRUCTION.
WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO RESPOND TO INCIDENTS THAT NEED THE GREATEST CORRECTION FIRST.
IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? YEAH. THE FIRST PART OF I WOULD SAY WE ARE ENFORCING THE STATE RULES CURRENTLY, BUT THEY'RE JUST NOT AS WELL VERSED IN OUR CODE.
SO I WOULDN'T SAY THAT WE'RE NECESSARILY ACTING OUT OF COMPLIANCE IN THAT SENSE.
BUT THANK YOU. GREAT JOB. AGAIN, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. YES. SO WHEN YOU FIND SOMEONE IN VIOLATION, WHAT'S THE PROCESS AND HOW MUCH DO THEY GET FINED.
I'LL DO MY BEST. SO THAT WOULD BE THROUGH BILL QUINCY AND HIS TEAM.
AND THAT CAN VARY DEPENDING ON THE PROPERTY TYPE.
YOU KNOW, LIKE THE CODE OFFICERS KNOW THERE'S SOMEONE ALWAYS AT X, Y, Z CONDO OR THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEONE AT THE HOTEL OR WHATEVER, SO THEY CAN TAKE OH, OH IMMEDIATE ACTION OR IT'S THE NEXT DAY, THEY'LL CONTACT THE PROPERTY OWNER AND SAY, YOU HAVE THIS AMOUNT OF TIME TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE.
AND IF THEY DON'T, THEN THEY WOULD RECEIVE THE NOTICE OF VIOLATION.
AND FROM THERE, IT WOULD BE UP TO THE CODE BOARD ON HOW TO ADDRESS THAT.
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IF THAT, THAT PROPERTY DOESN'T, WE DO HAVE SOMETHING WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK.I APPLAUD THE CITY FOR PROTECTING OUR NATURAL RESOURCES.
I'D ENCOURAGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO PRESERVE OUR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, TO PROTECT IT AND TO ENHANCE IT. AND SO THIS IS ONE IMPORTANT PART OF A PROCESS THAT I THINK OUGHT TO CONTINUE ON AND ON AS WE PROTECT OUR ENVIRONMENT AND ENHANCE OUR, OUR GREEN SPACES AND SO FORTH.
SO FIRST QUESTION IS I'M JUST CURIOUS, IN THE EVENT OF A DISORIENTATION, IS THERE ANY HUMAN INTERVENTION OR OTHER INTERVENTION THAT CAN HELP CORRECT THAT OR IS IT JUST A DONE DEAL? SO IT'S KIND OF JUST A DONE DEAL. WE MEETING SOMEONE IN THE CITY WHETHER THAT'S BEACH PATROL OR MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WHERE THEY'VE GOTTEN A CALL WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN SOMEONE'S EITHER ON THE BEACH OR NEARBY AND THEY'RE LIKE, I HAVE ALL THESE BABY TURTLES.
WHAT DO I DO? YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEIR STAFF IS IN TEAM IS REALLY GREAT.
THEY KNOW THE ROUTINE. THEY KNOW THE PROTOCOL OF GOING DOWN THERE, COLLECTING THEM, NOTIFYING.
CALL YOUR COUNTY STAFF WHO'S THE PERMIT HOLDER TO SAY, HEY, THIS HAPPENED THIS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING THIS. SO EVERYBODY WHO'S INVOLVED CAN KNOW AND THAT INFORMATION CAN GET PASSED TO THE COUNTY THAT THEN INEVITABLY HAS TO GET PASSED TO THE STATE.
SO ALL THESE DISORIENTATIONS ARE RECORDED AND SENT TO THE STATE FOR FOR THEIR PURPOSES AS WELL.
SO ALL DATA, GOOD OR UNFORTUNATE, IS RECORDED AND PASSED ON.
AND IN AREAS WHERE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE HAVE PERSISTENT PROBLEMS. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, IT WOULD TAKE A PRETTY BIG ARGUMENT AND CASE TO BE MADE THAT WE NEED TO TAKE EXTREME MEASURES TO GO BEYOND IN INTERVENING WITH THEIR NATURAL CUES OF TRYING TO CORRAL THEM INTO A CERTAIN WAY IS KIND OF WHAT I'M GRASPING AT WHAT YOU'RE.
WE'RE KIND OF MAYBE GETTING AT THERE. SO THEY HAVE TO DO WHAT THEY CAN DO.
AND, AND IT'S JUST KIND OF THE NAME OF THE GAME, UNFORTUNATELY.
WELL, AT LEAST PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO DO WHAT THEY CAN AND I APPRECIATE THAT.
AND MY SECOND QUESTION IS FOR ANDREW. ANDREW.
ARE THERE ANY SB 180 IMPLICATIONS WITH RESPECT TO THIS ORDINANCE? OR YOU CAN DEFER TO A LATER TIME. I MEAN, YEAH, I'D LIKE TO NOT DISCUSS THAT.
BUT THE KEY WORD WOULD BE MORE RESTRICTIVE OR BURDENSOME.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THAT IS THE CASE HERE. BUT I WILL, I WILL DEFER MY FINAL OPINION ON THAT TO A LATER DATE. AND, YOU KNOW, I GUESS MY, MY VIEW WOULD BE JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD THAT THAT BECAUSE WE WOULD BE COMPLYING WITH FEDERAL, I MEAN, WITH FLORIDA REGULATIONS AND FOLLOWING THEIR GUIDELINES THAT WE SHOULD BE INSULATED FROM ANY SORT OF SB 180 CHALLENGE.
YEAH. AGAIN, YOU KNOW, SB 180 HAS BEEN IN OTHER, OTHER LAWS THAT THE STATE HAS PASSED INTENDED TO I THINK THEY WERE INTENDED FOR STORM RECOVERY AND HELPING PEOPLE RECOVER FROM STORMS. BUT THEY HAVE HAD A BIT OF A CHILLING EFFECT ON LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WHO WANT TO COMPLY WITH LAWS AND PROTECT THEIR NATURAL RESOURCES LIKE TURTLES.
WE HAVE AN AMAZING COASTLINE IN FLORIDA, AND EVERY LOCAL GOVERNMENT SHOULD BE ADDRESSING THIS.
SO I DON'T I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU.
QUICKLY. MISS PETERSON AND THEN I'M GOING TO GO TO THE PUBLIC.
I HAVE A VERY QUICK ONE. OKAY. LET MISS PETERSON GO NEXT, THEN YOU.
HI, SARAH. HI, KATIE. GO AHEAD. REAL QUICK ON THIS TURTLE DISTRICT.
DOES THAT ALSO AFFECT LIKE SO ANY NEW HOME BUILT IN ANY OF THIS AREA? WOULD THAT REQUIRE TURTLE GLASS AS WELL ON THE ENTIRE HOME? EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO DIRECT LINE OF SIGHT, WE WOULD ADDRESS THAT THROUGH THE SITE VISIT AND PERMIT REVIEW TO DETERMINE, OKAY, WHAT POSSIBLE, IF ANY, LINES OF SIGHT. SO THAT'S IT'S ADDRESSED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS.
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IT'S NOT A BLANKET. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE THAT GETS REVIEWED WITHIN THIS PURPLE LINE HAS TO HAVE TURTLE GLASS.BUT ANYTHING EAST OF THAT. BUT WITHIN THE PURPLE SHADED AREA, WE WOULD ADDRESS THAT.
IF, IF THERE'S A CONCERN WITH VISION, IT WOULD BE A CASE BY IT'S NOT A BLANKET THAT'S OUR PERMITTING MANDATE THAT ANYTHING INSIDE THIS PURPLE LINE, IRREGARDLESS OF LINE OF SIGHT OF THE BEACH.
NOW ALL, ALL OF IT HAS TO HAVE TURTLE GLASS. THAT'S NOT THE CASE.
THAT'S NOT OUR INTENT. OKAY. YEAH. QUICKLY. YEAH.
CHAIR, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAD MENTIONED EARLIER THAT SUPPORTING THIS ORDINANCE WOULD BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE COMMUNITY SOCIAL INTEREST IN PRESERVING THE TURTLES AND THE HATCHLINGS. I WOULD SAY IT GOES FARTHER THAN THAT.
ON ONE OF THE PAGES IN THE PRESENTATION IT SAYS, DID YOU KNOW NESTING DEPOSITS, VITAL NESTING DEPOSITS, VITAL NUTRIENTS THAT NOURISH BEACH VEGETATION, PREVENTING EROSION.
THANK YOU. AND WE DO HAVE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC THAT'S BEEN VERY PATIENT.
I THINK THERE'S A MISS VASQUEZ, JUST GIVE YOUR NAME.
PLEASE COME OVER HERE. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING.
GOOD MORNING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBERS.
I'M AMELIA VASQUEZ WITH THE COLORADO BUILDING INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION.
I'M THE EXECUTIVE OFFICER OF MEMBERS. AS YOU KNOW, WORK ALONG THE BEACHES EVERY SINGLE DAY.
WE BUILT THE NEW HOMES WE'RE ADDING ON. WE'RE REMODELING, WE'RE INSTALLING POOLS, LANDSCAPING.
WE GOT LIGHTING FOR THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE HERE.
AND I WANT TO SAY AT THE OUTSET, WE SUPPORT PROTECTING THE SEA TURTLES.
WHAT BRINGS ME HERE IS HOW BIG THIS CHANGE IS AND HOW FAST IT'S MOVING THE SURFACE, AS WAS MENTIONED BACK IN SEPTEMBER 2025, THEN SAID, WITH NO REAL MOVEMENT FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND ALL THAT TIME, THE BUILDING COMMUNITY, THE ASSOCIATIONS, THE RESIDENTS WERE NEVER BROUGHT IN TO THE TABLE.
AND NOW IT'S RACING TOWARDS THE FIRST READING IN NOVEMBER.
THIS ORDINANCE IS CONSEQUENTIAL FOR THE PEOPLE WE BUILD.
A CONCERN IS IS AS WRITTEN, A HOMEOWNER'S CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY WILL BE HELD UP BY AN AFTER DARK INSPECTION WITH NO REALLY NO TIME FRAME AND NO APPEAL.
EXISTING HOMES ARE TOLD TO REPLACE OR MODIFY THEIR LIGHTING WITH NO COMPLIANCE DATE YET, AND THE RULES NOW REACH INTERIOR LIGHTING AND WINDOW TREATMENTS. THOSE ARE REAL CHANGES IN HOW HOMES GET BUILT, INSPECTED AND LIVED IN.
NONE OF THESE IS REQUIRED BY THE STATE. THE STATE MODEL IS NOT MANDATORY.
COLLIER KEEPS A SIMPLE LIGHTS OFF OPTION FOR EXISTING HOMES.
MARCO GAVE EXISTING BUILDINGS YEARS TO COMPLY.
NAPLES WOULD BE THE ONE, THE ONE TRYING A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR.
AFTER OUR. AFTER DARK INSPECTION IN OUR. IT'S.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT MAYBE MORE FURTHER INFORMATION AND RESEARCH IS DONE.
THE RECORD SHOWS SEA TURTLES ORIENTATIONS AND I HEARD RIGHT NOW ARE REAL AND IT'S A GROWING PROBLEM WE UNDERSTAND, BUT NOTHING THAT I REALLY FEEL THAT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED SHOWS HOW MUCH OF THAT PROBLEM COMES FROM OUR NEW CONSTRUCTION VERSUS EXISTING LIGHTING. REAL DATA OF THAT SPECIFIC NEW REQUIREMENTS WILL ACTUALLY REDUCE IT.
WE'RE ASKING STAFF TO SHOW LINKAGE OF SOME OF THESE DATA A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION.
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AND THERE WAS A MENTION ABOUT COMMUNITY PARTNERS NAMED AND I HEARD THE NAMES.BUT WE DON'T SEE ANY OF THOSE COMMUNITY PARTNERS NAMED AS BUILDERS.
WE ALSO ASK THE CITY, OUR CITY ATTORNEY, HE SAID, DEFER THE OPINION, BUT WE ALSO WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW THE AMENDMENT FOR CONSISTENCY WITH STATE LAW TO INCLUDE SENATE BILL 180 AND A CLEAR CLARIFICATION OF THE IMPACT BUSINESS IMPACT ESTIMATE AND THE REQUIREMENTS. SO OUR ASK IS SIMPLE. THIS IS REALLY BIG.
IT'S REALLY NEW TO THIS BOARD. DON'T RUSH IT.
WE ASK RESPECTFULLY ASK YOU TO CONTINUE SEVEN E SO THE STAFF CAN BRING UP THE MAP.
AND ALSO WE REQUEST ASSOCIATIONS THAT WERE ALL IN THE COAST.
I WANT TO THANK YOU AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK.
THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME, I APPRECIATE IT.
CAN YOU TELL ME WHAT EFFORTS THAT ASSOCIATION HAS TAKEN TO REACH OUT TO THE CITY TO INVOLVE THEMSELVES IN THIS PROCESS TO DATE? SURE. SO YOU GUYS PRESENTED IT IN SEPTEMBER 2025.
SO SINCE SEPTEMBER OF 2025, YOU HAVEN'T REACHED OUT TO THE CITY TO INVOLVE YOU GUYS PRESENTED IT.
WE'RE FOLLOWING THE PROTOCOLS BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY ARE NOW COMING.
IT SURFACED THAT YOU LAY DORMANT, CORRECT. ON YOUR OWN BASIS.
ACTUALLY WENT TO THE CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP IN SEPTEMBER 14TH, THAT I'M CORRECT.
SO THAT'S WHERE THESE RULES WE'RE FOLLOWING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
WE APPRECIATE IT. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD BEFORE WE GET A MOTION.
IS ARE YOU IN INTENDING TO IMPOSE RESTRICTIONS ON THINGS ON THE BEACH STRICTLY DURING TURTLE SEASON? AND WHAT ARE THOSE SPECIFIC RESTRICTIONS? SO WE HAVE BEACH EQUIPMENT IN OUR DEFINITIONS DEFINED AS FURNITURE APPARATUS OR PARAPHERNALIA INTENDED FOR USE ON THE BEACH OR ADJACENT TIDAL WATERS.
EXAMPLES INCLUDE, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, CHAIRS, CABANAS, BENCHES, TABLES, TENTS, UMBRELLAS, SAILING VESSELS, KAYAKS, CANOES, JET SKIS, SURFBOARD, PADDLE VESSELS, CONGESTION STORAGE UNITS, FISHING GEAR, SPORTING EQUIPMENT AND FLOTATION DEVICES.
SO WE TRIED TO CAPTURE EVERYTHING WE COULD THINK OF THAT WE'RE SEEING. AND THEN IN THE SECTION TOWARDS THE END OF THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE, WE SAY ALL BEACH EQUIPMENT MUST BE REMOVED FROM THE BEACH BY NIGHTTIME.
SO SUNSET DURING THE NESTING SEASON, BEACH EQUIPMENT MUST BE MOVED LANDWARD OF THE FRONTAL DUNE AND DONE IN A MANNER THAT THE DUNE VEGETATION IS NOT DAMAGED. WHERE THERE'S NO DUNE VEGETATION THAT MUST BE STORED LANDWARD OF THE SEAWALL OR ADJACENT TO A PERMANENT STRUCTURE.
SO JUST ENSURING IT'S OFF THE BEACH ITSELF, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE, DEPENDING ON THE PROPERTY'S CONDITIONS, TO ENSURE NO NEGATIVE INTERACTIONS WITH TURTLES.
AND IT CAN'T BE PLACED OUT UNTIL A DAILY MONITORING IS DONE BY COLLIER COUNTY.
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AND THEN THEY CAN PUT THAT OUT. AND THAT GETS DONE PRETTY QUICKLY BECAUSE THEY'RE OUT ON THE BEACH AT SUNRISE.SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT HOLDING ANYBODY UP. AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER STIPULATION IS THAT IF THERE'S A NEST WITHIN THE VICINITY, THEY'D WISH TO PUT OUT THIS TYPE OF EQUIPMENT THAT IT HAS TO REMAIN TEN FEET AWAY FROM THE NEST.
AND THAT'S JUST STANDARD PRACTICES THAT, THAT THAT'S IMPLEMENTED AT THE STATE LEVEL AS WELL.
AND JUST BY NOTE, IT'S ALSO HURRICANE BEGINNING OF HURRICANE SEASON.
SO A BUNCH OF STUFF OUT ON THE BEACH. NOT A GREAT IDEA.
YEAH. THERE WAS ANOTHER COMMENT I THINK OVER HERE.
NO. OKAY. I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE REVISION AS PRESENTED. AND I AGAIN COMPLIMENT YOU ON THE GREAT JOB AND I KNOW, I MEAN, I'M COUNTING ON THE FACT THAT THERE'S COMMON SENSE GOING TO BE APPLIED BY STAFF AS THEY USUALLY DO, AND ENFORCING THIS AND NOT TRYING TO MAKE AN EARTH SHAKING EVENT IN 24 HOURS.
YEAH, I AGREE. WE DON'T WANT THAT EITHER. OKAY.
IS THERE A SECOND? THERE IS A SECOND. YOU WANT TO CALL THE ROLL ON THIS? CAN WE HAVE A DISCUSSION FIRST? OH, DISCUSSION. I'M SORRY.
SO I HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE LIKE THE PUBLIC COMMENT FROM THE CBIA.
IF THIS IS A BIG ORDINANCE CHANGE. AND THEN NOW IF THE PROCESS IS, IT GOES IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL, THEN COMES TO A B, AND THEN ONCE WE RECOMMEND IT TO CITY COUNCIL, THEY THEN DECIDE ON FINAL IMPLEMENTATION.
AND SO MY QUESTION IS IF THIS WAS FIRST PRESENTED A YEAR AGO AND THEN NOW IT'S COMING IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL, AND THEY THEN PASS IT ALONG TO US TO APPROVE, TO THEN SEND BACK TO THEM FOR FINAL APPROVAL.
IT DOES SEEM LIKE THAT IS VERY QUICK AND THERE ARE A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS IS A BIG, BIG CHANGE. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF TIME FRAME THAT THAT DOES ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO HAVE COMMENT.
BECAUSE IF WE WANT THE, I AGREE WITH, WE WANT, WE WANT THE BEST OF THE BEST WITH ALL ORDINANCES THAT WE PUT IN PLACE AND SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THE COMP PLAN, YOU KNOW, IT DOES SEEM LIKE SOMETIMES THERE'S A VERY QUICK AVENUE AT THE END WHERE THINGS JUST GET APPROVED.
YOU KNOW, IN THE FINAL PORTION QUICKLY. AND I JUST WONDER IF WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME FOR INPUT ON THIS, BECAUSE I'M NOT SURE NECESSARILY IF ALL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS HAVE EVEN SEEN THIS OR AWARE OF IT.
AND WHAT KIND OF IMPACT DO THEY SEE ON IT? AND, YOU KNOW, INPUT FROM OUR RESIDENTS, I FEEL LIKE IS, IS PARAMOUNT NOT TO SAY THAT ANY OF THIS WOULD CHANGE OR COULD CHANGE, BUT TO GIVE EVERYBODY KIND OF NOTICE TO WHAT IS IN IT AND WHAT IS CHANGING BEFORE IT ESSENTIALLY BECOMES FINAL. BECAUSE THIS WOULD GO IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL NEXT MONTH.
YES. SO WE DID DISCUSS THIS A YEAR AGO AT COUNCIL AND IT WAS STATED THEN THAT WE WERE WORKING ON IT AND WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY. SO THIS HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS AND WORKING WITH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS IN THE SEA TURTLE WORLD TO, TO DO THAT. SO IT DOES SEEM FAST, BUT THIS WAS TALKED ABOUT THAT WE WERE GOING TO BE ACTIVELY WORKING ON IT STARTING LAST FALL.
AND I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD SO A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE SEEING NOW IS, IS A REFINEMENT AND CLARIFICATION OF WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING. SO IT MAY SEEM LIKE A BIG CHANGE, BUT SINCE THIS HASN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE 1995 AND A MODEL ORDINANCE HAS COME OUT SINCE THEN.
THIS IS WHAT'S REQUIRED, YOU KNOW, KIND OF BLACK AND WHITE.
THE TURTLE DISTRICT IS JUST MERELY EXPANDING OUR AREA OF REVIEW SO THAT PEOPLE CAN HAVE A HEADS UP EARLY IN THE PROCESS INSTEAD OF AFTER THE FACT TO BE IN COMPLIANCE.
SO IT'S NOT EXPANDING OR MANDATING ANYTHING THAT WE REALLY AREN'T ALREADY DOING AS A PART OF THE CASTLE CODE AND ADDING DEFINITIONS. SO IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THAT CLARIFICATION FACTOR.
YEAH. AND TO ADD ON, LIKE KATIE SAID, THIS IS THE PART OF THE REVIEW PROCESS.
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IMPACT TO TURTLES. AND PART OF THAT PROCESS, AGAIN, STANDARD PROCEDURES THAT WE DO NOW SIMILAR TO THE STATE IS WE GIVE OUR OKAY, WE REVIEWED THIS, WE GIVE OUR STAMP OF APPROVAL, BUT WE'RE GOING TO CHECK IT AT THE END.AND THAT'S HOLDS UP GETTING THE CEO. YES. BUT THAT'S OUR DUE DILIGENCE TO SAY, OKAY, LIKE, YES, YOU INSTALLED THIS PER WHAT WE APPROVED AND IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.
GREAT JOB. OR ACTUALLY YOU DIDN'T INSTALL THE LIGHT THAT YOU WERE APPROVED FOR.
YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THIS BECAUSE IT IS VISIBLE OR WHAT HAVE YOU.
WE'LL CHECK IT AT THE END, AND THEN WE GET TO THE END AND SAY, YOU'RE ALL WRONG.
LIKE THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT TO DO. THAT'S NOT HOW WE OPERATE.
NOW, THIS IS VERY PROACTIVE FROM DAY ONE OF THE PERMIT APPLICATION.
MR.. MR. CHAIR, IF I COULD I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS THE PROCEDURE.
WELL, IN ADDITION TO THE HUNDREDS OF HOURS THAT STAFF HAS PUT INTO THIS, AND OUR OFFICE HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN IT, AS YOU KNOW, IT ALSO WENT TO A WORKSHOP AT THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND WHEN IT GOES TO JUST YOU, SO YOU'RE ACTING AS THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY RIGHT NOW.
SO YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HEAR THIS. IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING.
AND THERE'S TIME AT THAT POINT FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND PARTICIPATE.
AND IF THERE ARE CHANGES THAT ARE NEEDED OR IF IT NEEDS TO BE TABLED OR CONTINUED FOR A LITTLE WHILE BETWEEN FIRST AND SECOND READING TO ADDRESS ANY ISSUES THAT WILL HAPPEN.
AND THAT'S THE NORMAL PROCESS. AND IF WE START WITH EVERY SINGLE THING, YOU KNOW, SAYING LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO GO HAVE MORE MEETINGS. IT'S JUST AN ENORMOUS EFFORT FOR PASSING WHAT IS TYPICAL POLICY.
OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I, I'D LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT.
I THINK THAT WHILE THAT MAY BE FACTUALLY ACCURATE AND THE FACT THAT THERE'S AN AGENDA PUBLISHED AND SO FORTH I THINK WE NEED A CHANGE OF ATTITUDE. WE KNOW WHO THE COASTAL COMMUNITIES ARE.
WE KNOW WHO THE COASTAL COMMUNITY ASSOCIATIONS ARE.
I DOUBT ANYBODY IS PAYING ANY ATTENTION TO THE FACT THAT THERE'S AN AGENDA ITEM THAT TALKS ABOUT SEA TURTLES. SO I THINK IT'S INCUMBENT UPON THE CITY TO TO STOP JUST RELYING ON NOTICES AND ACTUALLY ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE BEING IMPACTED BY ANYTHING WE'RE CONSIDERING.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT. I JUST LIKE TO ADD THAT THERE HAS BEEN AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ANY HOA OR ANY BUILDING OR CONSTRUCTION ORGANIZATION TO MEET INDIVIDUALLY WITH STAFF OR CITY COUNCILS.
YOU DON'T NEED TO WAIT FOR THE PROTOCOLS TO HAPPEN.
YOU CAN COME IN ANY TIME AND HAVE A CONVERSATION.
IF SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAS BEEN SORT OF BURNING AT THE SEAMS FOR THE LAST HOUR LAST YEAR, YOU HAVE PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY TO COME AND ADDRESS IT WITH STAFF LONG BEFORE THE PROCESS STARTS. OKAY, I'M GOING TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT WE NEED TO BE SUGGESTION.
OKAY. AND. WHETHER ONE OF THE COMMENTS STAFF MAKES THAT RESONATES WITH ME IS A VAST MAJORITY OF THESE REQUIREMENTS ARE BEING REQUIRED, BUT PEOPLE ARE FINDING OUT ABOUT THEM AT THE BACK END OF A PROJECT RATHER THAN THE FRONT END OF A PROJECT. THAT'S JUST INCREASES COST TO EVERYBODY, MAKES EVERYBODY HATE GOVERNMENT EVEN MORE THAN THEY DO.
A GREAT DEAL OF THOUGHT HAS GONE ON TO IT. I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD.
I KNOW THERE'S A TENDENCY BY MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD WHO WANT TO DO PERFECT.
I HAVEN'T DISCOVERED THAT IN GOVERNMENT YET. IF YOU DO YOUR BEST YOU CAN.
AND THEN IF YOU'VE MADE A MISTAKE, YOU GO BACK AND CORRECT IT IF YOU HAVE TO.
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I THINK THE AND EVERY TIME WE DELAY SOMETHING, IT'S I SAW THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE POPULATION OF NAPLES IS, BUT RECENT MAGAZINE SAID IT WAS 20,000 PEOPLE.I THINK IT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT. BUT THERE'S A BUDGETARY IMPACT TO THE CITY GOVERNMENT THAT IF WE IF ALL THE IDEAS WE HAD, WHICH I THINK ARE CONSTRUCTIVE, WERE PUT ON THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WE DOUBLE THE SIZE OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT GUYS.
AND THAT'S NOT OUR DECISION. WE CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND WE SHOULD BE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS WHEN WE FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT SOMETHING, THEN THEY CAN MAKE.
EVALUATE THE BUDGETARY IMPACT OF WHAT WE HAVE IN MIND.
BUT. NAPLES. YOU KNOW, TAX BURDENS ARE ENOUGH IN THIS STATE.
WITHOUT MY THINKING THAT THE CITY GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO DOUBLE THE SIZE OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITIES WITH DEVELOPING ORDINANCES.
WE HAVE PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITIES AND VARIANCES AND MATTERS THAT ARE PRETTY CLEARLY DIRECTED TO US.
I'M GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION. I'D LIKE TO MAKE ONE ADDITIONAL COMMENT BRIEFLY, PLEASE.
I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP OUR EYE ON THE BALL AS TO WHAT THE THIS RULE IS WE'RE OBLIGATED TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S PRESENTED TO US AND THEN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL AS TO WHETHER OR NOT, AS PRESENTED IT SHOULD BE APPROVED OR PASSED OR IMPLEMENTED.
AND OURS IS NOT TO CONTROL TIMING. OURS IS NOT TO CONTROL PUBLIC INPUT.
OURS IS JUST TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US AND SAY YES OR NO, WHETHER ON ITS MERITS, IT OUGHT TO BE AT AN APPROPRIATE TIME APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.
AND SO ANYBODY HERE, I THINK, ON THIS DAIS WHO SAYS THEY'RE GOING TO VOTE NO BECAUSE THEY THINK THE TIMING IS WRONG, THEN I THINK THAT'S WRONGHEADED. AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT COMMENT BEFORE WE VOTED.
THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT. I ALSO THINK, THOUGH, THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY A MOTION WAS MADE AND SECONDED SO WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION BEFORE THE VOTE IS MADE. AND, YOU KNOW, IN HAVING DISCUSSION, THEN WE CAN KIND OF FIGURE OUT WHERE EVERYBODY IS AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN DO AS THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD.
IN ORDER TO MAKE OUR FINAL RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
HOWEVER, I DO THINK THERE ARE SOME HIGHLIGHTS THAT CITY COUNCIL SHOULD TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHEN THEY'RE ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, MAKING THE FINAL CALL ON THIS. AND, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT, I WOULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE JUST POINT OUT TO CITY COUNCIL THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY FOCUS ON, YOU KNOW, TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE FACT THAT THERE IS A WHOLE NEW TURTLE DISTRICT THAT'S BEING PROPOSED AND WHAT IMPACT THAT HAS ON THE CITY.
AND THEN ALSO, I WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISMS, BECAUSE A LOT OF THIS IS GREAT FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, BUT THE MAJOR PROBLEM IS GOING TO BE EXISTING FIXTURES, EXISTING HOMES, EXISTING BUILDINGS.
THERE WERE PICTURES OF CONDOS IN HERE THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT FOR DECADES, AND THEY'RE IN VIOLATION.
SO MAYBE JUST HAVING SOME TYPE OF RECOMMENDATIONS TO GO ALONG WITH THE VOTE WOULD BE HELPFUL.
SO I THINK THOSE COMMENTS ARE WELL TAKEN. I AM GOING TO CALL THE QUESTION.
ROLL CALL PLEASE. AND THIS IS TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AS PRESENTED BY STAFF MEMBER FREDERIKSEN.
YES. MEMBER BARONE. YES. I'D LIKE TO ADD THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
BUT YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT MAYBE NOW THIS ISN'T THE RIGHT TIME TO DO THAT, SO.
SO ARE YOU A YES? YES. ALTERNATE MEMBER. PETERSON.
YES. VICE CHAIR. FOWLER. YES. MEMBER. BLOEMKER.
NO. MEMBER. CREASE. YES. MEMBER. KEPLER IS ABSENT.
CHAIR COUGHLIN. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE HARD EFFORT AND I THINK THE COMMENTS WERE WELL TAKEN.
IT'S TIME FOR A BREAK. SO MR. CHAIR, BEFORE GREAT PRESENTATION BEFORE YOU BREAK.
I MEAN, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT PROCEDURALLY, IF YOU DO WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER MOTION THAT JUST IS CODIFYING ANY THINGS THAT YOU WANT, SPECIFICALLY THE COUNCIL TO LOOK AT THAT.
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COUNCILMAN BRAUN BROUGHT UP, YOU COULD DO A SEPARATE MOTION TO THAT AND JUST SAY THAT THAT WILL ALSO BE HIGHLIGHTED TO THE COUNCIL.I MEAN, I MEAN, IT WAS PASSED, BUT YOU WANT TO.
EXACTLY. AND I HAVE YEAH. AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH IT BEING PASSED.
BUT SO I, IF I MAKE A MOTION HERE, I HAVE TO MAKE THE MOTION FIRST BEFORE I PRESENT WHAT.
YEAH. SO I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ALSO TIE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION.
I MEAN, I MEAN WITH THE YEAH, WITH THE RECOMMENDATION.
YEAH. SO YES, YOU'VE GOT ONE, 234. THE, THE TWO THAT I BROUGHT UP ARE JUST TO HAVE COUNSEL BE AWARE OF THE IMPACT OF THE NEW SEA TURTLE DISTRICT HAS ON ALL OF THE COASTAL COMMUNITIES AND TO LOOK AT THE METHODS OF ENFORCEMENT.
BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE A MAJOR PROBLEM AS WELL.
OKAY. IT SEEMS OKAY. THERE'S BEEN A MOTION. IS THERE A SECOND? OKAY. ANY DISCUSSION? I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARY BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY HAD THE COMMENTS IN THE RECORD, BUT I, I, YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, LET'S VOTE ON IT AND SEE WHAT I DO HAVE CONCERNS OVER HOW THE ENFORCEMENT WORKS.
FROM THE QUESTIONS I ASKED, I THINK IT'S IT'S IT'S TOUGH.
OKAY. I'LL CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. MEMBER. BARRON.
YES. MEMBER. FREDERIKSEN. YES. MEMBER. KAPPLER IS ABSENT.
VICE CHAIR. FOWLER. YES. MEMBER. PETERSON. YES.
MEMBER. BLOEMKER. YES. MEMBER. CREASE. YES. CHAIR.
COUGHLIN. YES. AND, MR. CHAIR, JUST PROCEDURALLY.
SO THE REASON I BROUGHT THAT UP IS THAT BECAUSE WHEN THIS IS PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL, THAT INFORMATION CAN BE IN THE STAFF REPORT SPECIFICALLY HIGHLIGHTING IT.
AND I GET YOUR POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD READ THE MINUTES AND WATCH THE MEETING, BUT THIS WILL ALLOW STAFF TO SPECIFICALLY HIGHLIGHT THE TWO CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP SPECIFICALLY. CAN I ASK A QUICK PROCEDURAL QUESTION TO.
AND SO JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY. SO WHEN A MOTION IS PASSED, WE CAN ALWAYS THEN AFTER IT'S PASSED, SAY, CAN WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE ADD JUST COMMENTS TO GIVE TO COUNT? LIKE THAT'S OKAY. OR YOU COULD DO IT THAT WAY OR YOU COULD DO IT WHEN YOU'RE PASSING THE RECOMMENDATION, YOU COULD HAVE ATTACHED IT DURING THAT PROCESS.
BUT EITHER WAY, I JUST DON'T WANT WE DO NEED A BREAK, GUYS.
STAFF REQUIREMENTS. NOW WE'LL GET BACK AND IS IT 15 MINUTES? WE'VE GOT A BREAK FOR WE'LL BREAK TILL FIVE FIVE MINUTES AFTER THE HOUR.
YEAH. THANK YOU. WE'RE IN. OKAY, CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER.
PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THINGS NOT ON THE AGENDA. ANYBODY? NOPE. OKAY. COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE. YES. SO THIS IS A STANDING ITEM THAT'S ON WE HAVE ON EVERY MEETING.
[9.A) Update on Naples 2045, the Elective Changes to the City of Naples Comprehensive Plan, Including Resilience Presentation from the Public Works Department. ]
AND IT'S A BRIEF UPDATE ON WHERE WE'RE KIND OF WHERE WE ARE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS.BUT ESSENTIALLY WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW WITH THIS PROCESS IS, AS YOU RECALL, THE PAB AND COUNCIL HAD REQUESTED THAT WE EXTEND THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD THROUGH THE SUMMER AND INTO THE FALL TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC TO RESPOND ADDITIONAL TIME TO RESPOND TO THE DRAFT THAT WAS PRESENTED BY THE CONSULTANT.
SO WE ARE IN THAT EXTENDED REVIEW PERIOD RIGHT NOW.
THE COMMENTS ARE DUE AT THE END OF THIS MONTH FROM THE PUBLIC, AND WILL BE PRESENTED TO AND DISCUSSED BY THE PAB AT THE NOVEMBER PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD MEETING. SO WE'VE BEEN COLLECTING COMMENTS STEADILY THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER. WE'VE MET WITH VARIOUS GROUPS, HAD LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS, AND THEY'RE SLOWLY TRICKLING IN THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
I KNOW THAT OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT DID PUT OUT, I BELIEVE, LAST WEEK, A PUSH TO ALL OF ANYONE WHO IS REGISTERED WITH THE CITY OR IS IN THE CONSTANT CONTACT OR HAD REGISTERED THROUGH THE NAPLES 2045 WEBSITE.
A MESSAGE WAS SENT OUT JUST REMINDING EVERYONE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL IN THE EXTENDED REVIEW.
PLEASE GET YOUR COMMENTS IN. I DID GET A LIKE A BURST OF RESPONSES AFTER THAT MESSAGE WENT OUT.
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AND THE COUNCIL MEETING. I'M JUST WANTING TO CONFIRM THAT THAT'S. YES, THAT WAS LAST CALL ON THE DRAFT THAT HAD BEEN SUBMITTED.SO FOR THAT DRAFT, THIS IS THE LAST CALL. THOSE COMMENTS ARE DUE ON OCTOBER 23RD.
ONCE THOSE COMMENTS ARE SUBMITTED, THAT WILL RESULT IN A FURTHER DRAFT.
SO THERE ARE GOING TO BE ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES, BUT WE DID WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT FOR THIS DRAFT THAT'S PUBLISHED TODAY, THAT LAST CALL IS RIGHT NOW UNTIL THE 23RD. AND IS IT POSSIBLE TO RECEIVE FINAL SUBMISSIONS THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED BEFORE THE YOU KNOW, THE NEXT I MEAN, LIKE IMMEDIATELY OR SOON SO WE CAN GET STARTED ON IT? DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? DID I SAY THAT? YEAH. I MEAN, HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT PRIOR TO BEING PUBLISHED? THAT'S JUST PROVIDING THEM TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD BEFORE THEY'RE PUBLISHED FOR THE PUBLIC REVIEW.
THE THE THE COMMENTS. YEAH. SO WE'VE RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC RELATED TO THE DRAFT AND THOSE CURRENTLY THE WAY IT STANDS IS THOSE ARE TO BE PUBLISHED AND PRESENTED TO THE PAB IN THE NOVEMBER MEETING.
I MEAN, IT'S LEGISLATION. I MEAN, IT'S NOT QUASI JUDICIAL.
SO IF YOU HAVE THOSE AND AND YOU CAN DISTRIBUTE IT TO THEM WITHOUT THEM COMMUNICATING WITH ONE ANOTHER, I THINK THAT'S FINE. OKAY. THAT'S GREAT. I'LL DISTRIBUTE WHAT I HAVE TO DATE AND THEN I'LL DO ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, IT'LL COME IN OCTOBER. AS OF OCTOBER 23RD.
I'LL THEN GIVE YOU WHAT I HAVE THEN. THAT'S TERRIFIC. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER COMMENT ON WHAT WE'VE GOT? OKAY. YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION. GOOD MORNING. GEORGE YILMAZ, PUBLIC WORKS. I HAVE BRIEF PRESENTATION, AND AS NEEDED, WE CAN GO DEEP DIVE ON OUR CITY OF NAPLES CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE. BEFORE I START, I WANT TO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PRESENTATION IS UNDERSTOOD IN TERMS OF WHAT IT MEANS AND HOW IT GOT EVOLVED AND HOW POTENTIALLY IT MIGHT BE IN PARTS AND PIECES OR IN CONCEPT MIGHT BE INCORPORATED INTO A PLANNING PROCESS.
SO WHAT I'M GOING TO PRESENT TO YOU IS A CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE VISION THAT BOTH OUR CITY MANAGER AND MYSELF JOINTLY MADE PRESENTATIONS TO COMMUNITY ASSOCIATIONS AS WELL AS OUR CITY COUNCIL.
AND IT REFLECTS PARALLEL THREE TRACKS OPERATIONAL IMMEDIATE RESPONSE INTERMEDIATE SOLUTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE TO SUSTAINABLE RELIABILITY ENGINEERING DRIVEN SOLUTIONS AND LONG TERM SOLUTIONS IN TERMS OF HOW WE CAN MANAGE OUR CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
ARE WE READY FOR THE NEXT STORM SEASON? AND ARE WE READY FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS? AND ARE WE GOING TO BE READY FOR NEXT TEN, 20 YEARS? SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT UPFRONT THAT THIS IS NOT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT I'M GOING TO PRESENT.
BUT IT'S A MORE VISIONARY PARALLEL TRACK ACTION PLAN THAT WE ARE ALREADY IMPLEMENTING. SO WITH THAT IF I CAN MOVE TO OUR PRESENTATION AS I, AS I LAID OUT ROADMAP HERE IS RELIABLE, HARDENED CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BEING READY FOR NEXT SEASON AS WELL AS NEXT FIVE YEARS AND THEN NEXT 1020 YEARS.
ENSURE CONTINUITY OF LIFE SUSTAINING ESSENTIAL SERVICES.
THAT'S OUR GARBAGE COLLECTION. THAT'S OUR WATER POTABLE WATER SERVICE.
THAT'S OUR DOMESTIC WASTEWATER SERVICES AND AMONG OTHERS.
AND OF COURSE, OUR COMMUNITY PREPAREDNESS AND READINESS THAT WE DO EVERY YEAR ROUTINELY AS FAR AS OUR CUSTOMERS, WHAT THEY CAN DO TO HELP THEMSELVES. AND THE OBJECTIVES OF VISIONARY PRESENTATION IS THAT IT STARTS WITH PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY AND CONTINUED CRITICAL, LIFE SUSTAINING ESSENTIAL SERVICES.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, WATER, SEWER, MUNICIPAL, SOLID WASTE, TRANSPORTATION, AND TRAFFIC UPS.
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AND CONTINUATION OF THESE OPERATIONS ALSO IS THE FUNDAMENTAL FRAMEWORK FOR CONTINUED CRITICAL GOVERNMENT SERVICES. THAT'S OUR POLICE, FIRE, EMS. THEY ARE RELYING ON OUR LIFE SUSTAINING CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE SO THAT IF THEY TAP INTO A FIRE HYDRANT, IT HAS ENOUGH PRESSURE, IT HAS ENOUGH FLOW AS LONG AS NEEDED. SO YOU CAN SEE THE YOU CAN SEE THE VISIONARY APPROACH WE HAVE HERE.
CRITICAL SERVICES LINKED TO CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND THEY ARE INDEED FUNDAMENTALLY PARALLEL TRACK.
MOST IMPORTANTLY WE WERE FORTUNATE AND UNFORTUNATE TO START IN THIS GREAT CITY OF NAPLES WITH THE NEW CITY MANAGER THAT FOCUSED ON FINANCIAL STRENGTH AND FINANCIAL KNOW HOW AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, FUNDING AND FUND MANAGEMENT NECESSARY FOR US TO BE READY FOR WHAT WE NEED TO IMPLEMENT SHORT, INTERMEDIATE AND LONG TERM EXECUTION. AND THAT'S WHERE THE SUSTAINABLE FINANCIAL STRENGTH AND RATINGS COMES IN.
AND WE'RE PLEASED TO REPORT THAT OUR FUNDING AND FINANCIAL RATINGS AS HIGH AS THEY CAN GET.
AND IT'S GOING TO GET BETTER. AND OF COURSE, COMMUNICATING COMMUNITY AND INDIVIDUAL ROLES AND RESPONSIBILITIES ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT GOVERNMENT CAN DO THAT THAT TRULY SPEAKS TO THE SPIRIT OF OUR VISIONARY APPROACH, THAT GOVERNMENT CANNOT DO ANYTHING.
AND OUR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND OUR CUSTOMERS INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY, THEY HAVE A FAIRLY GOOD AMOUNT OF ROLE TO PLAY IN TERMS OF READINESS TO OUR HURRICANE SEASON AND EMERGENCIES THAT COMES OUT OF BLEW THROUGH TROPICAL STORM SEASON.
SO RECENT CHALLENGES WERE HURRICANE IRMA 2017.
WE ALL STILL REMEMBER VIVIDLY HURRICANE IAN 2022.
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IRMA AND IAN M WAS STORM SURGE EVENT.
IRMA WAS STORM RAINFALL EVENT WITH SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE TO OUR OUR TREES AND, AND LANDSCAPE WHERE WE LOST A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MATURE TREES AND WHAT HAVE YOU. SO THAT WAS NATURAL WAY OF TRIMMING OUR LANDSCAPE BEFORE IAN HIT.
SO RECENT INITIATIVES THAT WE HAVE FOCUSED ON BUILDING A STRONG CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
FUNDING IS THE FUEL AND PROPELLANT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR OUR FUTURE, AS WELL AS SHORT TERM, AS I MENTIONED. AND IT STARTS WITH FINANCIAL PLANNING.
AND WE WILL HAVE FIRST TIME THROUGH THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IMPLEMENTATION, WHICH IS ALREADY EMBEDDED INTO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE WILL MOVING FORWARD FIRST TIME, WILL HAVE MASTER PLANNING PROCESS AND MASTER PLAN FOR STORMWATER UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE WILL HAVE MASTER PLAN FOR WATER, SEWER IQ, IQ, MEANING IRRIGATION QUALITY, WATER SUPPLY.
WE WILL HAVE A MASTER PLAN FOR TRANSPORTATION SERVICES AND FACILITIES.
MASTER PLAN FOR GOVERNMENT FACILITIES. THAT INCLUDES NOT ONLY BUILDINGS, BUT OUR PARKS AND STAGING AREAS AND CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE FACILITIES. AND OF COURSE, INVESTING IN OUR FUTURE IS GOING TO BE DRIVEN BY RATE STUDIES THAT WILL ALSO PROPEL US TO HAVE FIRST TIME CITY GETTING HANDS AROUND.
DO WE HAVE A FINANCIAL MASTER PLAN TO SUPPORT ALL THE MASTER PLANS THAT I LISTED? AND THE ANSWER IS YES. WE WILL HAVE FINANCIAL MASTER PLANNING PROCESS STARTING AND ALREADY STARTED WITH STORMWATER UTILITY.
SO THE VISION HERE IS PILLARS THAT WE BUILD. AND IT KIND OF REMINDS US ROME.
AND HOPEFULLY WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THIS THING IN TEN YEARS INSTEAD OF 100 YEARS.
WE'LL CALL THAT WE BUILT NAPLES IN TEN YEARS.
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STARTS OFFSHORE. CAN WE DISSIPATE THE ENERGY OF THE WAVES AND STORM SURGE COMING AT US AND BREAK THE WAVE ENERGY AND SURGE ENERGY OFFSHORE BEFORE IT HITS ONSHORE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE FULL.ENERGY BEING DISSIPATED ONSHORE. THAT'S OUR HOMES.
THAT'S OUR CONDOS. THAT'S OUR DUNES. THAT'S OUR COASTAL AREA.
SO OFFSHORE PROTECTION BEING THE PILLAR ONE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I PUT APPROPRIATE EMPHASIS THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE DRIVEN BY FEDERAL STATE AGENCIES AND GOVERNMENTS, INCLUDING OUR COLLIER COUNTY, BEING THE FACILITATOR IN TERMS OF ARTIFICIAL REEF PROGRAM.
WE ALREADY HAVE THAT GOES ON WITH OUR COLLIER COUNTY COASTAL ZONE MANAGEMENT.
AND WHAT CITY CAN DO, CANNOT DO THROUGH INFLUENCE WILL BRIEFLY GO TO AT THE END AND WILL SHOW YOU THE CHART POTENTIAL ROLE OUR CITY MIGHT HAVE. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OFFSHORE PROTECTION PILLAR ONE IS AMBITIOUS LONG TERM.
THE CONCEPT IS VERY SIMPLE BREAK THE SURGE AND WAVE ENERGY BEFORE IT HITS OUR COASTLINE.
ONSHORE PROTECTION IS SOMEWHAT OVERLAP, BUT STILL DRIVEN BY FEDERAL FUNDS, STATE FUNDS, COUNTY FUNDS, MOSTLY TDC AND AND IMPLEMENTED, EXECUTED, PLANNED BY COUNTY, STATE, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND AGENCIES THERE. AND WE'RE THE FACILITATOR AND PARTNER IN THAT PROCESS.
AND INLAND PROTECTION THREE IS MOSTLY WITHIN OUR CONTROL.
THAT'S OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM AND STORMWATER UTILITY.
CAN WE CAN WE MOVE THE WATER. LET'S SAY IRMA EVENT.
WORST CASE SCENARIO. CAN WE MOVE IRMA EVENT STORMWATER COMING DOWN THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF NAPLES.
CAN WE MOVE THAT WATER OFF OUR UTILITY SYSTEM AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE CRITICAL FLOODING? WE MIGHT END UP WITH SOME NUISANCE FLOODING LEFT, BUT CAN WE MOVE THAT WATER FAST? THE ANSWER IS CURRENTLY WE CANNOT. IN THE FUTURE, YES, WE PLAN TO.
AND THE DIFFERENCE IS FIVE YEAR OR TEN YEAR, ONE DAY AND ONE HOUR STORM EVENT TO 25 YEAR, SEVEN TWO HOUR STORM EVENT WITH THE PEAK FLOWS.
75 YEAR EIGHT HOUR PEAK FLOW EVENTS THAT IS EQUIVALENT TO IRMA AND OUR DESIGN CRITERIA AND LOSS WE'RE UPDATING THROUGH OUR IR AND LEVEL OF SERVICE ALREADY REFLECTS THAT.
SO WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THAT PROCESS, AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT OUR CURRENT LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR STORMWATER IS NOT ADEQUATE, AND THEREFORE WE HAVE TO IMPROVE, INCREASE OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD AND WORK TOWARD AND GET IT DONE AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE.
I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND A GREAT DEAL OF TIME ON PILLAR ONE.
THIS IS SIMPLY SHOWING FOCUS ON INVOLVEMENT OF FEDERAL AGENCIES, STATE AGENCIES LISTED AS YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN AND OF COURSE, LOCAL COALITION THAT WE'RE MAKING IT STRONGER AS WE GO FORWARD.
AND OF COURSE, RELIABILITY ENGINEERING ON EVERYTHING WE DO IS GOING TO BE ONE OF THE FUNDAMENTAL DRIVING FORCE FUELED BY THE FUNDING RESOURCES THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. ONSHORE PROTECTION IS AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT MULTI-AGENCY EFFORTS, AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OPTIONS AND ALTERNATIVES OUT THERE.
ACTUALLY SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE SOME OF THE DEMOLITION CAME FROM OUR PIER RECONSTRUCT DID GO TO CITIES, ARTIFICIAL REEFS TO SITES THAT WE GOT PERMITTED.
SO IT'S A, IT'S A PROCESS LONG TIME, BUT IT'S ON OUR RADAR.
WE WORK ON IT. AND OF COURSE THE PILLAR TWO GOING INTO PILLAR THREE, YOU CAN SEE THE CONCEPT HERE BREAK THE ENERGY AND STORM SURGE OFFSHORE AND MANAGE WHAT WE CAN MANAGE ONSHORE.
AND THEN RAINFALL EVENT COMING FROM THESE STORMWATER EVENTS.
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TROPICAL STORMS AND TO THE EXTENT RAIN EVENTS IN THE FORM OF M-CLASS HURRICANES.HOW WE CAN MANAGE IT. STORMWATER UTILITY IMPLEMENTATION ALREADY BEING INITIATED IN PROGRESS.
WE HAVE A CONSULTANT FIRM INCLUDING EXPERTISE FROM LEGAL, FINANCIAL, ENGINEERING AND MODELING THAT COUNCIL APPROVED. AND WE'RE LOOKING INTO HOW WE CAN BUILD ONE OF THE MOST ROBUST STORMWATER UTILITY THAT STATE OF FLORIDA WILL HAVE. AND THE REASON IT'S FEASIBLE, AT LEAST IN MY MIND, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT FUNDAMENTAL FOR FUNDAMENTAL WORK AND FOUNDATION HAS BEEN LAID OUT, BEFORE I CAME ON BOARD BY OUR CITY AND CITY MANAGER.
AND THAT IS THE STORMWATER RATE STRUCTURE. FEE STRUCTURE.
AND. AND WHEN THE WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY COMES UP, OUR CITY MANAGER WILL BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT.
THAT WAS EXPEDITED. ONE OF THE FAST PROCESS I HAVE SEEN GETTING A FINANCIAL FRAMEWORK IN PLACE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE STORMWATER UTILITY WITH AMBITIOUS GOALS ACHIEVABLE, POSSIBLE, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE FUNDING BEHIND IT.
I JUST WANT TO PUT EMPHASIS ON THAT ONE. SO WHAT ARE THE VISION AND BENEFITS? I TRULY THINK THAT THE CITY OF NAPLES, WITH KNOW HOW RESOURCES AND EXPERTISE WE HAVE OUTSOURCE AS WELL AS IN-HOUSE THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BECOME NATIONAL MODEL FOR COASTAL INFRASTRUCTURE RESILIENCY, ENHANCING SAFETY AND PROTECTING PROPERTY, PRESERVING THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF ICONIC NAPLES, ENHANCING AND MODERNIZING OUR CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE INFRASTRUCTURE TO THE POINT THAT FROM BOTTOM UP, WE'RE BUILDING NEW SUBDIVISIONS.
WE CALL THAT CITY PIER. I'LL BRIEFLY TOUCH UPON THAT.
SO THIS IS THE CHART THAT I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING THAT YOU CAN SEE RELIABILITY.
ENGINEERING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IS THE FOUNDATION FOR THOSE PILLARS.
AND OF COURSE, YOU CAN SEE THAT UNDER OFFSHORE PROTECTION.
AND. YOU CAN SEE THAT UNDER OFFSHORE PROTECTION ONE AND ONSHORE PROTECTION PILLAR THREE. IF I'M GOING TO GO DOWN, YOU CAN SEE IT'S MORE 80% ON THE FEDERAL, STATE AND COALITION THAT WE MIGHT HAVE. THAT INCLUDES COLLIER COUNTY AND REGIONAL ENTITIES LIKE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICTS AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
BUT WHAT THAT TELLS YOU IS THAT BIG PART OF OFFSHORE AND ONSHORE PILLARS ONE AND TWO IS GOING TO BE UNDER FEDERAL, STATE AND REGIONAL JURISDICTIONS. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, INLAND PROTECTION, WE HAVE THE CITY OF NAPLES.
THAT'S A VERY BOLD INITIATIVE. AND BE ABLE TO SAY THAT WE WILL MOVE FORWARD TO HANDLE PILLAR THREE WITHIN OUR MEANS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, AND TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.
SO LET'S GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT WHERE WE STARTED.
WE STARTED WITH ALL THE INVESTMENTS THAT THE CITY OF NAPLES HAS ALREADY PUT IN PLACE.
AND THAT'S NOT JUST TIME, BUT ALSO MONEY AND RESOURCES.
YES, SIR. EXCUSE ME. SHOULD WE HOLD OUR QUESTIONS FOR THE END OR LET THEM GET THROUGH? OKAY. OKAY. SO IN 2018, CITY INVESTED STORMWATER MASTER PLAN UPDATE AND 2020 CITY COMPLETED.
BASIN FOR STORMWATER ANALYSIS. AND IN 2024, CITY COMPLETED MULTIPLE BASIN ASSESSMENT USING CONSULTANTS. AND OF COURSE, IN 2025, OUR CONSULTANT MADE THE PRESENTATION ON FOR BASINS AND
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WE INCLUDED BASIN FOR BECAME FIFTH BASIN BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE ALREADY INVESTED IN BASIN FOR.SO IT NEEDED TO BE INCLUDED IN THOSE FOR BASIN ASSESSMENTS.
STORMWATER BASINS. OKAY. SO THE STUDY I'M REFERRING HERE IN 2025 LOOKED INTO ONLY FOUR.
WE ADDED FIFTH BASINS OUT OF 12. IT'S NOT CITYWIDE.
SO WHEN WE SAY MULTI BAYESIAN, I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S CLEAR AND NOT MISUNDERSTOOD.
MULTI BAYESIAN ADDRESSES ONLY FOUR OUT OF 12.
WE ADDED BAYESIAN FOUR. THAT'S FIVE OUT OF 12.
AND ONE OTHER CLARIFICATION. EVEN THOUGH STUDY INCLUDED FIVE BAYESIANS.
BUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR IMPROVEMENTS WERE NOT 100% OF THE BAYESIANS MENTIONED THEY WERE FOCUSED AREAS, PROBLEM AREAS IN THOSE BASINS. WITH THAT, IN 2025 AND 26 WITH OUR TEAM ON BOARD WE DID MAKE THIS PRESENTATION IN TERMS OF SHIFTING GEARS AND PIVOTING FROM INVESTING MORE THAN 80% OF FUNDING WE HAVE FOR STORMWATER SYSTEMS TO FOR BASINS OR FIVE BASINS OR PORTIONS OF THOSE BASINS DECISION WAS MADE. LET'S HAVE A CITY WIDE APPROACH AND ADDRESS ALL OF THE HOTSPOTS, BASIN BY BASIN, AND ADDRESS ALL THE CHALLENGES WE HAVE THROUGHOUT THE 12 BASINS, AND WE CALL THEM BASIN BY BASIN APPROACH, WHICH IS INTERMEDIATE OR INTERIM MEASURES.
SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT TEN, 15, 20 YEARS TO GO BACK TO THOSE BASINS FOR US TO BRING RESOLUTION.
AND I'LL SPEAK TO THAT MORE A LITTLE IN THE FUTURE.
SO I'M GOING TO FOCUS ON HERE, PILLAR THREE VISION.
AND AND IF YOU'RE WONDERING, OKAY, WE TALKED ABOUT THE SHORT TERM, INTERMEDIATE TERM, LONG TERM, AND WOULD YOU PLEASE DIVE INTO AND SHOW US WHAT YOU GOT? SO THIS IS KIND OF HIGH LEVEL, WHAT WE HAVE IS PARALLEL TRACK IRA IMMEDIATE REMEDIAL ACTION.
THAT MEANS IF THERE IS A IF THERE IS A EVEN NUISANCE FLOODING, WE DO NOT IGNORE.
WE SEND OUR CREWS OUT THERE, INVESTIGATE, IDENTIFY IF THE ORIGINAL DESIGN IS WORKING.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THAT WE'RE DISCOVERING THAT HAS NOT BEEN MAINTAINED TO DO INDUSTRIAL STANDARDS AS FAR AS CLEANING, MAINTAINING SPOT REPAIRS AND LINING THOSE SYSTEMS. AND THEN THAT MOVES US TO SHORT TERM BASIN BY BASIN THREE B'S THAT I'M GOING TO SPEAK TO FURTHER.
AND OF COURSE, WE TALKED ABOUT LONG TERM C2 PURE PROGRAM.
WHAT THAT MEANS IS PUBLIC UTILITIES RENEWABLE PROGRAM.
THAT'S WATER, SEWER IRRIGATION, WATER, STORM WATER TRANSPORTATION SERVICES, TRAFFIC OPERATIONS AS THE COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH SO THAT WE DON'T GO TO NEIGHBORHOODS MULTIPLE TIMES AND DIG OR DISTURB OR RECONSTRUCT WHAT WE NEED TO DO THAT WE CAN DO BUILD A NEW SUBDIVISION TO CURRENT STANDARDS.
SO WE HAVE A CASE STUDY FOR BASIN FOR AND EXAMPLE OF EXAMPLE OF INITIAL REMEDIAL ACTION WAS SIMPLY MOVING THERE. IT STARTED LAST JUNE AND IT WAS JUNE 19TH THAT WE WERE ABLE TO LAST YEAR.
VFD THAT MEANS VARIABLE FREQUENCY DRIVE DIESEL PUMP STATION WITH ALL THE SCADA, SCADA, MEANING SUPERVISORY CONTROL AND DATA ACQUISITION. THAT MEANS ONE REMOTELY CAN OPERATE, TURN ON OFF OR MAKE ADJUSTMENTS REMOTELY WITHOUT BEING ON SITE.
SO WE PUT THAT SYSTEM IN THERE. EXCEPTIONAL AMERICAN ENGINEERING AND INGENUITY.
IT IS AS GOOD AS CUSTOM ENGINEERING DESIGN. BUT IT'S PORTABLE.
SO WE WERE ABLE TO PUT IT THERE AS A PILOT PROGRAM.
AND IT WORKED VERY WELL LAST STORM SEASON. AND WE GOT FEEDBACK FROM OUR CUSTOMER BASE.
IT DID A FAIRLY GOOD JOB. AND OUR CUSTOMER BASE WAS VERY SATISFIED, ESPECIALLY ON
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17TH AVENUE SOUTH. ONE OF THE HOT AREAS AND HOT SPOTS.DAVE I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAN SHOW THIS. AS THE VIDEO OR NOT.
PLEASE. NOT TO. BACKWATERS. ELEVATIONS. THANK YOU SIR.
SO WHAT YOU HAVE SEEN THERE IS WE HAVE A HIGH TIDE.
I CALL LANE 17TH AVE. IT'S ONE OF THE LARGEST CUL DE SACS.
JUST THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH WATER WAS COMING OUT OF THAT CUL DE SAC.
IF IT WAS A GRAVITY SYSTEM WHERE YOU HAVE FEW INCHES OF WATER TRYING TO PUSH AMOUNT OF WATER THAT YOU HAVE SEEN. THAT'S WHERE THE GRAVITY SYSTEM FAILS BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PRESSURE DIFFERENCE.
THAT'S WHY OUR APPROACH HAS BEEN, LET'S NOT JUST RELY ON GRAVITY SYSTEM.
LET'S HAVE A HYBRID SYSTEM. GRAVITY SYSTEM CAN COLLECT AND CONVEY THE STORMWATER WHERE IT DOES GOOD JOB, BUT WHERE IT CANNOT. WE WILL INSTALL PUMP STATIONS AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE UNDERGROUND, SIMILAR TO WASTEWATER PUMP STATIONS INVISIBLE TO OUR PUBLIC AND CUSTOMERS. OH, BY THE WAY, WE HAVE 128 UNDERGROUND WASTEWATER PUMP STATIONS INVISIBLE TO OUR CUSTOMERS.
WE'RE REMOVING WASTEWATER THROUGH THOSE PUMP STATIONS, INCLUDING 80 PLUS PERCENT BEING THE GRAVITY SYSTEM AND VISUALIZE THAT FOR STORMWATER. I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HUNDREDS OF PUMP STATIONS WHERE NEEDED.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE PROJECTS AS PILOT PROGRAM BEING DESIGNED AND COUNCIL ALREADY APPROVED BECAUSE OF THE LESSONS LEARNED FROM MOBILE SYSTEM, PROVEN THAT WE HAVE A CONCEPT OF ENGINEERING PROOF.
WE CAN MOVE TO PERMANENT ENGINEERING DESIGN, AND WE CAN INVEST KNOWING LESSONS LEARNED.
TALKING ABOUT LONG TERM CITY. ONE OF THE CITY PROGRAMS HAVE BEEN ALREADY APPROVED BY.
OUR COUNCIL IS THE EAST RIVER PARK EAST, WHICH IS A CRA TERRITORY.
HOWEVER, IT'S PART OF THE BASIN TWO. AND THERE.
WE ALREADY HAVE ENGINEERING CONSULTANT WORKING AND WE WILL HAVE OUR FIRST ORIENTATION AND GUIDANCE MEETING SCHEDULED THIS WEEK AND NEXT WEEK. SO THAT'S ALREADY IN PROGRESS OF DESIGN, WHAT THAT CITY IS GOING TO DO AS FAR AS THE RIVER PARK IS. IT WILL, IT WILL DESIGN AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO CONSTRUCTION FOR NEW DRINKING WATER PIPES. THEY ARE ABOUT MORE THAN 50 YEARS OLD AC PIPES, MEANING ASBESTOS, ASBESTOS CONTAINING CONCRETE COMPOSITE PIPES.
THEY WORK VERY WELL, BUT THEY ARE OLD, VERY TOUGH TO MAINTAIN.
IF YOU HAVE A WATER MAIN BREAK, YOU DON'T WANT ANYTHING AIRBORNE.
THEREFORE, YOUR PPE REQUIREMENTS, REPAIRS, DELAYED REPAIRS BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT YOU'RE HANDLING SOMETHING AIRBORNE THAT NEEDS TO BE HANDLED JUST ABOVE AND BEYOND PVC PIPE. SO THE GOAL HERE IS GO THERE, REPLACE ALL THE DRINKING WATER PIPES.
THEY ARE AC ASBESTOS CONTAINING COMPOSITE CONCRETE PIPES.
REPLACE ALL AND ALL REBUILD MEANING LINE WHERE WE CAN LINE IN SITU OUR SANITARY DOMESTIC WASTEWATER SYSTEM TO SPOT REPAIRS, PUT NEW MANHOLES AND REPLACE ALL SERVICE LINES FOR POTABLE WATER WASTEWATER. ALONG WITH THAT, HAVE BRAND NEW FIRE HYDRANTS, FIRE HYDRANT
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FEEDERS AT TOP OF IT. BUILD A BRAND NEW STORMWATER SYSTEM, INCLUDING TWO PUMP STATIONS IN RIVER PARK EAST.AT LEAST DESIGNED CONCEPTUALLY FOR NOW AND BE ABLE TO GET THAT COMMUNITY.
THAT'S A THREE FINGER STREET. FULL SCALE DEMONSTRATION PROJECT FOR US AND BUILD IT INSIDE OUT SO THAT THAT AREA BECOMES ONE OF THE NEWEST SUBDIVISION BUILT IN COLLIER COUNTY.
BY THE TIME WE'RE DONE, IT WILL BE THE NEWEST SUBDIVISION IN COLLIER COUNTY IN TERMS OF CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, AS WE LISTED BEFORE, WATER, SEWER IQ, SANITARY SEWER HYDRANTS, BACKFLOW PREVENTION DEVICES, SERVICE LINES TO THE HOMES, ROADS, ROADS, ELEVATIONS, AND OF COURSE, STORMWATER SYSTEM.
THAT'S HOW MUCH WE MOVED. THAT'S HOW FAST THIS GREAT CITY IS MOVING.
PARALLEL TRACKS IN TERMS OF GOING AFTER THE CHALLENGE WE GOT.
SO WHAT ARE THE INITIAL REMEDIAL ACTION EXAMPLES CITYWIDE? WELL, WE HAVE BASED ON ONE SWAN LAKE MOBILE PUMP STATION BEING THERE STAGED FOR THE PURPOSE OF TROPICAL STORM EVENTS.
BAYESIAN THREE COVE PUMP STATION WAS STAGED. AND ACTUALLY WE HAVE USED THAT LAST WEEK DURING OUR HEAVY RAIN EVENT. AND IT WAS NEEDED. OTHERWISE IT WOULD BACK UP AND WE WOULD HAVE DOWNSTREAM SWALLOWING MORE THAN NUISANCE FLOODING. WE WOULD HAVE CRITICAL FLOODING IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT CONTINGENCY IN PLACE. SO IT SHOWS YOU THAT RELIABILITY ENGINEERING PAYS OFF.
IT SHOWS YOU THAT RELIABILITY ENGINEERING IS NOT JUST REDUNDANCY.
IT IS OPTIMIZING WHAT WE GOT SO THAT IF WE ELIMINATE SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE, SO THAT WE HAVE SYSTEMS IN PLACE, THAT REDUNDANCY KICKS IN AND CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE SERVICES ARE SUSTAINED AND CONTINUED WITHOUT INTERRUPTION BASED ON FOR 17TH AVENUE. WE TALKED ABOUT IT BASED ON SEVEN CRA.
WE ALSO HAVE A MOBILE PUMP STATION THERE. AND IT DID OPERATE.
IT KICKED IN DURING RAIN EVENT THAT WE HAD LAST WEEK.
AND THAT REMINDED ME ALMOST LOCALIZED TROPICAL STORM FAY.
IF YOU IF ANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH, YOU'LL REMEMBER THE TROPICAL STORM FAY AND THE RAINFALL CAME FROM TROPICAL STORM FAY WAS CLOSE TO IRMA. SO JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE HURRICANE DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE RAINFALL EQUIVALENT TO THOSE KIND OF STORM EVENTS.
AND THEN THAT'S OUR INITIAL REMEDIAL ACTION MOVE, MOBILE PUMP STATIONS WHERE WE NEED IT, WHERE WE DISCOVERED THAT WE NEED BEFORE EVERY HURRICANE SEASON AND OR TROPICAL STORM SEASON.
AND THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO GO UP. LAST YEAR WE HAD ONE, THIS YEAR WE HAVE FOUR.
AND NEXT YEAR I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SIX.
KNOWING THAT WE HAVE TWO OTHER LOCATIONS THAT WE MAY HAVE TO MOVE THOSE MOBILE STATIONS.
BUT WHAT ELSE WE'RE DOING PARALLEL TRACK. WELL, INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR IT TO PROGRAM, WE'RE SAYING, CAN WE DO THINGS THAT WILL BE PART OF CITY PROGRAM WITHOUT REDESIGNING, RECONSTRUCTING, BUT PUT IN PLACE SO THAT IT'S A RELIEF TO HOTSPOTS AND HOT ZONES AND AREAS OF CONCERNS WITHIN AND ALL OF THE 12 BASINS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION BY HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS AND ALL OUR CUSTOMER BASE AND COMMUNITY LEADERS AND OUR STAFF, MYSELF, MY CITY MANAGER, YOUNG, ALL EARS. WE HAVE LISTENED.
WE TOOK NOTES. WE WENT TO THE FIELD, IDENTIFY, LOOKED INTO, CONFIRMED AND MOVE THEM TO THREE B'S BASIN BY BASIN PROJECTS. AND YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE LIST WE HAVE CLOSE TO 28 TO 30 BASIN BY BASIN PROJECTS THAT WE INITIATED. AND SO FAR, I'M PLEASED TO REPORT THAT HALF A DOZEN OF THEM ARE ALREADY IN PROGRESS IN TERMS OF PROCUREMENT, BRINGING ENGINEERS ON BOARD. AND SOME OF THEM WE ALREADY HAVE IN PROGRESS WHERE WE'RE NEGOTIATING THE CONTRACTS.
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AS YOU CAN SEE, SEPTEMBER 16TH, BASIN THREE, EAST LAKE THREE B WAS APPROVED AND SEPTEMBER 16TH.ANOTHER THREE BEES BASED ON FOR 17TH AVE WAS APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL.
IT'S A VALUE ENGINEERING. SO INSTEAD OF PLUGGING THOSE EIGHT OUTFALL PIPES WE'RE LOOKING INTO TEMPORARY TEMPORARY WALLS THAT WILL CLOSE THOSE. HOWEVER, WE WILL NOT ELIMINATE OPPORTUNITY FOR NEAR FUTURE OR FUTURE USE OF THOSE GRAVITY MAINS.
AND THAT WILL BE THE PHASE TWO TO OUR OUTFALL PROJECT WHERE TWO PUMP STATIONS FOR OUTFALL PROJECT DESIGNED TO DISCHARGE ABOVE AND BEYOND AND MUCH MORE THAN THIS.
EIGHT. GRAVITY PIPELINES WOULD BE ABLE TO DISCHARGE STORMWATER, BUT THIS IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS.
AND THAT'S ONE EXAMPLE THAT I DID WANT TO SHARE WITH THIS BOARD.
AS MY MANAGER, YOUNG AND I TALKED ABOUT AND DISCUSSED WITH THE AIR AS WELL AS OUR CONTRACTOR, AND THEY ARE ALL AWARE OF THAT CONCEPT AND ON OUR RADAR.
EXAMPLES OF CITY WIDE PILLAR THREE CITY PIER PROGRAM BASED IN TWO CONSTRUCTION PHASE PART OF THE OUTFALL PROJECT. WE CONSIDER THAT CITY PIER. AND BY DEFAULT WHAT HAPPENED WAS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR PROJECT AND THANKS TO OUR LEADERSHIP, IT WAS AUTHORIZED AND ENCOURAGED TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL CONFLICTING WATER SEWER IQ INFRASTRUCTURE ALSO GETS REBUILT AROUND THIS STORMWATER PROJECT.
SO IT'S A CITY PURE PROGRAM ALREADY STARTED, AND WE CONVERT IT TO CITY PURE PROGRAM, PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE HAD TO REBUILD POTABLE WATER LINES, SANITARY SEWER REFLECTIONS AND IRRIGATION WATER CONFLICT AND, AND THE CONFLICT THING GOING ON ON THAT BASIN TO OUTFALL PROJECT CITY BASIN FOR DESIGN PHASE.
WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND BASIN FIVE RFP SCOPE PHASE CITY BASIN.
EIGHT THAT'S ALREADY IN DESIGN PHASE AS APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL ON IN SEPTEMBER 16TH.
CITY PILOT PHASE FOUR ALSO APPROVED BY COUNCIL ALREADY UNDER AN ACCOMPANYING AGENDA ITEMS SEVEN, EIGHT AND SEVEN. I NOW I'M MAKING THIS SOUND EASY AND SIMPLE.
I WANT TO JUST BRIEFLY SHARE WITH YOU THAT THERE IS A PROCUREMENT PIECE.
THERE IS A SOLICITATION PIECE. THERE IS A GOING THROUGH THE PROCESS WITH OUR COMMUNITY HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, LISTENING TO OUR CUSTOMERS IDENTIFYING HOTSPOTS AND BUY IN PIECE.
AND AS IMPORTANTLY, WITHOUT FUNDING, NONE OF THESE IS FEASIBLE.
SO ON THIS CHART, I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO. INVITE OUR CITY MANAGER AT HIS DISCRETION, BRIEFLY SPEAK TO HOW DYNAMIC OUR FUNDS AND FUND MANAGEMENT AND RESOURCE ALLOCATIONS ARE.
WE STARTED WITH PLACEHOLDER 51 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS TOTAL $65 MILLION FOR MULTI BASIN STUDY THAT WOULD ADDRESS PORTIONS OF FOUR BASINS AND BASIN FIVE WAS ADDED.
NOW YOU'LL SEE ON THIS CHART THROUGH INNOVATIVE AND PROGRESSIVE APPROACH AND REPRIORITIZATION OF THE FUNDING THAT WILL FUEL ALL THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT CAN BE SUMMARIZED ON THIS ONE PAGE.
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AND BY YOUR LEAVE OUR CITY MANAGER. I WOULD APPRECIATE IF YOU CAN BRIEFLY, BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ARTICULATE MUCH BETTER THAN I DO.THANK YOU. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A FLAVOR FOR WHERE WE'VE COME IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO, AS YOU KNOW, CITY COUNCIL IMPLEMENTED IN DECEMBER A FOUR YEAR PHASE IN RATE INCREASE OF 100%, WHICH WOULD BE A 25% EACH OF THE NEXT FOUR YEARS FOR STORMWATER. AS MANY AS YOU HAVE SEEN IN DOCTOR GEORGE ALLUDED TO, THE ACCOM WAS FIVE BASINS BY THE TIME IT WAS DONE, AND IT. IT PRESUPPOSED YOU WOULD NEED ROUGHLY $600 MILLION TO ACCOMPLISH.
SO WHEN I TOOK OVER AS CITY MANAGER, ONE OF THE THINGS I SAID IS, IS IF YOU WANTED TO PROVIDE SOME STABILITY, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO HAVE A LONG TERM TRAJECTORY TO DEAL WITH THESE INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES.
AND, AND I THINK THAT THAT MOVE SETS THE TABLE FOR HOW WE CAN ACCOMPLISH THAT, BECAUSE I'LL REMIND YOU THAT THE $100 MILLION WAS COBBLED TOGETHER BY GETTING $45 MILLION FROM THE STATE. WE USED 13 MILLION OF THE $0.01 SALES TAX.
TDC COUNTY GAVE US 10 MILLION OUT OF THEIR TDC.
SO WE'RE AT ROUGHLY $70 MILLION. THAT WAS DONE BY OUTSIDE RESOURCES.
SO THAT FOUR YEAR PHASE IN GENERATES $168 MILLION OVER 20 YEARS, WHICH PROVIDES THE SEED MONEY THAT YOU CAN LEVERAGE AGAINST THAT LATERAL POOL TO STATE, LOCAL AND COUNTY FUNDS TO ASSIST US WITH PROJECTS.
SO THAT'S THE FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE. INSTEAD OF HAVING HARDLY ANY SITTING THERE, WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE THE FUNDING AND THEN WE GO FARTHER BY WAY OF LEVERAGING WHAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT PLEDGED TO IT BY HAVING PROJECTS READY, SHOVEL READY.
AND I HATE THAT EXPRESSION, BUT IT'S TRUE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE THEM IN DESIGN, AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE ENOUGH OF THEM IN FREQUENCY THAT YOU CAN AFFORD TO DO THEM ON YOUR OWN, BUT YOU CAN LEVERAGE THEM AGAINST OTHER DOLLARS.
AND THAT'S THE ATTEMPT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IN THAT REGARD. SO FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHERE WE WERE FROM IS TWO YEARS AGO, AND WHEN I CONVINCED COUNCIL IN DECEMBER THAT, LOOK, WE COULD DO ANOTHER 60, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEXT BIG PROJECT WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE. EVEN IF I'M STARTING TWO, IT'S GOING TO BE 20, 30 MILLION.
THEY HAD PROJECTIONS IN THE A COM AND I SAID, IF I'M GOING TO TACKLE THOSE NUMBERS ONE, TWO AND THREE, I NEED $65 MILLION. SO THEN LO AND BEHOLD, WE GET TO THIS YEAR, THEY DO THE RATE INCREASE AND THEN WE START THINKING ABOUT, WELL, IT'S ONLY FIVE BASINS. AND GEORGE SAYS, WELL, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HIT ALL OF THEM AND MUTUAL AGREEMENT ON THAT.
SO THAT'S 65. WHILE IT WAS A PLACEHOLDER AND SAID, WE NEED TO HAVE DEBT CAPACITY AND ABILITY TO PAY.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE YET. THIS SHOWS THEM NOW STARTING TO GET BAKED OUT IN ALL THE BASINS, RIGHT? AND SO I'LL REMIND YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT IT HERE, YOU HAVE THE BASIN FOR PRIORITY.
THAT'S THE DESIGN. EXCUSE ME. AND THEN THERE'S A MILLION.
FIVE THIS YEAR. 15,000,027. 28. WHY IS THAT? WE BELIEVE.
SO IF WE BUDGET 4.5 MILLION OR 2.5 MILLION FOR DESIGN, NOW WE'RE STARTING RIVER PARK EAST IN 2019.
WE'RE GOING TO START RIVER PARK WEST DESIGN IN 20 AND 2020, EXCUSE ME, 2019 AND 2026 AND 2027.
WE'LL START THE RIVER PARK EAST COVE PUMP. IT'S DOWN HERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PAGE.
IT'S BURIED. IT'S NOT UP IN THE GREEN SECTION.
BUT IF YOU GO ALONG THERE, YOU'LL SEE WHERE JUST BELOW THE RED 500,000 IS THE COVE PUMP.
AND 18 MILLION BY 27, 28. SO THE POINT OF THIS IS, IS NOW IT'S NOT A LUMP SUM THEORETICAL NUMBER.
WHAT CAN WE DO TO GET US THROUGH. RIGHT. WE DIDN'T INHERIT THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, BUT WE GOT SHORT TERM PROBLEMS. WE HAVE INTERMEDIATE STEPS WE CAN TAKE. AND THEN WE HAVE LONG TERM TOTAL REPLACEMENT.
AND THAT'S AN INITIATIVE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE.
SO THIS BREAKOUT SHOWS YOU THE AREAS IN WHICH THEY'RE GOING TO BE DONE.
DEMONSTRATES TO YOU. AND THIS IS ONLY A SMIDGEN OF IT.
YOU KNOW, HE ALLUDED TO GEORGE, ALLUDED TO THE CRA FIRST, 10TH AND 12TH HAS $18 MILLION FOR THE THE STORMWATER AND STREETSCAPE REPLACEMENT ON FIRST, 10TH AND 12TH. IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER 14 MILLION IN WATER AND SANITARY SEWER LINE REPLACEMENT.
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THEY JUST FUNDED THE RIVER PARK EAST AT 22 MILLION DESIGN AND THEN 22,000,000 IN 2 YEARS OUT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION.AND OH, BY THE WAY, YOU HAVE ANOTHER 14 MILLION IN WATER AND SEWER LINES INVOLVED IN THAT.
SO THESE PROJECTS ARE MASSIVE. TAKE TIME TO DESIGN.
BUT ALSO JUST THE NORMAL SERVICE AND MAINTENANCE OF CLEANING, ETC..
THIS COUNCIL RECOGNIZES IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT HOW MANY PROJECTS WE CAN GET DONE BECAUSE NOW THEY'RE ON A, ON A SLIDING SCALE AND HOW FAST CAN YOU GET THEM DESIGNED? BUT YOU ALSO HAVE THINGS LIKE THE, THEY BOUGHT A TRAILER TO, TO BE ABLE TO TELEVISE THEM.
RIGHT NOW, WE OUTSOURCED EVERY SINGLE BIT OF IT.
SO THE POINT BEING IS, IS WE'RE NOT JUST MOVING IN ONE DIRECTION.
THESE ARE THE CAPITAL INVESTMENTS SHOWING WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IN ALL OF THOSE AREAS, BUT ALSO RECOGNIZE THERE WAS MORE TO BE DONE ON THE MAINTENANCE SIDE AS WELL. AND SO THAT'S AN ONGOING THING.
AND THE REASON I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THIS MEETING, AND I'LL JUST GENERAL DISCUSSION FOR US TO BE HERE BEFORE THE NOVEMBER IS WE'RE CONTINUOUSLY REVIEWING EVERY ONE OF OUR PROJECTS, ALL OF OUR CAPITAL INVESTMENT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE.
AND HE REFERS TO IT IN THIS SLIDE AS THE CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN OR AND RESILIENCY PLAN.
I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE WHEN YOU THINK OF THE COMP PLAN, I'LL TRY TO GET IT.
AND WE REFER TO A RESILIENCY DOCUMENT. YOU GO BACK TO THE AUGUST MEETING.
THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME IT WAS ALL BROUGHT TOGETHER UNDER A ROOF.
WE HAVE. AND I SAID IT SHOULD BE A LIVING, BREATHING DOCUMENT THAT WE UPDATE FOR COUNCIL EVERY SINGLE YEAR, BRINGING INTO THOSE THINGS THE CIP THAT WE'RE ALSO HAVING A FIVE YEAR PLAN ON SO THAT EVERYONE IS ON THE SAME PAGE.
SO THAT'S HOW THESE BUILD UPON EACH OTHER. AND SO I'M GOING TO TAKE THAT LIBERTY TO AT LEAST HAVE SAID THAT WE TAKE THE LANGUAGE YOU WANT IN THE COMP PLAN TO SAY, HOW IS IT? IS IT IS IT PRESCRIPTIVE, BUT ALSO UNDERSTAND THE SPECIFICITY IN THE OTHER AREAS THAT PROVIDE THAT DOCUMENT THAT YOU, BY HEADER AND DEFINITION SHALL BE UPDATED ANNUALLY, OR SHALL WHATEVER GETS YOU TO BRIDGING TO A COMFORT LEVEL.
IT'S ROUGHLY 1632 A MONTH. SO IT WAS A $4 INCREASE.
AND WE'RE POISED TO BE IN POSITION IN 2728 TO FINANCE $50 MILLION WORTH OF PROJECTS IF NEED BE.
THAT IS A HUGE THING, AND IT'S A GRADUAL IMPLEMENTATION THAT WASN'T TRYING TO JUST STACK UP MONEY.
IF WE DON'T HAVE PROJECTS THAT ARE READY TO GO, THEN WE CAN PHASE IT IN TIMELY AND MAKE SURE BY THE TIME WE ARE, WE HAVE CAPACITY AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS DESIGNED TO DO.
SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT AND I WILL ANSWER ANY SPECIFICS.
BUT THIS SLIDE IS IMPORTANT JUST TO SEE. AND IT REALLY IS TAKING CARE OF THE FUNDAMENTALS THAT GEORGE ILLUSTRATED OUTSIDE OF THOSE THINGS ARE ALREADY BEING FUNDED OUT OF THE CRA AND OTHER PROJECTS. SO I'D LIKE TO BUILD EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS HAVE PRESENTED IS LIKE AWESOME.
AND I THINK AND AND I PERSONALLY HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS PRETTY CLOSELY AS IT'S GONE ON OVER THE LAST NINE MONTHS, 12 MONTHS, WHATEVER. AND THEN LISTENING TO THE PRESENTATION, I THINK IT WAS BACK IN MARCH WITH CITY COUNCIL ON THIS.
IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT? OKAY. I MEAN, I REMEMBER SITTING IN THAT PRESENTATION AND IT'S LIKE, WHAT I'M TRYING TO RECONCILE IS WHY WOULD YOU GUYS ARE DESCRIBING ISN'T MORE OBVIOUS IN OUR RESILIENCY ELEMENT IN THE COMP PLAN.
AND SO, AND THEN THE OTHER ASPECT OF IT, AND YOU TOUCHED ON IT IN A FEW PLACES, THE, THE, THE COOPERATION AND THE FUNDING THAT WE'RE REALLY SEEKING FROM THESE OTHER ENTITIES.
I KNOW YOUR YOU TWO IN PARTICULAR. I DON'T KNOW WHO ELSE ON YOUR TEAM ARE PLAYING A ROLE WITH THOSE FOLKS, BUT IT JUST FEELS TO ME LIKE WE'LL GET EVEN MORE BUY IN BY THOSE FOLKS.
AND EAGERNESS TO HELP BECAUSE THEY RECOGNIZE WE ARE THE ECONOMIC ENGINE FOR THIS COUNTY.
YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN LOOP THEM INTO THE EQUATION AND SPECIFICALLY BE ASKING THEM TO NOT ONLY ENDORSE, BUT FURTHER REINFORCE THEIR COMMITMENT TO THE PLAN.
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CAN, BUT IT'S ALSO ABOUT HAVING THE THE PROJECTS THAT YOU WANT TO ARTICULATE.WE'LL GO BACK TO 17TH, 17TH AVE WHEN YOU HAVE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES.
WE WERE GIVEN 500 OR I THINK THAT WAS 550,000 FOR 17TH AVE DESIGN.
NOW GUESS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ASKED FOR IN THE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES IS THE CONSTRUCTION.
BECAUSE IF YOU GET BUY IN ON DESIGN AND RIVER PARK EAST, WE GOT 500,000 LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION FOR THAT WHEN IT CAME TO THE SEAWALL REPAIRS FROM IRMA, WHICH IS STILL ON OUR LIST. RIGHT. WE'RE AT PHASE TWO OF THE THREE PHASES.
WE RECEIVED $4.5 MILLION LAST YEAR FOR THAT. SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE COUNTY.
WE'RE TRYING TO GET THAT ENGAGEMENT GOING. AND AND THE DAIS IS ON BOARD WITH THAT.
AND SO BUT THE POINT IS, THE INTERESTING THING ON THE VOTE IN NOVEMBER HAS COMPONENTS TO IT THAT SAYS TDC FUNDS AND IT'S FOR THE RECREATION FACILITY, BUT IT ALSO SAYS STORMWATER ELEMENTS IN IT. I'M VERY INTERESTED TO KNOW HOW THAT COMES INTO PLAY AND WHAT.
WE HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE ON THAT. SO ALL I CAN SAY IS, I CAN ASSURE YOU, AS LONG AS I THINK THE LINK IN THE COMP PLAN IS ABOUT ENCOURAGING THAT WHERE ANYWHERE POSSIBLE IS TO TO HOW DO I SAY THAT SEEK AND LEVERAGE OTHER JURISDICTIONS, FUNDS COUNTY INITIATIVES, CITY INITIATIVES, BUT NOT LOSE SIGHT IN ITS DIRECTIVE THAT YOU GOT TO GO IT ALONE UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THAT HAPPENS. AND WHEN YOU HAVE A PROJECT, IT'S MUCH EASIER TO SELL THE COUNTY.
COUNTY DOESN'T WANT TO HEAR ABOUT TEN PROJECTS YOU HAVE GOING. THEY WANT YOU TO APPEAL MOST OF THE TIME BECAUSE THEY'RE. WE'RE IN A VERY FAVORABLE POSITION, AND THEY RELY A LOT ON TDC TO SHARE WITH THE GOVERNMENTAL ENTITIES AND I SAY THAT WITH THE UTMOST RESPECT BECAUSE THE ONE THING I'LL ALSO SAY THIS IN OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENT WISE, THE ONE THING NEVER WE SHOULD NEVER DO AWAY WITH IS THAT THEY HANDLE ALL DEBRIS UNDER EMERGENCY.
THAT'S WHERE $30 MILLION, ANYTIME THERE'S THERE IS AN EMERGENCY.
SO WHEN WE SIT HERE AND WE SAY, WHAT'S THE COUNTY DOING FOR US? THAT ITEM ALONE SAVES YOU TWO YEARS OF FIGHTING WITH FEMA TO GET MONEY BACK.
AND IT SAVES YOU HAVING TO HAVE $30 MILLION SITTING IN THE BANK.
SO MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THAT. THE OTHER PART OF IT IS, IS IT'S ABOUT LEVERAGING THOSE DISCUSSIONS ON A LOCAL ISSUE THAT WHEN WE CAN COME TO THEM AND SAY, THIS IS OUR PROJECT, HERE'S HOW WE THINK IT BENEFITS YOU, AND WE CAN BUILD A BRIDGE TO THE TDC.
SO I I'M ALL FOR CHANGING. LOOK, ME AND GEORGE HAVE HAD MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS, SOME LANGUAGE CHANGES AND THINGS, BUT WE WANT TO AFTER THIS IS DONE, WANT TO HEAR FROM ALL OF YOU.
THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND SAY, IS THERE THINGS WE CAN KIND OF MERGE TOGETHER TO, TO GET WHAT YOU THINK WE NEED TO GET ACCOMPLISH? BUT, BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THOSE INITIATIVES ARE HAPPENING.
AND IS IT A, IS IT APPROPRIATE TO, TO BE POSITIONING THIS IN A SURGE KIND OF A CONTEXT? AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE 25, 50 YEARS OLD AND AND THE COUNTY KNOWS THAT.
WHO DO YOU THINK BUILT YOUR STORMWATER SYSTEM? WASN'T. SHE WAS A CITY WHEN YOU BECAME INCORPORATED AND YOU TOOK IN ALL OF THE COUNTY STORMWATER SYSTEMS THAT ALREADY EXISTED? SO LET'S JUST BE HONEST ABOUT THAT. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY SURGE IS A GREAT THING WHEN YOU'RE SHOVEL READY AND YOU HAVE GIVE ME A LOT.
GIVE ME IT NOW AND GET BUT WE ARE THIS IS A LONG SUSTAINED EFFORT.
SO WHEN PROJECTS WARRANT SURGE, LET'S CAPITALIZE ON IT.
BUT THIS IS A TRUE STATEMENT. LONG TERM SUSTAINABLE DELIVERY OF A REVENUE STREAM.
SO I THINK THAT IS SUSTAINABLE. THAT CAN BE LEVERAGED AGAINST IN A LONG TERM BASIS BECAUSE OUR LONG TERM NEEDS, BUT ALSO HAVING HAVING A THE ABILITY TO REQUEST A SURGE WHEN A SPECIFIC PROJECT WARRANTS IT.
AND WHERE ARE WE FROM A BOND CAPACITY PERSPECTIVE? WELL, IT'S SO WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT TYPES. YOU HAVE WHAT YOU CALL REVENUE BONDS.
WELL, WE'VE NEVER GONE TO OUR PEOPLE AND SAID WE WANT TO ISSUE DEBT.
AND THOSE WERE THE POTENTIAL CHOICES. WE COULD HAVE GONE FOR A REFERENDUM SAYING ONE ISSUE BONDS, WE DIDN'T HAVE PROJECTS READY. WE ALSO HAVE A STORMWATER RATE AND WE HAVE STORMWATER SYSTEMS, SO IT WAS BETTER TO DO IT FROM A RATE PERSPECTIVE THERE.
WHEN YOU THINK OF BOND CAPACITY YOU HAVE, YOU CAN ALWAYS GO TO THE PEOPLE AND ASK TO BORROW MONEY.
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29 MILLION IS EXPECTED TO BE NEEDED. WE PLEDGE NON-TAX REVENUE, WHICH DOESN'T REQUIRE A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE TO ISSUE DEBT.THAT'S BASED ON YOUR ABILITY TO PAY AND BOND COVERAGE.
IT'S NOT BASED ON ANYTHING ELSE WHEN IT COMES TO STORMWATER, WATER AND SANITATION.
THOSE ARE ENTERPRISE FUNDS. THEY'RE REVENUE BONDS.
AND SO STORMWATER FALLS UNDER THAT CRITERIA. SO WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT PHASING IN THE RATES, IT'S IMPORTANT. BY THE TIME YOU REACH THE POINT TO NEED A BOND, YOU'VE GOT CAPACITY TO COVER IT.
AS LONG AS YOU CAN COVER DESIGN ALONG THE WAY.
MAKE SENSE? SO THEY'RE IN SEPARATE PLACES. YES.
OKAY. WE HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, MR. KREIS. WELL, FOLLOW ON FROM THAT.
WHAT IS OUR CREDIT RATING? I SHOULD PROBABLY KNOW THAT, BUT.
WELL, IT'S A DOUBLE A WAS THE LAST BOND RATING.
WE JUST DID 27 MILLION ON THE OUTFALL PROJECT.
WHEN I SAID IT WAS 100 MILLION, WE STARTED TO BORROW 27 AND WE GOT 70 AND WE STARTED TO BORROW 27.
SO THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MOMENT. SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT, THAT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS JUST ISSUED THIS LAST, I THINK SEPTEMBER 20TH. IT'S PRETTY GOOD. CONGRATULATIONS ON THAT.
AND THAT'S ON A REVENUE BOND. THAT'S NOT A FULL FAITH PLEDGE OF THE CITY.
SO JUST A VERY SMALL QUESTION. THE YELLOW CELLS FOR, FOR CELLS HERE HIGHLIGHTED IN YELLOW, WHAT DO THEY REPRESENT. SO WE KNOW THESE. REMEMBER I TOLD YOU LAST YEAR WE HAD A PLACEHOLDER 65 MILLION.
BUT WE DIDN'T KNOW WHERE THEY WERE GOING. THIS PRESUPPOSES THAT IF IN TWO YEARS WE'VE DONE THIS.
SO 26, WE STARTED DESIGN. THESE ARE OUR KNOWN PROJECTS.
WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GO YET, BUT I KNOW WE NEED TO KEEP THE PROJECTS MOVING. THIS IS A PLACEHOLDER SO THAT WHEN WE WERE DOING REVENUE ANALYSIS AND DEBT CAPACITY ANALYSIS FOR THIS LAST BOND ISSUANCE THAT WE PUT IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL, THE CIP, AND SAID, THIS 50 YEAR CADENCE EVERY THREE YEARS, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO BE CONTINUING PROJECTS.
IT WAS WORTHWHILE TO PUT IT THERE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THIS ISN'T A SHORT TERM PROBLEM.
THIS IS A LONG TERM COMMITMENT TO SUSTAIN INFRASTRUCTURE REPLACEMENT.
YEAH, EXACTLY. AND WE DON'T YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU DON'T KNOW.
BUT WE TOOK THIS WAS A FAIR WAY UNTIL WE GET THROUGH THE NEXT TWO MAJOR PROJECTS.
AND I'LL REMIND YOU, WE HAVE THE FIRST 10TH AND 12TH IS AT 90% DESIGN.
AND THAT PROJECT IS GOING TO BE CONCLUDED BY THE END OF FEBRUARY. AND WE'RE MOVING ON TO WE HAVE 90% DESIGN ON FIRST, 10TH AND 12TH. AND THAT ONE SHOULD BREAK GROUND AFTER, YOU KNOW, BY SUMMER AND THEN WE'RE ON AND WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE OTHER ONES COMING ON THE BACKSIDE BEING DESIGNED. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE, I ALSO WOULD SAY TO YOU, WE PROBABLY, GIVEN THE ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION IN THIS COMMUNITY, PROBABLY CAN HAVE THREE MORE THAN THREE AREAS TORN UP IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY.
SO THE CADENCE IS RIGHT, THE INITIATIVES ARE RIGHT, AND THE PROJECTS HAVE ALREADY BEGUN.
SO THANK YOU. SALLY. WHY IS THE LINE ITEM FULL SCALE MULTI BASIN DEMONSTRATION PROJECT RIVER PARK EAST BOLDED IN RED. AND WHY IS THERE NO MONEY ALLOCATED TO IT? BECAUSE IT'S IN THE STARCH IN THE CRA. IT'S NOT A STORMWATER DRIVEN PROJECT.
IT WAS DRIVEN OUT OF THE CRA. SO WE PUT IT HERE BECAUSE IT HAS.
IT'S STILL STORMWATER BENEFIT. THAT STORMWATER SYSTEM IS GOING TO BE REPLACED.
WE JUST WANT THAT TO BE KNOWN. AND THE REASON THAT'S ALSO KNOWN IS BECAUSE IN THE REST OF THIS SAME PRESENTATION, IF YOU GO TO THE WATER FUND AND THE SEWER SANITARY SEWER FUND, YOU'LL SEE CORRESPONDING $6,000,008 MILLION THAT GOES ALONG WITH THIS PROJECT.
SO WE KNOW WE'RE DOING WATER, SANITARY SEWER, STORMWATER.
OH, IT'S BEING FUNDED BY THE CRA. BUT THESE ARE ALL PROJECTS AND INITIATIVES THAT ARE ONGOING.
SO IT'S REALLY A PLACEHOLDER TO DELINEATE BETWEEN BECAUSE YOU CAN PICK A PROJECT TOMORROW.
AND IF I GET AN OUTSIDE FUNDING SOURCE, I'M STILL GOING TO LEAVE IT IN HERE. SO YOU KNOW, STORMWATER IS BEING DONE, BUT OH, BY THE WAY, I GOT OUTSIDE FUNDING FOR IT. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE REASON FOR THAT. OKAY. AND BUT WHY IS IT HIGHLIGHTED? BECAUSE TO ME, IT LOOKS LIKE I'M LOOKING AT THE OTHER NUMBERS IN RED.
AND WHEN I JUST AT FIRST GLANCE, IT LOOKED LIKE THOSE NUMBERS WERE REMOVED FROM THE FULL SCALE.
WELL, THOSE WERE THE REASON. YEAH. THE REASON THOSE ARE IN RED IS THEY WERE ALL COMBINED UNDER ONE LINE ITEM. AND YOU HAD SO YOU HAD THE WHAT WAS IT? $6 MILLION THAT WAS SITTING THERE. AND WE SAID, BECAUSE IT'S JUST A PLACEHOLDER, WE KNEW WE WERE GOING TO START SOME DESIGNS ON SOMETHING, DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WERE, HAD A SINGLE BUDGETARY LINE OF $6 MILLION.
ONCE WE DIVIDE THEM UP, SAY, THIS IS GOING TO THESE PROJECTS, THIS IS GOING TO THIS ONE.
OKAY. AND IT WAS REALLY ABOUT REALLOCATED ELSEWHERE.
YEAH, THEY WERE ALL IN RED, SO I THOUGHT THEY WERE COMING FROM THE SAME PLACE.
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SO. OKAY. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS, GARY, BUT YOU SAID THAT YOU ARE LEVERAGING OTHER FUNDING SOURCES.YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, INCREASE IN FEES AND THAT'S GIVING YOU LIKE KIND OF THE STARTING POINT, LEVERAGING OTHER SOURCES. DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF THE PICTURE OVERALL, OF HOW MUCH SHORTFALL THERE'S GOING TO BE AND ARE GOING TO HAVE TO GO AFTER A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF DEBT? DO YOU KNOW THAT OR THERE'S KIND OF NO WAY TO KNOW THAT OR.
YEAH, THERE'S THERE'S NO WAY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO WAY TO, TO KNOW THAT AT THIS STAGE BECAUSE UNTIL YOU HAVE IT DESIGNED, GET CLOSER TO A NUMBER, WE'LL START APPLYING, LIKE I SAID, FOR LIKE EXAMPLE, 17TH AVE, RIVER PARK, YOU KNOW, WE'LL PUT IT ON THIS YEAR'S LEGISLATIVE.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY UNTIL YOU GET FAR ENOUGH ALONG, I CAN TELL YOU MY LIKELIHOOD TO GET ANY, ANY RIVER PARK EAST THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION WILL SAY, WHERE'S THE DESIGN? WHAT IS THE YOU'RE NOT GETTING IT NOW, BUT WE'LL TRY BECAUSE WE DID ON WE DID THAT ON THE OUTFALL PROJECT AND THEY GAVE US FIVE ONE YEAR.
THEN THEY GAVE US 40 AND THEN ANOTHER TIME. SO WE'LL KEEP TRYING THOSE.
BUT YOU, ANYONE WHO TELLS YOU THEY KNOW THEY JUST LIED TO YOU.
SO YOU JUST. AND YOU JUST HAVE TO DO YOUR DUE DILIGENCE EVERY YEAR AND KEEP APPLYING.
CORRECT. AND LOOK FOR OTHER FEDERAL, FEDERAL, FEDERAL MONEY ON STORMWATER IS VERY LIMITED.
WATER QUALITY. YOU CAN SOMETIMES GET MORE. BUT BUT ON STORMWATER ITSELF IT'S VERY LIMITED.
UNFORTUNATELY STATES THE BIGGEST ONE FOR THAT, YOU SORT OF ANSWERED MY QUESTION, BUT I RECALL SEEING IN AARON DEADY'S PARTICULARS WHEN WE WERE STARTING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS THAT SHE HAD HELPED CITIES, MUNICIPALITIES, OTHERS GET, I THINK ABOUT 250 OR $500 MILLION IN FUNDING.
DO WE USE SOMEONE LIKE THAT OR DO WE USE HER OR ANYTHING LIKE.
WELL, I'VE TALKED TO HER SPECIFICALLY ABOUT POTENTIAL ADDITIONAL SERVICES, BUT SHE WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THEM WHO ALSO SAID THAT A LOT OF MONEY THAT WAS THERE FIVE, SEVEN, TEN YEARS AGO IS DRYING UP RIGHT NOW. SO.
SO WE'LL KEEP TRYING TO LEVERAGE THOSE. AND IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITY.
YEAH, I ACTUALLY HAD SIMILAR CONVERSATION WITH HER.
AND ANYTIME I CAN LEVERAGE ANYBODY TO GET TO GET SOMETHING, I CERTAINLY WOULD.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE HAVE ONE OUTSIDE. ARE YOU FINISHED? YEAH. I DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE, GEORGE. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU HAD TO WRAP UP OR ANYTHING OR. ALL GOOD, SIR. I DID, I HAD A QUESTION ON THE ON YOUR PRESENTATION.
WHAT, WHAT ARE. AND THOSE ARE ALL VERY IMPACTFUL TO WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
WHAT'S THE TIMELINE THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE MASTER PLAN AS FAR AS LIKE, WHEN WILL WE SEE A 20? IS IT A 2027 MASTER PLAN FOR STORMWATER? SO THEY ARE, THEY ARE INCORPORATED AND EMBEDDED IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS.
AND THE SIPS AS NEEDED WILL BE UPDATED BEFORE SIPS ARE PRESENTED EVERY YEAR.
IT'S ALMOST LIKE A ROLLING AVERAGE. SO SIPS WILL BE UPDATED EVERY YEAR TO REFLECT CHANGING PRIORITIES OR REALITIES IN THE FIELD AND FUNDING SOURCES. AVAILABILITY. HOWEVER, THE MASTER PLAN IS GOING TO BE STEADY STATE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE IN TERMS OF VISION AND THE FUTURE OUTLOOK EVERY FIVE YEARS.
THAT'S ANOTHER FIVE YEARS. SO YOU HAVE THIS TEN YEAR HORIZON.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT 20 YEAR HORIZON, YOU'RE LOOKING AT FOUR TIMES TO MAKE MAJOR UPDATES AND YOU'RE MAKING PIVOTING ADJUSTMENTS EVERY YEAR DEPENDING ON PRIORITIES AND CHANGING CONDITIONS FOR ALL THOSE CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, COMMODITY AREAS AND SERVICE AREAS. I HOPE I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION FOR THE MASTER STORMWATER PLAN.
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME IT'S BEING TACKLED POST HURRICANES.
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WITH THE CONCEPT WE'RE PRESENTING. THE ANSWER IS YES.OKAY. WE DO. WAIT A MINUTE. WE DO HAVE I JUST WANT TO GET THIS OUT.
WE HAVE ONE PERSON FROM THE PUBLIC WANTS TO TALK.
I DON'T THINK SHE'S HERE. AMELIA DID. SHE WOULD.
SHE WANTED TO WITHDRAW HER. OKAY. VERY GOOD. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE VERY SIMPLE QUESTIONS.
IS THAT YOU KNOW, PUMPING IS PUMPING PROJECT OBVIOUSLY.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN ACTUALLY ADDRESS STORM SURGE FROM A HURRICANE IN WHOLE OR IN PART, OR IS IT JUST RAINWATER STORM WATER? THE ANSWER IS NO FOR STORM SURGE, BUT IT'S DESIGNED TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE DISCHARGE 25 YEAR, 72 HOUR RAIN EVENT, WHICH IS EQUIVALENT TO TROPICAL STORM FAY AND OR IRMA RAINFALLS.
GREAT. AND THEN MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION IS I SAW THIS, THIS REPORT FROM 2025.
IT'S JUST A DRAFT CITY OF NAPLES RESILIENCE PLAN.
IS THERE AN UPDATE TO THIS RESOURCE BEEN SUPERSEDED BY OTHER THINGS? DO YOU RECOGNIZE THIS UPDATE FOR 2026? OKAY, WE'LL HIDE THIS FROM EVERYBODY.
OKAY. AND WHEN WILL THAT BE AVAILABLE? I'M SORRY, WE DON'T HAVE A SET DATE ON THAT YET.
WE WERE WORKING ON THE CAPITAL AND OTHER THINGS, BUT BUT BECAUSE REMEMBER, WE DID THAT OVER THE SUMMER LAST YEAR AND WE JUST ADOPTED A BUDGET. BUT PROBABLY OVER THE NEXT THREE MONTHS WE WILL MAKE A PRESENTATION. WELL, AS IT IS IN DRAFT FORM, IT'S STILL IMPRESSIVE.
AND SO THANK YOU FOR THIS. I LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT. AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT IS TO UPDATE IT WITH THE THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGETARY COMMITMENT AND WHAT THAT WILL BE TACKLING THAT IS REALLY TO IT. IT'S FUNDAMENTALS AREN'T GOING TO CHANGE.
IT'S GOING TO BE UPDATING WITH SOME OF THE INFORMATION WE ARE DEMONSTRATING TO YOU HERE.
SO THANK YOU. OKAY. ERICA, ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS? I HAVE ONE FURTHER. I HAVE A QUESTION. YOU DID ASK FOR QUESTIONS TO BE PUT TO THE END.
GO AHEAD. DOCTOR GEORGE, YOU MENTIONED OFFSHORE REEF PROTECTION.
YOU SAID EXPAND. IS THAT DO WE ALREADY HAVE OFFSHORE REEFS? OVER AND ABOVE THE THE RUBBLE FROM THE PIER? YES.
WE DO. AND WE HAVE ARTIFICIAL REEF PROGRAM, INCLUDING PARADISE REEF.
AND WE CAN GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION, HOW MUCH IT HAS BEEN DONE SO FAR.
AND IT'S A, IT'S A SEED FOR THAT OFFSHORE CONCEPT.
AND IT'S ONE OF THE OPTIONS WE HAVE. AND I THINK THAT THE IT'S AMBITIOUS AND IT IS VISIONARY AND IT WILL DEFINITELY INCLUDE FEDERAL RESOURCES AND AGENCIES AS WELL AS STATE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THAT TO ALL THE WAY FROM BAREFOOT DOWN TO 10,000 ISLANDS TO BE TRUE BARRIER FOR STORM SURGE AND AS IMPORTANTLY, INCREASING FISHERIES WATER QUALITY AND MAKE IT ANOTHER WATER DESTINATION.
ANYTHING YOU CAN SHARE AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME.
I WOULD LIKE TO BE A RECIPIENT. WILL DO A MOVIE ABOUT IT.
EXCELLENT. VERY COOL. SHOULD I HAVE KNOWN ABOUT THAT? NO. OKAY, BUT WE'LL SEND YOU. YES. YOU SHOULD.
YOU SHOULD SEE IT. IT'S GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY.
ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ITEM? WE HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL.
WE'VE ADDED A NINE B. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE LENGTH OF THAT ITEM WOULD BE.
THE TRAFFIC STUDY UPDATE IS JUST AN INFORMATIONAL MEMO, SO THAT'S NOT REALLY A CONVERSATION.
AND THEN UNDER CORRESPONDENCE I KNOW A COUPLE OF THOSE ITEMS. THE LAST B, C AND D SHOULD BE VERY QUICK. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT ITEM 11.
A THAT'S REALLY THE BOARD'S HE SAYS IT'S GOT TO BE QUICK.
SURE. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU.
WE'LL CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER. NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS NINE B.
AND, GREG, I THINK THIS. JOE. I MEAN, THIS WAS YOU, RIGHT? YEAH. SO I, I HANDED, I HANDED OUT A LIST OF POSSIBILITIES.
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GIVEN THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE GETTING FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY.AND SO THERE'S THERE'S AREAS THAT I SUSPECT WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME, SOME SPECIFIC COMMENTARY ON.
BUT I MEAN, JUST USING THIS, THIS PRESENTATION WE JUST WENT THROUGH WITH DOCTOR GEORGE AND, AND MR. YOUNG YOU KNOW, THIS IS, IN MY OPINION, THE, THE MOST PROMINENT ISSUE THAT OUR CITY, OUR RESIDENTS ARE CONCERNED ABOUT. AND YOU KNOW, I THINK IF WE HAD A WORKSHOP THAT WAS FOCUSED ON THIS PARTICULAR TOPIC COMPLEMENTED BY AS WAS NOTED, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, FEDERAL AGENCIES, STATE AGENCIES, COUNTY, COUNTY IN PARTICULAR, VERY PROMINENT. IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE THEM SITTING IN, IN A WORKSHOP AS WELL.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT, AND THERE SEEM TO BE AGREEMENT AROUND IS AS IT RELATES TO RESILIENCY, WE SHOULD ALSO BE WE SHOULD HAVE A PERSPECTIVE AS FAR AS FPL.
WE SHOULD HAVE A PERSPECTIVE AS FAR AS TYCO. COMCAST IS LIKE, WHAT ARE ALL OF THESE ENTITIES DOING TO PUT US IN A BETTER PLACE? THE. AND I'LL. WORKFORCE HOUSING WE BROUGHT UP BRIEFLY LAST WEEK.
OTHER THAN SAYING WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY FUNDAMENTALLY, AND IN MY OPINION, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITHIN THE CITY OF NAPLES TO START HOLDING COLLIER COUNTY MORE ACCOUNTABLE FOR DOING MUCH MORE IN THE COUNTY ON THIS FRONT.
THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL COLLABORATION, IT'S LIKE TOUCHES ALMOST ALL OF THESE.
WE JUST HAD WE ALL RECEIVED FROM PENNY TAYLOR.
I THOUGHT A VERY WELL WRITTEN A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS AROUND DATA WHERE SHE LISTED ALL THE DIFFERENT DATA COMPONENTS THAT ARE MENTIONED THROUGHOUT THE PLAN.
IN MANY CASES, WE'LL ADD DATA ASSOCIATED WITH THEM.
IN OTHER CASES, DATES THAT ARE IN ESSENCE IRRELEVANT ANYMORE.
AND BY THE WAY, I DON'T THINK WE, WE IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE, THE CURRENT STATE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE DOES NOT DRAW ANY CONCLUSIONS FROM THE DATA. IT JUST MENTIONS THE DATA. IT'S ALMOST LIKE WE WERE LOOKING FOR THE THICKEST PLAN WE COULD PUT TOGETHER.
THERE'S BEEN ALL KINDS OF COMMENTARY ALREADY AS FAR AS THE FUTURE LAND USE THERE'S PHRASES, THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO ACTUALLY REFINE WHAT'S ACTUALLY IN THERE.
THE THERE I KNOW MISS MARTIN ISN'T IN AGREEMENT.
I IN MY OPINION, THERE SHOULDN'T BE, THERE SHOULDN'T BE THINGS IN THE PLAN THAT SAY OUR PLAN IS TO GET MORE INFORMATION BEFORE WE FINALIZE THINGS. IT'S LIKE THE WHOLE POINT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS TO GET TO THE POINT OF BEING ABLE TO FINALIZE THINGS, PUT THINGS INTO A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS, AND SO JUST TO USE IT AS AN EXAMPLE, THERE'S A, THERE'S COMMENTARY IN THERE ABOUT PROJECT REVIEWS, BUT WE DIDN'T DO ANY PROJECT REVIEWS.
IT SAYS WE'RE GOING TO DO THE PROJECT REVIEWS AFTER WE PUBLISH THE PLAN.
IT'S LIKE WE OUGHT TO BE GETTING THE INSIGHTS FROM THESE MAJOR PROJECTS IN MANY CASES THAT HAVE BEEN CONTROVERSIAL PROJECTS SO THAT WE WERE BETTER INFORMED IN OUR FINALIZATION OF THE COMP PLAN PARKS AND MOBILITY. THAT LAST POINT, COULD YOU GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? WELL, NCH WAS VERY CONTROVERSIAL FOR SEASONS WAS VERY CONTROVERSIAL.
AND THERE'S I CAN CLARIFY, THERE'S AN ACTUAL PROPOSED ACTION ITEM IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO IT'S NOT BEEN ADOPTED. IT'S PROPOSED. IT'S NEW LANGUAGE AND IT'S AN ACTION ITEM.
IT'S FUTURE LAND USE ACTION ITEM 6.2.1. AND IT READS FOLLOWING ADOPTION OF THIS PLAN.
CONDUCT A ONE TIME ANALYSIS OF RECENT DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS WITH OPPORTUNITY FOR IMPROVEMENT REGARDING CHARACTER AND DESIGN, AS IDENTIFIED THROUGH NAPLES 2045 COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT.
WHAT I UNDERSTAND, JUST TO MAKE SURE I SEE THE DIFFERENCE, IS THIS PLAN SAYS THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO, AND YOU'RE SAYING WE SHOULD DO IT BEFORE WE ADOPT THE PLAN.
RIGHT. IT'S IT'S TO DO WITH YOU. BUT I HEAR YOU.
IT'S TO INFORM THE PLAN, BUT IT'S TO INFORM THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN, IT'S TO INFORM PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE OR DESIGN REVIEW HANDBOOK, NOT TO THE COMP PLAN. AND THAT'S THE WAY THE COMP PLAN IS SUPPOSED TO WORK. THE COMP PLAN IS THE BLUEPRINT FOR WHAT WE DO.
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AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS, AND WE SAY IN GENERAL TERMS, THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO.BUT THEN THE JOB OF THE, OF THE THE CITY COUNCIL IS THEN TO ADOPT OR TO CONSIDER AND ADOPT ORDINANCES THAT IMPLEMENT THE PLAN. AND SO THAT'S, I MEAN, THAT WHAT, WHAT YOU JUST READ IS COMPLETELY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS SUPPOSED TO DO. IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THE ORDINANCE.
SO I DON'T SEE THAT THAT THAT AS A PROBLEM AT ALL.
OKAY. THE VERY LAST POINT I'D MAKE IS I'VE ACTUALLY, SINCE I PRIMARILY HANG WITH OLD FARTS LIKE ME I DEVOTED TIME TO ACTUALLY GOING OUT AND TALKING TO YOUNG FOLKS TO REALLY GET AN APPRECIATION BECAUSE LIKE, WE DON'T HAVE SCHOOLS IN HERE ANYMORE.
I WAS LIKE, I JUST WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN WE'RE TAKING SCHOOLS OUT.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT GETS ENOUGH ATTENTION. SO WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY MOBILITY? BIKE TRAILS, THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES. SO HERE AGAIN, I THINK WE HAVE WE HAVE A DRAFT OF A PLAN.
AT THIS POINT, IT ISN'T ALL FINALIZED. AND IT'S LIKE, THAT'S THE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT. THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THEIR, THEIR FAMILIES TO A PARK, BIKE TO A PARK, WHATEVER THE CASE MIGHT BE.
AND THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY PUT ENOUGH PARK IN THEIR ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
IT SEEMS TO ME THAT PICKING UP ON WHAT GREG SAID, THAT MY UNDERSTANDING OF GENERAL PLAN.
IT'S AN ASPIRATIONAL DOCUMENT FROM WHICH YOU WORK.
AND THEN BASED UPON THAT ASPIRATIONS DOCUMENT, YOU DEVELOP THE FINE DETAILS.
FEELS TO ME THAT WHERE YOU AND I MIGHT BE HAVING A DISAGREEMENT OR GREG IN YOU IS THAT THESE ARE WORK PROJECTS THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT BE UNDERTAKEN BY THE CITY, AND NOT A REASON TO STOP THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A 20 YEAR PLANNING HORIZON.
IT'S NOT EVERYTHING TO BE DONE RIGHT NOW. IT SAYS IF EVERYONE AGREES AND THAT PLAN IS PASSED, IT'S THE CITY SAYING THAT THIS IS OUR LOOKING FORWARD.
WE SHALL HAVE THE POWER AND THE DUTY TO PREPARE AND RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION, A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE PHYSICAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY AND TO PERFECT IT.
AND IT'S AND THAT TO PERFECT IT, IT'S GOING TO MEAN DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS.
SOME NEIGHBORHOODS, PARKS ARE MORE IMPORTANT, SOME NEIGHBORHOODS FLOODING IS MORE IMPORTANT.
I THINK WHAT I HEAR US TALKING ABOUT IN THE PROCESS OF PROTECTING IT, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPING, YOU KNOW, THE FINE DETAILS, AS YOU SAY, DEVELOPING, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THIS MEAN IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD? IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT'S A GOOD TIME TO RESURRECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
COMPREHENSIVE PLANS. THEY WERE LAST PUBLISHED IN 1999.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A LOT IN THE LAST YEAR, ABOUT HOW THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS BASICALLY TAKE THE 20 YEAR DOCUMENT AND MAKE THEM ACTIONABLE IN THEIR PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THERE ARE, WHAT, 12, 14 DISTINCT NEIGHBORHOODS WITHIN THE CITY ARE NAMED NEIGHBORHOODS.
THOSE BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY'RE VERY LARGE THERE, THERE WERE, YOU KNOW, A SMALL NUMBER OF VERY LARGE GEOGRAPHIC AREAS LUMPED IN TOGETHER, LIKE ROYAL HARBOR INCLUDED OYSTER BAY AND GOLDEN SHORES.
BUT I THINK WHAT WE'VE HEARD THROUGH THIS IS THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE NEED MORE.
SO I THINK, YES, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE SHOULD RESURRECT THOSE. I THINK THE FIRST STEP IS DEFINING, YES, WHAT WE NOW CONSIDER THE NEIGHBORHOODS. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S MORE IT IS MORE WORK, BUT IT IT'S MORE WORK FOR THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD TO IF WE'RE GOING TO OVERSEE IT.
BUT I THINK IT'S SORT OF IN OUR CHARTER THAT WE SHOULD BRING THIS BIG VISIONARY PIECE AND SET OF PRINCIPLES AND VALUES THAT RELATE TO QUALITY OF LIFE. AND BEING THE GREEN JEWEL, IT'S SORT OF NECESSARILY SUBJECTIVE, BUT IT'S GOING TO IT BECOMES ACTIONABLE WHEN YOU BRING IT DOWN TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I HEAR YOU, BUT I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.
AND IT SEEMS TO ME THAT GIVEN OUR SCOPE AND RESPONSIBILITIES AND UNDERTAKING, THIS IS HUGELY EXPENSIVE, REQUIRING AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF STAFF TIME THAT CITY COUNCIL DECISIONS.
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AND WE NEED THIS SUPPORT FOR STAFF TO DO THAT.THAT'S, I THINK, OUR ROLE TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT.
BUT I DON'T WANT TO I PUT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT IN THE GENERAL PLAN.
ONE OF THE FRUSTRATIONS WE'VE HAD FROM DAY ONE IS WE THINK THERE SHOULD BE A LOT OF PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT, AND THERE'S A LIMIT TO WHAT PEOPLE ARE REALLY GOING TO DO.
SO WHEN YOU DO THE INDIVIDUAL NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS, THEY MAY HAVE THESE ELEMENTS IN THEM.
ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE SHOULD HOLD UP THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.
NO NO NO. I AGREE 100% WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS.
BUT BUT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT IT SHOULD COME AFTERWARDS.
ONCE WE HAVE ESTABLISHED THE, THE MAIN VISION AND THE MAIN DOCUMENT FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS, THEN THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT PLAN, THE PERFECTING OF IT HAPPENS THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN.
WELL, WE'LL SEE WHAT KIND OF FEEDBACK WE GET, BUT I'M EXPECTING THERE'S GOING TO BE A FAIR AMOUNT OF FEEDBACK THAT'S GOING TO POINT TO MANY AREAS THAT ARE ON THIS LIST THAT FOLKS FEEL NEED MORE ATTENTION OR NEED TO BE APPROACHED IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
AND I THINK PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL THINGS THAT REALLY, REALLY CONCERNS ME, AND IT WAS REINFORCED WITH WITH MR. YOUNG'S PRESENTATION TODAY IS THE COOPERATION THAT WE NEED FROM THE COUNTY AND FROM MANY OF THE REGIONAL PLAYERS.
THOSE OF US THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE BUSINESS WORLD, YOU DON'T CREATE A, A PLAN THAT EXPECTS THE SUPPORT OF ALL KINDS OF PEOPLE WITHOUT HAVING THEM PARTICIPATE IN THE PLANNING PROCESS. WELL, I'M IN TOTAL AGREEMENT THAT THIS IS A, HAS TO BE A COMPREHENSIVE EFFORT OF ALL GOVERNMENT ENTITIES. AND I THINK THE PLAN, AT LEAST THE DRAFT I SAW CALLS FOR US TO DEVELOP THAT.
AND I THINK MAYBE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS IF WE ADOPT THIS PLAN OR A VERSION OF IT, THAT WE PUT THE FIREPOWER BEHIND IT TO ACCOMPLISH IT. AND THAT, I THINK, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
OKAY, SO WE ACCEPTED HIS LIST AND PUT IT IN THE RECORD.
OKAY. YOU YOU WERE, YOU KNOW, I'M I'M CURIOUS.
SO YOU MENTIONED, I GUESS YOU'RE SAYING THIS NEEDS TO GO TO COUNCIL? ABSOLUTELY. CAN I BE AUTHORIZED BY THIS BODY? OKAY. NO ONE. I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT GOING TO COUNCIL.
WE CAN, AS A GROUP, VOTE TO SEND A DOCUMENT OR REQUEST OR INFORMATION TO COUNCIL BY MAJORITY VOTE.
AND IT WOULD GO AS A LIST TO COUNCIL. IF COUNCIL WANTS TO TALK TO US, THEY WILL LET US KNOW.
AND NUMBER TWO, WE AS A BOARD CANNOT INDIVIDUALLY SHOW UP AT COUNCIL MEETINGS.
I CAN'T, EVEN, AS CHAIRMAN, GO TO A COUNCIL MEETING WITHOUT THE AUTHORIZATION OF THIS BOARD AND THE PERSON GOING HAS TO BE THE. THE BOARD SHOULD UNDERSTAND, IN MY OPINION, WHAT'S GOING TO BE DISCUSSED, BECAUSE THE RISK FOR INDIVIDUAL OPINION IS CONFUSING AND DYSFUNCTIONAL. AND I'M HEARING AN UNDERSTANDING JOE, YOUR FRUSTRATION ABOUT THE PUBLIC LACK OF THE PUBLIC NOT KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON IN TOWN, BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A TWO EDGED SWORD. I HATE TO BE SORRY.
THEN WE HEAR LIKE CRAZY ABOUT IT. BUT FOR LONG RANGE PLANNING, EVEN WITH ALL THE HURRICANES WE'VE HAD AND THE IMPORTANCE OF RESILIENCY, I MEAN, IT'D BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW MANY COMMENTS WE REALLY GET ON THOSE THINGS VERSUS COMMENTS THAT DEAL WITH NOT IN MY BACKYARD.
SO. AND IF I COULD JUST INTERJECT ONE THING, I REMEMBER WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
AND AND ERICA HAS SAID AT TWO DIFFERENT PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD MEETINGS VERY CLEARLY THAT THE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVE FROM PEOPLE WHO WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NEED TO BE NOT ASPIRATIONAL, BUT PROVIDE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE.
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I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.THE, WE HAVE A DEFINITION SECTION THAT DEFINES YOU KNOW CHARM, CHARACTER AND SO FORTH.
AND I WENT THROUGH AND FOUND MANY COMPREHENSIVE PLANS OF OTHER CITIES THAT USE THE SAME TERMINOLOGY WITH THE SAME DEFINITIONS, WITH NO OBJECTION FROM THE, FROM THE STATE. SO I DON'T, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT AMBIGUITY OF THOSE TERMS, BUT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO, IF SOMEBODY'S WATCHING IF THE COALITION IS IS WATCHING, I'M SURE THAT THEY HAVE, THEY'RE ALL OVER THIS. THEY SHOULD KNOW THAT THAT ONLY PARTICULAR SPECIFIC COMMENTS CAN BE ADDRESSED BY THE PAB AND THAT ASPIRATIONAL AND WE SHOULD DO THIS OR THAT IN VERY GENERAL TERMS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACTION THOSE. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SAY. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO MOVE ON.
I THINK WE'VE GOT THE POINT. UNLESS IT'S SUBJECTIVE.
YEAH. SALLY SAID SUBJECTIVE, NOT AMBIGUOUS. I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT.
DIFFERENT THINGS. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. SORRY. SO UNLESS THERE'S AN ACTION THAT THIS BOARD WANTS TO TAKE, I'M GOING TO MOVE ON. I JUST WANT TO MAKE ONE COMMENT BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE MOVING ON.
SO I JUST THINK I'LL JUST KEEP THIS IN THE BACK OF MY MIND, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE KIND OF A CONNECTION BETWEEN THEM AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE AT THAT POINT, WHAT KIND OF FURTHER THIS DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT'S COMING TOGETHER WITH A COUPLE DIFFERENT.
SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE. SO WITHOUT OBJECTION, WE'RE MOVING TO NUMBER TEN A.
[10.A) Traffic Study Update from the Public Works Department. ]
AGAIN, THERE'S JUST AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM THAT'S PROVIDED BY THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. THERE'S A MEMO IN YOUR PACKET NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS HERE LAST MONTH.UNFORTUNATELY, I HAD THIS SCHEDULED TO BE RIGHT AFTER DOCTOR GEORGE, SO HE WOULD BE HERE.
BUT WE WE LOST HIM. SO. OKAY, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY.
THE VICE CHAIRMAN AND I WERE PART OF THE BOARD AT THE TIME THAT OUT OF OUR FRUSTRATION AND DEEP AND DEEP CONCERN ABOUT TRAFFIC STUDIES AND FIRST HAND EXPERIENCE, WE REQUESTED THE TRAFFIC STUDY MAYBE TWO YEARS AGO.
AND HERE WE ARE. I KNOW GOVERNMENT MOVES SLOWLY AND THIS IS NOT DIRECTED ERICA, AT YOU AT ALL? NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. BUT, GARY, MAYBE IT'S YOUR GROUP. YOU KNOW, HERE WE ARE TWO YEARS LATER, AND WE'VE SPENT MONEY, WE'VE SPUN WHEELS, AND WE'VE GOT ZILCH OUT OF IT.
ALSO, ON A MICRO LEVEL, AT THE LAST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, I ASKED IF STAFF COULD WOULD CONSIDER SELECTING THE TRAFFIC CONSULTANT FROM A POOL RATHER THAN THE PETITIONER CHOOSE THEM.
AS I THINK CERTAINLY THE CHAIRMAN AND I ARE AWARE ABOUT THAT EARLIER.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO SHAKE THAT UP.
SO THE QUESTION IS, DOES MISS BECKETT HAVE AN ANSWER FOR ME, WHICH ALLISON, SORRY, WHICH ERICA I KNOW IS NOT DIRECTED AT YOU? I WILL ASK THAT SPECIFIC QUESTION AND HAVE HER RESPOND BACK.
YEAH, I KNOW, I KNOW, RIGHT AFTER HOPING GEORGE WOULD STILL BE HERE.
OKAY, THANKS VERY MUCH. WE'RE GOING ON THEN TO CORRESPONDENCE AND COMMUNICATION.
AND GREG, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT PROVIDED US A LIST.
THANK YOU. AND IF I MAY, MAY WE SWITCH THE ORDER OF THE 11 A AND 11 B? BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE USEFUL FOR PEOPLE TO HEAR THE PRESENTATION ABOUT 11 B BEFORE I GO ON MY VERY SHORT SPIEL.
[11.B) Discussion Related to the Engagement of a Firm to Prepare Information Modeling for the City.]
DISCUSSION RELATED TO THE ENGAGEMENT OF A FIRM TO PREPARE INFORMATION MODELING FOR THE CITY.SO I, I DID SOME ASKING AROUND AND LEARNED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHERE WE ARE SO FAR.
SO THE CITY HAS DONE SOME WORK WITH A FIRM, SOME GIS WORK.
SO SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO THE MAPS THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT USES.
WE HAVEN'T HASN'T GONE LIVE YET. IT'S NOT AVAILABLE OUT TO THE PUBLIC BECAUSE WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT. BUT I JUST BEFORE YOU HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IN THE FUTURE, I JUST THOUGHT I'D GIVE YOU A LITTLE BASELINE OF, OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON SO FAR AS A STARTING POINT.
SO THAT'S OKAY. GOOD. AND THEN WE'LL JUMP BACK TO 11 A OKAY.
[11.A) Discussion of Draft List of Planning Advisory Board Priorities Provided by Vice Chair Gregory Fowler.]
AND YOU KNOW, TO MAKE THIS AS SHORT AND SWEET AS POSSIBLE BACK IN JUNE, WE DISCUSSED THE POSSIBILITY OF[03:50:03]
EXPANDING OUR VISION ON WHAT WE DO AT THE PAB TO INCLUDE MORE WHAT I WOULD THINK OF AS AS LONG RANGE PLANNING OR LONG RANGE PLANNING. AND WE HAD, I THINK IT WAS A CONSENSUS THAT WE ASKED FOR WAS A 6 TO 1 VOTE SAYING IT'S A GOOD IDEA.AND SO THEN I WAS ASKED TO PROVIDE SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE SORTS OF TOPICS THAT THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD OUGHT TO TAKE ON IN TERMS OF THAT PLANNING. AND THEN AS I DID MORE RESEARCH AND AND LOOKED INTO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE SUGGESTED AND THE THINGS THAT WERE SUGGESTED, INCLUDING RESILIENCY CITY INFORMATION MODELING, PARKS, GREEN SPACE AND URBAN FOREST MANAGEMENT, HISTORICAL PRESERVATION, NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER WATERFRONT STEWARDSHIP, ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT AND EMERGING TECHNOLOGIES.
THOSE ARE SOME, BUT NOT ALL THE THINGS WE DISCUSSED AS POSSIBILITIES.
AND THEN AS I LOOKED INTO THESE THINGS MORE, I LEARNED THAT I NEEDED TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE HUMILITY IN TERMS OF WHAT I SUGGESTED WE LOOK INTO. AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED FOR PRESENTATIONS FROM MR. YOUNG, FROM DOCTOR GEORGE AND FROM OTHERS TO TELLING US A LITTLE MORE ABOUT WHAT THE RESILIENCY, PLANNING A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE CIP AND SO FORTH.
SO WE COULD EDUCATE OURSELVES TO KNOW WHAT THE CITY IS DOING AND WHAT WE MIGHT DO TO NOT DUPLICATE, BUT TO SUPPLEMENT WHAT THE CITY PLANNING HAD BEEN VERY SUCCESSFULLY ACCOMPLISHING IN MY REVIEW.
SO EXPANDING OUR ROLE. YES. EDUCATION AND COORDINATION.
THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD BEGIN. WE'VE BEGUN THAT PROCESS TODAY.
I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, WITH MR. YOUNG, WITH DOCTOR GEORGE AND OTHERS TO TO FIND THE RIGHT THINGS FOR US TO LOOK IN AT, LOOK AT AS A PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD TO SO WE COULD DO THAT COLLABORATIVELY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE HELPING IN THE RIGHT PLACES.
SO I'M NOT GOING TO SUGGEST ANYTHING NECESSARILY THAT WE DO LOOK AT.
EXACTLY. BUT I DO WANT TO CONTINUE OUR EDUCATION PROGRAM.
AND SO I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE SOMEONE FROM THE DIGITAL TWIN PROJECT AT YOU KNOW.
WITHIN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, CURRENTLY A PILOT PROJECT IN JACKSONVILLE.
AND I'D LIKE TO HEAR ABOUT THAT AND SEE. SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN LEARN.
SO ANOTHER THING THAT I RESEARCHED AND KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT NOW, AND THAT IS THAT THERE ARE THERE ARE CASE STUDIES OF VARIOUS CITIES AROUND THE UNITED STATES CHARLESTON, SAVANNAH, ASPEN, PARK CITY, CARMEL BY THE SEA, NANTUCKET. AND THEN IN IN FLORIDA, PALM BEACH, SARASOTA, WINTER PARK, DELRAY BEACH, SAINT AUGUSTINE. THESE PLACES THAT HAVE BEEN LOOKED AT IN TERMS OF HOW THEY HAVE DONE THEIR CITY MANAGEMENT AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT DECISIONS THEY'VE MADE. SOMETIMES GOOD DECISIONS, SOMETIMES NOT SO GOOD.
AND I THINK THAT THAT AS A CITY, AS A PLANNING BOARD, IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO US TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT AND, AND TO FIND OUT WHAT VERY SOPHISTICATED, TERRIFIC CITIES LIKE NAPLES HAVE DONE, ARE DOING AND SO FORTH, RIGHT AND WRONG. AND SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT AS A SECOND STEP IN OUR EDUCATION PROCESS.
SO THAT'S THE YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE OTHER PIECE OF EDUCATION I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE.
AND SO IN SUMMARY, I THINK WE NEED TO LEARN FROM THE CITY, LEARN FROM OTHER COMMUNITIES, THEN GET TOGETHER, PERHAPS HAVE A WORKSHOP, OR JUST DO IT AT A REGULAR MEETING WHERE WE DISCUSS OUR FINDINGS AND THEN ESTABLISH PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD PLANNING COLLABORATIVELY.
SO THAT'S THE GENERAL OVERVIEW. AND I THINK THAT THERE'S FOUR THINGS THAT WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO TO DO, AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PROPER PROCEDURAL MECHANISM FOR THIS WOULD BE.
SO AND THAT CAN ONLY REALLY GO BE PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL AS A CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD.
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OKAY. SO YEAH. GOOD. SO I'LL MENTION THE FOUR ITEMS THAT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO DO.WHICH INCLUDES NUMBER ONE, ASK CITY COUNCIL TO BLESS THE EXPANDED ROLE THAT I'M SUGGESTING.
SECONDLY, UNDER UNDER SECTION TWO HYPHEN FIVE, FIVE, THREE, B AND E I WOULD LIKE TO ASK FOR FUNDING FOR SOME OF THE, THE WORK THAT WE MAY DO, INCLUDING INVITING SPEAKERS TO COME AND SPEAK TO THE BOARD.
AND THE SUGGESTED NUMBER THAT I HAVE IN MIND WOULD BE $10,000 NOT TO EXCEED $10,000.
AND FOR THE, THE EXPENDITURES TO BE APPROVED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS BY CITY COUNCIL, THOSE SLOW THINGS DOWN, BUT IT'LL, IT'LL PROVIDE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY.
AND THEN TO ASK FOR A MEMBER OF CITY STAFF TO BE DEDICATED TO OUR PLANNING FUNCTION.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE CITY CODE WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT MR. YOUNG WOULD HAVE TO CONSIDER. AND THEN AND THEN ASSIGN IF YOU CHOSE TO DO THAT.
AND IF HE THINKS THIS IS A WORTHWHILE THING. SO SO THAT'S NUMBER TWO A AND TWO B THAT WAS TWO A AND B I'M ASKED FOR CITY COUNCIL BLESSING. ASK FOR FUNDING ASK FOR DEDICATED STAFF.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN NUMBER THOSE. I HAD THOSE TWO A AND B, I HAD A BLESS HER EXPANDED ROLE.
OKAY. FUNDING FOR EDUCATION OUTREACH AND STAFF MEMBER DEDICATED TO OKAY, GOOD.
SO THAT'S THREE. SO FOUR IS CONTINUING EDUCATION, INCLUDING THE CASE STUDY STUDIES I'D MENTIONED.
AND THEN LASTLY, AND I KNOW THAT THIS IS DIFFICULT, BUT TO REQUEST AT SOME STAGE A WORKSHOP OR AT A PAB MEETING, THE CITY MANAGER, THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER, DOCTOR GEORGE, PLANNING DIRECTOR, ALL OF WHOM ARE OFTEN HERE TO ESTABLISH PLANNING PRIORITIES COLLABORATIVELY, COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE PAB SO THAT WE CAN SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD IN A WAY THAT'S BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY AND USING OUR RESOURCES PROPERLY.
SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I WOULD SUGGEST WE DO AS A CHAIRMAN.
I'M GOING TO JUST COMMENT INITIALLY AND THEN OTHER PEOPLE TOUCH IN.
BUT YOU KNOW BLESSING AND EXPANDED ROLE. UNLESS YOU HAVE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR IS ON THE LIST.
THAT'S THAT THAT'S DEAD ON ARRIVAL. IN MY OPINION, FUNDING FOR EDUCATIONAL SPEAKERS WITH A BUDGET.
I, YOU KNOW, TO ME THAT AND THE CLET WRAPPED TOGETHER.
BUT I FOUND THAT THAT THE CITY MANAGER'S ATTENDANCE AND EXPLANATION WITH MR. DOCTOR GEORGE, TODAY WAS VERY HELPFUL. THAT'S A NON.
AND IF WHAT YOU WERE ASKING FOR IS THAT HAVE A SPEAKER FROM VARIOUS ASPECTS OF CITY GOVERNMENT COMING IN AND MAKING SURE THAT, THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR FORWARD LOOKING ACTIVITIES ARE.
I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE. A STAFF MEMBER FOR PABI JUST IT IT JUST MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. I'M SORRY. IT WE'RE WE'RE GETTING EXCELLENT WORK FROM OUR STAFF.
I THINK THERE'S A LOT FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN FROM THE CITY COUNCIL, THERE'S NOT A GREAT ENTHUSIASM FOR GIVING US MORE WORKER POWER, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. SO I WOULD BE AGAINST.
I'M IN FAVOR OF SOME OF THE CONCEPTS, BUT TAKE THE EXPENSE PIECE OFF OF IT.
IF THERE'S A WAY, IF I IF I COULD JUST IF I COULD JUST RESPOND AND EXPLAIN.
IS THAT OKAY? I'M SORRY LUKE, JUST JUST REAL QUICKLY ON THE EXPENSE SIDE OF THINGS I, I SPECIFICALLY WOULD REQUEST THAT THE, THAT ANY EXPENSES THAT WOULD BE USED WOULD BE SPECIFICALLY APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND.
OKAY. AND THEN, BUT IT'S NOT THE, THE CITY STAFF THAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT COMING IN, IT MIGHT BE SOMEBODY WHO WOULD COME IN FROM FROM THE UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA WHO IS RUNNING THE DIGITAL TWIN PROGRAM, WHO I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM.
AND SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME TRAVEL EXPENSES RELATED TO THAT.
THAT'S THE ONLY REASON THAT I SUGGEST THAT NOT BECAUSE I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, BUILD A BIG FUND.
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AND THEN ON THE ON THE CITY ON THE CITY STAFF.MY THINKING WAS THAT IF WE DID NEED SOME HELP FROM SOMEBODY, IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A DEDICATED PERSON, NOT A NEW PERSON, BUT A DEDICATED PERSON THAT WE COULD GO TO.
AND MR. YOUNG WOULD BE WOULD BE BETTER SUITED TO DETERMINE WHETHER THAT WAS POSSIBLE.
AND IF SO, WHO THAT PERSON MIGHT BE. BECAUSE ERICA, WHO I WOULD CALL FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, SHE'S ALREADY DOING THE JOB OF TWO PEOPLE. AND SO I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO OVERBURDEN ANY PARTICULAR PERSON.
SO THAT WAS THE REASONING BEHIND IT. LUKE. YEAH, I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT'S ANY SECRET.
I COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH ALL OF THIS. WE HAVE A DEFINED ROLE AS A BOARD AND WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO STICK TO THAT DEFINED ROLE AND DO OUR JOB AND DO IT VERY WELL. WHEN IT COMES TO HAVING SPEAKERS COME IN, I THINK IT'S ON OUR OWN BEHALF TO DO THAT ON OUR OWN AND EDUCATE OURSELVES ON OUR OWN ABOUT THINGS, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THIS IS THE PLACE TO HAVE OUR BOARD SIT AND STAFF SIT FOR HOURS AND HOURS BEYOND WHAT OUR PURVIEW IS. SO STAFF, I MEAN, LET'S LET WE'RE NOT HAVING A DEBATE.
EVERYBODY GETS TO MAKE A COMMENT AND THEN YOU CAN COMMENT IN THE END.
OKAY. THANK YOU. OBVIOUSLY, STAFF IS ALREADY, I WOULD SAY, OVERWHELMED.
I'M A BUILDER. I KNOW HOW HARD THEY WORK AND THEIR DEFINED ROLE, LET ALONE THE ADDED ROLES FOR, FOR COUNCIL AND, AND PAB AND OTHER BOARDS THAT ARE HERE FOR.
SO THE TIME JUST ISN'T THERE TO, YOU KNOW, TO, IN ESSENCE, TREAT THEM LIKE ALMOST OUR ASSISTANTS AND HAVE THEM DOING THINGS OUTSIDE OF WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE, OUR, OUR DEFINED ROLE IS TO BE REACTIONARY. IT IS TO HAVE PEOPLE COME TO US WITH PETITIONS THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO REVIEW AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL ON. SO, YOU KNOW, ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL ROLES.
THERE'S NO REASON TO SIT HERE AND HAVE MASSIVE DISCUSSIONS AND DOCUMENTATION WHEN CITY COUNCIL MAY DISAGREE THAT WE DON'T NEED AN EXPANDED ROLE, WE NEED TO DO OUR OUR ROLE PROPERLY. THANK YOU.
DAN. ANY COMMENT? SURE. SO, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE THE YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. I ALSO THOUGH AGREE THAT WE ARE AN ADVISORY BOARD AND WE'RE APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BASICALLY DO THE JOB THAT IS THAT IS IN FRONT OF US.
AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN DO CERTAIN THINGS AS AN ADVISORY BOARD IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL THAN, THAN WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING. AND I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM NECESSARILY WITH THAT.
SO LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE WANTED TO HAVE PLANNING AND POLICY DISCUSSION AS A STANDING AGENDA.
AGENDA ITEM, I DON'T SEE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT.
THAT JUST KIND OF ADDS TO OUR YOU KNOW, ONGOING AGENDAS HAVING WORKSHOPS THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED AND YOU KNOW, PUT THROUGH, BUT THAT'S, WE AS A BOARD SHOULDN'T FEEL, YOU KNOW, WE CAN COME FORWARD AND PRESENT THOSE.
AND IF THEY APPROVE IT, GREAT. IF NOT, THEN THAT'S KIND OF WHERE IT LANDS.
AND THEN I ALSO LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING SOME SORT OF OUTSIDE ADVISORY PARTICIPATION.
BUT IF, IF WE AS AND THIS IS A QUESTION, IF WE AS BOARD MEMBERS HAVE CONTACT WITH SOMEONE THAT WE FEEL WOULD BE ADVANTAGEOUS FOR THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD TO HEAR FROM OR SPEAK IN PUBLIC.
AND WE, YOU KNOW, KIND OF KIND OF ARRANGE FOR THEM TO COME IN.
IS THAT PART OF SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO, OR IS THAT NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE INITIATED? I'M ASKING WHOEVER CAN ANSWER THAT. SORRY. SO I WOULD THINK IF YOU COULD ACT IN THE SAME CAPACITY AS COUNCIL, WHEN ONE MEMBER PROPOSES, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT YOU'RE DOING AT THIS VERY MOMENT IS PROPOSING TO SEND SOMETHING TO COUNCIL.
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BUT YOU INVITING A SPEAKER TO SPEAK ON YOUR BEHALF AND ASK, ASKING AND GETTING A MAJORITY CONSENSUS, AND THE STAFF LIAISON, WHO IS ERICA? WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THE AGENDA ITEM IS ADDED AS IS WAS RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED.BUT AS FAR AS GOING OUT AND RECRUITING AND AS YOU DETERMINE, I WAS ALLUDING TO IN TERMS OF WHAT WAS ALLUDED TO THERE, I THINK IT ORGANICALLY APPEARING FROM THE BOARD AND THEN HELPING FACILITATE BASED ON THAT DIRECTIVE, I THINK IT WOULD BE IS WHAT THE STAFF LIAISON IS FOR.
YEAH. AND IT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN AT A MEETING BECAUSE IF CORRECT, ALL OF YOU ARE IN A ROOM.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE THE HARM IN THAT. AND THAT'S NOT ADDING TO ANY COSTS.
IT'S NOT ADDING TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S ADDING JUST A LITTLE ELEMENT TO OUR MEETING TO THEN DECIDE, OKAY, WHAT DO WE AS A BOARD WANT TO TRY TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL ON? BUT BEYOND THAT, I DON'T WANT TO OVERREACH AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF GO FURTHER THAN THE RESPONSIBILITIES THAT WE HAVE AS THE ADVISORY BOARD THAT WE ARE. JOHANNA, ANY COMMENT? SURPRISINGLY, YES.
NOT A SURPRISE. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS A NICE TO HAVE.
CERTAINLY EDUCATION IS ALWAYS, ALWAYS A GOOD THING.
LOOKING TO THE FUTURE IS A GOOD THING. PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE IS A GOOD THING.
AND WE KNOW THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS HAS GOT A LOT OF WORK.
AND KUDOS TO ERIKA AND HER TEAM FOR KEEPING THEIR HEADS ABOVE WATER.
THIS RELIES ON GETTING ADDITIONAL FTE FROM THE CITY AND FUNDING, WHICH WE KNOW IS TIGHT AND DEPENDING ON HOW THE THE THE VOTE GOES ON. LOCAL TAXES ON IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, IT COULD GET EVEN WORSE. I THINK WE RISK MISSION CREEP HERE.
AND WE CERTAINLY, AS MY COLLEAGUES HAVE SAID, WE, WE DO NOT WANT TO DILUTE THE BOARD'S CORE QUASI JUDICIAL REVIEW ROLE. AND AS I SAY, STAFF CAPACITY, BUDGET CONSTRAINTS FOR ADDED MEETING SPEAKERS, ETC..
SO I, I CANNOT SUPPORT THIS AT THIS JUNCTURE.
OKAY, I'M GOING TO GO DOWN, YOU'RE GOING TO GET LAST SAY, OKAY.
SALLY. YEAH, A LOT OF WHAT WE DO IN THE QUASI JUDICIAL PART OF OUR ROLE IS IN FACT REACTIONARY.
WE'RE THE PLANNING ZONING BOARD FOR THE CITY AND THE PLANNING BOARD FOR THE CITY.
AND IN THAT INHERENTLY IS LONG RANGE PLANNING.
SO I DON'T SEE WHAT GREG IS PROPOSING IS ACTUALLY AN EXPANSION OF OUR AUTHORITY.
I THINK IT ALL CAN BE DONE WITHIN THE PROCESS OF PERFECTING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
AND WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS USE THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS AN OUTLINE, AS A REPORT CARD THAT WE MONITOR OVER TIME AND ASK THE QUESTION CONTINUOUSLY OF STAFF OF THE COMMUNITY. ARE WE BEING HOLDING PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE TO WHAT WE'VE SAID WE SHOULD BE DOING IN THE PLAN? THAT SHOULD BE A PART OF OUR ROLE? I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN EXPANSION OF OUR AUTHORITY.
I THINK THAT IS OUR AUTHORITY. MR. CHAIR, WAIT A MINUTE.
I'M WORKING. SIR. YES, SIR. I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE FINISHED, BUT I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO A FEW THINGS THAT GARY MENTIONED AND JUST MAYBE PUT THIS AT A INTO CONTEXT. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD THAT'S SET UP IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, AND IT PRESCRIBES VERY CLEARLY WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO.
BUT IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU'RE ALSO THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY.
AND THAT'S BY LAW, UNDER FLORIDA STATUTE, THAT EVERY LOCAL GOVERNING BODY APPOINTS SOME ENTITY TO BE THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY AS WAS BEING REFERRED TO WHICH SO YOU HAVE THAT ROLE OF DEALING WITH THE PETITIONS, LIKE VARIANCES, THE THINGS THAT YOU HEARD TODAY, WHICH ARE QUASI-JUDICIAL ITEMS, THOSE TO GET THOSE TO YOU IS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK.
LIKE WHAT'S BEHIND THAT IS A LOT OF WORK, LIKE THE THE MEETINGS WITH THE APPLICANTS, MAKING SURE THAT THE APPLICATIONS ARE COMPLETE BEFORE THEY ARRIVE. AND SO THAT THAT FUNCTION ALONE HAS TO HAPPEN.
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AMENDMENTS THE, THE, BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE ADOPTED BY AN ORDINANCE COME FORWARD AND YOU REVIEW IT.BUT YES, THERE IS ALSO THAT MONITORING AND PERFECTING THING.
BUT WHAT I WANT TO ALSO LET YOU KNOW IS THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY, I'LL SAY THIS MEETING RIGHT NOW TOUCHES ALL THREE OF THE CHARTER OFFICERS IN THE CITY.
SO YOU HAVE THE CITY CLERK WHO'S HERE BASICALLY AND NOT.
AND BEHIND THAT, THEY HAVE TO POST THE ADS AND DO ALL THAT WORK.
YOU HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THAT PREPARES FOR THIS MEETING AND IS HERE, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, ERIC HAS THE EXTENSION OF THE CITY MANAGER.
SO ALL OF THAT IS INVOLVED IN THESE MEETINGS.
SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT IT'S A BAD IDEA TO THAT PART OF, YOU KNOW, LOOKING INTO, I DON'T THINK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST LIKE HAVING PEOPLE COME IN JUST TO EDUCATE US, BUT I THINK YOU HAVE TO COUCH IT INTO YOUR ROLE AS THE, YOU KNOW, MONITORING AND PERFECTING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, ALL OF THAT IS A FINANCIAL DECISION, YOU KNOW, FOR NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, HAVING ANOTHER STAFF PERSON OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT DEDICATED TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD.
BUT IT'S ALSO IMPACTING THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.
IT'S IMPACTING THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, WHICH ULTIMATELY, I THINK IS A FINANCIAL DECISION THAT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND AND YOU HAVE TO DIRECT THAT TO THE CITY COUNCIL, BECAUSE WHEN YOU READ BOTH THE STATUTE AND THE CODE, IT SAYS THAT THOSE THAT THOSE FUNDS HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL. SO NOT SAYING IT'S A BAD IDEA, BUT I THINK YOU GOT TO ASK THE CITY COUNCIL AND REALLY COST THAT OUT, NOT JUST IN TERMS OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, BUT ALL THE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN CONDUCTING THESE MEETINGS.
THANK YOU JOE. SO WHAT I'M MOST CONCERNED ABOUT IS THAT WE PERFORM WELL ON OUR CORE RESPONSIBILITIES. AND I WOULD JUST I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT WE ADDED A RESILIENCY ELEMENT AND OUR COMMUNITY WOULD DESCRIBE RESILIENCY AS BEING THE MOST CRITICAL ISSUE.
AND TODAY, FOR THE FIRST TIME, WE HEARD FROM DOCTOR GEORGE AND MR. YOUNG ABOUT RESILIENCY. DOESN'T FEEL RIGHT TO ME.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M GOING TO TRY TO BE CLEAR ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS.
STAFF IS MY RESPONSIBILITY, AS IS THEIR BUDGET.
AND EVERY POSITION THAT IS FUNDED AS DIRECTED BY MY STAFF, EXCEPT FOR THE TWO CHARTER EMPLOYEES, REQUIRES A BUDGET, AND ANY CHANGE IN ANY COSTS RELATED TO PAB MUST BE APPROVED BY COUNCIL.
THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO BE CLEAR ADDING A STANDING ITEM TO A MEETING TO HAVE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.
I CAN TELL YOU HOW MANY CALLS ALISON TOOK YESTERDAY RELATED TO RIGHT OF WAY PERMITS.
ET CETERA. SO TRAFFIC AND AND I SAY THIS WITH THE UTMOST RESPECT.
I'D RATHER PLAN A MEETING WHERE ME, ALISON, COME IN HERE AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE AND THEN TELL YOU THE NEXT TIME WE'RE GOING TO BE HERE, THAN I WOULD TO HAVE A STANDING ITEM ON AN AGENDA THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.
SO THAT'S THAT PART. SECOND THING ON RESILIENCY, WE HAVE HAD NOT LESS THAN SIX MEETINGS WITH CITY COUNCIL GOING BACK TO LAST AUGUST. THEN IT WAS MAY, THEN IT WAS IN JUNE, THEN WE DID IT IN AUGUST, THEN WE DID IT IN SEPTEMBER, AND WE CAME BACK A SECOND TIME IN SEPTEMBER JUST TO GIVE THE SAME UPDATE THAT WE DID JUST HERE.
SO US, AS WE'RE TRYING TO NAVIGATE DOING THE WORK AT THE SAME TIME.
AND SO I'M SORRY IF YOU TAKE OFFENSE TO IT, BUT MY POINT BEING IS NO, I JUST WANT I WANT.
BUT MY POINT IS WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE WORK. AND WHEN IN THE TWO LINE UP, RIGHT AS I SAW WHAT THE REQUEST WAS ABOUT EDUCATION, THIS AND THAT, AND I WROTE DOWN, SO WHEN ARE WE GOING TO FINISH THE COMP PLAN? AND WHEN I SAY THAT, I SAY AT THE UTMOST RESPECTIVE WAY IS BECAUSE BEFORE I THINK OF DOING THIS AND THIS, I NEED TO GET US HERE. SO WE'RE NOT TRUDGING OVER THE SAME TERRITORY AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.
[04:15:01]
MAKE IT FROM A UNIFIED BOARD. IT WAS JUST FRIDAY AT 9 A.M..WE TALKED ABOUT THE BUILD OUT DISCUSSION, DID WE NOT? ERICA AND I TALKED ABOUT TECH SERVICES, ABOUT WHERE THEY STOOD ON IT.
BUT, BUT WHEN YOU'RE ASKING FOR RESOURCES, THERE'S ONE BODY.
IT NEEDS TO BE SPECIFIC. AND IT'S NEVER A DIRECTION TO ME BECAUSE THE CHARTER IS CLEAR THAT THE DIRECTION I TAKE AS IT IT'S FROM COUNCIL AND THEREFORE, AND THEY CAN'T DIRECT ME THROUGH ANOTHER BODY AND I WILL DIRECT STAFF.
AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME AND BEND THEIR EAR ALL DAY.
IF YOU DON'T THINK I'M DOING THAT OR IF I'M DOING MY JOB.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT HAS TO COME FROM THEM.
AND YOUR REQUEST NEEDS TO BE SPECIFIC. AND BUT I'LL ALWAYS TRY TO ACCOMMODATE.
BUT TO I DON'T THINK IT'S SAD MAYBE THAT IT WASN'T ASKED BEFORE, BUT WHEN I CAME DOWN THOSE STAIRS AND STOOD RIGHT THERE AND I THINK IT WAS MAYBE MR. FOWLER AT THE TIME, OR YOURSELF THAT SAID, IT'D BE NICE IF WE HAD AN UPDATE ON RESILIENCY.
OKAY. WHEN THAT CAN COULD TAKE PLACE IS WHEN IT TOOK PLACE AND YOU WEREN'T HERE OVER THE SUMMER, I CAN ASSURE YOU. I MEAN, AS A BOARD, I WAS. AND SO I SAY THAT WITH THE UTMOST RESPECT.
IS YOUR COUNCIL AND THE LIAISON THAT YOU HAVE TO FACILITATE IS MY DECISION.
AND I HOPE YOU FEEL IT'S ADEQUATE. AND IF NOT, WE'LL HAVE A SEPARATE CONVERSATION.
SO THANK YOU. I'D JUST LIKE TO COME BACK TO YOU ON A COUPLE OF THINGS THERE.
FIRSTLY, YOU MENTIONED THE RESILIENCY STUDY YOU'VE PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL SIX TIMES.
I'D JUST LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THOSE VIDEOS ARE AVAILABLE ONLINE.
SO WE CAN SEE THESE THINGS. AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO LOOK FOR THEM ON THE TRAFFIC ITEM.
YOU MADE A REFERENCE TO STANDING ITEMS. I THINK I DIDN'T SAY USELESS, BUT SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THE REASON WE PUT TRAFFIC ON HERE FOR AN UPDATE IS, AS I JUST SAID EARLIER, OVER TWO YEARS AGO, WE ASKED FOR A TRAFFIC STUDY AND HERE WE ARE TWO YEARS LATER.
I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT WE'VE SPENT. WE'VE SEEN ABSOLUTE CRICKETS FROM THIS.
ALSO. THAT'S A BRITISH TERM. NO. YEAH. IS IT? YES. CLICK. CLICK. OKAY. THANK YOU. SORRY. AND ALSO, I RAISED THE QUESTION AT THE LAST MEETING.
YOUR COLLEAGUE WAS NOT HERE. I'VE NOT HAD THAT QUESTION ANSWERED.
IT'S EITHER BEING IGNORED OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT.
YEAH. AND I WANT TO I WANT TO ADDRESS IT. IS THAT FAIR? YES. IT'S VERY FAIR. AND I WANT TO ADDRESS THAT BECAUSE I DIDN'T I WAS USING THAT AS A MICROCOSM ON THE REQUEST FOR THE GENERAL PLANNING ITEM.
AND I HOPE IF I DID THAT WRONG, I APOLOGIZE. LET ME BE CLEAR.
IT WAS LONGER THAN TWO YEARS BECAUSE IT WAS IT WAS STARTED FOR A YEAR.
IT WAS STARTED FOR A YEAR BEFORE THEY CHANGED VENDORS.
THE POINT THAT I MADE, THE REASON I WAS MAKING THAT IS I WANTED IT TO.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A STANDING ITEM WHERE I HAVE A DIRECTOR OR A DEPUTY DIRECTOR AT THIS POINT.
YEAH. AND THAT'S, THAT'S ABSOLUTELY FAIR. AND I DON'T THINK ANYBODY EXPECTS YOU TO BE HERE AT EVERY SINGLE, EVERY SINGLE MEETING. IT'S ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO SEE YOU OR TO SEE DOCTOR GEORGE WHEN YOU KNOW SERIOUSLY, WHEN WHEN YOU GUYS HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. I WANT TO I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GET WHAT YOU.
BUT I PROMISE GREG, HE HAS THE LAST WORD. WOULD NOW BE A GOOD TIME FOR ME TO ASK FOR UNANIMOUS CONSENT? NO, SERIOUSLY. WHEN I JOINED THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD.
AND AND AS SALLY SAID MY REQUEST IS, I THINK FULLY CONSISTENT WITH THE, THE ORDINANCE THAT ESTABLISHES THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AND THAT IS TO BE A PLANNING BOARD TO PLAN.
AND I SEE THAT THERE'S NOT MUCH OF AN APPETITE FOR THAT.
AND AND SO AS A RESULT, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS INSTEAD OF GOING DOWN TO DEFEAT, I THINK I WILL WITHDRAW MY MOTION AND AND THEN JUST PLAN ON COMING TO THE MEETINGS AND CALL BALLS AND STRIKES ON VARIANCES AND, AND CONDITIONAL USES.
[04:20:06]
AND IF THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU ALL, THEN SO BE IT.NO, UNLESS YOU HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING. I CAN SAVE IT.
OKAY. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, MOVE ON.
I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, THERE'S EVERYBODY TAKES THEIR JOB AS A MEMBER OF THIS BOARD SERIOUSLY.
BUT I DO APPRECIATE THE CIVILIZED MANNER IN WHICH EVERYBODY BEHAVES HERE.
GREG HAS MY CIVILITY BUTTON ON HIS JACKET, SO I KNOW WHAT HE TOLD ME.
I KNOW YOU DIDN'T BECAUSE YOU WERE CIVIL. SO WE HAVE A COUPLE MORE ITEMS, I THINK ON THE AGENDA AND WE SHOULD KIND OF PUSH THROUGH IT.
IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY AND THEN WE CAN TAKE IT UP FROM THERE.
SO I THINK 11 B IS THAT CORRECT. INFORMATION MODELING.
SO THAT'S DONE RIGHT. AND I WILL ALSO ADD TO THAT COUNCIL HAS VOICED THE SAME THAT THAT CAME UP AS A PRETTY CONSISTENT THEME THROUGHOUT THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. THAT INFORMATION MODELING WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL.
COUNCIL HAS SAID THE SAME SO THAT YOU CAN CHECK THAT OFF YOUR LIST AS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL MOVE.
YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS LOOKING INTO THAT WHERE WE'RE STARTING HERE.
I PROVIDED A MEMO ON WHERE WE'RE STARTING, BUT WE WILL CONTINUE TO PURSUE THAT.
THANK YOU. 11C11C IS THE VOTING RECORD. THIS IS ANOTHER STANDING ITEM.
[11.C) Provision of September 9, 2026, PAB Action Report and City Council Voting Record through September 16, 2026.]
THIS IS I JUST PROVIDE TO YOU THE ACTION REPORT OF THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD FROM YOUR LAST MEETING, AND THEN ALSO THE COUNCIL VOTING RECORD THROUGH THE SEPTEMBER 16TH MEETING.REMEMBER, I'M PUBLISHING AN AGENDA ON THE DAY OF THE MEETING.
SO I'M ALWAYS GOING TO BE ONE COUNCIL MEETING BEHIND.
BUT SO THAT JUST AND THAT'S JUST FOR YOU TO WEIGH, YOU KNOW, KIND OF WE JUST ASK FOR THAT FOR INFORMATION PURPOSES, COMPARE YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS AGAINST COUNCIL'S VOTING RECORD, WHICH I JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT'S SUPER, SUPER HELPFUL TO ME. SO THANK YOU. GOOD. THAT'S AN EASY ONE.
THAT'S AN EASY ADDITION TO THE AGENDA. AND THEN LAST BUT VERY IMPORTANTLY IS THE PROPOSED SCHEDULE THE 2027 MEETING SCHEDULE OF THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. SO YOU'LL SEE, GENERALLY, THIS BOARD MEETS THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF EVERY MONTH.
SO TAKE A LOOK IF YOU HAVE ALREADY LOOKED AND EVERYONE FEELS GOOD ABOUT THIS.
THIS IS WHAT IS PROPOSED. WHAT ARE THE CHANGE DATES? BECAUSE OH BOY, DECEMBER 10TH, IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER ARE DIFFERENT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE HOLIDAYS IN THERE.
AND THEN THERE MAY BE. YEAH. FRIDAY IS IS THE DECEMBER MEETING OKAY OR DECEMBER IS A FRIDAY. SORRY, DECEMBER IS A FRIDAY MEETING.
OKAY. CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CALENDAR? SECOND. GO AHEAD. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AYE. OKAY. THANK YOU. WHO? WHO HAD THE SECOND? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT WE NEED TO DEAL WITH TODAY? UNDER UNDER BOARD CORRESPONDENT COMMUNICATION.
YES. I HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY. YES. OKAY. OKAY.
SO IN ADDITION TO TRAFFIC, WHICH IS VERY DEAR TO THIS BOARD, SO IS WORKFORCE HOUSING.
SO IS WORKFORCE HOUSING. AND VICE MAYOR RAISED AN ISSUE AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, I THINK IT WAS.
GARY. JUST FOR INFORMATION, REALLY THERE'S TEN ACRES OF LAND THAT THE CITY IS LOOKING AT WHICH MAY BE USED FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING TO IT.
YEAH. WE DID. COUNCIL AGREED TO, TO AT LEAST HAVE ANOTHER EXPLORATORY MEETING.
MEMBER BLANKENSHIP AND I MET WITH A GENTLEMAN FROM THE COLLIER LAND TRUST, I BELIEVE.
I DON'T REMEMBER HIS NAME, BUT FORGIVE ME. IT WAS LAST WEDNESDAY.
HE'S RUNNING SOME PRELIMINARY NUMBERS BASED ON OUR DENSITY.
ET CETERA. ET CETERA. YOU SEE IF IT'S EVEN PLAUSIBLE.
AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A FOLLOW UP DISCUSSION ON THAT.
SO YES. GREAT. THANKS. THANKS, GARY. AND THEN SECONDLY YOU KNOW, ON THIS TOPIC OF WE SEEM, THERE SEEMS TO BE A DESIRE FOR US TO SORT OF FEED THE INFORMATION TO, TO THE RESIDENTS.
YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, NOT IN FAVOR OF US DOING THAT ON EVERY SITUATION.
I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE NANNY STATE LIKE THAT.
[04:25:04]
NOW, I WILL ADD THAT I KNOW WITH THE COMP PLAN WE HAD TWO LISTENING SESSIONS.IT WAS HIGHER THAN THAT. OR WAS IT HIGHER THAN THAT? IT WASN'T.
IT WASN'T THE 20,000 RESIDENTS WE CLAIMED TO HAVE OR 18,000 RESIDENTS WE CLAIM TO HAVE.
IT WAS A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF RESIDENTS, BUT I THINK IN THE COMP PLAN CONSULTANT SHOWED IN.
IT WAS NOT DE MINIMIS IN THE SENSE OF REGULAR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT TURNOUT.
NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT. I'M SAYING THAT. HOW TO PUT THIS CAREFULLY.
AND YET THEY'RE NOT BEING PROACTIVE, THEY'RE BEING REACTIVE.
AND IT'S SOMETHING WHICH I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN COPE WITH, EXCEPT I DO ENCOURAGE THE HOA'S TO MONITOR WHAT'S GOING ON, TO FEED THAT BACK TO AND TO THAT JUST ANYONE LISTENING OUT THERE.
WE OBVIOUSLY PUBLISH THESE AGENDAS EVERY, YOU KNOW, ONE WEEK BEFORE THE MEETINGS, BUT THAT'S THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, THE PAB AND CITY COUNCIL, BUT ALSO FOR OUR DEPARTMENT, ALL OF THESE ITEMS THAT ARE ON THESE AGENDAS, WE PUBLISH ON OUR WEBSITE THE SUBMITTAL MATERIAL AS SOON AS WE GET IT.
SO OFTEN 30 DAYS OR MAYBE SLIGHTLY MORE BEFORE THE MEETING.
SO THERE SHOULD BE NO SURPRISES. AND FOR ME, THAT'S VERY USEFUL. I WAS AWAY FOR THREE WEEKS, BUT I WAS ABLE TO SEE WHAT WAS HITTING BEFORE THE AGENDA GOT. YEAH, IT WON'T BE STAFF REPORTS OR RESOLUTIONS OR ORDINANCES, BUT YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT WAS SUBMITTED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ERICA. OKAY.
OTHER COMMENTS. I JUST HAD A QUESTION ON THE NOTICES.
SO ANYONE WHO'S INTERESTED ONE WEEK AHEAD OF THE MEETING, WHICH IS WHEN COUNCIL GETS THEM AS WELL.
[11.D) Approval of the 2027 Planning Advisory Board Meeting Schedule.]
SO THERE'S NO HEAD START FOR ANYONE. BUT YEAH, ONE WEEK OUT OF THE MEETING, IF YOU LOOK ON OUR WEBSITE, THAT'S WHEN ALL THE AGENDAS ARE POSTED AND THE NOTICE ONLY GOES, THE MAILED NOTICE ONLY GOES TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 1000FT OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.SO GREAT. THANK YOU. YOU DID A GREAT JOB TODAY.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN LONG AND STRESSFUL. IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH FOR YOUR HARD WORK.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.