Sep 14, 2026 City Council Workshop

[1) CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL]

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GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO THIS SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2026 CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP.

MR. HORTON, WILL YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? COUNCIL MEMBER.

BARTON HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER.

KROLL HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ.

SHE HAS AN EXCUSED ABSENCE. HI, DAVID. OKAY. VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP HERE.

MAYOR HARTMAN HERE. THANK YOU. AND IF YOU'LL STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

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JUST ONE ITEM. WE ISSUED A SUPPLEMENT ON ITEM, EXCUSE ME FOR A, WHICH IS A PRESENTATION BY THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY. AND THEY HAD UPDATED THE PRESENTATION, AND THAT'S THE ONLY CHANGE THAT I HAVE TO THE AGENDA, MA'AM. OKAY. ANY. GOOD MORNING. ANY CHANGES? COMMENTS.

COUNCIL. MOTION TO APPROVE. I MOVE TO APPROVE.

SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER.

ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? THANK YOU.

COUNCIL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. MOVING TO ANNOUNCEMENTS AND PRESENTATIONS.

[4.A) Presentation of the City of Naples Airport Authority Fiscal Year 2027 Draft Operating and Capital Budget presented by Chris Rozansky, Executive Director (Supplement 1/Updated Item).]

THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS KEN WARNER. I'M THE SENIOR DIRECTOR OF FINANCE AND ADMINISTRATION AT THE AIRPORT. I'M HERE TODAY TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW OF OUR FY 2027 BUDGET, WHICH WILL GO BEFORE OUR BOARD LATER THIS WEEK FOR APPROVAL.

THIS IS THE AUGUST DRAFT THAT THEY THEY SAW LAST MONTH.

THERE IS NO ACTION REQUIRED BY THE CITY COUNCIL.

IT'S A COURTESY PRESENTATION THIS MORNING.

THE FIRST THING CITY NAPLES AIRPORT, WHICH IS PRIMARILY OWNED BY THE CITY OF NAPLES, WAS LEASED TO THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY IN 1969 UNDER THE 99 YEAR LEASE.

IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1943 AS A US ARMY CORPS AIR BASE TO TRAIN PILOTS FOR WORLD WAR TWO, THE AIRPORT'S USER FEE FUNDED FOR ANNUAL OPERATING EXPENSES AND FOR MOST OF OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS.

HISTORICALLY, WE'VE GOTTEN 2 TO $3 MILLION A YEAR IN FAA OR FEDERAL OR STATE GRANTS FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS.

THAT'S PRIMARILY IN THE FORM OF AVIATION FUEL TAXES THAT WE PAY, THAT WE GET BACK IN THE FORM OF A GRANT.

REVENUES HAVE INCREASED STEADILY OVER THE PAST DECADE AS NAPLES HAS BECOME A DESTINATION FOR PEOPLE ALL AROUND THE WORLD.

POST REDEVELOPMENT HAS SEEN A BIG EXPANSION IN LUXURY REAL ESTATE, ATTRACTING HIGH NET INDIVIDUAL TRAVELERS WHO PREDOMINANTLY USE PRIVATE AVIATION AS THEIR MEANS OF TRAVEL.

AND THEN THE AIRPORT DOES SERVE GENERAL AVIATION.

HOWEVER, AMERICAN AIRLINES DID SUBMIT A LETTER OF INTENT TO REINSTATE AIRLINE SERVICE TO THE AIRPORT LATER THIS YEAR.

WE STILL DO NOT HAVE AN AGREEMENT. WE'RE WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW WITH THEM, AND I'LL GO TO OUR BOARD FOR THE AGREEMENT APPROVAL IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS.

HOWEVER, WE DO HAVE AIRLINE REVENUE AND AIRLINE EXPENSES IN THIS DRAFT OF THE BUDGET.

FOR OPERATING REVENUE. YOU KNOW, WE POST OUR RATES AND CHARGES ON OUR ON OUR WEBSITE.

WE'VE UPDATED THOSE FOR FOR FISCAL 27. FUEL IS OUR PRIMARY SOURCE OF REVENUE.

IT'S ABOUT 65% OF OUR ANNUAL REVENUE. WE DID BUDGET FOR A 2% INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF GALLONS OVER THIS YEAR'S ACTUAL.

AND WE MAINTAIN THE MARGIN THAT WE CHARGE TO THE CURRENT YEAR.

WE DID ADD A SEASONAL PRICING MODEL FOR FUEL AND FOR OVERNIGHT PARKING.

WE ALSO ADDED HOLIDAY RATES, MUCH LIKE A LOT OF PLACES DO.

WE CHARGE A WE'LL BE CHARGING A PREMIUM THIS YEAR FOR HOLIDAY PARKING.

THAT'S PRIMARILY THANKSGIVING, CHRISTMAS NEW YEAR'S PRESIDENT'S DAY.

WE HAVE PRESENTED TO OUR BOARD, AND THEY GAVE A CONSENSUS TO APPROVE THE SUBSIDY FOR UL 94 FUEL.

THAT'S AN UNLEADED FUEL THAT THE PISTON AIRCRAFT USE RATHER THAN A LOW LEAD FUEL.

IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAME OUT A FEW YEARS AGO.

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SO OUR BOARD HAS CONTINUED THAT SUBSIDY T HANGAR LAND RENTS.

WE HAVE A MODEST INCREASE FOR INFLATION. THE FINAL DRAFT HAS ABOUT A 3.4% INCREASE.

CUSTOMS RATES CUSTOMS IS USER FEE BASED AS WELL.

WE HAVE A LITTLE OVER 9000 PASSENGERS AND CREW USE OUR CUSTOMS FACILITY EVERY YEAR.

WE WE INCREASE THAT TO INCREASE OUR INCREASE COSTS THERE AGAIN, FBO SERVICES, LIKE I SAID, WE, WE ARE ADDING SOME HOLIDAY RATES IN THERE AS FAR AS EXPENSES.

PERSONNEL IS OUR PRIMARY EXPENSE AT THE AIRPORT, ACCOUNTING FOR ALMOST HALF OF OUR.

OUR BUDGET. OPERATING EXPENSES. WE DO HAVE 151 FTES FOR THIS YEAR.

WE DO HAVE 12 NEW POSITIONS ADDED NEXT YEAR AND MOST OF THOSE ARE RELATED TO THE AIRLINE SERVICE.

AMERICAN HAS ASKED US TO PROVIDE THE GROUND HANDLING SERVICE, WHICH TYPICALLY THEY DO, OR IT'S OUTSOURCED.

THEY'VE ASKED US TO DO THAT. THAT'S PRIMARILY WHAT THESE NEW POSITIONS ARE IN THERE.

IT'S JUST A KIND OF OVERALL SALARIES AS A PERCENTAGE OF REVENUE.

YOU CAN SEE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, FUELINGS HAVE GONE UP FROM 31,000 TO 36,000.

EVERY TIME WE FUEL AN AIRCRAFT, OUR PERCENTAGE, OUR SALARIES AS A PERCENTAGE OF REVENUE WAS, YOU KNOW, IN THE MID 40S, DROPPED DOWN TO 41% THIS YEAR, PRIMARILY BECAUSE WE EXPECTED A SLIGHT DECREASE IN FUEL.

AND WE'RE UP ABOUT 8% OVER OVER LAST YEAR. SO FUELINGS HAVE RISEN OVER THE LAST YEAR.

AND THIS IS THE YOU KNOW, 94 SUBSIDY PROGRAM THAT THE BOARD DID GIVE CONSENSUS TO APPROVE.

SO WE SPENT OVER APPROVED OVER $400,000 IN THE SUBSIDY.

AND IT REDUCES THE, THE AMOUNT OF LEAD IN THE ENVIRONMENT.

FOR OPERATING EXPENSES, WE DO TAKE A ZERO BASED METHODOLOGY.

SO WE DON'T JUST TAKE LAST YEAR'S BUDGET AND HAVE A PERCENTAGE INCREASE TO IT.

ALL THE DEPARTMENTS ARE ASKED TO START FROM SCRATCH AND BUILD THEIR BUDGET FOR EACH YEAR.

SO AGAIN, THE BIG THINGS ARE PERSONNEL. WE HAVE OUR CPI AND MERIT INCREASES IN THERE FOR PROFESSIONAL FEES.

IT DOES INCLUDE INCREASED LEGAL FEES FOR THE CURRENT DISPUTE, AS WELL AS A $350,000 BUDGET LINE ITEM FOR RESILIENCY STUDY TO MAKE THE AIRPORT MORE CLIMATE RESILIENT. CONTRACT SERVICES, WE DO HAVE INCREASES FOR CUSTOMS AND FOR THE FIREFIGHTING SERVICES THE CITY PROVIDES.

OVERALL BUDGET THIS YEAR IS ESTIMATED AT ABOUT 47 MILLION IN REVENUE.

BUDGETING. ABOUT 48 MILLION NEXT YEAR. OPERATING EXPENSES UP ABOUT 4 MILLION FOR THE TOTAL OPERATING INCOME OF 5.2 MILLION BUDGETED FOR NEXT YEAR, WHICH DOES INCLUDE DEPRECIATION OF ABOUT 9 MILLION.

AND THEN OUR TOTAL CHANGE IN NET POSITION AFTER THE NONOPERATING EXPENSES WERE PRIMARILY INTEREST INCOME AS INTEREST INVESTMENT INCOME THERE.

IT'S A PRIMARY CHANGE IN NET POSITION 7.8 MILLION.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE LOOK AT OPERATING EXPENSE BY THE FUNCTION.

MUCH LIKE YOU WOULD LOOK AT YOUR DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.

WE LOOK AT THE FBO IS THE BIGGEST DEPARTMENT AT THE AIRPORT.

AGAIN, I'LL GO THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE JUST TO MAKE SURE WE RECOVER THE COST NECESSARY TO RUN EACH LINE OF SERVICE.

AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, THE NOISE PROGRAM. THERE IS NO REVENUE FROM THAT.

HOWEVER, WE SPEND ABOUT A LITTLE OVER $2 MILLION A YEAR TOWARD THAT PROGRAM.

THE CAPITAL BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR HAS $36 MILLION FOR CAPITAL, PRIMARILY FUNDED BY THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY.

AS YOU CAN SEE, ABOUT $6 MILLION COMING FROM GRANTS PRIMARILY THAT'S RELATED TO OUR AIRFIELD LIGHTING PROJECT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE UNDERGOING THAT WAS THAT WAS DAMAGED DURING HURRICANE IAN. WE DID RECEIVE ABOUT $13 MILLION FROM INSURANCE PROCEEDS FOR THAT AS WELL AS WE GOT SOME FEDERAL AND STATE GRANTS. AND OVERALL, THE BOARD WILL BE ASKED TO APPROVE THIS, THE STATE STATUTE SAYING THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH CASH AND INVESTMENTS TO FUND OPERATIONS FOR NEXT YEAR, AND WE'LL HAVE EXCESS RESERVES FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS GOING FORWARD.

WE ALSO PRESENT TO OUR BOARD A FIVE YEAR FORECAST.

SO WE LOOK OUT BOTH FROM AN OPERATING STANDPOINT AND A CAPITAL STANDPOINT TO WHAT THE FUTURE HOLDS.

SO IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, OPERATING INCOME, YOU KNOW, WE'RE AROUND THE 5.65 TO $6 MILLION A YEAR IN INCOME FROM

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AND AGAIN, THAT JUST SHOWS OUR CASH FLOW CAPITAL FORECAST.

AGAIN, AIRFIELD CAPITAL PROJECTS. THAT'S THE RUNWAYS.

TAXIWAYS. THE APRONS ACCOUNTS FOR ALMOST 6,070% OF THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE GOING ON.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER PROJECTS THERE BY THE TYPE AND $181 MILLION THE NEXT FIVE YEARS.

THIS IS THE SLIDE WE ADDED. ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEN HAD ASKED FOR A DETAIL OF THAT AIRFIELD CAPITAL.

YOU CAN SEE WE GROUPED THEM BY THE TYPE OF CAPITAL THEY ARE.

AGAIN, THE BIG ONES THIS YEAR BEING THE AIRFIELD LIGHTING PROJECT, A LITTLE OVER $21 MILLION.

APRONS YOU KNOW, REHABS THESE AGAIN, THESE NEED THE REDONE EVERY, EVERY FEW YEARS HAVE A LOT OF LAND IMPROVEMENT AND DRAINAGE PROJECTS RELATED TO THE AIRPORT, INCLUDING REMEDIATING, REMEDIATING THE CITY LANDFILL THAT WAS THAT'S THERE.

AND THEN RUNWAYS AND TAXIWAYS. AND EVERY 20, 25 YEARS YOU HAVE TO TO RESURFACE THOSE TO KEEP THEM SAFE.

SO THAT COUNTS FOR THE PROJECTS IN THE AIRFIELD CAPITAL.

WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THE BUDGET.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. AND IT, IT APPEARS THAT WE HAVE A LOT MORE INFORMATION THAN WE NORMALLY ARE PRESENTED.

I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS, BUT WE'LL START WITH KRAMER.

GOOD MORNING. THANKS FOR THAT. QUICK QUESTION. 2 MILLION BUCKS ON THE NOISE PROGRAM.

THAT SEEMS LIKE A LOT. IS THAT FOR NOISE PROOFING HOMES IN THE AREA OR.

NO, IT'S PRIMARILY THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE DEDICATED TO IT.

WE ALSO HAVE NOISE MONITORS THAT ARE BOARD APPROVED AND ALL THE ADVERTISING WE DO TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF THAT PROGRAM.

SO THERE'S A LOT, A LOT OF THINGS THAT GO INTO THAT. SO STAFF AND PROGRAMING, BUT NO INFRASTRUCTURE PER SE.

LIGHT NOISE INSULATION. NO, THAT'S NOT PART OF IT.

JUST WONDERING. THANKS. YOU'RE WELCOME ON THAT.

THE NOISE MONITOR PROGRAM, HAS THERE BEEN A PRESENTATION TO COUNCIL OR TO YOUR BOARD ON THE NOISE MONITORS.

AND WHAT DO YOU WHEN YOU ARE GATHERING THAT INFORMATION.

WHAT ARE YOU USING IT FOR? SO WE HAVE OUR BOARD APPROVED PERMANENT NOISE MONITORS.

AS YOU KNOW, WE THINK WE HAVE SPOKEN TO THE COUNCIL ABOUT THE TEMPORARY NOISE MONITORS THAT WE PUT OUT IN THE FIELD.

THEY DID APPROVE, I THINK, 11 NOISE MONITORS, PERMANENT NOISE MONITORS BEING GOING ON.

SO THAT WAS APPROVED A COUPLE MONTHS AGO. SO THOSE ARE IN PROCESS.

THEY HAVE NOT BEEN INSTALLED YET. THEY WILL GATHER DATA.

AND YEAH, AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE. I DON'T BELIEVE WE'VE DONE A SPECIFIC.

YEAH, WE, WE HAVE GIVEN INFORMATION TO OUR BOARD, BUT I'M NOT SURE ABOUT CITY COUNCIL.

OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE, A VICE MAYOR. THANKS.

THANKS FOR ALL THE DETAIL. GOOD INFORMATION. IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU HAVE GOOD FINANCIAL MANAGEMENT AND THE AIRPORTS IN IN GOOD CONDITION.

AND YOU CAN FUND ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT YOU GUYS NEED.

I JUST HAD A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS ON THE FIVE YEAR CAPEX.

AND I DO APPRECIATE YOU SENDING THE SCHEDULE.

IT'S VERY HELPFUL. SO THE, THE GROUPING FOR REHABBING THE TAXIWAYS AND RUNWAYS, IS THAT INTENDED JUST TO KIND OF KEEP IT WHERE IT IS? OR IS IT INTENDED TO ALLOW FOR BIGGER, HEAVIER PLANES OR JETS? NO, THAT'S THE JUST REHABILITATION TO KEEP THEM SO THEY'RE SAFE AGAIN, EVERY SO MANY YEARS.

YOU HAVE TO DO THAT. OKAY. YEAH. IT'S NICE. IT LOOKS LIKE THE FAA WILL HELP PAY FOR MOST OF IT.

THEY WILL. THAT'S GREAT. AND THEN THE NORTH QUAD.

REMEDIATION AND IMPROVEMENTS. THAT LAND IS NOT.

IS THAT CURRENTLY BEING USED FOR ANYTHING? IT'S LIKE IS THAT WHERE THE CITY HAS THE SOLID WASTE FUNCTION NEAR THERE.

YES. NEAR THERE. THERE'S A AT THE END OF ONE OF THE RUNWAYS, THERE WAS AN OLD LANDFILL FROM THE, I THINK THE 40S AND 50S. YEAH. SO THE EXPECTATION IS YOU HAVE TO PULL OUT OR CARRY OFF THE BAD SOIL AND REPLACE IT WITH SOLID

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CORRECT. OKAY. NO, NO FIRM PLANS AT THIS POINT.

NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. OKAY. IN THE SOUTH QUAD IMPROVEMENTS THAT WAS ALREADY PLANNED, RIGHT.

THAT'S REPLACING SOME HANGARS AND ADDING MORE HANGARS, I THINK IF I REMEMBER RIGHT.

THAT IS. YEAH, IT COULD BE FOR FUTURE HANGARS.

AGAIN, WE I THINK PART OF IT IS TO MAKE THE RAMP A LITTLE BIT WIDER SO THE AIRCRAFT CAN GET INTO IT RIGHT NOW THE, THE, THE TAXIWAY TO GET IN IS TOO NARROW FOR.

OKAY. I KNOW YOU ALL HAVE TOLD US BEFORE ABOUT THE NEED FOR HANGARS, AND PEOPLE DON'T LIKE PARKING THEIR PLANES OUT IN THE ELEMENTS.

SO I'M JUST TRYING TO REMEMBER IN MY IN MY MIND, STRAIGHT AROUND WHICH IS WHICH.

CORRECT. RIGHT. YEAH. WE DID HAVE A HANGAR PROJECT ON THERE THAT WAS PARTLY FUNDED BY THE STATE.

HOWEVER, THE STATE IS NOT FUNDING THOSE ANY LONGER. IT'S REALLY NOT FEASIBLE TO BUILD NEW HANGARS OR FOR THE SMALL AIRCRAFT.

THEY'RE VERY EXPENSIVE TO BUILD. OKAY. SO THESE WOULD BE MORE HANGARS FOR THE BIGGER JETS AND THE PRIVATE JETS.

AND AND THEY, OF COURSE WILL PAY RENT FOR THEM, I'M SURE, TO COVER THE COST.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THAT TO WHEN I WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE BUDGET IT THE COMMERCIAL AIRLINE REVENUE OF OVER A MILLION EVERY YEAR STARTING IN 2027.

IS THAT FOR YOUR PREDICTION FOR AMERICAN AIRLINES? YES. AND SO TO, TO THE VICE MAYOR'S POINT FOR YOU'RE MAKING THAT AREA WIDER FOR AIRCRAFT.

IS THAT ALSO THE AREA FOR AMERICAN? YES. NO, NO, THAT'S A TOTALLY YEAH.

I DIDN'T HEAR THE BEGINNING PART OF HIS QUESTION, ACTUALLY, BUT THAT'S AT THE NORTH ROAD TERMINAL, NORTH ROAD TERMINAL. AND IT'S THE SAME SIZE AIRCRAFT THAT COME IN THERE NOW TO USE IT.

IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT CONFIGURATION. THE AIRCRAFT THAT THEY'D BE USING AMERICAN WILL BE USING THE SAME TYPE AIRCRAFT THAT'S BEING USED NOW.

THAT'S NOT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CURRENTLY HAVE AIRCRAFT THAT SIZE THAT COME IN.

SO. OKAY. SO HELP ME WITH THE LANGUAGE. SO AMERICAN AIRLINES IS A COMMERCIAL. CORRECT. IS THAT THE ONLY COMMERCIAL YOU HAVE? YES. OR WOULD HAVE. CORRECT. THE REST ARE F O'S.

THE REST ARE GENERAL AVIATION TYPE AIRCRAFT, WHICH LIKE THE PRIVATE JETS OR PRIVATE AIRCRAFT.

OKAY. SO I SEE ON THE FORECAST YOU HAVE THE 1.9 MILLION IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR 2027. FOR NORTH ROAD TERMINAL. YES. YES. THAT'S THE CURRENT CURRENT PROJECT THAT'S UNDER BEING DONE RIGHT NOW.

SO IT'S 26, 2720. IT'LL ROLL OVER TO 27. CORRECT.

OKAY. AND SO IT'LL YOU'RE PUTTING 1.9 MILLION INTO NORTH ROAD FOR AMERICAN.

NO, IT'S IT'S ACTUALLY MORE THAN THAT. IT'S 4 TO 5 MILLION.

IT'S TO. PARDON ME. IT'S LIKE 4 TO 5 MILLION, BUT IT'S TO REDO THE WHOLE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.

SO WE RENOVATED THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING LAST YEAR.

AGAIN, ACCORDING TO THE BECAUSE OF THE FEMA 50% RULE, YOU CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH AT A TIME.

SO YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING WAS BUILT IN THE 80S, SO WE TOOK AWAY ALL THE 80S.

LOOK. AND IT'S A NICE, NICE NAPLES MODERN LOOK THAT THAT PEOPLE WILL SEE AGAIN.

THE RENTAL CARS THAT THE PUBLIC USES IS THERE AS WELL.

SO THAT'S GOING TO BE A NICE UPGRADE. THE RENTAL CAR INCOME.

YOU MENTIONED IT, BUT I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT YOU SAID.

THEY THERE'S A CFC CUSTOMER SERVICE FEE THAT THEY PAY EVERY TIME SOMEBODY RENTS A CAR THAT'S USED SPECIFICALLY FOR RENTAL CAR OPERATIONS, THAT'S A RESTRICTED CASH THAT WE HAVE. IT'S ABOUT $3.5 MILLION, AND THAT'S STILL IN THAT SAME TERMINAL AREA.

YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME TAG ON TO THAT COUNCIL MEMBER, SCHULTZ. THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND ALL THE CONTINUING ACCOMPANYING DOCUMENTATION.

AS VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP HAS THANKED YOU FOR IS IT ACCURATE THAT ANY COMMERCIAL AIRLINES THAT WANTS TO COME INTO NAPLES,

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THAT WAS MY LOADED QUESTION, MR. ROSANSKY. GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING. COUNCIL. GOOD QUESTION. SO WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO NEGOTIATE IN GOOD FAITH WITH ANY AIR CARRIER, PRESUMING THE AIRCRAFT THEY INTEND TO OPERATE CAN SAFELY USE THE AIRPORT.

SO IN AMERICAN'S CASE, THEY'RE USING REGIONAL JETS LIKE THE AIRPORT HAS HAD TEN PLUS YEARS IN THE PAST TO GO YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY 6570 SEAT AIRCRAFT. SO AN AIRLINE APPROACHES US AND THEY HAVE THESE REGIONAL JETS THAT OUR AIRPORT CAN ACCOMMODATE.

THEN WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO NEGOTIATE WITH THEM IN GOOD FAITH.

THANK YOU. AS OF NOW, THERE'S AN EXPENDITURE SOMEWHERE AROUND $5 MILLION WITH THE AMERICAN AND THE IMPROVEMENTS YOU'VE MADE, IF ANY, IF DELTA OR UNITED OR ANYBODY WANT TO DO THIS WITH SIMILAR CAPITAL OUTLAYS, BE REQUIRED TO GET THE AIRPORT MORE UP TO SPEED THAN WHAT IT'S ACCOMMODATING NOW. YOU KNOW, SO WE DON'T HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO MAKE THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT.

WE HAD A FACILITY. WE WERE ALREADY PLANNING THIS INTERIOR RENOVATION.

THE CONTRACT HAD BEEN AUTHORIZED, AND THEN AMERICAN APPROACHED US EARLIER.

TOWARDS THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR, THERE WAS AN AMENDMENT TO THE AGREEMENT MADE NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE TSA SECURITY SCREENING, MAKE A FEW OTHER INTERIOR CHANGES. BUT AS IT IS NOW, BECAUSE OF THE OTHER USES IN THE FACILITY, WE CAN ONLY ACCOMMODATE ONE GATE AREA. SO THERE WILL ONLY BE ONE GATE AREA FOR AN AIRLINE TO OPERATE.

SO ANOTHER AIRLINE APPROACHES US. THEY'LL THEY'LL BE LIMITED BY THAT ONE GATE AREA.

SO THEY WOULD BE SORT OF SECOND FIDDLE OR WHATEVER.

YEAH. I MEAN SOMEBODY COMES IN, THEY'VE ALREADY PRESUMING THEY'VE ALREADY SIGNED AN AGREEMENT, THEN, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE SPACE FOR A COUPLE OF FLIGHTS A DAY.

BUT YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW ALL AMERICAN IS OFFERING FOR SALE OR TWO FLIGHTS A DAY.

SO THERE'LL BE ONE GATE, TWO FLIGHTS A DAY. THEY SAY THE SALES HAVE BEEN GOOD SO FAR.

SO BUT WE, WE, WE'VE HEARD FROM OTHER AIRLINES, OTHER MAJOR CARRIERS WHOSE AIRCRAFT NOW I SAY THIS, I'VE HEARD FROM THEM FOR YEARS WHO WOULD LOVE TO COME IN HERE? IT'S NOT JUST BEEN THIS YEAR. I'VE HEARD FROM THEM FOR YEARS, ON AND OFF FOR YEARS.

HOWEVER, THEY WOULD WANT TO BRING AIRCRAFT THAT ARE MORE LIKE 737 AND AIRBUS A320 AND SIZE AIRCRAFT, WHICH FRANKLY, WE JUST WE CANNOT ACCOMMODATE ON A REGULAR BASIS.

SURE. AND I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT I WAS AT THE AIRPORT FOR THE RIBBON CUTTING ON THE THE JET FUEL AND THEN THE THE SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF.

IT'S A REMARKABLE JOB YOU'RE DOING OUT THERE, AND I THINK IT'S REALLY FANTASTIC. IS IT ACCURATE THAT THE AIRPORT IS THE THIRD LOWEST PRICE FOR FUEL IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA FOR JETS? NO, NO. NOT EVEN. I'D SAY WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE TO UPPER HALF.

THE, THE AVIATION FUEL MARKET IS NOT VERY TRANSPARENT.

SO IT'S IMPROVING. WE'RE VERY TRANSPARENT. WE PUBLISH ALL OUR RATES AND CHARGES.

HOWEVER, AN FBO OPERATED BY A PRIVATE ENTITY, THEY MIGHT HAVE A PUBLISHED PRICE.

IT'S VERY RARELY WHAT THE CUSTOMER ACTUALLY PAYS BECAUSE THE CUSTOMER EVERYTHING'S A NEGOTIATION.

A LOT OF TIMES WITH PRIVATE PRIVATE ENTITIES AND FUELING, THEY SAY, OH, WELL, THEY'LL CALL AND SAY, WE'RE GOING TO BE HERE FOR A WEEK. SO WE'LL PARK ON THE RAMP OR MAYBE USE HANGAR.

WE NEED TO USE YOUR OFFICE OR CONFERENCE ROOM FACILITIES.

SO CAN YOU CUT US A BETTER BREAK ON FUEL? IN A LOT OF TIMES THEY WILL.

AND THEY MIGHT WAIVE SOME OTHER HANDLING CHARGES.

WE PUBLISH EVERYTHING AND WE MAINTAIN THOSE RATES AND CHARGES.

SO YOU MIGHT HAVE ALSO HEARD MR. WARNER SAY WE HAVE A SEASONAL PRICE.

SO STARTING HERE IN THE NEXT SIX WEEKS, WE'LL GO TO OUR SEASONAL PRICING MODEL, WHICH IS IS HIGHER THAN THE OFF SEASON PRICING.

SO WE HAVE A TIERED PRICING MODEL, AND IT'S ALL DRIVEN BY THE BUSIEST TIME OF YEAR WHEN IT NECESSITATES THE MOST INFRASTRUCTURE AND STAFFING.

YOU MIGHT WANT TO ADDRESS THE THE WORD AROUND TOWN IS THAT THE LOW END OF THE FUEL COST IS NOT ACCURATE.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE USEFUL TO GET THE DATA ABOUT WHERE YOU REALLY STAND.

AND ANOTHER THING WITH REVENUES, IS THERE A REASON YOU DON'T CHARGE LANDING OR TAKEOFF FEES.

IS THERE A SPECIFIC STRATEGY FOR THAT? SO WE DO.

BUT IT IS INDIRECT THROUGH THE FUEL PRICE. SO ACTUALLY AMERICAN WILL PAY A LANDING FEE BECAUSE THEY WON'T PAY FOR IT IN TERMS OF FUEL.

THE MORE TRADITIONAL MODEL ON THE GA SIDE IS TO INCORPORATE AN EQUIVALENT OF A LANDING FEE INTO YOUR FUEL PRICE.

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AND EMBEDDED IN THERE IS THE EQUIVALENT OF A LANDING FEE.

SO THERE ARE FEES BEING CHARGED FOR PLANES TO USE THE FACILITY NO MATTER WHAT.

YEP. AND BY THE WAY I'LL ADD THAT JET AYE IS EIGHT PLUS DOLLARS A GALLON RIGHT NOW.

AND OUR SUMMER FUEL SALES ARE UP 20%. THE PEOPLE JUST THIS MARKET IS NOT DETERRED BY THE FLUCTUATING COST OF FUEL. DO YOU THINK IT WOULD BE DETERRED BY RAISING FUEL RATES AND LANDING AND TAKEOFF FEES AS APPROPRIATE? NO, BECAUSE EVEN DURING. THERE IS A A SHORT TERM SUPPLY ISSUE DURING COVID AND PRICES SPIKED TO 10 TO $12 A GALLON IN THE NORTHEAST. THEY WERE $1,314 A GALLON.

AND WE SAW RECORD LEVEL TRAFFIC. THANK YOU. I THINK YOU'RE DOING A GOOD JOB OVER THERE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER.

BARTON. GUYS, THANKS FOR BEING HERE TODAY. THE QUESTION IN REFERENCE TO THE AMERICAN AIRLINES THING, I REALIZED THAT PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I SAY ANYTHING.

IT'S NOT ACCURATE. I REALIZE THAT THE NEGOTIATIONS ARE STILL ONGOING. IS IT A FOREGONE CONCLUSION THAT THIS IS HAPPENING? AND IF SO, ARE WE? SHOULD WE EXPECT THAT TO START IN DECEMBER AS AS HAS BEEN DESIRED BY THE AIRLINE? I BELIEVE IT'S LIKELY. WE ARE STILL NEGOTIATING THE FINER POINTS OF THE USE AGREEMENT ON PRICING PRIMARILY START UP COSTS ARE RELATIVELY HIGH, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ONLY HAVE A COUPLE FLIGHTS A DAY.

SO I THINK YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE SELLING TICKETS AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING AT THIS POINT AS TO WHY THOSE FLIGHTS WON'T COMMENCE. I THINK IT'S IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN A WHILE FOR US HERE IN NAPLES, BUT IT'S PRETTY TYPICAL IF WE AS WE'VE TALKED TO SOME OF OUR PEERS.

ESPECIALLY WHERE THE SMALLER FACILITIES WHERE THEY'VE HAD START UP OPERATIONS THAT THE AIRLINE WILL OFFER FLIGHTS EVEN WELL BEFORE THINGS ARE FINALIZED WITH THE AIRPORT. THE AIRLINES, FRANKLY, THEY KNOW THE FEDERAL LAW AND THEY KNOW THAT FRANK, FRANKLY, THEY SIT IN A STRONG POSITION WITH REGARDS TO A LOT OF FEDERAL LAW IS SET AROUND ACTS FAIR AND EQUITABLE ACCESS FOR AIR CARRIERS, FEDERAL AVIATION LAW, I SHOULD SAY. SO THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE IN A STRONG POSITION WITH BEING ABLE TO ACCESS THE AIRPORT.

IT'S MORE OF A MATTER OF WORKING OUT THE COST AND THE PRICING STRUCTURE AND THE SPACE AND THE TERMINAL FACILITY, WHICH IS VERY CRAMPED. OKAY, GOOD. YES. I NEED TO KNOW.

AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, WE GET A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT IT, AND IT'S ALSO GOOD TO HEAR. SO THEY'RE NOT JUST HEARING FROM US, BUT HEAR IT FROM YOU GUYS FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHAT COUNCILMAN SCHULTZ HAD JUST SUGGESTED.

AND THAT IS, IF OUR FACILITIES CAN ACCOMMODATE THEM, THEN YOU ARE IN A POSITION WHERE YOU HAVE TO NEGOTIATE IN GOOD FAITH.

AND FRANKLY, WE SITTING ON THIS DAIS, EVEN THOUGH WE OWN THE LAND, ARE BYSTANDERS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE ALONG FOR THE RIDE. YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE NOT NEGOTIATING WITH YOU WITH UNITED OR WITH AMERICAN.

SO AGAIN, IT'S GOOD TO, TO HAVE THAT OUT AND PUBLICLY SAY IT AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE BECAUSE THE PUBLIC IS OFTEN CONFUSED ABOUT THIS PROCESS.

YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND IT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A FAMILIAR SIMILAR SERVICE TO WHAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.

SO I KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SO MANY TIMES OUT IN THE PUBLIC, WE HEAR FROM THOSE WHO ARE EXCITED ABOUT IT.

THEY MISSED IT WHEN WE USED TO HAVE THE SERVICE.

NOW THE ECONOMICS HAVE CHANGED. AND OF COURSE WE'LL.

THAT WILL BE THE ULTIMATE LITMUS TEST. CAN THE ARE THE ECONOMICS.

WILL THEY MAKE THIS VIABLE IN THE LONG RUN? I'M.

I'M NOT CERTAIN OF THAT YET, BUT BUT WE'LL SEE BECAUSE THE COST PER PASSENGER IS HIGHER.

IT'S MORE THAN DOUBLE WHAT YOU'LL FIND UP AT RS.

W, FRANKLY. BUT OBVIOUSLY, I THINK WE ALL KNOW YOU HAVE A DEMOGRAPHIC HERE, FOLKS THAT ARE WILLING TO PAY FOR THAT CONVENIENCE.

I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION. I'M GOING TO TAG ON TO COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON.

WE'RE NOT ALONG FOR THE RIDE. WE ACTUALLY ARE PARTNERS IN MAKING SURE WITHIN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT YOU ARE WITHIN THE CITIES, YOU'RE WORKING WITH THE CITY AND THE COMMUNITY.

I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT WORDS. MAYBE MR. DICKMAN CAN SAY THAT'S WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE THAT YOUR GROWTH DOES AFFECT US AND THAT THAT BEING GOOD PARTNERS TO THE COMMUNITY IS PART OF THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO YOU HAVE A $36 MILLION BUDGET, AND IT REALLY INDICATES MORE GROWTH.

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SO WHEN YOU EXPAND YOUR FOOTPRINT TO ACCOMMODATE THE GROWTH, ARE YOU FOLLOWING THE I THINK IT'S 40% OF LAND COVERAGE. NO, NO, IT'S LESS LAND COVERAGE. DEVELOPABLE IS LESS THAN 10% AT THE AIRPORT BECAUSE RUNWAYS OR APRONS WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE PARKING DO NOT ARE NOT INCLUDED WITHIN THAT LAND COVERAGE.

I DON'T RECALL PRECISELY. I KNOW SOME FEW YEARS AGO WE CALCULATED THAT WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THE DEVELOPABLE DEVELOPED AREA OF THE AIRPORT WAS SOMETHING LIKE 4%.

IS DEVELOPED. CORRECT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

YOU WANT TO TAG ON TO THAT? I UNDERSTAND THAT THE I MEAN, KRAMER, I WISH KRAMER THE ICE MAN. I'M SORRY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT. WHAT THAT CONVERSATION Y'ALL JUST HAD.

I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE WEEDS AT ALL. I'M JUST WONDERING.

IT'S ONLY 4% DEVELOPED. IT COULD GROW 90 BUILDING AREA.

THINK ABOUT IT. IT'S A SQUARE MILE. SO IF YOU LOOK AT BUILDING FOOTPRINTS, RIGHT.

SO I'M SAYING YOU'RE SAYING SMALL COMPONENT, RIGHT? YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S 4% LEFT.

NO, NO, NO, 4% OF THE PROPERTY IS BUILDABLE. THERE'S A THERE'S A PARAMETER IN THE CITY'S COMP PLAN ABOUT MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE OF THE AIRPORT. I DON'T THINK LOT COVERAGE IS A GREAT DESCRIPTION FOR AN AIRPORT.

WE DON'T HAVE LOTS. BUT IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT IT IN THAT WAY, THE WAY THE CITY CALCULATES IT, IT WORKED OUT TO BE, WHICH IS BUILDING DIMENSIONS BASICALLY WORKS OUT TO BE ABOUT 4%.

SO EXISTING STRUCTURES RIGHT NOW COVER 4% OF THE TOTAL AREA, TOTAL LAND AREA, WHICH THINK ABOUT AN AIRPORT.

YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN A LOT OF CLEAR AND OPEN SPACES, RIGHT? I GUESS SO I GUESS, I GUESS I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT'S EVEN RELEVANT, WHAT THAT HAS TO DO WITH ANYTHING.

I WAS JUST RESPONDING TO MAYOR'S QUESTION. OKAY.

HOW IT SEEMS TO ME YOU'RE ABOUT. THERE'S NOT MUCH ROOM FOR EXPANSION.

MAYOR TALKED ABOUT EXPANSION. I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T. I DON'T SEE ANY EXPANSION HERE, BUT HOW MUCH ROOM IS THERE FOR EXPANSION? NOT A LOT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A DEFINED FOOTPRINT.

WE'RE BOXED IN ON ALL FOUR SIDES BY ROADWAYS AND THE GORDON RIVER.

SO THERE'S NOT A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF THERE'S THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL LAND FOR EXPANSION.

OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. AND THEN I JUST WANT TO TACK ON A LITTLE SOMETHING YOU SAID REGARDING YOUR DEMOGRAPHIC AND ONLY BECAUSE TO GIVE A LITTLE MORE CONTEXT, AND I DIG INTO THIS STUFF BECAUSE I'M ON THE TOURISM DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL, I SERVE FOR THIS BODY ON THAT.

AND YOU KNOW, IN JULY AND WE GO BACK MANY CYCLES NOW, BUT BIGGEST JULY TRAVEL DAY, COMMERCIALLY, COMMERCIAL AIR AND AUTO TRAFFIC. AND SO WE HEAR ALL THIS GLOOM AND DOOM ABOUT THE ECONOMY, AND EVERYTHING'S TOO EXPENSIVE. AND AND THEN AGAIN, AND IT JUST KEEPS GOING UP.

LABOR DAY METRICS. IT WAS THE BIGGEST TRAVEL DAY EVER AGAIN.

AND SO YEAH, WE'RE LUXURY MARKET, BUT ON THE COMMERCIAL, ON THE REGULAR RANK AND FILE FOLKS, THEY'RE, THEY DON'T CARE EITHER. THEY'RE ALL JUMPING IN THEIR CARS AND THEY'RE PAYING WHATEVER, AND THEY'RE ALL GETTING ON AIRPLANES AND FLYING WHEREVER. AND, YOU KNOW, WE INCREASED IT HERE 8.8% YEAR ON YEAR IN THE LAST QUARTER.

I MEAN I DON'T KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE WOULD HAVE TO GET TO IMPACT THAT OR HOW BAD THE ECONOMY WOULD HAVE TO BE. BUT SO FAR IT HASN'T AT ALL.

THAT'S ALL. I WOULD AGREE. COUNCILMAN. AND IT'S A, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT OVERSIMPLIFICATION, BUT AS THE TREND LINE IN THE STOCK MARKET AND THE BROADER ECONOMY GOES, SO DOES ACTIVITY, NOT JUST AT THE AIRPORT BUT HERE IN NAPLES, I MEAN, WE SEE IT, YOU KNOW, WE MEET FOLKS EVERY DAY STEPPING OFF AIRCRAFT WHO ARE GOING TO SOME OF THE NEW RECENTLY OPENED LUXURY DEVELOPMENTS HERE IN TOWN.

THEY'RE BUYING HOMES HERE. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE COMING.

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I HADN'T SEEN THAT ANOTHER CONSTRUCTION SITE, LUXURY HOUSING.

SO THAT'S WHY I WAS LATE AND I APOLOGIZE. YEAH.

SO I THINK THOSE TRENDS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE.

THE AIRPORT DOES HAVE A NATURAL CAPACITY THAT WE ARE APPROACHING OPERATIONALLY IN.

DURING THE SIX MONTHS OF SEASON, WE ARE WITHIN 15, 20% OF THAT NATURAL CAPACITY.

AND WE ARE STARTING TO SEE SOME OF THAT. SOME OF THE FOLKS NOT WILLING TO WAIT IN THOSE 2 TO 4 HOUR DELAYS THAT YOU SEE AND LONGER ON THE HOLIDAY WEEKENDS THEY ARE STARTING TO GO TO OTHER OTHER AIRPORTS IN THE AREA.

NOT A LOT, BUT WE ARE STARTING TO SEE THAT. AND DURING THE HOLIDAY WEEKENDS, WE DID NEARLY HAVE TO CLOSE.

WE NEARLY RAN OUT OF PARKING. SO WE ARE APPROACHING THAT POINT AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE IMPLEMENTING A PEAK HOLIDAY WEEKEND PRICING MODEL.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU HAVE WHEN YOU ARE THAT CONSTRAINED, THEN IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF ECONOMICS.

AND IT'S CERTAINLY IT'S NOISE AND CERTAINLY IT'S SAFETY.

AND THOSE ARE OUR SAFETY IS ALWAYS OUR OUR TOP CONCERN.

THANK YOU. KRAMER. BARTON, WERE YOU COMPLETE? THANK YOU CARL. YEAH. HI. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN THIS MORNING.

IT'S VERY INFORMATIVE. WITH AMERICA, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED PARKING FEES NOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A COMMERCIAL AIRLINE AUTOMOBILE PARKING? YEAH. THAT IS PART OF THE REVENUE PROJECTION. THAT'S GOING TO BE OKAY. YEAH. AND WHY DO YOU PUT LANDING FEES IN THE FUEL COST? IS THERE ANY REASON FOR THAT? I'M JUST CURIOUS.

I MEAN, IT'S I MEAN, IT'S EFFICIENT. WE RECEIVE WE RECEIVE PAYMENT AT THE TIME OF SERVICE.

TYPICALLY SERVICES THAT PROVIDE LANDING FEES IT'S A MONTH OR MORE IN ARREARS.

SO FROM A FINANCIAL YOU KNOW ASPECT WE GET WE GET PAID QUICKER SOONER.

OKAY. AND YOU SAID IT'S KIND OF VARIABLE. YOU KNOW, IT COULD COST MORE FOR SOME THINGS.

IS THERE VARIABLE COST COMPONENT TO THAT. IS IT KIND OF A FIXED CHARGE.

I MEAN SO IT'S PROPORTIONATE. SO NATURALLY LARGER AIRCRAFT TAKE MORE FUEL.

THEY PAY A HIGHER FEE. OKAY. BUT IT'S PRETTY MUCH THE SAME RATE.

YEAH. IS THE VOLUNTARY CURFEW WORKING IN YOUR OPINION, OR HAS THIS BEEN YOU'VE MADE A GOOD EFFORT WITH LETTERS AND ALL THAT. YEAH, I THINK IT'S TREMENDOUSLY SUCCESSFUL.

AIRPORTS AROUND THE COUNTRY CALL US AND ASK US HOW IT'S SO SUCCESSFUL.

YOU KNOW, THE LARGEST OPERATOR AT THE AIRPORT.

NETJETS CHOSE THREE THREE PLUS YEARS AGO TO STOP FLYING DURING THE CURFEW.

HERE, AS AN OWNER NETJETS OWNER, YOU REQUEST TO FLY DURING THE CURFEW.

THEY SAY, NO, WE DON'T DO THAT AND THEY'VE HONORED IT.

AND I GIVE THEM TREMENDOUS CREDIT. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY CAUGHT ON WITH SOME OTHER OPERATORS.

MORE RECENTLY, FLEXJET HAS MADE US. THEY WENT FROM BEING ON OUR TOP TEN LIST MONTHLY TO NOT APPEARING ON THE LIST RECENTLY. SO THOSE ARE POSITIVE STEPS. AND YEAH, IT'S, IT'S IN MY OPINION, TREMENDOUSLY SUCCESSFUL.

JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE PIE CHART IN PARTICULAR HANGAR AND TIE DOWN REVENUE.

I JUST THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A LITTLE HIGHER THAN IT IS, BUT WHAT IS A, WHAT IS THE COST TO RENT A HANGAR? I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S DIFFERENT SIZES 51FT AND 48, WHATEVER, BUT WHAT WHAT IS.

CAN YOU GIVE US AN IDEA OF THE AVERAGE PERSON PAYING FOR A HANGER THERE AND THE RENTAL RATE PER SQUARE FOOT, THE LOW END FOR THE SMALLEST HANGER ABOUT 700 A MONTH, 5 TO 605 SIX? NO, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE HIGHER THAN THAT. LOW END MAYBE 6 OR 700 ON THE HIGH END, YOU'RE PAYING 12 1300 A MONTH. THESE ARE FOR INDIVIDUAL HANGERS TO RENT FROM US ON A, ON A MONTHLY BASIS.

YEAH. BUT YOU HEAR RANGES LIKE ON THE OTHER COAST IN SOUTHWEST FLORIDA, YOU KNOW, 1500 TO 2200, YOU KNOW, DO YOU THINK YOUR OUR RATES ARE LOW GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THIS WE HAVE PRETTY GOOD DEMAND HERE.

NO, OUR RATES ARE THE MOST COMPETITIVE ON THE GULF COAST OF FLORIDA.

AND I ANY OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS WOULD TELL YOU THAT BECAUSE THEY'VE.

AS WE'VE PROPOSED THESE INCREASES, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT IT AT OUR BOARD MEETINGS.

SO JUST TO GIVE US AN IDEA LIKE FOR LIKE THE AMERICAN TERMINAL, WHAT IS THE RENT PER SQUARE FOOT ON THAT TYPE OF BUILDING? YOU KNOW, JUST IT'S THAT TWO IS PRETTY ROUGHLY 60, ABOUT $60 A FOOT.

YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S INTERESTING. AND I WAS ALSO NOTING IN THIS PIE CHART, IT SAYS BUILDING AND LAND.

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WHAT DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE PERCENTAGE OF THAT IS? I THINK IT'S LIKE 6%.

6%. OKAY. OKAY. RIGHT. AS FAR AS YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, THAT COST TOO MUCH TO BUILD THESE HANGARS FOR SMALL AIRCRAFT.

BUT WE'RE KIND OF A COMMUNITY AIRPORT TOO, RIGHT? DON'T WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE ON A WAITING LIST WITH SMALL AIRCRAFT? I MEAN, IS THAT IT'S DECLINING? YEAH. SO THE WAITLIST PEAKED DURING COVID AT ROUGHLY 140 NAMES.

IT'S DOWN NOW TO JUST UNDER 50 NAMES. SO THOSE, THOSE PIPERS AND CESSNAS AND ALL THE SMALLER AIRCRAFT, ARE WE KIND OF LIKE WEANING THEM OUT OR. NO, NO, WE STILL HAVE 2 TO 3, I WOULD SAY CLOSER TO 300 PARKING SPACES FOR THOSE SIZE AIRCRAFT. BUT IN TERMS OF NEW CONSTRUCTION, I'M SURE YOU CAN APPRECIATE THE COST OF NEW CONSTRUCTION.

THEY ARE JUST METAL BUILDINGS, BUT THERE'S A, A LOT OF THEY REQUIRE A LOT OF REAL ESTATE AND A LOT OF PAVEMENT AND STORM WATER.

AND SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN THAT MODEL IS THAT THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS UNLIKELY TO FUND THOSE SMALL AIRCRAFT HANGARS BECAUSE OF REDUCTIONS IN THEIR FUNDING PROGRAM. SO THEY'RE PRIORITIZING MORE RUNWAY TAXIWAY PROJECTS.

SO WE LOOKED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND WHAT, WHAT IT COSTS NOW TO BUILD THOSE LIGHT AIRCRAFT, THE SMALLEST OF THE LIGHT AIRCRAFT HANGARS. THE THE ECONOMICS JUST DON'T MAKE SENSE ANYMORE.

IT TAKES 40 PLUS YEARS TO BREAK EVEN. SO LIKE BUILDING A A HANGAR THAT HAS CAN ACCOMMODATE MULTI AIRCRAFT, YOU KNOW, LIKE MAYBE 2 OR 3. THOSE TYPE OF BUILDINGS.

ARE THEY PROFITABLE AND WHAT WOULD THEY GO FOR? YEAH. THOSE THOSE ARE VERY MARKETABLE IF YOU CAN GET IT BUILT RIGHT.

OKAY GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ.

YEAH. SORRY FOR NOT THINKING OF THESE EARLIER.

WHEN YOU'VE JUST MENTIONED YOUR NEAR CAPACITY.

WHAT WOULD CAPACITY BE. IT'S ROUGHLY 155,000 TAKEOFFS AND LANDINGS A YEAR.

EXCUSE ME. I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. COULD YOU REPEAT? ROUGHLY 155,000 TAKEOFFS AND LANDINGS PER YEAR.

AND IT DEPENDS. VARIES BY THE FLEET. MIX A BIT.

HOW DO I GET THIS OFF, ANYWAY? MY BAD. ROUGHLY 155,000 PER YEAR.

AND DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE ABOUT WHAT POINT YOU'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY GET TO THAT? IT COULD BE FIVE YEARS. IT COULD BE TEN YEARS.

IF THE ECONOMY TANKS, IT COULD BE DECADES. WHEN YOU WERE HIRED, WHAT WAS YOUR CHARGE WHEN YOU TOOK THE JOB? YEARS AGO. WHAT WAS YOUR EGIS. WHAT DID THEY SAY? YOU GOT TO GO THERE AND DO AT THIS AIRPORT. WHAT WAS THE PITCH TO YOU TO STAY HERE AND MAKE IT GROW? WELL, NAPLES HAS A GREAT REPUTATION IN OUR INDUSTRY, AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S A WONDERFUL PLACE TO LIVE.

SO IT DOESN'T TAKE TOO MUCH CONVINCING TO COME DOWN TO IN NAPLES.

AND THAT'S STILL TRUE TODAY. BUT I THINK TEN YEARS AGO IT WAS MORE OF A DEBATE ABOUT WHAT ARE WE WHAT'S THE AIRPORT GOING TO BE WHEN WE GROW UP? ARE WE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE ONE OF THE PREMIER GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORTS IN THE COUNTRY, OR DO WE DESIRE AIRLINE SERVICE? THERE WAS REALLY THIS DEBATE, AND THAT WAS AT A TIME WHERE, FOLLOWING THE GREAT RECESSION, YOU KNOW, ALL THE MAJOR AIRLINES HAD PULLED OUT.

SO I HONESTLY DID NOT THINK THAT MAJOR LEGACY AIRLINE SERVICE WOULD COME BACK TO THIS AIRPORT BECAUSE THE COST OF FUEL IS VERY HIGH. AIRLINES ARE PHASING OUT THE OLDER, SMALLER AIRCRAFT IN IN FAVOR OF LARGER AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE MORE SEATING CAPACITY.

YOU SEE AT CES, W THEY THEIR TAKEOFFS AND LANDINGS ARE PRETTY STATIC PER YEAR OVER YEAR, BUT THE NUMBER OF PASSENGERS CONTINUES TO GROW. IT'S BECAUSE THE AIRLINES ARE BUYING AIRCRAFT TO HAVE MORE SEATS.

THAT'S WHY THEY'RE FOCUSED ON TERMINAL PROJECTS AND NOT RUNWAY PROJECTS.

THEY AT SOME POINT HAVE A PLAN FOR A SECOND RUNWAY, BUT IT LIKELY ISN'T FOR ANOTHER 20 YEARS THAT THEY ACTUALLY NEED IT.

SO THERE HAVE BEEN, I WOULD SAY DURING COVID, SOMETHING THAT CHANGED, OBVIOUSLY, WITH ALL THE TREMENDOUS WEALTH CREATION IN THIS COUNTRY, IN MANY MARKETS THAT ARE LIKE NAPLES.

THERE'S BEEN A LOSS OF AIRLINE SERVICE AROUND THE COUNTRY IN SMALLER COMMUNITIES.

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SO I THINK THAT'S WHY, ESPECIALLY IN FLORIDA, YOU'RE SEEING SMALLER AIRPORTS GET MORE AND MORE AIRLINE SERVICE.

SO WHEN YOU HIRED IN, YOU WEREN'T TOLD TO GROW IT TO A POINT AND STOP GROWING.

YOU WEREN'T TOLD YOU'RE AN IMPINGEMENT ON THE COMMUNITY, SO JUST BE THERE.

MAKE IT MORE OF A HOBBY TYPE OF SITUATION FOR AN AIRPORT.

YOUR JOB WAS TO GET THE AIRPORT AND GROW IT IN CAPACITY TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS.

IS THAT ACCURATE? NO. OKAY. WELL, PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME.

OKAY, SO WE DON'T HAVE A GROWTH GOAL OR MINDSET.

I MEAN, OUR MISSION IS TO OPERATE A SAFE AIRPORT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY.

NOW, IF THE COMMUNITY IS GROWING AROUND US AND DEMANDING MORE FACILITIES AND SERVICE, THEN YES, WE'LL RESPOND TO THAT. BUT WE DON'T HAVE A GROWTH GOAL OR OBJECTIVE AT THE AIRPORT.

IT'S A NAPLES CITY. NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY IS A PUBLIC AGENCY WHOSE, IF YOU READ THE ENABLING LEGISLATION, IT'S ESSENTIALLY READS TO OPERATE A SAFE AND MAINTAIN A SAFE AND EFFICIENT AIRPORT.

AND YOU HAVE DONE SO. WOULD YOU AGREE? YES. I MEAN, WE WORK VERY HARD AT IT EVERY DAY.

WE HAVE A DEDICATED STAFF OF PEOPLE THAT ALL THEY DO IS SAFETY.

WE HAVE A SAFETY MANAGER. WE HAVE SAFETY PROGRAMS. WE, WE WE FREQUENTLY ARE RECOGNIZED BY INDUSTRY FOR OUR ACHIEVEMENTS AND SAFETY.

WE ARE INSPECTED BY THE FAA AND THIRD PARTY AUDITORS ON A ROUTINE BASIS ABOUT THE AIRFIELD, THE FUELING OPERATION, THE EMPLOYEE CULTURE, AND ROUTINELY RECOGNIZED FOR THOSE EFFORTS.

THANK, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND FINALLY, IN ALL THE NUMBERS THAT GET THROWN AROUND, ECONOMIC IMPACT, HAVE YOU SEEN IN ANY OF YOUR STUDIES WHAT THE EXACT ECONOMIC IMPACT IS OF THE NAPLES AIRPORT ON THE COMMUNITY? SO IT'S IT'S SIGNIFICANT. AND THE NUMBERS THAT ARE OUT THERE TODAY IS A DOT STUDY THAT'S NOW FIVE YEARS OLD.

SO I SUSPECT THAT THE. AND THAT SAID, THE AIRPORT HAS AN ANNUAL ECONOMIC IMPACT OF 781 MILLION.

I SUSPECT THAT NUMBER IS 30 TO 40% HIGHER TODAY.

BUT WE'LL SEE. THEY'RE STARTING A NEW THEY'RE STARTING A NEW STUDY.

SO WE'LL SEE. AND AND YOU'VE EXPLORED ALL CAPACITIES OF MOVING OR RELOCATING.

AND IT'S JUST NOT THERE. SO THE AIRPORTS WHERE IT'S AT, IF IT'S GOING TO STAY HERE, IT'S WHERE IT'S AT.

HOPEFULLY WE'RE WELL PAST THAT DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT.

WELL, THERE ARE SOME. YEAH. AND NO, WE HAVE, I MEAN, NOW WE'RE FOCUSED ON MAXIMIZING THE SAFETY.

AND WE'RE ABOUT TO COMMENCE A RESILIENCY STUDY.

WE'VE UNDERTAKEN A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RESILIENCY INITIATIVES ALREADY THROUGH ELEVATING OUR FUEL FARM EQUIPMENT WATERPROOFING SOME OF THE BUILDINGS WITH BARRIERS THAT ARE DEPLOYED BEFORE A STORM.

THE NEW AIRFIELD LIGHTING SYSTEM IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION WITH AN ELEVATED VAULT.

SO WE'RE TAKING A LOT OF STEPS, BUT WE WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN WE LEAVE NO STONE UNTURNED WHEN IT COMES TO RESILIENCY, BECAUSE IN TIME OF HURRICANE OR OTHER DISASTER, THAT'S WHEN THE AIRPORT IS NEEDED MOST BY THE COMMUNITY, FOR SURE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR ANSWERS TO THE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.

SPEAKING OF RESILIENCY, YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE DOING THE GROWTH OR THE NORTH TERMINAL BECAUSE OF FEMA IN STAGES.

SO IF I RECALL, AND IT WAS A DEVASTATING DAY AND ESPECIALLY FOR THE AIRPORT IT EVEN EVERY DAY FLOODING, THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH FLOODING AT THE AIRPORT.

NO, THAT'S NOT CORRECT. WE'VE SPENT TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS ON OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM.

IT'S ALL AIRPORT AND GRANT FUNDED. AND, YOU KNOW, THE RUNWAYS AT THE AIRPORT ARE MORE OR LESS THE SAME ELEVATION AS FIFTH AVENUE.

SO ANY EFFECTS AT THE AIRPORT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ON FIFTH AVENUE FIRST.

AND YOU KNOW, THE THE NORTH ROAD TERMINAL. WE DO IT WAS NOT FLOODED.

IT WAS ALMOST FLOODED DURING. IAN. IT HAS SUSTAINED SOME DAMAGE DURING RECENT HURRICANES, THOUGH, BECAUSE THE, THE GLASS WAS NOT IMPACT RATED. IT WAS ORIGINAL FROM 19 EARLY 1980S.

SO WE NEEDED TO HARDEN THE BUILDING. AND WE WE'VE DONE THAT NOW WITH THESE PHASED IMPROVEMENTS AND YOU KNOW, IMPROVING THE ROOF AND THE HVAC. AND WE'VE PURCHASED SOME FLOOD BARRIERS TO DEPLOY AROUND THE BUILDING SHOULD IT BE NECESSARY IN RESPONSE TO A STORM? YEAH. I RECALL WHEN YOU AND I WENT THROUGH COVID AND I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE COMING IN AND WE WEREN'T REALLY SURE.

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AND YOU REALLY WORKED WELL WITH US ON THAT, BUT YOU COULDN'T REALLY DO ANYTHING TO PREVENT PEOPLE COMING IN.

BUT THE REASON I ASK THAT QUESTION IS IF THIS BUDGET WOULD YOU WOULD AGREE OR NOT AGREE IS AN INCREASE IN CAPACITY OR FLIGHTS BY THIS BUDGET.

IS THIS BUDGET AN INCREASE FOR YOU. THERE'S ADDITIONAL STAFF TO SUPPORT GROUND HANDLING FOR AMERICAN AIRLINES.

BUT I THINK JUST LIKE YOU ALL HAVE SEEN, YOU HAVE SIGNIFICANT INFLATIONARY COST IMPACTS.

THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS IS HIGHER TODAY THAN IT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO.

SO I THINK IT'S A COMBINATION OF MORE ACTIVITY AND THE INFLATIONARY IMPACTS THAT WE'VE ALL DEALT WITH, EVEN IN OUR PERSONAL LIVES. I MEAN, OUR INSURANCE COSTS THAT WE JUST RENEWED OUR LIABILITY POLICY.

IT'S DOUBLE WHAT IT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO. SO TO COMPLETE THE QUESTION ABOUT RESILIENCY, DO YOU WHAT'S YOUR EMERGENCY EVACUATION? I DON'T I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT. MAYBE OUR STAFF IS IF IF THERE'S AN EMERGENCY WHAT'S THE EVACUATION OR DO YOU DO THOSE AIRPLANES REMAIN HERE? I'M SORRY. IS THAT RELEVANT TO THE BUDGET DISCUSSION? NO. YOU WERE JUST SAYING ABOUT RESILIENCY AND THAT WE WERE I MEAN, AIRPLANES LEAVE AND SAFETY.

THEY'RE MOBILE. I MEAN, WE WE WE HAVE A WE USE EVERBRIDGE, AN EARLY WARNING SYSTEM THAT WE CAN COMMUNICATE WITH TENANTS AND CUSTOMERS AND FOLKS.

CAN WE ENCOURAGE FOLKS AND WE DO JUST LIKE YOU DO HERE IN THE CITY.

WE EDUCATE FOLKS ABOUT HOW TO PREP FOR STORM SEASON, DEVELOP A PLAN.

WE'LL SEND NOTICE OUT EARLY IN THE STAGES. TRACKS CAN CHANGE.

I MEAN, WE ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE THEIR AIRCRAFT AND LEAVE THE AREA.

THEY'RE MOBILE ASSETS AND NEARLY ALL AIRCRAFT ARE VACATED FROM THE AIRPORT.

STRATEGICALLY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE FIRE STATION, TALLEST FLOOR ELEVATION ON THE AIRPORT AT ROUGHLY 12FT.

WE TAKE ADVANTAGE FOR STAGING VEHICLES AND EQUIPMENT UP ON THE OLD NEAR YOUR THE CITY'S SOLID WASTE FACILITY, THE ELEVATED FACILITY THERE FOR PARKING AND STAGING OF EQUIPMENT SO THAT IT DOESN'T GET FLOODED.

SO WE HAVE A VERY ROBUST RESPONSE PLAN. OKAY.

AND SAFETY IS PART OF A BUDGET. SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. BUT MR. ROSANSKY, SO THE LEASES, THE GRANTS, ALL OF THAT IS INDICATING THAT WE'RE PREPARING OR AN INCREASE IN THE INCOME THAT YOU'RE PREPARING AND IT'S SHOWING GROWTH IN THIS BUDGET.

I THINK SO. IT MATCHES WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE COMMUNITY AROUND US.

SO AMERICAN AIRLINES, ARE YOU WORKING WITH STAFF ON AMERICAN AIRLINES COMING TO NAPLES AND ANY OTHER STAFF? PARDON. WHOSE STAFF? OUR STAFF IN TERMS OF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND PERMITTING.

YES OF COURSE. AND FOLLOWING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND ALL OF THE THINGS THAT GO WITH THAT.

BUT AGAIN THE COMP PLAN ONLY APPLIES INSOFAR AS IT DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH STATE OR FEDERAL LAW.

SO I'M NOT I'M NOT. I'M ON IF THERE'S A SPECIFIC QUESTION, I'M HAPPY TO TRY AND ANSWER THAT, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YOU SAID THAT YOU KNOW, YOUR PRIORITIES OR THE PRIORITIES OF SOMEONE ASKED ABOUT GROWTH. SO THE COMMUNITY IS DEMANDING THIS GROWTH, BUT ALSO WE HAVE A COMMUNITY THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, GROWTH IS AT ITS PEAK AND EVERY TWO MINUTES TO HAVE FLIGHTS IS A CONCERN.

SO YOU AND I HAD THIS CONVERSATION. THANK YOU.

BY THE WAY. I THOUGHT THAT THE TOUR WAS EXCELLENT.

AND I APPRECIATE ALL YOUR TIME AND YOUR STAFF'S TIME AND, AND THE OPERATOR'S TIMES FOR SHOWING ME AROUND.

AND BUT IT IS CONCERNING TO ME THAT WE ALWAYS HEAR THAT YOU CAN'T CONTROL GROWTH, BUT YOU CAN CONTROL GROWTH IF YOU'RE EXPANDING THE NORTH TERMINAL AND ALLOWING FOR THAT.

I MEAN, WHAT WAS THE AMOUNT THAT YOU PUT INTO IT SO FAR? AND YOU'RE GOING TO PUT INTO IT A MILLION THIS YEAR OR 1,000,009 AND THEN NEXT IN 28, 3 MILLION.

SO BASICALLY WE ARE CONTRIBUTING OR YOU ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE AMOUNT OF GROWTH.

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SO IT'S A VERY FAMILIAR USE TO WHAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST.

I'M JUST FRANKLY, NOTHING AGAINST AMERICAN AIRLINES.

IT'S NOT AGAINST AMERICAN AIRLINES BECAUSE YES, WE HAVE HAD IT IN THE PAST, BUT WE'VE ALSO NOT HAD THE YOU CALL THEM FBOS OR FRACTIONAL OPERATORS. SO IT'S A DIFFERENT PIE THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH.

IN THE PAST, IT WAS COMMERCIAL AND IT'S MADE CHANGES THROUGHOUT.

I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IF IF IT'S NOT AN INTENTIONAL GROWTH IT'S A GOAL OF THE COMMUNITY.

THERE ALSO SHOULD BE THE GOAL OF THE COMMUNITY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE STAY A MUNICIPAL COMMUNITY AIRPORT.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THOSE, HOW THESE PRIORITIES IN THIS BUDGET, WHICH INDICATE GROWTH TO ME FIT IN WITH THAT.

SO AIRLINES HAVE CREDIT CARDS. I'M SURE SOME OF YOU MIGHT HAVE AN AIRLINE CREDIT CARD IN YOUR WALLET.

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY USE THAT DATA FOR? THEY USE IT TO SEE WHERE THEIR CUSTOMERS ARE SPENDING MONEY.

AND THAT'S IN PART HOW THEY MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT WHERE TO FLY TO.

HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT THE AIRPORT DOES.

AIRPORTS DO. GO OUT AND TRY TO ATTRACT AIR SERVICE.

WE DON'T DO THAT. WE DON'T DO ANY BUSINESS MARKETING.

SO THE AIRLINES, THEY LOOK AT WHERE ARE PEOPLE SPENDING MONEY? WHY ARE THEY SPENDING MONEY HERE IN NAPLES OR COLLIER COUNTY? BECAUSE THERE'S HOTELS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.

THERE'S NEW LUXURY HOMES BEING BUILT. THERE'S HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS.

EVERY TIME YOU DRIVE DOWN A 951 COLLIER BOULEVARD, YOU SEE NEW HOUSING COMMUNITIES GOING IN.

PEOPLE ARE SPENDING MONEY. AND SO THEN THEY IN TURN FIND OUT, OKAY, OUR CUSTOMERS ARE IN THESE PLACES.

THEY'RE SPENDING MONEY HERE. IS THERE AN AIRPORT THAT WE CAN PROVIDE SERVICE TO? AND THAT IS IN PART, THEY'VE TOLD US THIS. THAT'S IN PART HOW THEY MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT WHERE TO FLY.

YEAH. AND, AND I GUESS IN TRYING TO BE GOOD PARTNERS, BECAUSE WE OWN THE LAND, YOU DEVELOP THE LAND AND THE COMMUNITY IS IMPACTED BY THE LAND. I'M TRYING TO ONCE AGAIN AND FIND OUT FROM YOU, HOW CAN WE STAY A MUNICIPAL AIRPORT WHERE THERE IS AN INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT THAT CAN HANDLE THE IMPACTS THAT ARE GROWING RIGHT NOW THERE? TO EXPAND TO MEET THE NEEDS OF COMMERCIAL. THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR REPRESENTATIVES OF AMERICAN AIRLINES.

I MEAN, I'VE WONDERED THAT MYSELF BECAUSE IT COSTS THERE'S ADDITIONAL COST TO DUPLICATE THEIR EFFORTS IN ANOTHER MARKET 3040 MINUTES AWAY.

SO WHY WOULD THEY DO THAT? THEY MUST HAVE DONE THE MATH.

THAT SAID, THERE'S A MARKET FOR IT HERE. WE CAN'T.

THAT'S THAT'S THEIR PROPRIETARY DATA AND DECISION MAKING.

AND OUR OBLIGATION AS A PUBLIC AIRPORT IS TO ENGAGE WITH THEM IN GOOD FAITH.

AND IF IT IF IT COMES TO NAPLES, THEN TO MAKE SURE IT'S DONE SAFELY, SECURELY, AND YOU KNOW, IN RESPONSE TO WHAT THE SERVICES PEOPLE ARE ASKING FOR.

YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. I'VE, YOU'VE, WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION.

AND I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE ONCE AGAIN, YOU BRINGING THIS BUDGET TO US.

AND I'LL JUST SAY THAT THIS BUDGET SHOWS GROWTH.

AND EVEN THOUGH WE CAN'T CONTROL GROWTH, WE CAN CONTROL GROWTH BY NOT, CHANGING THE NORTH TERMINAL TO ACCOMMODATE IT BY NOT PUTTING CIP PROJECTS TOWARDS IT, BY NOT TAKING FEDERAL GRANTS THAT WILL PAY FOR THAT GROWTH.

AND THAT'S WHAT CONCERNS ME. SO I'M SORRY, WHAT IS THAT ABOUT GRANTS? WELL, I THINK THE VICE MAYOR SAID THAT THE THAT SOME OF THE GRANTS WILL BE PAID FOR, NOT FOR THE TERMINAL, FOR THE RUNWAYS AND TAXIWAYS. RIGHT. YEAH. THERE'S NO GRANT FUNDS GOING INTO THE TERMINAL PROJECT.

OKAY. WELL, I MEAN, MAYOR, IF I MAY, THE CITY'S BUDGET IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN WHAT IT WAS A YEAR AGO.

DOESN'T THAT ALSO INSINUATE THERE'S GROWTH IN THE CITY? THANK YOU FOR THAT. ACTUALLY, IT JUST SHOWS THAT WE'VE IGNORED INFRASTRUCTURE THAT NEEDED TO BE TAKEN CARE OF UNDER THE GROUND.

I'M REFERRING TO YOUR OPERATING BUDGET. WELL, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO HIRE MORE PEOPLE AND MORE QUALIFIED PEOPLE.

THANK YOU. I AGREE WITH THAT. THANK YOU. SO IS THAT.

IS THAT WHAT? I'M SORRY. I'M NOT TRYING TO DEBATE YOU.

I'M JUST SAYING IT'S STILL A CONCERN OF MINE.

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WHETHER IT'S HERE AT THE DAIS OR WHEN YOU AND I ARE TALKING AT THE AIRPORT.

AND WHEN YOU ARRIVED BACK IN 2016, I SAID, PLEASE, PLEASE BE MINDFUL OF THE COMMUNITY AND THE EXPANSION AND IMPACT BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DEALT WITH FOR, FOR EIGHT YEARS.

WE WERE, I WOULD SAY, HARDER THAN JUST ABOUT ANY AIRPORT IN THE COUNTRY ON THE NOISE ISSUE.

AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT CHANGES MIGHT BE COMING WITH THE BOARD OR OTHERWISE, WE'LL CONTINUE TO FOCUS ON NOISE EFFORTS.

I ACTUALLY TAKE A LOT OF CRITICISM FROM SOME OF THE TENANTS AND USERS ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF MONEY BEING SPENT ON NOISE PROGRAMS. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A DEDICATED STAFF. THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY COMMITTED TO THE NOISE OUTREACH AND PROMOTING OUR, OUR, OUR VOLUNTARY CURFEW PROGRAM, THE, THE NEW ARRIVAL PROCEDURES.

WE'RE STILL WORKING ON ON TRYING TO GET UPDATED DEPARTURE PROCEDURES.

WE WILL ALWAYS BE COMMITTED TO THOSE EFFORTS.

THE NOISE MONITORING, THE PERMANENT NOISE. WE HAVE PORTABLE NOISE MONITORS.

ANY RESIDENT HERE CAN REQUEST THEM. WE THE BOARD MORE RECENTLY IS PART OF THE INCREASE IN NOISE SPENDING IS BECAUSE OF THE PERMANENT MONITORS.

THERE'LL BE 6 OR 7 PLACED AROUND THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING A COUPLE HERE SOUTHWEST OF THE AIRPORT IN THE CITY.

SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO GETTING THOSE DEPLOYED AND GETTING COLLECTING GREAT DATA.

UNFORTUNATELY, LIKE SO MANY OTHER THINGS, WE ARE VERY LIMITED IN WHAT WE ARE ABLE TO DO IN TERMS OF NOISE AND RESTRICTIONS. AND IT, IT'S UNFORTUNATE. WE'VE, WE'VE JOINTLY LOBBIED CONGRESS BEFORE.

WE'RE HAPPY TO CONSIDER DOING THAT AGAIN. WE'VE APPLIED TO PARTICIPATE ON THE FAA'S NOISE ADVISORY COMMITTEE THAT I WOULD HOPE COULD HELP CHANGE NOISE POLICY TO BETTER REFLECT THE NOISE EXPERIENCED BY SEASONAL COMMUNITIES SUCH AS NAPLES. WE ALL KNOW THE FAA DOESN'T CONSIDER SEASONAL IMPACT.

THEY LOOK AT AN ANNUAL AVERAGE. WE'D LIKE TO CHANGE THAT.

WE THINK THAT MAKES GOOD SENSE. IT'S VERY HARD FOR FEDERAL AGENCY TO CONSIDER THAT SORT OF CHANGE.

BUT WE THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE BECAUSE NAPLES AND A NUMBER OF OTHER COMMUNITIES LIKE IT, YOU KNOW, BEAR THE BRUNT OF OF THAT POLICY. BUT AS MUCH AS WE DO AND YOU'VE BEEN THERE, YOU'VE MANY OF YOU HAVE BEEN THERE.

YOU'VE SEEN THAT WE PLASTER THE NOISE MESSAGING EVERYWHERE.

IT'S ON SIGNAGE. IT'S IN THE PILOT REST AREAS.

IT'S ON THE LANDING PAGE. PILOT USED IN FLIGHT PLANNING.

IT'S ON WATER BOTTLES. IT'S ON SIGNAGE ON THE AIRFIELD.

WE HAVE GIVEAWAYS THAT REINFORCE THE MESSAGE.

IN FACT, I AM FREQUENTLY APPROACHED BY PILOTS, NOT THOSE WHO ARE BASED HERE, BUT TRANSIENTS WHO MAKE.

OH YEAH, NO, WE'RE SORRY. WE WE DO KNOW. WE KNOW ABOUT THE CURFEW.

IT'S OH, WE FOLLOW IT. WE FOLLOW THAT MANDATORY CURFEW AND THEY'LL SAY MANDATORY.

AND I JUST REMAIN SILENT AND SAY THANK YOU. WE OUR COMMUNITY APPRECIATES THAT.

THAT'S HOW GOOD A JOB WE'VE DONE AT COMMUNICATING THAT MESSAGE THAT ARE SOME IN THE AVIATION COMMUNITY THAT ACTUALLY BELIEVE IT'S MANDATORY, EVEN THOUGH IT CAN ONLY BY LAW BE A VOLUNTARY CURFEW.

SO WE WILL ALWAYS WORK DILIGENTLY AT THAT. JUST WE ARE VERY CONSTRAINED.

JUST THANK YOU. JUST AS WE KNOW, THE CITY IS CONSTRAINED.

AND, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE MANAGING TRAFFIC ON 41 OR 75, I MEAN, 75, OH MY GOSH, IT'S GOING TO BE TEN LANES COMING DOWN TO NAPLES.

YES. THAT I HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT WE'RE WATCHING THAT CLOSELY BECAUSE THAT COULD HAVE AN IMPACT ON AIR TRAFFIC.

YES. WELL, AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR DIALOG. AS ALWAYS.

THANK YOU FOR THIS BUDGET. YOU BROUGHT UP NOISE.

COULD WE HAVE A PRESENTATION ON HOW WE'RE ADDRESSING THE NOISE? I KNOW THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE. WE COMPLETED THE PART 150 TO GO TO PART 161.

I HAVEN'T HAD AN UPDATE ON ANY OF THAT. NO, THERE IS DISCUSSION AND RECOMMENDATION BY THE NOISE COMPATIBILITY COMMITTEE, WHICH I BELIEVE I CAN'T RECALL. COUNCILMAN KROLL, I DON'T THINK YOU WERE APPOINTED YET.

IT CONFLICTED WITH THE CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS LAST TWO MEETINGS. SO I DID MISS TWO MEETINGS.

WELL, BUT I DON'T THINK I THINK THAT THE DISCUSSION MIGHT HAVE BEEN UNDER FORMER COUNCILWOMAN PETRANOFF, BUT THERE WAS DISCUSSION ABOUT 161, AND IT WAS DECIDED, AND THE BOARD AGREED NOT TO PURSUE IT AT THIS TIME, SIMPLY BECAUSE THE FAA HAS MADE IT QUITE CLEAR THEY HAVE NO INTENTION OF APPROVING ANY NEW USE RESTRICTIONS AT AIRPORTS IN THE UNITED STATES. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE FAA IS VERY FOCUSED RIGHT NOW ON ELECTRIC AIRCRAFT.

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WOW. I CANNOT BELIEVE THAT WE'VE DONE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY.

150 PART 150 STUDIES TO TRY AND GET TO A. 161 AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO COMPLETE THE 161.

I DIDN'T REALIZE THE FAA WAS VOCAL ABOUT NOT ALLOWING ANY OTHER.

WHAT DID YOU CALL IT? THEY'LL ALLOW IT. IT JUST THEY, THEY DON'T APPROVE.

THEY'VE NEVER APPROVED A RESTRICTION. THE RESTRICTION THAT NAPLES WAS SUCCESSFUL IN MORE THAN 20 YEARS AGO DID NOT REQUIRE FAA APPROVAL.

STAGE BANNING STAGE ONE AND TWO JETS DID NOT REQUIRE THE FAA'S APPROVAL, YOU SIMPLY HAD TO FOLLOW THE PROCESS THAT CONGRESS AUTHORIZED.

THAT'S WHY THERE'S BEEN SINCE NAPLES ACHIEVEMENT 20 PLUS YEARS AGO.

THERE'S BEEN NO OTHER AIRPORTS IN THE COUNTRY THAT HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GAIN AN ACCESS RESTRICTION.

OKAY. WELL, I THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BEING HERE FOR YOUR PRESENTATION ON THE BUDGET.

I I'LL JUST SAY IT IS IT IS CONCERNING BECAUSE THIS BUDGET CLEARLY INDICATES GROWTH AT THE AIRPORT.

ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? COUNCIL. SCHULTZ. KROLL.

I WAS AT A MEETING WITH SOME OF OUR FRIENDS AT THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS, AND I HEARD A NUMBER THROWN AROUND.

SOMEWHERE AROUND 400,000 MORE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE IN THIS AREA WITHIN THE NEXT 5 TO 7 YEARS.

THAT'S REALITY. AND WE BUILT IT. THEY'RE COMING.

THE FOUR SEASONS BUILT IT. THEY'RE NOT PLANNING ON LOSING MONEY IN THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT TRAVEL TO THAT PLACE ARE PROBABLY GOING TO FLY PRIVATE AMONGST OTHERS IN THIS COMMUNITY.

WE'RE GOING VERY UPSCALE. AND IF WE DON'T GET OUR ARMS AROUND THE FACT THAT REALITY IS WHAT REALITY IS, WE'RE GOING TO MISS OUT ON SO MANY THINGS WHILE WE'RE FIGHTING YESTERDAY'S WARS.

THERE'S A GROUP IN THE COMMUNITY, THE COALITION, THAT SAYS WE'RE SPENDING SO MUCH TIME AND RESOURCES ON THE AIRPORT THAT WE'RE LETTING OTHER THINGS GO. AND YOU APTLY PUT IT, THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS GONE DOWN. IT WAS NOT BUILT THE WAY IT SHOULD, AND IT'S NOW REARING ITS UGLY HEAD WITH FLOODS EVERYWHERE.

WE HAVE TO REALLY GET OUR PRIORITIES RIGHT ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THIS COMMUNITY.

AND WE CAN'T CONTINUE TO WASTE MONEY. BUT IT'S GOING TO GROW, GIRL.

OH IT'S COMING. I THINK WE'VE DONE A LOT MORE WITH INFRASTRUCTURE THE PAST FEW MONTHS THAN WE'VE DONE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.

AND, YOU KNOW, GIVEN OUR LIMITATIONS, WHAT KIND OF SIZE BUDGET WE HAVE, WE'VE KIND OF WE'VE KIND OF DONE PRETTY WELL THERE.

JUST ON A LIGHTER NOTE, I WANT TO KNOW IF YOU EVER FOUND THE OWNER OF THAT DOG THAT WENT RUNNING ON THE AIRPORT.

YEAH. I BELIEVE IT WAS A STRAY. SO WE CONTACTED THE HUMANE SOCIETY, AND I'M SURE IT'LL HELP FIND A GREAT HOME. I APPRECIATE THAT EFFORT.

YEAH. HE DID. THANK YOU. PARDON? IN REFERENCE TO THE, THE THE GROWTH WORD THAT KEEPS GETTING THROWN AROUND HERE.

WE GOT TO ALSO UNDERSTAND, WHILE THE AIRPORT IS OWNED BY THE CITY OF NAPLES, THE AIRPORT ITSELF ACTUALLY FUNCTIONS FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.

SO WHILE NAPLES MAY BE SOMEWHERE AROUND 2000 RESIDENTS, AND WE DON'T EXPECT THAT TO BE TO HAVE A BIG INCREASE THERE.

SO THE GROWTH IS NOT HAPPENING IN NAPLES. IT SURE AS HECK IS HAPPENING OUT THERE.

SO THE FACT THAT THE AIRPORT IS IS FUNCTIONING TO SUPPORT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, WHICH INCLUDES COLLIER COUNTY AND NAPLES YEAH, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH GROWTH. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH MORE ACTIVITY, BECAUSE WE'VE NOW GOT SOMEWHERE AROUND 400 000 RESIDENTS HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY.

AND THE AIRPORT WORKS FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, SERVICES, THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST THE CITY OF NAPLES.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT, OH, THIS BUDGET SHOWS GROWTH.

I'M SURE IT DOES. WE'VE GOT 400,000 PEOPLE HERE IN THIS COMMUNITY, AND A WHOLE HECK OF A LOT OF THEM ARE COMING FROM THE COUNTY TO USE THE FACILITY.

THAT IS, THAT IS AND THE SERVICES PROVIDED BY THE AIRPORT.

SO, YEAH, IT PROBABLY DOES SHOW GROWTH BECAUSE OUR COMMUNITY HAS SHOWN HAS HAD SIGNIFICANT GROWTH.

MAYBE NOT THE CITY OF NAPLES, BUT COLLIER COUNTY AS A WHOLE HAS HAD HAS HAD A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF GROWTH, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY GOING TO AFFECT THE OPERATIONS AT THE AIRPORT, BECAUSE IT'S NOT JUST THE CITY OF NAPLES RESIDENTS THAT ARE USING IT. THANK YOU CRAMER.

I'M GOING TO NOT PUSH BACK, BUT MAYBE ADD TO THAT.

THE REALITY IS, AS WE POST IAN REHAB AND REDEVELOP A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES IN TOWN, THE CITY IS ACTUALLY SHOWING GROWTH NOT IN TERMS OF RAW NUMBERS BUT IN TERMS OF HIGH NET WORTH INDIVIDUALS.

WE'RE GOING TO BE SERVICING MORE AND MORE OF OUR CITY, OF OUR CITIZENS, PEOPLE WHO PAY TAXES HERE, WHO ARE HIGH NET WORTH INDIVIDUALS WHEN THEY.

THE 900 SQUARE FOOT CONDOS ARE DEMOLISHED AND THEY TURNED 28 OF THEM INTO SIX BIG OLD CONDOS.

THOSE FOLKS ARE FLYING IN AND THE PEOPLE THAT LEFT WEREN'T FLYING IN.

SO THAT'S JUST LIKE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE. IT'S GOING TO BE A BEAUTIFUL PROJECT AND IT'S GOING TO REPLACE STUFF THAT WAS ALL TORE UP AND IT'S GOING TO BE HIGH NET WORTH INDIVIDUALS. AND THAT'S ALL OVER. THAT'S ALL OVER THE CITY OF NAPLES PROPER. AND SO I AGREE,

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I MEAN, IT'S A FINITE BOUNDARY. THAT'S IT IS WHAT IT IS.

AND WE MIGHT NOT LIKE WHAT IT IS OR WHAT IT'S TURNED INTO, BUT THE REALITY IS IT'S NOT GOING TO GROW EXPONENTIALLY, NOT EVEN GEOMETRICALLY. IT'S JUST ADDING A PRETTY SMALL PERCENTAGE TO WHAT THE WORST EXPERIENCES WE'VE HAD.

SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THAT. I, I READ A RECENT ARTICLE ABOUT HOW PRIVATE EQUITY IS BUYING UP ALL THE, OR AS MANY AS THEY CAN, SMALL MARINAS THROUGHOUT, ESPECIALLY FLORIDA.

I DIDN'T KNOW WHY UNTIL I HEARD YOUR RENT RATES WERE.

AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT I PAID ABOUT DOUBLE THAT BEFORE I SOLD MY BOAT, BECAUSE WHEN YOU GOT ACROSS FROM YOU AT DRY STACK STORAGE, 26 FOOT CENTER CONSOLE PAYS $1,300 A MONTH, AND I COULD HAVE A WHOLE AIRPLANE IN THERE FOR THAT.

I'M NOT VERY SMART. I NEED TO FIND ME A PLANE.

THANK YOU. ME TOO. ME TOO. OKAY. VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU.

I WAS GOING TO MAKE SIMILAR COMMENTS ABOUT THE ALL THE GROWTH AROUND US THAT WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH IN OUR OWN BUDGET AND OUR OWN SERVICES.

I WON'T REPEAT THAT. AND I APPRECIATE YOU ALL PATIENTLY ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS THROUGH THIS AS WE TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON ALL AROUND US.

AND I WANT TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO ACCENTUATE WHAT I THINK YOU IMPLIED WAS A LIKE CONVENIENCE STORE TYPE PRICING MODEL FOR AMERICAN OR ANY OTHER AIRLINES THAT COME IN WHERE YOU MAKE SURE THEY'RE PAYING ALL THEIR SHARE OF THE COST AND THE PRICE IS PASSED ON TO THE CONSUMER, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WILL INDIRECTLY HELP CONTROL THE VOLUME, BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL BE A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL BE INCENTIVIZED TO GO TO RSW WHERE IT COSTS LESS TO FLY OUT.

IF THEY CAN GET THERE IN 30 MINUTES AND SAVE A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS PER PERSON.

THEY MIGHT DO THAT INSTEAD OF DRIVING UP GROWTH AT OUR AIRPORT.

SO I THINK I HEARD YOU IMPLY THAT YOU WERE DOING THAT, THAT THE AMERICANS TICKETS WOULD BE A LOT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THEY ARE AT W.

BUT JUST TO BE SURE THAT WE DO ALLOCATE ALL COSTS TO THEM THAT YOU REASONABLY CAN UNDER THE, UNDER THE LAW AND THE CONTRACT THAT YOU NEGOTIATE.

I THINK THAT WILL HELP WITH THE VOLUME. YEAH, WE CERTAINLY ARE ALLOCATING THEIR THEIR SHARE OF THE COST DIRECTLY TO THEM AND THE FINANCIAL IMPACT THAT THEY HAVE IN TERMS OF THEIR PRICING MODEL, YOU KNOW, MAKES GOOD SENSE THAT TICKETS W BE CHEAPER THAN THEY MIGHT BE HERE, BUT THAT ULTIMATELY IS THEIR BUSINESS DECISION.

SURE. I MEAN, THERE ARE LOT OF DISCOUNT AIRLINES THAT ARE W THAT PROVIDE A COMPETITIVE FACTOR THAT WE WON'T HAVE HERE.

AND I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE A LOT OF THE NET WORTH, HIGH NET WORTH PEOPLE THAT COACH REFERRED TO.

THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT PRICE. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE VALUE OF THEIR TIME AND CONVENIENCE.

BUT FOR OTHER PEOPLE IT MIGHT MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

SO THANKS. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU.

HAVE A GREAT DAY. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES FOR A MOVING TO PUBLIC

[5) PUBLIC COMMENTS]

OH, WAIT, I'M SORRY. I IF YOU WANT TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK NOW SO THAT. YES.

I WOULD HAVE JUMPED UP AND MOVED THAT. SORRY.

YOU DON'T KNOW HOW NICE IT IS TO BE OUT MAYOR, I AM SO HAPPY TO SEE YOU.

IT'S NOT IN THE WHEELCHAIR. BUT, SIR. WELCOME.

HEY! I'M HERE. THIS WHEELCHAIR IS JUST A POTHOLE IN THE ROAD.

IN THE ROAD OF LIFE. IS THAT GOOD? GOT IT. AM I ON? NO. YES. I'M GOOD TO GO. JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

OH. I'M SORRY. MICHAEL P ROGAN. AND, YES, I AM FROM THE NEW HOME OF THE CHICAGO BEARS.

HAMMOND, INDIANA. AND I RESIDE ON GULF SHORE BOULEVARD.

AND I'VE BEEN HERE SINCE EARLY 70S AND A RESIDENT SINCE THE MID 80S.

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DOUBLE IT. ALL YOU HEARD IS HIGH END. SOMEBODY'S GOING TO DONATE THE THING OR GROUP OF PEOPLE DON'T LET THAT HAS A SHOW NAPLES TO BE WHAT? WITH THIS DAM ART PROJECT THAT'S BEEN STUCK IN THE MUD SINCE I GOT INVOLVED WITH IT IN 2015.

I'M DONE WITH THAT SUBJECT. TWO. MAYOR. YOU DID THE RIGHT THING WHEN YOU CHOKED OFF THE ART.

COUNCIL BECAUSE Y'ALL DIDN'T KNOW WHERE YOU WERE GOING WITH IT, AND YOU DIDN'T REALIZE HOW CORRUPT ART IS.

OKAY, I MAKE NOTES TO WRITE A BOOK LATER WHEN I GET OLD.

YOU PUT A CHAPTER FOR YOU. THERE WAS THERE WERE SCREW JOBS DONE TO ME.

NOT KNOWING MY ENORMOUS EXPERIENCE WITH PUBLIC ART FOR THREE GENERATIONS IN MY FAMILY.

I DON'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED WITH LAWSUITS. I WANT TO MAKE ART.

I'M WILLING TO HELP YOU GUYS COME UP WITH A PROGRAM TO GOVERN THE SPENDING OF THIS MONEY.

LOOK, WE GOT PEOPLE STEALING MONEY FOR HOSPICE? CHILDREN'S FOOD? YOU THINK IT DIDN'T START WHEN THEY BUILT THE PYRAMIDS? THIS IS REFINED STUFF YOU'RE GOING UP AGAINST.

DONE WITH THAT SUBJECT? THE ONLY ONE THAT I KNOW HAS EVER SEEN BRONZE ARTWORK THAT HAS GONE INTO PATINA IS YOU, COACH. I NOTICED WHEN I GOT OUT.

THAT WE HAVE OLD PIECES OF BRONZE THAT WERE DONE, THAT HAVE BEEN PAINTED.

NEVER, EVER, EVER LET THAT HAPPEN. IT'S NOT THE PROGRESSION OF HEART ART ENDS UP THREE WAYS.

A RICH COLLECTOR THAT PUTS IT IN A MUSEUM. AND THE NEXT TWO WE KNOW PLOWS AND SWORDS.

OLD ART IS LOOKED AT FOR THAT BECAUSE THE DAGGONE METAL HAS BEEN BEATEN SO MANY TIMES, HEATED UP.

READING IT MAKES GREAT THINGS TO KILL OR FEED.

ALL RIGHT, MADAM. I'M HERE TO SEE THIS PROJECT, AND I'M DONE WITH THAT.

AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU TAKING YOUR TIME.

IF YOU DON'T KNOW ME, WE CAN SPEND THE TIME. AND I'LL TELL YOU.

I'LL JUST DO A FEW OF THE VIETNAM WAR MEMORIAL IN WASHINGTON, D.C..

ALL THAT BLACK GRANITE. MY FAMILY DID THAT FOR U.S.

EMBASSIES. THANK YOU MAYOR. I'M WAITING FOR THE PICTURES NOW.

YEAH. THANK YOU. AND JUST FOR THE THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

I HOPE TO SEE YOU OUT OF THAT WHEELCHAIR AND BETTER HEALTH.

AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I DIDN'T KILL THE ART COMMITTEE.

BUT THAT WAS A GROUP EFFORT. WITH THAT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO SIX A, BUT WE'RE FIRST GOING TO TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK.

OKAY, WE'RE BACK AND CONTINUING ON WITH ITEM SIX.

[6.A) A Presentation of the 2024/2025 Annual Surface Water (Stormwater Ponds) and Pump Station Monitoring and Analysis Report.]

SO THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. KATIE LARKIN AND NATURAL RESOURCES DIVISION.

THIS IS A PRESENTATION OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2425.

ANNUAL SURFACE WATER AND PUMP STATION MONITORING AND ANALYSIS REPORT.

THIS PRESENTATION AND REPORT SUMMARIZES THE RESULTS OF THE STORMWATER POND, OUTFALL AND PUMP STATION WATER QUALITY TESTING THAT IS CONDUCTED MONTHLY.

THE CITY HAS MONITORED THE WATER QUALITY AT THESE OUTFALLS AT 22 STORMWATER PONDS AND THREE PUMP STATIONS ON A CONSISTENT BASIS SINCE 2015. AND THIS HELPS WITH ASSESSING THE CONDITION OF THE PONDS THAT ULTIMATELY DISCHARGE TO OUR NATURAL WATERWAYS.

TWO INFLOW LOCATIONS AT SPRING LAKE AND NORTH LAKE WERE ADDED IN AUGUST OF 23.

AND EVEN THOUGH THE TITLE OF THIS REPORT INDICATES FISCAL YEAR 2425, THERE IS HISTORICAL DATA THAT IS INCLUDED IN THIS REPORT.

SO IT DOES COVER THE ENTIRE PERIOD OF RECORD FOR FOR WHAT WE HAVE DATA FOR.

AND THIS HELPS DETERMINE TRENDS FOR KEY PARAMETERS LIKE NUTRIENTS, FECAL INDICATOR BACTERIA AND COPPER.

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SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO HIM. GOOD MORNING, MR. LOMBARD. LOMBARD. LOMBARD. IT'S YOU. YEP. AND IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

YES, MA'AM. MY NAME IS LANCE LOMBARD. I'M THE WATER QUALITY TEAM LEAD FOR WSP.

SO, MR. MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME THIS MORNING.

I'M GOING TO PRESENT, AS KATIE MENTIONED, A SUMMARY OF THE STORMWATER LAKE AND PUMP STATION REPORT THAT WSP HAS PREPARED FOR THE CITY FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS.

THIS REPRESENTS THE, THE FIFTH AND FINAL REPORT UNDER THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT.

AND, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF WANT TO LEAD WITH THIS COVER SLIDE HERE.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS REALLY THE EPITOME OF, OF WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT OUR WATER RESOURCES FOR THE PUBLIC ENJOYMENT.

YOU KNOW, AS, AS FINDING NEMO TAUGHT US A VERY VALUABLE LESSON REGARDING WATER, WATER QUALITY.

ALL DRAINS LEAD. WHERE? TO THE OCEAN. RIGHT. SO.

WELL, IT'S A BIT OF AN OVERSIMPLIFIED LESSON, BUT I THINK THAT IT'S GOT A LOT OF APPLICABILITY TO, TO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT HERE TODAY. SO IN THE CITY OF NAPLES YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ANY DIFFERENT IN ANY OTHER CITY IN THE COUNTRY, IN THE WORLD. WE HAVE QUITE A BIT OF DEVELOPMENT AND STORMWATER RUNOFF AND YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE OVER THE, OVER THE PAST, YOU KNOW, 100 YEARS OF BEING IN THE DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS, WE'VE UNDERSTOOD THAT, YOU KNOW, DISRUPTING AND CREATING IMPERVIOUS AREA AND CHANGING SOME OF THE BALANCE OF THE EXISTING ECOSYSTEM RESULTS IN SOME UNDESIRABLE WATER QUALITY ISSUES.

SO FOR THAT REASON, THE CITY STARTED MONITORING THEIR STORMWATER LAKES BACK IN 2015.

WE HAVE MONITORED THE CITY HAS MONITORED NORMAL RANGE OF PARAMETERS THAT WE TYPICALLY LOOK AT FOR STORMWATER.

A LOT OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH NUTRIENTS PHOSPHORUS AND NITROGEN.

THERE'S A COUPLE OF OTHER PARAMETERS THAT WE LOOK AT, INCLUDING FECAL INDICATOR BACTERIA OR BACTERIA THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH SEWAGE.

WE ALSO LOOK AT THINGS LIKE COPPER, WHICH CAN BE A PRODUCT OF OF MARINE PAINTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

ALL OF THOSE, THE COPPER IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S POTENTIALLY TOXIC TO AQUATIC ORGANISMS, BENTHIC INVERTEBRATES, THINGS LIKE THAT. THE NUTRIENTS THOUGH, THOSE TEND TO FEED THINGS LIKE ALGAE.

RIGHT. SO THEY'RE A, THEY'RE A FOOD SOURCE FOR PRIMARY PRODUCERS THAT NEED TO NEED THE SUN AND NUTRIENTS TO GROW.

SO WE ALSO MONITOR ALGAE THROUGH CHLOROPHYL A.

SO WHENEVER YOU SEE CHLOROPHYL A CONCENTRATIONS, THAT GIVES US AN IDEA OF HOW MUCH ALGAE IS IN THESE SYSTEMS. THIS PARTICULAR PRESENTATION, AS KATIE MENTIONED, IT COVERS A LITTLE BIT MORE IN DETAIL THE 2024 TO 2025 MONITORING PERIOD.

BUT WE DO HAVE DATA THAT GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2015 AND AND SOME THAT GOES BEYOND.

AND AT THE END OF THIS ALSO, I'LL COVER SOME OF THE DATA HIGHLIGHTS.

AND THEN AT THE END, I'LL HAVE SOME SOME RECOMMENDATIONS.

THERE ARE 28 STORMWATER LAKES WITHIN THE CITY'S INVENTORY.

WE'VE MONITORED 22 OF THOSE STORMWATER LAKES ON BEHALF OF THE CITY, BECAUSE THOSE ARE THOSE ARE LAKES THAT ARE CONTROLLED BY THE CITY AND HAVE A PUBLIC PUBLIC WATER, WATER INPUT SOURCES. THERE'S A COUPLE OTHERS THAT HAVE SOME SOME GRAY AREA THERE.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE HERE IS THAT STORMWATER LAKES IN THE CITY OF NAPLES DON'T HAVE ANY SPECIFIC WATER QUALITY REGULATIONS, RIGHT? THEY'RE NOT NATURAL FEATURES.

SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE MAKING THAT DISTINCTION WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WATER QUALITY AND HOW IT RELATES TO REGULATIONS AND HOW WE MANAGE THEM.

RIGHT. SO THESE ARE ACTUALLY INTENDED TO TREAT STORMWATER BEFORE THEY GET TO A NATURAL SYSTEM.

BUT AS WE ALL KNOW, PEOPLE LIVE AROUND THESE LAKES AND THEY SEE THEM AS AMENITIES.

SO WE HAVE TO BE COGNIZANT ABOUT THAT AND WE HAVE TO MANAGE THEM ACCORDINGLY.

SO WE HAVE 27 MONITORING SITES WITHIN THOSE 23 LAKES OR 22 LAKES AND THREE PUMP STATIONS.

THERE ARE FIVE RECEIVING WATER BODIES DOWNSTREAM OF THESE.

22 LAKES THAT WE MONITORED, INCLUDING GORDON RIVER, GULF OF MEXICO, MOORINGS BAY, NAPLES BAY.

AND THIS IS JUST FOR THE PUMP STATION HERE TOO, THAT WE JUST KIND OF INCLUDE THAT AS AS PUMP STATIONS.

I'M SURE YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THESE STORMWATER LAKES LOOK LIKE.

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AND THESE ARE WHERE WE WHERE WE FOCUS OUR SAMPLING EFFORTS AROUND THESE STRUCTURES TYPICALLY.

SO I ALREADY MENTIONED NUTRIENTS ARE ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS WE LOOK AT IN TERMS OF WATER QUALITY MANAGEMENT, WATER QUALITY MAINTENANCE, BECAUSE THEY'RE FEEDING ALGAE, RIGHT? THEY'RE NOT TOXIC TO ORGANISMS, BUT THEY ARE NUTRIENTS THAT STIMULATE GROWTH.

AND THAT'S WHAT RESPONDS. THE ALGAE RESPOND TO THAT.

AND WE SEE AN INCREASE IN CHLOROPHYL A CONCENTRATION.

AND I MENTIONED COPPER AND FECAL BACTERIA AS WELL.

I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT NUTRIENTS, NOT ONLY DO THEY COME FROM EXTERNAL SOURCES? THAT'S WATERSHED RUNOFF, THINGS LIKE THAT. THEY ALSO ARE RELEASED FROM SEDIMENTS.

LEGACY SEDIMENTS THAT WE CALL THEM, THAT RELEASE NUTRIENTS FROM WITHIN THE STORMWATER POND, WITHIN THE LAKE ITSELF. SO, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE SOLIDS THAT FLOW IN WITH STORMWATER HAVE A HIGH TENDENCY TO DESORB NUTRIENTS, PHOSPHORUS AND NITROGEN. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I ALSO WANT TO MENTION IS THAT IN FRESHWATER SYSTEMS, WE'RE TYPICALLY MORE CONCERNED ABOUT PHOSPHORUS BECAUSE THERE'S A DIFFERENT SPECIES OF ALGAE THAT THAT PHOSPHORUS IS LIMITING FOR.

THAT TENDS TO GROW IN FRESHWATER SYSTEMS IN BRACKISH AND SALTWATER SYSTEMS. NITROGEN IS TYPICALLY OUR NUTRIENT, OUR LIMITING NUTRIENT.

SO WE HAVE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT STRATEGIES FOR CONTROLLING THOSE TWO NUTRIENTS DEPENDING ON WHAT OUR RECEIVING WATER IS.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TOOK TO HEART LAST TIME WE CAME AND PRESENTED THIS REPORT WAS THAT THERE'S A LOT OF DATA IN THIS INFORMATION, AS THE MAYOR KNOWS, LOOKING AROUND THAT GIANT BOOK OF DATA REPORTS.

SO WE'VE GOT 87,000 DATA POINTS. WE REALLY HAVE TO, TO BE WE HAVE TO BE VERY SPECIFIC ABOUT PRESENTING THE DATA THAT REALLY MATTERS, THE DATA THAT IS REALLY IMPACTFUL.

SO WHAT WE DID RELATIVE TO THE LAST TIME WE PRESENTED THIS IS WE'VE TAKEN THE DATA AND WE'VE CONDENSED IT INTO SOME SIMPLE PICTOGRAPHS.

AND THOSE, THESE ARE BASICALLY SYMBOLS THAT TELL YOU RIGHT AWAY JUST FROM LOOKING AT THEM, HOW THESE LAKES COMPARE IN WATER QUALITY TO THE OTHER LAKES, THE OTHER, THE OTHER WATER BODIES.

AND WE'VE TAKEN A LOOK AT THAT TO THOSE ARE ACTUALLY THE CULMINATION OF SOME PRETTY SOPHISTICATED MODELING THAT I'LL SHOW YOU IN A SECOND HERE.

SO YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THESE CHARTS IF YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF THE OLDER.

THE OLDER REPORTS THESE ARE THESE GRAPHS OVER HERE ON THE LEFT.

THOSE ARE TIME SERIES GRAPHS. THESE, THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE IS TALKING ABOUT PHOSPHORUS DATA.

SO THESE ARE PICTOGRAPHS STARTING ON THE LEFT SIDE OCTOBER 2024 AND CONTINUING TILL SEPTEMBER 2025 ON THE RIGHT SIDE.

AND THESE ARE THE DIFFERENT RECEIVING WATER BODIES THESE DIFFERENT GRAPHS HERE.

THE BARS ARE THE RAINFALL THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE DIFFERENT MONTHS.

SO THIS IS HOW MUCH RAINFALL WE HAD IN IN JUNE AND RAINFALL IS SHOWN ON THE RIGHT.

ONE THING I WANT TO POINT OUT IN THIS SLIDE, IF YOU LOOK AT TOTAL PHOSPHORUS IN DRAINING TO NAPLES BAY.

THIS PARTICULAR GRAPH RIGHT HERE, YOU SEE THIS YELLOW LINE THAT'S HIGHER THAN ALL THE OTHERS.

WELL, THAT TRANSLATES TO SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE CONSOLIDATED.

SO THIS OVER HERE IS A BAR GRAPH RIGHT. SO THIS IS THIS REPRESENTS ALL OF THE DATA THAT WE'VE COLLECTED.

WE OR OTHERS HAVE COLLECTED THIS THIS PERIOD OF RECORD DATA.

SO EVERY EVERY LAKE AND EVERY STATION IS SHOWN HERE IN THESE BAR GRAPHS FOR ALL THE DATA THAT WE HAVE.

AND AT THE BOTTOM, ZERO TOTAL PHOSPHORUS CONCENTRATIONS ON THE LEFT.

AND IT INCREASES GOING TO THE RIGHT UNTIL YOU SHOW A THREE RIGHT HERE.

WHAT'S INTERESTING, WHAT I LIKE YOU GUYS TO TO LOOK AT HERE IS THAT THIS YELLOW LINE THAT'S ABOVE EVERYTHING ELSE ALSO HAPPENS TO BE THE HIGHEST CONCENTRATION ON THIS BAR GRAPH TOO. SO THIS IS SOME OF THE SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE IN THE REPORT TO, TO GO THROUGH. IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT AN INDIVIDUAL PARAMETER OR AN INDIVIDUAL LAKE, YOU CAN LOOK AT THE DATA AND SEE EXACTLY WHERE THAT LAKE RANKS IN THE

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FORTUNATELY, IT'S NOT ALL YOU HAVE TO RELY ON IN THIS REPORT, BUT I WANTED TO SHOW WHAT GOES INTO BUILDING THESE PICTOGRAMS. SO THESE ARE THE PRIMARY PARAMETERS THAT WE LOOK AT HERE.

TOTAL PHOSPHORUS TOTAL NITROGEN ENTEROCOCCI. BECAUSE IT'S A MARINE IMPAIRMENT DOWNSTREAM WE HAVE COPPER AND CHLOROPHYL A.

SO THESE ARE THE STANDARD TIME SERIES GRAPHS.

THIS DATA GOES ALL THE WAY BACK TO 2015 HERE.

BUT THE THESE GRAPHS ON THE TOP ARE TIME SERIES GRAPHS.

THE DOTS ARE THE INDIVIDUAL DATA POINTS. AND THE LINE IS BASICALLY A GENERALIZED ADDITIVE MODEL THAT KIND OF TRACES THE PATH OR TRACES HOW THIS DATA HAS CHANGED OVER TIME. THE NEXT SET OF GRAPHS IS THE VARIABILITY.

THIS IS ESSENTIALLY A 95% CONFIDENCE INTERVAL THAT THE DATA THAT WE COLLECTED AT ANY GIVEN YEAR FALLS WITHIN THIS RANGE.

SO THESE LITTLE THESE LITTLE CAPS ON THE ON THE TOP AND BOTTOM OF THIS LINE IS THE 95TH PERCENTILE IS THE 95% CONFIDENCE INTERVAL. THE NEXT FIGURE IN THIS SLIDE ARE THESE BLACK BOXES.

SOME OF THEM ARE BLACK. MOST ARE BLACK. SOME OF THEM ARE GRAY. THE BLACK BOXES INDICATE THAT THE PARAMETER IS ABOVE THE RELEVANT DOWNSTREAM IMPAIRMENT CRITERIA. SO YOU SEE A LOT OF BLACK HERE, A COUPLE OF COUPLE OF GRAY BOXES WHICH INDICATES THAT IT'S ACTUALLY WITHIN THAT THAT THRESHOLD. SO NOT, NOT SUPER TERRIBLE, BUT NOT AS BAD OR NOT AS GOOD AS IT COULD BE IF IT WERE BELOW.

KEEP IN MIND THOUGH, THESE ARE DOWNSTREAM IMPAIRMENT THRESHOLDS AND WHAT WE USE AS GUIDES TO TELL US HOW WELL THE LAKE IS PERFORMING AS FAR AS WATER QUALITY TREATMENT ABILITY. THE FINAL GRAPH IN THIS SLIDE, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON HERE.

SO THE STRAIGHT LINE IN THE MIDDLE IS WHAT WE CALL THE ZERO SLOPE.

OKAY. SO ANYTHING ABOVE THIS THIS FLAT LINE HERE MEANS THAT THERE'S A POSITIVE SLOPE.

ANY LINE ANY CIRCLE BELOW IT MEANS THAT THERE'S A NEGATIVE SLOPE.

SO ANYTIME YOU SEE A BLUE THAT MEANS THERE WAS A DECREASE FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS.

ANYTIME YOU SEE A RED. THERE WAS AN INCREASE FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS.

SO WE LOOK AT THE WE LOOK AT WATER QUALITY DATA IN REALLY TERMS OF A FIVE YEAR MOVING AVERAGE RATHER THAN A SINGLE YEAR.

BECAUSE SINGLE YEARS AND STORMWATER PONDS ARE HIGHLY VARIABLE, WE HAVE TO BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT DRAWING ANY CONCLUSIONS FROM ONE YEAR TO THE NEXT.

SO WE WE LOOK AT A FIVE YEAR MOVING AVERAGE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A COUPLE OF BLUE CIRCLES IN HERE, WHICH IS GOOD. A COUPLE OF REDS, WHICH IS BAD.

ACTUALLY THERE'S MORE BLUE THAN REDS IN THIS ONE. AND THIS IS JUST THE EXAMPLE FOR LANTERN LAKE.

SO HOW DO WE SYNTHESIZE ALL THIS FANCY GRAPHICAL AND MODELING DATA.

SO THIS IS WHAT WE'VE PROVIDED IN THE IN THE REPORT UP ARROWS INDICATE BAD.

SO INDICATE INCREASING CONCENTRATIONS. IF THEY ARE DARK RED THAT MEANS THEY ARE ABOVE THE APPROPRIATE DOWNSTREAM THRESHOLD.

CIRCLES MEAN THAT THEY'RE NOT SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT FROM THE DOWNSTREAM CRITERIA.

IF THEY ARE DARK RED, THEY ARE ABOVE THE THRESHOLD, BUT THEY ARE NOT.

SORRY, CIRCLES MEAN THAT IF THEY'RE DARK RED, THAT MEANS THAT THEY'RE ABOVE THE THRESHOLD.

THEY'RE JUST NOT. THERE'S NO CHANGE. THERE'S NO INCREASING OR DECREASING TREND SQUARES.

SORRY, THE SQUARE IS IRRELEVANT HERE. IT'S REALLY THE COLOR THAT WE'RE POINTING OUT.

SO WE HAVE DARK RED, THE PINK AND THE WHITE. SO DARK RED MEANS IT'S SIGNIFICANTLY ABOVE THE THRESHOLD.

PINK MEANS IT'S NEAR THE THRESHOLD. AND THAT 90% CONFIDENCE INTERVAL INCLUDES THE THRESHOLD.

AND THEN A CLEAR WHITE BOX INDICATES THAT IT'S BELOW THE THRESHOLD.

THE NEXT ONE IS PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT SLIDE IN THE THE WHOLE PRESENTATION AND IN THE REPORT.

A COUPLE OF GOOD THINGS TO NOTE HERE. IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THESE PICTOGRAPHS, THERE'S ONLY TWO THAT HAVE AN INCREASING TREND.

ONLY TWO THAT ARE GOING UP, RIGHT. SO THAT'S THAT'S PRETTY GOOD NEWS.

AND THAT MEANS THAT WE'VE GOT SOME WORK TO DO IN NCH LAKE AND IN LAKE SUZANNE.

EVERYTHING THAT IS DARK RED, HOWEVER, IS JUST KIND OF HOLDING ITS POSITION ABOVE THAT DOWNSTREAM IMPAIRMENT THRESHOLD.

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DOWN THE ARROWS THAT ARE DOWN AND DARK RED MEAN THAT THERE'S SIGNIFICANT DECREASES, BUT IT'S STILL ABOVE THAT THRESHOLD.

AND THEN THE NAS SIMPLY MEAN THAT THERE'S NO DOWNSTREAM IMPAIRMENT THRESHOLD TO COMPARE THE THE DATA WITH.

WE'VE GOT A COUPLE, WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OF WHAT WE CALL A BUBBLE MAPS.

HEAT MAPS FOR ALL THE DATA THAT WE HAVE RELATIVE TO NITROGEN.

PHOSPHORUS. E COLI. AND I THINK COPPER WE'VE GOT IN HERE TOO.

SO ANYTHING THAT'S THE RED CIRCLES HERE ARE THE HIGHER CONCENTRATIONS.

THIS GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A GEOSPATIAL REFERENCE TO WHERE THE THE HOTTER LAKES ARE AND THE HOTTER, HOTTER PUMPS AS WELL. SO HIGHEST CONCENTRATION OF TOTAL NITROGEN FOR THE 2024 2025 MONITORING YEAR WAS THE PORT ROYAL PUMP, FOLLOWED BY WILLOW LAKE AND LANTERN LAKE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY INCREASE IN CONCENTRATIONS IN TOTAL NITROGEN, SO THAT'S GOOD. WE HAVE QUITE A FEW DECREASING CONCENTRATIONS IN TOTAL NITROGEN OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS.

TOTAL PHOSPHORUS KIND OF A SIMILAR STORY. BUT WE HAVE A COUPLE OF LAKES THAT DO HAVE INCREASING CONCENTRATIONS.

LIKE I MENTIONED EARLIER A COUPLE OF LAKES ARE ALSO EXHIBITING DECREASING CONCENTRATIONS THOUGH.

CHLOROPHYL A. WE HAVE NO SIGNIFICANT INCREASES, NO SIGNIFICANT DECREASES OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS.

HIGHEST CONCENTRATION IS NCH LAKE LAKE 17 AND LAKE SUZANNE.

COPPER. SAME STORY. NO SIGNIFICANT INCREASES OR DECREASES IN CONCENTRATION.

HIGHEST CONCENTRATION NCH LAKE. DEVIL'S LAKE AND HIDDEN LAKE.

E COLI. WE HAVE RELATIVELY HIGH CONCENTRATIONS IN LAKE LANTERN, LAKE AND LAKE 13.

NOW THERE ARE NO DOWNSTREAM IMPAIRMENTS FOR E COLI, THOUGH, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO.

WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT COMPARING THAT AGAINST AN IMPAIRMENT CRITERIA.

ENTEROCOCCI. THAT'S THE MARINE SPECIES DOWNSTREAM.

HIGHEST CONCENTRATION IS COVE PUMP THE PUBLIC WORKS PUMP AND LAKE 17.

NO INCREASING OR SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASING CONCENTRATIONS THERE EITHER.

THIS GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF HOW MANY OF OUR SAMPLES EXCEED THE DOWNSTREAM IMPAIRMENT CRITERIA.

ALL THE BOXES IN YELLOW ARE FOR ARE BASICALLY CONTRIBUTING TO DOWNSTREAM WATER BODIES THAT ARE IMPAIRED.

AND THIS BASICALLY JUST TELLS US THAT, OKAY, WELL, THESE LAKES ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THE IMPAIRMENT.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING WHERE I THINK IT'S IT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT KIND OF SETS THE SETS THE TONE FOR WHICH LAKES AND WHERE WE NEED TO FOCUS THE RESOURCES ON, ON MANAGING THE WATER QUALITY AND MANAGING THE ABILITY OF THESE STORMWATER PONDS TO CONTINUE TO REMOVE NUTRIENTS AND OTHER CONTAMINANTS MORE EFFICIENTLY.

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OR SOME DATA FROM THE EAST LAKE PROJECT.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS BLUE LINE AND BLUE DASHED LINE AFTER END OF 2021 IS QUITE A BIT LOWER THAN THE RED DASHED LINE. SO THIS WOULD THIS WAS WHEN THE THE PROJECT CAME ONLINE.

A MEDIAN CONCENTRATIONS FOR TOTAL PHOSPHORUS 0.046MG/L AFTER THE PROJECT VERSUS MEDIAN CONCENTRATIONS OF 0.074 BEFORE THE PROJECT, SO SEEMS TO HAVE HAD SOME. SOME IMPACT ON A TOTAL PHOSPHORUS CONCENTRATION IN IN EAST LAKE.

IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HELP THESE THESE HIGH PEAKS.

THOSE ARE TYPICALLY GOING TO BE RAINFALL DEPENDENT.

SO WE HAVE SIGNIFICANT RAIN EVENTS. THAT'S STILL GOING TO PEAK. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOWER THE DATA TENDS TO HANG OUT HERE AT A LOWER LEVEL VERSUS PRE PRE PROJECT CONSTRUCTION. THERE'S A PHOTO OF THE EAST LAKE PROJECT IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THAT BEFORE.

SO SUMMARY OF THE CITY'S MOST RECENT LAKE MANAGEMENT PROJECTS AND IS REFINING A PLAN FOR LAKE RESTORATION.

COOPERATIVE WITH THE CITY. NORTH AND SOUTH LAKE WERE DREDGED IN 2025.

LAKE SUZANNE, WHICH IS ONE OF OUR PRIORITY LAKES, HAS A 100% DESIGN PLANS WITH THE NEXT STEP BEING TO LET AN RFP FOR THAT PARTICULAR

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AND THEN EARLIER THIS YEAR, LAKE MANDARIN HAD A AN OVERGROWTH OF EXOTIC VEGETATION THAT THE CITY HANDLED SOME MECHANICAL HARVESTING FOR.

SO IN TERMS OF OVERALL RANKING, WHAT WE DID WAS LOOK AT THE LAKES THAT HAVE ALREADY HAD RETROFIT PROJECTS OR RESTORATION PROJECTS IMPLEMENTED ON THEM. SO WE TOOK THOSE OFF THE LIST.

ALL THOSE ARE N A, AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE THAT REMAINS WAS RANKED BY WHERE THEY FELL IN THE WATER QUALITY RANKING SYSTEM.

SO MANDARIN LAKE LANTERN LAKE CAME IN AS NUMBER ONE.

MANDARIN LAKE CAME IN AS NUMBER TWO IN LAKE SUZANNE CAME IN AT NUMBER THREE AND THAT WAS, THAT'S THE ONE WE ALREADY HAVE A, AN RFP READY TO GO OUT. SO IN SUMMARY TOTAL PHOSPHORUS WAS THE ONLY ANALYTE THAT HAD A DOWNSTREAM IMPAIRMENT. THAT HAD INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS.

WE KNOW THAT NCH LAKE, LAKE SUZANNE AND LOUDERMILK LAKE ALL DID SHOW INCREASING TOTAL PHOSPHORUS OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS. AND WE HAVE THAT WE KNOW THAT LESS THAN HALF OF THE STORMWATER LAKES HAD TOTAL PHOSPHORUS CONCENTRATIONS THAT WERE SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THE DOWNSTREAM TARGET. SO MOST OF THEM FELL WITHIN THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT DIFFERENT THAN THE DOWNSTREAM TARGET.

EIGHT OF THE 12 OR 8 OF THE 22 STORMWATER LAKES EXHIBITED DECREASING TOTAL NITROGEN CONCENTRATIONS OVER THE FIVE YEARS.

SO THAT'S GOOD NEWS. ONLY FIVE OF THE STORMWATER LAKES HAD TOTAL NITROGEN CONCENTRATIONS THAT WERE NEAR THE DOWNSTREAM TARGET, BUT THE REST WERE SIGNIFICANTLY GREATER THAN THE TARGET, WHICH MEANS THAT NITROGEN HAS GOT SOME.

WE GOT SOME WORK TO DO FOR FOR NITROGEN ON A NUMBER OF THESE LAKES.

NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES IN CHLOROPHYL A, WHICH IS ALSO VERY SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE WE KNOW IF NUTRIENTS ARE COMING IN AT A GREATER OR INCREASING AMOUNT, WE WOULD EXPECT TO SEE AN INCREASE IN CHLOROPHYL A CONCENTRATION, BUT WE DON'T SEE THAT NECESSARILY. SO THAT'S GOOD NEWS.

NO SIGNIFICANT INCREASES OR DECREASES IN COPPER OR ENTEROCOCCI ALSO.

BUT MANY OF THESE LAKES WERE STILL ELEVATED ABOVE THAT DOWNSTREAM THRESHOLD.

SO EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE NOT INCREASING OR DECREASING, THEY'RE JUST KIND OF HANGING OUT ABOVE THAT THRESHOLD.

SO WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY CONTINUE MONITORING THE STORMWATER LAKES.

THE DATA SET THAT YOU GUYS HAVE IS INVALUABLE.

IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST IN THE STATE, PARTICULARLY FOR STORMWATER PONDS, STORMWATER LAKES.

I CONTINUE TO WORK ON FOCUS STUDIES FOR PRIORITY WATER BODIES.

LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, WHERE THAT SEDIMENT IS COMING FROM, WHERE IT'S ACCUMULATED, HOW YOU CAN MANAGE IT.

YOU KNOW, ARE THERE HOTSPOTS? AND THEN LOOKING AT THE THE ALGAE POTENTIALLY DOING SOME SOME SPECIES ANALYSIS BIOVOLUME TRYING TO SEE HOW MUCH AND WHAT SPECIES OF ALGAE ARE LIVING IN THESE PONDS. THEN WE HAVE IMPLEMENTATION OF STRUCTURAL BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES, WHICH YOU GUYS ARE ALL FAMILIAR WITH. AND THEN OF COURSE PUBLIC OUTREACH.

SO SOME OF THE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT TECHNOLOGIES I'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT ARE LAKE DREDGING.

YOU KNOW, THE CITY HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT FOR FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.

CAPPING IS AN OPTION. YOU CAN ACTUALLY PUT SAND DOWN ON TOP OF SEDIMENT THAT IS EXPORTING OR RELEASING NUTRIENTS.

WE ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO PUT IN STORMWATER RETROFIT BMPS LIKE RAIN GARDENS BAFFLE BOXES, MEDIA FILTERS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TYPICAL INNOVATIVE BMP TYPE STORMWATER PROJECTS FOR AREAS WHERE WE HAVE RELATIVELY LOW SPACE, LITTLE SPACE. AND THAT'S ALWAYS THE CHALLENGE FOR THESE TYPES OF PONDS, RIGHT? AND OF COURSE, CONTINUING THE OUTREACH AND EDUCATION LIMITING FERTILIZER USE, LIMITING APPLICATION DURING RAINY SEASON TRYING NOT TO PUT FERTILIZER ON IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AND OF COURSE, LANDSCAPING CHOICE AND HOPEFULLY REDUCTION OF COPPER BASED ALGAECIDES. AND WITH THAT, I'LL LEAVE IT WITH ANY QUESTIONS.

I'M IMPRESSED. BUT YOU MUST HAVE LEARNED ALL OF THAT FROM YOUR PARENTS AND FROM FSU, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET OUR HANDLE ON THIS AND I KNOW THIS IS, YOU KNOW, JUST THIS YEAR, BUT HAS ANY OF THE PAST TESTING BEEN HELPFUL OR USEFUL OR HAVE YOU EVEN USED IT

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YEAH, THAT'S ALL BEEN PART OF THIS THIS SYSTEM.

SO FROM BACK TO FROM BACK TO 2005, IS IT? I THINK THE DATA GOES BACK TO 2010, 2010, 2010, BUT THE 2015 TIME FRAME IS WHAT WE USE FOR WHEN IT WAS CONSISTENTLY DONE RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S THE KEY THAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.

SO 2010 IS WHEN WE STARTED THE CONSISTENCY OF TESTING.

WELL, 2015 WAS 15. EXCUSE ME. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

EXCELLENT. BUT WOW, A LOT OF INFORMATION. THANK YOU.

I'LL HAVE VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU. YES. LOTS OF GOOD INFORMATION.

THANKS FOR THE UPDATES. JUST A FEW QUESTIONS.

SO LOOKING AT SOME OF THE SLIDES, IT LOOKS LIKE LANTERN LAKE IS NOW THE NUMBER ONE RANKED LAKE THAT NEEDS IMPROVEMENT.

AND I DON'T RECALL THAT BEING HIGH WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS A FEW YEARS AGO.

SO IT'S NICE TO SEE A LOT OF THE ONES THAT WERE HIGH NO LONGER ARE BECAUSE WE DREDGED THEM AND MADE CHANGES AND TREATED THEM.

SO SOMETHING'S WORKING. BUT I DON'T REMEMBER LANTERN LIKE BEING THAT HIGH.

BUT ON SLIDE 23, IT'S RANKED NUMBER ONE. SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF REASONS FOR THAT.

WE, WE HAVE NOT HISTORICALLY RANKED THESE LAKES BASED ON THE NUMBER OF DOWNSTREAM IMPAIRMENTS.

OKAY. SO LANTERN LAKE, SO THE RECEIVING WATER FOR LANTERN LAKE, ALL FIVE OF THOSE IMPAIRMENTS ARE SHOW UP ON THAT LIST AS BEING EXCEEDED.

SO THAT'S WHY LANTERN LAKE IN PARTICULAR WOULD HAVE THE MOST IMPACT FOR DOWNSTREAM WATER QUALITY.

SO MY QUESTION IS SHOULD WE REPRIORITIZE IT IN TERMS OF CLEANUP ABOVE WHAT WAS NEXT, FOREST LAKE AND DEVILS LAKE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE SHOULD RELOOK AT IT AND CONSIDER IF IT'S SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH.

IT SHOULD BE MOVED UP THE LIST BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T ACTUALLY LET THE CONTRACTS ON THOSE OTHER TWO.

HAVE WE? SO. I'M SORRY. SO I WAS WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT HIM DOING THE SAME ANALYSIS AND WE HAD PRELIMINARY ESTIMATES FOR IT WHEN IT CAME BACK THAT IT WAS, I THINK AN AGGREGATE OF 10 MILLION.

THEN SUZANNE'S THE ONLY ONE THAT WE'VE DONE FULL DESIGN ON.

SO YEAH, I MEAN, I DO THINK IT WARRANTS THE QUESTION.

I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW THOUGH, FOR EXAMPLE, I MEAN, LEONARD LAKE IS NOW NUMBER ONE.

AND ON WHAT BASIS WAS DO YOU KNOW OR DOES STAFF KNOW HOW IT WAS DETERMINED THAT DEVIL'S LAKE AND FOREST LAKE WERE THE NEXT ON THE LIST WHEN IT CAME TO IMPAIRED WATER BODIES BEFORE, AS OPPOSED TO THE ANALYSIS THAT IS DONE THIS TIME BASED ON DOWNSTREAM COMPARISONS.

I GUESS I JUST WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND IF YOU KNEW HOW THEY RANKED BEFORE.

FROM GOING FROM MEMORY, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THE ORIGINAL RANKING CAME FROM THE UPDATED STORMWATER MASTER PLAN.

AND SO THOSE WERE, THERE WAS A HIERARCHY ESTABLISHED AT THAT POINT.

AND THEN THE IDEA WAS JUST TO WORK THROUGH EACH ONE.

AND SO THIS IS KIND OF NOT NEW, BUT THE ORIGINAL RANKING, MY UNDERSTANDING IS FROM THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN, BUT NOT NECESSARILY GEARED TOWARD WATER QUALITY IN ITS RANKING.

THERE WAS A WATER QUALITY COMPONENT THAT I RECALL THAT WENT INTO THAT.

I THINK AT SOME POINT IT BEGS THE QUESTION BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS SLIDE.

YEAH, I THINK IF I RECALL RIGHT, IT WAS LIKE FIVE, 4 OR 5, SIX YEARS AGO.

WE STARTED THIS WITH WHAT YOU SAID, THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN AND ALL THE TESTING OF ALL THE LAKES.

AND I THINK THE 5 OR 6 TOP ONES HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.

SO NOW MAYBE IT'S TIME TO COME BACK AND RELOOK AT THE LIST AND SEE ARE WE DO WE NEED TO MAKE CHANGES OR NOT? AND AS YOU KNOW, EVEN ON DEVIL'S LAKE, WE JUST STARTED DOING A DIFFERENT APPLICATION THERE.

BUT WHEN IT COMES IN AT 14 NOW AGAIN, DEVILS LAKE IS STILL SCHEDULED OUT, I THINK FOR YEARS BASED ON EVERY OTHER YEAR.

BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT IT WARRANTS HAVING THAT THAT DEEP CONVERSATION BEFORE WE AWARD THE NEXT CONTRACT.

OH, YEAH. BECAUSE ANOTHER QUESTION WAS, AS I RECALL, SWAN LAKE WAS ORIGINALLY NUMBER ONE WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS.

NOW IT'S WAY DOWN THE LIST AND IT'S AT LEAST ON THE SURFACE, NO PUN INTENDED.

IT SEEMS LIKE THE TREATMENTS THERE ARE WORKING, AND NOW WE'RE TRYING TO USE THAT TREATMENT AT DEVILS LAKE, SO MAYBE WE SHOULD HOLD OFF ON DOING ANY DREDGING OR WORK AT DEVILS LAKE UNTIL WE SEE IF IT WORKS THERE, AS WELL AS PART OF THAT EXTENDED PILOT. YEAH, WELL, THE GOOD THING IS, IS DEVILS LAKE WAS NOT EVEN SCHEDULED TO GO TO DESIGN FOR THREE

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AND THEN, AS YOU INDICATED, MAKE A DECISION, A BETTER DECISION.

THEN IT'S FROM 20. DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT? I WAS GOING TO BACK UP HERE TO DEVIL'S LAKE, SO YEAH, I MEAN, WE'VE STILL GOT A NITROGEN CONCENTRATION THAT'S ABOVE THE DOWNSTREAM LIMIT FOR FOR DEVILS LAKE. AND IT ALSO DOESN'T HAVE THE THREE OTHER DOWNSTREAM IMPAIRMENT CRITERIA.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE, IF NITROGEN IS YOUR PRIMARY TARGET HERE, IT DOES RANK.

IF WE WERE JUST LOOKING AT NITROGEN, IT MIGHT RANK HIGHER UP ON THE LIST. WE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING CUMULATIVELY.

WELL, THAT WAS WHAT I WAS GETTING AT IS WHAT WAS THE CRITERIA FOR HOW THEY WERE SCORED THE FIRST TIME VERSUS HOW THEY, HOW, HOW YOU'RE RANKING THEM AND THEN DELINEATE BETWEEN THE TWO AND THEN MAKE A DECISION.

SO YEAH, YEAH, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT WE MAKE A CHANGE TODAY, BUT JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, STAFF COULD HOPEFULLY USE THIS DATA AND THE OTHER INFORMATION YOU HAVE AND CONSIDER IF CHANGES ARE NEEDED. UNDERSTOOD.

SINCE WE HAVE LIMITED DOLLARS. YEAH. UNDERSTOOD.

DISBAND AND MANDARIN LAKE. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S NUMBER TWO, BUT YOU JUST WENT THROUGH AND CLEANED IT UP AND GOT RID OF A LOT OF THE EXOTICS.

AND I FORGET SOMETHING WAS IN THE LAKE VEGETATION INSIDE THE LAKE THAT YOU REMOVED.

SO THAT MAY HELP IT SIGNIFICANTLY AND GIVE IT TIME TO SEE IF THAT BRINGS IT DOWN THE PRIORITY LIST OR NOT.

SO SEPARATE QUESTION. SO SWAN LAKE, I THINK 2 OR 3 YEARS AGO, WE DECIDED WE WERE GOING TO DO INLET TESTING TO SEE WHERE THE POLLUTION WAS COMING FROM.

IS THAT PART OF THIS ANALYSIS OR IS THAT SOMETHING ELSE THAT WE'LL GET TO IN A FUTURE MEETING? THERE WERE LIKE 8 OR 10 INLETS. WE WERE GOING TO BE TESTING TO SEE WHERE THE POLLUTION WAS COMING FROM THAT THAT WAS A PART OF THE ORIGINAL PILOT STUDY THAT CONCLUDED.

SO ALL OF THAT TESTING WAS EMBEDDED IN THAT REPORT AND IS SEPARATE FROM THIS TESTING.

OKAY. COULD I GET A COPY? I THINK I'VE PROBABLY HAPPENED WHEN I WASN'T HERE.

THE RESULTS. THANK YOU. LOUDERMILK LAKE. TESTED HIGH ON ONE OF THE SLIDES I SAW. AND THAT'S IN OUR PARK.

SO THAT'S UP TO US. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT DATA HAS BEEN SHARED WITH OUR PARKS DEPARTMENT.

WHAT THEY CAN DO DIFFERENTLY SO THAT THOSE RESULTS HAVE BEEN SHARED WITH OUR STORMWATER CREW, OUR UTILITIES, CREW AND COMMUNITY SERVICES SINCE IT IS ON A CITY PARK.

BUT IT WAS HIGHLY IMPACTED LIKE EVERY OTHER STORMWATER POND BY THE HURRICANES.

AND THE BUILDUP OF SAND IN THAT HAS REALLY LIMITED THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THAT POND.

AND ALSO THE BACKFLOW PREVENTERS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT ON, IT'S ALSO TIDALLY INFLUENCED, WHICH COMPROMISES THE ABILITY TO HOLD, RETAIN AND TREAT WATER. SO SO THIS DATA HAS BEEN RELAYED TO STAFF FOR THAT REASON.

OKAY, GREAT. SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THEY CAN DO WITH HOW THE GRASS IS BEING FERTILIZED OR MOWED OR WHATEVER TO MANAGE IT DIFFERENTLY. ANECDOTALLY, WHEN I RUN BY THE PARK, I OFTEN SEE GRASS CUT GRASS FLOATING IN THE LAKE, WHICH PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE THERE. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S JUST, THAT'S JUST A SAMPLE OF ONE, I DON'T KNOW.

SOMEBODY ELSE MAY SEE DIFFERENTLY. OKAY. AND THIS, THIS REPORT DOESN'T CONSIDER THE GORDON RIVER OR NAPLES BAY. TESTING.

THIS IS ONLY THE LAKES. SO THIS IS JUST THE LAKES.

AND NEXT MONTH YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A WHOLE SEPARATE PRESENTATION ON THE ESTUARINE WATER QUALITY.

AWESOME. THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING FOR. TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THE RIVER AND THE BAY.

BESIDES, THIS OBVIOUSLY FEEDS INTO IT, BUT WE ALL KNOW THERE'S OTHER SOURCES THAT CONTRIBUTE TO THOSE ISSUES TOO.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. SPEAK ABOUT WATERSHED.

SEEMS LIKE THE NAPLES BAY WATERSHED IS YOU LOOK AT THE DATA, IT'S ALL.

EVERYTHING'S LOOKING GOOD. SO IT'S KIND OF A FORESHADOWING WHAT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO SEE FROM THAT NEXT REPORT.

IS THERE ANY TESTING AS FAR AS FOREVER CHEMICALS OR ROUNDUP OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? BECAUSE I GREW UP, WE HAD FISH IN OUR LAKES AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

BUT I DON'T REALLY SEE MUCH LIFE IN THESE LAKES.

SO I MEAN, I'M JUST WONDERING, THOSE HAVE NOT BEEN PART OF OUR SUITE OF ANALYTES.

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AND WE SHOULD BE LOOKING INTO THIS. AS FAR AS THE TOXIN, IS THERE ANY CUMULATIVE TOXIN REPORTS THAT COMBINING WHERE YOU COULD SEE IT MORE FROM A CUMULATIVE BASIS VERSUS JUST, YOU KNOW, THE DAILY SPIKES AND ALL THAT? NO, I MEAN, THE, THERE ARE SOME, SOME INSTANCES WHERE WE WOULD DO THAT IF WE'RE LOOKING AT SEDIMENT CHEMISTRY, WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF EXCEEDANCES OF HEAVY METALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT IN AQUATIC IN THE WATER COLUMN, YOU TYPICALLY DON'T HAVE YOU DON'T HAVE THE, THE HEAVY TOXIC OR THE CONCENTRATED TOXIC COMPOUNDS, TOXIC ANALYTES THAT, THAT WOULD HAVE THAT CUMULATIVE ANALYSIS REQUIREMENT.

I MEAN, DO LAKES THAT HAVE THE, WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE TOP PROBLEMS TODAY, DO THEY HAVE LIKE IRRIGATION IN THEM, THOSE LAKES? ARE THEY ACTIVELY BEING IS THERE IRRIGATION SYSTEMS IN THERE.

YOU MEAN THE BUBBLERS? YOU KNOW THE. OH, YEAH.

AERATION. YEAH. OH. THE LAKES THAT WE'RE MONITORING.

OH, YEAH. LIKE LANTERN LAKE IS. OH, YEAH. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THESE LAKES HAVE AERATION SYSTEMS. YEAH, QUITE A FEW OF THEM DO. OKAY. OKAY. BECAUSE SMALLER LAKES THAT REALLY IS OUT OF DO WE TEST FOR DISSOLVED OXYGEN? WE DO. EVERY, EVERY TIME THAT MARINE LIFE AND ALL THAT IS DEPENDENT ON THAT.

SO I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE TOXINS KILL THAT. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE NO LIFE IN THE LAKE.

SO. HOW BAD IS IT. JUST OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD OR DO YOU.

WELL, I COULD TALK FOR AN HOUR ABOUT THE CONCENTRATIONS AND DIURNAL SWINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT GENERALLY WHEN WE'RE OUT THERE SAMPLING, SUN'S OUT.

ALGAE IS HAPPY. IT'S CREATING DISSOLVED. IT'S CREATING OXYGEN, RIGHT? IT'S PRODUCING OXYGEN. SO TYPICALLY, EVEN IN IMPACTED SYSTEMS WHERE WE HAVE LOTS OF ALGAE.

DISSOLVED OXYGEN IS NORMALLY IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE WHEN THE SUN IS OUT.

THE PROBLEM HAPPENS AT NIGHT WHEN THOSE ALGAE CONSUME OXYGEN THROUGH RESPIRATION, AND BY THE TIME THE SUN COMES UP, THE WATER, THE DISSOLVED OXYGEN IN THE WATER CRASHES.

AND THAT'S THAT CAN BE ASSOCIATED WITH FISH KILLS.

AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF MISCONCEPTION ABOUT HOW DISSOLVED OXYGEN AND CHLOROPHYL A AND ALGAE PLAY TOGETHER.

BUT GENERALLY IF YOU HAVE A SYSTEM WITH HIGH CHLOROPHYL A CONCENTRATIONS, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE HIGH DISSOLVED OXYGEN CONCENTRATIONS AT NIGHT.

LOW DISSOLVED OXYGEN CONCENTRATIONS, SORRY, HIGH DISSOLVED OXYGEN CONCENTRATIONS DURING THE DAY.

LOW DISSOLVED OXYGEN CONCENTRATIONS IN THE MORNING BEFORE SUNRISE.

AND AERATION SYSTEMS CAN HELP THAT. BUT THEY CAN ALSO CONFOUND ALGAL GROWTH BECAUSE YOU ESSENTIALLY TURN THAT POND INTO A BIOREACTOR.

YOU'RE RECYCLING THAT WATER AND SPINNING IT AROUND SO IT CAN HAVE THE OPPOSITE IMPACT THAT YOU WANT IF IN SOME CASES.

BUT IT DOES HELP WITH FISH KILLS AND FILAMENTOUS ALGAE FOR MOSQUITO CONTROL.

DO THEY HAVE THOSE MOSQUITO CONTROL FISH IN ANY OF THESE LAKES OR ARE THEY UTILIZING THAT. IS THAT AN IDEA THAT, YOU KNOW, USING MORE ORGANIC METHODS? YOU KNOW, IN THE LAKES.

YEAH. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE, WHAT THE CITY'S WHAT THE CITY DOES FOR THAT, BUT I THINK A COUPLE OF COUNTIES HAVE MOSQUITO FISH GIVEAWAYS.

SO YEAH, YOU'RE BETTER OFF WITH BIOLOGICAL CONTROLS IF YOU CAN VERSUS CHEMICAL.

YEAH. I KNOW WE COUNCIL PASSED AN ENGINEERING FIRM TO DO A DELINEATION OF, OF OUR WATERSHEDS TO SEE HOW THEY OVERLAP INTO THE COUNTY. ET CETERA. AND ALL THAT, WHICH I'M, I'M EXCITED TO SEE THAT INFORMATION.

BUT SOURCES OF POLLUTION. AND THE IMPACT OF THE CROSS BORDER DEVELOPMENT.

I MEAN, I DON'T SEE TOO MANY RAIN GARDENS AT THE MARRIOTT, YOU KNOW, OUT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT I DON'T SEE ANY GREEN OR, OR WHATEVER HAPPENED TO RETENTION POND.

I'M NOT SEEING ANY OF THIS. AND THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE LIKE OUR NEIGHBORS BASICALLY, YOU KNOW, RUBBING AGAINST US. SO WHAT'S YOUR FEELING ON THE IMPACT OF THAT ON OUR LAKE QUALITY? BECAUSE WE'RE THINKING ABOUT SOURCES, YOU KNOW.

YES, SIR. YEAH. THERE IS A NEW STORMWATER RULE THAT I THINK WILL HELP THAT THERE'S A LOT OF OLDER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT MAY NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT TREATMENT THAT WOULD BENEFIT FROM RETROFITS. HOWEVER YOU KNOW, ANYTHING ON THE PRIVATE SIDE IS VERY DIFFICULT TO TO DO ANYTHING LIKE THAT WITH.

I MEAN, THERE'S PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, BUT YEAH, GETTING, GETTING THE PRIVATE SIDE TO COME TO THE TABLE AND TALK ABOUT THAT, I THINK IS KEY AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME THINGS GOING ON AND IT'S BEEN TRENDING MORE LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IT REALLY BOTHERS THE HELL OUT OF ME.

BUT IT'S ARTIFICIAL TURF. I MEAN, THAT PEOPLE ARE PUTTING IN THEIR YARDS.

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YOU HAVE A OPINION ON THAT OR IS IT JUST ME? YEAH.

YEAH. I MEAN, ANYTIME YOU CAN PRESERVE THE NATURAL CONDITION, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE BETTER OFF.

THERE PROBABLY ARE INSTANCES WHERE SOMETHING LIKE AN ARTIFICIAL TURF COULD BE A BENEFIT, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE SOME, YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE SOME CLEAR DOCUMENTATION THAT YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THERE IS CONTRIBUTING DOWNSTREAM LOADING AND IS A PROBLEM.

SO. THIS WHOLE THING WITH LEGACY SEDIMENTS AND ALL THAT.

WHAT'S YOUR OPINION ON DREDGING AS A SOLUTION? I MEAN, IS IT IS IT COULD CAUSE IT COULD BE HELPFUL.

IT COULD BE BAD, REALLY BAD. SO, SO HOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S YOUR FEELING ON THAT AND HOW TO APPROACH THAT? SO YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE DOING PROPER SEDIMENT CORE ANALYSIS.

SO COLLECTING CORES IS ONE OF THE MOST CRITICAL PARTS OF DREDGE PROJECT.

RIGHT. YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT YOU'RE TAKING OUT ISN'T GOING TO EXPOSE SOMETHING THAT'S EVEN WORSE UNDERNEATH IT.

AND WE'RE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT THAT WHEN WE DO, AS LONG AS YOU'RE CAREFUL ABOUT UNDERSTANDING WHAT YOU'LL BE EXPOSING.

I THINK IT'S A GOOD SOLUTION. AND THE OBJECTIVE REALLY IS TO GET DOWN TO MINERAL SAND, RIGHT? SO WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IS EXPOSE SOMETHING LIKE A PHOSPHATIC CLAY OR JUST REMOVE, YOU KNOW, ONE MUCKY LAYER FOR ANOTHER MUCKY LAYER. SO AND WE ALSO HAVE TO BE CAREFUL THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS, A. HUMAN IMPACT MUCK DOWN THERE, RIGHT.

SO PETE, WHATEVER. THAT'S USUALLY FAIRLY LOW IN NUTRIENT CONCENTRATION.

SO YOU CAN HAVE, YOU CAN DESIGN A PROJECT THAT REMOVES SOME OF THAT MORE CONCENTRATED NUTRIENT WE CALL ANTHROPOGENIC SEDIMENT.

AND IT LEAVES BEHIND THE LESS CONCENTRATED NATURAL ORGANIC SEDIMENT.

SO YEAH. AND THE CITY HAS MADE EFFORT WITH THE STREET SWEEPERS AND ALL THAT TO KEEP SEDIMENT FROM GOING INTO OUR, OUR WATER SYSTEM AND OUT IN THE CANALS AND LAKES AND BAYS AND ALL THAT.

BUT A LOT OF I DON'T KNOW WHAT LEVEL OF ENFORCEMENT WE EVEN HAVE.

MAYBE WE SHOULD LOOK INTO THAT WHERE IF YOU SEE FLOATING GRASS IN THE WATER, LIKE COUNCIL MEMBER SAID, I MEAN, I'M JUST THAT'S A CONCERN OF ME, YOU KNOW? BLANKENSHIP SAID SO. SO I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S SOMETHING WHERE CODE ENFORCEMENT CAN GET INVOLVED THAT THAT'S SOMETHING MAYBE TO LOOK INTO FOR, FOR THE CITY, BUT THAT HAS A PRETTY BAD EFFECT FOR SUCH A SIMPLE FIX.

YES, SIR. YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT OR. OH, YEAH.

ANY TIME YOU CAN PREVENT INPUTS OF ORGANIC MATERIAL INTO A WATER BODY IS GOING TO BE TYPICALLY GOOD BECAUSE SOME OF THESE LAKES AREN'T THAT BIG. AND YOU KNOW, YOU START BLOWING DEBRIS IN THERE EVERY ONCE A WEEK.

IT'S DEVASTATING, YOU KNOW. IS THAT NOT SOMETHING WE COULD ADD TO THE BID PROCESS OR TO THE CONTRACTS? I MEAN, THAT SPECIFIC WAYS OF MAINTAINING THAT REQUIREMENT THAT THEY DON'T FLOW, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, MOW, BLOW AND GO, I MEAN, YOU CAN ADD THEM TO YOUR OWN.

I MEAN, FIRST OF ALL, WE CAN. CODE ENFORCEMENT IS GOING TO DO NO GOOD AS IT PERTAINS TO LOUDERMILK.

WE HAVE TO PUT THEM IN OUR OWN CONTRACTS. BUT THESE LAKES ARE ALSO SURROUNDED BY HOMEOWNERS.

AND SO WE HAVE OTHER THAN THAN CODE ENFORCEMENT OR SOMEBODY OPERATING THERE, BUT WE DON'T WALK AROUND.

AND SO I'M ONLY LETTING YOU KNOW FROM THE STANDPOINT YOU ASK, CAN WE PUT IT IN A CONTRACT? IF IT'S OUR CONTRACT AND IT'S OUR WORK? YES WE CAN. RIGHT. YES, MA'AM. BUT OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTRACTS, WE CAN'T.

MAYBE SOME THINGS LIKE THAT. SPECIFICS TO THAT WOULD BE BENEFIT TO US.

AND THEN I THINK THAT PIECE COMES EDUCATION, WHERE OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO BE STRONGER IN GETTING OUT AND OUTREACH AND EDUCATING THESE.

YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO DELINEATE, I AGREE. YES.

THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. COUNCIL MEMBER. YEAH. I MEAN, I HEARD I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT.

AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE TESTING DATA OF THE BAY. BUT WE HAVE ONE OF THE HIGHEST COPPER CONTENTS IN THE STATE IN OUR BAY.

AND OUR OYSTERS ARE BLUE BECAUSE OF IT AND ALL THAT.

IS THAT YOU. IS THAT TRUE? IS THAT. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THAT.

BUT YEAH, I KNOW THAT THERE THERE ARE SOME INSTANCES IN SOME OF THE CITY STORMWATER LAKES WHERE THERE'S SOME ELEVATED COPPER CONCENTRATION.

AND YOU MENTIONED BOATS, BUT COULD THAT BE REALLY MORE FROM COMMERCIAL? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. YEAH. COMMERCIAL FARMING AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

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THAT'S PROBABLY MY SUSPICION. THAT'S PROBABLY MORE WHERE IT'S COMING FROM.

BUT, BUT LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING MORE DATA ON THAT.

BUT YEAH, I, I APPLAUD YOUR EFFORTS. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME.

AND EVERYBODY HERE, THE ENVIRONMENT IS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT.

LOOK FORWARD TO THE DAY WHERE, YOU KNOW, LAKES HAVE FROGS AND FISH BACK IN THEM, YOU KNOW, SO ANYWAY YIELD BACK HERE. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER.

YEAH, I, I WANT TO TAG ON TO THE ARTIFICIAL TURF THING.

I DON'T CARE WHO WANTS TO PUT IT WHEREVER, BECAUSE I WAS. I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THAT FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. WE WERE ONE OF THE FIRST TO PUT IN AT NAPLES HIGH, AND I WAS TOTALLY AGAINST IT. I MEAN, ABSOLUTELY LOVED GRASS. HAVING SAID THAT, ONE OF THE.

FACTORS THAT MOVED ME WAS THAT WE WERE TOLD WITH OUR SUBSURFACE.

AND THE WAY IT WAS DRAINING THAT THAT WE WOULD IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE ALL THE FERTILIZER.

LIKE WE WERE SPENDING A THOUSAND OUT OF MY FOOTBALL BUDGET, $1,000 A MONTH, WHOLESALE FERTILIZER COSTS TO KEEP THAT THING PLAYABLE YEAR ROUND.

AND SO I HAVE THE EXACT OPPOSITE VIEW ON IT BASED ON THAT.

NOW, IF THAT'S WRONG, SOMEBODY FIXED ME. DID THEY LIE TO ME ABOUT THAT OR IS THAT A POSSIBILITY? IT DEFINITELY WILL CUT DOWN ON THE NEED FOR FERTILIZER APPLICATION AND AND ALSO THE SUBSURFACE REALLY, REALLY MATTERS, RIGHT? YEAH. AND SO THERE'S, THERE'S DIFFERENT SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT WHEN IT COMES TO WHETHER TURF GRASS IS ABSORBING IS A NET SINK OR A NET SOURCE OF NUTRIENTS, AND IT DEPENDS ON HOW IT'S MANAGED, I THINK. BUT YEAH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF REPLACING TURF GRASS THAT HAS HAD THAT KIND OF A NEED TO MAINTAIN, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY DOES IT CONTRIBUTE, YOU KNOW, SURFACE WATER LOADING IS ONE THING, GROUNDWATER LOADING IS ANOTHER. AND THAT GROUNDWATER WILL EVENTUALLY COME OUT IN THE SURFACE AS WELL. SO, YOU KNOW, ODDS ARE YOU'RE PROBABLY BETTER OFF IN THE NET FOR ASTROTURF.

OKAY. IN THAT SITUATION. THANKS. BECAUSE I'M GETTING FIRED UP JUST THINKING ABOUT IT. SO YOU'D BE FOR ASTROTURFING ALL THE GOLF COURSES THEN, YOU KNOW. NO, I'M I'M A I LOVE GRASS. I ALREADY SAID THAT.

AND AND ALSO THAT'S NOT PRACTICAL AT ALL BECAUSE YOU TAKE DIVOTS.

THERE'S JUST NO WAY TO DO IT WITH ARTIFICIAL TURF. BUT I WILL SAY WE HAVE TO GET THAT RIGHT.

WHATEVER THAT BALANCE IS, WHATEVER THAT THE TRUTH IS, I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE AMPLIFIED BECAUSE, AGAIN, I WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF IT UNTIL I WAS PRESENTED LOTS OF DATA.

BY THE WAY, THIS REMINDS ME, I HAD TO TAKE TWO DIFFERENT GRADUATE DEGREES AND THEY MADE ME TAKE STATS FOR BOTH OF THEM.

AND SO I'M RELIVING THAT NIGHTMARE WHEN I SAW THE DATA YOU GAVE US.

BUT AND I WANT TO SAY NATALIE AND KATIE, GREAT JOB.

AND I THINK FOR ANYBODY WATCHING, LIKE THIS IS THE STUFF THAT GOES ON EVERY DAY, ALL DAY, WE GOT PEOPLE GRINDING, GRINDING OUT ON, ON THIS, WHICH IS SUPER IMPORTANT.

AND THEN, I MEAN, THE PUBLIC OFTEN JUST WANTS TO ADD MORE AND MORE ON THE PLATE AND SAY, HEY, WHY DON'T WE DO THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS AND THIS? IN THE MEANTIME, THEY'RE WORKING THEIR TAILS OFF EVERY DAY ON THIS STUFF. SO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

AND I JUST CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THIS. WHEN I'M READING AND LOOKING, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH I'M INPUTS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME TO, LIKE JOHN SAID, BUT AND I THINK KATIE, YOU MENTIONED THE FILTRATION SYSTEM IS KIND OF THE LINCHPIN OF IT ALL, ISN'T IT? LIKE YOU COULD HAVE LESS BEING INPUT INTO THE BODY, BUT BECAUSE YOUR FILTRATION IS SO BAD, IT'S A HIGHER TOXICITY. IS THAT CORRECT? WHEREAS IF YOU HAD A REALLY GOOD FILTRATION SYSTEM, IT JUST MANAGES MORE OF THE BAD STUFF. IS THAT RIGHT? WELL, IN TERMS OF MAINTAINING OUR STORMWATER PONDS, IF YOU KNOW, THEY'RE 50, 60, 70 YEARS OLD AND THEY HAVEN'T HAD ANY MAINTENANCE PERFORMED ON THEM, THEN THEY'RE GOING TO BE PERFORMING AT A LOWER LEVEL AND NOT PROVIDING THAT FILTRATION BENEFIT PRIOR TO THE DISCHARGE.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD EXPECT THESE ELEVATED LEVELS IN STORMWATER PONDS BECAUSE THEIR JOB IS TO COLLECT THAT AND TREAT IT BEFORE DISCHARGE.

SO WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF MAINTENANCE ON SOME OF THESE PONDS THAT ARE 70 YEARS OLD, THEN THAT'S GOING TO BE A DIMINISHED FILTRATION CAPACITY.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF TO THE POINT THAT I WAS GETTING AT. I MEAN, IF IT LIKE THE TOILET DOESN'T FLUSH.

I MEAN, IT IS NOT A GOOD SITUATION. AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT ABOUT THE ONES THAT DON'T HAVE FISH OR ANY WILDLIFE, BECAUSE I'M A FRESHWATER FISH. I LIKE TO FISH ANYWAY, HOWEVER, BUT I GOT A WHOLE BUNCH OF THEM WHERE I CAN GO CATCH BIG BASS IN, AND SO I WANT TO KNOW THE ONES THAT DON'T HAVE IT BECAUSE I'M NOT AWARE OF THOSE.

I'M SURE THEY EXIST. I'M SURE JOHN'S TELLING ME THE RIGHT THING ABOUT NO WILDLIFE, BUT I AND MAYBE I CAN'T ACCESS THOSE, BUT I CAN ACCESS A BUNCH OF THEM AND WE CAN CATCH A WHOLE BUNCH OF, OF FRESHWATER FISH HERE IN THOSE PONDS THAT I'M AWARE OF.

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SO AGAIN, I JUST LIKE TO KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COULD GET CONSENSUS OR HOW WE FIND THAT DATA.

SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A MARKER FOR THAT TO SAY, HEY, THIS DOESN'T HAVE ANY WILDLIFE IN IT BECAUSE THAT'S JUST NOT MY ANECDOTAL EXPERIENCE.

GREAT. ASK THE QUESTION AGAIN. I WANT TO KNOW IF THEY I DON'T KNOW THE ONES THAT DON'T HAVE WILDLIFE IN THEM WILDLIFE, WILDLIFE. FISH, FROGS. AMPHIBIANS. AMPHIBIANS ARE A MARKER FOR ALL ECOSYSTEMS. THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT STUFF. SO RIGHT WOULD A THAT'S NOT HARD.

YEAH. JUST GO HANG OUT FOR ABOUT 20 MINUTES. YEAH.

WALK AROUND AND LOOK. NO. WHAT IS THAT? I MEAN NO.

HE ASKED A GOOD QUESTION. I MEAN, IS THAT TYPICALLY THAT'S DONE WITH ELECTROFISHING.

OR YOU CAN DO HOOK AND LINE SAMPLING TOO. BUT YEAH, THERE, THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS YOU CAN SURVEY LAKES FOR.

I WOULD JUST LIKE I'D BE INTERESTED IN THAT. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT DATA, YOU KNOW AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, LADIES.

WOULD YOU GET THAT FROM THE POLLUTANT LOAD MODELING AND, AND SURVEYING IT OR YOU MEAN THE WILDLIFE DATA. NO, IT'D BE A COMBINATION. YEAH. I MEAN, YOU COULD PREDICT YOU COULD HYPOTHESIZE THE REASON FOR DIFFERENCES IN WILDLIFE COMPOSITION BASED ON WHAT THE MODELING SAYS.

BUT THAT'S A REQUEST. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

YES. YEAH. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD NEED TO BE TO BE DONE SEPARATELY.

AND I'M NOT TRYING TO GO HEAVY LIFTING HERE. I THINK IT'S IF YOU GO, IF WE CAN SEE OBVIOUSLY THERE'S NO WILDLIFE IN THIS THING.

I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT DATA POINT. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. KATIE JENNER, SCUBA DIVING, CANCUN. I DON'T THINK IT'S REQUIRED. LIKE I SAID, THIS SHOULDN'T BE HEAVY LIFTING.

SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE FISHING IN LANTERN LAKE ANYTIME SOON? YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.

I MEAN, YOU WANT A LOT OF OUR ONE QUICK QUESTION.

I MEAN, THIS IS MINE. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. I MEAN, A LOT OF OUR WILDLIFE OBSERVATIONS ARE JUST ANECDOTAL.

SO OVER THE YEARS WE'VE SEEN TARPON AND SNOOK AND LANTERN LAKE BECAUSE THERE WAS THAT TIDAL CONNECTION WHICH WE'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS WITH BACK FLOW PREVENTERS, BUT A LOT OF IT IS JUST ANECDOTAL WITH A LOT OF THEM.

YOU KNOW, MOST ALL OF THEM HAVE BIRD LIFE. AND I'VE JUST OBSERVED FISH LIFE AS, AS WE GO ABOUT, BUT IT HASN'T BEEN FORMALLY DOCUMENTED. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND, I'M JUST SAYING IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT'S DEAD, I THINK THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO KNOW. MR. LOMBARDO, ONE QUICK QUESTION.

THE ON SWAN LAKE THE ECHO LABS PRODUCT THEY'RE USING IN THERE.

WHAT DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT? BECAUSE WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE IS THERE SOME TOXICITY? YOU'RE NOT OKAY. NO, SIR. THANK YOU. OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ.

THANK YOU FOR THE HEAVY LIFTING YOU DID HERE WITH THE WORK EDUCATING US ON THIS AND MY EXPERIENCE.

I LIVE IN THE VERY NORTH PART OF TOWN. WE WERE FIGHTING WITH PELICAN BAY IN REGARDS TO CLAM BAY AND THE DREDGING AND THE WATER FLOWS IN AND OUT OF THERE, AND THE WATER QUALITY WAS VERY, VERY LOW.

AND WE HAD TO PUSH AND SHOVE AGAINST PELICAN BAY TO ALLOW US TO BE HEARD.

US IN SEAGATE NAPLES. KAY. DO YOU TEST ANY OF THE CANALS UP IN THE SEAGATE AREA OR IS THAT NOT COUNTED.

NO SIR. THAT HAS NOT BEEN PART OF WHAT WE HAVE SAMPLED.

IS THERE A REASON FOR THAT. WE ONLY INCLUDE WHAT THE WHAT THE CITY HAS ON THEIR STORMWATER LAKES INVENTORY.

AND SO SEAGATE IS IRRELEVANT. SO I CAN JUMP IN PLEASE.

SO THERE ISN'T STORMWATER PONDS LOCATED IN THAT COMMUNITY.

THAT WOULD BE A PART OF THIS TESTING. BUT THE CANAL SYSTEM, AT LEAST AT THE ENDS OF THE CANALS, ARE SAMPLED BY COLLIER COUNTY THAT GO INTO THE GREATER DATABASE OF CLAM BAY, BECAUSE THE FOLKS IN SEAGATE ARE CONTEMPLATING PUTTING TOGETHER A SELF TAXATION DISTRICT TO GET THEIR THEIR CANALS DREDGED, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING CONFIRMING.

SO WE GET THE PROBLEMS AGAIN IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE CITY WHERE NONE OF YOU FOLKS EVER PLAY.

IT'S IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT FOR US UP THERE. AND IF WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO FIGHT WITH LIKE CLAM BAY JUST TO GET A SEAT AT THE TABLE, AND THAT WAS A PRETTY HEAVY LIFT THERE. BETTER PART OF TWO YEARS.

BUT NOW WE'RE THERE AND WE DO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THEM.

AND THE DREDGING OVER IN CLAM BAY IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT THING.

AND OBVIOUSLY THAT'S NOT IN THE CITY, BUT IT TOUCHES ON US AND IT IMPACTS US A GREAT DEAL.

SO I WAS CURIOUS WITH THE RESPONSE LEVEL THAT WE GOT FROM DOCTOR GEORGE WITH SWAN LAKE, WHEN THE RESIDENTS THERE HAD CALLED AND EXPLAINED THAT THEIR SITUATION,

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AND SO IT WAS A SPRING FED LAKE UP THERE. SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THAT AND HOW THE TREATMENTS GO.

SO IT'S IT'S A VERY, IT'S A MOVING TARGET AS IT WERE.

BUT THE CONCERN UP IN, IN THE SEAGATE AREA IS SUBSTANTIAL.

BUT I GUESS WE HAVE TO GO TO THE COUNTY TO ADDRESS THAT.

IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? THE COUNTY IS THE ONE THAT COLLECTS THE ESTUARINE DATA FOR THOSE CANALS AND THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THE CLAM BAY SYSTEM. OKAY. SO I HAVE TO GO TO THE COUNTY. THANK YOU.

SO DO WE ACTUALLY KNOW WHERE THIS POLLUTION IS COMING FROM? YEAH. THAT'S THE THAT'S THE $100,000 QUESTION, RIGHT.

SO IN MY OPINION, COMES FROM EVERYWHERE. YES.

YOU KNOW THIS. THAT'S WHY WE CALL IT NON-POINT SOURCE POLLUTION.

RIGHT? IT'S ATMOSPHERIC. IT'S INTERNAL. IT'S, YOU KNOW, PROXIMAL TO LAKE.

IT'S A MILE UPSTREAM OF THE LAKE, YOU KNOW. AND IT'S ALL DEPENDENT ON THE THE PHYSICAL CONDITIONS OF THAT DRAINAGE BASIN.

RIGHT. SO SOME OF IT'S COMING IN THROUGH THE SURFACE.

SOME OF IT'S COMING IN THROUGH THE GROUND. IT'S IT'S JUST ALL OVER THE PLACE.

AND THE CHALLENGE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE THERE'S NO QUESTION WE'VE UPSET THE NATURAL BALANCE, RIGHT. SO FIGURING OUT A WAY TO DO THE BEST WE CAN TO MANAGE WHAT WE HAVE.

IT KIND OF RELIES ON TRYING TO IDENTIFY WHAT WE CAN ASCERTAIN FROM WHAT'S COMING INTO THE LAKE AND THEN MAKING A MANAGEMENT PLAN BASED ON THAT. SO AND THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF OTHER THINGS WE CAN LOOK AT AND, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN YOU CAN STUDY THIS DOWN TO THE NTH DEGREE.

BUT YEAH, IT'S, IT'S ALL ABOUT MANAGEMENT TOOLS AND, AND PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS HAVE LIMITED FINANCIAL RESOURCES, RIGHT? SO WE HAVE TO SPEND, SPEND THE MONEY ON, ON THE HIGHEST PRIORITY THINGS THAT ALLOW US TO MANAGE THESE RESOURCES, THE WAY, THE WAY WE NEED TO. SO AND I THINK THAT, YEAH, IDENTIFYING THE PRIMARY SOURCES THAT WE THINK ARE OUT THERE IS THE PLACE TO START.

SO ARE WE ENFORCING THAT FERTILIZER ORDINANCE AND EDUCATING ON THAT FERTILIZER ORDINANCE? YES WE ARE.

AND WE WORK CLOSELY WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR THINGS LIKE YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, THE GRASS CLIPPINGS INTO ANY WATER BODY THAT'S IN OUR CODE THAT THAT'S NOT ALLOWED. SO WE ENCOURAGE EVERY CHANCE WE GET.

THE RESIDENTS ARE OUR EYES AND EARS AROUND THE COMMUNITY.

IF YOU SEE SOMETHING, CALL. DON'T EMAIL ANY, CALL IMMEDIATELY AND CODE ENFORCEMENT CAN GET OUT THERE AND DOCUMENT IT.

AND, AND, YOU KNOW, SO SO WE NEED THAT REACTION FROM THE COMMUNITY TO, TO CALL THINGS IN THAT THEY'RE SEEING.

AND WHEN WE'RE OUT DOING OUR WATER QUALITY SAMPLING IN THE ESTUARY, IF WE SEE GRASS CLIPPINGS BEING BLOWN INTO THE BAY, WE'RE, WE'RE ON THE PHONE CALLING AS WELL. SO WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT AND THEN TRY AND GET THE RESIDENTS ENGAGED TO, TO CALL IN WHAT THEY SEE AND OBSERVE AS WELL.

WE DON'T HAVE THE LANDSCAPER, LANDSCAPERS, EDUCATION OR REQUIREMENTS ANY LONGER, DO WE? WE WE DO. IT'S NOT AT THE LOCAL LEVEL. OUR PROGRAM WAS SO SUCCESSFUL THAT IT BECAME STATE LAW.

SO NOW EVERY LANDSCAPE COMPANY HAS TO CARRY A CARD ON THEIR PERSON SHOWING THAT THEY HAVE COMPLETED THIS TRAINING PROVIDED BY THE STATE. AND SO THAT IS STILL VERY MUCH ACTIVE.

AND THEY LEARN ABOUT OUR LOCAL CODES AS WELL WHEN THEY GO THROUGH THAT TRAINING.

I KNOW THIS IS A LARGE QUESTION, BUT THAT MIGHT BE A GREAT THING, BUT DO THEY HAVE TO REGISTER WITH US? DO OUR RESIDENTS KNOW THAT BECAUSE I WOULDN'T, AS INVOLVED AS I AM, WOULDN'T KNOW TO ASK MY LANDSCAPER IF HE'S BEEN CERTIFIED? WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS CAN REQUEST WHEN THEY RESPOND.

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A LOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T ENGAGED IN THAT PROCESS AND THEY JUST WANT THEIR GRASS TO LOOK GREEN.

THEY DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GETTING DONE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING WE REALLY WANT RESIDENTS TO BECOME ENGAGED WITH SO THAT THERE IS KNOWLEDGE OF, OF WHAT IS GOING IN TO MAKING YOUR LAWN GREEN AND MAYBE PLANTING A FERTILIZER FREE BUFFER ZONE BETWEEN YOUR SOD AND YOUR SEA WALL WOULD GO A LONG WAY. WELL, I'M GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT BECAUSE ARE WE LOOKING AT THAT FROM A BUILDING POINT OF VIEW FROM OUR LOT COVERAGE AND MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS ON POLICIES AND USING CODES THAT NEED TO CHANGE IN ORDER TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE ISSUES.

SO RIGHT NOW, THE FERTILIZER FREE ZONE IS A SOMETHING THAT IS ENCOURAGED IN OUR CODE.

IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT. THE SO I SHOULD SAY THE FERTILIZER FREE ZONE IS IN OUR CODE.

IT'S THE PLANTING AROUND LIKE WATER BODIES THAT'S ENCOURAGED, BUT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BY CODE FERTILIZE WITHIN TEN FEET OF A WATER BODY. BUT RIGHT NOW, IN TERMS OF FERTILIZER FREE PLANTINGS AND THOSE TYPES OF ZONES, THEY'RE ENCOURAGED. WELL, I MEAN, EVEN GOING FURTHER, AS WE HAVE DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT, DO WE HAVE ANY TYPE OF RECOMMENDATIONS OR POLICIES COMING FROM YOUR DEPARTMENT TO LOOK AT? SO THAT MAY PLAY INTO THE REVISED STORMWATER CODE THAT IS IN PLAY RIGHT NOW THAT I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO DOCTOR GEORGE ON WHAT THE DETAILS OF THAT WOULD CONTAIN, AND IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT.

OKAY. AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT LAKEVILLE AND THE CONSEQUENCES OR DETRIMENT THAT THAT MIGHT BE, IF ANY. CORRECT. THE LAKEVILLE IS DEALING WITH THE PERMITTING ASSOCIATED WITH THE LAKEVILLE.

WE AND WE DO HAVE WE DO IN THE LAKEVILLE CODE.

WE ENCOURAGE A LITERAL PLANTINGS IN THE LAKES.

SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO ANY WORK, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS CHANGING YOUR YOUR SLOPE OR ANYTHING ON YOUR UPLAND AREA, YOU WOULD BE ENCOURAGED AND HAVE REQUIREMENT TO DO A LITERAL PLANTING.

SO YOU MUST HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS ON WHETHER IMPERVIOUS AREAS NEED TO BE INCREASED OR.

THE LAKEFIELD JUST DEALS WITH LAKE FILL. WHETHER YOU'RE.

NO. I'M TALKING ABOUT POLICIES I GET. THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE STORMWATER STORMWATER REVIEW FOR EACH PROPERTY.

OKAY. AND YOU'RE INVOLVED IN COMING UP WITH SOME OF THOSE STORMWATER REVIEW OR DO WE HAVE A CHECKLIST? THE, THE REVIEWER WHO DOES THAT, YOU WOULD BE THE ONES WHO WOULD LOOK AT THOSE REQUIREMENTS.

MADAM MAYOR, THE STORMWATER MAYOR. I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS, IS, ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT HOW MUCH OF A PERCENTAGE OF YOUR PROPERTY SHOULD BE PERVIOUS VERSUS IMPERVIOUS? AND THEN PART OF RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO THE OTHER ITEMS? AND YOU'RE I BELIEVE THEY WERE SAYING THAT WOULD BE BETTER SERVED IN THE STORMWATER AND WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO.

ARE WE COMING BACK TO YOU WITH LAKE FILL CHANGES AND REVIEWING AND LOOKING THAT THAT'LL BE AT A FUTURE WORKSHOP AS WELL.

SO IN TERMS OF IF WE'RE GOING TO COME AND HAVE A DISCUSSION AS TO THE PERCENTAGE OF PERVIOUS OR IMPERVIOUS ON A SITE PLAN, OR ON A LOT THAT WOULD COME WITH THE STORMWATER DISCUSSION, WITH THEM BEING A PARTY AS TO MAYBE HOW THAT IS DERIVED, BUT NOT BEING A SEPARATE ITEM FROM THEM. GOT IT.

THAT'S THE WAY I THINK THAT WOULD ONE AFFECTS THE OTHER, I GET IT, THANK YOU. AND DO WE HAVE ANY UPDATED DRAINAGE BASIN MAPS OR WHEN'S THE LAST TIME WE HAD OUR DRAINAGE MAPS UPDATED? WE'RE WE'RE GETTING THEM DONE NOW. I MEAN, DOCTOR GEORGE PUT A PROJECT.

YEAH. YEAH. OUR WATERSHED IN THE WORKS. OKAY, I SEE HOW IT GOES HAND IN HAND.

IT'S JUST TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE POINT SOURCE IS, THAT WOULD BE VITAL.

BUT WE JUST BEGAN THAT PROCESS, I BELIEVE IN THE I THINK WE HAD THE WATERSHED AND THEN WE JUST DID THE POINT SOURCE MONITORING.

WE JUST AWARDED THAT CONTRACT. I THINK LIKE MAYBE JUST RIGHT BEFORE JUNE.

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I'M IMPRESSED. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO THE DIRECTION THAT STAFF RECOMMENDATION, DO YOU WANT TO READ OFF WHAT THOSE ARE? AND I BESIDES IS THE RECOMMENDATION OF POLLUTANT LOAD MODELING WITHIN YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS. OH, OUR RECOMMENDATION, SORRY, NOT STAFF RECOMMENDATION.

SO YEAH, POLLUTANT LOAD MODELING IS DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND AS UPDATING AND DETAILING.

OKAY. AND WAS THERE SOMETHING ELSE IN RECOMMENDATIONS? YES. OH, YES. SO, WELL, ONE WAS TO KEEP THE KEEP THE PROGRAM GOING, RIGHT.

YEAH, POLLUTANT LOAD MODELING WAS THE BIG ONE. AND SEDIMENT CHARACTERIZATION. WHEN WE HAVE DREDGE PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING EVALUATED, NUTRIENT SOURCE TRACKING WHEN WE HAVE OUTFALLS THAT WE KNOW ARE PROBABLY PROBLEMATIC.

AND THEN ALGAL IDENTIFICATION FOR LAKES WHERE WE HAVE CONTINUING ALGAE ALGAE PROBLEMS. SO THOSE ARE THE BIG ONES AS FAR AS STUDIES GO.

AND IS THAT INCLUDED WITHIN THE COVER PAGE OF STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE AGM MIRROR WHAT IS IN THE SLIDE THAT HE JUST PRESENTED.

OKAY. THE FOUR BULLET POINTS. OKAY. YES. VICE MAYOR.

AND I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT MAYBE RERANKING THE LAKES.

IF STAFF COULD LOOK AT WHETHER THAT WAS WARRANTED OR NOT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIME FRAME WOULD BE REALLY, BUT TO SEE WHAT YOU GUYS CAN WORK OUT. BUT YEAH, I THINK REVISITING HOW THEY WERE RANKED FIRST AND THEN DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN THE TWO SO WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION BEFORE WE AWARD THE NEXT YOU KNOW, OR GO OUT FOR AN RFP FOR DESIGN OR LETTER OF INTEREST ON DESIGN ON THAT WE SHOULD AT LEAST KNOW WHY IT WOULD HAVE CHANGED WHAT, WHAT WAS THE CRITERIA? AND IS IT IS THIS CRITERIA? AND IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY, IT WAS THE IT WAS WEIGHED AGAINST THE WATER BODY THAT IT WAS IMPACTING. CORRECT. AND, AND THAT MAY BE THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, BUT LET'S, WE JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT THOSE WERE AND HOW THEY WERE EVALUATED.

THEN, THEN, THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY THIS TO GIVE YOU THOSE FACTS.

AND THEN WE CAN SAY, LET'S HAVE AN HONEST DISCUSSION WITH THE RECOMMENDATION.

SOUNDS GOOD. THANKS. WELL, HOW IS NAPLES? HOW DOES THE COMMUNITY OR NOT.

COMMUNITY. COMPREHENSIVE HOSPITALS. LAKE IS PRIVATE.

HOW DOES THAT AFFECT US? BECAUSE NOTHING DRAINS INTO THAT LAKE.

IT'S POLLUTED. ARE WE WORKING WITH THEM DURING THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE NEW.

BECAUSE IT DRAINS INTO OUR SYSTEM. BUT IT'S A PRIVATE LAKE, CORRECT? YES. SO OUR STORMWATER POND. SORRY. SO YES. STORMWATER STAFF AS WELL AS US ARE WORKING WITH NCH TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO MITIGATE THOSE POLLUTANTS AND COME UP WITH A MANAGEMENT PLAN.

OKAY. SO THAT. YEAH. THANKS. I MEANT TO ASK ABOUT THAT.

I SAW IT IN THE IN THE SLIDES. RIGHT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

DO YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED FROM US? ANYONE AGAINST THE RECOMMENDATIONS BESIDES WHAT WAS ADDED.

AND I HAVE ONE THING ABOUT THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

YOU MENTIONED MAINTENANCE WAS AN ISSUE. I THINK IT WAS YOU THAT OUR STAFF SAID THERE WASN'T MAINTENANCE DONE FOR QUITE SOME TIME ON THE LAKES.

AND WE SHOULD REALLY LOOK AT A WAY WHERE, HOW WE'RE MAINTAINING OUR LAKES AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, LIKE I'M LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE 11 B'S, LIKE, WHAT'S OUR POLICIES FOR LIKE REMOVING BULRUSH ENCROACHES THE WATER WITH BARELY ANY LAKE LEFT. HOW DO WE REMOVE THAT? WHAT'S OUR POLICIES ON REMOVAL? YOU HAVE A POLICY ON REMOVAL OF OF EXCESSIVE GROWTH IN A LAKE.

SO YEAH, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A FORMAL POLICY, BUT IN THE CASE OF MANDARIN LAKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IT HAS AN EXOTIC SALVINIA THAT COVERS THE ENTIRE SURFACE OF THE LAKE.

IT'S VERY AGGRESSIVE. SO IT PRETTY MUCH LIMITS SUNLIGHT REACHING THE WATERWAY.

SO IN THAT CASE, IT WAS A MECHANICAL HARVESTING THAT TOOK PLACE TO REMOVE ALL OF THAT.

SO IT'S BASICALLY ON A LAKE BY LAKE BASIS. IF WE SEE AN EXOTIC TAKING OVER A LAKE OR TORPEDO GRASS OR SOMETHING LIKE ANY SPRAYING

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IF SO, IF TORPEDO GRASS, FOR EXAMPLE, IS ENCROACHING INTO THE WATER, IF YOU JUST REMOVE IT AND YOU DON'T SPRAY THE BANKS, IT'S JUST GOING TO KEEP GOING BACK. SO THERE IS SOME SPRAYING AROUND THE EXTERNAL PART OF THE LAKE.

AND YOU KNOW WHAT THEY USE. IT HAS TO BE AN AQUATIC APPROVED HERBICIDE.

OKAY. DOES THAT MEAN MECHANICAL HARVESTING THEM ALL FOR I MEAN I THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT APPROACH.

BUT SPRAYING I'M JUST ADAMANTLY AGAINST. YEAH.

TRY TO AVOID THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. MR. MYUNG, I BELIEVE THE CONTRACT IS UP FOR THAT.

WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE MONITORING. I THINK WE NEED TO PURSUE ANOTHER CONTRACT, AND I BELIEVE I MAY HAVE HEARD IT, BUT THERE'S A GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT TO CONTINUE, YOU KNOW, COME BACK TO YOU WITH SOMETHING TO CONTINUE THE MONITORING AND SEEING THE VALUE IN THE STRATEGIC PLANNING OF A CLEANING OUR LAKES ISN'T A ONE AND DONE SCENARIO.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE THAT IN AGREEMENT TO BRING BACK TO YOU.

SO AND AS THE VICE MAYOR WOULD NORMALLY SAY, AND PERFORMANCE MEASURES AND THAT CONTRACT HAS BEEN ISSUED.

SO WE HAVE CONTINUATION OF THE SAMPLING. YES.

THANK YOU. AND DOES THAT WILL YOU NEED TO COME BACK FOR THE WE'RE GOING TO BE COMING BACK TO YOU FOR OBVIOUSLY WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE THE STORMWATER DISCUSSION, THE LAKE FILLED DISCUSSION, AND WILL STILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU.

RELATED TO LAKE DREDGING. ONCE WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK BACK AT THE CRITERIA WHICH IT WAS ANALYZED AND AND RATED BEFORE.

AND SO THOSE ARE THE THREE TYPES OF THINGS. AND NO SORRY.

NO YOU'RE FINE MA'AM. NO, NO, I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THAT THE LAKE FILL IS SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER WORKSHOP.

AND I'M NOT SURE THE STORMWATER STORMWATER REGULATIONS ONE HAS BEEN SCHEDULED, BUT I'LL LET YOU I'LL SEND SOMETHING OUT TO LET YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I JUST DON'T REMEMBER THAT DATE BEING SCHEDULED YET. AND THE CONTRACT WILL ALSO BE FOR POLLUTANT LOAD MODELING.

WELL, NO, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS.

NO. BUT WE'LL COME BACK WITH A CONTRACT FOR THAT.

IS THAT WELL, WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE AN INTERNAL DISCUSSION ON THAT AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AS TO WHETHER WE SHOULD DO THAT AT THIS POINT. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. ANY FURTHER DIRECTION. READY. SET.

FLOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THAT CONCLUDES SIX AYE.

MOVING TO SIX B. THANK YOU MAYOR. THIS IS A DISCUSSION RELATED TO POTENTIAL

[6.B) Discussion and Direction Regarding Proposed Changes to City Code Section 52-61 - Marine Turtle Protection Regulations.]

AND WITH THAT IS NATALIE AND SARAH TO HANDLE THIS PARTICULAR ITEM.

OH, I GUESS SARAH WILL BE OUT HERE IN JUST ONE SECOND BECAUSE SHE'S HERE.

SO BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED. I JUST WANT TO SAY HELLO.

NATALIE HARTMAN, NATURAL RESOURCES MANAGER. AND I JUST WANTED TO TALK TO YOU TODAY ABOUT OUR TURTLE LIGHTING CODES.

THEY WERE LAST UPDATED IN 1995, AND WE'RE TRYING TO GET AN UPDATE ON THE ON THIS PARTICULAR CODE.

TO BE CLEAR, THIS CODE IS AN UPDATE TO FORMALIZE WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING AND WHAT HAS BEEN REQUIRED.

SINCE, YOU KNOW, IT STARTED. MONIQUE STARTED THIS PROGRAM BACK IN THE DAY AND SHE IS PASSED THE TORCH TO SARAH. AND I'LL INTRODUCE HERE SARAH HERE IN JUST A SECOND.

AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS ARE INTENDED TO CLARIFY EXISTING EXPECTATIONS, INCORPORATE CURRENT PRACTICES AND STATE GUIDANCE AND STATE GUIDANCE, AND PROVIDE FOR A MORE CONSISTENT REVIEW AND ENFORCEMENT.

REDUCE THE LIKELIHOOD THAT LIGHTING INSTALLED DURING CONSTRUCTION WILL LATER REQUIRE CORRECTIVE ACTION.

AND BROADLY, THIS UPDATE PROVIDES FOR CLEAR EXPECTATIONS FOR ALL PARTIES GOING FORWARD.

AND SARAH NORRIS NORRIS WILL TAKE OVER FROM ME AND SHE IS OUR TEAM LEAD ON THE TURTLE PERMITTING PROGRAM.

AND SHE'S HERE TO PRESENT THE. UPDATE TO YOU.

THANK YOU, MISS HARDEMAN. GOOD MORNING, MISS NORRIS.

GOOD MORNING. OKAY. I'M ON. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS MY FIRST REAL BIG ONE, SO FORGIVE MY TECHNICAL CHALLENGES.

OKAY. SO THANKS AGAIN FOR HAVING US. WE WERE HERE ABOUT A YEAR AGO.

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SO SINCE THERE'S SOME NEW FACES AND IT'S BEEN A WHOLE YEAR, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A QUICK RECAP AND UPDATE ON THAT.

SO WHEN WE CAME, THERE WE GO. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE.

OH, WHERE'S MY SIDE? MY. OH, SHE'S NOT UP ON THE SCREEN YET.

OH, OKAY. WAIT, AM I CAN I GO TO THE NEXT ONE? OH, OKAY. SO WE HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF DISORIENTATIONS IN THE CITY.

SO WE'VE HAD A SKYROCKETED NUMBER OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS.

THIS REALLY STARTED WITH HURRICANE IAN AND THEN WAS COMPOUNDED BY HELENE AND MILTON.

SO YOU CAN SEE IN 2023 WHERE WE HAD 92 DISORIENTATIONS IN THE CITY.

2024 IS A LITTLE BIT DECEIVING OF A NUMBER BECAUSE OF ALL THE STORM ACTIVITY WE HAD.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE NEST DIDN'T REALLY GET A CHANCE TO HATCH.

SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A GOOD NUMBER REPRESENTING DISORIENTATIONS WITH THAT.

AND THEN 2025, LAST YEAR WE HAD A RECORD NUMBER.

THERE'S A LOT OF WORDS HERE AND WE, WE LIKE GRAPHS.

SO I'VE MADE THIS LITTLE GRAPH FOR YOU TO KIND OF HELP SHOW YOU OUR NUMBERS IN RELATION TO THE COUNTY.

SO, YOU KNOW, AS THE COUNTY NUMBERS HAVE RISEN, SO HAVE THE NUMBERS HERE IN THE CITY AND WE ACCOUNT FOR A LARGE PORTION OF THAT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE A REALLY LARGE PORTION OF THE COASTLINE THAT'S DEVELOPED.

SO IT IS UNFORTUNATE, BUT IT KIND OF MAKES SENSE WITH WITH WHAT WE HAVE HERE.

SO TO KIND OF BRING YOU UP TO SPEED ON WHERE WE ARE NOW, THESE NUMBERS ARE A LITTLE OUTDATED BECAUSE WE HAD TO GET THIS PUBLISHED.

SO I DO HAVE THE LATEST NUMBERS AS OF LAST MONDAY.

THEY COME OUT EVERY MONDAY, SO WE'LL GET AN UPDATE.

UNFORTUNATELY IT DIDN'T COME THROUGH THIS MORNING. SO THIS YEAR WE HAVE TOTAL HATCH NESS RIGHT NOW 393.

SO WE ARE UP IN TERMS OF LAST YEAR'S NESS BY JUST A COUPLE AND WE HAVE 70 DISORIENTATIONS.

COMPARED TO THIS TIME LAST YEAR, WE HAD 106 DISORIENTATIONS AND ABOUT 390 NESTS THAT HAVE HATCHED OUT.

SO WE DO HAVE MORE NESTS THAT HAVE BEEN LAID THIS SEASON.

WE HAVE A TOTAL OF 556 COMPARED TO 485 LAST YEAR, WHICH IS REALLY GREAT.

WE LIKELY WON'T HAVE AS HIGH OF A NUMBER OF HATCHED NESTS AS WE WOULD HOPE, BECAUSE WE DID HAVE SOME STORM IMPACTS AT THE END OF JULY, BUT BECAUSE WE'VE HAD MORE NESTS THIS YEAR COMPARED TO LAST YEAR, I FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT COMPARING OUR NUMBER OF DISORIENTATIONS AT THIS POINT RIGHT NOW TO THIS POINT LAST YEAR, BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE ABOUT THE SAME NUMBER THAT HAVE HATCHED OUT.

SO WHY IS THIS HAPPENING? WELL, WE HAVE AN ARRAY OF NON COMPLIANT LIGHTING.

SO I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT THOSE DIFFERENT TYPES OF LIGHTING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE SEEING HERE.

SO THE FIRST IS, IS THIS THE POINT? OKAY. LANDSCAPE LIGHTING.

SO A LOT OF FOLKS REALLY LIKE TO HAVE THESE TYPES OF LIGHTS MOUNTED ON THE GROUND THAT ARE SHINING UPWARD ONTO THE LANDSCAPE PALM TREES OR WHATEVER TYPE OF VEGETATION IN THEIR YARD. THIS JUST CAUSES AMBIENT GLOW TO BE UP IN THE SKY.

THAT DOESN'T SERVE A PURPOSE FOR, YOU KNOW, HUMAN HEALTH AND SAFETY AND CAN CAUSE A LOT OF LIGHT TO BE VISIBLE FROM THE BEACH IMPACT NEGATIVELY IMPACTING SEA TURTLES, MORE SPECIFICALLY HATCHLINGS. THEY'RE JUST A LITTLE MORE SENSITIVE THAN THE ADULTS.

THEN WE ALSO HAVE BALCONY LIGHTING AND INTERIOR LIGHTING HERE IN THIS TOP CENTER PHOTO.

SO YOU CAN SEE RIGHT HERE WHERE MY POINTER IS THAT THERE'S A LIGHT ON, ON SOMEONE'S PRIVATE BALCONY THAT'S SHINING OUT ONTO THE BEACH, AS WELL AS A NUMBER OF LIGHTS ON THE INTERIOR.

AND THEN THE SAME OVER HERE ON THE TOP RIGHT.

SOME BALCONY LIGHTS ON ON SOMEONE'S SECOND LEVEL HOME.

AND BECAUSE OF ALL THE STORMS, WE'RE ALSO SEEING AN INCREASE IN LIGHTING BEING VISIBLE FROM THE BEACH, FROM ACROSS THE STREET, WHETHER THAT'S GULF SHORE BOULEVARD OR GORDON DRIVE.

SO THIS BOTTOM EXAMPLE HERE IS PARKING LOT LIGHTING, WHICH TENDS TO BE PRETTY EGREGIOUS JUST BECAUSE THE LIGHTS ARE MOUNTED PRETTY HIGH AND

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BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY ACROSS THE STREET. SO THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN HAVING TO COMBAT OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, AND WE'LL GET A LITTLE MORE INTO THAT LATER AS WELL.

AND THEN IN THE MIDDLE, YOU CAN SEE THIS IS A PARKING AREA THAT IS MORE ADJACENT TO THE BEACH AND HEAVILY LIT, CAUSING A LOT OF LIGHTING TO BE VISIBLE THAT CAN NEGATIVELY IMPACT TURTLES.

AND THEN ANOTHER BIG ONE WE'RE SEEING OUTSIDE OF JUST WHAT I CALL REGULAR INTERIOR LIGHTING, WHEN SOMEONE'S HOME IS CONSTRUCTION LIGHTING THAT IS GETTING LEFT ON YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S BY ACCIDENT OR JUST, YOU KNOW, UNINTENTIONAL IN TERMS OF NOT REMEMBERING WHAT TIME OF YEAR IT IS OR TURNING THOSE LIGHTS OFF.

SO ALL OF THIS TOGETHER DISRUPTS THE NATURAL CUES OF SEA TURTLES AND WILL CAUSE THEM TO GO THE WRONG WAY, WHETHER THAT'S WANDERING. YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME WANDER 500 TO THOUSANDS OF FEET DOWN THE BEACH, WASTING PRECIOUS ENERGY BEFORE THEY EVENTUALLY TURN TO GET TO THE WATER.

SO THAT CAN DECREASE THEIR CHANCES OF SURVIVAL ONCE THEY HIT THE WATER, BECAUSE THEY NEED EVERY LITTLE OUNCE OF ENERGY THEY CAN GET TO REACH THOSE SAFE HAVENS OFFSHORE. OR ALTERNATIVELY, THEY WILL END UP IN THESE PARKING LOTS.

ROADWAYS. PEOPLE'S POOLS OR, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPING OR WHAT HAVE YOU AS A RESULT OF THESE TYPES OF LIGHTING.

SO WHAT DO WE DO HERE IN THE CITY TO PROTECT TURTLES? WE HAVE A CURRENT CODE 5261. AND THE PURPOSE IS TO PROTECT THESE TURTLES.

AND IT'S HEAVILY FOCUSED ON LIGHTING AS WELL AS SOME LANGUAGE ABOUT JUST PROTECTING THEM IN GENERAL WHEN IT COMES TO HARASSMENT OR CONSTRUCTION. AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO UPDATE.

AND THEN WE HAVE OUR STATE REGULATIONS. SO THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT SECTIONS OF THE STATE REGULATIONS THAT HELP PROTECT SEA TURTLES.

THE PRIMARY ONE THAT WE OFTEN INTERACT WITH AS NATURAL RESOURCES STAFF IS THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE PROGRAM.

SO THIS IS THE STATE'S VERSION OF PERMITTING FOR ANY PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON ON THE BEACH WHERE THEY HAVE TO ADHERE TO ADDITIONAL TYPES OF REGULATIONS, WHETHER THAT'S EXTRA RESTRICTIONS LIKE BUILDING CODES OR LIGHTING FOR SEA TURTLES.

SO WE WORK CLOSELY WITH THE STATE ON THOSE PROJECTS WHERE IT APPLIES.

THERE'S ALSO THE STATE MODEL ORDINANCE, WHICH CAME OUT A FEW YEARS AGO.

NOW THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT REGULATES LIGHTING.

IT WAS PUT IN PLACE MORE IN OFFICIAL CAPACITY AS A FRAMEWORK AND GUIDELINES FOR LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES TO USE OR WORK OFF OF WHEN GOING TO UPDATE AND MODIFY THEIR ORDINANCES AS IT RELATES TO SEA TURTLE LIGHTING.

AND THEN WE HAVE THE MARINE TURTLE PROTECTION ACT, WHICH IS THE BIG CATCH ALL THAT PROTECTS THE ANIMALS THEMSELVES FROM TAKE POSSESSION, DISTURBANCE, DESTRUCTION. AND THIS ALSO TRANSLATES OVER TO THEIR HABITAT, WHICH IS EQUALLY IMPORTANT.

YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO PROTECT THE ANIMAL, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO PROTECT THE HABITATS THAT THEY UTILIZE HERE.

AND FOR US, THAT'S OUR CITY BEACHES. SO WHY ARE WE BRINGING THIS TO YOU TODAY? THE CURRENT CODE IS FROM 1995, SO IT'S A BIT OUTDATED.

SCIENCE TECHNOLOGY RESEARCH DESIGN PREFERENCES HAVE GREATLY CHANGED SINCE THIS TIME FRAME.

SO THERE'S A LOT TO BE UPDATED. BUT LIKE NATALIE SAID, WE'RE REALLY JUST MAKING MORE CLEAR AND EXPANDING UPON WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING WE OFTEN HEAR IS THIS IS REALLY OLD.

LIKE, WHERE DOES IT SAY IT'S LIKE, WELL, YES, WE, IT IS OLD, BUT WE WANT TO UPDATE IT TO REFLECT WHAT WE'RE DOING THAT MIMICS THE STATE REGULATIONS AND PROTECTIONS IN THAT SENSE. AND THE STATE HAS ALSO CHANGED SOME OF THEIR VERBIAGE AS WELL.

SO WE WANT TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THEM AND INCORPORATE THAT.

AND THEN BE VERY CLEAR WHEN IT COMES TO RESIDENTS, CONTRACTORS, EVEN CITY STAFF AS TO WHAT THIS IS AND WHAT WE'RE PROTECTING AND WHAT OUR GOALS ARE, AND SOMETHING TO POINT TO A LITTLE BIT MORE EASILY.

OKAY, SO WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS CODE? AND SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DECREASE THE AMOUNT OF VISIBLE LIGHT SEEN FROM THE BEACH.

SO THAT CAN COME IN THREE DIFFERENT FORMS OR A COMBINATION OF THESE.

SO WE HAVE LIGHTS THAT ARE DIRECTLY VISIBLE, INDIRECTLY VISIBLE OR CUMULATIVELY VISIBLE.

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SO WE HAVE DIRECTLY VISIBLE. SO THIS IS WHERE YOU CAN SEE THE FIXTURE ITSELF AND THE LIGHT SOURCE ITSELF.

SO WHETHER THAT'S A WALL SCONCE. IT COULD BE A CEILING LIGHT.

IT COULD BE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A SPECIFIC TYPE OF FIXTURE.

IT'S JUST YOU CAN SEE THE FIXTURE AND YOU CAN SEE THE LIGHT BULB.

INDIRECTLY VISIBLE MEANS MAYBE THERE'S SOME LIGHTING THAT IS IN PLACE AND YOU CAN'T SEE THAT LIGHT OR LIGHT SOURCE, BUT THE LIGHT THAT IT'S EMANATING IS VISIBLE.

SO ON THE LEFTMOST SIDE HERE, WE HAVE A CARPORT TYPE STRUCTURE THAT HAS LIGHTING MOUNTED IN THE CEILING OR ON THE SIDE HERE THAT'S EMANATING LIGHT OUT INTO THE DRIVE AREA.

AND THAT IS A NON-COMPLIANT LIGHT SOURCE BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THIS IS A WHITE LIGHT SOURCE.

AND WE'LL GET INTO THE COLOR AND EVERYTHING A LITTLE BIT LATER.

IN THE CENTER, WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER PARKING TYPE STRUCTURE WHERE IT HAS A LOUVERED SHIELD, WHICH IS GREAT, BUT IT'S NOT SERVING THE PURPOSE OF KEEPING THE LIGHT ONLY INSIDE THE PARKING STRUCTURE.

THE LIGHT YOU'RE SEEING OUT HERE ON THE BEACH IS FROM THAT PARKING STRUCTURE ON THE RIGHTMOST SIDE.

WE HAVE A PROPERTY ON THE EAST SIDE OF GORDON DRIVE THAT HAS DIFFERENT TYPES OF LIGHTING, PREDOMINANTLY THE LANDSCAPE, ACCENT, LIGHTING. SO WE CAN'T NECESSARILY SEE THE LIGHT SOURCE ITSELF, BUT IT'S CAUSING THIS GLOW THAT HAS DIRECT LINE OF SIGHT TO THE BEACH AND THEN CUMULATIVELY VISIBLE. SO THIS IS CAN GET A LITTLE BIT SUBJECTIVE.

AND YOU HAVE TO REALLY WALK UP TO THE PROPERTY TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IF YOU CAN'T QUITE SEE IT.

SO THIS IS A CULMINATION OF MULTIPLE LIGHT SOURCES THAT CAN EITHER BE DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY VISIBLE, OR A COMBINATION OF THE TWO. THE ONE ON THE TOP RIGHT HERE HAS SOME UP LIGHTING.

THAT'S HOW YOU CAN SEE ALL THE PALM TREES LIT UP.

WE HAVE INTERIOR LIGHTING AS WELL AS SOME OTHER GROUND LEVEL LIGHTS THAT ARE NOT COMPLIANT, THAT ARE SHINING OUT WHITE, THAT ARE ADDING TO THIS OVERALL GLOW.

I WANTED TO ADD THIS PICTURE IN HERE SPECIFICALLY, AND WE'LL KIND OF DO SOME MYTH BUSTING ALONG THE WAY HERE, BUT THIS PROPERTY HAS A NUMBER OF WHAT WE CALL TURTLE COMPLIANT FIXTURES.

BUT EVEN IF A FIXTURE IS COMPLIANT, WE CAN'T GO OVERBOARD WITH THEM.

WE DON'T WANT TO BE THIS ORANGE GLOWING ORB ON THE BEACH BECAUSE THAT CAN STILL BE DISRUPTED.

SO JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE TURTLE COMPLIANT FIXTURES, WE WANT TO SEE THE OVERALL PROJECT.

AND WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF GET INTO THE WEEDS ON THAT AND REVIEWS, IT'S LIKE, OKAY, THESE ARE GREAT, BUT YOU JUST CAN'T HAVE THIS MANY. IT'S KIND OF TOO MUCH FOR HUMAN HEALTH AND SAFETY.

SO LET'S TAMPER IT DOWN AND GET IT RIGHT. AND WE DO THAT BY FOLLOWING THESE PRIMARY PRINCIPLES HERE.

SO WE WE SAY KEEP IT LOW, KEEP IT SHIELDED AND KEEP IT LONG.

SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT FULL CUT OFF OR SHIELDED FIXTURES, WE WANT LIGHT SOURCES THAT ARE NOT EMITTING ABOVE THE 90 DEGREE PLANE. SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PICTURE, THE LIGHT SOURCES ARE POINTED DOWN AT AN ANGLE.

THEY ARE ALSO SHIELDED. SO YOU CAN'T SEE THE LIGHT SOURCE ITSELF.

AND THEY'RE DOWNWARD DIRECTED. WE WANT THE LIGHT SHINING WHERE IT'S THE MOST IMPACTFUL AND THAT IS NEEDED FOR PEOPLE.

SO WHERE THEY'RE WALKING, WHERE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, GOING TO BE NAVIGATING TO AND FROM A BUILDING AND THAT SORT OF THING.

WE WANT THEM TO ALSO BE AS LOW MOUNTED AS POSSIBLE.

THE LOWER MOUNTED REALLY HELPS CUT DOWN ON GLOW THAT'S VISIBLE FROM A DISTANCE.

SO LIKE WHEN BEFORE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PARKING AREAS, YOU KNOW.

I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE LIKE THE TALL MOUNTED POLE LIGHTS, BUT IN SOME APPLICATIONS, A LOWER MOUNTED, LIKE A BOLLARD MAY SERVE ENOUGH OF THE SAME PURPOSE.

GIVE THE LIGHT WITHOUT KIND OF CAUSING THIS LARGER GLOW THAT CAN BE SEEN AT A DISTANCE.

SOMETIMES YOU CAN'T ALWAYS MAKE THAT PRACTICALLY.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THE PROPERTY ON WHAT MIGHT BE THE BEST SOLUTION.

AND THEN ALSO WATTAGE. SO LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, MAYBE ON SOME OF THESE FIXTURES OUT HERE OUTSIDE THIS EXIT DOOR, WE WANT A LIGHT BULB THAT IS POWERFUL. THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THAT APPLICATION.

WE DON'T WANT A ROADWAY LIGHT BULB IN A WALL SCONCE.

SO THAT'S WHEN WE KIND OF TALK ABOUT LOW AND LOW WATTAGE.

WHAT WHAT WE'RE AIMING FOR. WE, WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SEE, BUT WE DON'T NEED IT TO BE TOO MUCH EITHER IN TERMS OF THE APPLICATION.

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SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE COLOR SPECTRUM AND HOW LIGHT IS EMITTED, WE NEED IT TO BE LONG WAVELENGTHS, MEANING IT EMITS 560 NANOMETERS OR GREATER, WHICH TO US APPEARS TO BE THOSE YELLOW, ORANGE, AND RED COLORS. AND SO THAT'S THIS IS ALL INFORMATION WE ASK FOR THROUGHOUT THE PERMITTING PROCESS TO ENSURE FROM THE BEGINNING THAT WE'RE GIVING THE BEST RUBBER STAMP OF APPROVAL THAT WE CAN.

AND IT DOESN'T GET ALL THE WAY TO THE END. AND WE'RE LIKE, OH, THIS ISN'T GOING TO WORK AND CAUSE DELAYS IN THE LONG RUN.

SO OUR PROPOSED CHANGES THAT WE'VE PROVIDED YOU TODAY WERE KIND OF INCORPORATED FROM THE STATE'S MODEL LIGHTING ORDINANCE.

WE USE IT AGAIN AS A FRAMEWORK AND A GUIDE, BUT WE REALLY TAILORED IT DOWN TO, AGAIN, LIKE WE SAID, WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING AND WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR US HERE.

THERE'S SOME INFORMATION IN THERE THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY APPLY TO US HERE IN THIS CITY.

AGAIN, THAT WAS MADE TO TRY TO HELP MUNICIPALITIES ALL AROUND THE STATE.

SO AS WE KNOW, EVERY MUNICIPALITY CAN BE DIFFERENT.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE MAJOR CHANGES KIND OF CAME FROM IN THAT SENSE.

SO THE NOTABLE CHANGES THAT YOU'LL SEE HERE ARE THE ADDITION OF THE SEA TURTLE LIGHTING DISTRICT DEFINITIONS.

OUR CURRENT CODE HAS NO DEFINITION. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE REALLY, REALLY HELPFUL.

INTERIOR LIGHTING CRITERIA. AND THEN NESTING HABITAT PROTECTIONS THAT ARE DEFINED AND CLARIFIED.

AND AGAIN THESE ARE THINGS WE'RE ALREADY DOING.

IT'S JUST GOING TO BE SPELLED OUT MORE CLEARLY THAT WE CAN POINT TO.

AND PEOPLE CAN HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHEN THEY'RE GOING INTO THE PERMITTING PROCESS.

SO THE BIGGEST ONE THAT WE HAVE HERE IS DEFINING A SEA TURTLE LIGHTING DISTRICT.

SO AS OUR CODE IS WRITTEN NOW HERE IN THE ITALICS.

IF THERE'S ANY DEVELOPMENT WITHIN 300FT WHERE THERE'S LIGHT SOURCES OR REFLECTIVE SURFACES, THEY MUST BE COMPLIANT WITH OUR CODE. OR IF ANY LIGHT SOURCE IS VISIBLE FROM THE BEACH.

AND THAT'S THE PART THAT WE END UP LEANING ON A LOT.

BUT IT'S ALSO THE HARDEST TO DESCRIBE TO PEOPLE AS TO WHY THEY'RE VISIBLE.

SO IN OUR CURRENT SETUP, I WOULD SAY THROUGH REVIEWS AND SUCH, WE REVIEW FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE SEAWARD OF THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE PROPERTIES, LANDWARD OF THAT LINE DO NOT COME TO US FOR REVIEW, BUT CAN AND DO PRODUCE LIGHT THAT'S VISIBLE FROM THE BEACH THAT IS PROBLEMATIC AND NOT COMPLIANT WITH OUR CODE.

SO YOU KNOW, WE TOOK THIS FEEDBACK FROM THE MODEL ORDINANCE AS WELL AS OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS THAT WE CONSTANTLY END UP HAVING TO BE LIKE, YOU'RE VISIBLE FROM THE BEACH. AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, HOW I'M BEYOND THE LINE.

AND I WISH IT WAS AS EASY AS THERE WAS A MAGICAL CURTAIN WITH THIS LINE THAT YOU COULD SEE NOTHING.

BUT WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET, SO WE HAVE TO, WE WANT TO UPDATE THIS TO REFLECT THAT AND CAPTURE IT FROM THE START SO THAT IT DOESN'T CAUSE PROBLEMS LATER. SO JUST A MOMENT ON THAT ONE, BECAUSE THIS ONE IS GOING TO WHETHER IT'S IN HERE OR NOT, THIS ONE IS STILL GOING TO CAUSE PROBLEMS FOR REVIEW WHEN IF IT'S LANDLORD OF THE CCL AND THERE'S NOTHING SITTING ON THE BEACH IN FRONT OF IT, YOU STILL HAVE THOSE ISSUES. AND SO WHEN YOU DEFINE A DISTRICT, JUST BECAUSE THE PROPERTY IN FRONT OF IT MAY HAVE NEVER CAUSED AN ISSUE, IF ONE GETS TORN DOWN OR KNOCKED DOWN BY A DISASTER, NOW IT BECOMES THAT PROPERTY LANDWARD OF THE CCL.

SO THOSE ARE PROBLEMS. AND SO WHAT YOU HAVE OSTENSIBLY IS A MOVING DISTRICT BY VIRTUE OF WHATEVER'S IN FRONT OF IT, CAN MAKE IT SOMETHING THAT WASN'T IN THE DISTRICT NOW IS IN THE DISTRICT.

IS THAT NOT A TRUE STATEMENT? SO WE DREW THIS LINE TO HELP MITIGATE THAT PROBLEM THAT THE CITY MANAGER JUST OUTLINED. AND THAT IS A LESSON THAT WE'VE LEARNED BECAUSE OF ALL THESE HURRICANES WHERE PROPERTIES THAT ARE LANDWARD OF THE LINE NEVER WERE A PROBLEM BEFORE, OR WE DIDN'T EVER OBSERVE AN ISSUE BECAUSE THERE WAS A PROPERTY OR A STRUCTURE OR MULTIPLE STRUCTURES IN FRONT OF IT.

THOSE HAVE BEEN TORN DOWN AS A RESULT OF HURRICANES OR JUST BECAUSE NEW OWNER, NEW DEVELOPMENT, WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE. NOW THAT PROPERTY IS WHAT WE KIND OF REFER TO AS BEACHFRONT IN THE SENSE THAT IT HAS THAT DIRECT LINE OF SIGHT.

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SO THIS KIND OF GIVES US THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT MORE, WHICH WILL BE MORE WORK, BUT WORTH IT IN THE LONG RUN TO SAY, OKAY, WHAT ARE YOU PROPOSING? LET'S TALK ABOUT IT.

WHAT YOU'RE DOING SEEMS REASONABLE. OR LET'S TWEAK IT A LITTLE BIT HERE BECAUSE WE THINK THAT HAVING A LIGHT IN THIS AREA OF THIS PART OF THE STRUCTURE WILL BE VISIBLE. SO AGAIN, IT KIND OF ALLOWS US TO MITIGATE THAT ON THE FRONT END.

YOU KNOW, SOME PROPERTIES MAY END UP HAVING TO HAVE MORE RESTRICTIVE REQUIREMENTS DEPENDING ON WHERE THEY ARE AND WHERE THEY'RE VISIBLE.

YOU KNOW, WE WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE WHAT THEY'D LIKE AND WE DON'T WANT TO HAMMER DOWN ON THAT, BUT WE WANT TO, WITHIN REASON. MAKE SURE THAT OUR SEA TURTLES ARE ALSO PROTECTED.

SO WE, WE BROKE THIS UP INTO THE NORTH AND SOUTH.

AND I KNOW IT'S PRETTY ZOOMED OUT HERE TO SEE, BUT BASICALLY OUR, OUR INTENT WITH THIS WAS TO EXPAND THE DISTRICT OR THE, THE LINE OF REVIEW, IF YOU WILL, THAT COMES TO US BASED ON OUR EXPERIENCE AND WHAT WE'VE SEEN.

SO WE HAVE PROPERTY SEAWARD OF THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING NOW, PROPERTIES BETWEEN THE KCL LINE AND ADJACENT TO GULF SHORE BOULEVARD, NORTH AND SOUTH.

THIS THIRD BULLET IS A LITTLE BIT ODD. AND WE'LL GET TO THAT SLIDE PROPERTY SOUTH OF 20TH AVE, SOUTH BETWEEN THE KCL LINE AND ADJACENT TO GORDON DRIVE, BASICALLY PICKING UP WHERE GULF SHORE BOULEVARD SOUTH ENDS AND TRANSITIONS INTO GORDON.

THEN WE HAVE OUR OUR BOOKENDS. WE'VE GOT NAPLES CAY AND KEEWAYDIN ISLAND ON THERE AS WELL.

SO TO ZOOM IN A LITTLE BIT AND KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF, OF WHY WE WANT TO EXPAND THAT LINE OUT.

I JUST PICKED A RANDOM SPOT HERE TO, TO BEST DESCRIBE SOME OF THE CONCERNS WE'VE BEEN SEEING WHEN IT COMES TO LIGHTING AND SOME OF THE STRUGGLES WE'VE HAD FROM THE PERMITTING SIDE.

SO THE PROPOSED DISTRICT IS EVERYTHING SHADED IN THIS LIGHT, PURPLE OR PINK REACHING FROM THE BEACH EAST OF THE BASICALLY THE FIRST PROPERTY ADJACENT TO WHAT IN THIS CASE IS GULF SHORE BOULEVARD.

SO HISTORICALLY, WE WOULD ONLY BE SEEING REVIEWS ON THIS SIDE OF THE WEST OF THE CC LINE AND NOTHING EAST OF IT. NOW THERE'S HOMES AND ESPECIALLY ON ON OUR BEACH AND PROPERTIES THAT HAVE THESE HUGE LINES OF SIGHT TO THE BEACH ARE, ARE, CAN BE SOME OF OUR BIGGEST CONCERNS.

AND, AND WE'VE SEEN THAT FIRSTHAND. SO UP ON THE TOP RIGHT PHOTO HERE, WE HAVE I'M STANDING ON THE BEACH.

THERE'S A HOME THAT IS ON THE BEACH, DARK LIGHTS ARE OFF.

BEAUTIFUL. THEN THERE'S LIGHT EMANATING OUT FROM A HOUSE THAT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF GULF SHORE BOULEVARD THAT'S VISIBLE AND CAUSING GLOW THAT CAN NEGATIVELY IMPACT TURTLES ON THE BOTTOM.

WE HAVE DIRECTLY IN CUMULATIVELY VISIBLE LIGHT FROM A HOUSE.

THIS IS LOOKING DOWN A BEACH END, AND THIS HOUSE IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROAD AGAIN PRODUCING ACCENT OR UP UPLIGHTING AND AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL EXTERIOR LIGHTS ON THE HOME THERE.

AND YOU KNOW, THIS ISN'T THEIR FAULT IN THE SENSE THAT THEY JUST DIDN'T HAVE THE MECHANISM TO SAY, WE CAN'T DO THIS OR LET'S WORK WITHIN REASON TO GIVE YOU THE LIGHT YOU WANT.

THAT WON'T IMPACT HURDLES DURING DEVELOPMENT DURING THE PROPERTY.

YEAH. YEAH. SO THEY WERE NOT DIRECTED OR WE WEREN'T AWARE OF IT.

SO NOW IT BECOMES COMPLIANCE AND THEY HAVE TO RETROFIT.

YEAH. THIS NEXT SLIDE, I JUST WANTED TO ZOOM IN ON THE AREA WHERE WE TRANSITION.

AND I, WE WORKED A LOT ON TRYING TO WORD THIS IN A WAY THAT MADE SENSE, BUT I THINK A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS.

SO AGAIN, WE'RE TRANSITIONING FROM CAPTURING THE PROPERTIES ON THE EAST SIDE OF GULF SHORE BOULEVARD SOUTH AND THEN TRANSITIONING INTO GORDON DRIVE, MOVING SOUTH ALL THE WAY TO GORDON PASS. THE NEXT

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SO OUR CODE DOESN'T EXPLICITLY STATE OR ADDRESS INTERIOR LIGHTING, BUT WE KNOW THAT IT CAUSES HARM TO TURTLES. AND WE'VE SEEN THAT WE'VE SEEN THAT OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS. AND WE'VE SEEN THAT THIS YEAR AS WE'RE HATCHLINGS ARE DISORIENTATING TOWARDS INTERIOR LIGHTING, WHETHER THAT BE YOU KNOW, SOMEONE ACCIDENTALLY LEFT THE LIGHTS ON, WHETHER THAT'S A CONTRACTOR OR A CLEANER OR THESE ARE CONSTRUCTION LIGHTS OR WE DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE LEFT ON, BUT THEY'RE ON AND THEY'RE A PROBLEM.

SO THESE LIGHTS ARE SO POWERFUL THAT THEY, THEY DROWN OUT EVEN THE PROPER AND GOOD EXTERIOR LIGHTING THAT THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB ON, YOU KNOW, IN THIS BOTTOM LEFT PHOTO HERE.

AND IT'S EMANATING SO STRONGLY THAT IT'S A PROBLEM AND THIS IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAPPEN.

AGAIN, AS DESIGN AND TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED, HOW PEOPLE ARE CHOOSING TO LIGHT THE INSIDE OF THEIR HOMES IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE OLD STYLE BEACH BUNGALOWS THAT WE HAD BACK IN THE DAY.

SO THIS IS KIND OF AN UNFORTUNATE EXPECTATION IN A SENSE THAT IT IS NOT GOING TO GO AWAY.

AND WE REQUIRE IN NEW CONSTRUCTION OR DEVELOPMENT OR RENOVATION FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE A SPECIFIC TINTING ON THEIR WINDOWS. SO IT HAS TO HAVE 45% VISIBLE LIGHT TRANSMITTANCE OR LESS.

THIS DOES NOT ACT AS A BLACKOUT CURTAIN. SO THIS IS ANOTHER BIG MYTH THAT WE OFTEN HAVE TO BUST IS THAT, WELL, I SPENT ALL THIS MONEY ON THIS TURTLE GLASS, AND YOU'RE TELLING ME THAT I'M IN VIOLATION, AND I GET THAT. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY MITIGATE THAT WITHOUT CAUSING THEM TO TINT THEIR WINDOWS TO A REALLY LOW PERCENTAGE IS TO USE BLINDS, CURTAINS OR SHADES.

THE 45% CAN HELP. BUT AGAIN, WITH THE ADVANCES IN LED TECHNOLOGY AND HOW PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO LIGHT UP THE INTERIOR OF THEIR HOME, WHICH WE DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE BUSINESS OF TELLING ANYONE HOW TO DO THAT IS JUST GOING TO INCREASE THAT AMOUNT OF LIGHT.

AND AS WE HAVE THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT, EVERYBODY WANTS TO HAVE A GOOD VIEW OF THE BEACH.

SO THERE'S A LOT MORE WINDOWS AND A LOT MORE GLASS DOORS THAN HISTORICALLY ON.

AGAIN, SOME OF THOSE OLDER BEACH BUNGALOW, WHETHER THEY'RE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES OR CONDOS.

SO, SO THE BEST THING IS TO TURN OFF THE LIGHT IF YOU'RE NOT IN THE ROOM.

AGAIN, WE DON'T WANT TO TELL PEOPLE THEY HAVE TO LIVE IN THE DARK WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN, WHEN YOU'RE INSIDE YOUR HOME, IT'S TURN OFF LIGHTS YOU'RE NOT USING AND DRAW YOUR SHADES AND YOUR BLINDS TO TO MITIGATE THAT LIGHT.

SARAH, CAN WE STOP ON THAT ONE JUST TO, TO MAKE CLEAR.

REGARDLESS, IN CURRENT CODE, YOU MUST HAVE THE TINTING, THE BLINDS AND THE OTHER IS THE FULL PROOF PART OF WHAT YOU SHOULD SUPPLEMENT IT BY TO MAKE SURE. CORRECT. CORRECT. AND WHEREIN WE'RE GETTING THE PUSHBACK NOW FROM ATTORNEYS AND PROPERTY OWNERS IS THE FACT THAT THEY SAY, WHY SHOULD I PAY FOR THAT TINTED LIGHTING IF I CAN HAVE AUTOMATED, THERE'S MODERN TECHNOLOGY THAT GUARANTEES THOSE.

IS THAT WHERE WE'RE GETTING THE PUSHBACK? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I THAT AND COUNCIL'S AWARE OF THAT.

SO WHEN THEY'RE ANALYZING EVERYTHING THAT THAT'S PART OF THAT, THAT CONVERSATION.

SO. RIGHT. SO SO THAT IS A COMMON THING OF SOME FOLKS DON'T EVEN WANT THE 45%.

AND THEY OFFER UP DIFFERENT TYPES OF SOLUTIONS AND MITIGATE FOR THAT.

AND THE BIGGEST THING WITH THAT IS WE CAN'T BE LESS RESTRICTIVE THAN THE STATE.

SO THE STATE REQUIREMENT IS 45%. WE'VE SEEN NEARBY PROPERTIES TRY TO GO LOWER.

AND THAT DID NOT END WELL. IT'S CONFUSING. IT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE STATE.

THEY DON'T LIKE IT. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, LIKE I SAID, EVEN GOING LOWER ISN'T FOOLPROOF.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO AGAIN ALLOW PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT.

AND WE KNOW THAT INTERIOR LIGHTING WILL ALWAYS BE A CONSTANT STRUGGLE.

AND, AND SHORT OF NOT HAVING ALL THE GLASS, WHICH IS NOT IDEAL WHEN YOU LIVE ON THE BEACH BECAUSE YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE BEACH.

THIS IS WHERE WE KIND OF LANDED ON EXPANDING UPON THIS CRITERIA.

THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED THEM TO HAVE A LEVEL SET OF THE CONVERSATION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT, MR. YOUNG. SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS NEW PROPOSED WORDING.

YES. IF YOU LOOK AT UNDER EXISTING ARTIFICIAL LIGHTING, INTERIOR, APPLY TENT OR FILM THAT

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SO WHEN WE CREATED THE VERBIAGE FOR THIS, WE.

WE DID WANT TO SOMEWHAT MIRROR OUR CURRENT CODE IN THE SENSE OF IF YOUR NEW CONSTRUCTION.

YOU MUST HAVE THIS. AND IF YOUR EXISTING. PRIOR TO THIS CODE, HERE ARE.

HERE'S WHAT YOU CAN DO OR WHAT WE WOULD NEED YOU TO DO IN TURTLE SEASON TO BE COMPLIANT.

SO THAT'S JUST A RECOMMENDATION FOR INTERIOR LIGHTING FOR EXISTING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T ALREADY HAVE THE TINT, YOU COULD APPLY IT. WHETHER PEOPLE WILL WANT TO DO THAT OR NOT IS A DIFFERENT QUESTION.

SO WE HAVE OTHER ITEMS IN THERE TO KIND OF HELP MITIGATE THAT AS WELL.

BUT IN, IN THE PREVIOUS SECTION IN FOR UNDER SECTION THREE, IN THE, IN THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, IT IS OUTLINED TO BE 45%. BUT IF THAT'S A STATE LAW, YEAH.

WOULDN'T THAT FILM, WHATEVER IT IS NOW BE IN THAT CODE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T TELL ME IT SAYS JUST APPLY TENT OR FILM.

WELL THIS IS UNDER EXISTING. YEAH. SO CURRENTLY IN STATE CODE THEY DON'T REVIEW EXISTING CONDITIONS. THEY WOULD ONLY SEE NEW CONSTRUCTION WHEN THEY'RE GOING THROUGH.

SO IF IT'S ALREADY EXISTING, THEY WOULDN'T SEE IT, SO THEY WOULDN'T HAVE ANY MECHANISM TO REQUIRE ANYTHING FOR THE EXISTING.

WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MIRROR WHAT AM I RIGHT? OR DO THEY? YEAH. AND FOR EXISTING THIS SECTION REALLY IS GOING TO APPLY FOR PROPERTIES GOING FROM HOPEFULLY WHEN THIS ORDINANCE GETS ENACTED AT WHATEVER POINT THAT MIGHT BE.

SO THIS IS EXISTING WILL APPLY TO PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE PRIOR TO THIS GOING INTO EFFECT.

SO THERE MAY BE PROPERTIES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN RENOVATED IN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE VERY FEW, BUT THERE COULD STILL BE SOME THAT HAVEN'T EVEN BEEN RENOVATED SINCE THE ORIGINAL ORDINANCE. SO WHO KNOWS WHAT THEIR TINT APPLICATION IS CURRENTLY.

SO THIS IS JUST A SUGGESTION OF WHAT SOMEONE COULD DO IF THEY DON'T ALREADY MEET THAT REQUIREMENT.

AND THAT WOULD BE BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T PULLED A PERMIT TO UPDATE THOSE WINDOWS OR DOORS TO TO DO THAT.

RIGHT. AND THAT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE EXPANDING THE ZONE.

SO THERE'S NEW PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED BY THIS ORDINANCE THAT PRIOR, WOULDN'T THAT TOO.

YES. AND WHILE WE'RE ON THIS TOPIC, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT DOES ADDRESS THIS PROGRAM HEAVILY.

AND IN THE AMENDMENTS, IT ALSO TALKS ABOUT THE CHANGING THE LANGUAGE FROM COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE OR VISIBLE FROM THE BEACH. SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF NOT JUST THE STATE LAWS, BUT YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SUPPORTS, WHICH IS DRIVEN BY YOUR LOCAL LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES.

THIS IS REALLY IN LINE WITH YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS IT SITS NOW.

IN THE COASTAL MANAGEMENT ELEMENT. THANK YOU.

SCHULTZ HAD A QUICK QUESTION. WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME NOW IS IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH REALITY AS I SEE IT.

HOW DO WE MAKE THIS CASE? THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I LIVE IN NAPLES CAY, AND THERE'S SEA POINT, WHICH IS THE CONDOMINIUM RIGHT ON THE BEACH.

THEY'VE GOT BLUE POOL LIGHTS. WE WERE FORCED TO PUT BORDELLO RED INTO OURS.

GOT A PICTURE OF IT THERE. RIGHT ON THE BEACH.

WE ARE OVER 100 YARDS FROM THE BEACH. ELEVATED 55FT.

HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME HERE, BECAUSE IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH REALITY. I GOT A PICTURE OF IT RIGHT HERE IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE IT. I KNOW IT IS. HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME HERE.

BECAUSE IT'S NOT. THAT'S NOT REAL. SO THE PROPERTY ON THE BEACH THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO WITH THE BLUE POOL LIGHT.

I HAVEN'T SEEN A PERMIT FOR THAT. SO WHEN IT COMES TO THAT, THAT WOULD FALL UNDER CODE.

SO WHEN THINGS HAVE A PERMIT THAT GETS PULLED, WE REQUIRE THEM TO BRING IT UP TO THE STANDARD.

SO TO MY KNOWLEDGE THAT POOL HASN'T AND I CAN DO MORE RESEARCH AND LOOK FURTHER INTO THAT.

IT WAS RENOVATED AFTER THE HURRICANE. THEY HAD TO REBUILD THEIR POOL.

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IT'S REALLY ANNOYING. BORDELLO RED FOR THIS WHOLE 93 UNITS VERSUS BLUE.

IT'S ON THE BEACH IS JUST NONSENSE. WE USUALLY CATCH THEM DURING THE PERMITTING PROCESS.

SO A PERMIT WASN'T PULLED FOR THIS OR SOMETHING.

THEN IF IT WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN CAUGHT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO THE EAST SIDE OF OF GORDON DRIVE OR GULF SHORE AND THIS IS ON THE BEACH.

APPRECIATE IT, APPRECIATE IT. WE CAN LOOK INTO IT.

BUT IF WE DON'T, THIS IS REALLY ANNOYING TO EVERYBODY IN MY BUILDING IN IN NAPLES.

K HOW DO WE HAVE TO HAVE BORDELLO RED AND IT'S THE MOST HIDEOUS COLOR.

WHO COMES UP WITH THESE COLORS? IT'S A LONG WAVELENGTH.

SO SO YOU CAN FOLLOW UP WITH STAFF ON THAT. I THINK THIS IS JUST REALLY FRUSTRATING HEARING YOUR NONSENSE.

YEAH. BUT ISN'T THERE ISN'T RED. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT COLOR.

BUT ISN'T RED PART OF, OF THE TURTLE LIGHTING.

SO IT'S, IT'S THE LONG, IT GOES BACK TO THE LONG WAVELENGTH.

SO THOSE WAVELENGTHS PRODUCE WHAT APPEARS TO US TO BE EITHER RED, ORANGE OR YELLOW, DEPENDING ON THE MANUFACTURER'S SUFFOCATION.

IT CAN BE DISTORTED UNDERWATER, SO IT CAN. AND THE FINISH OF THE POOL AND THAT IT CAN YOU KNOW, SOME LOOK MORE YELLOW, SOME LOOK MORE MUTED. BUT THERE'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF FIXTURES, DIFFERENT TYPES OF MANUFACTURERS AND HOW THAT INTERACTS IN AN UNDERWATER POOL CAN VARY DEPENDING ON THE DESIGN OF THE POOL, THE SHAPE OF THE POOL AND THAT SORT OF THING.

WHAT IS THE ADDRESS? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU.

I WANT TO CONTINUE. YEAH. OKAY. SO THE NEXT AGAIN, BIG CHANGE THAT THAT IS MORE OF A CLARIFICATION AND EXPANSION ON WHAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DOING IS WHAT WE'RE CALLING NESTING HABITAT PROTECTIONS.

SO THIS GOES MORE OUT OF THE LIGHTING WORLD AND INTO PROTECTING THE HABITAT LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER.

SO BEACH EQUIPMENT, WHICH WE HAVE DEFINED IN OUR PROPOSED CODE TO BASICALLY CAPTURE ANYTHING THAT YOU MIGHT CARRY OUT WITH YOU ON THE BEACH, WHETHER THAT'S CHAIRS, LOUNGE CHAIRS, UMBRELLAS, ANY, ANYTHING LIKE THAT NEEDS TO BE STORED OFF OF THE BEACH DURING TURTLE SEASON.

SO IT DOES NOT HINDER NESTING TURTLES OR HATCHING TURTLES, AND IT CANNOT BE STORED IN THE DUNES.

SO WE NEED TO PROTECT THE HABITAT. WE CAN'T BE STORING OR TRAMPLING IN THE DUNE.

WE ALSO HAVE CAPTURED SPECIAL REQUIREMENTS FOR IRRIGATION.

HOPEFULLY WE'LL BE GETTING KIND OF AWAY FROM THIS NOW THAT OUR DUNES ARE BEGINNING TO BE MORE ESTABLISHED AFTER THE HURRICANES.

BUT NOT TO SAY THAT THIS WOULDN'T COME UP AGAIN IF IN UNFORTUNATE CIRCUMSTANCES, WE HAVE ANOTHER BAD HURRICANE THAT WIPES OUT OUR DUNE VEGETATION. AND AGAIN, WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO WATER THEIR DUNE PLANTINGS.

BUT WE WANT TO PUT SOME RESTRICTIONS AND GUIDELINES ON HOW AND WHEN AND WHERE THAT CAN HAPPEN DURING TURTLE SEASON.

WE DON'T WANT THESE UNINTENTIONALLY WATERING THIS BECAUSE THAT'S NOT GOOD.

AND THEN THE IRRIGATION LINE THEMSELVES CAN CAUSE FEMALE TURTLES TO GET ENTRAPPED AND CAUGHT UP IN THE LINES THAT ARE PLACED PRETTY SHALLOW OR ON TOP OF THE SAND THERE. AND THEN SPECIAL EVENTS. WE'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH CHAD AND HIS TEAM ON THIS.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE KIND OF WORK TO UPDATE THEIR PROTOCOLS TO MAKE SURE THAT ANYTHING THAT'S ON THE BEACH WERE INCLUDED ON AS PART OF THE REVIEW PROCESS.

SO WE CAN GIVE OUR FEEDBACK AS NEEDED DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF YEAR AND WHEN FOLKS ARE TRYING TO HAVE A BEACH EVENT.

AND THEN THE BIGGEST THING IS EDUCATION. SO WAS UPDATING.

THIS WILL ALSO BE A REALLY GREAT EDUCATIONAL TOOL TO SHARE WITH PEOPLE AND AND AGAIN, EDUCATE THEM ALONG THE WAY.

WE'VE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH COMMUNICATIONS.

MONIQUE AND ALEXIS HAVE BEEN AWESOME. THEY'VE PUT OUT A LOT OF INFORMATION IN OUR MONTHLY NEWSLETTERS AND MORE THAN JUST THE NUMBERS, BECAUSE NUMBERS CAN JUST KIND OF SLIP IN ONE EAR AND OUT THE OTHER.

BUT TYING IT BACK TO SOME REALLY SPECIAL STORIES AND RELATING IT BACK TO OUR BEACHES.

WE ALSO CHANGED UP HOW WE ARE DOING OUR ANNUAL NOTICING, IF YOU WILL, TO BEACHFRONT OR BEACH ADJACENT PROPERTIES

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SO PREVIOUSLY WE WERE SENDING OUT MAILERS CREATED BY, STUFFED BY, STAMPED BY OUR TEAM.

AND UNFORTUNATELY WE WERE GETTING A LOT OF RETURNS. SO THROUGH THIS PROGRAM, WE KNOW THAT THIS INFORMATION WAS DELIVERED.

IT'S THE KIND OF THING YOU GET IN THE MAIL AND YOU DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GOT IT.

BUT WE WENT THAT ROUTE SO WE COULD ENSURE THAT IT GOT DELIVERED TO EVERY DOORSTEP.

AND THE WAY THAT IT WAS HAS TO BE DONE. WE LUMP IN REGIONS OF THE ZIP CODE.

SO THIS ACTUALLY DID MAKE IT OUT TO MORE THAN JUST BEACHFRONT PROPERTIES.

IT WAS BEACHFRONT ADJACENT PROPERTIES ON THE MAIL ROUTE.

SO THAT WAS SOMETHING WE'RE PRETTY PROUD OF AS WELL.

AND JUST GETTING THE WORD OUT AS MUCH AS WE CAN IN DIFFERENT WAYS.

WE, WE, EVERY YEAR PARTNER WITH HEATHER AT HER TREE FEST, WHICH IS IN THE SUMMERTIME.

SO WE ARE ABLE TO REACH MORE PEOPLE THAT WAY JUST THROUGH PASSIVE EDUCATION AND TABLING AT THESE EVENTS.

WE ALSO WORKED WITH OUR PARTNERS AND LET THEM KNOW WHEN WE WERE CREATING THIS, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WERE LOOKING TO DO.

SO OUR PARTNERS AT COLLIER COUNTY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THIS.

THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ARE MONITORING THE BEACHES, SO IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE THEIR FEEDBACK. WE ALSO REACHED OUT TO THE CONSERVANCY OF SOUTHWEST FLORIDA WHO WERE GREAT. AND YOU KNOW, ANY CHANGE TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE IT MORE CLEAR ON HOW WE'RE ALREADY PROTECTING SEA TURTLES IS AWESOME. BUT I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT PEOPLE THAT WE WORKED WITH WERE THE SEA TURTLE CONSERVANCY.

AND YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED A LETTER LAST FRIDAY AFTERNOON FROM THEM STATING THEIR SUPPORT FOR THIS ORDINANCE.

SO THEY WORK VERY HEAVILY WITH A LOT OF COMMUNITIES IN DIFFERENT WAYS AS IT RELATES TO BEACHFRONT LIGHTING, WHETHER THAT'S THROUGH POLICY CHANGES SUCH AS CODE UPDATES OR EDUCATION, OR EVEN BEACHFRONT RETROFITTING OF OLDER PROPERTIES TO BRING THEM INTO COMPLIANCE THAT MAYBE DON'T HAVE THE MEANS TO DO THAT OR DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.

THEY ARE A LONG STANDING AGENCY. AND SO WE'RE VERY GLAD THAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO WORK WITH THEM AND THAT THEY'VE APPROVED THESE THESE PROPOSED CHANGES TO GO FORWARD. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

SO IF WE CAN HAVE QUESTIONS. STRONG WORK. THANK YOU.

I KNOW IT'S BEEN A YEAR IN THE MAKING. YES. SO QUESTIONS COUNCIL.

I HAVE BARTON AND KROLL. MINE'S MORE OF A PROCEDURAL QUESTION.

THAT WAS THAT JUMPED TO MY HEAD. IN LISTENING TO COUNCILMAN SCHULTZ'S ISSUES WITH THE PROPERTY IN FRONT OF HIM DOWN IN NORTH NAPLES YOU SAID THAT USUALLY THEY'RE PEOPLE THAT ARE. THE PROCESS IS THAT YOU CATCH THEM DURING THE PERMITTING AND CORRECT THE THE INCIDENT.

YEAH. OBVIOUSLY THIS ONE. WELL, ONE OF TWO THINGS.

ANYTHING I'M SAYING IS NOT ACCURATE. PLEASE LET ME KNOW. ONE OF TWO THINGS MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED HERE. YOU GUYS MISSED IT OR THEY THEY HAD IT PERMITTED PROPERLY AND THIS DIDN'T FOLLOW THE PROTOCOLS, RIGHT. THEY COULD HAVE PUT IN DIFFERENT LIGHTING AFTER THE FACT AND AND SAID, WE DON'T WANT THAT RED, THAT BORDELLO RED BECAUSE IT'S UGLY.

AND AS SOON AS THEY GOT THEIR PERMIT AND EVERYTHING WAS WAS CODE, THEY TURNED AROUND AND PUT A BLUE LIGHT IN INSTEAD. RIGHT.

OKAY. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS WHAT IS THE PROCEDURAL PROCESS FOR CORRECTING THAT BEHAVIOR? HOW, HOW DOES THAT PROPERTY GET BROUGHT INTO COMPLIANCE? DOES SOMEBODY NEED TO CALL? AND YOU SAID THE COUNTY IS IN CHARGE OF SOMETHING CALLED CODE ENFORCEMENT.

SAY, HEY, THIS IS NOT RIGHT. I'M MAKING A FORMAL COMPLAINT.

PLEASE SEND SOMEBODY DOWN THERE AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON.

OR WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR THAT? IT WOULD BE WE ENFORCE OUR OWN CODE.

OKAY. SO IT WOULD BE OUR CODE DEPARTMENT THAT WOULD GO OUT AND LOOK INTO IT.

OKAY. SO WHAT IT WOULD TAKE WOULD BE SOMEBODY IN THAT AREA, IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, SEEING A PROPERTY THAT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE AND CALLING OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT PEOPLE, THEY'D GO DOWN AND MAKE AN OBSERVATION, AND IF THEY'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE, THEN IT GETS ESCALATED FROM A CODE STANDPOINT.

AND THEY ARE THEY ARE COMPELLED TO GET TO TO BECOME COMPLIANT.

CORRECT. AND OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT STAFF IS HERE.

AND THEY CONDUCT WEEKLY SURVEYS DURING NESTING SEASON.

AND SO WHEN THEY SEE THESE ISSUES, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY NEED TO HAVE SOMEONE COME DOWN.

THEY CAN OBSERVE IT THEMSELVES AND SAY, OH, THIS IS NOT COMPLIANT. AND THEY'LL REACH OUT TO THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT IN COMPLIANCE.

AND THEY HAVE A PROCESS IN WHICH THEY WORK TOWARDS BRINGING THAT INTO COMPLIANCE.

THIS IS WHERE IT CAN GET A LITTLE TRICKY. IT'S JUST MORE SO WITH THE AMOUNT OF CONSTRUCTION THAT WE'VE HAD.

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AND HOW DO WE FIGURE OUT WHERE IT WENT WRONG, SO TO SPEAK? AND WORK TOWARDS COMPLIANCE THROUGH, THROUGH THAT MECHANISM.

OKAY. SO, SO, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED IN A, IN A NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE SOMEBODY SEEMS TO BE OUT OF COMPLIANCE.

AND I'M SAYING THIS OUT LOUD MORE FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION.

SO IF SOMEBODY'S FRUSTRATED IN A CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE ONE OF THEIR, ONE OF THEIR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTIES IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE THEY NEED TO CALL OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT AND SAY, HI, THIS, I BELIEVE THIS, THIS LOCATION IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE.

PLEASE SEND SOMEBODY DOWN THERE TO MAKE THEM COMPLIANT. YEAH.

AND WE DID HAVE AN INCREASE IN THAT I WOULD SAY LAST YEAR, MOSTLY BECAUSE WE WERE HAVING THIS RECORD NUMBER OF DISORIENTATIONS AND PEOPLE WERE UPSET.

I MEAN, EVERYONE'S UPSET. NOBODY WANTS TO RESPOND TO A DISORIENTATION AND SCRAPE UP A HATCHLING OFF THE ROAD LIKE A LITTLE PANCAKE.

LIKE NO ONE WANTS THAT. AND SO SOME PROPERTIES DID TAKE IT UPON THEMSELVES, WHETHER THEY WERE RESIDENTS OR PROPERTY MANAGERS, TO GO OUT AND POLICE THEMSELVES, THEIR OWN BUILDING AND OR THEIR NEIGHBORS AND SENT THAT TO US, WHICH IS GREAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS GO OUT ONCE A WEEK AND, AND THAT'S REALLY GOOD COMPARED TO A LOT OF OTHER AREAS IN OUR REGION AND EVEN AROUND THE STATE, WE ARE VERY LUCKY THAT THEY CAN GO OUT ONCE A WEEK, BUT IT JUST TAKES ONE LIGHT TO BE ON. AND THAT LIGHT MAY BE ON ONE NIGHT AND CAUSE A DISORIENTATION, AND THAT LIGHT ISN'T ON WHEN THEY'RE OUT THERE OBSERVING IT.

SO THIS IS WILL CONTINUE TO BE AN UPHILL BATTLE BECAUSE WE JUST HAVE SO MUCH DEVELOPMENT ON OUR BEACHES.

WELL, AND THAT'S THE POINT. YEAH. SO YOU NEED HELP FROM FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS AND FROM OUR RESIDENTS TO, TO LET YOU KNOW WHEN YOU GUYS CAN'T, YOU'RE WE DON'T HAVE A STAFF OF 150 PEOPLE THAT ARE WALKING THE BEACH EVERY NIGHT.

SO YOU GUYS CAN'T CHECK EVERY SINGLE LIGHT. WE DON'T WE SHOULDN'T EXPECT YOU TO DO THAT, WHICH IS WHY WE NEED OUR RESIDENTS TO HELP US AND INFORM YOU GUYS AND CODE ENFORCEMENT WHEN THEY BELIEVE SOMEONE'S NOT COMPLIANT. TO LET YOU LET STAFF KNOW AND MAKE SOMEBODY AWARE OF IT SO THAT SOMETHING CAN BE DONE ABOUT IT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. PEARL.

FIRST, I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PASSION AND KNOWLEDGE OF SEA TURTLES.

WE MAY HAVE A NICKNAME FOR YOU SOON, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT AND APPRECIATE WHAT YOU DO.

ON THE BACK OF THE ENFORCEMENT END OF THIS, I SEE WE HAVE MR. QUINCY IN YOUR IN THE AUDIENCE AND HE MAY WANT TO STEP UP AND MAYBE EVEN MY QUESTION IS, IS OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT, DO THEY HAVE THE TRAINING AND KNOWLEDGE ON WHAT TO LOOK FOR.

OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE REALLY KNOWLEDGEABLE. HAVE YOU DONE PRESENTATIONS IN FRONT OF CODE ENFORCEMENT? OR MAYBE MR. QUINCY CAN TELL US WHAT HOW HE FEELS ABOUT IT.

GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL.

YEAH. SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. I HAVE TWO CODE OFFICERS THAT WILL GO OUT WEEKLY.

WE HAVE SIX MILES OF BEACH SOUTH OF DOCTORS PASS AND THREE MILES NORTH OF DOCTORS PASS.

MY CODE OFFICER ON THE NORTH SIDE OF DOCTORS PASS. WE'VE DONE IT FOR FIVE YEARS. SO HE HE IS AWARE OF THE ISSUES THAT ARE OUT THERE.

AND WE'LL CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT POOL AND ADDRESS IT.

SO WHEN THOSE CASES ARE, YOU KNOW, AFTER THE FACT, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT WHERE OUR CODE IS.

SOME OF THIS IS WHAT IS HANDLED IN REVIEW AND WHAT'S THE ENFORCEMENT SIDE.

OBVIOUSLY PREVENTION AND REVIEW AND GETTING IT RIGHT DURING CONSTRUCTION IS THE NUMBER ONE THING.

ENFORCEMENT IS A LOT MORE DIFFICULT PATH TO GET THINGS RIGHT.

BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE THERE FOR. SO OUR OFFICERS WILL GO OUT AND PROACTIVELY PATROL.

THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE WALKING AROUND AT TEN, 11:00 AT NIGHT UNLESS YOU LIVE SOMEWHERE IN THAT SITUATION. SO THEY DRIVE THE BEACH.

LOOK. AND MY EXPECTATION IS THEY ADDRESS EVERY SINGLE LIGHT THAT IS IN VIOLATION ON A SCALE, BECAUSE I DID IT FOR TEN YEARS MYSELF TO ABOUT FROM 2008 TO ABOUT 2018.

SO I SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THE BEACH. AND I HAVE PICTURES OF ANY OF YOU LIKE TO SEE THEM FROM TEN YEARS AGO VERSUS NOW.

BACK THEN IT WAS VERY DARK. YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PARK SHORE AREA, VERY, VERY DARK.

THERE'S A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF APPETITE TO LIGHT THAT LIGHT. THE OUTSIDE OF PEOPLE'S HOUSES NOW.

SO IF YOU LOOK DOWN THE BEACH, EVERYTHING IS THAT ORANGE GLOW, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, FWC COMPLIANT.

HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, IN THE MIDST OF ALL OF THAT, YOU HAVE EMERGENCY LIGHTS, STAIRWELL LIGHTS, INTERIOR LIGHTS, YOU KNOW, PARKING LIGHTS. AND WITH THE DAMAGES FROM THE STORM, YOU SEE LIGHTS THAT YOU WE'VE NEVER SEEN BEFORE IN THE HISTORY.

IF YOU LOOK AT FIFTH AVENUE, WALK DOWN TO FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH, GO OUT IN THE BEACH.

I'VE GONE OUT ON THE BEACH WITH MY OFFICERS TO HELP TRAIN THEM. MY OFFICER ON THE SOUTH SIDE IS NEW,

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SARAH GOES OUT WITH THE OFFICERS AS WELL, SO WE GET A SECOND SET OF EYES TO BACK IT UP.

WHEN I WENT OUT ON THE BEACH THIS YEAR TO HELP MY OFFICER GET TRAINED, I LOOKED OUT AT FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH. MAN, IS IT REALLY BRIGHT. WELL, YOU LOOK DOWN, YOU CAN SEE FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH FROM THE BEACH.

YOU NEVER USED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT, JUST FROM THE DAMAGES, FROM THE STORMS AND HURRICANES. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE FIFTH AVE SOUTH BE ORANGE ALL THE WAY DOWN, BUT IT'S THE WHITE LIGHT COMES ALL THE WAY TO THE BEACH.

SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A IT'S AN ONGOING PROCESS FOR FOREVER PROCESS.

WHEN WE START OFF THE YEAR, YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS TELL THE GUYS HIT EVERYBODY REALLY HARD TO START IN MAY.

SO WE GET THE BETTER COMPLIANCE. AND THEN IT'S A MATTER OF MAINTENANCE AS THE SEASON GOES.

SO THEY MIGHT HAVE 30 OR 40 ISSUES ON THEIR FIRST TOUR OF THE BEACH IN THE FIRST WEEK OF MAY, AND THEN THEY'LL START TAPERING OFF FROM THERE. THERE'S ALWAYS LIGHTS THAT COME ON AND OFF AND AND CHANGE, BUT THAT'S SORT OF OUR PROGRAM, HOW WE GET THERE.

YOU KNOW, WE TAKE IT PERSONALLY IF A LIGHT IS ON, YOU KNOW, BACK TEN YEARS AGO, MY GOAL WAS ZERO DISORIENTATIONS.

WE NEVER REALLY I THINK WE HIT IT ONCE, BUT FOR, FOR, FOR THE WHOLE SUMMER YOU KNOW, MOST TIME YOU'D HAVE SIX OR 8 OR 10.

NOW THERE'S, YOU KNOW, DOZENS AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET ANOTHER YEAR WITHOUT A HURRICANE.

THINGS, THINGS WILL GROW BACK AND GET BETTER. BUT YOU KNOW, WE ARE OUT THERE PROACTIVELY LOOKING CONSTANTLY.

AND THEY DO AND THEY DO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY. SO I HOPE THAT KIND OF HELPS WITH THE, THE PROCESS AND THE PROGRAM.

EVERY WEEK WE HAVE ONE, WE HAVE A, YOU KNOW, OVER THE HISTORY OF NAPLES, I THINK THERE'S BEEN A HESITATION TO TAKE SEA TURTLE CASES IN FRONT OF THE CODE BOARD. THERE HASN'T BEEN A LOT FOR, FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ONE ON THURSDAY AND, YOU KNOW, I ENCOURAGE MY GUYS TO INCREASE ENFORCEMENT, ESPECIALLY IF PEOPLE YOU KNOW, ARE HAVING A HARD TIME TURNING THESE LIGHTS OFF.

HEY, BILL, HOW MANY CASES DID YOU HAVE THIS THIS SEASON? I'M GOING TO HAVE TO TALLY IT UP. IT'D BE LIKE 100 A TURTLE.

A TURTLE. TURTLE. TURTLE, TURTLE. OKAY. YEAH.

GREAT, GREAT. ALL RIGHT. BUT RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, MY MY MY CODE.

I TALKED TO THEM ABOUT WHAT THEY SAW THE NIGHT BEFORE ON THE NORTH END OF TOWN.

YOU KNOW, BESIDES THIS, HE MY OFFICER HASN'T BEEN FINDING A LOT IN THE LAST MONTH OR SO.

HE'S WORKED, YOU KNOW, ON THE NORTH END IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT.

YOU HAVE THE LARGE BUILDINGS AND PROPERTY MANAGERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. HE CAN TALK TO VERSUS THE SOUTH END, WHICH IS A LOT MORE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND TRYING TO REACH PEOPLE OUT OF TOWN USUALLY. SO THE NORTH HAS BEEN PRETTY GOOD LATELY, BUT WE STILL GET DISORIENTATIONS THERE.

THERE'S JUST A LOT. THERE IS A LOT OF LIGHT THERE. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT WE WHAT WE CAN CONTROL ARE THESE BRIGHT WHITE LIGHTS, THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE LIKELY TO CAUSE DISORIENTATION. AND THAT'S WHERE WE ALWAYS TRY TO DO A BETTER JOB GETTING GETTING THE COMMUNICATION OUT THERE. GREAT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU BILL. CAN YOU REMIND US WHAT IT'S FROM? THE SEASON IS FROM MAY. MAY 1ST TILL HALLOWEEN.

I'M SORRY. OCTOBER 31ST. THANK YOU. AND DOESN'T IS THERE A LIGHTING CODE FOR FIFTH AVENUE? THAT THEY HAVE TO TAKE DOWN THEIR CHRISTMAS LIGHTS AT A CERTAIN TIME? NO, I THINK THEY CHANGED. THE COUNCIL CHANGED THAT A FEW YEARS AGO.

IT USED TO BE. BUT THOSE LIGHTS ARE. SOME OF THEM ARE CITY SPONSORED LIGHTS, BUT NOW THEY CAN HAVE WHITE ICE COLD LIGHTING AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

BUT THAT'S NOT TURTLE LIGHTING. THAT'S A NO, I REALIZE THAT, BUT YOURS.

THANK YOU. WELL, MY MY COMMENT ABOUT FIFTH AVENUE WAS JUST A MATTER THAT THE VEGETATION AND THE BEACH HAS NATURE OF THE BEACH HAS CHANGED.

IT'S NO BRIGHTER OR LESS BRIGHT THAN IT USED TO BE, YOU KNOW, AND IN GENERAL.

BUT YOU COULDN'T SEE IT FROM THE BEACH. JUST AS WE WERE TALKING HERE, THERE'S LOTS AND LOTS OF LIGHTS THAT HISTORICAL HOMES.

AND THAT'S THE DIFFICULTY OF ENFORCEMENT. SOMEONE'S HAD THEIR HOUSE FOR 20 YEARS WITH THOSE LIGHTS, AND NOW YOU CAN SEE THEM FROM THE BEACH, AND THEY COULD CAUSE A DISORIENTATION AND THEY COULD BE IN VIOLATION NOW, AND THEY NEVER HAVE BEEN. AND THAT'S DUE TO THE STORMS. THANK YOU. GREAT. GREAT QUESTION FOR SARAH. OTHER THAN LIGHTING, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT MAY BE CRITICAL TO THIS DISORIENTATION ISSUE THAT WE HAVE? NO, IT'S IT IS LIGHTING, SO IT DISRUPTS THEIR NATURAL CUES.

SO KIND OF GOING BACK TO LIKE THEIR BIOLOGY, THEY, THEIR INSTINCTS ARE TO GO TO THE BRIGHTEST HORIZON, WHICH SHOULD BE THE GLOW OF WHETHER THAT BE THE MOON OR THE STARS ON THE WATER.

SO, SO THAT'S WHAT THEIR NATURAL INSTINCT IS TO DO.

SO WHEN THERE'S A BRIGHT WHITE LIGHT SOMEWHERE IN THE VICINITY THAT'S GOING TO OVERPOWER THE NATURAL CUE.

NO MATTER HOW LIT THE WATER MAY BE FROM THE STARS AND THE MOON, BECAUSE THAT'S MORE POWERFUL THAN THE NATURAL CIRCUMSTANCE.

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SO SO ANYTHING TO HELP SHIELD THE LIGHTING LIKE, LIKE MORE SEA GRAPES PLANTED OR WHATEVER.

ABSOLUTELY. IT WOULD BE BEST FOR, FOR IF YOU TALK TO ABOUT THIS AT ALL.

YEAH. SO THE VEGETATION IS REALLY CRUCIAL AND IMPORTANT.

AND WE LEARNED THAT LESSON AFTER HURRICANE IAN, WHERE THE WHOLE COASTLINE WAS JUST DECIMATED.

AND IT WASN'T JUST THE DUNE PLANTINGS, IT WAS PEOPLE'S EVEN UP IN THEIR YARD BEYOND THE DUNE, THE SEAWALL, WHATEVER REALLY MATURE LANDSCAPING GONE.

AND SO THAT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME TO COME BACK TO THAT LEVEL.

AND I THINK WE'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB OF WORKING WITH THE COUNTY AND EVEN THE BOTANICAL GARDENS TO GET US IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR DUNE PLANTINGS. AND AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, I WOULD SAY THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DO LIKE SOME SORT OF SCREENING OR LANDSCAPING IN THEIR BACKYARD, BECAUSE IT KIND OF GIVES THEM THE MORE PRIVACY.

BUT AGAIN, THAT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME TO MATURE TO THAT POINT.

AND SO WHEN WE'RE DOING OUR REVIEWS, WE APPRECIATE WHEN PEOPLE SAY, WELL, I WON'T BE AS VISIBLE BECAUSE I'M GOING TO HAVE ALL THIS LANDSCAPING AND, AND THAT WILL HELP. BUT WE DON'T DO OUR REVIEWS BASED ON THAT.

KNOWING THAT LANDSCAPING ISN'T PERMANENT, IT WILL TAKE TIME TO GET TO THAT POINT OR THINGS CHANGE AND THEY DECIDE THEY DON'T LIKE IT AND THEN THEY RIP IT OUT.

YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT'S A NEW OWNER OR JUST CHANGING, CHANGING THEIR MIND.

SO IT'S HELPFUL AND WE ENCOURAGE IT, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO RELY ON IT.

IS THERE A. I LOOKED AT THE REVISIONS AND. IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING BECAUSE ALL THOSE CROSS OUT LINES.

OH MY GOD, DON'T CROSS THAT OUT WHEN YOU READ IT. IT'S LIKE, WHY IS THIS CROSSED OUT? BUT IS THERE ANYTHING IN THE NEW NEW WRITE UP THAT IS WEAKEN TURTLE PROTECTION FROM THE OLD CODE? NO. IT'S STRENGTHENED. BASICALLY, BASICALLY YOU SAY IT'S STRONGER IN REINFORCING WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING.

WE'RE JUST FOLLOWING THE STATE REGULATIONS AND GUIDELINES.

BUT THEY ARE JUST NOT SPELLED OUT IN OUR EXISTING CODE.

SO THIS IS SPELLING THAT OUT. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH AGAIN. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR.

THANK YOU. THANKS FOR ALL OF THIS. IT'S GREAT.

HAVE YOU SOUGHT OUT OR RECEIVED INPUT FROM THE CONDO ASSOCIATIONS ALONG THE BEACH, LIKE GSAC OR THE MIRACLE MILE GROUP? PARTICULARLY WITH SOME OF THE NEW CRITERIA AND TO GET THEIR INPUT.

NOT THE MIRACLE MILE. I KNOW A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, WE DID HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH SOME OF THE FOLKS WHO WERE CAME OUT ONCE OR TWICE DURING A NIGHT INSPECTION AND WERE PRETTY APPALLED WITH HOW BRIGHT THE LIGHTS WERE.

AND, AND GRANTED, I THINK WE MAY HAVE BEEN OUT IF I REMEMBER, IT WAS COLD, SO IT WASN'T TURTLE SEASON.

SO THERE IS INEVITABLY GOING TO BE MORE LIGHT ON OUT OF SEASON BECAUSE THAT'S OUR PEOPLE SEASON, YOU KNOW. BUT THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE AT THAT TIME OF MAKING SURE WE'RE GETTING AS MUCH COMPLIANCE AS POSSIBLE.

AND I BELIEVE EVEN LAST YEAR WE HAD SOME COMMUNICATIONS WITH THEM AND THEY ALSO PUT OUT IN THEIR NEWSLETTERS SOME INFORMATION ON, ON WHAT'S HAPPENING AND HOW THEY CAN HELP. AND THAT'S ACTUALLY WHERE I THINK WE BEGAN TO SEE MORE OF THAT SELF-POLICING, IF YOU WILL, FROM SOME OF THOSE CONDOS AND PROPERTIES.

YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO GET THEIR INPUT ON THE TRANSITION AND IMPLEMENTATION AND ENFORCEMENT.

YOU KNOW, JUST AND HOW WE COMMUNICATE THE CHANGES BECAUSE WE WOULD RELY HEAVILY ON THEM.

AND IT LOOKED LIKE THE HIGH RISE CONDOS ARE A SIGNIFICANT CONTRIBUTOR TO SOME OF THE LIGHTING ISSUES.

IT'S JUST MORE ROOM FOR LIGHT. THERE'S JUST MORE OPPORTUNITY.

I DON'T WANT TO POINT FINGERS OR MAKE ANYONE FEEL BAD.

LANDSCAPING CAN'T GO UP. YEAH. WELL, YEAH, EXACTLY THAT TOO.

AND I THINK IN MOST CASES THEY WANT TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

THEY JUST NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT THING IS AND HOW THEY CAN HELP US.

LET'S SEE. SO THERE ARE, IT LOOKS LIKE SOME NEW CRITERIA AROUND THE INDIRECT LIGHTING AND THE CONCENTRATION OF LIGHTING. SO WHAT WILL BE THE TRANSITION RULES FOR EXISTING PROPERTIES? HOW LONG WILL THEY HAVE TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE? ONLY WHEN THEY PULL A PERMIT. SO IF THEY'RE PULLING A PERMIT TO UPDATE OR RENOVATE AN EXISTING PROPERTY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO THEN CONFORM. AND THAT LOOKS DIFFERENT FOR EVERY SINGLE PROPERTY DEPENDING ON THE SCOPE OF WORK.

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SO IF AND WHEN THIS GOES INTO EFFECT, THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE EXISTING WOULD JUST NEED TO CONFORM WITHIN TURTLE SEASON JUST LIKE IT IS NOW. SO WHETHER THAT BE THEY HAVE TO TURN CERTAIN LIGHTS OFF BY SUNSET OR REPOSITION THINGS OR MODIFY.

BUT THE SECOND THEY COME IN FOR A PERMIT, THEY'D HAVE TO BRING THAT UP TO CODE JUST LIKE YOU WOULD FOR ANY OTHER BUILDING CODE.

YOU KNOW WE WANT TO TREAT THIS THE SAME AS THAT.

AND WE HAVE BEEN IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT AND TAKES SOME GETTING USED TO, YOU KNOW, COMPARED TO OTHER BUILDING CODES. AND I THINK FOR EXISTING PROPERTIES, UNLESS THERE'S A COMPLAINT, UNLESS CODE ENFORCEMENT IS CALLED ON THEM, THEY AND, YOU KNOW, WE ASSUME THEY'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING OR THEY'RE FOLLOWING, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S BEEN ACCEPTABLE TO THIS POINT.

SO IT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO PARTNER WITH GSAC AND OTHERS BECAUSE LIKE, IF AN INDIVIDUAL CONDO OWNER DECIDES TO REDO THEIR CONDO AND NOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, THEY WOULD COME IN WITH THEIR WINDOWS, BUT THEN THEIR NEIGHBOR, WHO'S BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE, DOESN'T IT? YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NECESSARILY SOLVE THE WHOLE PROBLEM.

YEAH. AND IT COULD BE AN ISSUE OF PERCEIVED ISSUE OF FAIRNESS.

SO MAYBE THEY CAN HELP US SORT OUT HOW AND MAYBE SOME OF THE CONDO BUILDINGS THEMSELVES CAN ALTER THEIR OWN RULES FOR.

AND WE'VE SEEN THAT, WE'VE SEEN THAT AND WE'VE SEEN THEM, YOU KNOW, SAY THEY'RE GOING TO PUT NEW WINDOWS IN THE ENTIRE BUILDING.

THEY HAVE THEIR OWN STANDARDS FOR THOSE WINDOWS.

SO THEY LIKE TO BE CONSISTENT AND STUFF THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PROCESS.

OR A RULE THAT EVERYBODY HAS TO CLOSE THEIR DRAPERIES BETWEEN THESE HOURS TO AVOID THE ISSUE.

SO I THINK PARTNERING WITH THEM, I THINK COULD BE HELPFUL IN COMING UP WITH PRACTICAL SOLUTIONS.

SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. I WOULD YES, SCHULTZ IN OUR BUILDING.

IT'S IN THE ELEVATORS, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BULLETIN BOARD, THINGS IN THERE.

AND SO WITH THE SUNSET HAPPENS IN ABOUT 15, 20 MINUTES AFTER ALL THE SHUTTERS GO DOWN.

OH THAT'S AWESOME. AND THAT'S THAT. YEAH. THAT'S HOW WE'VE DONE IT OURSELVES.

WE'RE VERY STRONG PROPONENTS FOR SEA TURTLE. BUT WE SEE THIS STUFF OVER THERE.

IT'S JUST CRAZY. BUT THAT'S HOW WE DEALT WITH IT.

YEAH. IT'S IT'S AN UPHILL BATTLE. AND YOU KNOW, THE HURRICANES DIDN'T DO US ANY FAVORS.

AND IT THIS WILL, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY AFTER. KNOCK ON WOOD A CALM COUPLE OF YEARS, WE CAN GET OUR FOOTING AGAIN AND HAVE A NEW NORMAL. AND I THINK HAVING THIS ORDINANCE KIND OF EXPANDING OUT, MAKING SURE THOSE PROPERTIES THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT NOW WE CAN BRING INTO COMPLIANCE THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS WILL ONLY MAKE IT BETTER GOING FORWARD.

MR. YOUNG. SO WHAT? I JUST GUESS I WANT TO GET TWO THINGS.

I WANT TO PUBLICLY DISCUSS THAT. SO HAVING A DISTRICT CROSS TO THE EAST SIDE OF GULF SHORE BOULEVARD, INCLUDING THAT IN THE VERSION THAT GOES TO P, A B, AND UNDERSTANDING THAT MAKES IT BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE VISIBLE FROM THE BEACH.

THINK ABOUT VISIBLE FROM THE BEACH. TODAY WASN'T THE SAME AS PRE IAN.

AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FIVE YEARS FROM NOW.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT LANGUAGE AND WE HAVE A CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD IN THAT WAY SO THAT WE ARE DOING YOUR BIDDING AS IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU WANT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT SO WE CAN CARRY THIS FORWARD TO PAB.

THANK YOU. AND THAT'S GOOD TRANSPARENCY. SO THAT WE'RE AWARE OF THERE MIGHT BE COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVE FROM THE PUBLIC, BUT YES, WE SUPPORT THAT. CAN I HAVE A YES. KRAMER.

I HATE TO GO LONGER. YOU GUYS ARE DOING AWESOME.

IS THAT GOING TO NECESSITATE MORE MAN HOURS? I'M JUST ASSUMING IT WOULD.

NO, I MEAN, WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PAB.

YOU KNOW, I THINK THE THE GOOD THING IS, IS THE WAY OUR ENFORCEMENT WORKS IS TRYING TO GET COMPLIANCE WITH IT'S REALLY OSTENSIBLY COMPLIANCE ON PREEXISTING BY MASSAGING COMPLIANCE OUT OF THEM.

SO I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO ADD RESOURCES TO IT.

WE JUST NEED TO BE DILIGENT ABOUT IT. AND THEN AND THEN ALSO HAVE AN EDUCATION CAMPAIGN A LITTLE BIT AFTER ITS PASSAGE SO THAT EVERYONE'S AWARE BEFORE WE GO OUT.

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SO, AND TO GO OFF OF THAT TOO, I CREATED THIS BOUNDARY AND LAYER IN GIS.

AND WE'VE TALKED WITH INTERNALLY WITH STAFF THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO INCORPORATE THIS INTO THE INTERACTIVE MAP SO IT'S ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC SO THEY CAN SEE WHERE THAT BOUNDARY IS AS WELL, SO THAT FOLKS CAN KNOW IF THEY ARE IN OR OUT OF THAT BOUNDARY.

AND IT'S NOT ALL OF A SUDDEN A SURPRISE WHEN THEY COME IN FOR A PERMIT REVIEW THAT THEY ARE NOW LUMPED IN.

BUT THAT COMBINED WITH AN EDUCATION CAMPAIGN, WILL HOPEFULLY CURTAIL ANY SURPRISES.

THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S GOOD. WE HAVE ONE PUBLIC SPEAKER, KATHY WORLEY, AND WHILE SHE'S COMING FORWARD, I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM ALSO SO THE CONTRACTS THAT FROM VENDORS ON THE BEACH THAT WILL PROBABLY NEED FURTHER REQUEST FOR THEM TO MAKE SURE THEIR EQUIPMENT'S NOT ON THE BEACH.

THAT'LL HAVE TO BE A CHANGE. OUR SPECIAL EVENTS MANUAL AND APPLICATIONS I'M SURE NEED TO BE UPDATED.

THE DRB HANDBOOK CODE THAT REFERENCES THAT NEEDS TO BE UP THE DESIGN REVIEW HANDBOOK.

ALL OF THAT WOULD BE UPDATED AFTER THE CHANGE GETS PLACED.

OKAY, I'M JUST CHECKING. AND THEN HOW IT RELATES TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT KNOWING THROUGH BUILDING, I MEAN THROUGH THE PERMIT AND THE BILL. YEAH. AND THAT'S THE THING TOO.

MR. KROLL HAD ASKED THE POINT, I BELIEVE WHEN SAID, WHAT ABOUT ENFORCEMENT? BUT THE FIRST AND SARAH HAD ALLUDED TO IT, THE FIRST PART OF IT IS HOW DID IT HAPPEN IN THE FIRST PLACE? THE SECOND PART IS MAKING. AND THEN THAT TAKES ITS OWN PATH, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THE PERMIT WAS PUT IN AND IT DIDN'T MAKE ITS WAY TO THE RIGHT PLACE OR, YOU KNOW, OR, AND MISTAKES HAPPEN. SO THAT.

BUT IT'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN IS IT A PROCESS MISTAKE OR DID IT JUST GET OVERLOOKED? AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO SOLVE THAT.

AS WE'VE TALKED WITH OUR I DIDN'T SAY THIS CLEARLY.

WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT ABOUT THESE CHANGES.

AND IT'S IT'S A SOLVABLE PROBLEM. YEAH. YOU DID, YOU SAID.

AND WHERE IT WENT WRONG? OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.

AND THEN SO THEN THOSE CHANGES IN THOSE CODES WILL ALSO COME BACK TO US.

OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS KATHY WORLEY.

I'M FROM THE CONSERVANCY OF SOUTHWEST FLORIDA.

I'M THE DIRECTOR OF SCIENCE, AND I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK YOUR STAFF AND YOU ALL FOR ACTUALLY TAKING THIS ISSUE ON.

IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT THING TO SOLVE. I UNDERSTAND IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY READING THAT THE PROPOSED LANGUAGE IT'S GOING TO ELIMINATE THE VERBIAGE.

ALL LIGHTS SHALL BE EXTINGUISHED BETWEEN NINE AND SUNRISE.

WOULD IT DELETE THAT VERBIAGE CURRENTLY. AND IF IT DOES I WOULD SUGGEST YOU LEAVE THAT IN THERE JUST AS AN OPTION BECAUSE THE BEST SOLUTION IS NO LIGHTS FROM A CERTAIN POINT OF VIEW. THE OTHER THING IS YOU KNOW, AND WE DO THE CONSERVANCY REALLY DOES APPLY TO YOU GUYS STRENGTHENING THE LANGUAGE AND MAKING IT CLEAR BECAUSE IT IS REALLY AS WRITTEN NOW IS NOT WHAT IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND FOR THE PUBLIC, PUT IT THAT WAY.

AND WE MONITOR KEY WADEN ISLAND. WE HAVE A DIFFERENT PROBLEM.

IAN HURRICANE IAN BASICALLY WIPED OUT THE VEGETATION.

SO WE'RE SEEING THE SAME THINGS THAT YOU ALL ARE ON THE BEACH, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY, AT LEAST FROM WHERE THE CITY PROPER ZONING IS EXTENDS TO IN KEEWAYDIN. IT'S MORE OF AN URBAN GLOW.

SO ANYTHING YOU CAN DO THAT LESSENS THAT OR URBAN GLOW IS GREAT, BUT IT DOES BECOME A MORE OF A, NOT JUST A, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER LIVES ON THE BEACH PROBLEM, BUT MORE OF A CITY AND A COUNTY PROBLEM, BECAUSE IT'S THE GLOW THAT IS CAUSING A LOT OF OUR PROBLEMS RIGHT NOW.

WE DIDN'T HAVE AT LEAST ON KEEWAYDIN. AND ONE THING THAT I'M HAPPY TO HEAR IS THAT YOU GUYS ARE ACTUALLY MONITORING FOR VIOLATIONS. AND BUT IF THEY'RE NOT ENFORCED, IT'S GOING TO BE A MOOT POINT.

AND THERE'S THE STICKY WICKET IS TRYING TO GET ENFORCEMENT ON THIS.

AND AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR HEARING THIS ISSUE AND GOOD LUCK TO YOU.

THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE WITH DARK SKIES.

HELP WITH THAT LIGHTING. OH, YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

[03:45:06]

THANK YOU, MR. QUINCY. JUST SET IT RIGHT THERE.

YEAH. MIKE ROGAN, GULF SHORE BOULEVARD. I HAVE A QUESTION THAT I WOULD LIKE THE COUNCIL TO ASK THIS GENTLEMAN.

I LIVE ON THE BEACH IN A HIGH RISE. I DO WHAT THE HELL I WANT IN LIFE, I ALWAYS HAVE.

IS THERE A FILTER OR A FILM I COULD PUT ON MY CONDOMINIUM WHERE I WOULD GET THE MOST DESIRABLE ANTI SCREW WITH THE LITTLE HATCHLINGS? IF THERE IS SUCH AN ANIMAL OUT THERE, THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE ME AROUND. WE COULD START A MARKETING PROGRAM IS, HEY, SIT AT THE COOL KIDS TABLE AND.

MAYOR. I THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME ADD. YES. THANK YOU.

WE'LL MAKE SURE. I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE CRITERIA I SAW IN THERE.

MISS NORRIS? YES. SO TINTING FILM CAN BE ADDED.

IT CAN BE DONE IN DIFFERENT WAYS. SO IT CAN BE DONE THROUGH THE GLASS MANUFACTURING PROCESS WHERE IT'S KIND OF BUILT IN WITH THE GLASS ITSELF, OR THERE CAN BE FILM ADDED AFTER THE FACT. AND THERE'S DIFFERENT MANUFACTURERS AND DIFFERENT PRODUCTS THAT CAN HELP CUT DOWN ON THAT VISIBLE LIGHT TRANSMITTANCE WHILE ALSO MAYBE GIVING THE ESTHETICS FROM THE OUTSIDE THAT IS DESIRED AS WELL. SO THERE'S, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS OUT THERE.

SO IT, IT IS POSSIBLE. YES. OKAY. THANK. AND I WOULD IMAGINE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL AS, AS OUR VICE MAYOR HAD MENTIONED EARLIER THROUGH EDUCATION, THROUGH THE ASSOCIATIONS, THROUGH, YOU KNOW, TO TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY PUT IN THEIR NEWSLETTERS SPECIFICALLY THAT TYPE OF FILM AND WHERE, WHERE CAN BE PURCHASED, WHO CAN PURCHASE IT, YOU KNOW, WHAT TYPE, WHAT CONTRACTORS MIGHT DO IT HERE IN TOWN, YOU KNOW, THAT TYPE OF THING.

AGAIN, EDUCATION IS, IS GOING TO BE THE KEY TO THIS PROCESS.

I'LL JUST ADD ONE THING ABOUT CONDOS JUST FROM MY FIRE REVIEW DAYS, THEY DO LIKE UNIFORMITY SO THAT EVEN WHEN WHEN SOMEONE PUTS IN NEW WINDOWS, THE ASSOCIATION HAS TO APPROVE IT. SO BE VERY DIFFICULT TO DO THIS ONE PIECEMEAL, ONE AT A TIME.

NO ONE'S GOING TO WANT TO HAVE LIKE A DARK WINDOW, LIGHT WINDOW ALL OVER A BEAUTIFUL HIGH RISE.

SO, AND THAT'S PART OF THAT REVIEW PROCESS, I THINK WOULD HAVE TO BE A, YOU KNOW, ONE BUILDING AT A TIME TYPE OF THING BECAUSE IT DOES, IT DOES LOOK ODD. I'VE SEEN IT WHERE SOMEONE PUT A NONCOMPLIANT WINDOW IN AND IT LOOKS VERY OFF.

SO I'M SURE THAT'LL BE SOMETHING FOR THE G SECTION GOING FORWARD, BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO MEET THE STATE REQUIREMENTS.

CORRECT? THEY MEET THE STATE REQUIREMENT. BUT IF RIGHT NOW, IF SOMEONE BOUGHT FILM AND MADE THEIR WINDOW, YOU KNOW, BLACK OUT VERSUS A BLIND WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER SOLUTION THAN JUST TINTING YOUR WINDOWS ON YOUR OWN, BECAUSE I THINK THE CONDO ASSOCIATIONS WOULD NOT LIKE THAT.

GOT IT. YEAH. AND I'VE, I THINK THERE'S AND IT CAN VARY CONDO TO CONDO.

I THINK I'VE SEEN SOME THAT MAY SET STANDARDS ON WHERE AND WHAT TYPES OF WINDOWS YOU CAN REPLACE YOURS WITH TO ENSURE THAT UNIFORMITY WHILE ALSO MEETING THE TURTLE CODE.

SO WHETHER THAT'S LIKE A CERTAIN DISTRIBUTOR OR A CERTAIN TYPE OF GLASS MAKEUP, WHERE THE TINT WILL STILL MEET THE TURTLE CODE, BUT IT'LL BE MANUFACTURED WITHIN THE GLASS AS THE SAME WAY AS YOUR NEIGHBOR, SO THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK SILLY FROM THE BEACH OR ESTHETICALLY, UNPLEASING TO THOSE WHO CARE. THANK YOU. EXCELLENT WORK.

MISS NORRIS AND FROM THE WHOLE TEAM THAT HELPED IN GETTING THIS HERE.

AND THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU.

STRONG WORK. OKAY, THAT THAT CONCLUDES ITEM SIX B.

WE NEED TO TAKE A 20 MINUTE BREAK FOR LUNCH, AND WE'LL RETURN AT 1:00.

OKAY. WE'RE BACK FROM OUR BREAK AND WE'RE CONTINUING ON WITH ITEM SIX C.

[6.C) Discussion and Direction Regarding the Conceptual Streetscape Master Planning along the Miracle Mile located between 1065 and 2150 Gulf Shore Boulevard North.]

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AND I KNOW THIS IS WAS, WAS ON THE PRIORITY LIST AND ACTUALLY IRONICALLY CAME UP AS IS NUMBER ONE ON, ON AFTER ALL OF THE SCORING ON IT. SO IT WAS ALREADY SCHEDULED TO BE ON THE LIST AND SCHEDULED FOR THIS MEETING DATE.

SO THAT WORKED OUT FORTUITOUSLY. BUT WHAT I WANTED TO DO FIRST WAS TO LEVEL SET, LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE CAME FROM TO WHERE WE ARE, AND THEN HAVE DISCUSSIONS A LITTLE BIT OVER THE MEETINGS WE HAD THIS WEEKEND.

SO AS YOU KNOW, HURRICANE IAN HIT THIS COMMITTEE WAS FOUNDED, AND THEN THERE WAS CONCEPTUAL DISCUSSIONS, AND ALLISON AND MIGUEL ARE HERE, AND THEY'LL GO THROUGH THOSE A LITTLE BIT.

BUT THEN WHEN WE JUST BEFORE WE CAME TO THE SUMMER BREAK AND WE KNEW THIS WAS A PRIORITY, WE HAD HAD SOME SESSIONS OVER THE SUMMER TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THOSE PRIORITIES WERE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I REALIZED VERY EARLY ON IS SOME OF IT, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT AS YOU GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATIONS DID AWAY WITH SOME PARKING AND SOME OF THAT PARKING IS PART OF OUR 1300 IN THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, 35 OF THOSE SPACES.

AND THOSE COMES WITH THEIR OWN OBSTACLES TO DO AWAY WITH THAT PARKING.

AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHEN WE RECONVENE WITH THE NEWEST GROUP, WHEN WE MADE ANY SUGGESTION OF DOING AWAY WITH PARKING, THEY THEY DON'T WANT THE PARKING DONE AWAY WITH.

NOW I, WE MY INTERPRETATION OF THAT IS SOME OF THEM UTILIZE UTILIZE THAT.

AND SO I WANT YOU TO WEIGH THAT TO UNDERSTAND THAT JUST AS THE PEOPLE IN A LOT OF OUR COMMUNITIES HAVE CHANGED AND PEOPLE ON THE DAIS HAVE CHANGED, SO TOO IS THE MINDSET OF THIS, OF THE COMMITTEE.

SO WHAT STARTED OUT TO BE MAYBE A LANDSCAPE OR A STREET SCAPE? DISCUSSION IS GOING TO BE ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE.

IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT A SHORT TERM AND A LONG TERM SOLUTION, AND THEN POTENTIALLY EVEN MANIFEST ITSELF INTO A CODE DISCUSSION OR RIGHT AWAY DISCUSSION AT SOME POINT. BUT WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO LEVEL SET IT AT THIS LEVEL AND THEN AND THEN TALK ABOUT SHORT TERM STRATEGIES AND HOW WE CAN PURSUE IT FROM THE VARIOUS ANGLES THAT WE NEED TO HAVE. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO ALLISON AND WE'LL KIND OF GO FROM THERE.

GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL.

ALLISON BICKETT, DEPUTY CITY OR DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.

THIS AFTERNOON WE ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING IS MAYOR YOUNG OR MAYOR SORRY.

THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER YOUNG. GIVING YOU A NEW TITLE.

JUST MENTIONED THIS, THIS PROJECT WAS DRIVEN OUT OF RESILIENCE FROM FOLLOWING THE THE HURRICANE IAN IN 2023 AND FORMED IN EARLY 2023. AND WITH REDEVELOPMENT ALONG THIS CORRIDOR THAT HAS REALLY BROUGHT ABOUT A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO BRING TOGETHER TO REBUILD THIS AREA AND EXPAND UPON THE EFFORTS REALLY DRIVEN BY THE NAPLES BEACH CLUB.

THIS. THIS PRESENTATION WAS PRESENTED. THIS WAS PRESENTED TO THE CITY AND THE MIRACLE MILE COMMITTEE.

WHAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY? THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE ON THE THE PRESENTATION ON THE YOUR SCREEN.

THE SECOND MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 13TH, 2024 WAS WHAT WAS DERIVED FROM THE EFFORTS PUT TOGETHER BY THE MASTER PLAN OF LJALGA WAS HIRED FOLLOWING AN LOI PROCESS INVOLVING THE PRE PRE NINE PRE-QUALIFIED FIRMS AND WAS SELECTED, AS YOU MAY RECALL IN. FOR DESIGN OF THIS PROJECT.

MORE RECENTLY AS ALREADY MENTIONED THE NEW MIRACLE THERE IS A NEW MIRACLE MILE COMMITTEE THAT.

IT WAS LED BY COMMITTEE CHAIR AL FOX THAT WAS CONVENED WITH THE CITY STAFF ON JULY 22ND AND SEPTEMBER 3RD OF THIS YEAR. THESE SESSIONS REALLY INTRODUCED THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSIONS AND THE LONG TERM VISION THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD AND WITH AN IMMEDIATE LONG TERM AND SHORT TERM PRIORITIES.

I'M GOING TO JUMP INTO THE COMMITTEE FEEDBACK.

THIS WAS THE FEEDBACK THAT WAS RECEIVED IN THE BY THE ORIGINAL COMMITTEE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BEFORE.

AS YOU NOTICE IN HERE, I WANT TO JUST REEMPHASIZE THAT ONE OF THOSE OBJECTIVES WAS THE.

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AND AS MENTIONED, THAT IS PART OF WHAT WE DO NEED TO CONSIDER, PARTICULARLY WITH OUR BEACH RENOURISHMENT EFFORTS.

THERE WAS AN RE-EMPHASIZING THAT JOY FROM DEVASTATION AS A PRIORITY OF WHAT THEY WERE TRYING TO LOOK FORWARD TO FROM COMING OUT OF THE HURRICANE EFFORTS. AND HERE, UNFORTUNATELY, THIS. YOU WILL SEE THAT HERE WE HAVE A VARIATION OF THE THE RIGHT OF WAY WIDTH THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH. THIS. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SOUTH END OF THIS PROJECT ESSENTIALLY STARTS AT THE BEACH CLUB.

WE HAVE ABOUT 60FT. RIGHT AWAY, A LITTLE BIT MORE NARROW WIDENS OUT TO 80FT, A LITTLE BIT WIDER.

130FT. THAT'S REALLY WHERE YOU WILL SEE THAT GREEN SPACE IN THE PARKING AREAS BY THE LOUDERMILK PARK AND NORTH OF THERE, THE 80FT RIGHT AWAY, AND THEN WHERE THE TERMINUS POINT OF THIS PROJECT IS BY THE MOORING LINE BRIDGE.

AND I'LL JUST GO THROUGH SOME OF THESE CROSS SECTIONS.

AND MY APOLOGIES AS THE. THE SKETCHES IN HERE ARE VARYING IN SIZE FROM THIS PRESENTATION, BUT I WANT TO ALSO REEMPHASIZE THIS RIGHT HERE IS REALLY THE EXISTING CONDITIONS WITH THE GREEN SPACE AND WHAT WE WERE GOING TO BE BUILDING OFF OF.

RIGHT HERE WE WILL GO INTO THE CENTRAL LINEAR PARK CONCEPT.

THIS WAS THE FIRST CONCEPT THAT WAS PRESENTED.

AND AS PART OF THAT LINEAR CONCEPT THAT'S EXPANDING THE EXISTING MEDIAN WITHIN THE 130 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, AND BY ELIMINATING THE EXISTING ANGLED PARKING SPACES.

AND AS PART OF THAT, THAT WOULD ACTUALLY CREATE ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE THAT IS 60FT WIDE BY 750FT LONG.

THERE WAS MUCH INTEREST IN CREATING MORE GREEN SPACE AND KIND OF CREATING MORE OF A AREA FOR THE RESIDENTS TO KIND OF RECONVENE AND JOIN TOGETHER AS PART OF THE ORIGINAL FEEDBACK THAT WAS RECEIVED FROM THAT, THE INITIAL GROUP.

SO THAT'S YOU'LL SEE THAT ELEMENT, THAT REPETITIVE DESIGN BUILT IN.

SO HERE YOU'LL SEE WHERE THEY HAVE THE ENHANCED ENHANCED LANDSCAPING SIDEWALKS BUILT INTO THE CENTER MEDIAN THAT THEY WERE REALLY LOOKING TO HAVE MORE OF A PARK CONCEPT THAT THEY PRESENTED AS PART OF THIS PLAN.

AND THE NEXT PLAN IS THE TWO LANE RIGHT OF WAY PARK CONCEPT THAT ESSENTIALLY IS REMOVING THE EXISTING MEDIAN AND ANGLED PARKING WITHIN THE 130 FOOT RIGHT OF WAY, REPLACING WITH A TWO LANE UNDIVIDED ROADWAY SECTION AND REPURPOSING THE EXISTING MEDIAN AND ANGLED PARKING AREAS TO CREATE LINEAR PARKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROADWAY.

AND THAT'S UTILIZING THE CURB AND GUTTER TO MAINTAIN THE UNDERGROUND DRAINAGE.

WITH THE SUBSTANTIAL LANDSCAPING AND PLANTINGS THAT YOU'LL SEE ON THESE DRAWINGS.

SO YOU'LL SEE THAT MORE OF THIS AREA EMPHASIZES AND UTILIZES THE OUTSIDE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THE LANDSCAPE IN THIS CROSS SECTION.

AND INCORPORATING MORE OF THE GREEN SPACE. SO LAST THERE IS THE TWO LANE RIGHT OF WAY BIOSWALE CONCEPT.

AND AS IT SOUNDS, THEY ARE ACTUALLY UTILIZING AND CREATING AND INCORPORATING MORE OF THE BIOSWALE DESIGN, WHERE THOSE PLANTINGS THAT ARE MORE NATIVE WITH UNDERGROUND DRAINAGE THAT WOULD BE REPLACED AND OPEN INSTEAD OF THE PRIOR THE TWO LANE RIGHT OF WAY PARK, WHICH HAD MORE OF THE URBAN SECTION WITH THE CURBING AND ALL THIS ONE HAS THE OPEN BIOSWALE.

SO YOU'LL SEE MORE OF THAT OPEN CUT SWALE SECTION FOR THE DRAINAGE AND FOR THE PLANTINGS IN THIS DESIGN SECTION.

SO THOSE ARE THE, THE PLANS THAT WERE PRESENTED AS PART OF THE PLAN.

NOW THAT WE'VE HAD THE NEW GROUP AND DISCUSSING THEIR PRIORITIES THE, THE NEWEST PRIORITIES ARE REALLY TO, THOSE CORE CHALLENGES. AND THOSE PRINCIPLES HAVE REALLY SOMEWHAT CHANGED SINCE THAT THE ORIGINAL APPLICATION.

AND NOW AT THIS AT THIS STAGE, THE WE ARE LOOKING AT MORE OF SOME SHORT TERM IMPROVEMENTS THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS PRESENTED TO US

[04:00:09]

THEY STILL WANT TO MAINTAIN AND KEEP THOSE LANDSCAPING AND PLANTINGS WITHIN THE MEDIANS.

THEY'VE BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION ADA ISSUES WITH SOME CRACKED SIDEWALKS THAT THEY'D LIKE TO HAVE ASSURED THAT THOSE BROUGHT UP TO COMPLIANCE, THEY WOULD LIKE TO REVIEW AND HAVE US REVIEW THE PARKING UTILIZATION.

WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT AND DETERMINING, I THINK THEY'RE MORE OPEN TO KEEPING THE, THE, THE EXISTING PARKING CONFIGURATION.

BUT ON THOSE ISLANDS, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE'RE DISCUSSING THE PARKING AND THE CENTER ISLAND BY LOUDERMILK PARK.

I'LL SEE IF I CAN FIND A GOOD VISUAL OF THAT.

BUT THERE'S PARKING IN THAT AREA THAT I THINK THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO STILL CREATE A LITTLE MORE GREEN SPACE IN THOSE IN SECTIONS AND MAYBE REDUCE SOME OF THE PARKING SPACES ON THE THESE, THOSE END SECTIONS OF THE CURB, CUTS OF THE PARKING AREAS AND JUST CREATE A LITTLE BIT MORE GREEN IN THAT AND PERHAPS REMOVING A FEW PARKING SPACES OFF OF THOSE ENDS.

YOU JUST SAY WITHIN LOUDERMILK PARK. NO, IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

FRONTING THERE'S, THERE'S PARKING OUTSIDE OF LOUDERMILK PARK ALONG THIS SECTION THERE'S I'M TRYING TO FIND A GOOD VISUAL OF THAT, BUT THERE'S EXISTING PARKING SPACES THAT, THAT EXIST THAT I THINK THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY ELIMINATING SOME OF THOSE IN PARKING SPACES AND CREATING A LITTLE MORE GREEN, GREEN SPACE IN THOSE AREAS AND MAYBE REDUCING SOME OF THE PARKING SPACES, NOT REDUCING IN THE IN THE PROPOSAL THAT IN THE PROPOSALS THAT YOU SEE THAT WERE PRESENTED FROM 2024, THOSE ESSENTIALLY ELIMINATED ALL OF THE PARKING.

AND WE REALLY CAN'T AFFORD TO DO THAT. SO THIS IS KIND OF A BALANCED CONCEPT WHERE WE CAN REMOVE REMOVE SOME OF THOSE PARKING SPACES OFF THE END, CREATE A LITTLE BIT MORE GREEN SPACE, MAYBE PUT SOME MORE PLANTINGS IN THAT AREA AND MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT GREENER AND ENHANCE IT AND ONLY REDUCING MAYBE THE NEED FOR A FEW PARKING SPACES ALONG THOSE. AND CAN I YES, FEEL FREE TO ITS, AS YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF LOUDERMILK.

IT'S, I THINK IT'S FARTHER NORTH, BUT IT'S THE SAME AREA THOUGH WHERE THEY HAVE THE DIAGONAL PARKING.

BUT, BUT I JUST WANT TO PICK UP ON THIS BECAUSE I REALLY WANT THIS TO BE.

ULTIMATELY, WE ARE GOING TO SPEND. WE BELIEVE THERE'S THREE PATHS.

THE QUESTION IS, HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO BE BEFORE YOU HAVE A CITY PIER PROJECT? WE KNOW IT'S SOME OF THE OLDEST INFRASTRUCTURE HERE, BUT WE ALSO KNOW WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO RIVER PARK.

WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO 17TH AVE, WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO THE COVE PUMP, AND WE ALREADY HAVE A LINEUP OF THINGS TO DO.

SO TO WAIT AROUND IF IT'S EVEN IF WE STARTED IN THREE YEARS TO DO DESIGN, YOU'RE NOT PUTTING ANYTHING OUT TO BID IN FIVE YEARS.

AND SO WE KNOW THAT WHILE THIS COULD BE PHASE TWO OF EVERYTHING, IT IS NOT SET FOR CITY PIER TO BEGIN NOW.

SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, OKAY, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DO THESE EXTRAORDINARY PROJECTS, WHICH IT WOULDN'T BE PRUDENT AT THE MOMENT ANYWAY, BUT YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE GREEN SPACE.

AND WE HAVE 35 PARKING SPACES AND THEIR ASK WAS SPECIFIC IS WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO SACRIFICE A COUPLE TO CURB AN AREA, GET A NICE, YOU KNOW, EDGE TO IT, PUT A FEW MORE TREES IN AND IN A SHORT TERM BASIS BEFORE WE GO THE LONG TERM SOLUTION.

THE OTHER PART THEY'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ASCERTAIN IS IS THERE A WAY TO HAVE A WALK, A WALKING SIDEWALK THAT RUNS THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF IT THAT MAY HAVE TO GO ALONG WITH THE CITY PIER PROJECT, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE PUTTING THE PIPES UNDER THE GROUND, BUT AT LEAST WE KNOW THAT'S STILL AN OBJECTIVE OF THE COMMITTEE.

THEN THE OTHER PART, WHEN I LOOK AT THE 35 SPACES, IT'S ALWAYS IMPORTANT FOR US TO KEEP THE 1300, BUT THAT INCLUDES OUR BEACH ACCESSES, ETC. SO WITHIN THE LAST THREE YEARS, WE'VE GAINED A COUPLE AND WE'VE GAINED FOUR SPACES ON NORTH LAKE BY REDESIGNING THAT, NOT HAVING THE THE GRASS AREAS, SPLITTING THEM AS MUCH AS WE HAD BEFORE.

AND WE ALSO GAINED FOUR. LOUDERMILK. SO WE HAVE SEVEN IN THERE.

IF WE WERE TO JUST TAKE YOU BACK TO THAT OTHER PICTURE AND JUST THINK OF IT WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ROUNDED TOWARDS THE END.

IF YOU CAME IN, ONE SPACE ON EACH SIDE GAINED THE WIDTH OF A PARKING LOT.

IT ALMOST BECOMES MORE OF A ROUND END TO THAT, WHERE YOU COULD HAVE SOMETHING THAT MAY BE MEANINGFUL.

SO THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE CHANGED THE DIALOG TO ASKING AND SAY, CAN YOU DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR US AS OPPOSED TO A FULL STREETSCAPE PLAN? AND THEN THE OTHER PART IS OBVIOUSLY THEY DON'T WANT US TO STOP PURSUING, YOU KNOW, THE THE EVALUATING THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN THERE AND SAYING,

[04:05:06]

BUT THE OTHER IMPORTANT PIECE TO IT IS THAT THEY RECOGNIZE.

AND WHEN WE ASK QUITE SPECIFIC, BECAUSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT THIS, THE OUTSIDE FUNDING TO THIS WOULD HAVE HAD TO HAVE BEEN IF YOU WERE GOING LIKE THE BRICK STREETSCAPE, JUST TAKE IF YOU TOOK THE THE FOUR SEASONS AND YOU SAID, I WANT TO MAKE THAT ENTIRE STRETCH.

THAT WAS A SPECIFIC QUESTION. WOULD YOU WANT ANY OF THE BRICK ANY ANSWER WAS NO.

WE WANT THE PALLET TO STAY THE SAME. WE WANT SOME LANDSCAPING, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE GREEN SPACES IF YOU CAN ADD GREEN SPACE, IF YOU CAN EAT UP A FEW PARKING SPACES AND WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE THE PARKING RIGHT NOW.

SO TO ME, THAT'S WHAT LAID OUT THE PLAN. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU EITHER AGREE OR DISAGREE OR JUST HOLD, SERVE AND DO NOTHING EXTRA UNTIL WE GET THE THE EVALUATIONS ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHAT THAT TIMELINE IS.

THE ONLY HESITATION THAT I GIVE YOU THERE IS THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD WANT TO EXPEDITE IT.

MY ONLY POINT TO YOU ON THAT IS THAT THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT WITH THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS WE ALREADY HAVE GOING, IT'S FIVE YEARS OUT AT BEST. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT.

SO I'M SORRY IF I INTERRUPTED, BUT I WANTED THEM TO GET THAT BIG PICTURE OF WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET ACCOMPLISHED FROM THIS CONVERSATION.

NO, PLEASE. THAT WAS HELPFUL. THANK YOU. YEAH.

SO I JUST TO JUST TO GO ON WITH THE SHORT TERM IMPROVEMENTS, AS HE ALLUDED TO.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, I THINK THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME FEEDBACK THERE. THERE WAS SOME HEAVY DISCUSSION ON OUR ESTHETIC ESTHETIC CODES AND IMPLEMENTING SOME STRICTER STANDARDS FOR THE PRIVATE VISIBLE SURFACE UTILITIES.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S BEEN SOME CONCERNS FROM FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED RELATED TO I DON'T LIKE TO PICK OUT CERTAIN COMMUNITY, BUT THE ROSEWOOD WE'LL SAY THERE WAS SOME UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, BUT HOW CAN WE TRY TO WORK WITH THESE DEVELOPMENTS ALONG THIS CORRIDOR AND IN THE SHORT TERM, TRY TO IMPLEMENT MAYBE SOME STANDARDS THAT CAN HELP IMPROVE THAT LOOK? SO THAT WAS ONE PART OF THE DISCUSSION. LONG TERM, THERE WAS SOME GREATER AS MENTIONED COMPREHENSIVE PLANS AND DISCUSSION TO GUIDE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WILL BE A LITTLE MORE COSTLY.

THAT INCLUDES THE, OF COURSE, THE THE CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND UTILITY RENEWAL PROGRAM.

CITY PIER, AS YOU'VE I'M SURE HAVE HEARD THE UNDERGROUND STORMWATER AND DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS COMPLETE SIDEWALKS.

ONE OF THE DISCUSSION POINTS WAS INTEREST IN HAVING A FULLY CONNECTED SIDEWALK ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.

YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THERE'S SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS CONNECTED ON THE I GUESS THE, THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD ALONG THAT, THAT CORRIDOR. BUT IT'S, THERE'S SOME GAPS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROADWAY THROUGH THERE.

AND THERE'S SOME INTEREST IN MAYBE TRYING TO HAVE A FULLY CONNECTED SIDEWALK WITH THIS PROJECT IMPLEMENTING FEASIBLE TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURES.

OF COURSE, THE DISCUSSION OVER THE YEARS AND WHAT WE HEAR THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY IS SPEEDING CONCERNS AND IMPLEMENTING MAYBE SOME TRAFFIC CALMING EFFORTS WITH THIS PROJECT WOULD MAYBE MAKE SOME MORE LIKE WITH THE, THE ISLANDS PERHAPS, OR SOMETHING THAT IS A LITTLE MORE PHYSICAL IN NATURE.

UPGRADING THE ROADWAY CURBS AND GUTTER. ENHANCING AS IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP AS A VERY IMPORTANT FACTOR IS JUST IN THAT LANDSCAPING AND STREETSCAPE IMPROVEMENTS THROUGHOUT THAT CORRIDOR TO REALLY JUST KIND OF KEEP IT SIMILAR TO CARRYING ALONG THAT, THAT VISUAL EFFORT THAT THAT'S AT THE BEACH CLUB AND ENHANCING THE OR I'M SORRY. AND THEN A COORDINATING, COORDINATING, COORDINATING WITH FPL TO DEVELOP A PLAN FOR UNDERGROUNDING THE OVERHEAD POWER LINES AS THAT HAS BEEN OF INTEREST AS WELL THROUGHOUT THE AREA AND SUPPORTING THE THE RESILIENCY ALONG THIS, THIS CORRIDOR. SO THOSE ARE THE REALLY LONG TERM REQUESTS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED AND DISCUSSED AS PART OF THE, THE PLAN. AND THOSE EFFORTS WILL LIKE CITY MANAGER YOUNG HAD ALREADY MENTIONED WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE COST YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT SOME CHALLENGES WITH THAT AND, AND HOW THAT WILL BE UNVEILED.

BUT THESE ARE REALLY THE, THE DESIRES AND INTERESTS THAT WERE BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION WITH THESE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THE MIRACLE MILE COMMITTEE.

SO WE WANTED TO BRING YOU UP TO DATE AND PROVIDE YOU WITH THE LATEST UPDATE AND PLANS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO THE CITY AND THE MIRACLE MILE COMMITTEE.

GRANTED, THEY'RE, THEY'RE OUTDATED. AND I THINK THEN WE WERE LOOKING FOR THOSE NEXT STEPS AND DIRECTION FROM YOU.

AS FAR AS FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PROGRAM.

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THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU. I PROBABLY AM NOT IN FAVOR OF LOSING ANY PARKING SPACES SINCE PARKING AT LATERAL MILL PARK IS ALREADY SO TIGHT, AND THERE'S JUST SO FEW SPACES FOR VISITORS TO PARK.

BUT HOW WIDE ARE THE TRAVEL LANES THROUGH THIS SECTION? IT SEEMS LIKE THEY'RE PRETTY WIDE. I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT, I THINK THERE ARE AROUND 12FT WIDE AND BUT NORMAL LIKE THAT BOULEVARD SOUTH OF THE BEACH HOTEL. WHAT ARE THOSE TRAVEL LANES NORTH OF THE BEACH HOTEL.

SOUTH OF THE BEACH. SOUTH OF THE BEACH HOTEL.

OH, NAPLES, YEAH, I BELIEVE. AND SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING BIKE LANES IN THERE, BUT I THINK THE ACTUAL TRAVEL LANE IS APPROXIMATELY 12FT FROM MY RECOLLECTION.

OKAY. FOR LIKE TO KEEP THE BIKE LANES. THOSE ARE HEAVILY USED.

YES. BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS SCOPE FOR SLIGHTLY REDUCING THE TRAVEL LANES TO GIVE MORE SPACE TO THE MEDIANS, TO HAVE MORE GREEN SPACE THAT WAY, AND BY REDUCING THE TRAVEL LANES SLIGHTLY, EVEN A FOOT, IF THAT WAS A TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURE TO SLOW DOWN PEOPLE, BUT ALSO CREATE MORE GREEN SPACE THAT WAY.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE DO SOMETIMES IMPLEMENT AS IS REDUCTION IN THE WIDTH TO GIVE.

BUT IN MAKING SURE THAT THERE'S MORE OF A VISUAL FROM YOUR CORRECT.

AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC CALMING, THAT IS A FEASIBLE ALTERNATIVE.

I'D HAVE TO LOOK, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THOSE CROSS SECTIONS TO SEE IF THAT HOW THAT WOULD WORK.

AND IN THE THE WIDTHS. BUT THERE COULD BE AN INTERIM OPTION BECAUSE YEAH, I UNDERSTAND IF WE CAN'T DO MUCH FOR FIVE YEARS, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN MANAGE AND THERE'S SO MANY PRIORITIES IN THE CITY ALREADY.

BUT ONE THING I'VE HEARD IS JUST PEOPLE WOULD REALLY LIKE A REFRESH OF THE LANDSCAPING.

A LOT OF IT HASN'T REALLY BEEN ADDRESSED SINCE IAN.

AND A LOT OF IT DIED BECAUSE THE WHOLE AREA FLOODED OBVIOUSLY DURING.

IAN. SO TO THE EXTENT WE COULD DO A REFRESH OF THE LANDSCAPING, THAT WOULD GO A LONG WAY.

I DON'T KNOW, LIKE BANYAN, WE'RE HAVING TO REDO EVERYTHING, INCLUDING ALL THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM.

BUT I THINK MAYBE THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM IN THIS AREA IS OKAY.

SO MAYBE IT'S NOT QUITE AS BIG OF A PROJECT TO REFRESH AND UPDATE THE LANDSCAPING.

AND THEN MAYBE IN SOME AREAS THERE'S A WAY TO WIDEN IT OR ADD SOME TREES TO MAKE IT LOOK MORE ESTHETICALLY PLEASING.

I THINK YOU SAID, WELL, I THINK AND PART OF IT, WE DO HAVE OPPORTUNITIES AS WE LOOK AT IT NOW, IT'S IT'S PIECE BY PIECE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF REDEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING IN AND LOOKING AT.

WE'VE HAD THERE WAS A DEVELOPMENT NEAR IN THIS VICINITY THAT I HAVE ON THE SCREEN THAT HAS COME IN.

THERE'S THE CURRENT CONDITION IS THERE'S PARKING IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

AND AND PART OF THE CODE REQUIREMENT WOULD BE FOR THEM, OF COURSE SIDEWALK, THERE'S NO EXISTING SIDEWALK.

SO THEY'VE ASKED THE QUESTION, DO WE IMPLEMENT PARKING OR DO WE KEEP THE PARKING? DO WE KEEP THE SIDEWALK? DO YOU WANT MORE GREEN SPACE? LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? TYPICALLY, IN OUR CODE, WE WOULD APPLY AND TRY TO TO REINFORCE THE SIDEWALK CONDITION.

BUT IT DOES OPEN UP THAT THOUGHT PROCESS. IF WE KNOW WE HAVE A PROJECT THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO TRY TO MANAGE AND WHAT WE CAN DO IN THAT CROSS SECTION VIEW, IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN TRY TO WORK WITH TO KIND OF LOOK AHEAD OF THINGS, IT'S HELPFUL TO CONSIDER AT THIS POINT.

SO I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING AS FAR AS WITH THE LANDSCAPING AND IMPLEMENTING ALL OF THAT, AT LEAST ON THE FRONTAGES FOR THOSE PROPERTIES.

AND THEN WE CAN COORDINATE IF THERE'S INTEREST WITH A, OUR, OUR INTERNALLY ON A PROGRAM IF POSSIBLE.

YEAH. AND THAT'S REALLY, AS LONG AS WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE'RE NOT.

AND IF COUNCIL AGREES WITH THE NEW COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATIONS NOW, AND YOU'VE SEEN THE DESIGN AND THERE'S A CONSENSUS, THEN IT'S OKAY. NOW WE BEGIN TO PLAN FOR THE SHORT TERM AND WORK TOWARDS THE LONG TERM IN BOTH, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. AND SO, SO YEAH, I THINK THAT'S THE PIVOTAL QUESTION BECAUSE THEN IT'S A MATTER OF, OKAY, I HAVE TO FREE UP SOME RESOURCES, COME BACK TO YOU WITH WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GET DONE IN THAT AREA, BUT WE WANT TO AT LEAST MAKE SURE THAT WAS AN ACCEPTABLE STEP FORWARD FROM, FROM COUNCIL'S PERSPECTIVE, ONCE EVERYBODY HAD SEEN AND BEEN CAUGHT UP TO WHERE WE WERE ON, ON THE MIRACLE MILE.

AND DID YOU SAY THE THE NEW COMMITTEE WAS IN FAVOR OF CONTINUING THE KIND OF PALETTE OR STYLE FROM THE BEACH, FROM THE FOUR SEASONS WHERE THEY WANT IT TO BE TOTALLY DIFFERENT.

THE PLANTINGS, THEY'D LIKE THAT TO BE SIMILAR IN NATURE.

YES, SIR. YEAH. BUT NOT THE BRICKS. NOT THE BRICKS, BUT THE PLANTINGS.

THEY WOULD LIKE THAT IF POSSIBLE. THAT COULD BE A STARTING POINT OR A SCHEME TO GIVE THE WHOLE AREA A NICE LOOK.

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AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE ABANDON THEM AND WHEN I SAY ABANDON THEM, THAT WE CHOOSE TO KEEP LEVEL SET ON WHERE WE'RE GOING, THAT EVERYONE'S IN AGREEMENT ON THAT. YEAH, I PROBABLY WOULDN'T SAY ABANDON, SAY, PARK UNTIL WE HAVE THE APPETITE OR THE BUDGET FOR A BIGGER PROJECT. AND FOR ME, SIR, I JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, I CONSIDER THE SHORT TERM THING REALLY NO DIFFERENT.

WE DID ON FIRST AND 10TH WHEN WE WANTED TO DO SOME OF THE STREETSCAPE STUFF AND THEN TREES AND SAID, OKAY, LET'S GO WITH A SCALED DOWN VERSION THAT GIVES YOU ALL THE BEAUTIFICATION THAT YOU WANT WITHOUT TURNING AROUND UNTIL YOU GET DONE WITH THE STREET DESIGN, AND THEN DO THE OTHER ELEMENTS. AND I THINK THIS WOULD BE ANOTHER ONE OF THOSE WHERE YOU DO A CERTAIN LEVEL, KNOWING THAT THERE'S A SECOND BITE AT THIS. AND IF IN A FUTURE TIME FRAME, PERHAPS A DESIGN THAT'S INTENDED TO LAST 5 TO 7 YEARS.

YEAH. YES, SIR. OKAY. THANKS. THANK YOU. I HAVE KROLL AND THEN KRAMER. IS THERE A. I MEAN, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THESE THINGS WITH THIS BIOSWALE THIS MODEL I'M TALKING ABOUT, WHICH TO ME IS THE MOST BEAUTY AND MOST RESILIENCY, BECAUSE YOU GOT TWO GIGANTIC SWALES ON EACH SIDE OF THE ROAD.

SO MOVING THE ROAD IN THE CENTER. BUT FROM A COST STANDPOINT, THIS HAS GOT TO BE LIKE DRAMATICALLY DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER PLANS.

I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT, LIKE COST TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD BE? IS IT AS FAR AS IMPLEMENTING THE BIOSWALE? YEAH, I THINK FROM HONESTLY, I DON'T THINK THAT THE, THE COST OF THE EXISTING LIKE TO IMPLEMENT IT INITIALLY.

YOU KNOW, FROM THE, THE PLANTINGS AND THE LANDSCAPE, OF COURSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A COST, BUT THE, THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT AND I KNOW THAT THEY DO PROVIDE MORE WATER QUALITY AND STORAGE FOR THE PLANTINGS.

BUT SOMETIMES THE CHALLENGES BETWEEN TRYING TO INFLUX WITH THE, THE CHANGES IN THE, THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A PRETTY EXTREME CHANGE AND RAINFALL LIKE BETWEEN SUMMER AND WINTER AND MAKING SURE THAT THOSE, THOSE PLANTINGS ARE TOLERANT. I THINK THAT WHAT I'VE SEEN MORE OF IS PROBABLY MORE OF A CHALLENGE OF MAKING SURE THAT THOSE ARE CAN SURVIVE.

AND THEN I THINK THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD, WOULD EXPECT WOULD BE A MORE COSTLIER AMOUNT FOR THE THIS CROSS SECTION. YEAH, THAT, THAT PLAN FULFILLS A LOT OF THINGS ENVIRONMENTALLY.

IT FEELS A LOT CONTAINING THE TRAFFIC MORE IN THE NARROW IN THE CENTER.

IT'S CREATING A SOCIAL NETWORK ON BOTH SIDES WITH WIDE, WIDE SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES.

SO SOCIALLY PEOPLE CAN MEET THERE, YOU KNOW? SO I JUST CHECKS A LOT OF BOXES.

BUT IMAGINE IT'S IT'S VERY DIFFERENT FROM A COST STANDPOINT FROM THE OTHER, OTHER PLANS I'M LOOKING AT HERE.

SO I WAS WONDERING HOW VIABLE THAT WAS. AND WE DON'T HAVE COST ESTIMATES FOR THESE.

BUT MY, MY GUESS IS, IS THAT IT IS ESPECIALLY FROM THE MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT, I THINK IT WOULD BE A MUCH HIGHER AMOUNT FROM MY MY KNOWLEDGE, BUT THEY JUST DID THE CONCEPTUAL. THEY DIDN'T PROVIDE ANY COST ESTIMATES WITH THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN.

AS FAR AS FUNDING A PROJECT LIKE THIS, GARY, IS THERE.

HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT IT? I MEAN, SHOULD IT BE A SPECIAL TAXING DISTRICT FOR IT OR I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LIKE, YOU KNOW, PELICAN BAY DID OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I MEAN, I'M JUST. YEAH, THERE WAS, THERE WAS A BEAUTIFUL, NICE. YEAH.

THERE WAS OPTIONS AVAILABLE. THAT'S WHY KNOWING WHETHER THIS WAS DRIVEN BY A STREETSCAPE OR IS IT INFRASTRUCTURE IS THE KEY REALLY TO THIS? IF THIS WAS GOING TO BE A STREETSCAPE PUTTING IN BRICK AND AND, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO DUPLICATE FOUR SEASONS ALONG THIS STRETCH, THEN THAT WOULD BE A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT. IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST INCREASING PLANTINGS WITHIN THE, THE, THE, THE FLOWER BEDS AND RIGHT AWAY BEDS THAT ARE GOING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD.

I THINK THAT'S JUST A COMMITMENT THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT LOOK, THIS AREA WAS DEVASTATED.

WE SHOULD GET IT BACK TO A CERTAIN LEVEL. YOU GIVE ME THAT DIRECTION AND I'LL COME BACK WITH A PLAN.

I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE AT THE MOMENT. BUT IT STARTED IN SUCH A WAY.

IT WAS ALMOST LIKE A STREET. A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT WAS GOING TO BE INEVITABLE, BUT I THINK THAT EVERYTHING HAS BEEN PARED BACK TO WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW AND AND IS ALSO INDICATED TO SAY AND LET'S SEE WHERE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS.

SO WE'RE NOT PAYING FOR IT TWICE NOW. IT COULD REINVENT ITSELF.

LET'S JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, THREE YEARS FROM NOW, WE KNOW.

ALL RIGHT, NOW WE'RE JUST GOING TO START DESIGN.

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YOU COULD HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS THREE YEARS FROM NOW THAN YOU HAVE TODAY.

SO I THINK WE'RE IN GOOD POSITION BY BY DUPLICATING THE PLANTINGS, NOT OVEREXTENDING HOW MUCH WE'RE SPENDING RIGHT NOW, AND THEN FIND OUT WHEN THE INFRASTRUCTURE PLAN COULD BE PUT IN PLACE AND THEN DEAL WITH THE STREETSCAPE AT THAT TIME.

BUT THAT'S ALWAYS A FINANCIAL INSTRUMENT YOU HAVE ON A INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT LIKE THAT, BUT YOU WOULD NEVER PASS ON, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION.

I WOULDN'T PASS ON THE STORMWATER OR WATER, SANITARY SEWER OR ANY OF THOSE, THOSE YOU PAY FOR OUT OF YOUR CURRENT ENTERPRISE FUNDS.

BUT IF THERE'S A STREETSCAPE ELEMENT, THEN YOU CAN DISCUSS HAVING SOME ASSESSMENTS IN THERE.

I GUESS THESE ARE THE TYPE OF PROJECTS THAT SOMETHING CAN HAPPEN IN NOVEMBER THAT COULD HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON PROJECTS LIKE THIS.

I MEAN, I'D BE ABSOLUTELY. WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT? YEAH, IT ABSOLUTELY. THESE ARE GOVERNMENTAL EXPENDITURES AND ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS IN NOVEMBER WILL.

YOU'VE GOT TO WEIGH IN TOTALITY. YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE WE TALK ABOUT AND NOT TO BELABOR THAT POINT OR ANYTHING, BUT WE REDIRECT FUNDS TO DO PAVING, RIGHT? SO DEPENDING ON NOVEMBER, HOW MONEY CAN COME BACK.

AND NOW WE'VE GOT TO FIND PAVING FUNDS. SO ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS ARE BE OPEN FOR THE SAME DISCUSSION AS YOU INDICATED YOU KNOW, AS, AS YOU GET UPON OTHER TOUGHER TIMES, THAT'S FOR SURE.

YEAH. BUT I THINK WE HAVE THE BANDWIDTH TO TAKE CARE OF THE, IF WE WANT A SHORT TERM PLAN TO SAY THIS HAS BEEN ON THE AGENDA FOR A WHILE, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A POP UP. IT'S JUST OUR PLAN TO BEGIN TO, TO DIRECT SOME RESOURCES TO ACTUALLY PUTTING SOME THINGS IN THE GROUND, EVEN ON THE SHORT TERM BASIS. AND LET'S MAKE THAT COMMITMENT TODAY AND THEN WE MOVE FORWARD BRINGING YOU SOMETHING.

IF IF IT'S THE WILL OF COUNCIL TO DO THAT, AND THEN I BRING SOME THINGS BACK FOR YOU.

AND THEN IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE TO PURSUE. AND THAT'S ON OUR AGENDA IS IN THIS YEAR IS TO GET THE CITY TO GET ALL OF THE THE INFRASTRUCTURE ANALYZED, TO KNOW WHEN WE PLAN TO WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE A NECESSITY TO COME BACK TO YOU, AND THEN ALSO NOT ABANDON THE RIGHT OF WAY AND THE, THE THE, THE CODE DISCUSSION AS TO WHAT WE CAN DO TO PROHIBIT THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE STUFF IN THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE HAD THE ELECTRIC BOXES SITTING RIGHT ON OUR SIDEWALK AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO WE'LL BRING THAT BACK AS A SEPARATE PATH. BUT THESE OTHER THINGS, AND I DO LIKE THE IDEA, IF THERE'S A SLIGHT WIDTH WE CAN GIVE TO THE GREENERY AND NOT AND NOT LOSE PARKING SPACES.

THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO. SO I KIND OF MADE NOTES ON THAT.

SO I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. BUT I THINK A COMMITMENT ON A SHORT TERM PHILOSOPHY IS THE BEST WAY TO GO.

THE CENTER ROAD CONCEPT DOES GIVE CREATE SOME OF THOSE ILLS THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED WITH ELECTRIC BOX.

YEAH, THIS, THIS IS A SOLUTION TO IT. AND FUTURE CONSTRUCTION THERE, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT THIS AREA IS ALL OLD BUILDINGS ARE WE'RE LOOKING AT HOTELS AND TWO NEW HOTELS THERE AND A BUNCH OF NEW PROJECTS.

SO YEAH, AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY, ANY DOUBT THAT WE'RE GOING TO FIND THAT THE AGE OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOING TO PUT IT HIGH IN THE PRIORITY.

BUT I JUST THINK THAT'S THE NATURE. CORRECT. YOUR HONOR, I THINK THERE'S SOME PROPOSED HOTELS IN THAT AREA.

IS THERE? MAYBE I'M WRONG ON THAT. I'M NOT SURE.

DO WE KNOW OF ANY PROPOSED HOTELS IN IN THE IN THE MILE? NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. I THINK EVERYTHING THAT I'VE SEEN HAS BEEN ALL MULTIFAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY, MULTIFAMILY REALLY ALONG THERE, CONDOS AND SUCH.

YEAH. I DIDN'T CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS ANY TRANSIENT LODGING WITHIN THAT EXCEPT FOR THE ONES THAT WE APPROVED OR THEY APPROVED FOR.

THEY'RE ALREADY THERE. EDGEWATER AND FOUR SEASONS.

THAT'S ALL I'M AWARE OF. OKAY. AND EDGEWATER IS REPRESENTED IN THAT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE KRAMER MIGHT NOT BE THIS FAR YET BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY ENGINEERING, BUT ON THE ON THE SWALES ONE, WOULD THEY HOLD WATER? ARE THEY GOING TO ARE THEY GOING TO PERCOLATE QUICKLY LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE? OR WOULD THEY ACTUALLY BE RETENTION AREAS. WITH THE BIOSWALES THEY ARE GOING TO WORK JUST SIMILAR TO ANOTHER SWALE, BUT THEY PROBABLY WILL BE HOLDING SOME WATER AND THEN IN THERE, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THE FLUCTUATIONS IN THE RAINFALL AND INTENSITY AND HOW, HOW SATURATED IT IS. OKAY. BECAUSE LIKE I, THEY'LL BE GREAT OUT OF, OUT OF THE RAINY SEASON, BUT THEY, THEY, I MEAN, I DON'T LIKE ANYTHING THAT HOLDS WATER DURING THE SEASON IF I CAN AVOID IT.

AND THEN THE OTHER THING I, I DON'T SEE AN OPTION HERE OTHER THAN IF WE ARE GOING TO GET RID OF A COUPLE SPACES OR NOT.

I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO BUY. IT'S A FIVE YEAR DOWN THE ROAD REGARDLESS.

SO IF WE CAN MAKE IT ESTHETICALLY PLEASING IN THE INTERIM, I THINK I'M ALL FOR THAT.

AND IF WE CANNOT GET RID OF PARKING SPACES, THAT'S GREAT.

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WE CAN SPLIT THE DIFFERENCE. THEN I'M OKAY IF WE HAVE TO GIVE AWAY A COUPLE SPACES FOR THE FOLKS THAT LIVE THERE TO, YOU KNOW, TO BE ABLE TO LIVE WITH IT, ALTHOUGH I'D PREFER NOT TO. THANKS. RIGHT. SO TO TAG ON TO THAT THE PARK YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PARKING THAT'S ON THE EAST SIDE, THAT'S ON THE ROAD.

THAT I WAS MENTIONING BEFORE EARLIER ABOUT EARLIER IT WAS LOUDERMILK, RIGHT? YES. I WAS TALKING ABOUT LOUDERMILK. AND THEN I MENTIONED THAT THERE WAS A PROJECT, A PROPOSAL THAT CAME IN FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT.

WE JUST HAD A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING. SO THERE WAS JUST A DISCUSSION AND A QUESTION REGARDING THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT.

THERE'S PREEXISTING PARKING. THERE ARE SOME OF THESE OLDER PROPERTIES ALONG THE STRETCH THAT DO HAVE SOME PREEXISTING PARKING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WHETHER OR NOT TO MAINTAIN THOSE OR TO HAVE THOSE REMOVED AS PART OF THIS PROJECT, IF THAT'S OF INTEREST IN WHETHER THERE'S A NEED TO HAVE THOSE PARKING SPACES IN THOSE LOCATIONS.

BUT I THINK THAT'S COMES WITH FURTHER DISCUSSION.

THE LOCATION THAT I'M REFERRING THAT I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE IS CLOSER TO LOUDERMILK PARK.

THERE'S REALLY NOT ENOUGH SPACE IF WE WERE TO HAVE SIDEWALK AND THE PARKING SPACES, I BELIEVE IN THAT SECTION.

SO THEY BASICALLY ASKED, YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT TO HAVE THE SIDEWALK? WHAT ARE YOUR, YOUR INTERESTS? ARE YOU WANTING US TO MAINTAIN THE PARKING ON STREET PARKING? AND THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO AS FAR AS THE, THE ISLAND PARKING IN THE CENTER MEDIAN PARKING THAT WAS REFERRING TO ACROSS FROM ALTAMONT PARK. SO CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR ME THE PARKING THAT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY IS THE CITY PARKING? YES. AND WE HAVE A POLICY THAT IF YOU REBUILD, YOU MUST BUILD.

YOU MUST PUT IN SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF YOUR PROPERTY.

WE DO HAVE A REQUIREMENT TO INSTALL SIDEWALK IN FRONT OF IF, DEPENDING ON IF IT'S MORE OF A MULTIFAMILY APPLICATION FOR SINGLE FAMILY, THERE'S NOT A REQUIREMENT. BUT FOR MULTIFAMILY OR COMMERCIAL, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PUT IN AND INSTALL SIDEWALK.

SO. IF WE ALREADY HAVE A SIDEWALK ON THE WEST SIDE, WE WOULDN'T MAKE A DECISION ADMINISTRATIVELY THAT WE WOULD REMOVE OR ALLOW SOMEBODY TO HAVE THAT SIDEWALK, WOULD WE? SO THERE'S NO SIDEWALK CURRENTLY IN FRONT OF THAT PROPERTY.

AND IT ACTUALLY AT THIS TIME, IT JUST TERMINATES, I THINK ON THE, THE NORTH SIDE OF THAT, THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY, NOT TO GET TOO MUCH INTO THE WEEDS, BUT THAT ONE, I THINK BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY GAPS OF, OF SIDEWALK THAT, THAT NORTHERN SECTION OF SIDEWALK, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO CONNECTION.

IT IS CLOSE TO LOUDERMILK PARK. IT'S ACTUALLY REALLY IT'S ON THE EAST SIDE.

YES. IT'S ON THE, THE EAST SIDE OF THE ROADWAY.

AND LIKE I SAID, THERE'S EXISTING ON STREET PARKING AND YOU KNOW, I THINK WE WOULD TYPICALLY REQUIRE SIDEWALK.

AND THEN WHAT WE TRIED TO DO IS AS THOSE PROPERTIES COME IN FOR REDEVELOPMENT, WE TYPICALLY AT LEAST REQUIRE SIDEWALK TO BE INSTALLED TO CONNECT.

AND THEN WE TRY TO FILL IN THE MISSING GAPS AS THE DEVELOPMENTS ARE, ARE REDEVELOPED.

WELL, MISSING GAPS, DO YOU MEAN GIVING AWAY RIGHT AWAY PARKING? IN THAT CASE, IT WOULD BE RIGHT AWAY. PARKING.

YES, ESSENTIALLY. BUT IT'S NOT PART OF THE POOL.

THAT'S NOT PART OF THAT'S NOT. SO LET ME YEAH, THERE'S A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE PARKING THAT WE COUNT FOR AND, AND BUT WAIT A MINUTE. IT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

IT IS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO IT IS IT IS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, BUT IT'S NOT PART OF THE BEACH.

COUNT THE NUMBERS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE RIGHT AWAY, AWAY.

WE'RE NOT GIVING RIGHT AWAY. AWAY. WELL WE BUT WE PARKING THAT AVAILABLE PARKING WOULD BE THAT THAT WOULD BE WHETHER OR NOT WE WOULD LOOK TO MAINTAIN THAT PARKING IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY THAT IS FRONTING THEIR PROPERTY.

WE'LL WELL, I WOULD JUST MY RECOMMENDATION TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THIS IS WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T SEE HOW WE COULD GIVE AWAY ANY RIGHT OF WAY PARKING, ESPECIALLY WHEN SEASON OR NOT SEASON. THERE'S A LINE DOWN THE STREET JUST TO GET INTO LOUDON PARK.

BUT YOU DO HAVE CONFLICTING CODE THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO PUT IN A SIDEWALK AND THEN YOU'RE TAKING THE RIGHT OF WAY.

SO, SO THE POINT IS THERE'S TO DELINEATE YOUR POINT, WE HAVE A LOT OF PARKING SPACES THAT AREN'T PART OF THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.

THIS ONE, BECAUSE IT SPREADS WHERE BEACH ACCESSES ARE AND STUFF.

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THE OTHER PARKING THOUGH, AND AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO YOUR CODE SAYS YOU MUST PUT IN A SIDEWALK.

AND THAT WAS THE OTHER PART OF THEIR QUESTION IS AS WELL AS THESE THINGS ARE GETTING DEVELOPED NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SIDEWALKS AND SEGMENTS IS WE'D LIKE IT TO BE A PERPETUAL SIDEWALK. AND THAT IS CONSISTENT. GOING BACK TO THAT FIRST SLIDE, WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT THEY WANTED BEFORE WAS SIDEWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET EVENTUALLY SO THAT THERE WAS CONNECTIVITY THERE.

SO TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR, YES, I AGREE WITH NOT DOING AWAY WITH WITH PARKING TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU CAN.

BUT IF YOU HAVE CONFLICTING WHERE YOU HAVE TO PUT IN, YOU HAVE TO PUT IN SIDEWALKS AND YOU CAN'T KEEP THE OTHER.

THEN WHERE ARE YOU? WHAT ARE YOU DOING? AND SO THAT'S PART OF THE ISSUE. WELL, I DON'T SEE IT CONFLICTING BECAUSE THE RIGHT OF WAY IS OURS.

AND WE WOULD MAINTAIN OUR PARKING. AND THE CODE IS THAT THEY PUT IN SIDEWALK.

SO IT HAS TO GO ON THERE. PUT THE SIDEWALK ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, KEEP THE PARKING ON THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THE SIDEWALK TO BE PUT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

THERE'S NO WITHOUT THE WITH THE PARKING, THERE'S NOT A SUFFICIENT SPACE FOR THE SIDEWALK.

ISN'T THAT CORRECT? THAT'S THAT'S FROM I, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DISCUSSING OR THAT'S WHAT THE CROSS SECTION THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED BEFORE, THAT THERE MIGHT BE A CHALLENGE WITH THAT, WITH MAKING THE AMPLE PARKING AND THE REQUIRED SIDEWALK.

SO THAT SIDE OF THE ROAD HAS BEEN REDEVELOPED AND THEY PUT IN SIDEWALK THE MOST RECENT LIKE THAT WERE DEVELOPED.

THIS IS WELL, THIS IS A THIS IS A FUTURE APPLICATION.

THIS IS A FUTURE. I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN SHE WAS REFERRING TO A FUTURE ABOUT THAT.

I WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT OUR PRACTICE HAS BEEN.

AND SO HAVE WE GIVEN AWAY RIGHT AWAY SO THAT THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS COULD ADD A SIDEWALK. AND THEY THEN WE LOST ON STREET PARKING.

WE HAVE HAD LOCATIONS WHERE THEY'VE REQUIRED, WE HAD REQUIRED THE SIDEWALK.

AND I, I WANT TO SAY THERE'S MAYBE ONE LOCATION WHERE THE WHEN THEY REDEVELOPED, THEY DIDN'T WANT TO, THEY DID NOT WANT TO INSTALL THE ON STREET PARKING.

AND I THINK THERE WAS A CONFLICT. I'D SAY THERE WAS A CONFLICT WITH THE, THE, WITH IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

OF COURSE, WE HAD TO HAVE SIDEWALK PER THE CODE.

SO THAT WAS, THAT WAS PART OF THE REQUIREMENT.

BUT THEN THERE WAS ALSO DESIRE TO NOT HAVE THE PARKING ANYMORE IN THAT SECTION.

SO THE, THE WAY THAT THE CODE IS WRITTEN AS FAR AS IF THERE'S AND AS YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF THESE PARKING APPLICATIONS THAT COME BEFORE YOU THE, IF THERE'S A CONVERSION OF GREEN SPACE TO HARDSCAPE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, OR IF IT'S A PREEXISTING CONDITION, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BRING IT BACK FOR APPROVAL AND CONSIDERATION.

THAT WAS BROUGHT TO THEIR ATTENTION AND THAT, THAT CASE.

AND SO THERE WAS A COUPLE OF PARKING SPACES ON THAT APPLICATION THAT WERE DONE.

THIS CAME BACK TO COUNCIL SINCE THEY WERE REMOVED.

NO, TYPICALLY, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE. YES. OKAY.

THIS IS TURNED. IT'S RETURNED TO GREEN SPACE.

WHY NOT? BECAUSE SHE SAID IT WOULD COME BACK.

SO I WAS ASKING IF THEY AMENDED THE PLAN TO NOT INCLUDE IT SO IT DIDN'T COME BACK.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. YES. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED SOME GOOD POLICY AROUND THERE.

WE CAN'T JUST GO HERE. ONE THIS. NO. AND YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE HAVE CONSISTENCY.

IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A SIDEWALK THAT'S CONNECTED, WHICH I THINK THAT IS PART OF OUR POLICY IS MAKING SURE WE HAVE SIDEWALK CONNECTED.

AND I'M WITH KRAMER. WHO ELSE? I MEAN, THE, WE NEED TO NOT BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT GIVING AWAY ANY PARKING IN THIS AREA.

BUT TO YOUR COMPLETE. OKAY. CAN YOU HELP ME UNDERSTAND? SO DID THESE PARTICULAR DRAWINGS COME FROM THE MIRACLE MILE THAT WE PAID FOR.

YES. YES. OKAY. LJ WAS THE CONTRACTOR, RIGHT? OKAY. THE ARCHITECT. OKAY. SO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS WHETHER.

WHICH ONE? WE KNOW. I WILL, I'LL HANDLE THIS.

I'M NOT. I'M NOT ASKING YOU IF YOU HAVE A DESIRE TO PURSUE ONE OF THESE THREE.

THEN I THINK IT STILL WOULD BE PREMATURE PRIOR TO KNOWING WHAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE UNDERNEATH IS.

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WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IF WE CONCEPTUALLY BELIEVE ONE OF THESE COULD COME TO FRUITION EVENTUALLY, THAT'S FINE. BUT AS IT EXISTS THIS AREA HAS WAS DEVASTATED BY IAN.

IT'S BEEN DEVASTATED FOR A WHILE. IT'S IT'S UNDERTAKING A SIGNIFICANT REBIRTH AND THE APPROACHES TO DO IT THREEFOLD.

ONE CONTINUE TO EVALUATE THE INFRASTRUCTURE, TO IMPROVE THE LANDSCAPING, TO BE MORE CONSISTENT WITH THAT WHICH IS FROM THIS FOUR SEASONS TYPE DOWN MINIMIZING COST, KNOWING THERE COULD BE A LONG TERM REPLACEMENT EXPENSE, BUT TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE AS MUCH OF THE REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL GREEN SPACE AS POSSIBLE.

AND, YOU KNOW, AND I UNDERSTAND, MR. BLANKENSHIP, YOU CAN INCREASE GREEN SPACE AND I'LL GIVE UP PARKING AND DO A TRAFFIC CALMING BY NARROWING THE ROAD THAT MIGHT ACCOMPLISH THREE THINGS. SO PURSUE THAT AS WELL. BUT I THINK JUST KNOWING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SHORT TERM, SHORT TERM HAS GIVE US THE AUTHORITY AND DESIRE THAT, YES, WE WANT TO MOVE THIS TO GETTING THE PLANTINGS DONE IN THE MIRACLE MILE, RECOGNIZING THERE'S A LONG TERM PLAN, AND THEN THE NEXT THING WOULD BE BRING BACK TO YOU RIGHT AWAY AND CODE CHANGES THAT MAY OR COULD BE CONSIDERED TO HELP FACILITATE BETTER RIGHT OF WAY COORDINATION RELATED TO FPL AND AND CONSTRUCTION AND EVERYTHING IN GENERAL.

THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT. YOU ALWAYS SUM IT UP EXACTLY.

SO IT MAKES SENSE. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU.

AND IT DOES. THAT WAS VERY CLEAR. IF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE PIECE, THOUGH, IS TO ME THE MOST IMPORTANT THING BEFORE WE GO THROUGH THE THREE OPTIONS, BECAUSE A BIOSWALE WOULDN'T BE NECESSARY IF WE ARE GOING TO RE DIRECT THE WATER.

RIGHT. AND I KNOW THAT THAT WAS PART OF A PLAN TO UPGRADE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO. YEAH. AND THE SIDEWALK WE RECOGNIZE WILL BE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE CAN YOU HAVE YOUR OWN CITY CODE CONFLICTS WITH ITSELF.

SO WE'LL. AND WE'LL LOOK AT THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE PARKING AND THE STREET PARKING AND THE SIDEWALK.

BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN ANOTHER VEIN IN THIS VEIN, THOUGH, IS, IS THIS, THIS THIS PLAN MAY HAVE ITS PURPOSE.

IT CAN STILL BE EVALUATED FOR ITS PURPOSE IN THE OVERALL SCHEME OF THINGS, BUT IN THE SHORT RUN AND NEEDING THE PARKING AND NEEDING TO BEAUTIFY THE AREA TO MAKE IT ESTHETICALLY PLEASING TO RESTORE TO ITS PRE EON DAYS TO, TO CONTINUE ON THAT IT'S AND IT'S NOT A POP UP.

THIS IS BEING BEEN BEING WORKED ON. IT'S JUST TIME TO, TO PUT SOME OF THE PLANTINGS IN THE GROUND AND GET THIS MOVING.

SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE ARE IN THE SHORT TERM WITHOUT OVER COMMITTING FINANCIALLY.

GIVEN THAT IT'S A FIVE, SEVEN YEAR, YOU COULD BE DOING AN INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO I HEARD WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT INFRASTRUCTURE.

YES. THAT WILL BE WE'LL REPORT BACK TO YOU PROBABLY WITHIN SIX MONTHS ON INFRASTRUCTURE, JUST FROM A TIMELINE PERSPECTIVE IN THE STATE OF THOSE, THE STATE OF THAT INFRASTRUCTURE UNDERNEATH THAT STRETCH.

SO AS LONG AS THERE'S A CONSENSUS, I THINK, WHICH I BELIEVE I HAVE.

SO I THINK I FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT WHERE WE'RE HEADED.

YES, GIRL. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM. OKAY, THAT CONCLUDES SIX C.

MOVING TO 60. YES, MA'AM. SO THIS IS AT THIS TIME DOCTOR GEORGE WILL COME UP AND.

[6.D) Discussion regarding Preservation of Public Rights-of-Way and Easements for Public Utilities Renewal (CityPUR) Projects and other Infrastructure Resiliency Applications. ]

AND THIS IS A DISCUSSION OF RIGHT OF WAY EASEMENTS PUBLIC UTILITIES.

OH NO, I TAKE THAT BACK. ALLISON IS ON THIS ONE AS WELL.

THIS THIS ONE REALLY IS A HOW DO I SAY THIS? YOU KNOW WHAT WE'VE HAD? WE TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE SWALE RECLAMATION, RIGHT? WELL, THAT THOSE ARE IN OUR RIGHT OF WAYS. WE TALK ABOUT THE OUTFALL PROJECT.

AND WE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD A LOT OF LANDSCAPING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

AND WE'VE TAKEN THAT OUT AND, AND NOW WE'RE RESTORING THINGS AS WE GO TO THAT GRASS.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF.

WE TALK ABOUT HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE GOING TO BE COMMITTING TO STORMWATER AND WATER AND SEWER.

AND SO PROTECTING OUR RIGHTS OF WAY AND EASEMENTS IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN EVER.

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SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO DOCTOR GEORGE AND ALLISON FOR THEIR PRESENTATION.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN.

AND ACCOMPANIED BY DOCTOR GEORGE. NOW FOR THIS PRESENTATION WE ARE PRESENTING A OVERVIEW OF OUR PUBLIC RIGHTS WAYS AND EASEMENTS AND FOCUSING ON STRATEGIC REAL ESTATE MANAGEMENT AND LONG TERM RESOURCE PROTECTION TO MEET FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS.

THIS GOES WITHOUT SAYING, BUT NAPLES IS UNDENIABLY A SPECIAL PLACE.

RECOGNIZED FOR ITS EXCEPTIONAL COMMUNITY CHARACTER AND HIGH TIER PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE.

TO MAINTAIN THIS ENVIRONMENT, OUR DEPARTMENT WORKS INDIVIDUALLY WITH DEVELOPERS, ENGINEERS, AND PROPERTY OWNERS TO HANDLE SITE SPECIFIC CONDITIONS WHILE STAYING IN COMPLIANCE WITH EXISTING CODES AND POLICIES.

AS AN AWARD WINNING COMMUNITY, WE REQUIRE TOP TIER INFRASTRUCTURE.

HOWEVER, THESE HIGH VALUE MODERN HOMES ARE INCORPORATING SUBSTANTIALLY LARGER RESIDENTIAL FOOTPRINTS RATHER THAN THE SMALLER COTTAGES WE USED TO SEE WITH THIS BUILD OUT.

THIS CREATES WHAT WE WILL CALL A YARD SQUEEZE WHICH REDUCES THE REMAINING YARD SPACE AND TRIGGERS PRESSURE FROM PROPERTY OWNERS TO SHIFT TO PRIVATE INSTALLATIONS LIKE POOL PAVERS, FENCES, AND LANDSCAPING INTO PUBLIC EASEMENTS AND RIGHT OF WAY.

SO WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO PROPERTY OWNERS? WE UNDERSTAND WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO PROPERTY OWNERS IS RESILIENCY.

WHAT WE JUST SPOKE TO CURB APPEAL AND PRIVACY.

BUT BECAUSE LARGER HOMES RESULT IN SMALLER YARDS, WE ARE SEEING FREQUENT REQUESTS TO ENCROACH INTO EASEMENTS WITH POOL DECKS AND RETAINING WALLS. WE NEED TO EMPHASIZE THE NEED TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC EASEMENTS AND RIGHT OF WAYS.

SO PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND DEDICATED EASEMENTS REPRESENT PHYSICALLY LIMITED CORRIDORS.

THE EXPANDING PRIVATE FOOTPRINTS CONTINUOUSLY COMPRESS THE PUBLIC SPACE.

THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT PROVIDING SPACE, IT'S ABOUT PROTECTING PUBLIC INVESTMENTS, MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE RESILIENCY PROJECTS SUCH AS THE STORMWATER BEACH OUTFALL PROJECT AND THE FUTURE RIVER PARK EAST PROJECT, HEAVILY DEPEND ON THESE CORRIDORS.

AND WHEN I REFER TO REAL ESTATE IN REFERENCE TO PUBLIC EASEMENTS, I DON'T INTEND TO RELAY THAT THE CITY OWNS THIS AREA.

THE OWNERSHIP REMAINS WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER.

ESSENTIALLY, AN EASEMENT DOES NOT TRANSFER THAT LAND OWNERSHIP.

IT RUNS WITH THE LAND AND BUT THE RIGHT TO THE OF THE PROPERTY OWNER TO BUILD OR MODIFY THAT SPECIFIC STRIP IS RESTRICTED AND SUBJECT TO THE INTENT OF THE EASEMENT DEDICATION. THIS PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY OWNER GENERALLY MUST MAINTAIN THE SURFACE AREA, SUCH AS MOWING GRASS, BUT CANNOT INTERFERE WITH THE ACCESS OR STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF THE DRAINAGE OR UTILITY SYSTEMS UNDERNEATH OR CROSSING THAT AREA.

FOR PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. THE OWNERSHIP IS, OF COURSE, THE CITY OR PUBLIC.

THERE IS A MASSIVE NETWORK OF UNFORESEEN CHALLENGES RIGHT UNDER OUR FEET, AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS PHOTO RIGHT HERE.

THE UTILITY AND MUNICIPAL DEMANDS HAVE SEVERELY REDUCED AVAILABLE PUBLIC CORRIDOR SPACE.

WE ARE MANAGING EXPANDING TELECOMMUNICATIONS SYSTEMS WITH HIGH SPEED FIBER THAT I'M SURE YOU ARE WELL AWARE OF.

BRANCHING OUT INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. ADVANCED DRAINAGE FACILITIES AND REGIONAL EFFORTS TO UNDERGROUND FPL ELECTRICAL GRIDS.

AND THOSE ARE ALL COMPETING FOR THE EXACT SAME PHYSICAL ROOM IN OUR RIGHT OF WAY.

SO THIS GIVES YOU A REALLY GOOD ILLUSTRATION OF WHAT WE FORESEE IN CHALLENGES UNDERNEATH THE, THE GROUND. RIGHT HERE YOU HAVE AN UNDERGROUND CROSS SECTION STANDARD THAT ILLUSTRATES JUST HOW TIGHTLY PACKED THE UNDERGROUND SECTION OF THE RIGHT OF WAY IS. EVERY FOOT OF SUBSURFACE AND SUBSURFACE SPACE IS ALLOCATED FOR SPECIFIC PUBLIC UTILITY FUNCTIONS, AND IT HAS BECOME MORE BUILT OUT WITHOUT TIME.

WITH TIME. THIS CROSS-SECTION ILLUSTRATES AN URBAN CROSS-SECTION WITH ROADWAY STORM DRAINAGE, INLETS AND SIDEWALK, AND DOES NOT INCLUDE STREET TREES OR LIGHTS ON THIS SECTION, BUT JUST GENERALLY GIVES YOU A FOOTPRINT OF WHAT WE SEE, WHAT WE TRY TO GEAR OUR UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE TOWARDS.

TRY NOT TO ALIGN THAT AS MUCH WITHIN OUR ROADS AND THE PAVED AREA, BECAUSE WHEN WE NEED TO GO IN AND DO MAINTENANCE IT'S BEST TO HAVE IT UNDER THAT GREEN SPACE, GREEN SPACE CORRIDOR. AND FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE FROM DEALING WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS AND UTILITIES SIDE THE PREFERENCE IS NOT TO HAVE ALL THOSE, THOSE TREES AND OTHER BUILT IN CONDITIONS WITHIN OUR RIGHTS OF WAY BECAUSE THEY JUST MAKE A CHALLENGE FOR ALL THAT UNDERGROUND ALL

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AS YOU'RE AWARE OF PROGRAMS LIKE THE CITY PIER LONG TERM 2040, THE BASIN BY BASIN THREE B'S PROGRAM IN THE CITY.

IMMEDIATE REMEDIAL ACTION ARE A PROGRAM. PROGRAM.

ALL REQUIRE SPACE. AS YOU KNOW, THE. YOU MAY RECALL, THE CITY PIER PROGRAM IS MORE OF A LONG TERM APPROACH TO REPLACING OUR AGING INFRASTRUCTURE, STORMWATER AND UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE, AND IMPROVEMENTS OF A BASIN WIDE LEVEL OF SERVICE.

THE BASIN BY BASIN HOTSPOTS. JUST TO TOUCH ON THESE, SINCE THESE ARE ON THE THE SCREEN IS MORE OF A SHORT TERM TARGETED INTERIM INTERIM CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WE CHECK ON SPECIFIC SPECIFIC LOCATIONS WHERE THERE'S THOSE CRITICAL LOCATIONS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

AND THEN THE CITY IRA PROGRAM THOSE ARE MORE OF THE IMMEDIATE OPERATIONAL RESPONSE AND STORM WATER STORM SEASON READINESS PROJECTS THAT WE TRY TO TACKLE FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, AND MANAGING THESE OVERLAPPING REQUESTS REALLY REQUIRES TIGHTER ADMINISTRATIVE CONTROLS, ADVANCED GIS ASSET MAPPING. WE ARE TRYING TO WORK.

WE HAVE A GIS TEAM MEMBER NOW THAT IS, IS HELPING COORDINATE THESE EFFORTS STRICTER ADHERENCE TO STORMWATER QUALITY AND STORMWATER QUALITY STANDARDS. A FUTURE CLIMATE IMPACTS AND SEA LEVEL RISE DEMAND. THOSE PUBLIC DEDICATED REAL ESTATE FOR STORMWATER PUMP STATIONS AND LOCALIZED LIFT STATIONS.

THESE PUMP STATIONS REQUIRE HIGHLY SPECIALIZED FOOTPRINTS AND CLEAR ZONES WITHIN THOSE AREAS.

SO WE MUST RESERVE THAT SPACE INSIDE THOSE CURRENT EASEMENTS TODAY FOR ANY OF THOSE NEEDS, THOSE PIPES THAT MAY NEED TO BE PUT INTO THOSE GRIDS AND SECURE FUTURE FLOOD MITIGATION PUMP, PUMP GRIDS PREVENTING PRIVATE ENCROACHMENT ENSURES THAT THE CITY RETAINS LAND OPTIONS FOR CRITICAL RESILIENCE UPGRADES AND AVOIDS COSTLY OR LESS OPTIMAL CONFIGURATIONS LATER. OUR TEAM HAS ALREADY, AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, HAS HAD CHALLENGES WITH OUR MORE RECENT RESILIENCY PROJECTS.

SO THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US IN MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE LOOKING AHEAD AND BEING READY FOR THE FUTURE.

RESTRICTING STRUCTURAL AND VEGETATION ENCROACHMENT.

SO TO PREVENT THESE OTHER OPERATIONAL FAILURES, WE MUST RESTRICT THE STRUCTURAL VEGETATION ENCROACHMENTS.

WE HAVE VERTICAL OBSTRUCTIONS LIKE ROOF OVERHANGS THAT WE ARE WE WE ARE FACED WITH MORE FREQUENTLY AND THEY PREVENT REALLY THE MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT AND SAFETY OF THOSE, THOSE NAVIGATING CORRIDORS.

YOU CAN ONLY ASSUME THAT WHEN WE TRIED TO GET IN THERE TO PERFORM ANY WORK, IF THOSE ARE BLOCKED, IF WE HAVE EQUIPMENT AND THERE'S OVERHANGS, THOSE ARE REALLY A CHALLENGE WITH TRYING TO GET IN AND PERFORM WORK.

SO WE ARE REALLY RECEIVING SOME PUSHBACK FROM SOME OF THOSE APPLICANTS THAT ARE STILL STARTING TO BUILD OUT.

LIKE I SAID, FROM THAT YARD SQUEEZE, THEY'RE STARTING TO COME OUT TO THE VERY EXTENTS.

THE ROOF OVERHANGS ARE, ARE, ARE FREQUENTLY COMING IN IN THEIR SUBMITTING APPLICATIONS FOR THOSE TO EXTEND INTO THOSE CORRIDORS WHERE THOSE EASEMENTS ARE. SO WHEN WE REJECT THOSE, SOMETIMES WE RECEIVE PUSHBACK THERE SAYING, WELL, THE ACTUAL FOOTPRINT IS HERE, BUT THE CHALLENGE IS, IS WHEN WE GO IN AND WE NEED TO DO PERFORM WORK, IF THERE'S AN OVERHEAD OBSTRUCTION, THAT'S A CHALLENGE FOR THE TEAM.

SO WE'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THAT A LITTLE MORE CLOSELY.

I INTERRUPT YOU A SECOND BECAUSE I THINK FOR LEGAL AND MR. YOUNG, THAT IS PART OF OR MAYBE EVEN YOU, DOCTOR GEORGE.

THAT'S PART OF ONE OF THE 32 INTERPRETATION CODES THAT WE HAVEN'T ANALYZED YET.

SO. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE VEGETATION VEGETATIVE ENCROACHMENTS THAT ARE ALSO A MAJOR RISK THAT I'LL SHOW YOU IN THE NEXT SLIDES WHERE THERE'S TREE ROOTS THAT DAMAGE THE SANITARY SEWER LINES AND OVERGROWN VEGETATION, THAT'S SIGNIFICANTLY, SIGNIFICANTLY LENGTHENS THE CITYWIDE UTILITY RESTORATION TIMES AFTER MAJOR STORMS. AND HERE'S A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE ENCROACHMENT CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE IN REAL WORLD EXAMPLES.

THE RIGHT OF WAY APPLICATIONS OR TYPICALLY THESE ARE AFTER THE FACT INSTALLATIONS OF SOME OF THE STACKED ROCK.

THE, THE PHOTO. THE STACKED ROCK IS ACTUALLY ONE THAT WAS PLACED RIGHT OVER UTILITIES WE HAD WE HAD A WATER MAIN IN THAT PHOTO.

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THEY HAD ALREADY INSTALLED THAT THEY SAID, OH, WE JUST HAVE SOME ROCKS, YOU KNOW, ON THE, ON THE PLAN, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CROSS SECTION.

AND WE GO OUT THERE AND I SAID, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE AN EASY IF WE NEED TO GET TO OUR WATER MAIN, THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE AN EASY AREA TO, TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN AND DO ANY WORK ON.

SO THE PROPERTY OWNER ULTIMATELY ENDED UP REMOVING THOSE STACKED ROCKS THAT ARE IN THAT PHOTO AND TRIED TO REDESIGN, BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE CHALLENGES LIKE I HAVE ON HERE AS FAR AS LANDSCAPING ENCROACHMENTS, WE GET REQUESTS FOR FENCING AND THOSE HAVE REALLY BEEN A CHALLENGE.

OUR MORE RECENT REQUESTS THAT HAVE COME IN FOR ENCROACHMENTS HAVE BEEN TO INSTALL SIGNAGE COLUMNS AND OTHER SIGNIFICANT APPLICATIONS WITHIN OUR EASEMENTS, WHICH WE'VE BEEN ALSO RECEIVING PUSHBACK FROM APPLICANTS WHEN WE'VE DENIED THOSE.

SO THAT'S DEFINITELY BEEN A MAJOR CHALLENGE FOR THE DEPARTMENT IN HANDLING THOSE, THOSE CASES.

THIS SLIDE HERE IS ILLUSTRATES THE DIRECT CONFLICT BETWEEN PRIVATE LANDSCAPING AND CITY ASSETS WITH A PLACEMENT OF LANDSCAPE, PARTICULARLY MORE INTRUSIVE PLANTS THAT CAN IMPACT UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL AS CITY INFRASTRUCTURE SUCH AS SIDEWALKS.

IN ADDITION, WHEN SEVERE WEATHER STRIKES, HEAVY PRIVATE LANDSCAPED, PLANTED LANDSCAPING PLANTED WITHIN THE PUBLIC EASEMENTS RIGHT OF WAYS CREATE MAJOR DAMAGE TO THE OVERHEAD LINES. THEY RIP UP UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE, DAMAGE THE SIDEWALKS, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THIS PHOTO, AND ALSO BLOCK ACCESS TO OUR CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.

ADMINISTRATIVE VETTING AND LETTERS OF NO OBJECTION PROTOCOLS.

SO TO MANAGE THESE RISKS, THE PUBLIC WORKS HAS INCREASINGLY TAKEN STEPS TO REQUIRE MORE OF A ZERO STRUCTURAL ALLOWANCE POLICY INTERNALLY OF NO PERMANENT PRIVATE STRUCTURES PERMITTED WITHIN OUR PUBLIC EASEMENTS.

AND THIS HOLDS TRUE FOR THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, EXCEPT FOR I'LL BRING UP THE CASE FOR THE MONUMENTAL MALE MAILBOXES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOLLOWING PRIOR CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSION AND APPLICATION OF A RIGHT OF WAY USE AGREEMENT FOR REMOVABLE SURFACE IMPROVEMENTS LIKE BASIC PAVER PATIOS OR FENCES. A FORMAL LETTER OF NO OBJECTION OR RIGHT OF WAY PERMIT IS REQUIRED.

THESE DOCUMENTS CONTAIN CLEAR, REVOCABLE RIGHTS, ALLOWING THE CITY TO REQUIRE REMOVAL IF A FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE NEED NEED ARISES.

AND LET'S TURN TO RIGHT AWAY APPLICANT VACATIONS.

I'M SURE YOU MAY HAVE SOME FAMILIARITY. BE FAMILIAR WITH THESE.

A VACATION IS A PERMANENT, IRREVERSIBLE, IRREVERSIBLE LEGAL ACTION THAT COMPLETELY STRIPS THE CITY OF ITS TITLE AND USAGE INTERESTS OVER A CORRIDOR ONCE PUBLIC LAND REVERTS TO PRIVATE PARCELS.

IT IS ESSENTIALLY GONE FOREVER AND ABANDONED THESE PUBLIC CORRIDORS CREATES A SEVERE LONG TERM RISK BY ERASING THOSE VITAL LOCATIONS WHERE WE MAY NEED FUTURE SYSTEM UPGRADES AND EXPANSIONS. UNDER CITY CODE SECTION 46.

38 IS FOR THE CITY RETAINS FULL ADMINISTRATION ADMINISTRATIVE DISCRETION OVER VACATION REQUEST PETITIONS CAN BE DENIED A FUTURE UTILITY NEEDS UNDERGROUNDING OR DRAINAGE EXPANSIONS CANNOT BE COMPLETELY RULED OUT.

THIS IS AN AREA WHERE WE DO GET CHALLENGED FOR RESERVATION OF FUTURE UNKNOWN IMPROVEMENTS.

THAT I MAY HAVE BROUGHT BEFORE, PARTICULARLY WHERE THERE IS NO EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO WE TYPICALLY IF SOMEONE COMES IN AND THEY SAY, HEY, I WANT TO, I WANT TO PUT IN THIS RETAINING WALL, I NEED TO, ESPECIALLY THE MORE OF THE CHALLENGES THEY'RE BUILDING UP, THEY'RE COMING INTO COMPLIANCE WITH FEMA REQUIREMENTS.

THEIR ELEVATIONS ARE ARE HIGHER. THEY'RE TRYING TO MEET THE STORMWATER REQUIREMENTS AS WELL WHEN THEY BUILD UP, DEPENDING ON WHERE THEIR NEIGHBOR IS, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE THEIR BERMS. BUT THE CHALLENGE SOMETIMES LAYS IN THOSE CROSS SECTIONS. AND WE TYPICALLY GET REQUESTS BECAUSE OF THOSE, THOSE CHANGES IN ELEVATIONS TO INSTALL A RETAINING WALL TO TO MEET THAT, THAT GRADE. SO THAT HAS BEEN AN ONGOING CHALLENGE OVER THE YEARS.

SO WE, WE HAVE BEEN PUSHING BACK, BUT TO OFFSET ANY AVOIDABLE LOSS OF THE PUBLIC LANDS, WE HAVE BEEN WE'VE BEEN PUSHING BACK FOR THAT AND ASSURING THAT THERE IS NO STRUCTURAL APPLICATIONS IN, IN THOSE, THOSE CASES. SO AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE SOME, SOME, SOME CHALLENGES WE HAVE BEEN IMPLEMENTING.

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WE HAVE BEEN REQUESTING A COUNTER DEDICATION OF ALTERNATIVE EQUIVALENT SPACE AS LIKE A STANDARD CONDITION OF THESE APPLICATIONS REQUESTING IF, HEY, IF YOU WANT US TO GIVE YOU A TEN FOOT IF YOU WANT TO US TO VACATE THAT TEN FOOT EASEMENT, THEN YOU NEED TO REDEDICATE ANOTHER TEN FOOT EASEMENT THAT MAY BE VALUABLE TO US.

SO IN MOST CASES WHEN WE'VE BEEN REQUESTING THIS, THIS HAS APPEARED TO BECOME A DETERRENT TO THE APPLICANTS.

WHEN THESE REQUESTS HAVE COME IN, I HAVE HAD HONEST CONVERSATIONS WITH THE ATTORNEYS.

I WILL SAY THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS AND QUESTIONED WHY SHOULD WE VACATE THIS LAND? WHY SHOULD WE GIVE IT UP? AND WHAT PUBLIC BENEFIT IS THERE? AND IF THERE IS NO NEED OR NO FIT FOR RECIPROCAL EASEMENT, A FINAL FINANCIAL OPTION HAS BEEN DISCUSSED.

AND PERHAPS ANOTHER PROPOSAL IN THOSE CASES AS ANOTHER PROPOSAL TO CONSIDER.

SO IF THERE IS NO VALUE IN THAT, WE HAVE DISCUSSED AS AN ALTERNATIVE EITHER THE RECIPROCAL OF THE THE VACATION OR THE THE FINANCIAL OBLIGATION. WE ARE CONTINUOUSLY MODERNIZING, MODERNIZING OUR PROCESS. THE DEPARTMENT IS CURRENTLY BUILDING AUTOMATED REVIEW LANGUAGE WITHIN OUR CITY, VIEW SOFTWARE TO SYSTEMATICALLY PROVIDE REQUIREMENTS THAT THE APPLICANT MUST ASSURE THERE IS NO UNFORESEEN ENCROACHMENT ATTEMPTS.

AND THAT GOES BACK TO TRYING TO SUBMIT IN THESE APPLICATIONS SOME SOME OF THESE APPLICATIONS, THE THE LINE WORK MAY NOT BE APPEAR COMPLETELY APPARENT THAT THERE IS AN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S IN THOSE EASEMENTS THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.

AND THIS KIND OF GIVES US ANOTHER WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THERE.

WHEN THESE ARE RELEASED THAT INDICATES THAT THERE SHALL BE NO ENCROACHMENTS.

IT'S ON THE APPLICANT TO ASSURE THAT THERE'S THEY ARE NOT ENCROACHING AND INTO THOSE EASEMENTS.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON ON THE PERMITTING SIDE. AND ADDITIONALLY, I WANT TO RELAY THAT OUR RIGHT OF WAY PERMIT APPLICATIONS ARE CURRENTLY STRUCTURED AT A FLAT FEE OF $150.

THIS IS FOR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL APPLICATIONS AND IS A VERY LOW AMOUNT IN COMPARISON TO OUR SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONAL AGENCIES TO FAIRLY COMPENSATE FOR THE TIME INVOLVED IN THE REVIEW IMPACTS AND INSPECTIONS, A FORMAL FEE STRUCTURE UPDATE IS FORTHCOMING FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

SO WE'VE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT AND PLAN TO BRING THAT.

SO I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A HEADS UP ON THAT FRONT.

POLICY RECOMMENDATIONS. THIS IS THE LAST. BUT IN CONCLUSION, WE HAVE SEVERAL KEY POLICY DIRECTIVES THAT PROTECT OUR LONG TERM RESILIENCE. THOSE ARE CONFIRMING THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS SUPPORT TO TAKE THE LEAD AND PRESERVE OUR PUBLIC EASEMENTS BY REJECTION OF STRUCTURAL AND MORE PERMANENT REQUESTS TO ENCROACH INTO EASEMENTS, SO WE MAY RESERVE THE SPACE FOR FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS.

AND THIS IS IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER FOR EASEMENTS, WHERE WE MAY CURRENTLY HAVE NO EXISTING UNDERGROUND UTILITIES.

BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT'S SOMETHING THEY SAY, WELL, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THERE. BUT THE CHALLENGES, AS WE'VE DISCUSSED INTERNALLY, WE HAVE THESE FUTURE NEEDS THAT WE'RE STARTING TO SEE.

WE'RE STARTING TO HAVE THESE PROJECTS, THE RESILIENCY THAT WE NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR.

AND THEN ALSO VALIDATING OUR COUNTER DEDICATION REQUIREMENTS FOR VACATION THAT WE'RE IN LINE WITH REQUESTING THESE RECIPROCAL DEDICATIONS OF THESE EASEMENTS SUPPORTING RESTRICTIONS ON THESE VERTICAL STRUCTURAL EXPANSIONS OVER OUR, OUR OUR PUBLIC EASEMENTS AND MAINTAINING A PROACTIVE RESILIENCY FOCUS TO PRESERVE FUTURE PUMP STATIONS AND UTILITY FOOTPRINTS WITHIN OUR EASEMENTS AND RIGHT OF WAYS.

AND THEN FINALLY, ULTIMATELY IMPLEMENTING FUTURE UPDATED RIGHT OF WAY LANGUAGE STRENGTHEN TOWARDS PROTECTION AND PRESERVATION OF OUR EASEMENTS AND THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

WITH THAT, I WILL ASK IF DOCTOR GEORGE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE ANY WORDS TO SAY TO ADD TO THIS DISCUSSION.

AND BEFORE TURNING IT OVER TO FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, THANK YOU ALLISON.

I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD SUMMARY. AND I JUST WANT TO FOCUS ON LAST SLIDE THAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR SCREEN.

THE PRIMARY DRIVER FOR THAT RECOMMENDATION FOR DISCUSSION AND RECOMMENDATIONS IS THAT IT'S ALL ABOUT REAL ESTATE.

WHAT WE HAVE NOW, WHAT WE NEED IN THE FUTURE AND WHAT WE NEED AND WE'RE GOING TO NEED IN FAR FUTURE.

AND THE REAL ESTATE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAYS SUPPOSED TO BE, AND ONLY NEEDS TO BE USED

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WE DIDN'T HAVE FIBER OPTICS TEN YEARS AGO, 20 YEARS AGO, BUT NOW WE HAVE FIBER OPTICS.

SO WHEN WE GO THERE AND START REPAIRING OUR CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE IN OUR RIGHT OF WAYS, NOT ONLY WE'RE DOING BRAIN SURGERY, MEANING FIBER OPTICS AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS THAT SEND SIGNALS BACK AND FORTH, BUT ALSO WE'RE DOING HEART SURGERY.

FIXING THE WATER SUPPLY, ESSENTIAL LIFE SUSTAINING SERVICE, AND WASTEWATER.

THAT'S AS ESSENTIAL. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAPTURE WHAT WE WASTE IN OUR HOUSEHOLD AND WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO IN SUMMARY, WHAT WE HAVE SEEN SINCE OUR CITY MANAGER CAME ON BOARD AND BROUGHT ME ON BOARD IS THAT THERE HAS BEEN ROUTINE REQUESTS FOR THE REAL ESTATE THAT THE COUNCIL OWNS AND DO HAVE FULL AUTHORITY HOW TO MANAGE AND HOW TO MAKE BEST OUT OF VERY LIMITED RIGHT OF WAYS AND EASEMENTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, NOT ONLY FOR OUR CURRENT OPERATIONS, BUT NEAR FUTURE AND FUTURE AND FAR FUTURE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AND NEEDS THAT.

WE HAVE TO HAVE VISION FOR. SO. IT'S OUR. AND MY STRONG RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE HAVE THE CONSENSUS FROM OUR COUNCIL TO FURTHER LOOK INTO THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS AND COME BACK TO YOU WITH A SET OF RECOMMENDATIONS AND UPGRADES AND ENHANCEMENTS TO CURRENT RULES AND REGULATIONS AND ORDINANCES, SO THAT NOT ONLY WE PRESERVE WHAT WE HAVE, BUT WE SEEK OPPORTUNITIES.

AND WHEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITIES, WE CAPITALIZE ON THOSE TO ADD TO CURRENTLY WHAT WE HAVE AS LIMITED PUBLIC ASSETS FOR CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE. I HAVE LOOKED BACK ALMOST 50 YEARS BEFORE THIS PRESENTATION, AND I HAVE SEEN STORMWATER RETENTION PONDS FILLED TO THE POINT THAT ONE CAN BUILD FROM A SMALL COTTAGE TO A MANSION.

AND I HAVE SEEN ALLEYWAYS BEING VACATED. AND YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE IN THOSE ALLEYWAYS, INCLUDING SOLID WASTE OPERATIONS NO DIFFERENT THAN WASTEWATER.

WASTEWATER FLOWS UNDERGROUND. SOLID WASTE GOES ABOVE GROUND.

WE COLLECT SOLID WASTE LIKE SOLID WASTE. WE COLLECT WASTEWATER AS FLUID AND LIQUID UNDERGROUND WASTEWATER BECOMES REUSE, RECYCLED SOLID WASTE BECOMES REUSE. RECYCLED ABOVE GROUND.

BUT I NEED THOSE ALLEYWAYS AS WELL. NOT JUST UNDERGROUND, BUT ABOVE GROUND OPERATIONS, INCLUDING OUR EMERGENCY RESPONSE, AMONG OTHERS. SO WITHOUT GETTING INTO GRANULAR, A NUMBER OF EXAMPLES, I'M SURE I'VE BEEN HERE OVER 38 YEARS. I HAVE SEEN ENOUGH OF IT. AND I THINK THAT OUR COUNCILMEN AND WOMEN HAS EXPERIENCED IT AS WELL.

WE NEED TO PRESERVE OUR RIGHT OF WAYS. WE NEED TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT OUR PUBLIC UTILITY EASEMENTS.

AND WE NEED TO CAPITALIZE ON RECENT EXAMPLE IS PIECE OF LAND THAT WE PUT ASIDE FOR FUTURE PUMP STATION FOR THE STORMWATER.

AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE INTENT HERE IS AND CONSISTENT WITH YOUR NEAR PAST ACTIONS THAT YOU HAVE TAKEN.

EXCELLENT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. STRONG WORK.

COUNCIL QUESTIONS. VICE MAYOR, ARE YOU JUST LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS THAT WE AGREE WITH THESE? YEAH, YEAH. AND AS MUCH AS ANYTHING REALLY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS IS A TOWN OF HISTORY.

SO WHEN YOU DO SOMETHING FOR YOUR NEIGHBOR AND YOU'RE NOT, OR YOU CAN NO LONGER DO IT.

WE WANTED THIS COUNCIL TO KNOW THAT WHEN WE'RE TELLING PEOPLE, NO, WE'RE NOT WILLING TO SIGN OFF ON THAT ON VACATION, OR WE'RE NOT WILLING TO SIGN OFF ON THAT. NO, LO IS BECAUSE WE WE HAVE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS ON OUR OWN.

AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, AS MUCH AS ANYTHING ELSE, RIGHT OF WAY STANDARDS, JUST ENFORCING OUR RIGHT OF WAY STANDARDS WOULD,

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SO THIS IS REALLY JUST TO TRY TO LEVEL SET THE COMMUNITY AS MUCH AS ANYTHING ELSE.

AND COUNCIL, IT'S A DIFFERENT ERA. AND WHEN THIS OUTFALL PROJECT GETS DONE, I ALSO DON'T NEED THOSE HOUSES, AND I KNOW THEY'VE ENDURED A LOT. BUT TO PUT LANDSCAPE BACK ON TOP AND THE RIGHT OF WAY, BECAUSE YOU COULD BE RIGHT NEXT TO OUR WATER LINE AND RIGHT NEXT TO OUR SANITARY SEWER LINE. AND THAT'S THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS, IS REALLY JUST TO GET A GENERAL UNDERSTANDING.

GENERAL HOPEFUL SUPPORT. AND JUST THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS TO UNDERSTAND IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT DAY IF WE'RE GOING TO TACKLE THIS INFRASTRUCTURE AND RESILIENCY INITIATIVE.

YEAH, THESE ALL MAKE SENSE TO ME AND THAT WE DO NEED THAT COMMUNICATION TO PEOPLE TO KNOW WHY WE'RE MAKING THESE MOVES.

IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE BEING MEAN OR WE WE THEIR NEIGHBOR BETTER THAN THEM.

IT'S JUST THAT WE FOUND WE HAVE HUGE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS AND DEFERRED MAINTENANCE THAT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS.

AND THAT'S WHY WE NEED THE RIGHT OF WAY AND EASEMENTS.

YEAH. AND, AND I WOULD GET IT ON THE BACK SIDE WITH GEORGE AND DISCUSSIONS ON THE FRONT SIDE.

I'M WORKING WITH MIGUEL AND AND MONIQUE TO CRAFT A LETTER SAYING PLEASE DON'T TO THE HOMEOWNERS.

YOU KNOW, IN THE OUTFALL PROJECT. AND IT JUST COMES ACROSS BUREAUCRATIC.

AND IT WAS JUST LIKE, OKAY, BEFORE WE HAVE AND START SENDING OUT ANY LETTERS REMINDING THEM OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.

AND IT'S IMPORTANT ON OUR INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE HAD A PUBLIC DISCUSSION.

SO YOU KNEW IT WAS AN EMPHASIS THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE AND NEED TO HAVE AS A GROUP COLLECTIVELY GOING FORWARD.

SO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO PRESENT THAT.

YES. PART OF THAT COMMUNICATION, GARY, IN MY OPINION, WOULD BE TO, TO PROVIDE THE PUBLIC WITH A DEFINITION OF WHAT PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IS, BECAUSE YOU PUT ROW IN THERE AND THEY GO, WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU WANT A PIECE OF MY YARD? IT'S NOT THEIR YARD. THEY DON'T OWN IT. AND WE NEED TO EDUCATE THEM ON THAT.

THEY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE TAKING YOUR PLANTS OFF OF OUR PROPERTY, AND THEY DON'T SEE IT THAT WAY UNTIL THEY GET THE EDUCATION.

SO PART OF THAT COMMUNICATION SHOULD BE EDUCATION.

ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU, SIR. AND I THINK HELPING THEM UNDERSTAND THE HISTORICAL REASON FOR IT.

IT'S NOT US. IT WAS THE CITY PLANNERS WAY BACK WHEN.

WHEN THEY SET UP THE TOWN TO PROVIDE FOR THE PUBLIC GOOD.

YEAH. AND YOU AND I BOTH KNOW WE CAN. YOU CAN DRIVE ON ANY STREET.

JUST HEAD, HEAD THIS WAY AND ANY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TEN BY THE TIME YOU REACH THE.

IF YOU JUST ZIGZAG A LITTLE BIT WHERE YOU GOT TO CREEP OUT.

SO FAR YOU CAN'T GET PAST THE SHRUBS AND THE BUSHES.

SO IT'S MORE THAN JUST OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. AND WE ALL KNOW THAT.

SO THANK YOU. YEAH. I MEAN, THE ONE THING FOR ME IS THE SWALES.

I MEAN, SWALES, NOT ONLY STORMWATER, BUT THEY DIRECT WATER TO THE DRAIN.

SO ONE PROPERTY BLOCKS THE SWALE. WELL, THAT WATER GUSHES OUT IN THE STREET ON A NORMAL RAINSTORM.

AND EVERYBODY'S DRIVING THROUGH THAT. SO IT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ANNOYING.

YEAH. AND YES, AND WE HAVE THAT WHERE SWALES EXIST IN FULL LENGTH AND WE HAVE TO COME BACK WITH WHERE WE HAVE THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE SPORADIC. THIS HOUSE THEN SKIPS TO. THEN IT STARTS AGAIN BECAUSE IT WAS A NEW DEVELOPMENT.

WE HAVE WORK TO DO IN BOTH AREAS, SO THANK YOU.

SIR, I AGREE WITH YOU, MR. KRULL. WELL, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

NO PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. STRONG WORK.

OKAY, THAT TAKES US TO ITEM SIX E. SO THIS ITEM MAYOR.

[6.E) CityPUR - Critical Infrastructure Improvements - Progress Report and Case Study Basin IV.]

THIS ISN'T RELATED TO THE CITY PIER CASE STUDY PROJECT IN BASIN FOUR.

DID YOU HAVE. MR. ROGAN HAS A. YES, SIR.

HE ALREADY DID SEND COMMENTS ON THE MIRACLE MILE, I SAID, INDICATIVE THE ONLY REASON WHEN THAT ITEM WAS THERE.

I'M NOT SURE WE DID. OKAY. THIS IS GOOD RIGHT HERE.

THANK YOU FOR AN OPPORTUNITY. I CAME HERE TO LEARN ABOUT THE MIRACLE MILE, AND I CERTAINLY HAVE.

MY BIGGEST FIRST QUESTION WAS ONE OF THE UTILITIES GO UNDERGROUND? THE QUESTION IS NO, MR. ROGAN. I'M SORRY. LET ME JUST STATE THIS BY THIS IS PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEM SIX B AND UR6C.

SIX C THANK YOU. OKAY. IT WAS FOR MY FIRST QUESTION WAS WHEN THE UNDERGROUND UTILITIES GOING IN.

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RIGHT? SO WE'LL GO PAST THAT. MY SECOND ONE, AND THIS IS FORMED AS OF TODAY.

WHAT I LEARNED HERE WITH YOU FOLKS KNOW CENTER PARKWAYS.

IF YOU DROVE DOWN NORTH SHORE BOULEVARD IN THE HEIGHT OF SEASON WHEN ALL OUR LITTLE CHICKS ARE DOWN HERE VISITING GRANDMA AND GRANDPA, THAT PARKWAY GETS LOADED UP WITH THOSE LITTLE KIDS AS THEY GET LOST.

AND IT HAPPENS THERE. I MEAN, IT'S AN UPSET STOMACH EVERY TIME I DRIVE IT, BUT I KNOW HOW TO DRIVE THE DAMN THING.

MOVING MORE PEOPLE OUT OF THERE WITH FANCY LITTLE THINGS IS ONLY GOING TO DRAW MORE PEOPLE TO IT AND MORE LITTLE KIDS.

I DON'T SEE A WORTH IN IT. YOU STILL HAVE X AMOUNT OF INCHES ACROSS.

PUT IT ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER. THIS THING OF PLACES WHERE WE CAN GO MEET, GO MEET ON THE BEACH, NOT ON THE SIDEWALKS AND THAT. BUT DO WHAT YOU WANT.

THE SIDEWALKS WILL COME OUT NICE IN THIS TOWN.

I KNOW EVERYBODY WILL BEAT THEIR HEAD AGAINST THE WALL UNTIL THEY'RE REALLY GREAT.

AND I'LL BE HERE TO GIVE YOU AN UNSOLICITED OPINION ON IT.

LAST POINT, AND I'M HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT ANY OF THESE THINGS FURTHER WITH ANYBODY.

SOLUTION ON PARKING. I LIVE IN THE EMBASSY. THE PICTURES OF THE EMBASSY WAS.

SO YOU'VE GOT LOUDERMILK. ROSEWOOD, WHERE I LIVE, EMBASSY AND THEN A VACANT LOT.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO START WITH THE SIERRA CLUB.

BUT BY THAT LOT, THE FEDS STATES EVERYTHING AND PUT HIGH RISE PARKING IN THERE.

THE FIRST FLOOR, WE CAN PUT THIS SURPLUS UTILITIES THINGS THERE ON THAT PROPERTY.

WE STATED WHEN IT'S BOUGHT, IT CAN BE USED FOR THIS LAND THAT WE DON'T HAVE THAT WE NEED LAND TO DO LAST OUT ON THE BEACHFRONT.

WE PUT NAPLES SEA TURTLE RESEARCH CENTER. I THINK YOU COULD RAISE THE KIND OF MONEY IT TAKES.

THIS ISN'T BUBBLEGUM MONEY I'M TALKING ABOUT.

YOU ALL KNOW THAT. BUT IT'D BE A HELL OF A SOLUTION FOR PARKING CULTURAL FAMILIES.

PEACE. SEE YOU SOON. THANK YOU. OKAY, THAT CONCLUDES 6C6D. GOING TO ITEM SIX E.

DOCTOR GEORGE DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THE. MR.. YES, MA'AM.

THANK THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND MAC, IF WE CAN START WITH SIX E ONE, PLEASE.

SIX E ONE, PLEASE.

THE FIRST TIME THAT I EVER DID THAT. FOR.

THANK YOU SIR.

SO I'D LIKE TO START WITH MY APPRECIATION. AND THANKS TO OUR CITY MANAGER.

THE PRESENTATION WE HAVE BEFORE YOU IS A JOINT PRESENTATION THAT OUR CITY MANAGER AND I HAVE WORKED ON AND MADE A FEW PRESENTATIONS IN THE PAST, INCLUDING THIS COUNCIL ABOUT CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND BUILDING A STRONGER, SAFER, MORE IMPORTANTLY, MORE SUSTAINABLE AND RELIABLE CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

AND THE ROADMAP FOR THAT WAS RELIABLE, HARDENED, CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, ENSURING OUR COMMUNITY OF LIFE SUSTAINING ESSENTIAL SERVICES LIFE SUSTAINING ESSENTIAL SERVICES ARE MOSTLY INVISIBLE.

THAT'S OUR DRINKING WATER, POTABLE WATER, WASTEWATER, DOMESTIC WASTEWATER, IRRIGATION WATER, MUNICIPAL SERVICES LIKE GARBAGE COLLECTION, RECYCLING COLLECTION.

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AND WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE IT, IT BECOMES A. IT BECOMES A CRITICAL INTERRUPTION IN OUR LIFE SUSTAINING SERVICES. THEREFORE, QUALITY OF LIFE. AND. MOST OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY WILL HEAR AS FAST, IF NOT FASTER THAN MY CITY MANAGER AND MYSELF.

IF WE HAVE INTERRUPTION ON LIFE SUSTAINING ESSENTIAL SERVICES.

AND THAT'S HOW CRITICAL IT IS. AND OUR JOB IS MAKE IT AS INVISIBLE AS POSSIBLE AND NONE OF YOU GET CALLS ABOUT IT.

SO WE STARTED WITH FINANCIAL FRAMEWORK AND FINANCIAL MASTER PLANNING, AND OUR STARTING POINT WAS STORMWATER UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE DONE MOST RECENTLY UNDER LEADERSHIP OF OUR CITY MANAGER AND OUR FORMER FORMER CFO, IS THAT WE DEVELOPED STORMWATER RATE STRUCTURE, AND WE DID WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RATE STRUCTURE AND THE REVENUE AND FINANCIAL PORTFOLIO, INCLUDING BORROWING POWER AND BONDING CAPACITY, CORRESPONDS TO THE REVENUE STREAM WE HAVE FOR ENVISIONED NEXT 20 YEAR INVESTMENT THAT POTENTIALLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE IN OUR STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE. YOU WILL SEE PARALLEL TO THAT SIMILAR PATH FOR WATER SEWER RATES, AS WE HAVE GONE THROUGH OUR BUDGET CYCLE AND CIP PRESENTATIONS. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE NEXT IN TERMS OF OUR FINANCIAL STRENGTH AND WHAT WE NEED FINANCIALLY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MOVE MOUNTAINS. OKAY. WITHOUT FINANCIALS.

WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BECOMES ANOTHER STUDY.

LARGE BOOK ON THE SHELF WITH GOOD FINANCES AND FINANCIAL PORTFOLIO AND FINANCIAL INVESTMENT POLICY AND STRATEGY. LIKE STORMWATER. WE DID HAVE UNDER LEADERSHIP OF OUR CITY MANAGER.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REPEAT AND PARALLEL TO THAT WATER SEWER.

AND NEXT FOLLOWING THAT WILL BE MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE AS WELL, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO LOSE OUR OWN DESTINY IN THAT CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.

THAT'S TWO. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, IMPORTANT. SO RECENT CHALLENGES FRANKLY HAS BEEN STARTED IN 2017. IRMA WAS. THAT M-CLASS HURRICANE DROPPED TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RAINFALL AND IT WAS A WIND EVENT.

A LOT OF HORTICULTURAL WASTE, MORE THAN C AND D AND TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RAINFALL.

ABOVE AND BEYOND. SOME OF YOU MIGHT REMEMBER TROPICAL STORM FAY, WHICH LASTED ABOUT 72 HOURS OVER EIGHT INCH PER DAY, SUSTAINED RAIN. SO IRMA IS ONE OF THE BENCHMARKS AND I'LL GET BACK TO IT.

PLEASE KEEP THAT IN YOUR MIND AS A AS A POINT OF REFERENCE.

THEN HURRICANE IAN CAME. HURRICANE IAN WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE NOT SEEN FOR A LONG TIME.

THAT WAS A STORM SURGE, OUR HURRICANE DEBRIS MISSION COUNTYWIDE AS WELL AS CITYWIDE, ESPECIALLY CITYWIDE.

AND NORTH COASTAL COLLIER COUNTY EXPERIENCED TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF SANDY.

AND THE REASON WAS NOT ONLY IT WAS A WIND EVENT, BUT NOT AS MUCH RAIN EVENT.

HOWEVER, IT WAS A STORM SURGE EVENT THAT WE HAVE NOT SEEN BEFORE FOR A LONG TIME WITHOUT ELABORATING.

WE HAVE THE VISUALS, WE HAVE OUR MEMORIES, AND WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED IN IRMA AND IAN AND THE DIFFERENCES.

HOWEVER, THE RECENT EXPERIENCES WAS COMPOUNDED BY 2023 HURRICANE IDALIA.

AND THEN WE HAD A SERIES OF HURRICANES COMING AT US IN 2024.

DEBBIE, HELEN, MILTON AND MOST OF MOST OF, IF NOT ALL OF THEM WERE ALSO NOT ONLY WIND EVENT, RAIN EVENT, BUT ALSO SURGE EVENT THAT WE HAVE NOT EXPERIENCED AS MUCH BEFORE IN THE PAST.

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AND THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE ON THIS SLIDE. WHY OUR TREMENDOUS FOCUS WAS PREVIOUS SIX MONTHS BUILDING THAT FINANCIAL INFRASTRUCTURE. HOWEVER, AS I INDICATED, IT'S NOT GOING TO END THERE.

AND I WANT TO BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING.

COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS IT IS DRAFTED NOW. WE INCORPORATED, AND I PERSONALLY DID WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE INCORPORATED AND WE PUT IN THERE THAT WE WILL HAVE A STORMWATER MASTER PLAN TO BE UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS AND CIPS WITHIN THAT MASTER PLAN TO BE UPDATED EVERY 2 OR 3 YEARS AS NEEDED, SO THAT COUNCIL CAN MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS FOR GIVING THE CHANGES IN THE ENVIRONMENT AND CONDITIONS.

I THINK WE NEED TO BE AGILE, FLEXIBLE, ADAPTABLE, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A LONG TERM LOOK AHEAD, BUT MASTER PLAN IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO BE AGILE FOR, AND YOU NEED TO HAVE MUCH FASTER CONTROL OF GIVING THE PRIORITIES AND CHANGES IN PRIORITIES, AS WE HAVE SEEN RECENT HURRICANES, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT MIGHT BE COMING UP THIS COMING AT US.

SO WATER, SEWER IQ MASTER PLANS ALSO BE PART OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN.

FIRST TIME WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT IN THE FORM OF NOT STREETS AND STORMWATER, BUT TRANSPORTATION MASTER PLAN. AND WE ALREADY PRESENTED TO YOU TRANSPORTATION TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND CITY LIMITS. NOW WE'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO WHAT'S COMING OUTSIDE OF CITY TO US.

AND ARE WE READY? AND WHAT ARE THE THINGS WE CAN DO TO BEST MANAGE THE TSUNAMI COMING AT US FROM A GROWTH THAT NORTH AND NORTHEAST AND CENTRAL COLLIER COUNTY, SEVEN TOWNS AND, AND TOWNSHIPS AND THE, AND THE VILLAGES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND BEING BUILT AS WE SPEAK. THEN OF COURSE FACILITIES MASTER PLAN IS GOING TO BE AND IS PART OF THE DRAFT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO THE REASON I'M, I'M SPENDING A LITTLE BIT OF TIME ON THIS ONE THAT THEY ARE ALL INTERACTIVE AND INTERRELATED. WHEN WE DO STORMWATER PROJECT, WE WILL BE LOOKING AT WATER, SEWER IQ, TRANSPORTATION AS WELL AS WHERE NEEDED FACILITIES, ESPECIALLY PUBLIC FACILITIES.

AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO INVEST IN OUR FUTURE IN TERMS OF ALL OF THE ABOVE INFRASTRUCTURE, THROUGH THOSE GREAT STUDIES THAT WE MENTIONED, A GOOD FOUNDATION IS WHAT YOU HAVE DONE FOR STORMWATER.

THAT IS THE TREMENDOUS FOUNDATION AND ACHIEVEMENT FROM A FINANCIAL STRATEGIC STANDPOINT, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT AS I MOVE FORWARD, I WILL BE ABLE TO SHARE WITH YOU NOT ONLY WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN SUCH A SHORT TIME CITYWIDE, BUT WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN BASIN FOUR AS A CASE STUDY THAT I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU.

YES, THIS COUNCIL AND THE LEADERSHIP MOVED TREMENDOUSLY FAST, AND THERE IS A REASON FOR THAT, BECAUSE YOU HAD THE FOUNDATION ALL THE WAY FROM 2018.

BRIEFLY TALKING ABOUT. CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE RESILIENCY.

IF YOU WANT TO GO ABOVE AND BEYOND JUST THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.

AND IF WE IF WE START TALKING ABOUT HURRICANES AND TIDAL DRIVEN STORM SURGES, THAT IS SOMETHING REQUIRES ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT THIS COUNCIL NOT ONLY HAS AUTHORITY, BUT FINANCIAL ABILITY AND CONTROL.

NOW WE'RE IN THE GULF. FEDERAL AND STATE JURISDICTION.

AND THAT IS MUCH BIGGER THAN THE CITY OF NAPLES.

THAT IS COLLIER COUNTY. LEE COUNTY, AND ALL THE OTHER CITIES ON THE COAST INVOLVED NEEDS TO LOOK INTO THINGS THAT WE CAN DO ON PILLAR ONE, OFFSHORE PROTECTION. MEANING CAN WE DO THINGS AS WE HAVE DONE IN THE PAST, AND MORE LIKE ARTIFICIAL REEFS. BUT CAN WE DO ABOVE AND BEYOND ARTIFICIAL REEFS THROUGH INNOVATION?

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IN SIMPLE TERMS. CAN WE BREAK THE WAVES SO THAT ENERGY DISSIPATES BEFORE IT BREAKS ON OUR DUNES AND BACKWATER SHORELINES? AND THAT'S WHAT OFFSHORE PROTECTION IN OUR RESILIENCY PILLARS BEING THE PILLAR ONE IS DISSIPATE THE ENERGY OF STORM SURGE OFFSHORE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE BEFORE IT DISSIPATES CLOSE TO 100% ON OUR DUNES, BACKWATERS AND SHORES. ONSHORE PROTECTION IS OUR DUNES THAT THE BEACH RENOURISHMENT THAT WE DO, AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER MEANS AND METHODS.

NATURE BASED HYBRID RELIABILITY ENGINEERING, INVISIBLE BELOWGROUND STRUCTURES.

BASELINE FOUNDATIONS FOR THE DUNES THAT CAN BE CONSIDERED.

THAT'S AGAIN, IT'S ABOVE AND BEYOND OUR FINANCIAL ABILITY, RESOURCES AND GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND OUR MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES NORTH TO THE LEE COUNTY AND COLLIER COUNTY AND THE CITIES ON THE SOUTH ALL THE WAY TO EVERGLADES CITY AND THE CITY OF MARCO.

SO I THINK THAT THAT GOES TO WHAT WE HAVE PRESENTED EARLIER TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PARTNERSHIP, FINANCIAL RESOURCE OPTIMIZATION, AND HAVING ONE VISION AS THE NORTH STAR.

CAN WE DO SOMETHING HERE AS ONE ENTITY ALL THE WAY FROM FEDERAL, STATE AND CITY OF NAPLES, OTHER CITIES FOLLOWING OUR TRACK AND TAKING THE LEADERSHIP.

NOW I'M GOING TO ALSO MENTION INLAND PROTECTION.

THAT'S WHAT THAT'S THAT'S WHERE YOU WILL SEE OUR PRESENTATION FOCUSED ON BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IS WITHIN OUR CONTROL DECISIONS.

ALREADY WE HAVE MADE INVESTMENTS YOU ALREADY MADE WITHIN YOUR CONTROL.

AND IT WILL SHOW AND IT WILL CREATE THE FOUNDATION FOR AND DEPARTURE POINT FOR WHAT MIGHT BE NEXT.

TAKING THE LEAD AND CARRY ON AND INFLUENCE PILLARS ONE AND TWO.

BECAUSE WE'RE DOING ABOVE AND BEYOND MORE THAN ANY OTHER MUNICIPALITY IN PILLAR THREE.

SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET OUT OF THE VISION THAT WE HAVE SHARED WITH YOU AND YOU HAVE ENDORSED AS A CONCEPT.

WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THE CITY OF NAPLES BECOMING A NATIONAL MODEL FOR COASTAL INFRASTRUCTURE RESILIENCY.

THROUGH THAT PROCESS, ENHANCING SAFETY AND PROTECTING PROPERTY WHILE WE'RE PRESERVING THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF MOSTLY OUR MANGROVES ON THE SOUTH AND AND SOUTH EAST OF MARCO ISLAND, BUT ALSO ARTIFICIAL REEFS THAT WE ALREADY BUILT. AND WE CAN FURTHER CONTINUE TO BUILD UPON IN FRONT OF NAPLES.

ENHANCE AND MODERNIZE INFRASTRUCTURE INSIDE OUT.

CAN WE ENVISION AND HAVE THE VISION THAT, YES, IT IS FEASIBLE TO HAVE 50 PLUS YEARS OLD COMMUNITY AS WONDERFUL AND ICONIC AS THE CITY OF NAPLES.

CAN WE REBUILD THIS COMMUNITY INSIDE OUT, MEANING RENEW THE INVISIBLE CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE BELOW GROUND TO THE CURRENT STANDARDS AND OR WHERE WE CAN AND NEED IT ABOVE CURRENT STANDARDS, SO THAT WE HAVE A BRAND NEW SUBDIVISION CALLED CITY OF NAPLES ON THE GULF. THIS IS ONE SLIDE THAT.

MY CITY MANAGER AND MYSELF SPENT SOME TIME. AND THE REASON I WANT TO PUT A FEW MINUTES ON THIS SLIDE, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT AT THE BOTTOM IT SAYS CITY COUNCIL LEADERSHIP.

WE TALKED ABOUT FOUNDATION AND POINT OF DEPARTURE.

BUT AS IMPORTANTLY, YOU CAN SEE THERE'S FEDERAL, STATE, LOCAL COALITION, MOSTLY UNDER OFFSHORE PROTECTION ONE AND OFFSHORE PROTECTION TWO.

AS YOU CAN SEE STRATEGICALLY, WE PLACED WHERE THAT ARROW IS.

WHERE THE ARROW IS BETWEEN THE CITY OF NAPLES AND ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS.

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NOW, GOING BACK TO WHAT I MENTIONED AND DONE MY BEST TO VERBALIZE AND ARTICULATE THIS CITY HAS DONE TREMENDOUS INVESTMENT ALREADY. THAT'S WHY WE CAN MOVE FAST AND WE CAN MOVE FASTER BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT PRIOR TO 2018 AND 2018, WE HAVE INVESTED IN MASTER PLANNING PROCESS FOR STORMWATER, AND WE CAPITALIZE ON THAT 2018. EVERYTHING WE'RE PRESENTING TO YOU AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOES NOT PUT THAT STUDY ON THE SHELF.

CAPITALIZES ON 2018 STORMWATER MASTER PLANNING.

AND MADAM MAYOR, YOU ASKED ABOUT DO WE HAVE UPDATED BASIN MAP? WE ARE STILL USING THE BASIN MAP COMING FROM THAT 2018 MASTER PLAN, WHICH SHOWS THAT WE HAVE 12 BASINS WITHIN CITY OF NAPLES. AND THE LATEST STUDY WE HAVE APPROVED THAT WILL SHOW OUR BASINS GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND OUR MUNICIPAL BOUNDARIES.

THAT WILL BE THE NEXT UPDATE. I HOPE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION THAT EARLIER YOU HAD MADAM MAYOR.

IN 2020, WE HAVE COMPLETED BASIN FOR STORMWATER ANALYSIS USING CONSULTANT AECOM.

WE CAPITALIZE ON THAT AND SOME OF THE PROJECTS YOU WILL SEE THAT WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT NEXT ARE BASED ON THAT STUDY. SO WE'RE MOVING FROM STUDY TO ACTION THROUGH FINANCIAL STRATEGY AND FUNDING ALREADY IN PLACE THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS ALREADY APPROVED IN 2020 FOR OUR CONSULTANT KIMLEY-HORN COMPLETED MULTI BASIN ASSESSMENT PLAN. AND IN 2025 IT WAS PRESENTED AS MBP4PIP MEANING.

OUR CONSULTANT, GIVEN THE SCOPE ONLY FOCUSED ON FOUR OUT OF 12 BASINS.

HOWEVER, THERE WAS BASIN FOR. THAT WAS STUDIED BEFORE.

SO WE INCLUDED BASIN FOR. SINCE MY CITY MANAGER AND I CAME ON BOARD AND WE SAID BASIN FOR.

ALREADY THERE IT'S A PRIORITY. LET'S INCLUDE IN.

IN ADDITION TO THOSE FOUR BASINS THAT YOU'RE STUDYING, LET'S INCLUDE BASIN FOUR AND THEY INCLUDED BASIN FOUR.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE FIVE BASINS. SO POINT I'M MAKING IS THAT WE'RE DOING ALL WE CAN TO CAPITALIZE ON EVERY INVESTMENT WE HAVE MADE IN TERMS OF STUDIES, ENGINEERING STUDIES, DESIGN, WHERE IT MAKES SENSE APPLICABLE SO THAT WE CAN MOVE TO FUTURE.

IN LIEU OF COMING BEFORE YOU AND SAYING, WE GOT TO DO ANOTHER STUDY OR ENGINEERING ASSESSMENT, I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD.

AND IN 2025 AND 26, MY CITY MANAGER AND I CAME BEFORE YOU AND PRESENTED WHAT I JUST BRIEFLY GONE OVER SO-CALLED CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE RESILIENCE VISION THAT IS INDEED MUCH MORE GLOBAL AND, AND PRESENTS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF POTENTIAL TO PUT CITY OF NAPLES ON THE MAP ON A NATIONAL LEVEL, BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE OF THE INVESTMENTS THAT YOU HAVE DONE WITHIN PILLAR THREE.

SO FOCUSING ON PLAYER THREE, THE QUESTION IS GOING TO BE AND QUESTION TO MYSELF AND MY CITY MANAGER ALSO DOCTOR GEORGE WHAT IS THE ROADMAP? SO WE NEEDED TO DO THREE THINGS CONCURRENTLY.

WITHOUT DELAY. NOT IN SYNC, BUT PARALLEL. IMMEDIATE.

IMMEDIATE. REMEDIAL ACTION. WE CALL THAT IRA.

IF WE HAVE A HOT SPOT, IF IT NEEDS IMMEDIATE ATTENTION, WE DON'T NEED MORE STUDY.

WE NEED TO GO THERE, SEND OUR CREWS, TELEVISE IT.

INTERNAL, IN-HOUSE OR EXTERNAL CONTRACTUAL SERVICES.

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THREE B'S HOT SPOTS. TARGETED INTERIM CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS.

COMPOUNDED BY IMMEDIATE AND IMMEDIATE REMEDIAL ACTION.

TOWARD LONG TERM, STEEPER, STEEPER. WE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE, AND I'M SURE OUR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS FAMILIAR WITH IT. CITY PIER CAME FROM INSPIRATION THAT WE HAD.

WHAT HAS BEEN DONE IN NAPLES PARK? NAPLES PARK IS VERY OLD COMMUNITY AND IT TURNED INTO A WAR ZONE CUL DE SAC BY CUL DE SAC. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WERE DOING THERE.

WE WERE BUILDING THOSE OLDER COMMUNITIES TO BE A NEW SUBDIVISIONS BY PROVIDING NEW WATER MAINS, WASTEWATER SERVICE LINES, NEW PUMP STATIONS, WASTEWATER PUMP STATIONS, BACKFLOW PREVENTION, AND WE PARTNERED WITH FPL THROUGH MSD AND MISS MSP.

WE PUT ALL THE POWER LINES UNDERGROUND WHILE WE WERE DOING ALL THIS IN GROUND WORK.

SO. IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A GREAT DEAL OF DIFFERENCE.

THERE IS NOT A GREAT DEAL OF DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CUL DE SACS THAT WE HAVE HERE THAT I'M GOING TO MENTION BRIEFLY COMING UP AND CUL DE SACS THAT WE HAVE THERE.

I WILL ARGUE THAT IT IS MUCH TOUGHER THERE THAN HERE BECAUSE WE HAD LESS REAL ESTATE.

WE HAD TO BUY SINGLE HOMES TO BUILD PUMP STATIONS AND MAKE THEM LOOK LIKE HOMES NEXT TO HOMES WITH SANITATION IN NAPLES PARK. AND I THINK WE HAVE AT LEAST PRESERVED REAL ESTATE HERE THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD FASTER. WE DON'T HAVE TO BUY SINGLE HOMES TO BUILD PUMP STATIONS.

SO. MOVING TO CASE STUDY NUMBER FOUR, BAYESIAN FOUR.

BAYESIAN FOUR HAS BEEN HOTSPOT. AND SINCE WE CAME ON BOARD, BOTH OUR CITY MANAGER AND MYSELF, THERE HAS BEEN A NUMBER OF INQUIRIES, RIGHTFULLY SO.

AND THERE HAS BEEN A NUMBER OF DEMANDS IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO.

WE CANNOT WAIT. YOU GOT TO DO SOMETHING NOW. THAT'S WHERE IMMEDIATE REMEDIAL ACTION IRA KICKS IN, AND THAT'S WHERE WE DID SEND OUR CREWS THERE PRIOR TO EVERY STORM SEASON AND IN BETWEEN CLEANED, TELEVISED, MAINTAINED AND SPOT REPAIRS AS MUCH AS WE CAN ON 17TH AVE AS THE PILOT PROGRAM.

CONCURRENT TO THAT, WE HAD AN EMERGENCY RESPONSE STARTED LAST HURRICANE SEASON RIGHT BEFORE HURRICANE SEASON JUNE 19TH, WE WERE ABLE TO PUT A MOBILE STATION THERE MOBILE STORM WATER PUMP STATION VFD.

IT TOOK US SIX WEEKS TO BE ABLE TO GET THE PROCUREMENT CONTRACTS IN PLACE.

BACK OF THE ENVELOPE ENGINEERING DESIGN, PUT IT IN PLACE AND YOU GOT THE FEEDBACK FROM OUR CUSTOMERS.

IT'S WORKING. IT WORKS. THAT SPEAKS TO AMERICAN INGENUITY, AGILITY, AND KNOW HOW.

THAT'S FAST. THAT WAS INCREDIBLE. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S ANOTHER EMERGENCY RESPONSE UNDER IRA.

WE HAVE DONE THIS TIME BEFORE JUNE 19TH. WE WERE ABLE TO MOBILIZE THAT SAME UNIT, PUT IT IN PLACE, AND YOU GOT THE FEEDBACK FROM OUR CUSTOMER BASE FOR THIS STORM SEASON AS WELL.

NOW, I'M PLEASED TO REPORT THAT FOR THIS STORM SEASON READINESS, WE ALSO MOBILIZE SIMILAR MOBILE UNIT TO RIVER PARK EAST RIGHT NEXT TO CHURCH. AND WE MOBILIZED SIMILAR BACKUP PUMP STATION TO PUMP STATION RIGHT NEXT TO IT. IF YOU DRIVE BY, YOU'LL SEE IT READY TO HOOK UP.

AND ALSO, WE MOBILIZE MOBILE PUMP STATION APPARATUS AND COMPONENTS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO

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SO LAST YEAR WE WERE ABLE TO DO ONE. THIS YEAR WE WERE ABLE TO MOBILIZE FOUR BEFORE NEXT HURRICANE SEASON.

WE LIKE TO SURPRISE YOU. MAC, CAN YOU RUN THE PLEASE? SIX E THREE, PLEASE, WITH AUDIO.

MAC, CAN YOU DO IT ONE MORE TIME, PLEASE? THANK YOU SIR. THIS IS A VIDEO CLIP TAKEN BY OUR CUSTOMER.

AND IT'S A VERY GOOD VISUAL BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT SHOWS THE TAIL WATERS OR BACKWATERS, HOW HIGH THEY ARE. AND IT TELLS YOU THAT ON THE CUL DE SAC OF 17TH AVENUE IT WAS REPORTED THAT WE HAD 18 INCH PLUS -FOUR INCHES DEPENDING ON THE TIME WATER STANDING ON TOP OF THE CREST OF THE ROAD.

AND THIS WAS ABLE TO DRAIN IT. SO THIS PILOT PROJECT LEADS US.

TO A. MORE INTERMEDIATE OR MID-TERM SOLUTIONS.

CAN WE HAVE THIS MOBILE PUMP STATIONS TURNED INTO BELOW GROUND.

INVISIBLE. WET. WELL. STORMWATER PUMP STATIONS.

THE ANSWER IS YES. AND THIS WEDNESDAY YOU HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA REQUESTING APPROVAL OF ENGINEERING, DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION SERVICES FOR THIS SAME CUL DE SAC AND THE SAME ABOVE GROUND EMERGENCY PUMP STATION TURNING INTO MORE PERMANENT IN-GROUND PUMP STATION.

NOW THE DESIGN CRITERIA INCLUDES EVERYTHING WE WILL INVEST HERE IS GOING TO BE INCLUDED AND BE PART OF THE CITY PROGRAM IN THAT AREA AS WELL THAT I'M GOING TO BRIEFLY MENTION SO THAT WE'RE NOT DOING IT TWICE.

WE'RE DOING IT ONCE FIRST TIME. RIGHT. I WANT TO BRIEFLY TALK ABOUT WHAT WE HAVE DONE.

LAST SIX MONTHS. CITY WIDE FOCUSING ON PILLAR THREE BASED ON ONE WE TALKED ABOUT MOBILE PUMP STATION BASED IN THREE. WE TALKED ABOUT MOBILE PUMP STATION BACKUP BASED ON.

FOUR YOU HAVE SEEN A VIDEO CLIP AND BASIN. EIGHT WE TALKED ABOUT RPE.

NOW WE TALKED ABOUT THREE B'S. THAT SPASM BY BASIN CONCEPT CAME FROM.

WE HAVE A STORMWATER UTILITY PROGRAM AND WE HAVE A STORMWATER UTILITY FEES, WHICH IS CITYWIDE.

AND PRESENTATION WAS MORE FOR THE MULTI BASIN STUDY.

SOMEWHAT MISLEADING WHEN YOU SAY MULTI-BUSINESS STUDY, IT SOUNDS LIKE INCLUSIVE OF 12 PATIENTS, BUT IT WAS ONLY FOCUSED ON FOUR BASINS. WE MADE IT FIVE.

SO BASIN BY BASIN IS. HEAVILY FUNDING RESOURCES AND AVAILABLE RESOURCES.

WE HAVE IN-HOUSE MANPOWER OUTSOURCED RESOURCES, AS WELL AS FINANCIAL RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE FOR THE CIPS AND INTERIM SOLUTIONS. MOST, IF NOT ALL OF THE LISTS YOU'RE SEEING HERE NORTH OF 30 ON THIS LIST CAME FROM OUR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS AND OUR COMMUNITY LEADERS AND ALL OUR CUSTOMERS.

WE GOT A PROBLEM. HERE WE GO. CHECK THE FIELD.

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AND THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT LEIGHTON LAKE.

VICE MAYOR. YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT ACTUALLY IT MADE OUR THREE B'S LEIGHTON LAKE AUTOMATION FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS THEIR IMMEDIATE ELEVATION CHALLENGES SIMILAR TO SWAN LAKE.

AND YOU'LL SEE ON THAT LIST ALSO LEIGHTON LAKE I'M SORRY.

LEIGHTON LANE IN GROUND IMPROVEMENTS. THAT'S THE UNDERGROUND INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO WE HAVE THREE B PROJECTS COMBINED INTO ONE BASIN BY BASIN PROJECT THAT IS BEING STUDIED AND WILL BE COMING. EVERYTHING YOU SEE HERE WILL BE COMING BEFORE THE COUNCIL AND BEFORE OUR CITY MANAGER FOR EXECUTION.

SO THIS TELLS YOU WE'RE LISTENING TO OUR CUSTOMERS.

WE ARE TUNED INTO OUR CUSTOMERS EVERY TIME THERE'S A HOT SPOT, WE CONFIRM.

ONCE IT IS CONFIRMED, IT MAKES THE LIST AND WE MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE AT REST AS OR LESS POSSIBLE BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THEY ARE CHRONIC CONTINUOUS PROBLEM TO OUR RESIDENTS AND IN UNDER UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS, THEY BECOME A PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY RISK. GIVEN THE CONDITIONS OF SOME OF THE SECTIONS OF THESE ROADS BEING UNDER WATER.

16 INCH AND ABOVE, ESPECIALLY FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES.

NOW, I'M PLEASED TO REPORT TO YOU THAT UNDER CITY THREE B'S BASIN, THREE EAST LAKE, BY THE WAY, THAT'S LAKE 31 COMING FROM 2018 STUDY. SO WE HAVE ACTUALLY MORE THAN 30 STORMWATER RETENTION DETENTION PONDS.

AND EAST LAKE WAS NUMBERED AS LAKE 31. AND IT'S COMING BEFORE YOU FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT COMES FROM CRYSTAL LAKE AND EAST LAKE OUTFALL DIRECTLY GOES TO PUMP STATION NEXT IS GOING TO BE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR GRAVITY LINE FROM EAST LAKE TO PUMP STATION IS OPEN AND CLEAR, SO THAT THAT SIGNIFICANT SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE DOES NOT FAIL US UNDER STORM CONDITIONS.

SO THAT'S COMING BEFORE YOU. ON SEPTEMBER 16TH AGENDA ITEM SEVEN D UNDER CONSENT AGENDA.

AND THAT WAS PART OF OUR THREE B'S MADE THE LIST THEN UNDER THREE B'S BAYESIAN FOR 17TH AVENUE, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, UNDER AGENDA ITEM SEVEN C COMING BEFORE YOU THIS WEDNESDAY FOR APPROVAL.

AND UNDER CITY PIER. REMEMBER WHAT I MENTIONED AND WHAT OUR CITY MANAGERS AND MY INTENT HAS BEEN FROM DAY ONE IS THAT DON'T WAIT. WE CAN MOVE CONCURRENTLY ON IRA. IMMEDIATE RESPONSE THREE B'S AND CITY PIER LONG TERM CONCURRENTLY WHILE WE'RE ADDRESSING IT.

AND THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW WE MANAGE IRA AND HOW WE MANAGE THREE B'S.

AND HERE IT IS. YOU HAVE TWO AGENDA ITEMS UNDER BAYESIAN 8RPE, WHICH WE WILL HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING AFTER THIS ONE FOR OUR CRA TO REVIEW AND APPROVE THAT AGENDA ITEM.

THAT WILL BE ALSO APPROVED ON OUR WEDNESDAY MEETING.

FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT FULL BLOWN CITY PROGRAM BETTER THAN WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN NAPLES PARK.

AND THE REASON I'M SAYING BETTER THAN BECAUSE OF THE DESIGN CRITERIA, RIVER PARK EAST CITY PROJECT IS GOING TO BE BASED ON IRMA LEVELS. RAINFALL EVENT EIGHT INCH ABOVE 25 YEAR STORM 72 HOUR SUSTAINED AND BE ABLE TO HANDLE PEAK FLOWS 25 YEAR 24 HOURS.

OUR DESIGN CRITERIA FOR OTHER PLACES WITHIN THE COUNTY WAS MUCH LESS.

SO I THINK THAT THAT GIVES YOU A SENSE OF WHEN WE SAY IRMA LEVEL BENCHMARK, THAT MEANS, YES,

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ABOVE AND BEYOND COUNCIL APPROVED LOWS IN OUR HOURS, WHICH WE PRESENTED TO YOU.

MEANING WE'RE INCREASING OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE BECAUSE WE NEED TO.

AND THEN UNDER A PILOT PROJECT BASED IN FOUR CENTRAL AVENUE.

FIRST ALLEYWAY INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS. THAT'S AGENDA ITEM SEVEN H AND SEVEN I FOR ALL THE GOOD REASONS.

WE COULDN'T GET THE CONTRACT READY TO COME BEFORE YOU.

WE CONTINUE THIS AGENDA ITEM TO WEDNESDAY, AND OUR VICE MAYOR ALREADY HAD A SERIES OF INQUIRIES UNDER THE AGENDA ITEM.

SO AT THIS JUNCTURE, I CAN SAY, SIR, WE'RE LIKE TWO WEEKS IN ADVANCE AHEAD OF YOUR QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTIONS, BY THE WAY. SO HAVING SAID THAT, I WANT TO HAVE A. I WANT TO HAVE A VERY BRIEF INTRODUCTORY FORESHADOWING WHAT'S COMING NEXT.

IS. MAC. THAT WAS RIGHT. PLEASE. THANK YOU SIR.

THAT GOES TO PREVIOUS INQUIRIES OUR VICE MAYOR HAD WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT PEER PROGRAMS AND IMPROVING OUR STORMWATER.

AND THEN THE QUESTION WAS, WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT THE BACKWATER ELEVATIONS? SO WE HAVE A CONSULTANT NATIONAL FIRM DID STUDY NOT ONLY FOR SEA LEVEL RISE, BUT ALSO WE MOVED TOWARD HOW CAN WE MOVE? BECAUSE WE CANNOT WAIT FOR SEA LEVEL RISE 2080 85 IF THAT'S EQUIVALENT TO BACKWATER CONDITIONS OF IRMA.

SO FORESHADOWING. THIS CHART IS A GOOD ONE FOR US TO INVEST OUR TIME, PROBABLY 2 OR 3 MINUTES. SO THIS IS COMING FROM THIS IS A LARGE STUDY WHICH WILL COME BEFORE YOU FOR FULL PRESENTATION.

THIS IS SIMPLY FORESHADOWING. AND ALSO FOLLOWING UP ON THE VICE MAYOR'S INQUIRY FROM THE PAST THAT, YES, WE ARE BUILDING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE FOR STORMWATER 25 YEAR STORM.

BUT WHAT HAPPENS IF THE WATER COMES FROM THE BACKWATERS AND THE BAY BECAUSE THEY ARE HIGH ENOUGH? AND THIS WILL TELL YOU THAT, YES, THERE ARE GOING TO BE CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH, LIKE IF WE HAVE ANOTHER HURRICANE IRMA, WE WILL HAVE BACKWATERS BECOMING EQUIVALENT TO.

2080. BACKWATER CONDITIONS, WHICH IS 4.6. IRMA LEVELS. YOU CAN SEE N IS 6.8 GOES. I MEAN WE LOST OUR SENSORS AND STATE LOST THEIR SENSORS.

SEARCH WAS SO HIGH. OUR LATEST RECORD BASED ON CONSULTANT INFORMATION, WAS 6.87FT.

ABOVE. THAT WAS THE SEARCH WE GOT. SO FOR US TO BE ABLE TO FOR US TO BE ABLE TO GET OUR HANDS AROUND THIS APPLIED SCIENCE AND ENGINEERING TALK.

100 YEAR STORM, 50 YEAR STORM, 25 YEAR STORM.

WHAT WHAT THAT ALL MEANS. OKAY. WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PRESENT TO YOU IS THAT CAN WE GET OUR CITY OF NAPLES BE READY FOR IRMA LEVEL RAIN EVENT? THE ANSWER IS YES. WE ALREADY UPDATED OUR LAWS TO DO THAT.

CAN WE ALSO FORESHADOW FOR US TO GET READY FOR SEAWALL STUDY THAT WILL BE PRESENTED TO YOU, AND OPTIONS WE HAVE THERE HOW WE CAN MANAGE THROUGH PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIPS, HOW WE CAN MAKE OUR SHORELINE AND BACKWATER SHORELINE ESPECIALLY MUCH MORE RESILIENT SO THAT THEY ARE ABOVE 4.6.

SO IN SUMMARY, I'D LIKE TO SHARE THAT WE ARE IN GOOD POSITION, AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF FOUNDATION FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD. AND FROM A STORMWATER MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT, WE ALREADY HAVE A LIFT OFF.

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AND I'M PLEASED TO REPORT THAT THROUGH RESTRUCTURING AND REPURPOSING WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF BRINGING TWO ADDITIONAL PROJECT MANAGERS ON BOARD IN ADDITION TO WE HIRED AND ONE WILL FOCUS ON WATER QUALITY RELATED TO STORMWATER.

ONE WILL BE LASER FOCUSED ON EXECUTION AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CITY PROGRAM AND PROJECTS IN ADDITION TO THREE B'S.

SO WE HAVE THE RESOURCES AND WE OPTIMIZE THE CURRENT RESOURCES WE HAVE TOGETHER WITH OUR CITY MANAGER.

WITH THAT PRESENTATION I'M GOING TO SIMPLY REQUEST YOUR CONTINUOUS SUPPORT.

AND HAVING THE NORTH STAR, AS WE DEFINED, MAKING SURE THAT THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER THAT YOU TRUSTED US WITH TO NAVIGATE AND PILOT NEVER LOSE THE NORTH STAR, EVEN IN THE DARK SIDE.

THANK YOU FOR THAT UPDATE. AND THANK YOU FOR THE ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF WORK BETWEEN MR. YOUNG, YOURSELF AND OTHERS THAT HAVE JUST LASER FOCUSED IN ON SOME MAJOR ISSUES AND MADE INCREDIBLE PROGRESS.

I, IF I HAD THE APPLAUSE FROM ABOVE WITH DAVID AND MACK, I JUST THANK YOU SO MUCH BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY THANKS YOU FOR NOT WASTING TIME AND YOUR DUE DILIGENCE IS INCREDIBLE.

COUNCIL QUESTIONS. YES, SCHULTZ. THANK YOU, DOCTOR GEORGE.

OUTSTANDING PRESENTATION. IN MY PRIOR LIFE WITH THE COLLIER COUNTY COASTAL STORM GROUP WITH THE ARMY CORPS, WE WERE LOOKING AT OFFSHORE THINGS AND FWC, EPA SAID, NO THAT'S NOT EVEN SOMETHING WE CAN BRING INTO THE MIXTURE THAT IT'S STILLBORN. IN YOUR OFFSHORE PORTION OF THIS, YOU'RE INDICATING YOU WANT TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING IN THAT VEIN.

WOULD YOU TRY CONSULTATIONS WITH THEM IN ADVANCE BEFORE YOU SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT THAT YOU SPEND CERTAIN, I MEAN, JUST CIRCLING EVERYTHING TO SEE WHAT THEIR PREDISPOSITION MIGHT BE FOR SUCH AN ENDEAVOR? ABSOLUTELY, SIR. YEAH. IT WOULD BE USEFUL BECAUSE WE WE KEPT HITTING BRICK WALL.

BRICK WALL. BRICK WALL. AND WE HAD SEVEN OF THE TOP COASTAL ENGINEERS ON THE COMMITTEE.

SO I WOULD HATE TO SEE BASH YOUR HEAD AGAINST THE WALL WHEN IT'S SIMPLY NOT DOABLE.

BUT I APPLAUD. THAT'S A HECK OF AN IDEA. AND WE TRIED TO GET THERE, BUT WE COULDN'T GET THERE.

THANK YOU. IT'S CALLED PARADISE COAST, BUT IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN GET THERE, I THINK IT WILL BE CALLED GRAND BARRIER OF FLORIDA. I PREFER NAPLES, BUT IT WOULD BE GRAND BARRIER OF FLORIDA.

AND AUSTRALIANS WOULD COME HERE FROM GRAND BARRIER AND SNORKEL.

THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. SO WHEN IS THE SEAWALL DISCUSSION COMING BACK? I BELIEVE THAT'S THE NOVEMBER. OKAY. YEAH. TO NOVEMBER WORKSHOP.

OKAY. UPDATE DISCUSSION ON NOVEMBER 16TH SIR.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE'LL TALK ABOUT POTENTIAL HEIGHTS. YES, SIR. OKAY, GREAT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THEN, BUT IT WOULD BE HELPFUL, MAYBE TO GET SOME INPUT FROM THE HOAS LIKE THE MOORINGS PARK SHORE AROUND MOORINGS BAY OR AQUA LANE, PORT ROYAL AROUND NAPLES BAY, ROYAL HARBOR.

AND JUST TO GET A. THAT'S A LOT TO ASK, I KNOW, BUT IF IF THERE WAS TIME TO GET THEIR INPUT, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. OTHERWISE WE CAN OBVIOUSLY DO IT AFTERWARDS.

ONCE YOU HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS.

OKAY, THANKS. AND MAYOR, IF I COULD ADD JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.

YOU KNOW, PART OF THE REASON FOR THIS PRESENTATION IS NOT ONLY TO FORESHADOW WHAT'S ON THIS AGENDA, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE OCTOBER 7TH AND 21ST, YOU KNOW, WE PUT THINGS ON CONSENT, AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK IN DETAIL ABOUT THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. AND SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT IT BETWEEN NOW AND OCTOBER 7TH AND OCTOBER 21ST, WHICH THE 21ST, WE KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 12 LAND USE ITEMS, RIGHT? SO IF THEY'RE ON CONSENT, I'D RATHER YOU HAD SOME FORESHADOWING, BUT FOR EXAMPLE, YOU KNOW THE TASK ORDER FOR LANTERN AND GROUND SERVICES WHILE IT WAS ON HIS LIST. IT'S EXPECTED TO COME TO YOU OCTOBER 7TH.

IT COULD FALL TO OCTOBER 21ST, BUT AT LEAST YOU'VE KNOWN WE HAVE SOUTH GORDON, SOUTH GORDON OR SOUTH GORDON UNDERGROUND.

SO THESE THINGS IN THERE ALL THROUGHOUT THE BASINS.

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THAT'S THE KEY IS TO LET YOU KNOW HOW WE'RE EVALUATING THE HOTSPOTS, WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THEM, AND THEN EXTRAPOLATING THAT INTO LEGISLATION THAT COMES BEFORE YOU SO WE CAN ACTUALLY GET IT DONE.

SO THAT WAS REALLY THE PURPOSE IS TO FORESHADOW THAT SO THAT, YOU KNOW, AS THEY'RE COMING DOWN, YOU CAN REFER BACK TO THIS AND SAY, YES, IT WAS ON THERE.

HERE'S WHERE THEY IDENTIFIED IT. AND WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT FULL FLAVOR OF THAT.

AND FOR SOME MEMBERS OF COUNCIL HADN'T SEEN THE ORIGINAL RESILIENCY PLAN LAST AUGUST, SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD WAY TO TO SEGUE THE TWO SUBJECT MATTERS.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. I LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK.

QUESTION. NO. CARL. DOCTOR GEORGE, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU'RE DOING.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST AMAZING. AND JUST THINKING ABOUT YOUR, YOUR PILLAR THING, WHICH I'VE FRAMED ON THE WALL.

JUST KIDDING. BUT OFFSHORE PROTECTION, THE FIRST PILLAR GIVEN THIS INVESTMENT WE HAVE IN THE PIER, WOULDN'T IT MAKE SENSE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF OFFSHORE PROTECTION IN THE PIER AREA? I'M NOT SURE WHERE THEY PUT DUMP THE PILINGS, EXACT LOCATION, BUT BUT YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING INVESTMENT LIKE THAT, THAT COULD BE A PRIORITY ZONE TO HAVE A SHALLOW TYPE OF BARRIER THERE TO HELP KILL THE ENERGY OF THAT WAVE COMING IN FROM STORMS. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT? I THINK THAT ANY SITE SPECIFIC, SMALLER PROTECTION AREAS WOULD BE UNDER FEDERAL AND STATE JURISDICTION.

AND GOING BACK TO COUNCILMAN SCHULTZ ADVICE IT WILL START WITH FATS AND STATE TO BE ABLE TO, TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY WHAT IS WITHIN OUR CONTROL IN TERMS OF RESILIENCY IS MOSTLY UNCLEAR.

PILLAR THREE. SO WHEN WE MOVE TO PILLAR ONE AND PILLAR TWO, WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER SIDE BY SIDE BY A NUMBER OF PARTNERS. THAT'S COLLIER COUNTY, TDC, FEDERAL STATE AGENCIES.

SO THE ANSWER IS YES. WITH AMERICAN INGENUITY AND KNOW HOW.

THERE ISN'T ANYTHING I SEE OUT THERE FROM A RELIABILITY ENGINEERING AND CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT IMPOSSIBLE OR INFEASIBLE.

I THINK THEY ARE ALL FEASIBLE AND DOABLE. IT COMES DOWN TO WILLPOWER, LEADERSHIP, AND PARTNERSHIP ALONG WITH THAT, RIGHT. AND THIS COULD BE A GREAT PRIVATE SECTOR GOVERNMENT PROJECT.

THEY'VE DONE IT WITH REEFS BEFORE, WHICH THE PRIVATE SECTOR CAME IN AND FUNDED THEM.

THEY TRIED TO DO A, A ONE MOVING THOSE IGLOO HOUSES BY MARCO AND MAKING THE REEF OUT OF THEM.

AND IT COST ABOUT $1 MILLION A TIME TO RELOCATE.

AND THEY COULDN'T GET THAT OVER THE HUMP. BUT THINGS LIKE THAT.

IT'S GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYBODY IN THE PUBLIC WHO'S INTERESTED IN ECOLOGY AND RESILIENCY TO VENTURE IN WITH THE GOVERNMENT ON THIS.

WELL, WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT, DEFINITELY. AND TEST THE WATERS.

AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THE ARTIFICIAL REEFS STARTED WITH FIVE PERMANENT LOCATIONS BY THE COUNTY.

THAT WAS ABOUT 28 PLUS YEARS AGO. AND MYSELF WAS INVOLVED IN THAT FIRST ENDEAVOR.

NOW WE HAVE I WANT TO CALL THAT DUMP SITE, BUT SEEDING SITES OVER 30 BECAUSE OF THE BP FUNDING WE GOT. AND SO THAT WAS PRIVATE FUNDING, FEDERAL PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP AND GREAT DONATIONS, NAMING RIGHTS. SO WE HAVE BUILT ONE OF THE LARGEST ARTIFICIAL REEFS OF OUR SHORE, BUT IT'S NOT NECESSARILY DESIGNED IN SYNC WITH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

MEANING YOU CAN DESIGN OFFSHORE ARTIFICIAL REEF BEFORE.

WE PUT STUFF WITHIN THE SEA. YOU DO SEDIMENT TRANSPORT MODELING, YOU DO SEAKEEPING CHARACTERISTICS AND HYDRODYNAMICS MODELING. AND THAT WILL IN SYNC WITH ARTIFICIAL REEF MIGHT POTENTIALLY AND MOST LIKELY WILL RESULT IN, IF IT'S DONE RIGHT, THAT HIGH ENERGY COASTAL AREAS BECOMES MODERATE AND LOW

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THROUGH THIS PROCESS, WE CAN ACTUALLY CHANGE THE SEAKEEPING CHARACTERISTICS OF THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE CITY OF NAPLES AND COLLIER COUNTY, WHERE OUR INVESTMENT, CONTINUOUS INVESTMENT ON THIS DREDGING AND, AND, AND BEACH RENOURISHMENT OPERATIONS BECOMES OPTIMIZED AS WELL.

SO GIVEN THE COMPUTATIONAL TECHNOLOGY WE HAVE NOW, THOSE KIND OF MODELING IS NOT OUT OF OUR RANGE.

IT'S JUST THAT IT WILL TAKE LEADERSHIP AT LOCAL LEVEL AND PARTNERSHIP AND SHARING THE VISION AND GETTING GIVING VICKSBURG NAVAL RESOURCE CENTER INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS IN TERMS OF MODELING.

SO THERE ARE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES. WE WOULD MARGINALLY INVEST TIME, GET A LOT OF RESULTS BACK.

BUT IT GOES BACK TO WHAT I DID HERE. IT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR CONTROL FINANCIALLY, BUT DEFINITELY WITHIN OUR INFLUENCE.

BEST WE CAN. WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY ARISES. BUT ARTIFICIAL REEF WILL WORK.

IF WE THINK ABOUT ARTIFICIAL REEF BEING AS BIG AS GRAND BARRIER OF AUSTRALIAN ARTIFICIAL REEF IN FRONT OF OUR CITY OF NAPLES, ALL THE WAY FROM NORTH KOREA TO MANGROVE.

FOREST WE GOT THAT'S THE THAT'S THE SIZE OF ARTIFICIAL REEF CAN BE BUILT OVER YEARS.

HOWEVER, I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO GREAT DEAL OF RESPECT I HAVE FOR AMERICAN INGENUITY.

AMERICAN KNOW HOW AMERICAN WILL. AMERICAN PARTNERSHIP IF THE VISION IS THERE, IF IT'S SHARED.

YES, IT'S GOING TO BE POSSIBLE. IT'S GOING TO BE FEASIBLE.

IT'S GOING TO BE LANDMARK. MARK AND THAT KIND OF ARTIFICIAL REEF, IF IT IS BUILT, INDEED WILL DISSIPATE THE ENERGY OF AS MUCH AS HURRICANE IAN, IF NOT FARTHER THAN IAN, TO THE POINT WHEN IT REACHES TO OUR COASTLINE WILL BE IRMA AND WE'RE READY FOR IT.

I HOPE I ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS. AND ONE OTHER THING.

WITH ALL THE SEAWALL CONSTRUCTION THAT WE'RE IN, IS, IS THERE A DESIGN ELEMENT WHERE INSTEAD OF LIKE PUTTING ANOTHER CEMENT SLAB IN THE WATER AND 20 YEARS OR WHATEVER CRACKS UP AND YOU GOT TO TALK ABOUT REPLACING IT.

IS TO MAKE IT A STRONGER EFFECT BY HAVING LIKE RIPRAP IN FRONT OF IT AND MANGROVE PROTECTION.

SO YOU'RE KIND OF DOING MANY THINGS. YOU'RE THE MANGROVES ARE TAKING THE NITROGEN OUT OF THE WATER.

YEAH. SO THERE'S A ECOLOGICAL BENEFIT AND YOU'RE STRENGTHENING THAT SEAWALL SO IT COULD LAST FOR 100 YEARS.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT ANYBODY THOUGHT ABOUT OR ANYTHING THAT THOSE ARE THE THOSE ARE THE CONCEPTS THAT WE HAVE TO ALWAYS THINK ABOUT.

AND YES, PERSONAL. I DIDN'T I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT.

I THINK WHAT I DID HEAR FROM YOU IS THAT HYBRID APPROACH, NATURE BASED SOLUTIONS ARE STEADY.

STATE. NATURE BASED SOLUTIONS ARE GREAT FOR STEADY STATE CONDITIONS.

BUT WHEN YOU HAVE NON STEADY STATE CONDITIONS COMING AT US LIKE STORM SURGE AND WHAT HAVE YOU, YOU NEED TO HAVE RELIABILITY ENGINEERING KICKS IN AND HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL PROTECTION THAT IS MAN MADE.

SO WHEN YOU HAVE A HYBRID SYSTEM AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AS YOU ARTICULATE IT I THINK THAT'S THE WAY TO GO.

THAT'S WHERE ARTIFICIAL REEF WITH HARDENED DUNE ENVIRONMENT AND, AND SHORE PROTECTION AND INLAND PROTECTION ALL BLENDS IN.

AND AT THE END, WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MIMIC WHAT GOD INTENDED ORIGINALLY.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, THAT WAS EXCITING.

HOPEFUL PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. AND I IT DOESN'T GIVE ENOUGH TO THE AMOUNT OF WORK AND BENEFIT THAT WE'RE GETTING. BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND SINCE THAT WAS SO EXCITING, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND COME RIGHT BACK BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE HOMESTRETCH.

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[6.F) A Presentation and Discussion Regarding Council’s Interest and Direction to Pursue a Cellular Communications Tower on City-Owned Property at Fleischmann Park.]

EVEN SINCE I TOOK OVER AND ABOUT PURSUING LEASE AGREEMENTS RELATED TO CELL TOWERS, I'VE KIND OF SLOW PLAYED IT.

AND THAT'S IN PART TO, TO THE SPEED OF THINGS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET ACCOMPLISHED.

BUT OBVIOUSLY IN LIGHT OF DISCUSSIONS JUST PRIOR TO THE BREAK, WE KIND OF IT WAS DISCUSSED ABOUT, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN ENHANCE CELL SERVICE? DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS IT, BUT THIS ONE WAS LOOMING.

AND SO IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO BRING BEFORE YOU.

SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO ANDREW AND ALLISON.

SO GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL.

I'M HERE WITH ALLISON BICKETT. AS YOU MAY RECOGNIZE SHE'S THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS.

I'M ANDREW HUNTER, THE THE DIRECTOR OF TECHNOLOGY SERVICES.

SO WE'RE HERE TODAY TO TALK, AS GARY SAID, ABOUT CELLULAR SERVICE WITH WITHIN THE CITY.

THE CITY WAS APPROACHED BY TOWER COM ENTERPRISES.

THEY WANTED TO DISCUSS OUR INTEREST COUNCIL'S INTEREST IN TERMS OF ESTABLISHING A CELLULAR COMMUNICATIONS TOWER WITHIN THE CITY BOUNDARIES, PARTICULARLY TO ADDRESS SOME CONCERNS AROUND THE FLEISCHMANN PARK GULF.

GULF COAST CENTER MALL AREA. WE WE KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE THAT THERE ARE SOME SOFT SPOTS IN THAT AREA, AND THEIR PROPOSAL IS TO FILL THAT. SO THIS DISCUSSION IS REALLY TO GAUGE YOUR INTEREST.

WE HAVE NOT HAD VERY DETAILED CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM, BUT WE HAVE HAD SOME, SOME DISCUSSIONS IN TERMS OF TO GET YOU TO VISUALIZE WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND AGAIN, THIS CONVERSATION IS TO GET YOUR, YOUR FEEDBACK PRIORITIES AND DEFINE NEXT STEPS AS, AS A COUNCIL IN TERMS OF WHAT TO TAKE. SO THE, THE, THE FIRST SLIDE SHOWS ACTUALLY TWO AREAS WITHIN FLEISCHMANN PARK THAT TOWER COMM HAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION AREA A WAS THE FIRST SITE THAT THEY BROUGHT TO US.

AND THEN THERE'S A THERE'S A B AREA ON THAT SLIDE.

WHICH IS WHERE THE CITY STAFF HAS, HAS ACTUALLY PROPOSED MIGHT BE A BETTER, A BETTER SITE.

IT'S ABOUT 250FT AWAY. THE PHOTO SIMULATIONS YOU'LL SEE ON THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES ACTUALLY ARE AROUND AREA A.

SINCE THAT WAS THE FIRST ONE THAT THEY IDENTIFIED.

AND THE NUMBERS ON THIS CHART CORRESPOND TO THE FOLLOWING CHARTS WHERE THE SIMULATIONS WERE TAKEN.

THEIR INITIAL PROPOSAL ACTUALLY THEY, THEY STARTED A LITTLE HIGHER.

BUT THE CURRENT PROPOSAL IS THEY'RE PROPOSING 145 FOOT WIRELESS COMMUNICATION FACILITY, ESSENTIALLY A MONOPOLE PLUS A FOUR FOOT LIGHTNING ROD ON TOP OF THAT FOR A TOTAL OF 149FT. SO THE SIMULATION ON THIS PAGE, YOU CAN SEE THE, IN THE BIG VIEW, THIS IS LOOKING EAST FROM FLESHMAN BOULEVARD.

THEY'RE LOOKING TO END UP WITH A THREE TIER SOLUTION THAT THREE TIER CARRYING ACTUALLY THREE THREE PROVIDERS, IF YOU WILL, WHICH IS TYPICALLY WHAT THEY TRY TO DO TO CO-LOCATE FOR EFFICIENCIES AND TO NOT HAVE TOWERS OR TO CONSOLIDATE TOWERS, IF YOU WILL, YOU'LL NOTICE IT'S ON TOP OF AN EXISTING LIGHT POLE, OR IT'S ON TOP OF A LIGHTING STRUCTURE THAT LIGHTS THE BALL FIELD AT FLESHMAN PARK.

WHAT THEY WOULD DO IS IN THIS LOCATION AND THE OTHER LOCATION IS ACTUALLY REPLACE THAT LIGHT STRING WITH, WITH A NEW SET OF LIGHTS. SO THAT WOULD KIND OF DEFRAY A LITTLE, LITTLE COST ON OUR END.

VIEW TWO IS NORTHEAST FROM FLESHMAN PARK. SO IT'S A DRONE VIEW.

YOU'LL SEE IN THAT HEDGE OUTLINE THERE, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF, OF BOXES.

ONE OF THEM WOULD BE ELECTRICAL MANAGEMENT, THE OTHER ONE FOR SURE A GENERATOR.

I THINK THESE PICTURES ARE A LITTLE, LET'S SAY CLEANER THAN THE ACTUAL IMPLEMENTATION WOULD BE.

BUT AGAIN, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR SIMULATIONS AND RENDERINGS.

VUE THREE IS LOOKING NORTH FROM FLEISCHMANN PARK, LOOKING ACROSS THE THE MALL THERE ACROSS FLEISCHMANN BOULEVARD.

AND IT JUST KIND OF GIVES YOU THE OVERALL HEIGHT RELATIVE TO THE SURROUNDINGS AND VIEW.

FOUR IS THE DRONE VIEW LOOKING NORTHWEST FROM FLEISCHMANN PARK.

AND AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THAT HEDGEROW, WHICH WOULD BE THE IDEA TO PROTECT THE AND SHIELD THE, THE EQUIPMENT WITHIN. SO, SO THE. YES, SIR. CAN YOU GO BACK ONE SLIDE, PLEASE? SO IF WE, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, IF WE FOLLOW THAT FENCE LINE THAT THAT'S CURVING TO THE LEFT WITH THE OTHER PROPOSED LOCATION, BE RIGHT, MORE OR LESS AT THE END OF THAT FENCE LINE IN THAT YES.

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SO SAME CONCEPT BEHIND THIS DUGOUT TYPE OF THING.

AND YEAH, THE LIGHT BAR WOULD, WOULD, WOULD BE ATTACHED AS WELL.

OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. I'M GOING TO COVER JUST A FEW POINTS ON HERE BECAUSE THE NUMBERS ARE ACTUALLY VARIABLES.

WE CAN I'M GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW, ASK TO ADJUST IF YOU WILL, TO OUR LIKING.

BUT THEY, THEY'VE INITIALLY PROPOSED A TOTAL OF A 50 YEAR AGREEMENT.

SO THAT'S AN INITIAL FIVE YEARS WITH NINE ADDITIONAL FIVE YEAR RENEWALS.

WE HAVE, WE'VE DISCUSSED OPTIONS ANYWHERE FROM, YOU KNOW, SIX RENEWAL TERMS OR ANYWHERE BETWEEN 6 AND 9.

SO, SO THAT WOULD KIND OF BE UP FOR DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION.

THE, THE INITIAL, WELL, I SHOULD SAY TIERS TWO AND THREE, THOSE ADDITIONAL CARRIERS WOULD BE WELL, I'M SORRY, THE PRIMARY CARRIER $4,000 ANNUALLY, OR $2,000 A MONTH WOULD BE THE INITIAL RENT THEY WOULD PAY, AND THEY PROPOSED A 2% ANNUAL INCREASE AS AN ESCALATOR.

WE UNDERSTAND THAT THE GOING RATE IS 3%. SO THERE'S ANOTHER VARIABLE WE COULD PLAY WITH.

AND THEN THEY'VE ASKED FOR A 50 FOOT BY 40 FOOT FOOTPRINT, IF YOU WILL.

AND IF THAT CHANGED, WE COULD ALSO CHANGE THE CALCULUS OF OF THE NUMBERS, IF YOU WILL.

YOU KNOW WHAT WE CHARGE PER SQUARE FOOT, ESSENTIALLY.

I'LL SKIP DOWN TO THE FIFTH BULLET HERE. THE ADDITIONAL REVENUE SHARE.

SO THAT'S FOR TIERS TWO AND THREE ON THAT. ON THAT TOWER WOULD BE $5,000.

SORRY, $500 PER MONTH OR $6,000 ANNUALLY. PLUS A ONE TIME $5,000 PAYMENT, IF YOU WILL, FOR THEIR, THE ONBOARDING OF THAT REALISTICALLY, JUST AT THE LAST BULLET, WE'RE LOOKING AT ONE MAJOR ANCHOR TENANT THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE VERIZON.

THAT'S WHO THEY'RE BRINGING IT FORWARD ON THEIR BEHALF.

AND TO CO-LOCATE PROBABLY AT&T AND T-MOBILE. SO SO THE MATH IN TERMS OF THIS, THIS BOTTOM LINE SAYS OVER THE, THE LEASE OF THE THE LIFE OF THE LEASE AGREEMENT WOULD BE ABOUT 2.875 MILLION.

AGAIN, WE COULD CHANGE THAT CALCULUS DEPENDING ON THE ANNUAL ESCALATOR.

AND, AND YOU KNOW, INITIAL RENT, IF YOU WILL.

THIS NEXT SLIDE IS NOT REALLY TO BE READ. IT'S SIMPLY JUST TO SHOW YOU THAT, THAT DEPENDING ON WHAT WE WANT TO DO AS, AS, AS A CITY, WE COULD CHANGE SOME, SOME OF THOSE VARIABLES.

WHAT THE ANNUAL INCREASE IS, WE COULD CHANGE THE, THE, THE NUMBER OF YEARS, OR WE CAN PROPOSE TO DO THAT IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE TO TOWER.

COM. RIGHT. SO IT WOULD JUST BE A OBVIOUSLY GET TO A MUTUAL AGREEMENT.

AND THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY DETERMINE WHAT THE BOTTOM LINE RENT NUMBERS WOULD BE IN THE ANNUAL AND TOTAL GROSS OF THE PROJECT IN THE FINAL SLIDE IN THIS PACK IS THE PUT IN HERE PORT ROYAL ANTENNA.

SO YES, WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE AS A CITY IN TERMS OF LEASED CELLULAR COMMUNICATIONS TOWERS.

WE DO THAT AT AT PORT ROYAL. THE THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS ON THIS PAGE IS WHAT I RECEIVED FROM PUBLIC UTILITIES A WHILE AGO, WHO WAS AT LEAST AT THAT TIME, MANAGING THE BULK OF THAT THAT PROJECT.

I DO WANT TO SHOW YOU DAVID, CAN YOU BRING UP THE POWERPOINT? IT'S PROBABLY ON THE. YES. PERFECT. THANK YOU SIR.

SO, SO BASICALLY THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING TO ENHANCE THE COVERAGE AND THE CAPACITY IN AN AREA WHERE THERE THERE IS IS A WEAKNESS IN TERMS OF, I'LL SAY, NOT ONLY IDEAL COVERAGE, I'LL SAY THERE'S WEAK COVERAGE.

AND WE KNOW THAT FROM FROM JUST BEING IN THE AREA OURSELVES.

I JUST WANT TO SHOW YOU THIS SLIDE. AND MR. VICE MAYOR, YOU HAD ASKED ME SOME QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF THE HEIGHT OF THAT PROPOSED TOWER, 149FT IN TOTAL. THE, THE ITEMS IN BOLD ON THIS PAGE SHOW THE EXISTING LARGER STRUCTURES, THE, THE MACRO TOWERS THE FLESHMAN PARK MONOPOLE AT 149FT WOULD BE THE TALLEST TOWER IN THE CITY.

SO I THINK THAT KIND OF SPEAKS TO YOUR CONCERN IS BRIARWOOD, THAT MASSIVE ONE GOING DOWN THE EAST TRAIL THAT YOU SEE THAT LOOKS LIKE IT HAS A FAKE TREE AT THE TOP. I, I THINK THAT'S THE ONE. ACTUALLY THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AIRPORT, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN.

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I THINK THAT WOULD BE YES, THAT WOULD BE THE, IT WOULD BE IN COLLIER COUNTY, BUT I THINK THAT IS THE, THE ITEM OR IS, OR IS THE ONE THAT I'VE SEEN THE ONE AT THE TOP TAMIAMI THAT'S 125FT.

IT JUST IT LOOKS WHERE IT IS. IT LOOKS SO, SO TALL.

YEAH. IN MY NOTES I HAVE THAT'S THE EAST OF EAST OF THE AIRPORT.

AND THAT'S A RELATIVELY TALL STRUCTURE. THE SELF SUPPORT MEANS IT'S ONE OF THOSE THAT LOOKS MORE LIKE AN ERECTOR SET THAN A, THAN A MONOPOLE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER DESCRIPTION.

MAKE SENSE. STALLING A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE I KNOW ALLISON'S POPPING IN THE LATITUDE AND LONGITUDE INTO INTO THE MAP HERE. SHE'S EFFICIENT THAT WAY. IT IS? YES.

THAT THAT LOCATION, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S COMING UP OFF OF AIRPORT POOLING.

ACROSS FROM THE AIRPORT. WHICH ONE NEAR? BOB'S THE ONE THAT'S LISTED AS BRIARWOOD.

OKAY. DO YOU KNOW THE ONE I'M TALKING ABOUT? THAT'S DOWN.

I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT PAST THE COURTHOUSE.

DO YOU KNOW? BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED, BUT IT'S VERY TALL.

YEAH. I DON'T KNOW HOW TALL IT IS. I KNOW WHICH ONE.

I'M JUST TRYING TO VISUALIZE HOW THAT COMPARES TO THIS 149.

IF IT'S THE SAME OR DIFFERENT. I KNOW WE PULLED THE LOCATIONS FOR LIKE, NAPLES HIGH, WHICH I THINK THAT ONE WAS 101.

YES, 101. SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, ROUGHLY, YOU KNOW, 48FT SHORTER OR THAT ONE'S ROUGHLY 48FT SHORTER THAN THE ONE THAT THEY'RE PROPOSING HERE.

AND WE CAN OBVIOUSLY DO A LITTLE MORE G2 ON THAT PARTICULAR TOWER.

YEAH. AND WE WOULD HAVE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'D HAVE TO INVESTIGATE.

THE FIRST REASON WE WANTED TO BRING IT AT THIS STAGE IS TO SAY, DO YOU HAVE AN INTEREST IN PUTTING A CELL TOWER IN A PUBLIC PARK, AS THAT IS THE DELINEATED LOCATION? AND THEN IN TERMS OF WE CAN GET COMPARISONS TO TRY TO GIVE YOU A VISUAL ASPECT ON THAT, BUT I DID WANT TO FIRST MAKE SURE YOU WANTED US TO PROCEED AT ALL WITH IT BEFORE WE GOT TOO FAR DOWN THE PATH ON THAT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. DID YOU I HAVE SPEAKERS. DO YOU WANT.

OH YEAH. GO AHEAD. I HAVE MORE QUESTIONS LATER, BUT.

THANK YOU. I HAVE A QUESTION ON WHETHER THEY'VE ACTUALLY SAID THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE RELIABLE COVERAGE BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE ONE AT NAPLES HIGH. WE HAVE THE ONE AT PORT ROYAL.

IT DIDN'T HELP IN CELL PHONE COVERAGE. IT'S. I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, I'M A NO FOR A PUBLIC PARK AT ALL.

THERE'S TOO MANY KIDS. THERE'S TOO MANY UNKNOWNS.

YOU CAN'T GIVE ME ENOUGH MONEY TO PUT THOSE RESIDENTS IN JEOPARDY.

BEING THAT IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE OUR UNRELIABLE COVERAGE.

LOOKS LIKE IT GOES UP NORTH. I IT'S IT'S TOO SMALL FOR ME TO ACTUALLY READ WHAT THAT IS.

AND I HAVE NO DATA SAYING THAT IT'S GOING TO BE SOUTH AND IT'S HEALTHY AND SAFE FOR RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

I THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH. AND I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF PUTTING THIS IN FLESHMAN PARK AT ALL.

SO JUST A COUPLE OF POINTS, IF I MAY. SO THE SLIDES YOU WERE REFERRING TO ARE PAGES EIGHT AND NINE IN THE OTHER PACKET, RIGHT? HERE'S THE EXISTING COVERAGE. WHEN I FLIP OVER TO THE FOLLOWING PAGE.

THAT BASICALLY SAYS A LOT OF THE RED GOES AWAY.

THE AREA EAST OF 41 HERE HAS BEEN OR I'M SORRY, THE AREA WEST, PARTICULARLY OF 41 HAS BEEN DIFFICULT FOR US TO COVER TO COVER. OBVIOUSLY THERE, THERE AREN'T ANY CELL TOWERS WEST OF THAT POSITION BECAUSE OF THE GULF.

AND YOU CAN SEE THE, THE COVERAGE TO EAST BASICALLY TAKES US TO THE CITY BORDER.

JUST THE ONE THING FOR ALL OF US TO KEEP IN MIND IS THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR OTHER SITES IN AND AROUND THAT, THAT GENERAL COVERAGE AREA, WHETHER IT'S WITH THE CITY OR NOT SO GOOD.

I THINK THEY SHOULD LOOK IN OTHER AREAS. BUT YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT COVERAGE. OH, BEING POOR COVERAGE. MY FIRST.

THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD ABOUT THAT. I KNOW THAT IT'S SOUTH.

WE HAVE POOR COVERAGE. SO THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME KNOW.

I DIDN'T KNOW I HAVE NOT HAD ANY COMPLAINTS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THAT.

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BUT I THINK IT COULD GO SOMEPLACE OTHER THAN A PUBLIC PARK.

BUT WITH THAT, I HAVE KRAMER AND THEN CURL AND THEN SCHULTZ.

THANKS, ANDREW. THANKS FOR TRYING TO GENERATE SOME REVENUE FOR THE CITY.

ANY COMMENTS? IF I GET FIRED UP RIGHT NOW, IT IS NOT DIRECTED TOWARDS YOU.

OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING THEY DIDN'T SHOW ANY PICTURES FROM JUST NORTH OF THE PARK.

SO THAT WHEREVER YOU ARE, THAT'S DISINGENUOUS TO ME.

BECAUSE YOU GOT THE DAGGUM THING. IT'S IN LEFT CENTER FIELD WHERE EVERY LITTLE LEAGUER IS GOING TO HIT A GOOD SHOT IF HE'S A RIGHTY.

LIKE, THAT'S JUST GOOFY. WHAT ARE WE DOING? WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO BUILD? LIKE, PUT PADS UP AROUND LEFT CENTER FIELD? WELL, SO ONE OF THE REASONS WE DID ENTERTAIN THAT SITE OR I SHOULD SAY IS MORE APPEALING THAN OTHER OPTIONS IN THAT AREA IS I KNOW PARKS AND REC, I KNOW CHAD'S TEAM HAS A DIFFERENT PLAN FOR THE OUTFIELD OF THAT, THAT MAJOR LEAGUE FIELD. SO I DON'T THINK IT DOESN'T END UP BEING INTRUSIVE ON A MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL FIELD.

CHAD. THANK YOU. GET THAT RIGHT. ARE YOU GOING TO SHORTEN THE WALL THERE IN LEFT FIELD, BUDDY? DO I HAVE TO MAKE EVERYBODY WATCH THE SANDLOT RIGHT NOW? IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO.

SORRY TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT, CHAD. THAT'S ALL GOOD.

CHAD MERRITT COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR YEAH, SO THAT FIELD WE DON'T UTILIZE IT FOR ADULT PLAY.

WE USE THE LARGER FIELD FOR ADULT PLAY, AND MAINLY BECAUSE AN ADULT THAT CAN HIT THE BALL OUT OF THAT FIELD, WE DON'T WANT THE BALL LANDING ON FLEISCHMAN BOULEVARD.

SO IT'S IT'S NOT SAFE FOR THE CARS PASSING. SO IT'S UTILIZED FOR THE LITTLE LEAGUE.

SO IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN BY THAT FIELD, YOU SEE THAT WE HAVE A TEMPORARY FIELD OR FENCE EXCUSE ME, THAT WE PUT UP. SO THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION WE HAD WITH WITH ANDREW WAS, YOU KNOW, THIS SPACE IS NOT GOING TO BE UTILIZED.

AND AT SOME POINT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK TO PROBABLY PUT A MORE PERMANENT FENCE UP.

THE MINOR LEAGUE, THE MINORS, I MEAN, THE MAJOR KIDS CAN'T YOU DON'T HAVE THE 12 TO 14 YEAR OLDS THAT THEY CAN HIT TO THE FENCE.

THE JUST THE ONE THAT WE PUT UP THE TEMPORARY FENCE, WHICH IS LIKE 200FT.

SO THE CURRENT ONE IS A ROUGHLY PUSHING ABOUT 300FT.

SO THAT WAS MAINLY SET UP FOR LIKE THE SOFTBALL ADULT SOFTBALL LEAGUE AND SOME OF YOUR OLDER KIDS.

AND THEY STOP USING IT FOR THAT BEFORE I GOT HERE.

SO THAT WAS WHY WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT THIS WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE OR A POSSIBLE SPACE.

BUT AS HE STATED, THE OPTION B, IF WE WERE GOING TO PURSUE THIS WOULD PROBABLY BE A BETTER ONE IN MY SENSE, BECAUSE THEN YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANY OF THAT AND YOU HAVE A DIRECT ACCESS POINT TO THAT LIGHT POLE, WHICH IS WHAT THEY WANT. I WOULD ALSO SAY. IT'S LAUGHABLE THAT THE REVENUE SHARE WOULD BE $500 A MONTH.

OUR FAMILY PLAN WITH VERIZON IS ALMOST $500 A MONTH.

THAT'S A JOKE. SO THAT'S A JOKE TO ME. LIKE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE COME WAY STRONGER THAN THAT IF THEY WANT TO USE.

WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT RIGHT OF WAYS AND HANGING ON TO YOUR SPACE AND ALL THAT. AND THEN WE LOOKED AT THIS. AND THAT IS DISTURBING TO ME.

AND ALSO I'LL HARP ON THIS AGAIN, THE BEST LOBBYING JOB I'VE EVER DONE IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND.

I THINK IT WAS UNDER OBAMA WHERE WE HAD TO HAVE ACCESS FOR THOSE WITHOUT ACCESS TO THE DIGITAL WORLD, AND WE GAVE AWAY ALL OF OUR RIGHT OF WAYS WITHOUT US HAVING ANY SAY. AND SO WE HAVE ALL THESE MICRO TOWERS.

THERE'S ONE AT THE END OF MY STREET. I MEAN, I COULD, I COULD THROW A BASEBALL AND HIT IT. AND I DON'T HAVE A VERY GOOD ARM.

AND THEY'RE ALL OVER AND THEY PAINT THEM BLACK.

AND WE QUIT SEEING THEM, BUT THEY'RE ALL OVER TOWN.

AND I AM, AT MY CORE, OPPOSED TO THAT. SO I AM A.

I'M TRYING TO BE OBJECTIVE AND I'M TRYING TO LOOK AT THE REVENUE STREAM, AND I'M TRYING TO BALANCE THE FACT THAT THEY'LL JUST GO SOMEPLACE ELSE.

AND WITH THIS OFFER, I DON'T CARE. LIKE, I DON'T CARE.

AND I HATE THAT I DON'T, BUT I DON'T. SO I'M A NO.

TWO MAN. THANK YOU. WELL SAID. YEAH. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO SPEND.

I'M A STRONG. NO. FIRST OF ALL, IT'S FIVE G. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING ON THESE TOWERS.

THEN WHAT'S IT GOING TO BE? THE EMF RADIATION THAT COMES OFF.

THESE THINGS ARE PROVEN HAZARD. MATTER OF FACT, THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION THE FCC CONFIRMED THAT FIVE G EXPOSURE 150 TO 200 TIMES BELOW THE INTERNATIONAL SAFETY LIMITS. I MEAN THAT THEY THROW OFF.

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AND IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST, IT'S THE WRONG THING.

YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE TOWERS NEAR SCHOOLS OR PLAYGROUNDS OR PARKS THAT THEY'RE PLAYING IN.

IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE MAKE ANY SENSE. AND, AND ALSO THE WILDLIFE IMPACT AND HAVING A ZOO NEARBY DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO HAVE IT.

AND NOW YOU HAVE SATELLITE AS COMING AS AN ALTERNATIVE, WHICH YOU HAVE LESS EMF.

YOU DON'T NEED TOWERS ANYMORE. SO THAT'S BASICALLY WHERE I THINK THE FUTURE'S GOING.

FAIR ENOUGH. JUST TO MAKE SURE. I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE A HORSE IN THIS RACE, BUT JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M REPRESENTING IT OBJECTIVELY THERE, THERE IS A THIRD ATTACHMENT IN THERE, WHICH THE LAST TWO PAGES DO TALK ABOUT HEALTH AND.

RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY, SCHULTZ. WE'LL TAKE THE TOWER IN NORTH NAPLES, WHERE I LIVE. WE WE HAVE TERRIBLE COVERAGE, BUT IT'S PUT IT SOMEWHAT UP THERE BECAUSE WE IN MY IN MY CONDO, I IT'S INSANE. THE COVERAGE IS TERRIBLE. SO TAKE TELL THEM TAKE IT FROM THERE AND PUT IT BY US.

THANKS VICE MAYOR. YEAH. I'M FOR IMPROVING COVERAGE BECAUSE I LIVE IN ONE OF THOSE RED AREAS WHERE CALLS ARE DROPPED WHEN I'M SITTING AT MY HOUSE ALL THE TIME.

AND I KNOW MY NEIGHBORS ARE VERY FRUSTRATED ANYTIME THERE'S A STORM THAT THEY CAN'T EVEN CALL 911 BECAUSE NOBODY HAS A LANDLINE ANYMORE.

SO I'M ALL FOR IMPROVING CELL COVERAGE IN THE NORTHERN HALF OF THE CITY.

IT'S IT'S TERRIBLE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS IS THE RIGHT LOCATION.

DON'T LIKE THE SIZE OR THE FINANCIAL. I MEAN, IT WOULD NEED A LOT OF WORK.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN HELP THEM FIND ANOTHER LOCATION.

THAT'S BETTER. WHETHER IT'S CITY LAND OR PRIVATE LAND THAT THEY LEASE FROM SOMEONE ELSE.

BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE MUCH BETTER COVERAGE.

JUST A NORMAL DAYS. WE DON'T HAVE GOOD COVERAGE.

BUT WHAT WORRIES ME THE MOST IS THE HURRICANES AND TROPICAL STORMS WHEN PEOPLE REALLY NEED IT.

AND IT'S JUST UNRELIABLE TODAY. AND IF YOU DO LOOK AT THEIR JUSTIFICATION, RIGHT, IT'S NOT ONLY COVERAGE, BUT IT IS CAPACITY AGAIN, TO TO BE TO MAKE SURE I'M OBJECTIVELY TRYING TO POINT OUT SOME OF THE ITEMS THEY'RE BRINGING FORWARD.

AND THERE IS SOME CITY LAND, I THINK UP BY SOLANA ROAD ON GOODLETT AND SOLANA.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SUITABLE, IF IT'S THE RIGHT LOCATION.

IT SEEMS TO BE FURTHER. AT LEAST IT'S FURTHER NORTH THAN THEIR INTEREST AREA FOR SURE.

OKAY, WELL, I'M SURE THERE'S PRIVATE OPTIONS, BUT SURE.

OR COASTLINE MALL ITSELF, MAYBE ON TOP OF THE BUILDING OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW.

THERE HAVE TO BE OTHER LOCATIONS, BUT I DO SUPPORT TRYING TO HELP THEM FIND A SUITABLE LOCATION TO IMPROVE SERVICE FOR OUR RESIDENTS.

YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT. BUT WHERE ARE THE CELL TOWERS LIKE THE I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL THOSE BLACK MUSSELS.

THE SMALL CELL TOWERS? YES. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? THOSE ARE PERMITTED. AND I DID WANT TO CLARIFY BECAUSE THOSE THE SMALL CELL TOWERS OR THEY DON'T LIKE TO CALL THEM TOWERS. BUT THE SMALL CELLS ARE THOSE ARE WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.

AND PER THE FLORIDA STATUTES, WE CANNOT DENY THEM.

SO THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO JUST LET THEM THROUGH.

IT'S. I SAID THAT'S THE BEST LOBBYING JOB IN THE HISTORY OF WHAT WE DO.

YEAH. AND WE DO HAVE THERE'S THE CLOSEST ONE TO THIS LOCATION IS OFF OF IT'S OVER BY PUBLIX OFF OF MANDARIN.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S UP NORTH. OH, THERE'S YES, THERE'S, WE HAVE, AND WE HAVE A MAP ACTUALLY ON OUR WEBSITE THAT SHOWS ALL THE LOCATIONS.

THERE'S SEVERAL LOCATIONS PRIMARILY ALONG GULF SHORE BOULEVARD NORTH.

WE HAVE SOME LOCATIONS ON GULF SHORE BOULEVARD SOUTH AS WELL.

THAT AND IN THE REGION. BY LOUDERMILK PARK THAT ARE INSTALLED AND BY THE PIER.

THERE'S ONE SMALL CELL THERE AS WELL. SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THAT'S SHOWING THE LOCATION THEY WERE INSTALLED.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE HOOKED UP. CORRECT? YES, THEY DID STATE. NOW, THE VICE MAYOR AND I HAVE HAD SOME DISCUSSIONS WITH THE VERIZON AT LEAST, AND THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO BE UP AND RUNNING AT THIS POINT.

THE LOCATIONS ON GULF SHORE BOULEVARD IN THAT AREA.

IT'S JUST SOUTH OF THE BRIDGE, I GUESS. AND THAT WE'LL GO BACK TO THE MIRACLE MILE AREA.

THOSE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE RUNNING AT THIS POINT ARE UP IN IN OPERATIONAL.

I WAS JUST SPEAKING TO SOMEONE WHEN I STEPPED OUT AND I HEARD THAT THERE'S STILL SOME ISSUES, SO I MIGHT NEED TO FOLLOW UP ON, ON THE STATUS TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THEY'RE WORKING.

SO I, I WILL, I WILL FOLLOW UP AND, AND SEE WHERE THAT'S AT BECAUSE THEY DID, THEY, THEY DID PROMISE US THAT THOSE WOULD BE UP AND RUNNING.

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LET'S LET'S GET WHAT WE HAVE WORKING BEFORE WE GO AND PUT 145 FOOT TOWER AND THAT THE FOOT OR THE ENTRANCE OF OUR CITY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES, THAT'S A LOT. YES.

YES. YES. BACK IN 2008 IN MICHIGAN, I HAD TEN ACRES, AND VERIZON AT THAT TIME CAME TO ME AND DID A PREPAY.

THEY SAID, WE'LL PAY YOU IN ADVANCE FOR THE REST OF THE TIME AND JUST GIVE YOU A LUMP SUM CHECK.

THAT WAS GOING TO BE THEIR STRATEGY MOVING FORWARD. THIS SEEMS TO BE THEY'RE GOING BACK AGAIN TO MONTHLY PAYS.

AND THAT SEEMS COUNTERINTUITIVE FROM WHAT THEY DID 18, 19 YEARS AGO.

THEY THERE THERE ARE SOME APPLICATIONS. WE ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN THE, THE LOCATION AT LANTERN WHERE THERE IS A EXISTING POLE THEY ARE LOOKING AT, THEY PRESENTED THAT AS ONE OF THE OPTIONS AS FAR AS A LUMP SUM VERSUS THEY'RE WANTING TO LOOK AT THE RENEWAL POLICY.

SO I THINK IT'S JUST THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION AND REQUEST THAT THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE OPTIONS WITH THE, THE MONTHLY PAYMENTS. AND CERTAINLY IF IT WAS COUNCIL'S DIRECTION, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, BRING THAT BACK TO THEM.

BUT OBVIOUSLY WAITING FOR YOUR DIRECTION, IT'S JUST A QUESTION AT THE TIME THAT WAS A CORPORATE STRATEGY MANY YEARS AGO, SO MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING THEY'D BE AMENABLE TO.

THANK YOU. AND JUST TO ECHO THAT, I MEAN, WE STILL HAVE EXISTING ONES THAT ARE GOING TO EXPIRE.

WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO AND WE'LL KEEP, YOU KNOW, EVEN WITH THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY, WE CAN CONTINUE TO LOOK FOR OPPORTUNITIES.

BUT THIS ONE HAS BEEN SITTING HERE FOR A WHILE, AND I WANTED TO AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, EITHER HAVE A DISCUSSION, YES, NO, MAYBE, OR, YOU KNOW, AND I MEAN, I THINK I HEARD CONSENSUS IS PARKS OFF LIMITS.

YOU GET ANOTHER ONE, COME BACK TO US AND CONTINUE TO WORK THEM ALL.

AND IF I'M MISINTERPRETING THEN THAT, THEN PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

I, I THINK YOU ARE. AND COUNCILMEMBER KRAMER JUST LOOKED UP.

WE HAVE 22 IN THE CITY, SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY ARE ACTUALLY FUNCTIONING AND WHY WOULD WE GO TO 145 FOOT.

WHAT'S THE BENEFIT OF THAT BESIDES GOING BACKWARDS? I GOT IT RIGHT. GENERALLY IT'S THE ANGLE OF COVERAGE.

YEAH. YOU KNOW, LET'S NOT PUT THESE SMALL MICROWAVES IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS IF THAT'S IT.

BUT STILL, I THINK YOU DO HAVE THE CONSENSUS, JUST NOT IN OUR CITY PARK.

SO ALSO, I CAN'T EVEN IMAGINE. I MEAN, WE DO HAVE PLANES THAT COME FROM THAT DIRECTION THAT THAT WOULDN'T THAT THAT'S GONE.

RIGHT. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS WHEN THEY INITIALLY TALKED ABOUT IT, 165 FOOT TOWER THAT THEY LOWERED IT TO THE 149 BASED UPON THE PROXIMITY TO THE AIRPORT. AND ANYTHING HIGHER WOULD HAVE TO BE REALLY LIT UP WITH AVIATION LIGHTING OR, OH, WAIT, THAT'S ALL WE NEED IS WELL, RIGHT, HIGHER THAN 149.

I THINK WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION TODAY. THAT'S RIGHT.

I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

MAYOR. WE HAVE OUR DIRECTION. THANK YOU. OKAY, PERFECT.

WE'LL LEAVE YOU LAUGHING. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.

WELL, THAT THAT WAS GOOD. THANK YOU. WE CONCLUDE SIX F AND THAT TAKES US TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU SIR. CORRESPONDENCE AND COMMUNICATIONS COUNCIL MEMBER CARL.

[8) COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, AND STAFF]

AND I THINK THAT MAKES US SPECIAL. AND I APPLAUD EVERYBODY'S EFFORTS TO SUPPORT THE TURTLE NEST LIGHTING AND HELP SOLVE THE DISORIENTATION PROBLEM.

SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY, REALLY A POSITIVE THING.

A GOOD THING. GOOD KARMA. I MEAN, JUST ALL AROUND GOOD THING.

THANK YOU. BARTON. KRAMER. JUST SHOUT OUT TO GARY YOUNG, OUR MAYOR AND HIS STAFF.

NO, SERIOUSLY. EVERY TIME WE HAVE A WORKSHOP AND WE SEE HOW HARD EVERYBODY IS WORKING AND THIS IS THE OTHER STUFF, LIKE THEY STILL HAVE TO DO THE DAY TO DAY, MAN.

AND THIS IS THE OTHER THINGS BESIDES THE DAY TO DAY, WHICH COME WITH THEIR OWN SET OF, OF ROADBLOCKS AND, AND CHALLENGES. AND SO THANK YOU EVERYBODY. THAT'S GREAT WORK, REALLY SMART PEOPLE THAT WORK REALLY HARD.

AND WE'RE BLESSED TO HAVE YOU. YES, THE CITY MANAGER DESERVES AN INCREASE, NOT A DECREASE FOR ALL THE WORK THAT HE DOES.

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YEAH, I THINK I HAVE A FEW MINUTES. THERE'S AN IDEA I'VE BEEN WORKING ON WITH GARY AND WANTED TO UPDATE YOU ON IT AND GET ANY INITIAL FEEDBACK YOU HAVE AND SEE IF WE IF IT'S OKAY TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD.

THERE IS A PARCEL OF LAND FOR SALE THAT'S 11.38 ACRES JUST OUTSIDE OF CITY LIMITS, BUT TOUCHES CITY LIMITS. IT'S CURRENTLY VACANT.

IT'S TOUCHES THE AIRPORT ON ONE SIDE AND ROCK CREEK ON THE OTHER SIDE.

AND THEN IT HAS HOMES ON EITHER SIDE. I KNOW THE FAMILY THAT'S SELLING IT.

AND THEY'VE BEEN CONSIDERING TRYING TO SELL IT OR DEVELOP IT THEMSELVES.

I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT THEY ARE OPEN TO POTENTIALLY SELLING IT TO THE CITY.

THE IDEA IS IF WE BOUGHT IT, WE COULD THEN USE IT FOR POTENTIALLY PROFESSIONAL TYPE WORKFORCE HOUSING, YOU KNOW, FOR PEOPLE WHO WORK IN THE CITY, PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR THE CITY, PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR THE HOSPITAL, WHATEVER. IT COULD BE A GOOD PARCEL FOR LAND.

THE CITY COULD BUY THE LAND, ANNEX IT INTO THE CITY, AND THEN OWN THE LAND AND WORK WITH A NOT FOR PROFIT OR DEVELOPER.

THERE'S LOTS OF MODELS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE IN OUR VARIOUS AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING DISCUSSIONS OVER THE YEARS.

WHO COULD HELP US DEVELOP IT AND MANAGE IT? SO THE CITY IS NOT ACTUALLY MANAGING THE, THE HOUSING PART OF IT.

THE CITY WOULD JUST OWN AND CONTROL THE LAND AND THE ZONING.

THEY'VE OFFERED US A 90 DAY INVESTIGATION PERIOD.

NON BINDING, NO COST, NO DEPOSIT. AND GARY, I'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT, THAT THAT MIGHT MAKE SOME SENSE.

THAT WOULD GIVE US TIME TO EVALUATE THE PROPERTY, DO AN APPRAISAL IF WE NEED TO ANY KIND OF OTHER INVESTIGATIONS ON THE ACTUAL LAND AND THEN TALK TO POTENTIAL PARTNERS WHO MIGHT BE WILLING TO HELP FINANCE THE LAND OR HELP FINANCE THE HOUSING OR RUN THE HOUSING, JUST DIFFERENT COMMUNITY PARTNERS. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO'VE EXPRESSED AN INTEREST IN HELPING PROMOTE HOUSING, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH, PARTICULARLY CLOSE IN TO THE CITY.

THE CURRENT ASKING PRICE IS $10 MILLION FOR THE 11.38 ACRES.

OF COURSE, WE COULD ZONE IT. IF WE OWN THE LAND, WE COULD ZONE IT HOW WE WANT TO.

I WAS LOOKING AT THE I THINK IT'S MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL HOUSING, WHICH IS 0 TO 12 UNITS PER ACRE.

THAT'S THE LOW RISE, YOU KNOW, 2 OR 3 STORY TYPE BUILDINGS WITH PLENTY OF GREEN SPACE.

THAT WOULD EVEN LEAVE STILL SOME SPACE FOR MAYBE A MINI PARK RIGHT BY THE CREEK, ROCK CREEK, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN BACK THERE. IT'S A NICE, NICE LITTLE CREEK THAT FEEDS RIGHT INTO THE GORDON RIVER WITH SOME RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR FOR OUR RESIDENTS. THERE ARE LOTS OF QUESTIONS, LOTS OF THINGS WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT AND VET AND, AND THINK ABOUT HOW IT WOULD WORK. BUT I THINK BEFORE WE WENT TOO FAR, SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON IT, WE WANTED TO GET SOME INITIAL THOUGHTS OR REACTION.

AND IF IT'S TOO SOON, IF YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT IT AND TALK ABOUT IT ANOTHER TIME, THAT'S TOO, THAT'S FINE TOO. JUST WANTED TO START TO ENGAGE EVERYBODY IN THIS DISCUSSION.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION? QUICK QUESTION. DOES IT ABUTS NORTH ROAD? YES. IT'S ALONG NORTH ROAD. SO YOU GOT THE TRAILER PARK AND THEN THE AND THEN THE CONDOS AND THEN THIS LAND.

IS THAT WHERE IT IS? NO. YOU GOT THE TRAILER PARK DOWN BY AIRPORT ROAD, RIGHT.

AND THEN THEN THERE'S SOME SINGLE FAMILY HOUSING.

OH, A FEW. YOU. THAT'S RIGHT. AND THEN CONDOS. AND THEN THIS PROPERTY.

THEN SOME MORE SINGLE FAMILY. LIKE 2 OR 3 HOMES.

SINGLE FAMILY. BECAUSE ONCE UPON A TIME, A FAMILY OWNED ALL OF THIS.

RIGHT. AND THEY HAVE GRADUALLY SOLD DIFFERENT PIECES OF IT.

THEN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THOSE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IS THAT CONDO.

SO IT'S RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF ALL THAT. YEAH. OH, WOW. AND IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE NORTH ROAD TERMINAL.

I KNOW RIGHT WHERE IT IS. AND IT'S REALLY PRETTY LAND.

LOTS OF BIG MATURE TREES. IT'S, I THINK, A VERY ATTRACTIVE OPPORTUNITY THAT I DON'T KNOW ANYWHERE IN OR CLOSE TO THE CITY WITH THIS MUCH ACREAGE THAT'S UNDEVELOPED THAT WE COULD CONSIDER.

I'LL JUST SAY IN CONCEPT, I'M I THINK IT'S FABULOUS IN CONCEPT.

LIKE YOU SAID, 90 DAYS TO FIND OUT MORE. YEAH.

LOTS OF DETAILS WE'D HAVE TO THINK ABOUT AND WORK THROUGH.

[06:45:04]

WITH THE GENTLEMAN WHO'S SELLING IT HAD PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS, JUST THINGS THAT HE WAS, YOU KNOW, LOOKING ANYTHING HE WAS TRYING TO MAKE SURE DID OR DIDN'T GO THERE.

AND I THINK THE BIGGEST THING IS, IS GETTING AN APPRAISAL AND THEN HAVING AS AS MR. BLANKENSHIP SAID, ALSO HAVING SOME DISCUSSION WITH SOME DEVELOPERS AND PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE HOUSING AREA IN THIS COMMUNITY TO SAY, IS THERE IS THERE A WILLINGNESS THAT IF WE PARTNER WITH THIS, THAT IT'S AN ATTRACTIVE PROPOSITION TO YOU? SO WE KNOW WE HAVE A WILLING PARTNER BECAUSE, AS YOU KNOW, THIS WILL PLAY AGAINST, YOU KNOW, GOVERNMENTAL EXPENDITURES. I'M ALWAYS GOING TO BE THAT PERSON. RIGHT? AND SO YOU WEIGH THAT AGAINST OTHER THINGS. BUT IF WE CAN FIND A PARTNER AND, AND WHO'S WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, CARRY A LOT OF THE LOAD IN TERMS OF FINDING THE DEVELOPER OR EVEN HAS A DEVELOPER WHO THEY'VE WORKED WITH.

THAT GOES A LONG WAY OF SAYING IS, IS THE JUICE WORTH THE SQUEEZE? SO I THINK THAT HAVING THIS 90 DAY PERIOD TO AT LEAST LISTEN TO THOSE OPPORTUNITIES WEIGHED AGAINST THE DENSITY THAT WE HAVE POTENTIAL ON HERE AS MAKING THE ASSUMPTION THAT IT WOULD BE ANNEXED AND THAT THING AND THAT. SO EVERYONE'S ON THE SAME PAGE AS TO THOSE VARIABLES.

THEN AT LEAST WE COULD WE COULD COME BACK TO YOU WITH A TRUE REPORT.

SO I LIKE THAT AS A PERSPECTIVE. I HOPE I DID.

THANK YOU. AND I'M GOING TO TRY TO HELP SO THAT IT'S NOT A HUGE AMOUNT OF WORKLOAD PUT ON TO MR. YOUNG OR THE STAFF, BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE AREAS I DON'T HAVE EXPERTISE IN, SO WE WILL NEED SOME CITY STAFF HELP.

AND COMMENTS. I THINK IT'S WORTH EXPLORING AND GET MORE INFORMATION.

I'M ALWAYS IN FAVOR OF, OF, OF GETTING ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MAKE AN INFORMED AND EDUCATED DECISION.

SO AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO SOLVE WORKFORCE HOUSING ISSUES HERE IN NAPLES A LOT LONGER THAN I'VE BEEN SITTING ON THIS DAIS. BUT IF THIS THIS SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD BE A POTENTIAL SOLUTION FOR SOME OF THAT.

SO YEAH, I'D LIKE TO KNOW MORE. I'M JUST LEERY OF GOVERNMENT GETTING INVOLVED IN THIS.

IF WE'RE BUYING THE LAND FOR A PARK OR GREEN SPACE, YEAH, THAT'D BE INTERESTED IN THAT PROJECT.

BUT FOR US TO SQUANDER $11 MILLION THEN TO MAKE SOME DEVELOPER RICH OFF IT.

I MEAN, WHERE IS THAT FOR THE TAXPAYER REALLY? IT MAKES NO SENSE. AND AS FAR AS AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YOU KNOW, I'M IN THIS BUSINESS.

I HAVE NOTHING BUT CONDOS. YOU CAN'T SELL THEM.

THERE'S A THERE'S LIKE THEY'RE DOWN THEIR PRICE.

DOWN WHAT THEY'RE SELLING FOR TEN YEARS AGO. THERE'S NOTHING BUT AFFORDABLE STUFF OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.

WE NEED BUYERS. YOU KNOW, THERE'S SO MUCH INVENTORY OF OF INEXPENSIVE PROPERTY RIGHT OFF THE DAVIS AREA.

I'M NOT CLOSE IN. AND I JUST THINK THIS ILLUSION THAT THAT LIKE, YOU KNOW, LIKE, LIKE THERE'S NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

IT'S JUST TOTALLY WRONG. YOU KNOW, AND PEOPLE COULD DRIVE IF PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO DRIVE A HALF HOUR, THERE'S NOTHING BUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. BUT BUT I JUST I THINK THAT'S A FALLACY.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, GIVEN WHAT WE'RE CONFRONTED WITH IN NOVEMBER AND ALL THAT AND BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS AND INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES THAT THAT ARE DATED, THAT WE THAT WE WERE TO TAKE THIS ON DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME.

I MEAN, PERSONALLY, I JUST I'M, I'M AGAINST IT UNLESS IT BENEFITED THE RESIDENTS HERE, SOME KIND OF GREEN SPACE OR SOMETHING WE NEEDED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

OR SOMETHING FOR FACILITY REASONS, BUT, BUT TO FACILITATE A LAND LIKE IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE MUCH SENSE TO ME FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT. WELL, WHAT KRAMER AND BARTON SAID, I AGREE WITH I THINK WE SHOULD EXPLORE IT.

AND WHAT YOU SAID I REALLY AGREE WITH, BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS AN INITIATIVE THAT I HAVE SEEN THE COUNTY PUT FORWARD IN THE COUNTY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

SO WITH THAT GREEN SPACE. I'M ALL ABOUT EXPLORING IT FOR FACILITY NEEDS THAT WE HAVE FOR THE FUTURE. THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION.

I THINK THAT WE COULD EXPLORE THAT WITH. SO SCHULTZ SORT OF AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN KRULL.

WHEN GOVERNMENT GETS INVOLVED IN THINGS, INVARIABLY IT DOESN'T END WELL, JUST HISTORICALLY NOTHING AGAINST THE PEOPLE HERE BUT EXPLORE IT.

SURE. LET'S TAKE A PEEK AT IT. BUT I THEORETICALLY JUST NO, I DON'T SEE THE DOG HAVING ANY LEGS.

ALL RIGHT. WE'LL WORK ON THE 90 DAY INVESTIGATION PERIOD AND SEE WHAT OPTIONS WE MIGHT HAVE AND WHAT USES WE MIGHT HAVE FOR IT. GREAT. SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO HAVE VISION.

SOMETIMES IT WORKS, SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

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YEAH. CREATIVITY. MR. DICKMAN, I HAD YOU ON MY LIST TO GO BEFORE CORRESPONDENCE, SIR.

AND PUBLIC COMMENT. THANKS. YOU HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT? YEP. I'LL DO THIS REALLY QUICKLY, IF YOU HAVEN'T NOTICED ALREADY. MATTHEW'S NOT HERE. HE'S OUT SICK, AND I'M GOING TO DO THIS IN AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION.

HE HAD ALREADY ANNOUNCED THE EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR WEDNESDAY.

BUT IN THE EVENT THAT HE IS STILL SICK ON WEDNESDAY, I WANT TO ADD MY NAME TO THAT ANNOUNCEMENT BECAUSE MY NAME WASN'T IN THE LIST OF ATTORNEYS THAT WOULD BE THERE. SO I'M GOING TO READ THIS AMENDED ANNOUNCEMENT AND PUT IT IN THE RECORD PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTE.

THE CITY ATTORNEY IS ANNOUNCING HIS AMENDED REQUEST FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC FOR THE PURPOSE OF SEEKING ADVICE CONCERNING SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATIONS OR STRATEGY RELATED TO LITIGATION EXPENDITURES ASSOCIATED WITH THE LITIGATION STYLED CITY OF NAPLES VERSUS CITY OF NAPLES AIRPORT AT ALL.

CASE NUMBER 2026CA001090 IN COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA.

ON SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2026, AT APPROXIMATELY 12:30 P.M.

IN THE CITY'S CONFERENCE ROOM ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE CITY HALL, THE EXECUTIVE SESSION IS EXPECTED TO LAST APPROXIMATELY 90 MINUTES, BUT MAY END EARLIER. THE ENTIRE SESSION WILL BE RECORDED BY A CERTIFIED COURT REPORTER.

THE REPORTER SHALL RECORD TIMES OF COMMENCEMENT AND TERMINATION OF THE SESSION.

ALL DISCUSSION PROCEEDINGS. THE NAMES OF ALL PERSONS PRESENT AT THE TIME OF THE NAMES OF ALL PERSONS SPEAKING.

NO PORTION OF THE SESSION WILL BE OFF THE RECORD, THE COURT REPORTERS NOTES SHALL BE FULLY TRANSCRIBED AND FILED WITH THE CLERK OF THE COURT WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME AFTER THE MEETING, THE CITY COUNCIL WILL NOT TAKE ACTION DURING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT MAY TAKE ACTION CONCERNING SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATIONS AND STRATEGY RELATED TO LITIGATION AT A FUTURE PUBLIC MEETING.

THE FOLLOWING INDIVIDUALS WILL BE PRESENT DURING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.

MAYOR HEITMAN, COUNCIL MEMBER. CRAMER. COUNCIL MEMBER.

PENNIMAN. COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. COUNCIL MEMBER. BLANKENSHIP.

VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP. EXCUSE ME. COUNCIL MEMBER. CROWELL. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ, CITY MANAGER GARY YOUNG CITY ATTORNEY MATTHEW MCCONNELL AND ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY ANDREW DICKMAN AND A REPRESENTATIVE FROM DINES COURT REPORTING.

THANK YOU. DID THAT AS FAST AS I COULD. YES, VERY WELL DONE.

THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GREATER GOOD? OKAY, MR. YOUNG. NOTHING FROM ME, MAYOR. OKAY.

AND I HAVE NOTHING. SO WITH THAT, AN EXCELLENT WORKSHOP, AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.