[00:00:16] COUNCIL MEMBER COUNCIL MEMBER HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER HERE. [1) CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL] COUNCIL MEMBER. SHE'LL BE HERE, BUT SHE'LL BE A LITTLE LATE. HERE. HERE. I HERE. THANK YOU. TODAY WE ARE [2) INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] GRATEFUL TO HAVE JUSTIN HARRIS FROM FAITH BIBLE CHURCH THAT WILL LEAD US IN THE INVOCATION AND FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. GOOD MORNING. GREAT FATHER IN HEAVEN, WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR YOUR KINDNESS TO US. YOUR MANY GIFTS THAT WE'VE ALREADY ENJOYED THIS DAY. I THANK YOU FOR GOVERNMENT AND YOUR RULE THROUGH IT. I THANK YOU FOR THIS COUNCIL PRAY THAT YOU WOULD BLESS THEM TODAY AND GIVE THEM WISDOM. GIVE THEM INSIGHT. AND I PRAY THAT THE MEETING TODAY WOULD BE PRODUCTIVE AND HONOR YOU AND ITS INTENTIONS AND OUTCOMES. AND WE'LL LEAVE IT ALL IN YOUR HANDS. IN JESUS NAME. AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU. IF YOU JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, MR. YOUNG. SETTING THE AGENDA. [3) SET AGENDA (add or remove items)] A REMINDER THAT WE HAVE AN 11 A.M. TIME. CERTAIN IT'S AGENDA ITEM 13 A, WHICH IS A DISCUSSION OF THE DICKMAN LAW FIRM MEMORANDUM RELATED TO THE MUNICIPAL AIRPORT POLICIES IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, I WANT TO CONTINUE ITEM SEVEN G AND SEVEN H FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA. HOPEFULLY THEY'LL BE BACK BEFORE YOU ON SEPTEMBER 16TH. THERE WAS JUST SOME BACK AND FORTH A LITTLE BIT ON THE AGREEMENT AND IT DIDN'T END UP GETTING SIGNED. SO WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO YOU ON THE 16TH, SEVEN G, SEVEN G, AND SEVEN H, MA'AM. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. ANY CHANGES? NO. DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA AS PUBLISHED WITH THE CHANGES JUST MENTIONED BY OUR CITY MANAGER SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY VICE MAYOR AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CRAMER. ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNED BY I. AYE. OPPOSED? THANK YOU. COUNCIL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. SO WE ARE AT THE POINT IN OUR AGENDA WHERE WE HAVE ANNOUNCEMENTS AND PRESENTATIONS. I WANT TO START OFF TODAY RECOGNIZING ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES BECAUSE WE ARE VERY BLESSED TO HAVE INCREDIBLE STAFF. I WILL, AS YOU KNOW, I'M VERY, VERY FOND OF THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES. THIS YEAR I WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND AND SANDRA WENT SANDRA FAZZINO WENT ON OUR BEHALF. AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF OUR YOUTH COUNCIL AND HOW WE'LL MOVE FORWARD THIS YEAR WITH THE YOUTH COUNCIL. BUT I REALLY WANT TO RECOGNIZE CHRISTINA MAJEWSKI. CHRISTINA HAS. WAS SELECTED AS A RECIPIENT OF THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES COMPETITIVE PUBLIC SERVICE PATHWAYS SCHOLARSHIP. AND SHE'S NOT VERY HAPPY THAT SHE'S BEING RECOGNIZED. BUT SOMETIMES WHEN YOU DO LEAD, YOU DO NEED TO BE RECOGNIZED. SHE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO OBTAIN TWO SCHOLARSHIPS AND THE CITY OF NAPLES. I'M SO HAPPY THAT WE HAVE A PROGRAM WHERE IF YOU ARE A STAFF MEMBER AND YOU WANT TO INCREASE YOUR FURTHER YOUR EDUCATION, WE WILL HELP YOU AND SUPPORT THAT. WHICH IS WHAT CHRISTINA DID, BUT SHE DIDN'T USE THE CITY MONEY. SHE ACTUALLY GOT SCHOLARSHIPS FROM THE MANAGERS ASSOCIATION, THE STATE, AND ALSO FROM THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES. IT'S A VERY COMPETITIVE APPLICATION PROCESS WITH TRANSCRIPTS AND RESUMES AND LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION. AND IT'S A MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENT COURSE. SO THE FINALISTS WERE INTERVIEWED AND SHE HAPPENED TO [00:05:05] BE IN SWITZERLAND AND MADE THE EFFORT WHILE IN A TRAIN STATION TO TAKE THAT INTERVIEW. SO THAT'S TENACITY, RIGHT? SO I WANT TO REALLY WANT TO RECOGNIZE HER FOR HER PUBLIC SERVICE, BUT SHE IS THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG. YEAH. THANK YOU. FOR FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO DON'T KNOW, CHRISTINA WORKS IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, AND SHE KEEPS THE AGENDA MOVING, KEEPS ALL THE DIRECTORS MOVING ON AGENDA ITEMS. AND THERE SHE IS, THE CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONAL. YES. WHERE IS SHE? OH, CHRISTINA. SHE'S GOING TO STAY THERE. SHE. MAYBE. MAYBE WE CAN. SHE'LL GRACE US FOR A PICTURE OR SOMETHING. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE IMPORTANT PART IS CHRISTINA IS JUST A PHENOMENAL EMPLOYEE AND WE HAVE A LOT OF PHENOMENAL EMPLOYEES. AND SO I WOULD FEEL REMISS ALSO, WHILE THANKING HER FOR WHAT SHE DOES FOR ME EVERY SINGLE DAY. AND WHAT SHE DOES FOR YOU EVERY DAY TO GET THIS AGENDA PUT FORWARD. SHE'S A BLESSING TO HAVE IN MY DEPARTMENT WORKING WITH ME AND FOR ME AND CERTAINLY FOR THIS CITY. BUT I DO WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO ALSO SAY WE, WE, WE'RE GETTING YOUNGER AND WE'RE GETTING YOUNGER WITH PURPOSE AND SOME VERY HIGH QUALITY PEOPLE THAT WE'VE HIRED IN THE MOST, YOU KNOW, LAST YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS BECAUSE CHRISTINA WAS, EXCUSE ME, WAS NOT MY HIRE. BUT WHAT A BLESSING SHE'S BEEN TO THE CITY. SO PLEASE UNDERSTAND THAT SHE LEADS THE WAY FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE WITH A, WITH A GROUP OF YOUNG PEOPLE THAT HOPEFULLY WILL TAKE THE REINS HERE SOMEDAY. AND I THINK SHE'S THAT KIND OF LEADER AND HER GETTING THE SCHOLARSHIPS TO, TO GO FOR HER MASTER'S DEGREE. SHE SHOULD BE HONORED BY BY WHAT SHE ACHIEVED. AND I JUST WANT TO THANK HER FOR EVERYTHING SHE DOES EVERY DAY. SO THANK YOU. WITH THAT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG. AND THANK YOU, CHRISTINA. WITH THAT, WE ARE MOVING ON TO DO THE RIGHT THING PRESENTATION. [4.A) Do the Right Thing Presentation.] AND YOU KNOW, HOW MANY YEARS ARE WE WITH DO THE RIGHT THING, MASTER OFFICER SEAN PHILLIPS. THANK YOU. I KNOW YOU REMINDED ME OF THAT, I APPRECIATE THAT. GOOD MORNING SIR. GOOD MORNING. I AM CORPORAL SEAN PHILLIPS, THE CITY OF NAPLES POLICE DEPARTMENT, COMMUNITY POLICING DIVISION. I'D LIKE TO KICK OFF THIS YEAR WITH SOME GRATITUDE FOR OUR CHIEF OF POLICE, CIERRA DOMINGUEZ. CHIEF, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO CONTINUE THIS PROGRAM AND YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT OF IT. WE APPRECIATE YOU. EVERYTHING YOU SEE HERE THAT IS GIVEN TO OUR RECIPIENTS IS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE GENEROSITY OF OUR SPONSORS. I'D LIKE TO BRING UP OUR SPONSOR OF THE MONTH, MR. ROB GUERCIO OF THE SLICE SHOPPE. ROB. SO AS MY TIME IS IN NEW YORK CITY, POLICE OFFICER ASSIGNED TO BROOKLYN. I BECAME AN EXPERT IN A LOT OF THINGS. ONE OF THEM WAS PIZZA. AND I'M GOING TO LET YOU KNOW THE SLICE SHOP HITS THE SPOT EVERY TIME. ROB, THANK YOU FOR THE SUPPORT OF OUR PROGRAM. WHAT HE'S PROVIDED IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR EACH OF OUR RECIPIENTS TO TAKE THEIR FAMILIES OUT TO DINNER AT THE SLICE SHOP. ROB. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. YOU'RE WELCOME. WE THANK YOU AND FOR YOUR PIZZA. THANK YOU. ROB. OUR FIRST TWO RECIPIENTS AT THE TIME OF THE SUBMISSION, THEY WENT TO LAKE PARK ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. ONE HAS MOVED ON TO GULFVIEW MIDDLE. BUT CAN WE HAVE MIA AND ALICE DEANGELIS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ME AND ALICE ARE NOMINATED FOR THEIR SELFLESS DEDICATION DURING THEIR SCHOOL BREAK. INSTEAD OF TRADITIONAL VACATION ACTIVITIES, THEY CHOSE TO FOCUS THEIR ENTIRE TIME ON FOSTERING A SHELTER DOG NAMED CORTADO FROM THE COLLIER COUNTY DOMESTIC ANIMAL SERVICES. ME AND ALICE TOOK FULL RESPONSIBILITY FOR CORTADO DAILY CARE, PROVIDING HIM WITH MUCH NEEDED EXERCISE, SOCIALIZATION, AND PEACEFUL ENVIRONMENT AWAY FROM THE SHELTER. THEY WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND TO PROVIDE A DETAILED REPORT DOCUMENTING THAT CORTADO IS HOUSEBROKEN, GENTLE WITH CHILDREN, AND EASY TO WALK. INFORMATION IS VITAL FOR HIS FUTURE ADOPTION. BY GIVING CORTADO THIS STAYCATION, THEY SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE HIS CHANCES OF FINDING HIS FOREVER HOME. THEIR CHOICE TO PRIORITIZE THE WELL-BEING OF A VULNERABLE ANIMAL OVER THEIR OWN LEISURE TIME EMBODIES THE SPIRIT OF DOING THE RIGHT THING. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. WAY TO GO. SO THOSE ARE THE FUTURE LEADERS WITH LEADING WITH COMPASSION. [00:10:04] SO THANK YOU. YES, MAYOR. NEXT UP FROM THE COMMUNITY SCHOOL OF NAPLES. COLIN. YOU'RE READY. FOR COLLEGE PRESENTATION, I'D LIKE TO DIRECT YOUR ATTENTION TO THE VIDEO BOARDS. HI, GUYS. MY NAME IS CONRAD. I'M A 17 YEAR OLD HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT ATHLETE AT THE COMMUNITY SCHOOL OF NAPLES HERE IN NAPLES, FLORIDA. I'M AN HONOR ROLL STUDENT AND AN OFFENSIVE LINEMAN FOR A FOOTBALL TEAM. IN DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR, I'LL BECOME ONE OF THE FIRST STUDENTS FROM MY SCHOOL TO EARLY GRADUATE. MY DEDICATION TO THE GAME OF FOOTBALL AS WELL AS A TON OF BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS HAVE EARNED ME A FULL RIDE TO PLAY FOOTBALL FOR THE UNIVERSITY OF PITTSBURGH, WHICH I'M SO BLESSED AND THANKFUL FOR. SO IN JANUARY OF NEXT YEAR, I'LL BEGIN MY JOURNEY AS A PITTSBURGH PANTHER. ALL MY TEAMMATES AND FRIENDS ONLY KNOW ME AS A GUY I AM TODAY. WHAT THEY DON'T KNOW IS THAT I HAD A VERY, VERY DIFFERENT CHILDHOOD THAN THEIRS. THEY'LL PROBABLY BE SHOCKED TO FIND OUT THAT AS A CHILD, I LITERALLY COULD NOT SPEAK. GO GO GO. UP UP. GOOD JOB. WHEN I WAS 18 MONTHS OLD, MY PARENTS NOTICED THAT I DID NOT HAVE ANY WORDS LIKE OTHER CHILDREN AT THAT AGE. MY DOCTOR SUGGESTED GETTING ME EVALUATED. AT THAT TIME, WE LIVED IN PITTSBURGH, WHICH IS WHERE I WAS BORN AND RAISED. BY THE TIME I WAS TWO YEARS OLD, I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH SOMETHING CALLED CHILDHOOD APRAXIA OF SPEECH. IN MY CASE WAS VERY, VERY SEVERE CHILDHOOD APRAXIA OF SPEECH OR SPEECH APRAXIA, AS IT'S TYPICALLY CALLED, IS A MOTOR SPEECH DISORDER WHERE THE BRAIN TRIES TO COORDINATE THE MOVEMENTS THAT YOUR MOUTH NEEDS TO FORM WORDS FOR SPEECH. BASICALLY, YOU CAN HEAR YOU UNDERSTAND LANGUAGE. YOU DON'T HAVE ANY KIND OF ISSUES YOU WANT TO SPEAK, BUT THE MOTOR PLANNING SIGNALS FROM YOUR BRAIN TO YOUR MOUTH MUSCLES ARE OUT OF WHACK. SINCE I'M THE OLDEST OF FOUR CHILDREN, MY PARENTS ARE COMPLETELY LOST AS TO HOW TO HELP ME. THEY HAD NEVER HEARD THE WORD OF PRACTICE BEFORE. THANKFULLY, THEY GOT CONNECTED WITH THE WONDERFUL ORGANIZATION CALLED APRAXIA KIDS, WHICH HAPPENS TO BE HEADQUARTERED IN PITTSBURGH. APRAXIA KIDS IS A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT PROVIDES EDUCATION, RESOURCES, SUPPORT, AND AID TO AFFECTED FAMILIES, NOT JUST HERE IN THE US, BUT AROUND THE WORLD. WITH THE HELP OF A PRACTICING KIDS, MY FAMILY IS ABLE TO NAVIGATE THE VERY LONG ROAD OF HELPING ME GET SUPPORT AND INTENSIVE SPEECH THERAPY, WHICH I DID FOR ALMOST TEN YEARS. THE ORGANIZATION WAS ABLE TO GUIDE MY PARENTS AND IT LITERALLY CHANGED THE COURSE OF MY LIFE. THAT'S WHY I WANT TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN TO SUPPORT THEM. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT KIDS THAT START OUT LIKE ME HAVE THE RESOURCES AND SUPPORT THEY NEED, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, I WANT THEM TO HAVE HOPE. I'VE ORGANIZED A FUNDRAISING INITIATIVE FOR PRACTICING KIDS THAT COMBINES MY GRATITUDE, THE ORGANIZATION WITH MY PASSION FOOTBALL FOR THE UPCOMING SEASON. MY TEAMMATES AND I ARE LOOKING FOR SPONSORS TO DONATE A DOLLAR AMOUNT FOR EVERY PANCAKE THAT OUR TEAM MAKES OVER THE COURSE OF THE SEASON. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO AREN'T FOOTBALL FANS, A PANCAKE IS WHEN AN OFFENSIVE PLAYER OR A DEFENSIVE PLAYER TO THE GROUND JUST LIKE A PANCAKE. I'M CALLING THIS EFFORT PANCAKES FOR APRAXIA. THE APRAXIA KIDS WEBSITE HAS A LINK WITH MORE INFORMATION AND SPONSORSHIP OPPORTUNITIES. EVERY DOLLAR COUNTS, AND 100% OF THE MONEY RAISED GOES DIRECTLY TO APRAXIA KIDS. LET'S WORK TOGETHER TO RAISE AWARENESS AND FUNDING FOR PRACTICING KIDS. I PLAN ON STACKING PANCAKES NEXT SEASON, SO LET'S GO. FIRST OFF, I'D LIKE TO THANK COACH PHILLIPS FOR NOMINATING ME FOR THIS VERY PRESTIGIOUS AWARD. I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK MY COACHES AND MY TEAMMATES FOR SUPPORTING ME THROUGH THIS. HOPEFULLY THEY'RE IN CLASS RIGHT NOW LEARNING. SO AND I ALSO LIKE TO THANK MY PARENTS FOR BEING HERE TODAY. THEY SUPPORT ME THROUGH EVERYTHING I DO. I LOVE THEM A LOT. AND I'M REALLY LUCKY TO HAVE A FAMILY LIKE THEM. I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK THE MAYOR, THE CITY COUNCIL, AND COACH BILL KRAMER. I PUT ASIDE COACH BILL KRAMER BECAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY IN THE FOOTBALL COMMUNITY RESPECTS HIM AS A MAN AND AS A COACH. AND I ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO WEAR AWARENESS AND MONEY FOR KIDS WITH SPEECH APRAXIA. AND I'M VERY PROUD TO SAY THAT WE'VE RAISED OVER $10,000 FOR MY INITIATIVE. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP RAISING MONEY. THANK YOU. GREAT JOB COLIN. GOD BLESS YOU. THANK YOU. SO FOR OUR CLOSING, I'D LIKE TO BRING UP OUR CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD, MR. PATRICK O'CONNOR. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. THANK YOU, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL FOR ALLOWING THEM TO DO THE RIGHT THING PROGRAM THIS MORNING. AS MENTIONED PRIOR, THIS IS HOW I'M SO PROUD OF. [00:15:01] THIS IS OUR 14TH YEAR OF THE DO THE RIGHT THING PROGRAM THIS MONTH. AND WE'VE RECOGNIZED OVER 275 YOUNG ADULTS IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING. AND THIS MORNING, WE RECOGNIZED THREE ADDITIONAL YOUNG ADULTS FOR THEIR POSITIVE CONTRIBUTION TO OUR COMMUNITY. COLIN WITH THE VIDEO, WHAT'S VERY WELL DONE VIDEO WAS GREAT. I JUST THINK IT'S GREAT YOU'RE TAKING ON THE CHALLENGE OF THE FUNDRAISING PANCAKES FOR PAXIL. THAT'S PRETTY COOL. BRINGING AWARENESS AND FUNDING FOR IT AND ME AND ALICE, AS YOUR MOM SAID, YOUR CHOICE TO PRIORITIZE THE WELL-BEING OF VULNERABLE ANIMALS OVER YOUR OWN LEISURE TIME SPEAKS VOLUME OF YOUR KINDNESS. PRETTY AMAZING AT YOUR AGE. YOU CAN SEE THAT. AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING THIS PROGRAM. I'M JUST VERY PROUD OF THE PROGRAM, VERY PROUD OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND NAPLES IS JUST A GREAT PLACE. THANK YOU AND HAVE A GREAT DAY. THANK YOU. AND WITHOUT YOUR LEADERSHIP, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT. SO THANK YOU. MAYOR, CAN WE BRING OUR RECIPIENTS UP? WE WOULD BE DELIGHTED. THANK YOU. KICK IT OVER. GREAT JOB BRO. IT TAKES UP LIKE THREE BODIES WITH. OH, HERE YOU GUYS NEED TO COME IN AND AND VERY OFF CENTER A LITTLE. CAN I HAVE OUR COUNCILMAN? I FEEL SO SAFE BEHIND COLIN. THANK YOU. SHUFFLE THIS ONE. GOOD JOB, GUYS. YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE THE DAY OFF. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO. PARENTS. SO THANK YOU FOR DO THE RIGHT THING. NOW WE'LL MOVE TO NAPLES COMMUNITY HOSPITAL. [4.B) Update from Naples Comprehensive Health (NCH) President and CEO, Mr. Paul Hiltz.] WE HAVE THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF NAPLES COMPREHENSIVE HEALTH. PAUL HILTZ WITH US TODAY. THANK YOU, SIR, FOR BEING HERE. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. I'D LIKE TO START WITH A QUICK LITTLE STORY OF 140 YEARS AGO OF A MIDWESTERN TOWN THAT WAS HIT BY A VERY SEVERE TORNADO. HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE WERE KILLED OR INJURED, AND THE TOWN HAD NO HOSPITAL. SO ONE WOMAN, SISTER MARY MOSES, SURVEYED THE DAMAGE AND INSTRUCTED HER FELLOW SISTERS TO TAKE OVER AN OLD DANCE HALL, BRING THE WOUNDED TO THE DANCE HALL AND SUMMONED THE TOWN'S DOCTOR MET WITH THE DOCTOR AND SAID, WE'LL BE THE NURSES. YOU TAKE CARE OF THE PATIENTS. WHEN THE FINAL PATIENT WAS DISCHARGED FROM THAT DANCE HALL, SISTER MARY SAID TO THE DOCTOR, IF YOU WILL BE THE DOCTOR, I'LL RAISE THE MONEY AND BUILD THE HOSPITAL. AND AT THAT TIME IT WAS A $40,000 IMMENSE AMOUNT OF MONEY. SO DOCTOR MAYO AGREED TO DO THAT. AND 140 YEARS LATER, THAT LITTLE THING TURNED INTO THE MAYO CLINIC, WHICH IS NOW THE NUMBER ONE HOSPITAL IN THE WORLD AND TREATS OVER A MILLION PATIENTS. SO WHY DO I BRING THAT UP? I'M NOT SAYING THAT NCH IS THE MAYO CLINIC, BUT THERE ARE SOME PARALLELS HERE. [00:20:07] WHAT STARTED WITH A BRIEF LITTLE $40,000 FUND RAISER TURNED INTO THE WORLD'S LEADING ORGANIZATION. AND HERE, 70 YEARS AFTER THAT HAPPENED, A SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE HERE IN NAPLES RAISED MONEY FOR NAPLES COMMUNITY HOSPITAL, A ONE STORY SMALL BUILDING WHICH HAS NOW TURNED INTO $1 BILLION HEALTH CARE SYSTEM AND A TOP 50 IN AMERICA. AND I'LL GO INTO A COUPLE OF THE OTHER ACCOLADES. SO MAYO HAS A 70 YEAR HEAD START ON US, BUT WE'RE WORKING AS HARD AS WE CAN TO CATCH UP, AND I THINK WE'RE ON OUR WAY. SO A QUICK THING, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN HAVE A HARD TIME KEEPING UP WITH WHAT IS GOING ON WITH NAPLES COMMUNITY HOSPITAL, WHICH IS NOW NAPLES COMPREHENSIVE HEALTH. WE'VE CHANGED THE NAME BECAUSE WE'VE CHANGED AS A AS AN ORGANIZATION IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS, WE'VE DOUBLED FROM $600 MILLION IN NET REVENUE TO 1.2 BILLION. WE'VE BECOME THE BUSIEST SINGLE OPEN HEART SURGERY PROGRAM IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. WE'RE NUMBER ONE IN THE STATE FOR ACUTE HEART ATTACK MORTALITY. IN AN EMERGENCY, WE'RE NUMBER 12 IN THE COUNTRY WILL DO 15,000 SURGERIES. WE'VE GOT THREE HOSPITALS, CLOSE TO 4000 BABIES DELIVERED. AND WHAT I'M REALLY HERE TO UPDATE YOU ON IS THE CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS THE LARGEST SINGLE PRIVATE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT IN THE HISTORY OF NAPLES AND IN THE HISTORY OF COLLIER COUNTY. IT'S THE BIGGEST THAT'S BEEN AROUND. SO LOTS HAVE HAPPENED. AND I WANT TO START WITH THIS VERY IMPORTANT SLIDE HERE. WE ARE A NONPROFIT, PRIVATELY GOVERNED, LOCALLY GOVERNED HEALTHCARE ORGANIZATION. BUT BY FAR AND AWAY WE DO MORE CHARITY CARE THAN ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION IN COLLIER COUNTY EVER HAS. SO WE DO $70 MILLION OF FREE AND DISCOUNTED UNCOMPENSATED CARE, INCLUDING COMMUNITY BENEFIT FOR THIS COMMUNITY EVERY YEAR. AND I BRING THAT UP BECAUSE WE TAKE THAT OBLIGATION VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY. THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS FUNDED BY PRIVATE DONATIONS AND SOME DEBT ULTIMATELY TO BE COVERED BY PRIVATE DONATIONS. BUT NO PUBLIC FUNDS. NO CITY FUNDS ARE GOING INTO THE PROJECT. NO TAXES TO THE TO THE CITIZENS. AND I BRING THIS UP TOO, BECAUSE IT'S UNDOUBTEDLY, UNDOUBTEDLY OTHER HEALTH CARE ORGANIZATIONS ARE GOING TO BE TRYING TO COME INTO COLLIER COUNTY BASED ON OUR SUCCESS. AND I WOULD JUST ASK YOU TO KEEP IN MIND, AS THESE ORGANIZATIONS COME IN, IT'S AN IMPORTANT QUESTION TO FIND OUT. ARE THEY GOING TO BE DOING THEIR SHARE, THEIR SHARE OF CHARITY CARE, OR ARE THEY INTERESTED IN JUST TAKING THE MOST PROFITABLE CARE AND TAKING IT FROM COLLIER COUNTY OUTSIDE THE COUNTY? BECAUSE AS WE'VE INVESTED IN MORE PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE ARE STAYING HERE FOR CARE, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY ATTRACTING PATIENTS FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER FROM LEE COUNTY. SO THE THE QUALITY MESSAGE AND THE BREADTH OF SERVICES IS CATCHING ON. SO LET ME TELL YOU ABOUT A COUPLE OF THINGS WE ARE WORKING ON TO BROADEN OUR FOOTPRINT HERE. WE HAVE AN INITIATIVE GOING ON IN AVE MARIA. WE'VE UPGRADED OUR SERVICES IN MARCO ISLAND. OUR NORTH CAMPUS HAS EXPANDED WITH THE ADDITION OF WHAT WE THINK IS ONE OF THE PREMIER ORTHOPEDIC SPECIALTY HOSPITALS IN AMERICA ON THE CAMPUS THERE. AND WE'VE ANNOUNCED THAT THE VAN DOMMELEN PAVILION FOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN'S PROJECT HAS STARTED THE FUNDRAISING FOR THAT. THAT WILL BE A PREMIER OPERATION FOR WOMEN AND CHILDREN. I WOULD JUST TELL YOU THAT WE DELIVER EVERY BABY, JUST ABOUT EVERY BABY DELIVERED FROM COLLIER COUNTY AND CONTINUE TO DO THAT AS OB UNITS ACROSS THE UNITED STATES ARE SHUTTING DOWN BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMICS, WE'RE GOING TO DOUBLE DOWN ON THAT AND DO EVEN MORE. WE JUST RECENTLY OPENED THE ROBOTIC SURGERY INSTITUTE HERE IN NAPLES, A CUTTING EDGE ROBOTIC SURGERY CENTER REAL CLOSE TO HERE. AND THEN THE R M SCHULTZ FAMILY HEART STROKE AND CRITICAL CARE CENTER, WHICH I'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT IF YOU'VE BEEN BY THERE. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. THE BUILDING RIGHT NOW IS AT ITS MAXIMUM HEIGHT. THE TOPPING OFF CEREMONY HAPPENED LAST MONTH. WE THINK IT'S A BEAUTIFUL BUILDING. WE DON'T THINK IT'S OBSTRUCTING THE VIEWS OF CITIZENS. WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO BE VERY GOOD NEIGHBORS. AS THAT'S GONE UP, YOU CAN SEE THAT THE PARKING GARAGE IS FULLY CONSTRUCTED. IT WILL BE OPEN FOR PARKING IN ABOUT 60 DAYS, WHICH IS A VERY QUICK THE BUILDING ITSELF WILL BE FINISHED IN ABOUT ONE YEAR. IT WILL BE ON TIME AND ON BUDGET, AND WE BELIEVE IT WILL BE ONE OF THE PREMIER HEART PROGRAMS IN AMERICA. THESE ARE SOME OF THE AWARDS I JUST MENTIONED, A COUPLE WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF. WE ARE THE LARGEST EMPLOYER IN NAPLES. WE ARE A BEST IN STATE EMPLOYER NOW, A TOP 50 CARDIOVASCULAR HOSPITAL, [00:25:04] ACCORDING TO MODERN HEALTHCARE. AND WE'RE ONLY ONE OF FOUR HOSPITALS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT IS A COMPREHENSIVE THROMBECTOMY CAPABLE STROKE CENTER. SO IF YOU HAVE A STROKE IN NAPLES, YOU'RE FAR BETTER OFF THAN YOU WOULD BE IN MANY OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE. WE ALSO HAVE THE CHEST PAIN CENTER CERTIFICATION THAT WE ACHIEVED THIS YEAR, AND WE. I STARTED THIS TALKING ABOUT MAYO. ONE OF THE FOUNDATIONAL PRINCIPLES OF THE MAYO CLINIC IS A GREAT RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN NURSES AND DOCTORS. WE SUBSCRIBE TO THAT SAME THEORY. SO THE LANTERN AWARD AND THE PATHWAY TO EXCELLENCE ARE TWO DESIGNATIONS FOR OUR NURSING TEAM. THE PATHWAY TO EXCELLENCE. THERE'S ONLY ABOUT 200 ORGANIZATIONS IN THE WORLD THAT ACHIEVE THAT DESIGNATION LAST YEAR. WE REALLY WANT TO MAKE THIS A PLACE WHERE NURSES FEEL VALUED AND CAN DO GREAT WORK. AND THESE ARE SOME OF THE AWARDS THAT WOULD SAY THAT A COUPLE OF THE NEW FIRSTS THAT WE'VE HAD. WE DO. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE NEW CENTER IS ALLOWING US TO DO, AND IT'S REALLY RELEVANT TO NAPLES, IS THAT WE DO MINIMALLY INVASIVE AND OUTPATIENT CARDIAC AND VASCULAR PROCEDURES, WHICH MAKES THE THE TECHNOLOGIES AND THE TREATMENTS FAR MORE ACCESSIBLE TO PEOPLE AS THEY AGE. SOME OLDER PEOPLE WOULD NOT BE GREAT CANDIDATES FOR TRADITIONAL SURGERY, BUT THE LESS INVASIVE, CATHETER BASED OR MINIMALLY INVASIVE HEART SURGERY IS AVAILABLE TO THOSE. AND WE THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR THOSE THAT LIVE IN FLORIDA. AND THE BOTTOM LEFT THERE, WE HAVE ANNOUNCED RECENTLY, WE DID RECRUIT AS OUR CANCER DIRECTOR, THE FORMER MAYO CLINIC ONCOLOGIST, DOCTOR JAVIER MUNOZ, WHO TRAINED AT MD ANDERSON. HE WILL BE LEADING OUR ONCOLOGY SERVICES HERE. SO ANOTHER KIND OF BEST IN CLASS ADDITION TO US HERE. AND THEN AGAIN, WHAT MADE US AN ADVANCED SYSTEM? WELL, GRADUATE MEDICAL EDUCATION, FIVE YEARS AGO, WE HAD 15 RESIDENTS AND FELLOWS. THIS YEAR WE'VE GOT 80 AND IT'S GROWING. WE NOW HAVE 50 ACTIVE CLINICAL TRIALS GOING ON. WE'VE PARTNERED WITH NORTHWESTERN MEDICINE OUT OF CHICAGO. THEY WILL BE BRINGING SOME OF THEIR CLINICAL TRIALS HERE FOR CANCER. WE'VE GOT OTHER BEST IN CLASS PARTNERSHIPS, INCLUDING NICKLAUS CHILDREN'S, THE HOSPITAL FOR SPECIAL SURGERY, AND SIEMENS HEALTHINEERS, WHICH BROUGHT TO NAPLES THE FIRST IN THE COUNTRY, AI BASED CARDIAC RISK DETECTION SCANNER. SO THIS IS THE LATEST AND GREATEST TO LOOK AT DETECTING HEART DISEASE AT ITS VERY EARLIEST STAGES. THE FELLOWSHIP TRAINING IS GOING TO GO HAND IN HAND WITH THIS MEDICAL SCHOOL THAT WAS ANNOUNCED. IT'S NOT OUR MEDICAL SCHOOL. IT'S A PRIVATE MEDICAL SCHOOL. BUT WE BELIEVE THAT THAT WILL BE A BIG DEAL FOR THIS TOWN AND THIS REGION. WE'LL BE TRAINING 150 MEDICAL STUDENTS EACH YEAR. THEY WILL BE BASED PRIMARILY AROUND PRIMARY CARE, WHICH THIS COUNTRY IS IN DIRE NEED OF. WE BELIEVE THAT MORE PRIMARY CARE DOCTORS WILL LEAD TO A HEALTHIER POPULATION IN SOUTHWEST FLORIDA. IT WILL BE FOCUSED ON PREVENTION AND TREATMENT AT THE EARLIEST STAGES, AND WE BELIEVE THE COMMUNITY HERE WILL BENEFIT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS TO COME. BECAUSE OF THAT MEDICAL SCHOOL. SO WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON SOMETHING CALLED A VISION 2030. WHAT WILL WE LOOK AT AND LOOK LIKE IN 2030? WILL BE ON THAT CONTINUED PATH TO EXCELLENCE BY THAT TIME. HOPEFULLY, WE'LL BE UNDERWAY WITH THE VAN DOMMELEN WOMEN AND CHILDREN'S CENTER. THE SCHULTZ CENTER WILL BE COMPLETED. WE WILL HAVE AGAIN GROWN THE HEART SURGERY, HEART PROCEDURES AND HEART DIAGNOSTICS AGAIN FOCUSED ON PREVENTION AND FOCUSED ON OUTPATIENT, MINIMALLY INVASIVE. WE'LL LOOK AT AVE MARIA AND OTHER OUTLYING AREAS TO BRING MORE HEALTH CARE CLOSER TO WHERE PEOPLE LIVE. AND WE'LL LOOK AT INNOVATION AND DEVELOPING NEW TECHNIQUES TO DEAL WITH NOT ONLY AN AGING POPULATION HERE, BUT A GROWING AND A YOUNGER POPULATION. BECAUSE, AS I SAID, WE DO 4000 DELIVERIES. THIS IS BECOMING A VERY IMPORTANT PLACE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE, YOUNG FAMILIES, AND NCH IS HERE TO SERVE THAT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS TO COME. AND I WILL JUST CLOSE BY SAYING, WHEN WE ANNOUNCED THIS, THE BUILDING THAT WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF NOW. AND THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH US ON THAT. THAT TRIGGERED A LOT OF THINGS TO HAPPEN HERE, INCLUDING SOME OF THESE PARTNERSHIPS, SOME OF THE RECRUITMENT OF WORLD CLASS TALENT, THE MEDICAL SCHOOL, THE RESEARCH, THE INNOVATION AND PARTNERSHIPS. AND I THINK IT BODES VERY WELL FOR THIS REGION. AND I THINK THAT THE RESIDENTS WILL BENEFIT HERE FOR MANY, MANY YEARS TO COME, NOT ONLY IN THEIR HEALTH AND IN THEIR AND WELLNESS AND THEIR HEALTH SPAN, LIVING LONGER, HEALTHIER AND HAPPIER LIVES. BUT OTHER ECONOMIC BENEFITS. WE ARE A $1 BILLION ECONOMIC ENGINE TO THE REGION, THE BIGGEST IN THE REGION. [00:30:07] AND PROPERTY VALUES. IT'S A KNOWN FACT THAT PROPERTY VALUES IN PROXIMITY TO A GREAT. HEALTH CARE SYSTEM. THE PROPERTY VALUES INCREASE. WE'RE DOING ALL THIS IN MIND OF BEING A VERY GOOD NEIGHBOR. AND I'D BE OPEN TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT ANY OF WHAT I JUST COVERED. THANK YOU. COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? I YOU KNOW, IT'S LIVING HERE ALMOST 40 YEARS. NAPLES COMMUNITY HOSPITAL. BUT YOU REALLY HAVE YOUR VISION, YOUR TEAM, YOUR BOARD. AND WHAT YOU'VE DONE WITH THAT VISION REALLY IS VERY COMPREHENSIVE. SO I THINK IT'S VERY FITTING THAT IT BECOME NAPLES COMPREHENSIVE HOSPITAL. AND, AND I'LL STILL SAY COMMUNITY BECAUSE WHEN I SEE AND YOU DIDN'T MENTION THEM ALL BY NAME. BUT THERE ARE SO MANY COMMUNITY LEADERS THAT HAVE CONTRIBUTED THAT HAVE SUPPORTED YOU AND YOUR TEAM AND WHERE YOU'VE TAKEN THE HOSPITAL. SO CONGRATULATIONS. WE'RE VERY PROUD TO HAVE YOU WITHIN THE CITY. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL. SO THAT WAS IT. THANK YOU. WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT PRESENTATION, YOUR RIBBON CUTTING AND YOU KNOW IT. WE FOUND THAT PATHWAY FOR YOU TO GET THERE. SO AND I HAVE TO THANK THE COMMUNITY FOR THAT BECAUSE THEY ALL WORKED VERY HARD. IT WAS A STRUGGLE THERE, BUT WE MADE IT HAPPEN. SO WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THAT PARTNERSHIP. AND AS YOU SAID, THERE'S SO MANY VOLUNTEERS, DONORS THAT HELP MAKE THIS HAPPEN. AND IT WILL BE THE CROWN JEWEL OF NAPLES, I THINK SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY CAN BE PROUD OF HERE FOR A LONG, LONG TIME. SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. WHAT A GREAT WAY TO START OFF OUR WEDNESDAY. THAT CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATIONS. LEADS US TO PUBLIC COMMENT. [5) PUBLIC COMMENTS] AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE ARE REGISTRATION FORMS IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM THAT CAN BE GIVEN TO THE CLERK. AT THIS POINT, I HAVE ONE PUBLIC SPEAKER. BOB KNIGHT. GOOD MORNING, SIR, IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD. YES. JUST TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME. I CAN TESTIFY TO YOUR PREVIOUS SPEAKER. I WAS ONE OF THESE PATIENTS. THEY DID A HELL OF A JOB. MY MY CONCERN. AND YOU ARE BOB KNIGHT. KNIGHT. OKAY. THE BEACH BEACH REFURBISHMENT WENT GREAT. I LIVE IN GULF IN VENETIAN COVE CLUB AND IT'S JUST IT'S BEAUTIFUL. HOWEVER, WITH THE GOOD COMES THE BAD. GULF SHORE BOULEVARD NORTH AS WELL AS PARK SHORE HAVE SUFFERED. SO IT'S BASICALLY A WORSE BOARD FROM, I WOULD SAY BEL AIR INTO THE VILLAGE. ARE THERE ANY PLANS TO DO REFURBISH OTHER. OTHER STREETS ARE GETTING REFURBISHED RIGHT NOW. THEY'RE BASICALLY SHORT DEAD ENDS, STUFF LIKE THAT. ARE THERE ANY PLANS IN PLACE? I WE'LL GET WE'LL HAVE THE CITY MANAGER WILL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. WE DON'T USUALLY HAVE A CONVERSATION BACK AND FORTH IN PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE TO BRING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION. YEAH, WE MOST OF THE PEOPLE WE WONDER WHAT'S HAPPENED TO OUR ROAD. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND I'LL JUST LET YOU KNOW, THIS CITY MANAGER, MR. YOUNG, HAS LISTENED TO US ABOUT THE NEEDS FOR ALL OF OUR ROADS AND INCREASED OUR BUDGET SO THAT WE CAN ADDRESS IT. SO WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT. THANK YOU SIR. NO FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT, MADAM CLERK. OKAY. [APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA] THAT TAKES US TO THE CONSENT AGENDA. COUNCIL REVIEWING CONSENT AGENDA. MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM SEVEN, G AND SEVEN H, WHICH WERE CONTINUED TO A FUTURE MEETING. THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL BY VICE MAYOR. SECOND. HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ. ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNED BY I. AYE. OPPOSED. THANK YOU. COUNCIL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ENDS THE CONSENT AGENDA. GOING. TO PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE'LL START WITH ITEM 1111 A MR. MCCONNELL. GOOD MORNING. [11.A) A Resolution Amending the Original Conditional Use Petition 24-CU5 Approved by Resolution 2024-15421, Which was Amended by Resolution 2025-15737 and Resolution 2026-15841, to Modify the Existing Site-Specific Parking Needs Analysis in Accordance with an Updated Parking Needs Analysis Statement for the Port Royal Club Located at 2900 and 2755 Gordon Drive, more Fully Described Herein; providing Findings and Conditions; providing for Scrivener’s Errors; and providing an Effective Date.] [00:35:02] YES, MAYOR. GOOD MORNING. I ACTUALLY THINK 11 A AND 11 B ARE COMPANION ITEMS BECAUSE 11 B CANNOT BE APPROVED WITHOUT ACCEPTING 11 A. SO DO YOU MIND IF I READ BOTH TITLES? THANK YOU SIR. A RESOLUTION AMENDING THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONAL USE PETITION 24-CU5 APPROVED BY RESOLUTION 2024-15421, WHICH WAS AMENDED BY RESOLUTION 2025-15737 AND RESOLUTION 2026-15841 TO MODIFY THE EXISTING SITE SPECIFIC PARKING NEEDS. ANALYSIS IN ACCORDANCE WITH AN UPDATED PARKING NEEDS ANALYSIS STATEMENT FOR THE PORT ROYAL CLUB, LOCATED AT 2920 755 GORDON DRIVE. MORE FULLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, PROVIDING FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS, PROVIDING FOR SCRIVENER'S ERRORS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. AND THEN ITEM 11 [11.B) A Resolution Determining Outdoor Dining Petition 26-OD3 Pursuant to Section 56-126 of the Code of Ordinances, City of Naples for The Port Royal Club to Add an Additional 4,370 Square Feet of Outdoor Dining to Include an Additional Eighteen (18) Tables, Seventy-Two (72) Chairs, and Twenty-Six (26) Chaise Lounges on Private Property Owned by The Port Royal Club INC., a Florida Not for Profit Corporation, Located at 2755 and 2900 Gordon Drive; More Fully Described Herein; Providing for Scrivener's Errors; Providing Findings and Conditions; and Providing an Effective Date.] B IS A RESOLUTION DETERMINING OUTDOOR DINING PETITION 26-0D3 PURSUANT TO SECTION 56-126 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. CITY OF NAPLES FOR THE PORT ROYAL CLUB TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL 4370FT² OF OUTDOOR DINING TO INCLUDE AN ADDITIONAL 18 TABLES, 72 CHAIRS AND 26 CHASE LOUNGES ON PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNED BY THE PORT ROYAL CLUB INC., A FLORIDA NOT FOR PROFIT CORPORATION LOCATED AT 2755 2900 GORDON DRIVE. MORE FULLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR SCRIVENER'S ERRORS, PROVIDING FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. SWEARING IN OF. FOR ALL THOSE INTENDING TO OFFER TESTIMONY, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND COUNCIL DISCLOSURES, COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ. PARDON? THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE. NO CONTACT REGARDING THESE PETITIONS. THANK YOU. AND KRAMER FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE? I DID TALK TO STAFF ABOUT THIS TO GET BACKGROUND. THANK YOU. BURTON. FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE HAVE NOT HAD ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS IN REFERENCE TO THESE TWO PETITIONS. FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE? NO DISCUSSIONS. THANK YOU. AND COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN. WE ARE. PERFECT. AND I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE AND HAVE HAD NO CONTACT WITH THAT. WE'LL GO TO THE PETITIONERS AGENT. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. MAYOR. VICE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS CLAY BROOKER WITH THE LAW FIRM OF CHAFEE PASSIDOMO, 820 ONE FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH. OUR FIRM REPRESENTS THE PORT ROYAL CLUB, WHICH TWO YEARS AGO, IN AUGUST OF 2024, RECEIVED THIS CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR THE REBUILD OF ITS CLUBHOUSE AFTER ITS DESTRUCTION ON SEPTEMBER 28TH, 2022, BY HURRICANE IAN. THE RECONSTRUCTION OF THE CLUBHOUSE IS WELL UNDERWAY. WITH ME TODAY IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE CLUB, NANCY CARLSON, THE CLUB'S GENERAL MANAGER, AUGUSTO FRANCISCO. TIM MCCARTHY FROM THE HART HOWERTON ARCHITECTURAL FIRM, AND NORM TREBILCOCK, TRAFFIC AND PARKING ENGINEER. SINCE THE ORIGINAL 2024 APPROVAL, THE SITE PLAN HAS BEEN TWEAKED A COUPLE OF TIMES, AND EACH TIME CITY COUNCIL UPDATED THIS 2024 RESOLUTION. SUCH UPDATES ARE NECESSARY BECAUSE THE RESOLUTION EXPRESSLY REFERENCES DATED PLANS UPON WHICH THE APPROVAL IS BASED. ON THE SAME DAY THAT COUNCIL APPROVED THIS RESOLUTION. IT ALSO APPROVED CERTAIN SPACES IN THE BACK OF THE CLUBHOUSE FOR OUTDOOR DINING. SINCE THEN, DETAILED LOGISTICS, PLANNING AND OPERATIONS OF THE NEW CLUBHOUSE HAVE BEEN ONGOING, AND BASED UPON CLUB MEMBER FEEDBACK, IT HAS BEEN DETERMINED THAT ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR DINING SPACE IN THE BACKYARD IS DESIRED. YOU WILL HEAR FROM TIM MCCARTHY AS TO THE DETAILS OF THAT APPLICATION FOR ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR DINING SPACE IN A MOMENT. BUT BEFORE YOU HEAR FROM TIM, WE NEED TO TEND TO THE TECHNICAL ISSUE OF THE LANGUAGE OF THE ORIGINAL 2024 CONDITIONAL USE RESOLUTION AGAIN SHOWN HERE THAT RESOLUTION EXPRESSLY APPROVED AND REFERENCES THE PARKING NEEDS ANALYSIS PREPARED BY MR. TREBILCOCK AT THE TIME. THE PARKING THE APPROVED PARKING NEEDS ANALYSIS BACK IN 2024 WAS BASED ON CERTAIN SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS OF THE CLUBHOUSE DEVELOPMENT AND BY WAY OF BY WAY OF EXAMPLE, YOU SEE HERE ADDITIONAL FAB OR ADDITIONAL FOOD AND BEVERAGE SQUARE FOOTAGE. BASED UPON HIS ANALYSIS. USING THESE SQUARE FOOTAGES, MR. TREBILCOCK CONCLUDED BACK IN 2024 THAT A MINIMUM OF 318 PARKING SPACES IS REQUIRED, SHOWN HERE IN GREEN. THE CLUB PROVIDES WELL IN EXCESS OF THAT NUMBER SINCE WE ARE REQUESTING ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR [00:40:08] DINING SPACE. AGAIN, YOU'LL HEAR THE DETAILS ABOUT THAT APPLICATION IN A MOMENT. A REEXAMINATION OF MR. TREBILCOCK PARKING CONCLUSIONS IS WARRANTED. IN THE AGENDA FOR THE OUTDOOR DINING APPLICATION IS MR. TREBILCOCK UPDATED PARKING NEEDS MEMO, PORTIONS OF WHICH ARE SHOWN HERE. THESE SQUARE FOOTAGES HAVE BEEN ADJUSTED TO ACCOUNT FOR THE REQUESTED FOR THE REQUESTED OUTDOOR ADDITIONAL DINING AREA, AND MR. TREBILCOCK CONCLUDES THAT A FEW MORE PARKING SPACES. 325, RATHER THAN 318 ARE REQUIRED. AND AGAIN, THE CLUB PROVIDES WELL IN EXCESS OF THAT NUMBER. SO IF COUNCIL IS INCLINED TO APPROVE THE ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR DINING AND MR. TREBILCOCK UPDATED PARKING ANALYSIS, THEN THIS APPLICATION TO UPDATE THE ORIGINAL 2024 CONDITIONAL USE RESOLUTION TO REFERENCE MR. TREBILCOCK UPDATED PARKING NEEDS MEMO SHOULD ALSO BE APPROVED. IF, ON THE OTHER HAND, COUNCIL IS DISINCLINED TO APPROVE THE OUTDOOR ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR DINING SPACE, THEN THIS APPLICATION TO UPDATE THE CONDITIONAL USE RESOLUTION SHOULD LIKEWISE BE DENIED. THESE TWO APPLICATIONS ARE TRULY COMPANION ITEMS. EITHER BOTH SHOULD BE APPROVED OR BOTH DENIED. THEREFORE, I SUGGEST AND RECOMMEND THAT YOU HOLD OFF ON VOTING ON THIS APPLICATION UNTIL YOU HEAR THE OUTDOOR DINING APPLICATION PRESENTATION FROM TIM IN A MOMENT. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE IN THE MEANTIME. BUT IF NOT, I'LL ASK HIM TO COME UP AND PRESENT THE OUTDOOR DINING. APPLICATION. MAKE SENSE? THANK YOU. DAVID, COULD YOU GO TO 11 B, PLEASE? OKAY. VERY GOOD MORNING TO EACH OF YOU. I FEEL LIKE IT'S SERENDIPITY. HAVING BEEN BORN AND RAISED AT THE MAYO CLINIC THAT I'M SPEAKING RIGHT AFTER THE UPDATE THAT WE JUST HAD. BUT GREAT TO SPEND TIME WITH YOU THIS MORNING. MY NAME IS TIM MCCARTHY. I'M PARTNER IN MANAGING PRINCIPAL AT HART HOWERTON IN ARCHITECTURE AND LANDSCAPE FIRM BASED IN NEW YORK. I'M A LICENSED FLORIDA ARCHITECT HAVING TESTIFIED BEFORE YOU ON PRIOR OCCASIONS. MY CV IS ALREADY ON FILE AND INCLUDED IN THIS MATTER. OKAY. SO WITH THE PREDICATE THAT THE 343 PARKING SPACES THAT ARE PROVIDED ON THE CLUB'S PROPERTY ARE IN EXCESS OF THE NEW REQUIREMENT FOR 325 DEMAND GENERATING SPACES. WE WANT TO THEN GO THROUGH WHAT IS WHAT IS AT HAND IN TERMS OF THE CHANGE, THE TRANSITION FROM THE PRIOR 2024 APPROVALS AT 318 SPACE DEMAND MAXIMUM TO NOW THE 325 SEVEN ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES. AS PART OF THE OVERALL COMPREHENSIVE ANALYSIS OF PARKING, WE LOOKED AT EACH ONE OF THE INDIVIDUAL COMPONENT PARTS OF THE PROPERTY. THE PARKING NEEDS ANALYSIS IS A TOOL AND A MECHANISM EMBODIED IN THE CODE OF NAPLES THAT ALLOWS US TO RECOGNIZE THAT NOT EACH ONE OF THESE SPACES ARE OCCUPIED AT EACH HOUR OF THE DAY, AT THE SAME FREQUENCY AND INTENSITY. IN OTHER WORDS, THE FITNESS SPACES HAVE A DIFFERENT EBB AND FLOW OVER THE COURSE OF A DAY AS COMPARED TO THE POOL, OR AS COMPARED TO THE VARIOUS RESTAURANT AND DINING FACILITIES. OUTDOOR DINING IS NO DIFFERENT. THERE ARE CERTAIN HOURS OF THE DAY WHERE OUTDOOR DINING WILL BE A DEMAND GENERATOR FOR PARKING, AND THERE ARE OTHER PARTS OF THE DAY WHERE IT'S NO LONGER THE TIME TO FOCUS ON THE USE OF THE POOL, AND THEREFORE THAT PARKING SPACE THAT'S STRIPED IN THE PARKING LOTS CAN THEN BE UTILIZED BY EVENING DINERS. AS AN EXAMPLE. IN THOSE ORIGINAL APPROVALS, WE HAD 3135FT² OF OUTDOOR DINING, AS INDICATED ON SCREEN HERE. PRIMARILY, IT WAS LOCATED IN THE BOTTOM LEFT, AND SO PORTIONS OF THAT WERE INSIDE OF THE POOL FENCE. SO LOCATIONS WHERE A DRINK CAN BE BROUGHT TO A CLUB MEMBER AS PART OF THEIR EXPERIENCE AROUND THE POOL, AND THEN IMMEDIATELY TO THE NORTH OF THAT, FURTHER AWAY FROM THE SOUTHERN NEIGHBOR FURTHER AWAY. FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE PART OF THE HEARINGS, WE TALKED HISTORICALLY ABOUT THE BERLIN WALL AT THE SOUTH END OF THE PROPERTY. SO FURTHER NORTH, AWAY FROM THAT WALL LOCATION, WE DO HAVE SOME OUTDOOR TABLES THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY ANTICIPATED. AS WE'VE BEEN WORKING THROUGH THE OPERATIONAL DETAILS, WE NOW HAVE ON SCREEN AN ADDITIONAL 4370FT² OF PROPOSED ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR [00:45:09] DINING AREA. THAT'S THE SUBJECT OF TODAY'S CONVERSATION, THE OPPORTUNITY TO INTRODUCE AN ADDITIONAL 24 CHAIRS. EXCUSE ME. YEAH, AN ADDITIONAL 72 CHAIRS COMPREHENSIVELY ACROSS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT LOCATIONS. SO YOU SEE TWO DIFFERENT YELLOW AREAS. AND SO I JUST REFERENCE THE WRONG CHART HERE FOR A SECOND. 72 CHAIRS ACROSS 18 TABLES, PLUS 26 CHAISE LOUNGE CHAIRS. AND SO THAT THAT LOCATION HERE IF YOU BEAR WITH ME. SO THE GULF IS ON THE LEFT OF THIS PARTICULAR DRAWING. AND AS WE TRANSITION, THE GULF IS NOW TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THE DRAWING. THE CLUBHOUSE IS JUST OFF TO THE TOP OF THE SCREEN. ON THIS ILLUSTRATION IN THE UPPER RIGHT, THERE'S FAINT GRAY LETTERS THAT SAY PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. SO THAT WAS A PORTION OF THE OUTDOOR DINING THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED. THE BALANCE OF THE PLAN THAT YOU SEE ILLUSTRATED HERE ON SCREEN IS WHERE WE'RE INDICATING THOSE ADDITIONAL 72 CHAIRS, 18 TABLES AND 26 CHAISE LOUNGE. ALL OF THESE TABLE AND CHAIR LOCATIONS SIT LANDWARD OR EAST OF THE SEAWALL THAT WE PREVIOUSLY TALKED ABOUT AND WAS APPROVED BY COUNCIL. SO THAT CONSTRUCTION IS NOW IN THE PROCESS OF CONCLUDING TO TO ELEVATE THAT SEAWALL AND TO REINFORCE THAT SEAWALL IN. IN ADVANCE OF OUR RESILIENCE CONSIDERATIONS. WE HAD AN OLD CLUBHOUSE FOR 70 YEARS. WE SURE WANT THIS NEW ONE TO BE HERE FOR 70 MORE. SO THAT SEAWALL HAS BEEN APPROVED. AND IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THAT SEAWALL IS WHERE WE ARE ANTICIPATING THESE INDIVIDUAL TABLES AND CHAIRS. THE BLUE THAT IS CREATING THE CHECKERBOARD PATTERN ON THE SCREEN ARE THE APPROVED ACCESS AND EGRESS AISLES THAT WE HAVE COORDINATED WITH THE FIRE MARSHAL. SO THIS PLAN HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND IT HAS BEEN APPROVED BY THE FIRE MARSHAL IN TERMS OF THE EASE OF MOVEMENT OF GURNEYS, IN THE EVENT OF NEEDING THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, OR IN THE EVENT OF EGRESS. I'VE SPOKEN NOW A LOT ABOUT THE PARKING AS WELL AS AS MR. BOOKER HAS SPOKEN ABOUT, THE PARKING ON SCREEN ARE THE VARIOUS PORTIONS THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THOSE PARKING NEEDS ANALYSIS PREVIOUSLY THE PURPLE SPACES ON THE LEFT WHERE WE ARE INDICATING OUTDOOR SEATING IN TODAY'S APPLICATION, WE'RE PURPLE ORIGINALLY, AND THEY WERE PARKED AT ONE PER 300 AS CLUB USE. SO IT WASN'T LIKE THEY'RE TOTALLY NEW. WE ALWAYS ANTICIPATED THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE SITTING OUT THERE. IT'S JUST NOW WE WANT TO BRING THEM FOOD SERVICE TO THOSE LOCATIONS. AND SO IN SO DOING, YOU SWITCH FROM 1 TO 301 SPACE FOR EVERY 300FT² TO THE CITY'S REQUIREMENT OF ONE SPACE FOR EVERY 200FT². SO THAT'S WHAT'S EMBEDDED IN THE MATH TODAY AND WHY YOU SEE THAT ACROSS 72 CHAIRS. IT'S ONLY DRIVING THIS PREMIUM OF OF SEVEN ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES. AS WE TRANSITION FROM THIS PLAN WHERE THERE'S PINK ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE THERE'S THEN A PLAN HERE THAT HAS THE YELLOW ON THE, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE. AND THAT'S REALLY THE CHANGE. YOU SEE THOSE IN THE CHART ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE NOW HIGHLIGHTED IN RED AS TO HOW THAT DROPS DOWN INTO ALL OF THE MATH THAT OUR TRAFFIC AND PARKING ENGINEER, MR. ALCOCK, HAS PROVIDED. SO WITH THAT AS CONTEXT FOR TODAY'S AGENDA ITEMS, WOULD LOVE TO OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION OR PROVIDE THE MICROPHONE FOR MR. TREBILCOCK, IF YOU'D LIKE TO DIVE INTO ANY OF THOSE RELATED MATTERS AS WELL. YES. WELL, TESTIMONY. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS NORMAN TREBILCOCK. I'M A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, PROFESSIONAL TRAFFIC OPERATIONS ENGINEER, AND CERTIFIED PLANNER. I HAVE 36 YEARS OF LOCAL EXPERIENCE, AND I'VE TESTIFIED BEFORE YOU ALL IN THE PAST AS WELL. WE HAD PREPARED THE PARKING NEEDS ANALYSIS IN 2024 FOR THE PROJECT, AND A BIG PART OF THAT ANALYSIS WAS USING LOCAL COUNTS. WE, WE LOOKED AT THE EXISTING RECREATIONAL AREA THAT, THAT CONTINUED TO BE USED. AND THEN WE LOOKED AT NEARBY CLUB ACTIVITIES TO LOOK AT WHEN THE CLUB'S PEAK DEMANDS OCCUR. SO THAT IT'S REALLY BASED ON LOCAL CONDITIONS AND, AND THAT'S REALLY WAS THE BASIS OF OUR ANALYSIS IN TERMS OF THE PARKING DEMAND [00:50:02] REQUIREMENTS. WE USE THE CITY CODE. SO AS, AS TIM HAD MENTIONED, INSTEAD OF STACKING ALL THE USES, ALL OCCURRING 100% AT THE SAME TIME, WHICH ISN'T REALISTIC FOR A FACILITY LIKE THIS. WE THEN LOOKED AT WHAT ARE THE PEAK DEMANDS OF THESE VARIOUS USES, BUT ARE, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE USING THE CITY CODE CRITERIA, BUT USING THE TIME OF DAY DEMAND BASED ON EMPIRICAL CONDITIONS, WHICH IS REALLY PRETTY DESIRABLE. AND SO THAT WAS THE BASIS OF OUR ANALYSIS. AND SO THEN IN UPDATING THIS DESIGN MEMO, THE MAIN THING WAS COMING UP WITH THE ADDITIONAL USES AND THE CHANGES, AS TIM HAD MENTIONED AS WELL. AND SO THAT WAS THE BASIS FOR PROVIDING THAT FOR YOU. BUT I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL HAVE. THE MORE OF THE DETAILED MEMO AND THE STUDY ITSELF IN THE AGENDA PACKAGE AS WELL. SO WHERE DID YOU FIND THE EXTRA PARKING SPACES? THROUGH THE TIMES OF USAGE AND EVENTS. SO THE THE ADDITIONAL PARKING, YOU MEAN THE PARKING REQUIRED OR THE PARKING AVAILABLE? NOT SURE. I'M SORRY. DO YOU MEAN THE AVAILABLE PARKING OR. BECAUSE THE ENGINEER, THE CIVIL ENGINEER ALWAYS HAD PROVIDED PARKING AND STUFF. SO THERE'S 343 PARKING SPACES AVAILABLE FOR PARKING IS WHAT THEY DERIVED. ACTUALLY, OUR TIME OF DEMAND WAS ACTUALLY LESS. LET ME SEE. I'M SORRY. THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE TIME OF DEMAND WAS ACTUALLY LESS, BUT YOUR THE CODE HAS A CRITERIA THAT THE MOST YOU CAN REDUCE IS 20% OF THE CODE. SO THAT THAT BECOMES THE, THE THE, THE BOTTOM LINE NUMBER TO USE. AND THEN WE PROVIDE A SUFFICIENTLY HIGHER AMOUNT OF PARKING ALREADY. SO THANK YOU. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU. CAN YOU JUST CONFIRM WHAT TIME OF YEAR YOU DID. THE PARKING NEEDS ANALYSIS AS OF I ASSUME IT'S THE HEIGHT OF SEASON, BUT CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT? YES, SIR. YES, SIR. GOOD POINT. IN FEBRUARY WE USED IN FEBRUARY TIME FRAME IS WHEN WE ACTUALLY DID THE STUDY ANALYSIS. YES, SIR. AND I UNDERSTAND THIS IS WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT A NORMAL DAY TO LOOK LIKE THE MOST YOU WOULD NEED. WHAT ABOUT SPECIAL EVENTS? DID YOU LOOK AT WHAT MIGHT BE LIKE, SAY, NEW YEAR'S EVE OR CHRISTMAS DAY OR, YOU KNOW, SOME SPECIAL EVENTS WHERE YOU HAVE EXTRA PEOPLE COMING? HOW DO YOU GUYS ANTICIPATE HANDLING PARKING ON THOSE DAYS WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT MORE PEOPLE COMING? OKAY. LIKE SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS, WE USE PEAK SEASON AND KIND OF PEAK EVENTS, BUT NOT, I WOULDN'T SAY LIKE SPECIAL SPECIAL EVENTS. BECAUSE THOSE, THOSE ARE SOMEWHAT UNIQUE AND THEY DO REQUIRE MORE PLANNING. WHICH IS A GOOD POINT WHERE AND THAT'S, I GUESS SOMEWHAT OF THE REMEDY IDEAS OF, OF LOOKING AT LIKE SHUTTLE EMPLOYEES SO THAT WE CAN MAXIMIZE, YOU KNOW, THE USE OF THE ON SITE PARKING FOR THE CLUB MEMBER GUESTS AS WELL. THERE, SO THOSE, THOSE WOULD REQUIRE REALLY KIND OF ADDITIONAL PLANNING FOR THOSE KIND OF EVENTS. OKAY. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT PART OF YOUR PARKING NEEDS ANALYSIS. SO IT MAY BE MORE OF A QUESTION FOR MANAGEMENT OR LEADERSHIP OF THE CLUB AS TO HOW THEY STARTED TO THINK ABOUT HOW THAT WOULD BE HANDLED SO THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ISN'T. I KNOW MOST OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL PROBABLY BE THERE, BUT TO THE EXTENT WE CAN STILL HAVE, THE ROADS AREN'T BLOCKED. WE CAN STILL HAVE EMERGENCY ACCESS DOWN GORDON DRIVE ET-CETERA BE. IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW IF YOU'VE THOUGHT THAT THROUGH AND WHAT YOUR CONTINGENCY PLAN MIGHT BE. I'LL GET STARTED AND THEN I'LL ALLOW THE CLUB'S GENERAL MANAGER TO OPINE AS WELL. THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS THAT YOU ARE HIGHLIGHTING RELATIVE TO SPECIAL EVENTS WILL BE THE SUBJECT OF A FUTURE HEARING. I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY TWO WEEKS FROM NOW. BACK WITH YOU ALL. ARE A SERIES OF APPLICATIONS FOR THOSE PEAK DEMAND GENERATORS. WHAT WE'RE FOCUSED ON TODAY IS THE USUAL CUSTOMARY BUSINESS DAYS. SO ON A TUESDAY NIGHT, WHEN EACH ONE OF THESE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUAL OUTLETS IS BEING UTILIZED WITHIN THE CLUB PROPERTY. WE HAVE SHOWN THROUGH NORM'S ANALYSIS BASED ON ACTUAL PEAK DATA FROM FEBRUARY, WHEN EVERYBODY'S DOWN HERE OVER THE COURSE OF PRESIDENT'S DAY WEEK, IS TO TAKE THAT DATA, ROLL IT INTO REAL WORLD APPLICATION, AND GENERATE THEN A TOTAL PEAK DEMAND THAT ACTUALLY WAS BELOW [00:55:04] 300 AS A NUMBER. BUT HOWEVER, THE CITY'S REDUCTION FOR A PARKING NEEDS ANALYSIS IS NOW LIMITED TO 20%. THERE WERE PRIOR PROJECTS APPROVED WITHIN THE CITY OF NAPLES, WHERE IT WAS ALMOST 50%. IF YOU ADDED UP EACH INDIVIDUAL. BUT THERE'S NOW AN ORDINANCE HERE IN NAPLES THAT ALLOWS US TO REDUCE IT ONLY BY 20% BY ADDING EACH INDIVIDUAL COMPONENT. AND SO THAT'S WHERE YOU GET TO THIS, THIS NUMBER OF, OF THREE, 25 BEING 80% OF THE 406 REQUIREMENT. IF YOU DID LINE ITEM BY LINE ITEM. PEAK USE OF PEAK USE. SO THOSE ARE EACH CONTRIBUTING FACTORS. AND THEN AS NORM HIGHLIGHTED WE THEN HAVE 343. I WOULD GO ONE STEP FURTHER TO OFFER THAT THE ORIGINAL PARKING NEEDS ANALYSIS, WHICH IS NOT INCLUDED IN TODAY'S PACKET. BECAUSE WE'RE AUGMENTING IT. WE'RE SUPPLEMENTING IT WITH THIS ADDITIONAL DATA. THE ORIGINAL PARKING NEEDS ANALYSIS BY CODE REQUIRED US TO EMBED CERTAIN REMEDIES. SO THOSE REMEDIES INCLUDE, FOR EXAMPLE, SHUTTLING IN EMPLOYEES TO REDUCE THE EMPLOYEE DEMAND ON A PARTICULAR NIGHT. RECOGNIZING THAT MANY OF THEM ARE LIVING OFF SITE AS H-2B VISA EMPLOYEES, THOSE ARE SHOWING UP IN A SHUTTLE CAPACITY RATHER THAN PARKING ON SITE ON A GIVEN EVENING. WE HAVE THE ABILITY IN THOSE EVENING EVENTS, FITNESS WON'T BE HIGHLY DEMANDED AT THAT SAME POINT IN TIME. MAYBE THERE'S PEOPLE WHO REALLY WANT TO START JANUARY 1ST OUT WITH A FITNESS WORKOUT. BUT YOU KNOW, BY AND LARGE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ACCESS TO THOSE 98 PARKING SPACES ON THE EAST SIDE OF GORDON DRIVE. THERE ARE CONDITIONS IN THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTION THAT REQUIRE US TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE ARE ZERO USE OF ON STREET PARKING DURING THOSE EVENTS. SO THAT'S PART OF THE ORIGINAL RESOLUTIONS THAT GO BACK TO 2024. SO THERE ARE CERTAIN BELT AND SUSPENDERS THINGS THAT ARE IN SOME OF THE ORIGINAL PAPERWORK. BUT BEYOND THAT, I'LL OFFER, IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT MR. FRANCISCO CAN OFFER, I'LL LET HIM. MAYBE I HEAR YOU THAT THERE'LL BE MORE DISCUSSION IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS, I GUESS. BUT MAYBE IF YOU HAVE A PREVIEW, THAT WOULD JUST BE HELPFUL TO HEAR IT. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. YES. SO FROM MY NAME IS I'M THE GENERAL MANAGER FOR THE PORT ROYAL CLUB. WE, WE HAVE THOUGHT THROUGH THE DIFFERENT SCENARIOS AND EVENTS AND THE CAPACITIES THAT WE HAVE. WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT BEFORE CONSIDERING SHADOWING SERVICES FOR THE COMMUNITY, WE WILL REACH THE MAX CAPACITY, THE MAX SEATING CAPACITY FOR THOSE EVENTS BEFORE WE REACH THE MAX CAPACITY OF THE PARKING. SO WE, WE'RE COMFORTABLE THAT BETWEEN WHAT WE HAVE ACROSS THE STREET AND WHAT WE HAVE IN THE CLUB WILL BE SUFFICIENT TO BE MORE SPECIFIC. AND YOU MENTIONED NEW YEAR'S EVE. THE ONE EVENT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE LOOK AT HISTORICAL DATA HAS THE MOST ATTENDANCE IS THANKSGIVING. SO THAT WILL BE THE LARGEST EVENT. WE, WE HAVE DIFFERENT SEATINGS AND FLOWS AND WHENEVER WE EXECUTE THAT BECAUSE AGAIN, SEATING CAPACITY, WE NEED TO SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING ELSE THAT WE HAVE AT THE CLUB. SO IN OTHER WORDS, YOU WON'T BE OPERATING THE RESTAURANTS AS YOU KNOW YOU WILL OPERATING NORMALLY. IT WILL BE JUST THAT EVENT. SO WITH THAT 343 PARKING SPACES THAT WE HAVE ON SITE ARE MORE THAN SUFFICIENT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANKS. THANK YOU. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER'S AGENT. WE'LL GO ON TO MOVE TO THE STAFF REPORT. GOOD MORNING, MADAM MAYOR. COUNCIL JEFF BRAMMER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. WE HAVE TWO REQUESTS HERE FOR THE SAME PROPERTY. THE PORT ROYAL CLUB ON GORDON DRIVE. THE FIRST REQUEST IS TO AMEND THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL GRANTING REDEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY POST HURRICANE IAN. THIS CONDITIONAL USE AMENDMENT SEEKS ONLY TO REVISE THE INITIAL PARKING NEEDS ANALYSIS GRANTED TO THE CLUB DURING THE ORIGINAL APPROVAL PROCESS IN 2024. AS YOU'VE HEARD, THE PURPOSE OF THE AMENDMENT IS TO ACCOMMODATE ADDITIONAL PARKING MADE NECESSARY BECAUSE OF NEWLY REQUESTED OUTDOOR DINING, WHICH WILL AUGMENT THE OUTDOOR DINING ALREADY APPROVED. IT DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING ELSE IN THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL FOR THE CLUB. THERE'S A THIRD ITEM FOR THE PROPERTY, WHICH WE'LL HEAR ABOUT IN A FEW MOMENTS. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. LIVE ENTERTAINMENT DOES NOT TRIGGER A NEED FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING, THEREFORE THAT PETITION WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY. A LITTLE BACKGROUND, SOME OF THIS YOU'VE HEARD. IN 2024, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A PARKING NEEDS ANALYSIS GRANTING THE CLUB A REDUCTION IN REQUIRED PARKING AT THE TIME. CONSIDERING ALL THE USES THE OFFICES, FOOD AND BEVERAGE SPACES, POOL AND LANDSCAPE AREAS, FITNESS AND RECREATION AREAS, EVERYTHING BY CODE, THE CLUB REQUIRED 397 SPACES. THE PETITIONER PROPOSED THAT REDEVELOPMENT OF THE CLUB WOULD PROVIDE 343 PARKING SPACES. [01:00:04] THIS INCLUDED 245 SPACES WEST OF GORDON ON THE BEACH SIDE AND 98 SPACES EAST OF GORDON, ADJACENT TO THE TENNIS COURTS. IN 2024, PURSUANT TO SECTION 5107, CITY COUNCIL GRANTED A 20% REDUCTION IN REQUIRED PARKING FOR THE PORT ROYAL CLUB. THIS REDUCTION DROPPED THE NUMBER OF REQUIRED SPACES FROM 397 TO 318. AGAIN, THE PETITIONER, UPON COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT, WILL BE PROVIDING 34325 MORE SPACES THAN NEEDED. GRANTED, THE 20% REDUCTION PER THE PNA AT THE TIME. FAST FORWARD TO TODAY AND BEFORE YOU AGAIN TO REQUEST A REVISED PNA, WHICH HAS BEEN MADE NECESSARY DUE TO THEIR DESIRE TO ADD ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR DINING. THE NEW OUTDOOR DINING REQUEST IS FOR APPROXIMATELY 4300FT², INCLUDING AN ADDITIONAL 18 TABLES, 72 CHAIRS AND 26 CHASE LOUNGES. THESE PLANS HAVE BEEN REVIEWED FOR LIFE LIFE SAFETY COMPLIANCE BY THE FIRE MARSHAL. AGAIN, THIS OUTDOOR DINING SPACE WILL BE IN ADDITION TO THE APPROXIMATE 3100FT² SQUARE FEET OF OUTDOOR DINING WITH THE 105 TABLES AND 380 CHAIRS, WHICH WAS ALREADY APPROVED IN 2024. NOW, THE 4300FT² OF ADDITIONAL SPACE WAS FACTORED INTO THE ORIGINAL PLAN IN 2024. IT WAS JUST FACTORED AS POOL AND RECREATION SPACE AT A DIFFERENT PARKING RATIO, ESSENTIALLY ONE SPACE PER 300FT², INSTEAD OF THE ONE SPACE PER 200FT² NOW REQUIRED FOR THE FOOD AND BEVERAGE. SO THAT CREATED A NEED FOR SEVEN ADDITIONAL SPACES FROM 318 TO 325. THEY'RE STILL PROVIDING THE SAME 343 OVERALL SPACES. THE PETITIONERS UPDATED THE PNA WITH AN ADDENDUM MEMORANDUM WITH THE NEW NUMBERS, AND THEY ARE REQUESTING THOSE AGAIN FOR A 20% REDUCTION IN REQUIRED PARKING. BOTH PETITIONS HAVE BEEN NOTICED TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN A 1000FT², OR WITHIN 1000FT. TO DATE, STAFF HAS RECEIVED NO OFFICIAL CORRESPONDENCE REGARDING THOSE REQUESTS. NOW, THE PARKING NEEDS ANALYSIS MUST BE APPROVED FOR THE OUTDOOR DINING PETITION TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR APPROVAL. SO SHOULD CITY COUNCIL CHOOSE TO APPROVE THE REQUEST TO AMEND THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONAL USE PETITION FOR THE NEW PNA STAFF DOES NOT HAVE ANY SPECIAL SPECIAL CONDITIONS FOR THAT PETITION, OTHER THAN THE LANGUAGE CAPTURED IN SECTION THREE OF THE POST APPROVAL RECITALS NOTED IN THE RESOLUTION, NAMELY, THAT THE APPROVAL IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE UPDATED PARKING NEEDS ANALYSIS STATEMENT PREPARED BY TREBILCOCK CONSULTING SOLUTIONS DATED JUNE 30TH, 2026, WHICH MODIFIES THE EXISTING PARKING NEEDS ANALYSIS ACCEPTED IN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSED APPROVAL. AS FOR THE OUTDOOR DINING STAFF HAS TWO RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS. NUMBER ONE, APPROVAL OF THE OUTDOOR DINING IS CONTINGENT UPON APPROVAL OF THE ACCOMPANYING CONDITIONAL USE PETITION AMENDMENT THREE, WHICH MODIFIES THE EXISTING SITE SPECIFIC PARKING NEEDS ANALYSIS TO ACCOMMODATE THE NEWLY PROPOSED ADDITIONAL OUTDOOR DINING SPACE. AND NUMBER TWO, OUTDOOR DINING AREA IS LIMITED TO APPROXIMATELY 4300FT², WITH A MAXIMUM OF 18 TABLES, 72 CHAIRS AND 26 CHASE LOUNGES, AS CONFIGURED IN THE APPROVED LIFE SAFETY PLAN. ANY FUTURE EXPANSION, MODIFICATION OR ENHANCEMENT OF THIS OUTDOOR DINING USE SHALL REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL REVIEW AND APPROVAL. NOW IT'S A LOT, BUT I HOPE IT'S PRETTY CLEAR THAT CONCLUDES STAFF COMMENTS AND WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COUPLE QUESTIONS. I'M GOING TO TRY TO MAKE IT REALLY SIMPLE FOR ME. THE 4300FT² WAS ALREADY ACCOUNTED FOR AND ALREADY HAD PARKING WITHOUT F AND B WITHOUT FOOD AND BEVERAGE. CORRECT? CORRECT. AND NOW THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO TAKE FOOD AND BEVERAGE TO THOSE FOLKS. CORRECT. WHICH CREATED PER CODE SOME MORE PARKING PARKING RATIO REQUIREMENT. RIGHT. BUT THEY ALREADY HAD EXCESS SPACES ANYWAY, SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE HAVING TO GO FIND SOME NEW SPACES. THEY WERE ALREADY THERE AND NOW THEY'LL BUT THEY'RE ACCOUNTED FOR NOW. CORRECT. IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. THANKS. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I FIRST ADDRESSED THE ISSUES IN REGARDS TO THE PORT ROYAL CLUB WHEN I WAS A MEMBER OF THE PAB AND HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A NICE TOUR BACK THEN QUITE SOME TIME AGO. WHILE I HAVEN'T GONE BACK AND VISITED FOR THE FORMAL OPENING OR WHATEVER THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING. BUT WHAT I WAS ABLE TO OBSERVE IS EVERYTHING BEING DONE. THERE IS FIRST CLASS AND THE MEMBERSHIP THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE LOW BROW BY ANY STRETCH. [01:05:01] SO IT'S A PRIVATE CLUB. WE SEEM TO BE ABLE TO FIND REMEDIES FOR OTHER CLUBS THAT HAVE OTHER ISSUES, BUT I STRONGLY ENCOURAGE SUPPORTING THEIR ENDEAVORS TO GET THE APPROVALS. THANK YOU. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. MR. MCCONNELL ON THE RESOLUTION THE I WOULD SAY PROCEDURALLY YOU SHOULD APPROVE 11 AYE FIRST BEFORE 11 B IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF COUNSEL. OR LET ME REPHRASE THAT. YOU SHOULD TAKE A MOTION ON 11 A FIRST BEFORE 11 B AND THE INFORMATION THAT WAS IN THE PREVIOUS RESOLUTION HAS BEEN UPDATED IN THIS RESOLUTION. WERE YOU GOING TO ADDRESS THAT, MR. BROOKER? YEAH, I WAS JUST GOING TO THANK YOU, MAYOR. I WAS JUST GOING TO CLARIFY, AND I APOLOGIZE IF I MISSED IT FROM STAFF, BUT ALL OF THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONS THAT WERE IMPOSED BACK IN 2024 REMAIN IN PLAY. WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY OF THOSE. SO JUST SO EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THE CONDITIONS, THAT LONG PROCESS WE WENT BACK THROUGH IN THE SUMMER OF 2024, WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANYTHING IN THAT REGARD. THOSE CONDITIONS STILL REMAIN IN EFFECT, EVEN IF YOU APPROVE THIS. CORRECT. CORRECT. MY MY QUESTION, THOUGH, IS, IS IT IN THIS RESOLUTION SO THAT BECAUSE THIS RESOLUTION REALLY WILL BE THE. THE UPDATED RESOLUTION. CORRECT. SO THE ONLY THING. CORRECT. SO SECTION FOUR OF THIS RESOLUTION REFERENCES THE OTHER ONE. SO I'M GOING TO TRY TO ANSWER IT LIKE THIS. HOPEFULLY THIS ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. IF THIS IS APPROVED THIS WILL BE PART OF THE OTHER THREE AS ONE PACKET. SO IF ANYONE WERE TO EVER ASK FOR THE Q P RELATED TO THE PORT ROYAL CLUB, YOU WOULD GET THE 19 CONDITIONS FROM THE FIRST ONE, ALONG WITH ALL THE AMENDMENTS, AND IT WOULD BE ONE PACKAGE. SO NOTHING'S MISSED. CORRECT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I NEEDED TO HEAR. NO PROBLEM. DO WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? NONE. OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COUNSEL FOR THE PETITIONERS AGENT, THEN. COULD I HAVE A CLOSING REMARKS, PLEASE? RESPECTFULLY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. AND WE WOULD SINCERELY REQUEST APPROVAL OF BOTH. THANK YOU. NO FURTHER DELIBERATIONS, COUNSEL. OKAY. WITH THAT, MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 11AA RESOLUTION AMENDING THE ORIGINAL CONDITIONAL USE PETITION 24-Q5 APPROVED BY RESOLUTION 2024-15421, WHICH WAS AMENDED BY RESOLUTION 2025, ONE, 5737 AND RESOLUTION 2026 15841 WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE GIVEN BY STAFF SUPPORT. THANK YOU. IMPRESSIVE. COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER MADE A MOTION AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ. MADAM CLERK. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KROLL. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER A YES. THANK YOU. COUNCIL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. ITEM 11 B. MAKE A MOTION ON THE. ALREADY. YEAH. OKAY. CAN WE INHERIT IT TOGETHER? WHILE I'M MAKING MOTIONS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 11BA RESOLUTION DETERMINING OUTDOOR DINING PETITION 26-0D3. PURSUANT TO SECTION 56-126 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. CITY OF NAPLES FOR THE PORT ROYAL CLUB TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL 43,700FT² OF OUTDOOR DINING WITH CONDITIONS THAT WERE RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHULTZ. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. YES. VICE MAYOR. BLANKENSHIP. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. DULL. YES. YES. THANK YOU. COUNCIL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. STAFF. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT UPDATE. SO NOW WE HAVE 11 C WHICH IS A LIVE ENTERTAINMENT FOR PORT ROYAL. [11.C) A Resolution Determining Live Entertainment Petition 26-LE5 Establishing Amplified Indoor and Non-Amplified Outdoor Live Entertainment Seven Days Per Week in Multiple Locations on Private Property, Pursuant to Section 56-125 of the Code of Ordinances, for The Port Royal Club Owned by Port Royal Club, Inc., a Florida Not for Profit Corporation, and Located at 2755 and 2900 Gordon Drive, More Fully Described Herein; Providing for Scrivener's Errors; Providing Findings and Conditions; and Providing an Effective Date.] SO MAY I READ THE TITLE? YES. A RESOLUTION DETERMINING LIVE ENTERTAINMENT PETITION 26-LE5 ESTABLISHING AMPLIFIED INDOOR NON AMPLIFIED OUTDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT SEVEN DAYS PER WEEK IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY PURSUANT PURSUANT TO SECTION 56-125 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR THE PORT ROYAL CLUB OWNED BY THE PORT ROYAL CLUB, INC., FLORIDA NOT FOR PROFIT CORPORATION AND LOCATED AT TWO, 755 AND 2900 GORDON DRIVE. MORE FULLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR SCRIVENER'S ERRORS, PROVIDING FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU SIR. AND WE ALL DO. WE NEED TO. YOU CAN JUST UNLESS THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL DISCLOSURES ON THIS SPECIFIC REQUEST, [01:10:02] YOU CAN JUST ADOPT YOUR DISCLOSURES INTO THIS RECORD ALONG WITH THE SWEARING IN OF THE WITNESSES. I'LL TAKE YOUR LEAD, SIR. AND WITH THAT IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL DISCLOSURES FROM COUNCIL? OKAY. WE'LL PROCEED TO THE PETITIONER'S AGENT. IT IS STILL A GREAT MORNING. AND MY NAME IS STILL TIM MCCARTHY. LICENSED FLORIDA ARCHITECT. CV IS ON FILE AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION, HAVING TESTIFIED BEFORE COUNCIL ON PREVIOUS OCCASIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME THIS MORNING AND ATTENTION TO THE NEXT CHAPTER OF IMAGINING HOW THE PORT ROYAL CLUB WILL COME TO LIFE. TODAY WE WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT LIVE ENTERTAINMENT LOCATIONS, BOTH INDOORS AS WELL AS OUTDOORS AT SEVEN PROPOSED LOCATIONS. FIVE OF THOSE ARE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING. TWO OF THOSE ARE PROPOSED TO BE OUTSIDE. I WILL SHOW YOU SOME GRAPHIC MAPS IN JUST A MOMENT TO DESCRIBE MORE SPECIFICALLY WHERE THOSE LOCATIONS ARE INDICATED. IT IS SAFE TO SAY AT THIS POINT IN THE PRESENTATION, HOWEVER, THAT. BUT THE TWO OUTDOOR LOCATIONS ARE CONVENIENTLY LOCATED TOWARDS THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY, FAR AWAY FROM THE NORTH. NEIGHBOR AS POSSIBLE AND AS AND EQUALLY FAR AWAY FROM THE SOUTH NEIGHBOR AS POSSIBLE. INDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WILL OCCUR ONLY WHEN ALL DOORS AND WINDOWS ARE CLOSED, AND OUTDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WILL CONCLUDE NO LATER THAN 10 P.M. THE OUTDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT LOCATIONS WILL OFFER ACOUSTIC, NON AMPLIFIED ENTERTAINMENT ONLY, AND THE PERFORMERS AT THOSE LOCATIONS WILL BE ORIENTED AWAY FROM THE ABUTTING PROPERTIES. NO MORE THAN ANY THAN TWO OF THE PROPOSED SEVEN TOTAL LOCATIONS WILL BE UTILIZED AT ANY ONE POINT IN TIME. THE CLUB WILL ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S NOISE CONTROL ORDINANCE THROUGH THE USE OF STANDARDIZED AV EQUIPMENT, SOUND LIMITERS, AS WELL AS DECIBEL READINGS AT THE PROPERTY LINES. ENTERTAINMENT WILL VARY FROM WEEKLY RECURRENT PERFORMERS TO UNIQUE EVENT PERFORMERS AS NECESSARY FOR THE CLUB'S DINING SPACES, SOCIAL GATHERINGS AND MEETINGS. THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WILL NOT INCLUDE MUSIC EVENTS TARGETING OUTSIDE TICKETED ATTENDEES. RATHER, THE ENTERTAINMENT WILL ALWAYS BE COMPLIMENTARY TO THE CLUB'S PRIVATE MEMBERS AND ITS EVENTS, AND THEREFORE IT WILL NOT GENERATE ANY ADDITIONAL PARKING DEMAND. THE SUBJECT OF THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS. WITH THAT BEING THE CASE TO FOCUS IN ON THE PROPOSED LIVE ENTERTAINMENT HOURS, THE INDOOR LOCATIONS WILL RUN OVER THE COURSE OF BUSINESS WITH THE WINDOWS AND DOORS CLOSED. AND THEN REGARDING OUTDOORS OR WHEN INDOOR LOCATIONS HAVE OPEN DOORS AND WINDOWS FROM 9 A.M. IN THE MORNING UNTIL THAT MAXIMUM I JUST MENTIONED EARLIER OF 10 P.M. IN THE EVENING. I MENTIONED THAT SOME GRAPHIC MAPS WERE COMING AS PART OF TODAY'S PRESENTATION. AND SO HERE WE LOOK SPECIFICALLY AT THE GROUND FLOOR OF THE CLUB. WE HAVE READ LOCATIONS THAT INDICATE OUR INDOOR LOCATIONS, AS WELL AS BLUE LOCATIONS ON BOTH THIS MAP, AS WELL AS THE UPPER LEVEL MAP THAT YOU'LL SEE IN JUST A SECOND. FOR THOSE OUTDOOR LOCATIONS, I'LL START AT THE TOP OF THE SCREEN AND WORK OUR WAY DOWN THROUGH THE NUMBERS ONE, TWO, THREE, AND FOUR. SPACE NUMBER ONE IS AN INDOOR LOCATION WITHIN THE FACILITY'S BALLROOM. AT A MAXIMUM, IT WOULD HAVE A 7 TO 9 PIECE BAND, AS YOU MIGHT IMAGINE FOR A WEDDING. IT MAY HAVE A LIVE DJ, THERE MAY BE A DUET. AND HONESTLY, THE FREQUENCY AT WHICH THOSE WILL BE UTILIZED IS MOSTLY ON THE WEEKENDS AS INDICATED IN THE TEXT IN THE UPPER RIGHT. BUT IT WILL BE BASED ON THE CLUB'S EVENT CALENDAR. SLIDING JUST DOWN BELOW IS THE A RESTAURANT CALLED THE PRIVATEER, THE CASUAL RESTAURANT. THAT LOCATION AT SPACE NUMBER TWO WILL BE A SOLO PERFORMER OR A LIVE DJ, OR PERHAPS A DUET THAT MAY OCCUR 1 TO 2 TIMES A WEEK. AND THAT RESTAURANT IS OPEN SIX DAYS A WEEK, NOT ON MONDAYS. THE COFFEE SHOP IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH OF THAT AT NUMBER THREE COULD HAVE A SOLO PERFORMER, A DUET. IT WOULD BE ACOUSTIC ONLY AND SIMILAR OPERATING CRITERIA TO THE RESTAURANT IMMEDIATELY PRECEDING THIS. AT NUMBER TWO. AND LASTLY, IS THE LOCATION PROPOSED HERE AT THE BASE OF THE OF THE FOUNTAIN. AS YOU COME THROUGH THE CLUB'S BREEZEWAY AND HAVE THAT BIG VIEW OUT OVER THE GULF AT THAT LOCATION, [01:15:03] THERE COULD BE A SOLO PERFORMER, A DUET. IT WILL BE ACOUSTIC ONLY AS AN OUTDOOR LOCATION, AND SIMILARLY IT WILL BE OFFERED A MAXIMUM OF 1 TO 2 TIMES PER WEEK. TO DIVE SPECIFICALLY INTO THE PLANS FOR THIS, WE'LL START AT SPACE NUMBER ONE. SO THE KEY PLAN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE INDICATES THAT SPACE NUMBER ONE WE SAW ON THE PRECEDING PLAN. THIS IS THE BALLROOM SPACE. THE GULF IS TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN. THERE ARE TIMES WHEN WE WILL HAVE A DANCE FLOOR AND A STAGE. THE STAGE IS INDICATED IN RED ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE AND INSIDE OF THIS SPACE. THAT DANCE FLOOR COULD CHANGE IN SIZE AND SHAPE, SHOWN BETWEEN THE MAP ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, OR THE MAP ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THIS DRAWING. AS THAT DANCE FLOOR MIGHT GROW, IT WOULD REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF SEATING, BUT YOU CAN SEE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT CONFIGURATIONS. HERE IS A LECTURE TYPE OF FORMAT WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE A THEATER TYPE OF ARRANGEMENT WHERE A NUMBER OF CHAIRS SET IN ROWS ARE ALL FACING TOWARDS THAT STAGE. AND IN EACH ONE OF THESE MAPS, THE BLUE, LIKE WE'VE SEEN PREVIOUSLY ON THE OUTDOOR DINING APPLICATION, IS THE. FIRE MARSHAL APPROVED LIFE SAFETY MOVEMENT THROUGH THE. THROUGH THE DESIGN OF THE SEATING AND TABLES AND CHAIRS, AS WELL AS ANTICIPATING THE PRESENCE OF THE. OF THE STAGE WHERE THOSE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT FACILITIES MAY BE OFFERED. AS WE SLIDE TO THE SOUTH TO SPACE NUMBER TWO. THIS IS THE PRIVATEER, THE CASUAL RESTAURANT. YOU'RE COMING IN FROM THE BREEZEWAY ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. THE GULF IS STILL TOWARDS THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN, WHERE YOU SEE THE GREEN COLOR STARTING TO COME IN OF THE LANDSCAPE. THE BLUE IS THE MOVEMENT OF ACCESSIBLE MOVEMENT AND EGRESS THROUGH THE TABLES AND CHAIRS. AND IMMEDIATELY ON THE RIGHT AS YOU COME IN FROM THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS A LOCATION HERE WHERE THAT LIVE DJ OR THAT DUET OR THAT SOLO PERFORMER COULD SET UP WITHIN THEIR FIVE BY SEVEN FOOT ALLOCATED AREA THAT WORKS WITH THE FIRE, FIRE MARSHAL. OKAY. AND THEN LASTLY, ON THE INSIDE, AT THIS GROUND FLOOR IS OUR COFFEE BAR LOCATION. SO AGAIN, GULF TO THE BOTTOM. THE BREEZEWAY IN THIS PARTICULAR DRAWING IS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE. SO YOU'RE COMING IN THROUGH THE DOUBLE DOORS ON THE, ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE. THE BLUE IS INDICATING THE MOVEMENT OF OF GUESTS AND MEMBERS THROUGH THE FACILITY. AND THEN THE RED SET IN THAT BAY WINDOW IS THE LOCATION WHERE THE PERFORMER, THE OFFERING THAT'S INDICATED DOWN BELOW THE DUET, THE SOLO PERFORMER AND A CLARIFICATION OF ACOUSTIC ONLY AT THIS LOCATION IS PROVIDED. ALL OF THOSE ARE LIVING BEHIND OUR FLORIDA HURRICANE RATED WINDOW AND DOOR SYSTEMS. SO PLENTY OF GLASS AS WE THINK ABOUT THE MISSILE IMPACT OF THOSE WINDOWS AND DOORS AND THE RESILIENCE STRATEGIES THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE. SO PLENTY OF GLASS BETWEEN THOSE INDOOR PERFORMERS AND THE OUTDOORS. LASTLY, AT THIS GROUND FLOOR IS THE BLUE OR PURPLE LOCATION HERE AT THE BASE OF THAT FOUNTAIN. AS YOU COME THROUGH THE BREEZEWAY, YOU DESCEND DOWN TO THE BEACH, RECOGNIZING THAT WE'RE ARRIVING AT ELEVATION 15 PLUS 15FT TO SEA LEVEL. SO THAT'S PART OF OUR RESILIENCE PLANNING. AND THEN YOU CASCADE DOWN THROUGH THESE SYMMETRICAL STAIRS AND DROP DOWN TO THE BEACH SAND, WHICH IS AROUND ELEVATION EIGHT. SO YOU'LL BE SEEING OVER THE TOP OF THOSE PERFORMERS AS THEY SET UP FOR THE EVENING HERE AND ORIENT THEIR THEIR MUSIC IN A DIRECTION AWAY FROM THOSE NEIGHBORS. AND, AND YOU SEE THAT LOCATION HERE INDICATED AT THAT PURPLE SPOT IN THE FOUR BY EIGHT AREA INDICATED AT THE BASE OF THE FOUNTAIN. THOSE ARE FOUR OF THE SEVEN OVERALL LOCATIONS. WE THEN GO UPSTAIRS TO THE UPPER LEVEL AND HAVE VERY SIMILAR CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE VARIOUS LOCATIONS. I'LL START AT NUMBER FIVE, IN THIS CASE, DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THE SCREEN AND WORK OUR WAY UP THE SCREEN. THIS IS OUR AFTER DINNER LOUNGE. WE DO ANTICIPATE HAVING A BABY GRAND PIANO IN THAT LOCATION SO THAT AS YOU RETIRE FROM DINNER, YOU'RE ABLE TO HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL ENTERTAINMENT AGAIN INSIDE OF THE BUILDING. AND SO THAT LIVE PIANO OR THAT DUET WHERE YOU MIGHT HAVE AN ACCOMPANYING SINGER ALONG WITH THE PIANO IS ABLE TO SET UP AT THAT SPACE. NUMBER FIVE, SPACE NUMBER SIX IS PURPLE AGAIN, INDICATING THAT WE'RE OUTSIDE. SO WE'RE ON THAT BALCONY AT THE MIDDLE OF THE OF THE PROPERTY HERE ON A NORTH SOUTH BASIS. AND THEN SPACE NUMBER SEVEN IS WITHIN THE A LA CARTE DINING, WHERE A SOLO PERFORMER, A DUET COULD BE PROVIDING ACOUSTIC ONLY MUSIC AT THAT INDOOR SETTING. AGAIN, FIRE MARSHALL HAS REVIEWED AND APPROVED THESE PLANS. SO THE BLUE LOCATION HERE FOR THE BABY GRAND ON THE FAR RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PLAN, WITH THE GULF TOWARDS THE BOTTOM ARRIVING TO THE. TO THE AFTER DINNER LOUNGE FROM THE MAIN STAIRCASE AND ELEVATOR IN THE UPPER LEFT, OR WORKING OUR WAY SLIGHTLY TO THE NORTH. THIS LOCATION ON THE ELEVATED UP UPSTAIRS OUTDOOR DINING PORCH WHERE WE COULD HAVE THAT SOLO PERFORMER OR THAT DUET SET UP FOR THEIR ACOUSTIC [01:20:08] PERFORMANCE HERE IN THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY. AND THEN LASTLY, MOVING JUST INDOORS WITHIN THAT RESTAURANT IS TO HAVE ANOTHER LOCATION PROVIDED HERE BEHIND THAT HURRICANE RATED GLASS. SO WITH ALL OF THOSE AS THE AS THE MAPS AND THE PREDICATE, THE OPERATING HOURS, THE CRITERIA BY WHICH WE'VE BEEN WORKING. WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH OUR TWO IMMEDIATELY ADJOINING NEIGHBORS, SPECIFICALLY FRANCISCO HAS REACHED OUT AS THE CLUB'S GENERAL MANAGER TO ENSURE CONSISTENCY. THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH HAS BEEN SUPPORTIVE. AND THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH HAS SIMPLY ASKED THAT ALL OF THE PRIOR CONDITIONS THAT WE DISCUSSED COLLECTIVELY IN 2024 ARE CARRIED FORWARD. AND I THINK WE JUST HEARD FROM MR. MCCONNELL THAT THAT, IN FACT, IS THE COMMITMENT OF THE CLUB AND REMAINS THE CASE FROM A LEGAL BASIS. AND SO THEREFORE HE WAS HAPPY THROUGH A SERIES OF EMAIL EXCHANGES WITH THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH. UNLESS YOU'VE ERIKA, YOU'VE HEARD ANYTHING ELSE. WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY ADDITIONAL CORRESPONDENCE. OKAY. SO WITH THAT, I'LL CONCLUDE MY TESTIMONY. I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? NOPE. NOPE. OKAY. THANK YOU. STAFF. GOOD MORNING AGAIN, MADAM MAYOR. COUNCIL JEFF BRAMMER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS IS THE THIRD PETITION HERE TODAY FOR THE SAME PROPERTY. THIS IS FOR AMPLIFIED INDOOR AND NON AMPLIFIED OUTDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT AT THE PORT ROYAL CLUB. THE PLANS SHOW LIVE ENTERTAINMENT IN SEVEN LOCATIONS, INCLUDING FIVE INDOORS AND TWO OUTDOORS. ALL OF THESE LOCATIONS ARE SITUATED AT THE MAIN CLUBHOUSE PROPERTY WEST OF GORDON DRIVE. THERE IS NO LIVE ENTERTAINMENT PROPOSED FOR THE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES PROPERTY LOCATED EAST OF GORDON DRIVE. THERE ARE FOUR LOCATIONS PROPOSED FOR THE MAIN LEVEL OF THE CLUBHOUSE PROPERTY AND THREE LOCATIONS FOR THE UPPER LEVEL. THE PROPOSED LOCATIONS, TYPE OF ENTERTAINMENT AND FREQUENCY OF PERFORMANCES ARE DEPICTED ON THE ATTACHED SITE PLAN DOCUMENTS. THE PETITIONER HAS ALSO JUST WALKED YOU THROUGH THOSE PLANS DURING THEIR PRESENTATION. THE REQUESTED DAYS AND HOURS OF LIVE ENTERTAINMENT ARE AS FOLLOWED. AMPLIFIED INDOOR WITH DOORS AND WINDOWS CLOSED SEVEN DAYS PER WEEK, MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY 7 A.M. TO MIDNIGHT. NON AMPLIFIED OUTDOOR OUTDOORS OR INDOORS WITH LIVE OR INDOORS WITH DOORS AND WINDOWS. OPEN SEVEN DAYS PER WEEK, MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY, 9 A.M. TO 10 P.M.. FINALLY, THE PLANS HAVE BEEN REVIEWED BY THE FIRE MARSHAL FOR LIFE SAFETY COMPLIANCE. THIS PETITION HAS ALSO BEEN NOTICED TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 1000FT. TO DATE, STAFF HAS RECEIVED NO OFFICIAL CORRESPONDENCE CONCERNING THE REQUEST. SHOULD COUNCIL CHOOSE TO APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED TEN CONDITIONS AND THOSE CONDITIONS ARE NUMBER ONE. INDOOR AND OUTDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT SHALL BE RESTRICTED TO THE LOCATIONS AND NUMBER OF ENTERTAINERS DEPICTED ON THE APPROVED LIFE SAFETY PLANS REFERENCED HEREIN. NUMBER TWO INDOOR AMPLIFIED LIVE ENTERTAINMENT WITH DOORS AND WINDOWS CLOSED SHALL BE PERMITTED FROM 7 A.M. TO MIDNIGHT MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY. NUMBER THREE OUTDOOR NONAMPLIFIED LIVE ENTERTAINMENT OUTDOORS OR INDOORS WITH DOORS AND WINDOWS OPEN, SHALL BE PERMITTED 9 A.M. TO 10 P.M. MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY. NUMBER FOUR SOUND CREATED BY THIS LIVE ENTERTAINMENT SHALL NOT VIOLATE SECTION 2237 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. NUMBER FIVE, THE PETITIONER SHALL UTILIZE STANDARDIZED AV EQUIPMENT, A SOUND LIMITER AND DECIBEL METERS AT THE PROPERTY LINES TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH NOISE STANDARDS. NUMBER SIX, ALL AMPLIFIED MUSIC SHALL COME FROM PERMANENT SPEAKERS INSTALLED IN THE PROPERTY THAT ARE ORIENTED TOWARD THE PROPERTY. VOLUME CONTROL SHALL BE INSTALLED ON ALL AMPLIFICATION. AMPLIFICATION EQUIPMENT TO LIMIT NOISE TO LEVELS SPECIFIED IN THE CODE. ACCESS TO THE CONTROLS SHALL BE CENTRALIZED, LOCKED, AND ACCESSIBLE ONLY TO THE MANAGER ON DUTY OR THEIR DESIGNEE. AND THERE SHALL ALWAYS BE SUCH A MANAGER OR DESIGNEE ON SITE WHEN THE MUSIC IS BEING PLAYED. EQUIPMENT, PRODUCT SPECIFICATIONS AND A LAYOUT PLAN SHALL BE PROVIDED TO CITY STAFF PRIOR TO INSTALLATION. NUMBER SEVEN. A FIRE ALARM PERMIT SHALL BE REQUIRED, SUBMITTED AND APPROVED FOR INSTALLATION OF SHUNT TRIPS ON ASSOCIATED OUTLETS. ALL INSPECTIONS SHALL BE PASSED AND THE PERMIT CLOSED PRIOR TO UTILIZATION OF THE DESIGNATED SPACES FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. [01:25:05] NUMBER EIGHT. BUILDING PERMIT SHALL BE REQUIRED FOR ANY PHYSICAL BARRIERS SUCH AS FENCING, LANDSCAPING AND OR ACOUSTIC SCREENS INSTALLED TO ABSORB AND OR DEFLECT SOUND TO ENSURE THEY ARE REVIEWED BY ALL APPLICABLE CITY DEPARTMENTS PRIOR TO INSTALLATION. NUMBER NINE ANY FUTURE MODIFICATION OR ENHANCEMENT OF THIS LIVE ENTERTAINMENT USE SHALL REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL REVIEW AND APPROVAL AND NUMBER TEN. APPROXIMATELY SIX MONTHS FOLLOWING THE DATE OF APPROVAL, STAFF WILL REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL WHETHER ANY CONDITIONS OF THIS PERMIT HAVE BEEN VIOLATED, WHETHER THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT HAS NOT OPERATED IN A MANNER THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED PERMIT, WHETHER THE PROPERTY HAS RECEIVED ANY CODE ENFORCEMENT CITATIONS OR THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT HAS OPERATED IN A MANNER WHICH CONSTITUTES A NUISANCE, UNDULY IMPEDES OR RESTRICTS THE MOVEMENTS OF PEDESTRIANS. OH NO, I THAT. YEAH. I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE. THE LAST CONDITION THAT MIGHT BE A TYPO. OH WELL, NO. OR IN ANY WAY IS THAT I'M SORRY? OR ANYWAY, IS DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY OR WELFARE OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY. CITY COUNCIL MAY THEN SCHEDULE A HEARING TO REVIEW THE PERMIT, AND MAY REVOKE OR ALTER THE APPROVED PERMIT, OR IMPOSE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS AT THAT TIME. I APOLOGIZE FOR THANK YOU. COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE BLANKENSHIP AND THEN BARTON. THANK YOU. JUST A QUESTION ON THE CONDITION TEN. AND THE RESOLUTION SAYS FROM SIX SIX MONTHS OF THE DATE OF APPROVAL, WHICH MIGHT BE TODAY. CORRECT. WOULD IT BE BETTER TO DO SIX MONTHS FROM THE DATE THAT OCCUPANCY IS APPROVED AND THE CLUB CAN ACTUALLY BE USED FOR SIX MONTHS? YES. THAT IS A STANDARD CONDITION. THAT REFERENCE. THAT'S A REFERENCE TO THE CODE. BUT YOU ARE CORRECT. IN THESE INSTANCES WHERE IT'S A NEW CONSTRUCTION, WE SHOULD GO FROM THE DATE. SO WE ACTUALLY GET SIX MONTHS OF OPERATION. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WE'LL AMEND NUMBER TEN TO REFERENCE SIX MONTHS FROM THE DATE OF THE COUP. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS A VERY DELIBERATE AND CONSIDERATE PLAN FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, SO I APPLAUD YOU FOR THAT. AND SECONDLY, I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I'M VERY HAPPY TO HEAR THAT YOU HAD COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH, AND THAT HE HAS NO OBJECTIONS AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO THAT'S MUSIC TO MY EARS BASED ON WHAT WE HAD TO GO THROUGH LAST TIME. SO THAT'S THAT'S GLAD TO HEAR IT. OKAY. THAT WAS A GOOD PLAY. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? OKAY. DO I HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT? NONE. THANK YOU. CLOSING REMARKS. WE'RE HERE TODAY, 26 DAYS BEFORE THE FOUR YEAR ANNIVERSARY OF THE THE HURRICANE. AND SO REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S SUPPORT OVER THAT FOUR YEAR JOURNEY. IT'S BEEN INCREDIBLY PRODUCTIVE AND FRUITFUL. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE AUTUMN OPENING OF THE, OF THE CLUB AND APPRECIATE YOUR VOTE OF SUPPORT REGARDING LIVE ENTERTAINMENT THIS MORNING. THANK YOU FOR THAT REMINDER. SO WITH THAT, I WILL ALSO COMMEND THOSE THAT STEPPED UP FOR LEADERSHIP DURING THAT TIME AND VERY DIFFICULT TIME AND STAFF SUPPORT. SO THANK YOU. AND YES, PLEASE SIR. MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT PETITION FOR THE PORT ROYAL CLUB AND ITEM 11 C WITH THE CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, BUT WITH THE CHANGE TO ITEM TEN TO BE SIX MONTHS FROM THE DATE OF KO. THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION BY VICE MAYOR SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. MAYOR, I BELIEVE I'M SORRY. SCHULTZ. SECOND. YEAH. OH. THANK YOU. COULDN'T HEAR. GOT IT. YEAH. YOU GOT TO CUT YOUR TURN. YES. THANK YOU. YOUR MIC ON. I HAVE A MOTION BY VICE MAYOR AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL. VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KROLL. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. CRAMER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHULTZ. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. CAN YOU HEAR THAT? THANK YOU. CAN I HEAR? YES. MAYOR HARTMAN? YES. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. [01:30:04] THANK YOU STAFF. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE HAVE A TIME. CERTAIN FOR 11. FOR 13. A MOVING MADAM MAYOR. I ACTUALLY WANTED TO DO ONE OTHER ITEM. I MEANT TO DO THIS UNDER ANNOUNCEMENTS. SO IF YOU WOULD INDULGE ME. I'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE CHIEF COME FORWARD AND INTRODUCE THE NEW FIRE MARSHAL AND JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON HIM. AND SO I DO APOLOGIZE FOR NOT KNOWING THAT EARLIER. NO THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. I KEPT LOOKING AT YOU, CHIEF, A NEW FACE. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL PHIL PENNINGTON, FIRE CHIEF, I JUST WANT TO TAKE SOME TIME TO INTRODUCE OUR NEW FIRE MARSHAL. CAME ON LAST WEEK. WALTER COMES WITH A VERY GOOD PEDIGREE, SO WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO HIS LEADERSHIP IN THE DEPARTMENT TRYING TO BE GENEROUS AND NICE BECAUSE WE'RE BOTH A LITTLE LONG IN THE TOOTH HERE, SO REALLY. ANYWAY, SO I'LL LET WALTER GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HIS BACKGROUND. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. GOOD MORNING. GLAD TO BE HERE. AS THE CITY MANAGER MENTIONED THE STAFF IS GETTING YOUNGER. I'M A LITTLE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT, SO. BUT I'M GLAD TO BE HERE. I STARTED AS A VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTER AT THE AGE OF 16, AND I BECAME A PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTER A FEW YEARS LATER, AND I WROTE AN ENGINE AND AN AMBULANCE FOR 18 YEARS. AND THEN I WENT INTO THE ADMINISTRATION. I BECAME A FIRE MARSHAL FOR 20 YEARS IN THE TOWN OF SOUTH WINDSOR, CONNECTICUT. AND ME AND MY WIFE OF 42 YEARS WANTED TO MOVE TO FLORIDA. AND WE STARTED SEARCHING ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, AND WE FOUND A NICE PLACE. AND SHE HAS THE LUXURY OF WORKING 100% REMOTE. SO SHE'S BEEN DOWN HERE FOR 19 MONTHS, AND I WAS FINALLY ABLE TO MOVE MYSELF DOWN HERE. I'M VERY GLAD TO BE HERE. WE HAVE A GREAT TEAM OF INSPECTORS AND PLAN REVIEWERS. I'M GLAD WE'RE FULLY STAFFED AT THIS TIME. WE HAVE OUR NEWEST INSPECTOR WHO JUST STARTED TRAINING A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO BRINGING HIM ON FULLY IN A FEW MONTHS. I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE ABOUT EIGHT DAYS. I WAS SHOWN THIS THIS LATEST RESOLUTIONS FOR FIVE MINUTES LAST NIGHT AT 530, BUT I, I'M, I'M IMPRESSED WITH THE PROCESS HERE FOR OUTDOOR DINING AND LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT KIND OF PROCESS UP IN SOUTH WINDSOR. AND LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU. WELL, THANK YOU AND FIRE MARSHAL COMBS. WELCOME. THANK YOU. AND WITH YOUTH, WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, WISDOM FROM US ELDERLY OR NOT SO YOUNG. BUT I MEANT THAT FOR ME, NOT FOR YOU, SIR. EXPERIENCE. THANK YOU. YES, WE ARE EXPERIENCED. I'M GOING TO LEAVE IT AT THAT AND JUST SAY WELCOME, SIR. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG. I THINK I STARTED SOMETHING THIS MORNING WITH THE YOUTH MOVEMENT. BUT I WILL SAY IS IT'S ACTUALLY A GOOD THING. AND EVEN WHEN WE INTERVIEWED, THE KEY IS, IS WHETHER THE YOUTH RECOGNIZES THEY'RE READY TO TAKE OVER. THEY NEED MENTORSHIP. AND I THINK THEY THE GROUP THEMSELVES RECOGNIZE THAT. AND SO THIS IS ANOTHER POSITIVE STEP TO GROOM THE NEXT PEOPLE COMING BEHIND US. AND HAD I INTRODUCED HIM AT THE RIGHT TIME THEY WOULD HAVE STOOD UP AND YOU'D HAVE SEEN THE YOUTH IN THE GROUP BACK THERE. SO BUT THE KEY POINT TO THIS IS IT'S ABOUT BRIDGING THAT GAP BETWEEN THE NEXT GENERATION AND THE THESE ARE IMPORTANT HIRES TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT INTRODUCTION. WELCOME AGAIN. SO WE HAVE A TIME CERTAIN OF 13 AYE AT 11. SO THIS WOULD TAKE US TO 13 B AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A BREAK. OH DO YOU WANT TO. OKAY. I'M SORRY. WE'LL TAKE A BREAK NOW. AND RETURN AT 1015. OKAY. OKAY. WE'RE BACK FROM OUR BREAK. AND WITH THE AGENDA, WE HAVE 13 A, WHICH IS A TIME CERTAIN AT 11:00. IT'S 1017 SO WE'LL GO TO 13 B MR. MCCONNELL. YES. [13.B) A Resolution Determining Dredge and Fill Petition PRMR2601760 Requesting Maintenance Dredging of the Old Naples Seaport Located at 895 10th Street South, Owned by Old Naples Seaport Yacht Association Inc., Subject to the Conditions Set Forth Herein; and Providing an Effective Date.] THANK YOU MAYOR. RESOLUTION DETERMINING DREDGE AND FILL PETITION. PRMR2601760. REQUESTING MAINTENANCE DREDGING OF THE OLD NAPLES SEAPORT LOCATED AT 895 10TH STREET SOUTH, OWNED BY OLD NAPLES SEAPORT YACHT ASSOCIATION, INC., SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH HEREIN AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A PETITIONER'S AGENT? GOOD MORNING. [01:35:03] GOOD MORNING, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL. FOR THE RECORD, TIM HALL WITH TARA HALL AND ASSOCIATES HERE REPRESENTING THE OLD NAPLES SEAPORT. THE REQUEST BEFORE YOU TODAY IS IS FOR A A MAINTENANCE DREDGING PROJECT. OVER TIME, THE WATERS AROUND THE CLUB HAVE HAVE SOLD IN AND I JUST RUN THROUGH SOME, SOME PHOTOS. YOU CAN SEE THESE ARE JUST SOME SIDE SHOTS OF THE, OF THE DOCKS AT THE FACILITY. AND HERE'S THE AERIAL VIEW. SO OVER TIME, SOME OF THE WATERS AROUND THE THE DOCKS HAVE SOLD IN THESE ARE LARGER BOATS USING THIS FACILITY COMING IN FROM THE SOUTH. AND SO THE REQUEST WAS MADE TO THE STATE AND FEDERAL AGENCIES TO BE ABLE TO MAINTENANCE DREDGE THE AREA A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE OF THEIR RIPARIAN SITES. THIS IS THE DREDGE FOOTPRINT GOING DOWN TO A CONSISTENT MINUS SEVEN DEPTH TO ALLOW FOR THE INGRESS AND EGRESS OF THOSE BOATS TO THE FACILITY. EVEN THOUGH IT'S CONSIDERED MAINTENANCE BY THE AGENCIES, THERE'S BEEN NO RECORD OF THE PRIOR DREDGING HAVING BEEN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THE COUNCIL. SO WE'RE YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE. IT'S IT'S KIND OF TREATED AS A AS A NEW DREDGE IN IN FRONT OF YOU ALL, BUT CROSS SECTION VIEWS AND, AND I'M JUST MAKING THIS REALLY QUICK. IT'S A, IT'S A PRETTY SIMPLE, YOU KNOW, PROJECT TO, TO GO IN AND REMOVE THE SHOALING THAT'S OCCURRED TO ALLOW FOR THAT INGRESS AND EGRESS. AND IN TERMS OF, OF GOING THROUGH THE, THE CODES CRITERIA IN TERMS OF, OF BEING PERMITTABLE, THERE ARE FIVE CRITERIA THAT, THAT YOUR CODE OUTLINES. THE FIRST BEING WHETHER OR NOT THE PROJECT WOULD VIOLATE ANY STATUTE, LAW, ORDINANCE OR OTHER RESTRICTIONS. AS I MENTIONED, THE PROJECT HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND RECEIVED THE PERMITS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AND THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS. SO IT HAS BOTH THE STATE AND FEDERAL APPROVALS. THE DREDGE AND FILL PERMIT THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY IS THE FINAL STEP NEEDED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CONSISTENT WITH WITH ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS. THE SECOND ONE IS THAT NO HARMFUL OBSTRUCTION TO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS WILL ARISE. I THINK THAT THIS PART OF THE CODE IS MORE GEARED TOWARDS SOME OF THE, THE LAKE AND INLAND DREDGE AND FILL PROJECTS, BECAUSE THIS IS IN THE BAY ITSELF. IT'S NOT PART OF ANY EXISTING STORMWATER SYSTEM. IT WILL NOT ALTER FLOWS OR INCREASE ANY SHOALING POTENTIALS WITHIN THE BAY THAT COULD AFFECT SOME OF THE INLAND STORMWATER SYSTEMS. THE THIRD REGARDS BIOLOGICAL OR ECOLOGICAL IMPACTS. SEAGRASS SURVEY WAS CONDUCTED A COUPLE OF TIMES AROUND THE PROJECT FOOTPRINT TO ENSURE THAT THERE'S NO BENTHIC RESOURCES THAT WOULD BE IMPACTED BY THE DREDGE PROJECT. AND THOSE SURVEYS SHOWED THAT, THAT THERE WERE, IN FACT, NO, NO RESOURCES THAT WOULD BE ADVERSELY AFFECTED BY THE REMOVAL OF THE SHOAL. AND CURRENTLY SOME OF THOSE BOATS, WHEN THEY COME IN AND OUT. THE SHALLOW WATER DEPTHS RESULT IN PROP WASH FROM THE BOTTOM BEING STIRRED UP. SO BY DEEPENING THAT AND ALLOWING THOSE BOATS TO GET IN, IN AND OUT, WE'RE ACTUALLY BE RESULTING IN A BENEFIT TO THE WATERS BY ELIMINATING SOME OF THAT, THAT THAT TURBIDITY THAT OCCURS FROM THE PROP WASH NO INCREASED EROSION, SHOALING OR CHANNELS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT CREATING A STAGNANT WATER BODY BY DOING THIS. THERE'S, THERE'S ADEQUATE FLUSHING WITHIN THE TIDAL ACTIVITY OF THE BAY AND THE FLOWS COMING DOWN OUT OF THE GORDON RIVER THROUGH THERE, THERE WILL BE NO STAGNANT AREAS. AND THE PROJECT, AS I SAID BEFORE, IS ACTUALLY TO REMOVE SHOALING THAT HAS OCCURRED OVER THE YEARS. AND THEN LASTLY, THAT NO MATERIAL INJURY OR MONETARY DAMAGE TO ADJOINING LAND WILL ACCRUE THEREFROM. THE PROJECT DOES EXTEND ACROSS THE ADJACENT RIPARIAN PROPERTIES TO THE SOUTH, BUT IT ACTUALLY MAKES ACCESS AND BOATING SAFER FOR THOSE ADJACENT PROPERTIES AS WELL. AND DURING THE WORK YOU KNOW, PROPER CARE WILL BE TAKEN TO MAINTAIN APPROPRIATE BUFFERS FROM THE SEAWALLS AND SHORELINES, SO THAT THE INTEGRITY OF THOSE SHORELINES IS NOT ADVERSELY AFFECTED BY THE WORK THAT WILL BE PART OF THE, THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION METHODOLOGY THAT THAT GETS DONE. SO, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THOSE, THERE WILL BE NO INJURY OR MONETARY DAMAGE TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. [01:40:06] LIKE I SAID, I WANTED TO MAKE THIS QUICK I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE, BUT, BUT THAT'S OUR REQUEST. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. COUNCIL MEMBER. PRESIDENT. I'M JUST CURIOUS, YOUR UPLAND DISPOSAL SITE. COULD YOU SHARE WITH US WHERE THAT IS? I'M JUST CURIOUS. IT UNDER THE PERMIT, IT'S IT WOULD BE GOING TO THE BONITA GRANDE MINE TO BE USED TO FILL IN SOME OF THAT. HOWEVER, TWO OF THOSE LAKES ARE CURRENTLY UNDERGOING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO THE CONTRACTOR WILL WILL, WHEN THEY SELECT A CONTRACTOR, THEY NORMALLY HAVE CERTAIN DISPOSAL SITES. THE BACKUP WOULD BE TO TAKE IT TO THE COUNTY LANDFILL TO BE USED AS COVER. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. VERY INTERESTING. SO WHERE WILL THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN. WHERE'S THE DEWATERING GOING TO HAPPEN? THE THE THIS WILL PROBABLY BE A COMBINATION WHERE THEY WILL USE A MECHANICAL DREDGE TO TAKE MOST OF IT. IT'LL GO INTO CONTAINERS ON THE BARGE. THE DEWATERING WILL OCCUR ON THE BARGE WITHIN THE TURBIDITY CURTAINS. AND THEN THE CONTAINERS THEMSELVES GET TAKEN TO EITHER THE, THE NAPLES LANDING OR WHATEVER STAGING AREA THEY HAVE AND THEN WOULD BE TRANSFERRED AND MOVED TO THE THE FINAL UPLAND DISPOSAL SITE. ARE THOSE THE PROTECTIVE LINERS? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO? YEAH. THEY'RE LIKE THEY'RE LIKE SMALL DUMPSTERS. THE MATERIAL GOES INTO THOSE. THEY HAVE FILTERS IN THEM THAT ALLOWS THE WATER TO DRAIN THROUGH. IT HOLDS THE MATERIAL IN THEM. THE WATER FLOWS OFF THE BARGE AND IS CONTAINED IN THE TURBIDITY CURTAIN, SO THAT ALL OF THE THE DISTURBANCES IS PROTECTED OR CONTAINED RIGHT WITHIN THERE. THE SPOIL ITSELF IS IS KEPT IN THE CONTAINERS ON THE BARGE. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THE STAFF REPORT. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. NATALIE HARTMAN, NATURAL RESOURCES MANAGER. MY CREDENTIALS ARE ON FILE WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. SO THE OLD NAPLES SEAPORT PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF NAPLES BAY. A NATURAL WATER BODY WITHIN THE CITY OF NAPLES. THE PROJECT INVOLVES MECHANICAL DREDGING ALONG THE SHORELINE, AS WELL AS THE MARINA FOOTPRINT AND ADJACENT ACCESS CHANNEL OF NAPLES BAY. VARYING FROM -4 TO -7. MEAN LOW WATER. IT WILL CREATE A SOIL VOLUME OF 4499YD³. THE DREDGED MATERIAL WILL BE PLACED IN WATERTIGHT CONTAINERS AND TRANSPORTED VIA BARGE TO THE STAGING SITE AT NAPLES LANDING PARK AND TRANSPORTED TO AN UPLAND DISPOSAL SITE. A SUBMERGED RESOURCE SURVEY WAS CONDUCTED BY THE AGENT WITHIN 100 FOOT RADIUS OF THE PROPOSED SITE. THE SURVEY IDENTIFIED THAT NO SUBMERGED RESOURCES OR SHORELINE VEGETATION WILL BE IMPACTED BY THE DREDGE ACTIVITY, AND NO SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE BIOLOGICAL OR ECOLOGICAL IMPACTS ARE EXPECTED. THE PROPOSED DREDGING WILL NOT ALTER ALTER WATER FLOW WITHIN THE NAPLES BAY NAVIGATIONAL CHANNEL. THE PETITIONER HAS OBTAINED THE REQUIRED FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AND U.S. ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. PERMITS FOR THE PROPOSED DREDGING AND BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES FOR EROSION. SEDIMENT CONTROLS SHALL BE IMPLEMENTED PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION AND MAINTAINED THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT TO PREVENT SILTATION AND TURBIDITY EXCEEDING STATE WATER QUALITY STANDARDS. LEGAL NOTICES WERE PUBLISHED IN THE NAPLES DAILY NEWS TEN DAYS PRIOR TO THIS MEETING. STAFF HAS NO OBJECTION TO THE APPROVAL OF THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES. VICE MAYOR. IS THERE ANY FEDERAL, STATE OR CITY REQUIREMENT TO TEST THE SOIL OR SOIL THAT COMES OUT FOR POLLUTION? CONTAMINANTS LIKE FUEL, GAS, WHATEVER. THAT THEN DETERMINES WHERE THAT SHOULD BE PLACED SO THAT IT DOESN'T CAUSE HARM SOMEWHERE ELSE. I THINK TIM WOULD PROBABLY ANSWER THAT BETTER THAN I WOULD. THERE ACTUALLY IS REQUIREMENTS FOR TESTING. LIKE IF, IF WHEN PEOPLE ACCEPT THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, ACCEPT THE, THE SPOIL, THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT TAKING CONTAMINATED. AND ALSO, SO TESTING HAS BEEN DONE OUT HERE AND THERE ARE MINOR TRACES OF, OF SOME HEAVY METALS, BUT ALL OF THEM ARE, ARE BELOW THE, THE STATE STANDARDS THAT WOULD REQUIRE THEM TO DO ANY KIND OF OF, [01:45:07] OF SUPER CLEANING OR ANYTHING OF THE SOIL BEFORE IT WAS, IT WAS DONE. OKAY. SO THE TESTING IS DONE AS PART OF THE PERMITTING PROCESS. NOT, NOT AS IT COMES OUT OF THE WATER. CORRECT. CORRECT. IT'S USUALLY DONE AHEAD OF TIME AS PART OF THE AS PART OF THE THE STATE PERMITTING PROCESS. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. IS THIS IS FOR A RECONFIGURATION ALSO OF THE DOCKS OR IT JUST SAYS IT IN THE PERMIT DOESN'T THE. THE PERMIT ALSO INCLUDES A COUPLE OF MINOR CHANGES TO SOME OF THE SOME OF THE, THE MOORING PILES, THEY WANT TO MOVE SOME OF THE MOORING PILES OUT A LITTLE FURTHER TO ACCOMMODATE THE LARGER BOATS THAT HAVE BEEN MOORING THERE. AND THERE ARE A COUPLE OF LITTLE DOCK CHANGES THAT WOULD, THAT ARE ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT PERMIT. THOSE ARE NOT PART OF THIS APPROVAL IS JUST FOR THE DREDGE AND FILL. WE'LL HAVE TO GO IN FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT AND ALL FOR ANY OF THE DOCK CHANGES WHEN THEY COME FORWARD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. QUESTION FOR STAFF. YES. HAS THERE BEEN ANY INVESTIGATION OF ANY REMNANTS FROM THE HURRICANE THAT SUNK THERE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IS IT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT REQUIRED OR HAS THAT BEEN DONE OR. SO AFTER HURRICANE IAN HAD COME THROUGH, THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY SERVICES CONDUCTED FULL SIDE AND SIDE SCAN SONAR OF ALL THE AREAS IN THE BAYS TO REMOVE ALL THE DEBRIS, AND IT TOOK ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF TO REMOVE ALL THE DEBRIS THAT HAD BEEN FOUND IN THE BAY. SO YES, THAT WAS DONE. AND AS OF THE DATE IN 2024, WHEN THEY COMPLETED THAT PROJECT, ALL DEBRIS FROM THE HURRICANES WAS REMOVED. HOPEFULLY. OKAY. AND DO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE THEY WILL UPLOAD THE DREDGE MATERIAL? WILL IT BE AT THE LANDINGS AT THIS POINT IN TIME. IT WAS AT THE LANDINGS. YES. WAS THERE A POTENTIAL CHANGE OR. NOT TO MY KNOWLEDGE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION. COUNCIL. QUESTIONS. MOTION. OKAY, I'LL TAKE A STAB. I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 13. BE A RESOLUTION DETERMINING DREDGE AND FILL PETITION. PRMR2601760. THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CRAMER AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHULTZ. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. CRULL. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. VICE MAYOR. BLANKENSHIP. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. CRAMER. YES. MAYOR. HARTMAN. YES. THANK YOU. COUNCIL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM 13 C. YES, SIR. THANK YOU. [13.C) A Resolution Determining Dredge and Fill Petition PRMR2602039 Requesting New Dredging within the Gordon River Adjacent to the Hyatt House Located at 1331 5th Avenue South, Owned by Naples 5th Avenue Hotel LLC; Subject to the Conditions Set Forth Herein; and Providing an Effective Date.] MAYOR RESOLUTION. DETERMINING DREDGE AND FILL PETITION. PRMR2602039. REQUESTING NEW DREDGING WITHIN THE GORDON RIVER ADJACENT TO THE HYATT HOUSE LOCATED AT 133 ONE FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH, OWNED BY NAPLES FIFTH AVENUE HOTEL LLC. SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS SET FORTH HEREIN AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, MISS MAYOR COUNCIL, JEFF ROGERS, FOR THE RECORD WITH CHERYL HALL AND ASSOCIATES HERE TODAY REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT WHO IS THE HYATT HOUSE RIGHT THERE AT THE INTERSECTION OF THE TWO US 41 BRIDGES RIGHT OFF FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH SLASH US 41. THIS IS ALSO A DREDGE AND FILL APPLICATION FOR A MAINTENANCE, A DREDGE PROJECT THAT IS PROPOSED TO GO ALONG WITH A PROPOSED DOCK RECONFIGURATION PROJECT. SLASH EXPANSION PROJECT. THAT IS ALSO PART OF THE PERMIT THAT WE HAVE FROM THE STATE AND FEDERAL AGENCIES ON THIS ONE. MOVING FORWARD, THESE ARE SOME PICTURES OF THE EXISTING DOCKS THAT ARE THERE AND THE EXISTING WATERWAY. AGAIN, THIS IS ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE EASTERN BRIDGE OF THE TWO BRIDGES RIGHT THERE ALONG US 41. YOU KNOW, BASICALLY IT'S RIGHT NEXT TO LIDO BAY AND OTHER DOCKING FACILITIES AS WELL AS OVER ON THE EAST SIDE IS BROOKSIDE MARINA. AND THAT ACCESS IS RIGHT THERE AS WELL. ON THE SCREEN, YOU CAN KIND OF GET A BETTER IDEA OF THE LOCATION. [01:50:05] AND WE ALSO HAVE EXISTING WATER DEPTHS HERE FOR YOU CONTOUR LINES SHOWING WHAT THE WATER DEPTHS ARE CURRENTLY IN REFERENCE TO MEAN LOW WATER, WHICH IS PART OF THE CRITERIA THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THE AGENCIES AS WELL AS THE CITY OF NAPLES FOR THESE KINDS OF PROJECTS. ON AVERAGE YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 4 FOOT TO 5 FOOT CONTROLLED DEPTHS IN THIS AREA. AND AS PROPOSED, THE PROJECT IS A DREDGE PROJECT ALSO ON A NATURAL WATERWAY WHICH IS ALSO STATE LANDS HERE. SO IT HAS GOTTEN APPROVED STATE STATE APPROVAL AS WELL AS FEDERAL APPROVAL FOR THIS. AND THE PROJECT IS ONLY PROPOSING TO DREDGE TO NEGATIVE FOR MEAN LOW WATER, WHICH IS CONSISTENT FOR THE NORTH SIDE OF NAPLES BAY ON THIS SIDE OF OF THE CHANNEL. IT'S A SHALLOWER SIDE THAN THE WESTERN BRIDGE IS AS WELL, WHICH MOST OF THE TRAFFIC YOU KNOW, DOES GO THROUGH THE WESTERN BRIDGE IF YOU ARE FAMILIAR OR BOATER IN THIS AREA YOU ARE RESTRICTED TO HEIGHT ELEVATION AS WELL WITH THESE BRIDGES. SO THE VESSELS THAT ARE ON TYPICALLY ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE BRIDGE ARE 20 TO 35 FOOT VESSELS, BASICALLY A THREE FOOT THREE FOOT DRAFT IS PROBABLY THE MOST YOU'RE GOING TO GET UP ON THE NORTH SIDE, TYPICALLY. AND AGAIN, THAT'S DUE TO WATER DEPTHS AS WELL AS THE HEIGHT OF THE BRIDGE TO GET UNDER TO THE NORTH SIDE. THERE ARE EXISTING DOCKS THERE, BUT WE ARE PROPOSING TO EXPAND THEM AS PART OF THIS. AND THE DREDGED FOOTPRINT IS IS PUSHED OUT TO ACCOMMODATE THAT PROPOSED PROJECT AS WELL, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE NEIGHBORING DOCKS IMMEDIATELY TO OUR WEST. THAT IS ALSO A SEPARATE ENTITY. IT'S A SEPARATE DOCKING FACILITY. SO DON'T GET THAT CONFUSED WITH THIS. IT'S NOT PART OF THE HYATT'S PROJECT. IT WAS THERE WHEN THE HYATT WAS BUILT. PROBABLY FIVE, TEN YEARS AGO NOW AT THIS POINT. MOVING FORWARD. GOT SOME CROSS SECTIONS FOR YOU, AS WE ALWAYS DO. AND HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF THE WATERWAY AND A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A REFERENCE VISUAL REFERENCE FOR YOU IN REGARDS TO WHERE THE PROJECT IS. AGAIN, AS YOU CAN SEE ACTUALLY ON THIS SCREEN, BOAT TRAFFIC THAT IS THERE IS GOING ON THE GOING INGRESSING AND INGRESSING THE BAY. IT'S GOING OBVIOUSLY TO THE WESTERN BRIDGE WHERE MOST OF THE TRAFFIC HERE AGAIN, IS REALLY SERVICING THE BROOKSIDE COMMUNITY THAT IS OVER THERE. MOVING FORWARD, WE HAVE THE SAME CRITERIA THAT WE JUST RAN THROUGH ON THE PREVIOUS PROJECT AND THE FIVE CRITERIA HERE, THE FIRST ONE BEING IN REGARDS TO ANY VIOLATION OF ZONING LAWS OR ORDINANCES. AND AGAIN, I'LL REITERATE, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN FULLY APPROVED AND VETTED BY THE STATE AS WELL AS THE U.S. ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS. THIS IS NOT TECHNICALLY A MAINTENANCE PROJECT. IT'S MORE OF A NEW DREDGE. BECAUSE IT'S HISTORICALLY NEVER, WE'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO PROVIDE EVIDENCE THAT THIS AREA WAS DREDGED WHERE WE DO HAVE EVIDENCE THROUGHOUT NAPLES BAY OF HISTORICAL DREDGING IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA. WE COULDN'T COME UP WITH ANY EVIDENCE TO SHOW THOSE AGENCIES. SO THEY CONSIDERED IT AS NEW DREDGE AS WELL. NUMBER TWO, ANY HARMFUL OBSTRUCTION TO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS WITHIN THIS AREA. AND AGAIN, THIS IS ALONG THE, THE GORDON RIVER. THE NORTHERN PART. SO THIS IS A NON NON MARKED WATERWAY ON THIS SIDE OF THE RIVER. AND WE DO NOT EXPECT ANY IMPACTS TO ANY EXISTING STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS ALONG THIS AREA OF THE OF THE BAY. NUMBER THREE IN PERTAINS TO BIOLOGICAL OR ECOLOGICAL ADVERSE IMPACTS TO THEM. THE SHORELINE ON THE EAST SIDE OF THIS PROPERTY DOES HAVE A NATURAL SHORELINE IN REGARDS TO MANGROVES, AND THAT THAT IS PROPOSED TO REMAIN. THE DREDGE WILL GO RIGHT UP TO THE EDGE OF THOSE MANGROVES. HOWEVER, THE MANGROVES WILL NOT BE IMPACTED AT ALL WITH THIS ACTIVITY. AND THE AREA WAS DOVE MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGHOUT THE PERMITTING PROCESS WITH THE ARMY CORPS AS WELL AS THE STATE. THAT HAS TO BE DONE TYPICALLY. JUST SO YOU GUYS KNOW, EVERY SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR, THEY MAKE US DIVE THOSE OVER AND OVER AGAIN TO VERIFY MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGHOUT THE VETTING PROCESS OF PERMITTING THAT THESE KNOW RESOURCES ARE THERE, LET ALONE COME IN DURING THE PROCESS OF PERMITTING PROJECT. SO, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THESE DREDGING PROJECTS TO COME IN FRONT OF YOU TAKE A LONG TIME TO GET TO GET TO THIS POINT WITH YOU GUYS. SO THE, THE RESOURCES ARE THOROUGHLY VETTED IS MY POINT IN THIS. SO THERE ARE NO IMPACTS TO THAT. MOVING FORWARD. NUMBER FOUR, HARMFUL OR INCREASED EROSION, SHOALING OR CHANNELS OR STAGNANT AREAS BEING CREATED BY THE PROPOSED PROJECT. [01:55:03] WE DO NOT ANTICIPATE THAT HAPPENING HERE. THIS AREA AGAIN IS, IS VERY TIDALLY INFLUENCED AS WELL AS THIS TIME OF YEAR. HAS A STRONG WATER FLOW COMING FROM THE NORTH DOWN TO THE SOUTH AS THE RAINS ARE, ARE HAPPENING AND OCCURRING, DRAINING OUT OF THE GORDON RIVER. NUMBER FIVE, NO MATERIAL INJURY OR MONETARY DAMAGE TO ADJOINING LAND WILL OCCUR. THEREFORE NO, WE DON'T EXPECT ANY DAMAGES. THERE SHOULD NOT BE ANY. THIS IS SOLELY FOR THE HYATT HOUSE AND THE PROPOSED DOCK EXPANSION PROJECT THAT IS PROPOSED. SO WE DO NOT EXPECT ANY DAMAGES TO HAPPEN. THAT'S REALLY IT IN A NUTSHELL FOR THIS. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY. SO MAYOR, REAL QUICK, JUST TO CONFIRM, WERE YOU SWORN IN THE ON THE FIRST ITEM. DID DID WE SWEAR IN WITNESSES. NO. OKAY. CAN WE JUST SWEAR HIM IN REAL QUICK AND THEN HE CAN JUST REAFFIRM AFTER HE'S BEEN SWORN IN? EVERYTHING HE'S JUST STATED. ACTUALLY, YOU CAN JUST START FROM SCRATCH AND REPEAT YOURSELF. I'M JUST KIDDING. I WASN'T SWORN IN. WELL, LET'S DO THAT. IF YOU'LL PLEASE RISE. AND THE CLERK WILL. THESE THESE ARE MY APOLOGIES TO THE COUNCIL. THAT'S. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE AND DID PROVIDE. BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. OKAY. DISCLOSURES, PLEASE. THANK YOU SIR. NO PROBLEM. COUNCIL MEMBER KROLL. DISCLOSURES ON ITEM 13 C. WHERE ARE THE LOCATION? NO. NO CONVERSATION WITH ANYBODY FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATIONS? NO COMMUNICATIONS. FAMILIAR WITH LOCATIONS. NO COMMUNICATIONS. THANK YOU. KRAMER. SCHULTZ. I'M SORRY, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE. NO CONTACTS FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE. NO CONTACT. AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE. AND NO CONTACT. THANK YOU. SO ONCE THIS ITEM IS COMPLETED, THEN BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO D WE'LL DO DISCLOSURES FOR 13 B WHICH WILL BE ADOPTED INTO THE RECORD. THANK YOU SIR. AND FOR THE RECORD JEFF ROGERS WITH DARYL HALL I'VE PRESENTED IN FRONT OF YOU NUMEROUS TIMES. SO I'VE BEEN CONSIDERED AN EXPERT ON THESE TOPICS BEFORE BY YOU GUYS. HIS CREDENTIALS ARE PROVIDED. OKAY. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND WE ARE AT THE POINT OF ASKING QUESTIONS TO MR. ROGERS TO COUNSEL VICE MAYOR. SO JUST SAME QUESTIONS AS THE LAST TIME. WHAT ANY CONTAMINANTS THAT YOU'VE DETECTED IN THE SOIL THAT WILL BE DREDGED AND WHERE DO YOU PLAN TO TAKE IT? IN THIS CASE, THERE WERE NO LEVELS OF, OF ANY METALS IN THE SEDIMENT SAMPLES THAT WERE TAKEN AND SENT OFF FOR STUDY ON THIS SIDE OF THE BAY. BUT THE PROPOSED PROJECT IS TO TAKE IT TO THE COUNTY LANDFILL, WHERE THEY WILL USE IT TO TOP IT OFF. NOW THAT CAN CHANGE IF THE CONTRACTOR HAS A PROVED SPOIL LOCATION, BUT AT THIS TIME IT'S PERMITTED TO GO TO THE COUNTY. IF IT DOES CHANGE, WE ARE REQUIRED TO NOTIFY THE PROPER AGENCIES OF THAT CHANGE. JUST SO YOU KNOW. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. CARL. YEAH. WHAT'S DIFFERENT ABOUT THIS IS A DIFFERENT LOCATION, IS MORE ECO SENSITIVE LOCATION THAN THAN SEAPORT, WHICH HAS NOTHING. IS THERE SEA GRASS GROWING AROUND THERE, OR HAS THERE BEEN ANY KIND OF STUDY NEEDED FOR THAT OR. YEAH, WE TOUCHED ON THAT BRIEFLY, BUT NO, THERE ARE NO SEA GRASSES IN THIS AREA. MANGROVES WERE REALLY THE ONLY RESOURCES WITHIN THE IMMEDIATE AREA OF THE PROJECT, AND ALL THOSE WILL BE RETAINED AND PROTECTED DURING THE PROCESS. AND, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THERE IS A HEAVY MANGROVE POPULATION THERE IS THERE A TIME OF YEAR TO DO THIS THAT'S BETTER? THAT DOESN'T AFFECT THIS CYCLE OF LIKE THE BABY MANGROVE SNAPPERS AND, YOU KNOW, THE HATCHLINGS AND, YOU KNOW, TO NOT TO AFFECT THE, THE CYCLE OF NOT, NOT NOT NOT SCIENTIFICALLY. NO. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE ISN'T THESE PROJECTS HAPPENED ALL THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. THIS TIME OF YEAR, THERE'S MORE FRESHWATER INFLUX TO THE SYSTEM IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, WITH THE RAINS THAT WE'RE HAVING. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IN BRIEFING, NO, THERE IS NO BETTER TIME OF THE YEAR TO DO THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS. AND WHAT ARE THESE DOCKS BEING USED FOR? ARE THEY VISITING DOCKS OR RENTAL BOAT DOCKS OR WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS? IT'S GOING TO USE THESE THINGS FOR TRANSIENT SLIPS IS TRANSIENTS, MEANING PEOPLE COULD COME THERE. OR IF YOU'RE STAYING AT THE HOTEL AND YOU HAVE A VESSEL, YOU COULD PUT YOUR BOAT IN AT THE NAPLES LANDING AND BRING YOUR BOAT THERE FOR A LONG WEEKEND. AND, OR, YOU KNOW, JUST TO STOP IN IF YOU'RE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO USE THE HYATT, [02:00:04] YOU KNOW, GO TO THE POOL FACILITY, THINGS LIKE THAT. NO LONG TERM MOORING. OKAY. OKAY, GREAT. AND THE SAME THING AS FAR AS REMOVAL IS GOING TO BE REMOVED. SAME PLAN. YES, SIR. YEAH. SO THIS IS THIS IS BASICALLY MECHANICAL DREDGING SPOIL CONTAINED ON THE BARGES. DEWATERED. THEIR TURBIDITY CURTAINS ARE THE FLOATING YELLOW THINGS THAT YOU SEE SOMETIMES IN THE WATER THAT, THAT ARE PUT AROUND PROJECTS TO CONTAIN THE SURFACE WATER AS THE, AS THE TURBULENCE THAT YOU'RE CREATING OF THE SOIL IS SETTLED BACK DOWN WITHIN THE PROJECT AREA. SO THAT WILL BE ALL TYPICAL NORMAL REQUIREMENTS. AND YOU MENTIONED BEFORE THAT THIS AREA HAS NEVER BEEN DREDGED. IS THAT SOME OF THIS AREA? I MEAN, WE COULD AGAIN, WE COULDN'T FIND ANY WE GO BACK INTERNALLY IN OUR OFFICE, YOU KNOW, BACK TO 1952. AND YOU CAN SEE HISTORICALLY ALL THE MOST OF THE DREDGING ACTIVITIES IN THIS AREA OVER THE COURSE OF TIME. AND THIS SIDE OF THE BRIDGE IS ON ON THE EASTERN SIDE. WE COULD NOT REALLY FIND ANY EVIDENCE OF ANY HISTORICAL DREDGING ACTIVITIES THAT HAD BEEN DONE. HAVE THERE BEEN ACTIVITIES? YEAH, THERE'S BEEN, BUT WE DID COVER OUR BASES. WE COULDN'T PROVE IT. SO WE'RE GOING TO SAY THERE IS NO REAL DREDGE ACTIVITIES DONE IN THIS AREA BEFORE. SO I, I BORN AND RAISED HERE GROWING UP. IF THEY'VE DREDGED EVERYWHERE, YOU KNOW, OVER THE COURSE OF TIME. BUT WE COULDN'T PROVIDE EVIDENCE SHOWING THAT. I'M NOT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, SAY IT. THERE HAS BEEN WHEN I COULDN'T PROVE IT TO YOU. AND THIS IS REALLY A HIGH UP PROJECT. THIS IS NOT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING ON, YOU KNOW, THE ACCESS TO THE FURTHER. IS IT GOING TO INFRINGE ON THE CHANNEL MORE OF NO GOING INTO THE. NO, IT'S IT'S SOLELY FOR THE PROPOSED HYATT DOCK PROJECT. THAT'S THAT WILL COME IN FRONT OF STAFF FOR A BUILDING PERMIT IN THE NEAR FUTURE. SO IT'S IT'S THE DREDGE IS CONTAINED WITHIN A SUBMERGED LAND LEASE THAT WAS AUTHORIZED TO THEM THROUGH THE DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AND THE STATE. AND THE DREDGE IS WITH IMMEDIATELY WITHIN THE DOCKING FACILITY AREA, NOT OUTSIDE OF IT, NOT LIKE THE PREVIOUS PROJECT. YOU HEARD WHERE IT KIND OF EXPANDED OUT INTO THEIR INGRESS EGRESS CHANNEL. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FOUR FOOT CONTOUR AREA THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THIS AREA OF THE BAY ENCOMPASSES THE WHOLE DOCKING FACILITY FOR THEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THOSE QUESTIONS. COUNCIL MEMBER CROWELL. MISTER ROGERS, ARE ARE YOU I, I HEARD WHAT YOU JUST SAID, BUT IT APPEARS THAT YOU'RE ADDING DOCKS TO THE NORTH SIDE. WE'RE EXPANDING THEM. THE THERE'S TWO EXISTING SMALLER DOCKING FACILITIES. AND THE OVERALL PROJECT DOES THE PERMITS THAT THEY CURRENTLY HAVE FROM THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL AGENCIES AUTHORIZE AN EXPANSION OF THOSE DOCKS. YES, MA'AM. SO THAT'S ON THE NORTH SIDE. BUT ON THAT CHANNEL. IT THERE AREN'T THERE'S SOME DOCK. THERE'S A MARGINAL DOCK THAT DOES WRAP AROUND THE SIDE OF THE HYATT OVER THERE ON THE BROOKSIDE SIDE. AND THAT WILL BE EXPANDED SOUTHWARD CLOSER TO THE BRIDGE OUTSIDE OF THE MANGROVE FRINGE. AND THAT'LL BE LIKE LAY ALONG MOORING SIDE SIDE. TIE MOORING. SO THERE WILL BE THAT WATERWAY GETS TIGHT. SO WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO IMPACT THAT WATERWAY WITH DOCKS BECAUSE OF THE WIDTH OF WATERWAYS. A LOT TIGHTER. SO YOU COULD ALSO WE COULD FIT IN THERE PER THE RULES IS LAY ALONG MOORING OF DOCKING FACILITIES. AND WHAT'S THAT CALLED. LAY ALONG MARGINAL WHARF. BASICALLY WHERE YOU TIE THE DOCK UP A LONG SIDE. AN EXISTING DOCK. YES, YES. OKAY. BUT IT THOSE BOXES ARE NOT AN INDICATION OF. WHICH THE ONES THAT ARE JUST ADJACENT OF THOSE MANGROVES, THE CURRENT ONES YOU'RE LOOKING AT. THOSE ARE THAT'S A. I THINK THOSE ARE THE EXISTING SEAWALL. THAT'S TO THE. THEY HAVE A EAST. THEY HAVE. IF YOU DRIVE OVER THE BRIDGE AND YOU LOOK NORTH, THEY HAVE SOME SMALL BOATS THERE ON A POLY FLOAT. IT'S A POLY FLOAT SYSTEM. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS REFERRING TO. SO THOSE. THAT'S NOT THE AREA FOR WHICH YOU WILL BE JUST DOCKING. THEY'RE GOING TO. THE PROPOSED DOCK IS A MARGINAL DOCK THAT'S UP CLOSER TO THE SHORELINE. THOSE ARE A A FLOATING SYSTEM THAT THEY PULL LIKE A JET SKI UP ON TOP OF AND OR A SMALL VESSEL. IT'S CALLED A POLY FLOAT. AND THOSE WERE TIED UP TO THEIR EXISTING DOCK THERE. I'M NOT SURE THE PERMITTING HISTORY OF THAT MISS MAYOR. I'M NOT, I'M NOT. I KNOW THEY'RE THERE AND THEY'RE SHOWN ON THE AERIAL. YES, BUT WE WEREN'T INVOLVED IN THE PERMITTING OF THAT. [02:05:02] AND THERE'S NOTHING HAPPENING IN THAT AREA. THE DREDGE WILL WRAP AROUND THAT SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. YES, MA'AM. IT DOES. AND IT ENCOMPASSES THE PROPOSED DOCK THAT WRAPS AROUND THE PROPERTY ON THAT SIDE AS WELL. BUT IN REGARDS TO THOSE POLY FLOATS, THEY'RE THEY'RE CURRENTLY UP ALONG THE SHORELINE, NOT PART OF THIS REQUEST IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY. RIGHT. I JUST THANK YOU FOR THAT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BECAUSE I WAS NOT FAMILIAR WITH THOSE POLY. IT'S A THERE'S AN EXISTING DOCK THERE THAT THEY'RE JUST TIED UP TO. IT'S A PLASTIC FLOAT. THEY CALL IT POLY FLOATS IS WHAT IT IS. YEAH, EXACTLY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER? OH, WAIT, DID WE DO THE STAFF REPORT? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'LL GO TO THE STAFF REPORT. GOOD MORNING. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. KATIE LAUKKONEN NATURAL RESOURCES DIVISION. MY CREDENTIALS ARE ON FILE WITH THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. THIS IS A RESOLUTION DETERMINING DREDGE AND FILL PETITION. PRMR2602039. REQUESTING NEW DREDGING WITHIN THE GORDON RIVER ADJACENT TO THE HYATT HOUSE, LOCATED AT 133 ONE FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH, OWNED BY NAPLES FIFTH AVENUE HOTEL, LLC. SO THIS PROJECT DOES INVOLVE MECHANICAL DREDGING TO -FOUR FEET, MEAN LOW WATER ALONG THE PROPERTY SHORELINE, AS WELL AS A PORTION OF THE PROPOSED MARINA FOOTPRINT WITHIN THE GORDON RIVER, AND WILL CREATE A SPOIL VOLUME OF APPROXIMATELY 904YD³. DREDGE MATERIAL WILL BE TRANSPORTED VIA BARGE TO THE STAGING AREA AT NAPLES LANDING PARK, WHERE MATERIAL WILL BE TRUCKED OFF SITE. A SUBMERGED LAND A SUBMERGED RESOURCE SURVEY WAS CONDUCTED BY THE AGENT IN JULY OF THIS YEAR. THE SURVEY FOUND NO LIVING RESOURCES WITHIN THE DREDGE FOOTPRINT AND THEREFORE CONCLUDED THAT NO SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE BIOLOGICAL OR ECOLOGICAL IMPACTS ARE EXPECTED, AS MR. ROGERS MENTIONED. THERE WERE DOCUMENTED LIVING OYSTERS AND MANGROVES FOUND AMONGST THE RIPRAP, BUT THOSE ARE TO REMAIN UNTOUCHED AS A PART OF THIS PROJECT. THE PETITIONER HAS OBTAINED THE REQUIRED FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION AND ARMY CORPS PERMITS, AND WILL ADHERE TO THE SAME TURBIDITY MONITORING AND BMPS BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THOSE PERMITS. LEGAL NOTICES WERE PUBLISHED AS A PART OF THIS IN THE NAPLES DAILY NEWS TEN DAYS PRIOR TO THIS MEETING. THE PETITIONER ADDRESSED ALL OF THE FIVE CRITERIA THAT ARE REQUIRED FOR THE DREDGE PERMIT. AND YOU ALSO HEARD ABOUT THIS DREDGING BEING A RESULT OF THE PROPOSED EXPANSION OF THE DOCKS. THAT IS NOT A PERMIT THAT HAS BEEN RECEIVED YET BY THE CITY. SO WE HAVE NOT REVIEWED THAT PROJECT. IN LIGHT OF THAT UNTIL THE MARINA SPECIFICATIONS AND PLANS ARE REVIEWED BY STAFF FOR COMPLIANCE WITH CITY CODE, IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT TWO CONDITIONS BE ATTACHED TO THIS PETITION IF APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL. ONE OF THEM IS THE ISSUANCE OF THE MARINE PERMIT FOR DREDGING IS DEPENDENT UPON THE APPROVAL OF THE MARINA AND SUBSEQUENT ISSUANCE OF THAT PERMIT, AND THE SECOND RECOMMENDED CONDITION IS THAT STAFF RECEIVE THE REVISED SUBMERGED LAND LEASE BY THE STATE THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THIS PROJECT AS WELL. AND THAT CONCLUDES STAFF REPORT. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS? YES. YOU GUYS COOL WITH THAT? YES, SIR. WE DISCUSSED IT WITH THEM. OKAY. THANKS. I GOT ONE QUICK QUESTION. I NOTICED THAT THE DREDGING PLAN GOES RIGHT TO THE MANGROVES. IS THAT IT'S USUALLY UNUSUAL. USUALLY. IS THAT IS THAT THE CASE? IS IT ARE THEY GOING TO BE ACTUALLY DOING A MECHANICAL DREDGE RIGHT TO THE MANGROVE OR MORE JUST AROUND THE HYATT HOUSE? WE SHOW IT RIGHT UP TO THE MANGROVE FRINGE, THE LEAF, THE LEAF LINE. THAT'S THAT'S LIKE A LITTLE IT'S A LITTLE UNUSUAL TO ME SEEING SOME OF THESE PLANS BEFORE. IT'S USUALLY THE DREDGES CONTAIN WHERE THE BOAT ACCESS WOULD COME IN. WHY? WHY WOULD IT? WHY IS IT GOING OUT SO FAR? I MEAN, IS MY QUESTION. I MEAN, BECAUSE THE DOCKS HAVE TO GO OUT PAST THE MANGROVE FRINGE, SO THERE'S NO IMPACT DIRECT IMPACTS TO THE MANGROVES. SO ONCE THE DOCKS ARE IN LATERAL BRANCHES CAN BE TRIMMED BACK. BUT THE DOCKS WILL BE, YOU KNOW, OUT WATER WARD OF THE MANGROVE FRINGE LINE. SO THE DREDGE GOES RIGHT UP TO THAT MANGROVE FRINGE LINE AS WELL. AND IT'S NOT REALLY A IT'S NOT A BOX CUT. IT'S GOING TO BE A SLOPED, YOU KNOW, SHORELINE STILL KIND OF A NATURAL. YOU KNOW IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A HARD DIG BACK. YOU KNOW, IT'S SOFT MATERIAL IN THE FIRST PLACE. SO IT'S JUST GOING TO WANT TO SLIDE ANYWAYS, BUT THE MANGROVES AND THE OYSTERS ASSOCIATED UP UNDERNEATH THE LEAVES, AND THEN THE ROOTS OF THE MANGROVES WILL NOT BE TOUCHED. OKAY, SO MANGROVES ARE GOING TO BE PRESERVED. YEAH. THEY'LL BE PRESERVED. THEY'LL BE AS IS TODAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. [02:10:12] FURTHER COMMENTS FROM STAFF. I DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL DISCUSSIONS, APPROVAL, A MOTION. I'LL ROLL WITH IT. I MOVE TO APPROVE ITEM 13CA RESOLUTION DETERMINING DREDGE AND FILL PETITION PRMR2602039 WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE REQUESTED BY STAFF. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CRAMER AND A SECOND BY VICE MAYOR. VICE MAYOR. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER. CRULL. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHULTZ. VICE MAYOR. BLANKENSHIP. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. CRAMER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. YES. MAYOR. HARTMAN. YES. THANK YOU. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THAT CONCLUDES ITEM 13 C GOING BACK TO 13 B. THANK YOU, MISTER ROGERS. IF YOU'LL JUST STAY SO THAT WE CAN DO THE FOR THE RECORD. JUST JUST DISCLOSURES BECAUSE THE CLERK DID A GOOD JOB OF SAYING WHEN SHE TOOK THE OATH, ANYTHING YOU HAD SAID OR THAT YOU ARE GOING TO SAY HAS NOW BEEN UNDER OATH. SO I JUST NEED THE DISCLOSURES FROM YOU ALL, WHICH PURSUANT TO STATUTE, DON'T HAVE TO HAPPEN WHEN THE ITEM IS HEARD, AS LONG AS IT HAPPENS IN THE SAME MEETING, AND THEN WE CAN ADOPT IT INTO THE RECORD OF 13 B. BUT WE DID NOT DO DISCLOSURES FOR 13 B CORRECT. WHICH IS WHICH IS WHAT I WOULD REQUEST YOU ALL DO RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I WAS CONFIRMING. I START WITH COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ. NO PROBLEM GENTLEMEN. NO CONTACT. SORRY. FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE? NO CONTACTS. I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE. NO CONTACT. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR CRAMER, FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE? NO CONTACT. BARTON FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE? NO COMMUNICATIONS. FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE? NO COMMUNICATION. AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE. NO COMMUNICATIONS WITH THAT. THAT CONCLUDES THE DISCLOSURES FOR 13 B YES THANK YOU THANK YOU. SO WE HAVE COMPLETED 13 B AND 13 C. I JUST REALIZED WE DON'T. AND WE ARE FIVE MINUTES AWAY FROM OUR TIME CERTAIN OF 11:00. SO WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. HAPPY TO TAKE A BREAK BECAUSE THOSE ARE GREAT, BUT 13 AYE JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, I DID DO A TIME CERTAIN BECAUSE ANDREW WAS GOING TO BE HERE, BUT I CAN ACTUALLY HANDLE THIS ITEM WITHOUT HIM. JUST BECAUSE I DON'T SEE IT LASTING VERY LONG DUE TO THE FACT THAT I STILL HAVE TO GO TO PAB AND COME BACK TO YOU. SO HAPPY TO TAKE A BREAK, BUT I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THE TIME CERTAIN CAN EITHER HAPPEN, WE CAN MOVE IT. I'LL BE HERE ALL DAY WITH YOU GUYS, SO IT'S UP TO YOU ALL. OKAY, WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND WE'LL COME BACK WITH ITEM 13 A. OKAY, WE'RE BACK FROM OUR BREAK AND WE ARE CONTINUING ON WITH A TIME CERTAIN OF ITEM 13, A MR. [13.A) Discussion of Dickman Law Firm Memorandum related to City of Naples Municipal Airport Policies in the Comprehensive Plan (11:00am Time Certain).] MCCONNELL. YES. THANK YOU MAYOR. SO IF YOU ALL WILL RECALL, AND I THINK THE AGM PREPARED BY MISS MARTIN DOES A GOOD JOB OUTLINING THE TIMELINE. I BELIEVE IT WAS RIGHT BEFORE BREAK. SO TAKING A STEP BACK FOR A MINUTE, IN APRIL, THERE WAS A DOCUMENT HANDED OUT TO YOU BY ANDREW. IT WAS PREPARED BY DICKMAN LAW FIRM. APRIL 11TH. AS WE ALL KNOW, A LOT HAS CHANGED SINCE APRIL 11TH. FOUR DAYS LATER, HB 4005 WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR BECAME LAW. MONTHS AFTER THAT WE INITIATED A 164 PROCESS AGAINST THE AIRPORT AS YOU ALL HAVE KNOWN. BUT ULTIMATELY WE THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT. I THINK COUNCIL REQUESTED THAT THIS BE BROUGHT TO YOU FOR JUST A SIMPLE DISCUSSION, SINCE IT HAD NEVER BEEN SPOKEN ABOUT PUBLICLY, BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE EXTENDED THE TIMELINE FOR THE COMP PLAN, I BELIEVE, TILL NOVEMBER. PLANNING BOARD. YES. NOVEMBER PLANNING BOARD. SO THE IDEA HERE IS TO GET HAVE A HIGH LEVEL CONVERSATION, MAYBE GET A LITTLE BIT OF FEEDBACK WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THIS WILL EITHER MOVE FORWARD SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT DEPENDING ON DECISIONS MADE IN THE NEAR FUTURE. AND MORE COMPREHENSIVE AS PART OF THE REVIEW OF THE PLANNING BOARD PRIOR TO BEING IMPLEMENTED IN THE DOCUMENT AND FIRST READING PREPARED TO COUNSEL ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO WITH THAT BACKDROP, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THE DOCUMENT ITSELF. [02:15:03] I KNOW MISS MARTIN IS HERE AS WELL. BUT REALLY THIS WAS ADDED TO THIS MEETING AT THE REQUEST OF COUNCIL TO DISCUSS THIS IN SEPTEMBER. OKAY. THANK YOU, MISS MARTIN. ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? NOPE. I'M JUST HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. SHOULD YOU HAVE ANY? SO THE PROCESS OF THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS MARTIN. SO THE PROCESS THAT. CAN YOU JUST UPDATE US WHERE WE'RE AT AS FAR AS HOW THIS RELATES TO THE COMP PLAN AND HOW WE'LL REVIEW THIS INFORMATION AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN. SO AS MR. MCCONNELL MENTIONED, THIS HANDOUT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU IN APRIL OF THIS YEAR. SINCE THEN, NOT ONLY HAS A LOT CHANGED WITH RESPECT TO AIRPORT RELATED MATTERS, BUT ALSO THE COMP PLAN HAS, HAS EVOLVED AS WELL. SO I THINK THIS DOCUMENT WILL PROBABLY EVOLVE IN RESPONSE TO THAT, BUT THE STATUS OF THE COMP PLAN, I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING WAS CONTINUED OR DELAYED, IF YOU WILL, OR THE DEADLINE WAS EXTENDED OR THE PROJECT SCHEDULE WAS EXTENDED. SORRY. TO THE NOVEMBER PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AND WHAT, WHAT THE PEB WILL BE HEARING IN NOVEMBER IS REALLY JUST A CONSIDERATION OF THE PUBLIC INPUT THAT IS PROVIDED BETWEEN JUNE AND NOVEMBER. IT WILL NOT BE A REVIEW OF THE DRAFT PLAN ITSELF IN NOVEMBER WITH THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. IT'LL JUST BE A REVIEW OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE'VE RECEIVED OVER THIS EXTENDED REVIEW PERIOD, THEN THOSE COMMENTS WITH THE INPUT WILL BE PROVIDED TO CITY COUNCIL IN DECEMBER FOR YOU TO CONSIDER THE PUBLIC INPUT THAT COMING OUT OF CITY COUNCIL, WE'RE ANTICIPATING DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL ON HOW TO INCORPORATE THAT INPUT INTO THE DRAFT PLAN THAT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED. SO THE PLAN IS STILL EVOLVING. WE COMING IN JUNE, WE THOUGHT WE HAD A DRAFT THAT WE WERE BRINGING BEFORE YOU FOR APPROVAL. WE UNDERSTAND THAT NOW THAT WILL BE AMENDED. THERE WILL, THERE WILL BE FURTHER AMENDMENTS TO THE DRAFT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO THE DISCUSSION WITH RELATION TO THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU HAVE TODAY IS, YOU KNOW, FURTHER, WE ANTICIPATE FURTHER AMENDMENTS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. THIS IS THE TIME FOR US TO DISCUSS OR MAKE COMMENTS OR BECAUSE IT WILL BE COMING BACK. CORRECT. MR. MCCONNELL? YEAH. I THINK JUST AT A HIGH LEVEL CONCEPT. WHAT ANDREW AND I TRIED TO DO, AND THE CONSULTANTS KIND OF DEFAULTED TO US JUST BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THE AIRPORT RELATED MATTERS. THERE ARE FOUR SEPARATE REFERENCES TO THE AIRPORT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TWO DIFFERENT ELEMENTS, FUTURE LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION. AND THIS IS NOT A NEW CONCEPT. THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT PREVIOUSLY IS, YOU KNOW, DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO MAYBE DEVELOP YOUR OWN AIRPORT ELEMENT, RIGHT, WHERE ALL THINGS RELATED TO AIRPORT WOULD BE IDENTIFIED INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO TO THE FUTURE LAND USE AND TRANSPORTATION. SO THAT WAS ULTIMATELY KIND OF THE IMPETUS OF THIS DOCUMENT AND HOW WE GOT TO WHERE WE DID. YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING THERE NOW I SAY NOW AN INDEPENDENT SPECIAL DISTRICT. THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS THAT WE WANT TO ADD TO INTER INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS AS WELL. BUT TO MISS MARTIN'S POINT, I THINK AT A HIGH LEVEL, IF YOU GUYS IF THERE'S AN APPETITE TO TO WORK AND FLESH THIS OUT AS A SEPARATE ELEMENT THROUGH THE OTHER CHANGES THAT ARE BEING IMPLEMENTED BY THE CONSULTANTS, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO SO IF THE IF THE THOUGHT NOW IS WE DON'T NEED ONE, THEN WE WON'T SPEND TIME DOING THAT AS WELL. SO IT'S REALLY THAT HIGH LEVEL OF A QUESTION TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE USING OUR TIME WISELY THROUGH THE UPDATES BEING PROVIDED PRIOR TO PRESENTATION TO YOU. MR.. YOUNG YEAH, AND THE ONE THING THAT I WOULD ADD TO THAT IS, IS FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, ONE OF THE REASONS WE BROUGHT IT BASED ON YOUR REQUEST WAS TO SAY, BRING IT. WE WANT TO DISCUSS IT FIRST, THEN IT'S GOING TO GO TO PAB RIGHT NOW. WE HAD SCHEDULED IT TO GO IN SEPTEMBER, PAB. SO NOT ONLY IF WE'RE NOT GOING TO DISCUSS IT OTHER THAN AT A HIGH LEVEL AND RECOGNIZE THERE COULD BE A LOT OF CHANGES. NOW WE ALSO DON'T WANT STAFF TO PRESENT SOMETHING AND THEN GET IT OUT OF ORDER AGAIN AND SAY, SO WE WOULD HOLD OFF IN HAVING THE IN DEPTH CONVERSATION ON THE AIRPORT SECTION. TO COINCIDE WITH COMING BACK TO YOU ONCE A FEW THINGS ON THE AIRPORT HAD LANDED. SO I JUST WANTED TO PREFACE THAT BECAUSE WE WANT TO LEVEL SET THE THE BOARD THAT YOU APPOINT HAS AN EXPECTATIONS THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH YOUR DESIRE AS WELL. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I DON'T WE DON'T LEAVE THE ROOM HAVING THAT UNDERSTANDING AS WELL. SO STAFF CAN WALK INTO THE SEPTEMBER MEETING AND SAY, EITHER WE ARE GOING TO HAVE THIS AS A DISCUSSION OR WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE IT IN [02:20:04] APPRECIATION OF WAITING FOR SOME OF THOSE THINGS ON THE UNDECIDEDS IN THE AIRPORT. AND THAT'S IN FLUX BECAUSE OF THE 164 AND 4005 THAT WE LET THAT FLUSH OUT BEFORE WE HAVE THIS SAME CONVERSATION AT THE PAB. SO I JUST WANT TO ADD THAT, BECAUSE I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I WOULD HOPE THAT WE'D HAVE THAT EXPECTATION ANSWERED AT THE SAME TIME HERE SO THAT WE'RE CARRYING FORWARD WHAT YOU WOULD WANT TO YOUR BOARD. THANK YOU. I HAVE KRAMER, THANKS FOR THAT BECAUSE I I'M KIND OF OF THAT SAME MIND THAT LIKE, RIGHT. IT'S AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT PLAYING FIELD AT THIS POINT. AND I MEAN, APRIL. SEEMS LIKE A LIFETIME AGO NOW REGARDING THE AIRPORT. HAVING SAID THAT, I THINK I'M LOOKING FORWARD WHETHER THIS COUNCIL OR FUTURE COUNCILS EXAMINE ALL THE ACTIVE ELEMENTS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SEE IF THAT JUICE HAS BEEN WORTH THE SQUEEZE, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK SO. BUT IF THERE IS GOING TO BE ONE, CERTAINLY THE LARGEST ASSET WOULD PROBABLY BE NEAR THE TOP OF THAT LIST IF WE WERE GOING TO HAVE, AS OUR ATTORNEY SUGGESTED, HAVE HAVE THAT ELEMENT WHERE IT'S, IT'S CONDENSED AND IT HAS GREATER SPECIFICITY WITH WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO I THINK THERE'S NOT MUCH REALLY TO TALK ABOUT. I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, COUNCILS WILL IS CLEAR REGARDING HAVING THAT PART OF THE COMP PLAN. AND UNTIL, I MEAN, WE'RE RIGHT AT THE, I MEAN, THE INFLECTION POINT, WE'RE ALMOST AT THE TIPPING POINT REGARDING THE AIRPORT IN A LOT OF AREAS. AND IT WON'T BE LONG UNTIL THAT FLESHES ITSELF OUT, WILL HAVE HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT. AND THEN COUNCIL CAN WEIGH IN AND WILL BE WAY MORE INFORMED IN A MONTH THAN WE ARE RIGHT NOW. WELL, I MEAN, ONE THING I'M LOOKING AT THIS THAT WE TALK ABOUT THINGS TO COMPLY WITH LAWS AND ALL THAT. AND, BUT I, I'D LIKE TO KIND OF MENTION I GET A LEGAL OPINION ON IT THAT ABOUT THE LANDLORD TENANT RELATIONSHIP. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE SPECIFIED AND THAT A NORMAL LANDLORD TENANT RELATIONSHIP EXISTS. AND THERE'S COMMON LAWS REGARDING THAT. YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN, IF YOU OWN A PROPERTY AND YOUR TENANT IS DOING SOMETHING TO IT, YOU KNOW, YOUR OWNER GETS APPROVED, IT HAS APPROVAL RIGHTS AND ALL THAT. SO I JUST THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED INTO. I DON'T KNOW HOW HE FEELS ABOUT THAT, BUT. HAPPY TO DO SO. GENERALLY SPEAKING, AND JUST OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD BASED ON, ON THE QUESTION ASKED, I'M HAPPY TO LOOK INTO IT FURTHER. BUT COMPREHENSIVE PLANS DON'T NORMALLY REFERENCE OTHER STATUTES. RIGHT. BECAUSE THERE'S THERE'S A WHOLE SECTION ON FLORIDA STATUTES, ON LANDLORD TENANT LAWS, ON NOTICE REQUIREMENTS, 24 HOUR, YOU KNOW, YEAR TO YEAR THINGS THAT WE CAN IMPOSE AT ANY TIME BECAUSE IT'S A STATE LAW. BUT AGAIN, I'M HAPPY TO LOOK INTO IT. WE DON'T NEED TO SPECIFY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT DETAIL, BUT JUST TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT THERE'S THIS LANDLORD TENANT RELATIONSHIP AND, YOU KNOW, NORMAL, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT THE NORMALITY OF, OF WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT. UNDERSTOOD. I'M HAPPY TO HAPPY TO LOOK INTO IT. ALONG THAT LINE, I'M ASSUMING SOME OF THAT. THANK YOU THAT SOME OF THAT IS HAPPENING THROUGH THE 164 PROCESS. POTENTIALLY CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. I JUST THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION AND THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT. BUT WE NEED I'LL GO TO THE PLANNER. MISS MARTIN, THE DOCUMENT FOR OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. CAN YOU JUST OUTLINE WHAT THE, THE LAW OF THIS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS. SO SEPARATE AND APART FROM THE AIRPORT, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ITSELF. YES. THERE IS A STATUTORY REQUIREMENT. IT'S IN FLORIDA. STATUTES PROVIDE CHAPTER 163 FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE MUNICIPALITY. AIRPORT IS NOT REQUIRED TO BE ADDRESSED. THERE ARE REQUIRED ELEMENTS IN YOUR IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. YOU'RE ALSO ALLOWED TO HAVE ELECTIVE ELEMENTS. WE'VE ELECTED TO INCLUDE CERTAIN ELEMENTS SUCH AS THE VISION ELEMENT THAT'S ELECTIVE. WE'VE IN THIS PROCESS IDENTIFIED A RESILIENT, THE ADDITION OF A RESILIENCY ELEMENT THAT'S ELECTIVE AS WELL. SO WE CAN ELECT TO PUT DIFFERENT ELEMENTS INTO THE COMP PLAN THAT ARE IN ADDITION TO THOSE THAT ARE REQUIRED. WE'RE ALSO NOT, THIS IS ESSENTIALLY AN ELECTIVE PROCESS WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE'RE NOT WITHIN THAT STATUTORILY REQUIRED UPDATE TIME FRAME. [02:25:01] WE'RE CONSISTENT. WE DID THAT UPDATE ALREADY. WE'RE GOOD TO GO. THIS IS KIND OF IN THE INTERIM UNTIL OUR NEXT REQUIRED STATUTORILY REQUIRED UPDATE. IN THE INTERIM, WE HAVE ELECTED TO UNDERGO THIS PROCESS TO REALLY ESSENTIALLY TRUE UP OUR COMP PLAN WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE VISION THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2020. AND JUST THE PUBLIC INPUT THAT WE, THAT WE'VE GAINED THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THANK YOU. BECAUSE I JUST, I THINK ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS, JUST TO REITERATE, THAT IS VERY IMPORTANT. SOMETIMES THOSE DETAILS ARE MISSED AND THIS IS AN ELECTED PROCESS THAT WE'RE DOING. THERE IT, IT REALLY WAS PART OF MY AGENDA AS MAYOR. WHEN I FIRST STARTED THAT WE LOOK AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE IT HAD BEEN ERODED AND NOT JUST BY MY OPINION, BUT EVEN FORMER MEMBERS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MAKING SURE THAT IT'S THE STRONGEST DOCUMENT TO PROTECT OUR CITY FROM GROWTH OR ANY OTHER ELEMENTS FROM, FROM IS VERY IMPORTANT. IT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT DOCUMENT THAT THIS COUNCIL REVIEWS. SO AND YOU CAN TELL THIS STARTED IN 2019 AND WE'RE IN 2026. SO THIS ELECTED ELEMENT ISN'T MOVING VERY FAST AS IT, IT ANYWAY. SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET THIS RIGHT AND IT'LL BE THE STRENGTH THAT WE NEED FOR YEARS AND YEARS TO COME. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. AND THANK YOU. YOU'RE COMPLETE. OKAY. COUNCIL VICE MAYOR. THANKS. AND THANKS FOR THE REMINDER OF THE TIMELINE. WE DID HAVE COVID AND A COUPLE OF HURRICANES IN THAT TIME FRAME THAT KIND OF DERAILED THINGS AS WELL. UNFORTUNATELY. LISTENING TO THE DISCUSSION AND THINKING ABOUT THIS, MAYBE IT DOES MAKE SENSE TO HAVE A SEPARATE ELEMENT THAT CAN THEN CLARIFY THE NEW RELATIONSHIPS AND THE NEW STATUS OF THE AIRPORT BOARD AND HOW WE WORK WITH THEM. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THERE'S MAYBE AT LEAST THREE ASPECTS. ONE IS THE LANDLORD TENANT ASPECT OF THE RELATIONSHIP. THE OTHER IS A REGULATORY ASPECT THAT WE HAVE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND STORM WATER MANAGEMENT CODE AND OTHER CODES THAT WE MANAGE AND REGULATE ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS. FOR EVERYBODY, THE AIRPORT AND EVERYBODY ELSE. AND THEN THE THIRD ASPECT WOULD BE THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL ASPECT, JUST LIKE WE HAVE WITH COLLIER COUNTY OR OTHER AGENCIES THAT WE NEED TO COORDINATE AND COOPERATE. BUT MAYBE SPENDING SOME TIME TRYING TO CLARIFY WHAT THOSE RELATIONSHIPS ARE AND WHAT THE PARAMETERS ARE AROUND EACH OF THEM MAY HELP PEOPLE BECAUSE IN THE CONVERSATIONS, IT SEEMS LIKE WE TEND TO BLUR THEM AND RECOGNIZE SOME. SOME PARTS OF THAT PARTICULAR RELATIONSHIP HAVE LIMITS. AND LIKE THE REGULATORY PART MAY HAVE LIMITS THAT THE LANDLORD TENANT RELATIONSHIP DOESN'T BECAUSE WE OWN IT. SO IT MAY BE HELPFUL TO THINK ABOUT HOW, HOW THAT WORKS AND HOW THAT CAN BE CLARIFIED AS WE GO FORWARD. AND I AGREE, SETTLING THE LAWSUIT AND THE 164 AND ALL THOSE OTHER ASPECTS WILL PLAY INTO THAT BECAUSE THAT WILL HELP CLARIFY THE RELATIONSHIP THAT THEN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CAN REFLECT WHAT WE'VE ULTIMATELY AGREED TO. AND MAYOR, CAN I JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT? THIS IS GREAT FEEDBACK SO FAR. BUT YOU KNOW, WHERE THIS ALSO STARTED FROM IS, IS 163.3177 IS WHAT ESSENTIALLY DICTATES THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE REQUIRED ELEMENTS, THE OPTIONAL ELEMENTS. BUT IRONICALLY, IT ACTUALLY INCLUDES A PROVISION IN 163.3177 THAT SAYS AT THE OPTION OF A LOCAL GOVERNMENT, YOU CAN ACTUALLY INCORPORATE THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN AND ANY AMENDMENTS INTO YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IF THE AIRPORT IS WITHIN YOUR JURISDICTION. RIGHT. SO FLORIDA STATUTE ALSO GIVES YOU THE ABILITY TO INCORPORATE THAT MASTER PLAN ALONG WITH SPECIFIC LAND USES PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 333. SO THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT JUST THE OPTION IS THERE. WE HAVE AN AIRPORT WITHIN OUR JURISDICTION. SO IT JUST KIND OF MADE SENSE TO PRESENT SOMETHING. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THE DISCUSSION TO MENTION. OVERALL I THINK IT'S A GOOD START. I HAVE MANY COMMENTS. AND TO MR. YOUNG'S POINT AND FOR MISS MARTIN I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO [02:30:04] MAKE SURE THIS IS A DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE REVIEWED BEFORE. WE SUBMIT IT ON TO PAB, AND THEN IT HAS TO COME BACK TO US BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO ADD THINGS OR NOT TAKE OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT. THERE ARE MANY DETAILS THOUGH. I THINK THAT THE VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER, KROLL MENTIONED THE 25 YEAR STORM WATER STANDARDS SHOULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT. SO THANK YOU. ALSO THAT 4005. HOWEVER, THAT ENDS UP WE STILL DON'T KNOW. BUT THAT WILL HAVE TO BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT FROM THIS DOCUMENT. I THINK FOR YOU, MR. MCCONNELL, AND IN LOOKING AT IT AND MISS MARTIN IS I CAN'T TELL WHETHER WHAT'S BEEN DELETED OR WHAT HAS BEEN WEAKENED IN THIS DOCUMENT. AND IT'S NOT CLEAR WHICH IS, YOU KNOW WHAT? ONE REASON THAT WE WERE TRYING TO CLEAR UP THE UTILIZATION PROCESS APPROVAL PLAN THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR IN THAT I THINK JUST FOR FUTURE COUNCILS, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE 164 PROCESS, IS THAT CORRECT? MR.. YES. MR.. YES. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. I THINK THAT THE AIRPORT ALSO IT'S WHETHER WE ACCEPT OR APPROVE LANGUAGE THAT HAS BECOME BECOME A PROBLEM AND IT NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENT. THROUGHOUT THE DRAFT. NOISE PROVISIONS THAT ARE IN THIS DOCUMENT ENFORCING NOISE ABATEMENT PROCEDURES. THAT'S POLICY SEVEN THREE NEEDS TO BE CAREFULLY LOOKED AT. BECAUSE IT IS A VOLUNTARY PROCEDURE, NOT A IT'S NOT AN F A AYE PROCEDURE FOR NOISE ABATEMENT. BUT IT ALSO IMPLICATES WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THE AIRPORT AIRPORT NOISE AND CAPACITY ACT OF PART 161 IS STILL VERY CLEAR IN THE PROCESS. AND I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THINGS GETTING ELIMINATED. THAT'S ALL. THESE ARE THINGS THAT ARE THERE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T. THEY STAY THERE. THE THE, YOU KNOW, THOSE SHOULD BE LOOKED AT AND SHOULD NOT BE REMOVED. THAT'S POLICY 118. ALSO THE IT'S ON PAGE SIX. IT'S PASSENGER AND FREIGHT TERMINALS ARE PRIMARY USES. THAT'S THAT'S LANGUAGE DESERVES SOME I DON'T KNOW, SCRUTINY OR DISCUSSION OR CLARIFICATION. I THINK NON-AVIATION COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY IS VERY BROAD IN THESE DEFINITIONS. AND ALSO THE RUNWAY UNDER POLICY 11. ONE OF THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED FOR RUNWAY IMPLICATIONS. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME SOME DISCUSSION ON RATIFYING THAT DECLARED DISTANCE OF THE RUNWAY AND EXPANSIONS OF THE DISPLACED THRESHOLDS. ALSO POLICY 115. THE NOISE CONTOURS THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT FUTURE MAPS IT SHOULDN'T BE AUTOMATICALLY INCORPORATED INTO THE FUTURE EXTERNAL MAPS WITHOUT REQUIRED PUBLIC COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT PROCESS. AND I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THE DOCUMENT LACKS SOME JUST BASIC STANDARDS OF HEIGHT, LOW BUILDINGS, HIGH BUILDINGS [02:35:03] ANYTHING THAT THE AIRPORT I KNOW WOULD SUPPORT MAKING SURE FOR THOSE FINAL REVIEWS OF THESE FACILITIES. WE JUST WANT TO CLEAR UP THE AMBIGUITY OF THE OF THE COMP PLAN. SO WE DON'T HAVE FUTURE LITIGATION CONCERNS. AND THIS WILL ALL BE VETTED THROUGH THE, THE STAFF AND THROUGH LEGAL ON WHETHER IT'S RELEVANT OR NOT TO COME BACK TO US BEFORE WE TAKE IT TO PAB. SO IF I'M HEARING YOU, MAYOR, IS THAT YOU WANT TO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M INTERPRETING IS YOU RECOGNIZE THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN HERE THAT EVEN HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED IN THE 164 THAT NEED TO BE VETTED MORE THOROUGHLY AND REWRITTEN AND CONTEXT OF KNOWING WHAT WAS THERE, WHAT WAS CHANGES, AND INCORPORATING ANYTHING THAT MAY COME FROM THAT. STILL HAVING IT COME BACK TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION BEFORE PRESENTING THE PAB? IS THAT A IS THAT AN APPROPRIATE SUMMARY? YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND THAT'S CONSISTENT WITH MEANING THAT LETTING THE 164 WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE THAT STILL BREAK OUT FURTHER BEFORE AND THEN KNOW THE IMPLICATIONS. IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? WELL, YES, BUT THERE ARE ALSO THINGS THAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN 164 THAT OR DISCUSSIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN 164 THAT MIGHT AFFECT WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE COMP PLAN. AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE PROTECTED WHAT'S THERE. IS THAT DID I ANSWER THE QUESTION? I BELIEVE SO I WAS TRYING TO GET THE INTERPRETATION SO THAT I UNDERSTOOD WHAT OUR DIRECTIVE WAS GOING FORWARD, WHICH WAS AND AGAIN, I WAS, IF I PARAPHRASED IT INCORRECTLY, WAS TO ALLOW. THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT ARE STILL GOING TO CHANGE THIS DOCUMENT TO SOME OF THAT TO UNFOLD, THEN HAVE STAFF BRING BACK TO YOU AS THAT HAS BEEN CONCLUDED, OR SOME OF THESE THINGS COME IN, BECOME A BRIGHTER PICTURE AND THEN PRESENT IT TO YOU NOT ONLY JUST IN WHAT IT IS THAT'S BEING PRESENTED, BUT ALSO WHAT'S CHANGED FROM THE CURRENT VERSION OF THE COMP PLAN. BUT ALSO MORE, MOST IMPORTANTLY, BUT TO HAVE IT BACK TO YOU FOR THIS SIMILAR DISCUSSION PRIOR TO PRESENTING ANYTHING TO BE ON THE AIRPORT RELATED OTHER THAN THE ENTIRE THING THAT'S ALREADY THERE. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING THAT CLEARLY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I INTERPRETED MATTHEW. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? SO JUST TO CIRCLE BACK, NO PROBLEM AT ALL. WORK WITH STAFF. WE'LL SEE HOW THIS MONTH SHAKES OUT. AND THEN I'LL WORK WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND MISS MARTIN AND MR. DICKMAN TO DETERMINE WHEN WE'RE READY TO PRESENT THIS FOR COUNCIL BEFORE GOING TO BE. SO THIS. YEAH. AND THIS WILL NOT BE HEARD. THIS DOCUMENT AS PRESENTED TODAY WILL NOT BE DISCUSSED BY THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD ON SEPTEMBER 9TH. CORRECT. WE'LL RESCHEDULE THAT UNTIL SUCH TIME AS IT'S BROUGHT BACK TO COUNCIL FOR DIRECTION AND DISCUSSION. AND THEN QUICK QUESTION, MAY I MAYOR. YES, PLEASE. KRAMER. SO US BUT STILL HAVE TO COME BACK TO US IN THE END AFTER A B, CORRECT? CORRECT. YEAH, JUST TO SAY IT OUT LOUD. BUT THE KEY TO THAT IS WHEN IT COMES BACK THE SECOND AFTER THAT, IT WOULD COME BACK TO YOU WITH THE WHOLE DOCUMENT. THE HOPE IS TO HAVE A SPECIFIC CONVERSATION SO THAT WE CAN INCORPORATE IN THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT. YES, SIR. THAT'S THAT'S MY ASSUMPTION. THANKS. OKAY. CORRECT. YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED. YEAH. NO, THIS WAS THIS WAS VERY HELPFUL. LIKE I SAID, I'LL WORK WITH MR. DICKMAN, MISS MARTIN, GARY. AND WE'LL FINE TUNE IT. THIS WAS VERSION 1.0. SO WE'LL FINE TUNE IT PROBABLY TOWARDS THE END OF THIS MONTH DEPENDING ON HOW SOME OF THESE OTHER MEETINGS SHAKE OUT. AND THEN WE CAN RECONVENE EITHER AT A WORKSHOP OR A FUTURE MEETING. AND SINCE WE HAVE THIS OPPORTUNITY, MISS MARTIN, COULD YOU UPDATE US ON HOW THE COALITION COALITION MEETINGS ARE HAPPENING OR HAVE HAPPENED? SURE. SO I'M NOT PARTICIPATING IN THOSE MEETINGS, BUT I HAVE SPOKEN TO DAVID, AS HAS BEEN APPOINTED BY THE COALITION, TO KIND OF HEAD THAT PROCESS. AND HE HAS BEEN THEY'VE BEEN HOLDING WEEKLY MEETINGS TO DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, IN SMALLER CHUNKS TO DISCUSS THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS OF THE COMP PLAN. SO THEY'VE GOT A PRETTY ORGANIZED SYSTEM GOING NOW. THEY HAVEN'T PROVIDED THEIR COMPREHENSIVE COMMENTS TO ME, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE WELL UNDERWAY. I'VE ALSO SPOKEN TO A COUPLE INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS OF THE COALITION JUST TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. THEY'VE, YOU KNOW, REACHED OUT AND I'VE MET WITH PEOPLE AND ANSWERED SOME QUESTIONS FOR THEM. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE UNDERWAY WITH THAT PROCESS. I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO MEET UP UNTIL THAT OCTOBER DEADLINE. SO THEY'RE NOT MEETING WITH YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T BEEN PART OF THEIR, YOU KNOW, ORGANIZED MEETINGS, BUT I'VE BEEN AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM FROM MEMBERS OF THE. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. AND THEN YOU'LL MEET WITH THEM ONCE THEY HAVE THEIR. [02:40:06] OR IN PUBLIC, THEY'LL PRESENT THAT. SO THEY WILL PROVIDE TO ME SIMILAR TO, YOU KNOW, OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. THEY WILL PROVIDE TO ME THEIR LIST OF COMMENTS OR SUGGESTED REVISIONS, WHICH I WILL THEN PROVIDE TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AND CITY COUNCIL. SO AGAIN, WILL THAT GO TO COUNCIL FIRST, THEN TO PB, THAT WILL GO TO PB FIRST AT THE NOVEMBER MEETING AND THEN COUNCIL IN DECEMBER. BUT THAT'S JUST TO DISCUSS THE COMMENTS. IT'S NOT A REVIEW OF THE DRAFT. IT'S JUST TO DISCUSS THE COMMENTS THAT ARE RECEIVED. OKAY. SO AGAIN, YOU DON'T. THINK THAT HAVING COME TO COUNCIL FIRST BEFORE GOING TO PAB? THAT WAS THE PROCESS THAT WAS ADOPTED IN JUNE 15TH. OH, RIGHT. WAS TO EXTEND THE PUBLIC REVIEW TO THE PAB MEETING IN NOVEMBER. AND KEEP IN MIND, MAYOR, THAT THAT THE REASON THE AIRPORT IS BEING HELD SEPARATELY IS, IS BECAUSE THERE'S COMPETING ACTIONS FROM COUNCIL AND MAKING SURE WE'RE. AND I DON'T MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT THE OTHER IS TO TAKE THE NORMAL PROCESS, WHICH IS PAB GET FEEDBACK AND THE OTHER. AND I WILL EXPAND A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN APPROACHED ON COALITION RELATED TO RESILIENCY AND OTHER TYPES OF THINGS AND MISS MARTIN AND I AND, AND THE PAB AS WELL. SO TO BE CLEAR WITH YOU, AS YOU KNOW, WE DID THE RESILIENCY PLAN AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT OUR PRIORITIES HERE LATER ON TODAY. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS IS, IS WE DID THE RESILIENCY PLAN LAST AUGUST. THERE WAS NOT A MEETING THAT GOES BY. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT RESILIENCY, INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE LIKE, BUT WHAT WE WILL BE DOING IS HAVING MISS MARTIN AND I AND MR. YILMAZ WILL BE MEETING IN OCTOBER WITH PAB TO UPDATE THEM ON EVERYTHING, INCLUDING WHAT YOU PASS IN THE ASSUMPTION OF THE THIS NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. SO THEY'RE UP TO SPEED WITH EVERYTHING YOU'RE ALREADY INITIATING BEFORE THEY HAVE THE BROADER DISCUSSION IN NOVEMBER SO THAT IT LAYS THAT FOUNDATION INSTEAD OF SAYING, WELL, LET'S KEEP THE BIG MEETING IN NOVEMBER, TRYING TO GET THROUGH THE WHOLE COMP PLAN. AND WE'RE STUCK IN RESILIENCY FOR A COUPLE HOURS. SO WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT AT THE PAB. AND MY MESSAGE TO THE PAB OR TO THE COALITION WAS, IS THAT'S GOING TO BE AN OCTOBER MEETING AND IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING. SO LET'S HAVE THE RESILIENCY DISCUSSION THERE. NOW, THERE'S A POSSIBILITY, TOO, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL. I MAY DO LIKE WE DID IN THE PRIOR YEAR, WHICH IS UPDATE THEM ON THE BUDGET AND THE RESILIENCY EFFORTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THERE IN THE UPCOMING SEPTEMBER MEETING. BUT THAT'S NOT A COALITION THING. THAT'S NOT A. WE'RE JUST CONTINUALLY WORKING ON WHERE THE PUBLIC DISCUSSION IS ON. THE COMP PLAN IS COMPREHENSIVE, AND IT'S GOT ENOUGH LEAD TIME IN IT THAT WE DON'T GET BOGGED DOWN IN ONE AREA. SO WE CAN, IN NOVEMBER, HOPEFULLY GET THROUGH THE ENTIRE COMP PLAN AND KEEP THIS PROCESS GOING, BECAUSE I'D REMIND YOU THAT THE BEST CASE SCENARIO UNDER THE CURRENT CONDITIONS IS PROBABLY AUGUST OF 2027, THAT WE'RE WRAPPING THIS UP WITH THE BACK AND FORTH AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND SO THAT'S PROBABLY UNDER THE MOST IDEAL SITUATION. SO I JUST SAY THAT SO YOU UNDERSTAND THE STEPS. WE'RE TRYING TO BE INCLUSIVE OF GROUPS LIKE THE COALITION, BUT NOT DO IT IN A PRIVATE SETTING AND SAY, HERE, WE'RE GOING TO CREATE PUBLIC OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE SURE THOSE SECTIONS THAT YOU'VE ASKED ABOUT ARE BEING DISCUSSED. SO I HOPE THAT THAT'S FAIR. AND I HOPE THAT'S ALSO LET'S, YOU KNOW, KIND OF THE INITIATIVES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO TO BRIDGE THE GAP IN THE COMMUNICATION ON THOSE BIG IMPORTANT ITEMS. AS WE GO THROUGH THE OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE COMP PLAN, WE RECOGNIZE THAT RESILIENCY IS AN IMPORTANT ONE. SO WE'RE ADDING THAT AS A SEPARATE DISCUSSION ITEM AGAIN. THANK YOU. AND HAVE WE HAD ANY MOVEMENT AT ALL WITH ANY APPROVALS ADMINISTRATIVELY SINCE WE'RE HERE I'M GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION ON THE AIRPORT AT ALL. WE HAVE NOT ISSUED ANY ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS ON ANY PROJECTS AT THE AIRPORT. OKAY. BECAUSE I KNOW THAT THERE WAS AN ARTICLE THAT AMERICAN AIRLINES IS DEFINITELY COMING. AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT THERE WERE APPROVALS NEEDED IN ORDER FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. THIS IS THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF THAT. OKAY. UNFORTUNATELY, STUFF GETS PUBLISHED IN THE PAPER, SO I'LL ADD A LITTLE CONTEXT TO THAT, THAT I SKIMMED THE ARTICLE. AND IT WAS MORE ALONG THE LINES OF THEY ARE TAKING RESERVATIONS, BUT APPROVAL IS STILL PENDING. SO IT WAS I. IT CAUSED A LOT OF CONFUSION OUT IN THE PUBLIC BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE, OH, NOW WE'RE DOING THIS. BUT JUST FOR THE RECORD, NOTHING HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR AMERICAN AIRLINES. AMERICAN AIRLINES IS TAKING RESERVATIONS. BUT THE APPROVAL, MY UNDERSTANDING IS APPROVAL IS STILL PENDING ON THAT. SO WE HAVE TO. OKAY. SO TO BE CLEAR, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH A COUPLE OF THINGS, THOUGH, IS MISS MARTIN'S RESPONSIBILITY. AND OUR BUILDING IS THAT IF THEY ARE CHANGING THE USE OF A, [02:45:07] OF AN EXISTING BUILDING AND, OR THEY'RE DOING CONSTRUCTION OR WHATEVER, IF THEY REMODEL THE INSIDE AND IT'S PERMITTED BECAUSE IT WAS JUST AN INTERNAL MOVING OF A WALL TO PUT IN A SECURITY OR ANY OF THOSE THINGS WITHIN THE TERMINAL, THAT'S NOT GOING TO COME COME BACK TO YOU ANYWAY. AND THERE'S NOTHING IN OUR, OUR, OUR WELL, I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO SAY I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANYTHING THAT IT SAYS A REQUIREMENT TO COME BACK TO YOU PROVIDED THEY'RE NOT HAVING A BUILDING ALTERATION. THAT IS OUTSIDE OF THE SITE PLAN FOR IT TO COME BACK. SO I DON'T I DON'T WANT EXPECTATIONS ARE THEY MUST COME TO YOU FIRST BECAUSE IF THERE IS A SECTION, I'M NOT AWARE OF IT. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WASN'T TRUE. THERE WASN'T A PERCEPTION LEAVING THIS ROOM THAT, WELL, NO MATTER WHAT, THEY CAN'T DO IT UNLESS IT COMES BACK BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE CASE AS LONG AS THEIR FACILITIES ARE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE IT. AND THEY'VE COMPLIED WITH ALL FAA AND NTSA AND OTHER REGULATIONS. SO THAT IS CORRECT. YES. AND IT MIGHT BE WHERE THE CLARIFICATION OF THE UTILIZATION PLAN AND APPROVED PROJECTS AND THE DETAILS OF WHAT IS WITHIN THAT UTILIZATION PLAN, CLARIFICATION, FUTURE UTILIZATION PLANS AND THE CONTENT OF THEM. AND ALL OF THE DETAIL AND SPECIFICITY HAVE BEEN BEEN BEING WORKED ON BOTH IN THE 164 PROCESS AND IN AND IN INDIVIDUAL AND COLLECTIVE DISCUSSIONS, BOTH BY COUNCIL AS IT RELATES TO EVEN IN US, INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY. BUT ULTIMATELY, IT WILL COME DOWN TO WHAT THE RESULTS OF THAT 164 IS AND, AND, OR WHAT THE YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THE 164 PROCESS OR THE LAWSUIT PROCESS, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO SAY, THAT ENTIRE PROCESS HAS MULTIPLE, IT'LL EITHER BE BAKED OUT VOLUNTARILY AND OR THROUGH AN AGREEMENT OR, OR IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE BAKED OUT EITHER WAY. SO THE POINT BEING IS THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S BEEN A NEW APPLICATION. WE HAD A PRE-APPLICATION MEETING UTILIZING THE EXISTING UTILIZATION PLAN, BUT NOTHING IS FULLY SUBMITTED YET. AND NONE OF THAT IS BEING CHANGED. RELATION TO WHETHER OR NOT THE WHATEVER THE AMERICAN AIRLINES COULD START, RIGHT? YEAH. NOTHING HAS COME BEFORE ME INDICATING AMERICAN AIRLINES. BUT LIKE GARY SAID, IF YOU HAVE A I'LL USE A DIFFERENT EXAMPLE. IF YOU HAVE A BANK THAT WAS BANK OF AMERICA, THEY GO OUT, NOT GO OUT OF BUSINESS, BUT THEY VACATE IN A DIFFERENT BANK OCCUPIES THAT BUILDING. THAT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY. THAT'S NOT GOING TO COME TO ME FOR ANY SORT OF A SPECIFIC APPROVAL. SO IF AN OPERATOR TAKES OVER A DESK IN THE TERMINAL THAT WAS FRONTIER, AND NOW IT'S AMERICAN, THAT WOULDN'T COME BEFORE STAFF. THAT'S AN OPERATIONAL CHANGE WITHIN THE BUILDING. SO THAT WOULDN'T REQUIRE A SITE PLAN OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S NOT AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL THAT I WOULD GRANT. I THINK I OPENED A CAN OF WORMS THAT I BUT IT I WILL HAVE A QUESTION. I'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU ABOUT THAT. AND MR. YOUNG, BECAUSE IF AN OPERATION IS COMING, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE TO HAVE A SITE PLAN APPROVAL BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE PARKING. SO THAT'S MY POINT IS IF THERE IS EXISTING SPACE IN THE AIRPORT TERMINAL THAT IS OCCUPIED BY FRONTIER, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THEIR DESK AND EVERYTHING. AND THEN THAT CHANGES FROM ONE AIRPORT AIRPLANE, AIRLINE OPERATOR TO ANOTHER AIRLINE OPERATOR. THEY DON'T ADD PARKING, THEY DON'T ADD CAPACITY. IT'S JUST SIMPLY AN OPERATIONAL CHANGE. SO THAT WOULDN'T COME BEFORE US FOR ANY SPECIFIC APPROVAL. SO IF THOSE CHANGES ARE OCCURRING, THAT MAY BE WHERE THE AMERICAN AIRLINES THING IS COMING. BUT THAT WOULDN'T COME TO ME. I WOULDN'T BE AWARE OF THAT. OKAY. WELL, I CAN DISCUSS THAT FURTHER THEN. THANK YOU. I WOULD ONLY BE AWARE IF THEY ADDED ON TO THE BUILDING TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. OPERATOR. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT, I JUST WANT TO ADD ONE OTHER THING IN OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT WOULD BE IF THEY WERE MODIFYING THE INTERNAL STRUCTURES, BUT IT NEVER CHANGED THE WALLS WHEN YOU SAID DESK. BUT IF YOU MOVE A COUPLE WALLS AND YOU NEED A BUILDING PERMIT, IT'D STILL BE VETTED FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, BUT THAT WOULD BE THE EXTENT OF IT. MAYOR TO THIS POINT, IF I MAY FOR A MINUTE, YES. MR. MCCONNELL, I THINK IT'S A GREAT CONCEPT AND UNDERSTANDING, AND I THINK MAYBE AS PART OF EITHER THE COMP PLAN DISCUSSION THAT GETS PRESENTED OR JUST A SEPARATE WORKSHOP ITEM, I DO THINK WE SHOULD JUST HAVE A CONVERSATION ON THE UTILIZATION PLAN PROCESS PURSUANT TO OUR CURRENT CODE. I THINK WE JUST SHOULD JUST TALK ABOUT IT OUT LOUD SO THAT EVERYONE'S CLEAR. [02:50:02] WHAT MY MEMO IN MAY OF 2025 STOOD FOR, WHAT THE PROCESS WE BELIEVE IS NOW FOR ANY APPLICATIONS, WHAT THAT INCLUDES SO THAT THERE'S CLARITY TO THE PUBLIC, TO THE AIRPORT AND TO CITY COUNCIL, TO STAFF, TO LEGAL, SO THAT WE CAN ALL OPERATE ON THE SAME FOOT. SO IF YOU GUYS ARE OPEN TO IT, I KNOW WE'RE ABOUT TO TALK ABOUT PRIORITIES, SO I DON'T WANT TO TAKE OVER A MEETING FOR MR. YOUNG, BUT I DO THINK AT SOME POINT WE SHOULD JUST LET'S SEE HOW SEPTEMBER 17TH SHAKES OUT, AND THEN MAYBE OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER, WE SHOULD HAVE A WORKSHOP ON THE UTILIZATION PLAN SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE OPERATING WITHIN IT. I ABSOLUTELY AGREE. NOW MIGHT NOT BE THE TIME, BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT AFTER THE 17TH IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME. SO WE CAN DISCUSS THAT WITH COUNCIL AND DETERMINE OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES. OKAY, PERFECT. THAT CONCLUDES ITEM 13. AYE. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM 13 D THANK YOU MAYOR. [13.D) Discussion related to the Classification of a Pilates/Yoga/Fitness Studio under the Personal Service Use Category Identified in Chapter 58 of the Code of Ordinances as a Comparative Use with Similar Intensity.] I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE THIS ONE AND THEN I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. ERICA. SO SO AS YOU KNOW WE HAVE ZONING REQUIREMENTS AND WE'VE HAD A SITUATION THAT HAS COME BEFORE YOU AND YOU ASKED US TO LOOK INTO AND IT'S RELATED TO A PILATES STUDIO MOVING INTO A CERTAIN DISTRICT, AND WE CLASSIFY IT AS PERSONAL SERVICES. AND WHEN YOU READ THAT SECTION IN OUR INTERPRETATION, BECAUSE IT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WAS THERE AND IT'S BEEN THERE FOR A SIGNIFICANT PERIOD OF TIME WAS TO UTILIZE PERSONAL SERVICES FOR PILATES, PHYSICAL FITNESS FACILITIES, GYMS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I LOOK AT IT THIS WAY. IF I'M WALKING AND I HAVE A PATH TO WALK SOMEWHERE AND I HAVE A MAP AND I FALL IN QUICKSAND AND IT TAKES EVERYTHING I CAN TO GET OUT OF IT, I'M NOT GOING TO TURN AROUND AND SAY, WELL, MAP SAYS, STILL GO THIS WAY AND TURN AROUND AND DO IT AGAIN. SO. SO WHEN YOU ASKED ME TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY, IS THERE SOMETHING WE CAN DO? IT REQUIRES US TO LOOK AND DIG INTO THE CODE AND SAY, LOOK, WHAT WAS THIS CIRCUMSTANCE? DO WE WANT TO HAVE IT DEFINED AS PERSONAL SERVICES THAT HAS A BARBER SHOP AND BEAUTICIAN, THE SAME AS WE WOULD PHYSICAL FITNESS GYMS AND ARE THEY. ARE THEY ONE AND THE SAME? AND IF THEY'RE NOT, THEN WE NEED TO WRITE THE LANGUAGE THAT DELINEATES THAT LOOK THAT WE RECOGNIZE. THAT'S A MUCH HEAVIER USE AND IT HAS CONNOTATIONS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT. SO IT WAS MY REQUEST. AND YOU'LL HEAR ME SAY THIS DURING THE PRIORITIES, WHERE I THINK IT'S A PRIORITY FOR STAFF TO GET CLARITY, I WANT TO ADD THEM TO AND NOT JUST WAIT ON WHERE IT NEEDS CLARITY FROM YOU, MEANING THAT YOU WANT TO DIRECT ME TO GET CLARITY. I WANT TO GET CLARITY MYSELF SO THAT NEITHER ONE OF US ARE IN THIS BOX, AGAIN, FOR LACK OF A BETTER EXPRESSION. SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ATTEMPTING TO DO HERE, WHICH IS TO SAY THE CODE HAS BEEN INTERPRETED TO SAY PERSONAL SERVICES ENCOMPASSES GYMS, ETC. AND IT LEAVES THE CODE LEAVES ME WANTING TO SAY, SHOULD WE SEGREGATE THIS AND THEN HAVE A CONVERSATION IN WHAT ZONED AREAS WE BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE BLINDLY, YES, IT'S ACCEPTABLE OR IT SHOULD BE A CONDITIONAL USE, OF WHICH IT HAS TO COME BACK AND SHOW JUSTIFICATION. AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE WHILE IN THE ONE CASE THAT WE WE TALKED ABOUT, WHICH WAS THE PETTITTE SQUARE ONE, THE ACTUAL RESIDENCY WAS THE CONDITIONAL USE IN THAT CASE. BUT THERE'S OTHER CASES WHERE THAT'S NOT. AND SO WE JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT WITH WITH HONESTY. AND WHAT DO WE THINK IS THE BEST WAY TO MANAGE THESE TYPES OF FACILITIES AND DO IT BY ZONING DISTRICTS. SO WE'RE DOING IT WITH FORETHOUGHT AND IT'S EASY TO ADMINISTER. AND EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THOSE VARIABLES ARE. SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MISS MARTIN. YEP. GOOD MORNING. ERIC MARTIN, PLANNING DIRECTOR. I PROVIDED FOR YOU AN AGENDA MEMORANDUM THAT IS REALLY JUST A PACKET OF BACKGROUND INFORMATION FOR YOU ON WHAT OUR CODE CURRENTLY PROVIDES. SO THE CODE THAT WE HAVE TODAY DOES NOT ADDRESS FITNESS STUDIOS, YOGA, PILATES, ANY OF THAT. YOU WILL NOT FIND THAT DEFINED OR PROVIDED ANYWHERE IN OUR CODE. OBVIOUSLY, WE HAVE GYMS, WE HAVE YOGA STUDIOS, WE HAVE FITNESS FACILITIES IN, IN THE CITY. SO HISTORICALLY THOSE HAVE BEEN APPROVED AND REVIEWED UNDER CLASSIFIED AS A PERSONAL SERVICE. PERSONAL SERVICES I PROVIDED IN HERE WHERE THE NUMBER OF DISTRICTS THAT PERSONAL SERVICES ARE PERMITTED. SO IT'S PERMITTED USE AND HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL C ONE WHICH IS RETAIL SHOPPING, C1A COMMERCIAL CORE C TWO GENERAL COMMERCIAL. C2A WATERFRONT COMMERCIAL C THREE HEAVY COMMERCIAL D DOWNTOWN AND YOUR BUSINESS PARK DISTRICT. SO THOSE ALL PROVIDE PERSONAL SERVICE AS A PERMITTED USE. AND THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE CLASSIFIED HISTORICALLY. FITNESS STUDIOS YOGA, PILATES, ETC.. I PROVIDED SOME EXAMPLES OF HOW YOU WOULD SEE THAT PROVIDED IN YOUR CODE. [02:55:05] I GAVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF HOW THAT'S PROVIDED IN THE C ONE DISTRICT. SO IT'S JUST THE PERMITTED USES. GOES ON TO PAGE TWO AND IT JUST, YOU'LL SEE IN THERE IT SAYS PERSONAL SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS SUCH AS BARBERSHOPS AND BEAUTY SHOPS. IN IT. WE DID NOTE IN, IN THIS AGENDA MEMORANDUM THAT. OFTEN PLANNERS WILL USE THE SIC CODES, THE STANDARD AND STANDARD INDUSTRIAL CLASSIFICATION CODES TO ASSIST IN COMPARATIVE USE ANALYSIS. SO WHEN YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE A CODE. NO JURISDICTION HAS A CODE THAT PROVIDES EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE USE DOWN TO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL. SO YOU'RE NOT VERY I MEAN, MAYBE YOU WILL, BUT I LOOKED IN A LOT OF OTHER JURISDICTIONS. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE YOGA STUDIO, PILATES STUDIO, PERSONAL TRAINING, YOU KNOW, IN THE SAME WAY THAT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE CHILDCARE, DOGGY DAYCARE, VETERINARY SERVICE, YOU KNOW, THAT BOARDING SERVICES, YOU, YOU PROVIDE USES IN CLASSIFICATIONS, IN GROUPINGS, ESSENTIALLY. AND THEN THERE'S ALWAYS WITHIN THOSE GROUPINGS, THOSE CLASSIFICATIONS, THERE'S MORE DETAIL. SO THE CITY HAS THE GROUPING THAT THE CITY HAS PUT FITNESS STUDIOS UNDER IS PERSONAL SERVICE. WE DID PROVIDE STARTING ON PAGE TWO AND GOING ON TO PAGE THREE. JUST A LIST. THIS IS NOT A COMPREHENSIVE LIST. THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER AND, YOU KNOW, AS QUICKLY AS WE COULD. BUT THIS IS NOT COMPREHENSIVE. IF WE REALLY WENT IN AND LOOKED AT ALL THE BUSINESS TAX RECEIPTS ISSUED IN THE CITY AND PROBABLY DISTRICTS THAT DON'T OR BUSINESSES THAT DON'T HAVE BUSINESS TAX RECEIPTS, THERE ARE, AS YOU KNOW, YOU LIVE HERE AND YOU'RE, YOU'RE EXPERIENCE IN THE CITY. THERE ARE A LOT OF PHYSICAL FITNESS RELATED BUSINESSES IN THE CITY RANGING FROM GYMS, YOU KNOW, A PLANET. I'M NOT SAYING WE HAVE A PLANET FITNESS, BUT I'M GOING TO USE THAT AS AN EXAMPLE. A PLANET FITNESS TYPE GYM. WE HAVE A GYM. ALL THE WAY DOWN. YOU HAVE YOGA STUDIOS, PILATES STUDIOS. YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, PERSONAL ONE ON ONE PERSONAL TRAINING BUSINESSES. WE HAVE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT PHYSICAL FITNESS RELATED BUSINESSES IN THE CITY. SO THIS WHERE THIS ISSUE CAME UP, AS MR. YOUNG HAD INDICATED, WAS IT REALLY WAS CALLED INTO QUESTION WHEN A PILATES STUDIO WAS APPROVED AS A PERSONAL SERVICE IN A MIXED USE BUILDING. SO INTERESTINGLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THOSE DISTRICTS THAT I PROVIDED TO YOU WHERE PERSONAL SERVICE IS PERMITTED, A LOT OF THOSE ARE MIXED USE DISTRICTS. THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, BUT THEY'RE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS THAT ALLOW FOR MIXED USE. THEY ALLOW FOR RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN THE SAME BUILDING AND OR GROUP OF BUILDINGS AS THOSE COMMERCIAL USES. SO. DURING THAT DISCUSSION, WE DISCUSSED THIS WITH COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY. AND, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF THAT DISCUSSION, COUNCIL HAD ASKED THAT WE LOOK INTO THIS IN THE FUTURE. IS THIS SOMETHING IS PERSONAL SERVICE THE CORRECT CLASSIFICATION? AND IF NOT, IS THERE, I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE IS A BETTER CLASSIFICATION THAT OUR CODE PROVIDES TODAY. SHOULD WE ADDRESS THIS SPECIFICALLY IN OUR CODE? SO I THEN PROVIDED, STARTING ON PAGE THREE SOME CONSIDERATIONS FOR COUNCIL. I'M NOT SUGGESTING ANY SPECIFIC CHANGES. THESE ARE JUST THINGS THAT YOU COULD CONSIDER IF COUNCIL'S DIRECTION WAS. YES, WE SHOULD LOOK INTO THIS FURTHER. THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD ADDRESS SPECIFICALLY. A COUPLE OF THOSE CONSIDERATIONS. ONE WOULD BE CLASSIFYING THE TYPES OF FITNESS RELATED BUSINESSES. TO ME, THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A GOLD'S GYM OR AN LA FITNESS AND A ONE ON ONE PERSONAL TRAINER WHO'S GOING TO HAVE ONE CLIENT IN A SMALL SPACE, YOU KNOW, AT A TIME. AND SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES YOU'LL SEE HERE ARE THE SIZE OF THE, THE UNIT. YOU MAY HAVE DIFFERENT HOURS OF OPERATION. YOU MAY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LOUD AMPLIFIED MUSIC AND SOMEONE ON A MICROPHONE IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM, YOU KNOW, A ONE ON ONE PERSONAL TRAINER THAT'S OPERATING IN A SMALL UNIT, YOU KNOW, JUST ONE ON ONE WITH THAT PERSON. SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, VARIETY OF TYPES, SIZES AND INTENSITIES, IF YOU WILL, OF THOSE BUSINESS MODELS. SO RATHER THAN JUST DEFINING PHYSICAL FITNESS, WOULD YOU WANT TO FURTHER DEFINE THAT INTO SEPARATE CLASSIFICATIONS. THAT'S ONE CONSIDERATION. THE SECOND IS A PARKING GOING ALONG WITH THAT DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATIONS ARE PARKING CONSIDERATIONS. AGAIN I'M GOING TO USE THAT SAME EXAMPLE. I THINK THE PARKING RATIO FOR, YOU KNOW, A GOLD'S GYM OR LA FITNESS PROBABLY IS DIFFERENT THAN A ONE ON ONE PHYSICAL TRAINER. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE ALSO IN THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION OF PERSONAL SERVICE DO WE IS, IS A BARBERSHOP. SOME OF THE EXAMPLES GIVEN IN, IN PERSONAL SERVICE OR BARBERSHOPS, YOU KNOW, IS THE PARKING RATIO FOR A GYM THE SAME, [03:00:06] YOU KNOW, OR ARE COMPARABLE TO THE PARKING RATIO. THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR A BARBER SHOP OR A HAIR SALON. INTERESTINGLY, IN CHAPTER 50 WHICH IS THE SECTION OF OUR CODE, CHAPTER 50 DASH 104, WHICH PROVIDES THE PARKING RATIOS FOR THE DIFFERENT USES. MOST OF THERE ARE ONLY A COUPLE DISTRICTS IN OUR CODE THAT PROVIDE PARKING RATIOS SPECIFICALLY. GENERALLY, FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE DISTRICTS IN OUR, THE ZONING DISTRICTS IN OUR CODE PARKING IS PROVIDED BY USE. THERE'S A SEPARATE PARKING RATIO FOR DIFFERENT USES IN OUR CODE. WE DON'T ACTUALLY PROVIDE A PARKING RATIO FOR PERSONAL SERVICE. SO AGAIN, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT STAFF HAS HAD HISTORICALLY IS APPLYING THE APPROPRIATE PARKING RATIO TO WE'VE APPLIED THE COMMERCIAL PARKING RATIO, WHICH IS ONE SPACE PER 300FT² OF GROSS FLOOR AREA. THAT'S PROVIDED IN SUBSECTION FOUR OF, OF 5104. WHICH SAYS COMMERCIAL USES. IT GIVES A LIST OF EXAMPLES. BUT THAT'S ONE SPACE PER 300FT² OF GROSS FLOOR AREA. ALONG WITH THAT NUMBER 21 SAYS USE IS NOT LISTED. SO OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR ANY USE NOT LISTED IN THIS SECTION SHALL BE THE SAME AS FOR THE MOST SIMILAR USE LISTED. THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE RELIED ON. WE'VE USED NUMBER 21 TO RELY ON NUMBER FOUR, WHICH IS THE COMMERCIAL PROVISION OF PARKING. SO THAT'S ANOTHER CONSIDERATION IS WHETHER WE SHOULD ASSIGN A SPECIFIC PARKING RATIO TO FITNESS FACILITIES OR, AND, OR THE DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATIONS OF FITNESS FACILITIES. AND THEN THE FINAL CONSIDERATION CONSIDERATION I JUST PROVIDED TO YOU IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PROVIDING FOR FITNESS FACILITIES OR CERTAIN TYPES OF FITNESS FACILITIES AS PERMITTED USES VERSUS CONDITIONAL USES. SO PERSONAL SERVICE IS A PERMITTED USE IN THOSE IN THE DISTRICTS THAT I PROVIDED. PERMITTED USE MEANS THAT. THAT IS, IF YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL BUILDING OR A MIXED USE BUILDING, AND I'LL REFER YOU BACK TO PAGE STARTS ON PAGE ONE, BUT IS REALLY ON PAGE TWO, WHICH PROVIDES ALL THE PERMITTED USES FOR THE C1 DISTRICT. SO IF YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE A COMMERCIAL BUILDING OR JUST A MIXED USE BUILDING IN THE C1 DISTRICT, AND THEY HAVE COMMERCIAL ON THE GROUND FLOOR, EVEN IF THAT BUILDING WAS BUILT WITH RETAIL AS THE COMMERCIAL ON THE GROUND FLOOR AT ANY TIME, THAT SPACE COULD THEY COULD CHANGE, YOU KNOW, THAT RETAIL GOES OUT OF BUSINESS OR VACATES STAFF ADMINISTRATIVELY WILL ALLOW ANY OF THOSE PERMITTED USES IN THAT SPACE, PROVIDED THAT IT MEETS THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS. OBVIOUSLY, RESTAURANTS HAVE HIGHER PARKING REQUIREMENTS, ETC., BUT PROVIDED THAT THE PARKING IS MET, THOSE PERMITTED USES CAN TRADE IN AND OUT OF THOSE THAT COMMERCIAL SPACE WITHOUT OVERVIEW OF CITY COUNCIL WITHOUT CITY COUNCIL'S REVIEW OR APPROVAL. NOW A CONDITIONAL USE AND THIS IS PROVIDED BEGINNING ON PAGE FOUR. A CONDITIONAL USE BY CODE REQUIRES CITY COUNCIL P AYE REVIEW AND CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL. AND A CONDITIONAL USE BASICALLY SAYS THAT THIS IS A USE THAT COULD BE APPROPRIATE IN THIS DISTRICT BASED ON COMPATIBILITY AND CERTAIN COMPLIANCE WITH CERTAIN CRITERIA, MEANING PHYSICAL FITNESS FACILITY COULD BE ACCEPTABLE IN THIS DISTRICT, PROVIDED THAT IT IS THE HOURS OF OPERATION ARE CONSISTENT WITH OTHER USES IN THE BUILDING, STUFF LIKE THAT. SO THERE'S A FULL LIST OF IN, IN YOUR CODE IN CHAPTER FOUR, IT'S 46-34 IS THE CONDITIONAL USE SECTION OF YOUR CODE. BUT THERE'S A FULL LIST OF CRITERIA THAT CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE ABLE TO CONSIDER ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IS THIS BUILDING PREDOMINANTLY RESIDENTIAL? AND WOULD THIS LA FITNESS MAYBE NOT BE THE BEST MATCH HERE? BUT ON THE FLIP SIDE, THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN THIS BUILDING OVER HERE. AND THIS ONE ON ONE PERSONAL TRAINER THAT STARTS AT 10 A.M. AND CLOSES AT 4 P.M. WITH NO AMPLIFIED SOUND, MIGHT BE COMPATIBLE IN THAT SITUATION. SO THAT WAS MY THIRD CONSIDERATION FOR YOU IS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU WANTED TO PROVIDE, IF WE DO CREATE A SEPARATE USE CLASSIFICATION FOR PHYSICAL FITNESS, WOULD THAT BE MORE APPROPRIATE? AND MAYBE NOT IN ALL DISTRICTS, BUT IN CERTAIN DISTRICTS? WOULD IT BE MORE APPROPRIATE AS A CONDITIONAL USE INSTEAD OF A PERMITTED USE? AND MISS MARTIN, CAN I BREAK IT TO A LAYMAN'S TERMS FOR ME A LITTLE BIT, JUST AND I SAY THIS WITH THE UTMOST RESPECT IS SO IN THE END, IF I TAKE AND WE CREATED THE PHYSICAL FITNESS OR, YOU KNOW, GYMS, PHYSICAL FITNESS FACILITIES, AND I PUT IT IN HEAVY COMMERCIAL AS AN APPROVED, THEN IT'S APPROVED THERE. [03:05:03] ITS EXCLUSION FROM THE OTHER ONES MAKE IT A CONDITIONAL USE. NO. SO WHAT WHAT WOULD BE THE WHERE WOULD YOU PUT THAT TO MAKE ITS EXCLUSION IN A ZONING DISTRICT THAT IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE AND HAVE TO COME BACK. SO THE WAY OUR CODE IS DEFINED AND THIS IS I THINK 44-4B IN OUR CODE SPECIFICALLY SAYS THAT A USE THAT IS NOT PROVIDED IS CONSIDERED PROHIBITED. SO IF IT IS DEFINED IF A USE IS DEFINED, THE MINUTE WE DEFINE PHYSICAL FITNESS AS ITS OWN SEPARATE USE, WE HAVE TO DELINEATE IN WHICH ZONING DISTRICTS WE WANT TO PROVIDE THAT EITHER AS A PERMITTED USE OR A CONDITIONAL. IF IT IS NOT PROVIDED IN A ZONING DISTRICT AS EITHER PERMITTED OR CONDITIONAL, IT'S CONSIDERED PROHIBITED. OKAY. WOW. I'M GLAD YOU'RE A PLANNER, BUT THANK YOU. NO, BUT, YOU KNOW, LIFESTYLES CHANGE, ACTIVITIES CHANGE. AND SO YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FOUND OURSELVES IN A PREDICAMENT AND I'M GLAD THAT IT'S COMING BEFORE US. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ, YOU. YEAH. AS I RECALL, THE ISSUE WITH PETTIS SQUARE WAS THAT THE RESIDENTIAL PORTION OF IT WAS PROBLEMATIC WITH THE, THE NOISE AND THEN THE JUICE BAR, COFFEE BAR, WHATEVER THEY WANTED TO GET INTO THE FOOD SERVICE BEVERAGE BUSINESS. AND THAT WASN'T REALLY SUPPOSED TO BE HAPPENING THERE. CORRECT. AS I RECALL IT. AND THEN THE AMOUNT OF PARKING. BUT THE PETTIS SQUARE POSITION IS THAT THEY'RE ACTUALLY THEY'RE LIKE 536 IN THE MORNING, STARTING WITH THE LOUD MUSIC AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE GOING WITH, WITH SERVICES THEY PROVIDE. SO THE QUESTION WAS THEN ARE THEY BEGGING THE QUESTION ABOUT FOOD SERVICE AND RESTAURANTS IN A FACILITY THAT WASN'T REALLY APPROVED FOR THAT? IT WAS APPROVED AND YOU DETERMINED. THE CITY DETERMINED THAT THE. THE PROPERTY THERE THAT COULD BE USED AS A PILATES STUDIO BECAUSE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE POSSIBLY A FULL. IT COULD BE A FULL BLOWN RESTAURANT IF THEY WANT, BUT THEY DIDN'T APPLY FOR THAT. IT COULD BE, YES, IN THAT ZONING DISTRICT, RIGHT? INTERESTINGLY, RESTAURANT IS A PERMITTED USE. SO THAT FIRST FLOOR COULD BE A RESTAURANT PROVIDED THAT THEY HAD THE PARKING NECESSARY. BUT A RESTAURANT WOULD NOT COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL AND IS EXPRESSLY PROVIDED AS A USE IN THAT DISTRICT COMMERCIAL AND RESTAURANT TOGETHER IN ONE BUILDING. IS THAT CONSISTENT WITH HOW THE ZONING IS FOR THAT NOW, BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS SEEM TO BE GETTING SHORT SHRIFT AND INTERESTING CAN DO THIS. INTERESTINGLY, AS MR. YOUNG INDICATED IN IN THE ZONING DISTRICT THAT THAT PARTICULAR BUILDING IS LOCATED, THE RESIDENTIAL IS THE CONDITIONAL USE, RIGHT? RESTAURANT IS PERMITTED AND THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS HAVE TO PROVE, HAVE TO PROVE THAT THEY AND I'M SAYING ORIGINALLY WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY DEVELOPED, THEY HAD TO PROVE THAT THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS WOULD BE COMPATIBLE INTERESTINGLY WITH WITH THE COMMERCIAL USES THAT WERE THERE. BUT LIKE I SAID, WHERE THIS GETS TRICKY IS PERMITTED. USES CAN TRADE IN AND OUT WITHOUT ANY SPECIFIC APPROVAL FROM CITY COUNCIL. SO IF YOU'RE PUTTING RESIDENTIAL UNITS ON THE UPPER STOREYS OF A MIXED USE BUILDING, THERE HAS TO BE SOME AWARENESS THAT THAT COMMERCIAL ON THE GROUND FLOOR IS NOT IT'S NOT LIMITED TO WHATEVER USE WAS THERE ON THE DAY IT WAS DEVELOPED. IT'S THOSE PERMITTED USES CAN TRADE IN AND OUT, BUT THAT SPECIFIC PROPERTY WAS DIFFERENT THAN THAT IS THAT THERE WAS NO APPLICATION MADE FOR ANYTHING TO DO WITH BEVERAGES FOR SALE, AND THEN ROAMING AROUND THE COURTYARD AREA THEY HAVE THERE. YEAH. SO THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE. AND WE'RE HANDLING THAT SEPARATELY. YEAH. THE COFFEE SHOP OPERATION WAS A SEPARATE ISSUE. I AGREE WITH YOU. AND WE'RE DEALING WITH THAT SEPARATELY. THIS IS THIS NOT AN END RUN AROUND THAT. YEAH. IS THIS AN END RUN AROUND THAT. YEAH. NO. SO LET ME LET ME DELINEATE 22 IF I COULD, MR. SCHULZ. SO THE FIRST ITEM WAS, IS BECAUSE BEFORE THERE WAS A COFFEE SHOP AND THEY ORIGINALLY WERE JUST GIVEN THE PLATES. AND THAT BECAME A SECOND, SECOND AND SEPARATE ISSUE. AND WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THAT AS WELL. THE FIRST ONE WAS, WAS THE NOISE THAT WAS GOING TO PERMEATE FROM THE BOTTOM AT ALL, AND THE PILATES STUDIO IN AND OF ITSELF. SO THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO GET THE PHYSICAL FITNESS AND PILATES AND, YOU KNOW, AMPLIFIED SOUND DISCUSSION OUT OF THE WAY UNDER THE PHYSICAL FITNESS. PARALLEL TO THAT, THERE WAS THIS. IT'S A, IT'S A BAR TO GIVE DRINKS TO OUR PATRONS TO NOW WE'RE SERVING ON THE STREET. AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAD SECRET SHOPPERS, IF YOU WILL, TO GO OUT AND PROVE YES, THEY WERE SELLING TO THEM. AND THEN WE PUT THEM IN CODE VIOLATION AND WE'RE STILL, WE STILL HAVE THAT NOW THEY'RE, THEY'VE STEPPED BACK FROM FROM THAT. AND WHETHER THEY'RE EVER GOING TO PUT AN APPLICATION OR CHANGE THE DYNAMICS OF IT. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT ISSUE IS DEAD, BECAUSE THAT ISSUE IS IN OTHER PLACES THROUGHOUT THE CITY WHERE THEY'VE NOT JUST NOT THIS FACILITY NECESSARILY, BUT THEY'RE THEY'VE BEEN TRYING TO GET TWO BUSINESSES UNDER THE SAME AREA. AND WE'VE GOT TO BRING THAT BACK AS A SEPARATE DISCUSSION. AND ERICA AND I KNOW THAT. SO. SO TO YOUR POINT, THERE'S AN OVERLAP, BUT THIS IS NOT AN END AROUND. [03:10:04] THIS IS TO SAY THE STUDIO BY ITSELF. FORGET THE COFFEE SHOP FOR A MOMENT BECAUSE WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND WE WORK THAT EVERY WEEK. BUT, BUT THIS ONE IS TO SAY, BECAUSE OF THE VAST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A BARBERSHOP AND A HAIR SALON, DO WE WANT TO DO GYMS AND PHYSICAL FITNESS FACILITIES IN ANOTHER WAY? AND THEN WE'RE COMING BACK TO YOU SEPARATELY IS DO WE WANT TO REGULATE THIS JOINT BUSINESS THING AND HOW THAT HAS CREPT INTO AND SOMETIMES THEY START THEM, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW. AND THEN WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ON A CODE ENFORCEMENT. SO I JUST WANT TO SEPARATE THE TWO SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND, BUT THIS IS NOT AN END AROUND TO GET THEM TO BE ABLE TO DO ANYTHING. THIS IS WHAT I PROMISED. HE JUST WROTE ME YESTERDAY, BUT WHAT I WHAT I PROMISED THE RESIDENTS AND PETTIT SQUARE SAID, LOOK, I CAN'T FIX THE CODE IS WHAT THE CODE IS, AND I CAN'T I CAN'T TELL THESE PEOPLE THAT THEY CAN'T. THEY HAVE TO MOVE. THE ONLY WAY I CAN DO IS PROHIBITED IN THE FUTURE. AND I KNOW THAT'S OF NO SATISFACTION TO YOU. BUT MY RESPONSIBILITY IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN COUNCIL SAYS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN, THIS PROVIDES THAT INSTRUMENT FOR YOU TO SAY, YES, WE BELIEVE THESE DISTRICTS SHOULD BE OKAY TO HAVE THESE ONES. I WANT TO SEE THEM SO THAT I KNOW THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHAT WE'RE VETTING, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET DIRECTION ON SO WE CAN BRING YOU BACK CODE THAT MAKES THE ADMINISTRATION OF THESE EASIER. AND, AND YOUR JOB, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU AND OURS, RIGHT? THE, THE SITUATION THOUGH, IS I RECALL IT'S COMING BACK TO ME MORE NOW IS JUST IT GOES ON TO THE MIXED USE BUILDINGS IN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL. THAT'S JUST PROBLEMATIC EVEN IN AND OF ITS OWN. BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE. BUT IT'S GOING TO BECOME MORE AND MORE SO IF WE DON'T GET A HANDLE ON THINGS NOW AND NOT HAVE MIXED USES IN COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL ALL IN THE SAME PLACE. IT'S VERY PROBLEMATIC. YEAH. AND THAT'S THE IMPORTANCE OF COMING BACK TO YOU AND TRYING TO SAY, CAN WE DELINEATE SOMEHOW? BECAUSE AS YOU KNOW, THE NUMBER OF MIXED USES THAT'S BEEN PUT IN, IN, IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS ARE ASTRONOMICAL COMPARED TO WHAT THEY WERE BEFORE? AND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND CODE ACTUALLY ENCOURAGE MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT. WE HAVE AN ENTIRE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION THAT IS THE DOWNTOWN MIXED USE LAND USE DESIGNATION. AND OUR A NUMBER OF OUR ZONING DISTRICTS ARE DESIGNED TO BE MIXED USE. NOW, LIKE I MENTIONED BEFORE, RESIDENTIAL IS THE CONDITIONAL USE IN THOSE INSTANCES. AND I CAN IN THE WAY THAT THAT'S WORDED IN YOUR CODE IS RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS. WHEN SUCH DWELLING UNITS ARE COMPATIBLE WITH PERMITTED USES. SO THE CONSIDERATION WHEN YOU APPROVE A MIXED USE BUILDING WITH RESIDENTIAL UNITS IS, YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK IN THAT DISTRICT AND IN THIS CASE IT WAS C ONE. YOU LOOK AT THE PERMITTED USES IN C ONE AND YOU SEE THAT THE PERMITTED USES INCLUDE RESTAURANTS PROFESSIONAL BUSINESS, CIVIC. YOU LOOK AT THE FULL LIST LAUNDRY AND DRY CLEANING MEDICAL OFFICES. AND YOU WAY TO SAY YOU KNOW IS ALLOWING RESIDENTIAL UNITS IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT WITH THESE PERMITTED USES GOING TO BE COMPATIBLE, KNOWING THAT THOSE PERMITTED USES WILL CHANGE IN AND OUT? I DON'T WANT TO GET STUCK ON PETTIT SQUARE, BUT JUST FOR UNDERSTANDING, I THOUGHT PETTIT WAS C4? NOPE. C4 IS AIRPORT C, IT'S C ONE AND C ONE IS RETAIL SHOPPING TWO ONE. YEP. C ONE IS RETAIL SHOPPING DISTRICT WHICH PROVIDES PERMITTED USES AND THEN RESIDENTIAL AS A CONDITIONAL USE. OKAY SO WHAT'S HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL. HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL IS ESSENTIALLY YOUR US 41 CORRIDOR. IT'S NORTH OF DOWNTOWN. WHAT'S THAT ZONING CALLED? HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL. HC HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I THOUGHT IT WAS A DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATION, BUT. OKAY. SO, MR. YOUNG, I HEARD YOU SAY THAT YOU ONE THING YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS DO WE NEED TO HAVE A A SEPARATE CODE FOR FITNESS? AND I BELIEVE WE DO. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE ELSE CAN MAKE THAT CONSENSUS RIGHT NOW. YES. NO. IF YOU CAN'T MAKE IT RIGHT NOW, FINE. WE CAN KEEP THE DISCUSSION, BUT I JUST HAVE A COMMENT ABOUT THAT. OKAY. WELL, THEN WE'LL KEEP GOING. I'LL MAKE SURE THAT I GET THAT, THOUGH. OKAY. ARE YOU COMPLETE COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ? NO, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE RESIDENTS THERE THAT HAVE A LOT OF MONEY TIED UP IN THEIR OWN CONDOS, AND THEY'RE NOW BEING CALLED THE INTERLOPER, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM. AND THAT'S THEIR LIFESTYLES, THEIR HOMES. AND THAT'S MORE PROBLEMATIC TO MOVE THAN YEAH, I AGREE. [03:15:02] THERE'S SEVERAL ISSUES WITH THAT. AND I THINK MIXED USE WAS ONE OF THEM. WE NEED TO LOOK AT MIXED USE AND WHAT'S COMPATIBLE COMPATIBLE AND NOT BECAUSE WE TEND TO HAVE MIXED USE ISSUES IN, IN OUR ZONING ANYWAY. I KNOW BAYFRONT USED TO BE ANY AN ISSUE WITH HOW MANY RESTAURANTS AND THE NOISE AND THE HOW IT AFFECTED THE NEIGHBORS. AND SO I, I WOULD SEPARATE THIS ITEM AND ALSO I'LL LEAVE IT WITH. THAT'S WHY I GET VERY, VERY PICKY ON WHAT GOES IN THE RESOLUTION. AND IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT ADMINISTRATIVELY WE ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO. AND I KNOW IT'S NOT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF STAFF TO FIND OUT WHAT THE DEED SAYS, BUT IF THERE IS A DEED THAT SAYS SOMETHING AND WE HAVE IT, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT INFORMATION IS IS PUT IN THE RESOLUTION. SO THAT WE'RE NOT CONFLICTING WITH, WITH WHAT MIGHT BE THERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DO THAT, BUT MAY I SAY SOMETHING? YES, OF COURSE, BECAUSE I KNOW WELL, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT, BUT TO MR. YOUNG AND MISS MARTIN'S POINT, I THINK THEY WERE JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE SOME REASONING AS TO WHY THIS CONVERSATION IS COMING FORWARD. WE ARE NOT TRYING TO REHASH THE PET SQUARE ISSUE THAT WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH FOR SEVEN MONTHS THAT I BELIEVE WE'VE RESOLVED. THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE. THE REALITY IS, RESPECTFULLY, THOSE NEIGHBORS HAVE ATTORNEYS. THOSE ATTORNEYS HAVE EMAILED US. I FORWARDED YOU AN EMAIL FROM THOSE ATTORNEYS. THEY MOVED INTO A PLACE THAT KNEW WITH THE KNOWING, KNOWING THAT COMMERCIAL COULD BE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. ARE YOU? MY QUESTION ONLY IS THE MIXED USE COMPONENT. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MIXED USE IN RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, OR ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MIXED USE IN PILATES AND COFFEE? ACTUALLY, BOTH. OKAY. BECAUSE THE PILATES AND COFFEE IS COMING BACK TO YOU IN THAT WE'VE DONE RESEARCH IN OTHER CODES, HAVING TWO BUSINESSES IN ONE ESTABLISHMENT. WE NEED TO DIFFERENTIATE HOW THE PARKING IS CALCULATED. WE NEED SOME CODE SO THAT THE ADMINISTRATION HAS THE ABILITY TO ANALYZE THESE SEPARATELY. BUT MIXED USE FROM A ZONING PERSPECTIVE GENERALLY MEANS RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL. SO I JUST WANTED TO DISTINGUISH THAT BECAUSE TO MR. YOUNG'S POINT THAT'S COMING BACK, THE DUAL BUSINESSES IN ONE LOCATION IS COMING BACK TO ADDRESS THE COFFEE SHOP PILATES ISSUE. BUT IN A COMMUNITY SUCH AS NAPLES, THE MIXED USE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL AND SAME AREAS, WHICH ARE VERY TIGHTLY CONFINED IN MANY RESPECTS, AND HIGH TRAFFIC ZONES LIKE THIRD, THIRD AND NOW IN FIFTH. WE HAVE THE UNITS ABOVE FIFTH AVENUE. I MEAN, THAT'S A PERSONAL PREFERENCE. IF SOMEONE WANTS TO BUY A RESIDENTIAL UNIT THERE, THAT GOD BLESS YOU MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. WHATEVER. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M ABOUT. I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE RESIDENTS IN THIS PARTICULAR PLACE THAT ARE SEEMING TO NOT BE HEARD VERY WELL. AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S RIGHTS THAT EVERYBODY CAN HAVE. AND THEY WERE THERE AND THEY WERE ENTITLED TO BE THERE. BUT THAT JUST SEEMS VERY PROBLEMATIC. IF YOU WERE A RESIDENT AND THERE'S LIKE WHAT, SEVEN, 7 OR 8 CONDOS THERE, I BELIEVE IS WHAT IT IS. BUT THOSE FOLKS ARE GONE UP NORTH NOW WHEN THEY COME BACK, AND HOPEFULLY THE ISSUE WILL BE RESOLVED TO AT LEAST SOME SORT OF SATISFACTION TO THEM. YEAH. AND I WOULD SAY EVEN, YOU KNOW, TO MR. SOUTHERN, I HOPE HE'S LISTENING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'VE MET WITH HIM A NUMBER OF TIMES AND THIS IS NOT THIS. THIS ITEM IS NOT ABOUT DOING ANY END AROUND OR DOING ANYTHING FOR HIS EXISTING SITUATION. IT WAS USED PRIMARILY AS AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE IF THIS BODY WANTS TO HAVE A WAY TO SAY, PERSONAL SERVICES IN ITS BROAD DEFINITION SHOULD NOT BE AS BROAD TO ENCOMPASS THIS AREA THAT WE DELINEATE IN A MEANINGFUL WAY SO THAT STAFF CAN ADMINISTER. AND WE'RE TAKING THE QUESTIONS OUT OF FUTURE. THIS ISN'T TRYING TO RESOLVE THAT ONE. AND WE WORKED THAT ONE ON A NUMBER OF FRONTS ALL OF THE TIME, AND IT HASN'T BEEN LOST ON ANYBODY. BUT AND THIS ISN'T AN END AROUND WHILE PEOPLE AREN'T UP NORTH, THIS IS THE PRELIMINARY DISCUSSION IS DOES COUNCIL WANT TO TRY TO AVOID THIS IN CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICTS WHERE THE MIXED USE IS MORE PREVALENT. AND AS YOU SAID, I AGREE WITH THAT. YOU CAN GO TO C3, WHICH IS HEAVY COMMERCIAL. AND IF THEY'RE IN A HEAVY COMMERCIAL AND YOU SAY, I WANTED AN HC AND AND C3, AND THEY ARE THE SAME, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY ARE. BUT IF THEY'RE IF I BELIEVE THEY'RE DIFFERENT AND THEY THOSE TWO ARE THE ONLY TWO THAT YOU DO IT. AND IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU MOVE IN, THEN BUYER BEWARE. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET HERE IS THIS IS THE OPENING SALVO TO WRITING THAT LEGISLATION. IF YOU BELIEVE THAT IS THE CASE. AND THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND NOTHING MORE THAN THAT. [03:20:01] SO IT ISN'T ABOUT PETTIT AS MUCH AS MAKING SURE PETTIT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN IN AREAS WE DEEM TO BE THAT MUCH THAT YOU SHOULD KNOW WHEN YOU GET INTO, AS OPPOSED TO THOSE THAT IT'S IFFY. I WANT TO SEE THEM EVERY TIME. THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT. LET'S JUST MAKE THAT DELINEATION SO WE CAN DO IT THAT WAY. BUT DIDN'T WE PASS A VARIANCE OR ALLOW THE ON THIRD ABOVE WHAT USED TO BE WHAT CLEOPATRA'S BARGE OR WHATEVER THE RESIDENTIAL TO GO ON THE SECOND FLOOR BECAUSE THE PERSON HAD BEEN IN TOWN FOR A LONG TIME AND HAD A LOT OF CONNECTIONS. WE JUST DID FOUR MONTHS AGO. YEAH, AND THAT MADE NO SENSE TO ME WHEN I WAS IN THE LAB. CODE IS THE CODE IN THROWING VARIANCES BECAUSE YOU HAVE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH SOMEBODY THAT JUST SEEMS. WHAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING THE CODE? YEAH. I THINK THAT ONE WAS THE 4 TO 6 MONTHS. IT WASN'T A VARIANCE BASED ON A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP. THAT WAS A CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST THAT CAME IN. BUT FOR RESIDENTIAL IN A VERY COMMERCIAL AND A CONDITIONAL USE, AGAIN, TO MR. YOUNG'S POINT, WE COULD HAVE A BIGGER, BROADER CONVERSATION ON ALL THE ZONING DISTRICTS AND LOOK AT ALL THE PERMITTED AND CONDITIONAL USES. BUT AS WE SIT HERE RIGHT NOW, IF A CONDITIONAL USE IS RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING THAT PREVENTS THEM FROM ASKING YOU GUYS FOR PERMISSION. RIGHT? CONDITIONAL USE. THINK ABOUT IT LIKE THIS IS A PERMITTED USE THAT HAS TO COME TO YOU THROUGH A DIFFERENT PROCEDURE, BECAUSE THERE MAY BE SOME CONDITIONS ADDED. YEAH. IF YOU DON'T WANT IT THERE, THEN PROHIBIT IT. RIGHT, RIGHT. AND. THANK YOU. MOVING ON. COUNCILWOMAN. GENTLEMEN. TOO SIMPLISTIC TO SUGGEST THAT ONLY IN COMMERCIAL AREAS AND NOT MIXED USE COULD SOLVE THE PROBLEM. ONLY IN COMMERCIAL AREAS. NOT MIXED USE. WOULD THAT SOLVE THE PROBLEM? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANY COMMERCIAL BUSINESS PARK. I'M LYING. BUSINESS PARK I DON'T BELIEVE ALLOWS RESIDENTIAL AND PROBABLY INDUSTRIAL. WE DON'T HAVE ANY LAND ZONED INDUSTRIAL, BUT WE STILL HAVE THAT ZONING DISTRICT. I THINK THOSE MIGHT BE THE ONLY TWO. MY POINT I WILL FACT CHECK MYSELF, BUT MY POINT IS THE MAJORITY OF YOUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS PROVIDE FOR MIXED USE. THEY PROVIDE FOR RESIDENTIAL AS A CONDITIONAL USE. AND I DO WANT TO I'M NOT, I JUST DEVIL'S ADVOCATE HERE. I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF YOU. IF YOU LOOK AT A FIFTH AVE, THE THE BENEFIT TO MIXED USE AND THE REASON WHY AS A PLANNING TOOL THAT'S BECOME, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ACTUALLY ENCOURAGED IN MOST COMMUNITIES IS A, IT ACTUALLY ALLOWS FOR A REDUCTION IN PARKING AND TRAFFIC. SO IT'S THE IDEA OF IF YOU LIVE WHERE YOU, YOUR COMMERCIAL USES ARE. THE PARKING REQUIREMENT FOR RESIDENTIAL IS MUCH LOWER THAN FOR COMMERCIAL USES. IT'S MUCH LESS CHANGE OUT. MEANING THOSE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE CONDOS ON FIFTH AVE LIKELY ARE NOT GETTING IN THEIR CAR AND DRIVING TO DINNER OR DRIVING TO THE THEATER OR DRIVING TO RETAIL. THEY'RE JUST WALKING AND SO MIXED USE. THAT'S A TOOL THAT, YOU KNOW, A PLANNING TOOL IS, IS TO CUT DOWN ON CARS ON THE ROAD AND THE PROVISION OF REQUIRED PARKING SPACES. SO IF YOU IMAGINE YOUR COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, ALL OF YOUR C1, C1, AND C2. IF YOU IMAGINE THOSE DISTRICTS PURELY COMMERCIAL, THREE STOREYS OF COMMERCIAL USES, THAT'S A VERY INTENSE. THAT'S A GREAT INTENSIFICATION OF WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THOSE DISTRICTS. YOU WOULD HAVE A LOT MORE INTENSITY. THAT'S COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES ON ALL THREE FLOORS OF ALL OF THOSE BUILDINGS IN ALL OF THOSE DISTRICTS. SO I JUST WANT YOU TO HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION AS YOU CONSIDER NOT ALLOWING RESIDENTIAL AT ALL. THANK YOU FOR THAT. THAT WAS VERY INSTRUCTIVE. BUT WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT PILATES STUDIOS IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. NO. WHAT YOU I'M VERY MUCH APPRECIATE WHAT YOU JUST ARTICULATED, BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PILATES STUDIOS. IF WE MOVE THOSE ONLY TO COMMERCIAL ZONE COMMERCIAL PERIOD, WOULD THAT SOLVE THE PROBLEM? I THINK. I THINK THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR PREVIOUS. YOU'RE WELCOME. I THINK THE BEST WAY TO ACHIEVE WHAT I THOUGHT I HEARD COMING OUT OF THE PREVIOUS DISCUSSION WAS WOULD BE TO DEFINE FITNESS FACILITIES. MAYBE NOT ALL THE SAME. MAYBE THERE'S DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATIONS. YOU KNOW, MAYBE A, A COMMERCIAL GYM LIKE AN LA FITNESS IS DEFINED DIFFERENTLY THAN A ONE ON ONE. YOU KNOW, MY SON GOES TO A BASKETBALL TRAINER. IT'S JUST HIM AND A TRAINER. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE SAME INTENSITY AS A GYM, BUT MAYBE A COUPLE DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATIONS. AND THEN BE VERY SPECIFIC IN THE DISTRICTS THAT YOU WANT TO. I MEAN, MAYBE BY CONDITIONAL USE THAT ONE ON ONE TRAINING WOULD BE COMPATIBLE IN A BUILDING THAT HAS RESIDENTIAL, BUT A GOLD'S GYM, WOULDN'T YOU KNOW, I WANT TO GET IN TROUBLE, KEEP USING THAT BRAND NAME. [03:25:03] BUT YEAH, YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE THAT. SO I THINK IT'S I CAN COME BACK TO YOU IF IF IT'S COUNCIL'S WILL WITH MORE INFORMATION. THIS WAS JUST US COMING TO YOU AND SAYING, DO YOU WANT STAFF TO SPEND OUR TIME EXPLORING THIS FURTHER AND BRINGING REGULATIONS BACK TO YOU? OR ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE WAY THE CODE IS NOW? AND WE WANT TO LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS, BUT I THINK A CONDITIONAL USE IS VERY HELPFUL IN THOSE FOR A PHYSICAL FITNESS FACILITIES IN THOSE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, BECAUSE THAT ALLOWS YOU TO EVALUATE EVERY ONE OF THEM INDIVIDUALLY WHERE YOU COULD SAY, LISTEN, I'M GOING TO PUT A CONDITION ON THIS THAT YOU DON'T OPEN BEFORE 8 A.M. AND YOU DON'T HAVE AMPLIFIED SOUND. YOU KNOW, THAT'S A CONDITION YOU CAN PUT ON A USE. SO I THINK THE CONDITIONAL USE IS A REALLY GOOD TOOL THAT ALLOWS YOU TO EVALUATE THEM INDIVIDUALLY AND HOW THAT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND WITH OTHER USES IN THE BUILDING. EXQUISITE ANSWER. THANK YOU. VERY THOROUGH, VERY WORTHY, I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. TO ADDRESS IT WITH, WE'RE REDOING THE CODE. I'M SORRY. WHAT IS THIS THE TIME TO ADDRESS THAT? YEAH. I'M SORRY. IF WE'RE DOING THE 2045 PLAN NOW, ISN'T THIS A TIME TO ADDRESS ALL THE ZONING VARIABLES THAT ARE OUT THERE? SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO YOUR ZONING CODE THAT WOULD HAPPEN OUTSIDE OF THE. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT MIXED USE AS A USE IN GENERAL? I MEAN, YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD BE A. WELL, I THINK WE ARE, BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FIFTH AVENUE AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOWNTOWN THAT ARE MIXED USE AREAS THAT WE WILL HAVE A, I THINK, CONVERSATIONS ABOUT IT. BUT YEAH, BUT IF WE KEEP MOVING THINGS FROM NOT HAVING THE TRUE CONVERSATION ON THE SUBJECT MATTER, WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TEN MORE THINGS IN THE SAME DISTRICT AS OPPOSED TO SAYING THIS IS A SPECIFIC ITEM. WHAT DISTRICTS DO WE WANT THEM TO BE A PERMITTED USE, AND WHEN DO THEY WANT THEM TO BE UNCONDITIONAL? OR WHERE DO WE WANT THEM TO BE PROHIBITED? IF WE KEEP PUTTING THEM ALL TOGETHER IN EVERY TOPIC, IN ONE SUBJECT, IN A REGION, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET ANYWHERE? YEAH. AND I SAY THAT WITH THE UTMOST RESPECT AND MAYOR TO THAT POINT. I MEAN, WELL, WE'RE MOVING ON TO ARE WE ARE WE ARE. SORRY, THAT CAME ACROSS WEIRD. I DIDN'T MEAN IT LIKE THAT. I MEANT I'LL STOP SPEAKING IF WE'RE MOVING ON. I JUST WANTED TO ADD SOME CLARITY BECAUSE IF NEEDED CLARITY IS GOOD. WE JUST HAVE TO. AGAIN, MY APOLOGIES. ARE WE KIND OF CAME OUT WEIRD. JUST KEEP IN MIND CHANGES LIKE REMOVING THE MIXED USE COMPONENT OF A ZONING DISTRICT ARE GOING TO LEAVE A LOT OF PROPERTIES NON-CONFORMING, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF GRANDFATHERING AND IT'S GOING TO BE VERY MESSY. OKAY, JUST PUTTING THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY EVEN CHANGING THE GYM, ALL THE PLACES WHERE IT'S ALLOWED. IF YOU CHANGE THOSE ZONING DISTRICTS, THOSE GYMS ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE UNTIL THEY'RE NO LONGER A GYM. SO I JUST THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP IN MIND. RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND JUST SO THAT I DIDN'T GET YOU CONCERNED, I WASN'T GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT NOT HAVING MIXED USE. IT'S THAT WE WILL BE DISCUSSING WHAT MIXED USE LOOKS LIKE IN CERTAIN DISTRICTS. YEAH. NO THANK YOU. CLARIFICATION IS GOOD WITH THAT. BLANKENSHIP. THANKS. YEAH. MULTIPLE THINGS ARE BEING DISCUSSED. SO ON THE IDEA OF SPLITTING OUT GYMS, FITNESS CENTERS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE IS A DISTINCTION BETWEEN A ONE ON ONE SERVICE, ONE ON ONE PERSONAL TRAINING, WHICH MAYBE IS A PERSONAL SERVICE VERSUS EVERYTHING ELSE THAT INVOLVES MULTIPLE PEOPLE, WHETHER IT'S AN OPEN GYM WITH WEIGHTS OR PILATES, YOGA CLASSES, WHATEVER. I THINK THOSE SHOULD BE BROKEN OUT SEPARATELY ON THIS LIST. I THINK WHERE WE REALLY NEED TO FOCUS OR THINK ABOUT IS MIXED USE. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF REDEVELOPMENT WHERE THESE ONE STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS COULD BE POTENTIALLY REPLACED BY THREE STORIES, WHERE IT'S THE FIRST FLOOR IS COMMERCIAL AND SECOND AND THIRD FLOORS RESIDENTIAL. AND TO THE EXTENT WE CAN COME UP WITH CRITERIA AROUND WHAT'S APPROPRIATE, LIKE WHAT'S PERMITTED AND THEN WHAT'S CONDITIONAL USE. SO MAYBE AND YOU START WITH THIS LIST PROBABLY AND SAY, OKAY, A BANK IS PROBABLY PERMITTED THAT'S PRETTY INTENSIVE OR A DOCTOR'S OFFICE OR DENTIST'S OFFICE, BUT YOU CAN COME UP WITH SOME THINGS THAT ARE PERMITTED AND OTHER THINGS ARE CONDITIONAL THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THEM CASE BY CASE. AND THAT WOULD BE THE THE FITNESS CENTER COULD BE AN EXAMPLE OF THAT. BUT YOU ALSO COULD DO IT THROUGH SOME OTHER CRITERIA THAT SAY COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES IN A MIXED USE BUILDING CAN ONLY OPERATE BETWEEN THESE HOURS. AND IF YOU WANT SOMETHING ELSE, THEN YOU HAVE TO COME BACK FOR A CONDITIONAL USE. SO THAT MAY HELP WITH THE RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL SPLIT THAT THEY HAVE TO BE. [03:30:02] IF THEY'RE A REGULAR BUSINESS, THEY NEED TO BE DONE BY 5 OR 6 OR WHATEVER. IF THEY'RE A RESTAURANT, THEY HAVE TO BE DONE BY 10 OR 11 OR WHATEVER WE COME UP WITH. BUT WE COULD COME UP WITH, I THINK, SOME GENERAL RULES THAT MAKE IT EASY FOR A PROPERTY OWNER TO LOOK AT AND SAY, OKAY, I CAN LIVE WITHIN THOSE RULES AND I CAN DEVELOP MY PROPERTY THE WAY I WANT TO OR HAVE A DIFFERENT IDEA. AND I WANT TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PITCH THAT AND SEE IF I CAN GET APPROVAL FOR IT. SURE. OKAY. AMPLIFIED SOUND SHOULD PROBABLY BE ONE OF THOSE CRITERIA. YEAH. YEAH. YEAH. LIKE IF YOU HAVE A FITNESS CENTER WITH NO SOUND, THEN THAT'S ONE THING. BUT YEAH, IF YOU HAVE A CLASS WITH SOMEBODY YELLING IN THE MICROPHONE WITH LOUD ROCK MUSIC, IT'S DIFFERENT. AND THEN THE HOURS YOU CAN REGULATE THE HOURS. AND THEN IN REFERENCE TO THAT AS WELL, I MEAN, A LOT OF THESE GYMS YOU GO TO, THEY HAVE A CLUB ATMOSPHERE, SO IT'S NOT EVEN A CLASS WHERE SOMEBODY'S GOT A MICROPHONE AND THEY'RE BLASTING MUSIC. THE GYM JUST BLASTS MUSIC. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THEY GOT, THEY WANT PEOPLE TO BE PUMPED UP AND ENERGIZED. AND THAT'S AMPLIFIED SOUND. YEAH. SO YEAH, I MEAN, IT'S DIFFERENT TYPES OF, OF FACILITIES ARE OUT THERE ARE RUN IN DIFFERENT FORMATS. SOME OF THEM ARE ALL ABOUT THE NOISE. AND LET'S, LET'S GET EVERYBODY JACKED UP HERE. AND OTHERS ARE, HEY, WE NEED TO FOCUS ON ON YOUR INNER WELL-BEING AND THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER. AND ONE'S GOING TO BE USING AMPLIFIED SOUND. ONE'S NOT. IT MAY STILL BE A GYM, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A GYM WITH, WITH ONE APPROACH VERSUS A VERSUS ANOTHER. AND JUST, JUST FOR A LITTLE HISTORIC KNOWLEDGE, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED WITH RESTAURANTS. YEAH. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A RESTAURANT THAT IS JUST WITHOUT AMPLIFIED MUSIC. I WAS GOING TO SAY RESTAURANTS ARE ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THAT, WHERE YOU HAVE A QUIET RESTAURANT THAT CLOSES AT 8 OR 9:00 IN A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT THAN ONE THAT'S VERY LIVELY, WITH AN AFTER HOURS CROWD THAT WANTS TO HAVE MUSIC AND THINGS GOING ON UNTIL MIDNIGHT. AND IT'S NOT THAT ONE IS RIGHT AND ONE IS WRONG. IT'S JUST WE WANT TO HAVE CLEAR CRITERIA ON WHAT'S PERMITTED VERSUS WHAT'S CONDITIONAL USE THAT YOU HAVE TO NOT TO PILE ON AND ADD MORE FOR YOU. BUT WE DON'T HAVE ESTABLISHED HOURS OF OPERATION. WE DON'T HAVE LIMITATIONS ON HOURS OF OPERATION. WE ESTABLISH THOSE FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, BUT FOR COMMERCIAL USES, THERE ARE NO LIMITATIONS ON YOUR HOURS OF OPERATION. IF IT'S PURELY COMMERCIAL, MAYBE THAT'S OKAY. I'M THINKING ABOUT MIXED USE WHERE WE. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. SO. SO RESTAURANTS ARE PERMITTED USES IN A LOT OF THESE DISTRICTS AND THERE IS NO, I DON'T KNOW, RESTAURANT THAT'S OPEN 24 HOURS HERE. BUT THERE'S NOTHING SAYING THEY COULDN'T. SO TO SAY YOU CAN'T HAVE A FITNESS CENTER, BUT YOU CAN HAVE A RESTAURANT THAT'S 24 OVER SEVEN BY PERMITTED USE, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S INCONSISTENT. YEAH. SO WHAT WE DO SEE IS THAT THIS ONE ISSUE FLOWS INTO SEVERAL ISSUES. AND WE DO WANT THIS TO COME BACK. I JUST SEE IT COMING PARTICULARLY YOU LOOK AROUND THE CITY AND YOU SEE A LOT OF OLDER BUILDINGS THAT ARE RIPE FOR REDEVELOPMENT, AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE CRITERIA THAT WE COME UP WITH THAT PEOPLE CAN LIVE BY OR UNDERSTAND WHAT THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT ARE. AND THIS IS WHY YES CAN CONTINUE. ARE YOU? I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO THAT'S THE CONCEPT. I DON'T NECESSARILY WANT TO GET INTO THE WEEDS YET ON GOING THROUGH EACH ONE OF THEM AND SAYING, WHICH ONE? I THINK IT COULD BE. I THINK YOU GUYS CAN COME UP WITH A PROPOSAL. YEAH. THAT YOU CAN BRING BACK TO US BASED ON. I MEAN, YOU LIVE IT EVERY DAY. I DO. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PROBLEMS AND THE QUESTIONS AND THE ISSUES ARE THAT WE CAN TRY TO ADDRESS AHEAD OF TIME. WELL SAID SO. YES, YES. POINT OF CLARITY. DO YOU DO YOU AGREE WITH THE CONCEPT THAT THE A, C AND THE C THREE THAT ARE COMMERCIAL, HEAVY AND HEAVY COMMERCIAL? I THINK HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL AND HEAVY COMMERCIAL, COMMERCIAL AND HEAVY. I'D SAY MAYBE BECAUSE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL IS THAT 41. RIGHT. AND THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF THESE SINGLE STORY BUILDINGS THAT ARE ALREADY BEING REPLACED WITH RESIDENTIAL ON TOP OF COMMERCIAL. SO I THINK WE MAY HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT MAYBE. OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO, IF I THOUGHT I COULD NAIL IT DOWN, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. BUT IF IT'S STILL IN QUESTION. GOOD QUESTION. AND YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THE DEVELOPER CAN ADDRESS THE QUESTIONS THROUGH THEIR CONSTRUCTION MATERIALS AND SOUNDPROOFING AND ACCESS AND THEIR OPERATING HOURS, BUT TO THE EXTENT WE CAN GIVE THEM THE PARAMETERS AHEAD OF TIME, I THINK THAT WOULD SOLVE A LOT OF POTENTIAL PROBLEMS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THAT CLARIFICATION. BUT ERICA THERE IS A DISTRICT. DOWNTOWN DISTRICT. IS THAT ON 41 CONSIDERED HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL? NOPE. THAT SECTION, THE, YOU KNOW, SOUTHERN SOUTH OF HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL, IT'S JUST DOWNTOWN. YEP. AND THAT IS A MIXED USE. YEP. EXACTLY. BUT NOT NORTH OF SEVENTH. NOT NORTH. RIGHT? AND THAT IS BY DEFINITION A MIXED USE DISTRICT. [03:35:03] RIGHT? PERFECT. KRAMER, I'M WITH YOU, VICE MAYOR. WE'RE COVERING A LOT RIGHT HERE. IT'S NOT. WE'VE LOST THE THE YOGA PILATES THING A LITTLE. BUT I DO HAVE TO SAY. AND I'M GOING TO. I LOVE MY DEAR SISTER AND HER HUSBAND SO MUCH, BUT WHEN THEY MOVED INTO BAYFRONT ON THE CORNER THERE, THE FIRST. I REMEMBER SITTING WITH HIM AND THE PLANES WERE AWESOME. WE JUST LOVE WATCHING THOSE PLANES COME IN AND BY YEAR FIVE IT WAS A HELLHOLE. AND SO THERE HAS TO BE SOME BUYER BEWARE IN THAT THERE HAS TO BE SOME RESPONSIBILITY. WHEN YOU'RE THE CONDITION, THE CONDITIONAL USE THAT YOU MOVED INTO THIS PLACE. AND IF YOU DIDN'T KNOW IT WELL, YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE BETTER RESEARCH. AND, AND ALSO THE FACT THAT FOLKS THAT LIVE IN THOSE AREAS, THIS HAPPENS VERY OFTEN AS WELL. THEY LOVE THE TAVERN, BUT THAT OTHER RESTAURANT? NO WAY. THEY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED IN THERE. WELL, WHY IS THIS OKAY? BUT THE ONE ACROSS THE STREET ISN'T LIKE. SO I'M JUST SAYING, PEOPLE'S GO THROUGH DIFFERENT SEASONS OF LIFE, AND THE ONUS NEEDS TO BE ON THOSE FOLKS IN THE DIFFERENT SEASONS, NOT ON US TO MAKE EVERY SITUATION PERFECT FOR WHOMEVER. SO NOW WE CAN DO BETTER. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT STRENGTH, SPEED, FLEXIBILITY, AND AGILITY, I'M AN EXPERT, CREDENTIALED EXPERT. SO LET ME WEIGH IN THERE. I DON'T CARE IF IT'S 1 OR 10, IF YOUR SON'S IF I'M TRAINING YOUR SON, HE'S GOING TO BE DOING POWER MOVEMENTS AND HE'S GOING TO BE THROWING A LOT OF WEIGHT AROUND AND HE'S GOING TO WORK TO EXHAUSTION. AND I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT ALL THE SUBFLOORING, ALL THE FLOORING, ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF MATTING, ALL OF THAT THAT'S REQUIRED. YOU CANNOT, IF YOU'RE DOING IT RIGHT, YOU CAN'T MAKE IT QUIET. SO WE TALK ABOUT STRENGTH TRAINING FIRST. THEY DO NEED TO BE SEPARATE. A YOGA STUDIO, BY THE WAY. YOGA, EVEN ZUMBA. DO YOU REMEMBER THAT? I HAD TO DO THAT. CAN YOU IMAGINE? YEAH, I AGILITY I DIDN'T DO THAT FOR VERY LONG. BUT ANYWAY, THE THE IDEA OF YOGA IS GRAVITY BASED. IT'S TRANSCENDENTAL. IT'S. THAT SHOULD BE ALLOWED ANYWHERE. I MEAN, THERE'S NO ROWDY YOGA CLASSES IF THEY'RE BEING DONE RIGHT. IT'S NO LONGER YOGA AT THAT POINT. YOU'RE CHANGING IT TO SOMETHING ELSE. NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S GOING TO MONITOR THAT, BUT MY POINT IS, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE BASED ON GROUPS. I THINK IT SHOULD BE MORE ON THE ACTIVITY. IF YOU HAVE STACKED WEIGHT, IF YOU'RE PUSHING OR PULLING LIKE YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE, IT'S GOING TO MAKE NOISE EVENTUALLY WHEN YOU SET IT DOWN BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BE AT EXHAUSTION. LIKE THAT'S JUST THE REALITY IF YOU'RE STRENGTH TRAINING. SO I THINK A DIVIDING LINE SOMEWHERE NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTAND, LOOK, IF WE'RE JUST DOING FLEXIBILITY AND OR GRAVITY AGILITY, LIKE THERE'S NOT THERE'S REALLY THAT'S NOT A NOISE GENERATOR. THAT'S NOT A LOT OF. I MEAN, YOU CAN CONTROL HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE IN A CLASS, RIGHT? BUT IF YOU'RE DOING STRENGTH TRAINING AND, AND SPEED AND STRENGTH GO TOGETHER, THEN ANY. ANY. AND I WILL SAY THE, THE LEGREE MACHINE, THE LEGREE PILATES, THEY'VE GOT THESE MEGAFORMER MACHINES. THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE. THEY'RE THE PULLEY SYSTEM, GRAVITY AND BASED AND, BUT YOU'RE USING BODY WEIGHT. AND SO YOU DO THOSE, THOSE ARE KIND OF AN IN BETWEEN THING BECAUSE NOW THEY'RE MADE VERY QUIET. IT'S AMAZING WHAT THEY'VE DONE WITH THE TECHNOLOGY. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT THING COULD EVOLVE INTO SOMETHING THAT CREATED A LOT MORE NOISE. I MEAN SO I SAY ALL THAT TO SAY, I THINK SOME THINGS ARE REALLY CUT AND DRY. I THINK IF IT'S YOGA, IT'S IF IT'S, IF IT'S JUST A PURE FLEXIBILITY, TRANSCENDENTAL DEAL, I DON'T SEE WHY WE WOULD LIMIT THAT. BUT WHEN AS SOON AS YOU START STRENGTH TRAINING, YOU BRING YOUR MACHINES, YOUR FREE WEIGHT. THERE'S YOU KNOW, THEY SAY ALL WE HAVE IS A MED BALL, BUT WE'RE THROWING THE MED BALL, A 45 POUND MED BALL AGAINST THE WALL. THE NEIGHBORS ARE GOING TO HEAR IT LIKE THAT'S I DON'T CARE IF IT'S ONE PERSON OR FIVE PEOPLE. SO I AS WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS CLASSIFICATION, I DON'T THINK THAT STRENGTH TRAINING PER SE WOULD BELONGS IN, I GUESS I SAID ALL THAT TO SAY THIS. IF YOUR STRENGTH TRAINING WITH ANY IMPLEMENTS WITH ANY MACHINES, THEN THAT WOULD BELONG IN A MORE OF A COMMERCIAL AREA THAN ANY OTHER AREA, IN MY VIEW. AND THEN I THINK THERE'S TREMENDOUS FLEXIBILITY ON, I JUST USED THE WORD LEEWAY FOR FLEXIBILITY TYPE. I MEAN, IT'S JUST IT DOESN'T TYPICALLY GENERATE SOUND UNLESS THAT'S THE OTHER THING. IF YOU'RE ORANGETHEORY IN IT. AND I MEAN, WE'RE ROLLING, OF COURSE, THEY HAVE IMPLEMENTS, BUT AMPLIFIED SOUND I THINK IS THE BIG IS THE BIG ONE. AND I LIKE TO THINK THAT OUR CODES THAT EXIST WOULD BE PUT IN EFFECT, AND THAT WOULD TAKE CARE OF THAT. I LIKE TO THINK THAT. EXCELLENT. AND I THINK THAT ALSO GOES TO THE APPLICATION HAS TO BE SPECIFIC TO THAT. [03:40:06] YEAH. YES. BECAUSE I THINK YOU I MEAN, YOU DO HAVE SOME PILATES STUDIOS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE YOU DON'T HAVE MUSIC PLAYING AND YOU DON'T HAVE SOMEONE ON A MICROPHONE, BUT THEN YOU ALSO HAVE PILATES STUDIOS WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE ALL THE. THAT'S RIGHT. THE PEOPLE GO RUN A COUPLE LAPS OUTSIDE AND THEN THERE IS SOMEONE ON, YOU KNOW, I THINK WITHIN EACH OF THESE CLASSIFICATIONS, THERE ARE ALSO DIFFERENT INTENSITIES. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY THE CONDITIONAL USE PROCESS IS SO IMPORTANT. YEAH. BUT I ALSO THINK THAT THAT LIKE I SAID, THE CODES THAT EXIST REGARDING NOISE, IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE ENFORCE THOSE AND THAT THAT KIND OF MODERATES A BUNCH OF IT. AND I HAVE TO SHOUT OUT TO MY WIFE, IT'S FUNNY WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS BECAUSE YESTERDAY WHEN WE WERE, WE WERE AT A GYM TOGETHER AND SHE TOLD ME, I MAKE WAY TOO MUCH NOISE. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, HONEY. I'LL TRY TO DO BETTER. GREAT INPUT. THANK YOU. I HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER. YEAH. YEAH. THE PROBLEM IS, YOU KNOW, YOU TOOK A NORMAL ACTIVITY AND IT MORPHS INTO SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT. AND, YOU KNOW, YOGA. YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH YOGA? WELL, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE A NEW AGE YOGA THAT COMES OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY GOT ROCKET SHIP NOISE OR WHATEVER. I MEAN, JUST CRAZY STUFF CAN HAPPEN. AND, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHY I'M FOR PURSUING SOME KIND OF PROTECTION. AND WHETHER IT BE A CONDITIONAL USE OR RESTRICTED AND HEAVY COMMERCIAL I THINK, I THINK THIS IS THIS ESPECIALLY FITNESS SEEMS TO BE MORE COMPLICATED BECAUSE THEY SEEM TO THAT, THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE, REINVENT THAT BUSINESS TO GET MORE BUSINESS. IT'S LIKE WHEN CIRQUE DU SOLEIL CHANGED THE CIRCUS BUSINESS TO A ENTERTAINMENT BUSINESS, YOU KNOW? SO IT'S IT'S MORPHING MORE INTO ENTERTAINMENT THAN FITNESS IN MY OPINION. SO. SO YOU KNOW, WHERE PEOPLE CAN MEET PEOPLE CAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S FESTIVE MUSIC, ALL THAT, SO IT'S MORPHING INTO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. SO THAT'S WHY THAT'S, THAT'S WHY WE'RE RUNNING INTO THESE ISSUES RIGHT NOW. YEAH. AND ANY FURTHER COMMENTS DON'T HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION YES, WE NEED TO DEFINE IT. CONDITIONAL USE AS POSSIBILITY, AS YOU SAID PROHIBITED. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD GET THERE, BUT IF THERE ARE AREAS THAT YOU FEEL BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON THAT NEED TO BE PROHIBITED IN ZONING CATEGORIES OBVIOUSLY IS WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND CONDITIONAL USE. BASED ON ACTIVITIES AND AMPLIFIED, AMPLIFIED SOUND. DID I ROCK IT? YEAH. YEAH. AND I THINK AT THIS POINT, ANYTHING. YEAH. YEP. CRITERIA. AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE ENOUGH TO BRING BACK TO YOU. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO BRING IT BACK THOUGH, IN A DRAFT ORDINANCE FORM, EVEN IF WE HAVE FIRST READING SEVERAL TIMES. BECAUSE WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO IS KEEP WORKSHOPPING IT AND NEVER PUT IT IN A DRAFT FORM. AND THEN WE DON'T MOVE THE BALL FORWARD. SO I WOULD LIKE TO, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, WORK WITH ERICA AND THE CITY ATTORNEY TO WORK IN UNDERSTANDING. IT'S A DRAFT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE WOULD YOU WANT TO DO ANOTHER WORKSHOP? WELL, THE ONLY DIFFICULTY THERE AS THIS WOULD BE THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO IT WOULD. IT WOULD GO TO THE A, B FIRST. WE'LL WORKSHOP IT, BUT I CAN BRING IT IN AN ORDINANCE FORM BEFORE WORK. NOT NOT ADVERTISE AS WELL. WHAT I MEAN IS I CAN BRING IT WITH ACTUAL LANGUAGE. YEAH. NO I, YOU KNOW LESS LESS WORKSHOP MORE MAKES A GOOD POINT. I THINK WE SHOULD JUST WE GOT ENOUGH DIRECTION. WE'LL GO TO A B AND WE'LL BRING YOU GUYS FIRST READING. BECAUSE THEN NOT THEN NOT BECAUSE ONCE YOU GO TO A B, YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK TO A B. SO IT'S PROBABLY GOOD TO GET YOUR LOCAL PLANNING AGENCIES INPUT ON HOW WE'VE DIFFERENTIATED THE USES. AND THEN ONCE IT'S AT YOU AT FIRST READING TO MR. YOUNG'S POINT, WE COULD HAVE FOUR READINGS IF WE NEED TO, BUT AT LEAST YOU'VE RECEIVED THE INPUT FROM YOUR LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY. SO THERE ARE WORKSHOP. YEAH, PRECISELY. GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR. NOT THAT THIS WASN'T A WORKSHOP. OKAY. GOOD DIRECTION. THANK YOU. AND JUST FOR THE GREATER GOOD THAT WE KIND OF TRIED TO GO DOWN THE ROADS. YOU HEAR THAT THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES BEFORE WE CAN ADDRESS THEM PRIOR TO IS BEING PROACTIVE IS. YES. I HAVE SPOKEN TO MR. YOUNG. YOU'LL BE SEEING A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ITEMS THAT ARE, AS WE CALL ON FIRE RIGHT NOW. [03:45:01] SO. YEP. PERFECT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. IT IS 12. WE'LL JUST ROUND IT UP TO 1240. AND THAT CONCLUDED 13 D CAN WE TAKE A 20 MINUTE LUNCH BREAK? OKAY. YES. NO DISAGREEMENTS. IT'S 1240. WE'LL COME BACK AT 1:00. OKAY. OKAY. WE'RE BACK IN FROM OUR SHORT BREAK FOR LUNCH AND CONTINUING ON WITH ITEM 13 E. [13.E) Consideration and Approval of the Updated Proposed 2027 Workshop and Meeting Schedule for the City Council and Community Redevelopment Agency (CRA).] THANK YOU. MAYOR. THIS IS A FOLLOW UP DISCUSSION. AND WE MADE WE BEGAN THIS DISCUSSION TALKING ABOUT THE DATES. AND WHEN I HAD. CHRISTINA SAID WE WERE SOUND BOARDING ALL THE DATES, MAKE SURE WE HAD THEM RIGHT. AND THEN WE REALIZED I NEVER TALKED. TOUCHED ON DECEMBER. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN FRONT OF YOU. WE. RIGHT NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT OUR SCHEDULE FOR THIS DECEMBER, WE DON'T SPLIT THAT. TAKE THAT WEEK OFF IN BETWEEN. AT LEAST YOUR CURRENT SCHEDULE DOESN'T HAVE THAT. SO WE'RE GOING TO FINISH THIS YEAR'S ON THE 9TH OF DECEMBER NEXT YEAR. RIGHT NOW WE HAD IT AS THE 13TH AND 15TH, BUT WE HAD EVEN THE ORIGINAL DRAFT I SENT YOU, BUT I FAILED TO DISCUSS IT THAT DAY WAS WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANTED TO KEEP THE SAME SCHEDULE, WHEREAS THE FIRST TWO WEEKS IN DECEMBER AND THEN YOU'RE DONE, WHICH GIVES YOU THE EXTRA WEEK ON YOUR BREAK IN DECEMBER. SO I JUST WANTED TO GET DIRECTION FROM YOU WHETHER YOU WANTED TO. IF YOU'RE MIRRORING THIS YEAR'S SCHEDULE, IT WOULD BE THE SIXTH AND THE EIGHTH. IF YOU WANT THE BREAK IN BETWEEN, AND YOU ONLY WANT THE BREAK TO START FOR YOUR. FOR THE HOLIDAY BREAK ON THE 15TH, JUST TELL ME AND THEN WE'LL GET THE FINAL VERSIONS SET. SO THAT'S REALLY ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS TO GET CONSENSUS ON IF YOU WANT TO KEEP IT THE SAME THIS YEAR AND NO BREAK IN BETWEEN AND YOU'RE DONE BY THE EIGHTH, OR DO YOU WANT IT TO BE THE 15TH AS YOUR LAST DAY? YES. NOT EVERYBODY JUMP AT ONCE. HELP ME HELP YOU. 15TH. RIGHT. WAS THAT THE OPTION? THE 15TH. MR. YOUNG, YOU HAVE THE OPTION OR THE EIGHTH? OH, EIGHT. THE 15TH. WHAT? WHY NOT THE EIGHTH? YOU LIKE THE 8008? I'LL SUPPORT. OKAY. SO. ALL RIGHT, WE HAVE SO WILL THE WILL THE COUNCILS WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS ONE. OKAY. AND CURL. OKAY. SO WE'LL, WE'LL SET THAT AS AND THEN SO IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND JUST MEMORIALIZE THAT AND THEN I'LL JUST PUT THAT ON I HAVE CONSENSUS. I WILL SEND IT AND IT'LL BE ON, ON THE CONSENT AGENDA ON THE 16TH 16TH AND WE'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT ADOPTING AS, AS THE SCHEDULE. WAS THAT IT? SO THIS IS THE FOLLOWING YEAR. WE'RE SETTING THIS UP FOR 27. SO THIS YEAR WILL BE THE NINTH WILL BE THE LAST DAY. AND THEN NEXT YEAR IT'LL BE THE SIXTH AND THE EIGHTH, AND YOU'LL BE FINISHED ON BE DONE ON THE EIGHTH. PUT IT IN THE WRONG. THAT WORKS PERFECTLY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I NEEDED. I JUST FAILED TO ADDRESS THAT WHEN WHEN WE ADDRESSED EVERYTHING ELSE. DURING 27. YES. OKAY. YEP. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'LL GET THAT AND YOU'LL SEE IT BACK BEFORE YOU WITH THOSE FINAL EDITS. AND AGAIN, I DO APOLOGIZE. SO DAVID, IF YOU COULD GO TO THE NEXT SCREEN FOR ME. [13.F) Discussion and Direction on City Council Priorities.] SO MONIQUE HANDED OUT THE SURVEY DOCUMENT IN TERMS OF JUST SO YOU ALL HAD IT AND YOUR PACKET YOU SHOULD HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT ITEMS. ONE IS THIS ONE HERE, WHICH JUST IT'S FOLDED SO THAT THE COMPOSITE SCORE CAME OVER. IF YOU WANTED TO LOOK AT THE DETAIL, YOU'RE WELCOME TO OPEN IT UP. THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS THE JUST THE UPDATED STATUS REPORT THAT WE ALREADY PRODUCE. THAT DEMONSTRATES SOME OF THE, THE UPDATES AS WE GO THROUGH ON A NORMAL BASIS. SO I WANTED TO HAVE THAT BEFORE YOU. AND THEN THE WORKSHOP SCHEDULE THAT WE'VE ALREADY GOT THE LOOK AHEAD, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. AND THE REASON IS, IS I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND WE DID CREATE A THE COUNCIL PRIORITIES AND THE PRESENTATION, WHICH WILL BE UP ON THE SCREEN. AND THEN I WANT TO JUST LEAVE THROUGH THEM SO THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WHAT WHAT I HAVE DONE AND THEN TAKE. IF YOU WANT SOMETHING REARRANGED, MOVED OR WHAT HAVE YOU PLEASE LET ME KNOW THAT. OKAY, SO THANK YOU DAVID. SO THE FIRST THING IS, AND THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, ITEMS ONE THROUGH 13 WAS ON YOUR SURVEY AND THE ITEMS BELOW THAT WAS NOT ON YOUR SURVEY. OR THEN THEY WERE WRITTEN IN UNDER SOMEBODY OTHER. SO WE'LL START WITH THE ONES THAT WERE ON THE SURVEY, AND THEN WE'LL GO THROUGH THE EVERYTHING ELSE. NOW, I DO WANT TO TAKE THE LIBERTY TO, TO TALK ABOUT ITEM 25. [03:50:05] AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS LEFT OFF, AND THAT WAS AN ERROR ADMINISTRATIVELY. SO I ADDED THAT BACK IN AS MY WRITE IN, BECAUSE COUNCIL HAD ALREADY BEEN APPROACHED BY EMHC AND HAD GIVEN A CONSENSUS VOTE REGARDING THE TEXT AMENDMENT, SO I. I FELT IT WAS MY OBLIGATION TO PUT IT BACK ON FOR DISCUSSION. TELL YOU WHEN I THOUGHT I COULD SLOT IT IF YOU WANTED IT, AND THEN YOU GUYS CAN TELL ME OTHERWISE. SO IN WORKING THROUGH THE DOCUMENT, WHAT THIS SHOWS ON THE DOCUMENT THAT YOU HAVE THERE IS, IS THAT ITEM ONE AS IT PERTAINS TO JUST THE ORDER OF THE SURVEY. IT CAME IN RANKED NUMBER FOUR. NOW I'M JUST GOING TO DO THE FIRST FIVE FOR A MOMENT AND THEN EXPLAIN WHAT I DID WITH THE SCHEDULING OF THE DATES. THAT'S IT. COULD YOU GO BACK ONE? THERE YOU GO, DAVID. THANK YOU. SO THE REVIEW OF THE DOWNTOWN SCHEDULED. I HAVE IT ON THE LOOK AHEAD AS TEN SEVEN. THAT IS A COUNCIL MEETING THAT I BELIEVE I HAVE THE BANDWIDTH IN THE MEETING BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU, AND I'VE MENTIONED YOU BEFORE THE OCTOBER COUNCIL MEETING, GIVEN THE SCHEDULE FOR THE SEPTEMBER PAB, YOU'RE LIKELY TO HAVE 12 LAND USE ITEMS. SO THAT MEETING WE'RE NOT GOING TO LAND USE IS GOING TO BE THE PREDOMINANT PART OF THAT MEETING. SO WHAT I'VE DONE IS SAID, WELL, TEN SEVEN, I THINK I HAVE ENOUGH BANDWIDTH IN THE MEETING. I CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM AND I WANT TO BRING DE DOWNTOWN. NOW BY YOUR RANKING, IT WAS NUMBER FOUR, BUT IT IS SCHEDULED ON THE LOOK AHEAD AS TEN SEVEN. THEN YOU TAKE THE NEXT THREE AND THEY ARE TO REVIEW THE FIFTH AVENUE OVERLAY, INCLUDING PARKING, OUTDOOR DINING, BUILDING, TWO LINE. AND THEN WE HAVE THE FIFTH AVENUE VALET PARKING AND ROOFTOP DINING. THESE WERE ALL VARIOUS CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE OCCURRED. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THE RANKING OF THOSE, IT'S SEVEN, EIGHT AND 11, BUT WE HAVE THE ROOFTOP DINING WAS THE ONE THAT SAID, WELL, IT'S GOING TO EXPIRE. WELL, THAT HAS PARKING CONNOTATIONS TO IT. AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT OUTDOOR DINING OR ROOFTOP DINING, YOU MIGHT AS WELL HANDLE ALL OF FIFTH AVENUE AT THE SAME TIME. AND THAT'S WHY I SLOTTED THEM FOR THE SAME WORKSHOP AS 1019. THAT WAY WE CAN, IF WE'RE SITTING THERE TALKING ABOUT ROOFTOP DINING AND THE IMPLICATIONS ON PARKING, IT MAKES LOGICAL SENSE TO HAVE THEM ALL IN FRONT OF YOU AT THE SAME MEETING. SO THAT'S WHAT I TRIED TO DO HERE AND SLOT THEM WHERE APPROPRIATE. SO AND AS YOU GO DOWN. SO I'M TAKING THAT AS TEN, 1910, 19 1019 IS ROOFTOP DINING. THE MIRACLE MILE UPDATE WAS ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR 914, HAD A MEETING WITH THE NEW LEADERSHIP GROUP OF THE MIRACLE MILE AS IT'S RECONSTITUTED, MR. FOX AND SOME OTHERS AND HAVE A FOLLOW UP TOMORROW AT NOON. SO THIS WAS ALREADY SLATED TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU ANYWAY ON 914. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, IRONICALLY, THAT CAME IN AS NUMBER ONE AND THE IN THE CONSENSUS RANKING OF HIM. SO I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW SO THAT ONE WILL BE THERE NOW SIGNAGE AND LIGHTING REGULATIONS. I HAVEN'T PICKED A DATE YET. AND THE REASON I HAVEN'T IS BECAUSE IF IT DIDN'T FIT IN IN CORRELATION AND THEY WERE RANKED 12 AND 14, I JUST DIDN'T PICK A DATE YET BECAUSE I WASN'T GOING TO GO BEYOND DECEMBER. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I JUST NEEDED TO. IT'S NOT TO SAY IT CAN'T BE PICKED AND YOU CAN PICK IT TODAY. I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW I WASN'T PICKING A DATE FOR IT BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE. I DON'T BELIEVE I HAVE THE BANDWIDTH TO GO PAST DECEMBER AT THE MOMENT IN PLANNING THAT. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE WAY I DID THAT. NOW, THE OTHER PART ON CONTINUED DISCUSSING ON PAID PARKING IN 1019. THAT WON'T BE A VERY IN-DEPTH CONVERSATION, BUT I DO INTEND TO COME TO YOU TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IF WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT FIFTH AVENUE, THE VALET, ROOFTOP DINING, PAID PARKING ON THE STREET, IT HAS TO BE A COMPONENT, INCLUDING SIGNAGE, HOW YOU PUT MARKINGS ON THE GROUND AND UNDERSTAND IF WE GO DOWN THIS ROAD, NO PUN INTENDED, WE NEED TO KNOW THE VISUAL RAMIFICATIONS AND HOW IT COULD ALTER THAT STREET SOMEWHAT. SO THAT'S WHY I THINK IT'S A FAIR TIME TO HAVE THAT COUPLED WITH THAT AS WELL. OKAY, IT WON'T BE HERE'S WHO WE'RE CHOOSING OR IT'S JUST GOING TO BE CONCEPTUAL. DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'D BE DOING TO THE AVENUE IF WE OR POTENTIALLY DOING AND WHAT ARE WHAT ARE SOME OBSTACLES TO THAT? OKAY. THEN WE GET TO REVIEW UNDERGROUND PARKING. NOW IT CAME IN AS NUMBER TWO. AND SO WHAT I'VE WORKED OUT IN THIS CASE IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROFESSIONAL CONSULTANT COME IN. STEVE BECKMAN WILL BE HERE. WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE ACTUALLY HAS IN IT RELATED TO THOSE TYPES OF CONSTRUCTIONS. AND THEN ALSO, IF WE WERE GOING TO WRITE CODE, WHAT THAT PATH WOULD LOOK LIKE AND CONSIDERATIONS YOU HAVE TO MAKE. [03:55:03] SO THAT'S THE EXTENT OF THAT. AND I THINK WE WANT TO HAVE THAT AS ON 1116, I BELIEVE THAT CAN BE A GOOD MEETING THERE. THE OUTDOOR DINING REGULATIONS FOR POTENTIAL CHANGES. SO HERE'S WHERE THIS THIS LAST UPDATE ON THIS ONE. AND I'M DEBATING AND I'LL TALK TO, TO, TO MATTHEW A LITTLE BIT ON THIS ONE, BECAUSE THIS WAS THE ONE THAT THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL HAD DECIDED AT FIRST READING THAT THEY WANTED US TO SUNSET CERTAIN OUTDOOR DINING ON PUBLIC LAND. AND THE POINT BEING IS IT'S A NEW COUNCIL NOW AND WE WANT TO I THINK IT'S TIME TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION AND UNDERSTAND IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO RATHER THAN PICK IT UP AND START SENDING A DRAFT BACK, WE'RE GOING TO WE'LL DISSEMINATE THE MINUTES FROM THAT AND THEN ALSO JUST SAY, LET'S HAVE A CONVERSATION TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THAT. SO IT IS OUTDOOR DINING ON PUBLIC SPACE IS THE ONE THAT WE WANT TO HAVE A FOLLOW UP, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF I MAY MOVE THAT UP IF WE THINK WE CAN GET IT INTO THE 19TH, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S SCHEDULED FOR OCTOBER OR NOVEMBER. EXCUSE ME, BUT OUTDOOR DINING. WAIT, DID YOU SAY FIFTH AVENUE? OUTDOOR DINING ON PUBLIC SPACE IS THE ONE THAT I'M SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT. YEAH, BUT IT AFFECTS PARKING. YEAH. SO SO THAT'S WHY I SAID I IN LOOKING AT, I WAS GOING TO TRY TO MOVE IT UP TO THE 19TH TO GO ALONG WITH IT. THAT'S THAT WOULD BE THE HOPE. EVEN IF I HAVE TO MOVE SOMETHING ELSE. BUT I'LL, WHEN I FINISH THE 19TH, YOU'LL SEE, YOU'LL SEE THAT SOMETHING MAY END UP HAVING TO PUSH, BUT WE'LL GET TO THAT IN JUST A MOMENT. OKAY. SO ANYWAY, SO THAT ONE WILL BE EITHER THE 1019 OR 1116 AND I'M WORKING ON THAT. THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS SO AND THAT WAS NUMBER FIVE ON YOUR LIST TO BE CLEAR. OKAY, THEN WE GET TO SUBDIVISIONS AND THIS IS ONE THAT WE FIGURE NOVEMBER WOULD BE A GOOD MEETING ON. IT WAS TEN ON YOUR LIST. BUT ERICA AND STAFF AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THERE IS AN IMPORTANCE TO GET BEFORE YOU THAT AS WELL. SO WHILE IT'S TEN ON YOUR LIST, IT ALSO HAS A COMPANION PIECE. WE'D LIKE TO GET SOME CLARIFICATION. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE I'M PUTTING IT ON. I'VE SCHEDULED IT AGAIN. THIS IS YOUR SCHEDULE. SO IF I'VE MISSED THINGS OR YOU WANT TO REPRIORITIZE, YOU'LL TELL ME THAT. AND THEN THE, THE NEXT TWO ITEMS. SO LET ME SAY THIS. AMY PATTERSON GOT BACK TO ME, ACCEPTED THE DECEMBER 1ST DATE FOR THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS MEETINGS. I'LL BE MEETING WITH HER TO GO OVER TOPICS. BUT WE ALSO RECOGNIZE AS A GROUP, WE NEED TO GO OVER TOPICS. AND SO ONE OF THEM IS, WAS, WAS ON OUR LIST AND IT'S THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND SALES TAX INITIATIVE. IT WON'T BE A BIG DEBATE ON ON THAT WORKSHOP DATE, BUT JUST TO HAVE A CONVERSATION OF WHY IT'S IMPORTANT. AND WHY WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE THEM IF THEY'RE GOING TO GO FOR IT. THE OTHER PART IS TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON HOW WE'RE USING THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT OBLIGATES US ON CERTAIN THINGS AND WATER SEWER UPDATES YOU ON THAT. AND THEN REALLY TO TAKE THAT OCTOBER MEETING JUST TO BUILD THE FRAMEWORK OF WHAT ALL THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS WE HAVE WITH THE COUNTY ARE. SO WE'RE PREPARING BY DECEMBER 1ST TO SAY, WHAT ARE THE ONES THAT ARE THE THE ONES WE REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT AND WHICH ONES CAN WE HAVE AN ADMINISTRATIVE, YOU KNOW, NEGOTIATION ON? AND, AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF ONE IS, IS THAT WE'VE BEEN WE SEND THE BILLS OUT FOR THEIR SANITARY SEWER WITHIN OUR WATER DISTRICT. AND WE'VE HAD THE SAME 4000 FOR APPROXIMATELY 27 YEARS. THAT SHOULD BE SOMETHING WE CAN NEGOTIATE WITH THE COUNTY MANAGER. AND MAYBE IT'S PART OF IT. IT'S JUST A SIDE NOTE TO IT. BUT THOSE ARE THE KIND OF CONVERSATIONS WHILE I'M HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH YOU, I'D LIKE TO HAVE WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AS WELL. SO IT'S THAT KIND OF A THING. SO IF WE HANDLE THE ONE SENT AND THE OTHER AS WE PREPARE FOR THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DISCUSSION. SO THAT'S THE RANKING THAT I HAVE. AND THOSE WERE THE ONES THAT WERE SENT TO YOU. NOW I KNOW THE 19TH SOUNDS LIKE A LOT, BUT IT'S REALLY I THINK THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS IS NO MORE THAN AN HOUR AND A HALF. IF YOU HAVE ALL THE DOCUMENTATIONS AHEAD OF TIME, YOU HAVE A SPREADSHEET OF ALL THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS. I THINK THAT ONE'S AN HOUR AND A HALF. I THINK WE CAN SPEND FIVE HOURS ON FIFTH AVENUE BY ITSELF, BUT THAT IS THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT PARTICULAR ONE. AND SO I THINK THAT IT LENDS ITSELF TO HAVING A COMPREHENSIVE CONVERSATION AT THE SAME TIME, RATHER THAN PIECEMEALING IT. SO THAT'S THAT PART. THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NEXT SLIDE, DAVID, IF YOU GO INTO THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED WERE FILLED IN ON OTHER, THE OTHER WHERE IT SAYS ORDINANCE CHANGES FROM THE COMP PLAN UPDATE. WELL, THE REASON THAT SAYS AUGUST TO DECEMBER OF 2027, AS INDICATED IN THE PREVIOUS ITEM, AT BEST CASE SCENARIO, YOU DON'T GET THIS BACK THE COMP PLAN BACK UNTIL AT LEAST AUGUST OF 2027 TO BE ABLE TO BE MAKING CODE CHANGES THAT ARE [04:00:10] DEPENDENT ON THAT COMP PLAN. SO WHILE I RECOGNIZE IT'S A PRIORITY, THE ACTUAL CODE CHANGES CAN'T HAPPEN UNTIL THE COMP PLAN IS ADOPTED AND ACCEPTED, AND THEN YOU MAKE THE CODE CHANGES. SO NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T IF IT'S NOT IN THE COMP PLAN, THE QUESTION IS ARE YOU GOING TO WANT TO DO THEM PRIOR TO THE COMP PLAN IS, I GUESS THE ACCEPTANCE IS THE QUESTION THAT I WOULD HAVE THERE. AND THEN SEAWALL HEIGHTS AND HIGHER ELEVATION. REALISTICALLY, I THINK THOSE WILL BE 1116. WE WANT TO DO THAT AS PART OF THE RESILIENCY DISCUSSION ANYWAY. AND WE ALREADY HAD THOSE SLATED TO COME BACK TO YOU AS PART OF THE OVERALL COMP PLAN DISCUSSION. AND AS I INDICATED EARLIER, WE DO INTEND TO HAVE A RESILIENCY DISCUSSION IN OCTOBER WITH PAB, INCLUDING UPDATING THEM ON THE BUDGET AND THOSE INITIATIVES. TO ME. SO IT SEEMS LIKE A NATURAL FIT TO BRING THEM IN IN NOVEMBER, THEY THEN REVIEW UPDATES OF INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS. THAT WAS ONE, AND THAT IS TO ME IS CONSISTENT WITH THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DISCUSSION FOR DECEMBER 1ST. SO THAT WILL BE ON 1019 THAT WE BRING IN BEFORE COUNCIL AND THEN THE SPECIAL EVENT MANUAL AS EARLY AS THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT, WE SAID THAT I'D BRING IT IN OCTOBER. THAT. AND THAT IS THE MEETING THE SAME OCTOBER 7TH MEETING. I BELIEVE WE CAN FIT IT IN THERE. AND THE REASON THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT AND TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT COUNCIL MEETING IS THAT I INDICATED IF YOU HAVE 12 LAND USE ITEMS, THE SECOND MEETING IN OCTOBER, I CAN'T DO IT THERE. AND I REALLY WANT TO GET THROUGH THOSE FIFTH AVENUE ITEMS ON THE ON THE WORKSHOP DATE IN OCTOBER. FROM THERE YOU GO TO THE WATER QUALITY AND TESTING AND INLAND AND COASTAL WATERWAYS. IRONICALLY, YOU ALREADY HAVE PRESENTATIONS SCHEDULED. THE STORMWATER POND. WATER QUALITY IS ALREADY SLATED FOR THE NINTH. 14. LOOK AHEAD AND THEN THE ESTUARY. ESTUARINE WATER QUALITY AND BIOLOGICAL ANALYSIS WAS ALREADY SLATED FOR TEN. 19. SO THOSE ARE GOING TO STAY WHERE THEY WERE. FOLLOW UP ON RESILIENCY, CLIMATE ADAPTATION, AND OVERALL RESILIENCY. I THINK THAT IS WHEN WE'LL GIVE YOU THE UPDATE. IF YOU REMEMBER, IT WAS LAST AUGUST. WE UPDATED THE ENTIRE RESILIENCY PLAN, THE PILLARS. AND THEN YOU'VE WE'VE HAD THE CIP, YOU INCREASED RATES, YOU'VE DONE THE THE YOU HAVE PASSED THE BUDGET WILL HAVE HAD THE PRELIMINARY ON THE PAB. AND THEN JUST BRING IT BACK FULL CIRCLE BECAUSE IN MY OPINION, IF WE COME BACK IN DECEMBER, THAT BEGINS TO FORESHADOW WHAT ARE WE DOING IN NEXT YEAR AND WHERE ARE WE AT ON EVERYTHING THAT WE HAD STARTED AND PLANNED ON? SO I THINK THAT LENDS ITSELF TO BEING THE ONLY ONE THAT'S SCHEDULED FOR THE DECEMBER 2ND AT THE MOMENT. OKAY. AND THEN THE, THE NEXT THREE, IT SAYS CONSTRUCTION OF NAPLES BEACH OUTFALL PROJECT, NORTH PUMP STATION AND STORM LAKE WATER MANAGEMENT. AGAIN, THOSE ARE ALREADY ON HERE AND WE KEEP UPDATING THIS FOR YOU. SO IT'S NOT OOPS. I'M SORRY. IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT LISTED ON THE PRIORITIES THERE BECAUSE IT'S ON A SEPARATE SHEET, WHICH SHOWS YOU THE CITY COUNCIL PRIORITY STATUS REPORT, WHERE WE UPDATE YOU ON WHAT'S NEXT AND WHETHER WE'RE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE OR STILL ON SCHEDULE. AND SO TO ME, THOSE THREE ARE THOSE TWO FOR THE OUTFALL PROJECT PLUS THE STORMWATER LAKE ARE OUTLINED THERE. OKAY. AND SPECIFICALLY A SECOND, I'LL TELL YOU. YEAH. SO THE BOTTOM OF PAGE THREE IS THE STORM LAKE'S MANAGEMENT, THE SWAN LAKE, EAST LAKE. AND THEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE DEVIL, THE THE LOOK AHEAD, WE ACTUALLY HAVE A PRESENTATION SLATED FOR SWAN LAKE AND DEVILS LAKE TO COME BACK TO YOU AS WELL IN OCTOBER. SO I THINK WE'VE WE'RE ACCOMPLISHING THAT. THE BEACH OUTFALL RESTORATION PROJECT IS THE BOTTOM OF PAGE TWO. AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING INDIVIDUALLY WILL BE, I'LL MAKE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, I'LL ACCOMMODATE ANY REQUEST ANY TIME. AND, BUT I THINK WE'RE STILL ON SCHEDULE TO BE, YOU KNOW, JANUARY, FEBRUARY MAYBE MARCH, BUT WE'RE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE. I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. WE'RE DOING VERY WELL ON THAT PROJECT. BIGGEST, NEXT BIGGEST THING THERE. AND I WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES IS THE SETTING OF THE BACKUP GENERATOR ON NAPLES BEACH CLUB PROPERTY. THEY HAVE TO REMOVE THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS, THEY DELINEATED THAT EASEMENT FOR US INSIDE THAT FACILITY. THERE WILL BE SOME OTHER EQUIPMENT THAT'S GOING TO MOVE TO THE BEACH ACCESS AND WORKING ON DESIGN RIGHT AT THE BEACH END, WORKING ON DESIGN RIGHT NOW. AND I'LL BRING THAT TO YOU TO SHOW YOU WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE AND WHY THAT NEEDED TO OCCUR. BUT WE EXPECT THAT TO BE DONE BY THE END OF OCTOBER. [04:05:02] SO THAT NAPLES BEACH CLUB ISN'T WORRIED ABOUT HAVING THE GENERATOR FLYING OVER IN THE MIDDLE OF SEASON AND SO ON. SO WE MAY NOT BE DONE WITH THE FULL LANDSCAPING AND BEAUTIFICATION PART OF EIGHTH AVE, BUT THE BULK OF THE CONSTRUCTION SHOULD BE DONE BY SEASON. AND AND LIKE I SAID, AND THEN HOPEFULLY BY JANUARY OR FEBRUARY, WE'RE TURNING EVERYTHING ON. SO AND THEN YOU GET TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS ONE, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THREE COUPLE SPEAKERS AND THEN WE HAD THE OWNER OF A PROPERTY COME IN ABOUT HIS WORKERS. AND I THINK THERE WAS A CONSENSUS TO BRING IT BACK. IT FAILED TO MAKE THE PRIORITY SURVEY, NOT BY I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY OF THAT, BUT NOT BY A DESIRE TO STIFLE IT. SO I'VE SLATED IT FOR 1116. IT CAN BE MOVED JUST LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE CAN BE. AND THAT'S WHY I PUT IN THERE THAT I WROTE IT ON BECAUSE I OMITTED IT FROM THE SURVEY, AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNEW THAT. SO WITH THAT SAID, I'M OPEN TO REARRANGE FILL OUT. THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY IS SEPTEMBER IS PRETTY MUCH SET BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE PUBLISHING THAT IN A, IN A, IN ANOTHER WEEK. OCTOBER CAN BE IN PLAY. IF YOU BELIEVE SOMETHING IN NOVEMBER NEEDS TO MOVE UP AHEAD OF THE OTHER ONES. BUT I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS SOMETHING TO WHERE IT WAS SUCH A DELAY THAT THESE THESE ITEMS COULDN'T BE, YOU KNOW, MASSAGED IN THOSE REGARDS. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT'S SLATED OR SLOTTED IN THE CONVERSATION ITEMS THAT YOU WE HAVE LISTED HERE, THERE'S ONLY TWO OF THEM WE HAVEN'T SLOTTED YET. AND FOR ME, AND EVEN BY YOUR VOTES, THEY'RE LESS THAN ANY OF THE OTHER ITEMS THAT WERE IN THE ORIGINAL SURVEY. SO I'LL I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT AND I'LL OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSIONS, CORRECTIONS OR SOMETHING I'VE MISSED. WHO WOULD LIKE TO START. KRAMER. I'LL SAY THIS FIRST AND LAST, THAT I SUPPORT THE ORDER THAT YOU HAVE THINGS IN. I THINK IT WORKS FOR YOU. IT WORKS FOR ME, AND I THINK I DON'T SEE ANYTHING PRESSING THAT WOULD NEED THAT TO BE MODIFIED. I WILL SAY I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING THAT A COUPLE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SPENT AN INORDINATE AMOUNT OF TIME ON AREN'T EVEN ON HERE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, HOWEVER, THAT YOU KIND OF GET BLINDSIDED BY 4005 OR WHATEVER. I WAS BLINDSIDED, BUT THAT'S JUST ONE ITEM. TALK ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THERE'S THERE'S JUST A LOT THAT WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON THAT NOT A LOT. THERE'S A FEW THINGS WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME ON. SO, SO HAVING SAID THAT, I SUPPORT THIS AND THE DIRECTION YOU'RE TAKING US. THANKS, KRAMER. I AGREE, BUT WHAT BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY IN PROGRESS, THE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE SPENT TIME ON. NO. JUST INTERESTINGLY. NO. YEAH. THEY'RE IN PROGRESS. THEY'RE DEFINITELY IN PROGRESS. YES. SO CAN YOU JUST WELL, FOR EXAMPLE, THE AIRPORT THAT'S REALLY IN PROGRESS AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS REALLY IN PROGRESS. A COUPLE OF THEM, BUT YEAH. ANYTHING ELSE? NO. I MEAN, I THINK WE'VE I THINK WE'VE COVERED. IT'S JUST I JUST LOOK AT HOW MUCH THE THINGS THAT WE REALLY HAVE SPENT THE, THE MAJORITY OF OUR TIME ON, WHICH WE'RE STILL DOING. YEAH. OKAY. IT JUST DIDN'T. YEAH. THEY WEREN'T ON THIS LIST BECAUSE THEY WERE IN PROGRESS AS A PART OF. I ONLY MENTION THAT BECAUSE IF YOU'RE JUST WATCHING AT HOME OR WHATEVER. OH. GOT IT. LIKE WE IT'S NOT THAT IT'S NOT A PRIORITY. IT'S IT IS. RIGHT. RIGHT. JUST DIDN'T NECESSARILY MAKE THE LIST BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE THROES OF IT. EXACTLY. THANKS. I'VE GOT A QUICK QUESTION. BOLLARDS AND CAMBIER PARK. ARE WE APPROVING THE DESIGN OF THAT OR WHERE IS THAT? I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ABOUT THAT IN A WHILE, SO I EXPECT THAT TO COME TO A COUNCIL MEETING BEFORE YOU. THE A LETTER OF INTEREST WAS ALREADY DONE. COMMITTEE HAS BEEN FORMED. THEY WILL BE EVALUATING WITHIN THE NEXT SEVEN DAYS. AND THAT DRAFT WISE, IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE FIRST MEETING IN OCTOBER TO AWARD THE DRAFT CONTRACT. BUT THAT RFP WENT OUT OR LETTER OF INTEREST WENT OUT TO GET THE ENGINEER, BECAUSE IT WILL BE A PROJECT THAT'S OVER THE 50. SO WE'LL BRING THE ENGINEER BACK TO YOU AS WELL. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. OTHER ITEMS I I'M REMISS IN SAYING WE DIDN'T DISCUSS PUBLIC ART. YEAH. AND I, I HAVE THAT I STILL HAVE I'VE HAD THE MEETING WITH THE COMMITTEE ON DOING THE OTHER ONE. THE ACTUAL PIECE OF ART TO GO IN BAKER PARK AS, AS FOR OUR PROJECT, OUR JOINT PROJECT WITH THE GULFSHORE PLAYHOUSE AND THE OTHER. SO THAT PANEL I MET WITH THEM TWO WEEKS AGO. I HAVE ANOTHER MEETING COMING UP. THEY PROVIDED US WITH RFP, SAMPLE RFP. MR. GLASS DID THAT. WE'VE MORPHED THIS PRIVATE SECTOR RFP INTO GOVERNMENT LANGUAGE, AND FELIX HAS DONE FIRST DRAFT ON THAT. I HAVE A MEETING ON FRIDAY ON THAT. SO MY INTENT WAS NOT TO EXPAND THE PUBLIC ART DISCUSSION UNTIL WE FINISHED THIS ONE, [04:10:04] BUT AND DEAL WITH INDIVIDUAL PIECES IF THEY WERE BROUGHT UP, FOR EXAMPLE THE, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE MONUMENT PIECE THAT THEY WANTED TO HAVE IN GAMBIER AND, AND THE OTHER THINGS, BUT IT WASN'T PLANNING ON TAKING ON THE CHANGE OF PUBLIC ART FROM DRB UNTIL AFTER WE GOT THROUGH THE ONE THAT WAS THERE. AND IF YOU WANT THAT TO BE A PRIORITY AND, AND DO THAT, I WOULD DO THAT. MAYOR. I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW FROM MY STANDPOINT, WHEN I WAS NO, I NEED CLARIFICATION ON PUBLIC ART AS IT RELATES TO MURALS AND THAT IN PUBLIC ART. YEAH. OKAY. PUBLIC ART IS DEFINED. THE MURALS ARE ALSO A RESPONSIBILITY OF DRB, BUT I'LL ALLOW ERICA TO. AND THERE IS ONE OTHER COMPONENT OF THE PUBLIC ART YOU COULD ACTUALLY. IF IF IT WAS PUT ON THE SIDE OF A BUILDING THAT WAS ADJACENT TO YOUR PARK, YOU COULD ACTUALLY HAVE CSA BE INVOLVED, WHICH WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION WHEN WE WERE HAVING THE ISSUE WITH THE ART. I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF IT, BUT THE NAPLES ART ASSOCIATION ASSOCIATION, AS DO THEY WANTED A MURAL, BUT IT WASN'T GOING TO GO ON THE BUILDING. IT WAS GOING TO BE A SEPARATE. AND SO BUT ANYWAY, I'LL DEFER TO ERICA TO TO CITE THIS SECTION OF CODE WHERE MURALS ARE DEFINED. WELL, YES, THAT'S THE EXACT POINT. I CANNOT BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT IN OUR CODE. BUT NO, I THINK WHAT I CAN, YOU KNOW, SHED SOME LIGHT ON HERE IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PUBLIC ART AS IT IS DEFINED IN YOUR CODE. AND PUBLIC ART AS YOUR CODE PROVIDES. IT IS A PROGRAM AND IT IS ESSENTIALLY ASSESSES FOR NEW NONRESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT AT A DOLLAR PER SQUARE FOOT. THERE, THE DEVELOPER IS REQUIRED TO EITHER TO PAY INTO THE PUBLIC ART FUND OR PLACE ARTWORK ON SITE. SO THAT'S THE PUBLIC ART PROCESS. I THINK THEN THERE IS ALSO ARTWORK ON PUBLIC, NOT PUBLIC BUILDINGS, BUT ARTWORK THAT IS OBSERVED BY THE PUBLIC, WHICH IS A SEPARATE PROCESS. SO PUBLIC ART, IF IT IS, IF IT IS INTENDED TO MEET THE PUBLIC ART REQUIREMENT, DOES REQUIRE REVIEW BY CITY COUNCIL. SO YOU WOULD REVIEW THE ARTIST, YOU'D REVIEW THE ARTWORK, THE LOCATION, ALL OF THOSE THINGS. NOW, IF A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER JUST WANTS TO PLACE ARTWORK ON THEIR PROPERTY, THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE APPROVAL FROM CITY COUNCIL. SO THAT'S THE DISTINCTION. JUST TAKE IT ONE STEP FURTHER. IS, IS IF THEIR ART IS ACCEPTED BY DRB AND THEY'VE MADE THE DEPOSIT INTO IT, THEN IT COMES BACK TO COUNCIL TO RELEASE THE FUNDS BACK TO YOU? YES. YES. SO. RIGHT. IF SO, THEY. AT THE TIME OF PUBLIC ART THAT IS INTENDED TO MEET THE PUBLIC ART REQUIREMENT. SO A NEW BUILDING WITH NONRESIDENTIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE, THEY AT THE TIME THAT THERE APPLY FOR THEIR BUILDING PERMIT AND THEY PAY THEIR BUILDING PERMIT FEE, THEY PAY THAT PUBLIC ART FEE. SO UP FRONT, NO MATTER WHAT THEY PAY THAT DOLLAR PER SQUARE FOOT, THEN THEY HAVE WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF THE DATE OF THE CEO, THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO EITHER LEAVE THAT MONEY IN THE PUBLIC ART FUND OR PURSUE THE PLACEMENT OF ARTWORK ON THEIR SITE SO THAT IF IF THEY SAY INSTEAD OF JUST PAYING IT INTO THE PUBLIC ART FUND, WE WOULD LIKE TO ACTUALLY PLACE ARTWORK ON OUR SITE, WHETHER THAT'S A MURAL OR A, YOU KNOW, A WAIT, YOU JUST SAID MURAL, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S JUST A TYPE OF ARTWORK, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION FOR MURAL. WE DON'T HAVE A DEFINITION FOR MURAL. SO IT CAN'T BE. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. BUT I THINK IT IS JUST CONSIDERED A TYPE OF ART OF ARTWORK. WE DON'T DEFINE STATUE. WE DON'T DEFINE FOUNTAIN. WE DON'T. SOMEBODY DEFINED IT. AND IT WAS THE DRB AND THE PEOPLE THAT NEED TO DEFINE IT, IN MY OPINION, IS COUNCIL, BECAUSE THERE IS A I MEAN, I'M COMING FROM ONE OF THE DRB MEMBERS WHO SAID CLEARLY TO DAHMER WHEN WE WERE HAVING THIS DISCUSSION, THAT PUBLIC THAT THE MURALS SHOULD BE REVIEWED BECAUSE IT CAN BE JUST LIKE ANY OTHER PIECE OF ART AND YOU COULD HAVE A SKULL ON ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND THEN HAVE AN ANGEL ON ANOTHER PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND THEN WE COULD HAVE A LEGAL ISSUE IF WE DECIDE TO DISCRIMINATE. YES. IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO REGULATE THE CONTENT OF ARTWORK. THERE IS A FREE SPEECH COMPONENT THERE. YOU CAN'T. BUT ALSO A MURAL. IT'S NOT THAT WE DEFINED MURAL, BUT IT'S THAT THE DRB WE HAVE CONSIDERED. IF YOU PAINT THE SIDE OF YOUR BUILDING, YOU PAINT A MURAL ON THE SIDE OF YOUR BUILDING. THAT IS A FACADE AMENDMENT. IN THE SAME WAY THAT IF YOU PAINTED IT SOLID ORANGE BUT YOU DECIDED WHOSE YOU DECIDED, THAT'S JUST ALWAYS BEEN THE STAFF INTERPRETATION. [04:15:03] WE'VE ALWAYS TAKEN MURALS THAT ARE NOT OKAY, MURALS THAT ARE NOT INTENDED TO MEET THE PUBLIC ART REQUIREMENT. IF A PROPERTY OWNER ELECTS TO PUT A MURAL, IT IS REVIEWED BY THE DRB BECAUSE IT'S A DESIGN COMPONENT OF THE BUILDING. AND IN PAINTING ON THE SIDE OF A BUILDING IS A FACADE BY DEFINITION, ISN'T IT? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A DEFINITION. WELL, IF IT'S ON A BUILDING FACADE IS THE SIDE OF A BUILDING OR THE A, A FRONT, A, A SIDE OF A BUILDING IS A FACADE. THAT'S A DEFINITION. SO IF THEY CHOSE, IT WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE TO BE MURAL IF THEY CHOSE ANY SORT OF MATERIAL INSTALLATION, A GREEN WALL OR, YOU KNOW, A LIVING WALL OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. WHICH AMENDS THE FACADE OF THE BUILDING THAT THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD REGULATIONS REQUIRE THAT IT GOES BACK TO. TO DRB. CAN I TRY TO SEPARATE THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE SHE SAID, WHEN IS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION. YOU ASKED WHEN IS PUBLIC ART PROCESS COMING BACK TO YOU? ARE YOU SAYING PUBLIC ART PROCESS? NO. OR I MISSPOKE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU HEARD. I SHE'S ABSOLUTELY ON TRACK WITH WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. AND THAT'S THE DISTINCTION THAT A MURAL IS POSSIBLY ARTWORK ON A SIDE OF A BUILDING, OR IF IT'S PART OF A FACADE, AS YOU JUST SAID. AND THERE'S NO CLEAR DEFINITION. EXCEPT FOR IT WAS CREATED IN THE HANDBOOK. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHAT IT WASN'T CREATED IN THE HANDBOOK SO MUCH. I THINK THE DISTINCTION IS IF WE DON'T CONSIDER THE PAINTING OF A MURAL ON THE SIDE OF A BUILDING TO BE A FACADE CHANGE AND WE JUST CONSIDER IT ARTWORK, THEN IT'S NOT GOING TO BE REVIEWED BY ANYONE BY VIRTUE OF SAYING PAINTING THE FACADE OF YOUR BUILDING IS A FACADE RENOVATION THAT ALLOWS IT TO GO TO THE DRB AND BE REVIEWED BY THE DRB, OR WE HAVE A CODE, RIGHT? I'M SAYING UNDER WHAT WE HAVE NOW, OR WE HAVE A CODE THAT DEFINES WHETHER WE HAVE MURALS OR NOT MURALS, BUT I DON'T KNOW. DO WE DISTINGUISH MURALS FOR A MINUTE? YEAH, BECAUSE BECAUSE MURALS ARE TOUCHY, JUST TOUCHY ART CREATIVITY FACADES. IT'S JUST I'VE DONE THIS BEFORE. SO FOR COMMERCIAL, IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER BECAUSE THROUGH YOUR SIGN ORDINANCE, YOU CAN ESSENTIALLY CREATE A PROVISION THAT LIMITS IF SOMEONE IS GOING TO PUT THEIR BUSINESS NAME IN THE MURAL, YOU CAN LIMIT THE SIZE OF THE MURAL BASED ON THE SIGN CODE, RIGHT? SO IT CAN'T BE THE ENTIRE WALL BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY YOU'RE USING IT AS SIGNAGE OR ADVERTISEMENT FOR YOUR BUSINESS. IF COUNCIL'S GOAL RIGHT NOW IS TO NOT HAVE ANY MURALS IN THE CITY AT ALL, IT'S A FAIR ASK AND I WOULD JUST NEED TIME TO LOOK INTO THAT. I THINK IT'S A DISCUSSION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN WITH THIS COUNCIL SO THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHEN A WALL HAS A POSTER ON IT THAT SOME MIGHT THINK IS BEAUTIFUL, AND THEN THE NEXT TIME THE WALL IS WHERE SOMEBODY THINKS IT'S NOT BEAUTIFUL. AND I DON'T WANT TO BE SPECIFIC. I MEAN, SO FAR WE'RE, WE'RE, I MEAN, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE TREADING WITH DISCRETION. BUT YOU KNOW, I'M SORRY, BUT THE, THE MEXICAN RESTAURANT THAT, I MEAN, I DIDN'T KNOW I ALL OF A SUDDEN WENT BY AND THE WHOLE WALL WAS LOOKED LIKE TILE AND, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE A BILLBOARD. AND THAT'S WHAT'S CONCERNING. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S CHANGING THE WHOLE LOOK. YEAH. WE TRIED. WE WERE VERY CAREFUL WHEN IT COMES TO SIGNAGE AND SAYING IT CAN'T IF YOU IF YOU ARE GOING TO PUT ARTWORK ON YOUR SITE, THAT ARTWORK CAN'T INCLUDE YOUR LOGO OR A REFERENCE TO YOUR NAME. IF YOU KNOW, IF YOUR RESTAURANT IS CALLED THE SEAGULL AND YOU PAINT A GIANT SEAGULL ON THE SIDE OF YOUR BUILDING, WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER THAT SIGNAGE. I'M JUST MAKING UP STUFF. BUT WE SO WE, WE TRY TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN SIGNAGE AND REGULATE THAT UNDER OUR SIGNAGE CODE. BUT WHEN YOU LIKE MATTHEW SAID, IT'S VERY IT'S VERY TOUCHY WHEN YOU GET INTO REGULATING. IS THIS ARTWORK BEAUTIFUL OR NOT? OR. THAT'S IT. THAT'S TOUGH. IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE SINCE THIS WAS PRIORITY DISCUSSION. SO WE NEED TO HAVE BRING BACK AN ITEM FOR DISCUSSION. I AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE PRIORITIES, THEN I JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU LET ME KNOW SINCE WE DIDN'T, I DIDN'T HAVE IT IN ADVANCE. WHERE YOU WANT ME TO SLOT THAT? THAT'S ALL. I GUESS I DIDN'T REALIZE. NO, IT'S OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I GOT IT, THAT'S ALL. YEAH, YEAH. SO FAR, I'VE GOT A CONSENSUS. YEAH. OKAY. NOW, THE ONLY REASON IT IS IN THE DRB HANDBOOK, WHICH WE THOUGHT WE REMOVED IT. NO WE DIDN'T. AND THE UPDATE, I JUST REMEMBER HAVING THIS CONVERSATION WHEN WE HAD THE DRB HANDBOOK. OKAY. AND I'M JUST SAYING, IF IT'S IN THE DRB HANDBOOK, WE SHOULD HAVE IT [04:20:10] IN OUR CODE THERE, SHOULDN'T I AGREE THEY SHOULD NOT CONFLICT. THANK YOU SIR, I AGREE. OKAY. OKAY. SO IS IT OKAY IF I IS DECEMBER SOON ENOUGH? YEAH. I JUST THINK THAT THE DISCRETION OF OF THE DRB THAT THEY ARE. YEAH, YEAH I JUST REMEMBER BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE, DECEMBER IS AN OPEN DATE AND I CAN SLOT IT THERE. OKAY. AND I DIDN'T MEAN TO RAIN ON YOUR PARADE. I'M. YOU'RE AN ACCOUNTANT, MIND. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DID IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, EXCELLENT JOB. NO, NO, NO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS OKAY AND THAT I WASN'T MOVING IT AHEAD OF SOMETHING ELSE. THAT WAS ALL OKAY. AND COUNCIL MEMBER. I MEAN, VICE MAYOR. YEAH. I THOUGHT YOU DID A GREAT JOB GOING THROUGH THESE AND GROUPING THEM AND SETTING OUT DATES. THERE'S ONE ITEM I THOUGHT I SAW SOMEWHERE IN THE PACKET, BUT NOW I DON'T SEE IT. IF IT WAS ALREADY SCHEDULED, THAT'S REVIEW AND UPDATE OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT CODE PARTICULARLY IF WE WERE GOING TO REVISIT THE PROVISION TO HAVE THE SYSTEMS TESTED AT SOME POINT IN TIME. OKAY. THAT WAS SUSPENDED AND WE WERE GOING TO GO BACK AND REVISIT IT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE OR IF IT'S SCHEDULED. WE YEAH, WE HAVEN'T FORMALIZED ANYTHING. WE'RE STILL HOLDING THOSE IN ABEYANCE FOR THOSE INSPECTIONS. SO BRINGING THAT BACK IS, IS A GOOD POINT. I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO SLOT IT RIGHT HERE, BUT I WILL IF I CAN GET IT IN DECEMBER, I WOULD. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF IT FITS WITH THE RESILIENCY MEASURE OR A SEPARATE DISCUSSION. WE'RE READY TO GO. YEAH. IF WE'RE READY TO GO WITH IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. AND, MAYOR, JUST ONE POINT. YES, SIR. ON SIGNAGE. THAT'S NOT SET. I JUST I HAD MENTIONED THIS TO YOU ALL BEFORE. THE FULL ON REWRITE OF LIGHTING AND SIGNAGE IS GOING TO TAKE TIME, BUT I WANT YOU TO BE AWARE. I AM GOING TO PRESENT SOMETHING THAT I'M DRAFTING UP TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH A LOT OF THE RECENT, NOT NOT EVEN RECENT TEN YEAR OLD SUPREME COURT CASES. THERE'S A FEW CONTENT BASED RESTRICTIONS IN OUR CODE THAT I'M JUST GOING TO STRIKE THROUGH, AND THEN IT'LL GIVE US PLENTY OF TIME TO WORK THROUGH THE SIGN ORDINANCE. AT THE LEISURE OF COUNCIL. SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT THERE ARE SOME. WHEN WE REVIEWED THAT OVER A YEAR AGO, THE MINUTES SAID THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE COMING BACK TO US. CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH, THERE'S A FEW. SO I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO CONFUSE THE TWO BECAUSE WHAT I'M GOING TO BE PRESENTING IS VERY BASIC, JUST TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE SUPREME COURT DECISION. WHAT GARY'S IDENTIFYING HERE IS A MORE BROAD KIND OF OVERALL SIGN REGULATION DISCUSSION AND LIGHTING. AND ERICA, COULD YOU IS DOES THE DRB IS THAT A RESPONSIBILITY? I KNOW I SHOULD KNOW THAT TO REVIEW THE SIGNAGE AND THE LIGHTING TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO US. YES. THE DRB DOES REVIEW SIGNAGE AND LIGHTING. NO, I KNOW THAT. BUT DO THEY REGULATIONS, DO THEY? NO, THEY DON'T REVIEW. IF I BROUGHT FORTH A TEXT AMENDMENT, IT WOULD NOT BE REVIEWED BY THE DRB. OKAY, SO THEY DON'T MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO US TO ANYTHING THAT'S IN THE DRB HANDBOOK AS IT RELATES TO ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE OLD IN LIGHTING OR SIGNAGE. SO IF YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO OVERHAUL OUR LIGHTING REGULATIONS, I COULD WORKSHOP THAT WITH THE DRB TO GET SUGGESTIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE DRB THAT I WOULD THEN BRING TO YOU TO HELP YOU FORMULATE THAT. YEAH. AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED IS THAT THE LAST TIME THAT WE DISCUSSED IT, I LOOKED AT THE MINUTES AND THAT'S IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A BROAD CONVERSATION ON LIGHTING, AND IT ENDED UP ONLY BEING NO OFFENSE, BUT ABOUT SEA TURTLES. SO AND WE HAVEN'T REVIEWED OUR LIGHTING SINCE 2006. AND IT'S BEEN RECOMMENDED THAT WE LOOK AT OUR LIGHTING. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT LIGHTING. YES. IF IF YOU WOULD LIKE IF YOU KNOW, COUNCIL'S CONSENSUS IS WE NEED TO LOOK AT OUR NOT SEA TURTLE LIGHTING, BUT SPECIFICALLY WITH RESPECT TO NEW DEVELOPMENT OR EXISTING DEVELOPMENT. IF WE WANT TO LOOK AT OUR RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL LIGHTING REGULATIONS AND YOUR. YOU WOULD LIKE THE DRB INPUT FIRST. I CAN ABSOLUTELY WORKSHOP THAT WITH THE DRB AND GET THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS TO BRING TO YOU. I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE THE RECOMMENDATIONS ARCHITECT OR YOU KNOW, THAT'S ON THERE. SO IF THEY CAN DO THAT BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNCIL, THAT WOULD I, IS THERE ANY CONSENSUS HERE? YES. THAT IT WOULD GO TO DRB TO GET THEIR OPINIONS ON. SO A LOT OF WHAT AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, A LOT OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT AND WHEN THEY WHEN THE DRB CAN REVIEWS LIGHTING IS FIXTURES, YOU KNOW, DOES THIS LIGHTING FIXTURE MATCH THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE? [04:25:03] BUT IF WE WOULD LIKE IT TO BE A MORE BROAD DISCUSSION, HOW AND HOW IT RELATES, I WILL TELL YOU, WE HAVE ALMOST NO REGULATIONS FOR SINGLE FAMILY. THAT'S THE POINT FOR LIGHTING. WE. THAT'S THE POINT. YEAH. I MEAN, JUST SO THAT I HAVE EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT'S COMING OUT OF THERE IS THAT TO MANAGE RESIDENTIAL LIGHTING AS WELL AS COMMERCIAL. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE DRB IS A DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. AND WHAT ARE THE RECOMMENDATIONS YOU'RE ASKING THEM TO COME BACK WITH? I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THAT. AND THEY DON'T DO ALL RESIDENTIAL. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. I THINK THAT STAFF HAS TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S THEIR REALM. YOU REVIEW RESIDENTIAL LIGHTING. MOST. YES. AGAIN, WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY NO LIGHTING STANDARDS FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. WE, WE DON'T HAVE DESIGN REGULATIONS. THEY DON'T GO TO THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD EITHER. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT BECAUSE I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ONLY HAVE CERTAIN CRITERIA AND THEY CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS ON. BUT I MEAN, WE'RE NOT AN HOA WHERE YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU AND YOU'RE REGULATING IT THAT WAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO JUST DELINEATE BETWEEN WHAT THEIR PURPOSES WAS. YES. THAT'S AWESOME. THANK YOU. BUT ALSO THAT FIFTH AVENUE ONE AREA. I DON'T I CAN'T REMEMBER DOWNTOWN HAS YOU CAN'T HAVE NEON LIGHTS OR I DON'T KNOW WHICH ONES WHICH. YEAH. WE PROHIBIT EXPOSED NEON TUBING. RIGHT. SO THEY COULD REVIEW THAT. THEY COULD. YES. I MEAN, YEAH, THEY, WHAT I CAN DO IS I CAN PROVIDE TO THE DRB. THESE ARE OUR EXISTING LIGHTING REGULATIONS. YOU KNOW, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THIS AND WHAT, WHAT WOULD THEY THINK SHOULD CHANGE. YEAH. AND THEN EVEN YOU WITH SIGNAGE, WE, YOU KNOW, I WON'T MENTION NAMES, BUT THE SIGNAGE THAT YOU HAD NO CRITERIA FOR AND THEY WERE ABLE TO PUT IN BIG SIGNAGE ON EVERY SINGLE WALL. YEAH. I THINK I, YES, I COULD IDENTIFY FOR YOU SOME HOLES IN OUR SIGN CODE AS WELL. IS THAT GOOD? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. I DO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE ONE MORE, THOUGH. MAYOR. BECAUSE I DIDN'T MENTION IT AND IT WAS REVIEW. REVIEW. RESULTS OF SWALE RECLAMATION PROJECTS. SO WE'LL DO THAT AND WE'LL ADD THAT TO A FUTURE MEETING. BUT I NEEDED TO ALSO BE HONEST FROM THE SWALE RECLAMATION, IT'S SIZE SCOPE. AND WE HAVE REGULATIONS IN PLACE NOW THAT ARE GRADUALLY GETTING THEM AS NEW AS THEY'RE ADDRESSING THEIR PROPERTIES OR NEW DEVELOPMENT GOES IN. MY ONLY POINT IS, IS THE RECLAMATION. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS ON BOTH EASEMENTS AND PROPERTY. THAT'S GOING TO BE THE OPENING SALVO TO THOSE, BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS IS WITH OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, AND I'VE FOCUSED MORE ON INFRASTRUCTURE AND FUNDING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THE MOST RECENT YEAR. BUT WE DO NEED TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS, THOSE SWALES AND RIGHT OF WAYS AND PROTECTING THOSE THAT WILL HAVE THE JUMPING OFF POINT ON 914 AND IT WILL ENVELOPE INTO SWALES EVENTUALLY. BUT I WANTED TO BE HONEST, AS I HAVEN'T HAD THAT AS A PRIMARY FOCUS OF MINE SINCE TAKING OVER, BUT PROTECTING OUR RIGHT OF WAY RIGHTS AND EASEMENTS AND PROPERTY. GIVEN HOW MUCH INFRASTRUCTURE WE'RE GOING TO BE REPAIRING IN THE NEXT 20 TO 40 YEARS IS VERY IMPORTANT. AND WE'LL START THAT DISCUSSION, I BELIEVE IS SLATED FOR 914. AND THE DISCOVERY OF FINDING OUT THAT THE SWALES, WHETHER THEY WERE EFFECTIVE OR NOT EFFECTIVE WITH WHAT HE JUST SAID, AND THAT INFRASTRUCTURE IS, IS VITAL TO, TO THAT CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE THOUGHT SWALES WERE GOING TO BE THE ANSWER. BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, AND I THINK THAT'S KIND OF SOMETHING WE YOU NEED TO ADDRESS IS WE'RE STILL MAKING PEOPLE PUT IN SWALES, EVEN IF THEY DON'T HAVE SWALES ON EITHER SIDE OF THEIR PROPERTY. AND THAT'S A PROBLEM. YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOUR CODE CALLS FOR. AND SO WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT THAT CODE TO SAY, ARE WE GOING TO RECLAIM THEM? AND ARE WE GOING TO REQUIRE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS TO PUT THEM IN, OR ARE THEY SERVE NO PURPOSE? AND WHY ARE WE HAVING THE OTHER ONES? WHY WASTE THE MONEY ON THEM? SO IT'S IT'S A LEGITIMATE CONVERSATION TO HAVE BECAUSE IT IS A PROBLEM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THEN I CAN'T LET YOU GO, MR. MCCONNELL. WE STILL HAVE MICRO MOBILITY AND MICRO TRANSIT. WELL, MICRO MOBILITY, IF YOU REMEMBER, MR. MCCONNELL DRAFTED SOMETHING THAT THEIR RULES IT'LL BE COMING. I HAVE TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION TO BRING BACK POLICIES AND RULES. BECAUSE IF YOU REMEMBER, WE DIDN'T HAVE THOSE THINGS AND THE IMPLEMENTATION MET. I THINK THERE WAS A SPEAKER THAT DAY AND ASKED THAT WE MEET OVER THE SUMMER. I'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION AND ALISON, AND ONCE WE GET THOSE RULES THAT WILL AND THINGS THAT WE BELIEVE THAT WE CAN ADMINISTER IT BY, THEN WE'LL GET THAT TO MR. MCCONNELL AND IT'LL COME BACK PERFECT. EVERYBODY OKAY? SCHULTZ. THIS IS A MATTER THAT PROBABLY WON'T APPLY TO ANY OF YOU FOLKS, BECAUSE I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO LIVES IN A CONDO. [04:30:07] HIGH RISE. IT WAS THE ONE WITH MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. I THINK WE JUST HAD. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. NO. IT'S OKAY. I WASN'T MAD EITHER. NO. IT'S ALL GOOD. MR. COUNCIL MEMBER, I'M SORRY. YEAH, WE. IN OUR BUILDING, WE HAD OVER A YEAR LONG RENOVATION. IT WAS PRETTY EXTENSIVE, AND WE HAD TO CHANGE LIGHTS FOR THE POOL. NOW WE'RE ABOUT 200 YARDS FROM THE GULF COMING BACK, AND THERE'S. YOU CAN'T SEE THE PICTURE, BUT THERE'S A BUILDING RIGHT ON THE GULF. THEIR POOL LIGHTS ARE BLUE. OURS HAD TO BE BORDELLO RED. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO DESCRIBE IT. BORDELLO RED. AND YOU LOOK OUT, YOU HAVE GUESTS OVER. AND I GO, WHY DO YOU HAVE A. YEAH. WHEN THE BUILDING RIGHT ON THE GULF IS BLUE. YOU KNOW, I'M GUESSING THAT IT WAS A GRANDFATHER ISSUE WITH SOMETHING, BUT CHANGING THE LIGHT. MCCONNELL. I LOVE THAT PROPERTY ADDRESS, IF YOU DON'T MIND. SEAGATE WOULD BE A SEA POINT. THE BUILDING IS SEA POINT. BAY POINT IS 60 SEAGATE. AND IT'S A PERFECT SEGUE BECAUSE WE'RE ACTUALLY, I THINK IT'S THE OCTOBER WORKSHOP BRINGING A FULL ON OVERHAUL OF SEA TURTLE LIGHTING. YEAH, THIS IS JUST WAY TOO MANY. WE HAD WAY TOO MANY HATCHLINGS NOT MAKE IT TO THE OCEAN LAST YEAR. I THINK IT WAS OUR HIGHEST NUMBER EVER. SO NATURAL RESOURCES HAS DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB. IT'S GOING TO GIVE CODE ENFORCEMENT THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE THESE. AND WE'LL PROSECUTE IT AT THE, AT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD IF NECESSARY. BUT I TAKE SEA TURTLE PROTECTION VERY SERIOUSLY. LIKEWISE, I JUST IT'S NOT THAT YOU SAID SEA POINT, IT'S A BUILDING NAME. MY POINT IS BAY POINT, BUT IT'S JUST BORDELLO RED AND BLUE, RIGHT ON THE GOLF COURSE. DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE, BUT I HAVE THOSE AT THE END OF MY STREET ALSO. YES, ON STREET LIGHTS. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. OKAY. NICE JOB. PUBLIC COMMENT. WE KNOW IT'S HORRIBLE. OH, YES. PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG. I'M SO SORRY ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. I AM JOE BLACKER. I'M HERE TODAY AS JOE CITIZEN, WHO ALSO HAPPENS TO BE A MEMBER OF THE PAB. NOTICING THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS ON THE PRIORITY LIST TODAY AND THE TIMING, I THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE ON A COUPLE FRONTS TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS. AS FAR AS TIMING CONSIDERATIONS I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU ALL, YOU KNOW, HOW BUSY STAFF IS. AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I WOULD HAVE HOPED WE COULD HAVE PLANNED DURING THE SUMMER THAT WOULD HAVE HAD US HIT THE GROUND RUNNING FROM A PAB PERSPECTIVE, VERY SPECIFICALLY THAT WE WERE NOT ABLE TO DO. MR. YOUNG MENTIONED THAT THE RESILIENCY SESSION FOR PAB WILL NOT OCCUR UNTIL THE OCTOBER PAB MEETING, WHICH IS NINE DAYS PRIOR TO WHEN. YOU ALL HAVE TO HAVE SET A DEADLINE FOR ALL INPUTS. AND SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PLANNED FOR THE SEPTEMBER MEETING THAT IS REALLY IN, IN ANTICIPATION OF COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE. UNFORTUNATELY, I'M STILL LEARNING A LOT OF THINGS. MOST THINGS AND OUR PAB WE ENDED BY THESE DISCUSSIONS IN MAY AND JUNE, THE PAB AS A BODY DID NOT LIKE COME TO ANY CONCLUSIONS AS FAR AS HOW WE'RE APPROACHING THIS THING GOING FORWARD. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BE GETTING TOGETHER NEXT WEEK. SO I FELT LIKE PERHAPS SOME CLARIFICATIONS WOULD BE HELPFUL AS WELL. AS FAR AS LIKE, WHO REALLY OWNS WHAT? BECAUSE AS I REFLECT ON WHAT'S GOING ON, IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO ME THAT WE HAVE OPERATED PER EXPECTATIONS OF WHAT THE PAB IS SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, NOR STATUTORILY AS IT RELATES TO THE PAB ACTUALLY OWNING THAT PROCESS. SO I THINK IT'S CRITICAL THAT WE GET SOME DIRECTION AS TO DOES THE PAB OWN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS. AND RECOGNIZING OBVIOUSLY COUNCIL ULTIMATELY HAS TO APPROVE IT AND TRANSMIT IT. BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE EXPECTATIONS AS WE GO INTO THESE, THESE NEXT FEW MONTHS? AND YEAH, I'M SORRY. NO, I CAN LET HIM FINISH. BUT THIS AN INDIVIDUAL THAT'S A PLANNING BOARD MEMBER GETTING UP AND SAYING, I'M SPEAKING AS AN INDIVIDUAL. BUT THEN THE ENTIRE COMMENT BEING ON SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD WOULD PROBABLY WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN AND BOARD FUNCTIONS, DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF COMING UP AS A CITIZEN AS OPPOSED TO A BOARD MEMBER. SO I DON'T REMEMBER THIS BEING BROUGHT UP AT PAB. LIKE WE CONSENT TO YOU GOING THERE AND TRYING TO GET DIRECTION ON ON WHAT OUR DUTIES ARE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT'S PROBABLY MORE APPROPRIATE FOR HIM TO BRING THIS UP DURING COMMENTS ON SEPTEMBER 9TH. [04:35:03] GET WHATEVER DIRECTION HE NEEDS AND THEN COME BACK TO COUNSEL. BUT I MEAN, OUR ETHICS CODE IS WHAT IT IS. AND AGAIN, I WASN'T CONSULTED BEFORE THIS, EVEN THOUGH MY PHONE NUMBER IS OUT THERE. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GUYS WANT TO HANDLE THAT. I UNDERSTAND THE INTENT AND THE CONVERSATION WE GET IN THESE FINE LINES AS YOU WERE. WE WERE DISCUSSING AND WHETHER I COULD TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE COMP PLAN AND WITH ALL THE HATS THAT YOU WEAR. SO ANY. I MEAN, YOU'VE ALREADY SAID IT OUT THERE. WELL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. SO, YOU KNOW, I'M ALSO A PORT ROYAL BOARD MEMBER. AND SO I'M, I'M PRIVY TO WHAT'S GOING ON FROM A HOMEOWNER'S COALITION PERSPECTIVE. I KNOW THE HOMEOWNERS COALITION SPECIFICALLY REACHED OUT TO TRY AND GET TOPICS SOONER THAN LATER. THEY WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE HAD A MEETING THIS WEEK. THAT MEANS HE'S GOING TO OCCUR IN THE MIDDLE OF OCTOBER. YOU KNOW, ONLY GIVING THEM A FEW MONTHS TO ACTUALLY FACILITATE FEEDBACK. YEAH. OKAY. KRAMER, I LOVE YOU, JOE. AND YOUR. I HAVE CHAMPIONED YOU. WE CANNOT HAVE MEMBERS OF BOARDS DOING THIS. I MEAN, CANNOT. OKAY. AND WE CAN'T GIVE YOU FEEDBACK. AND WE JUST CANNOT DO THIS. IT'S OKAY. IT'S COMPLETELY INAPPROPRIATE. I HATE THAT IT IS. BUT THAT'S JUST THE REALITY. OUR OUR, JUST AS OUR CITY ATTORNEY SAID, OUR OUR ETHICS CODE IS WHAT IT IS. I MEAN, IT'S VERY CLEAR. OKAY. SO I DON'T WANT TO RESPOND. I DON'T WANT TO GET. WE JUST CANNOT. YEAH. I'LL JUST IT'S MISUNDERSTOOD. I'M JUST I'M TRYING TO, LIKE, HELP MAKE US BE AS PRODUCTIVE AS POSSIBLE, SO I APOLOGIZE. NO, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THIS IS NOT THE WAY TO GO ABOUT IT. MISS MARTIN. I WOULD JUST ADD, FOR THE RECORD, AT THE. THE JUNE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD MEETING, WHICH WAS THE LAST MEETING WE HAD. TAKES JULY AND AUGUST RECESS. AT THE JUNE MEETING THERE ACTUALLY WAS A DISCUSSION IN CORRESPONDENCE AND COMMUNICATION. ONE OF THE OTHER MEMBERS HAD PROVIDED A HANDOUT ON A DISCUSSION ON EXPANDING THE ROLE OF THE PAB AND WHAT IS THE ROLE OF THE PAB. AND THERE WAS A DISCUSSION AND A CONSENSUS WAS REACHED BY THE PAB. I CAN PROVIDE THE MINUTES TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AT THE OCTOBER MEETING. OCTOBER 14TH, 2026 PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD MEETING FOR DEVELOPMENT OF AN ONGOING STRATEGIC PLANNING AGENDA ITEM. AND IT ASKED THAT THE PAB MEMBERS WOULD BRING FORWARD THEIR PRIORITIES. AND BECAUSE I'VE EXPLAINED TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD THAT THEY'RE AN ADVISORY BOARD APPOINTED BY CITY COUNCIL, ANY CHANGES TO THEIR SCOPE, THEIR ROLE, THEIR JURISDICTION FUNCTIONS WOULD HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL SO THEY CAN THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD WILL DISCUSS THAT. AND THEN IT WOULD COME TO CITY COUNCIL. SO THAT IS WHAT IS SCHEDULED FOR THE OCTOBER 14TH MEETING. THAT DISCUSSION WAS HAD BY THE PAB ON JUNE 10TH AND IS COMING BACK IN OCTOBER. SO MAYBE AND I MIGHT BE OUT OF LINE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL SHOULD HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT. BEFORE YOU GO BACK TO, WELL, WHAT THE IDEA WAS IS THE PAB. BECAUSE THE OTHER THING IS THERE'S AGAIN SEVEN MEMBERS OF THE P, A, B AS WELL. AND SO ANYTHING THAT COMES OUT AS OF THE PAB AS A SUGGESTION HAS TO BE BY CONSENSUS OF THE PAB, AND WE CAN'T HAVE ONE MEMBER SUGGESTING THAT THIS SHOULD BE THE ROLE. AND THEN I TAKE THAT TO CITY COUNCIL. SO THE IDEA IS THEY DISCUSS IT IN OCTOBER. A CONSENSUS IS REACHED BY THE BOARD ON WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO TO EXPAND THE ROLE, CHANGE THE ROLE, HOWEVER THAT GOES. THAT RECOMMENDATION CONSENSUS IS THEN PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL FOR CITY COUNCIL TO DISCUSS. SO THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT'S BEEN LAID OUT AND THAT'S. I HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM FOR THE 14TH ALREADY PREPARED. IF I MAY, IT'S TO ME THAT'S A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHAT THE PAB MAY BE DOING. AS FAR AS OTHER THINGS, THE ISSUE AT HAND IS WE HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE THAT YOU ALL HAVE PROVIDED, A TIMELINE THAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE RESPONDING TO, AND DIFFERENT SUBJECT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO I HAVE I HAVE ONE THING ON THE COMP PLAN JUST BECAUSE, I MEAN, I NEED TO BE, IF I HEARD CORRECTLY, WHICH I BELIEVE I KNOW THAT THIS IS FACTUAL. THERE WAS NO MEETINGS IN JULY AND AUGUST. YES. IS THAT TRUE? FACTUAL. AND IT WAS SAID AND I YOU KNOW, I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS NO PROGRESS MADE OVER THE SUMMER. IT WAS WHEN THE COALITION DISCUSSION TOOK PLACE THAT WE WOULD HAVE AT ALL PUBLIC MEETINGS AND THAT EVERYTHING WOULD BE DISCUSSED IN PUBLIC MEETING. SO THE REQUEST CAME IN SPECIFICALLY FROM YOU TO SAY, CAN YOU HAVE DOCTOR GEORGE AT THE SEPTEMBER MEETING AND YOU ALREADY HAVE A FULL [04:40:01] AGENDA FOR THOSE ITEMS, WHICH IS NEITHER HERE NOR THERE. BUT IN THE SAME TOKEN, SEPTEMBER IS THE THE NINTH. THE EIGHTH IS MY CRA DEALING AND OUR BUDGET HEARINGS. AND WE'VE BEEN PREPARING AND WORKING ON BUDGETS IN THE OVER THE ENTIRE SUMMER MEETING ON THEM. AND I SAID, DOCTOR GEORGE IS NOT GOING TO BE AVAILABLE FOR SEPTEMBER PEB AND WORKED ON MAKING THE OCTOBER. SO WHEN WE SAY, DID WE MAKE PROGRESS? THE PUBLIC MEETING IS THE FIRST PUBLIC MEETING, AT LEAST IN MY OPINION, OF WHICH I CAN GET THE INFORMATION IN FRONT OF PAB TO HAVE THAT. SO I WASN'T GOING TO HAVE PRIVATE MEETINGS ON THESE THINGS. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SET THAT BECAUSE THAT WAS A STATEMENT THAT WAS MADE. BUT THE PAB WASN'T. YOU'VE HAD NO MEETINGS SINCE THE JUNE MEETING. YOU HAVE ONE AND THERE'S 12 OR 13 ITEMS ON THE PAB MEETING. AND I HAVE A STAFF THAT'S BEEN WORKING ON THE BUDGET THAT'S ADOPTED IN THE SAME MONTH. SO NOT THAT I HAVE TO EXPLAIN IT. I JUST FELT IT INCUMBENT UPON ME, GIVEN THAT IT WAS PUT IN THE PUBLIC REALM, THAT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I SAID THAT. SO NO. AND THE POINT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS IS THAT MEETING AS IT RELATES TO RESILIENCY, THE HIGHEST PRIORITY ELEMENT IS NINE DAYS BEFORE THE DEADLINE THAT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED FOR FEEDBACK. THAT'S AND I AND I GET THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I THE TIMELINE, YOU KNOW, I'LL DEFER THAT TO COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I GOT THAT PART. I APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON ON PRIORITIES? OKAY. MOVING ON TO ITEM, CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR COMMENTS DECEMBER 1ST, JOINT MEETING WITH THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. DO YOU HAVE A TIME? I HAVE NOT. SHE ACTUALLY SAID THAT THEY WOULD MAKE THEIRS AVAILABLE. THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I WOULD HAVE IS THAT THEY SAID THEY WOULD MAKE THEIR ROOM AVAILABLE, AND TO HAVE IT THERE, UNLESS WE HAD AN ALTERNATIVE. I HAVEN'T CIRCLED BACK WITH HER BECAUSE I WANTED TO TELL YOU, BUT I WOULD ASSUME IT WOULD BE AN 830 START IF IT'S OKAY WITH EVERYBODY OR 9:00 HERE OR I MEAN A 9:00, AND THEN WHETHER IT'S HERE OR THERE, I'LL DEFER THAT TO IF YOU GUYS HAVE A PREFERENCE OR NOT. EXCUSE ME. IN MY CALENDAR. I'VE GOT IT. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW WHY I PUT IT THERE ON DECEMBER 1ST. OKAY. AND MAYBE THAT WAS THEIR PREDETERMINED. YEAH. SORRY. THE YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHERE I GOT THIS, BUT IN MY CALENDAR, SOME BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY COUNCIL AT NINE, I HAVE THE EMAIL, BUT IT MAY HAVE SAID NINE. SO MAYBE I JUST PLUGGED IT IN AND IT DIDN'T BELONG THERE. YEAH. MY SUGGESTION IS LEAVE IT THERE. VERY GOOD. YOU KNOW, HERE, THIS IS THE EXACT EMAIL THAT RECEIVED ON AUGUST 31ST AT 2:34 P.M. AND SAID YES, AGREED TO THAT DATE AND CAN HOLD IT IN OUR BOARDROOM FROM 9 TO 12. THAT'S WHERE I GOT IT. UNLESS YOU PREFER A DIFFERENT LOCATION OR TIME. OH, I THINK THAT'S FABULOUS. SO IS THAT FINE WITH EVERYONE? YEAH, IT'S ALREADY IN THE BOOK. NO ONE SAID NO. OKAY. YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT COMPLETES ITEM 13 ON PRIORITIES. MOVING TO ITEM 13 G WHICH WAS THE EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT WAS CANCELED. SO IF YOU DON'T MIND MAYOR, I'M GOING TO MOVE UP TO 13 H, WHICH IS THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF AN EXECUTIVE. [13.H) Announcement of an Executive Session regarding City of Naples v. City of Naples Airport Authority, et al; Case No. 2026-CA-001094, 20th Judicial Circuit, in and for Collier County, Florida.] NO. YES. OKAY. 13 H WHICH IS THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT I AM ANNOUNCING TODAY FOR A FUTURE DATE, WHICH I WILL INCLUDE IN WHAT I'M ABOUT TO READ. OKAY. SO PURSUANT TO 286.011 SUBPARAGRAPH A. YOUR CITY ATTORNEY IS ANNOUNCING HIS REQUEST FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC FOR THE PURPOSE OF SEEKING ADVICE CONCERNING SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATIONS OR STRATEGY RELATED TO LITIGATION EXPENDITURES ASSOCIATED WITH LITIGATION STYLED CITY OF NAPLES VERSUS CITY OF NAPLES. AIRPORT AUTHORITY ET AL. CASE NUMBER 2026-C AYE DASH 1094. ON SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2026, AT APPROXIMATELY 1230 IN THE CITY'S CONFERENCE ROOM ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF CITY HALL. THE EXECUTIVE SESSION IS EXPECTED TO LAST APPROXIMATELY 90 MINUTES. NO ACTION WILL BE REQUESTED OR TAKEN BY COUNSEL DURING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. ANY ACTION REQUESTED OR TAKEN WILL HAPPEN EITHER WHEN WE RECONVENE OR AT A FUTURE PUBLIC HEARING. THE ENTIRE SESSION WILL BE RECORDED BY A CERTIFIED COURT REPORTER. FOLLOWING INDIVIDUALS WILL BE PRESENT DURING THE SESSION. MAYOR TERESA HEITMANN, COUNCIL MEMBERS BILL KRAMER, LINDA PENMAN, BRIAN BARTON, TED BLANKENSHIP, JOHN KROLL, SCOTT SCHULTZ, CITY MANAGER GARY YOUNG, CITY ATTORNEY MATTHEW MCCONNELL, AND A REPRESENTATIVE FROM DION'S COURT REPORTING. AND I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND ANNOUNCE IT AS WELL. THERE MAY BE ANOTHER ATTORNEY IN ATTENDANCE OR TWO, EITHER JAMIE COLE FROM SIROTA OR RICHARD ROSENGARTEN. THIS IS ON THE 16TH 16TH DURING YOUR CITY COUNCIL MEETING AT 1230 IN THE SECOND FLOOR CONFERENCE ROOM. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S 13G13H. [04:45:07] MOVING ON TO 13. I WHICH WE ARE GOING TO HEAR AFTER 15 IF 15 AYE GETS PASSED. OH THAT'S RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NO PROBLEM. MOVING ON TO ITEM 14 A YES, AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTION 22-37, SUBPARAGRAPH 15 LEAF [14.A) An Ordinance Amending Section 22-37(15), Leaf Blowers, Of Article II, Nuisances, of Chapter 22, Environment, of the Code of Ordinances, City of Naples, Florida to Comply with Chapter 2026-3, Laws of Florida; and Providing for Codification, Conflicts, Severability, Correction of Scrivener’s Errors, Construction, Publication, and an Effective Date.] BLOWERS OF ARTICLE TWO. NUISANCES OF CHAPTER 22 ENVIRONMENT OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. CITY OF NAPLES, FLORIDA. TO COMPLY WITH CHAPTER 2026-3. LAWS OF FLORIDA AND PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION CONFLICTS. SEVERABILITY CORRECTION OR SCRIVENER'S ERRORS. CONSTRUCTION, PUBLICATION AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. EXCUSE ME. THIS IS ONE OF THOSE. IT IS WHAT IT IS KIND OF SITUATIONS. WE WERE PREEMPTED BY A SENATE BILL 290 THAT WAS SIGNED INTO LAW BY MARCH 20TH. ON MARCH 23RD, 2026 BY GOVERNOR DESANTIS. IT WAS EFFECTIVE JULY 1ST. WE WERE ONE OF, I THINK, A HANDFUL OF CITIES THAT ACTUALLY HAD A PROHIBITION ON GAS POWERED LEAF BLOWERS. WE ARE NOW PREEMPTED FROM PROHIBITING GAS POWERED LEAF BLOWERS. THEREFORE, WHAT THIS ORDINANCE DOES IS JUST KIND OF STRIKE OUT THE LANGUAGE THAT WE INCLUDED A COUPLE OF YEARS BACK. ENSURE THAT THEY ARE ALLOWED. ALSO ENSURE THAT THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH OUR NOISE ORDINANCE LIKE ANY ACTIVITY IN THE CITY. AND YEAH, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT STATEMENT. I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO MAKE THAT STATEMENT THAT THIS ORDINANCE CAME FROM OUR COMMUNITY. A PETITION FOR YEARS FROM OUR COMMUNITY TO BAN GAS BLOWERS. WE WORKED WITH THE LANDSCAPING INDUSTRY. THEY WEREN'T HAPPY AT FIRST. AND THEN THEY GO AND THEY PURCHASE EQUIPMENT, THEY MEET OUR REQUIREMENTS, AND THE STATE COMES IN AND PREEMPTS US. I FIND IT VERY DISAPPOINTING, ONCE AGAIN, THAT THE STATE IS TRYING TO RUN LOCAL MUNICIPALITIES. WHEN THE COMMUNITY FOR ALMOST A DECADE GOT THIS LEGISLATION TO GO FORWARD WITH A LOT OF WORK ON BOTH SIDES. VERY DISAPPOINTING THAT THIS IS HAPPENING. SO I HAVE TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT AND I AGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE WE HAD COMMENTS AND REQUESTS FROM RESIDENTS ACROSS THE CITY FOR THIS. IT WASN'T JUST ONE GROUP OR ONE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE WANTED IT. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, WE WORKED ON A LONG PHASE IN PERIOD, TRANSITION PERIOD WITH THE INDUSTRY THAT THEY COULD LIVE WITH, SO THEY COULD KEEP USING THE EQUIPMENT THEY ALREADY PURCHASED AND REPLACE IT AS IT WORE OUT WITH NEW EQUIPMENT. SO IT'S VERY DISAPPOINTING THAT WE CAN'T SET A RULE FOR OUR COMMUNITY THAT OUR COMMUNITY ASKED FOR. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WITH THAT, I GUESS A MOTION JUST FOR THE RECORD, NO PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU SIR. NO, THERE ARE NO THERE'S NOT PUBLIC COMMENT. A QUESTION FOR OUR ATTORNEY. DO WE HAVE TO REPEAL IT OR COULD WE JUST SUSPEND ENFORCEMENT? WITH THE IDEA THAT IF. IF THE LEGISLATURE CHANGES THEIR MIND LATER AND TAKES GIVES US BACK THAT ABILITY, WE WOULD ALREADY HAVE THE ORDINANCE ON THE BOOKS. SO INTERESTING QUESTION THAT I'VE ACTUALLY HAD TO ANSWER QUITE A BIT, BECAUSE WE HAVE FOUR ORDINANCES ON THE BOOKS THAT WE'RE NOT ENFORCING. I'M A BIG SUPPORTER OF HAVING A CLEAR CODE THAT ANYONE CAN GO TO AND SEE WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY REGULATING. BY LEAVING THIS ON THE BOOKS, YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY HAVING LANGUAGE ON MUNICODE THAT WE'RE NOT ENFORCING THAT STAFF AND THEM HAVE TO GO BACK IN TIME. I JUST MY ADVICE, IS IT POSSIBLE? POTENTIALLY MY ADVICE IS TO CLEAN UP THE CODE. I WILL SAY, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THESE CHANGES, I COULD EASILY DO THIS IN IN ONE MONTH IF THE CODE WERE TO CHANGE. IT'S JUST PUTTING IT'S HAVING INCORRECT INFORMATION IN OUR CODE FOR PEOPLE THAT WILL LOOK TO OUR CODE FOR GUIDANCE ON THINGS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION, BUT IT DOES. THANKS. THAT'S WHAT I WANTED. BUT YEAH, JUST DON'T LIKE IT. COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ, WOULD THIS BE SOMETHING WE CAN APPROACH OUR COMPATRIOTS IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE AND ASK THEM FOR SOME RELIEF IN LEGISLATION FOR THE NEW SESSION COMING UP. IS THIS SOMETHING WE COULD WORK WITH THEM ON TO TRY TO GET THIS UNWOUND? THE BILL SPONSOR IS ACTUALLY, I BELIEVE, BENAROCH. [04:50:01] YES, IT MAY BE WORTH IT MAY BE WORTH IT MAY BE WORTH A CONVERSATION TO SEE IF THEY CAN ADDRESS THIS FOR US. MAYBE. WOULD SHE COME BEFORE US? I'LL ASK HER. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE HER COME BEFORE US, TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST. WELL, I THINK WE HAD SPOKEN ABOUT HAVING THE DELEGATES COME BEFORE US. SORRY TO ADD ANOTHER SO IF IF THAT'S STILL OUR INTENT. WE. YEAH, AT ONE POINT, I'M SORRY. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE ASKED FOR, BUT WE HAD DISCUSSED ABOUT HAVING THE DELEGATION OR OUR REPRESENTATIVES COME BEFORE US TO SAY THANK YOU AND TO PLEA FOR ANYTHING WE MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN. SHOULD I PURSUE IT OR NOT? NOT SURE WHEN THAT WE'RE GOING TO FIT THAT IN. MR. YOUNG SO I'M ASSUMING SO I'LL DO THEM INDIVIDUALLY. CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT IS INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS. YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THEM ALL COMING ON THE SAME DAY ARE YOU? NO, I MAKE NO SENSE. I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND BECAUSE THE LAST TIME YOU HAD THIS DISCUSSION, THERE WAS IT STARTED AS A DISCUSSION. WE WANT TO HAVE THE DELEGATES HERE. AND THIS WAS WHEN 4005 WAS BEING DISCUSSED. BEING VOTED ON, THEN ERRED ON THE SIDE OF SAYING WE SHOULD JUST EACH CONTACT THEM AND NOT HAVE. OH, YES. YES. SO I JUST WANT TO KNOW HOW YOU WANT ME TO APPROACH THAT FROM THE PERSPECTIVE. IT'S JUST INDIVIDUAL. INDIVIDUAL, LIKE ONE AT A TIME. JUST SCHEDULE THEM OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT SEVERAL, YOU KNOW, MONTHS. I MEAN, I'M ASKING MA'AM. WELL, IT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD DO. WE HAVEN'T PUT IN PLACE. I REMEMBER ONE TIME SENATOR PASSIDOMO CAME I THERE IS THE DELEGATION HEARING, WHICH ANYBODY CAN GO, WHICH WE DO SPEAK. BUT I THINK IT'S MORE OF A RELATIONSHIP BUILDING WHERE IF THEY CAN COME, WE CAN SAY THANK YOU. YEAH. YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WANT THEM IN SEPARATE MEETINGS IS WHAT I WAS ALLUDING TO. IS THERE A REASON THEY CAN'T ALL COME AT ONCE? WE DON'T NEED A ONE. I DON'T KNOW THAT I SPEAK AS MUCH AS IT'S MORE OF A. IF THEY CAN. IN MY VIEW, WE NEED TO ACCOMMODATE THEM. IF MORE THAN ONE COULD COME AT A TIME, THAT'D BE GREAT. YEAH. I MEAN, JUST TREAT THEM LIKE WE DID AND SAY, DO YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW. COUNCIL WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ACCESS TO THEM AND VICE VERSA. WOULD YOU LIKE TO HAVE A TIME WHERE YOU CAN COME AND HAVE CONVERSATION? WHOEVER PICKS UP ON IT DOES, AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. YEAH, PROBABLY. YEAH. BUT I THINK ONE ON ONE, I THINK IS PROBABLY MORE EFFECTIVE RIGHT NOW. GET A WORKSHOP INSTEAD. BUT I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING IF TWO COINCIDED BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THEIR SCHEDULES WORKED. WHY NOT? OKAY. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. I'LL SCHEDULE IT. YEAH. I'LL SEE WHAT I CAN FOR A CITY COUNCIL MEETING. WOULD IT BE IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THEY COULD COME ON A WORKSHOP, BUT ANY, ANY MEETING, THAT'S. WE'LL MAKE THEM FIT IN. I MEAN, AND CLAIRE, CLEARLY THIS ISN'T AN HOUR CONVERSATION. IT IS IT IT IS JUST, YOU KNOW, GETTING TO KNOW YOU, GETTING TO KNOW YOU. I MEAN, I'M NOT GOING TO PUT A TIME LIMIT, BUT WE'RE WE'RE RESPECTFUL OF YOUR TIME. YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING FOR TEN, 15 MINUTES. YEAH. OKAY. I'LL WORK ON THAT. THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE A. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING. THE THE SENATE SPONSOR WAS ACTUALLY KEITH TRUNNELL AND THE HOUSE SPONSOR WAS DANNY ALVAREZ, SAID BENAROCH. BUT I WAS ON ON THIS BILL. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT IN CASE ANYONE WAS WATCHING. THAT'S IMPORTANT INFORMATION. WELL, EVERY MEETING PASSIDOMO HAS A STAFF PERSON WATCHING OUR SHOW, WATCHING US EVERY MEETING. IT'S TRUE. THEY GOT A STAFF PERSON WATCHING CITY COUNCIL IN NAPLES. YEAH. EVERY TIME WE HAVE A MEETING. YES. OKAY. CLEAR. MR. YOUNG. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. NOW, WHAT ITEM ARE WE ON? WE NEVER TOOK A MOTION ON 14 A THANK YOU. DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION ONLY BECAUSE IT'S A MATTER OF HOW WE WANT TO DO THINGS, BUT UNDER FULL PROTEST OF THIS OVERREACH. ITEM 14 B. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. 14 A. I'M SORRY. 14 A MOTION TO APPROVE AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTION 22-37 IN PARENTHESES. 15 REGARDING LEAF BLOWERS. I'LL GIVE A FULL PROTEST FOR A SECOND THERE. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CRAMER AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHULTZ. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. YES. VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP. [04:55:03] BEGRUDGINGLY. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. CRAMER. ALSO. BEGRUDGINGLY. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KROLL. UNFORTUNATELY. YES. MAYOR. HARTMAN. HAPPILY. NO. SO WITH THAT, IT PASSES 6 TO 1. OKAY. THANK YOU. MAYOR. 14 B. YES, SIR. OKAY. [14.B) An Ordinance Amending Section 2-51 – Regular Meetings; Amending Paragraph (A) of Section 2-54 – Quorum; Absentees; Public Meetings, of Division 2 - Meetings, of Chapter 2 – Administration, of the Code of Ordinances, City of Naples for the Purpose of Allowing Flexibility for Adding Additional Regular Meetings of City Council and Addressing Attendance Provisions Through the City Council’s Rules of Procedure; Providing for Codification; Conflicts; Severability; Correction of Scrivener’s Error; Construction; Publication and an Effective Date.] AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTION 2-51 REGULAR MEETINGS, AMENDING PARAGRAPH A OF SECTION 2-5 FOR QUORUM ABSENTEES. PUBLIC MEETINGS OF DIVISION TWO. MEETINGS OF CHAPTER TWO. ADMINISTRATION OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. CITY OF NAPLES. FOR THE PURPOSE OF ALLOWING FLEXIBILITY FOR ADDITIONAL. FOR ADDING ADDITIONAL REGULAR MEETINGS OF CITY COUNCIL AND ADDRESSING ATTENDANCE PROVISIONS THROUGH THE CITY COUNCIL'S RULES OF PROCEDURE. PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION. CONFLICT, SEVERABILITY, CORRECTION OF SCRIVENER'S ERRORS, CONSTRUCTION, PUBLICATION AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. SO IF YOU ALL WILL REMEMBER, I BELIEVE IT WAS THE FIRST MEETING YOU ALL. SOME OF THE. THE NEW MEMBERS WERE SWORN IN. WE HAD A RESOLUTION ON THE RULES AND PROCEDURES FOR CITY COUNCIL THAT WE ADOPTED. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT AT A STAFF LEVEL, WE WORKED ON STAFF AND THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WORKED ON FOR QUITE SOME TIME, JUST KIND OF CLEANING IT UP. BUT WHAT THAT UNCOVERED IS IT UNCOVERED SOME THINGS IN OUR CODE THAT ARE JUST VERY OUTDATED. THIS, THIS IS WHAT THIS ORDINANCE DOES. WE EVENTUALLY USED THIS SUMMER TO KIND OF FINALLY CATCH UP ON WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO DO. HAPPY TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE. BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, ALTHOUGH YOU GUYS ADOPT A CALENDAR EVERY DAY OR EVERY YEAR BY MOTION, TECHNICALLY, IN ORDER TO MOVE MEETING DAYS, YOU HAD TO DO IT BY ORDINANCE, WHICH REQUIRES TWO READINGS, WHICH IS A LOT OF TIME CONSUMED FOR SOMETHING LIKE CHANGING A MEETING DATE. ADDITIONALLY, AS YOU KNOW, DURING SUMMER, THERE ARE OFTEN MONTHS THAT WE HAVE NO MEETINGS. AND DURING WINTER THERE ARE MONTHS WHERE WE HAVE ONE MEETING. WELL, YOUR CODE REQUIRED TWO MEETINGS EVERY MONTH WITH NO FLEXIBILITY. SO THE FIRST CHANGE WAS GIVING YOU GUYS THE FLEXIBILITY BY A MAJORITY VOTE, WHICH YOU JUST DID ON THE COUNCIL CALENDAR TO ADD MEETINGS, MOVE MEETINGS, NOT HAVE TWO MEETINGS A MONTH IN CASES, IN CASES OF SUMMER RECESS AND WINTER RECESS. THE NEXT ONE, WHICH I THINK YOU GUYS WILL FIND VERY ENLIGHTENING, IS IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH A QUORUM UNDER TWO, FIVE, FOUR, AND IF NECESSARY, COUNCIL MAY COMPEL THE ATTENDANCE OF ABSENT MEMBERS BY ATTACHMENT AND ARREST BY THE CHIEF OF POLICE, OR BY IMPOSITION OF SUCH FINE OR PENALTY AS MAY BE FIXED BY ORDINANCE. THAT SEEMED A LITTLE HARSH TO COMPEL ATTENDANCE, SO I, I USE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF, AGAIN, DEFAULT TO THE RULES AND PROCEDURES FOR ATTENDANCE REQUIREMENTS. THERE'S NO NEED TO GET THE CHIEF OF POLICE INVOLVED AND, YOU KNOW, MAKING YOU GUYS SHOW UP HERE. SO THAT WAS REALLY THE ONLY TWO CHANGES. HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. I'D LOVE TO KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON DURING THAT POINT IN TIME IN OUR HISTORY THAT THEY FELT COMPELLED TO GET THE POLICE INVOLVED. IF YOU DIDN'T SHOW UP FOR A MEETING. I'VE GOT A QUESTION. OUR CHIEF GO TO ICELAND. HONESTLY. GLADLY. HE PROBABLY WOULD GLADLY GO. SO YEAH, IF THERE'S NO JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, IF THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, WE WERE PREVENTED FROM MAKING THESE CHANGES IN OUR RULES BECAUSE THEY WERE CODE. SO IF THIS DOES GO THROUGH, THEN THERE MAY BE SOME SLIGHT CHANGES THAT COME BACK IN THE FORM OF COUNCIL'S RULES AND RESOLUTION IN THAT RESOLUTION FORM. NOW THAT WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY. SO AGAIN, HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION. PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE RECORD. THANK YOU SIR. WE HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. I'LL MOVE APPROVAL OF THIS ORDINANCE ON FIRST READING. OF A MOTION. SECOND VICE MAYOR AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER. CRAMER. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHULTZ. VICE MAYOR. BLANKENSHIP. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KROLL. YES. AND MAYOR HARTMAN. YES. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. GOING TO OUR NEXT ITEM, MR. [15.A) Second Reading of an Ordinance Amending Public Noticing Requirements and Consider a Resolution Approving a Memorandum of Understanding with the Collier County Clerk of Courts.      An Ordinance of the City of Naples, Florida Amending the Naples Code of Ordinances To Create a New Section 1-17 of Chapter 1, General Provisions, to be Titled “Public Notice Requirements”, Providing for Electronic Publication of Required Notices and Advertisements on a Publicly Accessible County Website, Providing for Annual Notification to Residents and Property Owners to Receive Notices by Mail or E-Mail, and Establishing a Registry for This Purpose in Accordance with Section 50.0311, Florida Statutes; Amending Subsection (a)(1) of Section 2-53, Notice of Business to be Transacted; Subsection (4) of Section 2-83, Appeal Procedure; Extension of Time for Compliance; Section 2-764, Notice by Publication; Subsection (b)(2) of Section 12-5, Limitation Upon Grant; Subsection (e) of Section 30-163, Violations; Subsection (b) of Section 30-170, Pretreatment; Section 38-67, Public Notice; Section 44-8, Definitions of the Land Development Code; Subsection (e)(2) of Section 46-34, Approval of Conditional Uses; Subsection (b) of Section 46-36, Variances to Coastal Construction Control Line; Subsection (b)(4) of Section 46-38, Vacation of Street, Alley, Easement or subdivision Plat; Subsection (i) of Section 46-41, Claims for Vested Rights; Subsection (4)(a)1 of Section 52-93, Dredging, Filling and Other Marine Construction in Inland Waters; Subsection (c) of Section 54-31, Approval Procedure; Subsection (m)(2)a. of Section 56-48, Satellite Antennas, Towers and Masts; Section 58-804, Procedure for Approval of PD Zoning; and Subsection (i)(1) of Section 58-1078, Airport Noise Impact Zone Land Use Regulations of the Code of Ordinances of the City of Naples to Reference the New Section 1-17; Providing Administrative Procedures, Definitions, and Rules of Construction; Providing for Codification, Conflicts, Severability, Scrivener’s Errors, and Providing an Effective Date.] MCCONNELL. GLADLY. 15 A YES. AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF NAPLES, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE NAPLES CODE OF ORDINANCES TO CREATE A NEW SECTION 1-17 OF CHAPTER ONE, GENERAL PROVISIONS TO BE TITLED PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENTS PROVIDING FOR ELECTRONIC PUBLICATION OF REQUIRED NOTICES AND ADVERTISEMENTS ON A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE COUNTY WEBSITE, PROVIDING FOR ANNUAL NOTIFICATION TO RESIDENTS AND PROPERTY OWNERS TO RECEIVE [05:00:07] NOTICES BY MAIL OR EMAIL, AND ESTABLISHING A REGISTRY FOR THE PURPOSE. FOR THIS PURPOSE, IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 50.0311 FLORIDA STATUTES AMENDING SUBSECTION ONE OF SECTION 2-53 NOTICE OF BUSINESS TO BE TRANSACTED, SUBSECTION FOUR OF SECTION TWO. DASH 83. APPEAL PROCEDURE. EXTENSION OF TIME FOR COMPLIANCE. SECTION 2-764. NOTICE BY PUBLICATION. SUBSECTION TWO OF SECTION 12-5. LIMITATIONS UPON GRANT. SUBSECTION E OF SECTION 3163 VIOLATION, SUBSECTION B OF SECTION 30-170. PRETREATMENT. SECTION 38-67. PUBLIC NOTICE. SECTION 448. DEFINITIONS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, SUBSECTION TWO OF SECTION 46-34. APPROVAL OF CONDITIONAL USES. SUBSECTION B OF SECTION 46-36. VARIANCES TO COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE, SUBSECTION B FOUR OF SECTION 4638 VACATION OF STREET ALLEY EASEMENT OR SUBDIVISION PLAT, SUBSECTION I OF SECTION 4641 CLAIMS FOR VESTED RIGHTS, SUBSECTION FOUR A ONE OF SECTION 52-93 DREDGING, FILLING AND OTHER MARINE CONSTRUCTION AND INLAND WATERS. SUBSECTION C OF SECTION 5431 APPROVAL PROCEDURE, SUBSECTION M2A OF SECTION 56. 48. SATELLITE ANTENNA TOWERS AND MASTS. SECTION 58. 804 PROCEDURE FOR APPROVAL OF PD ZONING AND SUBSECTION ONE OF SECTION 581078 AIRPORT NOISE IMPACT ZONE LAND USE REGULATIONS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF NAPLES TO REFERENCE THE NEW SECTION 1-17, PROVIDING ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES, DEFINITIONS AND RULES OF CONSTRUCTION, PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, CONFLICT, SEVERABILITY, SCRIVENER'S ERRORS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU. THAT WAS VERY THAT WAS A LONG ONE. OKAY. WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS. WE VOTED. IS THERE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE RECORD. NO, SIR. NO PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. FOR THE RECORD. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING PUBLIC NOTICING REQUIREMENTS AND CONSIDER A RESOLUTION APPROVING A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH THE COLLIER COUNTY CLERK OF COURTS. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KROLL AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER. PRO. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. CRAMER. YES. COUNCILMEMBER. SCHULTZ. AYE. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. YES. VICE MAYOR. BLANKENSHIP. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. MAYOR. HARTMAN. NO. BUT IT PASSES 6 TO 1. THANK YOU. NEXT. GOING BACK. GO BACK TO 13, I. YES, SIR. [13.I) A Resolution Approving a Memorandum of Understanding Between the City of Naples, Florida, and the Clerk of the Circuit Court and Comptroller of Collier County, Florida, Regarding the City’s use of the Clerk of the Circuit Court’s “Collier Legal Notices” Website for the Publication of Advertisements and Public Notices; Authorizing the City Manager to Execute the Memorandum of Understanding; and Providing an Effective Date.   Please be advised that this Resolution will be heard immediately following the approval of Agenda Item 15.A. Second Reading of an Ordinance Amending Public Noticing Requirements and Consider a Resolution Approving a Memorandum of Understanding with the Collier County Clerk of Courts.] OKAY. A RESOLUTION APPROVING A MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE CITY OF NAPLES, FLORIDA, AND THE CLERK OF CIRCUIT COURT AND COMPTROLLER OF COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA, REGARDING THE CITY'S USE OF THE CLERK OF CIRCUIT COURT'S. CALL YOUR LEGAL NOTICES WEBSITE FOR THE PUBLICATION OF ADVERTISEMENTS AND PUBLIC NOTICES AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO EXECUTE THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL PATRICIA RAMOS, CITY CLERK. THE CLERK OF COURTS HAS PROVIDED THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING TO SET FORTH IN WRITING THE TERMS OF THE AGREEMENT, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, TO SET OUT THAT THERE WOULD BE NO CHARGE TO THE CITY FOR ADVERTISING, SO THAT WE WANTED TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD AND ARCHIVED. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT. I'M SORRY ABOUT HOW MUCH WILL YOU SAY? HOW MUCH WILL IT SAVE? OUR BALLPARK ESTIMATE WAS ANYWHERE FROM 80,000 TO UP TO 100,000 A YEAR. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. KIND OF OVER THE YEARS, I CAN ADD ONE. ONE LITTLE SCENARIO THOUGH THAT JUST HAPPENED THIS WEEK FOR EFFICIENCY PURPOSES. AND WE ADVERTISED FOR THE CRA MEETING THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AT 830 IN THE MORNING, AND THE MEETING DATE OR THE MEETING TIME WAS CHANGED TO 01:00. SO WE HAD ADVERTISED IT IN THE NEWSPAPER ALREADY FOR 830, AND WE PUT IT ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE ALSO. BUT WE JUST FOUND OUT, I THINK YESTERDAY THAT THE TIME WAS CHANGED. SO WE WERE ABLE TO GO TO THE COUNTY WEBSITE AND GET IT REVISED RIGHT AWAY SO THAT IT EVERYBODY THE PUBLIC KNEW KNOWS IT'S 1:00, BUT THE NEWSPAPER, WE COULDN'T DO THAT. SO WE HAD TO SPEND THE MONEY TO PLACE A WHOLE NEW AD. AND THEN WE DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE'S GOING TO SEE THAT. SO BY BY HAVING IT READILY AVAILABLE ON THE CITY WEBSITE AND BEING ABLE TO LINK TO ALL THE NOTICES. AND THERE'S QUITE A FEW OUT THERE THIS WEEK, IF ANYONE'S CHECKED, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF AND RESOLVED RIGHT AWAY. SO I THINK FOR EFFICIENCY, THAT WAS JUST A GREAT SCENARIO OF WHAT JUST HAPPENED THIS WEEK. [05:05:05] GOOD NEWS. GOOD. OKAY. OKAY. IF NO OTHER DISCUSSION, I MOVE. APPROVAL OF THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING WITH THE COLLIER COUNTY CLERK OF COURTS. I HAVE A MOTION. SECOND VICE MAYOR. I'LL SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER. CARL. MADAM CLERK. THERE IS NO PUBLIC COMMENT. MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL? COUNCIL MEMBER. BURTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. YES. VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KROLL. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. CRAMER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHULTZ. AYE. MAYOR. HARTMAN. YES. THANK YOU. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY AND. THAT TAKES US TO PUBLIC COMMENT. I HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. TAKES US TO COMMUNICATIONS AND CORRESPONDENCE. [17) COMMUNICATIONS FROM MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, AND STAFF] COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ. YES. I RECENTLY ENJOYED A BIRTHDAY. I DON'T KNOW IF I SHOULD BE USING THAT TERM. ENJOY IT. BUT I WAS IN RECEIPT FOR MY FRIENDS, MY LITTLE SPARTAN BOBBLEHEAD. AND SO DAVID TOLD ME THAT IF I WANTED TO GET IT ON THE AIR, I HAD TO BRING IT UP. DAVID. HERE YOU GO, MATE. THERE WE GO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN. NO, THAT WAS DELIGHTFUL. BUT I'VE GOT NOTHING. THANK YOU. OKAY. I HAVE KRAMER. OKAY. ON ONE OF OUR BREAKS, I GOT OUR CITY CONNECT NEWSLETTER VIA EMAIL. I JUST WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO MONIQUE AND ALEXIS, WHO DID AN INCREDIBLE JOB. THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THAT THING, AND IT LOOKS GREAT AND IT'S LINEAR AND LOGICAL. AND THANK YOU FOR THE GREAT JOB YOU DO. AND THEN THE OTHER THING, I THINK YOU GUYS READ ABOUT THIS, AND I KNEW FROM TDC THAT SOMETHING WAS BREWING, BUT CONDÉ NAST TRAVEL MAGAZINE, WHICH IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, FOR BOUGIE TRAVELERS LIKE MY COLLEAGUE HERE. NAMED CITY OF NAPLES ONE OF THE 20 MOST BEAUTIFUL CITIES FOR FOR ANY TYPE OF VISITOR TO VISIT IN THE WORLD. AND WE WERE THE ONLY TOWN. SORRY. TOWNS. WE'RE THE ONLY TOWN IN THE UNITED STATES THAT WAS ON THAT LIST. SO IF THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT US BEFORE, FOLKS, THEY KNOW ABOUT US NOW. BUT IT'S GREAT. JUST WHAT AN HONOR TO BE HERE AND SERVING IN THAT CLIMATE. THEY CALLED US ALL CHARACTER OR SOMETHING. OLD TOWN CHARM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I'M SURE THAT RELATED TO OUR VISION. SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS CLEVER. AND THEN FINALLY DO YOU HAVE DAVID? CAN YOU PUT THAT UP? I WANT TO SHOW THIS CARD THAT I GOT. IT'S ON THE BACK SCREEN. THIS IS JUST. IT'S ON OUR SCREEN HERE. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS REALLY COOL. SO ANDRE SENT ME THIS CARD AS A THANK YOU. IT SHOWS HIM AT PRINCETON. HE WAS THE ONE OF OUR DO THE RIGHT THING GUYS. THIS LAST YEAR OF NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL PLAYER. AND HE ALSO WON THE MARK NEWBERY AWARD. YEAH. OH. WHICH WHICH IS JUST A REMARKABLE YOUNG MAN. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN A THANK YOU LIKE THIS BEFORE. AND IT SAYS ON THE BACK. CITY TO CITY OF NAPLES. CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF. THANK YOU FOR LOVE AND SUPPORT. THIS WOULDN'T BE POSSIBLE WITHOUT OUR NAPLES COMMUNITY. THE MARK NEWBERY AWARD AND LEGACY. EXCLAMATION POINT. THERE HE GOES. HE WROTE IT. AND OF COURSE, THE REALLY IMPORTANT PART, BECAUSE HE KNOWS THERE'S ONLY TWO KINDS OF PEOPLE IN THE WORLD GOLDEN EAGLES AND THOSE WHO WANT TO BE GOLDEN EAGLES. ALL RIGHT. SO SHOUT OUT. THANK YOU ANDRE. WE LOVE YOU. THAT'S WONDERFUL. THAT'S WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON NOTHING TO ADD TO THAT OTHER THAN I CONCUR. THERE'S ONLY TWO KIND OF PEOPLE. AND HE WAS RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER. CARL. YEAH IT'S NICE TO SEE GOOD THINGS HAPPENING WITH THE HOSPITAL THIS MORNING. I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY SOMETHING TO BE PROUD ABOUT IN THE COMMUNITY. AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT UPDATE AND VERY HAPPY ABOUT IT. AS WE MENTIONED, A COUPLE OTHER THINGS ABOUT OUR INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS. I VIEW THESE AS VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE AS WE HIRE THESE ENGINEERS TO DO, YOU KNOW, STORMWATER WATERSHED DELINEATION AND ALL THAT WHERE WE HAVE OVERLAPPING WATERSHEDS WITH THE COUNTY. FINANCIALLY, WE WE NEED TO WORK ON THIS. THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT TOPIC AND I, I VIEW THAT SO SO GLAD THAT WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. [05:10:06] AND LASTLY I MENTIONED I THINK THIS IS GOING TO COME HARD AND FAST. THESE AI CENTERS WHICH I TALKED ABOUT IN THE SPRING HAVING CONCERN ABOUT IT AND ALL THAT. I'M WORRIED ABOUT OUR WELLS IN GOLDEN GATE BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WATER CONTAMINATION AND ALL THAT. AND I TALKED TO DOCTOR GEORGE ABOUT THIS. BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE GOTTA, YOU KNOW, DO IT NOW BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A GOOD POPULACE OUT THERE, WHOEVER BECOMES GOVERNOR AND THAT THEY'RE READY TO GO WITH THESE THINGS. I MEAN, AND NO ONE'S TALKING ABOUT THE IMPACT. AND I REALLY FEEL WE COULD BE IMPACTED, YOU KNOW, FROM THE CROSS BORDER DEVELOPMENT STANDPOINT, FROM OUR WELLS, ALL THIS. SO THIS IS PROBABLY BIGGER AND DEEPER THAT WE GOT TO GET AHEAD OF IT. SO. GO AHEAD. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY I, I AGREE WITH YOU, BUT AS FAR AS A CITY THAT WE HAVE THE LAND WHERE THAT COULD HAPPEN WITHIN CITY LIMITS, NOT THE CASE, BUT IT COULD HAPPEN IN THE COUNTY, WHICH IS WHAT YOU ARE REFERENCING, WHERE OUR WATER SUPPLY IS. YEAH. I WOULD SAY THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO TALK TO OUR COLLIER COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ABOUT. WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING WE WRITE TO THEM ABOUT EXPRESSING OUR CONCERNS. I DON'T KNOW, LEGALLY IF THERE'S A. LEGISLATION THAT WE CAN EVEN ESTABLISH. BUT I'LL LOOK TO MY LEGAL TEAM OR I MEAN, IF WE CAN GET A CONSENSUS THAT IT'S AN ISSUE AND WE CAN WRITE A LETTER TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS STATING OUR ISSUES AND CONCERNS BECAUSE THE COUNTY, WHAT THEY'RE DOING NOW IS THEY'RE SETTING CONDITIONS ON HOW TO ALLOW THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, THEIR CRITERIA AND ALL THAT. THAT'S WHAT THEY WENT BACK AND DID. NOW, IF THEIR CRITERIA IS RECIRCULATE WATER COOLING, THAT COULD THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO THE CAUSE VERSUS, YOU KNOW, TAPPING INTO GROUNDWATER. SO DEPENDING ON THEIR, WHAT THEY COME WITH, UP WITH IT'S CRITICAL. AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE GOT TO BE ON THESE DISCUSSIONS EARLY. BECAUSE THE IMPACT OF THE CITY COULD BE, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT COUNTY REPORT YOU JUST DID, COULD, COULD, YOU KNOW, GO, YOU KNOW, COULD THEY COULD ERASE THAT FROM THE MAGAZINE IF THIS DOESN'T GO WELL. YEAH. I'M ALL FOR PROTECTING OUR WELLS. I JUST WANTED I NEED MORE CLARIFICATION ON LIKE YOU SAID, I MY ONLY POINT OF REFERENCE IS I'VE GOT A BUDDY OUT IN IDAHO WHO'S WORKED ON. HE'S ACTUALLY HE'S GOT ROBOTICS. THIS IS WHAT HE DOES. HE GOES IN AND INSPECTS THEIR COOLING SYSTEMS, NOT JUST THESE, BUT FOR MUNICIPALITIES AS WELL. YOUR WATER, ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH, YOU KNOW, STORED WATER STORAGE THAT HAS TO BE INSPECTED. HE DOES THIS FOR A LIVING. HE'S ONE OF ONLY A FEW IN THE COUNTRY THAT DO IT. AND HE HAD JUST HAD BEEN OUT THERE IN MAY AND HE HAD THE BIG ONE. HE DID. I SAID, BECAUSE I WAS, I'VE HEARD THE SAME KIND OF WE CAN'T HAVE HIM MENTALITY. AND HE SAYS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO IN THIS CASE, IT'S JUST THIS CASE. IT'S JUST WHAT YOU JUST SAID. THEY JUST. IT'S A SELF-CONTAINED UNIT. IT RECIRCULATES ITS OWN WATER. IT DOESN'T. IT'S LIKE YOU FILL UP A. THE POOL. YEAH. BUT I THINK A LOT OF THESE PLACES ARE COMING TO FLORIDA BECAUSE OF CHEAP WATER AND AND ELECTRIC, YOU KNOW, SO BECAUSE THAT'S MORE EXPENSIVE TO DESIGN IT THAT WAY. SO YEAH, SO THAT'S WHERE WE KIND OF HAVE TO HAVE THIS YOU KNOW, REALLY, I DON'T THINK THEY BELONG IN TROPICAL CLIMATES. I DON'T THINK THEY BELONG IN TOURISM AREAS. I THINK I JUST DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THEM TO KNOW WHAT'S WRONG WITH THEM, QUITE HONESTLY. BUT, YOU KNOW, WHY ARE THEY COMING HERE? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IT'S MONEY SAVING. OH, SURE. THAT'S WHY. BUT I'M SAYING I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH IF I WANT TO FIGHT AGAINST SOMETHING, I JUST WE NEED THAT'S WHY WE NEED TO DO MORE RESEARCH FROM A LEGAL. AND WE NEED INPUT FROM OUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS IS WHAT WE NEED. WE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF RHETORIC OUT THERE ABOUT COOLING AND THAT THEY DRAW FROM, FROM GROUNDWATER. AND THEN YOU, THEN YOU FLIP THE PAGE AND YOU SCROLL DOWN A LITTLE BIT MORE ON YOUR COMPUTER AND THERE'S A REPORT THAT SAYS, NO, THEY CIRCULATE THE WATER AND IT DOESN'T DRAW FROM GROUNDWATER. SO WHICH ONE IS IT, MAN, I JUST READ, I READ TWO ARTICLES THAT SAID TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, AND I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH, AND I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH TO HAVE AN OPINION. SO I NEED, SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS THAT I TRUST TO COME IN AND EDUCATE ME ON THIS, BECAUSE IT MAY BE AN ISSUE. I'M NOT I'M NOT SUGGESTING IT'S NOT, BY THE WAY, BUT WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THERE'S ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT STORIES OUT THERE. YOU ALSO SEE THE STORIES ABOUT 400, 000 MEMBER BOT FARM FROM CHINA SUGGESTING THESE THINGS ARE AWFUL. [05:15:01] SO THAT WE HAVE, WE HAVE COMMUNITIES TEARING EACH OTHER APART AND NOT AND PUTTING US IN A SITUATION WHERE WE DON'T BUILD THE, THE DATA CENTERS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BUILD THEM AND THEY DON'T WANT US TO BUILD THEM. SO IS IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT US TO BUILD THEM? IS THAT WHY WE'RE SEEING ALL THESE ARTICLES ABOUT HOW BAD THEY ARE? BECAUSE CHINA DOESN'T WANT US TO BUILD THEM. I'VE READ THOSE ARTICLES AS WELL. SO AGAIN, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF MESSAGING OUT THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S RIGHT AND WHAT'S WRONG. I NEED PEOPLE THAT I TRUST AND THAT ARE MUCH MORE EDUCATED THAN I AM ON THE TOPIC TO, TO SIT DOWN AND EDUCATE ME ON IT SO THAT I CAN HAVE A POSITION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. AND I DON'T DISAGREE THAT IT'S IT'S IMPORTANT. IT'S A BIG DEAL. AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT OUR GROUNDWATER, OUR, OUR CITY'S WATER SUPPLY, THEN OBVIOUSLY IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. BUT I JUST I NEED MORE EDUCATION FROM PEOPLE THAT I TRUST THAT ARE EDUCATED, MORE EDUCATED THAN I. YEAH, I MIGHT I FIRST SAY I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT EXPERT WOULD BE. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A COLLEGE OR SOMEBODY THAT'S DONE THE RESEARCH ON IT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT IS. DON'T WE HAVE COUNCIL COMMISSIONER. COUNCIL COMING. MAYBE THAT'S AN ITEM THAT WE ASK HIM. WHAT CRITERIA? WHAT ARE THEY LOOKING AT SO THAT HE CAN SHARE WITH US WHAT THEY'RE DOING? YEAH, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION. AND I ALSO WROTE DOWN BOCC. SO WHEN I REACH OUT TO AMY AND TALK ABOUT THINGS THAT ARE TO WORK ON THE INITIATIVES FOR THE JOINT SESSION, JUST ASK THE QUESTION, WHAT ARE THEY DOING? IS THERE SOMETHING I COULD, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IN TERMS OF AN EXPERT, YEAH, I'LL I'LL THAT I CAN TRUST I'LL GO FIND ONE AND THEN I'LL BUT SERIOUSLY. YEAH, I DID WRITE THAT DOWN. MAYOR. AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING TO EITHER HAVE MR. COWL, BUT I WILL ALSO ASK MISS PATTERSON THAT WHEN I SPEAK TO HER ABOUT THE REST OF THE AGENDA. ANY OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS OF WHO'S THE EXPERT? I MEAN, THIS IS HOW THESE THINGS ARE DESIGNED TO. AND, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THEY I'M NOT AGAINST BUILDING THEM, BUT I'M AGAINST BUILDING THEM IN TOURIST LOCATIONS. THAT IS HIGH DENSITY AND HIGH HEAT ENVIRONMENTS. I MEAN, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY COMMON SENSE TO ME. I MEAN, I DON'T CARE WHAT THE EXPERTS SAY. IT MAKES NO SENSE WHEN THERE ARE COLD CLIMATES WITH WITH, YOU KNOW, LOW DENSITY, YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO ME TO MAKE THIS A FOCUS AREA. BUT I DO THINK IT'S A COST SAVING THING IS REALLY DRIVING THE PROCESS WHERE THEY GO. AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ISSUE I HAVE. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING PERSISTENT. ANYTHING ELSE? NO. I COULD GO ON IF YOU WANT, BUT. OH, NO. I APPRECIATE THIS TIME TO SHARE DIFFERENT THOUGHTS. I THINK THAT'S A IMPORTANT TIME. I'M ALSO REALIZING EVERYBODY'S PROBABLY TIRED RIGHT NOW. ONCE I GET OUT. NO, I IF IF YOU FIND SOMEONE ANYONE FIND SOMEBODY THAT'S WORTHY, BRING IT TO MR. YOUNG. AND IF IT'S INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE. MAYOR CAN I MAKE ONE COMMENT? YES, BECAUSE THIS WAS ACTUALLY A HOT TOPIC AT CITY ATTORNEY CONFERENCE I WENT TO. SO I'M SURE I CAN WORK WITH MR. YOUNG AND FIND SOMEONE WHO'S REGULATED THESE. BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DATA CENTERS AND AI CENTERS, RIGHT? BECAUSE A DATA CENTER RIGHT NOW COULD BE THIS ROOM WITH JUST A BUNCH OF SERVERS IN IT AS OPPOSED TO AN AI CENTER. SO I THINK AS WE DEVELOP THIS CONVERSATION, WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PROHIBIT, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO REGULATE. DEFINITIONS ARE GOING TO MATTER. BUT I JUST FELT LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT TO THE CONVERSATION. SO WITH QUANTUM COMPUTING RIGHT NOW AND ALL THAT, IT'S ALL MOVING TOWARDS THE BIGGER STUFF AND AIR CONDITIONED DATA CENTERS. YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO BE OBSOLETE PRETTY SOON. YEAH. AND CHINA'S PUT THEM IN THE OCEAN. SO, YOU KNOW. YOU HAVE TO SPEAK ON THE MICROPHONE FOR THE CLERK. OKAY. NO IT'S OKAY. I JUST. ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE COMPLETE. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. VICE MAYOR. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE, I'VE NOTICED SOME OF OUR VENDOR AGREEMENTS OR PURCHASING CONTRACTS HAVE THIS 10% CONTINGENCY BUILT IN, AND I HAD A DISCUSSION ON IT WITH MR. YOUNG AND DOCTOR GEORGE THIS WEEK TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BETTER. AND I THINK IT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IF THEY SHARE THAT WITH THE REST OF COUNCIL, EITHER BY EMAIL OR JUST A DISCUSSION POINT AT A FUTURE MEETING ON WHEN IT'S NEEDED AND HOW IT'S USED AND WHO GETS TO APPROVE IT. JUST I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND FROM A BUDGETARY STANDPOINT AND CONTROL STANDPOINT AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ACTUALLY BIDDING OUR PROJECTS PROPERLY. [05:20:09] SECOND THING I, WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF THE SUMMER PAVING PROGRAM, AND I WAS FORTUNATE TO BE A VERY CLOSE OBSERVER TO A STREET BEING REPAVED THIS WEEK. DAVE RIVERA WAS THERE. HE DID A GREAT JOB. THE CREW THAT WAS HIRED DID AN AWESOME JOB THERE. VERY EFFICIENT MILLING IT ONE DAY, PAVING IT THE NEXT DAY. IT LOOKS AWESOME AND IT WAS A JOB WELL DONE. I REALLY APPRECIATE WHAT STAFF IS DOING THERE. I'VE SEEN SOME OF THE OTHER STREETS THAT HAVE BEEN REPAVED ALREADY ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THE CITY, AND THEY'RE WORKING SOUTH AND JUST THANKS FOR A REALLY GOOD JOB. WELL DONE. THANK YOU. MR. MCCONNELL, DO YOU HAVE. YES. THANK YOU MAYOR. JUST TWO THINGS REAL QUICK. ONE OF THEM CAME UP TODAY. ONE OF THEM OR THEY BOTH CAME UP TODAY. SO AS YOU KNOW, THESE QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS ARE ALL BASED ON THE RECORD. THERE ARE SITUATIONS IN WHICH WE GET AND I'M NOT ON THE COUNCIL EMAIL, BUT YOU ALL GET EMAILS BEFORE THE ITEM COMES IN, RIGHT? SOMEONE'S SAYING I'M A NEIGHBOR. THESE ARE THE ISSUES, ETC.. AND GENERALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE IS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE ITEM, ONCE IT'S HEARD, WE'VE ESSENTIALLY MOTION TO ADOPT THOSE CORRESPONDENCES INTO THE ACTUAL RECORD. AND THERE'S A DISTINCTION HERE BETWEEN THE MEETING RECORD AND THE RECORD OF THE PROCEEDING, WHICH IS WHAT'S APPEALABLE TO CIRCUIT COURT. THERE ARE SITUATIONS, AND THERE WAS ONE TODAY, AND I DON'T WANT TO BE TOO SPECIFIC, BUT THERE WAS ONE TODAY WHERE WE GOT AN EMAIL ONCE THE ITEM WAS CALLED AND IT JUST SAID, I OBJECT. THE WHOLE POINT OF THESE EX PARTE COMMUNICATIONS IS FOR YOU TO DISCLOSE THEM WITH ENOUGH CERTAINTY AND SPECIFICITY THAT SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH YOU HAS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO COUNTER THAT, RIGHT? LIKE THE APPLICANT, LIKE IF SOMEONE WOULD HAVE SENT YOU AN EMAIL TODAY ON SOMETHING THAT YOU HEARD THAT SAYS, THIS ISN'T TRUE, THERE ARE FIVE FEET OFF, OR THEY DESERVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO THAT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO BASE PART OF YOUR DECISION ON THOSE COMMUNICATIONS. SO I'M BRINGING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION. I ALSO THINK SOMEONE JUST SAYING I OBJECT WITHOUT BEING HERE TRYING TO CREATE STANDING FOR THEMSELVES IN THE APPELLATE COURT. I WOULD NEVER TELL YOU TO ACCEPT. RIGHT. SO THERE'S A THRESHOLD HERE WHERE I UNDERSTAND THAT THESE COMMUNICATIONS AND PEOPLE HAVE ACCESS TO YOU AS PUBLIC OFFICIALS. SO WE JUST ADOPTED THE ORDINANCE RIGHT ON THE RULES. WHEN I BRING THE RULES BACK, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST APPROPRIATE PLACE TO MAYBE FLESH OUT HOW THESE COMMUNICATIONS, ONCE THE MEETING HAS STARTED, ARE GOING TO BE ADDRESSED FOR FUTURE CORRESPONDENCES. OKAY. AND UNLESS THERE'S ANY OBJECTION TO THAT, I JUST IT HAPPENED TODAY, AND I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. NUMBER TWO, AND I DON'T MIND BEING THE PERSON THAT USES THE LAW ON MY SIDE, BUT ME AND STAFF ALSO NEED HELP BECAUSE THESE ARE YOUR BOARD MEMBERS, RIGHT? AND IF YOU TALK TO THEM IN PUBLIC, JUST SAY CALL THE CITY ATTORNEY. CALL MIKE MORAWSKI. CALL. I DON'T LIKE DOING THIS IN PUBLIC BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S EMBARRASSING TO THEM. AND HAD HE CALLED ME BEFORE, I WOULD HAVE SAID, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT. DON'T COME RIGHT? OR SEND AN EMAIL, OR MAYBE BRING IT UP NEXT WEEK AT YOUR PLANNING BOARD AND GET A BOARD DECISION. SO IF HE'S WATCHING, I DON'T LIKE BEING PUT IN THAT POSITION, WHICH IS WHY MY NUMBER IS ON THE WEBSITE ON THE BUSINESS CARD. IF YOU'RE A BOARD MEMBER, PLEASE CALL ME. IF YOU'RE A MEMBER OF PUBLIC AND HAVE A QUESTION, PLEASE CALL ME. I'D MUCH RATHER HAVE PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS THAN CALLING YOU OUT, BUT I APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT TOO, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY, THESE ARE YOUR RULES THAT I'M TRYING TO ENFORCE. AND IF YOU GUYS DON'T MIND, THEN WE CAN CHANGE THE RULES, RIGHT? BUT I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT TOO, BECAUSE I DON'T I PREFER TO NOT BE IN THAT SITUATION. SO THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. AND JUST SOME HOUSEKEEPING. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DURING QUASI JUDICIAL. AND WHILE WE'RE AT THIS DAIS THAT WE ARE LIMITING OUR. WE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE ON OUR CELL PHONES. BECAUSE OUR ATTENTION SHOULD BE TOWARDS THE HEARING. AND ALSO THERE COULD BE A PERCEPTION, ESPECIALLY DURING QUASI JUDICIAL, THAT YOU MIGHT BE COMMUNICATING WITH SOMEONE ABOUT THEIR OPINION OR VOTE. SO I JUST FOR, FOR PERCEPTION ISSUES DURING THESE HEARINGS, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE NOT ON OUR PHONES. AND THAT GOES FOR ME. I WAS JUST ON MY PHONE. [05:25:03] SO I MEAN, IT HAPPENS, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO CHECK OR CHECK IN, BUT WHEN WE'RE HERE, WE NEED TO FOCUS IN ON THE PETITIONERS OR THE STAFF THAT'S TALKING TO US. SO MAY I GO ONE STEP FURTHER? YES, SIR. NOT JUST QUASI JUDICIAL. THE LAST THING YOU GUYS WANT IS YOU'RE ON PUBLIC TELEVISION, AND IMMEDIATELY YOU GET A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST FOR THOSE TEXT MESSAGES. AND NOW I HAVE TO GO THROUGH YOUR PERSONAL PHONE TO DETERMINE WHAT'S A PUBLIC RECORD OR NOT. AND IT HAPPENS MORE THAN YOU THINK, RIGHT? SO IT'S NOT JUST THE QUASI JUDICIAL ASPECT. YOU'RE READING OFF A DOCUMENT, WHICH YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR PHONE WHILE READING, TALK TO THE CLERK. THERE'S THOUSANDS OF PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS THAT COME IN EVERY DAY, EVERY WEEK, EVERY MONTH. AND IT'S NOT JUST FOR DOCUMENTS THAT ARE READILY AVAILABLE. YOU GUYS GET THE EMAILS RIGHT. YOU HAVE TO SEARCH YOUR EMAILS. SO KEEP THAT IN MIND TOO. IT'S NOT JUST QUASI JUDICIAL. IF YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO PROVIDE YOUR TEXT MESSAGE TO ME, WHICH I DON'T WANT TO SEE IF IT'S PERSONAL, THEN YOU KNOW, DO IT ON BREAK. THANKS, MAYOR. YES, AND THANK YOU FOR THE REMINDER. I HAVE FOUR OUTSTANDING PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS, SO REMEMBER TO TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH YOUR PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST. I GOT IT COMPLETE WITH THAT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. MR. YOUNG, I HAVE NOTHING MAYOR. THANK YOU. REALLY? OKAY. THE DATA CENTER CONVERSATION. I THINK THERE WAS A REPORT THAT WENT OUT FROM SANDRA ABOUT THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES. AND THERE'S SOME DATA, INFORMATION ABOUT DATA, I MEAN, AI CENTERS. THANK YOU. SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU MAYBE WANT TO INQUIRE WITH THE FLORIDA LEAGUE OF CITIES OR WITH SANDRA ON, ON HER EXPERIENCE FROM, FROM THE CONFERENCE I HOPE EVERYBODY GOT HER KIND OF DEBRIEF FROM THE, FROM THAT MR. YOUNG IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY OR IN OUR CODE, IT DOES SAY THAT YOU CAN, AS A PETITIONER, THIS OR THE CITY CAN DO THEIR OWN TRAFFIC STUDY. IS THAT CORRECT OR NOT? DON'T MEAN TO. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT SOMEBODY? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT. IF A DEVELOPER COMES IN WITH A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT THE CITY COULD DO ITS OWN OR. YES, IF WE EVER QUESTIONED IT. IF THIS. IF THE PETITIONER BRINGS IN A TRAFFIC STUDY. OKAY. AND I QUESTION IT. WHAT'S THAT PROCESS? DO YOU. WELL, WE'VE TALKED WE HAVE THE PROCESS THAT WE OUTLINED FOR YOU IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT TRAFFIC STUDY ANALYSIS WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND THEN ACTUALLY CHARGING A FEE, I BELIEVE THAT STILL WAS IN DRAFT FORM. WE PRESENTED JUST BEFORE BREAK AND IS SUPPOSED TO BE COMING BACK WITH PROPOSED RESOLUTIONS. BUT I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T THAT'S NOT ONE OF THOSE THAT I WANT TO ANSWER OFF THE CUFF, BECAUSE I THINK IT HAS TO. EVEN THE COUNCIL RECEIVED INDIVIDUAL PRESENTATIONS OF WHAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS. TYPES OF CHANGES THAT COULD BE DISCUSSED. AND I'D RATHER NOT GIVE AN OFF THE CUFF ANSWER ON THAT REQUEST. I AGREE, THANK YOU. I JUST NEEDED THAT REFRESH ON MY MEMORY, I APPRECIATE THAT. SURVEY WENT OUT. THANK YOU. FOR THE SURVEY THAT CAME OUT FROM MONIQUE ON THE COMP PLAN. THE ONE THING THAT WAS NOT ON THERE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS IT IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT PAB IS GOING TO DISCUSS? WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS FIRST. I MEAN, I BELIEVE, ERIC, I'M NOT GOING TO MONIQUE DOESN'T GENERATE THAT SURVEY THAT I'LL LET ERICA. I CAN GET HER. I THINK SHE MAY STILL BE IN THE BACK IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS. I JUST IT'S NOT HER. IT'S NOT MONIQUE DRIVING THOSE THINGS THAT'S COMING FROM JOHNSON THROUGH ERICA AND HELP SEND THOSE OUT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I DID MISS ALL I HEARD WAS I COULD GO GET AIR. SO I WAS. I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS AND HOW WE ARE GOING TO ADDRESS THEM IN THE COMP PLAN. I SAW THE SURVEY THAT WENT OUT. THANK YOU. BUT IT DIDN'T MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS. SO WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED. OH BOY. OVER A YEAR AGO, AT THIS POINT IN THE VERY EARLY STAGES OF THIS COMP PLAN UPDATE WAS, I BELIEVE THERE IS CONSENSUS ON COUNCIL, AND WE'VE HEARD A LOT FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO KIND OF REESTABLISH THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THEY WERE TAKEN OUT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THEN WHEN THEY WERE TAKEN OUT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEY JUST KIND OF DIED. AND WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T KEPT THAT UP. SO I THINK WHAT I HAD ADVISED COUNCIL, AND I STILL BELIEVE TO BE TRUE, IS THAT I THINK THERE IS GREAT VALUE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS. [05:30:09] I THINK THEY ARE ACTUALLY MORE VALUABLE TO YOU IF THEY ARE NOT PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS REALLY SHOULD BE FLUID BREATHING DOCUMENTS THAT YOU CAN UPDATE REGULARLY. THE COMPREHENSIVE THE PROCESS TO UPDATE SOMETHING THAT IS YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AS YOU'VE EXPERIENCED NOW, IS QUITE LENGTHY AND ALSO REQUIRES REVIEW BY MANY OTHER EXTERNAL AGENCIES. NOW, THE. THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS OF OLD WERE REALLY DOWN TO. IT WAS MORE OF A SIP DRIVEN PROCESS WHERE IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A AN AQUILINE SHORES, THERE'S A STOPLIGHT AT THIS INTERSECTION THAT HAS BEEN FUNKY OR THERE'S POTHOLES ON THIS STREET THAT WE'D LIKE TO HAVE ADDRESS. IT WAS DOWN TO THAT LEVEL. AND IT REALLY DID GUIDE THE SIP PROCESS AS WE DID IT EVERY YEAR. I THINK YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE THOSE ANNUALLY OR BI ANNUALLY OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, MECHANISM YOU CHOOSE, BUT YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO EVALUATE THOSE MORE OFTEN THAN THE COMP PLAN UPDATING PROCESS WOULD ALLOW YOU TO DO. SO I THINK WHAT WE HAD DISCUSSED WAS GETTING THROUGH THIS COMP PLAN PROCESS. BUT THAT THE REESTABLISHMENT OR YEAH, REIMAGINING, I THINK ALSO OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS WOULD BE SEPARATE FROM THAT. I THINK WE SHOULD DO IT. I THINK IT SHOULD BE SEPARATE. AND I THINK ANOTHER PART OF THE CONVERSATION WAS THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS THAT WE HAD BEFORE. I BELIEVE THERE WERE 7 OR 9 OF THEM, BUT THEY WERE BASED ON THE PLANNING NEIGHBORHOODS THAT YOU WOULD SEE ON YOUR INTERACTIVE MAP, WHICH ARE VERY LARGE. SO IT WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, THE PARK SHORE PLANNING NEIGHBORHOOD INCLUDES SEAGATE. IT INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, INCLUDES THE, THE ISLAND, IT INCLUDES ALL THOSE AREAS. ROYAL HARBOR PLANNING NEIGHBORHOOD INCLUDES OYSTER BAY INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THE IDEA WAS, AS WE HEARD THROUGH THIS PLANNING PROCESS, I DON'T THINK THE NEIGHBORHOODS IDENTIFY THAT WAY ANYMORE IN THOSE LARGE GROUPINGS. I THINK THEY WOULD LIKE MORE SPECIFICITY. SO I HEAR YOU, AND I'M SURE WE'LL FIGURE THAT PROCESS OUT. EVEN THOUGH YOU HAD A CONSENSUS FROM COUNCIL TO PUT THEM BACK IN FIGURING OUT HOW THAT WOULD BE SO THAT IT WASN'T MORE OF A SIP. I MEAN, I CAN THINK OF A COUPLE OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT REALLY NEED SOME ATTENTION, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU KNOW, LIKE RIVER PARK WOULD HAVE BEEN ONE OF THEM WITH INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN THERE. SO THAT WAS NOT A SEPARATE NEIGHBORHOOD WITH ITS OWN NEIGHBORHOOD PLAN. SO I THINK THE FIRST STEP WOULD BE TO, YOU KNOW, THE EXERCISE OF IDENTIFYING WHICH NEIGHBORHOODS WE BREAK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE BREAK THE CITY INTO TO EACH HAVE THEIR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS AND THEN AND THEN START FROM THERE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. JUST ONE POINT OF CLARITY, ERICA. WASN'T IT DISCUSSED AT PB ALSO ABOUT THE SAME AND SAID WE COULD BE IN IT. IT WOULD BE ALMOST AN ADDENDUM, A REFERENCE SECTION THAT THAT SHOULD BE UPDATED EVERY SO MANY YEARS, BUT THAT THAT DOCUMENT ITSELF DOESN'T LIVE WITHIN THAT DOCUMENT. CORRECT. IT WOULD BE A SEPARATE FROM IT WOULD BE SEPARATE FROM THE SCRIBE, WHAT IT SHOULD LOOK LIKE AND FREQUENCY OF REVIEWING IT, BUT IT WOULDN'T BE DEFINED IN THERE. THE COMP PLAN DOES ADDRESS THAT. WE WOULD LIKE TO REINVIGORATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING PROCESS, BUT IT DOESN'T. THOSE PLANS WOULD NOT LIVE IN THE COMP PLAN. SO IF IT'S IN THE APPENDIX, WHICH IS WHERE THEY ARE NOW, I DON'T THINK YOU WANT THOSE PLANS TO BE PART OF YOUR COMP PLAN. I THINK YOU WANT THEM TO BE SEPARATE DOCUMENTS THAT THEN YOU REFERENCE OR SOMETHING THERE BY REFERENCE. YES. THEY'RE REFERENCED IN THE COMP PLAN THAT WE WANT TO, YOU KNOW, SO WE'LL HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. BUT YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. IT IS ON THE RADAR. OH, SINCE YOU'RE THERE BECAUSE THE NEXT ONE IS REALLY ABOUT YOU. AND I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS A PRIORITY. BECAUSE IT'S A NECESSITY AND THAT IS LOOKING AT CODES THAT ARE GLARINGLY CONTRADICTING THE OR AMBIGUOUS OR ARE WE SO YOU'VE SEEN AND YOU CAN CUT IN IF YOU WANT TO, BUT YOU'VE SEEN LIKE TODAY WE BROUGHT TO YOU THE PERSONAL SERVICE. YOU'LL SEE IN THE NEXT FEW WORKSHOPS, I THINK GARY IN THE PRIORITIES DISCUSSION TOLD YOU THAT THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT STAFF, YOU KNOW, IS BRINGING TO YOU SAYING, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE ON FIRE RIGHT NOW. THESE ARE THE ISSUES THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, TWO BUSINESSES IN ONE UNIT. YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE BELIEVE AS WE'RE IN IT EVERY DAY SUBDIVISIONS. THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE ARE BRINGING TO YOU SAYING YOUR CODE IS NOT YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THIS IN YOUR CODE FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE I MEAN, IF ANYONE KNOWS OF A SECTION YOU'D LIKE US TO LOOK AT, THEN, YOU KNOW, JUST SHOOT IT. TO ME, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER MESSAGE WE WOULD GET IS JUST TO, [05:35:03] TO, TO VET A SECTION. IF YOU KNOW SPECIFICALLY SOMETHING YOU WANT US TO DO AS WELL, BECAUSE WE'RE WE KNOW WHAT'S HARD AND FAST HITTING US AS, AS SHE DOES HER WORK. I MEAN, SHE DOES THE WORK. I JUST, I, I'M HER COPILOT IN THAT REGARD. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY WE WANT TO ADDRESS THEM BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT ANY CONFLICT THAT CAN BE RESOLVED, MAKES OUR LIFE EASIER AND YOURS. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. AT THE END OF THE DAY, I DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE POSITION OF INTERPRETING THINGS. I WOULD MUCH PREFER IT TO BE CLEAR AND CONCISE IN YOUR CODE. SO OKAY, AS LONG AS THAT'S OUR GOAL. YES, ON AN ONGOING BASIS, I APPRECIATE THAT. YES. AS YOU DO. YES. VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MR. YOUNG, THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH EMAILS BEING BLOCKED. I HEARD ABOUT IT THIS WEEK. DO YOU. YEAH, I JUST YEAH, JUST WELL, I JUST, I WAS ASKED ABOUT IT YESTERDAY AND THEN WHEN I ACTUALLY WAS JUST RECEIVED SOMETHING THAT ALL OF COUNCIL WAS, WAS BLOCKED BY AN EMAIL WHILE WE WERE TALKING ON AN ITEM TODAY. SO I'LL HAVE IT. I'LL TALK TO TECH SERVICES AND SEE IF THAT IS PREVALENT THROUGHOUT THE CITY OR WHAT'S GOING ON. BUT I, YEAH, I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT IT MOMENTS AGO. YES. THANK YOU. I HAD AN EMAIL THAT WAS BLOCKED LAST WEEK. SO OKAY. IF I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, YEAH, I AND WITH THAT NO ON A MORE SERIOUS NOTE WE ARE APPROACHING NINE OVER 11 WHICH WAS A VERY I WOULDN'T SAY WE WANT TO MEMORIALIZE IT, BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO ALWAYS REMEMBER AND NEVER FORGET THE TRAGEDY THAT HAPPENED. MY KIDS WERE AT LAKE PARK WHEN IT HAPPENED, AND IT WAS IT WAS DEVASTATING TO JUST THE CHILDREN THAT WEREN'T INVOLVED. BUT WE HAD FAMILIES AND FIREFIGHTERS AND FIRST RESPONDERS AND REGULAR CITIZENS THAT WERE LOST. AND THERE ARE EVENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND I HOPE THAT YOU WILL PARTICIPATE IN THOSE. I KNOW IN FREEDOM PARK AT 6:00 ON NEXT FRIDAY, THERE IS A SERVICE OF NEVER FORGETTING. AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME THINGS COMING OUT OF THE OFFICE OF IDEAS OR JUST A LETTER FROM ME. ON RECOGNIZING THE IMPORTANCE OF US AND REMEMBERING THOSE WHO SACRIFICED THEIR LIVES OR WENT IN WITH JUST BLIND EYES AND SAID, I'M GOING TO GO IN AND SAVE PEOPLE AND MAYBE I'VE LOST THEIR LIVES, BUT THEY ALSO SAVED LIVES. SO AND THEY'RE ALSO IN OUR COMMUNITY. I IRONICALLY GOT A MESSAGE FROM SOMEONE WHO'S BENCH IS IN CAMBIER PARK, AND SHE WENT OVER TO LOOK AT IT TODAY AND THERE WASN'T THE PLAQUE WASN'T PUT ON THERE. SO WE NEED TO CAN WE HAVE AN UPDATE AT SOME POINT ON WHERE WE ARE WITH REPLACING THOSE PLAQUES? I THINK LATER ANOTHER TIME, BUT THAT REMINDED ME WE AREN'T IN COUNCIL AND IT IS A DAY OF REALLY SILENCE AND PRAYER. SO AND THERE'S NOTHING ELSE FOR THE BETTER. GOOD. THAT'S THE WAY THAT IT IS. AND WE'RE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.