[00:04:23] 38 VACATION STREET, ALLEY AND EASEMENT OR SUBDIVISION PLAT. [7.A) An Ordinance of the City of Naples, Florida Amending the Naples Code of Ordinances To Create a New Section 1-17 of Chapter 1, General Provisions, to be Titled "Public Notice Requirements", Providing for Electronic Publication of Required Notices and Advertisements on a Publicly Accessible County Website, Providing for Annual Notification to Residents and Property Owners to Receive Notices by Mail or E-Mail, and Establishing a Registry for This Purpose in Accordance with Section 50.0311, Florida Statutes; Amending Subsection (a)(1) of Section 2-53, Notice of Business to be Transacted; Subsection (4) of Section 2-83, Appeal Procedure; Extension of Time for Compliance; Section 2-764, Notice by Publication; Subsection (b)(2) of Section 12-5, Limitation Upon Grant; Subsection (e) of Section 30-163, Violations; Subsection (b) of Section 30-170, Pretreatment; Section 38-67, Public Notice; Section 44-8, Definitions of the Land Development Code; Subsection (e)(2) of Section 46-34, Approval of Conditional Uses; Subsection (b) of Section 46-36, Variances to Coastal Construction Control Line; Subsection (b)(4) of Section 46-38, Vacation of Street, Alley, Easement or subdivision Plat; Subsection (i) of Section 46-41, Claims for Vested Rights; Subsection (4)(a)1 of Section 52-93, Dredging, Filling and Other Marine Construction in Inland Waters; Subsection (c) of Section 54-31, Approval Procedure; Subsection (m)(2)a. of Section 56-48, Satellite Antennas, Towers and Masts; Section 58-804, Procedure for Approval of PD Zoning; and Subsection (i)(1) of Section 58-1078, Airport Noise Impact Zone Land Use Regulations of the Code of Ordinances of the City of Naples to Reference the New Section 1-17; Providing Administrative Procedures, Definitions, and Rules of Construction; Providing for Codification, Conflicts, Severability, Scrivener's Errors, and Providing an Effective Date.] SUBSECTION ONE OF SECTION 46-41 CLAIMS FOR VESTED RIGHTS, SUBSECTION FOUR, A ONE OF SECTION 5293 DREDGING, FILING, AND OTHER MARINE CONSTRUCTION AND INLAND WATERS. SUBSECTION B, SECTION 5431 APPROVAL PROCEDURE, SUBSECTION M2A OF SECTION 6848. SATELLITE AND TOWER ANTENNAS, TOWERS AND MASTS. SECTION 58 804 PROCEDURE FOR APPROVAL OF PD ZONING AND SUBSECTION ONE I ONE OF SECTION 58 1078 [00:05:06] AIRPORT NOISE IMPACT ZONE LANDING REGULATIONS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF NAPLES. TO REFERENCE THE NEW SECTION 1-17, PROVIDING ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES, DEFINITIONS AND RULES OF CONSTRUCTION, PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, CONFLICT, SEVERABILITY, SCRIVENER'S ERRORS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. SUPPLEMENT TWO SLASH UPDATED. INTERN. PAB REPORT. PATRICIA. GOOD MORNING, CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. I FEEL LIKE I'M TRYING OUT FOR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TODAY. SO. SO JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND AND TO GO THROUGH THIS, ON MAY 20TH, THE CITY COUNCIL HELD A PUBLIC HEARING ON A FIRST READING OF THIS ORDINANCE TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY'S ALTERNATE USE OF THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE IN LIEU OF NEWSPAPER PUBLICATION, FOR LEGAL NOTICES. AT THAT TIME, THE CITY ATTORNEY FOUND THAT SEVERAL SECTIONS THAT WERE PROPOSED TO BE AMENDED WERE SECTIONS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AND THE CITY COUNCIL REFERRED THE ORDINANCE TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. TO PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE BACKGROUND ON THE HISTORY OF THIS IN JANUARY OF 2023. CHAPTER 50 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES WAS AMENDED TO ALLOW MUNICIPALITIES TO PUBLISH ALL REQUIRED LEGAL NOTICES ON A COUNTY'S PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE WEBSITE IN LIEU OF UTILIZING A A NEWSPAPER WITH MEETING SOME MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS IN 2020 FOR THE COLLIER COUNTY CLERK OF COURTS ESTABLISHED THE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE WEBSITE, AND WE WORK TOGETHER WITH THEM TO FINE TUNE THAT SO THAT IT WAS ACCESSIBLE TO ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES IN THE COUNTY. SO RIGHT NOW, WE'RE USING THAT AS A CENTRALIZED HUB FOR HOSTING LEGAL NOTICES AND PUBLIC NOTICES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. THE CLERK OF COURTS HAS NOW MADE THIS WEBSITE AVAILABLE TO ALL CITIES WITHIN COLLIER COUNTY AT NO COST. SINCE JULY OF 2024, WHICH WAS QUITE A WHILE AGO, THE CITY OF NAPLES HAS BEEN POSTING ITS LEGAL NOTICES ON THAT COUNTY WEBSITE, AND I'M GOING TO REVIEW IN A LITTLE BIT WHAT THE ADVANTAGES OF THAT ARE. BUT WE'VE USING IT TO PROMOTE EFFICIENCY AND PROVIDE COST SAVINGS TO THE CITY OF NAPLES TAXPAYERS. ALL THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS FOR USE OF THE WEBSITE HAVE ALREADY BEEN MET. THERE ARE TWO STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS THAT APPLY TO THE ELECTRONIC PUBLICATION, AND THEY'RE LISTED IN PARAGRAPH E OF THE ORDINANCE. OTHERWISE, THE ONLY CHANGE IS THAT WE CREATED A SECTION 1-17 PUBLICATION NOTICE REQUIREMENTS DEFINING PUBLICATION. AND THAT SECTION WAS DRAFTED IN A MANNER THAT WE COULD CONTINUE TO PUBLISH LEGAL NOTICES IN A NEWSPAPER OR IF IT WERE NECESSARY THAT WE PUBLISH IN A NEWSPAPER, BUT WE COULD ALTERNATIVELY PUBLISH THEM ON THE COLLIER COUNTY CLERK OF COURTS WEBSITE. AND JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN USING THIS SINCE 2024, WE FOUND THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A MEETING WE NEEDED TO PUBLISH, AND FOR SOME REASON, THE COUNTY CLERK'S OFFICE COULDN'T GET IT WITHIN THAT TWO DAY PERIOD ON ITS WEBSITE. BUT WE WERE ABLE TO GET IT IN THE NEWSPAPER THE NEXT DAY, WHICH WAS KIND OF UNHEARD OF BECAUSE USUALLY IT TAKES US LONGER TO GET IT IN THE NEWSPAPER THAN ON THE WEBSITE. SO IN THAT CASE, IT WORKED. SO IT'S GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY. IF YOU CAN'T DO IT HERE, YOU CAN DO IT HERE. THE REMAINDER OF THE ORDINANCE AMENDS ALL THE TERMS AND REFERENCES THROUGHOUT THE CODE THAT REFERS TO PUBLISHING IN A NEWSPAPER. TO REVISE THEM BACK, TO REFLECT TO THE SECTION 1-17 SO THAT THERE'S NO DISCREPANCIES IN THE CODE. AND AS YOU KNOW, THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE STARTS AT CHAPTER 44 OF THE CODE, AND THERE'S QUITE A FEW REFERENCES AS THE CHAIR READ THAT REFER TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. BASICALLY, WE CAN GO THROUGH THOSE CHANGES IN A BIT, BUT THEY'RE JUST TO REFER BACK TO THE ORIGINAL. 1.17. I OVERVIEWED THIS ALTERNATIVE METHOD OF PUBLISHING WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AT ITS WORKSHOP IN JANUARY OF 2025. SO MORE THAN A YEAR AGO AT THAT TIME, CITY COUNCIL CONSENTED TO PROCEED WITH DRAFTING OF [00:10:09] AN ORDINANCE, BUT FIRST REQUIRED THAT WE PUBLISH IN THE NEWSPAPER A NOTICE INFORMING THE RESIDENTS OF OUR INTENT TO USE THIS OTHER METHOD OF ADVERTISING OUR LEGAL NOTICES, AND THAT NOTICE PROCESS WAS COMPLETED LAST JUNE AND PROVIDED AN AFFIDAVIT OF THE PUBLICATION IN YOUR PACKET FOR THAT. AND IN ADDITION, THE NOTICE HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE PUBLIC THROUGH THE CITY'S MONTHLY NEWSLETTERS SINCE LAST JANUARY AND HAS CONTINUED TO DATE. I HAVE A SHORT POWERPOINT PRESENTATION. UNDER PRESENTATION. AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THIS A LITTLE QUICKLY BECAUSE SOME OF THE STUFF I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED. BUT THE FIRST SLIDE IS JUST REFERENCING AMENDING THE CODE AND CREATING THAT SECTION 1-17 GENERAL PROVISIONS. THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE REFERENCE TO FLORIDA STATUTES, CHAPTER 50. AND THEN REFERENCING THAT EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST OF 2023 THAT DO YOU HAVE DO YOU HAVE THIS FOR THE PRESENTATIONS? IT'S JUST IN THE AGENDA. IT'S IT'S ACTUALLY AN ATTACHMENT IN YOUR PACKET ON PRESENTATION, AND I CAN GRAB IT OUT OF THE AGENDA. DAVID. OKAY. IS THAT THAT? OKAY. PERFECT. OKAY, THE NEXT SLIDE HERE IS JUST AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT THE CLERK OF COURTS WEBSITE LOOKS LIKE. ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE REQUIREMENTS OF WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN ORDER TO BE ABLE FOR THE CITY TO BE ABLE TO USE THIS. WE HAD TO PUBLISH A NOTICE ONCE A YEAR IN IN THE NAPLES DAILY NEWS INFORMING THE PUBLIC. BUT WE ACTUALLY DID THAT ONCE A MONTH FOR SIX MONTHS. WE NEED TO MAINTAIN A REGISTRY OF NAMES, ADDRESSES AND EMAIL ADDRESSES. IF A REQUEST IS MADE FOR NOTICES TO BE MAILED, AND WE NEED TO AMEND OUR CODE AND ESTABLISH AN INTERNAL EMAIL ADDRESS TO BE MANAGED BY THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE FOR LEGAL NOTICES, WHICH WE ALREADY DID. AND JUST TO BOUNCE BACK ON THE EFFICIENCY PART, THE EFFICIENCY IS MORE INTERNAL IN THAT THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE IS GOING TO BE MANAGING THE ENTIRE PROCESS FOR THE CITY, RATHER THAN CITY DEPARTMENTS TRYING TO PLACE THEIR OWN ADS IN THE NEWSPAPER AND TRY TO GET THEIR AFFIDAVITS AND PAY THEIR BILLS. OKAY. CAN I ADD SOMETHING? I ALSO WOULD JUST MENTION THAT NOTHING IN THIS ORDINANCE CHANGES THE LAND USE ITEM NOTICING PROCEDURE. SO YOU'RE I THINK IT'S 4645. THE NOTICING REQUIREMENTS FOR LAND USE ITEMS. WE WILL STILL BE SENDING THE MAILED NOTICE WITHIN 30 DAYS FOR ALL PLANNING ITEMS. THIS DOESN'T REPLACE THAT PROCESS. JUST SO YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS A REQUEST FOR MAILED NOTICES. WE WILL STILL CONTINUE THAT PROCESS. THIS IS JUST THE NOTICE OF THE MEETINGS. AND THE NEXT SLIDE HERE IS A PICTURE OF THE CITY'S HOME PAGE WITH. YOU'LL SEE THERE'S AN ARROW TO A TAB CALLED LEGAL NOTICES. SO WE HAVE BEEN VERY TRANSPARENT IN PUTTING THAT RIGHT ON THE CITY'S HOME PAGE. AND BY CLICKING THAT LINK, YOU'LL BE LINKED DIRECTLY TO THE COLLIER COUNTY WEBSITE, WHICH IS SHOWN HERE IN THE NEXT SLIDE THAT JUST HAPPENED TO POP UP TO THAT ADD BACK THEN WHEN I DID THIS POWERPOINT, BUT IT WILL ACTUALLY BRING UP EVERY AD THAT IS PUBLISHED AT THAT TIME OR BEING PUBLISHED FOR EVERY MEETING. AND WE DO GET THE AFFIDAVITS OF PUBLICATION FROM THE CLERK OF COURT WITHIN THREE DAYS. [00:15:05] THAT'S BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT. SO THAT IS AN ADVANTAGE TO US IN GETTING THOSE AFFIDAVITS IN MEETING PACKETS FOR NOTICES. AND THERE'S BEFORE I GET TO THE COST SAVINGS, THERE ARE OTHER BENEFITS TO THIS ORDINANCE FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR STAFF, BUT IT. THE WEBSITE, THE COUNTY WEBSITE OFFERS A SUBSCRIPTION TAB SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN SUBSCRIBE AND YOU CAN GET EMAILS DIRECTLY EMAILED TO YOU WITH ANY MEETINGS UPCOMING YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE TO. JUST CITY AND NAPLES. YOU CAN SUBSCRIBE TO ANY OTHER CITY OR ANY OTHER BOARD OR COMMITTEE IN THE COUNTY. IT'S FOR US. IT'S A QUICKER ACCESS TO AFFIDAVITS OF PUBLICATION, AND THERE'S REDUCED STAFF IN PROCESSING NOTICES AND ALSO TRYING TO PAY INVOICES TO THE NAPLES DAILY NEWS. THERE'S A LONGER PUBLICATION PERIOD, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT BECAUSE AT NO CHARGE TO THE CITY, WE CAN ACTUALLY ADVERTISE A MEETING AND IT CAN STAY OUT THERE FOR TEN DAYS AND THERE BE NO COST. WHEREAS IN THE NEWSPAPER WE ADVERTISE IT ONE DAY FOR A PRETTY LARGE COST. SO THEN THE LAST THING THAT IS KIND OF NICE. IS THAT WHEN YOU DO OPEN THE NOTICES, IT'S NOT IN A SMALL PRINT LIKE THE NEWSPAPER. IT'S ACTUALLY IN LARGE 12 FONT PRINT. SO YOU SEE IT LIKE A REGULAR FULL DOCUMENT. AND THEN JUST TO TOUCH ON THIS LAST COST SAVINGS, WE'VE DONE A WENT AROUND THE CITY AND THIS WAS A YEAR AGO WHEN I PUT TOGETHER THIS PRESENTATION. BUT FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD, WE FOUND THAT WE WERE PAYING COSTS OF 170 000 FOR LEGAL ADVERTISING. AND THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE STAFF TIME. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ESTIMATED STAFF TIME TO BE NEARLY 3000 A YEAR. SO WITH THOSE COST SAVINGS AND FOR THE ADDED BENEFITS, THAT'S WHY WE'RE KIND OF PURSUING THIS. AND IT'S NOT LIKE WE DID A QUICK SWITCH OVERNIGHT. WE HAVE BEEN PHASING THIS IN OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. THE CITY OF MARCO AND EVERGLADES CITY ARE SOLELY USING THE COUNTY WEBSITE NOW. AND IT'S IT'S WORKING WELL AND WE HAVE HAD NO CHALLENGES WITH THE SOFTWARE AND WE'RE IT'S WORKING JUST FINE FOR US. SO I DIDN'T KNOW, SINCE I'M NOT THE PLANNER, IF I GO THROUGH EVERY SECTION OF THIS OR THIS IN FRONT OF US, AND I'M JUST GOING TO ASK QUESTIONS OF YOU, I'LL LET THEM ASK THEM AND YOU CAN ANSWER THEM AND WE CAN MOVE ON BECAUSE WE'VE HAD THIS IN OUR PACKET. SO ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANY MEMBER OF THE BOARD? YES. YEAH. WHEN YOU GET ON THE NAPLES WEBSITE, YOU HIT ON THE LEGAL NOTICES. WHERE DOES IT GO? IT GOES DIRECTLY TO THE COUNTY CLERK OF COURTS WEBSITE PAGE WHERE OUR NOTICES ARE POSTED. SO HOW DO I GO FROM THERE TO GET TO US? SO IT GOES TO THIS COLLIER COUNTY THING. BUT THEN HOW DO I GO TO NAPLES? OH, IT GOES DIRECTLY TO NAPLES. WE HAVE THE LINK THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO NAPLES. NOTICES. BUT IF YOU WANTED TO GET ANOTHER NOTICE. THAT'S NOT JUST CITY MANAGER. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S EASY FOR SOMEBODY TO. NAPLES CLICKS ON THIS THING. IF IT GOES TO THE NAPLES LIST OF NOTICES AND STUFF, IT JUST GOES. AND THEN YOU HAVE TO CLICK ON EACH NOTICE. OR DOES YOU SCROLL THROUGH? YES. NO. YOU CAN CLICK ON EACH NOTICE TO CLICK ON EACH KIND OF LIKE SHOWS UP LIKE INDIVIDUALLY WHERE YOU CAN SEE IT ALL AT ONE TIME. OKAY. IT'D BE NICE TO SEE THAT HERE JUST SO YOU CAN SEE THIS, YOU KNOW, ANY OTHER BOARD QUESTIONS? OKAY. YEAH. I'M SORRY. I JUST HAD TWO QUICK AND I THINK ERICA BRUSHED ON IT. THE SO THE APPLICANT NOTICE PROTECTIONS. THEY'RE ALL STILL PROTECTED IN THE CODE. YEAH. SO EVERYTHING IN I BELIEVE IT'S I'M SORRY, I DON'T HAVE MY COMPUTER NOW, BUT. 4645 I BELIEVE IS THE NOTICING REGULATIONS. SO FOR ALL CONDITIONAL USES VARIANCES, DRB, ALL OF THE THE LAND USE PETITIONS, WE WILL STILL SEND THE 30 DAY NOTICE. THE SIGNS WILL BE POSTED ON THE PROPERTY. ALL OF THAT WILL BE THE SAME. AND THEN ALSO IN THE STATUTE FOR, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS, MAP AMENDMENTS AND STUFF HAVE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS, THOSE WILL STILL BE OKAY. AND THEN ON THE, ON THIS WEBSITE WHAT JUST HAPPENED? THERE WE GO. IS THE REGISTRY, IS IT SEARCHABLE LIKE BY PARCEL ADDRESS? THE REGISTRY WILL START TO BE CREATED AS PEOPLE GIVE US THEIR NAMES THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE THE NOTICES MAILED. SO THERE IS NOTHING CURRENT AT THIS MOMENT. OKAY. SO EVENTUALLY, LIKE THE APPLICANTS CAN IDENTIFY LIKE THE OPT IN RECIPIENTS SO [00:20:06] LIKE NEAR THEIR PROJECTS, LIKE IT'S, IT WOULD MAKE IT VERY SIMPLE TO SEE LIKE WHO'S INTERESTED IN YOUR NOTICE? I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO WORK LIKE THAT. OKAY. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH AREAS. IT'LL JUST BE A REGISTRY OF EMAIL ADDRESS OR A REGISTRY OF ADDRESSES, BUT I WILL KNOW WHAT AREAS THEY'RE IN ACTUALLY. OKAY, SO THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK QUESTIONS. I NOTICED THAT IN THE TRIAL PERIOD THAT THE NOTICES WERE ALSO BEING PROVIDED IN, IN NEWSLETTERS, CITY NEWSLETTERS. WILL THAT PRACTICE CONTINUE? WE WILL CONTINUE THAT FOR A WHILE UNTIL WE FULLY TRANSITION. BECAUSE REMEMBER, WE WERE IN A PILOT PROGRAM, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO CUT THAT OFF ONCE WE DO. IF IT DOES GET APPROVED AND IF IT DOES GET APPROVED, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT AUGUST, MAYBE LATE AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER FOR CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL. SO YES, I EXPECT THAT TO CONTINUE THROUGH FOR A WHILE AFTER WE WE ADOPT THAT BECAUSE THAT WILL ACTUALLY THAT WILL TRIGGER IT BEING A NEW THING. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC KNOWS OF THE NEW PROCESS, RIGHT? AND I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE THAT WE CONTINUE THOSE IN THE NEWSLETTERS. YOU KNOW, TO THE EXTENT IT'S, IT'S EASY, FEASIBLE, ETC., JUST TO BELTS AND SUSPENDERS. THE NOTICES AND THEN JUST A, MAYBE A TECHNICAL QUESTION. IS IT POSSIBLE TO TRACK THE CLICKS SO YOU CAN TELL WHO IS LOOKING AT THE, AT THE NOTICES AND REGISTER, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TRAFFIC ON THE NOTICES. WE ARE WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW. CITY COUNCIL HAD ASKED THE SAME QUESTION. THERE IS AN ANALYTIC THAT WE'RE WORKING ON NOW WITH MONIQUE TO GET THE WEBSITE PROVIDER TO IMPLEMENT. AND WE UNDERSTAND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT AND GET THOSE LINKS. WE ARE ALSO WORKING WITH THE CLERK OF COURT TO SEE HOW MANY SUBSCRIPTIONS THEY MAY HAVE ALREADY FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES, AND WE THINK THAT THAT MIGHT BE INFORMATION WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET TO. SO WE ARE WE ARE WORKING ON THAT NOW. GREAT. AND THEN LAST COMMENT. GOOD CATCH ON BRINGING THIS BEFORE THE THE PAB BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD ACTUALLY HAVE BEEN MISSED. AND SO I THINK THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DID A TERRIFIC JOB IDENTIFYING THAT THE LAND USE CODE ASPECT OF THIS NEEDED TO COME TO PAB. SO I THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU CHAIR. YES. MAKE ONE COMMENT ON THE REQUEST FOR THE NEWSLETTER. SO WHEN SOMEONE APPEALS A LAND USE DECISION, YOU APPEAL IT FOR THREE REASONS. DUE PROCESS WASN'T AFFORDED ESSENTIAL REQUIREMENTS OF LAW WASN'T AND THE DECISION WASN'T BASED ON COMPETENT SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE. SO WHEN IT COMES TO THE REQUIRED NOTICE OF THE STATUTE, I CAUTION US TO CREATE ADDITIONAL NOTICE WHICH WOULD ALLOW SOMEONE TO SAY, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT REQUIRED, THE CITY HAS IMPLEMENTED THIS ADDITIONAL NOTICE. THEREFORE, I'M GOING TO SUE YOU ON IT BECAUSE MAYBE YOU FORGOT TO DO IT ONE TIME. SO I DO WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT, LIKE WE SHOULD REALLY STICK WITH THE MINIMUM, NOT THE MINIMUM REQUIRED, BUT THE REQUIRED NOTICE OF THE STATUTE TO NOT CREATE AN EXPECTATION THAT SOMEONE CAN ESSENTIALLY SUE US OVER EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT. UNDERSTOOD. SO I JUST WANTED A GOOD PIECE OF ADVICE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE? I HAVE ONE THING HERE ON THE SCREEN THAT WAS ASKED IF THEY COULD SEE THE NOTICES. AND I, I JUST CLICKED THAT CITY LINK THAT BROUGHT US RIGHT TO THE CLERK OF COURTS PAGE. SO YOU SEE HOW THE THESE ARE ALL THE NOTICES THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW. AND IF YOU JUST CLICKED ON ONE. IT POPS UP AND THEN YOU CAN SEE IT IN LARGE FORMAT. GOOD. I THINK IT'S A GREAT JOB AND A GOOD IDEA AND NICE TO SEE THE MONEY SAVING PIECE AS WELL. SO SO THAT FIRST PAGE IS WHAT YOU WOULD GET IF. YES. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANT TO SEE. VERY EASY TO DO. MAKE SURE IT'S NOT BURIED IN ANOTHER SEARCH YOU GOT TO DO AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE WELCOME. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? MOTION TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AS OUTLINED IN SEVEN. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. CALL THE ROLE. OR I GUESS DO I HAVE TO CALL THE ROLE ON THIS? YEAH. MEMBER. FREDERICKSON. YES. MEMBER. BARONE. YES. ALTERNATE MEMBER. PETERSON. OKAY. LET'S SEE. VICE CHAIR IS NOW FOWLER. RIGHT? OKAY. VICE CHAIR. FOWLER. YES. MEMBER. BLOCKER. YES. MEMBER. CREAS. YES. MEMBER. KAPPLER. YES. CHAIR. [00:25:03] COUGHLIN. YES. SO THANK YOU. GOOD PRESENTATION. AND WE'RE GLAD TO SEE THAT HAPPENING. I JUST REMIND EVERYBODY THAT SEVEN B HAS BEEN CONTINUED TILL SEPTEMBER AND IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA. SO COMMENTS. PEOPLE WITH CONCERNS ABOUT THAT CAN TALK TO US IN SEPTEMBER. YEAH. NEXT REAL QUICK QUESTION. YES. IS IT GOING TO BE RE-ADVERTISED OR DO WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO A DATE? CERTAIN. LET'S MAKE A MOTION JUST IN CASE. OKAY. WE'LL MAKE A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE TO THIS TO OUR SEPTEMBER MEETING DATE. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. THANK YOU. GOOD. GOOD CATCH. NEXT IS ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? ANY. DID YOU SUBMIT A. THERE ARE NO FORMS IN THE BACK, BUT YOU WANT TO. DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK JUST IN GENERAL OR ON THE. YEAH. OKAY. I THINK. I THINK SHE WANTS TO SPEAK ON ITEM NINE A. OKAY. WELL, THEN WE'LL HOLD UP ON YOUR COMMENT TILL THEN, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. WHICH IS NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA ANYWAY? NINE A IS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE ON NAPLES. [9.A) Update on Naples 2045, the elective changes to the City of Naples Comprehensive Plan. ] 245 THE ELECTIVE CHANGES TO THE CITY OF NAPLES COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. ERICA. IT IS THERE'S A I PROVIDE TO YOU THE MEMO JUST THE GENERAL UPDATE EVERY MONTH. THERE'S A SPECIFIC TASK THIS MONTH, HOWEVER IF YOU RECALL, OR IF YOU WERE WATCHING THE CITY COUNCIL DID DISCUSS THIS BOTH ON MAY 20TH AND THEN AGAIN ON THE JUNE 3RD MEETING. AND AT THAT TIME THEY DISCUSSED THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION. YOU WOULDN'T, THE PA HEARD THIS ON THE MAY 13TH MEETING. YOU MADE A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL AND THEN A SECOND MOTION RECOMMENDING THAT THE PLAN BE DEFERRED TO THE NOVEMBER PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD THAT WE TAKE A, TAKE A PAUSE, GIVE THE PUBLIC MORE TIME TO REVIEW THE DRAFT IN HAND, AND THEN THIS WOULD COME BACK TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD IN NOVEMBER. SO CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSED THAT RECOMMENDATION ON JUNE 3RD. THEY DID NOT TAKE ACTION ON FIRST READING, WHICH WAS WHAT WAS BEFORE THEM. RATHER THEY AGREED THEY DELAYED DID PUT A DELAY ON THE PROJECT. HOWEVER, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION AT CITY COUNCIL ABOUT RATHER THAN THE EIGHT MONTH, WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE EIGHT MONTH SCHEDULE, WHICH IS IN YOUR PACKET, WHICH WOULD HAVE THE FIRST HEARING COME BACK TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD IN NOVEMBER. CITY COUNCIL DISCUSSED COULD THAT BE IN SEPTEMBER? THAT FIRST HEARING BE IN SEPTEMBER. SO WHAT IS IN YOUR PACKET TODAY IS YOU HAVE WHAT WE'RE CALLING THE PROPOSED SIX MONTH SCHEDULE AND THE PROPOSED EIGHT MONTH SCHEDULE. THE SIX MONTH SCHEDULE WOULD HAVE IS WHAT CITY COUNCIL TOOK A VOTE ON. AND THAT WOULD HAVE THIS, THE REVIEW OF THE DRAFT COMING BACK TO YOU IN SEPTEMBER. THE EIGHT MONTH SCHEDULE HAS IT COMING BACK TO YOU IN NOVEMBER. YOU WILL SEE IN THAT SCHEDULE THE WAY WE'VE LAID THIS OUT. THROUGH THE DISCUSSION WITH CITY COUNCIL AND THE CONSULTANT IS A NUMBER OF HEARINGS. SO THE FIRST HEARING WOULD BE WE WOULD GIVE, YOU KNOW, THE HAVE OVER THE SUMMER HAVE THE NEXT FEW MONTHS FOR THE PUBLIC TO ABSORB THE PLAN, PREPARE COMMENTS AND THEIR FEEDBACK AND THEN PROVIDE THAT FEEDBACK TO STAFF. AND SO THE FIRST HEARING WOULD BE SCHEDULED BETWEEN IT WOULD BE A FULL PUBLIC HEARING, BUT IT WOULD JUST BE A DISCUSSION ITEM WHEREBY WE WOULD COLLECT ALL OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED FROM THE PUBLIC, PROVIDE THAT TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD FOR YOU TO DISCUSS. SO PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD WOULD THEN BE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ON THE FEEDBACK THAT YOU RECEIVED. SO NOT A FIRST READING HEARING. WE'RE NOT THIS WOULDN'T BE A REVIEW OF THE ORDINANCE. IT WOULD BE A REVIEW OF THE FEEDBACK AND THE PROPOSED CHANGES FROM THE PUBLIC INPUT. THAT RECOMMENDATION WOULD THEN GO TO CITY COUNCIL THE FOLLOWING MONTH, WHERE CITY COUNCIL WOULD REVIEW, AGAIN JUST THE FEEDBACK AND THE PROPOSED CHANGES. THEY WOULD GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF AND TO THE CONSULTANT. THE CONSULTANT WOULD THEN GO BACK, TAKE A MONTH TO REVISE TO INCORPORATE THOSE CHANGES THAT, YOU KNOW, WERE, WERE PUSHED THROUGH THAT PROCESS. INCORPORATE THOSE INTO THE PLAN. THEN IT WOULD COME BACK TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD FOR AN ACTUAL READING OF THE ORDINANCE. AND THEN ON TO CITY COUNCIL FOR THE FIRST READING AGAIN. SO THE TWO SCHEDULES, THE SIX MONTH AND THE EIGHT MONTH. WHAT CITY COUNCIL HAD ASKED. WHEN I WAS BEFORE THEM ON JUNE 3RD WAS TO COME TO YOU WITH THOSE TWO PROPOSED SCHEDULES. THEY WANTED YOU TO OPINE ON THE TWO SCHEDULES AND GIVE ESSENTIALLY AN EXPLANATION IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU PREFER THE EIGHT MONTH, THEY WOULD LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE RATIONALE, A DETAILED RATIONALE FOR WHY THAT WILL HELP THEM MAKE THEIR DECISION. THIS WILL GO BACK TO THEM ON TO CITY COUNCIL ON JUNE 15TH. [00:30:02] SO WE'LL BE ESSENTIALLY PUBLISHED TODAY. JUST SO I'M CLEAR THE EIGHT MONTH WOULD, INSTEAD OF A SEPTEMBER MEETING WOULD START WITH A NOVEMBER MEETING. IS THAT THE PRIMARY DIFFERENCE? THE DIFFERENCE IS, YES. THAT FIRST HEARING WHERE ABE WOULD REVIEW THE THE PROPOSED PROCESS WILL BE THE SAME NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO. BUT. EXACTLY. IT'S JUST THAT SHIFT IN THAT TWO MONTH SHIFT. OKAY. CORRECT. OKAY. SO DISCUSSION ON THE BOARD, I GUESS, DISCUSSION OF THE BOARD. AND I'M NOT PROPOSING OR RECOMMENDING ANYTHING. IT'S JUST DISCUSSION. I'D LIKE TO START WITH CLARIFYING QUESTION. SO THE VISION WITHIN THE PLAN IS OBVIOUSLY CRITICAL. IT SETS THE TONE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE VISION STARTED IN 2007 THAT WE WENT THROUGH SOME SIGNIFICANT WORKSHOPS AND, AND SURVEYS IN 2019. AND THAT THE RESULTS OF THAT SURVEY ACTUALLY WERE A VERY ROSY PERSPECTIVE PRESENTED BY NAPLES RESIDENTS AS IT RELATES TO NAPLES. SO VERY LITTLE CRITIQUE PER SE HEATING ON THE HIGHLIGHTS OF, OF NAPLES. THERE WAS AN ELECTION IN 2020 HEAVILY INFLUENCED BY A PARTICULAR ASSOCIATION SLATE. AND IN 2021, THE COUNCIL ACTUALLY CAME UP WITH THE VISION THAT FOLKS THAT PARTICIPATED IN THAT TIME FRAME. I WAS VERY NEW TO NAPLES AT THAT MOMENT. THE FOLKS THAT PARTICIPATED IN THAT, IN THAT VISION EXERCISE TELL ME THAT WHAT CITY COUNCIL CAME UP WITH WAS RADICALLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE CITIZENS HAD ACTUALLY PROVIDED. SO MY QUESTION IS I BELIEVE WHAT I'M READING IS THAT AS WE WENT THROUGH THIS 2045 UPDATE, WE UTILIZED THAT 2021 VISION AS LIKE THE STARTING POINT, THE FRAMING OF DISCUSSION. AND THAT WE DIDN'T, IN ESSENCE, START FROM SCRATCH AND FROM A RESIDENT'S PERSPECTIVE, GAIN INPUTS AS FAR AS WHERE THE PRIORITIES WERE. AND I GUESS I'M QUESTIONING THAT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF FIVE HURRICANES, YOU KNOW, RADICAL CHANGE IN THE POPULATION OF THE CITY BECAUSE OF COVID. COUNT ME IN THAT CATEGORY. SO WHAT WAS THAT, A PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD DECISION? HOW DID WE WHY DID WE NOT START FROM SCRATCH AS RELATED TO VISION IN THIS, IN THIS EXERCISE? SO A LARGE PART OF THIS, THIS UPDATE WAS VISION VALIDATION. SO THE VERY BEGINNING OF THIS NAPLES 2045 PROCESS WAS, I MEAN, IT'S IT'S CALLED IN THE TASK ORDER, THE VISION VALIDATION. SO ALL OF THE PUBLIC INPUT MEETINGS THAT WE HAD, THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS. THE PURPOSE OF THOSE WAS TO VALIDATE THE VISION THAT WE ALREADY HAD. AND THE VISION THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2021 WAS CREATED AS A RESULT OF THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. THAT WAS A VERY PRIOR TO THIS PROCESS, PROBABLY THE MOST ROBUST PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS WE'D EVER DONE IN THE CITY. SO IT WAS A NUMBER OF PUBLIC HEARINGS. SO TO SAY THAT THE VISION THAT WAS ADOPTED TODAY IS NOT REFLECTIVE OF THE PUBLIC INPUT, I DON'T THINK IS ACCURATE AT ALL. AND THOSE I MEAN, THEY INCLUDED IF YOU LOOK AT THE VISION DOCUMENT THAT'S ON THE WEBSITE, IT'S NOT WHAT WAS ADOPTED INTO THE COMP PLAN. WE DIDN'T ADOPT ALL OF THE DATA, THE SURVEY DATA. BUT THE WEBSITE DOES HAVE THE I THINK IT'S A 200 PAGE DOCUMENT SHOWING ALL OF THE, THE DATA. SO, I MEAN, IT WAS A LONG PROCESS. IT WAS IT WAS, YOU KNOW, A LENGTHY PROCESS OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, GATHERING THE DATA. THERE WAS A SURVEY, THERE WAS A REVISION TO THE SURVEY. THE SURVEY WENT OUT. WE GATHERED ALL OF THAT DATA AND THAT'S WHAT SHAPED THE VISION IN 20. I THINK THE WHAT WE CALL THE 2020 VISION MIGHT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED EARLY 2021. THEN A FEW YEARS LATER, WE ADOPTED THAT VISION INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AGAIN, A PUBLIC PROCESS. IT WAS THROUGH THE PAB, THROUGH CITY COUNCIL. IT WAS VOTED ON BY EVERYONE TO ADOPT THE VISION INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THEN WHEN WE CREATED THE RFP AND THIS PROCESS FOR THE NAPLES 2045 UPDATE, THE FIRST EXERCISE WAS VALIDATING THE VISION. SO THE INPUT THAT WAS INCORPORATED INTO THIS PLAN WAS FIRST DO WE ARE THE, THE, THE, YOU KNOW, ISSUES AND PRINCIPLES IN THE VISION STILL RELEVANT? YOU KNOW, DO WE AGREE WITH THEM FIRST AND FOREMOST? AND THEN HOW DO WE INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? OKAY. AND I KNOW AS A AS A PAB, WE WENT THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION LAST MEETING WHERE THERE'S THERE WAS CRITIQUE AS IT RELATED TO THE PUBLIC PROCESS. AND SO I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT I WAS UNDERSTANDING CLEARLY WE WE DID USE THE PRIOR VISION STATEMENT AS THE FRAMING VEHICLE, YOU KNOW, SURVEY QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED, WHATEVER REFLECTED THAT PRIOR VISION, THE SURVEY QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED FOR THIS ONE. [00:35:07] IT'S NOT THAT THEY REFLECTED THE PRIOR VISION. IT WAS TO VALIDATE, IT WAS TO GO APPEAL TO THE PUBLIC AND SAY, THIS IS THESE WERE THE PRIORITIES AND ISSUES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN 2020. ARE THESE STILL DOES THE PUBLIC STILL FEEL THE SAME WAY? OKAY. AND THAT WAS THE FEEDBACK. OKAY. ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. SO THERE WAS PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IN 2021, AGAIN, IN 2023 AS IT WAS BEING ADOPTED. MICROPHONE. MICROPHONE. YES. SO THERE WAS PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IN 2020, 2021 IN DEVELOPING THE VISION AND DEVELOPING THE VISION. IT WAS VALIDATED AND ADOPTED INTO THE COMP PLAN IN 2023. AND WAS THERE A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT THEN? YEAH. SO IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING, RIGHT? IT'S ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS. AND THEN IT WAS VALIDATED AGAIN THROUGH THIS PROCESS, THROUGH THIS PROCESS. RIGHT. SO CHAIR COUGHLIN, REAL QUICK, BECAUSE I THINK THESE ARE GREAT QUESTIONS, BUT I JUST KIND OF WANT TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC WITH WHAT THE ITEM IS TODAY. COUNCIL MADE A DECISION TO MOVE UP THE TIMELINE TO SEPTEMBER. THE ONLY THING THAT THEY ASKED OF YOU IS TO PROVIDE YOUR REASONING AS TO WHY YOU SUGGESTED NOVEMBER. I JUST CAUTION US TO GET INTO A VERY SUBSTANTIVE DISCUSSION ON THE COMP PLAN ITSELF, BECAUSE IT WASN'T ADVERTISED THAT WAY. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, WHILE I THINK IT'S GREAT FEEDBACK THAT WE KIND OF JUST ENSURE WE GIVE COUNCIL WHAT THEY WANT SO THAT THEY CAN ULTIMATELY MAKE THAT DECISION ON MONDAY. THANK YOU. I AGREE WITH THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AS WELL. SO BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, IF WE DON'T HAVE TO DO A WHOLE LOT, IF WE TAKE THE SEPTEMBER DATE, BECAUSE IT SEEMS THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL'S LEANING TOWARDS, IF WE WANT THE NOVEMBER DATE, WE GOT TO JUSTIFY IT. SO BE SUBJECT SPECIFIC. AND I WOULD JUST FOR THE RECORD SAKE TO BE CLEAN RECORD WE DID RECEIVE. AFTER PUBLICATION OF THIS AGENDA, WE DID RECEIVE TWO EMAILS CORRESPONDENCE RELATED TO THIS. WE RECEIVED ONE LETTER FROM THE COALITION. I BELIEVE JEN IS HERE TO SPEAK ON THAT. WE RECEIVED THAT ON FRIDAY. AND THEN WE DID RECEIVE THE BOARD RECEIVED YESTERDAY AFTERNOON A LETTER FROM THE LAW FIRM ON BEHALF OF MATTHEW CRAIG, ANTHONY SOLOMON AND BARBARA WALKER. SO I WANT TO INCORPORATE THOSE INTO THE RECORD. AND YOU RECEIVED THOSE AS WELL. OKAY. YES. AND I'M GOING TO JUST WORK AROUND THE ROOM AND EVERYBODY GET TWO MINUTES CUT TO THE CHASE. HOW WOULD THIS CITY OR JOHNSON, HOW WOULD STAFFORD JOHNSON SORRY, HOW WOULD STAFFORD JOHNSON ENGINEERING BE ABLE TO CONDUCT THE PUBLIC INPUT AND FEEDBACK BETWEEN NOW AND SEPTEMBER? SO IT'S NOT WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE CONDUCTING. YOU'LL SEE IN THE SCHEDULE THERE'S NOT A PROPOSAL FOR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS. THIS IS TRUE. THE APPEAL THAT WAS MADE TO THE BOARD IS THAT NOW THAT WE HAVE THE DRAFT IN HAND, WE WOULD LIKE TIME TO REVIEW THAT DRAFT AND PROVIDE INPUT SO THAT THE DRAFT IS OUT THERE. WE I'M WORKING WITH THE CONSULTANT TO CREATE THAT A LITTLE MORE FOLLOWABLE VERSION OF THAT DRAFT, BUT THE DRAFT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED. TO BE FAIR, THE DRAFT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED SINCE THE FIRST WEEK OF MAY. THAT DRAFT IS OUT THERE. EVERYONE CAN READ IT. IT'S IT'S IT HAS BEEN UNCHANGED SINCE THE FIRST WEEK OF MAY. BASICALLY, THE FORM OF COMMENT COMING BACK WOULD BE EMAILS WOULD BE FORM OF WRITING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER TO CITY STAFF. WHAT WE'RE ASKING BE HELPFUL IS THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE THEIR INPUT SUGGESTED REVISIONS TO SPECIFIC SUGGESTED REVISIONS, NOT BROAD STATEMENTS. BUT YOU KNOW, WHERE WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS? WHERE ARE THE POLICIES THAT YOU HAVE ISSUES PROVIDE THAT INPUT TO STAFF, AND THAT INPUT WILL THEN BE GATHERED BY STAFF AND PROVIDED TO THE PAB AND COUNCIL FOR REVIEW. OKAY. NEXT QUESTION. WE'RE HERE. YOU'VE ALREADY COMMENTED, SO YOU'RE NOT GOING NEXT. WE'LL GO ALL THE WAY AROUND AND GIVE EVERYBODY ELSE A CHANCE FIRST, BILL. YES. WHEN WAS THE BIG VISION PROJECT DONE WHERE WE HAD A LOT OF QUESTIONS, AND THERE WAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF SURVEYS BEING DONE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WHAT EXACTLY WAS THAT? I THINK THE ORIGIN WAS 2018. IT CARRIED THROUGH 2019 AND 2020 AND WAS ADOPTED IN 2021. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN YOURS, JOE. I MEAN, IS THAT THAT SHOWED A VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT THE COUNCIL WAS HEADED, SHOWED A TOTALLY DIFFERENT DIRECTION, WHICH IS WHY THE COUNCIL SORT OF BASIC CHANGED AND WITH DIFFERENT GROUPS OF PEOPLE. SO IT'S ALMOST TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAN HOW HOW I VIEW IT. AND AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO REMIND US WE'RE NOT HAVING HISTORY LESSONS HERE. WE'RE DECIDING SEPTEMBER, NOVEMBER. DO YOU HAVE A REASON THAT YOU PREFER ONE OVER THE OTHER? THAT'S MY QUESTION. I UNDERSTAND, BUT IT WAS MADE PUBLIC AND IT'S THE ONLY TIME WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT. DON'T MISS AN OPPORTUNITY. ANYWAY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I'D LIKE TO KIND OF DO A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH BECAUSE I THINK THAT JUST BY WAITING THE DATE FOR SEPTEMBER AND MOVING IT TO NOVEMBER, I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO WE'RE NOT GOING TO LEARN ANYTHING. I'D LIKE TO KIND OF KNOW AT THE END OF SEPTEMBER, WHAT ARE WE LEARNING AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO THEN TO MOVE IT TO A SECOND PHASE, [00:40:07] TO THE, TO THE WHATEVER THE NOVEMBER 1ST, BECAUSE I LIKE TO GET SOME INPUT TO KNOW WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? BECAUSE RATHER THAN SORT OF WAITING, LET ME JUST MAKE A. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT PEOPLE WOULD HAVE TO SUBMIT THEIR WRITTEN COMMENTS BY SEPTEMBER. THE STAFF WOULD SUMMARIZE THEM, GIVE THEM TO US, AND WE'D HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, WELL, THESE ARE CHANGES WE THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER. IF WE'VE LEARNED ANYTHING THROUGH THIS PROCESS, IT'S THAT YOU HAVE TO GIVE PEOPLE A DATE AND THEY WILL THEN GIVE YOU THE COMMENTS THE DAY BEFORE. SO WE NEED TO TELL. OH, EXACTLY. WE NEED TO TELL THE PUBLIC WHAT OUR EXPECTATION IS. BECAUSE IF I KNOW HUMAN BEINGS, THEY WILL WAIT UNTIL. AND I GUESS MY POINT IS, LET'S GET SOMETHING FOR SEPTEMBER THAT PEOPLE WANT MORE AT THAT POINT IN TIME. THE DIFFICULTY IS THAT YOU HAVE TO AMEND THE CONTRACT WITH THE CONSULTANT. THE REASON WE HAVE THIS ON THE ON THE AGENDA FOR THE 15TH IS SO THAT COUNCIL WILL MAKE A DECISION, AND THEN WE HAVE TO, ON THE 17TH, COME BACK TO AMEND THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE. THE CONTRACT THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE WITH OUR CONSULTANT WAS UP AT THE END OF DECEMBER OF 2026. SO WE NEED TO KNOW IF WE'RE EXTENDING THIS TO AND WHAT THOSE TASK ORDERS ARE. WHEN YOU HAVE A IT'S NOT A BLANKET CONTRACT. YOU HAVE VERY SPECIFIC TASK ORDERS WITH THOSE CONSULTANT. OKAY, LET'S MOVE AROUND AND THEN MAYBE WE HAVE A CONSENSUS. MAYBE WE DON'T. GREG. YOU'RE NEXT. YES. SO I WATCHED THE JUNE 3RD CITY COUNCIL MEETING LIVE, AND THEN I WENT AND REWATCHED THE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE COMP PLAN YESTERDAY. AND, AND SO IF ANYBODY WANTS TO GO BACK THROUGH IT AT THE JUNE 3RD, 2026 MEETING, STARTING AT TWO HOURS AND 24 MINUTES. THE VICE MAYOR MADE A MOTION, AND THAT MOTION, THE WAY I UNDERSTOOD IT, WAS TO ONE EXTEND THE TIME FOR PUBLIC COMMENTS. TWO COMMENTS ARE DUE AT LEAST ONE WEEK BEFORE THE PABA MEETING IN SEPTEMBER. AND THEN THIRD, THE GOAL FOR THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE TO DISCUSS THE UPDATED PLAN IN OCTOBER. AND, AND THAT WAS PASSED ON A UNANIMOUS SEVEN ZERO VOTE. SUPER IMPORTANT TO ME. DURING THE DISCUSSION, THE AND THEY SAID, I THINK SEPTEMBER 1ST, I WOULD MAKE IT AUGUST 31ST FOR FOR VARIOUS REASONS, COMMENTS COULD BE PROVIDED BY SEPTEMBER 1ST. THAT WOULD GIVE US TIME. WE PUBLISH ONE WEEK AHEAD OF THE MEETING AND I'D SAY AUGUST 31ST, BUT THAT'S A DAY, BUT IT'S A DAY. SO DURING THE DISCUSSION BY CITY COUNCIL, THEY MADE A NUMBER OF POINTS THAT I THOUGHT WERE REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND AND FOR EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND. AND ERIC HAS ALREADY TOUCHED UPON ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT ONES, AND THAT IS THAT. AND THE CITY COUNCIL WAS EMPHATIC ON THIS. THEY SAID THAT THE, THE, THE SUBMISSIONS NEED TO BE DETAILED AND THEY CAN'T BE PLATITUDES. SO IF SOMEBODY HAS A PROBLEM WITH A DEFINITION, THEN SUPPLY A DEFINITION THAT THEY THINK IS ACCEPTABLE. AND FROM FOWLER, I WOULD SAY IF YOU WANT TO SUPPLY A DEFINITION, THEN MAKE SURE IT'S REFLECTED IN FLORIDA LEGISLATION OR IN A CURRENTLY OPERATIVE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FROM ANOTHER CITY THAT'S BEEN PASSED WHERE MOST OF OURS CAME FROM. YEAH, EXACTLY. AND THAT'S EXACTLY HOW WE PREPARED OURS. AND OUR CONSULTANTS PREPARED, PREPARED OURS. I WOULD SAY NO FURTHER EXTENSIONS. AUGUST 31ST. BANG. EVERYBODY GET IT IN. AND NO FURTHER COSTLY MAILINGS, SAID THE CITY MANAGER, BECAUSE THE MAILINGS ARE EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE. WE'VE DONE THE PUBLIC OUTREACH IN AN INCREDIBLY PROFESSIONAL WAY, IN MY OPINION, AND SO WE KNOW MORE EXPENSIVE MAILINGS. AND SO AGAIN, FROM FOWLER, I THINK THE DETAILED COMMENTS WITH RESPECT TO JOE NEED TO EITHER BE CONSISTENT WITH THE VISION STATEMENT OR EXPLAIN WHY THEY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED WHEN THEY'RE NOT, BECAUSE THEN THAT WILL GIVE US AN IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH WHEN WE SEE THESE DETAILED COMMENTS. AND SO I AM SPECIFICALLY AND EMPHATICALLY IN SUPPORT OF THE THE CONCLUSION THAT THE CITY COUNCIL MADE. NOW, ONE LAST THING IS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL, IN PARTICULAR, COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER AND THE CITY. I THINK IT WAS THE CITY MANAGER MADE IT VERY CLEAR THAT THE THE COMMENTS NEED TO BE SPECIFIC, NOT PLATITUDES AND AND SOMETHING THAT WE CAN REALLY WORK WITH. AND, AND THAT'S MY OPINION. SO I. OH, I'M SORRY. AND ONE, ONE LAST THING THEY SPECIFICALLY ASKED US, WHY DID WE CHOOSE NOVEMBER INSTEAD OF INSTEAD OF AN EARLIER DATE? AND HONESTLY, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WE CHOSE THAT DATE BECAUSE WE WANTED TO GIVE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE ADDITIONAL TIME OVER THE SUMMER AS A RESULT OF THE COALITION'S STATEMENTS ABOUT NEEDING ADDITIONAL TIME AND SO FORTH. [00:45:07] AND WE HAVE ANOTHER LETTER FROM THE, FROM THE COALITION, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTING THAT POSITION. BUT THEN I WENT BACK THROUGH THE HISTORY AND JUST AS A HISTORY LESSON WHAT HAPPENED WAS THE FIRST ITERATION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DRAFT CAME OUT IN MARCH. RIGHT. AND SO WE, WE LOOKED AT THAT AND THIS IS EXHIBIT A, JOE WHO IS JUST A, YOU KNOW, JUST A REGULAR CITIZEN, VERY ENGAGED. AND I'LL SAY, BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED SORT OF IN PASSING THAT ONE ASSOCIATION WAS APPARENTLY, IN YOUR OPINION, UNDULY INFLUENTIAL IN DEVELOPING THE VISION STATEMENT. SO JOE IS A FORMER MEMBER OF THE ON A BOARD OF DIRECTORS, BUT HE ON APRIL 6TH GAVE US A 20 PAGE SUGGESTIONS ABOUT WHAT HE THOUGHT THE PLAN SHOULD DO AFTER LOOKING AT THE DRAFTS, HE HAS AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AND THEN SPECIFIC LANGUAGE THAT WE'VE ALL LOOKED AT AND SO PROVIDED TO THE CONSULTANT AND INCORPORATED IN THE DISCUSSION OF THE DRAFT. AND SO TO ME, SO SO IT HAPPENED IN MARCH. WE TALKED ABOUT IT IN APRIL. WE HAVE THE, THE UPDATED PLAN PREPARED IN IS MY TWO MINUTES UP. THE THE AND I DIDN'T SAY THAT. AND SO, SO THE LAST THING I'D SAY IS THAT IS THAT THERE'S BEEN AMPLE, AMPLE OPPORTUNITY. I WENT BACK THROUGH THE COALITION'S LETTERS TO THE CITY COUNCIL, AND I NOTED THAT ON APRIL 13TH THEY REPRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT THEY WERE READY, WILLING AND ABLE TO WEIGH IN ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND SO THEY THEMSELVES HAVE SAID THAT THEY'VE BEEN ENGAGED SINCE AT LEAST AT LEAST APRIL ANYWAY. SO ALL THAT SAID, LET'S DO IT. IN AUGUST 31ST. THAT'S MY VIEW AUGUST 31ST FOR THE WRITTEN COMMENTS. AND OKAY, LET'S LET OTHER PEOPLE COMMENT AND THEN WE'LL GO. ANY COMMENTS? YES, YES, I JUST LOST GREG. IF YOU COULD JUST REPEAT THAT, PLEASE. I'VE GOT MY NOTES. I'M GOING TO BE BRIEF. THIS THE DRAFT WAS PUBLISHED IN MAY. AUGUST IS FOUR MONTHS. THAT, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, IS ADEQUATE TIME TO REVIEW GET COMMENTS IN. I TOO HAVE WRITTEN 31ST OF AUGUST DOWN. SO I WOULD GO 31ST AUGUST, NO EXTENSIONS AND WE'LL SEE IT IN SEPTEMBER AND SOMEONE ELSE CAN HAVE MY TWO MINUTES NEXT. WELL DONE. YEAH, I USED IT UP ALREADY. DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. I JUST KIND OF WANT TO GO THROUGH SOME OF MY THOUGHTS ON THIS. SO LIKE MEMBER FOWLER, I ALSO WATCHED THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, BUT I DID NOT WATCH IT TWICE. SO I CONGRATULATE YOU ON DOING THAT. I'M JUST SLOW. SO THERE SEEM TO BE A LITTLE BIT CONFUSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND YOU KNOW, HOW THIS WHOLE PROCESS HAS EVOLVED. AND I JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON THAT BEFORE I GO INTO MY REASONING. THE COMP PLAN HAS A SPECIFIC PROCESS OF BUILDING, YOU KNOW, EVERY PHASE OF IT UP UNTIL THE DRAFT AND THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WE DID BACK IN THE FALL AND THEN BACK IN FEBRUARY AS WELL. THAT WAS TO BUILD THIS DRAFT. AND THAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, YOU KNOW, WAS WELL ADVERTISED. WE AS A PAB EVEN TRIED TO GET THAT EXTENDED TO GET MORE ENGAGEMENT ON. WE GOT WHAT WE GOT RIGHT THROUGH THE SURVEYS AND THE OPEN HOUSES THAT WE HAD. AND I PERSONALLY DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S GOING TO CHANGE NO MATTER WHAT THAT KIND OF INPUT. IT IS WHAT IT IS. WE'RE GOING TO YOU KNOW, THAT LEVEL OF INPUT IS PROBABLY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET NO MATTER WHEN WE DO THAT. BUT TO ME, THAT'S SEPARATE FROM WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW. NOW WE HAVE A DRAFT THAT HAS ACTUAL LANGUAGE TO LOOK AT, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GETTING MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC TO GIVE US FEEDBACK ON THE DRAFT. AND IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, LIKE WAS BROUGHT UP, I KIND OF PUT THEM ALL TOGETHER IN A FOLDER HERE. I'VE GOT LIKE SIX DIFFERENT YOU KNOW, SUBMISSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD FROM EITHER, YOU KNOW, LAW FIRMS DIFFERENT HOA COALITIONS, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. SO IT'S VARIED UPON ALL OF THE DIFFERENT RESPONSES. AND I THINK THAT NOW THAT WE'RE GETTING THESE RESPONSES AND WE'RE GETTING ACTUAL FEEDBACK AND DESIRE FROM ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT GROUPS THAT THEY WANT TO GIVE THEIR INPUT, THAT WE SHOULD, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD REALLY TRY TO ACTIVELY ENGAGE THAT THIS ISN'T A, THIS IS AN ELECTIVE CHANGE TO THE COMP PLAN. SO WE'RE NOT UNDER ANY TIMELINE. AND A DIFFERENCE OF TWO MONTHS, I DON'T THINK NECESSARILY DOES ANYTHING. THE COST IS THE BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INCREASE THE COST FOR THIS WITH THE JOHNSON ENGINEERING, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO ADD A LITTLE BIT TO THE INITIAL PROPOSAL, BUT I DON'T THINK IT CHANGES WHETHER OR NOT WE DO SEPTEMBER OR NOVEMBER BECAUSE IT LOOKS [00:50:10] LIKE IT'S THE SAME TIME FRAME. IT'S JUST ONE SHIFTED TWO MONTHS LATER THAN THE OTHER. RIGHT. THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE DIFFERENCE. YEAH. IT'S IT'S TAKING THE SAME SCHEDULE. RIGHT. AND SO IF WE GIVE AN EXTRA TWO MONTHS. TO ME, IT'S IT'S NOT EVEN REALLY AN EXTRA TWO MONTHS. IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT. IF WE PUT THIS DATE IN SEPTEMBER. EVERYTHING HAS TO BE SUBMITTED. YOU KNOW WHAT WE SAID BY AUGUST 31ST. YOU KNOW. THAT'S REALLY EVERYONE HAVE TO LIKE KIND OF IF THEY DON'T HAVE ALL OF THEIR STUFF PREPARED ALREADY, THEY'D HAVE TO GET, YOU KNOW, GET ON THAT RIGHT AWAY AND GET TO IT. AND, YOU KNOW, I PREFER TO KIND OF LEAN ON GIVING THE PUBLIC A LITTLE BIT MORE. I MEAN, WE'RE HERE TO YOU KNOW, BE RESIDENT FIRST AND TRY TO FOCUS ON WHAT OUR CITIZENS ARE BRINGING TO US AND, YOU KNOW, GIVING THEM A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA TIME, I DON'T THINK HURTS ANYTHING. THIS IS ESSENTIALLY JUST SHIFTING THE TIMELINE. TWO MONTHS. THAT'S IT. AND I THINK YOU'RE ALSO SAYING IT SHOULD BE NO DIFFERENCE IN COST BECAUSE, RIGHT, BECAUSE YOU'RE WAITING, YOU KNOW, AND IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE BECAUSE I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS FROM ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT GROUPS ON, YOU KNOW, THE INPUT THAT THEY WANT TO PUT TOGETHER. AND SO IF GIVING THEM A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA TIME GIVES THEM THE CHANCE TO COME FORWARD WITH THAT SPECIFIC LANGUAGE, I THINK THAT HELPS ALL OF US IN THE LONG RUN IN IMPLEMENTING WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. WE'RE NOT GOING TO MAKE THE COMP PLAN PERFECT. THERE'S NO WAY TO MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY. SO EVEN EVERYONE SUBMITTING ALL OF THESE YOU KNOW, INPUTS, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME PEOPLE THAT SOME OF IT GETS IMPLEMENTED. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME WHERE IT DOESN'T. THERE'S JUST NO WAY TO CONTROL THAT. AND THAT'S ULTIMATELY UP TO COUNCIL AS WELL. SO I JUST THINK BY GIVING THAT EXTRA TIME, WE'RE JUST ALLOWING FOR, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO RUSH AND NO DIFFERENT COST. YES. CORRECT. AND YOU KNOW, AS WE'VE SAID MULTIPLE TIMES, THIS IS AN, IT'S AN ELECTIVE CHANGE. SO WE'RE NOT UNDER A DEADLINE TO DO THIS. SO THOSE LAST THOUGHTS. YEAH. BASICALLY I ECHO WHAT MY COLLEAGUE JUST JUST MENTIONED. I JUST HAD ONE SUGGESTION. I MEAN, I AGREE WITH, WITH HOLDING THE LINE ON NOVEMBER 1ST TO GIVE EVERYBODY TIME TO THOROUGHLY REVIEW THIS AND AND MAKE SURE WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING THE COMMUNITY FIRST AND DOING WHAT THEY WANT US TO DO. I THINK A GOOD EXERCISE BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN IT IS IF THERE IS A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON OF THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN OVER THE SB 180 COMPLIANCE, THINGS LIKE THAT. IT WOULD BE REAL HELPFUL FOR THE PUBLIC IF THERE WAS A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON OF THE CHANGES IN THE COMP PLAN AND EASY TO READ DOCUMENT THE CHANGES IN THE COMP PLAN, WHAT ARE MORE OR LESS RESTRICTIVE? OR THEY CAN MAKE THEIR OPINION ON THAT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO CONSIDER IN THIS, IS IF THE COMP PLAN DOESN'T MEET SB 180 AND IT'S THROUGH 2027 OF OCTOBER, I BELIEVE YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL WASTING OUR TIME A LITTLE BIT ON SOME OF THIS STUFF. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK NOVEMBER 1ST WAS A GOOD DECISION THAT THAT OUR RECOMMENDATION WE MADE IN THE FIRST PLACE. AND I THINK WE SHOULD HOLD THAT. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. I HAVEN'T COMMENTED, SO I'M GOING TO MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT THE PRIMARY IMPOTENCE WAS FOR DELAY. WHATEVER THE DATE WAS, WAS TO GIVE THE ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT, GIVE US AN EVALUATION IN WRITING CONCERNING THE PLAN, MY HISTORY OF DEALING WITH PUBLIC ENTITIES, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE MOST EXTENSIVE OF ANYBODY SITTING HERE IS WHATEVER YOUR DEADLINE, THEY'RE GOING TO TRY TO MOVE IT ANYWAY. SO PEOPLE, WE'VE GOT TO DO A DEADLINE AND IT'S GOT TO BE PRETTY FIXED. I HEAR THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL EXPENSE BY ADDING TWO MONTHS. I HAVE NEVER SEEN A CONTRACT TO GET TWO MORE MONTHS ON IT THAT DIDN'T GO UP IN PRICE. SO I JUST FROM AN EXPERIENCE POINT OF VIEW, THINK THAT'S NOT A THAT'S NOT GOING TO PROVE CORRECT. LET ME PUT IT THAT WAY. SO I THINK EVERYBODY'S HAD A CHANCE. IF SOMEBODY HAS DYING TO SAY ONE MORE THING, I ASKED FOR A CLARIFICATION. I DIDN'T GET TO COMMENT ON THIS SECTION. SO I DO WANT TO COMMENT. YEAH. READY? I'M WAITING. OKAY. CLOCK'S GOING. SO I'LL, I'LL REMIND THE OUR COLLEAGUES THAT THE LETTER THAT CAME IN FROM THE COALITION IN MARCH TO THE PAB WAS SPECIFICALLY ASKING FOR TIME WITH STAFF TO BETTER UNDERSTAND, TO LUKE'S POINT, WHAT ARE THE CHANGES THAT ARE TAKING PLACE? WHAT ARE THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THOSE CHANGES? THEY'RE STILL ASKING FOR THAT. [00:55:01] AND THAT THAT WAS THAT WAS CERTAINLY PART OF OUR COMMENTARY WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THINGS IN OUR MAY MEETING. IT MAY NOT HAVE BEEN SPECIFIC IN A RESOLUTION, WHICH IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED AT THIS POINT. WE DON'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO SPEND ANY MONEY IN THIS CITY. THAT'S SOLELY A QUESTION. NO NO NO. YEAH. SO WHAT WE DISCUSSED STAFF TIME WORKING WITH SOMEBODY IS TOTALLY UP TO CITY COUNCIL. THAT'S RIGHT. BUT WHAT WE DISCUSSED IS ASKING THE CITY COUNCIL TO DIRECT STAFF TO ENGAGE WITH THE COALITION, TO GIVE THEM THE THE BACKGROUND. YOU DON'T RECALL THAT? OH, NO. NO, THEY DIDN'T ASK THE CITY MANAGER TO INSTRUCT THEM. THEY JUST SAID NO, NO, NO. SO IT DIDN'T OCCUR AT COUNCIL. BUT IT WAS BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE WERE VERY CLEAR AS FAR AS WHAT OUR DISCUSSION HAD BEEN. OKAY. AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE TAKING THE SUMMER OFF. COUNCIL'S TAKING THE SUMMER OFF. BUT THERE'S AN EXPECTATION THAT SOMEHOW THESE THESE HOES ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO RALLY EVERYBODY AS THEY'RE ALL OVER THE WORLD TRAVELING TO GET INPUTS. IT'S JUST, IT'S IT'S NOT A RESIDENT FIRST VANTAGE POINT. THE OTHER THING I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY IS THE DRAFT PLAN ADVOCATES FOR NEIGHBORHOOD ENGAGEMENT AND PLANNING. IT'S IN FLU. SEVEN PAGE FLU 30. OKAY. YET WE DIDN'T USE THAT PROCESS TO CREATE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE DRAFT PLAN ADVOCATES FOR COALITION WITH COLLIER COUNTY. IT'S ON PAGE RR1. YET WE DIDN'T COLLABORATE WITH COLLIER COUNTY ON THIS DRAFT PLAN. THE DRAFT PLAN ADVOCATES FOR FPL UTILITIES, ISPS, MOBILE PHONE COMPANIES IMPACT ON RESILIENCY AND THAT. AND WE DIDN'T ENGAGE WITH ANY OF THE SERVICE PROVIDERS THROUGH THIS PROCESS. THE DRAFT PLAN ADVOCATES FOR A FEW CONTROVERSIAL PROJECTS AS A BASIS FOR GAINING INSIGHTS, WHICH WE DIDN'T REVIEW ANY CONTROVERSIAL PROJECTS TO GAIN INSIGHTS. THAT'S NFLU6 2.2.1. OKAY, FLU PAGE 25. SO I THINK I THINK THIS GROUP HAS OTHER WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BEFORE WE CAN GET TO THE POINT OF AUTHORIZING TRANSMIT OR REFERRING TRANSMIT. I BELIEVE WE SHOULD USE OUR SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER MEETINGS TO ACTUALLY ENGAGE WITH THE PARTIES. WE'RE GOING TO LET THE NEIGHBORHOOD PART PLAY OUT, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD BE SPECIFICALLY ASKING THE COUNCIL TO DIRECT STAFF TO ENGAGE WITH THEM AS THEY HAVE REQUESTED THEIR RESIDENTS, THEIR THEIR REQUESTING TIME WITH CITY STAFF. SO THAT SHOULD BE PART OF OUR RESOLUTION. AND LET'S JUST SHOW RESPECT FOR THE RESIDENTS OF OUR COMMUNITY BY GIVING TIME WHEN THEY'RE BACK IN NAPLES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IF I COULD FOR UNLESS I'M MISTAKEN, THAT WAS DISCUSSED AND COUNCIL SAID NO. COUNCIL SAID ALL MEETINGS WILL HAPPEN IN PUBLIC. SO I THINK THAT THAT QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED ON JUNE 3RD. OKAY. AND SINCE YOU'VE NOTED IT. LET ME ALSO SAY THAT COUNCIL WAS IN THE JUNE 3RD MEETING. THAT WAS WHEN THEY WERE GOING TO BE VOTING TO TRANSMIT. OKAY. THEY WERE ALSO GIVEN AN OFFER BY THE CITY MANAGER FOR ANY OF THEM WHO WANTED TO SIT DOWN AND ACTUALLY WITH STAFF TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEY WERE GOING TO VOTE ON IT, BUT YET THEY'RE BEING ASKED IF THEY WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. UNANIMOUSLY, THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WANT TIME DURING THE SUMMER TO MEET WITH STAFF. LET'S GIVE OUR RESIDENTS THE SAME COURTESY. WELL, I GUESS THE QUESTION TO US IS 60 IS A 60 DAY. ARE WE DOING THIS IN SEPTEMBER OR DOING IT IN NOVEMBER? I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCIL HAS DIRECTED US TO, TO HAVE A MOTION ON AND THEN PROVIDE AN EXPLANATION. AND THEN IF YOU'RE GOING TO IF YOU'RE GOING TO PICK NOVEMBER, PROVIDE AN EXPLANATION, WHICH I THINK PEOPLE HAVE MADE VALID ARGUMENTS HERE. I'M NOT MAKING LIGHT OF THEM. TO SEE. SO I'M GOING TO ASK IF, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A MOTION MADE, WE'RE GOING TO VOTE ON IT. IF IT PASSES, IT PASSES. IF IT DOESN'T PASS, THEN WE'LL TAKE THE SECOND MOTION. SO I DON'T CARE WHICH ORDER WE TAKE IT IN, BUT I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO GO FOR THE SIX MONTH EXTENSION. SECOND, AND THAT WOULD BE A SEPTEMBER DATE, RIGHT? THAT'S THE SEPTEMBER DATE. YES. OKAY. ANY, I MAKE A SECOND MOTION? NO. YOU GOT TO VOTE ON THE FIRST MOTION PROCEDURALLY. IF IT FAILS, THEN WE'LL GO ON TO THE NEXT MOTION. OKAY. OKAY. YOU WANT A PUBLIC COMMENT? PARDON? BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE, WE DID HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. OH I'M SORRY. YOU'RE RIGHT. PROCEDURALLY, THERE'S A MOTION OUT THERE, BUT WE TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT. I JUST DIDN'T HAVE A STICKER IN FRONT OF ME. SO THERE'S TWO OF YOU, I THINK. NO, JUST ONE PERSON WANTS TO COMMENT. I FORGOT. WE'LL WE'LL HEAR WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. PLEASE COME FORWARD. I APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU. NO. THAT'S OKAY. AND MOST OF YOU PROBABLY HAVE ALREADY READ OUR LETTER, BUT I DO JUST WANT TO READ IT INTO THE RECORD JUST FOR PROCESS. INTRODUCE YOURSELF PLEASE. MY NAME IS JENNA HEIDEMANN. [01:00:03] I'M HERE WITH THE PORT ROYAL PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION. WELL, ACTUALLY, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE HOA COALITION, BUT I WORK FOR THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION OF PORT ROYAL. MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. ON BEHALF OF THE HOA COALITION, WE RESPECTFULLY URGE THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD TO MAINTAIN ITS ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION TO EXTEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS THROUGH NOVEMBER. WE GREATLY APPRECIATE WE GREATLY APPRECIATED THE BOARD'S THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSION AT ITS MAY MEETING AND ITS RECOGNITION THAT A DOCUMENT OF THIS SIGNIFICANCE WARRANTS SUFFICIENT TIME FOR CAREFUL REVIEW, PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, AND MEANINGFUL STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT. WE BELIEVE THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION REFLECTED A PRUDENT APPROACH TO A PROCESS THAT WILL HELP SHAPE THE FUTURE OF NAPLES FOR DECADES TO COME. NOW THAT THE DRAFT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED, THE COALITION COALITION HAS ESTABLISHED A FRAMEWORK TO CONDUCT A COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF THE DRAFT PLAN. OUR. OUR INTENT IS TO EVALUATE THE DOCUMENT, GATHER INPUT FROM OUR RESPECTIVE MEMBER ASSOCIATIONS, AND DEVELOP CONSTRUCTIVE RECOMMENDATIONS ON SPECIFIC POLICIES AND LANGUAGE. THIS EFFORT REQUIRES COORDINATION AMONGST NUMEROUS COMMUNITIES REPRESENTING A SUBSTANTIAL PORTION OF THE CITY'S RESIDENTS. A COMPRESSED TIMELINE, CULMINATING IN EARLY SEPTEMBER, WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY LIMIT MEANINGFUL ENGAGEMENT. GIVEN THE SEASONAL NATURE OF NAPLES AND THE ABSENCE OF MANY RESIDENTS DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS. A SHORTENED REVIEW PERIOD WOULD REDUCE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PARTICIPATION AND DIMINISH THE VALUE OF PUBLIC INPUT. EXTENDING THE PROCESS THROUGH NOVEMBER WOULD ALLOW THE COALITION TO REVIEW THE DRAFT IN DETAIL, GATHER FEEDBACK FROM EACH OF OUR ASSOCIATIONS, AND DEVELOP INFORMED RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WILL STRENGTHEN THE FINAL PLAN. THE COALITION HAS APPOINTED DAVID FEIT, WHO WAS THE PREVIOUS PRESIDENT OF GSAC, AND HE WAS ALSO A PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD CHAIR TO LEAD OUR EFFORTS. HE PLAYED AN INSTRUMENTAL ROLE IN THE CITY'S PREVIOUS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE AND BRINGS VALUABLE, INVALUABLE EXPERIENCE AND PERSPECTIVE TO THIS PROCESS. UNDER HIS LEADERSHIP, WE ARE COMMITTED TO PROVIDING THOUGHTFUL, SUBSTANTIVE, SUBSTANTIVE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WILL ASSIST THE BOARD, CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF IN REFINING THE FINAL DOCUMENT. AS ALWAYS, THE COALITION STANDS READY TO WORK COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND STAFF TO HELP ENSURE THAT THE COMP PLAN REFLECTS THE NEEDS, PRIORITIES AND ASPIRATIONS OF THE NAPLES COMMUNITY. WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT THE BOARD REAFFIRM, REAFFIRM ITS ORIGINAL RECOMMENDATION AND PRESERVE THE NOVEMBER TIMELINE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AND STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT. THANK YOU SO MUCH. RESPECTFULLY, THE COALITION THAT INCLUDES AQUALINE SHORES, COQUINA SANDS, GULF SHORE ASSOCIATION OF CONDOMINIUMS, THE MOORINGS, PARK SHORE, PORT ROYAL, ROYAL HARBOR AND SUN TERRACE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. MAY I ASK ONE QUESTION? ARE YOU ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY SURVEYS THAT ANY OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE DONE OF THEIR MEMBERS TO FIND OUT WHAT THEIR VIEWS ARE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS? I BELIEVE THERE HAS BEEN ENGAGEMENT FROM SOME OF OUR HOAS TO THEIR RESPECTIVE ASSOCIATIONS. YES. ARE THERE ANY WRITTEN RESULTS THAT WE CAN SEE? BECAUSE I CAN I CAN FIND OUT TO US. WE CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE THAT IF THAT DID IN FACT HAPPEN. YES. SURE. YEAH. OH YEAH. YEAH. I'M SORRY TO, TO US. YEAH. BUT BUT YEAH, THAT'D BE REALLY HELPFUL TO SEE WHAT, WHAT YOU'VE DONE, YOU KNOW, TO DATE, THE ORGANIZATIONS HAVE DONE TO DATE TO FIND OUT WHAT THEIR MEMBERS FEEL ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE VISION STATEMENT AND SO FORTH. YEAH. AND I THINK THAT IMPORTANTLY, THE DRAFT IS NOW AVAILABLE. SO WE HAVE TO REALLY DISSECT THAT. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE GOING BACK TO OUR EACH OF OUR COMMUNITIES WITH ASKING FOR INPUT ON. SO I THINK WE'LL GET A LOT MORE INFORMATION NOW. DO YOU I MEAN, THIS PROCESS, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR WHAT, ALMOST TWO YEARS NOW, A YEAR AND A HALF. WHY HAVEN'T YOU DONE IT UNTIL NOW? WELL, THE DRAFT HAD JUST BECOME AVAILABLE IN MAY, SO WE HADN'T REALLY HAD ANYTHING TO WORK WITH UNTIL MAY. WE HAVE BEEN EMAILING OUR ASSOCIATIONS FOR PUBLIC PARTICIPATION TO COME TO THE FORUMS AND THE SESSIONS, WHICH MANY OF US HAD COME TO HAVE GONE TO. I WENT, I WENT AND YOU KNOW NOW THAT WE HAVE A DRAFT, WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT IT CLOSELY LINE BY LINE. AND THAT IS KIND OF WHAT OUR OUR GOAL IS FOR THIS SUMMER. GOOD. WELL, IF YOU DO RECEIVE A SURVEY, YOU KNOW, RESULTS TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE, WE'D LOVE TO HAVE YOU PROVIDE THEM TO ERICA, OF COURSE, FOR OUR REVIEW. I'D APPRECIATE THAT. OF COURSE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YES. CLARIFICATION. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS FOR STAFF OR FOR JENNA, BUT BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2025 THE CONSULTING TEAM MET WITH THE, THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL AND I GUESS MICROPHONE. SORRY, I KEEP FORGETTING TO DO THIS. OKAY. BACK IN SEPTEMBER 2025, CONSULTING TEAM MET WITH THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL, WHICH I ASSUME IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME MEMBERS OF THE HOA COALITION WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ONA BECAUSE ONA IS NOT AN HOA. BUT I THINK THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF OVERLAP IN THE HOSE. JENNA JUST REFERRED TO AND WHO'S REPRESENTED ON THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL. [01:05:02] SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS THE PRESIDENT OR MAYBE IT'S A POINT THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL WAS GIVEN A HEADS UP AS BACK IN SEPTEMBER AS TO WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THAT MEETING WAS. I DON'T THINK IT WAS TO GET FEEDBACK YET BECAUSE IT WAS SO EARLY IN THE PROCESS. BUT WAS IT TO GIVE THEM A HEADS UP THAT THESE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS ARE GOING TO BE HAPPENING, AND NOW IS YOUR CHANCE TO GET THE WORD OUT? YES. WE'VE MET. WE I MEAN, CITY STAFF AND THE JOHNSON ENGINEERING AND CONSULTING TEAM HAVE MET. I THINK WE'VE BEEN TO PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL A COUPLE OF TIMES. DEFINITELY TWO, MAYBE THREE TIMES. JUST INFORMATIONAL. SO IT'S NOT A FEEDBACK. IT'S NOT A, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T GIVE US DIRECTION OR FEEDBACK, BUT IT'S JUST THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENING. AND SO WE DID IN THE VERY BEGINNING, THE KICKOFF OF THIS PROCESS, WE MET WITH PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL TO LAY OUT THE LONG SCHEDULE. AND THEN I BELIEVE WE WERE AT PRESIDENTS COUNCIL PRIOR TO THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS THAT WE HAD JUST TO, YOU KNOW, THIS THESE ARE THE MEETING DATES. PLEASE PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION TO YOUR HOA. AND I KNOW A NUMBER OF WAYS BECAUSE WE WERE, WE RECEIVED DID SEND OUT NEWSLETTERS OR EMAIL BLASTS TO THEIR ASSOCIATION MEMBERS. I BELIEVE PORT ROYAL WAS ONE I KNOW GSAC DID BECAUSE THEY PROVIDED THEM TO US ENCOURAGING THEIR MEMBERS TO ATTEND THOSE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS. SO I THINK THERE WAS A LOT OF PARTICIPATION FROM A NUMBER OF THE HOA, NOT JUST THE COALITION HOA, BUT A NUMBER OF THEM THAT DID, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THAT PRESIDENTS COUNCIL KIND OF PIPELINE REACH OUT TO THEIR MEMBERS. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE TABLE. ONE MORE COMMENT. BRIEF, VERY BRIEF. I THINK WHEN IT COMES TO SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT, WHY NOT ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION FOR OUR COMMUNITY? WHAT'S TWO MONTHS, TWO EXTRA MONTHS TO SHOW OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE'RE LISTENING? WE'RE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO REVIEW THIS PLAN AND MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THE BEST FOR EVERYONE INVOLVED. AND I THINK THAT'S THAT'S IMPORTANT TO CONSIDER. REAL QUICK, JUST TO PIGGYBACK ON TOP OF THAT IS WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ON A TIMELINE OF SUBMITTAL AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING. SO NO ONE WAS AWARE THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THIS SHIFT IN WE WOULD LIKE TO EXTEND THIS. THAT OPPORTUNITY WAS NOT KNOWN UNTIL WE DECIDED THAT AT OUR LAST MEETING. SO IT'S NOT LIKE EVERYONE'S JUST BEEN SITTING ON THEIR HANDS KNOWING, OKAY, WELL, WE'LL GET MORE EXTRA TIME. THEY JUST FOUND OUT THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET MORE EXTRA TIME. SO AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO I AGAIN WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION. AND AS A REMINDER, THE COALITION HAS CONSISTENTLY BEEN ASKING FOR TIME WITH STAFF TO UNDERSTAND THE PLAN. OKAY. WELL, WE DO HAVE A MOTION, SO WE CAN'T MEET. AND THAT'S WHAT COUNCIL DISCUSSED. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY STAFF IS AVAILABLE. WE DON'T TAKE THE SUMMER OFF. WE'RE HERE ALL SUMMER. STAFF IS AVAILABLE TO MEET. WE WILL DISCUSS THIS INDIVIDUALLY WITH RESIDENTS, BUT WE CAN'T PROVIDE. WHEN THE CITY MANAGER SAID THAT ALL, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC INTERACTION WILL HAPPEN IN THE PUBLIC IN A HEARING, IT'S BECAUSE I CAN'T MEET AND PROVIDE CERTAIN INFORMATION TO ONE HOA THAT IS THEN NOT PROVIDED TO ALL THE DIFFERENT. THIS IS THERE'S A DUE PROCESS HERE. WE HAVE TO BE EQUAL, FAIR AND EQUITABLE TO ALL THE DIFFERENT HOAS. ALSO, THE REQUEST FROM THE HOA COALITION WAS NOT JUST TO SIT AND DISCUSS THE PLAN. IT WAS ALMOST A DIRECTIVE TO PROVIDE, TO CREATE AND PROVIDE A VOLUMINOUS AMOUNT OF DOCUMENTATION AND INFORMATION. AND SO THAT'S THE KIND OF STUFF THAT HAS TO BE DIRECTED BY THE CITY MANAGER THROUGH THE CITY COUNCIL. SO IF IT JUST IS, I'D LIKE TO COME IN AND SIT DOWN AND I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON THIS ELEMENT. CAN WE DISCUSS THIS? ABSOLUTELY. AND I WOULD DO THAT WITH ANY RESIDENT OF THE CITY. BUT IF IT IS A REQUEST FOR A FORMAL PRESENTATION AND AND KIND OF HEARING PROCESS, WE CAN'T DO THAT. IT HAS TO BE DONE IN THE SUNSHINE. AND SO IT'S NOT NO ONE'S JUST DIGGING IN THEIR HEELS TO, TO RESIST ON PRINCIPLE. IT'S JUST THIS IS A THERE'S A PROCESS HERE AND IT ALL HAS TO BE DONE IN THE PUBLIC. OKAY. I KNOW WE'RE BEATING A DEAD HORSE, GUYS. WE WE'RE EITHER GOING TO PASS THIS. AND THE MOTION IS FOR HOLD TO HOLD THE SEPTEMBER DATE AS SUGGESTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. AND IF THAT MOTION FAILS, THEN WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A MOTION TO GO TO THE NOVEMBER DATE WITH SPECIFIC REASONS. I THINK THERE'S BEEN GOOD EXPLANATION OF WHY PEOPLE THINK IT SHOULD BE EXTENDED. AND IF WE COULD JUST LIST THOSE ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR AND THE CITY COUNCIL CAN DECIDE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO CALL THE ROLL ON WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA. I HAD MENTIONED OTHER INTERACTIONS THAT I THOUGHT WE SHOULD HAVE THAT COULD PRECEDE. AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING LATER IN THE, IN THE MEETING HERE ABOUT GREG'S SUGGESTIONS. YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY MY SUGGESTION AS FAR AS WHAT WE MIGHT DO IN SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER IS A PAB IS EXACTLY WHAT GREG'S ADVOCATING FOR LATER IN THE MEETING. OKAY. WELL THANK YOU. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. CAN YOU REPEAT THE MOTION MAKER AND THE SECONDER? CREASE. AND THEN FOWLER HAD THE SECOND. AND THAT'S FOR APPROVAL OF THE SIX MONTH SCHEDULE. OKAY. MEMBER. BARONE. NO. MEMBER. FREDERICKSON. NO. MEMBER KAPPLER. NO. VICE CHAIR. FOWLER. YES. [01:10:07] MEMBER. BLOCKER. NO. MEMBER. CREASE. YES. CHAIR. COUGHLIN. YES. BUT THAT MOTION FAILS. AND SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND THAT IT BE EXTENDED TO THE NOVEMBER DATE WITH LET ME TRY TO SUMMARIZE WHAT I'VE HEARD. AND THERE'S NO EGO ATTACHED TO, SO PLEASE CORRECT IT, BUT I'M TRYING TO KEEP IT SHORT. ONE THAT THE PRIMARY, THE ONE THAT THE MANY OF THE RESIDENTS WHO WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN ASSOCIATIONS. THESE ARE THE RESIDENTS OR THE MEMBERS OF THAT ASSOCIATION ARE GONE DURING THE SUMMER. OKAY. TWO THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T GET THE COMPLETED DRAFT UNTIL MAY. IS THAT THE CORRECT DATE? AND THEREFORE IT WAS PUSHING AGAINST THE SUMMER MONTHS AND PEOPLE HAVE NOT HAD THE TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT THAT THEY MIGHT NEED. NUMBER THREE, THE ASSOCIATIONS THEMSELVES WANT TO TALK TO THEIR MEMBERSHIP AND THEIR MEMBERSHIP JUST SIMPLY RELATES BACK TO ONE IS NOT HERE. IS THERE ANY OTHER REASON SOMEBODY ELSE WANTS TO ADD? I WOULD JUST LIKE TO. OH. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN HAPPEN OR IF IT'S FEASIBLE OR VOLUMINOUS, BUT A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON OF, OF WHAT'S CHANGING LIKE AN EASY DOCUMENT THAT MAKES IT EASY FOR THE COMMUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THIS IS WHAT'S IN THE COMP PLAN. THIS IS WHAT DIDN'T WE GET A RED LINE. YEAH. WE GOT. YEAH. THEY JUST GOT AN UNDERLYING. THEY JUST HAVE TO LOOK, DO THE WORK. I'M SORRY. AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU HAVE TO DO THE WORK. YEAH. OKAY. BUT IT'S COMPLICATED AND THINGS HAVE MOVED AROUND, SO IT'S JUST DO THE DAMN WORK. I THINK THE FOURTH RATIONALE IS SOMETHING THAT ERICA JUST DESCRIBED VERY ELOQUENTLY ABOUT THE NEED TO MEET WITH ANY HOA HAS TO BE DONE. THANK YOU. I THINK THE FOURTH RATIONALE IS WHAT ERICA JUST VERY ELOQUENTLY DESCRIBED WAS THE NEED TO MEET WITH ANY HOA OR GROUP. FORMERLY. IT HAS TO BE DONE IN THE SUNSHINE, AND I DON'T THINK THAT CAN BE DONE EFFECTIVELY DURING THE SUMMER. OKAY. SO WITH THOSE CONDITIONS, FOURTH DO I WITH THOSE FOUR CONDITIONS, I HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE TO THE NOVEMBER DATE SCHEDULE. YES. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. GOT TO BE. CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE. MEMBER. KAPPLER. YES. VICE CHAIR. FOWLER. NO. MEMBER. BARONE. YES. MEMBER. BLOCHER. YES. MEMBER. FREDERICKSON. YES. MEMBER. KREIS. NO. CHAIR. COUGHLIN. YES. OKAY. GOOD WORK FOLKS. I THINK EVERYBODY MADE SOME POINTS, AND WE STAYED CIVIL DURING THE PROCESS. THAT'S ALWAYS A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. IS THERE IS THERE INTEREST IN GOING AHEAD AND UTILIZING OUR SEPTEMBER AND OCTOBER MEETINGS TO GAIN. LET'S GET THAT BE THE END OF THE AGENDA. OKAY. I MEAN, THAT'S SORT OF MIXED IN A LITTLE BIT WITH FOWLER. SO NOT ONLY THAT, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT YOU MADE A RECOMMENDATION, BUT COUNCIL STILL MAY DECIDE TO DO SEPTEMBER. WE WE CLEARLY UNDERSTAND WHO'S IN CHARGE JUST IN CASE, BECAUSE THOSE SEPTEMBER MEETINGS MAY BE WHAT THEY ARE MONDAY. THIS WILL GO TO. AND JUST FOR THE PUBLIC, THIS WILL GO BE DISCUSSED BY CITY COUNCIL ON THE JUNE 15TH MEETING. ALSO, MAKE SURE THE DATES ARE IMPORTANT FOR WHEN. SO LIKE YOU MENTIONED, IF THEY DO THE SEPTEMBER THING, ALL FEEDBACK HAS TO COME IN BY AUGUST 31ST. IF WE'RE DOING NOVEMBER, IT'S GOT TO BE IN BY WHATEVER. SO BECAUSE THAT'S THE IMPORTANT THING IS WHEN DOES THE STUFF DO BY ALL THE COUNCIL. I MEAN, I WOULD REMIND ANYONE, IF YOU WANT SOMETHING TO BE PUBLISHED WITH AN AGENDA ITEM AND PART OF THAT RECORD FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, WE PUBLISH AGENDAS ONE WEEK PRIOR TO THE MEETING. SO IF YOU DON'T HAVE SOMETHING IN SOONER THAN THAT, IT WILL COME IN VIA EMAIL. WE'LL TALK ABOUT IT AT THE MEETING. BUT ALWAYS, ALWAYS STRESS. IF YOU WANT TO GIVE PEOPLE TIME TO ABSORB, DIGEST AND MAKE IT MEANINGFUL, PLEASE GET STUFF IN AHEAD OF TIME. OKAY. MATT, CAN CAN YOU CLARIFY THE INTERACTION ASPECT HERE? IT'S LIKE JENNA NOTED THAT THE COALITION HAS DEIFIED AS THEIR CHAIR. WHAT AT WHAT POINT DOES INTERACTION BECOMES SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE SUNSHINE, YOU KNOW? CAN DAVE HAVE MEETINGS WITH ERICA TO GET CLARIFICATIONS? DAVE CAN. THE COALITION IS NOT A PUBLIC BOARD. YEAH, DAVE CAN CALL. AND I TALKED TO DAVE FIGHT ALL THE TIME. IF HE WANTS TO CALL AND HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH ME, THAT'S FINE. BUT WHAT WE CAN'T DO IS A. IT CAN'T BE. DAVE, FIGHT ON BEHALF OF THE COALITION AND BRING ALL OF THE COALITION WITH HIM AND REQUEST THAT I PROVIDE A SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON. [01:15:03] IT CAN BE A ONE ON ONE MEETING. IT CAN'T BE A GROUP DISCUSSION. I'M ASKING MATT FOR CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I THINK YOU JUST SAID THAT THE COALITION COULD MEET WITH ERICA. THE COALITION DOES NOT HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE SUNSHINE LAW BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT A PUBLIC BOARD. SO, I MEAN, WHEN IT SAYS TO WHAT THE LIMITATIONS ARE AND CAN MORE THAN ONE PERSON BE IN THE MEETING? I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING ILLEGAL ABOUT THAT. NOW, IF MORE THAN ONE OF YOU ARE AT THE COALITION MEETING, I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO NOTICE IT. I THINK ONE THING I NEED TO STRESS, AND THAT'S WHAT MR. FOWLER SAID IN THE BEGINNING. WE WANT WRITTEN COMMENTS WITH EDITORIAL SUGGESTIONS IN THEM AND NOT MORE. I DON'T LIKE THE PLAN, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHY. AFFIRMED. I ABSOLUTELY AGREE. ALL WE'RE ALL WE'RE ARGUING FOR OR, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO MAKE A CASE. SO WE SO WE PASS THE AGENDA. YEAH. LET'S. UNLESS SOMETHING'S GOING ON, I KNOW THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION WE WANT TO HAVE AT THE END UNDER COMMENTS, BUT LET'S MOVE ON AND SEE IF WE CAN MOVE. WHEN DO WE HAVE TO TAKE A BREAK? I NEED TO ASK YOU GUYS THAT IT'S NOW 1030. TEN MINUTES. WELL LET'S SEE. 1030 WE USUALLY DO TWO HOUR. LET'S GET THE TRAFFIC STUDY. AND IF WE CAN TRAFFIC STUDY. ERICA. YES. ITEM THAT WE HAVE AS AN UPDATE FOR YOU ON EVERY MEETING IS AN UPDATE [10.A) Receive Update by Johnson Engineering, City’s Engineering Consultant, on the Traffic Study Policy Changes and Provide Feedback. ] ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY, THE CITYWIDE TRAFFIC STUDY. BUT TODAY WE HAVE A SPECIAL TREAT FOR YOU. BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION. SO ALLISON IS HERE FROM STREETS AND STORMWATER AND SHE'LL INTRODUCE IT. AND WE DO HAVE JOSH FROM JOHNSON ENGINEERING TO PRESENT SO FAR WHERE WE'RE AT. ALL RIGHT. GREAT. THANK YOU FOR COMING. GOOD MORNING. PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. WE ARE HERE TODAY TO PROVIDE A COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE ON THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY POLICIES, THE DRAFT POLICY, THE DRAFT DOCUMENTS WERE ORIGINALLY PROVIDED AT THE DECEMBER 8TH, 2025 CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP WHERE JOHNSON ENGINEERING PRESENTED A HIGH LEVEL VALIDATION OF OUR CURRENT TRAFFIC DATA FORECASTING MODELS AND RECOMMENDED POLICY SHIFTS TO CITY COUNCIL AT THAT TIME. FOLLOWING THE DECEMBER 8TH WORKSHOP, OUR DEPARTMENT HELD INDIVIDUAL BRIEFING BRIEFINGS WITH EACH CITY COUNCIL MEMBER TO ENSURE THE TECHNICAL LANGUAGE OF THE DRAFT POLICY ALIGNED WITH THEIR EXPECTATIONS OF FOR THE CITY'S GROWTH THAT COLLABORATIVE FEEDBACK WAS PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL AT THEIR MAY 6TH MEETING RECENTLY, AND TODAY'S PRESENTATION PRESENTS AND REFLECTS THE COMMENTS RECEIVED AND INCORPORATED FOLLOWING THIS, THAT PARTICULAR DISCUSSION. WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO JOHNSON ENGINEERING, OUR JOHNSON ENGINEERING REPRESENTATIVE, JOSH HILDEBRAND, WHO WILL TALK YOU THROUGH THE DETAILS. JOSH, GOOD MORNING. AND JOSH HILDEBRAND. I'M A TRANSPORTATION AND TRAFFIC ENGINEER WITH JOHNSON ENGINEERING, FOR THE RECORD. TODAY FOR THE PRESENTATION, WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER THE BACKGROUND ON HOW WE GOT HERE, THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY REQUIREMENT, UPDATES THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED, AND THEN THE NEXT STEPS MOVING FORWARD. SO JUST JUMPING INTO THE BACKGROUND, AS ALLISON. ALLISON MENTIONED, WE DID START THE DOWNTOWN TRAFFIC STUDY IN FEBRUARY OF 2025. WE DID PROVIDE A PROGRESS UPDATE TO CITY COUNCIL IN JUNE OF 2025, AND THEN MET AGAIN AT A CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP WORKSHOP IN DECEMBER 8TH OF 2025. FROM THERE, WE WERE DIRECTED BY COUNCIL TO HAVE A ONE ON ONE SESSIONS WITH EACH MEMBER OF COUNCIL, WHICH OCCURRED DURING THE FIRST QUARTER OF 2026. AND THEN FOLLOWING THOSE MEETINGS, WE RETURNED ON MAY 6TH WITH A FINAL DRAFT OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACTS STUDY REQUIREMENTS, WHICH ARE IN YOUR PACKET. AND WE'RE HERE TODAY TO REVIEW AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE DOCUMENTS. SO JUST REAL QUICK, WHAT IS A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY? IT'S AN ANALYSIS REQUIRED FOR ANY TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT APPLICATION. WITHIN THE CITY. THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER MUST CONSIDER THE TRAFFIC GENERATED FOR ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT AND HOW IT IMPACTS OUR CITY ROADS. THIS INFORMATION AND THE REQUIREMENTS ARE IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES APPENDIX C OF THE CITY OF NAPLES STANDARD HANDBOOK. IT WAS ORIGINALLY, OR LAST TIME IT WAS ADOPTED WAS IN 2006. AND THIS WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY IS ALSO. THIS IS PART OF THE DOWNTOWN TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT WE'RE HERE SPECIFICALLY TO TALK ABOUT THE THE TIS POLICY UPDATES MOVING INTO THE DOCUMENTS IN YOUR IN YOUR PACKAGE. A COUPLE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS. THE FIRST I'M GOING TO TOUCH ON IS THE FORMAT. WE DID RESTRUCTURE THE POLICY INTO FOUR SECTIONS, THE FIRST BEING THE PROPOSED AND APPLICABILITY SECTION. SECOND, THE TYPES OF TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDIES, WHICH I'LL ELABORATE ON THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY REVIEW PROCEDURES. [01:20:06] AND THEN FINALLY THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY FORMAT AND CONTENT, HOW IT WILL BE PRESENTED TO THE CITY WITH AN APPLICATION. SO JUST GOING OVER A FEW OF THE, THE HIGHLIGHTS. WE ARE INTRODUCING OR PROPOSING TO INTRODUCE A REVIEW OR A REVIEW FEE SCHEDULE TO MINIMIZE THE THE BURDEN TO THE TAXPAYERS. IF ADOPTED, THE INTENT IS FOR THIS TO BE EFFECTIVE. EFFECTIVE OCTOBER 1ST, 2026. THE UPDATES DO INCLUDE ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE REGARDING THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR PREPARING THE TIS. THERE IS LANGUAGE INTRODUCED THAT THE TIS MUST BE PREPARED BY AN ENGINEER WITH A MINIMUM OF FIVE YEARS EXPERIENCE IN URBANIZED AREAS WITHIN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE UPDATES TO THE TYPES OF TISS WHICH DOES INCLUDE A DE MINIMIS A DE MINIMIS. TIS A SMALL SCALE, MINOR SCALE AND MAJOR SCALE. SO JUMPING INTO THOSE FOR A DE MINIMIS WOULD BE ANYTHING FEWER THAN TEN NET NEW TWO WAY AND TEN TWO WAY PEAK HOUR TRIPS. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE CAPTURED THE HIGHEST OF THE TWO THAT OCCURRED IN THE MORNING OR THE AFTERNOON. A SMALL SCALE WILL BE ANYTHING LESS THAN 50 OR LESS THAN 50. NET NEW TWO WAY TRIPS, EITHER IN THE MORNING OR IN THE PM PEAK HOUR. A MINOR WOULD BE FOR BETWEEN 50 AND 99 NET NEW TWO WAY TRIPS, AND THEN FINALLY ANYTHING OVER 100 OR MORE NET TWO WAY. AM AND PM PEAK HOUR TRIPS WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE MAJOR SCALE. I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT FOR THE MINOR AND MAJOR SCALE, THERE IS A A PROGRESSIVELY LARGER PLANNING HORIZON THAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED IN THE STUDY. A COUPLE OTHER MAJOR HIGHLIGHTS. WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT IN ADDITION TO LOOKING AT THE ROADWAYS, THEY DO. THE APPLICANT DOES PROVIDE ANALYSIS OF INTERSECTIONS WITHIN THE AREA OF AREA OF INFLUENCE. AND THIS ALSO BE BASED OFF OF THE PEAK SEASON, PEAK HOUR AND PEAK DIRECTION OF TRAFFIC. ALSO, THE ANALYSIS MUST ACCOUNT FOR THE TOTAL CUMULATIVE TRIPS FOR ANY PHASE DEVELOPMENT. SO ANALYSIS MAY INCLUDE A. IN THE SHORT TERM, A SMALLER NUMBER OF TRIPS. BUT IF THEY KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE 3 OR 4 PHASES, THERE NEEDS TO BE ANALYSIS INCLUDED FOR THE TOTAL TOTAL PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. ALSO, THERE'S LANGUAGE INTRODUCED DEFINING HOW THE STUDY AREA IS ESTABLISHED, AND IT'S BASED OFF OF THE GEOGRAPHIC AREA BASED OFF OF THE IMPACTED ROADS AND INTERSECTIONS WITHIN THAT AREA. THERE'S ALSO LANGUAGE BEING INCLUDED THAT ADDS A REQUIREMENT FOR EVALUATING IF TURN LANES ARE WARRANTED OR IF TURN LANE EXTENSIONS ARE NEEDED AS PART OF THAT ANALYSIS. CAN WE ASK QUESTIONS AS THIS AS PRESENTED OR NOT? NO WE'RE NOT. LET HIM FINISH HIS REPORT. THEN WE'LL GO BACK FOR QUESTIONS. YEAH. AND TO CLARIFY, WE CAN GO THROUGH BACK AND HAVE QUESTIONS. AND I'M A I'M ABOUT THROUGH. I ONLY HAVE A FEW MORE SLIDES. ALSO OTHER MAJOR ASPECTS. THE TIS MUST INCLUDE AN ANALYSIS OF MULTIMODAL AND TOUCH ON MICRO MOBILITY FOR THE FACILITIES AND FOR THE MAJOR SCALE. THAT'S THE ONE WITH OVER 100 NET NEW PEAK HOUR TRIPS. WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT CRASH ANALYSIS FOR ALL IMPACTED INTERSECTIONS BE CONDUCTED OVER A FIVE YEAR HORIZON. AND THEN AN INTERNAL CIRCULATION AND QUEUING PLAN AS IT, AS IT PERTAINS TO THE, THE SITE ITSELF. SO THE NEXT STEPS WE'RE HERE TODAY TO TO PRESENT AND ALSO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS. AND THEN THE PLAN MOVING FORWARD IS TO GO TO COUNCIL FOR THE FIRST AND SECOND READING THROUGH THE SEPTEMBER TIME FRAME AND HOPEFULLY HAVE, HAVE IT ADOPTED OCTOBER, I BELIEVE OCTOBER 1ST FOR THE NEW PROPOSED FEE SCHEDULE. SO WITH THAT, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. YES. PARKING INDIRECTLY IMPACTS TRAFFIC. I'M CURIOUS. WHERE WHERE IS PARKING? THE NEED FOR A DEVELOPMENT TO HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING FOR FOLKS THAT ARE DOING THE CONSTRUCTION IS AS OPPOSED TO LIKE HAVING PEOPLE IN A ROAD AND STOPPING TRAFFIC. AND IS THAT PART OF THIS IN ANY WAY, OR IS THAT SOMEPLACE ELSE IN THE. ALISON, WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO TOUCH ON THAT OR GO AHEAD? AS FAR AS THE, THE PARKING AND I BELIEVE YOU'RE REFERRING TO PARKING DURING CONSTRUCTION. IS THAT THAT CORRECT? THE ANALYSIS OF THE TRAFFIC, IT DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY STATE THAT THE APPLICANT IS THE CAN OR CAN'T PARK ON ROADS. [01:25:09] IT'S MORE PERTAINING TO THE FUTURE TRIPS THAT ARE GOING TO BE GOING TO AND FROM THE SITE AND HOW THEY IMPACT THE ROADS. HOWEVER, I DO BELIEVE IN THE THE SITE PLAN APPLICATION THAT THAT WOULD BE A PROHIBITED CONDITION. OR ON WE'RE TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT ON STREET PARKING DURING CONSTRUCTION CONSTRUCTION. AND THAT IS USUALLY HANDLED AS FAR AS OUR CONSTRUCTION ANALYSIS THAT'S COMPLETED UNDER. THERE'S A CONSTRUCTION PLAN THAT IS PUT IN PLACE AND THAT IS EVALUATED. AND THAT'S USUALLY THROUGH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AT THAT TIME AND, AND EVALUATING SO THAT THEY HAVE THEIR CONTROLS IF THERE'S ANY VIOLATIONS AND ALL PUT INTO EFFECT. THEY TYPICALLY TRY TO PURSUE MAKING SURE THAT THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF LOCATION FOR OFF, OFF PROPERTY PARKING AND THEY HAVE A NUMBER OF RESOURCES AND DIRECTION THAT THEY TYPICALLY PROVIDE AND WORK THROUGH WITH THE, THE COMPANIES OR THE APPLICANTS ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS AS, JUST AS THE BUILDER COMMENT THAT DOES PERMITTING CONSTANTLY. IT'S PART OF YOUR PERMIT PACKAGE. IT'S CALLED THE CONSTRUCTION SITE MANAGEMENT FORUM, AND YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM A PLAN TO TELL EVERYBODY WHERE YOU'RE PARKING, WHERE YOUR DUMPSTER IS GOING TO BE, TEMPORARY TOILETS. THINGS LIKE THAT. AND WE HAVE CONSTRUCTION SITE CONSTRUCTION COMPLIANCE INSPECTORS THAT MONITOR THOSE PLANS AND MONITOR ALL THE JOB SITES AND MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE PARKING WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE. AND THEN IT'S PRETTY BUSY SITE THEM IF THEY'RE NOT. YES THEY ARE. THEY ARE. YES. YES. BUT JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A. GREAT BURDEN ON THE QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL TRAFFIC ENGINEER CONSULTANTS. IT SEEMS LIKE WHOEVER THAT IS HAS TO GET IT RIGHT. WHO DETERMINES WHETHER A CONSULTANT IS IN FACT A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL TRAFFIC ENGINEER. IS IT THE DEVELOPER OR IS IT THE CITY AND B WHAT SPECIFICALLY WOULD BE THE QUALIFICATIONS AND WHETHER WOULD THERE BE A PREFERENCE FOR ENGINEERS WHO ARE LOCAL, WHO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES IF THEY DON'T GET IT RIGHT? TWO PARTS TO THE WELL, I THINK THREE PARTS TO THAT QUESTION. THE WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED IS THE DEVELOPER WOULD SECURE THEIR OWN ENGINEER FOR THE, FOR THE APPLICATION TO PREPARE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY AS IT'S PROPOSED. ALL WE'RE SAYING IS THE, WHOEVER SIGNS OFF SIGNS AND SEALS, THE TRAFFIC STUDY NEEDS TO HAVE A MINIMUM OF FIVE YEARS EXPERIENCE PERFORMING TRAFFIC STUDIES. AND WE DID SPECIFICALLY ADD AN URBANIZED AREAS IN FLORIDA JUST SO IT WAS. AND NOW AS FAR AS HOW THAT WOULD BE ENFORCED OR REVIEW, MOST LIKELY BY ALISON AND HER DEPARTMENT, THEY WOULD ASK FOR A RESUME OR QUALIFICATIONS. BUT THAT REASONING FOR, FOR DOING THAT WAS TO HAVE IT SIGNED AND SEALED IN THAT EXPERIENCE. SO JUST SO THAT THERE WAS CERTIFICATION OF THESE REQUIREMENTS. NOW, REGARDING THE THE LOCAL OR LOCAL PREFERENCE, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING WE'RE WE'RE PROPOSING AT THIS POINT, BUT WE DO WANT TO HAVE STRONGER QUALIFICATIONS JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY THEY DO HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE BASE FOR FOR AN URBANIZED AREA. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS I HAVE. JUST DO YOU WANT ME TO GO AHEAD? YEAH. OF COURSE. OKAY. I'M SORRY. SO THE DE MINIMIS AND THANK YOU FOR FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW, THE DE MINIMIS, SMALL SCALE, MINOR SCALE AND MAJOR SCALE. WHERE DID THOSE CATEGORIES COME FROM? BY WHOM AND BY WHAT METHODOLOGY WERE THEY DETERMINED? IN GENERAL COLLIER COUNTY AT LARGE DOES HAVE A, A MAJOR MINOR AND SMALL SCALE TIS. WE DID MODIFY IT SLIGHTLY BY THE NUMBER OF VEHICLES. AND REGARDING THE DE MINIMIS COLLECTIVELY AS A TEAM, WE DIDN'T WANT TO PUT THE BURDEN ON, SAY, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME COMING IN. SO WE JUST FELT THAT A, A SMALL NUMBER WAS APPROPRIATE FOR THAT CATEGORY. SO THERE WASN'T A BURDEN TO DO A FULL TRAFFIC STUDY. NOW THERE WERE QUESTIONS REGARDING HOW THE DE MINIMIS WAS ESTABLISHED, JUST AS SOMEONE WOULD COME IN AND JUST CHECK. IT'S DE MINIMIS. THERE ARE TRIP GENERATION IT'S THE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION. IT, BUT ALLISON AND STAFF CAN VERIFY IF IT IS IN FACT BASED OFF OF THE, WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED, IF IT TRULY IS A DE MINIMIS ACTIVITY SO THEY CAN VALIDATE THAT IN HOUSE. OKAY. MIKE, MY QUESTION IS, IS, IS IF WE GET A TRAFFIC STUDY AND WE THINK THAT THERE'S A LOT OF WRONG WITH IT. [01:30:06] DOES THE CITY HAVE THE RIGHT TO HIRE AN INDEPENDENT ENGINEER AT THE AT THE DEVELOPER'S EXPENSE TO GIVE US ANOTHER OPINION? WELL, THAT IS ALSO BUILT INTO THE LANGUAGE THAT IS INCORPORATED. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD WHEN WE WERE WORKING THROUGH. AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS PART OF YOUR SLIDES TOO, BUT I JUST WANT I THOUGHT IT WAS THERE, BUT I WANT YOU TO CONFIRM. YES. AND YOU'LL SEE THERE'S ACTUALLY, SO YOUR THAT IS CORRECT. AND THERE'S ACTUALLY FEES THAT WERE BUILT IN TEMPORARY FEES THAT WE WANT TO INCORPORATE IN BEFORE THE OCTOBER 1ST DEADLINE. THAT WILL ALLOW US THAT THE DEVELOPER IS PAYING FOR THAT INDEPENDENT CONSULTANT ENGINEERING CONSULTANT TO ASSIST WITH REVIEWS. IF THERE'S ANY SPECIFICALLY FOR ANY OF THESE GREATER, LARGER PROJECTS THAT WE MAY NEED TO RELY ON THEM TO. AND ACTUALLY TO THIS, AT THIS TIME, IF THERE'S ANYTHING A VERY LARGE PROJECT, I WILL REACH OUT. WE HAVE CONTINUING SERVICES AND I'VE UTILIZED THOSE SERVICES TO SAY, HEY, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. YOU CAN LOOK AT IT FROM THESE CONSULTANTS. THEY WORK ON THESE MODELS MORE FREQUENTLY. THEY HAVE THE THEY HAVE THE, THE MODELING PROGRAMS AND CAN GET IN THERE AND ALSO. DOUBLE CHECK THAT. AND I CAN ONLY GO THROUGH, I DON'T HAVE ALL THE MODELING AND KNOW. I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM BECAUSE IT'S A PROBLEM HISTORICALLY WE'VE HAD. AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT THAT WE CAN DO IT. I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT WE CAN. OKAY. THAT WAS MY QUESTION. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. YEAH YES I DO. SO WAS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO HAVING A POOL OF PROFESSIONALS AND THE CITY CHOOSES AND LIKE, OKAY, YOU, THEN YOU, THEN YOU, RATHER THAN HAVE THE DEVELOPER CHOOSE THE PROFESSIONAL. SO YOU'RE SAYING IF AS FAR AS THE, THE, IF, IF THE CITY HIRES LIKE WHO HIRES THE EXPERT TYPE OF DISCUSSION? BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK THAT QUESTION SHOULD GO TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, BECAUSE IT FEELS TO ME LIKE WE'RE NOT IN THE BUSINESS OF HIRING PEOPLE'S CONSULTANTS. I'M NOT SAYING I THOUGHT IT WAS VERIFYING TO SAY, HERE'S AN APPROVED LIST OF PEOPLE YOU CAN USE. I THOUGHT, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. NO, I THINK IT WILL BE AT THE REQUEST OF THE CITY. SO WE WILL MAKE THE CHOICE ON WHO WE UTILIZE. NO, NO, WE'RE MISTAKING THAT IF WE WANT AN INDEPENDENT STUDY, WE GET TO CHOOSE. NO QUESTION. CORRECT. THE QUESTION REALLY IS CAN WE HAVE A FUSION? YOUR WORDS. CAN WE HAVE AN APPROVED LIST OF PEOPLE WE WILL ACCEPT FOR DOING TRAFFIC STUDIES? AND THERE'S A THIRD PARTY THAT WANTS HE WANTS TO USE SOMEBODY ELSE. NO, THAT'S THE ANSWER. RIGHT? THANK YOU. BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE ESSENTIALLY CREATING A MONOPOLY FOR TRAFFIC ENGINEERS. YEAH. NO, I THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION. I MEAN, WE DO HAVE AN APPROVED LIKE WE HAVE A LIST THAT'S ON OUR APPROVED LIST OF THAT WE ADVISE RIGHT NOW OF CONSULTANTS THAT MAY BE UNDER A CERTAIN THAT THEY'VE SUBMITTED IN AND HAVE BEEN EVALUATED. BUT AND I COULD PROBABLY GO A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO DETAIL ON THAT IF YOU'D LIKE. THAT'S GREAT. THANKS, ALLISON. THANK YOU. SURE. NOW WE'VE GOT QUESTIONS. YEAH, I DID MORE THIS MORE COMES FROM MY BUILDER SIDE AS A PETITIONER. JUST FOR SPECIFICITY. SO WHEN IT, WHEN IT COMES TO THIS I JUST HAD A COUPLE COMMENTS LIKE THE CRITERIA THAT TRIGGERS THE THIRD PARTY AUDIT. SHOULDN'T THAT BE LIKE CODIFIED INSTEAD OF LIKE STAFF DISCRETION? THE REASON AGAIN, I'M JUST GOING THROUGH SPECIFICITY. IF YOU'RE TRYING TO GET A PROJECT THROUGH YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S IF STAFF SAYS, WELL, WE THINK YOU NEED IT, SO WE WANT IT OR BEFORE WE SUBMIT, WE ALREADY KNOW THAT WE MAY NEED TO DO THAT. I THINK THAT WOULD HELP THIS. AND THE ONLY OTHER COMMENT I HAD WAS ON THE FEES AGAIN WITH SPECIFICITY. YOU KNOW, THIS HAPPENS FROM TIME TO TIME MORE IN THE COUNTY THAN THE CITY. IF THE, IF STAFF CHANGES COMMENTS ON THEIR CORRECTION REQUESTS ON THE PERMIT APPLICATION, THE PETITIONER SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PAY THE FEE AGAIN BECAUSE NOW THEY HAVE ADDED COMMENTS TO THEIR ALREADY COMMENTED PERMIT FORM. DOES IT I'M I'M TRYING TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. WHEN YOU SUBMIT AND YOU GET COMMENTS, CORRECTION, COMMENTS BACK FROM THE CITY FOR WHATEVER PROJECT YOU'RE DOING, AND THEN YOU ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE. IF THEN YOU RESUBMIT, YOU'VE ADDRESSED ALL OF THEM. NOW STAFF COME BACK, COMES BACK AND SAYS, NOW WE WANT THIS. I DON'T THINK THE PETITIONER SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING ADDITIONAL FEES ON THAT BECAUSE NOW THE TARGET HAS SHIFTED. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND THIS. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. I MEAN I THINK TYPICALLY THAT WE TRY TO PROVIDE THE FEEDBACK UPFRONT AND THERE IS AS PART OF WHEN WE DO THESE, [01:35:07] THE, THE ENGINEER IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE AND IT'S INCLUDED IN HERE, BUT THERE SHOULD BE A METHODOLOGY REVIEW THAT LAYS THAT OUT. AND IF WE ARE REALLY COMMUNICATING AND THEY'RE RELAYING ALL THAT INFORMATION, I. WE CAN'T ALWAYS CONTROL IF IF IT IF IT CHANGES DEPENDING ON WHOSE END IS CHANGING, THERE'S SOMETIMES THAT IT'S THAT THE DESIGN HAS ULTIMATELY CHANGED OR THERE'S OTHER COMPONENTS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED. AND AS MORE INFORMATION IS PROVIDED, SOMETIMES WE NEED TO GET, OKAY, NOW WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS. SO THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE SELF-INDUCED. YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT. IF A DESIGN CHANGES AND THEN BY ALL MEANS, YEAH, WE'RE USUALLY PRETTY SENSITIVE TO THAT. I MEAN, I THINK THIS HAS A SUPPLEMENTAL REVIEW FOR THIRD AND SUBSEQUENT SUBMITTAL. SO I MEAN HOPEFULLY AT THAT POINT WE'VE ALREADY IRONED IT OUT AFTER WE'VE ALREADY HAD THE METHODOLOGY IS CORRECT, AND I THINK THE INTENT OF THAT ADDITIONAL. I THINK IT WAS $500 AFTER THE THIRD SUFFICIENCY REVIEW, WE DID BUILD IN MORE SPECIFICITY IN THE REQUIREMENTS AND THAT METHODOLOGY MEETING. SO I THINK THE, THE INTENT IS NOT TO MOVE THE, THE GOAL POST AFTER 1 OR 2 REVIEWS IS TO HAVE A CLEAR. I THINK THAT'S FAIR. CLEAR PATH. I DID OVERLOOK THE THREE. I THINK IT'S ALMOST THE THIRD SUBMITTAL. YEAH. AND THAT THAT WAS REALLY MORE FOR IF IF IT GOT TO A POINT WHERE STUFF. I THINK REALLY THE INTENT THERE WAS IF THERE WERE SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES AT THAT POINT AND IT WASN'T A, A I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS A LARGE FEE. AND THEN I BELIEVE YOUR FIRST QUESTION PERTAINED TO WHO IS GOING TO BE REVIEWING WHETHER IT WOULD BE ALLISON AND STAFF OR HIRING THE, THE CONSULTANT. I THINK THAT WAS THE INTENT OF HAVING A CONSISTENT AGAIN, IT'S NOT A VERY. IT'S CONSISTENT WITH COLLIER COUNTY'S FEE SCHEDULE, BUT HAVE THAT FEE SCHEDULE, WHETHER IT IS STAFF REVIEWING OR STAFF ELECTS TO HAVE A A THIRD PARTY REVIEWER, I BELIEVE THAT'S UP UP TO ALLISON AND STAFF'S DISCRETION CASE BY CASE. THANK YOU. YEAH. JUST A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS. FOLLOWING UP ON THE QUESTION ABOUT THE METHODOLOGY FOR IDENTIFYING DE MINIMIS AND SO FORTH, IS DOES THE CITY HAVE THE CITY STAFF HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO MOVE A STANDARD MOVE UP A STANDARD, FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT'S A REALLY CLOSE CALL BETWEEN A A MINOR STUDY AND A MAJOR STUDY DOES THE STAFF HAVE THE ABILITY TO MOVE IT UP TO THE MAJOR BASED UPON YOU KNOW, ITS JUDGMENT. BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD RECOMMEND BE INCLUDED IN THE IN THE TIS THAT THERE'S SOME DISCRETION AS FAR AS IF THERE'S A. DETERMINATION BY STAFF TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO THE. THE SCALE, THE TYPE. I DON'T BELIEVE THAT LANGUAGE IS SPECIFICALLY IN THERE FOR SPECIFICALLY ADJUSTING THE SCALE. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CONSISTENT. FOR WHEN AN APPLICANT CAME IN, IF THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN THIS, THIS BIN OR THIS BIN, HOWEVER THERE IS LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT IF THERE IS AN INTERSECTION OR AN AREA OF CONCERN STAFF DOES AT THEIR DISCRETION CAN ADD IF IT'S ADJACENT TO THAT, THERE IS LANGUAGE BUILT IN THERE AND THAT STAFF DISCRETION THAT'S FOR B1E. I SAW THAT THAT'S WHAT KIND OF MADE ME THINK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THE, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCE, ONE OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE MINOR SCALE AND THE MAJOR SCALE IS THE, THE HORIZON FOR WHICH YOU HAVE TO PLAN. AND SO IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE CITY STAFF MIGHT SEE A SITUATION WHERE CURRENTLY WELL, THE, THE PROJECT IS PLANNED FOR AN AREA THAT THERE'S AN EXPECTATION THAT THERE'LL BE SUBSTANTIAL GROWTH OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, MAYBE MORE SO THAN A MINOR SCALE STUDY WOULD WARRANT. AND THEN THAT WAY YOU CAN MOVE IT UP TO A MAJOR SCALE STUDY AND HAVE THE PLANNING HORIZON MOVE OUT. SO ANYWAY, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THERE BE SOME DISCRETION WITHIN THE CITY TO MOVE IT, MOVE THE, THE, THE CATEGORIZATION UP A NOTCH. YOU KNOW, AND YOU COULD USE THE LANGUAGE FROM FOR B1E TO TO CRAFT THAT LANGUAGE WOULD BE PRETTY EASY TO DO, I THINK. SO THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. OKAY. AND THEN THIS IS SO, SO THAT'S THAT. BUT BUT THEN HERE'S ONE THING I WAS, I WAS DOING SOME RESEARCH ON TIS AND YOU KNOW WHAT THE, THE CURRENT TRENDS ARE IN DEVELOPING THOSE AND OUR STUDY HERE, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT. I REALLY LIKE IT. IS, IS A LEVEL OF SERVICE BASED STUDY. [01:40:05] AND THEN I WAS, I WAS NOTICING THAT OTHER TISS AROUND THE STATE INCLUDE SOMETHING A LITTLE BROADER THAN THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, CYCLIST SAFETY SCHOOL WALKING ROUTES, EMERGENCY RESPONSE TIMES, AND THEN EMERGENCY EVACUATION ROUTES. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THOSE WOULD BE USEFUL THINGS TO HAVE IN A T S, SO THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THINGS THAT WOULD NOT ONLY KEEP THE TRAFFIC MOVING, BUT WOULD ENSURE PUBLIC SAFETY AND, AND CONVENIENCE. CORRECT. AND I'LL TOUCH ON BOTH OF THOSE REAL QUICK. FIRST, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE. AND THERE WERE TWO PART. CURRENTLY, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, THE WAY IT'S BEING ANALYZED IN THE CITY AS PART OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF I TOUCHED ON THIS IN DETAIL, BUT A, A TWO WAY LEVEL OF SERVICE THRESHOLD. ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WAS LOOKING AT TRAFFIC IN THESE STUDIES FROM A PEAK HOUR PEAK SEASON, PEAK DIRECTION. BEING A COASTAL COMMUNITY, WE HAVE A LOT OF MEMBERS OUTSIDE THE INFLUENCE OF THE CITY COME INTO THE CITY IN THE MORNING AND LEAVE. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE CAPTURED THOSE WORST CASE DIRECTIONS AT THE WORST CASE TIME OF THE YEAR. THE TIS THERE IS LANGUAGE TOWARDS THE END. I BELIEVE IT'S IN THE FORMAT SECTION, SECTION FOUR. BUT SAYS THAT THE APPLICANT MUST TOUCH ON THE MULTIMODAL ASPECTS. THAT'S THE BICYCLE PEDESTRIAN AND THEN ALSO THE MICRO MOBILITY THAT PREVIOUSLY WAS NOT A REQUIREMENT. SO WE DO WANT TO STRENGTHEN THAT NOW. WHAT EXACTLY THAT THAT ANALYSIS MAY BE DIFFERENT. CASE BY CASE ON WHERE YOU'RE AT IN THE CITY. THAT'S ALSO ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WE RECOMMEND INTRODUCING THAT METHODOLOGY, MEETING WITH STAFF UP FRONT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A CLEARLY DEFINED REQUIREMENTS IN THE TRAFFIC STUDY. AND THIS IS WHAT, WHAT WE EXPECT. SO YOU'RE NOT SURPRISED AFTER, YOU KNOW, 2 OR 3 ROUNDS AND YOU GET A GET A COMMENT THAT IS NOT, NOT THE INTENT. SO SOME OF THOSE, SO SOME OF THOSE THINGS I MENTIONED, LIKE PEDESTRIAN AND CYCLIST SAFETY THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED IN THE MULTI MULTI MODAL. CORRECT. OKAY. EXCELLENT. AND THEN WOULD THAT INCLUDE, YOU KNOW EMERGENCY RESPONSE TIME EFFECT AND THE EMERGENCY EVACUATION ROUTE EFFECT. TYPICALLY THOSE ARE UP TO THAT LEVEL IN A, IN A SPECIFIC SITE DEVELOPMENT STUDY OR A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY BY AN APPLICANT. HOWEVER, I KNOW THAT THE CITY DOES HAVE A PREFERRED TRUCKING ROUTES, AND THAT COULD BE ALSO DOCUMENTED OR THAT INFORMATION CAN BE PROVIDED DURING THE METHODOLOGY MEETING WITH STAFF. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IS THIS AN ACTION ITEM OR WE'RE JUST FOR OUR INFORMATION ITEM AND GIVING YOU OUR FEEDBACK. WE ARE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK. WE'RE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY RIGHT. WHICH YOU'VE BEEN GETTING, WHICH I REALLY APPRECIATE THE THOUGHTFUL COMMENTS. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. COMMENT. YEAH. JUST A QUICK QUESTION JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. SO. THIS IS BASICALLY FORMING THE STANDARDS FOR TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDIES ON INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS. THOSE ARE KIND OF INTERRELATED TO THE OVERALL TRAFFIC FOR THE ENTIRE CITY AS WELL. SO I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHEN AN APPLICANT COMES IN AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, ITEMS THAT COME UP THAT BECAUSE OF THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, THEY HAVE TO THEN ADDRESS IS THE RECOMMENDATION FOR WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IN OTHER THE ACTION ITEMS THAT THEY NEED TO TAKE CARE OF. THAT'S COMING FROM THE STAFF'S REVIEW OF THE T S OR, YOU KNOW, WHERE IS THAT ORIGINATING FROM? YEAH. SO I MEAN, IN THIS, THE, THE LANGUAGE IN HERE, THE POLICY, IT DOES PROVIDE TRIGGERS AND MORE LIKE MORE REQUIREMENTS, MORE TEETH, I SHOULD SAY INTO WHAT THOSE, THOSE FINAL OUTPUTS SHOULD BE. BUT YES, IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY THEY PROVIDE THAT THE LEVEL OF INFORMATION AND DETAIL WITHIN THOSE TIS REPORT'S RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THEN WE LOOK AT THOSE AND DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THE IMPACTS TO OUR SURROUNDING ROADWAY SYSTEMS. IF IT. IF IT. WE SEE ANYTHING ELSE THAT MAY NEED MAY BE NECESSARY DEPENDING ON THE SPECIFIC LOCATION. HEY, THERE'S. WE SEE MORE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY. THIS NEEDS TO ALSO BE CONSIDERED. SO ALL OF THAT IS BUILT INTO THIS AND KIND OF LOOKS AT OVERALL. AND IT ALSO INCLUDES LIKE YOU SAY, IT'S IT'S LIKE A PIECE OF THAT PUZZLE. THEY ALSO BUILT INTO LIKE JUST A, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A PARTICULAR PROPERTY THAT IS MAYBE OF A PART OF A LARGER [01:45:05] PROJECT OR ANOTHER BUILD OUT, THEY'VE BUILT IN LANGUAGE TO CONSIDER THAT WHOLE BUILD OUT AS WELL IN THIS, IN THIS, IN THESE GUIDELINES. AND THEN YOU HAVE KIND OF THE OVERALL CITY TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY THAT YOU KIND OF INTEGRATE INTO THAT AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF PROJECTS BECOME PART OF THE PIECE OF THE ENTIRE CITY. RIGHT. WELL, THEY'RE DOING, THEY'RE DOING THE OVERALL TRAFFIC STUDY TO EVALUATE. AND THEN WE, WE TYPICALLY AS A DEPARTMENT, EVALUATE AND LOOK AT OUR ROADS. WE RETURN. AND YOU'RE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH WHEN WE BROUGHT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE REPORT. SO THAT LOOKS AT OUR ROAD SYSTEMS AND MAYBE WHERE WE NEED TO, TO LOOK AT DEFICIENCIES AND, AND OPERATIONAL STANDPOINTS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED. JUST REFRESH MY MEMORY ONCE THE BECAUSE THIS IS SEPARATE FROM THAT, WHEN IS THE THAT OVERALL CITY THING IS ONGOING? YEAH. SO THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT. AND I CAN LET JOSH PROVIDE. I THINK WE'RE HOPING TO GET THE THE FINAL REPORT BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. YEAH. AND PRESENTED SO THAT AND I'VE BEEN PUSHING JOSH AND THE JOHNSON JOHNSON ENGINEERING TEAM TO GET THAT ACCOMPLISHED AS WELL SOONER THAN LATER. I'LL I'LL COMMENT ON THAT. YEAH. WE ARE WORKING TO GET A DRAFT OUT THIS SUMMER. AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN GETTING A LOT OF GREAT FEEDBACK FROM, FROM COUNCIL. WORKING WITH ALLISON AND HER TEAM. SO WE DO WANT TO GET THAT OUT. FOR REVIEW AGAIN, THAT'S NOT FOR THE ENTIRE CITY. IT'S FOR THE DOWNTOWN KIND OF CORE AREA. JUST TO CLARIFY. BUT AS PART OF THAT, WE ARE DOING A MODELING EXERCISE. WE DID VALIDATE SOME OF THE THE TRAFFIC DURING THE PEAK SEASON IN MARCH. TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, WE CAPTURED WHEN THOSE PEAK HOURS AND THE PEAK TIME OCCURRED ALSO AS PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS BOTH IN THE CITY AND OUTSIDE THE CITY HAVE BEEN COMING IN. OUR TEAM'S BEEN KIND OF KEEPING UP WITH, OR HAS BEEN KEEPING UP WITH THOSE APPLICATIONS AND INCORPORATING THOSE KIND OF INTO THIS, THIS, THIS MODEL. SO MORE TO COME ON THAT I KNOW WE'RE HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THE TIS, BUT THAT WILL BE BE FORTHCOMING. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO WIND THIS UP BECAUSE WE NEED TO TAKE A BREAK. AND I THINK WE'VE ALL MADE OUR COMMENTS, BUT IF SOMEBODY HAS SOMETHING CRITICAL, I HAVE A NON-CRITICAL QUICK QUESTION FOR MATT SUNSHINE. SO THIS PERMIT SCENARIO GETS APPROVED. JOHNSON ENGINEERING THROWS A PARTY AT THE FOUR SEASONS. WE'RE ALL INVITED. ANY ISSUE WITH US ATTENDING? YES. WHAT'S THE ISSUE? CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S FORESEEABLY GOING TO COME BEFORE YOU, THEN MORE THAN ONE OF YOU CAN'T BE. NO, IT'S ALREADY DONE, IS WHAT I'M ASKING. YEAH, BUT IS IT IS IT DONE OR IS IT GOING TO COME BACK? THE THRESHOLD IS FORESEEABLE THAT IT WILL COME BACK. IT'S NOT. IT WILL. IT ALREADY PASSED. SO LIKE, WHAT IF THERE'S AN AMENDMENT TO THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT COMES BEFORE YOU FOR INPUT. SO ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, WHAT I URGE ALL OF YOU TO DO IS CALL ME AND ASK A QUESTION BEFORE IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ON SOMETHING. LISTEN, GIVE UP YOUR PARTY PLANS. I MEAN, WHEN IN DOUBT, DON'T DO IT. THAT'S REALLY, I THINK, THE BEST ADVICE I COULD GIVE ANYBODY. I JUST THINK THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE SACRIFICES WE MAKE IN ADDITION TO ALL THE TIME WE'VE GIVEN, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK. I THINK IT HAS TO BE 15 MINUTES. IS THAT RIGHT? IT'S WHATEVER YOU WANT IT TO BE. WELL, LET'S TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE'RE ON. WE'D LIKE TO CALL THE MEETING BACK TO ORDER. AND THE NEXT, NEXT COMMENT OR MR. FOWLER'S COMMENTS IN ONE MINUTE OR LESS. [11.A) Fowler's Comments] YEAH, I ACTUALLY CAN. CAN I TAKE A BET ON THAT? NO, I THINK I CAN DO IT. I THINK I CAN DO IT IN TWO. SO THANK YOU FOR FOR THE TIME. THE THING YOU'LL REMEMBER FROM THE LAST MEETING IS I PROVIDED A DOCUMENT AND THEN A COVER PAGE THAT INCLUDED SOME OF MY SUGGESTIONS FOR TAKING THE PAB TO, TO ANOTHER LEVEL, IN MY VIEW. AND I'VE GOT A PURPOSE STATEMENT THAT I'M GOING TO READ. THE PURPOSE OF THIS SUGGESTION OR THESE SUGGESTIONS IS TO STRENGTHEN THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD'S ROLE AS THE CITY'S LONG RANGE PLANNING BODY, WHILE MAINTAINING ITS EFFECTIVENESS IN REVIEWING ZONING AND LAND USE APPLICATIONS, AND TO DO SO IN A MANNER THAT REFLECTS A ROBUST, DATA INFORMED APPROACH TO PLANNING. AND SO THAT'S MY PRESENTATION. YOU'VE SEEN THE THE PAPER I DRAFTED. AND THE THING THAT I WOULD MENTION IN TERMS OF MY PREFERENCE IS, IS SEVERAL FOLD. ONE, I THINK THAT WE CAN MAKE CHANGES IF WE DECIDE TO DO SO IN AN INCREMENTAL FASHION. [01:50:01] WE DON'T NEED TO COMPLETELY YOU KNOW, ADOPT ALL OF THESE SUGGESTIONS I'VE MADE. SECONDLY, I'D LIKE TO HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM, A STANDING AGENDA ITEM FOR US TO DISCUSS THE SORTS OF THINGS THAT I'M SUGGESTING IN THIS, THIS PLANNING ENHANCEMENT DOCUMENT AND THE TWO THINGS THAT I THINK ARE VERY APPEALING TO ME IN TERMS OF LONG RANGE PLANNING. OPPORTUNITIES IS ONE AND WE'D HAVE TO ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO ACTUALLY FUND THIS, BUT I HAVE A REASON TO BELIEVE THAT THEY WOULD BE AMENABLE TO IT. AND THAT IS THE CITY INFORMATION MODELING TOOL, WHICH IS SOFTWARE THAT IN AND PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN ON THE JOB FOR A WHILE. REMEMBER ANDREW MAYER'S DESCRIPTION OF THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES. HE, HE CALLED IT A BUILDING INFORMATION MODELING. BUT BUT, BUT THE CITY INFORMATION MODELING DOES THE SAME THING ONLY ON A CITY WIDE BASIS. IT WOULD ALLOW THE CITY TO TO BUILD OUT IN A 3D MODEL, ALL OF THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IN TOWN THAT'S BEEN THAT'S BEEN APPROVED AND THEN INCLUDE THAT IN THE CITY AS IT EXISTS. SO WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AND FIGURE OUT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. AS WE THEN MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT WHAT PLANNING WE WANT TO DO, AND ALSO WHAT PROJECTS WE WANT TO APPROVE OR NOT, OR MODIFY OR SUGGEST MODIFICATIONS. AND I THINK ANDREW SAID IT WOULD BE A 20 OR $30,000 OUTLAY TO GET THAT, THAT MODELING SOFTWARE AND THEN INITIATED. THE SECOND ONE THAT I THINK IS TO ME APPEALING IS, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING THE CUMULATIVE AND LONG TERM IMPACTS OF DEVELOPMENT AND THAT WOULD BE PART AND PARCEL WITH THE CIM, THE CITY INFORMATION MODELING. SO WE COULD REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT AT WHAT THE CITY IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME. AND THEN THE THIRD, THIS IS I MUST BE OVER TWO MINUTES NOW, BUT BUT THERE ARE SOME SECONDARY ONES THAT I REALLY LIKE AS WELL. THE STATUS AND SUITABILITY OF THE CITY URBAN FOREST PROGRAM AND SHADE TREES, WHICH I THINK IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR RESILIENCY. SECONDLY, CITY BEAUTIFICATION, YOU KNOW, STREETS, PUBLIC PROPERTIES AND RIGHT OF WAYS. I KNOW THAT THERE'S AN INITIATIVE THAT THAT MAY GET STARTED ON THAT IN THE CITY ALREADY. EXPANSION OF CITY OWNED GREEN SPACES. THERE'S A COUPLE PLACES I'VE HAD MY EYE ON. THE THIRD STREET SOUTH AND BROAD. THERE'S THAT BEAUTIFUL BANYAN TREE. THAT IS THERE. IT'S IT'S PRIVATELY OWNED, BUT IT SEEMS TO ME IT WOULD BE A BEAUTIFUL EXPANSION OF THE PARK THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO IT. AND I'D LOVE TO HAVE THAT BANYAN TREE IN NAPLES FOREVER. AND THEN ANOTHER ONE THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF 41ST AND FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH. IF YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, ENVISION IT JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 41 AND ON THE NORTH SIDE, THERE'S THAT THAT PIECE OF VACANT GROUND. THAT WOULD BE A BEAUTIFUL WAY TO ADD A LITTLE MORE GREEN SPACE THAT WAS DEDICATED TO A PARK THAT'S PRIVATELY OWNED AGAIN. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE PURCHASED. BUT THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT, THAT I HAVE HAD IN MIND THAT I WOULD LIKE TO, TO HAVE THE BOARD CONSIDER ABOUT HOW TO EXPAND OUR GREEN SPACES, IMPROVE RESILIENCY AND SO FORTH. BUT MAINLY TODAY, CITY INFORMATION MODELING. AND, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO CONSIDER CUMULATIVE AND LONG, LONG TERM IMPACTS OF DEVELOPMENT. BUT MOSTLY I WANTED TO HEAR WHAT WHAT YOUR VIEWS WERE ON THIS. AND AND ERICA'S AND BECAUSE, AND THE CITY MANAGER WHO'S HERE, IF HE WANTS TO, TO WEIGH IN AS WELL, THAT WOULD BE BEAUTIFUL. BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE. I HOPE THAT YOU VIEW THE SUGGESTIONS. YEAH. I'M GOING TO MAKE A COUPLE QUICK COMMENTS AND THEN WE'LL GO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD BE DISCUSSING OVER TIME BECAUSE THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT HERE. BUT I DO THINK THE COMMENTS ABOUT FOCUSING ON CUMULATIVE AND LONG TERM IMPACTS OF DEVELOPMENT, SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN MISSING FOR A LONG TIME. AND I THINK THE MODELING MAKES SENSE TO ME. BUT THESE ARE FINANCIAL DECISIONS AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY ABILITY TO DO ANYTHING IN THOSE REGARD. SO I THINK THAT AT LEAST MAKING A SUGGESTION AT MOST TO THE CITY COUNCIL, PARTICULARLY FOR THE MODELING DATA, IT'S AN EXPENSIVE PURCHASE, BUT WE KNOW WE JUST SAVED THEM SOME MONEY ON THE PUBLIC NOTICES. SO MAYBE WE COULD SPEND IT, SPEND IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT IT WOULD GIVE US A MORE FACTUAL BASIS ON WHICH TO ACT, WHICH MIGHT BE HELPFUL. WE MIGHT NOT LIKE THE ANSWERS, WE MIGHT LIKE THE ANSWERS. [01:55:03] BUT THE OTHER THING GREG HAS IN HERE, HE HAD A HAS MEETING EVERY WEEK ON PLANNING AND PLANNING IDEAS. BUT I THINK THE IDEA OF ONCE EVERY MONTH. YEAH, I THINK THE IDEA, THOUGH, OF AN ANNUAL WORKSHOP OR AN END OF A MEETING BEING A WORKSHOP FOR AN HOUR OR SO, JUST TO, TO TALK ABOUT THE FUTURE AND WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH IS A, IS A GOOD STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN IMPLEMENT. I THINK WE COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY ON MODELING, BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH INFORMATION RIGHT NOW, I THINK EVEN TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A WAG AS TO WHAT THE PRICE MAY BE. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY NEEDS TO LOOK INTO THAT AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE US. SO I DON'T EVEN JUST LOOKING INTO IT. IT'S AN EXPENSE. SO AND COULD I JUST MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT POINT? BECAUSE AT, AT THE JOINT WORKSHOP WITH CITY COUNCIL WAY BACK WHEN ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ANDREW MAYOR MENTIONED THIS AGAIN, AND THE MAYOR ENTHUSIASTICALLY SUPPORTED LOOKING INTO IT, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A REALLY GOOD SIGN. AND I WANTED TO MENTION THAT AND I FORGOT TO DO SO. BUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, NOTHING FURTHER HAS HAPPENED IN THAT REGARD. SO HENCE THE A B. SO I THINK WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR ARE JUST GENERAL COMMENTS BRIEFLY THAT THESE ARE GOOD IDEAS, THESE ARE BAD IDEAS. AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN, AT THE END OF EACH ONE OF OUR MEETINGS TO START WITH, HAVE A ONE DISCUSSION TOPIC AND MOVE THROUGH IT. I MEAN, NOTHING MOVES FAST IN GOVERNMENT, BUT I THINK MR. FOWLER'S COMMENTS ARE WELL TAKEN AND CONSTRUCTIVE AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. SO YES. THANK YOU. YES, FOWLER, I THINK YOU DID A GREAT JOB ON THIS AND SORT OF OUTLINING HOW WE CAN GET A BETTER AND HIGHER USE OF PAB ON STRATEGIC ITEMS. AND BUT I WOULD JUST SORT OF LIKE REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THIS IS OUR JOB ALREADY. BECAUSE IN THE CITY OF ORDINANCE, IT SAYS VERY CITY ORDINANCES. IT SAYS VERY CLEARLY, OUR JOB IS TO PRODUCE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND TO PERFECT IT. AND WE KEEP SAYING OVER AND OVER, IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE PERFECT. IT'S NEVER GOING TO BE PERFECT. WELL, THE BAR FOR THE PAB IS WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE PERFECTING IT. SO HOW DO WE CODIFY THAT PERFECTION, THAT PERFECTION PROCESS, THE PROCESS OF PERFECTING IT? AND I THINK IT'S EQUIVALENT TO THE PAB SORT OF THING. WE'RE IN CHARGE WITH REGARD TO LAND USE IN THE CITY IN CHARGE OF THE CITY'S STRATEGIC PLAN. AND IF YOU PUT THIS UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF STRATEGIC PLANNING, EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING MAKES SENSE. AND THEN THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN BE MORE GRANULAR ABOUT IT. AND IF WE, I GUESS TO BE MORE GRANULAR ABOUT IT, FIRST OF ALL, YES, THE MODELING DATA, I THINK IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD DEFINITELY BE ADVISING BODY SHOULD DEFINITELY RECOMMEND TO TO CITY COUNCIL TO PURCHASE. BUT GOING FORWARD WITH THE STRATEGIC PLAN OF THE CITY WITH REGARD TO LAND USE, MY PRIORITIES WOULD BE WHATEVER WE DO THAT IT BE RESIDENT FOCUSED AND RESIDENT FIRST AND THAT IT INCLUDES RESILIENCY AS, AS A MAIN CORE COMPONENT OF IT. AND I CAN GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE OF HOW WE MIGHT DO THAT. AND JUST THIS IS VERY GRANULAR, BUT I'VE BEEN ADVOCATING FOR A LONG TIME TO HAVE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL RESILIENCY TASK FORCE. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA. THEY AND NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA TO RESURRECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD SPECIFIC PLANS AS WELL. AND THE RESILIENCY COMPONENT OF THAT WOULD BE PART OF IT. EXCELLENT COMMENT. COMMENT. SO FULLY SUPPORT WHAT GREG HAS OFFERED. AND I AGREE WITH SALLY THAT THIS IS REALLY ALREADY IN OUR MANDATE. I ACTUALLY, I LIKE THE COMMENT AROUND RESILIENCY AS, AS A PERHAPS INITIAL FOCUS BECAUSE IT'S THE NEW, IT IS THE NEW ELEMENT THAT'S BEING PUT IN. AND I, I'M A LITTLE I'M, I GUESS TROUBLED A BIT AS FAR AS THE RESILIENCY ELEMENT IN THAT DOCTOR GEORGE, I'VE TALKED TO DOCTOR GEORGE AT LENGTH ABOUT RESILIENCY, AND I DON'T SEE A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER IS ACTUALLY ADVOCATING FOR IN OUR RESILIENCY PLAN. AND SO I WOULD LOVE FOR HIM TO COME TO TALK TO US. AND TO START THE START THE BALL ROLLING HERE AND MY SUGGESTION ON THIS, ON THE SIM SOFTWARE. I'M, I'M A, I'M FOR IT AS WELL, BUT I'D LOVE TO SEE US DEMONSTRATE SOME IMPACTS AND THEN ASK AS OPPOSED TO GOING IN AND ASKING RIGHT AWAY. [02:00:03] THANK YOU. ANY COMMENTS? YES, A FEW. I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, BEING FORWARD LOOKING IS WHERE WE NEED TO BE AS OPPOSED TO JUST REACTING TO VARIOUS REQUESTS FOR VARIANCES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I THINK THAT SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS WE'RE SAYING WITH DOCTOR GEORGE AND JUST TALKING ABOUT THE SEWER AND WHERE THE WATER IS COMING FROM, I MEAN, WE HAD THAT MEETING HERE A COUPLE OF WEEKS A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, I GUESS, WHICH WAS, I MEAN, I NEVER KNEW WHERE THAT STUFF WAS. I WAS SURPRISED TO KNOW THAT THE WATER FOR FOR NAPLES GOES TO OTHER DIFFERENT PLACES AND STUFF. AND SO, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, HAVING SOME PERSPECTIVE THAT GIVES US THIS LONGER VIEW, YOU KNOW, BROADER VIEW AS THE TYPE OF STUFF WE NEED TO HAVE. WE JUST NEED MORE OF IT. AND WITH THE CONTEXT OF MOVING FORWARD. SO I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THIS. OKAY. YES. VERY SUPPORTIVE. AND ABSOLUTELY. WE'VE BEEN REACTIVE AND NOT REALLY PROACTIVE. ONE OF THE FRUSTRATIONS, LET'S PUT IT A DIFFERENT WAY, THE CITY OF INFORMATION MODELING SOFTWARE. I THINK IT'S A FABULOUS IDEA BECAUSE ONE OF THE FRUSTRATIONS I HAVE HAD IS EVERY TIME SOMETHING COMES IN FRONT OF US, IT'S ON A INDIVIDUAL BASIS, AND WE DON'T REALLY LOOK AT HOW IT'S GOING TO BE TIED IN TO ALL THE OTHER THINGS WE HAVE APPROVED. AND THIS IS WHERE THE TRAFFIC STUDY ACTUALLY CAME FROM, BECAUSE WE WERE GETTING CUMULATIVE, CUMULATIVE, AND WE HAD THE SAME TRAFFIC ENGINEER, AND HE WASN'T TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE PROJECTS, INCLUDING THE HOSPITAL, WHICH I THINK WAS HALF A MILLION. YEAH, I THINK HALF A MILLION NEW JOURNEYS A YEAR, WHICH IS PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL. SO YEAH, I THINK THIS IS GREAT. RESILIENCY IS THE BUZZWORD BUZZWORD. WE'VE AND, YOU KNOW, IS IT EL NINO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE NOW, I CAN'T REMEMBER, BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE MAYBE, HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE A BETTER SEASON. AND THEN THE, YOU KNOW, THE SORT OF TIER TWO THINGS. GREG SHADE TREES, YOU KNOW, I'M A HUGE ADVOCATE OF SHADE TREES. I LOVE THE IDEA OF GREEN SPACES. SO YEAH, DEFINITELY GOT MY VOTE WITH THIS. IT'S HOW WE DRIVE IT FORWARD AND GET THE RIGHT THE CITY TO TAKE NOTICE. BECAUSE ONE OF MY FRUSTRATIONS AGAIN IS WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS TO THE CITY COMP PLAN BEING ONE AND THEY VOTE AGAINST IT. WELCOME TO THE JOB. YEAH. YES. YEAH, I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD IDEAS IN THIS. MY SUGGESTION IS BECAUSE WE'RE AN ADVISORY BOARD, ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, FOR THE PLANNING BODY WOULDN'T IT BE A GOOD IDEA TO KIND OF TAKE THE IDEAS OUT OF THIS? AS FAR AS PLANNING GOES, WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE KIND OF SEEING THE SAME TOPICS, YOU KNOW, FOREVER. THAT'S WHAT PLANNING IS. SO WOULDN'T IT BE A GOOD IDEA TO BASICALLY KIND OF CONDENSE THIS INTO, OKAY, WHAT ARE THE TOPICS THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT AND THEN ALMOST COME UP WITH A CALENDAR FOR THAT WHERE THAT BECOMES A STANDING AGENDA. AGENDA ITEM WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, ONE TOPIC, ONE MEETING, THE NEXT MEETING IS ANOTHER. YOU KNOW, THAT WAY IT CONSTANTLY STAYS IN OUR DISCUSSIONS. AND THEN WE CAN PROACTIVELY ACT AS THAT ADVISORY PIECE TO COUNCIL. BY, YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT THESE THINGS AND HAVING THEM ON OUR FOREFRONT, WE'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE COUNCIL ADVICE. NOW WHETHER OR NOT THEY TAKE IT, IT'S A DIFFERENT STORY. BUT THE OTHER THING TOO, THAT I REALLY LIKED ABOUT YOUR IDEA HERE, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD MAKE THIS HAPPEN IS I DO THINK THAT HAVING IF WE'RE ABLE TO HAVING SOME TYPE OF JOINT SESSION YOU KNOW, MAYBE WITH COUNCIL OR MAYBE EVEN WITH OTHER AREAS OF THE COUNTY, I KNOW THE, THE COUNTY HAS ITS OWN PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. I FORGET IF IT'S CALLED THAT EXACTLY OR NOT, BUT, YOU KNOW, IMPLEMENTING OTHER DISCUSSIONS, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN DO THAT HERE IN THE MEETING, I DO THINK THAT WOULD BE PROACTIVE. SO, YOU KNOW, LOOKING INTO THIS STUFF, I THINK IS GREAT, ESPECIALLY YOU KNOW, IT'S BEING KIND OF GETTING AHEAD OF THINGS A LITTLE BIT, BEING PROACTIVE RATHER THAN REACTIVE. SO IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO IMPLEMENT THAT WITHOUT REALLY CHANGING MUCH OTHER THAN MAYBE JUST KIND OF ADDING A LITTLE BIT MORE SUBSTANCE TO OUR MEETING, I THINK THAT'S VERY BENEFICIAL. I THINK THESE ARE GREAT SUGGESTIONS. HOWEVER, I DON'T, I THINK THERE ARE THINGS THAT INSIDE OURSELVES IN OUR OWN RESEARCH AND WE ALL HAVE BACKGROUNDS AND WE'VE BEEN APPOINTED TO THIS BOARD FOR DIFFERENT REASONS AND FOR OUR KNOWLEDGE AND AREAS. AND I THINK PRIVATELY WE BRING THAT TO THE TABLE. I THINK THESE SUGGESTIONS ARE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING ON OUR OWN TO STAY, STAY ON, ON TRACK. I DON'T THINK IT'S THE PURVIEW OF, OF THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD TO BE DOING THESE THINGS. THERE'S OTHER BOARDS THE CRAB BOARD, WHICH I WAS ON AND CHAIRED FOR QUITE A WHILE. THAT IS REALLY ONE OF THEIR MAIN OBJECTIVES IS FUTURE LAND USE. AS FAR AS PARK AREAS AND COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT THINGS. [02:05:01] AND WE MAKE SUGGESTIONS TO THE CRA, WHICH IS COUNCIL. I THINK THESE ARE ALL GREAT SUGGESTIONS, BUT I THINK THERE'S SUGGESTIONS THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING ON OUR OWN AND NOT USING PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD TIME BECAUSE OUR, OUR ROLE IS RESTRICTIVE AND OUR ROLE IS PRESCRIPTIVE ON WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. AND I THINK WE'D BE MAYBE OVERREACHING A BIT IF WE START DISCUSSING THINGS THAT ARE NOT PART OF OUR PURVIEW. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. LET ME MAKE A SUGGESTION HERE AND THEN YOU CAN RESPOND TO THAT. MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TWO THINGS. I AM CONCERNED THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER GROUPS AND PARTS OF CITY GOVERNMENT THAT ARE DEALING WITH PROBLEMS THAT I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO. THAT'S REALLY NOT IN OUR PURVIEW, I GUESS, WOULD BE MY CHOICE OF WORDS. BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, STRATEGIC PLANNING ISN'T OUR PURVIEW. AND I THINK JUST HAVING AN EYE ASK 2 OR 3 THINGS. I THINK, ONE, THAT WE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM EACH DAY THAT JUST SAYS STRATEGIC PLANNING PERIOD, THAT WE CAN THEN HAVE THESE TYPE OF DISCUSSIONS. I MY SECOND CHOICE WOULD BE TO ASK GREG TO SEE IF HE CAN BRING, BRING THIS REPORT OF HIS DOWN TO PRIORITIES THAT HE COULD RECOMMEND THAT, THAT WE COULD CONSIDER DISCUSSION. AND NUMBER THREE, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE APPROACH THE THE MODELING TOOL. I THINK WE NEED A MODELING TOOL, BUT I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT TO TELL TO MAKE A SUGGESTION TO CITY COUNCIL. AND I DON'T KNOW WHO IS THE RIGHT PERSON TO LOOK INTO THAT FOR. SO, SO THAT WOULD BE, I WAS GOING TO SAY ESSENTIALLY CITY COUNCIL CONTROLS THE PURSE STRINGS. SO CITY COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, DIRECTS THE BUDGET AND HOW THE MONEY IS SPENT. SO IT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION BY THE PAB FOR CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER. AND THEN CITY COUNCIL, AND I'D REALLY BE WILLING TO DO THAT NOW JUST ON A GENERIC BASIS. AND THEN THEY, THE STAFF IS EXCELLENT HERE IN THE CITY. IS THERE SOMETHING SPECIFIC YOU WANT TO KIND OF DIRECT EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SO LONG, LONG TERM, THE IMPACTS OF LONG TERM DEVELOPMENT ON THE CITY. YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IT LOOK LIKE WHEN IT'S BUILT OUT? AND, AND IT'S REALLY HARD BECAUSE I THINK THE MODELING, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU FIGURE THIS OUT AND HOW IT ADJUSTS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING REDEVELOPMENT IN THE CITY MORE THAN WE'RE GETTING NEW CONSTRUCTION. BUT THOSE HAVE AN IMPACT TOO. AND I'M NOT SURE WE'RE THINKING ABOUT ENOUGH. I MEAN, JUST AS A LITTLE ASIDE, I THINK IN THE RESILIENCE IN QUESTION, I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT PEOPLE ARE RAISING LOTS AND GIVING THAT. BUT I THINK ABOUT THE POOR NEIGHBOR THAT DOESN'T HAVE THE ECONOMICS TO ALL THAT WATER'S GOING SOMEWHERE, GUYS, UNLESS YOU'RE PUTTING A WALL UP. SO I, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT FALLS DOWN INTO THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND I DO THINK THOSE DISCUSSIONS ARE HELPFUL BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF APPLICANTS EITHER COMING TO TO RAISE THEIR BUILDINGS, WHICH DOES HAVE AN INTERESTING IMPACT ON THE CITY. AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF US HAVE GIVEN IT ENOUGH THOUGHT. AND SO I THINK THAT WOULD GO INTO SOMETHING UNDER STRATEGIC PLANNING THAT WE COULD SIT DOWN AND DISCUSS. BUT AS TO THE THE MODELING TOOL, I JUST PICK ON GREG AGAIN, IF YOU COULD GET SOME INFORMATION ABOUT TALK TO ANDREW. SEE WHAT THE HELL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. GIVE US A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE EVEN THINKING ABOUT. AND IS THERE A COST TO THIS THING AND WHAT IT'S GOING TO DO FOR CITY MANAGER WANTS TO COME TELL US. NO, BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT. THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. SO WHAT? THAT'S ACTUALLY THE DIRECTION I WAS GOING TO GO IS RATHER THAN IT COME UP DURING COMMUNICATIONS AND THEN DO A CONSENSUS. IF WE COULD ADD IT AS AN AGENDA ITEM, IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SHARE BEFOREHAND AND THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL, INCLUDING FROM FROM A IF WE HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF MR. MAYOR HAD KNOWLEDGE OF, OF COMPANIES THAT OFFER IT, THEN WE CAN DO RESEARCH THAT PRESENT BEFORE YOU. SO IF YOU ARE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL, IT'S NOT JUST BECAUSE IT WAS PUT OUT THERE IN COMMUNICATIONS. YOU ACTUALLY HAD AN AGENDA ITEM, THOUGHT ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE SAME DISCERNMENT THAT THEY ARE AND THEN SAY, YES, BUT WE THINK THE MONEY IS WORTH IT. HERE'S WHAT THE BENEFIT IS. SO I WOULD JUST ASK FOR THAT SO THAT THAT CONVERSATION GIVES ERICA TIME TO DEVELOP. I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. YEAH. AND THEN IT GIVES ME TIME TO EVEN COME BEFORE YOU. IF I HAVE SAY, WELL, THERE'S AN OBSTACLE YOU AT LEAST KNOW BEFOREHAND. SO IT'S NOT AFTER THE FACT AS WELL. SO IT SOUNDS TO ME THAT THAT GREG IS WILLING TO UNDERTAKE THAT RESPONSIBILITY. [02:10:04] GOD BLESS. AND IT SOUNDS TO ME THAT NOBODY REALLY OBJECTS TO HAVING AN AGENDA ITEM THAT JUST SAYS STRATEGIC PLANNING AND MAYBE HAVE A DESIGNATED SUBJECT EACH WEEK OR EACH MONTH IN THERE THAT WE CAN TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT RESILIENCY BEING ONE OF THE ONES THAT WE JUST HAVE IN OUR BRAINSTORMING OR LAYING OUT CONCERNS. I WOULD SAY AS LONG AS IT'S JUST A DISCUSSION, BECAUSE IF IT'S, IT CAN'T BE MAKING DECISIONS, DETERMINATIONS. YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? CORRESPONDENCE. COMMUNICATION IS JUST A DISCUSSION TIME. OTHERWISE, WE HAVE TO SCHEDULE IT AS A NO. BUT WE COULD HAVE IT. I'M JUST USING AN EXAMPLE RAISING THE HOUSES. WE COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE'RE ALL FEELING ABOUT IT. THEN WE COULD DECIDE THAT THERE'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO ABOUT IT, OR THERE'S NOTHING WE WANT TO DO ABOUT IT. AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO ABOUT IT, THEN WE PUT A SPECIFIC AGENDA ITEM ON AND YOU GUYS CAN HELP US WITH IT. AND I WOULD JUST ALSO SAY IF THERE IS A SPECIFIC TOPIC, I MEAN, I CAN JUST PUT STRATEGIC, YOU KNOW, PLANNING OR WHATEVER, AND WE CAN JUST TALK. BUT IF YOU WANT A DOCTOR GEORGE OR SOMEONE, I NEED TIME BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, STAFF IS ALWAYS BUSY AND MIGHT HAVE OTHER ENGAGEMENTS. I'M HERE EVERY MEETING, BUT OTHER STAFF IS NOT SO RIGHT. YOU KNOW, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE APPROPRIATE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM FOR THIS. SO LIKE AT EACH MEETING, WE'RE WE'RE MAKING A DETERMINATION AS TO WHAT THE TOPIC WOULD BE AT THE NEXT MEETING. RIGHT. AND WE'RE ASKING GREG TO KIND OF GIVE US A PRIORITY LIST FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE THAT WE CAN EITHER ACCEPT OR NOT AT OUR NEXT SEPTEMBER MEETING. OKAY. AND CAN WE ALSO ASK ERICA AND GARY IF YOU KNOW, ARE THERE VOID AREAS THAT YOU'D LOVE TO SEE THE PA BE ACTUALLY SPENDING TIME ON TO HELP WITH YOUR ENDEAVORS WITH? YOU KNOW, WITH COLLIER COUNTY, WHATEVER. ARE THERE ARE THERE SPECIFIC? YEAH. ARE THERE PRIORITIES? EXACTLY. I WOULD HAVE THE PRIORITIES DEFINE WHAT THEY ARE, AND THEN WE CAN MERGE THEM TOGETHER, FIGURE OUT WHAT THEY ARE. YEAH. BECAUSE THIS FALLS INTO HOW CAN WE HELP YOU CATEGORY. REALLY. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THE GOVERNMENT AND WE'RE HERE TO HELP. I THINK OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S HAVING A HEART ATTACK. ARE THERE PERSPECTIVES YOU CAN SHARE? GARY, I WOULD JUST SAY, AND I'LL LET MR. YOUNG, BUT I'D SAY THAT'S A PERFECT QUESTION FOR THE BOARD THAT APPOINTED YOU, WHICH IS CITY COUNCIL, RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU ARE THEIR BOARD. AND I'M SURE THERE'S PLENTY OF TOPICS THAT THEY WOULD URGE YOU GUYS TO REVIEW AND TALK ABOUT. SO I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR MR. YOUNG, BUT I THINK THE APPROPRIATE PERSON OR BODY TO ASK IS CITY COUNCIL. OKAY. WELL, LET ME GET BACK TO MY. I THINK MR. FOWLER SHOULD GIVE US A SUGGESTED LIST. OKAY. WE SHOULD PRIORITIZE IT THEN AS A GROUP AND SAYING, HERE'S WHAT WE THINK WE'RE INTERESTED IN. BUT CITY COUNCIL, WHAT ARE YOU INTERESTED IN? AND BUT THAT GIVES THEM A HINT AS TO WHERE OUR HEAD IS GOING. AND I AGREE WITH THAT APPROACH. AND IF NOBODY OBJECTS, WHY DON'T WE JUST MAKE THAT A PLAN OF MOVING FORWARD? AND I WILL ALSO SAY UNDER CONSENSUS, IF WE COULD GET A CONSENSUS THAT I WOULD SCHEDULE AN ITEM ON THE SEPTEMBER 9TH MEETING AN ACTUAL HEARING ITEM TO DISCUSS THE SUGGESTION UP TO CITY COUNCIL. OKAY. FOR THE MODELING SOFTWARE. RIGHT. PERFECT. YEAH. YEAH. CAN YOU AHEAD AND SET UP RESILIENCY AS A SEPTEMBER TOPIC? WE ALL AGREE ON THAT SEPTEMBER I THINK. I CAN'T COMMIT FOR DOCTOR GEORGE. GARY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST IS WHY DON'T WE USE THE SUMMER MONTHS TO COME BACK IN SEPTEMBER TO HOPEFULLY AT THAT SEPTEMBER MEETING, HAVE THE PRIORITIES. WE IRON OUT THE PRIORITIES. YEAH, I THINK THAT. YEAH. AND THEN WE GO TO IF WE CAN PRESENT THAT TO CITY COUNCIL, IF WE'RE IF WE'RE SAYING, OKAY, WE'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THESE PRIORITIES AND WE'RE, WE'RE WE ALL COME TO A CONSENSUS TO DO THAT. CAN'T ONE OF US ACTUALLY COME TO COUNCIL MEETING AND SAY, WE'RE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE PA? BOARD P B BOARD THIS IS WHAT WE'D LIKE TO. YES, THAT'S THAT'S THE BEST APPROACH WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IF COUNCIL DOESN'T AGREE WITH YOUR RECOMMENDATION, YOU HAVE A 12 HOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, MOST LIKELY. SO LET'S JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND DEPENDING ON THE AGENDA. YOU GUYS LET'S NOT LOAD THE SEPTEMBER. YEAH WE'VE ALREADY. BUT YES TO MEMBER BARONE'S POINT THAT IS THE BEST APPROACH IS TO. I AGREE, IDENTIFY A PERSON THEY CAN SHOW UP AT COUNCIL WITH YOUR BOARD'S AUTHORIZATION TO EXPLAIN THE PLANNING BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION. LIKELY HAVE A NUMBER OF QUASI JUDICIAL ITEMS ON THE SEPTEMBER MEETING BECAUSE OF THE RECESS. SO LET'S PUT IT ON THE NOVEMBER MEETING. OKAY. SEPTEMBER IS NOT GOING TO WORK. SEPTEMBER QUESTION IN TERMS OF PROTOCOLS ON SUNSHINE LAWS. SO TYPICALLY I KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO TALK TO EACH OTHER UNLESS AT THE TABLE ABOUT AGENDA ITEMS OR POTENTIAL AGENDA ITEMS. BUT AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STRATEGY AND THESE PRIORITY ITEMS, ARE WE FORBIDDEN FOR TALKING TO EACH OTHER OVER THE SUMMER ABOUT WHAT SHOULD AND SHOULDN'T BE ON THAT PRIORITY LIST? LIKE, CAN I? I CAN'T GIVE SUGGESTIONS TO GREG. NO. OKAY. BUT YOU GUYS ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO HAVE SPECIAL MEETINGS. [02:15:04] OKAY. NO THANK YOU. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BREAK FOR SUMMER. SORRY, ERICA, BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. NO, YOU CAN'T. AND YOU CAN'T USE STAFF OR ME AS A LIAISON TO FILTER YOUR COMMENTS TO ANOTHER BOARD MEMBER EITHER. SO, SO SORT OF WHAT HAPPENED, JUST TO REMIND EVERYBODY THAT GREG CAME FORWARD WITH THESE IDEAS. HE WANTED TO DISCUSS IT. COUNCIL APPROPRIATELY POINTED OUT, NO, YOU GOT TO PUT IT ON AGENDA SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS WHAT THE HELL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. WE GOT IT ON THE AGENDA. SO NEXT TIME WE'RE ALL SIMPLY GOING TO HAVE A. IN NOVEMBER WE WILL HAVE A MEETING WITH ONE ITEM ON THE AGENDA. IN SEPTEMBER. WE'LL TALK ABOUT WHAT IT WILL BE. YES. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SAY PUBLICLY THAT TWO THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE ON THE PRIORITY LIST THEN ARE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL, COMPREHENSIVE PLANS, THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE PRIORITY PLANS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN UPDATED SINCE 1999. AND AS PART OF THAT, A FOCUS ON RESILIENCY, RESIDENT FOCUSED RESILIENCY ITEMS. JUST PUT THAT ON THE I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA IF WE ALL COME WITH PRIORITIES, AND THEN WE KIND OF COME TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT WHICH ONES ARE. SO WE'LL BRING IT TO THE NOVEMBER CITY COUNCIL. DOES THIS EXERCISE WHERE TO CREATE THE CITY COUNCIL PRIORITIES LIST? EACH MEMBER COMES WITH THEIR PRIORITIES. AND THEN THROUGH A DISCUSSION IT'S DISTILLED DOWN TO WHAT ARE THE, YOU KNOW, CONSENSUS. THE TRICK IS WE'VE GOT TO BE, YOU KNOW, PICK THINGS THAT WE WOULD LET'S NOT PLAY DON QUIXOTE, LET'S PICK THINGS WE CAN REALLY HAVE AN INFLUENCE ON WITHIN OUR SCOPE OF RESPONSIBILITY. OKAY. YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE NOVEMBER MEETING? DO YOU MEAN THE OCTOBER MEETING? NO. BECAUSE. YEAH. OCTOBER. I'M SORRY. OCTOBER MEETING. SORRY. SORRY. I WAS THINKING THE OTHER EARLIER. CHANGE THAT TO OCTOBER. SO, GARY, WAS THAT WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO JUMP UP AND SUGGEST IS LIKE THE PROCESS, OR WERE YOU SPECIFICALLY JUMPING UP ABOUT NOT TALKING ABOUT RESILIENCY? I'M CURIOUS. YEAH, I WAS JUST I WAS JUST GOING TO ACTUALLY SAY THE SAME THING. MY PRIORITIES ARE COUNCIL'S PRIORITIES. YOU'RE THERE BOARD. AND THEN PERIODICALLY THEY'LL SAY, MAY SAY SOMETHING, GO BACK TO PAB OR SOMETHING, GO BACK TO ONE OF THEIR BOARDS. THAT'S THEIR DISCRETION. BUT CERTAINLY I WANTED IT'S BEST TO COME FROM THEM. AND RIGHT NOW, FROM FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, AND THE ONLY OTHER TIME THAT I WAS GOING TO WAS REGARDING DOCTOR GEORGE'S, HOPEFULLY NOT FOR SEPTEMBER, BECAUSE WE'RE COMING BACK INTO BUDGET SEASON. THEY'RE COMING BACK IN OUR THREE MEETINGS WHEN THEY COME BACK ARE VERY INTENSIVE WHEN WE COME BACK TO START THE NEW FISCAL YEAR. SO THOSE WERE GOING TO BE MY ONLY STATEMENTS AND BUT I DID WANT TO JUST JUST REITERATE THOSE THINGS. SO BUT WE'RE ALWAYS HERE TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING. BUT IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT COUNCIL NEEDS TO, TO, TO WEIGH IN ON THOSE SUBJECT MATTERS. THANK YOU FOR COMING TO SPEAK TO US. WE APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE TO COME BEFORE THE MEETING? YEAH, JUST A COUPLE OF COMMENTS. ONE I BOTH AGREE AND DISAGREE WITH LUKE'S COMMENTS ABOUT THESE THINGS BEING OUT OF OUR PURVIEW. I THINK THE AND SALLY SAID IT, IT'S, IT'S EXPRESSED IN THE THE CODE OF ORDINANCES AND IN THE CITY CHARTER AND IN OUR TITLE, WE'RE THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. WE SHOULD BE DOING PLANNING. AND SO, BUT I DO AGREE WITH LUKE THAT SOME OF THE THINGS I HAVE ON MY LIST HAVE TO BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF A DIFFERENT GROUP, AND WE HAVE TO SORT ALL THAT OUT, YOU KNOW, AS WE GO FORWARD. SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO I ACCEPT THE, THE TASK OF, OF WRITING UP THE, THE C I'M, AND I'LL DO IT IN A WAY THAT I THINK IS IS USEFUL TO ALL OF US, BUT ALSO ULTIMATELY TO THE CITY COUNCIL IF IT'S GOING TO CONSIDER BOTH IMPLEMENTING IT AND FUNDING IT. AND THE THIRD COMMENT IS SEMI FACETIOUS. AND THAT IS THAT ON THAT SIM ANALYSIS, I'VE GOT TWO MONTHS. IS THERE A PAGE LIMIT ON ON WHAT I, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE? IT'S A JOKE. A PAGE LIMIT. CAN I GIVE YOU A DEADLINE TOO? YEAH. BUT AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION, THIS IS SORT OF FOR MATT. MAY I WRITE UP SOMETHING ABOUT THE THE SIM AND SHARE IT WITH ERICA AND THE CITY MANAGER AND THEN GET THEIR FEEDBACK. IF THEY HAVE TIME BEFORE I THEN DO SOMETHING FOR THE, FOR THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. SO ENGAGING A FIRM, THERE'S A WHOLE PURCHASING PROCESS FOR ENGAGE. I MEAN, THIS WOULD THIS WOULD BE, OH, YOU KNOW, WHEN THIS IS DETERMINED, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO OUT THROUGH THE PURCHASING PROCESS TO ENGAGE A FIRM OR A COMPANY TO DO THIS MODELING. RIGHT. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT THAT I WILL WRITE UP THE REASONS, YOU KNOW, WHAT SIM CAN DO AND THE REASONS I THINK IT WOULD BE USEFUL. THE PIPAB, I'M GOING TO PRESENT IT TO THE THE PAB BEFORE OUR OCTOBER MEETING OR PUT IT GIVE IT TO YOU FOR THE AGENDA. BUT CAN I PROVIDE THAT TO YOU. YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, IN THREE WEEKS FOR YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT AND COMMENT ON AND GET BACK TO ME WITH OUR IT GUYS [02:20:01] TO LOOK AT? YEAH, EXACTLY. YEAH. I WILL HAVE VERY LITTLE FEEDBACK. AND THAT'S OKAY WITH THE SUNSHINE, RIGHT? YEAH, SUNSHINE. AND I APPRECIATE THE QUESTIONS BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE THINKING THE RIGHT WAY. SUNSHINE IS BOARD. MEMBERS. SO HORIZONTAL RIGHT? RIGHT. OTHER BOARDS ARE FINE. THINK ABOUT CITY COUNCIL OR ANY OF THE OTHER ANCILLARY BOARDS. JOINT MEETINGS ARE REALLY WEIRD, RIGHT? COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IF YOU GO TO CITY COUNCIL, YOU MAY HAVE A JOINT MEETING, SO THAT GETS A LITTLE DICEY. BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS EMAIL STAFF. OKAY. AND I LIKE WHAT YOU SAID IF THEY HAVE TIME. YEAH. BUT WHAT YOU CAN'T DO IS EMAIL SOMETHING TO ME AND ASK ME TO PROVIDE IT TO ANOTHER BOARD. RIGHT. SO IF YOU EMAIL ME SOMETHING, I CAN THEN ONLY PROVIDE IT TO THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS IN A PUBLISHED AGENDA AND TALK TO ANDREW IF THERE'S A LIST OF COMPANIES OR SOMETHING IN THERE. WELL, YOU YOU'RE GOING TO EXPLORE IT AND THEN GIVE US A REPORT. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 11 B. [11.B) Provision of May 13, 2026, PAB Action Report and City Council Voting Record through May 20, 2026.] THAT IS. YEP. SO THAT'S JUST THE ITEM THAT I PROVIDE. THAT'S THE ACTION REPORT FROM LAST MONTH. AND THEN ALSO THE CITY COUNCIL VOTING RECORD. ANY QUESTION ABOUT ANY OF THAT REPORT THAT YOU ALL GOT. I'VE GOT A COMMENT. YES. AND THE COMMENT IS THAT WE ASKED FOR AND AND ERICA PROVIDED THE VOTING RECORD WE ASKED FOR AND SHE PROVIDED THE PAB ACTION REPORT. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU BECAUSE IT'S SUPER HELPFUL TO ME. AND I WANTED TO MENTION A COUPLE OF THINGS IN THAT CONNECTION. YOU ALL REMEMBER WE LOOKED AT THE BOAT LIFT ON THE I CALL IT THE SNOOK DOCK WHERE THE PERSON HAD THE PERPENDICULAR DOCK AND THE LIFT. AND SO WE VOTED SEVEN ZERO TO APPROVE THAT. THE CITY COUNCIL VOTED 5 TO 2. AND I LEARNED THAT BECAUSE OF THESE DOCUMENTS THAT, THAT ERICA GAVE ME. SO I WENT AND LOOKED AT THE AT THE CITY COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION ON THAT. SUPER INTERESTING. AND, AND USEFUL. I WOULD, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT IF YOU HAVE TIME TO GO AND LOOK AT THAT, I THINK IT WAS, IT WAS AT THE MAY 20TH MEETING WHEN THEY DISCUSSED IT. AND IT STARTS AT AT THE VIDEO ONE HOUR, 34 MINUTES AND 30S AND IT ONLY TAKES TEN MINUTES. BUT THE VICE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER HAD SUPER GOOD COMMENTS ABOUT IT THERE. I THINK THEY'RE THE TWO WHO VOTED AGAINST IT. AND NO, I'M SORRY. MR. COLE KROLL. I'VE FORGOTTEN HIS NAME. KROLL. HE VOTED AGAINST IT. AND THEIR THEIR COMMENTS WERE REALLY USEFUL TO ME TO UNDERSTAND THE CITY COUNCIL'S THINKING. SO I'D RECOMMEND THAT. AND ONE THING THAT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER SAID IS HE SAID, THIS IS THE WAY I LOOK AT VARIANCES. IF IT'S RESIDENTS, TAXPAYERS. YES. IF IT DOESN'T DO ANY COLLATERAL HARM TO NEIGHBORS OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THEN HE SAID, BUT WITH DEVELOPERS YES, BUT ONLY WITH COMPELLING REASONS. AND I THOUGHT THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD STANDARD FOR I MEAN, WE HAVE ALL THE OTHER LEGAL REQUIREMENTS. BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WHAT I THOUGHT AND WHAT I THOUGHT WAS USEFUL AND I WAS JUST SAYING THANK YOU TO ERICA, AND THEN YOU MIGHT WANT TO WATCH IT BECAUSE IT'S REALLY ENLIGHTENING TO ME. YEAH. AND JUST REAL QUICK ON THAT BECAUSE I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER. YOUR APPROVAL OR DENIAL IS STRICTLY BASED ON CRITERIA, NOT BASED ON APPLICANT, NOT BASED ON CITIZEN, NOT BASED ON DEVELOPER, BASED ON THE CRITERIA BEFORE YOU, IF THEY MEET IT, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO APPROVE IT. IF THEY DON'T, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO DENY IT AND IDENTIFY WHY. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. YEAH. AND I WANTED TO MENTION THAT AS A WARNING. I'M JUST KIDDING. NO, BUT BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING THE WAY HE ANALYZED IT. OKAY, SO THERE YOU GO. DON'T DON'T DIG A HOLE HERE THAT WE MIGHT NOT GET OUT OF. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE TO DISCUSS BEFORE WE ADJOURN? IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. SEE YOU IN SEPTEMBER. LOOK AT THAT. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.