May 18, 2026 City Council Workshop

[1) CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL]

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THIS CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP THIS BEAUTIFUL MAY 18TH, 2026. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER. MARTIN HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. KROL HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ PRESENT. VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP HERE.

MAYOR HEITMANN HERE. THANK YOU. IF YOU'LL STAND FOR THE INVOCATION AND PLEDGE. HEAVENLY FATHER, THANK YOU FOR THIS DAY, THIS BEAUTIFUL DAY. GIVE US THE WISDOM AS WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS ON BEHALF OF OUR TAXPAYERS IN THIS COMMUNITY. WE THANK YOU FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO LIVE. WE ARE HONORED TO BE ABLE TO SERVE YOU. WE'RE HONORED TO BE ABLE TO SERVE YOU WITH THOSE WHO ARE INCREDIBLE, THAT LIFT US UP, AND WE WORK AS A TEAM FOR THE BENEFIT OF THIS COMMUNITY. PLEASE HELP US BE GOOD STEWARDS. AND WE PRAY THIS IN JESUS NAME. AMEN. AMEN. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. GOOD MORNING, MR. YOUNG'S. GOOD MORNING. THE AGENDA. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR.

[3) SET AGENDA (add or remove items)]

SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVING THE AGENDA BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER. ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNED BY I I, I OPPOSED THANK YOU. COUNCIL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY ANNOUNCEMENTS AND PRESENTATIONS. MR. YOUNG, THERE AREN'T ANY ANNOUNCEMENTS. OKAY,

[5) PUBLIC COMMENTS]

JOE BLOEMKER AND I'M GOING TO APOLOGIZE RIGHT FROM THE OUTSET. I THINK I'VE GOTTEN ACCUSTOMED TO SOME NORMS IN PAB THAT SAID SEVEN MINUTES. SO I'M GOING TO I THINK I WAS PREPARED, I WAS GOING TO MAKE IT FIVE. BUT IF I CAN. BUT I'LL SPEAK FAST. YOU FINISH. OKAY. THANK YOU. TWO MONTHS AGO, I SAT BEFORE YOU AS A CANDIDATE FOR PAB. I SHARED TWO PERSPECTIVES. NAPLES IS A CITY OF COMMUNITIES. ALL OF THE COMMUNITIES IN NAPLES, PRIMARILY REPRESENTED BY THEIR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS, WANT THEIR VOICE HEARD. A COALITION OF HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS HAVE BANDED TOGETHER DEMANDING THAT VOICE. AND THE SECOND POINT I MADE WAS THAT NAPLES HAS VERY COMPLEX PROBLEMS TO RESOLVE WITH RESILIENCY, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, WATER MANAGEMENT IN GENERAL, AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE. THOSE ISSUES HAVE HUGE PRICE TAGS MONEY. WE DON'T HAVE THOSE ISSUES. AND OTHERS, LIKE TRAFFIC, REQUIRE COMMUNICATION AND COLLABORATION, PARTICULARLY WITH COLLIER COUNTY. PRIOR TO MY APPOINTMENT TO PAB, I ENJOYED A GREAT RELATIONSHIP WITH MAYOR HEITMAN AND GARY YOUNG THROUGH MY WORK ON THE PORT ROYAL PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION BOARD. SINCE MY APPOINTMENT, I HAVE ENGAGED WITH THE REST OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY TO GAIN PERSPECTIVE. I ALSO MET INDIVIDUALLY WITH EACH OF OUR FIVE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. MY CONCLUSION IS THAT ALL OF ALL OF YOU AND ALL OF THEM WANT THE BEST FOR NAPLES. I ASKED ONE OF THE COMMISSIONERS IF HE WOULD TAKE POINT TO SET UP A JOINT SESSION OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND CITY COUNCIL. HE NOTED THAT IT HAD NOT OCCURRED FOR MORE THAN FIVE YEARS, AND IT WAS TIME. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT INVITE OCCURRED THAT COUNCIL HAS AGREED AND THAT MEETING. A MEETING IS IN THE WORKS. LAST WEEK, THE PAB WAS REMINDED THAT THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION COALITION HAD REACHED OUT TO THE PAB IN MARCH AND TO COUNCIL IN APRIL, REQUESTING TIME WITH CITY STAFF TO BETTER UNDERSTAND THE CHANGES PROPOSED AND THE UPDATED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE POTENTIAL RAMIFICATIONS. THE PAB ACKNOWLEDGED THAT ALL PUBLIC COMMENT WAS SOLICITED PRIOR TO ACTUALLY HAVING THE CURRENT STATE FINAL DRAFT OF THE PUBLISHED CHARTER. THE PAB WAS ALSO REMINDED THAT THE PAB PUBLISHED CHARTER NOT ONLY

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ACCORDINGLY, THE PAB VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO DISAPPROVE THE ORDINANCE PROPOSING THE COUNCIL TRANSMIT THE PLAN. AT THIS TIME. MEETING MINUTES HAVE YET TO BE PUBLISHED, SO I WILL ALSO SHARE MY RECOLLECTION OF THE LANGUAGE FOR THE SECOND PAB RESOLUTION. A VOTE OF 6 TO 1 RECOMMENDED THE COUNCIL DIRECT STAFF TO ENGAGE WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION COALITION, AS THEY HAVE REQUESTED, OFFER AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTARY ON THE CURRENT COMPLETE STATE OF THE FINAL DRAFT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE AND OFFER COLLIER COUNTY AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE FEEDBACK ON AREAS OF THE OF THE PLAN THAT WE SEEK THEIR COOPERATION PER THAT 6 TO 1 RESOLUTION. THE DEADLINE FOR FEEDBACK RESPECTFULLY ALLOWED TIME BACK AFTER SUMMER, WITH A DEADLINE ON INPUT TO PAB TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO PABS NOVEMBER MEETING. THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION COALITION COMMUNITIES WERE THRILLED THAT THEIR REQUEST RECEIVED SUPPORT AND THEY ARE EAGER TO ENGAGE. I SHOULD NOTE THAT THE MOST RECENT ADDITION TO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION IS. AND COALITION IS SUN TERRACE. AS YOU KNOW, SUN TERRACE IS THE HEART AND SOUL THAT MAKES THIS CITY WORK. IT HAS BEEN THE PLACE WHERE WORKING PROFESSIONALS RESIDE, LIKE OUR TEACHERS AND NURSES. I ASK YOU TO PAUSE AND REFLECT FOR JUST A MOMENT. A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION COALITION REPRESENTING MORE THAN 70% OF OUR RESIDENTS, CALLED UPON OUR CITY COUNCIL AND PAB REQUESTING ENGAGEMENT. NEITHER BODY, NO SINGLE ELECTED OFFICIAL, NO CITY STAFF RESPONDED TO THAT PLEA. IF I MIGHT BE SO BOLD. TO ME, THAT SAYS OUR MOST PRESSING NEED ISN'T A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE. WE NEED TO RECOMMIT TO SERVING OUR COMMUNITIES. WITH THAT AS BACKGROUND, WHY AM I HERE THIS MORNING? ONE OFFER AND ONE SUGGESTION. MY OFFER. I AM HERE THIS MORNING TO OFFER MY ASSISTANCE TO THE COUNCIL OR TO THE ASSIGNED COUNCIL MEMBER OR STAFF TO SUPPORT PREPARATION FOR THE JOINT SESSION OF THE COUNCIL AND THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, AS WELL AS WORKING WITH ERICA MARTIN AND THE COUNTY TO FACILITATE THE COUNTY'S REVIEW OF THE COLLABORATION AND SUPPORT WE SEEK FROM THE COUNTY. IN THE UPDATED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. MY SUGGESTION. I AM ALSO HERE TO SUGGEST WE BUILD UPON THE ENTHUSIASM OF THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION COALITION'S DESIRE TO ENGAGE WITH COUNCIL. SUNSHINE LAWS WILL ONLY ALLOW ONE COUNCIL MEMBER AT A TIME TO MEET WITH THE COALITION. THAT ISN'T THE BEST APPROACH. WE ARE A CITY OF COMMUNITIES. IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WHILE THIS HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION COALITION HAS ACTED AS A TEAM THUS FAR, THEIR REAL OBJECTIVE IS FOR EACH COMMUNITY TO HAVE ITS OWN UNIQUE VOICE. IT IS MY SUGGESTION TO COUNCIL, AS YOU CONSIDER YOUR APPROACH WHEN YOU RETURN AFTER SUMMER BREAK, THAT YOU PLAN 15 MINUTES OF EITHER EACH COUNCIL MEETING OR EACH WORKSHOP TO ENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY, OR PERHAPS A FEW OF THE SMALLER COMMUNITIES. BUT THEN, PERHAPS THE MOST EFFICIENT AND IMPACTFUL WAY WOULD BE TO ACTUALLY PLAN COMMUNITIES SESSIONS THAT ARE FOR COMMUNITIES, EITHER INDIVIDUAL OR GROUPS OF COMMUNITIES. IT WOULD BE GREAT. PRIOR TO THOSE COMMUNITY SESSIONS, YOU EACH TOOK TIME.

IF YOU EACH TOOK TIME TO VISIT THAT COMMUNITY. TO REFRESH YOUR PERSPECTIVE ON THE UNIQUENESS OF THAT COMMUNITY, WE ARE VERY UNIQUE. IT'S AMAZING TO ME, THE MORE I LEARN ABOUT NAPLES, OF COURSE, ANY AND ALL COMMUNITIES CAN REACH OUT AT ANY TIME. AS WE LEARNED IN THIS COMP PLAN UPDATE PROCESS, FOLKS HAVE SURVEY OVERLOAD AND DON'T ENGAGE. FOLKS AREN'T GOING TO PARTICIPATE IN PUBLIC HEARINGS, ESPECIALLY IF THEY DON'T FEEL THEIR VOICES MATTER. IN MY OPINION, COMMUNITIES THAT FEEL RECOGNIZED AND COMMUNITIES WITH WHICH WE ARE ACTIVELY ENGAGED WILL BECOME EVEN MORE ENGAGED, MORE SUPPORTIVE, AND IDEALLY HIGH PERCENTAGE VOTING COMMUNITIES. ONE LAST THOUGHT. I'VE ALWAYS BEEN TROUBLED BY THE WAY THIS BODY AND THE PAB TREAT SPEAKERS. FOLKS COME IN AND IN SOME CASES, NERVOUS, EMOTIONAL, MOSTLY PASSIONATE.

THEY GET DONE SPEAKING AND THEY MAY GET A THANK YOU, BUT THERE'S NO ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF WHAT THEY SAID. PLEASE CONSIDER ACKNOWLEDGING WITH A QUESTION, A COMMENT, OR EVEN A DIFFERING OPINION. LET THEM KNOW YOU'VE LISTENED AND YOU APPRECIATE THEIR PERSPECTIVE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND FOR YOUR SERVICE TO AMERICA'S GREATEST CITY OF COMMUNITIES.

SO I AGREE WITH ALMOST EVERYTHING YOU SAID. SOME THINGS I LOOK FORWARD TO

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YOU AS AN INDIVIDUAL. OKAY. I KNOW YOU HAD ONE MEMBER, BUT I'LL EXCHANGE MY CONTACT INFORMATION JUST SO YOU CAN REACH OUT TO ME IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. SO WE CAN COORDINATE A LITTLE BIT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND YOU'LL JUST CLARIFY THAT COUNCIL CAN MEET WITH PAB MEMBERS. I CAN I CAN CLARIFY THAT. ARE YOU ASKING ME NOW? YES, IT DEPENDS. IF WE HAVE A JOINT MEETING ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THEN THAT GETS A LITTLE INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU BOTH WILL BE DECIDING ON SOMETHING. BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO MEET WITH BOARDS MEMBERS INDIVIDUALLY, RIGHT? SO THE KEY WORD IS NOT INDICATING OR SAYING HOW YOU WILL BE VOTING IN THE FUTURE, BUT JUST LISTENING TO SOMEONE ELSE'S PERSPECTIVE. CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I, MY OFFER AS FAR AS PLAYING A ROLE IN FACILITATING THINGS WITH THE COUNTY, IS THAT A ROLE THAT A CITIZEN CAN PLAY? IT'S MORE APPROPRIATE THAT THIS BODY, WHICH HAS HAD EVERY INTENTION WITH THE CHANGEOVER, WITH MANAGEMENT, IT WAS FAR MORE IMPORTANT FOR US TO HAVE OUR CITY MANAGER IDENTIFY FOR US.

WHAT ITEMS ARE OF MOST IMPORTANCE. WE ALSO HAVE OUR OWN OPINIONS OF WHAT WE WANT IN THE JOINT MEETING, AND MR. YOUNG IS WORKING ON THAT FOR THE BEGINNING OF FALL. THAT'S WHAT I WOULD ASSUME HE WOULD BE. THE ONE TAKING POINT. IS THERE CAN SOMEONE HELP HIM IF HE WANTS HELP OR NOT? OH, I'M SURE HE'D WELCOME ANY HELP, BUT YES. MR. YEAH. SO SO I WASN'T GOING TO SAY ANYTHING, BUT BUT I DO WANT TO SAY A COUPLE OF THINGS. I DID RECEIVE THE EMAIL AND I DID RECEIVE THE EMAIL RELATED TO THE COMMUNITY MEETING YOURS, MR. BLOCKER, IN TERMS OF BEING LIAISON BETWEEN THE CLARITY THAT I WOULD SEEK AND I WOULD HAVE DONE THAT INDIVIDUALLY WITH YOU. IS, IS ARE YOU REPRESENTING THE PAB OR WHAT IS BECAUSE YOU DON'T YOU'RE NOT JUST A NORMAL CITIZEN AT THIS POINT. AND SO THEREFORE REPRESENTING THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE FLUSHED OUT. SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I WANTED TO SAY THERE. AND THAT WAS WHY I REALLY HADN'T GOTTEN BACK TO YOU, BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE, I NEED TO VERIFY WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND SO ME AND ERICA DID SPEAK ABOUT IT, BUT I DIDN'T SEND AN EMAIL YET BECAUSE IT WAS A MATTER OF ME TRYING TO GET CLARITY AS TO WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND AS RESPECT TO THE HOAS OR THE OTHER. REMEMBER, WE MEET WITH PRESIDENTS COUNCIL AND PUT THE COMP PLAN BEFORE THEM. I HAVE NOW, ON TWO OCCASIONS TRYING TO SEEK INPUT AS FAR AS MEETING

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THANK YOU. I DON'T WANT TO DERAIL THE AGENDA FOR TODAY, BUT I DID WANT TO THANK YOU FOR COMING IN AND ALSO EMPHASIZE THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL. THAT WAS SET UP JUST ABOUT THREE, FOUR YEARS AGO. THAT WAS MEANT TO BE A BETTER COMMUNICATION BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE HOA AND THE CITY. AND I THINK IT HAS WORKED TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, BUT IT COULD PROBABLY BE IMPROVED. SO TO THE EXTENT YOU AND OTHERS HAVE IDEAS TO MAKE THAT A BETTER COMMUNICATION PROCESS, THAT WOULD BE WELCOMED. YOU KNOW, WE COMMUNICATE A LOT, I THINK, WITH THE PRESIDENTS, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT GOES AFTER THAT. HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WARDS AND THEIR PEOPLE GET UP TO DATE? SO ANY, ANY SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE WOULD BE I DON'T THINK THE PRESIDENTS. WELL, I THINK THERE'S VARYING PERSPECTIVES ON ALL THIS. BUT NUMBER ONE, I THINK THAT THEY VIEW THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL AS BEING GARY'S MEETING WITH THEM, MEANING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEM. AND I, I THE PRESIDENT'S APPROACH IT VERY DIFFERENTLY. I CAN TELL YOU. I'LL JUST BE CANDID. I'VE BEEN VERY FRUSTRATED WITH OUR PRESIDENT PARTICIPATING IN THOSE SESSIONS AND US GETTING NO FEEDBACK. I HAVE BEEN UPSET WITH OUR PRESIDENT NOT ASKING US FOR FEEDBACK BEFORE HE GOES TO ONE OF THOSE SESSIONS. OKAY.

THE COALITION APPROACHES THINGS IN A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT WAY. YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S REALLY VIEWED AS AS WANTING TO EXPRESS ITS VOICE. AND IF I CAN BE BOLD ABOUT IT, THEY'VE FELT LIKE THERE HAS BEEN A BULLY IN TOWN AND THEY'VE BEEN GOING TO THE GYM. I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LIKE READY TO STAND TOE TO TOE AND SAY THERE'S THINGS WE CARE ABOUT. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT THE ONLY VOICE. SO IT'S A, IT'S A DIFFERENT CONTEXT. YEAH. THANKS FOR THE FEEDBACK. YES. AND THE PERSPECTIVE OF BULLY IS VERY INTERESTING. MR. YOUNG AND THEN I HAVE KRAMER AND THEN I HAVE SCHULTZ. SO I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY THE SAME THING I WANT THERE TO BE. HE ACTUALLY. MR. BLANK, I HIT IT ON THE HEAD AS FAR AS FROM THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL. WE WERE INFORMED OF THEM, OF THE WORKING SESSIONS, TRYING TO GET PARTICIPATION, BUT THERE WAS NO DIALOG ON THE CONTENT OF THE COMP PLAN TO DEEP DIVE INTO THOSE PARTS OF THE CONVERSATION. SO IF THAT IS THE INTENT OF THE COALITION AND THE WILL OF THIS COUNCIL, WE'RE ALL FOR THAT. BUT I DON'T I DON'T I DON'T WANT WHEN WE SAID WE WENT BEFORE THEM TWICE, THAT WAS JUST TRYING TO GET ELICIT RESPONSES SO WE COULD GET THINGS OUT. SO WE HAVE NOT DONE A DEEP DIVE INTO THE COMP PLAN IN THE VARIOUS SECTIONS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I WAS CLEAR ON THAT AND NOR SHOULD IT, BECAUSE IT IS NOT A SUNSHINE MEETING. IT IS NOT NOTICED. IT IS. THAT'S WHERE THIS BUSINESS TAKES PLACE AND THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE SHOULD FEEL WELCOMED TO COME HERE AND SHARE THEIR OPINIONS. SO THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG KRAMER. AGAIN, WITHOUT HIJACKING THE AGENDA. WHY WE DON'T DO THIS. SORRY. DEMONSTRATED THE OTHER THING, JUST TO ACKNOWLEDGE, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE TIME WHEN WE'RE IN COMMENTS, WE ADDRESS PUBLIC COMMENT. FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. EACH OF US WILL MAKE NOTES AND THAT'S CREATED AGENDA ITEMS, CREATED ALL KINDS OF THINGS, BUT WE JUST DON'T DO IT IN THE MOMENT. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. WE ARE. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US. THANK YOU. MR. BLOEMKER. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I FOLLOWED A PATH A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN YOURS IN THAT. FIRST, I WAS APPOINTED BY THE COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS TO SERVE AS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COASTAL STORM RISK MANAGEMENT AD HOC ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO INTERFACE WITH CITY COUNCIL, WITH THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS, THE PUBLIC, AND THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS. I'VE GOT GIVEN HAVING. THEY'VE APPOINTED ME BEFORE. I'VE WORKED WITH THEM ALL PROFESSIONALLY FOR SEVERAL YEARS. I APPRECIATE YOUR OFFER AND YOUR YOUR YOUR ZEAL WITH WHICH TO GET INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS. IF IT COMES UP, I WOULD I WOULD PROBABLY BE SOMEBODY WHO WOULD BE

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RIGHT. THAT'S. YEAH. AND HAVING BEEN ON THE PAB AND WORKING WITH THE COUNTY AND NOW AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, THAT WAS ONE OF MY KEY FOCUSES IN RUNNING, WAS TO IMPROVE RELATIONSHIPS. SO I'M GLAD YOU RECOGNIZED THE NEED FOR IT AND BELIEVE THAT FOR THE MOST PART, YOU HAVE A LOT TO OFFER. AND IF THIS GOES FORWARD, I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH YOU IN SOME CAPACITY IN THAT IN THAT ROLE, IF I'M FORTUNATE ENOUGH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU WITH THAT, THANK YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE. I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. HOPE YOU HAVE A GREAT MEETING.

THANK YOU. MADAM CLERK. FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT

[6.A) Interview One Applicant for the Community Redevelopment Agency Advisory Board; One Applicant for the Community Services Advisory Board, and One Applicant for the Design Review Board.]

JESSICA ROSENBERG, DEPUTY CITY CLERK WE HAVE SEVERAL INTERVIEWS THIS MORNING. WE HAVE AN APPLICANT FOR THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY ADVISORY BOARD AND ONE FOR THE COMMUNITY SERVICES ADVISORY BOARD AND THREE FOR THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. I'D LIKE TO START WITH THE CRAB. MR. JOSEPH TURNER IS HERE FOR HIS INTERVIEW. GOOD MORNING. IF YOU'LL JUST COME FORWARD, YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT AT THIS DESK, PLEASE. AND JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS JOSEPH. OH, WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR APPLICATION. AND IS THERE ANY PARTICULAR EYE YOU'D LIKE TO JUST SHARE WITH US ON WHY THIS PARTICULAR BOARD? I THOUGHT IT WAS TIME TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF CIVIC DUTY. I'VE BEEN A CITY RESIDENT FOR ABOUT 12 YEARS NOW, AND I LOOKED AT THE THE WEBSITE AND SAW WHERE THERE WERE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO VOLUNTEER AND MAYBE HAVE SOME IMPACT ON WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IN THE CITY. SO I FELT THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT AT THIS POINT IN TIME TO SEE, YOU KNOW, THE CITY'S GROWING QUITE QUICKLY. SO I THOUGHT IT'D BE IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE SOME OF US STILL HAD A VOICE AND GET INVOLVED, YOU KNOW, THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING HER COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? VICE MAYOR, THANKS FOR YOUR INTEREST IN SERVING. WE ALWAYS APPRECIATE MY PLEASURE. WELL QUALIFIED PEOPLE LIKE YOU GETTING INVOLVED AND HELPING US OUT. THE CRA ADVISORY BOARD ADVISES US ON PARTICULAR ISSUES IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY AREA, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT THE FIFTH AVENUE RIVER PARK DESIGN DISTRICT AREA. SO I WAS JUST CURIOUS, I DIDN'T SEE YOUR ADDRESS. DO YOU WORK IN THAT AREA OR LIVE IN THAT AREA? NO, I, I DO NOT, I DO NOT, I LIVE IN I LIVE IN THE CITY, UP, UP THE PARK SHORE AREA. THAT'S WHERE I LIVE. I, I WORK IN COLLIER COUNTY, I WORK OFF OF VANDERBILT AND AIRPORT. BUT I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE. IT'S STILL AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE CITY. IMPORTANT PART OF. YOU KNOW WHAT I EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW. YEAH. NO, IT'S HELPFUL TO GET DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE, WORK THERE, VISIT THERE. SURE. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A SEVEN MEMBER BOARD PLUS THE ALTERNATE, SO WE CAN HOPEFULLY GET DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES ON HOW TO IMPROVE THAT AREA. I WAS JUST CURIOUS WHAT YOUR PARTICULAR PERSPECTIVE WOULD BE. I SPENT ABOUT 8 OR 10 YEARS WORKING ON FIFTH AVENUE IN AN OFFICE ABOUT THE LAST. IT WAS ABOUT 7 OR 8 YEARS I'VE BEEN UPTOWN COLLIER COUNTY, BUT IT'S ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, DOWNTOWN IS IMPORTANT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, FIFTH AVENUE, THIRD STREET, I DO FREQUENT IT. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF BEING A, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE CITY. SO IT'S IMPORTANT PART OF WHAT MAKES THE CITY OF NAPLES WHAT IT IS. SO I THOUGHT IT'D BE A GOOD IDEA TO GET INVOLVED AND SEE IF THERE'S, IF I CAN MAKE IT ANY KIND OF IMPACT. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. SURE. SCHULTZ. AND THEN, KRAMER, THANK YOU FOR YOUR APPLICATION AND WILLINGNESS TO SERVE. FOR SURE. I TO LIVE UP IN THE NORTH PART OF TOWN, NAPLES CAY. AND SO I APPRECIATE ANYBODY FROM UP THERE WANTING TO JOIN IN. SURE.

I'M PRESUMING YOU'VE WATCHED SOME OF THE SIERRA SIERRA MEETINGS IN THE PAST. I HAVE WATCHED ONE, YEAH. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU BELIEVE COULD BE IMPROVED UPON OR COULD BE LOOKED AT FROM A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE THAT YOUR CANDIDACY APPLICATION FOR THIS POSITION WOULD SEPARATE YOU FROM OTHERS? I WOULD SAY THAT. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE PEOPLE REPRESENT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE IN THE TOWN. I MEAN, TO ME, THAT'S THE IMPORTANT THING MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. SO I HAVEN'T SAT THROUGH A WHOLE MEETING, BUT I'VE WATCHED SOME

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SEVERAL OTHER CITY DWELLERS THAT I COULD, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE, I'M SURE. LIKE I SAID, NOT A DEAL BREAKER. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF SOMEBODY I MISSED. OKAY. YEAH, IT'S JUST A FRIEND.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER CARLTON. YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR APPRECIATE PEOPLE THAT LIKE TO GET ENGAGED IN THE COMMUNITY. IT'S IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY. SO I APPLAUD YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU. BUT WHY THE CRA? I MEAN, THERE'S SO MANY THINGS TO GET ENGAGED IN. I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS. JUST WHAT YOU SEE IS KIND OF A A REAL TARGETED MISSION. YOU KNOW, IN THE CITY. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE THE CONNECTION BETWEEN YOUR BACKGROUND AND. WELL, IT'S ACTUALLY KIND OF FILLING A NEED. SO I HAVE THERE WAS A FEW OPENINGS, SO I, I PUT MY NAME IN THE HAT FOR A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT COMMITTEES. AND I WAS CONTACTED BY JESSICA SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY THAT'S APPLYING FOR THIS COMMITTEE SO WE COULD USE SOMEBODY. SO REALLY, THAT'S REALLY WHAT IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, STEPPING UP AND SAYING, OKAY, I'LL, I'LL CONSIDER IT BECAUSE THERE'S NOBODY ELSE THERE. SO, OKAY. FAIR ENOUGH. THAT'S THE REASON. THANK YOU. NO FURTHER. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT EXACTLY WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER CARL JUST MENTIONED, AND THAT IS PUTTING THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN THE RIGHT PLACE. SO FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTEERING BECAUSE IT'S OUR VOLUNTEERS FOR OUR COMMITTEES THAT DO A LOT OF THE HEAVY LIFTING FOR US. THERE ARE OTHER COMMITTEES. WHAT ABOUT CODE ENFORCEMENT? DID YOU LOOK AT THE POSSIBILITY OF CODE ENFORCEMENT? I HAVE NOT, I HAVE NOT. IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO LOOK AT. WE HAVE A REAL NEED FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO THE THINGS YOU MENTIONED, THE GROWTH AND HOW WE'RE DEVELOPING. BUT AT ANY POINT IN TIME, WE WELCOME YOUR VOLUNTEERING AND WILLINGNESS TO SERVE THE CITY. SO THANK YOU. AND WE MAKE OUR DECISION ON WEDNESDAY. BUT IF YOU WANT TO TALK TO THE CLERK ABOUT OTHER CODE BOARDS OR OTHER BOARDS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. ALL RIGHT. JUST WANT TO REITERATE, JUST HELPING FILL A NEED. THAT'S THAT'S THE REASON BEHIND IT. THANK YOU. SO THANKS. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. OKAY. WE'LL SWITCH OVER NOW TO THE COMMUNITY SERVICES ADVISORY BOARD. AND I'D LIKE TO CALL UP SUZANNE KLEM, WHO'S ACTUALLY OUR CURRENT ALTERNATE. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO CONTINUE. YES. IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SHARE WITH US ABOUT YOUR. WELL, IT'S A WHOLE NEW WELL, HALF OF A WHOLE NEW GROUP, RIGHT. WE'VE GOT SOME NEW FACES HERE. WELL, I SERVED ON IT FOR THE LAST 5 OR 6 MONTHS, I THINK. I'M NOT SURE.

I WAS SITTING HERE TRYING TO REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER OF MEETINGS I'VE BEEN TO, AND I REALLY DO ENJOY IT. AS I MENTIONED THE LAST TIME I CAME, MY YOUNGEST IS GRADUATING NAPLES HIGH ON FRIDAY. CONGRATULATIONS. SO I'VE SERVED ON, GOSH, SO MANY DIFFERENT ADVISORY BOARDS AT ALL THE SCHOOLS. SEAGATE GULFVIEW NAPLES HIGH. IT'S 13 YEARS AT LEAST, AND IT'S GOING TO BE A TOUGH VOID TO FILL. SO THIS IS VERY DIFFERENT, BUT KIND OF A SIMILAR TYPE OF ROLE. AND I'M STILL INVOLVED WITH CHILDREN, IN MY OPINION, AND THAT IT'S THE PARKS. AND I LOVE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE ON THE BOARD. NOPE. NO ONE'S HERE TODAY. SORRY. AND IT'S REALLY COOL BECAUSE WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW, WE'RE DOING JUST INVOLVEMENT IN DIFFERENT DECISIONS AND HELPING OUT. AND WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET SOME DIFFERENT CONTRACTORS AND

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AND I THINK BACK TO WHEN MY KIDS WERE YOUNG AND WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AT THOSE PARKS, WHETHER IT WAS LOUDERMILK, FLEISCHMAN, CAMBIER RIGHT HERE, THEY'RE JUST GREAT. AND I WANT TO HELP MAKE THOSE DECISIONS AND HELP IMPROVE WHAT WE HAVE AND KEEP MOVING FORWARD WITH WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THE GROWTH AND THAT THAT WAS MENTIONED ALREADY. AND JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE KEEPING EVERYTHING THE WAY ALL OF US LOVE OUR EXPECTATIONS. EXACTLY.

SO THAT'S REALLY THE MAIN REASON, AND I DID HAVE A GREAT CHANCE TO SEE HOW IT WORKS OVER THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, WHICH HAS BEEN REALLY NICE. I HAVEN'T MISSED MEETING, ALTHOUGH THERE'S ONLY 5 OR 6, BUT STILL SINCE OCTOBER, THAT WAS IT WAS. IT'S FUN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. I WATCHED THOSE MEETINGS AND I CAN TELL THAT SOMETHING YOU ENJOY. SO THANK YOU. AND YOU'RE BENEFITING THE COMMITTEE. COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? HI, SCHULTZ. THANK YOU FOR VOLUNTEERING TO SERVE AGAIN. I HAVE A DISCLOSURE. I PARTICIPATED IN A WORK GROUP IN THE 2045 PLAN, THE ONE UP NORTH, THE FIRST TIME AT THE LUTHERAN CHURCH. YES. YOU AND I SAT TOGETHER AND WE SAT AT THE SAME TABLE. SO I, I A LITTLE FAMILIAR WITH THIS CANDIDATE, SO I JUST WANTED TO DISCLOSE THAT. THAT'S GOOD. YEAH, YEAH.

THANK YOU. OUTSPOKEN MEETING. KRAMER. YEAH. WELL, IF WE HAVE TO DISCLOSE AND I'M COMPLETELY BIASED FOR THIS CANDIDATE, SHE DOES AN INCREDIBLE JOB AND HAS DONE SO SINCE I HAVE KNOWN HER, WHICH I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER HOW LONG IT'S BEEN. SO THANKS SO MUCH. YOU ARE, YOU KNOW, SUPERSTARS, SOMEONE WHO MAKES THOSE AROUND THEM BETTER. SO THAT RUNS IN YOUR FAMILY.

THANKS. BARTON. WELL, IF WE'RE GOING TO DISCLOSE, I'M. I KNOW COACH PRETTY WELL. AND IF HE'S VOUCHING FOR THIS CANDIDATE, THEN THEN I THEN I HAVE TO SAY THAT IT'S PROBABLY A PRETTY GOOD THING. SO THANKS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR PARTICIPATING. I WASN'T GOING TO HOLD THAT AGAINST YOU. ALL RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO CONTINUE TO SERVE. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, WE'LL MAKE OUR DECISION ON WEDNESDAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. HAVE A GREAT DAY. THANK YOU. WE'LL SWITCH OVER NOW TO THE DRB. I'D LIKE TO CALL UP MR. GERALD MAXON. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. WELCOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, GERALD OR JERRY MAXON. AND THANK YOU FOR HAVING INTEREST IN THE DRB. I WANT TO SHARE WITH US ANYTHING THAT. SURE, SURE. I, YOU KNOW, LONG TIME RESIDENT OF THE CITY, 32 YEARS.

MY CURRENT HOME A FEW YEARS BEFORE THAT AS WELL AS A RENTER. I HEARD YOU HAD A NEED. A COUPLE PEOPLE REACHED OUT TO ME, SAID, HEY, I THINK YOU'D BE REALLY GOOD AT THIS. I LOOKED INTO IT, WATCHED A FEW MEETINGS. YOU KNOW, MY THOUGHTS ON NAPLES. ALWAYS QUITE AMAZED AS I DRIVE INTO. GRANTED, THE CITY STARTS MUCH SOONER, BUT ONCE YOU REACH SEVENTH AVENUE NORTH AND COME INTO THE CITY, I'M 41. THERE'S STILL QUITE A FEW UNATTRACTIVE BUILDINGS, AND THAT'S RAPIDLY GOING TO CHANGE WITH THE FOUR SEASONS. THE PLACE I GOT MARRIED 32 YEARS AGO HAS A BEACH CLUB. AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE SOME OF THE BUILDING OWNERS HAVE MADE EFFORTS. AND AS AN EXAMPLE, TACO. TACO, RIGHT? IT'S A DAIRY QUEEN MY KIDS WENT TO. THAT'S PROBABLY NOT A BUILDING WE'D EVER APPROVE TODAY, BUT FOR NOSTALGIC REASONS, IT'S A GREAT BUILDING. THEY'VE DONE A GREAT JOB. IF THAT WERE TO COME BEFORE ME, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT SELLING OUT OR HAVING SOMETHING REBUILT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE SORT OF BUILDING THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ACCEPT. I KNOW IT VIOLATES A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT WE PREFER NOT HAVE TODAY, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T MAKE EVERY, EVERY LANDOWNER SELL THEIR BUILDING OR TEAR IT DOWN OR IMPROVE IT. SO, AND THEN I ALSO JUST READ THAT SOMEONE'S TRYING TO BRING BACK THE PIZZA HUT'S AGAIN, THAT ONE PROBABLY WOULD NEVER MEET THE CURRENT REGULATIONS. BUT, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE NOSTALGIC OPPORTUNITIES THAT I THINK ARE, YOU KNOW, GOING TO COME BEFORE THIS BOARD IN THE FUTURE. AND BEYOND THAT, OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE GREAT CHANGE ALONG THE ALONG THAT PORTION OF OF THE ROAD. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE SOMEONE LIKE MYSELF, I'M AN ENGINEER, I'M A BUILDER. I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR GREAT ARCHITECTURE, LANDSCAPING, ALL OF IT. I'M AT THE POINT IN MY LIFE WHERE MY KIDS ARE ON THEIR OWN. I HAVE TIME, MY BUSINESS, I'M PASSING IT ON TO MY KIDS. I LOVE THE CITY. I'LL ALWAYS LIVE HERE. AND IT WAS TIME FOR ME TO DO SOMETHING, SOMETHING ADDITIONAL AND SERVE THE COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S WHY I SOUGHT OUT THIS POSITION. THANK YOU. I HAVE A SIMILAR STORY. I WAS ON THE FRONT PAGE. WE OWN A BUILDING AND IT SAID THE BLIGHTED AREA. IMMEDIATELY WE SPRUCED OUR BUILDING UP SO THAT WE WEREN'T THE BLIGHTED AREA

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I MEAN, THERE SHOULD BE LANDSCAPING, OTHER WAYS TO HIDE THESE TRANSFORMERS ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, WHICH I'M NOT AN EXPERT, BUT I'M SURE THERE'S WAYS TO IMPROVE THAT GIANT WALL. THAT'S JUST A BLANK WHITE WALL AS YOU DRIVE DOWN GULF SHORE BOULEVARD IN THAT AREA. AND IT'S RIGHT BY ONE OF OUR MOST BEAUTIFUL FEATURES, OUR PARKS IN THE CITY. SO I JUST ASK YOU, AND I'LL BE ASKING EACH OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES, YOUR WILLINGNESS TO STAND UP AND SAY NO AND PUSH BACK ON DESIGNS THAT YOU DON'T THINK FIT WHAT'S BEST FOR NAPLES. SURE. I MEAN, THIS IS VERY UNFORTUNATE, AND THIS IS EXACTLY WHY YOU NEED ME ON THIS BOARD. WHAT I FOUND, I'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF DEVELOPMENT HERE, AND I'M IN THE PROCESS OF ONE RIGHT NOW IN THE COUNTY. ANYWAYS, WHAT YOU FIND IS THAT PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE PRETTY MUCH DISREGARD AND DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. AND EVEN THE CIVIL ENGINEERS, LIKE THEY'LL JUST DO WHAT'S EASIEST. SO WHAT I'VE LEARNED IN HINDSIGHT IS YOU NEED TO BE MUCH MORE ENGAGED EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS TO MAKE SURE THINGS LIKE THIS DON'T HAPPEN AND THINGS GET PLACED IN PROPER POSITION WHERE IT'S, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, A BLIGHT OR AN EYESORE FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO THIS IS THE EXACT SORT OF THING I WOULD BE COMPLETELY AGAINST. AND IT'S NOT JUST THE TRANSFORMERS TO THE PICTURES, MAYBE TOO CLOSE, BUT THERE'S LIKE A, I DON'T KNOW, LIKE A 30 FOOT WALL THAT EXTENDS FOR A COUPLE OF HUNDRED FEET. THAT'S DISGUISING. I GUESS IT'S THE BACKSIDE OF A PARKING GARAGE THAT BACKS UP TO THE STREET.

AND IT JUST SEEMS TO ME THERE HAVE TO HAVE BEEN SOME ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES THAT COULD HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE WALL TO BREAK IT UP AND MAKE IT MORE VISUALLY APPEALING, AND I CAN'T TELL WHERE THIS IS, BUT OBVIOUSLY THIS WAS A NEWER A NEWER BUILDING. MAYBE IT IS, BUT IT'S STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION. YEAH. I MEAN, THE CODE REQUIRES, AS I UNDERSTOOD IT, SOME SORT OF RELIEF OR UNDULATION, YOU KNOW, MODULATION IN THE BUILDING. SO THIS SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN. AND THIS IS THE SORT OF THING THAT I WOULD NEVER I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING I'LL PICK UP ON RIGHT AWAY. YOU KNOW, WE NEED SOME SORT OF RELIEF, SOME VARIATION.

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THAT'S WHAT WE NEED THE DRB TO DO IN MY OPINION, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT OPINING ON DESIGN AND ARCHITECTURE, BUT WE TRUST EXPERTS LIKE YOU GUYS TO DO THAT TO PROTECT THE CITY. SO THIS IS EARLY ON, BUT I MEAN, THERE COULD BE SOME LANDSCAPING TO HELP BUFFER THIS TOO. AND IF THERE'S SPACE, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE MAY NOT BE SEEING THE WHOLE PICTURE WITH THIS PICTURE. BUT BEYOND THAT, I MEAN, THERE NEEDS THIS NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN SOME MANNER EARLY ON IN THE PROCESS. RIGHT? OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. KRAMER. I JUST WANT TO FOR THE RECORD, THIS BUILDING IS JUST LIKE YOU SAID, THIS ISN'T COMPLETE. I THINK IT'S PRETTY UNFAIR TO EVEN PUT YOU UP AGAINST THIS. IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE LATTICE. IT'S SUPPOSED TO HAVE GREENERY GROWING ALL OVER THE WALL. THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A WHOLE BUNCH OF TREES GOING UP ALL OVER THE FRONT TO COMPLETELY SHIELD IT. SO UNTIL IT'S UNTIL IT'S FINISHED, TO SAY I WOULDN'T ALLOW IT THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF CONSTRUCTION OR TOWARDS THE END OF CONSTRUCTION. I THINK IT'S A LITTLE MISLEADING. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, WE DO HAVE CODES AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO LOOK LIKE THAT. I WILL SAY, IF YOU CAN HELP US DESIGNATE FPL AND ALL OF THE CARRIERS THAT HAVE ACCESS TO ALL OF OUR RIGHT OF WAY TO DO THINGS IN A TO MAKE US NOT SEE ANY OF IT. THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THAT'S POSSIBLE, BUT THAT WOULD BE GREAT. I THINK IT IS GOOD. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I MEAN, I THINK THIS I APPRECIATE YOUR POINT AND I THINK THIS IS, YOU KNOW, VICE MAYOR MAY HAVE JUST, YOU KNOW, IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, HOW WOULD I APPROACH THIS? AND THIS IS NOT THIS IS AN EXAMPLE, OBVIOUSLY NOT FINISHED, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT I WOULD ADDRESS IF THIS WERE TO COME UP JUST IN THIS MANNER. YEAH, I THINK I KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. THIS HAS BEEN GETTING HAMMERED AND IT'S NOT DONE. LIKE LET'S LET IT FINISH. YEAH. THE OTHER THING I WANT TO SAY, I'M ALL FOR FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE AND CAN REMEMBER WHEN THE EBBS AND FLOWS, BECAUSE A LOT OF FOLKS ONLY KNOW THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN. THEY HAVEN'T SEEN IT WHEN THE ECONOMY CRASHES AND BURNS AND WE'RE IN RIFTS AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS HAPPENING THAT AREN'T GOOD IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA. AND I KNOW YOU CAN APPRECIATE THAT. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. WE HAVE TO HAVE SUSTAINABILITY, RIGHT BEYOND A BOOMING ECONOMY. YEAH. THANK YOU. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE AND AND VOLUNTEERING FOR THIS POTENTIAL APPOINTMENT.

AND I'M GOING TO ALSO REFERENCE THIS PARTICULAR PICTURE. I JUST DON'T IN CASE YOU DO GET THIS APPOINTMENT, I DON'T WANT YOU WALKING INTO YOUR FIRST MEETING INTO A LYNCH MOB, BECAUSE THE EXISTING MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE ARE GOING TO SAY, HEY, THIS ISN'T FINISHED. WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU WOULDN'T ALLOW THIS? WE ALSO PAID ATTENTION AND WE REALIZED THIS IS NOT A DONE, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTOOD. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, IT WOULD BE LIKE WALKING INTO A AN OPERATING THEATER AND COMPLAINING TO THE SURGEON THAT THERE'S A LOT OF BLOOD. WELL, THE SURGERY IS NOT OVER, SO THIS SURGERY ISN'T OVER. THEY'RE GOING TO PUT UP LANDSCAPING, THEY'RE GOING TO PUT UP LATTICE. SO AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOUR PERSPECTIVE, AND I ALSO APPRECIATE YOU MENTIONING IN YOUR RESPONSE THAT THIS PROBABLY ISN'T FINISHED. YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S NOT FINISHED. SO AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

THANK YOU THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CARL. AND THEN SCHULTZ, THANK THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ENGAGING. IT'S GREAT WITH YOUR EXPERIENCE AND ALL THAT. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE TO MOVE THE SIDEWALK HERE TO GET SOME A LITTLE BETTER LANDSCAPING. BUT BUT IN ANY EVENT, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT TO THINK ABOUT. I JUST WANT TO HEAR YOUR, YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF REDEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, CITIES BUILT OUT AND ALL THAT, A LOT OF REDEVELOPMENT COMING IN MIND WHERE THERE'S SOME BIG CHANGE. A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT HIGH DENSITY ON SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES. AND I JUST WANT TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS ON THAT FOR DESIGN PERSPECTIVE AND ALL THAT, THAT HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT ARE YOU FOR KIND OF LIKE PRESERVING AND REPLACING WHAT'S HERE OR IMPROVING IT OR THESE HIGHER DENSITY PROJECTS? DO YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE PROBLEMATIC FOR US? WELL, YOU KNOW, I CAN'T PROGRESS IS GOING TO HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF PROGRESS KIND OF DETERMINED BY US.

UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF THE DENSITY IS DETERMINED BY THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY. RIGHT.

SO, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE'S SEEKING ITS BEST USE, HIGHEST USE, MOST PROFITABLE USE THE HOME, THE LANDOWNER IS GOING TO PRICE IT AT A POINT THAT, YOU KNOW, DEMANDS THAT THEY DENSITY IS AS GREAT AS POSSIBLE SO THEY CAN GET A RETURN ON THEIR MONEY. THOSE VALUES ARE OUT OF CONTROL, FRANKLY. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO, TO MODERATE THAT IN SOME MANNER. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO MAXIMIZE DENSITY. I DID A PROJECT MYSELF WHERE I DIDN'T MAXIMIZE DENSITY. I WANTED IT TO BE A BETTER NEIGHBORHOOD FOR THE RESIDENTS. I WASN'T SO CONCERNED ABOUT PROFIT. I WANT TO MAKE MONEY, BUT YOU KNOW, I WANT TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SEEK TO TO PROBABLY MODERATE DENSITIES A LITTLE BIT AS MUCH AS WE CAN. YOU KNOW, CODE OBVIOUSLY ALLOWS FOR CERTAIN THINGS, BUT THERE'S A MANNER IN WHICH WE CAN CONTROL THAT, THAT I'M ALL FOR THAT. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ, THANK YOU AGAIN. I IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME LAST WEEK, I HAD A MEETING WITH A VERY INTERESTING FELLOW. I BELIEVE

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THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO CALL UP NEXT MR. SEAN MURPHY. GOOD MORNING, MR. MURPHY. HOW ARE YOU DOING? WELL, HOW ARE YOU? GOOD. THANK YOU. YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. ANY COMMENTS YOU MIGHT HAVE? SURE. HI, I'M SEAN MURPHY. I LIVE ON BROAD AVENUE, JUST DOWN THE STREET HERE. AND MY YOUNGEST JUST GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE ON SATURDAY. AND CONGRATULATIONS. AND I'M HAVE A LITTLE MORE TIME IN MY LIFE NOW. AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN A PUBLIC SERVANT, AND I'M INTERESTED IN BEING ON THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS.

I HAVE WATCHED PLENTY OF MEETINGS, AND I'M A BIG FAN OF MY COLLEAGUE STEPHEN RUBY, WHO IS HEADS UP OUR COMMUNITY LAND TRUST HERE. I'M NOW THE PRESIDENT OF THE BOARD OF THE COLLIER COUNTY COMMUNITY LAND TRUST. OUR MISSION IS TO CREATE MORE OPPORTUNITIES FOR DEVELOPMENT OF PERMANENTLY AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE COUNTY. AND JUST FROM MY ADMIRATION OF WATCHING STEPHEN AND HOW HE HAS MANAGED THE DRB, I'VE DEVELOPED AN INTEREST IN THE DRB AND I FOUND OUT ABOUT THE OPENING. OUR FAMILY MOVED TO FLORIDA IN 1971. LONG TIME FLORIDIAN. I GREW UP ON THE EAST COAST OF FLORIDA, IN PALM BEACH COUNTY IN NORTH PALM BEACH. TO BE PARTICULAR. I'VE LIVED HERE IN NAPLES SINCE 2019 AND HAVE DEVELOPED A FAIRLY CRITICAL EYE ON DESIGN. MY WIFE IS AN INTERIOR DESIGNER, COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL, AND I'VE ALSO SERVED HER BUSINESS AS A GENERAL COUNSEL, AND I'VE LEARNED HOW TO REVIEW CAD DRAWINGS. I'VE GOTTEN TO BE FAIRLY CONVERSANT IN THE DESIGN WORLD, AS WELL AS THE ARCHITECTURAL WORLD, AND WE'RE ALSO SERVING AS OWNERS REPS FOR A NUMBER OF PROJECTS HERE IN TOWN. ONE'S A RESTAURANT, WE HAVE A CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT BUSINESS CALLED THE GORDON PARKS GROUP. OUR PRINCIPAL PROJECT RIGHT NOW IS A PRO BONO PROJECT WHERE WE ARE DONATING OUR SERVICES TO YOUTH HAVEN, AND THAT'S NEAR AND DEAR TO OUR HEARTS. AND SO PUBLIC SERVICE IS IMPORTANT TO ME. THE CHARACTER AND NATURE OF THE CITY IS IMPORTANT TO ME. I AGREE THAT DEVELOPMENT IS ALWAYS GOING TO OCCUR AND DEVELOPMENT SHOULD OCCUR, BUT IT HAS TO BE DONE RESPONSIBLY AND EFFECTIVELY. AND I AM VERY STRONGLY IN FAVOR OF SUPPORTING THE CONTINUED NATURE OF THIS CITY WHILE PROMOTING DEVELOPMENT WHERE IT NEEDS TO OCCUR. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? VICE MAYOR, THANKS FOR SERVING OUR COMMUNITY ALREADY IN SO MANY WAYS. YOU

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THAT'S A REALLY BIG DEAL. AND A LOT OF FOLKS REALLY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT SERVICE THEY PROVIDE.

BUT YEAH, IT'S AN AMAZING ORGANIZATION AND WE'RE GLAD TO DO IT. WE REALLY ARE. IT'S GOD'S WORK IN THIS COMMUNITY. YES. THANKS FOR THAT. THANKS FOR BEING HERE TODAY. AND THANK GOD FOR PEOPLE LIKE MRS. GAYNOR, WHO HAD THE VISION TO BE ABLE TO GIVE AND HELP AND ESTABLISHING THAT. SO IT TAKES US ALL IT TAKES ALL OF US TO DEVELOP BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY. NO FURTHER. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. IT WAS NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN. I SEE YOU'VE BEEN HERE AND YES, CHAMBERS BEFORE. SO WITH THAT WE'LL MAKE OUR DECISION ON WEDNESDAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

OUR LAST APPLICANT WILL BE MR. JAMES KNAFO. HE'S OUR CURRENT ALTERNATE, BUT HE HAD SOME BUSINESS OVER ON THE EAST COAST, AND HE'S ON HIS WAY BACK THIS MORNING. SO I HOPE WE CAN FIT HIS INTERVIEW IN A LITTLE LATER TODAY IN THE MEETING. DID YOU DO YOU HAVE YOU DISCUSSED THIS WITH HIM OR. YES. AND WHAT TIME WERE YOU? WELL, HE THINKS HE'LL BE BACK AT 3:00. I'M SORRY.

3:00. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, WELL, WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE WE TAKE A MOMENT TO DO THAT INTERVIEW. OKAY. WITH THAT CONCLUDES ITEM SIX. A MOVING TO ITEM SEVEN. A, OUR EMPLOYEE

[7.A) Employee Health Plan Overview Presentation.]

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BUT JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT YOUR AGAIN, YOUR NORM IS, IS YOU ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN THE NORM. TOTAL ENGAGEMENT AT 56%. SO WE ATTRIBUTE THIS TO THE WELLNESS PROGRAM THAT YOU HAVE. SO 56% OF THE POPULATION IS ENGAGED IN THEIR OVERALL HEALTH, WHICH WAS CLOSE TO A 3% INCREASE FROM LAST YEAR AND SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN THE NORM OF 45%. SO THE HEALTH RISK, WHAT AREAS ARE NEEDING TO BE TARGETED? SO 17% OF THE POPULATION IS CONSIDERED OBESE, 16% HAVE HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE, 9% HAVE HIGH CHOLESTEROL, 6% DIABETES, AND 5% OF THE POPULATION HAS A THYROID DISORDER. WHAT THIS? AND THIS IS ABSOLUTELY PHENOMENAL NUMBERS IN TERMS OF YOUR PREVENTION AND WHAT THE TEAM HERE HAS TRIED TO DO AND INCENTIVIZE INDIVIDUALS FOR GOING TO THE DOCTOR IS AT 72% OF THE POPULATION HAD A PHYSICIAN VISIT OVER THE PAST YEAR, 61% HAD SOME TYPE OF PREVENTIVE VISIT, 52% OF THE

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THOSE ARE THE INDIVIDUALS THAT WE REALLY WANT TO TARGET TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE ONE OF THOSE REGULAR PHYSICIAN VISITS, 82% OF THE ENGAGED POPULATION ARE COMPLIANT WITH EVIDENCE BASED MEDICAL GUIDELINES, PHENOMENAL RATE, AND 57% ENGAGEMENT RATE WITH THOSE THAT ARE CATASTROPHIC IN NATURE. ALL RIGHT. THE NUMBERS TO BE REALLY PROUD OF HERE. THE KEY CONDITION ADHERENCE RATES. SO FOR THOSE THAT HAVE THESE FOUR CONDITIONS, WE HAVE COMPLIANCE RATES WELL EXCEEDING NORMS. SO 87% OF THOSE WITH HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE REGULARLY TAKE THEIR MEDICATIONS, REGULARLY CHECK THEIR BLOOD PRESSURE. 95% OF DIABETICS ARE IN COMPLIANCE, 74% WITH DEPRESSION, AND 82% OF THOSE WITH CHOLESTEROL ARE COMPLIANT. THE CITY CONTINUES TO RECEIVE ACCOLADES FROM VARIOUS INSTITUTIONS. THE BELL SEAL AWARD, THE AMERICAN HEART ASSOCIATION HEALTHIEST EMPLOYER IN FLORIDA, AND AS WELL AS YOU'VE BEEN DESIGNATED A CIGNA HEALTHY WORKFORCE DESIGNATION AGAIN. SO A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE WELLNESS INCENTIVE PROGRAM.

IT IS PROVIDING CUTTING EDGE BENEFITS AND A WELLNESS PROGRAM THAT IS FISCALLY SUSTAINABLE TO THE CITY. EMPLOYEES ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLETE A BIOMETRIC SCREENING TO RECEIVE THE CITY'S HEALTH REIMBURSEMENT ACCOUNT CONTRIBUTION TO BE ELIGIBLE FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING, AS WELL FOR WELLNESS WELLNESS TARGETS THAT THEY ACHIEVE. EMPLOYEES AND RETIREES ARE ELIGIBLE. THEY RECEIVE A $100 CONTRIBUTION INTO THEIR HEALTH REIMBURSEMENT ACCOUNT FOR EACH WELLNESS TARGET THAT THEY ACHIEVE UP TO $750. THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE STANDARD OR A PHYSICIAN WAIVER FOR BIOMETRIC TARGETS THAT ARE NOT ACHIEVABLE, AND ENROLLMENT IN THE PROGRAM IS ONE TIME PER YEAR. THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT INDIVIDUALS CAN DO THROUGHOUT THE YEAR TO ACHIEVE THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING INTO THEIR HEALTH REIMBURSEMENT ACCOUNT, OF WHICH THE THE THE HIGHEST TARGET VALUE IS HAVING YOUR ANNUAL PHYSICAL. THEY RECEIVE $250 INTO THEIR HEALTH REIMBURSEMENT ACCOUNT. IF THEY HAVE AN ANNUAL PHYSICAL. THESE ARE. THE WELLNESS INCENTIVE PROGRAM TARGETS ACHIEVED IN DOLLARS EARNED FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR OR THIS PAST FISCAL YEAR. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT 222 INDIVIDUALS HAD AN ANNUAL PHYSICAL, FOLLOWED BY 221 HAVING A DENTAL EXAM. AND THEN WE ACTUALLY HAD A VERY GOOD NUMBER OF MEN HAVING A PROSTATE CANCER SCREENING AT 115. SO IN ESSENCE, THE HRA FUNDING EARNED WAS FOR JUST OVER $450,000, WITH A MAJORITY OF THE EMPLOYEES RECEIVING ALL THEIR TARGETS AT 108. ALL RIGHT, GETTING INTO THE RENEWAL CALCULATION FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR FOR THE HEALTH PLAN, AND BASED UPON THE ANTICIPATED CLAIMS AND FUND BALANCES TO MEET CITY POLICY AND STATE STATUTE, THERE WILL BE NO FUNDING INCREASE FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR. SO THAT MEANS THAT THE CITY'S CONTRIBUTION AND THE EMPLOYEES CONTRIBUTION WILL REMAIN WHAT IT IS FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. THAT IS THE RECOMMENDATION MOVING FORWARD FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. BENCHMARKING. WE TAKE A LOOK ON AN ANNUAL BASIS OF CITIES NEAR AND AROUND THE NAPLES, AND WE BELIEVE THAT THE PLAN IS WITH OR EXCEEDS ALL BENCHMARKING IN TERMS OF NORMS. AND THERE IS NO COVERAGE THAT IS ADVERSE TO ANY OF THE PEER

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YOUR LIFE DISABILITY INSURANCE ARE ALL IN RATE GUARANTEES THROUGH SEPTEMBER OF 2028. THE VISION INSURANCE, THE RATES ARE GUARANTEED THROUGH 2029. AND AGAIN, YOUR MEDICAL SERVICES WITH CIGNA ARE THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH OF 2029. AS IT WAS COMPETITIVELY BID IN MARCH OF 2024. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND I'M OPEN FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE.

THANK YOU. YEAH, I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO SLIDE FOUR FOR A MOMENT, AND THEN I'M JUST WANTED TO SAY THIS. THIS IS THE HISTORICAL TRENDS. AND WHEN WE SAY THAT WE WE'RE RECOMMENDING ZERO INCREASE FOR 2627, IT'S PREDICATED ON FUND BALANCE AND THE SPIKE, YOU KNOW, HILLS AND VALLEYS THAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED. BUT KEEPING IN MIND, IF WE HAVE A SECOND YEAR, LIKE 25, 26 AND 2627, THERE, THERE COULD BE AN INCREASE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN, IN FIVE YEARS. BUT IT IS SOMETHING I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT BEFORE YOU STARTED YOUR QUESTIONS, THIS IS JUST BECAUSE IT WOULD BE 2627. THE TRENDS CONTINUE THIS WAY, AND WE COULD BE IN A RATE INCREASE ENVIRONMENT ON EMPLOYEES AS WELL AS OURSELVES. SO JUST KEEPING THAT IN MIND. THANK YOU CHRIS. YOU'RE WELCOME. VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR THIS GREAT REPORT. I MEAN, WHAT YOU ALL DO FOR EMPLOYEES IS, IS JUST TERRIFIC. THE WELLNESS PROGRAM, ENCOURAGING THEM TO HAVE HEALTHY HABITS THAT CONTROL THEIR WELL-BEING AND THEIR COST. THE CITY COST IS IS GREAT. AND BEING ABLE TO HOLD THE COST TO EMPLOYEES FLAT IN THIS TIME OF EXTREME INFLATION AND COST OF LIVING INCREASES IS A REALLY GOOD BENEFIT FOR EMPLOYEES, AND YOU'RE STILL MAINTAINING THE LEVEL OF BENEFITS. YOU'RE NOT CUTTING BACK ON BENEFITS. SO I THINK THOSE ARE JUST GREAT, GREAT RESULTS, GREAT IMPACTS. DO YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS? SURE. SO ON SLIDE 14, NO. 13, THE LAST BULLET SAYS OUR COST FOR SINGLE PEOPLE IS HIGHER THAN OUR PEERS. IS IT SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER? IS IT AFFECTING RECRUITING OR RETENTION? ARE WE AT A DISADVANTAGE? CHRISTIAN. SO IN TERMS OF YOUR OF YOUR PEER GROUP, A LOT OF CITIES OFFER

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BUT MY QUESTION IS, DOES IT AFFECTING OUR ABILITY TO RECRUIT? OH NO, NOT NOT AT ALL.

AND THE SINGLE COVERAGE IT'S $56.47 PER PAYCHECK. SO I MEAN YES, IT'S VERY MINIMAL AMOUNT, VERY COMPETITIVE. I CAN'T RECALL OF ANY NEW HIRE COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT. FOR THE SINGLE COVERAGE. IT'S QUITE THE OPPOSITE. MANY OF THEM SEEK EMPLOYMENT HERE BECAUSE OF OUR ROBUST HEALTH AND BENEFITS PROGRAM. OKAY. AND THEN I NOTICE OUR LEADING WE CALL IT ILLNESS OR SITUATION IS OBESITY. DO WE PROVIDE COVERAGE FOR DOCTOR MANAGED WEIGHT LOSS DRUGS? NO, YOU DO NOT. WE MAY WANT TO DO THAT. IT'S FROM WHAT I'M READING. A LOT OF COMPANIES ARE DOING THAT AND IT DOES HAVE BENEFITS. I'M SURE THERE'S ALSO CONS TO IT, BUT AT LEAST TO IF YOU HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT, TO THINK ABOUT IT AND SEE, THAT COULD BE ANOTHER ATTRACTIVE BENEFIT FOR EMPLOYEES THAT WOULD IMPROVE THEIR WELLNESS AND WELL-BEING AND QUALITY OF LIFE. YEAH, WE DID TALK ABOUT IT THIS YEAR THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GLP ONES.

YEAH. OUR PLAN COSTS WOULD PROBABLY SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE GO THROUGH THE ROOF. RIGHT? SO WE SO GLP ONE MEDICATIONS THROUGH A HEALTH PLAN ARE GOING TO COST ANYWHERE BETWEEN 1000 AND $1200 PER MONTH. SO IT'S A SIGNIFICANT COST. SO WHAT SOME EMPLOYERS HAVE DECIDED TO DO IS SINCE IT'S NOT COVERED, THEY ACTUALLY WILL WORK DIRECTLY WITH A GLP ONE MANUFACTURER TO PURCHASE IT DIRECT, WHICH LOWERS THE COST. BUT NOW IN THE LANDSCAPE OF THE ORAL MEDICATIONS COMING OUT THIS YEAR, COSTS ARE GOING TO SIGNIFICANTLY DROP. AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT IT MAY BE A NEW NORMAL FOR THE NET, NOT THIS COMING FISCAL YEAR, BUT IN 2027, WHERE COSTS HAVE COME DOWN INTO THE COUPLE HUNDRED DOLLARS RANGE WHERE IT WOULD BECOME AFFORDABLE FOR THE CITY. ALSO, EMPLOYEES ARE ABLE TO ACCESS NOW THERE'S NEW PROGRAMS THROUGH WEIGHT WATCHERS, THROUGH HIMS HERS. WHERE THE COSTS ARE BELOW $200 A MONTH.

YEAH, I'D SEEN A LOT OF NEWS COVERAGE ABOUT THE COST COMING DOWN SIGNIFICANTLY, BUT WASN'T SURE IF THAT'S ALREADY IN EFFECT OR THAT'S STILL TO COME. IT'S IT'S COMING, IT'S IT'S COMING. SO WE CAN MONITOR THAT AND BE READY TO ACT BECAUSE IT OBVIOUSLY CAN HAVE A VERY POSITIVE IMPACT TO MAKE THAT AVAILABLE TO EMPLOYEES. SO, OKAY. AND YOU ALSO MENTIONED THE CAT CLAIMS GOING UP. CAN YOU REMIND ME WHAT OUR CAT COVERAGE IS ON HOW WE CONTROL.

SO FOR THE SPECIFICS OF THIS REPORT THAT YOU SAW HERE, A CATASTROPHIC CLAIM IS CONSIDERED $50,000. HOWEVER, THE CITY DOES BUY REINSURANCE AND THAT DEDUCTIBLE IS $175,000.

SO THE CITY COVERS 100% OF THE FIRST 175,000 IN A FISCAL YEAR. AND ONCE ANY PERSON EXCEEDS 175,000, THAT IS REIMBURSED TO THE CITY, AND WHEN 75 PER PERSON. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. GOOD WORK. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER. YEAH. JUST THE VICE MAYOR'S COMMENT. HAVING COME FROM A SYSTEM WHERE SINGLE EMPLOYEES WERE COVERED AS COUNCILMAN SCHULTZ SAYS, SOMEBODY HAS TO PAY THAT FREIGHT, AND IT WINDS UP

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BECAUSE I TO ME, DENTAL IS VITAL TO YOUR HEALTH. PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE IT, BUT IT IS KEY.

AND SO I JUST IT'S CONCERNING THAT WE ARE GOING TO. WE'VE SEEN AN INCREASE IN DENTAL, WHICH THAT'S THAT'S AN INCREASE. CORRECT. IN, IN DENTAL VISITS OR DENTAL PROVIDING. CORRECT. I THINK. OR HAS IT ALWAYS BEEN THAT HIGH? NO. YEAH. OKAY. THERE'S AN INCREASE. YEAH. I JUST WOULD CAUTION US TO MAKE SURE WE CAN DO EVERYTHING TO KEEP THOSE RATES DOWN. SO WE GET THAT PARTICIPATION AND THEN VISION. SO WE DON'T HAVE VISION. YOU DO OKAY. BUT THE EMPLOYEES PAY FULLY FOR VISION. YES. OKAY. SO I DIDN'T THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T SEE INCENTIVES. IS THAT PART OF OUR INCENTIVE PROGRAM FOR EMPLOYEES FOR TO GO CHECK FOR VISION SCREENING? NO, IT IS NOT.

OKAY. SO THE VISION IS 100% PAID BY THE EMPLOYEE. YEAH, I JUST YOU SAID IT QUIETLY, BUT I WANT TO YOU WE THE EMPLOYEE PAYS 100% FOR VISION. CORRECT. WHICH COULD BE VERY EXPENSIVE, BUT WE DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY WE HAVE HAVE WE DONE ANY TYPE OF SURVEYS WITH OUR EMPLOYEES TO FIND OUT IF THEY ARE ACTUALLY GOING FOR VISION SCREENING? WE CAN GET UTILIZATION FOR YOU AND REPORT BACK. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. JUST FOR OUR RENEWAL. THAT WOULD BE OKAY. GOOD. AND. THERE'S ONE OTHER QUESTION. OH, MAMMOGRAMS. MAMMOGRAMS SEEM VERY LOW IN VISITS. THAT'S KIND OF A ROUTINE CHECK. DO YOU HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON WHY? SO WHEN WE WERE SPEAKING WITH THE CIGNA MEDICAL DIRECTOR, THEY BELIEVE THAT THIS WAS JUST A WHEN THE

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[7.B) Discussion on Increasing Building Department Building Permitting Fees for the Purpose of Cost Recovery.]

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CHAPTER TWO IS 50%. CHAPTER 46, 49%, 54 WAS 42%, CHAPTER 56 WAS 64% AND THE CITY WAS WAS WAY UNDER WHERE EVERYBODY ELSE IS. I MEAN, THERE WERE A LOT OF, LOT OF SERVICES WE OFFERED THAT WE WEREN'T CHARGING FOR OR UNDERCHARGING FOR. AND, AND SO THOSE, THOSE INCREASES WERE, WERE NECESSARY TO, AGAIN, MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE. AND SO NOW IT'S OUR TURN. I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST FROM 2023 UNTIL NOW, WE'VE SEEN SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN THE IN THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. I'VE GOT ONE OF THE ATTACHMENTS I'VE GOT FOR YOU. I JUST KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE MAIN AREAS, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WAGES AND SALARIES ARE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. THAT'S AN AREA WHERE WE HAVE IN OUR BUDGET TO ALLOW US TO STAFF UP WHEN WE NEED ADDITIONAL HELP. WE HAVE BIG PROJECTS AND WE NEED EITHER MORE HELP WITH REVIEWS OR INSPECTIONS. WE CAN CALL UPON A, A VENDOR THAT'S CARRIES THE LICENSES THAT CAN BE PLUGGED IN AND ASSIST US. AND WE DO UTILIZE THAT. THE AGAIN, CHARGES FIRE INSPECTORS, OUR SOFTWARE SYSTEM IS, IS, IS A VERY GOOD SYSTEM AND WE'RE CONSTANTLY WORKING ON IMPROVING IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S INCREASES IN THAT AREA AS WELL.

SO THE AMOUNT THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO RECOVER IS BASED ON THOSE INCREASES, IS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF ABOUT $2 MILLION. AND IF YOU LOOK AT AND AGAIN, I'M BASING DOING THE MATH ON REVENUES. AND OF COURSE, THE PAST YEAR OF OF PERMITS. SO, YOU KNOW, THE WHEN I STARTED THIS PROCESS OF LOOKING AT THE FEES, THE, THE LAST COMPLETE YEAR I HAD WAS THE 23 AND 24 YEAR. AND THAT'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, BASED ON THE NUMBERS OF THOSE PERMITS AND RUNNING THE

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AND IT AND IT WITH OUR FEE INCREASE, WHICH. THE COUNTY HAD WON IN OCTOBER, THAT WENT INTO EFFECT JANUARY 1ST. EVEN AFTER THAT FEE INCREASE WITH THE COUNTY, IT PUTS US PRETTY, PRETTY MUCH IN LINE WITH OUR NEIGHBORS. AND ALTHOUGH I NEVER. I LIKE TO SAY THAT WE REALLY DON'T LOOK AT FEES TO TRY TO KEEP UP AND KEEP UP WITH THE NEIGHBORS BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S DEPARTMENTS ARE DIFFERENT, OUR COSTS ARE DIFFERENT, AND OUR CITIES ARE DIFFERENT. WHAT IT TAKES TO SERVICE OUR PERMITS ARE DIFFERENT, BUT IT IS NICE JUST TO COMPARE, TO SEE THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WITHIN MARKET AND, AND THEN ALSO, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA ON A TYPICAL 2500 SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, IF WE HAD ONE, THE INCREASE ON A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE IS AROUND $1,000. AND WHAT GOES TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. AND THEN ON A COMMERCIAL 100 ZERO SQUARE FOOT HOUSE, I BELIEVE I HAVE A NUMBER OF 4000 IS, IS, IS HOW THAT CHANGE WOULD AFFECT A PROJECT OF THAT SIZE. SO IT, IT, IT KEEPS US, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE MARKET AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHERE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES ARE AT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE IN THE CITY OF NAPLES ARE, ARE BUILDERS AND OUR RESIDENTS REALLY EXPECT AND DEMAND A HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE.

AND, AND I THINK WE PROVIDE THAT THERE'S ALWAYS A PUSH FROM THE STATE TO SPEED THAT UP AND DO MORE FASTER. AND I WILL SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH STAYING IN OUR OUR TIMELINES AND SERVICING THESE PERMITS AS, AS, AS THEY GET BIGGER AND MORE COMPLICATED, WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE THE PROPER STAFF IN BETWEEN 2023. AND NOW I DID ADD THREE POSITIONS IN THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT THAT THAT HAS HELPED US MEET THAT NEED. AND LIKE I SAID, ONE OF THE AREAS IN THE BUDGET THAT'S GONE UP IS IN THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, WHICH ALSO, AGAIN, HELPS PROVIDE THE STAFF WE NEED TO SERVICE OUR PERMITS. SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO JUST OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THIS IS A VERY LARGE DEPARTMENT WITH A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY, AND I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS, BUT WE'LL START WITH SCHULTZ AND THEN BARTON. THANK YOU, MR. BECKMAN. WHEN I WAS ON BOARD, I CAME AND VISITED WITH YOU FOLKS.

WAS I CORRECT WHEN I. I HEARD THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY EXCESS REVENUES GENERATED BY YOUR DEPARTMENT. COME BACK TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS OR TO MR. YOUNG'S OVERALL BUDGET. THAT'S NOT CORRECT. THE FEES. SO THE BILLING DEPARTMENT IS SELF-FUNDED THROUGH PERMIT FEES, AND THOSE FEES ARE ARE TO ONLY COVER THE COST OF ENFORCING THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE AND SERVICING THE CODE ENFORCEMENT TO A DEGREE THAT RELATES OR IS IS ABOUT NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO THOSE FEES CAN COVER ALL REVIEWS AND INSPECTIONS FOR BOTH BUILDING AND FIRE. FIRE REVIEWERS AND INSPECTORS ARE IN OUR BUDGET, BUT THOSE FEES ARE ONLY TO BE USED FOR THAT PURPOSE. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THEN ALSO, WE'RE ONLY ALLOWED TO MAINTAIN AT ANY ONE GIVEN POINT IN TIME, THE AVERAGE OF OUR PREVIOUS FOUR YEARS OPERATING BUDGET IN OUR FUND.

SO WE, YOU KNOW, IF WE EXCEED THAT, THEN WE HAVE TO EITHER REDUCE OUR FEES OR REFUND. SO WE'RE WE'RE WITHIN THAT. ACTUALLY, OUR FUND BALANCE IS KIND OF TICKED DOWN A BIT BECAUSE WE'VE SET SOME MONEY ASIDE THAT WAS IN THAT FUND. WE, WE NEVER EXCEEDED IT. WE WERE GETTING TO A POINT WHERE WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE ON THE HIGHER SIDE. AND WE, YOU KNOW, KNOWING THAT WE NEEDED SPACE AND, AND HAVING TO COME UP WITH MORE SPACE IN OUR BUILDING AND PROVIDE FOR OUR DEPARTMENT, WE DID START SETTING ASIDE SOME FUNDS FOR A NEW BUILDING, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT ALSO TODAY WHEN WE'RE IN OUR CIP, THAT THERE WAS A CHANGE IN THE LAW THIS YEAR THAT BASICALLY SAID, NOW, NOW YOU CAN'T USE THEM FOR A NEW BUILDING, BUT YOU CAN USE THEM TO RENOVATE OR ADD, YOU KNOW, DO WHAT YOU NEED TO, TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE YOUR

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SHE COULDN'T USE ANY FIRE FUNDS. SO THAT IS THE CRITERIA UPON WHICH THEY ARE DEFINED. AND THAT'S WHERE THE STATE STATUTE COMES IN THAT STEVE WAS REFERRING TO. SO THERE ARE LIMITATIONS, BUT YOUR OWN ORDINANCES ALREADY SET THEM ASIDE IN THIS SPECIFIC FUND FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE. OH, BY THE WAY, THAT THAT IS ALSO CONTROLLED BY SOMEWHAT BY STATE LEGISLATURE THAT SAYS IT MUST BE TO INCREASE CAPACITY. FOR EXAMPLE, PARKS, YOU CAN PUT YOU CAN BUY A PIECE OF LAND, INCREASE YOUR PARK SPACE, YOU COULD TAKE A PIECE, A PARCEL OF LAND AND PUT IN A NEW PLAYGROUND BECAUSE IT'S NEVER HAD ONE. BUT YOU CAN'T REPLACE A PLAYGROUND. YOU CAN'T REPLACE A BUILDING THAT'S BEEN THERE UNLESS YOU'RE INCREASING YOUR CAPACITY TO HANDLE MORE AND TO DELIVER MORE. SO THAT'S WHAT IMPACT FEES ARE. THAT'S THEIR PROTECTION AND THE PURPOSE FOR WHICH THEY'RE SET ASIDE. THANK YOU TO THAT, MR. YOUNG. BEING THAT WE CAN'T EXPAND OUR BEACHES, COULD WE BUY PROPERTY ON THE BEACH WITH IMPACT FEES? IF YOU DESIGNATE IT AS A PARK LIKE LOUDERMILK, YOU ABSOLUTELY CAN. BUT I SUBMIT THAT THE AMOUNT OF IMPACT FEES YOU HAVE IN YOUR PARK FUND ARE COMPLETELY DEFICIENT TO BE ABLE TO, I THINK THERE'S LIKE 400 000. SO BUT BUT IT'S A GOOD THOUGHT. YES, MA'AM. YES. SO THE SECOND PIECE OF THAT IS THE COUNTY DETERMINES OR THE STATE DETERMINES HOW MUCH OR THE AMOUNT OF ROADS WE DEVELOP DETERMINES OUR IMPACT FEES. CAN YOU JUST YES. THIS IS A CONVERSATION THAT NEED TO HAVE WITH THE COUNTY. YOU CAN'T HAVE TWO IMPACT FEES ON TOP OF EACH OTHER. SO WHEN A JURISDICTION LIKE THE COUNTY IMPOSE IMPACT FEES, THEN THEY SHARE A PORTION OF THAT WITH US. AND SO WHEN STEVE SAID WE'RE COLLECTING FOR WHATEVER ENTITY WE ALSO COLLECT WHEN WHEN IT'S PASSED THROUGH CITY VIEW, HE'LL TAKE OUR PIECES OF LEGISLATION AND COLLECT FOR THAT. HE'LL ALSO COLLECT FOR THE SCHOOLS. HE'LL COLLECT FOR THE STREETS. WHAT OUR AGREEMENT IS WITH THE COUNTY IS IT'S THE SAME AGREEMENTS BEEN PLACED FOR MANY YEARS, WHICH IS TO SAY THAT THEY WOULD DISTRIBUTE $200,000 ANNUALLY THAT WE RETAIN FOR THE FOR THAT PURPOSE OF IMPACT FEES. NOW, THE DIFFERENCE IS, AND SOME WOULD SAY, WELL, LET'S NEGOTIATE THAT TO BE A HALF MILLION. I WOULD ARGUE I'D RATHER THEM GIVE ME AN EXTRA HALF MILLION IN GASOLINE OR OTHER TAXES, BECAUSE IMPACT FEES SAYS IT CAN ONLY BE TO INCREASE OUR CAPACITY AND OUR CAPACITY. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF ROAD EXPANSION. RIGHT. SO SO THE DEFINITION OF CAPACITY GETS I'D RATHER HAVE IT FOR MAINTENANCE AND REPAIR THAN I WOULD FOR CAPACITY, BECAUSE WE DON'T BROADEN AND INCREASE THE SIZE OF OUR CAPACITY AND ROADS VERY OFTEN. SO IT IS A LEGITIMATE POINT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THINGS. I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I WOULDN'T HANG MY HAT ON IMPACT FEES TO GIVE ME OPERATIONAL AND MAINTENANCE ON MY STREETS. RIGHT? SO THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE COMES FROM GAS TAX FROM. YEAH, THE SHARED VARIOUS STATE AND LOCAL GAS TAX, ETC. AND IS THAT NEGOTIABLE? WELL,

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AND SO THE NEXT TIME IT COMES AROUND, I EXPECT THERE TO BE A LARGE PROPORTION, POTENTIALLY A LARGER PROPORTIONAL SHARE. BUT BUT THAT THAT REVIEW WAS BASED ON THE PRIOR FIVE. AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT FOR FOCUSING IN ON INCREASING THAT NEED AND THAT FUND. YOU SAID SOMETHING ELSE ABOUT IMPACT FEES, PARKS, POLICE AND FIRE. YES. SO HOW DO YOU DETERMINE THE FACT THAT WE NEED MORE POLICE AND FIRE FOR IMPACT FEES? I MEAN, IT'S THAT'S A CONSTRUCTION OF AN EQUIPMENT EQUIPPING. IT'S NOT TO PAY THE SALARIES OF THEM. BUT WE'VE THE LAST ANALYSIS WAS DONE WAS FOR SPECIFIC PURPOSES AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I'M NOT GOING TO KNOW THE IMPACT FEES WOULD BE AS IF WHEN, WHEN WE GOT READY TO DO A NEW FIRE STATION OR A NEW POLICE STATION, DO WE HAVE THE BANDWIDTH? IS IT JUST REPLACING LIKE FOR LIKE, OR IS IT INCREASING CAPACITY? THAT'S WHERE YOU YOU'LL GO INTO IT. AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT EQUIPPING IN THE CIP LATER TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE REFERENCE TO EQUIPPING OUR MEDIC UNITS TO BE ABLE TO TRANSPORT. THAT'S A CAPACITY IT DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE, RIGHT? THAT'S WHY THAT BECOMES ADDING EQUIPMENT OR FACILITIES THAT PROMULGATES YOU TO HAVE MORE ABILITY OR MORE CAPACITY TO SERVE. SO IT'S NOT ABOUT PERSONNEL AS MUCH AS IT WOULD BE ABOUT THE OTHER. GOT IT. LIKE A FUTURE POLICE STATION. POLICE STATION EQUIPMENT FOR YEAH. OKAY. DID I HAVE FIRST? PARDON? THANK YOU. STEVE. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. I REALLY JUST WANT TO CLARIFY A FEW THINGS JUST SO WE GOT IT OUT ON CAMERA AND FOR THE PUBLIC. SO IT'S BEEN WE'RE WE'RE STICKING WITH THE SQUARE FOOTED APPROACH TO THIS PROCESS. THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY. AND BY THE WAY, I'LL MAKE STATEMENTS HERE THAT ARE REALLY QUESTIONS. SO PLEASE JUST INTERRUPT ME. IF I IF I MAKE A STATEMENT THAT'S NOT ACCURATE. SO WE'RE STICKING WITH SQUARE FOOTAGE APPROACH. AND YOU SAID THAT WE ARE ADJUSTING FIXED FEES AS WELL AS THE PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT. OR ARE WE ONLY INCREASING FEES ON THE, ON THE PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT, ONLY ON THE PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT. THE FIXED FEES ARE REMAINING AS WE HAVE THEM NOW. OKAY, GREAT. AND THEN YOU SAID THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANGE TO THAT PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT SINCE 2008. THE PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT, THE. SINCE 2001, 2001, 2001 ON THE PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT. 2008.

THERE WAS A. BASICALLY, IT WAS FROM 2008 TO 2018 WHERE WE WENT WITHOUT ANY FEE ADJUSTMENT. SO OKAY, SO IT'S BEEN 25 YEARS SINCE WE'VE ADJUSTED THIS PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT, CORRECT? ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S BEEN A WHILE. SO WE'RE CURRENTLY AT $0.35, $0.50, $0.50 NOW. NOW LET ME CLARIFY THAT MOST OF THE PERMITS ARE AT $0.50. THERE ARE SOME THAT HAVE A DIFFERENT NUMBER SITE WORK PERMITS. THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHERS THAT ARE ARE AT A SMALLER AMOUNT, BUT THE BULK OF THEM ARE AT $0.50. OKAY. AND THEN IN ORDER TO MEET WHAT WHAT WE'RE RUNNING, WE'RE RUNNING OUR, OUR DEPARTMENT IN A DEFICIT BASED ON THE CURRENT PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT, WHICH IS WHY WE NEED TO INCREASE THE PRICE PER SQUARE FOOT. THAT'S CORRECT. AND WHAT INCREASE IS IT? A 58% INCREASE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IT? YES. ROUGHLY. YES. OKAY. ROUGHLY, WHICH IS YEAH. CLOSE ENOUGH. ALL RIGHT. SO AND THEN THE WHOLE POINT THOUGH, AGAIN, JUST TO GIVE EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, A BRIEF CIVICS LESSON HERE, WE'RE NOT DOING THIS IN ORDER TO STUFF THE COFFERS OF OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT. WE'RE DOING THIS IN ORDER TO COVER THE COSTS OF OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT. THAT'S CORRECT. AND I'D LIKE TO ALSO SAY THAT PERCENT INCREASE IS THE PERCENT ON THAT BASE FEE PORTION. WE LIKE I SAID, IT'S THREEFOLD. WE'VE GOT REVIEW FEES, INSPECTION FEES, AND THE BASE FEE. THE INSPECTION FEES ARE NOT CHANGING. THEY THEY WERE ADJUSTED IN 2025 FROM THE 35 TO $70 INSPECTION AND THE REVIEW FEE. ALTHOUGH I'M CHANGING THE STRUCTURE, I'M HOPING THAT THE RESULT IS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, REMAIN THE SAME AS FAR AS HOW MUCH WE COLLECT IN THAT AREA. THE REASON I'VE PROPOSED DOING THE CHANGE FROM

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NO, THAT'S GREAT. I, I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET TO WHEN WE'RE REDEVELOPING AND WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL MIXED USE, THAT'S NOT A THRESHOLD BUILDING. THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE THERE ARE SOME THAT AREN'T. I MEAN, IT DEPENDS ON THE SIZE WHEN IT, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE AND SOME THAT AREN'T. IF ANYTHING, OVER 50FT TALL WOULD BE. AND THERE ARE SOME BUILDINGS THAT THAT ARE OVER 50FT TALL. BUT THERE ARE ALSO OTHERS THAT AREN'T, BUT THEY'RE OVER IN SQUARE FOOTAGE AND OCCUPANT LOAD. SO THE ONE DOWN ON, YOU KNOW, THE AVENUE PROJECT, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S ALL THRESHOLD, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT, I DON'T THINK IT'S OVER 50FT TALL, BUT IT'S DID YOU SAY 50 OR 15, 550. YEAH. SO ALSO WE DON'T HAVE AS I MEAN, PROPORTIONATELY, AGAIN, WE WE LOOK AT FOR, FOR, FOR MUNICIPALITIES THAT DO THE VALUATION APPROACH. THE ICC HAS A, IN THE BACK OF THEIR BOOK, IN THE CODE BOOK, THEY HAVE A FORMULA FOR HOW YOU ONE WAY TO COLLECT OR, YOU KNOW, COVER YOUR COSTS AND YOUR TOTAL NUMBER OF PERMITS, YOUR TOTAL NUMBER OF YOUR COSTS AND DIVIDE IT OUT. AND THERE'S YOUR THERE'S YOUR FIGURE. SO IT'S REALLY BASED UPON THE MIX OF THE WORK THAT WE HAVE AS TO HOW WE SET OUR FEES. AND, AND WE HAVE A PRETTY DIVERSE MIX OF RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE FAMILY, THE ADDITIONS, ALTERATIONS, REMODELS AND ALL THAT THAT WE DO. YES, THERE'S A LOT OF REDEVELOPMENT WITH THE MULTIFAMILY AND SOME MIXED USE AND COMMERCIAL, BUT PROPORTIONATELY, I, I WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, COUNTING EVERY YEAR, EVERY PERMIT, WE'RE PROBABLY 5050 ISH RANGE AS FAR AS WHERE WE DO OUR INSPECTIONS AND REVIEWS. SO I THINK THAT PLAYS INTO IT AS WELL, YOU KNOW, ON HOW, HOW MUCH WE NEED TO RECOVER FROM THOSE AREAS. AND I'M NOT QUESTIONING, I'M JUST TRYING TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING. YOU SAID YOU ADDED THREE POSITIONS. WHAT WERE THOSE THREE POSITIONS? ADDED A CHIEF. A CHIEF INSPECTOR AND A CHIEF PLAN REVIEWER. AND I THINK THE OTHER POSITION WAS A PERMIT PERMIT TECHNICIAN, PERMIT COORDINATOR POSITION. SO ARE YOU AT STAFFING LEVELS THAT CAN MEET THE DEMANDS THAT YOU HAVE? WE ARE THERE. WE'RE SERVICING THE THE PERMITS WE HAVE AGAIN, SAME NEXT DAY. YOU CALL FOR AN INSPECTION. TODAY WE HAVE IT. TOMORROW WE CAN MEET THE NEED OF. SOMEONE CALLED US TODAY AND SAID, HEY, I GOTTA HAVE IT TODAY. I DIDN'T SCHEDULE IT.

YOU KNOW, WE WE DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. WE HAVE RELIED ON SUPPLEMENTAL HELP WHEN WE'VE BEEN DOWN A POSITION. CURRENTLY, WE'RE FULLY STAFFED WITH OUR. I TAKE THAT BACK. I THINK WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO. WE JUST POSTED A POSITION FOR A PLAN REVIEWER BECAUSE OF A RETIREMENT COMING UP. WITHOUT THAT, WE WOULD HAVE. WE JUST GOT TO WHERE WE'RE FULLY STAFFED WITH INSPECTORS AND PLAN REVIEWERS. HOW MANY PLANNING REVIEWERS DO YOU HAVE? I'M SORRY, I HAVE TO LOOK ON MY. I'M SORRY I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT. I'M SORRY.

I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I CAN WE CAN MEET LATER ON, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO. WE HAVE 37 TOTAL IN THE DEPARTMENT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY ALL THE POSITIONS THERE, BUT WE ADDED THOSE TWO INSPECTOR, CHIEF INSPECTOR, CHIEF PLANS SO THAT THAT THAT BUMPED US UP ONE IN EACH SINCE 23. AND YOU THE STATE ALLOWS FOR FIRE INSPECTIONS AND OR PLAN REVIEW INSPECTIONS FROM AN OUTSIDE COMPANY. CORRECT? CORRECT. WE'VE WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SUPPLEMENT OUR SERVICES, PROVIDED WE HAVE THE REQUIRED LICENSES THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR EACH AREA. AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN A LIBRARY OR THEY CAN HIRE WHOEVER THEY WANT. CORRECT. NOW, YOU KNOW,

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MADAM MAYOR. GREAT. YES. MR. YOUNG, AS IT PERTAINS TO RIGHT OF WAY PERMITS, YOU'LL ACTUALLY BE HAVING SOME DISCUSSION OF THAT AT THE JUNE WORKSHOP. THEY HAVE NOT BEEN TOUCHED IN QUITE A LONG TIME, INCLUDING WHERE IT BLOCKS THE ROAD AND SOME OTHER THINGS DURING CONSTRUCTION.

I'VE HAD PRELIMINARY CONVERSATIONS WITH BOTH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE WORKING WITH ME AND ALLISON, AND WE WILL BE BRINGING THAT BACK IN A SIMILAR FASHION ON THE WORKSHOP, HOPEFULLY IN JUNE. OF COURSE YOU HAVE. I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT. SO THANK YOU. AND I'LL ADD A LITTLE PIECE TOO. IF YOU LOOK AT OUR FEE SCHEDULE, THERE'S A FEE FOR DRIVEWAYS AND IT SAYS RIGHT AWAY, BUT IT'S NOT A RIGHT OF WAY PERMIT TYPE FEE. RIGHT. THAT'S WHY I WAS NOTICING. YES, WE, WE, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE'S REDOING THEIR DRIVEWAY AND IT'S AND IT'S NOT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, WE RECOUP A FEE THAT COVERS US TO DO, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WORK WITH THAT JUST BASICALLY FALLS UNDER A SITE WORK PERMIT AND, BUT THE RIGHT OF WAY PORTION OF IT IS A SEPARATE FEE. AND I LEFT THAT ALONE BECAUSE OF WHAT GARY JUST MENTIONED. THAT RIGHT AWAY IS GOING TO BE COMING FORWARD WITH THEIR OWN FEES TO DISCUSS AND, AND DIDN'T WANT TO MUDDY THE WATER WITH, WITH THAT ONE. AND JUST LAST QUESTION, AND THAT IS, WHERE DO YOU SEE YOUR DEPARTMENT NEEDS IN THE FUTURE? WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING ON OUR OUR TECHNOLOGY ENHANCEMENTS. WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT. IT'S, IT'S IT'S GOING WELL. IT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT'S MOVING AT LIGHTNING SPEED BECAUSE WE'RE, WE'RE DOING IT. YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS A PORTION THEY'RE WORKING ON AND WE'RE WORKING ON SOME THINGS AND WE'RE DOING IT, YOU KNOW, WITH CITY VIEW IN A WAY WHERE WE'RE KIND OF DOING BOTH WITH THE SAME RESOURCES, WITH CITY VIEW, BUT WE'RE INTENTIONALLY NOT TRYING TO GO TOO FAST WITH THAT BECAUSE IT'S, FIRST OF ALL, IT'S A, IT'S AN AREA THAT'S JUST SO QUICKLY CHANGING. SO WE ARE TAKING STEPS TO BRING IN THE AI COMPONENT AND DO IT, BUT WE WANT TO BE VERY CAREFUL AND DO IT, DO IT PROPERLY, DO IT IN A WAY THAT'S THAT'S GOING TO WORK. OKAY. AND HOW MANY SOFTWARE PROGRAMS ARE YOU CITY VIEW AND WELL, SO CITY VIEW IS, IS THE, IS THE MAIN PLATFORM FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE DO OUR PERMITTING WITH BLITZES AND OUTSIDE THIRD PARTY SOFTWARE THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING TO ASSIST WITH PLAN REVIEW. RIGHT. RIGHT NOW. AND IN FACT, IT'S A GREAT TIME FOR ME TO LET EVERYBODY IN OUR PUBLIC KNOW. WE HAVE, WITHIN THE LAST FEW WEEKS, PUT A LINK UP ON OUR WEBSITE WHERE ACTUALLY PEOPLE CAN GO IN THERE AND START TO TEST AND PLAY WITH IT. SO FAR AS FOR CHECKING FOR SUFFICIENCY OF APPLICATIONS. SO WE'VE BEEN BUILDING IT SO THAT WHEN AN APPLICANT SUBMITS FOR A PERMIT, WHICHEVER TYPE IT IS, THAT IT WILL CHECK TO SEE THAT THEY HAVE THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTS, AND THEN EVEN LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE DOCUMENTS AS TO WHAT'S ON THEM TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE PROVIDING WHAT WE NEED. SO IF THEY'RE SHORT SOMETHING, IT'LL, IT'LL GIVE THEM A REALLY QUICK TURNAROUND AS TO, HEY, YOU'RE STILL MISSING THIS. YOU NEED TAKE A LOOK AT IT. AND, BUT YOU, ANYBODY CAN LOG IN OR CREATE A LOG IN WITH BLITZ, YOU KNOW, THROUGH OUR WEBSITE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, START DROPPING IN PLANS AND APPLICATIONS AND HAVING IT CHECK IT. SO WE'RE, WE'RE CONTINUING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. IT'S GOING WELL. AND, AND I ANTICIPATE AT SOME POINT IN THE NEAR FUTURE TO START BUILDING IT FOR THE PLAN REVIEW PORTION, WHICH IS WHICH IS THE NEXT STEP. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO. AND I HAVE ONE QUICK QUESTION. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, STEVE. ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS YOU HEAR FROM RESIDENTS BIGGEST PROBLEMS WITH PERMITS IS WHEN CONTRACTORS DON'T CLOSE THEM OUT. AND THESE OPEN PERMITS AND THEY GO TO SELL THEIR HOUSE, HOLDS UP THE SALE UNTIL IT'S RESOLVED OR THINGS THAT GET ESCROWED. IT'S A MESS. I KNOW THE COUNTY HAS A WHOLE RESOLUTION DEPARTMENT HANDLING STUFF LIKE THAT. DO WE HAVE ANY MECHANISM TO MONITOR THAT TO HELP IN THAT PROCESS FROM FROM OCCURRING, OR DO WE HAVE A RESOLUTION PERSON IN PARTICULAR, OR CAN WE INSTITUTE HEAVY HEFTIER FINES TO DETER BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE PUTS A NEW AIR CONDITIONER IN, THE GUY DOESN'T BUSY, DOESN'T COME CLOSE OUT THE PERMIT, THEN, YOU KNOW, FIVE YEARS LATER PERSON SELLS THEIR HOUSE AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S A MESS. THEN THE CONTRACTORS OUT OF BUSINESS. SO NOW THEY HAVE TO GET CALLING SOMEBODY ELSE TO PULL FROM IT. SO IT'S, IT'S A REALLY MESSY PROCESS. BUT YET IT, IT

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EVERY NOW AND THEN WE'LL GET A CONTRACTOR THAT'LL SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, LOOK, THIS ISN'T MINE.

I WANT TO CLOSE MY PERMIT. BUT THERE'S A CONDITION BECAUSE OF THE OWNER'S GOT AN OPEN WHATEVER PERMIT. HOW DO WE CLEAR THIS? AND, AND USUALLY WITH COMMUNICATION WITH THE OWNER AND THE CONTRACTORS, WE CAN GET IT RESOLVED. AND BUT THERE ARE SOME TIMES THAT WE STILL CAN'T RESOLVE IT THAT WAY. IT'S JUST IT'S AN AREA THAT'S CHALLENGING. BUT BUT WE DO WE DO MAKE PROGRESS ON IT. AND, AND YES, A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, IF AN OWNER DOESN'T WANT TO DO IT AND ISN'T MOTIVATED ENOUGH WHEN THEY GO TO SELL THEIR HOUSE, THEY ARE. AND THAT'S USUALLY WHEN IT GETS CLEANED UP AND DONE. AND IT'S BEEN MY EXPERIENCE OVER MANY DECADES. THAT'S USUALLY CONTRACTOR ISSUE AND YOU KNOW, THEM NOT COMING BACK. AND I TELL PEOPLE, DON'T PAY THE CONTRACTOR UNTIL YOU HAVE A PAID, YOU KNOW, CLOSED OUT PERMIT. BUT, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT AND THEY CAUGHT IN THIS MESS. IS THERE, IS THERE ANY FINANCIAL UNLESS THERE'S SOME PENALTY FOR THE CONTRACTOR, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CARE. I MEAN, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, SO SO IT'S GOING TO IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAPPEN. SO IS THERE ANY KIND OF LIKE CODE ENFORCEMENT PER DIEM FINE OR WHATEVER? IS THERE ANY KIND OF. THING PENALTY ON THEIR LICENSE, I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW, I'M ALWAYS OPEN TO, TO HEAR IDEAS, BUT SO JUST TO ONE, YOU MENTIONED CODE ENFORCEMENT, FOR EXAMPLE. I MEAN, YES, THERE'S AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE PROPERTY OWNER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING ON THAT PROPERTY.

IF IT'S IF IT'S THE CONTRACTOR'S FAULT AND IT'S NOT CLOSED OUT, THE ONLY ACTION WE CAN TAKE IS AGAINST THE PROPERTY OWNER AND A CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE. AND THEN THAT, YOU KNOW, DO WE DO WE WANT TO GO AFTER OUR, OUR RESIDENTS WITH A CODE ENFORCEMENT CASE BECAUSE THEY HAD TROUBLE WITH THE CONTRACTOR? THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, IT'S A DIFFICULT CONVERSATION. IT CAN BE A DIFFICULT THING. BUT SURE. I MEAN, THERE COULD BE SOMETHING IN THAT DIRECTION, AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, GOING AFTER THE CONTRACTORS. WE DON'T HAVE A CONTRACTORS LICENSING BOARD. THE COUNTY DOES. AND AND WHEN THERE ARE CASES BROUGHT BEFORE THE COUNTY'S CONTRACTOR LICENSING BOARD, THE COUNTY CAN SUSPEND OR PENALIZE LICENSE LICENSEES FROM PULLING PERMITS. THEY CAN PUT THEM ON SUSPENSION. THEY CAN. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IT'S EITHER THE COUNTY'S CONTRACTING BOARD OR THE STATE LICENSING BOARD THAT WOULD HAVE TO STEP IN AND PROVIDE THAT DISCIPLINE. WE CAN'T WE LIKE I SAID, WE CAN'T DENY SOMEONE WITH AN ACTIVE LICENSE IN GOOD STANDING A PERMIT BECAUSE THEY HAVE EXPIRED PERMITS. BUT THAT'S, AGAIN, I'M OPEN TO HEAR IDEAS. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO. WE DO SEND OUT A NOTIFICATION AUTOMATICALLY. OUR SYSTEM DOES JUST PRIOR TO 30 DAYS BEFORE A PERMIT EXPIRES.

AND WE YOU CAN LOOK AT EVERY EXPIRED PERMIT IN OUR SYSTEM AND THEY'VE ALL BEEN NOTIFIED THAT IT'S EXPIRING. AND, AND WE DO TAKE STEPS. WE DO HAVE ONE OF OUR TEMPORARY PART TIME STAFF IS FOCUSED ON WORKING THROUGH THE LIST OF EXPIRED PERMITS AND. BUT IT'S JUST IT'S A CONSTANT BATTLE FOR ANY NUMBER OF REASONS. SOMETHING THE CITY COULD DO IS JUST TO KIND OF LIKE A WARNING TO CONTRACTORS. WE EXPECT YOU TO CLOSE OUT YOUR PERMITS AND BE

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BUT THEY'RE DONE BY THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT. SO THE FEES ARE THERE. INSPECTIONS HAPPEN, BUT THEY'RE JUST NOT A BUILDING FEE PER SE THAT GOES INTO THE BUILDING FUND. SO, MADAM MAYOR, THE. YEAH. OKAY. SO SPECIFICALLY THE SECTION THAT DEALS WITH THAT IS THE STORMWATER CODE. AND IF YOU RECALL, AND AS STEVE INDICATED, WHEN A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT REQUIRES IT, IT IT REQUIRES STORMWATER REVIEW. AND THAT'S IN THE CODE. AND IT REQUIRES A SYSTEM AND THAT IS EVALUATED. WHAT WAS SUSPENDED BY THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL WAS THE MANDATE THAT THEY BE EVALUATED EVERY FIVE YEARS. AND TO MAINTAIN THAT DISCOUNT BECAUSE YOU HAVE IT IN YOUR SYSTEM. SO THERE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE ANOTHER CONVERSATION TO RESUME SOME INSPECTION, WHETHER IT'S TRIGGERED BY SALE, ANOTHER BUILDING PERMIT. WE'VE GOT TO LINK THOSE SOMEHOW. BUT THAT WILL BE A DISCUSSION SPECIFICALLY ABOUT STORMWATER CODE BECAUSE OF WHEN IT WAS IMPOSED. AND LIKE I SAID THEN, A SUBSEQUENT COUNCIL BASED ON FEEDBACK, IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE. YOU HAVE TO HAVE AN ENGINEER. THE COUNCIL SAID, WE'RE GOING TO SUSPEND THEM FOR NOW, BUT WE GOT TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. SO WE DO NEED THAT TO COME BACK TO YOU. AND IT COULD BE TRIGGERED BY A BUILDING PERMIT, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT DISCUSSION YET. THANK YOU. THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS GETTING AT THAT. I THINK WE SUSPENDED IT, MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW, FOUR YEARS AGO. YEAH. IT WAS ONE OF THOSE THAT I INHERITED WHEN I TOOK THIS OVER. AND WE WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT. IT'S JUST GETTING THE TIMING TO GET IT BACK IN FRONT OF YOU. AND WE HAVE TALKED A LITTLE BIT INTERNALLY, AS YOU CAN TELL BY WHAT'S THE TRIGGER THAT SAYS RATHER THAN IT'S JUST A FIVE YEAR, WHAT IS THE TRIGGER THAT MAKES IT HAVE AN EVALUATION? SO WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO YOU. IT WON'T BE IN JUNE, I CAN PROMISE, BUT IT WILL BE IN THE FALL. THAT WOULD BE THE INTENT IS TO HAVE THAT. OKAY. THANK

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I'VE ALWAYS FOUND IT IN MY IN MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER THAT THAT COMMUNICATION CAN SOLVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS AND IT CAN HELP FACILITATE AND IT CAN HELP CREATE A MORE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE PROCESS. AND I THINK THAT IF WE COULD TAKE SOME OF THAT FRUSTRATION OUT OF THE EQUATION BY HAVING A POSITION LIKE THIS, IT MIGHT FALL INTO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. AND MAYBE IT'S THAT A PERSON UNDER THEIR UNDER THEIR UMBRELLA THAT WOULD COMMUNICATE WITH THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS TO TRY TO GET A, A PERMIT FROM POINT A, YOU KNOW, A TO Z. I THINK THAT THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE VALUABLE TO THIS PROCESS. NOW, HOW WOULD THAT STRUCTURED AND HOW THAT'S CREATED? AGAIN, I, I, I DEFER TO YOU 100%, BUT I FIGURED IT WAS IT WAS AS I'VE HAD THESE CONVERSATIONS, THEY HAVE COME ACROSS TO ME AS SOMETHING THAT SEEMS VERY LOGICAL AND SOMETHING THAT ALSO PROBABLY WOULD WORK COULD WORK IF IT'S DONE PROPERLY AND SET UP PROPERLY. SO AGAIN, I THOUGHT THAT WHILE I WAS SITTING HERE, STEVE. ABSOLUTELY. I'LL GET YOUR FEEDBACK. AND SO I THOUGHT WHILE I WAS SITTING HERE THAT IT MIGHT BE WORTH A BRIEF DISCUSSION AS WE HAD THE HEAD OF OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT SITTING HERE WITH US. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I KIND OF FELT THIS PRESSURE OF NOT GOING DOWN THAT ROAD BY COUNCIL. I THOUGHT ABOUT IT TOO, AND I SAID, WHAT THE HECK, I ABSOLUTELY, THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING. AND I, I SHOULD HAVE HAD THAT LARGER CONVERSATION HERE. I'VE HAD IT MANY TIMES FOR EXACTLY WHAT YOU ELOQUENTLY JUST DESCRIBED, BUT MR. BECKMAN, YOU WANTED TO ANSWER. SURE. I'D BE HAPPY TO COMMENT ON THAT. IS, IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE THOUGHT ABOUT KICKED AROUND, YOU KNOW, IDEAS. WHAT CAN WE DO TO ASSIST IN THAT? AND I'LL JUST I'LL TELL YOU WHAT WE DO NOW, WHICH IS ANY ANYONE WHO HAS ANY QUESTION ABOUT ANYTHING WITH A PERMIT, IF THEY CALL OUR MAIN NUMBER, RIGHT, THEY'RE GOING TO GET SOMEONE ON THE PHONE AND THEN, WELL, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU CALLING ABOUT? IF YOU'RE CALLING ABOUT A FIRE REVIEW OR INSPECTION, THEN WE'RE GOING TO CONNECT YOU TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. IF YOU'RE CALLING ABOUT A PLANNING OR ZONING, THEN WE'RE GOING TO CONNECT YOU WITH THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT. I MEAN, WE'RE ALL IN THAT SAME BUILDING. SO, YOU KNOW, WE OUR PERMITTING STAFF IS THAT POINT OF CONTACT TO START WITH, AND THAT CALLS WILL COME IN AND WE'LL DIRECT THEM TO THE APPROPRIATE STAFF MEMBER WITH THE WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE KNOWLEDGE AND EXPERTISE IN THEIR AREA ON, ON WHATEVER THEIR ISSUE IS. AND THEN SAME THING IF ANYBODY WALKS IN OR THEY WANT TO HAVE A MEETING, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN REACH OUT TO EACH OF THOSE, EACH OR EVERY ONE OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS AND GET THEM ALL IN A ROOM IN OUR CONFERENCE ROOM TO SIT DOWN AND TALK PRETTY MUCH ANYTIME ANYBODY WANTS OR NEEDS IT. AND, AND WE DO THAT REGULARLY TO GO FURTHER AND HAVE SOMEONE WHO COULD BE THE PERSON TO HELP IN ALL THE AREAS WOULD REALLY TAKE SOMEBODY WITH THE IN DEPTH REQUISITE KNOWLEDGE IN ALL THOSE AREAS. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, SO, AND, AND I WOULD SEE WOULD HAVE TO BE A PERCENTAGE OF EACH DEPARTMENT AS FAR AS A FEE. BUT I DON'T KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GREAT CONVERSATION. IS THERE SOMEONE

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THAT CLOSING PERMIT MIGHT BE ANOTHER ONE. BUT AGAIN, WHAT I THINK REALLY WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO OUR BUILDING INDUSTRY IS HAVING A POINT PERSON THAT THEY KNOW THEY CAN PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL THAT PERSON, AND THAT PERSON'S FAMILIAR WITH THAT, NOT ONLY THEIR PERMIT, BUT ALSO THE COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS, BECAUSE THAT IS GOING TO BE THEIR JOB TO MAKE SURE THE DEPARTMENTS ARE ALL COMMUNICATING ON ONE PARTICULAR PERMIT. AND OBVIOUSLY, THEY'VE GOT MORE THAN ONE PERMIT TO DEAL WITH, BUT THEY'LL HAVE MULTIPLE PERMITS THEY'RE GOING TO BE DEALING WITH FOR THAT SPECIFIC PURPOSE, TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS ARE COMMUNICATING PROPERLY SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THIS PROCESS AS EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE AS POSSIBLE. BUT AGAIN, I APPLAUD YOU GUYS, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, FOR SAYING AND ALSO LETTING OUR CONSTITUENTS KNOW AND OUR CLIENTS KNOW, HEY, YOU CAN CALL US IF YOU'RE HAVING PROBLEMS. WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO FIND THAT SOLUTION FOR YOU. BUT I THINK THAT THERE MIGHT BE A MORE EFFICIENT WAY TO GET IT DONE, AND THAT MIGHT BE THROUGH A POINT PERSON LIAISON TYPE OF POSITION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

MY FINAL QUESTION IS, DO YOU FOR PERMIT COST FOR COASTAL CONSTRUCTION SETBACK LINE. IT'S WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT. THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. APPLICATION AND FEE. SO WE DO HAVE A SEPARATE PERMIT FOR A CCSL PERMIT WHICH WHICH IS UNDER NATURAL RESOURCES. AND AGAIN, THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A RIGHT OF WAY PERMIT, RIGHT. THAT THAT'S GOING TO GO TO THE, THE TRANSPORTATION. IT'S GOING TO ANOTHER DEPARTMENT WHEN WHEN THERE'S A MARINE PERMIT OR THERE'S A C, C, C, C, C, S L PERMIT, AND THERE'S NO BUILDING PERMIT WITH THAT, THEN NATURAL RESOURCES IS THE ONE THAT ASSIGNS AND COLLECTS A FEE. A LOT OF. BUT AGAIN, ON A ON A BUILDING WHERE THERE'S WORK, IT'S. SEE WHERE THE C C C YOU KNOW, AGAIN, OUR, OUR FEES COVER WHAT WE DO REGARDLESS OF THE AREA. THERE'S DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'LL HAVE IN REVIEW AND INSPECTIONS. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAPTURE OUR COSTS WITH OUR FEES. AND, AND I WOULD ASSUME THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS DO AS WELL. RIGHT. BUT JUST TO APPLY FOR THAT PERMIT, IT'S WITHIN YOUR DEPARTMENT. IF IT'S AFFILIATED WITH CONSTRUCTION. SO SO WE'RE, WE ARE THE POINT

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AND YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THE UNDER THE DIRECTION OF STATE STATUTE, WE NEEDED TO BRING IN AN ELECTRONIC SYSTEM AND MAKE IT AVAILABLE TO DO IT ELECTRONICALLY. IT REALLY DROVE THE BUS. RIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ELECTRONIC SYSTEM. IT COMES IN TO ONE PLACE AND THEN AND THEN WE DISSEMINATE IT FROM THERE. WHEN DID THAT START? I'D HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK TO SEE.

IT'S BEEN A WHILE AGO. I WANT TO SAY MAYBE BACK IN 2014, OVER TEN, 12 YEARS AGO, THE DIRECTION WAS THAT EVERY MUNICIPALITY HAD TO PROVIDE A MEANS TO SUBMIT ELECTRONICALLY.

AND I GUESS YOU COULD FULFILL THAT BY SIMPLY TAKING A PERMIT BY EMAIL. BUT THAT, AGAIN, GETS TO BE A VERY DIFFICULT AND ARDUOUS PROCESS. THIS YOU KNOW, OUR PERMIT SYSTEM ISN'T THE CHEAPEST. THERE ARE A LOT OUT THERE, A LOT CHEAPER, AND THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE MORE EXPENSIVE, BUT IT'S ONE THAT WE ARE ABLE TO CONFIGURE TO BUILD IN A LOT OF AUTOMATION. SO THE SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU DO ONE THING, AN ACTIVITY IS CREATED TO THEN BRING THE NEXT THING UP AND A LOT OF WHAT NEEDS TO GET DONE ALL THE WAY TO THE POINT OF CLOSING A PERMIT, UNFORTUNATELY FALLS ON THE APPLICANT SIDE THAT AGAIN, WE CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH. AND THEN AND THEN WE CAN CALL THEM EVERY DAY AND SAY, HEY, YOU NEED SOMETHING. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THEY HAVE AN ACTIVITY THEY HAVE TO CREATE AND COMPLETE. BUT OUR SYSTEM PROVIDES A LOT OF THOSE EFFICIENCIES AND THE WAY IT'S BUILT AND DESIGNED AND, AND EVERY OPPORTUNITY WE GET TO BUILD, THAT'S A COST SAVING BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING AN ELECTRONICALLY. CORRECT? YES. YOU CAN SUBMIT A PERMIT ANY DAY, ANY TIME OF THE DAY FROM ANYWHERE. AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY RELIABLE EVERY NOW AND THEN. SOFTWARE AND COMPUTER HAVE THEIR ISSUES. BUT NO, WE DON'T RECOGNIZE THAT AROUND HERE. OKAY, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. I'M JUST, I WANT TO THANK EVERYONE FOR THE FEEDBACK AND YEAH, AND STEVE AND I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT IN DETAIL. AND, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH STEVE IN THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, AND IT'S A CONSISTENT, CONSISTENT MESSAGE FROM ME. AND I THINK WHERE CONSTITUENTS HAVE ISSUES, IS THAT SOMETHING CHANGES. BUT THE SUBMISSION DIDN'T CHANGE.

AND THEREFORE, HOW DID IT GET TO BE THAT THIS DEPARTMENT WHO APPROVED IT BEFORE ISN'T? AND THAT'S THAT CONSISTENT MESSAGE OF NOW. BECAUSE WHERE THE DIFFICULTY IS, YOU CAN'T JUST UNILATERALLY SAY, I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE EVERY DEPARTMENT LOOK AT IT AGAIN, BECAUSE THERE COULD BE A SLIGHT DEVIATION THAT SOMEBODY ELSE THAT DOESN'T HAVE EXPERTISE IN THAT AREA.

BUT WHEN IT IS, YOU CAN DETERMINE THAT A PERMIT OR THE DESIGN DIDN'T CHANGE, BUT THEN THE RESPONSE CHANGED. AND IT'S THAT KIND OF THING THAT DRIVES. IF WE CAN MINIMIZE THOSE, IT ALL IN TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL AS DO YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN PERMITS OR SOMEBODY CAN TILL IT'S DONE AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S DONE, YOU KNOW, FOSTERING THAT. BUT IT'S THAT MIXED MESSAGE WHEN IT COMES BACK AND OPENS UP IS WHAT, WHAT CAUSES US THE BIGGEST GRIEF, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. AND SO I TAKE ALL OF YOUR COMMENTS TO HEART. AND THE ONLY OTHER REASON THAT I SPOKE IS FROM AN EXPECTATION PERSPECTIVE, JUST MAKE SURE WE HAVE CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ORDINANCE CHANGES, AND THAT WE WOULD DO THAT AND BRING THAT TO YOU BEFORE SUMMER. SO FORESHADOWING WHAT THE FUTURE WOULD BE. WE'D COME ON JUNE 3RD WITH FIRST READING, JUNE 17TH ON SECOND. THE EFFECTIVE DATE WOULD BE TEN ONE, BUT THAT ALLOWS US TO INCORPORATE THOSE THINGS INTO THE BUDGET. SO JUST FORESHADOWING THAT FOR YOU, THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR TODAY IS TO CONSENSUS TO BRING THOSE ORDINANCE BEFORE YOU. SO THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU. AND THAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS ITEM. AND THAT THE ORDINANCE AND THE INCREASES. SO WITH THAT CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS ORDINANCE AND INCREASES. YES, YES. OKAY. GREAT. YOU HAVE IT. MR. YOUNG. THANK YOU, MR. BECKMAN. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL, WITH THAT, WE ARE AT 11:00. WE'RE IN NEED OF A BREAK, AND THEN WE ARE COMING BACK WITH SEVEN C, AND THAT'S OUR FIVE YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT

[7.C) Discussion and Direction regarding City of Naples 5-year Capital Improvement Plan for Fiscal Years 2027-2031.]

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STEFAN MOSSEL, FINANCE DIRECTOR. AS AS WE KNOW, WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. IT'S A FIVE YEAR PLAN SPANNING FROM FISCAL YEAR ENDING 2027 TO FISCAL YEAR ENDING 2031. AND AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, I DO WANT TO MENTION THAT THIS PLAN IS VERY AMBITIOUS. THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF INVESTMENT, PARTICULARLY IN STORMWATER PROJECTS THAT ALSO AFFECT OTHER FUNDS, SUCH AS YOUR WATER SEWER FUND. AND WITH THAT DEGREE OF DESIGN, PERMITTING AND EXECUTION THAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR ALL THE PROJECTS REPRESENTED IN THIS PLAN, IT IS VERY POSSIBLE, IF NOT LIKELY, THAT THE TIMING OF THESE PROJECTS WILL ACTUALLY END UP BEING A LITTLE BIT LATER ON. YOU KNOW, WE ARE UNABLE TO PUT SHOVELS IN THE GROUND UNTIL ALL THOSE PRELIMINARY STEPS HAVE BEEN ACHIEVED FOR EACH OF THESE PROJECTS. AND YOU'LL ALSO NOTICE THAT IN MANY OF THESE FUNDS, THERE ARE NOT SUFFICIENT REVENUE SOURCES TO FUND ALL OF THOSE OUT YEARS. YOU KNOW, GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE FIRST COUPLE OF YEARS, YOU KNOW, THREE YEARS, THERE'S SUFFICIENT FUND BALANCE IN INDIVIDUAL FUNDS IN THOSE OUT YEARS, THERE ARE DEFICIENCIES THAT WILL HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED IN THE FUTURE THROUGH THE ANNUAL BUDGETING PROCESS FOR THIS PLAN TO CONTINUE. IF IF IT REMAINS ON THE PACE AS OUTLINED, OF COURSE, THAT WILL AGAIN BE DEPENDENT ON THE TIMING OF DESIGN AND PERMITTING AS WELL, AS WELL AS MANY UNKNOWNS THAT COULD EXIST RELATED TO GRANT SOURCES THAT ARE NOT YET REFLECTED IN THIS DOCUMENT. ADDITIONALLY, WANTED TO MAKE MENTION. AS YOU ALL KNOW, A STORMWATER RATE INCREASES WERE APPROVED TO TAKE EFFECT BEGINNING IN OCTOBER 1ST OF 2026, AND THOSE RATE INCREASES WOULD BE 25% PER YEAR OVER FOUR YEARS. AND, YOU KNOW, CURRENTLY THE WATER AND SEWER RATES HAVE BEEN MOST RECENTLY INCREASED BASED ON CPI. AS BEN WILL GET INTO LATER ON HIS SLIDES. WE ARE ALSO RECOMMENDING THAT A RATE STUDY BE PERFORMED FOR THAT FUND AS WELL TO KEEP PACE, BECAUSE AS YOU'LL SEE, THE PROJECTION IS THAT THE WATER SEWER FUND WILL ALSO, IN THOSE OUT YEARS, NOT BE SUFFICIENT TO KEEP UP WITH THAT PACE. SO THOSE WERE JUST KIND OF MY OPENING REMARKS. I DID WANT TO, ON THIS SLIDE, MAKE MENTION OF THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS SERVICES TAX IN PARTICULAR. YOU'LL SEE THAT THE TELECOMMUNICATION SERVICE TAX HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN A SHARED REVENUE SOURCE AMONG THREE FUNDS. AND BACK IN FISCAL YEAR ENDED 23, THERE WAS $1.25 MILLION APPROXIMATELY BUDGETED FOR THE GENERAL FUND. SUBSEQUENT TO THAT, OR IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THE BUDGET WAS $0 FOR GENERAL FUND. MOST OF THAT BALANCE WAS MOVED OVER TO THE STREETS FUND.

ACTUALLY, THE ENTIRETY OF IT WAS MOVED OVER TO THE STREETS FUND TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE FUNDING FOR A LOT OF THE ROAD PROJECTS THAT WERE WERE DEEMED NECESSARY. AND ALSO IN LIGHT OF THE SUN SETTING OF THE $0.01 SALES TAX, WHICH TOOK PLACE IN DECEMBER OF 2023. SO JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE HAVE BEEN SOME FUNDING NEEDS, PARTICULARLY IN

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AND JUST HIGH LEVEL. I SKIPPED THIS EARLIER, BUT THE FIVE YEAR TOTAL EXPENDITURES OF THIS PLAN IS JUST SHY OF $600 MILLION. AND FOR FISCAL YEAR 2627, THOSE EXPENDITURES ARE CURRENTLY PROPOSED AND REPRESENTED AT $103.3 MILLION. NOW, OF COURSE, THAT WOULD BE SUBJECT TO ADDITIONAL BUDGETARY CONSIDERATIONS AS WE WORK THROUGH THE PREPARATION OF THE FISCAL YEAR 2627 BUDGET. SO THAT YEAR INCLUDED, AS WELL AS, OF COURSE, ANY OF THOSE OUT YEARS WILL BE ENTIRELY DEPENDENT ON THE ANNUAL BUDGETING PROCESS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE HAVE THAT WORKSHOP COMING UP IN AUGUST TO REALLY KIND OF DIVE INTO THOSE BUDGET NUMBERS AND ANY DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THIS CIP AND WHAT IS ULTIMATELY ADOPTED WILL BE EXPLICITLY REPRESENTED WITHIN THE ANNUAL BUDGET DOCUMENT. SO IT'S CLEAR FOR EVERYONE WHAT CHANGES TOOK PLACE. ON THIS SLIDE, WHICH CAN BE FOUND ON PAGE SEVEN OF THE CIP. IT JUST KIND OF SUMMARIZES WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER, THE $103.3 MILLION FOR 2627 AND THE $600 MILLION, ROUGHLY OF FIVE YEAR TOTAL EXPENDITURES INCLUDED. AND AGAIN, ALL OF THESE ARE TENTATIVE UNTIL ANNUAL BUDGET IS ACTUALLY APPROVED. THIS SLIDE HERE, THIS CAN BE FOUND ON PAGE 14 OF THE CIP. AND THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF YOUR PUBLIC SERVICES TAX FUNDS.

AS GARY MENTIONED EARLIER, THERE IS A A PUBLIC SERVICE. THERE'S A PUBLIC SERVICE FOCUS WITHIN THE PUBLIC SERVICE TAX FUNDS. SO THAT IS, YOU KNOW, YOUR PUBLIC SAFETY AND YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE CONSIDERATIONS. PARKS AND REC, THOSE TYPES OF EXPENDITURES ARE WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN THE PUBLIC SERVICE TAX FUNDS. I DID WANT TO MENTION ON THIS SLIDE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE IS A TRANSFER IN SHOWN FROM THE CRA AND THE BEACH FUND THAT IS FOR THE 2024 CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BOND THAT WAS RELATED TO THE FIRST AVENUE SOUTH PARKING GARAGE, AS WELL AS THE NAPLES PIER REBUILD. AND JUST BELOW THAT ROW, YOU'LL SEE BOND PROCEEDS IN 2627 OF $29 MILLION. AND THAT'S TO PAY FOR THE FIRE STATION TO CONSTRUCTION. AND BEYOND THAT, I DID WANT TO MENTION THAT YOU WILL SEE IN THOSE OUT YEARS AS A RESULT OF THAT FIRE STATION TWO ISSUANCE, SOME EXPENDITURES FOR THAT DEBT OF ROUGHLY $1.95 MILLION EACH YEAR. NOW, THAT $1.95 MILLION IS BASED ON A 3% INTEREST RATE FOR 20 YEAR ISSUANCE. SO IF YOU KNOW, KNOWING THAT THAT OUTLOOK THAT WILL PUT INHERENTLY SOME FUNDING, YOU KNOW, CONSTRAINTS, YOU COULD SAY ON WHAT WHAT DOLLARS ARE AVAILABLE IN EACH OF THOSE OUT YEARS FOR THOSE ANNUAL REQUESTS, THERE WILL BE A SUNSETTING, YOU COULD SAY A PAYOFF OF THE FIRE STATION ONE DEBT, WHICH YOU'LL SEE NEXT TO THE PUBLIC SERVICES TAX 2018 DEBT ROW IN 2930. BUT THERE'S THERE'S ALSO A HUGE GAP YOU CAN SEE. AND IN QUANTITY AND COST, YOU HAVE $387,000 THAT WILL BE OFF THE TABLE IN THAT OUT YEAR. BUT REMAINING IS THAT $1.95 MILLION, WHICH IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND AS A LIMITING FACTOR. YOU WILL SEE IN THOSE OUT YEARS, THE DEBT SERVICE. ALSO FROM THAT 2024 BOND I MENTIONED FOR THE CRA AND THE PIER, THANKFULLY, THOSE TRANSFERS IN I MENTIONED EARLIER WILL BE AN OFFSET TO THOSE EXPENDITURES, BUT WE WE WILL HAVE TO CONTEND WITH THE IMPACT OF THE FIRE STATION TWO DEBT IN THOSE OUT YEARS. AND JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT DEBT FINANCING INCLUDED HERE ALREADY EXPLAINED FIRE STATION TWO. BUT THE STORMWATER FUND, YOU'LL SEE IN THOSE OUT YEARS IN THE IN THE PAGES THAT BEN WILL BE SHOWING YOU THAT THERE ARE LIQUIDITY CONCERNS IN THE NEAR TERM BASED ON THE TIMING OF THE OF THE EXPENDITURES THAT ARE REPRESENTED IN THIS FIVE YEAR CIP. AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S A VERY HIGH PROBABILITY THAT THOSE PROJECTS WILL ACTUALLY LAND IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS. THUS, ANY RELATED DEBT TO PROVIDE THE LIQUIDITY THAT WOULD BE NEEDED IN ORDER TO, YOU KNOW, PAY FOR THOSE CONSTRUCTION COSTS MAY ALSO

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AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE REVENUE AND IN THERE TO TAKE CARE OF ALL YOUR GOVERNMENTAL, WHICH IS YOUR POLICE FIRE, ALL THEIR EQUIPMENT, ALL THEIR APPARATUS, ALL THEIR FACILITIES, WHEN YOU PEEL OFF THE TRANSFER IN FROM CRA AND THE FINANCING, YOU'RE RIGHT AROUND $6.5 MILLION. THAT'S WHAT TAKES CARE OF ALL YOUR GOVERNMENTAL ACTIVITIES. AND SO WHEN WE HAD TALKED IN NOVEMBER, I TALKED AGAIN, I THINK IN FEBRUARY, AND I'VE SAID IT A COUPLE TIMES NOW, THE EMPHASIS UPON THE $0.01 SALES TAX FOR INFRASTRUCTURE AND FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS AT THE COUNTY LEVEL, IF THEY ARE GOING TO ENTERTAIN THAT IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR TO TAKE TO THE VOTERS, IT WOULD BE AN IMPORTANT THING FOR US TO TO TO GET ON BOARD WITH BECAUSE IT HELPS US WITH RESPECT TO OUR FACILITIES, OUR ROADS, OUR HARDENING AND OTHER THINGS. SO NO DEFICIT IN HERE THAT'S THAT'S PRESENTED THIS WAY IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE GOING TO FOLLOW THROUGH WITH, GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF DEBT THAT WE ALREADY ARE SHOWING HERE. SO SOMETHING IS GOING TO GIVE, WE'RE EITHER GOING TO COME UP WITH ANOTHER FUNDING MECHANISM. WE'RE GOING TO GET GRANTS FOR SOME OF THESE THINGS, AND WE'RE GOING TO PURSUE ALL OF THOSE. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THAT IS ONE VARIABLE THAT I THINK THAT IS WITHIN YOUR ABILITY TO SUPPORT THE COUNTY. IF THEY GO FOR THAT, AND IT HAS PROVEN EXTREMELY BENEFICIAL FOR THIS JURISDICTION UTILIZING THAT $26 MILLION IN THE PAST. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT HERE BEFORE BEN TOOK OVER. SO THANK YOU. AND WE HAVE NOT COMMUNICATED OUR SUPPORT OR BY LETTER OR VERBALLY TO THE COUNTY ON THAT $0.01 SALES TAX. NO, BECAUSE THERE WAS NO HURRY ON. IF YOU RECALL, WE HAD OUR PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS. I'VE REACHED OUT TO MRS. PATTERSON AND FOUND OUT THAT THEY WERE GOING FOR TDC FUNDING IN THE CURRENT YEAR. WE DIDN'T OPPOSE THAT AND WE HAVE NO NEGATIVES IN THE CURRENT 2 TO 3 YEAR PERIOD. OUR NEGATIVES OCCUR IN THE OUT YEARS, SO BASED ON THEIR TIMING OF IT, IT WAS NO REASON FOR US TO SAY, PLEASE SWITCH THAT TIMING AND GO FOR INFRASTRUCTURE FIRST. WE'RE LETTING THAT HAPPEN. AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, WE, AS YOU KNOW, WE WE ARE PLANNING A JOINT SESSION. BUT BUT AGAIN, BETWEEN NOW AND WHEN WE MEET, THEY'RE AWARE OF THE GENERAL CONVERSATION, BUT THERE WAS NO IN HURRY UNLESS WE WERE TRYING THEM TO CHANGE THE ORDER OF THEIR PRIORITY OR VOTE, AND WE WERE NOT TRYING TO DO THAT. WE JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE INFRASTRUCTURE. ONE WHEN THEY.

AND THAT TIMELINE IS TO GO, I THINK, NEXT NOVEMBER ROUGHLY. SO. OKAY. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR.

YEAH. SO THE AGENDA FOR THE JOINT MEETING WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSION, WE COULD CERTAINLY TALK ABOUT BOTH TAXES AND WHAT THE INTENT IS TO USE THOSE FOR THE TDC TAX INCREASE. HAVE THEY SPECIFIED ALREADY WHAT THAT WOULD BE USED FOR? THERE'S A LOT THAT'S RELATED TO. I DON'T WANT TO I'M PARAPHRASING, SO FORGIVE ME AND I'LL LET SOMEBODY ELSE SAY MORE. BUT BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE SIGNIFICANT EARMARK WOULD BE TO FINISHING THEIR SPORTS COMPLEX.

BUT THERE ALSO WAS A COMPONENT THAT ENABLED IT TO BE USED FOR STORMWATER AS WELL, BECAUSE STORMWATER AND RESILIENCY, YOU KNOW, FROM A, FROM A TOURIST PERSPECTIVE TO AVOID FLOODING OR WHAT HAVE YOU, I HAVEN'T DELVED INTO THOSE, THOSE SPLITS OR ANYTHING AT THIS STAGE, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I HEARD IT WAS GOING TO BE USED FOR, BECAUSE WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT WOULD BENEFIT TOURISM, LIKE CONTINUE FINISHING UP THE PIER, THE PLAYGROUND AT CAMBIER PARK, THE OTHER PARK IMPROVEMENT PLANS. SO MAYBE WE CAN TRY TO GET A BIGGER SHARE OF THAT TOO. SINCE IT DOES, WE DO GENERATE A LOT OF THE TOURISM AND THE TOURISM TAX, AND OUR PROJECTS BENEFIT THE VISITORS WHO DO COME. YEAH. AND WE THE THING ABOUT OURS IS WE DON'T GET ANY DIRECT BENEFIT. WE HAVE TO APPLY EVERY YEAR. BUT YES, YOU JUST NEED TO WE NEED TO COME UP WITH THOSE THAT WE APPLY FOR EVERY YEAR AND MAKE SURE WE GET THEM. YEAH, GET OUR NAMES ON THE LIST. THAT'S CORRECT. CONSIDERED EVERY YEAR. YES, SIR.

COUNCILMEMBER KRAMER, JUST TO THAT POINT, VICE MAYOR, WE MEET TOMORROW AND WE'RE TALKING BUDGET TOMORROW. AND SO IT'LL BE TIMELY AND CDC. YEP. TDC AND SO IN. COMMENTS ARE PROBABLY

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THE BIGGEST THING YOU CAN TAKE AWAY FROM ON THIS SLIDE IS THE THE FONT DOWN IN RED. BUT BEFORE I GET TO THAT, I WANT TO JUST MAKE NOTE OF THE MAP TO THE RIGHT. THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN ACCOUNTED FOR IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN THOSE FIVE SUBBASINS THAT YOU SEE OFF TO THE RIGHT, WHICH IS A FRACTION OF THE ENTIRE CITY. SO BASED ON NEW LEADERSHIP COMING ON BOARD, TAKING A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE ON HOW WE NEED TO BUDGET INTO THE FUTURE REGARDING STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS, THE PLAN WILL WILL STILL CONTINUE TO CONSIDER THE FIVE PRIORITY BASINS, BUT IT'S BEEN EXPANDED OR THE STRATEGY HAS BEEN EXPANDED TO INCLUDE WHAT WE CALL A BASIN BY BASIN APPROACH, WHICH WILL ACCOUNT FOR ALL 12 BASINS CITYWIDE. IN REGARDS TO STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS, IT INCLUDES, AS IT RELATES TO NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, A PILOT TO PILOT LAKE TO BAY PUMP STATION, WHICH IS ASSOCIATED WITH SWAN LAKE. THE IMPLEMENTATION OF A PILOT STORMWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM TO BAY, WHICH IS ASSOCIATED WITH 17TH AVENUE SOUTH, AND A BEACH OUTFALL PHASE THREE PROJECT, WHERE WE'RE CAPITALIZING ON EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE TO PROVIDE REDUNDANCY TO THE NAPLES BEACH OUTFALL PROJECT. SO ON PAGE 121, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A SUMMARY OF ALL OF YOUR CAPITAL PROJECTS PROPOSED FOR STORMWATER. AND AGAIN, ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS TO TAKE AWAY FROM, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR SCREEN, THAT $14 MILLION IN YEAR 28, 29 WAS PREVIOUSLY THAT 65 MILLION. YOU SEE, IN THE CURRENT YEAR, THERE'S BEEN APPROXIMATELY $51 MILLION OF THAT ORIGINAL 65 MILLION THAT'S BEING PROJECTED OR REDISTRIBUTED TO THESE SPECIFIC PROJECTS, ALL IN GREEN THAT YOU SEE ON YOUR SCREEN. THEN AGAIN,

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IF YOU DON'T START MEASURING WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO START TO SPEND SOMEWHERE, YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE A MECHANISM TO SAY WHAT THEY ARE TO BEGIN FUNDING. SO WE'VE DONE BOTH IS WE'VE GOT THE FUNDING MECHANISM THE COUNCIL VOTED ON. NOW FAST FORWARD, AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT 6,000,005 WAS DISTRIBUTED FOR ENGINEERING ON WHAT PROJECTS. THEREFORE, IN ADDITION TO THE SPECIFIC AREAS PLUS THE CHANGE IN LEADERSHIP, ALSO CONCLUDED THAT LET'S GO AFTER ALL 12 BASINS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. SO WHEN YOU HAVE THAT $50 MILLION PLACEHOLDER, LOOK, WE ALL KNOW ENGINEERING LAST ONE TOOK NINE YEARS. WE'RE HOPING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 24 AND 36 MONTHS MAX THIS IS THAT 50 MILLION IN YELLOW IS TO DEMONSTRATE THE PERPETUAL NATURE OF THIS PROBLEM, WHICH IS TO FIX INFRASTRUCTURE OVER MANY, MANY YEARS. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PHASE TWO IS ONCE THE FIRST PHASES ARE DONE IN ENGINEERING, WE NEED TO BE PREPARED. WHAT ARE THE NEXT ONES THAT WE'RE ENGINEERING WHILE THAT'S BEING CONSTRUCTED.

SO THAT'S THE PLACEHOLDER. YOUR DEBT. DON'T GET NERVOUS OVER THE DEBT. THE DEBT GOES ALONG WITH WHAT YOU HAVE DESIGNED. WHAT ARE YOUR YOU HAVE CONTRACTED THOSE GO HAND IN HAND FROM THAT CAPACITY. SO THEY'RE BOTH PLACEHOLDERS, BUT THE ONES THAT ARE IN GREEN ARE THE PROJECTS IDENTIFIED BY THAT ORIGINAL PLACEHOLDER THAT WAS PLACED THERE. SO IT'S AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION FOR YOUR BENEFIT. SO THANK YOU. AND GO AHEAD AND TO ECHO ECHO INTO MR. YOUNG'S COMMENTS TOO. I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER THIS SLIDE BECAUSE THESE SIGNIFICANT DOLLARS THAT ARE IN THE OUT YEARS WITHIN THE STORMWATER FUND ARE GOING TO BE PULLING IN THE WATER SEWER FUND ON IN SOME RESPECT, THERE'S NOWHERE THAT WE CAN GO AND EXECUTE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS WITHOUT CONSIDERING THE WATER SEWER ELEMENTS, WHICH HAVE SIGNIFICANT COSTS AND WILL BE IMPACTING THE WATER SEWER FUND. AS IT RELATES TO THE MULTI BASIN IMPLEMENTATION PROJECTS, THERE WERE FOUR. IF YOU GO BACK TO THIS SLIDE IN GREEN IN 2627, THE FIRST ONE BEING SWAN LAKE FOR $5 MILLION FOR NEXT YEAR. IN THE CURRENT YEAR, WE'RE ANTICIPATING TO PROVIDE CITY COUNCIL A TASK ORDER FOR DESIGN SERVICES. AFTER YOUR SUMMER BREAK, WE ARE ALLOCATING $250,000 OF THE 6.5 THAT WAS REGISTERED FOR THIS YEAR AS AN INITIATIVE TOWARD THE SWAN LAKE ELEMENT. THIS IS TO PROVIDE A PERMANENT WET WELL STRUCTURE THAT WILL ASSIST THE GRAVITY SYSTEM TO. TO ENHANCE STORMWATER CONVEYANCE. IT IS ASSOCIATED A WET WELL AND ASSOCIATED PIPING, INCLUDING A PUMP STATION, IS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT. THE INTENTIONS ARE TO MEET TO IMMEDIATELY CONTROL LAKE LEVELS AND SERVE AS A BACKUP TO THE PUMPING. DURING HIGH WATER EVENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS AREA. AS YOU ARE AWARE, SWAN LAKE RESIDES JUST NORTH OF PARK SHORE DRIVE AND JUST EAST OF CREIGHTON ROAD. THE PICTURE OFF TO THE LEFT ON THE SCREEN NOW IS THE EXISTING CONTROL STRUCTURE THAT WILL BE MODIFIED INTO A SEMI HYBRID PUMP STATION, WHICH WILL CONVEY STORMWATER IN THAT PICTURE TO THE RIGHT THROUGH THAT EASEMENT OUT TO THE BAY. NEXT PROJECT WITHIN THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE MULTI BASIN ASSESSMENTS. IMPLEMENTATION OF A PILOT STORMWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM TO BAY. THIS IS ON 17TH AVENUE SOUTH. THAT STAR IS THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF WHERE WE INSTALLED A TEMPORARY BYPASS PUMP THAT WAS STAGED AND

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AND THAT'S JUST AGAIN, THAT'S JUST A REITERATION OF WHAT THOSE OUTFALLS ARE ON THE BEACH.

STORMWATER CITYWIDE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS $3 MILLION FOR NEXT YEAR. THIS PROJECT IS BUDGETED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. THE CURRENT YEAR BUDGET HAS THIS SLOTTED FOR 1.6 MILLION.

WE ARE REQUESTING TO INCREASE TO $3 MILLION. AGAIN, THIS IS FOR THE ONGOING. IT'S AN ONGOING PROGRAM FOR STORMWATER SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS, PERFORMED AND COORDINATED BY IN-HOUSE STAFF THAT TYPICALLY DO NOT REQUIRE A VERY BIG DESIGN INITIATIVE. THIS COULD ENTAIL ANYTHING FROM PIPE REPLACEMENTS TO CATCH BASIN REPAIRS, DRAINAGE AND INLETS AND MANHOLE REPLACEMENTS, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, OUTFALL CLEANING AND PIPELINING. THAT'S THE BULK OF WHAT THIS PROJECT WILL BE TAILORED TOWARD FOR NEXT YEAR. AND OFF TO THE LEFT. THAT'S JUST AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE BARNACLE BUILDUP AND SOME OF THOSE OUTFALL PIPES THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED BEFORE CITY COUNCIL BEFORE. THIS IS JUST TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF MAGNITUDE, AS WE BEGIN TO RESTRUCTURE OUR STORMWATER DEPARTMENT, OUR INTENTIONS ARE TO TAKE ON SOME OF THESE OPERATIONAL ACTIVITIES IN-HOUSE, BUT WE ARE NOT TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN DO THAT.

WE'RE HEAVILY RELIANT ON CONTRACTED SERVICES FOR THESE ACTIVITIES. OUR GOAL IS TO TAKE ON THE TELEVISING AND CLEANING ASPECT OF THESE ACTIVITIES. MORE THAN LIKELY, WE WILL NEVER TAKE ON THE LINING SIDE OF IT. LINING IS VERY INTENSIVE. AS YOU CAN SEE IN THESE PICTURES, IT TAKES A TRACTOR TRAILER JUST TO HOUSE THE LINER FOR SOME OF THESE LINE SEGMENTS. AS AN EXAMPLE, THIS THIS SPECIFIC LINE SEGMENT, IT WAS A DOWNSTREAM PIPE SEGMENT FROM THE COLONNADE. WE LINED APPROXIMATELY 170 LINEAL FEET OF 54 INCH PIPE TO THE TUNE OF ABOUT $130,000. SO AS YOU LOOK INTO THE FUTURE AND YOU, YOU, YOU GAUGE THE $3 MILLION WE BUDGETED ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. LINE LINING WILL BE A DROP IN THE BUCKET IN THE FUTURE.

STORMWATER FUND, THE STORMWATER PUMP STATION, THE COVE. NEXT YEAR, WE HAVE $1.2 MILLION BUDGETED FOR DESIGN. CITY COUNCIL WILL SEE A TASK ORDER FOR THE EVALUATION OF THIS PUMP STATION ON JUNE 3RD. THIS SPECIFIC PUMP STATION WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1964. BARK SCREENS WERE INSTALLED IN 2009. WE'RE ANTICIPATING FULL STATION REPLACEMENT AT THIS LOCATION,

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RIGHT NOW, THE DIVISION ONLY HAS A. IT'S A SUBSTANDARD CAMERA ON A TRAILER MOUNTED APPLICATION, AND IT DOESN'T FACILITATE WHAT WE NEED IN ORDER TO AGGRESSIVELY ATTACK THE CLEANING OF THESE OUTFALL PIPES. THIS WILL PROVIDE A DELIBERATE, PROACTIVE APPROACH FOR SERVING THE SYSTEM ON A REGULAR BASIS. I THINK I EXPLAINED TO SOME OF YOU DURING OUR ONE ON ONES THAT THE CONTRACTORS THAT WE USE FOR THESE SERVICES ARE NOT LOCAL.

SO ANYTIME WE NEED SORT OF IMMEDIATE RESPONSE, IT'S ANYWHERE FROM 1 TO 2 MONTHS BEFORE WE CAN GET SOMEBODY ON SITE TO ADDRESS, ADDRESS, CLEANING AND TELEVISING OF THESE LARGER, THESE LARGER LINES. NOW, WE DO HAVE SOME EQUIPMENT ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE THAT WE CAN USE AS BACKUP. AND WE HAVE. BUT AS WE PROGRESS ON THE STORMWATER SIDE, THE STORMWATER NEEDS TO OPERATE ON ITS OWN TWO FEET AND BE ABLE TO TELEVISE AND CLEAN OUTFALLS WITHOUT RELIANCE ON THE WATER SEWER SIDE OF THE HOUSE. FINAL PROJECT WITHIN THE STORMWATER FUND IS THE CITYWIDE LAKE RESTORATION PROJECT, TO THE TUNE OF 3.3 MILLION FOR NEXT YEAR. THIS WILL ADDRESS LAKE SUZANNE. THIS WILL ACCOUNT FOR THE SILT AND MUCK REMOVAL AND ADDED LATERAL AREA RIPRAP RESTORATION ALONG THE EMBANKMENTS OF THE LAKE INLET FILTERS FOR SILT REMOVAL AND BAFFLE TO CAPTURE DEBRIS. IF YOU GO BACK AND LOOK INTO YOUR BUDGETS OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THERE WAS A PLACEHOLDER IN IN THE OUT YEARS OF THE BUDGET, AND IT ACCOUNTED FOR APPROXIMATELY 3.4 MILLION. THAT WAS TO ADDRESS LAKE SUZANNE, LAKE FOREST AND DEVILS LAKE. BASED ON RECENT ENGINEER COST ESTIMATES, LAKE SUZANNE ALONE IS COMING IN RIGHT AT 2.9 MILLION. WHEN WE ADD THE CONSTRUCTION AND INSPECTION, SERVICE, ENGINEERING AND INSPECTION SERVICES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS PROJECT, WE'RE LOOKING AT $3.3 MILLION FOR NEXT YEAR. THESE ARE SOME PICTURES THAT WERE PROVIDED BY THE ENGINEER OF RECORD REGARDING THIS PROJECT. WE ARE CONTENDING WITH SOME STRUCTURAL OBSTRUCTIONS, SOME SILT THAT'S BUILT UP IN CERTAIN PARTS OF THE THE LAKE. IT'S HARD TO SEE IN THIS MIDDLE PICTURE, BUT YOU CAN SEE WHERE SOME OF THE THE SILT IS BUILDING UP. AND THEN OFF TO THE RIGHT IS THE EROSION THAT WE'RE CONTENDING WITH ALONG THE EMBANKMENTS WHERE THE RIPRAP IS REQUIRED, AND STABILIZATION ALONG THE BANKS IS NECESSARY. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THE STORMWATER FUND. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE STORMWATER FUND? YES. VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU. LOTS OF WORK, LOTS OF NEEDED WORK. AND IT'S EXCITING TO SEE YOU ALL ADDRESSING THESE. SO SOME OF THESE WE ADDRESSED IN MY ONE ON ONE, BUT FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO GET TO HEAR. SO WHY LAKE SUZANNE VERSUS DEVILS LAKE OR SOME OTHER LAKE? WHY IS IT NEXT UP ON THE LIST? SO WHEN I WENT BACK TO STAFF AFTER WE MET AND YOU ASKED THAT QUESTION THAT WAS LISTED WITHIN THE NEXT PRIORITIES OF THE LAKE MANAGEMENT PLAN, BASED ON THE TESTING DATA, THE LEVEL OF POLLUTION OR LEVEL OF NEEDED VOLUME RETENTION, I THINK IT INCLUDED EVERYTHING. I DON'T HAVE THOSE SPECIFIC GAIT, THOSE GAUGES ON WHY THAT WAS SELECTED, BUT THAT'S IN THE RANKING THAT LAKE SUZANNE FELL OUT WITHIN THAT RANKING OF BEING ONE OF THE NEXT THREE LAKES TO IMPROVE IN DEVILS LAKE IS NEXT. AFTER THAT, DEVILS LAKE IS ACTUALLY THE THIRD LAKE. WE HAVE FOREST LAKE SCHEDULED IN YEAR THREE IN DEVILS LAKE SCHEDULED IN YEAR FIVE. OKAY. THE PHASE THREE OF THE OUTFALL PIPE PROJECT TO REPURPOSE SOME OF THE PIPES THAT ARE THERE. MAYBE NOT TODAY, BUT I'D LIKE TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHY THAT'S NEEDED, BECAUSE WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT TO GET APPROVAL FOR THE BACKUP GENERATOR AT ALLIGATOR LAKE AND BUILD THAT STATION A LOT OF

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THE $100 MILLION IN BOND PROCEEDS THAT ARE PROJECTED AS A SCARY NUMBER. IT REALLY CALLS INTO. THE THING AS, AS SEVERAL OF US HAVE MENTIONED, INCLUDING COUNCILMAN SCHULTZ, WHY WE NEED SOLID RELATIONSHIPS WITH OUR STATE DELEGATION, OUR NEW SENATOR TO BE OUR REPRESENTATIVE, OUR COUNTY COUNTERPARTS. SO WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE A SOLID STRATEGY ON HOW, ONCE THIS PLAN IS, IS READY TO BRIEF THEM AND HELP THEM UNDERSTAND WHY WE NEED IT, WHY WE'RE DOING SO MUCH, HOW WE NEED THEIR HELP, AND REALLY WORK ON THOSE RELATIONSHIPS.

BECAUSE WE DO NEED THEIR HELP. I DON'T KNOW IF $100 MILLION BOND PROCEED BOND OFFERING IS THE RIGHT NUMBER OR NOT, BUT IF WE CAN GET GRANTS AND ALL FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, STATE GOVERNMENT, COUNTY OBVIOUSLY OFFSET THAT, I DON'T KNOW. HAVE YOU SIZED BASED ON OUR BOND RATING AND OUR TAX BASE, WHAT'S THE MAXIMUM OR WHAT'S A REASONABLE BOND OFFERING SIZE? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, SO SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS IN THIS THAT YOU'RE I DON'T WANT TO SAY THIS THE RIGHT WAY. ENTERPRISE DEBT IS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR PROPERTY VALUES OR ANYTHING ELSE. THIS IS ENTERPRISE DEBT AND IT'S SOLELY BASED ON THE ESTIMATED REVENUE.

SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE GETTING READY TO GO OUT FOR THE ORIGINAL 27 MILLION ON THE OUTFALL PROJECT. AND AGAIN, THE THOSE PLACEHOLDERS OF 50 AND 50 ARE DEPENDENT UPON THE TIMING AND WHEN THEY COME TO FRUITION. BUT THE ENTERPRISE. SO THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR CAPACITY WHEN IT COMES TO PROPERTY TAXES. WE'RE NOT GOING OUT FOR ANY GEO DEBT, WHICH WOULD BE BASED ON VALUES OF PROPERTIES. WE ARE DOING. THE ONLY OTHER ONE WE ARE GOING TO PROPOSE, WHICH IS THE ONE FOR THE FIRE STATION, IS BASED ON PLEDGED REVENUE BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T DO A FIRE STATION WITHOUT GOING ON ON A GEO DEBT, WITHOUT GOING TO YOUR TAX BASE.

SO WE WOULD BE PLEDGING REVENUE AGAINST THE PUBLIC SERVICE TAX. THAT'S WHY I POINTED OUT THAT YOU'RE ONLY GENERATING $6.5 MILLION. SO SO I'M ONLY POINTING THOSE THINGS OUT. AND THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT CAPACITY AS IT PERTAINS TO YOUR PROPERTY VALUE. YOUR CAPACITY ON THE FIRE STATION IS LIMITED TO REVENUE AND YOUR CAPACITY. AND THIS IS RELATED TO FUND FEES.

SO THEREFORE THE TIMING OF EITHER NOT TO DIMINISH, WE HAVE TO RELY ON FEDERAL AND STATE AND LOCAL PARTNERS TO COMPLETE THESE PROJECTS. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THIS. I POINTED OUT TO YOU THAT WE HAVE 280 MILLION JUST IN THE FIVE BASINS. THAT WAS ESTIMATED FOR THE 20 YEAR PERIOD. WE AUTHORIZED A RATE INCREASE THAT WOULD GENERATE 168, THE TIMING OF WHICH EVERYTHING IS. WE'VE GOT A FIRST. AND THE FIRST THING IS WHERE THAT OPENED UP FROM 65 TO THESE PROJECTS. RIGHT NOW, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE SIZE, SCOPE, SCALE OF EVERY PROJECT, AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE APPLICATION ON EACH ONE OF THOSE AS WE DO IT. SO IT'S THOSE RELATIONSHIPS AND MAKING SURE WE HAVE BEGUN THOSE DESIGNS. THAT'S WHY GETTING ALLOCATING 6.5 MILLION THIS YEAR IN DESIGN IS SO ESSENTIAL. SO WE CAN HAVE THE CONCEPTUAL PROJECTS BEING ALREADY IN DESIGN. SO NOW THERE'S TIMING OF WHEN WE NEED THOSE RESOURCES.

SO THE LONG AND THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES, WE NEED THAT COMMITMENT WITH THE PARTNERS.

WE NEED TO ENGAGE THEM. I DO BELIEVE AS UPON AWARDING THE. FIRST OF ALL, WHEN WE UPON AWARDING THESE ENGINEERING CONTRACTS AND WE GO BACK TO ASK THEM FOR THE LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES THIS YEAR, THESE ONES WILL NOW BE ON THAT LIST BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY ENGAGED THOSE CONTRACTORS. AND IN FACT, BEN, I THINK HE TOUCHED ON IT MAY NOT HAVE, BUT BUT THE 17TH AVE ISN'T IS AN EXAMPLE IN THE LONG TERM SOLUTION IS WHERE WE RECEIVED, I THINK IT WAS 5.5 MILLION OR 550, 000 OF THE AWARD SPECIFICALLY FOR THE DESIGN. AND WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK FOR AND CONSTRUCTION IN SUBSEQUENT YEARS. SO ALL TRUE STATEMENTS, BUT IT IS GOING TO REQUIRE THAT CONCERTED EFFORT. AND AS THE PROJECTS COME FULLY CLOSER TO BY NAME, THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GOING TO BE WE'LL BE ASKING FOR THEM. OKAY, SO ONE SUGGESTION ON THE PAGE 120

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THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. OKAY. BECAUSE THE SOURCE OF POLLUTANTS. YEAH. WHERE IT'S COMING FROM AND WHERE IT'S AFFECTING, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY ON THAT. AND I WOULD THINK, YOU KNOW, ROADWAYS LIKE THAT AND OTHER OTHER SOURCES OF CONTAMINANTS COMING FROM DIFFERENT AREAS NEED TO EXPLORE. YEAH, THAT'S A REALLY GOOD POINT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE STATUS OF THE NORTH END. I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN WORKING SO FOCUSED ON GOOD PINE RIDGE. NO SWAN, SWAN. YEAH. FROM GOLDEN GATE PARKWAY SOUTH. WE HAVEN'T REALLY FOCUSED IN ON WHAT THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS ARE FROM TO THE NORTH. I MEAN, I'M DO WE HAVE A STATUS ON THAT IN TERMS OF WHEN YOU SAY INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS TO THE NORTH? 441 TO ADDRESS HIS QUESTION, THE ONLY THE ONLY IMPROVEMENTS THAT I'M AWARE OF WERE GENERATED ON THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE GENERATED THAT 1212 BASIN BY BASIN APPROACH TO ADDRESS CERTAIN THINGS. BUT I HAVE NOTHING SPECIFIC AT THIS TIME TO YOU, I THINK, MAYOR, ARE YOU ASKING ABOUT WHETHER 41 IS PROPOSED BEYOND GOOD NORTH? YES. OR GOLDEN GATE, GOLDEN GATE NORTH? I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF THAT. I DON'T KNOW BEN OR GEORGE, IF YOU DO. BUT WE CAN ENGAGE FDOT AND AND OR ALLISON AND SEE IF SHE KNOWS FOR THE FUTURE TO ADDRESS THAT. SWAN LAKE IS THE SAME SITUATION BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT LIKE SEVEN INFLOWS GOING INTO THAT LAKE.

AND IT'S FROM THAT 41 COMMERCIAL AREA. YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIG PART OF THAT WATERSHED.

SO WE CAN ENGAGE FDOT TO SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY PLANS. ALLISON MAY KNOW AS WELL, BUT I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANYTHING BEYOND THE GOLDEN GATE THAT IS NOW, I THINK, 29, BUT I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. YES, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, I CAN ADD FOR THE PEANUT GALLERY, SEAGATE FLOODS REGULARLY IN NAPLES. OKAY. THESE JUST WITH RAIN. SO IT'S ANOTHER ISSUE WHICH IS IN THE NORTH. THANK YOU. GOOD, GOOD. THANK. OKAY. RIGHT. RIGHT. WATER SEWER FUND, PAGE 59 OF YOUR DOCUMENT. TOTAL REQUEST FOR NEXT YEAR IS $18.5 MILLION. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FINANCIALS ON PAGE 61, THERE ARE TWO SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS TO THE WATER SEWER FUND OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, THE FIRST ONE BEING THE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT BRIEFLY, HOW THEY'RE SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTING OR TOWING IN THE WATER SEWER FUND, IF YOU WILL.

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AND THEN WE HAVE SOME NEW COMPLIANCE INITIATIVES THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH $12 MILLION IN THIS BUDGET THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY NEVER SHOWN BEFORE. SO THE THING THAT I WANT TO SAY ABOUT THIS IS OPENING UP ON THIS. AND THEN PROBABLY BRINGING IT BACK ON TIME. THE WATER FUND. WE HAVE TO. OH, THANK YOU, DAVID. WE HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE SEPTIC TO SEWER PROJECT. AND THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS. IF WE'RE GOING TO KEEP IT ON AT THIS PACE. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE BANDWIDTH WITHIN THIS FUND TO TAKE ON $26 MILLION TO REPAIR YOUR WATER LINES AT THE SAME TIME, AND THE 42 MILLION IN THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT, I'LL REMIND YOU, IS APPROXIMATELY HOMES.

IS THAT 835835 THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS. SO EVEN WITH THE GRANT AWARD THAT YOU WE HAVE ON THE TABLE, THE PRIOR SPECIAL ASSESSMENT WAS A ROUGHLY 21000. THIS ONE'S GOING TO COME IN AROUND 47 5 TO 50 ZERO ZERO $0 FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. AT THE SAME TIME, THE SPECIAL ASSESSMENT, THE LAST TIME BUILT INTO IT THAT YOU HAD THE ABILITY TO HAVE A TEN YEAR DEFERRAL OR A 20 YEAR DEFERRAL. WELL, I SUBMIT TO YOU, YOUR RATEPAYERS DON'T HAVE LIQUIDITY TO CARRY THAT KIND OF DEBT. IF 50% OF THEM CHOOSE A 20 YEAR DEFERRAL, YOU'RE IN A WORLD OF HURT FROM THE LIQUIDITY STANDPOINT. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO ENTERTAIN IT, WHETHER IT'S KEEPING IT THIS YEAR OR I'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION LATER THAT AT LEAST BE PUSHED OUT TWO YEARS, EITHER WAY, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO, TO, TO, TO PLAY NICE IN THAT REGARD. THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO PAY THEIR OWN OBLIGATIONS ON REAL TIME THROUGHOUT THE 20 YEARS OF THE ASSESSMENT TO CARRY THAT KIND OF DEBT. NOW, I POINT THAT OUT ABOUT YOU CARRYING THE 26 MILLION, BECAUSE THAT IS YOUR WATER LINES AT THE TIME. AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'D BE INSTALLING THE SEWER. THE MORE IMPORTANT PART OF THAT, THOUGH, IS THE DUPLICITY OF YOUR CRA HAVING BIG STORMWATER PROJECTS, THE CITY HAVING BIG STORMWATER PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING TO CARRY A BURDEN OR CREATE A BURDEN FOR THE WATER SEWER LINES AT THE SAME TIME. AND YOU'LL SEE WHEN YOU GET TO THE OUTFALL PROJECTS, WHEN YOU DON'T THINK OF WATER AND SEWER LINES IN THE CONFLICTS YOU'VE GOT TO SOLVE, YOU'RE PAYING ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'VE GOT TO MAKE A DECISION AS THE WATER OR THE STORMWATER PROJECTS IN YOUR INCORPORATED AREA, CORPORATE MUNICIPAL AREA, MORE IMPORTANT TO KEEP PACE WITH THEM THAN IT IS TO DO THE SEPTIC TO SEWER WITHIN YOUR SERVICE AREA, BUT

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AND THEY'RE PRIMARILY BEING BUDGETED WITHIN THE WATER DISTRIBUTION AND WASTEWATER COLLECTIONS DIVISIONS WITHIN YOUR SUMMARY PAGE. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT ASPECTS THAT I JUST WENT THROUGH FOR THAT 84, $85.4 MILLION. BUT KNOW THAT NEXT YEAR THERE'S APPROXIMATELY $4.6 MILLION THAT'S BUDGETED IN THE WATER SEWER FUND APPLICABLE TO STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS. IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT WHEN YOU GET INTO YEARS TWO THROUGH FIVE OF THE NEXT FIVE YEAR PLAN, THAT'S WHEN THINGS BEGIN TO RAMP UP, AND THAT'S WHEN WE NEED TO HAVE DIRECTION ON HOW WE HOW ARE WE GOING TO FUND THESE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS? BUT JUST AGAIN, ANOTHER RECOGNITION THAT CRA RIVER PARK EAST IS BUDGETED IN YEAR TWO OF THE FIVE YEAR PLAN. FIRST PROJECT, YOU KNOW, THE WATER SEWER FUND IS APPROXIMATELY 28 TOTAL PROJECTS. I'M ONLY GOING TO GO OVER SEVEN, WHICH REPRESENT JUST OVER 60% OF THE ENTIRE CAPITAL BUDGET, WHICH IS $11.2 MILLION. WHEN WE DID OUR ONE ON ONE ON ONES OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, I HAD, I THINK, NINE PROJECTS WHICH REPRESENTED 67%. WE'VE WE'VE TURNED THAT DOWN. ANYWAY, THE FIRST PROJECT IN THE WATER SEWER FUND FOR PURPOSES OF THE PRESENTATION TODAY, OUR RAW WATER PRODUCTION WELLS BUDGETED FOR $350,000 FOR NEXT YEAR.

AGAIN, THIS IS A RECOMMENDATION RESULTING FROM THE WELL FIELD EVALUATION THAT WAS COMPLETED EARLIER THIS YEAR. THEIR REPLACEMENT IS NECESSARY AND REQUIRED TO MAINTAIN CAPACITY TO LESSEN THE BURDEN ON THE COASTAL RIDGE WELL FIELD. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT GRAPHIC THAT'S ON YOUR SCREEN, THE WELLS AND THE INVESTMENTS THAT WE ARE PUTTING INTO OUR WELL FIELD RIGHT NOW RESIDE WITHIN THE GOLDEN GATE WELL FIELD. THAT'S THAT'S OUR PRIMARY WATER SOURCE.

WHEN PROVIDING WATER TO THE RESIDENTS OF NAPLES NEXT YEAR, OUR FOCUSING ON WELLS 403 AND 414. AND THEN IN THE OUT YEARS, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE $6 MILLION FOR CONSTRUCTION FOR THOSE TWO WELLS IN YEAR TWO OF THE FIVE YEAR PLAN. THESE PICTURES ARE JUST AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH OUT THERE. WELL, 408 WAS COMPLETED EARLIER THIS YEAR. THEY DO HAVE FACILITIES THAT THAT HOUSE THE ENTIRE WELL STRUCTURE. WELL. 426 WHICH IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW, IS THAT OUR NORTHERNMOST, THE NORTHERNMOST END OF OUR WELL FIELD, WHICH IS OFF OF RANDALL BOULEVARD, WE ACTUALLY HAD TO EXTEND A TRANSMISSION MAIN UP TO THAT. WELL, IN ORDER TO TIE IT BACK INTO THE MANIFOLD SYSTEM OUT THERE. NEXT PROJECT DISINFECTION IMPROVEMENT $700,000 BUDGETED FOR DESIGN FOR NEXT YEAR. THIS PROJECT IS DRIVEN BY A COMPLIANCE AGREEMENT WITH FDEP. STAFF DID RECEIVE A WARNING LETTER FROM THE FDEP BACK LAST SUMMER. THE CURRENT YEAR WE HAVE CONTRACTED A TIME TO A E COM TO PROVIDE AN EVALUATION FOR THIS PROJECT TO GIVE US ALTERNATIVES ON HOW WE CAN COMPLY WITH THE DISINFECTION RULE. 2627 LIKE I SAID, DID INCLUDE DESIGN RESULTING FROM THE EVALUATION. SO WHATEVER THE EVALUATION CALLS FORTH, WE HAVE DESIGN FUNDS ALLOCATED TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT. I WILL TELL YOU THESE DESIGN FUNDS ARE ACCOUNTING FOR COVERINGS OF THOSE FOUR TANKS THAT YOU SEE ON YOUR SCREEN. AT A MINIMUM, CONSTRUCTION IS ESTIMATED AT $8 MILLION FOR THOSE COVERINGS IN THE OUT YEARS AND THE NEXT COUPLE SCREENS. THE CITY OF TITUSVILLE HAS CERTAIN COMPLIANCE REQUIREMENTS, AND THESE ARE WHAT THOSE COVERINGS LOOK LIKE WHEN THEY WENT THROUGH THIS SAME PROCESS. NEXT PROJECT, PAGE 69 OF YOUR DOCUMENT. WATER AND SEWER TRANSMISSION MAINS.

AGAIN, THIS PROJECT IS BUDGETED AS A MANAGEABLE LEVEL OF EFFORT, ALMOST TO THE TUNE OF ALMOST $6 MILLION FOR NEXT YEAR. WATER MAINS THAT ARE REPLACED. THESE. THIS PROJECT ACCOUNTS FOR WATER MAINS THAT NEED TO BE REPLACED ON AN IMMEDIATE BASIS, AND THEY ALIGN WITH THE DISTRIBUTION MASTER PLAN THAT WAS PERFORMED AND COMPLETED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. THE BIGGEST THING TO TAKE AWAY FROM THIS IS THE FACT THAT THE RIVER PARK EAST IS BUDGETED FOR IN YEAR TWO, TO THE TUNE OF

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AND THEN THERE'S THE, THE OBVIOUSLY THE TRIANGLE AND THE IMPACT OF THE DEVELOPMENT THERE.

RIGHT. DID WE GET ANY OF THEIR IMPACT FEES, ASSUMING THEY'RE COLLECTING IMPACT FEES ON ALL THAT NEW REDEVELOPMENT IN THE BAYSHORE CRA? THE ONLY IMPACT, IF IT'S IN OUR WATER, SEWER DISTRICT, SEWER DISTRICT FOR CAPACITY IMPROVEMENTS AS IT RELATES TO WATER PLANT, WE WOULD GET THOSE IMPACT FEES BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE'RE SERVICING THERE. BUT SO HE JUST MADE ME THINK THAT THEY DO HAVE CRA FUNDS. I CERTAINLY HOPE THOSE CRA FUNDS ARE BEING USED. LIKE WE HAVE SHIFTED OUR PRIORITIES FOR CRA TO INFRASTRUCTURE. ANOTHER TOPIC OF CONVERSATION FOR OUR JOINT MEETING. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. GOOD. YOUR COMPLETE. THIS THIS SLIDE IS JUST IS IN SUPPORT OF THE PREVIOUS SLIDE IN REGARD TO COLLIER COUNTY JOINT PROJECTS.

OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN SEE THE CITY LIMITS OUTLINED IN BLACK AND THEN WHERE THEY WHERE THEY CURRENTLY RESIDE IN TERMS OF WHERE WE'RE HAVING TO RELOCATE UTILITIES. AGAIN, THE TWO BIG STARS THAT ARE BETWEEN US 41 AND GOODLETTE ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF THAT SEPTIC TO SEWER PROJECT. I WILL TELL YOU THIS. YOU'LL SEE A GREEN STAR DOWN THERE ON AIRPORT ROAD THAT HAS TO DO WITH A TEN INCH FORCE MAIN THAT WE NEED TO NOT REPLACE IN CONJUNCTION WITH A STORMWATER COLLIER COUNTY STORMWATER PROJECT. YOU WILL SEE SOMETHING ON JUNE 3RD FOR THE AWARD OF A CONTRACT CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT TO D N HIGGINS FOR REPLACING THAT MAIN.

THERE ARE 12 LOCATIONS ALONG THAT MAIN THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO OTHERWISE DEFLECT AND STILL PAY FOR, BUT CONSIDERING THE AGE OF THE MAIN, IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT WE REPLACE IT IN ITS ENTIRETY ALONG WITH THIS PROJECT, AND THAT WILL. AGAIN, YOU WILL SEE THAT ON JUNE 3RD UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR THAT PROJECT, AGAIN, A JOINT PROJECT WITH COLLIER COUNTY.

YOU'VE SEEN THIS A MOMENT AGO. THIS IS THE THE OTHER JOINT PROJECT THAT IS IN THE OUT YEAR, YEAR TWO OF YOUR FIVE YEAR PLAN. IF YOU FOCUS ON THAT BLUE STAR DOWN IN THE MIDDLE, COLLIER COUNTY IS ACTUALLY PERFORMING A TRANSPORTATION PROJECT FROM GREEN BOULEVARD SOUTH TO WHAT I'M GOING TO SAY, WOLF LODGE. AND THEY'RE EXPANDING COUNTY ROAD. 951. AND IT IS REQUIRING

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THAT'S WHAT MA STANDS FOR, CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT GROUNDWATER MANAGEMENT STRATEGIES, WELLS WILL BE UTILIZED TO RECHARGE SUITABLE SOURCE WATER INTO THE AQUIFER SYSTEM, AND THAT'S PRIMARILY TO AVOID FUTURE DISCHARGE TO NAPLES BAY FROM THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, SEWER MAINS, LATERALS AND MANHOLES BEING BUDGETED TO THE TUNE OF 5.1 MILLION FOR NEXT YEAR. THIS IS THE SAME THING, BUT ON THE SEWER SIDE. IN REGARDS TO THE WATER DISCUSSION, WE JUST HAD, THE BIGGEST THING TO TAKE AWAY FROM THIS THIS SLIDE IS THE FACT THAT THERE'S 2.6 MILLION OF THE 5.1 MILLION BEING BUDGETED TO ACCOUNT FOR THE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS. AGAIN, THIS IS PLANNED. THESE PLANNED IMPROVEMENTS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH SEWER GRAVITY, MAIN REPLACEMENTS, SEWER PUMP STATIONS AND FOREST MAIN REPLACEMENTS. AGAIN, RIVER PARK EAST IS BUDGETED IN YEAR TWO FOR THE SEWER ELEMENT TO THE TUNE OF $8 MILLION IN YEAR TWO OF THE WASTEWATER COLLECTIONS DIVISION. AND AGAIN, THIS IS SOME PICTURES TO SHOW YOU WHAT WE ACCOUNT FOR WHEN WE'RE EITHER INSTALLING OR REPLACING STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE. STUART. SEWER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE IS GAUGED ON A HIGHER PERCENTAGE METRIC, IF YOU WILL, IN COMPARISON TO THE WATER, BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH DEEPER MAINS, SEWER PUMP STATIONS, THINGS THAT COST MORE TO EITHER RELOCATE OR REDESIGN THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH STORMWATER SIDE OF THE HOUSE. FINAL FINAL PROJECT WITHIN THE WATER SEWER FUND IS A NEW ADDITION, A JET VAC TRUCK FOR NEXT YEAR TO THE TUNE OF $650,000. THIS IS CRITICAL CRITICAL PIECE OF EQUIPMENT FOR CLEANING, REMOVING DEBRIS BLOCKAGES AND SEWER PUMP STATION MAINTENANCE. RIGHT NOW, OUR GOAL IS TO CLEAN 15 TO 25% OF THE ENTIRE SEWER COLLECTION SYSTEM ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. THAT'S AN INDUSTRY STANDARD, IF YOU WILL. THAT'S THAT REPRESENTS ABOUT 27 TO 45 MILES OF OUR SEWER COLLECTION SYSTEM RIGHT NOW WITH OUR EXISTING SINGLE TRUCK, WE'RE AVERAGING ABOUT 11 MILES PER YEAR. AND THEN AGAIN, THIS IS TO CREATE A REDUNDANCY FACTOR AND ENHANCE THE OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY AND PREVENTATIVE MAINTENANCE THAT SUPPORTS REGULATORY COMPLIANCE. RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY 177 GRAVITY MAINS OR SEWER MAINS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THIS OPERATION WITHIN OUR SYSTEM. WITH THAT, ANY QUESTIONS ON WATER. SEWER. SHORT, WHEN WE'RE REPLACING MAINS AND SOME OF THE SUNDRY OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING, ARE WE UPSIZING THE REPLACEMENTS? ARE WE PUTTING IN THE SAME SIZE PIPES? ARE WE GOING TO ACTUALLY EXPAND? THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S A COMMON DESIGN INITIATIVE THAT WE CONSIDER EVERY TIME THAT WE GO TO REPLACE SOMETHING SPECIFICALLY ON THE WATER SIDE, ANYWHERE WE CAN UPSIZE MAINS TO INCLUDE FIRE PROTECTION, FIRE HYDRANTS. THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS THAT DON'T HAVE THAT, THAT WHEN WE DO THAT, WE DO UPSIZE FOR THOSE SPECIFIC PURPOSES AND CAPACITY, DEPENDING ON WHAT'S BEING DEVELOPED OR WHAT WE ANTICIPATE TO BE DEVELOPED. WE DON'T WANT TO GO BACK IN YEARS LATER AND HAVE TO TEAR UP A ROAD AGAIN TO UPSIZE A MAIN. SO THAT'S ALWAYS CONSIDERED. YEAH, THE CONCERN, I BELIEVE IT WAS, I THINK ON 17TH STREET OVER IN AQUILINE, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT A PIPE REPLACEMENT THAT HAD GONE IN AND IT WAS THE SAME SIZE OR WITH NO EXPANSION. IT WAS JUST THE SAME SIZE. I COULD HAVE THE WRONG LOCATION. BUT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT WE PUT IN A PIPE THAT WAS LIKE THE SAME SIZE THAT WAS FAULTY? WAS THAT WAS THAT ON THE STORMWATER SIDE OR WAS THAT I BELIEVE I BELIEVE IT WAS STORMWATER. OKAY. OKAY. IS IT A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE TO GET BY AND THE PROJECT? THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. IF IT'S A LARGER PROJECT, YOU THINK THAT IT WAS OR REPAIR AND MAINTENANCE, SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T. IF ALL YOU'RE DOING IS REPAIRING A SMALL SECTION AND YOU'RE NOT DOING TO PUT A BIGGER PIPE IN BETWEEN TWO SMALL PIPES DOESN'T DO. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO DELINEATE BETWEEN WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. YEAH, I'VE TALKED TO SO MANY DIFFERENT RESIDENTS AND PEOPLE HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT ISSUES, BUT THEY WERE COMPLAINING THAT THE ONE ISSUE IN PARTICULAR WAS A PIPE WAS FLAWED IN WHAT WAS COMING IN. PUTTING IN IT WAS THE VERY SAME SIZE. SO IT DIDN'T REALLY ACCOMPLISH MUCH. SO THAT THAT WAS AND I WISH I COULD REMEMBER I SHOULD START MAKING NEW STAFF NOW. WE DID ANSWER IT WITH THAT. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I THINK IT ALSO DEPENDS IF

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BUT, BUT CAN YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON THAT AS TO WHAT THAT WOULD AM I AM I OFF BASE ON THAT? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE RIGHT ANSWER. AND SO ONE OF THE INITIATIVES WE HAVE, MEANING CITY PUBLIC UTILITIES RENEWAL PROGRAM. SO IF WE GO INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD FULL SCALE DEMONSTRATION PROJECT IN RIVER PARK EAST AND PILOT PROJECT BEING 17TH AVE.

SO WHEN WE GO INTO THOSE PLACES, THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT NOT ONLY UPSIZING, BUT MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE INCREASING CAPACITY OF THE STORMWATER DISCHARGE. I THINK THE AREA YOU WERE REFERRING TO MIGHT HAVE BEEN OR MIGHT BE WESTERN LEAGUE. AND THAT WAS A SPOT REPAIR, LEATHER LANE SPOT REPAIR. AS OUR MANAGER INDICATED, WHEN YOU GET INTO SPOT REPAIR, YOU REPLACE THE PIPE IN THERE THAT IS COLLAPSED AND OR COMPROMISED. SO THAT'S WHY YOU SEE OUR APPROACH BEING THREE B'S BASED ON BY BASIN MOVE FROM SPOT REPAIRS TO ENHANCE AND IMPROVE THE STORMWATER SYSTEM WHERE WE HAVE THE HOTSPOTS. SO THE WAY WE CAN HANDLE HOTSPOTS IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE ENVISIONING. AND THAT IS WHEN WE GO THERE. IF WE'RE GONNA DO 4 OR 5, SIX HOT SPOT REPAIRS, IF THE COST IS 600 ZERO ZERO $0, I'M PULLING NUMBERS FROM AIR. AND HOWEVER FULL REPLACEMENT IS GOING TO BE 1.2, $1.6 MILLION. THEN WITH QUICK ENGINEERING, IT ONLY MAKES SENSE TO ENHANCE IMPROVE THE CAPACITY OF THE DISCHARGE AND PUT TO LARGER PIPES IN. AND THAT GOES TO DIFFERENCE. AS OUR MANAGER WAS MENTIONING, R&R REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT VERSUS CITY PER PROGRAM. AND THAT IS PUBLIC UTILITIES RENEWAL PROGRAM FOR WATER, SEWER AS WELL AS STORMWATER TO SIMULTANEOUSLY ENHANCE, IMPROVE, BASICALLY BUILD OUR INFRASTRUCTURE INSIDE OUT, BOTTOM UP. I HOPE I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. THANK YOU. YES.

YES, KRAMER. YES. JUST VERY QUICKLY, BECAUSE WE KIND OF GLOSSED. WELL, FIRST, LET ME SAY THIS. WE ALL HAD INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HOW MUCH WE BEAT ON THAT, BUT YOU GUYS DID A GREAT JOB IN OUR INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS AND SO MUCH. IT'S A VOLUME OF INFORMATION TO MAKE IT PALATABLE SO WE CAN KIND OF EAT THE ELEPHANT IN SMALL BITES. I MEAN, IT'S FANTASTIC. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THEN IF YOU WANT TO SLIDE 42 OF THIS DECK, IT'S PAGE 69 IN THE BOOK, THE CONFLICTS CONFLICT RESOLUTION. YEAH. YOU JUST PASSED IT. I THINK. YEAH. NEXT SLIDE. I WANT THE PICTURES OF IT ACTUALLY. YEAH. YEAH. GOTCHA. I DON'T THINK PEOPLE REALIZE WHEN THEY GET MAD ABOUT HOW LONG SOMETHING TAKES, LIKE WE CAN WE WE'RE DIGGING, WE'RE YOU SCAN FOR EVERYTHING. BUT IN REAL LIFE AND I'VE BEEN THE GUY WITH THE. YOU GOT A HAND SHOVEL THIS STUFF BECAUSE YOU DON'T BUST SOMETHING OPEN. AND IT TAKES TIME, AND WE CAN'T ACCOUNT FOR THIS IN ADVANCE UNTIL YOU START DIGGING. YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S DOWN THERE A LOT OF TIMES. AND SO I JUST WANT I'M SAYING THAT JUST FOR THE RECORD, LIKE THERE ARE BUMPS IN THE ROAD AND WE TRY TO ACCOUNT FOR EVERY ONE OF THEM IN ADVANCE. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE. AND SO EVERYBODY WANTS THE PROJECTS TO GO AS QUICKLY AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN, SAFELY AND QUICKLY AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN. AND WE'RE DOING THAT EXCLAMATION POINT ON THAT.

SO THANKS, BEN, JUST TO ECHO YOUR COMMENT, AND I SAID THIS IN SOME OF THE ONE ON ONES CITY COUNCIL APPROVED LAST APRIL JUST OVER $2 MILLION TO DEAL WITH THIS RESOLUTION CONFLICT WORK. RIGHT. AND THEN FAST FORWARD TO NOVEMBER 5TH, CITY COUNCIL INCREASED THAT AUTHORIZATION UP TO $5 MILLION JUST TO CONTEND WITH WHAT WE WERE DEALING WITH IN THESE PICTURES. AND I CAN TELL YOU, TO DATE, WE'VE SPENT BETWEEN 3 AND $4 MILLION ON THIS CONTRACT RESOLUTION, CONFLICT RESOLUTION WORK THAT WE DIDN'T ANTICIPATE ALMOST A YEAR AGO. SO IT'S IT'S EVERY BIT OF THE SENSE OF THE WORD REAL ON ALL LEVELS. AND IT'S JUST TIME. THAT'S RIGHT.

JUST CAN'T ACCOUNT FOR IT. AND NONETHELESS, WE'RE DOING THE VERY BEST WE CAN TO DO IT AS QUICKLY AND AS EFFICIENTLY AS WE CAN, WHICH IS WHY GIS IS SO VERY IMPORTANT. YES, VICE MAYOR,

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BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTH PURSUING. LET ME JUST DOVETAIL INTO THAT, GARY, TO THE GRANT FUNDING. IF YOU GO BACK TO THE FINANCIAL PAGE AND YOU LOOK AT THAT $10.5 MILLION THAT WAS AWARDED BASED ON THE ENTIRE AREA. SO WHEN WE START AND WE TALKED TO CHRIS ROWE ABOUT THIS IN THE PRELIMINARY STAGES, WHEN WE START LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY SLICING THIS PROJECT UP, WE COULD POTENTIALLY FORFEIT SOME OF THAT GRANT FUNDING. THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WILL HAVE TO BE DISCUSSED AND VETTED AND WORK THROUGH, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER CONSIDERATION. SO THE ONE THING I WOULD LIKE BEFORE WE LEFT THE WATER AREA, FIRST, I THINK THE SEPTIC TO SEWER PROJECT, I MEAN, WE CAN LEAVE IT IN THE OUT YEAR, BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL THAT WE TRY TO REFLECT IT. WHAT IS GIVEN THE WORKLOAD THAT WE'RE TAKING ON AND THE AMOUNT OF EXPENSES WE HAVE INTERNALLY TO REFLECT AT LEAST EITHER 1 OR 2 YEARS OUT. I MEAN, IF IT WAS MY DRUTHERS, I'D HAVE IT AS TWO UNTIL WE MET WITH THE COUNTY AND SAID, IF WE WANT TO PULL IT BACK, WHAT IS YOUR ABILITY TO ASSIST WITH THOSE THIS PROJECT, BECAUSE AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE KNOW WHAT WE HAVE IN WITHIN OUR CORPORATE BOUNDARIES THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET DONE, AND OUR STRAIN ON RESOURCES FOR OUR POTABLE WATER AND DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM, THAT IT JUST MAKES SENSE TO PUSH IT OUT A LITTLE BIT. SO FOR ME, IT'S ANOTHER TWO, BUT AT MINIMUM AT LEAST ANOTHER ONE. AND WE'D LIKE THAT TO BE REFLECTIVE IN THE BUDGET AS WE WENT INTO AUGUST. SO I WAS JUST KIND OF SEEING IF I CAN GET CONSENSUS ON FOR US TO GIVE YOU A CONSENSUS. YES, SIR.

YEAH. I UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING YOU SAID, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT SEVERAL TIMES IN TWO YEARS. MAKES SENSE IN LIGHT. YOUR RECOMMENDATION IN LIGHT OF WHAT ELSE YOU HAVE GOING ON, I JUST WOULD HATE FOR IT TO SLIP TOO FAR BECAUSE IT IS A BIG WATER QUALITY IMPROVEMENT INITIATIVE THAT THE CITY AND THE COUNTY STARTED YEARS AGO, SO JUST DON'T WANT TO LOSE TRACK OF IT AND HAVE IT DEFERRED INDEFINITELY. BUT BUT CERTAINLY A COUPLE OF YEARS DOESN'T SEEM LIKE IT WOULD HURT. IT'S ALSO, I THINK. SOMETHING THAT BIG CYPRESS BASIN OR SOME OR WATERSHED. I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T UTILIZED THOSE GRANTS AS MUCH. AND THAT CITY COUNTY, THAT'S A PROJECT THAT'S I DON'T KNOW, I KIND OF MENTIONED IT IN MY ONE ON ONES, BUT THAT WE

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IT'S JUST RIGHT NOW, I THINK IT'S THE IT'S THE PRUDENT MOVE. AND AND I ALSO TO THAT POINT IS STAFFING, AS YOU SAID, THAT'S A BIG KEY. HOW THE HOW DO WE DIVERSIFY AND NOT LOSE FOCUS ON SO MANY PROJECTS? SO I UNDERSTAND THE COMPLICATED ISSUES WITHIN THIS PROJECT. YES, SIR. I CERTAINLY MY CONSENSUS STANDS. I JUST WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, IT'S. IT'S NOT TO SUGGEST THAT THIS ISN'T IMPORTANT. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT. THAT'S WHY IT WAS ON THE AGENDA TO BEGIN WITH. BUT THE REALITY IS THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN INFINITE PILE OF MONEY. OUR, OUR OUR MONEY GROWS, ONLY GROWS SO MANY TREES, SO MANY DOLLARS. SO THE REALITY IS, IS THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SPENDING THAT MONEY AS EFFICIENTLY, AS EFFECTIVELY AS POSSIBLE, AND WE ARE BEING PROPER STEWARDS OF THAT MONEY. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING BY SAYING, HEY, THIS IS NOT TO SUGGEST THAT THIS ISN'T IMPORTANT. IT IS IMPORTANT, BUT WE HAVE TO DELAY IT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT OTHER THINGS WE HAVE TO PAY FOR. OKAY. YOU GOT YOUR YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. PRIORITIES AND CONSENSUS. THANK YOU. STREETS FUND, PAGE 105 OF YOUR DOCUMENT. TOTAL REQUEST IN THE STREETS FUND IS JUST UNDER 2 MILLION FOR NEXT YEAR. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FINANCIALS ON PAGE 106, AGAIN THE FUND IS TELECOM TAX DEPENDENT. IT DOES INCLUDE A DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTION AND YEAR 2526 FOR THE BROAD AVENUE SOUTH AND GORDON DRIVE INTERSECTION.

THE EXPENSE ALSO IS ACTUALLY CALCULATED WITHIN THESE FINANCIALS AS WELL. BUT IF THE THAT INTERSECTION DOES NOT WARRANT THOSE SIGNAL SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS, APPROXIMATELY $575,000 WOULD REVERT BACK INTO THE FUND, WHICH WOULD ALMOST CORRECT YEAR THREE OF THE UNRESTRICTED NET POSITION WITHIN THE STREETS FUND. YOU'LL NOTICE THERE IS A NOTE, THE FIRST NOTE AT THE BOTTOM. ADDITIONAL REVENUE SOURCES WOULD BE NEEDED TO FUND THE PROJECT SHOWN IN 28, 29, AND BEYOND. SO THERE IS A RECOGNITION THAT REVENUES NEEDED NEED TO BE TALKED ABOUT WITHIN THIS FUND. ON A SIDE NOTE, KEEP IN MIND THAT TWO INTERSECTIONS OF THE 5 OR 6 REMAINING ARE FUNDED FROM THE $0.01 SALES TAX, WHICH IS HARBOR HARBOR DRIVE AND CREIGHTON AND NINTH AND 10TH AVENUE SOUTH. IN ADDITION TO THAT, CRA APPROVED $22 MILLION FOR THE RIVER PARK EAST, AND PART OF THAT $22 MILLION WAS A $4.2 MILLION INITIATIVE FOR THE STREETS ELEMENT THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE FUNDED FROM THE STREETS FUND. SO CONSIDERING THOSE ARE NOT IMPACTING THE FUND AS IT'S CURRENTLY BEEN CALCULATED, IF THEY WERE, IT WOULD PUSH THE FUND INTO THAT MUCH MORE OF A NEGATIVE POSITION. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS BEFORE I GO ON OR I'LL WAIT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SUMMARY OF CAPITAL PROJECTS ON PAGE 107, AGAIN, RESURFACING IS BEING BUDGETED TO THE TUNE OF 1.5 MILLION FOR NEXT YEAR. THAT INCLUDES SEVEN. I'LL GET TO THAT IN A MINUTE. SEVEN STREET SEGMENTS FOR. FOR TODAY'S PURPOSES, I WILL TOUCH ON THIS RESURFACING AND THE TRAFFIC CONTROL CABINETS. IT. IT DOES WARRANT THAT IT DOES INCLUDE $150,000 ALLOCATION FOR THE PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE MASTER PLAN PROJECTS, WHICH WE TALKED ABOUT IN OUR ONE ON ONES. IN ADDITION TO THE PURCHASE OF THREE SERVICE VEHICLES, TWO OF THEM BEING REPLACEMENTS AND ONE BEING IN ADDITION TO ACCOUNT FOR THE REPURPOSING OF STAFF. ONE THING TO NOTATE ON THE SUMMARY IS THAT AT THE BOTTOM SEAWALL REPLACEMENTS, THERE'S NOTHING BUDGETED FOR NEXT YEAR.

IT IS SHOWN ON THE STREETS FUND, BUT IT IS BEING FUNDED OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND, AND THIS ACCOUNTS FOR THE DAMAGED SEAWALLS UP ON GULF SHORE BOULEVARD NORTH, RESULTING FROM A SETTLEMENT FROM HURRICANE IRMA. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THAT, PROJECT, DESIGN IS ANTICIPATED TO BE COMPLETE BY THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. SO THAT 4.5 MILLION THAT'S BUDGETED IN THE CURRENT YEAR WILL BE ROLLED OVER. AND WE HOPE TO BRING BACK TO YOU BEFORE THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR, CALENDAR YEAR, A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT FOR OUTLOTS A AND B, WHICH IS REPRESENTATIVE OF THAT 4.5 MILLION. AND BEFORE HE LEAVES

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I'LL GO BACK ONE SCREEN AND THE GRANT CIRCLED IS 575. THAT'S AT THE OLD NAPLES HOTEL, WHICH YOU HAVE INTERSECTIONS. THERE'S AN EXPENDITURE PART OF WHAT, 1,000,001 50 IS THE OFFSET TO THAT. SO THAT 575 PLUS THE 3.3 MILLION IS JUST UNDER 4 MILLION OF WHAT WOULD BE YOUR $4.4 MILLION DEFICIT. SO IN THE FIVE YEAR PLAN, THE REASON WE POINT THAT OUT TO YOU IS THESE ARE WHAT WE WERE ON PACE TO GET DONE. BUT IF PUSH COMES TO SHOVE, THOSE ARE THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO FOREGO IN IN YEARS WHEN IF THAT DOESN'T COME BACK IN. SO I JUST POINT THAT OUT SO THAT IT JUST GETS PUTS A FACE ON THE TYPES OF THINGS YOU CAN DO WITH THAT INFRASTRUCTURE TASK THAT MAY OR MAY NOT COME TO FRUITION WITHOUT IT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. GOOD POINTS.

ANNUAL PAVEMENT RESURFACING PROGRAM. I TOLD YOU THAT WE ARE BUDGETING, OR YOU'VE HEARD EARLIER THAT IT'S 1.5 MILLION SLATED FOR NEXT YEAR OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, A QUARTER MILE, WHICH INCLUDES TWO TRAVEL LANES. OUR IS ESTIMATED AT AROUND $130,000. FOR RESURFACING ACTIVITIES. YOU WILL NOTICE ON YOUR SUMMARY THAT NEXT YEAR IS SLOTTED FOR 1.5 MILLION, BUT WE ARE SHOWING THAT DIGRESSING IN YEARS TWO THROUGH FIVE OF THE PLAN, JUST TO ACCOUNT FOR THE REVENUES THAT ARE DEFICIENT WITHIN THIS FUND. AND ONE ASPECT TO COMBAT THAT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT NEXT YEAR'S PAVING PLAN, WE HAVE SEVEN STREET SEGMENTS. WE'VE ACCOMMODATED ABOUT TEN MILES PER YEAR OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS. NEXT YEAR PROBABLY WILL BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 5 AND 7 MILES. TWO OF THOSE STREET SEGMENTS THAT ARE PLANNED FOR REPAVING IS BANYAN BOULEVARD AND FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH. AND AS YOU'RE AWARE, BANYAN BOULEVARD INCLUDES SIX FOOT BIKE LANES ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT ROAD. IN ADDITION TO ON SITE PARKING ON FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH. SO WE'RE PUTTING DOWN THE SAME AMOUNT OF ASPHALT, BUT BECAUSE OF THE WIDTH OF THOSE ROADWAYS, THE MILEAGE ACTUALLY LOOKS LESS TRAFFIC CONTROL CABINETS. THE FINAL PROJECT THAT I'LL TOUCH ON IN THE STREETS FUND, THERE'S CURRENTLY 40 TRAFFIC CONTROL CABINETS CITYWIDE. ALL BUT THREE WERE DAMAGED AS A RESULT OF HURRICANE IAN. THE ONLY THREE THAT REMAINED WERE ON THAT HIGH RIDGE ALONG 10TH STREET NORTH AT FLESHMAN BOULEVARD, SEVENTH AVE NORTH AND FIFTH AVE NORTH. THE PURPOSE OF THESE CABINETS IS TO PROTECT ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT, CONTROLLERS, COMMUNICATIONS THAT CONTROL THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS. THIS REQUESTS FOR $90,000 WILL REPLACE THOSE THREE AND STANDARDIZE THEM WITH CURRENT TECHNOLOGY AND CONTROLS.

AS PART OF OUR TRAFFIC CONTROL SYSTEM. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE STREETS FUND? NO SOLID WASTE.

JUST OVER $1 MILLION BUDGETED FOR CAPITAL FOR NEXT YEAR. PAGE ONE. 14 IS THE FINANCIALS.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT STANDS OUT. THE FUND IS ACTUALLY PERFORMING VERY WELL. WE DO ANTICIPATE TO REVIEW RATES IN THE NEXT 18 TO 24 MONTHS. AS YOU'RE AWARE, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BACK IN NOVEMBER WITH LEE COUNTY TO CONTINUE THE PROCESSING OF RECYCLED MATERIAL. THERE'S THREE PROJECTS SLATED FOR THE SOLID WASTE FUND FOR NEXT YEAR.

FOR PURPOSES OF TODAY'S PRESENTATION, I'LL JUST TOUCH ON ONE OF THOSE, WHICH IS OUR LARGE TRUCKS, WHICH REPRESENTS ALMOST 75% OF THE ENTIRE CAPITAL BUDGET. THERE ARE TWO TRUCKS UP FOR REPLACEMENT FOR NEXT YEAR, ONE OF THEM BEING A ROLL OFF TRUCK OFF TO THE LEFT, WHICH DOES MEET REPLACEMENT CRITERIA. AND THEN THE THE TRUCK TO THE RIGHT IS A HYBRID NEW ADDITION, WHICH IS GOING TO REPLACE SOME OF THE RESERVE UNITS WITHIN OUR FLEET. AS I EXPLAINED IN SOME OF OUR ONE ON ONES, WE USE THAT FRONT LOAD VEHICLE TO PICK UP RECYCLABLE MATERIAL ON GULF SHORE BOULEVARD NORTH IN LOCATIONS WHERE WE PREVIOUSLY HAD 20 TO 30 RECYCLE CARTS, THAT WE WOULD USE THE ONE ARMED BANDIT TO COLLECT. WE'VE ENHANCED EFFICIENCIES, PLACED DUMPSTERS AT SOME OF THOSE LOCATIONS, AND WE PUT MORE PRESSURE ON OUR FRONT LOAD FLEET AS A RESULT OF SOME OF THOSE CHANGES, AND THAT'S CONSTITUTING SOME OF THE REPLACEMENT ON THAT VEHICLE. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE SOLID WASTE FUND? SEEING NONE.

EQUIPMENT SERVICES FUND NEXT YEAR'S REQUEST IS $150,000, WHICH INCLUDES TWO DIFFERENT PROJECTS. THE FIRST PROJECT IS $75,000. THAT'S FOR THE EVALUATION AND DESIGN FOR THE

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IT'S A LOT OF EFFORT THERE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. IT IS. THE GOAL HAS BEEN ACHIEVED AND IT'S 1240. AND WE'LL TAKE A LUNCH BREAK AND THEN COME BACK FOR THE REST OF CIP. SO 20 MINUTES, 15. NO, OKAY. WE'RE BACK IN FROM OUR LUNCH AND WE ARE JUST FINISHED OUR CIP CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS FOR STREET STORMWATER AND SEWER. AND WE ARE GOING INTO BUILDING DEPARTMENT. MR. YOUNG, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NOPE. OKAY. WE'LL JUST CONTINUE WITH MR. BECKMAN. MR. AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR COUNCIL. STEVE BECKMAN, AGAIN, DIRECTOR OF BUILDING SERVICES. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE. WE JUMPED. THERE WE GO. JUMPED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ALL OF A SUDDEN AND NOT REALLY PREPARED FOR THAT CONVERSATION.

THERE WE GO. THANK YOU DAVID. ALL RIGHT. SO TO START OFF, SO OUR BUILDING FUND THIS YEAR IS REQUESTING TO REPLACE TWO VEHICLES THAT WE HAVE THAT HAVE MET THE MET, THE CRITERIA FOR REPLACEMENT. AND AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER IN MY CONVERSATION WITH YOU ALL ABOUT THE FEES, WE'RE PIVOTING TO A BUILDING REMODEL INSTEAD OF PUTTING MONEY ASIDE FOR POTENTIALLY A NEW BUILDING. AND THAT BASED ON A CHANGE IN THE LAW THIS YEAR IN SENATE BILL 1614, WHICH ACTUALLY WORKS REALLY WELL FOR US BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE WE NEED MORE SPACE AND POTENTIALLY HOW WE WERE TO REDO OUR LOBBY AREA. WE COULD. AND, AND ALSO TO. READDRESS HOW WE HAVE OUR INSPECTOR AREA SET UP AND SOME OF OUR, OUR, OUR WORKSTATIONS MAY BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, GET WHAT WE NEED NOT ONLY FOR NOW, BUT FOR POTENTIALLY DOWN THE ROAD IN, IN THE FUTURE. SO OUR REQUEST THIS YEAR IS FOR UP TO 1.334. I HAVE UP TO. BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GOING THROUGH GETTING SOME PRELIMINARY DESIGNS PUT TOGETHER AND THEN GETTING SOME FIGURES FOR A BUDGET. SO WE DON'T HAVE A SET FIGURE THERE, BUT I PUT A PLACEHOLDER IN THERE TO COVER WHAT I BELIEVE IS GOING TO PROVIDE FOR THESE RENOVATIONS.

SO AS I MENTIONED, SENATE BILL 1614 CHANGED THE LAW TO REALLY ALLOW RENOVATIONS REMODELS IN LIEU OF NEW CONSTRUCTION. AND WE'VE BEEN SETTING THE FUNDS ASIDE SINCE THE 2223 FISCAL YEAR UP UNTIL 2425. SO WE DID USE SOME OF THAT MONEY FOR WHAT WAS ALLOWED WITH TECHNOLOGY ENHANCEMENTS. AND WE HAVE A LITTLE A LITTLE UNDER 2.5 IN THERE RIGHT NOW. SO IT WILL GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT SOME OF THAT MONEY BACK INTO OUR FUND. WHEN WE WHEN WE SET FUNDS ASIDE, WE WERE NOT IN A POSITION OR WE WE DIDN'T EXCEED THE ALLOWABLE AMOUNT. SO WE CAN WE CAN PUT BACK WHAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO NEED, WHICH I DON'T ANTICIPATE NEEDING. LIKE I SAID, MORE THAN 1.22 VEHICLES WERE REPLACING IS A 2007 F-150 AND A 2013 F-150. BOTH HAVE SERVED US QUITE WELL, AND HIS TIME. BASED ON THE MAINTENANCE COSTS TO KEEP THOSE RUNNING, IT'S IT'S THEY'RE GOOD TO REPLACE. SO AS I MENTIONED, WE STARTED TO SET ASIDE MONEY. WE USED SOME OF

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SO WE'VE MADE THE CHOICE TO GO TO FORD RANGERS. AND WITH THAT I'LL LEAVE IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? MR. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE ALREADY HAD OUR QUESTIONS EARLIER. GOOD AFTERNOON. WE ARE MOVING TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. YES, VERY QUICK REQUEST HERE. WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR ONE ONE REQUEST HERE.

AND THAT'S FOR A VEHICLE. SO AS YOU KNOW WE ARE REQUIRED TO DO INSPECTIONS ON ALL DRB APPLICATIONS. SO ONCE A IF A PROJECT GOES THROUGH DESIGN REVIEW, ONCE IT'S APPROVED AND COMPLETED PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CO OR CLOSING OUT THE PERMIT A CC, WE GO AND WE DO AN INSPECTION OF THAT BUILDING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS BUILT CORRECT CORRECTLY AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE APPROVED PLAN. SO THAT'S THE LANDSCAPING, THE FINISHED MATERIAL AND EVERYTHING ELSE. SO WE DO THOSE INSPECTIONS. WE ALSO DO SITE VISITS. IF SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A SITUATION GOING ON IN MY PROPERTY, LIKE SOMEONE TO COME OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT IT. WE DO A LOT OF ON SITE VISITS AND THEN ALSO VISITING SITES BEFORE WHEN AN APPLICATION IS SUBMITTED JUST TO, YOU KNOW, SEE THE SEE THE SITE. AND BEFORE WE DO OUR ANALYSIS OF A PROJECT. SO WE DO OUR STAFF, WE ARE ASKING FOR ONE VEHICLE THIS YEAR. WE DO NOT HAVE A DEPARTMENT VEHICLE. CURRENTLY, MY STAFF IS VISITING ALL THESE JOB SITES, DRIVING AROUND THE CITY IN THEIR OWN PERSONAL VEHICLES, WHICH IS BECOMING PROBLEMATIC. WE DID HAVE ONE STAFF MEMBER VISITED A JOB SITE, AN ACTIVE CONSTRUCTION SITE, AND ENDED UP WITH NAILS IN THREE OF HER TIRES. AND THEN IT WAS HER FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY TO REPLACE THAT ON HER OWN. SO WE'RE ASKING IF WE FOR ONE VEHICLE FOR THE PURPOSE OF DOING THE SITE VISITS AND DRIVING THROUGHOUT THE CITY, THAT'S IT'S OUR ENTIRE REQUEST, ONE $50,000 VEHICLE. ANY QUESTIONS? WHAT KIND OF VEHICLE WOULD YOU NEED? DON'T, DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE.

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YOU'LL HAVE TO GET ONE FOR EVERYONE. OKAY. YOU DO HAVE A QUESTION. OKAY. WELL, THAT WAS EASY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MOVING RIGHT ALONG TO TECHNOLOGY INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL.

ANDREW HUNTER, DIRECTOR OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY FOR THE CITY. THIS YEAR, WE'RE SUBMITTING TOTAL CAPITAL EXPENSE REQUEST OF $865,000. THAT'S UP FROM 795 FROM THE PRIOR YEAR. AND BASICALLY THE TWO NEW LINE ITEMS WE HAVE IN THERE ARE DEPARTMENT VEHICLES.

WE'RE LOOKING FOR TWO OF THOSE. THOSE HAVE BOTH PASSED THEIR THEIR USEFUL LIFE FROM A FLEET MANAGEMENT PERSPECTIVE. AND THE UPS REFRESH. UP UNTIL NOW, WE'VE WE'VE MADE SOME PROGRESS IN TERMS OF UPGRADING THE LARGER UPS IN THE CITY. AND THESE ARE FOR THE SMALLER UPS, THE ONES YOU FIND UNDER YOUR DESK TYPE OF THINGS. AND THE ONES THAT WE KEEP IN OUR RACKS IN, IN, IN SEVERAL OF THE FACILITY LOCATIONS. SO THE LARGEST PIECES OF THE PIE HERE ARE REALLY THE FIBER RING STRATEGY CONTINUANCE OF THAT STRATEGY. YOU'LL SEE MORE ON THAT IN JUST A MINUTE. I JUST TOUCHED ON THE UPS REFRESH AT $115,000 AND DEPARTMENT VEHICLES AT 110 000. SO FROM A FIBER OPTIC RING PERSPECTIVE, WE TALKED ABOUT THIS LAST YEAR, RIGHT? OUR GOAL IS TO FEED TO FEED FACILITIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY FED BY THIRD PARTY PROVIDERS. AND WE STILL HAVE A COUPLE OF THOSE. RIVER PARK WAS OUR LATEST. WE HAD NORRIS PARK ALSO THEIR FED SEPARATELY, BUT BY ESTABLISHING OUR RING WHEREBY WE BRING A LOT OF THAT FIBER OPTICS BACK TO 295 RIVERSIDE, WE'RE ABLE TO CONNECT LOCATIONS THROUGH OUR BUILDING, ESSENTIALLY BEING THE SERVICE PROVIDER FOR OUR BUILDINGS. IF YOU OWN THAT WILL ALLOW US TO START CANCELING INDIVIDUAL CONTRACTS. ADDITIONALLY, WHAT THIS DOES IS IT ALLOWS US TO, FROM A RESILIENCY PERSPECTIVE, GET IN FRONT OF POTENTIAL FIBER BREAKS, WHEREBY IF SOMETHING HITS, IF SOME IF A FIBER LINE GETS CUT, LET'S SAY TO THE NORTH OF A FACILITY, WE CAN STILL PLAN TO HIT IT FROM THE SOUTHERN PERSPECTIVE WHILE WE WORK ON ON REPAIRING THE NORTHERN POINT OF VIEW. WE'VE BEEN PLAGUED OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WITH FIBER OPTIC CUTS, AS YOU KNOW, WITH ALL OF THE DEVELOPMENT LOCALLY. SO THIS WILL GIVE US A A RING TOPOLOGY, WHICH WILL IMPROVE OUR OUR UPTIME AND OUR RESILIENCY. FROM A REFRESH PROGRAM PERSPECTIVE, EVERY YEAR, WE, WE, WE HOPE TO IDEALLY TARGET ABOUT 20% OF OUR, OF OUR REFRESH PROGRAMS. SO FROM A WI-FI PERSPECTIVE, WE HAVE ALL THE ACCESS POINTS IN THE VARIOUS BUILDINGS, OUR NETWORK SWITCHES, WHICH EACH OF THE BUILDINGS HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY PROVIDE NETWORK CONNECTIVITY, OUR SECURITY CAMERAS THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

WE'RE GETTING UPWARDS OF, I WANT TO SAY ABOUT 450 ISH OF THOSE. SO MAINTAINING THOSE IS A SIGNIFICANT PIECE OF WORK. AND I DID MENTION THE UPS REFRESHES. WE HAVEN'T DONE A, A SMALLER UPS REFRESH SINCE ABOUT 2014. SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE QUITE OLD UP THERE AND RATHER WE'D RATHER GET AHEAD OF THEM THAN JUST WAIT FOR THEM TO BREAK AND, AND REPLACE THEM. DEPARTMENT VEHICLES. SO WE'VE HAD SOME CONVERSATION ON DEPARTMENT VEHICLES. CURRENTLY. WE, WE HAVE TWO THAT ARE ON LOAN TO US. AND BOTH OF THOSE LOANERS ARE BEYOND THEIR USEFUL LIFE FROM FLEETS PERSPECTIVE. SO WE'D LIKE TO BRING THOSE INTO THE DEPARTMENT, IF YOU WILL, AND OBVIOUSLY REPLACE THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE BEYOND THEIR USEFUL LIFE. THE PLAN HERE IS WE NEED A LARGER VEHICLE THAT'S COVERED. SO ONE EXPLORER. AND THEN WE CAN WE CAN GET AWAY WITH A SMALLER VEHICLE, POTENTIALLY AN ESCAPE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THAT THAT'S THE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS THERE. BUT IT'S BASICALLY TO REPLACE TWO, TWO AGED OUT VEHICLES. THE REMAINING FUNDS HERE, DEPARTMENTAL REQUEST OF $190,000. THAT COVERS THINGS LIKE SECURITY FOR OUR OUR DATA FACILITIES, ANY DATA ROOM ON SITE. THERE'S ONE IN THIS

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RIGHT NOW, WE DO HAVE IT STORED IN MULTIPLE PLACES WITHIN THE CITY, BUT IT'S IT IS A SMALL CITY. AND, AND IT'S, IT'S STILL A RISK FOR US $60,000 TO INCREASE THE DEPLOYMENT OF OUR EMERGENCY CALL BOXES. WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PROGRESS THAT THROUGH OUR PARK SYSTEMS. WE ALSO HAVE THE TWO DOWNTOWN GARAGES COVERED FROM AN EMERGENCY CALL BOX PERSPECTIVE.

SO THAT'S FROM A PUBLIC SAFETY AND SECURITY POINT OF VIEW. AND THEN NETWORK ACCESS CONTROL.

THAT'S TO TO BUILD INTO OUR, OUR NETWORKING ACCESS, IF YOU WILL, A KNOWN DEVICE SCENARIO THAT SAYS YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ONTO OUR NETWORK UNLESS WE PHYSICALLY RECOGNIZE DEVICE.

AND THEN IF WE DON'T, WE'LL PUT IT IN A QUARANTINE AND THAT'LL GENERATE A PHONE CALL TO US. IF ANYONE CAN'T GET INTO THE SYSTEM, WE'LL SEE THAT DEVICE IN THE QUARANTINE MANNER AND BE ABLE TO EITHER AUTHORIZE IT OR DENY IT. SO THAT'S REALLY THE, THE, THE PRESENTATION. SO THAT THAT 865 000 YEAR OVER YEAR REPRESENTS AN 8.8% INCREASE IN, LARGELY DRIVEN BY THE BIG PIECES OF WE TALKED ABOUT QUESTIONS. OKAY. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES. MR. MERRITT. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. CHAD MERRITT, COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR. SO I WILL TAKE YOU THROUGH OUR REQUEST FOR OUR 2027 CIP. BUT FIRST, HERE'S A SNAPSHOT OF 26 IN OUR CURRENT UPDATE ON WHERE WE STAND WITH THE CURRENT CIP PIECE FOR 2026. YOU CAN SEE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IN PROGRESS RIGHT NOW. WE'VE GOT SEVERAL ITEMS THAT HAVE ALREADY COME TO YOU ALL, AND WE'VE GOT SOME ADDITIONAL ONES COMING TO YOU ALL SHORTLY. BUT THIS SHOWS YOU KIND OF THE SPAN OF, OF WHAT OUR DEPARTMENT COVERS WITHIN THE CIP. THEN MOVING TO OUR CURRENT REQUEST FOR FY 27, $2.8 MILLION. THIS IS BROKEN UP INTO CITY DOCK FUND, BEACH FUND, TENNIS FUND, PUBLIC SERVICE TAX FUND. SO WE WILL START WITH PUBLIC SERVICE TAX FUND. EVERYTHING IN YELLOW IS WHAT WE'LL COVER THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION. THIS PUBLIC SERVICE TAX FUND IS BROKEN UP INTO THREE DIFFERENT DIVISIONS.

THAT'S THE PARKS AND PARKWAYS AT 610,000, RECREATION AT 1.4 MILLION, AND FACILITIES MAINTENANCE AT 490,000. STARTING WITH PARKS AND PARKWAYS. EVERY YEAR WE DO THE TREE FILL IN. SO THIS IS THE TREE FILL IN $300,000. WE PLANT ABOUT 100 TO 200 TREES PER YEAR.

THAT'S BASED ON THE TREE INVENTORY, WHICH WE CONDUCTED RECENTLY WITHIN THE LAST YEAR.

THIS DOES COVER THE WARRANTY. THIS THIS HELPS US TO FILL IN WHERE WE HAVE THOSE VACANT SITES, WHICH IS KEPT UP WITH WITH OUR DEPARTMENT. AND HEATHER DOES AN OUTSTANDING JOB OF PRIORITIZING WHAT SITES GET THE TREES AND SO ON. THEN WE HAVE $150,000 REQUEST. THIS IS FOR LANDSCAPE RESTORATION. WE HAVE SEVERAL SITES THROUGHOUT THE CITY THAT WE NEED TO DO SOME RESTORATION ON SOME OF THE SIDE STREETS WE DID. WE WERE PLANNING TO DO HARBOR DRIVE, BUT BECAUSE OF THE ROUNDABOUT, WE PUT THAT OFF FOR NOW AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO MOVING THAT WITH THE FY 28. BUT THESE FUNDS, WE DID SCALE THESE BACK TO THE $150,000 REQUESTED, AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO KNOCK OUT SOME OF THE SIDE STREETS. THEN WE HAVE $110,000 REQUESTED.

THIS IS FOR THE MINI EXCAVATOR WE NEED TO REPLACE. THIS WAS IT'S USED FOR LANDSCAPE PROJECTS, FIELD MAINTENANCE, IRRIGATION REPAIRS, STORM RECOVERY, AND SOME OTHER TASKS.

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$75,000 REQUESTED. $50,000 OF THAT IS FOR UPGRADES IN THE LIFEGUARD ROOM AND THE OFFICE CHEMICAL ROOM AND OTHER BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS THROUGHOUT THE FACILITY. AND 25,000 OF THAT IS GOING TOWARDS THE RESTROOMS AND THE EXHAUST SYSTEM. MOVING ON. FLESHMAN PARK IMPROVEMENTS $1 MILLION REQUESTED. THIS CURRENT YEAR, WE HAVE $150,000 ALLOCATED TO DESIGN THE NEW RESTROOM FACILITY, AND WE'RE PLANNING ON REPLACING IT THIS UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR. DESIGN IS UNDERWAY. AND AS I MENTIONED TO YOU ALL BEFORE, THIS IS A HEAVILY UTILIZED RESTROOM FACILITY FOR THE PARK BEING USED BY OUR HARDCOURTS AND OUR FIELDS AS WELL. MOVING ON TO BAKER PARK, $100,000 REQUESTED, $70,000 OF THAT WILL BE USED TO PAINT THE SUGDEN GOMEZ CENTER, AS WELL AS THE PAVILIONS THROUGHOUT THE PARK. THEY ARE ALL HEAVILY USED, WHICH IS A GOOD THING BY THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN $30,000 OF THAT WILL BE UTILIZED FOR THE SPLASHPAD SURFACING. AS YOU GUYS CAN SEE IN THIS PHOTO HERE, THAT'S IT LOOKS VERY DECORATIVE AND REALLY COOL, BUT THAT'S JUST PAINT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT A CUSHIONED, SLIP RESISTANT SURFACE. WE HAVE HAD SOME INCIDENTS OVER THERE, SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE THOSE UPGRADES AS WELL. MOVING ON TO THE RIVER PARK COMMUNITY CENTER, $100,000 REQUESTED HERE FOR REPAIRS AND IMPROVEMENTS TO THE AUDITORIUM, STAGE AND COURTYARD. IT NEEDS NEW FLOORING IN THE COURTYARD NEEDS REPAINTING DUE TO HEAVY USE. THIS FACILITY IS UTILIZED BY A VARIETY OF ORGANIZATIONS AS WELL AS INTERNALLY, SO IT GETS A LOT OF HEAVY USAGE. SO THIS UPGRADE IS VERY IMPORTANT FOR THIS SITE. MOVING ON TO THE NORTH CENTER ACROSS THE STREET. $50,000 REQUESTED. THESE FUNDS WILL BE USED TO REPAINT THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING. WE'VE RECENTLY THIS YEAR REDID THE GUTTERS AT THAT FACILITY AS WELL AS THE FASCIA. SO THIS JUST WRAPS EVERYTHING UP WITH THE NORTH CENTER AND THE EXTERIOR. BEAUTIFUL FACILITY. JUST WANT TO HAVE A NICE FRESH COAT OF PAINT ON IT. MOVING ON TO THE NAPLES PRESERVE, $50,000 REQUESTED. THESE FUNDS WILL BE USED TO MOVE THE INVASIVE TREES AND PLANT MATERIAL, OUR INVASIVE EXOTICS. THIS IS PART OF A FOUR PART PROCESS. WE'RE CURRENTLY ON PART TWO OF THIS.

AGAIN, WE WANT TO MOVE REMOVE THE INVASIVE EXOTIC TREES AND PLANT MATERIAL THROUGHOUT THE ACTUAL PRESERVE. I DO HIGHLIGHT THESE PHOTOS HERE WHERE WE HAVE MADE SOME BEAUTIFICATION UPGRADES TO THE FACILITY. BEING AT THE CORNER OF FLESHMAN BOULEVARD AND 41 GETS A LOT OF TRAFFIC BY THERE. SO WE'VE DONE SOME REALLY NICE UPGRADES NOT ONLY TO THE BUILDING AND THANK YOU TO OUR FACILITIES MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT AND OUR PARKS AND PARKWAYS DEPARTMENT FOR UPGRADING THE LANDSCAPING AND THE BEAUTIFICATION OF THAT. MOVING ON TO CAMBIER PARK, $100,000 REQUESTED. THIS PROJECT INCLUDES UPGRADING THE CONCESSION STAND, SUCH AS ADDING THE AIR CONDITIONING AND INSTALLING NEW WINDOWS AND HURRICANE ROLL UP WINDOWS FOR THAT SPECIFIC AREA. AND I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT TO THE RESTROOMS IN THE CONCESSION STAND WERE UPGRADED THIS YEAR. SO WE WANT TO COMPLETE THIS PROJECT AND JUST BASICALLY HAVE A BRAND NEW OR AS NEW AS POSSIBLE CONCESSION STAND BUILDING. THANK BACK TO CHAD.

THANK YOU. SO OUR NEXT REQUEST IS 50,000 FOR THE COMMUNITY SERVICE BUILDING. WE'VE GOT SOME UPGRADES THAT WE NEED ARE NOT UPGRADES, SOME IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE NEED TO DO TO THIS FACILITY, WHICH HOUSES OUR ADMINISTRATION STAFF. HERE'S SOME PICTURES. WE'VE GOT SOME MOISTURE ISSUES THAT WE GOT TO CONTEND WITH. SO WE FEEL THE 50,000 WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. THE NEXT REQUEST IS FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS. THIS IS $180,000. REQUEST FOR TO REPLACE SIX HVAC UNITS ON THE FIRST LEVEL OF THE BUILDING. OUR PLANS ARE FOR NEXT YEAR TO DO THE SECOND LEVEL UNITS, WHICH ARE 13. BUT FOR THIS YEAR, WE FELT THAT WE COULD GET BY WITH DOING THE FIRST LEVEL, TAKING CARE OF THAT $180,000. CITY HALL IMPROVEMENTS $200,000 REQUEST HERE. THESE FUNDS WILL BE TO REPLACE THE EXISTING GENERATOR AND TRANSFER SWITCH. IN THE WORDS OF THE EQUIPMENT SERVICES,

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BEACH FUND, THIS GIVES YOU A SNAPSHOT OF THE BEACH FUND. THIS IS OUR CURRENT REQUEST IN YELLOW. THE ITEMS THAT ARE ACTUALLY LOOKED LIKE IT. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOT THROWN OUT.

SO WE DO WE HAVE 500 $0 REQUEST, $18,000 REQUEST IN THE $65,000 REQUEST. THE OTHER TWO WILL BE COVERED BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. OUR FIRST ONE IS LOUDERMILK PARK IMPROVEMENTS $50,000 REQUEST HERE. THIS PROJECT WOULD GO TO INSTALL KAYAK AND CANOE STAND UP PADDLEBOARD RACKS SO THAT WE CAN TRY TO REINSTATE THE BOATS IN THE PARK PROGRAM, WHICH IS GOING TO BE. THAT CONVERSATION WILL COME TO YOU ALL HERE IN THE FUTURE, BUT WE EXPECT THIS TO GENERATE SOME REVENUE. SO THIS WILL BE ONE OF THOSE OPPORTUNITIES THAT AS A REVENUE GENERATING SOURCE, THEN WE HAVE $18,000 REQUEST. THIS IS TO REPLACE ONE OF OUR BEACH MAINTENANCE CARTS THAT ARE UTILIZED TO MAINTAIN THE BEACH. AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, THE SAND AND SALT REALLY DOES WREAK HAVOC ON THESE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT. SO WE DO HAVE TO GO IN AND REPLACE THEM EACH YEAR. NEXT IS $65,000. REQUEST FOR BEACH MAINTENANCE VEHICLE. THIS IS THE DUMP TRUCK THAT WE USE TO EMPTY TRASH AT ALL THE BEACH ACCESSES. THIS CURRENT ONE THAT YOU SEE HERE. THE BOTTOM HAS RUSTED OUT OF IT, SO IT'S ACTUALLY SITTING IN THE PARKING LOT. WE'VE HAD TO BORROW ONE FROM THE SOLID WASTE DEPARTMENT. SO WE WANT TO GET THIS REPLACED SO THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO KEEP THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE UP. AND THAT COVERS THE BEACH FUND. ANY QUESTIONS WITH THE BEACH FUND? WHILE YOU'RE ON THE BEACH FUND? WHAT'S THE LATEST ON THE PIER REBUILDING ON ITS BUDGET AND TIMETABLE? I'LL HANDLE THAT. SO WE'RE STILL ON SCHEDULE. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY WE'RE WE'RE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T JINX ANYTHING. BUT I THINK THEY'RE MAKING VERY GOOD PROGRESS. AS YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE I THINK 17 OR 19 PILINGS ARE ALREADY INSTALLED. THEY STARTED CUTTING THEM. WE ARE I'M NOT SURE IF IT CAME IN ON FRIDAY, BUT WE IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD THE MOST RECENT DISCUSSION ON THE REDESIGN TO INCLUDE A POLICE OFFICE AND THE RESTROOM THERE. SO THEY SHOULD BE COMPLETING THAT. AND YEAH, SHOULD BE COMPLETING THAT DESIGN WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FRIDAY. THEN WE'LL HAVE ANY PRICE ADJUSTMENTS RELATED TO THAT. IT ACTUALLY FROM THE ORIGINAL DESIGN WHEN IT WAS CONTRACT SHOULD BE ACTUALLY A NET SAVINGS. BUT WE'RE WAITING ON THAT BECAUSE IF YOU RECALL, THE ORIGINAL AWARD WAS THE ELONGATED PART. SO THERE'S MUCH MORE MATERIAL IN IPE WOOD IN THE ELONGATED ONE. SO WE ACTUALLY EXPECT THAT TO BE A SAVINGS. THE BIGGEST THING RIGHT NOW IS NOT TO GET ANY TURTLES. AND THEN THE SECOND, AS YOU KNOW, WE TOOK WE WENT TO THE ARTIFICIAL REEF, WE TOOK THE PILINGS OUT TO THE ARTIFICIAL REEF. THE OTHER MATERIALS ARE GOING TO RECYCLED FOR ROADWAYS AS FAR AS THE CONCRETE PILINGS. AND WE ALSO HAVE BUILT THE BARRIERS ACTUALLY WITH THE PILINGS THAT DIDN'T GO TO EITHER PLACE TO AND THEN HAVE IT DRAPED WITH A TURTLE FENCING. SO BIG EFFORTS TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T GET ANY TURTLES. AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE GREAT UNKNOWN IS THE HURRICANE OR HURRICANES POTENTIAL FOR ONE. SO BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE ON WE'RE ON PACE FOR EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING IS MOVING ALONG AS PLANNED. AND I DON'T RIGHT NOW, I DON'T SEE ANY, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THERE'S THERE'S ALWAYS THE GREAT UNKNOWN, BUT THERE'S NO REASON TO BELIEVE THE BUDGET HAS EXPANDED. WE'VE HAD SOME CHANGE ORDERS THAT HAVE INCREASED COST. IPE WOOD WAS MORE EXPENSIVE GIVEN THE ESCALATOR THAT WE HAD IN THE CONTRACT. BUT WE ALSO HAVE CONSIDERABLY LESS MATERIAL THAN WE EXPECTED TO HAVE, SO THAT WILL ACTUALLY EXCEEDS IT BY A 2 TO 1 AS OF RIGHT NOW.

BUT WE DID TAKE THE EXTRA STEPS MOST RECENTLY TO DO A CHANGE ORDER TO DO ANY OTHER DEBRIS THAT WAS DOWN THERE THAT WASN'T CONSTRUCTION RELATED, BECAUSE IN POST POST WORLD, THERE WAS A LOT OF THINGS THAT SMACKED UP AGAINST THE PIER. AND SO WE'RE DOING A LITTLE BIT OF BOTH WHILE WE'RE THERE, HOPEFULLY MAKING THE CLEANEST SITE POSSIBLE. SO THAT'S WHERE WE

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BUT IT ALSO SHOWS YOU. AND DEMONSTRATES THAT DESPITE. ONCE THE PROJECT'S DONE. BUT JUST NORMAL REVENUES RETURNING. IT'S NOT A LIQUIDITY ISSUE. IT'S JUST A TIMING ISSUE ON IT. AND SO YOU CAN SEE BY 2028, YOU GO BACK TO A POSITIVE 165, THEN IT GROWS TO 332 AND SO ON. SO I WOULD EXPECT PROBABLY BY THE 2032, YOU'LL BE DECIDING AGAIN WHETHER OR NOT TO MAKE AN EXTRA, AN EXTRA PAYMENT. SO IT'S THAT KIND OF THING. BUT TO JUST LET YOU KNOW YOU'RE NOT REALLY, YOU'RE JUST KIND OF TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE FACT YOU PREPAID SO MUCH IN ADVANCE, BUT ALLOWING THE PROJECT TO BE COMPLETE. STRONG WORD. SO THE REQUEST THAT WE HAVE THIS YEAR IS A $50,000 REQUEST. AND THIS IS TO DO A MAINTENANCE DREDGE. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE CITY DOCK, WHEN WE HAVE BOATS, WHEN THEY START THEIR ENGINE, IT IT PUSHES SEDIMENT UP UNDERNEATH THE DOCK. THAT SEDIMENT STARTS TO BUILD UP. THAT CREATES WHEN WE HAVE THE EXTREMELY LOW TIDES, THAT ALLOWS THE DOCK TO SIT ON THAT. AND WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN. SO WE HAVE DIVERS THAT GO THROUGH, THEY DO AN INSPECTION OF THE DOCK AND THEY SAID, OKAY, IT'S TIME. SO WE NEEDED TO GO AHEAD AND GET THIS IN. SO WE HAVE THIS $50,000 REQUEST BEFORE YOU TODAY. THAT HANDLES THE CITY DOCK FUND. ANY QUESTIONS ON CITY DOCK? ALL RIGHT. HOW IS THE MAINTENANCE ON THOSE PILINGS OR IS THAT JUST REGULAR OPERATIONAL AND MAINTENANCE? YES, MA'AM. OKAY.

YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM. SO THE TENNIS FUND IS OUR LAST REQUEST. AT $50,000.

THIS IS GOING TO BE TO GO IN AND PAINT THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDING, THE TENNIS CENTER.

WE'VE GOT SOME WOOD THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED. WE'VE GOT ELECTRICAL SYSTEM UPGRADES THAT ARE NEEDED, AS WELL AS SOME TABLES AND CHAIRS THAT ARE IN THE DECK AREA THAT WE WANT TO REPLACE. SO WE HAVE THIS $50,000 REQUEST WE WANT TO MAINTAIN. AGAIN, I GIVE THE I GIVE THE PLUG OF WE WERE THE USTA OUTSTANDING FACILITY, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE QUALIFY FOR THAT EVERY SINGLE YEAR BY DOING WHAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE OUR FACILITY IS UPGRADED AND THAT'S IT. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, LET ME KNOW. OTHERWISE. THANK YOU. THAT WAS EASY. YES. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES PARKS RECS FACILITIES. THAT TAKES US TO THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. CHIEF. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. SORRY TO FIT IN THESE CHAIRS.

GOOD AFTERNOON. SARAH DOMINGUEZ, CHIEF OF POLICE AND. SO FOR OUR CIP AND WHERE WE'RE COMING IN, YOU'LL SEE IT'S VERY IT'S HEAVY ON TECHNOLOGY AND EQUIPMENT AND, AND THE THINGS THAT WE'RE GETTING BACK UP TO SPEED IN REGARDS TO PUTTING ALL OUR TECHNOLOGY. INTEROPERATIVE WITH EACH OTHER. AND I'LL EXPLAIN THAT FURTHER AS WE GET INTO IT. BUT ALL THE DIFFERENT ENTITIES THAT WE USE, WHETHER IT'S AXON OR MOTOROLA, SO THEY ALL SPEAK TO EACH OTHER. AND WE'RE COMING AWAY FROM HAVING DIFFERENT TECHNOLOGIES. BUT THEY DID NOT THEY'RE NOT THEY WEREN'T INTEROPERABLE. BUT AT ANY RATE, WE'RE COMING IN AT $2.1 MILLION. AND IF YOU SEE THIS IS HOW WE HAVE ALL OUR SYSTEMS BUNDLED. BUT WHAT'S UNIQUE IN THIS PHOTO IS THAT THESE WERE ALL LIVE SHOTS WHEN THEY WERE EXECUTING A SEARCH WARRANT. SO THE SYSTEMS THAT WE HAVE NOW THAT WE'RE PULLING INTO PLACE ARE BODY WORN CAMERAS, OUR TASERS AND CAR CAMERAS, AND ALL THOSE ARE NOW INTERACTIVE AND WE CAN LIVE STREAM WHEREVER WE'RE AT, WHETHER IT BE IN THE EOC OR IN THE TAC OR IN DISPATCH. SO THAT GIVES US NOT ONLY SOME GOOD OVERSIGHT AND COMMAND AND CONTROL, BUT WE'RE ABLE TO KIND OF SEE THINGS HAPPENING IN REAL TIME. AND THIS IS OUR NEW CAMERAS THAT WE'RE PUTTING IN THE CARS. AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL COMPATIBLE WITH THE AXON BODY WORN CAMERAS, THE VEHICLE CAMERAS, AND ALL OF THAT IS ABLE TO BE STREAMED RIGHT INTO

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AGAIN, BECAUSE OUR CARS RUN PRETTY MUCH AROUND THE CLOCK AS WE ADD ON TO THE FLEET, THOUGH, THAT WILL START GIVING US A LITTLE LONGER LIFE IN CARS, AS THEY WON'T BE PASSED AROUND AND BE ASSIGNED TO ONE OFFICER JUST LIKE HIS LAPTOP, HIS, HIS, AND ETC. A COUPLE EXAMPLES OF THE VEHICLES WHERE THEY'RE AT. SOME OF THE WEAR AND TEAR. AND ON SOME OF THE UNMARKED REPLACEMENTS, THOSE VEHICLES ARE USED EITHER BY DETECTIVES AND OR CIVILIAN STAFF WHEN THEY TRAVEL AND TRANSPORT EQUIPMENT AND OR GO TO SCHOOLS. EXAMPLE. WHERE THERE. WHERE IS. WE'RE ADDING SEVEN NEW VEHICLES TO THE FLEET, AND THOSE WILL BE GOING ASSIGNED TO OFFICERS. AND AS WE MOVE ON INTO THE YEARS, OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE AN EVERY OFFICER, THEIR OWN EQUIPMENT, THEIR OWN ROLLING OFFICE, THEIR OWN LAPTOP, RADIO, EVERYTHING IS ASSIGNED TO A PERSON. AND THIS IS ONGOING. WE'RE UPGRADING. YOU KNOW, WHAT'S UNIQUE ABOUT THIS IS THAT WE ARE NOW ALL OUR ALL OF OUR LPRS ARE MOTOROLA. THERE WAS A TIME WE HAD THREE DIFFERENT VENDORS, AND THAT BECAME PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T SPEAK TO EACH OTHER WELL AND THEN REPAIRS AND ALL THIS. SO IT ALLOWS FOR ONE STOP SHOPPING. AND WE'RE ALSO INTEGRATING THIS WITH OUR RADIOS AND OUR BODY WORN CAMERAS. SO ALL THIS FEEDS RIGHT IN WITH THE ADDED SEVEN CARS. WE OUT FIT EVERY CAR WITH A E. LIKE I MENTIONED, EVERY CAR IS A ROLLING OFFICE TO INCLUDE SAFETY EQUIPMENT LIKE THE AEDS. BOATS. THESE BOAT MOTORS ARE THREE YEARS OLD AND THEY HAVE ENOUGH MILES AND HOURS ON THEM NOW TO BE REPLACED. AND THIS ALSO FOR OUR HELMETS. ALL THE BALLISTIC WEAR HAS A LIFE. SOME ARE FIVE YEARS DEPENDING ON THE CONFIGURATION OF THE EQUIPMENT, AND SOME ARE TEN YEARS. IN THIS CASE, THESE HELMETS HAVE ALL EXCEEDED THEIR THEIR THEIR LIFE. AND SO WE'RE REPLACING THESE. AND AS I MENTIONED, SOME SOME OF MOST OF YOU HAVE BEEN IN THE ATTACK. THE ATTACK IS THIS IS OUR OUR NOT YET ONE DAY WILL BE A REAL TIME CRIME CENTER. BUT RIGHT NOW, WHEN WE HAVE A SPECIAL EVENT, WHETHER THAT BE A PARADE OR SOME OTHER EVENT, LIKE WHEN THE VICE PRESIDENT IS HERE, WE WERE ABLE TO MONITOR EVERYTHING FROM HERE, FROM A COMMAND AND CONTROL PERSPECTIVE, BUT WE ONLY HAVE A LIMITED NUMBER OF SCREENS. SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO IS TO ADD TEN MORE SCREENS. SO NOW WE CAN PUT UP EVERYBODY'S BODY WORN CAMERAS, DRONE FOOTAGE. WE CAN HAVE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FEED US THEIR HELICOPTER FEED. AND SO FROM THIS ROOM, WE CAN WATCH THE ENTIRE OPERATION GOING ON REAL TIME. ALSO, ONE MORE DRONE WE'RE LOOKING TO GET. THIS IS A SMALLER INDOOR DRONE THAT YOU CAN CLEAR A ROOM, A BUILDING WITH. AND SO THE IDEA OF THIS IS OUR LARGER DRONES WOULDN'T FIT IN A BUILDING. BUT IF LET'S SAY YOU WANTED TO CLEAR CITY HALL FOR WHATEVER REASON, YOU COULD PUT THAT DRONE IN AND THE DRONE OPERATOR COULD SEE WHAT'S GOING ON AND FEED IT BACK TO THE OFFICERS THAT ARE GOING TO GO IN EVENTUALLY. THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF HOW YOU COULD FEED IT THROUGH A WINDOW OR DOOR. AS YOU KNOW, WE STARTED THAT COMPUTER CRIMES CYBER CRIMES UNIT. AND JUST LIKE EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU START IT, IT WILL COME WHERE OUR WE'RE INCREASING IN CYBER CRIMES BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE NOW BECOMING MORE AWARE OF WHAT NOT TO BE DOING ON CYBER CRIME AND ALSO FINDING OUT THAT THEY MAY HAVE BEEN A VICTIM. SO WE ARE NOW PURSUING MORE CRIMES IN REGARD TO CYBER CRIMES. AND THIS ALLOWS US TO MAKE IMAGES EITHER THEIR LAPTOPS OR COMPUTERS, THEIR PHONES, AND BE ABLE TO WORK THE CASE FORENSICALLY FROM THERE. PRIOR TO THAT, WE HAD SOME CAPABILITY, OR WE HAVE TO TAKE IT UP TO THE LAB UP IN FORT MYERS. AND THIS IS FOR SIU OR SURVEILLANCE EQUIPMENT. AGAIN, THESE ARE SURREPTITIOUS CAMERAS AND BUGS THAT WE CAN USE FOR INVESTIGATIONS. RIFLE PLATES. WE HAVE SOME RIFLE EQUIPMENT AS FAR AS PROTECTION FOR AN ACTIVE SHOOTER. BUT WHAT WE HAVE FOUND IS THAT AGAIN, THESE THINGS HAVE A LIFETIME. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO HERE IS FROM THIS INVESTMENT IS BUY PLATES THAT GO INSIDE OUR EXISTING VESTS. SO THEY ALREADY HAVE THE CARRIER THAT WOULD

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PHILLIP PENNINGTON, FIRE CHIEF. ALL RIGHT. START OFF FIRST SLIDE IS BASICALLY JUST SHOWING OUR FIVE YEAR OUTLOOK. WE'LL GET INTO THE STUFF WE'RE LOOKING FOR THIS YEAR. SO WE'LL START WITH THE NEW FIREHOUSE TWO DESIGN. THAT'S $29 MILLION TO FINISH BUILDING THE DEPARTMENT. WE'RE AT ABOUT 30% GETTING READY FOR THE PRELIMINARY DRB TO PUSH THAT OUT. 100 2000. THAT'S FOR OUR PERSONAL PROTECTIVE GEAR BUNKER GEAR REPLACEMENT. IT'S GOING TO BE AN ONGOING PRO PROGRAM AS WE MAKE SURE ALL ALL OUR PERSONNEL ARE PROPERLY OUTFITTED FOR THEIR PROTECTIVE GEAR. WE ALSO HAVE 1.5 MILLION IN THERE FOR A REPLACEMENT THAT THE FULLY EQUIPPED ENGINE COMPANY, ONE THAT IS DUE BECAUSE OF THE TIME FRAME IT TAKES US TO GET A TRUCK BUILT AND BROUGHT BACK IN. BY THE TIME WE GET THIS ONE IN, THE CURRENT FRONTLINE TRUCK WILL BE READY TO GO INTO RESERVE. WE ALSO HAVE 350,000 IN THERE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY TRAINING EQUIPMENT AND PROPS. BASICALLY, THIS IS TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE THE PROPER TRAINING EQUIPMENT TO PREPARE ALL OUR PERSONNEL FOR ALL THE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THEIR JOB.

SOME OF THE STUFF WILL BE FOR MEDICAL TRAINING, THE ONGOING REQUIRED TRAINING IN ORDER TO KEEP UP OUR CERTIFICATIONS, PLUS OTHER TRAINING EQUIPMENT THAT WE CAN USE FOR FIRE TRAINING, INCLUDING LIKE A VR SET WHERE WE CAN PRACTICE INCIDENT COMMAND AND AND OPERATIONS FOR ALL PEOPLE THROUGHOUT THE DEPARTMENT. WE ALSO HAVE UNDER 65,000 FOR TECHNICAL RESCUE EQUIPMENT. THIS IS BASICALLY REPLACEMENT OF EQUIPMENT THAT NEEDS TO JUST REACH THE END OF ITS SERVICE LIFE. YOU KNOW, THIS TECHNICAL RESCUE IS THINGS AS YOU SEE DEPICTED HERE IS HIGH ANGLE PICKOFFS ALSO CONFINED SPACES OR EVEN STRUCTURAL COLLAPSE.

THAT'S WHAT THAT DISCIPLINE COVERS. ADDITIONALLY, I HAVE 140,000 IN THERE FOR STRETCHERS AND INSTALL. AND THE EQUIPMENT YOU CAN SEE ON THE LEFT SIDE IS THE BACK END OF ONE OF OUR SQUAD TRUCKS, WHICH IS A BASICALLY A TRANSPORT STYLE TRUCK CURRENTLY HAS NO STRETCHER INSIDE THERE. THE IDEA IS TO COVER US WITH IMPACT FEES. THIS ALLOWS US IN IN A STATE OF EMERGENCY, OR IF WE'RE HAD FIREFIGHTERS AT TRAINING OR AT ACTUAL SCENE WHERE THEY GET INJURED. IF THERE ISN'T AN AMBULANCE THERE, WE CAN PUT PEOPLE INTO THE BACK OF OUR TRUCK AND TRANSPORT THEM TO THE HOSPITAL. AND AGAIN, THAT'S PART OF OUR CPCN PROCESS WHERE WE'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT IN A STATE OF EMERGENCY. AND THAT IS ALL OF OUR REQUESTS. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON, MORE MORE LOGISTICS QUESTION. SO YOU'RE REBUILDING FIREHOUSE TWO. WHEN IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BREAK GROUND? IT'S PROBABLY 20 EARLY 27 I THINK IS WHAT THE SCHEDULE IS RIGHT NOW. SO LIKE I SAID, WE'RE AT 30%

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THERE'S ALSO LAST YEAR I WENT TO THIS BASICALLY, IT'S LIKE A BIG FIREHOUSE DESIGN CONFERENCE, SPOKE WITH SOME PEOPLE THERE. THERE'S THINGS CALLED FORCE FOR FIRST RESPONDERS, AND IT'S BASICALLY LIKE A MODULAR SETUP. AND THEY CAN, I MEAN, THEY'RE ALMOST COMPLETELY SELF SUFFICIENT. YOU CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD EITHER HAVE GENERATORS, BUT YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE PLUMBING THERE, THEY WOULD HAVE TANKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND YOU'D HAVE TO RECYCLE THROUGH THOSE. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION. AND I KNOW THERE'S ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS IS CURRENTLY USING THEM, BUT THEY HAVE ENOUGH ROOM AT THE SITE WHERE THEIRS IS AT THAT THEY HAVE THOSE IN THE BACK WHILE THEY'RE REBUILDING THEIR STATION. SO THERE'S OPTIONS OUT THERE. WE JUST AS IT GETS A LITTLE BIT CLOSER, WE'LL HAVE TO SEE WHAT THE BEST OPTION FOR US IS AS FAR AS FINANCIALLY IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. OH YOU'RE OKAY. I WAS JUST GOING TO ELABORATE A LITTLE MORE ON THE TIMING. I THINK IT'LL REACH 60% DESIGN BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR. I THINK YOU'D GET TO 100% DESIGN PROBABLY NEXT APRIL. YEAH. WE WOULD BE BIDDING IT EITHER IN, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN MARCH AND MAY AND PROBABLY AWARDING IN IN AUGUST OR SEPTEMBER WHEN YOU RETURN FROM BREAK NEXT YEAR. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO PUT IT IN THAT YEAR'S BUDGET SO THAT WE IF WE ENCUMBER IT, YOU KNOW, BUT IT WOULD BE THE TAIL END OF 27. OKAY. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. YEAH. WHAT'S YOUR COMFORT LEVEL AROUND THE $29 MILLION ESTIMATE, HOW IT WAS DEVELOPED AND HOW IT COULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE? WELL, I'VE HAD SOME INITIAL DISCUSSIONS WITH THE DESIGN TEAM AND ASKED THEM FOR THOSE NUMBERS, AND THEY SAY THEY CAN'T REALLY GIVE ME THOSE NUMBERS UNTIL WE GET A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ALONG. BUT BASED ON JUST PRELIMINARY, YOU KNOW, COST PER SQUARE FOOT OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE MARKET CURRENTLY, WE THINK WE ARE IN A GOOD POSITION. SO IT'S KIND OF A GENERAL ESTIMATE, NOT BASED ON THE ACTUAL DESIGN. YEAH. IT'LL GET IT'LL GET MUCH MORE REFINED AS YOU GO. CORRECT.

HOPEFULLY IN THE BALLPARK. YEAH. I THINK, I THINK WE'RE I THINK WE'RE IN A GOOD POSITION, YOU KNOW, BARRING ANY CRAZY JUMPS IN THE MARKET AS WE GET CLOSER TO BUILD TIME, I THINK I THINK WE'RE WE'RE LOOKING PRETTY SOLID RIGHT NOW. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY.

NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. YOUNG. MR. RUSSELL, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF STEFAN HAD ANYTHING. OKAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, I WILL JUST SAY THIS. YOU KNOW, THIS WRAPS UP THE FIVE YEAR CIP. AND AS WE BEGAN THIS, I SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, REALLY OUR FUNCTIONS AS A MUNICIPALITY IS GOVERNMENTAL ACTIVITIES, SECURITY OF PERSONS AND PROPERTY, QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUES, WHICH IS YOUR COMMUNITY SERVICE, YOUR PARKS, RECREATION, AND THE OTHER ON THAT. YOU HAVE ROUGHLY SIX AND A HALF TO $7 MILLION IN YOUR PUBLIC SERVICE TAX BRINGS IN THAT COVERS THAT PORTION. AND THE REST OF IT, BY AND LARGE, IS ENTERPRISE AND INFRASTRUCTURE. SO WE ARE DOING WHAT A MUNICIPALITY IS SUPPOSED TO BE DOING AND PUTTING THE DOLLARS FOR YOUR CAPITAL PROJECTS FORWARD. THAT IS GOING TO GET THE BIGGEST RETURN FOR YOUR RESIDENTS. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, AND WE TRY NOT TO THROW A LOT OF FRILLS IN THERE, BUT WE TRY TO TAKE CARE OF THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF FROM A LONG TERM PERSPECTIVE. I WILL SAY THIS WE HAVE GOVERNMENTAL NEEDS THAT FAR EXCEEDS YOUR REVENUE AND THAT I'LL REPEAT ONE MORE TIME ABOUT THE THE $29 MILLION. YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO GO AFTER STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDING TO BUILD A FIRE STATION. BUT I WOULD, BASED ON THE TIMELINE THAT I DEPICTED TO YOU, I ALSO WOULD SAY THAT IT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT THAT WE GO AFTER THE $0.01 SALES AND INFRASTRUCTURE FACILITIES IMPROVEMENTS. YOU CAN SEE WE'RE PUTTING A BAND AID ON YOUR EQUIPMENT SERVICES. OUR COMMUNITY SERVICES BUILDING WAS FLOODED DURING. AND SO WE HAVE NEEDS IN OUR IN OUR POLICE STATION DID. SO ONCE THE FIRE STATION IS DONE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE OUR ATTENTION ON GOVERNMENTAL BUILDINGS TO THE TO THE NEXT ONE. AND SO ANYTHING THAT WE CAN GET FROM THE $0.01 SALES TAX, SHANNON COUNTY ENCOURAGE IT. I JUST WOULD EMPHASIZE AGAIN, IT'S AN IMPORTANT VARIABLE FOR US TO GET ON BOARD WITH. SO WITH THAT, I THANK YOU BOTH INDIVIDUALLY AND COLLECTIVELY AND ALL THE STAFF FOR ALL THE TIME THEY TOOK ON THIS AND APPRECIATE THE COMMITMENT THAT THEY HAVE AND THAT YOU HAVE THAT TO DOING WHAT WE CAN FOR OUR FOR OUR RESIDENTS. SO THANK YOU. WELL,

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THAT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO BE FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND PROJECTING THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. SO THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG. AND TO YOUR STAFF COUNCIL, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE CIP? MR. MITCHELL? NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS. JUST THANK YOU ALL FOR TAKING THE TIME TO WORK WITH US ON THIS. AND THANK THANKS AGAIN TO ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES AT THE CITY. IT'S IT'S BEEN A BIG UNDERTAKING. AND THIS IS KIND OF JUST STEP ONE WITH THE BUDGET PROCESS AHEAD. SO THANK YOU EVERYONE. GREAT. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT PRESENTATION. SEVEN C THANK YOU.

GOING TO SEVEN D MR. MCCONNELL. YES. THANK YOU MAYOR. SO PURSUANT TO 286.011, SUBPARAGRAPH EIGHT, CITY ATTORNEY'S ANNOUNCING HIS REQUEST FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC FOR THE PURPOSE OF SEEKING ADVICE CONCERNING SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATIONS OR STRATEGY RELATED TO LITIGATION EXPENDITURES ASSOCIATED WITH LITIGATION. STYLED CITY OF NAPLES VERSUS CITY OF NAPLES. AIRPORT AUTHORITY ET AL. CASE NUMBER 2026-CA-1094 AND IN FOR COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA, ON MAY 20TH, 2026, AT APPROXIMATELY 1230 IN THE CITY'S CONFERENCE ROOM ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF CITY HALL, THE EXECUTIVE SESSION IS EXPECTED TO LAST APPROXIMATELY ONE HOUR. NO ACTION WILL BE TAKEN DURING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. IF ACTION IS NEEDED, IT WILL TAKEN EITHER BE TAKEN EITHER WHEN WE RECONVENE OR AT A FUTURE PUBLIC HEARING. FOLLOWING INDIVIDUALS WILL BE PRESENT DURING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. MAYOR TERESA HEITMANN, COUNCIL MEMBERS BILL KRAMER, LINDA PENNIMAN, BRIAN BARTON, TED BLANKENSHIP, JOHN KROLL, SCOTT SCHULTZ, CITY MANAGER GARY YOUNG, CITY ATTORNEY MATTHEW MCCONNELL, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY ANDREW DICKMAN, AND A REPRESENTATIVE FROM DINES COURT REPORTING. THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US TO PUBLIC COMMENT, MADAM CLERK. I DON'T HAVE

[9) COMMUNICATIONS FROM MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, AND STAFF]

PLAYERS, THEY START THEIR SEASON TICKETS FOR NEXT YEAR. IT'S GOOD TIME TO LOCK IN. IT'S A WINDOW SO CAN GET SOME GOOD SEATS. IT'S A GREAT SCHEDULE. THEY'VE QUEUED UP AND A LOT OF GOOD THINGS HAPPENING THERE. THE OTHER ONE IS NAPLES ARTS CENTER RIGHT HERE BY THE PARK.

THEY'RE GONNA HAVE SOME GREAT EXHIBITS COMING UP TO THE LEVEL OF EXHIBITS IS INCREASING DRAMATICALLY THE QUALITY, AND THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME GOOD EXHIBITS. THEY ALSO HAVE A DONATED PIECE OF ARTWORK THAT'S GOING TO BE THEY LIKE TO MOUNT IT OUTSIDE THE BUILDING, AND THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO COME TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. SO BUT IT IS A DONATED PIECE. IT'S A NICE PIECE. BEAUTIFY THE BUILDING AND ALL THAT AND REALLY ADD TO THE THE WHOLE AMBIANCE OF THE ARTS CENTER. EVERYTHING I SAY, YOU KNOW, IT WAS IT WAS GOOD TO HEAR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT THINGS. THE MAINTENANCE OF THE STORMWATER SYSTEM IS REALLY. I'M HAPPY ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN NEGLECTED, I THINK, FOR DECADES. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT IN ELECTION AND ALL THAT. AND I'M JUST REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THE HARD WORK BY STAFF ON GETTING THIS ACCOMPLISHED. IT'S JUST IT'S JUST GREAT. AND, YOU KNOW, CONTINUING THE STREET SWEEPER REPLACEMENT, THOSE THINGS ARE SO IMPORTANT TO WATER QUALITY. AND I APPLAUD ALL THOSE EFFORTS. THE OTHER THING, THE BOARD, THE BOARD APPOINTMENTS, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT WE GOT ZONING AND BUILDING CODES TO PROTECT OUR CITY. BUT THESE BOARDS ARE OUR NEXT LAYER OF DEFENSE. AND IT'S SO IMPORTANT. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO PUT THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN THE SEATS WITH THE MAYOR TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. SO I REALLY THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.

AND ALSO I'D LIKE TO SAY OVERALL ABOUT ABOUT THE ARTS. EVERY GREAT CITY HAS A GREAT ARTS PROGRAM. IF YOU LOOK AT THROUGH HISTORY, YOU KNOW, FLORENCE AND ITALY WAS EVERY GREAT CITY HAS AN ARTS PROGRAM. AND I, I REALLY THINK WHAT I SEE DEVELOPING HERE WITH WHAT WE HAVE IS A GOOD POTENTIAL TO BE A KIND OF A MECCA FOR THE ARTS. AND THAT'S GOING TO HELP OUR ECONOMY HERE. IT'S GOING TO HELP OUR EDUCATION OF OUR PEOPLE, OUR EVERYTHING. IT'S JUST GOING TO BE SUCH, SUCH A LAYER OF GREATNESS. SO I'M HAPPY TO SEE THAT. AND I'VE BEEN TALKING TO A LOT, A LOT SINCE I'M INVOLVED IN THE BOARDS, BEEN TALKING TO A LOT

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WE'LL BE PRAYING FOR YOU. THANK YOU. PRAYERS ARE BETTER THAN GOOD LUCK GETTING THEM REPLACED AGAIN. I DON'T KNOW. VICE MAYOR. YEAH, A COUPLE OF THINGS. SO, GARY, I THINK YOU MENTIONED THE PEB VOTE ON DEFERRING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. DID YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO BRING THAT FORWARD ON WEDNESDAY? WELL, I HAD ERICA HANG AROUND BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO BRING IT UP IN COMMUNICATIONS, YOU KNOW, ON WEDNESDAY. AND THEN WHEN IT CAME UP, I SAID, WELL, WE CAN DO IT AS AN ADD AN ITEM. BUT REALISTICALLY, IF THIS COUNCIL BY CONSENSUS SAYS, DON'T, YOU CAN DIRECT ME NOW TO SAY, BRING BACK A TIMELINE, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN LIGHT OF IT, OR WE CAN HAVE THAT CONVERSATION TOMORROW. SO IT OR ON WEDNESDAY. IT REALLY IS A DIRECTION. IT'S NOT A VOTE. IT'S JUST A DIRECTION. DO YOU WANT US TO PROCEED WITH BRINGING AN ORDINANCE BACK AND THEN YOU TELL US YOUR OPINION, OR DO YOU WANT TO GIVE US DIRECTION TO SAY, YOU KNOW, TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE A B'S ADVICE AND BUILD ME A SCHEDULE OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, BECAUSE WE WOULD ALSO, I WILL IMAGINE, HAVE TO BRING BACK TO YOU A POTENTIAL CONTRACT AMENDMENT TO IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THAT TIMELINE. SO I SAY THAT IS REALLY AS TO WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO TO BRING BACK TO YOU THE ORDINANCE AS IT WAS WRITTEN AND WENT TO P, A B, OR BRINGING YOU BACK THAT CALENDAR AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND JUST SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHERS. I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MEETING TO UNDERSTAND FULLY WHAT THEIR CONCERNS AND OBJECTIONS WERE.

WE HEARD IN PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY, ONE PERSON'S PERSPECTIVE, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE WAS THINKING SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE RECOMMENDING, WHAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR, AND AND THEN WHAT YOU GUYS THINK THE POSSIBLE OPTIONS ARE, WHETHER IT'S PROCEED AS IS AS WAS PROPOSED, OR IS IT DEFER AS THEY ASKED FOR? OR IS IT SOMETHING IN THE MIDDLE, LIKE PART OF IT WE CAN PROCEED WITH AND PART OF IT WE WANT TO WAIT. YEAH. SO THE INTERESTING THING ABOUT THAT IS, IS FROM THE STANDPOINT, THEN IT WOULD BE IN MY ADVICE THAT WE DO IT AS AN ADDED ITEM. I POST A SUPPLEMENT TOMORROW, ADDING THE DISCUSSION TO IT, BUT IT WILL BE PARAMOUNT THAT YOU, YOU, YOU LOOK AT IT OR TRY TO VIEW THAT VIDEO BY WEDNESDAY. AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IF WE WOULD JUST WAIT AND BRING IT TO YOU ON JUNE, JUNE 3RD, YOU. IF YOU DECIDED YOU WERE GOING AHEAD WITH FIRST READING AND THEN SECOND READING, YOU'RE NOT GETTING IT OVER SUMMER AND YOU'VE ALMOST PUSHED THE CALENDAR ANYWAY, WHICH I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT. BUT MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT THAT, I JUST DON'T WANT TO WAIT TWO MORE WEEKS BEFORE YOU GIVE US THAT FEEDBACK SO WE CAN MOVE IN THE DIRECTION, MAKES IT PALATABLE AND WE GET MOVING. THAT'S ALL. IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? YEAH. I'M CURIOUS WHAT OTHERS THINK.

I THINK WE SHOULD IF WE CAN HAVE A GOOD DISCUSSION ON WEDNESDAY, AND IT DOESN'T THROW OFF YOUR OTHER ITEMS, THAT ON THE AGENDA TOO MUCH. I MEAN, IT'LL BE ADDED AT THE END AND PROVIDED THE TIME WORST CASE SCENARIOS WE ADDED AND IT WAS NOT AT THE TIME, THEN IT WOULD PUSH TO THE THIRD. THAT'S THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO UNDER THIS SCENARIO. COULD I HAVE SCHULTZ WANTS TO COMMENT, BUT I DID NOT GET TO SEE THE COMPLETE CONVERSATION. I WAS INTERRUPTED WHEN I WAS WATCHING IT LIVE. BECAUSE WE HAD A JOINT MEETING WITH PAB, AND I KNOW THAT THERE ARE NEW MEMBERS. SO WAS THERE SPECIFICS THAT YOU CAN GIVE US TO THE REQUEST OR CONCERNS? I'M SO GLAD YOU STAYED, MISS MARTIN. THANK YOU. I WAS AT THAT MEETING WITHOUT A MEETING? YEAH.

SO WITHOUT PUTTING WORDS IN ANYONE'S MOUTH, THERE WAS CONCERN FROM A COUPLE OF THE PAB MEMBERS ABOUT A LACK OF PUBLIC INPUT, A LACK OF PUBLIC RESPONSE, AND THEN A REQUEST. I THINK JUST A BASIC CONCERN THAT THIS PROCESS WAS MOVING VERY QUICKLY AND THAT THERE HADN'T BEEN ENOUGH TIME FOR, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC TO RESPOND TO THE DRAFT OF THE ORDINANCE. SO WE DID EXPLAIN THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS THAT WE WENT THROUGH BOTH NOVEMBER, THE MEETINGS IN FEBRUARY. WE EXPLAINED, YOU KNOW, THE THE OUTREACH AND THE WEBSITE AND ALL THAT. BUT I THINK THE THE CONCERN WAS THAT NOW THAT THE DRAFT HAS BEEN PRODUCED BY THE CONSULTANT, THERE WASN'T SUFFICIENT TIME FOR THE PUBLIC TO REACT TO THE DRAFT. AND SO THE REQUEST WAS, AND I CAN READ THE MOTION FOR YOU, WAS THAT RECOMMEND THAT CITY COUNCIL

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DID THEY GIVE SPECIFICS TO THEIR CONCERNS? AND I CAN TRY AND GET THE MINUTES. SO IT WAS A LACK OF RESIDENT PARTICIPATION. WOULD LIKE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SLOW DOWN THE PROCESS. AND SO WE COULD OBTAIN MORE FEEDBACK. THERE WAS CONCERN ABOUT THAT. WE DID NOT WORK COOPERATIVELY WITH THE COUNTY IN THE DRAFTING OF THIS COMP PLAN AMENDMENT, NOR DID WE REACH OUT TO THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND SAID THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY THAT IF WE WERE TO DELAY THIS, IT WOULD CREATE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE WITH THE HOAS. THERE'S A COALITION OF HOAS THAT HAS DEVELOPED, AND THEY DID SUBMIT A LETTER REQUESTING TIME TO WORK ON THAT. SO, MADAM MAYOR, IN LIGHT OF THE CONTINUED DIALOG AND RATHER THAN HAVE ERICA PUT HER SUMMARY ON WHAT IT IS, I THINK IF WE JUST WENT ABOUT PUBLISHING A SEPARATE ITEM AND ADDING IT TO THE AGENDA AND TRYING TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AFTER EVERYONE HAS HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW, I AGREE, BUT I. IT'S THE ITEMS THAT KEEP CONTINUALLY GET ADDED THAT WE LOSE TIME ON ITEMS THAT SHOULD THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE ON THE AGENDA. I'M JUST TRYING TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE TOPIC WILL BE, AND I AGREE WE'RE NOT GOING TO VET IT NOW. I JUST DIDN'T WANT HER TO GO IN TOO MUCH OF A OPINION OF WHAT THAT THAT'S ALL I WAS ALLUDING TO. WAS THERE A SPECIFIC CONCERNS THAT THE THE TWO THREE I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MEMBERS HAD WAS THAT WAS GIVEN. SO I CAN READ THE MINUTES OR CAN WE GET THROUGH BECAUSE THE MINUTES AREN'T GOING TO BE MINUTES WON'T BE PRODUCED BY THEN. I THINK, WITHOUT ME SUMMARIZING BECAUSE I JUST HAVE NOTES. THERE'S A LETTER THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO COUNCIL FROM THE COALITION OF HOAS. THAT LETTER SUMMARIZES, I THINK, PRETTY WELL WHAT A COUPLE OF THE MEMBERS WERE, WHAT THEIR CONCERN WAS. OKAY. I THINK IN ADDITION TO WHAT WAS MENTIONED IN THAT LETTER WAS THE PB MEMBER WHO SPOKE EARLIER TODAY WAS A CONCERN THAT WE DID NOT WORK COOPERATIVELY WITH, SPECIFICALLY THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY AND CITY COUNCIL OR SORRY, COLLIER COUNTY. YEAH, I DON'T KNOW, FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT A COMP PLAN IS, BUT A COMP PLAN IS FOR THE CITY TO DETERMINE HOW THE CITY WILL LOOK AND HOW THE CITY WILL MANAGE ITS GROWTH, DEVELOPMENT, ITS DIVISIONS FOR YEARS TO COME. I MEAN, THE COUNTY HAS NEVER ASKED US. WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT A BASIC ITEM OF DEVELOPMENT, LET ALONE THEIR WHOLE COMP PLAN. WOULDN'T THAT BE LOVELY? BUT THAT'S A PROTECTION MECHANISM THAT WE HAVE. UNLESS YOU HAVE ANOTHER A BETTER WAY OF DESCRIBING OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE IMPORTANCE OF IT BEING A CITY DOCUMENT, NOT THAT WE WOULDN'T WELCOME THE COUNTY. SO THE COUNTY AND I DID PUT THIS ON THE RECORD AS TESTIMONY IN THE MEETING. WHEN WE THE THE PROCESS FOR AMENDING YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS. AFTER FIRST READING BY CITY COUNCIL, WE TRANSMIT THIS. AND THIS IS ALL FLORIDA STATUTE. WE WILL TRANSMIT THIS DRAFT. THE. THE DRAFT FROM FIRST READING. WE WILL TRANSMIT THIS TO APPROXIMATELY NINE DIFFERENT AGENCIES. ONE OF THOSE AGENCIES IS COLLIER COUNTY. SO FIRST READING IS NOT THE FINAL ADOPTION. FIRST READING IS ESSENTIALLY THE DRAFT DRAFT PHASE. WE WILL TRANSMIT THIS TO COLLIER COUNTY, AND THEY WILL HAVE 60 DAYS TO REVIEW THE PLAN AND PROVIDE THEIR FEEDBACK TO THE CITY. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THE SECOND READING. SO WE CAN WE'LL GET THE FEEDBACK FROM COLLIER COUNTY, AND THAT FEEDBACK CAN THEN BE INCORPORATED INTO THE FINAL DRAFT OF THIS PLAN. SO THIS ISN'T THIS CERTAINLY WOULD NEVER BE AMENDED AND ADOPTED WITHOUT COLLIER COUNTY'S INPUT, BECAUSE THEY ARE AFFORDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE INPUT THROUGH THE TRANSMITTAL PROCESS. THEY'RE ONE OF THE AGENCIES THAT RECEIVES THIS. BUT I THINK THE CONCERN WAS THAT IN THE DRAFTING PROCESS, IN THE IN THE, YOU KNOW, THE CREATION OF THIS

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I'VE NEVER BEEN IN ON ANY OF THE DISCUSSION WITH THEM AND THE OTHER NINE AGENCIES THAT WILL REVIEW THIS. OH, GEEZ. OH, NEVER MIND, NEVER MIND. WE CAN GO THROUGH IT. MOSTLY STATE AGENCIES, BUT IT'S LIKE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT DEPDOT. GOT IT. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO. I'M SORRY, MR. SCHULTZ. I JUST WANT TO SAY TWO MORE THINGS. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. THEY UNANIMOUSLY REJECTED OR DECLINED ORDINANCE. THE 6 TO 1.

THERE WAS 6 TO 1. AND WHAT WAS THE VOTE TO RECOMMEND THAT THEY WE GET MORE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.

SO FIRST MOTION WAS TO RECOMMEND DENIAL. AND THAT WAS 6 TO 1. AND THEN THERE WAS.

SORRY, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND MY NOTES OH THE NOVEMBER MEETING. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. SO IN THE END, I THINK WE HAD THE AGENDA ITEM GIVING YOU THE BACKGROUND AND SAYING THAT THIS IS WHAT YOU WERE RECOMMENDING. BODY, YOUR BODY THAT YOU APPOINTED HAS RECOMMENDED YOU DO. AT THAT POINT, YOU WILL GIVE US DIRECTION TO EITHER BRING THE ORDINANCE BACK TO YOU AS WRITTEN, OR YOU WILL GIVE US DIRECTION TO BRING FORTH WHAT AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN WOULD LOOK LIKE IN ORDER TO CAPTURE THAT PUBLIC INPUT THAT THEY'VE REQUESTED. I JUST THINK THAT WE SHOULD PUT THAT TO PAPER AND GET THAT TO YOU. SO WE HAVE THAT AS THE FRAMEWORK UPON WHICH WE'RE HAVING THE DISCUSSION. OKAY. AND WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO IF YOU COULD SEND TO COUNCIL THE ITEM AND THE BACKUP MATERIAL THAT THEY RECEIVED THAT WE RECEIVED, AND THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO EMAIL THAT BECAUSE THOSE FILES ARE INCREDIBLY LARGE. IT'S LIKE A 400 PAGE. WE WOULD PUBLISH THAT WHEN I IF I CAN DO A SUPPLEMENT TOMORROW, WE WOULD ADD THAT INFORMATION TO THE SUPPLEMENT. THAT WOULD BE THE REASON TO DO THE RELEASE OF THE SUPPLEMENT. SO IT'S ALL. UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T THINK WE WE CAN BECAUSE IT'S THE ORDINANCE AND WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING THE ORDINANCE ITSELF. WE'RE SIMPLY DISCUSSING THE ACTION OF THE PAB. WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WE CAN'T LIKE THE. IT'S NOT BEING PRESENTED TO COUNCIL, I BELIEVE, UNTIL JUNE 3RD. THE TRANSMITTAL, THE ORDINANCE ITSELF, WHICH IS WHAT PA BE HEARD. IF WE ADDED TO THE AGENDA FOR THE 20TH, IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE WE'RE MAKING A DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT TO TRANSMIT THE ORDINANCE, WHICH WE'RE NOT DOING. WE CAN'T DISCUSS THE ORDINANCE ON MAY 20TH. WE COULD. THERE'S A PROCESS DISCUSSION. THAT'S ONE THING, BUT THERE'S A STATUTORY NOTICING REQUIREMENT FOR FIRST HEARING OF AN ORDINANCE BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, AND THAT REQUIRES A TEN DAY, WHICH IS IN THE IN THE PAPER, WHICH WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEFORE THE THE 20TH I THINK GARY'S TALKING ABOUT JUST TALKING ABOUT THE PROCESS, NOT CONSIDERING WHETHER TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE, I WAS. BUT IF I MESSED UP BY SAYING THAT WE WOULD PUT THAT INFORMATION IN THE PACKET, I'M NOT SURE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT MR. MCCONNELL WAS SAYING THAT. I MEAN, IT WAS PUBLISHED FOR PAB, SO IT'S AVAILABLE. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY. SO I'LL JUST GO ON THE WEBSITE. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. LET'S GET AWAY FROM ALL OF THAT.

THANK YOU. SO YEAH, THE MAY 13TH MEETING HAS THE PUBLICATION OF THAT MATERIAL.

BUT ALSO THE UNDERSTANDING THAT I DON'T KNOW IF THE CONSULTANTS WOULD BE AVAILABLE ON WEDNESDAY.

I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN THEY WOULD NOT BE. SO JUST BE A PROCESS. THAT'S NOT A NEED THOUGH. BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE HAVING A DISCUSSION AS TO WHAT THE SCHEDULE WOULD LOOK LIKE. I THINK IT WOULD BE HAVING A. WE CAN HAVE BROAD STROKE DISCUSSION WITH STAFF, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO. THE QUESTION IS, ARE WE FOLLOWING THROUGH WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF PAB, OR ARE WE BRINGING IT BACK TO YOU THAT. THAT IS REALLY THE CRUX OF THE DISCUSSION. AND SO AT THAT POINT, THAT'S WHEN WE WOULD COME BACK TO YOU ON JUNE 3RD WITH HERE'S A TIMELINE, HERE'S WHAT THAT WOULD BE. WHAT DO YOU YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I JUST DON'T WANT TO I COULD FORCE IT. I COULD PUT IT ON THE AGENDA IN JUNE 3RD. AND THEN YOU JUST SAY, WELL, AND WE WENT AS IF THEY NEVER GAVE A RECOMMENDATION. THAT'S NOT WHAT WAS TRYING TO DO IS DO WE WANT TO BRING BACK TO YOU AFTER YOU'VE HAD A CHANCE TO CONSIDER WHAT THEY RECOMMENDED? THAT'S ALL I WAS ALLUDING TO. I YES, LET ME. SCHULTZ AND THEN KRAMER. I ATTENDED THE MEETING.

I AM A FORMER PAB MEMBER. THEY REVISITED A NUMBER OF THE ISSUES THAT WE DID BACK IN THE DAY AS WHEN TWO WHEN THE INITIAL HEARING WAS HELD WAS IN NOVEMBER. YOU AND I PERSONALLY

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SO I THAT'S SORT OF WHAT IT WAS. AND THEY WERE SAYING, HOW CAN ONLY 10% BE THERE? AND SOMEONE SAYS, YOU CAN'T MAKE THEM COME, YOU DRINK, YOU BRING THE HORSE TO WATER. SO I JUST SITTING THERE OBSERVING IT AND WATCH EVERYBODY GET SWORN IN. IT WAS AGAIN, I THINK SOME PEOPLE JUST LEARNING HOW TO BE ON THE PA AND, YOU KNOW, AND COUGHLIN, THE CHAIRMAN, KEPT SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE ARE AN ADVISORY BOARD, PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT. AND I THINK THAT WHEN THESE FOLKS GET THEIR SEA LEGS, IT'LL BE A LITTLE EASIER, I HOPE. BUT THAT WAS MY TAKE ON IT, HAVING BEEN THERE AND BEEN THERE IN THE PAST. AND THEN THIS TIME, AND I WOULD SAY IF IF THE DISCUSSION IS, YOU KNOW, MOVING THIS FORWARD, WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE PUBLISHED ALL THE CORRESPONDENCE, YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE TWO CORRESPONDENCE THAT HAS BEEN RECEIVED. WE HAVE RECEIVED THE LETTER FROM THE HOA COALITION. WE ALSO RECEIVED THE LETTER THAT YOU ALL RECEIVED FROM. THERE'S AN ATTORNEY REPRESENTING A COUPLE OF PEOPLE IN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, AND I THINK THE CONCERN IN THAT LETTER WAS MOSTLY SENATE BILL 180 BASED. AND. YES, BUT WE'VE HAD A LOT OF. THE PUBLIC COMMENT IS, YOU KNOW, THIS PLAN IS VAGUE. THIS PLAN IS. SO IF WE DO DECIDE, I WOULD JUST ASK IN EVERY INSTANCE WHERE WE'VE RECEIVED RECEIVED COMMENT, THIS POLICY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE'VE REACTED, WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT IN A SPECIFIC WAY. SO, I MEAN, IT'S IT'S HARD TO MAKE AMENDMENTS TO THE PLAN WHEN WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SPECIFIC WHICH POLICIES ARE PROBLEMATIC, WHAT IS THE LANGUAGE THAT IS PROBLEMATIC, YOU KNOW, SO THAT WE WOULD NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFIC. I DID OFFER AT THE MEETING STAFF IS AVAILABLE ALL THE TIME. WE MEET WITH PEOPLE

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WE'RE HERE. OUR STAFF IS HERE, YOU KNOW, ALL SUMMER. SO I THINK THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS IF YOU IF YOU READ THE CORRESPONDENCE AND THAT'S THE CORRESPONDENCE WAS KIND OF WHAT KICKED OFF THE THE THING JUST IT'S NOT SPECIFIC ENOUGH FOR OUR CONSULTANTS TO REALLY KNOW WHAT CHANGES ARE REQUESTED AND WHERE IN THE PLAN. THANK YOU. KRAMER, CAN I FINISH ONE LAST THING? THIS THING ABOUT THE COALITION OF HOAS THAT THE REFERENCE. NOW THERE'S APPARENTLY SOME LACK OF A BETTER TERM DISTRUST OF THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL AND ITS COMPOSITION AND WHAT'S REPRESENTED THERE AND HOW IT'S REPRESENTED. I, I DON'T KNOW, I'VE BEEN HEARING ABOUT THIS COALITION THING, AND IT WAS PEOPLE THAT HAVE OPPOSITE VIEWPOINTS OF SOME OTHER HOA. SO THAT THAT'S WHERE THAT GENESIS CAME FROM. I'M SORRY.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO REPEAT ONE MORE TIME ABOUT THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL AT NO TIME AND PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL, OTHER THAN ASKING THEM TO ENCOURAGE TELLING THEM THIS, THE CALENDAR OF EVENTS AND ENCOURAGE THEIR PARTICIPATION OF THEIR MEMBERS, ETC. DID WE GO THROUGH THE LANGUAGE IN ANY ONE OF THOSE SECTIONS? THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC INPUT WAS FOR.

AND SO I WANT TO DISPEL ANYTHING. IS, IS THAT BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT THAT I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL, I DON'T WANT ANY OF THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL OR THEIR CONSTITUENTS TO THINK THAT THEY WALK IN THERE. AND WE GAVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISSECT THOSE AREAS IN THE COMP PLAN. THAT'S NOT WHAT THAT WAS FOR. THAT WAS TO TRY TO GET THEIR ENGAGEMENT, TO ELICIT THEIR HELP, TO GET PEOPLE IN. THAT IS WHAT WE HAD DONE AT THOSE MEETINGS. I JUST WANTED TO SPECIFY, NO, I WASN'T. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I WAS LISTENING TO WHAT THE WHAT THE HEY, YOU WERE ON THE PAB. YES, I AM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU RAN FOR OFFICE. I THINK THEY HAVE MORE OF A COMPOSITION OF WHO ARE THE HOA'S THAT WIELD THE BIGGEST STICK, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, AND THEIR FRUSTRATIONS WITH SOME OF THAT. AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK IT STEMS FROM. THANK YOU. VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

WHEN DID THEY WANT THIS TO BE REVISITED? REMIND ME THEY WOULD LIKE THIS TO BE CONTINUED TO THE NOVEMBER MEETING OF THE PAB. THAT'S IRONIC, BECAUSE IT WAS SAID PREVIOUSLY THAT NOVEMBER WASN'T A GOOD TIME TO DO THINGS BECAUSE NOBODY WAS HERE. AND THAT'S WHY WE HAD TO ADD IT AND EXTEND THIS PROCESS. SO WHOEVER SAID THAT, THAT'S IRONIC. THE OTHER THING IS, ANYONE WHO SUGGESTS THAT THIS WAS HAPHAZARD OR RUSHED IS WRONG. THAT IS NOT THE CASE. WE WERE VERY DELIBERATE FROM THE OUTSET AND DID EVERYTHING WE COULD, INCLUDING EXTENDING TIMELINES AND ADDING COST TO THE PROCESS TO GET PUBLIC INPUT. NOW, THIS BODY MAY CHOOSE TO EXTEND IT AND TRY TO GET MORE PUBLIC INPUT. I THINK MORE MORE CAN BE BETTER. I THINK INFORMED, INTELLIGENT CONVERSATION IS ALWAYS BETTER. I THINK TALKING TO TALK OR TRYING TO BE A MOVER JUST TO DO IT IS NOT. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE I FALL ON THIS, I DO, I FIND IT INTERESTING. I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYBODY ELSE UP HERE, BUT THAT WHOEVER'S SUPPOSED TO REPRESENT ME IN THIS COALITION NEVER CONTACTED ME ABOUT ANY OF THIS. AND I DON'T KNOW ANY OF MY NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE BEEN CONTACTED ABOUT ANY OF THIS. SO IF IT'S SO PRESSING, IT'S SUCH A DIRE SITUATION. LIKE WE ARE. THE ELECTED OFFICIALS PICK UP THE PHONE OR COME TO THE HOUSE, WALK YOUR DOG BY US ALL THE TIME. SO. AGAIN, I THINK WEDNESDAY, I'D LIKE TO ADD IT TO THE AGENDA. WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION, BUT INTENDING TO OR NOT, I THINK IT OFFENDS A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT I'M WORKING REALLY HARD ON THIS PROJECT FOR A VERY LONG TIME TO, AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS, ACT AS IF THEY'VE SOMEHOW BEEN INEPT OR NOT SOPHISTICATED ENOUGH TO MOVE THIS ALONG. HAVING SAID THAT, MAYBE WE'LL WANT TO DO A DIFFERENT WAY EXPAND IT OR WHATEVER, BUT I DON'T WANT TO JUMP INTO THIS ALREADY BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN INTENTIONAL. IT HAS BEEN PATIENT. IT HAS DONE EVERYTHING. WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN TO TRY TO GET FOLKS TO ENGAGE. MAYBE WE HAVEN'T DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN. MAYBE WE'LL FIND THAT OUT, BUT WE CERTAINLY MADE A VERY, VERY GOOD EFFORT AND GONE BEYOND WHAT MOST MUNICIPALITIES WOULD DO. THAT'S A FACT. WE DID THE MAILING. WE DID THE SNAIL MAIL.

WE REACHED OUT THROUGH EMAIL. I MEAN, WE DID THE THE BIGGEST PUSH STAFF HAS EVER DONE, SOLICITING PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT FOR ANY FOR ANYTHING WE'VE EVER DONE. EVER. YEAH. SO THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. IT'S BETTER THAN ANYBODY'S EVER DONE IN THE PAST. AT THE VERY LEAST, WE CAN

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TELL US HOW WE'RE SUPPOSED TO GET THAT INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC THAT, THAT THEY NEED TO ADD TO THAT, TO THAT BASIC INSTRUCTION THAT THAT ADVISEMENT THAT THEY'RE PROVIDING US. WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE. TELL US HOW TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE'VE EXHAUSTED PROCEDURES FOR, FOR BRINGING THE PUBLIC AND GETTING THEIR INPUT. AND, AND WE, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE GOT. SO AGAIN, I, WE SHOULD LISTEN TO THEM AND DISCUSS THIS ON WEDNESDAY AND FIGURE OUT WHETHER WE WANT TO PUT A PAUSE ON IT OR NOT, PUT A PAUSE ON IT. IT'S LIKE THAT. I MEAN, IT'S NOT ONLY IT'S NOT ONLY QUANTITY, BUT THE QUALITY OF THE ENGAGEMENT. IF YOU HAVE 10%, BUT IT'S QUALITY, ENGAGEMENT. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE TALKING TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND THEY'RE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TAKING THE EFFORT BECAUSE THEY'RE THEY ARE FULLY ENGAGED IN THE COMMUNITY VERSUS HAVING SOMEBODY WHO'S NOT ENGAGED, WHO'S LOW INFORMATION, WHO DOESN'T, YOU KNOW, I THINK I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE LOWER TURNOUT, HONESTLY. SO YES, WEDNESDAY WOULD BE A GREAT TIME FOR DISCUSSION. YES. KRAMER. YES, MA'AM. YES. YES, YES. THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG. THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND I THINK THAT WE WERE ON YOU, MR. VICE MAYOR, TO START ON THIS. YEAH, I THOUGHT THAT WAS JUST GOING TO BE A BRIEF DISCUSSION TO AGREE TO PUT IT ON WEDNESDAY. OKAY. IT'S OKAY. WE ALL HAVE SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. QUESTION. SO IN THE WATER AND SEWER FUND DISCUSSION, THERE WAS TALK ABOUT, WELL, WE HAVE TO DO THIS BECAUSE THE COUNTY IS DOING THIS. THE COUNTY'S DEVELOPING THIS. SO WE'VE GOT TO DO THIS BECAUSE THERE ARE CONFLICTS OR WHATEVER. IS THERE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT OR POLICY THAT GOVERNS LIKE WHAT OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS? I MEAN, JUST BECAUSE THE COUNTY ASKS FOR SOMETHING, WE HAVE TO GO PAY FOR IT. OR DO THEY HELP PAY FOR IT OR, YOU KNOW, JUST IS THERE A GOVERNING PROCESS SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS? YEAH, WE'RE IN THAT REGARD. WE'RE WE COME BACK AS INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT ON EACH PROJECT, KEEPING IN MIND THAT WE'RE NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER UTILITY AT THAT MOMENT IN TIME. SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU GO BACK TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA A YEAR AGO, PASSED LEGISLATION THAT SAID, IF YOU BROADEN THE BROADEN THE STREET OR, YOU KNOW, WIDEN THE STREET, AND IT CAUSES UTILITY CONFLICTS, THEY CREATED A FUND BECAUSE YOU HAD FPL AND OTHER TECO AND AND THEM SAYING, WAIT A MINUTE, I GOT TO PAY TO HAVE MY LINE DONE.

SO YOU HAVE THE RIGHT AND WE HAVE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS ON, ON THINGS LIKE THAT. THEY'RE

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YEAH. BUT IT'S TYPICALLY. YEAH, BUT IT'S TYPICALLY NOT DRIVEN BY THAT. IF YOU NOTICE WHAT YOU HAVE HERE, IT'S NOT DRIVEN BY DEVELOPMENT. THOSE ARE DRIVEN BY STORMWATER PROJECTS. ANOTHER GOVERNMENT ENTITY REPLACING THEIR STORMWATER WHICH MEANS THEY'RE GOING TO TEAR UP OUR PIPES. THEREFORE WE'RE GOING TO GET THE BEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK AND MAKE SURE WE WANT WHAT WE WANT WITHIN THAT PLACE. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, NINE TIMES OUT OF TEN, DEVELOPMENT IS YOU'RE NEGOTIATING THAT YOU DON'T HAVE CAPACITY THERE, AND THEY'LL NEGOTIATE ON OUR BEHALF AS WELL WITHIN OUR SERVICE DISTRICT TO SAY, WELL, YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THIS IS A 12 INCH LINE AS OPPOSED TO A SIX INCH LINE. SO THOSE THINGS ARE ALREADY ONGOING IN DEVELOPMENT. ALL THREE CASES THAT WERE ON THAT SHEET, THERE WERE TWO STORM WATER AND THE OTHER IS WIDENING. AND COLLIER BOULEVARD IS WHERE OUR MAIN TRANSFER OR TRANSMIT LINE COMES FROM OUR WATER WELLS. AND IN THAT CASE, SO THE THREE THAT WERE ON THERE, THE 22,000,005, THE 800 000 AND THE OTHER 2,000,003. I'M PARAPHRASING, SO I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THOSE ARE BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY SPECIFIC PROJECTS WITH VERY SPECIFIC DELINEATED NEEDS OF ANOTHER GOVERNMENT AGENCY. IT'S NOT ABOUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. NOW THERE'S ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, I'M SURE, AND WHY THEY'RE WIDENING COLLIER BOULEVARD, BUT IT'S NOT A DIRECT CORRELATION TO ANY DEVELOPMENT. WELL. I'M JUST IT'S NOT A DEVELOPMENT IN AND OF ITSELF. IT JUST ISN'T. OKAY. CAN I ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION? WELL, I NEED TO ASK A QUICK QUESTION. ALSO NOT TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE ON THAT. GO AHEAD.

THANK YOU. BECAUSE THE MARINA, WHICH IS IT'S NOT EVEN USING THE SAME NAME, THAT MASSIVE DEVELOPMENT, BEAUTIFUL DEVELOPMENT, BUT IT BEGINS WITH AN H. I DON'T KNOW THE MARINA THAT SPECIFICALLY. THAT'S RIGHT THERE IN THE CRA AREA. IT'S RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE TRIANGLE AND IT'S THE MARINA. SO WE ARE UPGRADING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.

THEY'RE UPGRADING THEIR PART, BUT WE'RE HAVING TO UPGRADE OUR PART BECAUSE OF THAT DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. THERE'S THERE'S TWO TYPES. TWO TYPES. THE ONES THAT YOU JUST HAD BEFORE, YOU ARE STORMWATER PROJECTS THAT WERE NOT RELATED TO SANITARY SEWER OR ANYTHING ELSE. SO YES, BUT THEY ARE IN REFERENCE TO THEIR STORMWATER BEING ABLE TO BE RETAINED AND THE PIPES BE ABLE TO HOLD THE WATER THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING IN FROM THAT PROJECT. IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK SPECIFIC DEVELOPMENT, THEN GIVE ME THE DEVELOPMENT AND WE WILL COME BACK. I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK OTHER THAN BECAUSE IT WAS A GENERAL QUESTION. YEAH. AND SO I WANTED TO GIVE THE THREE THAT WERE THERE ON THERE AND THOSE SPECIFIC THANKS. YEAH, I GUESS I AT LEAST I'M GETTING THINGS CONVOLUTED BECAUSE I HEAR ABOUT DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND THE THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED TODAY. SO CERTAINLY ANY OF THOSE IN THE BAYSHORE AREA, RIGHT ON OUR BORDER AND OUR SERVICE AREA, THOSE I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN WHAT WE'RE BEING ASKED TO DO AND WHAT OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS. THE ONE COMING IN FROM GOLDEN GATE, THE OUR MAIN WATER LINE THAT I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I WAS MORE INTERESTED IN IF IT'S DEVELOPMENT RELATED OR REDEVELOPMENT RELATED, PARTICULARLY IN THE CRA. AND I HAD BEEN THINKING ABOUT IMPACT FEES FROM THE DEVELOPER. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT CRA FEES THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE USE OUR CRA TO HELP PAY FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. I THINK THEY DO

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THANK YOU. CALCIUM. THANK YOU. AND SO TWO BEFORE KRAMER, JUST TO WRAP THE MY POINT, IT GOES TO THE IMPACT FEES. SO IF THE COUNTY IS GETTING IMPACT FEES FOR DEVELOPMENT, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE WATER AND SEWER, WHETHER IT'S THEIRS OR NOT, THEY'RE GOING TO BE GETTING IMPACT FEES. CORRECT. IF THERE IS AN IMPACT. BUT IF IT IS WITHIN OUR WATER OR SEWER SERVICE AREA, THOSE IMPACT FEES COME TO US FOR TO INCREASE CAPACITY, WHETHER COLLECTED BY THEM OR NOT. LIKEWISE, WITHIN THE JURISDICTION, THAT IS, IF IT'S WITHIN THE CORPORATE LIMITS AND STEVE COLLECTS THE IMPACT FEES, IT WOULD BE IT STILL STAYS WITHIN OUR OUR COFFERS. NOW, I WILL SAY THAT ANY COUNTY PROJECT DOES NOT INCREASE ANY POLICE, FIRE OR PARKS IMPACT FEES THAT ARE IMPOSED BY THE CITY HAS NO BASIS. BUT THE. BECAUSE IT'S OUTSIDE THE CORPORATE LIMITS AS IT PERTAINS TO WATER AND SANITARY SEWER. IF IT'S IN THE SERVICE AREA AND IT REQUIRES IMPACT FEES BASED ON THE. THE DENSITY INCREASE AND THE DEMAND INCREASE, THEN. THEREFORE, IT WOULD BE IMPACT FEES IN THE COUNTY WOULD REMIT TO US. NOW THERE ARE. I'M NOT SURE I WANT TO GO DOWN THIS, BUT THERE ARE THERE THERE ARE DEVELOPMENTS WHEREBY THEY'RE REQUIRED TO PUT IN CERTAIN THINGS, INCLUDING THEIR OWN. JUST NO DIFFERENT THAN THE BEACH CLUB, WHERE IT THEN BECOMES A CONVEYANCE PRIOR TO CO. SO THAT'S WHY I HESITATE TO SAY SPECIFIC ON A PROJECT, BECAUSE I NEED TO KNOW THE PROJECT. AND SO I'LL LOOK AT ALL THE ONES IN THE REGION AND THEN I CAN HAVE AN INTELLIGENT CONVERSATION. I JUST WHEN I TALK GENERAL, I WAS TRYING TO GET TO THE OTHER JURISDICTION IN THERE. SO WE'LL GET TO THOSE AND I'LL BRING THOSE BACK. BUT BUT IT HAPPENS IN BOTH WAYS. BUT IMPACT FEES ARE VERY SPECIFIC. INSIDE THE CORPORATE LIMITS IS ONE THING, OUTSIDE IS ANOTHER. BUT WITHIN THE SERVICE BOUNDARY, THE WATER AND SANITARY SEWER APPLY THE SAME WAY, JUST COLLECTED AT A DIFFERENT LOCATION. YOU'RE THE FIRST ONE TO GET AN AMBER ALERT. NO, NO, IT'S VOLUNTARY EVACUATION DUE TO A BRUSH FIRE. IT'S NOWHERE NEAR US. OKAY, IT'S YOUR TURN. SO, COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER, THAT'S A WAY TO MAKE A GRANDSTAND. YEAH, MY HEART RATE'S UP. NO, THERE'S.

THERE'S A BIG BRUSH FAR OUT EAST. WE HAVE TRUCKS OUT THERE, SO. YEAH, IT'S JUST NOT NEAR HERE. YEAH. OKAY. THEY'RE THEY'RE DOING A BIG YOU KNOW, NO, NO, TO THE TO THE CHIEFS CREDIT, HE TEXTED ME AN HOUR AGO, BUT I'VE BEEN FULLY ENGAGED WITH MY COUNCIL. SO.

OKAY. I THINK SOME OF THE CONFUSION YOU PLEASE CORRECT ME, MR. YOUNG. WHEN. CALL IT DEVELOPMENT. CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT. WHEN THE COUNTY HAS TO DIG UP WHATEVER TO DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO, IT MAY IT, IT MAY TRIGGER US TO REPLACE THINGS THAT NEEDED REPLACING ANYWAY. OR IS THAT THE CASE THAT THAT IS WHAT I'M RIGHT. IT'S NOT AS IF WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR US TO DO SOMETHING, THEN WE TRY TO DO IT TO CONTROL THAT. AND BECAUSE WE SAVE A LOT OF MONEY. CORRECT? YEAH. SO I MEAN, SOMETHING WE WOULDN'T NEED. IT'S OUR THEY'RE OUR SERVICE LINES ANYWAY. IT'S NOT AS IF WE'RE DIGGING UP BRAND NEW SERVICE LINES BECAUSE IF THEY WERE WHATEVER THEY NEEDED TO BE, WE WOULDN'T BE DIGGING THEM UP ANYWAY. WE'D LET THEM WORK AROUND THEM. AM I CORRECT? CORRECT. YEAH. THERE'S SOME TRUTH THAT IT CAN PULL YOU TO DO THEM MAYBE FIVE YEARS OR SEVEN YEARS EARLIER THAN YOU OTHERWISE WOULD HAVE. BUT WHILE IT'S OPEN, DOING IT RIGHT IS PARAMOUNT. SO YOU DON'T END UP WITH WHAT WE SAW IN THOSE PICTURES. THAT'S RIGHT. BY DEALING WITH CONFLICTS. AND THEN YOU END UP WITH SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A ROLLER COASTER. YEP. AND IN THE END, WE WIND UP SAVING MONEY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO DIG ALL THAT STUFF UP OURSELVES AND REPLACE THE TOP PART. IT VERY POSSIBLE.

OKAY, JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT. I'M GOING TO STOP FROM HAVING TO SAY WHEN WE SAVED MONEY TYPE DEAL. OKAY, YEAH, GUESS HOW MUCH I SAVED. GUESS HOW MUCH I SAVED HONEY, I'VE HEARD THAT. LOVE YOU DEAR. OKAY. THANK YOU. GOOD COMPARISON. OKAY, I THINK THAT'S IT FOR

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AND REMEMBER, WE'RE GOING ABOUT GOING AFTER THAT GRANT AND RECEIVED HER LETTER TODAY OF SUPPORT ON THAT. SO THANK YOU. I I'LL JUST POINT THAT OUT. THANK YOU. THAT. PASSIDOMO. YES,

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