[1) CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL]
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          THIS REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING. THIS BEAUTIFUL MAY 6TH, 2026 DAY. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. CRAMER HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          KROL HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN HERE. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ HERE. VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP HERE. MAYOR HARTMAN HERE. THANK YOU. WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE PASTOR MARK CALDWELL FROM 
          [2) INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
NORTH NAPLES CHURCH TO DO THE INVOCATION AND FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE LED BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. IF YOU'LL PLEASE STAND. GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY, AND THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY. AND JUST AS I LIKE TO REMEMBER, IS THAT I BELIEVE THIS IS THE BEST TIME OF THE YEAR, AS WE STILL HAVE GORGEOUS WEATHER AND THE ROADS AND THE RESTAURANTS BACK TO OURSELVES. 
          FOR THOSE OF US THAT ARE YEAR ROUNDERS. BUT AS I'M HERE TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE WORK AND ASK GOD'S BLESSING UPON IT. SO LET'S PRAY. 
          DEAR GOD, WE DO COME HERE THIS MORNING THANKING YOU FOR THE WORK OF SO MANY WHO MAKE THIS CITY A WONDERFUL PLACE, WHETHER WE LIVE HERE YEAR ROUND, OR FOR THOSE WHO COME FOR A PERIOD OF THEIR YEAR TO ENJOY THIS WONDERFUL CITY AND ALL THAT IT OFFERS. WE KNOW, LORD, THAT YOU CREATED THE BEAUTY OF THIS PLACE, AND YET THERE ARE THOSE THAT TAKE CARE OF IT AS STEWARDS FOR THE COMMUNITY AND ALL OF THOSE WHO ARE IN IT. AND SO I PRAY FOR THOSE THAT ARE IN POSITIONS OF LEADERSHIP, THOSE WHO ARE MAKING DECISIONS, FOR THOSE WHO GO TO WORK AND SERVE THE GREATEST OF NEEDS AND THE LEAST OF NEEDS FOR THOSE WHO PUT THEIR LIVES IN HARM'S WAY TO TAKE CARE OF THOSE THAT ARE A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND FOR THOSE WHO SACRIFICE TIME AND RESOURCES IN ALL THAT THEY DO. AND SO I PRAY YOUR BLESSING UPON THIS MORNING AND THOSE THAT WILL BE RECOGNIZED. AND ALSO, LORD, FOR THE WORK AND DECISIONS THAT WILL BE MADE. I THANK YOU FOR THE WISDOM. I THANK YOU FOR THE THE OFFERINGS OF SERVICE AND FOR THE MANY TALENTS IN THIS CITY THAT MAKE THIS PLACE WONDERFUL. AND SO I PRAY YOUR BLESSING UPON IT ALL. 
          AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU. PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, MR. YOUNG. 
          [3) SET AGENDA (add or remove items)]
SETTING THE AGENDA. GOOD MORNING. MAYOR. YEAH. JUST A COUPLE ITEMS. FIRST OF ALL, WE HAD TWO SUPPLEMENT THAT WAS RELEASED UPDATING TWO ITEMS. THE SUPPLEMENT INCLUDED A UPDATED ITEM RELATED TO ITEM SEVEN M, WHICH IS A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE DEMOLITION OF A BUILDING AT 160-190 10TH STREET NORTH. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ITEM THAT WAS UPDATED RELATED TO ITEM 13 A, WHICH IS A TRAFFIC STUDY POLICY CHANGE FROM JOHNSON ENGINEERING AND AND PROVIDING DIRECTION FROM. IT'S A DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION ITEM. SO AND THEN LASTLY, MA'AM, WE ARE ADDING AN AGENDA ITEM FOR NEW BUSINESS, WHICH WILL BE TAKEN AS ITEM 14 E AND THIS IS AN EXECUTIVE AT THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO BE HELD MAY 7TH AT 2026. AND THIS ITEM WILL BE RELATED, WILL BE HEARD. EXCUSE ME, IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE AGENDA SECTION OF BOARDS AND COMMITTEES. AND THAT WAY WE CAN NOTICE THE THE ITEM SHOULD COUNCIL AGREE TO HAVE THE SPECIAL EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO THANK YOU MA'AM. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, MR. YOUNG, THE ITEM THAT WE'RE ADDING 14 E WILL GO AFTER IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING BOARDS AND COMMITTEES. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE A MOTION TO SET THE AGENDA. SET THE AGENDA WITH THAT ONE SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER PENNIMAN AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ. ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNED BY I, I, I OPPOSED THANK YOU. COUNCIL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. TAKES US TO 
          [4.A) Do the Right Thing & Presentation of the Newberry Scholarship.]
ANNOUNCEMENTS AND PRESENTATIONS. I HAVE DO THE RIGHT THING WITH CHIEF DOMINGUEZ AND MASTER OFFICER SEAN PHILLIPS. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. I'D LIKE TO WELCOME EVERYONE. THANK FOR BEING HERE. PRESENTATION. ON SCHOLARSHIP. I'D LIKE TO THANK MARK'S PARENTS, JOHN AND 
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MICHELLE, FOR JOINING US HERE THIS MORNING. I'D ALSO LIKE TO WELCOME TO OUR BOARD FOR DO THE RIGHT THING COMMISSIONER DAN COLE. WELCOME TO THE THEME. THANK YOU COMMISSIONER. THIS MORNING THE SCHOLARSHIP THAT WILL BE GIVING IS MADE POSSIBLE BY OUR GENEROUS SPONSORS, AND WE'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE THEM. SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE OUR SPONSORS COME UP. PAT, IF YOU CAN HELP ME WITH THAT. WE HAVE PJ COLEMAN FROM THE NAPLES GATORS, HEATHER BOWE FROM PARK COSMETIC DENTISTRY, THE MARVEL FAMILY, KEITH AND MAX. THE SUNDERLAND FAMILY CANNOT BE WITH HERE THIS MORNING. AND PATRICK AND BRENDA O'CONNOR. THROUGH THEIR FUNDING, WE WERE ABLE TO RAISE OUR SCHOLARSHIP FROM $1000 TO $2500 THIS YEAR. AND IT ALSO LEFT US MONEY TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS SCHOLARSHIP CONTINUES IN THE FUTURE. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO TO KEEP THIS PROGRAM GOING. WE APPRECIATE IT. AND NOW A FEW WORDS FROM COACH KRAMER. THANKS, COACH. I KNOW HIM AS A COACH TOO. SO. MARK NEWBERRY RECEIVED THE DO THE RIGHT THING AWARD FROM THE CITY OF NAPLES IN OCTOBER 2014. MARK TOOK THE INITIATIVE TO PUSH NUMEROUS CARS WITH PASSENGERS TRAPPED INSIDE TO SAFETY DURING A FLOOD. BY THE WAY, KUDOS TO THE CITY OF NAPLES, FOLKS, BECAUSE THAT USED TO HAPPEN ALL THE TIME. WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT HURRICANES. THEY'RE JUST BE RIGHT THERE AT GOLDEN GATE PARKWAY AND GOODLETTE CARS WOULD BE FLOATING WHEN IT RAINED HARD AND WE'D BE AT FOOTBALL PRACTICE BECAUSE WE DON'T STOP WHEN IT RAINS. JUST FOR THE RECORD. NOW PUSHING THE CARS WITH FOLKS IN THEM WITH WATER THAT HIGH, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN ALL THE TIME. MARK WAS THE FIRST WITH THAT ONE. IT DIDN'T SURPRISE ANYONE WHEN THEY HEARD OF MARK'S ACT OF HEROISM, NO MATTER THE CIRCUMSTANCE. MARK WAS ALWAYS WILLING TO LEND A HELPING HAND. WE REMEMBER MARK AS A SON, A BROTHER, AN ATHLETE, A SCHOLAR, AND A PERSON WHO WAS THERE FOR OTHERS THAT WERE IN NEED. WHEN OUR DO THE RIGHT THING COMMITTEE, AS WELL AS OUR CITY COUNCIL, LEARNED OF MARK'S PASSING, WE THOUGHT OF A WAY TO CELEBRATE MARK'S LIFE AND HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS. THE MARK NEWBERRY MEMORIAL SCHOLARSHIP WAS CREATED. IT WAS DECIDED THE SCHOLARSHIP WOULD BE PRESENTED TO A HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT WHO WAS RECOGNIZED FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING. WITH THE HELP OF GENEROUS SPONSORS, WE WILL. WE WERE ABLE TO TURN OUR IDEA INTO A REALITY. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY, MARK, IT WAS TRAGIC AND IT WASN'T. THERE WAS NOTHING NEFARIOUS. HE WASN'T OUT GETTING HAMMERED. NO DRUG, NONE OF THAT. IT WAS AN ACCIDENT IN A BOAT, GETTING READY TO GO FISHING WITH HIS BUDDY. AND OUR FOOTBALL PROGRAM. WE DEFINE A SUPERSTAR AS SOMEONE WHO MAKES THOSE AROUND HIM BETTER. AND MARK NEWBERRY WAS THAT GUY. HE WAS NATIONAL HONOR SOCIETY GUY. HE WAS HEAD OF THE ROTC BATTALION GUY. HE WAS ALL AREA LINEBACKER. AND WHAT I AN ENDEARING MEMORY FOR ME IS AFTER A GAME, SHAKING THE HANDS OF THE OPPONENT, THE HEAD COACH WOULD OFTEN SAY, MAN, THAT NEWBERRY KID, HE LOOKS WAY BIGGER ON FILM. LIKE, YEAH, I KNOW HE DOES. YOU MISSED THIS GUY AND YOU'RE GOING TO GET SMOKED. HE WAS THAT GUY. THE THING I REALLY REMEMBER IS THE SMILE, AND ANYBODY THAT KNEW HIM WOULD REMEMBER IT. AND THERE WERE TIMES, YOU KNOW, THEY SAY IT'S NOT THE SIZE OF THE DOG IN THE FIGHT. IT'S THE SIZE OF THE FIGHT IN THE DOG. 
          WHOEVER SAID THAT NEVER PLAYED FOOTBALL BECAUSE SIZE ABSOLUTELY MATTERS. AND IN MARK'S CASE, THERE WERE TIMES HE DIDN'T CARE. HE WE CALLED HIM A HUMAN BULLET, AND HE WOULD JUST FLY UP IN THERE AND SMOKE BIG GUYS, AND HE'D GET UP AND I KNOW SOMETHING HURT REALLY, REALLY BAD. AND I'D BE LIKE, YOU GOOD? JUST THE SMILE. I JUST SEE THE SMILE. AND THAT'S HOW HE WAS THROUGHOUT HIS ENTIRE LIFE. AND I JUST WANT TO. THE LAST THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS. HE WASN'T JUST A SUPERSTAR. HE WAS A THERMOSTAT. AND THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS WHO ARE SUPERSTARS. THEY DO MAKE THOSE AROUND THEM BETTER, BUT THEY'RE NOT THERMOSTATS, AND THEY GET RUN OVER BY THE FOLKS WHO AREN'T SUPERSTARS. THEY GET RUN OVER BY FOLKS WHO ARE JUST AGGRESSIVE AND BULLYING AND WILLING TO DO WHATEVER. MARK WASN'T WILLING TO DO. WHATEVER. HOW HE WENT ABOUT HIS BUSINESS WAS REALLY IMPORTANT TO HIM, ALWAYS WITH GRACE AND KINDNESS. BUT HE WAS ALSO A THERMOSTAT, NOT A THERMOMETER. HE SET THE TONE IN THE ROOM. HE SET THE TONE FOR OUR TEAM, AND UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S TOO FEW OF THOSE TYPES OF FOLKS ON OUR PLANET. I'D ENCOURAGE ALL YOU SUPERSTARS TO BECOME THERMOSTATS, AND WE'RE ABOUT TO GIVE AN AWARD RIGHT NOW TO A GUY WHO IS JUST THAT. AND IT'S 
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A TREMENDOUS HONOR AND EXTREMELY APPROPRIATE THAT ANDRE'S RECEIVING THIS TODAY. 
          WE LOVE YOU AND WE MISS YOU, MARK. 
          I'LL PACK YOUR BAGS. SOMETHING SMALL. TAKE WHAT YOU NEED AND WILL DISAPPEAR WITHOUT A TRACE. WE'LL BE GONE. GONE. MOON AND THE STARS WILL FOLLOW THE CAR. AND THEN WHEN WE GET TO THE OCEAN. GONNA TAKE A BOAT TO THE END OF THE WORLD. ALL THE WAY TILL THE END OF THE WORLD. OH, AND WHEN THE KIDS ARE OLD ENOUGH. WE'RE GONNA TEACH. THEM TO FLY. NO, I MEANT TOGETHER. COULD DO ANYTHING. BABY, YOU AND ME TOGETHER. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. TWO OF US TOGETHER COULD DO ANYTHING. BABY. YOU AND ME TOGETHER, YEAH, YEAH. TWO OF US TOGETHER. YEAH, YEAH. 
          TWO OF US TOGETHER. YOU, ANYTHING. SO SMALL. I TOLD HER WE. AND ALL THE WORLD. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THIS YEAR'S MARK NEWBERRY MEMORIAL SCHOLARSHIP RECIPIENT ANDRE FERDINAND FROM NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL. I'D LIKE TO READ ANDRE'S NOMINATION. YOU CAN STAY UP HERE WITH ME, BUT WE GOT A LOT OF STUFF FOR YOU. I'D LIKE TO READ THE NOMINATION. THAT COACH RICK MARTIN FROM NAPLES HIGH SUBMITTED FOR ANDRE ANDRE FERDINAND EXEMPLIFIES THE VERY BEST OF NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL THROUGH HIS SERVANT LEADERSHIP, HUMILITY AND UNWAVERING COMMITMENT TO OTHERS. 
          THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER AT NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL, ANDRE HAS CONSISTENTLY GIVEN HIS TIME AND ENERGY TO SUPPORT HIS SCHOOL, HIS TEAMMATES, AND HIS COMMUNITY IN MEANINGFUL WAYS. 
          ANDRE HAS PLAYED A VITAL ROLE IN ORGANIZING THE FELLOWSHIP OF CHRISTIAN ATHLETES EVENTS BOTH ON CAMPUS AND BEYOND, HELPING CREATE SPACES WHERE STUDENTS CAN GROW IN FAITH, CHARACTER, AND FELLOWSHIP. FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS, HE HAS ALSO LED THE STUDENT RUN FCA BIBLE STUDIES FOR FOOTBALL PLAYERS AND FELLOWS. FELLOW NAPLES HIGH ATHLETES DEMONSTRATING COURAGE, INITIATIVE AND A GENUINE DESIRE TO MENTOR HIS PEERS. HIS SERVICE EXTENDS WELL BEYOND THE CLASSROOM AND FIELD. ANDRE VOLUNTEERED HIS TIME TO SET UP AND BREAK DOWN THE ANNUAL NIGHT TO SHINE EVENT, SUPPORTING NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER MONICA RODRIGUEZ AND HELPING ENSURE THE EVENT WAS MEMORABLE AND JOYFUL EXPERIENCE FOR ALL INVOLVED. ADDITIONALLY, DURING FOOTBALL SEASON, ANDRE QUIETLY AND FAITHFULLY DEDICATED COUNTLESS WEEKENDS TO ASSISTING COACH MARTIN WITH FOOTBALL, LAUNDRY. FROM WEEKLY PRACTICES AND GAMES AND UNGLAMOROUS TASKS, THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES ABOUT HIS CHARACTER AND WILLINGNESS TO SERVE WITHOUT RECOGNITION BECAUSE OF HIS EXEMPLARY INTEGRITY, SELFLESSNESS, AND LEADERSHIP, ANDRE WAS SELECTED BY COACH MARTIN TO BECOME THE FIRST NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL PLAYER SINCE 1998 TO WEAR THE RETIRED JERSEY NUMBER 13, WORN BY RUSTY LARABEL. THIS HONOR REFLECTS NOT ONLY ANDRE'S COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE ON THE FIELD, BUT ALSO HIS DEEP RESPECT THAT HE HAS EARNED AS A YOUNG MAN WHO REPRESENTS THE VALUES, HISTORY AND HEART OF NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL. ANDRE FERDINAND IS A ROLE MODEL TO HIS PEERS AND A SHINING EXAMPLE OF WHAT IT MEANS TO LEAD THROUGH SERVICE. HIS IMPACT WILL BE FELT LONG AFTER HIS GRADUATION FROM NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL. ANDRE, ON BEHALF OF THE 
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CITY OF NAPLES, I WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT YOU WITH A CHECK FOR $2,500 IN RECOGNITION OF THE NEWBERRY MEMORIAL SCHOLARSHIP. I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT ANDRE WILL BE CONTINUING BOTH HIS ATHLETIC AND ACADEMIC JOURNEY AT PRINCETON IN A. IN JUST A FEW WEEKS, I'LL BE LEAVING. AND A LOT OF YOU DON'T KNOW THIS IN HERE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT RUSTY LARRY BELL IN 1998, WHEN WE FIRST CAME HERE, RUSTY LARRY WAS ON OUR FOOTBALL TEAM AT THE CONCLUSION OF A GAME. AFTER A GAME, AFTER THE HANDSHAKE LINE, HE BECAME UNCONSCIOUS, WAS IN A COMA HERE FOR ABOUT, I FORGET WHAT IT WAS NOW. ETERNITY, 12 DAYS, I THINK BEFORE HE PASSED. WE GIVE ONE AWARD AT NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL. THERE'S NO LIKE OFFENSIVE PLAYER DEFENSE. NONE OF THAT. THERE'S ONE AWARD. 
          IT'S A RUSTY LARRY BELL AWARD. AND HIS NUMBER WAS RETIRED. FOR HIM TO WEAR THAT NUMBER. IT JUST SAYS EVERYTHING. IF YOU KNOW THE STORY AND I AM, IT'S AN HONOR FOR ME TO HAVE THIS YOUNG MAN HERE TODAY. THANK YOU. IN CLOSING, I'D LIKE TO BRING UP PATRICK O'CONNOR, OUR CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD. BUT PRIOR TO THAT, I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK CHIEF DOMINGUEZ FOR ALL HIS ASSISTANCE AND LEADERSHIP AND MENTORSHIP TO MAKE OUR DO THE RIGHT THING PRESENTATIONS, WHAT THEY ARE AND SUCCESS OF THE PROGRAM. THANK YOU CHIEF. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALLOWING THIS WONDERFUL PROGRAM TO EXIST IN THE CITY. AS YOU SAW THIS MORNING, ANDRE WELL DESERVED. THIS IS WHAT THE PROGRAM IS ALL ABOUT. WE HAVE RECOGNIZED OVER 250 YOUNG ADULTS IN THE COMMUNITY, AND THIS SEPTEMBER WILL START OUR 14TH YEAR DOING THE PROGRAM IN THE CITY. JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. HAVE A GREAT DAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT. MAYOR, CAN WE COME UP FOR A PHOTO, PLEASE? PLEASE. MR. TURN SIDEWAYS. LITTLE ON THE FRONT. RIGHT NOW. BACK ROW. WHERE'S LITTLE SCOOT OVER. THIS WAY. SOMEONE. OVER THIS. 
          MADAM MAYOR. MR. YOUNG, BEFORE WE GET OFF OF THIS ITEM, WE DO HAVE AN AGENDA. ITEMS I'D LIKE TO SIDETRACK JUST FOR ONE MOMENT AND HAVE THE CHIEFS DOMINGUEZ COME UP. WE HAVE AN ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT IS ITEM SEVEN A, THAT IS A DONATION FROM JOHN AND KATHY FEEHAN. AND I JUST WANTED TO TAKE AN OPPORTUNITY. I THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE. THAT'S ON CONSENT TO JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THIS DONATION AND HAVE CHIEF DOMINGUEZ COME UP AND JUST SAY A STATEMENT OR TWO ABOUT THE DONATION AND WHAT HOW IT WAS DERIVED. SO I THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE GIVEN THE NATURE OF THIS ITEM. SO THANK YOU. CHERYL DOMINGUEZ CHIEF OF POLICE, WE 
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DO HAVE, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE HAVE AN EXTRAORDINARY COMMUNITY. AND WHAT HAPPENS FROM TIME TO TIME IS THAT VERY SPECIAL PEOPLE COME FORWARD AND HELP US, WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE. AND IN THIS CASE, MR. FEEHAN, SERGEANT, MR. FEEHAN AND AND HIS WIFE, SHE HAD GONE THROUGH OUR CITIZENS POLICE ACADEMY AND GRACIOUSLY DONATED MONEY FOR ANOTHER VEHICLE. AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE CIP STUFF AND ADDING VEHICLES AND ADDING EQUIPMENT. AND IT IS THIS SENSE OF UNITY AND COOPERATION AND PARTNERSHIP WITH OUR COMMUNITY THAT ALLOWS US TO KEEP MOVING THINGS FORWARD, TO PROTECT THIS THIS CITY WITH EQUIPMENT, TECHNOLOGY. 
          BUT MORE IMPORTANT IS THIS SENSE OF FELLOWSHIP THAT WE HAVE WITH OUR CITIZENS THAT I THINK IS VERY UNIQUE TO NAPLES, WHERE, YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE SAY JOKINGLY, IF YOU COME WORK AT NAPLES, PEOPLE WILL WAVE AT YOU WITH ALL THEIR HAND, RIGHT? IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, NOT SO MUCH. AND SO IT. NOW YOU GET IT. YEAH. EARLY MORNING FOR THAT ONE. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS I'M SO DEEPLY APPRECIATIVE. AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS TO TO THE FAMILY AND AND THEIR GRACIOUS DONATION TO US BECAUSE IT MOVES OUR STRATEGIC PLAN CLOSER TO FRUITION. AND I KNOW WE PLANNED IT OUT FOR ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS, MAYBE SOONER. WE'LL SEE TO GET CERTAIN THINGS IN ALIGNMENT. AND IT'S WITH THIS KIND OF HELP AND SUPPORT THAT ME THAT MAKES US MORE EFFICIENT, MORE EFFECTIVE AND BETTER TO SERVE YOU ALL. SO I'LL PUT YOU ON IT. I DIDN'T COME WITH ANYTHING PREPARED, BUT MY WIFE JUST WENT THROUGH THE THE COMMUNITY POLICE ACADEMY AND WAS AMAZED AND AWED AT THE KINDNESS, THE DEDICATION, AND THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT MAKES TO NOT ONLY PROTECT THE CITIZENS OF NAPLES, BUT TO INFORM THEM, EDUCATE THEM, AND, YOU KNOW, BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND REALLY HAVE A COMMUNITY OUTREACH. SO WE FELT WE WANTED TO, TO HELP OUT IN ANY WAY WE CAN. AND WE'RE HONORED AND HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO DONATE THE MONEY TO ALLOW FOR THEM TO CONTINUE THE GREAT WORK THAT THEY DO. AND WE'RE BLESSED TO BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND TO HAVE A POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT IS SO INVOLVED WITH ITS COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND REALLY HERE TO HELP AND PROTECT, BUT ALSO JUST BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY OUTREACH AND REALLY LET THE COMMUNITY KNOW THAT IT'S A IT'S IT'S A PARTNERSHIP IN HOW WE HOW WE LOOK AFTER THE CITY. AND WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR ALL THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO, WHO SERVE ON THE, ON THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. TWO MORE TWO MORE THINGS. OUR SAFETY FAIR IS THIS SATURDAY. EVERYBODY'S INVITED. AND IN ALWAYS GO NAPLES. THANK YOU MAYOR. COULD 
          [4.B) Proclamation for Municipal Clerks Week.]
I HAVE PAT RAMOS AND STEPHANIE AND ALI AND JESSICA AND LITTLE JESSICA AND CARMEN AND DAVE COME FORWARD? SO THESE ARE THE WOMEN AND THE MEN WHO MAKE SURE THAT OUR RECORDS ARE ACCURATE. 
          AND OUR PUBLIC RECORDS ARE AVAILABLE TO THE COMMUNITY, AND THEY SERVE THE COMMUNITY IN AN INCREDIBLE WAY. SO THANK YOU. I'M. THIS PROCLAMATION IS WHEREAS THE OFFICE OF THE MUNICIPAL CLERK, A TIME HONORED AND VITAL PART OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT EXISTS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD. AND WHEREAS, THE OFFICE OF PROFESSIONAL MUNICIPAL CLERK IS ONE OF THE OLDEST ROLES AMONG PUBLIC SERVANTS, AND WHEREAS, THE OFFICE OF THE PROFESSIONAL MUNICIPAL CLERK PROVIDES THE PROFESSIONAL LINK BETWEEN CITIZENS, THE LOCAL GOVERNING BODIES, AGENCIES OF GOVERNMENT AND OTHER LEVELS. WHEREAS, PROFESSIONAL MUNICIPAL CLERKS HAVE PLEDGED TO BE EVERY VERY MINDFUL OF THEIR NEUTRALITY AND IMPARTIALITY, RENDERING EQUAL SERVICES TO ALL. AND WHEREAS THE PROFESSIONAL MUNICIPAL CLERK SERVES AS THE INFORMATION CENTER ON FUNCTIONS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND COMMUNITY AFFAIRS. WHEREAS, PROFESSIONAL MUNICIPAL CLERKS CONTINUALLY STRIVE TO IMPROVE THE ADMINISTRATION OF AFFAIRS OF THE OFFICE OF PROFESSIONAL MUNICIPAL CLERKS THROUGH PARTICIPATION IN EDUCATION PROGRAMS, SEMINARS, WORKSHOPS AND ANNUAL MEETINGS OF THE STATE AND THE COUNTY AND 
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INTERNATIONAL PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATIONS. WHEREAS, IT IS FITTING TO RECOGNIZE THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF THE OFFICE OF THE PROFESSIONAL MUNICIPAL CLERK. 
          NOW, THEREFORE, I. MAYOR OF THE CITY OF NAPLES, FLORIDA, DO RECOGNIZE THE WEEK OF MAY 3RD THROUGH MAY 9TH, 2026 AS THE 57TH ANNUAL PROFESSIONAL MUNICIPAL CLERKS WEEK AND FURTHER EXTEND APPRECIATION TO OUR PROFESSIONAL MUNICIPAL CLERK, PAT RAMOS, TO ALL THE PROFESSIONAL MUNICIPAL CLERKS FOR THEIR VITAL SERVICES THEY PERFORM AND THEIR EXEMPLARY DEDICATION TO THE COMMUNITIES THAT THEY REPRESENT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. IT'S MY HONOR TO ACCEPT THIS PROCLAMATION TODAY ON BEHALF OF ALL MUNICIPAL CLERKS AND OUR STAFF, OF COURSE, WHO ALSO WORK BEHIND THE SCENES, MAINTAINING ACCURATE RECORDS, ENSURING TRANSPARENCY, SUPPORTING ELECTED OFFICIALS, SAFEGUARDING PUBLIC ACCESS TO INFORMATION, AND HELPING UPHOLD THE INTEGRITY OF THE MUNICIPAL PROCESS. IF I WERE TO DESCRIBE MUNICIPAL CLERKS IN JUST A FEW WORDS, I WOULD CALL US ENDURANCE PROFESSIONALS, AND I HAVE A PHOTO THAT I WANTED TO PUT UP. I'M NOT SURE IF YOU THINK IT'S ON THE HOME. DO YOU WANT TO PULL IT UP? MAYBE I'LL PULL IT UP OVER THERE LOOKING. 
          WELL, WHEN YOU'LL SEE THE PHOTO I PUT UP ON THE PHOTO. YOUR FIVE CITY CLERKS OVER A PERIOD OF 142 WITH 142 YEARS OF SERVICE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY LONGER THAN THE YEARS THE CITY WAS INCORPORATED. ONE OF THOSE CITY CLERKS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. UNFORTUNATELY, ONE OF THOSE CITY CLERKS WAS ONLY ABLE TO SERVE ONE YEAR. SO IT WAS REALLY THE FOUR OF US THAT PULLED UP 141 YEARS OF SERVICE. COMPARATIVELY, OUR CURRENT TEAM OF JESSICA, JESSICA, CARMEN, ELLIE, DAVE AND STEPHANIE BRINGS MORE THAN 128 YEARS OF COMBINED EXPERIENCE, HISTORICAL KNOWLEDGE, AND SERVICE TO THE. TO THIS CITY, THE DEPTH IS ESSENTIAL TO PRESERVING THE CONTINUITY AND SAFEGUARDING THE CITY'S OFFICIAL RECORDS, AND OCCASIONALLY REMEMBERING EXACTLY WHERE SOMETHING MIGHT BE FILED WHEN EVERYONE ELSE IS STILL LOOKING. THESE REMARKABLE NUMBERS REFLECT A LEVEL OF LONG TERM DEDICATION, INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE, AND PASSION THAT IS RARE IN ANY ORGANIZATION. AND I WANT TO GO BACK TO THE SLIDE FOR JUST A SECOND. YOU'LL SEE IN THE SLIDE A FUN PHOTO FROM THE ARCHIVES SHOWING UNIFORMS WORN IN CITY HALL BY CITY CLERK JANET CASON. AND THAT'S JUST A REMINDER THAT WHILE TIMES CHANGE, THE COMMITMENT TO PUBLIC SERVICE NEVER GOES OUT OF STYLE. EVEN IF SOME OF THE OUTFITS DO SO. IN MANY WAYS, CLERKS HAVE BEEN KEEPING THINGS ORGANIZED AND ACCOUNTABLE FOR MORE THAN 2000 YEARS SINCE THE ROLE OF THE CLERK GOES BACK TO ANCIENT GREECE, AND LONG BEFORE EMAILS, DATABASES AND REPLY ALL. 
          SO SOMEHOW WE ARE STILL THE ONES THAT PEOPLE CALL WHEN THEY CAN'T FIND ANYTHING. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH AGAIN. THANK YOU. 
          [4.C) Proclamation for Public Service Recognition Week.]
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OUR NEXT PROCLAMATION IS FOR MUNICIPAL. I MEAN, FOR THE PUBLIC SERVICE RECOGNITION WEEK, IF I COULD HAVE CHARLOTTE LOWELL, LORI MCCULLERS, AMY FOSTER, RUSSELL THOMAS, ASHLEY SANDVIK, KAREN NICO AND YOLI GOMEZ. GOOD MORNING, GOOD MORNING. SO IT'S MY HONOR TO PRESENT THIS PROCLAMATION. WHEREAS PUBLIC SERVICE IS THE FOUNDATION OF STRONG, VIBRANT AND RESPONSIVE COMMUNITY AND DEDICATED INDIVIDUALS WHO SERVE THE LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL LEVELS OF GOVERNMENT, AS WELL AS THOSE IN PUBLIC SAFETY, EDUCATION, PUBLIC HEALTH AND OTHER SERVICE ORIENTED ROLES, WORK EACH DAY TO ENHANCE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR RESIDENTS AND VISITORS. WHEREAS, THESE PROFESSIONALS ACROSS ALL DEPARTMENTS, AGENCIES AND DISCIPLINES DEMONSTRATE INTEGRITY, COMPASSION AND COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE IN DELIVERING ESSENTIAL SERVICES THAT KEEP OUR COMMUNITIES SAFE, HEALTHY AND THRIVING. WHEREAS, THE PUBLIC SERVICE RECOGNITION WEEK PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE AND THANK THOSE WHO CHOOSE A CAREER IN SERVICE TO OTHERS, OFTEN WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES AND PROFESSIONALISM, RESILIENCE AND PRIDE. WHEREAS, THE CITY OF NAPLES IS STRENGTHENED BY THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF PUBLIC SERVANTS IN ALL FORMS OF GOVERNMENT AND PUBLIC SERVICE, WHOSE EFFORTS REFLECT A DEEP DEDICATION TO THE WELL-BEING OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THE VALUES WE SHARE. NOW. THEREFORE, I, TERESA HEITMAN, THE MAYOR OF THE CITY OF NAPLES, FLORIDA, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM MAY 3RD THROUGH MAY 9TH AS PUBLIC SERVICE RECOGNITION WEEK AND IN THE CITY OF NAPLES, AND ENCOURAGE ALL RESIDENTS TO JOIN IN EXPRESSING GRATITUDE OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR NATION AND HONOR THEIR DEDICATION, I THANK YOU. YOU ARE BEHIND THE SCENES. IN FACT, THIS WEEK SO FAR, YOU'VE HAD COFFEE IN THE BY RIGHT HERE AT THE COURTYARD. YESTERDAY WAS TACO TUESDAY AND CELEBRATED OUR PUBLIC SERVANTS AT BAKER PARK. TODAY IS WELLNESS WALK AT BAKER PARK. THURSDAY IS MADDIE'S SWEET LEMONADE AT BAKER PARK FOR ALL OF OUR PUBLIC SERVANTS, AND FRIDAY IS RITA'S ICE CREAM AND FROZEN CUSTARD AT BAKER PARK. AND IT'S ALL TO HONOR THOSE WHO SERVE OUR CITY AND MAKE IT AS BEAUTIFUL AND WONDERFUL TO LIVE IN. SO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO. FOR MUSIC. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. CHARLOTTE LOWELL, HUMAN RESOURCES DIRECTOR. ON BEHALF OF THE HUMAN RESOURCES DEPARTMENT AND ALL OF OUR CITY EMPLOYEES, I'M TRULY HONORED TO ACCEPT THIS PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING PUBLIC SERVICE RECOGNITION WEEK. WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR THIS ACKNOWLEDGMENT OF ALL PUBLIC SERVANTS WHO DEDICATE THEMSELVES EACH DAY TO SUPPORTING OUR AMAZING CITY AND ITS PEOPLE. HUMAN RESOURCES OFTEN WORKS BEHIND THE SCENES, BUT OUR MISSION IS DEEPLY ROOTED IN SERVICE, SUPPORTING THE EMPLOYEES WHO KEEP OUR CITY RUNNING, FROM RECRUITMENT AND DEVELOPMENT TO WELLNESS AND ENGAGEMENT. WHEN OUR WORKFORCE THRIVES, OUR COMMUNITY THRIVES. THIS RECOGNITION REFLECTS THE COMMITMENT, PROFESSIONALISM AND HEART OUR EMPLOYEES BRING TO PUBLIC SERVICE EVERY DAY. I AM ESPECIALLY PROUD TO STAND ALONGSIDE SUCH DEDICATED INDIVIDUALS FROM MY HR TEAM, WHO ORGANIZED THIS SPECIAL, FUN FILLED WEEK IN JUST TWO WEEKS. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO THANK OUR CITY MANAGER, GARY YOUNG, FOR HIS THOUGHTFUL, SUPPORTIVE, AND DEDICATED LEADERSHIP. THIS WEEK WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE WITHOUT YOUR SUPPORT. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF COUNCIL FOR THIS MEANINGFUL HONOR. WE REMAIN COMMITTED TO SERVING THE CITY OF NAPLES WITH INTEGRITY, RESPECT AND PROFESSIONALISM. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. GOOD JOB. 
          [4.D) Proclamation for Jewish American Heritage Month.]
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IF I COULD HAVE THE DIRECTOR OF THE JEWISH FEDERATION OF GREATER NAPLES, ALAN, COME FORWARD, PLEASE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. SO IT'S MY HONOR. WHEREAS JEWISH AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH WAS FEDERALLY RECOGNIZED IN 2006. AND WHEREAS JEWISH CITIZENS OF THE CITY OF NAPLES HAVE LONG BEEN AN INTEGRAL PART OF OUR COMMUNITY, CONTRIBUTING SIGNIFICANTLY TO THE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE COUNTRY IN FIELDS RANGING FROM HEALTH CARE, BUSINESS AND LAW, AGRICULTURE, EDUCATION, AND CIVIC AND POLITICAL LEADERSHIP. WHEREAS, JEWISH AMERICANS HAVE MADE PROFOUND CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE CULTURE, HISTORY, THE ECONOMY AND SOCIETY OF THE UNITED STATES ENRICHING OUR NATION THROUGH THEIR RESILIENCE, VALUES, AND DIVERSE TRADITIONS. AND WHEREAS, JEWISH AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH IS AN ANNUAL CELEBRATION OF THE HISTORY AND CONTRIBUTION OF JEWISH AMERICANS, PROVIDING AN OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE THE ENDURING LEGACY OF JEWISH CULTURE AND FAITH IN THE UNITED STATES. WHEREAS, JEWISH AMERICANS HAVE CONTRIBUTED TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF VARIOUS SECTORS OF AMERICAN SOCIETY, INCLUDING ARTS, BUSINESS, GOVERNMENT, EDUCATION, SOCIAL JUSTICE, PUBLIC SERVICE, AND ADVANCING THE VALUES OF FREEDOM, EQUALITY AND OPPORTUNITY. WHEREAS, THE JEWISH COMMUNITY HAS FACED HISTORICAL STRUGGLES, INCLUDING DISCRIMINATION AND PERSECUTION, BUT HAS CONTINUOUSLY DEMONSTRATED RESILIENCY, COMPASSION, UNWAVERING COMMITMENT, JUSTICE AND PEACE. AND WHEREAS, THE JEWISH AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH PROVIDES AN OPPORTUNITY TO REFLECT ON THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS AND CONTRIBUTIONS OF THE JEWISH AMERICANS AND PROMOTES UNDERSTANDING, ACCEPTANCE, AND RESPECT FOR ALL CULTURES AND RELIGIONS. AND WHEREAS, FOR FOUR DECADES, EVERY U.S. PRESIDENT HAS DECLARED A PERIOD TO CELEBRATE THE CONTRIBUTIONS OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY TO AMERICAN HISTORY, HERITAGE, AND CULTURE SINCE 2006, THIS MONTH OF MAY HAS BEEN RECOGNIZED AS JEWISH AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH AND IS PURSUANT TO A NON BIPARTISAN RESOLUTION OF CONGRESS. NOW, THEREFORE, I, TERESA HEITMANN, THE MAYOR, CITY OF NAPLES, FLORIDA, DO RECOGNIZE THE MONTH OF MAY 2026 AS JEWISH AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH AND ENCOURAGE ALL NEAPOLITANS TO CELEBRATE JEWISH AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH THROUGH EDUCATION, REFLECTION, PROMOTION OF CULTURAL UNDERSTANDING AND RECOGNITION OF A PROFOUND AND LASTING CONTRIBUTION OF THE JEWISH AMERICANS TO OUR COUNTRY, STATE AND NATION. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS NAOMI AND I'M THE PRESIDENT AND CEO OF THE JEWISH FEDERATION OF GREATER NAPLES. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL, ON BEHALF OF THE JEWISH FEDERATION AND OUR JEWISH COMMUNITY RELATIONS COUNCIL. AND AS THE VOICE OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY OF GREATER NAPLES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SINCERELY AND THANK YOU FROM OUR COLLECTIVE HEARTS. THIS PROCLAMATION RECOGNIZING JEWISH AMERICAN HERITAGE MONTH IS MORE THAN A SYMBOLIC. IT IS A STATEMENT OF VALUES. IN A WORLD WHERE ANTI-SEMITISM IS AT ITS HIGHEST LEVEL IN MODERN HISTORY, YOUR ACTION TODAY SENDS A CLEAR AND POWERFUL MESSAGE THAT IN THE CITY OF NAPLES, EVERY RESIDENT IS SEEN, EVERY COMMUNITY IS PROTECTED, AND NO ONE STANDS ALONE BECAUSE OF LEADERS LIKE YOU, LEADERS WHO CARE DEEPLY ABOUT THE SAFETY, SECURITY AND DIGNITY OF ALL OUR RESIDENTS. THE JEWISH COMMUNITY HERE DOESN'T FEEL SIMPLY TOLERATED. WE FEEL RECOGNIZED, WE FEEL SUPPORTED, AND WE FEEL GENUINELY SAFE. AND THAT SENSE OF SAFETY DOESN'T HAPPEN BY ACCIDENT. WE ALSO WANT TO EXTEND OUR DEEP GRATITUDE TO CHIEF DOMINGUEZ AND THE DEDICATED MEN AND WOMEN OF THE NAPLES POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHO SHOW UP EVERY SINGLE DAY TO PROTECT THIS COMMUNITY FROM THOSE WHO WOULD SEEK TO DISRUPT THE PEACE THAT WE ALL HOLD SO DEAR. THEIR COMMITMENT TO EVERY RESIDENT OF NAPLES, REGARDLESS OF BACKGROUND OR BELIEF, REFLECTS THE VERY BEST OF WHAT IT MEANS TO SERVE. AND WE DO NOT TAKE THAT FOR GRANTED. SO IN A MONTH THAT EXISTS SPECIFICALLY TO HONOR THE CONTRIBUTIONS, GIFTS, AND INVESTMENTS THAT JEWISH AMERICANS HAVE MADE TO THE RICH AND ENDURING STATE STORY OF THIS NATION. AND RIGHT HERE IN OUR OWN BACKYARD. WE STAND BEFORE YOU TODAY WITH ENORMOUS PRIDE, PROUD OF OUR HISTORY, PROUD OF OUR COMMUNITY, AND PROUD TO BE PART OF THE NAPLES FAMILY. WE ARE EXTREMELY 
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THANKFUL TO CALL NAPLES OUR HOME, AND WE ARE INCREDIBLY GRATEFUL FOR YOUR DECISION TO HONOR THIS SPECIAL MONTH ON OUR BEHALF. THANK YOU. 
          SIR. 
          THANKS, GUYS. APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. 
          APPRECIATE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. NOW IT'S TIME TO HAVE OUR COMMISSIONER, DAN 
          [4.E) Update from Chairman, District 4 County Commissioner, Mr. Daniel Kowal.
 
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KOWAL COME FORWARD. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY AND HONORING YOUR COMMITMENT TO UPDATE THE CITY OF NAPLES FOR ALL YOUR WORK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. I HAVE A GRAPHIC. I BROUGHT A LITTLE VISUAL AID WITH ME TODAY. HOPEFULLY IT'S IN THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN PULL IT UP. IT'S KIND OF A MAP, BUT I'LL JUST FIRST START. IS THERE A WAY I CAN USE A POINTER ON HERE? YOU KNOW? OKAY, SO IT'S NOT REALLY FITTING THE WHOLE SCREEN. IT MIGHT TAKE A MINUTE. OKAY. WE'LL SEE IF THAT UPLOADS, BUT WELL GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS DANIEL KOWAL. I'M KIND OF COUNTY COMMISSIONER, DISTRICT FOUR. I KIND OF BROUGHT THIS VISUAL AID THIS MORNING JUST TO KIND OF GIVE EVERYBODY AN IDEA HOW THE CITY IS, IS BASICALLY THE FOOTPRINT OF THE CITY THAT FALLS WITHIN DISTRICT FOUR, WHICH IS NOT COMING UP ON THE MONITOR FOR WHATEVER REASON. THERE IT IS. ALL RIGHT. MAYBE I JUST NEEDED TO TOUCH IT. SO JUST I KNOW I HAD SOME QUESTIONS. I TYPICALLY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AHEAD OF TIME FROM THE BOARD. AND, YOU KNOW, I'LL TRY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE THAT I HAD OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT. AND BUT I BROUGHT THIS JUST TO GIVE EVERYBODY AN IDEA. SO YOU SEE, THE BLUE OUTLINE IS BASICALLY DISTRICT FOUR. SO THAT'S THE DISTRICT THAT I REPRESENT IN, IN THE ON THIS MAP. SO THE BLUE TOP OUTLINE UP HERE IS BASICALLY PINE RIDGE ROAD. SO IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA THAT'S I-75, THE UPPER RIGHT HAND CORNER ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE WATER FRONT. SO EVERYTHING IN THE GRAY IS THE INCORPORATED CITY OF NAPLES. SO IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA. THE WESTERN BORDER OF MY DISTRICT IS THE CITY OF NAPLES, AND YOU SEE A FEW DIFFERENT AREAS THAT WERE ANNEXED. AT SOME POINT LATER ON IN TIME, IT WAS ADDED TO THE CITIES FOOTPRINT, LIKE THE GREAT ESTUARY AREA, GRAY OAKS, SOME AREAS IN HERE, THE AREAS AROUND BEAR PAW RIVER REACH THE COMMERCIAL AREA, RIVER REACH, AND THEN THE AIRPORT ITSELF. SO THEY KIND OF STICK OUT. THEY JET OUT FROM THE BORDER WHERE THE CITY ORIGINALLY STARTED. 
          BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT DEVELOPMENT, AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING, DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THE COUNTY IS DOING, YOU KNOW, MOVING FORWARD. SO I FIGURED THIS WAS THE EASIEST WAY. I CAN KIND OF RELATE HOW OUR DISTRICT, WHICH THE CITY LIES IN DISTRICT FOUR. SO IF YOU SEE HERE, ALL THIS RED. SO THIS IS BASICALLY DAVIS BOULEVARD FROM AIRPORT ROAD GOING TOWARDS THE CITY, THE RED IN THIS CORNER DOWN HERE, THE BOTTOM OF AIRPORT ROAD GOING TOWARDS THE CITY. THOSE ARE ALL DESIGNATED COMMERCIAL SEE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALREADY DESIGNATED AS COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. AND IF YOU GUYS KNOW THAT THIS THIS STATE ABOUT ALMOST GOING ON THREE YEARS AGO NOW, I DID THE LIVE LOCAL ACT. NOW, I KNOW OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS I REVISITED IT, CHANGED THE LANGUAGE A FEW TIMES. WE HAD IT IN, IN OUR LOCAL ORDINANCE, THE PUDS WERE NOT GOING TO BE INCLUDED. BUT THEN I THINK LAST YEAR WHEN THEY REVISITED THE STATE ADDED PUDS NOW CAN BE PART OF THE LIVE LOCAL. SO AS OF RIGHT NOW. SO IN REALITY, ANY ONE OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT ARE COMMERCIAL. NOW, IF ANYBODY EVER WANTED TO SELL THAT, THEY COULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE LIVE LOCAL ACT THAT THE STATE IMPLEMENTED ON THE COUNTIES IN THE STATE OF 
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FLORIDA. SO THAT BEING SAID, OUR OUR MAX CAPACITY OR DENSITY, AS IT IS RIGHT NOW IN THE COUNTY, IS 25 UNITS PER ACRE. SO THAT MEANS IF THEY WOULD TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE LIVE LOCAL, AND IF THEY HAD A FULL ACRE OF PROPERTY, THEY COULD SQUEEZE 25 UNITS ON ONE ACRE. 
          SO IT'S BASICALLY THE MATH. SO THAT'S YOUR YOUR LITMUS TEST ON THE MAXIMUM. AND THEN THEY WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH CERTAIN PARKING RESTRICTIONS, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT OF COURSE, IF YOU KNOW, IN THE IN THE STATUTES, IF THERE'S PUBLIC TRANSIT WITHIN A QUARTER MILE OR WHATEVER THAT DISTANCE IS, THEY GET A, THEY GET A BONUS FOR PARKING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO HAVE AS MANY SPACES. THE TYPICALLY YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AS LONG AS THEY HAVE ACCESS TO PUBLIC TRANSIT. SO. SO JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THIS CORRIDOR, PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING IN RED, IF IT EVER WAS TO FLIP HANDS, IT WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR A LIVE LOCAL PROJECT. JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA. NOW, IS THAT HAPPENING? WELL NOT REALLY, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD ONE REALLY YET. 
          ACTUALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT UP TO DATE SO FAR IN THESE AREAS THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THE CITY. SO THE OTHER THING IS IF YOU KNOW THIS PARTICULAR AREA, I'M JUST GOING TO KIND OF SHOW YOU THIS IS BAYSHORE, THIS AREA HERE. SO BAYSHORE, THIS PART OF AIRPORT ALL THE WAY TO BROOKSIDE, TO THE CITY BORDER, WHERE LIKE THE OLIVE GARDEN AND ALL THAT SITS OVER HERE, BACK DOWN AROUND TO THE OTHER SIDE OF BAYSHORE HERE. THAT'S ALL FALLS WITHIN THE CRA. THAT'S THE CRA REDEVELOPMENT BAYSHORE REDEVELOPMENT TRIANGLE AREA. SO THE CRA HAS AN ADDITIONAL OVERLAY THAT THE PEOPLE IN THAT AREA DECIDED TO CREATE TAX THEIRSELF, A FEW MORE PENNIES TO CREATE SOMETHING, TO CREATE SOME REDEVELOPMENT, TO TAKE SOME OF THE OLDER BLIGHTED PROPERTIES, OLDER BLIGHTED COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, AND REDEVELOP THEM. SO IN REALITY, WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT IN MY DISTRICT, THE BORDERS OF THE CITY OF NAPLES, WE DO HAVE REDEVELOPMENT, SO THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING THAT EXISTS THERE. AT ONE POINT, EITHER IT WAS A SHOPPING CENTER OR A STORE OR WHATEVER IT MAY HAVE BEEN OR NOT BEEN, BUT THEY ALREADY HAD SOME SORT OF TRAFFIC COUNT, SOME SORT OF REGULAR USE. SO IN REALITY, REDEVELOPMENT IS NOT AS BIG AS AN IMPACT AS DEVELOPMENT. LIKE IF YOU TAKE A BARE PIECE OF PROPERTY OUT EAST, GOING LIKE DISTRICT ONE PAST NAPLES MANOR, WHERE YOU TAKE A LARGE FARM, AND THEN YOU PUT 3000 HOMES ON IT, THAT CREATES AN IMPACT BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE HAVING SOMETHING THAT NEVER EXISTED BEFORE AS NEW DEVELOPMENT. SO WE'RE KIND OF SAFE IN DISTRICT FOUR AND THE EASTERN BORDER OF THE CITY. THERE'S NOT TOO MUCH NEW DEVELOPMENT THAT EVEN COULD BE HAPPENING BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY BEAR FOOTPRINTS LIKE THAT. MOST THINGS ARE OCCUPIED ALREADY. NOW, THERE'S SOME AREAS I KNOW AS YOU COME TOWARDS THE CITY THAT YOU GUYS HAVE NOW THAT ARE CLEARED OUT, THE BUILDINGS ON THE LEFT FOR THE OLD. GEORGIA THE DRAGON, THE RESTAURANT AND THE THE OLD WAS IT THE FWC, THE FLORIDA GULF COAST BUILDING AND SOME AREAS ALL GOT UNDER DESTRUCTION OR WAS TAKEN OUT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING IN THERE, I DON'T KNOW. YOU GUYS PROBABLY KNOW BETTER THAN ME, BUT I JUST FIGURED THAT'S A BARE SPOT THAT WOULD BE REDEVELOPED EVENTUALLY. THAT WOULD BE ON OUR OUR WESTERN BORDER. SO I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE A QUICK OVERLAY. SO THE NORTHERN PORTION OF MY DISTRICT, DISTRICT FOUR IN THIS AREA HERE, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF QUESTION. I KNOW ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IN HERE WAS ABOUT THE PROJECT THAT SEAGATE, WHICH IF YOU GUYS KNOW THIS IS THIS IS SEAGATE THAT COMES FROM WHERE IT TURNS INTO PINE RIDGE, TURNS INTO SEAGATE. THAT GOES ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE PARK. SO THE HOTEL SITS RIGHT UP IN THIS AREA HERE IN THE COUNTY, WHICH IS IN DISTRICT TWO, OUTSIDE OF DISTRICT FOUR. BUT I KNOW A LOT OF THE COMMUNITY HERE HAS BEEN I'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH THEM, TALK TO THEM. THE CONDO ASSOCIATIONS FOR THESE COMMUNITIES THAT RIGHT ON THE NORTHERN BORDER AND THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THE POSSIBLE AQUATIC CENTER AMENITY OR WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING TO CALL IT AT THE AT THE NAPLES GRAND. SO THE BEST I CAN TELL YOU IS, IS AS OF RIGHT NOW, WE'VE RECEIVED THREE GROUPS HAVE FILED APPEALS, THE APPEALS HAVE CAME IN, AND THEY'VE BEEN RECOGNIZED BY THE COUNTY DEVELOPMENT BOARD. THEY'VE BEEN FILED. THEY'VE BEEN RECOGNIZED, I BELIEVE, BY MID MAY, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY WILL CERTIFY THE LAWSUITS BECAUSE PRIOR TO THAT, THE DEVELOPER WAS TELLING THE CITIZENS THAT THEY WERE WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE RIGHT TO CONSTRUCT THE THE POOL AREA AS AN AMENITY FOR THE HOTEL, AS LONG AS THEY STAY WITHIN THE PUD THAT'S ALREADY SET FOR THAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT TYPE OF BUSINESS, WHICH IS A HOTEL HAVING AMENITIES FOR THE HOTEL GUESTS, THE FOOT. THEY'RE NOT BUYING PROPERTY, THEY ONLY OWN THE FOOTPRINT ALREADY. IT'S ALREADY 
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A RECREATIONAL ZONE PROPERTY. THEY HAVE TENNIS COURTS THERE AND SOME OTHER RECREATIONAL TYPE FACILITIES ON THE PROPERTY. SO I GUESS THEIR PLAN IS TO EVENTUALLY TURN IT INTO SOME SORT OF POOL WITH A LAZY RIVER AND SOME OTHER THINGS. SO INITIALLY WHEN I SAW THE ORIGINAL PLANS, I SAW PLANS OF 100 FOOT SLIDES AND ALL THIS STUFF, AND I, I ASSUMED AUTOMATICALLY THAT WAS COMING TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE TO REQUEST A VARIANCE FOR THOSE TYPE OF THINGS, BECAUSE THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDARY OF WHAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BUILD IN HEIGHT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. THERE WAS A CONVERSATION I HEARD THAT THEY WERE GOING TO INVITE CITIZENS TO BUY DAY PASSES AND USE IT. AND THEN TO ME, THAT WOULD BECOME AN AMUSEMENT PARK, NOT A HOTEL ANYMORE. SO WHAT KIND OF CHANGED THE DEMOGRAPHIC OF WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO? SUPPOSEDLY THEY CAME BACK TO THE CITY OR TO THE COUNTY PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT, MET WITH MR. BOZZI AND OUR PEOPLE IN OUR DEPARTMENT, THE COUNTY MANAGER, AND THEY THEY SUBMITTED A PLAN. THEY'RE SAYING THAT IT WASN'T GOING TO INCLUDE ALL THOSE THINGS, BUT THERE WAS STILL SOME QUESTIONS THAT WERE OUT THERE. AND WHEN THEY WERE WHEN THE PEOPLE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT IT CAME TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, WE KIND OF KNEW IN THE BACKGROUND THERE WAS GOING TO BE THE SUITS FILED. AND WHEN THAT HAPPENED, THAT'S GOING TO NOW GENERATE AN ACTUAL COMMISSION MEETING AND A HEARING ON THE PROJECT ITSELF. SO IF EVERYTHING PANS OUT, THE ATTORNEY, EVERYTHING PANS OUT WITH THE LAWSUITS AND EVERYTHING'S FILED PROPERLY AS EARLY AS JULY, WE COULD POSSIBLY HAVE SOMETHING BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, BUT TYPICALLY WE DON'T LIKE TO HEAR ANYTHING THAT'S CONTROVERSIAL WHERE IN THROUGH THE TWO SUMMER MONTHS, LIKE JULY AND AUGUST, BECAUSE JUST THE REASON, BECAUSE STUDENTS ARE OUT OF SCHOOL, PEOPLE ARE ON VACATION. A LOT OF OUR CITIZENS ARE HERE PART TIME THAT DO HAVE HOMES IN THOSE AREAS. THEY'RE NOT HERE TO PARTICIPATE. SO I'M SINCE I'M THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD, I DO HAVE SOME ON WHERE DO WE PUT THE AGENDA ITEMS? SO I'M MORE I FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE MOVING IT MORE TOWARDS SEPTEMBER OR MAYBE IN OCTOBER MEETING. SO JUST THAT WAY PEOPLE HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO RESPOND. AND IF THEY WANT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE HEARING ITSELF. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT WITH THAT. THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT MORE MOVEMENT OTHER THAN THAT, THAT THE THAT THE LAWSUITS WERE FILED. WE WILL BE HEARING, HEARING THAT AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE. SO WE'LL GO THROUGH IT WITH A FINE TOOTH COMB. AND, AND IT'S JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, YOU YOU GUYS KNOW, IF SOMETHING'S STATUTORILY ALLOWED TO BE DONE, IT'S STATUTORILY ALLOWED TO BE DONE. I MEAN, YOU CAN'T PUT YOURSELF IN A SITUATION WHERE YOU CREATE A LAWSUIT FOR THIS, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY TO WHERE WE HAVE TO SPEND A CITIZENS MONEY TO DEFEND OURSELVES AND SOMETHING WE DID BLATANTLY WRONG. SO THAT'LL BE THE TIME. WE'LL HEAR THAT IN THE HEARING. AND THEN WE'LL WE'LL TAKE IT ON FROM THERE. SO I JUST TOLD THE PEOPLE IN A MEETING LAST NIGHT, I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMISSIONER AT THE LIBRARY DOWN ON CENTRAL AVE, AND I SPOKE WITH A FEW CONSTITUENTS WHO WERE CONCERNED ABOUT IT, AND THEY UNDERSTAND. SO THAT WAS ONE THING. I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A VISUAL WHERE THAT WOULD BE AND HOW ADJACENT IT IS TO THE ACTUAL CITY BORDER ON THE NORTH. AND OUR CITIZENS THAT I REPRESENT. LIKE I SAID, OTHER THAN SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THERE WAS ONE APPLICATION THAT WENT OUT. IT WAS FOR A WORKFORCE HOUSING PROJECT THAT I DON'T THINK THEY CAME TO THE COUNTY. IT WAS DOWN HERE NEAR THE. IT'S IN THIS GRAY AREA. ACTUALLY, IT'S NOT IN THE GRAY AREA BECAUSE THE THE TRIANGLE PIECE OF THE TRIANGLE IS IN THE COUNTY. AND THEN FOR SOME REASON, THE VERY TIP OF THE TRIANGLE IS IN THE CITY JURISDICTION. IT'S OFF OF THE PARKWAY, GOLDEN GATE PARKWAY, RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET TO GOODLETTE IN THIS RED SEA, THIS RED AREA HERE. SO THAT'S THE ZONED COMMERCIAL. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO DO THE LIVE LOCAL. THEY WERE GOING TO THE STATE FOR SOME GRANTS THROUGH THE LIVE LOCAL PROGRAM. THEY HAD TO GET JUST A LETTER OF INTENT FROM THE COUNTY. BUT THE AS FAR AS I KNOW, I DON'T THINK THEY WERE PICKED TO GET THE GRANTS. SO I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING MORE ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT. I THINK. I THINK I COACH AT ONE POINT YOU CAME AND TALKED ABOUT IT. WE TALKED ABOUT IT. AS OF RIGHT NOW, I DON'T I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD. SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE NOW IT'S AT THE HANDS OF THE STATE. IF THEY GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE ANOTHER BITE AT THE APPLE NEXT YEAR OR NOT, BECAUSE THAT'S LIKE A LOT OF LOTTERY SYSTEM FOR TO GET THOSE GRANTS. AND I THINK THEY WERE, THEY DESPERATELY NEEDED IT TO MAKE THE PROJECT EVEN COME OFF THE GROUND. SO OTHER THAN THAT, WITHIN DISTRICT FOUR, THERE'S NO REAL OTHER PROJECTS THAT I KNOW THAT ARE POPPING UP THAT ARE WILL HAVE ANY CONTINGENCY OF WORKFORCE HOUSING BUILT INTO THEM. THERE'S FURTHER ONES OUT EAST, OF COURSE, WITH THE MCDOWELL GROUP OFF OF COLLIER BOULEVARD GOING TOWARDS MARCO ISLAND, THAT'S 160 UNITS OF RENT RESTRICTED. I THINK IT'S 60 TO 80 TO 100 AMI AVERAGE INCOME UNITS, THE ONES THAT ARE OUT ON THE GOLF COURSE, THE BIG PROJECT THAT'S PARTNERED WITH THE COUNTY WITH THE OLD GOLDEN GATE GOLF COURSE PROJECT. IT IT'S MOVING RIGHT ALONG. 
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ACTUALLY, I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE 1 OR 2 BUILDINGS READY TO START RENTING BY JULY. 
          THAT'S GOING TO BE ALMOST 400 UNITS, I THINK WHEN IT'S COMPLETELY DONE. SAME TYPE OF TYPE OF CONCEPT. THEY HAVE ONE TWO BEDROOM, THREE BEDROOM UNITS OR ONE AND TWO BEDROOM UNITS SET AT A CERTAIN AM I, I THINK THEY'RE AROUND 80 TO 120 IN SOME IN THE 60. SO IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA WHEN WE HAD THE A COMMITTEE THAT THE LAST SEASON WHEN I, I GOT OFF THE COMMITTEE BECAUSE IT BECAME CHAIRMAN, THEY. THEY DID A NEW STUDY AND THEY KNEW THE TARGET WAS BETWEEN THE 60 AND 80 WAS THE PRICE POINT FOR THE ARMY FOR THE AVERAGE INCOME ESTIMATE WAS A 60 PERCENTILE TO THE 80 PERCENTILE WAS THE WAS THE MISSING PIECE. SO WHEN THEY DID THEIR BONUS TO DEVELOPMENT. SO IF YOU WERE IF YOU WERE PUTTING MORE OF THOSE UNITS AT THAT PRICE POINT, YOU GOT A BONUS FOR UNIT PER PER ACRE. BUT THAT WAS KIND OF LIKE THERE'S A SLIDING SCALE THOUGH, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE FOOTPRINT, THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE PARKING AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SLIDING SCALE, TO INCREASE THE DENSITY. THERE WAS A BIG PROJECT. I KNOW SOME PEOPLE WAS TALKING ABOUT IT. 
          BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THE REPRESENTATIVE OF THE AUDUBON SOCIETY ALMOST FELL OUT OF MY CHARITY THE OTHER DAY, TUESDAY, AND HE HE WAS SAID IT WAS A GOOD PROJECT AND HE LIKED WHAT WE WERE DOING WITH THE PROJECT WAS THE CORKSCREW VILLAGE. AND IF PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS LIKE BASICALLY ON THE LEE COUNTY BORDER JUST WEST OF HENDRY COUNTY, IT IS WAY FAR NORTHEAST IN THE COUNTY. IT'S PROBABLY AS FAR NORTH AS YOU CAN GO PAST EVEN IMMOKALEE UP THERE. THE ALICO FAMILY OR, YOU KNOW, THE COMPANY OF ALICO FAMILY. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THEM, THEY DO A LOT OF PHILANTHROPIC THINGS. THEY ACTUALLY DONATED ALL THE PROPERTY TO FLORIDA GULF COAST UNIVERSITY. PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR DONATIONS TO THE COMMUNITY. THEY DID. WHICH PART? THIS PROJECT, WHICH I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE, IS WHAT IT'S DOING IS WE KNOW THAT OUR PRIDE OF PANTHERS THAT LIVE OCCUPYING THE SOUTHWEST REGION ARE THE MAJORITY OF THEM LIVE IN COLLIER COUNTY, OUT EAST IN OUR EASTERN PROPERTIES. AND THEY KNOW THE BIOLOGISTS, THE FWC, THE FEDERAL WILDLIFE. THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE NOT HAVING A STRONG BREEDING BECAUSE THEY'RE KIND OF ISOLATED AND THEY'RE BREEDING AMONGST THEMSELVES. SO A LOT OF THE BLOODLINE IS NOT STRONG, SO THAT THE CUBS ARE NOT SURVIVING EARLY ON. SO WHAT THIS DOES IS ALICO SET ASIDE 12 OR 1500 ACRES, ALMOST THREE MILES WIDE, THAT THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS THE PATH THAT THE PANTHERS CAN CAN TRAVERSE, AND THEN THEY'LL BE ABLE TO MEET WITH THE PRIDE THAT SITS IN CENTRAL FLORIDA AND ACTUALLY GET SOME INTEREST. SO THAT WAS PART OF THE PROJECT AS THEY DONATED THIS PROPERTY 3 TO 1 ACRES. SO WHATEVER ONE ACRE THEY BUILT ON, ON THEIR OLD ORANGE GROVE THAT THEY OWNED, THREE ACRES WILL BE PUT IN PRESERVATION TO CREATE THIS PANTHER PATHWAY BETWEEN THE MIDDLE OF CENTRAL FLORIDA TO SOUTHWEST FLORIDA. AND THEY FEEL THAT BIOLOGISTS AND A LOT OF PEOPLE CAME OUT AND ACTUALLY WAS IN SUPPORT OF THIS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A DEVELOPMENT. SO A LOT OF TIMES DEVELOPMENT COMES SOMETIMES THERE'S SOME BENEFITS TO IT BECAUSE THE PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO SPEND THEIR OWN MONEY TO, YOU KNOW, BENEFIT SOMETHING THAT WE KNOW IS, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO US. SO WE FELT THAT WAS A GOOD PROJECT, THAT THAT THING WILL TAKE YEARS TO COME TO FRUITION. THE, THE, THE, THEY ALREADY STARTED BUILDING THE UNDERPASSES UNDER 82 AND EVERYTHING ALREADY IS ALREADY DOING THAT AHEAD OF TIME, KNOWING THAT THE PANTHER CROSSINGS, IT'S SAFER FOR THEM TO GO UNDERGROUND THAN IT IS TO GO OVER THE ROADS, TO GO THROUGH THIS TRAVERSE THIS PATHWAY GOING NORTH. SO THAT WAS A BIG PROJECT THAT WE JUST PASSED THIS LAST TUESDAY. IT FINALLY CAME TO FRUITION. IT'S BEEN IN WORKS FOR ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS UP THERE. SO. WHAT ELSE DO I HAVE HERE? OF COURSE, THE TRIANGLE. WE ALWAYS HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE TRIANGLE, THE GATEWAY TO THE COUNTY WHEN YOU LEAVE THE CITY. U-HAUL, YOU KNOW, HAVE ALREADY GOT A LOCATION OUT EAST U-HAUL BUILDING AND THAT STRUCTURE, THAT GARAGE STRUCTURE AND THAT LAY DOWN AREA WHERE THE FUEL AREAS AND ALL THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE GONE HERE SOON. THAT WILL BE, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE ABOUT A 50 FOOT PARKING FACILITY FOR PART OF THE BUILDING. AND THEN THE OTHER PART WILL HAVE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE HUGE, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE LIKE A COUPLE LIKE 30 OR 40 HIGH END CONDOS ON ONE SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT GOES IN. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN PART OF THE FOOTPRINT. THEY'RE FINALLY COMING AROUND TO IT BECAUSE U-HAUL IS FINALLY GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE THEY CAN START MOVING TO THEIR OTHER LOCATION OUT EAST THAT THEY'VE ALREADY PURCHASED. OTHER THAN THAT, I STILL DON'T HAVE AN UPDATE FOR THE HOTEL ON THE POINT. IT'S JUST BEEN ABOUT 5 OR 6 TIMES. THEY SAID THEY GOT THEIR FUNDING. THEY GET WHAT SUFFOLK. 
          AND THEN THE 11TH HOUR THEY PULL BACK OUT. SUFFOLK SITS THERE AT THE TABLE AND DON'T 
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GET A CHECK TO START. SO DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT PARTICULAR DEVELOPER IS DOING. I WISH I HAD MORE NEWS TO SHARE WITH THAT. AS YOU GUYS CAN SEE, GW IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION AND I KNOW I'VE TALKED ABOUT THE GW IN THE PAST THAT IS, YOU KNOW, RIGHT IN THIS AREA, RIGHT HERE IN THIS COMMERCIAL AREA. THE JW IS, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS RESTRICTED. WE USED THE OVERLAY TO CRA WITH THE 56 FOOT RULE, WHICH JW WASN'T HAPPY AT FIRST. ABOUT THREE TIMES THEY TRIED TO TALK ME INTO LETTING THEM DO 150 FOOT BUILDING, BUT I WOULDN'T I WOULDN'T I DIDN'T FEEL THAT WAS RIGHT FOR THAT PARTICULAR PORTION OF 41 BECAUSE IT WOULD, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD TAKE AWAY FROM THAT SIDE AS IT RUNS OUT OF THE CITY, YOU KNOW, THROUGH BAY BAY, NAPLES BAY MARINA AND THE AREAS UP IN THERE, THE BUILDING HEIGHTS AND STUFF WOULD BE ALL CONSISTENT. 
          SO THEY DID STICK TO THE 56 OVER FLOOD. SO THEY'RE BUILDING IT NOW. YOU CAN SEE IT'S PRETTY MUCH UNDER CONSTRUCTION. A FEW HEADACHES FOR THE PEOPLE LIVE IN THE BACK THERE. WE'VE WE'VE TRIED TO ADDRESS SOME THINGS WITH SOME TRUCKS TRYING TO CUT THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE PUTTING SIGNS UP AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE SHERIFF ENFORCE SOME OF THIS STUFF. I DON'T KNOW IF CHIEF'S STILL HERE, BUT I'M BACK IN THE DAY. WHEN I WAS ON THE JOB, THEY USED TO ALWAYS WAVE TO ME AT ONE FINGER. I FIGURED IT WAS. I WAS TELLING ME I WAS NUMBER ONE, BUT I, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. I GUESS HE EXPLAINED IT TODAY. THAT DIDN'T MEAN THAT. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE RULES TO FOLLOW. AND, AND IT'S, IT'S IT'S EVEN THE CONSTRUCTION GUYS, EVEN THOUGH THEY GET THE GREEN TO WORK, YOU KNOW, THEY STILL HAVE TO STAY WITHIN THEIR, THEIR BOUNDARIES AND NOT BRINGING BIG TRUCKS AND EQUIPMENT THROUGH THE COMMUNITY. SO THAT WAS SOMETHING WE WERE TRYING TO ADDRESS. GET AHEAD OF OVER THERE. I COULD TAKE SOME QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD IF IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS, I TRY TO ANSWER THEM. IF I CAN'T GET AN ANSWER TODAY, I WILL GET BACK TO YOU. 
          SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS AS PARTNERS WITH THE COUNTY AND WITH THE CITY. AS YOU KNOW, OUR WATER RESOURCES EXTEND INTO THE COUNTY, SO WE ARE OVERDUE FOR A JOINT MEETING. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO SCHEDULING THAT WITH THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS AND THE CITY COUNCIL TO DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, THE GROWTH AND THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO HOW IS THE HOW ARE THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOCUSED IN ON THE AMOUNT OF GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENING AS IT RELATES TO TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE, ESPECIALLY AS IT THE EAST DEVELOPS AND COMES INTO THE CITY BECAUSE WE'RE AT CAPACITY RIGHT NOW OVER THE BRIDGE AND TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE IS VERY POOR. YOU KNOW, THE THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH WHEN WE'RE DEVELOPING OUT EAST IS WE'RE TRYING TO CREATE THESE ACTIVITY CENTERS ALONG WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AND WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THE ACTIVITY CENTERS. WE PROBABLY ABOUT TEN TO ABOUT A DECADE AGO OR SO OR TWO DECADES AGO, WE TOOK AREAS OUT EAST AND DESIGNATED THEM AS ACTIVITY CENTERS. AND WHAT THAT DID IS IT GAVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THINGS PRE ZONED FOR, LIKE PUBLIX BOX STORES, YOU KNOW, DOCTOR'S OFFICES, YOU KNOW, BRANCHES OF MEDICAL FACILITIES, YOU KNOW, NCH NORTH AS A WHOLE HOSPITAL NOW UP OFF COLLIER BOULEVARD AND IMMOKALEE THAT FAR NORTH. YOU KNOW, AT ONE POINT YOU DIDN'T GO PAST THE FIFTH, YOU KNOW, NINTH STREET. YOU KNOW, THAT WAS THE ONLY HOSPITAL WE HAD IN TOWN. BUT, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS ARE POPPING UP OUT THERE. AND THE WHOLE IDEA OF HAVING THE ACTIVITY CENTERS CLOSER TO WHERE THE NEW DEVELOPMENT IS, IS THE FACT THEY DON'T NEED TO DRIVE ANYWHERE ELSE BUT TO THE ACTIVITY CENTERS TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR DAILY BUSINESS. THEIR JOBS PROVIDES JOBS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE OUT EAST. AND THAT'S THE WHOLE CONCEPT BEHIND IT. IT'S LIKE WITH THE NEW COSTCO GOING OFF COLLIER BOULEVARD. THAT'S THAT WAS A PRE DESIGNATED ACTIVITY CENTER THAT HAS CERTAIN THINGS ALREADY BUILT INTO IT, INTO ITS DEVELOPMENT, ITS LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, TO HAVE THOSE TYPE OF THINGS WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO TRAVERSE ALL THE WAY WEST. LIKE BACK IN THE OLD DAYS WHEN I MOVED HERE 24 YEARS AGO, I BOUGHT A HOUSE AT 56TH AVENUE AND EVERGLADES BOULEVARD. I WANT TO BE AS FAR. I MOVED FROM WASHINGTON, D.C. I WANT TO BE FAR AWAY FROM THE CITY AS I COULD. BUT THEN I REALIZED I HAD TO PACK A COOLER EVERY ONCE A WEEK, DRIVE 30 MINUTES TO GET MY GROCERIES, YOU KNOW, ALL THE WAY DOWN PAST COLLIER BOULEVARD SOMEWHERE TO JUST FIND A GROCERY STORE, PACK IT ALL UP, MAKE SURE I GOT EVERYTHING I NEEDED BEFORE I DROVE BACK. 30 MORE MILES BACK TO MY HOUSE, WAY OUT THERE IN THE EAST, YOU KNOW, AND THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF THAT IS NOT WHAT WE WANT TO DO ANYMORE. WE WANT TO HAVE THESE VILLAGES, AND THESE ACTIVITY CENTERS ALL EXIST IN THE EAST. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE TO COME ANYMORE TO THE WEST. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY, I WAS COMING IN THIS DAY. I COME IN FROM WHERE I LIVE. I COME OFF AIRPORT ROAD, I COME DOWN AIRPORT, I TURN RIGHT ON DAVIS BOULEVARD, I COME DOWN DAVIS. I HIT 41 AT THE TRIANGLE AND I 
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COME INTO THE CITY, YOU KNOW, AND I GET TO GOOD LA FRANK ROAD. YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR. GOOD LA FRANK ROAD IS IN THE CITY RIGHT HERE. AND WHEN YOU GET THERE AND YOU SIT AT THE RED LIGHT, IF YOU EVER NOTICE, IF YOU'RE COMING SOUTH ON GOODLATTE FRANK ROAD, YOU HAVE ONE DESIGNATED RIGHT TURN LANE INTO THE CITY. YOU HAVE TWO DESIGNATED RIGHT LEFT TURN LANES INTO THE COUNTY. 
          WHEN YOU COME DOWN TO 41, YOU HAVE ONE DESIGNATED RIGHT TURN THAT TURNS DOWN FIFTH AVENUE. 
          YOU HAVE THREE DESIGNATED LEFT TURNS. GO INTO THE COUNTY. OUR ROADS THROUGH THE STUDIES AND CAPACITY, MORE TRAFFIC TURN INTO THE COUNTY THAN THEY DO THE CITY. WHEN YOU TRAVERSE THESE NORTH SOUTH ROADS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DESIGN OF THEM AND THE WAY THEY'RE LAID OUT. SO I THINK THE CITY ALWAYS HAD A LOT OF TRAFFIC. YOU KNOW, ALWAYS HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC BECAUSE IT'S A CHOKE POINT. IF IT NARROWS DOWN WHERE THESE ALL THESE DIFFERENT ROADS COME TOGETHER. BUT IN REALITY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC COUNTS AND THE WAY THE ROADS ARE ENGINEERED, THEY'RE SET UP FOR MORE TRAFFIC TO TURN LEFT INTO THE COUNTY THAN THEY ARE TO THE CITY. AND I THINK THAT'S JUST BECAUSE IN THE COUNTY, THE MORE TRAFFIC ACTUALLY DOES COME TO THE CITY, THE COUNTY BUILDING, THE LARGEST EMPLOYERS IN THE CITY, IN THE COUNTY IS THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT ITSELF AND THOSE THINGS. SO THERE'S A LOT OF TRAFFIC. THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE GOING. SO EVEN THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE WESTERN PORTIONS OFF OF GOOD LIT AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THEY MAY HAVE JOBS. THEY PROBABLY JOBS ARE IN THE COUNTY MORE OR LESS. AND THAT'S WHY THE ROADS ARE DESIGNED THAT WAY. SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S WHAT I, I OBSERVE A LOT WHEN I COME DOWN THROUGH HERE NOW HAVING THE ACTIVITY CENTERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA, NOT HAVING PEOPLE TO DRIVE ANYWHERE OTHER THAN A FEW MILES TO THEIR JOB, TO THEIR GROCERY STORES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. RIGHT. I, THE ONLY THING, THE BEACH IS THE ONLY THING BECAUSE WE CAN'T MOVE IT. I CAN'T HAVE AN ACTIVITY BEACH OUT EAST SOMEWHERE. SO THE BEACH DOES HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, ESPECIALLY IN SEASON, BECAUSE WHEN WE GOT, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY MORE PEOPLE, 100,000 MORE PEOPLE WERE HERE IN THE SEASON THAT TYPICALLY AREN'T HERE TO THE REST OF THE YEAR. AND THEY WANT TO. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE HERE FOR. SO WE DO HAVE SOME ACHES AND PAINS AND THOSE THOSE AREAS. BUT I THINK IT'S JUST PART OF BEING WHERE WE LIVE. I ALWAYS TELL PEOPLE, DON'T FORMULATE WHERE YOU LIVE IN THE 20, 20, 30 MINUTES, YOU SIT IN TRAFFIC, THINK ABOUT THE OTHER 23 HOURS AND 20 MINUTES. 
          YOU LIVE IN PARADISE. YES, I THAT'S A GOOD PHILOSOPHY. HOWEVER, WITH THE GROWTH THAT'S IN, YOU KNOW, THE EAST AND THE NORTH, WE ARE A. WE ARE AFFECTED AT THE BEACHES. OUR RESIDENTS ARE VERY AFFECTED BY THE AMOUNT OF CARS THAT ARE COMING BECAUSE OF BEACH PASSES AND VISITORS. SO I'LL JUST SAY THAT THE TDC IS SOMETHING THAT PROMOTES TOURISM AND WE WELCOME TOURISTS. HOWEVER, WE NEED TO BE VERY CAUTIOUS AND REALLY START TO ANALYZE HOW MUCH WE NEED TO SPEND THE TAXPAYER DOLLARS ON PROMOTING MORE PEOPLE TO COME TO NAPLES. I MEAN, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE OUR BUSINESSES AND RESTAURANTS THRIVE. HOWEVER, IT IS AN IMPACT ON THE CITY WHEN THE TDC IS MARKETING FIFTH AND THIRD AND THE BEACHES. SO IT'S IT'S A REAL CONCERN FOR OUR TAXPAYERS. SO AND I AND I, I, I UNDERSTAND TO A POINT, BUT ALSO THAT'S OUR LARGEST INDUSTRY. WE DON'T HAVE A STEEL MILL. WE DON'T HAVE A CAR FACTORY. THAT IS OUR INDUSTRY HERE. THAT'S WHAT KEEPS US THRIVING IS TOURISM. AND THE OTHER THING, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S COMING OVER THE HORIZON WITH THIS PROPERTY TAX THING, THE STATE OF FLORIDA, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A SPECIAL SESSION. I WAS JUST TOLD THE OTHER DAY THEY'RE HAVING ANOTHER SPECIAL SESSION. IT'S NOT GOING TO MAKE THE BALLOT THIS NOVEMBER BECAUSE IT'S TOO LATE. THEY HAD TO END APRIL, I BELIEVE, TO MAKE THE BALLOT FOR THE PROPERTY TAX RELIEF BILL. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A SPECIAL SESSION, THOUGH, BEFORE THIS YEAR IS OUT. AND I THINK BEFORE DESANTIS LEAVES OFFICE, THEY'RE GOING TO PUSH IT HARD. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DEPEND ON IS TOURISM DOLLARS TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE. AND IF WE DON'T SEE THE FUTURE, THAT THAT MIGHT BE THE WAY WE'RE PAYING OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, OUR NEW OUR REPAIR INFRASTRUCTURE OUT OF GENERAL FUND, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. WE MIGHT LOSE 30% OF THAT AMOUNT OF TAX. WE COLLECT THAT THAT FUNDS THOSE THINGS. YOU KNOW, OUR SHERIFF IS THE LARGEST ONE CHECK. WE WRITE OUT OF GENERAL FUND EVERY YEAR TO HAVE THE SERVICE THAT HE PROVIDES. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO IF THE STATE GETS TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DEPEND ON THE MARKET TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE, I WE MAY BE UP AGAINST A HARD STOP, BUT THESE MIGHT BE IMPORTANT THINGS. IF WE DON'T WANT TO GET BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL WHERE WEST PALM OR SOMEBODY ELSE'S TOURISM IS SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO FEED. 
          IT'S LIKE LIKE AN ANIMAL. YOU GOT TO FEED IT EVERY DAY BECAUSE EVERY GENERATION DON'T KNOW NAPLES, FLORIDA. SO THE NEW GENERATION COMING UP NEEDS TO BE FED. IN NAPLES, FLORIDA EXISTS TO SUPPORT NAPLES, FLORIDA. SO THERE IS A FINE LINE AND A FINE DANCE WE MUST 
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DO. BUT I JUST I CAUTION THAT LOOKING TO THE FUTURE, IT MAY BE ONE OF OUR PRIOR OUR MOST VALUABLE SOURCES. RIGHT? SO JUST NOT TO BELABOR IT. BUT WE DO HAVE GENERATIONAL FAMILIES AND OUR TAX BASE PAYS FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT. AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT OUR TAXES CAN DO THAT. SO WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN DO TO PROTECT THAT TAX BASE. 
          BUT THE CRAMER WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING ON THAT. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION. NO CITY OR COUNTY TAX DOLLARS PAY FOR ANY ADVERTISING. THE TDC DOLLARS COME FROM HOTEL RECEIPTS OF A PENNY TAX. I THINK IT WAS TEN YEARS AGO. IS IT A PENNY TAX TWO. WELL YEAH. WHATEVER THAT BED TAX IS NOW. YEAH IT'S IT'S JUST A PENNY. IT'S LIKE A PENNY OVER WHAT THE REGULAR SALES TAX IS. AND THAT'S COLLECTED BY THE TDC. AND THEN IT'S, IT'S IT'S IT'S CONTROLLED BY THE STATE OF FLORIDA. ACTUALLY THE PURSE STRINGS ON HOW WE USE IT AND HOW WE USE IT. NOW, I KNOW WE USED IT FOR WE, I THINK THE PIER, I GOT A $3 MILLION GRANT FROM THEM LAST YEAR, YEAR BEFORE TO HELP WITH THE PIER PROJECT. THAT WAS TDC MONEY THAT WE USED. THE COUNTY THEN CUT A CHECK, I THINK FOR THE OUTFALL PROJECT WAS ABOUT $9 MILLION TO HELP WITH THE CITY'S NEW OUTFALL PROJECT. AND BECAUSE WE CAN ARTICULATE IT, THAT IF WE HAVE POOR DRAINAGE AND FLOOD, LIKE YOU TALKED ABOUT, COACH, YOU GOT, YOU KNOW, FLOODING ON ROADS, IT COULD IT COULD INHIBIT THE TOURISM. AND THEN WE CAN JUSTIFY ARTICULATE THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS DOLLARS CAN BE SPENT TO HELP THESE, WHICH ARE TYPICALLY NOT USUALLY SPENT FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. BUT WE CAN ARTICULATE THAT HAVING A GOOD OUTFALL PROJECT, HAVING GOOD DRAINAGE IN THE CITY OF NAPLES IS A BENEFIT TO THE TOURISTS. SO WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE THAT $9 MILLION A YEAR AGO. THE PIER, OF COURSE, IS A NO BRAINER. THAT IS A YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN ATTRACTION TO TOURISM. SO THAT WAS NO BRAINER TO GET THE $3 MILLION OUT OF TOURISM. BUT THAT MONEY DOES NOT COME FROM OUR CITIZENS. IT COMES FROM VISITORS TO COME TO THE COLLIER COUNTY, THAT IS. THANK YOU. YEAH. THAT THAT THAT'S WHAT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ON THAT BECAUSE I GET THAT A LOT OF HOW ARE YOU USING OUR TAX DOLLARS? I KNOW I GET THAT, BUT LET ME CLARIFY THOUGH, THIS IS WHERE THE PUBLIC RECORD COMES IN HANDY WITH OUR PUBLIC, WITH OUR CLERK AND CHECKING THE RECORD. THOSE FUNDS WERE ESTABLISHED FOR THE BEACH, RENOURISHMENT AND BEACHES. AND SLOWLY BUT SURELY, IT HAS CHANGED ITS PRIORITIES AND INCREASED TOWARDS MORE TOURISM. SO I'M JUST SAYING WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHY IT WAS ESTABLISHED. AND THERE COMES A POINT WHERE YOU NEED TO PAUSE AND LOOK AT THE GROWTH THAT WE HAVE AND THE IMPACT THAT WE HAVE AND EVALUATE IT. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. I AGREE, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYONE TO LOOK AT THE RECORD. TDC TOURISM DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL, IT WAS BASED ON TOURISM. YEAH, WE WE WHEN WE ESTABLISHED OURS, WE WERE ONE OF THE FIRST TO KIND OF FLIP IT AND WORK IT TO SAY, WELL, OBVIOUSLY THE BEACH IS OUR GREATEST TOURISM ATTRACTION. SO THAT'S HOW WE CAN USE IT FOR THAT. BUT ANYTHING, ANY DOLLAR WE SPEND ON THAT MUST. YOU HAVE TO JUSTIFY THAT. OUR COMMISSIONERS HAVE TO JUSTIFY THAT IT PROMOTES TOURISM. LIKE THAT'S THE WHOLE BASIS FOR THE WHOLE ENCHILADA. SO THANKFULLY, THEY HAVE WORKED WITH US AND ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO SO FOR PROJECTS THAT WE NEED IN TERMS OF INFRASTRUCTURE, BECAUSE AS COMMISSIONER QUARLES HAS MENTIONED, IT AFFECTS TOURISM. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, BECAUSE I GET HIT A LOT WITH HOW COME YOU'RE USING OUR TAX DOLLARS FOR THAT? JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE DON'T USE ANY TAX DOLLARS FOR. AND JUST TO THE OTHER PART, I THINK IT WAS THE WATER. YOU KNOW HOW THE CITY PORTIONS OF THIS MAP YOU. I COULD I ROUGHLY KNOW THAT PORTIONS OF THIS MAP, LIKE THIS SIDE OF BAYSHORE, WEST SIDE OF BAYSHORE, EVEN ALL UP AS FAR AS TO THE ESTUARY ARE ALL IN CITY WATER, POTABLE WATER SYSTEM. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY MANAGER MAY BE AWARE OF THIS, BUT THERE WAS DURING THE DROUGHT A FEW MONTHS BACK, WE WERE WATCHING THE AQUIFERS VERY CLOSELY BECAUSE IF WE HAD TO THE COUNTY, IF THE CITY WAS IN ANY SITUATION WHERE THEY NEEDED POTABLE WATER, WE WERE READY TO FLIP A SWITCH AND WE WERE INTEGRATED. THAT WAY. WE CAN DO THAT. WE CAN PROVIDE OUR AQUIFERS WERE STRONG EVEN THROUGH THE DROUGHT, OR WE WERE IN A GOOD, GOOD POSITION AND WE WERE JUST KIND OF SITTING. AND THEN FINALLY, WE DIDN'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING, BUT WE WERE POISED TO GO AHEAD AND JUST FLIP THAT SWITCH. AND IF NEED BE, TO BACKFILL YOU GUYS WITH POTABLE WATER. SO. RIGHT. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST, THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ALL ABOUT. WE'RE ALL ABOUT THE PEOPLE AND THE CITIZENS HERE AND OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR COUNTY AND IN ANY WAY WE CAN HELP. SO. AGREED. AND SO YOU'RE VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE ON THAT, THAT OUR OUR WELLS ARE OUT IN THE COUNTY. SO JUST CAUTIONING THE OVERDEVELOPMENT AND US NOT BEING ABLE TO RECHARGE OUR WELLS FOR WATER IS, IS SOMETHING THAT WE MUST LOOK AT, ESPECIALLY AS YOU JUST MENTIONED, THAT THE DROUGHT THAT WE EXPERIENCED. ALSO. WITH THAT GROWTH THAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT ON OUR BORDERS, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A POSSIBILITY OF US 
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WORKING WITH THE MARINE PATROL AND OUR MARINE PATROL AND THE COUNTY, BECAUSE WE HAVE A AN ABUNDANCE OF RENTALS, AND WE HAVE SOME YAHOOS THAT REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SAFETY OF BOATING AND THE IMPACT ON OUR SEAWALLS AND OUR HOMES IN THE AREA AS THEY'RE TOURING UP AND DOWN THE CANALS, BECAUSE THERE'S A LARGE EXPANSION OF TOURISM GOING UP AND DOWN THOSE CANALS. I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. I WILL GO AND THANK YOU. I'LL JUST I'LL GIVE YOU A GOOD, GOOD NEWS THING. WE NEVER HAD A SUBSTATION, A MARINE SUBSTATION NORTH OF DAVIS BEFORE OR I MEAN PINE RIDGE BEFORE. AND NOW WE DO WE THE PARK UP THERE OFF OF GULF SHORE BOULEVARD. WE'RE OCCUPYING A SPACE UP IN THERE. NOW THAT WE PUT A NEW LIFT IN, THE SHERIFF HAS A BOAT. SO NOW THEY CAN RESPOND FROM THE NORTH COMING SOUTH INSTEAD OF ALWAYS TRYING TO COME FROM THE SOUTH, FROM OUR AREA, OUR OUR SUBSTATION WITH OUR MARINE PATROL. SO NOW WE HAVE TWO LOCATIONS THAT CAN RESPOND BECAUSE WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH A BOAT THAT WAS ON FIRE, AND IT KIND OF BROUGHT ATTENTION TO IT, AND THAT THE CITY WAS TRYING TO RESPOND FROM ONE DIRECTION. AND THE COUNTY IS COMING EVEN FURTHER FROM A SOUTH LOCATION. WE'RE LIKE, IT'S TIME. WE NEED SOMETHING IN THE NORTH. SO OUR COUNTY PARKS AND RECS AND GOT TOGETHER WITH OUR SHERIFF AND THEY, THEY PROVIDE IT NOW THEY GOT A LIFT AND A STATION IN THE NORTH, WHICH WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE. SO THAT HELPS THE RESPONSE TIME AND PATROLS. THANK YOU. THAT'S GOOD. 
          COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ, COMMISSIONER, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. NOT MANY OF YOU KNOW, BUT THE PELICAN BAY, PELICAN BAY SERVICES DISTRICT HANDLING OF CLAM BAY. WE RAN INTO A BIT OF A HICCUP WITH THE THE COMMISSIONER FROM DISTRICT TWO AND DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE THE COMMITTEE TO ALLOW US UP IN NAPLES CAY AND SEAGATE AND PARK SHORE TO INTERACT WITH THE PELICAN BAY SERVICES DISTRICT, WHICH IS WHOLLY OWNED BY THE COUNTY AND AT THE VERY BOARD MEETING, WHEN THE PLAN FOR A COMMITTEE THAT WE'D LONG BEEN WORKING TOWARD ESTABLISHING GOT SHOT DOWN BY THE COMMISSIONER FROM DISTRICT TWO. AT THAT MEETING, COMMISSIONER COLWELL WAS GIVEN THE DIRECTION FROM BOTH COMMISSIONERS MCDANIEL AND SAUNDERS, AND THE EXACT WORDS WERE, DAN, CAN YOU GET IN THERE AND CALL THE BALLS AND STRIKES AND GET OUR GUYS A LITTLE PLAY AT THE COMMITTEE LEVEL? AND DAN WENT OUT THERE AND HE APPOINTED MYSELF AND PATRICK WACK, AND WE ARE NOW WORKING. WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING WITH THIS. THEM THIS COMING MONDAY. IN REGARDS TO THE DREDGING OF CLAM BAY AND THE RESTORATION OF THE DUNES AND THE MANGROVES, AND WITHOUT DAN KOWAL STEPPING THERE, STEPPING UP FOR US, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD HAVE HAD A SEAT AT THE TABLE. SO SOMETIMES WE DON'T. WE WE YELL AT YOU AND SCREAM AT YOU ABOUT THINGS. BUT I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF LOVE FOR THIS ONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH, COMMISSIONER. 
          WELL, THANK YOU COUNCILMAN. IF YOU GUYS KNOW THIS IS WHERE I'M KIND OF CIRCLING WITH THE LITTLE HAND HERE, THIS IS THE THE AREA OF BODY OF WATER HE'S TALKING ABOUT. AND THIS IS VENETIAN BAY. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALL CITY JURISDICTION. AND IN REALITY, THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS AREA HERE, THERE'S A GIANT MANGROVE CUSHION HERE WHERE THE ACTUAL RESIDENTS LIVE IN PELICAN BAY, BUT THEY HAVE KIND OF CONTROLLING INTERESTS OVER THIS BODY OF WATER, WHICH LIES DIRECTLY ON OUR CITIZENS HERE IN THE CITY. AND THAT FEEDS THIS OUTFALL HERE TO TO VENETIAN BAY. SO I FELT IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT THESE PEOPLE LIVED HERE, HAD SOME SORT OF VOICE WHEN IT CAME DOWN TO THE HEALTH OF THAT WATER, BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS IMPORTANT BECAUSE WE NEVER HAD IT BEFORE. SO THAT WAS KIND OF WHAT WE DID. AND SOMETIMES WHEN YOU INCLUDE ME IN AN EMAIL, IT SHAKES PEOPLE UP. THANK YOU. I HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER CARL. YES, COMMISSIONER. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE IT. AND CONGRATULATIONS ON ON BEING CHAIR NOW, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CHANGE AND YOU WITH THE NEW LEADERSHIP, I JUST WANT TO HEAR SOME OF YOUR IDEAS AND COMMITMENT FOR BETTER COORDINATION BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE LACKING THERE. AND I'D LIKE TO SEE THAT BETTER COMMITMENT. AND YEAH, AND SOME OF THE ISSUES, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT I REALLY FEEL ARE HIGH PRIORITY NEEDS. AND, AND ONE AFFECTS TOURISM A LOT IS WATER QUALITY. AND THERE'S SOME LOW HANGING FRUIT. LIKE WE HAVE A FERTILIZER BAN. AND BETWEEN JUNE AND OCTOBER, THE COUNTY DIDN'T THINGS LIKE THAT THAT THAT COULD BE WE CAN GET YOUR COMMITMENT ON POSSIBLY READDRESSING THESE ISSUES. SEPTIC MAINTENANCE WAS SOMETHING YOU DID IN THE PAST THAT GOT TURNED DOWN. BUT I'VE GOT WATER QUALITY MEASURES COMING DOWN THAT GOLDEN GATE CANAL INTO NAPLES BAY. BIG ISSUE FOR WATER QUALITY. SOME OTHER THINGS. OUR SHARED 
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WATERSHEDS, WHETHER IT BE SWAN LAKE OR MAYBE 20, 30% OF THAT'S COMING FROM THE COUNTY. AND WE'RE NOW ADDRESSING NEEDS THERE FOR A PUMPING MECHANISM TO CONTROL THE LEVEL. WE GOT SEVEN INFLOWS AND TWO OUTFLOWS INTO THAT LAKE. SO A LOT IS COMING IN FROM 41. AND THE COMMERCIAL PROJECTS, THESE CROSS BORDER DEVELOPMENTS OF CHANGE IMPACT IN OUR AREAS. AND, AND KIND OF WHEN THESE THINGS GET PASSED IN THE COUNTY, WE KIND OF HAVE NO INTERACTION. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING MAYBE THAT IF WITH THE NEW, WITH YOUR, WITH OUR IDEAS TOGETHER, WE COULD PROBABLY DO A BETTER JOB WORKING TOGETHER. BUT EVEN THE DAVIS TRIANGLE, I MEAN, I LIVE IN THAT AREA. I, I PULL OUT SANDPIPER EVERY DAY AND IT'S THE LOWEST LYING AREA AND I SEE NO GREEN. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH UNDERWATER STORAGE THEY PUT IN THESE COMMUNITIES, BUT I LOOK LIKE WHERE THE RETENTION BASIN FOR THAT AREA. SO IN A RAINSTORM. SO THAT MAY AFFECT WHERE A PUMP IS GOING TO BE NEEDED IN THAT AREA. SO THINGS LIKE THAT. IF WE COULD BETTER COORDINATE, I THINK WE'LL ALL MAKE US BOTH STRONGER AND BETTER. AND, AND WITH OUR NEW VISION TOGETHER, WE COULD ACCOMPLISH A LOT, I THINK WOULD BE A REAL EXCITING GET TOGETHER AND COORDINATE BETTER. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THAT? WELL, THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER. YOU KNOW, PROBABLY A WEEK OR TWO. ONCE I GOT CHAIRMAN'S SEAT POSITION, I REACHED OUT TO THE COUNTY MANAGER AND I TALKED TO HER ABOUT HAVING A JOINT SESSION. I KNOW SHE HAD REACHED OUT TO THE CITY MANAGER JUST TRYING TO TIMELINE, TRYING TO GET THIS THING TO WHERE WE CAN ALL HAVE THE ABILITY TO MEET AT ONE TIME, ESPECIALLY COMING INTO THE SUMMER MONTHS. SO THINGS GET A LITTLE HECTIC WITH EVERYBODY. I KNOW YOU GUYS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU STILL TAKE A BREAK IN THE SUMMER MONTHS. I DON'T REMEMBER. I, I KNOW WE DID USED TO AND THEN WE DIDN'T FOR A WHILE. AND SO I DON'T THINK WE ARE AGAIN THIS YEAR, BUT IT'S JUST COORDINATING. WE DEFINITELY WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE A JOINT SESSION WITH THE CITY. 
          MR. YOUNG'S WORKING ON THAT. YES. YEAH. I KNOW THAT THAT SHE HAD SPOKEN TO YOU. AND AND THE OTHER THING IS I WOULD LIKE ME AND SERENA WAS TALKING MY EXECUTIVE ASSISTANT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S THINGS THAT SOMETIMES I DON'T EVEN KNOW THEY'RE COMING DOWN THE PIKE UNTIL THEY HIT THE PLANNING COMMITTEE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, OR UNLESS I PHYSICALLY GO TO A CRA MEETING ONCE A MONTH AND OR GO TO A MEETING OR I JUST POP IN. A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE HAND HANDLED BY THE DEVELOPERS WAY AHEAD OF TIME. YOU KNOW, THINGS MAY HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE. AND SOMETIMES I DO GET, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA OF WHAT'S COMING OR NOT COMING BECAUSE OF THAT, BECAUSE I TAKE THE INITIATIVE TO GO ON MY OWN, BUT PROBABLY RIGHT AROUND THE PLANNING COMMISSION AGENDA TIME WOULD BE WHERE WE COULD SET SOMETHING UP, WHERE WE SHARE ANYTHING WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES THAT WAY AND THAT WAY, YOU GUYS KIND OF HAVE A HEADS UP. EVEN AROUND THE SAME TIME, WE GET AN OFFICIAL HEADS UP ON SOME OF THIS STUFF. SO THAT'S THE EASIEST, JUST SIMPLE SHARING OF INFORMATION, JUST CREATING A PIPELINE THAT WILL WORK FOR THAT. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO SIMPLE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WAY YOU GUYS WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE WHAT'S COMING, YOU KNOW, JUST AS EARLY AS WE ARE. AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF YOU GUYS SIT ON THE MPO WITH ME. YOU KNOW, WE WE SEE THOSE PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, WE DISCUSS THOSE PROJECTS MONTHS AND MONTHS AHEAD OF TIME, YEARS AHEAD OF TIME, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO INFRASTRUCTURE AND ROADWAYS. YOU KNOW, WE GO OUT 25 YEAR, 50 YEAR PLANS AT THE MLP. SO YOU TWO OF YOUR MEMBERS SIT SIT ON THAT BOARD WITH ME. 
          SO THAT'S OTHER THINGS CAN BE BROUGHT BACK TO THE CITY THROUGH THE MLP. YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S ALL ABOUT WORKING TOGETHER. YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE ALL WE'RE ALL UNDER ONE UMBRELLA NOW THE STORMWATER STUFF, YOU KNOW, WE DO RELY A LOT ON SOUTHWEST FLORIDA STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. SO THAT'S THE UMBRELLA THAT THE STATE PROVIDES FOR ANY PROJECT. 
          SO THEY HAVE TO STILL THEY GO THROUGH ALL THEIR PERMITTING. SO IF IT'S A PROJECT IN THE CITY OR IT'S A PROJECT IN THE COUNTY, THAT UMBRELLA OVERSEES A LOT OF STORMWATER THINGS, THEY THEY WRITE THE PERMITTING FOR THOSE THINGS. SO WE GET THE SAME INFORMATION YOU GET WHEN THAT TIME COMES, WHEN THE DEVELOPER SUBMITS THEIR PLANS FOR PERMITTING. SO THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A UNIVERSAL UMBRELLA THAT COVERS ALL THOSE THINGS FOR THE STANDARD THAT THEY REQUIRE. WHEN IT COMES TO PROJECTS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR OWN STANDARDS AT A COUNTY LEVEL, BUT IN REALITY, THEY HAVE TO GET THOSE PERMITS TO MOVE FORWARD. SO THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A, AN ENTITY THAT ALREADY EXISTS, THAT ENCOMPASSES BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY WHEN A PROJECT COMES FORWARD, BECAUSE THAT'S THE STATE RUN OPERATION THAT HAS TO BE MEET THEIR REQUIREMENTS. SO THAT'S ONE, ONE THING THAT ESPECIALLY WITH THE STORMWATER, WE, WE, WE DO HAVE SOME PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING ON IN CLOSE TO THE TRIANGLE AREA, THE, THE BROOKSIDE PROJECT WITH THE NEW OUTFALLS, FIVE NEW OUTFALLS UP THERE. WE'RE EXPANDING THE RETENTION POND THAT WHERE THE TRIANGLE FEEDS INTO WITH THEIR OVERFLOW AFTER THEY'RE. ONCE THEY CONTAIN THE WATER ON SITE, IT GETS PUMPED OVER. AFTER IT'S CLEANED OFF, IT'S SCRUBBED 
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AFTER SETTLEMENT, AND THAT PUMPS OVER TO THE RETENTION POND, WHICH WE JUST PURCHASED TWO MORE PROPERTIES AT THE END OF LYNNWOOD. AND WE'RE GOING TO EXPAND THAT. THIS INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE IS WAS OVERENGINEERED TO BEGIN WITH. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE AN EXPANDED RETENTION POND. SO THAT WILL HELP WITH THE WATER ON 41, THE WATER IN THE TRIANGLE AREA AND ANYTHING ELSE. SO THAT'S SOMETHING IN THE NEAR FUTURE THAT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE. SO WE'RE ALWAYS THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING GOING ON, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, KEEP UP WITH IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S, BECAUSE WE GOT A LOT OF LEVELS OF OUR COUNTY GOVERNMENT THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT PROJECTS, LOOKING AHEAD, SAYING, YOU KNOW, IT'S TIME FOR THIS. YOU KNOW, WE'RE AGED OUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE THE OLDEST INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE COUNTY THAT'S BETWEEN THE CITY AND IN MY DISTRICT AND THE COUNTY. YOU KNOW, WE, WE'VE BEEN HERE THE LONGEST. WE'VE HAD THE MOST URBAN SETTING ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTY. SO WE'RE STARTING TO AGE OUT. AND SOME THINGS IT'S TIME TO START REVAMPING AND RETOOLING. SO THAT'S DEFINITELY THE DIRECTION WE'RE MOVING IN. SO WELL, CAN WE ALSO KIND OF GET YOUR COMMITMENT ON OR INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS? I THINK WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THEY'RE THEY'RE KIND OF OUTDATED. BUT WITH ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, ON A SATURDAY NIGHT, THEY'RE COMING DOWN HERE FOR ENTERTAINMENT AND RESTAURANTS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU IF YOU LOOK AT THE THE PARKING SITUATION AND STUFF LIKE THAT, SOME OF OUR INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS, I THINK, HAVE TO BE LOOKED AT. WELL, THAT'S I THINK I THINK OUR VISION OF THE CRA IS THAT THE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO START COMING TO THE BAYSHORE AREA IN THE FUTURE, AND NOT THE FIFTH AVENUE, NOT TO BE OFFENSIVE, BUT THERE'S SOME BIG PROJECTS COMING TO RESTAURANTS AND, AND AMENITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE JUST GOING TO BLOW SOME PEOPLE'S MINDS, I THINK. I MEAN, WE GOT ONE GROUP THAT'S INTERESTED IN BUYING SOME PROPERTY FROM THE COUNTY IS THE PAVAROTTI FOUNDATION. THE WIDOW OF PAVAROTTI CAME. 
          THEY PUT AN UNSOLICITED BID ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY TO BUILD HIS MUSEUM, HIS OPERA HOUSE, HIS RESTAURANT. THIS WILL BE NAPLES, FLORIDA, NOT NAPLES. ITALY WILL BE THE HEADQUARTERS OF PAVAROTTI. SO JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT WILL BE AN ATTRACTION ON BAYSHORE THAT PROBABLY NOBODY WOULD EVER THOUGHT OF 30 YEARS AGO, FOR SURE. RIGHT? BECAUSE SO YEAH, SO THAT'S, IT'S UNIQUE. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. I THINK FIFTH AVENUE IS GOING TO SPREAD TO THE EAST. SO IT WON'T HAVE TO HAVE AS MANY PEOPLE. AND WE STILL GIVE YOU GUYS $6 MILLION A YEAR FOR YOUR CRA IN THE FIFTH AVENUE. SOMEHOW YOU GUYS VOTED IN EVERY YEAR FOR ANOTHER 30 YEARS. AND I GOTTA CUT YOU ANOTHER TRICK EVERY YEAR FOR $6 MILLION. BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S SO BLIGHTED ON FIFTH AVENUE. WELL, WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO USE THAT MONEY TO DO THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS. SO THANK YOU. WERE YOU COMPLETE? YEAH. OKAY, I HAVE CAN I TAKE YEAH, JUST A QUICK COMMENT SINCE WE'RE DISCUSSING MONEY GOING BACK AND FORTH, I JUST FIGURED I'D TOSS OUT THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT BETWEEN OUR ON OUR PROPERTY TAXES OF $0.86 OF EVERY DOLLAR GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION. SO WE'RE PAYING YOU THAT MUCH. YEAH. WE'RE PAYING YOU TO FLIP THAT, REVERSE THAT. SO WE DO APPRECIATE THE MONEY COMING BACK OUR WAY WHEN WE GET IT, BUT WE CERTAINLY DO SEND A LOT THE OTHER DIRECTION. SPEAKING OF WHICH, THERE WERE THREE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT WITH YOUR GROWTH AND OF COURSE, IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO UPGRADE OUR PORTIONS. BUT WITH THAT GROWTH COMES A COST TO OUR TAXPAYERS. 
          SO THERE WERE THREE ITEMS TODAY AND VERY HEALTHY EXPENSE TO US IN IN WATER MAIN AND DRAINAGE AND REPLACEMENTS. AND IT WAS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO REDO BAYVIEW, GOING TO THE PARK, THE ACTUAL ROAD LEADING TO THE PARK. WE'RE GOING TO REDO IT. WE HAVE A PROJECT READY TO KICK OFF IN A FEW WEEKS. AND NOT TO RUB SALT IN THE WOUND, BUT THERE'S SOME WATER LINES THAT THE CITY OWNS THAT ARE COLLAPSED. AND I KNOW THE ENGINEERS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS, DISCUSSING IT. THE COUNTY MADE A DECISION YESTERDAY. WE'RE JUST GOING TO PAY AND HAVE THEM FIXED WHILE WE DO THE ROAD PROJECT, BECAUSE I DON'T I THINK IT WOULD HELP US BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO DIG IT BACK UP AFTER WE ALREADY TEAR, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO RESURFACE ABOUT 900 LINEAR FEET THAT COLLAPSED, AND WE HAVE TO COME IN AND BRING IT UP TO ORIGINAL ELEVATION SO THE DRAINAGE WORKS PROPERLY. AND EVENTUALLY WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THERE. WE BUYING THE CRA, WE'RE BUYING THE OTHER STREET A LOT OF EMPTY PROPERTIES. WE ALREADY OWN SOME LOTS ON IT. AND IF YOU'RE USED TO BAYVIEW PARK, IT'S NO LONGER A PARK. IT'S A PARKING LOT. I MEAN, IT'S JUST BOAT TRAILERS AND TRUCKS, AND THERE'S PROBABLY A SWATH OF 12 FOOT GRASS ALONG THE WATER SIDE THAT'S ACTUALLY A PARK. SO THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF THIS IS THAT STREET THAT WE'RE GOING TO BUY AS PART OF CRA. WE'RE GOING TO CREATE AN ACTUAL PARKING LOT WITH BOAT PARKING, TRAILER PARKING. WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE BAYVIEW STREET ENTRANCE. 
          IT'LL HAVE ITS OWN DESIGNATED ENTRANCE INTO THE PARK, AND THAT WILL TAKE THE PARKING LOT OUT OF THE PARK AND IT'LL BE A PARK AGAIN. SO THAT'S THE WHOLE CONCEPT BEHIND THAT. AND WE'RE USING CRA MONEY, GRANT MONEY, AND SOME OTHER FUNDING SOURCES TO DO THAT. OKAY. AND YOU ARE 
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PUTTING BACK PARKING THOUGH FOR THE BOAT. OH, WE HAVE MANY MORE PARKING, MORE PARKING, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE IT'S WHERE IT USED TO BE, LIKE SOME OLD HOUSES AND SOME PROPERTIES. THAT'S ALL GOING TO BE ONE HUGE PARKING LOT ON THE BAY STREET. BAY STREET WILL THEN BECOME PART OF THE PARK. YES, IT'LL HAVE ITS OWN PARKING FACILITY AND NEW ROAD, NEW ENTRANCE, EVERYTHING INTO THE PARK. SO IT'S NOT COMING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD ANYMORE. AND THE PARKING SPOTS IN THE PARK WILL THEN MOVE OUT THERE. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BURTON, VICE MAYOR. THANKS, COMMISSIONER, FOR ALL THE UPDATES TODAY AND THAT YOU SHARE WITH OUR COMMUNITY THROUGH THE TOWN HALLS THAT YOU DO AT THE LIBRARY AND THE NEWSLETTERS THAT YOU GUYS DO. THOSE ARE VERY HELPFUL AND IMPROVING COMMUNICATION AND TRANSPARENCY. 
          AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU AND COMMISSIONER HALL, LISTENING TO OUR RESIDENTS UP IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE CITY AND SEA GATE AND PARK SHORE ABOUT THE WATER PARK. AND I BELIEVE HE ALSO SAID, AS YOU SAID, THAT YOU ALL WOULD MOST LIKELY DELAY THE HEARING OR. YEAH, UNTIL SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER TIME FRAME WHEN PEOPLE ARE BACK. THAT'S THAT'S GREAT BECAUSE SO MANY OF OUR PEOPLE ARE GONE AND PELICAN BAY PEOPLE ARE GONE DURING THAT TIME FRAME. SO THAT'S MUCH, MUCH APPRECIATED TO WAIT TILL THEY'RE BACK. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S THE THAT'S THE GOAL. AND I THINK WE'VE ALWAYS KIND OF HAD THAT AS AN UNWRITTEN RULE. YOU KNOW, IN THE PAST I USED TO TAKE THE MONTH OF AUGUST OFF THE COUNTY COMMISSION. SO THEY DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING. BUT WE VOTED TO WORK THROUGH THE SUMMER BECAUSE WE'RE ALL HARD WORKERS OVER THERE AT THE COUNTY. SO. BUT NO, BUT I FEEL BAD FOR STAFF SOMETIMES BECAUSE THAT'S USUALLY THEIR VACATION TIME. BUT WE WERE ON WITH SKELETON CREWS THROUGH THOSE MONTHS. SO YEAH. BUT NO, I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE WE'LL SEE IT WHEN IT DOES COME BEFORE. AND THAT'S WHERE I'M LEAVING STRAIGHT FROM HERE. ACTUALLY, I'M FIVE MINUTES LATE FOR MY COUNTY MANAGER'S MEETING TO TALK ABOUT THE AGENDA FOR THE UPCOMING TUESDAY. SO, AND WE APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING TO TRY TO MITIGATE THE IMPACT OF REDEVELOPMENT ON OUR BORDERS. WE KNOW THAT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE RIGHTS TO REDEVELOP PROPERTY. WE APPRECIATE WHEN YOU TRY TO KEEP THEM WITHIN THE CODES AND WITHIN THEIR ZONING, AND NOT GRANT VARIANCES THAT WOULD INCREASE THE INTENSITY OR DENSITY BEYOND WHAT'S CURRENTLY ALLOWED. SO WE APPRECIATE, LIKE THE HOTEL, THE MARRIOTT HOTEL, WHAT YOU DID THERE TO LIMIT THE SIZE. THAT'S THAT'S REALLY APPRECIATED. AND, AND THAT WAS DONE WITHOUT HAVING A COMMISSION MEETING THAT WAS DONE BECAUSE I MET WITH THE COMMUNITY, I MET WITH THE DEVELOPERS, MET 3 OR 4 TIMES IN MY OFFICE. WE WENT OUT TO THE SITE AND WE JUST SAID, LET'S ALL AGREE ON SOMETHING THAT CAN WORK, YOU KNOW, AND THAT WAS DONE THAT IN A HANDSHAKE. AND THEY WENT BACK AND THEY BROUGHT BLUEPRINTS THAT FIT. THEY MET THE, YOU KNOW, THE STATUTE SIZE OF WHAT THEY CAN BUILD BY STATUTE. AND THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE AT. SO I DON'T THINK THE MARRIOTT'S GOING TO LOSE ANY MONEY ON IT. I JUST SAID JUST RAISE THE PRICES. THAT'S ALL IN THE ROOM. SO THAT'S WHAT IT IS. AND IT'S AWESOME WHAT YOU'RE DOING IN THE BAYSHORE AREA AND EAST NAPLES PARK ON THE PICKLEBALL FACILITY. SO YOU'RE GIVING CITY RESIDENTS REASONS TO GO OUTSIDE THE CITY, 5000 PEOPLE THERE FOR THAT. 
          YEAH, THAT TOURNAMENT WAS AWESOME. IT'S AMAZING. EVERY YEAR IT EXCEEDS IT'S MORE EVERY, I THINK A PARTICIPANT FROM ABOUT JUST EVERY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD PARTICIPATED. YEAH. NOW YOU HAVE PARKING ISSUES THERE TOO. YES, WE DO. AND WE'RE WORKING ON WE HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THE ORGANIZATION THAT RUNS IT, WHICH IS THE FIRST TIME WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY DIMINISHING THE REQUEST FROM THE TOURISM MONEY AND ADDING DOLLARS OF THEIR OWN TO MATCH. SO THIS IS A GOOD PARTNERSHIP WE'RE HAVING WITH THEM RIGHT NOW. SO WE'RE WE'RE PROBABLY, I THINK THE END OF MAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A STAFF MEETING ON THIS MONEYS THAT THEY'RE SETTING ASIDE TO DO SOME SOME CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT TO THE PARKS AND PARKING AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO GREAT IS ALL THESE THINGS NOT ONLY GIVE CITY RESIDENTS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PARTICIPATION IN PICKLEBALL OR OTHER THINGS, BUT AS GROWTH DOES HAPPEN IN THE COUNTY, IT GIVES PEOPLE SOMEWHERE ELSE TO GO BESIDES FIFTH AVENUE. YEAH. SO IT HELPS SMOOTH OUT THE THE BURDEN. WE CAN BLAME IT ON JEOPARDY BECAUSE IT WAS ACTUALLY A QUESTION ON JEOPARDY. I TOOK A PICTURE OF IT. I TOOK A PICKLEBALL CAPITAL OF THE WORLD. 
          THEY ANSWERED NAPLES, FLORIDA. WHAT IS NAPLES, FLORIDA. AND THEY WERE RIGHT. SO WE'RE NUMBER ONE IN A LOT OF CATEGORIES, RIGHT? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU AGAIN. 
          THANK YOU. WE'LL LET YOU GET BACK TO YOUR JOB, BUT WE CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOU BEING 
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HERE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO PUBLIC COMMENT. IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK BEFORE COUNCIL, YOU CAN FILL OUT A REGISTRATION FORM 
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AND GIVE IT TO THE CLERK. OUR FIRST GOAL, SPEAKER, IS GOLDA TRATHEN. AND IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. OH, YOU CAN COME RIGHT HERE TO THE MIDDLE. AND THERE'S A TO THE RIGHT, A BUTTON TO PUSH FOR THE MICROPHONE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS GOLDA TRANTHAM. I LIVE IN THE BAYSHORE REDEVELOPMENT AREA. I AM THE HONORARY CHAIRPERSON, BOARD MEMBER FOR THE WOODY HERSHEL WILLIAMS FOUNDATION, AS WELL AS THE CHAIRPERSON FOR THE NAPLES GOLD STAR FAMILIES FOUNDATION HERE IN NAPLES, FLORIDA. MY GOAL AT THIS TIME IS TO BRING ATTENTION TO THE COUNCIL OF THE FACT THAT WE ARE TRYING TO GET A MEMORIAL PUT INTO CAMBIER PARK. BACK IN AUGUST, WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE VETERANS COUNCIL TO VOTE ON IT, AND IT PASSED UNANIMOUSLY. WE ARE HERE TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT WE WOULD LIKE VERY MUCH IN THE NEAR FUTURE, HOPEFULLY SOON, TO BE ABLE TO BRING IT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE BOARD TO BE ABLE TO BE VOTED ON. THIS IS THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE UNITED STATES, AND AT THIS TIME, WE WOULD LIKE VERY MUCH TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT WE WANT TO HONOR OUR WARRIORS AND THEIR FAMILIES WHO GAVE THE ULTIMATE SACRIFICE FOR US. THIS ALL CAME ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO WHEN WE STARTED THE RIDE AROUND FLORIDA FOR ATTENTION TO THE GOLD STAR FAMILIES WE HAVE IN SOUTHWEST FLORIDA, ONE OF THE LARGEST VETERANS POPULATION, AND UNFORTUNATELY, ALSO ONE OF THE LARGEST GOLD STAR FAMILY POPULATION. AT THIS TIME. WE WOULD LIKE VERY MUCH TO RECOGNIZE THESE FAMILIES. THIS RIDE IS WHAT WE DO. WE STOP AT ALL THE GOLD STAR FAMILIES MEMORIALS IN FLORIDA. TWO YEARS AGO, MAYOR HEITMAN WAS KIND ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO DO A PROCLAMATION FOR US AND AT THAT TIME STATED THAT CAMBIER PARK WOULD BE A WONDERFUL PLACE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE MEMORIAL. SO AT THIS TIME, THE ONLY THING I'D LIKE TO SAY IS HOPEFULLY I'VE PRESENTED SOME OF THE FACTS TO YOU THAT YOU COULD PLEASE PUT US ON THE AGENDA SO THAT IN APRIL OF NEXT YEAR, WHEN WE COME ABOUT, WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SAY THAT WE CAN BREAK GROUND ON A NEW GOLD STAR FAMILY MEMORIAL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND THE CITY MANAGER AND SANDRA FRASCINO, OUR ASSISTANT, HAS CREATED PACKETS TO BE ABLE TO GIVE OUT TO COUNCIL FOR THEIR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT THE PROJECT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MELISSA CINTRA. FROM. OH, SORRY, I COULDN'T HEAR THAT. AND WITH THAT, AARON WEINER. NICE TO MEET YOU. SO MELISSA ASKED ME TO LET YOU GUYS KNOW SHE HAD TO LEAVE TO MEET HER SON'S NEEDS, BUT SHE WAS PLANNING ON SPEAKING TODAY. AND YOU ARE. 
          I'M AARON WEINER, AND I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF STEPHANIE NORDIN, THE FOUNDER OF AUTISM RESOURCE CENTER. SHE PLANNED TO SPEAK TODAY BUT HAD A FAMILY EMERGENCY INVOLVING HER CHILDREN AND IS UNABLE TO ATTEND. SO SHE ASKED ME TO SPEAK ON HER BEHALF AND READ AN EMAIL THAT SHE SENT. AND AS A SPEECH LANGUAGE PATHOLOGIST WHO WORKS CLOSELY WITH FAMILIES IN THE COMMUNITY, I'M HAPPY TO DO SO. I'D NOW LIKE TO READ HER STATEMENT. MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, I PLAN TO ATTEND TOMORROW'S MEETING IN PERSON, BUT I'M CURRENTLY SITTING IN THE HOSPITAL WITH MY SON, LOGAN. HE HAS A SEVERE TOOTH INFECTION THAT HAS ESCALATED BECAUSE THERE IS NOT A PROVIDER AVAILABLE IN THE ENTIRE STATE TO PERFORM THE EXTRACTION HE NEEDS. DUE TO THE COMPLEXITY OF HIS DISABILITY. THAT IS THE REALITY OF FAMILIES LIKE MINE LIVE IN. EVERY SYSTEM IS DIFFICULT. EVERY DOOR IS HARD TO OPEN. EVERY SUPPORT TAKES A FIGHT. LAST WEEK, MY OTHER SON, GAVIN, SLIPPED OUT THE BACK DOOR AND RODE HIS TRICYCLE NEARLY 12 MILES ACROSS COLLIER BOULEVARD AND US 41 BEFORE HE WAS FOUND, THANKFULLY, 
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BY CCSO FAMILIES RAISING CHILDREN WITH SIGNIFICANT DISABILITIES DO NOT GET BREAKS. 
          THE BATTLES ARE CONSTANT, EXHAUSTING AND NEVER ENDING, WHICH IS WHY HEARING WORDS LIKE EMPATHY WHILE THE CITY SIMULTANEOUSLY ELIMINATES ONE OF THE ONLY LONG STANDING, INCLUSIVE TEEN PROGRAMS IN OUR COMMUNITY, FEELS DEEPLY DISCONNECTED FROM THE REALITY. 
          FAMILIES ARE LIVING. FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS, FAMILIES RELIED ON THE RIVER PARK PROGRAM, SERVING AGES 13 TO 22. NOW IT'S GONE. AT THE SAME TIME, POLICIES HAVE CONTINUED SHIFTING IN WAYS THAT FURTHER EXCLUDE FAMILIES. WHILE CHILDREN HAVE THE HIGH WALL CHILDREN WHOSE EXCLUDE FAMILIES WHOSE CHILDREN HAVE THE HIGHEST NEEDS, INCLUDING REQUIRING PARENTS TO PROVIDE THEIR OWN 1 TO 1 DIRECT SUPPORT PROFESSIONALS. FOR CAMPERS NEEDING ASSISTANCE WITH ACTIVITIES OF DAILY LIVING. THE RESULT IS SIMPLE MANY FAMILIES ARE ACTIVELY SHUT OUT AND THE NUMBERS MATTER. ACROSS COLLIER COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS, THERE ARE 4152 ESE STUDENTS IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, 2235 IN MIDDLE SCHOOL, 2927 IN HIGH SCHOOL, 270 IN ALTERNATIVE SCHOOLS, AND 639 IN CHARTER SCHOOLS. THAT'S MORE THAN 10,000 STUDENTS FOR SERVING RECEIVING ESE SERVICES IN OUR COMMUNITY. OF THOSE STUDENTS, APPROXIMATELY 720 IN COLLIER COUNTY, PUBLIC SCHOOLS FALL INTO THE STATE'S HIGHEST LEVEL OF SUPPORT NEEDS AND WOULD REQUIRE SIGNIFICANT SUPPORT TO SAFELY PARTICIPATE IN PROGRAMS LIKE SUMMER CAMP. THESE CHILDREN EXIST REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY ARE SEEN DURING A PRIVATE MEETING WITH ANOTHER MOTHER AND ME. COUNCILMAN KRAMER STATED THAT THE CITY OF NAPLES DOES NOT HAVE ENOUGH KIDS WITH DISABILITIES TO JUSTIFY NEEDING A CAMP PROGRAM. 
          ONE OF THOSE MOTHERS WAS MELISSA CINTRA, A CITY OF NAPLES RESIDENT WHO MOVED HERE FROM MICHIGAN BECAUSE SHE BELIEVED NAPLES WAS AN INCLUSIVE COMMUNITY FOR A FAMILY LIKE HERS. IMAGINE HEARING THAT AFTER UPROOTING YOUR LIFE TO COME HERE. 
          FAMILIES ARE EXHAUSTED FROM WATCHING. RESPONSIBILITIES FOR OUR CHILDREN GET PASSED FROM SYSTEM TO SYSTEM, AGENCY TO AGENCY AND PROGRAM TO PROGRAM. AT TIMES IT FEELS LIKE OUR KIDS ARE BEING TREATED LIKE A HOT POTATO THAT NO ONE WANTS TO HOLD ON TO FOR TOO LONG. THE COUNTY IS ACTIVELY WORKING ON EXPANSION. THE STATE IS WORKING ON SOLUTIONS, YET THE WEALTHIEST ZIP CODE IN THE NATION IS STEPPING AWAY FROM SERVING SOME OF ITS MOST VULNERABLE RESIDENTS BECAUSE OF LIABILITY. WHEN PROGRAMS DISAPPEAR, FAMILIES DO NOT EXPERIENCE IT AS A POLICY CHANGE. THEY EXPERIENCE IT AS ANOTHER DOOR CLOSING ON THEIR CHILDREN. I ALSO WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND SOMETHING PERSONALLY. THE ONLY REASON MY CHILDREN WILL HAVE A SUMMER PROGRAM THIS YEAR IS BECAUSE I BUILT ONE MYSELF THROUGH AUTISM COLLIER RESOURCE CENTER AND AUTISM COLLIER CHARTER SCHOOL. MY FAMILIES DO NOT HAVE THE ABILITY, CONNECTIONS OR RESOURCES TO DO THAT. THEY ARE SIMPLY LEFT WITHOUT OPTIONS. 
          EMPATHY IS NOT A STATEMENT MADE IN A MEETING. EMPATHY IS WHETHER FAMILIES ARE STILL WELCOME IN YOUR COMMUNITY WHEN SERVING THEM BECOMES DIFFICULT. I TRULY HOPE THIS COUNCIL RECONSIDERS THE DIRECTION AND PRIORITIZES BEING SET AND PRIORITIES BEING SET, AND WORKS TOWARD SOLUTIONS THAT BETTER REFLECT THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY. COUNCILMAN KRAMER RAISED THE IDEA OF CREATING A DEDICATED, ADAPTIVE, INCLUSIVE RECREATION PROGRAM IN OUR MEETING. I BELIEVE THAT APPROACH IS NOT ONLY COMPASSIONATE, BUT PRACTICAL. 
          IT CREATES SAFER AND MORE APPROPRIATE ENVIRONMENTS FOR PARTICIPANTS, WHILE ALLOWING THE CITY TO INTENTIONALLY PLAN FOR THE GROWING NEEDS OF INDIVIDUALS WITH DISABILITIES AND THEIR FAMILIES. DISABILITIES ARE NOT DISAPPEARING. THEY NEED INCLUSIVE RECREATION, RESPITE AND ADAPTIVE PROGRAMING IS GROWING EVERY YEAR. AS A COMMUNITY, WE CONTINUE TO FIND WAYS TO PRIORITIZE HOTELS, PARK IMPROVEMENTS, BEAUTIFICATION PROJECTS, AND LITIGATION EFFORTS. I SIMPLY HOPE WE CAN ALWAYS PRIORITIZE THE CHILDREN, TEENS AND FAMILIES WHO RELY ON THESE PROGRAMS TO SAFELY PARTICIPATE IN COMMUNITY LIFE. 
          STEPHANIE NORTON, AUTISM COLLIER RESOURCE CENTER THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN KRAMER. BUT WE'LL ALSO BE WORKING TO ORGANIZE A MEETING WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. OUR ABILITY TO DO A THINK TANK ON HOW WE CAN ADDRESS AND RESOLVE THE ISSUE. SO I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. I MEAN, MADAM CLERK, DO I HAVE ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? NO. OKAY. THAT WASN'T MENTIONED. 
          CAN I JUST ADDRESS THAT? YES. I JUST WANT TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS. SINCE MY NAME WAS THROWN OUT THERE, I'VE WORKED WITH SPECIAL NEEDS KIDS FOR 33 YEARS. THE STATISTICS FOR SC 
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STUDENTS IS A LITTLE MISLEADING BECAUSE THAT INCLUDES GIFTED STUDENTS AS WELL. THEY ALSO HAVE A 504 PLAN. SO DON'T THINK THAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE KIDS WITH DISABILITIES. THESE ARE KIDS THAT ARE VERY, VERY HIGH ACHIEVERS. WE'RE JUST VERY HIGH ACHIEVERS. THE OTHER THING THAT STUCK OUT TO ME WAS THAT MAYBE I DON'T REMEMBER. THAT COULD BE GAVIN THAT I TAUGHT, BUT WHO WOULD BE AN ADULT? NOW, IT IS TRUE THAT AS. THAT FOR ONCE YOU AGE OUT, YOU GET 22 YEARS OLD. 
          THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS HORRIBLE AT HELPING THESE FAMILIES. THAT'S A FACT. AND WE'VE GOT HOUSING FOR ADULT MEN AND WOMEN NOW UP ON THE MCGREGOR BAPTIST CHURCH CAMPUS. 
          BUT IT'S IT'S WONDERFUL. AND I HELP RAISE FUNDS FOR THAT. BUT IT'S IT'S NOT ENOUGH. HAVING SAID ALL THAT, WHEN I HAVING DEALT WITH THESE KIDS AND, AND BY CHOICE, BY THE WAY, AND CREATED PROGRAMING FOR THEM, WHAT STOOD OUT TO ME WAS GAVIN ON HIS TRICYCLE. AND WHAT IF THAT WAS ON MY WATCH? THE LIABILITY IS IS ENORMOUS, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE TO HAVE STAFF WITH THE APPROPRIATE TRAINING CERTIFICATIONS. AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT. AND SO THE QUESTION COMES DOWN TO IS THIS SOMETHING WHAT I SAID WAS IF IF YOU HAVE TO DO THIS, YOU HAVE TO DO IT RIGHT. WE ARE NOT SET UP FOR IT THERE. AND, AND I'VE SAID THIS UNDER PRESSURE, IF WE HAVE TO KNOW BY JUNE, WE CAN'T DO IT BY JUNE. WHATEVER WE'RE DOING, WE CAN'T DO THAT BY JUNE. AND THE FACT IS, AND I THINK OUR CITY MANAGER IS GOING TO ADDRESS IT, WE'VE GOT SPOTS FOR EVERYBODY TO GO, AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE ALL COUNTY RESIDENTS. WE CAN. WE'RE HANDLING THE LITTLES IN HOUSE LIKE WE ALWAYS HAVE. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO, FOR FREE, ACCOMMODATE THE OLDER KIDS. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE GUYS I MET WITH KIND OF DISAGREED WITH HAVING DONE IT MYSELF. I DON'T WANT THE LITTLES AND THE BIGS MIXED. YOU GET I DON'T CARE WHO YOU ARE GUYS, WHEN THE TESTOSTERONE HITS AND YOU MOMS OF BOYS OR YOU COACHES OF BOYS KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          THEY BECOME DIFFERENT CREATURES. WE DON'T NEED THEM. MIXED WITH THE LITTLES. SO I SAY ALL THAT TO SAY, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO LOOK FORWARD TO A REPORT FROM OUR CITY MANAGER, WHICH IS A REALLY GOOD CONCLUSION AND, AND A GOOD A GOOD PLAN. IS IT PERFECT? NO, THERE'S NO PERFECT PLAN. IS IT GOING TO GIVE EVERYBODY EXACTLY WHAT THEY WANT? NO. WILL IT BE A CHANGE UP? BUT IT'S STILL A REALLY GOOD PLAN. AND SO I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING, I THINK IT'LL BE AT THE END AND COMMENTS OR WHATEVER. BUT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY A COUPLE THINGS WITH THAT BECAUSE THAT CAN BE A LITTLE MISLEADING. NOT NOT MY INTENT, I'M SURE, BUT BUT I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT FOR THE RECORD. THANK YOU, MAYOR. THANK YOU. ALSO THERE, I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THE JEWISH AMERICAN HERITAGE FOUNDATION OF GREATER NAPLES. ICLA IS THE PRESIDENT AND CEO THAT WAS HERE TODAY, AND I RECOGNIZED A PAST DIRECTOR. SO THANK YOU AGAIN FOR PRESIDENT NOMINEE FOR BEING HERE. SO WITH THAT, WE ARE ENDING PUBLIC COMMENT AND GOING 
          [APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA]
TO OUR CONSENT AGENDA. COUNCIL IS THERE. QUESTIONS? IF NOT, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA AND A SECOND BY VICE MAYOR. ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNED BY. I OPPOSED. THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THAT WAS A VERY LARGE CONSENT AGENDA. SO THANK YOU COUNCIL, FOR THAT. GOING TO ITEM NINE. OH YEP. ITEM NINE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE ON MOVING TO THE REGULAR AGENDA BOARDS AND COMMITTEES. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE. OH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE FOR A FOR B TO FOR A. SO WE'LL START WITH FOR A MADAM MAYOR, YOU MEAN 1010 A, I MEAN TEN A 
          [10.A) Carver Finance, Inc. Board of Directors Annual Presentation to City Council.]
THANK YOU. THIS IS THE CARVER FINANCE, CORRECT? AT YOU, MR. MCKEE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          THANK YOU. THERE WE GO. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. IT'S IT'S MY 
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PLEASURE AND AN HONOR TO BE HERE TO BRIEF YOU ON THE GEORGE WASHINGTON CARVER COMPLEX IN NAPLES. WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THIS ONCE A YEAR. AND. AND I KNOW THERE'S TURNOVER ON THE ON THE CITY COUNCIL. SO THERE MAY BE 1 OR 2 OF YOU WHO ARE NOT AWARE OF WHAT IT IS. 
          AND IT'S A KIND OF A HIDDEN GEM IN THE CITY OF NAPLES, UP ON FIFTH AVENUE NORTH AND AND 10TH STREET. AND WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSION IN RECENT YEARS ABOUT WORKFORCE HOUSING. AND THIS IS A VERY EARLY ATTEMPT AT CREATING SOMETHING LIKE THAT. WE HAD A SLUM. NO OTHER WAY TO DESCRIBE IT IN NAPLES. AND BACK IN THE 70S, I WAS OWNED BY A PERSON FROM FORT MYERS, ABSENTEE OWNER, AND IT NEEDED TO GO AWAY. THE CITY ACTUALLY TOOK IT BY EMINENT DOMAIN AND THEN WRESTLED WITH THE THE IDEA ABOUT HOW TO SET SOMETHING UP TO BUILD A SUCH A FACILITY. AND THE CITY WAS A LOT SMALLER THEN. AND THEY CAME UP WITH A WITH AN INTERESTING PLAN. THE CITY DIDN'T WANT TO GO INTO THE BUSINESS OF BEING A LANDLORD AND WANTED TO DISTANCE ITSELF FROM THAT PROCESS. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, ONE OF THE END RESULT. SO THEY KEPT THE OWNERSHIP OF THE LAND AND SOUGHT AN OPERATING COMPANY THAT WOULD BUILD 70 LIVING UNITS ON ON THE PROPERTY THAT WOULD QUALIFY FOR SECTION EIGHT. FUNDING. THAT IS A SYSTEM THAT WAS IN IN PLACE DURING THE 1980S THAT THAT PROVIDED FOR FEDERAL SUBSIDIES FOR RENTALS, WHEREBY THE OWNERS WOULD CONTRIBUTE A SET PERCENTAGE OF THEIR GROSS INCOME FOR THE RENT AND FOR THE INDIVIDUAL UNITS. AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WOULD MAKE UP THE BALANCE. AND UNFORTUNATELY, THAT PROGRAM NO LONGER IT'S PART OF OF HUD HOUSING AND URBAN DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT BUT THE FUNDS ARE NO LONGER THERE, AND THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY NEW PROJECTS SINCE BUSH TWO'S ADMINISTRATION. SO WE HAVE ONE. AND AND IT'S A IT'S AN ABSOLUTE MODEL AS FAR AS THE REST OF THE COUNTRY IS CONCERNED. THERE'S ALWAYS A WAITING LIST TO GET INTO IT. 
          IT'S IT'S VERY WELL MAINTAINED. AND, AND TO FURTHER INSULATE ITSELF FROM THAT, THE THE CITY SET UP A FINANCE CORPORATION, AN INDEPENDENT CORPORATION, NOT A CITY BOARD, NOT AN ADVISORY BOARD TO. STAND BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE AND THE OPERATING COMPANY. AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN DOING NOW FOR ALMOST 40 YEARS. IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE. BUT IT'S BEEN A IT'S BEEN A REAL PLEASURE TO SEE HOW IT'S WORKED. THE BIGGEST PROBLEM TODAY IS HOW CAN WE DO THIS AGAIN? IS THERE ANY PLACE ELSE IN THE CITY THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? AND IN THE ABSENCE OF A SECTION EIGHT PROGRAM, HOW COULD WE CONTROL IT? OUR ONLY THREAT TO OUR CONTINUING EXISTENCE THERE WAS CAME AT A TIME WHEN THE FIRST OPERATING COMPANY ANNOUNCED THAT, THAT THEY WERE GOING TO OFFER IT FOR SALE TO OTHER INTERESTED PARTIES, AND THAT ENTITY WOULD BUY, AS THE OPERATING COMPANY DID IN THE BEGINNING, THE PHYSICAL ASSETS ON THE PROPERTY, BUT NOT THE LAND. AND SO. WE WERE FACED WITH THIS POSSIBLE SITUATION WHERE A BUYER MIGHT COME ALONG AND LET THE HUD. 
          SUBSIDY EXPIRE. THAT WAS BACK IN OH FIVE. AND WE WERE FORTUNATE TO FIND A ANOTHER 
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OPERATING COMPANY TO STEP IN AND TAKE IT OVER THAT HAD A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP WITH HUD AND WAS ABLE TO GET A 25 YEAR EXTENSION FOR THE FOR THE HUD SUBSIDY AND AN OPTION FOR ANOTHER ONE AFTER THAT. SO WE'RE WE'RE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE WITH ALL OF THAT. AND WE'VE LEARNED SOME LESSONS AND, AND I'VE TRIED TO PASS THEM ON TO THE COUNCIL WHEN THE WHEN THE WHEN THE SUBJECT COMES UP, THESE THINGS AREN'T GOING TO HAPPEN UNLESS THE CITY HAS A VESTED INTEREST. AND IN OUR CASE, IT'S THE LAND WE NEED TO BE A PARTNER, NOT NOT AN OPERATING ENTITY TO COLLECT RENTS AND, AND ANSWER COMPLAINTS AND THAT SORT OF THING. BUT TO OWN THE LAND AND. THINGS CAN HAPPEN. AND WE CAN WE CAN LOSE THAT OPPORTUNITY, OR WE CAN BE PROACTIVE AND TRY TO FIND OTHER OPTIONS. AND I KNOW THAT THE CITY IS, IS, IS LOOKING EVERYWHERE. THERE WILL BE SOME, PERHAPS SOME SURPRISE OPPORTUNITIES COMING UP IN THE FUTURE. THERE ARE SOME TIMES THAT SITUATIONS THAT ARISE THAT WE DON'T SEE COMING. ONE OF THEM WAS ON YOUR AGENDA TODAY WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT GROWTH IN OLD NAPLES AND, AND GROWTH VERSUS THE THE CITY. WE DIDN'T FORESEE THAT ALL OF OUR COMMERCIAL AREAS, ALL OF OUR PROPERTY ZONED COMMERCIAL, WOULD BECOME FUTURE TARGETS FOR REDEVELOPMENT AS HOUSING. AND THE RESULTS ARE PRETTY DRAMATIC. BACK IN THE IN THE LATE 80S, WHEN I WAS ON THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, WE DID A STUDY OF THE CITY OF NAPLES TO SEE HOW MANY PEOPLE IT WOULD ADD TO THE POPULATION IF ALL OF THE REMAINING PROPERTIES THAT HAD SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS ON IT WERE CONVERTED TO MULTIFAMILY. AND WE CAME UP WITH ABOUT 50 CANDIDATES, 50 MORE PEOPLE. 
          WELL, JUST AN EXAMPLE IS GRAND CENTRAL STATION. IT WAS A IT WAS A SHOPPING CENTER. AND WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE THE HIGHEST, BEST USE FOR, FOR THAT PROPERTY FOR A LONG TIME. GUESS WHAT? NOW IT'S A HOUSING UNIT WITH 300 UNITS ADDED TO THE TO THE POPULATION BASE IN THE CITY. AND IT HAPPENED WITH THE WHOLE SECOND FLOOR OF FIFTH AVENUE, THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOORS, AND ANY BUILDINGS THERE IS HAPPENING ON 10TH STREET. WE'RE SEEING IN THE COUNTY. THE DISCUSSION TOOK PLACE ABOUT THE DAVIS TRIANGLE. THAT'S PRETTY DRAMATIC. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE PEOPLE HERE. LESSON LEARNED DEVELOPERS DON'T NEED ANY DENSITY BREAKS IN THE CITY OF NAPLES UNLESS IT'S FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING. SO THAT'S MY OPINION. BUT I THINK IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO MAKE PLENTY OF MONEY AT 12 UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS OUR CITY STANDARD FOR MULTIFAMILY. THEY DON'T NEED MORE, BUT WE NEED INCENTIVES TO FOR, FOR SOMEONE TO CREATE WORKFORCE HOUSING. SO THAT'S ONE KEY THAT WE MIGHT TURN TO HELP IT TO HAPPEN. CARVER IS, IS, IS ONGOING. I THINK IT STANDS AS A SHINING EXAMPLE OF WHAT COULD BE DONE AND THE CHALLENGES. WHAT COULD WE DO NOW IN OUR ANNUAL MEETINGS? THE CARVER FINANCE CORPORATION HAS GONE ON RECORD THAT WE'D BE HAPPY TO ASSIST IN ANY WAY THAT WE COULD OR BE A PART OF, OF THAT SEPARATION, THAT NEEDS THAT INSULATION THAT NEEDS TO BE MADE SO THAT THE CITY DOESN'T BECOME A LANDLORD. AND AND YET IS VESTED AND INVOLVED. SO THAT'S JUST A LITTLE CAPSULE OF, OF, OF WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE MIGHT TRY TO GO. AND I WOULD WELCOME ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND YOUR DEDICATION, ESPECIALLY TO GEORGE WASHINGTON CARVER IN. 
          GENERAL, YOUR ANNUAL MEETING OR YOUR LAST MEETING. THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT POSSIBLE RENOVATION OR EXPANSION. COULD YOU SHARE WITH US? SURE. PROJECTS OF THAT TYPE IN TERMS 
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OF BEING ATTRACTIVE TO INVESTORS TAKE ADVANTAGE OF TAX INCENTIVES, THE MAIN ONE BEING AN ACCELERATED DEPRECIATION. AND. SO WHEN YOU WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS, IT LOOKS AS THOUGH THE THE THE OVERALL PROJECT OPERATES AT A LOSS, BUT IT IT DOES CREATE TAX ADVANTAGES SIMILAR TO THE ONES FOR BUSINESSES THAT THAT OPERATE FOR A LOSS FOR UP TO FIVE YEARS WITH THE IRS ENABLING THE INVESTORS TO OR THE OWNERS OF THE BUSINESS TO DEDUCT THOSE LOSSES FROM OTHER INCOME FROM PERSONAL INCOME SO THAT THE MATH BEGINS TO WORK IN A IN A NEGATIVE DIRECTION. FOR THAT. WE'RE NOW ALMOST 40 YEARS OLD, AND DEPRECIATION SCHEDULES FOR JUST STRAIGHT LINE SCHEDULES FOR FOR HOUSING USUALLY RUN 40 YEARS. SOME COMMERCIAL ONES DO. IN THE CASE OF, OF THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT, IT'S ABOUT 25. SO THERE COMES A TIME WHEN. THESE THINGS NEED TO BE RESTRUCTURED IN ORDER TO KEEP THE. THE INVESTORS INVOLVED. AND SO WE ALSO HAVE THE REAL DEPRECIATION ON, ON THE ASSETS. THE CARVER BUILDINGS HAVE BEEN VERY WELL MAINTAINED. WE'VE HAD ROOFS REPLACED, ALL OF THE ROOFS REPLACED. WE'VE RECOVERED VERY QUICKLY FROM HURRICANE IAN. THERE ARE THINGS LIKE DRIVEWAY PAVING THAT ARE GOING TO COME UP AND AND THAT SORT OF THING. BUT EVENTUALLY YOU WIND UP WITH A STRUCTURE THAT HAS BEEN MAINTAINED PROPERLY. BUT SOME OF THOSE UPGRADES ARE BEGINNING TO FAIL THEMSELVES. AND THERE MAY COME A TIME WHEN WE MIGHT CONSIDER REPLACING IT. THEN, AND PROBABLY ONLY THEN, YOU MIGHT CONSIDER A DIFFERENT DENSITY STANDARD AND TRY TO PUT A FEW MORE UNITS ON THAT PROPERTY. RIGHT NOW IT'S MAXIMIZED, SO WE CAN'T JUST ARBITRARILY GO IN AND SAY, WELL, LET'S TEAR DOWN A 20 UNIT WING AND BUILD A 40 UNIT WING. WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE STUCK WITH THAT. AND, AND TO BE HONEST, THE CONDITION OF THE BUILDINGS DOESN'T WARRANT REPLACEMENT AT THIS TIME. BUT WE HAVE TO KEEP OUR EYES OPEN AND, AND BE AWARE THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN. WE'VE CERTAINLY SEEN SEEN IT WITH RESIDENTIAL HOUSING. I'VE BEEN A REALTOR HERE FOR 52 YEARS, AND I'VE SEEN AN AWFUL LOT OF NAPLES SINGLE FAMILY HOMES GO TO THE DUMP. WE HAVE WE HAVE LANDFILL PROBLEM HERE THAT OTHER PARTS OF THE COUNTRY DON'T HAVE. BUT IN MOST PLACES, THEY TAKE THEIR GARBAGE TO THE DUMP. WE TAKE OUR HOUSES AND IT'S ALL ABOVE GROUND. SO YOU'LL YOU'LL NOTICE IF YOU DRIVE AROUND THE STATE OF FLORIDA, SOME MOUNTAINS THAT WERE BEGINNING TO SPROUT OFF ARE AROUND THE STATE, AND THAT'S PART OF THE CONTRIBUTION. BUT IT'S THE IT'S THE IT'S THE MONEY. IT'S THE IT'S TO, TO BE REALLY BLUNT ABOUT IT, IT'S THE DIRT. THE DIRT TURNS TO GOLD DUST. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT A AN AREA LIKE OLD NAPLES AFTER A NATURAL DISASTER, LIKE LIKE IAN, WE, WE HAD A A HOUSING UPHEAVAL THAT COULDN'T HAPPEN WITHOUT AN ACT OF GOD. AND SUDDENLY A HUNDRED PROPERTIES WERE OPENED UP AS TARGETS FOR REDEVELOPMENT. WE NOW HAVE QUITE A FEW HOUSES IN IN NAPLES THAT ARE THE THIRD STRUCTURE, THE THIRD HOUSE ON A PROPERTY. THEY'VE BEEN REPLACED TWICE. AND JUST ABOUT ALL OF OUR HISTORIC RESOURCES ARE GOING AWAY BECAUSE OF IT. SO YES, WE COULD WE COULD COME TO A TIME WHEN CARVER MIGHT NEED TO BE PHYSICALLY REPLACED, BUT I THINK OUR EFFORTS WOULD BE BETTER SERVED IF WE KEEP A SHARP EYE OUT FOR OTHER THINGS, WHERE THE CURRENT USE IS NO LONGER SUSTAINABLE. ONE OF THEM, AS FAR SIGHTED AS IT MAY SEEM, IS THAT IN AREAS WHERE LIKE 
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LIKE OLD NAPLES, WHERE THE ENTRY LEVEL FOR A LOT TO BUILD A SINGLE FAMILY HOME IS NOW AROUND $4.5 MILLION, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET A LOT OF FAMILIES, YOUNG FAMILIES TO FILL UP THE RANKS IN THE IN THE MIDDLE SCHOOL. AND SO THE THE STUDENT POPULATION DECLINES AND IT BECOMES IT MIGHT BECOME CLEAR AT SOME POINT THAT THAT FACILITY WOULD BE A POSSIBLE TARGET FOR WORKFORCE HOUSING. IT'S HARD TO ENVISION IN THE HEART OF, OF A OF A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S SO HIGH END IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, ENTRY LEVEL, BUT LOOK AT CARVER, IT WAS IT WAS CONSIDERED VERY INEXPENSIVE LAND AT THE TIME THAT IT WAS BUILT. AND NOW IT'S A BLOCK AWAY FROM THE NAPLES COMMUNITY HOSPITAL. WE HAVE A GOOD EXAMPLE GOING ON GOODLETTE ROAD WHERE, WHERE WE HAD A MEDICAL PARK AND IT DIDN'T FILL UP WITH MEDICAL OFFICES. SO GUESS WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW? YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A HOTEL. AND SO SOMETIMES THINGS AREN'T OBVIOUS. WE WE HAVE TO LOOK FOR THEM. WE HAVE TO SCRATCH A LITTLE, BUT WE CAN, I THINK, DO ADDITIONAL PROJECTS IF WE IF WE'RE DILIGENT ABOUT IT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. DO WE HAVE SECTION EIGHT HOUSING STILL AT AT GEORGE WASHINGTON? NO. THERE. OH, YES. OH, IT'S ABSOLUTELY IN EFFECT IN PERCENTAGE WISE. AND THERE'S A IT'S THE ONLY ONE WE HAVE, I THINK, IN COLLIER COUNTY. BUT THE PERCENTAGE WISE OF OF RENTERS, ALL OF THE RENTERS RECEIVE A SUBSIDY. OKAY. 
          ALL OF THEM, THEY WOULDN'T BE THERE. THEY COULDN'T BE THERE IF IT WEREN'T FOR THAT SUBSIDY PROGRAM. OKAY, I HEAR THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S TIME TO REALLY LOOK AT THIS PROPERTY. AND SO I THINK THIS COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF THAT CONVERSATION. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY, BUT I DO THINK IT WARRANTS FURTHER CONVERSATION. 
          WHEN WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION AT THE ANNUAL MEETING JUST RECENTLY, A SPOKESMAN FOR THE FOR THE OPERATING COMPANY CAME FORWARD AND SAID, NO, WE WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF, OF TRYING TO REPLACE THE PHYSICAL ASSETS THERE OR, OR, OR REDO IT. AND OBVIOUSLY, WE, WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THEIR COOPERATION TO DO THAT. BUT HE SAID WE CAN RESTRUCTURE AND ROLL OVER THE DEPRECIATION SCHEDULES AND RESTART THEM AS WE DID WHEN WE TOOK TOOK. TOOK OVER THE MANAGEMENT IN 2005, 20, 20, 25, 2005 AND WAIT 2005, 2005. HOW LONG IS THE OPERATING COMPANY HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH? I THINK THEY HAVE A RENEWAL THAT'S COMES UP IN ABOUT THREE YEARS ON THEIR. OPERATING AGREEMENT. THANK YOU. OKAY. COUNCIL. KRAMER, I'M SORRY, JUST TO CLARIFY. SO SINCE BUSH TWO NO NEW BUILDING PROJECTS, BUT IS IT STILL FEDERALLY SUBSIDIZED? YES. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. THE PROGRAM, THE PROGRAM GOES ON. BUT ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITIES FOR SECTION EIGHT SUBSIDIES HAVE CEASED. RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND I'D LIKE TO LIGHT A FIRE UNDER THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO GET THAT GOING AGAIN. OKAY. YES. THE COMPOSITION OF RETIREES VERSUS PEOPLE IN THE WORKFORCE THAT LIVE THERE. DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT THAT MIX IS? NO, I, I CAN'T GIVE YOU A DEFINITIVE ANSWER ON THAT, BUT ALMOST EVERYBODY'S IN THE IN THE WORKFORCE AND THERE ARE CHILDREN INVOLVED AND THEY'RE. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY CAN THEY CAN WALK TO LAKE PARK ELEMENTARY. IT'S KIND OF LIKE OUR, OUR, OUR CITY POOL. WE ONLY HAVE ONE. PUBLIC SWIMMING POOL IN NAPLES. AND YOU'RE HEARING ABOUT A POSSIBLE ONE UP, UP, UP IN SEAGATE. BUT WE ONLY HAVE ONE. AND WHEN TIMES WERE REALLY TOUGH IN 0708 AND THE CITY WAS LOOKING FOR ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING THAT THEY COULD PAIR OUT OF THE BUDGET AND THE POOL HAD WAS GONE WAY PAST IT'S IT'S FORESEEABLE LIFE AND WAS HAD TO 
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BE REPLACED. THE, THE, THE, THE CITY DECIDED THAT MAYBE A SPLASH PARK WOULD BE OKAY. 
          LITTLE JET NOZZLES OUT OF A A FLAT AREA PARK. WELL, NOBODY WOULD EVER LEARN TO SWIM ANYMORE WITHOUT THAT POOL AND LAKE PARK AT THAT TIME WAS PART OF OUR WORKFORCE HOUSING. IT WAS THE SINGLE FAMILY COMPONENT THAT WE HAD IN THE CITY OF NAPLES. AND NOW HOUSES ARE SELLING IN LAKE PARK FOR 2 MILLION, 2.5 MILLION. IT'S NO LONGER THE CASE, BUT THERE WEREN'T SWIMMING POOLS. SO LAKE PARK'S SWIMMING POOL WAS OUR CITY PUBLIC POOL, AND WE HAD TO BITE THE BULLET AND BUILD A NEW ONE. BY THE WAY, WE ALSO FOUND THE DEED SO THAT WATER SPOUT COULDN'T HAPPEN, THAT THAT POOL WILL ALWAYS REMAIN A POOL ON THAT LAND. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER PITTMAN WITH COUNSELORS PERMISSION. ANITA AND I HAVE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS RELATIVE TO THE CRA AND THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT. IF IT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU ALL, I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH MR. MCKEE UNDER THE RUBRIC UNDER THE RUBRIC OF THE CRA, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU. I DON'T ANYONE OPPOSED TO THAT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND YOU'LL KEEP US UPDATED. SO. ALL RIGHT. MR. YOUNG IS THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, MR. MUSCLE, IS HE PRESENTING ANYTHING ON FINANCIALS? NO. OKAY, PERFECT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU HAVE, MR. MCKEE? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. MY PLEASURE. AND ALL THE EFFORTS THAT YOU'VE GIVEN. I KNOW THAT WE MOVED 14 E TO AFTER THE BOARDS AND COMMITTEES. CORRECT? CORRECT. WE'RE ON TEN B RIGHT AT THE MOMENT FOR THE MPO APPOINTMENT. CORRECT. BUT WE'RE GOING TO DO 14 E OR TEN B TEN B. WE'RE GOING TO COMPLETE ALL BOARDS AND COMMITTEES AND THEN ALL BOARDS AND COMMITTEES. THANK YOU. BECAUSE MISS ARNOLD'S BEEN SITTING IN THE ROOM ALL MORNING. AND WITH THAT. MISS RAMOS. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR 
          [10.B) Recommend Michelle Arnold to the Metropolitan Planning Organization (MPO) Citizens Advisory Committee (CAC).]
AND COUNCIL. PATRICIA RAMOS, CITY CLERK. THIS ITEM IS TO RECOMMEND MICHELLE ARNOLD TO THE METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND, THERE ARE TWO SEATS ALLOCATED AS CITY REPRESENTATIVES ON THIS COMMITTEE. ONE OF THEM IS HELD BY FRED CAESAR, WHO COUNCIL MEMBER PENNIMAN HAS JUST REAPPOINTED, I BELIEVE THE END OF LAST YEAR. THE OTHER SEAT HAS BEEN VACANT DUE TO THE RESIGNATION OF STEPHEN SPAR BACK IN 2023, SO WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY APPLICANTS SINCE THAT TIME FOR THIS POSITION. AND SUSAN MICELI MICELI OF THE MPO STAFF, SHE RECOMMENDED THAT MICHELLE ARNOLD SERVE ON THE COMMITTEE AS A CITY OF NAPLES REPRESENTATIVE, TRANSITIONING FROM HER ROLE AS AN AT LARGE POSITION SO THAT THEY CAN WE CAN FILL THAT CITY REPRESENTATIVE POSITION THAT'S BEEN VACANT. ACCORDING TO THE BYLAWS OF THE CAC, NOMINATIONS FOR THE CAC MEMBERS ARE RECOMMENDED BY THE CORRESPONDING MPO MEMBER AND RATIFIED BY THE MPO BOARD. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON HAS, AS THE CORRESPONDING MPO MEMBER, HAS RECOMMENDED APPOINTMENT OF MISS ARNOLD. HER APPLICATION AND RESUME ARE IN THE PACKET AND YOU'RE FAMILIAR AS YOU JUST APPOINTED HER TO THE AIRPORT RECENTLY. IF THE RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED TODAY BY THE CITY COUNCIL, THE APPOINTMENT WILL BE RATIFIED BY THE MPO BOARD AT ITS JUNE 12TH MEETING. AND I'VE INVITED MISS ARNOLD HERE, AND SHE'S ALREADY AT THE PODIUM. 
          THANK YOU, MISS ARNOLD, FOR BEING HERE. AND ALSO, I DON'T THINK I'VE PUBLICLY BEEN ABLE TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS. AND THANK YOU FOR SERVING ON THE NAA THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. DID YOU HAVE A FEW COMMENTS OR. NO, I DON'T I, AS MISS RAMOS INDICATED, I'M CURRENTLY SERVING AS A CAC MEMBER ON THE MPO AT LARGE, AND BECAUSE I'M A RESIDENT IN THE CITY, I COULD I QUALIFY FOR THAT POSITION. SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS AND JUST TO SAY HELLO AND GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO ALL THE NEW BOARD MEMBERS OR CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU. WELL, THERE'S YOU'RE DEFINITELY QUALIFIED. THAT WAS WHERE YOU CAME FROM. IS BEING ABLE TO WORK WITH THE MPO ALSO. SO THANK YOU. AND COUNCIL MEMBER 
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BARTON. I'LL JUST QUICKLY ADD, SINCE I WAS PART OF THIS PROCESS, I KNOW MICHELE PERSONALLY AND HER RESUME AND EXPERIENCE WOULD MAKE HER A VERY WELCOMED AND WONDERFUL ADDITION TO THIS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I'M ALSO A MEMBER OF THE MPO AND WOULD WELCOME YOU THERE. I THINK YOU'RE QUALIFIED MORE THAN ENOUGH SO TO SERVE IN THE CAPACITY YOU SEEK. SO I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I CAN ONLY SAY THE SAME THING. I WAS ON THE MPO AND WE'LL NO LONGER BE OBVIOUSLY, BUT VERY MUCH FAMILIAR WITH YOUR WORK AND VERY IMPRESSED WITH ALL OF ALWAYS, ALWAYS YOUR REPORTS RELATIVE TO THE MPO. SO THANK YOU. CERTAINLY HIGHLY QUALIFIED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR MISS RAMOS. HOW LONG IS THE TERM? THREE YEARS STARTING IMMEDIATELY. I BELIEVE HER TERM IS UP AT THE END OF MAY. RIGHT? YEAH. SO SO IT WOULD BE THREE YEARS STARTING JUNE 1ST. YEAH. OKAY. THEN COUNCIL, I MOVE THAT WE APPOINT MICHELLE ARNOLD TO THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR A THREE YEAR TERM. IF I COULD JUST HAVE YOU REPHRASE THAT FOR THE PURPOSES WE'RE NOT APPOINTING, WE'RE RECOMMENDING OR RATIFYING THE RECOMMENDATION THAT MICHELLE ARNOLD BE APPOINTED TO THE MPO. CAC RATIFYING THE RECOMMENDATION. THE APPOINTMENT COMES FROM THE THE APPOINTMENT COMES FROM THE MPO. OKAY. TO RESTATE, I MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND THE MPO BOARD APPOINT MICHELLE ARNOLD TO A THREE YEAR TERM ON THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND THANK YOU, MISS ARNOLD, FOR BEING WILLING TO SERVE. THANK YOU. SUPPORT. SECOND, DO WE NEED A MOTION? FOR RECOMMENDING. WE JUST HAD A MOTION. OH, SORRY. WE JUST HAD THAT. I DIDN'T KNOW WE NEEDED ONE. BUT THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. AND. RECOMMENDED AND COUNCIL MEMBER PENNIMAN. SECONDED. CAN I DO ALL IN FAVOR, ATTORNEY. ALL IN FAVOR. SIGNED BY I, I OPPOSED. PERFECT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE AND HONORED TO SERVE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, MISS RAMBO. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT ITEM IS TEN C. YES. HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE? BUT COULD WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE? I WAS GOING TO SAY WE NEED TO TAKE A BREAK. YES. YEAH. SO WITH THAT, MISS RAMBO, IT'S AROUND 1050. WE'LL TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK. THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN. OKAY, WE'RE BACK FROM OUR SHORT BREAK AND CONTINUING ON WITH ITEM TEN C 
          [10.C) Interview and Consider Reappointing Cynthia Russell to the Moorings Bay Citizens Advisory Committee.]
MISSUS RAMOS. YES. THANK YOU MAYOR. ITEM TEN C IS TO INTERVIEW AND CONSIDER REAPPOINTING CYNTHIA RUSSELL TO THE MORNINGS BAY CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. SHE HAS SERVED ONE TERM ON THE MORNINGS BAY CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE, AND HER TERM IS SET TO EXPIRE THIS JUNE. SHE IS ELIGIBLE FOR. AND SHE HAS APPLIED FOR ANOTHER TERM. WE HAVE ADVERTISED FOR THIS POSITION SINCE FEBRUARY OF THIS YEAR, BUT NO APPLICATIONS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED BECAUSE MISS RUSSELL WILL BE OUT OF TOWN OVER THE SUMMER. SHE HAS ASKED TO BE INTERVIEWED TODAY AND WITH HER APPOINTMENT TODAY, BUT THE TERM WON'T BE EFFECTIVE UNTIL JUNE. SO I'D LIKE TO INVITE MISS RUSSELL DOWN OVER HERE. THANK YOU. SURE, I THANK YOU FOR SERVING. I AM VERY THANKFUL YOU'RE ON THAT COMMITTEE. I APPRECIATE YOUR WORK THAT YOU'VE INITIATED. AND WITH THAT, DO YOU WOULD YOU LIKE TO SHARE ANYTHING WITH COUNCIL? WELL, I APPRECIATE BEING ON THE COMMITTEE. I WOULD SAY WE MEET ONCE EVERY THREE MONTHS FOR AN HOUR, SO WE DON'T GET MUCH TIME TO GET TOO INVOLVED. AND IT'S TAKEN ME PROBABLY THREE YEARS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S BEEN GOING ON WITH THE WATER QUALITY REPORTS. THE STORMWATER LAKES MANAGEMENT PLAN, 144 PAGES. SO I'VE LEARNED A LOT AND I WANT TO CONTINUE TO CONTRIBUTE IF I CAN. 
          I HAVE A LOT OF PASSION FOR THE WATER. SINCE I LIVE ON THE BAY AND I GET FIRED UP AT THE MEETING SOMETIMES WHEN IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY PROGRESS. BUT RECENTLY I'VE 
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REACHED OUT TO THE WATER SCHOOL AT FGCU TO SEE IF THEY COULD PARTNER WITH US. SOME OF THEIR UNDERGRADS, THEY ALREADY HAVE A PROGRAM IN PLACE WHERE THEY'RE REACHING OUT TO COMMUNITIES IN BONITA BAY, AND THEY ARE THEY'RE HAPPY TO BE WORKING WITH US. IT'S EARLY STAGES AND PROBABLY WON'T GET ANY PROJECTS GOING UNTIL THE END OF THE YEAR BECAUSE THEY'RE ON BREAK, BUT THAT'S EXCITING TO GET SOME HELP BECAUSE ANY HELP WE CAN GET TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT TO HOMEOWNERS AND TO LANDSCAPERS. SINCE OUR BAY HAS BEEN DECLARED POLLUTED, VENETIAN BAY ALONG WITH NAPLES BAY, I THINK WE SHOULD BE SOUNDING ALARMS RIGHT NOW THAT THIS PROBLEM NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. AND IT'S REALLY HARD TO CHANGE THE MINDSET OF HOMEOWNERS TO NOT SPRAY THEIR YARDS. I WAS TOLD THAT I'M ANTI FERTILIZER BECAUSE OF OUR WATER, BUT I WAS TOLD IF IT'S APPLIED CORRECTLY, IT DOESN'T HURT OUR ENVIRONMENT. SO OBVIOUSLY THE PROBLEM IS IT'S NOT APPLIED CORRECTLY BECAUSE IT'S IN OUR BAY. SO HOW DO WE FIX THAT PROBLEM. IT'S A BIG, BIG PROBLEM. YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE WAY PEOPLE THINK. AND I'M NOT SURE THAT I'M EQUIPPED TO DO THAT, BUT MAYBE THE UNDERGRADS, THEY'RE ALREADY WORKING ON THIS PROBLEM. MAYBE THEY COULD HELP US. AND I'D BE THRILLED TO GET THEIR THEIR INPUT, BUT I FEEL LIKE I WOULD LOVE TO SEE ANOTHER CITY EMPLOYEE DEDICATED TO WORKING WITH HOMEOWNERS OUTREACH, A LIAISON WITH THE LANDSCAPERS, BUT WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT ABILITIES. BECAUSE UNLESS WE START FINDING PEOPLE, THEY'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO THINGS THE WAY THEY'RE DOING IT. I HAVE PHOTOS OF THEM SPRAYING WITH THE POLLUTANTS, GOING STRAIGHT TO THE STORMWATER DRAINS. I'VE CALLED CODE ENFORCEMENT. I'VE CONTACTED THE LANDSCAPERS. I DON'T MEAN A LOT WHEN I CALL, BUT CODE ENFORCEMENT MEANS A LOT WHEN THEY CALL BECAUSE THEY CAN FIND THEM, BUT THEY HAVE TO CATCH THEM IN THE ACT AND THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT. WE NEED SOMEONE ELSE WHO'S ACTUALLY ON THE STREETS WHEN THEY SPRAY, BECAUSE I WILL TELL YOU FROM LIVING IN A MERMAID'S BITE, THEY OVERSPRAY. 
          I HAVE PHOTOS OF IT. I CAN'T WALK OUTSIDE WHEN THEY'RE SPRAYING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. THE SMELLS ARE SO STRONG. ONE OF OUR NEIGHBORS, HIS DOG, WAS HAD TO BE RUSHED TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM BECAUSE OF THE SPRAYING. IT HAS TO STOP. WE NEED HELP TO TO MAKE IT STOP. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO THAT. SO WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOME PROGRAMS WHERE WE CAN GET HOMEOWNER PARTICIPATION. I'VE TALKED TO A LANDSCAPER FOR LIKE AN HOUR TO GET HIS INPUT. HE SAYS HIS CLIENTS, THEY JUST WANT GREEN GRASS. THAT'S IT. SO HOW DO WE HOW DO WE REACH THEM AND HOW DO WE MAKE CHANGES? SO IT'S A LOT TO WORK ON. I HOPE THAT YOU REAPPOINT ME SO I CAN BE WORKING ON THESE THINGS. IT'S A MOUNTAIN TO CLIMB AND WE NEED ALL THE HELP WE CAN GET. 
          SO I YOUR PASSION. I KNOW I'VE WATCHED AND I, AND I FEEL YOUR FRUSTRATION BECAUSE EDUCATION IS REALLY WHAT YOU'RE STRIVING FOR. I AM SURE THAT BY DIRECTION THIS COUNCIL WOULD SUGGEST THAT THAT THE STAFF THAT'S WORKING WITH YOU BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH THOSE EDUCATION TOOLS, ESPECIALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF MAYBE I MISSED THE CONVERSATION. I'M WORKING WITH THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND BEING ABLE TO BE AT THEIR ANNUAL MEETING AND BE PART OF THE CORRESPONDENCE. I KNOW THAT OUR STAFF HAS INFORMATION ABOUT SPRAYING AND THAT WE COULD COULD GIVE TO YOU TO BE ABLE TO GIVE TO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND ANY OTHER ITEMS. I WELCOME YOU TO BE SPECIFIC, WRITE IT INTO COUNCIL SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. THIS IS OUR YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S A TAXING DISTRICT. SO IT REALLY IS OUR OBLIGATION TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE SERVING THE TAXPAYERS AND BENEFITING THOSE DOLLARS TO CLEANING UP THE BAY. RIGHT. A LOT OF PARK SHORE IS NOT UNDER AN HOA. SO THE HOA YOU CAN REACH. AND THERE, THERE ARE MATERIALS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE CREATED, HOW TO GET THEM OUT TO PEOPLE. THEY'RE PROBABLY SITTING IN A BOX UNLESS SOMEONE'S REQUESTED THEM ONLINE. 
          THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL PAMPHLETS, BUT WE NEED TO GET THEM OUT TO, TO THE PEOPLE TO READ THEM. BUT LIKE I SAID, A LOT OF PARK SHORES, NOT UNDER AN HOA. SO WE STILL NEED TO REACH PEOPLE LIKE THAT. MAYBE. YEAH. YES. WELL, THERE MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE DO A TOWN HALL FOR THE 
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COMMUNITY FOR THAT EXACT PURPOSE, RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. COUNCIL. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO WELCOME YOU AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMPASSION, BECAUSE I SHARE THE SAME COMPASSION AS YOU WITH WATER QUALITY AND LOVE TO GET TOGETHER WITH YOU AND DISCUSS A LITTLE MORE PERSONALLY. ONE ON ONE. OH, THAT WOULD BE AWESOME. GREAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE KRAMER. YES. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR HAVING DONE IT. THANK YOU FOR BEING WILLING TO DO IT. AND THANK YOU FOR GETTING FIRED UP ABOUT IT. I THINK ALL THOSE ARE REALLY COMMENDABLE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. YEAH, I'VE WATCHED YOUR MEETINGS AS WELL, CYNTHIA AND I SAME, SAME THING. YOUR PASSION IS ABSOLUTELY TERRIFIC. I TRY TO HIDE IT. YOU'RE PUTTING OUT A CRY FOR HELP HERE. I THINK MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE GOT TO DISCUSS CAREFULLY. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER THOUGHTS, I WOULD CERTAINLY ARTICULATE THOSE TO US OTHER THAN VERBALLY. OKAY, MORE, MORE WE HEAR FROM YOU. THE MORE THOUGHTS YOU HAVE ON THIS, THE BETTER. SO PLEASE WRITE US. OKAY, THAT ALWAYS MAKES IT AN IMPACT. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND YOUR ENERGY. APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? DO I HAVE A MOTION? YEAH, I WILL, AND THANK YOU FOR SERVING. WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT, I KNOW CHARTERS FAR AS OFTEN TRIED TO DISTRIBUTE THAT SAME TYPE OF INFORMATION THROUGH THE MPO. 
          BUT YOU'RE RIGHT, NOT EVERYBODY'S A MEMBER IN THE MOORINGS. AND SAME THING IN PART. SURE, NOT EVERYBODY'S A MEMBER. IT HELPS A LITTLE BIT. MAYBE MONIQUE COULD DO SOMETHING CITYWIDE IN HER NEWSLETTER, LIKE SHE DOES WITH SEA TURTLES AND AND THE WATER RESTRICTIONS AND OTHER PROGRAMS. MAYBE SHE COULD HELP, BUT I MOVE THAT WE REAPPOINT CYNTHIA TO A NEW THREE YEAR TERM ON THE EAST BAY ADVISORY COMMITTEE. SECOND. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION TO REAPPOINT CYNTHIA TO THE MOORINGS BAY TAXING CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER. ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNED BY I, I OPPOSED THANK YOU. THANK YOU UNANIMOUSLY. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO CONTINUE. 
          AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SOME CHANGES FOR YOU. GREAT. I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS RAMOS. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM 14 E, MR. MCCONNELL. YES, THANK YOU. 
          MAYOR. BEFORE I ANNOUNCE MY INTENT FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION, I AM GOING TO ANNOUNCE IT FOR TOMORROW AT 9 A.M. PURSUANT TO 2-52 OF THE CITY'S CODE BY A MAJORITY VOTE OF CITY COUNCIL, A SPECIAL MEETING CAN BE SET. SO IF I COULD JUST GET A MOTION FROM COUNCIL SETTING A SPECIAL MEETING FOR TOMORROW, MAY 7TH AT 9 A.M. AND THEN I WILL ANNOUNCE MY INTENT TO HOLD AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. DO YOU NEED TO SPECIFY THE TOPIC OF THE SPECIAL MEETING? I WILL, BEFORE WE VOTE ON IT IS SPECIAL MEETING. FAIR POINT. IT IS TO SIMPLY TO HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION IN A CASE THAT I WILL READ HERE SHORTLY. THERE WILL BE NO PUBLIC COMMENT WE OR WE WILL COME IN CHAMBERS. THE AGENDA WILL BE LIMITED TO US OPENING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, COMING BACK AND CLOSING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. SO THIS IS TO HAVE A VOTE TO ADD THIS SPECIAL MEETING EXECUTIVE SESSION. AND IF IT HELPS THE PUBLIC, I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND ANNOUNCE MY INTENT TO HAVE ONE. AND THEN WE COULD END IT WITH THE MOTION SO THAT THERE'S CLARITY ON WHAT THIS MEETING ENTAILS. SO PURSUANT TO 286.011, SUBPARAGRAPH EIGHT, YOUR CITY ATTORNEY IS ANNOUNCING HIS REQUEST FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC FOR PURPOSE OF SEEKING ADVICE CONCERNING SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATIONS OR STRATEGY RELATED TO LITIGATION EXPENDITURES ASSOCIATED WITH LITIGATION. STYLED CITY OF NAPLES VERSUS CITY OF NAPLES. AIRPORT AUTHORITY ET AL. CASE NUMBER 2026-CA-1094 AND IN FOR COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA, ON MAY 7TH, 2026 AT APPROXIMATELY 9 A.M. IN THE CITY'S CONFERENCE ROOM ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF CITY HALL, THE EXECUTIVE SESSION IS EXPECTED TO LAST APPROXIMATELY 2 TO 3 HOURS. THE ENTIRE SESSION SHALL BE RECORDED BY A CERTIFIED COURT REPORTER. THE REPORTER SHALL RECORD THE TIMES OF COMMENCEMENT, TERMINATION OF THE SESSION, ALL DISCUSSION AND PROCEEDINGS, THE NAMES OF ALL PERSONS PRESENT AND THE NAMES OF ALL PERSONS SPEAKING. NO PORTION OF THE SESSION WILL BE OFF THE RECORD. COURT REPORTERS NOTES SHALL BE FULLY TRANSCRIBED AND FILED WITH THE CITY CLERK WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME AFTER THE MEETING. CITY COUNCIL WILL NOT TAKE ACTION DURING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION, BUT MAY TAKE ACTION CONCERNING SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATIONS OR STRATEGY RELATED TO LITIGATION EXPENDITURES AT A FUTURE PUBLIC MEETING FOLLOWING INDIVIDUALS WILL BE PRESENT DURING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. MAYOR TERESA HEITMANN, COUNCIL MEMBERS BILL KRAMER, LINDA PENNIMAN, BERNARD BARTON, TED BLANKENSHIP, JOHN KROLL, SCOTT SCHULTZ, CITY MANAGER GARY YOUNG, CITY 
          [02:30:03]
ATTORNEY MATTHEW MCCONNELL, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY ANDREW DICKMAN, AND A REPRESENTATIVE FROM DION'S COURT REPORTING. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE SCHEDULE A SPECIAL MEETING FOR TOMORROW, MAY 7TH AT 9 A.M. TO HOLD THE EXECUTIVE SESSION REQUESTED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL. VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP. YES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. MARTIN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KROLL. YES. 
          COUNCILMEMBER. PENMAN. YES. COUNCILMEMBER. SCHULTZ. YES. MAYOR. HEITMAN. YES. THANK YOU. 
          IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. SO THAT CONCLUDES OUR BOARDS AND COMMITTEES TAKING US TO ITEM 11, WHICH ARE ITEMS PULLED FROM THE CONSENT. WE HAVE NONE. MOVING TO ITEM 12, WHICH IS LAND USE. 
          AND THERE ARE NONE. SO THAT TAKES US TO ITEM 13, WHICH IS OLD BUSINESS. MR. YOUNG, THANK 
          [13.A) Receive Update by Johnson Engineering, City’s Engineering Consultant, on the Traffic Study Policy Changes and Provide Direction (Supplement 1/Updated Item).]
YOU MAYOR. AS ALLISON MAKES HER WAY UP, WE ALSO HAVE JOHNSON ENGINEERING THAT THIS WILL PROVIDE AN UPDATE RELATED TO THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS EMBARKED UPON ABOUT 18 MONTHS AGO, GIVE OR TAKE. BUT THIS IS THE MOST RECENT UPDATE FOR THAT. SO THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ALLISON. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL. WE ARE HERE TODAY TO PROVIDE A COMPREHENSIVE UPDATE ON THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY POLICY, A PROCESS THAT BEGAN IN EARNEST DURING OUR DECEMBER 8TH, 2025 CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP. AT THAT TIME, JOHNSON ENGINEERING PRESENTED A HIGH LEVEL VALIDATION OF OUR CURRENT TRAFFIC DATA FORECASTING MODELS AND RECOMMENDED POLICY SHIFTS. SINCE THAT MEETING, OUR DEPARTMENT HAS HELD INDIVIDUAL BRIEFINGS WITH EACH OF YOU TO ENSURE THE TECHNICAL LANGUAGE OF THE DRAFT POLICY ALIGNS WITH YOUR EXPECTATIONS OF THE CITY'S GROWTH. TODAY'S PRESENTATION REFLECTS THAT COLLABORATIVE FEEDBACK. WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO JOHNSON'S, THE JOHNSON ENGINEERING TEAM, JOSH HILDEBRAND AND LA DIJON TO DEEP DIVE INTO THE DETAILS. GOOD MORNING, GOOD MORNING. WE ARE READY TO DO OUR DEEP DIVE. IF WE CAN GET TO OUR PRESENTATION ON THE COMPUTER. THERE WE GO. I THINK HE'S GOING INTO IT NOW. THIS ONE. THERE WE GO. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANKS FOR YOUR PATIENCE AGAIN. GOOD MORNING. LAURA DEJOHN JOHNSON ENGINEERING AND APEX COMPANY HERE ALSO WITH JOSH HILDEBRAND. YOU'RE ONLY GOING TO HEAR FROM ME BRIEFLY AS I INTRODUCE THE TOPIC OF CONVERSATION. JOSH WILL GO INTO THE NITTY GRITTY DETAILS ON TRAFFIC AND TRAFFIC STUDIES. SO WHAT YOU'LL HEAR FROM US TODAY IS, FIRST, A QUICK BACKGROUND, AND THEN JOSH WILL GIVE YOU HIGHLIGHTS OF WHAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY REQUIREMENT UPDATES EXACTLY ARE. AND WE'LL GIVE YOU A BRIEFING ON NEXT STEPS. TO BE CLEAR, WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR TODAY IS THAT YOU HEAR WHERE WE ARE IN THIS DEVELOPMENT OF THIS LANGUAGE, IN YOUR CODE OF ORDINANCES, AND THAT YOU GIVE DIRECTION TO TAKE THIS TO PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO YOU FOR ACTION. SO THIS IS AN INFORMATIONAL PRESENTATION ASKING YOU TO DIRECT US THAT WE'RE GOING THE RIGHT DIRECTION, AND WE CAN PROCEED TO PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. AND THEN BACK TO YOU FOR FOR FINAL DECISION. 
          SO ALLISON GAVE A BRIEF BACKGROUND. WE KICKED OFF THIS PROJECT A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO. ABOUT A YEAR AGO IN JUNE, WE TOLD YOU BRIEFLY WHERE THE FIRST PHASE OF THE PROJECT, WHAT THE STATUS WAS, IS. THIS IS A KIND OF A DUAL DIRECTION PROJECT. THERE IS A LOT OF TRAFFIC DATA COLLECTION AND NUMBER CRUNCHING AND ANALYSIS BEING DONE ON THE CONDITIONS OF THE ROADS AND THE CONDITIONS OF BACKGROUND TRAFFIC ON NAPLES CITY STREETS. WHILE THE PRESENTATION TODAY FOCUSES ON THE POLICY SIDE, WHERE THE DISCUSSION TODAY IS ABOUT WHAT TO DO WITH THAT DATA AND HOW TO CALIBRATE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND FUTURE GROWTH THROUGH A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY REVIEW PROCESS THAT IS REQUIRED OF OF DEVELOPERS. YOU HEARD THIS ONCE 
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BEFORE. IF YOU WERE ON COUNCIL BACK IN DECEMBER 2025, BECAUSE WE HAD SOME NEW MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, THE ONE ON ONES WERE THEN ENGAGED SO EARLY THIS YEAR. THE PAST COUPLE OF MONTHS WE'VE TALKED WITH CITY STAFF AND WITH YOU ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THIS TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, POLICY CHANGE. HERE WE ARE TODAY, LETTING YOU KNOW HOW ALL THAT WENT, THAT WE FEEL SATISFIED THAT WE HAVE GOOD DIRECTION. WE HAVE GOOD CLEAN DRAFT DOCUMENT. AND AGAIN, IF YOU AGREE WITH US, THEN YOU'LL GIVE US DIRECTION TO MOVE THIS FORWARD TO A PAB REVIEW. AND THEN WE WOULD SEE YOU AGAIN BEFORE OCTOBER 1ST IN COUNCIL FIRST AND SECOND READING OF THIS PROPOSED ORDINANCE. SO A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY. WE JUST WANT TO LAY THE GROUND RULES OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. IT'S AN ANALYSIS FOR ANY TYPE OF NEW DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT PROPOSED IN THE CITY. ANY APPLICANT LOOKING TO DO DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT MUST HAVE AN ENGINEER WHO MUST GENERATE A REPORT THAT ACCOUNTS FOR TRAFFIC GENERATED BY THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, AND SPECIFICALLY HOW THAT ADDRESS HOW THAT IMPACTS A STUDY AREA DEFINED IN A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY. THESE REQUIREMENTS HAVE EXISTED IN YOUR CODE FOR QUITE SOME TIME. 
          THEY JUST HAVE NOT BEEN UPDATED TO KEEP UP WITH CHANGES IN TECHNOLOGY. AND, YOU KNOW, THE ADVANCEMENTS IN THE ABILITY TO STUDY AND ANALYZE THIS INFORMATION. SO YOUR CODE OF ORDINANCES ALREADY HAS TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY GUIDELINES ADOPTED IN 2006. AND OUR EXERCISE IS TO REFINE AND UPDATE THEM. THIS IS PART OF THAT LARGER DOWNTOWN TRAFFIC STUDY PROJECT THAT BEGAN LAST YEAR, AND BY THE END OF THIS YEAR IS OUR GOAL. TO WRAP UP ALL THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS STUDY. SO ALL I WANTED TO INFORM YOU ABOUT ABOUT THE NEW DOCUMENT AND THE NEW TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY REQUIREMENTS IS WE ARE PROPOSING THEM IS THAT WE DID AT THE ADVICE OF YOUR CITY MANAGER AND STAFF, TRY TO MAKE THIS CLEANER, NEATER, MORE ORGANIZED. SO NOW THERE IS A PURPOSE AND APPLICABILITY SECTION AT THE TOP. THERE'S A DESCRIPTION OF THE TYPES OF TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDIES THAT ARE MEASURED BASED ON THE MAGNITUDE OF THE PROJECT. THERE'S THE REVIEW PROCEDURES THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, SPELLED OUT VERY CAREFULLY IN COORDINATION WITH YOUR WITH ALISON AND YOUR STAFF TO MAKE SURE THE INFORMATION THE CITY IS GOING TO GET FROM DEVELOPERS IS EXACTLY WHAT THE CITY NEEDS TO EVALUATE AND WANTS TO WANTS TO SEE. FINALLY, THE TRAFFIC STUDY FORMAT AND CONTENT IS SPELLED OUT SO THAT NOT ONLY DOES THE CITY KNOW WHAT IT'S GETTING, BUT THE APPLICANT IS GOING TO BE FOLLOWING A STRICT SET OF FORMATTING CRITERIA FOR THEIR STUDY. WITH THAT, NOW, JOSH WILL DESCRIBE SOME OF THE MORE TECHNICAL DETAILS IN. GOOD MORNING. I'M JOSHUA BRAND WITH JOHNSON ENGINEERING AND APEX COMPANY. I'M A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER THAT SPECIALIZES IN ROADWAY AND TRAFFIC ENGINEERING. WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS GO OVER SOME OF THOSE MAJOR UPDATES AND THEN OPEN IT UP TO COUNCIL IF THERE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS. BUT JUST TOUCHING ON THE FIRST HIGHLIGHT WOULD BE WE ARE PROPOSING THE INTRODUCTION OF REVIEW FOR REVIEW FEES AS PART OF A PROGRESSIVE TIS REVIEW PROCESS. IN SPEAKING WITH THE CITY MANAGER. THIS WOULD LIKELY BE EFFECTIVE IF A. IF ADOPTED. OCTOBER 1ST, 2026. IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, IT DOES OUTLINE ADDITIONAL RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHO PREPARES THE TIS AND ALSO WHETHER STAFF OR A THIRD PARTY CONSULTANT WILL BE ASSISTING STAFF IN THE REVIEW OF THAT. TO THAT POINT, THE FIRST BULLET THE APPLICANT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PREPARING THE TIS FOR CITY REVIEW, BUT ONE ADDITION IS THE TIS IT DOES. OR THE CODE DOES SPECIFY THAT IT MUST BE PREPARED BY A LICENSED ENGINEER WITH A MINIMUM OF FIVE YEARS EXPERIENCE, SIGNED AND SEALED WITH SPECIFIC EXPERIENCE IN URBANIZED AREAS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. ADDITIONALLY, LAURA TOUCHED ON THE. THAT THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL TYPES OF TIS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT REVIEW FEE, WE ARE PROPOSING FOUR LEVELS, THE FIRST BEING A DE MINIMIS ACTIVITY AND THEN FOLLOWED BY A SMALL, MINOR AND MAJOR SCALE TIS, WHICH I'LL GO INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL. ALL FOUR CATEGORIES WILL BE BASED OFF OF TRIP GENERATION, CURRENT CODE WAS BASED ON ACREAGE AS OPPOSED TO THE ACTUAL GENERATION OF A PROPOSED 
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SITE. SO DE MINIMIS WOULD BE ANY PROPOSED SITE GENERATING TEN OR FEWER NET NEW TRIPS DURING THE EITHER THE AM OR PM PEAK HOUR. SO IT WOULD BE THE WORST OF THE WORST CASE OF THE TWO, FOLLOWED BY A SMALL SCALE TRAFFIC STUDY. THIS IS FOR ANY SITE THAT HAS LESS THAN 50 NET NEW TWO WAY AM OR PM PEAK HOUR TRIPS. WHAT THAT WOULD THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IS, SAY, A A SMALLER, CASUAL TYPE DINING FACILITY OR RESTAURANT THAT'S BETWEEN ONE AND AND MAYBE 3000FT■!S. JUST TO GIVE AN ORDER OF MAGNITUDE. THE NEXT TIER WOULD BE A MINOR SCALE TIS THIS WOULD BE BETWEEN 50 AND 99 NET NEW TWO WAY AM OR PM PEAK HOUR TRIPS. ALSO, AS PART OF THIS SCALE, IT WOULD ALSO BE LOOKING AT THE BUILD OUT OF THE SITE, PLUS A FIVE YEAR PLANNING HORIZON. THIS WOULD BE GENERALLY AGAIN BASED OFF TRIPS, BUT WE COULD EXPECT A WALGREENS OR CVS WOULD BE THE TYPE OF FACILITY YOU CAN EXPECT. JUST TO GIVE COUNCIL AN IDEA OF WHAT TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD INCLUDE. AND THEN FINALLY, A MAJOR SCALE TIS. THIS IS FOR ANYTHING OVER 100 OR MORE NET NEW TWO WAY AM OR PM PEAK HOUR TRIPS IN THIS CATEGORY. IT WOULD ALSO BE LOOKING AT A LONGER PLANNING HORIZON. SO IT WOULD BE THE BUILD OUT OF A SITE, PLUS A TEN YEAR PROJECTION. THIS COULD RANGE ANY ANYWHERE FROM A HIGH TURNOVER FAST FOOD RESTAURANT WITH, SAY, MULTIPLE MULTIPLE DRIVE THRU LANES ALL THE WAY TO A LARGE MULTI USE DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD COVER PART OR EVEN A WHOLE CITY BLOCK. ADDITIONAL HIGHLIGHTS AND THAT WE WANTED TO BRING UP. SO CODE CURRENTLY LOOKS AT TWO WAY ROADWAY. THIS WOULD BE CARS GOING BOTH DIRECTIONS. IN DISCUSSING WITH STAFF WE ARE RECOMMENDING THAT IT BE LOOKED AT FROM A DIRECTIONAL STANDPOINT. BASICALLY YOU'RE DRIVING INTO THE CITY IN THE MORNING AND LEAVING IN THE AFTERNOON. IT WOULD BE ANALYZING STREETS AND INTERSECTIONS FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. ALSO REQUIRING THAT THE ANALYSIS BE BASED OFF THE PEAK SEASON OR ADJUSTING PLANNED TRIPS TO THE PEAK SEASON DURING THAT PEAK HOUR PEAK DIRECTION. AS PART OF THE ANALYSIS. ALSO, ANY ANALYSIS FOR A DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS MULTIPLE PHASES, IT DOES HAVE A REQUIREMENT THAT IF YOU ARE ANALYZING THE INITIAL PHASE, YOU ALSO HAVE TO PROVIDE INFORMATION ON THE CUMULATIVE TRIPS FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT. IF IT IS A PLANNED PHASE DEVELOPMENT, THERE'S ALSO ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE BEING INTRODUCED THAT DEFINES THE STUDY AREA BASED OFF OF THE IMPACTED STREETS AND IMPACTED INTERSECTIONS THAT ARE ATTRIBUTED TO THE NUMBER OF TRIPS OR IMPACT FOR A PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT. AND THEN FINALLY, THE ANALYSIS WILL ALSO REQUIRE VERIFICATION FOR EITHER EXTENDING OR ADDING TURN LANES AS PART OF THE TIS. AND THEN, IN ADDITION TO THE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS ITSELF, THERE ARE THREE OTHER THINGS THAT I JUST WANTED TO TOUCH ON BEFORE WE WRAP UP. THE TIS MUST INCLUDE ANALYSIS OF MULTI-MODAL FACILITIES OR MICROMOBILITY AS IT IS A ADOPTED BY COUNCIL, AND THEN FOR LARGER SCALE TRAFFIC STUDIES, ALL INTERSECTIONS DO WILL REQUIRE A CRASH SUMMARY AND REVIEW OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS. LOOKING BACK AT A FIVE YEAR, FIVE YEAR HISTORY AND THEN INTERNAL CIRCULATION AND QUEUING PLAN IS ALSO GOING TO BE REQUIRED FOR ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS SOME SORT OF ON SITE QUEUING, WHETHER THAT BE A DRIVE THROUGH OR A PICK UP DROP OFF TYPE FACILITY THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE PROVIDED AND REVIEWED BY STAFF. SO IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY IMPACTS THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY SPILL BACK OR PROHIBIT TRAFFIC FROM FROM ENTERING THE SITE. SO JUST TO RECAP, LAURA WENT OVER HOW HOW WE GOT HERE. WE'RE HERE TODAY TO GO OVER THE FINAL DRAFT TRAFFIC STUDY REQUIREMENTS, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, AND THEN IF THAT IS ACCEPTED, MOVE FORWARD WITH PAB IN THE FOLLOWING MONTHS AND THEN WRAPPING UP BEFORE THE END OF SEPTEMBER, THE FIRST AND SECOND READING. SO WITH THAT, I THANK YOU AND BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. 
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COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. HAVE YOU CONSIDERED IN YOUR STUDIES THE USE OF ONE WAY STREETS, ON THE STREETS VERSUS THE AVENUES TO TRY TO CLEAR TRAFFIC AND MAKE IT MORE MORE ACTUALLY MORE FUNCTIONAL SPECIFICALLY? AND IS THIS REFERRING TO THE THE DOWNTOWN STUDY OUTSIDE OF THE THE POLICY CHANGES? I THINK IT'D BE PRIMARILY MORE TOWARDS DOWNTOWN TO GOLF DRIVE SOUTH. WE ARE STILL IN THE PROCESS OF EVALUATING PARTS OF THE TRAFFIC AS PART OF THE INDEPENDENT TRAFFIC STUDY, WHICH WILL ALSO BE A FINAL DELIVERABLE AS PART OF THIS PROCESS. IF THERE IS A DESIRE TO TO LOOK AT THAT, WE CERTAINLY COULD ANALYZE THAT AS PART OF IT. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, CURRENTLY OUR ANALYSIS IS NOT CONTEMPLATING ONE WAY, ONE WAY STREETS AS IT STANDS. IS THERE A REASON THAT YOU WON'T EVEN CONSIDER IT? WE JUST WE DIDN'T DO THAT TYPE OF ANALYSIS AS PART OF THE STUDY. WE WERE WE WEREN'T LOOKING AT IMPROVEMENTS THAT CURRENTLY THAT CHANGE TRAFFIC PATTERNS. BUT IF THERE'S A DESIRE WE COULD. WHY DON'T YOU ENLIGHTEN US ON WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? THIS IS SPECIFICALLY THE TRAFFIC STUDY COMPONENT OF THAT. THAT'S IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE POLICY. WE DID BUILD A TRAFFIC MODEL THAT EVALUATED THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF THE ROADS, AND ALSO PROJECTED TRAFFIC CONDITIONS OF THE ROADS THROUGH A TEN YEAR HORIZON. WE DID NOT ANALYZE, CURRENTLY ANALYZE ANY SCENARIOS THAT CONTEMPLATED WIDENING ROADS OR MAKING THEM DIRECTIONAL. AS PART OF THAT, TO CLARIFY. OKAY, KRAMER, JUST TO BE CLEAR THAT WHILE IT'S IMPORTANT, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR STUDY RIGHT HERE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR NEW POLICY. AM I CORRECT IN THAT THAT IS NOT AN AGENDA ITEM TODAY? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO WE CAN JUST FOCUS ON THE POLICY PART. THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE AWESOME. ANYONE ELSE? YOU KNOW, PART OF THIS FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ANALYSIS IS KIND OF INTERESTING BECAUSE WE'VE GOT VARIANCES BEING PASSED FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS ALLOWED 25 UNITS PER ACRE ALL OF A SUDDEN BECOMES 300 UNITS AN ACRE, YOU KNOW, SO HOW DOES THAT WORK? I MEAN, LIKE IN PROJECTING ALL THE CROSS BORDER DEVELOPMENT THAT AFFECTS OUR ROADS, HOW DO YOU TIE THAT ALL IN WHERE YOU HAVE ACCURATE DATA? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S KIND OF A CHALLENGE. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THE HARD DATA THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH NOW. AND I IMAGINE THAT HARD DATA IS, IS THAT LIKE A FULL YEAR'S WORTH OF DATA YOU'RE USING OR JUST THIS HIGH SEASON YOU MENTIONED? YEAH, AND THAT'S AN EXCELLENT QUESTION. AND THAT IS PART OF THE SHIFT AWAY FROM THE SIZE OF ACREAGE, AS WHETHER A TRAFFIC STUDY WOULD BE A MINOR OR A LARGE ONE BASED OFF OF ACREAGE. AS FAR AS THE I'M GOING TO TOUCH ON ON BOTH POINTS, BUT AS FAR AS THE BACKGROUND TRAFFIC OR TO ACCOUNT FOR WHAT'S ALREADY ON THE NETWORK, THERE IS LANGUAGE IN THERE THAT REQUIRES ALL DATA. 
          ANY DATA THAT'S OLDER THAN ONE YEAR IN TIME, NEW DATA NEEDS TO BE COLLECTED. IF IT'S NOT AVAILABLE BY THE CITY COUNCIL, THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE TO COLLECT THEIR OWN DATA WITHIN THAT AREA OF INFLUENCE THAT THEY'RE IMPACTING THE NETWORK. AND THEN ALSO, THAT WAS WHY THERE IS NOW A A PHASED APPROACH TO THE TIS BEING AT DE MINIMIS FOR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE MAYBE FOR FOR VILLAS WOULD PROBABLY WELL WOULD BE DE MINIMIS UNDER THIS. BUT THOSE LARGER, MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENTS WOULD BE UNDER A LOT MORE SCRUTINY AND HAVE TO LOOK AT A LOT LONGER PLANNING HORIZON AS PART OF THAT. SO AGAIN, IF IT'S AS INTENSE AS YOU CAN GET ON A ONE ACRE SITE, IT STILL DOESN'T NEGATE IF YOU DO PUT A LOT OF INTENSITY ON THAT. YOU HAVE TO DO A LARGER, MORE COMPREHENSIVE TRAFFIC ANALYSIS UNDER UNDER THIS POLICY, WE ALSO HAVE A TREND THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF TRANSIENT LODGING IN NEW HOTELS IN THE AREA. I MEAN, MORE THAN THERE'S A LOT ON THE PLATE RIGHT NOW. AND I IMAGINE THAT THE TRAFFIC FROM FROM ONE SINGLE HOTEL, LIKE WHAT DOES THE MARRIOTT BRING MEAN IN YOUR EXPERIENCE? HOW MUCH MORE OF AN IMPACT IS THAT VERSUS A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY THERE? SO HOW THAT'S ESTABLISHED? THERE ARE NATIONAL STANDARDS ON ON TRIP GENERATION FOR A HOTEL VERSUS, SAY, A 
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SINGLE FAMILY OR MULTI-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. BUT THERE'S, THERE'S COMPREHENSIVE DATA THAT BASED OFF OF THE NUMBER OF ROOMS, IT, IT GENERALLY IDENTIFIES HOW MUCH TRAFFIC SHOULD BE ANTICIPATED. THERE IS LANGUAGE THAT HAS BEEN ADDED THAT IF THERE IS A TRAFFIC GENERATING DEVELOPMENT THAT WE DON'T BELIEVE FALLS IN LINE WITH SOME ACCEPTABLE INSTITUTE OF TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERS OR ITE TRIP GENERATION, THEY. THEY DO HAVE TO PROVIDE OR CAN PROVIDE TRIP GENERATION ANALYSIS BASED OFF OF THREE SIMILAR SITES, JUST TO PROTECT THE INTEGRITY OF THE TRIP GENERATION. SO THERE IS MECHANISMS BUILT IN TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S VETTED FOR THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS. LIKE A LOT OF THE ROADS, LIKE R, C TYPE OF GRADE TRAFFIC STUDIES. I MEAN, ARE WE VULNERABLE HERE? I MEAN, WE, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE NEW STUFF HAPPENING, DO YOU SEE WHAT'S YOUR FEELING ON THAT AS FAR AS THE SEAS GOING DOWN A NOTCH PRETTY QUICKLY ON THE CESAR, YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE LEVEL OF SERVICE C ON THE ROADWAY. AND AGAIN, THAT'S SEPARATE FROM WHAT WE'RE HERE TO, TO TALK ABOUT TODAY. BUT IT WILL BE COMING BACK ON THE TRAFFIC, THE DOWNTOWN TRAFFIC STUDY THAT'S BEING DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THIS. BUT WE ARE LOOKING AT PROJECTED LEVEL OF SERVICE ON SOME OF THE CORRIDORS. ONE THING WE ARE LOOKING AT AND ALSO RECOMMENDING AS PART OF THIS POLICY, IS LOOKING AT IT FROM A DIRECTIONAL PERSPECTIVE. YOU HAVE MORE CARS GOING WEST IN THE MORNING AS OPPOSED TO LOOKING AT THE ROAD FROM FROM BOTH DIRECTIONS. SO THAT LOOKING AT THAT PEAK HOUR, WORST CASE MOVEMENT, I THINK WILL WILL SHOW HELP DEMONSTRATE THE IMPACTS. AND IF THERE ARE ANY IMPROVEMENTS OR ADVERSE CONDITIONS CREATED BY A DEVELOPMENT, IT'LL IT'LL COME TO LIGHT IN THAT TRAFFIC STUDY BY LOOKING AT THAT WORST CASE MOVEMENT. OKAY. SO YOU FEEL YOUR PROPOSAL HERE COVERS THOSE THINGS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT. THAT'S CORRECT. YES. OKAY. OKAY. AND I MIGHT ADD, JUST QUICKLY ON PAGE FIVE OF TEN TO YOUR OTHER COMMENT THAT WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE IMPACTS FROM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS. 
          THERE WAS LANGUAGE THAT WAS INCORPORATED IN ON PAGE FIVE. IT'S B FOUR THAT INDICATES IT'S HIGHLIGHTED THE AREA OF STUDY SHALL CONSIDER AND INCLUDE CONTRIBUTING TRAFFIC FLOWS FROM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY LIMITS WHERE APPLICABLE. AND THAT WAS INCORPORATED IN ACTUALLY WITH ALSO WITH FEEDBACK FROM DOCTOR DOCTOR GEORGE. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS CONSIDERED AND, AND APPLICABLE AS PART OF THIS REVIEW. I HAVE NOT QUITE I HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN. SO WE'RE WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF OPTIONS HERE AS I SEE IT, ONE OF WHICH IS WE CONTINUE TO LOOK AT PROJECTS AS WE HAD BEFORE. NO CHANGES. AND THEN THE SECOND WOULD BE THAT THE CITY HIRE PERHAPS AN INDEPENDENT AND MAYBE PAY FOR. OR THE. CERTAINLY THE, THE PERSON THAT IS PRESENTING THE PROJECT COULD HIRE THAT PARTICULAR PERSON THAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND AND PROCEED FROM THERE. CORRECT. I'M HERE'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT. I'VE NEVER MET A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS EVER GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GETTING. INFORMATION THAT IS UNBIASED. COUNCILWOMAN, HOW CAN WE HOW IF THAT'S IF THAT IS THE CASE, HOW DO WE NAVIGATE THAT? IF I'M IF I MAY, I WOULD SAY ONE OF THE MOST CRITICAL POINTS OF OUR RECENT DISCUSSIONS THAT I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT HAS BEEN DETERMINING THE EFFECT OF MODEL FOR CONDUCTING THESE STUDIES. SPECIFICALLY, SHOULD THE CITY HIRE THE CONSULTANT AT THE DEVELOPER'S EXPENSE, OR SHOULD THE DEVELOPER HIRE THE CONSULTANT FOR THE CITY? RIGHT. FOR REVIEW, RIGHT AFTER WEIGHING THE THE REALLY THE LEGAL AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT, THE DEPARTMENT HAS RECOMMENDED THE DEVELOPER LED CITY REVIEW MODEL, BUT WITH WHAT IS BEING ADDED WITH SIGNIFICANTLY SHARPENED TEETH IN THESE REVIEWS, WHILE HAVING THE CITY HIRE THE CONSULTANT MAY SEEM MORE OBJECTIVE ON. THE REALITY IS THAT IT CREATES A MASSIVE ADMINISTRATIVE BOTTLENECK, I 
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BELIEVE, ON THE OTHER END, AND IT PLACES THE CITY IN THE MIDDLE OF CONTRACTING DISPUTES INCREASES OUR LIABILITY. IF A STUDY IS FLAWED AND DRAINS OUR STAFF TIME, THAT SHOULD REALLY BE SPENT ON OVERSIGHT OF THESE REVIEWS. INSTEAD, WE ARE REALLY PROPOSING A MODEL WHERE THE DEVELOPER HIRES A PROFESSIONAL, BUT WE'RE ABLE TO STRENGTHEN OUR POLICY REQUIREMENTS. SO THERE IS ZERO ROOM FOR FUDGED DATA. AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THESE ARE PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS, OF COURSE, AND THEY'RE BOUND BY STRICT CODE OF ETHICS. SO TO ADD A FINAL LAYER OF PROTECTION, OUR UPDATED LANGUAGE DOES GRANT STAFF THE AUTHORITY TO BRING IN A THIRD PARTY QUALIFIED TRAFFIC ENGINEER TO AUDIT THE DEVELOPER'S REPORT WHEREVER NECESSARY. SO THAT IS BUILT IN. AND THERE'S ALSO THE FEE SCHEDULE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP BY JOSH EARLIER. SO THE THIRD PARTY SET OF EYES WILL BE AN ABSOLUTE GOING FORWARD. WE HAVE THAT. WE HAVE THAT ABILITY AS PART OF YES, WE HAVE THAT ABILITY. THEY WILL BE PAYING. 
          AND THAT THAT I DO RELY ON IN SOME INSTANCES WHERE ALREADY. BUT IT'S IT'S PAID FROM OUR ACCOUNTS WITH THIS. IT WILL PROVIDE IT WILL REQUIRE THE DEVELOPER TO PAY FOR THAT, THAT ADDITIONAL REVIEW ASSISTANCE THAT WE, WE NEED ON OUR SIDE, OUR HIGHER. HE'S PAYING. YES. 
          OKAY. YES. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. COMPLETE. I HAVE BLANKENSHIP. AND GOOD POINTS. 
          THANKS FOR BRINGING THAT UP. YES, SIR. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE VERY FIRST ITEM. TIS REQUIREMENTS. A T A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY SHALL BE REQUIRED AT THE DETERMINATION OF THE CITY. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHO, WHO AND WHEN AND HOW? IS THAT? THE CITY MANAGER IS THAT THE CITY ENGINEER? IS THAT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WHO DETERMINES. OKAY, YOU NEED TO DO A TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY. AND BECAUSE THEN YOU HAVE TO GET THE DATA TO DETERMINE IF IT'S IN MINOR OR MAJOR ET-CETERA. RIGHT. WELL, IT IS TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY SUBMIT IN A TRAFFIC GENERATION REPORT, AND THAT IS BASED ON THE NATIONAL GUIDELINES. IT IT STANDARDS TYPICALLY BASED ON WHAT THAT SITE MIGHT GENERATE. AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE GENERATION NUMBERS AND DETERMINE BASED ON WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN, THE TIS TYPES, AND WHETHER IT WOULD TRIGGER DE MINIMIS SMALL SCALE, MINOR SCALE, MAJOR SCALE. AND I, AND EVEN IN SOME CASES ALREADY, WITH THE WAY THAT THE LANGUAGE IS WRITTEN, IT ALSO. WE HAVE SOME AUTHORITY TO. IF IT IF IT MAY EVEN BE DE MINIMIS OR MAY NOT TRIGGER. I THINK WE'VE HAD THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO BE FLEXIBLE AND ALSO SAY, I STILL, I STILL WANT TO SEE A TIS FOR THIS BECAUSE I STILL HAVE SOME SPECIFIC CONCERNS. SO THAT FLEXIBILITY, I BELIEVE IS BUILT IN. PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. JOSH. NO, AND THAT THAT'S CORRECT. AND FOR MINOR AND MAJOR SCALE STUDIES, IT IT'S MANDATORY THAT THERE IS A METHODOLOGY MEETING WITH STAFF TO WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE TO MEET WITH WITH ALISON FOR THOSE LARGER SCALE STUDIES. THAT'S FINE. I, I GUESS I'M GETTING AT THE DE MINIMIS, YOU KNOW, HOW SOMEBODY COULD SKATE BY WITHOUT GETTING ONE BECAUSE THEY'LL SAY IT'S DE MINIMIS AND THERE'S NO REAL IMPACT. HOW DO WE POTENTIALLY CHALLENGE THAT OR MAKE SURE IT REALLY IS DE MINIMIS AND NOT FUDGED, AS YOU SAID? I MEAN, I THINK WE HAVE AND AND I WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT THAT AND SAY, DOES THIS MAKE SENSE AS I DO NOW, IF THERE'S THERE'S CASES. AND THEN ON THE FLIP SIDE, IF THERE'S A CASE, AND I THINK I'VE BROUGHT UP IN SOME OF THE MEETINGS WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS A LOCATION THAT WAS DEMOLISHED BASED ON A, YOU KNOW, FROM HURRICANE DAMAGE THEY REBUILT, THEY MAY HAVE REBUILT MAYBE ONE MORE BUILDING OR ONE MORE UNIT IN THAT BUILDING. MY EYES DE MINIMIS. DO THEY REALLY NEED TO, TO, TO IMPACT? BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING, IF THERE'S SOME QUESTION ABOUT ABOUT IT IN THE CASE, I USUALLY, I USUALLY OPT TO GO AHEAD AND REQUEST A TIS IF IT IF IT MAKES SENSE IN THE CASE THAT IT'S BEEN PREEXISTING, THERE'S NOT THAT IMPACT. AND IT'S THE PROJECT SITES GENERALLY ARE VERY MINIMAL IMPACT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK THAT THAT MAKES SENSE. BUT I THINK WE HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY AND BE ABLE TO MAKE THE DECISIONS, IF NEED BE. IN THE CASES WHERE IT SEEMS EVIDENT THERE MIGHT BE MORE TRAFFIC IMPACTS IN THAT AREA. OKAY, IT MIGHT JUST LOOK AT THE WORDING TO MAKE SURE 
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IT'S CLEAR IT'S THE CITY'S DISCRETION AND NOT THE DEVELOPER COULD SAY, YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S DE MINIMIS. YOU KNOW. THAT'S FAIR. YES. 
          THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. GOOD QUESTION. I HAVE YOU I HAVE BARTON, I MEAN KRAMER AND THEN BARTON. SHE GETS US MIXED UP. I KNOW THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU AND STAFF DOCTOR G. OUR MEETINGS. MY MEETING WAS FANTASTIC. I MEAN IT WAS JUST REALLY WELL THOUGHT OUT. IT WAS. WE DIDN'T WASTE TIME. VERY ORGANIZED. AND THIS IS SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN OUR POLICY. I MEAN SIGNIFICANT THE THAT I THINK WILL GO ALONG WITH ALL OF US OUT HERE IN EVERY TRAFFIC STUDY. YEAH. THUMBS UP. RIGHT. WE'RE GOING NO. HOW DOES THAT HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE? THIS WILL CHANGE THAT. AND I KNOW WITH THAT HOTEL AND SOMEBODY JUST TALKED ABOUT THE VICE MAYOR AND MAYOR HAD AN ISSUE AND VOTED AGAINST IT BASED ON TRAFFIC CONCERNS. WELL, I HAD THE SAME CONCERNS, BUT OUR POLICY WAS BEING FOLLOWED. SO THIS IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT ENCHILADA. IT'S VERY PRACTICAL. IT'S VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD, AND IT'S VERY COMMON SENSE. BY THE SAME TOKEN, IT'S ALSO IT'S A WHOLE NEW DEAL, WHOLE NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN WHEN IT COMES TO TRAFFIC. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PERFECT, BUT I THINK IT'S FANTASTIC AS IT IS. I THINK VICE MAYOR JUST BROUGHT UP A GOOD POINT. THERE MAY BE SOME MORE FINE TUNING TO DO, BUT JUST KUDOS TO YOU ALL FOR FOR GIVING US WHAT WE ASKED FOR. 
          LIKE THIS IS YOU'RE CHECKING A WHOLE BUNCH OF BOXES OF THINGS THAT WE'VE HAD QUESTIONS SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL. SO THANKS VERY MUCH. MATT BARTON. JUST TOUCH JUST REAL QUICK ON COUNCILMAN COLE'S COMMENTS, WHICH WERE ACCURATE. SORRY, MY MY LAPTOP SHUT DOWN HERE FOR A SECOND. SO THE, YOU KNOW, THE FRUSTRATING THING IS WE'RE MAKING THE EFFORT HERE TO, TO PUT AN EMPHASIS ON TRAFFIC, WHICH WE SHOULD FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. AND WE'RE IMPLEMENTING THIS TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY PROCESS. THE FRUSTRATING THING IS, IS THAT OUR PROCESSES CAN'T BE APPLIED TO THE COUNTY'S PROCESSES. SO THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT WAY TO THINK THAT TRAFFIC AFFECTS WHATEVER. YOU KNOW, I'M POINTING THAT WAY BECAUSE METROPOLITAN IS OVER THERE AND THE NEW HOTEL IS OVER THERE AND THEY'RE THEY OBVIOUSLY FELT THAT THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH OF AN IMPACT TRAFFIC IMPACT THAT TO PREVENT THOSE PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENTS FROM GOING RIGHT UP ON OUR ON OUR BORDER AND INTO TO FURTHER THE FRUSTRATION. AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT A GOOD THING. BUT A PART OF THIS PROCESS IS THAT THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER MUST CONSIDER TRAFFIC GENERATED BY NEW DEVELOPMENT AND HOW IT IMPACTS ROADS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. THAT INCLUDES NEW DEVELOPMENTS OUTSIDE OF THE CITY. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY, SO NOW WHAT WE'VE GOT IS WE'VE GOT THE COUNTY PUTTING METROPOLITAN OVER THERE WITH, WITH ALL OF THE THE TRAFFIC IMPACT THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAVE ON OUR CITY. AND NOW OUR DEVELOPERS WITHIN THE CITY THAT WANT TO DO SOMETHING WITHIN THE CITY, THEY ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY WHAT THE COUNTY IS PUTTING ON OUR BORDER. SO IT'S REALLY NOT A JUST A CLARIFICATION AND A STATEMENT OF FRUSTRATION THAT ONCE AGAIN, WHATEVER GOES ON OUR BORDER IS IMPACTING US, NOT NOT JUST FROM A STANDPOINT OF TRAFFIC AND THE FACT THAT OUR OUR WATER IS SUPPLYING SERVICE AND THE FACT THAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT IS APPLYING SERVICE AND THE FACT THAT OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT IS APPLYING, APPLYING SERVICE, BUT NOW IT'S ALSO IMPACTING HOW WE ARE ABLE TO REDEVELOP OUR OWN COMMUNITY. YEAH, VERY, VERY FRUSTRATING. WHICH BOILS BACK DOWN TO THE THE DISCUSSIONS EARLIER ABOUT WE REALLY NEED TO INCREASE AND IMPROVE OUR COMMUNICATION WITH THE COUNTY AND TRY TO DO THESE AS A HOLISTIC APPROACH AND NOT, OH, WE CAN DO THIS RIGHT ON THE BORDER BECAUSE WE, OUR, OUR POLICIES SAY WE CAN. AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THEIR POLICIES DO. AGAIN. SO MORE AND MORE OF A STATEMENT AND FRUSTRATION, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS STATED AS CLEARLY AND CONCISELY AS POSSIBLE AS WE PROCEED WITH EXACTLY WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING HERE. SO AGAIN, I APPLAUD YOU GUYS. THIS IS THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING. WE NEED TO BE PUTTING THESE TYPES OF GUARDRAILS IN PLACE. WE JUST NEED COOPERATION WITH OUR PARTNER IN THE COUNTY AS WELL. WELL STATED. THANK YOU. AND NEEDED. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ. YES. IN MY MANY YEARS OF LIFE, I GREW UP ON THE DOWN RIVER SIDE OF DETROIT, AND THEN I WENT TO MICHIGAN STATE AND COLLEGE TOWN WITH ITS OWN PROBLEMS. AND WHAT I WAS ABLE TO LEARN AND LIVE WAS THE ABILITY TO HAVE ONE WAY STREETS. 
          GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC, THE INCREASE IN TRAFFIC THAT WE SUFFER, IN PARTICULAR OVER FOUR SPECIFIC MONTHS, THAT TO NOT EVEN CONSIDER IT GIVEN I SAW THE POSITIVE IMPACT IT HAD IN 
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JUST MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD AS A KID GROWING UP, THERE WAS NO PLACE TO PARK. AND SO THE ONE WAY, ONE WAY, AND GIVEN THE HALF ROADS, IT WASN'T THAT MUCH OF AN INCONVENIENCE TO GO HALF, HALF A BLOCK OR A BLOCK AWAY, TO NOT EVEN CONSIDER HOW THAT COULD IMPACT AND HELP OUR TRAFFIC FLOWS, I THINK IS A FATALLY FLAWED SITUATION. IT'S NOT EVEN LOOK AT IT OR CONSIDER IT. I JUST THINK THAT'S VERY SHORTSIGHTED. THANK YOU. I'LL COMMENT ON THAT. IF YOU DON'T MIND. I AGREE WITH YOU. I HEAR WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, IS HOW TO DO THE ANALYSIS. AND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS POSSIBLE CHANGES TO IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC. SO I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU. AND IT MAY BE IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED. IT'S NOT I MEAN, IT'S ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE TODAY FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, OF, OF HOW WE ARE ANALYZING MOVING FORWARD. BUT PERHAPS WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS ALSO CONSIDER CHANGES IN THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS OR FLOWS. AND MAYBE SOMEBODY A LOT SMARTER THAN ME WHEN IT COMES TO TRANSPORTATION AND TRAFFIC, BUT MAYBE ONE WAY, ONE WAY SYSTEM IS, IS, IS, WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, OBVIOUSLY, BUT IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED, THEN, THEN IT'S CERTAINLY THE EXPERTS THAT WE HAVE ON IN HAND AND ON HAND SHOULD SHOULD BE CONSIDERING IT, I AGREE. OKAY. COMPLETE. OKAY. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT YOU MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING ABOUT MICRO-MOBILITY AND MICRO TRANSIT. WHAT WAS THAT REFERENCE? THAT REFERENCE WAS THAT IT NEEDS TO BE TOUCHED UPON IN THE TIS, BUT BASED OFF OF CURRENT POLICY THAT'S ADOPTED BY BY COUNCIL. SO IT'S NOT SPECIFIC ANALYSIS, BUT IT IS IT DOES NEED TO BE TOUCHED ON THAT. THERE IS A SECTION EMBEDDED IN A TRAFFIC STUDY BASED OFF A CURRENT POLICY REGARDING MICRO-MOBILITY OR MULTIMODAL. THAT'D BE BICYCLE, PEDESTRIAN AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND TRANSIT AS WELL. SO YOU'RE SAYING WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE MICRO MOBILITY ABILITY. WE'RE SAYING FOR AN APPLICANT THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SECTION IN THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY THAT THEY NEED TO ADDRESS IT, BUT TO THE POINT THAT IT CONFORMS WITH CURRENT CITY POLICY, THERE WAS LANGUAGE ADDED ON. IF YOU IF YOU MAY, ON PAGE EIGHT OF TEN OF THE POLICY THAT REFERENCES THAT SECTION OF MULTIMODAL MICRO-MOBILITY FACILITIES. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THERE WAS. AND RECEIVING SOME FEEDBACK, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS. THAT TOPIC IS INCORPORATED IN. AS WE NAVIGATE THROUGH THE DISCUSSIONS AND THE DEFINITIONS AND HOW WE MOVE FORWARD, THE CHANGING CHANGES IN THE STATUTES AND LANGUAGE AS WELL. BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS ADDRESSED, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S BEEN A. TOPIC OF CONCERN. IN ESSENCE, IT PAYS HOMAGE TO THE FACT THAT WE RECOGNIZE THERE'S GOING TO BE DISCUSSED AND THERE'S GOING TO BE CHANGES COMING. AND IT SAYS THAT IF THOSE, REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT SAYS SPECIFICALLY, IT MUST BE FOLLOWED. THAT'S REALLY THE INTENT OF THE LANGUAGE. AND, AND WE CALL THAT THE TERRY HUTCHINSON PROVISO, SO THAT HE DOESN'T HAVE TO ASK FOR EVERY PROJECT. WILL THERE BE BIKE RACKS THAT THAT WOULD BE PART OF THAT? I'M SURE. I'M SURE, YES. IF THERE'S BIKE RACKS REQUIRED IN, IN THE LANGUAGE. AND I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S TYPICALLY SOMETHING THAT IS CONSIDERED WITH A, WITH THE FACILITIES AND ASSURING THAT THERE'S BIKE RACKS AND, AND TYPICALLY ON PRIVATE PROPERTY INCORPORATED INTO THE PLAN. 
          MR. MCCONNELL, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? NO. OKAY. ULTIMATELY, I THINK TO MR. YOUNG'S POINT, IT'S ANTICIPATING POLICY CHANGES BEING MADE BASED ON MICROMOBILITY AND MICROTRANSIT, WHICH JUST FOR YOUR. UPDATE, FIRST READING ON WHAT I'VE ALREADY BEEN DIRECTED TO DO WILL BE ON JUNE 3RD OR WHENEVER THE FIRST MEETING IN JUNE IS. 
          SO POLICY CHANGE IS COMING. WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. OKAY, I DON'T. STAFF, DID YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER INPUT TO THIS OR. DID WE ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MAYOR? NO. OKAY. BUT SO I THINK WHAT WE DID HEAR FROM OUR CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY, WE HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM TODAY ON 
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MICROMOBILITY SECOND HEARING. AND THAT AGENDA ITEM INCLUDES MOVING WHAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE ON SIDEWALKS TO THE ROADS. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ELECTRIC BIKES, BUT ELECTRIC BIKES BECOMING ELECTRO ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLES. CORRECT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE SEEN IT, BUT BMW JUST PUT ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLE OUT FASTER THAN MOTORCYCLE ITSELF. SO ELECTRIC BIKES AND ELECTRIC MOTORCYCLES BEING ON THE ROAD. AND GIVEN THOSE POLICY CHANGES SO THAT FORECASTING FUTURE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO MANAGE OUR TRAFFIC INCLUDES WHAT IS ALSO ON THE ROAD COMPETING SPACE WITH THE TRADITIONAL VEHICLES. SO THAT'S WHERE THE FLEXIBILITY ARE. 
          TRANSPORTATION SERVICES MANAGER WAS REFERRING TO BUILDING INTO THIS SECOND HEARING SO THAT WHATEVER DECISION OUR COUNCIL MAKES ON THE AGENDA ITEM FOR SECOND HEARING, THIS IS FLEXIBLE ENOUGH FOR US TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YES, TSI AND TRAFFIC STUDIES SHOULD BE INCLUSIVE OF FUTURE COUNTS FOR MOTORCYCLES, MOTOR ELECTRIC BICYCLES, AUTONOMOUS ELECTRIC DRIVES. I REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO GO THERE, BUT THAT'S COMING. SO IT'S FLEXIBLE ENOUGH FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE IT WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT CHANGES TO WHAT WE HAVE PRESENTED TO YOU. I HOPE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION, MA'AM. YES, BUT I'M JUST LOOKING. YES. THANK YOU. THAT I NEEDED THAT. 
          BUT LOOKING AT THE MULTIMODAL AND MICROMOBILITY FACILITIES, I DON'T. CLARIFYING THE FACILITIES IS I KNOW IT'S ALREADY IN OUR COMP PLAN, BUT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AND THAT IS WHAT OUR CITY ATTORNEY INDICATED. SECOND PART OF THE MICROMOBILITY, IF YOU RECALL, WE SEPARATED BUSINESS PORTION OF THE MICROMOBILITY FACILITIES AND OR BUSINESSES. SO THIS IS MORE TRAFFIC STUDY. AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO DO OUR TRAFFIC STUDIES IN LIGHT OF WHAT'S COMING AT US AS DEVELOPMENT, BUT MANAGING THE BUSINESSES, THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED. AND AS OUR CITY ATTORNEY INDICATED, THAT'S COMING NEXT. RIGHT. SO I'M I'M GOING BACK TO REALLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS TAKING THOSE BIKES OFF OF THE SIDEWALKS IN SECTION TEN OR ANOTHER SECTION IS GOING TO TELL US HOW WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR SERVICE WORKERS CAN GET FROM THEIR PLACE OF RESIDENCE TO THE BUSINESSES SAFELY, WHETHER IT BE ROUTES. 
          IS THAT IN HERE OR NO, WE DON'T HAVE ROUTES OR WE HAVE NOT DEEP DIVE INTO THE MULTIMODAL MICROMOBILITY LANGUAGE. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY EARLIER, IS THAT'S REALLY NOT A COMPONENT OF THAT. IT'S A CONSIDERATION AS FAR AS WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDIES AS THEY DEVELOP OUT, AND TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE ROAD SYSTEM AND THE IMPACTS OF HOW THESE MICRO MOBILITY DEVICES MIGHT IMPACT OUR ROAD SYSTEMS WHEN THEY'RE ANALYZING THIS, OUR ROAD SYSTEMS, OUR PEDESTRIAN SIDEWALKS AND AND SURROUNDING AREA. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. MR. YOUNG OR NO, NO, I WAS I GUESS I WAS JUST ONCE YOU'RE ALL DONE, I GUESS FROM A NEXT STEP PERSPECTIVE, I WANTED HER TO KIND OF WALK THROUGH WHERE WE'RE HEADED AFTER THIS. SO IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, I DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. THE DIRECTION IS TO MOVE THIS FORWARD TO BE YES. SO YES, IN THIS AND I JUST WANTED TO JUST ADD IN THIS. REMEMBER, REMEMBER THAT THIS POLICY IS NOT IN A VACUUM. IT'S JUST A VITAL ORGAN OF OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE AND HOW WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT. JOHNSON ENGINEERING'S PLANNING AND TRAFFIC DIVISIONS HAVE BEEN WORKING IN TANDEM TOGETHER ON THESE ITEMS, AND WITH THE CITY AND OUR LAND USE GOALS AND TRANSPORTATION AND MAKE TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR OUR LAND USE GOALS AND OUR TRANSPORTATION POLICIES ARE ALIGNED. AND WE'RE NOT JUST LOOKING AT ONE INTERSECTION AT A TIME, WE'RE 
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LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE NETWORK. SO WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD, YES, WE WANT TO GO INTO NEXT. MOVING TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD FOR THEIR FORMAL RECOMMENDATION. AND THEN FOLLOWING THE CITY COUNCIL SUMMER BREAK, WE WE WILL RETURN TO THE DAIS FOR THE FIRST AND SECOND ORDINANCE READINGS. IS, IS OUR PLAN FOR THE POLICY LANGUAGE AND TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR GOAL IS MET, REALLY ASSURE THAT WE HAVE A DEFENSIBLE, TRANSPARENT AND ABOVE ALL, THAT, IT ENSURES THE INFRASTRUCTURE KEEPS THE PACE AND OUR COMMUNITY'S EVOLUTION WITHIN THE AREA. AND I JUST WANTED TO NOTATE THAT, AND I WILL IF THE CITY MANAGER AND MR. YOUNG HAS ANY MORE COMMENTS AS FAR AS OUR LOOK, OUR STEPS GOING FORWARD? NO, I GUESS I JUST THAT THE SUPPLEMENT DOCUMENT THAT YOU HAVE ACTUALLY LOOKS AT MODIFICATIONS TO THE CODE, THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE TO ACTUALLY PRODUCING THE DOCUMENTS THAT WOULD GO TO P, A B, THAT WOULD ALTER THE CODE WITH THOSE LANGUAGES. SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF FORESHADOW THAT FOR YOU. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS SLIDE IN FRONT OF YOU REPRESENTS IS THE TIME FRAME FOR WHICH THAT IS, IS, IS TO BE DONE. THERE WAS ONE COMPONENT THAT WE ARE GOING TO DISCUSS AS FAR AS PROJECTING FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OR POTENTIALLY AND ITS EFFECT ON LEVEL OF SERVICE. I THOUGHT THAT WE MAY DO UNDERNEATH MY AUTHORITY DURING THIS THREE MONTH WINDOW TO ADD ANOTHER COMPONENT BY THE TIME IT COMES BACK TO THEM. IS THAT CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF FORESHADOW THOSE THOUGHTS FOR YOU SO THAT YOU KNEW WHAT WOULD WE BE WORKING ON OVER THE SUMMER. SO OKAY. WITH THAT BEING SAID, COUNCIL, I THINK WE NEED WE DON'T NEED A MOTION. WE JUST NEED A RECOMMENDATION TO MOVE FORWARD TO CONSENSUS, TO MOVE THAT, TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT, AS YOU KNOW, AS PRESCRIBED. OBVIOUSLY, THEY'RE STILL SUBJECT TO FINAL CHANGES, BUT THAT YOU THE THEORY CONCEPT AND EVERYTHING YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS, IS MOVING IN THE DIRECTION THAT YOU SO CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD AND CONTINUE WITH DRAFTING THE THE ORDINANCES AND GOING TO BE. YES. ACCORDING TO THE NEXT STEPS. SCHULTZ. YES. NO. YES. YES. YES, YES. DO YOU HAVE A CONSENSUS? SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK. THAT'S SOME DETAILED WORK AND SOME GOOD CHANGES. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. IT IS 1202. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO GET THROUGH ONE MORE OR SO ITEMS IF COUNCIL IS WILLING. OKAY. UNDER THE PARKS. PARDON. 
          [14.A) A Presentation for the Purpose of Selecting a Vendor for the Design and Construction Services of the Cambier Park Playground and a Recommendation on the Best Design and Construction Option Presented.]
UNDER THE PARK. ONTO ITEM 14 A THE PRESENTATION ON THE CAMBIER PLAYGROUND. MR. YOUNG YES, MA'AM. AS CHAD MAKES HIS WAY OUT HERE. SO, AS YOU KNOW, WE EMBARKED UPON THIS PROJECT TO GET PROPOSALS FOR CAMBIER PARK. WE TOOK PUBLIC SURVEYS, THERE WAS MEETINGS, WE STARTED PUBLIC SURVEYS OVER AGAIN ONCE. ONCE I TOOK OVER WHEN WE DRAFTED THE RFP, CHATTED THEM, INCLUDED THESE SURVEYS TO THE THE POTENTIAL BIDDERS. SO THEY HAD A A GRASP AND A FEELING OF WHAT THE THE FEEDBACK THAT WE HAD HAD OBTAINED, PLUS PICTURES OF THE EXISTING PARK AS IT EXISTED. 
          AND SO IN HOPES OF GETTING TO A QUALIFIED, I GUESS, PROVIDING ENOUGH DIVERSITY TO GET A GOOD QUALIFIED BIDS ON THE PROPOSAL. ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID DO IN THIS WAS ADD WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE VALUE ADDED IN THE PROPOSAL, WHICH IS IS THERE CUSTOMIZATION THAT IF WE WANT TO MAKE CUSTOMIZATION. HOW FLEXIBLE IS THAT? SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE WENT OUT FOR THE RFP BIDS, CAME BACK, STAFF DID THEIR RECOMMENDATION AND WENT TO KSHB. I'M STEALING A LITTLE BIT OF CHAD'S THUNDER, BUT THE LONG AND THE SHORT OF IT IS WHERE YOU ARE TODAY IS WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION. YOU IN YOUR PACKET, YOU HAD CSB'S RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT JUST AS IMPORTANT AS WHETHER YOU SELECT THE ONE THAT WAS SELECTED BY OTHERS OR YOU SELECTED COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ONE IS YOUR FEEDBACK TO SAY WHAT WE THINK IT NEEDS THIS OR SOMETHING ELSE, BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE DOING TODAY IS JUST THE PRELIMINARY SAYING YES. WILL YOU EITHER AGREE OR DISAGREE? YOU WANT A DIFFERENT ONE OF THEM, BUT YOU'RE ALSO GIVING US THE FEEDBACK AS TO SAY, NOW GO AND MAKE SURE THESE ELEMENTS ARE IN IT AS WELL. AND THE REASON THAT IS, IS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT AWARDING A CONTRACT TODAY. WE'RE CHOOSING TO BEGIN FINAL NEGOTIATIONS TO SAY, WHAT OTHER ELEMENTS ARE WE GOING TO CUSTOMIZE SO WE CAN COME BACK TO YOU WITH THE FINAL CONTRACT. SO THAT'S THE LONG AND THE SHORT OF IT. I'LL I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CHAD AND LET HIM FILL IN FROM THERE AND SAY ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE. SO THANK YOU MA'AM. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. EXCUSE ME. CHAD MERRITT, COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR. SO AS OUR CITY MANAGER STATED, WE'VE COME A LONG WAYS AND WE'VE GOTTEN TO A POINT THAT WE FEEL COMFORTABLE THAT WE CAN MOVE THIS FORWARD. I WANT TO SAY. WE 
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THESE COMPANIES, WHEN THEY COME IN AND THEY PUT THIS STUFF TOGETHER, THEY ARE OUTSTANDING. 
          AND, AND WHAT THEY DO AND, AND WHAT THEY'RE CAPABLE OF DOING. YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A, WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS SOME REALLY GOOD DESIGNS AND A LOT OF THEM WERE REALLY DIFFERENT AND UNIQUE. 
          ONE OF THE THINGS FOR US IS WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER THE DESIGN WAS, WAS UNIQUE TO NAPLES. IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS NOT LIKE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU SEE. WE SAID IT OVER AND OVER, AND THE COMMUNITY ALSO SAID IT. PLAYGROUND. A PLAYGROUND LIKE FLEISCHMANN PARK DOES NOT BELONG IN CAMBIER PARK. THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT WE TOLD EVERY ONE OF THESE COMPANIES. AND I SAID IT OVER AND OVER UNTIL I WAS BLUE IN THE FACE. DO NOT PUT ANYTHING IN HERE THAT IT LOOKS LIKE A PLAYGROUND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO FIND WITHIN ANOTHER PARK IN THE COUNTY AND THE THROUGHOUT THE STATE. SO AS HE'S KIND OF WENT THROUGH THE TIMELINE TO, I'LL KIND OF GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW. SO THE RFP WENT OUT THAT WAS PUT OUT ON JANUARY 5TH, CLOSED ON THE 17TH, FIVE BIDS CAME THROUGH. HERE'S THE COMPANIES THAT BID OR PUT PROPOSALS THROUGH BLISS PRODUCTS, MIRACLE RECREATION, PLAY CORE WISCONSIN, WHICH IS GAME TIME. PLAYMORE WEST AND VICTOR CONTRACTING SERVICES. THE RFP COMMITTEE EVALUATED ALL OF THESE SUBMISSIONS AND CREATED A SHORT LIST BASED ON THE GRADING CRITERIA THAT WE PUT TOGETHER. THE SHORT LIST OF VENDORS ENDED UP BEING MIRACLE RECREATION, PLAY, CORE, PLAY MORE, AND THAT WAS THE THREE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE TODAY. THESE WERE THEN PRESENTED. THEY DID A PRESENTATION TO THE RFP COMMITTEE, THE SHORTLISTED ONES, TO DETERMINE FIRST, SECOND, THIRD. SO ONCE THAT WENT THROUGH, HERE'S THE MEMBERS OF THE RFP COMMITTEE, MYSELF, AARON HOPKINS, THE DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY SERVICES. ERICA MARTIN, THE PLANNING DIRECTOR. ALLISON BICKETT, THE CITY ENGINEER. ANITA JENKINS, COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY ADMINISTRATOR. THE GOOD THING ABOUT THIS IS THESE ARE PROFESSIONALS AND WHAT THEY DO. 
          BUT WE HAD TWO PARENTS ALSO ON THIS COMMITTEE THAT HAVE KIDS THAT ARE OF OF THE SAME OR OF THE AGE THAT WOULD PLAY ON THESE PLAYGROUNDS. AND THEY KIND OF GOT AN OPPORTUNITY TO PICK THEIR BRAIN A LITTLE BIT TOO. SO THAT ADDS ANOTHER LAYER OF THIS COMMITTEE, WHICH I FELT WAS A VERY STRONG COMMITTEE FOR THE RFP COMMITTEE. ONCE THEY DID THE PRESENTATION, IT WAS VOTED ON THE PLAY MORE, PLAY CORE. AND MIRACLE IN THAT ORDER WAS WHAT WAS SELECTED WITH PLAY MORE BEING NUMBER ONE. WE THEN TOOK THIS TO THE C, S A, B, C, S A, B WAS PRESENTED WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM RFP COMMITTEE. THEY WERE. THEY HAD. EACH ONE OF THE COMPANIES DID A PRESENTATION, WHICH YOU HAVE ATTACHED IN YOUR PACKET. THAT PRESENTATION OR THOSE PRESENTATIONS THEN LAUNCHED THE C, S, A, B INTO VOTING ON WHICH ONE THEY FELT WAS THEIR NUMBER ONE, THEIR NUMBER TWO, AND THEIR NUMBER THREE. SO THEY DID A, A MOTION FOR PLAY MORE WES TO BE THEIR NUMBER ONE. THEY DID A VOTE. IT WAS A THREE TWO VOTE FOR THEM TO BE BECAUSE THEY WERE TORN BETWEEN PLAY MORE AND THE PLAY CORE DESIGN. SO WITH THE THREE TWO VOTE, IT PASSED THAT PLAY MORE WAS THEIR NUMBER ONE SELECTION. THEN PLAY CORE. THEY WENT TO THEIR WHO WAS GOING TO BE VOTED ON BETWEEN PLAY CORE AND MIRACLE FOR THEIR SECOND SELECTION. AND THEY UNANIMOUSLY SELECTED PLAY CORE, WITH MIRACLE RECREATION BEING UNANIMOUS. NUMBER THREE, THE MEMBERS OF THE C, S, A B BOARD, JUST IN CASE YOU'RE YOU'RE NOT SURE OF WHO THEY ARE. 
          I DID LIST THOSE ON THIS PRESENTATION AS WELL. SO CURRENTLY, AS CITY MANAGER STATED, TODAY WE HAVE THE SHORTLISTED THE RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE YOU FROM, YOU KNOW, C, S, A, B AS WELL AS THE RFP COMMITTEE. BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS WHEN WE WORKED ON, YOU KNOW, THIS SCOPE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WILL REMAIN. AND WHEN YOU LOOK IN THESE DESIGNS, THEY DON'T. IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO CAPTURE EVERY SINGLE THING. 
          THEY'RE GIVING YOU CONCEPTUAL. ALL THE TREES ARE GOING TO REMAIN. SO I'M GOING TO SAY THAT AGAIN. I'VE SAID IT MULTIPLE TIMES. THERE'S NOT A TREE LEAVING THIS SITE. SO ALL THE TREES WILL REMAIN. ALL THE TREES WILL REMAIN. I'M SAYING OVER AND OVER THE IT WILL BE 
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FENCED IN JUST LIKE IT'S FENCED IN. NOW. IT'S GOING TO BE A DIFFERENT FENCE BECAUSE THE CURRENT FENCE IS ABOUT TO FALL. BUT WE. IT WILL BE FENCED IN THE. THE PUBLIC AS WELL AS THE STAFF. WE DID NOT WANT TO SEE METAL POST AND IT WAS A COMMON THEME WHEN WE WENT THROUGH HERE. 
          IF WE LOOKED AT THIS PLAYGROUND AND WE SAW JUST A BUNCH OF METAL POSTS STICKING UP ALL OVER THE PLACE AND. AND THAT WAS UNACCEPTABLE. I SENT MULTIPLE RESPONSES AND, AND ADDENDUMS STATING, IF YOU HAVE A PLAYGROUND, IF YOU SUBMIT A DESIGN THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS, THIS, THIS, AND THIS AND GAVE THEM EXAMPLES, I SAID IT'S NOT GOING TO GRADE WELL. SO THE PUBLIC VOTED DURING THE WE DID A SURVEY BEFORE WE GOT VERY SIMILAR RESULTS TO THE ONE THAT WE GOT WITH THE FLASH VOTE. AND WE DID THE PICTURES AND THE WHAT YOU SEE IN THE TOP SELECTIONS FROM THE RFP COMMITTEE, AS WELL AS THE C, S, A, B, REFLECT WHAT THE PUBLIC VOTED ON FOR THE PICTURES. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ONE OF OUR MAIN THINGS IN IMAGINATION. 
          THEY DID NOT. WE WANTED A DESIGN THAT THESE KIDS CAN TAKE AN ADVENTURE ON. AND I FELT THAT THEY DID THAT. AND WHEN WE DO LOOK THROUGH THESE VIDEOS HERE IN A SECOND, YOU SEE THE FLY THRUS LOOKING AT PICTURES DOESN'T DO IT JUSTICE. IT DOESN'T SHOW YOU THE, THE, THE SCALE OF WHAT THESE THINGS ARE. THESE, THEY PUT A LOT IN THIS SPACE AND THEY PUT AS MUCH AS THEY COULD. CONNECTIVITY WAS A BIG THING FOR US. WE WANTED TO BE ABLE TO ENTER ON THE PLAYGROUND AND BE ABLE TO GO THROUGH THE WHOLE PLAYGROUND WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, KIDS PLAY THE GROUND IS LAVA. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S STILL DO IT. MY CHILD DID IT, BUT SHE'S 15 NOW. 
          SO BUT THAT WAS THAT WAS KIND OF THE IMAGINATION THING THAT WE REALLY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY CAPTURED WITHIN THIS. AND WE FELT THEY DID THAT SAFETY WAS THE TOP PRIORITY. I, AS AGAIN, A PARENT THAT HAD A KID PLAYING ON PLAYGROUNDS, I WANT TO KNOW THAT MY CHILD IS ON A PLAYGROUND THAT'S SAFE, THAT MEETS SAFETY STANDARDS, AND WE CHALLENGE EVERY ONE OF THEM. THESE THREE ALL MET THAT THINGS TO CONSIDER, THAT WE WANT TO LOOK AT. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE MODIFICATIONS, COLORS CAN BE CHANGED. AND THIS IS WHERE I WANT YOU ALL. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, PUT YOUR THINKING CAPS ON. I HAVE MY OWN THOUGHTS ON COLORS. WE REALLY WANT IT TO KIND OF BLEND IN. WE DON'T. THE THE COMMON THEME WAS WE DON'T WANT IT TO BE LIKE IN YOUR FACE WHEN YOU COME INTO THE PARK. SO THE SURFACING, WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SURFACING WAS GOING TO BE SUFFICIENT TO BE ABLE TO BE INCLUSIVE. SO IF A CHILD IN A WHEELCHAIR WAS THERE ON THIS PLAYGROUND, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO GET AROUND MOBILE. AND THERE'S SOME UNIQUE FEATURES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THROUGHOUT THE OTHER DESIGNS, ADDITIONAL DESIGN COMPONENTS, WRAPPING POSTS, CHANGING THE ANIMALS, THINGS LIKE THAT ARE SOME THINGS WE CAN LOOK AT WHEN I SAY WRAPPING POST IS AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THE METAL POST. NOW WE HAVE METAL POSTS IN THE SWINGS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THEY HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF WRAPPING THOSE SO THAT YOU DON'T EVEN SEE THE METAL POST. THEY'RE WRAPPING THOSE TO LOOK LIKE A A TREE OR WRAPPING THEM TO LOOK LIKE SOMETHING NATURAL. SO THAT WAS A VERY COOL. AND SO IT KIND OF GETS US TO THE SELECTION, WHICH WAS THE FIRST OPTION THAT WAS VOTED ON AS NUMBER ONE BY THE RFP COMMITTEE, AS WELL AS THE C, S, A B COMMITTEE. THIS IS THE PLAYMORE DESIGN. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, THE FIRST THING YOU SEE IS YOU. YOU DON'T OR YOU DON'T SEE IS YOU DON'T SEE A LOT OF METAL POSTS STICKING UP ALL OVER THE PLACE. THE THE PAVILIONS REMAIN. THEY'RE GOING TO BE A SHADE STRUCTURE FOR USE. EACH ONE OF THESE AREAS HAS A SWING THREE BAY SWING, SO IT ALLOWS FOR THE KIDS. THIS REALLY SHOWS YOU KIND OF A A SIDE VIEW. AGAIN, IT DOESN'T SHOW THE TREES, BUT IF YOU PUT THE TREES, YOU CAN'T SEE THE PLAYGROUND. THE TREES AREN'T GOING. I THINK I SAID THAT A COUPLE OF TIMES. SO THIS IS KIND OF A SIDE VIEW OF THAT. 
          THIS IS AN AREA OVER HERE ON THE BACKSIDE. IT SHOWS YOU THIS, THIS HILL, THE HILL THAT YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. IT LOOKS, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS KIND OF COOL. IT'S EIGHT FOOT HIGH. 
          SO THIS IS A, A MASSIVE STRUCTURE THAT'S HERE. OR I SAY MASSIVE, BUT IT'S IT'S A LARGE STRUCTURE. IT HAS A SLIDE. AND AS WE GO THROUGH, YOU CAN SEE KIND OF THE TREE. SO INSTEAD OF USING A BIG METAL STRUCTURE THAT'S HOLDING UP ALL OF THE COMPONENTS, YOU GET A TREE, WHICH KIND OF BLENDS IN WITH THE TREES THAT WE HAVE AROUND IT. YOU'VE GOT THE SLIDE THAT COMES DOWN, YOU'VE GOT TREE, IT WALKS OVER TO A BRIDGE LIKE A WOODEN BRIDGE THAT LOOKS, YOU 
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KNOW, AGAIN, THE IMAGINATION KIND OF GOES THAT'S HELD UP BY THE TREES. AND YOU WALK INTO THE OTHER TREE AND YOU'VE GOT SLIDES COMING OFF OF IT. YOU SEE HERE THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT TREE COMPONENTS THAT YOU GO TO. THAT'S THE TREE HOUSE TYPE THEME. BUT IT WAS NATURE WAS THE THING. THE STEPS TO GO UP THERE, THEY'RE TREE LOGS. YOU LOOK AT THIS AREA HERE, THIS IS THE SMALLER AGE GROUP. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY KIND OF TRIED TO DO HERE WAS TO KIND OF MIMIC THAT. IT WAS THE WALKING ON PILES, KIND OF LIKE THE PIER. AND THAT WAS IN THEIR MIND WAS THE NAPLES PIER. AND THEY SAID, WE CAN PUT LIKE THE PILES UP AND THE THE STRUCTURE WOULD LOOK LIKE YOU'RE WALKING ON A PIER TOWARDS THE WATER ON LIKE THE BEACH AND EVERYTHING. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR DESIGN COMPONENTS. THE SLIDE HERE. 
          THEY USE THE WAVE TO USE AS A TRANSITION. SO INSTEAD OF JUST USING A REGULAR SLIDE, THEY USE SOMETHING THAT THAT KIND OF LOOKED MORE NATURAL. THIS WAS KIND OF COOL. THEY WITH THE NORRIS CENTER AND THE THEATER AND ALL THAT, THEY SAID, LET'S PUT SOMETHING FOR THE SMALLER KIDS TO PRETEND THAT THEY'RE DOING A PLAY OR THEY'RE DOING A MUSICAL AND THEY PUT THIS STAGE HERE AND YOU KNOW, THAT STAGE, WE COULD PUT SOMETHING AT THE TOP THERE THAT SAYS THE, YOU KNOW, CAMBIER PARK THEATER OR SOMETHING UNIQUE. SO THERE'S THINGS THAT WE CAN DO THERE, BUT IT WAS A MUSIC WALL. SO THEY CAN GO OVER THERE AND PLAY MUSIC AND SOMEBODY CAN PERFORM. 
          SO IT WAS AGAIN, THE IMAGINATION WAS THERE. SO THIS IS GOING TO BE THE FLY THROUGH. 
          SO AS YOU COME IN, YOU CAN SEE THE SEPARATION. BUT THIS IS A KIND OF A SURROUND VIEW. AND THEN EVERYTHING KIND OF HAS THAT NATURAL LOOK. IT DOESN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT. THE POST THAT WE SEE RIGHT HERE ON THE SWINGS, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT WE CAN ADDRESS. THE SAME THING WITH THE SHADE STRUCTURE. SHADE WAS IMPORTANT. YOU SEE THE SHADE STRUCTURES THROUGHOUT. THIS IS MORE SHADE THAN WE HAD ON THE OTHER PLAYGROUND. BY FAR. YOU DO HAVE NATURAL SHADE AROUND THIS ENTIRE PLAYGROUND ON THE OUTSIDE. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS BENCH HERE THAT YOU HAVE A PARENT SITTING ON, IT'S GOING TO BE UNDER TREES. IF IT'S NOT, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADD SOME KIND OF SHADE STRUCTURE TO CAPTURE THAT. BUT ALL OF THESE THINGS REALLY DEPEND ONCE THEY GET EVERYTHING IN PLACE. BUT YOU SEE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE STRUCTURE, YOU'VE GOT BENCHES, YOU'VE GOT THIS RIGHT HERE. AND I'M GOING TO KIND OF PAUSE THIS. SO UNDERSTANDING HOW THIS WAS PUT TOGETHER AND IN HEARING THE DESIGN CONSULTANT, THEY, THEY FLEW THE DESIGN CONSULTANT, ONE OF THE MAIN DESIGN CONSULTANTS IN THE WHOLE NATION FOR THIS COMPANY DOWN TO EXPLAIN WHAT THEY DID HERE. SO TYPICALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A CHILD IN A WHEELCHAIR THAT'S GOING ONTO A PLAYGROUND FOR AN INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND, YOU HAVE THESE RAMPS AND THEY SWITCH BACK. AND SO YOU SEE THESE BIG METAL PLATFORMS BECAUSE WE HAD ASKED FOR THINGS NOT TO LOOK LIKE THAT AND LOOK MORE NATURAL, THEY CREATED A PATH AND IT HAS A SLOW ELEVATION. SO IT LOOKS LIKE THE CHILD IN THEIR MIND IS GOING INTO A FOREST, WALKING DOWN THE PATH. AND IT CONTINUES TO ELEVATE TO BRING THEM TO THE LEVEL THAT THEY NEED TO BE AT TO GO INTO, ONTO THE STRUCTURE. SO IT'S YEAH. AND IT GOES UP. IT'S ABOUT FOUR FOOT TALL AT THE END OF IT. SOME COOL THINGS THAT THEY DID IN HERE IS THEY ADDED RIGHT HERE, THERE'S A BENCH THAT'S HERE. THERE'S THESE THINGS ARE MEANT FOR SOMEBODY TO SIT ON. SO IF THE PARENT IS, YOU KNOW, WALKING HERE LETS THE CHILD GO UP, THEY CAN SIT RIGHT HERE WHILE THEY'RE MONITORING THAT. SO THERE'S EVERYTHING WAS REALLY THOUGHT THROUGH. THIS SLIDE HERE WAS MEANT FOR. IT'S A NEW IT'S A NEW TYPE OF SLIDE, BUT IT'S MEANT TO ALLOW MULTIPLE PEOPLE TO SLIDE DOWN AT THE SAME TIME. SO IF A PARENT WANTED TO SLIDE DOWN WITH THEIR CHILD, THIS IS WHAT THIS IS DESIGNED TO DO. SO THAT'S THE HEEL THAT'S THERE. AND AND THE HEEL, YOU KNOW, YOU CLIMB UP WITH LOGS. THERE'S A TUNNEL THERE THAT YOU GO THROUGH THAT'S LIKE A LOG. HERE'S THE SMALLER SECTION HERE THAT'S GOT A TUNNEL WITH A HEEL THAT YOU CAN CLIMB UP AND THEN GO DOWN THE SLIDE. THERE'S SOME BARRELS AND SO ON. SO THIS WAS THE PLAYMORE DESIGN FLY THROUGH. SO THEN WE GOT TO PLAY CORE WHICH WAS ALSO KNOWN AS GAME TIME. 
          THEY WENT WITH A LITTLE BIT OF MORE DESIGN WHEN IT CAME TO THE POURING PLACE TO POUR IN PLACE 
          [03:35:06]
IS THE SURFACING THAT YOU SEE THERE THAT'S GOT THE SPIDERS AND EVERYTHING. IF YOU KIND OF LOOK THERE, YOU SEE THE SPIDER WEB. SO THEY DID THAT BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE CAUGHT IN A SPIDER WEB AND THE SPIDERS ARE COMING TO GET YOU. AND THEN YOU LOOK AT THE THE SNAKES THAT ARE OVER HERE IN THE JUNGLE WHERE THE TREE THAT YOU'RE CLIMBING UP, YOU'VE GOT A RIVER THAT RUNS THROUGH AND THE BRIDGE CROSSES THE RIVER. THIS IS NOT A WATER RIVER, BY THE WAY. IT'S JUST PAINTED IN THAT WAY. SO THIS IS WAS DESIGNED TO LOOK LIKE A, A BANYAN TREE. AND THE STRUCTURE IT HAS, YOU KNOW, MUSHROOMS. THE DETAILS OF THIS ARE UNREAL. IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE A REAL TREE. IT'S GOING TO HAVE BARK. EVERYTHING'S GOING TO BE DESIGNED EXACTLY LIKE A REAL TREE. SO YOU'RE GOING TO THINK THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY IN A REAL TREE. SO AS YOU ENTER IN, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S SOME COMPONENTS ON THE SIDE THAT CAN GO AND CLIMB UP. ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, YOU GET INTO THE STRUCTURE, YOU GET UP TO THE TOP, YOU'VE GOT A CLIMBING STRUCTURE THAT COMES UP THROUGH THE MIDDLE. THERE'S SEVERAL ACTIVITIES ON THE OUTSIDE. THEY CAN CHOOSE TO GO DOWN THE SLIDE, OR THEY CAN GO THROUGH THE BRIDGE TO GO TO THE OTHER, WHICH WE'LL SEE HERE IN A SECOND. THIS ALSO HAS, YOU SEE A CHILD, TWO CHILDREN IN A WHEELCHAIR HERE THAT ARE PLAYING ON DIFFERENT THINGS. THERE'S MONKEY BARS THAT ARE HANGING FROM THAT STRUCTURE. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE BRIDGE THAT GOES FROM THAT STRUCTURE TO THE OTHER ONE, WHERE YOU CAN SLIDE DOWN A SLIDE AND YOU'RE CROSSING OVER WHAT IS MIMICKED AS A BRIDGE. AND THERE'S A SPINNER THAT'S OVER HERE AS AN INDIVIDUAL PLAY. YOU KNOW, AS A KID, WE ALWAYS LOVED TO SPEND AS FAST AS WE COULD. THEN IN THE SMALLER KIDS SECTION, THEY DID A SEA TURTLE, AND THE SEA TURTLE WAS MEANT TO. AGAIN, THIS THE IMAGINATION COMPONENTS TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE PLAYING ON TOP OF A SEA TURTLE AND THEY'RE RIDING IT THROUGH THE THE OCEAN, WHICH IS NOT CONDONED. BY THE WAY, THIS WAS A STRUCTURE. I DON'T WANT NATURAL RESOURCES COME AFTER ME. THIS IS AN ITEM. THEY SAID THAT THEY WERE VERY EXCITED ABOUT PUTTING INTO THE DESIGN BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T DONE IT ANYWHERE ELSE. THIS WAS A FISH. THEY FELT THAT IT IT FIT THE AREA. YOU'VE GOT THE FISH THAT ARE SWIMMING DOWN BELOW ON THE THE POOR IN PLACE. SO IT KIND OF BLENDS IN WITH THAT. BUT THE STRUCTURE IS YOU'RE CLIMBING INTO THE FISH'S MOUTH AND YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE WALKING THROUGH AND IMAGINATION STARTS TO SET IN. HERE'S AN EXAMPLE. WHEN I TALK ABOUT RAPPING POSTS FOR THE FOR SWINGS. AND ALL OF THEM HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF DOING THIS. YOU CAN DO THINGS LIKE THIS WHERE WE DON'T SEE A WHOLE LOT OF THE METAL POSTS. NOW, THE ONES THAT ARE COMING ACROSS, THEY HAVE TO LEAVE THEM AS METAL POSTS BECAUSE THEY GOT ATTACHED TO IT, BUT THEY CAN MAKE IT NATURAL. BUT THE, YOU KNOW, THIS ONE SELECTED TO DO THEIRS LIKE THIS. THEY'VE GOT A, I THINK THAT'S AN EEL OR IT MIGHT BE A PYTHON. I DON'T KNOW WHICH THAT'S THAT THEY'RE PLAYING ON. THEN YOU'VE GOT THE THE SAME TREE, A SMALLER VERSION OF THE TREE STRUCTURE THAT YOU HAVE IN THE BIG SECTION THERE. AND THIS IS KIND OF A FLY THROUGH OF THIS DESIGN. 
          WON'T HAVE ANY SOUND, BUT IF YOU WANT ME TO HUM, I'LL DO IT. SO YOU'RE COMING THROUGH? YEP. 
          THIS KIND OF SHOWS WHERE ALL THE TREES. IT'S NOT THE SAME TREES THAT WE HAVE THERE BECAUSE THERE'S A GUMBO LIMBO. THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT HERE. THAT'S STILL GOING TO BE THERE. SO YOU SEE EACH SECTION HAS ITS OWN. IT'S FENCED OFF. WE DIDN'T WANT THE LARGER KIDS RUNNING DIRECTLY INTO THE SMALLER KIDS SECTION AND RUN THEM OVER, RUNNING THEM OVER. AGAIN, HERE'S KIND OF THE ENTRY TO THE BIG STRUCTURE. YOU'VE GOT A WELL HERE. YOU'VE GOT THE, THE, THE WATER FEATURES. THERE'S A PIRATE SHIP THAT'S WRECKED THERE WITH A TREASURE BOX. 
          YOU'VE GOT THE SWING, YOU HAVE THE MOMMY AND ME SWINGS, WHICH THEY CAN ALL DO THIS. SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU SEE WHEN IT COMES TO THE SWINGS, THEY CAN DO ALL SORTS OF THINGS AND EVERYBODY HAS CAPABILITY. BUT THIS IS THE SWING. AND YOU GOT THE SHADE STRUCTURE OVER THE SWINGS, WHICH THE SAME THING THAT WE HAVE NOW. AND THEN HERE'S A CLIMBING STRUCTURE WITH A LADDER THAT CLIMBS OVER, AND THEN YOU SEE HOW EVERYTHING'S KIND OF INTERCONNECTED. SO IF I WALKED IN, I COULD GO THROUGH THIS WHOLE THING AS A KID. I WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO IT. BUT YOU CAN WALK THROUGH IT AND NEVER TOUCH THE GROUND. AND THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS, WAS TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WAS CONNECTED. 
          YOU'VE GOT THE SPINNER THERE, YOU'VE GOT A SLIDE COMING OFF OF THE BIG STRUCTURE. YOU'VE GOT THE BRIDGE THAT CONNECTS. THERE'S A LOT OF ACTIVITIES FOR THEM TO PLAY IN HERE, AND IT'S 
          [03:40:05]
JUST IT'S A VERY UNIQUE DESIGN. I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS HONESTLY. EITHER ONE OF THESE LAST TWO, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. I'VE DONE A LOT OF PLAYGROUNDS AND I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY OF THIS STUFF. AND BUT THE CAPABILITIES OF THESE COMPANIES ARE SO UNREAL. 
          THEY REALLY FLEXED ON THIS. AND I THOUGHT THAT HAVING AN RFP, UNDERSTANDING THAT WE CAN STILL MODIFY AND CUSTOMIZE ANY OF THESE THINGS THAT WE SEE HERE, THAT'S A GOOD THING. SO, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO I THOUGHT THEY DID A GOOD JOB ANYWAYS. SO THIS RIGHT HERE IS OPEN. THEY HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF PUTTING A SHADE OVER TOP, LIKE IN THE MIDDLE THERE. SO IT DOESN'T YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IT FROM THE OUTSIDE, BUT IT'LL KEEP IT SHADED SO YOU DON'T HAVE THEM SCORCHED. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE PROBLEM BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT ALL THE TREES SURROUNDING. SO YOU MIGHT HAVE IT AT HIGH NOON, YOU MIGHT GET A LITTLE BIT, BUT HERE'S THE BRIDGE THAT WALKS OVER, GOES TO THE OTHER STRUCTURE. THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY'RE CLIMBING UP THERE THAT YOU CAN GO THROUGH SOME SLIDES THAT ARE OVER ON THE SIDE TOO. 
          BUT HERE'S WHERE IT SHOWS YOU'RE WALKING ACROSS. YOU CAN WALK ON THE MUSHROOMS, YOU GO OVER TO THIS ROCK AND THEN YOU CAN DO THE STUMPS. THERE'S THE SPIDER WEB. IF YOU GET CAUGHT IN THE SPIDER WEB, YOU CAN WALK OVER. YOU'VE GOT THIS CLIMBER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE DRIFTWOOD. AND THEN THEY HAVE THIS ROPE THAT REALLY HELPS WITH CHALLENGING THE CHILDREN TO BE ABLE TO CROSS OVER. AND THEN THEY HAD TO HAVE THE STEPPING STONES THAT GO OVER THERE. THEY COULDN'T CONNECT IT THERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE FALL ZONE ISSUES THAT YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH, BUT IT STILL CONNECTS OVER. AND HERE YOU ARE, YOU'RE BACK TO HOPPING OVER WITH SOME STARFISH AND YOU'VE GOT A WHALE THERE. YOU'VE GOT A HAMMERHEAD THAT'S SWIMMING DOWN BELOW. AGAIN, ALSO NOT CONDONED TO JUMP ON THE BACK OF A WHALE, BUT YOU CAN IN OUR PARK ON THIS PLAYGROUND IF WE GOT THAT. SO YOU CAN SEE THE SHIPWRECK AS WE APPROACH THAT. AND YOU HAVE THE CRABS THAT ARE HOLDING ON. SO EVERYTHING'S REALLY DETAILED. I MEAN, EVEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE THE TREE STRUCTURES ON BOTH OF THE, THE, THESE DESIGNS THAT WE'VE SHOWN SO FAR, THEY HAVE RACCOONS THAT ARE PEEKING OUT OF THE HOLES ON THE TREE. AND THEY'RE VERY DETAILED. SO IT'S, IT'S JUST UNREAL WHAT THEY'RE ABLE TO DO WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT SOME OF THIS STUFF, YOU GOT THE MUSHROOMS GOING UP THE SIDE OF THE TREE THAT YOU CLIMB UP, AND THEY'RE USED TO CLIMB TO GET INTO IT. SO HERE'S THE TOP LEVEL, THE TOP LEVEL. YEP. IT'S THIS WAS DESIGNED SO THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN HAVE A LOT OF CHILDREN. I THINK THE, THE COUNT ON THIS WAS CAPACITY OF THIS PLAYGROUND WOULD BE UPWARDS OF 400. I COULDN'T IMAGINE 400 KIDS IN THAT. BUT THE SAME, THEY'RE ABOUT THE SAME. EVERY ONE OF THESE THAT YOU SEE BECAUSE OF THE LAYOUTS OF THEM, THEY'RE ABOUT BETWEEN, I THINK THEY SAID 350 TO 400 ON JUST ABOUT EVERY ONE OF THEM, WHICH IS A LOT OF A LOT OF KIDS. THIS IS THE SMALLER KID GROUP. AGAIN, THE SMALLER SECTION. SO THIS SHOWS YOU THE THERE YOU GO. YOU CAN SEE A DETAIL. YOU SEE THE LITTLE BEAR PEEKING HIS HEAD OUT. THERE'S AN OWL THERE. SOME REALLY COOL DETAILS. AGAIN THE TREE. SO THE POST INSTEAD OF USING METAL POST, YOU GOT TREE TRUNKS COMING UP, WHICH LOOK LIKE PALM TREES. SO THIS WAS AGAIN THE SWING SECTION. THERE'S A SPINNER OVER THERE FOR THE KIDS THAT WANT TO GO OVER AND BE TO THEMSELVES. THIS IS THE THE EEL OR THE PYTHON. I DON'T KNOW, YOU ALL TELL ME, BUT I THINK IT'S PYTHON. IT LOOKS LIKE A PYTHON FROM RIGHT THERE. AND THEN HERE'S THE FISH. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE ENTRY OF THE FISH. SO THOSE METAL POSTS THAT YOU SEE THERE WILL NOT BE IN THERE. THIS WAS JUST WHEN THEY DID THE FLY THROUGH. 
          HE SAID THAT IT PULLED THIS BECAUSE IT CAME FROM A BIGGER STRUCTURE THAT THEY DID LIKE THIS, AND THAT WHEN THEY SCALED IT DOWN, THEY COULDN'T GET IT TO REMOVE THAT. BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT OUR STRUCTURE, IF THIS WAS SELECTED, WOULD NOT HAVE THE METAL POST THAT YOU SEE IN THERE, IT WOULD ALL BE OPEN. OR ALMOST TO THE THE END. HERE. I'M STARTING TO RUN OUT OF COMMENTARY, SO I'VE GOT HE GOT A FROG THERE. OH, SO THIS THIS IS A TRANSFER. SO YOU 
          [03:45:08]
SEE HERE THERE'S A COUPLE OF THE PREVIOUS DESIGN ALSO HAD A TRANSFER STATION, BUT IT ALLOWED THEM TO TRANSFER OVER TO THE PLATFORM FROM THE WHEELCHAIR. SO WE HAVE THIS IN ALL THREE DESIGNS HAVE PUT TOGETHER SOME THINGS. SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE WHAT I CALL HIDDEN GEMS OF THE PLAYGROUND DESIGNS THAT YOU DON'T REALLY PICK UP ON UNTIL YOU YOU'RE LIKE, OH WOW. SO THIS WAS DONE FOR A REASON. SO THIS WAS AGAIN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY WERE TRYING TO DO TO BE INCLUSIVE ON THIS, MAKING THIS AN INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND AND UNDERSTANDING INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND MEANS THAT IT'S DESIGNED FOR ALL KIDS AND AGES AND ABILITIES. DOES NOT MEAN THAT EVERYTHING IS 100% ACCESSIBLE. THAT WOULD BE A AN ACCESSIBLE PLAYGROUND. THIS IS AN INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND. SO IT CHALLENGES CHILDREN OF OF ALL ABILITIES. SO YOU HAVE THE CHALLENGES, BUT YOU ALSO ALLOW SOMEONE WHO'S IN A WHEELCHAIR TO BE ABLE TO COME AND, AND HAVE FUN AND ENJOY THE PLAYGROUND, WHICH THE LAST PLAYGROUND WE DIDN'T HAVE UNTIL WE HAD FLEISCHMANN PARK. WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY HAVE AN INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND IN THE CITY UNTIL THAT. SO THAT IS THE. OTHER OPTION. AND THEN THAT MOVES US INTO MIRACLE RECREATION, MIRACLE RECREATION. SO THESE STRUCTURES THAT YOU SEE, THE, THE FLOWER AS WELL AS THE BUTTERFLY, THOSE ARE MEANT TO BE SHADE STRUCTURES. AND THAT'S WHAT THEIR INTENDED USE ARE. SO THE ENTRY AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING AGAIN, THAT YOU SEE IN ONE OF THESE DESIGNS, THEY ALL HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF CREATING AN ENTRY INTO THE PARK LIKE THIS. THEY SELECTED TO USE A TREE WITH A LITTLE THING TO INTRODUCE. AS THE KIDS COME IN, YOU'VE GOT THE ALLIGATOR HERE. THIS IS THIS IS WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE. 
          AND THIS IS NOT TO TO GO. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M VERY TRANSPARENT ON THIS. THESE ARE THE METAL RAILS THAT WE WERE TRYING TO KEEP THEM HIDDEN. THE ISSUE IS, IS WHEN YOU HAVE SOME OF THESE DESIGNS LIKE THIS, THEY CAN'T HIDE THEM BECAUSE THEY USE THE SWITCHBACK VERSION, WHERE THE LAST ONE WHERE I SHOWED THEY WERE USING THE PATH INSTEAD OF USING THE SWITCHBACK. 
          SO THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. SO HERE THEY, THEY TRIED TO USE THE POST TO, TO MAKE THE THE TREES. YOU'VE GOT THE TIKI HUT OVER TOP OF THE THE MAIN TOWER THERE WITH THE SLIDE COMING DOWN. YOU'VE GOT A DUAL SLIDE HERE. THEY DID ADD A TREE, A NATURAL COMPONENT WITHIN HERE YOU'VE GOT SHADE OVER TOP OF THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE. YOU HAVE THE TREE WRAP. YOU CAN SEE THE SHADE STRUCTURE AGAIN, THE POSTER WRAP THERE. SO IT SHOWS YOU THAT THE CAPABILITY OF WRAPPING THAT, WHICH I'LL KIND OF PIGGYBACK OFF OF THAT BY SAYING THEY HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF WRAPPING EVERY ONE OF THE METAL POSTS THAT THEY HAVE IN THERE, BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT WHEN THEY DO THAT, THE PRICE, IT DRIVES THE PRICE WAY UP. SO WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING THIS THIS ONE, IF YOU RECALL, WAS A LITTLE UNDER THE PROJECTED BUDGET, BUT BY THE TIME YOU DID SOME OF THE MODIFICATIONS THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY RECOMMEND, YOU'RE GOING TO BE BACK IN THE SAME BALLPARK. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO DO SOME NEGOTIATION. THEY ADDED A FISH STRUCTURE HERE. 
          THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF COMPONENTS FOR CLIMBING. AGAIN, THIS IS A VERY THEY DID THIS DESIGNED TO BE AS A VERY SAFE PLAYGROUND. THEY USED THE KIND OF A TREE HOUSE THEME ON THE TOP OF THAT SECTION THERE. THEY'VE GOT A BOULDER THAT YOU CRAWL ON. THERE'S SHADE THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE STRUCTURE. THE TIKI HUTS REMAIN TOO. THEY ADDED SOME DESIGNS IN HERE WITH LIKE YOUR ALLIGATOR AND THE MUSHROOMS AS WELL TO CLIMB UP. THERE'S YOU CAN SEE THERE THEY USE THE RACCOON AS WELL. THAT'S PEEKING OUT OF ONE OF THE TREES. DO A FLY THROUGH HERE. OH, IT STARTED ON ITS OWN. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU ENTER INTO THE PARK, YOU'VE GOT YOUR DIFFERENT SECTIONS AGAIN. THEY'RE ALL FENCED OFF. YOU'VE GOT THE MAIN SECTION. THE THE LARGER KID SECTION IS WHAT I'LL CALL IT. AND YOU SEE HERE THEY HAVE THE TIKI HUT. THEY DID THAT TIED INTO THE TIKI HUTS THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. YOU'VE GOT THIS REALLY COOL BRIDGE THAT COMES ACROSS FROM ONE PLATFORM TO THE OTHER. YOU'VE GOT SOME CLIMBING A ROCK WALL, YOU'VE GOT A STONE 
          [03:50:06]
COMING. THEY'VE GOT THEIR SWINGS TIED IN HERE WITH THREE BAYS. THIS IS A, THAT IS A, A D, A ROCKER. SO THAT ALLOWS SOMEONE WHO'S IN A WHEELCHAIR TO GO IN AND THEY'RE ABLE TO, TO ROCK BACK AND FORTH WITH THE KIDS. THAT'S YOUR RAMP FOR THE ADA FOR WHEELCHAIR ACCESS. 
          THERE'S SOME INDIVIDUAL PLAY COMPONENTS HERE. IMAGINATION. AGAIN, THEY'RE TRYING TO REALLY ENHANCE THE IMAGINATION WITH ADDING SOME OF THE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS. YOU HAVE A MUSIC COMPONENT THAT'S HERE THAT ALLOWS THE KIDS TO INTERACT TOGETHER. HERE'S ANOTHER STRUCTURE THAT THEY ADDED THE TREE CANOPY LOOK TO. YOU'VE GOT A SPINNER, YOU'VE GOT SOME ANOTHER STRUCTURE HERE. AGAIN, THAT KIND OF TRANSITIONS OVER. THERE'S SOME INDIVIDUAL PLAY ITEMS THERE. YOU COME ACROSS A BRIDGE AGAIN GOING OVER TO THE OTHER STRUCTURE. THEY ADDED IT. 
          THOSE ARE KIND OF COOL. THEY'RE THEY'VE GOT THE FISH THAT ARE IN THE GROUND. THE SLIDE IS REALLY COOL. COMING OFF OF THE TIKI HUT, THIS IS THE SMALLER KIDS SECTION. THEY'VE GOT SOME. 
          AGAIN, THERE'S YOUR FISH THERE. THIS SHOWS YOU THE SEPARATION AS IT COMES OUT. AND THAT WAS A LOOK AT THE DESIGNS. AND YOU CAN KIND OF GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT THE THE DIFFERENT ONES, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THE PRESENTATIONS. I THINK THAT THAT THEY NAILED IT. 
          IF YOU AGAIN, GOING BACK TO FLASH BOAT SHADE WAS A BIG THING. SWINGS, SLIDES, CLIMBING STRUCTURES. I FELT LIKE THEY ALL KIND OF MET THAT THE TREE HOUSE AND NATURE LOOK, THAT WAS THE TOP TWO THINGS THAT WERE VOTED ON AT 50%. SO THAT WAS WHAT WE PUSHED HARD TOWARDS ALL OF THEM. NATURE TREE HOUSE, NATURE TREE HOUSE. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT. I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO OPEN UP A I'VE TALKED ENOUGH. NO THANK YOU. THAT'S A LOT OF WORK, A LOT OF DETAIL. COUNCIL. SO I HAVE CARL BARTON YEAH. IN THESE DESIGNS JUST TO THROW MAINTENANCE. YOU KNOW WE DO WE ARE IN A HURRICANE ZONE. AND THE RATINGS FOR WIND AND OR ANYTHING ON THIS EQUIPMENT. IS IT ALL GOING TO FALL DOWN WHEN THE 150 MILE AN HOUR WIND HITS IT OR WHAT, YOU KNOW? YEAH. SO THE GOOD NEWS ON THE SHADE STRUCTURES IN AS PART OF WHAT WE DO, WE TYPICALLY TAKE THOSE DOWN SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THEM DAMAGED BY THE STORM. ANYWAYS. IT IS AN UNDERTAKING WHEN IT COMES TO THE STRUCTURE ITSELF. THEY ARE VERY WELL MADE. THIS, THIS MATERIAL THAT THEY MAKE IT IN A LOT OF THESE, LET'S SAY IT'S AN ACRONYM. THE ACRONYM AGAIN, WHAT IS IT? YEAH, YEAH. LET ME YEAH. GFR C SO IT'S BASICALLY A COMPOUND THAT THEY USE. AND THAT MATERIAL IS THEY USE IT AS AN EXAMPLE. WHEN THEY DO DOT DOES BRIDGES INSTEAD OF FILLING IT WITH DIRT AND EVERYTHING TO BUILD THAT MOUND UP WHERE THE BRIDGE IS, THEY USE THIS MATERIAL UP UNDERNEATH BECAUSE IT CAN HOUSE OR IT CAN HOLD 30 TONS OF PRESSURE WITH NO ISSUE. 
          SO THESE THINGS ARE MADE OF THAT. THE GOOD THING ABOUT THIS IS WHERE WE HAD BEFORE A VERY HIGH LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE THAT WE HAD TO DO IN HOUSE. AND WE DON'T HAVE THESE PROFESSIONALS, THESE ARE PROFESSIONALS THAT WE HAVE CONTRACT OR CONTACT WITH. AND THESE COMPANIES ARE LOCAL. 
          SO WE HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT. WE CAN GO TO THEM AND SAY, HEY, WE GOT AN ISSUE, WE NEED HELP WITH FIXING THIS, AND THEY'LL COME IN TO FIX IT. NOW THAT'S ANTICIPATING WE DON'T GET ANY DAMAGE. I CAN'T CONTROL WHAT SOME OF THESE STORMS HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF DOING, BECAUSE MOTHER NATURE IS ASTONISHING WHEN IT COMES TO STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT I WOULD SAY THAT IT IS IT IS VERY STOUT THE WAY THEY BUILT ALL OF THESE, AND I WOULD SAY THAT IT WOULD HOLD UP PRETTY WELL. IT WILL HOLD UP ON THE MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT, THE THE EXTREME HEAT AND SALT AIR, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS ARE BUILT TO WITHSTAND, WITHSTAND THAT. THE OTHER THING THAT WITH ANY PLAYGROUND LIABILITY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THESE BRIDGES, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO WORRY ABOUT THESE FALL THROUGH THE TOP LEVEL, THAT BANYAN TREE, YOU KNOW, THAT NETTING SEEMED PRETTY WIDE GAP. I MEAN, IT COULD BE A COULD BE A THINNER MESH IN THERE. LOOKED LIKE A KID COULD POSSIBLY FALL THROUGH. AND THESE ARE THE THINGS. SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT LIABILITY IN 
          [03:55:01]
GENERAL ON THAT. AND THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF THOUGHT PROCESS IN THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE BRIDGES THE SLIDES. I MEAN, I, I LIKE OPEN SLIDES VERSUS TUNNEL SLIDES. BUT BUT I MEAN, IS THERE ANY. YEAH. SO THE TUNNEL SLIDES, THE REASON THEY DO TUNNEL SLIDES IS REQUIRED DEPENDING ON WHAT THE HEIGHT OF THE SLIDE IS. IT'S REQUIRED FOR THEM TO COVER THEM. SO ONCE THEY EXCEED THAT, WHICH IS WHY YOU SEE THE TUNNEL SLIDE ON THE THE BIGGER STRUCTURE. THE OTHER THING, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BANYAN TREE, YOU SEE THE OPENINGS ON THAT BANYAN TREE. 
          I'M TRYING TO GET TO IT VERY SLOWLY. THOSE ARE ACTUALLY YOU DON'T SEE IT, BUT THERE'S ACTUALLY A MESH COVERING THERE. IT DOESN'T ALLOW FOR A KID TO GO OUTSIDE OF THAT. SO WHEN I SAY SAID THAT SAFETY IS A PRIORITY. SO YOU LOOK HERE AND YOU LOOK AT THESE OPENINGS, YOU CAN'T. THE KID'S NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO GET OUT OF THESE OPENINGS EXCEPT FOR WHERE THEY'RE INTENDED TO GET OUT, WHICH IS THE SLIDE AS WELL AS THE STEP SECTION. I'M TRYING TO GET INSIDE OF THE TREE, AND THAT'S MY FAVORITE DESIGN, BY THE WAY. NOW OPTION TWO I LOVE THE BANYAN TREE. I LOVE THE THE NAUTICAL THEME. YEAH. WHERE YOU HAVE THE SEA TURTLE FISH, THE EEL THAT I THOUGHT THAT WAS GREAT. THE, YOU KNOW, THE HANDICAP ACCESSIBILITY AND ALL THESE THINGS ARE FANTASTIC. I LOVE THE DOUBLE SWINGS, THE SPINNERS THAT WERE IN THERE. 
          AND I REALLY THOUGHT THAT ONE WAS WAS REALLY DETAILED. IT WAS REALLY UNIQUE IN MY OPINION. 
          I'VE NEVER SEEN SEEN SOMETHING TO THAT DEGREE. THE FIRST ONE I DID LIKE THAT WAS PARENT FRIENDLY WITH THE BENCHES AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BECAUSE AS A PARENT, I APPRECIATED THOSE BENCHES. I DID LIKE THE STAGE ON THE FIRST ONE, YOU KNOW, HAVING A STAGE AND THE THIRD ONE, I LIKE THE MUSIC CONCEPT. SO THOSE TWO THINGS WOULD BE ADDED IN THE SECOND ONE. I THINK YOU'D HAVE LIKE THE BEST OPTION POSSIBLE. THIS MY PERSONAL OPINION ON IT. WELL, THE GOOD THING IS, IS AGAIN, WE CAN MODIFY ANY OF THESE DESIGNS TO INCLUDE ANYTHING. SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU SEE IN ONE DESIGN, WE CAN ALWAYS REACH OUT TO THE COMPANY, SAY, HEY, CAN YOU INCORPORATE THIS? THEY LIKE THIS COMPONENT. THEY CAN'T PULL THE SAME THING BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY DO THEIR OWN DESIGNS, BUT THEY CAN PUT SOMETHING IN HERE SIMILAR. BUT I WANT TO STRESS AGAIN, SAFETY. THESE PLAYGROUNDS ALL MEET CURRENT SAFETY STANDARDS OF PLAYGROUNDS. AND THAT IS A BIG THING THAT WE TOUCHED ON WITH THEM. SO WHEN IT COMES TO SAFETY, THESE ARE VERY SAFE. AND MAYBE YOU HAVE THAT. IF YOU DID PUT A STAGE OF PARK, YOU COULD COORDINATE WITH THE SUGDEN, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY THEATER AS A LABEL ON IT AND INCORPORATE BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE A SCHOOL THERE NOW AND ALL THAT. SO THERE'S THINGS TO KIND OF CROSS SELL OUR COMMUNITY TO. I THINK IT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING IDEA. AS WELL AS THE MUSIC, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, CROSS SELL THAT TO THE OPERA AND WHATNOT. SO YEAH, I THOUGHT IT WAS GREAT WORK. I REALLY, REALLY AMAZING. THANKS. NOW, HOW ARE WE GOING TO DWINDLE DOWN TO THE WINNING BIDDER? BUT BARTON. YES. WELL, ACTUALLY, WELL, ALONG THOSE LINES, WHAT WILL YOU EXPECT OF US HERE TODAY? ARE WE ARE WE AS A COUNCIL CHOOSING ONE, 2 OR 3 OR ARE WE SIMPLY GIVING YOU FEEDBACK? SO TODAY ACTUALLY I'LL LET OBJECTIVE ONE IS TO CHOOSE WHICH ONE YOU WANT TO GO WITH AS YOUR PRIMARY DESIGN. THEN OBJECTIVE TWO, ONCE YOU'VE REACHED CONSENSUS ON THAT IS TO PROVIDE THE FEEDBACK OF WHICH DESIGN YOU LIKE, THAT YOU BELIEVE THERE ARE ELEMENTS THAT YOU COULD HAVE SEEN IT IN ANOTHER VERSION OR WHATEVER. 
          YOU JUST THINK IT'S NOT MISSED OR OMITTED AND OR YOU WANT TO BE ENHANCED, WHATEVER THAT IS. 
          OR AS MR. COLE SAID, IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU BELIEVE IS DANGEROUS, ASSURE ME HOW THAT'S GOING TO BE. BUT I THINK FIRST AND FOREMOST, YOU HAVE TO SELECT WHICH, WHICH, WHICH ONE YOU'RE GOING WITH, AND THEN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS OF ADDITIONS AND SUBTRACTIONS UPON THAT. OKAY. SO I'D RECOMMEND NUMBER TWO, IF WE COULD INCORPORATE A STAGE MUSIC, THAT WOULD BE I'D HAVE IT ALL. DO ANY OF THESE THREE COMPANIES COME WITH A SPECIFIC MAINTENANCE PROGRAM OR CONTRACT THAT SO THEY HAVE WARRANTIES AND MOST OF THEM ARE REALLY SIMILAR IN THE THE CRAFTSMANSHIP AND THINGS THAT THEY DO. THEY HOLD IT. THERE'S SEVERAL YEARS, KIND OF LIKE A CAR BUMPER TO BUMPER TYPE DEAL, BUT THEY ALL STAND BY THEIR PRODUCTS, SO THEY BRING PEOPLE TO HEAR SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE REPLACED OR FIXED. THEY, THEY GOT, THEY, THEY'RE NOT SAYING, HEY, THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT. AND THEY EXPECT US TO DO IT. THEY THAT'S CORRECT. AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS FOR US WHEN YOU'RE GOING WITH THESE COMPANIES IS I DON'T NEED. I LOVE OUR MAINTENANCE STAFF, BUT THEY'RE AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT PROFESSIONALS IN THIS CAPACITY. AND SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER COMPANY WE GO WITH, WE CAN MAKE THAT CALL AND SAY, HEY, WE GOT A SLIDE THAT'S DOWN. YOU EITHER NEED TO SEND SOMEBODY OVER HERE OR FIGURE OUT AND THEY'LL SEND THEM AGAIN. THEY'RE LOCAL. PLAYMORE IS 
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THEY'RE BASED OUT OF WHERE THEY HAVE FORT MYERS OFFICE. THEY'RE THEY DID SEVERAL OF THE ONES IN FORT MYERS. YOU'VE GOT GAME TIME. THEIR LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES, MIRACLE RECREATIONS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S CAPABLE OF GETTING HERE. SO WE'RE WE'RE IN GOOD HANDS FROM THAT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE TOP TWO. 
          THEY'RE VERY LOCAL TO THIS AREA. GOOD. AS FAR AS FEEDBACK, THE. I THINK I ALSO LIKE TO PLAY CORE. THE SECOND ONE, I WAS KIND OF FEELING LIKE I WAS GOING THAT WAY. AS FAR AS FEEDBACK, SPECIFICALLY WITH THAT ONE, DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE FROM A STANDPOINT OF, OF INDIGENOUS ANIMAL LIFE INSTEAD OF RANDOM OR GENERIC FISH, MAYBE MAKE IT A SNOOK OR TARPON INSTEAD OF THE WHALE, MAYBE MAKE IT A MANATEE, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, EVERY NOW AND THEN WE GET A WHALE IN THE GULF, BUT IT'S NOT VERY OFTEN. SO SEA TURTLE IS GREAT. 
          THE BEAR IS GREAT. I DON'T KNOW IF I SAW AN ALLIGATOR ON THAT ONE, BUT WE CERTAINLY PROBABLY SHOULD INCORPORATE THAT SOMEWHERE. SO I'D SAY JUST WITH THE WITH THE ANIMAL THEY GOT IN THERE. I LIKE THE THEME, BUT JUST MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE LOCAL THING WOULD BE COOL. AND THEN I, I AGREE WITH, WITH COUNCILMAN KROLL WITH THE, THE, THE LITTLE STAGE OVER THERE WAS, WAS NEAT. I KNOW I MY DAUGHTER, WHO'S NOW 29 AND STILL PARTICIPATES IN THE LOCAL PLAYHOUSE IN MARYLAND WHERE SHE LIVES. I WOULDN'T, I SHE WOULD HAVE HAD ALL THIS REALLY MAGICAL STUFF EVERYWHERE, AND SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN OVER THERE ON THE STAGE FOR THREE HOURS. 
          SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS A PRETTY NEAT CONCEPT AS WELL. I'M JUST GOING TO GO DOWN THE LINE THEN. 
          KRAMER. OKAY, I HAVE A LITTLE DIFFERENT SPIN. OH, SORRY. THANKS, GUYS. FANTASTIC. BEFORE I KNEW WHAT HAD BEEN RECOMMENDED, I FORWARDED. I HAD MY WIFE AND DAUGHTERS WEIGH IN AND, AND THEY CAME UP WITH THE SAME ORDER ACTUALLY AS EVERYBODY ELSE WITH PLAY MORE. 
          BEING THE THEIR TOP CHOICE. I HAD CALLED, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THIS CHAD, WE TALKED ABOUT IT WHEN I CONNECTED WITH THE COUNTY ABOUT BIG CYPRESS AND THEIR NEW PARKS. WAY BACK WHEN WE WERE FIRST TALKING ABOUT THIS, ONE OF THE ISSUES, THEY HAD THINGS WARRANTED TOO, BUT THEY COULDN'T GET THE STUFF THEY NEEDED AND THEY COULDN'T GET THEM OUT THERE IN THEIR, IN THEIR OTHER STATES. AND SO THAT'S A BIG DEAL TO ME TO HAVE. AND THAT'S THE FIRST CHOICE. 
          PLAY MORE THERE IN FORT MYERS. LIKE YOU, WARRANTY IS ONLY AS GOOD AS IF YOU CAN GET THE SERVICE PEOPLE HERE. AND IF THEY'RE OUT IN WHEREVER, GOOD LUCK. SOMETIMES THE OTHER THING, AND I THINK THEY'RE BOTH FANTASTIC. THE OTHER THINGS THAT IT SEEMED KIND OF OBVIOUS TO ME THAT PLAY MORE THE CHOICE ONE, I'M GOING TO CALL IT CHOICE ONE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT IT IS ON HERE. SOMEBODY LIVES IN A TROPICAL CLIMATE THERE BECAUSE CLOSE FROM IN WHEN WE'RE NOT IN SEASON FOR WHEN MY GRANDKIDS ARE GOING TO BE ON THESE THINGS, CLOSE SPACES ARE HOT, PERIOD. PERIOD. AND THE OTHER THING WAS A BIG DEAL TO ME, RUNNING CAMPS, DEALING WITH K TO 12 LINE OF SIGHT IS THEY TALK ABOUT SAFETY. THERE'S ALSO PEACE OF MIND, ENTIRELY DIFFERENT FROM SAFETY, THE PEACE OF MIND, OF LINE OF SIGHT, THE WAY THEY SEPARATE THE SLATS ON ON CHOICE ONE, YOU CAN SEE WHERE YOUR KID IS. THAT BIG BANYAN STRUCTURE IS COOL LOOKING, BUT THERE'S ALL SORTS OF LINE OF SIGHT PROBLEMS. FOR ME PERSONALLY, I CAN'T SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. AND THEN YOU CAN'T. IT'S HARD TO INTERVENE IN ADVANCE WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING GOOFY ABOUT TO HAPPEN WITH SOME KIDS BEING A KNUCKLEHEAD, OR YOU GOT A BIG KID IN THERE THAT SHOULDN'T BE IN, OR BIGGER KID, WHATEVER. SO THAT WAS A BIG DEAL TO ME. THE OTHER THING THE SLATS GIVE YOU, IF THERE'S ANY BREEZE AT ALL, IT ALLOWS IT TO GET THROUGH. SO BETWEEN THE LINE OF SIGHT, WHICH WAS WHICH WAS AGAIN A PEACE OF MIND FOR ME, THE FACT THAT THEY'RE COOLER, IT'S COOLER. AND I DO, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, NEAR THAT STAGE. 
          WASN'T THERE A MUSICAL SECTION RIGHT THERE ON THE ON THE FIRST CHOICE? YEAH. SO I HAD A MUSICAL INSTRUMENTS ON THE SIDE. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. SO FOR MY PART, FOR THOSE REASONS, IT'S A BUSINESS THAT'S LOCAL AND BEEN IN BUSINESS MORE THAN 25 YEARS. THE FACT THAT IT GIVES PEACE OF MIND IN ADDITION TO BEING SAFE AND IT'S COOLER. I WAS ALL FOR THE THE FIRST CHOICE FOR THE NOT NOT THE SECOND WAS TERRIBLE, BUT I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS MUCH MORE PRACTICAL. IT'S ALSO. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE? 300. ALMOST $350,000 CHEAPER THE WAY THEY'RE LISTED. THAT'S A. THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. 300. GARY'S NOT IN HIS HEAD. 
          $350,000 IS A LOT OF MONEY. WE'D HAVE TO CUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. AND I DON'T THINK THE JUICE IS WORTH THE SQUEEZE ON JUST HAVING A. AGAIN, I'M NOT A FAN OF THE TREE ANYWAY BECAUSE OF THE REASON I SAID. I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT IF WE HAD TO DO THIS AGAIN, WE'D LIMIT THE. THE FLY THROUGH TO WHATEVER 30S 45 SECONDS, WHATEVER. THE LONGER YOU GO, THE MORE COMPELLING IT IS. THAT'S JUST THE REALITY OF IT. THE ALSO, THE BETTER THEIR 
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TECHNOLOGY IS ON WHATEVER THEIR CGI IS, THEN THE MORE COMPELLING THAT'S GOING TO BE TO. WHICH IS ON THEM. I AGREE. I'M, I'M SAYING TO PRESENT SOMETHING GREAT, BUT. OKAY, SO I JUST FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. SO HAVING SAID ALL THAT, I PREFER. WHAT IS THE OTHER. OUR STAFF AND OUR PREFERRED, WHICH WAS PLAY MORE IN MY VIEW. THE SAFETY OF THE LINE OF SIGHT. 
          THOSE ALONE ARE REASONS ENOUGH. ALSO MANAGING THE HEAT BETTER, BEING LOCAL AND BEING THREE AND A HALF, $350,000 CHEAPER. NOW, I WILL SAY THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COVER SOME MORE OF THE POLES. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT WILL MAKE THE PRICE GO UP, BUT THEY CHECKED ALL MY MAJOR BOXES AND ALL BOTH ALL OF THEM. THE FIRST TWO FANTASTIC, FANTASTIC EFFORTS. THAT'S ALL. 
          THANKS. JUST TO ADDRESS HIS CONCERN WITH THE TREE, I GET THE BREEZEWAY. BUT IS THERE A POSITIONING THAT CAN HELP WITH THE LINE OF SIGHT? WE'RE ALWAYS ABLE TO TO ASK. JUST KEEP IN MIND WHEN YOU START SHIFTING THIS, IT TURNS ALL OF THE COMPONENTS AROUND TOO. SO YOU HAVE FALL ZONES THAT YOU HAVE TO COMPLY WITH, AND THE FALL ZONES, IF YOU SHIFT THAT AROUND, IT MAY PINCH THE FALL ZONE TO WHERE IT CAN'T HAPPEN. AND THEY MAY HAVE TO DO THAT, BUT THEY HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF DOING WHATEVER THEY NEED TO DO TO, TO TRY TO MAKE IT. BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT STRUCTURE, THAT STRUCTURE IS I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THAT WAY THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE THING. SO THE WHOLE, I WOULD ALSO SAY IT'S NOT JUST THE TREE, THOSE FISH, YOU CAN'T SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN THERE. YOU CAN'T SEE. I MEAN, THOSE ARE CLOSE STRUCTURES EXCEPT FOR WHERE YOU'RE ENTERING AND EXITING. 
          AND AGAIN, I DON'T IF I'M WHEN I DID CAMPS, I'M IN CHARGE. I GOT TO WATCH AFTER YOUR KID. 
          YES. LIKE THAT'S WAY MORE STRESSFUL THAN WATCHING AFTER MY OWN. I'D BE LIKE, HEY, FIGURE IT OUT. BUT FOR YOUR KID, I GOTTA SEE WHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE THERE. AND I CAN'T SEE WHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE THOSE FISH. SO WHAT IS HE REFERRING TO? THE ON THE, ON THE, ON THE SMALL KIDS, THE SMALL KIDS, THE PLAY CORE. BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT YOU KNOW AS WELL AS CHAD, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MIGRATION FROM BIG KIDS OVER TO LITTLE BIG MIGRATE TO THE LITTLES FOR WHATEVER REASON. THEY WANT TO USE THEIR SWINGS, THEY GET ON THEIR STUFF. I GOTTA BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE OF THERE. AND I CANNOT, I CAN'T SEE THAT THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR ME. THAT'S A PROBLEM. THEY'RE COOL LOOKING, SUPER FUN. AND IF ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL AND EVERYBODY PLAYED NICE, I GOT NO PROBLEM WITH IT. YEAH, YEAH. BUT FOR THE GUY THAT HAD TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT'S GOING ON IN THERE, NOT NOT A FAN. YEAH. REALLY COOL. ONE THING I'LL ADD TO ON THE SURFACING THAT WAS KIND OF UNIQUE FOR PLAY CORE. THEY, THEY HONOR A 15 YEAR WARRANTY ON THAT SURFACING, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS WILD BECAUSE THAT'S NOT NORMAL. 
          WHICH ONE? PLAY. PLAY MORE, PLAY MORE. I'M SORRY. PLAY MORE. THE FIRST ONE MORE THE FIRST SORRY. THIS PLAY CORE AND PLAY MORE GETS. IT'S THE FIRST OPTION THAT GAVE YOU THE PLAY MORE. AND WHAT IS THAT? IS THAT LIKE A GRASS LIKE A ARTIFICIAL TURF TURF. OKAY. WHICH IS WHY IT'S VERY UNIQUE BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS. I SAID, WHAT AM I LOOKING AT IF I'VE GOT TO REPLACE THIS? AND THEY SAID THAT THIS IS HAS A 15 YEAR WARRANTY. AND I SAID, WOW, OKAY. 
          HAVING DONE THAT, I MOST WE EVER GOT WAS SEVEN. YEAH. AND USUALLY IT WAS FIVE. SO THAT'S A BIG DEAL. THANKS. PLASTIC. I'M SURE ALL OF THIS HAS BEEN TESTED FOR THE SAFETY TO FOR MICROPLASTICS. YEAH. YEAH. SO THE, THE SLIDES ARE THE ONLY THING THAT REALLY PLASTIC. 
          EVERYTHING ELSE IS MADE OF A COMPOUND THAT'S NOT PLASTIC MATERIAL. IT'S LIKE A CONCRETE LIKE FIBERGLASS TYPE BASE THAT IS COMBINED. THEY KIND OF ELABORATE ON THE PROCESS. YOU CAN LOOK THROUGH THE, THE PRESENTATION I GAVE YOU. BUT YEAH, WHEN IT COMES TO THAT, THEY'RE ALL IN COMPLIANCE. IT'S GOING TO BE THE SAME MATERIAL YOU'RE GOING TO GET IN ANY SINGLE OR ANY PLAYGROUND THAT YOU GET. OKAY, SO KRAMER, YOUR NUMBER, I LIKE THEM JUST LIKE THEY RANKED THEM ONE, TWO AND THREE, JUST LIKE THEY SAID. IT'S MY FIRST CHOICE. WOULD WE PLAY MORE? OKAY. IN THESE IN THE DOCUMENTS, I DIDN'T SEE WARRANTY INFORMATION OR MAINTENANCE INFORMATION. YEAH. SO WE HAVE IT IN IN THE BIG PACKET IN HERE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WARRANTY, I CAN TELL YOU THAT MOST OF THE WARRANTIES ARE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THERE. 
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THEY. AND MAINTENANCE PACKAGE YOU. IT'S A SEPARATE COST. YEAH. MAINTENANCE IS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. IT'S GOING TO BE COVERED WITHIN THE WARRANTY. SO IF IT'S A WARRANTY ITEM, IF IT'S SOMETHING THEY FIGURE IS A DEFECT. NO. SOME KID GOES OVER THERE AND RIPS THE MALLET OFF OF THE MUSICAL INSTRUMENT. THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE A WARRANTY ITEM. THAT'S GOING TO BE A VANDALISM. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO WARRANTY VANDALISM. UNFORTUNATELY. THAT'S ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT HAPPENS WITH THE PLAYGROUNDS IS VANDALISM. SO BUT THEY ARE WARRANTY AND ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS. IT'S FAR MORE THAN ANYTHING THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THERE. AND ONE OF OUR BIGGEST THINGS IN THIS WHOLE APPROACH WAS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE, WHOEVER WE WENT WITH WOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF SYSTEM TO BE ABLE TO REPAIR THESE THINGS, TO KEEP DOWNTIME TO A MINIMAL. AND ALL OF THESE PREACHED AND SHOWED AND DISPLAYED THAT THEY HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF DOING THAT. AND THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO US. THANK YOU. SCHULTZ. YOU DID A REALLY GOOD JOB OF PRESENTING ALL THESE THINGS. I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE LONG TERM LONGEVITY OF IT, BECAUSE WITH THE SUN BEATING DOWN ON THINGS, THINGS DISCOLOR AND THEY GET VERY HOT. YOU KNOW, ON THE GOLF COURSE, YOU SIT AND GO SIT ON ONE OF THE BENCHES AND YOU'RE NOT SITTING THERE FOR HALF A SECOND. YOU'RE GETTING YOUR YOUR TOOK US UP. SO BESIDES THAT, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE SAFETY ASPECTS OF IT. SO I'LL LEAVE IT TO THE PARK EXPERTS. BUT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE LIABILITY. YEAH. SO THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, WITH ALL THE SHADE THAT YOU HAVE AROUND WITH THE TREES, AGAIN, IT DOESN'T REALLY SHOW YOU IF YOU'VE BEEN ON THAT PLAYGROUND, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY SHADES. 
          AND THEN WHEN YOU ARE SHADE, WHEN YOU HAVE SHADE INCORPORATED WITHIN THE MIDDLE, IT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE MORE SHADE OVER THIS PLAYGROUND THAN ANY PLAYGROUND WE'VE HAD. AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAD, WE WERE IN A SITUATION PRIOR TO WHERE THE ENVIRONMENT WAS VERY HARSH ON THE PLAYGROUND THAT WE HAD BEFORE, HAVING REPLACED BOARDS ALL THE TIME. THIS MATERIAL IS GOING TO HOLD UP FROM THE SUN AND THE ENVIRONMENT YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE FADING ON ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVE. THE GOOD THING IS, IS AGAIN, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE COMPANY, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO COME IN TO TOUCH UP THOSE THINGS ON THESE STRUCTURES. I DON'T HAVE THAT. IF I PUT A IF WE GO WITH A TRADITIONAL PLASTIC MATERIAL, WHEN IT FADES, IT'S FADED. THERE'S NO COMING BACK FROM THAT. THIS WE HAVE MORE CAPABILITY OF MAINTAINING THE ESTHETICS ON THAN WE WOULD ON A TRADITIONAL PLAYGROUND. NOW LIABILITY AGAIN, SAFETY BEEN THE NUMBER ONE THING THAT WE WENT TOWARDS. THIS IS GOING TO BE SAFER THAN, THAN ANY PLAYGROUND STRUCTURE THAT YOU CAN REALLY GET, BECAUSE THEY DO MEET ALL OF THOSE ASTM STANDARDS. THEY ARE THEY GO THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE ARE PART OF WHAT'S CALLED A PMA, WHICH IS INTERNATIONAL PLAY EQUIPMENT. IT'S A PROCESS THAT THEY GO THROUGH TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE COMPLIANT WITH THE SAFETY OF EVERYTHING. ONE OF THESE COMPANY ACTUALLY PLAY CORE. MAKE SURE OUR BIG BANYAN TREE ONE CARRIES A WHOLE SEPARATE LIABILITY INSURANCE THAT THEY USE TO COVER ANYTHING THAT MAY GO WRONG WITH THEIR, THEIR PLAYGROUND. SO IT'S A, A LOT OF THOUGHT GOES INTO THIS IS WHAT THESE COMPANIES DO. THEY, THEY, THEY DO SO MUCH RESEARCH. THEY HAVE SO MUCH STUFF POURED INTO IT. AND THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE A LEVEL OF POTENTIAL DANGER, SO TO SPEAK, AS A KID. BUT AS LONG AS THEY'RE PLAYING ON THE EQUIPMENT, THE WAY THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO PLAY ON THE EQUIPMENT AND THEY DON'T VANDALIZE IT, THERE SHOULD BE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE. THE ONE THING I'D NEVER CONSIDERED UNTIL I GOT INTO THIS POSITION WAS THE AMOUNT OF EXPOSURE THE CITY HAS JUST FOR SIDEWALKS, WALKING ON THE BEACH, SOMEBODY STUBS A TOE, THEY SUE. I MEAN, IT'S A LITIGATION HAPPY SOCIETY WE LIVE IN. AND WHEN SOME OF THESE WE HAVE TO GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSIONS TO DISCUSS SETTLEMENTS WITH INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE HAD SOME MALADY BEFALL THEM, AND THEN WE GET BLAMED FOR IT. AND THEN WE HAVE TO PAY TENS OF THOUSANDS OR MORE FOR THESE THINGS TO GO AWAY. AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT PEOPLE GET HURT, BUT IT'S JUST WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING UP DELIBERATE THINGS, I CAN JUST I'M JUST THINKING FROM GARY GARY'S HEADSET WITH, YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH EXPOSURE DO WE HAVE ACROSS THE BOARD WHILE TRYING TO DO SOMETHING VERY WELL INTENDED AND VERY WELL MEANING FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE COMMUNITY. AND SO I AM JUST BLOWN AWAY SOMETIMES BY THE STUFF THAT GETS TO US, BY GARY AND BY MATTHEW. ON PEOPLE THAT HAVE HAD SOMETHING HAPPEN. AND SO MY CONCERN IS, IS THE TAXPAYERS DOLLARS AND HOW MUCH LITIGATION THAT WE WILL END UP AT SOME POINT, SOMEBODY JUST DOING SOMETHING THAT SEEMED LOGICAL BUT REALLY WASN'T AT THE TIME. SO THOSE THOSE ARE MY BIGGEST CONCERNS IS THAT AND THEN THE 
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LONGEVITY, THE LENGTH OF SERVICE OF HOW LONG WILL THIS EXPENDITURE AMORTIZED OUT OVER HOW MANY YEARS, FIVE YEAR LIFESPAN, TEN YEAR LIFESPAN. WHAT WHAT IS THE LIFESPAN BEFORE WE WE NEED WE WOULD NEED TO REVISIT THIS. YEAH. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT A PLAYGROUND IN A COASTAL ENVIRONMENT, THE MOST YOU REALLY SHOULD GET OUT OF SOMETHING IS WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT STRUCTURE LIKE WORK AND CONSTRUCTION IS ABOUT 20 YEARS. 20, 25 YEARS IS AS MUCH AS YOU'RE GOING TO GET OUT OF ONE OF THESE STRUCTURES WITH SALT AIR, WITH SALT AIR. AND THAT'S WHAT DO YOU SAY PENDING. WE DON'T GET ANYTHING THAT'S PENDING. WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING THAT COMES INTO HERE THAT REALLY DISTRACT, DISRUPT IT. IF YOU GET A STORM SURGE THAT COMES IN, YOU COULD HAVE A LITTLE MORE PUSH. BUT LONGEVITY WISE, THEY'RE ALL PRETTY MUCH GOING TO LAST THE SAME. IF YOU HAVE TO GO IN AND DO SOME MAJOR RENOVATIONS TO IT, YOU CAN GET A LITTLE BIT LONGER AND STRETCH IT OUT. VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID WITH THE PREVIOUS PLAYGROUND. A LOT OF THE STRUCTURES THAT WERE IN THERE WERE COMPLETELY TORN OUT, REBUILT. THERE WAS TOWERS ADDED, THERE WERE THINGS THAT WERE ADDED INTO THERE. YOU CAN DO THAT. THAT'S NOT IDEAL. IT'S KIND OF ANYTHING HAS A LIFE EXPECTANCY. NOW, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT LIABILITY, YOU KNOW THE TREE THAT'S IN THE BACKGROUND OF THAT PICTURE RIGHT THERE. 
          THERE'S A LIABILITY FOR A KID CLIMBING UP THE TREE AND FALLING OUT A TREE. THERE'S JUST UNFORTUNATE THINGS THAT EXIST THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PARK. BUT YOU KNOW, PARK IS A PARK. AND A LOT OF US WERE ON THE THE PLAYGROUNDS OF DEATH, WHAT I CALL IT, WHICH IS VERY THAT'S WHERE I GREW UP IN YOU. AND YOU TRY TO SEE HOW QUICK YOU CAN SPEND ON A MERRY GO ROUND. AND THEY'VE MOVED OUT OF THAT. AND AGAIN, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SAFETY STANDARDS, THEY HAVE ALL EVOLVED OVER TIME. IF WE'RE ABLE TO PUT UP SIGNS LIKE BEWARE THAT YOU USE THIS AT YOUR OWN PERIL. YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T SEE THE CITY IF YOU FALL OFF THE FOOT SIGNS. WE HAVE TO THEN PROTECT WITH CAMERAS. WHAT KIND OF SIGNAGE IS THERE GOING TO BE? IF YOU GO ON TO THIS PREMISE THAT YOU TAKE YOUR LIFE INTO YOUR HANDS, THIS IS YOUR RISK. YOU CAN'T SUE THE CITY FOR DOING SOMETHING DUMB AS THE KIDS DO. I WISH IT WERE THAT EASY, BUT ULTIMATELY WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF QUESTIONS. MAYOR, IF I MAY REAL QUICK ON ON LIABILITY EXPOSURE WARRANTIES. AND I JUST WANT TO BIFURCATE THE ISSUE RIGHT NOW. RIGHT NOW WE NEED A SELECTION OF A VENDOR. OKAY. THEN WHAT OCCURS IS A RIGOROUS REVIEW OF CONTRACT AND NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND PURCHASING. IF NEGOTIATIONS FALL THROUGH, WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY, HEY, WE TRIED TO NEGOTIATE THE CONTRACT. THEY DIDN'T AGREE TO OUR TERMS. AND NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO A DIFFERENT VENDOR. BUT JUST PROCEDURALLY, I PROMISE YOU THERE WILL BE A REVIEW OF THE CONTRACT. THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL. WE WILL BE ADDED AS AN ADDITIONAL INSURED RISK MANAGEMENT WILL BE INVOLVED, AND WE WILL GO THROUGH THE STANDARD PROCESS LIKE WE DO WITH ANY VENDOR. IF ANYTHING, SELECTING A VENDOR GIVES YOU MORE PROTECTION BECAUSE YOU HAVE A SIGNED AGREEMENT, AS OPPOSED TO SOMEONE WHO IS JUST A CITIZEN THAT SLIPS AND FALLS ON SOMETHING IN THE BEACH. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SCHULTZ. IS IT ONE, 2 OR 3? YEAH, NO ONE. AND I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT ONE IS PLAY MORE CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. MY SELECTION IS DEFINITELY PLAY MORE. I LIKE THE FACT THAT, FOR INSTANCE, THAT THEY'RE IN FORT MYERS. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT SORT OF SCREAMED OUT AT ME WAS I DIDN'T SEE AN AMPLE AMOUNT. AND THAT'S NOT, NOT NOT A GOOD WORD. I KNOW OF SEATING FOR THE PARENTS. AND IF YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE SEATING, HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE SHADED. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE DO ABOUT DRINKING WATER. I SUPPOSE EVERYBODY'S SUPPOSED TO BRING HIS OWN. PERHAPS BECAUSE THERE'S A FOUNTAIN. THERE'S A WATER FOUNTAIN. OKAY, GREAT. AT ONE POINT IN TIME WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PARKS AND AND I THINK IT HAD TO DO WITH, WITH THE PLAYGROUND AREA, WE TALKED ABOUT PROVIDING PERHAPS A SORT OF A LITTLE WORKOUT AREA FOR THE PARENTS SO THAT THEY DIDN'T JUST HAVE TO SIT AND, YOU KNOW, BE IDLE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO THAT IDEA, BUT IF ANYBODY'S INTERESTED, WE MIGHT RESURRECT THAT AGAIN AT SOME POINT IN TIME. AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I THOUGHT WAS PERHAPS MAYBE SOME SMALL TABLES FOR THE, YOU KNOW, THE CHILD THAT HAS DONE HIS THING AND IS HAPPY TO SIT QUIETLY AND DO SOMETHING ELSE. AND THAT'S THE ONLY THOSE ARE THE ONLY THOUGHTS I HAD. IT'S AMAZING WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH PLAYGROUNDS TODAY. IT'S CLEAR YOU'RE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT IT. 
          SO THE BENCHES. I KNOW A COUPLE OF PEOPLE HAVE MENTIONED BENCHES. WE CAN PUT BENCHES AND ADD BENCHES TO ANY OF THESE DESIGNS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE THING. AND THAT'S WHERE I SAID WE PUT BENCHES. THEY INCORPORATE THEM IN HERE TO SHOW YOU THAT THERE'S BENCHES 
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THROUGHOUT. WE TRY TO STRATEGICALLY PLACE THOSE. MOST OF THE TIME WHEN WE PLACE THE BENCHES, WE GO WITH THEM. WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE THE ROTARY CLUB HAS DONATED FIVE BENCHES TO THE CITY FOR THIS PLAYGROUND. OKAY, SO WE INCORPORATE THOSE. AND I'VE TOLD EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE THESE FIVE BENCHES THAT THEY HAVE TO PUT INTO THE PLAYGROUND, AND THEY NEED TO HAVE AN IDEA OF WHERE IT'S GOING TO GO. SO WE'LL GO IN, WE'LL SAY, HEY, THIS IS GOOD. THIS IS A GOOD SHADED AREA. AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THIS WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE FOR ONE OF THE BENCHES TO GO. AND THEY'LL PUT THOSE BENCHES IN. SO I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO WRAPPED UP IN THAT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PLENTY OF SEATING FOR THAT. THE TIKI HUTS THAT ARE THERE, THERE'S TWO OF THEM. THEY'RE GOING TO REMAIN. 
          THERE'S PICNIC TABLES UNDER THOSE AS WELL. THERE'S ALSO PICNIC OR BENCHES JUST OUTSIDE THAT ARE ALONG THE WALKWAY THAT ARE UP UNDERNEATH THE SHADE AS WELL. SO WE'LL WE'LL HAVE PLENTY OF SEATING. I DON'T KNOW THAT I'LL HAVE SEATING FOR 400 PARENTS, BUT I'LL HAVE SEATING. 
          OKAY. BECAUSE THESE KIDS, KIDS THAT COME TO THIS PLAYGROUND ARE GOING TO WANT TO STAY FOR AN AMPLE AMOUNT OF TIME, AMPLE AMOUNT OF TIME. THEY REALLY ARE VERY ACCURATE. YOU WANT TO SAY IN LIEU OF A WORKOUT AREA FOR THE PARENTS, CAN WE GET A BEER GARDEN? THAT'S GOING TO BE YOUR DONATION. THAT'S THE LIABILITY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WITH THAT TAPPING, TAPPING YOU FOR THE BEER GARDEN. AND AND IF YOU NEED TO GET A WORKOUT, DON'T WORRY, RUNNING AFTER THESE KIDS AND THESE PLAYGROUNDS, THERE'S ENOUGH WORKOUT GOOD ENOUGH. AND WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT, I THINK AT ONE POINT IN TIME. SO IT'S SORT OF A WORKOUT ANYWAY. THANK YOU. GREAT. WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH PLAYGROUNDS TODAY. IT'S AMAZING. SO THANK YOU. YOUR TURN. THAT WAS ONE. YEAH. YEAH. 
          EXCELLENT WORK HERE. I THINK THE DESIGNS ARE GREAT. I'D BE HAPPY WITH 1 OR 2. I LIKE THEM BOTH. DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE FOR TWO TO MAKE THIS INTERESTING TO YOU? AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY. I MEAN, I LIKE ONE, BUT TWO TO ME IS MORE LIKE OUR ENVIRONMENT. YOU KNOW, I LOVE THE BANYAN TREE. I LOVE, AS COUNCILMAN BARTON SAID, THE WILDLIFE THAT'S NATIVE TO OUR AREA WOULD BE WOULD BE AWESOME. I, I GET THE THE QUESTIONS ABOUT ENHANCING SAFETY AND MAYBE THEY COULD ADD SOME WINDOWS OR TRANSPARENT SECTIONS TO LIKE THE FISH WHERE YOU CAN SEE IN WHAT'S GOING ON OR MORE WINDOWS. THE BANYAN TREE, TO ME LOOKS LIKE IT DOES HAVE A LOT OF OPEN SPACES, BUT MAYBE THEY COULD TWEAK THE DESIGN IF WE GO WITH THAT ONE TO, TO MAKE IT MORE WHERE YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S GOING ON INSIDE THE TREE. BUT I DO, I JUST WE HAVE, I LOVE THE BANYAN TREES THAT WE HAVE IN NAPLES. AND I THINK THAT'S JUST A UNIQUE PART OF OUR, OUR AREA ALONG WITH THE ANIMALS THAT, THAT YOU MENTIONED, MAYBE ADDED A PANTHER. THAT WOULD BE GOOD. 
          AND IT REMINDS ME OF IN THE IN THE BOSTON COMMON, THERE'S THIS REALLY NEAT SECTION THAT KIDS LOVE. THERE'S A STORY ABOUT THE DUCKS AND THERE'S A. THE MOM AND DAD DUCK, FOLLOWED BY LIKE EIGHT LITTLE BITTY DUCKLINGS. AND THE KIDS LOVE IT AND THEY'RE ALWAYS MAKING PICTURES THERE AND DECORATING THE DUCKS, PUTTING COSTUMES ON THE DUCKS. IT'S REALLY SOMETHING COOL FOR BOSTON. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE HAVE ANYTHING SIMILAR, BUT INTERESTING DRESS. THE BEARS GUYS GET NASTY. THAT'S INTERESTING. I LIKE THE IDEA OF ADDING THE MUSICAL ELEMENTS TO KIDS LIKE THAT SOMEWHERE. AND. AND THERE ARE ELEMENTS FROM ALL THREE DESIGNS THAT COULD END UP IN WHATEVER THE FINAL DESIGN IS THAT WE GO WITH. SO TO MAKE IT MORE INTERESTING, THE MAYOR GETS TO, OH NO, I'M WITH YOU. I GET I GET KRAMER'S CONCERNS JUST BEING A MOM AND NOT KNOWING. BUT I DON'T THINK YOU SIT DOWN. SO YOU'RE CONSTANTLY WATCHING. MY ONLY CONCERN IS THAT THE SMALLER IS SEPARATED BY THE LARGER. WITHOUT A FENCE THAT THEY COULD AT LEAST GO TO. 
          BECAUSE FOR SOMEONE WHO HAD AN OLDER CHILD AND A YOUNGER CHILD, ONE WAS ON ONE AND ONE WAS ON THE OTHER, AND THEY ALWAYS WANTED TO SWITCH AND FLIP FLOP. SO, YOU KNOW, KEEPING THE BIG KIDS AWAY FROM THE LITTLE KIDS, I DON'T THINK THAT FENCE IS GOING TO DO THAT JUST BECAUSE OF AGE GROUPS. BUT IF SOMEHOW WE CAN CONNECT IT SOMEHOW THAT MAKE IT EASIER SO THAT KIDS AREN'T LEAVING TO GO TO ONE OR THE OTHER AREA. YEAH. SO WE CAN THE ENTRANCES TO THE FENCES CAN BE ADJUSTED HOWEVER WE NEED. AGAIN, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE MODIFICATION THINGS. IT'LL BE 
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ONE OF THE LAST THINGS THAT GOES IN THERE. BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT WHEN YOU PUT IT IN A SENSE, WHEN YOU HAVE A, A LARGER CHILD, THEY AND YOU HAVE AN OPEN SPACE AND YOU CREATE A BIGGER OPEN SPACE, THEY'RE GOING TO RUN. THEY DON'T WALK TO THAT AREA. SO WHEN YOU HAVE A CHILD, A, A 10 OR 11 YEAR OLD RUNNING INTO A SECTION WITH A FOUR YEAR OLD OR FIVE YEAR OLD, THAT'S THE CONCERN. SO TRYING TO SLOW THAT DOWN SO THEY'LL STILL BE ABLE TO GO FROM ONE TO THE OTHER. 
          YOU JUST DON'T WANT THEM TO DO IT IN A FAST ACTION. AND THAT WAS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF THIS, WHICH IS THE WAY IT'S SET UP NOW. IT'S SET UP THAT WAY. NOW WITH THE WAY THAT THE FENCE IS SEPARATED AND YOU HAVE THE ONE OPENING THAT CAN ALWAYS BE SOMETHING THAT'S TWEAKED DOWN THE ROAD, WE SAY THAT'S JUST NOT WORKING. OKAY, SO TO KEEP GOING. I'M THE DETAILS WILL BE WORKED OUT LIKE RECEPTACLES AND WHETHER THEY'LL BE. ARE SIMILAR RECEPTACLES EASIER FOR GARBAGE PICKUP? I WON'T GO DOWN THAT ROAD, BUT I SAW IT WAS AN EXTRA COST ON ONE OF THEM AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE THOSE PULLED OUT BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE THE RECEPTACLES. OKAY, SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE'LL GO THROUGH. SO I'M I'M ACTUALLY TWO ALSO. SO AND I'M WITH DO YOU WANT TO RECAP WHAT YOU HEARD AS FAR AS ITEMS? I MEAN, THERE WERE ANIMALS. I HAVEN'T WRITTEN, IF I'M RIGHT AND THE TARPON AS OPPOSED TO THE. WHALE AND THE JUST THE GENERIC FISH ALLIGATOR, POTENTIALLY PANTHER POTENTIALLY. YEAH. AND NOBODY MENTIONED A BEAR, BUT OKAY. WELL, THERE WAS A BEAR. THERE WAS A BEAR IN THE BELIEVE. SO. OKAY. AND IT HAD A SEA TURTLE, WHICH ALSO WAS IT WAS ALREADY. YEAH, IT WAS ALREADY INCORPORATED IN THERE. 
          SO. OH, BY THE WAY, I NOTICED IT HAD A METAL SLIDE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, MIGHT AS WELL BE A FRYING PAN IN THE SUMMER. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THE METAL CAN BE REPLACED WITH SOME OTHER TYPE OF, IF YOU LOOK AT, I'LL HAVE TO CONFIRM IF THAT'S AN ACTUAL METAL SLIDE OR IF IT'S A DIFFERENT COMPONENT, IT JUST KIND OF LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT BE METAL, BUT WE'LL CONFIRM. AND IF THAT BROUGHT BACK PTSD FROM MY KIDS, FROM MY CHILDHOOD, SLIDING DOWN THESE THINGS IN THE MIDDLE OF SUMMER. YEAH, THAT THAT DOES BRING BACK MEMORIES. YEAH. OKAY. SO ANYTHING ELSE, MR. YOUNG, THAT YOU CAPTURED ON THIS? YEAH. WELL, THE ONLY THING IS, IS I JUST WANT TO GET CONSENSUS IS, I MEAN, I THINK I HAVE THE NUMBERS, BUT IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR A MOTION IF IF THAT'S THE WAY YOU'RE GOING AT THE MOMENT. I BELIEVE IT WAS PENNIMAN, KRAMER AND SCHULTZ AT THE ONE THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF AT 2.193 MILLION. THE OTHER ONE WAS CROWELL, BARTON, BLANKENSHIP AND AND MAYOR HEITMAN AT THE ONE THAT'S ROUGHLY 2.6. AND INCORPORATING THE ITEMS THAT I INDICATED HERE. AND I'D LIKE TO SIMPLY ADD TO THAT THAT, IF I MAY, IN REFERENCE TO NEGOTIATION ON EITHER ONE OF THOSE, IS THEY'RE BOTH AWESOME. SO, YOU KNOW, IF IF IF WE HAVE, IF WE BARELY HAVE A CONSENSUS FOR OPTION TWO HERE, BUT OPTION ONE ENDS UP BEING THE ONE THAT MAKES MORE SENSE FROM A NEGOTIATION STANDPOINT, BECAUSE THE ONE ONE VERSUS THE OTHER ISN'T WILLING TO, TO, TO DO WHAT WE NEED THEM TO DO AS A CITY. I'M NOT GOING TO BE UPSET WITH OPTION ONE. I, AGAIN, I STILL STAND BY MY I PREFER OPTION TWO, BUT NONETHELESS, WE'VE GOT TWO REALLY GOOD OPTIONS THERE. SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE FOUR. WE HAVE WELL, YEAH, YEAH. AND I PLEASE UNDERSTAND I WASN'T TRYING TO SWING ANYTHING BY SAYING THAT I, I, I DIDN'T QUANTIFY BY NAMES. I, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE ACCOUNTANT IN ME. I WAS QUANTIFYING IT BY WHAT THE PRICES WERE. SO THAT'S THE REASON I READ IT BACK IN THAT ORDER, I APOLOGIZE. I REALLY WASN'T TRYING TO SWING THAT. I JUST WANTED TO BE AUTHENTIC ABOUT THAT AS AS TO HOW I READ THEM BACK. SO THANK YOU. AND MAYOR, IF I COULD. THE WAY THIS WORKS IS YOU SELECT ONE, YOU NEGOTIATE WITH ONE. YEAH. OKAY. 
          AND SO, SO IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, IF YOU SELECT ONE, YOU NEGOTIATE ONE AND YOU CAN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT, THEN THEN YOU CAN GO TO NUMBER TWO. AND THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT. BUT ULTIMATELY, WHAT WOULD HELP MY NEGOTIATIONS, BECAUSE I BELIEVE NUMBER ONE, ACTUALLY HAD A 15 YEAR WARRANTY IS IF I CAN GET DIRECTION RIGHT NOW AS PART OF YOUR MOTION THAT YOU WOULD WANT. YEAH, OF, YOU KNOW, A 10 TO 15 YEAR WARRANTY. SO THAT WHEN I GO TO PLAY CORE, IF THEY OFFER SEVEN, I SAY I CAN ALREADY START WITH THAT. IT WOULD ACTUALLY HELP MY NEGOTIATION. I THINK YOU SHOULD USE USE. YEAH, USE EVERY LEVER YOU HAVE POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THE BEST DEAL FROM AS A, AS A, AS A COMMUNITY. AND IF AND IF THAT BEST DEAL IS NOT THE ONE THAT WE ARE LEANING TOWARDS AS A GROUP, THEN LET'S GO FOR THE OTHER ONE. THAT'S ALSO A GREAT OPTION IS MY OPINION. OKAY WITH THAT? DO I HAVE I WOULD JUST LIKE YOU TO ACTUALLY TAKE THE VOTE TO MEMORIALIZE WHAT YOU DID, WHAT I BELIEVE THAT I WROTE DOWN, IF IT'S ACCURATE OR NOT, THAT'LL BE IN THE VOTE. I WOULD LIKE A MOTION AND A SECOND ONE, 2 OR 1. OR DO YOU WANT TO MAKE DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION FOR THE 
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ONE THAT WE SEEM TO HAVE A CONSENSUS ON? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR A MOTION TO RECOMMEND? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. THE COMPANY THAT YOU INTEND TO AWARD FOR US TO NEGOTIATE, TO INITIATE NEGOTIATIONS, TO BRING BACK A CONTRACT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF PLAYGROUND. 
          OKAY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PROCEED WITH NEGOTIATIONS WITH THE WITH WHAT IS OPTION TWO, WHICH IS THE PLAY CORE OPTION FOR THE CAMBIER PARK PLAYGROUND. I'LL SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARL. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ NO. COUNCIL MEMBER PENNYMAN. YES. 
          VICE MAYOR. BLANKENSHIP. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. CRAMER. NO. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. KROL. YES. MAYOR. HARTMAN. YES. IT PASSES 5 TO 2. WITH THAT. THANK YOU. 
          GOOD LUCK. SO I'LL SAY THIS IN CLOSING, WE HAD TWO GOOD OPTIONS. AND I THOUGHT YOU DID A GREAT JOB. BUT I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO ALL THESE COMPANIES FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER. IT TAKES A LOT. SO THANK YOU TO THE COMPANIES AND THANK YOU. WE HOPE WE WANT THEM TO STILL BE ENCOURAGED TO GO TOWARDS OTHER PROJECTS. CORRECT. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, IT IS APPROXIMATELY 115 AND WE NEED TO TAKE A LUNCH BREAK. IF WE CAN TAKE 20 MINUTES. COUNCIL. 
          OKAY. THEN WE'RE AT LUNCH OKAY,K FROM LUNCH AND WE'RE CONTINUING ON WITH ITEM 14 B. MR. YOUNG, 
          [14.B) A Follow-Up Discussion and Direction Regarding Special Event Capacities, Limiting the Quantity of Events in Public Space, and Special Event Permit Manual Revisions.]
THIS IS JUST A PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION SEEKING DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION RELATED TO SPECIAL EVENT CAPACITIES AND LIMITING THE QUANTITY OF EVENTS, POTENTIALLY AS WELL AS CERTAIN SECTIONS OF THE MANUAL. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO CHAD MERRITT. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. CHAD MERRITT, COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR SO I'VE GOT A KIND OF AN OUTLINE TO KIND OF NAVIGATE THROUGH AND GENERATE THE CONVERSATION. I DO WANT TO AT LEAST MAKE THE STATEMENT THAT THIS IS NOT SET IN STONE. NOTHING IN HERE SET IN STONE, OBVIOUSLY, UNTIL YOU ALL GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND AND A RESOLUTION HAS TO BE ACCEPTED. SO THIS IS US MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON PREVIOUS CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PRESENTATION. SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN HERE AND YOU SAY THIS IS ABSOLUTELY CRAZY, LET'S NOT DO IT, THEN LET'S NOT DO IT. AND LET'S MAKE NOTE AND LET'S MAKE THE CHANGE. 
          IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU SAY WE NEED TO ADD, THEN LET'S THEN SAY THAT AND LET'S TRY TO GET THAT ADDITION. SO WHEN WE PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER, THIS, THE LAST TIME THIS THING WAS UPDATED WAS IN 2022. SO WE NEED TO UPDATE IT. WE'VE KIND OF MOVED THROUGH THIS. WE KNOW THAT WE NEED SOME, SOME CHANGES, ETC. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'LL LEAD WITH THAT. SO SORRY. 
          I'M TRYING TO GET MY IPADS NOT. WORKING. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I'LL, I'LL, I'LL USE THE OUTLINE FOR NOW. SO SPECIAL EVENTS. SO THE FIRST THING THAT WE REALLY HAVE TO UNDERSTAND IS HOW WE'RE DEFINING THIS SPECIAL EVENT. SO RIGHT NOW, THE WAY WE DEFINE A SPECIAL EVENT IS A SPECIAL EVENT. IS, ARE ANY PUBLIC OR PRIVATE ORGANIZED OUTDOOR AND OR OPEN AIR ACTIVITIES HELD OR CONDUCTED ON A TEMPORARY BASIS WHICH ARE APART FROM OR IN ADDITION TO ACTIVITIES NORMALLY ASSOCIATED WITH AND PERMITTED AT A SPECIFIC LOCATION. A SPECIAL A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT MUST BE OBTAINED AND MAY BE GRANTED FOR TEMPORARY AND SPECIFIC TIME PERIODS FOR SUCH OUTDOOR AND OPEN AIR ACTIVITIES, SUCH AS, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, AIR SHOWS, ART SHOWS, BLOCK NEIGHBORHOOD PARTIES, BOAT, CAR, RV, BIKE AND OTHER SIMILAR EQUIPMENT SHOWS. WE. WE PUT THAT IN THERE BECAUSE WE HAD. BEFORE IT WAS JUST CAR SHOWS. WELL, SOMEBODY HAS A BOAT SHOW. 
          WHERE ARE WE AT ON THAT? SO WE TRIED TO EXPAND. SO WE DID ADD THAT WE ADDED THE BLOCK AND NEIGHBORHOOD PARTIES. WE PUT THAT IN HERE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE DO CURRENTLY PERMIT THOSE THROUGH THIS PROCESS. SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO TAKE OUT, LET ME KNOW. 
          CARNIVALS, CEREMONIES, CONCERTS, PERFORMANCES, CULTURAL ART EVENTS OR CULTURAL EVENTS, EDUCATIONAL EVENTS, FESTIVAL AND FAIRS, FIREWORKS, DRONE SHOWS, HISTORICAL EVENTS, PARADES. PUBLIC ASSEMBLIES. RACES, WALKING EVENTS, STREET DANCES, AND OTHER SIMILAR 
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ACTIVITIES. WE TRIED TO COVER EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE THAT'S WITHIN HERE. IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO TO MAKE CHANGES TO, THEN BY ALL MEANS LET'S LET'S DO THAT. BUT I THINK THE NEXT THING IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE EVENTS AND WHAT REQUIRES CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL? CURRENTLY, WHAT REQUIRES CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL IS OFF STREET PARKING, AMPLIFIED ENTERTAINMENT, CROWDS, OVER 1500 FIREWORKS AND AIR SHOWS AND STREET CLOSURES. SO IS THERE SOME OF THESE THINGS THAT WE CAN PULL BACK FROM? IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO TIE DOWN? DO WE WANT TO MAKE IT MORE STRICT? DO WE WANT TO LOOSEN THE STRINGS? I'LL ACTUALLY OPEN IT UP SINCE WE'LL INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH BLANKENSHIP, BUT I JUST ONE QUESTION. YOU SAID DRONE SHOWS. WE DON'T HAVE DRONE SHOWS, DO WE? WE DON'T. BUT IF WE END UP HAVING A REQUEST, WHICH WE HAVE MULTIPLE REQUESTS, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE AN APPLICATION PROCESS. OTHERWISE THEY'RE NOT COVERED IN HERE. OKAY. BUT WE ALSO HAVE AVIATION RULES ON THAT. CORRECT? THERE ARE. OKAY. AND I'M SURE THERE'S OTHER CLASSIFICATION OF RULES ON DRONES. YEAH. I MEAN, THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW. THERE'S FEDERAL GUIDELINES FOR THAT AND THEY HAVE TO GET PERMISSIONS FROM AIRPORT AUTHORITY OR FAA OR FAA SO THAT THAT STUFF CAN CAN BE HANDLED. FROM OUR STANDPOINT, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO HAVE A DRONE SHOW THAT IT'S GOT TO GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS, OR THEY CAN JUST GO HAVE A DRONE SHOW AND GET THE REQUIREMENTS FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. AND, AND THERE THERE'S A DRONE CHECK. 
          SO IF YOU DON'T WANT DRONE SHOW INCLUDED IN THIS, WE CAN. NO, I'M JUST ASKING BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW WE HAD DRONE SHOWS IN OUR HANDBOOK. YEAH. WE DO NOT HAVE DRONE SHOWS RIGHT NOW, BUT WE HAVE HAD THREE REQUESTS FOR DRONE SHOWS IN THE CITY. OKAY. BLANKENSHIP YEAH, A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS ON THIS, THIS FIRST PAGE. SO PRIVATE EVENTS, I, I THINK SOME OF THESE DON'T NEED A PERMIT LIKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARTIES, IF THEY'RE UNDER A CERTAIN SIZE, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE LIMIT IS, BUT MAYBE IF IT'S LESS THAN 50 PEOPLE OR LESS THAN 30 PEOPLE, BUT HAVE SOME SIZE LIMIT WHERE YOU DON'T NEED A PERMIT, IF YOU'RE JUST HAVING A FEW FAMILIES OVER FOR A NEIGHBORHOOD PARTY OR YOU'RE HAVING A WEDDING AT YOUR HOME BACKYARD WEDDING, AND IT'S A SMALLER EVENT, AGAIN, MAYBE A SIZE REQUIREMENT ON IT, AS LONG AS THERE'S NOT SOME BIG ROCK BAND OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S GOING TO BOTHER THE NEIGHBORS. BUT THINK ABOUT SOME DE MINIMIS TYPE EXCEPTION WHERE IF IT'S JUST A SMALL EVENT, YOU REALLY DON'T NEED A PERMIT FOR IT. QUICK QUESTION, IF YOU DON'T MIND. IS IT THE AMPLIFIED SOUND THAT DRIVES THE THE NEED OR REQUIREMENT FOR A PERMIT IN MOST OF THOSE SITUATIONS? YEAH. 
          SO WHEN THEY HAVE AMPLIFIED SOUND OUTDOORS. NOW IF YOU'RE HAVING. WELL, THAT'S FOR CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL. BUT WHAT I READ UP TOP IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT FOR ANYTHING YOU WANT TO DO. YEAH. IT MAY NOT HAVE TO COME TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH AN APPLICATION PROCESS WITH THE CITY TO HAVE A BLOCK PARTY. YEAH. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT A BLOCK PARTY, YOU WOULD WANT TO LOOK AT A BLOCK PARTY AS MYSELF, COUNCILMAN BARTON AND COUNCILMAN KRAMER, WE LIVE NEXT DOOR TO EACH OTHER AND WE WANT TO GO AND HAVE A BLOCK PARTY. 
          WE WANT TO SHUT DOWN THE CUL DE SAC AND, AND HAVE A STAGE THAT'S A BLOCK PARTY. AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE A PERMIT. NOW, IF WE GET TOGETHER AND SAY, I WANT TO LET'S GO HANG OUT AT COUNCILMAN BARTON'S HOUSE AND DO KARAOKE AND HAVE A COOKOUT INSIDE, THEN THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE A PERMIT. SO ANYTHING THAT'S THE OPEN AIR AND WHAT'S WHAT WE TRY TO CAPTURE IS ONCE YOU GET THAT AMPLIFIED ENTERTAINMENT THAT'S OUTDOORS, THAT'S WHERE IT BECOMES. AND, AND THAT DOES GET A LITTLE TRICKY BECAUSE IF I WANTED TO HANG OUT BY THE POOL AND HAVE A COOKOUT, AND I WANTED TO HAVE A SPEAKER OVER HERE AND PLAY MUSIC, DOES THAT MEAN THAT I GOT TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL? AND THAT'S SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE GOT TO CLARIFY ON THAT. 
          AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT BECAUSE WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE AT? DO WE SAY WE HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE? DO WE FOLLOW THE NOISE ORDINANCE? AND AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T DO THAT AND YOU'RE NOT CLOSING STREETS DOWN, AND IT'S DURING THE DAY BEFORE 9:00, WHATEVER, IS THAT GOING TO BE ACCEPTABLE? THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, BECAUSE WE'RE FOR MAKING IT AS EASY AS AS YOU MENTIONED, TWO THINGS THERE. YOU SAID COUNCIL APPROVAL AND PERMIT. SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS TAKE COUNCIL APPROVAL OFF THE PAGE, OFF THE 
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OUT OF THE EQUATION FOR A SECOND. IF SOMEBODY HAS AN OUTDOOR PARTY AND THEY'VE GOT A GUY THAT CAME OVER TO PLAY GUITAR AND HE'S GOT AN AMPLIFIER, RIGHT? AND HE'S PLAYING GUITAR ON THE DECK, AMPLIFIED SOUND OUTSIDE, DOES THAT TRIGGER THE NEED FOR A PERMIT IN THAT SCENARIO? IT BASED ON THE CURRENT MANUAL? YES IT DOES. OKAY. THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING IF ANY AMPLIFIED SOUNDS. IT COULD BE SIX PEOPLE SITTING OUT THERE, BUT ONE OF THEM, YEAH, YEAH, ONE OF THEM OR SINGING KARAOKE. IT'S TECHNICALLY THAT'S A PERMIT. YEP. WHICH I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S THAT SEEMS EGREGIOUS. YEAH. IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE. YEAH. WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT SOME KIND OF COMMON SENSE RULES THAT STAFF CAN FOLLOW WHERE, WHERE PEOPLE DON'T NEED A PERMIT AND HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. OR IT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE APPROVED PRETTY QUICKLY ADMINISTRATIVELY. YEAH. AND I, I KIND OF GO BACK TO WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE NOISE ORDINANCE THAT'S IN EFFECT AND THAT DOES HELP WITH THAT. SO DO WE GO TO THE POINT WHERE WE SAY, THIS IS JUST ME THROWING OUT IDEAS, BUT YOU'VE GOT WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT THREE PEOPLE WANTING TO HAVE A BLOCK PARTY. WHEN YOU SHUT DOWN A ROAD. TO ME, THAT WOULD TRIGGER AN APPLICATION OR A CUL DE SAC, OR I'M GONNA HAVE THREE HOMES COMING IN WITH A STAGE OUTSIDE. THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF THINGS. BUT HOW DO YOU CAPTURE THAT? BECAUSE SOMEBODY COULD JUST SAY, OH, IT'S JUST A REGULAR GATHERING. SO WHAT IF WE GOT A STAGE OVER HERE AND PEOPLE ARE PLAYING? WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND THE GUY PLAYING THE GUITAR OVER HERE PLUGGED INTO AN AMPLIFIER? WELL, THERE'S A LOT. BUT HOW DO WE GET THERE? SO I'D SAY IS BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU'RE AFFECTING TRAFFIC ON CITY STREETS. IF YOU'RE BLOCKING A STREET. I THINK THAT'S PRETTY CLEAR. THAT WOULD REQUIRE A PERMIT. BUT I YOU'RE RIGHT THAT THERE'S GOT TO BE LANGUAGE THERE THAT, THAT THAT GIVES US THE CLARITY OF WHEN, WHEN, WHEN DO THEY HAVE TO COME IN AND FILL OUT AN APPLICATION? OR WHEN IS IT JUST JUST ANOTHER PARTY ON, YOU KNOW, IN SOMEBODY'S BACKYARD? I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S AN EFFECT OF TRYING TO COME UP WITH A WORDING TODAY, RIGHT? DRAFTING BY A COMMITTEE, BUT THAT'S JUST A THOUGHT TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME DELINEATION. SOME SMALLER GATHERINGS DON'T NEED A PERMIT AT ALL. OTHERS MAYBE IT'S ADMINISTRATIVE AND THE COUNCIL. I'D RATHER THERE'S SOME STUFF COMING TO COUNCIL I DON'T THINK NEEDS TO. LIKE IF SOMEBODY'S HAVING AMPLIFIED SOUND DURING THE DAY AT AN EVENT AT BAKER PARK, I DON'T THINK THAT THERE'S NO HOMES AROUND THERE, NOT AS LONG AS THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE NOISE ORDINANCE. THE JETS FLYING OVERHEAD ARE LOUDER THAN THE MUSIC. SO WHY DOES IT NEED TO COME TO COUNCIL? YEAH, BECAUSE WE HAVE WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT RENT THE GOMEZ CENTER FOR WEDDING. AND IF THEY HAVE IT ON THE BACK LAWN, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO TOSS AROUND IS, OKAY, IF THEY'RE DOING THE WEDDING OUT THERE AND THEY HAVE AMPLIFIED SOUND, NOW WE HAVE TO NOT ONLY TAKE THEIR DO THE RENTAL AGREEMENT, BUT WE HAVE TO BRING IT TO YOU ALL FOR A WEDDING. SO TO US, THAT'S WHAT THE SPACE IS INTENDED ON. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU ALL APPROVED NOT LONG AGO WAS THE SCHOOL USING THE PARK IN THE SPACE IN THE PARK FOR WHAT IT'S INTENDED TO BE USED FOR. 
          SO IF I HAVE A WEDDING RENTAL AT THE GOMEZ CENTER, WHICH IS A RENTAL FACILITY FOR THAT PURPOSE, I SHOULD BE ABLE TO JUST GO AHEAD AND ALLOW THAT THOSE THINGS TO HAPPEN, AS LONG AS IT'S WITHIN REASON. THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, A STAGE AT BAKER PARK, THERE'S THE BANDSHELL AT CAMBIER PARK. YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO HAVE THEIR DANCE RECITAL, IT CAN BE YOUR PARK AND THEY HAVE MUSIC. DOES IT REALLY NEED TO COME TO COUNCIL? YOU KNOW, IF SOMEBODY'S HAVING CHRISTMAS CAROLS WHERE THERE'S SINGING CHRISTMAS CAROLS IN THE PARK, DO THOSE DOES THAT REALLY NEED TO COME TO COUNCIL? IT SEEMS LIKE WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME COMMON SENSE GUIDELINES THAT AS LONG AS YOU'RE FOLLOWING THE NOISE ORDINANCE. AND AGAIN, IT'S WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT DOING STUFF AT MIDNIGHT. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF AS LONG AS IT'S BEFORE, IT'S WHEN LIKE NORMAL HOURS, YOU KNOW, IT'S OVER BY 8 P.M. OR WHATEVER THE RIGHT TIME FRAME IS. AND IT'S A NORMAL LEVEL OF SOUND. THAT TO ME SEEMS IT COULD BE DONE BY STAFF AS PART OF THE PARK RENTAL PROCESS. IF I MAY. I'D ALSO ADD TO THAT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE. 
          THERE'S A BIG DEAL. SO IF IT'S MORE THAN WHATEVER, 200, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS. 
          Y'ALL WOULD PROBABLY KNOW THAT BETTER THAN ME. BUT YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. YOU KNOW, MY NUMBERS WERE WAY LOWER THAN YOURS WERE. CHAD. JUST BECAUSE IT STILL NEEDS TO BE A PARK. AND JUST BECAUSE THE YOU STILL GOT A PARK AND JUST, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT. YEAH, I'M JUST THINKING THERE'S SOME THERE SHOULD BE SOME ALLOWANCE FOR SMALLER TYPE 100% THAT ARE NOT INVASIVE. THEY DON'T BOTHER THE NEIGHBORS THAT IT SHOULD BE AN EASIER PROCESS. YEAH. I MEAN, I'VE SAID BEFORE, THE FACT IS YOU GET YOU MAY GET WHATEVER YOU WANT TO DO A CHURCH POTLUCK AND HAVE A COUPLE HUNDRED PEOPLE SHOW UP. BUT I DON'T CARE WHERE. WHAT WOULD THE CITY HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THAT, YOU KNOW? WELL, I'LL MEET AT THE BEACH. I'LL MEET YOU AT THE PARK. I'LL MEET YOU WHEREVER. I DON'T KNOW IF THE CITY WOULD. I DON'T THINK, DO ANYTHING ABOUT 
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THAT. SO TO FLIP SIDE IT, IF WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO CREATE. 
          I MEAN, THE WHOLE REASON WE DISCUSS MOST. OUR MAIN TOPIC IS SPECIAL EVENTS. IS THAT IT GOES TO THE EXTREME. AND IT HAS BEEN A CONCERN THAT WE HAVE TOO MANY SPECIAL EVENTS IN ONE LOCATION AND AT WEEKEND AFTER WEEKEND. SO IF WE CAN MAYBE LOOK AT SOME THINGS LIKE THAT, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU. BUT WE REALLY NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING. WHEN YOU FOCUS ON THE MAJOR EVENTS THAT ARE CAUSING THE PROBLEMS. YEAH, I WOULD SAY SO. AND I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT TO YOUR POINT ALSO, HOW HOW MANY WOULD WE WANT TO HAVE WHEN WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT IT TO WHERE YOU CAN'T HAVE CONSECUTIVE WEEKENDS IN THE SAME PARK, THAT SORT OF THING? BECAUSE THAT'S I KNOW WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION. AND SO MAYBE WE'RE PUTTING THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE A LITTLE BIT, AND MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT AT A WORKSHOP BECAUSE OR STAFF COULD BRING BACK RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT WE JUST DEFINITELY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THOSE AREAS. BUT I MEAN, I DIDN'T KNOW FOR YEARS THAT YOU HAD TO I MEAN, YOU HAVE A KID'S BIRTHDAY PARTY AND YOU HAD A KARAOKE MACHINE. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LET THE COMMUNITY KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO GET A PERMIT, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK MOST PEOPLE REALIZE THE IT'S TOUGH. BUT YEAH, LIKE AT THE MOORINGS BEACH PARK, BEFORE I WAS INVOLVED, THEY DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO GET A PERMIT WHEN THEY HAD SOMEBODY PLAYING THE GUITAR AT THE ANNUAL MEETING, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S KIND OF A SILLY REQUIREMENT, BUT IT WAS A REQUIREMENT. YEAH. SO I THINK TRYING TO COME UP WITH A A GRID OR CRITERIA FOR WHAT, WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO MANAGE ARE THE MAJOR EVENTS THAT HAVE THAT CLOSED STREETS THAT HAVE REALLY LOUD SOUND, THAT INTRUDE INTO MAYBE NIGHTTIME HOURS OR AFFECT BUSINESSES AND NEIGHBORS ADVERSELY. THOSE ARE THE THINGS I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO GET AT MONITORING AND MANAGING. YEAH. AND FOR US, YOU KNOW, KEEP IN MIND THAT WE, WE HAVE AN ENTIRE COMMITTEE THAT LOOKS THROUGH THESE THINGS. AND A LOT OF TIMES WE KNOW BEFORE IT EVEN REACHES YOU ALL, WHAT WE FEEL WOULD BE A, THE ITEMS THAT WE HAVE CONCERNS WITH DO USUALLY END UP ON DISCUSSION. THE OTHER ITEMS END UP ON CONSENT. SO WE HAVE A PRETTY GOOD. WE'RE ABLE TO GAUGE WHAT NEEDS TO GO THROUGH. WE ALSO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER, CITY MANAGER I. HE PROBABLY HEARS ABOUT SPECIAL EVENTS MORE THAN HE EVER WANTS TO, BUT WE TALK THROUGH THAT TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS THE SITUATION WE'RE IN. THERE ARE SOME THAT WE WOULD LOVE TO JUST DO IT JUST TO PROVE IT, BECAUSE THEY DON'T IMPACT ANYTHING. AND BECAUSE OF BEING CONSISTENT, WE HAVE TO BE CONSISTENT. AND THEN THIS IS WHERE WE END UP AND WE END UP WITH SOMEBODY'S EVENT THAT'S BEEN TURNED DOWN, THAT'S TRYING TO HAVE ONE. WE GOT ONE RIGHT NOW THAT'S TRYING TO COME IN JUNE, AND JUST SOMETHING ON A STAGE. AND IT'S SIMPLE. AND TO ME, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO JUST TO JUST APPROVE AND, AND MOVE ON. NOW WE STILL DANIELLE DOES AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB WITH SENDING. 
          THIS IS THE THE EVENTS THAT ARE COMING. THIS IS WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THIS COMING MONTH. THIS IS WHAT'S ON THE THE DOCKET RIGHT NOW. AND THAT COMMUNICATION CAN STILL TAKE PLACE. IT CAN WE CAN STILL SEND SOMETHING IN TIED IN TO CITY COUNCIL. SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT ARE COMING UP SO THAT EVERYBODY'S IN THE KNOW. SO IT DOESN'T KEEP YOU IN, IN THE DARK. BUT WE I THINK WE WOULD STAFF WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE FLEXIBILITY TO APPROVE SOME OF THE SIMPLE THINGS, AND I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF MAJORITY DOES, BUT YEAH, BUT WE WOULD LOOK TO YOU, I THINK, TO BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE AND SAY, THIS IS THE CRITERIA WE WOULD FOLLOW, AND I WOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE CRITERIA ALSO GO. I DON'T SEE ANYONE OPPOSED TO THAT. BUT MAY I MAKE A SUGGESTION? I ACTUALLY LIKED WHAT WE DID EARLIER TODAY WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDY. SMALL, MAJOR, MINOR. I THINK THAT ONE DEFINITION OF SPECIAL EVENTS DOES A DISSERVICE. AND I THINK BREAKING THEM OUT. SO IT'S NOT ONE BIG GROUP OF CRITERIA THAT ONE GROUP OF CRITERIA COMES TO COUNCIL. SMALL MAY NEVER COME, BUT LET'S DEFINE IT MORE CLEARLY. YOU KNOW, MINOR MAY COME, BUT IT DEPENDS. RIGHT. AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE WITH THE SENTENCE. IT SAYS, IF IT'S NOT INTENDED FOR WHETHER IT'S A TEMPORARY USAGE OF WHICH IT'S NOT PROVIDED. IF I HAVE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT IS MAKING DONUTS AND THEY'RE HAVING A BLOCK PARTY OR A PARKING LOT PARTY, AND THEY'RE SELLING BEER TICKETS AND HAVING AMPLIFIED SOUND, I WANT YOU TO SEE IT. SO THAT CRITERIA SHOULD BE IT CAN BE SUBJECTIVE DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF EVENT AS WELL. SO, SO I THINK THAT IF WE DID IT IN THAT WAY AND MADE THE DEFINITIONS A LITTLE CLEARER AT THE FRONT, THAT WOULD ARTICULATE AT LEAST OUR 
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JUMPING OFF POINT BETTER ON SOME OF THEM, AS YOU INDICATED, TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT YOU ALL JUST SAID. SO I JUST THINK THAT MAY MAKE IT A LITTLE CLEARER BEFORE WE GOT DOWN INTO THE OTHER SECTIONS. BUT IF I MAY, MAYOR. YES, PLEASE. TO THE VICE MAYOR'S POINT, ONE OF THE STUPIDEST THINGS I THINK THAT EXISTS IS THAT SOMEBODY IN A HANGAR AT THE AIRPORT WHERE JETS ARE GOING OFF HAS TO COME HERE TO TALK ABOUT AMPLIFIED SOUND. THAT'S RIDICULOUS TO ME. 
          YEAH, AS IF IT'S ANOTHER GOOD EXAMPLE. YEAH, I JUST JET NOISE AND THERE'S NO HOMES THERE. 
          THERE'S NO. EXACTLY. AND IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY. IF IT'S IF THEY OWN THE HANGAR, LIKE I DON'T GET IT, BUT THERE ARE THERE IS A COUPLE THINGS AND I'M GOING TO GIVE JUST A SMALL AMOUNT OF PUSHBACK THERE OTHER THAN PUSH ME THE IDEAL, THE IDEAL THING WOULD BE THAT THOSE ORGANIZATIONS COME AND HAVE AN EVALUATION OF THEIR FACILITY, BECAUSE YOU HAVE AMPLIFIED SOUND AND TRIGGERS THAT ARE FIRE IN NATURE, THAT IF THE THE SOUND IS BLARING AND THEY'RE NOT EQUIPPED TO SHUT OFF IN THE EVENT OF A FIRE, NOW YOU DON'T HAVE THINGS BEING HEARD. SO YOU HAVE LIFE SAFETY PLANS. SO I, I ACTUALLY THINK THAT A MORE BENEFICIAL SCENARIO IS OUTLINE WHERE YOU WANT TO HAVE THOSE AREAS. SO WE CAN MAKE SURE YOU'RE EQUIPPED FOR IT, PROVIDED THEY'RE EQUIPPED FOR IT FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE. THEN IT BECOMES AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. SO I, I ONLY CAUTION THAT BECAUSE I DON'T AND I GET THAT, AND I'M REALLY THINKING ABOUT EVENT THERE IN THE SAME SPOT EVERY TIME IT'S THIS, THIS THING THEY ALWAYS DO. AND I'M LIKE, YEAH. AND IF IT'S IN THE SAME SPOT EACH TIME, THEN THEY WOULD JUST BRING IT IN AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE HAVE FROM A LIFE SAFETY PLAN THAT THOSE INSTRUMENTS ARE IN PLACE. SO EVERYONE'S PROTECTED, AND THEN WE CAN WALK AWAY AND KNOW THAT THAT'S A COMFORTABLE SCENARIO. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALWAYS THAT WAY. WHEN THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT AUTHORIZED TO BE PROGRAMED IN THAT WAY. LET LET'S MAKE A PROCESS BY WHICH WE CAN DO THAT. THEN ONCE THEY'RE AUTHORIZED IN THAT CAPACITY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO SEE THEM AGAIN. THAT'S THE ONLY THING I SAY. YEAH. AND I AGREE WITH YOU BECAUSE THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY MANAGER AND I GOT ON EASTER EVE AND THANK GOODNESS, YOU KNOW, HE ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN. BUT THERE WAS A BIG EVENT HAPPENING IN A HANGAR THAT THEY DIDN'T HAD MISCOMMUNICATION. SOME OF THEM THOUGHT THEY WERE THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO GET A PERMIT. 
          AND THE PERSON WHO OWNS THE HANGAR DIDN'T GET THE PERMIT. AND BASICALLY STAFF, RIGHTFULLY SO, WAS SAYING, WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE A PERMIT, YOU CAN'T DO THIS. BUT WE GOT INVOLVED AND MR. YOUNG MADE THE DECISION. I MEAN, AS LONG AS IT WASN'T A SAFETY ISSUE, HE WENT AHEAD AND DID IT. BUT THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE NEED TO PREVENT FROM HAPPENING TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE IS PLANNED, A SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLAR EVENT, VILLAGE SCHOOL, YES, WAS ONE OF THEM. 
          AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU KNOW, NOBODY KNEW ABOUT IT BUT THE TENTS, THE SAFETY. AND THEN I THINK WE HAVE TO GO TO THE POLICE CHIEF ON SECURITY BECAUSE ANY ANYBODY COULD COME. 
          AND THAT IS A VERY HIGH, INTENSE, VULNERABLE AREA. WE WANT TO I MEAN, THERE'S NO SCREENING. ANYBODY COULD COME IN THERE. WE DON'T KNOW MAYBE WHAT INTENTIONS MIGHT BE. SO I THINK WE HAVE TO ASK, YOU KNOW, FOR SAFETY REASONS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE I MEAN, SAME REASON WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT HAVING BARRIERS AT THE PARK THAT SOME IDIOT MAY COME AND DRIVE THROUGH AND HURT SOMEBODY. BUT I GET YOUR POINT AND I'M WITH YOU ON THAT. SO. ARE YOU COMPLETE BLANKENSHIP ON THIS PAGE? YEAH, ON THIS PAGE. ANYBODY ELSE? OPINION? I THINK A LITTLE COMMENT HERE. I WONDER IF WE SHOULD HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SENSITIVITY ABOUT EVENTS ON FIFTH, A LITTLE SENSITIVITY RELATIVE TO THE BID AND WHETHER OR NOT THE BID IS BENEFITING TO SOME DEGREE BY SPECIAL EVENTS. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE THEIR INPUT. TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST WITH YOU. I THINK THERE ARE SOME MAYBE WHERE THEY BENEFIT GREATLY, SOME WHERE THEY HONESTLY DON'T. SO THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY THOUGHT. SO I ACTUALLY WANT TO ELABORATE ON THAT BECAUSE I WAS IT WAS A TOPIC I WAS GOING TO BRING UP, BUT I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE AIRPORT AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BID. THERE'S CERTAIN AREAS LIKE THAT TO ME THAT I WOULD ALMOST PREFER. THE APPLICATION COME FROM THE ORGANIZATION, LIKE A ORGANIZATION THAT WE'RE WORKING THROUGH. SO IF SOMEBODY IS HAVING AN EVENT ON THE BID OR ON FIFTH, THEN THE APPLICATION MAY GO THROUGH THE BID AS THEY'RE THE ONES SUBMITTING THE APPLICATION. THE SAME THING WITH THE AIRPORT WHERE WHEN WE HAVE BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WHAT HAPPENS IS THE WE TALK TO THE AIRPORT AND THE PEOPLE THAT RUN THE AIRPORT AND SAY, THESE ARE WHAT THE WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE WITH THE APPLICATION. BUT THEN WE DON'T 
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FEEL LIKE SOMETIMES THAT THAT'S RELAYED TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRYING TO DO THE EVENTS. THEN WE GET THIS APPLICATION FROM SOMEBODY AND THEY SAY, WELL, WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY IDEA. AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, YOU SHOULD BE TALKING TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE MANAGING THE PROPERTY. SO TO ME, I WOULD PREFER THE APPLICATION. IF SOMEBODY'S DOING SOMETHING AT THE AIRPORT, THEY THEY GO THROUGH THE AIRPORT AND THE APPLICATION COMES FROM THE AIRPORT, MUCH LIKE THE HYATT HOUSE. YOU KNOW, THEY DO A WEDDING, THEY SUBMIT THE APPLICATION FROM THAT ORGANIZATION AND WE GET IT FROM THEM. WE DON'T GET IT FROM JIM SMITH AND NANCY SMITH THAT ARE GETTING MARRIED. THAT'S THE WAY IT COMES. WELL, THAT'S RATHER ATTRACTIVE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEN WE'RE PAYING ATTENTION TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE PERMANENTLY AND GIVING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN. THAT'S KIND OF AN ATTRACTIVE APPROACH. THERE'S ONE THING ABOUT THE FIFTH, BUT I WANT TO YES, I'M SORRY, CHAD MADE TWO STATEMENTS. I THINK THE ONE BECAUSE WHEN YOU DO THE AIRPORT, BECAUSE THEY'RE ACTUALLY OBVIOUSLY OPERATING THE LAND, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE BID, THE BID HAS NO OWNERSHIP OF RIGHT OF WAY. AND I THINK IT'S A VERY SLIPPERY SLOPE. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN TREAT THEM EQUALLY AS IF THEY WERE ONE IN THE SAME STATEMENT. AND I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. AND I'LL OBVIOUSLY I'LL ALWAYS DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY ON LEGAL MATTERS, BUT I THINK THAT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE. I WOULD BE CAUTIOUS THERE. I AGREE WITH YOU. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO MOVING ON THROUGH THIS, WE TALKED ABOUT THE TYPES OF APPLICATIONS. WE KIND OF JUST TOUCHED A LITTLE BIT ON THERE. BUT DEPENDING ON WHAT WE SETTLE ON, ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANTED TO DO WAS JUST KIND OF DOWN THE PATH WE WERE GOING WITH MAJOR MINOR, SO ON. BUT THAT WAS THE INTENT OF THIS IS TO KIND OF PULL BACK SOME OF THOSE TIMELINES. NOW THE STUFF THAT TAKES PLACE THAT ARE NON CITY ORGANIZED EVENTS THAT TAKE PLACE IN THE PUBLIC SPACES. WE STILL WANT TO HAVE A GOOD HEADS UP BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR STAFFING. WE HAVE TO PLAN FOR AROUND OTHER EVENTS. IT HAS TO COME TO YOU ALL AND AND SO ON. AND THAT'S LIKE YOUR BIG MAJOR EVENTS THAT TAKE PLACE. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT. BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE PRIVATE PROPERTY EVENTS, LIKE IN COMMERCIAL, WE HAVE SOME BUSINESSES THAT, YOU KNOW, MAY WANT TO DO SOMETHING IN THEIR PARKING LOT. WE DON'T WANT TO REQUIRE THEM TO HAVE 120 DAYS BECAUSE THEY DON'T NECESSARILY SOMETIMES THEY DON'T KNOW THAT THEY'RE DOING IT IN 120 DAYS. 
          IT MAY BE, YOU KNOW, 90 DAYS OUT. AND THEY SAY, YEAH, LET'S PLAN SOMETHING FOR THE THE MEMBERS OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE. SO WE WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO A CONCLUSION THAT PULLS THAT NUMBER DOWN A LITTLE BIT FOR PEOPLE DOING THINGS ON THEIR, THEIR OWN PROPERTIES, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO THIS WAS JUST, AGAIN, AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE SET UP. WE TALKED ABOUT THIS THE LAST TIME BRIEFLY THAT WE DID THE PRESENTATION. BUT THIS GIVES YOU ANOTHER IDEA OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE COULD DO. NOW IF WE GO TO THE, THE MINOR MAJOR AND SO ON. YEAH. THEN WE, WE CAN NAME IT WHATEVER WE WANT TO. BUT THIS WAS AN EXAMPLE. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY HAS ANY COMMENTS. I THINK WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT ON THAT. IF YOU DO, YOU CAN I'LL KIND OF GO BRIEFLY THROUGH THIS SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT PROCESS JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHAT TYPICALLY HAPPENS. WE ASK THAT THE PEOPLE READ THE MANUAL THAT'S ATTACHED TO THE APPLICATION. JUST LET THEM KNOW EVERYTHING THAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE WITHIN AND WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO SUBMIT. AND A DATE, A APPLICATION DATE IS NOT ACTUALLY SOLIDIFIED UNTIL ALL THE DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED. SO SOMEBODY SENDS US AN APPLICATION AND IT'S INCOMPLETE AND THEY SEND IT ON JANUARY 1ST. IT'S NOT THEIR APPLICATION DATE IS NOT JANUARY 1ST. IT'S NOT UNTIL WE RECEIVE EVERYTHING. SO THAT'S ONE THING WE WANT TO SPECIFY IN HERE BECAUSE THIS IS A CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE INTERNALLY. SO THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS I HAVE THAT NOTATED ON HERE. 
          ALL DOCUMENTS ARE RECEIVED AND APPLICATION IS PAID OR THE APPLICATION FEE IS PAID. BUT THEY REVIEW, THEY DO THE APPLICATION SUBMITTAL. IT GOES THROUGH DANIELLE. SHE GOES THROUGH A REVIEW TO MAKE SURE THAT THE EVENT DATE, TIME, LOCATION, ALL THAT STUFF IS, IS ADEQUATE AND WE ARE ABLE TO DO IT OR ACCOMMODATE IT. THEN IT GOES TO THE SPECIAL EVENT COMMITTEE. THAT'S ALL OF EACH DEPARTMENT THAT'S IMPACTED HAS TO SAY THEY ALL REVIEW IT. THEY LOOK AT IT, THEY SAY, HERE'S MY CONCERNS, HERE'S WHAT I THINK. WE PROVIDE THAT INPUT BACK TO THE ORGANIZER. AND THEN IT GOES IN FRONT OF, WE HAVE A MEETING EVERY SINGLE MONTH AND WE SIT 
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DOWN AND WE TALK ABOUT IT. HAS IT HAVE WE SATISFIED ALL OF THE NEEDS? YES, WE HAVE AT THAT POINT, WE THAT'S WHEN IT USUALLY HITS YOU ALL. SO IF THERE'S ISSUES STILL AND CONCERNS, IT'S GOING TO GO ON DISCUSSION. IF IT'S NOT, THEN IT GOES ON CONSENT. BUT WE WANT TO. ONE THING WE WANT TO DO IS ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL FROM US WOULD ACTUALLY MEAN SPECIAL EVENT COMMITTEE, MEANING EVERYBODY IS STILL SEEN IT, NOT JUST DANIELLE HAS TO SAY, OKAY, WILL YOU ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVE IT? AND NOW POLICE, FIRE AND ALL OF THEM HAVE MAY NOT HAVE AN IDEA THAT IT'S EVEN HAPPENING. SO WE WANTED TO DEFINE THAT WITHIN HERE AS WELL. 
          WE NOTIFY ONCE IT'S BEEN APPROVED OR DENIED FROM THE CITY COUNCIL LEVEL. AND THEN UNDERSTANDING THAT THE APPLICATION IS NOT DONE. WE STILL, WHEN IT COMES HERE, WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH IT'S STILL AN ACTIVE DOCUMENT, MEANING WE'RE TRYING TO GET THE COA. WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE ANY FEEDBACK THAT WE GET FROM CITY COUNCIL, WE SAY, HEY, WE DON'T WANT TO CLOSE THIS STREET. CITY COUNCIL SAID, YOU CAN'T CLOSE THIS STREET, YOU GOTTA CLOSE THIS STREET. THOSE THINGS HAVE TO BE CAPTURED. SO WE GO BACK THROUGH A FINALIZATION OF THAT EVENT. THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE IF THEY HAVE ALCOHOL THAT CAN'T BE SIGNED OFF ON UNTIL IT'S APPROVED HERE. SO THERE'S THINGS THAT WE WORK THROUGH. SO I WANT TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT ONE THING THAT'S A CONCERN FROM MY END IS WHAT HAPPENS. WE APPROVE AN EVENT AND WE GET TO A POINT WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO DO IT. WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT HELPS US TO SAY, HEY, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF OR RESOURCES TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE WITH THIS. SO IS THERE A RESCIND PROCESS THAT WE NEED TO IDENTIFY? BEFORE I MOVE ON TO THE OTHER ONE? ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT PROCESS? OKAY. SO THEN YOU HAVE MULTIPLE EVENTS STATEMENTS AND READ THAT OUT LOUD. WHAT YOU JUST REFERRED TO, WHICH ONE THE. TRYING TO MAKE SURE WHAT THAT. OH YEAH. SO IT'S A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT APPLICATION IS APPROVED. THE APPLICATION IS, IS STILL CONSIDERED A WORKING DOCUMENT. EVEN ORGANIZERS MUST CONTINUE TO FOLLOW ALL INSTRUCTIONS PROVIDED AFTER RECEIVING APPROVAL FROM CITY COUNCIL OR THE SPECIAL EVENT COMMITTEE TO PREVENT THE PERMIT FROM BEING SUSPENDED OR NEGATED. THE. THIS INCLUDES PROVIDING ALL REMAINING DOCUMENTS OR REVISIONS TO THE EVENT. IF THE CITY DETERMINES ITS SOURCE, RESOURCES ARE NOT ADEQUATE AND OR AVAILABLE AFTER THE EVENT HAS BEEN APPROVED, THE PERMIT MAY BE RESCINDED. SO THAT'S AGAIN TALKING. IF YOU'VE GOT. 
          WE APPROVE AN EVENT IN. YEAH. THE ONLY THING THAT I. I HAVE TROUBLE WITH THAT IN MY OWN RIGHT. AND I GUESS THE. THERE'S TWO SCHOOLS OF THOUGHT ON THAT. IF WE DON'T IF WE'RE REQUIRING ALL THE DOCUMENTS AND. AND WHAT I DON'T LIKE IS HAS HAPPENED HERE BEFORE IS WE'LL APPROVE IT. 
          AND YOU GUYS FIGURE IT OUT THAT IF WE ELIMINATE THAT, THEN THE OTHER COMPONENT DOESN'T APPLY. 
          AND SO WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, IS IF WE HAVE RESOURCE ISSUES, WOULD THAT SHOULD IT BE EXPRESSED TO COUNCIL AT THE TIME? AND IT'S WHEN WE ADOPT SOMETHING AND SAY, BUT YOU GUYS FIGURE IT OUT, THAT LEAVES US VULNERABLE TO NEEDING TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT. AND I WOULD SAY IS IF A DECISION IS DEFINITIVE AND THOSE ISSUES MUST BE WORKED OUT BEFORE IT'S APPROVED, THEN IT LEAVES IT. I JUST DON'T LIKE THAT CATCH ALL. IS THAT A COUNCIL SAYS YES, AND THEN WE SIT IN A ROOM AND SAY, NO. I MEAN, IF YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, FROM MY STANDPOINT, I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE THOSE FACTS KNOWN. ANY ALTERATION, WE HAVE TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL ANYWAY. SO I THINK GETTING A DEFINITIVE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL AS A YES OR NO SHOULD MINIMIZE ANY OF OR ELIMINATE ANY OF THAT. SO I'M ONLY SAYING THAT BECAUSE THAT I THINK THAT LEAVES IT OPEN A LITTLE BIT TO AN INTERPRETATION OTHER AS TO WHO SAYS YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH STAFF. THAT CASE SHOULD BE MADE BEFORE IT'S APPROVED. YES. WE'LL SEE WHAT ONE THING THAT WE GET. AND JUST SO I CAN KIND OF GIVE THE EXAMPLE. SO WHEN WE HAVE EVENTS, THEY CAN APPLY FOR AN EVENT A YEAR IN ADVANCE. SO IF WE APPLY RIGHT, IF SOMEBODY APPLIES AND WE APPROVE AN EVENT RIGHT NOW FOR MAY 10TH NEXT YEAR, AND WE EVALUATE IT BASED ON OUR CURRENT STAFFING AND OUR CURRENT RESOURCES, THAT WE HAVE A LOT CHANGES BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. AND THAT WAS THE ONLY REASON WE HAD THAT STATEMENT IN THERE. AND SO, I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND, I UNDERSTAND THE DIFFICULTY THERE IS, IS THEY BEGIN ADVERTISING, THEY DO OTHER THINGS. YOU HAVE A CULPABILITY THERE. I JUST IT'S ONE THING IF IF IT'S BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES, WE HAVE TOO MANY EVENTS GOING. AND WE SHOULD MAKE THAT KNOWN ONCE WE AUTHORIZE IT. I THINK THAT WE HAVE WE HAVE A RESOURCE MANAGEMENT ISSUE WE'VE GOT TO ADDRESS BECAUSE IT WAS APPROVED. 
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I I'M JUST SAYING, I THINK IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE. I'LL DEFER TO COUNCIL. I AGREE WITH GARY. ONE THING. WHEN A PERSON APPLIES FOR A PERMIT, THEY INVEST A GOOD SUM OF MONEY IN MARKETING AND PROMOTING OF THE EVENT. AND YOU KNOW, THAT WHAT FOR? I MEAN. THE UNKNOWN, I THINK, IS CONCERNING. SO ANY ANYBODY. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? ABSOLUTELY. SO LET'S SAY THERE'S FOUR CRITERIA THAT REQUIRE COUNCIL APPROVAL. RIGHT. ASSUME EVERYTHING ELSE IS ADMINISTRATIVE. DOES STAFF HAVE THE ABILITY THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW OF SOMETHING THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE ADMINISTRATIVE TO SAY, I'VE PUSHED BACK ENOUGH. THEY'RE NOT SAYING YES, I NOW HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO SEND THIS TO COUNCIL, EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T MEET ONE OF THOSE FOUR CRITERIA. YOU DO. WE PUT THAT IN HERE THAT IF EVEN IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE APPROVING, THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY OR ESPECIALLY WE CAN COMMITTEE HAS THE ABILITY TO REQUEST THAT IT GOES TO CITY COUNCIL. OKAY, GOOD. BECAUSE THAT'S 100% CORRECT BECAUSE THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY THAT MAY HAVE FALLEN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, THAT WE MAY WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT. YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I THINK THAT'S WHAT SECTION IS THAT IN? IT IS. LIKE, WE'LL GET TO IT. I'LL LET DANIELLE, IF SHE CAN GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. KEEP GOING. 
          YEAH. MULTIPLE EVENT DATES. THIS IS ANOTHER ONE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE. WE HAVE EVENTS THAT COME TO US. THEY'LL SUBMIT ONE APPLICATION 24 DIFFERENT DAYS. SO WHAT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO IS WHAT THAT PUTS YOU ALL IN IS. IT'S BASICALLY SAYS, HERE'S AN APPLICATION 24 DAYS. YOU GOTTA APPROVE THE APPLICATION OR NOT. SO YOU CAN'T REALLY IDENTIFY EACH ONE. SO THAT KIND OF TIES US. NOW YOU CAN, I GUESS YOU COULD GO IN THERE AND PICK ONE OUT, BUT KNOWING WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE REST OF IT, WE ASK AND WHAT WE FEEL WOULD BE BETTER IS IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S AN EVENT. SO DANIELLE'S DOING A HER A CLOTHING SHOW AND IT'S EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND FOR JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH. THEN SHE CAN DO THAT. BUT SHE NEEDS TO SUBMIT JANUARY. IT'S THE SAME EVENT, SAME LOCATION, SAME TIME. 
          EVERYTHING'S THE SAME. BUT FOR JANUARY, IT'S THE FIRST AND THIRD SATURDAY, SO SHE CAN PUT THOSE ON ONE. BUT IF YOU'RE GOING INTO A WHOLE NOTHER MONTH, THEN WHAT WE'RE REQUESTING IS THAT WE REQUIRE THEM TO PUT A SEPARATE APPLICATION IN FOR THAT MONTH SO THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY AND WE CAN REVIEW THAT APPLICATION SEPARATELY. THAT HELPS US. IT HELPS YOU ALL FOR THE THINGS THAT COME BEFORE YOU BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, 24 DIFFERENT DAYS TO LOOK AT. YOU CAN LOOK AT MONTH BY MONTH. AND WE PROVIDE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO PROVIDE YOU ALL WAS THE CALENDAR OVERVIEW OF EVERYTHING. THEN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE EACH ONE OF THOSE AND YOU CAN SAY, OKAY, I LIKE THE JANUARY, THE, THE MARCH WORKS, THE APRIL WORKS, BUT WE DON'T LIKE THE FEBRUARY, THE FEBRUARY IS JUST NOT GOING TO WORK FOR US. AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO PULL THAT OUT. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TRYING TO CHANGE. AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS TO US, IT'S, IT'S MORE OF A OUR PROCESS, BUT WE FELT LIKE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION TO BECAUSE YOU GET THEM ALL THE TIME, YOU GET THEM WHERE THEY'RE SPAN FOR THE WHOLE YEAR. SO THIS IS JUST ANOTHER ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO BRING UP. SO AN EXAMPLE, LIKE THE FARMER'S MARKET, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD SUBMIT 12 APPLICATIONS AT THE SAME TIME. YEAH. SO ANY EVENT THAT SUBMITS APPLICATIONS FOR THE ENTIRE YEAR ALL IN ONE TIME, BECAUSE IT'S VERY COMPLICATED WHEN WE SEND IT TO YOU ALL BECAUSE BASICALLY WHAT IT SAYS IS IT SAYS THE DATES ARE SQUEEZED IN, AND THEN IT SAYS THAT THE START TIMES ARE THE SAME, EVERYTHING'S THE SAME. AND SO WHEN YOU APPROVE IT, UNLESS YOU REALLY GO IN THERE AND LOOK AT EACH ONE, YOU DON'T. I MEAN, IF I ASKED YOU RIGHT NOW WHAT DAY NOVEMBER 7TH IS ON, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO TELL ME RIGHT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD AND YOU'RE NOT GOING TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. SO WE WOULD RATHER HAVE EACH ONE OF THEM COME SO YOU CAN LOOK AT THEM SEPARATELY. DO YOU LOOK AT HE ALREADY KNOWS. SO YEAH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE SHOULD 
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BE SOME LEEWAY FOR LIKE, IF IT'S EVERY SATURDAY FROM 8 A.M. TO 11 A.M. AND THE SAME LOCATION. WOULD BE OKAY WITH ONE, BUT MAYBE YOU HAVE A ATTACHMENT TO IT OR SOMETHING THAT EXPLAINS WHAT'S GOING ON. BUT AS OPPOSED TO REVIEWING 121 FOR EACH MONTH. BUT I GET I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS BECAUSE THEN YOU CAN SEE THE OVERALL PICTURE OF HOW MANY EVENTS ARE GOING ON, I.E. THIRD STREET'S CLOSED BECAUSE OF FARMER'S MARKET. AND THEN THERE'S THE A WALK AND CAMBIER PARK IS CLOSED. AND THEN FLESHMAN HAS AN ART SHOW AND PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO GET OUT OF, YOU KNOW, THE SOUTH END OR COME IN FROM THE NORTH END. AND ALL THESE STREETS ARE CLOSED. SO LOOKING AT IT FROM THE TOTALITY OF EVENTS ON THAT DAY, I UNDERSTAND, BUT I AGREE, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO HAVE SOMEONE HAVE TO APPLY FOR AN EVENT THAT WOULD BE EVERY WEEK AT THE SAME LOCATION. YEAH. THE CONCERN YOU EXPRESS IS IS VERY GOOD. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THEY IF IN JULY OF 2026, THE FARMER'S MARKET SUBMITS 12 APPLICATIONS FOR EVERY MONTH OF 2027. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT IT. WE'RE GOING TO KNOW ABOUT ALL THOSE OTHER WALKS AND OTHER EVENTS GOING ON RIGHT UNTIL THEY APPLY. AND SO IT'S A BIT OF A FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE AT THAT POINT. YEAH, YEAH, I AGREE WITH TED. I MEAN, THERE, THERE ARE LIKE ENTERTAINMENT EVENTS AND THEN THERE'S COMMUNITY BASED ORGANIZATIONS THAT HAVE UTILIZED THE PARK FACILITIES OR, OR CITY CITY REAL ESTATE FOR THEIR EVENTS, WHETHER IT BE LIKE THE CHURCH OR THE MARKET. AND, YOU KNOW, TO ME, IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. ONE APPLICATION, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO COVER FOR THEIR YEARLY PLAN. I MEAN, IT MAKES SENSE TO ME FOR THOSE TYPE OF EVENTS, BUT THEY ARE TAKING UP THAT WHOLE YEAR FOR THAT ONE EVENT. BUT LET'S KEEP GOING BECAUSE WE WANT TO GET TO THE OTHER. EVENT PRIORITY. SO WE HAVE YOU SEE BEFORE YOU ALWAYS SEE REPEAT SPECIAL EVENTS. AND AND THAT'S THE COMMON PHRASE THAT WE HAVE REPEAT SPECIAL EVENTS HAVE KIND OF ALMOST UNWRITTEN HAS HAD A GRANDFATHERED EFFECT. AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE WAY WE LIKE TO, TO SEE IT. BUT ONE THING THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO DO IS SAY, IF YOU HAVE A REPEAT SPECIAL EVENT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE IT. WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS IN ORDER FOR IT TO BE A REPEAT SPECIAL EVENT AND US TO HOLD THAT DATE, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE AN APPLICATION IN WITHIN 90 DAYS AFTER THE LAST EVENT. SO IF I HAD MY EVENT ON MAY 1ST, I HAVE 90 DAYS TO PUT MY NEXT APPLICATION IN FOR MY EVENT TO TAKE PLACE NEXT YEAR ON MAY 1ST IN THE SAME SAME AREA, SAME TIME, WHATEVER. AND THAT WAS ONE THING THAT WE WANT TO DO BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING WE HAVE TO KEEP. SHE KEEPS A CALENDAR AND SHE PUTS IT ON THERE, AND WE GET ALL THE WAY TO THE DEADLINE AND WE'RE, YOU KNOW, 121 DAYS OUT AND WE'RE LIKE, OH, ARE THEY GOING TO HAVE THIS OR NOT? BECAUSE WE GOT ALL THESE OTHER PEOPLE ASKING US IF THEY CAN DO THEIR EVENT. AND THEN THEY MAY SAY, YEAH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT THIS YEAR. AND WE'RE LIKE, WELL, WE'VE HAD THIS THE WHOLE TIME. 
          SO IT, IT KIND OF KEEPS OTHERS FROM IT HOLDS THE THING FOR THE WHOLE YEAR. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? WELL, YEAH. IS THAT A IS THAT A NEW SECTION OR WAS IT ALWAYS IN THERE TO HOLD. 
          BECAUSE WHY DO WE HOLD THEM AT ALL? I THINK IT HAS BEEN. THERE'S NOT ANY REASON FOR IT. 
          IT'S BEEN DONE THAT WAY SINCE WHEN I GOT HERE. THAT WAS KIND OF THE WAY IT WAS TOLD. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, WHICH IS WHY WE WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S SOLIDIFIED IN THE MANUAL. 
          OKAY, SO JUST ASK THE QUESTION, DOES THE MANUAL HAVE ANY TIME TABLE OR DOES IT SAY TO HOLD ANYTHING AT ALL IN THE MANUAL? IT DOES NOT. THIS WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO GET CLARIFICATION. YEAH. AND WE JUST PUT 90 DAYS. SO WE FEEL LIKE IT SHOULD BE 120 DAYS. 
          IF IT'S SIX MONTHS, WHATEVER. BUT WE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OPEN FOR WHATEVER. WE JUST NEED TO BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT WITHIN WHEN YOU LOOK AT SPECIAL EVENTS OR REPEAT SPECIAL EVENTS, WHAT ABOUT THE SENTENCE ABOUT THEM PAYING FEES? HAS THAT BEEN A PROBLEM GETTING PAID? ARE WE HOLDING DATES FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVEN'T PAID FOR LAST YEAR? I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THAT. AS FAR AS THE IF SOMEBODY DOES OWE US MONEY, BUT WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROCESS AN APPLICATION ONCE FEES HAVE BEEN PAID. GOT IT. THAT ADDITION THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, WHERE IS THAT ON? IS IT ON YOUR MEMO? THE ONE THAT MR. YOUNG JUST BROUGHT UP? YES. THAT'S RIGHT. 
          YEAH. IF YOU LOOK ON THE SCREEN, I'VE GOT IT BROUGHT UP. PAGE 961. YEAH. I'M. JUST LOOKING AT 
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THE MEMO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE EXACTLY YOU'RE IT'S ACTUALLY IN THE, THE MANUAL THAT IS THE PROPOSED MANUAL AND GIVE HER THE PAGE NUMBER. YEAH. THAT 1.7. SORRY, SECTION 1.7. 
          IT'S HIGHLIGHTED. GOT IT. SO CHAD, JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, IS EVERYTHING IN YELLOW ADDED. 
          EVERYTHING IN YELLOW? YES, IT HAS BEEN MODIFIED AND IT IS A CONVERSATION. AND THAT'S THAT HELPS. YEAH. AND WE DID PROVIDE THE OLD MANUAL WHAT WAS VERY DIFFICULT. AND DANIELLE'S GOING TO KILL ME BECAUSE I HAD HER GO THROUGH THE OLD MANUAL AND MARK ALL THIS UP. IT WAS SO COMPLEX WHEN WE DID THAT. THE WRITING AND THE DIFFERENT ADDITIONS, WE JUST SAID, WE JUST GOT TO PUT THE OLD ONE, TAKE THIS LIKE DRAFT OF, OF CONVERSATION. AND I TRY TO GO THROUGH AND HIGHLIGHT THE AREAS THAT I FELT WERE REAL BIG CONVERSATION PIECES THAT WE NEEDED TO HAVE. 
          THERE ARE ADDITIONS, ADDITIONS IN HERE, WHICH IS WHY WE ASKED TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION. OKAY, SO THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED. SO THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE ADDITIONS. SO MOVING ON, THIS IS KIND OF OUTLINES WHAT WE ARE ASKING THEM TO HAVE ONCE THEY TURN IN THEIR APPLICATION. 
          OBVIOUSLY THIS IS YOUR APPLICATION FEE, YOUR DAMAGE DEPOSIT SITE PLANS. THAT'S GOT TO BE SUBMITTED AT THE TIME OF THE APPLICATION PARKING PLAN. WE DID TALK ABOUT PARKING PLANS, NOT INCLUDING RIDESHARE IS NOT A SUFFICIENT PARKING PLAN. THAT WAS SOMETHING DISCUSSED PRIOR TO. SO WE KEPT THAT IN TENANT COOKING REQUIREMENT FORM HAS TO BE SUBMITTED TO ALCOHOL REQUEST FORM HAS TO BE SUBMITTED. PORTABLE SANITATION FACILITIES 30 DAYS PRIOR. LETTER OF APPROVAL FROM PROPERTY OWNERS. SO IF YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY WHO'S DOING A A PARTY THAT'S ON AND IT'S NOT THEIR PROPERTY, THEN WE NEED SOME KIND OF LETTER THAT SAYS THAT THEY HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO DO THAT PARTY ON THAT PROPERTY OR THAT EVENT. I SHOULDN'T SAY PARTY. IT WOULD BE EVENT LETTER OF SUPPORT. SO IF IT'S IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND YOU'VE GOT A BIG BLOCK PARTY, WE'RE ASKING YOU TO SUBMIT A SOME KIND OF LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM YOUR SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS OR COMMUNITY OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE SAYING. THEY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS GETTING READY TO TAKE PLACE. WHAT IF THEY DON'T LIKE YOU? YOU BETTER YOU BETTER MAKE FRIENDS WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS. ALL I CAN TELL YOU. THIS WAS A BIG ONE RIGHT HERE. WE HIGHLIGHTED. OF COURSE, IT JUMPED OFF NONPROFIT. SO WE SAY NONPROFIT. ARE WE TALKING NONPROFIT 501 C THREE? ARE WE TALKING NOT FOR PROFIT? ARE WE TALKING. BUT WHAT? BECAUSE YOU GOT YOU HAVE SOME EVENTS THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE DOING IT FOR A WITH AN FOR PROFIT AGENCY, BUT THEY'RE SAYING THAT THEY'RE DOING IT TO BENEFIT A NONPROFIT. BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA AT WHAT CAPACITY. SO WHAT ARE WE REALLY LOOKING AT? BECAUSE THIS APPLIES TO NONPROFIT RATES. SO WHEN YOU RENT THE PARK, WE HAVE A NONPROFIT RATE AND A FOR PROFIT RATE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO KIND OF NAIL DOWN BECAUSE WE'VE GOT NOW WE HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY. THERE'S SO MANY DIFFERENT ONES. SO WHAT DO WE WANT TO ACCEPT TO GET THE NONPROFIT RATE OR WE JUST. 501 C THREE ARE WE GOING ANYTHING ELSE? THERE ARE OTHER SECTIONS BESIDES 501 C THREE THAT ARE ALSO NOT FOR PROFITS. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT TERM IS. BUT YOU HAVE NONPROFIT AND YOU HAVE NOT FOR PROFITS. SEAPORTS. WELL NOT ALL. YEAH. 
          SOME OF THEM ARE SIDEBARS. SORRY. YEAH. SOME OF THE CONVERSATION WAS THAT THERE'S A 501 C THREE AND THERE'S A 501 C FOUR. SO CORRECT. WE CAN LOOK AT THAT AND COME UP JUST TO MAKE SURE WE'RE CAPTURING WHO WE WOULD WANT TO BE CAPTURED. YEAH I'LL HANDLE THAT PART. THE INTENTION. YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO THAT WAS GOING THAT WAS ONE. CAN I ASK A QUESTION REAL QUICK BECAUSE THIS IS THIS IS A GREAT LIST, BUT JUST FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, I MEAN, WE REQUIRE ON PUBLIC PROPERTY FOR THEM TO ADD US AS AN ADDITIONAL INSURED TO THEIR CERTIFICATE OF INSURANCE. BUT AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE IMPLEMENTED A LOT OF RIGHT OF WAY AGREEMENTS, HOLD HARMLESS AGREEMENTS, THINGS LIKE THAT ON CITY PROPERTY. SPEAKING OF LIABILITY, WHICH WAS A BIG THEME FOR THE PLAYGROUND, IS THERE A CONSENSUS FOR ME TO WORK ON 
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SOMETHING VERY BASIC, BUT THAT WOULD BE PART OF THE APPLICATION PROCESS THAT ESSENTIALLY, IN ADDITION TO ADDING THE CITY AS AN ADDITIONAL INSURED, WOULD ALSO AGREE TO HOLD US HARMLESS FROM ANYTHING THAT OCCURS DURING THE EVENT. OH DARN, I THOUGHT THAT WAS ON EVERY EVENT. IT MAY BE PART OF THE DISCLAIMER, BUT THIS WOULD BE A SEPARATE CHECKLIST DOCUMENT AS PART OF THE APPLICATION AND THE APPLICATION. YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT. YES, ABSOLUTELY. GREAT. ALL RIGHT. SO THEN WE GET THROUGH SECTION 1.9. THIS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WANTED TO REALLY HIGHLIGHT IN HERE WAS A SPECIAL EVENT APPLICATION. 
          AGAIN, SORRY, MY MICROPHONE ONE SECTION 1.9. THIS IS THE AREA THAT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT. IT SAYS SPECIAL EVENT APPLICATION MAY NOT BE SUBMITTED IF THE ORGANIZATION ORGANIZER OR EVENT HAS AN UNPAID INVOICE FROM A PREVIOUS EVENT. ONCE THE BALANCE HAS BEEN SATISFIED, ESPECIALLY EVENT PERMIT APPLICATION WILL BE ACCEPTED. THIS IS THE. YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING HAS BEEN SATISFIED. YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THINGS EVEN LONG TIME AGO WHERE THERE WAS MULTIPLE EVENTS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE PAID. AND IT CAME BEFORE THIS WHERE WE HAD THE APPLICATION. AND AGAIN, I WON'T GO THROUGH THE ORGANIZATION, BUT THE THEY HAD MULTIPLE EVENTS SPANNED FOR MULTIPLE YEARS AND IT WAS UNPAID. AND WE DIDN'T WE HELD OUT. WELL, WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT FROM THE ADMINISTRATIVE SIDE TO REQUIRE THAT. YES. YEAH, I AGREE, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THAT, BUT THERE MIGHT BE CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE WE CAN'T DENY AN EVENT BECAUSE OF AN UNPAID BALANCE. IF THERE ARE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS, AND IF ANY SUCH THING EXISTS, THOSE REASONS FOR THAT WOULD BE DOCUMENTED. AND THIS GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO ENFORCE AS WE SEE. YES, I OTHER OTHERWISE, I FULLY AGREE, ACTUALLY TRIGGERED ANOTHER THOUGHT ON SOME OF THOSE FOLKS THAT SAY, OH, I'M GOING TO HAVE THIS EVENT AND THEY SUBMIT AN APPLICATION AND THEY GET WITHIN 90 DAYS THE EVENT. THEY SAY, NEVER MIND. WE SHOULD ALSO, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE YOU ALREADY DO, BUT THE APPLICATION FEE SHOULD BE NONREFUNDABLE. DID IT SAY THAT? YEAH. SO CANCELLATION REFUNDS DOWN BELOW. SPECIAL EVENTS HELD ON CITY MANAGED PROPERTY MAINTAINED RIGHT OF WAY. OR THEY'RE CANCELED WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE OR OUTSIDE IF THERE CANCELED WITHIN 30 DAYS. 
          OH, THEY WANT TO REWORD THAT THEY'RE CANCELED WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE EVENT DATE. YEAH. SO OUTSIDE IS WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO SAY. SO WE NEED TO, BUT IT'S 30 DAYS. SO IF THEY CANCEL IT OUTSIDE OF 30 DAYS, THEN WE REFUNDED. SHOULD WE, SHOULD THAT TIME FRAME BE COINCIDE MORE ALONG THE LINES OF THE, THE NUMBER OF DAYS THAT WE GIVE PEOPLE TO ACTUALLY SUBMIT AN APPLICATION BECAUSE THEN YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY WAITING UP UNTIL 30 DAYS, YOU MIGHT HAVE OTHERS THAT WANTED TO SUBMIT AN APPLICATION FOR THAT DATE, BUT DIDN'T BECAUSE THAT DATE WAS STILL BEING HELD. YEAH, I MEAN, WE CAN CHANGE IT WHATEVER DATE. I MEAN, I DON'T SEE WHY WE NEED TO BE REAL FLEXIBLE WITH THEM. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST YEAH, IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THE EVENT, THAT'S GREAT. HERE'S YOUR APPLICATION FEE. AND IF YOU END UP CANCELING, I WOULD, I MEAN, IT DEPENDS ON HOW FLEXIBLE YOU. WHAT'S THE FEE, $25. THE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE DEPOSITS AND STUFF, IT'S IT VARIES. AND WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE BRINGING BACK FEES AT A LATER DATE TO TALK ABOUT THOSE. BUT THE DEPOSITS RIGHT NOW ARE VERY MINIMAL. RIGHT? SO THEY DON'T IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE IT DOESN'T STING THEM. WELL, MAYBE WE NEED TO STING THEM FOR CANCELLATIONS. YEAH. YEAH. BRINGING IT BACK. YEAH. THIS KIND OF GOES THROUGH EACH DEPARTMENT AND, AND WHAT WE LOOK AT. SO, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT FROM OUR SIDE, WE HAVE WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE STAFF THAT MAY BE REQUIRED AT CUSTODIANS, MAINTENANCE WORKERS, RECREATION STAFF, ADMINISTRATION STAFF, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE EVENT IS. 
          SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE HAVE TO PUT CUSTODIANS TO CLEAN THE RESTROOM, THAT THEY'RE COVERED, AND IF WE HAVE TO HAVE MAINTENANCE WORKERS THERE TO MANAGE THE TRASH THAT THAT'S COVERED. SO WHEN WE DO THE FEES AGAIN, WE'LL BRING BACK A FEE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. 
          BUT FIRE DEPARTMENT, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT IS THE ANTICIPATED NUMBER OF THE ATTENDANCE NUMBER, THE EVENT LAYOUT, TENTS, TEMPORARY STRUCTURES, COOKING, AND THE EMERGENCY ACCESS ROUTES. SO WHEN THEY REVIEW THEIRS, THOSE ARE THE REAL KEY COMPONENTS 
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THAT THEY'RE FOCUSED ON. POLICE DEPARTMENT. THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE PEAK ATTENDANCE NUMBERS, THE THE PRESENCE OF ALCOHOL EVENT LOCATION, THE ROAD CLOSURES, ANY EVENT HISTORY. 
          THE ORGANIZER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING FOR THE COST AS WELL FOR ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. SAME THING WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. SOLID WASTE, FAILURE TO MANAGE WASTE. THIS HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE FOR US TOO. WE HAVE SOME EVENTS THAT ARE NOT MANAGING THEIR WASTE AND THEN THEY'RE NOT CLEANING UP AFTERWARDS. AND THEN AGAIN, WE GO BACK TO THE DEPOSIT. SO, YOU KNOW, THEY LOSE $500. WHAT'S THAT? IF THEY'RE WALKING AWAY WITH SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN THAT. SO A LOT OF TIMES IT DOESN'T IT REALLY DOESN'T HAPPEN. SO OUR STAFF COMES IN IN THE MORNING. SO INSTEAD OF ME SENDING STAFF TO THE BEACH TO CLEAN TRASH CANS AND THE PARKS TO CLEAN TRASH CANS, I'VE GOT TO SEND THEM TO AN EVENT SITE TO CLEAN UP THE TRASH. AND THAT'S DIFFICULT. SO WE WANT TO REQUIRE THAT THEY MANAGE THEIR TRASH, AND IT HAS TO BE PICKED UP THE SAME DAY THE EVENT ENDS. SO THEY CAN'T WALK AWAY AND IT SITS THERE FOR MULTIPLE DAYS. 
          SO WE'VE ADDED THAT COMPONENT, BUT THEY HAVE TO PAY FOR THEIR TRASH BINS. THEY CONTACT SOLID WASTE AND THEY GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. STREETS AND TRAFFIC DIVISION AS WELL. ONE THING THAT WE WANT TO KIND OF CONSIDER TOO IS, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE THE STREET SWEEPERS. SO IF IT REQUIRES STREET SWEEPER, THEY PAYING FOR THE STREET SWEEPER, IF THEY'RE CLOSING A ROADWAY OR WE ARE WE CHARGING ANYTHING FOR A ROADWAY BEING CLOSED OR WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO JUST ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN? THAT WAS CONVERSATION FROM THE STREET PERSONNEL. AND THEN THAT KIND OF GETS US INTO THE RESERVING. AND THIS IS KIND OF THE CAPACITY AND JUST IDEAS THAT WE PUT ON A PIECE OF PAPER. AGAIN, THIS DOESN'T NOTHING SET IN STONE, BUT BAKER PARK CAMBIER PARK CITY MAINTAINED RIGHT OF WAYS. SOMETHING WE'VE HEARD IS HOW DO WE LET THE PARK BE A PARK? SO WE'VE THREW OUT AN IDEA HERE WHERE ON FOR BAKER PARK MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY. 
          NO PROBLEM. WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT. WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF EVENTS DURING THAT TIME ANYWAYS. BUT THEN YOU LOOK AT THE WEEKEND AVAILABILITY. SO WEEKEND WOULD BE AVAILABLE ON THE FIRST AND THIRD FRIDAY, SATURDAY AND OR SUNDAY OF EVERY MONTH. AND THEN SUNDAY OBVIOUSLY WOULD BE IN A FOR THIS ONE. BUT CAPACITY, WE PUT 2500 TO 3500 CONTINGENT ON EVENT CONFIGURATION. THEN WE GOT CAMBIER PARK. SO MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY. NO, REALLY, NO REGULATION ON THAT. BUT THEN THE WEEKENDS. SO WE'RE. BAKER PARK WAS AVAILABLE ON THE FIRST AND THIRD. THIS WOULD BE THE SECOND AND FOURTH. THEY CAN FLIP FLOP. WE DON'T THAT DOESN'T MATTER TO US. BUT YOU GO TO SECOND AND FOURTH FRIDAY, SATURDAY AND OR SUNDAY, AND THEN THE BANDSHELL CAN BE RENTED EVERY SUNDAY DURING THE DAY IF AVAILABLE. SO THE BANDSHELL WOULD STILL BE USED FOR ITS INTENDED USE ON A SUNDAY. SO IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO HAVE A MUSICAL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT DURING THE DAY, THEN WE'LL STILL HAVE THAT AVAILABLE. 
          BUT YOU CAN'T CLOSE THE WHOLE PARK EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND TO DO A FULL BLOWN EVENT SO THAT IT CAN BE USED AS A PARK EVENT CAPACITY. WE HAVE ON HERE 1000 TO 3000 CONTINGENT ON THE EVENT CONFIGURATION. AND THEN THE CITY MAINTAINED RIGHT OF WAYS. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LOOK AT ON THE BASIS OF DAY TO DAY BASIS. SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY RESTRICTIONS ON THAT. 
          BUT WE CAN IF THERE'S ANY RECOMMENDATIONS, IT'S REALLY HARD TO PUT EVENT CAPACITY. WE REALLY YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THESE LARGE SCALE THINGS, EVEN THAT WE DO WHEN IT COMES TO PARADES, THE, YOU KNOW, THE CHRISTMAS PARADE IS A THAT'S A VERY LARGE SCALE EVENT. 
          SO THIS IS KIND OF WHERE WE START. YOU SAY, WHAT IS A CHRISTMAS? NO. WHAT IS THE SIZE? OH, I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT ONE BEING SOMEWHERE AROUND 20, 25,000 WITHIN ALL OF THE CITY BLOCK THAT IT'S IN. BECAUSE I MEAN, IT SPANS A, IT'S THE LARGEST FOOTPRINT OF ANY ONE OF THE EVENTS THAT WE HAVE. SO BUT THIS IS KIND OF WHERE I WANT TO STOP AND HAVE A CONVERSATION. 
          WELL, WHEN I LOOK AT THIS. YEAH. I'M SORRY, DO YOU WANT TO GO FIRST? KRAMER, JUST A QUICK QUESTION, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THIS BECAUSE YOU HAVE TALKED SO MANY TIMES LAST WEEK. I NEVER ASKED THIS. HOW FLASHMAN IS NOT ON HERE. YEAH. WE DON'T PUT WE DIDN'T PUT FLASHMAN ON THERE BECAUSE WE REALLY KIND OF WANT TO RECOMMEND GETTING AWAY FROM DOING FLEISCHMAN BECAUSE WHAT 
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ENDS UP HAPPENING IS EVERY TIME WE HAVE AN EVENT AND PEOPLE START PUTTING THE EVENTS THERE, WE'RE HAVING TO CANCEL ALL OF THE ATHLETIC EVENTS. SO WE'VE GOT SEVERAL ATHLETIC LEAGUES TAKING PLACE. SO ANYTIME WE DO IT, IF WE HAD MULTIPLE EVENTS TAKING PLACE THERE WEEKEND AFTER WEEKEND, THEN WE KIND OF PUT THEM IN A BIND. SO WE WOULD LIKE TO HANDLE THOSE EVENTS AS CITY EVENTS. SO WAIT, WAIT, WAIT, WHAT DO YOU MEAN CITY EVENT? I'M SORRY. SO WE DO THE HALLOWEEN EVENT. SO WE DO A TRUNK OR TREAT HALLOWEEN EVENT. THAT WOULD BE A CITY EVENT. SO WE WOULD STILL DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A FULL BLOWN CARNIVAL EVERY OTHER WEEKEND. AND FLEISCHMAN PARK, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW, I DID TALK ABOUT THIS WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT MAKING IT A WHAT IT IS AN ATHLETIC PARK AND IT IS TAKING OFF THE TABLE. OKAY. WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT. OKAY. THANKS. 
          BECAUSE I'M THINKING OF THE ART STUFF THAT HAPPENS THERE. JUST NOW IT OCCURRED TO ME, YEAH, THERE'S SOME ART STUFF GOING ON, BUT IF THAT'S TAKEN OFF THE TABLE, I'M FINE WITH THAT. YEAH. 
          AND I MEAN, WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER PARKS THAT WE CAN WORK WITH THEM ON. WELL, SO THAT SOUNDS SO INNOCENT. OKAY. UNTIL, YOU KNOW, CAMBIER BECAME OVERLOADED AND THEN WE BUILT THEN FLEISCHMAN GOT THE OVERFLOW FOR SOME ART ART, BUT IT ACTUALLY OPENED UP FOR A DIFFERENT GROUP OF ART VENDORS. AND THEN BAKER PARK, WHICH WE NEED TO DECIDE. YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL AND BAKER PARK WAS STARTING, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A PASSIVE PARK, AND IT'S NOW TURNED INTO AN EVENTS PARK. SO WE NEED TO BE VERY, VERY CAREFUL WITH HOW WE SAY WE CAN SHIFT IT SOMEPLACE ELSE BECAUSE 3500 PEOPLE IN BAKER PARK THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE PASSIVE IS A LOT. AND IT CAN GO MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY. AND EVERY FIRST AND THIRD FRIDAY AND SATURDAY AND SUNDAY OF EVERY MONTH. SO THAT'S A CONCERN TO ME FOR BAKER PARK AND CAMBIER PARK. I THINK 3000 IS A LOT. I MEAN, BUT I DON'T KNOW THE SIZE OF EVENTS THAT I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MUCH ANY EVENT REALLY IS IN SIZE, BUT I THINK 3000 IS A LOT THAT WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT CAPACITY FOR A SPECIAL EVENT. WHAT IS THAT? I KNOW THERE ARE CERTAIN EVENTS THAT HAVE BEEN HELD IN CAMBIER PARK, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THERE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE THE TRADITIONAL ONES. I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A SPECIAL DISCUSSION THOUGH, ON ON CERTAIN ONES THAT MAY BE OF WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. LIKE THE. NAPLES JAZZ BAND OR CONCERT BAND, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE ARE THOSE CITY SPONSORED EVENTS? WHAT ARE CITY SPONSORED EVENTS? BECAUSE I ONLY I NEED YOU TO, TO, TO. TELL ME DEFINE THAT BECAUSE I KNOW WHAT I THINK CITY SPONSORED EVENTS ARE. AND THEN THERE MUST BE A DIFFERENT DEFINITION. WE'RE USING THE IN THE MANUAL CITY ORGANIZED AND NOTHING ELSE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS CITY ORGANIZED. AND SO EVERYTHING YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHETHER IT'S BAKER OR NOT, I MEAN, THESE ARE UP FOR DISCUSSION, MAYOR. THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF THIS CONVERSATION. IF YOU BELIEVE BAKER WAS INTENDED FOR A PASSIVE PARK AND NOTHING MORE, THEN THAT'S WHAT THIS IS. THIS IS TO OPEN. THE DIALOG IS BASED ON FREQUENCY AND SIZE. NO ONE'S TRYING. WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT. WE'RE TRYING TO JAM A SQUARE PEG INTO A ROUND HOLE. WE'RE SAYING, WHAT DO WE WANT TO HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY? THIS HAS COME UP WITH FROM THE PHILOSOPHY, AS IF I'M CLOSING ONE PASSIVE PARK AND ALLOWING IT TO HAVE EVENTS, I'M GOING TO OPEN THE OTHER ONE, AND THAT'S WHY I'M TAKING THEM IN. 
          STAGGERED, STAGGERED WEEKS WAS WAS A LOGICAL WAY TO SAY I'M ENSURING CERTAIN PARKS, BUT I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THERE WAS A. OH, I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ON BAKER WOULD BE FOR FIRST AND THIRD FRIDAY AND SATURDAY, AND THEN CAMBIER WOULD BE SECOND AND FOURTH. 
          CORRECT. AND SO SO THAT CREATES THAT. AND THEN AND IF YOU SAY, WELL, THERE COULD BE, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE FLEISCHMAN EXCLUSIONARY, BUT YOU NEED IT LIMITED. THAT'S WHAT HE'S SAYING HERE. WELL, THEN WE HAVE THAT PART OF THE DISCUSSION, BUT I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK ANYONE WAS TRYING TO SAY THIS SHOULD BE THE EVENT, AND THIS ONE SHOULDN'T BE. IT'S JUST TRYING TO MASSAGE THEM BOTH. SO WE HAVE ENOUGH PARKS THAT CAN UTILIZE FOR THE THINGS WE WANT TO PROVIDE. YEAH. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR, OUR ATHLETIC IS EVERY WEEKEND. SO IF WE HAVE AN EVENT AT FLEISCHMAN PARK, IT, WE WILL DISPLACE SOME TEAMS. AND I DON'T HAVE ANYWHERE ELSE FOR THEM. THEY'RE THE ONLY FIELDS I GOT. OKAY. SO I SUPPORT THAT 
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ATHLETIC PARK. BUT HERE'S, YOU KNOW, THAT CONTRACT HAS TO BE FAIR TO US AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE AND THEIR CONTRIBUTION IN MAINTAINING THAT. AND THE OTHER PART OF THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL BECAUSE THESE ARE ARE WE ATTRACTING COUNTY EVENTS TO THE CITY? I MEAN, THAT THAT'S A CAUTIONARY PROTECTION THAT I HEAR THE RESIDENTS SAY, WHY ARE WE THE HUB FOR ALL SPECIAL EVENTS WHEN THE COUNTY HAS CREATED SUCH GREAT PARKS, IF I MAY? YES, SIR. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO THAT'S BEGGING THE BIG QUESTION. LIKE. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS HERE'S HERE'S THE CRITERIA WHICH AUTOMATICALLY IS GOING TO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF EVENTS. NOW, THE BIG QUESTION IS WHICH EVENTS ARE GOING TO START TO BE ELIMINATED. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO. AND I'M WITH YOU. I DON'T WE DON'T HAVE WE'RE NOT A VENUE EVENT VENUE. I'VE SAID THAT SINCE DAY ONE. I'M WONDERING HOW IF I THINK THIS IS PART OF THE PROCESS IS WE ADOPT SOME OF THESE STANDARDS THAT'S GOING TO FILTER SOME FOLKS OUT AUTOMATICALLY. IF WE SAY YOU HAVE TO BE A NOT FOR PROFIT. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE SAY YOU HAVE TO LIVE WITHIN, YOU HAVE TO BE A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OR OWN A BUSINESS IN THE CITY THAT'S GOING TO APPLY. LIKE ALL THAT WILL START TO WHITTLE IT DOWN. 
          IS THAT IS THAT CORRECT? IF THAT'S THE CASE, YEAH, YEAH. BUT BUT WHAT YOU'RE SUGGESTING I DON'T THINK HAS BEEN DISCUSSED YET. I THINK THE NON FOR PROFIT DISCUSSION WAS JUST BASED ON A LOWER APPLICATION FEE. RIGHT. IT WASN'T. YOU HAVE TO BE A NON FOR PROFIT TO HAVE AN EVENT IN THE CITY. AND WE DIDN'T DISCUSS BEING A CITIZEN EITHER. WELL MY POINT IS WHAT THEY'RE THERE'S GOING TO IF, IF WE'RE GOING TO LIMIT THE TIMES AND SPACES RELATIVE TO WHAT THEY ARE NOW, SOMETHING HAS TO GO AWAY NOW. SO THAT'S THE NEXT QUESTION IS HOW DO WE DECIDE WHAT IS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN AND WHAT IS NOT? I THINK FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, YOU SHOULD MAKE YOUR DECISION, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WITHOUT TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT EVENTS ARE GOING TO BE LIMITED. I AGREE WITH THAT. THAT'S MY POINT. AS WE CONTRACT, AS WE AS WE GET SPECIFIC WITH THE DEFACTO GOING TO. THAT'S RIGHT. MAKE A CHANGE IN SOME WAY APPROVED, ESPECIALLY IF THE EVENT VENUE THEY WANT OR THE PARK THAT THEY WANT IS TAKEN IS ALREADY OCCUPIED. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE WITH FLESHMAN, THOUGH, UNLIKE THE OTHER PUBLIC SPACES, IS YOU ACTUALLY HAVE APPROVED AN AGREEMENT THAT'S BINDING WITH THE LITTLE LEAGUE, RIGHT? THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN CAMBIER. LIKE THEY THEY HAVE AN EXPECTATION TO USE IT FOR A CERTAIN PURPOSE. MY QUESTION IS, HOW LONG IS IT YEAR ROUND SPORT FACILITIES AT FLESHMAN YEAH, I MEAN, WE HAVE THOSE ATHLETICS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE YEAR, DEPENDING FOOTBALL, BASEBALL, SOFTBALL, SO ON. SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING I THINK THE MAYOR MAKES A GOOD POINT. LIKE WHEN THESE LICENSE I THINK THESE LICENSE AGREEMENTS ACTUALLY JUST CAME BACK, DID THEY NOT. 
          AND WERE APPROVED BY COUNCIL OR WE TALKED ABOUT MAINTENANCE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO THAT'S CORRECT. YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT. BUT I THINK THAT WAS JUST APPROVED FOR 3 TO 5 YEARS. YEAH. 
          A FEW YEARS OUT. RIGHT. YEAH. THEY'RE THEY'RE GOOD FOR THREE YEARS AND TWO ONE YEAR RENEWALS. 
          YEAH. I THINK I MAKE A QUICK COMMENT. YES. CARL. WHAT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL TO IS NOT TO CHOKE OFF OUR LOCAL EVENTS LIKE THE NAPLES ARTS CENTER HERE, RIGHT IN OUR PARK HERE. THEY DEPEND ON THOSE THREE ART FESTS A YEAR. WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE WE PRESERVE THAT PART. THEY THEY HAD ART CLASSES TO OUR COMMUNITY. THEY'RE VERY, VERY MUCH INVOLVED IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO WE DON'T WANT TO WE NEED TO PRESERVE THOSE ENTITIES. AND WHAT DO WE PLAN? YEAH, I AND THAT IS A LITTLE BIT HISTORIC BECAUSE WHEN WE CREATED THE CRA, THE CRA WAS CREATED FOR THE ARTS AND THAT THE I CALL IT VON LIEBIG, IT'S THE ART INSTITUTE, YOU KNOW, THAT IS PART OF OUR COMMUNITY. THEY GET THEIR FUNDING FROM SOME OF THE EVENTS. I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S PART OF THAT PARTICULAR ORGANIZATION OR ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION THAT'S COMING. AND WE'VE GOT ART ON FIFTH AND ART IN THE PARK. AND HOW MANY DIFFERENT ARTS ARE WE GOING TO SUPPORT? I MEAN, I SEE THE ART INSTITUTE BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF OUR CARCRA VISION, BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S EXPANDED OR GROWN OR CHANGED IN ANY OF THOSE ART VENUES. YEAH, THEY'RE THEY'RE DEFINITELY ELEVATING THAT WHOLE INSTITUTE. AND WE DO HAVE REPRESENTATIVES IN THE CROWD HERE. I DO HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT BUT YEAH, AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE THAT PROGRESS BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD THINGS HAPPENING. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD ART PEOPLE BE REALLY PROUD OF WHAT'S COMING IN, THE FUTURE OF DISPLAYS AND WHAT'S COMING. YEAH. AND AS WELL AS THE CLASSES THEY'RE PROVIDING AND WANTING TO EXPAND THAT WHOLE AREA. BUT THE CLASSES ARE INDOOR. INDOOR. YEAH. RIGHT. 
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YEAH. BUT I MEAN, JUST FINANCIALLY, THERE'S THREE ART SHOWS A YEAR HELP FUND ALL THIS. 
          SO IF WE WERE TO NOT PRESERVE THOSE ART SHOWS, THAT WOULD AFFECT THE REST OF THE WHOLE ARTS INSTITUTE. OKAY, I DON'T KNOW THOSE DATES. SO WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION. MAYOR, CAN I JUST SAY ONE THING? AND I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT AND I UNDERSTAND THE POSITION COUNCIL'S IN. BUT WE CANNOT HAVE WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT SPECIFIC EVENTS. RIGHT. I MEAN, I THINK THIS CONVERSATION NEEDS TO BE GENERAL. I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT WHEN YOU START GOING DOWN AN AVENUE WHERE YOU'RE LIKE, OKAY, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS EVENT GETS IN. WELL, NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT. I'M NOT SAYING YOU ARE. I'M JUST REMINDING COUNCIL THAT THAT IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE. YEAH. EXCEPT FOR WHEN WE HAVE A POLICY OR IT'S PART OF A PLAN, YOU KNOW, A CRA PLAN, WE MAYBE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT THAT PLAN IS REALLY SUPPORTING AND, AND, AND WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THAT. SO WITH THAT, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS. MR. MAYOR. YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, I'LL KIND OF LAUNCH IT BACK INTO THIS CONVERSATION. 
          BUT KEEP IN MIND, WHEN WE ESTABLISH THESE THINGS, IT'S SET IN STONE FOR US. THIS IS WHAT WE FOLLOW. SO WE'RE CONSISTENT. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT APPLICATION COMES IN. SO WHEN WE WE'RE TRYING TO SAY THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO, WHAT'S THE CAPACITY, WHAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO GET OUT OF THIS. AND WE'LL PROCESS EVERYTHING ACCORDINGLY. 
          AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT IT'S DONE BASED ON THIS MANUAL. SO THAT'S WHY THIS DOCUMENT IS SO IMPORTANT TO US. SO BEING ABLE TO IDENTIFY THIS CRITERIA ARE WE GOING TO IS THE DIRECTION OF COUNCIL THAT WE WANT THESE PARKS TO BE PASSIVE ON CERTAIN DAYS OR CERTAIN WEEKENDS, OR DO WE WANT IT TO BE AN EVENT VENUE EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND? I THINK THAT'S THE TWO QUESTIONS THAT I WOULD OR THAT WOULD BE THE ONE QUESTION. DO WE WANT IT TO BE AVAILABLE AS A PARK OR SOMETIMES, OR DO WE WANT IT TO BE AN EVENT VENUE EVERY SINGLE WEEKEND? BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S IT'S AN EVENT VENUE. PRETTY MUCH EVERY WEEKEND. I'M WITH YOU. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY? WELL, WE HAD SAID THAT THAT NO, WE DON'T WANT IT TWO CONSECUTIVE WEEKENDS AND NO MORE THAN TWO WEEKENDS IN A MONTH. SO IS THAT A CONSENSUS OR IS THAT WHAT THE DIRECTION THAT WE WANT TO GO WITH THAT? I, WELL, I, YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY I THANK YOU, CHAD. WE DO NEED CONSENSUS. AND THEN DO YOU LIKE IT WHERE IT'S HAPHAZARD THAT IT MAY BE TWO WEEKENDS IN A ROW AT AT CAMBIER AND WHAT OR DO YOU LIKE IT WHERE IT'S MORE STRUCTURED AND SOMETHING LIKE THIS? I THINK THOSE, THOSE NUANCES WOULD NEED TO BE DISCUSSED. WELL, YES, I WILL SAY I LIKE IT MORE STRUCTURED, LIKE EVERYBODY KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT IN ADVANCE. AND YOU KNOW THAT IF IT'S THE FIRST OR THIRD WEEKEND, YOU CAN GO HERE. AND IF IT'S SECOND OR FOURTH, YOU CAN GO THERE. THAT'S I, I THINK UNMET EXPECTATIONS ARE A SOURCE OF STRESS FOR HUMANS IN GENERAL. 
          AND SO IF THEY KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT, THAT CAN ALLEVIATE SOME OF THAT. PUT AN EXAMPLE. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, YEAH, PEOPLE LIKE EVENTS. YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE COME DOWN HERE IN HIGH SEASON FOR THE EVENTS. SO I THINK WE'RE CHOKING DOWN 50% OF THE CAPACITY BY SAYING TWO WEEKS. THAT'S A LOT. I THINK FOR MAYBE A COUPLE MONTHS. WOULD IT BE FEBRUARY OR MARCH? WE SHOULD MAYBE MAKE IT WHERE YOU HAVE EVENTS FOR THREE WEEKS AND JUST CHOKE OFF 25% OF THE CAPACITY VERSUS 50 IN, IN TWO HIGH, THE EXTRA 100,000 PEOPLE VISITING THE AREA GIVES THEM SOMETHING TO DO WITH A ALL THAT. THAT'S MY MY FEELING ON IT DOES. I WOULD CONTEND THAT THE. 
          HAVING IT EVERY WEEKEND. IT'S NOT. SO YOU GET AN I, YOU HAVE AN OPTION EVERY WEEKEND. IT'S JUST THEY'RE JUST A MILE APART OR WHATEVER IT IS. AND THAT'S KIND OF A COMPROMISE BETWEEN 50 AND AND EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, SO I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE FOR DISCUSSION. I MEAN, I AGREE, WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT, WE'VE GOT TWO SEASONS. WE'VE GOT SEASONS HERE. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WHILE THOSE ARE NOT SPECIFICALLY DEFINABLE AND THEY'VE CHANGED THROUGHOUT THE YEARS AND WE'RE BECOMING A LOT LESS SEASONAL, HOWEVER, WE STILL ARE SEASONAL. AND I THINK THAT THAT I LIKE THE STRUCTURE, I WANT IT, I WANT IT, I, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME STRUCTURE AND WE NEED TO BRING THE PARTS BACK INTO BEING PARKS. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK THAT WHAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER DOING IS CONSIDER THIS TYPE OF STRUCTURE FOR THE OFF MONTHS BEING THE SLOWER MONTHS. AND THEN WHEN WE DO HAVE OUR WHEN WE ARE HITTING OUR CAPACITY, WE'LL CALL IT FOR FOUR MONTHS, WHATEVER, WHATEVER WE DECIDE, WHAT IS SEASON, YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, DECEMBER THROUGH MARCH, I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT IS. BUT FOR WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE SEASON, WE PROBABLY, I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL WEEKEND IN THERE SPECIFICALLY FOR DOWNTOWN, BECAUSE I REALIZE THE PARKS AREN'T VERY FAR APART. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THIS, I LIVE CLOSER TO BAKER PARK AND I DON'T GO TO EVENTS THERE. I COME DOWNTOWN, I LIKE DOWNTOWN, I GREW UP DOWNTOWN. DOWNTOWN IS 
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WHAT I THINK OF AS NAPLES, FLORIDA. AND THIS IS WHERE I LIKE TO GO. AND, AND I HAVE A FEELING THAT I'M NOT ALONE WITH THAT. SO EVEN THOUGH BAKER PARK IS A WONDERFUL VENUE AND IT'S GOING TO BE BE ABLE TO BE USED BY CERTAIN FOR CERTAIN EVENTS, PEOPLE WANT TO COME DOWN AND WALK FIFTH AVENUE AND SEE THEIR, THEIR ART SHOW AND, AND, AND, AND THEIR, THEIR FARMER'S MARKET AND THAT TYPE OF THING. SO LET ME JUST ADD, KEEP IN MIND, WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE PARKS. NOTHING. IF YOU LOOK AT THE CITY RIGHT OF WAYS AND DOWNTOWN AREA, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT LIMITING ANYTHING. IT'S NOT EVERY OTHER WEEKEND FOR FIFTH AVENUE. IT'S THE CAMBIER PARK IS THE SECOND AND FOURTH WEEKEND, AND BAKER PARK IS THE FIRST AND THIRD. THE REST OF THE AREAS ARE. I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU GUYS THE FLEXIBILITY TO HAVE A THIRD WEEKEND IN THERE DURING SEASON DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO FILL. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO AGREE TO, TO, TO, TO FILL IT EITHER. BUT I THINK I THINK THE STRUCTURE WOULD BE NICE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY FOR AN ADDITIONAL WEEKEND DURING SEASON, SPECIFICALLY FOR BEER. 
          SO LET'S SEE ABOUT THAT. WHEN. HOW THAT WORKS OUT BECAUSE THIS IS ALL NEW TO US, I. BUT SCHULTZ HAS BEEN WAITING. HELLO. YEAH. I GO BACK TO THE OLD SAW THAT I BROUGHT UP BEFORE IS. I REALLY THINK THAT NAPLES RESIDENTS SHOULD BE THE ONES THAT CAN RESERVE PARKS FOR THE FOR THE FOR THE COMMUNITY. SOMEONE WHO'S NOT A RESIDENT. WE'RE NOT A COUNTY PARK. WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE CITY OF NAPLES PROPERTIES. AND IF WE CONTINUE TO ALLOW OUTSIDE VENDORS COME IN AND MAKE APPLICATION THAT'S MORE PROFITABLE FOR THEM, I THINK WE NEED TO STRUCTURE IT WITH WHATEVER IT IS ON THE WEEKENDS, ALTERNATE WEEKENDS OR WHATEVER THAT IS THAT THE RESIDENTS, FIRST AND FOREMOST, SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO MAKE THE APPLICATION WITHOUT A RESIDENT ON IT. THEN THERE WON'T BE AN APPLICATION JUST BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONES. THE RESIDENTS PAY THE FREIGHT HERE AND WE PAY THE TAXES, WE PAY THE POLICE BILLS, WE PAY ALL THE ANCILLARY SERVICES. SO I'M MORE INCLINED TO LIMIT IT TO RESIDENTS OF THE CITY, HOSTING CITY EVENTS AND CITY PARKS AND VENUES. THAT THAT I THINK MATTERS IN HOW YOU YOU PICK AND CHOOSE IS ANOTHER MATTER. YOU COULD HAVE A LOTTERY, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A RESIDENT BEING THE ONE TO, TO PULL THE APPLICATION. THAT'S THAT'S I THINK SHOULD BE A HARD AND FAST FOR US, GIVEN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. BUT THAT'S MY $0.02. YES. AND, AND I, EVEN THOUGH I, I SUPPORT THAT YOU CAN GET A RESIDENT TO PULL A PERMIT. I MEAN, THESE CLUBS DO IT ALL THE TIME. YOU CAN'T HAVE AN EVENT UNLESS YOU HAVE A RESIDENT. I MEAN, A MEMBER SPONSOR IT. AND THEN THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, MEMBERS ARE SPONSORING EVENTS THAT THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO LIKE A KNIGHTS OF COLUMBUS, JUST A FRATERNAL, JUST GRAB ONE OUT OF THIN AIR THAT THEY'RE, THEY BELONG TO A CHURCH. AND THE CHURCH IS LOCAL, BUT IT'S IN THE CHURCH DRAWS FROM A LOCAL COMMUNITY. RIGHT? SO I, I UNDERSTAND THAT SOMEONE COULD, COULD BE A STRAW APPLICANT, AS IT WERE, OR THEY'RE, THEY'RE FRONTING FOR SOMEBODY ELSE. AND THAT WOULD THEN MEAN IT WOULD BE AN ORGANIZATION THAT WAS RESERVING THE PARK, NOT AN INDIVIDUAL. SO I THINK THAT THAT DIFFERENTIATION, I THINK CHAD WOULD BE ABLE TO PLAY WITHIN THAT THAT ROLE. THERE IS IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS STRICTLY LOCAL, LIKE I DON'T TELL YOU, YOU GUYS HAVE MOORINGS, YOU HAVE SOME EVENTS THAT YOU GUYS DO THAT ARE PRETTY UNIQUE TO WHAT YOU DO, AND SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES DO AS WELL. SO IF IT'S GOING TO BE NAPLES PARK SPACE IN INDIVIDUAL, NOT AN ORGANIZATION SHOULD BE THE ONE DOING IT IN MY JUDGMENT. 
          AND SO TO THIS GRAPH, IN LOOKING AT SIZE AND FREQUENCY IN GENERAL, I KNOW THAT THAT YOU HAD A CONCERN AND BARTON HAD A CONCERN. BUT WE HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE IN IN BEING ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, MOVE FORWARD IN, IN LIMITING WHAT WE'VE BEEN TASKED TO DO. AND THAT IS FREQUENCY AND NUMBERS AND THE IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY. SO IF, IF THAT'S WHERE YOU LEFT OFF, CHAD IS RIGHT HERE. YES, MA'AM. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN MAY I JUST ONE MORE? I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING IT'S THE PARK, BUT IF YOU HAVE AN EVENT ON FIFTH AND YOU HAVE AN EVENT IN THE PARK, THAT IS AN IMPACT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, THAT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT. I MEAN, THIRD DOESN'T HAVE THAT. 
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BAKER DOESN'T HAVE THAT. FLESHMAN HAS CONFLICTS. BUT WHEN YOU HAVE TWO EVENTS A DAY EVENT AND CAMBIAR A NIGHT EVENT AND CAMBIAR AND A ALL DAY CLOSED STREETS FOR TWO DAYS ON FIFTH AVENUE, THAT'S AN IMPACT. SO I'M SORRY, VICE MAYOR. AND THEN WE'LL GET ANSWERS. YEAH, IT CAN BE OUR PARK SPECIFICALLY. I, I THINK I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN KROLL AND BARTON ON HAVING THE POSSIBLE THIRD WEEKEND DURING THE SEASON, BUT ALSO ON CAMBRIDGE PARK. I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER MAKING SURE THIS NEW PLAYGROUND THAT WE JUST APPROVED IS ALWAYS AVAILABLE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CHANGES THE CAPACITY NUMBERS, BUT IT'S A BEAUTIFUL PARK THAT WE'RE INVESTING A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY INTO, AND WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO USE IT. AND I, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE BLOCKED OFF FOR A SPECIAL EVENT. IS IT EVER WE DON'T BLOCK IT OFF, BUT YOU CAN BEG TO DIFFER THAT WHEN YOU HAVE LARGE SCALE EVENTS, IT DOES IMPACT WHETHER OR NOT THE USAGE OF THE PARK AND THE PLAYGROUND IS AVAILABLE. OKAY. 
          THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER ON HOW WE MAKE SURE THE PLAYGROUNDS AVAILABLE, AT LEAST DURING THE DAY, YOU KNOW, ON SATURDAY AND SUNDAY, DAYTIME EVENTS THAT PEOPLE CAN TAKE THEIR KIDS OR GRANDKIDS THERE. MAYBE THEY DON'T AT NIGHT WHEN THERE'S A NIGHTTIME EVENT GOING ON, BUT AT LEAST DURING THE DAY, I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE ACCESS. OKAY, BEFORE WE COMPLETE THIS, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING ELSE? I CAN GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT AND THEN WE CAN WRAP THIS UP. YEAH, I MEAN, WE'VE GOT SOME WE HAD A COUPLE OTHER ITEMS IN HERE, BUT I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN TO THE CRUX OF IT. WE WERE TRYING TO GET TO VIOLATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE RIGHT NOW SOMEBODY VIOLATES THAT. WE TALKED ABOUT IT. THEY GET A DEPOSIT AND THEY LOSE A DEPOSIT, BUT THERE'S NOTHING ELSE. SO WE WANTED TO KIND OF CAPTURE WHAT THAT OFFENSE WOULD LOOK LIKE, WHERE THEY HAVE A FIRST OFFENSE, A SECOND OFFENSE, THIRD OFFENSE. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE TAKE THAT TYPE OF ACTION. SO I WANTED TO TALK THROUGH THIS. SO NOT ONLY WOULD YOU LOSE THE DEPOSIT, WHATEVER THE DEPOSIT IS, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO SAY, IF YOU VIOLATE THIS PERMIT OR THE TERMS OF THIS PERMIT, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LETTER NOTATING THE VIOLATION FIRST OFF, BUT YOU'RE ALSO THE VIOLATION WILL BE NOTED IN FUTURE APPLICATIONS MOVING FORWARD. YOUR SECOND TIME THAT YOU GET US, YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE YOUR DEPOSIT. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A ONE YEAR SUSPENSION FROM THE ORGANIZATION ORGANIZER OR, AND OR EVENT FROM BEING ABLE TO APPLY AND THE LOSS OF ANY OUTSTANDING SPECIAL EVENT DATE. SO IF YOU'VE GOT A REPEAT SPECIAL EVENT, THEN YOUR DATE'S NOT GOING TO BE HELD FOR THE NEXT YEAR. AND THEN THE VIOLATION WOULD BE NOTED AGAIN IN THE FUTURE APPLICATIONS SUBMITTED. AND THEN A THIRD OFFENSE WOULD BE A LOSS OF FIVE YEARS SUSPENSION FROM THE ORGANIZATION OR THE EVENT ORGANIZER EVENT, SUCH AND SUCH. AND YOU'D GET THE LOSS OF ANY DATES OR ANY SPECIAL EVENT DATES THAT ARE HELD OR THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED. SO IF YOU'VE BEEN APPROVED, IF I'VE BEEN APPROVED FOR AN EVENT FOR MULTIPLE DAYS AND I VIOLATE IT OR ANOTHER MONTH, AND YOU LOSE THOSE TWO, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. SO ANYTHING THAT'S APPROVED BETWEEN THAT SUSPENSION TIME IS GONE. THAT'S ABOUT THE STRONGEST I'VE HEARD. 
          I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR ABOUT THESE VIOLATIONS. AND YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT IF THERE'S A AN EVENT, YOU DON'T COME TILL THE NEXT DAY. AND IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S ON, IT CAN BE THERE COULD BE SOMEBODY AT NIGHT COMING TO CAMBIER AND ADDING TO, YOU KNOW, GARBAGE OR WHATEVER. YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CHECK IT THAT DAY, NOT THE NEXT DAY. I MEAN, YEAH, AND THAT, THAT COMES WITH STAFF. AND THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NITPICK. IF SOMEBODY LEAVES, IF THERE'S A BOTTLE ON THE GROUND THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SAY, OH, YOU VIOLATED, YOU'RE DONE. IF WE SHOW UP AND THEY HAD A, A TENT WITH FUNNEL CAKES, AND WE SHOW UP IN THE NEXT MORNING AND THERE'S FUNNEL CAKES ALL OVER THE GROUND, THEN WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED THERE. SO THIS ISN'T SOMETHING WHERE WE TALK ABOUT OFFENSE AND OFFENSE IS IS VERY DRASTIC. AND WE LOOK AT THAT VERY CLOSELY. WHEN I HAVE TO HAVE STAFF COME OVER AND CLEAN UP AFTER YOUR EVENT THE NEXT DAY, THAT'S A VIOLATION. GOT IT. THAT'S A PROBLEM. AND BARTON OH, I'M 
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SORRY. JUST THE MOST IMPORTANT ASPECT THERE THAT I WOULD GO BACK TO, WHICH I ALWAYS GO BACK TO IN THIS CASE IS PUBLIC SAFETY BECAUSE YOU HAVE FOOD AND COOKING AND SITE PLANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THOSE KINDS OF VIOLATIONS WHERE YOU DEVIATE FROM THE SITE PLAN, CREATING WHAT WOULD BE A HAZARDOUS SITUATION. THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING ELSE THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED VIOLATION. I JUST I SAY THAT BECAUSE THE CLEANING PART ISN'T IS IT CAN'T BE ISN'T AS IT'S IMPORTANT. PLEASE DO NOT LET ME MINIMIZE THAT. BUT THIS SAFETY ASPECT SHOULD BE TAKEN WITH THE SEVERITY THAT IT WITH THE SERIOUSNESS THAT IT SHOULD. YES. AND. MR. YOUNG RIGHT. I MEAN, IT'S NOT JUST THAT WE YOU COULD HAVE. THEY DIDN'T THEY WERE NOT APPROVED FOR AMPLIFIED SOUND. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY GOT A BAND PLAYING. THAT'S A VIOLATION OF THE PERMIT. THEY ANYTHING THAT THEY THAT WAS CAPTURED WITHIN THAT. AND THEY DO SOMETHING COMPLETELY OPPOSITE. THAT'S A VIOLATION. THAT WAS MY CONCERN. I WAS JUST GOING TO SUGGEST THAT VIOLATIONS ARE NOT ALWAYS BLACK AND WHITE. AND IF IF YOU SAY THEY VIOLATED SOMETHING AND THEY SAY, NO, WE DIDN'T, WHO'S GOING TO BE THE ARBITRATOR? AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, WHO'S GOING TO DETERMINE WHO'S RIGHT AND WHO'S WRONG. AND, YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS TO BE A FAIR PROCESS. BUT AGAIN, IF YOU'RE I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU YOU SAY YOU CAN ONLY HAVE 3000 PEOPLE AND THEN YOU CLAIM THEY HAD 3200. THEY SAY, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? WE SAY WE HAVE WE'VE COUNTED 2800. WE ASK THEM TO WALK AROUND AND THEY COUNTED 2800. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? I SAW I SAW 3200 AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE LIKE, WELL, IS THIS A VIOLATION? NOT A VIOLATION. AND FRANKLY, IT WOULD BE UNFAIR, IN MY OPINION, FOR THAT TYPE OF GRAY AREA TO SIMPLY SAY, WELL, WE'RE RIGHT AND YOU'RE WRONG AND MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE. THINGS ARE NOT ALWAYS BLACK AND WHITE. SO I, AGAIN, I, I, I, THE ONLY REASON IT BECOMES REAL IMPORTANT AS TO WHETHER IT'S GRAY AREA OR BLACK AND WHITE IS BECAUSE NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING TEETH INTO THE EQUATION, WHICH I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE DON'T DO. I THINK WE SHOULD, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE DO IT RIGHT AND WE DO IT FAIRLY. THAT'S THAT WAS MY ONLY CONCERN. NO THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE THIRD, ANYTIME YOU GO TO A FIVE YEAR SUSPENSION SHOULD BE SHOULD BE. I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A DIALOG WITH COUNCIL AND AND PLEAD PRESENT THE FACTS TO SAY, DO YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE OR WHATEVER AND BE ARBITERS OF THAT. THAT'S A THAT'S A LENGTHY ONE. SO I'D LIKE TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE STAGGERED INTO THERE. YEAH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE KIND OF LIKE AN HR DISCIPLINE POLICY, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. YOU HAVE TO DOCUMENT AND VERIFY AND THEN YOU. THAT'S JUST MY RECOMMENDATION. YEAH. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN WITH THOSE TYPES OF VIOLATIONS. BUT WE HAVE SPECIAL EVENT DISCUSSION ITEM THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE. SO THAT WOULD BE AN ITEM WHERE WE'D PROBABLY BRING IT WITH AN AFTER ACTION REPORT AND SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE WHAT WE WITNESSED. THIS IS HOW IT HAPPENED. THIS IS WHAT WE DID. AND THEN WE WOULD GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS. SO THAT'S FAIR. AND THEN I WANT TO GO TO MY LAST THOUGHT, AND THIS SPEAKS TO WHAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, ADDING AN EXTRA WEEKEND OR THIS, YOU KNOW, CUTTING TEETH TO THIS, TO THE OFFENDERS. WE'RE CREATING A NEW CULTURE HERE. SO YOU GO INTO A NEW ORGANIZATION OR YOU GUYS HAVE DONE IT IN BUSINESS. MY EXPERIENCE IS, AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DATA BEHIND IT, YOU BETTER YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO TRIM IT TWICE. YOU CAN'T PRUNE IT TWICE. 
          THAT'S GOING TO LOSE PEOPLE WAY WORSE AT THAT POINT, I WOULD SAY START WITH THE ODD WEEKS AND WE CAN ADD ANOTHER WEEK TO TO CAMP. LET'S JUST SEE HOW IF IT'S AN ISSUE OR NOT. YEAH. 
          BECAUSE IF WE START OUT THAT WAY AND THEN WE'RE LIKE, OH, THAT, THAT AIN'T GOOD. WE SHOULD HAVE NEVER DONE IT. WE SHOULD HAVE JUST HAD IT EVERY OTHER WEEKEND TO, TO THEN ROLL IT BACK CREATES MUCH MORE STRESS FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED THAN BEING ABLE TO ADD IT LATER. 
          SO, AND I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT PART, ANY OF THIS, IF YOU'RE, AGAIN, WE'RE CREATING A NEW CULTURE HERE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE HURT FEELINGS. THIS IS IT'S GOING TO HAVE SOME HURT FEELINGS. IT'S GOING TO BE VENDORS WHO MAKE A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY THAT COME HERE, THAT CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE. AND I THINK IT'S BETTER TO HAVE THE WHATEVER THE NEW BASELINE IS IN A POSITION WHERE WE CAN ADD TO IT, OR WE CAN HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY AFTER THE FACT AND NOT AND NOT TRY TO REEL IT IN AFTER YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THAT WHEN IT DIDN'T WORK. 
          THAT'S JUST MY FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH, MY $0.02. I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU, BUT I WILL ALSO ADD ANOTHER AGE OLD ADAGE, AND THIS IS SPECIFICALLY WHERE WE'RE NOT GOING TO AGREE AND THAT IS THAT DO IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. AND IN MY OPINION, DOING IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME IS TO IS TO HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL WEEKEND WHEN WE'RE THE BUSIEST IN TOWN, WHEN PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR STUFF TO DO. SO AGAIN, WE'RE ALLOWED TO NOT NOT AGREE. BUT I THINK I THINK DOING IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME IS PUTTING THAT THIRD WEEKEND IN THERE DURING SEASON. 
          THE QUESTION IS WHERE IF WE WERE TO DO IT, BUT OKAY, I'M GOING TO MOVE TO PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          AND IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM, YOU CAN FILL OUT THE REGISTRATION FORMS AND HAND THEM TO THE CLERK. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS JACK DEWITT. THANK YOU. FRANK, FRANK. FRANK. FRANK, 
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EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE INSTITUTE. AND IT'S GREAT TO SEE EVERYONE. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME SOME TIME TO EXPRESS SOME SOME THOUGHTS AND CONCERNS. IS IT ALL RIGHT FOR ME TO DISTRIBUTE SOME FACTS ABOUT OUR ART FAIRS? IF YOU WANT US TO PAY ATTENTION TO YOU AND FOLLOW IT, OR YOU CAN HAND IT TO US AFTERWARDS. I'M NOT REALLY FOLLOWING THIS SO I COULD GIVE IT TO YOU AFTERWARDS. YES, THAT'D BE GREAT. AND GIVE IT TO THE CLERK. THANK YOU. SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO SHARE SOME SOME COMMENTS. SO I'M THE DIRECTOR OF NAPLES ART INSTITUTE, JUST DIAGONALLY ACROSS FROM THE PARK. YOU ALL KNOW WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE DO. OUR PROFILE RECENTLY HAS BEEN RISING STRONGLY IN THE COMMUNITY. WE'RE REALLY RENOWNED FOR OUR EXCEPTIONAL EXHIBITIONS AND ART SCHOOL ART CLASSES FOR ADULTS AND AND CHILDREN. AND FOR THE LONGEST TIME, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT 5 OR 10 YEARS, BUT FOR DECADES WE HAVE BEEN ORGANIZING THREE MAJOR ART FAIRS EVERY SEASON. I THINK THE OLDEST ART FAIR IS LIKE SOMETHING LIKE 48 YEARS OLD, RIGHT? THE NATIONAL ART FAIR, THE DOWNTOWN IN MARCH IS 39 YEARS OLD. AND THEN THE ONE, THE NEW YEAR'S IS 31 YEARS OLD. 
          THESE ARE NATIONALLY RENOWNED FAIRS AND AWARD FILLING, AWARD WINNING FAIRS AS WELL. I AM OF THE BELIEF THAT NAPLES IS A PRIDE OF OWNERSHIP COMMUNITY, AND I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THESE THAT ART FAIRS IN OUR COMMUNITY, AS IN ANY OTHER, REALLY ARE SORT OF LIKE A BAROMETER FOR THE CULTURAL AND EMOTIONAL WELL-BEING OF OUR COMMUNITY. IN OTHER WORDS, JUST LIKE WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE PROVIDE AND CARE FOR WITHIN OUR BUILDING, I BELIEVE STRONGLY IN DELIVERING HIGH QUALITY CONTENT. WE'VE ALSO MADE SURE THAT THESE ART FAIRS MAKE THE CITY OF NAPLES REALLY PROUD. WE'RE NOT TALKING EVER ABOUT GROWING THE EVENT IN TERMS OF AMOUNT OF ARTISTS OR ANYTHING. WE'RE KIND OF LIKE AROUND 250 TO 254 FOR THESE MAJOR EVENTS. BUT I WANTED TO BRIEFLY SITUATE WHY IT IS VERY DIFFICULT FOR US, HIGHLY PROBLEMATIC TO EITHER MOVE THE DATE OF THOSE EVENTS OR MOVE THE LOCATION OF THE EVENT, THE ART, THE ART FAIR MARKET IN THE UNITED STATES IS SORT OF LIKE A DELICATELY BALANCED CONSTELLATION OF DATES AND SITES. YOU MAY HAVE YOU MAY HAVE A SPECIFIC ART FAIR IN LOUISVILLE, KENTUCKY, THAT IS ON THAT PARTICULAR WEEKEND IN NOVEMBER, FOLLOWED BY ONE IN MICHIGAN, FOLLOWED BY ONE SAME. 
          FLORIDA IS THE LARGEST MARKET FOR ART FAIRS IN THE COUNTRY, AND IT IS, FOR INSTANCE, REALLY CRITICAL. FOR THE LONGEST TIME, OUR JANUARY SO-CALLED NEW YEAR'S ART FAIR HAS ALWAYS BEEN ORGANIZED ON THE FIRST WEEKEND IN JANUARY, MOVING IT TO A WEEKEND LATER OR EARLIER GETS US IN CONFLICT WITH DATES FOR BONITA, WITH CORAL GABLES AND SO ON. SO IT'S A HUGE ISSUE FOR US TO DO THIS. IN TERMS OF DATES. IT'S ALSO HIGHLY PROBLEMATIC FOR US TO RELOCATE TO BAKER PARK, FOR INSTANCE, BECAUSE WE WOULD WE'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT PARKING. WE ALSO REALLY USE OUR BUILDING PROMINENTLY BECAUSE THE ART FAIR KIND OF LIKE EMBRACES US WITH ITS FOOTPRINT, OUR BUILDING, AND IT'S USED AS A HEADQUARTERS FOR FOR ARTISTS AND VENDORS AND SO ON TO COME IN. IS IT ALRIGHT IF I USE PLEASE JUST. YES. I'M SORRY. SO AGAIN, FRANK, FOR AN EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF NAVAL INSTITUTE. SO ANYWAY, MOVING ON ABOUT MY POINT. IT'S IT'S FOR US EXTREMELY SENSITIVE TO RELOCATE. I FEEL THAT WE'VE DONE WE'VE PLAYED A GOOD PART IN HELPING LESSEN THE BURDEN ON THE AMOUNT OF ART FAIRS IN THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE WE ALSO ORGANIZE HISTORICALLY SMALLER ART FAIRS KNOWN AS ART IN THE PARK. AND WHEN I JOINED THE ORGANIZATION FIVE YEARS AGO, I THINK THERE WERE STILL SIX OR SO OF THEM ALIVE. AND WE'VE NOW COME DOWN TO THREE BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S JUST TOO MUCH, TOO MUCH OF THE SAME, ESSENTIALLY RIGHT IN THE PARK. SO WHILE I RECOGNIZE ALL THE ATTENTION AND THOUGHT THAT'S GONE INTO PUTTING TOGETHER THIS, THIS NEW EFFORT TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF, OF EVENT IN THE PARKS, WE REALLY HOPE THAT WE CAN LEAN A LITTLE BIT INTO OUR HISTORIC TIES WITH THE CITY. AS YOU SAID, MAYOR HEIDEMANN, THESE THESE ART FAIRS PROVIDE A CRITICAL SOURCE OF REVENUE FOR US THAT HELP FINANCE, HELP FUND OUR, OUR, OUR PROGRAMS, WHICH ARE CRITICAL. I ALWAYS SAY, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE FACT THAT WE ARE LOCATED IN THE HEART OF NAPLES HERE IN, IN CAMBIER PARK, THAT, YOU KNOW, A GIFT TO US IS ALSO A GIFT TO THE COMMUNITY. 
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AND I FEEL LIKE THAT IS TRUE FOR, FOR ALL OF THE PROGRAMS THAT WE OFFER. SO HOPING THAT WE CAN AGAIN, LEAN INTO OUR HISTORIC TIES WITH THE CITY. WE'RE KIND OF LIKE A YEAR AND A HALF. WE WENT ON TO THE 4TH OF JULY PARADE WITH A FLOAT THAT SAID, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THE SUGDEN THEATER IN NAPLES. PLAYERS ARE THE PERFORMING ARTS BRANCH. WE'RE THE VISUAL ARTS BRANCH OF THE CITY OF NAPLES. SO I HOPE THAT WE CAN HAVE THOUGHTFUL CONVERSATION ABOUT NOT ABRUPTLY RELOCATING OUR DATES AND LOCATION FOR THESE PARKS. WE REALLY DO A GREAT EFFORT IN ENSURING THAT THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE FINESSE THEM WELL. WE LOOK FORWARD EVERY YEAR TO WORKING WITH CITY SERVICES, WITH POLICE DEPARTMENTS, SO ENSURING THAT THEY ARE REALLY FUN AND SUCCESSFUL EVENTS. AND, AND THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME. AND YOU HAVE A LEASE WITH THE CITY ON THAT BUILDING, CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. WE OWN THE BUILDING, BUT WE ARE ON A LONG, LONG TERM. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHEN IT EXPIRES. I THINK IT'S LIKE 2055 OR SOMETHING. LONG TERM LAND USE AGREEMENT WITH THE CITY. SO THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. AGAIN. THANK YOU. YES, FRANK, COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU. FRANK, SPEAK TO US SINCE YOU'VE SINCE YOU'VE HAD A NICE HISTORY WITH US, SPEAK TO US ABOUT THE CROWDS. ARE THEY INCREASING IN SIZE? DO YOU DO YOU NOTICE ANY DIFFERENCE? ARE THEY PRETTY STATIC IN SIZE? AND THERE'S. THERE'S NO RADICAL CHANGE IN SIZE, I THINK. BUT WHAT IS TRUE IS THAT SINCE I'VE COME ON BOARD, AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT TO TAKE CREDIT FOR ANYTHING, BUT WE'VE MADE SURE WE HAVE A NEW ART FAIR. DIRECTOR SUE GORDON BROWN, AND MY COLLEAGUE JACK, WHO IS OUR SENIOR DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS. ALL OF US, TOGETHER WITH THE REST OF THE TEAM, REALLY MAKE SURE THAT THESE FAIRS ARE VERY THAT IT'S A VERY WELL OILED MACHINE. AND SO I THINK THAT THE PUBLIC NOTICES THAT. AND YEAH, MAYBE I MEAN, THIS HAS ESPECIALLY BEEN A VERY GOOD SEASON. OTHER SEASONS SOMETIMES ARE AFFECTED BY CLOUD OR STORM OR SOMETHING DURING THE DAY, AND THEN WE HAVE FEWER VISITORS. BUT I WOULDN'T ALSO STATE THAT IT'S ALL OF A SUDDEN TRIPLED OR ANYTHING IN TERMS OF VISITATION. SO AND YOUR THE HISTORY OF YOUR ORGANIZATION, YOU'VE BEEN HERE FOR HOW MANY YEARS? SO NAPLES ART INSTITUTE IS THE NAME OF WHAT? WELL, WE'RE STILL DOING BUSINESS AS NAVAL INSTITUTE, BUT OUR LEGAL NAME IS NAPLES ART ASSOCIATION. WE'VE BEEN AROUND SINCE 1954, AND THE BUILDING HAS BEEN HERE SINCE 1998. SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. YOU WANT TO WRAP UP WHERE WE ARE, MR. MAYOR? YEAH. SO I KIND OF WANT TO GO BACK. I PULLED IT BACK UP BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CAPACITY, I DON'T KNOW THAT I REALLY GOT A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE WE'RE AT WITH ARE WE LIMITING CAPACITY OR ARE WE NOT LIMITING CAPACITY? ARE WE DOING THE WEEKENDS OR ARE WE NOT DOING THE WEEKENDS? AND I, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, I'LL GET A CONSENSUS ON THIS PARTICULAR PRESENTATION ON WEEKENDS AND THE AVAILABILITIES FOR DAYS AND CAPACITY. I'LL JUST SAY, I THINK A THOUSAND CAPACITY IT CAN BE HERE AND I WOULD SAY 2500 MAX AT BAKER. THAT'S MY THAT'S CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH STAFF THAT'S LOOKING AT DIFFERENT EVENT SIZES. I MEAN, AND THAT'S ALSO TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT MY COLLEAGUE HERE, COUNCILMAN BARTON, SAID ABOUT. WE IF WE TELL THEM A THOUSAND, THEY COULD BE 1200. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, ASSUMING THEY'RE NOT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE LESS IF THEY CAN HAVE MORE, I GUESS. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET EXACT COUNTS. 
          SO TO THAT WAY, I WOULD SAY JUST WHAT I SAID, 1000 TO 2500. OKAY. ON THAT THOUSAND, I THINK CELEBRATION CHURCH, WHO MEETS HERE ON SUNDAY MORNINGS, OFTEN HAS 3000 DURING THE SEASON. OH, WOW. SO THEY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY'RE ONLY THERE FOR AN HOUR, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CHURCH SERVICE. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. AND THE ART SHOW, I THINK PROBABLY HAS OVER A THOUSAND PEOPLE I KNOW. SEE, SEE, WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT VERY DIFFICULT. AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND IT'S A PRETTY HARD POSITION TO BE IN, BUT I CAN'T TELL YOU ENOUGH. GENERAL DISCUSSION, NOT SPECIFIC EVENTS. WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT TOO MANY SPECIFIC EVENTS TODAY. SO IF THERE'S A NUMBER IN MIND, AND WHAT I HEARD WAS WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THE PLAYGROUND REMAINS, A PLAYGROUND REMAINS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. I THINK THAT'S ENOUGH STAFF AND I CAN 
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WORK WITH PD AND DETERMINE WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. BRING IT BACK TO YOU IN THE FORM OF A RESOLUTION. IF WE WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AT THAT POINT, THEN WE CAN. OKAY. CAN I ASSUME THAT YOU YOU CAME UP WITH THESE NUMBERS? I MEAN, YOU OBVIOUSLY PUT THOUGHT INTO TO THE CAPACITIES FOR THESE PARTICULAR PARKS. I ASSUME YOU CAME UP WITH THESE NUMBERS. THEY WEREN'T WILLY NILLY. YOU KIND OF PUT SOME THOUGHT INTO THEM. YEAH. SO WE LOOKED AT IT LIKE PER SQUARE FOOT PER PERSON. WE DID SOME STANDARDS ON THAT. I ACTUALLY TALKED A LITTLE BIT WITH FIRE BASED ON THE IT REALLY, IF YOU HAVE AN EVENT THAT. AND THE REASON WE PUT LIKE A AND WE PUT CONTINGENT ON THE CONFIGURATION WAS BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE AN EVENT THAT HAS 100 VENDORS, THEN THAT LIMITS THE AMOUNT OF SPACE. SO NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE OF CONFIGURATION. NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT AN EVENT THAT CAN REALLY ONLY HOLD ABOUT A THOUSAND, WHERE IF YOU HAVE THREE VENDOR TENTS, THEN WE CAN PROBABLY EXPAND A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO WE DID AN AERIAL, WE FIGURED OUT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE. WE SAID, OKAY, AND I, I HAVE TO PULL UP MY CONFIGURATION, BUT IT WAS LIKE ONE PERSON PER TEN SQUARE FEET. AND THAT WAS WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION WAS. IF YOU HAD VENDORS, THEN IT BECAME ONE PERSON FOR 12FT■!S. SO THAT'S HW WE KIND OF CAME UP WITH THESE NUMBERS. WE DIDN'T DO IT BASED ON ON ANYTHING ELSE BESIDES THAT, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE WE TRY TO GEAR IT TOWARDS OUR UNDERSTANDING, LIKE WHAT THE SPACE IS LOOK LIKE, BUT THAT WAS HOW THE NUMBERS CAME UP. AND BAKER PARK HAS A LITTLE BIT WIDER AREA. SO THAT'S WHY YOU GOT A BIGGER NUMBER. WELL, WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS I WOULD RELY ON YOUR EXPERTISE AND YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH PARKS AND REC FOR US THAT IF YOU FEEL LIKE THESE ARE THE RIGHT NUMBERS, I WOULD DEFER TO YOUR JUDGMENT IN THAT SCENARIO. SO, MADAM MAYOR, THAT'S MY THAT'S MY MY OPINION ON THE ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE. AND IF YOU WANTED ALSO AN OPINION ON THE STRUCTURE ON THE DAYS OF THE WEEK, AGAIN, I'M, I, I'M GOOD WITH WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE. AND YOU CAN PICK WHICHEVER ONE YOU WANT FIRST AND SECOND AND SECOND AND FOURTH. BUT I WOULD I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE OUR STAFF FLEXIBILITY FOR A THIRD EVENT DURING SEASON AND THEN AND THEN GO BACK TO TWO, TWO WEEKENDS OUT OF SEASON. MAYOR, IF I MAY, I WOULD LIKE I FORGOT YOU HAD THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT SQUARE FOOT. SO PER PERSON I'M SORRY I WASTED OUR TIME WITH THAT. YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH THESE NUMBERS. I, I COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT HOW YOU CONFIGURED THAT. I APOLOGIZE EVEN THOUGH IT SAYS THEY'RE CONTINGENT ON EVENT CONFIGURATION. AS FAR AS DAYS, DO WE HAVE A LARGE AMOUNT OF EVENTS ON MONDAY THROUGH THURSDAY? DO WE HAVE TO HAVE EVENTS EVERY SINGLE DAY OF THE WEEK PLUS EVERY OTHER WEEKEND? WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF EVENTS IF YOU PULL THE CALENDAR, AND I SHOULD HAVE GIVEN YOU THAT CALENDAR IN THIS FOR THIS CONVERSATION, SO I APOLOGIZE. IT'S ACTUALLY IN ONE OF THE OTHER ITEMS. IF YOU PULL THE CONSENT, YOU'LL SEE THE, THE SPECIAL EVENT. YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT DURING THOSE TIME PERIODS. SO IT DOESN'T REALLY IMPACT THOSE. THOSE ARE SLOWER, SLOWER PERIODS. AND IN MY, MY OPINION, IT WOULD BE GREAT FOR SOME OF THE BUSINESSES TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE BUSINESS ON THOSE DAYS. BUT, AND, OR ANOTHER OPTION FOR SOMEONE WHO MISSES THEIR FRIDAY AND SATURDAY TO GO TO THE WEEK. AND THEN WE'VE DEFEATED OUR. 
          WE'RE BACK TO HAVING SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. SO YEAH, I MEAN, WE CAN DO WHATEVER THE COUNCIL WANTS IF WE WANT TO SAY IT'S THE WEEK, IT'S THE FIRST WEEK AND THE THIRD WEEK EVERY MONTH, THAT'S WHEN WE'RE GOING TO DO EVENTS IN THAT PARK. AND CAN WE HAVE MONDAY OFF AT LEAST? I MEAN, WE CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT. YEAH, I JUST THAT'S A LOT OF STAFF TIME. YOU JUST WANT TO BE CONSISTENT. WHATEVER WE DO. OKAY. OKAY. BARTON YOU'RE COMPLETE. I BELIEVE SO YEAH. 
          I'M GOOD WITH THE CAPACITY NUMBERS THAT YOU RECOMMENDED. SO AGAIN, I WOULD DEFER TO THOSE NUMBERS AND ARRANGE. AND A LOT OF THE EVENTS, LIKE, YOU KNOW, EVEN THE CHURCH TO GET 500 PEOPLE, THEY'RE UNDER 500 MOST OF THE TIME COULD BE, YOU KNOW, CHRISTMAS EVE, THEY HAVE THE, YOU KNOW, ONE SWELL. SO IT'S NOT LIKE A ONGOING EVERY, EVERY EVENT ISSUE. SO WE NEED A RANGE IS A BETTER IDEA THAN ONE NUMBER, I THINK BECAUSE YOU MAY HAVE A SWELL FOR A ONE TIME A YEAR TYPE OF EVENT. I'M GOOD ADDING IN THE EXTRA WEEKEND BECAUSE I THINK CHOKING DOWN THE CAPACITY AND HIGH SEASON BY 50%. SOME MISTAKE FOR THE EVENTS. WE'VE GOT A LOT BIG INFLUX OF PEOPLE AT THAT TIME OF YEAR. THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THINGS TO DO. IT HELPS OUR RESTAURANTS, HELPS. THE SYNERGIES AND MULTIPLIER EFFECT OF IT IS GOOD FOR FOR OUR LOCAL ECONOMY. SO I BEFORE HAVING THE THREE, THREE WEEKENDS AND LEANING TOWARDS ACCOMMODATING THE BEGINNING OF JANUARY, THE NEW YEAR'S EVE TYPE OF WEEKEND AVAILABLE FOR EVENTS. CAN I ASK 
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THOUGH, YOU'RE SAYING THREE WEEKENDS, DOES THAT MEAN IT CAN BE BAKER OR CAMBIER OR YOU'RE SAYING THREE WEEKENDS IN CAMBIER? YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. AND WHERE ARE WE, SCHULTZ? I'D BE FOR TWO AND RESIDENT PULLED SPONSORS. AND THIS PARTICULAR GRAPH. ANY COMMENT? PENMAN. I THINK THREE WEEKENDS. IS A GOOD NUMBER. FOR BOTH PARKS. YEAH. I'M SORRY. I AGREE WITH THE NUMBER THREE WEEKENDS PER MONTH, BOTH PARKS. BOTH PARKS. YEAH. YES. MR. YOUNG AND IS THAT JUST DURING SEASON OR JUST IN GENERAL? I'M JUST TRYING TO GET I UNDERSTAND. DURING THE SEASON. 
          VICE MAYOR, I AGREE WITH THE. I THINK COLIN BARTON SAID THREE WEEKENDS DURING SEASON FOR CAMBIER AND THE TWO WEEKENDS OUT OF SEASON FOR CAMBIER AND TWO WEEKENDS FOR BAKER. AND THE CAPACITY NUMBERS AS PRESENTED ARE FINE, BUT IF Y'ALL WANT TO REREVIEW THEM. CONSIDERING THE PLAYGROUND QUESTION, WHEN YOU COME BACK TO A FINAL, WE CAN LOOK AT IT THEN TOO. DID YOU SAY THREE WEEKENDS CAMBIER TWO WEEKENDS? BAKER YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHAT I SAID. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING TOO. IT LEAVES, IT LEAVES BAKER MORE OF A PASSIVE PARK, WHICH IS WHAT WAS KIND OF DISCUSSED AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS PROCESS BECAUSE IT WE'RE LEAVING IT AT TWO WEEKENDS RATHER THAN ALLOWING A THIRD, BUT IT GIVES DURING SEASON AN OPPORTUNITY FOR FLEXIBILITY FOR STAFF TO HAVE A THIRD EVENT DURING THE SEASON. YEAH, WELL, DON'T LET ME INFLUENCE YOU ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT'S THE CITIZENS THAT HAVE SAID CAMBIER IS TOO BUSY. 
          I, I UNDERSTAND AND I, AND I AGREE WITH THEM, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE TEARING IT DOWN. WE'RE PUTTING WE'RE PUTTING GUARDRAILS ON IT RIGHT NOW. BUT YOUR GUARDRAILS ARE COACHES. 
          GUARDRAILS ARE MORE, MORE STRINGENT THAN MY GUARDRAILS. HOWEVER, WE'RE BOTH I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY WHERE WE ARE. YES, MA'AM. WE'RE PUTTING A NUMBER LIMIT ON IT. THAT'S CORRECT. YES. CAN WE DEFINE IN-SEASON? I KNOW YEAH, I HAVE IT IN MY MIND, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. FOR ME, IT'S JANUARY THROUGH EASTER. YEAH. OH. BECAUSE EASTER IS SOMETIMES THE FIRST WEEKEND IN APRIL. SOMETIMES IT'S THE SECOND WEEKEND IN APRIL. WELL, HOW ABOUT IF YOU DEFINE WHEN WE START GETTING EVENTS IN THESE PARKS, HOW ABOUT IF WE JUST DO JANUARY 1ST, APRIL 30TH, AND THEN IF WE NEED TO BROADEN IT FROM THERE, WE ALREADY HAVE A DEFINITIVE PERIOD. THAT'S FINE. OKAY. OKAY. HAVE YOUR DIRECTION. I THINK I GOT ENOUGH TO WE CAN COME BACK WITH SOME KIND OF RESOLUTION TO BE ABLE TO MAKE SURE WE CAPTURED EVERYTHING. 
          YEAH. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE ADVISABLE, AND I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE PROHIBITIVE IF WE CIRCULATED ONCE. IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO FINISH THIS DRAFT, BUT TO CIRCULATE THE MANUAL AND GET INDIVIDUAL FEEDBACK, ONCE WE'VE DONE THAT, BEFORE WE DRAFT THE FINAL PIECE OF LEGISLATION. SO. OKAY, ANYTHING ELSE FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF THIS? I KNOW THIS IS A LOT. IT'S A IT'S BEEN A PROCESS THAT GOES ON AND ON AND ON. YEAH. WELL, I THINK I THINK WE GOT SOME GOOD DIRECTION TODAY AND I THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH IT. 
          SO I APOLOGIZE. I WISH IT WAS A BETTER WAY THAT WE COULD HAVE PRESENTED THIS, BUT THIS WAS ABOUT THE ONLY OPTION THAT I COULD COME UP WITH RIGHT NOW. SO I DON'T NOT TODAY, BUT WE NEED TO DISCUSS AS A COUNCIL ABOUT FOOD TRUCKS AND OUR POLICY ON FOOD TRUCKS, BECAUSE IT JUST KIND OF EVOLVES SINCE THE CENTENNIAL. ALSO, CITY SPONSORED EVENTS VERSUS CITY NEW EVENTS AND WHETHER WE NEED TO BRING MORE EVENTS. AND WHAT DOES A CITY SPONSORED EVENT MEAN? DOES THAT MEAN FEE AND YEAH, AND ALL THOSE DETAILS, WHETHER BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE SPEAKING OF IS EVEN TO THE EXTENT OF WHEN WE ORGANIZE AN EVENT, AND I'LL USE THE WORD 
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ORGANIZED INSTEAD OF SPONSORS, BECAUSE WE ORGANIZE EVENTS RELATED TO NORA CENTER AND SOMETIMES CAMBIER. SO IT'S DELINEATING THOSE. AND I UNDERSTAND ON THE FOOD TRUCK PART, BECAUSE FOOD TRUCK IS A COMPONENT UNIT AND IT'S DEFINED IN OUR MANUAL. AND THEN IT'S BUT THERE'S PREEMPTIVE SECTIONS OF FLORIDA STATUTE. SO WHAT YOU CAN AND CANNOT DO, RIGHT. BUT WE HAVE IT WITHIN OUR MANUAL THAT IT SAYS THAT UTILIZE A FOOK OR OTHER COOKING, YOU HAVE TO PUT IT WITHIN THE SITE PLAN SO THAT IT CAN BE FOR PUBLIC SAFETY REASONS. SO WE DO NEED TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION. AND I WOULD ADD ONE OTHER ELEMENT THAT WE EVENTUALLY HAVE TO GET BACK TO OR GET TO AS WELL. AND IT'S MENTIONED HERE IN PASSING, BUT IS THE EXPRESSION OF CEREMONIES. I WOULD LIKE TO EVENTUALLY HAVE A WORKSHOP ON CEREMONIES AT OUR BEACH ACCESSES, AND WHAT HAS BEEN ALLOWED, WHAT HAS BEEN DEFINED AND WHAT IS PAST PRACTICE VERSUS WHAT WE WANT TO DO. BUT I THINK WE CAN PUT THE FINISHING TOUCHES ON MOST OF THIS, GET THIS ONE MOVING TO LEGISLATION, THEN HAVE A WORKSHOP IN THE FALL ON THOSE OTHER COMPONENTS. MA'AM, I THINK THAT'S GREAT. OKAY, COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. 
          THAT CONCLUDES. I DON'T KNOW. YEP. HERE WE ARE AT 14 D14C. YEAH. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO 
          [14.C) A Resolution Amending the Fiscal Year (FY) 2025-26 Budget Adopted by Resolution 2025-15700 to Appropriate Funds From the General Fund to the FY 2025-26 City Attorney’s Office Budget for Other Legal Services for Specialized Legal Representation in the Amount of $125,000; and Providing for Scrivener's Errors and an Effective Date.]
HAVE TO TAKE A BREAK. THAT'S WHERE. THANK YOU SO MUCH STAFF. YES. MR. MCCONNELL YES THANK YOU MAYOR. SORRY, I'M JUST PULLING UP THE RESOLUTION ON MY LAPTOP. A RESOLUTION AMENDING FISCAL YEAR 2526 BUDGET ADOPTED BY RESOLUTION 2515700 TO APPROPRIATE FUNDS FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2526 CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE BUDGET FOR OTHER LEGAL SERVICES FOR SPECIALIZED LEGAL REPRESENTATION, THE AMOUNT OF 125,000 PROVIDING PRESCRIPTIONS, ERRORS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. BASED ON THE CONVERSATION WE HAD LAST TIME AND THE RESOLUTION THAT WE APPROVED. AS YOU ALL ARE WORKING THROUGH THE CIP AND BUDGET DISCUSSIONS, THERE ARE SEPARATE LINE ITEMS IN THE CITY ATTORNEY BUDGET. ONE FOR GENERAL EXPENSES AND ONE FOR SPECIALIZED LEGAL COUNSEL SERVICES. THIS IS NOT INCREASING THE CITY ATTORNEY BUDGET. THIS IS SIMPLY INCREASING THE SPECIALIZED LEGAL SERVICES. BASED ON THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD, WHICH CAPPED IT AT AN ADDITIONAL 125,000 FOR THE DECISION WE MADE LAST MEETING. CURRENTLY, WHAT WAS APPROVED WAS 150 000. 
          AS WE SIT HERE RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE WE'VE EXHAUSTED WITH THE LAST INVOICES THAT I'VE RECEIVED FROM MR. COLE. MR. BARR, THIS MONTH. WE ARE CURRENTLY AT 100 THAT'S BEEN SPENT. SO WE HAVE 50 LEFT, PLUS THE ADDITIONAL 125 TO GET US TO THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. SO UNLESS THERE'S QUESTIONS THAT HUNDRED THOUSAND THAT'S BEEN SPENT ON THE CURRENT THING OR THAT'S. NO, JUST GENERALLY. YEAH, GENERALLY SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE FISCAL YEAR, LAST TIME LAST MEETING I WAS AT, I THINK WE WERE AT 72 EXPENSE. SO SINCE THAT, THAT IS FOR ALL SPECIALIZED LEGAL COUNSEL, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES, FOR EXAMPLE. I HAD WHEN I WAS WHEN WE WERE SELECTED AND I WAS HIRED, THERE WERE ONGOING LITIGATION CASES THAT THE CITY WAS OUTSOURCING, NOT THROUGH RISK MANAGEMENT, BUT THROUGH DIFFERENT LAW FIRMS. WE ALSO HAD AN ATTORNEY ON ON STAFF TO REVIEW COMMUNICATION SERVICES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. I'VE LIMITED SOME OF THAT, BUT THAT'S WHAT THAT POOL OF OF THE FUND IS USED FOR. AND I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT THE ONLY THING THAT FUND IS USED FOR CURRENTLY IS JAMIE COLE AND ANDREW BARR, AND THAT IS I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT'S LEGAL COUNSEL, GENERAL, LEGAL AND CITY ATTORNEY. NO, OKAY. IT'S LEGAL COUNSEL AND OTHER LEGAL. AS PART OF OUR BUDGET, THERE IS A SEPARATE LINE ITEM EVERY YEAR THAT CITY COUNCIL APPROVES. SO WE HAVE THE EMPLOYEE LEGAL COORDINATOR. WE HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY BUDGET, WHICH IS USED TO PAY DICKMAN LAW FIRM INVOICES AND RALPH BROOKS INVOICES. AND THEN WE HAVE A LINE ITEM FOR SPECIALIZED LEGAL COUNSEL. THAT LINE ITEMS FOR SPECIALIZED LEGAL COUNSEL IS WHAT THIS REQUEST IS FOR. YEAH. 
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THE ONLY REASON I'M ASKING IS WHAT LINE ITEM IT IS, BECAUSE IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE FOLLOWING THIS. AND YOU'RE. SO DO YOU WANT TO GET BACK TO US BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE MEMO OF WHAT LINE ITEM IT IS. MADAM MAYOR, I CAN ANSWER THAT. THANK YOU. OH, GOOD. YEAH. SORRY. THERE'S TWO LEGAL LINE ITEMS, AS MR. MCCONNELL INDICATED. ONE SAYS LEGAL COUNSEL, GENERAL LEGAL COUNSEL, CITY ATTORNEY. THAT IS THE CITY ATTORNEY CONTRACT. 
          THEN THERE IS A LINE ITEM THAT SAYS LEGAL COUNSEL, SLASH OTHER LEGAL COUNSEL. AND THAT IS ALL LEGAL COUNSEL, NOT UNDERNEATH THE CITY ATTORNEY CONTRACT. SO WHAT WE ACCEPT FOR RISK, OBVIOUSLY, BUT ANYTHING THAT YOU DO IN A WHEN WE DID THE THE THE ATTORNEY RELATED TO THE LOBBYISTS, ALL OF THOSE ARE WITHIN THAT OTHER LEGAL COUNSEL THAT MR. MCCONNELL REFERRED TO AT THE 150 000. THANK YOU. SO THAT'S A GOOD REMINDER THAT THE LOBBYIST FOR THE HP4005 ALSO CAME OUT OF THAT BUDGET. SO THAT'S $150,000 BUDGET. THAT'S WHAT WAS APPROVED. BUT THIS REQUEST WOULD ESSENTIALLY TAKE IT TO 275. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND WE'VE EXHAUSTED TO DATE 101. SO FROM NOW UNTIL OCTOBER 1ST, WE HAVE 174 AND SOME CHANGE. ANY QUESTIONS COUNSEL. NO PUBLIC COMMENT. MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THIS REQUEST TO INCREASE THE SPECIALIZED LEGAL FEE BUDGET BY $125,000. I HAVE A MOTION BY VICE MAYOR. I'LL SECOND THE SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER KROLL. MADAM CLERK, VICE MAYOR, VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KROLL. YES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHULTZ. NO. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. MAYOR. HARTMAN. YES. IT PASSES 6 TO 1. ITEM 14 D SO THIS IS A 
          [14.D) A Resolution Authorizing the City Manager to Increase the Budget Amount for Specialized Aviation Legal Services in the Amount of $35,000 with Greenberg Traurig, LLP;  Providing Scrivener's Errors and Effective Date.]
RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO INCREASE THE BUDGET AMOUNT FOR SPECIALIZED AVIATION LEGAL SERVICES IN THE AMOUNT OF 35,000, WITH GREENBERG TRAURIG LLP PROVIDING FOR SCRIVENER'S AIR AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. SO THIS IS AGAIN, THIS WILL BE PAID FROM THE FUND THAT MR. YOUNG JUST REFERENCED. HOWEVER, IN THE CODE, MR. YOUNG ONLY HAS THE AUTHORITY FOR CITY FOR LEGAL SERVICES TO GO TO 35000 WITHOUT COUNCIL APPROVAL FOR MR. BARR. WE. THIS LAST INVOICE WILL REQUIRE US TO EXCEED THAT 35000. THEREFORE, WE ARE ASKING FOR AN INCREASE TO AUTHORIZE THE CITY MANAGER TO EXPEND UP TO AN ADDITIONAL 35000 FOR ANDREW BARR SERVICES THROUGH THE REMAINING PORTION OF THE FISCAL YEAR. THAT IS NOT A BUDGET INCREASE. THAT IS SIMPLY JUST AUTHORITY TO GO PAST THE CODE PROVISION. YEAH, THIS AMOUNT IS PART OF WHAT WE JUST APPROVED. THIS AMOUNT IN ADDITION TO IF PAID, THIS AMOUNT WILL BE PAID FROM THE AMOUNT YOU JUST APPROVED. THAT'S THAT'S THE CLARIFICATION. THIS IS NOT IN ADDITION, THIS IS JUST SPENDING AUTHORITY. YEP. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? JUST A THOUGHT. THIS IS WHAT'S CALLED MISSION CREEP. THE NUMBER IS GOING TO KEEP GETTING BUMPED UP AND BUMPED UP AND BUMPED UP AND BUMPED UP. AND WITH NO, NO SURE THING. AT THE END OF THE RAINBOW, AS FAR AS THE VICTORY, WE'RE GOING TO GET TO A POINT WHERE IT'S THE LAW OF DIMINISHING RETURNS. 
          WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SPENT SO MUCH MONEY WE CANNOT GO BACK. WE'LL HAVE BURNED A LOT OF GOOD CAPITAL WITH A LOT OF GOVERNMENTAL AGENCIES THAT WE CANNOT GO BACK ON. I THINK THIS IS JUST THE SLIPPERY SLOPE THAT WE REALLY SHOULDN'T BE ON AT ALL. YES, UNFORTUNATELY, JUST BEING ON COUNCIL SINCE OH EIGHT, THESE THINGS HAPPEN. WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD TO GO WITH. AND SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO HAVE LEGAL TO PROTECT YOUR POSITION. AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT THE THE BUDGET. BUT IF I MAY. YES. BARTON. I MEAN, KRAMER, I MOVE WE APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 14DA RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER TO INCREASE THE BUDGET AMOUNT FOR SPECIALIZED AVIATION LEGAL SERVICES IN THE AMOUNT OF $35,000. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER PITTMAN. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. YES. COUNCIL 
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MEMBER. SCHULTZ. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER. KROL. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. COUNCIL. 
          VICE. MAYOR. BLANKENSHIP. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. MAYOR. HARTMAN. YES. IT PASSES 6 TO 1. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. THAT TAKES. THANK YOU, MR. MCCONNELL. THAT TAKES US TO 15 A DO WE WANT TO TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK? OH, YES, WE DID. BUT I WAS ON A ROLL. OKAY. 
          WE'LL TAKE A GOOD ONE. WE'LL TAKE A FIV OKAY. WE'RE BACK IN D WE'RE CONTINUING ON WITH ITEM 615 A YES, MA'AM. MR. MCCONNELL, 
          [15.A) First Reading of an Ordinance related to the Six-Month Review of Live Entertainment Permits.
 
An Ordinance Amending Regulations Relating to the Six-Month Review of Live Entertainment Permits; Amending Subsection (e)(7) of Section 56-125, Live Entertainment Permit, of Article IV, Standards Applicable to Commercial Districts, of Chapter 56, Supplemental Standards, of the Code of Ordinances, City of Naples; Providing for Codification; Conflicts; Severability; Correction of Scrivener's Error; Construction; Publication; and Providing an Effective Date.]
THANK YOU SO MUCH. AN ORDINANCE AMENDING REGULATIONS RELATING TO THE SIX MONTH REVIEW OF THE NEW LIVE ENTERTAINMENT PERMITS, AMENDING SUBSECTION E, SUBSECTION OF SECTION 56, 125 LIVE ENTERTAINMENT PERMIT OF ARTICLE FOUR STANDARDS APPLICABLE TO COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS OF CHAPTER 56. SUPPLEMENTAL STANDARDS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. CITY OF NAPLES PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, CONFLICT, SEVERABILITY, CORRECTION OF ERRORS, CONSTRUCTION, PUBLICATION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MISS MARTIN, GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR COUNCIL. ERIC MARTIN, PLANNING DIRECTOR, WE HAVE FOR YOU TODAY FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE. THIS IS ACTUALLY A AMENDMENT THAT WAS REQUESTED BY CITY COUNCIL. 
          THIS IS RELATING TO THE SIX MONTH REVIEW OF LIVE ENTERTAINMENT PERMITS. WE HAD A COUPLE OF LIVE ENTERTAINMENT PERMITS THAT WERE BEFORE YOU FOR THEIR SIX MONTH REVIEW AT THE END OF LAST YEAR AND EARLY THIS YEAR. AND COUNCIL'S QUESTION WAS, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD STREAMLINE THIS PROCESS? THE SO THE REGULATIONS APPLICABLE HERE ARE IN SECTION 56, DASH 125, AND THESE ARE THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT REGULATIONS. THE SECTION IS SUBSECTION E SEVEN, WHICH CURRENTLY STATES THAT CITY COUNCIL WILL REVIEW ALL NEW PERMITS APPROXIMATELY SIX MONTHS FOLLOWING THE DATE OF APPROVAL AND MAY REVOKE OR ALTER THE APPROVED PERMIT OR IMPOSE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS AT THAT TIME. NOW, THE WORD IN THERE, THAT IS THE THE ISSUE HERE IS REVIEW. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT EVERY TIME WE DID A SIX MONTH REVIEW OF THESE PERMITS, IT WAS A FULL AGENDA ITEM IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL. SO WHAT WE WERE DOING IS NOTICING THE PETITIONER HAD TO PRESENT, HAD TO BE HERE TO TESTIFY. AND IT WAS A FULL AGENDA ITEM IN FRONT OF YOU JUST FOR US TO TELL YOU THAT THERE HAVE BEEN NO ISSUES OR VIOLATIONS. SO COUNCIL ASKED, IS THERE A WAY WE COULD CHANGE THAT? SO IF THERE IF THERE HAVE NOT BEEN ANY VIOLATIONS, ANY ISSUES, COULD WE JUST NOTIFY YOU ON CONSENT INSTEAD OF GOING THROUGH THAT ENTIRE PROCESS? SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HOPING TO DO TODAY. THAT'S THE AMENDMENT THAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY. WHAT THAT WOULD DO WOULD BE ELIMINATE THAT WHOLE PROCESS AND MAKE IT EASIER FOR THE PETITIONER, AND THEN ALSO SAVE COUNCIL A LITTLE TIME, CLEAR UP SOME AGENDA SPACE, JUST SOME BACKGROUND INFORMATION ON LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. WE HAD 16 TOTAL PETITIONS BETWEEN 2024 AND 2026. THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A FEW MONTHS AGO OF 2026. ONLY ONE OF THOSE PERMITS. DID WE HAVE ANY SORT OF ISSUES WITHIN THAT SIX MONTHS THAT WAS NEVER ACTUALLY BROUGHT TO YOU, BECAUSE THAT BUSINESS CLOSED DOWN PERMANENTLY IN THE INTERIM. SO WE HAVE NOT BEEN BEFORE YOU IN SINCE BEFORE 2024, WITH A SIX MONTH REVIEW THAT REPORTED ANY ISSUES OR VIOLATIONS. SO EVERYONE THAT HAS BEEN BEFORE YOU HAS BEEN A REPORT OF NO PROBLEMS FOR COUNCIL. SO THIS IS WE DID WANT TO PUT IN FRONT OF YOU. WE DO HAVE A SECTION IN THE CODE ALREADY THAT IS SEPARATE FROM THIS SECTION THAT ADDRESSES THE REVOCATION OF PERMITS. SO THERE'S A SIX MONTH REVIEW AT WHICH, YOU KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES COUNCIL CAN CONSIDER REVOCATION, BUT ALSO IN YOUR CODE, SEPARATE AND APART FROM THIS IS A PROCESS THAT BASICALLY INFORMS THAT THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT PERMIT IS CONDITIONAL AT ALL TIMES. SO THE CITY MANAGER CAN SUSPEND A LIVE ENTERTAINMENT PERMIT IF THERE ARE SAFETY ISSUES, OR IF IT IS FOUND TO BE OPERATING IN A WAY THAT IS HARMFUL TO THE HEALTH, SAFETY, WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY. THE, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD BE FOUND BY CODE ENFORCEMENT, THAT COULD BE OBSERVED BY A FIRE DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL. SO THE CITY MANAGER HAS THAT DISCRETION. AND THEN FOR THE ENTIRE LENGTH. ENTIRE LIFE OF THAT LIVE ENTERTAINMENT PERMIT, THERE IS A PROVISION THAT SAYS, SHOULD THERE BE TWO VERIFIED VIOLATIONS WITHIN ONE CALENDAR YEAR, WE WILL BRING THAT PERMIT BEFORE YOU FOR COUNCIL CONSIDERATION OF REVOCATION. SO THAT'S AFTER THE SIX MONTH. YOU KNOW, THEY MAY BE IN OPERATION FOR TEN YEARS. AND IF AT SOME POINT THERE ARE TWO VERIFIED VIOLATIONS, WE WILL BRING THAT IN FRONT OF YOU. SO THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THE SIX MONTH. THE SIX MONTH IS JUST A CHECK FOR COUNCIL. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU ISSUE THIS PERMIT, WE 
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WANT TO KNOW THAT WITHIN THAT, YOU KNOW, THE OPERATION OF THAT PERMIT BECAUSE SOMETIMES COUNCIL PUTS CONDITIONS ON THE PERMIT, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S OPERATING IN A WAY THAT IS, IS FUNCTIONAL FOR CITY COUNCIL. SO WE WOULD BRING THAT BEFORE YOU. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE BECAUSE WE'VE ACTUALLY MADE SOME CHANGES TO THE LANGUAGE. SO WHAT'S IN YOUR ORDINANCE IS THE LANGUAGE THAT WE ARE PROPOSING. AND THAT WOULD READ APPROXIMATELY SIX MONTHS FOLLOWING THE DATE OF APPROVAL OF A NEW PERMIT, STAFF WILL REPORT TO CITY COUNCIL WHETHER ANY CONDITIONS OF THIS PERMIT HAVE BEEN VIOLATED. THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT HAS NOT OPERATED IN A MANNER THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED PERMIT, WHETHER THE PROPERTY HAS RECEIVED ANY CODE ENFORCEMENT CITATIONS OR THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT HAS OPERATED IN A MANNER WHICH CONSTITUTES A NUISANCE THAT UNDULY IMPEDES OR RESTRICTS THE MOVEMENT OF PEDESTRIANS, OR THAT IN ANY WAY IS DETRIMENTAL TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY OR WELFARE OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY. CITY COUNCIL MAY THEN SCHEDULE A HEARING TO REVIEW THE PERMIT, AND MAY REVOKE OR ALTER THE APPROVED PERMIT OR IMPOSE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS AT THAT TIME. SO BY USING THE WORD REPORT, THAT ALLOWS US TO REPORT TO YOU ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, IF THERE HAVE BEEN NO ISSUES, BUT IT ALSO ALLOWS YOU TO THEN IF THERE ARE ISSUES, SCHEDULE THAT FOR A HEARING SO THAT YOU MAY RECONSIDER THAT PERMIT. I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD ONE THING TO THIS, BECAUSE THIS INITIAL PERMIT COMES TO YOU ANYWAYS. SO THE IDEA HERE WAS TO NOT REQUIRE STAFF TO DO THIS. BUT IF IF PART OF THE APPROVAL PROCESS, WHEN IT'S BEFORE YOU FOR THE FIRST TIME, YOU WANT TO REVIEW IT IN THREE MONTHS OR TWO MONTHS OR SIX MONTHS, YOU CAN ADD THAT AS A CONDITION TO THE RESOLUTION. STILL, RIGHT? HAVING IT IN THE CODE REQUIRED STAFF DO IT, BUT I WANT YOU TO FEEL COMFORTABLE KNOWING THAT AS THEY COME FORWARD. IF YOU'RE LIKE, I'M FEELING IFFY ABOUT THIS, I WANT TO SEE YOU IN THREE MONTHS, YOU CAN STILL DO THAT. THIS DOESN'T PREVENT YOU FROM DOING THAT, RIGHT? THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP, BECAUSE WE JUST HAD ONE THAT VICE MAYOR MADE AMENDMENTS TO OR CONDITIONS TO. SO HOW DO WE KEEP TRACK OF THAT? YEAH. HOW DO YOU KEEP TRACK OF IT? A CALENDAR REMINDER, TO BE ENTIRELY HONEST WITH YOU. WE JUST HAVE THAT INTERNALLY. WE KEEP TRACK OF THAT INTERNALLY. SIX MONTHS AFTER THE DATE THAT A PERMIT IS APPROVED. THE OTHER THING YOU WOULD MIGHT CONSIDER TOO THAT WE'VE SEEN RECENTLY. SO THIS PUTS THIS IN THE CODE REQUIRES IT. BUT TO CITY ATTORNEY'S POINT, SOMETIMES YOU'LL SEE A PETITIONER COME IN AND THEY'RE REQUESTING LIVE ENTERTAINMENT FOR A BUSINESS THAT HASN'T THAT HASN'T BEGUN OPERATIONS YET. RIGHT? SO THIS THIS IS A BLANKET REQUIREMENT FOR THAT REQUIRES THIS SIX MONTHS FOLLOWING DATE OF APPROVAL. NOW, YOU SAW IN AN INSTANCE RECENTLY WHERE YOU SAID, KNOWING THAT THIS ISN'T GOING TO BE OPERATIONAL RIGHT AWAY, WE WANT TO CHECK IN SIX MONTHS AFTER IT STARTS OPERATION. YOU STILL HAVE THE DISCRETION TO DO THAT. THIS IS JUST A BLANKET, ONE THAT WILL BE IN THERE APPLICABLE TO TO ALL REQUESTS. RIGHT. AND THERE ARE SEVERAL LIKE THAT EVEN TIMES OF OPERATION. SO HOW WILL THAT I MEAN, I GUESS IT'S NOT ABOUT OPERATION. IT'S ABOUT NOISE OR WHAT WHAT. SO THE WAY THIS IS WORDED IS IF THERE'S A VIOLATION OF ANY CONDITION OF THAT PERMIT, THAT COULD BE THE HOURS THAT COULD, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY HAVING LIVE ENTERTAINMENT OUTSIDE OF THE HOURS OR THE DAYS THAT ARE APPROVED BY COUNCIL? WERE THEY APPROVED FOR TWO PERFORMERS AND THEY HAD A SIX PIECE BAND SHOW UP? ■IS THE THE PERFORMER IN A LOCATION THAT WASN'T APPROVED ON THE LIFE SAFETY PLAN? THIS ALLOWS THAT IF THERE IS A VIOLATION OF ANY OF THOSE APPROVED CONDITIONS, WILL REPORT THAT TO YOU. SO JUST TO BE CONSISTENT WITH LANGUAGE THIS SAYS IMPEDES OR RESTRICTS THE MOVEMENT OF PEDESTRIANS. ISN'T THAT THE LIFE SAFETY PLAN? YES. SO IF FOR SOME REASON THEY HAVE A LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, YOU KNOW, THEY VIOLATE THEIR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT PERMIT BY PLACING EQUIPMENT WITHIN AN EGRESS PATH, THAT WOULD BE A VIOLATION THAT WOULD BE REPORTED TO COUNCIL. 
          WELL, I'D FEEL MORE COMFORTABLE BEING CONSISTENT WITH THE LANGUAGE SAYING VIOLATION OF OR VIOLATES THE LIFE SAFETY PLAN BECAUSE SO THAT LANGUAGE, IF YOU'LL SEE, I THINK IT'S STILL UP ON YOUR SCREEN, THE LANGUAGE THAT WE BROUGHT INTO THIS SUBSECTION E SEVEN, WAS BROUGHT IN FROM THE EXISTING LANGUAGE IN SUBSECTION G ONE, WHICH IS THE REVOCATION SECTION. SO WE WANTED TO STAY CONSISTENT WITH LANGUAGE THAT'S ALREADY IN THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT REGULATIONS. 
          AND THAT'S THE ONLY SECTION IS 56125 FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. YES, THERE ARE SEPARATE REGULATIONS FOR OUTDOOR DINING THAT MIGHT BE SIMILAR. BUT THIS ALL OF YOUR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT REGULATIONS ARE IN 56-125. WE JUST BORROWED FROM THAT EXISTING LANGUAGE. BUT YOU JUST 
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SAID IT'LL BE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT DINING. THIS IS JUST FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. 
          OKAY. THE ONLY SUGGESTION I WOULD MAKE MAYOR AND I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO STAY CONSISTENT. 
          AND I DO AGREE WITH ERICA, IS I WOULD ACTUALLY REMOVE THE WORD THAT BEFORE UNDULY, BECAUSE WHEN YOU READ IT, IT ALMOST MAKES IT SEEM LIKE THE NUISANCE. THE NUISANCE MUST UNDULY IMPEDE OR RESTRICT THE MOVEMENT OF PEDESTRIANS. AND I ACTUALLY, I ACTUALLY WANT THE NUISANCE TO BE TREATED SEPARATELY, OR IT UNDULY IMPEDES OR RESTRICTS THE MOVEMENT OF PEDESTRIANS. SO IF WE REMOVE THE WORD THAT, THEN YOU'RE ACTUALLY EVERY COMMA IS A SEPARATE REASON. THIS CAN COME BEFORE YOU. YEP. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT YOU GUYS ARE FOLLOWING ME, BUT. AND YOU JUST ADDED THE ONE SECTION OF THE CODE 7.1. DID I READ THAT CORRECTLY? WHAT'S THAT? SO THE 5.1 OF THE CODE THIS WILL GO POLICIES UNDER THE COMP PLAN. THAT'S AT THE END OF THE MEMO. 
          IT SAYS THE FOLLOWING POLICIES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN APPLY TO TEXT AMENDMENT 26 T ONE POLICY FIVE ONE. THERE'S ONLY ONE POLICY RELATING TO THAT. THIS IS AT THE END OF. SORRY THE MEMO. OH THAT'S THAT'S PAB REPORT. STAFF REPORT. NO, I MEAN EVERYTHING HAS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ENTIRE COMP PLAN. THIS WAS JUST A, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC ONE THAT FURTHERED THIS OBJECTIVE THIS POLICY. WELL, NOT THE ENTIRE COMP PLAN, BUT I MEAN, AS IT RELATES TO THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT, I MEAN, EVERYTHING THAT WE APPROVE HAS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE ENTIRE COMP PLAN. BUT THIS WAS A POLICY THAT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSES, YOU KNOW, IS SPECIFICALLY APPLICABLE TO LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. THAT'S WHY WE CALLED THIS ONE OUT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE ELEMENTS OF YOUR COMP PLAN THAT AREN'T RELATED TO LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, BUT THIS ONE SPECIFICALLY IS. COUNCIL QUESTIONS. YES, SCHULTZ. 
          I NOTICED THAT THE PAB WAS ON THE SEVEN. OH. CAN YOU TELL ME YOUR RECAP THE SUMMARY OF THE CONVERSATION FROM THE PAB IN REGARDS TO HOW THEY CAME TO A SEVEN ZERO DECISION, WAS A VERY SHORT DISCUSSION IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, AND THERE WAS NOT A LOT OF DISCUSSION. NONE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I HAVE A MOTION. I HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. MAYOR. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER 15. A AN ORDINANCE AMENDING REGULATIONS RELATING TO THE SIX MONTH REVIEW OF LIVE ENTERTAINMENT PERMITS AMENDING. AM I WRONG? THAT'S GOOD. IS THAT ENOUGH? OKAY. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER AND A SECOND BY BARTON. I HAVE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT BECAUSE THERE'S ONE THING ON HERE IS IT DOESN'T SAY THAT IT'LL BE REPORTED TO COUNCIL UNLESS I'M MISSING IT. JUST IN CASE WE'RE NOT HERE, THAT IT WILL BE GIVEN TO COUNCIL THROUGH THE CONSENT AGENDA. IT SAYS APPROXIMATELY SIX MONTHS FOLLOWING THE DATE OF CITY COUNCIL IN THE FIRST SENTENCE. SO, YEAH, IT WILL COME TO CITY COUNCIL. IT JUST WON'T COME AS A AN ACTION ITEM. IT MAY COME AS JUST AN UPDATE, JUST AN INFORMATIONAL INSTEAD OF AN ACTUAL RENEWAL. AND THEN IT SAYS CITY COUNCIL MAY THEN SCHEDULE TO THE END OF MAY. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT. I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT. I, I SKIPPED OVER IT THAT IT WAS BECAUSE I HEARD THE WORDS THAT IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE NUMBER SEVEN. AND THAT COVERS IT FOR REPORTING. THE ONLY FRIENDLY AMENDMENT THAT OR NOT FRIENDLY BUT SORRY, FYI, IS BETWEEN THIS READING AND SECOND READING OF THIS READING PASSES, I WE'RE JUST GOING TO REMOVE THAT ONE WORD, THAT PERFORMANCE. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. MOTION BY CORRECT. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. 
          MADAM CLERK, PLEASE HOLD. PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. 
          COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ. YES. VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. YES. MAYOR. HEITMAN. YES. THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THAT CONCLUDES 15 A TAKING US TO 16 A MR. MCCONNELL. YES. 
          [16.A) An Ordinance Amending Article I, in General, of Chapter 36, Traffic and Vehicles, of the Code of Ordinances, City of Naples for the Purpose of Providing for Definitions and Providing for Regulations Relating to Electric Bicycles; and Providing for Codification, Conflicts, Severability, Correction of Scrivener’s Errors, Construction, Publication, and an Effective Date.]
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THANK YOU. MAYOR. AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ARTICLE ONE IN GENERAL OF CHAPTER 36, TRAFFIC AND VEHICLES OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. CITY OF NAPLES, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS AND PROVIDING FOR REGULATIONS RELATING TO ELECTRIC BICYCLES, PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, CONFLICT, SEVERABILITY, CORRECTION OF SCRIVENER'S ERRORS, CONSTRUCTION PUBLICATION AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL AND CITY ENGINEER. SO WE'RE HERE TO. THIS IS THE SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS PASSED IN APRIL. AND WE'RE HERE JUST TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. COUNCIL QUESTIONS. 
          HAS ANYTHING CHANGED SINCE FIRST READING? NO, SIR. I DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SECOND. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ARTICLE ONE IN GENERAL OF CHAPTERS 36, TRAFFIC AND VEHICLES OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. CITY OF NAPLES, FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING FOR DEFINITIONS AND PROVIDING REGULATIONS RELATING TO ELECTRIC BICYCLES. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER BURTON SECOND, A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER KROLL. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. BURTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENNYMAN. YES. VICE MAYOR. BLANKENSHIP. YES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. KROLL. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. COUNCILMEMBER. SCHULTZ. YES. 
          MAYOR HARTMAN. YES. THANK YOU. COUNCIL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU, STAFF ONE AND DONE. 
          TWO AND DONE. NOW GOING TO ITEM. 16 B. YES. THANK YOU. MAYOR. AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ARTICLE TWO 
          [16.B) An Ordinance Amending Article 2 Titled Council, Section 2.5(1) of the City Charter Pertaining to the "Salary" of the Mayor and Councilmembers of the City of Naples to Adjust the Salaries of the Mayor and City Council of the City of Naples; Providing for a Referendum on the Question of Approval of the Proposed Amendment in English and Spanish; Providing for Filing the Revised Charter as Amended with the Florida Department of State; Providing for Coordination with the Supervisor of Elections of Collier County, Florida; Providing for Conflicts; Severability; Correction of Scrivener’s Error; Construction; Publication; and an Effective Date.]
TITLED COUNCIL SECTION 2.5, SUBPARAGRAPH ONE OF THE CITY CHARTER PERTAINING TO THE SALARY OF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS OF THE CITY OF NAPLES TO ADJUST THE SALARIES OF THE MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF NAPLES, PROVIDING FOR A REFERENDUM ON THE QUESTION OF APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH, PROVIDING FOR FILING THE REVISED CHARTER, AS AMENDED WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF STATE PROVIDING FOR COORDINATION WITH THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS OF COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA. 
          PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, CORRECTION OF SCRIVENER'S ERRORS, CONSTRUCTION PUBLICATION AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. SO. AS YOU RECALL, THIS CONVERSATION STARTED AT THE END OF LAST YEAR. THIS IS SECOND READING. THIS ONE ACTUALLY AMENDS THE SALARY LANGUAGE IN THE CHARTER. THE NEXT ONE WILL ACTUALLY CODIFY THE PROCESS THAT WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING WITH THE BLUE RIBBON COMMITTEE. AND I DO HAVE A MINOR SUGGESTED EDIT FROM THAT ONE. BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S UP TO TO COUNCIL HOW YOU WOULD LIKE TO PROCEED IN THIS, IN THIS CIRCUMSTANCE. VICE MAYOR? YEAH. MR. MCCONNELL, I'VE DISCUSSED THIS SEVERAL TIMES OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS. PERSONALLY, I DON'T THINK WE NEED THE ONE IN 16BI THINK WE JUST NEED 16 C BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT REALLY CODIFIES AND CLARIFIES THE PROCESS THE CITY'S BEEN FOLLOWING FOR YEARS WITH THE BLUE RIBBON COMMITTEE. AND IT JUST SAYS THAT'S. AND WE JUST NEED THE PEOPLE TO VOTE AND SAY THAT'S THE PROCESS. WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO FOLLOW. I THINK THERE'S ONE SMALL CHANGE THAT MATTHEW REFERRED TO. IT SAYS THAT FOLLOWING THE BASICALLY SUMMARIZING FOLLOWING THE BLUE RIBBON COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION, COUNCIL CAN THEN CHANGE COMPENSATION BASED ON THEIR RECOMMENDATION BY ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION. AND I THINK IT SHOULD ONLY BE BY ORDINANCE, BECAUSE THAT REQUIRES TWO READINGS, AND A RESOLUTION IS ONLY ONE. AND AN ORDINANCE IS. TO ME, IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE TRANSPARENCY THAT GIVES THE PUBLIC TWO TIMES TO KNOW ABOUT IT AND WEIGH IN. IF THEY DON'T AGREE WITH WHAT THE BLUE RIBBON COMMITTEE WAS RECOMMENDING. OKAY. BECAUSE IT SAYS UNDER NUMBER TWO IN THE RESOLUTION. CORRECT. RIGHT. WELL, THAT WOULD BE IN THIS IN THE 16 C, CORRECT. BECAUSE TO ME, IT JUST SEEMS FUNNY TO DO 16 B TO CHANGE THE DOLLAR AMOUNTS. AND THEN. 16 C TAKE THEM OUT AND SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO WITH THE BLUE RIBBON COMMITTEE PROCESS IS THAT WE'VE BEEN FOLLOWING. SO TO ME IT JUST MAKES SENSE. LET'S JUST CODIFY WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING FOR HOW LONG? 40 PLUS YEARS. SINCE 85, 1985. AND IF I MAY, MAYOR, I THINK THAT'S A VALID POINT, BECAUSE ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE FIRST ONE WAS ADDRESSING WAS THE FACT THAT WE JUST HAD A BLUE RIBBON COMMITTEE, AND THEY PROPOSED SALARIES, AND WE WANTED TO UPDATE THOSE SALARIES. 
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BUT IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IF 16 C PASSES AND ALLOWS YOU ALL TO APPROVE THE SALARIES BY ORDINANCE WITHOUT REFERENDUM, THEN WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO CHANGE THE SALARIES IN THE CHARTER BY REFERENDUM. I YEAH, QUICK QUESTION. WHY DIDN'T ANY OF US THINK OF THIS BEFORE THE VICE MAYOR SAID IT? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A POINT OF ORDER. I DID THINK ABOUT IT ALSO WHEN I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH MATTHEW ABOUT WHATEVER. SO I WAS I WAS AT LEAST A DAY AHEAD OF TIME AS WELL. AS YOU KNOW, I HAVE CONFIDENTIAL COMMUNICATIONS WITH ALL OF YOU. SO YEAH, EVERYONE THOUGHT OF IT ACTUALLY. NO, NO, NO, IT, IT IS A VALID POINT THAT THE WHOLE REASON THAT MY, MY ADVICE WAS TO DO A CHARTER REFERENDUM IS BECAUSE THE SALARIES WERE ACTUALLY IDENTIFIED BY NUMBER IN THE CHARTER. AND ALTHOUGH THE SALARIES MAY CONTINUE TO BE THERE, ALLOWING VOTERS TO VOTE ON THE PROCESS THAT YOU'VE BEEN FOLLOWING AND SAY THAT COUNCIL CAN APPROVE THIS RECOMMENDATION BY ORDINANCE, WILL RESULT IN NO REFERENDUM IN THE FUTURE. AND EVERY FOUR YEARS, WE WILL ESSENTIALLY CONTINUE TO DO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING SINCE 85. 
          PROCEDURALLY SPEAKING. WE JUST SIMPLY DON'T VOTE ON THIS ONE. IF ASSUMING THAT WE AS A COUNCIL AGREE THAT THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DON'T NEED TO DO. IT'S AN INTERESTING ONE. I WOULD ACTUALLY VOTE IT DOWN. OKAY. I WOULD VOTE 16 B DOWN AND THEN LET ME READ THE TITLE FOR 16 C, OKAY, OKAY, I'LL MAKE A MOTION. IF I MAY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION ON ITEM 16 B. AND I GUESS I'M MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE ITEM 16 B AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ARTICLE TWO TITLED COUNCIL SECTION 2.5, ONE OF THE CITY CHARTER PERTAINING THE SALARY OF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS OF THE CITY OF NAPLES. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER. I'LL SECOND THAT, AND I HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE COUNCIL. NO PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE RECORD. NO. THERE ARE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU, SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER PENNYMAN. YES. NO. NO, NO. THEY WERE REJECTING IT. RIGHT. WELL, LET WELL, WAIT A MINUTE. LET'S. YES. SO YOU'RE VOTING. EVERYONE CAN VOTE THE WAY THEY WANT TO. 
          BUT BUT THIS IS A DIFFICULT ONE BECAUSE WE ARE IN THE NEGATIVE. SO WE ARE VOTING TO APPROVE IT. 
          BUT THE IDEA IS WE DON'T NEED THE FIRST ONE. SO IF YOU AGREE WITH WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED, YOUR VOTE WOULD BE NO TO APPROVE THIS, THEN AMENDED NO. NO. MADAM CLERK. VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP, NO. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          KROLL. NO. MAYOR HARTMAN, NO. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. MCCONNELL. THANK YOU. 16 C YES, AN 
          [16.C) An Ordinance Amending Article 2 Titled Council, Section 2.5(1) and 2.5(2) of the City Charter Pertaining to the "Salary" of the Mayor and Councilmembers of the City of Naples to Give the Power to Adjust the Salaries of the Mayor and Council to the Blue Ribbon Committee of the City of Naples; Providing for a Referendum on the Question of Approval of the Proposed Amendment in English and Spanish; Providing for Filing the Revised Charter as Amended with the Florida Department of State; Providing for Coordination with the Supervisor of Elections of Collier County, Florida; Providing for Conflicts, Severability, Correction of Scrivener’s Error, Construction, Publication and an Effective Date.]
ORDINANCE AMENDING ARTICLE TWO TITLED COUNCIL SECTION 2.5, SUBPARAGRAPH ONE AND 2.5. 
          SUBPARAGRAPH TWO OF THE CITY CHARTER PERTAINING TO THE SALARY OF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS OF THE CITY OF NAPLES TO GIVE THE POWER TO ADJUST THE SALARIES OF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL TO THE BLUE RIBBON COMMITTEE OF THE CITY OF NAPLES, PROVIDING FOR A REFERENDUM ON THE QUESTION OF APPROVAL OF THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IN ENGLISH AND SPANISH, PROVIDING FOR FILING THE REVISED CHARTER, AS AMENDED WITH THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF STATE PROVIDING FOR COORDINATION WITH THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS OF COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA. 
          PROVIDING FOR SEVERABILITY, CORRECTION OF ERRORS, CONSTRUCTION, PUBLICATION AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. JUST TO REITERATE, THIS IS THE ONE THAT ACTUALLY REMOVES THE SALARIES FROM THE CHARTER AND ALLOWS IT TO BE DONE BY ORDINANCE OR RESOLUTION. HOWEVER, BASED ON THE SUGGESTION OF THE VICE MAYOR, WHICH I AGREE WITH, I THINK IT'S CLEANER TO JUST SAY BY ORDINANCE SO THAT DEPENDING ON WHO COUNCIL IS, THERE'S NOT A CONFUSION AS TO WHETHER WE SHOULD DO IT BY ONE OR THE OTHER. THEREFORE, ANY APPROVAL OF THIS WILL BE CONTINGENT ON THAT LANGUAGE CHANGING OR RESOLUTION BEING REMOVED. IF I MAY, WHICH WOULD BE FROM THE TEXT AND THE BALLOT LANGUAGE. OKAY, OKAY. OKAY. SO HOW DO I PHRASE THAT AS PART OF A MOTION TO SAY WITH REMOVING, WITH HAVING THE OPTION TO APPROVE IT JUST BY ORDINANCE? GOT IT, GOT IT, GOT IT. OKAY. SHALL I TRY? YES, IF I MAY, I, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 16 C AN ORDINANCE AMENDING ARTICLE TWO TITLED COUNCIL SECTION 2.51 AND 2.52 OF THE CITY CHARTER PERTAINING TO THE SALARY OF THE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS. THE CITY OF NAPLES, WITH A MODIFICATION THAT. IT WILL BE APPROVED BY. ANY SALARY INCREASE WILL ONLY 
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BE BY ORDINANCE. IT WILL BE APPROVED BY ORDINANCE ONLY. I HAVE A MOTION SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. MADAM CLERK, NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          THERE WERE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          PENNIMAN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. COUNCILMEMBER. SCHULTZ. YES. VICE MAYOR. 
          BLANKENSHIP. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KROLL. YES. AND MAYOR HARTMAN. YES. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. THAT TAKES US TO. OH, YES. ITEM THAT COMPLETES ITEM 16 C GOING TO ITEM 17. PUBLIC COMMENT. MADAM CLERK, DO I HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY, WE'LL GO 
          [18) COMMUNICATIONS FROM MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, AND STAFF]
TO CORRESPONDENCE AND COMMUNICATIONS. MR. SCHULTZ. YEAH. BEATING A DEAD HORSE. I NOTICED THAT THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY HAS COUNTER TAKEN THEIR 164 I THINK, OR TRY TO COME BACK WITH A MEDIATION POTENTIAL OF THEIR OWN, CITING FAA RULES AND REGS AND LAWS COUNTER TO OUR MOVE AGAINST THEM. IS THAT ACCURATE? IT IS ACCURATE TO SAY THE N A HAS INITIATED ITS OWN ONE CHAPTER 164 PROCESS AGAINST THE CITY. OKAY. AND THEY'RE CITING FAA REGULATIONS AND THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. I WOULD SAY A MAJORITY OF WHAT THEY'RE CITING DEAL WITH POTENTIAL PREEMPTIONS AND QUESTIONS CIRCULATED AROUND THE FAA APPROVAL. AND I SAW THAT YOU MADE AN ATTEMPT TO CONJOIN THE TWO INTO THE MEDIATION, THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO INTO PURSUANT TO THE THE ACTIVITIES YOU'RE TRYING TO EFFICIENCIES OF COMBINING THEM BOTH INTO ONE. BASED ON MY CONVERSATION WITH MR. YOUNG, WE. WE THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO TRY TO HANDLE BOTH UNDER ONE CONFLICT RESOLUTION PROCESS. AND DO YOU THINK THAT WILL PREVAIL? THEY HAVE RESPECTFULLY DECLINED. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. SO FOR EVERY ACTION YOU HAVE A COUNTER ACTION AND REACTION EQUAL TO OR GREATER THAN THE ACTION YOU TOOK. THERE ARE AT LEAST FIVE PEOPLE NOW FILED TO RUN FOR THE PUBLICLY POSTED POSITION AS THE LAW STATES. ANY ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE, SINCE WE ARE ALSO ATTEMPTING TO SUE THE SUPERVISOR ELECTION FROM DOING HER JOB, PEOPLE WOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO SUE US FOR VIOLATION OF FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS. NOT BEING ABLE TO PURSUE THE OFFICE, WHICH IS POSTED AS LAW UNTIL IT'S NOT LAW. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE POTENTIALLY A WHOLE LOT OF OFFSHOOTS OF LITIGATION THAT WE HAVE NOT COUNTED ON. WE JUST THINK WE'RE GOING TO GO RIGHT IN THERE AND JUST KNOCK THEM ALL DOWN LIKE BOWLING PINS. AND I'M TELLING YOU THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF COUNTER BLOWBACK THAT WE HAVE NOT ANTICIPATED YET, NOR WILL WE SEE THE END OF IT, GIVEN THE AMOUNT OF RESOURCES FROM THE OTHER SIDE. AND THEY'VE ALREADY TAKEN AN ACTION COUNTER TO WHAT WE DID, AND THEY'RE PURSUING THEIR OWN LEGAL STRATEGY, AS THEY SHOULD, GIVEN WHO THEY ARE. I MEAN, THEY HAVE TO DEFEND THEIR RIGHTS AS WELL. AND AS I SEE, IT LOOKS LIKE THE CITY SORT OF IS SUING ITSELF. SINCE WE APPOINTED THE NAA, AND I BELIEVE AT LEAST ONE MEMBER OF THE APPOINTED BODY OF THE NAA BY THE CITY HAS ALREADY FILED TO RUN AS A CANDIDATE IN THE OPEN ELECTION. THERE. THERE MIGHT BE OTHERS. BUT AS THE BALLOT GETS FILLED UP, UNLESS THIS INJUNCTIVE RELIEF THAT IS SOUGHT BY THE CITY IS PUT INTO PLACE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A JUDGE SAYING YOU CANNOT HOLD AN ELECTION THAT'S PUBLICLY POSTED ACCORDING TO STATE LAW. AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE ONE HECK OF A MESS THAT'S GOING TO COST US A WHOLE LOT MORE MONEY THAN WE'RE EVEN CONTEMPLATING. AND I, I'LL BE THE LITTLE DONNY DOWNER HERE SOMETIMES IS THAT WHEN YOU GET INTO LITIGATION EMOTIONALLY, YOU RUN THE RISK OF MAKING EMOTIONAL DECISIONS, WHICH OFTENTIMES CONTRAVENE THE WHAT YOU REALLY WANTED TO GET DONE. AND I DON'T WANT TO GIVE AWAY LEGAL STRATEGY BECAUSE I'M NOT INVOLVED IN A LEGAL STRATEGY TO THIS POINT IN TIME. BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT THE SUBSTANTIVE THING WE NEED TO DO IS FOCUS ON A RENEGOTIATION OF THE LEASE. I WAS ALSO INFORMED THAT IF WE 
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DON'T LIKE HOW THIS LAW HAS TURNED OUT IN A YEAR, WE CAN GO BACK AND REVISIT IT AND SEE IF WE CAN UNWIND THE WATCH. AND AND THERE MAY BE AMENABLE PEOPLE TO THAT. THERE MAY NOT BE, BUT THIS LITIGATION IS GOING TO COST US FAR, FAR MORE THAN ANYBODY HERE HAS CONTEMPLATED JUST BASED ON WHO IS INVOLVED INSTITUTIONALLY, I BELIEVE THE FAA OWNS ABOUT 60 SOME ACRES ON THE AIRPORT, PROPER LAND. IS THAT ACCURATE? MR. YANG? I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU DON'T KNOW. I'M NOT AWARE OF FAA OWNING ANY PROPERTY AT THE AIRPORT. I I'M AWARE OF OF FAA FUNDS BEING USED BY THE FAA TO PURCHASE 24 ACRES OF COUNTY PROPERTY IN THE EARLY 90S, BUT EVERYTHING ELSE IS OWNED BY CITY OF NAPLES. OKAY. THEN I COULD STAND CORRECTED ON THAT. 
          BUT IF THE FAA GETS INVOLVED IN THIS BECAUSE THEY ARE THE LICENSING AGENCY FOR THE AIRPORT, NO MATTER WHO IS RUNNING IT, THIS COULD GET VERY, VERY DICEY. AND THAT'S AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO KEEP BRINGING THAT UP. AND I PROBABLY BE THE THE ONE TO KEEP DOING THIS BECAUSE I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE MORE FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBLE WITH THE TAXPAYERS MONEY. THANK YOU. 
          KRAMER, IF I COULD JUST RESPOND TO THAT WITH MY COLLEAGUES, BECAUSE WE ARE IN CLOSE THIS THING DOWN. ONE OF THE REASONS WE'RE GETTING INTO LITIGATION IS TO HAVE EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          WE'VE GOT SOME REALLY IMPORTANT STUFF HAPPENING HERE SOON. I WOULD CAUTION US ALL NOT TO TO RESPOND TO THAT OR TO REALLY TALK ABOUT THIS AT THIS TIME. NOW YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT. 
          WE HAVE TO BE A BEST PRACTICE FOR US TO NOT TALK ABOUT THE AIRPORT RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. 
          AND YOUR COMPLETE SCHULTZ OPINION. YOU REMEMBER THAT THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS CAME BEFORE US A COUPLE OF TIMES, ACTUALLY SUGGESTING THAT WE CHANGE THE TIME FOR THE MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS THAT ARE HELD IN FEBRUARY, FEBRUARY AND MARCH TO A DIFFERENT DATE. I JUST WONDER IF WE SHOULD BRING THIS UP FOR DISCUSSION. IT'S NEVER REALLY BEEN DISCUSSED. AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE HAVE, AND I THINK THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN ADDRESS THAT. ACCORDING TO THAT LAST REFERENDUM. YEAH, WE I THOUGHT I MENTIONED IT DURING REPORTS LAST TIME BECAUSE I MISSED, FOR ONE, BECAUSE I HAD A BEAUTIFUL BABY BOY. BUT THE DECISION WAS AFTER SPEAKING WITH THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS, THAT THERE'S NO ELECTION IN 2027, BUT WE COULD ACTUALLY TAKE THIS REFERENDUM IN MARCH OF 28. OKAY. BECAUSE THAT'S THE NEXT TIME THAT THIS ELECTION WOULD WOULD OCCUR. SO WE DIDN'T FORGET ABOUT IT. BUT AT ONE POINT, BASED ALTHOUGH WE DIDN'T KNOW THE CHANGES TODAY WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, WE WERE GOING TO ACTUALLY PRESENT FOR REFERENDUMS IN AUGUST. AND CITY COUNCIL AND CITY CLERK AND CITY ATTORNEY THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS JUST A LITTLE TOO MUCH FOR REFERENDUMS AT ONE TIME. IS, IS, IS A LITTLE MUCH. SO WE DECIDED TO LIMIT IT. BUT FOR THE WOMEN LEAGUE OF VOTERS THAT ARE THAT ARE LISTENING, THE DIRECTION WE GOT FROM COUNCIL WAS TO BRING IT BACK IN MARCH OF 28, AND I'M SURE WE'LL HAVE DISCUSSIONS NEXT YEAR AS WE LEAD UP TO THAT. OKAY. SO MARCH OF 28, CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT REMINDER. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. KRAMER, I HAVE NOTHING. THANK YOU. BARTON. JUST I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION TOMORROW SO I CAN LEARN MORE AND MAKE AN INFORMED AND EDUCATED DECISION MOVING FORWARD. THANK YOU CARL. A FEW THINGS I'D LIKE TO I I'M HAPPY TO SEE COMMISSIONER CALDWELL COME IN TODAY. I WAS REALLY PLEASED TO SEE THAT. AND I THINK MAYBE WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE EVERY COMMISSIONER TO COME AND VISIT US ON A ONE ON ONE. I KNOW OUR DISTRICT COMMISSIONER, BUT JUST TO GET THEM GET A LITTLE TIGHTER FEELING TOGETHER BECAUSE WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER. AND I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO INVITE ALL THE COMMISSIONERS ON THE ONE ON ONE TO COME. I DON'T KNOW HOW PEOPLE FEEL ABOUT THAT. 
          THE OTHER THING, THE PLAYGROUND THING WAS REALLY I DIDN'T REALLY PUT AS MUCH INTO IT WHEN I STARTED LOOKING AT THE AT THE WORK DONE AND WHAT CHAD AND THE EVENTS TEAM PUT TOGETHER IS REALLY SOMETHING SPECIAL EXCEEDED MY EXPECTATIONS. AND NAPLES IS A SPECIAL PLACE, AND I THINK CAMBIA IS A SPECIAL PARK. AND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LIKE A, A A HELL OF A PLAYGROUND THERE. I MEAN, ONE PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST IN THE STATE, BEST I'VE SEEN ANYWAY. 
          SO I WAS HAPPY TO SEE THAT. AND THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THE RESIDENTS ALL SHOULD BE PROUD 
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ABOUT. THE OTHER THING HAS BEEN KICKING AROUND. THERE'S ABOUT 4 OR 5 IDEAS I HAD AS I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE BUDGETING AND SITTING WITH THE CITY MANAGER AND TALKING TO ON, ON A LOT OF MY ONE ON ONES WITH STAFF AND ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, HOW TO GROW THE CITY AND OUR REVENUES BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'M LOOKING AT A FIREHOUSE IS $30 MILLION THIS THAT WE'VE GOT A LOT OF CHALLENGES FINANCIALLY. AND I CAN SEE WHY PROBABLY THE INFRASTRUCTURE GOT KICKED DOWN THE ROAD OVER THE YEARS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE KIND OF REALLY WE'RE, WE'RE OUR NUMBERS ARE MANAGED TIGHT HERE. SO THERE'S A BUNCH OF IDEAS AND ONE, ONE THAT I'D LIKE TO THROW OUT TODAY, AND PROBABLY SOME PEOPLE WILL BE MIXED ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. 
          I THINK THERE ARE PEOPLE IN THESE AREAS THAT ARE BEEN OPEN TO IT THAT HAVE APPROACHED ME, AND THAT'S ANNEXATION. IF YOU LOOK AT AREAS THAT MAKE SENSE FOR ANNEXATION, YOU KNOW, WHERE OUR UTILITY SERVICES ARE, WHERE THEY CAN GET BETTER POLICE COVERAGE, AND IT COULD BE, ALL IN ALL, WIN FOR EVERYBODY. YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING'S ON SEWER IN THE CITY AND SOME OF THESE OTHER AREAS BETWEEN GOODLETTE AND 41 AREN'T IN THE COUNTY. AND IT'S HARD FOR THE COUNTY COPS TO GET OUT NOW. AND SO ANNEXATION IS SOMETHING THAT THAT COULD BRING IN MORE REVENUES AND MAKE IT MAKE IT BETTER FOR EVERYBODY. AND I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT THE MAP AND LOOKING AT THIS THING, AND THE MORE I LOOK AT IT AND STUDY IT AND TALK ABOUT IT AND TALK ABOUT SOME PEOPLE IN THOSE AREAS, BE SURPRISED OF POSITIVE RESPONSE. YOU NEED A 51% MAJORITY AGREEMENT IN THE COMMUNITY TO TO APPROVE THE ANNEXATION. AND I THINK IT COULD BE VERY POSITIVE FOR THE CITY AND MAKE THE MAP LOOK A LOT BETTER THAN CHOPPED UP MESS AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. BUT I WANTED TO THROW IT OUT THERE JUST FOR PEOPLE TO THINK ABOUT THAT, BECAUSE I THINK IF WE DO GET APPROACHED BY A COMMUNITY THAT WANTS TO COME INTO THE CITY, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. SO DO YOU WANT TO GO FURTHER INTO THAT? WHO? WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO GO ALL THE WAY UP TO FROM PINE RIDGE ESTATES DOWN, YOU KNOW. YOU KNOW, I, I, I HAVE SOME FAMILY THAT LIVES IN THAT AREA. THEY'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE AND, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE FRUSTRATED. I MEAN, THE SEWER ALONE IS IMPORTANT. IT'S ALSO THIS IS ALSO IMPORTANT FOR US ON WATER QUALITY ISSUES. THESE SEPTICS BETWEEN GOODLETTE AND 41 ARE VERY OLD. AND I. AND THE ONES I'VE PULLED LIDS OFF OF AND BEEN INVOLVED WITH SEPTIC INSPECTIONS THERE, IT'S IT'S IT'S BAD NEWS. THEY'RE LEAKING, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO INVEST IN THEIR SEPTICS BECAUSE THEY KNOW SEWERS ARE COMING. AND THERE ARE GOOD WAYS TO MAKE THIS WORK. THERE ARE WAYS TO WORK WHERE WE CAN GET THE HOMEOWNER. IF THE HOMEOWNER INVESTS $50,000 IN A SEWER CONNECTION, LET'S SAY, WHICH IS A HIGH NUMBER, AND THEY GET A LOT OF WARNING TO DO IT, THEIR PROPERTY VALUE IS GOING TO PROBABLY MORE THAN DOUBLE. YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE LAKE PARK, THEY GOT SEWER. LOOK WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LOT VALUES THERE. YOU CAN BUILD A TOTALLY DIFFERENT TYPE OF HOUSE. ALL THAT. SO IT'S A IT'S A BIG PLUS BECAUSE THOSE LOTS ARE SMALL. IT'S GOING TO DEFINITELY HELP THE VALUATION OF THOSE LOTS TO GO TO GO. IF THEY ADD SEWER AND WATER. SO SO I THINK IT'S A WIN WIN ALL AROUND FOR WATER QUALITY FOR THE HOMEOWNER, FOR THE CITY TO INCREASE ITS REVENUE BASE. I MEAN, I THINK EVERYBODY WINS. YOU KNOW I JUST THINK IT'S A SMART THING. THE MORE I THINK ABOUT IT. SO FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, SOMEONE WHO RAN IN OH EIGHT AND ANNEXATION WAS A HOT TOPIC AND THE COMMUNITY HAD PITCHFORKS OUT. IF WE WERE GOING TO ANNEX ANY OTHER PROPERTIES. AND AT THAT TIME IT WAS PELICAN BAY AND PELICAN BAY DIDN'T HAVE FINANCIALLY THE. BENEFITS FOR US TO ANNEX THEM IN WITH THEIR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS, THEIR OWN SEPARATE FIRE DISTRICTS. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LONG TIME AGO. THE COMMUNITY MAY HAVE CHANGED THEIR MIND, BUT I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO AS MUCH RESEARCH YOU CAN WITH THE CLERK TO UNDERSTAND THE CONVERSATIONS THAT HAPPENED AND THE FINANCIAL PIECES OF WHY COUNCIL MADE THAT DECISION AT THAT TIME. PELICAN BAY IS MORE COMPLEX. SO YOU HAVE TO YOU YOU'VE GOT OTHER THINGS WORKING THERE. YOU GOT THAT THE COUNTY FIREHOUSE THERE, THAT'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED. NOT THAT THAT COULD BE WORKED OUT AND MADE IT MADE ECONOMICALLY TO ADVANTAGE NEGOTIATED. BUT BUT TO JUST CONCLUDE, I THINK THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT GETTING OTHER REVENUES, WHICH IS A GREAT IDEA. 
          I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO ADDRESS ALSO THE FACT THAT THEY'RE ON SEWER AND YOU WANT TO HELP WITH THE LEACHING THAT HAPPENS. THAT'S IN OUR WATER. WAYS THAT LEACH INTO US. SO I, 
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I APPLAUD YOU FOR THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO DO A LOT OF HOMEWORK ON. 
          BUT THANK YOU. I'M JUST THROWING OUT THERE FOR PEOPLE TO THINK ABOUT IT. YEAH, I I'M SEEING MORE POSITIVES PERSONALLY. AND AS WE GET THROUGH THE NUMBERS, I THINK WE CAN MAKE IT WORK. DEPENDS HOW IT'S STRUCTURED. IT'S GOTTA BE STRUCTURED. RIGHT. BUT I THINK IT'D BE A BENEFIT FOR THE CITY PERSONALLY. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? NOPE. PENNIMAN HAD SOMETHING ON THAT. AND SCHULTZ, MAYBE MR. YOUNG WILL REMEMBER THIS BETTER THAN I DO. SEEMS TO ME WHEN PELICAN BAY WAS ENTERTAINING THE IDEA OF MERGING, I GUESS THERE WAS. I THOUGHT THE LAW INDICATED THAT THEY MUST APPROACH US BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO ANNEX TO US, THAT WE MUST BE APPROACHED, THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING QUIRKY IN THE LAW RELATIVE TO THAT. 
          AND I'LL DEFER TO MR. MCCONNELL, BUT I DIDN'T COME UNTIL 2016, AND THERE'S BEEN NO ANNEXATIONS PROPOSED OR DISCUSSED SINCE I ARRIVED. SO AS FAR AS THE LEGAL PART, I'LL DEFER TO OTHERS, BUT I WASN'T INVOLVED. THANK YOU. I THINK SHE'S RIGHT. THERE IS SOMETHING THERE'S. WHAT I'M SAYING IS I'M WELCOMING, WALKING. ANYBODY WANTS TO CONSIDER IT TO COME TO US. I MEAN, I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. YEAH, AS AN IDEA. SO. OKAY. THANKS. I JUST A PROCEDURAL QUIRK WAS ALL I WAS REFERRING TO. YES. AND THEN WE CAN I CAN RESEARCH IT, BUT THERE'S VOLUNTARY AND INVOLUNTARY. SO, SO SO SO WE CAN ADD. I MEAN, THE INVOLUNTARY ONE REQUIRES A REFERENDUM, OBVIOUSLY, BUT THAT THERE IS A VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION AS WELL, WHICH WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE CITY, I MEAN, PEOPLE LIKE THE COMMENT. I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PDS THAT HAVE BEEN ANNEXED INTO WHICH I'M ASSUMING HAVE BEEN VOLUNTARY. I DON'T KNOW IF THOSE WERE VOTED ON BY REFERENDUM, BUT I MEAN, YOU HAVE A CLERK WITH 100 YEARS OF OF RECORDS THAT COULD BE VERY HELPFUL. IF THIS IS SOMETHING YOU GUYS WANT TO LOOK INTO. YEAH, I'M JUST CONCERNED ABOUT PROCEDURE IF WE DECIDE TO GO THERE. YEAH. SCHULTZ TO FOLLOW UP ON MR. KROLL'S COMMENTS, YOU COULD ACTUALLY ANNEX SIMPLY JUST A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND NOT TAKE ANY RESIDENTIAL AT ALL. IF YOU WANTED TO CONSIDER THAT, THAT WOULD BE A DIFFERENT ANIMAL. AND ANY REVENUE BASE. I WOULD STRONGLY CONSIDER. YEAH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF REALLY BIG CHUNKS ON OUR BORDER THAT WE'RE SERVICING THEM ANYWAY. AND THERE'S A WATER PARK INVOLVED IN ONE AREA, BUT THAT'S A $500 BILLION PROPERTY. AND YOU HAVE THE WATERSIDE SHOPS AND YOU HAVE THE ARTISTS THEATER, WHICH IS MORE ARTS. AND THEN THAT QUARTER OF A THAT'D BE THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THAT PARCEL RECENTLY SOLD FOR $250 MILLION. 
          MARCELLINUS YOU HAVE THE DAVIS TRIANGLE JUST. THIS IS ALL COMMERCIAL. YOU DON'T HAVE TO MESS WITH THE PUBLIC, PER SE. AND THAT'S A LOT OF OVER $1 BILLION IN IN LAND VALUE THAT'S RIGHT THERE. AND WE DIDN'T ASK FOR IT TO BE THERE. BUT SINCE THEY PUT IT THERE, YOU KNOW, WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT AND PUSH BACK AND PUSH THE GROWTH OUT INSTEAD OF LETTING IT CONTINUE TO ENCROACH MORE AND MORE ON US WITHOUT EVEN GETTING INTO RESIDENTIAL'S ASKING PEOPLE TO TO JOIN THE CITY OR NOT COMMERCIALLY. AND I WOULD ASK, YOU KNOW, MR. MCCONNELL TO DO THE RESEARCH ON THAT. SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GET IN A MUCK MUCK WITH PELICAN BAY. I UNDERSTAND THE FIGHTS FROM BACK THEN. I WAS MADE AWARE OF THOSE THINGS. SO TO TAKE RESIDENTIAL WOULD BE MORE PROBLEMATIC IN SOME RESPECTS. BUT TO TAKE THE COMMERCIAL WOULD NOT BE THAT BIG OF A DEAL EXCEPT TO US. AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I DO WANT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE CITY ATTORNEY AND GIVING HIM ANOTHER TEST UNTIL WE GET DOWN TO A FEW LESS TASKS ON HIS PLATE. SO. BUT WITH THAT BLANKENSHIP, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S A WORTHWHILE DISCUSSION. 
          MAYBE IN THE FALL, YOU KNOW, A WORKSHOP TYPE DISCUSSION JUST TO UNDERSTAND THE PROS AND CONS AND WHAT THE PROCESS IS. I HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THE COMMERCIAL ANNEXATION POTENTIAL BEFORE. I THERE'S WITH IT BEING A VOLUNTARY PROCESS, SOMEONE WHO OWNS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING MAY FEEL LIKE THE REDEVELOPMENT OPPORTUNITIES ARE GREATER UNDER COUNTY APPROVAL PROCESSES THAN IN THE CITY. SO THAT COULD BE A DRAWBACK TO THEM WANTING TO COME INTO THE CITY, EVEN THOUGH 
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WE HAVE LOWER PROPERTY TAXES AND THEY WOULD HAVE LOWER UTILITY COSTS, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT LONG TERM. I'M NOT SAYING WE SHOULDN'T. I'M JUST THEY COULD ALSO SEE THE PROPERTY, THE PROPER PROPERTY, EXCUSE ME, GO UP IN VALUE IF IT HAS A ZIP CODE. YEAH, YEAH. I'M SAYING WE WE SHOULD DISCUSS IT. BUT IT'S YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT TO IT, SO THANK YOU. I LIKE YOUR THAT YOU'RE THINKING SO WITH THAT, MR. MCCONNELL, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? YEAH. I ACTUALLY DO HAVE ONE THING THAT STEMMED FROM THE CODE ENFORCEMENT HEARING THAT WE HAD. 
          WERE YOU DONE, VICE MAYOR? NO, I DIDN'T GO TO THE VICE MAYOR. GO AHEAD. OH, SORRY. THAT STEMMED FROM THE CODE ENFORCEMENT HEARING THAT WE HAD ON APRIL 23RD, I BELIEVE. SO I THE CITY ATTORNEY SITS AS THE ATTORNEY THAT REPRESENTS THE CITY CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT, AND THEN THE BOARD ITSELF HAS THEIR OWN SEPARATE ATTORNEY, BECAUSE PURSUANT TO STATUTE, I CAN'T REPRESENT BOTH FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. RIGHT. SO HE'S PUTTING ON THE CASE, AND THEN THE BOARD IS THE DECISION MAKERS. THAT WOULD CLEARLY BE A CONFLICT. SO THE CODE BOARD ATTORNEY IS OF THE OPINION THAT REMOTE ATTENDANCE IS OKAY, AND YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO HAVE A QUORUM OF BOARD MEMBERS PRESENT DURING THE MEETING. OUR RULES CLEARLY SAY THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT, AND THEN PEOPLE CAN APPEAR VIA ZOOM. SO NO MATTER WHAT, FOR A SEVEN MEMBER BOARD, YOU NEED FOUR PEOPLE HERE AND THEN THREE PEOPLE CAN APPEAR VIA ZOOM. THE REASON THIS CAME UP IS BECAUSE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT MEETINGS FOR MAY, JUNE AND JULY, POTENTIALLY AUGUST, ARE UP IN THE AIR RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE ARE SHORT. WE JUST LOST MEMBER MAYOR. WE'VE BEEN HAVING A TOUGH TIME FILLING THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD. I THINK LAST MEETING, WE ONLY HAD FIVE PEOPLE THERE, AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE TRAVELING THROUGH THE SUMMER. SO THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO ALLOW THIS BOARD TO DO SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS ALREADY APPROVED THAT THEY CAN'T DO? THAT'S NUMBER ONE, WHICH. IF YOU'RE GOING TO ASK MY OPINION, WHICH I'M ASSUMING YOU'RE GOING TO, I I'M INDIFFERENT ABOUT THIS QUORUM. I MEAN, DURING COVID, THERE WAS A LOT OF OPINIONS AND EGOS. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, AN ATTORNEY GENERAL OPINION IS, IS LITERALLY JUST AN OPINION FROM ANOTHER ATTORNEY. BUT ME AND OUR FIRM HAVE CONSISTENTLY SAID QUORUM PRESENT EVERYONE ELSE VIRTUAL IS OKAY, BECAUSE IF NOT, THEN YOU'RE HAVING ONE PERSON IN CHAMBERS AND YOU HAVE FOUR PEOPLE ONLINE. IT JUST BECOMES VERY DIFFICULT, ESPECIALLY WITH OUR TECHNOLOGY. SO IF THAT'S THE CASE HERE, THEN WE HAVE AN ISSUE. WE HAVE FOUR MONTHS HERE WITH NO QUORUM AND CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES THAT WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN DOING A GOOD JOB AS A CITY, ENFORCING OUR CODE, GAINING COMPLIANCE, ETC. AND COUNCIL MEMBER KROLL, YOU KNOW THAT BEST OUT OF ANYONE. SO MY THOUGHT PROCESS IS BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE THE SUMMER IS GOING TO BE AN ISSUE THAT WE PROBABLY DEAL WITH REGULARLY, IS IF THE DECISION IS TO NOT ALLOW THE QUORUM TO NOT BE PRESENT AND VIRTUAL, THEN I, I THINK WE ALSO AS A BACKUP PLAN, BECAUSE THE CODE ALLOWS FOR IT, WE NEED TO. ADVERTISE FOR A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE THAT IF WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM, CAN TAKE THE PLACE OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD AND AT LEAST ENSURE THAT WE HAVE A HEARING, NOT SAYING IT'S A FULL REPLACEMENT, BUT OUR SOMEONE ALREADY DRAFTED THE CODE TO ALLOW FOR THIS. SO I KNOW IT'S KIND OF A LOT AT THE END AND WE CAN. BUT THE MAIN MEETING IS IN JEOPARDY. SO IS JUNE AND JULY, AND I NEED DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL TO BE ABLE TO ADVISE CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT ON WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN ADVERTISE A MEETING IN MAY, NUMBER ONE. AND THEN NUMBER TWO, SHOULD WE ENTERTAIN THIS BACKUP PLAN IN CASE WE DON'T HAVE A QUORUM? AT LEAST WE CAN CONTINUE THE MEETINGS. SO I KNOW IT'S KIND OF A LOT, BUT NO, I THINK IT'S A LEGITIMATE AND CONCERN. HOWEVER, AS WE WERE DISCUSSING HOW WE APPOINTED OR HOW WE REACH OUT TO GET BOARD MEMBERS IN GENERAL, AND I DON'T I WAS WASN'T CLEAR ON HOW WE ACTUALLY DO THE OUTREACH TO LET POSITIONS KNOW OR LET THE COMMUNITY KNOW THAT THERE ARE POSITIONS AVAILABLE. AND I THINK WE NEED TO WORK ON THAT PROCESS. THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEAR FIRST, JUST HAVING IT ON THE CLERK'S WEBSITE, WHICH IS GREAT. I'M GLAD SHE HAS IT THERE, BUT I'M NOT SURE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO THAT WEBSITE TO LOOK TO BE A VOLUNTEER. AND I KNOW WE DO IT. THERE'S ALSO A BLURB THAT'S IN 
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OUR CITY CONNECT, BUT I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER AT AT LETTING THE COMMUNITY KNOW THAT WE'RE IN NEED OF VOLUNTEER BOARDS, ESPECIALLY WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT. I UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION YOU'RE IN NOW, AND IT'S CONCERNING. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CASES YOU HAVE AND WHAT WHAT THAT DELAY WOULD BE. AND YES, WE DID TALK ABOUT DOING A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE A LONG TIME AGO, BUT THE COUNTY HAS A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. AND, YOU KNOW, THIS COUNCIL CAN DECIDE HOW THEY WANT TO HANDLE IT. BUT HAVING A SPECIAL MAGISTRATE IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN HAVING A BOARD. SO WITH THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN FIGURE THAT OUT TONIGHT. YES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER, I THINK THE FIRST THINGS FIRST WOULD BE WE HAVE TO DETERMINE THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE IS OKAY. AND SO FOR ME, MY PART. YES. AS FAR AS THE OTHER THING THAT WE DO, I HAVE TO THROW OUT THERE IS THAT THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL IS AWARE, MADE AWARE OF ALL THE. 
          TO GET TO THEIR HOMES, OF ALL THE BOARDS, AVAILABILITIES AND NEEDS THAT WE HAVE, CAN WE DO BETTER OUTREACH? HOPE MAYBE. NONETHELESS, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE FIRST THING WE SHOULD DEAL WITH RIGHT NOW. I THINK WE SHOULD DEAL WITH THE FACT THIS NEEDS TO. WE NEED TO HAVE OUR MEETING IN MAY, AND WE DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED THE MAGISTRATE, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD OPEN THE DOOR TO ALLOW IT IN THE EVENT THAT WE DO. THAT'S MY OPINION. SO, MAYOR, LET ME CLARIFY, BECAUSE THE FIRST QUESTION IS, DOES COUNCIL WANT TO ALLOW THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD BASED ON THE ADVICE THAT THEY RECEIVED FROM THEIR CODE BOARD ATTORNEY, TO DO SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL, IN ITS RULE SAYS CAN'T HAPPEN, WHICH IS ALLOW A MAJORITY OF MEMBERS TO APPEAR VIRTUALLY AND NOT A QUORUM IN PRESENT. THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION. THANK YOU. 
          AND AND WITH THAT, THAT WAS A COUNCIL DECISION THAT CAN BE CHANGED WHILE WE HAVE TIME ON COUNCIL. THAT CHANGE COULD BE MADE AND BROUGHT TO US. SO CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD IS PER STATUTE. COUNCIL DOESN'T APPROVE RULES FOR THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD. CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD IS YOUR ONLY BOARD THAT GETS TO APPROVE THEIR OWN RULES BECAUSE THEY ARE DEVELOPED PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 162. OKAY. HOWEVER, AS A CITY POLICY, WHICH CITY COUNCIL DOES YOUR POLICY IS WHICH HAS TRICKLED DOWN TO YOUR BOARDS LIKE P, A, B, AND ALL QUORUM HAS TO BE PRESENT. THE REQUEST FROM THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD AND I TOLD THEM I'D BRING IT TO YOU, IS WILL YOU ALLOW THEM TO NOT HAVE A QUORUM PRESENT AND HAVE A MAJORITY OF PEOPLE VIRTUALLY? THANK YOU. THAT'S A FIRST STEP. I'D SAY YES. I'D SAY NO. I THINK IT'S A REALLY SLIPPERY SLOPE WHEN IT'S THE STANDARD WE'VE HELD. AND I, I DON'T I WOULD HATE TO CHANGE THAT RIGHT HERE IN THIS MOMENT. KRAMER I MEAN, PARDON. DIFFICULT. IT SOUNDS LIKE A CHANGE NEEDS TO BE MADE, BUT I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THAT CHANGE. 
          SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO SAY NO, I THINK. HOW I FEEL ABOUT I, I WOULDN'T BE FOR THE SPECIAL MAGISTRATE. I, I THINK WE COULD FILL THE SEATS. WE HAD AN OUTFLOW HAPPEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN I GOT OFF AND SOME OTHER, ANOTHER ONE RAN FOR PLANNING BOARD. AND SO IT WAS A BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT DID OUTFLOW OUT. I THINK WE COULD FILL THOSE SEATS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PROPER SOME PHONE CALLS, YOU KNOW. SO. I'LL HELP IN THAT PROCESS WHAT I CAN ON MY END. BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD DEFER THIS TO THE NEXT MEETING. AND SO AND TRY AND TRY TO GET, GET THE SEATS FILLED. OKAY. AND ALTERNATES BACK. I'D LIKE. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. WELL, MY SUGGESTION IS JUST TO APPROVE IT FOR THE SUMMER. IT'S KIND OF AN EMERGENCY SITUATION THAT THEY CAN DO THIS MAY THROUGH AUGUST. AND MEANWHILE, WE TRY TO FILL THE SEATS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM GOING FORWARD. YEAH, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. THAT WOULD BE AN ACCEPTABLE ALTERNATIVE FOR ME AS WELL. JUST FOR THE SUMMER TO TO APPEAR BY ZOOM. THANK YOU FOR A QUORUM. IS THAT CORRECT? MR. MCCONNELL? THAT WAS THAT WAS THEIR REQUEST. YEAH. SCHULTZ. IS THAT DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION? OKAY. SO AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT BECAUSE I YOU ALL CAN MAKE THIS DECISION. THAT'S WHY I TOLD THEM I'D BRING IT TO YOU. BUT I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT ANY APPEALS ARE HANDLED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. AND I DON'T WANT TO SWAY YOUR MIND. I THINK WE DO NEED TO TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS. BUT IF SOMEONE APPEALS THIS BASED ON THE FACT THAT THERE WAS NOT A QUORUM PRESENT, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW I FEEL LEGALLY ABOUT THAT. BUT 
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I'M OKAY WITH I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT SUPER TRANSPARENT BECAUSE THEN IF I'M HANDLING AN APPEAL ON THIS, I JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO UNDERSTAND THAT MY FEELING ON THIS IS KIND OF INDIFFERENT BECAUSE THERE'S NO CASE LAW ON THE QUORUM QUESTION. ALL WE HAVE IS AGO OPINIONS. MY POSITION HAS BEEN QUORUM PRESIDENT. THEIR BOARD ATTORNEY IS DIFFERENT, WHICH EVERY ATTORNEY HAS A DIFFERENT OPINION. SO I WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. BUT I WILL NOTIFY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT THAT THEY CAN ADVERTISE THE HEARING. AND FOR SUMMER, SO MAY, JUNE AND JULY. COUNCIL HAS ALLOWED THEM TO APPEAR VIRTUALLY IN ORDER TO TAKE CARE OF CITY BUSINESS, EVEN IF THERE'S NOT A QUORUM PRESENT. AUGUST. WHERE'S AUGUST? BECAUSE WE DON'T COME BACK TILL AUGUST. UNTIL AUGUST. OH, YEAH. I'M SORRY. WHATEVER. I JUST FIGURED THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD MEETING IS AFTER. BUT YEAH, WHATEVER. WHATEVER SUMMER IS THIS SUMMER TO ME. THAT'S MY NEXT QUESTION. THEN HOW QUICKLY CAN WE APPOINT ANYBODY? IF TALK COMES UP WITH SOME GREAT CANDIDATES, SHOW UP. YOU HAVE THREE COUNCIL MEETINGS AND AND TWO WORKSHOPS. YOU NORMALLY INTERVIEW AT A WORKSHOP AND YOU APPROVE AT A COUNCIL MEETING. 
          SO YOU HAVE FIVE OPPORTUNITIES. OKAY, GREAT. GOOD MATH. OKAY. NOTHING FURTHER. I WILL THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. YOUNG. NO, I, I SKIPPED OVER THE VICE MAYOR, BUT I WAS JUST GOING TO KEEP GOING. VICE MAYOR, DID YOU WANT TO GO? YEAH I CAN. JUST HAVE A FEW THINGS. SO ONE OF THEM IS FOR MR. YOUNG. WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE TRUCK ROUTES AND THE MIRACLE MILE AREA THAT THEY APPEAR TO STILL BE GOING IN AND OUT ON MOORING LINE DRIVE. AND I CONTINUE TO GET COMPLAINTS OR QUESTIONS FROM RESIDENTS ABOUT, CAN'T WE HAVE ONE DIRECTION GO SOMEWHERE ELSE, EITHER THE IN OR THE OUT THROUGH ANOTHER ROAD. SO I KNOW YOU ARE LOOKING AT THAT. IS THERE ANY UPDATE WE CAN SHARE WITH THE PUBLIC? DO THE MONITORING. WE'VE GOT THAT PART. 
          I HAVEN'T CIRCLED BACK WITH ALLISON YET, BUT I WILL. I'LL DO THAT IN THE NEXT 48 HOURS. 
          OKAY, GREAT. ON THE MIRACLE MILE I MET YESTERDAY, AL FOX IS THE NEW VICE PRESIDENT OF THE GULF SHORE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION, AND HE'S GOING TO BE THE POINT PERSON FOR THE MIRACLE MILE GROUP. AND HE IS ASKING, DO WE, THE CITY, HAVE A POINT PERSON THAT HE CAN WORK WITH? SINCE, YOU KNOW, IT INVOLVES SO MANY DEPARTMENTS. IT'S UTILITIES, IT'S STREETS, IT'S PLANNING. SURE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY PARTICULAR PERSON HE CAN CONNECT WITH. 
          WELL, THE FIRST ONE I WOULD BE WITH IS ME FOR FOR A COUPLE REASONS. WE'VE GOTTEN I'VE GOTTEN SNIPPETS OF WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. AND ACTUALLY IN THE FALL, THE INTENT IS TO COME BACK BECAUSE THERE'S NEW MEMBERS OF COUNCIL BECAUSE REMEMBER, YOU DID A CONCEPTUAL DESIGN, BUT THEN NO FURTHER DISCUSSION HAS OCCURRED ON IT. IT KIND OF TOOK A BACK SEAT TO A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT WERE RELATED TO HURRICANES AND OTHER THINGS. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO YOU CAN JUST SHARE MY INFORMATION WITH THEM AND THEN WE'LL MEET OVER THE SUMMER AND, BUT, BUT IT IS THE INTENT TO COME BACK IN THE FALL, TO HAVE A, TO, TO KIND OF REKINDLE THAT DISCUSSION AND SEE WHERE WE LEFT OFF AT. OKAY, AWESOME. I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO PUT ANOTHER MEETING ON YOUR PLATE. WELL, I NEED TO GET BROUGHT UP TO SPEED ON IT ANYWAY, SO IT BECOMES A GOOD MEETING FOR THAT TO OCCUR. SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE GOOD PART ABOUT THAT. OKAY. AND THEN UNFORTUNATELY, ANOTHER THING FOR YOU, THE COUNCIL PRIORITIES, YOU KNOW, WE WENT THROUGH THAT, THAT WORKSHEET AND WE WERE GOING TO, I THINK HAVE A RANKING PROCESS. WE'LL WE'LL GET THAT OUT. YEAH. AND THE MAIN REASON I HAVEN'T IS BECAUSE THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MEETINGS FOR US TO DEVIATE BEFORE THE BREAK. OKAY. AND SO IT WASN'T JUST YOU'VE SEEN THAT EVEN TODAY'S AGENDA WE'RE TRYING TO GET. PLUS WE KNEW WHAT WAS COMING THAT WE'RE ALREADY DEALING WITH WITH SPECIAL MEETINGS AND OTHER THINGS. AND SO WE KIND OF HOLDING OUR WATER TO SAY, YEAH, I COULD THROW SAY, LET'S PRIORITIZE THEM, BUT I'M NOT GETTING THEM ON BEFORE JUNE ANYWAY. SO, SO WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL SEND THAT OUT TO YOU IN THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, 30 DAYS OR SO. BUT KNOWING THAT WE WILL REPRIORITIZE THEM ON THE SCHEDULE PROSPECTIVELY. SO, OKAY. NEXT THING, I WANTED TO REALLY APPLAUD AND THANK THE SEAGATE GSAC AND PARK SHORE NEIGHBORHOODS FOR GETTING INVOLVED WITH THIS WATER PARK AT THE NAPLES GRAND. AND COUNCILMAN SCHULTZ HAS BEEN INVOLVED WITH THAT. I THINK IT'S GREAT HOW THEY GOT INVOLVED, GOT MOTIVATED, WORKED WITH THE PELICAN BAY NEIGHBORS ON THAT ISSUE. AND IT'S THEY SEEM TO BE GETTING A AT LEAST A RESPONSE. IT MAY NOT BE A 
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POSITIVE RESPONSE YET, BUT HOPEFULLY IT WILL BE ONCE IT'S ALL CONCLUDED. I HAD HEARD A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT VERIZON CELL SERVICE, PARTICULARLY ALONG THE MIRACLE MILE AND THE MOORINGS NEIGHBORHOOD. SO ALLISON BICKETT AND I MET WITH A TEAM OF, I THINK IT WAS LIKE FIVE VERIZON PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT AREAS. IT'S A BIG COMPANY, AND YOU CAN TELL BY THE WAY THEY OPERATE A DIFFERENT PERSON FOR EVERY ANGLE, EVERY ASPECT. SO THEY GAVE US AN UPDATE. I JUST WANTED TO SHARE IT WITH WITH YOU ALL AND WITH, WITH THE PUBLIC. THEY SAID THERE ARE FOUR SMALL CELL TOWERS THAT THEY'VE PLANNED FOR GULF SHORE BOULEVARD NORTH, AND THAT MIRACLE MILE AREA THAT FOUR HAVE BEEN APPLIED FOR AND APPROVED. THREE OF THE FOUR POLES ARE ACTUALLY INSTALLED. NOW, THERE'S ONE MORE TO GO THAT SHOULD BE EARLY SUMMER. AND THEY THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF INSTALLING THE CABLING, THE FIBER THAT ACTUALLY RUNS FROM CONNECTS THEIR NETWORK TO THE POLES. AND THEN THERE'S. SO THAT'S TWO SUBCONTRACTORS, ONE SUBCONTRACTOR FOR THE POLES, ANOTHER SUBCONTRACTOR FOR THE FIBER, AND A THIRD SUBCONTRACTOR WHO ACTUALLY CONNECTS IT ALL TOGETHER WITH THE EQUIPMENT AND THE HUBS AT AT THE POLE. BUT THEY'RE EXPECTING TO HAVE THAT SECTION OF GULF SHORE BOULEVARD LIVE BY MID-JULY. SO HOPEFULLY THAT HAPPENS. IT WAS A SAFETY ISSUE OR CONCERN ANYWAY FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE. THEY'VE GIVEN UP THEIR LANDLINES AND THEY LIVE IN HIGH RISES. AND IF THEY HAVE AN ISSUE WHERE THEY NEED TO CALL 911 OR CALL A NEIGHBOR, CALL A FAMILY MEMBER, AND THE CALLS AREN'T GOING THROUGH. SO THEY ARE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR SAFETY, THEIR AND WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE REST OF NAPLES, AND THEY SAID, THAT'S IN PROCESS, BUT THEY HAVE A LIMITED BUDGET. THEY'VE GOT TO SPREAD ACROSS THE WHOLE STATE. EVERYBODY WANTS BETTER SERVICE, BUT WE OBVIOUSLY EMPHASIZED PUTTING NAPLES NEAR THE TOP OF THE LIST IF POSSIBLE. SO WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. SO I'VE SEEN EMAILS AND THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THE PAPER ABOUT NCH REQUESTING EXPANDED CONSTRUCTION HOURS FOR THE SUMMER. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO COME TO US, OR IS THAT JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU WILL YOU GUYS WILL HANDLE? YEAH, WE WOULD HANDLE THEY HAD A PUBLIC OUTREACH, OF WHICH ME, MR. BECKMAN, I THINK 1 OR 2 MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WAS THERE AS WELL. BUT BUT THE POINT OF IT WAS THEY WERE THEY ASKED FOR SEVERAL THINGS OR PROPOSED ASKING SEVERAL THINGS. ONE INCLUDED EARLY MORNING CEMENT POURS, STEEL WORK AND THE LIKE. THEY. THEY IMMEDIATELY RECEIVED SOME RESISTANCE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD WILL. A LARGE AMOUNT OF RESISTANCE ON THE CONCRETE POURS, BUT THE STEEL. 
          THEY. THEY WERE SOMEWHAT OPEN TO. AND THE RESIDENTS. SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, AS YOU KNOW, MR. BECKMAN CAN APPROVE CERTAIN THINGS FOR CERTAIN DURATIONS OF TIME. THEY HAVE TO MAKE CONTINUAL APPLICATION. THEY WENT ABOUT IT FROM A PUBLIC FROM A PUBLIC RELATIONS STANDPOINT, TO SAY, WE WANT THE COMMUNITY TO BUY IN BECAUSE IF YOU DO, IT MAKES, YOU KNOW, MAKES IT A LOT EASIER. AND QUITE FRANKLY, WHEN THEY HAD MET WITH ME AND TALKED ABOUT IT, I SAID, WELL, AGAIN, YOU'RE IF YOU GET PUBLIC BUY IN, THAT GOES ALONG, YOU KNOW, A LOT FARTHER THAN IF YOU JUST ONE OFF IT. AND THEN WE'RE TRYING TO DO THIS. SO, SO WE ATTENDED THOSE ITEMS. AS OF RIGHT NOW, IT'S BEING NAVIGATED BY THE INDIVIDUAL REQUESTS. THEY ARE LAST AS THEIR STATEMENT THAT DAY WAS, IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE THE THE CONCRETE POURS SHOULD BE DONE, WE, WE WILL MODIFY OUR PLAN. THAT'S WHERE IT RESIDES PRESENTLY. SO NONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE ASKING FOR SO FAR. NOW, THERE WAS ONE ITEM THAT COULD POTENTIALLY COME BACK TO COUNCIL, BUT CHRISTIAN ANDREA, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE GOING TO REAPPLY OR NOT, BUT THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT NOT LIKING THE TWO SIDEWALKS THAT PAB, I THINK IT WAS P A, B OR D OR B REQUIRED RECOMMENDED THEY PUT IN BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE STANDARD SIDEWALK. 
          AND THEN THEY HAD THE MEANDERING ONE THAT WENT THROUGH THE PARK LIKE AREA. AND THE CONTENTION THERE WAS, IS THAT NOT EVERYBODY WANTS TO TAKE THE SCENIC ROUTE. SOME PEOPLE STILL WANT TO DO IT. AND THAT WAS WHAT THE RECOMMENDATION CAME OUT OF THE COMMITTEE AND CAME BEFORE COUNCIL. SO THAT WAS KIND OF A LITTLE BIT ELSE OF A TOPIC THAT THEY MAY TRY TO APPLY TO SAY, CAN WE HAVE IT RECONSIDERED AND DO ONE SIDEWALK? I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CASE YET. SO I GUESS IN SHORT, THERE'S NO GUARANTEE ANYTHING IS GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU. IF IT WAS A LONGER PERIOD OF TIME, WE WOULD CERTAINLY LET YOU KNOW. BUT AS WE ALSO DO, WE TRY TO DO WHEN WE WE EXTEND OURS, WE TRY TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW IN ADVANCE ANYWAY. SO WE'LL CONTINUE TO MONITOR THAT. BUT RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO LONG 
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STANDING. CAN WE DO IT FOR THE NEXT PERIOD OF TIME? AND AGAIN, THEY SEEDED THE CEMENT ONE THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE ASKING FOR THAT. AND UNLESS THEY REKINDLE THAT REQUEST, I THINK THAT'S A MOOT POINT AT THIS POINT. OKAY. THANKS. IN THE GOLD STAR FAMILIES MEMORIAL REQUEST, I THINK WE'VE ALL MAYBE HAVE GOTTEN OR WILL GET COPIES OF THAT. IT WAS INTERESTING. IT JUST JUST COINCIDENTALLY, I SAW THIS SAME MEMORIAL IN TAMPA A FEW DAYS AGO AT THEIR VETERANS MEMORIAL MUSEUM, AND IT WAS REALLY WELL DONE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S COMING. COME BACK. JUST LIKE IF YOU ARE ABLE TO FIND A GOOD SPOT FOR IT IN CAMBIER PARK WHERE THEY'VE REQUESTED, IT COULD BE A REALLY GOOD THING. YEAH. AND JUST SHOW THE COURSE THAT AS LONG AS THE UNLESS I WAS DIRECTED OTHERWISE THE COURSE WOULD BE THEY SUBMITTED IT. IF COUNCIL WANTS US TO TO INITIATE THE PROCESS, WE WOULD TAKE IT FIRST, WALK THROUGH WITH THEM. WHERE IS THE LOCATION? WHERE ARE WE TRYING TO GET IT? BECAUSE WE HAVE THE DIMENSIONS AND SOME OTHER THINGS WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT EXACT LOCATION AS A REQUIREMENT. IT WOULD GO TO C, S, A, B FOR THEIR RECOMMENDATION BECAUSE THE PLACING OF ANY ART IN A PUBLIC PARK WOULD WOULD DO THAT, AND THEN IT WOULD COME BACK. THE NICE THING I HEARD ABOUT HER REQUEST WHEN SHE CAME TODAY, IT WAS AT LEAST SHE SAID BY NEXT APRIL WE'D BE DOING THAT. SO. SO WE HAVE SOME TIME. AND IN FAIRNESS, I THINK THEY REACHED OUT A WHILE AGO AND AND THE MAYOR HAD GIVEN ME THE FOLDER AND I SOMEHOW CORRELATED WITH THE CELEBRATE 250 EVENTS AND NOT WHAT IT WAS. AND SO WHEN WE REALIZED THAT AND THAT WAS, I THINK MAYBE LIKE SIX WEEKS AGO, ME AND THE MAYOR TALKED ABOUT IT. THAT'S WHEN THEY SENT A LETTER AND THE OTHER AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. SO THERE IS A PROCESS BY WHICH WE'LL DO THAT, AND WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. OKAY, AWESOME. AND THE LAST THING I HAD ON MY LIST WAS THE EMAIL WE GOT ABOUT THE POTENTIAL OLYMPIC TORCH RELAY. IS THAT ON MAY 28TH? SO YEAH, SO, SO I WAS GOING TO BRING THAT UP IF SOMEONE ELSE DIDN'T, WE SENT THAT OUT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAD OR THE WEBINAR TO JUST TO GATHER SOME FACTS ABOUT IT. AND I REALLY, BECAUSE WE WOULD BE THEN FINDING OUT MORE SPECIFICS THAT WOULD ACTUALLY, IF WE'RE GOING TO SERVE AS A SITE ALONG THAT ROUTE. AND YOU KNOW, THAT NOT JUST TO PASS THROUGH, BUT AN ASSEMBLY, ANYONE WHO WENT TO WATCH THE WEBINAR WOULD HAVE, WOULD HAVE SEEN THAT. BUT I JUST WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT DIRECTION BECAUSE THEN I WILL COME BACK TO YOU ONCE I GATHER ALL OF THE INFORMATION, DO IT AT A WORKSHOP AND SAY, YES, DO WE WANT TO PASS THIS, DO THIS OR NOT? I JUST NEEDED TO GAUGE INITIAL INTEREST BASED ON THE WEBINAR AND DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE ONLY, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK INTO IT IF THEY WANTED TO. SO YEAH, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY I DIDN'T GET TO WATCH THE WEBINAR TO KNOW WHAT WHAT'S INVOLVED. BUT INITIALLY, FROM WHAT I READ, WHAT THEY SENT, IT SOUNDED REALLY COOL. LIKE IT'D BE A GREAT EXPERIENCE. YEAH. THE BASIC GIST OF IT IS THEY CAN, WE WOULD BE IN A LOCATION BY WHICH THAT THEY WOULD OVERNIGHT. OSTENSIBLY THEY BRING IN 3 OR 400 PEOPLE. SO THEN THEY WOULD WHEN THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD STAY HERE. IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MAYBE I THINK THEY SAID THERE'S 62 CITIES ACROSS THE STATE OR ACROSS THE COUNTRY THAT THEY WOULD BE DOING THIS IN. AND I DON'T IT'S, YOU KNOW, HOW SOMETHING'S AT THE TIP OF YOUR TONGUE, BUT WHAT THEY CALLED IT. BUT BASICALLY THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD BE COMING IN AND THEN TRAVELING WITH THE TORCH, THEY'D BE STAYING, THEY'D HAVE A DAY HERE AND THEY'D HAVE A LITTLE CEREMONIAL EVENT, AND THEN THEY WOULD BE ON THEIR WAY TO CONTINUE THE TOUR. SO THAT'S NOT A COST. IT'S NOT A COST ISSUE. AND THAT WE'RE NOT HOUSING THE PEOPLE THAT COME WITH IT. BUT YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE CAPACITY, WHICH OBVIOUSLY, WHETHER IT'S CITY OR COUNTY, WE HAVE CAPACITY. SO I GUESS IF THE INITIAL THOUGHT IS, YEAH, LET'S EXPLORE IT. THAT'S ALL I WAS LOOKING FOR OUT OF DISSEMINATING THE WEBINAR SO THAT EVERYONE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY SHOULD THEY WISH TO PRIOR TO, TO SAYING, YEAH, LET'S AT LEAST EXPLORE IT AND SEE IF IT'S SOMETHING WE WANT TO DO. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON THAT I SENT THAT OUT. 
          BUT IF THE CONSENSUS IS, YEAH, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING YOU WANT ME TO EXPLORE. I WOULD REPORT BACK TO YOU IN A COUPLE WEEKS BECAUSE THEY'RE ANXIOUS TO GET THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, INCLUDING WHAT ALL THAT WOULD ENTAIL AND EVERYTHING ELSE IN A WRITTEN FORM TO US. YEAH, I WOULD LOVE TO EXPLORE IT, MAYOR, IF WE HAVE A CONSENSUS, I, IF I COULD GET A CONSENSUS, YES, SURE. IF I NEED REPLACEMENT. SO I'LL BE ON MY CRUTCHES. IT'S PARALYMPICS TWO. YEAH. GREAT. 
          YES YES YES YES. OKAY. SO WE'LL, WE'LL TAKE CARE OF THAT AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE LONG LIST. NO NO NO IT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. I WANT TO SAY THANKS REALLY FOR THE GOING TO VERIZON BECAUSE THAT COORDINATION THANK YOU FOR PICKING THAT BALL UP BECAUSE I 
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DIDN'T REALIZE THEY WERE HAVING THOSE ISSUES AND THAT WE'RE GOING INTO HURRICANE SEASON. 
          AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU ADDRESSING THAT. SO. BUT JUST BECAUSE WE CAN'T TALK OUTSIDE OF HERE, YOU KNOW, THEY SAID THEY WERE PUTTING IN THE FIBER DOWN SOUTH THAT WOULD HELP THE CONNECTION WITH THE CELL PHONES. AND THAT IS NOT EXACTLY QUITE TRUE. SO YEAH, I THINK IT'S THE COORDINATION OF THE THREE DIFFERENT SUBCONTRACTORS. THAT SEEMS TO BE THE CHALLENGE. 
          GETTING IT ALL DONE. THE COMPANY THAT DOES THE TOWER SO YOU CAN DRIVE AROUND AND SEE THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF TOWERS UP THERE, JUST NOT LIVE. THEY'RE NOT CONNECTED YET. OKAY. 
          WELL THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG. TWO ITEMS. FIRST ONE JOINT MEETING DISCUSSION. AS YOU KNOW, WE HAD WE COMMUNICATED EARLIER TODAY ABOUT AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. WE INITIATED THE 164 PROCESS. WE NEED TO NAIL DOWN JOINT MEETING AND DISCUSSION DATES TO PROPOSE FOR OUR INITIAL REQUESTS ON THE 164. AND GIVEN THE CALENDAR DAYS AVAILABLE AND AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND THE 50 DAY TIMETABLE WE'VE IDENTIFIED AS MONDAY, JUNE 1ST. THURSDAY, JUNE 4TH, FRIDAY, JUNE 5TH, AND MONDAY, JUNE 8TH AS AVAILABLE DATES FOR A JOINT MEETING WITH NAA. AND BEFORE WE REACHED OUT TO TO THEM, I JUST WANTED TO HAVE GAINED ANY FEEDBACK OR RECOMMENDATIONS RELATED TO THAT, OTHERWISE I WOULD PROCEED WITH PUTTING THOSE DATES IN WITH PREFERENCE. IF THERE'S. IF IT COMES OUT OF THIS DISCUSSION. JUNE 1ST, OKAY, WE DON'T. THE FIRST IS OUT IS SECOND. JUNE 4TH. WELL, THE SECOND WE'D HAVE TO MOVE A MEETING. THAT WAS WHY WE STAYED AWAY FROM IT. BUT WE CAN IF YOU IF THAT'S THE OPTION. I'M SORRY. YES. OKAY. SO THE FOURTH IS THERE A THURSDAY, JUNE 4TH. FRIDAY, JUNE 5TH AND MONDAY, JUNE 8TH. LET'S GO WITH LET'S KNOCK DOWN THE FOURTH. IS THE FOURTH AVAILABLE TO. YES, YES. CRAMER. YES. YES YES. OKAY. I NEED ALL. CAN WE ALSO KNOW WHETHER. I MEAN AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT. BUT JUNE 5TH IS THAT AVAILABLE. IS THAT WORK ALL THREE DAYS. YOU'RE GOOD. ALL THREE DAYS. OKAY. PENMAN. I'M GOOD. I'VE GOT SOME GRADUATIONS I HAVE TO GET THROUGH TOWN, BUT THAT'S FINE. YEAH. YES. GOOD, GOOD, GOOD. 
          LOOKING GOOD. YOU HAVE TWO DATES? YEAH. IT WAS THE FOURTH, FIFTH AND EIGHTH WERE THE DATES WE WERE GOING TO THREE. WE WERE GOING TO COMMUNICATE. OKAY. YEP. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I HAD THE LA 28. OH. SO IN CHAD'S IN THE BACK IF YOU WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON IT. 
          SORRY THAT IT JUST CAME LAST EVENING, BUT THERE WERE AT THE LAST MEETING WE HAD INDICATED WE WOULD DISSEMINATE INFORMATION RELATED TO THE CITY CAMPS AND THEN ALSO OTHER STEPS THAT THAT WE'VE TAKEN RELATED TO THE UTILIZATION OF CITY SPACE. FOR THAT. I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE YOU HAD THE OPPORTUNITY. NOBODY BROUGHT IT UP. BUT BUT IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU WANTED TO HAVE A PUBLIC DISCUSSION ON ASIDE FROM THAT WHICH WAS PROVIDED TO YOU FOLLOWING THE DECISION THAT WAS MADE EARLIER THIS YEAR? SO. KRAMER, DO WE JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE'VE GOT THE INFO FROM CHAD. DO YOU WANT TO. JUST PROBABLY EASIER FOR YOU TO SPEAK TO THAT AND HOW IT'S HOW WE'RE ACCOMMODATING THOSE KIDS. YES. GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          CHAD MAYOR, COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR SO WE HAVE CONTINUED, AS WE'VE SAID BEFORE, WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH STAR ABILITY FOR A WHILE, AND THEY'RE A GREAT ORGANIZATION. WE'VE REALLY WORKED WELL TOGETHER. AND WHEN WE MADE THE MOVE, WHEN WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION, WE SAID, OKAY, WHAT WERE WE GOING TO DO? WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE TRANSITION, WHICH WAS WHAT OUR PROMISE WAS, IS THAT WE WOULD TRY TO MAKE THE TRANSITION AS SEAMLESS AS POSSIBLE, BUT TO ALSO CONTINUE TO WORK TOWARDS IN THE BACKGROUND A SOLUTION. AND I'M I'M GOING TO GIVE CREDIT TO MERCY. MERCY WAS VERY ACTIVE IN INVOLVED IN THIS AND AS WELL AS OTHER STAFF TO TALK WITH STAR ABILITY AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH THEM A COUPLE OF YEARS 
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BACK. THEY SPECIALIZE IN THE OLDER GROUP. THEY DON'T DO THE YOUNGER GROUP. SO WE SAID, WELL, WHAT WOULD BE THE POTENTIAL OF YOU HANDLING THE OLDER GROUP SINCE THAT'S WHERE YOUR SPECIALTY IS AND LETTING US REALLY FOCUS ON IMPROVING AND MAKING THE YOUNGER GROUP STRONGER AND HAVING THE RESOURCES THERE. AND THEY SAID THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THEY'RE INTERESTED IN. THEY'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON A THEIR FACILITY THAT WAS DONATED. IT WAS, I THINK, HUTCH HODGETOWN. NO, WHAT'S HODGES UNIVERSITY WAS DONATED, BUT IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION. SO THEY SAID IF YOU COULD, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD DO TO HELP YOU FACILITATE THAT. AND THEY SAID, WE JUST NEED A SPACE FOR THE TIME BEING. SO WE SAID, OKAY, WELL, LET'S TRY TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. SO WE TOLD THEM TO PUT TOGETHER A PROPOSAL, AND THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT FOR A LITTLE BIT NOW WITHIN PROBABLY THE LAST 30, 45 DAYS ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE ACTUALLY PROBABLY LAST 60 DAYS. AND THEY DEVELOPED THIS AND THEY PRESENTED IT TO US. WE PUT IT IN A PROPOSAL AND A MEMO. WE SUBMITTED IT TO MR. YOUNG. MR. YOUNG REVIEWED IT. THAT WOULD GIVE THEM USE OF THE SPACE. 
          SPACE THAT THAT WAS ALREADY BEING OCCUPIED BY THAT OLDER AGE GROUP. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE SPACE, THAT SPACE WAS, WE WERE NOT GOING TO UTILIZE THAT SPACE. IT WAS GOING TO EXIST WITHIN THERE. BUT NOW YOU HAVE STAR ABILITY. STAR ABILITY IS GOING TO OCCUPY THAT SPACE FOR RIGHT NOW AS PART OF THE TRANSITION. SO NEXT YEAR, WHEN THEIR NEW FACILITY IS OPEN, THEY WILL TRANSITION THAT GROUP INTO THERE. WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH STAR ABILITY WITH OUR FACILITIES TO ENSURE THAT IF THOSE KIDS WOULD LIKE TO OR THEY WANT TO BRING THEIR GROUPS TO THE POOL, THEN WE DO THAT. IF WE WANT TO HAVE ACTIVITIES, THEN WE PLAN THAT. WE TRY TO DO THINGS IN COORDINATE WITH THEM. SO IT WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR PARTNERSHIP. I COMMEND STAR ABILITY AGAIN, SUCH A GREAT ORGANIZATION. WE'VE DONE A LOT WITH THEM AND THAT'S KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW IS ONCE WE FINISH THE RENTAL, THEY WILL BE OCCUPYING THE SPACE, NO CHARGE. AND WE THEY WILL HANDLE THE REGISTRATION, THEY'LL HANDLE THE STAFFING. THEY WILL HANDLE ALL OF THE ASPECTS OF THE CARE AND EVERYTHING FOR THAT GROUP. AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO HAVE OUR INCLUSIVE CAMP FOR THE YOUNGER GROUP, WHICH THEY DON'T DO. SO THAT'S KIND OF A IN A NUTSHELL, WHERE WE'RE AT, I DON'T KNOW, DID I MISS ANYTHING ELSE? NO, I DON'T THINK SO. OTHER THAN THAT, WE WOULD CONTINUE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT WE'RE PUT IN CORRESPONDENCES AS IF EVERYTHING HAPPENED IN THE LAST SIX MONTHS. AND SOME OF THIS GOES BACK TO INCLUDING WHERE, AGAIN, THIS DIDN'T START 12 MONTHS AGO. IT STARTED PROBABLY ABOUT 36 MONTHS AGO. AND INCLUDING MODIFICATIONS WHERE WE DIDN'T BELIEVE WE HAD THE ADEQUATE STAFF TO TAKE CARE OF CERTAIN THINGS. AND SO THOSE WERE THOSE WERE INCREMENTAL CHANGES. THIS ONE HERE WAS WHEN WE SAID, WE'RE NOT GOING TO COMMINGLE AND BOTH RUN BOTH CAMPS FOR THAT DURATION OF TIME. BUT THIS IS THE NEXT SEGUE TO THE NEXT THING, WHICH IS FOR THAT TO BE A STAR ABILITY, NOT ONLY FOR THAT AGE GROUP, BUT NOT IN OUR FACILITY, BUT OUTSIDE OF OUR FACILITY. AND THIS IS THE NEXT SEGUE TO THAT. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT IT DIDN'T ALL HAPPEN IN ONE SWOOPING. YOU KNOW, THE EMAIL COVERED A PERIOD OF TIME IN THERE, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT. AND, AND I WANT TO THANK CHAD AND HIS TEAM FOR, YOU KNOW, COMING UP WITH THE, THE RECOMMENDATION AS WELL ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UTILIZING THE SPACE, WE CAN STILL FUNCTION. IT CREATES EVEN MORE OF A BRIDGE. HOPEFULLY THEY'LL GET THEIR FACILITY CONSTRUCTED. BUT IF NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL ADAPT EITHER WAY. WE'LL EVALUATE THIS IN 12 MONTHS. BUT THIS IS A, A GOOD STEP TO BRIDGE THAT GAP WITHOUT, WITHOUT TURNING AROUND AND ABOUT FACING GOING BACK TO WHERE WE WERE. SO YEAH, AND I DO, I THINK IT'S WORTH ADDING TO THAT. THE COUNTY HAS AN OUTSTANDING PROGRAM WITH THE AIR PROGRAM, WHICH IS ADAPTIVE INCLUSIVE RECREATION. AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE REACHED OUT TO THEIR DIRECTOR. AND WE'VE ALSO, IN ADDITION TO I'VE ASKED THAT WHEN WE IF WE HAVE ANY OF THE PARTICIPANTS THAT WERE TRYING TO FIND A PLACE, IF THEY CAN MAKE SURE THEY RECONSIDER BECAUSE I HEARD A COUPLE OF THEM MAKE A STATEMENT THAT IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET INTO THE PROGRAM. HE SAID HE WOULD GO TO STAFF. I HAVE NOT FOLLOWED BACK UP WITH HIM, BUT AT THE TIME I SPOKE WITH HIM, HE SAID THAT HE HASN'T HAD ANYBODY COME TO THEM. SO, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO WE TRY TO WORK TOGETHER. I MEAN, WE'RE A COMMUNITY. IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME IF IT'S THE CITY, IF IT'S THE COUNTY, IF IT'S THE PRIVATE ORGANIZATION. I FELT LIKE THREE ORGANIZATIONS ARE WORKING TOWARDS A COMMON GOAL, WHICH IS TO PROVIDE ACTIVITIES AND A PLACE FOR KIDS, AND THEY DO AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB WITH THEIR PROGRAM. WE DO AN EXCEPTIONAL JOB WITH THE SIDE THAT WE HAVE. WE ARE HAVING A DIFFICULTY, I 
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WILL ADD, GETTING STAFF FOR THESE SUMMER CAMPS. I AM STRUGGLING, SO I ASK IF ANYBODY HAS ANYONE WHO'S INTERESTED IN CAMPS TO PLEASE GO ON THE WEBSITE AND APPLY, BECAUSE WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO OFFER THESE SERVICES, BUT IT HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE TO BE ABLE TO GET STAFFING TO PROVIDE TO THAT. AND QUALIFIED STAFFING IS, IS ALSO A KEY COMPONENT. WE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE PROPER PEOPLE IN THE PROPER PLACES. WELL, I'M THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, KRAMER, FOR ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE. AND, YOU KNOW, WE WE'VE DONE THE BEST WE CAN. WE'VE REALLY OFFERED A GREAT SERVICE. AND WHEN YOU CAN'T FIND CERTAIN NEEDS TO BE MET, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE TO EVALUATE WHAT YOU HAVE. AND SO I APPRECIATE YOU AND KRAMER WORKING. MR. YOUNG ON FINDING A SOLUTION TO THIS. AND FGCU. THEY HAVE KIDS, NOT KIDS, YOUNG ADULTS THAT MIGHT BE LOOKING FOR A SUMMER JOB. I ALWAYS USE THE COLLEGES, AND I HEARD COACH KRAMER WOULD LIKE A SECOND JOB OVER THE SUMMER, SO YOU MIGHT WANT. SO WITH THAT, THANK YOU. 
          YEAH, I. YEAH, I STILL HAVE TWO MORE ITEMS IF WE'RE DONE WITH THIS ONE. SO ALONG THE OTHER LINES OF MEETING DATES WILL UTILIZE THOSE. BUT JUST KEEP IN MIND THAT AS WAS DISCUSSED EARLIER, THE N A WE MAY NEED DATES TO COMPLY WITH THEIR 164 AND THE 50 DAY TIMETABLE AS WELL. SO PLEASE KEEP THAT IN MIND AND WE'LL AS SOON AS WE HEAR ANY DATES, WE'LL, WE'LL WE'LL LET THAT BE KNOWN AS WELL. AND THEN LASTLY, JUST BECAUSE MR. KOWAL WAS HERE, EVEN THOUGH I DID SAY, I THINK A MEETING A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO WHERE I INDICATED THAT THE COUNTY MANAGER HAD REACHED OUT, ASKED FOR, YOU KNOW, YES, WE'RE ALL WILLING TO HAVE A JOINT SESSION. 
          I HAVE BEEN IN A REFERENCE THAT WHEN I REFERENCED THAT THE ABOUT THE FIREWORKS DISCUSSION, THOSE WERE THE TWO ITEMS. MY POINT BEING IS THEY'RE OPEN FOR A MEETING. WE JUST HAVE LIMITED NUMBER OF DATES AND WE'VE BEEN ADDING MEETINGS AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. SO MY THOUGHT WAS TO GET WITH HER AND TRY TO ARRANGE DATES IN THE FALL. BUT IF YOU WANTED TO GET THEM IN BETWEEN NOW AND JUNE 17TH, I, I WOULD EXPEDITE IT. BUT MY, MY RATIONALE WAS WE HAD ENOUGH ON OUR PLATE AND WAS TRYING TO GET GET TO THE SUMMER. SO AS LONG AS THERE, UNLESS THERE'S AN OBJECTION, THAT WOULD BE MY INTENT WITH THAT. BUT I DID WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE AGAIN THAT, YES, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY, MISS PATTERSON HAS REACHED OUT AND THEY'RE WILLING THEY'RE WILLING AND ABLE TO HAVE THAT MEETING. I WOULD HAVE LOVED TO HAVE HAD IT YESTERDAY, BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A DISCUSSION. I WROTE DOWN SOME THINGS TODAY OF CONCERN THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS MENTIONED, BUT THAT WE HAVE AN AGENDA AND WORKED ON FOR THAT CONVERSATION TO HAPPEN. SO I DON'T THINK RUSHING IN IS A GOOD IDEA. SO I SUPPORT THE FALL. YEAH. AND FROM A TIMING PERSPECTIVE, MAYOR, SINCE WE ONLY HAVE THE TWO, THE ONE BUDGET WORKSHOP IN AUGUST IN ONE MEETING, THEN, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE TWO IN SEPTEMBER, THE FOR IDEALLY WE WOULD DO THE WORKSHOP IN IN SEPTEMBER AS THE DATE TO HAVE OUR INTERNAL DISCUSSION AND THEN SET THE MEETING DATE AFTER THAT, ALONG WITH THE PRIORITIES THAT WE HAVE TO PUT CORRECT, MA'AM. AND THEY MAY GO HAND IN HAND, BUT THE BUDGET I THINK THE BUDGET IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT DISCUSSIONS ARE GOING TO REVEAL SOME ITEMS THAT WILL WANT TO BE FOR JOINT DISCUSSION AS WELL. SURE. I WOULD LIKE TO. THE YOUNG MAN THERE IN THE RED TIE IN WHITE SHIRT IS MY INTERN, DENNIS BOLDEN FROM AMERICAN UNIVERSITY IN VIRGINIA. OH, NICE. AND HE STAYS, I THINK, UNTIL MID-JULY, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. AND SHARP YOUNG MAN HE'S HE'S MORE EXPERTISE ON THE NAPLES 2045 PLAN THAN THAN I AM BY BY A FAR SHOT AND SOME OTHER THINGS WITH THE THE PLAN FOR GROWTH. SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE HIM A WELCOME TO NAPLES. WELCOME. YES. 
          THANK YOU. ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF GOING OUT AND USING OUR INTERNS AND COLLEGE STUDENTS. SO THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG. YOU HAD ONE MORE THING. NO, THAT WAS IT FOR TODAY. I'LL LEAVE EVERYTHING ELSE I JUST A REMINDER, WE'RE GOING TO. I THINK WE MAY NEED A MINUTE BREAK. I'M NOT SURE IF WE DO. I'LL DEFER TO THE CLERK ON THAT. WELL, BUT WE ARE GOING TO GO INTO CRA MEETING BRIEFLY. 
          YES. I JUST I JUST HAVE TWO THINGS. AND ONE IS FROM CHIEF PENNINGTON. AND SINCE WE ARE LOOKING AT PUBLIC SERVANTS RECOGNIZING THEIR SERVICE, HE SENT US AN EMAIL WITH PICTURES ABOUT ELEVATED TECHNICAL RESCUE. AND HE SAID, I JUST WANT TO TAKE A MOMENT TO SHARE WITH YOU, AND I KNOW YOU RECEIVED IT, BUT I THOUGHT THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THIS. SOME PICTURES OF 
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RESCUE PERFORMED TODAY BY CREWS FROM FIREHOUSE ONE JUST BEFORE LUNCH TODAY. TWO TODAY, CREWS FROM FIREHOUSE ONE WERE DISPATCHED TO TWO SEPARATE EMERGENCIES. ENGINE ONE AND BATTALION ONE RESPONDED TO A GREATER NAPLES FIRE DISTRICT FOR A REPORTED WORKING HOUSE FIRE. AT THE SAME TIME, LADDER COMPANY ONE, ALONG WITH MEDIC ONE FROM COLLIER COUNTY, WERE DISPATCHED FOR A SUBJECT THAT FELL APPROXIMATELY TEN FEET FROM A LADDER. THE CALL WAS UPDATED THAT THE SUBJECT FELL FROM ONE ROOF TO ANOTHER. ONCE THE INFORMATION WAS RELAYED VIA CAD, THE LATTER ONE OFFICER REPORTED AN ADDITIONAL ENGINE TO RESPOND TO THE SCENE. ENGINE NUMBER TWO WAS DISPATCHED FROM THE QUARTERS TO RESPOND. AS IT TURNS OUT, THE WORKER WAS ON A TEN FOOT LADDER, CLEANING WINDOWS ON AN OVERHANG ATTACHED TO THE HOME THAT COVERS THE ENTRYWAY. THE PATIENT HAD A LEG INJURY AND REQUIRED STABILIZATION PAIN MEDICATION PRIOR TO PACKAGING. BASED ON THE LOCATION OF THE PATIENT, THIS WAS GOING TO BE A TECHNICAL RESCUE REQUIRING THE USE OF AERIAL DEVICES. STROKE BASKET THREE OF THE SEVEN MEMBERS FROM THE DEPARTMENT AND MEMBERS OF OUR TECHNICAL RESCUE TEAM ARE ARE QUICKLY SET UP FOR A PICKUP OFF THE ELEVATED POSITION. I HAVE ATTACHED PICTURES AND HE ATTACHED A VIDEO. BUT THE FIRE RESCUE, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE NAPLES POLICE DEPARTMENT AND COLLIER COUNTY EMS, WORK SEAMLESSLY TO SAFELY BRING THE PATIENT DOWN AND TRANSPORTED HIM TO THE HOSPITAL FOR FURTHER TREATMENT OF A SPECIAL NOTE. I'M JUST VERY PROUD OF OUR TEAM, OUR TEAM MEMBERS, AND THEIR ABILITY TO QUICKLY, EFFICIENTLY AND SAFELY WORK TO DIRECT PROPER PACKING AND COORDINATION WITH THE NON TECHNICAL RESCUE MEMBERS. OVERALL, THIS IS A JOB WELL DONE. THANK YOU. REGARDS, PHILIP. CHIEF PENNINGTON THEY USUALLY YOU KNOW, WE HAVE FIRST RESPONDERS. THEY'RE SELFLESS. THEY GO IN. THEY SACRIFICE THEIR LIVES AND GO INTO SITUATIONS OF UNKNOWN. SO THIS IS JUST PART OF RECOGNITION FOR THOSE WHO DON'T GET MUCH RECOGNITION. SO ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL, THANK YOU TO THE RESCUERS AND THIS JOB WELL DONE. 
          ON A SMALLER NOTE, BUT A GREAT NOTE, DEL MAR HAD TWO VISITORS THE RESTAURANT ON FIFTH VACATIONING AND THE ONE THE WOMAN FELL TO THE GROUND, HAD TO HAVE MEDICAL ATTENTION, AND TWO OF THE STAFF MEMBERS THAT WERE NURSES WENT AND GAVE IMMEDIATE MEDICAL CARE. SO KUDOS TO OUR RESTAURANT ON FIFTH AVENUE, DEL MAR AND THEIR STAFF FOR ALSO TENDING TO THE PUBLIC. SO THOSE ARE GREAT THINGS HAPPENING WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. AND I'LL JUST LEAVE YOU WITH THIS. I'M VERY GRATEFUL TO OUR STAFF WHO ARE WORKING DILIGENTLY ON AMERICA. 
          250 SO THIS IS A LITTLE UPDATE. I WANT TO THANK MR. YOUNG, THE COMMUNITY SERVICES, AND CHRISTINA AND SANDRA FOR THEIR HARD WORK ON THIS BEHIND THE SCENES. SO WE'RE EXCITED TO CONTINUE BUILDING THE MOMENTUM FOR THE NAPLES AMERICA 250 CELEBRATION. AND AS WE HONOR OUR NATION'S UPCOMING 250 ANNIVERSARY, OUR AMERICA 250 STUDENT ESSAY CONTEST HAS OFFICIALLY CLOSED, AND WE ARE PROUD TO SHARE THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED STRONG PARTICIPATION FROM STUDENTS ACROSS THE CITY. TODAY, AS A PACKET PACKETS ARE BEING DELIVERED TO OUR JUDGES. 
          WE HAVE THREE AND WE ARE GREATLY GRATEFUL TO THEM FOR THEIR TIME AND COMMITMENT TO REVIEW THESE. THE THREE WINNING STUDENTS WILL BE INVITED TO PRESENT THEIR ESSAYS ON MAY 20TH AT CITY COUNCIL MEETING, AND THEY'LL BE RECOGNIZED AND CELEBRATED. AND OUR TEAM REALLY WEREN'T GOING TO GIVE PRIZES OR ANY OTHER RECOGNITION, BUT OUR TEAM WENT AND GATHERED SOME REALLY NICE INCENTIVE PRIZES, SO THAT'LL BE A SURPRISE FOR THEM. WE ARE ALSO PLANNING A COMMUNITY READING OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE WITH THE DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION ON JULY 8TH, ON THE STEPS OF CITY HALL, AND CREATING A MEANINGFUL OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO COME TOGETHER IN REFLECTION AND CELEBRATION. ADDITIONAL EVENTS. THERE'S THE TREE FEST. PUT IT ON YOUR CALENDAR. JUNE 6TH, FEATURING A LIVE OAK PLANTING AT BAKER PARK, AND THAT WILL HAVE A CELEBRATION AND REFLECT BOTH OUR HISTORY AND OUR COMMITMENT TO THE FUTURE. AND THIS IS THIS IS A COMMUNITY WIDE EVENT. AND COUNCIL. HERE WE GO. IN CELEBRATING OUR COUNTRY'S 250TH BIRTHDAY, NOT TO MENTION. US 
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CELEBRATING OUR CONTRIBUTIONS TO AMERICA. AND JUST SO YOU KNOW, AT THE END OR THE BEGINNING OF THE DAY, VICE MAYOR IS JUST LIKE WE DID FOR THE CENTENNIAL WILL ACTUALLY ASK OR GIVE US A FUN FACT ABOUT AMERICA STARTING AT OUR NEXT MEETING. YOU AGREED TO THAT. 
          OKAY, SO THAT'LL BE SOMETHING FUN TO LOOK FORWARD TO. IT'S GOING TO BE IF IT'S A QUIZ, ALL OF YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO ANSWER THAT. BUT IF NOT, WE WANT TO BE HAVE THE FUN FACTS. SO WITH THAT, IT WAS A LONG DAY, BUT A GREAT DAY. SO THANK YOU. AND WE ARE GOING INTO A CRA MEETING. 
          BUT THIS MEETING OF REGULAR
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