[1) CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL] [00:00:16] ORDER THE CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP ON MONDAY, APRIL 13TH. MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER HERE. COUNCILMEMBER KRAUSE HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN HERE. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ HERE. VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP HERE, MAYOR HEITMANN AND MAYOR HEITMANN IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT LATE TODAY. SHE'LL BE HERE SHORTLY. PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. SETTING THE AGENDA FOR TODAY, [3) SET AGENDA (add or remove items)] MR. YOUNG. GOOD MORNING. JUST FOR THE RECORD, ON APRIL EXCUSE ME, ON APRIL 8TH, WE ISSUED A SUPPLEMENT. WE ADDED ITEM SIX G, WHICH IS A DISCUSSION ON HB 4005. AND AS A MATTER OF PRACTICE, WE'RE GOING TO HEAR THAT ITEM IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING AGENDA ITEM SIX A, WHICH IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER CHANGES? COUNCIL. ALL RIGHT. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO SET THE AGENDA WITH THAT CHANGE MOVE APPROVAL. THANK YOU, MISS PENMAN SECOND AND COACH KRAMER, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY I. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT. THAT PASSES [4) PUBLIC COMMENTS] UNANIMOUSLY. AND WE'LL GET STARTED WITH PUBLIC COMMENT. IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A PUBLIC COMMENT. THERE'S THERE'S SLIPS IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM PLEASE FEEL WENT OUT AND HAND IT TO THE CLERK. AND WHEN YOU COME TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD BEFORE YOU START YOUR COMMENTS. OUR FIRST SPEAKER TODAY IS MARTIN HORNICK. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS MARTIN HORNICK. I LIVE ON 1770 AND I'M A NAPLES RESIDENT AND I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT HOUSE BILL FB 4005. I KNOW IT'S COMING A LITTLE LATER AND I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE BEST TIME TO SPEAK IS, BUT I WANT TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS WITH YOU. I STRONGLY OPPOSE THAT BILL, AND FOR ME, IT'S A DIRECT ATTACK ON THE RESIDENTS OF NAPLES, AND IT STRIPS THE POWER FROM THE NAPLES RESIDENTS AND HANDS IT OVER TO THE COUNTY, WHICH IS FOR ME, COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE. THE POWER GRAB BY BIG GOVERNMENT IN TALLAHASSEE IS SOMETHING THAT IS DRIVEN BY SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS WITH THEIR MONEY AND THEIR INFLUENCE. OUR CITY DECISIONS NEED TO AND SHOULD BE MADE IN THE CITY. AND NOT BY OUTSIDERS. PLEASE DON'T LISTEN TO PAID REPRESENTATIVES OF SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS. LISTEN TO YOUR RESIDENTS. LISTEN TO WHAT THEIR NEEDS AND THEIR NEEDS, THEIR DESIRES ARE. STAND AND FIGHT FOR US. AT THE POINT WHEN THE DECISION COMES UP THAT YOU HAVE TO TAKE LEGAL MEANS OR LEGAL ACTIONS OR NOT, YOU KNOW WHAT TO DO BEST. AND I WOULD LIKE TO APPEAL TO ALL OF YOU WHAT THE RESIDENTS OF THIS TOWN REALLY WANT AND REALLY NEED. STOP THE POWER GRAB OF TALLAHASSEE AND SUPPORT THE CITY. THAT'S ALL I HAD FOR TODAY AND THANKS FOR LISTENING. SHORT SPEECH TODAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS CARRIE SCHUMER. HI THERE. SO MORNING, CARRIE SCHUMANN, THE CLIMATE RESILIENCE ADVISOR FROM THE CONSERVANCY. I KNOW I SAW ALL OF YOU RECENTLY FOR OTHER PURPOSES, BUT WE DID TURN IN SOME COMMENTS ON THE RESILIENCE PLAN OR THE COMP PLAN UPDATE, INCLUDING RESILIENCE. SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE THE CHANCE TO KIND OF SUMMARIZE AND REITERATE WHAT WAS IN THERE. SO AND OF COURSE, THEY ARE IN THE AGENDA PACKET FOR YOUR REFERENCE. SO JUST WANT TO SUMMARIZE THAT. WE DID START BY JUST TALKING ABOUT LEGISLATIVE CONTEXT. SO CLEARLY THIS GROUP IS ALREADY AWARE OF [00:05:01] THE SB 180 PIECE. WE DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT. AND WE THINK YOUR TEAM HAS A GOOD HANDLE ON THIS. BUT JUST THAT THERE WAS ANOTHER BILL, HB 1217, CONCERNING NET ZERO LANGUAGE THAT THE CONSERVANCY OF COURSE, DOESN'T AGREE WITH NECESSARILY, BUT IT IS ANOTHER SORT OF ATTACK ON HOME RULE AND HAVING TO KIND OF PAY ATTENTION. AND WE DO THINK THAT'S LIKELY TO GET SIGNED INTO LAW BY THE GOVERNOR. WE DO WANT TO JUST PROVIDE GENERAL SUPPORT FOR THE GREAT WORK THAT CITY STAFF AND THE CONSULTING GROUP IS DOING. WE DID A LOT OF REITERATING WHY WE THOUGHT A LOT OF THE NEW CONTENT, INCLUDING THE DEDICATED RESILIENCE ELEMENT, REALLY IS A GREAT ADDITION AND REITERATING THE REASONS WHY WE THINK THAT'S THE CASE. THERE ARE A FEW INSTANCES WHERE WE MADE SOME SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS AROUND SOME FURTHER WINDOWS OF OPPORTUNITY, AND THE KIND OF ISSUES WOULD BE AROUND, FOR INSTANCE, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERING MORE SPECIFICS AROUND PERMEABLE SURFACE REQUIREMENTS, A LITTLE BIT MORE AROUND COMMITMENT TO WASTEWATER MANAGEMENT IN RELATION TO THINGS LIKE STORM SURGE AND SPILLS, YOU KNOW, REITERATING THE ISSUE OF SEPTIC SYSTEMS, GIVEN THAT THERE IS IMPAIRED FUNCTION WITH SEA LEVEL RISE, FOR INSTANCE, OR EXPECTED WITH SEA LEVEL RISE, YOU KNOW, OPPORTUNITIES FOR REALLY TRYING TO ENCOURAGE THE CO-LOCATING OF DUNE SYSTEMS WITH SEAWALLS ON THE BEACH TO AMELIORATE THOSE IMPACTS, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, AND CREATE MULTIPLE LINES OF DEFENSE, AND TO THINK ABOUT FUTURE CONDITIONS AND WHAT THAT MEANS FOR THE CITY'S WORK AROUND NATURAL RESOURCES MANAGEMENT AND SPECIES WORK. IF THERE'S ANY INTEREST IN PURSUING ANY OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS, WE'RE HAPPY TO PROVIDE ANY ANY ASSISTANCE TO STAFF IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT'S LOOKED LIKE IN OTHER PLANS. AND I GUESS I JUST WANT TO REITERATE A COUPLE THINGS TO END WITH. AND THE FIRST IS JUST THAT, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THERE'S A THAT THERE'S A LOT OF GREAT UPDATES COMING AND THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF STRENGTH TO THE COMP PLAN BEFORE THIS. SO I THINK AS HAS BEEN ITERATED IN OTHER COMMENTS, IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE UP TO CITY LEADERSHIP TO REALLY ENACT AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS PLAN HAS THE TEETH IT NEEDS. SO WE'LL BE REALLY LOOKING TO CITY LEADERSHIP FOR THAT. AND LASTLY, I JUST WANT TO SAY WE'LL KEEP AN EYE ON THE ORDINANCE SORT OF UPDATES IN CASE THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES AROUND SOME OF OUR NATURE BASED PROTECTION AND ANY RECOMMENDATIONS WE CAN PROVIDE AROUND THAT. SO JUST THANKING YOU AGAIN FOR A GREAT PROACTIVE PROCESS, AND THANKS FOR ALLOWING US TO BE ENGAGED. SO THANKS FOR BEING HERE TODAY AND THANKS FOR PROVIDING YOUR COMMENTS TO STAFF AND PARTICIPATING IN THE COMP PLAN PROCESS. YEAH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS DONNA DABNEY. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS DONNA DABNEY. I LIVE IN OLD NAPLES ON SIXTH STREET. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE COMP PLAN VERY BRIEFLY. I THINK IT'S A GREAT PLAN. I'M REALLY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT IT AND PARTICULARLY ABOUT INCREASING THE NUMBER OF SHADE TREES IN THE CITY. I THINK THE SHADE TREE LANGUAGE NEEDS METRICS. I THINK WE NEED TO SUPPORT OUR CITY ARBORIST WHO'S DOING A TERRIFIC JOB, AND WHAT SHE NEEDS IS METRICS TO MAKE SURE THAT IMPROVING ON SHADE TREES REALLY MATTERS. AND I COME FROM A CORPORATE BACKGROUND WHERE WHAT, WHAT GETS MEASURED GETS DONE. AND I THINK WHAT HEATHER SHIELDS TOLD YOU A COUPLE WEEKS AGO WAS THAT WE ONLY HAVE 28% OF OUR TREES IN THE CITY ARE MAJOR STORY SHADE TREES, 28%. THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH. SHE ALSO TOLD YOU THAT WE HAVE TOO MANY PALM TREES IN PARTICULARLY WE HAVE TOO MANY CUBAN ROYAL PALM TREES. WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE MORE THAN 10% OF ANY ONE TREE SPECIES. HOWEVER, WE HAVE 25% OF CUBAN ROYAL PALM TREES. THAT'S TOO MANY. WE HAVE 15% OF COCONUT PALM TREES. THAT'S 5% TOO MANY. WE NEED TO REPLACE THESE PALM TREES WITH SHADE TREES, WITH MAJOR STORY SHADE TREES. SO HOW TO DO THAT? PUT SOME METRICS TO IT. TAKE THAT 28% UP TO 50%. REPLACE THOSE PALM TREES AS WE NEED TO DO FOR SPECIES DIVERSITY WITH MULTISTORY SHADE TREES, AND THEN SUPPORT MISS SHIELDS WITH SOME MONEY BEHIND IT SO SHE CAN DO THAT. I THINK THIS SHOULD BE PART OF SHOULD BE PART OF HER EVERY YEAR PLAN. WHEN SHE COMES BACK TO YOU, HOW MANY PALM TREES HAVE YOU REPLACED AND AND WHERE ARE THEY? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I REALLY WANT TO SUPPORT SHADE TREES. I HOPE YOU DO TOO. THANK YOU. AND OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS SALLY PETERSON. GOOD MORNING, [00:10:12] SALLY PETERSON. I LIVE AT FIRST AVENUE NORTH IN NAPLES. AND I JUST WANT TO REITERATE WHAT DONNA SAID. I THINK FIRST AVENUE NORTH IS PROBABLY THE MODEL STREET FOR SHADE TREES IN NAPLES. WE HAVE MAHOGANY TREES THERE AND WE HAVE LOTS OF SHADE, AND THE REST OF NAPLES SHOULD FOLLOW SUIT. I ALSO WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE COMP PLAN. I'M ALSO VERY ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT WHAT I'VE READ SO FAR. I ATTENDED BOTH OF THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS AND I FOUND THEM TO BE WELL ORGANIZED, DYNAMIC, PROVOCATIVE, AND A GOOD WAY AND VERY INTERACTIVE. AND WHAT PLEASED ME THE MOST WAS TO SEE HOW THE VOICES OF OUR RESIDENTS WERE USED TO INFORM THE CONTENT OF THE DRAFT PLAN, SPECIFICALLY THE FOCUS ON RESILIENCY, CONCERNS ABOUT EXTERNAL GROWTH PRESSURE, AND THE AFFIRMATION OF THE CITY'S VISION, WHICH WAS THEN WOVEN INTO EACH OF THE ELEMENTS OF THE PLAN. BUT WHAT CONCERNS ME IS THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE NO FORMAL PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS AFTER THE. THE PLAN IS SENT TO TALLAHASSEE AND BEEN ADOPTED. IT WILL BE THE JOB OF THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD TO CONTINUE TO UPDATE THE PLAN AND TO PERFECT IT. I THINK THIS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME AFTER IT'S BEEN ADOPTED TO RESURRECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD PRIORITY PLANS. REMEMBER THAT THEY EXIST. THEY HAVEN'T BEEN UPDATED SINCE 1999, AND THEY PROVIDE A POWERFUL ROADMAP TO BRING NAPLES 2045 INTO REALITY. AND THEY ALSO ENSURE THAT EVERY RESIDENT THAT THERE'S EQUITY IN THE POWER OF RESIDENT VOICES IN EACH AND EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD THROUGHOUT NAPLES. AT THE VERY LEAST, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU KEEP THE NAPLES 2045 WEBSITE LIVE AND INTERACTIVE AS A CONTINUOUS WAY TO CAPTURE VOICES OF RESIDENTS. AS THE PLAN IS IMPLEMENTED AND CONTINUOUSLY UPDATED. I WANT TO SAY ONE MORE THING ABOUT THE NAPLES VISION. THE FACT THAT AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, THAT IT WAS REAFFIRMED THAT LEAD SHOULD NOT BE BURIED ON PAGE 33 OF THE PLAN, I RECOMMEND THE CONSULTANTS BRING IT FRONT AND CENTER. THE FIRST PAGE OF THE INTRODUCTION, THE FACT THAT I MEAN THE NAPLES VISION IS WHAT IS HOW THE REST OF THE PLAN FLOWS, AND THAT SHOULD BE FRONT AND CENTER ON PAGE ONE OF THE DOCUMENT, ALONG WITH THE SUMMARY SORT OF STATEMENT OF WHAT THAT VISION IS. I HAVE A FEW OTHER EDITS. I'VE ALREADY SUBMITTED THEM ONLINE. I JUST WANT TO SAY HOW PLEASED I AM WITH HOW THE PLAN IS TAKING FORM. THERE'S MORE WORK TO BE DONE. JUST KEEP LISTENING TO YOUR RESIDENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MADAM CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS? I HAVE NO OTHERS. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR NEXT ITEM [5.A) Interviews with Applicants for the Planning Advisory Board. ] COUNCIL, WHICH IS INTERVIEWS FOR THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. MADAM CLERK JESSICA ROSENBERG, DEPUTY CITY CLERK. TODAY WE HAVE INTERVIEWS WITH APPLICANTS FOR THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. THERE WILL BE SIX INTERVIEWS. COUNCIL MIGHT RECALL THREE OF THE APPLICANTS HAD ALREADY BEEN INTERVIEWED IN MARCH. AND AT THE APRIL 1ST REGULAR MEETING, THERE WAS A CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL TO INVITE THE APPLICANTS TO REINTRODUCE TO RE-INTERVIEW IF THEY SO CHOOSE. AND THEY ACTUALLY DID ALL CHOOSE TO COME BACK AND RE-INTERVIEW. I WILL START OFF WITH THE FIRST APPLICANT, GARY COOPER, OUR CURRENT ALTERNATE. JESSICA, JUST REAL QUICK, HOW MANY SEATS ARE WE FILLING WHEN WE VOTE ON WEDNESDAY? YES, THERE'S A REGULAR TERM AND AN ALTERNATE TERM. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, MR. COOPER. IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND START WITH ANY INTRODUCTORY COMMENTS YOU MAY HAVE. GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL AND STAFF. MY NAME IS GARY COOPER. I LIVE AT TWO 82ND AVENUE SOUTH IN OLD NAPLES. AND I'M HERE AGAIN BEFORE YOU TO. CONTINUE MY INTEREST IN REPRESENTING THE CITY AND. THESE ALL THESE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT THIS MORNING ALREADY, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THINGS I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN AND HELPED TO SHAPE AND COMMENT ON AND TO BE ENGAGED WITH. AND I FEEL THAT AS AS A RESIDENT OF DOWNTOWN NAPLES, I'M ACTIVE IN THE LOCAL ACTIVITIES AND AWARE OF CURRENT [00:15:07] EVENTS, AND I FEEL THAT I DON'T HAVE ANY AGENDA EXCEPT TO REPRESENT THE BEST ATTRIBUTES OF NAPLES THAT WE HAVE, INCLUDING OUR CITIZENS, AND HAVE THEM PARTICIPATE AND BE AWARE, HAVE TRANSPARENCY, AND HAVE THE WILL TO PARTICIPATE IN SHAPING THESE THINGS. BESIDES WHAT'S IN WRITING, TO HAVE PEOPLE BE ENGAGED SO THAT THEY DON'T SAY, HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? AS THEY CAN BE PROUD OF NAPLES AND THEY CAN BE FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE A STAKE IN IT. AND THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY REASON THAT I VOLUNTEER FOR PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, BECAUSE I FEEL THAT I CAN. I CAN, I CAN, I CAN BE NOT NOT ONLY SUPPORTIVE, BUT I CAN WEIGH IN ON THINGS THAT ARE. BENEFICIAL TO THE CITY. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBERS. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCILMAN SCHULTZ? MR. COOPER, THANK YOU FOR COMING FORTH AND OFFERING YOUR SERVICES. ONE QUESTION. DID YOU RESIGN YOUR SEAT AS AN ALTERNATE ON THE PAB TO DO THIS? WELL, I, I MY TERM IS STILL UNTIL THE 31ST I ATTENDED THE LAST MEETING. I HAVE NOT RESIGNED. MY. I FIGURE THAT, WELL, I DON'T KNOW. I HAVEN'T BEEN TOLD THAT I HAD TO RESIGN, BUT I GUESS IF I'M NOT APPOINTED, THEN MY TERM WILL DISAPPEAR. AND IF I'M APPOINTED TO ONE OF THE TWO POSITIONS THAT ARE AT HAND HERE, THEN THEN THAT WOULD BE A NATURAL OCCURRENCE. DID YOU CHECK WITH COUNCIL AT ALL ABOUT YOUR STATUS AND APPLICATION? I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND. I WAS TOLD THAT I DID NOT HAVE TO REAPPLY. I ALREADY APPLIED AND THAT THEN THEY SAID WE COULD INTERVIEW AGAIN AND WE DIDN'T HAVE TO REAPPLY. I'M PREDICTING THAT YOU'RE ON THE BOARD AS AN ALTERNATE. YOU'RE SEEKING FULL STATUS ON THE PAB. USUALLY, I THINK YOU HAVE TO STEP ASIDE FROM A POSITION TO SEEK ANOTHER POSITION. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S APPLICABLE TO THIS TERM IS GOING TO END. I'M SORRY. HIS TERM AS AN ALTERNATE ENDS APRIL 30TH. HE DOESN'T HAVE TO RESIGN. THANK YOU SO MUCH. VERY GOOD. YEAH. YES, COUNCILOR. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. RELATIVE TO YOUR LOCATION. ARE YOU FINDING THAT RESILIENCY IS STARTING TO AFFECT THE MARKETPLACE IN ANY WAY? PEOPLE THAT ARE RETREATING, MOVING FURTHER OUT, AWAY FROM THE WATER, PEOPLE THAT ASK QUESTIONS RELATIVE TO BEING NEAR THE WATER. DOES IT AFFECT YOUR AVOCATION AT ALL? IT DOES NOT. OKAY, I HAVE NO BIAS THAT WAY. AND PEOPLE HERE OR FROM OUTSIDE HERE, THEY READ A LOT OF THINGS. THEY HEAR A LOT OF THINGS. IT'S NOT ALWAYS IT'S IT'S MANY TIMES DOGMATIC. THEY'RE NOT HERE. THEY'RE NOT REALLY SURE. LIKE THE WHOLE PLACE FLOODED. EVERYTHING IS, YOU KNOW, BUT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THE LOCAL KNOWLEDGE AND THE INFORMATION THAT'S CURRENT. I TRY TO, IN ANY, ANYTHING THAT I DO PROVIDE REAL INSIGHT ON WHAT, WHAT PEOPLE CAN EXPECT HERE AND DEPENDS ON THEIR LIFESTYLES. AND I HAVE NO INTEREST EXCEPT TO, YOU KNOW, IF I WAS TALKING ABOUT NAPLES AND SOMEBODY ASKED ME WHAT NAPLES WAS LIKE, I, I WOULD TELL THEM WHAT I THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND HOW I FEEL ABOUT NAPLES, BUT ONLY ONLY IN THE INTEREST OF PROVIDING INFORMATION. OKAY. AND YOU HAVEN'T SEEN ANY RETREATING. I SEE THINGS BEING A LITTLE BIT IN IN ABEYANCE BECAUSE OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON IN THE WORLD, AND NAPLES PARTICIPATES IN THAT. BUT THERE'S CERTAINLY NO LACK OF INTEREST ABOUT NAPLES AND COMING TO NAPLES. AND IN COMPARING NAPLES TO THE EAST COAST, IF ANYBODY'S BEEN OVER TO THE EAST COAST, IT'S REALLY HARD TO COMPARE THOSE TWO SIZE WISE, POPULATION WISE AND DENSITY WISE. BUT I UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE WOULD COMPARE THAT. BUT I THINK THAT IT'S REALLY NOT A FAIR COMPARISON, BUT IN THE SAME IN THE SAME. THOUGHT, IS EVERYONE HERE WANTS TO KEEP NAPLES, BE PROUD OF NAPLES AND AND MAKE [00:20:10] AND KEEP THAT DIFFERENCE FOR THE FUTURE SO THAT WHEN THINGS GET IMPROVED, CITIZENS ARE GLAD AND THEY CAN USE IT. IT'S BETTER FOR THEM NOT JUST TO SAY, LOOK WHAT WE COULD BUILD HERE. LOOK HOW BIG WE CAN BUILD IT. IT HAS TO FIT IN WITH THE NAPLES PLAN. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY'S INTERESTED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SO THAT PEOPLE CAN ENJOY IT HERE. RESIDENTS AND AND VISITORS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES. MR. KROLL. YES. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR SERVING, GARY. AND I KNOW GARY. HE IS TRULY A RESIDENCE FIRST CANDIDATE. HE'S NOT A DEVELOPER. HE'S NOT. HE'S NO HIDDEN AGENDA. HE'S AT A STAGE IN HIS LIFE. HE JUST WANTS TO HELP THE CITY. AND HE'S HE'S RESIDENTS FIRST 100%. AND I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT TO PEOPLE BECAUSE HE'S I THINK HE'S A VERY GOOD CANDIDATE FOR THIS POSITION. THANK YOU. YES. COUNCILMAN SCHULTZ, A COUPLE ITEMS JUST SLIPPED MY MIND. YOU WERE A PB ALTERNATE WHEN I WAS A PAB MEMBER. WHAT WERE YOUR OBSERVATIONS ON HOW THE. A THE PAB OPERATED IN REGARDS TO RECEIVING TESTIMONY, THE HOMEWORK GOING, LOOKING AT PROPERTIES. AND THEN NOW YOU'RE WANTING TO BE FULL TIME, WHICH YOU'VE PROBABLY BEEN FILLING IN FOR ME A GREAT DEAL. WHAT'S YOUR OBSERVATION AS TO WHAT YOU WOULD BRING AS A FULL MEMBER VERSUS WHAT YOU BROUGHT AS AN ALTERNATE MEMBER? THANK YOU. WELL, THERE'S TWO POSITIONS AVAILABLE HERE, SO I GUESS I WOULD SERVE EITHER WAY. I ALREADY HAVE THE THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IN THE TWO POSITIONS IS THAT IF THERE'S A FULL STAFF HERE, THEN YOU DON'T VOTE, BUT YOU'RE ABLE TO ASK QUESTIONS. YOU HEAR ALL THE INFORMATION, YOU'RE ABLE TO INVESTIGATE ANYTHING OR OF INTEREST. YOU STILL CAN DO WHAT YOU WOULD DO AS A FULL MEMBER. SO EITHER WAY, TO ME, IT WOULD BE THE SAME CONTRIBUTION OF WHAT I COULD CONTRIBUTE. MANY TIMES THERE WAS NOT A FULL STAFF, SO I VOTED AND I'M ONE OF THE MAYBE THE ONLY ONES THAT'S HERE ALL YEAR ROUND. I DON'T LEAVE IN THE SUMMERTIME, SO I HAVE A 12 MONTH INTEREST AND VIEW OF WHAT GOES ON IN NAPLES AND. WHAT I WHAT I WOULD CONTRIBUTE IS WHAT I ALWAYS WOULD CONTRIBUTE IS TO BE CURIOUS AND TO BE. TO, TO, TO BRING IDEAS OR TO SUPPORT GOOD THINGS AND TO QUESTION THINGS THAT ARE QUESTIONABLE. I THINK THAT'S THE BEST YOU CAN DO AS AN ADVISORY BOARD. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T YOU DON'T MAKE THE DECISIONS. IT'S JUST YOUR ABILITY TO, TO WEIGH IN ON THINGS AND, AND ASK QUESTIONS SO THAT YOU GET THAT PEOPLE CAN SEE ON THE RECORD WHAT, WHAT, WHAT REALLY PEOPLE WHO COME BEFORE US ON PROJECTS, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THEIR REAL INTENTIONS ARE. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR APPLYING. THANK YOU FOR SERVING IN THE PRIOR PROCESS AND I WISH YOU LUCK. THANK YOU. IF NO OTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK TODAY. WE, OF COURSE REMEMBER THE INTERVIEW FROM LAST MONTH, SO WE'LL TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND MAKE THE DECISIONS ON WEDNESDAY. THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. OUR NEXT APPLICANT IS LUKE FREDERIKSEN. DO YOU MIND IF I STAND. YOU CAN STAND IF YOU PREFER. YEAH. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. IF YOU STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. LUKE FREDERIKSEN. I LIVE AT 1226 14TH AVENUE NORTH IN LAKE PARK. DO YOU WANT ME TO JUST GO IN TO KIND OF SHARE ANY INTRODUCTORY COMMENTS YOU HAVE ON WHY YOU'D LIKE TO SERVE ON THE PAB? SURE. I GREW UP HERE IN NAPLES, WENT TO NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL, WENT AWAY FOR UNDERGRAD AND POST-GRAD, AND DECIDED TO COME BACK AND LIVE HERE AND RAISE MY FAMILY HERE. OVER THE YEARS, I'VE. I SERVED, I BELIEVE, AS THREE OR FULL TERM ON THE CRABB BOARD. AS HEAD CHAIR, I SERVED EIGHT YEARS ON THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. FINISHED THAT MY FINAL TERM THERE AS THE VICE CHAIR TO CHAIR RUBY. SO I FEEL THAT THIS WOULD BE A NATURAL PROGRESSION. I TERMED OUT OF THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, WHICH IS VERY REWARDING FOR ME, BUT I THINK THIS WOULD BE A NATURAL PROGRESSION OF HOW I CAN USE MY [00:25:02] KNOWLEDGE AND, AND EXPERIENCE TO FURTHER DONATE TIME AND HELP THE CITY OF NAPLES GROW. GREAT. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. COUNCIL QUESTIONS. COUNCILMAN SCHULTZ, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY OR THINK THAT THE BIGGEST ISSUES COMING UP BEFORE THE PAB ARE GOING TO BE, AND HOW WOULD YOUR INFLUENCE ON THOSE DECISIONS BE DIFFERENT THAN YOUR COLLEAGUES? WELL, I THINK YOU NEED TO APPROACH THESE THINGS AS AS YOU HAVE TO KEEP EVERYBODY'S PROPERTY RIGHTS IN MIND WHEN YOU MAKE DECISIONS, ESPECIALLY WITH PLANNING, NOT ONLY HOW IT AFFECTS THE RIGHTS OF THE HOMEOWNER, BUT THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES. OBVIOUSLY, GROWTH IS IS A IS. WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL CITY AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE HERE. SO PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME. AND SO YOU NEED TO ACCOMMODATE THEM. YOU NEED TO DO IT THOUGHTFULLY. YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO. SAME WITH THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, WHICH I REALLY ENJOY BEING ON. YOU HAVE TO CREATE THOUGHTFUL DESIGN AND THOUGHTFUL GROWTH THAT'S STILL COMPLEMENTS KIND OF A HARKEN BACK TO THE OLD SMALL CITY OF NAPLES. BUT WE'RE GROWING AND WE'RE WE'RE A LARGER CITY, BUT I THINK WE'RE GROWING RESPONSIBLY. I THINK THE DECISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO DATE ARE RESPONSIBLE. AND I THINK PROOF IS IN THE FACT THAT TONS OF PEOPLE STILL WANT TO LIVE IN THE CITY OF NAPLES AND MOVE HERE. SO I THINK IT'S YOU NEED TO JUST BE RESPONSIBLE AND THOUGHTFUL ABOUT HOW IT'S PLANNED OUT, BUT YOU NEED TO KEEP AN OPEN MIND WITH THAT. AND THAT POPULATION IS GROWING AND YOU NEED TO ACCOMMODATE THE POPULATION. HAVE YOU LOOKED AT THE OVERALL COMP PLAN? I'VE BRIEFLY REVIEWED THE OUTLINE OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I'VE NOT GONE INTO DEPTH OF OF EVERY DETAIL OF IT. BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK OVERALL IT'S IT'S IT'S A GOOD PLAN, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE AGAIN, YOU JUST KIND OF HAVE TO THINK OF ALL THE RESIDENTS AND HOW IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY. DID YOU PARTICIPATE IN THE 24 NAPLES 2045 PROCESS? I DID NOT KNOW. 2045. NO, I DID NOT. I WAS ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DO IT ONLINE. THERE WERE TWO ACTUALLY FOR LIVE SESSION SESSIONS. DID YOU CAN. I BELIEVE I WAS, I TRAVELED QUITE A BIT. I BELIEVE I WAS OUT OF THE COUNTRY. TAKE YOUR COMPUTER WITH YOU. I'M SORRY. DID YOU TAKE YOUR COMPUTER WITH YOU? YES, I DID, TO RUN MY BUSINESS. THANK YOU. YES. COUNCILMAN KRAMER, THANKS FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOU AND EVERYTHING YOU'VE ALREADY DONE FOR THE CITY. SO AS SOON AS YOU SAID GROWTH. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, BECAUSE IT'S IN YOUR RESUME, TELL US WHAT YOU DO FOR A LIVING. I'M A GENERAL CONTRACTOR. YEAH. SO YOU'RE A BAD GUY TO A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU. SURE. HERE'S WHAT'S FUNNY TO ME. THE PEOPLE WHO EVER DEVELOPED THEIR HOME ISN'T A BAD GUY. WHOEVER BUILT THE RESTAURANT THEY EAT AT ISN'T A BAD GUY. WHOEVER PROVIDED WHATEVER AMENITIES THEY LIKE IN TOWN. THEY'RE NOT BAD GUYS. IT'S JUST THE PEOPLE THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW OR WHATEVER. THEY'RE THE BAD GUYS. THAT'S ALWAYS INTERESTING TO ME. PEOPLE SAY DEVELOPERS, IF WITH THIS BROAD BRUSH THAT THEY'RE ALL HERE TO BLOW UP OUR CITY. AND THAT'S NOT THE CASE. DEVELOPERS THAT I KNOW THAT HAVE LIVED HERE AND RAISED THEIR KIDS HERE AND BEEN HERE LONGER THAN THE PEOPLE WHO DON'T LIKE THEM. ARE JUST AS CONCERNED ABOUT KEEPING SMALL TOWN CHARM. I HAVE TO DO THIS BECAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT ACTUALLY MEANS. IT MEANS A SWAMP BUGGY PARADE TO ME, BUT OTHERS DON'T THINK THAT. SO IT MEANS A GULFSHORE PLAYHOUSE TO OTHERS. SMALL TOWN CHARM. SO. I JUST WANT TO KNOW THIS BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TOLD. I'VE TALKED TO A WHOLE BUNCH OF FOLKS, LIKE I SAID, BEEN HERE FOR A GENERATION OR TWO. WHO ARE THE DEVELOPERS, GCS, THOSE THINGS AND ALL THAT UNIVERSALLY. I HAVEN'T HEARD ONE PERSON SAY ANYTHING DIFFERENT THAT ALL THEY REALLY WANT OUT OF. I SHOULDN'T SAY ALL THEY REALLY WANT. THEIR TOP PRIORITY IS SPECIFICITY IN THE CODE. IS THAT THE CASE FOR YOU? IS IT SPECIFICITY? IS AMBIGUITY YOUR ENEMY? YES, YES. CERTAINLY IS. WHEN? YEAH, WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO GET THROUGH PERMITTING, PLANNING, DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS, WHEN THERE ISN'T SOMETHING TO HANG YOUR HAT ON CAN BE DETRIMENTAL TO, TO EVERYONE. SO BECAUSE YOU NEED TO COMMUNICATE, EVERYONE NEEDS TO BE ON THE SAME PAGE. THEY NEED TO KNOW THIS IS, THIS IS THE CODE, THIS IS HOW WE NEED TO FOLLOW IT. THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. SO ABSOLUTELY SPECIFICITY IS IS AN ISSUE WITH [00:30:03] WITH THAT PROCESS. AND OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT DEVELOPMENT HERE HAS BEEN RESPONSIBLE. I THINK IT'S ENHANCED THE CITY. AND YOU KNOW IT'S IT'S I'VE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS SITTING ON THESE MULTIPLE BOARDS FOR THE CITY WITH RESIDENTS. YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS HEAR WE'RE GOING TO TURN INTO MIAMI. WE'RE GOING TO TURN INTO THE EAST COAST. THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE. THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, THERE'S CODES IN PLACE NOW, YOU KNOW, THREE STORY MAX, MULTI-LEVEL, YOU KNOW, MULTI-USE BUILDINGS. THEY'RE BEAUTIFUL. THEY'RE DONE. WELL, THEY ENHANCE, ENHANCE THE WALKABILITY FOR PEDESTRIANS. THEY ENHANCE THE VIEWS. IT JUST, YOU KNOW, I TRY TO EXPLAIN TO THEM, IT DOESN'T HAPPEN. IT CAN'T HAPPEN HERE BECAUSE IT'S NOT ALLOWED TO. SO AND I, AND I AGREE WITH THAT. YOU KNOW, WE STILL WANT TO STAY, YOU KNOW, WITH THAT KIND OF SMALL, SMALL CHARM. BUT WE'RE WE'RE NOT SO SMALL ANYMORE. SO YEAH, I THINK THE CHALLENGE WILL BE. WHAT'S HAPPENING JUST OUTSIDE OUR BORDERS. THAT'S, THAT'S THE CHALLENGE. AND I'M WONDERING IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT. AND IN TERMS OF WHAT THE. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING TO BE CAN DO ABOUT THAT. I'M SURE THAT YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY STATING A CERTAIN PROJECT RIGHT OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, A NUMBER OF THEM THAT ARE IN THE PIPELINE. I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH THAT. AND THAT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS I HAVE WITH PEOPLE THAT GO LOOK AT THAT. THAT'S NOT IN THE CITY OF NAPLES. WE DON'T HAVE CONTROL OF THAT. I WISH WE DID. I THINK INITIALLY FOR THAT PROJECT, THEY WERE WORKING IN TANDEM WITH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY WAY AT THE BEGINNING STAGES, AND IT CHANGED IN A LOT OF THINGS. BUT THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PEOPLE POINT TO THAT AND SAY, THIS IS THIS IS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE CITY. AND I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT'S THAT'S NOT THE CITY. I THINK COUNCIL DOES AN AMAZING JOB. I THINK PAB DOES AN AMAZING JOB. THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, MAKING SURE WE'RE GROWING RESPONSIBLY AND AND ENHANCING OUR EXISTING BEAUTY. AND, YOU KNOW, I AGREE THAT MASSIVE BUILDINGS DON'T REALLY HAVE A PLACE IN THE CITY. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ONE LAST THING. DO YOU IN YOUR TRAVELS, GIVEN YOU'VE GOT EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE IN THE DIFFERENT COMMITTEES AND SERVING THE CITY, DO YOU HAVE ANY RELATIONS WITH ANYBODY IN THE COUNTY PLANNING OR BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS REALM AT ALL? DO YOU HAVE ANY CONTACTS THERE AS FAR AS BEING THE BUSINESS I RUN, I MEAN, I DO EXTENSIVE PERMITTING IN BOTH THE COUNTY AND THE CITY OF NAPLES. AS FAR AS SPEAKING TO PERMITTING DEPARTMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I CERTAINLY DO COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, COUNTY COMMISSIONERS OR THINGS NOT NOT REALLY. I DON'T HAVE ANY YOU KNOW, I DON'T SPEAK TO THEM VERY OFTEN OR NOR DO I GO IN FRONT OF THEM VERY OFTEN. I DON'T DO MASSIVE DEVELOPMENTS. WE'RE MAINLY CUSTOM HOME BUILDERS, YOU KNOW, LARGE RENOVATIONS FOR RESIDENTIAL HOMES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE DON'T WE DON'T REALLY DO A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT PER SE. SO YOU DO CONFIRM THAT YOU'VE GONE THROUGH THE PROCESSING IN THE IN THE BOWELS OF THE PLANNING AND PERMITS AND ALL THAT. YOU'VE GOT ABSOLUTELY A LOT OF EXPERIENCE. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THAT QUALIFIES ME. AND I THINK IF YOU, IF YOU LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE NICE THING FOR YOU IS COUNCIL IS YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY WHERE I STAND BECAUSE I HAVE TEN YEARS, MORE THAN TEN YEARS OF BOARDS. SO I'M ON CAMERA. YOU CAN SEE WHERE I STAND ON CERTAIN ISSUES. I COMPLETELY, YOU KNOW, I, I'M, I'M THE PRACTICAL GUY THAT CAN COME TO THE BOARD WITH PRACTICAL KNOWLEDGE SAYING, LISTEN, YOU KNOW, ON DRB YOU WOULD SEE ME DO IT A LOT. LISTEN, IF WE MAKE THEM DO THIS, IT'S GOING TO HOLD THEM UP FOR THREE MONTHS UNNECESSARILY. WHEN WE COULD MAKE THIS A CONDITION OR SO. I'M INTRICATELY INVOLVED WITH THE PERMITTING PROCESS AND WHAT'S REQUIRED. THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR. THANK YOU. SURE. I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. OKAY. LATER ON IN OUR AGENDA, WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE DRB PROCESS AND HOW THAT FITS INTO THE PEB AND COUNCIL, THE DECISIONS, AND YOU AND YOUR ROLE MAYBE HAVE A UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE. HAVING WORKED THROUGH THAT THE LAST FEW YEARS, AS FAR AS DO, I GUESS THERE'S A PROPOSAL TO MAYBE CHANGE THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARDS REVIEW TO EITHER JUST A PRELIMINARY REVIEW OR JUST A FINAL REVIEW, OR KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS. DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THE I DO THE BEST WAY SPECIFIC THOUGHTS. I WAS MYSELF AND CHAIR RUBY AND A FEW OTHER BOARD MEMBERS ON THAT BOARD WERE INSTRUMENTAL WITH THIS NEW DESIGN REVIEW HANDBOOK. WE HAD MANY WORKSHOPS AND SPENT A LOT [00:35:02] OF TIME. WHAT IS. I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO COUNCIL YET, BUT IT'S ALMOST THERE. I KNOW YOU PRELIMINARY APPROVED IT AND WE'RE WORKING ON. AS FAR AS I KNEW, GRAPHICS AND THINGS FOR THE FOR THE BOOK ITSELF, THE PURPOSE, OUR PURPOSE. AND I'M ONLY SPEAKING FOR MYSELF. DON'T LET ME SPEAK FOR THE BOARD. BUT BUT GENERALLY WE. THE POINT WE. WE WANT THE PRELIMINARY TO BE THE MORE EXTENSIVE PRESENTATION AND OUR. OUR GOAL WAS. THEN WHEN YOU COME BACK FOR FINAL. IT'S MORE OF A MINOR, VERY MINOR TWEAKS TO THEN GAIN FINAL APPROVAL TO REFLECT OUR COMMENTS IN THE PRELIMINARY. THAT THAT WAS OUR THAT WAS OUR GOAL MOVING FORWARD. AND AS WE REWROTE THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD HANDBOOK IS THE PRELIMINARY IS KIND OF THE KEY WHERE WE. WE GET THE PRESENTATION, WE GIVE OUR FEEDBACK. AND THEN ONCE ONCE YOU COME TO THE FINAL, IT'S PRETTY MUCH WE'RE ALL IN AGREEMENT THAT IT'S HOW WE WANT IT TO BE. AND THERE MAY BE A FEW LITTLE TWEAKS TO THAT, BUT THAT, THAT THAT'S KIND OF THE PROCESS THAT WE WERE LEANING TOWARD SOME THINGS. I MEAN, NOW, NOW WE WERE WE ARE ALSO CATEGORIZING. CATEGORIZING THE SCOPE OF A PROJECT. SO IF YOU WANT TO PUT AWNINGS ON YOUR BUILDING OR PAINT YOUR BUILDING, OF COURSE, WE DON'T WANT TO PULL RESIDENTS AND BUSINESS OWNERS INTO THIS MASSIVE, ARDUOUS PROCESS. SO THAT WOULD BE LIKE A LOWER TIER WHERE MAYBE PRELIMINARY AND FINAL IS THE SAME MEETING. YOU KNOW, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE'RE ALL WE ALL LIKE THAT PAINT COLOR AND IT LOOKS NICE OR THOSE AWNINGS AND WE CAN GIVE YOU APPROVAL NOW. SO YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND GET THAT SCHEDULED. THEN OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THINGS FOR, I THINK MY FIRST DESIGN REVIEW BOARD MEETING WAS THE BEACH CLUB. SO THAT WAS JUMPING BOTH FEET IN, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT PROCESS, WHICH IS, IS THERE STILL COMING BACK, I THINK WITH MINOR CHANGES. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT THAT OBVIOUSLY THAT IS A MASSIVE PROJECT WHERE THEY'RE COMING BACK MULTIPLE TIMES AND THEY EXPECT TO DO THAT. BUT YEAH, I THINK THAT OUR, OUR GOAL WAS THE PRELIMINARY IS EXTENSIVE AND THE FINAL IS MORE JUST KIND OF A POLISHING OF, OF NOT ONLY DESIGN, BUT IF YOU HAD, YOU KNOW, RESIDENT FEEDBACK ON SOME THINGS THAT THEY WANTED TO ACCOMMODATE. WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE THAT A LOT OF THESE LARGE, LARGER COMPANIES WOULD WERE VERY OPEN TO ACCOMMODATING NEIGHBORS. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. THANKS AND THANKS FOR YOUR YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE CITY. IT'S CLEAR YOU LOVE NAPLES AND WANT TO HELP MAKE IT BETTER. AND THANKS FOR BEING WILLING TO SIGN UP AND DO IT AGAIN. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT APPLICANT IS GARY HAYNES. AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO SIT OR STAND, WHICHEVER YOU PREFER. OKAY. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, GARY HAYNES. HOW ARE YOU? I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF THE CITY FOR ABOUT 12 YEARS. I'VE BEEN IN NAPLES 25 YEARS. I HAVE FAMILY THAT HAS BEEN IN APRIL, THE CITY OF NAPLES SINCE THE EARLY 70S. MY WIFE WAS BORN IN THE CITY OF NAPLES. MY CHILDREN ATTEND SCHOOL IN THE CITY OF NAPLES. I AM THE DEVELOPER. I AM THE GC. I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BAD THING TO HAVE A LITTLE VARIETY ON BOARDS. I SERVE ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING COMMITTEE FOR THE COUNTY. I SERVE ON THE DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPER ADVISORY SERVICES COMMITTEE FOR COLLIER COUNTY AS WELL. I PLAY THAT PART AS DEVELOPER AND GC ON THOSE BOARDS AND GIVE MY INSIGHT ON THOSE. YOU KNOW, I LIVE IN THE CITY. THERE'S A REASON WHY I LIVE IN THE CITY. I LOVE THE CITY. I LOVE WHAT IT'S DONE. IT'S CHANGED A LOT IN THE 25 YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN IN TOWN. AS WE ALL KNOW, SOME HAVE BEEN GOOD, SOME HAVE BEEN BAD. I JUST FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, THE EXPERIENCE I HAVE AS BEING A DEVELOPER AND A GC CAN GIVE A DIFFERENT INSIGHT INTO A LOT OF THE DECISIONS THAT NEED TO BE MADE IN THE TOWN. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN BARTON, JUST A LITTLE CLARIFICATION REALLY, MORE THAN ANYTHING, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU ACCIDENTALLY PUT YOUR WORK ADDRESS AS YOUR PERSONAL ADDRESS. DID I OKAY, I THINK I CHANGED THAT ONE WITH DIANA PREVIOUSLY. WHERE ARE YOU? IN THE CITY. 277 12TH STREET NORTH. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ONE MORE QUESTION, IF YOU DON'T MIND. SURE. YOUR COMPANY. YOU SAID YOU'RE A GC. WHAT? WHAT TYPE OF WORK DO YOU DO PRIMARILY OR DO YOU GENERALIST OR DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING SPECIFIC? WE DO A LITTLE GENERAL. I WOULD SAY MORE. THE LAST TEN YEARS HAS BEEN MORE APARTMENT BUILDING AND, AND SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. DO YOU DO A LOT OF WORK WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS? NOT VERY OFTEN. NO. I, A COUPLE HOUSES, COUPLE, YOU KNOW, JOBS FOR, YOU KNOW, [00:40:06] BUSINESSES. BUT THE MAJORITY OF MY WORK IS IN THE COUNTY. WE GOT PROPERTY APPROVED. WE GO THROUGH THE WHOLE APPROVAL PROCESS, DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE COMMISSIONERS, WITH THEM QUITE OFTEN THROUGHOUT THE PROCESS. SO FROM BEGINNING TO END WE HANDLE. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND I APPRECIATE YOU PARTICIPATING IN THIS PROCESS. THANK YOU. AND APPLYING FOR THE POSITION. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? COUNCILMAN KRAMER? WELL, ASKED, MR. FREDERICK, I SUPPOSE I SHOULD ASK YOU TO SEE IF I KEEP BATTING A THOUSAND. HERE IS THE TOP PRIORITY, IN YOUR VIEW, FOR WHATEVER COMES OUT OF OUR CODE COMP PLAN. SPECIFICITY. ABSOLUTELY. YOU KNOW, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, FROM THE COUNTY SIDE OR I SAY I DO A LOT OF OUR WORK. THERE'S A LOT OF AMBIGUITY IN THE COUNTY, AND THAT LEAVES A LOT OF ROOM TO GET THINGS THROUGH. IT IS LEGAL, YOU KNOW, THE RULES ARE THE RULES. BUT WHEN THERE IS THAT AMBIGUITY, YOU KNOW, YOU ARE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, GET THINGS THROUGH THAT YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH IN THE END, YOU KNOW, IF THE RULES ARE THE RULES ARE BLACK AND WHITE. WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE'RE PLAYING WITH. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR APPLYING AND I'M WILLING TO SERVE. HAVE A GOOD MEETING. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT APPLICANT IS JOHN LANGLEY. GOOD MORNING. IF YOU COULD START OFF WITH YOUR NAME AND REASONS WHY YOU'RE WILLING TO SERVE ON THE PLANNING BOARD. I'M JOHN LANGLEY. I LIVE AT 5155 SANDHILL LANE, WHICH IS IN THE SEAGATE AREA OF TOWN, NORTH, VERY NORTH END OF TOWN. AS MOST OF YOU KNOW, I, I, I WAS UNSUCCESSFUL ON BID FOR CITY COUNCIL TO SIT WHERE YOU WERE. BUT DURING THAT PROCESS, I BECAME ACQUAINTED WITH THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY THE CITY HAS TO OFFER. I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 24 YEARS AND WAS ABSOLUTELY IGNORANTLY IN BLISS BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW A LOT OF STUFF THAT WAS GOING ON, HOW THINGS WORKED AND THAT SORT OF THING. MY WIFE'S BEEN HERE FOR 55 YEARS AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. AND I'M RETIRED AND I CAN FEEL LIKE I CAN MAKE NAPLES A BETTER PLACE. YOU KNOW, I'VE READ THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WENT TO A COUPLE OF WORKSHOPS AND IN MY, MY, MY REAL CONCERN, AND I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, IS THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ACTIONABLE ITEMS INCLUDED IN IT. I'D LIKE TO SEE THERE BE MORE ACTIONABLE ITEMS. I KNOW IT'S JUST THE BLUEPRINT, BUT BLUEPRINTS ARE PLANS, AND PLANS INCLUDE DETAILS. LIVING IN SEAGATE, I'VE REALLY FELT LIKE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS BEEN DISENFRANCHIZED FROM THE CITY BECAUSE NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING. I MEAN, I'M NOT SAYING PEOPLE DON'T, BUT THE RESIDENTS REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT FROM SOMETHING LIKE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND I THINK WE NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE RESIDENTS TO LET THEM KNOW THAT, YES, WE HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT YOU AND THIS IS WHAT YOU KNOW, WE THINK WE NEED TO DO IN YOUR PARTICULAR AREA OF TOWN. YOU KNOW, OVER THE YEARS, LIVING IN NAPLES WAS SOMETHING SPECIAL. BUT IT'S BECOMING VERY OBLIQUE AS FAR AS WHAT LIVING IN NAPLES MEANS. A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT MOVE HERE DON'T KNOW THAT NAPLES IS NAPLES, AND THE REST OF THE COUNTY IS NOT NAPLES, BUT IT IS NAPLES. SO, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE CITY REALLY TRY TO HONE IN ON CREATING AN IDENTITY FOR ITSELF THAT KIND OF SEPARATES US FROM THE REST OF THE CITY. SO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GETTING WHEN YOU SAY YOU WANT TO MOVE TO OLD NAPLES OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE'VE GOT A LITTLE BIT MORE RESTRICTIONS AS FAR AS BUILDING AND WHAT TO EXPECT MOVING FORWARD. BUT I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. LANGLEY? YES, COUNCILMAN SCHULTZ, MR. LANGLEY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR APPLICATION AND WILLINGNESS TO SERVE ON THE PAB. A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT HAVE GIVEN ME PAUSE. OUR LAST DIGITS OF YOUR PHONE NUMBER, 0950. YES. DO YOU EVER RECALL SENDING ME A TEXT? DID I WHAT? EVER RECALL SENDING ME A TEXT? YES. YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TEXTED BACK AND FORTH SEVERAL TIMES. TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 3RD AT 9:06 P.M. DO YOU REMEMBER TEXTING ME THAT EVENING? NOT REALLY. I MEAN, I'LL READ, QUOTE. YOU CALLED ME A COMMUNIST. YEAH, I SAID SEEK HELP. YOU SAID LET'S DO IT. AND THEN SAID, YOU'RE COMPLETELY [00:45:07] SAYING SCHULTZ IS A CROOK. DO YOU BELIEVE I'M A COMMUNIST? AND A SUM OF YOUR ACTIONS IS WARRANTED THERE? YES. FAIR ENOUGH. AND I FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT, YEAH. A COMMUNIST, A COMMUNIST. SERIOUSLY. MAYBE YOU OUGHT TO SAY WHAT YOU CALLED ME IN THOSE TEXTS. I'M NOT GOING TO GET IN A MATCH WITH YOU. THERE IS NONE THERE. YEAH, THIS IS APPROPRIATE. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING. I'M LOOKING FOR DEMEANOR AND CHARACTER. POINT OF ORDER, CHAIR. THIS IS NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING. THERE'S NO LET'S LET'S KEEP PERSONAL THINGS OUT OF THIS AND JUST TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES. YOU'RE GOING TO REPRESENT THE CITY ON THE BOARD. YOU COMPORT YOURSELF. THANK YOU. COUNSELOR PENMAN. YOU HAVE A QUESTION, MR. LANGLEY? YOU CAN LIVE IN WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED SORT OF A VULNERABLE PLACE IN THE CITY. WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS RELATIVE TO RESILIENCY? HOW WOULD YOU RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL ADDRESS RESILIENCY, SAVING YOUR HOME, SAVING THE HOMES IN YOUR AREAS, THAT TYPE OF THOSE CONCERNS? THERE WAS A STUDY DONE AT A CORN AND LEE WAS ONE OF THOSE PLANS. THEY DID THE THE BASIN STUDY, THE CITY OF NAPLES AND AND THE SEAGATE AREA WAS COMPLETELY LEFT OFF OF IT. SO I'M NOT AN ENGINEER. I KNOW THE SEAWALLS ARE PROBABLY TOO SHORT TO TO, TO INADEQUATE FOR THE AREA BECAUSE THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD FLOODED, YOU KNOW, THE THERE HAS BEEN QUITE A BIT OF WORK DONE ON THE BEACH OUT IN FRONT OF CLAM PASS TO, TO HELP MAYBE KEEP THE WATER FROM COMING IN AS FAST AS IT DID, BUT I, I DO THINK THE RESIDENTS THERE NEED TO KNOW THAT THEY'RE BEING LOOKED AT, YOU KNOW, AND, AND ARE INCLUDED IN ANYTHING THE CITY DOES AS FAR AS RESILIENCY IS CONCERNED. BUT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY THOUGHTS RELATIVE TO WHERE YOU MIGHT MAKE SUGGESTIONS RELATIVE TO RESILIENCY IN THE CITY? I DON'T REALLY KNOW UNLESS WE RAISED THE, THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE PROPERTIES. THERE'S STILL QUITE A FEW OLDER HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE LIKE AT 8.5FT AND THEY'RE GOING TO FLOOD NO MATTER WHAT. IF WE GET ANOTHER SURGE LIKE WE WE HAD DURING HURRICANE IAN. I THINK, YOU KNOW, THE THE SEAWALLS, IF THERE ARE SEAWALLS, A LOT OF THE HOMES STILL HAVE THE BRICK RIPRAP AND DON'T HAVE SEAWALLS. THERE'S NO ON SEVERAL OF THE STREETS, THERE'S NO DRAINAGE. SO OUR STREETS FLOOD WITH EVEN JUST A SMALL RAINSTORM, YOU KNOW, AND PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT TYPE OF STUFF BEING DONE. PUT IN A STORM SEWER UNDER THERE, MAKING THE HOME NEW HOMES COMPLY WITH, YOU KNOW, THE RUNOFF FROM THEIR PROPERTIES BECAUSE THE CITY DOESN'T WANT THE RAINWATER TO GO INTO THE SEWAGE SYSTEM, BUT THERE IS NO DRAINAGE SYSTEM EXCEPT ON A COUPLE OF STREETS IN SEAGATE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES. COUNCILMAN CARL, THANKS FOR CONTINUING TO RAISE YOUR HAND AND CONTRIBUTE. THAT'S THAT'S HONORABLE. THE QUESTION. ARE YOU DO YOU THINK RIPRAP SHOULD BE REPLACED WITH SEAWALLS? IS THAT PARTICULARLY. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT THE ENGINEERING DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO. I'VE GOT PART RIP RAP PART SEAWALL IN MINE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF ONE'S BETTER THAN THE OTHER. I THINK THEY JUST NEED TO BE RAISED RIGHT. YOU KNOW, I, I RAISED WHEN I PUT A SEAWALL IN HALFWAY ACROSS ME, I RAISED IT THE HIGHEST I COULD POSSIBLY RAISE IT. BUT MY NEIGHBOR'S SEAWALL IS THREE FEET LOWER. SO IT REALLY DOESN'T DO ME ANY GOOD TO RAISE MINE WHEN HIS IS LOWER. YEAH. YOU KNOW, I, I THINK THERE JUST NEEDS TO BE SOME UNIFORMITY IN THERE BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE GONE A LONG WAY TOWARDS KEEPING THE WATER FROM THE CANALS COMING INTO THE. AND OUR, MY YARD DIDN'T FLOOD FROM THE BACKYARD. IT FLOODED FROM THE DOWN THE STREET. AND YOU MENTIONED EARLIER THAT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU HAD SOME THINGS THAT SHOULD HAVE FELT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDED. I'M JUST CURIOUS WHAT. JUST SOME ACTIONABLE ITEMS. I MEAN, IT'S KIND OF A 10,000 FOOT LEVEL. MAYBE THAT'S WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE. OKAY. BUT I THINK BEHIND THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME ACTIONABLE ITEMS THAT SAY, THIS IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET HERE. AND, YOU KNOW, AND I WOULD LOVE TO WORK ON THAT. SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TO, TO GET TO THIS LOFTY IDEAL. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. AND I KNOW WE'RE DOING THINGS WITH THE, YOU KNOW, THE STORMWATER SYSTEM AND THAT SORT OF THING. WE'RE A LONG WAY OFF, I THINK, COMPLETING THAT PROJECT. BUT I THINK THERE'S SOME THINGS JUST TO PUT SOME RESIDENTS AT, YOU KNOW, TO EASE THEIR MINDS A LITTLE BIT THAT IT'S BEING LOOKED AT. AND THIS IS WHAT WE WANT TO DO FOR YOUR AREA OF TOWN. AND I, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S MANY TOWNS, MANY AREAS OF TOWN LIKE SEAGATE BECAUSE WE'RE ON THE WATER, YOU KNOW, AND IT'S, IT, IT WAS, IT WAS REALLY BAD DURING A COUPLE OF THE STORMS [00:50:06] THAT WE HAD A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. YEAH, IT WAS BAD IN MY AREA TOO. I'M WITH YOU THERE. I KNOW FIRSTHAND. SO BUT YOU KNOW, IT JUST GIVES YOU BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, LIKE NOTHING'S HAPPENED SINCE 2022. WE HAVEN'T NOTHING'S CHANGED IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'D BE NICE TO SEE SOMETHING AT LEAST TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE THE RESIDENTS A LITTLE CALMING EFFECT BY DOING THAT. I HAVE A CONDO IN GULF SHORE BOULEVARD. IT'S ON THE FIRST FLOOR. IT FLOODED, AND NOTHING'S REALLY BEEN SAID OVER THERE EITHER, AS FAR AS WHAT THEY'RE I MEAN, OUR CONDO IS PUTTING UP A WALL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT I KNOW IT'S KILLED PROPERTY VALUES OVER THERE. FIRST FLOOR UNITS ARE SELLING FOR 20% LESS THAN THE SECOND FLOOR UNITS. AND YOU KNOW, THAT HURTS, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. AND I JUST THINK WE NEED TO BUILD THE CONFIDENCE BACK WITH EVEN NEW PEOPLE COMING TO TOWN, THE CURRENT PEOPLE HERE THAT WE'RE DOING SOMETHING, WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, THIS ISSUE WITH THE PROVISO THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO BECAUSE WE'RE ON THE BEACH. SO I, I THINK JUST BEING MORE TRANSPARENT WITH THE RESIDENTS WOULD PUT THEM AT A, YOU KNOW, AT EASE A LOT MORE THAN WHAT THEY ARE. AND I'M ONE OF THOSE. THANK YOU JOHN. ALL RIGHT. THANKS A LOT FOR BEING HERE, BEING WILLING TO GET INVOLVED. I DON'T KNOW HOW THE VOTES ARE GOING TO GO ON WEDNESDAY, BUT REGARDLESS, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU AND YOUR FELLOW RESIDENTS OF SEAGATE TO GET EVEN BETTER ORGANIZED, MORE VOCAL. WE HAVE SOME NEIGHBORHOODS WHO ARE REALLY ORGANIZED WELL AND WE HEAR FROM THEM. STAFF HEARS FROM THEM FREQUENTLY ABOUT THEIR CONCERNS, THEIR ISSUES, AND, YOU KNOW, SPEAK UP SO THAT WE KNOW. UNFORTUNATELY, OUR BIGGEST BATTLE SEEMS TO BE WITH OUR NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH, OUTSIDE THE CITY. YEAH, OUTSIDE THE CITY. SO, YOU KNOW, WITH CLAM BAY AND THE GOINGS ON WITH THAT. SO YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHERE YOU GUYS HAVE GOTTEN INVOLVED IN ORGANIZING AND MAKING YOUR FEELINGS HEARD. AND SCOTT'S BEEN INVOLVED WITH THAT WITH, WITH DAVE. PAT WACK. YEAH, IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT IT. WE'RE TRYING TO GET MOBILIZED FOR THIS WATER THEME PARK THAT THEY'VE GOT GOING ON AND, YOU KNOW, NEXT DOOR. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE'RE DOING. BUT BUT I APPRECIATE THAT AND I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANKS. OUR NEXT APPLICANT IS SALLY PETERSON. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. THANKS FOR HAVING ME BACK. THANKS FOR BEING HERE AGAIN. WE OBVIOUSLY REMEMBER YOUR INTERVIEW WITH US A MONTH AGO. SO ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO ADD THAT'S CHANGED OR YOU WANT TO HIGHLIGHT SINCE THEN? YEAH, JUST HIGHLIGHT AND CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, JUST WANT TO REITERATE MY DESIRE TO SERVE ON THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT BOARD, HAS A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITY, AND I COME WITH A LOT OF EXPERIENCE. I, AS YOU KNOW, HAD SEVERAL YEARS IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR IN ANN ARBOR. I WAS A CITY COUNCIL MEMBER. I CHAIRED THE DISABILITY COMMISSION. I WAS ON THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, AND I WORKED AS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POLICY ADVISOR TO THE CITY ADMINISTRATOR AS WELL. I ALSO HAVE ABOUT 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE PRIOR TO THAT. IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, I WAS A MARKET RESEARCHER AND FOCUSED ON BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT AND BUSINESS STRATEGY. AND I THINK THOSE TWO SETS OF EXPERIENCES IN COMBINATION ARE SORT OF A UNIQUE THAT I BRING TO THE TABLE HERE. I, I'VE SORT OF IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR, REALLY UNDERSTOOD THE VALUE OF USING COMMON SENSE AND PRAGMATISM WHEN IT COMES TO MAKING DECISIONS. AND IT HAS ME BELIEVING THAT, YOU KNOW, LOCAL GOVERNANCE IS REALLY JUST THAT. IT SHOULDN'T BE ABOUT POLITICS, IT SHOULD BE ABOUT LOCAL GOVERNMENT, GOOD STEWARDSHIP AND USING COMMON SENSE IN MAKING DECISIONS. I ALSO WANT TO ADDRESS THE FACT THAT I BRING THIS OUTSIDE EXPERIENCE, I THINK IS IS VERY RELEVANT AND AGAIN, UNIQUE. I'M AWARE THERE MAY BE A CONCERN THAT I'VE ONLY LIVED IN NAPLES JUST LESS THAN FOUR YEARS. AND I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT AS SOON AS I GOT HERE, SOON AS WE STARTED LIVING HERE, I IMMERSED MYSELF IN NAPLES VERY DEEPLY AND VERY QUICKLY. WE JOINED THE BOTANICAL GARDENS. WE JOINED THE NAPLES ZOO, I JOINED GULF SHORE RUNNERS, WHICH IS HOW I MET TED. AND YOU WERE KIND ENOUGH TO HAVE COFFEE WITH ME BACK IN 2022. AND TWO YEARS AGO WAS THE FIRST TIME I ACTUALLY INTERVIEWED FOR THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. AND WHILE I WASN'T SELECTED AT THE TIME, I AT LEAST GOT MY NAME OUT THERE AND ATTRACTED THE ATTENTION OF THE NAPLES ASSOCIATION, AND I WAS ASKED TO JOIN THEIR BOARD, AND I JOINED THEIR BOARD AS THE [00:55:06] EVENT'S CHAIR, AGAIN, INVITING PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTY AND THE COMMUNITY TO COME SPEAK AT OUR COFFEES. AGAIN, GETTING TO KNOW PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY STEPPED OFF THEIR BOARD A LITTLE LESS THAN A YEAR AGO WHEN I MADE THE DECISION TO RUN FOR CITY COUNCIL. SO AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE I'VE IMMERSED MYSELF IN THE COMMUNITY HERE, UNDERSTANDING THE CULTURE AND UNDERSTANDING THE ISSUES THAT FACE NAPLES. AND THE FINAL THING I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY IS THERE ARE ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THERE'S A CONCERN THAT THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE FROM THE OLD NAPLES ASSOCIATION WHO ARE APPOINTED TO BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS. AND I REALLY FEEL LIKE THIS CONCERN IS UNFOUNDED. IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THE OLD NAPLES ASSOCIATION IS NOT A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. IT'S NOT JUST A NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION. IT'S A 500 AND 1C4 CIVIC LOBBYING ORGANIZATION AND CIVIC LOBBYING. IT DOES VERY, VERY WELL. BUT THE MAIN POINT IS THAT AND I KNOW WHAT THAT IS. BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE MAJORITY OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE MEMBERS OF THE OLD NAPLES ASSOCIATION, YET YOU DON'T LIVE IN OLD NAPLES. SO AGAIN, OLD NAPLES ASSOCIATION IS OPEN TO ALL RESIDENTS. AND THAT'S EXACTLY THE POINT THAT SERVING ALL RESIDENTS IN THE ROLE OF P, A, B, AND IN ANY BOARD AND COMMISSION IS SORT OF THE NAME OF THE GAME. AND PUTTING RESIDENTS FIRST AT THE TOP OF OUR ORGANIZATIONAL CHART. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN KRAMER, DID YOU SAY THE MAJORITY OF CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS OR RESIDENTS ARE ON A MEMBERS, THE MAJORITY OF CITY COUNCIL? YES. FIVE OUT OF SEVEN MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL ARE MEMBERS OF THE OLD NAPLES ASSOCIATION. AGAIN, WE'RE NOT. SO A NEIGHBORHOOD DECIDED. IS THAT ON ME? IT'S NOT. IT IS ON YOU. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE INVITED. INVITED, INVITED. ANYONE WHO HAS A HOME, ANYONE WHO OWNS PROPERTY OR OWNS A HOME IN NAPLES, YOU'RE MISSING OUT THERE. WELL. WHO KNEW? YOU DO NOT NEED TO LIVE IN FIVE OF US KNEW. THAT'S CORRECT. COACH, YOU AND I ARE JUST ANTISOCIAL. I GUESS THAT WHAT IT IS. WE WELCOME. YOU ALL ARE WELCOME. YES. COUNCILMAN BARTON SALIH, THANK YOU AGAIN FOR FOR PARTICIPATING IN THIS, AND I, I APPLAUD YOU FOR RUNNING FOR COUNCIL AND AND THEN TURNING AROUND AND MAKING AN EFFORT HERE WITH YOU'RE A GLUTTON FOR PUNISHMENT. BUT AGAIN, I APPLAUD I APPLAUD YOU FOR DOING IT. IF YOU WOULD JUST. AND I, AND I KNOW YOU'VE TOUCHED ON THIS, BUT IF YOU COULD JUST EXPAND, EXPOUND A LITTLE BIT ON, YOU MENTIONED A DESIRE TO SERVE, YOU KNOW, JUST A CATALYST, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S, WHAT'S, WHAT'S DRIVING YOU AND YOUR EFFORTS ON THIS ENGAGEMENT WITH THE, WITH THE COMMUNITY, WITH, WITH, WITH THE CITY OF NAPLES. IT'S IN MY BLOOD. MY FATHER WAS AN EPISCOPAL PRIEST AND I GREW UP IN A RECTORY, CHURCH, RECTORY. AND I SAW MY DAD AS A COMMUNITY LEADER. AND IT'S JUST SOMETHING I'VE ALWAYS DONE. AND IT'S JUST THE DESIRE TO SERVE AND BE A GOOD PUBLIC SERVANT. AGAIN, I THINK IT'S ABOUT GOVERNANCE. IT'S NOT ABOUT POLITICS, BUT IT'S MAKING SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE HEARD. AND I GUESS THE SECOND PIECE OF IT, IN MY PRIVATE SECTOR EXPERIENCE, THE SPECIFIC MARKET RESEARCH I DID WAS ON VOICE OF THE CUSTOMER RESEARCH AND UNDERSTANDING REALLY WHAT MOTIVATES DECISION MAKING ON THE PART OF CUSTOMERS AND WHAT THEIR PREFERENCES ARE. AND I WOULD SAY THAT RESIDENTS OF NAPLES OR CUSTOMERS OF THE CITY AS WELL, AND THAT'S WHY RESIDENT VOICES ARE REALLY SHOULD BE AT THE TOP OF THE ORGANIZATIONAL CHART AS THEY ARE. AND SO IT'S A COMBINATION OF HOW I GREW UP, WHAT'S BEEN IN MY BLOOD AND UNDERSTANDING AND REALLY VALUING RESIDENT VOICES AS BEING PRIMARY. WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. YES, COUNCILOR SALIH, YOU'RE IN THE 376 FIRST AVENUE NORTH. YES, VERY NEAR THAT GULF OF MEXICO OUT THERE. YEAH. WHERE DO YOU STAND ON THE RESILIENCY SITUATION RELATIVE TO NAPLES? WHERE DO YOU THINK WE SHOULD BE AT THIS POINT? I FULLY SUPPORT THE RESILIENCY PLAN THAT CITY COUNCIL PASSED. I THINK IT WAS A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF AGO, AND I FULLY APPRECIATE HOW THE CONSULTANTS HAVE CREATED, EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T REQUIRED. THERE'S A WHOLE ELEMENT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ON RESILIENCY, AND IT'S NOT REQUIRED YET. IT'S INCLUDED, AND I THINK THAT'S SPOT ON. YEAH, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THE DESIRE FOR AND I KNOW THAT THE, THE, THE RESILIENCY PLAN [01:00:03] THAT THE CITY HAS ADOPTED IS VERY AMBITIOUS. IT HAS OFFSHORE, ONSHORE AND INLAND COMPONENTS TO IT. AND THAT SHOULD BE THE HALLMARK. I MEAN, I WOULD LOVE FOR THAT TO BE NAPLES LEGACY. I MEAN, JUST WE SHOULD BE THE MODEL RESILIENCY COASTAL COMMUNITY IN THE UNITED STATES. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES. COUNCILMAN KRAMER, I I'M GRATEFUL THAT YOU BROUGHT THAT UP BECAUSE WHEN I WHEN MR. LANGLEY WAS THERE, I WAS THINKING, WHAT? WE JUST WERE DOING IT LIKE WE ARE SO FAR AHEAD OF EVERYBODY. YEARS AHEAD OF EVERYBODY. AND IT'S SAD TO ME THAT. AND MY NEIGHBOR DOESN'T KNOW EITHER. YOU GOT TO TELL HIM, YOU KNOW WHERE WE LIVE. SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT. THAT'S IF IF THEY'RE. THAT'S THE WORKING CLASS WITH NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE WITH LOTS OF KIDS AND THEY'RE AT WORK RIGHT NOW, THEY'RE NOT COMING TO MEETINGS. THEY'RE NOT. THEY. I'VE, WE'VE GOT MORE PEOPLE, I THINK, TO ENGAGE IN THE PROCESS AND FILL OUT THE QUESTIONNAIRES, THAT SORT OF THING. BUT THEY'RE REALLY IT'S, THEY'RE NOT AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING IN TERMS OF RESILIENCY. AND. I CAN'T IMAGINE LIVING IN THE CITY OF NAPLES AND ESPECIALLY KNOWING THE CLIMATE, LIKE WHAT'S GOING ON ELSEWHERE. I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST MORE SHADE TREES IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEN THEY'LL APPRECIATE RESILIENCY. SO ANYWAY, THAT NOTWITHSTANDING, I DO I AND WE DO OUTREACH AND WE LIKE WE SENT, WE ACTUALLY SENT, YOU KNOW, SNAIL MAIL TO THE HOMES TO GET SURVEYS ANSWERED. WE'VE. SO IN MY I MEAN, MONIQUE DOES AN INCREDIBLE JOB OF TRYING TO INFORM AND MAKE OPPORTUNITIES AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE TO GET INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS. BUT ULTIMATELY, I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE INDIVIDUALS HAVING CONVERSATIONS WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS. IN THE END, I THINK WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING IS MAKING A CASE TO RESURRECT THE NEIGHBORHOOD PRIORITY PLANS, BECAUSE THAT BASICALLY TAKES THE COMPREHENSIVE, THE NAPLES 2045 AND PUTS IT IN THE HANDS OF NEIGHBORS AND RESIDENTS. AND IT DEVELOPS THAT. WE HEARD MR. LANGLEY TALK ABOUT ACTION PLANS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE 1999 PLANS, THEY ARE AN ACTION PLAN FOR EACH AND EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD, AND IT HAS THE POWER TO TAKE EVERY ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND MAKE IT LIVING AND BREATHING IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. YEAH. THAT'S TRUE. AND WE WERE HERE THEN, AND I WILL TELL YOU, OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WASN'T ACTUALLY A THING THEN THEY DIDN'T HAVE AN ASSOCIATION. SO THAT'S ONE REASON IT WAS IMPORTANT TO MAKE AN ASSOCIATION. HAVING SAID THAT, NOW THAT THAT'S DONE THAT, ALL THAT STUFF THAT THE NEIGHBORS THE NEIGHBORHOODS WANT HAS TO GET FUNDED. SO IT'S ONE THING TO MAKE THE ACTION PLAN. IT'S ANOTHER THING. AND I THINK OUR OUR CITY MANAGER WOULD AGREE, IT'S ANOTHER THING WHEN PEOPLE WANT WHATEVER THEY WANT TO ACTUALLY GET IT FUNDED. SO I THE OTHER ISSUE IS, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE FOUND OUT TOO, AS YOU KNOW, GOING TO THE FORUMS THAT WE HAD REGARDING THE COMP PLAN, THERE WAS A LOT OF TENSION IN BACK AND FORTH. YOU KNOW, OUR CONSULTANTS, WE HAD THIS CALENDAR, HAD TO MOVE IT TO THIS CALENDAR. WE WANTED TO MAKE IT FOR SURE. AND THEN PEOPLE DIDN'T PARTICIPATE. IT DIDN'T. YEAH. SO I AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT'S THEORETICALLY THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. IN PRACTICE. IT HASN'T BEEN. SO MAYBE THERE'S A BETTER WAY TO GO ABOUT IT. SO IN PRACTICE IT WILL. AND MAYBE THAT'S DOOR TO DOOR KNOCKING. I'VE DONE A LOT OF THAT TOO. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. SO MAYBE YOU COULD START OUR NEW DOOR TO DOOR KNOCKING COMMITTEE. OKAY. AND SHARE THAT BECAUSE I'M ALL FOR CREATING THAT FOR YOU. YOU KNOW, I, AGAIN, I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I GUESS 1% OF RESIDENTS SHOWED UP OR SUBMITTED ONLINE, BUT APPARENTLY THAT'S TYPICAL IN OTHER COMMUNITIES. THAT'S NOT MORE OR LESS THAN OTHERS. IT'S REALLY HARD TO GET PEOPLE TO SHOW UP. AND I THINK DOING IT ONLINE IS A GOOD WAY. I JUST FEEL LIKE THE COMMUNICATION FROM THE CITY MAYBE COULD BE BETTER. IT WAS JUST SATURDAY THAT I GOT MY FIRST EMAIL UPDATE. I HAD REGISTERED FOR UPDATES FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND ON SATURDAY, I GOT MY FIRST UPDATE THAT SAID THAT THERE ARE FOUR OPPORTUNITIES REMAINING TO SPEAK ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. ONE OF THEM IS THIS MORNING. ONE OF THEM IS AT THE MEETING ON MAY 13TH, AND THEN THERE'S GOING TO BE A MEETING, A COUNCIL HEARING IN JUNE AND ANOTHER ONE IN THE IN THE FALL. SO THERE'S ONLY BUT I ONLY LEARNED I MEAN, I JUST GOT THE EMAIL SATURDAY. I ACTUALLY ALREADY KNEW THIS BECAUSE I'VE BEEN RESEARCHING AND I'VE BEEN ON NAPLES 2045 AND I'VE BEEN SUBMITTING COMMENTS AND HAVEN'T HEARD BACK YET. IT'S, I'VE BEEN USING THE PLATFORM, BUT AGAIN, I'M ALREADY VERY ENGAGED CITIZEN, BUT FOR THOSE, I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE NEEDS TO BE MORE OUTREACH, WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, AND MAKE SURE THAT THESE OPPORTUNITIES ARE WELL KNOWN. CAN YOU GIVE ME. OKAY, SO HOW WOULD YOU DO THE OUTREACH? I'M SORRY. HOW WOULD YOU DO THE OUTREACH? I WOULD SEND WELL, THE CITY HAS [01:05:03] PARTICULARLY FOR THOSE WHO HAVE ALREADY SHOWN THEIR INTEREST IN ENGAGEMENT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE CITY HAS THE EMAIL ADDRESSES OF EVERY SINGLE PERSON, AND I THINK NEARLY I THINK IT WAS 1800 OF THEM SUBMITTED ONLINE COMMENTS. AND THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ALMOST 200, I GUESS, THAT WENT TO THE COMMUNITY MEETINGS. I WOULD START THERE WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY ENGAGED IN INTEREST. YOU HAVE ALL THE EMAILS. EMAIL THEM AND TELL THEM ABOUT THESE DATES. OR I WOULD EVEN GO SO FAR AS HAVING JUST ANOTHER FOCUS GROUP WITH THESE PEOPLE SPECIFICALLY, THEY SPENT THEIR TIME COMING TO THE MEETINGS PROVIDING CONTENT. THEY SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO RESPOND. SO I WOULD START THERE AND THEN BRANCH OUT, BRANCH OUT JUST FOR JUST WAY MORE INTERESTED IN THE BRANCHING OUT PART, BECAUSE IT'S THE SAME PEOPLE WHO WATCH OUR MEETINGS AND COME TO THE MEETINGS AND DO THE STUFF. IT'S THE SAME. IT'S RINSE AND REPEAT. AND IF WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, THEN THAT'S NOT IT. THAT'S JUST THE SAME FOLKS BEING UPDATED MORE OFTEN. I WOULD ALSO LEAN ON THE HOA THAT ARE MEMBERS OF THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCILS, BECAUSE THAT IS THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO COMMUNICATE WHAT'S GOING BACK AND BACK AND FORTH. NOW THAT I AGREE WITH THAT, I THINK IS IS REALLY IMPORTANT. AND I THINK THAT I'M I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE DOING THAT. I BELIEVE IF THEY'RE GETTING THE INFORMATION, I'M NOT SURE THAT THEY'RE GETTING IT. YEAH. I'M NOT SURE WHERE IT'S GOING. ONCE THEY GET IT, ONCE THEY GET IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES. YEAH. FIGHTING APATHY HAS ALWAYS BEEN A CONCERN AND IS APPROPRIATE IN EMAILS. IT'S JUST NOT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THERE WITH EMAILING. BUT THE COUNCIL'S THING THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL THING IS ABSOLUTELY A GOOD IDEA. BUT MAYBE SOME EITHER OTHER OUT OF THE BOX IDEAS, MAYBE LIKE A OWN A BEACH PARTY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT BUT BUT YEAH, THE ENGAGEMENT THING IS, IS ALWAYS A CHALLENGE. BUT I, I WANT TO THANK YOU PERSONALLY FOR ALL YOUR ENGAGEMENT THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN REALLY HEAVILY ENGAGED AND, AND THE FACT THAT YOU ARE RESIDENTS FIRST PERSON TO THAT, I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WE'LL BE MAKING DECISIONS ON WEDNESDAY. OKAY. OUR LAST APPLICANT IS RAYMOND PETRENKO. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. THANK YOU FOR INVITING ME BACK. A PLEASURE TO BE HERE. PLEASURE TO LIVE IN NAPLES, TOO. IT'S A REAL HONOR. AND ENJOY EVERY MINUTE OF IT. JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU HEARD MOST OF WHAT I MY CAREER AND SUCH, BUT JUST BE BRIEF TO SAY THAT WORKED 30 YEARS FOR THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION MANAGING OUR DATA CENTER. BUT BESIDES THAT, I'VE HAD A LONG HISTORY OF VOLUNTEERING. I GOT INVOLVED IN MY COMMUNITY IN TRAFFIC SAFETY ADVISORY COMMITTEE, SAT THERE FOR FOUR YEARS WHEN I WAS RECOGNIZED BY ONE OF THE COUNCIL PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU NEVER MISS A MEETING, YOU HAVE GOOD INPUT, AND WE'D LIKE TO INTERVIEW YOU FOR CITY COUNCIL. FROM THERE, I WON. AND BY ONLY 41 VOTES, WHICH WAS PRETTY, PRETTY COOL, YOU KNOW, AND BUT A REAL SWEAT, YOU KNOW, IF I GOT IT OR NOT. BUT SO I AS A CITY COUNCILMAN, WE HAD A WEAK MAYOR, STRONG COUNCIL. SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE COUNCIL HAD A LOT OF CONTROL. SO I AT THAT POINT, I BECAME CHAIR OF THE SENIOR CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I THEN MOVED ON TO CHAIR OF RECREATION COMMITTEE AND MOVED INTO CHAIR. AND BY THE WAY, EVERY YEAR YOU MOVE TO A DIFFERENT COMMITTEE. SO YOU GET A LOT OF EXPERIENCE. SO THEN I WENT ON TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL COMMITTEE AND. YOU KNOW, GOT A GREAT CAREER OUT OF 12 YEARS OF DOING CITY COUNCIL. IT GAVE ME A LOT OF KNOWLEDGE FROM THERE. I THEN GOT ON THE PLANNING BOARD AND BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT. SO, YOU KNOW, LISTENING TO, YOU KNOW, HOMES THAT ARE BEING BUILT MAYBE TOO CLOSE TO THE SETBACKS AND SUCH, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS, WITHOUT GETTING TOO LONG IN THE EXPLANATION IS I OFTEN FELT LIKE SITTING ON THE CITY COUNCIL, EVEN ON THE PLANNING BOARDS, THAT YOU'RE MORE OF LIKE A JUROR. YOU GOT TO REALLY LISTEN WELL AND NOT GO TO THE MEETINGS MAKING UP YOUR MIND. YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOU ALLUDED TO THIS IN PREVIOUS MEETING THAT YOU GET YOUR PACKET AND SOMETIMES BY READING THE PACKET, YOU'RE LIKE, YOU KNOW, NO WAY IS THIS VARIANCE GOING TO FLY. IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM APPROPRIATE FOR THE AREA. AND IF YOU FIND YOURSELF ALREADY MAKING UP YOUR MIND, YOU'RE NOT GIVING THE CANDIDATE A FAIR SHOT. YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY TESTIFY BECAUSE THEY MAY BRING, YOU KNOW, FACTS THAT ARE VERY IMPORTANT. LIKE FOR INSTANCE, A SETBACK. YOU KNOW, THIS MAY BE THE ONLY PERSON THERE. THEIR THEIR FRONT SETBACK IS, IS THE ONLY ONE THAT'S OFF. SO DO YOU GIVE A IS IT A DE MINIMIS SITUATION THAT YOU CAN GRANT THEM THAT SETBACK? SO I REALLY BELIEVE THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND HOW WHO YOU'RE REPRESENTING. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY IF YOU WHEN YOU'RE [01:10:05] SOMEBODY IS SELECTED TO A BOARD, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT ONLY REPRESENTING YOURSELF, BUT YOU'RE REPRESENTING THE TOWN. YOU KNOW THAT THE MESSAGE YOU DELIVER, THE DECISIONS YOU MAKE, AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU SAY, NO, ALL THAT WORK YOU PUT IN IN A INTO THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD APPEAL IT, WHICH GETS EXPENSIVE AND GETS TIME CONSUMING. SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT, YOUR DEMEANOR, WHAT YOU SAY, YOU KNOW, CHOOSE YOUR WORDS WISELY, SHOW ATTENTION AND MAKE SURE YOU DO YOUR HOMEWORK. OTHERWISE IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE REALLY WASTING THE TOWNS TIME AND IT LOOKS BAD ON THE TOWN TOO, IF THAT YOU'RE NOT PREPARED AND YOU'RE NOT REALLY READY TO MAKE THE APPROPRIATE DECISION. AND THE OTHER THING TOO, IS THAT NOT ALL DECISIONS ARE EASY. AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, MOST OF THEM ARE NOT EASY. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE YOU'RE WEIGHING YOU WANT TO BE RESPECTFUL OF THE HOMEOWNER AND YOU BECAUSE THEY WANT TO LIVE IN THE TOWN. THEY DON'T WANT TO MOVE. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT TO INVEST IN THE TOWN. BUT AT THE SAME TOKEN, WHAT ARE THEY DOING? HOW IS IT GOING TO IMPACT THE REST OF THE STREET? AND AS WELL AS A BUSINESS, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT VIOLATING ZONING ISSUES? LIKE I SAID, I'VE HAD A LONG VOLUNTEER CAREER. I'VE PRESENTLY RIGHT NOW, THE PRESIDENT OF THE WEST SHORE VILLAGE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, AND I'M IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING ON OUR HOA DOCS. LO AND BEHOLD, THEY'RE EXPIRING, YOU KNOW, WHICH IS A LOT A BIG SHOCK TO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN TOWN. AS A MATTER OF FACT, IT'S CAUSING A LOT OF PANIC TOO. IT'S LIKE, WHAT DO I DO? MY DOCUMENTS ARE GOING TO EXPIRE. CAN I STILL DO ASSESSMENTS? SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN I TOOK OVER THE PRESIDENCY, THAT'S THE FIRST THING I'M DOING IS WORKING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UPDATE OUR BYLAWS OR OUR COVENANTS. AND. YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT IT GETS DONE BECAUSE THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. I'VE TAKEN ALL THE CLASSES, YOU KNOW, THE DPR MEETINGS, AND I THINK THAT'S ABOUT IT. THANK YOU. YEAH. AND WE CERTAINLY REMEMBER THE INTERVIEW FROM LAST MONTH, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR COMING BACK. SO IS THAT AMBER ALERT? MAYBE I THINK SO, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. GO FOR IT. COUNCIL. YOUR INVOLVEMENT WITH YOUR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. ANY INVOLVEMENT THERE? PARDON ME? YOUR INVOLVEMENT WITH YOUR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. YES, I AM, I'M THE PRESIDENT. YOU'RE. WELL, BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT A LARGER YOUR WHAT YOUR 3410 3 A.M. SO THAT WOULD BE THE MORTGAGE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION. NO, I'M SORRY, I NEVER SAID MY NAME IS RICK PETRENKO. I LIVE AT 4870 WEST BOULEVARD COURT RIGHT OFF OF WEST BOULEVARD, RIGHT OFF OF WEST BOULEVARD. OH, REALLY? OKAY, OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S PART OF PARK SHORE OR. WELL, TECHNICALLY NOT. NO, NO. OKAY. NO, IT'S KIND OF NORTH OF. YEAH, I JUST FORGOT THIS RIGHT NOW. I WOULD HAVE PUT THAT IN THE MORNINGS. PROPERTY OWNERS. YEAH, IT'S ACTUALLY CLOSER TO SEAGATE. WE DID LOOK INTO THAT AS TO WHY WE'RE NOT A PART OF PARK SHORE. SO IT'S LIKE THERE'S LIKE A CARVE OUT THERE. YEAH. OKAY. SO YOU DON'T. IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT TETHERED PERHAPS TO A LARGER HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S CORRECT. WE ARE A 720 THOUGH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THAT I WAS JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW WHAT ELSE YOU'VE DONE IN THE AREA AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU'VE ENGAGED IN YOUR HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION, BUT THAT ISN'T GOING TO WORK. RIGHT. WELL, AS SOON AS I, I MOVED IN, I REALIZED THAT, YOU KNOW, NOBODY'S REALLY MANAGING THIS THING. SO I QUICKLY TOOK CHARGE AND EVERYBODY VOTED FOR ME. AND IT WAS GREAT, ALTHOUGH I FOUND A LOT OF THINGS WEREN'T DONE PROPERLY. MATTER OF FACT, THEY'RE NOT MANAGING THE SWALE, SOMETHING I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH WITH STORMWATER RUNOFF, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE OTHER HOMEOWNERS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAINTAIN THE SWALE. BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH THE HURRICANE WAS PRETTY BAD HERE, WE DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY PROBLEMS. HOWEVER, THE SWALE, BECAUSE IT HASN'T BEEN MAINTAINED. I'M SEEING I'M LOOKING INTO GETTING IT REGRADED SO IT DRAINS PROPERLY. SO YOU WOULD YOU WOULD BE A BIG SUPPORTER OF OUR SWALE PROGRAM. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. THAT'S INTERESTING. AND I, AGAIN, I DIDN'T WANT TO REPEAT A LOT OF MYSELF FROM LAST TIME, BUT I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAINTAIN WE WANT TO PERCOLATE THE HERBICIDES, PESTICIDES AND FERTILIZER SO IT DOESN'T GO INTO THE STORMWATER SYSTEM, WHICH EVENTUALLY GOES OUT TO THE OCEAN. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN SCHULTZ. MR. THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK AGAIN. SURE. YOU WON YOUR ELECTION BY 47 VOTES YOUR PRIOR LIFE. HOW [01:15:04] ABOUT YOUR OTHER ENSUING ELECTIONS? HOW DID THOSE GO? BECAUSE YOU SERVED 12 YEARS. THAT WASN'T 112 YEAR TERM, WAS IT? YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. WELL, I DON'T WANT TO BRAG, BUT AFTER MY SECOND TERM, YOU KNOW, I GOT LIKE THE MOST VOTES EVER. I GOT LIKE A, YOU KNOW, LIKE I WAS REALLY DOING WELL. I THINK A LOT HAS TO DO WITH THE. I REALLY TRY TO BE EARLY, EARLY AT THE MEETING. I TRY TO REALLY GIVE PEOPLE A LOT OF TIME. I ALWAYS STAY OUT OF THE MEETING WHEN ALL THE OTHER COUNCIL PEOPLE ARE GOING FOR COFFEE. I WOULD SIT THERE AND SAY, WHAT CAN I HELP YOU WITH? BECAUSE LET'S FACE IT, A LOT OF PEOPLE, NO DISRESPECT, BUT SOME PEOPLE JUST, YOU KNOW, DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEING LISTENED TO. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I ACTUALLY WORKED ON WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, GETTING THAT MESSAGE OUT THERE AND THE APATHY WAS WORKING, CREATING A NEWSLETTER. I FIND IF YOU MAKE THE NEWSLETTER TOO LONG, NOBODY READS IT. NOBODY WANTS TO READ 2 OR 3 PAGES. SO IF YOU SEND OUT AT LEAST A BI WEEKLY NEWSLETTER AND NOW WITH QR CODES, IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO WANT TO FIND MORE INFORMATION, SCAN THE QR CODE. THAT'S ANOTHER THING I DID. I SET UP WEBSITES FOR, YOU KNOW, THE THE COUNCIL SO PEOPLE CAN INTERACT, THEY CAN GET VOTER REGISTRATION INFORMATION. SO, YOU KNOW, I PUT A LOT BECAUSE I WAS I'VE BEEN IN THE IT FIELD FOR 30 YEARS. YEAH. YOU AFTER 12 YEARS, DID YOU CHOOSE NOT TO RUN FOR REELECTION OR WERE YOU TERM LIMITED OUT? NO, I LOST THE MY FOR MY FIFTH TERM. HOW LONG WERE THE TERMS? OH, THREE YEAR TERMS. THAT MAKES SENSE. YEAH. THE MAYOR WAS FOUR YEARS. THE COUNCIL WAS THREE YEARS. YOU COMMENTED IN YOUR POSITION THAT COMPORTMENT, DEMEANOR AND HOW YOU SAY THINGS MATTERS. HOW HOW WERE YOU MORE EFFECTIVE IN YOUR COMMUNITY IN THOSE AREAS THAN THE FOLKS YOU RAN AGAINST? I THINK I WAS ALWAYS KNOWN AS ONE OF THE MOST APPROACHABLE PEOPLE. LIKE I SAID, I STARTED OUT IN TRAFFIC SAFETY. THAT WAS MY FIRST FORAY INTO, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, POLITICS. AND SO I ALWAYS ANSWERED THE PHONE, I LISTENED, I WAS ALWAYS AVAILABLE. AND REALLY GETTING BACK TO HIM WITH REALLY GOOD FACTS. I DON'T HAVE TO. I'M SURE I DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT THE MEDIA NECESSARILY ISN'T YOUR BEST FRIEND. DEPENDS WHAT PARTY YOU ARE. I KNOW I ACTUALLY WAS INTERVIEWED BY THE NEW YORK TIMES BECAUSE I WAS WORKING WITH THE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ON THE CANADIAN GEESE. SO IF YOU LOOK UP MY NAME, YOU'LL SEE THAT STORY. AND THEY REALLY ELABORATED. AND I GOT REALLY ANGRY WITH THEM. LIKE, WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS WHOLE STORY? AND YOU DON'T GET THE FACTS RIGHT? BECAUSE I WOULD, I WOULD GO TO THE MEETINGS TO WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THE CANADIAN GEESE PROBLEM? YOU KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING. WE HAVE A LOT OF TURF FIELDS. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD DEFECATE AND CAUSE PROBLEMS. SO I SAT ON A COMMITTEE TO WORK. WHAT CAN WE DO TO THE CANADIAN GEESE? SO THAT WAS A BIG ISSUE. I LIVED ON A LAKE IN MICHIGAN, AND HOW WE DEALT WITH THE GEESE WAS WE PUT FISHING LINE UP ON THE STAKES IN THE GROUND AFTER THEY ENCOUNTERED THAT. THEY TEND NOT TO COME SO MUCH BECAUSE I HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN 1 AND 5 AT THE TIME. SO THEY WERE GOING OUT THERE AND THESE THE BIRDS WERE PRETTY BIG. SO HOW DO YOU KEEP THEM OFF WITHOUT HARMING THEM? WELL, THE DOGS AND THE OTHER THING THEY DO IS MAY I GET IN TROUBLE FOR SAYING THIS? BUT THEY CODDLE THE EGGS. YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? YEP. RIGHT. FASCINATING. THANK YOU AND APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO STEP FORWARD AND EXPLAIN HOW YOU THINK THINGS WORK. THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. PETRENKO, FOR BEING HERE TODAY. AND WE'LL MAKE OUR DECISIONS. I GUESS, ON WEDNESDAY. IT'S GOING TO BE TOUGH. WE HAVE SIX REALLY GOOD CANDIDATES. COUNCIL. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO DECIDE ON TWO. IT'S A NAPLES PROBLEM. WE HAVE SO MANY GOOD PEOPLE AND THEY WANT TO HELP AND WANT TO SERVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL WHO FOR APPLYING AND BEING WILLING TO SERVE THE CITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. GOOD DAY. MADAM CLERK. ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS ITEM WE NEED TO DISCUSS TODAY? NO, THAT CONCLUDES THE ITEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU AGAIN TO EVERYBODY WHO APPLIED. AND FOR ANYBODY ELSE WHO'S WATCHING, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF BOARDS AND COMMITTEES WITH VACANCIES THAT ARE PUBLICIZED ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. WE'D LOVE TO HAVE MORE PEOPLE GET INVOLVED. OUR NEXT ITEM IS SIX A. THE UPDATE ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. MR. YOUNG THANK YOU, MR. BLANKENSHIP. I'M SURE ERICA IS ON HER WAY OUT AND OUR CONSULTANTS ARE HERE, SO WE'LL SHE SHOULD BE OUT HERE IN JUST A MOMENT. FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND LET THEM GET SET UP. THAT'D PROBABLY BE GOOD. ANYWAY, GIVEN THAT THIS ITEM WILL PROBABLY [01:20:03] TAKE AN HOUR, HOUR AND A [6.A) Update on Naples 2045, the Elective Changes to the City of Naples Comprehensive Plan. ] OKAY. WE'RE BACK FROM OUR SHORT BREAK AND CONTINUING ON WITH ITEM SIX A, WHICH IS THE COMPREHENSIVE DRAFT. AT ONE POINT. I'D LIKE I HAVE A COUPLE OF PUBLIC SPEAKERS. SO AS SOON AS YOU DO YOUR PRESENTATION, I'LL GO TO PUBLIC SPEAKERS. GOOD MORNING, GOOD MORNING, GOOD MORNING MAYOR MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. I'M LAURA DOEJOHN WITH JOHNSON ENGINEERING HERE. ON BEHALF OF YOUR TEAM PERFORMING YOUR NAPLES 2045 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE. YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM ME AS A QUICK ORIENTATION AND OVERVIEW OF WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR AND WHY WE'RE HERE, FOLLOWED BY MEMBERS OF THE TEAM LEANNE KING, AARON DIDI, AND KRISSY FISHER, WHO WILL WALK YOU THROUGH EACH ELEMENT BY ELEMENT WITH AN OVERVIEW OF WHAT IS WITHIN THE PLAN AND WHAT'S BEEN UPDATED IN THE PLAN FOR EACH ELEMENT. AND WE WILL BE WELCOME TO YOU RAISING YOUR HAND OR HOLLERING TO TO ASK US A QUESTION OR GIVE YOU MORE INFORMATION AS YOU MIGHT NEED IT. SO THE PROCESS WITHIN WHICH WE'RE MEETING YOU TODAY IS A LENGTHY PROCESS. WE'VE BEEN AT THIS FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD. WE'RE ABOUT A LITTLE OVER HALFWAY THROUGH LAST YEAR, WE DID A LOT OF DATA COLLECTION ANALYSIS. YOU RECEIVED A SUMMARY OF FINDINGS AND AN OUTLINE OF WHAT PROPOSED CHANGES COULD GO INTO YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. PUBLIC OUTREACH WAS CONCENTRATED IN YOUR SEASONAL TIME PERIOD. WE HAD AN OUTREACH MEETING IN NOVEMBER, FOLLOWED BY FEBRUARY. PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD GOT TO SEE THIS WORK IN PROGRESS DRAFT LAST MONTH. YOU'RE GETTING TO SEE IT THIS MONTH AS IT'S BEEN MENTIONED HERE TODAY. AND WE APPRECIATE ALL THE GOOD FEEDBACK FROM CITIZENS AND PARTICIPANTS IN THE PROCESS. PLANNING BOARD PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD SEES THIS AGAIN NEXT MONTH, FOLLOWED BY YOU ALL SEEING IT AGAIN IN JUNE. FINAL ADOPTION WOULD BE SCHEDULED FOR FALL AFTER THE STATE REVIEWS THE PLAN, YOU'RE SEEING AN IN-PROGRESS DRAFT. WE ARE BUILDING UP TO THAT FORMAL HEARING BEFORE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, AS REQUIRED BY FLORIDA STATUTES NEXT MONTH. AND THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO REACT AND GIVE US YOUR COMMENTS AND DIRECTION ON THE DRAFT THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY. WE'RE JUST GOING TO REMIND EVERYONE THAT WE ARE WORKING WITHIN A STATUTORY FRAMEWORK ON DEVELOPING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS LOOKS AT A TEN AND 20 YEAR PLANNING HORIZON AND GUIDES THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY, INCLUDING CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR THE CITY. WE MUST ADDRESS TEN SPECIFIC SUBJECTS WHICH ARE CALLED ELEMENTS OF THE PLAN. THOSE ARE LISTED ON THE SCREEN. HERE WE HAVE ADDRESSED ALL TEN REQUIRED ELEMENTS AND WE HAVE THE OPTIONAL ELEMENTS OF THE VISION ELEMENT. AND WE HAVE ADDED RESILIENCY AS AN ELEMENT. YOUR ASSIGNMENT TO US WAS TO INFUSE THE PRINCIPLES AND DIRECTIVES FOUND IN THE VISION ADOPTED IN AUGUST 2024, AND WE HAVE WORKED VERY HARD IN ENGAGING WITH THE COMMUNITY AND MAKING SURE THAT WE'VE INFUSED THE VALIDATED THOSE VISION ELEMENTS THAT WERE ALREADY ADOPTED, AND THEN INFUSING THEM THROUGHOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH A FOCUS ON EMERGING MAIN TOPICS OF CONCERN, COMMUNITY, CHARACTER, RESILIENCE, AND ADDRESSING EXTERNAL GROWTH PRESSURES. HOW HAS THIS HAPPENED? AS I SAID, WE STARTED WORK LAST YEAR. THERE WAS AN EVALUATION REPORT TO YOU IN SEPTEMBER 2025. PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT INCLUDED OUTREACH BOTH ONLINE AND IN PUBLIC MEETINGS IN NOVEMBER AND FEBRUARY. AND FINALLY, YOUR INPUT HAS BEEN GATHERED BY MEETING WITH YOU AND PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS, MOST RECENTLY IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY. SO HOW DO YOU READ THE PLAN FROM AN ORGANIZATIONAL STANDPOINT? LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE FOLLOWED STATUTE BY INCLUDING TEN REQUIRED ELEMENTS AND HAVE ADDED THE RESILIENCY ELEMENT. THE THE BOOK IS ORGANIZED BY NUMBERS. SO NUMBER ELEMENT ONE IS THE INTRODUCTION FOLLOWED BY THE REST OF THE REQUIRED ELEMENTS. DEFINITIONS ARE TO COME AND THERE ARE ALSO MAPS THAT ARE REQUIRED. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP AND A COASTAL RESOURCES MAP. SO EACH ELEMENT CONTAINS AN INTRODUCTION TO KIND OF ORIENT THE READERS WHO ARE. WE'RE MAKING THE AUDIENCE OF THIS PLAN. THE RESIDENTS. THEN THE GOAL OR GOALS ARE THE PRIMARY ASPECT OF EACH ELEMENT, [01:25:08] ESTABLISHING WHAT IT IS WE ARE WORKING TOWARD FOR THE CITY THROUGH THE NEXT TEN AND 20 YEAR PLANNING HORIZON. OBJECTIVES. IDENTIFY AREAS OF FOCUS POLICIES, DESCRIBE HOW TO GO ABOUT ACHIEVING THOSE OBJECTIVES AND THEN ACTIONS WE'VE HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR. THOSE ARE NEW TYPES OF STATEMENTS IN YOUR COMP PLAN CALLED ACTIONS, BECAUSE WE KNOW EVERYONE WANTS TO UNDERSTAND HOW THIS CAN BECOME EFFECTIVE. I'LL JUST MENTION COMP PLAN AGAIN IS A BROAD OVERVIEW OF GOALS, OBJECTIVES, POLICIES, AND ACTIONS THE CITY WANTS TO UNDERTAKE. YOUR CODE OF ORDINANCES BECOME THOSE REGULATORY STRUCTURES WITHIN WHICH YOU CAN IMPLEMENT WHAT'S DESCRIBED IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THIS DOCUMENT HAS A NEW DESIGN AND FORMAT. WHEN YOU ARE SEEING A CHANGE, IT'S AN UNDERLINE. IF THERE'S BEEN A PROPOSED DELETION, IT'S IN STRIKETHROUGH. FOOTNOTES ARE INCLUDED IN THIS DOCUMENT AS A TRACKING MECHANISM TO REPORT BACK WHERE TEXT HAS BEEN REARRANGED OR MOVED FROM ONE AREA TO ANOTHER. WE TIE BACK TO THE VISION THEMES THROUGH OUR FOOTNOTES TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE'S A SOURCE FOR POLICY OR ACTIONS THAT WE'VE WRITTEN TIED TO VISION THEMES, AND WE DO INCLUDE FOOTNOTES TO SOURCE SIGNIFICANT ADDITIONS OR NEW CONCEPTS AND WHERE THEY CAME FROM. IF THEY WERE IF THEY AROSE OUT OF PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, THE SOURCE IS LISTED, OR IF THEY CAME FROM A P A, B RECOMMENDATION, I SHOULD, I SHOULD ADD. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO PASS THE BATON. LIKE I SAID, YOU'LL HEAR FROM MEMBERS OF THE TEAM WHO WILL GIVE YOU OVERVIEWS OF EACH ELEMENT, AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE. THANKS. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, LEE ANNE KING WITH CLARION ASSOCIATES. I'LL BE WALKING THROUGH THREE OF THE ELEMENTS AND THE SPECIFIC CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT FORWARD FOR YOU TODAY. I'LL ALSO BE IDENTIFYING SOME OF THE SPECIFIC REQUESTS THAT WERE MADE BY THE PLAN ADVISORY BOARD WHEN WE MET WITH THEM LAST MONTH, AND SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN INCORPORATED BASED ON THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS. EXCUSE ME. SO WE'LL START WITH THE INTRODUCTION. THE FIRST ELEMENT IN THE CHAPTER, EXCUSE ME IN THE PLAN. SO THIS HAS BEEN MOSTLY REWRITTEN TO REFLECT THE NEW GUIDANCE AND KIND OF PROGRESS STATUS TO DATE. WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THERE IS A PURPOSE AND INTENT STATEMENT, A BRIEF HISTORY OF PLANNING EFFORTS IN NAPLES, INCLUDING THE CURRENT EFFORTS UNDERWAY. THERE'S ALSO A SECTION THAT FOCUSES ON IMPLEMENTATION, MONITORING AND EVALUATION MOVING FORWARD. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION WITH COUNCIL AND PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD WITH RESPECT TO, YOU KNOW, HOW THIS IS GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTED OVER TIME. SO THAT IS INCLUDED A SUMMARY OF COMMUNITY INPUT TO DATE THAT INCLUDES BOTH KIND OF HISTORICALLY, BUT ALSO MORE NEAR TERM AND AN UPDATED COMMUNITY PROFILE, WHICH IS REALLY THE DATA AND TRENDS PIECE OF THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT HELPS INFORM THE POLICY DIRECTION THAT'S IN EACH ELEMENT. NEXT IS THE VISION ELEMENT, WHICH AGAIN WAS REALLY THE FOCUS OF THIS PLANNING EFFORT, WAS TAKING THE GUIDANCE INCLUDED IN THE VISION ELEMENT THAT WAS ADOPTED BACK IN AUGUST OF 2024, AND MAKING SURE THAT THROUGH DISCUSSIONS WITH THE LARGER COMMUNITY, THE THE STRATEGIES AND INITIATIVES INCLUDED WITHIN THAT ELEMENT WERE REALLY REFLECTED THROUGHOUT ALL OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE PLAN. THERE ARE WE CARRY FORWARD THE VISION ELEMENT AS IT WAS DEVELOPED BACK IN AUGUST OF 24. THE MAIN CHANGES TO IT ARE INCORPORATION OF SOME STATISTICS WITH RESPECT TO ENGAGEMENT DURING. AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, TO HELP REAFFIRM THE VISION COMPONENTS THAT ARE INCLUDED WITHIN THAT ELEMENT, WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BE ADDING SOME ICONS THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT THAT IDENTIFY A RELATIONSHIP TO THE SPECIFIC VISION ELEMENTS, SO IT CAN BE EASY FOR THE READER TO UNDERSTAND, OKAY, THIS, THIS SPECIFIC OBJECTIVE WITHIN WHATEVER HOUSING OR WHATEVER ELEMENT SPEAKS TO INCORPORATION OF THE VISION COMPONENT AND WHICH OF THOSE IT DOES. AND AGAIN, FEEL FREE TO STOP ME OR ASK ANY QUESTIONS AS WE MOVE THROUGH. OKAY, SO THE NEXT ELEMENT IS THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT. AND AGAIN, THE FOCUS HERE IS REALLY INTEGRATION OF THAT VISION ELEMENT, THOSE INITIATIVES AND PRIORITIES. AND A COUPLE OF KEY WAYS FOCUSING ON RESILIENCY, THE GREEN JEWEL CONCEPTS, CHARACTER COMPATIBILITY FOR THE, FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND NEIGHBORHOODS AND LARGER COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS PLACE KEEPING, WHICH IS A CONCEPT THAT WHICH IS DEFINED WITHIN THIS CHAPTER WITH [01:30:07] RESPECT TO RESILIENCY. THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT REFINES THE FUTURE LAND USE GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND POLICIES, AND INCORPORATES SOME ACTIONS TO FOCUS ON RESILIENCY OBJECTIVES IN COORDINATION WITH THE FOCUSED RESILIENCY ELEMENT. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT EACH OF THE ELEMENTS WERE TIED TO EACH OTHER AND SPEAKING TO EACH OTHER. AND SOME, AS LAURA MENTIONED, SOME OF THE ITEMS KIND OF SHIFTED BETWEEN DIFFERENT ELEMENTS TO BE IN THE APPROPRIATE PLACE. WE ALSO INCLUDED WHAT WE'RE CALLING GREEN CONCEPTS ADVANCING GOALS, OBJECTIVES, AND POLICIES RELATED TO OPEN SPACE, TREES AND LANDSCAPING, AND COORDINATION WITH RELATED RESILIENCY GAPS. AGAIN, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE KIND OF THINKING THROUGH ALL OF THE REASONS YOU DO STUFF AND THE TRADE OFFS BETWEEN. SO A COUPLE OF SPECIFIC EXAMPLES OF THOSE ARE INCORPORATING FLORIDA FRIENDLY LANDSCAPING AND RIGHT TREE RIGHT PLACE PRACTICES INTO THE DESIGN OF LANDSCAPING, OF NEW DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, PROMOTING AND INCENTIVIZING TREE PROTECTION STANDARDS IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO AGAIN, THAT'S THE NEXT STEP AFTER THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN TERMS OF MAKING THESE REQUIREMENTS LEGALLY REQUIRED. AND THEN IMPLEMENTATION OF THE URBAN FOREST GREEN PRINT, WHICH IS A PLAN THAT THE CITY ADOPTED IN 2024, WHICH HAS A LOT OF NEW GUIDANCE WITH RESPECT TO YOUR URBAN FOREST. VERY IMPORTANT. THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT FOCUSES ON CHARACTER COMPATIBILITY AND PLACE KEEPING, WHICH IS THE FIRST ITEM THAT'S LISTED WITHIN THE VISION ELEMENT IN TERMS OF MAINTAINING AND DEVELOPMENT. CHARACTER IS REDEVELOPMENT AND CHANGE OCCURS IN THE COMMUNITY. THESE CONCEPTS ARE SUPPORTED THROUGH NEW GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES TO PROTECT COMPATIBILITY OF EXISTING CHARACTER WITHIN THE CITY. THAT'S DONE IN A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS. THERE'S POLICY DEFINITIONS, POLICY LEVEL, DEFINITIONS OF LAND USE, CHARACTER FOR EACH FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY THAT APPEARS ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, AND THAT ALIGNS WITH ESTABLISHED CHARACTER AND ZONING GUIDANCE. THOSE ARE THE BUILDING BLOCKS THAT ARE INCLUDED WITHIN EACH OF THOSE KIND OF PAGES FOR EACH OF THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES. AND AGAIN, THERE WAS A LOT OF ANALYSIS LOOKING AT EXISTING CHARACTER AS WELL AS ZONING THAT'S IN PLACE TODAY TO IDENTIFY THE APPROPRIATE BUILDING BLOCKS FOR EACH. IT ALSO SUPPORTS ESTABLISHED COMMUNITY CHARACTER AND GUIDANCE FOR REDEVELOPMENT AND NEW DEVELOPMENT. WITH RESPECT TO LOOKING AT DIFFERENT STANDARDS THAT SHOULD BE REVIEWED AND POTENTIALLY UPDATED WITHIN YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WITH RESPECT TO COMMERCIAL MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS, MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENTS. SO THERE'S SOME SPECIFIC THERE'S A SPECIFIC OBJECTIVE SIX THAT RELATES TO THIS. AND THERE ARE POLICIES AND ACTIONS RELATED TO THAT TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE ABOUT REVIEWING THOSE TYPES OF ADJUSTMENTS MOVING FORWARD. BASED ON THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE BEEN HEARING THROUGH THE VISION EFFORT AND THEN AGAIN, THROUGH THIS COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT EFFORT AS PART OF NAPLES 2045, AND THEN ALSO ADVANCEMENTS TO DOCUMENT AND PRESERVE ICONIC AND HISTORIC BUILT ASSETS IN PLACES. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS ALSO VERY IMPORTANT TO COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND INCORPORATED WITHIN THE VISION ELEMENT. MOVING ON TO THE HOUSING ELEMENT, THIS IS AN ELEMENT THAT WAS HAS BEEN PREPARED IN THE PAST IN COORDINATION WITH COLLIER COUNTY, IDENTIFYING CITY, COUNTY AND JOINT AGENCY POLICIES. SO IT'S KIND OF TIED TO THE COUNTY WITH THAT REGARD. COORDINATION WITH COLLIER COUNTY IS IS REALLY KEY TO THIS ELEMENT. THEY HAVE NOT UPDATED THEIR HOUSING ELEMENT SINCE 2013. HOWEVER, THERE HAVE BEEN SEVERAL AFFORDABILITY INITIATIVES THAT THE COUNTY HAS UNDERTAKEN IN RECENT YEARS THAT ARE NOW REFLECTED WITHIN THE HOUSING ELEMENT. INTRODUCTION WITHIN THE DRAFT CITY PLAN. AND I SHOULD MENTION THAT THE HOUSING ELEMENT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, IN THAT THE HOUSING ELEMENT IS REALLY FOCUSED ON PROVISION OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, PRIMARILY, WHEREAS FUTURE LAND USE FOCUSES ON MORE ABOUT CHARACTER AND TYPES OF LAND USES WITH RESPECT TO DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL HOMES, MULTIFAMILY, ETC. SO THAT'S THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE TWO ELEMENTS. SO THERE'S SOME REVISIONS TO INCLUDE REMOVAL OF OUTDATED POLICIES, UPDATES TO THE INTRODUCTION AND FORMATTING INTO THE NEW DESIGN TEMPLATE. THERE'S ALSO, I BELIEVE THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD HAD RECOMMENDED SOME ADDING A POLICY TO SUPPORT A FEE TO SUPPORT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE TOOK A LOOK AT THE KIND OF STATE REQUIREMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AND ADVISED THAT THAT'S PROBABLY NOT A GOOD SOLUTION FOR THE CITY, GIVEN WHAT WE'RE SEEING KIND OF FROM THAT WOULD REQUIRE STATUTORY COMPLIANCE. THERE IS A NEW POLICY IN HERE WITH REGARD TO [01:35:02] THE CITY SUPPORTING PHILANTHROPIC ORGANIZATIONS, SUCH AS FAITH BASED ORGANIZATIONS AND THEIR EFFORTS TO CREATE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO HAND OFF TO AARON, UNLESS THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS. YES. OH, JUST WHAT THAT WHAT THAT MEANS IN TERMS OF SYMBOLOGY. SO THE ICONS THAT WILL BE INCORPORATED. SO FOR EACH FOR THE VISION ELEMENT THERE ARE I THINK THERE'S FIVE. IT'S OUR GOVERNMENT, OUR CHARACTER. I LET ME GO THROUGH I CAN'T REMEMBER THEM ALL OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. OUR EXPERIENCE, OUR NATURE, OUR PLACE. WE WILL WE'RE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW OF CREATING ICONS FOR EACH OF THOSE THAT WILL BE REFLECTED THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT, SO THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY AT THE OBJECTIVE LEVEL IN EACH OF THE POLICY ELEMENTS, THE TIE BACK TO THE VISION, STRATEGIC INITIATIVE AND PRIORITY. SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF AN OBJECTIVE SPEAKS TO OUR PLACE, PRESERVE SMALL TOWN CHARACTER AND CULTURE, THERE WOULD BE A SPECIFIC ICON THAT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AND THAT WOULD BE PLACED ON OBJECTIVES THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT THAT TIE BACK TO THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT CONCEPT. SO THOSE ARE THOSE ARE BEING DEVELOPED RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. DAVID, ON PAGE 48, THE FUTURE LAND USE. YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO INTEGRATE THE INITIATIVES AND PRIORITIES OF THE JEWEL CONCEPTS AND PLACEMAKING. HOW DO YOU IDENTIFY JEWEL CONCEPTS IN PLACE? MAKING SURE. SO FOR THOSE THAT MIGHT BE LOOKING AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOCUMENT, I WILL DIRECT YOU TO OBJECTIVE. LET'S SEE HERE. OBJECTIVE FLU FOR FUTURE LAND USE FOR WHICH IS LOCATED ON PAGE FLU 18. SO ADVANCE THE VISION OF THE GREEN JEWEL IS THE TITLE OF THAT OBJECTIVE. OKAY, WAIT. LET ME GET THERE. I'M SORRY. SURE. SO YOU'RE AT WHERE ON THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT. SO IT'S PAGE F O U DASH 18 AND IT'S AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE THERE. OBJECTIVE FLU FOUR. TELL ME THE THE IT'S THE FUTURE LAND USE FUTURE ELEMENT IN THE PAGES LISTED AS PAGE F L U DASH 18. OKAY, I'M THERE. SO TOP OF THAT PAGE IS OBJECTIVE FLU FOUR. SO FLU IS EACH OF THE ELEMENTS NOW HAS SOME NUMBER A NUMBERING SYSTEM. SO YOU CAN IDENTIFY WHICH ELEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH. YEP. AND THE SAME FOR THE PAGINATION. SO OBJECTIVE FLU DASH FOR ADVANCE. THE VISION OF THE GREEN JEWEL IS THE OBJECTIVE. AND YOU CAN SEE THERE ARE SOME KIND OF REVISED AND NEW POLICIES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED AND INCLUDED WITHIN THIS OBJECTIVE. SO THE FIRST ONE POLICY FLU DASH 4.1 IS PROMOTE FOR FLORIDA FRIENDLY LANDSCAPING. THE NEXT ONE IS INCREASE GREEN SPACE. THE FOLLOWING IS PROMOTE TREE PROTECTION. AND THEN THERE ARE A COUPLE. THERE ARE SEVERAL MORE THAT AGAIN ARE KIND OF CARRY FORWARD FROM THE PREVIOUS DRAFT OF THE PLAN. THOSE ARE THE KEY NEW POLICIES AND ASSOCIATED ACTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN DRAFTED. BUT AGAIN, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER POLICIES AND ACTIONS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED THAT ARE CARRY FORWARD WITH SOME MINOR MODIFICATIONS WITHIN THIS OBJECTIVE. SO THAT SPEAKS SPECIFICALLY TO KIND OF THE GREEN JEWEL CONCEPT AND PROMOTING KIND OF THE GREENING OF THE COMMUNITY. A LOT OF THIS HAS TO DEAL WITH, AS YOU WOULD IMAGINE, LANDSCAPING, TREES, INCORPORATING IMPLEMENTATION OF YOUR URBAN FORESTRY GREENPRINT PLAN, BUT LOOKING AT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES AS WELL TO BE INTEGRATING THOSE. AND AGAIN, THIS IS KIND OF IN ALIGNMENT WITH THE RESILIENCY WORK. OKAY, SO THAT'S WHERE I, IN UNDERSTANDING THE OLD COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE YOU'VE [01:40:06] ELIMINATED THINGS SUCH AS THE OBJECTIVE FOR FLU, FLU, FUTURE LAND USE FOR YOUR TAKING OUT NATURAL RESOURCES OF THE CITY AS SHOWN IN THE NATURAL RESOURCES AND COASTAL RESOURCES MAP, WILL BE PROTECTED AND COORDINATED IN THE FUTURE. LAND USE DECISIONS ACCORDING TO THE FUTURE LAND USE MAPS. NOW YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ADD THE MAPS AND DEFINITIONS UNTIL LATER, CORRECT? THAT'S RIGHT THERE IN PROGRESS RIGHT NOW. OKAY. ACTUALLY, I THINK THE MAPS ARE INCLUDED WITHIN THIS DRAFT. I BELIEVE THE DEFINITIONS WERE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE REVISIONS TO. OKAY, SO WHERE DID THIS LANGUAGE GO ABOUT NATURAL RESOURCES? SO YEP. SO THANK YOU. SO FOOTNOTE 69 ON THERE POINTS TO IT MOVING LATER TO TO A LATER POLICY IN THE FLU. AND THANK YOU LAURA. IT'S MOVING TO POLICY. 4.4 COORDINATE NATURAL RESOURCE PROTECTION AND FUTURE LAND USE. AND AGAIN THAT'S UPDATED THE YOU KNOW, TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE NAMED MAP COASTAL RESOURCES MAP. IT'S NOT THAT THE NATURAL RESOURCES GOING AWAY, IT'S ACTUALLY BEING COMBINED INTO ONE. WELL, SEE, THESE WORDS MATTER TO ME. I MEAN, UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO NOT SAY NATURAL RESOURCES ANYMORE. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT BECOMES SHOWN ON THE COASTAL RESOURCES MAP. SO YOU'RE BASICALLY CHANGING A VISION THAT WE HAVE WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENTS AND INCORPORATING IT INTO. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YOUR THINKING HERE BECAUSE IT SURE. I'M UNDERSTAND THE OLD THINKING AND YOU'RE GIVING NEW THINKING. SO YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN TO ME WHY AND WHERE. SURE. SO THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF DISCUSSION AT THE STAFF LEVEL AND WITH OUR TEAM ABOUT THE MAPS THAT ARE INCORPORATED WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THE THE RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THE MAPS BE KIND OF MELDED TOGETHER AND CALLED THE COASTAL RESOURCES MAP. SO IT'S NOT THAT THE KIND OF KEY COMPONENTS. AND THERE ARE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS WITH RESPECT TO NATURAL RESOURCES THAT HAVE TO BE SHOWN ON A MAP IN EVERY LOCALITY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THE INTENT IS THAT THAT IS CARRIED FORWARD HERE. THIS IS JUST SIMPLY KIND OF A NAME CHANGE TO KIND OF MELD THE TWO TOGETHER AS THE INTENT. AND ERIC, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING MORE TO SAY WITH THAT. YEAH, I CAN ADD A LITTLE BIT. ERIC MARTIN PLANNING DIRECTOR SO IN SPEAKING WITH OUR NATURAL RESOURCES DEPARTMENT, THIS IS A CONCERN THAT THEY'VE RAISED FOR A LONG TIME, IS THAT THE NATURAL RESOURCES MAP WAS WASN'T A GREAT MAP IN THE SENSE THAT THE, THE PLANNING PERIOD FOR A COMP PLAN IS, YOU KNOW, 7 TO 10 YEARS TO HAVE A MAP THAT DEPICTS SEAGRASS BEDS AND OYSTERS THAT IS EVER CHANGING. AND WHAT THE CONCERN WAS, IS YOU, YOU HAVE TO UPDATE THOSE MAPS. WE DIDN'T WANT THE THE USE OF THAT MAP THAT WAS LIKELY ALMOST IMMEDIATELY OUTDATED TO TAKE PLACE, TAKE THE PLACE OF A MUCH MORE VALUABLE NATURAL RESOURCE SURVEY THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED INDIVIDUALLY FOR PROJECTS. SO WE DIDN'T WANT SOMEONE TO COME IN SIX YEARS AFTER THAT MAP WAS LAST ADOPTED AND SAY, WELL, THERE ARE NO NATURAL RESOURCES IN THIS LOCATION BECAUSE LOOK AT THIS MAP DOESN'T SHOW ANY. SO THE IDEA IS THAT INSTEAD OF HAVING THE NATURAL RESOURCES MAP, WE WOULD REMOVE THE PORTIONS THAT ARE STATUTORILY REQUIRED. COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREA. THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO SHOW ON THAT MAP. PUT THOSE ELEMENTS INTO THE COASTAL RESOURCES MAP, AND THEN ELIMINATE THE NATURAL RESOURCES MAP IN FAVOR OF REQUIRING, WHICH WE DO ANYWAY. A SITE SPECIFIC SURVEY AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS MUCH MORE VALUABLE. WE DO REQUIRE A SITE SPECIFIC SURVEY PRIOR TO DISCUSSION, AND IT'S IN THE CODE. THE NATURAL RESOURCE. YES, NATURAL RESOURCES, BUT NOT FOR ALL PROPERTIES. IF YOU'RE JUST ADDING A BOATLIFT IN AN INTERIOR CANAL, NO, BUT IF YOU'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, DREDGING OF A NATURAL WATER BODY OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT NATURE, YES, WE WOULD REQUIRE THAT SURVEY AND THOSE ARE REVIEWED BY THE NATURAL RESOURCES DEPARTMENT. OKAY. I'M TRYING. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. JUST TWO MORE QUESTIONS ON PAGE 49 OF THE FLU. IS THAT THE RESIDENTIAL MOBILE HOME? PARDON? IS THAT THE RESIDENTIAL MOBILE HOME CATEGORY? IS THAT THE PAGE YOU'RE LOOKING AT OR YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE GOTCHA YOU'RE [01:45:03] LOOKING AT? WELL, I WAS JUST LOOKING AT YOUR PRESENTATION WHERE IT SAYS. THAT THE YOUR CHANGING ADVANCEMENTS. WELL, IT'S ON PAGE 49, ADVANCEMENT TO DOCUMENT AND PRESERVE ICONIC AND HISTORIC BUILT ASSETS AND PLACES. WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? AND YES. OH, AND THAT OBJECTIVE FOR YOU. IN JUST A MOMENT. SO. ON PAGE FLU FLU DASH 25. OKAY, SAY THAT AGAIN F L U FLU DASH 25. OKAY. OF THE DRAFT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT IS A AT THE TOP THERE IS OBJECTIVE FLU DASH SIX PROTECT COMMUNITY CHARACTER. AND IF YOU FOLLOW ALONG, IT'S THAT'S KIND OF THE TOP OF THIS OBJECTIVE. SO I JUST WANTED TO YOU TO SEE WHICH ONE IT FALLS UNDERNEATH. THEN THREE PAGES LATER ON FLU DASH 27 WE HAVE POLICY 6.5 PROTECT HISTORICALLY AND ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT RESOURCES. AND AGAIN THIS IS A COMBINATION OF BOTH CARRY FORWARD POLICIES AND ACTIONS THAT WERE PRIOR POLICIES IN THE CURRENTLY ADOPTED PLAN WITH AND IN ADDITION, SOME NEW ACTIONS THAT ARE INCORPORATED WITHIN THIS SECTION. SO TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ACTIONS AND POLICIES. I MEAN THAT'S NEW ACTIONS. YES. SO AND I'LL KIND OF TAKE IT FROM THE TOP SO THAT IT KIND OF THE HIERARCHY MAKES SENSE. SO THE AT THE VERY TOP OF THE DOCUMENT ARE, IS THE VISION ELEMENT AND THE STRATEGIES, STRATEGIES AND INITIATIVES THAT ARE EXPERIENCE, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE COMPONENTS ARE GOVERNMENT THAT SETS THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF YOUR COMMUNITY'S ASPIRATIONS WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I LIKE TO CALL THAT KIND OF LIKE THE COCKTAIL SPEECH OF POLICY. YOU KNOW, REALLY WHAT WE WANT TO BE ACHIEVING THROUGHOUT THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IMPLEMENTATION. THEN WE HAVE OUR WHAT WE'RE FORMALLY CALLED G O S NOW, I GUESS THEY'RE G O S. SO AT THE TOP OF THAT, OUR GOALS. SO THOSE ARE THE SPECIFIC OUTCOMES THAT YOU WANT TO BE ACHIEVING. THERE'S ONE PER ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO THAT ARTICULATES A HIGH LEVEL OUTCOME YOU WANT TO ACHIEVE WITH RESPECT TO FUTURE LAND USE. WITH RESPECT TO HOUSING, TRANSPORTATION, EACH OF THE ELEMENTS NEXT, UNDERNEATH THE GOALS ARE OBJECTIVES. AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OBJECTIVES WITHIN EACH ELEMENT THAT IDENTIFY A MORE SPECIFIC TOPIC UNDERNEATH THAT GOAL AND HELPS ARTICULATE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE INTENT IS WITH RESPECT TO THAT MORE DETAILED OBJECTIVE UNDERNEATH THE GOAL. THEN WE HAVE POLICIES WHICH PROVIDE GUIDANCE FOR DECISION MAKING. SO THOSE ARE ESSENTIALLY WE WILL CHOOSE TO DO THIS IN THIS WAY. YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE THIS IS HOW WE WILL GUIDE CHANGE IN OUR COMMUNITY OR NOT. YOU KNOW, OUR GUIDE, NO CHANGE IN OUR COMMUNITY. THEN UNDERNEATH THAT, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE INTRODUCING AS PART OF THIS EFFORT IS THE IS ACTIONS. MANY OF THE ACTIONS THAT ARE INCLUDED WITHIN THE DRAFT. AS YOU'LL SEE, THERE'S MAYBE A RED LINE THROUGH A POLICY AND THEN A NEW BLUE TITLE FOR AN ACTION, BUT NOT NECESSARILY ALL NEW LANGUAGE. THAT'S BECAUSE MANY POLICIES IN YOUR CURRENTLY ADOPTED PLAN READ TO US MORE LIKE ACTIONS TO THINGS TO DO. THESE ARE IMPLEMENTATION TO ACTUALLY ACHIEVE THE GOALS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO WE HAVE GONE THROUGH AND TRIED TO IDENTIFY WHERE A POLICY IS REALLY MORE OF AN ACTION STEP, AS OPPOSED TO A TRUE POLICY AS WE IDENTIFY IT, WHICH IS A GUIDANCE FOR DECISION MAKING. THOSE ARE KIND OF TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. SO THERE ARE CARRY FORWARD ACTIONS THAT USED TO BE POLICIES IN THIS DRAFT. AND THEN THERE ARE NEW ACTIONS THAT ARE ALSO INCLUDED IN THE BLUE UNDERLINES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AS WELL. IS THAT HELPFUL? MAYBE. SORRY. IT'S ALL NEW. SURE. JUST TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT. AND THEN THE OTHER SECTION WAS PAGE 51. YOU SAID THAT THE COUNTY HAD NOT UPDATED THEIR HOUSING. WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THE COUNTY'S HOUSING ELEMENT. CORRECT. SO THE HOUSING ELEMENT WAS ESTABLISHED, THE CURRENTLY ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THAT HOUSING ELEMENT WAS DEVELOPED. THAT ELEMENT IN PARTICULAR WAS DEVELOPED IN COORDINATION WITH THE COUNTY. AND SO THERE ARE CITY SPECIFIC POLICIES. THERE ARE COUNTY SPECIFIC POLICIES, AND THEN THERE ARE JOINT POLICIES ACROSS CITY AND COUNTY. SO THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING TO JUST RECOGNIZE. IT'S A LITTLE [01:50:04] DIFFERENT FROM MOST OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS IN TERMS OF THAT INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION. SO THIS CHAPTER LARGELY HAS NOT BEEN EDITED FOR A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT REASONS. WE HAVE INCORPORATED SOME OF THE NEW INITIATIVES THAT THE COUNTY HAS UNDERTAKEN WITH RESPECT TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THAT'S ON PAGE HOUSING ELEMENT PAGE H-3. YOU'LL SEE KIND OF THE BLUE UNDERLINED TEXT THERE ABOUT MORE RECENT ACTIONS THAT COLLIER COUNTY HAS TAKEN TO SUPPORT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND THEN SOME STATUTORY CHANGES, PARTICULARLY THE LIVE LOCAL ACT ON PAGE H FOR THE NEXT PAGE. AND THEN THE MAJORITY OF WHAT'S INCORPORATED WITHIN THE REST OF THE HOUSING ELEMENT IS, AS MOSTLY CARRY FORWARD. A BIG PART OF THAT IS BECAUSE, AGAIN, THIS HOUSING OR EXCUSE ME. YEAH, THE HOUSING ELEMENT REALLY FOCUSES ON PARTICULARLY PROVIDING WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WHICH WAS NOT A MAIN COMPONENT OF THE VISION ELEMENT. AND THAT'S REALLY OUR DIRECTIVE IN THIS EXERCISE IS INCORPORATING THE PRIORITIES AND INITIATIVES WITHIN THE VISION ELEMENT. THAT BEING SAID, WE DID RECEIVE A REQUEST FROM THE PLAN ADVISORY BOARD TO INCORPORATE SOME POLICIES. THAT WAS WHAT I MENTIONED IN MY PRESENTATION. SO PAGE H-9, YOU CAN SEE POLICY CITY POLICY H-2.9. THERE'S A NEW POLICY AND ACTION WITH RESPECT TO THE CITY SUPPORTING PHILANTHROPIC ENTITIES SUCH AS FAITH BASED ORGANIZATIONS AND THEIR EFFORTS TO DEVELOP AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE, THE NEW PIECES OF THIS ELEMENT. AND THERE'S SOME OTHER POLICIES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS H 17. I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS YOUR QUESTION AGAIN? SO THE IF WE'RE DOING CITY COUNTY POLICIES, THE. JOINT CITY COUNCIL, COUNTY POLICIES ELEMENT H 17. CORRECT. THAT'S RIGHT. AND THIS IS NEW OR NOT NEW. SO ALL OF THIS ANY THE TITLES TO THE POLICIES ARE NEW. WE ADDED THOSE TITLES FOR EASY REFERENCE FOR THE READER AS YOU'RE SCANNING THROUGH THE. ACTUALLY THE ACTUAL POLICIES ARE CARRY FORWARD FROM THE CURRENTLY ADOPTED PLAN. OKAY, SO THAT HAS NOT CHANGED, BUT IT'S ELIMINATED IN WHAT SECTION? BECAUSE IT WASN'T ALWAYS H-61. GOTCHA. SO. SO THE, THE TITLES, I DON'T THINK THAT THE, THE NUMBERING ACCORDING TO THIS HAS CHANGED. I THINK THESE ARE ALL OTHER THAN THE ONE I MENTIONED ON H NINE THAT THE INCLUSION OF THE NEW POLICY IN ACTION WITH RESPECT TO PHILANTHROPIC ENTITIES. OTHERWISE THESE ARE ALL CARRIED FORWARD FROM THE CURRENTLY ADOPTED PLAN. UNDER WHAT SECTION UNDER UNDER THE HOUSING ELEMENT ITSELF. OKAY. YEAH. SO ONLY YOU WILL NOTE THAT THERE THE BLUE UNDERLINE ON ALL OF THE TITLES AND THE INCLUSION OF THE WORD POLICY AND EXCUSE ME, INCLUSION OF THE H DASH H IS HOUSING DASH. AND IT CAME FROM THAT SECTION INTO THIS. YES, THAT'S THAT'S ALL NEW. BUT EFFECTIVELY THAT'S REALLY JUST KIND OF GUIDANCE FOR THE READER. IT'S NOT NEW POLICY DIRECTION. IT'S REALLY JUST KIND OF CLEANING UP THE DOCUMENT TO MAKE IT EASIER TO READ. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT THAT'S IN HERE THAT'S CHANGED. SO THESE ARE GOOD QUESTIONS. YEAH. WELL, JUST WHEN YOU'RE ACCUSTOMED TO READING IT ONE WAY IT IS I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS ELIMINATED AND WHERE DID IT GET PLACED. RIGHT, RIGHT. SO THERE'S NOTHING I BELIEVE THAT HAS BEEN ELIMINATED. THERE WAS IN THE HOUSING ELEMENT THERE ARE SOME CHANGES. SO FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE BOTTOM OF H DASH 11 THERE'S A POLICY THAT WAS MOVED TO THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT. ANOTHER TASK THAT WE HAD AS PART OF THIS PROCESS WAS TO BETTER KIND OF PLACE SOME OF THE POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES IN THE RIGHT ELEMENT. SO WE'VE TRIED TO DOCUMENT WHEN WE'VE MADE THOSE MOVES WITHIN THE BROADER PLAN, BUT OTHERWISE IT'S CARRIED FORWARD. OKAY, SO YOU'RE ASSUMING WHEN THOSE CITY POLICIES UNDER H34 THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING PROCESS. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S ACCORDING TO KIND OF CURRENT OPERATIONS. THAT WAS OUR UNDERSTANDING, OBVIOUSLY [01:55:02] SOMETHING THAT IS POLICY DECISION FOR DISCUSSION. I THINK THAT THERE HAVE BEEN MORE THAN FOUR PEOPLE HERE ON THIS DAIS THAT HAVE SAID, EVEN THE NEW PEOPLE ON THE DAIS THAT HAVE SAID THEY WANT TO BRING BACK THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS. SO IF WE IF H34, YOU'RE TAKING OUT THROUGH NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING PROCESS, YOU'RE ASSUMING THAT WE'RE NOT BRINGING BACK THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS, OR WE NEED TO TAKE A CONSENSUS ON THAT. SO WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS SINCE, YOU KNOW, WE STARTED THIS COMP PLAN UPDATE, WE'VE DISCUSSED THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS. AND I THINK THERE IS A AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN A GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO REINVIGORATE RE-INITIATE THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS. THE DISCUSSION, THOUGH, IS WHETHER YOU WANT THEM IN YOUR COMP PLAN. AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS IF THIS IS A DOCUMENT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO BE WELL CREATED FIRST AND THEN REVIEWED ANNUALLY SEMIANNUALLY, HOW OFTEN WOULD YOU LIKE TO REVISIT THIS? IF IT'S IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? AMENDING A PLAN, AMENDING AN ELEMENT THAT'S IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. REMEMBER, IT HAS TO BE TRANSMITTED TO THE STATE. IT'S UP FOR REVIEW BY THE COUNTY, ALL THE DIFFERENT STATE AGENCIES THAT I THINK THE DISCUSSION WE HAD WAS CREATING THOSE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS, BUT NOT HAVING THEM ADOPTED AS AN ELEMENT OF YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THEM TO BE A MUCH MORE LIVING DOCUMENT THAT COULD BE AMENDED ANNUALLY. I MEAN, I REMEMBER WHEN THEY WERE STILL IN ACTION HERE, ALL THE DIRECTORS WOULD GET IN A VAN AND DRIVE AROUND THE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THESE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS WERE NOT THEY WERE A A SMALLER SCALE. IT WAS THERE'S A POTHOLE ON THE STREET. THE THE STOP SIGN IS DAMAGED ON THIS STREET. RIGHT. WE NEED TO REPAIR THE CURB OVER HERE. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WE DID THAT. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OF NEIGHBORHOODS WAS A MUCH LARGER. SO THAT WE COULD THEN GET IN THAT VAN AND GO LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD ITSELF TO ADOPT FOR THE CIP. RIGHT. SO THEN THAT WAS THE POINT IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS ARE, AS I REMEMBER THEM, WERE MUCH MORE OF A, A CIP EXERCISE, LESS OF A BROAD COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING EXERCISE. THEY WERE A SMALLER SCALE. IT WAS THOSE LITTLE ONE OFF CHANGES TO BE MADE NOT, YOU KNOW, DO WE WANT TO ADDRESS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DENSITY AND THE SETBACKS. IT WAS OKAY IF IT'S ON THIS BECAUSE I HAVE KRAMER WAS JUST ON THIS IDEA. SO MAYBE IT'S HELPFUL TO REFERENCE THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING PROCESS AS BEING AN ANNUAL EXERCISE THAT FEEDS INTO THE CIP AND ANNUAL BUDGET. SURE. SO THE ACTUAL NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS THEMSELVES AREN'T IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE WE BE CONSTANTLY TRANSMITTING STUFF TO THE STATE. RIGHT. BUT AT LEAST REFERENCE THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THEM, DOCUMENT THEM, AND THEY ACTUALLY FEED INTO THE ANNUAL BUDGET AND CIP PROCESS. A BETTER APPROACH TO THAT. OKAY, I GUESS YES, I WOULD AGREE, EXCEPT FOR IT WAS A MUCH BROADER BECAUSE EACH NEIGHBORHOOD HAD DIFFERENT NEEDS THAN. BUT ALSO KEEP IN MIND, WHEN WE HAD THE. SO ONE OF THE INTERESTING DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD AS WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS COMPREHENSIVE, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE PROCESS IS THE IDEA OF PLANNING NEIGHBORHOODS. SO WHEN WE HAD THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS, THERE WERE NOT 37 NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS. THEY WERE MUCH, MUCH LARGER GROUPINGS OF NEIGHBORHOODS. YOU HAD, YOU KNOW, JUST THE 6 OR 7 LARGE NEIGHBORHOODS. SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT MORE TO THIS. I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THIS, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE ITS OWN KIND OF ANIMAL THAT WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO ADDRESS BECAUSE IT WAS NOT ROYAL HARBOR AND THEN GOLDEN SHORES AND THEN OYSTER BAY. AND THAT, YOU KNOW, IT WAS IT WAS LARGER GROUPINGS OF NEIGHBORHOODS AND AND SOME NOT IN THE FEEDBACK WE GOT BACK IN THIS PROCESS IS THAT IS NOT HOW THIS COMMUNITY FEELS ANY LONGER. THEY FEEL STRONGLY THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PARK SHORE IS NOT THE LARGEST GROUP. THE LARGER GROUPING OF PARK SHORE, IT'S IT'S SMALLER PIECES. SO I THINK, YEAH, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK ON THAT ONE. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND WE'LL GO TO KRAMER. JUST A COUPLE THOUGHTS. AND I'M WITH YOU. I THINK IT'S GREAT IDEA. I I'M JUST WONDERING IF THIS IS THE CASE. AND IT SEEMS LIKE IT IS THROUGH READING THIS, THAT ON THE HOUSING ELEMENT IN THE BACK OF MY MIND WAS ALWAYS THE REAL STATE OF FLUX WE'RE IN AT THE STATE LEVEL AND WHAT'S BEING SHOVED DOWN. AND SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT'S IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND TOO, AS YOU WERE DOING THIS, CORRECT? YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN ON DEFINITIONS, THAT'S HUGE FOR ME. I WOULD PAINSTAKINGLY TRY TO ALWAYS, WHETHER YOU'RE BUILDING A TEAM WITH IBM OR BUILDING A TEAM, WHATEVER TEAM, YOU KNOW, COMMITMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, EVERYBODY THAT'S HUGE. ALWAYS A [02:00:01] TOP VOTE GETTER. AND THEN WHAT DOES COMMITMENT LOOK LIKE? WILL I GET THERE ON TIME AND, YOU KNOW, WORK HARD. AND THEN THE OTHER PERSON COMMITMENT IS I GET THERE EARLY AND I ANOTHER PERSON, I GET THERE EARLY AND STAY LATE. AND SO YOU HAVE ALL THESE CONFLICTING COMPETING DEFINITIONS FOR WHAT IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE, RIGHT? AND SO THE QUESTION IS, WHEN I SEE GREEN JEWEL, I THOUGHT YOU DID A GOOD JOB TRYING TO WORK ON WITH THAT. BUT WHEN I SEE OR SMALL TOWN CHARACTER, WHERE ARE WE GOING TO HAVE REAL SPECIFICITY WITH WHAT THOSE THINGS LOOK LIKE IN OUR DEFINITIONS? THAT'S THE INTENT. SO I MENTIONED WE'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON THOSE RIGHT NOW. SO THERE WAS KIND OF AN EARLIER DRAFT OF DEFINITIONS FROM KIND OF PREVIOUS COMP PLAN EFFORTS. THAT'S THAT WAS OUR STARTING POINT. WE THEN TOOK THAT ALONG WITH SOME OF THE PAB MEMBERS, HAD SOME RECOMMENDED DEFINITIONS THEY WANTED US TO LOOK AT. SO WE ALSO FACTORED THOSE INTO THE DISCUSSION AND THE WORK. AND WE'RE ALSO CHECKING EACH AGAINST THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLAN AND THE CODE ARE DEFINING THINGS CONSISTENTLY. WELL, THAT'S THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON TO DEFINE IT, RIGHT? THAT'S THE WHOLE ENCHILADA, BY THE WAY, PLACE KEEPING. I'M GUESSING YOU SPENT PROBABLY A HUNDRED MAN HOURS ON THAT ALONE. NO, BUT YEAH, WE DID. WE DID. LUCKILY THERE ARE OTHERS THAT HAVE DONE SOME WORK THOUGHT WORK ON THAT AHEAD OF TIME. WE ALL WE ALL USE OTHER'S WORK. SURE. OKAY. I IT'S SO FUNNY. IT'S SO FUNDAMENTAL. CORRECT. THAT. YEAH, I THINK IT MAKES ALL OF IT HAS A BIG QUESTION MARK. IT'S TO BE TO MAKE EVERYTHING RELEVANT AND HAVE THE INTEGRITY THAT IT NEEDS. I THINK THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, THOSE DEFINITIONS ARE PARTICULARLY REALLY IMPORTANT. OKAY. BARTON. YEAH, I'LL JUST ADD TO THAT. THE, THE LANGUAGE OBVIOUSLY IS, IS PARAMOUNT HERE. AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT, AND I UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE FOR USING CATCH PHRASES, TERMS LIKE GREEN JEWEL AND COMMUNITY CHARACTER BECAUSE IT ALLOWS FOR ON A BROADER LEVEL FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE RESIDENTS WHO ARE READING THIS AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT, TO KNOW WHERE YOU ARE, WHERE WE ARE COMING FROM, FROM A STANDPOINT OF DEVELOPING THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IF WE MENTION THE GREEN JEWEL, WE'RE PROBABLY TALKING ABOUT MAKING SURE WE'VE GOT OPEN SPACE AND WE'VE GOT LINEAR PARKS WHERE THEY NEED TO BE AND THAT TYPE OF THING, BUT IT LETS PEOPLE KNOW THAT THAT'S IMPORTANT AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR RESIDENTS TO KNOW THAT WE ARE FOCUSING ON THESE THINGS. BUT IN THE SAME BREATH, WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO HAVE METRICS TIED TO COMMUNITY CHARACTER. WE HAVE TO HAVE METRICS TIED TO THE GREEN, A GREEN JEWEL, THE GREEN JEWEL OF SOUTHWEST FLORIDA, SO THAT AS WE, AS WE DEVELOP, CONTINUE TO REDEVELOP OUR COMMUNITY, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE THAT ARE DOING THE WORK, THE PHYSICAL WORK ON THE REDEVELOPMENT OF OUR COMMUNITY, HAVE METRICS TO, TO GO BY AND STANDARDS TO MEET SO THAT THERE'S, THERE'S NO, IT'S NOT VAGUE AND AMBIGUOUS. SO IT'S SO IMPORTANT THAT, AGAIN, THAT WE PUT METRICS TO THESE VERY IMPORTANT CONCEPTS AND IDEAS OF COMMUNITY CHARACTER AND GREEN JEWEL. SO I JUST WANTED TO REITERATE, WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO HAVE THE ABILITY TO MEASURE WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. IS IT METRICS. BARTON. OR USE A DIFFERENT PHRASE? IS IT, YOU KNOW, AS I HEAR. ERICA WELL, THE REASON THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN CLASSIFY OUR COMMUNITY AS. WHAT'S IT CALLED CHARM, SMALL TOWN CHARM, SORRY, IS THROUGH OUR SIGNAGE, YOU KNOW, HOW OUR SIGNAGE IS DEVELOPED. IS THAT A MATRIX OR IS THAT A POLICY? I MEAN, WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK THAT TERM SMALL TOWN CHARM MEANS SOMETHING DIFFERENT PROBABLY TO ALL SEVEN OF YOU AND TO ME AND PROBABLY TO JEFF AS WELL. YOU KNOW, I COME FROM A VERY SMALL TOWN THAT'S VERY DIFFERENT FROM THIS TOWN, YOU KNOW. BUT I THINK IT'S THAT'S GOING TO BE A HARD ONE TO DEFINE A SMALL TOWN CHARM, THE LOWER HEIGHT OF THE BUILDINGS. IS IT A LOWER DENSITY? IS IT SIGNAGE? IS IT AN ARCHITECTURAL LOOK. I THINK THAT'S THEY TRIED TO IN THE SURVEY AND IN THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT KIND OF DRILL DOWN TO WHAT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO EVERYONE. BUT I THINK THE INPUT IS THERE'S NOT ONE DEFINITION. SO THAT'S MY POINT. ADD TO THAT THOUGH, I AGREE WITH YOU. YEAH. SOMETIMES IT IS MEASURABLE. SOMETIMES IT IS, YOU KNOW, 34FT OF HEIGHT OR WHATEVER THE NUMBER MIGHT BE. SOMETIMES IT IS POLICY, THE TYPE OF SIGN OR THE TYPE OF SIGNAGE THAT WE ALLOW ON A BUILDING OR THE TYPE OF SIGNS THAT WE USE TO, TO, TO, TO DENOTE A STREET OR A DIRECTION TO THE BEACHES OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. SO SOMETIMES IT IS METRICS WAYFINDING. YES. AND SOMETIMES IT IS METRICS. SOMETIMES IT IS MEASURABLE, BUT SOMETIMES IT IS POLICY IN DETERMINING WHAT IS THE RIGHT TYPE OF SIGNAGE FOR [02:05:02] USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE. SO AGAIN, IT'S A LANGUAGE IS PARAMOUNT HERE. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK AT THIS AND NOT BE CONFUSED ABOUT WHAT OLD SMALL TOWN CHARACTER IS OR CHARM IS. AND BY THE WAY, I AM ALSO FROM A VERY SMALL TOWN. IT'S CALLED NAPLES, FLORIDA. SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CHALLENGE, WE HAVE WE HAVE EVERYDAY CHALLENGES HERE. WHEN I WAS BORN IN 1969, THINGS WERE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THEY ARE TODAY. SO IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE DOING ANYTHING WRONG TODAY. BUT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO ADAPT AND ADJUST WITH WITH WITH THE CHANGE IN TIMES AND TRY TO MAINTAIN THAT PRINCIPLE OF SMALL TOWN CHARM. AND I EMBRACE IT WHOLEHEARTEDLY. BUT WHAT THAT IS, IS GOING TO BE DETERMINED BY THE LANGUAGE THAT WE USE AND THE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND HOW TO MEET THAT GOAL AND OBJECTIVE THAT WE PUT INTO THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT CANNOT BE LEFT TO THEIR INTERPRETATION OF WHAT THAT MEANS. IF I MAY. YES, KRAMER AND I WOULD I WOULD ECHO I THINK THAT COMES DOWN TO CODE AN ORDINANCE, RIGHT? LIKE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SPECIFICITY, THIS IS YES, WE ALWAYS YOU HAVE TO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, 30,000 FOOT VIEW, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S, IT'S CODE AND ORDINANCE AND HAVING CONSISTENCY AND THAT HAVING INTEGRITY. SO CLEANING UP, GETTING RID OF ANY CODES, ORDINANCES THAT AREN'T BEING ENFORCED, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA, BUT THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE A BYPRODUCT OF A GOOD COMP PLAN IN MY VIEW. WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT? YEAH. OKAY. SO I, I THINK WE CAN AND, AND IT CAN BE STATED THAT. YEAH. TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, WE CAN'T HAVE SPECIFICITY IN, IN THESE PATTERNS. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME ABSTRACTION TO IT, RIGHT? BY THE SAME TOKEN, IN THE END WHERE THE RUBBER HITS THE ROAD, THAT'S GOING TO BE CODE ORDINANCE. AND WE CAN WE CAN TIGHTEN THAT UP HOWEVER WE WANT TO. AND MY, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WHAT I JUST SAID? YEAH, IT'S ONCE YOU IDENTIFY THE CONCEPTS, THEN THE STANDARDS GO INTO YOUR CODE OF ORDINANCES. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS INTEGRITY AND CONSISTENCY THROUGHOUT THE TWO. YEAH. YEAH. THANKS. OKAY. BENJAMIN. COUNCILORS. I'M A LITTLE BIT CONFUSED BECAUSE WE HAVE ON THE INTRODUCTION PAGE KEY PERFORMANCE KPIS, KEY KEY PERFORMANCE INDICATORS. AND IT SUGGESTS THAT WE'LL IDENTIFY THESE. THERE WILL BE A SCHEDULE FOR REPORTING TO THE PLANNING BOARD AND CITY COUNCIL ON THE USE ON THE STATUS OF THESE KPIS AND AND THE RESPONSIBLE CITY LEADS FOR TRACKING AND EVALUATING. OVER TIME, MANY LOCAL GOVERNMENTS OFTEN USE THE ANNUAL BUDGET FOR DOCUMENTING KPIS. SO I SORT OF FEEL LIKE WE KIND OF COVERED THOSE CONCERNS AND, AND OUR REPORTING BACK PROCESS, BUT HAPPY TO BE CORRECTED IF I MISINTERPRETED THAT. ARE YOU ON PAGE I EIGHT? YES. OKAY. AND THAT WAS A REQUEST FROM THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD DISCUSSION WAS THAT ONCE WE ADOPT THIS, BECAUSE THE STATUTORY TIME FRAME FOR REQUIRED FOR A COMP PLAN UPDATE IS SO LARGE, WHAT WHAT CAN WE DO IN THE INTERIM TO SHOW, YOU KNOW, IN BETWEEN THOSE STATUTORY REQUIRED UPDATES, HOW IS STAFF MONITORING AND ENSURING THAT WE ARE STAYING CONSISTENT? BECAUSE A LOT OF YOU'LL SEE, YOU KNOW, YOU DO HAVE SOME OF THOSE LARGER CONCEPTS LIKE SMALL TOWN CHARM, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE IN A LOT OF THESE POLICIES AND YOU'VE SEEN A LOT OF THEM RETITLED AS ACTIONS. THERE ARE ACTUAL ACTION ITEMS THAT IS REQUIRING STAFF AND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY TO, TO ACCOMPLISH CERTAIN THINGS. SO THE REQUEST FROM THE PAB WAS, HOW ARE WE MONITORING WHETHER WE ARE ACCOMPLISHING THESE, THESE THINGS? AND WHO'S REPORTING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL. SO THAT WAS THAT SECTION WAS ADDED INTO THE INTRODUCTION TO SAY THAT WE WILL ESTABLISH THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING WHAT THAT PROCESS LOOKS LIKE HERE. THAT'S MORE OF A POLICY PROCESS THAT WOULD BE DISCUSSED WITH THE CITY MANAGER. BUT HOW HOW ARE WE GOING TO REPORT THAT BACK TO YOU SO THAT YOU CAN BE SURE THAT WE'RE YOU KNOW, WE DON'T JUST PUT THIS PLAN OUT THERE AND THEN IT JUST SITS ON A SHELF AND WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, USING IT AND IMPLEMENTING IT. SO THE CITY MANAGER IS GOING TO SAY THAT WE'RE THE EVALUATION AND APPRAISAL REPORT. NOPE. THIS WOULD BE A SEPARATE THIS IS THIS IS OUTSIDE OF THE STATUTORY REQUIRED MONITORING AND REPORTING PROCESS. THIS WOULD BE JUST AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL, SOMETHING THAT THE STAFF WOULD PREPARE ANNUALLY, YOU KNOW, EVERY TWO YEARS. HOWEVER, WHATEVER IT CAME UP WITH, THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING WHAT THAT PROCESS IS HERE. THEY'RE JUST SAYING HERE KIND OF BACK TO OUR PREVIOUS DISCUSSION. THERE WILL BE A PROCESS. YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY WE'LL JUST FOR DISCUSSION, SAY IT'S ANNUALLY WHERE, YOU KNOW, DOES THE STAFF GO THROUGH KIND OF SIMILAR TO THE LEVEL OF SERVICE UPDATE? DOES THE STAFF GO THROUGH THE COMP PLAN AND REPORT TO YOU, YOU KNOW, POLICY 1.7 IN THE FUTURE, LAND USE. I'M MAKING UP NUMBERS REQUIRED THAT WE DO THIS AND WE COME BACK TO YOU A YEAR FROM NOW AND SAY, WE'VE DONE THIS, OR WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THIS. SO THAT COUNCIL'S, YOU KNOW, CONTINUOUSLY UPDATED ON, ON [02:10:03] WHAT, HOW WE'RE IMPLEMENTING THIS PLAN. SO IT COULD BE PART OF LEVELS OF SERVICE OR CONNECTED TO IT DONE. AT THE SAME TIME. IT COULD BE. YEAH, IT'S, IT'S UP FOR DISCUSSION IN THE FUTURE ON HOW WE DO THAT SEPARATE PROCESS AS IT SEEMS LIKE IT'D BE MAKE SENSE TO DO THEM TOGETHER OR LINK THEM SOMEHOW. YEAH. SO THE LEVEL OF SERVICE IN YOUR CODE ONLY ADDRESSES KIND OF FOUR MAJOR UMBRELLAS OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S TRAFFIC, IT'S YOUR POTABLE WATER, SANITARY SEWER, PARKS AND REC. THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS IN HERE THAT ARE NOT THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THOSE WHAT'S ADDRESSED IN CHAPTER 48. SO IT WOULD BE ESSENTIALLY EXPANDING UPON THAT. MADAM MAYOR. SO I'M NOT GOING TO TOUCH SPECIFICALLY ON THE ONE SHE WAS JUST REFERRING. I ACTUALLY WANT TO TOUCH ON ONE OTHER ONE AND KIND OF GIVE YOU THE PRISM BY WHICH I'M VIEWING THIS. IF YOU GO TO THE HOUSING ONE WHERE IT SAID CITY POLICIES. SO THE PROBLEM IS IT SAYS THERE'S ACTIONABLE ITEMS. AND I THINK THE PRISM, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS. THIS IS WHAT IS IT ASKING YOUR JURISDICTION TO DO. AND IT SAYS THAT YOU SHALL DISCUSS AND CONSIDER INCENTIVES TO PHILANTHROPIC ORGANIZATIONS, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO TAX CREDITS. SO THAT'S ALL WELL AND GOOD, EXCEPT FOR YOU DON'T HAVE A HOUSING DIVISION DIVISION. YOU DON'T HAVE A CDBG FUNDS, HOME FUNDS, EMERGENCY SHELTER GRANTS. YOU HAVE NO DIVISION FOR THAT. AND THEN YOU GO ON DOWN LATER AND WE SAY JOINT EFFORTS BY THE COUNTY AND CITY. IT INCLUDES EVALUATING FEDERAL AND STATE PROGRAMS, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE FEDERAL TAX CREDITS, ETC. SO I THINK WHEN WHAT I LOOK AT IS IF IS IT A POLICY OR AN ACTIONABLE ITEM, BUT WHAT IS IT PUTTING A BURDEN ON THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE BANDWIDTH OR STAFF RESOURCES TO ACCOMPLISH? SO I'M ONLY USING THAT AS ONE EXAMPLE, BECAUSE PAB BROUGHT UP AND SAID, IS THERE A WAY WE CAN INCENTIVIZE DEVELOPERS AND BUY LAND OUTSIDE OF THE CITY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING? THAT BECAME IT'S NOT PALATABLE. NOW IT TURNS INTO AN EVALUATION OF STAFF. THAT'S AN ACTIONABLE ITEM WITH NOT THE BANDWIDTH TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. NOW I CAN DO IT. GIVEN MY BACKGROUND ON THE CDBG HOME FUNDS AND THE OTHER. BUT YOU'RE NOT ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE THAT. AND THIS JUST PUTS A BRAND NEW BURDEN OF WHICH WE'VE DISCUSSED AS CRA AND COUNCIL AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN A NUMBER OF SCENARIOS. AND IN SOME REGARDS, YOU HAVE TO RELY ON YOUR JOINT RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COUNTY. WHO GETS THOSE FUNDING DOLLARS TO HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO ASSIST YOU IN THAT. SO I'M ONLY SAYING THAT PUTTING IT AS A CITY OBJECTIVE. AND SO WHEN I THE REASON I TOOK THIS OPPORTUNITY IS BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT EVERY ONE OF THESE ACTION ITEMS AND SAY, WHAT IS IT THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY ALREADY DOING? DOES THAT COVER WHAT THIS IS, THE ACTION OR IT'S PRESCRIBED TO DO? AND I DON'T THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DEVIATION, BUT THAT ONE WAS AN EXAMPLE OF ONE WHERE I SAY, WHAT IS WE MAKE THAT STATEMENT. IT'S A CITY POLICY AND IT'S AN ACTION. WHAT IS IT SAYING? AND SO I ONLY BRING THAT UP AS AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE OF THE DISCUSSION YOU WERE HAVING. YOU'RE VERY OBSERVANT. THIS HAPPENED WAY BEFORE YOU OR THE CITY MANAGER AND COUNCIL DECIDED TO NOT HAVE THE CITY MANAGE OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND WE GAVE OUR AUTHORITY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND CDBG FUNDS TO THE COUNTY. YEAH. AND LIKE I SAID, I, I UNDERSTAND THE PARAGRAPH. I THINK THE ACTIONABLE ITEM MAKES IT AS SUCH IS THAT YOU ALMOST SET IT UP, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THE BANDWIDTH TO DELIVER ON IN SOME REGARDS. AND I, I JUST THINK THAT MAYBE IT'S, IT'S INCLUDING US IN THE JOINT EFFORTS TO BE ABLE TO DO THE THING AS FAR AS PHILANTHROPIC, BUT MAYBE IT BELONGS IN THE JOINT ONE BECAUSE OF YOUR LIMITED. THAT'S THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING, SO I AGREE. THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL IS WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. IT'S ACTUALLY H SIX WHERE IT SAYS CITY AND JOINT POLICIES INTER-LOCAL COORDINATION OF CITY, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, FAIR SHARE, AFFORDABLE. IT GOES ON INTO THOSE SECTIONS AND WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT UTILIZATION OF FEDERAL AND STATE. I JUST THINK THOSE ARE IT MAY BE BETTER SERVED BEING THERE AS A PRESCRIPTIVE THAT YOUR CITY POLICY IS. YOU'RE GOING TO DETERMINE WHAT INCENTIVES YOU CAN GIVE TO A PHILANTHROPIC ORGANIZATION TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITHIN YOUR JURISDICTION. THAT WAS ITS OWN STATEMENT, AND I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER SERVED IN A [02:15:01] JOINT. THAT'S ALL. SO WHAT IS OUR INTERGOVERNMENTAL SECTION CALLED NOW? THERE IS A SEPARATE INTERGOVERNMENTAL SECTION. ANOTHER ELEMENT THAT CHRISTIE WILL BE PRESENTING ON A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THIS DISCUSSION. BUT YEAH, BUT SPECIFICALLY, MAYOR, THIS ONE IS ACTUALLY DEFINED IN H SIX HOUSING ELEMENT WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT JOINT CITY AND COUNTY POLICIES. MY ONLY POINT IS, I THINK TAKING IT FROM A CITY POLICY TO A JOINT IS SAYING SOMETHING SOMEWHERE. A PARAGRAPH IN THERE IS, THROUGH JOINT EFFORTS TO DETERMINE INCENTIVES THAT. SO YOU'RE SAYING LEAVE IT IN HOUSING BECAUSE IT IS. I THINK IT IS AN ELEMENT OF HOUSING. I JUST THINK THAT IT'S A CITY POLICY, WHETHER YOU HAVE THE BANDWIDTH TO DO IT OR WHETHER YOU SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING THAT WITH THE COUNTY BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES WITHOUT RAMPING UP A DEPARTMENT. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I WAS GETTING AT. GOT IT. YEAH. SO I MAY BE WAY OFF HERE. THEN WHEN I SAW H SIX AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM WHEN IT SAID CITY POLICIES. NONE. THIS IS FOR SEVERAL OF THESE SECTIONS. CITY POLICY IS NONE. I'M LIKE, WELL THEN THIS IS A PLACEHOLDER FOR WHATEVER MAY BE COMING DOWN THE STREAM. I ASSUME AS FAR AS WE WERE CONCERNED, WE WEREN'T BEING INVOLVED IN THAT, AM I? IS THAT WRONG? IF WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY THEN REGARDING IT, THERE'S NO TEETH IN IT. SO YOU HAVE THE JOINT POLICY. YOU MAY NOT HAVE CITY ONLY POLICIES. YEAH. AND I GET THAT. OKAY. DEFAULT, THE DEFAULT OF THAT IS WE'RE DOING WHATEVER THE COUNTY IS DOING, PRACTICALLY SPEAKING. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. IF WE'RE SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY, WE CAN CALL IT JOINT. BUT YEAH. CORRECT. WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING WITH IT. RIGHT. SO HOW DOES THAT AFFECT OUR PRESENT CONDITIONS OF NOT DETERMINING WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR NOT? THAT'S DECLARING THAT RIGHT THERE. WELL, I CAN BY THE TIME THE LAST COUNCIL BEFORE THIS COUNCIL WAS SEATED, YOU KNOW, I WAS PRETTY FIRED UP ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND THEN WHEN I SAW WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE, PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, I AM NOT SO FIRED UP ABOUT IT NOW IN THE CITY. AND TO HAVE TO COMMUTE SOME FROM THE COUNTY, IT IS. THAT IS WHAT IT IS, PRACTICALLY SPEAKING. AND WE'VE LOOKED AT IT A LOT OF WAYS, AND NOW WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, A PRIVATE. ENTERPRISE THAT'S LOOKING AT SOMEHOW DOING SOMETHING. BUT PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, AND I THINK THIS COUNCIL SAID THE SAME THING LIKE THIS. WE DON'T REALLY WANT TO GET IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUSINESS AND NOT, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK WE CAN AFFORD IT. BUT. SO HAVING SAID ALL THAT. I'M ASSUMING THIS IS NECESSARY. IT IT'S NECESSARY PART, ESPECIALLY IN LIEU OF WHAT THE STATE'S DOING. BUT IT DOESN'T. I GUESS WE'RE NOT BOUND TO ANYTHING THROUGH. THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME. IS THAT THE CASE? I'M NOT SURE THAT CAN BE TRUE BECAUSE LOOK AT. THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. YEAH. WHAT ARE WE BOUND TO. SO I THINK THE THE WHETHER THEY'RE JOINT POLICIES OR CITY SPECIFIC POLICIES, I THINK THOSE ARE WHAT YOU'RE BOUND TO. SOME ARE IN COLLABORATION WITH THE COUNTY. THERE ARE A FEW ARE SPECIFIC TO THE CITY, THOUGH. THE CITY ONES ARE OBVIOUSLY THEY SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES, RIGHT. BUT THE ONES WHERE IT'S JOINT AND WE HAVE NO NO POLICIES OF OUR OWN, THEN YEAH, WE NOT BEING THE AUTHOR OF THOSE IN THE PAST, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK TO SOMETHING I DON'T KNOW ABOUT. MY INTERPRETATION UPON READING IT WAS THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU WERE JUST DESCRIBING. YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A CHOICE MADE IN THE PAST TO HAVE THE COUNTY KIND OF BE THE LEAD ROLE. AND SO THE CITY IS SUPPORTING THOSE EFFORTS THROUGH KIND OF THIS RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COUNTY BEING THAT WAS MY ASSUMPTION, BUT NOT ON ALL. I MEAN, WE DO HAVE OUR OWN. THERE ARE SOME. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. I'M JUST SAYING THAT FOR THE ONES THAT WE DON'T. OKAY. YEAH. CORRECT. THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG. MADAM MAYOR, SO SPECIFICALLY AGE TWO NINE ENCOURAGE THE LEVERAGING OF EXISTING INCENTIVES FOR PHILANTHROPIC ORGANIZATIONS TO SUPPORT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THAT IN AND OF ITSELF IS BENIGN AND COULD FIT STRAIGHT DOWN INTO THE COUNTY. AND IT'D BE AN OBJECTIVE IS WHEN APPROACHED BY PHILANTHROPIC. AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'RE DOING IN CARVER AND RIVER PARK, ETC. THE ACTION ITEM SAYS EVALUATE OPTIONS FOR INCENTIVIZING PHILANTHROPIC GROUPS TO FUND DEVELOPMENT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS. THAT'S THE ACTION ITEM THAT I THINK IS THE ONE THAT IS BETTER. WHEN YOU GO DOWN BELOW TO A TO H, IT WOULD BE H 11 3.1 FEDERAL, STATE, LOCAL FUNDING FOR HOUSING, REHABILITATION, SUPPORT FOR HOUSING, HOUSING FUNDING, APPLICATIONS, AND TO. SO THE LANGUAGE ABOUT. FOR AN EXAMPLE OF INCLUDING FEDERAL TAX CREDITS, ETC. IT'S BETTER IN THAT AREA WHERE THEY ALREADY HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND SUPPORT STAFF TO DO IT. THAT WAS MY ONLY. BUT THAT'S AN [02:20:02] ACTIONABLE ITEM UNDER A CITY POLICY THAT I JUST I THINK SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN GET YOU IN A POSITION. ARE WE JUST ADDING STAFF FOR THAT IN CASE THERE'S ONE THAT COMES DOWN THE PIKE EVER? I MEAN, SO IT'S JUST THAT WAS MY ONLY ISSUE WITH THAT SECTION. AND I WANTED I, AND I HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, I'VE READ IT, BUT I HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH WHAT. WELL, WHAT'S THIS MEAN AND HOW MANY TIMES A YEAR IS THAT GOING TO. BUT, BUT I JUST THINK THAT FROM A STAFFING LEVEL, GETTING STAFFED UP TO BE IN THAT POSITION, I THINK WOULD BE MUCH MORE DIFFICULT THAN IF WE PUT IT UNDERNEATH THE JOINT AND COUNTY PART. THAT'S JUST AN OBSERVATION AND WHAT YOU DO WITH IT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I SAID THAT. THAT WOULD SAY THAT GOES TO MY POINT. THAT SHOULD BE THAT'S A HAND OFF TO ME. LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THAT'S SO MAYBE IF I, IF I MAY, IT SOUNDS LIKE KEEPING POLICY H 2.9 IS BENEFICIAL. H291 REALLY SHOULD BE PART OF KIND OF A JOINT POLICY WHERE THE COUNTIES OR REMOVED. YEAH. WELL, I WANT THEM TO BE THE DECISION MAKERS ON THAT. I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW FROM THE FROM THE PRISM OF YOUR ADMINISTRATIVE POSITION, I'M LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, STAFFING LEVELS, WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE IN OUR OUR PURPOSES IS THE MAIN PRIMARY GOVERNMENT UNIT. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN POSITION TO DO THOSE THINGS WITHOUT STAFFING UP SOME. AND THAT THAT ISN'T OUR OBJECTIVE AT THE MOMENT. SO PUTTING IT UNDER THERE ALLOWS YOU TO LEVERAGE WHAT IS ALREADY COUNTY AND REGIONAL RESOURCES WITH THE EXPERTISE IN FEDERAL TAX CREDITS AND FEDERAL FUNDING TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. I JUST THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET MORE BANG FOR YOUR BUCK OUT OF THERE THAN RATHER, ESTABLISHING AN ACTION THAT YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH. AND IS THAT THE ONLY ACTIONABLE ITEM IN THAT ELEMENT? WELL, AGAIN, I'LL REMIND YOU THAT THE PAB AND AND OTHERS ARE MAKING THAT THEY WANTED. WE'RE USING THE WORD ACTION. IT'S NOT A POLICY. AND THAT'S FINE. I, BUT I BUT IF I HAVE AN ACTION ITEM, I HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PERFORM AN ACTION ON IT. AND I JUST WANTED. THAT'S WHY SOMETHING LIKE THAT I THINK IS BETTER SERVED IN A DIFFERENT LOCATION. AND IF I FIND ANY OTHERS, I'D SPEAK UP ABOUT IT. BUT THAT'S THE ONLY ONE SO FAR THAT HAS CAUSED ME ANY ANGST, GIVEN THE RESOURCES WE HAVE IN THAT AREA OF EXPERTISE. MAYOR? YES. MR. DICKMAN. YES, ON ON THIS TOPIC, I JUST IT WOULD BE REMISS OF ME IF I DIDN'T POINT OUT, AND I KNOW THE CONSULTANTS ARE ALSO FOLLOWING THIS, IS THAT THE COMMUNITY PLANNING ACT IS UNDER 160. CHAPTER 163 PART TWO ONE 63.31 77 IS THE LIST OF ELEMENTS IN THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU HAVE TO MEET. AND THERE IS A SECTION THERE, IT SAYS HOUSING ELEMENT AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS X, Y, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THESE THINGS. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT ELIMINATING SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ABSOLUTELY SUPPOSED TO ADDRESS. WELL, THAT'S THE QUESTION. SO THE THINGS THAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO ADDRESS WITHIN THE HOUSING THAT IS RELEVANT TO THE CITY, WHERE IS THAT LOCATED? SO CAN I JUST ASK A POINT OF CLARITY? WAS THE ACTIONABLE ITEM DRIVEN BY A LEGAL REQUIREMENT, OR WAS THAT A REACTION TO THE P A B REACTION TO PA? OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL. YEAH. AND JUST TO. THAT WAS MY POINT. I UNDERSTAND THIS HAS TO BE THERE, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY WE DON'T HAVE WE AREN'T THE MOTOR BEHIND THE BOAT NECESSARILY IF THE COUNTY IS DOING IT. THAT'S MY QUESTION. RIGHT. SO 163, 31, 77 SAYS A BUNCH OF THINGS, BUT IT SAYS YOU SHOULD ADDRESS CERTAIN THINGS. AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS ONE OF THEM, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY YOU HAVE TO DO IT RIGHT. YOU COULD SAY, HEY, YOU'RE GOING TO PARTNER WITH THE COUNTY TO DO IT. AS LONG AS YOU'RE ADDRESSING THAT ISSUE AND HOW IT'S GOING TO BE ADDRESSED, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. IT'S THE MINIMUM. IT'S THE MINIMUM. IT'S NOT TELLING YOU EXACTLY HOW TO GO ABOUT DOING IT. OKAY. THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT. BUT THE AREAS THAT WE ARE MONITORING, WHICH ARE, YOU KNOW, THE GEORGE WASHINGTON AND JADE AND. JASMINE, WHERE ARE THOSE NOW WITHIN OUR POLICIES? IT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT I SAW SPECIFICALLY WAS CARVER AND RIVER PARK, WHICH WAS H TWO. AS THE FIRST ONE I REFERENCED, IT WAS IT STARTS JUST ABOVE THERE. JUST A MOMENT, MA'AM. PAGE TWO EIGHT. YEAH. AND THAT'S WHAT'S BESIDES THE CARVER. AND THEN YOU COME BACK AND GO TO THE OTHER CARVER AND RIVER PARK COMMUNITY, I THINK IS THE WAY IT CITES IT. SORRY, I HAVEN'T FOUND IT AGAIN. TECHNICAL [02:25:04] ASSISTANCE FOR THE CARVER RIVER PARK NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S H-2.8. YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO PUTTING IT UNDER JOINT COUNTY POLICIES IS NOT A PROBLEM TO KNOWING WHO'S GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT PARTICULAR ONE ONCE ALL OF US ARE GONE THAT UNDERSTAND THAT'S WITHIN OUR REALM. I THINK IT'S JUST A FOOTNOTE UNDER THE FEDERAL FUNDING TO INCLUDE ENCOURAGING PHILANTHROPIC AND UN AND FINANCING ALTERNATIVES, WHICH INCLUDE TAX. AND I THINK THAT STATEMENT CAN JUST AS EASILY BE PUT UNDER THERE AS A PART, AS OPPOSED TO IN BRACKETS, THE WAY YOU HAVE IT DELINEATING IT WITHIN THE CITY PARK. THAT'S ALL I WAS GOING TO SAY AGAIN, MR. YOUNG, I WAS JUST SAYING TO TAKE THAT SECTION AND DELINEATING IT EITHER UNDER WAS IT 2.9 UNDER THE JOINT CITY COUNTY, UNDER FEDERAL FUNDING AND ONE OF THOSE TWO SECTIONS WHEREVER OR I MEAN, IT COULD BE ANOTHER ACTUAL LETTER, I THINK, UNDERNEATH THERE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY AND INCENTIVIZING PHILANTHROPIC. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT MAY BE BETTER SERVED THERE. THAT'S ALL. WELL, WHY DO WE WANT TO ADOPT THE COUNTY POLICY, THOUGH, FOR STREAMLINED PERMITTING PROCESSES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING? BECAUSE IF WE HAVE A JOINT CITY, THAT MEANS THAT WE'RE I MEAN, WE CAN SAY, YES, WE WANT THE CITY POLICY OR NO, WE DON'T. OR WE CAN PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH ONE IS BEST FOR US. WELL, I THINK THAT WAS ALREADY MIRRORED THE COUNTY FROM BEFORE IN THE LAST ONE. CORRECT. AND SO I THINK THAT WAS TWO. I THINK THAT'S WHAT MR. DICKMAN WAS REFERRING TO. MAYBE IF I'M WRONG. BUT, BUT AND THEY WERE REFERRING TO THAT IT WAS ORIGINALLY TO MIRROR THE COUNTIES. AND THEN RATHER THAN HAVE YOUR OWN. AND THEN THAT IS WHY THE ONE ITEM BEING PUSHED AND PUSHED IN HERE AS AN ACTIONABLE ITEM. I THOUGHT IT WAS CONSISTENT TO HAVE IT THERE AS IS THAT SO THAT PART OF IT, THERE WASN'T A CHANGE TO FOLLOW THE COUNTIES I'LL DEFER TO. WE CAN, IF YOU'RE GOING TO NOT DEFER TO THE COUNTIES AT THIS TIME, THEN YOU WOULD BE IN THE POSITION TO DEVELOP YOUR OWN. AND THAT'S ALWAYS WITHIN YOUR BANDWIDTH TO DO. BUT UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THEY'RE DEVELOPING. RIGHT. I THINK RIGHT NOW THAT IT IS PROBABLY PRUDENT TO LEAVE THERE. BUT OKAY. SO FOR ME RIGHT NOW, WE COULD DISCUSS THIS, BUT I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE REALLY LOOKED AT ON WHETHER WE WANT TO ADOPT ALL OF THESE POLICIES THAT I DIDN'T KNOW THEY HAD AND WHETHER THEY FIT FOR THE CITY. OKAY, SO WHERE WERE WE? EVERYBODY WAS COMPLETE WITH THIS SECTION. WE'RE MOVING ON TO. YES. QUESTION ON THE HOUSING. YES, THERE'S OBJECTIVE H EIGHT THAT RELATES TO IMMOKALEE ONLY. WELL, A LOT OF THEM WE DON'T REALLY NEED THAT. THAT'S A TOTALLY COUNTY FUNCTION AND CONCERN. RIGHT. WE DON'T NEED H EIGHT REGARDING. FARMWORKER HOUSING, FARM WORKER HOUSING. WE DON'T NEED ANY OF THAT. SO AGAIN, THIS IS THEIR POLICIES INCORPORATE ELEMENT. YEAH. WE ADOPT THEIR ELEMENT AS WELL. SO THEY'RE I JUST WHAT'S THE PROS AND CONS BENEFITS OR NOT BENEFITS OF PUTTING IT IN OUR PLAN? DO WE HAVE TO ADOPT ALL OF THEIRS? YEAH. OR JUST THE ONES THAT RELATE THAT HAVE SOME RELEVANCE TO THE CITY, RIGHT. CAN I HELP? YES, PLEASE. LAURA JOHNSON AND, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, RELY ON MR. DICKMAN FOR THE REAL LEGAL OPINIONS. BUT JUST I THINK JUST THIS WAS A STATIC MOMENT IN TIME WHEN FLORIDA STATUTE CAME FORWARD AND REQUIRED LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO ADDRESS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND AS A STATIC MOMENT, THE CITY AND THE COUNTY COLLABORATED WITH ONE ANOTHER AND SAID, THE CITY SAID, I CAN'T DO IT ALONE. AND THE COUNTY SAID, WELL, WE'RE IN YOUR BACKYARD. WE'RE DOING IT. AND THERE WERE DECISIONS MADE TO JOINTLY ADOPT A JOINT HOUSING ELEMENT THAT ADDRESSED AFFORDABILITY NEEDS FOR THIS AREA. SO THE CITY INCORPORATED ALL COUNTY RELATED POLICIES THAT DISPLAY THAT. THERE'S BEEN CONSIDERATION BECAUSE THERE COULD VERY WELL BE PEOPLE LIVING IN IMMOKALEE WHO WORK IN DOWNTOWN NAPLES. SO THEREFORE, YOUR YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ACKNOWLEDGES WHAT IS BEING DONE, NOT JUST HERE WITHIN YOUR CITY LIMITS, BUT ON THE OUTSKIRTS OF THE CITY LIMITS TO ACCOMMODATE WORKFORCE AND PEOPLE WHO MIGHT NOT HAVE THE MEANS TO LIVE HERE, BUT DO WORK HERE. AND THOSE SHARED POLICIES, GOALS, OBJECTIVES WERE IN A MOMENT OF TIME, A SNAPSHOT AGREED TO, YOU KNOW, JUST IMAGINE HANDS [02:30:02] SHAKING AND OKAY, WE'RE PUTTING THE SAME POLICIES IN EACH OTHER'S COMP PLANS, CITY, COUNTY, SAME POLICIES. WE ALL AGREE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS BEING ADDRESSED IN THIS WAY. AND THAT HAPPENED ONE MOMENT IN TIME. AND WE'RE ALL ACKNOWLEDGING THAT IT WASN'T PART OF THE SCOPE OF WORK HERE TO RENEGOTIATE, REOPEN UP, REENGAGE WITH THE COUNTY AND TALK ABOUT WHAT HAVE THEY DONE IN THE PAST 15 YEARS. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO IN THE PAST 15 YEARS AND FORWARD? THAT WASN'T PART OF THE SCOPE OF THIS PLANNING EFFORT. SO YOU'RE SEEING THAT STATIC MOMENT IN TIME BROUGHT INTO YOUR COMP PLAN, JUST AS IT SAT FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS OR SO. AND SOME OF THAT'S GOOD STUFF. YOU KNOW, THAT'S A GOOD RECOGNITION THAT WE CAN'T DO IT ALONE IN THE CITY. WE COUNT ON THE COUNTY. THERE'S GOT TO BE COLLABORATION. WE'VE GOT TO JOINTLY TRY TO TACKLE THIS ISSUE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND THE ADDITION THAT KIND OF SPURRED ALL THIS DEBATE AND CONCERN WAS A PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD MENTIONING OF LIKE, ASPIRATIONS TO DO MORE. AND YOU GOT SOME VERBIAGE IN HERE THAT TALKS ABOUT SOMETHING DIFFERENT. KIND OF A ANOTHER TWIST OF HELPING US WORK THROUGH SOME PHILANTHROPIC OPPORTUNITIES. BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE BEING HEARD AND YOUR MANAGER IS BEING HEARD LOUD AND CLEAR THAT THAT MIGHT NOT BE DESIRABLE TO BE WRITTEN THAT WAY AT THIS TIME. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. BUT MR. DICKMAN ON ON H-2, IT USED TO BE NINE. IT'S NOW TEN WORKFORCE HOUSING DENSITY BONUS ORDINANCE REVIEW. THIS IS AGREEING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GO WITH THE COUNTY'S. IT'S A COUNTY SO IT'S UNDER THE HEADING OF COUNTY POLICY. YES. SO AGAIN THAT'S THAT SNAPSHOT OF THE CITY AND THE COUNTY BOTH ADOPTING THE SAME LANGUAGE. BUT IT'S UNDER THE HEADING OF A COUNTY POLICY. SO THE CITY IS NOT THE ENTITY DOING IT. THE COUNTY IS THE ENTITY DOING IT. YOU ARE RECOGNIZING THAT THAT ACTION IS GOING ON IN YOUR LARGER REGION. GREAT. THAT'S WONDERFUL. EXCEPT FOR SOMETIMES THE COUNTY POLICY COVERS A CITY. THERE'S A FEW POLICIES NOT IN THE HOUSING THAT I COULD REFER TO, BUT MR. DICKMAN, WOULD THAT BE A POLICY THAT A DEVELOPER COULD GRAB ONTO? BEING THAT WE ARE IN JOINT POLICIES AND GO FOR THE DENSITY BONUS? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I'LL TELL YOU THAT YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT POLICY DOCUMENT. AND IT IT IS NOT JUST A FEEL GOOD DOCUMENT. IT'S A LEGALLY REQUIRED BINDING DOCUMENT WITH POLICIES IN IT. SO TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU BELIEVE YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER SOMETHING, AND I'M LOOKING AT THIS, THE ONES THAT ARE IN BLACK TEXT, THAT'S ORIGINAL LANGUAGE, RIGHT? SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THE CONSULTANTS OR ANYONE ELSE WROTE. THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO ORGANIZE IT SO THAT IT'S BETTER UNDERSTOOD. BUT IF YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT, I THINK MAYBE YOU SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE A STATEMENT IN HERE VERY CLEARLY SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ADOPTING THIS AS IN THE SPIRIT IN WHICH LAURA HAD MENTIONED THAT HOUSING IS A YOU KNOW, FOLKS THAT WORK IN IN THE CITY MAY LIVE IN HOUSING AND OTHER PLACES, BUT I WOULD MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR. YES, I YOU KNOW, YOU COULD I COULD FORESEEABLY SEE SOMEONE SAYING, WELL, ARE YOU GUYS ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTING THIS? IT SAYS SO IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO MAYBE WE DROP A FOOTNOTE OR DO SOMETHING AND JUST SAY, I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL LOCAL AGREEMENT ON THIS ISSUE OF HOUSING OR NOT, OR IF THIS WAS, AS LAURA SAID, A HANDSHAKE OR WE DO HAVE A RESOLUTION. SO I WOULD JUST REFERENCE THAT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THE CITY IS NOW RESPONSIBLE FOR IMPLEMENTING IT. BUT WE WE ADOPTED AND ARE ACTIVELY CONCERNED ABOUT IT. THERE'S ANOTHER THING. SORRY, I WAS JUST GOING TO POINT TO THAT POINT. I WAS GOING TO POINT OUT, THANKS TO LAURA H-2 PAGE TASK TWO. THERE'S A NOTE AT THE BOTTOM THAT TALKS A LITTLE MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE FACT, AND I'LL JUST READ IT HERE, TALKS ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE JOINT POLICIES. HOWEVER, SOME POLICIES PERTAIN TO ONLY ONE JURISDICTION AND THEREFORE ARE SPECIFICALLY REFERENCED AS A CITY OF NAPLES POLICY OR COUNTY POLICIES. POLICIES THAT ARE ASTERISKS ARE INCLUDED FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY. PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 163. FLORIDA STATUTE IDENTIFIED AS COUNTY POLICIES ARE NOT BEING ADOPTED BY THE CITY OF NAPLES. SO YOU'RE REFERENCING THAT THESE ARE COUNTY POLICIES ADOPTED IN THEIR PLAN. THEY ARE NOT THE CITY'S POLICIES, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. SO THESE [02:35:03] FOOTNOTES ARE FOOTNOTES THAT ARE GOING INTO THE NEW COMP PLAN, BECAUSE I SEE IT SAYS FOR NO ASTERISK, BUT A FOR. RIGHT. SO THERE ARE H TWO IS THE NOTE THAT I MENTIONED. IT'S AT THE BOTTOM AND IN BOLD. SO FOR EXAMPLE, ON PAGE H NINE THAT H-2 FORMERLY NINE NOW TEN AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING DENSITY BONUS ORDINANCE REVIEW THAT'S NOTED AS INCLUDED FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY PURSUANT TO POLICIES ARE ONLY ADOPTED BY THE JURISDICTION LISTED DIRECTLY ABOVE THE POLICY. SO THAT IS NOT A CITY POLICY. IT IS A COUNTY POLICY. AND MY INTERPRETATION WOULD BE TO YOU IF YOU DO NOT HAVE A HOUSING AFFORDABLE HOUSING DENSITY BONUS WITHIN YOUR LDC, YOU WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE SOMETHING TO ACT UPON AS PART OF A DEVELOPMENT PROCESS. BUT THIS CLARIFIES THAT THAT IS THE COUNTY'S POLICY AND NOT THE CITY'S POLICY. AGREED, ERICA. FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, WE DO HAVE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING SECTION OF THE CODE. THANK YOU. DAVID. WE DO HAVE AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING SECTION OF OUR CODE, AND IT DOES HAVE A SPECIFIC DENSITY ALLOWANCE. IT'S NOT LISTED AS A DENSITY BONUS, BUT IT DOES ALLOW FOR A DIFFERENT TREATMENT. IT'S A VERY OUTDATED SECTION OF THE CODE. I DON'T THINK THIS HAS BEEN TOUCHED SINCE THE 90S. SO IT'S IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T RELY ON THE DENSITY BONUS PROCESS THAT THERE MAY BE IN THE COUNTY, BUT THERE IS A DENSITY PRESCRIBED FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE CODE. SO YEAH, SO SHE'S MISS MARTIN'S POINTING OUT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT IS AN ADDITIONAL STEP TO THIS IS GOING TO BE MAKING SURE OUR CODE, WHICH IS THE IMPLEMENTATION TOOL OF ALL OF THESE GOALS, OBJECTIVES, POLICIES AND ACTIONS. SO THAT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER LARGER STEP FOR US TO DO. CORRECT. BUT UNLESS IT'S DONE SIMULTANEOUSLY, THAT'S WHY WE'RE IN THE LITTLE BIT OF. CONFLICT THAT WE HAVE WITH THE CODE NOT MATCHING THE TRUE. BUT I THINK WE'RE DOING THIS IN THE ORDER THAT YOU YOUR COMP PLAN, AND THEN YOU AMEND YOUR CODE TO REFLECT YOUR COMP PLAN. YES, BUT RIGHT AWAY, NOT NEXT YEAR OR FIVE YEARS. SO WHAT'S THAT CODE YOU'RE REFERRING TO? THIS IS JUST SECTION 56 DASH 82, WHICH IS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SECTION OF THE CODE. IT'S NOT A HUGE DENSITY BONUS AS YOU WOULD IMAGINE. IT'S 16 UNITS PER ACRE, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN SOME OF OUR STANDARD ZONING DISTRICTS WOULD ALLOW. BUT OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO KEEPING THAT IN MIND. THANK YOU. YEP. OKAY. YEAH. READY? READY. OKAY. MOVING TO THE NEXT SECTION. GREAT. I'LL MAKE SPACE FOR AARON. UP THERE. SURE. SOMETHING TO REFERENCE. OKAY. THANKS, AARON. AARON. ELDERLY PA, I AM A SUB CONSULTANT ON THIS TEAM. I'M GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH THE CONSERVATION AND COASTAL MANAGEMENT ELEMENT CHANGES THE NEW RESILIENCY ELEMENT. AND THEN I'M GOING TO HANDLE A PORTION OF THE PUBLIC FACILITIES. SO OVERALL THE CONSERVATION AND COASTAL MANAGEMENT ELEMENT DID NOT UNDERGO A LOT OF CHANGE. MOST OF THE CHANGES THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THIS DRAFT ARE CLEANUP OR PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT WE RECEIVED, OR STAFF COMMENTS THAT WE'VE RECEIVED, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ONE OF THE THE ENDING OBJECTIVES THAT WAS RELATED TO RESILIENCY. WE HAVE NOW MOVED THAT INTO A NEW RESILIENCY ELEMENT OF THE COMP PLAN BECAUSE WE'RE ADDRESSING IT MORE ACTIVELY. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE CONSERVATION AND COASTAL MANAGEMENT ELEMENT, CONSIDER VULNERABILITY TO FLOOD BEFORE NEW PUBLIC FACILITIES ARE ADDED. SO THIS, YOU KNOW, PUTS THE INQUIRY ON THE ON THE CITY TO LOOK AT NOT JUST CURRENT BUT FUTURE FLOOD RISK. AND WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT ADDING A NEW PROJECT OR A CAPITAL PROJECT THAT YOU ARE EVALUATING, THAT THAT PROJECT CAN WITHSTAND A CERTAIN LEVEL OF FLOOD RISK IF IT'S CRITICAL TO THAT ASSET OR THAT FACILITY. ADDING THAT TITLE FLOODING MUST BE CONSIDERED WHEN NEW IMPROVEMENTS ARE PROPOSED TO EVACUATION ROUTES TO MAKE SURE THAT AS WE ARE SEEING MORE TIDAL FLOODING, PARTICULARLY IN THE FALL MONTHS OF THE YEAR, THAT THE EVACUATION ROUTES CAN CAN WITHSTAND THAT, THAT TIDAL FLOODING, MODIFYING LANGUAGE ON PROJECTS AND COASTAL HIGH HAZARD AREAS AND LIMITING EXPENDITURES IN THOSE AREAS. THAT IS A REQUIREMENT OF CHAPTER ONE 6331, 78. THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY IN THE POLICY DID NOT REFLECT THE STATUTORY LANGUAGE AS WELL. SO [02:40:06] WE UPDATED THAT LANGUAGE TO PARROT THE STATUTORY LANGUAGE. THIS IS A BIG ONE, ACCOUNTING FOR CURRENT AND FUTURE FLOOD RISKS TO THE EXTENT PRACTICABLE. THE REASON WE USE THE LANGUAGE TO THE EXTENT PRACTICABLE, IS THAT THE CITY MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ADAPT ALL OF ITS INFRASTRUCTURE EQUITABLY THROUGHOUT THE CITY. AN EXAMPLE OF THAT IS EXISTING ROADS AND ADAPTATION OF EXISTING ROADS AND BUILT NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY. YOU KNOW, HIGHER ROAD IS A WIDER ROAD. AND SO WHAT THE CITY'S APPROACH TO ADAPTATION OF THAT ROAD MAY BE IS JUST SIMPLY CONTINUING TO MAINTAIN IT, BECAUSE ACTUAL ADAPTATION MAY NOT BE POSSIBLE. SO ACCOUNTING FOR THAT AND HAVING THAT EVALUATION PROCESS IN THE CONTEXT OF OVERALL ADAPTATION IS IMPORTANT. WE RENAMED REORGANIZED OBJECTIVE SIX AND MORE ACCURATELY REFLECT THE PERIL OF FLOOD LEGISLATION WHICH WAS ENACTED, I BELIEVE, IN 2016. WAIT, MISS D, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT IN THE ACTUAL SECTIONS, I KNOW THIS IS A SLIDE IN THE POWERPOINT. WHERE WHAT SECTION ARE YOU IN? I'M IN CONSERVATION AND COASTAL MANAGEMENT ELEMENT. YES. AND OBJECTIVE SIX. SO WHEN YOU LAST FOR THAT PAGE, I'M JUST SORRY. SO COUNCIL. 231 OR BACK TO. 238. I DON'T HAVE THE ACTUAL PDF PAGE NUMBERS TO REFER TO. RIGHT. OBJECTIVE. SIX SO WHEN YOU LAST UPDATED YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR STATUTORY COMPLIANCE, PERIL OF FLOOD WAS A NEW STATUTORY PROVISION THAT YOU NEEDED TO UPDATE IT FOR. AND WHAT WE DID WITH THIS SECTION IS WE ADDED SOME LANGUAGE AND INSTEAD OF CALLING THAT REAL PROPERTY PROTECTION, WE RENAMED THAT OBJECTIVE TO BE PARALLEL FLOOD BECAUSE THAT IS HOW IT IS PORTRAYED IN THE STATUTE. FROM A POLICY PERSPECTIVE, REAL PROPERTY PROTECTION IS SOMETHING VERY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE STATUTE REQUIRED, AND THE CITY MAY NOT BE IN THE BUSINESS OF ADAPTING INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES FOR FOR SEA LEVEL RISE AND TIDAL FLOODING ISSUES. SO WE RENAMED THAT OBJECTIVE TO BE PARALLEL FLOODS. SO IT MATCHED THE ACTUAL STATUTORY INTENT OF WHAT THOSE POLICIES ARE SUPPOSED TO SUPPOSED TO DO. CONSIDERING YOUR RECENT VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT AND ADAPTATION PLAN. SO THE CITY HAS RECEIVED TWO GRANTS AND DONE A LOT OF WORK. IN 2023, YOU CONDUCTED A VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT, WHICH REQUIRES YOU TO EVALUATE CERTAIN TYPES OF FLOOD RISK IN THE 2040 AND 2070 TIMEFRAME, AND YOU HAVE NOT DONE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE TO GIVE YOU THAT OPPORTUNITY TO INTEGRATE THE OUTCOMES OF THAT VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT OR THAT ADAPTATION PLAN THAT YOU DID IN 2024. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS DATA AND ANALYSIS, AND THAT IS INCLUDED WITHIN THE POLICY LANGUAGE WHERE APPROPRIATE. AND THEN OBJECTIVE EIGHT IS THE ONE THAT I REFERENCED. THAT WAS A SECTION OF CURRENT RESILIENCY POLICIES THAT YOU HAD. BUT WE WANTED TO STREAMLINE THE WHOLE RESILIENCY ELEMENT, MOVE THAT OUT OF THE COASTAL ELEMENT, AND GREATLY EXPAND HOW WE ARE ADDRESSING RESILIENCY COMMUNITY WIDE FOR THE CITY. SO THOSE ARE THE MAIN CHANGES. I THINK I HAVE ONE MORE SLIDE ON COASTAL. WE DID GET SOME FEEDBACK ON SOME LANGUAGE. THIS IS SLIDE 16 ABOUT ADDING LANGUAGE RELATED TO RESTRICTION AGAINST ACTIVITIES THAT DAMAGE OR DESTROY COASTAL RESOURCES. WE WANTED TO SEPARATE OUT DIFFERENT TYPES OF BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES FOR WATER QUALITY, THOSE THAT ARE MORE RELATED TO COASTAL OR MARINE SYSTEMS OR MARINAS VERSUS THOSE THAT ARE UPLAND RELATED TO STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. ADDING THAT WATERFRONT AND SHORELINE ACTIVITIES MUST PROTECT AND ENHANCE ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS OF THE SHORELINE. AND THEN WE ADDED MORE LANGUAGE ON THE QUALITY OF THE COASTAL ZONE ENVIRONMENT. WE GOT A LOT OF FEEDBACK IN THE PUBLIC MEETINGS ABOUT THIS, AND WE GOT SOME VERY SPECIFIC STAFF COMMENTS ON THAT. SO MOST OF THE CHANGES IN COASTAL LEAVE THE COASTAL ELEMENT INTACT AND ADD SOME MORE DETAILS AND DO A LITTLE BIT MORE ORGANIZATION. SO I'LL STOP THERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO RESILIENCY. IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES. NO. OKAY. RESILIENCY IS KIND OF LIKE WHAT I WOULD CALL THE BIG ENCHILADA. IT IS A NEW ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO ADOPT OPTIONAL ELEMENTS OF THE COMP PLAN. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS RESILIENCY ELEMENT DOES. THIS WAS A STRONG THEME, GOING RIGHT BACK TO THE ORIGINAL SCOPE OF WORK THAT [02:45:04] THIS CONSULTING TEAM WAS GIVEN. THIS WAS PROBABLY THE NUMBER ONE, IF NOT ONE OF THE NUMBER ONE ISSUES THAT WE HEARD BACK FROM THE COMMUNITY. ALSO WITHIN THE SURVEYING AND THE ATTENDANCE AT THE WORKSHOPS. AND WE'VE HEARD THIS FROM THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AND JUST THROUGHOUT CONVERSATIONS THAT WE'VE HAD. SO WE ADDED AN INTRODUCTORY SECTION. WE GOT SOME COMMENTS FROM THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD TO BEEF UP SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE WITHIN THE INTRODUCTION, WHICH WE HAVE DONE, AND GOT SOME SMALL CLARIFICATIONS FROM STAFF ON THAT. AND WHAT THIS POLICY DOES IS IN KEEPING WITH THE STRUCTURE OF HAVING ONE GOAL AND THEN SUPPORTING OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES. WE'VE DONE THAT FOR THE OVERALL RESILIENCE ELEMENT, BUT THE GOAL IS LARGELY FOCUSED ON LAYING OUT THIS GROUNDWORK THAT WE ARE GOING TO DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY. WE'RE NOT JUST GOING TO LOOK AT FLOODING SCENARIOS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST. WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT FLOODING SCENARIOS AS WE PROJECT THEM TO BE IN THE FUTURE, BECAUSE YOU'VE DONE THIS GREAT WORK WITHIN THE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT TO HELP PROVIDE DATA TO DO THAT. AND IT BRINGS IN THIS PHILOSOPHY OF ALSO HEAT RELATED IMPACTS, NOT JUST FLOODING, BUT THOSE ARE THE TWO PRIMARY RESILIENCY STRESSORS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN THIS ELEMENT. AND THEN LOOKING AT HOW THE CITY IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD, REACT TO THIS DATA AND THE ADAPTATION DECISIONS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE. SO OBJECTIVE ONE IS STRENGTHENING COMMUNITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE RESOURCES. SO YOU'VE DEVELOPED DATA. NOW IT'S TIME TO TAKE THAT DATA AND INTEGRATE IT INTO YOUR DAY TO DAY DECISION MAKING REGARDING CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, INFRASTRUCTURE, HOW YOU PROTECT YOUR NATURAL RESOURCES, AND HOW YOU DEAL WITH FLOODING, CONTINUING TO EXHIBIT LEADERSHIP IN THIS AREA WITH YOUR OTHER STAKEHOLDER PARTNERS, NOT FOR PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS, THE COUNTY, THE AGENCIES, FOR INSTANCE, SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, PROVIDING THAT DATA TO DIFFERENT ENTITIES AND GETTING COMMENTS BACK AND THEN COMMUNICATIONS RELATED TO RESILIENCY. ONE OF THE POLICIES THAT WE'VE HAD SOME BACK AND FORTH ON WITH, WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE IS HOW WE COMMUNICATE WITH THE COMMUNITY. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? WHAT IS THE BURDEN ON STAFF, YOU KNOW, WORKING THROUGH THAT? BUT WE BELIEVE THAT COMMUNICATIONS ABOUT RESILIENCY, I MEAN, IT'S HAPPENING. YOU KNOW, THIS THIS COAST HAS BEEN HIT PRETTY HARD BY STORM EVENTS. YOU'RE SEEING MORE TIDAL FLOODING. THE CONVERSATION IS HAPPENING. AND HAVING A POLICY RELATED TO FACILITATING THAT CONVERSATION AND BEING A PART OF THAT, THAT CONVERSATION IS IMPORTANT. AND THEN POLICY ARE DASH 1.5. THAT'S ON THE BOTTOM OF RESILIENCY. PAGE FIVE. UPDATING CITY AND REGIONAL AND PUBLIC OFFICIALS ON THE STATUS OF YOUR RESILIENCY INITIATIVES AND HOW YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD. AGAIN, CONTINUING THAT COMMUNICATION. SO THAT IS OBJECTIVE ONE. OBJECTIVE TWO IS REALLY GETTING INTO THE MEAT OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THIS NEW ELEMENT. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY DATA COLLECTION AND UPDATING THAT DATA COLLECTION AND FURTHER ANALYSIS THAT MAY NEED TO BE DONE. LOOKING AT STORMWATER INITIATIVES, HARMONIZING RESILIENCY AND STORMWATER BECAUSE STORMWATER IS NOT THE END ALL BE ALL OF FLOOD RESILIENCY BECAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT TYPES OF FLOOD RISK, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, INLAND, YOU'RE DEALING WITH STORMWATER. BUT WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH COASTAL PROPERTIES, YOU'RE DEALING WITH EXACERBATED STORMWATER CONSTRAINTS AS WELL AS INCREASING TIDAL FLOODING, THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE AN ASSET INVENTORY THAT WAS CREATED IN YOUR VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT AND UPDATING THAT ASSET INVENTORY OVER TIME, YOU CAN'T MANAGE YOUR ASSETS IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT CONDITION THEY'RE IN OR WHERE THEY ARE AT. SO THAT IS AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT OF, OF THE DATA. AND THEN INTEGRATING THIS IS THE BIG ONE, INTEGRATING FLOOD RISK DATA INTO CAPITAL PLANNING AND PUBLIC FACILITIES PLANNING. AND WE WILL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE PUBLIC FACILITIES ELEMENT AND THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ELEMENT ABOUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. THE POINT IS THAT WHEN YOU ARE BRINGING ON LINE A NEW CAPITAL FACILITIES PROJECT, YOU WANT TO KNOW THAT YOU'VE CONSIDERED NOT JUST FLOOD RISK IN THE PAST, BUT WHAT IS THE FLOOD RISK OF THAT FACILITY IN THE FUTURE, CONSIDERING THAT MAY MEAN THAT YOU DESIGN IT SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY, OR YOU ELEVATE THE ELECTRICAL CONTROLS ASSOCIATED WITH IT, OR YOU INCREASE THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION OF THAT BUILDING OR FACILITY. SO ADDRESSING ALL OF THAT WITHIN YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING IS HUGELY IMPORTANT. AND SO WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY SUPPORTING POLICIES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. THAT TAKES YOU THROUGH PRETTY MUCH UP TO OBJECTIVE THREE, WHICH IS [02:50:06] ADDRESSING THE VULNERABILITIES OF NEIGHBORHOODS. AND THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT DISTINCTION THAT WE MAKE WITHIN THIS RESILIENCY ELEMENT. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CITY ADAPTATION OF ASSETS, INFRASTRUCTURE, NATURAL RESOURCE AREAS, THINGS THAT YOU OWN OR CONTROL OR THAT, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE FACILITIES, HOSPITALS, ROADS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT DEPEND ON THE FUNCTIONALITY OF YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE. THAT'S ONE LEVEL OF ADAPTATION. IT'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BALL GAME WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS. THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THOSE SAME OBLIGATIONS, AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT HOW THEY WANT TO ADAPT THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTIES. THAT MAY MEAN THAT THEY WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT INCREASING THE HEIGHT OF SEAWALLS OR SHORELINES. THAT IS GOING TO BE INDIVIDUAL DECISIONS THAT PROPERTY OWNERS ARE GOING TO MAKE. AND THE CITY THAT HAS A ROLE IN IN THAT CONVERSATION, OF COURSE, A LOT OF THAT IS CONTROLLED BY FEMA REGULATIONS. YOU HAVE TO YOUR FLORIDA BUILDING CODE RELATED TO TO FLOODING. BUT THIS DISTINCTION IS HUGELY IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT MANAGES EXPECTATIONS ABOUT WHAT THE CITY CAN DO, WILL DO, AND MAY NOT DO, AND WHAT IS GOING TO BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNER OR BUSINESS OWNER. WE HAVE IN HERE A PROVISION ABOUT REVIEWING CODE FOR INCENTIVES RELATED TO FILL GRADING FREEBOARD OF PROPERTIES, PARTICULARLY PEOPLE THAT LIVE ALONG THE COAST. IF THEY'VE GOT AN OLDER HOME, IT'S AT BASE FLOOD ELEVATION AND THEY'RE STARTING TO SEE SALT WATER COME CREEPING UP INTO THEIR BACKYARDS AND OVER THEIR SEAWALL. YOU KNOW, YOU WANT TO ALLOW THEM TO POTENTIALLY ADAPT THEIR SHORELINE. BUT THERE'S A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN FILL LOT GRADING AND PUTTING IN A NEW SEAWALL. WE SEE THIS ALL UP AND DOWN, YOU KNOW, ON OUR COAST WHERE SOMEBODY COMES IN AND BUYS A PROPERTY, THEY PUT 4 OR 5FT OF FILL ON THEIR PROPERTY. THEY ELEVATE THEIR SEAWALL AND THEIR NEIGHBOR'S NOT SO MUCH. AND THAT POTENTIALLY CREATES AN ISSUE. SO LOOKING AT INCENTIVIZING THAT, LOOKING AT THE PHASING OF THAT, THE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN PROPERTIES, THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE A THOROUGH REVIEW OF YOUR, YOUR CODE ON DOWN THE LINE, COORDINATING YOUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT ACTIVITIES ACROSS OTHER PROGRAMS. YOU'RE VERY ACTIVE PARTICIPANT IN THE NFIP COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM PROGRAM. THERE'S MODELING THAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW TO HELP FURTHER THOSE INITIATIVES AND COORDINATING ACROSS THOSE THOSE PHILOSOPHIES IN THOSE PROGRAMS, AND THEN OUTREACH AND EDUCATION TO PROPERTY OWNERS. IT SHOULD BE NOTED THAT WE'RE NOT SPENDING A LOT OF TIME OF POLICIES HERE SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO REGULATE PROPERTY OWNERS. IT'S MORE OF A WORKING PARTNERSHIP WITH PROPERTY OWNERS, LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES IN THE CODE, INCENTIVIZING AND HAVING THAT THAT CONVERSATION, PARTICULARLY WITH EDUCATION AND OUTREACH. I WATCHED YOUR FLOODING. I THINK IT WAS YOUR ELEVATION AND YOUR FLOOD BARRIER WORKSHOP THAT YOU HAD BACK IN NOVEMBER, AND YOU HAD A GREAT TURNOUT. AND THAT WAS A VERY IMPORTANT COMMUNITY EDUCATION CONVERSATION. AND SO WE'RE SAYING YOU NEED TO CONTINUE THOSE OBJECTIVE FOR. UP TO PAGE. R DASH 15 IDENTIFYING LOCATIONS AT RISK. THIS IS WHEN YOU START TO LOOK AT WHAT ARE OUR OPPORTUNITIES FOR SHORELINE ADAPTATION. YOU'VE HAD A PRESENTATION. YOU'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY MODIFYING YOUR SHORELINE REGULATIONS. WHAT POLICIES CAN BE IN PLACE TO TO POTENTIALLY DO THAT? YOU KNOW, RIGHT SHORELINE, RIGHT PLACE. YOU'RE NOT PUTTING LIVING SHORELINES IN NARROW CANALS, BUT ON OPEN FACING WATERWAYS. MAYBE THAT'S A MORE APPROPRIATE TYPE OF THING FOR THAT SHORELINE ADOPTION, LAND PROTECTION, NATURE BASED SOLUTIONS. THE GOVERNOR JUST SIGNED INTO LAW A, A NEW STATUTE THAT REALLY IS GOING TO FORCE THE EPA TO LOOK AT NATURE BASED SOLUTIONS AND COME UP WITH SOME GUIDELINES AND RULES RELATED TO THAT. AND THAT TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, NATURE IS OUR BEST STRATEGY IN DEFENSE STRATEGY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS. AND THEN THE CODEPENDENCY OF RESILIENCY, WE HAVE SOME SMALL ONES IN THERE RELATED TO WATER QUALITY. SO YOU WILL SEE FROM A FORMATTING PERSPECTIVE, MOST OF THIS ELEMENT IS IN BLUE UNDERLINE, MEANING IT'S ALL NEW LANGUAGE COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THERE IS SOME RED LANGUAGE THERE WHERE WE DELETED IT FROM THE LAST DRAFT BECAUSE WE FOUND ONE OF THE POLICIES WAS REPETITIVE, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THIS IS ALL NEW LANGUAGE TO DEAL WITH COMPREHENSIVE COMMUNITY RESILIENCY. SO I'LL STOP THERE IF THERE ARE ANY COMMENTS [02:55:02] RELATED TO THIS ELEMENT. IT'S ALL NEW LANGUAGE. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. NOT TAKEN FROM ANY OTHER AREAS OF THE OLD. NO. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. YEAH. SHOULDN'T SOMETHING BE IN HERE SINCE WE YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THIS BORDERLINE DEVELOPMENT ISSUE AND WE HAVE THIS SHARED WATERSHEDS WITH THE COUNTY. SHOULDN'T BE SOMETHING IN HERE ABOUT COOPERATION AGREEMENTS BECAUSE WE'RE SO INTERDEPENDENT. I MEAN, THERE'S SO MUCH OF OUR ISSUES ARE CODEPENDENT. I THINK WE HAVE SOME LANGUAGE IN THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION ELEMENT, BUT WE CAN DOUBLE CHECK. AND IF IT'S NOT SUFFICIENT, WE CAN CERTAINLY ADD SOMETHING. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I THINK IT'S UNDER. OR IT WAS IN. A DIFFERENT SECTION UNDER PUBLIC FACILITIES. IT'S BEEN A. WE WILL CERTAINLY FOLLOW UP ON THAT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. BLANKENSHIP. JUST A GENERAL COMMENT. GIVEN THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS ELEMENT AND THE EXERCISE WE'RE GOING THROUGH, I THOUGHT WE WOULD HAVE IDENTIFIED MORE ACTIONS. AND MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE THE WAY THE POLICIES ARE WRITTEN THAT THOSE INCLUDE IMPLIED ACTIONS. OR WOULD IT JUST WOULD IT BE BETTER TO SPECIFICALLY BREAK OUT MORE ACTIONS SO THEY GET MORE ATTENTION? WE CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. AND IN LANGUAGE, I DO THINK THE POLICIES IN THIS PARTICULAR ELEMENT ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE ACTION ORIENTED BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE DRAFTING IT, WE KIND OF HAD THAT PHILOSOPHY ALREADY IN MIND FROM THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED ON THE OTHER ELEMENTS, BUT WE CAN MAKE THAT DISTINCTION TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE IT'S MORE ON PARITY WITH THE OTHER ELEMENTS. AND I THINK IN A LOT OF CASES, WE HAVE ACTIONS OR WE'VE IDENTIFIED ACTIONS, OR WE EITHER ARE TAKING OR PLAN TO TAKE. AND MAYBE IT'S A MATTER OF JUST PULLING THEM ALL. YEAH, I THINK YOU COULD BE CORRECT IN THAT. AND YEAH, MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. EVEN SPECIFICALLY IN SECTIONS WHERE IT SAYS YOU SHALL CONDUCT A WORKSHOP ONCE A YEAR TO UPDATE. WELL, THAT'S YOUR RESILIENCY ONE. AND THAT ONE, YOU REMEMBER WHEN WE DID IT IN AUGUST, WE SAID THIS SHOULD BE A LIVING, BREATHING DOCUMENT AND IT SHOULD BE UPDATED EVERY YEAR. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THOSE THINGS THAT ARE POLICY THAT I THINK, YEAH, ESPECIALLY IN THAT SECTION SHOULD SHOULD BE ACTION DRIVEN. SO I THINK THAT'S A GREAT COMMENT. WE CAN DO THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. HEARING NO MORE COMMENTS. I WILL COVER A PORTION OF PUBLIC FACILITIES AND WATER RESOURCES ELEMENT. AND THEN CHRISTIE. CHRISTIE IS GOING TO TAKE OVER. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE, YOU KNOW, UPDATING AND INCORPORATE ANY NEW INFORMATION FROM THE TEN YEAR WATER SUPPLY FACILITY'S WORK PLAN FOR RESILIENCY. WE'VE ACTUALLY ADDED A LOT. AND THIS IS, YOU KNOW, KIND OF NOT AN ELEMENT THAT ALWAYS APPEARS ON PEOPLE'S RADAR SCREENS WHEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT RESILIENCY. THEY TRADITIONALLY THINK OF IT IN COASTAL OR A NEW RESILIENCY ELEMENT. BUT HERE WE HAVE INCORPORATED A LOT OF KEY CONCEPTS. FOR INSTANCE, WE'VE ADDED THE CONCEPT OF OF MAINTENANCE AND POSSIBLY NOT ADOPTING PUBLIC FACILITIES. AN EXAMPLE OF THAT MAY BE A ROAD. I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT YOU MAY DECIDE YOU DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT OF WAY, AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE COMMUNITY SUPPORT TO ELEVATE IT. AND SO IT'S STILL A LEGAL OBLIGATION THAT YOU MAINTAIN THAT ROAD. AND SO YOU MAY PUT THAT IN A MAINTENANCE ONLY STATUS, AND YOU MAY NOT ACTUALLY ADAPT IT TO KEEP UP WITH TIDAL FLOODING AND MORE INCREASED FLOODING THAT IT'S SEEING. WE GOT A COMMENT FROM STAFF ABOUT ADDING FIREFIGHTING NEEDS TO THE WATER LEVEL OF SERVICE, SO WE ADDED SOME LANGUAGE RELATED TO ■THAT. WE ARE PROPOSING TO UPDATE YOUR STORM WATER LEVEL OF SERVICE, AND I WILL TAKE YOU TO THAT LANGUAGE. IT IS ON THE BOTTOM OF P W OUR TERRIBLE ACRONYM, SEVEN PAGE SEVEN. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, WE RECEIVED SOME STAFF COMMENTS TO UPDATE THE STORMWATER LEVEL OF SERVICE OVERALL TO BE THE MORE RESTRICTIVE OF THE DESIGN EVENT FOR SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, OR WHAT WAS ADOPTED TO BE ON THE BOOKS, WHICH IS A PRETTY HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE. WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THAT. WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS THE NEW PARAGRAPH C ON PAGE SEVEN THERE, WHICH ESSENTIALLY SAYS YOU WANT THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE TO FUNCTION WITH A TITLE FLOODING TAIL [03:00:04] WATER CONDITION. AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS IF YOU'RE PUTTING IN A NEW, YOU KNOW, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM, YOU WANT TO KNOW THAT WITH TEN INCHES OF SEA LEVEL RISE BY 2040 OR WHATEVER, THE NEXT STANDARD IS THAT THAT STORMWATER COMPONENT IS STILL GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET THAT ADOPTED DESIGN EVENT FOR RAINFALL, BECAUSE STORMWATER IS ONLY RELATED TO RAINFALL. BUT WHAT WE DO KNOW IN CERTAIN AREAS OF THE CITY IS THE ABILITY TO DRAIN IS BEING COMPROMISED BY INCREASED TIDAL FLOODING LEVELS. YOU SEE THAT EVEN MORE PRONOUNCED AT CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR, LIKE SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER. YOU KNOW, YOU MAY HAVE A 100 YEAR RAINFALL EVENT. FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, YOU THINK YOUR DRAINAGE SYSTEM IS FUNCTIONING, BUT BECAUSE THERE'S MORE TIDAL FLOODING AT THAT TIME OF THE YEAR, THE WATER CAN'T DRAIN AND THE STORMWATER SYSTEM CAN'T MANAGE IT APPROPRIATELY. SO WHAT WE ARE SAYING HERE IS THAT YOU YOU MAY HAVE TO MODEL AND EVALUATE AND DESIGN YOUR SYSTEMS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY TO MEET THAT ADOPTED LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR STORMWATER. SO OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE DONE THIS. FOR INSTANCE, PINELLAS COUNTY HAS A TAIL WATER CONDITION WITHIN THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THEIR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS. SO THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGER THINGS THAT YOU WILL SEE IN THE PUBLIC FACILITIES ELEMENT, TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE STORMWATER SYSTEMS CAN WITHSTAND PROJECTED FUTURE FLOOD RISK. INTRODUCING STORMWATER BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICES FOR FOR FLOOD CONTROL MECHANISMS, PROMOTING WATER WISE FLORIDA FRIENDLY LANDSCAPING, COORDINATION OF DATA EFFORTS. BUT I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO CHRISTIE BECAUSE THAT WAS THE BIG ONE FOR FOR PUBLIC FACILITIES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT. SO ADDITIONAL CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO THIS PARTICULAR ELEMENT. WE UPDATED THE INTRODUCTION TO REFLECT THE PURPOSE OF THE ELEMENT RELATIONSHIP TO FLORIDA STATUTES AND ITS INTEGRATION WITH THE OTHER ELEMENTS, RATHER THAN BEING A STATIC SNAPSHOT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, FACILITIES AND UTILITY SERVICES THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING PROVIDED, THE TEN YEAR WATER SUPPLY FACILITIES WORK PLAN WAS ACTUALLY ADOPTED INTO THE PLAN, INTO THE ELEMENT, AND THAT IS NOT REQUIRED BY FLORIDA STATUTES, AND WE DON'T RECOMMEND DOING THAT. YOU CAN REFER TO IT. AND THE REASON WHY IS BECAUSE IT CHANGES MORE FREQUENTLY THAN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND YOU DON'T WANT TO CONSTANTLY HAVE AN OUTDATED WORK PLAN ADOPTED INTO YOUR ELEMENT. ALL OF OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS ARE NOW BEING CONSOLIDATED WITHIN THE CONCURRENCY. SORRY, WE'RE TRYING TO FOLLOW ALONG WITH YOU. WHERE ARE YOU? I'M JUST READING. I'M JUST KIND OF RATTLING OFF SOME OF THE THINGS WE CHANGED. YEAH, WE'RE STILL ON THE PUBLIC FACILITIES AND WATER RESOURCES ELEMENT. YEAH, SURE. PAGE NUMBER. YES YES YES YES 2.9. THANK YOU SO MUCH. ALL RIGHT. SO YEAH, THAT WAS PAGE 12. AND THAT ELEMENT. AND THEN WE ADDED REFERENCES TO THE VARIOUS PUBLIC FACILITIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE MASTER PLANS THAT ARE ADOPTED OR IN THE PROCESS OF BEING UPDATED, BECAUSE THOSE ARE YOUR REAL DATA ANALYSIS THAT DRIVE THIS ELEMENT. LET'S SEE. AND THEN THERE WERE A COUPLE OF POLICIES THAT REFERRED TO OBSOLETE PROGRAMS THAT WE'VE RECOMMENDED DELETION AS WELL. OTHER REVISIONS THAT WE'VE MADE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD COMMENTS FROM THE MEETING. IN THE INTRODUCTION, THERE WAS A SECTION PREVIOUSLY THAT REFERRED TO FPL INFRASTRUCTURE. AND SINCE THE CITY DOESN'T CONTROL ANY OF THAT, WE REVISED THAT LANGUAGE TO REMOVE IT AND EMPHASIZE THE COORDINATION RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE AGENCIES. AND THERE WAS ALSO FEEDBACK FROM THE PAB THAT WE SHOULD CONSIDER LANDFILL ALTERNATIVES. SINCE COLLIER COUNTY'S LANDFILL IS REACHING CAPACITY AND THE COUNTY IS ACTIVELY EXPLORING OPTIONS TO EXPAND ITS LANDFILL CAPACITY TO ACCOMMODATE GROWTH, WE WOULD NEED DIRECTION FROM THE CITY. IF YOU WANTED TO EXPLORE OPTIONS WITH OTHER WAYS MANAGEMENT PROVIDERS, AND IF WE WANTED A SEPARATE POLICY TO ADDRESS THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ELEMENT OR ARE WE READY TO MOVE TO TRANSPORTATION? BLANKENSHIP A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. AND ON PFWR3, I UNDERSTAND THE COMMENT ABOUT F, P AND L. BUT THERE'S ALSO A DESIRE FROM A RESILIENCY STANDPOINT AND BY A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS TO ENCOURAGE OUR WORK WITH FPL TO UNDERGROUND POWER [03:05:02] MORE AND MAKE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE MORE RESILIENT SO THAT WE DON'T LOSE POWER SO OFTEN DURING STORMS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT CAN OR SHOULD BE MENTIONED. LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND IT. I KNOW THERE'S A POLICY HERE THAT RELATES TO THAT. IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE ELECTRIC. I MAY HAVE MISSED IT. I'LL FIND IT. ALL RIGHT. LET'S SEE. ALRIGHT, SO ON PAGE THIS ELEMENT, PAGE 20, EVALUATE THE SIX ONE POLICY SIX ONE EVALUATE THE FEASIBILITY AND DESIRABILITY OF PHASING IN THE UNDERGROUNDING OF UTILITIES OVER A TEN YEAR PERIOD. THAT'S PART OF AN EXISTING POLICY THAT WE'VE EXPANDED ON BECAUSE IN SOME CASES YOU'VE GOT SALT WATER INTRUSION ISSUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY BE DESIRABLE. SO THAT POLICY WAS IN THERE, AND WE WOULD SUPPORT IT IN SITUATIONS WHERE IT MAKES SENSE. OKAY, GREAT. THANKS. I JUST DIDN'T SEE THAT. THE OTHER THING I'M NOT SURE IF WE MENTIONED CELL PHONE PROVIDERS BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S A PRIVATE, THEY'RE PRIVATE ENTERPRISES AND THERE'S MULTIPLE CELL PHONE PROVIDERS, BUT SO MANY PEOPLE DON'T HAVE LANDLINES ANYMORE. AND THEY'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE LACK OF EMERGENCY SERVICE. WHEN THE CELL PHONE PROVIDERS AREN'T WORKING, THEY CAN'T CALL 911 OR CAN'T CALL LOVED ONES TO CHECK ON THEM OR WHATEVER. WE SAW THAT IN THE HURRICANES. WE SAW THAT EVEN IN THE. CARS ON FIFTH, WHERE LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE IN ONE SMALL AREA, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COULDN'T MAKE CELL PHONE CALLS. I HEAR ABOUT IT EVEN NOW, LIKE THE MIRACLE MILE SECTION AND MOORING SECTION, WHERE VERIZON AND OTHERS ARE GOING THROUGH A PROCESS TO IMPLEMENT 5G, AND THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF TRANSITIONING FROM ONE TECHNOLOGY TO ANOTHER, THE NEW ONES NOT FULLY OPERATIONAL YET, BUT THEY'VE STARTED THE OLD ONES NOT WORKING. AND A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE'S PHONES DON'T WORK. AND I DON'T KNOW TO WHAT EXTENT THE CITY HAS ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT OR SHOULD BE DOING SOMETHING, BUT I THINK OUR RESIDENTS EXPECT US TO. THEY EXPECT US TO TRY TO HELP SOLVE THAT ISSUE. WE WERE JUST KIND OF CONTEMPLATING RIGHT NOW ABOUT IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE MORE IN THE RESILIENCY ELEMENT OR EVEN INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION TO ENSURE THAT THAT COMMUNICATION ESPECIALLY IS MADE BETWEEN THE AGENCIES AND THE CITY, WHICH COULD BE TWO OPTIONS. YEAH. I'M NOT SURE, AGAIN, THAT WHAT THIS CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY IS OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN WE TWIST THE ARMS OF VERIZON AND OTHERS TO MAKE SURE THEIR SERVICE IS RELIABLE AND AVAILABLE, PRIORITIZED? YEAH, YEAH. PARTICULARLY IN DISASTER SITUATIONS. SO I THINK PUTTING A SECTION THAT. THANK YOU MAYOR. I'M SORRY, PUTTING A SECTION THAT MAYBE REFERS TO IDENTIFYING OPPORTUNITIES TO EXPAND CELL BANDWIDTH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BECAUSE WE DO GET APPROACHED FROM TIME TO TIME MAY NOT BE WHERE YOU WANT A TOWER. AND EVEN THOUGH WE DIDN'T WANT THE 5G ON ON THE RIGHT OF WAY, SOME OF THEM AREN'T HOOKED UP YET. SO WE'RE IN THIS QUANDARY, RIGHT? AND SO I THINK YOU CAN ENCOURAGE IT, BUT WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THE LIMITATIONS OF THAT ENCOURAGEMENT, WHAT YOUR GOVERNMENT ENTITY CAN IMPOSE. SO I UNDERSTAND NOT BEING SILENT TO IT. I JUST I THINK IT'S MORE OF OF A DIRECTIVE ASPIRATION AS IT IS TO A. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK WE HAVE, I DON'T WANT TO SAY OTHER THAN PROVIDING OPPORTUNITIES TO FIND OPPORTUNITIES TO INCREASE BANDWIDTH AND HAVE TOWERS, I'M NOT SURE HOW MUCH WE CAN ACTUALLY IMPOSE UPON THEM. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT FROM THAT STANDPOINT. BUT BEING SILENT AS OPPOSED TO REQUIRING BUT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO GET BETTER SERVICE. YEAH. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YEAH. I THINK THAT INCLUDING IDENTIFYING LOCATIONS WHERE THEY CAN OCCUR AND LEGALLY, I DON'T KNOW, MR. DICKMAN, TO WHAT EXTENT WE CAN OR SHOULD INCORPORATE LANGUAGE HERE OR ACTIONS THAT WE COULD, AS A CITY DO WITH THESE PROVIDERS. YEAH. I MEAN, IT'S A LEGITIMATE, I THINK A LEGITIMATE POLICY. YOU KNOW, IF IF YOU FIND THAT IT'S A PROBLEM, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S STATE LAWS THAT SUPERSEDE OR PREEMPT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS ABILITY TO STOP CERTAIN CELL TOWERS, WHETHER THEY'RE SMALL MICRO TOWERS OR BIG ONES. BUT YOU DO HAVE I WAS LOOKING AT YOUR YOUR CODE RIGHT NOW AND THERE ARE SOME REFERENCES TO TELECOMMUNICATIONS. SO I GUESS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I'M THINKING IT'S IN SOME KIND OF YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE ELEMENT. I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THINK [03:10:03] IDENTIFYING WHERE THERE ARE GAPS IN YOUR TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND WORKING WITH PROVIDERS TO TRY TO ENCOURAGE BETTER CELL SERVICE. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S TO ME, THAT'S A LEGITIMATE POLICY. EVEN IF CHAPTER 163 DOESN'T SAY AGAIN, I SAID, THAT'S THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. AS YOU HEARD ME SAY, RESILIENCY ISN'T A REQUIRED ELEMENT. SO YOU CAN YOU CAN ADD THINGS IN THERE IF YOU FEEL LIKE IT'S AN IMPORTANT POLICY FOR THE CITY, BUT IT IS, AS CITY MANAGER SAID, IT IS COMPLICATED. THERE ARE STATE LAWS AND FEDERAL LAWS THAT SUPERSEDE OR PREEMPT LOCAL GOVERNMENT, BUT YOU CAN ENCOURAGE AND THEN COORDINATE TO TRY TO GET BETTER SERVICE. I KNOW I'LL JUST TELL YOU WHERE MY LAW OFFICE IS. I CAN'T EVEN GET CELL SERVICE. IT'S HORRIBLE. YOU DO NOT HAVE A LOCAL AGREEMENT. I KNOW WITH WHAT'S THAT? WHAT'S THAT? LOCAL AGREEMENTS. YEAH. WELL IF THEY UNDER. YEAH. THERE ARE FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS THAT WE GO WE ENTER INTO. MR. YOUNG WOULD KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT. YEAH. AND THEY AND THEY, YOU KNOW APPLY FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY AGREEMENTS. THEY CAN ALSO DO THEY HAVE WE HAVE TOWERS ON SOME OF OUR LAND. SO YOU DO GET APPROACHED FROM TIME TO TIME AND THEIR DEPENDS ON WHETHER IT'S YOUR LAND DEPENDS UPON THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO AND THE STATE AS AS MR. DICKMAN SAID, WE DO VERY LITTLE TO LIMIT OR HAVE VERY LITTLE BANDWIDTH TO LIMIT ANYTHING, WHICH ISN'T WHAT WE WANT TO DO ANYWAY. BUT THEN SOME OF THEM HAVE BEEN THERE FOR OVER A YEAR AND THEY'RE NOT CONNECTED YET, AS YOU WERE INDICATING. SO YEAH, WHAT CAN WE DO TO ENCOURAGE ALL OF THAT COMPLETION? SURE. BUT, BUT I, AGAIN, I, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANYTHING WHERE WE'RE LIMITING. WE USE EVERY INSTRUMENT TO OUR ABILITY. AND WHEN SOMEONE COMES UP WITH A PROPOSAL, I THINK IS, IS BEING A GOOD LISTENER AND, AND TRYING TO FACILITATE IT IN TERMS OF, I MEAN, I SAW THE EMAIL, WHAT, A WEEK AGO FROM ALLISON RELATED TO VERIZON. I JUST DON'T ALSO KNOW HOW MUCH REALISTIC LEVERAGE WE HAVE TO GET THEM TO HOOK UP THEIR, THEIR WHERE THEY'VE GOT THE FIVE G'S OUT THERE AND AREN'T BEING UTILIZED AT THE MOMENT, BUT IT I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND IT NOT BEING SILENT IN THE COMP PLAN TO MAKE TRYING TO HELP FACILITATE THAT. THANK YOU. CARL. OKAY, GARY, DO WE GET LEAST REVENUE FROM A TOWER THAT'S ON ON GOVERNMENT LAND? SAY THAT AGAIN. DO WE GET LEAST REVENUE? YES. SO I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH, BUT JUST CURIOUS. AT LEAST NOT ALL OF THEM. YEAH. WE HAVE THE ONE THAT'S ON THE RIGHT OF WAY IS DIFFERENT THAN ON THE CITY LAND WHERE WE LEASE A LARGER TOWER. SO THAT'S WHY I SAID I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT AMOUNT. YEAH. IF CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THAT'S THE BEST LOBBYING EFFORT IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND. WHAT THEY CAN DO ON OUR RIGHT OF WAYS WITH THE THE MICRO TOWERS AND AM I CORRECT WE PRETTY GOOD LOBBYING. YEAH. THEY DON'T WE DON'T GET ANYTHING AND THEY CAN DO IT WHEREVER THEY WANT, BASICALLY. YES SIR. I'LL JUST FIVE G VERSUS JUST 5G. IT'S A HIGHER BANDWIDTH. IT ALLOWS FASTER DOWNLOADS. THEORETICALLY PHONE SHOULD WORK FASTER OR BETTER. WHATEVER THE TRUTH IS, IT DOESN'T PENETRATE CONCRETE TREES AND WHATEVER FOLIAGE STRUCTURES NEARLY AS WELL AS 4G. IT DOESN'T GO AS FAR AS 4G. ITS REAL PURPOSE WAS TO COLLECT ALL YOUR DATA. SO THEN THEY CAN CUSTOMIZE YOUR EXPERIENCE, WHICH IS MAKE THE ALGORITHM WORK BETTER FOR YOU. THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT AND TREND TRACKING YOU AND ALL THAT STUFF ANYWAY. AND YOUR CREDIT CARDS, BY THE WAY. SO THERE YOU GO FOR SOME TDC FOR YOU. OKAY, SURE. IN MY PRIOR LIFE, I OWNED A TEN ACRE OFFICE PARK WITH TWO CELL TOWERS ON IT AND NEGOTIATED WITH CROWN CASTLE AND WAS GETTING REVENUE STREAM OF $2,500 A MONTH ON ONE AND 175 ON THE OTHER, WHICH WAS GRANDFATHERED LONG AGO. BUT THERE IS INCENTIVE. AND IF WE COULD INCENT SOMEBODY TO PUT ONE OVER IN SEAGATE IN NAPLES, THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. THANK YOU. IN AGREEMENTS LIKE THAT IS WHY THEY CONVINCED THE STATE TO LET US USE OUR RIGHT OF WAYS FOR FREE. THAT'S RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO THE STORMWATER PART ON PW3 AND 3.3 POLICY. THE CLAM BAY WATER EXCHANGE COORDINATION. WHY ARE WE ELIMINATING THE NATURAL RESOURCES WILL MONITOR THE CLAM BAY COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND PURSUE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE MANAGEMENT PLAN. SO MEGAN, WHERE WHAT WAS THE POLICY? 3.6. LET'S. P F W IT WAS MOVED OVER [03:15:08] TO. 413. OH OH MY BAD. I DON'T RECALL. I DON'T RECALL WHY THIS ONE WAS STRUCK. DOESN'T MEAN IT WASN'T INTENTIONAL. ERIC YOU DON'T REMEMBER BY CHANCE. IT WAS MAYBE A STAFF REQUEST THAT THEY DON'T KNOW. I KNOW. I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS PROBABLY ONE THAT WE WORK WITH STAFF ON, AND THEY HAD SOME RECOMMENDATIONS ON THIS. I COULDN'T TELL YOU THE RATIONALE BEHIND IT, BUT I COULD DEFINITELY GET YOU THAT ANSWER AT A FUTURE DATE. OKAY, I'LL LET SCHULTZ GO FIRST AND THEN MR. DUNCAN. THANK YOU. I SERVE AS A MEMBER OF THE CLAN BAY. OKAY. WATER COMMITTEE WITH PELICAN BAY SERVICES DISTRICT. AND WE HAD ISSUES FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. WE INTERVENED AND GOT SOME COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONER HELP. AND THEN PELICAN BAY SERVICES DISTRICT, WHICH IS A WHOLLY OWNED SUBSIDIARY OF THE COUNTY. THEY STARTED PAYING ATTENTION AND NOW WE HAVE REGULAR MEETUPS WITH THEM AND WITH THE PELICAN BAY SERVICES DISTRICT. SO IF ANYBODY IS CURIOUS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE, I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE THE DREDGING IS ALMOST COMPLETE. THE REBUILDING OF THE DUNES AND THE MANGROVES, NATURE BASED SOLUTIONS ARE WELL ALONG, AND THE COOPERATION LEVEL IS SUBSTANTIALLY BETTER. SO THROUGH MANEUVER, BEFORE I WAS IN ANY OFFICES, I HAD DONE THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS CHAIRMANSHIP WITH THE CSM, BUT THAT GOT ME INTRODUCED TO MR. FOGG FROM PBSD. SO WE HAVE A REALLY GOOD CONDUIT RIGHT NOW, AT LEAST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. I'D BE GLAD TO SHARE WITH YOU ALL ANYTHING YOU MAY WANT TO KNOW ON THE DETAILS OF IT. THE CONSERVANCY FOLKS ARE THERE AT EVERY MEETING REPRESENTING THEIR INTERESTS, OUR INTERESTS, AND ANOTHER SEVERAL OTHERS. YEAH, BUT YES. THANK YOU. MY QUESTION, THOUGH IS, IS THE STAFF INVOLVEMENT THAT'S BEING ELIMINATED FROM THE NATURAL RESOURCES DEPARTMENT. SO, MR. YOUNG, YOU HAVE TO READ THE SENTENCE IN ITS ENTIRETY WHERE IT SAYS THE NATURAL RESOURCES. AND IF IF NATALIE HAS ANYTHING TO ADD TO IT, SHE'S WELCOME TO COME UP. BUT THE NATURAL RESOURCES DEPARTMENT WILL MONITOR THE CLAMBAKE COMMITTEE MEETINGS AND PURSUE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE MANAGEMENT PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE COMMITTEE. SO THE ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF, AND THIS IS JUST ME OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. YOU'RE SAYING THAT A PRIVATE COMMITTEE TURNS AROUND AND DIRECTS STAFF TO IMPLEMENT POLICY? THAT SENTENCE IS AN INTERESTING DICHOTOMY THAT I WELCOME TO SAY, WHETHER NATURAL RESOURCES EVER FOLLOWED THAT IN THE COMP PLAN. I JUST I THINK IT'S AN IT'S AN ODD TERMINOLOGY TO, TO SAY THAT YOU SHALL. I MEAN, WHATEVER THEY RECOMMEND SHALL IMMEDIATELY PICK UP AND IMPLEMENT THAT. THAT IN AND OF ITSELF SEEMED TO BE INTERESTING IN NATURE. AND I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. KNOW HOW, HOW IT WORKS IS CHAD FROM THE PELICAN BAY COLLIER COUNTY GUY IS AT EVERY MEETING AND HE'S BEELINING RIGHT BACK TO LARRY. ANYWAY, PEOPLE AT THE COUNTY AND IT'S PELICAN BAY SERVICES DISTRICT PROPERTY AND THE COUNTY'S PROPERTY WE ABUT AGAINST IT. SO THERE ARE THE ONES THAT THAT ARE TAKING ACTIONS WE DON'T HAVE. IT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY, BUT THE CLAM BAY COMMITTEE, WHICH YOU ARE A MEMBER OF. YES, MA'AM. WHICH IS ALSO FOLLOWED A BETTER WORD MONITORED BY STAFF WOULD STILL NEED TO REMAIN IN ORDER FOR STAFF TO KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE ABUTTING PROPERTIES, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO THAT DRESS. AND I AGREE, AND I HAD I CAN'T REMEMBER WHEN I BROUGHT THIS UP WITH YOU. I THINK IT WAS BEFORE I EVEN TOOK OFFICE BECAUSE IN REGARDING TO THAT, AND I HAD SUGGESTED THAT WE HAVE MAYBE NATALIE OR SOMEBODY FROM STAFF ATTEND AS BE INFORMED IN PERSON THERE. AND THAT SORT OF JUST GOT LOST IN THE ETHER AND IT'S PROBABLY ON MY, MY END, MISS CONFUSION, YOU KNOW. WELL MR. YOUNG CAN ADDRESS THAT THEN. TWO POINTS. CONTINUE TO WORK WITH COLLIER COUNTY AND THE PELICAN BAY IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. REVIEW EXCHANGE OF WATER BETWEEN CLAM BAY AND VENETIAN BAY. AND THE GOAL OF MONITORING IS CONSISTENT WITH. MR. SCHULTZ JUST INDICATED. AS FAR AS THE NATURAL RESOURCES, WE'LL CONTINUE. WE'LL MONITOR THE CLAM BAY COMMITTEE MEETINGS. I THINK THAT IF YOU WANTED TO KEEP THAT SENTENCE. BUT THE PART FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, WHICH YOU WEREN'T, IT WASN'T BEING DONE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE [03:20:03] IMPLEMENTATION ABILITIES SO THAT THE REST OF THAT SENTENCE WOULD GO AWAY BECAUSE WE DON'T IMPLEMENT WHAT COMES OUT OF THAT COMMITTEE. AND THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD REFER TO. AND I COULD FORWARD THE MINUTES OF THE MEETINGS WHEN THEY COME AVAILABLE, IF THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO ANYBODY. WHO WOULD I FORWARD THEM TO? WELL, THE STAFF WOULD BE OUR LIAISON TO, TO UNDERSTANDING. I THINK JUST THE COMMITTEE IS DOING, I THINK, LEAVING THE SENTENCE UP TO THE DEPARTMENT MEETINGS. BUT BUT BUT BECAUSE WE IT'S NOT OUR JURISDICTIONAL AREA TO IMPLEMENT. I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE LIMITATIONS SHOULD BE. SO IT DOESN'T DEFINE IT THAT WAY. WHO WOULD I WHO WOULD I FORWARD YOU SEND IT TO ME. GEORGE. NATALIE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. DONE. YOU CAN THROW IN KATIE FOR GOOD MEASURE. WELL. COULD THEY COULD YOUR MEETINGS ALSO SUBSEQUENTLY BE SENT ALONG TO ALL OF US? SO WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST ATTEND? YES. YEAH. WHEN I YEAH, WHEN I DO THAT, THE NEXT TIME I GET AN INVITE, SHOULD I, I GUESS I'LL SEND IT TO GARY FOR DISSEMINATION OR TO THE CLERK EITHER. WHICH WAY. YEAH. YEAH. FOR SURE. THEY'RE DOING IS IMPORTANT TO US. YES, I TOTALLY AGREE. I LIVE THERE. YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT TRANSPORTATION, THE TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT. WE'VE REWRITTEN THE ENTIRE INTRODUCTION SECTION TO PROVIDE MORE FOCUSED INTENT TO THE ELEMENT, COMPLIANCE WITH FLORIDA STATUTES AND A RELATIONSHIP TO THE OTHER ELEMENTS. WE REORGANIZED THE ELEMENT TO ASSEMBLE THE RELEVANT OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES TOGETHER, BECAUSE IT WAS A BIT SCATTERED AND DISORIENTED. WE'VE WE'VE MODERNIZED THE STANDARDS FOR DEVELOPMENT. THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WILL ALIGN WITH PEAK SEASON AND CONTEXT SENSITIVE CORRIDOR PRINCIPLES FROM FDOT. WE'RE PROPOSING. THE TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS WOULD BE. THERE WOULD BE NEW THRESHOLDS THAT WOULD BE PROVIDED IN THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, AND THAT WOULD BE REFERENCED. WHERE INTERSECTIONS ARE REFERENCED, WE COULD RECOGNIZE ROUNDABOUTS AS AN OPTION THAT WAS ADDED. WE HAD A LOT OF POSITIVE FEEDBACK ABOUT ROUNDABOUTS FROM COMMUNITY. AND CONSIDER INCENTIVIZING CHARGING STATIONS. PROVIDED BY DEVELOPERS. LET'S SEE SOME OF THE TERMINOLOGY. WE UPDATED THE. WE HAVE A LOT OF. WE HAD A FEW REFERENCES IN HERE TO GREENHOUSE GASES, AND THAT'S KIND OF AN OUTDATED TERM. IT'S NOW AIR POLLUTION. AND SO WE'VE CHANGED THAT IN SEVERAL AREAS. LET'S SEE WHAT ELSE. THRESHOLDS. OKAY. STRENGTHENING COORDINATION. THIS IS OBJECTIVE SIX STRENGTHENING COORDINATION WITH COLLIER COUNTY TO ENSURE THAT THE CITY HAS A GREATER OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW AND COMMENT ON PROPOSED PROJECTS THAT MAY SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT THE CITY. WELL, WHY ARE YOU ELIMINATING THAT? NOT ELIMINATING ADDING. YOU'RE ADDING. T 6.1. YEAH. 6.1 YEAH, KIND OF KIND OF RESTRENGTHENS THAT LANGUAGE LANGUAGE A BIT WEAK BEFORE. SO WE'RE SAYING STRENGTHENING THAT INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION WITH THE COUNTY TO ENSURE THAT THE CITY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW AND COMMENT ON PROPOSED PROJECTS THAT THE CITY DETERMINES MAY SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACT THE CITY. AND THEN YOU'LL SEE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION ELEMENT, WE HAVE A FEW SUGGESTED THINGS TO KIND OF STRENGTHEN THAT COORDINATION. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN THE MOST SIGNIFICANT THING WE DID WAS WE ADDED AN AVIATION OBJECTIVE BACK AT 11. THERE WERE ALREADY A FEW POLICIES, JUST A LIMITED NUMBER TWO IN THIS ELEMENT RELATED TO AIRPORT. SO WE'VE ADDED AN OBJECTIVE TO ENSURE COORDINATED PLANNING WITH THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY TO SUPPORT THE LOCAL ECONOMY, WHILE PROMOTING LAND USE COMPATIBILITY SURROUNDING THE AIRPORT, WHICH IS REQUIRED BY THE STATE. AND THEN SOME GENERAL POLICIES RELATED TO THAT. AND THEN THE LAST ONE, TWO, THREE GO BACK TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAME IN UNDER THE RECENT PART 150 STUDY THAT WOULD BE SUPPORTING AND COORDINATING WITH THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY ON THOSE EFFORTS TO ESTABLISH NOISE MAPPING AND LOCATIONS OF NOISE MONITORS AND STUFF SO THAT THERE'S COORDINATION THERE. YEAH. AND WHERE DID THAT COME FROM? THOSE EIGHT, NINE, AND TEN, I BELIEVE, CAME FROM THE PART 150 NOISE STUDY THAT WAS DONE IN 24. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE DECALS? OR IS [03:25:12] THAT A DIFFERENT SECTION? THE WHAT? THE CONTOURS, I FORGET I HIGHLIGHTED IT SOMEWHERE. IS IT ON HERE? OH. OH RIGHT. TO SHOW YES. SO THE AIRPORT NOISE CONTOUR MAP, WHICH AGAIN COMES FROM THAT STUDY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT INCLUDED ON. IT'S ACTUALLY REQUIRED TO BE INCLUDED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP. AND IT WAS BEFORE AS WELL. WE'RE JUST CREATING A POLICY THAT SAYS THAT WE'RE DOING IT. ALL RIGHT. AND THERE WERE A FEW THINGS THAT WE UPDATED TO THIS ELEMENT IN RELATION TO PAB COMMENTS. THEY HAD RECOMMENDED TO ADD AN ACTION ITEM ON ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION OR BIKE PED CONNECTIVITY. WE HAVE ADDED ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE TO OBJECTIVE T THREE, WHICH IS THE COMPLETE STREETS AND ROAD SCAPES THAT ENCOMPASSES OR EMPHASIZES MULTIMODAL COMPLETE STREETS PRINCIPLES. AND THEN UNDER THAT YOU'VE GOT 3.3, WHICH REFLECTS MULTIMODAL OPTIONS. WE'VE ALSO GOT T, I DON'T WANT TO GO TOO FAST IF YOU'RE FLIPPING T7, WHICH CONSOLIDATES POLICIES, IT'S AN ENTIRE OBJECTIVE ABOUT PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE BICYCLIST CONNECTIVITY AND SAFETY. AND THEN T 9.6 RELATES TO SIDEWALK AND BICYCLE FACILITY IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE BIKE PED MASTER PLAN. AND THEN WE HAVE SOMETHING AS WELL IN THE PARKS ELEMENT, WHICH WE CAN TALK ABOUT LATER. THERE WAS ALSO A SUGGESTION TO ADD LANGUAGE, DISCUSSING THE SAFE USE OF ELECTRIC BIKES AND ALIGNING IT WITH THE REGULATING CODE. THE STATE HAS A THREE CLASS SYSTEM OF ELECTRIC BIKES. WE WOULD NEED DIRECTION FROM THE CITY IF YOU WANTED TO REGULATE THE USE OF E-BIKES AND SIDEWALKS, BUT USUALLY THAT WOULD BE DONE IN THE CODE, NOT IN THE COMP PLAN. BUT THERE ARE OPTIONS. IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT, IT HAS TO. THERE ARE CERTAIN STANDARDS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO BECAUSE THERE ARE LIMITATIONS ON THAT. AND I WOULD DEFER TO YOUR LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE TO GIVE ANY FEEDBACK ON THAT. THEY HAD SUGGESTED ADDING PEDESTRIANS WITHIN THE GOAL, IDENTIFYING THAT WALKING WAS NOT COMMONLY VIEWED AS A MODE OF TRANSPORTATION. THE GOAL RECOGNIZES MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS, WHICH OF COURSE INCLUDES PEDESTRIANS. PLUS, WE UPDATED THE INTRODUCTION TO BETTER DESCRIBE THE PURPOSE AND INTENT OF THE ELEMENT SUPPORTING MOBILITY NEEDS OF RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES AND VISITORS, AND MOVEMENT OF GOODS THROUGH AN INTEGRATED TRANSPORTATION NETWORK OF ROADWAYS, PUBLIC TRANSIT, BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN FACILITIES, FREIGHT, MOBILITY AND AVIATION. AND THEN THERE WAS A SUGGESTION TO INFUSE ENHANCING QUALITY OF LIFE FOR RESIDENTS AND QUIET ENJOYMENT TERMS THROUGHOUT. AND WE'VE ADDED THIS TO THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT AND QUALITY OF LIFE AND PRIORITIZING RESIDENTS HAS BEEN ADDED THROUGHOUT THE PLAN. THAT'S WHAT WAS THE LEGAL ELEMENT POLICY. WHICH LEGAL ELEMENT POLICY ABOUT THE E-BIKES? WE DIDN'T ADD ANYTHING ON THAT. WE WOULD NEED DIRECTION. IF THAT WAS SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO DO. WHAT NUMBER? OR. NO, IT'S NOT. NO IT'S NOT. THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT IT WAS IN THE ELEMENTS IN THE POLICIES. BUT NO, NO, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD HAD SUGGESTED THAT WE ADD AND WE WOULD NEED COUNCIL DIRECTION IF YOU WANTED TO ADD SOMETHING IN REGARD TO THAT. WE DID NOT ADD ANYTHING. ADD WHAT? I'M SORRY. ALL RIGHT. SO THE COMMENT WAS THEY SUGGESTED ADDING LANGUAGE, DISCUSSING THE SAFE USE OF ELECTRIC BICYCLES AND ALIGNING IT WITH THE REGULATING CODE. MAYOR, I BELIEVE, IF YOU RECALL, THAT WAS AN ITEM. MICROMOBILITY WAS AN ITEM THAT WAS ON THE AGENDA THAT I THINK IT WAS BETTER HANDLED BY MATTHEW WHEN HE GETS HERE. SO THAT'S JUST A IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ADDED INTO YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A GENERAL CONSENSUS ON WHAT AND HOW MUCH. AND HE'S PROBABLY THE BETTER PERSON TO HANDLE ALL THAT. YEAH. LIKE I SAID, THERE ARE SOME LIMITATIONS ON WHAT THE STATE ALLOWS. RIGHT? EXACTLY. DEPENDING ON THE TYPE WE'VE GOT, OUR STAFF IS WORKING ON AN ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW SPECIFICALLY FOR E-BIKES AND HOW THEY ARE GOING TO OPERATE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. WE DON'T HAVE THAT ORDINANCE BACK YET, SO THERE'S NOTHING TO REALLY REFERENCE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. EVEN IF WE DID DECIDE TO REFERENCE IT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO. SO OUR ORDINANCE IS GOING TO TACKLE THIS, AND I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A SECTION IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT'S OUR SUGGESTIONS AS WELL. BUT IT DOES. THE SECTIONS THAT SAY MULTIMODAL IS THAT THAT'S DIFFERENT. I THINK SO MULTIMODAL DOES INCLUDE BICYCLES, AND IT WOULD INCLUDE BICYCLES UP TO A CERTAIN POINT. AND CERTAIN ONES ARE NOT ALLOWED ON CERTAIN FACILITIES PER STATE REQUIREMENTS AS WELL. [03:30:02] BUT LOCAL REQUIREMENTS CAN CAN ALTER THAT AS WELL TO A CERTAIN POINT. SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS MULTIMODAL IS A BIGGER UMBRELLA, RIGHT? YES. AS OPPOSED TO E-BIKES AND THE SPECIFIC TYPES OF MICROMOBILITY, RIGHT? YES. MR. YOUNG AND IF YOU REMEMBER, WE TORE IT INTO THREE PIECES. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MICRO-MOBILITY COME BACK. MULTIMODAL IS GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU, AND YOU MADE YOUR DECISIONS IN THE ORDINANCE THAT MR. BARTON WAS REFERRING TO. I BELIEVE IT'S FIRST READING ON ON WEDNESDAY AS IT PERTAINS TO SPECIFICALLY E-BIKES AND THINGS ON YOUR SIDEWALK. SO WE'RE ACTUALLY ALREADY WORKING TOWARDS THOSE AND ADDRESSING THEM. BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU YOU HAD THE REFRESHER THERE THAT WE TORE IT INTO THREE DIFFERENT PIECES. THANK YOU FOR THAT. SCHULTZ. AND THEN KRAMER, AS PART OF THIS POSITION, I SERVE ON THE METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE STAFF THERE IS ON THIS LIKE A FAT KID ON A CUPCAKE. NO BAD ANALOGIES, BUT THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT FOR MULTI-MODAL IN EVERYTHING ELSE. SO IT'S ON THE BROADER AGENDA FOR THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. SO THAT'S PART OF THE MPO PROCESS. AND COUNCILWOMAN PENNIMAN JUST JOINED US FOR A MEETING THE OTHER DAY AND WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE HER. SHE SAYS, JUST THERE TO TAKE NOTES. SO I GIVE YOU CREDIT FOR GOING. IT'S ENDING A MEETING. YOU DIDN'T NEED IT TO ATTEND, BUT I UNDERSTAND IT. THANK YOU. KRAMER, WHILE WE'RE ON THIS, THE OBJECTIVE T THREE. YES, COMPLETE STREETS. AND YOU JUST MENTIONED CONSENSUS WITH WHICH WE'RE GOING TO CREATE SOME CONSENSUS ABOUT THE MICRO-MOBILITY ONCE WE GET COACHED UP A LITTLE BIT ON THAT, I WANT TO SEE IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS ABOUT COMPLETE STREETS HERE BECAUSE WHEN I, I REMEMBER I DID A PRETTY DEEP DIVE BEFORE I EVER RAN FOR OFFICE. AND THEY WERE, WE WERE GOING TO DO COMPLETE STREETS. AND THEN WE HAD ENGINEERING DONE, WE HAD STATE FUNDING FOR A PROJECT AND TWO GUYS WALK IN AND SAY, WE DON'T WANT ON OUR STREET, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN IT GOES AWAY AT THE LAST AT THE NINTH HOUR. AND SO WHAT DO AND I SEE THIS AS WIGGLE ROOM HERE A LITTLE BIT WHERE IT SAYS. WHERE PRACTICABLE, PRACTICABLE. YEAH. IS THAT SUPPOSED TO BE WHERE PRACTICABLE OR I GUESS PRACTICABLE. THAT'S THE WORD. YES. NONETHELESS. IS THAT THE WIGGLE ROOM TO SHUT THINGS DOWN IF WE DON'T LIKE IT IN A PARTICULAR IF TWO GUYS COME IN AND ONE OF THEM ACTUALLY MOVED OFF THE STREET NOW, WHICH THAT'S SAD TO SHUT DOWN A PROJECT THAT WE'VE GOT FUNDING FOR AND REGULARLY PUT SHOVELS IN THE GROUND. LIKE, ARE WE SERIOUS ABOUT IT? THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF ARE WE SERIOUS ABOUT IT OR NOT. I THINK I HAVE IT AS A CONCERN ALSO, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GOING TO BE IN THE COMP PLAN, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT OR NOT BECAUSE IT WAS IN THERE. AND THEN WE. BUT IT WAS SOMETHING WE HAVEN'T WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS. AND THIS CAME FIRST. SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHICH SHOULD COME FIRST BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T REALLY HAD THAT CONVERSATION OF COMPLETE STREETS AND SUPPORT FOR COMPLETE STREETS. I'M JUST WONDERING, I DON'T I'M, I DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THE FIGHT. YEAH, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT IT WAS A THING. I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT IT OR NOT BECAUSE WE WE HAVEN'T BEEN RECENTLY. IS THAT FAIR, MR. YOUNG? IS THAT. YEAH. NO THAT'S FAIR. I, I, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR WHERE COUNCIL STANDS, SO YOU'RE WELCOME TO HAVE THE DIALOG NOW. I'LL KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING FROM IT, BUT THE MAYOR'S RIGHT. WE HAVEN'T BROUGHT THAT BACK TO YOU TO SAY BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE A COMPLETE STREET. I MEAN, WE'RE WE'RE DESIGNING FIRST, 10TH AND 12TH, I THINK WITH THAT IN MIND. BUT BUT AGAIN, DO YOU PUT IT IN THE COMP PLAN THAT SAYS YOU SUPPORT IT. THAT'S FOR THIS BODY TO TO DECIDE THAT. BUT DID I CHARACTERIZE THAT OKAY WITH WE WERE READY TO ROLL ON THAT PROJECT AND HAD STATE FUNDING. IS THAT CORRECT? WE'VE HAD IT ON A NUMBER OF OCCASIONS WHERE THAT OCCURRED, BUT. YES, SIR. AND THEN IT GETS SHUT DOWN. YES. NOW THAT DOESN'T I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE THE THE COMP PLAN. I MEAN MAYBE I'M INCORRECT IN IT. IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO IT'S NOT DESIGNED TO NOT HAVE AN ESCAPE CLAUSE. WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THAT THIS COUNCIL ULTIMATELY, EACH AND EVERY TIME THEY MAKE A DECISION ON THE PROJECT, HAS THE ABILITY TO MAKE THAT DECISION. THAT'S WHY I SAID PRACTICABLE. THAT'S THE THAT'S THE EJECTION. YEAH. BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT INTENDED. I MEAN, IT IT IS A IT IS A GUIDE AND A SERVICEABLE GUIDE, BUT IT ALSO EACH EACH PROJECT IS EVALUATED ON CERTAIN MERITS WITH COUNCIL DECISIONS AS TO WHETHER TO PROCEED OR NOT. WELL, I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE UP OUR MIND IF WE'RE REALLY ABOUT IT OR NOT. BUT I WON'T TRY TO DETRACT FROM YOU MAKING A DECISION ON WHETHER YOU WANT COMPLETE STREETS IN THE COMP PLAN. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DETERMINE. JUST BECAUSE IT'S BEEN PUT IN HERE. COUNCIL HAS NOT REVIEWED WHETHER IT'S A POLICY THEY WANT TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT. IT'S NEVER BEEN IN THE COMP PLAN. IT'S NOW BEING PUT IN THE COMP PLAN. NO IT'S THERE. IT'S THERE. I THINK IT WAS LIKE UNDER 3.3. THERE'S EXISTING LANGUAGE THAT SUPPORTS COMPLETE STREETS. 3.43.3. WELL BUT THE BLUE IS [03:35:11] ADDED. IT WAS IN THE COMP PLAN PRIOR TO IT USED TO BE TRANSPORTATION POLICY 2.52.5. YEAH. AND NOW IT'S 3.3. WE'VE KIND OF REFASHIONED IT TO BE MORE CONTEMPORARY IN WHAT COMPLETE STREETS IS ACTUALLY DEFINED AS. SO, BUT THE CONCEPT'S ALL THERE. AND THERE WAS A CITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION LISTED AS WELL, WHICH DOESN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO BE IN THE POLICY. SO WE'VE STRICKEN THAT, OKAY, I, I'D LIKE TO KEEP GOING, BUT I'D LIKE TO ALSO PUT THAT WE COME BACK AND HAVE A DISCUSSION ON THAT. THANK YOU. KRAMER ANYTHING ELSE? AND IT IS. 1220. WHERE ARE WE IN OUR PRESENTATIONS? I HAVE SOME PUBLIC COMMENT THAT I SEE PEOPLE HAVE LEFT AND WE NEED TO TAKE A BREAK. I'VE GOT FOUR ELEMENTS LEFT. PARKS. OKAY, SO COORDINATION, CONCURRENCY. YEAH. SO HOW MUCH MORE TRANSPORTATION? NOTHING MORE IN TRANSPORTATION. OKAY, SO APPROPRIATE TO TAKE A BREAK. NOW, I DO WANT TO HAVE, IN CASE WE DO HAVE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HERE FOR ITEM SIX A. JENNA HEYDERMAN. I THINK SHE LEFT. AMELIA VASQUEZ. GOOD AFTERNOON. COUNCIL. GOOD AFTERNOON. CAN YOU HEAR ME? COULD YOU JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE? SURE, MY NAME IS AMELIA VASQUEZ. I'M THE EXECUTIVE OFFICER FOR THE BUILDING INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION. ON BEHALF OF THE INDUSTRY. CBS ENGAGING AT THE STAGE OF THE RECORD. NOW, THAT SHOWS THAT NAPLES 2045 IS NOT JUST A VISION DISCUSSION. THE CITY'S OWN MATERIALS STATE THAT THE UPDATE IS INTENDED TO CARRY THE 2024 VISION ELEMENT INTO AN OPERATIVE ELEMENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THAT THE PLAN WILL BE IMPLEMENTED THROUGH THE CODE OR ORDINANCES, OTHER REGULATING DOCUMENTS, PUBLIC INVESTMENTS, AND REVISED DEVELOPMENT STANDARD. THAT'S WHY IT MATTERS TO OUR INDUSTRY. WHILE THE PLAN INCLUDES IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES AND ACTIONS, THE FRAMEWORK FOR HOW THESE ACTIONS ARE STILL EVALUATE HOW THEIR ACTIONS ARE EVALUATED AND SEQUENCE AND TRANSLATE IT INTO REGULATIONS IS STILL NOT YET VERY DEFINED. FOR AN INDUSTRY STANDPOINT, THE CORE ISSUES ARE PREDICTABILITY, OBJECTIVITY, TIMING, AND COST. FIRST, THERE IS A REAL CONCERN THAT TERMS SUCH AS COMPATIBILITY, CHARACTER SCALE, AND NEIGHBORHOOD PROTECTION CAN BECOME SUBJECTIVE UNLESS THEY ARE TRANSLATED INTO OBJECTIVE, ACTIONABLE STANDARDS. SECOND, THERE IS A BUILT OUT CITY WHERE REDEVELOPMENT FEASIBILITY MATTERS. IF IMPLEMENTATION ADDS MORE LAYERS, MORE DISCRETION, OR MORE DESIGN AND INFRASTRUCTURE BURDEN WITHOUT A CLEAR FEASIBILITY ANALYSIS THAT AFFECTS PROJECT COST, PROJECT TIMING, AND ULTIMATELY HOUSING AND REINVESTMENT OUTCOMES. THIRD, THE STATE LEGAL ENVIRONMENT HAS CHANGED HB 803 MOVES, LOCAL PERMITTING, TOWARD FASTER, MORE UNIFORM AND LESS BURDENSOME ADMINISTRATION, INCLUDING INCLUDING PERMANENT TIMELINES, FULLY LIMIT FREE FEE LIMITATIONS AND PRIVATE PROVIDER PROCEDURES. HB 399 PUSHES COMPATIBILITY REVIEW TOWARD OBJECTIVE FACTORS AND WRITTEN FINDINGS, WHICH WAS SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR DESANTIS RECENTLY. SB 180 CREATES RESTRICTIONS ON HOW MORE RESTRICTIVE, MORE BURDENSOME COMP PLAN, LDR AND PROCEDURAL CHANGES AND IMPACTED JURISDICTIONS AFTER HER RECENT HURRICANES. THE AFOREMENTIONED STATE LAWS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS THE PLAN IS BEING DISCUSSED AND THEY WILL AFFECT IMPLEMENTATION. PLEASE PROVIDE. WE ASK THAT WE. PLEASE PROVIDE CLARITY ON THESE IMPLEMENTATION STRATEGIES WILL BE EVALUATED, SEQUENCED AND TRANSLATED INTO CODE. THE HANDBOOK. PERMITTING CHANGES AND IDENTIFY WHICH POLICIES ARE INTENDED TO LEAD THOSE CHANGES SO THAT NO. NO FOLLOW ON CHANGES ADDS BURDEN TO PROJECTS OR CONSTITUENTS WITHOUT ANY CLEAR JUSTIFICATION OR PREDICTABLE STANDARD. I THINK THAT THAT THE DISCUSSION TODAY REINFORCES THAT POINT, THAT THERE IS A RECOGNITION OF THE NEED FOR DEFINITIONS, METRICS, CONSISTENCY, AND OUR REQUEST IS SIMPLY THAT THAT THOSE BE EARLY ESTABLISHED AND IMPLEMENTATIONS MOVES FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING [03:40:01] HERE. AND OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS HAYLEY MONTGOMERY OR HAYLEY. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU FOR TAKING PUBLIC INPUT. I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE HAD A LONG MORNING. I'M HERE TO EXPRESS CONCERNS OF. THE FIRST QUESTION IS, IS WHY ARE WE DOING THIS NOW? BECAUSE THE CITY DOES HAVE TO DO YOUR AMENDMENTS. AND THOSE ARE REQUIRED UPDATES. BUT THIS ISN'T A REQUIRED UPDATE. AND WHY THAT'S IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE SENATE BILL 180 SAYS YOU CAN'T ADOPT, CAN'T EVEN PROPOSE OR ADOPT MORE RESTRICTIVE COMP PLANS OR REGULATIONS UNTIL OCTOBER OF 2027. SO THIS IS OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING THAT'S PROPOSED AND IS PROCEEDING FORWARD. AND WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN OTHER INSTANCES WHEN IF YOU WERE TO SEND THIS, TRANSMIT THIS UP TO COMMERCE, THEY WOULD SEND IT BACK, QUOTE, SECTION 28 OF SENATE BILL 180 AND TELL YOU, YOU CAN'T DO THIS NOW. OTHER CONCERNS, AND YOU GUYS HAVE ALLUDED TO IT TODAY IS UNDER 163 .3177. YOU HAVE TO ADOPT MEANINGFUL AND PREDICTABLE STANDARDS THAT CAN BE CONSISTENTLY IMPLEMENTED. AND I KNOW WE WERE TALKING ABOUT SMALL TOWN CHARM AND CHARACTER AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. THE QUESTION WAS, WHAT DOES IT MEAN? AND ONE OF YOU SAID THERE COULD BE SEVEN DEFINITIONS UP HERE OF WHAT THAT MEANS. WELL, THAT MAKES IT REALLY TOUGH FOR THE FOLKS THAT ARE TRYING TO UNDERSTAND YOUR REGULATIONS AND TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THEM. SO THAT'S WHY THE LEGISLATURE SAID YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE CLEAR STANDARDS. SO THE FOLKS ARE BEING REGULATED. KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT'S BEING REQUIRED. ANOTHER THING THAT 163 .3177 SAYS IS IT HAS TO BE BASED ON PROFESSIONALLY ACCEPTABLE DATA AND ANALYSIS. AND WHILE SURVEYS ARE GREAT, THAT DOESN'T RISE TO THE LEVEL OF PROFESSIONAL DATA AND ANALYSIS. ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME TALKING ABOUT, AND I HEAR SOME TREPIDATION FROM THE CITY MANAGER, AND THAT IS THE STATUTE REQUIRES YOU TO HAVE GOALS, POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES. IT DOESN'T REQUIRE ACTIONS. AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO INCLUDE ACTION, WHY ARE YOU INCLUDING THEM? CAN YOU AFFORD THEM? CAN THEY BE IMPLEMENTED? AND IF THEY CAN'T, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT BEARS FURTHER CONSIDERATION. AND SO YOU HAVE TODAY POINTED OUT SEVERAL THINGS THAT ARE MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN YOUR CURRENT REGULATIONS. AND LET ME GO BACK TO SENATE BILL 180. YOU CAN'T DO THAT AT THIS TIME. AND SO IT'S BEEN AN EXTENSIVE, EXPENSIVE PROCESS. I KNOW IT'S A DATE, BUT IT WOULD BE BEST TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE STATUTES SO THAT ANY TIME AN EXPENSE YOU SEND HAS A FRUITFUL OUTCOME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS MARTIN. WHEN DID WE START THIS PROCESS? THIS THE. WE STARTED DISCUSSING THIS ELECTIVE UPDATE WHEN WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE STATUTORILY REQUIRED UPDATE, WHICH WAS IN 2024. OKAY. AND MADAM CLERK, I DO NOT HAVE ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. I HAVE NONE. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT, COUNSEL, IT'S 1227. WE'LL ROUND IT UP TO 1230. AND IF WE CAN TAKE A 20 MINUTE BREAK FOR LUNCH, WE'LL ADJOURN FOR A BREAK OKAY. WE'RE BACK. CONTINUING ON WITH ITEM SIX A. SO JUST LEFT TRANSPORTATION, MOVING TO PARKS, EVERYBODY'S FAVORITE. ALRIGHT, SO WITH THE PARKS RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE ELEMENT, WE UPDATED THE GOAL AND POLICIES TO REFERENCE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE VISION ELEMENT AND THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN. WE REWROTE THE INTRODUCTION TO PROVIDE A MORE FOCUSED INTENT COMPLIANCE WITH FLORIDA STATUTES IN RELATION TO THE OTHER ELEMENTS AS WELL. WE UPDATED THE CURRENT INVENTORY OF PARKS, DELETED OBSOLETE POLICIES WE INFUSED PRIORITIZING CITIZENS AND LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS ARE MOVED OVER TO THE CONCURRENCY AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ELEMENT. WE PROVIDED ADDITIONAL GUIDANCE FOR THE PROVISION OF GREEN SPACE AND POLICY. 1.8 THAT WAS A UPDATE ON PAGE PROS6. CALLS FOR AN UPDATE TO THE CODE TO [03:45:02] REQUIRE DEVELOPERS OF MULTIFAMILY, MIXED USE AND COMMERCIAL PROJECTS VERSUS OFFICE COMPLEXES AND COMMERCIAL CENTERS, WHICH IS WHAT IT SAID PREVIOUSLY TO INCLUDE MORE FUNCTIONAL AND ACCESSIBLE OPEN SPACE. WE'VE GOT AN ACTION 5.2.2, WHICH RECOGNIZES THAT THE CITY IS CURRENTLY UPDATING THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN, AND THAT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS WILL LIKELY BE UPDATED UPON THAT COMPLETION. OUR OUR NATURE. SO THERE'S SEVERAL POLICIES IN HERE THAT RELATE TO ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITY AND RESILIENCY AND SUSTAINABILITY. THESE NEW AND UPDATED POLICIES SUPPORT NAPLES TREE FILL IN PROGRAM AND THE FLORIDA FRIENDLY PLANT SPECIES IN ALIGNMENT WITH GREENPRINT. PLANNING NEW FACILITIES IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE 2023 CRITICAL ASSETS AND FACILITIES VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT CONSIDERING RESILIENCY AND ANALYSIS OF FLOOD RISK. AND THEN QUALITY OF LIFE SUSTAINABLE GRADING PRACTICES A NEW POLICY 1.4, WHICH WOULD INFUSE PUBLIC HEALTH CONSIDERATIONS AND FACILITY DESIGNS. AND ADDED VISUAL AND PERFORMING ARTS TO PROGRAMING PROGRAMING OPPORTUNITIES UNDER POLICY 4.4. THAT WAS ANOTHER THING THAT WE'D HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC THAT THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE WAS INCORPORATED IN THEIR REVISIONS TO ADDRESS PAB COMMENTS FROM THE MARCH 11TH MEETING, THEY HAD SUGGESTED REPLACING EXISTING PUBLIC RECREATION FACILITIES. FACILITIES INCLUDE ABOVE THE PUBLIC RECREATION FACILITIES LIST WITH LANGUAGE THAT WOULD ALLOW ADDITIONAL RECREATION FACILITIES IN THE FUTURE. BUT WE WANTED TO DO WAS AVOID INCLUDING LANGUAGE THAT WOULD QUICKLY BECOME OUTDATED. SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE REVISED TO STATE THAT THE CURRENT LIST OF RECREATIONAL FACILITIES IS, AS OF MARCH 2026, JUST TO MEMORIALIZE IT, AND THEN ADDED LANGUAGE IN THE INTRODUCTION TO EMPHASIZE PRIORITY OF PUBLIC ACCESS TO WATERWAYS. AND THAT, ALTHOUGH NOT REQUIRED BY THE STATE, ENABLES IMPLEMENTS A LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS ON PARKS AND RECREATION FACILITIES. AND THEN THERE WAS A SUGGESTION THAT THE CITY ENCOURAGE, I'M SORRY, ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO CREATE MORE LINEAR PARKS, INCREASE SHADE TREES AND CONSIDER ACQUIRING LAND FOR MORE GREEN RECREATIONAL SPACE. AND WE ADDED SEVERAL THINGS TO ADDRESS THAT. WE ADDED LINEAR PARKS TO THE TRANSPORTATION POLICY THAT WAS BACK OVER IN TRANSPORTATION AS A BUFFER FROM RESIDENTIAL. WE ALSO HERE ADDED IN 5.1, A POLICY THAT IDENTIFIES OPPORTUNITIES TO INCREASE GREEN SPACE THROUGH THE ACQUISITION OF LAND FOR LINEAR OR POCKET PARKS, OR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF CONSERVATION EASEMENTS. ANOTHER ACTION ITEM IN THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, WHICH A NEW POLICY ENCOURAGING THE CREATION OF GREENER PUBLIC SPACES LIKE POCKET PARKS, GREENWAYS, COMMUNITY GARDENS AND GREEN ROOFS. SO WE'RE INCORPORATING ALL OF THOSE LANGUAGE, AS THEY'VE MENTIONED, IN DIFFERENT WAYS AND THROUGH DIFFERENT ELEMENTS. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE, OR DO YOU WANT TO MOVE TO INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION? OKAY. INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION, WE GOT A QUESTION. YEAH. LOOK AT ME WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I GOTTA FIND IT. I WAS WAY PAST IT. PUBLIC ACCESS TO WATERFRONT IS A KEY PRIORITY TO THE WATERFRONT. OKAY. THAT'S AN INTERESTING. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ALL WATERFRONT IN PARTICULAR. NOT WHEN I THINK OF THAT, I THINK OF. THE MARINA AND THE BOAT LAUNCH. YOU'RE TALKING THERE ABOUT ALL THE BEACHES AND ALL OF IT IN THAT CASE. OKAY. THAT'S ALL. YEAH, YEAH, IT WAS IT WAS IN IN THE SAME SENTENCE IT TALKS ABOUT OR THE SAME PARAGRAPH THAT TALKS ABOUT PUBLIC SHORELINE ACCESS, BLUEWAYS GREENWAYS, CONNECTIONS BETWEEN PARKS. RIGHT. AND BECAUSE IT DID, THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WAS MEANT SPECIFICALLY. THAT FIRST PART MEANT. BOATS AND WATERCRAFT. BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO. IT'S ALL KIND OF ALL TOGETHER. OKAY, THANKS. VERY GOOD QUESTION. IS THE CITY DOCK AND THE NAPLES PIER PART OF MANY PARKS? YES. THERE THEY HAVE LISTED THE PARK. IS IT THE THE CITY DOCK IS A WATERFRONT ACCESS POINT. THE CITY PIER IS IN ADDITION TO IT IS A BEACH ACCESS THAT ALSO HAS [03:50:03] A PIER. BUT IT ISN'T. IT IS A BEACH ACCESS POINT FIRST AND THEN IT IS THE PIER WITH WHAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER TO BE BEACH ACCESS ACCOMMODATIONS, INCLUDING RESTROOMS, SHOWER, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I MEAN AREA TO SPRAY OFF, ETC. BUT IT IS FIRST AND FOREMOST THE BEACH ACCESS POINT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION ELEMENT. THE LANGUAGE IN THIS ELEMENT WAS ALREADY PRETTY STRONG. WE'VE INTEGRATED SOME OF THE VISION ELEMENT PRIORITIES THROUGHOUT, CLARIFIED THE INTENT TO MONITOR AND COORDINATE WITH OTHER JURISDICTIONS ON IMPACTS TO LAND AND PUBLIC SERVICES PROVIDED BY NAPLES. LET ME PULL YOUR ATTENTION TO THE. I MENTIONED THIS EARLIER IN REGARDS TO GROWTH AT THE BOUNDARIES. I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER OF WHICH POLICY IT WAS, SO I GOTTA FIND IT. LET'S FIND IT. HERE WE GO. IT'S RESILIENCY. OF COURSE I CAN'T FIND IT NOW WHEN I'M LOOKING FOR IT. LET ME SEE. SORRY. THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. IT'S UNDER IC 1.2 JOINT LAND USE PLANNING AGREEMENTS AND STUDIES. THIS IS SOMETHING WE'RE SUGGESTING THE CITY EVALUATE THE PROCESS FOR ENTERING INTO A JOINT PLANNING AGREEMENT WITH COLLIER COUNTY. PURSUANT TO SECTION 163 3171. FLORIDA STATUTES TO PURSUE PURSUE A COORDINATED APPROACH TO ADDRESS TOPICS SUCH AS DRAINAGE, PROTECTION OF WATER BASINS, LAND USE PLANNING AND GROWTH MANAGEMENT FOR AREAS OR AREAS WHERE THE CITY ABUTS UNINCORPORATED COLLIER COUNTY. THERE WAS ALREADY A POLICY 1.6 THAT TALKED ABOUT THAT AND THEN ADDING THIS ONE BELOW IT AS AN ACTION STEP, EVALUATING IF JOINT PLANNING AGREEMENTS AND LAND USE STUDIES BETWEEN THE TWO JURISDICTIONS ARE WARRANTED. BEYOND TWO MILES OF THE CITY COUNTY LINE TO ENSURE THAT THE CITY HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN LAND PLANNING ACTIVITIES FOR AREAS WHERE THE CITY DETERMINES THAT DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS MAY IMPACT THE CITY. SO THOSE ARE THOSE ARE TWO NEW ONES I WANT TO CALL YOUR ATTENTION. AND THEN THERE ARE POLICIES IN HERE IN REGARDS TO RESILIENCY. I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS IN HERE. LET'S SEE THOSE ARE IN. I SEE OBJECTIVE, I SEE DASH FOUR AND THE POLICIES UNDERNEATH IT. IT TALKS ABOUT DIFFERENT TYPES OF COORDINATION. INTERESTING. THERE'S THERE'S A POLICY HERE. 4.3 COLLABORATING WITH SERVICE PROVIDERS COLLIER COUNTY AND THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. AND IT LISTS ALL THESE OUT MENTIONS FLORIDA POWER LIGHT, FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT, PEOPLE'S GAS AND OTHER ENERGY PROVIDERS. THIS MIGHT BE THE PLACE TO PUT THAT CELL CELL COORDINATION WITH THE CELL PROVIDERS, IF THAT'S WHERE YOU WANT IT. SO LET'S SEE POLICIES TO COORDINATE WITH COLLIER COUNTY AND THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY TO ADDRESS FLORIDA STATUTES. CHAPTER 333 REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO AIRPORT COMPATIBILITY ARE IN HERE. AND AGAIN, LIKE I MENTIONED, THIS RESILIENCY PIECE CAN'T BE DONE INDIVIDUALLY. SO THERE'S MANY JURISDICTIONS AND MANY DIMENSIONS OF COORDINATION. SO WE'VE GOT A WHOLE SECTION ON THAT. REVISIONS TO ADDRESS PAB COMMENTS. SINCE THE MARCH MEETING, THEY HAD SUGGESTED THIS. AND THIS IS A PROCEDURAL THING. THEY HAD SUGGESTED THAT COUNCIL PROVIDE REGULAR UPDATES AT THEIR MEETING ON INTERGOVERNMENTAL BOARDS AND COMMITTEES THAT THEY'RE MEMBERS OF, BUT DIDN'T NECESSARILY FEEL THAT THIS WAS A POLICY. BUT I THINK IT WAS JUST A STATEMENT OF PROCEDURAL SUGGESTION THAT COUNCIL. PROVIDE UPDATES ON ANY BOARDS THAT THEY'RE ON OR ANY COMMITTEES THAT THEY'RE ON, AND THEN THEY ASKED FOR AN ACTION THAT WOULD HAVE COLLIER COUNTY PROVIDE THE CITY WITH A WARNING OF ANY MAJOR DEVELOPMENT OCCURRING NEAR THE CITY LIMITS. AND AGAIN, WE FEEL THAT THIS IS ADDRESSED WITH THE JOINT JOINT INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS. IF THAT'S YOUR PREFERENCE, THAT WOULD BE THE WAY TO DO IT. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS ELEMENT? OKAY. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE COORDINATION ON LAND USE PLANNING, PUBLIC SERVICES AND IN COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING. OUR ESCAPE HATCH IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONDUCT EFFORTS. AND SO LET'S JUST SAY THEY IGNORE US AND THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO. THEY DON'T WANT TO. COORDINATION IS HERE'S HOW IT'S GOING TO BE. WE'RE OKAY WITH THAT, RIGHT? YEAH. I DON'T MEAN WE'RE OKAY, BUT I MEAN WITH THE CITY MANAGER, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN TROUBLE WITH OUR PLANNING [03:55:02] EFFORTS OR ON YOUR OWN. BUT I MEAN, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS OF THERE'S AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO TRY AND CREATE THOSE CONNECTIONS, WHAT THEY MAY ENTAIL AT THE END, WE DON'T KNOW. BUT AT LEAST STARTING THAT CONVERSATION. WELL, I SEE MY QUESTION ASKED ON ACTION. THE ACTION I SEE DASH 1.2.2 EVALUATE IF JOINT PLANNING AGREEMENTS AND LAND USE STUDIES BETWEEN COLLIER COUNTY AND THE CITY OF NAPLES ARE WARRANTED. BEYOND TWO MILES OF THE CITY COUNTY LINE. SO THAT. I'M WORKING WITH OUR CITY MANAGER. HOW HEAVY LIFTING IS THAT FOR US AND STAFF AND IS IT WILL IT BE FRUITFUL? WELL, AS YOU KNOW, IT'S YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE IMPROVING COMMUNICATIONS EVEN WITHIN TWO MILES WITHIN OUR SERVICE AREA. BUT IT'S STILL YOU. WE'RE SOMETIMES YOU FIND OUT EVEN BEFORE WE DO SO. SO WHAT I WOULD SAY IS, YOU KNOW, THE THING ON THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL. IT ALWAYS REQUIRES EQUAL PARTICIPATION FOR THOSE YOU'RE TRYING TO REACH AGREEMENT. SO I THINK TRYING TO COORDINATE THAT IS ACTION. THE ACTIONABLE PART. SO THE EVALUATION, THE WORDS THERE IS IS THERE A WAY TO COME TO THAT? I, I ACTUALLY HAVE AS MUCH ISSUE OR MORE WITH IT WHERE IT SAYS DEVELOPING A JOINT PLANNING AGREEMENT BECAUSE YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO. RIGHT. AND SO, BUT, BUT IN THEIR PUREST SENSE, I THINK THEY'RE BOTH, YOU KNOW, GIVING DIRECTION TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A MECHANISM. ONE IS MORE ABSOLUTE WITHIN YOUR, YOU KNOW, THE TWO WITHIN THE TWO, THE OTHER ONE GIVES YOU, CAN YOU COME UP WITH A MECHANISM THAT HELPS YOU KNOW WHAT'S COMING AT YOU, FOR LACK OF A BETTER. SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S DOABLE TO TRY. I JUST AGAIN, I'LL SAY THIS, I SAID THE SAME THING AS IT COMES TO AS, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC SCHOOL FACILITIES AND HAVING A JOINT AGREEMENT ON THE USE OF THOSE. YEAH. IT TAKES TWO PARTNERS TO COME UP WITH AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, BUT THERE'S NO HARM IN TRYING. SO WHERE IT SAYS EVALUATE, WE'RE WE'RE KIND OF ALREADY DO THAT, DON'T WE? AREN'T WE. WELL, THEY'RE MORE SO I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO SAY BY MILES BECAUSE IF IT'S IN OUR SERVICE AREA, THEY'RE A LITTLE MORE, THEY'RE MORE HOW DO I SAY THIS? THEY'RE MORE FORTHCOMING WHEN IT'S CERTAINLY IN YOUR SERVICE AREA BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO ASK FOR CERTAIN THINGS. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE TWO MY TWO MILES SPECIFICALLY CAME FROM. BUT BUT AGAIN, I THINK THEY WOULD BE MORE INCLINED NOT TO BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S FAR ENOUGH AWAY FROM YOUR JURISDICTION. BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO SAY WITHOUT KNOWING HOW FAR OUT THE SERVICE AREA, I THINK, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANY SERVICE AREA GREATER THAN TWO MILES OUT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT. THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING, BECAUSE IT'S A IT'S A SPECIFIC ACTION ITEM, AND I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK IT. ANYTHING WITHIN OUR GOVERNMENTAL IS, IS AS YOU AS WE ALL KNOW, ASPIRATIONAL, EVEN SOMETIMES SCHEDULING A MEETING IS ASPIRATIONAL. SO YEAH, I, I THINK TO THE EXTENT IT'S POSSIBLE IS THE WAY IT'S READING THERE. AND I THINK WE CONTINUE TO TRY. OKAY. AND THEN ALONG THAT LINE WITH THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, I GUESS, IS WHERE OUR TRAFFIC WOULD COME IN TO PLAY THERE. YEAH. AS LONG AS YOU RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S JURISDICTIONAL LIMITATIONS, THE SAME GROUND RULES APPLY, RIGHT? THAT YOU CAN'T AFFECT ROADS THAT ARE NOT YOUR JURISDICTION, BUT OTHERWISE COMMUNICATING. AT LEAST YOU KNOW WHAT'S COMING AT YOU. BUT NO ONE'S GOING TO HAMSTRING US OVER WHAT OUR COMP PLAN SAYS WHEN THEY DON'T WANT TO. RIGHT? I DON'T YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR IT, BUT THAT THE SENTENCE THAT CAUSES ME THE GREATER ANGST HAS BEEN THERE ALL ALONG BECAUSE THAT'S NOT IN THE NEWS SECTION, RIGHT? THE OTHER ONE IS EVALUATING IT. SO I THINK, OKAY, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I'M NOT I JUST HAD TO ASK. YEAH, THANKS. I GOT A QUESTION FOR GARY. GARY, THE COMP PLANS, WE DO HAVE COORDINATION PLANS THAT WERE WITH THE COUNTY ALREADY. HOW DO THEY DO? THEY EXPIRE? HOW DO YOU GET UPDATED OR JUST CONTINUE ON AT THE BASE LEVEL THAT THEY'RE ON THEIR LOCAL AGREEMENTS? YEAH. INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS. YES. WELL, YEAH, EVERYONE EVERY PORTION HAS, YOU KNOW, YOU THIS COUNCIL SEE RECIPROCAL AID AGREEMENTS. YOU'LL SEE THE BEACH PARKING IS IS AN AGREEMENT. I MEAN, THERE, THERE'S 14, 15 OF THEM I THINK, BUT THEY'RE ALL THEY ALL HAVE SEPARATE EXPIRATION DATES AND THEY WOULD COME BACK TO YOU TO BE NEGOTIATED ON THOSE EXPIRATION DATES. YEAH. AND SOME OF THEM ARE AS SIMPLE AS ACKNOWLEDGING YOUR JOINT RELATIONSHIP AND DEPENDANCE UPON ONE ANOTHER. ONE IS, FOR EXAMPLE, THAT YOU MAY NOT HAVE REALIZED, BUT THEY HANDLE ALL OF OUR DEBRIS REMOVAL. AND AS PART OF THAT INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, THEY HANDLE AFTER A HURRICANE, THEY'LL THEY'LL DO THE DEBRIS REMOVAL REQUEST, THE FEMA REIMBURSEMENTS, AND ALL WE HAVE IS OUR LOCAL SHARE. WHEN ALL THE WHEN ALL THE DUST SETTLES. SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF THEM, AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO. I THINK IT'D BE GOOD IF I JUST GET A SEPARATE LIST AND WE JUST HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT THAT DURING OUR ONE ON ONES. THANK YOU. AND ONE OTHER THING I WANTED TO ADD. YOU CURRENTLY HAVE A PUBLIC SCHOOLS FACILITIES ELEMENT THAT'S NOT A REQUIRED ELEMENT. AND WE WANTED TO CAPTURE THOSE POLICIES AND OBJECTIVES AND PLACE THEM WHERE THEY NEED TO BE, SINCE IT'S A COORDINATION THING. IN MANY CASES, WE'VE PUT THOSE EXISTING POLICIES INTO THIS ELEMENT WHERE THEY BELONG, AND THEN CERTAIN ONES WENT OVER TO FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN WE'VE GOT CONCURRENCY AND CAPITAL [04:00:11] IMPROVEMENTS ELEMENT. AGAIN, THIS IS ANOTHER ONE THAT WE MERGED TWO ELEMENTS TOGETHER. YOU HAD A CONCURRENCY MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS ELEMENT. IT'S NOT A REQUIRED ELEMENT. YOU ALREADY HAVE CONCURRENCY MANAGEMENT IN YOUR CODE OF ORDINANCES. BUT WE DID WANT TO CAPTURE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AND ALL THE INFORMATION THAT RELATES TO CONCURRENCY AND HOW THAT WORKS INTO ONE CONCISE PLACE. AND THIS IS IN THE CONCURRENCY AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ELEMENT. WITH THIS ELEMENT, WE'VE ORGANIZED ALL LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS INTO THIS ELEMENT, AND ALL THE OTHER ELEMENTS REFER TO IT. SO IT'S IN ONE LOCATION. WE'VE PROVIDED A STRONGER INTEGRATION OF RESILIENCE AND FLOOD RISK PLANNING. YOU WANT TO MENTION ABOUT THAT OR NO. OKAY. WE'RE GOOD. SHE'S ALREADY MENTIONED MANY OF THESE THINGS HERE, SO I WON'T GO INTO THOSE DETAILS. LET ME SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE I HAD TO MENTION HERE. LET'S SEE. THERE'S NO CHANGE TO SEWER, POTABLE WATER OR SOLID WASTE LEVEL OF SERVICE. I MENTIONED THAT PARKS AND RECREATION LEVEL OF SERVICE WILL LIKELY CHANGE AFTER YOUR PARKS MASTER PLAN IS COMPLETE. ROADWAYS LEVEL OF SERVICE WE TALKED ABOUT AS WELL THAT IT WOULD BE BASED ON THE PEAK SEASON VOLUME BASED ON FDOT, CONTEXT SENSITIVE LEVEL OF SERVICE TABLES, AND THEN THE STATE AND THE COUNTY. INSTEAD OF ACTUALLY CALLING OUT LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR THEM, REFER TO THEIR LEVEL OF SERVICE BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THOSE JURISDICTIONS ANYWAY, DRAINAGE WAS MENTIONED BY AARON AND NO CHANGE TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS. SO THAT'S ALL THE LEVEL OF SERVICE. YES. CAN I INTERRUPT FOR SOMETHING? CAN WE GO TO POLICY CC. I 1.1. I THINK THAT TOP SECTION AND THE CORRESPONDING ELEMENTS OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SHOULD SAY IT SHALL BE SHALL INCLUDE PROJECTS. OKAY. IT SAYS INCLUDING SAY ON AN ANNUAL BASIS THE CITY MUST ADOPT AND IT SAYS BY ORDINANCE, AND I THINK IT SHOULD SAY BY RESOLUTION, BECAUSE WE DON'T PASS THAT BY ORDINANCE. AND IT'S ONLY ONE READING. IT DOES INCLUDE A LEVEL OF SERVICE COMPONENT SCORING TO IT. AND THEN IF YOU GO TO 1.11.1.1, IT SAYS THE SAME AS ORDINANCE. IF WE COULD CHANGE THAT TO RESOLUTION, I THINK THAT WOULD BE MORE ACCURATE. I GOT IT, THANK YOU. AND I APOLOGIZE FOR INTERRUPTING. PERFECT. OKAY. AND THEN YOUR LAST ELEMENT IS YOUR PROPERTY RIGHTS ELEMENT. THIS ELEMENT WAS ADOPTED IN FEBRUARY OF 23. AND YOUR GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES ARE CONSISTENT WITH FLORIDA STATUTES. THERE'S NO CHANGE OTHER THAN WE KIND OF BEEFED UP THE INTRODUCTION A LITTLE BIT AND FORMAT IT INTO THE DESIGN TEMPLATE. SO. THERE ARE TWO MAPS. AS WE MENTIONED, YOU'VE GOT YOUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP, WHICH IS AT THE BACK IN THE APPENDIX, AND THEN THE NATURAL RESOURCES AND CONDITIONS ARE COASTAL RESOURCES MAP. THAT'S THERE AS WELL. AND WE WILL HAVE A PLACE THERE FOR THE DEFINITIONS. SO THEN THE NEXT STEPS WE'RE GOING TO REVIEW FOR INTERNAL CONSISTENCY AND MAKE CORRECTIONS AS NEEDED. ADD THE DEFINITIONS. ADD INTERNAL CROSS-REFERENCE NOTATIONS WITHIN THE PLAN, AND THEN THE SYMBOLOGY THAT WE MENTIONED TO TIE THE VISION THEMES THROUGHOUT THE PLAN ELEMENTS AND INCLUDE FEEDBACK AND DIRECTION THAT WE RECEIVED FROM YOU TODAY. THAT NEXT STEP WILL BE THE A B FOR TRANSMITTAL HEARING ON MAY 13TH. AFTER THAT, WE COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL EITHER JUNE 3RD OR JUNE 17TH, DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, SCHEDULING. AND THEN IT GOES TRANSMITS TO THE STATE FOR THE STATE AND THE RELEVANT AGENCIES TO REVIEW PROVIDE FEEDBACK THROUGH AN ORC REPORT AND ADOPTION IN THE FALL WHENEVER YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD ON IT. THERE'S THE PROJECT SCHEDULE, WHICH YOU'VE SEEN A MILLION TIMES AT THIS POINT. AND OUR WEBSITE FOR ANYBODY THAT HAS NOT SIGNED UP TO GET NOTIFICATIONS, OUR DOCUMENTS ARE ON THERE NOW, INCLUDING TODAY'S INFORMATION AND PAB FROM LAST MONTH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WE CAN ANSWER FOR YOU? AND YES, SORRY, WE KIND OF WENT THROUGH THE FIRST PART REALLY FAST IN THE INTRO SECTION. JUST MAYBE Y'ALL CAN LOOK AT SOME OF THE DATA THAT SHOWS, YOU KNOW, POPULATION AND NUMBER OF RESIDENTS IN THE CITY FLAT OR DECLINING. AND I'M NOT SURE WHERE THE DATA COMES FROM, [04:05:01] BUT ANECDOTALLY, WE'VE GOT SEVEN NEW CONDO TOWERS AT THE FOUR SEASONS. THERE'S OTHER CONDO TOWERS BEING BUILT AND REBUILT. BAYFRONT HAS A COUPLE OF NEW ONES, NAPLES SQUARE, AND THOSE ARE A LOT OF UNITS. PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME FROM SOMEWHERE, RIGHT. AND, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT REALLY MATTERS. AND THE ACTUAL PLAN, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AS MUCH AS JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE USING SOLID DATA, IT WE DO NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT ALL THOSE PEOPLE. WHEN CONSIDERING THE USE OF SERVICES, ROADS, STREETS, PARKS, EVERYTHING, IT MAY NOT MAKE A MEANINGFUL IMPACT ON THE PLAN THAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH, BUT IT JUST FEELS LIKE WE SHOULD RECOGNIZE IT. AND THE SAME WITH THE COUNTY. THEY HAVE APPROVED THOUSANDS OF NEW HOMES TO BE BUILT OVER THIS 20 YEAR HORIZON. I THINK SOMETHING LIKE FIVE NEW VILLAGES OUT IN EAST COUNTY. YEAH, A LOT A LOT OF THEM ARE IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, BUT CERTAINLY IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS. AND WE KNOW ARE WE I SHOULDN'T SAY WE KNOW, WE FEEL LIKE A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME INTO THE CITY TO GO TO THE BEACH, YOU KNOW, USE SERVICES, GO TO THE HOSPITAL, WHATEVER. AND IT JUST FEELS LIKE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ARE TAKING THAT INFORMATION INTO ACCOUNT WHEN DEVELOPING THIS 20 YEAR PLAN. SO IF Y'ALL COULD GO BACK AND CHECK SOME OF THE DATA AND THE TABLES AND ALL JUST TO SEE IF OR EVEN IF, EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE HARD NUMBERS, HAVE A FOOTNOTE THAT, YEAH, TO BE UPDATED IN THE FUTURE AS WE GET MORE INFORMATION ON THESE PARTICULAR PROJECTS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT SO PARTICULARLY GROWTH IN THE CITY, BUT EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY IN GROWTH IN THE COUNTY. JUST I DON'T KNOW IF THE COUNTY WOULD PROVIDE US. I KNOW THEY HAVE APPROVED THOUSANDS OF NEW UNITS TO BE BUILT. NOW THEY ALL HAVE TO BE BUILT. YOU KNOW, THEY'LL DEPEND ON ECONOMICS AND, YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPER'S OWN FINANCIAL SITUATIONS, WHETHER THEY CARRY THROUGH. BUT IT JUST FEELS LIKE A LOT MORE PEOPLE ARE COMING TO CARTER COUNTY OVER THE NEXT 20 YEARS THAT WILL BE COMING INTO THE CITY. YEAH. THE PERMANENT POPULATION ESTIMATES AND PROJECTIONS ARE USED WELL FOR THE CITY. WE USE THE SCHOMBURG CENTER FOR HOUSING STUDIES FOR THE PERMANENT POPULATION. THE COUNTY USES THE BUREAU OF ECONOMIC BUSINESS RESEARCH THERE BOTH U OF F, DIFFERENT AGENCIES. THOSE ARE BOTH STATE AGENCIES. THEY MAY NOT BE AWARE OF WHAT'S RIGHT. AND THEY USE FORMULAS AND AND TRENDS TO PROJECT OUT IS HOW THEY DO IT. THEY DON'T NECESSARILY GATHER INFORMATION ABOUT PERMITS AND STUFF. SO THEY DON'T THEY DON'T HAVE A FINGER ON THE PULSE OF WHAT'S TRULY HAPPENING ON THE GROUND. YEAH. AND YOUR LEVEL OF SERVICE REPORT, ACTUALLY THAT YOU HAVE ON WEDNESDAY, WE DO HAVE SOME UPDATED DATA POINTS FROM THE COLLIER COUNTY THAT'S INCLUDED IN IT. SO IT WOULD BE GOOD IF, IF WE CIRCLE BACK AND JUST COMPARE THOSE TWO JUST TO DELINEATE BETWEEN THE TWO. SO AND THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY IN THERE. BECAUSE REMEMBER THAT IS THE AREA WE HAVE TO STORMWATER SPECIFICALLY IMPROVE LEVELS OF SERVICE. AND SO THERE WAS A DEEP DIVE INTO THE ACTUAL FUTURE NUMBERS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. SO IT'D BE GOOD IF WE JUST CIRCLE BACK AND SHARE THOSE INTERNALLY. YEAH. AND DOUBLE CHECK. YOU'RE RIGHT. I REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION ON THE IMPACT ON WATER AND SEWER AND IN THE UNINCORPORATED PARTS OF THE COUNTY WHERE WE KNOW THEY'RE BUILDING NEW UNITS. YES, SIR. I GOT ONE QUESTION. WHAT ABOUT THE IMPACT OF SORRY, I HAVE OKAY, SORRY. THE WOMAN THAT SPOKE EARLIER, THE ADVISOR ABOUT THE POTENTIAL CONFLICT WITH THE SB 180, HOW DOES THAT IMPACT WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE? THAT WAS AN ATTORNEY. SHE WAS FROM THE LAW FIRM. I BELIEVE SHE TRANSMITTED A LETTER TO YOU ALL YESTERDAY AND AND WE REPLIED TO YOU ALL COLLECTIVELY ABOUT IT. IT'S A LONGER CONVERSATION THAN I WANT TO GET INTO RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'RE VERY AWARE OF IT. MISS DIDI OVER THERE IS ALSO AN ATTORNEY, AND THE KEY WORD IS MORE BURDENSOME OR RESTRICTIVE, WHICH IS NOT A DEFINED TERM. AND ONCE MORE, I'LL ALSO SAY THAT WHILE FLORIDA COMMERCE, THE STATE IS GIVING PEOPLE LETTERS GENERALLY STATING WHEN THEY SUBMIT THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IF THEY THINK IT'S VIOLATING THE LAW, THEY'LL SAY THAT, BUT THEY WON'T TELL YOU WHERE IT'S MORE BURDENSOME OR CUMBERSOME, BUT THEIR JURISDICTION IS NOT TO ENFORCE IT. IT HAS TO BE ENFORCED BY A RESIDENT OR A BUSINESS OWNER. SO YOU DISAGREE WITH WHAT SHE HAD SAID? IN SHORT, YES. THANK YOU. YEAH. IN [04:10:11] RELATION TO WHAT TED WAS SAYING ABOUT THE COMMUNITIES. BUT WE ALSO HAVE THESE RENTAL, LIKE THE MEGA RENTAL BUILDING IN DAVIS AND ALL, ALL THAT'S BUILT AROUND THE COUNTY. THE RENTAL UNITS ARE EXPLODING AS WELL AS HOTEL ROOMS, THOUSANDS OF NEW HOTEL ROOMS. I THINK MAYBE THAT SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS WELL. WITH ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENT. I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LANGUAGE THAT'S BEING USED, THAT IT'S NOT STRONG ENOUGH. I THINK THAT THAT NEEDS TO REALLY BE LOOKED AT. THERE'S TOO MUCH DISCRETIONARY SHALL MAY POSSIBLY. IT'S LIKE THIS IS OUR STRONGEST TOOTH. AND IF THIS DOESN'T GIVE CLEAR DIRECTION, AND THIS LEAVES QUESTIONS ON WHETHER IT IS OR IT IS NOT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME ISSUES. SO I DON'T THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE DOCUMENT, THE LANGUAGE NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THAT IT REALLY IS. QUITE CLEAR. AND THEN THESE CODES I REALLY WANT TO FOLLOW UP ON WHEN WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE THE CODES THAT RELATE TO THESE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGES, OR CROSS-REFERENCE IT SO THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING CONFLICTS AT ALL. ALSO, MR. DICKMAN, DID YOU HAVE ELEMENTS OF THE AIRPORT? THAT'S WHY YOU PASSED THIS OUT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GO OVER? YES. I DON'T I DON'T REALLY WANT TO GO OVER IT NECESSARILY, BUT I WANT I DID WANT TO PASS OUT TO YOU AND I PROVIDED ERICA AND THE CITY MANAGER A COPY OF THIS. I THIS IS AN EVOLVING TOPIC. OBVIOUSLY THE AIRPORT AND I SIMPLY TOOK OUT OF WHAT THE, THE BIG THE WHOLE DOCUMENT. I TOOK OUT EVERYTHING THAT LOOKED LIKE. IT REFERRED TO THE AIRPORT IN ORDER TO BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND COMPREHENSIVELY WHAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS SAYING ABOUT THE AIRPORT, I HAVE DONE VERY LITTLE WORDSMITHING TO THIS, AND WHAT I WOULD JUST PROPOSE TO YOU IS THAT I WANTED TO MAKE THAT CLEAR, THAT WHILE WE MOVE FORWARD AND AS THINGS EVOLVE WITH AIRPORT, WE MAY WANT TO ADDRESS DIFFERENT GOALS, OBJECTIVES, POLICIES, ACTIONS, HOW YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE AIRPORT IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE REASON WHY I WANTED TO GIVE YOU THIS DOCUMENT BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S TOO COMPLICATED TO TRY TO KEEP CHANGING IT WITH THEIR LARGER DOCUMENTS. SO I MADE A SMALLER DOCUMENT ABOUT THE AIRPORT. YEAH. WELL, THAT'S WHAT WHAT? I DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO REALLY LOOK AT YOUR DOCUMENT, BUT WHEN I LOOKED AT SOME OF THE CHANGES THAT WERE MADE TO THE COMP PLAN FOR THE SECTIONS FOR THE AIRPORT, I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED OF THOSE CHANGES. WHO MADE THOSE CHANGES WITHIN THE COMP PLAN? WHICH CHANGES ARE YOU REFERRING TO? WHICH ELEMENT? THERE ARE SEVERAL IN HERE ON THE AIRPORT. SECTION. I THINK IT'S PRIMARILY IN THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT AND ALSO IN THE TRANSPORTATION AND FUTURE LAND USE, RIGHT? I. YEAH. SO KRAMER, THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO AMPLIFY. I HOPE I AM THE FACT THAT WE'RE DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW IS WHY YOU DID THIS, I'M GUESSING. IS THAT RIGHT? I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO PULL FROM. AND THIS IS WHERE YOUR ICONS WOULD COME IN. I'M GUESSING WE'D HAVE AN ERROR IF IT HAD TO DO IN DIFFERENT PARTS. WE'D HAVE ICONS THAT CONNECTED THOSE, BUT I THINK IT'S WISE TO PULL THEM ALL INTO INTO ONE CLEARINGHOUSE DOCUMENT FROM WHEREVER THEY ARE IN THE COMP PLAN SO THAT WE CAN SEE AIRPORT STUFF. IN ONE UNIFIED SECTION. SO I APPRECIATE IT. I KNOW IT'S YOU'RE JUST PULLING WHAT WAS THERE. AND THIS IS A DRAFT AND I GET WE'RE VERY EARLY IN ALL OF THAT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND TIME ON THE AIRPORT RIGHT NOW, BUT I JUST THINK IT'S A GOOD PLAN AND A, PROBABLY A GOOD WAY TO ORGANIZE THINGS. ESPECIALLY SO THE ONE IN THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT ACTUALLY RELATES TO AIRPORT COMPATIBILITY. IT'S ONE OF THE STATE STATUTES THAT YOU HAVE TO ADDRESS. SO THAT MAY NOT BE ONE THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY MOVE. I'M SORRY. SAY THAT AGAIN PLEASE. THE POLICY IN THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT RELATES TO LAND USE COMPATIBILITY AROUND THE AIRPORT. AND THAT'S ONE THAT THE STATE REQUIRES. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S ONE WE CAN [04:15:02] ACTUALLY MOVE OUT OF THE ELEMENT. WHAT WAS THE NUMBER ON THAT FOR YOU. OKAY. SO IT'S 7.1. I THINK IT'S EXISTING LANGUAGE RIGHT. SO THIS IS EXISTING LANGUAGE ASSISTANT POLICY. SO THAT'S OH, AND THEN WE ADDED THE LANGUAGE ABOUT THE NOISE IMPACT ZONE CONTOUR WHICH IS ON YOUR FUTURE LAND USE MAP NOW. AND SO WHAT NUMBER IS THAT. SO IT'S ON PAGE FLU 32. THAT'S THE ONES IN THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT. 7.1.2. YEAH. SO YEAH. SO FLU 7.1 IS ABOUT COMPATIBILITY. THAT'S EXISTING LANGUAGE. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD HAVE TO STAY THERE BECAUSE THAT'S REQUIRED IN THAT ELEMENT. SO 7.1. POINT ONE. AND. OKAY. NO, JUST BACK TO TRANSPORTATIONS. THE OTHER BIG ONE. AND THEN INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION IS COORDINATING WITH THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY, NOT NECESSARILY AIRPORT ITSELF. SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SPLIT OUT. BUT THEY DO NEED TO BE CROSS-REFERENCED SO THAT YOU CAN FIND ALL THE PIECES ABOUT AVIATION AIRPORT. AND WERE THERE ANY THERE ARE SOME THINGS MAYBE I JUST AM NOT FINDING IT BECAUSE THEY'RE IN DIFFERENT SECTIONS, BUT THE LOT COVERAGE OF THE AIRPORT, DID THAT MOVE SOMEPLACE? NO, THAT'S STILL IN THE FUTURE. LAND USE. THAT'S 40%. I THINK IT'S STILL IN THE THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT SECTION. THAT WAS NOT CHANGED. OKAY. IS THAT RELATE TO THE DESIGNATION? IT'S THE 40% LOT COVERAGE. SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, ERIC. I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS OR ANY ANYTHING UNDER AIRPORT COMMERCIAL CHANGED. RIGHT. OKAY. AND I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM THAT STAFF DEPARTMENT HEADS HAVE EVALUATED THE CHANGES THAT ARE MADE IN THE, I GUESS WE'LL CALL THEM THE SUMMARIES OF THE DIFFERENT SECTIONS WE PROVIDED. YES, WE PROVIDED THIS DRAFT TO ALL THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT HEADS FOR REVIEW. AND THERE WAS. THE COMMENTS FROM EACH DEPARTMENT WERE INCORPORATED BY THE CONSULTANT INTO THE PLAN. SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY INCORPORATES COMMENTS FROM THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YES. QUESTION. TECHNICALLY, THROUGHOUT THIS DOCUMENT YOU PUT TOGETHER, WHICH IS VERY NICE, REFERS TO IT AS THE NAPLES MUNICIPAL AIRPORT, IS IT NOT? NOW THE NAPLES REGIONAL AIRPORT? I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT'S TRUE. I MEAN, I BELIEVE IT'S STILL TECHNICALLY, LEGALLY, EVEN IN THE THE HOUSE BILL, THE SPECIAL LEGISLATION, IT REFERS TO IT AS THE NAPLES MUNICIPAL AIRPORT. I BELIEVE I'LL BRING THAT UP. I BELIEVE IT WAS CHANGED A WHILE BACK TO REGIONAL AIRPORT, BUT I COULD BE MISTAKEN. CITY OF NAPLES MUNICIPAL AIRPORT. I'M READING RIGHT FROM THE ENROLLED HB 405. THE AUTHORITY'S NAME IS. I DON'T THINK IT'S BEEN I DON'T THINK IT'S EVER BEEN CHANGED IN THE SPECIAL LEGISLATION THAT'S SET UP THAT IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING IT HAD BEEN CHANGED WITH THAT. IF IT'S NOT, I COULD LOOK INTO THAT. IT MIGHT BE JUST A BRANDING, A BRANDING EFFORT. NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. AND THEN THERE WERE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS MADE BY SOME MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. AND ONE SECTION WOULD BE HOME RULE AND LOCAL AUTHORITY. MR. DICKMAN, YOUR THOUGHTS ON ADDING THAT? THAT'S A BIG TOPIC. YOU HAVE A WHOLE SECTION OF THE FLORIDA STATUTE ON THAT. IS THAT IN. I DIDN'T READ THIS. I DIDN'T READ THE PUBLIC COMMENTS ON IT. SORRY. DOES IT SAY IT WASN'T A POLICIES ADDRESSING IT, I JUST. I TYPICALLY I HAVE NOT SEEN AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. I DON'T SEE POLICIES, GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES AND COMPREHENSIVE PLANS THAT ESSENTIALLY SAY WE WILL FIGHT TO PRESERVE OUR RIGHTS UNDER HOME RULE AUTHORITY. AND THAT'S NOT BECAUSE IT'S MORE OF A LAND USE, LAND PLANNING, FORWARD LOOKING POLICY DOCUMENTS. SO I, I THAT'S YOUR LOCAL AGENCY SHOULD BE THE AUTHORITY OF. YEAH, YEAH. I MEAN, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BY LAW, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. YOU CAN PUT [04:20:01] WHAT YOU WANT IN IT. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ACTUAL ACTION STEP WOULD BE. SO I'M GOING TO REVIEW THIS. I WITH MR. YOUNG AND WITH MISS MARTIN, BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME AREAS OF, LIKE I SAID, THE LANGUAGE THAT SHOULD BE STRONGER. AND I HOPE THAT COUNCIL, IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO ASK THOSE QUESTIONS, YOU'LL DO THAT WITH STAFF. AND WHEN WILL WE GET THE DEFINITIONS AND THE MAPS? SO THE MAPS ARE IN THE CURRENT DRAFT THAT YOU HAVE. THE DEFINITIONS WOULD BE AVAILABLE IN THE NEXT DRAFT THAT'S BEING SUBMITTED. I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT A CHANGE TO THE MAPS OR THOSE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE PRESENTATION THAT THERE WOULD BE. SO WE WOULD CARRY THERE. THERE'S A DRAFT IN THE CURRENT VERSION THAT YOU HAVE, AND THEN ANY KIND OF ADJUSTMENTS THAT ARE BE MADE WOULD BE INCORPORATED, AS WELL AS THE DEFINITIONS IN THE PLAN ADVISORY BOARD DRAFT THAT WOULD BE TAKEN OUT TO THE MAY 13TH, MAY 13TH MEETING. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. DO NOT HAVE ANY COUNCIL STAFF. DO YOU HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS? COMMENTS? NOPE. I'D BE HAPPY TO MEET WITH YOU, LIKE YOU SAID, AND GO OVER THIS WITH GARY PRIOR TO THE NEXT ROUND OF PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. ALL RIGHT. WELL, COUNCIL, THAT CONCLUDES SIX A. MOVE, BUT WAIT, MR. DICKMAN, SO THIS DOCUMENT IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSS WHEN. I'LL I WILL AS. I TELL YOU WHAT, I'LL HAVE IT READY TO BRING BACK. IT'LL I'LL BE ABLE TO SIT DOWN WITH GARY, THE ERICA AND THE TEAM BETTER WHEN WE GET BACK TOGETHER AND SEE HOW WE PUT THIS TOGETHER. AND IT MAY DEPEND ON SOME OF THE OTHER ACTIONS THAT YOU TAKE THIS WEEK. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I HAVE A MUCH BETTER UNDERSTANDING NOW THAT YOU'VE DONE THE PRESENTATION. AND THAT CONCLUDES SIX. A MOVING TO ITEM SIX B. I'M SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. THANK YOU MAYOR. WE'RE GOING TO [6.G) Discussion on HB 4005 (This item is scheduled to be heard directly after the conclusion of Agenda Item 6.A.Comprehensive Plan Update) (Supplement 1/Added item).] GO TO SIX G, WHICH IS IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE COMP PLAN. GOT IT. SO THANK YOU MAYOR. ITEM SIX G WAS JUST IN IN LIGHT OF THE GOVERNOR'S ACTIONS, WE ADDED A DISCUSSION ITEM RELATED TO HB 4005. AND I WOULD DEFER TO YOU IN QUESTIONS OR COMMENTARY THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE ON THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT MATTER. OKAY. COUNCIL, WE HAD COME TO A DISCUSSION THAT IF H0054005 4005 WERE TO BE PASSED BY THE GOVERNOR, THAT WE WOULD EXPLORE OUR OPTIONS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE PROTECTED OUR HOME RULE AND OUR RIGHT TO MANAGE OUR MOST VALUABLE ASSET WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. THE NEXT STEPS, MR. DICKMAN. YES. THANK YOU MAYOR. YOU ALL HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO INDIVIDUALLY SPEAK WITH LEGAL COUNSEL AS WE. JAMIE COLE, ON WHAT WHAT OPTIONS ARE OUT THERE LEGALLY. SO I THINK YOU ALL HAVE BEEN BRIEFED INDIVIDUALLY. ONE OF THE. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT. WITHOUT GETTING INTO TOO MUCH DETAILS, BUT THERE'S SEVERAL AVENUES OF LEGAL RECOURSE THAT WERE LAID OUT FOR YOU ALL. HOWEVER, THE FLORIDA STATUTE, CHAPTER 164 IS A CONFLICT RESOLUTION STATUTE, AND BEFORE AN A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY CAN BRING A LEGAL ACTION AGAINST ANOTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY, WHICH WOULD BE THE SPECIAL DISTRICT CALLED THE THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY. SINCE THAT'S THE ACT THAT WAS CHANGED, YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS CONFLICT RESOLUTION PROCESS, WHICH CAN ACTUALLY BE VERY BENEFICIAL IN THE SENSE THAT IT GIVES ALL THE PARTIES AN [04:25:01] OPPORTUNITY TO GET IN THE ROOM AND ESSENTIALLY DO A MEDIATION AND SEE WHERE THAT GOES. IT IT'S ALL INITIATED BY PASSAGE OF A RESOLUTION, AND THEN TRANSMITTING THAT RESOLUTION WITHIN FIVE DAYS TO THE OTHER, TO THE CHIEF OFFICER, CHIEF CHIEF ADMINISTRATOR OF THE OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY IN THIS CASE WOULD BE THE NA. AND WE WANTED TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION. SINCE YOU ARE MEETING ON WEDNESDAY, AND WE CAN HAVE A RESOLUTION PREPARED FOR YOU TO TO INITIATE THIS PROCESS. AND ONCE AGAIN, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT THERE THERE IS NO COMMITMENT TO ENTER INTO LITIGATION. IT'S A COMMITMENT TO ENTER INTO CONFLICT RESOLUTION AND MEDIATION. COUNCIL MEMBER, ARE YOU COMPLETE? YES, SIR. YES. THAT'S IT. OKAY. KRAMER, IF WE WERE GOING TO LITIGATE IS A NATURAL FIRST STEP TO BEGIN CHAPTER 164 PROCESS. ANYWAY, IT'S A REQUIRED FIRST STEP. THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I CONDITION. PRECEDENT. THAT'S RIGHT. WELL THEN THERE YOU GO. THAT SAYS IT ALL, DOESN'T IT? WE NEED TO START 164 AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. YES. BLANKENSHIP. OKAY. SO YEAH. 164 WE NEED TO DO TO ADDRESS OUR RELATIONSHIP STATUS, THE LEASE, ETC. WITH THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY. IS THAT REQUIRED BEFORE THE CITY WERE TO SUE A STATE AGENCY? ACTUALLY, LET ME PULL UP THE STATUTE. I DON'T BELIEVE IT ADDRESSES A STATE AGENCY, BUT I CAN LOOK INTO THAT. LET ME PULL THAT UP REAL QUICKLY. ALL RIGHT. GOVERNING BODY MEANS COUNCIL, COMMISSION OR OTHER BODY OR BODY IN WHICH THE GENERAL LEGISLATIVE POWERS OF A LOCAL, REGIONAL GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY ARE VESTED. LET ME SEE FURTHER HERE. DUTY SUIT. I DON'T KNOW. I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. WHETHER WE WOULD NAME THE STATE AS WELL. I HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. YEAH. MAYBE IF WE CAN, IF YOU'RE ABLE TO ANSWER THAT BY WEDNESDAY, BECAUSE MY QUESTION IS, IN ADDITION TO THE 164 RESOLUTION WITH THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY, SHOULD WE BE ENGAGING COUNCIL NOW TO LOOK AT SUING THIS, THE RELEVANT STATE AGENCY TO BLOCK ALL OR PORTIONS OF HB 405? OKAY. SO THE AGENCY THAT OVERSEES SPECIAL DISTRICTS, ALL THE SPECIAL DISTRICTS HAVE TO SUBMIT REPORTS AND SO FORTH, IS FLORIDA COMMERCE. THAT WOULD BE THE AGENCY THAT WOULD BE NAMED, SINCE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE THE KIND OF MANAGING ENTITY OF SPECIAL DISTRICTS. AND THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF SPECIAL DISTRICTS ACROSS FLORIDA, NOT JUST AVIATION DISTRICTS, BUT WATER DISTRICTS, ALL KINDS OF DISTRICTS. SO YES, WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT. IN FACT, WE'VE HAD WE HAVE HAD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THAT ALREADY INTERNALLY AMONG THE THE TWO LAWYERS THAT WE HAVE RETAINED THAT ARE SPECIALISTS IN THIS AREA TO DECIDE WHICH ENTITIES WE WOULD WANT TO NAME. OKAY. YEAH, IF YOU CAN LOOK INTO THAT AND GIVE US MORE GUIDANCE ON WEDNESDAY, I FEEL LIKE WE'RE AT THE POINT WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON THAT AND PROCEED. IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT, PROCEED VERY QUICKLY SINCE IT'S THE LAW, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, WOULD HAVE PEOPLE POTENTIALLY QUALIFYING VERY SOON TO RUN FOR THIS BOARD TO BE ELECTED IN NOVEMBER, IN NOVEMBER. RIGHT. SO IF WE WANT TO STOP OR INTERRUPT, PAUSE THAT PROCESS, WE NEED TO MOVE QUICKLY. CORRECT. SO THE THE CHAPTER 164 PROCESS IS THAT YOU WOULD WITHIN, AS I SAID, WITHIN FIVE DAYS, YOU WOULD SUBMIT THE RESOLUTION TO THE OTHER PARTIES. THEN WITHIN 30 DAYS, THERE'S A CONFLICT ASSESSMENT MEETING AND THEN WITHIN 50 DAYS THERE WOULD BE A JOINT PUBLIC MEETING, AND THEN IT WOULD GO TO MEDIATION. SO THIS IS A FAIRLY FAST TWO MONTH PROCESS. YEAH, THANKS. I UNDERSTAND THAT. I KNOW WE NEED WE NEED I KNOW THE CLOCK IS TICKING TO NOVEMBER ALSO. YEAH. THIS POTENTIAL FOR THE FIVE MEMBERS TO BE ELECTED BY THE COUNTY VOTERS, WHICH EFFECTIVELY SURRENDERS CONTROL OF THE CITY ASSET TO COUNTY VOTERS. RIGHT. THAT'S THE PART [04:30:05] THAT WE MAY NEED TO SUE OVER AND MOVE MUCH FASTER ON, IN MY OPINION. OKAY. THANK YOU. SCHULTZ. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS HAS ALREADY POSTED IT. AND THERE'S ONE CANDIDATE FILED. I, I BELIEVE HIS LAST NAME IS MORGAN FROM MORGAN BANK LINEAGE. AND HAS ANYBODY EVEN EXPLORED WHAT THE COST OF LITIGATION WOULD BE WHEN YOU'RE FILING IN WHICH JURISDICTIONS, WHAT ARE THE COSTS INVOLVED ON A DUE DILIGENCE EFFORT? IF THIS GETS INTO THE 5,000,010 MILLION RANGE, THE EXPOSURE ON THAT WOULD BE NOT INSIGNIFICANT GIVEN THE NEEDS OF THE CITY. AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE AN IDEA OF A BALLPARK BUDGET OF HOW FAR ARE WE GOING TO GO WITH THIS, WITH THE RESOURCE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF THE CITY? SO I'D LIKE TO AT LEAST HAVE SOME IDEAS. WHAT WILL THIS POTENTIAL LITIGATION COST ALL THE TAXPAYERS OF THE CITY? AND IT'S ALREADY POSTED. SO THAT ISSUE IS THERE. YEAH. I MELON OR MORGAN ONE OF THE ONE OF THE BANKING SCANS. I'M SORRY, IT'S MELANIE MORGAN. I CAN'T LAST NAME OF THE INDIVIDUAL WHO FILED. WELL THE EXPOSURE WE COULD PROBABLY GET YOU SOME KIND OF AN ESTIMATE ON WHAT'S GOING TO TAKE PLACE IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. AND IN MY PERSONAL OPINION, REPRESENTING THE CITY SINCE 2008, HOME RULE HAS BEEN RIGHTFULLY PROTECTED, SHOULD BE RIGHTFULLY PROTECTED, AND THE PROPERTY TAXES AND OWNERS HAVE A RIGHT TO BE PROTECTED, ESPECIALLY WITH THE LARGEST ASSET OF OF THE CITY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CALLED EXPOSURE OR IF IT'S MAKING SURE THAT YOU YOUR RIGHTS ARE PROTECTED. FROM MY OPINION, SPENDING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IS NOT INCONSEQUENTIAL. IN CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH THE STATE DELEGATION, INCLUDING PASSIDOMO MELO BENHARROCH FOLKS IN THE COUNTY, THEY APTLY REMINDED ME THAT THE LEGISLATURE GAVE YOU THE ABILITY IN 1969 TO RUN THE AIRPORT AND THE IN ALL IN UNISON THEY SAID THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO TAKE IT BACK. I DON'T AGREE WITH. I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY. I DON'T KNOW, BUT THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THE POSITIONS THEY'RE PUTTING FORWARD. AND THEY'RE ALLEGING MISMANAGEMENT ON THE CITY'S PART. IF IT'S ACCURATE OR NOT. I DON'T KNOW. THAT PREDATES ME AS I HAVEN'T SERVED AS LONG AS YOU HAVE. BUT THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS, I THINK, THAT MATTER TO THE ENTIRE CITIZENRY. AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS THAT EXACT ALLEGING. KRAMER. THOSE ARE GOOD POINTS. I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF. IF THE CASE WAS RESOLVED IN OUR FAVOR ON ITS MERITS, THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE REIMBURSED THAT MONEY ANYWAY. THAT THAT'LL BE PART OF THE THE DECISION. I'M IT'S HOW IT GENERALLY WOULD GO IS THAT WE'LL BE COMPENSATED. IS THAT THE CASE? MR. DICKMAN? DOES SAY ENTITIES FAILING TO PARTICIPATE IN GOOD FAITH MAY BE REQUIRED TO PAY PREVAILING PARTY'S ATTORNEY FEES AND COSTS. SO IN THE CONFLICT RESOLUTION PHASE, IT'S. YOU BEAR YOUR OWN COSTS. SURE. I WILL TELL YOU THAT YOUR LEASE DOES HAVE A REFERENCE TO COSTS. WE HAVEN'T FULLY VETTED THAT OUT, BUT THERE ARE THERE IS A CLAUSE IN THERE. WELL, IT'S 1969 CONTRACT. IT DOES REFER TO COSTS TO ENFORCE. DON'T QUOTE ME. THE LANGUAGE COSTS TO ENFORCE THE THE THE LEASE. WELL, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT IF WE WIN IN COURT, IF IT EVER WENT THAT FAR. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A PREVAILING ATTORNEY FEE CLAUSE TO THAT. AND IT WOULD ALL DEPEND ON WHAT KIND OF ACTIONS YOU WOULD BRING. RIGHT NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST CONFLICT RESOLUTIONS. BUT SURE, THE TYPES OF ACTIONS THAT EACH ONE OF YOU HEARD ABOUT IN YOUR INDIVIDUAL CONVERSATIONS WITH ME, MATTHEW AND JAMIE COLE HAVE DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT VENUES, DIFFERENT ALLEGATIONS, DIFFERENT THINGS ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. AND SOME OF THEM MAY [04:35:02] HAVE PREVAILING ATTORNEY FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THEM. I THINK THAT'S WORTH LOOKING INTO BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE ALSO MELISSA DOES A FANTASTIC JOB. SHE'S AWESOME AS OUR SUPERVISOR ELECTIONS. BUT IF WE'RE I'M ASSUMING WE'D HAVE TO SUE HER IF WE'RE GOING TO GET AN INJUNCTION, PREVENT THIS ELECTION FROM HAPPENING IN THE MANNER THAT WOULD PROCEED. SHE MAY BE THAT THAT OFFICE, NOT HER THAT OFFICE WOULD WOULD HAVE POSSIBLY HAVE TO BE NAMED AS WELL. AND ULTIMATELY, IT COMES DOWN TO US DETERMINING, HEY, ARE WE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS? THAT'S REALLY THE QUESTION. I MEAN, I DO THINK WE SHOULD GET ESTIMATED EXPENSES. AND I THINK IN THE DIFFERENT VENUES, THE ESTIMATED EXPENSES, LOOK AT ALL THAT. BUT IN THE END, ARE WE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS OR NOT? AND, AND I DON'T JUST MEAN IN PRINCIPLE, I MEAN, DO WE HAVE A, A LEGITIMATE CHANCE TO, TO PREVAIL. AND, AND THAT'S THE QUESTION FOR US TO DETERMINE. RIGHT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. AND THERE'S AGAIN, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO COMMITMENT. I MEAN, GOING THROUGH THIS CONFLICT RESOLUTION PROCESS DOES NOT COMMIT YOU TO LITIGATION. IT MAY FLUSH OUT THE ISSUES IF IT CAN'T BE RESOLVED. BUT THERE'S ALSO A CHANCE THAT THINGS COULD BE RESOLVED BECAUSE YOU'LL BE WORKING WITH THE CURRENT N A A, AND PERHAPS YOU CAN GET THINGS RESOLVED SUFFICIENTLY THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS PROPERTY THAT IS OWNED BY THE CITY. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT. AND YOU COULD JUST SAY, DO NOTHING. YOU STILL OWN THE PROPERTY. THEY'RE NOT TAKING THE PROPERTY FROM YOU. IT WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY SPECIFICALLY TO HAVE THE AIRPORT BROUGHT INTO THE CITY. IT WAS VOTED TO DO THAT BACK IN THE 50S. SO YOU WILL STILL OWN THE PROPERTY. AND IN 49 YEARS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT WILL COME BACK, ALL OF IT AND EVERYTHING ON IT WILL COME BACK TO THE CITY. SO THEN FINALLY, AND ALSO SOME MORE DATA TO GATHER. AND I HOPE THIS I DON'T THINK IT'S A BIT CUMBERSOME FOR YOU, BUT WERE WE TO ASK FOR AN INJUNCTION ON THIS ELECTION, WHOEVER THAT WOULD BE ADDRESSED TO, LIKE, WHAT'S THE TIMELINE ON THAT? IS THAT KIND OF GET THE BALL ROLLING IMMEDIATELY OR WOULD WE HAVE TIME AFTER THIS? I MEAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF HOW LONG THAT SORT OF THING? I THINK YES, I THINK THERE WILL BE TIME. WE CAN'T I DON'T BELIEVE THE STATUTE ALLOWS US. WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT IT IF THERE'S OTHER ENTITIES, BUT THAT WOULD BE A LOCAL COUNTY ENTITY. SO IT WOULD FALL UNDER THE STATUTE. SO I BELIEVE THAT YOU STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THIS CONFLICT RESOLUTION PROCESS. BUT THEN DURING A LOT OF THINGS CAN HAPPEN CONCURRENTLY. IN OTHER WORDS, WE CAN PREPARE FOR HAVING TO FILE FOR AN EMERGENCY INJUNCTION IF WE NEED TO. SO THAT GOES FROM LIKE, LET'S SAY, MAY AND JUNE, WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. WE END UP IN JULY, AND THAT'S STILL WELL BEFORE THE NOVEMBER ELECTION, TO FILE LOCALLY IN A COUNTY COURT AND ASK FOR THAT KIND OF INJUNCTION. OKAY. THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CARL. YEAH, I WOULD SAY THERE WAS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND WE'RE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF PROTECTING HOME RULE. I MEAN, IT'S JUST NOT NOT A QUESTION IN MY MIND. RESIDENTS CLEARLY HAVE BEEN BEHIND THAT. BUT ABOVE AND BEYOND A HOME RULE. THIS IS A SAFETY ISSUE TO ME. YOU HAVE AN AIRPORT NOW. THERE'S NO CONTROL. WE HAVE NO APPOINTING RULE ON ON THE SAFETY ISSUE. YOU HAVE KIND OF BLIND VOTING, PUTTING IN MEMBERS OF THE AIRPORT THAT COULD MAKE THE AIRPORT FROM THE AIRPORT TO A CORPORATE AIRPORT. THAT'S JUST FOCUSING ON FLEXJET ARRIVALS AND ALL THAT. SO I'M JUST I'VE GOT A BIG CONCERN WITH THE SAFETY PART OF THIS WHOLE THING. THE OTHER THING I HAVE A BIG PROBLEM WITH IS THAT HOW DOES ONE STATE REP THAT'S NOT IN THE DISTRICT OF, OF, OF THIS AIRPORT PROPOSED. THIS RULE ONLY AFFECTS OUR AIRPORT IN THE STATE. AND WHAT'S THIS ABOUT? I MEAN, THIS HAS TO BE INVESTIGATED. SO I THINK THERE'S AN ETHICS AND MAYBE A POSSIBLE LEGAL LAW ENFORCEMENT INVESTIGATION THAT'S NEEDED ON THIS, BECAUSE THIS DOESN'T SMELL RIGHT TO ME. THEN GET PUSHED THROUGH BY A LOCAL OUR SENATE REP THAT THAT IS INVOLVED IN DEVELOPMENT AND DEVELOPMENT FIRM, LEGAL FIRM. POSSIBLE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST THERE. I MEAN, JUST THIS HAS TO BE MORE THAN EVEN A LEGAL CASE TO ME. THIS SHOULD BE IN THE LAW AT THIS POINT AND BEING EXAMINED THERE. SO THE SAFETY, THE HOME RULE INVESTIGATION AND THERE'S WAYS TO DO THIS LEGALLY THAT DOESN'T INVOLVE BIG MONEY. YOU KNOW, I DID LANDLORD TENANT STUFF ALL MY LIFE. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY IN MY MIND A LOT OF ISSUES HERE. AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE EASIEST WAY TO ATTACK THIS WITH, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FIGHT THE STATE [04:40:01] GOVERNMENT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME AS MUCH AS LOOKING AT LOOKING INTO THAT LEASE. AND THERE'S A LOT OF LOT OF PINHOLES THERE TO EXAMINE. AND IN THE END, YOU COULD JUST SAY, WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO RENEW YOUR LEASE. I'M 45 YEARS. THERE'S A LOT OF LEVERAGE WE HAVE. SO PEOPLE ARE DOWN. I, I DON'T THINK THIS CASE SHOULD BE AS HARD AS WHAT SOME PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT. THAT'S MY PERSONAL VIEW. COUNCIL MEMBER CARL, I, I ADMIRE THE LITTLE BIT OF TIME THAT YOU'VE BEEN EXPOSED TO THIS, BUT LIVING IN THE CITY FOR AS LONG AS YOU HAVE FOR HAVING SUCH STRONG OPINIONS, BECAUSE I REALLY NOT JUST THIS, BUT THE NUMEROUS HOME RULE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN TAKEN AWAY NOT JUST FROM US, BUT THE STATE HAS TAKEN AWAY THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE STATE FOR OTHER CITIES IS VERY CONCERNING ON. AND THE FACT THAT OUR LOCAL NA NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY DID NOT INITIATE THIS. AND WE ARE NOW IN A DISPUTE WITH OUR OWN REPRESENTATIVES WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE A CONFLICT WITH THEM IN THE BEGINNING IS VERY CONCERNING THAT A DECISION CAN BE MADE TO TAKE AWAY OUR HOME RULE AUTHORITY. AND NOW WE HAVE THIS OPTION OF 164 TO HAVE CONFLICT RESOLUTION WITH ANOTHER GOVERNMENT BODY THAT DIDN'T ASK FOR IT OR DIDN'T ASK US FOR IT, OR THE COUNTY, BUT THE STATE CHOSE. SO IT IS CONCERNING. THANK YOU. I HAVE SCHULTZ, I TOTALLY AGREE ON THE MEDIATION. TOTALLY. BUT TO BE SOBER AND CLEAR EYED, I'VE NEVER GONE INTO LITIGATION OR NEVER BOUGHT A SECURITY I THOUGHT WAS GOING TO GO DOWN. BUT THE TRIER OF FACT HAS TO AGREE IN ANY EMOTIONAL DECISION CAN BE AN EXPENSIVE ONE. THERE'S A LOT OF LEGITIMATE COMPLAINTS AS TO WHY THIS SHOULD NOT GO FORWARD. AND I, IN MY CONVERSATIONS, I WAS NOT CONVINCED THAT WE SHOULDN'T. BUT WE JUST IN MY JUDGMENT, WE MUST FULLY EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY THAT A TRIER OF FACT WOULD FIND DIFFERENTLY THAN OUR EMOTIONS WOULD THINK. WHAT THEY SHOULD DETERMINE. AND SO BOTH SIDES HAVE TO BE FULLY EXPLORED AND EXPLAINED. AND I WAS ONCE TOLD WHEN THERE WAS AN ISSUE WITH THE SEC WITH ME, IT DIDN'T MATTER WHAT MY EXPLANATION WAS. IF I'M TALKING, I'M LOSING. AND I FOUND THAT TO BE AMAZING. PRESUMPTIVE GUILT WHEN THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AND NO CLIENT LOST A PENNY, NO CLIENT FILED A COMPLAINT, AND MY LICENSES WERE GOOD FOR 12 MORE YEARS. SO I THOUGHT IT WAS RIGHT IN THE WAY. BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS TO LITIGATE. WHY BOTHER? JUST GET IT TO GO AWAY BECAUSE IT'S NOT PRODUCTIVE. SO I JUST BELIEVE IN FULLY EXPLORING EVERY ASPECT AND ACTUALLY LISTENING TO THE ANSWERS FROM ALL THE EXPERTS INVOLVED IN IT, IN PARTICULAR THE ATTORNEYS, BECAUSE WE COULD BE LIABLE IN A NEGATIVE EVENT, COUNCILMAN KRAMER, FOR THEIR LEGAL FEES TO. SO THERE'S A LOT OF ASPECTS TO THIS THAT WE NEED TO FULLY EXPLORE FOR ALL DUE DILIGENCE AS FIDUCIARIES OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF NAPLES AND THE CITY OF NAPLES IS A DIVERSE CITY, AND A LOT OF HOAS DON'T HAVE PROBLEMS. THE DOORS I KNOCKED ON NORTH OF MOORINGS AND COQUINA, THE ISSUES THERE WERE GROWTH, DEVELOPMENT, RESILIENCY. NOBODY. NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ABOUT AN AIRPORT. YOU GET SOUTH OF THE OF THE GOLF COURSE AND THAT'S EVERY EVERYBODY OKAY. THAT'S ALL AIRPORT. AND SO MY EVOLUTION WAS I STARTED ON THE COASTAL STORM RISK MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE. THAT'S HOW I MET ALL THE HOA PRESIDENTS AND VISITED WITH THEM MONTHLY. AND THEN THROUGH THAT PROCESS, THAT WAS RESILIENCY WAS NUMBER ONE JUST FOUR YEARS AGO. AND THEN IT WAS GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT. THAT WAS CRISIS TWO, WITHIN A YEAR AND A HALF, TWO YEARS. AND NOW IT'S THE AIRPORT. SO IT'S LURCHING FROM CRISIS TO CRISIS TO CRISIS. BUT THIS ONE COULD BE A BIG A BIG EXPENDITURE. AND I JUST WANT TO FULLY VET THE THING FROM EVERY ANGLE. SO WE'RE VERY SOBER IN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR BECAUSE ONCE ALL SIDES OF THE STORY ARE TOLD, SOMEWHERE IN THERE, AN ARBITER OF FACT IS GOING TO SEPARATE EMOTION FROM REALITY. MY [04:45:03] THOUGHTS? THANK YOU. GOOD POINTS. I'LL JUST SAY, THOUGH, WHEN YOU MENTIONED THAT THEIR CONCERNS WERE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT FROM THE NORTH END, GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT IS PART OF OF EVERY ASPECT IN THIS CITY, INCLUDING THE AIRPORT GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT THAT IMPACTS OUR CITY RESIDENTS. AND YOU'LL BE SURPRISED AT THE NUMBER OF COUNTY RESIDENTS THAT THIS HAS AFFECTED. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US, MR. YOUNG? WELL, NO, I THINK THE FIRST DIRECTION WOULD BE FOR FOR MR. DICKMAN AS TO WHETHER OR NOT HE'S GOING, YOU KNOW, WHAT TO PREPARE FOR WEDNESDAY AND THEN I'LL HAVE A STATEMENT AFTER THAT. THANK YOU. WE JUST NEED A CONSENSUS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE US TO PREPARE A RESOLUTION FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION ON WEDNESDAY, THIS WEDNESDAY, AND WE'LL WORK WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE TO PREPARE THAT AS A WALK ON. CORRECT THE WALK ON ITEM FOR WEDNESDAY THIS WEDNESDAY. OKAY. AND, MADAM MAYOR, WHAT I WOULD DO IS IF WE GET IT PREPARED BY TOMORROW, WE WILL ISSUE A SUPPLEMENT SO THAT IT'S IT'S DONE PRIOR TO THE START OF THE MEETING. PERFECT. THAT'S AWESOME. ONE LAST QUESTION. THE CITY MANAGER, DOES OUR LOBBYIST HAVE A RELATIONSHIP LOBBYING FOR ANY OTHER GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY. SO YOU HAVE YOU HAD THE AIRPORT LOBBYIST, WHICH WAS THROUGH AND THEN THE OTHER ATTORNEY, BUT OUR LOBBYIST ALSO HAS COLLIER COUNTY, AS IS ACTUALLY WE HAVE THE SAME LOBBYIST, RIGHT? SO OUR LOBBYIST IS THE SAME ONE THAT REPRESENTS THE COUNTY. WHAT ARE WE DOING? BUT PLEASE CLARIFY FOR HIM THAT WE HAVE ALSO A SEPARATE LOBBYIST THAT WE HIRED FOR THE FOR THE AIRPORT. THE AIRPORT? YES. 112 TO 1 38 TO 0. I MEAN, THAT'S A TOUGH JOB. AND AGAIN, THE LOBBYIST WAS WAS CHOSEN BEFORE I TOOK OVER AS CITY MANAGER. BUT KEEPING IN MIND THAT THERE ARE DUPLICATIONS OF EFFORTS, INCLUDING SEPTIC TO SEWER PROJECTS WHERE WE'RE LOBBYING FOR JOINT PROJECT MONEY. AND SO THERE ARE ARE SOME OVERLAPS THERE. I'M JUST MAKING THAT STATEMENT. BUT ACTUALLY, WHEN WE UP UNTIL I THINK IT WAS WHAT, 2019, WE DIDN'T EVEN HAVE A LOBBYIST. AND THEN IT WAS A ACTUALLY UTILIZATION OF THE COUNTY. AND THAT'S CONTINUED, I BELIEVE, SINCE THAT TIME. THAT'S ROUGHLY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. AND THEN, MADAM MAYOR, I DO HAVE A COUPLE STATEMENTS OF PROCESS. SO WE WILL ISSUE A SUPPLEMENT THAT WILL BE THAT IT'S JUST FROM AN EXPECTATION GOING FORWARD. I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT. SO WHAT, BASED ON WHATEVER DECISION THAT YOU MAKE ON WEDNESDAY AND DEPENDING ON WHAT DIRECTION. EITHER WAY, COME MAY 6TH, YOU'LL HAVE A RESOLUTION FOR A SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION FOR LITIGATION, BECAUSE I'LL REMIND YOU THAT WE ONLY HAD, I THINK, 125 IN THIS BUDGET, AND I THINK SOME OF THAT IS ALREADY TIED UP IN THE PRELIMINARY. AND ONCE HB 4005 WAS ENACTED OUT OF LEGAL. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO WAIT TILL AFTER SUMMER TO TAKE CARE OF THE OBLIGATIONS WE'RE INCURRING SO THAT IT'S REFLECTIVE IN OUR BUDGETARY DOCUMENTS. SO BASED ON YOUR DISCUSSION ON WEDNESDAY, WE'LL BRING SOMETHING BACK TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT LINE ITEM IS FUNDED BY THE MAY 6TH MEETING. AND THEN THE LAST THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS WE I WAS GOING TO TALK ABOUT THIS LAST MEETING, BUT WE AGREED AND, WELL, I DIDN'T WANT TO BRING IT UP BECAUSE IF YOU RECALL, WE WERE REACTING TO THE GOVERNOR'S VETO, BUT I DID HAVE A COUPLE DATES IN MIND THAT I WORKED OUT WITH THE MAYOR AND STAFF REGARDING POTENTIAL JOINT WORKSHOPS. SO I JUST WANT TO PUT THEM ON YOUR RADARS. MAY 11TH, MAY 12TH, AND POTENTIALLY JUNE 10TH. THAT ACTUALLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE A CRA MEETING. SO THE MAY WEEK IS THE OFF WEEK IN BETWEEN OUR COUNCIL MEETINGS. AND THEN THE JUNE MEETING IS YOU HAVE A CRA MEETING. SO IT'S ALSO THE OFF WEEK. BUT SINCE YOU'RE ALREADY IN THERE FOR A CRA MEETING, I HAD TO DO THAT. SO I'M JUST THROWING THOSE DATES OUT BECAUSE WHEN I BEGIN, YOU KNOW, COMMUNICATING WITH EITHER THE AIRPORT OR COLLIER COUNTY, THOSE ARE THE MOST LOGICAL DATES THAT I BELIEVE ARE WITHIN THE NEXT 60. SO JUNE 10TH. WAIT, CAN YOU JUST START MAY, MAY 11TH OR MAY 12TH AND THEN JUNE 10TH AND AGAIN, BECAUSE YOU HAVE A CRA MEETING ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR JUNE 12TH, JUNE 11TH, JUNE 11TH IS POSSIBLE AS WELL, BUT I THOUGHT YOU IN THE CRA. THAT'S WHAT I MEANT. JUNE 11TH. I'M SORRY. OKAY. IT WAS THE DAY BEFORE. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. NO, I JUST WANTED TO PUT THOSE DATES ON YOUR RADAR SO THAT. BECAUSE IF I DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO COMMUNICATE ANY OF THOSE DATES, EITHER COUNTY OR THE, THE, THE AIRPORT, I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. SO. YES, SIR. MADAM CLERK, DO YOU HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEM SIX G? I HAVE [04:50:04] NONE. OKAY. I WILL GO. OH, IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD. IT'S PUBLIC COMMENT. SORRY. I'LL YOU CAN GIVE IT TO THE CLERK AFTER YOU AFTERWARDS. NO. I'M ALAN PARKER, THIRD STREET SOUTH. GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. I JUST HAVE TO HAVE AN INTRODUCTION STATEMENT MEETING WITH THE AIRPORT NA FOR CONFLICT RESOLUTION. AND THEY DIDN'T PROMULGATE THIS. THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT AND CAN'T AGREE TO ANYTHING COMING OUT OF IT. SO I WOULD SAY THAT'S A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME. AND THE ONLY PEOPLE YOU NEED TO DEAL WITH, THE PEOPLE WHO PROMULGATED THE LAW. ANYWAY, LET ME NOW START. I'VE ALREADY LOST SOME TIME. TO ME, HB 405 IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL POWER GRAB BY SPECIAL INTERESTS. IT STRIPS THE CITY OF THE POWER TO MANAGE ITS OWN PROPERTY, AND HAS DIRE CONSEQUENCES FOR THE FUTURE OF HOME RULE. YOU ALL HAVE SAID THAT I URGE THE COUNCIL TO SUE THE STATE, THE STATE TO OVERTURN THE LAW AND COMMIT THE RESOURCES NEEDED TO PREVAIL. BUT WHAT IF THE LITIGATION FAILS AND THE LAW TAKES EFFECT? WHAT SHOULD THE CITY DO TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT SITUATION? THE CITY SHOULD ASSERT THAT THE LAW TERMINATES THE CITY'S EXISTING LEASE. THE EXISTING LEASE WAS SIGNED WITH AN NA WHOSE MEMBERS WERE APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL AND NOT BY COUNTYWIDE VOTE. THE NEW LEASE WILL BE REQUIRED AFTER ELECTION OF THE NEW NA. THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS INCLUDED IN THE NEW LEASE CAN BE CAN RECAPTURE AND EXPAND THE CITY'S CONTROL OVER THE AIRPORT OPERATIONS AND SUBSTANTIALLY REDUCE THE NEW NA'S AUTHORITY. THE NA ALREADY A USELESS ANACHRONISM THAT ADDS NO VALUE OTHER THAN AS THE AIRPORT'S PROTECTOR SHOULD BE TERMINATED, THE CITY SHOULD NOTIFY THE EXISTING NA AND THE COUNTY THAT THE EXISTING LEASE WILL BE TERMINATED IN NOVEMBER. THEY SHOULD DO IT NOW. IF THE LAW IS NOT RESCINDED TO AVOID ANY INTERRUPTION OF SERVICE, THE NEW NA MUST EXECUTE A NEW LEASE BEFORE NOVEMBER 4TH. THE NEW LEASE WOULD NOT BE SUBJECT TO NEGOTIATION. THE CITY IS A MONOPOLY HERE. THERE AIN'T ANOTHER AIRPORT. WHAT PIECE OF LAND? SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO NEGOTIATE FOR ANYTHING. IT'S A IT'S A DEMAND LETTER. THE NEW LEASE SHOULD INCLUDE THE INITIAL MONTHLY RENTAL RATE OF AT LEAST $7 MILLION A MONTH. THAT'S $80 MILLION A YEAR ANNUALLY. THE LEASE SHOULD BE FOR 20 YEARS AND RENEWABLE IF THE AIRPORT MEETS ALL TERMS AND CONDITIONS. THESE TOUGH CONDITIONS WOULD INCLUDE, AMONG OTHERS, ENDING GRANTS, A HARD CURFEW, NO VOLUME DISCOUNTS, CAPACITY LIMITS, FLIGHT TRACKS BASED ON ALL POPULATION, NOT JUST RESIDENTIAL COUNTS. DOUBLE OR TRIPLE LANDING FEES FOR THE RENTAL JETS, ABOUT 50% OF THE JET TRAFFIC OVER THERE, THE AIRPORT LOBBY WILL EXPLODE IN OPPOSITION. THE USERS OF THE AIRPORT HAVE A SWEETHEART DEAL WORTH FIGHTING FOR. WELL, FOR, FOR THE RICH AND THE PROOF. DO I HAVE TO END WELL? WERE YOU JUST COMPLETE? OKAY, OKAY. WORTH FIGHTING FOR. THE WELFARE FOR THE RICH AND THE PRIVILEGED. $1 A YEAR RENT GOOD FOR ANOTHER 42 YEARS TO 2068. WHILE THE FOLKS GET MORE NOISE AND POLLUTION AND THE VALUE OF THE LAND TRIPLES, THEY WILL CRY. UNFAIR, UNAFFORDABLE PAYMENTS OF THE NEW RENT WILL COME FROM LANDING FEES, WHICH CURRENTLY THERE ARE NONE. FUEL SALES, GENERAL OPERATIONS AND RENTS. THERE IS A SMALL PRICE FOR USERS TO PAY FOR THE CONVENIENCE AND PRIVILEGE OF ACCESS TO $1 BILLION PRIVATE AIRPORT LOCATION. WITHIN MINUTES OF THEIR DESTINATIONS, THE AIRPORT WILL CONTINUE TO OPERATE WITHOUT SUBSIDIES. IF IT IS NOT RESCINDED, THE CITY WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET RID OF THE EGREGIOUS AND GROSSLY UNFAIR LEASE AND RESTORE ITS POWER OVER THE NEW NA. IT WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MONETIZE THE BILLION DOLLAR PLUS VALUE OF THE CITY'S LAND THAT IS NEEDED TO FUND THE CRITICAL CITY NEEDS WITHOUT TAXING THE RESIDENTS. THE OUTCOME OF LITIGATION IS UNCERTAIN. THE CITY SHOULD BE [04:55:01] READY TO ATTACK IF THE LAW IS UPHELD. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY, COUNCIL, WE'LL GO TO A CONSENSUS. WE WON'T BE TAKING A VOTE. IT'S A WORKSHOP. BUT WE'LL START WITH MR. CARL. YES. TO PURSUE THE STRATEGIES GIVEN OUT BY OUR. YES. YEAH. I DEFINITELY WANT TO PURSUE IT. ALL MEANS POSSIBLE. YES. BARTON. KRAMER. YES. SCHULTZ IN FAVOR OF THE MEDIATION? YES. BLANKENSHIP. YEAH. IS THIS JUST FOR THE 164 MEDIATION, OR IS THIS ALSO INCLUDING THE OTHER THINGS THE ATTORNEY TALKED ABOUT, LIKE POTENTIAL LAWSUITS? WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. I'M THIS THIS WILL BE ONLY TO TO GET ON YOUR AGENDA WEDNESDAY, THE 164 CHAPTER 164 CONFLICT RESOLUTION PART. BUT I HEARD YOUR QUESTIONS AND I'M ALREADY COMMUNICATING A LITTLE BIT WITH THE ATTORNEYS AND WE'LL HAVE ANSWERS TO YOUR QUESTIONS. OKAY, SO JUST FOR THE CONFLICT RESOLUTION RESOLUTION. AND SO YOU'LL BECAUSE WE ALL MET INDIVIDUALLY, AND IF WE DO PURSUE A LAWSUIT, THEN WE CAN GO INTO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION TO UNDERSTAND STRATEGIES. BUT TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE ARE ALL GIVEN FOUR OPTIONS THAT COULD BE POSSIBILITIES AT MINIMUM. AND THOSE ITEMS COULD BE DISCUSSED. YOU'LL WAIT TILL HEAR BACK. YEAH, I WANT TO GET BACK TO YOU ON THAT BECAUSE I KNOW YES, WE OUTLINED FOUR POTENTIAL STRATEGIES AND AT LEAST ONE OF THEM INVOLVES THIS CHAPTER 164 PROCESS. AND WE THINK IT'S THE PLACE WHERE YOU WANT TO START RIGHT NOW. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO LOOK INTO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION PRIVILEGE, THE SUNSHINE LAW, YOU KNOW, EXCEPTIONS WITH REGARD TO GOING INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION UNDER THIS CHAPTER, BECAUSE IT'S TYPICALLY WHEN YOU FILE A LAWSUIT, THEN YOU'RE ABLE TO OR YOUR OR YOU'RE SUED WHEN A ONCE A LAWSUIT IS STARTED, THEN YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO IN AND TALK ABOUT MEDIATION OR EXPENDITURES. SO I APOLOGIZE, BUT THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT I HAVE TO RUN DOWN. THIS IS A FAST MOVING PROJECT, BUT I JUST WANT TO GET THIS RESOLUTION ON YOUR AGENDA WEDNESDAY. WELL, AS KRAMER, YOU KNOW, ALLUDED TO, AND SO DID BLANKENSHIP. AND I'M ASSUMING THAT THE OTHER THREE THINGS ARE STILL AS AN OPTION AND NEED TO BE DISCUSSED ON WEDNESDAY. WE'RE RUNNING ALL OF THEM DOWN. YES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU HAVE WHAT YOU NEED. OKAY, MR. YOUNG. OKAY, PERFECT. THAT CONCLUDES ITEM SIX G. WE'RE GOING BACK TO ITEM 6C8, I MEAN SIX B. THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE [6.B) Discussion of Elevating Nonconforming Residences for Flood Protection.] TOO MUCH RIDING ON MY SIX B. SO I'LL JUST TURN THIS OVER TO DISCUSSION ITEM ABOUT ELEVATING NON CONFORMING CONFORMING RESIDENCES FOR FLOOD PROTECTION. AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ERICA MARTIN. YEP. IF YOU RECALL THIS WAS ACTUALLY REQUESTED BY CITY COUNCIL RECENTLY THAT WE BRING THIS ITEM TO YOU TODAY. THIS IS RELATED TO THE ELEVATING THE ELEVATION OF NON-CONFORMING RESIDENCES. SO PRIOR OR SORRY, SUBSEQUENT TO THE IN MILTON HELENE, WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF REQUESTS FROM PROPERTY OWNERS TO ELEVATE NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURES. SO THESE ARE STRUCTURES THAT WERE BUILT. THESE ARE OLDER STRUCTURES THAT DO NOT COMPLY WITH THE REQUIRED SETBACKS IN THEIR ZONING DISTRICTS. AND THE REQUEST HAS BEEN TO ELEVATE THOSE STRUCTURES, ESSENTIALLY LIFT THEM IN PLACE TO MEET THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION, THE REQUIRED FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION TO BE CONSISTENT WITH FEMA REGULATIONS. SO WE BROUGHT A COUPLE OF WELL, WE BROUGHT A NUMBER OF THEM BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. AND CITY COUNCIL'S REQUEST WAS, IS THERE A WAY THAT WE COULD MAKE THIS EASIER, STREAMLINE THIS PROCESS FOR THE PETITIONERS CURRENTLY IN. EXPANSION OF A NONCONFORMITY REQUIRES. IT'S A FULL AGENDA ITEM. IT REQUIRES REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION BY THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, AND THEN A HEARING AND A VOTE BY CITY COUNCIL. SO IT'S A, YOU KNOW, A TWO HEARING PROCESS, ROUGHLY FOUR MONTH PROCESS. OFTENTIMES PEOPLE WANT TO GET THIS DONE PRIOR TO A STORM SEASON BEGINNING. WE'VE HAD SOME WE'VE TRIED OUR BEST TO EXPEDITE THAT PROCESS AS MUCH AS WE CAN FOR HOMEOWNERS. A COUPLE OF THE BENEFITS THAT COUNCIL HAS IDENTIFIED IN ALLOWING THESE STRUCTURES TO BE ELEVATED IS THESE ARE EXISTING, YOU KNOW, THE OLDER EXISTING STRUCTURES. [05:00:03] SO THE OPTIONS A HOMEOWNER HAS WHEN THEIR PROPERTY IS DESTROYED BY FLOODING IS TO EITHER REPAIR THAT PROPERTY OR, OR THAT STRUCTURE, OR TO DEMOLISH AND START OVER. WE HAVE A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES, JEFF. WE HAVE A SLIDESHOW HERE TO SHOW YOU A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF STRUCTURES THAT HAVE GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND BEEN BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, MOST RECENTLY, THE FIRST ONE BEING THE PROPERTY IN RIVER PARK. THEY RECEIVED A GRANT TO ELEVATE THIS PROPERTY, BUT THAT WAS A REQUEST TO JUST LIFT THAT STRUCTURE STRAIGHT UP IN PLACE. THEY DID NOT FILL IN BELOW THE STRUCTURE. THIS WAS ESSENTIALLY UP ON STILTS ON PILINGS, BUT THAT PROPERTY WAS DEVELOPED BEFORE WE REQUIRED SURVEYS WAS NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE FRONT SETBACK THAT WAS REQUIRED. SO THEY CAME BEFORE YOU TO REQUEST APPROVAL TO LIFT THAT STRAIGHT UP IN PLACE. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT THEY DID. CITY COUNCIL APPROVED THAT. I WOULD MENTION ALL OF THE REQUESTS FOR THIS SITUATION THAT HAVE COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL HAVE BEEN APPROVED. WE'VE NOT DENIED ANY OF THESE REQUESTS, BUT IT WAS A LENGTHY PROCESS FOR THEM. AND IN THE END, THEY IT'S BEEN COMPLETED. SO THIS IS ONE YOU COULD SEE FOR YOURSELF IF YOU DRIVE BY. THIS HAS BEEN COMPLETED. AND THEN THE SECOND IS RIGHT HERE NEXT DOOR. EVEN EASIER TO SEE FOR YOURSELF. THIS IS RIGHT ACROSS RIGHT BACK HERE BEHIND THE FIRE STATION. IT WAS TWO STRUCTURES. IT WAS A EXISTING RESIDENCE, A LITTLE COTTAGE, AND THEN A GUEST COTTAGE. AND AGAIN, THESE WERE THESE ARE HISTORIC STRUCTURES. AND THE REQUEST WAS JUST TO LIFT THEM STRAIGHT UP IN PLACE. THAT WORK IS UNDERWAY CURRENTLY, BUT YOU'D BE ABLE TO SEE THOSE IF YOU WENT, WENT OVER THERE YOURSELF. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE RUN INTO THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH YOU, IT DOES SEEM LIKE THE THE REQUEST FROM COUNCIL WAS, COULD WE CONSIDER AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL PROCESS IN THIS SITUATION? OF COURSE WE CAN. A COUPLE OF THINGS WE WANTED TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO DISCUSS IN IN FURTHER DETAIL. ONE IS WHEN YOU TAKE AN EXISTING STRUCTURE AND YOU LIFT IT SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT OR MORE FEET UP IN THE AIR, YOU HAVE TO ACCESS THAT STRUCTURE. SO NOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE A WAY TO GET IN AND OUT OF THAT BUILDING. AND SO YOU CAN'T JUST WALK OUT ONTO THE, THE STOOP THAT WAS THERE BEFORE. SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING IS IF YOU HAVE A STRUCTURE THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, PREVIOUSLY NON-COMPLIANT, NON-CONFORMING TO THE SETBACK, YOU LIFT IT UP. YOU ARE THEY DO HAVE TO ADD A STAIRWAY OR SOME SORT OF MEANS OF EGRESS, THAT THERE IS A REAL SPECTRUM OF WHAT THAT CAN MEAN. WE DID WE DO HAVE STEVE BECKMANN HERE BECAUSE I WAS DISCUSSING WITH HIM THERE'S A LEVEL OF COMFORT ON THE STAFF SIDE OF THE MINIMUM NECESSARY TO ACHIEVE CODE COMPLIANT EGRESS, BUT THAT MINIMUM NECESSARY. YOU'RE LOOKING AND I DON'T KNOW THE BUILDING CODE PRECISELY, BUT IT'S SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF, YOU KNOW, 30 TO LESS THAN LESS THAN THREE FEET WIDTH OF A STAIRWAY, WALK OUT YOUR HOUSE ONTO A LANDING TURN AND GO DOWN A STAIRWAY. NOW, IF SOMEONE COMES TO US AND SAYS, BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO, I WANT A GRAND DOUBLE OR STRAIGHT UP, THEN I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD COME TO COUNCIL. I THINK THAT IF YOU ARE ACHIEVING THE MINIMUM NECESSARY, THAT'S ONE THING. ALSO, IF YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF REORIENT THE PROGRAMING OF YOUR HOUSE AND PUT THAT EGRESS INTERNAL TO THE SITE, IF THAT STAIRWAY IS INTERNAL, MEANING IT'S IN YOUR BUILDING ENVELOPE AND DOES NOT EXACERBATE OR, YOU KNOW, INCREASE THE DEGREE OF NONCONFORMITY OF THAT STRUCTURE. I THINK THAT THAT'S THAT'S FINE. WE WOULD ALLOW THAT AS WELL. THOSE ARE THAT'S JUST SOMETHING WE WANTED YOU TO CONSIDER IS IT'S NOT QUITE AS SIMPLE AS JUST LIFTING IT STRAIGHT UP WITH NO IMPROVEMENTS. AND TO LIFT THE FOOTPRINT STRAIGHT UP IN THE AIR. THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE OVER HERE. THAT'S WHAT WE HAD IN RIVER PARK. BUT SOMETIMES YOU'VE SEEN REQUESTS WHERE THAT'S A PORTION OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, AND THEN THEY ALSO WANT TO ADD ON AND BUILD AROUND THAT PORTION OF THE STRUCTURE. I THINK IF THERE IS ANY EXPANSION OF THAT NON, THE NONCONFORMING PORTION OF THAT STRUCTURE THAT NEEDS TO COME TO CITY COUNCIL. I THINK AN EXISTING FOOTPRINT, YOU LIFT THAT BUILDING STRAIGHT UP IN THE AIR AND HAVE A MINIMUM NECESSARY TO ACHIEVE CODE COMPLIANT EGRESS. THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER ADMINISTRATIVELY. BUT ANYTHING BEYOND THAT, I THINK, SHOULD COME TO CITY COUNCIL. I WOULDN'T FEEL COMFORTABLE AT THE STAFF LEVEL DETERMINING WHAT IS AN APPROPRIATE DEGREE OF EXPANSION. SO I WANT TO FOLLOW YOU BECAUSE YOU SAID. YOU DON'T WANT AN EXPANSION OF THE NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE. THAT MEANS THE EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY BUILD INTO AREAS WHERE THE FOOTPRINT WOULD ALLOW FOR SOME ADDITIONS, WE STILL DON'T WANT TO DO. THAT'S SOMETHING I'D [05:05:05] LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH YOU. I THINK THERE IS A MERIT. WHAT YOU SEE IS PEOPLE COME IN FRONT OF YOU AND THEY SAY, THIS IS A YOU KNOW, I WANT TO MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF THIS HISTORIC PROPERTY, BUT ACTUALLY, I'M GOING TO BUILD AN ENTIRELY NEW STRUCTURE ALL THE WAY AROUND IT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING COUNCIL AT THAT POINT. ARE YOU JUST TRYING TO MAINTAIN A LARGER BUILDING AREA THAN YOU WOULD OTHERWISE BE ALLOWED TO, IF YOU DEMOLISHED AND BUILT A NEW HOME? I THINK THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THIS HOUSE OVER HERE THAT WAS TOO SMALL STRUCTURES, HISTORIC STRUCTURES. THEY WANTED TO MAINTAIN THE EXACT, YOU KNOW, CHARACTER OF THAT PROPERTY. LIFT THEM UP TO MAKE THEM FLOOD RESISTANT. I THINK IF THE GOAL HERE IS FLOOD IS RESILIENCY. THAT'S ONE THING. I THINK IF IT'S TRYING TO MAINTAIN ADDITIONAL SQUARE FOOTAGE, AND I'M ASSUMING THIS ISN'T A BIG COMPLICATION, BUT PART OF THE PACKAGE WOULD ALSO BE ELEVATING THE PANEL BOX, THE POWER AND THE AC THAT WE WILL BE DISCUSSING THAT WITH YOU HERE IN A MINUTE, TOO. YEAH, THAT IS ANOTHER ISSUE IS, IS YOU ARE THEN ELEVATING YOUR MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT. OKAY. YEP. WHAT'S YOUR PRIMER? WAS YOUR QUESTION IF THEY WANTED TO AND COULD EXPAND. YEAH. SHE WAS CLEAR THAT IF IT'S ADDING ON, EVEN IF IT'S WITHIN THE FOOT, WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT, THAT IT SHOULD COME BACK TO US. I UNDERSTOOD THAT CORRECTLY. RIGHT? I THINK SO, YES. YEAH. WELL, IT'S A IT'S UP FOR YOU TO DISCUSS. I'M NOT TRYING TO DISSUADE YOU EITHER WAY. I THINK THAT THE FIRST STEP, THE EASIEST, IS JUST LIFTING THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT AT THE ADMINISTRATIVE LEVEL. IT'S REALLY YOUR COMFORT LEVEL WITH, YOU KNOW, BEYOND THAT, HOW DO YOU FEEL? I THINK IF THEY FOR SURE, IF THEY ARE EXPANDING THE NONCONFORMING PORTION THAT SHOULD COME TO CITY COUNCIL. SURE. THAT YEAH, 100%. BUT BUT THERE IS WIGGLE ROOM THAT IF THEY'RE NOT, IF, YOU KNOW, IF THEY HAVE LIKE WE DID YEARS AGO, TINY LITTLE HOUSE AND WE KEPT TINY LITTLE HOUSE AND ADDED THIS AND IT WASN'T ANY THERE'S NO NONCONFORMITY WITH THE PART THAT WE ADDED THEN THAT'S UP FOR DEBATE IF IT WOULD COME TO US OR NOT. IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. BECAUSE AND TO BE CLEAR, THE REASON I SAY THAT IS BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE HEARD TIME AND AGAIN FROM THE PETITIONERS IS THAT THE GOAL IS TO MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER, THE HISTORIC CHARACTER, BUT YET ACHIEVE RESILIENCY. NOW, IF YOU'RE LIFTING 1000FT■!S UP IN THE AIR, BUT BUILDING 4000FT■!S OF BRAND NEW HOME IN ALL DIRECTIONS AROUND IT, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU'RE ACHIEVING THAT SAME OBJECTIVE. OKAY. BLANKENSHIP. THANK YOU. IN GENERAL, I'M SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO AND TRYING TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS. I WONDER, LOOKING AT SLIDE, I THINK IT'S FOR THE ONE THAT WAS DONE RECENTLY. YEAH, I WASN'T HERE FOR THE DISCUSSION, BUT WAS THERE. DISCUSSION AND ACCEPTANCE OF THIS STYLE THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE THIS HOUSE ON STILTS TYPE STYLE? SO I JUST WONDER IF THAT'S CHANGING THE LOOK AND CHARACTER OF THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD. IF YOU GO FROM LITTLE COTTAGES TO NOW HOUSES ON STILTS. SO THIS ONE DID COME TO CITY COUNCIL. SO WE THE PLANS WERE REVIEWED BY CITY COUNCIL. I THINK THAT'S IT'S A TOUGH CONVERSATION TO HAVE. OBVIOUSLY, WE WANT TO MAINTAIN, YOU KNOW, THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. HOWEVER, THOSE HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT 50 YEARS AGO ON GRADE ARE GOING TO FLOOD IN EVERY STORM. SO YOU ALMOST DON'T WANT TO PENALIZE SOMEONE TO SAY IN ORDER TO RETAIN YOUR CHARACTER, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO ACCEPT FLOODING EVERY NO, YOU KNOW, I GET THAT. I JUST WONDER IF LIKE THE OTHER ONE YOU SHOWED, THEY ACTUALLY HAD WALLED IN THE BOTTOM THERE. SO IT DOESN'T LOOK TO ME ANYWAY. I'M JUST ONE PERSON. IT DOESN'T LOOK THAT DIFFERENT VERSUS THE FIRST EXAMPLE THAT IT JUST LOOKS LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S SURROUNDED BY SINGLE STOREY HOUSES AND IT KIND OF STANDS OUT. I, I, YEAH, I TOTALLY AGREE. TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH A PARKING UNDERNEATH THE STRUCTURE ON THAT ONE. THEY HAD A SHORT DRIVEWAY. SO I THINK THAT WAS PART OF THAT. BUT I MEAN, I SUPPORT THE IDEA JUST, YOU KNOW, IF STAFF IS GOING TO MAKE THOSE DECISIONS ABOUT CHANGING THE LOOK OF A NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT'S MY QUESTION. IF THAT'S WHAT'S APPROPRIATE OR IF THERE SHOULD BE A PUBLIC HEARING WHERE THE PUBLIC GETS TO COME IN AND SAY, I LIKE THE DESIGN, I'M FINE WITH IT. IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD DO IT. OR THEY COME IN AND SAY, NO, I HATE IT. WE WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. YEAH, IT'S SO IN THE CITY. WE DON'T HAVE DESIGN REGULATIONS FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. SO SINGLE FAMILY MODIFICATIONS TO SINGLE FAMILY HOMES DON'T GO TO THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. AND THEY ALSO ARE OUR CODE. WHILE WE DO HAVE DESIGN STANDARDS FOR [05:10:04] MULTIFAMILY COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, WE DON'T FOR SINGLE FAMILY PROPERTIES. SO YOU'RE RIGHT, IT WOULD BE HARD FOR STAFF TO THAT. THERE'S NOT A METRIC FOR US TO DETERMINE WHETHER THIS IS MEETING ANY SORT OF DESIGN STANDARD, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT, IF I COULD. YEAH, YEAH, I WASN'T THERE. SO I DON'T KNOW THE WHOLE DEAL. THIS WAS DONE ON A GRANT AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY MONEY TO DO ANYTHING ELSE. AND SO I, MY, MY, MY NEIGHBOR MIGHT NOT LIKE WHAT WE DID. THAT'S TOO BAD. I DID WHAT I COULD DO WITHIN WHAT I COULD AFFORD. YEAH. I MEAN. WHICH I THINK THAT'S PART OF NOT HAVING DESIGN REVIEW FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES IS NOW I DO SO. SO THEN YOU'RE KIND OF STUCK. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING BECAUSE YOU HAVE NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THEY DO HAVE. AND I THINK, ERIC, YOU'VE COACHED ME UP ON THIS. THERE'S THERE'S NEIGHBORHOODS WHERE THERE IS. SUPPOSED TO BE COMPLIANT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY FOR YOUR PALATE, RIGHT? SOME PLAN DEVELOPMENTS HAVE DEED RESTRICTIONS, LIKE PORT ROYAL HAS A VERY STRICT SET OF DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT TALK TO ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS. YOU SEE THAT EVERY, YOU KNOW, IN SOME INSTANCES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. BUT IN GENERAL, WE DO NOT HAVE DESIGN REGULATIONS FOR SINGLE FAMILY. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU. I'M SORT OF FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROPERTY. WHO DID I HAVE NEXT? PENNIMAN AND THEN SCHULTZ. SO IF WE HAD LANGUAGE SIMPLE ENOUGH FOR OUTDOOR ACCESS ONLY, NO EXPANSION OF LIVING QUARTERS THAT WOULD THAT WOULD SATISFY YOU IF THERE WAS JUST THAT PARTICULAR THOSE TWO SMALL SENTENCES ON THERE AS PART OF THE ORDINANCE THAT WE ARE SIMPLY BRINGING THIS TO YOU, TO YOU TELL US WHAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH. YOU KNOW, KIND OF TURNING OVER TO THE STAFF LEVEL. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY WHAT, WHAT COUNCIL IS WANTS US TO DO. OKAY. SCHULTZ AND THEN DID YOU HAVE WAS MR. BECKMAN GOING TO SPEAK IF YOU HAD QUESTIONS? HE'S JUST HERE TO ANSWER. IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT IS THE MINIMUM NECESSARY FOR EGRESS. I MEAN, IT'S NOT A LOT. SO JUST KEEPING THAT IN MIND, IT'S ESSENTIALLY IT'S YOU CAN BE CODE COMPLIANT, WALK OUT OF YOUR HOUSE ONTO A SMALL LANDING TURN AND WALK DOWN THAT IS CODE COMPLIANT EGRESS FROM YOUR HOUSE. SO, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE WANTS TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO ADD A DECK OR A LARGER LANDING OR SOMETHING, THAT WOULD NOT BE THE MINIMUM NECESSARY TO ACHIEVE CODE COMPLIANCE AND STAFF WOULD NOT BE APPROVING THAT. SO THE FUNDING FOR THE GRANT CAME FROM THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION, I BELIEVE. AND THEN IN ESSENCE, THEY HAD BUILT IT TOO SHORT. BUT THEN AS THINGS WENT ON, IT GOT OVERBUILT BY A NUMBER OF FEET. SO I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S HOW THE FUNDING CAME ABOUT IT AND THAT IT'S ACTUALLY UP A LITTLE BIT HIGHER LEVEL NOW. YES, I'M GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC. OH, HAS THERE BEEN ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE ESTHETICS OF THIS HOUSE OR THE OTHER ONE BY THE NEIGHBORHOOD? WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED ANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT ANY OF THE HOUSES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED. THANK YOU. FIRST AND FOREMOST, I'M FINE WITH WHAT YOU'VE SUGGESTED, FRANKLY. AND IN YOUR OPINION, WITH WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED SO FAR WITH THE DIFFERENT ELEVATED HOMES HERE, HOW MANY OF THOSE WOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL AS OPPOSED TO HAVING TO COME BACK IN FRONT OF US? THIS ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN ADMINISTRATIVE. THEY DID JUST A SMALL CODE COMPLIANT MEANS OF EGRESS. THE ONE ON RIVER PARK WOULD NOT HAVE ONLY BY VIRTUE OF THE FACT THAT THAT LANDING IS LARGER THAN WHAT WOULD BE. AND THAT WAS A TOPIC OF DISCUSSION HERE. THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL WOULD HAVE. BUT THEN THROUGH THE DISCUSSION HERE AT CITY COUNCIL, THE THE DECK WAS EXPANDED, OKAY. SO THAT THEY DIDN'T GO WITH THE MINIMUM ON THAT ONE. THEY EXPANDED THE. THE UPPER LANDING AREA IS WHAT THEY. OKAY. BUT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE APPLICANT CAN CONSIDER. YEAH. THAT'S THE GIVE AND TAKE. BUT THEN THEY MIGHT HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF THE COUNCIL IN FRONT OF COUNCIL. OKAY. SO YEAH, I JUST WANT TO THROW IT OUT THERE. I THINK WHAT YOU'VE PROPOSED IS, IS WORKS FOR ME. AND WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE GOING TO END UP SEEING SOME OF THEM. IF PEOPLE WANT TO DO SOMETHING BEYOND WHAT THE MINIMAL IS GREAT AND WE CAN, WE CAN CHIME IN AS A COUNCIL, BUT IN MY OPINION, THAT'S GOING TO END UP ACHIEVING OUR GOAL AND OBJECTIVE, WHICH IS TO KEEP US FROM HAVING TO SEE AND, AND OPINE ON EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE, WHICH IS NOT SOMETHING WE NEED TO BE DOING. WE HOPE THERE'S MORE THAN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. YEAH, RIGHT. I'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. KATHY. GOOD AFTERNOON. WELCOME. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBERS. I'M KATHY CURATOLO, CONSULTING LEGISLATIVE LIAISON FOR THE COLLIER BUILDING INDUSTRY ASSOCIATION. CBIA. BEFORE I BEGIN, I WOULD LIKE TO I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE SINCE THE ELECTIONS. I'D LIKE TO CONGRATULATE NEWLY ELECTED AND REELECTED MEMBERS GOING TO BE SPEAKING ABOUT THE ISSUE AT HAND, AND CBIA APPRECIATES THE CITY TAKING A PROACTIVE APPROACH IN ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE. WE BELIEVE AS MANY PROFESSIONALS, THAT ELEVATING [05:15:07] STRUCTURES IN PLACE IS ONE OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAYS TO PROTECT EXISTING HOUSING WHILE PRESERVING NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER. WE SUPPORT THIS DIRECTION. HOWEVER, WE'D LIKE TO JUST MENTION ENSURING THE ADMINISTRATIVE PATHWAY IS THAT IT IS CLEARLY DEFINED AND EASY TO APPLY FOR THOSE CLIENTS AND HOMEOWNERS WHO WISH TO MAKE THESE CHANGES. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, DID YOU SEE ANYTHING THAT WASN'T CLEAR IN WHAT WAS PRESENTED? I WOULDN'T WANT TO STATE ANYTHING UNTIL I SAW EVERYTHING IN WRITING FINALIZED BY THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU, MAYOR HARTMAN. THANK YOU. OKAY. COUNCIL QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. GO FORTH. CREATE THE ORDINANCE. MEANS WHAT WE'LL DO IS WE'LL DRAFT SOME LANGUAGE. WE'LL TAKE THAT TO THE. THIS IS IN YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. WE'LL TAKE THAT TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, AND THEN IT'LL COME BACK TO YOU FOR TWO READINGS OF THAT ORDINANCE. [6.C) Discussion of Dock Regulations Citywide.] OKAY? OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT WAS EASY. NOW WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM SIX C. YES, THIS IS A DISCUSSION MAYBE FAMILIAR TO MOST OF YOU. WE WERE HERE BEFORE YOU IN, I BELIEVE, OCTOBER WITH THE DISCUSSION ABOUT DOC REGULATIONS AT THAT TIME. WHAT WE BROUGHT TO YOU WAS A LARGE DISCUSSION. IT WAS VERY BROAD. IT WAS ABOUT ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT ISSUES WITH DOCS. IN ALMOST ALL OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. WE HAD A GOOD GENERAL DISCUSSION, BUT WHAT WE TOOK AWAY FROM THAT IS THAT IN ORDER TO MAKE THIS MORE MEANINGFUL MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO BREAK THIS DOWN INTO SMALLER PIECES. SO INSTEAD OF BRINGING YOU ISSUE LIKE 15 OR 16 DIFFERENT ISSUES ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY, WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD IN SMALLER PIECES. SO WHAT WE STARTED WITH IS WE HAVE BEFORE YOU TWO ISSUES TODAY. THE FIRST ONE WOULD BE YOU DRIVE. THE FIRST WOULD BE WE DISCUSSED WITH YOU MOVING THE REGULATIONS. THEY'RE CURRENTLY IN CHAPTER 56, WHICH IS YOUR SUPPLEMENTAL STANDARDS. THEY'RE IN CHAPTER 56, BUT THEY'RE IN THE SECTION THAT IS APPLICABLE TO RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS. WE WOULD PROPOSE TO MOVE ALL OF THE DOC STANDARDS, EVEN IF WE LEFT THEM EXACTLY AS THEY ARE. WE PROPOSED TO MOVE THAT WHOLE SECTION INTO CHAPTER 52, WHICH IS THE WATER RESOURCES SECTION OF YOUR CODE. THAT'S WHERE THE SEAWALL REGULATIONS, SEAWALL AND REVETMENT REGULATIONS ARE. THAT'S WHERE DREDGING AND FILLING REGULATIONS ARE. SO TO ME, IT MAKES A NATURAL SENSE TO HAVE ALL OF YOUR WATER RESOURCES REGULATIONS IN THE SAME LOCATION. THAT WOULD ALSO TAKE IT OUT OF THE SECTION THAT IS ONLY APPLICABLE TO RESIDENTIAL, BECAUSE, AS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE PORTIONS OF YOUR CITY THAT ARE WATERFRONT IN COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS. SO THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST CHANGE THAT WE ARE PROPOSING TODAY IS JUST SIMPLY RELOCATING THAT SECTION. YOU HAVE A RESERVED SECTION AT THE END OF CHAPTER 52. WE WOULD JUST TAKE ONE OF THOSE NUMBERS. YEAH. THANK YOU. AND ASSIGN IT TO THE PIER, THE DOCKS AND PIER SECTION EXACTLY AS IT READS TODAY. SO THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST, THE FIRST CHANGE THAT WE WOULD MAKE. LIKE YOU SEE HERE, WE HAVE 52 DASH 97 THROUGH 50 2-1 20 ARE RESERVED. WE WOULD JUST TAKE 52 DASH 97 AND ASSIGN THAT TO THE THE PIERS AND BOATLIFT SECTION OF THE CODE. SO THAT'S A FIRST EASY CHANGE. THEN THE SECOND ELEMENT THAT WE UNLESS MAYOR WOULD YOU LIKE TO DISCUSS THESE INDIVIDUALLY OR DO YOU WANT ME TO JUST MOVE FORWARD AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A BROADER DISCUSSION AT THE END. YOU GOT IT. SO THE NEXT CHANGE IS RELATED TO AQUALINE SHORES. THIS IS THIS IS THE ISSUE THAT REALLY KICKED OFF THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION. IF YOU RECALL, I THINK AT LEAST TWO TIMES, MULTIPLE TIMES, YOU WERE APPROACHED BY A MARINE CONTRACTOR WHO BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE IN THE AQUALINE SHORES NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT THERE ARE NO REGULATIONS IN THAT DISTRICT FOR DOCKS THAT ARE ON NAPLES BAY. SO YOU HAVE THE THREE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT YOU HAVE WITH PROPERTIES THAT FACE NAPLES BAY, PORT ROYAL ROYAL HARBOR AND AQUALINE SHORES, BOTH PORT ROYAL AND ROYAL HARBOR BOTH HAVE REGULATIONS SPECIFIC TO THE PROPERTIES THAT FACE NAPLES BAY. THEY HAVE REGULATIONS FOR THE DOCKS ON INTERNAL CANALS, AND THEN THEY HAVE A SEPARATE SET OF REGULATIONS FOR THE DOCKS THAT FACE NAPLES BAY. THERE ARE VERY DIFFERENT CONDITIONS FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE ON THE BAY IN THE NATURAL WATER BODY, SO [05:20:04] THOSE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS DISCUSS IT. AQUILINE DOES NOT. SO AQUILINE SHORES LIMITS DOCKS TO EITHER 15FT IF IT'S JUST A DOCK. AND WHEN I'M TALKING ABOUT PROJECTIONS. SO SURE, NORMAL PROJECTION OFF OF THE PROPERTY LINE OR THE WEST SIDE OF THE SEAWALL OR MEAN HIGH WATER, THOSE ARE ALL CONSTRUED TO BE THE SAME. SO PROJECTION WISE, IT'S EITHER LIMITED TO 15FT FOR A DOCK OR 25FT FOR A DOCK AND BOATLIFT COMBINED. THAT'S AN INTERESTING WAY OF WORDING THAT, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T REALLY SPECIFY WHETHER THAT IS 15FT FOR THE DOCK AND THEN THE BOATLIFT ON THE OUTSIDE, IT DOESN'T SPECIFY THAT AT ALL. SO BECAUSE IT DOESN'T AND IT'S NEVER BEEN ENFORCED IN ANY CONSISTENT MANNER, WE WOULD JUST PROPOSE CLARIFYING THAT IT'S IN ANY CONFIGURATION THAT'S 25FT FOR A DOCK AND BOATLIFT. WHETHER YOUR BOATLIFT IS ON THE SIDE OF YOUR DOCK, THE END OF YOUR DOCK, THE INSIDE OF YOUR DOCK, HOWEVER, AND THEN WE HAVE EXAMPLES HERE OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE ON NAPLES BAY IN THE SHORES NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU CAN SEE DOCKS, THE REVIEW OF DOCKS BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS ACTUALLY A NEW A NEW THING. FOR THE LONGEST TIME, THE DOCKS WERE REVIEWED BY THE NATURAL RESOURCES MANAGER, NOT THE NATURAL RESOURCES MANAGER WE HAVE TODAY. BUT PAST STAFF REVIEWED THESE DOCKS. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, MOST IF NOT ALL OF THE DOCKS BUILT PRIOR TO PROBABLY THE LAST 7 OR 8 YEARS ON NAPLES BAY, DO NOT CONFORM TO THE REGULATIONS THAT ARE IN YOUR CODE. THEY EXCEED THE 25FT. THERE'S A REASON FOR THAT. IT'S BECAUSE REALLY, A DOCK THAT YOU WOULD PUT ON AN INTERIOR CANAL PROBABLY IS NOT GOING TO HOLD UP VERY WELL. ON NAPLES BAY, WE HAVE A LOT OF MEMBERS OF THE MARINE INDUSTRY HERE THAT CAN GIVE YOU A LOT MORE REASONING FOR THAT THAN I CAN. WE DID AS WE WERE ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE. WE DID. WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS WITH MEMBERS OF THE MARINE CONTRACTING COMMUNITY. WE THEY TOLD US THE ISSUES. THEY TOLD US, YOU KNOW WHY IT'S SUCH A CHALLENGE FOR THEM TO COMPLY WITH THIS STANDARD IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD. WE'VE ASKED THEM TO BE HERE TODAY SO YOU CAN HEAR IT FROM THEM AND NOT US. THEY ARE THE EXPERTS. BUT WHERE WE RUN INTO TROUBLE WITH THIS IS BECAUSE ALL OF THESE DOCKS, NONE OF THEM COMPLY WITH THE REGULATIONS. WHEN SOMEONE GOES TO REPLACE A DOCK, WE HAVE TO SAY, NO, YOU CAN'T REPLACE THAT DOCK. YOU HAVE TO TEAR THAT DOWN AND REPLACE IT WITH A DOCK THAT IS SUBSTANTIALLY LESS AND MIGHT NOT ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. SO FROM AN ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT, IT'S VERY TRICKY ON OUR END. FROM A CONSTRUCTION STANDPOINT, IT'S VERY TRICKY ON THEIR END. AND THEY CAN GIVE YOU, YOU MIGHT ASK SOMEONE TO COME UP HERE AND EXPLAIN TO YOU THE, YOU KNOW, THE WAVES ON THE BAY AND ALL THE THINGS, THE OTHER THING THAT WE RUN INTO THAT, THAT WE ARE TRYING TO PREVENT IS THIS IS YOUR NATURAL WATER BODY. SO BOATS HAVE TO ACHIEVE A CERTAIN DEPTH. YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GOING TO, IF YOU'RE MORE BOAT ON THE DOCK, REACH A CERTAIN DEPTH. WELL, THAT'S A LOT DIFFERENT HERE. THESE ARE NOT DREDGED CANALS. THIS IS YOUR NATURAL WATER BODY. WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO ENCOURAGE IS DREDGING OF YOUR NATURAL WATER BODY. WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE DREDGING NAPLES BAY IN ORDER TO ACHIEVE THE DEPTH THAT THEY NEED FOR THEIR BOATS. FROM A NATURAL RESOURCES STANDPOINT, THAT'S THAT'S THE THE LAST THING WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE. AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE WAY THE REGULATIONS ARE TODAY, IT DOES ENCOURAGE THAT. IT ALMOST REQUIRES THAT. SO LOTS OF LOTS OF EXPERTS BEYOND ME HERE TODAY THAT CAN DISCUSS THAT. WE HAVE KATIE AND NATALIE FROM THE NATURAL RESOURCES DEPARTMENT THAT CAN TALK ABOUT SUBMERGED RESOURCES. AND THEN LIKE I SAID, WE HAVE MULTIPLE MEMBERS OF THE MARINE CONTRACTING INDUSTRY THAT CAN TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE CHALLENGES THAT THEY FACE WITH THE DOCKS, BUT WE'RE NOT PROPOSING LANGUAGE TO YOU TODAY. WE DID PROVIDE IN THIS PRESENTATION EXAMPLES OF HOW BOTH ROYAL HARBOR AND PORT ROYAL ADDRESS THESE PROPERTIES. PORT ROYAL IMMEDIATELY TO THEIR SOUTH, SAME WATER BODY, SAME, YOU KNOW, CONDITIONS THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. SO I GUESS WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR COUNCIL TODAY IS TO HAVE A DISCUSSION. IF YOU AGREE THAT THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED, WE CAN AGAIN COME BACK TO YOU WITH SPECIFIC LANGUAGE ON HOW TO ADDRESS THAT. IF YOU LOOK AT THE REGULATIONS ON ROYAL HARBOR OR IN PORT ROYAL AND THINK ONE OF THEM APPLIES MORE THAN THE OTHER, THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT. THEY'RE WORDED VERY DIFFERENTLY. WE CAN WE CAN USE THOSE AS A MODEL. OR IF YOU THINK THERE'S A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT APPROACH, WE'RE OPEN TO THAT AS WELL. BUT WE JUST WERE WANTING TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION AND SEE IF THERE WAS A CONSENSUS THAT THIS WAS AN ISSUE YOU'D LIKE TO TO ADDRESS. OKAY. JUST CLARIFICATION BECAUSE I WANT TO GO STRAIGHT TO PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'RE NARROWING IT DOWN TO ONLY LOOK AT ONE NEIGHBORHOOD TODAY. WE'RE ONLY BRINGING, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE GOING TO BRING THIS TO YOU IN INSTALLMENTS. WE'LL BE BACK IN FRONT OF YOU WITH MORE DOCK ISSUES, MORE [05:25:02] NEIGHBORHOODS. BUT TODAY WE THOUGHT IT'D BE BENEFICIAL JUST BECAUSE IT'S A LOT TO TAKE IN, JUST TO TALK ABOUT MOVING THE REGULATIONS INTO CHAPTER 52, AND THEN JUST LOOKING AT THE AQUILINE SHORES. AND IT'S JUST THE TWO CHANGES IN ALKALINE, ONE WOULD BE THAT REALLY SMALL CLARIFICATION IN THE LANGUAGE RIGHT THERE. AND THEN THE NEXT WOULD BE CREATING REGULATIONS SPECIFIC TO THE PROPERTIES ON NAPLES BAY. ONLY TO AQUILEIAN SHORES. OKAY, SO PORT ROYAL'S REGULATIONS, YOU CAN SEE THEM HERE. THEY SAY THAT ESSENTIALLY, IF YOU IN ORDER TO THERE THEY LIMIT DOCKS TO 25FT PROJECTION. BUT IF YOU WANT TO EXCEED THE 25FT FOR PROPERTIES ON NAPLES BAY, AS YOU EXCEED THE 25FT, YOU. TO MEET YOUR REACH A MAXIMUM DEPTH OF FIVE FEET MEAN LOW WATER, THEN. AND THAT'S THE REFERENCE OF FLORIDA CODE THERE. AS YOU EXTEND OUT, YOU HAVE TO BRING THE DOCK IN. SO THERE IT'S SPECIFIC. IN ROYAL HARBOR, YOU CAN'T JUST PUT A 100 FOOT DOCK RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF YOUR PROPERTY. AS YOU EXTEND THAT LENGTH, YOU MOVE IN TOWARDS THE CENTER. IS THAT THE CONE OF INFLUENCE? NOPE. THAT IS SO IT'S RIGHT HERE. SO FOR EVERY ONE FOOT BEYOND THE 25 FOOT LIMIT THAT THE PIER EXTENDS, THE SIDE YARD SETBACK WILL INCREASE BY TWO FEET. SO AS YOUR DOCK GETS LONGER, IT MOVES IN TOWARDS THE CENTER OF YOUR PROPERTY. SO THAT YOU'RE NOT STICKING YOUR NEIGHBOR WITH THAT ISSUE. I HAVE A QUESTION FROM KRAMER. OKAY, THIS SPECIFIC LANGUAGE DEALS WITH THOSE TWO AREAS, BUT WEREN'T WE GOING TO TRY TO WE'VE GOT ISSUES ALL OVER THE CITY, DON'T WE? WE HAVE. AND SO YEAH, WE'LL BRING TO YOU IN THE VERY END ADDITIONAL ISSUES THAT WE WILL BE BRINGING BEFORE YOU IN SUBSEQUENT MEETINGS. BUT YES, AND WE TOUCHED ON ALL OF THESE IN OUR FIRST PRESENTATION TO YOU. AND WE WILL BE ADDRESSING THOSE. THERE ARE THERE ARE ISSUES ALL OVER. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT. BUT YES, WE WILL BE IN FRONT OF YOU. THE ONLY ONES WE WERE SPECIFICALLY LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS TODAY SO THAT WE COULD DRAFT LANGUAGE WERE RELOCATING INTO 52 AND AQUILINA SHORES AQUALINE SHORES IS IS A PRESSING ONE FOR US BECAUSE AS WE MENTIONED FROM AN ENFORCEMENT STANDPOINT, WE HAVE AGING DOCKS THAT PEOPLE ARE, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO REPLACE. WELL, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S APPROPRIATE, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT AND GIVE YOU THE THUMBS UP ON THAT, IF YOU WANT TO GET THAT PART DONE BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO TALK ABOUT DOCKS IN GENERAL, THE AQUALINK, YOU KNOW, THE TWO LANES IN ROYAL HARBOR, IS THAT THE TWO WAY WE WERE USING THE ROYAL, WE WERE PROVIDING THE TWO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE SPECIFIC REGULATIONS FOR DOCKS ON NAPLES BAY ARE ROYAL HARBOR AND PORT ROYAL. THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT REGULATIONS, BUT WE WERE JUST PROVIDING THOSE AS AS AN EXAMPLE, THAT WE COULD MODEL LANGUAGE AFTER IF WE WERE TO CREATE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE FOR ALKALINE SHORES. PORT ROYAL'S IS MUCH MORE SPECIFIC. OKAY, SO JUST BECAUSE WE'RE DEALING WITH TODAY, THAT'S THE ONLY ONE WE WERE PROPOSING TO, WELL, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO DEAL WITH THE SHOALS THAT ARE I MEAN, GOING TO CROSS OVER A SHOAL OR HOW ARE THEY GOING TO NAVIGATE INTO THIS AREA? BECAUSE I'M SORRY FOR NEW DOCKS FOR NEW DOCKS IN AUCKLAND. SO WE DO HAVE. I PROBABLY DIDN'T INCLUDE THE GENERAL STANDARDS. YOUR YOUR CODE DOES HAVE GENERAL STANDARDS THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO ALL DOCKS IN IN CHAPTER 56. SO 56 DASH 93 THE GENERAL STANDARDS WILL ALWAYS APPLY TO ALL DOCKS AND YOUR GENERAL STANDARDS ESSENTIALLY LIMIT YOU. NOT THAT THIS WOULD BE A BIG LIMITATION HERE TO 25% OF THE WIDTH OF THE WATERWAY. AND THAT YOU CANNOT IMPEDE NAVIGATION. SO ESSENTIALLY, IF AND I DON'T THINK THE CHANNEL IS GOING TO BECOME AN ISSUE IN HERE, BUT WE WOULDN'T ALLOW YOU TO PUT A DOCK THAT WENT RIGHT OUT INTO THE MIDDLE OF. EVEN IF YOU WERE TRYING TO GET THAT -FIVE FEET, WE WOULDN'T ALLOW YOU TO PUT A DOCK RIGHT OUT INTO THE CHANNEL. SO THERE ARE PROTECTIONS IN YOUR GENERAL STANDARDS WHICH WILL STILL APPLY. PROTECTING NAVIGATION. OKAY. AND THEN CARL. SO IN GENERAL, ARE WE ARE WE HAPPY WITH THE LANGUAGE THAT PORT ROYAL CURRENTLY HAS FOR DOCKS ON THE BAY? WELL, I WOULD ASK I WOULD REQUEST INPUT FROM THE MARINE INDUSTRY BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES INSTALLING THESE DOCKS AND DOING THOSE SURVEYS. SO WELL. THE ONLY REASON I, I, I'M HAPPY WITH THAT IN PORT ROYAL. I HAVEN'T TRIED TO APPLY THAT. I GUESS MY POINT IS WE HAVEN'T TRIED TO APPLY THOSE STANDARDS TO AQUALINE. SO I CAN'T TELL YOU WHETHER IT WORKS OR DOESN'T WORK. OKAY. BECAUSE I WAS JUST THINKING, YOU KNOW, PURELY FROM A LOGICAL STANDPOINT, THAT THAT'S CONTIGUOUS PORT ROYAL TO OFFLINE AND TO HAVE CONFORMITY ON HOW IT'S DONE ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE BAY WOULD MAKE [05:30:05] SENSE TO ME. BUT AGAIN, IF THESE GUYS HAVE HAVE THEY, I KNOW THEY'RE GONNA HAVE MORE INSIGHT THAN WHAT I BRING TO THE TABLE. BUT YOU KNOW, IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. BUT I WAS PURELY FROM A SIMPLICITY STANDPOINT, I WAS THINKING TO MYSELF, WELL, GEE, IF IT'S WORKING FOR PORT ROYAL, THEN WHY DON'T WE JUST DO IT HERE AS WELL? BUT AGAIN, WE CAN LISTEN. I WOULD AGREE, BUT HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT AREA INTRUDES INTO THE CHANNEL OR HOW FAR IT WOULD. BECAUSE THERE NOT. I MEAN, AREN'T THE DOCKS LONGER IN PORT ROYAL? YEAH. SO IN PORT ROYAL, YES. YOU HAVE LONGER DOCKS BECAUSE HOW LONG ARE THE DOCKS IN PORT ROYAL? THERE'S NOT A NUMERICAL LIMITATION. IT'S SO THE PORT ROYAL, IT'S THE MINIMUM NECESSARY OR. YEAH, NECESSARY TO, TO REACH A MAXIMUM DEPTH OF FIVE FEET MEAN LOW WATER. SO IT COULD BE ANYWHERE 40FT. THAT MIGHT BE 80FT. BUT AS YOU GO BEYOND 25FT, YOU'RE FORCED TO BRING IT TO THE CENTER TOWARDS THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY LINE IN PORT ROYAL. YES. IN PORT ROYAL, THAT NUMBER ONE, FOR EVERY ONE FOOT BEYOND THE 25FT, THE SIDE YARD SETBACK INCREASES. I LIVE IN OYSTER BAY, AND ON MY SURVEY, MY PROPERTY LINE GOES HALFWAY INTO THE CANAL. SO WHAT'S DIFFERENT HERE IS THAT'S NOT THE CASE. SO IT'S REALLY IT'S THE DOCK IS BUILT ON STATE LAND, RIGHT? SO SUBMERGED LAND LEASE. DOES THIS HAPPEN TO ME IN VANDERBILT BAY? I OWNED A DOCK THERE AND FOR YEARS NO ONE REALIZED IT. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE STATE CAME IN AND SAID, OH, YOUR DOCKS ARE PARTIALLY ON, ON OUR ON OUR LAND. SO WE HAD TO SET UP A SUBMERGED LAND LEASE. AND I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE BECAUSE WE, THE PROPERTY OWNER DOESN'T OWN THE LAND THAT THESE DOCKS ON. SO THESE DOCKS AND THEY CAN ADDRESS THIS BETTER THAN I CAN THESE DOCKS. AND I'LL JUST USE PORT ROYAL, FOR EXAMPLE. THESE DOCKS ARE ALL IN A NATURAL WATER BODY. THEY'RE ON NAPLES BAY. THEY REQUIRE DEP PERMITTING FOR ALL OF THOSE DOCKS. SO A DOCK, IF YOU'RE PUTTING A DOCK ON AN INTERNAL CANAL, THAT'S NOT GOING TO REQUIRE DEP PERMITTING. BUT THESE, THESE DOCKS, THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH STATE PERMITTING FOR THE FOR THE STOCK. DOES ANYBODY PAYING SUBMERGED LAND LEASES RIGHT NOW ON THE BANK. DO YOU KNOW. NOT TO ME. I DON'T THINK THEY'LL ANSWER. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST. HERE OR THERE. OH HOW ARE YOU DOING? I LIVE AT 1555. ZORA AND ME AND SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS THERE. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT COQUINA SANDS, BUT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT A PROJECT ACROSS THE WATER FROM US WHERE THEY HAVE DOCKS THAT ARE GOING OUT AS FAR AS 40FT. AND THEN THERE'S A RENDERING HERE OF IF I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE IT, BUT IT'S ALMOST LIKE THERE'S ALSO A LANDING FOR A KAYAK. IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY'RE EXTENDING IN THE BACKYARD OUT INTO THE WATERWAY. AND WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS, IT NARROWS THE WATERWAY NARROWS THINLY. SO ME AND ALL THE NEIGHBORS, WE MET WITH THE COQUINA NEIGHBORHOOD, COQUINA SANDS NEIGHBORHOOD GROUP. SHE JUST HAPPENED TO BE OUT OF TOWN RIGHT NOW. SO SHE ASKED THAT WE COME IN AND TALK TO YOU GUYS. SO WE'RE JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THAT DEVELOPMENT. I THINK BORELLI IS DOING THE DEVELOPMENT. I'M NOT SURE WHO THE DEVELOPER IS, BUT WE'RE JUST CONCERNED OVER AND THEY'RE MARKETING THE PROPERTY RIGHT NOW. SO WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE SEEKING FOR AN ADMINISTRATIVE ADJUSTMENT FOR FOR THESE DOCS OR THEY'VE BEEN APPROVED YET OR NOT. WE DON'T KNOW. AND WE'RE LOOKING TO GET INFORMATION FROM PEOPLE. AND WE WERE NOT REALLY GETTING ANY INFORMATION FROM ANYBODY AS TO WHAT'S GOING ON. AND WE JUST HAVE QUITE A FEW CONCERNS OVER THE LENGTH OF THE DOCK WHERE THE CHANNEL NARROWS, LIKE IF IT'S A BAY OR SOMETHING, LIKE WE DON'T REALLY CARE. LIKE IF THERE'S A LOT OF WATERWAY, IT'S NOT GOING TO GET IN ANYBODY'S WAY. BUT IF IT NARROWS WHERE WE'RE AT KIND OF NARROWS DOWN, IT'S GOING TO BE A PROBLEM TO GO UP 40FT. AND THEN IF YOU ALLOW SOMEONE TO GO 40FT, DO YOU LET THEM HAVE A LIFT? LIKE THOSE ARE ALL THINGS. LIKE WE WANTED SOME CLARITY ON BEFORE ANYTHING WAS APPROVED. IN THIS DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE ALL FOR THE DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE JUST CONCERNED ABOUT THE WATERWAY. AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. ALL RIGHT. AND AGOSTINO. GEORGE. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON, GEORGE D'AGOSTINO. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. I'M RIGHT ACROSS FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE HARBOR HOUSE AND [05:35:07] THAT PART OF THE HARBOR IS THE VERY, VERY THINNEST OF ALL. AND IF THEY GO 40FT OUT, IT'S GOING TO HARDLY BE A CANAL GOING THROUGH. IT'S GOING TO BE A LAGOON. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE WHAT IT'S BEEN. AND I'M 83 YEARS OLD AND MY HOME IS GOING TO MY CHILDREN, MY GRANDCHILDREN, AND THIS IS GOING TO DEVALUATE IT. I MEAN, I'M TALKING IN LIKE THE FIVE FIGURE AREA. IF YOU ALLOW THEM TO GO A WHOLE 40 FOOT OUT AND THEN THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT A, A PLATFORM FOR KAYAKS AND THEY'RE NOT GOING TO KEEP THEM OUT THERE. THEY'RE GOING TO KEEP THEM AT THEIR HOUSE. IT'S KIND OF SILLY. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CARRY THEIR KAYAKS BACK FROM THEIR HOUSE AND BRING THEM TO THE EDITOR. AND THAT COMES ALL THE WAY OUT THAT DOCK. AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING IN THE WATER TO RAISE THE HEIGHT OF THE TIDE THERE, BECAUSE I SPENT ALL I HAD TO SAVE MY HOUSE FROM. IAN AND I HAD FOUR FEET OF WATER AND. WHEN THAT ALL HAPPENED FROM THE TOWN, THEY WERE TOTALLY COOPERATIVE, COURTEOUS AND COMPETENT. AND I'M JUST ASKING YOU FOR THAT SAME CONSIDERATION. BUT IT'D BE A REAL PROBLEM TO ALLOW THEM TO GO ALL THE WAY OUT WITH THOSE DOCKS AND THE DOCK THAT I HAVE IS KIND OF THIS WAY ALONG THE BULKHEAD INSTEAD OF GOING OUT INTO IT. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS. JIM CALVIN. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON, AND THANK YOU. MY NAME IS JIM CALVIN. I'M MARINE CONTRACTOR HERE IN TOWN. I'D LIKE TO THANK ERIKA AND STAFF FOR BRINGING THIS ISSUE FORWARD. IT CERTAINLY IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WILLING TO HELP ANY WAY WE CAN. SPECIFICALLY SPEAKING TO PORT ROYAL AND ROYAL HARBOR, I WAS KIND OF AN ACCIDENT. I WAS KIND OF HOPING JEFF ROGERS WOULD COME UP BEFORE I AM BECAUSE HE'S THE TECHIE HERE. BUT YEAH, BY ALL MEANS, WE COULD USE SOME CLARIFICATION ON WHAT WE CAN DO GOING FORWARD BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S HARD TO GO TRY TO DESIGN AND SELL A JOB TO A CLIENT. WHEREAS SIX, EIGHT WEEKS INTO IT AND MONEY HAS CHANGED HANDS, SIGNATURES HAVE CROSSED DESKS. AND THEN WE FIND OUT AFTER A NUMBER OF MONTHS THAT WE CAN'T BUILD WHAT WE SOLD. SO SOME CLARIFICATION GOING FORWARD WOULD BE AWESOME. AND WE'RE AT YOUR DISPOSAL. ERIKA, I THINK YOU KNOW THAT. I KNOW PORT ROYAL JUST CHANGED THEIR PROTRUSION LIMITS TO THE 25FT FROM 22FT. AND THAT NEIGHBORHOOD'S GOT A BUFFER. WE HAVE THE PORT ROYAL HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION THAT REVIEWS EVERYTHING BEFORE WE BRING IT TO YOU. SO I THINK MOST OF THAT STUFF IS SETTLED BEFORE YOU SEE IT. A COUPLE OF THEM THERE. I'LL I'LL SEE IF THAT PLAYS OUT ON THE ONES THAT ARE IN THE QUEUE NOW, BUT I REALLY DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THE FIGHT IN ROYAL HARBOR. I'LL LET JEFF AND ALEX SPEAK TO THAT. THAT'S THEIR DOMAIN AND WOULD REALLY LIKE TO BE MORE ENGAGED WHEN WE GET OVER TO GOLDEN SHORES AND OYSTER BAY. AND I KNOW THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF HURDLES THERE. AND WITH THE SEAWALL, WITH THE PROPERTY LINES COMING OUT INTO THE CANALS LIKE THAT, THERE'S AMBIGUITY AS TO WHAT YOU CAN BUILD AND WHAT YOU CAN'T AND WHAT I'D LIKE WHAT I'D LIKE TO BUILD. YEAH, THEY ARE THERE ARE NARROW CANALS AND WE JUST ALL HAVE TO BE PLAYING OFF THE SAME SHEET OF MUSIC. SO CALL OUR OFFICE ANYTIME YOU NEED TO. WE'RE HAPPY TO HELP AND I'LL LET JEFF SPEAK TO PORT ROYAL AND ALKALINE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. JEFF ROGERS. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. FOR THE RECORD, JEFF ROGERS WITH DARYL HALL AND ASSOCIATES HERE DISCUSSING DOCKS WITH YOU GUYS. WIDE RANGE OF ISSUES HERE WITH THE CODE. TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY OF NAPLES, STAFF HAS LISTENED TO US AND IS WILLING TO WORK WITH US. AND THEY HAVE BEEN GREAT, GREAT WITH THIS. WE DID PORT ROYAL, WE WORKED WITH PORT ROYAL AND STAFF ON THEIR ISSUES. THERE ARE MANY FACTORS THAT GO INTO THIS, YOU GUYS, AND THE BIGGEST ONE IS THE CODES THAT WE DO HAVE IN PLACE TODAY ARE ARE JUST DATED. THE FLEET OF BOATS THAT WE HAVE TODAY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN WHEN THIS CODE WAS WRITTEN. SO A LOT OF THIS IS PUSHING DOCKS TO GET BIGGER. AQUA LANE IS ITS OWN UNIQUE SITUATION BECAUSE THERE ARE NO RULES AND GUIDELINES FOR DOCKS ON NAPLES BAY'S. ERIC AND STAFF HAVE POINTED OUT TO YOU SO. AND THAT IS STATE LANDS. IT. [05:40:02] IT MATTERS BECAUSE DDP GETS INVOLVED. THINGS ARE A LOT MORE RESTRICTIVE. THERE ARE SUBMERGED LAND LEASE OPTIONS TO DO ON STATE LANDS. HOWEVER, WE ALWAYS TRY TO DESIGN DOCKS TO NOT REQUIRE THAT BECAUSE IT PUTS ANOTHER WHOLE NOTHER LEVEL OF ISSUES FOR THE HOMEOWNERS THAT TYPICALLY MOST SINGLE FAMILIES DON'T WANT TO GET INVOLVED IN. BUT THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF THEM ON NAPLES BAY THAT I'VE DONE OVER THE LAST 20 YEARS OF WORKING WITH TERRELL AND ROYAL HARBOR, NOT ON AQUA LANE, PORT ROYAL. YOU DON'T REALLY GET INTO SUBMERGED LAND LEASES BECAUSE THE CODE THERE IS SO RESTRICTIVE IN REGARDS TO THE OVERALL DOCK SIZE IN THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT AND PROTRUSION SQUARE FOOTAGE COMES INTO PLAY WITH SUBMERGED LAND LEASES. SO PORT ROYAL IS SO TIGHT ON THAT AND THE EXTENSION THAT YOU DON'T GET FORCED INTO A SUBMERGED LAND LEASE, TYPICALLY EVER AT ALL IN PORT ROYAL. REALLY, NONE, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, HAVE SUBMERGED LAND LEASES. SO BASICALLY, IN A NUTSHELL, THERE ARE UNIQUE SITUATIONS ON EACH. THE CODE WITHIN THE WHOLE CITY NEEDS TO BE UPDATED FOR DOCKS ALL THROUGHOUT. SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE KEEP THIS BALL ROLLING. THERE'S A LOT OF NEW DEVELOPMENTS GOING IN IN GULF SHORE AREA BOULEVARD NORTH THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE A LOT OF CLIENTS. SOME SPEAKERS HERE TODAY AGAINST ONE OF THE POTENTIAL PROJECTS WE HAVE GOING. SO IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE TRY TO LOOK AT THE CODE OVERALL THROUGHOUT ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND NOT JUST ISOLATE OURSELVES. TO AQUILINA, I KNOW STAFF'S DOING THAT AND WE'RE DOING ONE AT A TIME. WANT TO JUST KEEP THIS MOVING BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF DEVELOPMENT GOING ON. AND DOCKS ARE A HUGE ASSET TO THESE PROPERTIES, INTO THESE PROJECTS THAT ARE GOING IN, THAT ARE NEW. AND OVER THE NEXT TWO YEARS, THESE NEW PROJECTS WILL BE OPENING UP IN THE DOCKS ARE A BIG SELLING POINT AND TAX REVENUE FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES IN GENERAL WITH THESE SALES. SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. HAPPY TO HELP ANY WAY WE CAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ALEX GARLAND. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M ALEX GARLAND. I'M WITH GARLAND GARLAND MARINE CONSTRUCTION. SO ONE OF THE ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE KIND OF FACING IS. YOU'VE GOT CERTAIN AREAS, ESPECIALLY RESIDENTIAL AREAS WHERE ON THE BACK WATERS, YOU HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM TO BRING THE BOATS IN SHORE PARALLEL WHERE YOUR APPROACH IS ACROSS THE FRONT OF YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY, OUT IN FRONT OF THEIR DOCKS, AND YOU COME IN PARALLEL ON COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES IN PARK SHORE IN THE MORNINGS, NAPLES BAY PROPERTIES, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT LUXURY, SO YOU HAVE TO BRING THE BOAT STRAIGHT IN, WHICH MEANS IF YOU GO TO THE AQUA LANE RULES THAT ALLOW YOU TO GO AT 25 FOOT, YOU'RE RESTRICTED TO A BOAT UNDER 25 FOOT IF YOU BRING IT STRAIGHT IN. SO OUR THE OBJECTIVE IS WITH THE -FIVE FOOT MEAN LOW WATER AND THE PROTRUSION OUT IS TO ALLOW, YOU KNOW, BOATS THAT ARE NOT HUGE FOR THE AREA, BUT AT LEAST NORMAL FOR THE AREA. STAFF HAS DONE A WONDERFUL JOB. THEY HAVE EVALUATED ALL THIS, LOOKED AT EVERYTHING. I PERSONALLY DON'T KNOW IF THE PORT ROYAL RULES REFLECT AQUA LANE JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH OF EACH OTHER. PORT ROYAL HAS ALL RIP RAP. IT'S VERY SHALLOW OUT IN FRONT. THE DOCKS HAVE TO BE LONGER TO GET OUT TO THAT MINUS FIVE LANE HAS A LITTLE BIT DEEPER WATER. THEY HAVE SEAWALLS. I THINK THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE LOTS MORE RESEMBLE ROYAL ROYAL HARBOR INSTEAD OF PORT ROYAL. AND MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD BE IS IF WE ADOPTED THE PORT ROYAL RULES, WHERE THE FARTHER OUT YOU GO, IT STEPS IT INTO THE PROPERTY. WOULD THE EXISTING DOCKS STILL BE NON-CONFORMING OR WOULD THEY BE CONFORMING? SO I THINK THAT IN THE INTERPRETATION AND THE APPROVALS OF FORMER ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCE DIRECTORS, THEY LOOKED MORE TOWARDS WHAT WAS ON THE OTHER AREAS OF THE BAY. PORT ROYAL IS VERY RESTRICTIVE AS FAR AS THE NARROWING OF THE PROPERTY. AND REALLY THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE TO SAY. THE WATERWAYS IN PARK SHORE, BY THE WAY, ARE VERY, VERY WIDE. I BELIEVE THE PROJECT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, 40 FOOT, ONLY GETS YOU OUT ABOUT 15% OF THE WATER, 15% OF THE WIDTH OF THE WATERWAY. WHEREAS IN MOST AREAS WE'RE ALLOWED TO GO OUT 25%. SO THAT PROTRUSION OF 40 FOOT IS STILL WELL UNDER THE THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED BY THE CITY AND OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS. ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S THAT'S AN ISSUE FOR ANOTHER DAY. THAT'S PARK SHORE [05:45:03] IN THE MORNINGS. BUT I APPLAUD THE CITY STAFF FOR DOING WHAT THEY'RE DOING. THEY'VE BEEN DOING A WONDERFUL JOB AT LOOKING AT THE WHOLE BIG PICTURE AND TRYING TO DO WHAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. DID ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS? I HAVE FOR MR. GARLAND, IF I MAY. SURE, ALEX. SO THE I'LL SCRATCH WHAT I SAID EARLIER. I SAID, THAT'S WHY WE NEED SOMEONE SMARTER THAN ME TO COME UP AND TALK ABOUT THIS. I WOULDN'T GO THAT FAR, BUT WE'LL ROLL IT. WHY NOT? I'M JUST GOING TO. I'M JUST GOING TO CHANGE MY MY DIRECTION A LITTLE BIT HERE AND ASK YOU IN REFERENCE TO THE LANGUAGE ON FOR THE PEARL HARBOR. IS THAT WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING CLOSE TO THAT LANGUAGE WORK FROM A STANDPOINT OF BEING APPLIED TO AQUA-LINE OR, OR DO WE HAVE TO REALLY DELVE INTO THAT FROM A STANDPOINT OF CHANGING AROUND A WHOLE BUNCH? STAFF CAN HELP ME A LITTLE BIT ON THIS ONE. I DON'T LOVE THE LANGUAGE IN ROYAL HARBOR. THAT'S THAT'S VERY VAGUE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. I THINK PEARL HARBOR IS ONE OF THE LOOSEY GOOSEY SECTIONS OF OUR CODE. IT'S UP HERE ON THE SCREEN. IT SAYS THE EXPOSED LOCATION OF THESE PROPERTIES. ANYWAY, IT ALLOWS IT ALLOWS THE OWNERS TO DO. YEAH. IT BASICALLY SAYS YOU JUST CAN'T INTRUDE UPON THE CHANNEL. YEAH. AND IT DOESN'T GIVE. AND IT RELIES ON THE EXISTING LINE OF CONSTRUCTION. WELL, WHAT IS THE EXISTING LINE OF CONSTRUCTION? IS IT THE DOCK TO THE NORTH? IS IT THE DOCK TO THE SOUTH? IS IT THE DOCK FOR DOWN THAT GOES OUT EVEN FURTHER? IS IT THAT ONE TO ME IS THE THE LEAST DEFINITIVE? AND YOU'LL SEE ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE HAD FOR OTHER ISSUES. THE FIRST ONE WAS TO ACTUALLY TIGHTEN UP THE LANGUAGE IN SERVER. YEAH. AND I'M NOT NECESSARILY SAYING I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE PROPERTY. SO I THINK THERE'S MAYBE A NICE HAPPY MEDIUM BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM. YEAH. YOU KNOW, THAT REPRESENTS THE NEIGHBORHOOD PROPERLY. THE CHANNELS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY LOCATED TOO, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON HOW THE CHANNEL GOES DOWN NAPLES BAY ON, ON THE EAST SIDE, YOU MIGHT BE CLOSER TO THE CHANNEL ON THE WEST SIDE, YOU MIGHT BE FARTHER AWAY. AND THEN WHEN YOU GET FURTHER DOWN THE BAY, IT FLIP FLOPS BECAUSE THE CHANNEL KIND OF GOES AT A DIAGONAL THROUGH. SO ROYAL HARBOR IS FARTHER SOUTH AND THE CHANNEL IS LOCATED DIFFERENTLY. SO I'M NOT NECESSARILY SAYING TO ADOPT THE RULES. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF THE PORT ROYAL RULES TOTALLY APPLY TO IT AND WOULD BRING EVERYTHING AND WOULD NOT STILL MAKE A NUMBER OF THE EXISTING DOCKS STILL NON-CONFORMING. WELL, I WOULD SAY MAYOR, AS FAR AS PROCEDURAL PROCESS OR MOVING FORWARD FROM A STANDPOINT OF TRYING TO DEVELOP THE LANGUAGE HERE. I MEAN, THIS IS SUCH A SPECIFIC. ITEM THAT THAT REQUIRES SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTISE THAT NONE OF US, FRANKLY, SITTING UP HERE HAVE IN REFERENCE TO BUILDING DOCKS AND WATERWAYS AND BEING PUTTING PUTTING SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO WORK INTO PLAY. SO FROM A STANDPOINT OF PUTTING LANGUAGE BACK IN FRONT OF US FOR FOR APPROVAL, I WOULD JUST I WOULD IN THIS SCENARIO, I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD NEED TO LEAN HEAVILY ON OUR STAFF AND HAVE OUR STAFF LEAN HEAVILY ON THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS THAT THAT BUILD THESE THINGS HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND HAVE YOU GUYS COME FORWARD WITH WITH LANGUAGE FOR US AND EXPLAIN TO US WHY IT MAKES SENSE? BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO SIT UP HERE AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT LANGUAGE SHOULD BE USED WOULD BE, WOULD BE FUTILE AT BEST. SO I'M WITH YOU BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO RELY ON THEM. MY, MY BIGGEST CONCERN THOUGH, ALEX, AND I'M REALLY SORRY, BUT NO, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS DEVELOPMENT OF THAT VERY LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND PUTTING IN SEVERAL DOCKS FOR, I MEAN, WHAT PIECE OF PROPERTY ARE WE REFERRING TO? WELL, IT'S THE ONLY ONE ON AQUA LANE THAT DOESN'T HAVE DOCKS ON THE BAY, AND WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE ONES THAT DON'T ON THE BAY. CORRECT. OKAY. YES. RIGHT. SO IT STARTS AT JAMAICA CHANNEL AND IT THAT PROPERTY, IT'S IT'S LISTED HERE IN THE BACKUP MATERIAL. LET ME SEE IF I CAN. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME ONE. IF WE'RE JUST STAYING FOCUSED IN ON AQUA LANE SHORES. IT'S THE ELLIOT SUBDIVISION. MARINA SHORES REPLAT. I THINK I DO, BUT I DON'T HAVE. IT ON JAMAICA LANE. IS IT THE VACANT PROPERTY ON JAMAICA LANE? IT'S ON MARINA. OH. OH OH YEAH YEAH YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. YES, YES, I KNOW THE PROPERTY YOU'RE REFERRING TO. THAT WASN'T ANY OF THE ONES I WAS REFERRING TO, BUT YEAH, GO AHEAD. OKAY. BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE REDEVELOPED. SO SURE. ANY REGULATIONS THAT WE APPROVE IS GOING TO AFFECT [05:50:05] THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT OF THESE THIS VERY LARGE PROPERTY WHICH COULD BECOME A MARINA AND I DON'T KNOW, MARINA. THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY ZONE. YEAH, YEAH, WE'RE STRICTLY TALKING SINGLE FAMILY. NO, BUT I'M JUST SAYING BECAUSE THERE'S ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, SIX PROPERTIES THAT WE ALLOWED TO BE SUBDIVIDED. SO WOULD ALL OF THE PROPERTIES WANT TO HAVE A BOAT DOCK? THE ONES THAT ARE INLAND. I'M GUESSING THEY WOULD. BUT WOULD THAT BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN SIX INDIVIDUAL LOTS IN OTHER AREAS OF ALKALINE? I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW THE TO ME, THE DIMENSIONS THAT ARE THERE AND THERE'S A BIG THERE'S A LARGE SHOAL THAT GOES DOWN THAT AREA. SO YEAH, I'M NOT SURE BECAUSE I REALLY HAVEN'T SEEN THE WAY THEY'RE BEING SUBDIVIDED UP. I KNOW THAT IN LOOKING AT IT ROUGHLY, PROBABLY A THIRD TO HALF OF THEM ARE ARE ON THE MAN MADE CHANNEL. THEY GO IN. SO THERE'S PROBABLY ONLY MAYBE 3 OR 4 THAT WOULD BE ON NAPLES BAY THAT THIS WOULD BE AFFECTING. THE OTHER ONES WOULD BE TO THE EXISTING RULES. BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY RULES. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. YEAH. YEAH. THERE'S THERE'S RULES FOR ALL THE INNER FOR ALL THE INNER CANALS. YEAH. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE BAY BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. WHAT ARE THE THREE? I MEAN 3 OR 4. JUST LOOKING AT OUR INTERACTIVE MAP. I DON'T HAVE A PLOT OR ANYTHING, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE ONLY THREE OF THEM HAVE WATER FRONTAGE ON NAPLES BAY IN THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION. RIGHT. BUT SO THAT'S MY QUESTION. WOULD EACH PROPERTY AS IT'S REDEVELOPED COME WITH A DOCK? WELL, CURRENTLY WE WOULDN'T. THERE'S NO PROVISION TO ISSUE A DOCK FOR THE INLAND PROPERTY. I'M JUST THINKING AHEAD OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES BECAUSE YOU COULD END UP POTENTIALLY WITH BECAUSE THERE'S A PRIVATE ROAD. NOW WE MADE THAT A PRIVATE ROAD. THERE. CURRENTLY THE THREE ARE DEVELOPED AND THERE ARE ONE TWO THERE FIVE PROPERTIES UNDEVELOPED CURRENTLY. NOW, I DON'T KNOW SIX. JUST ON THE INTERACTIVE. I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE OH, SORRY, I'M NOT SURE HOW TO DATE THAT IS, BUT YEAH, ONE JUST I BELIEVE THERE'S ONLY THREE THOUGH THAT ARE ON THE BAY. CORRECT? CORRECT. AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT IF SOMEBODY'S GOING TO BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY, IT'S ON THE BAY, THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO PUT A DOCK ON IT. SO I WOULD ASSUME, YES, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU THAT THOSE THREE WOULD HAVE DOCKS. RIGHT. BUT HE COULD NEVER GET A DOCK ON THE BAY. AND I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WAS THAT BECAUSE IT HAD TO BE APPROVED BY D E P, I DON'T KNOW. D E P. THIS IS MR. ROGERS FOR THE RECORD. JEFF ROGERS YEAH, SO I KNOW THIS PROPERTY REALLY WELL. I GOT INVOLVED IN SOME DUE DILIGENCE WITH THEM PRIOR TO THEM LISTING. AND BASICALLY, SO THE WAY IT WAS SPLIT, THOSE THREE LOTS ON THE BAY COULD ONE DAY, IF THERE WAS CODE IN THE CITY TO ALLOW A DOCK FOR THOSE THREE LOTS ON THE BAY AND THE ONES THAT WRAP AROUND THE SOUTH SIDE OF THAT ROAD, DEPENDING ON HOW THEY DIVIDED IT AND DID A SITE PLAN, THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF CREATING SOME KIND OF EASEMENT FOR THE OTHER PROPERTIES THAT WERE LANDLOCKED TO HAVE A LARGER DOCK ON THE CANAL SIDE. FOR THE OTHER INDIVIDUAL OWNERS OF THE LOTS THAT ARE LANDLOCKED. BUT NONE OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALL GOING TO COME TO YOU GUYS FOR APPROVAL. IF THAT WERE EVER TO BE PROPOSED. BUT THAT WOULD THE GUIDELINES ESTABLISHED IN THE CODE TODAY, THEY WOULD HAVE TO FOLLOW FOR THAT DOCUMENT FACILITY, WHICH IS THE 25FT, YOU KNOW, FOR AQUA LANE AND A DOCK IS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME. SO YOU COULDN'T HAVE A DOCK ON YOUR PROPERTY FOR A SEPARATE PROPERTY. SO AN EASEMENT IS ONE THING. AN EASEMENT WOULD ALLOW YOU TO ACCESS IT, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO THERE'S, THERE'S MORE TO THAT, A LOT MORE. YEAH. YOU COULDN'T YOU KNOW, MAYOR, IF I CAME TO YOU AND SAID, I DON'T HAVE A HOUSE IN THE CITY, BUT YOU LIVE ON THE WATER, I'D LOVE TO BUILD A DOCK ON YOUR PROPERTY, BUT WE WOULDN'T ALLOW THAT. NO, BUT THE WAY THESE ARE CONFIGURED, YOU COULD HAVE A DOCK DEPENDING ON THE LOT SPLIT, WHICH WE WE DON'T APPROVE LOT SPLITS THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY CONFIGURED. THE PROPERTIES THAT FACE THE WATERWAY COULD HAVE DOCKS. SO THAT WOULD BE THERE'S THREE PROPERTIES. THERE'S TWO PROPERTIES THAT ONLY FACE NAPLES BAY. THERE'S THE CORNER PROPERTY THAT FACES HAS WATER FRONTAGE ON ON THE NAPLES BAY, AND THEN THERE'S A PROPERTY THAT ONLY HAS WATER FRONTAGE ON THE CANAL. SO THOSE WOULD BE THE PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE A DOCK. RIGHT. WE'RE ONLY TALKING ABOUT NAPLES BAY. SO WHAT YOU'RE TELLING US IS IN REFERENCE TO THESE, THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT SPECIFICALLY, WE'RE LOOKING AT THREE DOCKS, PERIOD. WE'RE LOOKING AT. YEAH. THREE PROPERTIES HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO APPLY FOR DOCKS ON NAPLES BAY. AND I DON'T KNOW, IT DOES APPEAR THAT THERE'S A SHOAL THERE. WE'D HAVE TO SEE WHAT THE YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE ALLOWED CURRENTLY BY THE CODE, [05:55:01] YOU'D BE ALLOWED 25FT, BUT NO MORE THAN 25 FOOT DOCKS. APPLICATIONS FOR DOCKS. THE MOST WE CAN SEE IN THAT PARTICULAR SCENARIO WOULD BE THREE, BECAUSE NAPLES, NAPLES BAY CURRENTLY. OKAY, IF THIS MAP IS CORRECT. SO YOU NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK THAN MR. ROGERS ON UNDERSTANDING THAT WHERE THAT SHOAL IS, BECAUSE IT'S I MEAN, YES, THERE IS A SHOAL THERE. BORN AND RAISED HERE. I GREW UP IN ROYAL HARBOR ON THE WATER, SO I KNOW NAPLES BAY LIKE THE BACK OF MY HAND. I'VE RUN AROUND THOUGH NOT. YEAH. SO THERE IS A SHOAL AND IT IS ONE OF THE LARGER SECTIONS OF THE BAY WHERE YOU ARE A DISTANCE FROM THE ACTUAL FEDERAL CHANNEL. THE OFFSET FROM THESE PROPERTIES TO THE CHANNEL'S PRETTY GREAT IN THIS AREA FROM AQUA LANE. SO THERE IS A SHOAL IN THAT AREA. WE WOULD BASICALLY, DURING DESIGN PHASE, GET A WATER DEPTH SURVEY. THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT WE WOULD EVER DO TO THEN LOOK AT OPTIONS TO REDUCE IMPACTS TO NAPLES BAY, I.E. DREDGING. THAT'S THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO. ULTIMATELY, A COST B IMPACTS TO NATURAL RESOURCES AND SUCH, RIGHT? SO WE TRY TO LAY OUT ANY DOCUMENT FACILITY WITH YOU, THE CLIENT SLASH AND RESOURCES IN MIND TO A LIMIT COST AND B LIMITING THE IMPACTS THAT THAT IMPACT WATER QUALITY. SO THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WOULD COME INTO PLAY CURRENTLY. AS, AS THE CODE IS APPLIED, THERE WOULD BE ONLY THREE DOCS AND THEY WOULD BE LIMITED TO 25FT. CURRENTLY, STAFF'S ASKING AND WE'RE ASKING TO LOOK AT DEVELOPING RULES ON THIS AREA OF AQUA LANE. THAT PROVIDES SOME FLEXIBILITY TO THAT PROTRUSION. BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING AND PREVIOUSLY PERMANENT APPROVAL PROCESS FOR THE DOCKS ON THE BAY. TO SEE IF WE CAN GET SOME GREATER SIZE DOCS IN HERE BASED HISTORICALLY ON WHAT'S THERE. PLUS, THE NATURAL WATERWAY ALLOWS FOR THAT EXTENSION OUT INTO THE BAY, JUST LIKE PORT ROYAL, JUST LIKE IN SOME CASES, ROYAL HARBOR, BECAUSE THE WATERWAY IS SO WIDE. STATE AND FEDERAL RULES COME INTO PLAY. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO OUT TO 25%. OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S NOT AN OPTION HERE. BUT THESE HOMES DO HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO OUT FURTHER THAN 25FT AND 25FT IS, IN TODAY'S STANDARDS, REALLY RESTRICTIVE. RIGHT. I WOULD AGREE, EXCEPT FOR IF YOU'RE IN THAT BOATING AREA, IT'S PACKED. CORRECT. I MEAN, IT'S IT'S THERE ARE BOTTLENECKS ON NAPLES BAY AND THAT'S WHAT MY OPEN SPEED ZONE. SO YOU GET THE WASHING MACHINE EFFECT WITH THE BOAT WAKES. SO WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE DAYS WHEN WE HAD A NO WAKE ZONE THAT WAS ESTABLISHED IN NAPLES BAY THAT WAS OBVIOUSLY REVOKED. THE IDEALLY, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN TO LIMIT THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, I GREW UP MESSING AROUND ON NAPLES BAY IN A SMALL BOAT. I WOULD NEVER LET MY KID GO OUT THERE AND DO THAT TODAY ON THE WEEKEND. SO IT IS IT'S A DIFFERENT WATERWAY THAN IT EVER WAS HISTORICALLY. AND THAT'S JUST LOOK AT NAPLES. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? SO, SO THE BOAT DOCKS, ERICA, THAT ARE IN THIS DISPLAYED ON THE SCREEN, HOW HOW FAR OUT ARE THOSE? BOAT DOCKS ARE BIGGER THAN 25FT. THEY ARE. AND I WAS ACTUALLY I HAVE MY MAP UP AND I'M LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, THAT VACANT PARCEL. AND THERE'S A BOAT DOCK JUST TO THE NORTH THAT'S ABOUT 60FT. NOT ONE OF THESE, BUT THE PROPERTY THAT WE WERE DISCUSSING, THE HOUSE HAS A BOAT DOCK, RIGHT? SO. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE THE LONGEST, BUT I'M LOOKING AS I GO UP AND LOOK AT THESE DOCKS, THERE'S, THERE'S NO CONSISTENCY IS MY POINT. IT'S, IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE. AND THAT'S SOME OF THE PROBLEM WE'RE HAVING WITH US AND STAFF IS NEW PEOPLE ARE BUYING THESE LOTS AND THEY'RE LOOKING AROUND THEM AND THEY'RE SEEING THESE BIGGER, GREATER DOCKS. AND THEN WE'RE THE BAD GUYS RANGING FROM ALEX TO ME TO JIM SAYING, YOU GUYS, YOU CAN ONLY GO 25FT. AND THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, THEY'RE OUT 70FT, 60FT, 50FT, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. AND WE'RE LIKE, WELL, YOU CAN'T DO THAT, RIGHT? ESTABLISHING A BOUNDARY THAT WE CAN SAY THAT'S WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF AND COME UP WITH THAT MAGIC NUMBER OR, WELL, THE ONLY WAY TO DO THAT IS TO SURVEY IT AND LET US KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT BIGGER BOAT. YEAH. THE DOCK HERE AT THE BOTTOM IS ABOUT 85FT. THIS BOTTOM RIGHT IS ABOUT 85FT. AND THAT'S TO THE END OF WHERE THAT MEASUREMENT THAT'S THAT DOESN'T ACCOUNT FOR THE PILING TO THE OTHER SIDE. SO LIKE I SAID, WE'RE IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE. AND THESE WERE DOCKS THAT I MEAN, THAT ONE, YOU CAN SEE THE OH, YOU CAN'T TELL IN THAT, BUT IN MY MAP YOU CAN SEE SOME NAVIGATIONAL. THAT'S IT'S VERY SHALLOW IN THAT LOCATION. YEAH. SO I MEAN, I'D LOVE TO HELP THE DEVELOPER, BUT I WANT TO JUST FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT HAVE BEEN STATED, WE HAVE TO, TO EXPLORE THOSE BEFORE WE CAN GO CHANGING CODES THAT WE DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO AFFECT IT, IN MY OPINION. WELL, THAT'S [06:00:04] MY POINT. WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING BACK IN FRONT OF US, BUT THAT SOMETHING HAS TO COME FROM THEM. IT CAN'T COME FROM US AND WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT WHAT THEY WHAT THEY BRING TO US AND SAY, WE THINK THIS MIGHT WORK. THEN WE CAN GET SOME MORE DETAILS BY HAVING A DISCUSSION WITH THEM IN REFERENCE TO WHAT THEY PUT IN FRONT OF US, BUT WE CAN'T EVEN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION UNTIL WE GET SOMETHING PUT IN FRONT OF US BY OUR STAFF AND OUR STAFF, IN TURN WORKING WITH THE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS THAT GET THE JOB DONE HERE IN NAPLES. EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING. WE CAN BRING YOU THESE MEASUREMENTS, YOU KNOW, SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHAT'S OUT THERE. OKAY. BLANKENSHIP. OH, I WAS JUST GOING TO ASK WHEN Y'ALL DO THAT, INCLUDE THE AQUA LANE CHORES HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION AND GET THEIR INPUT AND BUY IN AS WELL. YEP. THANKS. OH, YEAH. KRAMER. ALEX, ARE YOU ARE YOU IN NAPLES HIGH GRAD? I DIDN'T HEAR, YOU KNOW, BUT. CALVIN, ARE YOU IN NAPLES? HIGH GRAD NO, I AM NOT. WHERE'D YOU GO TO HIGH SCHOOL? I WENT TO SAINT JOHN NEUMANN. OH, I KNOW YOU'RE DOWN HERE, THOUGH. OKAY. YEAH, I JUST THINK IT'S BEAUTIFUL THAT YOU THREE GUYS. WE GOT TWO GOLDEN EAGLES AND A THREE. AND THEN ALEX. I WENT THERE WHEN I WANTED TO SEE A FOOTBALL GAME AND A GUY THAT WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, A GUY THAT WANTED PROVING THAT THERE'S ONLY TWO KINDS OF PEOPLE IN THE WORLD, GOLDEN EAGLES AND THOSE WHO WANT TO BE GOLDEN EAGLES. SO I JUST HAD TO SAY THAT OUT LOUD. YOU STOOD OUT. SERIOUSLY, SERIOUSLY. THANK YOU GUYS FOR THE TIME TAKING TODAY. AND IN GENERAL, YOU GUYS HAVE REALLY WORKED ON THIS FOR A LONG TIME. YOU'RE INVESTED IN OUR COMMUNITY AND YOU ARE LIKE, WE DON'T FUNCTION THE SAME WITHOUT CITIZENS LIKE Y'ALL THAT ARE WILLING TO, TO LIKE, DO WORK ALONGSIDE OUR STAFF. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL YOU GUYS. WE ENJOY WHAT WE DO. AND HONESTLY, WE REALLY DO ENJOY WORKING WITH STAFF AND THEY, THEY REALLY DO WHEN WE'RE IN THESE MEETINGS, THEY REALLY DO HAVE THE, THE RESIDENCE'S BEST INTERESTS IN ALL THE CONVERSATIONS. SO KUDOS TO THEM. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. NO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPERTISE IN HELPING US OUT. OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? SO THE DIRECTION YOU'VE GOTTEN, DIRECTION ANY DO YOU NEED FURTHER DIRECTION? WE WILL BE BACK WITH MUCH MORE INFORMATION ON THOSE REALLY QUICK. WERE WE ALL OKAY WITH MOVING THE REGULATIONS INTO 52? I DON'T SEE A DOWNFALL. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL WE'LL WE'LL BE BACK. WAIT. GO AHEAD. THE QUESTION SAID ALL THE OTHER DOC ISSUES. WHEN WILL THOSE COME SEE US IN THE FUTURE. WE'LL BE BACK AGAIN. OKAY. AND THIS QUESTION THAT THE SPEAKERS BROUGHT UP, IT'S KINA SANDS. NOT SURE. AND IT'S CLOSE TO THAT FIRST WATCH WHERE THE. IT IS VERY NARROW. CORRECT. THE I THINK IS IT 1624 WILSHIRE BOULEVARD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IS THAT GOING TO. DOES THAT DOC HAVE TO BE APPROVED BY THAT? DOC HAS NOT BEEN SUBMITTED FOR OUR REVIEW, SO I THINK IT WILL. IT WILL BE. YES. IN THE FUTURE. I THINK IF THEY MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AND I THINK THE PETITIONERS HERE. BUT I THINK WHAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS SEEN, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF MARKETING MATERIAL THAT'S BEEN DISTRIBUTED. YEAH. I CAN TELL YOU THAT BETWEEN THE THE DRAWINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BEFORE THE BOARD AND THE MARKETING MATERIAL, THE DESIGN HAS CHANGED 3 OR 4 DIFFERENT ITERATIONS OF THAT DOC. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE EXACT PROPOSAL IS IN ORDER TO GIVE YOU FEEDBACK ON THAT, BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T SUBMITTED DRAWINGS FOR THAT. THEY'RE CONCERNED THAT I'VE HEARD SEVERAL TIMES IS THAT THEY WOULDN'T HAVE A VOICE AND THEY WOULDN'T BE HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE IT OR EXPRESS AN OPINION ON IT. BUT YOU'RE SAYING IT WOULD COME, IT WOULD NOT COME BEFORE YOU. IT WOULD BE A BUILDING PERMIT. SO IT WOULD BE SUBMITTED AS A MARINE PERMIT. SO THEY ARE CORRECT. THE DOC IS NOT THE PURVIEW OF THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. SO THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD REVIEWS THE BUILDING DESIGN BUT NOT THE DOC. SO THE THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS CORRECT THAT THIS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THEM WAS TODAY THEY WERE BEFORE YOU SPEAKING ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT MARINE PERMIT IS JUST A BUILDING PERMIT THAT WOULD BE REVIEWED BY CITY STAFF. AND ARE THERE OTHER RESTRICTIONS IN REFERENCE TO THE LENGTH OF THE DOC IN THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION THAT ARE CURRENTLY? THE CODE THAT'S THERE TODAY WOULD APPLY? SO LIKE I SAID, I CAN'T TELL YOU WHETHER THEIR PROPOSAL MEETS CODE OR DOESN'T BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. OKAY, SO IT'S PREMATURE. ALSO, I DON'T WANT TO CREATE A LEGAL SITUATION. ANDREW. STOP ME, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT I HAVE REVIEWED YET. SO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. I HEAR THEIR CONCERN AND I UNDERSTAND IT. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO BE HEARD. ARCHITECTURE AT DRB AT DRB, WE AGREED TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THOSE DOCS FOR THEM. I'VE GIVEN THEM MY CARD AND TOLD THEM, WE'VE GOT THIS UNDER CONTROL. WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE THOSE DOCS FOR THEM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. THANKS. THAT WAS EASY. I'LL BE THAT EASY. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO COME UP? WE CAN [06:05:02] SOLVE SOME MORE. OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES SIX C. THAT WILL COME BACK TO COUNCIL. THANK YOU. GOING TO 60, MADAM MAYOR, CAN WE TAKE A FIVE? YOU NEED A BREAK? YES, PLEASE. YES, YES. OKAY. WE'LL TAKE A IT'S WE'LL SAY IT'S 320. WE'LL TAKE A OKAYK AND WE'RE CONTINUING ON WITH [6.D) Discussion of Design Review Board Process.] ITEM SIX D. YES, MISS MARTIN GOOD AFTERNOON. ERIC MARTIN, PLANNING DIRECTOR. THIS IS A DISCUSSION ITEM THAT HAS BEEN IN YOUR COUNCIL PRIORITIES FOR WELL SINCE I THINK 2022 OR 3, WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS MULTIPLE TIMES THROUGH WORKSHOPS IN 2023 2024. I GAVE A, THE FULL BACKGROUND OF, YOU KNOW, THIS DISCUSSION AND HOW IT HAS COME ABOUT AND THE HISTORY BEHIND IT. AND ALL THE TIMES WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THINGS WE HAVE, THERE HAVE BEEN CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED A LOT OF THE THE INITIATIVES THAT CAME OUT OF THESE DISCUSSIONS. AND THEN MOST RECENTLY, THERE WERE TWO ORDINANCES THAT WERE PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL. TALKING ABOUT THE THE PROCESS. AND THAT WAS ON OCTOBER 1ST. SO YOU HAD FIRST READING ON OCTOBER 1ST. CITY COUNCIL HEARD THE ORDINANCE APPROVED THE ORDINANCE, AND THEN ON SECOND READING IT WAS VOTED DOWN. AND THAT WAS THE ORDINANCE THAT ACCOMPLISHED THERE. A NUMBER OF THINGS ON ON PAGE TWO, BUT IT WAS ESSENTIALLY REMOVING CHANGING THE SITE PLAN PROCESS TO GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN WAS ONE OF THE PROPOSALS THERE. AND THAT IS JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE'S JUST BEEN SOME CONFUSION SINCE WE FIRST INITIATED THE SITE PLAN PROCESS. THERE'S BEEN SOME CONFUSION WITH THAT NAME BETWEEN THE SITE PLAN PROCESS AND THE DRAWING THAT IS CALLED A SITE PLAN. A SITE PLAN DRAWING IS, IS ONE DRAWING THAT IS THE, YOU KNOW, SHOWS THE SITE. THE PROCESS, HOWEVER, INCLUDES A REVIEW OF MUCH MORE THAN JUST THAT SITE PLAN DRAWING THAT INCLUDES DRAINAGE. IT INCLUDES. WE GET AN ARCHITECTURAL SET. SO WE WANTED TO CLEAR UP ANY CONFUSION IF COUNCIL STILL, YOU KNOW, THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS CONFUSION. THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME OUT OF THE THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE ORDINANCE THAT WAS BEFORE YOU PREVIOUSLY TRIED TO ACCOMPLISH. THE SECOND WAS WE HAD A NUMBER OF MEETINGS, SOME OF THEM WITH OR WE HAD A SERIES OF MEETINGS WITH THE DEVELOPMENT AND DESIGN COMMUNITY. AND PART OF THAT DISCUSSION WAS, HOW CAN WE STREAMLINE THE REVIEW PROCESS CURRENTLY, AND I HAVE FLOWCHARTS REALLY, REALLY RUDIMENTARY, DRAWN BY MYSELF. FLOWCHARTS IN YOUR PACKET. THE FIRST ONE, WHICH IS EXHIBIT A, SHOWS WHAT THE PROCESS IS TODAY, AND THAT PROCESS IS OUTLINED IN YOUR CODE AND WHAT THAT. AND TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT, A VACANT PIECE OF LAND, NEW DEVELOPMENT. IT REQUIRES THAT THAT GOES THROUGH PRELIMINARY DESIGN REVIEW IS THE FIRST STEP. THEN YOU HAVE THE SITE PLAN PROCESS. THAT SITE PLAN PROCESS IS WHERE THEY SUBMIT THE PROJECT TO PLANNING STAFF. WE DISTRIBUTE THAT TO ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS IN THE CITY AND I MEAN ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. IT'S REVIEWED BY POLICE, BY FIRE, BY FLOODPLAIN, NATURAL RESOURCES, PARKS AND PARKWAYS. YOUR ARBORIST REVIEWS THEM. EVERY DEPARTMENT REVIEWS THIS. WE TAKE ALL OF THE FEEDBACK AND THEY'RE REVIEWING IT NOT ONLY AGAINST CODE OF ORDINANCES, BUT ANY OTHER POLICIES, ANY OTHER PLANS, ANY OTHER GUIDELINES THAT THEY HAVE, FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, ETC. SO ALL OF THAT IS REVIEWED. WE TAKE THAT FEEDBACK. THAT PROCESS CAN GO BACK AND FORTH A FEW TIMES. SO ESSENTIALLY, WE, YOU KNOW, GET THE COMMENTS BACK FROM ALL THE DEPARTMENTS ON WHERE THE DEFICIENCIES ARE IN THAT PLAN, WHERE IT WHERE IT IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH OUR, OUR REGULATIONS, WE PROVIDE THAT BACK AND THEY RESUBMIT PLANS UNTIL THEY HAVE SUFFICIENTLY ADDRESSED ALL OF OUR COMMENTS. NOW FOR PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT WITHIN A PLAN DEVELOPMENT. THE WAY YOUR CODE IS WRITTEN, SITE PLANS ARE REVIEWED ADMINISTRATIVELY. THE SITE. A SITE PLAN FOR A PROJECT IN A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT IS REVIEWED BY CITY COUNCIL, SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE PAB AND CITY COUNCIL. BUT LET'S BASE THIS OFF OF A PROJECT THAT DOES NOT IS NOT WITHIN A PLAN DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT PROJECT WOULD COME THROUGH PRELIMINARY DESIGN REVIEW. THEN THE SITE PLAN PROCESS IN THAT SITE PLAN PROCESS IS WHERE WE WOULD IDENTIFY IF THERE ARE ANY OTHER ENTITLEMENTS REQUIRED. DO THEY NEED A CONDITIONAL USE? YOU KNOW, IS IT A TRANSIENT LODGING FACILITY THAT REQUIRES A CONDITIONAL USE? DO THEY NEED SOME SORT OF PARKING ALLOCATION FROM CITY COUNCIL? DO THEY NEED A VARIANCE? ARE THERE ANY OTHER ENTITLEMENTS? IF THERE ARE, THEN THAT AFTER SITE PLAN, AFTER PRELIMINARY DESIGN REVIEW AFTER SITE PLAN, THEN IT WOULD GO TO PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AND OR CRAB PARKING ALLOCATIONS IN THE DOWNTOWN MAY REQUIRE [06:10:03] CRAB. AND THEN ON TO CITY COUNCIL. AND THEN AFTER CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL THE LAST STEP WOULD BE FINAL DESIGN REVIEW. SO IN THE IN THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE HAD WITH THE COMMUNITY, WITH THE DESIGN COMMUNITY, AND WE HAD WE INVITED CONTRACTORS, WE INVITED ARCHITECTS, PLANNERS, ATTORNEYS, ENGINEERS. SO IT WAS A, IT WAS A ROBUST DISCUSSION IN AN ATTEMPT TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS AND MAKE IT MORE EFFICIENT, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT ELIMINATING ONE OF THE TWO DESIGN REVIEW HEARINGS. YOU HAVE A PRELIMINARY HEARING AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS, AND YOU HAVE A FINAL DESIGN REVIEW AT THE END OF THE PROCESS. SO THERE WAS THE DISCUSSION WAS IF WE COULD ELIMINATE ONE OF THOSE DESIGN REVIEW HEARINGS, I THINK INITIALLY IT WAS WE COULD ELIMINATE PRELIMINARY AND ONLY HAVE FINAL AND THEN IT FLIP FLOP AND SAID, WAIT, NO, WE COULD ELIMINATE FINAL AND ONLY HAVE PRELIMINARY. I MAY HAVE GOTTEN THAT BACKWARDS, BUT WHAT I HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY IS THOSE TWO VERSIONS. SO FLOWCHARTS, EXHIBITS B AND C DEPICT ELIMINATING PRELIMINARY AND THEN GOING THROUGH THE REST OF THE PROCESS. AND THE OTHER ONE IS ELIMINATING FINAL DESIGN REVIEW AND. BUT OTHERWISE FOLLOWING THE PROCESS. NOW EXHIBITS B AND C DO SHOW RENAMING OF THE SITE PLAN PROCESS TO GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THAT'S JUST AN OPTION THAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY. BUT THE PURPOSE OF THE DISCUSSION TODAY IS. I. I'M REQUESTING DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL IF WE WANT TO PURSUE CONTINUE TO PURSUE AMENDING THIS PROCESS. WHAT DIRECTION WOULD YOU LIKE THAT TO GO? AND I THINK WE WE WERE ON A TRAJECTORY THAT STOPPED. I THINK WE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT MAYBE THERE WAS A CHANGE OF HEART, AND THERE WAS SOME HESITANCE IN REMOVING THE DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS. ONE OF THE ELEMENTS OF THE DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS. SO AGAIN, EXHIBIT A WHAT YOUR PROCESS LOOKS LIKE TODAY. EXHIBIT B REMOVES THE FINAL DESIGN REVIEW HEARING, AND THE EXHIBIT C REMOVES THE PRELIMINARY DESIGN REVIEW HEARING. IF YOU COULD CHOOSE ANY OF THOSE, WE COULD. THE OPTIONS ARE TO LEAVE THE PROCESS THE WAY IT IS. YOU COULD CHOOSE B OR C, OR WE COULD FIND A DIFFERENT A DIFFERENT PROCESS. BUT WHEN THE WHEN THE ORDINANCE WAS TURNED DOWN AT SECOND READING, YOU KNOW, STAFF WAS LEFT IN A POSITION OF. DOES THAT MEAN WE NO LONGER PURSUE, YOU KNOW, A CHANGE TO THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, OR DO WE CONTINUE TO PURSUE THIS? BUT IN WHAT IN WHAT WAY? SO WE'RE LOOKING TO YOU FOR DIRECTION, AND I'M SURE GARY HAS MORE TO SAY. YES. AND MAYOR, JUST TO PUT A FINER POINT ON IT, IF YOU DON'T MIND, IF YOU RECALL, AND AS SHE INDICATED, IT WAS JUST THIS SECTION REGARDING DRB, FOLLOWING COMMENTS AND ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION WAS JUST RIP IT OUT SO WE CAN PASS THE OTHER BOARDS AND COMMITTEES AND COME BACK TO US. SINCE THEN THERE WAS A BRAND NEW COUNCIL THAT IS NOW SEATED, AND IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO COME BACK AT A WORKSHOP AND SAY, DO YOU WANT US TO PURSUE IT, YES OR NO? AND WHICH WHICH PATH DO YOU BELIEVE IS APPROPRIATE? AND IF IT'S NOTHING EXCEPT FOR MAYBE CLARIFY THE LANGUAGE ON GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WE WOULD DO THAT TOO. SO I JUST WANTED TO LEVEL SET THAT. IT REALLY IS TIME FOR THE NEW SEATED COUNCIL TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE. WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS BE TALKING ABOUT IN 2028. IF IT'S BEEN SINCE 2022, WE GOT TO A CERTAIN POINT AND IT'S FINE IF WE DON'T MAKE CHANGES, JUST TELL US THAT SO THAT WE CAN GO ON TO OTHER THINGS. SO THAT'S THE REASON IT'S BEFORE YOU IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING, YOU KNOW, IT WILL BE THE SECOND WORKSHOP FOLLOWING THE SEATING OF THE COUNCIL. SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THE OTHER PIECE THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT HERE IS THE FACT THAT THE DRB HAS A RESOLUTION, WHICH IS A DEVELOPMENT ORDER, AND THEY HAVE IT AT THE BEGINNING AND THEY HAVE IT AT THE END. AND BACK IN 94, WHEN THAT WAS ALL CHANGED. SO IT WOULD BECOME MORE ADMINISTRATIVE. APPROVALS. AND THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF CONFUSION HAS HAPPENED. AND I'LL JUST SAY SOME OF THE LARGER DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE HAPPENED AND INCLUDING IN THE LAST ITEM THAT WE HAD, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE A DEVELOPER, THEY GO TO DRB, THEY PRESENT THEIR AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE COMMUNITY FIND IT THROUGH SALES, AND THEN THEY MAKE THEIR CHANGES BECAUSE THEY HEAR THE THE COMMUNITY'S OUTCRY. BUT DRB SHOULDN'T HAVE EVEN SEEN DOCS. SO IT WAS ON THE SITE PLAN ALREADY. AND SO PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE, WHAT ARE YOU APPROVING WHEN YOU'RE APPROVING? AND IF YOU'RE PRESENTING ALL OF THAT INFORMATION, YOU APPROVED IT [06:15:03] ALL. AND THAT'S WHERE THE CLARIFICATION AND THE CONFUSION HAPPENS. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M OUT TO TRY AND CLARIFY AND SIMPLIFY SO THAT THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO GO TO A VOLUNTARY BOARD WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT COLOR AND ARCHITECTURE AND END UP HAVING APPROVALS OF, OF ITEMS THAT AREN'T WITHIN THEIR PURVIEW. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, FOR YOU, FOR STAFF, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR FOR THE PETITIONERS SO THAT THEY'RE PREPARED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT THEY NEED TO BE LOOKING AT. AND THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE APPROVING AND WHAT THE COMMITTEE THAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT COLOR IS APPROVING. AND I'M SORRY, BUT FOR THE RECORD, I DO HAVE TO SAY THIS IS WHERE WE GOT INTO TROUBLE WITH OUR DESIGN REVIEW BOARD RECOMMENDING EMBELLISHMENTS TO ROOFS, AND IT WENT UP TO 42FT. WE GOT UNDERGROUND PARKING WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE A CODE FOR UNDERGROUND PARKING SO THAT THEY COULD HAVE PARKING FOR THEIR PROJECTS. LOOK, LET'S FIGURE THESE THINGS OUT, BUT LET'S BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT IT. BUT HAVING IT HAPPEN AT A DRB MEETING IS EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO FIX. I WOULD LIKE TO DO QUESTIONS, BUT I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC ON WHAT THEIR ISSUES ARE SO WE CAN MAKE A BETTER PROCESS. SO IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS YOU WANT TO ASK STAFF QUICKLY AND THEN WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. KRAMER AND THEN SCHULTZ. THAT WAS A LOT BETTER. AND THE THING THAT STUCK WITH ME, JUST TO BE CLEAR, DRB DID NOT ALLOW UNDERGROUND PARKING. I THINK THAT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE A CODE, THEN STATE BUILDING CODE IS WHAT WE USE. IS THAT THE CASE? THANK YOU. BETH, OUR CODE DOES NOT. RIGHT. SO WE WOULD USE THE STATE BUILDING CODE FOR THAT, WOULD WE NOT. OR WE DON'T HAVE ANY. WHEN OUR CODE DOESN'T ADDRESS IT, THEN WE USE THE BUILDING CODE FOR CONSTRUCTION OF THE BUILDING. THE BUILDING CODE DOESN'T SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT IN NAPLES YOU CAN HAVE UNDERGROUND PARKING, BUT. SO WHAT WOULD THE DEFAULT BE FOR THAT? BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE HAD IT ALL OVER. WELL, TO BE CLEAR, ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED IN THE CITY WITH UNDERGROUND PARKING WERE ACTUALLY REVIEWED BY CITY COUNCIL, NOT FOR THE UNDERGROUND PARKING. LET ME BE VERY CLEAR, BUT THOSE PROJECTS WERE DESIGNED, WERE APPROVED AS SITE PLANS WITH DEVIATIONS. THE DEVIATION WAS NOT FOR THE PARKING GARAGE, IT WAS NOT FOR THE UNDERGROUND PARKING. BUT THEY DID COME THROUGH CITY COUNCIL REVIEW FOR OTHER DEVIATIONS. SO THE WHILE THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. YES, DID REVIEW AND APPROVE THOSE PROJECTS, THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD DID NOT REVIEW AND APPROVE SPECIFICALLY THE UNDERGROUND PARKING, NOR DID CITY COUNCIL. BUT THE PROJECTS THAT CAME BEFORE BOTH DRB, P, A, B OR ALL THREE DRB, P, B AND CITY COUNCIL DID DEPICT UNDERGROUND PARKING. IS THAT NOT VERY CLEAR? NO. KIND OF. SO THAT'S OKAY. I DON'T WANT TO. THAT'S ANOTHER ENCHILADA. BUT THIS ENCHILADA IS THIS. I HAVE A QUESTION A COUPLE OF THEM. BUT. SO IF A IF A PROJECT, IF SOMEBODY COMES TO THEY WANT TO BUILD A PROJECT THAT BY. RIGHT, THEY CAN BUILD IT IS FITS WITHIN EVERYTHING. YEAH. EVERYTHING THE CODE ASKS THEM TO DO. YES. WHAT WOULD THEIR PROCESS LOOK LIKE? A CODE COMPLIANT PROJECT WOULD BE PRELIMINARY DESIGN REVIEW SITE PLAN, WHICH WOULD THEN BE ADMINISTRATIVE AND THEN FINAL DESIGN REVIEW. AND THEY WERE NOT ASKING FOR ANY OTHER ENTITLEMENTS. THAT'S THE PROCESS. OKAY. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, YOU GAVE THE RIGHT CHRONOLOGY BECAUSE I WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT I DIDN'T I MEAN, BACK AND FORTH TALKING TO GUYS INITIALLY IT WAS, LET'S GET RID OF THE PRELIMINARY AND KEEP THE FINAL. AND THEN THAT FLIPPED TO NO. WE REALLY NEED THE PRELIMINARY AND THE FEAR THAT I'VE BEEN TOLD THAT WAS THAT OR NOT THE FEAR. WHAT WAS HAPPENING WAS IF WE HAVE. IF WE WENT TO THE G, D P FIRST. YEAH. AND THEN WENT TO DRB THANKS. DRB WOULD ASK US WOULD PUT US BACK IN THE GDP LOOP WITH. WE'VE. WE'VE MADE THESE CHANGES AND NOW WE GOT TO GO BACK BECAUSE THINGS HAVE CHANGED. AND SO IF IF THE DRB REQUESTED CHANGES. RIGHT. OKAY. AND SO THAT'S WHAT MADE ME MOVE THAT THE, THE NOTION THAT WE SHOULD HAVE DRB SHOULD BE AT THE, AT THE TOP OF IT. SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO BACK BECAUSE IT MANY TIMES. AND BY THE WAY, I TALKED TO A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE WHO'VE WORKED AT DRB A BUNCH. THAT'S WHAT I KIND OF MIND IS LIKE WHO'S WORKED WITH DRB AND THEY'RE LIKE, MAN, WE NEED DRB. THEY AREN'T OPPOSED TO DRB. THEY ARE GRATEFUL FOR THE INPUT, WHICH SHOCKED ME. I THOUGHT THEY'D BE LIKE, LEAVE MY PROJECT ALONE. BUT THEY WERE NOT THAT WAY. AND SO AND THEY FELT LIKE IT GAVE THEM VERY USEFUL INFORMATION TO MOVE FORWARD IN THE PROJECT AND NOT WASTE TIME. SO IN THAT REGARD, THEN EXHIBIT B WOULD BE THE ONE THAT I WOULD SUPPORT, KNOWING THAT THE FOLKS THAT I'VE TALKED [06:20:09] TO ABOUT THIS HAVE SAID THAT THE DRB AT THE INITIAL PHASE WILL SAVE TIME IN THE LONG RUN IF THEY KEEP THEM FROM GOING BACK AND FORTH. AND THEY CAN'T GO BACK. YEAH. AND I THINK ALSO THE ASTERISK IS SUPER IMPORTANT BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS COOL THAT YOU GUYS DO THE PRE-APPLICATION MEETING. WE REQUIRE PRE-APPLICATION MEETING PRIOR TO THE SUBMITTAL FOR ANYTHING. AND I THINK THAT'S JUST FANTASTIC. WHAT A GREAT SERVICE TO DO. LIKE, HEY, HERE'S HOW THIS THING IS GOING TO LOOK AND HERE'S ALL THE BOXES YOU GOT TO CHECK. I THINK THAT'S JUST GREAT THAT YOU ALL DO THAT, THAT, AND THAT ISN'T THAT HASN'T BEEN AMPLIFIED YET, BUT IT'S ON HERE AND I THINK IT'S ON THERE. YEAH. WE SHOULD AMPLIFY THAT. THANKS. THAT'S ALL COOL. IN MY TIME ON THE THE P A B. I WOULD LOOK AT OUR AGENDAS AND I WOULD LOOK AT THE DRBS AGENDAS AND SAY, WHY IS THAT NOT BEFORE US? WHAT ARE THEY DOING ON THIS? AND THAT OTHER THING THAT NEVER GOT TO US WAS ON BUILDING STUFF. AND IT NEVER MADE ANY SENSE TO ME. WHEN I LOOKED AT IT THAT WE HAD A COUPLE MEETINGS WHERE ALL WE HAD WERE GENERIC, GENERIC, GENERIC, AND ALL THIS STUFF ACTIVITY IS GOING ON. THE DRB. I'M GOING, WHO ARE THEY? WHAT? WE ARE THE NUMBER ONE LAND USE BOARD IN THE CITY THERE. I SORT OF AGREE WITH THE MAYOR THAT THEY ARE ON THE TRIMMINGS AFTER THE PROJECT GETS THROUGH. THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. NOW I COULD BE TOTALLY INCORRECT IN THAT, BUT WHEN I SAW THEM AGENDA AFTER AGENDA AFTER AGENDA, I'M SAYING THIS SEEMS OUT OF KILTER. SO ANYWAY, THAT'S MY THOUGHT. WAS DRB WORKING ON LAND USE STUFF? NO. SO ESSENTIALLY I THINK AND WHEN WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS BEFORE, THERE USED TO BE A PROCESS IN YOUR CODE CALLED THE SITE PLAN WITH DEVIATIONS PROCESS. IT WAS IN THE SAME SECTION AS YOUR SITE PLAN. AND WHAT THAT SAID WAS YOU WOULD STILL SUBMIT FOR SITE PLAN, BUT A THE PETITIONER DEVELOPER HAD AN OPTION. THERE WAS IT WAS A PROCESS. IT WAS AN OPTION TO GO THROUGH WHEREBY FOR A NEW PROJECT, IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, YOU COULDN'T JUST DO IT AS A LITTLE THING FOR AN EXISTING BUILDING. BUT IF YOU WERE DEVELOPING A NEW PROJECT, YOU COULD APPLY FOR A SITE PLAN WITH DEVIATIONS, WHICH IS WHERE YOU WOULD COME TO CITY COUNCIL AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO DEVELOP. BUT IN ORDER TO DO IT, IT WAS INTENDED TO BE A GIVE AND TAKE. I NEED YOU KNOW, THIS SETBACK IS 25FT. I'D LIKE IT TO BE 24, YOU KNOW, BUT I WILL REDUCE THE DENSITY FROM HERE TO THERE. YOU COULD NOT. IT WAS. THEY WERE ONLY DEVIATIONS WERE ONLY AVAILABLE FOR DIMENSIONAL STANDARDS. SO YOU COULD NOT DEVIATE FROM USES, DENSITY, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT YOU COULD ASK FOR. YOU KNOW, I NEED A BIGGER SIGN WHERE THERE ISN'T. SO ALMOST EVERY SINGLE PROJECT THAT WAS, I MEAN, I WOULD SAY 99% OF THE PROJECTS THAT WERE DEVELOPED IN THE CITY IN THAT TIMEFRAME WENT THROUGH THE SITE PLAN WITH DEVIATIONS PROCESS. AND THE REASON WAS THE DEVIATION THAT ALMOST EVERY SINGLE PROJECT ASKED FOR WAS THE SEVEN FEET OF ARCHITECTURAL EMBELLISHMENTS ON THE ROOF LINE. SO THE BENEFIT OF THAT WAS THAT CITY P, A, B AND CITY COUNCIL REVIEWED ALMOST EVERY SINGLE PROJECT THAT WAS DEVELOPED. NOT FOR THE USES, NOT FOR, BUT BECAUSE THEY WERE ASKING FOR THOSE DEVIATIONS. WELL, IN 2019, CITY COUNCIL ELIMINATED THE SITE PLAN WITH DEVIATIONS PROCESS TOOK THAT OFF THE BOOKS. SO THE INTENT THERE WAS THAT PROJECTS. WE DON'T WANT PROJECTS TO DEVIATE FROM OUR CODE. WE WANT PEOPLE TO DEVELOP IN THIS CITY CONSISTENT WITH OUR CODE, WHICH IS FINE. THAT'S GREAT. BUT THE PROBLEM WAS THEN ALL THE PROJECTS THAT CAME IN CONSISTENT WITH CODE NO LONGER REQUIRED REVIEW OR APPROVAL FROM PAB AND CITY COUNCIL, BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T ASKING FOR ANYTHING THAT DEVIATED FROM THE CODE. IF YOU WERE TO LOOK AT THE AGENDAS FROM JUST BEFORE WE WENT ON BREAK, WHEN I WAS ON THE PAB, LIKE THREE MEETINGS BEFORE AND THE ONES RIGHT AFTER, BEFORE THE CAMPAIGN BEGAN, AND COMPARE THOSE TO THE DRB BOARDS, I WOULD FIND THOSE FASCINATING. AND I TRUST ME, I PREPARE AND PUBLISH ALL OF THOSE AGENDAS, BOTH PAB AND DRB. IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T TRUST YOU, I'M SIMPLY JUST POINTING OUT WHAT I PERCEIVE TO BE SOMETHING INCONSISTENT WITH REALITY, AS I KNOW IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'RE WRONG, IT JUST MEANS MY REALITY COULD BE MESSED UP. I'LL JUST SAY THE OTHER ISSUE IS WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT OR WHEN THE COMMUNITY COMES TO US AND SAYS, WELL, DID YOU APPROVE ROOM ROOMS TO GO? DID YOU APPROVE THE PROJECT ON IN THE REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IN THE CRA? NO. ARE WE APPROVING THE ONE THAT'S IN ON FIFTH AVENUE THAT'S BEEN VACANT AND UNDER CONSTRUCTION FOR A YEAR? IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE LIKE FOR LIKE, NO, IT WENT STRAIGHT TO A DRB PROCESS AND TO DRB. IT'LL GET A RESOLUTION THAT'LL GIVE IT THE BUILDING PERMIT. CORRECT. THE BUILDING PERMIT. IS THAT THE NEXT STEP? YEAH. THEY'D BE APPLIED FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT SO IT DOESN'T COME HERE. AND [06:25:04] THIS ISN'T ABOUT MICROMANAGING. IT'S JUST THE PROCESS CHANGED IN 1986. IT CHANGED IN 94. IT CHANGED IN OH EIGHT. IT ALSO CHANGED IN 21. WE THOUGHT WE WERE MAKING A BIG CHANGE FOR THE DEVIATIONS, BUT I'M NOT SURE IF WE DIDN'T LOSE SOMETHING WHEN WE MADE THAT CHANGE IN 21, WE THOUGHT WE WERE CORRECTING, WHICH WE DID THE HEIGHT, NO MORE DEVIATIONS FOR THE HEIGHT BECAUSE THEY WERE GETTING ALL THE DEVIATIONS. BUT AGAIN, IF WE NEED TO CHANGE THE CODES, BECAUSE ARCHITECTURALLY WE WANT, WE NEED TO CHANGE THE CODES, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD DO. BUT COUNCIL SHOULD BE DOING THAT AND WE SHOULDN'T BE CIRCUMVENTING IT. SO IT'S NOT TRANSPARENT. THAT'S ALL THERE A A VOLUNTEER BOARD THAT SHOULD BE LOOKING AT COLOR AND ARCHITECTURAL AND EMBELLISHMENTS. NOT. OTHER THINGS THAT SHOULD NOT BE IN THEIR PURVIEW. AND THAT'S NOT NOT LOOK, WE DON'T NEED TO DO ANY MORE THINGS. BUT WHEN PEOPLE SAY, OH, COUNCIL, YOU'RE TRYING TO MICROMANAGE, ALL WE SEE IS A P, D OR A CONDITIONAL USE, WHICH IS RARE. AND OUTDOOR DINING, I MEAN, WE DON'T NEED A CITY COUNCIL, QUITE FRANKLY, IF WE WE STOPPED DOING OUTDOOR DINING. WE DON'T DO DRIVE THRUS ANYMORE OR UNDERGROUND PARKING. I'M NOT SURE THERE'S A REAL NEED FOR US TO HAVE ANY REVIEWS IF WE CONTINUE THIS PROCESS. AND IT REALLY IS WHY I'VE ASKED FOR THOSE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS OR DRB APPROVALS, BECAUSE WE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S HAPPENING AND WHO'S APPROVING IT. AND THAT'S JUST WHY WE HAVE TO GET THIS PROCESS RIGHT. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES, PLEASE. SO THEN I WOULD ASK YOU THE SAME QUESTION THEN. SO IF AN APPLICANT MEETS CODE, DOES EVERYTHING, EVERYTHING THEY'RE DOING IS PERMITTED BY OUR CODE AND ORDINANCE. WHAT WOULD YOU WANT THEIR PROCESS TO BE. WELL, AGAIN, WE MIGHT HAVE TO CHANGE THE CODES SO THAT IT FITS WITHIN WHAT THIS COMMUNITY OR THIS COUNCIL HAS AN EXPECTATION WHEN I MEAN, WE'VE HAD SEVERAL ISSUES AND MIRACLE MILE HAPPENS TO BE ONE OF THEM WHERE, YOU KNOW, THE CODES WERE THE CODES AND NOBODY KNEW UNTIL WE HAD THE DEVASTATION THAT THEY COULD BUILD AS HIGH AND WIDE. BUT I ALSO DIDN'T KNOW THAT THERE WAS A CODE THAT YOU CAN APPLY FOR CONSTRUCTION, A COASTAL CONSTRUCTION SETBACK WHEN YOU APPLY FOR A BUILDING PERMIT. I MEAN, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT USED TO BE THAT IT CAME TO COUNCIL AND COUNCIL HAD TO APPROVE THOSE THINGS. SO THERE'S JUST A LOT OF CHANGES THAT HAVE HAPPENED. AND TO ME, THIS IS NOT MAKING IT MORE BURDENSOME. THIS IS MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE PROTECTING OUR COMMUNITY. THEY CAN APPLY $50 TO GET A COASTAL CONSTRUCTION SETBACK. THAT'S JUST THAT'S CRAZY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RESILIENCY AND PROTECTING PROPERTY VALUES AND PROPERTY. SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET THERE. AND, AND IT TAKES THE COMMUNITY TO WORK WITH US TO MAKE SOME CHANGES THAT I THINK WILL BENEFIT THIS COMMUNITY AND PLANNING, PLANNING OUR FUTURE. SO I WONDER, SO WHAT WOULD IT LOOK LIKE IF SOMEBODY DOES EVERYTHING COME BEFORE COUNCIL, THEN? I DON'T THINK EVERYTHING NEEDS TO COME BEFORE COUNCIL, BUT I DO BELIEVE WE NEED TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S BEING ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED VERSUS NOT COMING TO COUNCIL, BECAUSE THEY DON'T NEED THE THREE THINGS I MENTIONED. AND MAYBE IT'S MORE CONDITIONAL USE. YEAH. ANY ANY OF THE ENTITLEMENTS, NONCONFORMITY, CONDITIONAL USE, VARIANCE, PARKING, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THOSE PETITIONS TRANSIENT OR. YEAH. OR IF IT'S IN A PLAN DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES TO YOU, A SITE OR JUST A SITE PLAN, I UNDERSTAND THOSE. I'M JUST SUGGESTING IF THEY. IF THEY'RE FOLLOWING OUR RULES AS WE'VE WRITTEN THEM, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT WOULD COME TO COUNCIL. WELL, AGAIN, JUST LIKE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE COMP PLAN, DOES THE COMP PLAN HAVE ENOUGH STRENGTH IN AREAS THAT WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR CITY, OR DO WE NEED TO BE MORE LENIENT? DO WE NEED TO BE STRONGER HERE? OUR CODES ARE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY SAID IT TODAY, A PETITIONER, OUR CODES ARE OLD. THEY NEED TO BE UPDATED. WELL, SOMETIMES THEY'RE NOT BENEFITING US ANYMORE EITHER. AND WE NEED TO CHANGE THEM. YEAH, OKAY. I'M FOR THAT. I'M JUST WONDERING, IS THERE A POINT AT WHICH WE. OKAY. LET'S ASSUME WE FIX THE CODES. WOULD WE STILL NEED TO SEE EVERY PROJECT? WELL, I CERTAINLY HOPE NOT, BUT I DON'T THINK DRB NEEDS TO SEE MORE PROJECTS THAN CITY COUNCIL OR PAB, BECAUSE OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND THEY SHOULD BE SEEING MORE OF PROJECTS THAN [06:30:02] DRB. WELL, I DIDN'T KNOW DRB WAS DOING PLANNING AND I DIDN'T KNOW DRB WAS APPROVING PROJECTS, SO I THOUGHT DRB WAS DOING JUST WHAT THEY DO, WHICH IS THE DESIGN. THAT'S EXTERIOR STUFF. IT'S WHAT'S THIS THING LOOK LIKE AND DOES. ARE THE WINDOWS BIG ENOUGH AND WHAT DOES I MEAN, IT'S ARCHITECTURAL ESTHETICS. AND IF THEY'RE DOING BEYOND THAT, AM I WRONG WITH THAT? OH, SO THE, THE WAY I EXPLAINED THE PROCESS WHERE FOR A CODE COMPLIANT, IT WOULD GO TO PRELIMINARY DRB, THEY'RE JUST LOOKING AT EXACTLY WHAT THEIR PURVIEW, THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING, THEN THE SITE PLAN PROCESS. THAT'S WHERE IT'S CONFIRMED THAT THIS IS CODE COMPLIANT, AND NOT JUST BY PLANNING, BUT BY EVERY DIFFERENT DEPARTMENT IN THE CITY. THAT PROJECT WOULD NOT GO TO FINAL DRB UNTIL IT IS FOUND SUFFICIENT BY CITY STAFF. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS WHEN WHEN THE PROJECT THEN GOES TO DRB FOR FINAL, THEY'RE RELYING THAT THE. THEY'RE STILL ONLY LOOKING AT THE DESIGN, BUT THEY'RE. THEY'RE NOT APPROVING THE PARKING. THEY'RE NOT APPROVING THE TRAFFIC. THEY'RE NOT APPROVING ANY OF THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE RELYING ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE SITE PLAN APPROVAL. THAT CITY STAFF HAS ALREADY CONFIRMED THAT IT MEETS THE CODE. SO THEN IT WOULD NEVER GET TO THEM IF IT DIDN'T MEET OUR QUALIFICATIONS. CORRECT. HAS TO BE FOUND SUFFICIENT AT SITE PLANNING, ANYTHING DRB, ANYTHING. SO I MEAN, I THINK WHERE THE CONFUSION COMES IS YES, THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE WHOLE PROJECT, SO THEY ARE LOOKING AT THE PROJECT, BUT WHAT THEY ARE REVIEWING IT FOR AND WHAT THEIR APPROVAL IS FOR IS NOT THE ZONING, THE PARKING, THE TRAFFIC, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE. THAT'S NOT WHAT THE DRB IS. THEIR APPROVAL DOES NOT CONFIRM CONSISTENCY WITH ANY OF THOSE THINGS. THEIR APPROVAL CONFIRMS CONSISTENCY. WITH THAT. THE DESIGN STANDARDS IN CHAPTER TWO. SURE, THEY CAN SEE ALL OF THAT IN THE PLANNING, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE THEY'RE NOT THE BOSS OF THAT. SO IT'S NOT THEIR JURISDICTION. YEAH. AND I THINK PEOPLE CONFLATE THAT. AND I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THINK, WELL, DRB GETS TO SAY IF IT GOES OR NOT, AND THAT'S JUST NOT THE CASE. I MEAN, IT GETS CONFLATED IN THE MEDIA, I GUESS. I MEAN, YOU SEE IT ALL THE TIME. OH, CITY APPROVES THIS PROJECT AND IT WAS A PRELIMINARY DRB HEARING, RIGHT? THAT'S NOT GREAT. SO THAT'S NOT THE CITY APPROVING ANYTHING. BUT I APPRECIATE YOU CLARIFYING THAT. THANK YOU. AND I THINK THIS DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, IS SO HEALTHY BECAUSE WE WANT THIS SITE PLANNING PROCESS. AND IF YOU CAN HELP US IN MAKING SURE THE SITE PLANNING PROCESS IS EASIER BECAUSE I HEAR, OH, I GOT APPROVAL FROM P A B, I GOT APPROVAL FROM COUNCIL, AND NOW I'M CONTINUALLY GOING BACK AND FORTH TO FOR A REVIEW. HOW CAN WE MAKE THAT PROCESS BETTER, MORE EFFICIENT SO THAT IT IS GOING FROM APPROVAL TO SITE PLAN APPROVAL TO A BUILDING PERMIT? THIS IS WHERE MARK AND I WILL COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH EACH OTHER ON MY END. I THINK THAT THE PROCESS IS PERFECTLY EFFICIENT. IF THE PLANS ARE GOOD. I THINK IF WHAT YOU SUBMIT TO US IS CODE COMPLIANT. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST MY SIDE OF THINGS. SO ARE THERE PROJECTS THAT GET THROUGH SITE PLAN REVIEW IN 1 OR 2 ROUNDS? YEAH. ARE THERE PROJECTS THAT TAKE SIX, SEVEN, EIGHT ROUNDS? YEP. IT'S ALL IN HOW THEY HOW THEY ADDRESS THE COMMENTS. YOU WILL ALSO FIND WE DO PUBLISH ON THE CITY WEBSITE, THE SITE PLAN SUMMARY REPORT. YOU CAN SEE IN THERE. AND THAT'S WHY WE PROVIDE THE DATES. THERE WILL BE SOMEONE WILL SAY, I'VE BEEN IN SITE PLAN FOR A YEAR AND WE ISSUE AN RTI AND THEY SUBMIT PLANS FOUR MONTHS LATER. AND HOW CAN THAT TIMING IS TOO. THERE'S THERE'S TWO, TWO PARTIES INVOLVED IN THE TIMING OF, OF THAT PROCESS. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHY WE, WE NEED TO HELP YOU IN MAKING SURE THAT IF IT IS CODE COMPLIANT, COMPLIANT, IS THAT WHERE THIS BOARD AND THIS COMMUNITY SAYS THAT THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SUPPORTS THESE CODES? AND IF IT DOESN'T, THEN WE NEED TO LOOK AT THOSE CODES. I MEAN, IF THEY'RE TRYING THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A CODE THAT'S A PROBLEM. LET'S LOOK AT IT. WELL, AND THAT'S, I, YOU KNOW, I IT'S PART OF THE JOB. IT'S THE TERRITORY. BUT I THINK A LOT OF TIMES PLANNING STAFF BECOMES THE BAD GUY IN WHEN THESE DEVELOPMENTS GO THROUGH BECAUSE YOU KNOW, HOW COULD HOW COULD YOU APPROVE THIS? WELL, YOU KNOW, THE MIRACLE MILE IS A GREAT EXAMPLE. HOW COULD I DENY THAT THIS IS THE LOT COVERAGE THAT'S ASSIGNED. THIS IS THE HEIGHT THAT'S ASSIGNED. THIS IS THESE ARE THE SETBACKS THAT ARE ASSIGNED TO THIS PROPERTY. IF AN ARCHITECT COMES IN WITH A DRAWING THAT MEETS ALL OF THOSE PARAMETERS IN THE CODE, I CAN'T DENY THAT BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE IT, YOU KNOW? SO I AGREE WITH YOU, IF THERE ARE AREAS WHERE YOU'RE CONSISTENTLY SEEING PROJECTS THAT ARE IN A, IN A SIMILAR WAY ARE A PROBLEM, THEN THAT'S A CODE THAT NEEDS TO BE AMENDED. THAT'S NOT A PROCESS FAILURE. THAT'S A CODE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THOSE SAME PROJECTS, EVEN IF THEY CAME TO CITY COUNCIL, WHAT ARE WE DENYING? [06:35:01] IF THAT SAME CODE COMPLIANT PROCESS CAME TO CITY COUNCIL, WHAT YOU KNOW. RIGHT. AND I'M JUST GOING TO BE VERY CLEAR AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN, THIS IS NOT TO FIGHT THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY. THIS IS TO HOPEFULLY PROTECT WHAT WE HAVE AND MAKE SURE THAT IF WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR CODE CODES OR PROCESSES, THAT WE CAN DO IT AND WE CAN DO IT IN A MUCH MORE EFFICIENT MANNER. AS FAR AS THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS. SO I HAVE BARTON AND THEN AND THEN KRUL. YEAH. SO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PROCESS TODAY. THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT AND TRYING TO MAKE THE PROCESS EFFICIENTLY AS EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE. AND THE REALITY IS IF THEY ARE MEETING ALL OF OUR CODES, IT SHOULD BE IT SHOULD NOT BE COMING IN FRONT OF THE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE EVEN IF IT DID COME IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL, WE ARE GOING TO SIT HERE AS A CITY COUNCIL AND GO, THEY'VE CHECKED ALL THE BOXES. WHAT ARE WE SAYING NO TO OTHER THAN THE ONLY THING WE'RE IF WE WE DON'T APPROVE THAT THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT AND THAT SCENARIO. WHAT WE'RE DOING IS WE'RE WE'RE SAYING, NO, WE'RE NOT SAYING NO TO THAT PROJECT. WE'RE SAYING YES TO A LAWSUIT. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS THAT. IF THEY HAVE CHECKED ALL THE BOXES AND THEY HAVE A CODE COMPLIANT PROJECT IN FRONT OF US, WE HAVE TO SAY YES, BECAUSE THEY HAVE A PROJECT IN FRONT OF US THAT MEETS ALL OF OUR STANDARDS. SO THOSE, THOSE PROJECTS SHOULD BE COMING IN FRONT OF US. AND THIS IS WHERE I'M GOING TO SUGGEST WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS HERE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EFFICIENCY OF THIS PROCESS. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW. WHAT WE. AND THE OTHER THING THAT WE FIND OURSELVES TALKING ABOUT IS CHANGING OUR CODES. AND IF WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR CODES, WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR CODES. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT TODAY. WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT THIS PROCESS, THIS, THIS APPROVAL PROCESS. IF WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR CODE SO THAT THE CODES FORCE MORE PROJECTS TO COME IN FRONT OF US AS A CITY COUNCIL, BECAUSE WE WILL THEN HAVE TO APPROVE OR NOT APPROVE SOMETHING BASED ON THE MORE STRINGENT CODES, WHICH IS GOING TO BRING ME TO ANOTHER ISSUE ARE MORE STRINGENT CODES. THERE SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE TOPIC ABOUT THAT AS WELL. SO IF WE CHANGE OUR CODE TO MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR OUR, FOR OUR, OUR BUILDING COMMUNITY TO GET STUFF DONE, I BELIEVE WE'RE IN VIOLATION OF SOMETHING CALLED SB 180. SO ALL OF A SUDDEN, BOOM, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T ACTUALLY SIT DOWN AND CHANGE OUR CODE TO MAKE IT MORE STRINGENT SO THAT MORE PROJECTS COME IN FRONT OF US FOR APPROVAL SO WE CAN TALK TO THEM. WE CAN TALK TO OUR BLUE IN THE FACE HERE, TALK TILL THE COWS COME HOME. BUT THE REALITY IS WE CAN'T MAKE CHANGES LIKE THAT UNTIL OCTOBER 20TH, WHEN SB 180 DISAPPEAR. SO YOU KNOW, AND MAYOR, YOU MAY BE RIGHT. WE MAY NEED TO JUMP ALL OVER OUR CODES. AND IF WE DON'T, IF WE THINK THAT THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE DEFICIENT IN SOME WAY, SOME FASHION. AND WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO PUT MORE STRICT CODES IN PLACE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S A TOPIC THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED THAT CAN'T BE DONE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE HOME RULE HAS BEEN TAKEN AWAY FROM US, AND WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CHANGE OUR CODES TO MAKE THEM IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE MORE STRINGENT. SO THE REALITY IS, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS FOCUS ON THIS PROCESS RIGHT HERE AND FIGURE OUT WHETHER THE THE WAY IT IS NOW IS GOOD, OR GO WITH OPTION B OR OPTION C. AND AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, I AGREE WITH COACH ON THE THE EXHIBITS HERE. DRB LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION REAL QUICK. IS THERE A CRITERIA FOR SOMEONE TO BE ON THE DESIGN REVIEW REVIEW BOARD? WHAT WHAT IS THAT CRITERIA? AND MAKE SURE YOU CHECK. WE HAD TO MAKE CHANGES BECAUSE WE COULDN'T GET ALL ARCHITECTS. WELL, THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING. AND THIS IS NOT THIS IS NOT A LOADED QUESTION. THIS IS AN HONEST QUESTION. I WAS PRETTY SURE THAT WE HAD SOME SOME CRITERIA FOR THAT PARTICULAR BOARD. AND THEN I'M GOING TO GO ASK. I'M GOING TO ASK YOU WHY WE HAVE THAT CRITERIA. SO BE PREPARED FOR THAT ANSWER. SO COMPOSITION BOARD SHALL BE COMPRISED OF FIVE MEMBERS AND ONE ALTERNATE WHO SHALL SERVE WITHOUT COMPENSATION. NOTWITHSTANDING SECTION 2-401. TO THE EXTENT THAT QUALIFIED VOLUNTEERS ARE AVAILABLE. AND THEN HERE ARE YOUR CRITERIA. ONE AT LEAST TWO OF THE MEMBERS SHALL BE ARCHITECTS, LICENSED OR REGISTERED TO PRACTICE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, AND AT LEAST ONE MEMBER SHALL BE A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT, LICENSED OR REGISTERED TO PRACTICE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. THE OTHER TWO MEMBERS AND THE ALTERNATE SHALL BE PERSONS WHO, AS A RESULT OF TRAINING, EXPERIENCE, ATTAINMENTS OR INTERESTS, ARE QUALIFIED TO ANALYZE AND INTERPRET DESIGN, LANDSCAPING, LIGHTING, SIGNAGE OR ENVIRONMENTAL INFORMATION TO APPRAISE RESOURCE USES IN LIGHT OF THE POLICIES SET FORTH IN THIS DIVISION, AND TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE SOCIALISTS RECREATIONAL AND CULTURAL NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY. PERSONS HAVING EXPERTISE OR INTEREST IN RELATED MATTERS SUCH AS CONSERVATION, RECREATION, DESIGN, URBAN PLANNING, CULTURAL, HISTORICAL, PRESERVATION AND ECOLOGICAL AND ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCES SHALL, INSOFAR AS PRACTICABLE, BE CONSIDERED FOR APPOINTMENT TO THE BOARD. NUMBER TWO, MEMBERS WHO ARE ARCHITECTS OR LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS SHALL BE LEGAL RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OR OF COLLIER COUNTY. OTHER BOARD MEMBERS SHALL RESIDE IN THE CITY. HOWEVER, AT ALL TIMES, A MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS SHALL BE LEGAL RESIDENTS OF THE CITY. AND I ASSUME THAT THERE'S SOME RATIONALE FOR HAVING THAT CRITERIA FOR THE MEMBERS OF THIS PARTICULAR BOARD. IT'S A DESIGN BOARD, SO WE WANT THEM TO BE, YOU KNOW, DESIGN PROFESSIONALS, PROBABLY THE MORE DETAILED THAN JUST THE COLOR PALETTE. YES. LICENSED ARCHITECTURE. SO MY POINT IS THAT THAT BOARD IS VERY, VERY [06:40:01] IMPORTANT. AND FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD FROM THE DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING COMMUNITY AND ARCHITECTURAL COMMUNITY, THEY ARE A BENEFIT TO THIS PROCESS, SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT TO THE PROCESS. SO AGAIN, I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO TO WHAT WE AND NOTHING WOULD MAKE ME HAPPIER. EVERYBODY, IF THEY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ME. EFFICIENCY IS IS HIGH ON MY LIST. SO I WILL GO BACK TO WHAT COACH SAID A LITTLE BIT EARLIER. AND THAT WAS, YES, WE NEED TO HAVE THE DRB. I LIKE HAVING IT IN THE BEGINNING BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY BRING TO THE TABLE FOR THE GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS. AND I THINK THAT THAT HAVING THEM HIT HIT THE PROJECT'S FIRST TO GIVE SOME, SOME TYPE OF INPUT TO THE NEXT PROCESS, WHICH IS NO LONGER IN THIS SCENARIO, GOING TO BE CALLED THE SITE PLAN PROCESS, BUT THE GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN PROCESS. SO TO GIVE THEM SOME, SOME, SOME DIRECTION IN REFERENCE TO TO WHAT THE DRB BRINGS TO THE TABLE ON THE DESIGN ASPECTS OF THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT. AND AGAIN, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS FROM AN EFFICIENCY STANDPOINT, IF THEY'RE CHECKING ALL THE BOXES AND THEN IT SHOULD BE GOING STRAIGHT TO BUILDING PERMIT DOES NOT NEED TO BE COMING IN FRONT OF US. AND IF WE WANT IT TO COME IN FRONT OF US BECAUSE WE NEED TO MAKE OUR CODES MORE, MORE DIFFICULT OR STRINGENT, THEN WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR CODES. WE DON'T NEED TO MESS WITH THIS, THIS PROCESS RIGHT HERE. BECAUSE IF WE DO, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO STEP ON TOES AND WE'RE GOING TO FIND OURSELVES IN HOT WATER. IN REFERENCE TO, TO NOT APPROVING PLANS, PROJECTS THAT SHOULD BE APPROVED BECAUSE THEY CAME IN FRONT OF US AND WE HAD WE PUT MORE SCRUTINY ON IT THAN IT NEEDED TO BE. CAN I TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT? SO THE SOMETIMES NOW DRB IS NOT GOING TO SIT THERE AND NEGOTIATE. THEY COULD, BUT THEY DON'T. SOMETIMES THEY NEGOTIATE ON THINGS. BUT COUNCIL CAN CAN EXACTLY WHAT ERIC JUST SAID. WE CAN NEGOTIATE. HEY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL GIVE YOU THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOUR DRIVE THROUGH YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR THINGS THAT THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT. WE COULD NEGOTIATE THAT ROOMS TO GO PROJECT. WE COULD HAVE SAID, HEY, WE WANT YOU TO PUT MORE TREES BACK THERE TO BUFFER FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD BACK THERE WITH THAT CONCRETE WALL. I'M TALKING ABOUT MAKING A PROJECT BETTER, NOT NOT MAKING IT MORE STRINGENT AND DIFFICULT. AND I HEAR, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. AND WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT DRB DOES THAT FOR US, AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THAT CRITERIA FOR THAT PARTICULAR BOARD, BECAUSE THEY BRING EXPERTISE TO THE TABLE THAT, FRANKLY, WE DON'T HAVE UP HERE. WE DON'T NONE OF US HAVE A LANDSCAPING. AT LEAST. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, GUYS. NONE OF US UP HERE HAVE A LANDSCAPING ARCHITECTURAL DEGREE OR EXPERIENCE IN THAT FIELD. WELL, GUESS WHAT WE CAN SAY, HEY, WE WANT MORE TREES, BUT THE GUY SITTING ON DRB THAT HAS THAT EXPERTISE AND HAS THAT 40 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN THAT FIELD, THAT'S WHAT HE'S DOING. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE'S TALKING TO THE TO THE PETITIONERS ABOUT IN REFERENCE TO THE PROJECT THAT'S COMING IN FRONT OF THEM SO THAT THEY ARE, ARE ARE HITTING ON THE DESIGN ASPECTS OF A PROJECT TO MAKE THEM AS, AS, AS, AS GOOD AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN BE BASED ON THE CRITERIA THAT ARE SET FORTH BY OUR CODE. YEAH, I JUST AGREE WITH YOU IN SOME ASPECTS, BUT I THINK IT'S A FINE LINE SOMETIMES ETHICALLY, ETHICALLY, THERE ARE SOME ISSUES OF, YOU KNOW, OF WHO'S ON THE BOARD AND THE DIRECTION AND, AND HOW THEY CREATE A PROJECT. SO IT'S, IT'S NOT QUITE AS CLEAN. AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE CHOSEN TO BE ON THAT BOARD ARE CHOSEN WISELY. AND I, I'M A, I'M GONNA SUGGEST THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S US. THAT'S WHERE OUR INPUT COMES INTO PLAY. WE MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE CHOOSING PROPER PEOPLE FOR EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THESE BOARDS THAT WE APPOINT MEMBERS TO. THAT IS OUR JOB UP HERE. AND IF AND IF WE DIDN'T APPOINT SOMEBODY TO THAT BOARD THAT WASN'T APPROPRIATE. NUMBER ONE, WE SHOULD DO A BETTER JOB. NUMBER TWO, WE SHOULD REMOVE AND PUT SOMEBODY ELSE IN THERE. IF THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE JOB DONE. WELL, I YEAH, I'M NOT INSINUATING ANYTHING LIKE THAT, EXCEPT FOR SOMETIMES YOU DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR. I'M JUST SAYING IN GENERAL, IF SOMEBODY'S NOT GETTING THE JOB DONE, IF AN APPOINTEE OF OURS IS NOT GETTING THE JOB DONE, THEN IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO REMOVE THAT PERSON. BUT IT'S ALSO OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO TO MAKE SURE TO TRY TO MAKE SURE WE'RE APPOINTING THE RIGHT PEOPLE TO BEGIN WITH. SO AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD IS GOING TO DO ON OUR BEHALF BECAUSE THEY ARE APPOINTED BY US. THANK YOU. PENMAN. I CAN SUPPORT THIS PARTICULAR ITERATION FOR THIS REASON. I SPOKE WITH A COUPLE OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE DRB, AND THEY PRETTY WELL ASSURED ME THAT THAT SECOND HEARING HAS A LOT MORE TO DO WITH COSMETICS THAN IT DOES ABOUT DESIGN. AND QUITE FRANKLY, IF WE HAVE A BUILDING OUT THERE THAT'S PAINTED PURPLE, IT'D BE PRETTY EASY TO CHANGE THE COLOR. SO I SUPPORT THIS ITERATION OF VERY HEAVILY ELIMINATE THE SECOND HEARING, B SHE'S SUPPORTING B B YEAH. IS THAT TRUE? ELIMINATE THE SECOND HEARING. OKAY, SO THAT WOULD BE B. MAYOR, IF I MAY. JUST FROM A LEGAL POINT OF VIEW, I TEND TO APPRECIATE THIS PROCESS BECAUSE WHEN ALL THESE ARE QUASI JUDICIAL HEARINGS, RIGHT? AND SO THE RECORD IS MADE AT THAT HEARING. SO WHEN [06:45:01] YOU HAVE DOUBLE TWO, YOU HAVE A PRELIMINARY AND A FINAL. IT'S ALWAYS KIND OF BOTHERED ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LIKE, OKAY, IS THIS A CONTINUATION OF THAT HEARING OR IS IT A SECOND HEARING? SO THE ONE HEARING IS PREFERABLE FROM LEGALS POINT OF VIEW. BUT I ALSO WANT TO JUST CONFIRM THAT LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, IF A PROJECT COMES IN AND IT'S CONDITIONED ON GETTING A VARIANCE OR A CUP, AND MAYBE THAT VARIANCE OR CUP IS NOT APPROVED, THAT LET'S JUST SAY MAYBE IT'S A REAR YARD SETBACK OF FIVE FEET AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE AND THAT THAT MAY CHANGE THE DESIGN. SO I GUESS IN THE STAFF REPORT OR WHATEVER WE HAVE, IT WOULD BE CONDITIONED ON APPROVAL OF THE OTHER ENTITLEMENTS. AND IF THEY DON'T GET IT, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE A CHANCE TO GO BACK TO DRB WITH THIS WITH A NEW DESIGN. IS THAT IS THAT KIND OF WHAT YOU'RE THINKING? ABSOLUTELY. AND THAT'S YOU'LL SEE THAT IN SITE PLAN. SO YOU'LL SEE SITE PLAN EFFICIENCY LETTERS FROM STAFF WHERE WE SAY OUR, OUR DETERMINATION THAT THIS IS SUFFICIENT IS BASED ON COUNCIL APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE TRANSIENT LODGING ASPECT OR COUNCIL APPROVAL OF A CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE DRIVE THROUGH THAT YOU'RE PROPOSING. NOW, SHOULD COUNCIL DENY THOSE AND THEY HAVE TO REDESIGN THAT PROJECT, THOSE PRIOR APPROVALS NO LONGER APPLY. RIGHT. AND SO THERE'S A THING CALLED RENDITION. SO IF IT'S IF IF SOMETHING DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY OTHER ENTITLEMENTS, LIKE A VARIANCE OR CONDITIONAL USE, AND THEY JUST NEED TO GO THROUGH DRB TO LOOK AT THEM, THEY LOOK AT MORE THAN JUST PAINT COLORS, THEY LOOK AT MATERIALS AND IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE. I SIT ON THAT BOARD AND I THINK THEY ALL DO A WONDERFUL JOB, BUT THE, THE, THE APPEAL PERIOD OF THAT, BECAUSE THAT IS THAT WOULD BE A FINAL DECISION. SO WE'D HAVE TO TALK ABOUT LIKE, WHEN DOES THE RENDITION OCCUR FOR AN APPEAL TO OCCUR? AND WHERE DOES THAT APPEAL GO? BECAUSE I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THAT WE'RE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. RIGHT. SO WHAT ARE THEY APPEALING? I MEAN, WELL, OF OF VOLUNTARY BOARD. NO, IT'S IT'S A FINAL DECISION ONLY. AND THERE ARE. SO THE DRB DECISIONS ARE ALL BASED ON AND THIS IS HOW THE STAFF REPORTS ARE STRUCTURED. THERE ARE CRITERIA IN THE CODE. WHAT WAS ONE OF THE MOST RECENT AMENDMENTS. IT'S SECTION 2-479. IT'S THE ARCHITECTURAL LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURAL AND LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN STANDARDS. SO WHEN THE DRB, YOU KNOW, VOTES TO APPROVE OR DENY, IT'S BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH THESE CRITERIA. AND THERE ARE 14 CRITERIA THAT THAT'S BASED UPON. SO IF SOMEONE WERE TO APPEAL, THEY WOULD APPEAL THAT DECISION THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, WERE INCORRECT IN THEIR DETERMINATION. BUT WE TALKED ABOUT NOT PUTTING THAT AS A RESOLUTION, BUT AS A RECOMMENDATION. YEAH, I THINK THERE'S, YOU KNOW, COULD POTENTIALLY BE A DIFFERENT A DIFFERENT MECHANISM TO MEMORIALIZE THAT DECISION. WE'VE ALWAYS CALLED IT A DRB RESOLUTION. WE'VE NEVER CALLED IT A RESOLUTION CAPITAL R, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN A DRB RESOLUTION. AND TO BE FAIR, IT WAS JUST THAT'S JUST ALWAYS BEEN THE MECHANISM THAT WE, YOU KNOW, RECORD OR MEMORIALIZE THOSE DECISIONS. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT IN THE SAME FORMAT AS YOUR, YOUR RESOLUTIONS. IT'S NOT RECORDED THE SAME WAY AS YOUR RESOLUTION. SO I THINK, YEAH, WE COULD. SO ON THIS SECTION, IT WOULD GO TO DRB AND THEN TO ADMINISTRATIVE GDP. SO THEN THE RENDITION OF THAT WOULDN'T OCCUR UNTIL AFTER THAT. SO THAT'S WHEN THE APPEAL PERIOD WOULD COME IN. SO THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A FINAL ORDER. IT'S A ORDER THAT'S CONTINGENT ON GDP APPROVAL. CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. AND OR IF THEY REQUIRED COUNCIL OR ANYTHING. YEAH, EXACTLY. THANK YOU. SORRY. GET IN THE WEEDS. NO, NO THANK YOU. BECAUSE THIS IS HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK. I HAVE SCHULTZ, I'M JUST LOOKING BACK TO AUGUST 27TH LAST YEAR. DRB. YES. A RESOLUTION DETERMINING THE PETITION BLAH, BLAH RELATED TO PRELIMINARY DESIGN REVIEW OF A NEW PRIVATE RESIDENCE ATOP AN EAST GARAGE OF A PROPERTY OWNED BY BLAH BLAH BLAH. THAT'S LAND USAGE OF A NEW DEVELOPMENT OF A PROPERTY THAT THE PAB NEVER SAW. THAT WAS ACTUALLY THEY DIDN'T PURSUE THAT, BUT THAT WOULD GO THAT'S IN A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT THAT'S IN BAYFRONT. SO THAT'S A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD COME BEFORE YOU, THAT WOULD COME BEFORE PAB AND CITY COUNCIL, BUT IT WAS LISTED HERE ON THE DRB, BUT IT NEVER HIT PAB. OBVIOUSLY, IF THEY DIDN'T DO IT, IT DOESN'T MATTER. BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO TO MY COMMENTS EARLIER, THINGS THAT WOULD GO ON THE DRB AGENDA THAT NEVER GOT TO US ON THE PAB. THIS ONE WAS SORT OF FIT THAT IN MY JUDGMENT. SO THE WAY THAT THE PROCESS WORKS TODAY IS THEY WILL ALWAYS GO TO DRB FIRST. THAT'S THE FIRST STEP. SO DRB WILL ALWAYS BE THE FIRST STEP. THEN IF THEY PURSUE THE PROJECT [06:50:05] PAST DRB, THEN IT WOULD GO THROUGH THE SITE PLAN PROCESS THROUGH THE CITY, AND THEN ON TO THE PA AND COUNCIL. SO IF THAT IF THEY PURSUE THAT PROJECT, THAT WILL COME BEFORE PAB AND COUNCIL, BUT IT WILL ALWAYS START WITH THE DRB. THAT'LL BE THE FIRST STOP. AND THEN IS THERE A CHANCE THAT YOU WOULD SHORTSTOP IT AS STAFF AND NEVER SEE THE PAB? YOU WOULD JUST DETERMINE THE PROPERTY WOULD MOVE FORWARD BASED ON STAFF, WOULDN'T STAFF WOULDN'T SHORT STAFF IT? IT WOULD BE THERE'S A REASON WHICH WOULD PROMULGATE IT GOING TO PAB OR THERE WOULDN'T BE A REASON. IT WOULDN'T BE THAT THEY. IT IT DOESN'T IT SHOULDN'T FLUCTUATE. SO FOR THE CASE OF THAT ONE, HAD IT GONE FORWARD, IT WOULD HAVE GONE TO PAB BECAUSE OF THAT ONE'S IN A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. SO THAT'S ALL. I'M GUESSING IT'S NOT A DECISION. IT'S THERE ARE CRITERIA UPON WHICH IT AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGERS IT OR IT SAYS IT SHALL NOT GO. AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK MR. DICKMAN AND OTHERS WERE SPEAKING ABOUT. THAT'S A CHANGE TO THE CODE, WHICH REQUIRES THE PATH CHANGE TO THERE. BUT AS LONG AS THAT CODE SAYS THAT IF IT IS ONE OF THOSE CONDITIONS ARE MET, IT'S A DIRECT APPROVAL. SO I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT BECAUSE STAFF SHOULD BE DOING IT CONSISTENTLY AND APPLYING THE CODE AND THOSE CRITERIA, WHICH WOULD TRIGGER IS DEFINED IN YOUR CODE. AND WITHOUT CHANGING THOSE CRITERIA, THEY SHOULD ALWAYS ADHERE TO THE CODE. BUT IF YOU'RE CHANGING THE POTENTIAL USE OF A PROPERTY, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? YOU'RE CHANGING THE DENSITIES TO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ALLOWED TO USE. IT'S ABOVE A GARAGE. THEY WANTED TO PUT A SECOND STORY ON A GARAGE. THAT'S WHAT I'M GUESSING I DIDN'T. LOOK, I'M JUST FLASHING THROUGH HERE AND THAT'S JUST JUMPED OUT AT ME. SO HOW WOULD THAT NOT CHANGE THE LAND USE WHERE? IT'S A GARAGE. SHE HAD ALREADY INDICATED THAT ONE WOULD COME TO YOU. CORRECT. SO IT WAS ON THE DRB AGENDA. IT'S BECAUSE IT'S THERE. THE FIRST PART OF THE CRITERIA, THEY'RE ALWAYS FIRST. IT WAS INITIAL DRB TO START WITH I SEE. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THEY PULLED THAT THOUGH RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW, I DIDN'T GET IT. IT'S STOPPED WHEREVER IT IS IN THE PROCESS. IT'S NOT RIPE YET FOR PAB AND CITY COUNCIL. IF I COULD JUST TO CLARIFY, DRB SHOULD ALWAYS SEE MORE THAN PAB BECAUSE THEY'RE THE FIRST STOP SHOP. AND THEN AND THEN THEY LOOK AT IT AND SAY, THIS STINKS. AND THEY'RE LIKE, I'M NOT DOING THAT. THEN ACCORDING TO YOUR CURRENT FLOOR, THE WAY IT'S BEEN WORKING SINCE I'VE BEEN ON IS CORRECT. DRB WOULD SEE A A BUNCH MORE THAN WOULD EVER GET TO PAB BECAUSE IT STILL HADN'T EVEN BEEN TO STAFF. AND BY THE TIME IT GETS TO DRB SAYS YES AND STAFF SAYS, OH, LOOK, YOU DO THIS, THIS AND THIS, THEY'RE LIKE, OH, THE JUICE AIN'T WORTH THE SQUEEZE ON THIS THING, OR YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO COUNCIL FOR SURE. WELL, I'M NOT MESSING WITH THAT, BUT THAT'S WHY YOU WOULD SEE A BUNCH OF STUFF THAT THEY GOT THAT YOU NEVER GOT, AND THEY WEREN'T DEALING WITH THE LAND USE ANYWAY. THEY WERE DEALING WITH THE STUFF THEY DEAL THEY WERE DEALING WITH. THAT'S PROBABLY RIGHT. YEAH. OKAY. SO I HAVE CARL. YEAH. I HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THE MIRACLE MILE IN THAT PARKING GARAGE WALL THAT PEOPLE ARE WALKING AROUND WITH PICTURES ON AND HOW I MEAN, THAT WAS TOTALLY COMPLIANT. DRB PAST. IT NEVER CAME TO COUNCIL. IT WAS, YOU KNOW, A SITUATION WHERE EVERYTHING'S COMPLIANT, RIGHT. AND THE COMMUNITY IS SO UPSET BECAUSE THE DEVELOPER BASICALLY PUT ALL THEIR GARBAGE OUT ON THE CURB, THE UGLY WALL, THE UTILITY THING, ALL THAT. SO THEIR INTERIOR, THEY'VE GOT THE BEST VIEWS AND ALL THAT. AND MEANTIME, THE WHOLE COMMUNITY HAS GOT TO LOOK AT IT OR GO UP AND DOWN THE SIDEWALK AND LOOK AT THAT. AND THIS IS WHY I THINK, YOU KNOW, A CASE WHERE THIS SHOULD HAVE WENT TO COUNCIL BECAUSE WE'RE THE ELECTED OFFICIALS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING WE'LL BE MORE SENSITIVE TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE VERSUS, OH, IT'S COMPLIANT, BOOM. YOU KNOW, AND I THINK WE NEED SOME KIND OF PROCESS TO SAFEGUARD THIS IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE IT COULD BE COMPLIANT AND DRB JUST PASSES IT AND THEN THE CIRCUMVENTS THE PROCESS. I MEAN, I JUST THE UTILITIES IS A TOUGH ONE. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S MUCH YOU COULD PUT IN YOUR CODE TO SAFEGUARD AGAINST FPL EQUIPMENT, BUT AND THAT TO BE FAIR, THAT THAT'S NOT REVIEWED BY THE DRB EITHER FOR A COUPLE REASONS. ONE, OFTEN THE PLANS THAT THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD SEES ARE THE DEVELOPER'S BEST GUESS AS TO WHERE THAT EQUIPMENT IS GOING TO BE. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, FPL IS GOING TO TELL YOU WHERE THAT EQUIPMENT'S GOING TO BE. AND SO THAT CHANGES A LOT. THAT CHANGES, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COULD BE BEAUTIFICATION AROUND IT. I MEAN, GOING BACK TO WHAT THE MAYOR SAID, THAT WE HAVE SOME FLEXIBILITY WHEN WE LOOK AT STUFF TOO. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST, OH YEAH, THIS IS COMPLIANT PAST, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT AFFECTED THE COMMUNITY AND THEY'RE UPSET ABOUT IT. SO THEN WE GET HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? AND THEN WE GET ALL THE ALL THE AND YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR GETS THE CALLS AND SOME PEOPLE HERE GET THE CALLS, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THEN WE GOTTA LIVE WITH THIS. SO HOW DO WE AVOID THIS? I MEAN, [06:55:05] I MEAN, THIS, THIS, THIS CHART, I MEAN, IS THAT THAT DIRECT LINE GOING DOWN PART OF THAT, WOULD THAT CASE STILL FOLLOW THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? YEP. OKAY. SO THAT REALLY DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM. THAT DOESN'T SOLVE THAT PARTICULAR PROBLEM. AND I WILL TELL YOU AGAIN, WHAT SOLVES THE PROBLEM IS CHANGING OUR CODES. THE REASON THAT THAT PARKING GARAGE IS SITTING THERE ON THAT ROAD IS BECAUSE OUR CODES ARE WRITTEN IN A WAY THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYWHERE ELSE TO PUT IT. WE NEEDED TO HAVE A BETTER CODE IN THAT PARTICULAR SCENARIO. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE MAYOR JUST SUGGESTED. A SECOND AGO. WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE A A BETTER PROJECT. WELL, WE NEED TO HAVE A BETTER CODE THAT WOULD HAVE GIVEN THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT THAT SOMEWHERE OTHER THAN RIGHT UP ON THE ON THE STREET. AND UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S THE WAY THE CODE WAS WRITTEN. THEREFORE, IT'S GOING IT'S GOING TO GO THIS STRAIGHT LINE. AND I WILL TELL YOU IF EVEN IF WE HAD SOME WAY TO HAVE BRING IT BACK IN FRONT OF US, WE AS A COUNCIL, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE, IF THEY'RE MEETING ALL THE CRITERIA OF OUR CODE, WE'RE TOAST, MAN. THEY SUE US. PROPERTIES ARE TOUGH. YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TWO FRONT YARDS THERE BECAUSE THE PROPERTY FACING THE GULF. SO I HAVE NO DOUBT AND I HEAR YOU. BUT THIS IS NOT THIS IS NOT THE GREEN JEWEL, OKAY? I MEAN, WHEN THIS HAPPENS, I MEAN, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, SO THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE GOTTA DO TO SAFEGUARD, YOU KNOW, SOME BEAUTIFICATION, NOT TO MAKE IT DIFFICULT. YOU KNOW, WE ALL WANT AND I APPRECIATE THE BEAUTIFUL BUILDINGS AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND ALL THAT, BUT WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE IT SO THE COMMUNITY IS, DOESN'T HAVE A FREAK OUT OVER THESE THINGS EITHER. SO LIKE IN THAT CASE, AND THAT IN THAT CASE, THIS, THIS CHART DOESN'T HELP THAT. SO THAT THAT CHART DOESN'T REPRESENT THE PROCESS THAT THAT PROJECT WENT THROUGH THAT ONE, BECAUSE THAT ONE WENT THROUGH THE CURRENT. SO THAT WAS IN FRONT OF THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD TWO TIMES. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A. SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT PROJECT DID GO TO PUBLIC HEARING. SO THERE WAS A PUBLIC HEARING, MULTIPLE PUBLIC HEARINGS. THEY WEREN'T AT COUNCIL OR PAB, BUT THEY WERE AT DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. THERE WERE MULTIPLE PUBLIC HEARINGS. YEAH. THAT THAT BUILDING, IT WENT THIS PATH, THOUGH, TWO DESIGN REVIEW BOARDS. AND IT WENT. YEAH, IT WAS PRELIMINARY DRB SITE PLAN AND FINAL. BUT I'M MY POINT THERE IS THERE WERE OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PUBLIC TO OBSERVE THIS PROJECT AND WEIGH IN ON THIS PROJECT. THEY WERE NOT AT PAB OR COUNCIL, BUT THERE WE, WE NOTICED THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN IT. WE NOTICED EVERYONE WITHIN 1000FT. THAT PROJECT WAS DISCUSSED AT A PUBLIC HEARING, MULTIPLE PUBLIC HEARINGS WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND THOSE MEETINGS AND WEIGH IN. SO I JUST I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT SOMEHOW THIS SNUCK IN ADMINISTRATIVELY AND NO, NO, I'M NOT SAYING THAT. BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT HAPPENS WITH THESE NOTICES? PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THEM. THEY THEY DON'T, YOU KNOW, DON'T TELL ME THAT I SPEND A LOT OF TIME PREPARING, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE RESPONSE RATE ON THAT? I MEAN, I MEAN, WHO KNOWS ONE PERSON SHOW UP. I MEAN, SO, SO WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID HERE IS, IS WE JUST WANT, YOU KNOW, GOOD DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, GOOD DEVELOPMENT. AND THE MORE EYES ON IT, ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A BIG DEVELOPMENT LIKE THAT TO JUST GET DESIGN REVIEW BOARD ONLY AND GET PASSED TO ME IS NOT A GOOD PROCESS. I MEAN, I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A GOOD PROCESS. I THINK I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD LOOK AT THE, THE PAB LOOK AT IT AS WELL. AND MAYBE ANY BIG DEVELOPMENTS SHOULD PROBABLY FLASH THROUGH COUNCIL. I THINK THIS IS MY PERSONAL VIEW ON THAT. I'M JUST I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE PUBLIC WANTS. MAYOR, CAN I ASK ERICA QUICK QUESTION. SO OUR LARGE PROJECTS, I MEAN, FORGIVE ME FOR NOT KNOWING THIS. IS THERE A TRIGGER FOR A LARGE IMPACT PROJECT THAT WOULD OTHERWISE JUST GO TO DRB AND GET SITE PLAN APPROVAL? BUT IF IT'S LARGE, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL. I'VE SEEN THAT IN SOME COMMUNITIES. NO, THERE'S A THERE'S THE THRESHOLD BY WHICH WHAT REQUIRES DRB REVIEW. AND THEN THERE'S THE THRESHOLD FOR WHAT REQUIRES SITE PLAN REVIEW. BUT THE ONLY DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN SITE PLANS THAT ARE ADMINISTRATIVE AND SITE PLANS THAT GO TO PA AND COUNCIL IS IT'S PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS. I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT THE COUNCILMAN IS TALKING ABOUT, THINGS THAT YOUR CONSTITUENTS IS GOING TO COME ASK YOU QUESTIONS PROJECT. YEAH. YOU THINK YOU KNOW THEY HAVE JUST DESIGN REVIEW BOARD PASS A GIGANTIC PROJECT LIKE THAT AND NO OTHER EYES LOOKING AT IT TO ME IS LIKE STRANGE. THEY DIDN'T PASS IT. WELL, I MEAN, IT WENT IT WENT THIS ROUTE. I KNOW, BUT ULTIMATELY THEY, THEY MET THE CRITERIA FROM THE ORDINANCE. THAT'S I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT YOU HAVE UPSET RESIDENTS BECAUSE I KNOW THE COMMUNITY'S UPSET ABOUT THE APPEARANCE. IT'S COMPLIANT TO HAVE THAT GARAGE THERE, BUT IT'S UGLY AS HELL FOR THE PEOPLE WALKING THE MIRACLE MILE. NOT SUPPOSED TO BE, YOU KNOW, THE MIRACLE MILE, YOU KNOW, SO SO I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. THAT PROJECT DID THEY DIDN'T THEY DID THEY ASK TO HAVE IT BE ABLE TO MOVE IT SOMEPLACE ELSE? NO NO, NO. THE GARAGE. WERE THEY DID THEY EVER DID THEY EVER WANTED TO GO TO PUT THE GARAGE ON THE GULF? NO, NO, I KNOW, OF COURSE YOU WOULDN'T. BUT [07:00:03] UNDERNEATH OR, OR ANY PLACE ELSE, I MEAN, THEY DID NOT REQUEST UNDERGROUND PARKING. YEAH, AS FAR AS I CAN. WELL, AS FAR AS I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY EVER. I MEAN YOU CAN ASK THEM. YEAH. BUT NO, NO, THAT WAS NEVER PRESENTED TO US. AND AGAIN, SO IT GOES BACK TO WHAT DOES THE CODE ALLOW. RIGHT. WELL PLACEMENT OF THE SITE PLAN. SO STAFF COULD HAVE SAID WE DON'T WANT YOU TO MOVE. WE WANT YOU TO MOVE THIS BIG WALL FROM HERE TO THERE. BUT THAT'S NOT REALLY WHAT STAFF, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE CODE WE'RE LOOKING AT, IS IT MEETING THE SETBACKS? IS IT MEETING THE HEIGHT? IS IT MEETING THE LOT COVERAGE? SO YOU WOULD NEVER RECOMMEND, HEY, LOOK, IT MIGHT BLOCK THE VIEW OR THIS COULD BE IN A BETTER LOCATION. COULD YOU POSSIBLY MOVE IT AROUND? THESE PETITIONERS WILL TELL YOU IN THE PRE-APPLICATION MEETINGS, I DO MY ABSOLUTE BEST TO ADVISE WHAT I THINK. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IF IT MEETS THE CODE, I DON'T SAY NO, BUT I. BUT COUNCIL COULD TRUST ME THAT I DO MY BEST, I RIGHT, SO SO MAYOR, IF THEY IF IF IF STAFF HAD A IF THERE WAS A CODE PROVISION THAT SAID YOU CAN'T PUT A LARGE GARAGE ABUTTING A RIGHT OF WAY, THAT THERE HAS TO BE LINERS OR SOME KIND OF USE ALONG THAT, THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE DIFFERENT THAN SURE, THEY COULD DO IT, BUT THEY CAN'T ON THEIR OWN JUST COME UP WITH THAT RULE. I MEAN, IT'S TOO ARBITRARY. SO YOU HAVE AND YOU HAVE. AND I'M JUST GOING TO PULL A RANDOM EXAMPLE. SO IN THIS IS IN THE R 315 MORE. SO THIS IS THE R 315 MULTIFAMILY DISTRICT SPECIFIC TO THE MOORINGS. THERE'S A PROVISION IN HERE THAT'S THAT TALKS ABOUT DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR GROUND FLOOR PARKING. GROUND FLOOR PARKING SHALL BE FULLY ENCLOSED BY WALLS WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ENTRANCES, THE ENTRANCES FOR GROUND FLOOR PARKING SHALL NOT FACE A PUBLIC STREET. YARDS OPPOSITE THE ENTRANCES SHALL CONTAIN A SIX FOOT WIDE LANDSCAPE BUFFER. THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF THE PROPERTY LINE THAT CONTAINS A MINIMUM OF THE FOLLOWING. SO THERE'S AN EXAMPLE WHERE IN THIS DISTRICT, WHICH IS NOT THE ZONING DISTRICT THAT THE PROJECT IN QUESTION IS, THIS IS A DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICT, BUT YOU CAN PUT STUFF. I MEAN, THAT WAS ADDED TO THE CODE. THIS IS NEWER. SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF AT ONE POINT IN TIME A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, I COULDN'T FIND IT. SPECIFICALLY, THERE WAS A DISCUSSION I, I, YOU WERE PART OF THIS. I REMEMBER HAVING THIS DISCUSSION WITH YOU ABOUT THAT. IT WAS THE MEGA HOUSE DISCUSSION. AND IT WAS WE HAD OUR 110 AND WE GOT R 110 A AND THEN WE HAD OUR 315 AND OUR 315 WAS THEN BROKEN FURTHER DOWN INTO R 315 C S COQUINA SANDS AND R 315 MORE MOORING. SO THAT'S WHY IF YOU LOOK AT THAT STRETCH OF THE MIRACLE MILE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE R THREE, 15, M, O, R AND C S HAVE VERY DIFFERENT HEIGHT REGULATIONS THAN THE OTHER R 315 DESIGNATED PROPERTIES. THAT WAS A COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, INVOLVEMENT. EVERYONE GOT TOGETHER AND THAT'S HOW THAT WAS DECIDED. THAT CODE WAS CHANGED. SO VERY SPECIFICALLY ON THESE PROPERTIES IN THIS DESIGN, THEY HAVE VERY DIFFERENT REGULATIONS WHERE YOU WOULDN'T HAVE YOU WOULDN'T DRIVE OFF OF GULF SHORE DIRECTLY INTO GARAGE DOORS, BECAUSE AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE SAID, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT TO SEE ON GULF SHORE BOULEVARD. NOW, THAT PROVISION IS NOT IN THE DISTRICT IN WHICH THIS PROJECT IS. BUT BUT THAT'S A CODE. SO THAT'S NOT WHERE A CITY STAFF I SEE A PROJECT GO. I DON'T LIKE THIS. I WISH THEY WOULD CHANGE THIS. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I CAN POINT TO IN THE CODE AND SAY, REDESIGN THIS. SO I'M NOT STARING AT YOUR GARAGE DOOR, BUT COUNCIL COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. THEY COULD SAY NO, BUT THE COUNCIL COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION. I MEAN, IF IT CAME TO COUNCIL, IF IT CAME TO COUNCIL, I THINK THAT'S MORE IMPORTANT FOR COUNCIL TO BE LOOKING AT PROJECTS LIKE THAT, THEN OUTDOOR DINING. SO THIS THIS SHOULD BE ON THE FOREFRONT. SERIOUSLY. I MEAN, REALLY, I MEAN, I'M FOR LIKE, YOU KNOW, GIVING YOU GUYS A FULL AUTHORITY ON THAT. BUT, BUT, BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT I THINK IS PRETTY SERIOUS. AND, AND WE DON'T WANT, WE WANT AS A COMMUNITY UPSET TO WRITE AT CITY COUNCIL. WE DON'T WANT THAT. THANK YOU. BLANKENSHIP. YEAH, I MIGHT REMIND US COUNCIL DID PASS AN ORDINANCE I CAN'T REMEMBER IT WAS 22 OR 23 THAT I THINK SAID ANY NEW DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT OVER 5000FT■!S HAD TO COME THROUGH PAB AND COUNCIL. AND IT SPELLED OUT THE PROCESS JUST FOR THAT FACT SO THAT THE PUBLIC COULD PARTICIPATE. EVERYBODY COULD LOOK AT IT. IT GOT SUSPENDED OR SQUASHED BY SB ONE. THAT'S RIGHT. SO WE HAD THAT AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE KNEW OTHER PEOPLE HAD DONE IT AND WE KNEW OUR COMMUNITY WANTED IT AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. BUT ONE WAY TO GET A, I HATE TO SAY GET AROUND THAT, BUT IS, IS TO HAVE OUR PROCESS THAT ALL THESE EYES HAVE TO LOOK AT IT, EVEN THOUGH. RIGHT. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S [07:05:04] NOT SB 8180. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE STILL, YOU KNOW, HEY, YOU SHOULD BE OUR PROCESS COULD BE CHANGED. YEAH, YEAH, I AGREE. SO IF QUESTION IF WE WENT WITH THE EXHIBIT B AS THAT APPROACH, I THINK I HEARD DRB COULD STILL REQUIRE SOMEBODY TO COME BACK. IT'S NOT A ONE TIME ONLY REVIEW, RIGHT? IF THEY, IF THEY REVIEW A PROJECT AND THEY THINK THERE'S ENOUGH CHANGES NEEDED, THEY COULD REQUIRE THEM TO COME BACK SO THEY CAN ALWAYS CONTINUE. AND THEN YEAH, THEY CAN ALWAYS CONTINUE IT. SO IF THEY FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY HAVE THIS FIRST REVIEW AND THEY WANT SOME MAJOR CHANGES, THEY CAN CONTINUE THAT REQUEST, THOSE CHANGES OR THE WAY WE COULD WORK WORD THIS IN AND I THINK IS WHAT IS NATURAL ANYWAY, THAT IF DRB APPROVES IT AT THIS FIRST REVIEW AND THEN THROUGH THE GENERAL DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND OR ANY COUNCIL REVIEW, MAJOR CHANGES ARE MADE, IT WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO DRB OR. ALSO, IF THERE WERE MINOR ADJUSTMENTS THAT NEEDED TO BE MADE, LIKE INSTEAD OF THIS TREE CANOPY, THIS TREE CANOPY THAT THEY FELT COMFORTABLE WITH STAFF REVIEWING IT, IT'S NOT ENOUGH TO GO BACK. THEY COULD DELEGATE IT TO ADMINISTRATION. YES. THERE ARE CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE SEE, YOU KNOW, MY LANDSCAPE PLAN SHOWED FOR FOXTAIL PALMS AND THOSE JUST AREN'T AVAILABLE AT THIS SIZE IN THE NURSERY. SO CAN I CHANGE THEM TO CHRISTMAS PALMS? TERRIBLE EXAMPLE, I'M SURE. IS THAT OKAY? YOU KNOW, WOULD THAT REQUIRE A FULL DRB HEARING? PROBABLY NOT. OKAY. OKAY. MY NEXT QUESTION. SO THERE'S A REVIEW STANDARD IN THE CODE THAT SAYS MAKE CERTAIN THAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS COMPATIBLE WITH ITS SURROUNDING AREA. WHO DECIDES THAT THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD IS THAT IN TWO, FOUR, SEVEN, NINE. IT IS. OR IS THAT A SITE PLAN? CRITERIA SECTION 46 DASH 30 3G3. DO THEY KNOW THAT? BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT IF THEY WERE DOING THAT, THAT WOULD HAVE CAUGHT THIS GIANT PARKING GARAGE QUESTION. SO I'M SORRY. THAT IS A THAT'S A SITE PLAN. CORRECT CRITERIA. SO THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD IS LOOKING AT THE CRITERIA IN 2-479. THAT'S THOSE ARE THEIR CRITERIA THAT THEY ARE BASING THEIR REVIEW ON. WHAT YOU'RE REFERENCING IS A SITE PLAN REVIEW CRITERIA. SO THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD IS NOT LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN STAFF. THAT IS NOT A THAT IS NOT A DESIGN REVIEW PURVIEW. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. TO ME, THIS IS AN AREA THAT NEEDS NEEDS TO BE REVISITED OR BEEFED UP BECAUSE IT'S VERY SUBJECTIVE. IT'S VERY SUBJECTIVE. AND IT LEADS TO THINGS LIKE THE GARAGE THAT PEOPLE DON'T LIKE IN THE COMMUNITY. IT LEADS TO THINGS LIKE THE PETITE SQUARE WHERE THE PEOPLE FEEL LIKE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE TO SAY WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE PROJECT. AND THEY'RE BUILDING AND SOME OF THE OTHER OTHER THINGS THAT. OBVIOUSLY, IF THERE WAS A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS THROUGH COUNCIL, COUNCIL COULD MAKE THAT DECISION OR THE PB RECOMMEND AND COUNCIL DECIDE. BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT AND WE'RE RELYING ON STAFF TO MAKE THAT DETERMINATION, IT JUST SEEMS TO ME LIKE WE NEED TO BEEF THAT CRITERIA UP SO THAT IT'S MORE OBJECTIVE. AND I THINK WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PLACEMENT OF A GARAGE, THAT'S THAT'S ONE THING. BUT YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THE PUSHBACK WE GOT BACK ON THE MIRACLE MILE WAS, WELL, HOW COULD YOU SAY THAT A BUILDING AT 87FT TALL IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBOR? WELL, THE RESPECTFULLY, THE CODE THAT WAS APPROVED SAYS THAT THIS PROPERTY, 87FT IS THE APPROPRIATE HEIGHT FOR THIS PROPERTY. SO IF YOUR STAFF AND SOMEONE COMES IN AND THEY'RE BUILDING A BUILDING EXACTLY TO THE LETTER OF WHAT THE CODE THE CODE SAYS THAT A BUILDING ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY SHALL BE 25FT FROM THE SIDE SETBACKS AND 87FT TALL, WITH 20% LOT COVERAGE. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THEY DESIGNED AND WHAT THEY BRING INTO STAFF. IT'S HARD. HOW THEN WOULD I SAY THAT THAT'S NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD? SO, VICE MAYOR, MY RECOMMENDATION ON THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SCALE COMPATIBILITY, RELATIONSHIP WITH OTHER BUILDINGS AROUND IT. I THINK YOU WOULD NEED TO GIVE STAFF A LITTLE BIT MORE CONCRETE MEASUREMENTS IN ORDER TO MAKE NON-ARBITRARY DECISIONS. I DON'T BLAME HER FOR BEING LIKE THAT. YEAH, THAT'S MY POINT. WHEN I READ THIS, IT'S SO OPEN ENDED AND SUBJECTIVE THAT IT'S BUT BUT THERE ARE DEFINITIONS FOR COMPATIBILITY AND SCALE AND RELATIONSHIPS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT IT'S JUST YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO PUT SOME MORE TEETH INTO IT OR ELSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE VERY CONSERVATIVE IN HOW THEY APPROACH IT. AND THIS DRB HAVE ANY ABILITY TO LOOK AT HOW A PROJECT FITS IN WITH ITS NEIGHBORHOOD. YEP. SO THERE'S ONE CRITERIA IN THERE. SORRY, I'M GOING BACK AND FORTH [07:10:04] BETWEEN THERE IS THE PROJECT SCALE AND THE SIZE, COLOR, AND PROPORTION OF BUILDING ELEMENTS, COMPONENTS AND MATERIALS ARE APPROPRIATE AND HARMONIOUS WITH THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD STRUCTURES. YEAH, I THINK YOU NAILED IT. SO THAT SECTION MAY NEED TO BE BEEFED UP A LITTLE BIT TOO. YEAH, THAT'S THAT'S THE DRB. SO IN BOTH CASES, JUST GIVEN SOME MORE GUIDANCE OR GUIDELINES AROUND WHAT THE CRITERIA SHOULD BE. AND ALSO, I DON'T KNOW, DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT? WE DO. I WAS GOING TO I WAS GOING TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE WENT DOWN THE LINE, BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE COULD DISCUSS WHAT THEY WERE NOTED. HE MAY CHANGE ALL OUR MINDS. YEAH, I KNOW, BUT WE ENDED UP. CAN I GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT OR GO AHEAD, MR. COUNCIL MEMBER, TO FOLLOW UP ON COUNCILMAN COLE'S COMMENTS. FROM MY VANTAGE POINT, LIVING RIGHT ON GOING DOWN GULF SHORE FROM EVERY EVERY ANGLE, ALL THE PEOPLE LUCKY ENOUGH TO LIVE ON THE GULF ARE THERE. YOU CAN SEE THROUGH. YOU CAN SEE THROUGH TO THE TO THE WATER, THE VISTAS. AND THEORETICALLY THAT WALL. THERE'S FIVE MORE LOTS RIGHT NEXT TO IT. YOU COULD HAVE ONE GIANT WALL FOR SEVERAL HUNDRED YARDS AND YOU CAN'T SEE. AS A RESIDENT OF NAPLES, THE RESIDENTS SHOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO SEE THE COASTLINE THAT'S OURS AND SEE THROUGH THAT WALL. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO SEE THROUGH THE BUILDINGS IN DESIGN, LIKE ALONG GULF SHORE SOUTH AND CLOSER TO TO NAPLES CAY. YOU CAN SEE THROUGH THERE AND SEE THE WATER FROM ANY ANGLE YOU'RE LOOKING AT. NOW YOU'RE NOT ON THE BEACH, BUT YOU HAVE THE VISTAS, WHICH IS WHY PEOPLE LOCATE HERE. AND SO WITH MR. CROW WAS POINTING OUT, I KNOW THE EXACT PROPERTY AS WE ALL DO, AND THERE'S A BUNCH OF LOTS COMING, AND WE COULD PHYSICALLY BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE EIGHT PROPERTIES IN A ROW OF THESE GIANT, MASSIVE WALLS, AND TECHNICALLY THEY'RE ALL DOABLE, BUT WE GOT TO SNIP THAT DOG IN THE SNOUT. I. LET ME CHECK WITH STAFF ON THAT BECAUSE. ERIKA, WHAT IS THE 1000FT? YOU HAVE TO HAVE A VIA. YEAH. THE BUILDING DIMENSION MAXIMUM REQUIRED BUILDING DIMENSION. THAT'S WHAT THE BUILDING'S. I DON'T KNOW IF IT APPLIES TO A WALL. IT'S. YEAH. BUILDING LIKE ONE. SO THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE A VIA THAT'S SO BUILDING DIMENSIONS THE WALL FOR A SINGLE BUILDING. IT'S IT'S 56 DASH 35. IT SAYS SINGLE BUILDING, NO MULTIFAMILY OR TRANSIENT LODGING BUILDING SHALL EXCEED 200FT IN WIDTH OR LENGTH IN ANY RESIDENTIAL, DISTRICT, OFFICE, DISTRICT OR PD DISTRICT INTENDED FOR RESIDENTIAL, TRANSIENT LODGING OR OFFICE USE. NO SUCH BUILDING SHALL EXTEND BEYOND THE BOUNDARIES OF AN IMAGINARY SQUARE OF 200FT IN LENGTH AND 200FT IN WIDTH. THE DIMENSIONAL RESTRICTION SHALL APPLY TO THE ENTIRE BUILDING AND SHALL NOT BE LIMITED TO ANY INDIVIDUAL BUILDING FACADE. SO. SO AM I NAIVE TO BELIEVE THAT BUILDINGS CAN JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE COMING IN LESS DENSE POPULATION WISE, BUT MUCH BIGGER UNITS, AND IT'S JUST GOING TO BE AND THEY'RE GOING UP TO 25, $40 MILLION A UNIT. GREAT. BUT AS THE RESIDENTS OF NAPLES RAPIDLY LOSE WHAT THEY PERCEIVE TO BE THE CONTROL, TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE NATURAL ASSETS OF OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH MAKES IT SMALL TOWN CHARM AND GREEN JEWEL AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF GOING IN WITH THESE GIANT MONSTROSITIES THAT FIT THE BILL. BUT THEY DENY THE RESIDENTS, THE LONG TIME RESIDENTS OF THE VISTAS THAT THEY HAVE COME TO TAKE FOR GRANTED. AND YES, TIMES CHANGE, BUT WE SHOULD PROBABLY NOT CHANGE. SO LIKE THAT TO TO DEPRIVE THEM OF THAT. SO THAT'S MY POINT. I HOPE IT SUPPLIES SUPPLANTS YOURS, MR. MAYOR, JUST TO THAT POINT THAT THAT'S A HUGE ISSUE IN FLORIDA, OBVIOUSLY. AND IT IT CAME OUT OF THE LAW OF THAT CAME OUT OF WHEN THE EDEN ROC HOTEL SUED THE FONTAINEBLEAU HOTEL, OR IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE OTHER WAY AROUND. THE COURT SAID YOU HAVE NO AIR VIEW RIGHTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. UNLESS UNLESS YOUR CODE HAS SOME LEGISLATIVE LEGISLATION THAT YOU'VE ADOPTED THAT PROTECTS VIEW CORRIDORS AND VISTAS AND AIRFLOW AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO AS OF AS OF RIGHT, YOU DON'T HAVE IT. BUT IF YOU ADOPT SOMETHING THAT SAYS WE, WE CARE ABOUT VIEW CORRIDORS AND VISTAS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THEN YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE IT. AND THAT'S WHAT NAPLES COMMANDS, THE PRICES THAT IT'S ABLE TO GET BECAUSE OF THE NATURAL BEAUTY THAT WE HAVE. AND IT'S JUST UNFORTUNATE THAT SOME LOCATIONS ARE NOT GOING TO ALLOW THAT. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY WE WERE ELECTED WAS TO PROTECT THE RESIDENTS. SO THAT'S A CODE CHANGE. I DON'T KNOW, PROBABLY MIGHT BE SOME. WE ALREADY HAVE THE VISTA. I JUST DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ENFORCED. YEAH. I MEAN WE HAVE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. YEAH. AND WE HAVE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS IN [07:15:05] THESE DISTRICTS, THE ONES ON THE GULF. AND I'LL PULL UP JUST AN EXAMPLE. THEY ARE DESIGNED SO THAT AS YOUR HEIGHT INCREASES SO DO YOUR SETBACKS. SO THE TALLER THE BUILDING THE THE CLOSER IT MOVES IN. SO THAT'S ONE WAY THAT THAT IS ADDRESSED TO, TO PRESERVE THAT, THAT VISTA. AND THAT'S SOMETHING ERICA, YOU, YOU COULD, AS YOU KNOW, MODIFY THIS, DO IT. BUT IF, COULD YOU WORK LANGUAGE AS WE'RE REVIEWING THE 2045 PLAN, WORK SOMETHING IN ALONG THAT WAY SO THAT THE RESIDENTS PER SE DON'T GET PENALIZED BY THE MORE AFFLUENT MEMBERS OF OUR SOCIETY WHO CAN BUILD THOSE KINDS OF PROPERTIES THAT THAT'S BEYOND THAT REQUIREMENT. YES. OR SOMETHING STRONGER IN THERE. IF IT IF IT'S DOABLE, IF IT'S DOABLE. YEAH. I MEAN, WE CAN TALK TO THE CONSULTANTS AND SEE. YEAH, I THINK IN THE COMP PLAN, THAT'S ALL. I WOULD ALMOST GUESS I'M ALWAYS SEEING THIS IN LOTS OF COMP PLANS WHERE THEY TALK ABOUT PROTECTING VISTAS. AND THEN AT LEAST IT'S A POLICY OF THE CITY'S. AND THEN YOU, YOU GO LATER ON AND YOU ADOPT WHATEVER LEGISLATION YOU HAVE TO DO. I WOULD I'D BE SURPRISED IF OUR COMP PLAN DIDN'T ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. BUT IF IT DOESN'T, THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT IF THAT'S OKAY. FIRST SPEAKER IS AMELIA VASQUEZ. HELLO AGAIN. COUNCIL MAYOR. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. I JUST WANTED TO JUST SHARE THAT OUR CBI MEMBERS PARTICIPATED IN THE 2024 DISCUSSIONS AND CONTINUE TO VIEW NAPLES AS ONE OF THE MOST EFFECTIVE JURISDICTIONS IN THE REGION. AND AS YOU CONSIDER CHANGES, WE WOULD ENCOURAGE FOCUSING LESS ON A NUMBER OF HEARINGS AND MORE ON WHERE THE DECISIONS BECOME FINAL AND BINDING. THE BIGGEST RISK ARE LATE STAGE REDESIGNS AFTER APPROVALS, LACK OF CLARITY BETWEEN REVIEW STAGES AND DECISION DESIGN DECISIONS SHIFTING INTO PERMITTING. WE. WE SUPPORT STREAMLINING IT, BUT MUST IMPROVE PREDICTABILITY, NOT MOVE UNCERTAINTY LATER IN THE PROCESS. SO, FOR EXAMPLE, PROBLEM EVEN AFTER APPROVAL, SOMETIMES THAT APPROVAL CAN CHANGE. THEN THE JOB SHOW SLOWS DOWN. SO THEN THAT CREATES COSTS. YOU HAVE TO MAKE THE THE, THE TEAM GO BACK AND REDO SOMETHING THAT THEY'VE ALREADY DONE AND THEN LATER APPROVED AGAIN. SO WE JUST, WE WOULD WELCOME IF YOU GUYS CAN ALLOW US TO CONTINUE TO WORK. WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF, WITH COUNCIL, THE OPPORTUNITY TO ENGAGE OUR MEMBERSHIP AND JUST SUPPORTING A STREAMLINED DECISION. AND I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE A LOT OF CONVERSATION AND I HEARD A LOT OF GOOD POSITIVE THINGS. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU. AND IF YOU CAN MAYBE SEND US AN EMAIL THAT'S MORE SPECIFIC TO WHAT YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT HOW WHAT CHANGES HAPPEN AND WHETHER IT'S BETWEEN PLANNING TO BUILDING DEPARTMENT. AND I KNOW THAT'S WHERE IT HAPPENS. IF YOU CAN DO RECOMMENDATIONS, I'M SURE THE BUILDING AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT WOULD DO ANYTHING THEY POSSIBLY CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT COORDINATION IS IS THERE FOR YOU. THANK YOU. MARK MCCLAIN. I WILL JUST CALL JUST KATHY, BUT SHE'S LEFT. YEAH. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM MAYOR AND COUNCIL MARK MCLEAN AND MHK ARCHITECTURE FOR THE RECORD, BEEN TALKING FOR SLIGHTLY OVER AN HOUR, AND I COULD PROBABLY TAKE EACH ONE OF YOUR TOPICS FOR AN HOUR AND KIND OF REALLY BREAK THEM DOWN. SO THERE'S A LOT TO COVER HERE. I'M AVAILABLE TO CHAT ABOUT ANY OF THESE TOPICS. I'VE HAD MANY CONVERSATIONS WITH MANY OF YOU, AND I'VE SAID FROM THIS PODIUM IN THE PAST, IF YOU'RE GETTING QUESTIONS FROM CONSTITUENTS, FEEL FREE TO GIVE ME A CALL. WE CAN EXPLAIN THESE CONVERSATIONS AWAY JUST FOR ONE SPECIFIC EXAMPLE. FOR FOR COUNCILMAN CRULL, THAT WALL IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION. DRB HAD US MOVE THAT BUILDING. DRB HAD US DOUBLE THE LANDSCAPING IN FRONT OF THAT BUILDING. DRB HAD US PUT TRELLISES ON THAT BUILDING. RIGHT NOW IT'S A CONCRETE BUILDING, SO DRB MADE US PUT MORE ON THAT BUILDING. SO THEY DID THEIR PURPOSE. AND MY QUESTION WOULD BE BACK TO YOU KIND OF HAVE YOU PULLED THE FINAL RENDERINGS AT DRB APPROVED TO SEE WHAT THE, WHAT THAT STREET VIEW IS GOING TO BE WHEN IT'S COMPLETE. SO WE'RE ALWAYS HERE TO HELP ON THINGS LIKE THAT TO THE MAYOR. WHEN IT COMES TO ROOMS TO GO, ROOMS TO GO WAS ANOTHER PROJECT OF MINE THAT IT'S IN THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT, AND IT'S KIND OF THIS COUNCIL WANT [07:20:03] TO SEE PROJECTS IN THE HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT, AND IT FIT THE CRITERIA ON THE LANDSCAPING IN THE REAR. WE THOUGHT WE WERE MORE THAN NECESSARY. WE MET WITH THE NEIGHBORS AND ADDED ALMOST 50% TO IT, MET WITH DRB AND DOUBLED IT AGAIN. THEN WHEN WE DUG IN UNDERGROUND, WE FOUND A CITY UTILITY PIPE THAT WASN'T ON ANY OF THE CITY'S UTILITIES, SO WE HELPED THE CITY REPROGRAM THAT ENTIRE PIPING AND THEN MOVED ALL THE LANDSCAPING IN AND BUFFERED ALL THAT UP. SO THE SYSTEM WORKED. IN THAT CASE, I THINK WHAT HAPPENS HERE IS YOU GET A CALL FROM A CONSTITUENT THAT SAYS THIS ISSUE ISN'T BEING ADDRESSED. AND TO STAFF'S DEFENSE, THEY'RE NOT CALLING YOU EVERY DAY WITH, HEY, WE JUST MOVED A PIPE AND MOVED A TREE. SO I THINK YOUR YOUR DAYS ARE FULL ENOUGH ON THAT. MY PHONE IS ALWAYS AVAILABLE. PLEASE CALL ME ANYTIME. THE TOPIC AT HAND WITH THE DRB THERE WAS THE WHOLE WHERE IF WE'RE GOING TO ELIMINATE ONE DRB, WHICH ONE DO WE KEEP? AND THE ITEM WE GOT TO KEEP, WE GOT TO KEEP THE FIRST ONE BECAUSE IF DRB HAS COMMENTS FOR US, THOSE THE STAFF CAN LOOK AT THOSE COMMENTS. IF THEY SAY THAT OVERHANGS TOO LONG WHEN IT COMES BACK INTO STAFF, THEY CAN SEE IF WE REDUCE THE OVERHANG OR NOT. THERE'S A COMMENT IN THE THE, THE AGENDA ITEM TODAY THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, STAFF MAY EMPLOY A STAFF ARCHITECT TO REVIEW THAT. BUT I CAUTION YOU GUYS ON THAT TOO, BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT SOMEWHERE LIKE COLLIER COUNTY THAT HAS A LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION 050508 THAT SPELLS OUT THIS IS WHAT YOU DO TO BE COMPATIBLE, AND YOU LOOK AT WHAT THEY'RE STICKING IN THE GROUND OVER THERE. FOR J.W. MARRIOTT, YOU CAN SET THAT THING NEXT TO THE TREASURY DEPARTMENT. AND THERE YOU GO. YOU'VE GOT THAT BUILDING. SO IT CHECKED ALL THE BOXES. SO THE BOXES ARE BEING CHECKED FOR A PURPOSE. WHAT THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE IS A PROCESS TO AMEND THESE ISSUES. THE PROCESS TO AMEND THESE ISSUES IS EXTRAORDINARILY DIFFICULT. I'M HERE. I'LL BE HERE LATER THIS WEEK TO SPEAK ON WORKFORCE HOUSING, BECAUSE WE CAN'T AMEND THE SYSTEM WITHOUT BRINGING IN COUNCIL. AGAIN. THE COUNTY HAS A PROCESS UNDER THE DEVELOPMENT SERVICE ADVISORY COUNCIL THAT HAS A DEVELOPMENT SERVICE, ADVISORY COUNCIL, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SUBSECTION THAT WORKS WITH STAFF TO WRITE CODE. SO THE COMMISSION, COLLIER COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CAN SAY TO STAFF, WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT. AND SEVERAL MONTHS LATER, A NEW CODE WILL COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION THAT THEY CAN APPROVE OR THEY CAN REJECT. BUT IT'S ALL DONE BEHIND THE SCENES. IT'S NOT DONE IN A PUBLIC FORUM BY THE COMMISSIONER SITTING AT THE DESK. SO THERE IS A PROCESS. IT'S JUST THE CITY DOESN'T HAVE THAT PROCESS. THE OTHER THE OTHER SITUATION WITH THAT IS LIKE SPOT ZONING. NOBODY WANTS SPOT ZONING. HEY, CAN I DO THIS FOR THIS SPECIFIC AREA? THAT'S WHY I'VE BEEN SO CAREFUL HOW I'VE BEEN BRINGING FORWARD WORKFORCE HOUSING. I DON'T WANT TO GET TAGGED WITH SPOT ZONING. SO THERE'S A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH ON EVERY ONE OF THESE TOPICS. THE LAST CONCERNING ISSUE WITH THE DRB PROCESS IS WHEN IT GOES TO DRB, TO THE GDP, THE GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THAT'S ■NOT DEFINED, THAT GOES BACK TO THE EARLIER CONVERSATIONS ON THE COMP PLAN. WE GOT TO DEFINE THAT. AND AS LONG AS IT'S DEFINED AND I CAN TELL MY CLIENTS I'M WORKING WITHIN THE PARAMETERS OF THE CODE, WE CAN WORK WITH YOU. YEAH. CAN YOU EXPLAIN THOUGH, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THE GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE WE CAME UP WITH IT BECAUSE IT THE COMMUNITY. WELL, YOU CAN SAY, YEAH, THERE WAS JUST A LOT OF CONFUSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE WOULD SAY, OH, I NEED A SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND THEY WOULD SUBMIT ONE SITE PLAN DRAWING. NO, THE SITE PLAN PROCESS IS A MUCH MORE COMPREHENSIVE REVIEW OF, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT YOU'RE SUBMITTING ARCHITECTURAL CIVILS, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE ALL YOUR SETS OF PLANS, FIRE TRUCK TURNAROUNDS, YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE THAT. SO WE WANTED TO TAKE AWAY THE CONFUSION BETWEEN THAT DRAWING AND THE PROCESS AND, AND, AND IT'S ERICA CAN POINT TO SEVERAL INSTANCES WHERE SOMETHING IS SUBMITTED, THEY REVIEW IT AND IT COMES BACK OUT AND IT DOES SIT IN OUR LAP FOR SEVERAL MONTHS BEFORE WE GO BACK IN. IT MAY BE CHANGES FROM DRB OR CHANGES THAT CAME FROM STAFF OR CHANGES THAT CAME FROM STATE THAT TAKE THAT LONG, LIKE THE CXL THINGS, STATE MAY NEED 90 DAYS TO APPROVE A CHANGE. AND WE MAY JUST BE SITTING THERE AND STAFF THINKS WE'RE JUST HOLDING IT. SO THAT PROCESS IS ELONGATED. I CAN ALSO POINT TO SEVERAL INSTANCES WHERE WE SUBMIT A BUILDING STAFF HAS 60 DAYS TO REVIEW THAT BUILDING. WE GET A COMMENT OR TWO, WE RESPOND IN TWO WEEKS AND THEN IT SITS FOR ANOTHER 60 DAYS. SO WE'RE FIVE MONTHS BEFORE WE GET A SITE PLAN APPROVAL BECAUSE THEY'RE BUSY, AND THAT'S HOW LONG IT TAKES THEM TO GET TO THAT. WE GET THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL. THERE'S INSTANCES WHERE WE'VE COME TO PAB AND COUNCIL, OR WE JUST GO TO A DRB, PUT A THING IN FOR THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. AFTER WE GET FINAL DRB, IT GOES BACK [07:25:03] THROUGH ANOTHER SITE PLAN REVIEW AND A DEPARTMENT WILL KICK OUT SOMETHING AND NOT PICKING ON A DEPARTMENT HERE, BUT UTILITIES WILL SAY, OH, I MISS THIS IN SITE. AND THEN WE'RE BACK IN ANOTHER TWO MONTH REVIEW PROCESS. SO I THINK THE LAST TIME THAT I BROUGHT THIS UP ON THIS TOPIC, I SAID, WE'VE GOT TO MANAGE A WAIT TO BE ABLE TO LET CERTAIN THINGS RUN CONSECUTIVELY OR I'M SORRY, CONCURRENTLY TO WHERE WE COME OUT. IF WE CAN DO DRB AND BUILDING PERMIT PERMITTING AT OUR OWN RISK, THAT IF DRB CHANGES SOMETHING, THEN, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THAT IF DRB CHANGES SOMETHING, THEN WE'VE GOT TO UPDATE STAFF WITH THE CHANGES. BUT IF WE CAN RUN THESE THINGS CONCURRENTLY, I THINK IT WOULD TAKE A LOT OF TIME OUT OF THE PROCESS. AND THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT WE HAVE TODAY IS NOT BROKE. WHAT'S BROKE IS HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET THROUGH THE PROCESS. IF WE'RE GOING P, A, B AND COUNCIL ON A PROJECT, WE CAN BE 14 TO 16 MONTHS BEFORE WE GET THE ABILITY TO PERMIT A BUILDING THAT COULD TAKE 3 TO 5 MONTHS TO PERMIT. SO WE'RE JUST UNDER TWO YEARS TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT ON SOME OF THESE PROJECTS. AND CAN I RESPOND TO THAT A LITTLE BIT? SURE. SORRY. I THINK AND WE DID DISCUSS THIS THE LAST TIME WE YOU KNOW, A FEW TIMES WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, I THINK PART OF THE LENGTH OF THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS IS BECAUSE THAT PROCESS HAS GROWN INTO SOMETHING IT WAS NOT ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO BE. KEEP IN MIND, ALL OF THESE PROJECTS, REGARDLESS OF THE PROCESS, THEY GO THROUGH THIS FIRST STEP, THEY'RE ALL GOING TO GO THROUGH THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS, WHICH MEANS THAT PLANNING. WE'RE GOING TO DO A REVIEW OF THE ZONING BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S GOING TO DO THE STRUCTURAL UTILITIES IS GOING TO HAVE A PERMIT. EVERYONE, YOUR DEPARTMENTS ARE ALL GOING TO REVIEW THIS. A BUILDING PERMIT IS NOT GOING TO BE ISSUED FOR A PROJECT THAT DOESN'T MEET YOUR CODE. THE SITE PLAN PROCESS WAS ORIGINALLY INTENDED TO BE. A, I DON'T WANT TO SAY. IT. IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE WERE HAVING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FIRE ALARMS WERE IN THE RIGHT LOCATION. THAT'S CRAZY. IT GOT TO WHERE WE WERE LOOKING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS BASICALLY FULLY CODE COMPLIANT AND CONSTRUCTION READY BEFORE WE WOULD FIND IT SUFFICIENT FOR SITE PLAN. AND THAT WAS NEVER THE INTENT. IT WAS IT WAS INTENDED TO BE MORE OF A LEVEL OF SERVICE. IS THIS PROJECT FEASIBLE? NOT IS THE RETAINING WALL THE CORRECT HEIGHT? AND YOU KNOW, IS THE POOL EQUIPMENT IN THE RIGHT LOCATION? IT WAS NOT INTENDED TO BE THAT IT WAS INTENDED TO SAY, DOES IT CONCEPTUALLY MEET THE ZONING? YOU KNOW, ARE THE USES PERMITTED USES IS THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, IN A GENERALLY THE BUILDING ITSELF IN THE RIGHT LOCATION? DOES IT DO YOU KNOW, IS THERE WATER? DO WE HAVE WATER CAPACITY TO SERVE THIS? IS THERE FIRE FLOW TO SERVE THIS BUILDING? IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THAT KIND OF REVIEW THROUGH SOME OF THE REVIEWS AT PAB AND CITY COUNCIL AND THE LINES OF QUESTIONING. IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE YOUR CITY ARBORIST IS REVIEWING THE CPC OF LIKE EVERY TREE SPECIES. SO YES, THE PROCESS HAS THE SITE PLAN PROCESS HAS BECOME VERY CUMBERSOME FOR THE PETITIONER, BUT ALSO FOR CITY STAFF, BECAUSE KEEP IN MIND, THE CITY STAFF THAT ARE REVIEWING THESE SITE PLANS ARE YOUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER. YOUR UTILITIES DIRECTOR WAS REVIEWING SITE PLANS, YOUR CITY ARBORIST, IT'S STAFF. YOUR FIRE CHIEF REVIEWS, YOUR. SO WE DON'T HAVE STAFF THAT ARE. THEIR WHOLE SOLE PURPOSE IS REVIEWING SITE PLANS FOR CODE COMPLIANCE. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE TAKING THEIR REGULAR DUTIES AND ALSO REVIEWING SITE PLANS. AND IT GOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE WERE REVIEWING THEM FOR SUCH DETAIL THAT, YEAH, IT WAS IT WAS TAKEN, IT'S TAKEN A LONG TIME TO GET THESE THESE PROCESSED OUT. SO ERICA, I'M SO GLAD YOU SAID THAT. BUT HERE'S, HERE'S WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE TRAINED THE PETITIONER OR THE PETITIONER HAS TRAINED YOU THROUGH DRB THAT THEY COME IN WITH A SET OF DRAWINGS, THEY'RE READY TO ROCK AND ROLL BECAUSE THEY WANT TO GET GOING. SO IF THAT'S THE CASE AND THEY'RE REALLY THAT FAR ALONG AND AND THE SITE PLAN. WELL, LET'S JUST SAY IF IT COMES TO COUNCIL, MOST OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS SAY NOT SUFFICIENT AT THIS TIME ON STAFF REPORT. SO, YOU KNOW, IT LEAVES US WE'VE APPROVED IT. IT SAYS AT THIS TIME IT'S FINE. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN ALL THE WORK HAPPENS. AND YOU KNOW, NEXT THING WE KNOW, IT'S A YEAR LATER AND, YOU KNOW, STAFF IS STILL REVIEWING THOSE THINGS. SO THAT'S WHEN I SAY THE PROCESS AND SOMEHOW HELP US HELP YOU. WE'VE GOT TO DO SOMETHING AS THE PROCESS AS IT EXISTS TODAY. AND I'M SURE ERIKA CAN FIND AN EXCEPTION. BUT THE PROCESSES THAT EXIST TODAY, IF A CLIENT WALKED IN MY OFFICE TODAY AND SIGNED A CONTRACT AND SAID, START THIS BUILDING, I COULDN'T GET IN FRONT OF COUNCIL FOR 10 TO 12 MONTHS. I'M SURE THERE'S SOME THAT HAVE BEEN 8 OR 9 MONTHS THAT ARE INSIDE OF THAT, BUT IT TAKES 8 TO 12 MONTHS TO GET IN FRONT OF COUNCIL WITH THE ITEMS THAT YOU'RE SEEING. THEN WE COME BACK OUT AND WE STILL GOT TO GO DRB. WE STILL GOT TO GO THROUGH BUILDING PERMIT, AND WE'RE STILL GETTING ADDITIONAL [07:30:02] COMMENTS THAT WERE COMMENTED ON IN SITE PLAN. SO WE STILL HAVE 6 TO 8 MONTHS AFTER WE LEAVE COUNCIL. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE PROCESS THAT WE NEED TO SHRINK. AND, AND AGAIN, THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, WHEN YOU'RE SITTING ON AN EXPENSIVE PIECE OF PROPERTY IN THE CITY OF NAPLES AND YOU'RE SITTING THERE CARRYING THOSE LOANS FOR TWO YEARS, IT GETS EXPENSIVE THAT, NO, THEY DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. AND IT SLOWS, IT SLOWS THE PROCESS DOWN. AND WE'VE GOT SEVERAL PROJECTS THAT ARE ON HOLD BECAUSE OF IT. YEAH. AND IN ALL FAIRNESS TO TO STAFF, THEY WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY REVIEW IT AND THEY REVIEW IT, RIGHT. AND BUT SOMETHING'S GOT TO GIVE STAFF. STAFF DOES A REMARKABLE JOB. YEAH. STAFF IS VERY ACCESSIBLE AND STAFF WORKS WITH US A LOT. AND I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THE CONVERSATIONS LIKE I STARTED HERE TODAY ARE BECAUSE THERE'S ONE PERSON THAT DOESN'T UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS, THAT DOESN'T LIKE WHAT THEY'RE SEEING AND CALLS A COUNCIL MEMBER, AND THEN THE COUNCIL MEMBER BRINGS IT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE COMMUNITY. WELL, THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE THREE CHANGES OF THE LANDSCAPING IN THE BACK, BUT THEIR HOMEOWNER'S PRESIDENTS PROBABLY DO. OR LIKE TODAY'S SITUATION WHERE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THE DOCKS AT HARBOR HOUSE. WELL, AT FINAL DRB IT CAME UP AND WE AGREED TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THOSE DOCS. SO THERE WERE PUBLIC FINAL DRB AT FINAL DRB. WE, WE, WE AGREED TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE DOCS AND THE DOCS AREN'T EVEN ON THE DRB AGENDA FOR REVIEW BECAUSE DOCS ARE OUTSIDE OF DRB PRIVY. BUT THE NEIGHBORS BROUGHT IT TO OUR CONCERN AND WE AGREED TO REDUCE THE LENGTH OF THOSE DOCS. SO THE PROCESS IS WORKING. IT'S JUST SOMETIMES THE PROCESS THAT'S WORKING IS NOT FILTERING DOWN TO THE PEOPLE IT AFFECTS. WE'RE GOING TO GET IT RIGHT. I JUST KNOW IT. AND AGAIN, I'LL END WITH MY MY PHONE IS AVAILABLE. I'LL GIVE MOST OF YOU HAVE MY CARDS. I THINK EVERY ONE OF YOU HAVE MY EMAIL. MY CELL PHONE IS IN MY EMAIL. CALL ME ANYTIME. I'M ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO CHAT ABOUT THESE TOPICS AND AT LEAST GIVE YOU MY PERSPECTIVE. IT MAY NOT BE THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY'S PERSPECTIVE, BUT IT'LL BE MINE. THANK YOU. YOU CAN. THIS RESONATES WITH YOU, BUT. ERICA. THE DETAIL THAT YOU DO HAVE TO DO AT THAT POINT, THAT WAS WHAT I'VE BEEN WAS HEARING WAS BY THE WE DON'T WANT TO GO THERE FIRST BECAUSE IT'S SO MUCH. NOW WE HAVE TO HAVE LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO BUILD IT OUT THAT FAR AND THEN HAVE TO SOME CHANGE. IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE. IT'S JUST TOO EXPENSIVE. HAVING SAID THAT, DOES THIS EVER HAPPEN WHERE THEY GO FOR THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS WEIGH IN AND THERE'S THIS COMMENT THAT THEY ADDRESS AND THEN AFTER THEY ADDRESS IT, SOMEONE ELSE SEES IT FOR THE NEXT REVIEW ROUND AND THEY'RE LIKE, OH, WELL, NOW YOU WERE FINE WITH ME, BUT NOW YOU'RE NOT FINE WITH ME. NOW YOU GOT TO DO THAT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. IT HAPPENS ON A DAILY BASIS. I HAVE A PROJECT RIGHT NOW THAT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION THAT WE FOUND AN ISSUE IN THE PILINGS. OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IDENTIFIED AN ISSUE. WE CHANGED THE PILING CONFIGURATION WHILE PUTTING THE FOUNDATIONS IN THE GROUND. AND WHEN THE PERMIT WENT BACK INTO BUILDING DEPARTMENT, WE GOT A COMMENT FROM FIRE. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY FIRE WAS LOOKING AT IT. WE HAVE A FIRE PERMIT. BUT FIRE LOOKED AT IT AGAIN WHEN WE CAME BACK FOR FOUNDATIONS BECAUSE IT GOES THROUGH EVERY SINGLE DEPARTMENT, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE REVISION IS. IF I'M MAKING A FOUNDATION REVISION FIRE FOUND A LEGITIMATE CONCERN AND THE INSPECTOR WOULD HAVE PROBABLY FOUND IT. BUT BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IS THAT'S THE TYPE OF STUFF THAT'S BOGGING YOUR SYSTEM DOWN. AND, AND, AND AGAIN, I REFER TO THE COUNTY BECAUSE WE DO AS MUCH WORK IN THE COUNTY AS WE DO IN THE CITY. THE SAME THING HAPPENS ON A PLAN REVIEW LEVEL IN THE COUNTY. WE HAVE PLANS GO IN FOR A REVISION. EVERY DEPARTMENT REVIEWS IT, AND THE ELECTRICAL ENGINEER KICKS OUT A COMMENT THAT HE DID IN THE LAST TWO TIMES HE SAW IT. IT HAPPENS ALL THE TIME AND IT'S A DIFFICULT SITUATION TO PUT STAFF IN BECAUSE THE PLANS ARE SO HUGE NOWADAYS, BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF EFFORT AND WORK THAT GOES INTO THEM NOW. BUT ON THE STAFF SIDE OF THAT, SOMETIMES THERE WILL BE AN AMENDMENT. THEY'LL MAKE A REVISION TO THE PLAN TO ADDRESS ONE DEPARTMENT'S CONCERN, AND THE CHANGE THAT THEY MAKE NOW BECOMES AN ISSUE FOR ANOTHER DEPARTMENT. ABSOLUTELY. SO THAT'S WHY EVERY DEPARTMENT REVIEWS IT AGAIN, BECAUSE YOU YOU KNOW, LET'S SAY THEY'RE REQUIRED TO REVISE THEIR TRUST DESIGN FOR STRUCTURAL. WELL, NOW THAT AFFECTS THE HEIGHT OR THE OVERHANG FOR ZONING. NOW I GET HOW THEY'RE ALL INTERCONNECTED. AND THAT'S MY POINT. YEAH. AND THE AND THE ISSUE AND THE ISSUE ON HAND WITH DRB IS NOT POST PERMIT. IT'S ALL PRE PERMIT, RIGHT? SO THE POST PERMIT ISSUE IS A DIFFERENT ISSUE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AS ARCHITECTS, IF WE AGAIN, TO, TO THIS POINT, WE PUT TOGETHER BETTER PLANS, WE'LL GET LESS COMMENTS. I KNOW THAT WE, WE FIGHT THAT EVERY DAY. THE BETTER OUR PLANS ARE, THE LESS COMMENTS WE GET. BUT THE PRE PERMIT SIDE OF THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE TO FIX. AND TO. VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP'S ITEM ON THE. THE 5000FT■!S THAT GOT HUNG UP BY SB TWO, 55,000FT■!S WAS TOO SMALL. I MEAN, THE AVERAGE HOUSE IN THE CITY OF NAPLES IS 5000FT■!S. IF YOU GUYS WANT TO SEE THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE EVERYTHING. YOU'RE HERE A LOT. NOW IMAGINE HOW MUCH YOU'D BE HERE IF YOU SAW EVERY BUILDING IN NAPLES THAT WAS [07:35:04] BIGGER THAN 5000FT■!S. I'D RECOMMEND. I THINK THERE'S I THINK THERE'S, YOU KNOW, FROM THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY, WE THINK THAT THE ZONING CODE IS GOOD. IT NEEDS TWEAKED. IT NEEDS SOME FIXES, FIXES THAT YOU GUYS WANT, BUT THERE'S ALSO FIXES THAT WE WANT IN THAT AND THEN THAT IN THAT CODE ALSO SPEAK UP. WE NEED WORKFORCE HOUSING. OH OKAY. SO BUT I MEAN, BUT BUT BUT ALSO TO, TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO AN EARLIER TOPIC SO I CAN TRY TO STAY ON TOPIC IN ALL MUNICIPALITIES NATIONWIDE. IF SOMETHING IN THE CODE IS NOT SPOKEN TO, IT FALLS BACK TO ANOTHER CODE AND IT'S ASSUMED RESPONSIBLE. I'VE PUT UNDERGROUND PARKING IN NUMEROUS COUNTIES, NOT THROUGHOUT THE STATE. THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY, UNDERGROUND PARKING IS JUST IT'S GIVEN SQUARE FOOTAGE. IT'S IN A DOCTRINE. IT'S IN NCAA DOCTRINE THAT YOU GO UNDERGROUND TO IMPROVE YOUR ABILITY TO SUPPORT YOUR BUILDING, TO CONSTRUCT YOUR BUILDING, TO FACILITATE NEEDS WITHIN YOUR BUILDING, TO FACILITATE PARKING. AND, AND THAT'S OKAY. BUT WE HAVE ONE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE THAT IS FOR THE WHOLE STATE. AND EACH CITY IS DIFFERENT TOPOGRAPHY AND EACH CITY WHEN HAS DIFFERENT OR THE WATER MANAGEMENT WHEN I WATCH A THOUSAND GALLONS A DAY GOING IN DIRTY WATER DE-WATERING UNDERGROUND INTO A LAKE THAT IS SPRING LAKE THAT NO EAST LAKE AND WE HAVE TO CLEAN IT UP. WELL, THAT DOESN'T MAKE A BIT OF SENSE TO ME. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. SO UNTIL I CAN HAVE THE CODES AND THE PROTECTION MECHANISMS THAT YOU CAN BUILD UNDERGROUND, BUT YOU'RE NOT DIRTYING MY STORMWATER POND AND POLLUTING THE BAY, THEN IT'S NOT OKAY. AGREED. OKAY, BUT BUT THERE STILL HAS TO BE A MECHANISM FOR A DEVELOPER TO COME IN WITH UNDERGROUND PARKING AND WORK THROUGH THAT PROCESS WITHOUT COUNCIL HAVING TO DO A YEAR'S WORTH OF WORKSHOPS. AND THAT. AND I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF THE PROCESS THAT'S MISSING IN THE CITY, IS THE ABILITY TO AMEND THE CODE WHEN, WHEN, WHEN DEVIATIONS WERE REMOVED. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS WE HEAR ALL THE TIME IS WE DON'T WANT TO BE MIAMI. WHEN THE SEVEN FOOT DEVIATION FOR HEIGHT WAS REMOVED, MOST OF THE BUILDINGS IN NAPLES TURNED MODERN BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO ANY ROOF OBSTRUCTIONS OVER 42FT. SO EVERYTHING GOT FLATTENED, EVERYTHING GOT VERY MODERN. SO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO LOOK LIKE MODERN, YOU GOT TO GIVE US THE DEVIATIONS BACK. BUT THE DEVIATIONS ARE CONTROLLED ITEM AND THE CONTROLLED ITEMS THROUGH DEVIATION. IF THERE WAS A DEVIATION FOR HEIGHT IT CAME IN FRONT OF COUNCIL. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM CAME IN FRONT OF COUNCIL. WHEN WHEN WE PUT THE MARRIOTT UNDER CONSTRUCTION, WE GOT EMAILS WEEKLY ABOUT WHY ARE WE BUILDING THAT PRISON OVER THERE, HOW BAD THAT BUILDING LOOKS. AND IT'S ONE OF THE MOST REMARKABLE LOOKING BUILDINGS IN THE CITY OF NAPLES. IT HAS THE V AS IT HAS TWO VIAS IN IT. SO WE'VE WE'VE ADDRESSED THOSE. THANK YOU TO DRB, BY THE WAY. WELL, WE HAD THEM IN THERE AND DRB JUST MOVED ONE OF THEM FOR US ON, ON THE, THE, THE 1601 PROJECT TO MISS MARTIN'S POINT, AS THOSE BUILDINGS GOT TALLER, THOSE BUILDING SETBACKS GOT BIGGER. AND THERE'S A 60 FOOT SEPARATION BETWEEN THOSE TWO BUILDINGS THAT WASN'T THERE WHEN MANSION HOUSE WAS THERE. WHEN MANSION HOUSE WAS THERE, THERE WAS A 20 FOOT SEPARATION BETWEEN THOSE TWO BUILDINGS. AND AGAIN, TO MISS MARTIN'S POINT, SHE HAD US MOVE THE ENTRANCE OF THAT BUILDING TO MAKE SURE THAT THE ENTRANCE LINED UP WITH THE POSITION BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS SO THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD GET THAT VIEW. SO THAT WAS THAT WAS THE STAFF WORKING WITH US TO MAKE THAT PROCESS WORK. AND THAT BUILDING WENT IN FRONT OF DRB FOUR TIMES. SO THERE WAS PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITY INPUT ON THAT BUILDING. AND VIEWS ARE VESTED RIGHTS. LOOK, YOU'VE GOT VIEWS. VIEWS ARE VESTED RIGHTS. I'M HERE TO HELP. CALL ME ANYTIME. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY GO DO WHAT YOU NEED TO DO AND BRING IT BACK TO US. I MEAN, HONESTLY, LET'S JUST GET IT. I'VE HEARD. GET IT TO THE FINISH LINE FOR PETE'S. OH, ARE YOU WAITING TO SPEAK? DID YOU DID YOU SEND A SLIP? OH. DO YOU HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT SLIP? DO YOU HAVE A SLIP? HE GAVE IT TO ME. I GAVE IT TO HIM. OH, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S THE SAME ITEM. DID YOU GET IT? I DON'T IF I DO KNOW IT'S REDUNDANT. WELL, PLEASE COME FORWARD. WE'LL FIND IT FOR YOU. SIR, I APOLOGIZE. NO, PLEASE. YES, I DO, AND I'M EMBARRASSED TO COME BACK. YOU WERE NICE ENOUGH TO LET ME COME BEFORE YOU EARLIER. AND I HAD TOLD YOU ABOUT THE OF HARBOR HOUSE. THE HOW THAT IS AFFECTING THE VALUE OF MY HOME, WHICH IS 83 FOR MY KIDS, AND I. I SAID SOMETHING I [07:40:01] SHOULD HAVE NEVER SAID I WAS WRONG. I SAID, FIVE FIGURES. I'M TALKING OVER $1 MILLION. I JUST WANTED TO CORRECT THAT. I DIDN'T WANT IT TO STAY ON A RECORD. AND I AM EMBARRASSED. AND I THANK YOU AGAIN. AND I'M SORRY TO TAKE UP YOUR TIME. NO, WE WANT THE RECORD STRAIGHT. THANK YOU. THAT'S PERFECT. THANK YOU FOR MAKING THAT CLEAR. GOOD EVENING, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I COULDN'T HEAR YOU. NO. WE THANK YOU FOR MAKING THE RECORD CLEAR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MA'AM. WHO NEEDS DIRECTION? I DO, BUT I HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THAT IS. THOSE WHO HAVE COMMENTED ON WHICH WHICH OF THE EXHIBITS THEY WOULD LIKE HAVE MENTIONED BE. I'VE GOT ONE. TWO. BLANKENSHIP. YES. SCHULTZ. BE. KROLL. THE THING WITH B IS IT'S A STRAIGHT LINE. YEAH. USE YOUR MIC. YEAH. I MEAN, THE CONCERN I HAVE WITH THIS IS DRB CAN GO STRAIGHT TO A BUILDING PERMIT. AND I THINK IT'S WAY TOO MUCH POWER FOR ANY BOARD. I MEAN I DO THINK THERE SHOULD BE ANOTHER SET OF EYES ON THIS PERSONALLY FROM AN INTERNAL CONTROL STANDPOINT. I MEAN, I MEAN, I JUST THAT THAT ONE LINE WELL, AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT. WHAT ARE THOSE PROJECTS? WHICH IS WHY I ASKED WHAT COMES THROUGH DRB THAT WE DON'T SEE OR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT IT GOES BACK TO WHAT MR. BLANKENSHIP SAID AND THE FACT THAT YOU PASSED AN ORDINANCE THAT PUT COUNCIL BACK IN PLAY ON CERTAIN CRITERIA, WHETHER IT WAS 5000 OR YOU AMEND THAT TO SOMETHING ELSE, AND THAT'S BEEN HELD IN ABEYANCE, GIVEN SB 250. SO EVERYTHING WE DISCUSSED TODAY THAT WASN'T DRB RELATED, THAT TALKED ABOUT YOUR ACTUAL CODE CHANGES, WE WOULD BE PASSING CODE THAT'S REDUNDANT. MAYBE IT WOULD PULL IT BACK FROM 5000 TO 10,000, WHATEVER THAT SQUARE FOOTAGE IS. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU ALREADY HAVE A CODE THAT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ENFORCE. IT WOULD HAVE ALREADY REQUIRED THEM TO COME BACK TO YOU. SO CHANGING THE CODE AGAIN TO DO SOMETHING ELSE WE CAN ENFORCE IS AND AGAIN, SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CLEAR AND THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE DELINEATED STRAIGHT PATH HAS AN ORDINANCE OVER HERE THAT MAKES IT GO A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, BUT JUST NOT USABLE HAS HANDED US WHAT I'M SAYING IS OUR ONLY THING TO PROTECT US IS OUR PROCEDURES, NOT OUR NOT OUR ORDINANCES. SO BECAUSE THEY CIRCUMVENT, YOU KNOW, SB 180. SO OUR PROCEDURES ARE IMPORTANT NOW MORE THAN EVER BECAUSE BECAUSE OF WHAT'S HAPPENED. BUT THE PROCEDURES ARE DRIVEN BY CODE AND THEREFORE WE CAN'T JUST ARBITRARILY SEND IT TO ANOTHER BOARD AND OR TO CITY COUNCIL WITHOUT A WITHOUT THE CODE SUPPORTING. THAT'S THE DECISION. THAT'S ALL I'M GETTING AT, SIR. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE ERIC IS A, D OR B APPEAL TO CITY CITY COUNCIL. AN APPEAL TO A DRB DECISION GOES TO CITY COUNCIL. YES. SO THAT MIGHT BE PART OF THE PROTECTION THAT YOU WOULD. YEAH. NO, WE'VE ONLY HAD ONE. AND THAT WAS THE NAPLES BEACH HOTEL. WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT IT WAS ON THE BOOKS AS A CODE THAT YOU COULD APPEAL TO THE COUNCIL. SO THAT WAS A WHOLE NEW I. WAKING UP IS THE ONLY DECISION THAT THIRD PARTY. YOU CAN HAVE A THIRD PARTY APPEAL TO A DRB DECISION, BUT. AND WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT WE TIGHTEN UP THE FACT THAT EVEN THOUGH THIS IS KIND OF WHAT AN INTERPRETATION IS AND THAT IN. LOOK AT THE COMP PLAN AND SEE IF IT'S STRONG ENOUGH TO GIVE YOU THAT CRITERIA THAT YOU NEED TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS THAT. VICE MAYOR WAS SAYING, YOU KNOW, THE MAKE SURE THAT IF IT'S IN FOR ME, I ONE OF YOU WILL BE MAYOR ONE DAY. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE MEMO VERSUS THE STAFF REPORT AND THE RESOLUTION OR THE ORDINANCE ARE ALL TIED TOGETHER. BECAUSE IF IT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT, IF IT'S IN THE MEMO AND IT'S NOT IN THE RESOLUTION UNDER THE ORDINANCE, WE DON'T HAVE THE PROTECTION IN THERE. MADAM MAYOR, I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU THE STEPS OF THE COMP PLAN, AND I RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT THE COMP PLAN. WHAT'S THE SECOND STEP IS TO CHANGE THE CODE SO YOU CAN PUT THE CRITERIA IN THE COMP PLAN. THEN FINISH THE JOB BY CHANGING THE CODE, WHICH GIVES STAFF THE SUPPORT THAT THEY'RE FOLLOWING, THE CODE WHICH FOLLOWS THE COMP PLAN. SO BUT AS LONG AS YOUR CODE AND YOUR COMP PLAN, IF YOU DON'T FOLLOW IT THROUGH TO THE NEXT STEP, THEY'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE EITHER IN CONTRAST OR YOU HAVE A BLACK HOLE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER EXPRESSION. AND IT'S THAT FOLLOW THROUGH TO THE TO THE CODE THAT WILL MAKE IT AN EFFECTIVE COMP PLAN AND WILL MAKE THE PROCESS STREAMLINED SO THAT YOU'RE NOT MAKING A DECISION BASED ON CODE THAT CAN POSSIBLY BE CONTRARY TO COMP PLAN. IT'S THE FOLLOW THROUGH THAT WILL MAKE THOSE THINGS LINE UP, BUT THE COMP PLAN WILL [07:45:04] DICTATE. I MEAN, WILL, WHAT'S THE PROPER WORD? THE COMP PLAN IS PROCEEDS OR IS THE AUTHORITY OVER THE CODE? WELL, ASK THE ATTORNEY. IT DOES HAVE PRECEDENCE, BUT IT'S IMPLEMENTED, AS GARY SAID, BY YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. YEAH, YOU JUST CAN'T. OTHERWISE YOU WOULD JUST DO A COMP PLAN AND SAY, I'M JUST REFERRING TO THAT DOCUMENT. YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW IT THROUGH AND GO THROUGH THOSE STEPS. THAT'S ALL. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY IS IT JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN IN A VACUUM. AND WE HAVE TO PROTECT OUR CITY. AND THE WHOLE STATE IS IS BEING FACED WITH. TWO 5180 I'M SORRY, YOU GUYS THERE? SARASOTA JUST STOOD UP AND SAID, SUE US OVER 180. WE HAVE TO PROTECT OUR CITY'S. YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY HAS TO STAND STRONG FOR OUR COMMUNITIES. AND IF THEY IF WE GET SUED, I'M SORRY, I DON'T WANT TO WASTE THE TAXPAYERS DOLLARS, BUT FOR A STATE TO TAKE AWAY HOME RULE, IT'S JUST UNACCEPTABLE. AND IT'S CAUSED A LOT OF PAIN AND ANGUISH. AND WE REALLY HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANYWHERE. BUT I'LL JUST SKIP OVER THAT. SO, ERICA, WHAT ELSE DID YOU SAY YOU NEEDED CLARIFICATION ON? I WILL BRING BACK TO YOU? THE NECESSARY AMENDMENTS TO ACCOMPLISH EXHIBIT B. YOU ARE SO FUNNY. AND THAT MEANS ALSO THAT JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE THAT DRP PROCESS, THEY DON'T LOOK AT SIGNAGE AND LIGHTING UNTIL THE SECOND DRP. SO THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO GO TO THE FIRST. ESSENTIALLY WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE IS ALL OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS FOR FINAL ARE GOING TO BE THE DRB REVIEW. SO THEY WILL BE REVIEWING THE MORE DETAILED VERSION. AND IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE LET US KNOW. I'M TRYING TO WORK WITH YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. HE'S GOING TO BE HERE WEDNESDAY. DON'T FORGET. YEAH. ANYTHING ELSE? WE'RE NOT DONE WITH HIM. REMEMBER, SHE CAN BE REACHED BY PHONE. WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT. YOU CAN? YES, MR. YOUNG. OKAY. YEAH, I'M FINE WITH THAT DIRECTION. GREAT. I JUST WANTED TO DISCUSS. IT'S 513. YES, WE HAVE TWO ITEMS. ONE IS GENERATORS, WHICH IS. IT DOES HAVE. IT WAS INTENDED TO TRY TO GET THIS BEFORE YOU, BUT IT DOES HAVE A LOT OF NUANCES AND COULD BE A LENGTHY DISCUSSION. IN ADDITION, WE HAVE A BUILDING DEPARTMENT FEE DISCUSSION WHICH CAN WE DO THAT FIRST? WELL, IT'S THERE'S A IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE. AND I'LL SAY THAT BECAUSE I ALSO DON'T THINK AFTER NINE HOURS YOU TAKE ON A FEE DISCUSSION EITHER. SO I WOULD BE MORE INCLINED. THIS IS ME PERSONALLY AND I KNOW. STEVE. I'M SORRY, STEVE, BUT FOR ME, I WOULD RATHER ADD THIS ONE TO EITHER THE MAY 6TH MEETING OR THE THE CIP WORKSHOP TO HAVE THE FEE DISCUSSION. IT STILL ENABLES US TO HAVE TWO READING ON AN ORDINANCE IF IT SHOULD BE DONE AND AND THAT WE BRING THE GENERATORS BACK ON THE JUNE 13TH, WHICH IS RIGHT NOW INTENDED TO BE THAT PART OF THE DISCUSSION, PLUS THE FIFTH, POTENTIALLY THE FIFTH AVENUE OVERLAY DISCUSSION AND BRINGING THAT BACK TO THE FOREFRONT. SO I THINK IT'S A NATURAL MEETING TO HAVE, BUT I'LL I'LL DEFER TO THIS COUNCIL IF YOU WANT TO KEEP TRUDGING THROUGH. WELL, I, I'M ALL WITH YOU WHEN YOU'RE TIRED, YOU'RE TIRED AND YOU'RE NOT MAKING GOOD DECISIONS. I AGREE, I JUST WORRY ABOUT PUTTING THE GENERATORS OFF UNTIL HURRICANE SEASON. YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO INSTALL THEM BEFORE THE HURRICANE, YOU MIGHT WANT TO TALK TO ERICA. I'LL GIVE YOU THE BRIEFEST OF PREVIEW SO THAT YOU CAN BETTER MAKE THIS DECISION. THE GIST OF THE PRESENTATION THAT WE'RE GOING TO BRING TO YOU TODAY IS THAT WE'VE RESEARCHED THIS. WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS WITH ALL THE PROFESSIONALS, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. THIS IS AN INCREDIBLY COMPLEX AND NUANCED DISCUSSION. WE THOUGHT MAYBE THERE WAS A YOU KNOW, IS THERE A QUICK FIX WE COULD, YOU KNOW, DO THERE IS NOT BETWEEN THE CHANGES TO BUILDING CODES, THE CHANGES TO GENERATOR MANUFACTURER SPECS, THIS IS GOING TO BE A MUCH MORE COMPLICATED ISSUE AT BEST. WE MAY BE ABLE TO CRAFT LANGUAGE THAT WOULD HELP SOME PEOPLE. WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM FOR EVERYONE. IS THE CLIFF NOTES VERSION OF THAT. IT'S IT'S VERY COMPLEX. WE CAN WE'VE PROVIDED TO YOU THE, THE MATERIAL. IF YOU WANT TO REVIEW THAT, WE CAN HAVE MEETINGS, WE CAN DISCUSS THIS ISSUE WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY. BUT IT IS A VERY IT'S A VERY COMPLICATED TOPIC. AND WE DIDN'T EVEN ANTICIPATE THAT GOING IN EITHER. BUT. OKAY. SO WE WILL. AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE AN EXTRA MEETING [07:50:06] JUST ON GENERATORS IF YOU'RE CONCERNED THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET THEIR GENERATOR PERMIT. WE CAN JUST PUT ALL THE GENERATOR CONCERNS ON ONE DAY FOR TWO HOURS. ADDITIONALLY, THE I MEAN, THE THERE IS A PROCESS. THERE'S A VARIANCE PROCESS THAT IS AVAILABLE RIGHT NOW WILL CONTINUE TO BE AVAILABLE. I HATE TO BREAK IT, BUT I THINK THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE PATH THAT MOST PEOPLE ARE GOING TO USE ANYWAY, EVEN IF WE DO MAKE SOME CHANGES. SO IT'S NOT WE'RE NOT BY NOT TAKING ACTION TODAY, YOU'RE NOT WE'RE NOT PREVENTING PEOPLE FROM APPLYING TO FOR A GENERATOR. THEY STILL HAVE A PROCESS THAT THEY CAN USE TO GET A GENERATOR IF THEY NEED A GENERATOR. WE'RE HOPING TO, TO SIMPLIFY THAT SIGNIFICANTLY. AND I'VE ALREADY HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH ERICA AND I, AND I WENT, OH MAN, REALLY SORRY. SO BUT THE POINT IS OUR TO OUR PUBLIC, THERE IS STILL A PROCESS TO GET A GENERATOR. IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO DO. ABSOLUTELY. SO DO APPLY, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. AND WE AS A COUNCIL WILL CONSIDER IT AS WE NEED TO DO SO. YEAH. SO IT CAN COME BACK TO US 60 IF YOU'D LIKE. YEAH. AND IF IF BY THE GRACE OF GOD, WE HAVE MORE TIME IN THE SECOND MEETING AND COUNCIL IN MAY, I'LL MOVE IT BACK UP. BUT, BUT I JUST KNOW HOW, HOW HEAVY THOSE LOOKAHEADS ARE BECOMING. BUT OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY AT THE LATEST IT WOULD BE JUNE. OTHERWISE I WOULD TRY TO BRING IT UP IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY TO DO SO. OKAY. JUST THINKING JUNE IS THE WORKSHOP, SO A POTENTIAL ORDINANCE, IF WE GOT AGREEMENT WOULDN'T BE UNTIL THE FALL PROBABLY. SO YEAH, THAT'S WHY I SAID I'LL LOOK TOWARDS THE SECOND MEETING IN MAY IF THERE'S A POSSIBILITY. BUT A LOT OF THAT TOO, DEPENDS ON HOW MANY LAND USE ITEMS AND OTHER THINGS COME OUT OF PA I DON'T HAVE. OKAY, AS OF RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE NOT A LOT OF LAND USE ITEMS, SO WE'LL MAKE HER WORK THAT DAY REGARDLESS. BUT JUST ONE THING. ALL THESE GENERATOR ISSUES, THE ONES THAT HAVE ISSUES, THEIR PROPERTY LINE IS NOT GOING TO WORK AND ALL THAT. WHAT ABOUT A PORTABLE GENERATOR? I MEAN, YOU CAN WHEEL A GENERATOR OUT OF YOUR GARAGE AND PUT IT ANYWHERE YOU WANT. WELL, THAT COULD BE A POSSIBLE SOLUTION FOR PEOPLE THAT HAVE ISSUES AND PROBLEMS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY IT DOESN'T. THE WHOLE HOUSE. IT DOES NOT. OKAY. NO. BUT IF IF WE IF, GOD FORBID, THERE WAS AN EMERGENCY, YOU KNOW, AND SOON. YES. THAT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED IN A IN A COMMUNICATIONS ALSO ON WHAT YOU CAN DO, BECAUSE THAT CAN BE A DANGEROUS SITUATION FOR SOME. SO YEAH, BE SAFE. BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO COME BY AND SAY THAT'S THAT DOESN'T MEET SETBACKS. OKAY. SO THAT TO BE CONTINUED. SIX F AND SORRY, MR. BECKMAN, AND THEN WE'VE ALREADY TACKLED SIX G. THANK YOU STAFF. IT'S BEEN A BEAUTIFUL DAY. ERIC. ERICA, COULD YOU STAY AROUND FOR COMMUNICATION? THANK YOU. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. MADAM CLERK, I HAVE [8) COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, AND STAFF] NONE. ARE GO TO CORRESPONDENCE AND COMMUNICATIONS. FIRST OF ALL, I'M GOING TO START OFF WITH HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO COUNCIL MEMBER CARL AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO COUNCIL MEMBER. I MEAN TO VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP. DAVID, I WAS LIKE, THAT'S NOT A SOUND YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON FIREWORKS, FIREWORKS. WE HAVE TO GET APPROVAL FOR THOSE FIREWORKS. DAVID, HOW LONG DID IT TAKE YOU? THANK YOU DAVID. WE'RE GOOD NOW. AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO WEAR THE HAT. THANK GOD. MANY BLESSINGS TO YOU. HAPPY BIRTHDAY. ANY CORRESPONDENCE? COMMUNICATIONS? YEAH. I THINK, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH THE PLAN IS REALLY WAS REALLY INTERESTING. I MEAN, IT'S IT'S A MEGA PROJECT THOUGH. I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S A LOT THERE. I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT TO THINK ABOUT. AND. IT CAN BE OVERWHELMING WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT. YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT, A LOT THERE. I THINK ON THE ON THE FLIP SIDE, THIS HB 405 IS A REAL IT'S A SHAME. IT'S AN ABSOLUTE SHAME THAT WE HAVE TO WASTE TIME AND MONEY ON SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST THE RESIDENTS OF THIS TOWN AND HAVE THESE POLITICIANS TURN THEIR BACK ON THE RESIDENTS AND DO WHAT THEY WANT. AND BROUGHT THIS TO US TODAY. I THINK IT'S JUST AN ABSOLUTE SHAME THAT WE ARE WASTING MONEY AND TIME DOING THIS RIGHT NOW. AND THAT'S WHY I SAID INVESTIGATIONS NEEDED. I REALLY THINK THERE'S SOMETHING BIGGER TO THIS BECAUSE IT'S NOT WHAT THE PEOPLE WANT. IT'S IT'S IT'S [07:55:04] THE CITY'S ASSET. SO I HOPE. THAT AVENUE DOES HAPPEN AND WE JUST HAVE TO I THINK AS A COUNCIL, WE REALLY HAVE TO STAND UP AGAINST THIS REALLY TOUGH. WE GOT TO BE TOUGH ON IT. THANK YOU BARTON. I THINK FOR ME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YESTERDAY WAS THE INTERNATIONAL DAY OF REMEMBRANCE FOR THE HOLOCAUST. AND I WENT AND TO. CAN'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF THE SHABBAT. BUT ANYWAY. FIVE SURVIVORS SPOKE AND THEY WERE. I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT THIS. MY MOTHER IN LAW'S 92, BORN IN 1929. SO WHEN SHE WAS 15, 16, THE PRISON HADN'T BEEN LIBERATED YET. AND TO THINK THAT SO HER SHE'S LIKE THESE WHAT THEY EXPERIENCED, WHAT THEY HAD TO LIVE THROUGH WAS OVERWHELMING. AND I JUST HAD TO SAY SOMETHING BECAUSE THEY WERE BRAVE ENOUGH. TO SHARE THEIR STORIES. AND I THINK WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT. SO LIKE, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT 2000 YEARS AGO, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN MY MOTHER IN LAW WAS, YOU KNOW, A JUNIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL. SO LIKE, VERY SOBERING. ANYWAY, GOD BLESS THEM. AND I JUST FEEL LIKE I SHOULD MENTION THAT. THANK YOU. NOTHING ELSE. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ, THANK YOU. SITUATION. I'VE BEEN GETTING PHONE CALLS FROM THE RESIDENTS THAT THEY'VE OPENED THE COFFEE SHOP BAR, WHATEVER THAT IS IN THERE AND LEGAL. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN GET SOMEBODY ON THAT BECAUSE MATTHEW HAD TOLD ME, I BELIEVE THE ADMINISTRATION'S ALREADY ON IT. THERE WAS A N O V ISSUED. YEAH. SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. ONE ASKED WHY I ASKED ERICA TO TO STAY IS PETTIT SQUARE SPECIFICALLY, AND I WOULD HAVE BROUGHT IT UP HAD YOU NOT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS IS PETTIT SQUARE, AND MR. BLANKENSHIP BROUGHT IT UP AS PART OF ANOTHER DISCUSSION. SO FIRST OF ALL, AS IT PERTAINS TO CODE, CODE IS HAS ALREADY GIVEN THEM THE WRITTEN NOTICE. THEY HAVE NOT FILED A A PLAN YET WITH PLANNING TO HAVE ASCERTAINED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OR ALL THE OTHER THINGS. SO BETWEEN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND THE ADMINISTRATION, WE'RE DEALING WITH BOTH THE THEM AS A CODE VIOLATION, MEANING THOSE WHO ARE OPERATING THE COFFEE SHOP AND THE AND THE ATTORNEY'S AS IT PERTAINS TO WHAT ELSE THEY ARE NEEDING TO DO AND WHY WE'RE SAYING WHAT WE'RE SAYING. SO IT IS BEING DONE IN CONNECTION. BUT THE POINT I WAS GOING TO MAKE IS IF THERE IS A CONSENSUS OF THIS COUNCIL THAT YOU DON'T WANT PETTIT SQUARE TO HAPPEN AGAIN, AND THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS, IF YOU DON'T WANT AN EXERCISE FACILITY IN ANY C ONE AND ONLY IN A IN A HEAVY COMMERCIAL, WE HAVE TO CHANGE THE CODE TO ADD SPECIFICALLY A GYM OR PHYSICAL, YOU KNOW, FITNESS OR JAZZERCISE FACILITY AND MAKE IT IN A HEAVY COMMERCIAL. THEREFORE, IT WOULD BE BECAUSE IT WOULDN'T BE DEFINED IN THE OTHER C DISTRICTS. IT WOULD BE A CONDITIONAL USE THAT WOULD COME BACK TO YOU. SO WHEN WE ARE UP, UNSETTLED OR UPSET ABOUT SOMETHING THAT OCCURS, WE HAVE TO SAY, WHERE CAN WE CHANGE THE CODE TO STOP IT IMMEDIATELY SO IT DOESN'T HAPPEN AGAIN. AND THE WAY TO DO THAT IS SIMPLY TO CHANGE, IS TO MAKE IT A HEAVY COMMERCIAL USE THAT IT CAN BE GRANTED BASED ON THE CODE, AND ANYTHING ELSE WOULD BE A CONDITIONAL USE IN THE INDIVIDUAL DISTRICTS THAT WOULD ASSURE THAT IT COMES BACK AND EVALUATED ON THAT PART OF IT, AND NOT STAFF BEING ARBITRARY, ONE VERSUS THE OTHER. AND I'LL TELL YOU THAT I'M THE FIRST ONE THAT DOESN'T LIKE THE ACCESSORY PART OR THE PERSONAL SERVICES BROADNESS OF THAT PARTICULAR USAGE, BUT THE USAGE HAS BEEN APPLIED CONSISTENTLY ACROSS THE CITY, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAD. THE CONVERSATIONS WITH MATTHEW AND THE ATTORNEY'S OFFICE IS JUST DON'T BE ARBITRARY. BUT IF WE SAY IT ONCE IN A HEAVY DISTRICT THAT THOSE ARE GRANDFATHERED OR THAT THOSE ARE WHAT IS APPROVED IN THERE AND DEFINE THEM, AND IT'S NOT DEFINED IN THE OTHER DISTRICTS, IT AUTOMATICALLY BECOMES A CONDITIONAL USE AND COMES BACK TO YOU. SO IT'S THOSE KIND OF DECISIONS IS WHERE CODE NEEDS TO BE CHANGED. LET'S BE SPECIFIC AND LET'S GET IT IN FRONT OF YOU SO THAT WE DON'T PERPETUATE THAT SELF, BECAUSE MIXED USE OF WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THIS COMMUNITY WILL BE ITS OWN PERPETUAL PROBLEM PROSPECTIVELY, WITH THE NUMBER OF MIXED USES THAT WE HAVE, EVEN THOUGH THE RESIDENTIAL IS THE CONDITIONAL USE IN THE C ONE DISTRICT WHERE PETTIT SQUARE IS. BUT I'M SORRY IF I. BUT I JUST THINK THAT I WOULD LIKE. IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE COULD GET CONSENSUS TO COME BACK WITH YOU. LEGISLATION. CLEAN THAT UP, MAKE HEAVY, HEAVY, HEAVY, HEAVY COMMERCIAL AS WHERE WE CAN DO AND CREATE A SEPARATE CRITERIA SO CAN'T BE [08:00:06] IN THERE ANYMORE. AND THEN THAT WOULD MAKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT COME BACK TO YOU. SO YES, WE DON'T WANT ANOTHER PAIR OF SQUARE. I DID MY RIDE ALONG WITH THE WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SATURDAY NIGHT FROM 6 TO 1115. AND THAT WAS INCREDIBLY ILLUMINATING TO SEE THIS CITY WHEN THE SUN GOES DOWN AND WHAT OUR, OUR FINEST ARE DOING FOR US. HAD NO IDEA I DIDN'T. YOU SEE NAPLES BY DAY AND BY NIGHT. BUT WHEN YOU GET TO THE LATER HOURS, YOU REALLY GET TO APPRECIATE IT. THAT THAT WAS PRETTY AMAZING. I THANK CYRIL FOR DOING THAT. AND THEN SERGEANT HORACE GRANT WAS OUTSTANDING. I NEED I VISITED SWAN SWAN LAKE AND I NEED DOCTOR GEORGE TO GO VISIT WITH ME TO THE PEOPLE RUNNING THAT. AND THEN THERE WAS. I UNDERSTAND THE PASSIONS RUN DEEP ON ON 4005, BUT I'M GETTING PHONE CALLS BETWEEN 11 AND 12 AT NIGHT. I MEAN PEOPLE AND AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND PASSIONS RUN DEEP, BUT THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME DECENCY OF OF WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO CALL. I'VE HAD TO BLOCK RESIDENTS. YOU CAN'T BLOCK ME. I'M YOUR BOSS, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. IT'S AFTER 11:00. I MEAN, CALL THE COUNTY AND MY CITY COUNCIL PHONE AND I CAN LET IT GO AND GET TO IT DURING THE DAY. BUT CALL OFF THE DOGS. I MEAN, EVERYBODY'S POINTS ARE THERE. I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS THAT I THINK ARE LOGICAL. THE. THE WATER PARK, THE PROGRESS ON THAT IS WHAT I MENTIONED EARLIER. THINGS ARE ON A VERY GOOD STEAD WITH THAT. WITH THAT SITUATION, I COULD SHARE WITH COUNCIL THAT I BELIEVE MAY 10TH IS GOING TO BE THE NEXT MEETING OF THE PBSD SERVICES DISTRICT AS IT PERTAINS TO WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. IF YOU ALL HAVE AN INTEREST. I DIDN'T GET THE TIME. IT'S TO BE DETERMINED. I'LL FORWARD THAT TO TO GARY. AND IF YOU HAVE AN INTEREST, WE'LL BE ABLE TO TAKE CARE OF THAT AS WELL. AND I DON'T THINK WE CAN ALL GO TO A MEETING. OH YOU'RE. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. I'M WELL I'M THERE. I CAN REPORT AFTER. THANK YOU. YEP. AND I THINK THAT STAFF SHOULD BE THERE. THAT'S WHAT WAS MY COMMENT. THAT'D BE FINE. AND I THINK THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. CONSENSUS COUNCIL THAT WE REVIEW THAT CODE AS RECOMMENDED BY. YES YES YES YES YES YES YES. THAT'S A GOTCHA. GREAT IDEA. THANK YOU ERICA. THANK YOU ERICA. QUESTION ON THAT. SO IT'S PARTLY THE GYM, BUT ALSO PARTLY THE COFFEE SHOP ARE BOTH GOING TO BE CONSIDERED. THE ONE I WOULD BE CONSIDERING IS THE GYM IN AND OF ITSELF. BECAUSE THE COFFEE SHOP, YOU HAVE A COUPLE DIFFERENT STATUTES THAT WOULD APPLY BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE, ETC. SO THAT ONE'S A LITTLE MORE COMPLEX AND AS LONG AS THEY HAVE IT MADE THE APPLICATION TO GET THE BTR AND LOCATE IT THERE AND OPERATIONAL PLAN AND SQUARE FOOTAGE, THERE'S NOTHING TO RESPOND TO. I WOULD JUST SAY THAT IN ANY OF YOUR DISTRICTS, ELIMINATING THE ABILITY TO HAVE A SMALL COFFEE SHOP, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO. I, I DON'T EQUATE THEM AS ONE AND THE SAME. AND I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THAT EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE YOUR OWN SET OF PROBLEMS WITH THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION, THE COFFEE SHOP IS IT IS GOING TO PROVIDE THE FOOT TRAFFIC. BUT AGAIN, THE CONDITIONAL USE IN THAT FACILITY IS ACTUALLY THE RESIDENTIAL. SO YOU'RE I'M NOT GOING TO BE DEALING WITH THAT BY A HEAVY. A HEAVY COMMERCIAL FOR A COFFEE SHOP WOULD BE A LOGICAL TO A CERTAIN DEGREE. DOESN'T MAKE IT ANY BETTER IN THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION. I'M JUST EXPLAINING TO YOU. I'M ONLY TRYING TO DEAL WITH THE THE BIG TICKET ITEM AT THE MOMENT, WHICH WAS THE, THE GYM AND THE, THAT PART OF IT IN THE HEAVY COMMERCIAL, THE COFFEE SHOP'S GOING TO HAVE TO TAKE ITS OWN PATH AND IT'S GOING TO BE, IT'S GOING TO BE A LIFT FOR EVERYBODY THE ENTIRE TIME THAT THIS GOES ON. BUT, BUT, BUT YOUR CODE ISN'T. THERE'S IF THEY FOLLOW THE STEPS, IT'S GOING TO PRESENT ITS OWN SET OF PROBLEMS PERPETUALLY. I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT. RIGHT? YEAH. THANKS. THERE WAS ONE THING I'D FORGOTTEN. THURSDAY THE NINTH. I ATTENDED THE GUY FIERI SERVING THOSE WHO SERVE EVENT, AND I WAS THE ONLY ONE THERE. SO I WELCOMED GUY TO CITY OF NAPLES AND TAKING CARE OF OUR FINEST. ALL OF OUR POLICE OFFICERS, FIRE EMS WERE THERE AND FROM SOME OTHER LOCALES AS WELL. IT WAS A GREAT EVENT TO SEE THOSE THAT TAKE CARE OF US, HAVE SOMEONE APPRECIATE THEM IN THAT CAPACITY. AND I WAS HONORED TO BE TO BE THERE TO REPRESENT US ALL. SO I HAD FORGOTTEN THAT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. JUST I THIS REALLY TO ME, IT WAS A, A VERY I WANT TO GO BACK TO PETTIT SQUARE. [08:05:08] VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION. BUT SOMETIMES AND WE HAVE NEW STAFF THAT DON'T KNOW A PARTICULAR SITE, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S JUST SO LIKE WE GO AND VISIT A SITE, GO VISIT THE SITE. YOU CAN SEE, ASK QUESTIONS, GET SOME HISTORY FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE, BECAUSE THAT JUST AS A LOGICAL APPROVAL WAS A HARD ONE FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND, JUST WATCHING IT OVER THE YEARS AND IT BEING RETAIL AND THE SPACE IN GENERAL, I'M SORRY, I THINK THE AND I UNDERSTAND THE THE EMOTION BEHIND THIS, BUT THIS IS IN A DISTRICT. KEEP IN MIND, THIS ISN'T A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. THIS BUILDING IS IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. THE USE. THERE ARE A FULL LIST OF PERMITTED COMMERCIAL USES IN THAT BUILDING. THE USE THAT IS CONDITIONAL AND REQUIRES THE EXTRA REVIEW BY CITY COUNCIL FOR COMPATIBILITY IS THE RESIDENTIAL. THIS ISN'T A COMMERCIAL USE IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. THIS IS A. AND THIS IS NOT EVEN A COMMERCIAL USE IN A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING. THIS IS A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. THIS IS A MIXED USE BUILDING IN A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. THE RESIDENTIAL COMPONENT IS WHAT REQUIRES THE SPECIFIC REVIEW FOR COMPATIBILITY. AND SO ZONING. HOW THIS HOW BASIC ZONING REVIEW WORKS IS. THERE IS A LIST OF PERMITTED USES IN THAT DISTRICT. IF YOU SWAP OUT A PERMITTED USE FOR A PERMITTED USE, YOU CAN DO THAT. AND SO A PERMITTED USE IN THIS DISTRICT IS ANY OF THOSE USES LISTED. SO IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A GOING AND VISITING THE YOU KNOW, THE SITE I IT'S UNFORTUNATE. I'M NOT TRYING TO BE INSENSITIVE TO THE RESIDENTS OR TO THE CIRCUMSTANCES THERE, BUT I WHERE I HAVE TO DEFEND MY STAFF THAT THERE WAS A MISTAKE WAS NOT MADE IN, IN, YOU KNOW, PERMITTING A PERMITTED USE IN THIS DISTRICT. YOU SEE THIS ALL THE TIME, EVERY DAY IN THE CITY USES CHANGE OUT PERMITTED USE FOR PERMITTED USE. YOU'LL SEE A RESTAURANT APPEAR IN A UNIT THAT YOU DIDN'T PREVIOUSLY KNOW WAS A RESTAURANT, OR A NEW CLOTHING STORE. APPEARS IN A UNIT THAT HAD BEEN AN OFFICE BEFORE. THAT'S WHY THE WAY YOUR CODE IS WRITTEN IS IT SAYS THAT IN THIS DISTRICT, WE BELIEVE THAT THESE USES ARE APPROPRIATE. AND FOR THIS DISTRICT, IN THIS DISTRICT THAT THEY ARE IN THOUGHT THAT WAS A LISTED PERMITTED USE. BUT HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL. I'M SORRY. I'M SORRY. THIS IS NOT HIGHWAY COMMERCIAL. NO, IT'S JUST C1. RIGHT. MY CONVERSATIONS WITH MATTHEW WHEN HE WAS HERE, I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN HIS MOUTH WAS THAT IT WAS DESIGNATED FOR THE PILATES STUDIO. IT WASN'T DESIGNATED FOR A WALKING WALK OUT RESTAURANT GROUP. BEVERAGE BAR. CORRECT. AND SO THAT IT WAS DIFFERENT. WE HAVEN'T REVIEWED FOR THE COFFEE SHOP. YOU ARE CORRECT. BUT I JUST WANT TO I DO WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT IN THE LIST OF PERMITTED USES, RESTAURANT WITH CONVENTIONAL, WITH OR WITHOUT COCKTAIL LOUNGE IS A PERMITTED USE. PROVIDED THAT THEY SHOWED ME THAT THEY COULD PARK IT, I WOULD ISSUE A BUILD A TENANT FINISH FOR A RESTAURANT TO GO IN THAT SPACE IF THEY HAD THE PROVIDED PARKING. BUT IT'S A PILATES STUDIO WITH THAT. SO THERE'S TWO, THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS AND THEY WILL BE REQUIRED TO OPERATE AS SUCH AND MAKE APPLICATION AS SUCH. THAT'S WHAT I HAD ALLUDED TO, THAT WE WERE GOING DOWN THE CODE ENFORCEMENT ROUTE ON THAT PART OF IT, GOING BACK TO WHAT THE THE THE MAYOR SAID AND TO WHAT ERICA SAID. ERICA IS GOING BACK TO THE CODE. AND THE GOOD THING ABOUT LIFE IS TWO STATEMENTS CAN BE TRUE AT THE SAME TIME. AND ONE IS, IS THAT STAFF ADHERED TO THE CODE AS IT WAS WRITTEN. AND TWO, IF YOU SPEND ONE MINUTE WALKING INTO PETTIT SQUARE AND THE WAY IT ECHOES UP THE THE ATRIUM AREA THERE, THE COURTYARD, IT IS UNFORTUNATE FOR EVERY MEMBER THAT OWNS A HOUSE THERE. AND SO BOTH THINGS CAN BE TRUE, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THAT STAFF DIDN'T ADMINISTER THE CODE EVENLY ACCORDING TO THE WAY IT WAS WRITTEN. AND THAT IS WHY I BROUGHT UP THE PART ABOUT CHANGING THE CODE TO DELINEATE WHEN THAT KIND OF VOLUME AND POTENTIAL SOUND AND FOOT TRAFFIC IS IN HEAVY COMMERCIAL. IT THEN PUTS AN EXTRA LAYER OF BURDEN, WHICH WOULD BE TO HAVE IT COME AS A CONDITIONAL USE AND LOOK AT THE MAKEUP OF THE DISTRICT, NOT WHAT IT WAS WRITTEN AS 50 YEARS AGO, BUT THE CONDITIONAL USE AS IT'S PRESENTLY CONFIGURED. AND DO YOU BELIEVE IT SHOULD GO THERE? COFFEE SHOP TO GO TO ERICA'S OTHER POINT IN AND OF ITSELF WILL BE IS A LEGITIMATE PURPOSE. AND THAT'S WHY I SAID THEY'RE [08:10:07] COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS. AND THERE ARE RULES IN THE CODE THAT WILL DELINEATE THAT WHAT HAS TO BE DONE. I JUST WANT TO LEVEL SET THAT BECAUSE TWO THINGS CAN BE TRUE. RIGHT? AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND I GUESS REALLY THE OTHER PART OF THAT IS THAT IN THE DEED, IT SAID SOMETHING THAT WOULD NOT PERMIT THAT USE. AND WE DON'T GET INVOLVED WITH THE DEEDS TOO MUCH. AND IF WE DO ENFORCE PRIVATE DEED RESTRICTIONS, YES, THEN THAT'S WHERE YOU'VE GOT TO BE SO CAREFUL. AND YOU GUYS HAVE TO BE PATIENT. BECAUSE IF IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IN THE DEED, IT SHOULD REALLY SAY IT IN THE RESOLUTION BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE HELPED OUT, YOU KNOW, RESOLUTION ARE YOU REFERRING TO. WELL, WHEN THEY WHEN THEY THE CONDITIONAL USE. YEAH. THE CONDITIONAL USE. EXACTLY. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IT WAS ORIGINALLY CONDITIONAL, RIGHT? THAT IF WE COULD HAVE NOTED IN THERE, WE'VE DONE IT BEFORE WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL THAT IN THE DEED IT REFERENCED SOMETHING THAT'S JUST A PRACTICE THAT WE SHOULD MAKE SURE WE DO. IT'S NOT A STUPID STEP. IT COULD POSSIBLY IF WE HAD PEOPLE LOOK AT AT THAT RESOLUTION AND IT MATCHES THE DEED, THEN IT WOULD, BECAUSE STAFF DOESN'T HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO GO LOOK AT THE DEED. BUT WE COULD PUT IT IN THE RESOLUTION FOR FUTURE STAFF. AND THAT GOES BACK TO WHEN YOU HAVE MIXED USE AND KNOWING WHAT'S IN THAT DEED, AND HAVING A PART OF A RESOLUTION WHEN THEY'RE ADOPTED WOULD BE MUCH STRONGER GOING FORWARD, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK MIXED. I THINK MIXED USE IS HERE TO STAY A LITTLE BIT FOR A WHILE. SO THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN IN OUR PLAN AND OUR CODE. WHY IS THIS MUSIC NOT CONSIDERED ENTERTAINMENT LIKE THAT? IT'S NOT LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. LIVE ENTERTAINMENT. YEAH. WHY IS THE MUSIC CONSIDERED LIVE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT THAT WOULD REQUIRE APPROVAL BECAUSE IT'S NOT PERFORMED LIVE. YOU CAN STREAM MUSIC. YOU CAN JUST PLAY MUSIC THROUGH SPEAKERS. IT'S THE THE LIVE PERFORMANCE THAT REQUIRES THE PERMIT. BUT. IT'S AMPLIFIED MUSIC AND IS A. IMAGINE THE INSTRUCTORS TALKING OVER THE SYSTEM TOO, RIGHT? IS THAT. OH, I'M JUST. YEAH. AND IT'S COVERED BY CODE AND NOISE DECIMALS, DECIBELS. BUT I THINK IT'S GOT A SEPARATE CODE. IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO THE MUSIC PART. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ERICA. VICE MAYOR, HAPPY BIRTHDAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. MR. DICKMAN, HAPPY TO BE HERE. EVERYBODY. HAVE A GREAT NIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG. I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER, MA'AM. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND I HAD SOMETHING THAT I HAVE NOW FORGOTTEN. I GUESS I DIDN'T WRITE IT DOWN. WE WILL BE HERE WEDNESDAY. IT'S APRIL 15TH. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.