[1) ROLL CALL]
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          TO THE CRA MEETING FOR TODAY. THIS GORGEOUS DAY IN BEAUTIFUL PARADISE. WE'VE GOT SOME SPEAKERS TODAY AND A FULL AGENDA. SO IF YOU WILL PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. YEP. CLERK, WOULD YOU PLEASE CALL THE ROLL? CHAIR. PENMAN HERE. VICE CHAIR SCHULTZ, PRESENT. MEMBER. 
          BARTON HERE. MEMBER BLANKENSHIP HERE. MAYOR HEITMANN HERE. MEMBER. CRAMER HERE. MEMBER. 
          [3) SET AGENDA]
KROL HERE. ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA THAT WE NEED TO BE AWARE OF? ANY ANY CHANGES TO THE 
          [4) PUBLIC COMMENTS]
AGENDA? NO CHANGES TO THE AGENDA. WITH THAT, WE HAVE TWO PUBLIC SPEAKERS, MR. WHITAKER. 
          GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS JAMES WHITAKER. I LIVE AT 578 13TH STREET NORTH AND THAT'S HERE IN NAPLES. I'M JUST UP HERE TO, FIRST OF ALL, WELCOME THE NEW MEMBERS. AND THEN I'M ALSO HERE TO GIVE YOU GUYS A PEP TALK. SINCE I USED TO COACH BASKETBALL, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD TELL MY KIDS, IT'S ONCE YOU GET THE MOMENTUM GOING, IT'S EASY TO KEEP IT GOING. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS KEEP WORKING. WHEN YOU ALLOW FOR THE MOMENTUM TO STOP, IT TAKES A LOT TO GET IT GOING. A LOT OF EFFORT. YOU GUYS HAVE DONE THE HARD WORK TO GET RIVER PARK EAST ON THIS AGENDA TO GET RIVER PARK EAST WHOLE. IF YOU WILL PLEASE. I'M A MAN THAT LIKES TO KEEP MY WORD AND I EXPECT EVERYONE ELSE THAT GIVES ME THEIR WORD TO DO THE SAME. 
          PLEASE KEEP YOUR WORD. RIVER PARK IS IN DIRE STRAITS. WE NEED YOUR HELP, AND WE WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER THAT. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU SIR. AND THE NEXT SPEAKER IS LIZETTE BATTLE. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS LAUREN BATTLE AND I RESIDE AT 578 14TH STREET NORTH IN RIVER PARK EAST. I ALSO WANT TO SAY WELCOME TO THE NEW MEMBERS. I'M I'M SO PLEASED TO SEE EVERYONE UP HERE TODAY. I FEEL LIKE WE HAVE DEFINITELY TURNED A PAGE ON THIS CRA BOARD. YOU KNOW, PROMISES MADE ARE CERTAINLY THINGS THAT WE WERE EXCITED TO N RIVER PARK EAST. UNTIL TODAY, I THINK WE CERTAINLY A GREAT CANDIDATE FOR THAT. AND I THINK THAT WE SHOULD TRY TO ALSO FIND A WAY TO UNHOOK THE CRA MONEY FROM MAINTAINING THE GARAGES AS WELL. I THINK THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO IN RIVER PARK EAST, AND I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO IT. I KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO COME THROUGH. I JUST I'M EXCITED, BUT CAUTIOUSLY. SO BASED ON THE PAST. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY, WELCOME TO ALL OF YOU AND THANK YOU FOR COMING INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOODS TELLING US YOU SEE US AND, YOU KNOW, MAKING THE COMMITMENTS TO DO WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE WITH THIS CRA MONEY. I THINK THE PEOPLE HAVE SPOKEN IN THIS ELECTION LOUDLY. AND, YOU KNOW, THE DAYS OF OVERDEVELOPMENT AND, YOU KNOW, NAPLES BECOMING MIAMI ARE HOPEFULLY BEHIND US. AND LET'S SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO PRESERVE THE GEM OF RIVER PARK EAST. IT'S IT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF NAPLES. IT'S A WATERFRONT COMMUNITY, AND IT'S IN THE THREE, FOUR, 102. SO PLEASE DO YOUR BEST AND WE'LL BE HERE EVERY STEP OF THE WAY TO HELP YOU ANY WAY YOU NEED. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. CLARK, THERE WERE 
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SOME VISITORS IN THE BACK FROM KIMLEY-HORN. DID WE HAVE TO TO US DURING THE TO SPEAK DURING ITEM 8C8C. THANK YOU. WE NEED TO APPROVE THE AGENDA. OKAY. WITH THAT, COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA? SO MOVED. IS THERE A SECOND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR SAY AYE. 
          AYE. AND OPPOSED. THANK YOU. ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? OKAY. CAN WE HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED ON THE CONSENT. THE CONSENT. THAT'S PART OF THE CONSENT. OKAY. THANKS. SO WE'RE ON TO FIVE EIGHT. NO, A MOTION TO APPROVE 
          [APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA]
THE CONSENT AGENDA. OKAY. MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY OPPOSED. OKAY. THE THE MEETING OF THE MINUTES FIVE A, THEN I'LL NEED APPROVAL FOR THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED? AND IF NOT, COULD I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE. SO MOVED. NO, WE ALREADY APPROVED THAT. LINDA. 
          [8.A) Discussion and Adoption of the CRA's FY 2026 Goals, Objectives and Performance Measures.]
OKAY. CONSENT AGENDA. OKAY, SO WE'RE GOING ON TO EIGHT EIGHT. EIGHT A IS A DISCUSSION ADOPTION OF THE CRAS 2026 GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND PERFORMANCE MEASURES. AND WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO ANITA TO LEAD US THROUGH THAT DISCUSSION. THANK YOU CHAIR. GOOD MORNING AND GOOD MORNING, BOARD MEMBERS. THE FIRST ITEM ON YOUR AGENDA IS AN ACTION ITEM. WE ARE PRESENTING TO YOU THE FY 2026 GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND PERFORMANCE MEASURES FOR THE CRA. AND FOLLOWING YOUR DISCUSSION, WE'RE REQUESTING A MOTION TO APPROVE THE 2026 DOCUMENT. YOU'LL RECALL BACK IN 2024, STATE LEGISLATURE ENACTED THIS NEW REPORTING REQUIREMENT FOR GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND PERFORMANCE MEASURES. AND YOU DID THAT LAST YEAR FOR THE FIRST YEAR IN 2025. THAT REPORT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU ON DECEMBER 4TH AND ACCEPTED. IT WAS ALSO POSTED AS REQUIRED TO THE CRA WEBSITE. THE CRA BOARD ASKED US TO BRING THIS BACK TO YOU AT THE NEXT MEETING FOR YOUR DISCUSSION AND APPROVAL. AND SINCE THAT TIME, THE CRA ADVISORY BOARD HAD REVIEWED AND PROVIDED RECOMMENDATIONS TO YOU FOR 2026. WITHIN YOUR AGENDA PACKET, YOU HAVE A RED LINE COPY THAT INCLUDES BOTH THE THE CRA ADVISORY BOARD RECOMMENDATIONS. THOSE ARE NOTED IN RED, AND THEN STAFF HAS ALSO PROVIDED SOME RED LINE COMMENTS IN BLACK. AND THOSE ARE NOT SUBSTANTIAL. THOSE ARE BASICALLY JUST CLEANUP ITEMS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. SO AT THIS TIME BOARD, I'M HAPPY TO. LISTEN TO YOUR DISCUSSION AND MAKE ANY CHANGES THAT YOU WOULD LIKE FOR THESE. FOR THE 2026 REPORT. AND TO PUNCTUATE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, BY STATE STATUTE, WE HAVE TO ADOPT THESE. YES, MA'AM. THESE THIS IS A NEW REQUIREMENT OF THE STATE, AND WE WILL HAVE TO POST THE 2026 AGAIN BY DECEMBER 1ST. BY DECEMBER 1ST? YES. GIVEN THAT, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS RELATIVE TO THIS PARTICULAR ITEM OR QUESTIONS? ANY. YES, SIR. IT'S MORE OF A COMMENT. AND I SHARED THIS WITH THE NEED BEFORE. TO ME, THESE ARE NOT GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND PERFORMANCE MEASURES THE WAY MOST ORGANIZATIONS WOULD DO IT. THEY WOULD BE MORE CONCRETE, WHAT IS IT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? HOW DO WE MEASURE PROGRESS AGAINST THOSE? TO ME, THESE ARE MORE ACTIVITIES, BUT I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A STATE REQUIREMENT. I JUST THINK IT'S NOT HELPFUL TO HAVE THIS TYPE OF BUREAUCRATIC REQUIREMENT THAT SAYS, WELL, ME AND WE'LL TALK AND DON'T REALLY ACCOMPLISH MUCH. I'D RATHER SEE US HAVE CONCRETE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, WHICH IS SORT OF 
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WHAT WE DO WITH THE BUDGET PROCESS, WHERE WE SET ASIDE MONEY TO ACCOMPLISH CERTAIN THINGS. TO ME, THAT WOULD BE MORE GOALS AND PERFORMANCE MEASURES THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY TRACK AND SEE HOW WE'RE DOING. BUT I UNDERSTAND WE'RE WE MAY BE STUCK WITH THIS TYPE OF A PROCESS. I JUST DON'T LIKE IT. MORE ASPIRATIONAL THAN PRODUCTIVE, ETC. IF THAT'S YOUR POINT. ANYONE ELSE? YES. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. I ABSOLUTELY FEEL THE SAME WAY AND HAVE QUESTIONS TOO. IF WE DECIDE TO CHANGE THE DATES OF THESE MEETINGS THAT ARE LISTED IN HERE, SUCH AS CRAB, IS THAT SET IN STONE THAT WE CANNOT CHANGE THE DATES IF WE WANT TO CHANGE IT TO A MONDAY OR THURSDAY OR SO. I WOULD SAY THAT WE COULD CHANGE THE THE MEASUREMENT FROM WHAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE BYLAWS FOR ANY MEETINGS TO AS SCHEDULED TO PUT IN MORE FLEXIBILITY FOR YOU IN THAT MEASURE. AND IS THIS. FOR GOALS AND OBJECTIVES? IS THIS THE STANDARD? IS THIS WHAT THEY'VE WRITTEN? THAT MUST BE THE MINIMUM IN OUR GOALS OR PERFORMANCE MEASURES, OR CAN WE HAVE MORE OF OF DETAILED PROCESS? IT'S AT YOUR DISCRETION. OH, OKAY. SO WE COULD SO WE COULD ONE DO YOU WANT TO ENTERTAIN IT? SHALL WE ENTERTAIN SOME DISCUSSION SINCE WE'RE ON THAT. IN OTHER WORDS, PROVIDE WHAT IS NECESSARY FOR THE STATE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THIS AND ADD. WOULD THAT BE THE METHOD YOU'D WANT TO ADOPT? WHAT WOULD BE MY PREFERENCE? BUT IT'S SUBJECT TO WHAT OTHERS THINK. I WOULD RATHER HAVE MORE CONCRETE, SPECIFIC GOALS. SO WE KNOW AT THE END OF THE YEAR, DID WE ACHIEVE THEM? IF NOT, WHY NOT? AND WHAT DO WE DO THE NEXT YEAR TO DO BETTER? AND OBVIOUSLY THE MAYOR FEELS THE SAME. I DO, AND JUST FOR REFERENCE, THIS COUNCIL HAS NOT DISCUSSED IT. BUT THE LAST COUNCIL HAD AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING AS A TOP PRIORITY, AND AS WE WENT THROUGH FOUR YEARS, REALIZED THAT WORKFORCE HOUSING MAY NOT BE ACHIEVABLE. SO IT'S STILL IN THERE AS A GOAL. I THINK IT'S WORTHY OF A DISCUSSION OF WHERE WE'RE GOING. SO MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT WE PUT THIS ON A FUTURE AGENDA FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH EVERYONE. YES, MR. SCHULTZ, THANK YOU. PERHAPS WE COULD LEND SOME GUIDANCE AS TO WHAT WE THINK THE GOAL SHOULD BE, WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE DONE, AND THEN HOW WOULD WE MEASURE AGAINST WHAT WE WANT VERSUS WHAT'S BEEN DELIVERED? INSTEAD OF ASKING STAFF AND PUTTING THE FULL BURDEN ON THEM? SO I THINK TO SERVE THE RESIDENTS BEST, I THINK WE SHOULD TRY TO BE MORE LEADERSHIP ORIENTED UP HERE. THANK YOU. WELL, GIVEN THAT, OBVIOUSLY THERE IS SOMEWHAT OF A CONSENSUS HERE. YES, COACH. MISS ANITA, WE ALREADY HAVE SOME STUFF IN THE PIPELINE, DON'T WE? AS FAR AS YOUR INITIATIVES, JUST FOR EXAMPLE. 
          YEAH. THE THE THE STORMWATER TEST PROJECT THAT DOCTOR G'S DOCTOR READY TO IMPLEMENT. IS THAT NOT THROUGH THE CRA? SO WE DO HAVE YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM WITHIN THIS REPORT AS GOAL 3.2. AND THE STANDARD IS TO INITIATE THOSE PROJECTS THROUGH YOUR PROCUREMENT PROCESS. AS YOU'VE IDENTIFIED IN YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, SO THAT BY REFERENCE IS INCLUDED IN THIS REPORT. AND I'D SAY THAT'S A GOOD START, RIGHT? THAT'S A BIG DEAL. AND AND THAT'S A GOOD START FOR SOME SCAFFOLDING TO BUILD ON IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT THAT WAY. BUT I'M JUST MENTIONING THAT BECAUSE THERE IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT IS CONCRETE THAT IS IN IT. IT'S NOT ALL ASPIRATIONAL OR ALL CHECKING THE BOXES. ALSO, I'D LIKE TO SAY, FINALLY, THAT THE NOTION OF WE'RE NOT WE'RE OUT OF WORKFORCE HOUSING. THAT IS THE THAT WAS THE RESIDENT SPEAKING LOUD AND CLEAR. AND MANY OF THEM SAY, HEY, WE'RE REVERSING COURSE. WE DON'T. THAT'S NOT A PRIORITY FOR US. SO IT WASN'T NECESSARILY THIS THIS WAS THAT WAS OUR RECOGNITION OF THAT AS A RESPONSE TO THAT. IT WASN'T DONE UNILATERALLY. I JUST THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE SAID. THANKS, MR. YOUNG. YEAH, JUST WANT TO CLARIFY ONE THING. IS THERE A DEADLINE TO SUBMIT THIS? IT NEEDS TO BE ACHIEVED AND POSTED BY DECEMBER 1ST. SO GENERALLY WE TRY TO HAVE YOUR PERFORMANCE MEASURES ADOPTED AT THE 
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BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. SO YOU HAVE TIME TO ACHIEVE THOSE. SO CAN I CONTINUE FROM THERE. SO THE POINT BEING IS, IS THAT SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED HERE AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS MULTI BASIN ASSESSMENT AND WHAT'S YOUR PRIORITY BUDGET IS YOU WILL BE POTENTIALLY ELIMINATING SOME OF THESE FROM THERE. SO HAVING THIS COME BACK TO YOU AT THAT AT THE NEXT MEETING AFTER YOU'VE MADE THESE DECISIONS ON THIS BUDGET, THAT'S YOU'RE WE'RE GOING TO WALK THROUGH TODAY BECAUSE I WOULD REMIND YOU, IT MAY NOT. THE WORKFORCE HOUSING IS STILL IN YOUR BUDGET AS YOU APPROPRIATE IT IN. 2526, AS WE DISCUSSED IN THE LAST MEETING, YOU WANTED THIS MEETING TO HAVE A ROBUST DISCUSSION ON THE FULL SCALE DEMONSTRATION OF RIVER PARK EAST, UPDATE ON THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAD. AND THIS WAS THE MEETING WHERE YOU WERE GOING TO REPRIORITIZE THOSE THINGS. SO SHOULD YOU TAKE SOMETHING OFF THE TABLE BY VIRTUE OF SAYING, YES, WE WANT ALL OF THE BUDGET MOVED HERE OR WHATEVER YOUR DECISIONS ARE TODAY, THAT WOULD LEAD TO WHAT THAT REPORT LOOKS LIKE. AND SO DEFERRING IT TO THE NEXT MEETING AND HAVING ITEM EIGHT C, I BELIEVE IT IS DISCUSSION AND PRIORITIZING THAT. AND LOOKING AT THE OUT, THE FIVE OUT YEARS WOULD REALLY SET THE TABLE FOR WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO INCLUDE IN THAT BUDGET, BUT I THE ITEMS THAT ARE LISTED HERE, YOU HAVE COMPONENTS OF WHICH EVERYTHING IN THE. 2526 BUDGET. SO I THINK ONCE WE GET THROUGH THE. AND YOU'VE PROBABLY ALREADY SEEN IN THE MATERIALS, THE SIGNIFICANT COST ASSOCIATED. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME DECISIONS TO MAKE, WHETHER THEY SHOULD STILL BE A GOAL AND OBJECTIVE TO PREDICATED ON THOSE DECISIONS YOU MAKE TODAY. SO, MR. YOUNG, HOW MUCH MONEY IS PUT ASIDE FOR THE WORKFORCE HOUSING? WELL, RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE ALLOCATIONS OF $2 MILLION A YEAR. AND STARTING IN THE OUT YEARS FOR, FOR, FOR THE REMAINING FOUR YEARS, I BELIEVE. BUT AGAIN, I THINK WE GO THROUGH ITEM EIGHT C BECAUSE WHAT I'LL DEMONSTRATE TO YOU IN VERY QUICK ORDER, ONCE THEY'RE DONE WITH THEIR PRESENTATION, IS HOW MUCH FUNDING YOU ACTUALLY HAVE IN BANDWIDTH YOU HAVE IN PLACE TO, TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT. SHOULD YOU TAKE ON OTHER PROJECTS? MR. YOUNG RELATIVE TO SINCE WE'RE ON THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES DISCUSSION RELATIVE TO THE PARKING GARAGES, IS THERE A POINT IN TIME WHEN MONIES COULD ACCRUE TO THE CRA, OR IS THAT SHALL WE PUT THAT TO BED FOREVER? SO THEY'RE GOVERNED BY DIFFERENT SECTIONS. SO FIRST OF ALL, THE MAINTENANCE IS TYPICALLY TAKEN OUT OF THE ONGOING DAILY MAINTENANCE. AND THINGS LIKE THAT IS NOT GENERALLY TAKEN OUT OF THE CR. IT'S BEEN A LIMITED AMOUNT. WE'VE TRIED TO TAKE IT WHERE IT'S RECONSTRUCTION. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ONE COMING DOWN THE PIKE SOON, WHERE WE HAVE A MATERIAL RECONSTRUCTION AND TUNE AROUND 300,000 WHERE WE'RE ALLOWED TO USE THE PARKING TRUST FUNDS, WHICH WERE ESTABLISHED WHEN WE WERE SELLING THOSE, THOSE, THOSE SLOTS WITHIN THOSE. SO THE POINT BEING IS THE TWO GARAGES IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO US HERE, THOSE MONIES BEING RETURNED OR PURCHASING OF SLOTS GOES INTO A PARKING TRUST FOR FUTURE EITHER CONTINUATION OF THE GARAGES OR EXPANSION OF PARKING IN THE DOWN DOWNTOWN OR IN THE FIFTH AVENUE. OVERLOOK THOSE. THAT'S PART. WHEN IT CAME TO THE FIRST AVENUE SOUTH GARAGE. THAT ONE CONTAINS LANGUAGE THAT SAYS IN THE EVENT THAT YOU SELL ANY SLOTS UNDER THERE WITH. FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OR AS A IN A SENSE AS THAT TO TO ACCOMMODATE PARKING, THAT THAT MONEY SHALL BE RETURNED TO THE C R A PERIOD. IT'S NOT EVEN IN QUESTION. SO THERE'S NO ACTION THAT YOU NEED TO, TO DO. IT AUTOMATICALLY COMES BACK ON ANYTHING FOR FIRST AVENUE SOUTH GARAGE. OKAY. 
          YES. FURTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, I THINK THIS DOCUMENT IS WORTHY OF A ITEM BY ITEM DISCUSSION, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT. SOME OF IT. I JUST WANT TO ASK THE ATTORNEY IF HE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT THE DETAILS IN THIS. YES, MAYOR, I DID. BUT IF I MAY FOR A MINUTE, CHAIR, I JUST WANT TO. YES, MAKE SURE THE BOARD UNDERSTANDS THAT YOU SET THESE GOALS AND POLICIES. AND THEN AT THE END OF EACH YEAR, YOU'RE IDENTIFYING WHAT YOU ACHIEVED AND WHAT YOU DIDN'T ACHIEVE. OKAY, SO REALLY THIS DISCUSSION SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON WHAT YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN ACHIEVE THIS YEAR SO THAT YOU CAN CHECK THAT BOX AT THE END OF THE YEAR WHEN YOU PUBLISH THIS REPORT. SOME THINGS CAN CARRY OVER THROUGH FISCAL YEARS, BUT THAT'S REALLY HOW THE STATUTE IS LAID OUT. YOU HAVE GOALS AND POLICIES AND MEASUREMENTS THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO EMBARK ON, AND THEN YOU TAKE STEPS TO EITHER ACHIEVE OR NOT ACHIEVE THEM. 
          AND THEN YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY GRADING YOURSELF AS A BOARD WHEN YOU PUBLISH THIS REPORT, IDENTIFYING WHAT YOU DID ACCOMPLISH AND WHAT YOU DID NOT. AND THIS IS REQUIRED BY STATE STATUTE, RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH. SO I THINK WHAT I HEAR THE CITY ATTORNEY SAYING, AND PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I THINK IT'S TO OUR BENEFIT, OBVIOUSLY, TO EITHER APPROVE OR 
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DISAPPROVE THESE TODAY AND THEN SET AN AGENDA ITEM FOR THE MORE IN-DEPTH DISCUSSION THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. NO, I CANNOT WITH GOOD CONSCIENCE. I MEAN, JUST LOOK AT 3.4 TRANSPORTATION METHODS. WE'RE GOING TO ELIMINATE MICRO TRANSIT SERVICES, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A CONNECTION TO THE CITY OF NAPLES AND GREATER COLLIER ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO IF WE COULD HEAR FROM MR. COLE FIRST. SORRY, I'M JUST SAYING INFRASTRUCTURE IS THE TOP PRIORITY HERE, REALLY? AND TAKE ON ANYTHING ELSE I THINK THIS YEAR WOULD BE IS NOT GOING TO BE POSSIBLE. AND THAT'S BEEN KIND OF NEGLECTED. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE A TOP PRIORITY. WORKFORCE HOUSING. THERE'S A LOT OF PROGRESS. PRICES HAVE COME DOWN A LOT OF AFFORDABLE PROPERTIES ON THE MARKET. I MEAN THERE'S LIKE 300, 400 CONDOS FOR SALE UNDER 200,000. COUNTY HAS PROGRAMS THAT WILL GIVE YOU $100,000 DOWN PAYMENT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY BACK UNTIL YOU SELL IT. I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF OUT THERE FOR AFFORDABILITY ALREADY, AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS BADLY NEEDED, AND THAT SHOULD BE THE MAIN. I THINK THE MAJOR FOCUS FOR THIS YEAR IS JUST THE INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          I, I JUST CAN'T SEE TALKING ABOUT A LOT OF OTHER THINGS OTHER THAN INFRASTRUCTURE. BUT THERE I'M SORRY, BUT THANK YOU. THERE ARE OTHER THINGS IN HERE AND THEY'RE WORTHY OF A DISCUSSION. WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IT AT ALL. I KNOW WE HAVE A REPORT, BUT IT SAYS IT WAS DUE IN 2025. SO AND THEN IT'S DOES THAT MEAN THAT IT'S DUE IN 2026. NOW YOU HAVE TO DO IT EVERY YEAR MA'AM. IT'S AN ANNUAL REPORT. SO WE DID BRING BRING TO YOU THE 2025 ANNUAL REPORT ON DECEMBER 4TH. AND THIS IS TO ESTABLISH THE 2026 MADAM CHAIR. YES. SO SO FIRST OF ALL, STAFF DIDN'T PULL THESE JUST OUT OF THE SKY. THE MICRO TRANSIT DISCUSSION, I'LL REMIND EVERYBODY CAME ALONG WHEN THE PREVIOUS CRA BUDGETED 100. IT WAS EITHER 100 OR $150,000 FOR MICRO TRANSIT DISCUSSION. THE CRAB, IN FACT, WHICH IS THE BOARD THAT MAKES REFERRALS TO YOU, RECOMMENDED YOU FULLY ENGAGE THE $850,000 THAT IT WOULD TAKE TO PROVIDE MICRO TRANSIT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. THE C R A BOARD AT THAT TIME SAID, WELL, WE'RE NOT TAKING THAT UP. WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. AND THAT WAS IT. IT REMAINS ON THERE AS THIS BOARD COULD WANT TO MAKE THAT A PRIORITY. SO YOU'RE RIGHT IN THAT YOU NEED TO GO THROUGH IT. 
          MY ONLY POINT IS, IS IF WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH EVERY ONE OF THESE AND THEN TURN AROUND AND MAKE THEM YOUR PRIORITY AND HAVE A BUDGETARY BUDGET DISCUSSION IN 15 MINUTES, THAT YOU THEN SAY, I'M NOT GOING TO ACCOMPLISH ANY OF IT, ANY OF IT, BECAUSE THESE ARE MY THREE PRIORITIES. I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND TABLING THOSE, AND THEN WE CAN REVISIT THE ONES THAT SAID, LOOK, THE LAST COUNCIL OR EXCUSE ME, SORRY, THE LAST CRA SAID THAT MICRO TRANSIT FOR 850 WASN'T THE JUICE, WASN'T WORTH THE SQUEEZE, AND WE DON'T THINK IT IS EITHER. 
          TAKE IT OFF THE LIST. THAT'S A PERFECTLY GOOD EXERCISE. THE QUESTION IS, ARE WE GOING TO DO IT NOW IN THIS EXERCISE? BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY SAID YOU WANT TO HAVE YOUR BUDGETARY PRIORITIES DEFINED. I JUST THINK THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT REDUNDANT TO GO THROUGH TO TO CROSS THE SAME AREA, BUT I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH EVERY ONE OF THEM AND REMIND YOU WHEN IT BECAME PART OF THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES AND WHETHER YOU EITHER WANT TO REVISIT IT OR REMOVE IT. IT IS REALLY THAT SIMPLE. SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THESE HAVE TO BE SUBMITTED BY DECEMBER OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR. WHAT IS THE GOAL? WHAT IS THE DEADLINE ON THESE DECEMBER 1ST, DECEMBER 26TH? SO GIVEN THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A MEETING TO FOCUS ON THESE SINGULARLY, IF THAT WOULD BE THE PLEASURE OF THIS PARTICULAR CRA. YES, MA'AM. I JUST THINK DOING THE BUDGETARY PRIORITIES WILL ANSWER PROBABLY SIX OF THE 11. I DON'T REMEMBER EXACTLY HOW MANY IS ON THERE, AND THEN WE WOULD BE DOWN TO THE OTHER. SO PLEASE GO AHEAD, MR. BLANKENSHIP. YEAH, SO MY SUGGESTION IS LET'S HAVE THAT DISCUSSION TABLE THIS FOR NOW, HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND THEN REVAMP THE GOALS TO BE TIED TO WHATEVER WE DECIDE. SO THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO ACCOMPLISH THIS YEAR. AND IT CAN BE TIED TO THE MILESTONES OF THE STORMWATER PROJECT OR THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE WANT TO TAKE, AND WE CAN MEASURE OURSELVES AGAINST THEM AND HOLD OURSELVES ACCOUNTABLE IF WE DON'T HIT THEM, WE NEED TO SAY TO THE PUBLIC, WE DIDN'T HIT THEM, BUT HERE'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT, COACH. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. AND I JUST WANT TO. MENTION FOR THE MAYOR AND VICE MAYOR, WHO I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A A VAGUE INSTRUMENT, BUT IT'S ALSO THE FACT THAT THIS IN TALKING STATE 
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REPRESENTATIVES, THERE'S A BIG PUSH TO END ALL CRA'S. AND PART OF THAT PUSH IS THIS IS SUCH A VAGUE INSTRUMENT. SO I'D CAUTION US, WE CAN DO WHATEVER WE WANT ON OUR OWN. I WOULDN'T MESS WITH HOW THE REPORTING. I WOULDN'T AMP IT UP AT ALL. WE CAN. WE CAN DO OUR OWN INTERNAL AUDITING AND MEASUREMENTS. THAT'S. I THINK THAT'S FAIR. BUT I JUST DON'T WANT TO ADD ANY FUEL TO THE FIRE OF. WE DON'T WANT CRAS. AND I THINK THAT IF WE ALL OF A SUDDEN SAY, HEY, YOU'RE RIGHT, THIS IS CRAPPY. THAT COULD ADD FUEL TO THE FIRE. BUT HAVING SAID THAT, WE NEED TO DO WHAT WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO DO. AND THE FACT IS, AS THE CITY MANAGER SAID, WE'VE ALREADY VETTED A BUNCH OF. THE REASON IT'S WHAT IT IS, IS BECAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE CRA SAID. THIS ISN'T IT JUST DIDN'T COME OUT OF IT DIDN'T FALL OUT OF THE SKY. SO WITH THAT, I THINK I WOULD I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU HUNDRED PERCENT. LET'S GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS, THEN REVISIT WHATEVER WE NEED TO IN THE EVENT THAT THERE'S SOMETHING LACKING. AFTER WE'VE DETERMINED WHAT OUR WHAT OUR BUDGET PRIORITIES ARE. MR. SCHULTZ, THANK YOU. I WOULD AGREE WITH A LITTLE BIT WITH WHAT MR. KRAMER SAID AND MR. CROW IN PARTICULAR, COMMITMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE IN THE PAST TO RIVER PARK EAST. AND IN MY JUDGMENT, FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, THOSE HAVEN'T ALL BEEN KEPT OR MET. I KNOW DOCTOR GEORGE IS WORKING ON A PLAN WITH THE FOLKS THERE, AND I THINK THAT IF WE GAVE A PRIORITIES LIST ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR AND I BELIEVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE AT RIVER PARK EAST SHOULD BE NUMBER ONE. AND THEN WE CAN PRIORITIZE GOING DOWN FROM THERE. THAT WOULD BE MY ADVICE TO FOLLOW UP ON COUNCILMAN KROLL'S PERSPECTIVE. THANK YOU. SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT IMPASSE. I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT ANOTHER DATE TO DO THIS SPECIFICALLY. SO AT THIS POINT, I THINK WE WANT A MOTION TO TABLE WITH THE PROMISE THAT WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER DATE TO DISCUSS THESE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES ONLY AT THAT PARTICULAR MEETING. IF WE COULD, IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION TO DO THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO DISCUSS AT A FUTURE DATE. YES. SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING I AND OPPOSED. OKAY. THANK YOU COUNCIL. THAT WAS A GREAT DISCUSSION. A8B DISCUSSION ON CRA FUNDING FOR BUILDING FOR 
          [8.B) Discussion and Direction on CRA Funding for Building Demolition, Stabilization and Sodding of the Property at 170 10th Street North.]
THE PROPERTY AT 170 10TH STREET NORTH. YOU'LL REMEMBER THAT THIS BUILDING WAS BROUGHT TO US ORIGINALLY UNDER THE RUBRIC OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THAT DIDN'T SEEM TO GET QUITE THE TRACTION THAT WE WERE HOPING THAT IT WOULD. SO HERE WE ARE. AND ANITA, I'LL TURN THIS OVER TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION. THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. THIS ITEM IS ALSO AN ACTION ITEM. THIS IS TO PROVIDE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE 178 10TH STREET SOUTH PROPERTY, THE HISTORY OF THE PROPERTY AND THE DISCUSSIONS OF THE CRA ARE INCLUDED IN YOUR AGENDA MEMORANDUM. AND IT WAS LAST DISCUSSED ON DECEMBER 4TH AND ON DECEMBER 4TH. STAFF FROM THE DIRECTION OF THE CRA BROUGHT TO YOU FOR CONCEPTS FOR THE PROPERTY THAT INCLUDED BOTH OPEN SPACE AND PARKING, AND WHAT THE PERCENTAGES AND THE NUMBER OF PARKING COULD BE ACHIEVED ON THAT PARCEL. THE CRA PROVIDED DIRECTION TO STAFF AT THAT TIME TO COME BACK WITH THE COST TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING, STABILIZE THE LOT AND SORT IT. AND SO WE BRING THAT FORWARD TO YOU TODAY AT YOUR REQUEST, THAT THE COST HAS BEEN DETERMINED TO BE APPROXIMATELY $95,000. AND IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE CRA WOULD WANT TO GO FORWARD WITH, WE ARE ASKING FOR YOUR DIRECTION ON THAT, FOR FUNDING TO BRING BACK TO YOU. YES, SIR. MR. BARTON, I'D LIKE TO CORRECT ANITA, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I WANT TO ADD TO THAT THE DISCUSSION FOR USE OF THE SPACE WAS NOT ONLY OPEN SPACE, THE POCKET PARK, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT, PARKING, BUT ALSO WE SET ASIDE A SPACE FOR A PUMP STATION, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, ON THAT PARCEL AS WELL. AND THE REASON I'M BRINGING IT UP IS BECAUSE WE'RE ALL TALKING ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE AND RESILIENCY. 
          AND THAT WAS AN INTEGRAL PART. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR THE CITY TO OWN AND CONTROL LAND WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS TYPE OF FUTURE ENDEAVOR, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE. AND IF AGAIN, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I THINK A PART OF THAT ALSO INCLUDED SPACE FOR NOT INITIALLY PUTTING IN, BUT SPACE FOR A PUMP STATION. NO, YOU'RE YOU'RE CORRECT IN THAT. YEAH. OKAY. AND THERE WAS THAT DISCUSSION. THERE'S NO THERE WAS NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. AND CERTAINLY GIVEN ITS LOCATION, IT WOULD BE CERTAINLY A PERFECT IN MANY RESPECTS PLACE FOR THAT. SO I DID WANT TO GLOSS OVER THAT. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE AWARE PUMP STATION. WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THAT. 
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YOU'RE DEAD. RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. RIGHT. SO THE ASK HERE HERE IS. WHETHER OR NOT WE DEMOLISH THE BUILDING AND LEAVE IT AS A LOT AT THIS PARTICULAR TIME. THAT IS THE ASK. YES, SIR. COUPLE QUESTIONS. SO HOW MUCH DID THE CRA PAY FOR? THIS WAS AROUND 5,000,004 .4.8. AND HOW MUCH DO YOU THINK IT'S WORTH? TODAY WE HAD A PRESENTATION FROM OUR REAL ESTATE CONSULTANT SOME TIME AGO, IF NOT DECEMBER 4TH BEFORE THEN. AND IT WAS NOT NOT EXCEEDING THE PURCHASE PRICE AT THAT TIME. SO IT WAS STILL THE MARKET WAS FLAT AT THAT TIME. SO THE THERE WAS NO FURTHER GAIN ON THAT PROPERTY AT THAT TIME. OKAY. AND THERE'S A PARK ABOUT A BLOCK AWAY. RIVER PARK? YES. HUM. AND THERE'S LAND THERE. AND AT THE IS IT CALLED MINI PARK. THAT COULD ALSO POTENTIALLY THEIR PARKS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IS PARTIALLY COMMERCIAL, PARTIALLY RESIDENTIAL. THERE IS LAND FOR A PUMP STATION AT THOSE LOCATIONS. SO I BELIEVE WE SHOULD SELL IT AND USE THAT MONEY FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS IN RIVER PARK EAST, WE COULD GET $5 MILLION. THAT WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT CHUNK TOWARDS WHAT WE NEED. WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NUMBERS THAT MR. YOUNG'S GOING TO PRESENT LATER, THEY'RE ASTOUNDING AT WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST TO MAKE THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT THAT WE THINK ARE NEEDED. I UNDERSTAND IT'S NICE TO HAVE THE LAND. IT'S NICE TO SAVE IT. IT DOESN'T FIT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE'VE GOT A PARK CLOSE BY. WE HAVE LAND CLOSE BY FOR PUMP STATIONS IF THEY'RE NEEDED. IT'S JUST HARD FOR ME TO JUSTIFY BASICALLY SPENDING $5 MILLION TO HOLD THIS LAND WHEN WE HAVE SUCH BIG NEEDS IN RIVER PARK EAST FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS. ANY OTHER SPOKESPERSONS? YES. MR. HOW BIG IS THE BUILDING? WHAT'S THE CONDITION INSIDE? WHAT HAVE YOU THE CONDITION OF IT? IT DID HAVE SOME USES, INCLUDING AUTOMOTIVE SERVICES. WE DID DO AN ENVIRONMENTAL PHASE ONE FOR THE PROPERTY WHEN IT WAS PURCHASED, AND NOTHING WAS FOUND TO ENGAGE WITH THE PHASE TWO WE DID IN ENTERTAIN SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO LEASE THE PROPERTY, AND THOSE THAT WERE INTERESTED IN LEASING IT WERE ESTIMATING $300,000 OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE NEEDED TO MOVE INTO THE PARCEL. IF THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA, HOW BIG IS IT? YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING THREE, THREE UNITS IN THE BUILDING, THREE RETAIL UNITS IN THE BUILDING. SO I DON'T RECALL EXACTLY WHAT THE SQUARE FOOTAGE IS, BUT I'M HAPPY TO TO LOOK BACK AT MY NOTES AND LET YOU KNOW. MAYOR, YOU HAD A QUESTION. OH, MR. CROW, I'M SORRY. I'M PREEMPTING YOU. I'M SORRY, SIR, I DON'T THINK YOU WERE THROUGH. WELL, I'M JUST THINKING THAT IF THE BUILDING IS NOT IN BAD SHAPE, ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE TO SELLING IT IS LEASING IT. AND, YOU KNOW, COMMERCIAL TENANTS PAY FOR EVERYTHING ANYWAY. SO IT'S NOT LIKE THE CITY WOULD HAVE TO LAY OUT ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS BE DONE BY THE TENANT. THERE IS A NEED FOR THERE'S NOT A BIG SUPPLY OF COMMERCIAL SPACE FOR LEASE. SO IT IS A FAIRLY GOOD MARKET FOR THAT. SO AS AN ALTERNATIVE. SO BUT YOU HAVE TO KNOW A LITTLE MORE ABOUT THE SIZE CONDITION. 
          I WOULD I WOULD CERTAINLY WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS BUILDING AND HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING AS TO HOW IT WOULD WORK FOR SOMEONE. TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I'VE NEVER HAS ANYBODY EVER BEEN INSIDE. MR. YOUNG, DIDN'T YOU EXPLORE OR DIDN'T STAFF EXPLORE THE POTENTIAL LEASING IT? WE DIDN'T GET A LOT OF INTEREST OR INSIGHT THERE. THAT'S CORRECT. AND THE SAME. 
          REAL ESTATE REPRESENTATIVE WHO GAVE US THE COST ESTIMATES AT THE LAST TIME, ALSO PRESENTED IN A PREVIOUS MEETING THE ESTIMATED RENTS AND IT WAS MARKETED FOR A PERIOD OF TIME, HAD A COUPLE BITES, BUT IT WASN'T A SIGNIFICANT AND I WILL SAY THAT YOU'RE WELCOME TO TO, TO CERTAINLY GO DO THAT. BUT THE BUILDING IS IT IS IN VERY STRUCTURALLY. MAYBE IT'S OKAY, BUT IT WOULD IT WOULD TAKE, YOU KNOW, AS ANITA INDICATED, HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND DOLLARS TO, TO RENOVATE THE INSIDE OF IT. THE QUESTION WHEN THEY ACQUIRE A PROPERTY LIKE THIS, DO THEY GET LIKE A, AN INCOME APPROACH, APPRAISAL, CMA TYPE APPROACH? WHAT'S THE PROCESS THAT THEY I MEAN, ARE WE BUYING THESE THINGS AT THE RIGHT VALUATIONS? REALLY, I'M STARTING TO WONDER ABOUT IT WAS PURCHASED HAVE TO SAY THIS BEFORE I WAS CITY MANAGER. SO BE CLEAR AT THE 
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TIME THERE WAS TWO POTENTIAL EXPLANATIONS THAT WERE GIVEN TO SAY THAT WE MAY NEED MORE PARKING THERE BECAUSE THEY WANTED PARKING IN THE NORTHERN QUADRANT OVER THERE. AND OH, BY THE WAY, IT COULD BE POSSIBLY FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO IT WAS PURCHASED WITH BOTH PURPOSES IN MIND AS BASED ON WHAT I WAS PRESENTED, BUT WITH NO CLEAR DIRECTIVE. SO AND IT WAS PURCHASED AT A TIME WHERE IT WAS PROBABLY THE, THE PEAK OF THE MARKET, UNFORTUNATELY. 
          BUT, AND I THINK THAT WAS MORE OF A TIMING. IT'S AVAILABLE. SHOULD WE DO IT? AND I THINK IT WAS A WE NEED IT IN SOME CAPACITY OR ANOTHER. AND SO WHAT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY IS TO SAY. AND I THINK ANITA WAS GENEROUS IN SAYING IT HASN'T MADE MONEY, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU IT IT IS LIKELY TO HAVE LOST SOME SINCE ITS PURCHASE. I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. 
          SO BASED ON THAT DISCUSSION AND I THINK THAT'S A SHORT SUMMARY OF WHAT THEY HE OUTLINED IN THE LAST MEETING. SO THE DECISION WAS RATHER THAN SELL IT AT A LOSS, IF WE HAVE MINIMAL INVESTMENT TURNING INTO GREEN SPACE UNTIL WE KNOW FOR SURE THAT WE DON'T WANT TO USE IT FOR SOMETHING ELSE, IT'S NO WORSE FOR WEAR. BUT WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS WE HAVE A BUILDING THAT WE'RE NOT MAINTAINING. WE HAVE PART OF A PARKING LOT, AND IT BECOMES A PERPETUAL PROBLEM FOR THE CITY. SO I THINK WE EITHER DO ONE OF THE TWO THINGS, BUT AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, IF YOU BOUGHT IT FOR A PARKING LOT AND OR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND NOW TO BECOME A LANDLORD AS OPPOSED TO JUST LEVELING IT, MAKING IT A GREEN SPACE AT MINIMAL COST AND SAYING, THEN WE'LL MAKE A DECISION. I, AND I THINK THE DELTA BETWEEN THE BUILDING BEING ON THE LOT, IF IT WAS TORE DOWN AND WHAT IT WOULD BE VALUED AT, I THINK IT WAS LIKE 150,000. IT WAS AN IMMATERIAL DIFFERENCE. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THOSE THINGS OUT TO, AS A REFRESHER TO THE DISCUSSIONS THE PREVIOUS ERA HAD. MR. SCHULTZ, THANK YOU. BUYING HIGH AND SELLING LOW IS WHAT I HAVE SEEN IN 45 YEARS. THE INVESTMENT BUSINESS IS NOT A GOOD PRACTICE FOR INCREASING YOUR ASSETS UNDER MANAGEMENT. SOMETIMES YOU. YOU HAVE THE BEST INTENTIONS. WHEN YOU BOUGHT SOMETHING. I NEVER ONCE BOUGHT A SECURITY I THOUGHT WOULD GO DOWN, BUT CERTAINLY IT HAPPENED JUST NOT AS OFTEN AS THE OTHER WAY. I THINK MR. KROLL'S IDEA HAS SOME MERIT IN THAT IF WE COULD FIND OR AT LEAST SHOP IT AS A TRIPLE NET LEASE. JOHN, WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON ON THE MARKET FOR THAT? I MEAN, IT'S A NON-PERFORMING ASSET FOR THE CITY AND FOR SURE. YEAH, I'D LIKE TO SEE SOMETHING DONE WITH IT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. EITHER TEAR IT DOWN, MAKE IT GREEN SPACE OR SO THAT PEOPLE CAN USE IT OR LOOK TO LOOK TO. BUT TO ME, SPENDING 5 MILLION FOR A LOT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING MAKES NO SENSE. I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET MY HEAD AROUND THAT TOO. SO WE ALREADY DID IT. SO IT WAS ALREADY DONE. BUT WE'VE DONE IT, COACH. WELL, I WE ALL INHERITED THIS. I THINK AT LEAST OUR WHEN WE WERE BROUGHT ON BOARD AND, AND THE NOTION IS THIS IF, IF YOU, IF YOU WANT GREEN SPACE, IF YOU DON'T WANT URBAN SPRAWL OR WHATEVER, TURN INTO MIAMI, YOU. THE MORE LAND THAT YOU OWN AND YOU CAN CONTROL, THE BETTER. SO THAT'S FUNDAMENTAL TO THIS. SO IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH THAT, THEN THAT'S FINE. I'M JUST TELLING YOU THAT WAS FUNDAMENTAL TO THE PURCHASE. 
          THE OTHER THING WAS, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, AND I COULD BE WRONG, AND DOCTOR JORDAN AND PART OF THE PILLARS OF DOCTOR GEORGE GAVE AND SOMEONE MENTIONED THIS IN THE MEETING. 
          AND THIS DOESN'T I DON'T EVEN THINK THIS IS IN C R A. I THOUGHT IT WAS TALKED ABOUT, BUT THIS COULD BECOME MUCH MORE THAN JUST A PUMP STATION IN TERMS OF WATER MANAGEMENT. I MAY BE WRONG ON THAT. DOCTOR JORGE, YOU'RE HERE. DO YOU RECALL THAT THIS PROPERTY COULD HELP US IN SIGNIFICANT WAYS? I THOUGHT SO, YES. OKAY, I THOUGHT SO. AND SO IT WAS. IT DID HAVE MORE VALUE THAN WHAT WAS PRESENTED. YOU KNOW, IT'S POTENTIALLY DOWN THE ROAD AT WHATEVER POINT. THE OTHER THING IS I'M WITH YOU 100%. THE MARKET IS DOWN RIGHT NOW. IT'S GOING TO BE BACK. I MEAN, AND I HATE SELLING AT A LOSS. HATE IT. SO I'M WITH I'M ALSO WITH MY COLLEAGUE THAT WITH JOHN IN THE MEANTIME, WHICH IS WHAT THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. IN THE MEANTIME, LET'S MAKE IT WHAT THIS IS SUPPOSED TO DO. SO AT LEAST IT'S GREEN SPACE. AT LEAST WE, OUR CITIZENS, GET SOME BENEFIT OF IT, I WILL SAY THE ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH LEASES AND GARY, YOU CAN CORRECT ME, WAS EVERYBODY WANTED SUCH A LONG TERM BECAUSE OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE GOING TO BE MADE. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE SUNK COSTS THEN AND NOW. 
          THEY WANT A VERY LONG A LONG LEASE. AND WE WE WANTED MORE FLEXIBILITY WITH IT. SO THAT'S MY PART. AND I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE JUST COMING ON. WEREN'T PRIVY TO ALL THOSE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD ABOUT IT. BUT I CAN PROMISE YOU WE BEAT THIS UP AND DOWN. I MEAN, UP AND DOWN. SO OUR OPTIONS ARE, AS YOU SAY, SELL IT AT A LOSS OR GO AHEAD, SORT IT, MAKE IT USABLE FOR SOMETHING POTENTIALLY. AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN DOCTOR GEORGE CARTER WILL WEIGH IN, BUT POTENTIALLY A SIGNIFICANT PART OF OUR OF OUR OF A STORMWATER PROJECT. THAT'S ALL THANKS. YES, SIR. I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL IN OUR DECISION IF WE HAVE KIND OF 
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A FEASIBILITY, LIKE I'M WILLING TO LOOK AT THE PROPERTY AND SEE THE FEASIBILITY OF EITHER. CAN IT BE A POSSIBLE RENTAL IN THE MEANTIME, THEN FOR FUTURE TEAR DOWN OR WHATEVER OUR GOALS ARE, OR MAKE IT INTO GREEN SPACE THAT MAKE IT USABLE BY THE COMMUNITY? OR DO NOTHING AND WAIT FOR THE MARKET TO COME BACK OR JUST BUT HAVE HAVE THE ALTERNATIVES KIND OF LISTED OUT WHAT'S WHAT MAKES MORE SENSE. BUT YOU HAVE TO EXAMINE THE PROPERTY. AND YEAH, AN ASSESSMENT OF. MR. I'M SAYING GARY CAN WAIT. THAT'S A LOT OF TIME WAS SPENT ON WHAT YOU'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT. AND IT WAS DETERMINED THAT IT IS NOT FEASIBLE TO LEAVE. AND THE BEST, THE MOST. THE THE BEST WAY TO USE OUR MONEY IS TO DO THE GREEN SPACE PART. THAT THAT WAS THE SIMPLEST FIX FOR NOW. AND, AND IT'D BE A HOLDING PATTERN UNTIL EITHER THE MARKET IMPROVED DRAMATICALLY OR IT BECAME PART OF THE STORMWATER. WELL, THEN THE QUESTION GOES, OKAY, SO YOU SPEND 100 GRAND TEARING IT DOWN. WAS IT GOING TO COST TO MAKE IT A GREEN SPACE? AND ARE YOU GOING TO PUT BENCHES IN THERE? I MEAN, YEAH, WE SAW YEAH. THERE ARE PLANS FOR ALL OF THAT. OKAY. YOU HAVE ALL THAT NOW MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG, FOR THE OUTLINE, WHICH I THINK WAS VERY ACCURATE. VICE MAYOR. I DON'T KNOW WHAT PARK YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT. THE MAYOR WHO? I PROBABLY MISPRONOUNCED IT THE RIGHT NEAR THE CIVIC CENTER. OH, CAMBRIDGE. PERRY PARK. OH, OKAY. IT'S ONLY A COUPLE BLOCKS AWAY. RIGHT. THAT HAS THAT ACTUALLY WILL HAVE STAFF. AND THEN THEN THERE'S ANOTHER ONE BY LAKE MANOR. I DON'T I FORGET WHAT IT'S CALLED, BUT. RIGHT. THAT LINEAR PARK. YEAH. OKAY. SO I THINK THAT KRAMER HAS OUTLINED THE FACT THAT WE DID EXHAUST THIS AT THE TIME DOESN'T MEAN THINGS DON'T CHANGE. 
          COUNCILMEMBER KROL, THAT IT HAS POTENTIAL. BUT IF YOU LOOK INSIDE THE BUILDING, WHICH I WISH YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT BEFORE TODAY, YOU WOULD SEE THAT. IT NEEDS A LOT. SO WE DID COME TO THE CONCLUSION THIS IS A NEW BOARD. WE CAN CHANGE OUR MINDS. HOWEVER, I THINK THE UNTIL WE ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE D DOWNTOWN, IT'S REGULATIONS AND WHERE THE D DOWNTOWN IS GOING FOR US TO SELL THIS PROPERTY IS PREMATURE. SO MY VOTE IS TO NOT SELL THIS PROPERTY. MAYBE AT THIS TIME BECAUSE THE MARKET'S DOWN AS FAR AS GREEN SPACE. I THOUGHT THAT WE WERE GOING TO MAKE IT A PARKING LOT BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE ALREADY PARKING THERE. SO MAYBE I MISSED THAT PIECE. MADAM MAYOR, WE WE BROUGHT FOUR CONCEPTS TO THE BOARD AT THE AT THE DECEMBER 4TH MEETING THAT INCLUDED BOTH OPEN SPACE AND PARKING. AND THE BOARD AT THAT TIME DIRECTED US TO BRING BACK THE COST TO DEMO AND STABILIZE AND SAW THE ENTIRE THING. SO WITHOUT PARKING. SO THAT THAT WAS THE LAST DIRECTION THAT WAS PROVIDED. AND THAT WAS IN PART BECAUSE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT IT BEING A STORMWATER VAULT OR WHAT HAVE YOU, AND TO PUT ASPHALT ON TOP OF IT, EVEN A PORTION OF IT, UNTIL WE HAD IF WE WERE GOING IN THAT DIRECTION AND THE STORMWATER IN RIVER PARK EAST AND RIVER PARK WEST AND MAKING A DECISION THERE THAT IT WAS IT WAS A KEY PIECE OF PROPERTY TO NOT PUT TOO MUCH INTO AND PAY FOR ASPHALT AND THEN TURN AROUND AND RIP IT BACK UP. THAT WAS THE DISCUSSION. AND IT'S MUCH CHEAPER TO DO JUST THAT WAY FOR THAT REASON. AND I RECOMMEND THAT WE NEVER PUT ASPHALT, BUT WE DO PERVIOUS. YES. THE GREENS. AGAIN, IT WAS TO NOT IMPROVE IT OTHER THAN LAYING SOD. SO IT WAS A GREEN, CLEAN GREEN SLATE FOR LACK OF A BETTER UNTIL THE AN ASSESSMENT WAS DONE IS WHAT WE COULD USE IT FOR. SO LET'S SEE IF WE CAN REACH SOME SORT OF CONSENSUS HERE. AND IF NOT, WE'LL CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION. SO WE HAVE KIND OF THREE THINGS ON THE TABLE. ONE WOULD BE TO SAAD, ONE WOULD BE TO SELL. AND THE THIRD THING WOULD BE TO HOLD. SO THOSE ARE YOUR THREE CHOICES AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN REACH ANY KIND OF CONSENSUS ON THOSE THREE. YES, SIR. JUST A CLARIFICATION. IT SEEMS TO ME SORTING IS HOLDING THAT THAT WOULD BE THE SAME THING. YES. OKAY. SO IT'S EITHER YES WE WOULD DEMO AND SOD IT. OKAY. 
          AND MR. SCHULTZ, YOU HAD A REMARK. I BELIEVE THE MAYOR MADE A VERY LOGICAL APPROACH TO IT. SELLING IS SEEMS TO BE NAIVE. AND WE DON'T WE WE HAVE THIS HABIT IN NAPLES OF PAVING 
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PARADISE AND PUTTING UP PARKING LOTS, AND I'M DUBIOUS ABOUT THAT. SO WHY DON'T WE BUY, SELL OR HOLD? I'D SAY HOLD. OKAY. WITH WITH SOD. YES, SIR. WITH HOT. OKAY, SO SOD IT AND HOLD IT. THAT'S WHAT THE MAYOR SAID. THAT'S TWO, MR. BLANKENSHIP, I STILL BELIEVE WE SHOULD SELL IT. 
          TAKE THE LOSS. SOMEONE REFERRED TO IT AS IF YOU BUY A STOCK AT A PRICE AND IT GOES DOWN, YOU JUST HOLD IT, HOPING IT GOES BACK UP. I DON'T THINK THAT'S SMART MONEY MANAGEMENT. IF YOU HAVE A LOSS AND YOU DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO COME BACK IN A REASONABLE TIME, YOU TAKE THAT LOSS AND YOU MOVE FORWARD. WHETHER WE GET 5 MILLION, 4 MILLION, 3.5 MILLION, I DON'T KNOW. BUT I'D RATHER SPEND THAT MONEY IN RIVER PARK EAST ON INFRASTRUCTURE. AND MAYOR, I DON'T WANT TO DEBATE, BUT I DO. VICE MAYOR WANT TO SAY I THINK THAT HAVING A LITTLE BIT MORE KNOWLEDGE OF WHERE WE'RE GOING IN THAT DOWNTOWN AREA AND NOT SELLING THIS ASSET IS, IS CRUCIAL RIGHT NOW. SO I JUST I UNDERSTAND THAT AND WE'RE STILL GOING TO DO THE RIVER PARK EAST. 
          THIS 5 MILLION IS NOT GOING TO PUT A DROP IN THAT BUCKET IN MY OPINION. SO I HAVE TWO HOLES I HAVE AND I HAVE TWO HOLES IN ONE CELL. AND THAT THAT'S A HOLDING SOLID. THAT'S A HOLDING SOD. THAT'S A HOLD. YOU GOT THREE HOLDING SWORDS. IF I THINK IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. OKAY. 
          AND THEY NEED A FOURTH. AND I'M ALSO IN THAT SAME BOAT, WE GOT CONSENSUS. BUT WHAT I WILL ALSO JUST ADD IN REAL QUICK AND THAT IS THAT YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE DOING IMPROVEMENTS OVER THERE. WE SHOULD WE SHOULD SEE AN IMPROVEMENT IN MARKET VALUE. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS TALKING, WE'VE ALWAYS GOT OUR RESIDENTS TALKING TO US ABOUT GREEN SPACE AND MAKING SURE WE DON'T BECOME MINI MIAMI OR FUTURE FORT LAUDERDALE. AND WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE TO HOLD AND OWN AND CONTROL A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT WE CAN MAKE GREEN SPACE AND POTENTIALLY MAKE IT A CRUCIAL ADDITION TO OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AND STORMWATER. 
          WE CERTAINLY SHOULD NOT DO THAT. AND I WOULD EMPHASIZE WHAT THE MAYOR JUST SAID, AND THAT IS THAT THAT IS NOT TO SUGGEST THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO OVER IN RIVER PARK EAST FROM A STANDPOINT OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND RESILIENCY. SO THEY ARE NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. WE CAN KEEP THIS, NOT SELL IT, AND STILL DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO WITH DIFFERENT AREAS IN IN THE CRA BOUNDARIES. SO THAT'S A LONG WAY OF SAYING HOLD IT AND SOD IT. THANKS FOR THANK YOU, SIR. THAT'S FOR MR. PAUL. YOU WERE. YEAH. I KNOW A LOT OF THIS HAPPENED BEFORE I WAS HERE, SO. SURE. SO AT THIS POINT, IF LEASING IS OFF THE TABLE, THAT'S SO BAD THAT IT CAN'T BE LEASED, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD PROBABLY HOLD IT. AND PROBABLY IF THE CONDITION IS SO BAD THAT IT'S A LIABILITY AND YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT THE PROPERTY, IT'S NOT BEING MAINTAINED, WE DON'T WANT TO RODENT INFESTED BUILDING AND ALL THAT. SO SO THAT WOULD LEAD IT DOWN TO TEARING IT DOWN AND, AND USING IT FOR FUTURE USE FOR THE CITY MAYOR, YOU HAD FURTHERMORE REMARKS YOU'VE GOT YOUR EYE ON. OH, SORRY. ALL RIGHT. YES, SIR. MR. SCHULTZ, I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE ISSUE WITH MY COLLEAGUE, VICE MAYOR IN PORTFOLIO MANAGEMENT. YOU WOULD HAVE A STOP LOSS. YOU BUY IT AT TEN. IF IT GOES TO 930, YOU'RE GOING TO REALIZE A 7% LOSS AND THEN YOU CUT IT. YOU DON'T NEED TO BE WRONG MORE THAN 7%. YOU DON'T HOLD ON AND PRAY THAT GOES UP. YOU WOULD CUT LOSS. HOWEVER, IN REAL ESTATE, ESPECIALLY IN NAPLES REAL ESTATE, THAT'S NOT A VIABLE OPTION. NOT HOPING THAT IT'S GOING TO GO UP. IT PROBABLY WILL. BUT THIS ISN'T A LIQUID SECURITY. LIKE YOU CAN JUST TRADE ON THE STOCK EXCHANGE. SO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS HERE. I THINK AT LEAST FROM MY COUNT, AT LEAST FIVE. I DON'T KNOW IF THE MAYOR MADE A MOTION. MAYOR, DID SHE MAKE. YEAH, YEAH. THEN I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. OKAY. 
          SO AT THIS POINT, THE CONSENSUS IS YES, SIR. SO SO THERE HASN'T BEEN A MOTION. SO THERE HAS BEEN NO MOTION. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE CONSENSUS. I'LL MAKE A MOTION, PLEASE TO HOLD INSIDE. 
          HOLD INSIDE. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? SO, YES, PAUSE FOR JUST ONE SECOND IF WE COULD. SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED TWO MOTIONS HERE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL ACTUALLY HAS TO AUTHORIZE THE DEMOLITION OF THE PROPERTY PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTE. SO RIGHT NOW, I THINK THE FIRST MOTION IS TO AUTHORIZE THE FUNDING FOR THE DIRECTION THAT YOU'VE ALL DECIDED CRA FUNDING, AND THEN THERE WILL BE A SECOND MOTION RECOMMENDING TO CITY COUNCIL THE DEMOLITION. THE DEMOLITION, ETC. AND, ANITA, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, 
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BUT I THINK TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS IS APPROPRIATE HERE. SO THE C R C R A FUNDING SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SODDING THE DEMOLITION, ETC. AND THEN THE SECOND MOTION WOULD BE A RECOMMEND TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT WOULD BE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL TO GO AHEAD AND DO THAT. CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S VERY ACCEPTABLE. I WOULD ACCEPT THAT. BUT THEN ALSO ADD THAT WHEN, WHEN AND IF THE PROPERTY GETS SOLD, THAT WHATEVER RESOURCES COME FROM THAT, GO BACK TO THE RIVER PARK PROJECT AND WE MAY HAVE USED FUNDS FROM ANOTHER PLACE, THEN WE CAN JUST REPLENISH THOSE FUNDS. BUT IT DOESN'T TAKE RIVER PARK EAST OFF THE DRIVER. SO I AGREE THAT MR. MCCONNELL SAID IS VERY ACCURATE. SO I'LL TAKE THAT AS AN AMENDMENT MOTION. SO MAKE IT I SECOND, I HAVE A QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE ALLOWED TO EARMARK FUNDS LIKE THAT WHEN IT'S A CITY. YEAH, THAT WAS MY QUESTION. WELL, AND JUST BACK UP FOR A MINUTE. I ACTUALLY CAN'T MAKE MOTIONS FOR YOU. SO I KNOW I SAID IT PERFECTLY, BUT I ACTUALLY DID. I NEED, I NEED ONE OF YOU TO ACTUALLY MAKE MAKE IT MAKE IT. WELL, AM I RIGHT IN MY REASONING THERE THAT WE CAN'T HEAR WHAT HE SAID? I DIDN'T HEAR EXACTLY WHAT HE SAID, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO USE CRA FUNDS FOR IT. NO, HE SAID WAS IF AND WHEN WE SELL IT THAT WE DESIGNATE RIGHT NOW THAT THOSE FUNDS SHOULD GO TO THE RIVER PARK PROJECT, THAT WE WOULD JUST REVERT TO THE CRA FUND BECAUSE THAT'S WHO PAID FOR IT, AND IT WOULD AUTOMATICALLY BECOME PART OF THE FUND BALANCE AND BE EARMARKED BY THAT BOARD AT THAT TIME. OKAY. THAT'S APPROPRIATE. 
          CAN EVERYONE LIVE WITH THAT? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. SO AT THIS POINT, THE CONSENSUS IS TO NEED A NEW MOTION. THAT'S RIGHT. BECAUSE WE WE HAD WE HAD PROPERTY. SO HOLD ON, HOLD INSIDE. NO, NO, BUT HE DIDN'T MAKE A MOTION. HE SAID, I AGREE WITH WHAT HE SAID, WHICH IS I HAD THOUGHT YOU MADE A MOTION. ALRIGHT. MR. MR. SCHULTZ, PLEASE MAKE A MOTION. MAKE A NEW MOTION FOR THE DEMOLITION. SAW THAT THE SECOND MOTION WOULD BE PLEASE REFRESH ME KNOW. 
          SO SO LET'S ENTERTAIN ONE MOTION AT A TIME, ONE AT A TIME. THE FIRST ONE IS APPROVING CRA FUNDING FOR THE DEMOLITION SODDING OF THE PROPERTY AT 170 10TH STREET NORTH. I'LL SECOND THAT. NO, I'LL ACCEPT THAT LANGUAGE. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. 
          I'M GOING TO. I'M GOING TO FIX MR. SCHULTZ MOTION, IF I MAY. WELL, WE DON'T HAVE A MOTION YET. I'D LIKE TO MAKE ONE. OH, WE DON'T KNOW. I THOUGHT WE DID. HE JUST SAID HE JUST REPEATED WHAT THE WHAT THE. HE SAID HE ACCEPTS THE ATTORNEYS. BUT THE ATTORNEY CAN'T MAKE A MOTION. 
          RIGHT. SO WE NEED WE NEED A MOTION THAT APPROVES THE FUNDING FOR THE DEMO AND THE SOD. AND I'D BE HAPPY TO SECOND YOURS IF YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. THANK YOU. 
          YES. SO WHAT ARE WE DOING NOW? PLEASE SAY THAT I HAVE A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PROJECT, TO TEAR IT DOWN AND SOD IT AND GET ON WITH LIFE. EXCUSE ME. DO I HAVE A SECOND FOR THAT? I'D LOVE TO SECOND THAT. OKAY. COUNCILMAN, LET'S GO DOWN THE LINE. SO OBVIOUSLY, MR. SCHULTZ, YOU'RE IN FAVOR. YES, MA'AM. COACH? YES. NO, NO. YES. YES. YES. YES. MOTION APPROVED TO HOLD AND HOLD. DEMO. HOLD INSIDE. BY THE WAY. THANK YOU, MISS JENKINS, BECAUSE THAT WAS VERY CLEAR IN YOUR MEMO. WE NEED A SECOND MOTION TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO DEMOLISH THE BUILDING, CLEAR THE LOT AND STABILIZE. MAY I MAKE A MOTION? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO PROCEED WITH THE DEMO AND SORTING OF THIS LOCATION. SECOND, ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNIFY BY SAYING I. AYE. ALL OPPOSED? NO ONE. IT PASSES 6 TO 1. DO WE NEED TO HAVE THE CLERK DO AN OFFICIAL ROLL CALL? IF YOUR MEETING MINUTES ARE ACCURATE? I HEARD SIX ONE. BOTH VICE MAYOR SAID NO TO BOTH, BUT YES, IT IS APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THE CLERK DO ROLL CALL VOTES. OKAY, WE'LL DO ROLL CALL. IT'S UP TO THEM. MEMBER. YES. MEMBER BLANKENSHIP. NO. MAYOR HARTMAN. YES. MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. MEMBER. CROWE. YES. VICE CHAIR. 
          SCHULTZ. YES. CHAIR. PENMAN. YES. THANK YOU. COUNCIL CRA. THAT WAS AN INTERESTING DISCUSSION. MOVING ON. YES, MR. CLARK, REAL QUICK, THE FIRST ONE YOU'RE OKAY WITH. YES. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. I'LL SAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'RE NOW ON NUMBER EIGHT C. THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE MULTI 
          [8.C) Presentation of an Update on Multi-basin Projects in River Park East and River Park West (CIP 26C14), and Discussion of CRA Budget Priorities. ]
BASIN PROJECTS. AND I BELIEVE ANITA YOU'RE GOING TO TEE THIS UP. AND AT THIS POINT IN TIME 
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YES THANK YOU. THIS ITEM IS BOTH A DISCUSSION OF THE MULTI BASIN PROJECTS WITHIN THE CURRENT CRA BUDGET AND A DISCUSSION OF YOUR BUDGET PRIORITIES. AND THIS IS AT THE REQUEST OF THE CRA BOARD AT YOUR MEETING DECEMBER 4TH TO BRING THIS ITEM BACK FOR YOUR DISCUSSION. SO AT THE DECEMBER 4TH MEETING, AS WAS REFLECTED IN YOUR MEETING MINUTES, THERE WAS AN UPDATE THAT WAS PROVIDED FOR THE RIVER PARK EAST AND RIVER PARK WEST MULTI BASIN PROJECTS. AND DURING THAT DISCUSSION, DOCTOR GEORGE SHARED THE POTENTIAL FOR A LONG TERM STRATEGY FOR FULL REPLACEMENT OF THE WATER, SEWER AND STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE IN RIVER PARK EAST. THE CR. THE CRA BOARD REQUESTED STAFF TO SCHEDULE ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ON BOTH THE CRA BUDGET PRIORITIES AND TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL TECHNICAL INFORMATION AND FINANCIAL INFORMATION ON THE FULL SCALE INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT AND FOR THE CRA BOARD TO DETERMINE HOW THAT FITS WITHIN YOUR BUDGET PRIORITIES. SO I'M GOING TO START WITH A BRIEF RECAP OF WHAT WE HAVE IN YOUR CIP TODAY FOR THESE MULTI BASIN PROJECTS. 
          I'M THEN GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO DOCTOR JORGE, MR. COPELAND AND MR. YOUNG TO WALK THROUGH THE DETAILS ON THE TECHNICAL INFORMATION ON THE FULL SCALE PROJECT, AND THEN A REFLECTION ON YOUR BUDGET PRIORITIES. SO THIS PRESENTATION ■WAS FIRST SHARED WITH THE CRA IN AUGUST OF 2025. AND THIS PRESENTATION WAS SHARED FOR THE PURPOSE OF YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM AND APPROVING THAT AT THE TIME. SO WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT JUST BRIEFLY AS A RECAP. 
          THIS IS THE SAME PRESENTATION. SO YOU'LL SEE SOME SOME OLDER RECOMMENDATIONS IN HERE, BUT IT'S THE SAME PRESENTATION. SO AT THAT TIME WE WERE WE WERE PRESENTING THE PLANS IN THE MULTI BASIN STUDY THAT THE CITY CONDUCTED THAT WERE WITHIN THE CRA BOUNDARY. SO THIS IS A MAP OF THE THE YELLOW LINE SHOWS YOU THE CRA BOUNDARY AND A RECAP OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT HAS BEEN COMPLETED THAT IS UNDERWAY. AND THAT IS POTENTIAL FOR THE FUTURE. THE PROJECTS THAT WERE COMPLETED SO FAR BY THE CRA INCLUDED EIGHTH STREET AND 2020 AND CENTRAL AVENUE IN 2017, AND AT THAT TIME, THE CRA WAS FUNDING THE PROJECTS FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE ABOVE GROUND. SO THE STORMWATER WAS OUT OF THE STORMWATER FUND FOR THOSE PROJECTS. CURRENTLY, THE CRA IS UNDERGOING DESIGN FOR FIRST AVENUE SOUTH, AND THIS IS INDICATED IN THE BLUE AREA. I'M SORRY, THE GREEN AREA, THE FIRST AVENUE SOUTH PROJECT, 10TH STREET AND 12TH STREET. 
          THIS PROJECT IS REACHING 60% DESIGN. IT IS CURRENTLY IN YOUR CIP FOR CONSTRUCTION FUNDING UPCOMING AND WE EXPECT TO BRING MORE INFORMATION TO YOU HOPEFULLY AT YOUR CITY COUNCIL MEETING IN MAY. OKAY. WE ALSO HAD AT THE TIME IN YOUR CIP IMPROVEMENTS TO FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH. STAFF WAS IMPLEMENTING WHAT THE CRA HAD DONE IN A STUDY BACK IN 2020 FOR IMPROVEMENTS FOR FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH. WE BROUGHT FORWARD TO YOU A SCOPE OF SERVICES FOR YOUR REVIEW AND APPROVAL, AND AT THAT TIME, THE CRA ALSO REQUESTED STAFF TO INCLUDE STORMWATER IN UTILITY IMPROVEMENTS ON FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH. THAT PROJECT HAS WENT THROUGH PROCUREMENT. WE DID RECEIVE A PROPOSAL, AND WE ARE HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT TODAY WITH YOUR BUDGET PRIORITY DISCUSSION. FUTURE PROJECTS INCLUDED DOT PLANS FOR 41. AND THEN THESE MULTI BASIN PROJECTS. AGAIN, THIS IS AN OLDER PRESENTATION. SO WE WERE INDICATING THESE WERE FUTURE PROJECTS. SO TO RECAP THE THE PROJECT THAT IS IN THE MULTI BASIN STUDY FOR D THREE, IT WAS ALONG CENTRAL AVENUE AND IT INCLUDED UPSIZING THOSE STORMWATER PIPES AND CREATING A NEW OUTFALL TO HELP THE WATER WITHIN THAT AREA. WHEN WE STARTED THE FIRST 10TH AND 12TH STREET PROJECTS, THE ENGINEER OF RECORD AT THAT TIME REVIEWED 
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THE MULTI BASIN STUDY AND INDICATED THAT THEY COULD CAPTURE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS ON FIRST AVENUE SOUTH. SO THIS D THREE PROJECT THAT IS IN THE C R, A IN YOUR MULTI BASIN STUDY IS IS ACTUALLY IN THE FIRST AVENUE SOUTH PROJECT. WE'VE INCREASED THOSE PIPE SIZES ALONG FIRST AVENUE SOUTH AND CREATED AN OUTFALL. AND THE CRA APPROVED THAT AS A CHANGE ORDER TO THAT CONTRACT SOME TIME AGO. SO THE PROJECTS THAT ARE WITHIN THE CRA INCLUDED AREA A, D, AND B WITHIN THE MULTI BASIN STUDY AREA E IS WITHIN THE RIVER PARK EAST NEIGHBORHOOD. AREA D IS THE RIVER PARK WEST NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THEN AREA B IS THE SIXTH AVENUE SOUTH NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THE FUTURE PROJECTS THAT WE DISCUSSED WITH YOU AT THAT TIME FOR FUNDING WERE THE THREE PROJECTS IN RIVER PARK EAST. SO THE FIRST PROJECT WAS ALONG 13TH STREET AND INCLUDED SOME NEW OUTFALL AND IMPROVEMENTS FOR FLOODING IN THAT AREA. IT INCLUDED FIFTH AVENUE NORTH, WHICH IS PROJECT E TWO, AND AGAIN, UPSIZING. THE PIPE AND OUTFALLS THERE. AND THEN PROJECT E FIVE ALONG 14TH AVENUE OR 14TH STREET. I'M SORRY. AND AGAIN, THAT WAS UPSIZING THE OUTFALL TO HELP THE FLOODING CONDITIONS IN THAT THAT AREA. THE PROJECT D ONE WAS IN RIVER PARK WEST AND THAT IS PRIMARILY ALONG FIFTH AVENUE NORTH. AND IT ALSO INCLUDES AN OUTFALL. SOME OF THIS PROJECT, ABOUT 30% OF IT, WHICH YOU'LL SEE IN THIS. ON 10TH STREET, WHICH IS INDICATED ON YELLOW THERE THAT IS ALREADY INCLUDED ON OUR 10TH STREET PROJECT. SO THIS MULTI BASIN STUDY OCCURRED PRIOR TO THE DESIGN OF 10TH STREET. SO WE HAVE ALSO CAPTURED SOME OF THIS PROJECT WITHIN 10TH STREET. SO THIS PROJECT WOULD PRIMARILY FOCUS ON FIFTH AVENUE NORTH AND THE C R A AT THE TIME OF THIS DISCUSSION. AND YOUR BUDGET PRIORITIES ALSO INCLUDED THE RIVER PARK WEST NEIGHBORHOOD OF SIXTH AVENUE NORTH. WE HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT IN THE MULTI BASIN STUDY WITHIN THE C, R A, WHICH IS PROJECT D TWO, THAT IS A PUMP STATION REPLACEMENT. OVER AT THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. YOU CAN SEE THE THE COST ESTIMATE ON THAT ONE. AND WE INDICATED THAT THAT WOULD BE A FUTURE PROJECT. AND THOSE PUMP STATIONS WERE UNDER EVALUATION AT THE TIME. SO THAT IS NOT CURRENTLY IN YOUR CRA BUDGET. ALSO, ANOTHER PROJECT IN THE FINAL PROJECT IN THE MULTI BASIN STUDY FOR THE CRA IS PROJECT B ONE. THIS IS A SIXTH AVENUE SOUTH AREA AND IT INCLUDES UPSIZING. A LOT OF THE STORM WATER PIPES IN THAT AREA AND ALSO INCLUDING A PUMP STATION. THIS PROJECT IS NOT IN CURRENTLY YOUR CRA BUDGET. SO STAFF HAD RECOMMENDED DURING YOUR BUDGET DISCUSSIONS TO INCLUDE THE STORMWATER PROJECTS FOR RIVER PARK EAST AND RIVER PARK WEST. YOUR CRA BOARD ADVISORY BOARD ALSO REVIEWED THESE PROJECTS AND MADE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO YOU AT THAT TIME. SO AT THIS TIME, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO DOCTOR GEORGE, MR. COPELAND AND MR. YOUNG TO GO THROUGH THE FULL DEMONSTRATION PROJECTS, WHAT THE TECHNICAL DETAILS ARE ON THAT, AND THEN FOLLOWING A DISCUSSION OF YOUR BUDGET PRIORITIES. AND I'M GOING TO STEP BACK HERE. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON, AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH, ANITA. THAT WAS VERY GOOD. COMPREHENSIVE BACKGROUND. AND BROUGHT OUR NEW. MEMBERS AND COUNCIL MEMBERS UP TO SPEED IN TERMS OF C, A OVERALL PROGRAM AND PROJECTS, INCLUDING STORMWATER. SO INQUIRIES WERE MADE AND RAISED ABOUT WHAT CAN BE DONE. RIVER PARK IS AND IT STARTED WITH STORMWATER AND STORMWATER DISCUSSION HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE, AND IT HAS BEEN AN AGENDA FOR CRA 
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ADVISORY BOARD AS WELL. AND RECENTLY KIMLEY-HORN, THAT WAS HIRED BY CITY AS A CONSULTANT, LOOK INTO A NUMBER OF AREAS, INCLUDING AREAS WITHIN RIVER PARK EAST AND RIVER PARK WEST. 
          THE INQUIRY INCLUDED. WHAT ARE THE OPTIONS WE HAVE MOVING FORWARD AS FAR AS RELIABLE, RESILIENT INFRASTRUCTURE? KIMLEY-HORN PROVIDED TWO OPTIONS, AMONG FEW OTHERS GRAVITY SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS ONLY AND OR HYBRID SYSTEM WHERE GRAVITY SYSTEMS ARE IMPROVED. 
          IN ADDITION TO PUMP STATIONS THAT WILL BE ABLE TO DISCHARGE STORMWATER RUNOFF FASTER WITH MUCH HIGHER CAPACITY. THEREFORE, BEING ABLE TO MAKE THE AREA MORE RESILIENT AND RELIABLE FROM STORMWATER MANAGEMENT STANDPOINT AND AND MINIMIZING, IF NOT ELIMINATING FLOOD BASED ON THE DESIGN CRITERIA. SO THROUGH THIS, THROUGH THIS DIALOG AND DISCUSSION, IF WE, IF, IF THE DECISION IS POLICY DECISION IS WE WANT TO GO THERE AND IMPLEMENT A ROBUST, MORE PERMANENT SOLUTION FOR STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE, INCLUDING STORMWATER PUMP STATIONS, WHAT ARE THE OPPORTUNITIES WE HAVE IN ADDITION TO JUST STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS? AND THAT'S WHERE THE. WITH NEW CITY MANAGER BEING ON BOARD AND, AND BRINGING ME ON BOARD, WE INITIATED CITYWIDE CITY PURE PROGRAM. THAT'S CITY PUBLIC UTILITIES RENEWAL PROGRAM. THE CONCEPT HERE IS IF WE GO AHEAD AND TOUCH AN INFRASTRUCTURE IN ANY NEIGHBORHOOD, LET'S SAY WE'RE GOING TO GO IN THERE AND DIG AND DISTURB NEIGHBORHOOD FOR STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE, WHY NOT GO AT THE SAME TIME, REPLACE WASTEWATER LATERALS, CLEAN OUTS, DOMESTIC WASTEWATER SEWER SYSTEM, PUT NEW DRINKING WATER. MAINS AND AND SERVICE LINES, NEW BACKFLOW PREVENTION DEVICES. OR BY THE WAY, LET'S RENEW OUR FIRE HYDRANTS. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT 40 TO 50 YEARS OLD INFRASTRUCTURE. IN ADDITION TO THAT, WHY NOT BUILD OUR STREETS AND AND ROADS TO HIGHER APPROPRIATE ELEVATION? AND SO THAT WHEN WE MOVE OUT OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, WE ARE VIRTUALLY BUILDING A NEW SUBDIVISION WITHOUT TOUCHING OUR NEIGHBOR'S HOME. SO EXAMPLES WERE GIVEN THROUGHOUT THE OTHER PLACES, LIKE AS OF AND NORTH NAPLES PARK FINGER STREETS, VERY SIMILAR TO OUR FINGER STREETS HERE. AND, AND THAT HAS PROVEN THAT IT IS MUCH MORE EFFECTIVE, EFFICIENT, AND MUCH QUICKER TO BE ABLE TO UPGRADE OUR OVERALL CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE INSTEAD OF DOING IT. BITS AND PIECES LIKE STORMWATER, WASTEWATER, WASTEWATER PUMP STATIONS, STORMWATER PUMP STATIONS AND WHAT HAVE YOU. SO THE CONCEPT FOR FULL SCALE DEMONSTRATION PROJECT CAME FROM, IS THIS AREA A GOOD CANDIDATE FOR FULL SCALE DEMONSTRATION PROJECT WHERE WE WILL LEARN LESSONS? LESSONS WILL INCLUDE. LET'S REPEAT WHAT WORKED ELSEWHERE THROUGHOUT THE CITY WHEN WE INVEST TOWARD FUTURE QUARTER BILLION DOLLAR PLUS MINUS AND AND ALSO LEARN WHAT DID NOT WORK AND MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T REPEAT THOSE ON MUCH LARGER SCALE. SO IF THIS IS, LET'S SAY 20 MILLION PLUS MINUS PROJECT, WE'RE LOOKING AT QUARTER BILLION DOLLAR PROGRAM MOVING FORWARD. SO IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR CRA TO CONSIDER AND, AND HOWEVER, THERE ARE FUNDING, FUND MANAGEMENT, BONDING AND 
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FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS IN TERMS OF REVISITING PRIORITIES FOR THE CRA AS A WHOLE. AND THAT WILL BE THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED MUCH MORE IN DETAIL BY OUR. PUBLIC WORKS FINANCE AND CIP MANAGER, BEN COPELAND, AND OUR CITY MANAGER, YOUNG. SO TO SUMMARIZE WHAT I JUST SAID, WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU, VISIBLE AERIAL AND IT SHOWS YOU WHAT IT MEANS IN BRIEF EXECUTIVE SUMMARY IMPLEMENTATION PLAN FOR FULL SCALE DEMONSTRATION PROJECT THAT INCLUDES COMPLETE REPLACEMENT OF NEW WATER AND SEWER DOMESTIC SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE. WHILE WE ARE UPGRADING OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM, THAT INCLUDES TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM, ELEVATE ROADS AND ROADWAYS AND HAVE THE STORMWATER SYSTEM UPGRADED TO HYBRID SYSTEM WHERE IT'S PRESSURIZED AND GRAVITY DRIVEN CONVEYANCE SYSTEM, INCLUDING TWO STORMWATER PUMP STATIONS. NOW, LEVEL OF SERVICE DOING SO WILL BE INCREASED FROM FIVE YEAR, ONE HOUR STORM EVENT TO 25 YEAR, THREE DAY STORM EVENT. WITH THE PEAK FLOWS BEING ABLE TO HANDLE 25 YEAR, ONE DAY PEAK STORM EVENT. THAT'S APPROXIMATELY EQUIVALENT TO NOT EQUAL TO IRMA. BACKFLOW AND BACKWATERS OR IT'S ALSO CALLED TAILWATER SURGE ELEVATIONS. SO JUST TO PAINT A PICTURE IN TERMS OF WHAT THOSE NUMBERS MEANS, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO YOU FOR THIS FULL SCALE DEMONSTRATION PROJECT IS GOING TO BE DESIGNED TO HANDLE LEVEL OF M-CLASS, HURRICANE IRMA STORM EVENT, AND WHAT WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO DISCHARGE IN TERMS OF PEAK FLOWS, AS WELL AS THREE DAY CONSECUTIVE CONTINUOUS FLOWS. AND HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN TERMS OF STORMWATER, WASTEWATER AND AND DRINKING WATER, BE ABLE BE ABLE TO HAVE THE RELIABILITY AND BE RESILIENT ENOUGH SO THAT WE HAVE A CONTINUATION OF WATER, WATER SERVICE AND WASTEWATER SERVICE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WATER AND WASTE WATER MAIN BREAKS BECAUSE OF THEY ARE OLD AND NOT DESIGNED TO UP TO STANDARDS IN INCLUDING MATERIAL TYPE AND PIPE TYPE AND AND HOW THEY ARE BUILT. SO WITH THAT, I WANT TO ALSO MENTION THAT ONE OF THE THINGS GENERAL GUIDANCE I DO HAVE FROM OUR CITY MANAGER, WE NEED TO HAVE READINESS FOR EVERY STORM EVENT WHERE WE CAN. AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO FOR PERMANENT LONG TERM SOLUTIONS, DOCTOR JORGE, I WILL CHALLENGE YOU. WHAT'S THE INTERMEDIATE SOLUTIONS? SO FOR THIS FULL SCALE DEMONSTRATION PROJECT, WE ARE MOBILIZING AT LEAST TWO UNITS. ONE IS GOING TO BE RIGHT AFTER EASTER. ON THE CHURCH SIDE, IT WILL BE VERY SIMILAR TO AQUA LANE, 17TH AVENUE, SOUTH VFD DIESEL PUMP STATION, AND THAT WILL BE ALSO A SMALL PILOT PROJECT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO TEST BACKFLOW PREVENTION VALVES, MOSE MOTOR OPERATED VALVES, AND WE LEARN A LOT FROM IT AS WELL. AND THEN THE SECOND PUMP STATION, IF NEEDED, IDENTIFIED ALREADY AND READY TO BE MOBILIZED BEFORE MID-JUNE. SO THAT'S OUR IMMEDIATE OPERATIONAL RESPONSE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING ALL WE CAN TO TAKE CARE OF OUR CUSTOMERS IN THIS AREA. 
          INTERMEDIATE IMPROVEMENTS ALREADY APPROVED BY CRA. AND THAT WAS THE GRAVITY ONLY IMPROVEMENTS AS ANITA WENT THROUGH THOSE YELLOW PIPES. AND COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT IS AROUND MILLION DOLLAR PLUS -10%. AND GOING INTO MORE ROBUST, HARDENED, RELIABLE, FULL SCALE DEMONSTRATION PROJECT. ARE WE READY FOR NOT ONLY TROPICAL STORM EVENTS THAT WE'RE GOING 
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TO GET EVERY FIVE YEARS OR EVERY YEAR? ARE WE GOING TO BE READY FOR STORM EVENTS? WE ANTICIPATE EVERY 25 YEARS? IS THE IS THE FULL SCALE DEMONSTRATION PROJECT IS DESIGNED TO ADDRESS. GOING BACK TO IMPLICATIONS AROUND THE FUNDING PRIORITIES, SYNCHRONIZATION OF THE YEARS AND CASH FLOW MANAGEMENT, AND I WILL TURN THAT TO OUR EXPERTS, STARTING WITH OUR PUBLIC WORKS FINANCE AND CIP MANAGER TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. NEXT SLIDE, SIR. 
          THANK YOU GEORGE. WELL SAID. FOR THE RECORD, BEN COPELAND'S PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, THIS NEXT SLIDE THAT YOU SEE HERE, THIS IS YOUR ADOPTED BUDGET AS IT CURRENTLY SITS. AND THIS IS GOING TO BE A REFERENCE POINT FOR EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN TERMS OF THE CHANGES. IF IF, IN FACT, WE PROCEED WITH A FULL SCALE DEMONSTRATION, AND I WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO THE THREE HIGHLIGHTED PROJECTS WITHIN YOUR CURRENT ADOPTED BUDGET, BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S PRIMARILY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SPEAKING ABOUT. THE FIRST ONE BEING THE FIRST AVENUE SOUTH PROJECT, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE CONSTRUCTION WAS FORECASTED OVER TWO YEARS OR ACCOUNTED FOR OVER TWO YEARS. THAT'S GOING TO BE A CHANGE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE ON THE NEXT SLIDE. BASED ON THE CURRENT STATUS OF DESIGN AND HOW WE AWARD CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS. NUMBER TWO, YOU'LL SEE THAT THE SECOND PROJECT THAT'S HIGHLIGHTED, THAT'S ONLINE FIVE THAT THAT ACCOUNTS FOR RIVER PARK EAST AND WEST. IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FULL SCALE DEMONSTRATION, WE'RE GOING TO BREAK THAT PROJECT INTO TWO PROJECTS AND DELINEATE BETWEEN RIVER PARK WEST AND RIVER PARK EAST. OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE OF COST AND THE WAY THAT THOSE PROJECTS WILL, WILL FALL OUT. AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS AT THE BOTTOM. THAT JUST FORECASTED A LEVEL OF EFFORT IN THE OUT YEARS. YOU GOT TO KEEP IN MIND THOSE THOSE FIGURES WERE PUT IN THERE PRIOR TO THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN. AND AS PRIORITIES WERE DISCUSSED AND SURFACED, WE'RE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE CHANGE WHERE WE'RE NO LONGER GOING TO PROJECT THOSE IN THE FUTURE YEARS. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS SLIDE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, AS IT'S DRAFTED RIGHT NOW, ONLY INCLUDES ONE PROJECT THAT THAT IS BEING FUNDED, AND THAT'S THAT FIRST AVENUE SOUTH PROJECT. YOU'RE GOING TO NOTICE THAT THERE IF AGAIN, REFERENCING THE PREVIOUS SLIDE, THERE WAS 8.8 MILLION BUDGETED IN THE CURRENT YEAR, 9.6 MILLION IN THE SECOND YEAR. 
          WE'RE PROPOSING TO REALLOCATE THE FUNDING. THAT'S IN THE CURRENT YEAR TO NEXT YEAR FOR A TOTAL OF THAT 18.5 MILLION. I THINK THE ACTUAL IF YOU WERE TO TO DO THE MATH, IT'S 18.524. 
          IT'S ROUNDED OFF TO 18.5 MILLION. AND THEN YOU'LL NOTICE ON THE SECOND, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE RIVER PARK EAST AND WEST PROJECTS HAVE BEEN SEPARATED SPECIFICALLY IN THE CURRENT YEAR. SO IF YOU GO BACK TO THAT PREVIOUS SLIDE AND YOU LOOK AT THAT 1.725 MILLION, THAT WAS FOR FOR DESIGN OF RIVER PARK WEST AND EAST, YOU'RE GOING TO NOTICE THAT 725 IS NOW GOING TO BE DEDICATED SPECIFICALLY TO RIVER PARK WEST. AND THERE'S ACTUALLY 2 MILLION. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 1 MILLION FROM THE ORIGINAL PROJECT OF THE 1.725. BUT WE'RE ALSO RECOMMENDING TO REALLOCATE OR REDISTRIBUTE 1 MILLION FROM THE FIRST AVENUE SOUTH PROJECT THAT WILL NOT BE TOUCHED THIS YEAR, IN ORDER TO ACCOUNT FOR AN ESCALATED DESIGN OF THE FULL SCALE DEMONSTRATION. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY, THE FIRST AVENUE SOUTH AGAIN WILL BE REVERTED TO FUND BALANCE AND REAPPROPRIATED NEXT YEAR. BUT CONSIDERING THE STATUS AND WE'LL GET TO THE STATUS AFTER WE GET INTO THE WEEDS ON THE FINANCES AND THE PRIORITIES AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. THE CONSTRUCTION OF BOTH RIVER PARK WEST AND EAST, BECAUSE DESIGN HAS TO COMMENCE AND YOU START BACKING INTO THE WORKFLOWS WITH PROCUREMENT AND EVERYTHING. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE STARTING CONSTRUCTION FOR TWO YEARS. SO THAT'S THE PRIMARY REASON YOU DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET, BECAUSE THERE'S THINGS THAT HAVE TO TAKE PLACE BEFORE CONSTRUCTION CAN COMMENCE. THEN YOU'LL NOTICE ALSO ON THE SCHEDULE THAT WE DID REFERENCE PROJECT D2. D2 WAS THE PUBLIC WORKS PUMP STATION. YOU'LL NOTICE IT'S LISTED ON THE SUMMARY, BUT IT'S STRICTLY TO MEMORIALIZE THE FACT THAT WE'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH IT AT THIS TIME. THERE'S NOTHING BUDGETED IN THE OUT YEARS. THERE IS AN EVALUATION THAT'S BEEN REFERENCED AND WAS PRESENTED TO YOU DURING THE CIP PROCESS LAST YEAR. WE ARE WORKING ON A PROPOSAL, AND CITY COUNCIL WILL SEE A TASK ORDER SOMETIME IN MAY FOR THAT EVALUATION, AND THEN THAT'LL DICTATE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS PUMP STATION IN THE FUTURE BASED ON THAT EVALUATION, BASED ON STAFF'S, YOU KNOW, DELIBERATIONS INTERNALLY, WE DON'T SUSPECT THAT IT'S GOING TO BE NEAR $20.5 MILLION, AS REFERENCED IN THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, JUST BECAUSE OF OUR OUR KNOWLEDGE OF THE CONDITION OF THAT STATION. BUT WE WILL LET THE EVALUATION TAKE PLACE AND LET THAT BE VETTED OUT THROUGH THAT PROCESS. AND THEN ADDITIONALLY, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE PROJECT B ONE AT THE BOTTOM, WHICH WAS SIX AVENUE SOUTH, AGAIN, IT'S BEING MEMORIALIZED HERE JUST TO SIGNIFY THAT IT WAS PART OF THE WHOLE PRESENTATION PROCESS WITH ALL OF THE MULTI-STATION MULTI 
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BASIN PROJECTS WITHIN THE CRA. BUT AT THIS TIME, IT IS NOT MOVING FORWARD, JUST PRIMARILY BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS A LOWER RANKING PROJECT AT THE TIME, AND IT'S JUST BEING DEFERRED UNTIL A FUTURE DATE. AND THEN YOU'LL SEE THE CHANGE THAT I MENTIONED ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS IN THOSE OUT YEARS, THAT THOSE ARE BEING ELIMINATED, WHICH WILL OVERALL IMPACT THE FINANCIAL FORECAST OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OVERALL SUMMARY OF THE CRA BUDGET, WE'VE WE'VE TRIED TO ORGANIZE AND ACCOUNT FOR ALL THE MULTI BASIN ASSESSMENTS OR INFRASTRUCTURE, IF YOU WILL, AT THE TOP OF THE SCHEDULE. SO YOU CAN SEE THE GRAND TOTALS WITH THOSE INITIATIVES IN COMPARISON TO ALL OF THE OTHER ELEMENTS WITHIN THE CRA. THE CRA FUNDS. SO YOU GET THAT GRAND TOTAL BIG PICTURE AT THE BOTTOM. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CRA PAGE. NOW, GOING BACK TO DOCTOR GEORGE'S COMMENTS REGARDING THE FULL SCALE DEMONSTRATION, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF COST? SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AND THIS IS SPECIFIC TO RIVER PARK EAST, BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY PROJECT OF THE THREE THAT ARE CURRENTLY MOVING FORWARD WITHIN THE CRA. 
          HOW DOES THAT COMPARE TO FULL SCALE DEMONSTRATION AND THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN? IF WE WERE TO PROCEED WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN, THE CRA FUND WOULD BE CONTRIBUTING ABOUT $760,000 IN REGARDS TO HOW THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WERE LISTED. NOW, KEEP IN MIND THAT THERE IS A WATER SEWER ELEMENT BECAUSE ANYTIME WE GO AND WE START DIGGING UP STREETS OR JUST TO DO MINOR IMPROVEMENTS, THERE'S WATER AND SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE THAT'S THERE THAT WE NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR, FOR UTILITY CONFLICTS. SO WE'RE ESTIMATING, AND IT'S AN INDUSTRY METRIC, IT'S ABOUT 30% OF THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION OF THE STORMWATER OF ABOUT $578,000 THAT WOULD BE CONTRIBUTED FROM THE WATER SEWER FUND BASED ON THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN RECOMMENDATIONS. HOWEVER, NOW, IF YOU COMPARE THAT TO A FULL SCALE DEMONSTRATION, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 20, INCLUDING DESIGN. YOU'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 24.2 MILLION BEING CONTRIBUTED FROM THE CRA, PRIMARILY FOR THE PUMP STATIONS THAT DOCTOR GEORGE ALLUDED TO IN REGARDS TO THE UPGRADE OF STORMWATER SYSTEM. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THE WATER SEWER ELEMENT. IF WE'RE GOING IN TO REPLACE ALL THE WATER SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ANOTHER 14 MILLION THAT WOULD BE CONTRIBUTED TO THE WATER SEWER FROM THE WATER SEWER FUND FOR THIS ENDEAVOR. 
          FOR A GRAND TOTAL OF 32, $38.2 MILLION. SO AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AT 1.3 MILLION IN COMPARISON TO THE FULL SCALE DEMONSTRATION, IT'S 30 ABOUT $36 MILLION DIFFERENCE. 
          WITH THAT SAID, I'M GOING TO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO GARY FOR ANY FOR THE FINANCIAL RAMIFICATIONS REGARDING THIS ENDEAVOR. THANK YOU BEN. SO OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO WHAT THE EXERCISE I WANT TO GO THROUGH WITH YOU TODAY AND TO JUST KIND OF FORESHADOW, IF WE COULD, ON THIS AGENDA ITEM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS DAVID'S GOING TO BRING UP AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET THAT JUST COMBINES THE TWO LAST TWO SLIDES YOU SAW. AND THE REASON THAT WE'RE DOING IT THIS WAY IS BECAUSE I WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON WHAT THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THE DECISIONS WILL BE. SO THIS IS A EXCEL SPREADSHEET OF THE SLIDES YOU WERE PRESENTED WITH. AND WHAT I WANT TO REMIND YOU, FOR THOSE WHO ARE NEW OR TO THE PREVIOUS MEMBERS AND THOSE WHO ARE NEW, THE CRA DOES NOT HAVE BORROWING CAPACITY IN AND OF ITSELF. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PRIORITIZING YOUR BUDGET, YOU HAVE TO WEIGH THAT AGAINST THE CITY'S PRIORITIES. AND IF IT HAS A DEBT COMPONENT, HOW THAT LIMITS YOUR CITY'S BONDING CAPACITY, THE WAY A BOND WORKS FOR THE CRA IS THAT YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO YOU REQUEST THE CITY TO ISSUE DEBT ON YOUR BEHALF, AND THEN ENTER INTO AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT TO REPAY THE PMI. HOWEVER, IT IS NOT A GENERAL OBLIGATION BOND UNDER THE STATE OF FLORIDA WHERE YOU GO OUT AND IT'S A VOTE OR ANY OF THOSE THINGS. IT'S PLEDGED REVENUE. AND I WILL REMIND YOU AND YOU'LL LEARN AS YOU GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. YOU CAN'T PLEDGE TAX MONEY THAT IS ONLY DONE THROUGH REFERENDUM. SO THE CITY'S GENERAL REVENUES, I'LL REMIND YOU, 72% OF YOUR GENERAL FUND BUDGET IS MADE UP OF TAXES. 
          THEREFORE, YOUR GENERAL REVENUES IS NOT $150 MILLION. IT IS MAYBE 40 AT BEST ACROSS THE CITY AND NON ENTERPRISE RELATED, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T PLEDGE ENTERPRISE FUNDS TO A GOVERNMENTAL FUNCTION. SO THE KEY TO THAT IS WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT DEBT ISSUANCE. 
          YOU LIMIT YOUR ABILITY AS A MEMBER OF COUNCIL TO IMPACT SOMETHING. I'LL REMIND YOU OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING NOW IS DESIGNING FIRE STATION NUMBER TWO, OF WHICH WE ESTIMATE IT COULD COME IN IN 2027, IS $29 MILLION, AND WE'RE GOING TO BE ISSUING DEBT FOR THAT. SO YOUR 
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ABILITY WHEN YOU THINK OF A DEBT MARKET, YOU'RE AT 30, 40%. I ALREADY TOLD YOU, YOU'RE ONLY AT MAXIMUM 40 MILLION. YOU'RE HITTING YOUR CAP THERE. SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS NOW, AND THE REASON I WANT TO GO THROUGH THIS EXCEL EXERCISE IS THE CRA HAS TO PRIORITIZE WHICH ONES THAT YOU WANT TO DO. I DO WANT TO GO TO ONE PUBLIC SPEAKER BEFORE WE DID EVERYONE. AND I'D ASK THAT IF YOU'D INDULGE ME, MA'AM, TO HAVE SOMEONE COME UP TO TALK ABOUT A POTENTIAL ON A GRANT ON ONE THING, BUT I NEEDED YOU TO BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT YOUR DECISIONS, HOW IT WOULD LOOK, AND THAT YOU DO HAVE LIMITS ON HOW MUCH YOU CAN DO. OKAY, SO I JUST SET THAT ALL UP FOR THAT. NOW, IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. WE JUST HAVE TO PICK THOSE PRIORITIES THAT YOU WANT. SO IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME, I'M SORRY FOR MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE BECAUSE IT'S VERY SMALL, BUT IT'S ON YOUR SCREEN HERE. SO I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ENTIRE BUDGET, THE SECTION THAT BEN AND JORGE SHOWED YOU WAS JUST THE MULTI BASIN PORTION. WHEN YOU GET DOWN INTO THE BOTTOM SECTION, IF YOU CAN SEE UP HERE THAT BEGINS THE OTHER PROJECTS YOU HAVE BUDGETED IN THE OUT YEARS. OKAY, SO IN THE LAST CRA BOARD SAID, WELL, WE WANT TO MAKE STORMWATER NUMBER ONE PRIORITY, MOVE IT ALL. AND WE SAID, WAIT A MINUTE, SLOW DOWN. BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT THE MULTI BASIN ACTUALLY IS, WHAT IT WOULD MEAN AND WHAT IT WOULD DO. BUT IN THE SAME TOKEN, I WANT THAT TO BE A REALITY FOR WHAT YOU'RE SEEING. WELL HERE'S THE KEY COMPONENT IN THE SLIDE THAT THAT BEN STOPPED ON WAS, WAS THE ONE SHOWING YOU THAT IN THE END YOU HAVE A NEGATIVE FUND BALANCE AND YOU'LL BE NEEDING THAT TO ACCOMPLISH EVERYTHING YOU'VE ALREADY GOT BUDGETED IN THE OUT YEARS, SHOULD YOU CONTINUE TO WANT TO DO THEM AND YOU ADD THE RECOMMENDATIONS WE'RE TELLING YOU NOW, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU A COUPLE PROBLEMS. THE FIRST ONE IS, AND LET ME JUST SAY THIS, THERE'S MOVEMENT DOWN HERE THAT I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH AND I'M GOING TO SIMULATE THIS FOR YOU, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO JUST BACK IT ALL OFF. I'D LIKE TO HAVE THE REMAINDER OF THE CONVERSATION AND TAKE ANY COMMENTS AND THEN TALK TO YOU ABOUT YOUR PRIORITIES. SO THE REASON I SAY THAT IS YOU'LL SEE THIS IN A MOMENT. IT IS WITHIN YOUR BANDWIDTH TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE WILLINGNESS TO SAY, OKAY, THOSE ARE MY PRIORITIES. AND I SAY THAT WITH THE UTMOST RESPECT. OKAY. SO LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, THOUGH. THE DRIVING ENGINE ON FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THIS. THE, THE TO ME, IT HAS BEEN THE DRIVING ENGINE OF WHAT'S MADE THE C R A ECONOMICALLY VIABLE TO DO OTHER THINGS. THIS ROAD IS, IN MY OPINION, AS IMPORTANT AS ALL OF THE OTHERS. THAT BEING SAID, AND TEN YEARS AGO WE WOULD NOT HAVE PRESUMED WE WERE IN THE POST IAN WORLD WE ARE IN NOW. AND IF YOU REALLY BELIEVE THAT STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE AND AND PRESERVING THE FINANCIAL VIABILITY OF THE C, R, A TO SEVEN YEARS FROM NOW AND TO CONTINUE TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE DON'T CONTINUE TO MAKE THAT A PRIORITY. NOW, THE REASON THAT I WANT TO GO TO A PUBLIC SPEAKER IS THAT EVEN IF WE DECIDE THAT'S THE DIRECTION TO GO, BUT YOU WANT TO DO OTHER THINGS, I, I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO A GRANT ROUTE AND BE WILLING TO NOT POTENTIALLY DO CERTAIN OTHER THINGS IN THE EVENT THAT COMES TO FRUITION. SO NOW INDULGE ME FOR FIVE MINUTES TO GO THROUGH THIS SIMULATION WITH YOU. SO FIRST OF ALL, TO DESIGN FIFTH AVENUE, WE KNOW FOR A FACT IS GOING TO BE ABOUT A MILLION, 5,000,004 AND CHANGE. AND IN ORDER TO DO THAT IN THE REAL WORLD, WE CONSIDER ENGINEERING TO BE 10% OF THE ESTIMATED COST, GIVE OR TAKE. SO IF THAT'S THE CASE, 1 MILLION OR 400,000 IN THIS YEAR IS INSUFFICIENT. SO IF WE TAKE ON RIVER PARK AS IDENTIFIED THERE, IT WOULD PUSH THIS OUT. AND I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO PANIC JUST FOR THAT JUST YET. I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING. SO WHEN WE DO THAT. OOPS. EXCUSE ME. OKAY, OKAY. AND WE TAKE THIS AND I SAY A MILLION FOR IN THE OUT YEARS, AND YOU'LL IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME FOR JUST ONE MOMENT, YOU'LL UNDERSTAND ME. AND THEN WE ESTIMATE SAME TIME FOR DESIGN AND 14 MILLION HERE. NOW, IF I SLIDE OVER TO THIS, I'M EVEN IN WORSE TERRITORY. BUT IF I COME BACK AND I RECOGNIZE. AND I'M JUST GOING TO DO THIS, SO PLEASE DON'T TAKE IT THAT I'M TRYING TO CONVINCE ANY OF YOU OF ANY ONE THING. THE DESIGN WALK ISN'T NEEDED RIGHT NOW. IT NEEDS TO BE A PART OF FIRST AND 10TH AND SHOULD BE DONE IN CONNECTION WITH IT. AND LET'S ASSUME WE SAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO DO 2 MILLION, NOT THREE, AND WE KEEP THAT IN AND WE CHANGE IT TO SAY WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO EXPAND ON THAT, BUT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO CUT IN THIS YEAR, RIGHT? AND FOR NOW. WE CAN'T TACKLE ALL OF OUR STORMWATER. AND WE CAN'T DO 
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WORKFORCE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING. IF WE GET DOWN TO THAT NARRATIVE, YOU'RE AT ABOUT 14,000,008, RIGHT? AND SO THAT PUTS YOU IN POSITION TO AT LEAST BE IN POSITION TO MAKE DECISIONS, TO SAY, WE STILL WANT TO DO AS MUCH AS WE CAN. BUT WHAT IS THE FACTOR THAT'S LEAVING YOU AT A MILLION? 14 EIGHT IF YOU SAY, I'M NOT DOING FIFTH, THAT'S OUT, JUST INDULGE ME FOR THOSE IN THE AUDIENCE FROM FIFTH, WHAT THAT SAYS IS I CAN DO RIVER PARK EAST. I CAN DO MAYBE A LITTLE BIT IN THE DESIGN DISTRICT, BUT I'M NOT TACKLING FIFTH RIGHT NOW. SO I SHOW YOU THAT FOR THE OBVIOUS REASON TO SAY YOU HAVE THREE BIG, MAJOR PROJECTS. ONE HAS BEEN THE DRIVING ENGINE. ONE IS YOU'RE ALREADY AT 60% DESIGN, WHICH INCLUDES STORMWATER REPAIR AND A GROWING AREA THAT YOU JUST PUT A GARAGE INTO. AND AS THE PLAYHOUSE WAS JUST CONSTRUCTED. SO THAT ONE SHOULD BE, IN MY OPINION, IS NUMBER ONE, BECAUSE IT'S AT 60%, DESIGN SHOULD BE COMPLETED. TWO IF YOU DETERMINE RIVER PARK EAST IS THE NEXT MOST IMPORTANT ONE, THEN I WOULD SAY THAT SAY THAT'S FINE. BUT THREE IS THE ECONOMIC DRIVER STILL NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN SOME FORM, SOME FASHION IN THIS PLAN. SO I DID THIS FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF LETTING YOU KNOW YOU KEEP FIFTH IN. YOU GOT TO GO FOR SOME OUTSIDE FUNDING, BUT YOU CAN'T KEEP FIFTH IN. THROW UP A PROPOSAL TO HAVE A $20 MILLION HOUSING AND AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING UNIT. YOU DON'T HAVE THE BANDWIDTH. AND I WILL REMIND YOU THAT THE MOST IMPORTANT SLIDE THAT BEN HAD WHEN HE DEMONSTRATED THE 38 MILLION IS THE C R A PROJECT STILL DRAGS WITH IT. THE CITY OF NAPLES. YOU'RE USING WATER SEWER FUNDS TO THE TUNE OF $14 MILLION IN THAT PROJECT. SO IT'S ALL RIGHT IF WE WORK TOGETHER BECAUSE IT'S GOOD THAT PART OF OUR CITY IS HANDLED BY CRA, NOT AND NOT STORMWATER FUND, BECAUSE WE HAVE 12 OTHER BASINS TO WORK ON. BUT AT THE SAME TOKEN, JUST RECOGNIZE YOU'RE WEAR ANOTHER HAT, WHICH IS YOUR THE EXECUTIVES OF THE, THE WATER SEWER ENTERPRISE FUND, AND THAT'S A RATEPAYER FUND AS WELL. SO I ONLY POINT ALL OF THOSE THINGS OUT SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR BANDWIDTH TO DO ALL OF THOSE THINGS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WHAT IF YOU WANTED TO DO THE THREE PRIMARY AREAS IS WHERE THE FOCUS HAS BEEN. YOU JUST HAVE TO TO EXPLORE IT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. NOW I'M JUST GOING TO TAKE IT BACK. SO AGAIN, IF THERE'S NO. AND I LEFT IN THE THE DESIGN. BUT IF IF FIFTH WENT AWAY COMPLETELY, YOU'RE IN THE POSITIVE AT THAT FIVE YEAR PERIOD. SO IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR SCREENS NOW BEFORE I REVERSE THIS. SO THE POINT IS THIS IS ABOUT BUDGETING AND PRIORITIZING. AND IF YOU PICK ALL OF THOSE THINGS, THEN YOU HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THIS IS MY FIVE YEAR COMMITMENT. YOU CAN'T BE HERE WASTING TIME DISCUSSING AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH NO FUNDS IN PLACE. THIS IS YOUR INITIATIVE AND IT SETS THE TABLE FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. SO I SAVE THAT. NOW I WANT TO GO BACK AND I KNOW THE BIG QUESTION IS, WELL, HOW ARE YOU SAYING THEN THAT WE CAN MAKE IT TO THE POINT WHERE MAYBE WE KEEP FIFTH IN AND MAYBE YOU'RE NOT, BUT I JUST WANT TO GET BACK TO LEVEL SET HERE. SO WITH THAT SAID, I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE YEAH. TAMMY BAILEY FROM KINLEY HORN AND SHE'S GOING TO DISCUSS AN OPPORTUNITY, WHAT'S CALLED AS AN EDA DISASTER SUPPLEMENTAL GRANT DISCUSSION. AND IT'S IN A POST HURRICANE WORLD AND POTENTIAL FOR ECONOMIC GRANTS IN AN ECONOMIC STABILITY OR RECOVERY SITUATION. SO WITH THAT I WOULD LIKE TO WELCOME TAMMY. SO THANK YOU. HI. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR INDULGING THE CITY MANAGER. 
          WHEN I SAW THIS, JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE HISTORY, I USED I USED TO WORK FOR COLLIER COUNTY. I WAS THERE FOR ABOUT FIVE AND A HALF YEARS AND DID A LOT IN THE WORLD OF GRANTS, AND I NOW WORK FOR KIMLEY-HORN AND DO GRANTS ALL ACROSS THE UNITED STATES. ONE OF THE AREAS THAT I SPECIALIZE IN AND FOCUS IN IS, IS ON DISASTER RECOVERY AND RESILIENCE AND BASICALLY BUILDING THINGS BACK BETTER AND STRONGER. AND AS YOU KNOW, THIS AREA AND ALL OF FLORIDA HAS BEEN DEVASTATED REPEATEDLY BY IAN, HELENE AND MILTON. ONE OF THE THINGS IS, IS THAT THE EDA, WHICH IS KIND OF AN UNUSUAL SOURCE, ACTUALLY CAME OUT IN FOR FY 25 WITH $1.4 BILLION IN DISASTER FUNDING. AND IT'S A SUPPLEMENTAL TO HELP SUPPORT ECONOMIC RESILIENCY, ECONOMIC RECOVERY, AND ESSENTIALLY TO KIND OF HELP COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE HAD ECONOMIC IMPACT AS A 
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RESULT OF THESE DISASTERS TO BASICALLY BUILD BACK NOT ONLY BETTER, BUT STRONGER. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I HAPPEN TO SEE. WHEN I HEARD THAT WE HAD BEEN SELECTED TO DESIGN, HELP DESIGN SOME OF THE ELEMENTS IN REGARDS TO FIFTH AVENUE AND KNOWING THAT FIFTH AVENUE IS A HUGE ECONOMIC DRIVER FOR NOT ONLY THE CITY OF NAPLES, BUT ALSO FOR COLLIER COUNTY. AND IT BRINGS TOURISM HERE. IT BRINGS A LOT OF DOLLARS IN REVENUE TO THE AREA. 
          AND WHEN I HAPPEN TO HEAR SOME OF THE STRUGGLES THAT WERE GOING ON, I WAS LIKE, MAN, I, I KNOW THE PERFECT GRANT THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE A GOOD RESOURCE. SO ULTIMATELY, I'M JUST GOING TO GIVE A VERY BRIEF SUMMARY OF IT AND ALSO LET YOU KNOW OF ANOTHER THING THAT CAME OUT OVERNIGHT THAT THE CITY MANAGER DOESN'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT. BUT AT LEAST I'M GOING TO PRESENT SOMETHING TO YOU. IT IS. YEAH, I'M KEEPING HIM IN THE DARK. ACTUALLY, I TOLD ANITA, BUT THEY OPENED BRICK FUNDING AGAIN WITH FEMA, WHICH I THINK IS HUGE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING STORMWATER. AND I WANTED TO LET YOU ALL KNOW THAT THAT DID OPEN AGAIN. I GOT WORD ABOUT IT. 
          THEY ANNOUNCED IT YESTERDAY. AND THAT CAN PUT OPPORTUNITIES ON THE TABLE FOR YOU AS WELL. 
          WITH SOME OF THIS OTHER STORMWATER WORK THAT YOU'RE DOING BECAUSE OF THE DEVASTATION THAT YOU'VE EXPERIENCED OVER ALL OF THESE STORMS. FOCUSING ON THE EDA WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THEY HAVE THREE DIFFERENT PATHS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT. AND THE PATH THAT I'VE TARGETED THAT I THINK WORKS FOR NAPLES AND FOR SPECIFICALLY FIFTH AVENUE, WOULD BE WHAT'S CALLED THE IMPLEMENTATION PATH. THERE IS MONEY FOR CONSTRUCTION, AVAILABLE DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION UP TO $20 MILLION, WHICH FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, WHAT THE BUDGET'S LOOKING LIKE, I THINK THIS WOULD BE A PERFECT FIT FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT. 
          AND ULTIMATELY, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A HARD CAP, BUT ULTIMATELY THE 20 MILLION IS, IS KIND OF A BASED ON, BASED ON THE SITUATION, THE ELIGIBILITY FOR IT IS, IS YOU HAD TO HAVE BEEN IN A PRESIDENTIALLY DECLARED DISASTER, WHICH YOU WERE. AND FIFTH AVENUE, DEFINITELY. WE HAVE ALL OF THE PHOTOGRAPHIC AND ALL OF THE DOCUMENTATION TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THOSE CLAIMS. THE GOAL OF THAT IS, IS YOU CAN USE IT FOR CONSTRUCTION OR UPGRADING OF PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE, INCLUDING IMPROVEMENTS TO MAKE THE FACILITIES MORE RESILIENT TO NATURAL DISASTERS, INCLUDING WATER SYSTEMS AND FACILITIES LIKE DRINKING WATER, WASTEWATER TREATMENT, AND STORMWATER. AND THE REASON THAT I BRING THIS TO YOU IS, IS, IS I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO FIND FEDERAL MONEY IN ANY OTHER SITUATION OTHER THAN SOMETHING LIKE THIS FOR YOUR ECONOMIC DRIVER THAT HAS BEEN DEVASTATED BY FLOODING AND HAS A HUGE NEED REGARDING STORMWATER, YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH SOME OF THE OTHER FACTORS LIKE WATER, WASTEWATER, PUTTING THE STREET BACK, PUT STREETSCAPE BACK IN BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY YOU'LL HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE TO TEAR EVERYTHING OUT. I DON'T KNOW, A BETTER GRANT OPPORTUNITY THAT FITS THAT AREA THAN WHEN I HEARD HEARD OF THIS. AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY INVITED ME TO COME TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY IS IS BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS AN AMAZING OPPORTUNITY. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW IT IS A FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE. SO I WILL LET YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS NO IT'S ROLLING. SO WHEN THE MONEY RUNS OUT, THAT'S IT. I WILL ALSO LET YOU KNOW IT IS DOES REQUIRE A 20% MATCH. SO IT'S AN 80 OVER 20 GRANT. OKAY. WITH THE 20% MATCH. 
          SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE. IT DOES REQUIRE AN ENVIRONMENTAL. BUT THE GOOD NEWS IS, IS, IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE EVERYTHING DONE WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL BY THE TIME YOU SUBMIT THE APPLICATION. THEY JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL PERSPECTIVE, WHETHER IT'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT OR IF IT ENDS UP BEING A FINDING OF NO SIGNIFICANCE, YOU KNOW, SUBJECT TO, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN REMEDIATION AND OBVIOUSLY STORMWATER, YOU'RE GOING TO BE REMEDIATING. SO THE NICE THING IS, IS YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT DONE. LIKE YOU OFTEN HAVE TO HAVE DONE WITH FEMA. SO I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT. 
          AND THAT'S THE EDA. I DID WANT TO LET YOU KNOW BRICK FUNDING DID COME OUT YESTERDAY, AND THAT BRICK FUNDING WILL COVER ANYTHING RELATED TO THE RECOVERY THAT YOU NEED FROM STORMWATER WATER, WASTEWATER, UTILITIES, ANYTHING, ANY OF YOUR CRITICAL FACILITIES. AND 
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SO SOME OF THE ACTIVITIES THAT I'VE HEARD TODAY, I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT THIS IS ANOTHER GREAT OPPORTUNITY. IT WOULD BE SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, TO DIVE INTO. EDA, I KNOW IN AND OUT THIS ONE. I KNOW FOR SURE THAT THE CITY OF NAPLES, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR HOUSING MEDIAN INCOME IS, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR BUDGETS ARE. IT, IT'S IT'S SIMPLY IS THIS GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANT FOR YOUR ECONOMIC DRIVER, FOR THIS COMMUNITY REGARDING RESILIENCY, HARDENING AND BEING ABLE TO BRING BACK IN THE AND DEMONSTRATE THE IMPACT THAT IT HAD ON YOUR ECONOMICS. AND I KNEW 100% THAT THIS SOUNDED LIKE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A PHENOMENAL OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS. SO I JUST WANTED TO PRESENT THAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MA'AM. MAY I ASK A QUESTION? YEAH, SORRY. I DIDN'T WANT TO JUST LEAVE YOU ALL HANGING. NO, THIS IS GREAT. THANKS FOR BEING HERE. SURE. ON THE EDA. YOU KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY IS LEFT IN THAT POT? I. I DO NOT KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY IS LEFT. I DO KNOW THAT THERE. I HAVE BEEN SUPPORTING SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE UNITED STATES THAT HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY DISASTERS IN APPLYING FOR FUNDS. MOST OF THEM ARE NOT ASKING FOR THE CAP BECAUSE THEIR PROJECTS HAVEN'T EVEN GOTTEN STARTED. THEY HAVEN'T EVEN DESIGNED. SO A LOT OF ITS DESIGN FUNDING, BUT ULTIMATELY, I CAN'T SAY EXACTLY HOW MUCH OF THAT MONEY IS LEFT. I DO KNOW THAT THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN HAS RESULTED IN THIS BEING THE PRIME TIME WHEN EVERYBODY IS APPLYING. SO ALL THOSE APPLICATIONS ARE COMING. BUT THE FACT THAT BRICK HAS NOW OPENED WITH ANOTHER BILLION DOLLARS ON TOP OF IT, SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT FELT LIKE EDA WAS GOING TO BE THEIR ONLY OPTION WILL NOW NAVIGATE TOWARDS BRICK, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY BRICK FUNDING WAS SHUT DOWN SEVERAL MONTHS AGO. IT WAS TAKEN OFF THE TABLE. 
          IT'S NOW BACK. AND SO THERE'S $1 BILLION FOR DISASTERS FROM 2425 THAT A LOT OF THE MONEY THAT FOLKS WERE GOING AFTER FOR EDA, THEY'LL SHIFT AND GO TO BRICK BECAUSE BRICK MAKES MORE SENSE FOR THEM. THE DIFFICULTY FOR A LOT OF COMMUNITIES, AND I'LL JUST SHARE THIS WITH YOU, IS, IS THAT IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO DEMONSTRATE ECONOMIC IMPACT FROM A DISASTER. 
          OBVIOUSLY, WE KNOW THERE'S ECONOMIC IMPACT, BUT IT'S REALLY HOW DO YOU DEMONSTRATE ECONOMIC RESILIENCY IN BEING ABLE TO DISCUSS JOBS AND TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, THE RETAIL MARKET AND ALL OF THE THE ALL OF THAT IMPACT IN VERY FEW COMMUNITIES HAVE THAT AS, AS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WERE IMPACTED, A LOT OF WHAT WAS IMPACTED HAD TO DO WITH RESIDENTIAL, YOU KNOW, AND SO THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE CHALLENGES. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT I DO KNOW THAT THERE'LL BE A LOT SHIFTING, BECAUSE A LOT OF WHAT I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON ARE PROGRAMS THAT WERE FOR BRICK, AND THEY'VE SHIFTED TO THE EDA, THEY'LL SHIFT BACK TO THEY'LL SHIP BACK TO FOLLOW UP. YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'D BE IN LINE. LIKE IF A TO Z, ARE WE IN THE MIDDLE OF. I MEAN, HOW FAR DOWN THE LINE WOULD YOU BE? SO I NEVER MAKE GUARANTEES BECAUSE IN THE WORLD OF WRITING GRANTS, YOU DON'T MAKE GUARANTEES. I JUST I ALSO KNOW I DON'T LIKE TO LOSE. SO I LIKE, I LIKE, I'D LIKE TO WIN BECAUSE IT'S OUR TAXPAYER MONEY COMING BACK TO WORK FOR US. SURE. YOU KNOW, SO I, I HAVE THAT AS MY PHILOSOPHY. I WILL REALLY TELL YOU THAT I THINK THIS THE, I THINK THE PROJECT WILL SCORE HIGH. AND THE REASON I THINK IT WILL SCORE HIGH IS, IS BECAUSE IT'S FOR AN ECONOMIC. YOU'RE YOU, YOU NEED RECOVERY AND STORMWATER AND, AND RESILIENT UTILITIES TO BE PUT BACK INTO AN AREA THAT I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT YOU WOULDN'T BE NAPLES WITHOUT FIFTH AVENUE, BUT IT'D BE AWFUL HARD TO IDENTIFY NAPLES WITHOUT FIFTH AVENUE. YEP. AND SO I THINK THAT YOU HAVE SOMETHING THAT WITH SOME CONGRESSIONAL SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM, YOU KNOW, MR. SCOTT AND SOME OTHERS, I THINK YOU GUYS WILL DO VERY WELL. THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION, BECAUSE I DO THINK THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT EVERYBODY IN THE EDA WILL DEFINITELY WANT TO HANG THEIR HAT ON. AND FINALLY, DO YOU HAVE A TIMELINE FROM APPLICATION TO SUBMITTAL TO THUMBS UP OR THUMBS DOWN, HOW LONG DOES THAT TYPICALLY TAKE? SO USUALLY MY GOAL IS, IS I LIKE TO BE ABLE TO TRY TO GET THINGS SUBMITTED WITHIN 60 DAYS, EVEN THOUGH THERE IS NO DATE, IT'S TRADITIONALLY THAT'S USUALLY TAKES 60 DAYS TO PUT AN APPLICATION TOGETHER. I LIKE TO STICK TO THAT. EVEN THOUGH I DON'T HAVE AN END DATE. I WILL TELL YOU THAT I HAVE TOLD EVERYONE YOU BETTER PLAN ON NINE MONTHS BECAUSE IT'S THE GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW AND 
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THEY'RE KIND OF A LITTLE BIT HERE TODAY, GONE TOMORROW, BACK TODAY. SO I, I LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT I WILL, I WILL SAY THOUGH, THE EDA IS, HAS BEEN VERY CONSISTENT. THERE HAS NOT BEEN A LOT THAT HAS BEEN TOUCHED WHEN IT COMES TO THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ADMINISTRATION. AND THE FUNNY THING IS, MANY PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT THEY EXIST BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT NUMBER ONE IN THE NEWS EVERY DAY. YOU KNOW, IT'S EITHER THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY OR IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE EDA HAS STAYED STABLE, THE MONEY HAS STAYED STABLE. 
          THERE HAS NOT BEEN, YOU KNOW, MONEY THAT'S BEEN CLAWED BACK. IT HAS BEEN VERY CONSISTENT. SO IT COULD BE LESS THAN NINE MONTHS. BUT NINE MONTHS IS ALWAYS WHAT I TELL PEOPLE, BECAUSE IT TAKES THEM TIME TO KIND OF GET ORGANIZED. THE GOOD THING IS, IS THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE REMAINED FAIRLY CONSISTENT, I DO THINK YOU DON'T HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR FOR AN ANSWER. AND THEN FINALLY, WOULD YOU COME BACK TO US VIS A VIS MISS JENKINS OR CITY MANAGER WITH A GOOD WITH THE RIGHT TIME TO CONTACT THOSE. ELECT OUR SENATORS AND CONGRESSMEN? COULD WE GET ONE ONE OF THOSE PHONE CALLS? RIGHT. WE DON'T. RIGHT, RIGHT. WOULD YOU WOULD YOU LET US KNOW WHEN THE TIME WAS RIGHT TO DO THAT? YES. YES, DEFINITELY. THANK YOU. I HAVE MR. BLANKENSHIP. YEAH. THANK YOU. MY QUESTION WAS, IS THIS PURELY A AGENCY DETERMINATION OR DOES IT NEED ANY KIND OF STATE APPROVAL OR CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORIZATION? SO IT DOESN'T NEED CONGRESSIONAL AUTHORIZATION. BUT YOU ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE LETTERS OF SUPPORT, AND THEY WANT TO SEE THAT IT IS IN THE COMMUNITY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGY. 
          LIKE THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT YOU'RE WANTING TO HAVE AS PART OF YOUR ECONOMIC RECOVERY OR ECONOMIC DRIVERS, AND WITH YOU ALL HAVING THE CRA HAVING IT ON THE LIST OF OF ACTIVITIES. 
          GETTING LETTERS OF SUPPORT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE EDA ENCOURAGES. AND SO HAVING A LETTER OF SUPPORT THAT WOULD COME, WHETHER IT'S THE PHONE CALL, WHETHER IT'S A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM YOUR STATE OR YOUR FEDERAL CONGRESSIONAL SUPPORT IS, IS ALWAYS SOMETHING I DEFINITELY WOULD RECOMMEND, AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE EDA, BECAUSE IT HAS TO DO WITH ECONOMICS. AND THAT'S ALWAYS A HUGE FACTOR. SO THANKS. YEAH, THIS INFORMATION IS VERY HELPFUL. AND I WONDER IF THE CDC HAS INFORMATION ON THE TOURISM IMPACT FROM IAN AND OF LOST REVENUE IN NAPLES. I'VE SEEN I'VE SEEN, I'VE SEEN, I'VE SEEN SOME OF THAT. AND I, I HAVE A, I HAVE A GREAT TEAM THAT HELPS ME TO, TO GATHER ALL OF THAT BECAUSE IT'S THE FACTS. 
          IT'S THE STORY THAT NEEDS TO BE TOLD IS, IS, IS, IS, YOU KNOW, THE IMPACT THAT IT HAS. AND IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A RESOUNDING IMPACT. IT ISN'T JUST ON THE FOLKS THAT LIVE IN, IN NAPLES. IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN NAPLES. IT'S THE PEOPLE WHO, YOU KNOW, THEIR HOURS GOT CUT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THE TOURISM THAT WE NEEDED DURING THAT PERIOD IN TIME. SO THE STORY HAS TO REALLY HAS TO. IT'S LIKE THROWING THE PEBBLE IN THE WATER AND WATCHING THE RIPPLES. YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO CAPTURE ALL THE RIPPLES TO REALLY TELL THE STORY. YEAH, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A HUGE IMPACT, AND I'M SURE STAFF AND US CAN ALL HELP DOCUMENT THAT. 
          DEFINITELY. THANK YOU. SURE. YEAH. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AND SHE HAD COMMUNICATED FIRST. 
          THANK YOU, TAMMY. AND THANK YOU, ANITA, FOR YOUR PRELIMINARY WORK ON THIS AND GETTING ME INVOLVED IN IT, BUT THAT IT WOULD BE ABOUT 60 TO 90 DAYS FOR ENVIRONMENTAL. I'LL REMIND YOU THAT WE ALREADY HAD THE BID OUT TO DO THE FIRST OR THE FIFTH AVENUE DESIGN. AND SO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS ACTUALLY ENGAGING THEM ON A ON A PARTIAL NOTICE TO PROCEED SEEKING THE CONCEPTUAL, ASSISTING WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND MAKING THE APPLICATION ON THE GRANT THAT ENABLES US TO UTILIZE A PORTION OF THE 400, WHICH WAS GOING TO BE ONLY A FRACTION OF WHAT THE TOTAL COST OF THE DESIGN WOULD BE, BUT NOT OVEREXTEND UNTIL WE SEE WHERE THIS GRANT IS. SO IT DOESN'T TAKE IT OFF. IT PUTS IT A BACK ON THE TABLE AND ACTUALLY MORE TOWARD THE FOREFRONT OF TRYING TO SEE WHERE WE CAN GET IN THE GRANT, WHICH COULD MAKE IT ACTUALLY COME TO FRUITION MUCH SOONER THAN IF WE OR AS SOON AS IF WE STARTED, YOU KNOW, STARTED DESIGN, YOU KNOW, IN SEPTEMBER. SO, SO I THINK THAT BECAUSE WE KNOW FUNDING IS WHAT COULD HAVE BEEN THE DELAY IN THE BACK END. SO IT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO HELP ON BOTH FRONTS. SO I JUST WANTED TO OUTLINE THAT SCHEDULE AND KIND OF NEXT STEPS IF YOU AGREE THAT THAT WE WANTED TO PURSUE THAT. SO AS WE GO BACK TO THE SPREADSHEET AND WE SAY, WELL, I NEED TO LEAVE THE 400 THERE AND MOVE OUT THE OTHER, YOU UNDERSTAND CONCEPTUALLY WHAT I WHY I WOULD SAY THAT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? MR. IS THERE A LIMIT TO THE AMOUNT OF 
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THE GRANT? IS THERE FIRM LIMITS? SO THE THE CAP THAT THEY'VE SAID IS 20 MILLION. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. BUT AS I INDICATED, THEY ARE WILLING TO LOOK AT PROJECTS IF THEY NEED TO GO OVER THAT THAT LIMIT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I, I THINK THIS IS GOOD NEWS, GIVES US SOME HOPE AND BEING ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH MORE THAN ONE TASK. SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS IS AND MOVING FORWARD. AND. YEAH, I THINK ONCE WE GET FINISHED, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO GO BACK THROUGH BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE ONLY MOVEMENT WE HAVE TO MAKE IN OUR PRIORITIES. BUT IF WE DO THAT, THEN THE PROCESS WOULD BE ACTUALLY TO COME BACK WITH A A PARTIAL NP IN ORDER TO ENGAGE FOR THE APPLICATION TO THE GRANT, ASSISTING US WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND GETTING THIS MOVING FORWARD. SO THE ONLY THING WE MADE I WOULD ADVISE IS WE MAY ASK FOR A SEPARATE SPECIAL CRA MEETING AT THE END OF THE COUNCIL MEETING, BECAUSE I WILL WANT IT TO BE WHERE WE EXECUTE AND AUTHORIZE THE CONTRACT. AND RATHER THAN WAIT 90 MORE DAYS TO THEN 90 MORE DAYS, WE COULD, AS SOON AS WE CAN GET EVERYTHING DRAFTED, ASK FOR A505 MEETING OF THE CRA FOR A 4:00 WHENEVER COUNCIL ENDS. BUT YET YOU KNOW HOW THAT GOES. 
          SO THANK YOU. CHEERING MEMBERS. I DO HAVE A SOME AUDIENCE WANTS TO SPEAK. MEG IS MEG STILL HERE. 
          GOOD MORNING. I'M MEG STEPANIAN WITH THE FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT. 
          I WANT TO WELCOME THE NEW MEMBERS. AND MADAM CHAIR, IT'S YOUR YOUR POST. FIRST OF ALL, YOU STOLE MY THUNDER A LITTLE BIT, MR. MANAGER, BUT VERY GLAD TO BE HERE TODAY. YOU'VE GOT SOME VERY DIFFICULT DECISIONS TO MAKE. I HAVE TO SAY THAT AFTER TAMMY GOT UP. I NEVER THOUGHT A CRA MEETING COULD BE EXCITING. BUT I'M PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT WHAT SHE'S PROPOSING BECAUSE HERE AGAIN, PROMISES KEPT AND PROMISES MET. THE FIRST DISCUSSION ABOUT RENOVATING AND AND DOING STREETSCAPE AND HARDSCAPE CAME UP IN 2016. IT TOOK ANOTHER FOUR YEARS TO CODIFY A DESIGN. THEN THAT DESIGN WAS PUT OUT TO 2027. THEN THE BID WORKED WITH WITH YOU ALL TO BRING IT FORWARD A LITTLE BIT SO THAT WE COULD GET A DESIGN GOING, BECAUSE IF WE DIDN'T GET A DESIGN GOING, WE CERTAINLY WEREN'T GOING TO HAVE A PROJECT. 
          CERTAINLY THE STORMS HAVE IMPACTED THE PROCESS A BIT. EACH ONE OF THESE PRIORITIES THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HAS SIGNIFICANT IMPORTANCE TO OUR COMMUNITY. AGAIN, I MEAN, I DON'T ENVY YOU THESE DECISIONS BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY, VERY DIFFICULT. FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH, AS IT'S BEEN SAID, IS THE ECONOMIC ENGINE. AND TO WHAT PERCENTAGE? ABOUT 20% OF THE FUNDS DIRECTED TO THE CRA COME THROUGH THE PROPERTIES OWNED WITHIN THE BID, WHICH IS THE SIX BLOCKS WE CALL FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH. FLAT. SPEAKING A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF ECONOMICS, FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THE FED HAS COME TO TOWN AND TOLD US THAT THAT FLAT IS THE NEW POSITIVE. AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT FLAT IS NOT CUTTING THE MUSTARD FROM AN ECONOMIC STANDPOINT. CERTAINLY WE HAVE A RESILIENT COMMUNITY, WE HAVE RESILIENT BUSINESS OWNERS, BUT THEY ARE STRUGGLING TO KEEP PACE WITH WITH WHAT'S HAPPENING. ON BEHALF OF THE BID, WE WOULD ASK FOR YOUR SUPPORT EITHER THROUGH THIS GRANT OR TO KEEP THIS PRIORITY. BUT THERE HAS TO BE A BALANCE BECAUSE WE DO HAVE BLOCKS THAT ARE UNDERWATER DURING A RAINSTORM. WE DO HAVE BLOCKS THAT DURING THOSE RAINSTORMS, WE HAVE THE 304 HUNDRED BLOCK THAT DON'T HAVE POWER FOR SEVERAL DAYS BECAUSE FPL CAN'T FIGURE OUT WHAT'S WRONG DOWN THERE. THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS UNDERNEATH THE GROUND IS FROM 1978. SO IT HAS BEEN OUR GOLDEN GOOSE, BUT THERE HAVE NOT REALLY BEEN ANY SIGNIFICANT FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT INTO THE INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN THAT DISTRICT FOR QUITE SOME TIME. SO I WOULD THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN THIS MATTER. ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. THANK. LAUREN BATTLE. DID YOU WISH TO SPEAK TO THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE? HI AGAIN. LAUREN BATTLE 578 14. I JUST WANTED YOU TO KEEP IN MIND, FIRST OF ALL, THE GRANT. AMAZING. DOCTOR JORGE, YOUR PLAN, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR RIVER PARK EAST. I DON'T EVEN WANT TO GET MYSELF EXCITED ABOUT WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE, 
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NOT JUST FOR US, BUT AS AN EXAMPLE TO SO MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES IN THE COUNTRY. IT WOULD BE GROUNDBREAKING. IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD BE THE LEADER ON. AND I MEAN, IT JUST SOUNDS WONDERFUL. BUT I ALSO WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHICH PRIORITIES TO TO TAKE. THIS CRA HAS BEEN AROUND FOR OVER THREE DECADES, AND RIVER PARK EAST HAS RECEIVED MAYBE LESS THAN 1%, I'M GUESSING. BUT THAT COULD BE OVERESTIMATING. 
          SO WE'RE DUE SOME OF THESE FUNDS WELL OVERDUE. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. I LOVE FIFTH AVENUE. IT'S A GREAT PLACE. AND I LOVE, YOU KNOW, I'M ALL ABOUT A STREETSCAPE, BUT THESE PEOPLE ARE UNSAFE. THEY'RE IN TROUBLE DURING A STORM, AND WE NEED TO FIX THAT. 
          AND BECAUSE WE ARE SO BEHIND IN OUR FAIR SHARE OF CRA REVENUE THAT I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT YOU WILL HAVE MUCH OF A DISCUSSION AT ALL. BUT AGAIN, THANK YOU, BOTH OF YOU, FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I THOUGHT IT WAS EXCELLENT AND I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT, AND I WOULD BE THRILLED TO BE PART OF THAT GROUNDBREAKING NEW SYSTEM. THANKS. THANK YOU. AND LISETTE ZELAYA DID NOT. OKAY. WE'RE GOOD. ALL RIGHT, MEMBERS, WE HAVE ONE MORE. SHE IS COMING. I HAD A GIRL. HELLO. MY NAME IS LISETTE ZELAYA. I LIVE AT 1285 FIFTH AVENUE NORTH IN RIVER PARK EAST. AND I AM HERE SPEAKING AS A RESIDENT OF THE RIVER PARK EAST COMMUNITY. AND I'D LIKE TO CONGRATULATE YOU. AND THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR, VICE CHAIR AND ALL THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR BEING HERE TODAY AND TAKING THE TIME. I'M HERE TO JUST THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND TO FOR KEEPING RIVER PARK EAST AT THE FOREFRONT OF YOUR THOUGHTS. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A HUGE BALANCE THAT YOU NEED TO KEEP, AND WITHOUT THE ECONOMIC SUPPORT OR THE ECONOMIC POWER OF FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS AREA. PROBABLY IT WOULDN'T BE IN EXISTENCE. SO I DO RECOGNIZE THAT. AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A FAIR BALANCE THAT I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ASK YOU TO KEEP IN MIND, BECAUSE RIVER PARK EAST IS A WORKFORCE HOUSING COMMUNITY. WE HAVE A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS THAT DO LIVE AND WORK IN THE CITY OF NAPLES, AND WE APPRECIATE AND LOVE THE FACT THAT WE'RE RIGHT HERE, AND WE WOULD LOVE TO. 
          CONTINUE LIVING HERE. WE HAVE THE LEAST RESILIENCE IN IN THE CITY OF NAPLES, WITHIN THE CITY OF NAPLES, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE MOST TO LOSE THE FINANCIAL IMPACT TO OUR RESIDENTS IS. NOT. 
          RECOVERABLE. LIKE IF WE GET FLOODED AGAIN, THERE WON'T BE MUCH RECOVERY THAT WILL BE ABLE TO DO SO. WE ARE ASKING JUST AS AS LIKE A PLEA FOR SURVIVAL TO HELP THE STABILITY AND HELP OUR COMMUNITY RETAIN ITS INTEGRITY BY INVESTING THE THE FUNDS FOR EVERY DOLLAR SPENT THAT OR EVERY DOLLAR SPENT ON RESILIENCE IS A SAVINGS OF LIKE $7 OF RECOVERY. SO I'M JUST ASKING YOU TO PLEASE KEEP THAT IN THE FOREFRONT OF YOUR MINDS AND EVERY LITTLE BIT HELPS OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. LIZETTE, A QUESTION. YES. HOW MANY RESIDENCES ARE THERE IN RIVER PARK EAST? THERE ARE 74 HOMES. 74. WE HAVE THE APARTMENT COMPLEX AS WELL THAT ALSO HOUSES WORKING CLASS PEOPLE. JUST AN INTERESTING NUMBER TO HAVE. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU. DISCUSSION QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. 
          THAT REALLY. IS EVERYTHING WHERE WE ARE. I DO I THINK AT SOME POINT, I THINK I HAVE CONSENSUS TO BRING BACK, AND I JUST MAKE SURE FROM A PERSPECTIVE THAT REGARDLESS OF YOUR DECISIONS ON FIFTH, TO PURSUE THE GRANT, DO THE PARTIAL PNP AND TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, I GUESS IF I COULD GET THAT AS A SEPARATE ITEM AND THEN I'LL KNOW TO, TO BEGIN MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THEN BEYOND THAT, I THINK IT GOES BACK TO THE WORKSHEET AND REALLY HAVING A PRIORITY DISCUSSION. SO WE KNOW THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THOSE DECISIONS. SHOULD THAT BE THE CASE. SO. SO WE HAVE AN INTERESTING PROPOSITION BEFORE US, AND I WOULD ASSUME MAYBE WE NEED AN ANSWER FROM US AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO 
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PROCEED WITH MISS BAILEY'S, WHICH BASICALLY IS THE UTILIZATION OF 400,000 FOR ALL OR A PORTION THEREOF THAT IS DESIGNATED FOR THE FIFTH AVENUE DESIGN TO SEEK THE GRANT OPPORTUNITY, AS YOU KNOW, DESCRIBED HERE IN TODAY FOR THE EDA RESILIENCY. DO WE NEED A MOTION? I WOULD LIKE IT BECAUSE THAT SETS THE TABLE FOR WHAT I WANT TO DO. YEAH. WELL THEN I'LL MOVE THAT. WE DO USE A PORTION OR ALL OF THE $400,000 SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE GRANT PROPOSAL. BOTH THE EDA AND BRICK. YEAH. FOR BOTH EDA AND BRICK I SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? YEP. DISCUSSION OR BACK TO THE BACK TO DOCTOR GEORGE. THEN WE'RE GOING TO DO A ROLL CALL. SORRY. I'D LIKE TO REMEMBER. BARTON. YES. MEMBER BLANKENSHIP. YES. MAYOR HARTMAN. 
          YES. MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. MEMBER. YES. VICE CHAIR SCHULTZ. YES. SHERIFF. HENNEMAN. YES. SO THEN, MADAM CHAIR, IF WE COULD ACTUALLY TAKE A BREAK AND THEN COME BACK AND DISCUSS THE REST OF THE PRIORITIES AND GO THROUGH THE WORK, THE WORK PAPER THAT I HAVE OR WORK SCREEN THAT I HAVE UP ON AND JUST TALK ABOUT THOSE ITEMS. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO GET THE PRIORITIZATION OF BUDGET. BEFORE WE GO TO THE ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT AND CONCLUDE THIS ITEM, MEANING CONCLUDE THIS ITEM BEFORE WE GO TO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. 1046 WE'RE BACK IN SESSION. AND HOW DO WE WANT TO PROCEED? CITY MANAGER WITH, YOU KNOW, I GUESS A LOT OF THINGS ON OUR PLATE HERE. YEAH. I AGAIN, I CAN WALK THROUGH A SIMULATION HERE, BUT IT REALLY IS IDENTIFYING THE, THE TWO, 3 OR 4 PRIORITIES AND THEN PUT THAT INTO. THIS AND THEN SAY, WHAT ELSE CAN YOU KEEP AFLOAT? WHAT ELSE MUST YOU ABANDON, AT LEAST IN THE SHORT RUN? AND WHY WOULD WE DO IT THAT WAY? AND IF YOU IF YOU WANT ME TO HELP GUIDE, I CAN. BUT I REALLY NEED TO KNOW. IS IT? WHAT I OUTLINED IS, IS THE THREE PRIORITIES THE WAY, BASED ON MY INTERPRETATION OF OF THE RHETORIC OVER TIME AND WALKING INTO THE ROOM IS, IS THAT THE FIRST 10TH AND 12TH HAS BEEN A PRIORITY. IT IS BUDGETED, IT HAS BEEN BUDGETED FOR, IT'S BEEN IN DESIGN, IT'S AT 60%. AND CARRYING THAT TO FRUITION WITH THE TWO ALLOCATED BUDGETS. AND THIS YEAR AND NEXT IS APPROPRIATE, THEN THAT SETS THE BIGGEST NUMBERS FOR THIS BUDGET AND THE BEGINNING OF NEXT. AND SO IF THAT'S PRIORITY STILL, PRIORITY NUMBER ONE IS THAT FOLLOW THROUGH, GIVEN THE STATE AND HOW MUCH YOU'VE ALREADY HAD INVESTED IN IT, THAT'S A GOOD THING TO AFFIRM. THE SECOND THING IS IF IF MY INTERPRETATION IS, IS THAT AND WHETHER YOU SAY ONE'S MORE THAN THE OTHER OR VICE VERSA, BUT THAT RIVER PARK AND FIFTH AVE ARE THE NEXT TWO PRIORITIES. THEN I WOULD SAY THAT YOU'VE ALREADY GIVEN US CONSENSUS TO CONTINUE DOWN THE PATH OF ON THE NPP WITH TRYING TO OBTAIN A GRANT. AND SO I WOULD IMMEDIATELY SAY THOUGH, THAT GIVEN THE NINE MONTH UNDER RECIPROCATION ON WHETHER OR NOT THE GRANT WOULD BE ACCEPTED OR COME THROUGH, THAT PUTS THE 400,000 IN PLAY FOR THIS YEAR. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT YOU'RE NOT CONSTRUCTING FIFTH, NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS UNDER THAT SCENARIO NEXT YEAR. SO THAT 5 MILLION, WHETHER IT COMES BACK IN AND OUT YEAR IS NONEXISTENT THERE. IN THE MEANTIME, THOUGH, IF WE DO GET THE BANDWIDTH TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THE GRANT AND THE OTHER, I THINK YOU SHOULD HAVE AN ALLOCATION NEXT YEAR FOR IT. IF THE BALANCE OF THE DESIGN WOULD COME TO FRUITION. 
          SO WHILE IT REMOVES THE 5 MILLION, IT KEEPS IT IN PLAY. PUT THE ADDITIONAL THE MILLION THERE. YEAH. AND THESE ARE JUST RECOMMENDATIONS. PLEASE SOMEONE STOP. I JUST WANT TO TALK THROUGH. PLEASE. WOULD THESE WOULD WE HAVE TO SEE A BULK ITEM OR CAN WE DO THEM ONE AT A TIME? SURE. SO LET ME JUST SAY THIS. DO WE AGREE THAT THAT THE CONTINUING FIRST 10TH AND 12TH IS IS A PRIORITY FOR THIS COUNCIL? YES. WELL, I'M CONSENSUS CONSENSUS OR VOTE CONSENSUS OR IT'S CONSENSUS. I DON'T THINK WE NEED A VOTE FOR US TO DO A WORKSHEET. I'M JUST 
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TRYING TO I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M NOT INTERPRETING. SO I AGREE. THANK YOU. YES, YES, THE PROJECT'S FAR ENOUGH ALONG. WE WE NEED TO BE A PART OF THE COUNCIL OR CRA THAT COMPLETES PROJECTS AND THAT THINGS THAT TOOTHPASTE IS OUT OF TUBE ON THAT ONE. WE NEED TO CONTINUE AND FINISH FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT MR. CARL. YEAH, YOU HAVE A LOT INVESTED IN IT. ALL RIGHT. 
          SO I WOULD LOGICALLY MAY MAKE SENSE TO GO THROUGH IT, BUT I THINK RIVER PARK'S GOT TO BE A TOP PRIORITY FOR THIS YEAR. SO WE HAVE TO IF WE HAVE TO GO BACK TO THAT AND CUT SOME OF THAT BACK AND PROLONG IT AND ELONGATE THAT TIME FRAME, THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE DONE. WHAT I CAN SAY WITH DEFINITIVELY IS FOR RIVER PARK EAST IS NOT GOING TO IMPACT YOUR ABILITY TO PAY FOR THAT, BECAUSE THIS ONE IS GOING TO BE DESIGNED AND READY FOR CONSTRUCTION BEFORE THE DESIGN AND RIVER PARK WILL BE COMPLETE. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. YOU'RE GOOD. MR. BLANKENSHIP. YES, AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT SUNK COST THAT WE'VE GOT IN THAT IT'S GOOD STUFF. IT'S NOT SOME SUNK COST FALLACY THAT WE'RE CAUGHT UP IN LIKE THIS HAS TO GET DONE ANYWAY. YEAH. AND, AND THE MONEY'S THERE ALREADY. SO IT JUST IS COMMON SENSE TO GO AHEAD AND DO IT. CAN I ADD TO THAT, REMINDING YOU WHAT THOSE COSTS GOOD THINGS ARE. IT INCLUDES THE STORMWATER. THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          IT IS, IT IS, IT IS ALL GOOD. THE WHOLE ENCHILADA IS GOOD. YEAH. MR. SCHULTZ, IF YOU CAN HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT TOO, IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA. SO WE JUST GOT TO KEEP OUR WORD TO SOME FOLKS. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THEN THE NEXT ITEM IS, IS RIVER PARK EAST. AND THE ORIGINAL OBLIGATION IN A SENSE IS WHAT YOU HAVE APPROPRIATED THIS YEAR IS THE IMPLEMENTATION PLAN IN THE BASIN ASSESSMENT COMBINED TOTAL OF 760 OUT OF THE C, R, A AND THE WATER SEWER FUND IS AN ESTIMATED 578 OR TO. TO GO TO THE FULL SCALE DEMONSTRATION IN RIVER PARK AND BEGIN. SOME OF THE CURRENT BUDGET FROM FIRST AND 10TH. BECAUSE IT'S NOT NEEDED FOR CONSTRUCTION THIS YEAR AND TO INCREASE THE BUDGET TO $2 MILLION FOR THE RIVER PARK EAST DESIGN AND TO BEGIN THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS TO ENGAGE THE FULL SCALE DESIGN ON RIVER PARK. WELL, IF I MAY, AND WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY, JUST HOW MY BRAIN WORKS ON THE SPREADSHEET TO INCREASE THE BANDWIDTH, I'D LIKE TO FIRST SAY THAT WE'RE GOING TO WE NEED TO REMOVE THE 2 MILLION A YEAR FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BECAUSE THAT. AND BECAUSE YOU JUST MENTIONED THE 2 MILLION FOR THAT. IF I CAN SEE THE 2 MILLION AS A NET GAIN FIRST, IT MAKES IT WAY EASIER TO SAY, YEAH, LET'S SPEND 2 MILLION ON THAT. OKAY, SO I'D LIKE TO REMOVE IF I WOULD, IF WE CAN GET CONSENSUS BECAUSE IT'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD REALLY HAS CHANGED THEIR TUNE SINCE I RAN FOR OFFICE. WORKFORCE HOUSING IS NOT A PRIORITY. WELL, I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT. IT ISN'T THE PRIORITY. WE'VE GOT TO GET THE INFRASTRUCTURE DONE. AND SO I WOULD SAY WE HAVE TO. YOU CAN'T DO BOTH. SO WE'RE GOING TO REMOVE THE $2 MILLION. ARE YOU PUTTING THAT IN THE FORM OF A NEED TO BE A MOTION OR IT'S JUST A I WANT I MEAN, I DO, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO TAKE A MOTION ON EVERY SUGGESTION ON BUDGET. I JUST NEED TO KNOW THAT WE'VE YOU'VE DISCUSSED IT AND WE HAVE CONSENSUS. SO WITH THE CHAIR COULD SAY, DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS? AND, YOU KNOW, AFTER YOU'VE HAD YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS. I THINK THAT'S ENOUGH FOR US TO MAKE THE BUDGETARY. 
          SO I'M LOOKING WE'RE LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS HERE. NODS OF HEADS WILL DO. I THINK ANYBODY. 
          OKAY, SO NOW THAT WAS THAT OKAY. I'M SORRY. YEAH. BUT YEAH, I WANT TO CLARIFY. I'M SORRY. I WANT TO CLARIFY. KRAMER BROUGHT UP THAT WE HAVE TO TAKE THE $2 MILLION OUT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO DO THIS PROJECT. IS THAT I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS THE. WELL, AGAIN, I'LL GO BACK TO. THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T I DIDN'T WANT TO SKIP AROUND FROM. BECAUSE IF YOU IDENTIFY YOUR YOUR THREE PRIORITIES, THEN THE NEXT QUESTION IS, HOW DO I GET YOU THERE WITHOUT ISSUING DEBT AND IMPACTING THE CITY'S DEBT CAPACITY? OBVIOUSLY, THAT'S THE. THAT WOULD BE A FOURTH PRIORITY AT THIS POINT. SO I'M JUST SAYING LET'S LET'S END IT NOW. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING? MR. WELL, I'M SAYING, WHAT CAN SOMEONE. YEAH, IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU'RE WILLING TO TAKE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OFF THE TABLE IN THE IMMEDIATE IN THE IN THE OUT YEARS UNTIL RIVER PARK IS COMPLETED WITH THE FULL SCALE DEMONSTRATION, THEN TELL ME THAT AND I WILL REMOVE THAT AND KNOW THAT THAT'S A PRIORITY. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. THE GOVERNMENT GETS INVOLVED IN HOUSING. IT'S TROUBLE. OKAY, LET'S LET'S TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE ON THAT, PLEASE. DO YOU NEED A FORMAL MOTION FOR ROLL CALL FIVE YEARS? THAT'S RIGHT. NOT IT'S NOT IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. IT'S IN THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. SO YOU'RE CORRECT. IT'S NOT YOU'RE NOT MOVING ANY MONEY AT THIS POINT. BUT AGAIN, FOR 
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THE RECORD, TO HAVE A DEFINITIVELY THAT THIS CRA HAS MADE A DECISION THAT THE. IT WOULD BE NICE IF IT'S NOT PUTTING IT ON THE RECORD AND MAKING EVERYBODY ACCOUNTABLE FOR THAT. AND I HAVE A CLEAR INSTEAD OF A. YEAH, I THINK I HAVE CONSENSUS THAT IS ALWAYS BENEFICIAL BECAUSE I. WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT PROPOSING AND BRINGING BACK TO YOU TO SPEND TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS AND HAVING THAT IS, IS, IS IDEAL. SO THE MOTION WOULD BE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CIP 26 C AND. REMOVE THE YEAR 2627. AFFORDABLE HOUSING OF 2 MILLION. YEAH. SO FINALLY, MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE THE RIVER PARK. FULL SCALE DEMONSTRATION STORMWATER PROJECT. AND THAT IN AND OF ITSELF HANDLES THAT PART AND REMOVE. AND FOR DURING THIS SAME TIME OF THIS FIVE YEAR PERIOD, REMOVE ANY REFERENCE OR ANY PREVIOUSLY ALLOCATED AMOUNT TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING LINE ITEM. THAT'S IT FOR THIS SAME FIVE YEAR PERIOD. THAT'S ALL WE'LL BE DOING. GO FOR IT. KRAMER. I WANT TO SAY LIKE HE'S OKAY. THEN I, I MOVE THAT WE COMMIT TO THE FULL IMPLEMENTATION OF THE OUTFALL PROJECT IN RIVER PARK EAST FOR FULL SCALE DEMONSTRATION PROJECT IN RIVER PARK EAST. DO WE COMMIT TO THE FULL SCALE DEMONSTRATION PROJECT IN RIVER PARK EAST AND REMOVE THE AFFORDABLE $2 MILLION A YEAR FOR FOR AFFORDABLE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE NEXT FOUR BUDGETED YEARS? SECOND. OKAY. QUICK DISCUSSION. ROLL CALL. THIS DISCUSSION JUST FOR CLARITY, BECAUSE I IN MY HEAD, IT'S A IT'S A SIMULTANEOUS MOVE. AND THAT IS TO SAY THAT WE ARE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH APPLYING FOR THE GRANT FOR FIFTH AVE. THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S WE'RE TRYING TO HANDLE THESE ONE AT A TIME. IS THAT IS THAT THE GOAL HERE? OKAY. AND SO AND AGAIN, IF SOMETHING COMES BACK SAYS WE'RE GOING TO GET TO ALL OF THEM. THIS IS A THIS IS A GOOD STEP FORWARD. THAT'S WHY I NEEDED. I'M READY. I'M READY FOR ROLL CALL NOW. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. MEMBER. BARTON. SORRY. YES. SORRY. I'M SORRY, MR. BLANKENSHIP. THAT'S OKAY. A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE, I'M BUYING WITH THE RIVER PARK EAST MOVING FORWARD IN CONCEPT. I JUST HAD SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S INCLUDED AND WHAT'S NOT INCLUDED, WHICH WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO YET. SURE. SO AS LONG AS WE HAVE ABILITY TO ASK QUESTIONS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT'S IN AND WHAT'S NOT, THAT WOULD BE FINE WITH ME. AND ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ELEMENT, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, WE'RE NOT SAYING AFFORDABLE HOUSING ISN'T IMPORTANT. I THINK WE'RE SAYING THE EMPHASIS. FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, THE EMPHASIS IS ON PROTECTING WHAT WE HAVE AND NOT SPENDING MONEY ON BUYING NEW LAND FOR NEW AFFORDABLE HOUSING AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THAT WE MAY REVISIT THAT IN THE FUTURE. BUT THAT'S WHAT THE 2 MILLION WAS FOR, I THINK, WAS FOR BUYING NEW STUFF. AND I THINK THE DISCUSSION HAS BEEN, THAT'S NOT ENOUGH MONEY. WE CAN'T MAKE A MEANINGFUL DIFFERENCE. WE NEED TO FOCUS ON OTHER THINGS RIGHT NOW INSTEAD. AND TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS WITHIN THE CRA. WE HAVE OUR CRA HEADS ON RIGHT NOW. YES. SO THAT COUNCIL CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO. BUT WITHIN THE CRA THAT WOULD BE THE CASE. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT WE'RE NOT SAYING HOUSING ISN'T IMPORTANT. 
          AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS. IT'S JUST HAS TO BE TACKLED IN A DIFFERENT. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. 
          AND OF COURSE, IT'S IMPORTANT TO FOR THE FIVE YEAR PERIOD BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AFTER THAT. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST COMMITTING SO MANY RESOURCES THAT WE RECOGNIZE THERE'S A LIMITATION, THE NOTION THAT YOU BUILD AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN AN AREA THAT YOU CAN'T MOVE THE STORMWATER, THAT'S SILLY. SO LET'S MOVE FORWARD. NEVER GO TO THE GROCERY STORE WITHOUT A LIST. OKAY, SO, SO THEN LET ME MAKE JUST ONE MORE RECOMMENDATION BEFORE WE GET TO FIFTH AVENUE. MR. YOUNG, WE HAVE WE HAD A MOTION AND WE WERE LOOKING FOR A ROLL CALL. 
          YEAH, SORRY. I WAS TRYING TO GET US OUT OF HERE. MEMBER MARTIN. YES. MEMBER BLANKENSHIP. 
          YES. MAYOR HARTMAN. YES. MEMBER KRAMER. YES. MEMBER. CROWE. YES. VICE CHAIR. SCHULTZ. YES. CHAIR. 
          YES. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. SO THE NEXT ONE JUST THIS IS A REGARDLESS OF WHAT WE DO IN THE OUT YEARS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE THIS MOVE THE NAPLES DESIGN DISTRICT. AT THE MOMENT, WE DON'T HAVE ANY DEFINITIVE PROJECT THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET UNDERWAY. AND MOST OF THAT IS TIED TO FIRST, 10TH AND 12TH AS YOU WOULDN'T START THE FIRST ONE AT ALL UNTIL YOU WERE DOING FIRST, 10TH AND 12TH, AND THAT'S BEING MOVED TO NEXT YEAR ANYWAY. SO FROM A RECOGNITION 
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STANDPOINT, IT WOULD BE MY ADVICE TO RECOGNIZE THAT THE 3 MILLION ISN'T GOING TO BE SPENT IN IN THAT ITEM THIS YEAR. NOW, I HAD PUT A PLACEHOLDER TO STILL KEEP IT ON THE RADAR. NOW YOU CAN MOVE. JUST SAY, WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SPEND IT. PUT THE 3 MILLION THERE AND DECIDE ON THAT, THAT PARTICULAR ITEM LATER, WHICH IS FINE WITH ME. I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO SAY THE WHOLE 3 MILLION UNLESS YOU WANTED ME TO. SO IF YOU WANT ME TO JUST SLIDE IT INTO THAT SIDE SO YOU KNOW THE CONTINUED RAMIFICATIONS, OR DO WE WANT TO ADJUST THAT IN ANY WAY, GIVEN THAT WE KNOW FIRST, 10TH AND 12TH IS ONLY GOING TO BEGIN CONSTRUCTION NEXT YEAR, THE PROBABILITY OF IT BEING ALL OF THAT IN THAT SAME YEAR, WE JUST DON'T KNOW THAT YET. SO I GUESS I'LL LEAVE THAT AS FROM MY STANDPOINT, I CAN JUST SLIDE IT OVER AND MAKE IT AS 3 MILLION IN THE NEXT YEAR. SO YOU REALIZE IT'S GOING TO BE REAPPROPRIATED WHAT THAT DOES TO YOU SO FAR IS IT DOESN'T IT GETS YOU NOW TO THE POINT WHERE YOU STILL ARE NOT IN ANY AS OF RIGHT NOW, IN 26, 27 AND 20, YOU STILL WILL NOT HAVE HAD ANY NEED FOR ANY FINANCING THROUGH 2627 AS THE REST OF THE DECISIONS ARE BAKED OUT. SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF POINT THAT OUT SO YOU SEE HOW IT IS. GO AHEAD. ANY QUESTION? YEAH, JUST A REMINDER. YOU JUST AUTHORIZED 95,000 FROM THAT FUND TO DEMO THE. YEAH. SO I DIDN'T REALIZE JUST A LITTLE BIT WAS THAT DESIGN DISTRICT FUND. SO NOT MOVING THE FULL 3 MILLION, BUT A PORTION THEREOF. 
          WELL. OKAY, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT. NO, I JUST WANTED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO VOTE BECAUSE IT'S NOT WE HAVE NO PROJECTS THAT'S GOING TO ENCUMBER THE FUNDS, OKAY? IT'S GOING TO REVERT BACK AND WE'RE GOING TO ADD IT TO NEXT YEAR'S LINE ITEM. CORRECT. OKAY. AT LEAST UNTIL YOU TELL ME OTHERWISE. YEAH. WE NEED TO HAVE THAT AS A PLEASE GO AHEAD. IS THAT THE DESIGN WALK OR SOMETHING ELSE? NO. WELL, YEAH, THAT GOES BACK TO A FULL. SO YOU HAVING A FULL UPDATE AS TO WHAT THAT ENTAILS. BUT AT THE MOMENT GO AHEAD. SO YES, IT DID INCLUDE THE DESIGN WALK, THE FUNDING OF THE 3 MILLION, ALONG WITH OTHER PROJECTS THAT WERE COMING FORWARD TO SUPPORT THE DESIGN DISTRICT MASTER PLAN THAT WAS ACCEPTED BY THE CRA IN 2022. SO YOU HAVE BUILT SOME SOME PARKING IN THE DESIGN WALK AREA AROUND THIRD AVENUE NORTH AND USING THAT FOR THE DESIGN WALK PROJECT AS WELL. SO THAT'S WHAT THAT FUND IS FOR. SO MY QUESTION IS, IF I MAY, I THOUGHT THAT THAT NONE OF IT'S ENCUMBERED RIGHT NOW THOUGH, RIGHT. NO IT'S NOT FIRST WE'RE NOT SPENDING THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          BUT AM I RIGHT? YOU'RE RIGHT. THE THREE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE 95,000 THAT YOU JUST. YEAH. 
          JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. THERE'S NOTHING THAT'S NO DESIGN PROJECTS THAT THIS IS ALREADY EARMARKED FOR SPECIFICALLY. NO. OKAY. THANKS. AND, MR. YOUNG, YOU'RE SAYING WE WOULDN'T SPEND THAT MONEY UNTIL THE FIRST AVENUE SOUTH WORK IS DONE? WELL, IT COULD BE IN CONNECTION. 
          REMEMBER WHEN WE WENT OUT TO BID? WE. WE INCLUDED BRICKS AND OTHER ELEMENTS OF IT THAT WOULD WOULD TIE INTO THAT FIRST AVENUE SOUTH. IT WOULD HAVE COMPONENTS THAT WE PAID FOR OUT OF THE C, R, A AS YOU WENT DOWN THE, WHAT DO THEY CALL IT, THE DESIGN WALK? YES. OKAY. AND IT'S ALIGNING COUNCIL MEMBER WITH THE FIRST AVENUE SOUTH BECAUSE WHEN WE CONSTRUCT FIRST AVENUE SOUTH, WE NEED TO RUN A WATER UTILITY LINE THROUGH THE WESTERN ALLEYWAY OF THAT PROJECT. OKAY. SO THAT'S WHY IT WAS I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR. WE PROBABLY NEED MORE DISCUSSION. 
          MAYBE WHEN THE CIP COMES FORWARD, WE CAN GET A BETTER UNDERSTANDING. AND. YEAH, AND THE GOOD PART ABOUT THIS IS, IS THAT WHAT I'M TRYING TO DEMONSTRATE TO YOU IS YOU STILL HAVE DECISIONS IN THE OUT YEARS THAT WILL DETERMINE IF YOU EVER NEED TO ISSUE ANY KIND OF DEBT OR ANYTHING ELSE, AND THE SPEED AND VERACITY OF THOSE PROJECTS, AS YOU HEAR ME SAY ALL THE TIME, WILL DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S NEEDED. AND FOR EXAMPLE, THE DESIGN WALK IN THAT AREA IS DESIGNED TO BE DONE IN PHASES. AND I'M JUST GOING TO JUST DO ONE MORE THING. BUT IF YOU SAY, WELL, IF I'M GOING TO SPEND 3 MILLION IN THE DESIGN WALK AND I'M DOING RIVER PARK AND WE WANT TO KEEP SOMETHING IN CASE ON FIFTH, AND YOU JUST SAY, I'M DOING ZERO AFTER THE INITIAL EXPENSE, WHETHER IT HAPPENS IN 26, 27 OR ALONG WITH IT. AND THEN WE'LL RESUME AND DECIDE WHAT THE NEXT PHASE OF THE DESIGN WALK IS GOING TO BE. YOU'VE NOW GOTTEN IT DOWN TO THE POINT WHERE YOU'RE THROUGH 27, 28, YOU'RE STILL IN A POSITIVE 5 MILLION, AND YOU 
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HAVEN'T. SO THAT IS ALL MASSAGED AS YOU GO THROUGH. AND AS LONG AS YOU KEEP THAT COMMITMENT TO DOING SOMETHING WITH IT, YOU GET YOUR BANG FOR YOUR BUCK AND INITIATING THE DESIGN WALK ALONG WITH FIRST, 10TH AND 12TH. SO JUST A WAY TO THINK ABOUT IT. SO AND THEN SO AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL TEN OF YOU HAVE TO ADOPT THEM. IT'S JUST A WORK. BUT THIS IS ACTUALLY IT'S GOOD IF WE'VE IDENTIFIED THAT WE DO AGREE, KEEPING THE MILLION IN FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE DESIGN ON FIFTH FOR NEXT YEAR. AND THEN WE CAN EVALUATE THE PROGRESS OF THE GRANT APPLICATION. KEEPING THE PLACEHOLDER ON THERE, I THINK THAT IS. AND THEN WE REALLY HAVEN'T MADE ANY OTHER ADJUSTMENTS TO THE REMAINDER OF THE BUDGET. SO I THINK THOSE ARE ALL POSITIVE STEPS. WE KNOW WE DON'T HAVE DEBT IN OUR IMMEDIATE FUTURE. AND WE HAVE A LOT, YOU KNOW, STILL WORK AHEAD OF US. ON. I'D LIKE TO KEEP THE NEEDED WORK ON FIFTH AVENUE IN THE PICTURE, NOT ONLY FROM THE POSSIBLE GRANT STANDPOINT, BUT THERE'S TWO OTHER POSSIBLE SOURCES OF AT LEAST TWO OTHERS. I'M SURE THERE'S OTHERS. ONE IS IF THE COUNTY PROCEEDS WITH THE POTENTIAL $0.01 SALES TAX THAT WE COULD GET A PIECE OF, THAT'S A POTENTIAL SOURCE IF WE WANTED TO. IF IT IF IT'S VOTED THROUGH AND WE WANT TO USE IT FOR THAT, THAT'S A POSSIBILITY AS WELL AS THESE GRANTS. AND ALSO THERE CONTINUES TO BE DISCUSSION ABOUT THE AIRPORT LEASE AND OPERATIONS, WHICH IS REQUIRING ANOTHER DAY'S WORTH OF DISCUSSION. BUT JUST JUST THE IDEA THAT THERE ARE IF IT'S A IF IT'S A PRIORITY. I'D LIKE TO KEEP IT ON THE LIST AS A PRIORITY. WITH THE COMMITMENT, WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO FIND A WAY TO FUND IT. IF WE CAN'T, THEN WE CAN TAKE IT OFF THE LIST AT A FUTURE DATE. WHAT WE'LL DO AS A PLACEHOLDER IS RECOGNIZING ITS IMPORTANCE. BECAUSE AGAIN, IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THE YEAR IN WHICH YOU'RE BUDGETING IT. IF WE AGREE THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE APPLICATION AT THE 400, IT'S GOING TO TAKE 6 TO 9 MONTHS TO GET THE ANSWER ON THAT. CONTINUE WITH THE DESIGN ONCE WE KNOW EITHER WAY. AND AGAIN, I THINK IT'S OPTIMISTIC TO THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET A FULL STORMWATER WATER DESIGN. BUT I WOULD PROBABLY ARGUE THAT AND I'LL LET DOCTOR JORGE BE THE EXPERT ON THAT. DO YOU THINK THE DESIGN TIME, LEAD TIME ON THE DESIGN IS 12 MONTHS? 1824 WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IS THE DESIGN LEAD TIME? 18 WOULD BE AGGRESSIVE AND 24 WOULD BE CONSERVATIVE AND REASONABLE. OKAY, SO SO I THINK AT THAT POINT IT KEEPS IT ON THERE. MR. BLANKENSHIP BUT IT IS REALISTIC IN THE TIME FRAME. YEAH. IF MY COLLEAGUES AGREE WITH THAT APPROACH, THAT'S A GOOD CALL. JUST TO COMMENT IF I CAN. YES, YES, I AGREE. BUT WE HAVE TO BE EVER SO CAREFUL THAT WE ARE NOT REDOING FIFTH AVENUE LANDSCAPING AND THEN GOING AND PUTTING IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. THE CITY HAS DONE THINGS LIKE THAT, AND WE WANT TO BE EVER SO MINDFUL THAT THAT NOT BE A CONTINUED PRACTICE. THAT'S A VERY, VERY GOOD POINT. IS THERE ANY WAY WE CAN ADD A LITTLE HALF TO THAT? MAYBE MAKE A MOTION ON THAT? I'D LOVE TO. I THINK IT'S COMING BACK. I'M SORRY. I THINK IT'S COMING BACK. 
          I JUST WANTED THE RECORD TO BE STATED. AND WHEN IT COMES BACK, WE CAN HAVE THOSE DETAILS. OKAY, SO I'VE MADE THAT ADJUSTMENT. SO SO WITH THAT AND NOT TOUCHING ANYTHING ELSE. AND THEN I'M GOING TO HAVE AN ASK HERE IN A MINUTE, SINCE I MIGHT AS WELL TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS OPPORTUNITY. I THINK THAT PUTS US IN A GOOD POSITION TO SHOW WHAT THE BUDGET IS. WE KNOW WE HAVE OUTS ON FIFTH AVENUE WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO HAVE TO DEVELOP SOME OUTS ON THAT TO GIVE US SOME ASSISTANCE. IT PUTS YOU AND IF YOU REMEMBER, ON THE ONE SIDE PROJECTS YOU SAID YOU SAID GARY WOULD UPDATE, IT WOULD BE THAT WE IF WE HAD TO ISSUE DEBT, IT WOULDN'T BE ANY MORE THAN 15 MILLION. WE'RE IN THE BALLPARK. IT'S STILL THREE YEARS OUT AND THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PIECES HERE. SO LET'S I THINK IT'S A GOOD PLAN. I DO HAVE ONE ASK AND I'M GOING TO ASK FOR YOUR INDULGENCE FOR A MOMENT. AS YOU KNOW, WHEN WE STARTED THE SECURITY DISCUSSION AND CAMBIER PARK LAST YEAR AT THE CRA, WE HAD A BUDGET REQUEST IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FOR $850,000 TO DO BOLLARDS. IT WAS REMOVED FROM THERE AS THE CRA REQUESTS, AND THE ONLY THING I WANT TO DO IS REVISIT IT IN THIS WAY. WE'VE AGREED. NOW WE'RE GOING TO DO CAMBIER PARK. 
          I'M NOT TRYING TO LAY OFF THE ENTIRE OBLIGATION, BUT WHAT WE DO HAVE IN THIS BUDGET IS A RECOGNITION THAT PARKS CAN HAVE, AND THE CRA ASSISTS IN PARKS FROM TIME TO TIME. I WOULD LIKE 
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TO CONSOLIDATE THE 27, 28, 28, 29, $250,000 FOR THOSE TWO YEARS, MOVE THEM INTO THE CURRENT YEAR, MEANING AS WE REDIRECT AND MOVED OTHER THINGS FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE. GENERAL FUND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND, PAYING FOR ABOUT HALF OF THE BOLLARDS IN THE CRA, PAYING FOR THE OTHER HALF. I THINK IT'S A WAY TO NOT HAVE THAT ENTIRE BURDEN IT KEEPS WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE ORIGINAL REQUEST, AND IT'S BOTH THE CITY AND THE CRA SHARING THAT OBLIGATION AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DEVELOPING THAT PARK WITH THAT WAY. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER ME NOW, BUT IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT I WOULD IT WOULD IT REALLY WOULD BE APPRECIATIVE THAT WE CONSIDER THAT WHEN WE COME BACK FOR THE CONTRACT ON THAT, IS IT MOVING INTO THE CURRENT BUDGET YEAR OR THE YEAR THAT STARTS OCTOBER? YEAH. WELL, WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING TO START THE ENGINEERING IMMEDIATELY. CONSTRUCTION WILL PROBABLY BE THE NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET. SO IT WOULD ACTUALLY IT COULD MOVE EITHER WAY DEPENDING ON IF I CAN GET IT TO YOU BY SEPTEMBER, IF I CAN GET IT TO YOU BY SEPTEMBER, I WANT TO BE IN THE BANDWIDTH TO DO IT DOESN'T REQUIRE YOU ACTUALLY TO HAVE AN APPROPRIATION, BECAUSE WHEN WE CAME AND WE AWARDED A CONTRACT, YOU WOULD HAVE A COMPONENT AND THE COUNCIL WOULD HAVE A COMPONENT, AND THEN WE WOULD JUST DO THE TRANSFER AT THAT POINT, BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH WE MOVED MONEY HERE, WE'RE NOT PHYSICALLY TAKING IT FROM LAWFULLY APPROPRIATED. WE WOULD JUST MOVE IT BASED ON YOUR DIRECTIVE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. THANKS. THAT ONE. DO YOU NEED ANYTHING FROM US IN REFERENCE TO THAT? I'M FINE. I WOULD LIKE TO, IF JUST A GENERAL STATEMENT THAT THAT YOU AGREE THAT THAT THE CRA IS WILLING OR THAT YOU TAKE THE POSITION THAT THE CRA AND THE CITY CAN SHARE THE COST OR POTENTIALLY SHARE THE COST OF THE REPAIRS THAT OR THE SECURITY UPGRADES TO CAMBIER PARK? IF I HAVE THAT CONSENSUS, THEN I WILL BRING NEXT TIME YOU WILL SEE IS WHEN I COME BACK TO YOU WITH AN AWARD OF AN ENGINEERING CONTRACT FOR BOTH. I'M OKAY WITH THAT. MOTION BY CONSENSUS OR DO YOU NEED A FORMAL MOTION? I THINK THAT'S A GOOD MOTION TO HAVE AND OKAY FOR ME, MAY I MAKE A MOTION? I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT. WE USE THE CRA FUNDS TO HELP DEFRAY THE COST OF SECURITY FOR THE UPCOMING IMPROVEMENTS TO CAMBIER PARK. AND IS THAT A 5050 SPLIT? DOES IT NEED TO BE SPECIFIED? OR YOU CAN SAY NOT TO EXCEED 5050 SPLIT WITH WITH. IT'S OPEN FOR FURTHER DISCUSSIONS, BUT. THAT WAS A MOTION. DID ANYONE WANT A SECOND? SECOND? I'LL SECOND. 
          OKAY. DISCUSSION. GOT A QUESTION? CRA FUNDS FOR THE SECURITY AT CAMP OR IS THAT. 
          THAT'S DOABLE. PARK IMPROVEMENTS ARE PART OF THE EXISTING PARK IMPROVEMENT WITHIN THE CRA. THAT'S WHY IT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED THERE. DOES THIS TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALL THE OTHER SECURITY FEATURES? EXCUSE ME, THAT YOU ALL ARE CONTEMPLATING? YEAH, THIS WAS JUST THE PARK ONES. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BUYING ANY EQUIPMENT THAT CAN BE UTILIZED IN ANY OTHER PLACES. JUST THE PERMANENT STRUCTURES WITHIN THE CAMBIER PARK, IF YOU SO DESIRE TO DO SO. AND IF YOU DON'T, THAT'S FINE, RIGHT? WE'RE GOING TO DO IT NO MATTER WHAT. I JUST WAS ASKING THE QUESTION BECAUSE YOU HAVE PLACEHOLDERS AND THEY'RE NONSPECIFIC TO ANY PARK AND YOU HAVE PROJECTS YOU'RE GETTING READY TO WORK ON. I WAS THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I ASKED, IS THERE GOING TO BE A SUPPLEMENTAL COMING DOWN THE ROAD FOR MORE ON SECURITY THAT WILL BE COMING OUT OF THE. YEAH, THAT'LL BE COMING OUT OF THE SPECIAL TAX CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT FUND. AND YOU'LL SEE THE FIRST ONE ON THAT. THAT'S THE EQUIPMENT, ONE THAT YOU'LL SEE OUT OF THE 340 FUND ON APRIL 15TH. THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE EQUIPMENT, THE ARCHER EQUIPMENT. 
          THEN WHEN YOU WE EVENTUALLY GET TO THE BOLLARD DISCUSSION. LIKE I SAID, ONCE WE HAVE THE WHO, THE WHO, THE ENGINEER WOULD BE IS WHEN WE COME BACK FOR THAT. OKAY, MAYOR, VICE CHAIR, I JUST WANT TO ADD TO THAT IS WE. IT WAS PRESENTED TO THE CRA. THE ONLY REASON THAT WE SAID NO AT THE TIME IS BECAUSE WE WERE UNSURE OF HOW WE WERE GOING TO FUND THE EAST RIVER PARK, AND WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE THOSE FUNDS TAKEN AND NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO COMPLETE WHAT WE WERE MOVING TOWARDS. AND THAT WAS THE RIVER PARK EAST VERY WELL. AND SO THAT'S WHAT'S OCCURRING. MADAM MAYOR. PARDON? AND THAT'S WHAT'S OCCURRING WITH THIS. NO, I'M JUST GIVING YOU A LITTLE BACKGROUND AND IT'S NOT THE RECORD VERBATIM, BUT JUST SO YOU KNEW THE THINKING WHY WE DIDN'T FUND IT IN THE FIRST PLACE. BUT NOW WE HAVE A PATHWAY THROUGH OUR LEADERSHIP TEAM THAT SECURES THIS THE PRIORITY OF RIVER PARK EAST. THANK YOU. OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION ON THE FLOOR WITH A SECOND. PLEASE PULL THE CRA MEMBERS, PLEASE. BOARD MEMBERS. 
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MEMBER BARTON. YES. MEMBER BLANKENSHIP. YES. MAYOR HARTMAN. YES. MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. 
          MEMBER. CARL. YES. VICE CHAIR. SCHULTZ. YES. CHAIR. PENMAN. YES. OKAY. SO WITH THAT, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO ANY MORE ON THE WORKSHEET. DAVID, IF YOU COULD SAVE THIS NOW AND THEN. THAT WAY I HAVE THIS AS A PERMANENT RECORD. AND THEN IF YOU COULD BRING UP THE PRESENTATION, I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO GIVE DOCTOR JORGE AND BEN. TO GO THROUGH THE LAST SLIDE OF WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS OF ALL OF THE SERVICES THAT ARE THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED. IT'S A STATUS UPDATE AND WHEN YOU CAN EXPECT CERTAIN THINGS. SEND THEM BY THE. THANK YOU. 
          SO WE ARE STILL ON THE FINANCIAL AND FUND MANAGEMENT AND HAVE WISELY AND SMARTLY, WE CAN INVEST DOLLARS AVAILABLE WITHOUT BORROWING MORE THAN WE NEED TO BORROW. I THINK THAT OUR CITY MANAGER LAID OUT WHAT I LIKE TO CALL BEST DYNAMIC FINANCIAL MODEL I EVER SEEN PRESENTED BEFORE THE POLICYMAKERS. AND THAT WAS THAT WAS TRULY SO IMPRESSIVE. THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO HAVE BEN TO CONTINUE IN TERMS OF FUNDING AND WHERE WE ARE AND AND OH, BY THE WAY, BEING IN ENGINEERING, FRANKLY, I HAVE NOT SEEN AS EFFECTIVE ENGINEERING MODELING PRESENTED BEFORE. THE POLICYMAKERS FORGET FINANCIAL AS GOOD AS WE HAVE SEEN TODAY. SO I'M JUST EXCITED AND I'M AND I CANNOT HELP TO EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION. SO REAL QUICK. THE PRIMARY THINGS I WANT YOU TO SEE ON THIS LAST SLIDE ARE THE THREE PROJECTS THAT CURRENTLY HAVE THE MOMENTUM WITHIN THE C, R, A, AND WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE WEEDS ON D ONE, B ONE OR E THREE OR WHATEVER, THEY BASICALLY COMPRISE OF THREE GEOGRAPHICAL AREAS RIVER PARK, EAST RIVER PARK WEST AND THE FIRST AVENUE SOUTH PROJECT. 
          THOSE ESSENTIALLY ARE THE THREE PROJECTS MOVING FORWARD. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FIRST PROJECT ON THIS SLIDE, THE FIRST AVENUE SOUTH PROJECT IS WHAT I'M GOING TO CALL IT. IT ENCOMPASSES THE D THREE AND THE 30% OF THE D ONE. RIGHT NOW THERE'S WE'RE EXPECTING TO RECEIVE 60% DESIGN PLANS IN THE NEXT 2 TO 3 WEEKS. 100% DESIGN IS ANTICIPATED BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR. SO EXPECT THIS EXPECT COMPLETION OF THE DESIGN BY JANUARY OF NEXT YEAR. 
          SO WHEN YOU START BACKING INTO WHEN, WHEN, WHEN CAN WE TYPICALLY WHEN CAN WE START CONSTRUCTION OR AWARD A CONTRACT? ONCE WE RECEIVE DESIGN NEXT YEAR IN JANUARY, YOU CAN EXPECT PROBABLY A 3 TO 5 MONTH PERIOD FOR PROCUREMENT ON A PROJECT OF THAT MAGNITUDE. 
          SO WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO YOU OR WE ANTICIPATE TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH A CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT BEFORE THE SUMMER BREAK OF 27. WHEN YOU LOOK AT RIVER PARK WEST, THAT PROJECT IS CURRENTLY PENDING COMMENCEMENT OF. FOR DESIGN SERVICES, THE. THE DESIGN DOCUMENTS ARE BEING DRAFTED FOR PROCUREMENT. WE HOPE TO HAVE THAT CONTRACT BACK TO YOU BY THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR ON THAT PROJECT. AND THEN THE THIRD PROJECT, RIVER PARK EAST PROCUREMENT DOCUMENTS HAVE BEEN DRAFTED. THEY ARE SITTING IN PURCHASING, AND WE WERE WAITING UNTIL THE MEETING COMMENCED OR COMPLETED TODAY IN ORDER TO PURSUE THE DESIGN SERVICES FOR THE FULL SCALE DEMONSTRATION ON THAT. SO BASED ON TODAY'S EVENT, WE WILL PROCEED WITH PROCUREMENT AND HAVE A CONTRACT BACK TO YOU BEFORE THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR ON THAT AS WELL. 
          THE OTHER TWO, LIKE I PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED, D TWO, WHICH IS THE PUBLIC WORKS PUMP STATION, WE'RE GOING TO GET TRACTION ON THAT BASED ON THE EVALUATION THAT'S EXPECTED TO COMMENCE THIS YEAR AND TAKE GO THROUGH NEXT FISCAL YEAR TO SOME DEGREE. AND THEN THE LAST PROJECT THAT WAS COVERED WITHIN THE PRESENTATION IS BEING DEFERRED AT THIS TIME. SO THAT'S IT. THAT'S IT IN A NUTSHELL. ANY ANY OTHER THING THAT I WOULD ADD FOR CLARITY IS WHEN THE PUMP STATION ONE, WHEN IT COMES BACK TO YOU, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU AS CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE NO C R A FUNDS ARE BEING PROPOSED. THAT IS A STORMWATER PROJECT. AND YOU WOULD BE SEEING THAT AS A MEMBER OF COUNCIL, NOT AS THE C R A. COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, GENTLEMEN. AND WE HAVE THE I THINK WE HAVE THE 
          [10) CRA ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT]
          [02:35:03]
ADMINISTRATOR'S REPORT. DO WE NOT YET LEFT ON OUR BUDGET OR ON OUR ITEMS TODAY? THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. ANITA JENKINS, FOR THE RECORD, AGAIN, YOU DO HAVE AN ADMINISTRATOR'S UPDATE IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET. IT INCLUDES AN UPDATE ON ALL THE CURRENT PROJECTS THAT ARE ONGOING FOR THE C, R, A, AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE FROM THAT REPORT. SO ANITA, JUST JUST TO CLARIFY, WE MAY OR MAY NOT OPINE ON THESE BECAUSE GENERALLY THEY'VE BEEN APPROVED. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT ARE ONGOING. 
          ONGOING. OKAY. UNLESS SOMEONE HAS SOME QUESTIONS. RELATIVE. YES. JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE NEW MEMBERS, COULD YOU GO OVER THE. RIVER PARK? I MEAN, THE HOME IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM IN YOUR REPORT? YES. THE HOME IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM HAS BEEN FUNDED BY THE CRA FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS. AND THE AMOUNT OF $200,000 ANNUALLY WE HAVE TO DATE RECEIVED AND COMPLETED SIX APPLICATIONS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THOSE IMPROVEMENTS INCLUDED DRIVEWAY REPLACEMENT, EXTERIOR PAINT, WINDOW REPLACEMENT, AND ALSO THE C R A PARTICIPATED IN FUNDING THE ELEVATION OF ONE HOME IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO APPLICATIONS AND I WAS HANDED ANOTHER APPLICATION THIS MORNING. SO WE HAVE THREE APPLICATIONS THAT ARE UNDER EVALUATION AND WE WILL BE EVALUATING THOSE AND GETTING COST ESTIMATES TO SEE HOW MUCH THE THE CRA CAN FUND AND SUPPORT. SO WITH YOUR BUDGET NEXT YEAR, WE WILL BE BRINGING THAT ITEM FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE FUNDING THOSE HOME IMPROVEMENTS AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE NEW MEMBERS, THE CRITERIA FOR THAT PROGRAM IS THE HOME HAS TO BE HOMESTEADED AND INCOME QUALIFIED, AND IT'S ALSO ONLY AVAILABLE IN RIVER PARK EAST. SO WE'RE HELPING THE RESIDENTS THERE THAT ARE INCOME QUALIFIED AND HOMESTEADED TO IMPROVE THEIR PROPERTIES. AND THE PROGRAM DOES HAVE SPECIFIC ELIGIBLE REQUIREMENTS AND IMPROVEMENTS THAT CAN BE FUNDED. WASN'T THAT DONE BY THE FOUNDATION? I'M SORRY, WASN'T THE HOME ELEVATION FUNDED BY THE FOUNDATION THAT WAS TO THE TO A GREAT EXTENT, YES, IT WAS. 
          AND THEN THE COSTS WERE OVERRUNNING THE AMOUNT THAT THEY HAD AVAILABLE. SO THEY CAME TO THE CRA AND THE CRA FUNDED $25,000 TO FINISH THAT PROJECT. GOTCHA. THANK YOU. 
          MAYOR. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS PROGRAM COME BACK FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS. IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, INSTEAD OF PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT WE ACTUALLY NEEDED TO DO, WHICH WAS THE INFRASTRUCTURE, WE CHOSE TO CREATE A PROGRAM THAT WOULD HELP IN MAKING PATCHWORK. AND I THINK IN THAT AREA, NOT THAT IT HASN'T BENEFITED SOME PEOPLE, BUT WE ARE NOW PUTTING A LOT OF MONEY AND REALLY A GOOD COMMITMENT INTO INFRASTRUCTURE TO WHERE WE SHOULD LOOK AT THAT PROGRAM AND WHETHER IT ACTUALLY IS SOMETHING WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO, TO, TO DO, BEING OUR EFFORTS IN, IN TRUE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS. SO YES, DISCUSSION QUESTION. SO SEAWALL REPAIRS, DOES THIS PROGRAM COVER HOMEOWNERS TO PREPARE THEIR SEAWALLS IF THEY WANT TO? THAT IS AN ELIGIBLE IMPROVEMENT. IF THEY ARE AGAIN HOMESTEADED AND INCOME QUALIFIED. SO IT IS SPECIFIC TO A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES BUT NOT ALL THE PROPERTIES. OKAY. AND THEN SECOND QUESTION FOR DOCTOR JORGE, DOES THE FULL SCALE DEMONSTRATION PROJECT INCLUDE ANY ELEMENT OF REPAIRING OR ELEVATING SEAWALLS? NO, SIR. 
          COACH. MISS JENKINS, HOW HOW MANY 84 HOMES. WE SAID IN RIVER PARK 70. SORRY, 74. 74. HOW MANY OF THE 74 DO WE KNOW HOW MANY 74 ARE NOW WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS PROGRAM? IS THERE. WE KNOW THAT APPROXIMATELY HALF OF THEM ARE ABOUT 32 ACTUALLY ARE HOMESTEADED. OF THOSE WE DO NOT KNOW THE THE INCOMES OF EVERYONE THAT IS HOMESTEADED. 
          THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED. SO ONLY I MEAN APPROXIMATELY LESS THAN HALF FOR HOMESTEAD AT THIS 
          [02:40:04]
POINT. AND AS IT. I MEAN, THE MORE WE DO, THE MORE IT'S GOING TO GENTRIFY. I MEAN, THERE'S FOLKS SITTING IN THIS ROOM ON A REGULAR BASIS THAT OWN MULTIPLE PROPERTIES THAT ARE CANNOT WAIT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS TO HAPPEN. AND SO I'D PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT ON WHAT THE MAYOR IS SAYING. THERE'S A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT EVEN ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THIS. IN ADDITION, IT'S A NOMINAL LIKE, HOW MUCH HAVE WE SPENT ON IT? DID WE SPEND LAST YEAR? I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT WAS BUDGETED. WE HAVE APPROACHED THE MAXIMUM BUDGET OF 200 000 WITH THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAD, AND YOU ALLOCATED IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET AN ADDITIONAL 200,000, WHICH IS NOT ENCUMBERED YET BECAUSE WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THE EVALUATION OF THE THREE APPLICATIONS THAT WE HAVE. YEP. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE, TWO, THREE APPLICATIONS. 
          TYPICALLY, I THINK THE FIRST YEAR, MAYBE THERE WAS ONE OR NONE ONE? NO, I THINK THE FIRST YEAR WE HAD 3 OR 4. YEAH. NONETHELESS, I THINK THIS HELPS REAL EVERYDAY PEOPLE WHO REALLY NEED A LOT OF HELP. AND WHILE IT ISN'T A, YOU KNOW, A MASSIVE PROJECT, I THINK IT IS A MASSIVE DIFFERENCE IN THEIR LIVES. AND I WOULD AND THAT'S WHY I VOTED TO SPEND MORE MONEY ON IT. I WOULD SAY THAT FOR THE FEW HOME PEOPLE, LOCAL FOLKS THAT REMAIN FOR ALL THESE YEARS, IT'S A BIG DEAL FOR THEM. AND I WOULD I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE THE PROGRAMING. YEAH. 
          AND COUNCILMEMBER KRAMER, I JUST WANT TO EVALUATE IT BECAUSE THE ONE CONCERN WE HAD WAS WE WERE DOING WINDOWS, AND THEN THOSE WINDOWS CREATED ANOTHER ISSUE AND ANOTHER ISSUE. 
          SO YEAH, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SAYING AND AND THAT IS AN ISSUE. SO IN MY VIEW, THEN WE RAISED RAISE, RAISE, RAISE THE CEILING ON IT BECAUSE AS SOON AS WE TAKE THE DRYWALL OFF, WE'LL HAVE TO FIND ALL KINDS OF STUFF. YEAH, THAT'S THE REALITY OF IT. AND. NONETHELESS, I WANT TO HELP HIM. OH, ABSOLUTELY. THAT WASN'T THE POINT. IT'S JUST WELL, I DON'T THINK HOW THE PROGRAM IS BEING INITIATED AND THE BENEFITS THAT ARE ACTUALLY HAPPENING TO. WELL, I'M ALL FOR ANY DISCUSSION AS LONG AS WE KEEP THE PROGRAM ROLLING. YES. I'LL JUST REAL QUICKLY ADD TO THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. WE'VE GOT THREE NEW MEMBERS UP HERE. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY FAIR TO THEM THAT WE THAT THEY'RE INCLUDED IN IN DECISIONS MOVING FORWARD IN REFERENCE TO HOW WE'RE SPENDING OUR MONEY. SO IF WE WANT TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND GET THIS RE APPROVED OR NOT APPROVED, BUT I ALSO JUST FYI, I AGREE WITH COACH DOWN THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS PROGRAM MAY NOT BE A LOT TO US, BUT 25 GRAND OF HOME IMPROVEMENTS TO AN INDIVIDUAL THAT QUALIFIES BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MAKING ENOUGH MONEY TO BEGIN WITH. 
          THAT 25 GRAND IS A LOT. AND, AND IT'S STUFF THAT THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO DO ON THEIR OWN. SO OR POTENTIALLY WOULD BE ABLE TO DO ON THEIR OWN. SO AGAIN, I THINK, I THINK THE PLACE, I THINK IT HAS A PLACE AND WE CAN DISCUSS IT. AND I HAVE NO PROBLEM BRINGING IT BACK FOR DISCUSSION IF THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO DO OR IF THAT'S THE CONSENSUS OF THIS GROUP RIGHT NOW TO SAY, HEY, LET'S BRING IT BACK FOR DISCUSSION. MAYBE THE THREE NEW MEMBERS MAYBE SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE THINK IT SOUNDS GREAT. LET'S MOVE ON WITH OUR LIVES. I DON'T KNOW, BUT YEAH, AND I, I THANK YOU, MR. BURTON. I THINK THERE SHOULD BE CONSENSUS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT NEEDS TO COME BACK. SO I'D BE HAPPY TO. YEAH. I THINK THE CAR KEYS. 
          COUNCILMAN BURTON, IN REGARDS TO THE FUNDING AND HELPING FOLKS, THE CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE TO HELP ME AS A NEW MEMBER, I THINK WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL. SO DON'T NEED TO REINVENT THE WHEEL BY ANY STRETCH, BUT ANY WISDOM FROM THE PAST THAT WE CAN BUILD ON, I'D BE I'M ALL OPEN TO THAT. THANK YOU. THAT COULD BE AS SIMPLE AS MR. JENKINS HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH YOU. I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE AN AGENDA ITEM. I KNOW YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE PROGRAM, BUT WE CAN TAKE WE CAN GET CONSENSUS. I THINK SINCE WE'RE DEALING WITH LIKE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF FUNDS, MAYBE IT SHOULD BE TARGETED FOR LIKE LOT IMPROVEMENTS, MAYBE SEAWALL, DRIVEWAY, STUFF LIKE THAT VERSUS EVERY LITTLE PERSONAL THING IN THE HOUSE. I MEAN, BECAUSE I THINK YOU RUN THE PROBLEM IF FEW PEOPLE WANT WINDOWS AND A LOT HALF THE BUDGET GOES TO THAT. SO IT'S LIKE, MAYBE, MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE SOME DISCUSSION ON PARAMETERS THAT MAKES SENSE. SO I, ANITA, WHEN YOU GET AN APPLICATION, IT WOULD SEEM LIKE MAYBE THE SIMPLE WAY TO SOLVE THIS SITUATION WOULD BE TO LET US KNOW AND WHAT THE APPLICATION IS AND WHETHER OR NOT THEY'VE BEEN APPROVED. JUST WHENEVER, WHENEVER YOU GET THESE APPLICATIONS, JUST PLEASE LET THE CRA KNOW THAT YOU HAVE RECEIVED, YOU'VE APPRAISED, APPRAISED THE SITUATION AND A CERTAIN AMOUNT IS GOING TO GO TOWARD SOME IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT PARTICULAR HOME. JUST KEEP US APPRIZED OF THAT PARTICULAR PROGRAM. IS EVERYBODY OKAY WITH 
          [02:45:04]
THAT ON A, ON A ONGOING BASIS? OKAY, LET'S SEE HOW THAT WORKS ANYWAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? HEY. SORRY. YES, MISS JENKINS ON THE YOUR REPORT WITH THE NAPLES DESIGN DISTRICT IMPROVEMENTS, CAN YOU JUST THANK YOU FOR THAT UPDATE, BUT ARE WE IS THE CITY ATTORNEY WORKING ON AGREEMENTS FOR THE THE PROPERTY OWNERS FOR THAT DESIGN WALK PILOT PROGRAM? I MEAN, HOW DOES THAT FIT NOW? WHERE ARE WE WITH MOVING FORWARD? SO THE AGREEMENTS ARE ARE NECESSARY. SOME OF THE IMPROVEMENTS ARE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS IN THAT AREA. SO THAT WAS THE INTENT OF MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE THOSE AGREEMENTS IN PLACE PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION OF THAT PROJECT. AND THE STATUS OF THAT, I'LL DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY. 
          WELL, WHAT'S THE STATUS NOW WITH THIS PROJECT? DID I UNDERSTAND THAT THE DESIGN WALK WAS GOING TO COME BACK OR IT IS PART OF THIS FIRST 10TH AND 12TH PROJECT INFRASTRUCTURE? SURE. THE WITHOUT REMEMBERING QUITE THE DATES, THE CITY OR THE CRA DID RECEIVE THE FINAL PRESENTATION OF THE FINAL DESIGN FOR THAT PARTICULAR PILOT PROJECT AND APPROVED THE FINAL DESIGN OF THAT. AND THEN WHEN WE UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE WOULD BE A UTILITY LINE ON THE WESTERN ALLEYWAY, STAFF HAS AGREED THAT THAT WOULD BE MOST EFFICIENT TO MAKE ANY IMPROVEMENTS WITH THE FIRST AVENUE SOUTH PROJECT. SO WHEN THE FIRST AVENUE SOUTH PROJECT COMES BACK TO YOU, WE WOULD HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION RELATED TO THE DESIGN WALK AT THAT TIME AS WELL. SO WE ARE SPENDING FUNDS TO EVALUATE THE UTILITIES. THE ATTORNEY'S MOVING FORWARD WITH AGREEMENTS AS. TO THE EXTENT THAT IT'S GOING TO TOUCH FIRST, 10TH AND 12TH. WHEN WE COME BACK AT THE 60% DESIGN, WE WOULD IDENTIFY THE PROPERTIES ADJACENT TO THE ONES IN THAT COMPONENT OF THE DESIGN AND WHETHER OR NOT ANY AGREEMENTS WERE TO TAKE PLACE. 
          THE CONCEPTUAL DESIGN HAD BLOCK BY BLOCK OR THE MASTER PLAN, FOR LACK OF A BETTER. I'M NOT SURE THAT'S THE RIGHT EXPRESSION, BUT HAD BLOCK BY BLOCK AND IDENTIFIED WELL AND IT MAY ENCROACH SOMEWHERE, OR IT MAY BE A SHARED BETWEEN THE PROPERTY AND THE OTHER. AND I SAID, WELL, WE HAVE TO HAVE AGREEMENTS IN PLACE IF WE GO TO DO THAT. SO TO ARBITRARILY RIGHT AT THIS TIME, TALK ABOUT ALL OF THEM, I THINK WOULD BE GOOD, IS TO COME BACK AND SAY, WHEN WE ARE WHEN WE COME BACK AT THE 60% DESIGN, WHICH INCLUDES ELEMENT OF THE DESIGN WALL THAT WE IDENTIFY, IF THERE'S ANY PROPERTIES THAT ARE ADJACENT TO THAT, THAT NEED TO HAVE AGREEMENTS AND STATUS UPDATE AT THAT TIME. BUT IT'S STILL PRELIMINARY BECAUSE WE DIDN'T SET OUT TO DO AGREEMENTS WITH EVERYBODY ALONG THERE JUST BECAUSE THE THE PLAN WAS IN PLACE IS THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, IF I'M CORRECT. YES, THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT. THE AGREEMENTS WOULD ONLY BE WITH THE PILOT PROJECT SO THAT THAT AREA THAT IS WEST OF 10TH AND BETWEEN CENTRAL AND FIRST AVENUE SOUTH IS THE PILOT PROJECT AREA. SO THE AGREEMENTS AND THE INTENTION WOULD ONLY BE FOR THAT PILOT PROJECT AT THIS TIME. I GUESS. IN SHORT, MA'AM, WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU WITH THAT INFORMATION WHEN WE COME BACK AT 60% DESIGN. OKAY. AND. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THEN THE UPDATE ON THE PARTNERSHIP OF THE. ROUNDABOUT ON THIRD. IT WAS IN THE BUDGET. I DIDN'T ASK A QUESTION ABOUT IT, BUT THAT YEAH, THAT IS THAT WAS PROPOSED BY PUBLIC WORKS FOR A FUTURE CIP ITEM FOR THE CRA FUND, BUT IT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED BY THE CRA TO DATE. OH, I THINK IT MAY HAVE BEEN IN THIS PRESENTATION. I'M NOT SURE IT WAS IN THE BUDGET AND I JUST DIDN'T KNOW. WHERE WE WERE BECAUSE I THOUGHT WE WERE TALKING TO THE HOMEOWNERS ABOUT OUR FAIR SHARE OF THAT PROJECT. YEAH, I WOULD HAVE TO DEFER TO PUBLIC WORKS. 
          I HAVEN'T I HAVEN'T BEEN INVOLVED IN THE THE THAT IMPROVEMENT FOR THIRD AVENUE WHERE WE WOULD I'LL GET WITH ALLISON AND WE'LL HAVE A BACKUP REPORT TO YOU AS A MEMBER AS COUNCIL, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S A SPECIFIC LINE ITEM HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER 
          [02:50:05]
COMMENTS? QUESTIONS? OKAY, MADAM CHAIR, IF I MIGHT, MY ANSWER TO MY ANSWER TO VICE MAYOR'S QUESTION WAS SHORT ANSWER. AND I THINK OUR MAYOR ALSO RAISED A VERY GOOD SUBJECT MATTER. I'M REFERRING TO SEAWALLS. SO I THINK THAT WE HAVE SOME HOMEWORK TO DO, AND I OWE SOME DELIVERABLES TO OUR CITY MANAGER ASSOCIATED WITH SEAWALL STUDY AND SEAWALL STUDY. 
          ALSO LOOKING AT ELEVATIONS, BEING ABLE TO HANDLE TAIL WATER THAT WILL RESIST FOR IRMA LEVEL. 
          BACK WATER SEARCH, WHICH IS A LONG WAVE. IT'S NOT LIKE SURGE AS A WAVE. SO HAVING SAID THAT, FINALIZING SEAWALL AND SEAWALL STUDY COMING BEFORE THE COUNCIL. AND IT'S ALSO INCORPORATED AND TO BE INCORPORATED IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COMP PLAN AND OTHER DISCUSSIONS. WE DID HEAR FROM OUR MEMBERS, TIES IT TOGETHER WITHOUT SEAWALLS BEING PLANNED AND AND VISIONED FOR 25 YEAR, ONE DAY STORM EVENT. WE CANNOT PUMP WATER AGAINST RIVER OR GULF WATER. SO I THINK THAT THAT MIGHT BE ONE OF THE GOOD DRIVERS FOR THE DISCUSSION WHERE WE MIGHT WANT TO SPEND THIS AVAILABLE FUNDS. AND THE OTHER PIECE IS THAT THE LEVELS CAME UP. WHAT SHOULD BE THE UPPER LEVEL FOR THESE INVESTMENT. AND BETWEEN HOME IMPROVEMENTS, I WANT TO CALL THAT GENERAL HOME IMPROVEMENTS AND SEAWALL. DURING THAT DISCUSSION, WE MIGHT HAVE SOME GOOD NUMBERS. RANGE OF NUMBERS, WHAT IT WILL TAKE FOR SEAWALLS TO BE RAISED TO LEVELS IT NEEDS TO BE RAISED. AND THAT MIGHT HELP. MAYBE HAVING TWO DIFFERENT UPPER LEVEL SUPPORT HOME IMPROVEMENTS AND SEAWALL. THIS WAY. SEAWALLS ARE NOT COMPETING WITH HOME IMPROVEMENTS, BUT WE STILL HAVE PROGRAMS SYNCHRONIZED MOVING FORWARD, NOT ONLY IN PLANNING STAGE BUT BEFORE EXECUTION STAGE. I HOPE THAT HELPS. AND WHAT NUMBER ARE YOU USING, DOCTOR GEORGE 4.8 OR 5.4 ON THE ON THE SEAWALL. NUMBER IS DRAFT AT THIS TIME TENTATIVE. IT'S GOING TO BE BETWEEN 5.9 TO 5 .5.6 5.9FT. SO MUCH EVEN HIGHER FROM DISCUSSIONS ABOUT A YEAR AGO. I THINK THE TOP WAS FIVE FOR THE FOR THE PURPOSE OF PILOT PROGRAM. YEAH, I THINK THAT OUR VICE MAYOR ASKED. VERY INTELLIGENT AND TARGETED QUESTION. AND MY SHORT ANSWER DIDN'T SERVE THE PURPOSE. I DIDN'T WANT TO JUMP IN IN LIGHT OF OUR MADAM MAYOR'S INQUIRY, HOW MUCH WE SHOULD INVEST IN THIS LINE ITEM. AS OUR CITY MANAGER INDICATED, WE'LL COME BACK WITH BETTER HOMEWORK, BETTER INFORMATION IF THE INVESTMENT IS TOWARDS SEAWALLS. 
          WITH HIGHER NUMBERS OR HIGHER CEILING. AND THEN IF THE CONSENSUS IS WE WANT TO CONTINUE TO HELP HOME IMPROVEMENTS IN THAT AREA. THOSE ARE THE POLICY DECISIONS. 
          BUT I JUST DID WANT TO I JUST DID WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M RESPONSIVE TO OUR MADAM MAYOR'S INQUIRY. WHERE SHOULD WE INVEST THESE AVAILABLE DOLLARS? AS MARGINAL AS IT LOOKS, IT MIGHT BE MORE THAN PROBABLY IT IS CURRENTLY IF IT IS SEAWALLS. I HOPE THAT CLARIFIES, SIR. YES. 
          THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT ANSWER. I WAS GOING TO BRING IT UP IN CORRESPONDENCE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND 20 TO $30 MILLION DEVELOPING THIS WONDERFUL SYSTEM IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND WE'RE PUMPING WATER INTO THE JORDAN RIVER, AND IT'S TURNING AROUND AND COMING RIGHT BACK BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE SEAWALLS TO HOLD IT BACK. WE HAVEN'T SOLVED THE PROBLEM. AND I APPRECIATE THERE'S INTERIM STEPS, LIKE MAYBE THE HOME IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM OR SIMILAR PROGRAM, REPAIRING THE SEAWALLS THAT SHOULD BE THERE. NOW, YOU KNOW, SOME NEED REPAIRS NOW VERSUS INCREASING THEM TO WHETHER IT'S 5.8, 5.9, MAYBE A NICE EVEN SIX 
          [02:55:06]
FEET, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT NUMBER IS. AND, AND THEN HOW WE ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT THAT WILL BE VERY TRICKY, RIGHT? BECAUSE WE HAVE HOMESTEADED PEOPLE, WE HAVE INVESTOR OWNED PROPERTIES. DO WE DO THAT THROUGH AN ASSESSMENT LIKE THE SEPTIC TO SEWER PROGRAM OR A TAX DISTRICT, LIKE IN THE MOORINGS BAY OR EAST NAPLES? I MEAN, THERE'S DIFFERENT WAYS TO IMPLEMENT IT. IT'S A COMPLEX ISSUE, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO BE TACKLING IT WHILE WE'RE PLANNING THE MAJOR PROJECT. SO WE DON'T SPEND A LOT OF MONEY AND NOT REALLY SOLVE THE PROBLEM OR SOLVE PART OF THE PROBLEM. THANK YOU. YES, SIR. AND THIS HAS COME UP A NUMBER OF TIMES. AND THE QUESTION STILL REMAINS. ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT REMAINS, BUT IS IT OUR RESPONSIBILITY OR PREROGATIVE TO REPAIR OR BUILD SEAWALLS FOR PRIVATE PROPERTIES? YOU KNOW, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SPECIAL TAXING DISTRICT, ETC. IN OTHER PLACES. AND IT CAN'T HAPPEN IN, YOU KNOW, YOU CREATE A NEW CODE AND IF WHEN IT CHANGES HANDS, THIS IS A REQUIREMENT, THAT SORT OF THING. AND I'VE BEEN HAMMERED BY FOLKS IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT WHY CAN'T YOU DO IT? LIKE PALM BEACH AND PALM BEACH STARTED AT 60 OR 70 YEARS AGO OR WHATEVER AND MADE IT A REQUIREMENT. AND THAT'S HOW IT WORKS, RIGHT? SO THIS IS A COMPLEX, I THINK DOCTOR G WOULD SAY THIS IS A COMPLEX PROBLEM. WE CAN'T SOLVE IT. WE'VE GOT SMART ENOUGH PEOPLE, BUT I JUST WANT PUBLIC TO KNOW THERE'S NO MAGIC WAND WHERE THE CITY'S GOING TO COME BUILD YOU A SEAWALL. JUST KNOW THAT AND IT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY. 
          HAVING SAID THAT, IT DOES MAKE SENSE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE THIS INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WE DO SOMEHOW MAKE THE TWO HAPPEN SOMEWHAT SIMULTANEOUSLY. I MEAN, I AGREE WITH YOU THAT THE CITY MAY NOT BE THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY. HOWEVER, THE CITY DOES OFTEN OPERATE AS A CONDUIT FOR NEIGHBORHOODS OR AS A SHARED SERVICE ORGANIZATION LIKE THE SEAGATE UNDERGROUNDING PROJECT OR SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS WHERE RESIDENTS COME TOGETHER AND SAY, PLEASE HELP US GET THIS DONE. AND IT DOES SERVE A PUBLIC PURPOSE. I AGREE 100%. YEAH. OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? YOU HAVE YOUR MIC ON. FOR THE DISCUSSION. ALL RIGHT. THAT BEING THE CASE, IT APPEARS THAT WE'VE COVERED THE AGENDA FOR TODAY. EVERYBODY GOOD. CORRESPONDENCE. MR. SCHULTZ. COACH. NOTHING. THANK YOU MA'AM. WELL DONE. FIRST MEETING. WELL DONE MA'AM. YOU ALL BROUGHT YOUR A GAME. YOU MADE IT EASY. NOTHING ELSE. THANKS. NO THANK YOU. I'VE HIT MY WORD ALLOTMENT FOR THE DAY. I KIND OF MR. NO, I JUST THINK IT WAS A GOOD THAT WE'RE ADDRESSING SOME LONG TERM NEEDS, AND I'M HAPPY WITH THE RESULTS. THANK YOU FOR THAT, MAYOR. I DO I'M SORRY. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THE FIFTH AVENUE PALATE APPROVAL WE APPROVED, I DON'T KNOW, YEARS AGO, IS THAT BEING IMPLEMENTED FOR THE RENOVATIONS OF BUILDINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING ON FIFTH AVENUE? YES. THE ANITA JENKINS, FOR THE RECORD, THE HARDSCAPE AND LANDSCAPE PALETTE THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE FIFTH AVENUE PLAN HAS BEEN CODIFIED IN YOUR FIFTH AVE OVERLAY, AND THAT INCLUDES, AGAIN, BOTH LANDSCAPE AND HARDSCAPE. SO AS PROPERTIES REDEVELOP ON THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY, THEY WOULD BE USING THE PALETTE THAT WAS SELECTED AT THAT TIME IN 2020. AND DO YOU HAVE AN UPDATE ON THE ONE BUILDING THAT IS IN DISARRAY AND HAS NOT MOVED FORWARD IN RENOVATION? I DO NOT YOU KNOW, THE ONE I'M REFERRING TO, I DO NOT. OH, ACROSS FROM PARK STREET WHERE THE BID USED TO BE. OH. WE CAN PROVIDE AN UPDATE IN CITY COUNCIL. IS THAT THAT WOULDN'T FALL UNDER ANITA'S PURVIEW. SO WE CAN GET. I'LL GET YOU AN UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF THAT PERMIT. I KNOW WHICH BUILDING YOU'RE SPEAKING OF, MA'AM. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? VERY PRODUCTIVE DAY. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. STAFF. 
          IT'S A GREAT CITY. WE GOT A LOT DONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOU'RE INSPIRING.
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