[00:00:06] GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO THIS MARCH 18TH, 2026 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING. [1) CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL] MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRULL HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ HERE. VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP HERE. MAYOR HARTMAN HERE. THANK YOU. TODAY, WE ARE HAPPY TO WELCOME REVEREND EDWARD GLEASON FROM TRINITY BY THE COVE EPISCOPAL CHURCH, [2) INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] TO LEAD US IN THE INVOCATION, FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE LED BY COUNCIL MEMBER CRAMER. PLEASE STAND. LET US PRAY. ALMIGHTY GOD, TEACH OUR PEOPLE TO RELY ON YOUR STRENGTH AND TO ACCEPT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES TO THEIR FELLOW CITIZENS, THAT THEY MAY ELECT TRUSTWORTHY LEADERS AND MAKE WISE DECISIONS FOR THE WELL-BEING OF OUR SOCIETY, THAT WE MAY SERVE YOU FAITHFULLY IN OUR GENERATION AND HONOR YOUR HOLY NAME. AND WE PRAY YOU SEND DOWN UPON THOSE WHO HOLD OFFICE IN THIS CITY THE SPIRIT OF WISDOM, CHARITY AND JUSTICE, THAT WITH STEADFAST PURPOSE THEY MAY FAITHFULLY SERVE IN THEIR OFFICES TO PROMOTE THE WELL-BEING OF ALL PEOPLE. WE OFFER THESE OUR PETITIONS AND DESIRES THROUGH YOUR HOLY NAME. AMEN. AMEN. BEFORE THE PLEDGE. I'M SORRY. COUNCILMEMBER KRAMER, IF WE COULD TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE FOR ALLEN RIKER AND HIS WIFE. CHRIS, WE LOST ALLEN RIKER, WHO WAS VERY INVOLVED. PUBLIC SERVANT AND A FORMER SAM, NO RECIPIENT. SO A MOMENT OF SILENCE, PLEASE. THANK YOU. IF YOU WOULD. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, MR. YOUNG. SETTING THE [3) SET AGENDA (add or remove items)] AGENDA. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. I JUST WANT TO SET THE AGENDA. I WANT TO ADVISE THAT WE HAD A SUPPLEMENT THAT WAS ISSUED. THE TWO ITEMS THAT WERE IN THE SUPPLEMENT WAS A PRESENTATION ADDED TO ITEM 14 A, WHICH IS A RESOLUTION APPROVING SUBMITTAL OF AN APPLICATION TO COLLIER COUNTY TO CAPTURE THE CITY'S FISCAL YEAR 2627 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT FUNDS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, DURING THE MARCH 16TH, 2026 CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP COUNCIL REACHED A CONSENSUS TO ADD A DISCUSSION ITEM OF HB 4005 AND THAT ITEM, THE AGM AND THE CORRESPONDING LEGISLATION WERE PART OF THE SUPPLEMENT. AND WITH THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MA'AM. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? OH, I'M SORRY. THERE ARE TWO EXECUTIVE SESSIONS, MA'AM, WHICH WILL BE HELD AT 1230. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? DO I HAVE A MOTION FOR SETTING THE AGENDA? SO MOVED A MOTION. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON FOR SETTING THE AGENDA. ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNED BY. AYE, AYE. OPPOSED. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. THAT TAKES US TO OUR ANNOUNCEMENTS AND PRESENTATIONS. [4.A) Sam Noe Award Presentation.  ] AND OUR FIRST PRESENTATION IS THE SAM NO AWARD MRS. IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU. MRS FOR PROVIDING ME SOME INFORMATION ABOUT FORMER TOM MCCANN, WHO WAS A P A B MEMBER AND A RECIPIENT OF THE SAM AWARD FOR 2021. MR. MCCANN WAS APPOINTED TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD IN 2015 AND SERVED AS THE CHAIR, AN ATTORNEY AND FORMER EXECUTIVE FOR GENERAL FOODS AND BRISTOL-MYERS. MR. MCCANN WAS ACTIVE WITH A NUMBER OF LOCAL NONPROFIT ORGANIZATIONS, THE COLLIER COUNTY COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE, THE BOARD OF MOORINGS PARK, AND THE BOARD OF THE CONSERVANCY. IMMEDIATE PAST CHAIR OF THE NAPLES BOTANICAL GARDEN AND PAST CHAIR. MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION OF COLLIER COUNTY AND A BOARD MEMBER OF THE HOPKINS UNIVERSITY SCHOOL OF PUBLIC HEALTH. AND JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MR. RIKER. AND AGAIN, OUR CONDOLENCES GO TO CHRIS RIKER. [00:05:07] ON APRIL 6TH, 2016, THE NAPLES CITY COUNCIL PASSED A RESOLUTION NAMING ALLEN RIKER, THE RECIPIENT OF THE 2016 SAM NO AWARD. ALTHOUGH MR. RIKER SERVED ON MANY BOARDS AND COMMITTEES IN THE CITY FOR OVER 15 YEARS, HE ALSO SERVED THE COMMUNITY AT LARGE. MR. RIKER SERVED ON THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY FROM 2003 TO 2007 AND SERVED AS CHAIR. THEN WAS APPOINTED TO THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY BOARDS 2008 TO 2013, LEAVING THE BOARD AS THE CHAIR. MR. RIKER WAS APPOINTED TO ANOTHER TERM ON THE CRAB. FROM 2011 TO 2015, HE WAS COMMITTED TO PRESERVING AND COMPLETING THE GORDON RIVER GREENWAY PROJECT THROUGH HIS SERVICE AS A BOARD MEMBER OF THE SOUTHWEST FLORIDA LAND PRESERVATION TRUST. IN ADDITION, THROUGH MANY YEARS SERVING ON THE NAPLES PATHWAY COALITION, HE PARTICIPATED IN EFFORTS, ULTIMATELY RESULTING IN THE NAPLES RECEIVING A BRONZE BICYCLE FRIENDLY COMMUNITY AWARD FROM 2015 TO 2018 FROM THE LEAGUE OF AMERICAN BICYCLISTS, AND WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PUBLICATION OF THE CITY OF NAPLES BICYCLE MAP. THEY'LL BE TRULY MISSED AS WE HONOR THE SAMDOE AWARD RECIPIENTS TODAY, AND WE, AS ALWAYS, APPRECIATE THEIR SERVICE AND THOSE WHO CONTINUE TO SERVE OUR CITY. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR. AND GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AND ALL OUR PRIOR RECIPIENTS OF THE SAM AWARD AND THE PUBLIC THAT'S HERE TODAY. IN OCTOBER OF 2006, THE CITY COUNCIL ESTABLISHED THIS AWARD TO HONOR SERVICE TO THE CITY OF NAPLES BY THE LATE SAMUEL RIJINO, WHO WAS ON OUR PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE GUIDELINES FOR THE AWARD, THE CITY COUNCIL REVIEWED THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND SELECTED JOHN CROSS AS THE RECIPIENT FOR THE AWARD AT ITS MARCH 4TH REGULAR MEETING, MR. CROSS SERVED ON THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD FROM 2018 TO 2025. HE ALSO SERVED AS THE VICE CHAIR FROM 2022 TO 2024 AND CHAIR FROM 2024 TO 2025. I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE PAST AWARDS THAT WERE PRESENTED FOR THOSE WHO ARE NOT WITH US TODAY RONALD PENNINGTON, JAMES BLACK, WILLIAM KROSCHEL MURRAY HENDL, JAMES. RIDEOUT, PETER. MANION, WILLIE. ANTHONY. LODGE, MICKEY. ALLEN. RIKER. LINDA. BROWN. BLACK. DAVID. WHITE, AND, OF COURSE, TOM MCCANN. BUT WE ARE VERY HONORED TO HAVE WITH US TODAY. AND I'D LIKE TO INVITE THEM UP BEFORE WE INVITE MR. CROSS UP IS OUR 2025 SAMDOE RECIPIENT AND FOSTER OUR 2022 RECIPIENT. STEVEN RUBYW. 2018 JAMES KROLL. 2020 BRUCE ELFORD. 2024 SHARD A SPA. 2023 RENEE CEPEDA AND DID I MISS ANYBODY? AND OF COURSE, MR. CROSS, IF YOU COULD PLEASE COME UP. I'D LIKE TO INVITE YOU UP NOW. I'M NOT SURE WHAT YEAR I WAS, BUT I'M IN THERE SOMEWHERE. RIGHT OVER HERE. AND THE MAYOR'S GOING TO HAVE THE PROCLAMATION. YES. YES. JUST A MOMENT. IF I COULD ASK FORMER COUNCIL MEMBER AND VICE MAYOR PRICE TO COME FORWARD AND DO A PERSONAL HISTORY OF SAM. NO. AS WE BEFORE WE PRESENT THE AWARD TO MR. CROSS. THANK YOU. MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. GOOD MORNING. I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF WORKING WITH SAM. NO HE USED TO SIT RIGHT WHERE COUNCILMAN PENNIMAN SITS. AND ONE OF MY FAVORITE MEMORIES ABOUT SAM WAS THAT HE WAS THE MOST THOUGHTFUL, SMARTEST PERSON THAT I EVER MET WHEN IT COMES TO PLANNING. AND ALL OF YOU CAN LOOK BACK. AND HE DID IT WITH A QUIET CONFIDENCE. HE WAS ALWAYS VERY KIND, AND HE USED TO SIT BACK. HIS CHAIR WOULD BE BACK ALMOST AGAINST THE WALL. AND I KNEW IF I MESSED UP BECAUSE SAM WOULD PULL HIS CHAIR FORWARD AND PUT ONE ARM. AND HE WAS NEVER UNKIND. HE JUST WOULD SAY THINGS SO CLEARLY AND SO THOUGHTFUL. THAT NEEDED TO BE SAID. AND HE DID IT WITH SUCH GRACE. AND SO HIS KINDNESS, AND I HOPE, INSPIRES ALL OF US IN OUR SERVANT'S HEART TO DO GREAT THINGS FOR THE CITY. AND HE CERTAINLY EPITOMIZES THAT, AS DO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN RECOGNIZED. [00:10:01] THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, IT'S A RESOLUTION OF THE NAPLES CITY COUNCIL HONORING JOHN CROSS AS THE 2026 RECIPIENT OF THE SAM NO AWARD AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. WHEREAS THE SAM NO AWARD WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2006 TO HONOR OUTSTANDING SERVICE BY A MEMBER OF THE CITY BOARD OF COMMITTEES IN THE MEMORY OF THE LATE SAM NO, WHO SERVED ON THE PLANNING BOARD FROM 2002 TO 2006. WHEREAS, IN ACCORDANCE TO THE GUIDELINES OF THE AWARD, THE CITY COUNCIL REVIEWED THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND SELECTED JOHN CROSS AS THE RECIPIENT OF THE AWARD FOR MARCH 4TH, 2026 REGULAR MEETING. NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF THE CITY OF NAPLES, THAT JOHN CROSS IS HEREBY SELECTED AS THE RECIPIENT OF THE SAMANO AWARD AND IS HONORED FOR HIS OUTSTANDING SERVICE AS A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD 2018 TO 2025. VICE CHAIR 2022 TO 2024 AND CHAIR FROM 2024 TO 2025. LET THIS RESOLUTION SHALL TAKE PLACE IMMEDIATELY UPON THE ADOPTION AND AS WE GRATEFULLY APPRECIATE YOUR SERVICE, SIR, I PRESENT YOU WITH THIS AWARD. IT'S A LITTLE HEAVY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'D LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS. I GUESS SO. MY SPEECH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I AM HONORED AND GRATEFUL FOR THIS AWARD, AS I AM FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE SERVED ON THE PAB. WE HAVE TO CARE FOR WHAT WE VALUE OR IT WILL BE GONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. IF YOU COULD GO UP FRONT. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU FOR HOLDING ON. KEEPING THE BOX WAS A GOOD IDEA. YES. WELL, I'LL GRAB THAT AS SOON AS I COULD. STAND RIGHT NEXT TO YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH DOWN HERE. AS WELL. OH, OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. CARTER. THAT'S RIGHT. CAN EVERYONE MOVE THIS WAY? A LITTLE BIT MORE. THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S PERFECT. OKAY, PERFECT. OKAY. GREAT. AND HOW CAN YOU BE SO SURE? OKAY, SO HERE WE GO. FINE. THANK YOU. HELLO. HELLO, HELLO. GOOD MORNING. JOHN. CONGRATULATIONS, SIR. YES. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. HOW ARE YOU? JOHN, THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WELL. WE'RE DOING A LOT OF STUFF. CONGRATULATIONS. WELCOME TO THE CLUB. GOOD TO SEE YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD TO SEE YOU. TAKE CARE. ALL RIGHT. SEE YOU SOON. JUST SO YOU KNOW, I WILL MAKE SURE. GET TOGETHER AND COMMISERATE. CONGRATULATIONS. OKAY, WITH THAT, WE HAVE OUR NEXT PROCLAMATION. [4.B) Proclamation for American Red Cross Month.] MR. JOHN MACKINNON FROM THE RED CROSS. IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD, PLEASE. THAT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. LET ME STAND RIGHT UP HERE WITH ME. [00:15:06] OKAY. IT'S MY HONOR TO PRESENT THIS PROCLAMATION. WHEREAS WE CELEBRATE THE AMERICAN RED CROSS MONTH BY RECOGNIZING THE COMPASSIONATE ACTS OF PEOPLE IN COLLIER COUNTY AND RENEWING THE COMMITMENT TO LEND A HELPING HAND TO OUR NEIGHBORS IN NEED. WHEREAS, SINCE CLARA BARTON FOUNDED THE RED CROSS MORE THAN 140 YEARS AGO AND 108 YEARS AGO IN SOUTH FLORIDA. GENERATION AFTER GENERATION HAS STEPPED UP TO DELIVER RELIEF AND CARE ACROSS OUR COMMUNITY, BRINGING THE BEST OF HUMANITY IN THE TIMES OF CRISIS. WHEREAS VOLUNTEERS ADVANCING THE NOBLE MISSION, WHO GIVE THEIR TIME UNWAVERINGLY TO THE COMMITMENT TO PREVENT AND ALLEVIATE HUMAN SUFFERING IN THE FACE OF TODAY'S EMERGENCIES. AND WHEREAS, WHETHER IT'S DELIVERING SHELTER, FOOD OR COMFORT DURING A DISASTER SUPPORTING SERVICE MEMBERS, VETERANS AND THEIR FAMILIES SAVING LIVES WITH FIRST AID, CPR, AED AND OTHER SKILLS, OR DELIVERING INTERNATIONAL AID AND RECONNECTING LOVED ONES SEPARATED BY GLOBAL CRISIS, VOLUNTEERING SELFLESSLY AND ANSWERING THE CALL TO HELP. WHEREAS, WE APPLAUD THE AMERICAN RED CROSS'S MISSION TO PREVENT AND ALLEVIATE THE HUMAN SUFFERING IN THE FACE OF EMERGENCIES AND OUR COMMUNITY DEPENDS ON THE AMERICAN RED CROSS, WHICH RELIES ON VOLUNTEERS AND THE GENEROSITY OF THE PUBLIC TO PERFORM ITS MISSION. NOW THEREFORE, I, TERESA HEITMAN, BY VIRTUE OF THE AUTHORITY VESTED IN ME AS THE MAYOR FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES, FLORIDA, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF MARCH AS THE AMERICAN RED CROSS MONTH. AND THE RED CROSS CERTAINLY HELPED US IN THE TIMES OF NEED. AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE'VE HAD THAT NEED IN THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS. SO THANK YOU, SIR. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS. SURE. THANK YOU. MAYOR HEITMAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH, COUNCIL, FOR ALLOWING ME TO COME HERE AND PRESENTING US THIS RECOGNITION AS MARCH IS BEING AMERICAN RED CROSS MONTH. AMERICAN RED CROSS IS VERY FORTUNATE TO BE ABLE TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY AND CARE FOR THOSE IN NEED, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE GREATEST OF DISASTERS AND CRISIS ARISES FROM OUR HOME. FIRE RESPONSE TO MAJOR RESPONSE TO HURRICANES AND TORNADOES, FLOODS AND WILDFIRES, WE'RE STANDING READY AT ALL TIMES TO RESPOND AND MEET THOSE NEEDS AS THEY COME. ONE OF THE AIMS, AND THIS IS ALL MADE POSSIBLE THROUGH OUR COLLABORATIVE PARTNERSHIPS, THROUGH EVEN FOLKS LIKE YOURSELVES, IS TO PREPARE OUR COMMUNITIES TO BE ABLE TO BE READY WHEN THOSE DISASTERS STRIKE AND REBOUND OR RECOVER IN THE AFTERMATH OF THOSE DISASTERS. AND WE DO THAT THROUGH A VARIETY OF WAYS, BUT IT'S ALL MADE POSSIBLE THROUGH COLLABORATIVE RELATIONSHIPS. AND OF COURSE, THE SUPPORT OF OUR VOLUNTEERS, WHICH COMPRISE 90% OF OUR WORKFORCE, NOT JUST HERE IN NAPLES, BUT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH AGAIN FOR THIS RECOGNITION AND FOR THE LONG STANDING RELATIONSHIP THAT WE HAVE WITH THE CITY OF NAPLES. THANK YOU. FOR COMING. OH, I THOUGHT YOU WERE JUST WALKING UP AND SAY HI. HELLO. OH, SURE. A LITTLE TOO MUCH. YEAH. ONE TWO. TWO. THREE TIMES. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. YES, THANK YOU, SIR, VERY MUCH. IF I COULD HAVE DOCTOR KERRI SHUMAN FROM THE CONSERVANCY COME FORWARD. [4.C) Conservancy of Southwest Florida Presentation regarding Nature Based Solutions delivered by Dr.Carrie Schuman, Climate Resilience Advisor. ] YOU GOT IT ALL. I THINK SO. PERFECT. THANK YOU. THANKS. GOOD MORNING. COUNCIL. SO I'M DOCTOR KERRI SHUMAN. I'M THE CLIMATE RESILIENCE ADVISOR AT THE CONSERVANCY OF SOUTHWEST FLORIDA. WE DID ASK FOR JUST A FEW MINUTES ON THE AGENDA PARTIALLY BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN DOING SOME WORK THAT WE THINK COULD BE OF INTEREST TO THE CITY. AND WE JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF SOME OF THE RESOURCES WE'VE DEVELOPED AND A PROJECT THAT WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT WE HOPE TO MAYBE AT SOME POINT BE ABLE TO SHARE THE OUTCOMES THAT COME FROM THAT. SO WHAT I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT TODAY IS JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE ON HOW WE THINK ABOUT SORT OF WHY WE'RE FOCUSED ON NATURE BASED SOLUTIONS, BUT ALSO WHY IT ALREADY CONNECTS INTO WHAT THE CITY IS DOING, THE GOOD WORK AND STRATEGIES THAT HAVE BEEN HAPPENING ON THE CITY. AND AND THEN JUST TO RUN THROUGH SOME OF THOSE RESOURCES FOR YOU. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK OUR OBVIOUSLY FROM THE CONSERVANCY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF INTEREST. [00:20:01] OUR WHOLE MISSION IS SEEING THESE NATURAL SYSTEMS PERSIST AND THRIVE. RIGHT? BUT I THINK WE ALSO RECOGNIZE THAT THEY REALLY DO HAVE A ROBUST ROLE. AND WE CAN CAPITALIZE ON THEIR NATURAL PROTECTION, RIGHT? WE'VE GOT A LOT OF REALLY IMPORTANT SYSTEMS THAT DO IMPORTANT THINGS FOR US. LIKE YOU REDUCING WIND AND WAVE ENERGY, GIVING US EXTRA STORAGE CAPACITY FOR WATER. SO WE DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT THESE END UP AT THE TABLE AS PART OF THE CONVERSATION. THEY'RE ALSO CONTRIBUTING A LOT OF CO-BENEFITS THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO OUR NATURE BASED ECONOMY, OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. BUT I THINK THE OTHER THING IS TO ALSO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE TRY AND TAKE A PRAGMATIC STANCE. SO WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS THE FACT THAT YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO AS AN ORGANIZATION TO TAKE A NO GRAY INFRASTRUCTURE ANYWHERE KIND OF APPROACH. I THINK WHAT WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT THOUGH, WHAT DOES BALANCED ADAPTATION LOOK LIKE? AND THAT WE USE HARD INFRASTRUCTURE THOUGHTFULLY AND WE'RE REALLY AWARE OF WHAT THE ENVIRONMENTAL, ECONOMIC, AND EVEN THE EQUITABILITY OF FLOOD PROTECTION TRADE OFFS MIGHT BE. AND JUST TO HIGHLIGHT WHERE THOSE EXISTING CONNECTIONS ALREADY ARE TO THE CITY'S WORK. I KNOW CITY STAFF HAS PRESENTED TO YOU A FRAMEWORK IN SOME PAST MONTHS THAT HAD SOME PILLARS THAT TALKED SORT OF GEOGRAPHICALLY ABOUT OFFSHORE, ONSHORE AND SORT OF MORE UPLAND. AND SO I THINK A LOT OF THE RESOURCES AND WORK WE'VE BEEN DOING FITS WELL INTO PILLARS TWO AND THREE MORE OF THAT ONSHORE AND OFFSHORE. WE, WE ALSO KNOW THAT IN YOUR ADAPTATION FRAMEWORK, THERE WAS, I BELIEVE IT WAS STRATEGY 19 THAT ACTUALLY WAS FOCUSED ON EXPLORING NATURE BASED SOLUTIONS FOR FLOODING. SO I THINK WE'RE HELPING TO CONTRIBUTE TO CHECKING THAT BOX WITH SOME OF OUR WORK. I DO THINK YOU KNOW, THE WAY TO THINK ABOUT THESE KINDS OF OPTIONS IS CONTRIBUTING TO MULTIPLE LINES OF DEFENSE. AND WHEN I SAY THAT, I MEAN, YOU HAVE TO LAYER A LOT OF STRATEGIES WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT BUILDING RESILIENCE. AND ALSO THAT DOES MEAN THAT WHATEVER OPTIONS THAT WE LOOK AT, INCLUDING THESE NATURE BASED SOLUTIONS, I WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T WANT TO FRAME THESE AS A MAGIC BULLET. WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO WE WANT TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT EXPECTATIONS. AND SO THAT IS ALSO BUT WE NEED TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT THE EXPECTATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH ANY OF OUR STRATEGIES THAT WE USE. I THINK THAT'S THE FACT THAT ALSO WE LIVE IN A VERY WATER DRIVEN STATE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET RID OF FLOOD RISK, BUT WE CAN REDUCE SOME OF THAT. WE CAN REDUCE SOME OF THE RESULTING DAMAGE. SO TRYING TO GIVE THAT IMPORTANT CONTEXT, I THINK. AND THE CITY ALREADY HAS SOME NATURE BASED SOLUTIONS INTEGRATED IN THE WORK THAT YOU DO. SO I THINK ABOUT YOUR URBAN FORESTRY PLAN, FOR EXAMPLE. SO I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PIECE. I THINK, FOR INSTANCE, ABOUT THE THE DUNE PLANTING WORK THAT I KNOW A LOT OF FOLKS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT THE CITY HAS BEEN PART OF WITH THE COUNTY, THE NAPLES BOTANICAL GARDEN AND FGCU, FOR EXAMPLE. SO JUST TO RUN SUPER BRIEFLY THROUGH OUR RESOURCES, WHAT I FORGOT TO INCLUDE IS, IS A NICE SORT OF SCREENSHOT OF OUR WEBSITE BECAUSE THE WAY WE SORT OF ORGANIZE IT. AND THE TWO PIECES THAT MIGHT BE OF MORE INTEREST TO TO YOU FOLKS WOULD BE, I THINK, SORT OF TWO TILES. WE'VE GOT ONE THAT GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT ABOUT WHAT WE'RE FACING IN OUR AREA. WITH THE CHANGE IN CLIMATE, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN IN TERMS OF WHAT WE SHOULD EXPECT FOR OUR LOCAL CLIMATE STORY? BUT THEN THERE'S A NATURE BASED SOLUTION TILE, AND THIS IS WHERE EVERYTHING WILL LIVE. THE FIRST, THE FIRST TWO TOOLS ARE REALLY BASED AROUND SHOWING YOU WHAT OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE DOING ACROSS THE STATE. I THINK WE'VE REALLY HEARD THAT THERE'S A LOT OF SUPPORT FOR MAKING SURE THAT NATURE BASED OPTIONS ARE AT THE TABLE, BUT THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THOSE LOOK LIKE AND WHAT THAT MEANS. SO I THINK THE FIRST PART WE THOUGHT WAS IMPORTANT WAS MAKING SURE PEOPLE UNDERSTOOD WHERE THESE ARE BEING USED, WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE. SO THE FIRST TOOL, THE FIRST RESOURCE WE'VE MADE IS AN INTERACTIVE TOOL. SO I THINK I'M FORTUNATELY NOT SEEING THE LASER POINTER, BUT I'LL JUST SORT OF POINT OUT WHAT I THINK MIGHT BE OF INTEREST HERE. SO THERE ARE SOME TABS ACROSS THE TOP. I THINK THE TABS ON BACKGROUNDS, OF COURSE ARE OF INTEREST, BUT I THINK THE REALLY IMPORTANT PIECES ARE THERE'S FOUR CATEGORIES RIGHT NOW OF CASE STUDIES. AND WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS IF YOU CLICK ON ANY OF THESE OPTIONS, IS YOU'RE GOING TO SEE SOME PROFILES OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF CASE STUDIES ACROSS THE STATE. WE OF COURSE HAVE SOME LOCAL EXAMPLES. WE'VE PULLED IN, FOR EXAMPLE, SOME OF THE GOOD WORK THAT THE NAPLES BOTANICAL GARDEN IS DOING, AND YOU'LL SEE SOME SHORT PROFILES AND SOME NICE PICTURES TO SHOW YOU WHAT THESE THINGS LOOK LIKE. OF MORE INTEREST TO THOSE WHO REALLY WANT TO DIG INTO THESE CASE STUDIES. WE'VE DEVELOPED THESE FACT SHEETS. AND WHAT THE FACT SHEETS WILL TELL YOU IS EACH OF THEM SORT OF PROFILE THESE CASE STUDIES IN MORE DETAIL. SO YOU REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT PROBLEMS THE PROJECTS WERE ADDRESSING, WHAT KINDS OF ELEMENTS WENT INTO THESE PROJECTS, [00:25:02] SOME OF THE LESSONS LEARNED FOR THE PRACTITIONERS WHO ARE DOING THESE AND SOME INFORMATION, FOR INSTANCE, ON FUNDING AND WHO THE PARTNERS WERE THAT GOT INVOLVED IN THESE. AND LASTLY, I DO WANT TO TELL YOU ABOUT A NAPLES SPECIFIC PROJECT THAT WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF. WE'RE GETTING CLOSER TO THE END OF IT. BUT WE ARE WORKING WITH CONSULTANTS TO EXPLORE SOME HIGH LEVEL NATURE BASED SOLUTION OPTIONS FOR WHAT WE WOULD SAY ARE CHARACTERISTIC AREAS OF NAPLES. WE USE THE WORD TYPOLOGIES, AND I'LL SHOW YOU IN A MAP WHAT THAT MEANS. BUT REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS TO SHOW THE COMMUNITY WHAT ARE SOME OPTIONS THAT MIGHT MAKE SENSE FOR OUR AREA BASED ON THE KINDS OF LOCATIONS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR CITY? I WILL SAY THIS IS MEANT TO BE A FOUNDATIONAL STEP IF THE IDEAS WILL BE TRANSFERABLE TO MULTIPLE AREAS. BUT IN ORDER TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT, YOU WILL NEED TO GO THROUGH FURTHER SITE SPECIFIC ASSESSMENT, ENGINEERING AND DESIGN. BUT THIS IS A REALLY GOOD WAY TO SHOW PEOPLE WHAT THIS COULD LOOK LIKE. AND AGAIN, TO, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ALSO MEANT TO HOPEFULLY LAYER WITH SOME OF THE CITY STRATEGIES AND ALSO MAYBE BE APPEALING TO SOME OF THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS AND TOWNS IN TOWN. SO THIS MAP JUST SHOWS YOU WHAT WE MEAN BY TYPOLOGY. SO YOU CAN SEE THE SHORELINES BROKEN DOWN INTO SOME DIFFERENT CLASSIFICATIONS. SO YOU CAN SEE IN GREEN THAT YOU HAVE MANGROVES AND NATURAL SHORELINE. WE HAVE BEACH AND DUNE SYSTEMS, PLACES WHERE YOU HAVE EXISTING RIPRAP, PLACES WHERE YOU HAVE EXISTING SEAWALL, AND THEN PLACES WHERE YOU HAVE THE EXISTING COMBO. SO THOSE ARE FIVE OF OUR CLASSIFICATIONS. THE LAST CLASSIFICATION WE HAVE IS WE ARE INCLUDING PUBLIC PARKS AS WELL. AND ESSENTIALLY I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE TOO MUCH TIME. I KIND OF WANT TO WRAP THINGS UP. BUT WHAT I WANT TO TELL YOU ABOUT IS KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROJECT IS THAT WE'RE DOING, WE'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT. AND WHAT WE'VE SHOWN PEOPLE SO FAR IS THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT YOU COULD SEE IN SOME OF THESE PLACES. THE IDEA IS THAT THOSE WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THESE CONCEPTS THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF MONTHS. SO THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHAT THAT WHAT THAT COULD LOOK LIKE. SO FOR EXAMPLE, THIS IS A MANGROVE SHORELINE. WE KNOW THAT MANGROVES ARE REALLY POWERFUL PROTECTION, THAT THEY SHOULD BE PART OF OUR, OUR THINKING IN TERMS OF RESILIENCE. AND SOME PLACES ARE MANGROVE SHORELINES ARE REALLY ROBUST. IN OTHER PLACES, WE HAVE ISSUES WITH, YOU KNOW, EROSION CAUSED BY STORMS, BOAT WAKES, AND WE WANT TO BOLSTER THOSE MANGROVE SHORELINES SO WE CAN BENEFIT FROM THOSE PROTECTION. SO THIS SHOWS THE KIND OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT YOU COULD USE POTENTIALLY ON THOSE SHORELINES THAT COULD HELP BOLSTER AND BREAK DOWN SOME OF THAT INCOMING WIND AND WAVE ENERGY THAT WOULD BE AFFECTING THOSE MANGROVES. SO YOU CAN SEE, FOR INSTANCE, ROCK CRIBS, REEF BALLS, REEF ARCHES, THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT YOU WOULD SEE IN A CONCEPT FOR THIS AREA. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IS THESE NICE, RESULTING, VERY VISUAL RENDERINGS TO SHOW PEOPLE IN A, IN A SITE WHAT THIS COULD LOOK LIKE. SO THIS EXAMPLE SHOWS YOU THE PAIRING OF LOTS OF DIFFERENT ELEMENTS WHERE YOU'RE BOLSTERING AN EXISTING MANGROVE SHORELINE. YOU'RE INCLUDING SOME FEATURES THAT PROTECT THAT MANGROVE SHORELINE. SO OYSTER BAGS, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT BE PULLING IN HAVE DIFFERENT STRATEGIES FOR PULLING IN AND BUILDING OYSTER REEFS THAT, YOU KNOW, IS A REALLY GOOD NATURAL PROTECTANT. YOU CAN SEE WE MAY BE GAINING SOME ECOSYSTEM SERVICES BY PUTTING IN SOME ARTIFICIAL TIDE POOLS, BUT YOU DO WANT TO PAIR THAT WITH OTHER THINGS LIKE ELEVATING THE MORE UPLAND LANDSCAPE THERE. YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT HAVING SALT TOLERANT BUFFER TO HELP, AGAIN, GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA RESILIENCE IN PLACES FOR WATER TO PERCOLATE. BUT YOU CAN SEE A LOT OF THESE THINGS CAN WORK WITH PUBLIC USE. AND SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WILL BE SHOWN ON THESE RENDERINGS. THIS IS JUST ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHAT A RENDERING COULD LOOK LIKE, AGAIN WITH DIFFERENT SORTS OF ELEMENTS. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH EACH TYPOLOGY, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS JUST TO SHOW YOU THAT THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT WILL COME FROM THIS PROJECT. WE OF COURSE, ARE NOTING, FOR INSTANCE, THAT THE GARDEN HAS ALREADY DONE GREAT WORK AROUND WHAT DUNE PLANTING LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT THEIR SCHEME WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE WILL BE CONCEPTS DEVELOPED FOR EACH OF THESE EACH OF THESE TYPOLOGIES. AND I THINK I JUST WANT TO COMPLETE BY SAYING A COUPLE THINGS. FIRST, WE WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE ARE HOLDING A PUBLIC WORKSHOP IN APRIL. THE IDEA THERE IS THAT THE CONCEPTS WILL BE FURTHER ALONG AND WE WANT TO GET PUBLIC FEEDBACK, UNDERSTAND HOW PEOPLE ARE RESPONDING TO THOSE ARE THEIR IMPORTANT POINTS OF FEEDBACK THAT WE HAVEN'T HEARD YET. AND WE HAVE, I WILL SAY THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING SOME TO CITY STAFF JUST TO GET SOME PERSPECTIVE ON THE PRACTICAL POINTS OF WHAT WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING AS WE DEVELOP THIS, BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS INFORMED AND USABLE. PARDON ME, THE PROJECT SHOULD BE COMPLETED BY JUNE. AND WE WILL START SHARING THOSE OUTCOMES IN THE FALL. AND WE HOPE THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, HOPEFULLY WHEN THIS PROJECT IS DONE. BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY SHARE THE OUTCOMES, POTENTIALLY WITH CITY COUNCIL AT A LATER DATE. [00:30:04] SO AGAIN, JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT WE'VE BEEN UP TO AND THAT WE DO THINK IT COMPLEMENTS A LOT OF THE GOOD WORK THE CITY HAS BEEN DOING AND HOPE WE CAN BE A RESOURCE. SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR FOR GIVING US AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO SPEAK WITH YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. COUNCIL DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. PENMAN. AND THEN VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR PRESENTING THIS MORNING. WE'RE ALWAYS GLAD TO HEAR FROM THE CONSERVANCY AND LEARN ABOUT YOUR WORK, BECAUSE I KNOW HOW DEDICATED YOU ARE. LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU INCLUDED OUR PARKS, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THAT'S A GOOD STARTING POINT FOR US PARTICULARLY. AND APPRECIATE THAT YOU'VE SHOWN US ALSO ITERATIONS THAT QUITE FRANKLY, I'M NOT SURE WE'VE SEEN BEFORE, WHICH IS ALSO VERY ENCOURAGING. AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE ONE OF MY REMARKS THAT A LOT OF WHAT YOU'RE SHOWING ALONG THE SHORELINE, OF COURSE HAS NATURAL GROWTH. AFTER THAT, WE UNFORTUNATELY HAVE RESIDENCES. SO THAT, AND I UNDERSTAND YOU DIDN'T DO THIS FOR US. BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, IS ONE PARTICULAR CONCERN. I REMEMBER WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT PUTTING UP WALLS YEARS AGO. GOOD HEAVENS, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. YOU'LL RUIN MY VIEW. I THINK A LOT OF THAT SENTIMENT IS PROBABLY CHANGED SOMEWHAT DRAMATICALLY. BUT THIS IS A GOOD PIECE OF WORK, AND I THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I'M PARTICULARLY INTERESTED IN WHAT SOME OF THE ITERATIONS YOU'VE SHOWN FOR OUR PARKS. SO THANK YOU. THANKS. WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. YES, THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE. THANK YOU TO THE CONSERVANCY FOR DOING THIS VALUABLE WORK. I'M SURE THE CITY WILL BE VERY INTERESTED IN YOUR OUTCOMES AND RECOMMENDATIONS AND HOW WE CAN IMPLEMENT THOSE. JUST CURIOUS, ARE YOU ALSO SHARING THIS WITH MARCO ISLAND? THE COUNTY EVEN UP INTO LEE COUNTY, I THINK. I THINK THAT THE GOAL REALLY WOULD BE BECAUSE I THINK THE IDEA. SO I THINK WE FOCUSED ON NAPLES PARTLY BECAUSE THE CITY REALLY HAS BEEN PROACTIVE IN THEIR RESILIENCE. AND NOT EVERY PIECE OF OUR LOCAL REGION HAS BEEN. SO THIS IS A REALLY GOOD PLACE, I THINK, TO FOCUS SOME EFFORT. I THINK YOU KNOW, I HEAR THE TERM A LOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BEING THAT EXAMPLE FOR OTHER PLACES. SO BUT I DO THINK A LOT OF THE KINDS OF IDEAS THAT ARE HERE WILL BE APPLICABLE TO OTHER PLACES, BUT IT PUTS IT IN, IN A SORT OF TOOL SO PEOPLE REALLY CAN SEE IT LAID OUT AND SORT OF PLANNED OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE STRATEGICALLY, INSTEAD OF JUST TALKING ABOUT WHAT THOSE OPTIONS WOULD BE. SO I THINK I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE BROADLY APPLICABLE. WE WOULD LIKE TO BRING IT TO OTHER PLACES. AND I GUESS THE ONE COMMENT I DO WANT TO SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL CONTINUE TO STRATEGIZE ABOUT WHAT OUR NEXT BEST STEPS ARE AND HOW WE LIKE OUR ROLE AS A SPECIFIC ORGANIZATION IS GOING TO MAKE SENSE IN SUPPORTING PEOPLE IN IMPLEMENTING THESE. AND WE CONTINUE TO KIND OF STRATEGIZE AROUND WHAT, WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN AND HOW WE CAN CONTINUE TO BE A RESOURCE. SO WE ARE THINKING ABOUT NEXT STEPS AND WHAT THAT WILL MEAN. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER CARL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE TO ME PERSONALLY TOO. IN YOUR OPINION, WHAT CAN BE DONE TO HELP INCREASE THE WATER QUALITY? AS WE LOOK AT OUR PLANNING, OUR CODES AND ALL THAT. ONE EXAMPLE I'M JUST LOOKING AT SLIDES IS RIPRAP. I MEAN, I HAVE A RIPRAP BEHIND MY HOUSE. I'M A BIG BELIEVER IN IT, BUT WE SEE A MIGRATION OF PEOPLE BECAUSE THERE ARE LOTS GOING TO BE BIGGER, RIGHT? SO THEY'RE GOING TO SEE. WALLS AND TEARING OUT. YOU KNOW ECO POSITIVE RIPRAP IN PLACE. SO EXAMPLES LIKE THAT. IS THERE SOMETHING IN YOUR MIND OFF ABOUT THAT. PARDON ME. I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU. I SO FIRST OF ALL, I WILL SAY THAT WE DO HAVE WATER QUALITY EXPERT ON STAFF AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY MY AREA OF EXPERTISE, BUT I HAVE A COUPLE THOUGHTS ON THIS, WHICH IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT IS REALLY DIFFICULT IN THIS CONVERSATION. AND, AND I DON'T HAVE LIKE CORNERED THE ANSWER ON THIS. I THINK WE STILL STRUGGLE WITH THIS IS THE FACT THAT WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE INCENTIVIZE AND MAKE HAVING, YOU KNOW, SOME NATURAL HABITAT STILL PRESENT ATTRACTIVE TO PEOPLE. AND WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO STILL GRAPPLE WITH ISSUES LIKE VIEWSHED AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT CAUSE SOME OF THIS PUSH AND PULL. I DO THINK, FOR INSTANCE, FROM A WATER QUALITY STANDPOINT, ONE THING THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS TO THINK ABOUT. THERE'S SORT OF A PERSPECTIVE ON STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SPECIFICALLY. I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WHERE WE DO HAVE A TENDENCY TO REALLY WANT TO SHUNT WATER OFF THE LANDSCAPE VERY QUICKLY. [00:35:03] THAT CAN BE REALLY PROBLEMATIC FROM A WATER QUALITY PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE I THINK THEN YOU HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY WHERE WATER IS PICKING UP THOSE POLLUTANTS, PUTTING THEM DIRECTLY INTO WATERSHEDS VERY QUICKLY. REALLY, A MORE BALANCED APPROACH IS TO THINK ABOUT STORAGE OF WATER SO THAT IT HAS A CHANCE TO PERCOLATE AND HAS A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH NATURAL SYSTEMS SO THAT THEY CAN HELP IMPROVE WATER QUALITY. THE OTHER ANGLE IS THAT BECAUSE WE'RE EXPERIENCING, WE'RE HAVING MORE EXTREMES, RIGHT? SO DROUGHT IS EXPECTED. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DROUGHT CURRENTLY. WE EXPECT THAT INTO OUR FUTURE. ALLOWING SOME WATER TO STAY ON THE LANDSCAPE IS PROBABLY ALSO GOING TO BE REALLY CRUCIAL TO OUR WATER SUPPLY BEING ABLE TO RECHARGE THE AQUIFER. SO ONE EXAMPLE IN THE NATURE BASED SPACE MAY BE REALLY STARTING TO CONTINUE TO THINK ABOUT HOW, FOR INSTANCE, OUR PARKS, OUR PUBLIC PARKS CAN GIVE US SOME OF THAT CAPACITY FOR RETURNING SOME OF THAT WATER TO THE LANDSCAPE AND FOR CONTRIBUTING POSITIVELY TO WATER QUALITY. SO WHAT'S YOUR OPINION ON, YOU KNOW, WE USED TO DEPEND A LOT ON RETENTION BASINS FOR WATER, AND NOW THEY'RE DOING MORE UNDERGROUND STORAGE AND UTILIZING MORE OF THE LOT OF WATER. DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON THAT? AGAIN, I'M GOING TO BE CAREFUL OF THAT BECAUSE I AM NOT NECESSARILY OUR WATER QUALITY EXPERT. YOU KNOW, WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT, FOR INSTANCE, LIKE STORMWATER PONDS, A LOT OF STUDY HAS BEEN DONE OVER TIME. THAT SUGGESTS IF YOU'RE NOT MONITORING THEM, WHAT YOU DON'T REALIZE IS SOMETIMES THEIR FUNCTION IS GOING DOWN OVER TIME, AND YOU ASSUME THEY'RE DOING MORE THAN THEY ARE, WHICH I KNOW SOME OF YOUR STAFF HAVE THINKS ABOUT. FOR INSTANCE, IN THE NATURAL RESOURCES DEPARTMENT, HOW DO WE SORT OF REFRESH THOSE STORMWATER PONDS? SO THEY'RE DOING A BETTER FUNCTION, DOING A BETTER JOB? SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I HAVE A REALLY FORMED OPINION, BUT I'LL JUST KIND OF SAY THAT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD OPTIONS OUT THERE. I SORT OF TRUST SOME OF OUR ENGINEERS AND OUR CITY STAFF TO HAVE GOOD PERSPECTIVE ON THAT. BUT ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO STORMWATER RETENTION, WE ALSO HAVE TO PROBABLY BE CHECKING IN AND MAKING SURE THINGS ARE FUNCTIONING LIKE WE THINK THEY ARE. I'LL JUST END LIKE, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU DO SHARE YOUR WORK WITH THE COUNTY AND AS MANY AREAS. MARCO. AND EVEN OUTSIDE IN LEE COUNTY BECAUSE YOU KNOW, OUR COASTAL WETLANDS, I THINK ARE INTERIOR WETLANDS HAVE HAD SOME THREAT. CERTAINLY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESSES GOING ON. SO I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT ISSUE. YEAH. ONCE THE DAMAGE IS DONE, IT'S DONE. YES. YEAH. IT'S A PROBLEM. NO, WE REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE PERSPECTIVES EVERYBODY SHARED TODAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I DO YOU HAVE A PERSPECTIVE OR ANY STUDIES OR ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SEAWALLS AND RIPRAP. WE KNOW RIPRAP IS OBVIOUSLY BETTER FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. WELL, SO ONE THING I DIDN'T MAKE A POINT OF I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S THE THING IS THAT RIPRAP, IT DEPENDS ON THE CONDITIONS AT A SITE. SO RIPRAP COULD BE A REALLY GOOD SUBSTRATE FOR THINGS TO RECRUIT, YOU KNOW, FOR MANGROVES. AGAIN, WE HAVE SOME OF THAT PUSH AND PULL BETWEEN PEOPLE TRYING TO KEEP THAT VIEW AND THEIR PERSPECTIVE ON, ON WHAT THEY VALUE. SEAWALLS CAN BE AGAIN, WE DIDN'T WANT TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE SAY, YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF SEAWALLS IN NAPLES THAT THE HORSE IS ALREADY KIND OF OUT OF THE BARN, SO TO SPEAK. BUT ONE THING TO THINK ABOUT WITH SEAWALLS AND THAT I THINK WILL COME OUT OF THIS, IS THAT IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES TO CREATE GROWTH OF, OF AQUATIC LIFE ON THEIR. THERE'S MULTIPLE BENEFITS, RIGHT? THERE'S ECOSYSTEM SERVICE BENEFITS, OF COURSE, THAT WE WANT. BUT THE OTHER THING AND I MEAN, CITY WILL STAFF WILL TELL YOU THAT OUTFITTING SOME OF THE SEA WALLS WITH THINGS LIKE LIVING SEA WALL OPTIONS, IT'S COMPLICATED. IT CAN BE EXPENSIVE. IT CAN BE A LITTLE TOUGH TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO THAT. IT MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE EVERYWHERE, BUT WHEN YOU GET THAT MORE COMPLEX STRUCTURE ON A SEA WALL, THERE ARE SOME STUDIES SUGGESTING THAT INSTEAD OF REFLECTING WAVE ENERGY STRAIGHT DOWN TO THE SEA FLOOR, WHERE YOU GET A LOT OF SCOUR, WHICH BOTH CAUSES ENVIRONMENTAL PROBLEMS BUT ALSO CAUSES PROBLEMS FOR THE SEA WALL OVER TIME. IF YOU GET SOME STRUCTURE ON THAT WALL, YOU YOU CHANGE HOW THAT WALL WILL. IT'LL TEND TO DISPERSE WAVE ENERGY A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, WHICH IS GOING TO BE BETTER FOR THE LIFE OF THE SEA WALL TO OVER TIME. SO THERE CAN BE WAYS WHERE YOU CAN GET SOME ADVANTAGES AND SORT OF OUTFIT THOSE OPTIONS. SO DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON THE HEIGHTS OF SEA SEAWALLS. FOR THOSE WHO DO HAVE SEAWALLS AND WE'RE INVESTIGATING A. RAISING THE HEIGHT. SURE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S. COME BEFORE CITY COUNCIL, AND I THINK. YOU'RE GOING TO FIND OUT OF OUR STUDY. WE ARE GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT YOU RAISE SEAWALL HEIGHT. SO I THINK IF YOU HAVE SEAWALLS. BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE DEALING WITH THE FACT THAT WE ALREADY HAVE A LOT OF HARD INFRASTRUCTURE BETTER TO [00:40:01] HAVE HARD INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS APPROPRIATELY ADAPTED TO FUTURE CONDITIONS THAN HAVE SEAWALLS THAT WOULD BE CONTINUALLY OVERTOPPED. THAT'S WHERE FROM AN ENVIRONMENTAL STANDPOINT, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES, BUT ALSO JUST FROM A PROTECTIVE STANDPOINT. SO I DO THINK YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THAT WE WOULD INCLUDE SOMETHING THAT WOULD REITERATE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION THAT CAME FROM THE SEAWALL STUDY THAT A AECOM COMPLETED. OKAY, PERFECT. AND WITH THE MANGROVES CAN YOU UPDATE US ON WHO IS PERMITTING AND MANAGING MANGROVES THESE DAYS? SO AGAIN, SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS START TO GET INTO AREAS THAT I'M NOT QUITE AS AS VERSED IN. YOU KNOW, I KNOW FTP REALLY IS IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF MANGROVE MANAGEMENT. SO I THINK STILL, YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THE PURVIEW OF FTP BEING INVOLVED PERMITTING. OF COURSE, IT GETS SO COMPLICATED DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING THINGS. SO YES, IT'S FTP, BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU STATE LEVELS OF REVIEW, MAYBE ARMY CORPS LEVELS OF REVIEW. SO, SO YES, FROM A MANGROVE STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, I KNOW FTP IS INVOLVED, BUT I KNOW THAT PICTURE GETS COMPLICATED. SO I WILL SAY THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT WE ARE THINKING ABOUT IS, IS THERE WAYS THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THE PRACTICALITY OF PERMITTING THESE OPTIONS? WE HAVE A GOOD CONSULTING FIRM WHO REALLY HAS A REALLY GOOD HANDLE ON THE REGULATORY AND PERMITTING FRAMEWORK, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT PEACE IS REALLY IMPORTANT. AND AS FAR AS OYSTER BEDS, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE HEALTH OF OUR OYSTER BEDS AND WHAT WE COULD BE DOING BETTER TO. ENHANCE OUR PROGRAM? I, I'M PROBABLY NOT GOING TO WEIGH IN TOO HEAVILY WITH THAT. I MEAN, I THINK THAT THE CHALLENGES FOR OYSTERS ARE PROBABLY THE, THE SAME CHALLENGES THAT YOU'RE SEEING FOR A LOT OF OUR OTHER SYSTEMS, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THEY ARE POSITIVE FOR WATER QUALITY, BUT THERE IS A CERTAIN POINT WHERE BAD WATER QUALITY OVERWHELMS THEIR ABILITY TO DO WHAT THEY DO. BOAT WAKES ARE CERTAINLY AN ISSUE. SO I STILL WOULD DEPEND ON CITY STAFF WHO ARE OUT THERE LOOKING AT CONDITIONS YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF WHERE YOU PUT OYSTER REEFS TO, THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A REALLY GOOD PERSPECTIVE ON WHILE OYSTER REEFS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO THRIVE EVERYWHERE. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REALLY THINK ABOUT WHERE YOU HAVE A GOOD SOURCE OF OYSTERS, FAT, FOR INSTANCE, WHICH IS YOUR JUVENILE OYSTERS TO KIND OF HELP GET THOSE REEFS GOING. AND YOU HAVE TO THINK ABOUT WHERE ARE THE CONDITIONS WHERE THOSE ARE GOING TO THRIVE? SO I WOULD PROBABLY MOSTLY DEFER TO, TO CITY STAFF WHO ARE REALLY SPENDING THE TIME OUT THERE UNDERSTANDING THE BEST SITES FOR FOR OYSTERS. WE'LL DEFINITELY GET AN UPDATE. AND THEN WAS THERE A CHANGE TO THE FREEDOM PARK WATER FLOW STRUCTURES THAT I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, WE KNOW THAT FREEDOM PARK IS A REALLY INTERESTING EXAMPLE OF, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME, THEY'VE DONE A LOT OF REALLY INTERESTING, THAT'S A GOOD NATURE BASED SOLUTION EXAMPLE BECAUSE OF THE FACT IT WAS A CITRUS GROVE AND THEN IT WAS TURNED INTO, YOU KNOW IT'S, IT'S GOT SORT OF A FORESTED COMPONENT AND THE WETLAND COMPONENT. SO I KNOW THAT'S A REALLY, THAT DOES A GOOD JOB OF OF TREATING STORMWATER, BUT I'M NOT TOO FAMILIAR IF THERE'S BEEN SOMETHING SPECIFIC TO THE FLOW. WELL, I HOPE IF YOU'RE DOING ANY EDUCATION ON BOATING WE'VE HAD MANY REQUESTS ON BOATING SAFETY. AND EDUCATING ALL THE NEW MARINAS THAT ARE COMING DOWN THE WATERWAYS TO THE LAKE AND BOATING SAFETY. SO IF YOU DO ANY EDUCATION PROGRAMS LIKE THAT, PLEASE KEEP US IN MIND. OKAY. THAT'S AN INTERESTING POINT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR FOR AGAIN, EVERYBODY'S ATTENTION AND THE GOOD QUESTIONS. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. OH, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ, SERVE A COMMENT. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE PELICAN BAY SERVICES DISTRICT, WORKING WITH CLAM BAY AND THE THE EFFORTS THAT THEY HAVE UNDERTAKEN NOW SINCE JUST IN THE LAST FOUR MONTHS TO RESTORE THE MANGROVES AND THE DUNES THERE IN A NATURE BASED WAY. I THINK IT WAS VERY THOUGHTFUL AND WELL PUT TOGETHER. SORRY IT TOOK SO LONG TO GET THERE, BUT WE'RE THERE NOW, I THINK, AND YOU MIGHT WANT TO GO TAKE A LOOK AT THE ACHIEVEMENT THAT HAS BEEN DONE TO TRY TO BRING CLAM BAY BACK. I APPRECIATE THAT. WE CERTAINLY SHOULD TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE. YEAH. GREAT. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. TAKE CARE. OKAY. WITH THAT, WE ARE MOVING TO ITEM FIVE PUBLIC COMMENTS. [5) PUBLIC COMMENTS] MADAM CLERK, I HAVE ONE PUBLIC SPEAKER. OKAY. GARY PRICE. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR COUNCIL. GOOD MORNING. REALLY GRATEFUL FOR THE WAY WE STARTED TODAY WITH THE SAM NO AWARD. AND I THINK HIS SPIRIT IS IN ALL OF US. AND I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO TELL KRIS RYKER AND CAROL MCCANN THAT OUR HEARTS ARE WITH THEM. [00:45:09] I CAN'T THINK OF THREE BETTER REPRESENTATIVES OF OUR CITY, AND I KNOW THEY'RE HURTING, AND THEY MEANT A LOT TO ME, AND THEY MEANT A LOT TO OUR CITY. SO WITH THAT, SAM, NO SPIRIT. I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT I REALLY DIDN'T PLAN ON COMING UP HERE TODAY. I ONLY CAME IN TO CELEBRATE MR. CROSS, BUT I WATCHED. THANKFULLY, SOMEONE SHARED WITH ME UNDER WEDNESDAY'S CORRESPONDENCE COMMUNICATION. A CALL TO ACTION TO PUT AN AGENDA ITEM ON TODAY AND TALKED ABOUT THE HOUSE BILL 405. THERE'S NO WAY THAT I'LL BE ABLE TO BE BACK HERE BY WHATEVER TIME IT IS. AND WE'RE BUSY RUNNING OUR BUSINESS AND DOING THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO, TAKE CARE OF OUR FAMILY. BUT I COULDN'T I COULDN'T LET IT GO WITHOUT COMING UP HERE AND SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WHEN THERE ARE MATTERS OF CRITICAL PUBLIC IMPORTANCE TO HAVE IT ADDED ON MONDAY AND TO HAVE IT HAVE A LETTER ALREADY GOING OUT FROM THE CITY MANAGER WITH NO PUBLIC INPUT UNTIL TODAY, WHATEVER TIME THAT IS. I THINK THAT'S IRRESPONSIBLE. MANY OF YOU SAID IN YOUR IN YOUR COMMUNICATIONS THAT WE WANT MORE PUBLIC INPUT. WELL, IN ORDER TO GET PUBLIC INPUT, YOU HAVE TO ASK FOR IT AND YOU HAVE TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. AND SO I UNDERSTAND THE TIMELINESS OF THE CONVERSATION. I UNDERSTAND AND RESPECT THAT. BUT I ALSO WANTED TO SAY THAT I HEARD SOME COMMENTS IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THIS BILL AND WHAT IT DOES TO OUR CITY. AND THE OTHER PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT HASN'T BEEN HAD PUBLICLY IS HOW WE GOT HERE. WHAT ARE THE CAUSE AND EFFECT OF HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT, AND WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF THE CITY COUNCIL? SELF-INFLICTED WOUNDS WHEN IT COMES TO THE AIRPORT. THE CITY COUNCIL APPOINTED PEOPLE THAT SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN APPOINTED. THEY MADE BAD DECISIONS FOR OUR CITY, FOR THE AIRPORT. THEY DECLINED TO TAKE FAA GRANTS. THAT'S QUICK. AND WE CAN'T HAVE THOSE KIND OF PEOPLE REPRESENTING US. AND UNFORTUNATELY, THIS HOME RULE THING IS HOME RULE IS NOT UNCONDITIONAL. YOU HAVE TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS ON OUR BEHALF, AND I HOPE THAT YOU ALWAYS WILL. BUT WHEN IT COMES TO TRYING TO UNDO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE, THE DAMAGE THAT'S BEEN DONE UNFORTUNATELY, THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN SAID, BUT THAT'S THE REAL REASON. THE CITY COUNCIL IS THE REASON FOR THIS PROBLEM. IT'S NOT THE STATE GOVERNMENT. IT'S NOT THEM LOOKING FOR A FIGHT AND CHALLENGING HOME RULE. WHEN YOU CREATE PROBLEMS FOR US AND REPRESENTING US, THESE ARE THE RESULTS. I'M NOT A FAN OF IT. I THINK YOU PROBABLY ALL KNOW THAT I'VE BEEN RECOGNIZED TWICE AS A HOME RULE HERO FOR FIGHTING FOR OUR RIGHTS, AND I HOPE THAT YOU ALL GET THE SAME OPPORTUNITY. BUT YOU CAN'T DO IT UNCONDITIONALLY, AND IT'S NOT GIVEN UNCONDITIONALLY. SO HOPEFULLY YOU'LL FIND A BETTER PATH THAN SUING THE STATE OVER THESE THINGS THAT YOU CAUSED. AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN FIND A WAY TO MAKE BETTER DECISIONS IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. PRICE. I JUST WILL SAY MY PERSONAL IS I ADAMANTLY DISAGREE WITH YOU IN THE FACT THAT THE PUBLIC HAS HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK UP ABOUT THIS, AND WE DO APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. BUT WE DO HAVE AN OBLIGATION AS CITY COUNCIL TO PROTECT OUR STAND ON ON WHERE WE HAVE BEEN AND MAKE THE RECORD CLEAR. SO THANK YOU. NO FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. WE ARE GOING TO APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. [APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA] OKAY. MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER BY VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. I HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. OPPOSED. THANK YOU. COUNCIL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY AND TAKES US TO END OF THE CONSENT TO ITEM NINE. THERE ARE NONE PUBLIC. PUBLIC HEARINGS. TAKES US TO ITEM TEN BOARDS AND COMMITTEES. [10.A) Consider Appointments to Various Boards and Committees.] MRS. RAMOS. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. SO THIS MORNING WE HAVE VARIOUS APPOINTMENTS. BUT PRIOR TO DOING THAT, I'D LIKE TO JUST REVIEW THE GUIDELINES FOR APPOINTMENTS THAT WAS SET BY THE CITY COUNCIL BY RESOLUTION FOR OUR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND THOSE PROCEDURES ARE WE START WITH IF THERE'S ONE APPLICANT FOR ONE VACANCY, THE APPOINTMENT OF THE APPLICANT SHALL BE MADE BY MOTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL. AND THAT'S PRETTY EASY. MORE THAN ONE APPLICANT FOR ONE VACANCY. WE DO A BALLOT VOTE AND IT SHALL BE CONDUCTED IN WHICH EACH COUNCIL MEMBER VOTES FOR ONE APPLICANT. [00:50:03] THE APPLICANT RECEIVING VOTES FROM A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL MEMBERS PRESENT AND VOTING SHALL BE IDENTIFIED AS THE SELECTED APPLICANT. THE APPOINTMENT OF THE APPLICANT SHALL BE MADE BY MOTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL, AND IT'S PRETTY SIMILAR FOR THE EXISTING COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THE SAME MANNER THAT WE HAVE DONE PREVIOUSLY BY APPOINTING. BY CERTIFYING THE BALLOT AND THEN APPOINTING THE INDIVIDUAL BY MOTION. WHEN THERE'S MORE THAN ONE VACANCY AND THE NUMBER OF APPLICANTS EXCEEDS THE NUMBER OF VACANCIES, A BALLOT VOTE SHALL BE CONDUCTED, WHICH EACH COUNCIL MEMBER VOTES FOR THEIR TOP APPLICANTS TO NARROW THE FIELD AND NO RANKING ORDER. THE TOP APPLICANTS SHALL BE THE SAME NUMBER OF VACANCIES CURRENTLY PRESENT. FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE ARE TWO VACANCIES, THEN THE FIELD SHALL BE NARROWED TO TWO APPLICANTS. IF THERE ARE THREE, THEN THREE VACANCIES, THEN THE FIELD SHALL BE NARROWED TO THREE APPLICANTS. THE APPOINTMENT OF THE SELECTED APPLICANTS SHALL BE MADE BY SEPARATE MOTION OF THE CITY COUNCIL, AND IF A TIE OCCURS AT ANY STAGE OF BALLOTING, ADDITIONAL BALLOT VOTES SHALL BE CONDUCTED AMONG THE TIED APPLICANTS UNTIL THE FIELD IS NARROWED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS PROCEDURE AND THEN ALTERNATE MEMBER VACANCIES WILL BE DONE SEPARATELY. SO STARTING WITH WHAT DO YOU MEAN ALTERNATE? SO WE'RE NOT COMBINING REGULAR APPOINTMENTS WITH ALTERNATES. SO WE'RE STICKING TO JUST APPOINTMENTS OF REGULAR MEMBERS. AND THEN APPOINTMENTS TO ALTERNATE POSITIONS WILL BE DONE SEPARATELY IN THE SAME MANNER AS WE APPOINT REGULAR MEMBERS. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO OUR FIRST APPOINTMENT TODAY IS FOR THE AUDITOR SELECTION COMMITTEE. WE HAVE TWO APPLICANTS AND WE HAVE TWO OPENINGS. AND ONE IS WELL, THEY'RE BOTH FOR THE SAME TERM COMMENCING TODAY, MARCH 18TH. AND THESE POSITIONS WILL CONTINUE UNTIL THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES A CONTRACT WITH THE SELECTED CERTIFIED PUBLIC ACCOUNTING FIRM. AND IT'S YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THE APPLICANTS AT THIS TIME. AND FOR THIS ONE WE HAVE TWO APPLICANTS AND TWO POSITIONS. SO THIS ONE CAN BE DONE BY MOTION OF COUNCIL. OKAY. FOR DISCUSSION VICE MAYOR. I THOUGHT BOTH WERE VERY QUALIFIED AND ABLE TO SERVE. SO I MOVE THAT WE APPOINT DANIEL BARONE AND JOSEPH MURRAY TO THE AUDITOR SELECTION COMMITTEE, WITH THE TERMS COMMENCING IMMEDIATELY AND CONTINUING UNTIL THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES A CONTRACT WITH THE APPROPRIATE PUBLIC ACCOUNTING FIRM. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER. DO I NEED TO DO A ROLL CALL? YES. I KNOW YOU CAN, BUT. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNED BY I, I OPPOSED. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NEXT IS THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE FIREFIGHTERS RETIREMENT TRUST FUND. YOU HAD AN APPLICANT, HOWARD WEISS, WHO INTERVIEWED ON MONDAY. AND THERE'S ONE POSITION AND THE TERM WOULD BE A TWO YEAR TERM COMMENCING MARCH 18TH AND EXPIRING MARCH 17TH OF 2028. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION FOR HOWARD WEISS. THERE YOU GO. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KROL AND SECOND, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNED BY I. AYE. OPPOSED? THANK YOU. COUNCIL. NEXT IS THE BOARD OF TRUSTEES OF THE POLICE OFFICERS RETIREMENT TRUST FUND. CITY COUNCIL INTERVIEW JOHN PLUTA ON MONDAY. AND THERE'S ONE VACANCY. AND THIS IS TO APPOINT FOR A CITY RESIDENT FOR A TWO YEAR TERM COMMENCING MARCH 18TH, 2026 AND EXPIRING MARCH 17TH, 2028. I'LL MOVE TO APPOINT JOHN PLUTA TO THE BOARD OF POLICE OFFICERS VACANCY. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER KROL. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNED BY I. I OPPOSED. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. NEXT IS THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD. WE HAD APPLICANT HENRY JOHNSON APPLY FOR A REGULAR TERM, AND HE WAS INTERVIEWED BY CITY COUNCIL ON MONDAY AND THAT TERM IS A REGULAR TERM COMMENCING MARCH 18TH, 2026 AND EXPIRING MARCH 17TH OF 2029. OH, CAN I JUST ONE QUESTION? HE IS AN ALTERNATE. HE'S AN ALTERNATE CURRENTLY. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PLACE HENRY JOHNSON CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD FOR A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER KRAUSE FOR HENRY JOHNSON. [00:55:08] SECOND, A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER. ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNED BY I OPPOSED. THANK YOU. COUNCIL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. NEXT IS THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY ADVISORY BOARD. CITY COUNCIL ONLY INTERVIEWED ONE APPLICANT ON MONDAY AND THAT WAS LEE DAVIDSON. AND SO WE WOULD NOT NEED A BALLOT. WE HAD NO OTHER INTERVIEWS. SO THIS WOULD BE FOR A REGULAR MEMBER FOR THE BALANCE OF THE TERM COMMENCING MARCH 18TH, 2026 AND EXPIRING JANUARY 23RD, 2027. AND THIS WOULD BE TO FILL OUT HIS TERM. AND THE OTHER CANDIDATE WAS THERE A REASON GIVEN FOR NOT SHOWING OR WITHDRAWING? I DO NOT KNOW. AND BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE WILL HAVE OTHERS COMING BACK AT THE NEXT MONTH FOR INTERVIEWS FOR THE CODE FOR THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY, TOO. SO OKAY. OKAY. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION FOR LEE DAVIDSON FOR THAT. I HAVE A MOTION FOR LEE DAVIDSON FOR THE BOARD. SECOND. I HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNED BY I. I OPPOSED. THANK YOU. COUNCIL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. NEXT IS THE EAST NAPLES BAY CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE. THE CITY COUNCIL INTERVIEWED THREE APPLICANTS GARY GREGG, CURRENT MEMBER JOSEPH MURRAY AND RICHARD SHANAHAN, A CURRENT ALTERNATE. AND WE ARE GOING TO DISTRIBUTE A BALLOT FOR CITY COUNCIL TO VOTE ON THE TWO REGULAR MEMBERS FIRST. AND THEN IF THERE WILL BE INTERESTED IN APPOINTING THE THIRD PERSON AS THE ALTERNATE, YOU COULD DO THAT TODAY AS WELL. OKAY. AND THIS IS YOUR OPPORTUNITY TO TO DISCUSS THOSE THREE APPLICANTS THAT YOU INTERVIEWED. COUNCIL DISCUSSIONS. I KNOW GARY, GARY, GREG'S BEEN ON THE ON THE BOARD FOR QUITE SOME TIME. VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE, WILLING TO SERVE. STILL IN THAT CAPACITY. AND HE'S FOUND THEM TO BE REALLY. HE LIVES THERE, KNOWS, KNOWS THE AREA REALLY WELL. SO SHE WANTS. SO FOR CLARIFICATION, THE THIRD WITH THE MOST VOTES WOULD BE THE ALTERNATE. OR YOU WOULD VOTE ON THAT SEPARATELY. OKAY. SO WE VOTE FOR TWO AT THIS POINT. SO YOU'RE VOTING FOR TWO, CORRECT. AND ARE WE VOTING OUR NUMERICAL PREFERENCE OR JUST YOUR TOP HIGHEST. OKAY. TOP HIGHEST. YES. JUST A CHECK, CHECK, CHECK, CHECK FOR YOUR TWO. SOMETHING IDENTIFYING. OKAY. SMILEY FACE. WELL, THAT DOESN'T MAKE. YOU. OKAY. I WILL NOW ENTER THE VOTES. THE FIRST VOTE. MAYOR HEITMANN. I HAVE GREG AND OH ONE. SORRY. SHANAHAN. VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP, I HAVE GREG AND SHANAHAN. PENMAN. MURRAY AND SHANAHAN. SCHULTZ. GREG AND MURRAY. KRAMER. GREG [01:00:10] AND SHANNON. BARTON. GREG. AND SHANNON. KROL. GREG AND MARY. OKAY. ACCORDING TO THE RESULTS ON THE BALLOT, THE HIGHEST WAS GARY. GREG. THE SECOND HIGHEST WAS RICHARD SHANAHAN. OKAY. AND THE FIRST MOTION THEN WOULD BE TO CERTIFY THE BALLOT. AND THEN WE COULD HAVE TWO MOTIONS AFTER THAT. BUT IF YOU WANT TO CERTIFY THE BALLOT FIRST, I'LL GUIDE YOU THROUGH THE NEXT TWO MOTIONS. MOTION TO CERTIFY THE BALLOT. SO MOVED. SECOND MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER AND SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER KINNAMON. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. THANK YOU. MOVING TO THEN THE NEXT MOTION WOULD BE TO APPOINT GARY GREGG AS A REGULAR MEMBER FOR A THREE YEAR TERM COMMENCING MARCH 22ND, 2026 AND EXPIRING MARCH 21ST, 2029. COUNCIL. MOTION BY COUNCIL. BY VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP. SECOND. SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNED BY. AYE. OPPOSED? THANK YOU. NEXT MOTION WOULD BE TO APPOINT RICHARD SHANAHAN AS A REGULAR MEMBER FOR THE BALANCE OF A THREE YEAR TERM COMMENCING MARCH 18TH, 2026 AND EXPIRING JUNE 18TH, 2027. YES, SIR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT RICHARD SHANAHAN AS THE ALTERNATE FOR THIS BOARD AS OF RIGHT. OH, WAIT. REGULAR OR ALTERNATE, RIGHT. HE'S A REGULAR. I'M SORRY, I MEANT I MEANT LET ME TRY THAT AGAIN. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPOINT RICHARD SHANAHAN AS A REGULAR MEMBER FOR THIS BOARD. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CRAMER. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. THANK YOU. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. AND THEN, IF COUNCIL DESIRES, YOU COULD APPOINT AN ALTERNATE MEMBER FOR A THREE YEAR TERM COMMENCING MARCH 22ND, 2026 AND EXPIRING MARCH 21ST, 2029. MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPOINT JOSEPH MURRAY AS THE ALTERNATE MEMBER FOR THIS THREE YEAR TERM. MOTION FOR JOSEPH MURRAY FOR ALTERNATE OF EAST NAPLES BAY AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ. ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNED BY I OPPOSED. THANK YOU. COUNCIL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. MOVING NEXT IS THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. CITY COUNCIL INTERVIEWED JOE BLANK OR GARY COOPER, A CURRENT ALTERNATE MEMBER. SALLY PETERSON AND RAYMOND PETRENKO ON MONDAY. AND THIS IS FOR ONE PARTIAL TERM WHICH EXPIRES APRIL 30TH OF 2028. I WILL DISTRIBUTE THE BALLOTS AND THE SAME PROCESS OF DISCUSSING THE APPLICANTS. SO, MRS. RAMOS, BEFORE WE DISCUSSED THIS YESTERDAY AT CHARTER ALL CANDIDATES WERE OR APPLICANTS WERE INFORMED THAT THIS WAS TO FULFILL A TERM. PARTIAL TERM. PARTIAL TERM BEING TWO YEARS PARTIAL TERM FROM MARCH OF 26 TO APRIL OF 28. SO JUST A LITTLE OVER TWO. OKAY. AND THE TERMS ARE THREE YEARS. YES. AND WE HAVE CANDIDATES OR APPLICANTS FOR THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD IN APRIL. CORRECT? YES. SO WE HAVE A COUPLE MEMBERS THAT WILL THEY'RE TURNING OUT AND THOSE INTERVIEWS WILL BE COMING TO YOU IN APRIL. FOR APPOINTMENT IN APRIL AND FOR THOSE WILL BE FOR FULL THREE YEAR TERM FOR FULL THREE YEAR TERMS. RIGHT? OKAY. AND IF YOU'RE CURRENT, JUST FOR INSTANCE, IF YOUR CURRENT ALTERNATE IS APPOINTED AS A REGULAR MEMBER. THAT WOULD OPEN UP ANOTHER POSITION FOR THE ALTERNATE THAT WE WOULD ADVERTISE FOR AND BRING BACK CANDIDATES AT A AT A FUTURE DATE, AND NOT AT THIS MEETING, THE SAME DATE FOR IN APRIL, WE WILL GET THE THE [01:05:11] MEMBERS THE NEW MEMBERS AND THE ALTERNATE. RIGHT. OKAY. IF THAT WERE THE SCENARIO. SO THANK YOU. GOT A QUESTION? YES. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ. WOULD MR. COOPER HAVE TO RESIGN HIS POSITION TO SEEK THE FULL TIME SPOT FROM THE ALTERNATE TO THE REGULAR? I'LL LET MR. MCCONNELL, BUT NO. IN SHORT NO, NOT FORMALLY. I MEAN, BY MOTION, HE WOULD BECOME A REGULAR MEMBER FOR THE TERM, AND THEN HIS ALTERNATE MEMBERS WOULD JUST BECOME VACANT. NO PROBLEM. SO WE'RE VOTING FOR ONE. SO WE'RE VOTING FOR ONE. YEAH. MADAM MAYOR, IF I COULD JUST MAKE A COMMENT. THIS IS VERY TOUGH BECAUSE, YES, IT IS FOR HIGHLY QUALIFIED, REALLY GOOD CANDIDATES. YES, IT'S A TOUGH CHOICE. I MIGHT ALSO ADD TO THAT FOR SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T GET SELECTED TODAY, THEY STILL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO COME INTERVIEW NEXT MONTH FOR. AND THE OTHER POSITION, WE HAVE TO RE-INTERVIEW THEM AGAIN JUST A MONTH LATER OR WE CAN STILL CONSIDER THEM IN THE IN THE MIX. THAT WOULD BE UP TO COUNCIL'S DECISION. OKAY. THANK YOU. OBVIOUSLY, IF THEY THE THREE WHO AREN'T CHOSEN TODAY, I HOPE THEY STILL WILL REAPPLY FOR THIS OR WE HAVE OTHER COMMITTEES AND BOARDS WHERE WE NEED GOOD PEOPLE TOO. SO I HOPE THAT THEY'LL CONSIDER STAYING INVOLVED. THANK YOU. KRAMER. YES. ANY DISCUSSION? I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT THE VICE MAYOR SPEAKS FOR ALL OF US, THAT GREAT CANDIDATES. AND PLEASE STAY ENGAGED. LIKE WE NEED GOOD PEOPLE HELPING. YEAH. YES. AND. AGREED. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THANKS FOR THAT, VICE MAYOR. TOUGH TO VOTE FOR JUST ONE. YEAH, BUT WE'LL HAVE THREE PLUS AN ALTERNATIVE AT THE NEXT TWO AT THE NEXT APPOINTMENT WILL BE TWO REGULAR AND ONE ALTERNATE. MR.. SORRY. I KNOW YOU'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF COUNTING. SORRY. THERE COULD BE AN ALTERNATE. OKAY, THERE COULD BE AN ALTERNATE, BUT THERE WOULD. THERE ARE DEFINITELY GOING TO BE TWO REGULAR POSITIONS. RIGHT? THANK YOU. I HATE THIS ONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, I'LL ENTER THE VOTES INTO THE BALLOT. SCHULZ. TENEMENT BUNKER. BLANKENSHIP. COOPER. COOPER. CRAMER. BARTON. BUNKER. AND. KROLL. COOPER. OKAY. THE BALLOT IS COMPLETE, AND IT REFLECTS THAT THE HIGHEST VOTES GO TO JOE BUNKER WITH FOUR AND GARY COOPER WITH THREE. CERTIFIED. THE BALLOT. CERTIFIED. BALLOT. SECOND SUPPORT. MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER. MARTIN. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. [01:10:05] THANK YOU. COUNCIL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU TO ALL OF OUR CANDIDATES. AND WE APPRECIATE THOSE WHO ARE SERVING. WITH THAT, THE NEXT MOTION WOULD BE TO APPOINT JOE BLANKAR AS A REGULAR MEMBER FOR THE BALANCE OF A THREE YEAR TERM COMMENCING MARCH 18TH, 2026 AND EXPIRING APRIL 30TH, 2028. SO MOVED. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ, SECOND SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNED BY I, I OPPOSED. SO MAYOR REAL QUICK. JUST SO COUNCIL UNDERSTANDS WHEN SHE SAYS THAT EVERYONE NEEDS TO SAY SOMETHING. SO IF WE'RE DOING IF WE'RE DOING VOICE VOTE, THEN YOU NEED TO SAY I. AND IF NOT, THEN YOU CAN'T JUST STAY QUIET. OKAY, SO DO IT AGAIN. WE SHOULD. ALL IN FAVOR SIGN BY. I, I, I OPPOSED, THANK YOU. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU, MR. MCCONNELL. WITH THAT, THANK YOU, MRS. RAMOS. AND WE WILL MOVE TO ITEM 11. THERE ARE NO ITEMS PULLED FROM CONSENT. MOVING TO ITEM 12, WHICH IS LAND USE MATTERS. [12.A) A Resolution Determining Outdoor Dining Petition 26-OD1 Establishing Outdoor Dining on Private Property to Include Four (4) Tables and Sixteen (16) Chairs for the Restaurant Known as Rosati's Pizza on Property Owned by New Market-Neapolitan, LLC, and Located At 818 Neapolitan Way, More Fully Described Herein; Providing Findings and Conditions; Providing for Scrivener's Errors; and Providing an Effective Date.] MR. MCCONNELL. YES. THANK YOU. MAYOR. A RESOLUTION DETERMINING OUTDOOR DINING PETITION 20 6-OD1. ESTABLISHING OUTDOOR DINING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY TO INCLUDE FOR TABLES AND CHAIRS FOR THE RESTAURANT KNOWN AS ROSATI'S PIZZA ON PROPERTY OWNED BY NEW MARKET NEAPOLITAN LLC AND LOCATED AT 818 NEAPOLITAN WAY MORE FULLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, PROVIDING FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS, PROVIDING FOR SCRIVENER'S ERRORS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU. WE'RE MUCH QUICKER THAN ANTICIPATED. I'LL WAIT FOR A MOMENT. THAT'S OKAY. OKAY. MADAM CLERK, FOR ALL THOSE INTENDING TO OFFER TESTIMONY, PLEASE RISE AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY. I'M SORRY. THE PETITIONER'S AGENT OR THE PETITIONER'S? YES. RATHER IS INTENDING TO OFFER TESTIMONY. PLEASE RISE AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES. THANK YOU. OH, WAIT A MINUTE. SWEARING IN OF OATH. SORRY. OKAY. SORRY. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE A PETITIONER'S AGENT OR A PRESENTATION? MAYOR. DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH DISCLOSURES? OH, YES. IF YOU'LL GO TO THE PODIUM. I'LL LET YOU HELP WHILE WE GO THROUGH DISCLOSURES. COUNCIL IT'S TIME TO DISCLOSE ANY CONTACT OR COMMUNICATIONS. COUNCIL MEMBER AWARE OF THE LOCATION. BEEN BY IT, BUT I'VE HAD NO CONTACT WITH ANYBODY THERE. COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. COMMUNICATION WITH STAFF. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY. I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T HEAR YOU, SIR. OKAY. AND COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN. I KNOW THIS PROPERTY TOO WELL, AND I'VE HAD NO CONTACT. OKAY, VICE MAYOR, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY. I VISITED THE SITE TO SEE THE PROPOSED LAYOUT OF THE TABLES. AND I HAVE EATEN AT THIS RESTAURANT. YES. AND I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE BUSINESS AND VISIT THE PROPERTY. AND WITH THAT I WILL WAIT FOR DISCLOSURES ON COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER. MR. MCCONNELL, THANK YOU. YES. HIS DISCLOSURE CAN HAPPEN AT ANY TIME THROUGH THIS HEARING SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. HOWEVER, FOR COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON, YOU DID SAY YOU COMMUNICATED WITH STAFF. COULD YOU JUST CLARIFY WHAT YOU COMMUNICATED WITH STAFF ABOUT? WE SIMPLY WENT OVER THE AGENDA ITEM, DISCUSSED IT, AND THEY ASKED ME IF I HAD ANY QUESTIONS IN REFERENCE TO THE AGENDA ITEM. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CLARIFY. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, I'M SORRY I DID MEET WITH STAFF IN REFERENCE TO THIS PETITION. OKAY. WITH THAT. GOOD MORNING. IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND YOUR PRESENTATION, PLEASE. YES. HI. GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS JESSICA VELASCO. I'M WITH THE PREMISE OF NAPLES, AND I'M HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU GUYS THE OUTDOOR SEATING REQUEST FOR THE ROSATI'S PIZZA. SO AS YOU MENTIONED, IT IS LOCATED ON 818 NEAPOLITAN WAY IN THE NEW MARKET NEAPOLITAN PLAZA. [01:15:01] THIS IS THE PROPOSED SEATING CHART AND LIFE SAFETY PLAN. SO THERE ARE FOUR PROPOSED TABLES WITH A TOTAL OF 16 CHAIRS. AND THIS WAS SUBMITTED AND APPROVED BY THE DEPUTY FIRE CHIEF. AND JUST SO THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT THE OUTDOOR SEATING AREA WOULD LOOK LIKE. AND THERE IS AMPLE OF SPACE STILL THROUGH THE CORRIDOR. OKAY. YOU'RE CONCLUDED WITH YOURS. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER. OKAY. I'LL WAIT FOR STAFF. I'LL GO TO STAFF REPORT. GOOD MORNING, MADAM MAYOR COUNCIL. JEFF BRAMMER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. AS YOU'VE HEARD, THE PETITIONER IS REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR OUTDOOR DINING AT ROSATI'S PIZZA. THIS IS A CASUAL CHAIN EATERY LOCATED AT 818 NEAPOLITAN WAY. THIS IS IN THE NEAPOLITAN WAY PLAZA SHOPPING CENTER, LOCATED AT THE INTERSECTION OF NEAPOLITAN WAY AND US 41. THE RESTAURANT IS OPEN SUNDAY AND MONDAY FROM 4 TO 8:30 P.M. AND TUESDAY THROUGH SATURDAY FROM 11:30 A.M. TO 8:30 P.M. ROSATI'S PIZZA IS OPERATED AT THIS LOCATION FOR SEVERAL YEARS. HOWEVER, ONLY RECENTLY WAS IT BROUGHT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE OWNER THAT THEY DID NOT POSSESS THE THE PROPER PERMITS FOR OUTDOOR DINING. SO THEY ARE HERE TO RECTIFY THAT TODAY. THE REQUEST IS FOR FOUR TABLES AND 16 CHAIRS. THE SEATING IS LOCATED IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING. THE TOTAL AREA OF OUTDOOR DINING IS LESS THAN 100FT². THIS PLAZA IS LOCATED IN A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT HAS SPECIFIC CONDITIONS FOR PARKING FOR ITS TENANTS. THE SHORT OF IT HERE FOR THIS CASE IS THAT WHAT THEY'RE REQUESTING IS LESS THAN WHAT THEY WOULD, YOU KNOW, BE BE CAPPED AT AND BE ALLOWED FOR. ESSENTIALLY, THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED AS MUCH AS 176FT² OF OUTDOOR DINING BEFORE IT WOULD TRIGGER A REQUIREMENT FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING, AND THEY'RE WELL BELOW THAT. THE PETITION HAS REVIEWED BEEN REVIEWED BY ALL CITY DEPARTMENTS, INCLUDING POLICE AND FIRE WITH NO REPORTED ISSUES. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS APPROVED THE LIFE SAFETY PLAN. EARLIER THIS YEAR, THE LETTERS WERE MAILED TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 1000FT. TO DATE, STAFF HAS RECEIVED NO PUBLIC CORRESPONDENCE RELATED TO THE ITEM. PURSUANT TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, CITY COUNCIL SHOULD REVIEW AND APPROVE. THEY'RE REQUIRED TO REVIEW AND APPROVE ALL OUTDOOR DINING PETITIONS. SHOULD COUNCIL CHOOSE TO APPROVE THIS PETITION, STAFF RECOMMENDS. ONE CONDITION. THIS IS A STANDARD CONDITION FOR OUTDOOR DINING THAT THE OUTDOOR DINING AREA IS LIMITED TO APPROXIMATELY 100FT², WITH A MAXIMUM OF FOUR TABLES AND 16 CHAIRS AS CONFIGURED IN THE APPROVED LIFE SAFETY PLAN. ANY FUTURE EXPANSION, MODIFICATION, OR ENHANCEMENT OF THIS OUTDOOR DINING SHALL REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL REVIEW AND APPROVAL. CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. WE'RE AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. KRAMER, COULD YOU PLEASE DO DISCLOSURE? YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. SORRY FOR THAT. I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE, AND AS I DO WITH EVERY AGENDA, I HAVE MET WITH STAFF FOR CLARIFICATION. IN CASE I HAD ANY QUESTIONS. AND THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. WE'RE AT THE STAFF REPORT AND I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE RESOLUTION. AND YOU SAID THAT THERE MR. THAT THERE IS A. SECTION ON THE 100FT IN THE RESOLUTION. CONDITION. OH, YES. YES. I'M SORRY. I DON'T SEE IT. SECTION TWO. IF APPROVED, IT'S ON PAGE TWO. YES, PLEASE. OH, I DIDN'T HIGHLIGHT THAT AREA. THANK YOU, I FOUND IT. AND WITH THAT ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL FOR STAFF. OKAY. I HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY CLOSING REMARKS BEFORE WE GO INTO DELIBERATIONS AND A VOTE? NO. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO MOTION TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION. ITEM 12 A RESOLUTION DETERMINING OUTDOOR DINING PETITION 20 6-OD1 ESTABLISHING DINING, PRIVATE PROPERTY AT A RESTAURANT KNOWN AS ROSATI'S [01:20:03] PIZZA SUPPORT. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL. VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRULL. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHULTZ. YES. MAYOR HARTMAN. YES. THANK YOU. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. AND, MR. BREMER, I'M SORRY. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. THE PD HAS 176 SPACES LEFT FOR. THE PD IS VERY SPECIFIC FOR ALL OF THE TENANTS THAT ARE IN THERE. THIS UNIT WAS ALLOTTED THAT AMOUNT SO THEY CAN HAVE UP TO 176FT² OF OUTDOOR DINING. THEY'RE REQUESTING IT'S A LITTLE UNDER 100FT², AND THE PARKING FOR THE PD IS LEFT AT AFTER THIS APPROVAL FOR OUTDOOR DINING. DO YOU KNOW THAT ANSWER? CAN YOU JUST GET THAT BACK? CAN YOU GET BACK TO ME ON THAT ONE. IT DIDN'T. I'M JUST CURIOUS TO KNOW. YEAH. SO THE WAY THE PD WORKS IS THEY ALLOTTED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE OF OUTDOOR DINING FOR EACH OF THE ESTABLISHMENTS, AND THAT'S HOW THEY CALCULATED THE PARKING. SO TECHNICALLY THERE'S NOT REALLY A TRADING MECHANISM, MEANING IF THIS, IF THIS UNIT HAS 76FT² LEFT OVER THAT DOESN'T GET TRADED TO OTHER TO ANOTHER UNIT. SO THERE'S NOT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? SO THEY CAN'T USE THIS, THEY CAN'T TAKE THAT 76FT² THAT THEY HAVEN'T USED AND GIVE THAT TO A SEPARATE TENANT. SO THEY'VE USED UP ALL OF THE SQUARE FOOTAGE AND, YOU KNOW, ACCORDING THE PARKING THAT GOES WITH IT IS USED UP HERE. SO I, THE REASON I'M ASKING THIS AFTER IT IS BECAUSE MY QUESTION DIRECTLY IS ABOUT THE PD AND WHAT'S LEFT IN THAT PD FOR ANY TOTAL. YES. OKAY. NOT JUST FOR THIS. OKAY. YEP. THANK YOU. OKAY, OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ, THAT AREA DOES MR. BIGFISH HAS OUTDOOR SEATING AS WELL? RIGHT. IN THAT SAME COMPLEX? I BELIEVE SO, BUT I CAN DOUBLE. WE CAN VERIFY. I THINK THE THE BARBECUE PLACE AS WELL. SO I THINK IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THAT. YES. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S LEFT WITHIN THAT PD FOR THE FUTURE. YEP. WE'LL LOOK AND SEE WHAT'S REMAINING. THANK YOU. OKAY WITH THAT. THANK YOU COUNCIL. THANK YOU STAFF. WE'RE MOVING TO 12 B, MR. MCCONNELL. YES. THANK YOU MAYOR. [12.B) A Resolution Determining Petition 26-V1, Relating to a Variance Pursuant to Section 58-146 of the Code of Ordinances, City of Naples, to Allow a 10-Foot Encroachment into the Required 40-Foot Minimum Front Yard for an Existing Single-Family Home in the R1-15 Zoning District, for the Property Owned by Viki Naples, LLC, a Florida Limited Liability Company, and Located at 2363 Crayton Road, More Fully Described Herein; and Providing an Effective Date.   ] A RESOLUTION DETERMINING PETITION 26-V1 RELATING TO A VARIANCE PURSUANT TO SECTION 50 8-1 46 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. CITY OF NAPLES TO ALLOW A TEN FOOT ENCROACHMENT INTO THE REQUIRED 40 FOOT MINIMUM FRONT YARD FOR AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN THE R1 15 ZONING DISTRICT FOR THE PROPERTY OWNED BY VICKI NAPLES LLC, A LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY AND LOCATED AT 2363 CRAYTON ROAD. MORE FULLY DESCRIBED HEREIN AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE FOR ALL THOSE INTENDING TO OFFER TESTIMONY WHO WERE NOT PREVIOUSLY SWORN IN. PLEASE RISE AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL DISCLOSURES. COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ. I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY. COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY. NO CONTACT. VICE MAYOR. I'M VERY FAMILIAR. IT'S MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR. AND DO YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH THAT NOW? I INTEND TO RECUSE MYSELF SINCE IT'S MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR, AND I. I DON'T KNOW IF IT POSITIVELY OR NEGATIVELY AFFECTS MY PROPERTY, BUT I THINK IT'S JUST FAIR FOR ALL PERCEPTIONS, PERCEIVED OR OTHERWISE, THAT I RECUSE MYSELF, WHICH, MR. MCCONNELL. THANK YOU. SO WHILE VICE MAYOR AND I DISCUSS THIS, AND THERE'S NO PER SE CONFLICT PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 112 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTE UNDER 286 .012 WHEN IT COMES TO QUASI JUDICIAL PROCEEDINGS A COUNCIL MEMBER MAY RECUSE THEMSELVES OR MAY ABSTAIN FROM VOTING. IF THE ABSTENTION IS TO ASSURE A FAIR PROCEEDING FREE FROM POTENTIAL BIAS AND PREJUDICE. THEREFORE, IT IS OKAY FOR VICE MAYOR TO ABSTAIN FROM VOTING. HE WOULD NEED TO FILE THE FORM EIGHT B WITH THE CITY CLERK. AND OUT OF RESPECT TO THE PROCESS, I WOULD REQUEST THAT HE REMOVE HIMSELF FROM THE DAIS SO THAT IT'S NOT PERCEIVED AS A CONFLICT AND JUST SIT IN THE BACK. I, I WANT TO JUST CLARIFY, I THOUGHT THAT WE DID NOT HAVE TO REMOVE OURSELVES FROM THE DAIS. [01:25:04] TECHNICALLY, YOU DON'T HAVE TO. HOWEVER, I'M HAPPY TO IN PROCEEDINGS LIKE THIS. FACIAL EXPRESSIONS. ANYTHING. ANY COMMENT? ANYTHING THAT HE CAN DO OR SAY THAT MAY ALTER YOUR OPINION WOULD DISRUPT THE RECORD FOR QUASI JUDICIAL. SO IT'S IT'S BEEN MY PRACTICE AS CITY ATTORNEY AND LEGAL COUNSEL FOR CITIES IN THE PAST, THAT IT'S JUST SAFER TO HAVE THEM OFF THE DAIS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. SURE. COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER DISCLOSURE. AS BEFORE, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE AND I SPOKE WITH STAFF JUST FOR CLARIFICATION ABOUT THE AGENDA ITEM AS ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEM AND COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON COMMUNICATION WITH STAFF. AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, I TYPICALLY HAVE COMMUNICATIONS WITH STAFF IN REFERENCE TO LAND USE MATTERS PRIOR TO OUR REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETINGS. SO THIS WILL BE A STANDARD AND TYPICAL RESPONSE, BUT COMMUNICATION WITH STAFF, JUST TO GET CLARIFICATION AND MAKE SURE I HAD NO QUESTIONS IN REFERENCE TO THIS PARTICULAR AGENDA ITEM. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. CARL. NO CONTACT WITH OWNER DID HAVE COMMUNICATION WITH THE STAFF ON THE MATTER, AND I DID RESEARCH ONLINE AND FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY DRIVEN DRIVEN BY IT NUMEROUS TIMES. SO SO THANK YOU. I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE, DROVE BY THE SITE, SPOKE WITH STAFF IN REFERENCE AND NO FURTHER CONTACT WITH THAT. MISS PASSIDOMO, THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, MADAM MAYOR. MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU. FRANCESCA PASSIDOMO, FOR THE RECORD, OUR FIRM, COLEMAN, YOVANOVITCH AND KESTER REPRESENTS THE OWNER, VICKI NAPLES, IN THIS PETITION FOR AN AFTER THE FACT VARIANCE FOR AN EXISTING HOME PERMITTED AND ISSUED A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY BY THE CITY OF NAPLES IN 1997. THE LOCATION OF THE RESIDENCE, AS YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH, IS SOUTH OF THE COUNTRY CLUB AND NORTH OF MOORING LINE DRIVE ON THE WEST SIDE OF CREIGHTON ROAD. IF ONE WERE TO DRIVE DOWN CREIGHTON ROAD TODAY, YOU WOULD SEE SIGNIFICANT REDEVELOPMENT OF HOMES. SINCE THIS HOME WAS CONSTRUCTED. A SNAPSHOT OF THIS CONTEXT IS SHOWN IN THIS AERIAL ON THE SCREEN. AS READ IN THE TITLE. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE R1 15 SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH WAS ESTABLISHED FOR THIS SECTION OF THE CITY OF NAPLES IN 1990. I'M GOING TO BRIEFLY WALK YOU THROUGH THE APPROVALS HISTORY BECAUSE IT IS A MATERIAL CONSIDERATION FOR THIS PETITION. YOU'LL YOU'LL HEAR FROM THE STAFF REPORT AND YOUR CITY ATTORNEY THAT A VARIANCE IS A CASE BY CASE PETITION. IT IS A FACT SENSITIVE EXERCISE. ALL TESTIFYING TO THE RECORD THAT THIS DOES NOT ESTABLISH PRECEDENT FOR ANY GOING FORWARD VARIANCES. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS BASED ON THE FACTS IN THE RECORD FOR THIS PARTICULAR RESIDENCE. THAT'S WHY I'LL SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME GOING THROUGH THE APPROVAL HISTORY. ON THE SCREEN IS THE SINGLE FAMILY BUILDING PERMIT THAT WAS ISSUED BY THE CITY OF NAPLES. THE BUILDING PERMIT, ISSUED IN 1997 REFLECTS SPECIFICATIONS OF WHAT WAS PERMITTED. SPECIFICALLY, THE BUILDING PERMIT REFLECTS A PERMITTED FRONT YARD SETBACK OF 30.2FT. THE 30.2FT FRONT YARD IS ALSO DEPICTED ON THE SITE PLAN SUBMITTED TO THE CITY FOR THAT BUILDING PERMIT. THE SITE PLAN IS A PART OF THE PERMIT PACKAGE AND IS REVIEWED BY THE CITY. FOR ZONING CONSISTENCY BEFORE A BUILDING PERMIT IS ISSUED. I'LL SAY THIS TOO. THIS MAY ALL SEEM VERY SIMPLE AND BANAL. MANY OF YOU ARE PROBABLY FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROCESS, BUT I DO NEED TO GO THROUGH IT. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR FOR MAYBE MAKING THIS PRESENTATION LONGER THAN IT NEEDS TO BE. FOLLOWING CONSTRUCTION, THE FINAL STEP IN THE PERMITTING PROCESS IS TO CLOSE OUT THE BUILDING PERMIT THROUGH AN AS BUILT SURVEY, WHICH IS A CERTIFIED AND DIMENSIONED DRAWING DEPICTING THE CONSTRUCTED LOCATION OF THE RESIDENCE. THIS IS THE CUSTOMARY PROCESS FOR ANY BUILDING PERMIT FOR ANY STRUCTURE IN THE CITY OF NAPLES. IN THIS CASE, THE CONSTRUCTED LOCATION MATCHES TO THE EXACT FRACTION THE BUILDING PERMIT SET AND SITE PLAN ISSUED BY THE CITY. YOU WILL SEE THE 30.2FT FRONT YARD DIMENSION. [01:30:02] ACCORDINGLY, THE CITY ISSUED A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, WHICH CLOSES OUT THE BUILDING PERMIT AND ALLOWS THE OWNER TO LEGALLY OCCUPY AND USE THE HOME FOR ITS INTENDED PURPOSE. NOW, THE REASON WE ARE HERE, NOTWITHSTANDING THE CLEAR APPROVALS RECORD OF APPROVALS, THE FRONT YARD SETBACK IN THE R1 15 ZONING DISTRICT WAS AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION AND REMAINS TODAY A 40FT DIMENSION. WHEN DISCOVERED AS PART OF A REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION. WE WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH STAFF TO RESEARCH THE HISTORICAL CODES AND ANALYZE WHETHER THE FRONT YARD FOR THIS PROPERTY IS NON-CONFORMING. PROVIDED THE R1 15 ZONING DISTRICT WAS ADOPTED SEVEN YEARS BEFORE THE HOME WAS CONSTRUCTED. IT IS POSSIBLE THE PROVISION YOU READ ON YOUR SCREEN ADJUSTED THE FRONT YARD INEQUITY BASED ON THE THEN DEVELOPMENT OF THE STREET. BUT STAFF NOR THE APPLICANT COULD FIND DEFINITIVE SUPPORT THAT THIS PROVISION WAS APPLIED FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT, AND THEREFORE DEFINING THE FRONT YARD AS A NONCONFORMITY IS INCONCLUSIVE AT BEST. IN THAT RESEARCH WITH STAFF, IT WAS CONCLUDED THAT A VARIANCE IS THE ONLY MECHANISM TO ENSURE THAT THIS HOME IS DEEMED COMPLIANT BY THE CITY OF NAPLES. THAT HAS LEGAL CONSEQUENCES AS WELL AS HUMAN CONSEQUENCES. THE LEGAL CONSEQUENCES BEING TO THE EXTENT THAT THE OWNER WANTED TO OR NEEDS TO REPAIR THE ROOF IN THAT AREA. THE CITY MAY BE PRECLUDED FROM ISSUING A PERMIT TO REPAIR A ROOF IN THAT AREA. THE HUMAN CONSEQUENCE IS WHAT I THINK YOU COULD ALL EMPATHIZE WITH, THAT YOUR HOME BEING IN A SOMEWHAT GRAY AREA IN TERMS OF HOW THE CITY WOULD DEEM ITS STATUS IS IN NATURAL, IS A NATURAL HUMAN DESIRE TO CLOSE THAT GRAY AREA AND CREATE A COMPLIANT CONDITION. THE RESOLUTION IS VERY CLEAR THAT THIS IS ONLY FOR THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. IT IS ONLY TO THE EXTENT OF THE NON OF THE, EXCUSE ME, ENCROACHMENT TODAY. IT WOULD NOT ALLOW FOR ANY EXPANSION INTO THAT AREA OR ANY REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT OF THAT ENCROACHMENT. THERE WAS A DIALOG AT PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. WHAT IF WE WANTED TO PUT A SECOND STOREY ABOVE THE GARAGE IN THE ENCROACHMENT AREA? THAT WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED BY BOTH THE RESOLUTION AND YOUR CODE? SETTING FORTH WHAT A VARIANCE MEANS, WHAT YOU'RE APPROVING. NOW GOT INTO A FEW ADDITIONAL FACTS FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THIS VISUAL DEPICTS THE APPROXIMATE PHYSICAL EXTENT OF THE ENCROACHMENT IN THE BUILT CONTEXT. AGAIN, A VARIANCE OF FACT SENSITIVE EXERCISE CASE BY CASE MECHANISM FOR RELIEF. IN THIS CASE, IN ADDITION TO THE EXTENSIVE APPROVALS HISTORY, THE ENDURING NATURE OF THE EXISTING HOME AS AN ELEMENT ON CREIGHTON ROAD, AND AS CAN BE SEEN HERE, THE EXTENSIVE STREET MATURE VEGETATION WHICH OPERATIVELY BUFFERS THE GARAGE ENCROACHMENT. MOREOVER, AND THIS IS A MORE RECENT SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY, THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOME, EVEN TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE ENCROACHMENT, RESULTS IN SIGNIFICANTLY LESS MASSING AND MORE OPEN SPACE THAN THE TOTALITY OF WHAT COULD BE CONSTRUCTED ON THE SINGLE FAMILY LOT TODAY. SO IN A NUTSHELL, BECAUSE THE R 115 ZONING DISTRICT WAS CREATED LESS THAN A DECADE BEFORE THE HOME WAS CONSTRUCTED, IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THAT PROVISION, ALLOWING FOR A GRANDFATHERING OF A 30 FOOT SETBACK, WAS APPLIED. THIS IS VERY INCONCLUSIVE. THERE'S A LONG STRING OF HISTORY THAT WAS DONE BY STAFF THAT'S IN THE STAFF REPORT. SO EVEN THOUGH R 115 WAS ADOPTED IN 1990, IT APPEARS THAT THE 40 FOOT FRONT YARD HAS BEEN THERE FOR SOME TIME. SO RATHER THIS 28 YEAR OLD RESIDENCE FALLS WITHIN. AS I'VE NOTED PREVIOUSLY, A GRAY AREA PERMITTED ISSUED A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY BY THE CITY OF NAPLES, BUT WITHOUT THE PROTECTIONS AFFORDED AS A LEGAL NON-CONFORMITY. AGAIN, WE ARE SUBMITTING THIS. THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO HIDE. ASK ME ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE, BUT WE ARE SIMPLY TRYING TO MEMORIALIZE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, ALLOW IT TO BE DEEMED A COMPLIANT STRUCTURE. IF THERE IS REDEVELOPMENT, IT WILL NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE 40 FOOT FRONT YARD. AND I CONCLUDE MY REMARKS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. [01:35:05] COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. MISS PASSIDOMO, COULD YOU. EXPLAIN TO US WHAT WAS THE CATALYST THAT BROUGHT. YOU BROUGHT IT HERE TODAY. WERE THEY LOOKING TO DO SOMETHING? AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE REALIZED THAT IT WAS NOT IN COMPLIANCE AND IT CREATED A. OH, NO, WE GOT TO FIX THIS QUICKLY. AND IF SO, ARE THOSE PLANS NO LONGER A PART OF THE EQUATION? I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS, IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE ON THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. AND IT WOULD IT SEEMS TO BE IT WOULD ONLY BE REPAIRS WOULD BE AN ISSUE THAT WOULD THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD COME INTO COMPLIANCE ISSUES BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW ANY ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE OR ADDITIONAL CONSTRUCTION. SO IF YOU IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE US SOME CLARIFICATION ON, ON HOW, OF COURSE, HOW THIS WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY DISCUSSING IT TODAY. OF COURSE. THANK YOU. THIS AROSE THROUGH IN ANY REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION, YOU ALL MAY BE FAMILIAR. THE THERE'S ALWAYS A SURVEY THAT'S PROCURED. WE OBTAIN THE SURVEY NOTED IT WAS 30FT AS PART OF A REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION. WE ALWAYS REACH OUT TO THE CITY AND ASK THE CITY TO CONFIRM THE SETBACKS. THAT CREATED A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION. I NORMALLY CAN ATTEMPT TO FIND THE SOLUTION. IT WAS NON-CONFORMING, ETC. IN THIS CASE, WE I HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS WITH STAFF. IN THIS CASE, THERE WAS NOTHING CONCLUSIVE IN TERMS OF IT BEING A NON-CONFORMING. SO THE CATALYST WAS SIMPLY A TYPICAL REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION. THE SURVEY, DEPICTING A FRONT YARD THAT WAS INCONSISTENT WITH TODAY'S STANDARDS AND INCONSISTENT WITH THE STANDARDS AT THE TIME IT WAS CONSTRUCTED. THERE'S NO IMMEDIATE PLAN TO REPAIR THE ROOF OR ANYTHING WHERE THERE WOULD BE A PLAN IN FRONT OF THE CITY, BUT THAT IS A CONSIDERATION IN WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY, NOT TO EXPAND THE FOOTPRINT, BUT MERELY TO ALLOW THOSE OPERATIONAL REPAIRS TO BE ISSUED AS A MATTER OF COURSE. GREAT. APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER KROL. SO THE NEW BUYER BOUGHT THIS, KNOWING THE FACT THAT THIS WAS A NON-CONFORMING ISSUE AND PROCEEDED WITH THE SALE, KNOWING THAT THE THE BUYER PROCEEDED WITH THE SALE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WOULD BE SUBMITTING A VARIANCE AND, AND WE WOULD BE SUBMITTING A VARIANCE UNDER AN UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CRITERIA WOULD BE FOUND COMPLIANT IN THIS SITUATION. SO THEY DIDN'T PROCEED WITH THEIR HEAD BURIED. THEY PROCEEDED WITH SIGNIFICANT DIALOG WITH STAFF AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THOUGH IT'S NON-COMPLIANT CIRCUMSTANCE, THERE IS A RELIEF MECHANISM AND WE WOULD BE PURSUING THE RELIEF MECHANISM. THEY BOUGHT IT KNOWING THERE'S A RISK THAT THAT THAT PART OF THE GARAGE MAY HAVE TO BE TAKEN OFF OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THEY'RE ABSORBING A RISK IN THAT TRANSACTION, NOT KNOWING IF THE VARIANCE IS GOING TO GO THROUGH OR NOT. EVERY REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION HAS SOME RISK. BUT YES, THEY DID PROCEED WITH THIS WITH THIS APPLICATION BEING SUBMITTED. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE WITH THIS VARIANCE COULD THEY COULD THEY BUILD THE SECOND FLOOR IF IT'S AWAY FROM THAT GARAGE AREA, COULD THEY, COULD THEY ALTER THE PROPERTY AND BE ABLE TO DO THAT WITH THE VARIANCE? LEGALLY, THEY COULD BUILD A SECOND STORY OUTSIDE THE 40FT SUBJECT TO SPATIAL PERCEPTION AND EVERYTHING ELSE. CONSTRUCTION FEASIBILITY. I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. IT MAY BE VERY DIFFICULT TO CONSTRUCT A SECOND STORY, BUT LEGALLY THE ANSWER IS YES. OUTSIDE THE FRONT YARD. SO YOU COULD NOT BUILD A SECOND STORY IN THE 30FT. SO LEGALLY, IF THIS IS GRANTED. SO EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THEY COULD KEEP THAT NONCONFORMING AREA AS IT IS AND BUILD ON TO THE HOUSE. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE TO THE STAFF REPORT. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, MADAM MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, CITY ATTORNEY, CITY MANAGER AND CITY CLERK. TASHIMA LEWIS WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT BEFORE USE VARIOUS PETITION 20 6V1 THE PETITIONERS. VICKI NAPLES LLC. THE AGENT IS FRANCESCA PASSIDOMO, ESQUIRE. THE VARIANCE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW A TEN FOOT ENCROACHMENT INTO THE REQUIRED 40 FOOT MINIMUM FRONT YARD OF EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN THE R-1 15 ZONING DISTRICT PURSUANT TO SECTION 50 8-1 46 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. THE PROPERTY WAS BUILT IN 1998. THE PERMIT APPLICATION DATED JULY 23RD, 1997, IDENTIFIED THE MINIMUM YARDS. THE SETBACKS FRONT YARD, 30 FOOT REAR YARD, 25FT AND THE SIDE YARD AT 7.5FT. THE FINAL SURVEY, DATED JANUARY 28TH, 1998, CERTIFIED THAT THE FRONT YARD WAS APPROVED AT 30.2FT AND A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY DATED JANUARY 23RD, 1998 WAS ISSUED BY THE CITY OF NAPLES BUILDING DEPARTMENT. [01:40:02] THE BUILDING PERMIT APPROVAL IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE MINIMUM YARD REQUIREMENTS OF THE R-1 15 RESIDENCE DISTRICT PURSUANT TO SECTION 50 8-1 46 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. INTERESTINGLY, THE MINIMUM YARD REQUIREMENTS WHICH WERE APPLIED TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROPERTY WAS FOR THE R1 TEN RESIDENCE DISTRICT PURSUANT TO SECTION 50 8-1 76. THE STAFF REPORT ON PAGE TWO PROVIDED TABLE ONE, WHICH SHOWS THE COMPARISON BETWEEN THE TWO ZONING DISTRICTS. THE FIGURE ONE ALSO DEMONSTRATED THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION BETWEEN THE ZONING LAYERS, WHERE THE PROPERTIES WERE ABOUT 450FT. IT WAS THE R1 TEN ZONING DISTRICT. STAFF REVIEWED THE CITY OF NAPLES ZONING ORDINANCES DATING BACK TO 1953, INCLUDING ALSO 1979 AND 1990 COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT CODE, ALL OF WHICH CONFIRMED THAT THE FRONT YARD HAS ALWAYS BEEN 40FT FOR THE R1 15 ZONING DISTRICT. THEREFORE, THE FRONT YARD REQUIREMENT HAS NOT BEEN AMENDED SINCE 1953. ADDITIONALLY, THESE 1967 ZONING ATLAS MAP ALSO INDICATES THAT THIS PROPERTY WAS R1 15, SO THERE HAS BEEN NO CHANGE TO THE ZONING DISTRICT OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY BETWEEN 1967 AND THE PRESENT. YOU CAN SEE THIS MAP ILLUSTRATED ON FIGURE TWO. THE FINDINGS DO NOT SUBSTANTIATE THE APPROVAL OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME AT THE 2363 CRAYTON ROAD. IT APPEARS THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME WAS APPROVED AND CONSTRUCTED ERRONEOUSLY WITH THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT IN 1997. THE SETBACK DISCREPANCY WENT UNNOTICED FOR ABOUT 28 YEARS. THIS MATTER WAS BROUGHT TO THE CITY'S ATTENTION AS A RESULT OF THE REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION, WHICH OCCURRED IN OCTOBER OF 2025. HOWEVER, SECTION 44.4 INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES SUBSECTION B STATES NO USE STRUCTURE, CONDITION, CONDITION OR DEVELOPMENT SHALL EXIST UPON ANY PROPERTY UNLESS PERMITTED IN ITS DISTRICT AND LOCATION PURSUANT TO THIS CODE OR BY APPLICABLE GENERAL LAW. WHILE THE CITY OF NAPLES HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO UPHOLD ACCURATE BUILDING PERMIT ISSUANCE IN ATYPICAL SITUATIONS, ABERRATIONS DO OCCUR. IN SPITE OF THIS FACT, IT HAS BEEN LEGALLY OPINED THAT BUILDING PERMITS ISSUED IN VIOLATION OF LAW OR IN ERROR MAY BE RESCINDED AND DO NOT STOP THE GOVERNMENT'S AUTHORITY FROM ENFORCING ITS ORDINANCES. HOWEVER, YOU HAVE THE DISCRETION TO ALLOW FOR VARIANCES PURSUANT TO SECTION 4637 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. THE PETITIONER IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO SECTION 50 8-1 46 MINIMUM YARDS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO ALLOW A TEN FOOT ENCROACHMENT INTO THE REQUIRED 40 FOOT MINIMUM FRONT YARD FOR AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN THE R1 15 ZONING DISTRICT ON THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2363 CREIGHTON ROAD. THE PURPOSE OF THIS PETITION IS TO MEMORIALIZE THE PERMITTED FRONT YARD BUILDING LINE AT 30FT, WHERE ESTABLISHING LEGAL NONCONFORMITY IS NOT APPLICABLE. ON JANUARY 12TH, 19. I'M SORRY. JANUARY 12TH, 2006, A TOTAL OF 168 LETTERS WERE MAILED TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 1000FT OF THE PROPERTY. AS OF TODAY'S DATE, STAFF HAVE RECEIVED HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY COMMUNICATION REGARDING THIS REQUEST. THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD HEARD THIS VARIANCE PETITION ON FEBRUARY 11TH, 2026, WHERE THE BOARD VOTED 6 TO 1, RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION TO CITY COUNCIL WITH CONDITIONS BY STAFF. THE CONDITIONS ARE INCLUDED IN THE RESOLUTION FOR CITY COUNCIL REVIEW AND APPROVAL. NUMBER ONE, THE VARIANCE ALLOWS A TEN FOOT ENCROACHMENT INTO THE FOOT 40 FOOT REQUIRED MINIMUM YARD PURSUANT TO SECTION 50 8-1 46 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, AND SHALL APPLY ONLY TO EXISTING STRUCTURE AND SHALL NOT APPLY TO THE REBUILDING OF NEW STRUCTURES. NUMBER TWO, SHOULD THE EXISTING STRUCTURE BE DEMOLISHED, THE VARIANCE IS NO LONGER APPLICABLE AND ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION MUST BE BUILT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING REGULATIONS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES IN EFFECT AT THAT TIME. NUMBER THREE, THE PETITIONERS AND THEIR SUCCESSORS IN INTEREST SHALL ABIDE BY THE VARIANCE GRANTED BY PETITION 20 6V1. ANY FURTHER ENCROACHMENT OR EXPANSION BEYOND THE THRESHOLD ESTABLISHED IN THIS VARIANCE SHALL REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL FOR A NEW VARIANCE PETITION. STAFF HAVE REVIEWED THE CRITERIA AND FOUND THAT THE CRITERIA HAVE BEEN MET. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WHEN REVIEWING THE PETITION, I DID ASK THE CLERK IF SHE HAD RECORDS ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. I HAVE NOT HEARD BACK FROM HER. [01:45:07] MAYBE I CAN GET A CONFIRMATION ON THAT. AS FAR AS THE RECORD, WHEN YOU GO TO SEARCH RECORDS WHAT'S THE PROCESS FOR THAT? I WOULD GO TO OUR MUNIS, WHICH IS OUR, WHERE WE KEEP OUR RECORDS. THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE. WE ALSO HAVE OUR K DRIVE. WE HAVE RESEARCH AND PAPERWORK THAT WE KEEP AS WELL AS A PLANNING DEPARTMENT. AND SO I WENT AS FAR AS BACK AS I COULD. AND I FOUND ORDINANCE THAT WAS WRITTEN IN 1953. OKAY. WE DID PULL THE BUILDING PERMITS AS WELL. WE PULLED THE BUILDING PERMITS OF WHEN THE HOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED AND THEN THE DATE THAT THAT HOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED. AND THEN AT THAT DATE, WHAT CODE WAS IN PLACE AT THE TIME AND WHAT WE WERE, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS WITH THIS WAS TO TRY TO SEE IF THERE WAS A ZONING CHANGE OR IF THERE WAS A VARIANCE GRANTED, OR IF THERE WAS ANY REASONABLE EXPLANATION FOR WHY THIS HOUSE WOULDN'T MEET THE REGULATIONS IN PLACE AT THE TIME, AND WE JUST COULD NOT FIND ANY REASONABLE EXPLANATION THAT WOULD MAKE THIS A LAWFUL NONCONFORMITY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. SO OUR BEST GUESS EXPLANATION WOULD BE THAT UNFORTUNATELY, IT WAS JUST REVIEWED IN ERROR AGAINST THE WRONG ZONING REGULATIONS. THANK YOU. AND JUST TO CONFIRM THE PROCESS OF AN AS BUILT SURVEY, WHAT IS THAT PROCESS AT THIS TIME? AT THIS TIME, WHEN A BUILDING PERMIT IS ISSUED FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION FENCES, ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT IMPROVEMENTS. PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CO OR A CC THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT WILL PLACE A CONDITION ON THAT ON OUR APPROVAL THAT REQUIRES THAT THEY SUBMIT A SURVEY, A FINAL AS BUILT SURVEY. AND SO WE WILL REVIEW THAT SURVEY. AND THEY CAN IT, IT PREVENTS THE ISSUANCE OF A CO IF WE DO NOT PASS THAT SURVEY. SO THE BUILDING THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT CONFIRMS THAT INFORMATION. WE DO AS AS BUILT SURVEY. YEP. PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OR THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY. YES. AND HOW DO WE CONFIRM AN AS BUILT SURVEY? SO ON A NEW HOME, UNFORTUNATELY THIS HOME WAS BUILT PRIOR TO THE CURRENT REGULATIONS. SO WE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE MODIFIED THAT TO ADD IN THIS LAYER OF SECURITY. BUT WHEN THEY SUBMIT THAT AS BUILT SURVEY, THEY SUBMIT IT TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, REVIEWS IT AGAINST THE CODE TO MAKE SURE IT'S CONSISTENT, NOT ONLY WITH THE PLANS THAT WERE APPROVED, BUT WITH THE SETBACKS THAT ARE IN PLACE IN THE CODE. IS THAT A VISUAL OR ARE WE ACTUALLY HAVE A CONFIRMATION FROM A SURVEYOR CONFIRMING THEY SUBMIT A SIGNED AND SEALED SURVEY? OKAY. THANK YOU. YEP. ONE THING VERY BRIEFLY, IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THE ASPHALT SURVEY WAS SUBMITTED. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A CLARIFICATION WHETHER THAT WAS PART OF THE 1997 PROCESS OR NOT. IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, THERE WAS AN ASPHALT SURVEY SUBMITTED REFLECTING THE EXACT SAME FRONT YARD AS THE BUILDING PERMIT. THANK YOU. I DID REVIEW THAT. YEAH. THIS HOUSE, AGAIN, IN AGREEMENT WITH MISS MO, THIS HOUSE WAS PERMITTED AND CONSTRUCTED ACCORDING TO THE PERMITTED PLANS. RIGHT. THE ERROR CERTAINLY WAS IN THE THE DESIGNATION OF THE SETBACKS IN BOTH THE PLANS AND THE CONSTRUCTION. GOT IT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER. I KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHERE MY COLLEAGUE IS GOING WITH IT IS POSSIBLE SOMEBODY MAY WANT TO BUILD UP BECAUSE THE ONLY WAY THAT WOULD NOT INVALIDATE THIS VARIANCE. WHAT IF THEY BUILT UP INSIDE OF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE ORIGINAL FOOTPRINT? CORRECT. THIS VARIANCE ONLY APPLIES TO THE PORTION THAT ENCROACHES RIGHT NOW. IN THE CASE THAT IT'S DEMOLISHED AND IS WHATEVER'S BY RIGHT. EVERYTHING THAT IF THIS STRUCTURE IS DEMOLISHED, EVERYTHING THAT WOULD BE REBUILT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO COMPLY WITH THE CODE THAT'S IN PLACE TODAY. THEY WOULD NOT RETAIN THAT. AND SO THE OPTION IS DON'T. THEN THEY JUST SELL IT AND KNOCK IT DOWN AND BUILD TWO STORIES ANYWAY, JUST WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT. IF THE BUYER THAT HAD JUST PURCHASED THIS HOME INTENDED TO DEMO IT. WE WOULD NOT BE HERE TODAY BECAUSE THE BLEMISH, QUOTE UNQUOTE ON THE TITLE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE. THAT'S RIGHT. THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO REBUILD. IT WAS BECAUSE THE BUYER WANTED TO KEEP THE HOUSE RIGHT. OTHERWISE IT JUST KNOCKED OUT SOMETHING BIGGER ANYWAY. GOING THROUGH THIS. YEAH. YEAH. SO I AM A LITTLE SYMPATHETIC OR A LOT SYMPATHETIC HERE BECAUSE INTERESTINGLY, WHEN WE BOUGHT OUR HOUSE FROM MAYOR CECIL DRAKE, SOME OF YOU I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH. 1960 SOMETHING MAYOR EVERGLADES CITY. WE BOUGHT THE ORIGINAL HOUSE THAT HE BUILT IN 1971, AND WHEN WE WANTED TO PURCHASE IT, THE MAYOR PASSED. HIS WIFE IS VERY OLD, SWEETEST AUNT BEE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND OUR SURVEY GAVE THE PERSON NEXT TO US. THE LINE WAS ABOUT THREE FEET INSIDE OF OUR LIVING ROOM. [01:50:06] OH GOOD THAT THE CITY HAD APPROVED. AND THAT WAS OKAY. AND SO THE QUESTION IS, ARE YOU GOING TO HANDCUFF MRS. DRAKE OR WHOMEVER? THEY CAN NEVER SELL THE HOME IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RISK. ARE WE JUST GOING TO MAKE IT RIGHT BASED ON THE ERROR THAT WAS CREATED BY THE CITY IN THE PAST? TO ME, THAT'S A PRETTY EASY ANSWER. AND SO I DID NOT RECUSE MYSELF WITH THAT MUCH EMPATHY, BUT IT CERTAINLY GIVES ME THE REAL PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT'S GOING ON HERE AND HOW SHE WOULD HAVE HAD TO STAY IN THAT HOUSE FOREVER AND DO WHAT WITH IT. THEN IF WE'RE IF NO ONE'S EVER GOING TO ASSUME THE RISK THAT THE CITY WOULD DO THE RIGHT THING. SO I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE ALL OF US TO JUST DO THE RIGHT THING. MAARTEN, IN THAT SAME VEIN OF THOUGHT YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CRITERIA FOR APPROVING THE VARIANCE, I'M GOING TO FOCUS ON THIS ON THE SEVENTH CRITERIA HERE. AND THAT IS THE PLIGHT OF THE APPLICANT IS DUE TO UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES NOT CREATED BY THE APPLICANT. THAT, THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE. AND IT SEEMS TO ME WITH, WITH ALL THE RESEARCH THAT OUR STAFF HAS DONE AND MISS PASTO HAS DONE FROM A STANDPOINT OF HOW WE ARE HERE TODAY WITH THIS, WITH THIS ISSUE THE ONLY THE ONLY LIKELY RATIONALE IS, IS THAT A MISTAKE WAS MADE BY THE CITY. SO IT CERTAINLY WASN'T BY THE APPLICANT. SO YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO WE DON'T EMBRACE VARIANCES UP HERE, BUT, BUT THERE'S A REASON AND RATIONALE AS TO WHY THAT WE HAVE, WHY WE HAVE THIS PROCESS. AND THIS IS A SHINING EXAMPLE OF WHY WE HAVE THIS PROCESS AND WHY VARIANCES SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. AND I'M GOING TO EMPHASIZE ON A, ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS, THIS IS WE'RE NOT SETTING A PRECEDENT HERE. IF WE WERE TO APPROVE THIS VARIANCE, THIS IS SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS PARTICULAR CASE. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? I HAVE CALLED THEM. I THINK THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN EVEN A PURE HARDSHIP PROBLEM BECAUSE YOU HAVE A NEW BUYER WHO KNOWS THERE'S A PROBLEM IN THIS HOUSE, PROBABLY BOUGHT AT A SUBSTANTIAL DISCOUNT FROM THAT, WE MIGHT GUESS. I MEAN, IT'S A GREAT ARBITRAGE, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, BECAUSE IF YOU GET A VARIANCE THAT ALSO INCREASES THE VALUE OF THE HOUSE. YOU KNOW, I THINK BY A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT, I MEAN, IT COULD BE SO I MEAN, I'M JUST SAYING THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT IN MY MIND THAN A PURE HARDSHIP THAT, THAT THAT I'VE SEEN IN OTHER VARIANCES. SO DID YOU SAY NOT A HARDSHIP? I WOULD SAY IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE WHEN YOU KNOWINGLY BUY SOMETHING AND PROCEED WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULDN'T PROCEED WITH THE SALE, THAT KNOWING THAT THIS EXISTS OR THAT MAKE IT CONTINGENT UPON THE, THE SELLER GETTING THE VARIANCE, BUT HE OUTRIGHT BOUGHT IT AND PROBABLY USED THAT AS A NEGOTIATION. YOU KNOW, A NORMAL PERSON WOULD USE THAT AS A NEGOTIATION. AND I'M NOT SURE IF THIS IS A FLIP IDEA OR WHATEVER, BUT I JUST VIEW THIS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN THE TRADITIONAL PURE HARDSHIP PROBLEM IN MY MIND. OKAY. WELL, I WANT TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE'S COMFORTABLE. I'D BE HAPPY TO MAKE A MOTION. WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS. OH, WE HAVE TO GO. SCHOLZ. SORRY. YEAH. THERE'S NO BIGGER PERSON AGAINST VARIANCES THAN ME ON THE PAB. BUT IN THIS CASE, IT'S PRETTY HARD TO SAY WHY THIS ONE SHOULDN'T GO FORWARD. AS FAR AS COUNCILMAN GARIN THOUGHTS. MAYBE THIS IS A PHILIP WHATEVER TO TRY TO GET INSIDE THE BUYER'S HEAD. THE PURPOSE AND POINT OF TIME WHEN THEY WERE BUYING IT THAT THEY WANT TO FLIP OR HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DEAL WITH IT. I'M NOT SO SURE THAT THAT'S RELEVANT, THAT WE CANNOT GET INSIDE THEIR HEAD. BUT IN THIS CASE, I SEE NO REASON TO NOT NOT GRANT THIS VARIANCE AT ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. MISS PASSIDOMO, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE YOUR CLOSING REMARKS? I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST YOUR YOUR CONSIDERATION OF THIS PARTICULAR CASE. AND AND I'LL CLOSE. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. COUNCIL NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN MOVE TO APPROVE PETITION 58-146 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO ALLOW FOR A TEN FOOT ENCROACHMENT INTO THE REQUIRED 40 FOOT MINIMUM FRONT YARD FOR AN EXISTING FAMILY HOME IN THE AR 15 ZONING DISTRICT. AND THEN I ALSO HAVE FOR THE PROPERTY THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. AND THEN THERE WERE THREE CONDITIONS. DO I READ THOSE? YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ THEM INDIVIDUALLY. YOU JUST INCLUDE THE THREE CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED. PERFECT. INCLUDING THE THREE CONDITIONS AS PRESENTED TO US THIS MORNING. SECOND, WHICH YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT. VERY WELL DONE. [01:55:05] SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ. YES. COUNCILMEMBER PENMAN. YES. VICE MAYOR. VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP. COUNCILMEMBER BARTON. YES. COUNCILMEMBER KRAMER. YES. COUNCILMEMBER CROW. NO. MAYOR HARTMAN YES. IT PASSES 5 TO 1 WITH ONE RECUSED VOTE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND WITH THAT, IT'S 1028. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK AND WE WILL COME BACK. 12 C. OKAY. WE'RE BACK FROM OUR SHORT BREAK AND WE ARE CONTINUING ON ITEM 12 C AND MR. [12.C) A Resolution Determining Public Art Petition 25-PA2 for the Placement of Public Art in the Covered Public Area of the Pedestrian Via Located on Private Property Owned by Downtown Naples, LLC, at 1090 1st Avenue South, More Fully Described Herein; and for the Reimbursement of the Public Art Fee Pursuant to Section 46-42 of the Code of Ordinances, City of Naples; Providing for Scrivener's Errors; and Providing an Effective Date.] MCCONNELL. YES. THANK YOU MAYOR. A RESOLUTION DETERMINING PUBLIC ART PETITION £0.25 TWO FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF PUBLIC ART IN THE COVERED PUBLIC AREA OF THE PEDESTRIAN VIA. LOCATED ON PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNED BY DOWNTOWN NAPLES LLC AT 1090 FIRST AVENUE SOUTH. MORE FULLY DESCRIBED HEREIN. FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT OF PUBLIC ART FEE PURSUANT TO SECTION 46 DASH 42 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, CITY OF NAPLES PROVIDING FOR SCRIVENER'S ERRORS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK BROTHERS INTENDING TO OFFER TESTIMONY WHO IS NOT PREVIOUSLY SWORN IN. PLEASE RISE AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? IS THE GENTLEMAN THAT. IS HE NOT TESTIFYING? WHO'S THAT? NO. I'M NEXT. HE'S NEXT. OH, SORRY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOOD GUY THOUGH. OKAY WITH THAT COUNCIL DISCLOSURES COUNCIL MEMBER NO HAVE HAD NO DISCUSSIONS. WHERE THE AREA WHERE IT'S GOING KIND OF WHERE THEY'RE BUILDING IT. YEAH. BARTON NUN KRAMER FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA? SCHULTZ. PITTMAN. NO CONTACT VICE MAYOR FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE. NO DISCUSSIONS OTHER THAN A BRIEF OVERVIEW WITH STAFF AND GREETING MR. NGUYEN EARLIER THIS MORNING. THANK YOU. I DID WATCH THE DRB PRESENTATION, AND WITH THAT, NO FURTHER CONTACT. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, MADAM MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS BOB VAIDA. I'M WITH THE BEC ARCHITECTURAL GROUP, 804 ANCHOR ROAD DRIVE IN THE CITY OF NAPLES. I'M HERE THIS MORNING TO PRESENT OUR PUBLIC ART PROPOSAL FOR THE WIND BUILDING. THE BUILDING IS CURRENTLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION ON AT 1090 FIRST AVENUE SOUTH IS DIRECTLY WEST OF THE GULFSHORE PLAYHOUSE AND NORTH OF THE NEW CITY PARKING GARAGE. AS PART OF THE GROUND FLOOR OF THE BUILDING. WE'VE PAID PARTICULARLY GOOD PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO LANDSCAPING, PAVING AND IN PARTICULAR A PEDESTRIAN VIA THAT WILL CUT RIGHT THROUGH THE CENTER OF THE BUILDING THAT VIA IS LINED UP WITH AN AN EXIT ENTRANCE FROM THE PARKING GARAGE DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH. AND WE STARTED THAT PROCESS WHEN WE MET WITH ANDRES TAIWANESE GROUP FIVE YEARS AGO. I DON'T KNOW WHEN. IT WAS A LONG TIME AGO WHEN THEY DID THEIR STUDY OF THE, OF THE, OF THIS DISTRICT. SO AS PART OF THAT, LANDSCAPING. WE ARE PROPOSING A PLACEMENT OF A STATUE IN THE VIA AND IT'S RIGHT HERE WHERE THE RED ARROW IS. AGAIN, THIS IS FIRST AVENUE SOUTH HERE. 12TH STREET IS ON THE RIGHT OF THE DRAWING. THE STATUE WILL BE OF DOWNWIND, WHO HAS BEEN A KEY FIGURE IN THE HISTORY OF NAPLES. JEFF NGUYEN IS HERE THIS MORNING TO SPEAK ON HIS CONTRIBUTION TO THE AREA. THIS AREA THAT THE SCULPTURE WILL BE IN IS COMPLETELY COVERED. THE SECOND AND THIRD FLOORS SPAN OVER TOP OF THIS. AND IT'S OFF TO THE SIDE HERE IN THE VIA AGAIN UNDER THE COVERED AREA. WE'VE HAD A FEW CLAY MOCKUPS CREATED. ULTIMATELY, THE WYNN FAMILY DECIDED TO SELECT THE SCULPTURE OF DON WYNN WHEN HE WAS A YOUNGER MAN. AND IT'S BASED ON. I JUST SKIPPED OVER IT HERE. IT'S BASED ON. A PICTURE THAT WE FOUND OF HIM IN THE 1950S. [02:00:06] LEANING AGAINST A COOLER. I ASSUME IT'S THE STORE THAT WAS ON ORIGINALLY ON FIFTH AVENUE WHERE NEXT TO SUGDEN PLAYHOUSE. I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF OVERVIEW ON THE ARTIST. HIS NAME IS ALI ZAFAR. YOU MIGHT KNOW HIS SISTER IRMA. SHE SITS ON THE DRB AND IS AN ARCHITECT HERE IN NAPLES. ALI IS A NAPLES AREA ARTIST AND SCULPTOR. HE WAS BORN IN ALBANIA TO A FAMILY OF ARTISTS, AND HE'S LIVED HERE FOR MANY YEARS. HE WAS TRAINED AT THE ARTS UNIVERSITY IN THE CAPITAL OF ALBANIA, SPECIALIZING IN PAINTING AND SCULPTING. HE HAS DONE CASTINGS AND STATUES THROUGHOUT EUROPE, SOUTH AMERICA, LARGE SCALE STATUES. THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE MOCKUP THAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU IS 24IN TALL. IT WILL BE A FULL SIZE, LIFE SIZE BRONZE STATUE. IT'LL BE CREATED BY OGILVY IN HIS STUDIO HERE. THIS WAS JUST THE FIRST GO AROUND. THERE ARE SEVERAL OTHER MOCKUPS THAT ARE DONE BEFORE THE CASTING IS MADE, WHICH WILL BE DONE IN EUROPE, AND THEN IT'S SHIPPED BACK HERE AND UGLY AND HIS TEAM ASSEMBLE IT. YOU CAN SEE FROM THE IMAGES THAT ARE ON THE SCREEN NOW, THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT STATUES AGAIN, THROUGHOUT EUROPE, SOUTH AMERICA, THIS STATUE AT SAINT ANNE'S. SO HE'S A WELL ESTABLISHED SCULPTOR VERY TALENTED. AND WE'RE EXCITED TO HAVE HIM WORK ON THIS PROJECT FOR US. I'M GOING TO HAVE THERE'S A COUPLE DIFFERENT VIEWS OF IT. YOU CAN SEE BEHIND THE STATUE. IT'S THE OTHER THING WE'RE GOING TO ADD IS WE'RE GOING TO PUT A QR CODE ON THE ON THE PILLAR THAT HE'S LEANING ON HERE AND A DRB. THEY SUGGESTED THAT PERHAPS WE DO EVEN A SMALL SIGN, WHICH WILL PROBABLY PLACE NEXT TO HIM UNDERNEATH HIS ARM, JUST WITH A BRIEF HISTORY. NOT EVERYONE'S GOING TO WANT TO SCAN IT FOR A QR CODE. WE'RE TRYING TO COVER ALL THE ALL THE GENERATIONAL OPTIONS. SO WE'LL WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT, BUT WE'LL COORDINATE WITH STAFF ON THAT. THIS IS A VIEW OF THE, OF THE SCULPTURE FROM THE SOUTH LOOKING NORTH TOWARDS FIRST AVENUE SOUTH. AND SECTIONS AND SAMPLES OF THE MATERIAL. THIS IMAGE YOU JUST SAW IS NOT VERY ACCURATE IN TERMS OF THE FINISH OF THE STATUE. IT'LL BE A COMBINATION OF THESE TWO FINISHES THAT YOU SEE UP HERE IN THE UPPER RIGHT OF THE SCREEN. AND THIS IS THE IMAGE OF THE BUILDING FROM FIRST AVENUE SOUTH AND THE CORNER OF 12TH STREET. I'M GOING TO HAVE JEFF WYNNE COME UP AND GIVE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE HISTORY OF DON WYNNE IN NAPLES AND THE WYNNE FAMILY. THANK YOU. GOOD JOB. GOOD MORNING, MADAM MAYOR. MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL. JEFF WYNNE, I'M THE MANAGER OF DOWNTOWN NAPLES LLC TO 91ST AVENUE SOUTH. I JUST WANT TO TALK TO YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HISTORY OF MY GRANDFATHER, DON WYNNE. DON WYNNE WAS A TRUE NAPLES PIONEER, A MAN WHOSE LIFE AND VALUES HELPED SHAPE THE VERY CHARACTER OF OUR CITY. HIS FAMILY ROOTS IN NAPLES STRETCHED BACK TO 1938, WHEN MY GREAT GRANDPARENTS, PETER AND VIDA WYNNE, PURCHASED THE BAY DOCK HOTEL DOWN BY THE CITY DOCKS OFF 12TH AVENUE AND SEVENTH STREET. BACK THEN THERE WERE ONLY 200 PEOPLE THAT CALLED NAPLES HOME. IT HAD A SMALL CAFE WHERE FISHERMEN KEPT COMING OFF THE DOCKS, COULD ENJOY A HOME COOKED MEAL. ALSO HAD A TINY GROCERY STORE, WHICH WAS THE COMMUNITY HUB. DON. DON FIRST CAME TO NAPLES IN 1941, VISITING HIS PARENTS ON HIS WAY TO FIGHT IN WORLD WAR TWO. HIS. HE RECALLED IT VIVIDLY, SAYING NAPLES LOOKED TERRIBLE. JUST A COUPLE OF DIRT ROADS, A FEW BUILDINGS, AND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF MOSQUITOES. HE TOLD HIS PARENTS NOT TO BOTHER SAVING THE BUSINESS FOR HIM. HE WAS NEVER GOING TO COME BACK HERE. THE MOSQUITOES WERE TOO THICK. HE JOKED THAT ANYONE WEARING A SHORT SLEEVE SHIRT LOOKED LIKE THEY WERE WEARING A LONG SLEEVE SHIRT IF THEY WERE OUTSIDE LONG ENOUGH. BUT DESTINY HAD OTHER PLANS. DON RETURNED BACK IN 1945. HE FELL IN LOVE WITH THE FISHING, THE HUNTING AND A YOUNG WOMAN NAMED ANNE ECCLES. HE MET MY GRANDMOTHER ON THE ISLE OF THAT LITTLE GROCERY STORE. ANNE HAD COME TO COLLIER COUNTY AND 1931 AND LIVED IN EVERGLADES CITY. THEY WERE MARRIED SIX MONTHS LATER WITH A $2,000 GI LOAN. DON PURCHASED THE FAMILY BUSINESS IN 1948. HE MOVED IT TO FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH. AT THAT TIME, THE ONLY NEARBY BUILDINGS WERE THE BANK OF NAPLES, WHICH WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, [02:05:01] THE OLD GOLF HOTEL AND ONE SINGLE FAMILY HOME. THEY. THEY HAULED CRUSHED SHELL FROM THE OPEN FROM THE BEACH TO LAY THE FOUNDATION FOR THE FIRST AVENUE FIFTH AVENUE LOCATION. IN A 1951, DON EXPANDED, OPENING A LARGER GROCERY STORE ACROSS THE PARKING LOT WHILE THE ORIGINAL BUILDING BECAME OUR FIRST SUN.SHINE ACE HARDWARE. SO KILWINS AND KEY WEYDEN'S IS TODAY. DON'S GENEROUS, GENEROUS SPIRIT AND COMMUNITY STEWARDSHIP DEFINED HIS LIFE. WHEN HURRICANE DONNA STRUCK NAPLES ON SEPTEMBER 10TH, 1960, DON AND HIS FAMILY SHELTERED IN THE NEW GROCERY STORE. WHEN THE STORM HAD PASSED, THE DEVASTATION WAS IMMENSE. MANY FAMILIES LOST THEIR HOMES, THEIR LIVELIHOODS. DON QUIETLY STEPPED IN TO HELP. HE ALLOWED FAMILIES TO BUY GROCERIES ON CREDIT. NO INTEREST. NO PRESSURE. JUST ONE REQUEST. PAY ME BACK WHEN YOU CAN. AND FOR A LOT OF THIS FAMILY, IT TOOK YEARS. BUT DON BELIEVED IN CARING FOR YOUR NEIGHBOR. AND HE LIVED THAT DAILY IN HIS LIFE. FAITH WAS ANOTHER BIG PART OF DON'S LIFE. HE SERVED IN LEADERSHIP ROLES FOR THE FIRST BAPTIST CHURCH OF NAPLES, HELPED BUILDING THREE CHURCH CAMPUSES OVER HIS LIFETIME WITH THE ORIGINAL FIRST BAPTIST LOCATION JUST RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. AS AN ENTREPRENEUR, DON WAS AN INNOVATOR. HE BROUGHT THE FIRST REFRIGERATED MEAT CASE TO NAPLES. HIS SUNSHINE FOOD GROCERY STORES GREW TO BECOME SOME OF FLORIDA'S MOST SUCCESSFUL INDEPENDENT MARKETS, AND HIS SUNSHINE ACE HARDWARE STORES WOULD RANK AMONG THE TOP ACE FRANCHISES NATIONWIDE. BUT DON WAS NOT WAS MORE THAN JUST A BUSINESSMAN IN NAPLES. HE WAS A VISIONARY CIVIC LEADER. IN 1953, AS A MEMBER OF THE NAPLES CITY COUNCIL, HE CAST A KEY VOTE THAT SHAPED THE CITY'S FUTURE. NAPLES BECAME ONE OF THE FIRST CITIES IN FLORIDA TO ADOPT A COMPREHENSIVE ZONING. PRESERVING THE MOST. MOST OF THE COASTLINE FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND ENSURING PERMANENT PUBLIC BEACH ACCESS. A DECISION THAT HAS DEFINED THE CHARM AND LIVABILITY OF NAPLES TODAY. HIS COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY EXTENDED TO ONE OF. THE FIRST CITY CREATED 500 1C3 NON-PROFITS. THE NAPLES PLAN, WHERE FUNDING CREATED EARLY INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE MOSQUITO CONTROL IMPORTANT FOR THE STREET SURFACING, BEACH EROSION PROTECTION, WATER FILTRATION AND SIDEWALKS. HIS GENEROSITY TOUCHED COUNTLESS CAUSES AND ORGANIZATIONS OVER THE DECADES, SETTING THE TONE FOR THE CULTURE OF PHILANTHROPY THAT NAPLES IS KNOWN FOR TODAY. THROUGH IT ALL, DON REMAINS REMAINED HUMBLE, A SERVANT LEADER WHO PUT PEOPLE BEFORE PROFIT AND VALUED OLD FASHIONED SERVICE. THESE PRINCIPLES CONTINUE TO GUIDE THE WIND FAMILY BUSINESSES TODAY, WHERE MANY OF OUR ASSOCIATES HAVE WORKED WITH US, FOR US FOR OVER 30, 40 AND ONE FOR OVER 65 YEARS. THAT'S. LONGEVITY IS A TESTAMENT TO DON'S ENDURING INFLUENCE. DON'S EXAMPLE LIVES ON THROUGH HIS FAMILY'S CONTINUED SERVICE IN NAPLES. DON FOREVER WILL BE AN INTEGRAL PART OF NAPLES HISTORY, NOT JUST AS ONE OF ITS PIONEERS, BUT AS A MODEL OF A SERVANT LEADER AND A CIVIC SPIRIT THAT BUILT THIS CITY FROM ITS EARLIEST DAYS. OUR HOPE WITH THIS STATUE WILL SEND US MORE THAN JUST A TRIBUTE TO ONE MAN. OUR HOPE IS THAT IT WILL INSPIRE US ALL, ALL WHO SEE IT, RESIDENTS AND VISITORS ALIKE. TO LEARN MORE ABOUT NAPLES RICH HISTORY AND TO EMBRACE THE VALUES THAT MAKE IT GREAT. MAY I REMIND US THAT THIS PARADISE WE ENJOY WAS BUILT THROUGH HARD WORK, FAITH, GENEROSITY, AND A GENUINE CARE FOR YOUR NEIGHBOR. AND THAT IS A DUTY TO CARE. AND THAT IS ALL OUR DUTY TO CARRY ON THE LEGACY FORWARD. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. AND I DO WANT TO SAY THAT HIS LEGACY OF BUILDING GOOD CHARACTER AND COMMITMENT TO CIVIC DUTIES AND TAKING PERSONAL PRIDE IN HIS COMMUNITY. I BELIEVE HE HAS SET THAT TRADITION AND PUT IN PLACE WITH THE OFFSPRING. YOU'RE HIS KIDS AND GRANDKIDS AND FUTURE CHILDREN. THAT THIS GENERATION HAS SHOWN A COMMITMENT TO THIS COMMUNITY. SO THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO MAKING SURE NAPLES STAYS AS BEAUTIFUL AND WONDERFUL AND ENERGETIC AS WE CAN BE. WELL, THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. WITH THAT CONCLUSION ON THAT, I'LL MOVE TO THE STAFF REPORT. GOOD MORNING AGAIN, MADAM MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, JEFF BRAMER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. PETITIONERS REQUESTING APPROVAL TO PLACE PUBLIC ART IN THE COVERED PEDESTRIAN VIA OF A NEW MIXED USE BUILDING AT 1090 FIRST AVENUE SOUTH. THE BUILDING IS A THREE STORY STRUCTURE WITH A GROUND FLOOR COMMERCIAL SPACE, SECOND FLOOR OFFICES AND THIRD FLOOR TRANSIENT LODGING. THIS IS IN THE WINJE DISTRICT OF THE NAPLES SQUARE PLAN DEVELOPMENT LOCATED JUST WEST OF THE. GULFSHORE PLAYHOUSE AND NORTH OF THE NEW MUNICIPAL PARKING GARAGE. THE PROPOSAL IS FOR PUBLIC ART, WHICH IS A STATUE THAT SEEKS TO SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN CODE FOR PUBLIC ART AT NEW COMMERCIAL PROJECTS. AS SUCH, THE PETITIONER REQUESTS APPROVAL TO ERECT A LIFE SIZE 72 INCH BRONZE STATUE OF DON NGUYEN AND THE COVERED PEDESTRIAN V OF THE NEW BUILDING. [02:10:08] APPROVAL OF THE PROJECT WOULD ALSO ALLOW FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT OF THE PUBLIC ART FEE, WHICH DEVELOPERS ARE REQUIRED TO PAY AT THE TIME OF PERMITTING. AS YOU'VE SEEN AND HEARD, THE PROPOSED ART CONSISTS OF ONE SCULPTURAL PIECE. IT DEPICTS MR. NGUYEN AS A YOUNG BUSINESSMAN AND A DELHI HAT AND APRON AT THE COUNTER IN HIS GROCERY STORE. OF COURSE, MR. NGUYEN WAS A RENOWNED LOCAL BUSINESSMAN WHO FOUNDED THE WINJE GROCERY STORE CHAIN AND SEVERAL HARDWARE STORES. HE PASSED AWAY IN 2007. THE SIX FOOT TALL BRONZE SCULPTURE IS ANCHORED TO A CONCRETE SLAB NEXT TO A FOUR FOOT TALL, FINISHED STONE CLAD COLUMN. THE COLUMN REPRESENTS THE COUNTERTOP ON WHICH MR. NGUYEN RESTS HIS ARM. THE STATUE IS POSITIONED ALONG THE WALL TO ONE SIDE OF THE OUTDOOR VIA. THIS IS NEAR A MAIN SET OF DOORS AND SHOULD BE HIGHLY VISIBLE, BUT NOT IMPEDE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC. WE'VE ALSO HEARD ABOUT THE ARTIST COMMISSION TO DO THE WORK. MR. SEIF.A, THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, HEARD THIS PETITION IN JANUARY AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL UNANIMOUSLY, SUBJECT TO ONE CONDITION. THE CONDITION IS NOTED IN THE AGENDA MEMO AND THE DRAFT RESOLUTION. IT REFERENCES ASSURANCES FOR ADA COMPLIANCE. I BELIEVE THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS SOME COMMENTS ON THIS CONDITION BEING IN THE IN THE RESOLUTION. I'LL LET HIM SPEAK TO THAT IN A MOMENT. BUT THE PETITION WAS NOTICED. ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 1000FT OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. TO DATE, STAFF HAS RECEIVED NO PUBLIC COMMUNICATION RELATED TO THE REQUEST. THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS. I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. I MEAN, KRAMER, I WISH. I'LL GET IT RIGHT ONE DAY. THIS IS AWESOME TO ME. I HAVE TO TELL YOU. AND I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF MEETING MR. NGUYEN. AND IN MY FOOTBALL PROGRAM, WE DEFINED A SUPERSTAR AS SOMEONE WHO MAKES THOSE AROUND HIM BETTER. HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ABILITY OR TALENT OR POPULARITY OR ANY OF THAT. AND ALWAYS, ALWAYS. HAS HE BEEN A MODEL OF A SUPERSTAR? GOOD, GOOD. AND I ALSO FIND IT INTERESTING KNOWING EVERYTHING HE'S DONE, THAT THAT'S PROBABLY THE ONLY TIME THAT PICTURE THEY CAUGHT HIM LEANING THE ONE TIME IN HIS LIFE THAT HE WAS LEANING ON SOMETHING AND NOT GETTING SOMETHING DONE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS FABULOUS. I JUST LOVE IT. THANK YOU. NOW, BARTON, I, I WILL ECHO THOSE SENTIMENTS. THIS IS WONDERFUL. WONDERFUL. MAN, TO BE HONORING THE FAMILY HAS BEEN AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE FABRIC OF THIS COMMUNITY FOR DECADES AND DECADES AND DECADES. WE WE I MY FAMILY'S BEEN IN TOWN LONG ENOUGH TO REMEMBER THE HOUSE ACCOUNTS BACK IN THE DAY. THOSE WERE THE GOOD OLD DAYS, RIGHT? SO WE'VE BEEN AROUND FOR QUITE A WHILE, BUT NOT THAT LONG. AND I CAN TELL YOU, THOUGH, AS, AS SOMEONE THAT WAS BORN AND RAISED AND GREW UP IN THIS COMMUNITY BEING SHOOT OUT OF THE HOUSE AND SENT DOWN TO ON MY BIKE, DOWN TO WINJE GROCERY OR THE THE HARDWARE TO GET SOMETHING FOR MY MOTHER WAS A, WAS A REGULAR AND STANDARD PROCESS. SO AGAIN, YOU GUYS IT'S A WONDERFUL TRIBUTE AND I'M BEHIND IT 100%. THANK YOU. I HAVE A PEN. SO MY SISTER MOVED HERE IN 1976, AND I THINK THE FIRST TIME I VISITED HER WAS MAYBE 1978. AND I REMEMBER DRIVING AT ONE POINT IN TIME, I WAS VISITING MY SISTER AT THE TIME THAT THAT MIGHT BE A LITTLE PREMATURE TO THE DWELLING, BUT I REMEMBER DRIVING DOWN TO FIFTH AVENUE AND YOU PULLED INTO WINDS AND YOU PARKED ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE BUILDING, AND THAT WAS IT. AND MY SISTER AND BROTHER IN LAW, THEY WERE IN THE NURSERY BUSINESS. COULDN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT WHAT ALL OF THE INITIATIVES THAT MR. WYNN WAS BRINGING TO THE CITY AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME AND THE LEVEL OF COMFORTABILITY THAT THEY HAD WITH ALL OF THESE NEW CHANGES AS A RESULT OF MR. WYNN. SO THIS IS UTTERLY AND COMPLETELY APPROPRIATE, AND I THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. THANKS. I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES. I THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE A GREAT PERSON. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR STAFF. THE RESOLUTION DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY MENTION THE REIMBURSEMENT OF THE PUBLIC ART FEE THAT THEY PAID. SHOULD IT? IT'S TO MAKE SURE. OKAY, I DIDN'T. I SAW IT IN THE HEADING, BUT IT DOESN'T APPEAR IN THE BODY. YOU MEAN THE AMOUNT. THE SPECIFIC AMOUNT OR THAT IT WILL BE REIMBURSED OR THAT IT WILL BE REIMBURSED? [02:15:06] IF IT NEEDS TO GIVE THE AMOUNT IT CAN. BUT IT JUST SEEMED TO ME LIKE IT SHOULD SPECIFICALLY STATE THAT THE PUBLIC ART FEE SHOULD BE REFUNDED, BUT I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD. SECTION ONE DOES SAY. AND FOR THE REIMBURSEMENT OF THE PUBLIC ART FEE SAID PROPERTY OWNERS MORE FULLY DESCRIBED. SO SECTION ONE DOES AFFIX THAT IT SHALL BE REIMBURSED. WE'RE RIGHT HERE. I JUST DON'T SEE IT. REIMBURSEMENT. THIS IS THE RESOLUTION. REIMBURSEMENT OF THE PUBLIC ART. OKAY. JUST NOT THE DETAILS. THANK YOU. SORRY, I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER. I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THIS IS LIKE AN ALL AMERICAN STORY. I LOVE THAT. I MEAN, THE FACT THAT ALL AMERICAN STORY AND THE WAY YOU PRESENTED IT MIRRORS HIS, YOU KNOW, HIS THE WAY IT'S PORTRAYED REALLY MIRRORS THE WHOLE STORY JUST BY VISUALLY LOOKING AT IT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE ADDED INFORMATION USING THE QR CODE AND ALL THAT. THAT WAS WELL, WELL PLANNED OUT AND VERY NICELY DONE. THANK YOU. OKAY. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF, MR. MCCONNELL. I AGREE WITH YOU. OR YOU'RE GOING TO MENTION THE ADA REFERENCE IN THE RESOLUTION. YES. THANK YOU MAYOR. WHILE I AGREE WITH COMPLYING WITH THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE AND THE ADA I DON'T THINK THE CITY SHOULD BE TAKING THE BURDEN OF ENSURING COMPLIANCE. I THINK COMPLIANCE SHOULD BE ENSURED BY THE APPLICANT. SO WHILE I'M HAPPY TO BE INVOLVED IN THE REVIEW OF IT, I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE THE BURDEN OF ENSURING COMPLIANCE WITH BOTH THE ADA AND THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE. THAT WAS MY ONLY SUGGESTION, BECAUSE THE WAY IT'S WORDED RIGHT NOW IS THAT WE HAVE TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE. AND WHILE WE WILL. I ALSO WANT THE BURDEN TO BE ON THE ON THE APPLICANT THEMSELVES. WE'LL ENSURE COMPLIANCE. THANK YOU, MR. BREMMER. YEAH. THAT'S FINE. IF YOU SAID THAT YOU HAD YOU HAD WATCHED THE MEETING, YOU MIGHT RECALL THAT ONE OF THE MEMBERS. IT CAME UP AS A CONDITION AND APPROVAL THAT THAT LANGUAGE BE ADDED. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHY IT'S IN HERE TODAY. BUT I'VE SPOKEN WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY AND WE HAVE NO OBJECTION TO THAT. I COMPLETELY AGREE. THANK YOU. SOMETIMES WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH WHAT IS ADDED IN OUR CONDITIONS. WITH ALL GOOD INTENTIONS, I'M SURE. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS ON THAT? NO, THANK YOU. MAYOR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I DO NOT HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT. CLOSING COMMENTS? NO COMMENT. I'LL JUST SAY I REALLY APPRECIATE THE STORIES AND TO HEAR YOUR PERSPECTIVE. THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH. WHEN I FIRST SAW IT AT DRB, I WASN'T SURE I THOUGHT IT WAS A NURSE. I DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE BACKUP MATERIAL. AND SO I LOVE THE FACT THAT I DIDN'T HAVE THAT PICTURE OF HIM. AND AS THE PRESENTATION UNFOLDED. I'M GLAD THAT YOU BROUGHT IT BACK TO ME. AND LIKE BOB SAID, ONCE WE BRING IT TO LIFE, IT'S GOING TO LOOK VASTLY DIFFERENT AND A LOT MORE REALISTIC THAN THE MOCKUP WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. YES. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THANK YOU. WILL NOT BE A NURSE. NO, NO, NO, I GOT I'M SURE ALL OF THAT STORY WILL BE WITHIN THAT QR CODE, WHICH I THINK IS GOING TO BE A GREAT BENEFIT FOR THOSE IN CARRYING ON THAT TRADITION. SO WITH THAT CLOSING REMARKS COUNCIL MOTION. I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE STATUE WITH THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS SET BY OUR ATTORNEY, MR. MCCONNELL REMOVED. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KROLL AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL. SO JUST TO CONFIRM, THAT CONDITION IS BEING CHANGED TO SAY THE PETITIONER SHALL ENSURE OR JUST REMOVE. IF COUNCIL'S OKAY. THE CONCEPT IS JUST PUTTING THE BURDEN ON. I DO WANT STAFF TO BE INVOLVED A LITTLE BIT. I JUST WOULD PREFER TO CRAFT THE CONDITION IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE. BASED ON WHAT I JUST HEARD THE MOTION SAYING, WE CAN GO THROUGH IT RIGHT NOW IF COUNCIL WANTS, BUT PRIOR TO FINALIZING, I CAN WORK WITH STAFF TO ENSURE THAT THE MOTION MADE BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRULL IS IMPLEMENTED IN THE CONDITION. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. [02:20:05] KRULL. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. YES. MAYOR. HEITMAN. YES. THANK YOU. AND WE'RE PLEASED TO HONOR HIM. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY. WITH THAT WE'RE GOING TO ITEM. [12.D) A Resolution for the Purpose of Determining Outdoor Dining Petition 26-OD2 Pursuant to Section 56-126 of the Code of Ordinances to Allow Outdoor Dining on Public Property Consisting of 4 Tables, 16 Chairs, 3 Umbrellas, and 3 Heaters, and Outdoor Dining on Private Property Consisting of 9 Tables and 38 Chairs, for a Total of 13 Tables, 54 Chairs, 3 Umbrellas and 3 Heaters on Public and Private Property for Bha! Bha! Persian Bistro, a Restaurant Owned and Operated By DMA Restaurants of Naples, LLC, a Florida Limited Liability Company, Located at 865 5th Avenue South, More Fully Described Herein; Providing Findings and Conditions; and Providing an Effective Date.  ] 12 D. YES. THANK YOU MAYOR. A RESOLUTION FOR THE PURPOSE OF DETERMINING OUTDOOR DINING PETITION 20 6-OD2 PURSUANT TO SECTION 50 6-1 26 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO ALLOW OUTDOOR DINING ON PUBLIC PROPERTY CONSISTING OF FOUR TABLES, 16 CHAIRS, THREE UMBRELLAS AND THREE HEATERS, AND OUTDOOR DINING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY CONSISTING OF NINE TABLES AND 38 CHAIRS FOR A TOTAL OF 13 TABLES, 54 CHAIRS AND THREE UMBRELLAS AND THREE HEATERS ON PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PROPERTY FOR BARTLEBAUGH PERSIAN BISTRO, A RESTAURANT OWNED AND OPERATED BY DMA RESTAURANTS OF NAPLES LLC, FLORIDA LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY LOCATED AT 865 FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH. MORE FULLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, PROVIDING FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. FOR THOSE INTENDING TO OFFER TESTIMONY WHO WERE NOT PREVIOUSLY SWORN IN, PLEASE RISE AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU. DISCLOSURES. COUNCILWOMAN. NO. CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF. KNOW THE LOCATION VERY WELL. FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATION? DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF JUST TO GET CLARITY ON THE AGENDA ITEM. FAMILIAR WITH THE LOCATION AND HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF TO GET FAMILIARITY WITH THE AGENDA ITEM. SCHULTZ FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY, PLEASE. YEAH. FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY? NO CONTACT AND VICE MAYOR FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE. AND A BRIEF OVERVIEW FROM STAFF. THAT'S ALL. I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE, BUT DID NOT RECOGNIZE THE NEW OWNER. AND REVIEWED THE PETITION WITH STAFF WITH THAT. GOOD MORNING. IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS ATANAS CHIRKOV. MADAM MAYOR. VICE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS. WITH RESPECT TO YOUR BUSY AGENDA. I WOULD LIKE TO BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THE RESTAURANT? BABA PRCHAL BISTRO IS AN ESTABLISHED AND WELL-KNOWN RESTAURANT WHERE OUR GUESTS LOVE TO RETURN FOR ANOTHER WONDERFUL MEAL IN A WARM, COZY AND WELCOMING DINING ATMOSPHERE. IN BUSINESS SINCE 1997 AT THE EXISTING LOCATION AT 865 FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH SINCE 2012, OPERATING WITHOUT ANY ISSUES. THE SOLE REASON I'M IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY IS RESPECTFULLY TO REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL OF AN EXISTING PREVIOUSLY REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE FIRE CHIEF AND THE CITY COUNCIL. PUBLIC AND PRIVATE OUTDOOR DINING FOR BABA PERSIAN BISTRO. DUE TO A CHANGE OF OWNERSHIP AND OPERATION TO DMA RESTAURANTS OF NAPLES LLC WITHOUT ANY CHANGES. THE EXISTING PUBLIC OUTDOOR DINING AREA APPROVED BY THE FIRE CHIEF IS 206FT², AND IT'S NOT DIRECTLY ABUTTING THE STOREFRONT OF THE RESTAURANT. THERE ARE FOUR FOUR TOP TABLES, 16 CHAIRS, THREE UMBRELLAS AND THREE HEATERS. THE EXISTING ON SITE PATIO PRIVATE OUTDOOR DINING AREA IS 485FT² AND HAS SEVEN FATOUB TABLES, TWO TWO TOP TABLES, TOTAL OF NINE TABLES WITH 32 SEATS AND SIX OUTDOOR BAR CHAIRS. TOTAL NUMBER FOR BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE OUTDOOR DINING IS 13 TABLES WITH 48 SEATS, SIX BAR SEATS, THREE UMBRELLAS AND THREE HEATERS. WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY CHANGES TO EXISTING LANDSCAPING, SURFACING AND LIGHTING, AND WE WILL KEEP IMPLEMENTING AND MAINTAINING COMPLIANCE WITH SAFETY, ACCESSIBILITY, NOISE CONTROL, SANITATION, ETC. WE PLAN TO ACHIEVE THIS BY FOLLOWING ALL CITY REGULATIONS, IMPLEMENTING CLEAR OPERATIONAL PROCEDURES AND ASSIGNING DIRECT MANAGEMENT OVERSIGHT TO ENSURE ONGOING COMPLIANCE. WE WILL STRICTLY FOLLOW ALL MUNICIPAL OUTDOOR DINING GUIDELINES AND LAYOUT WILL MATCH SUBMITTED SITE PLANS REQUIRED. FIVE FOOT CLEARANCE. CLEAR PEDESTRIAN PATHWAYS WILL BE MAINTAINED AT ALL TIMES. WE WILL MAINTAIN ADA COMPLIANT CLEAR PATHS. STAFF IS TRAINED TO MONITOR WALKWAY CLEARANCE. EMERGENCY ACCESS ROUTES WILL REMAIN UNOBSTRUCTED AND FURNITURE WILL BE SECURED AND STABLE OUTDOOR AREAS CLEANED DAILY. WE CONDUCT CLEANING CHECKS EVERY TWO HOURS. A MANAGER INSPECTS THE AREA BEFORE OPENING AND AFTER CLOSING, [02:25:02] TRASH IS SEALED AND REMOVED. REGULARLY BREAK DOWN AND SECURE STORAGE IS DONE NIGHTLY. WE HAVE PEST CONTROL PROTOCOLS IN PLACE. THERE WILL BE NO AMPLIFIED MUSIC. OUTDOOR SERVICE ENDS AT DESIGNATED HOURS. STAFF MONITORS, MONITORS, GUEST BEHAVIOR AND MANAGEMENT WILL ADDRESS COMPLAINTS IMMEDIATELY. WE ARE COMMITTED TO RESPONDING PROMPTLY TO ANY COMMUNITY CONCERNS, AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT OUTDOOR DINING IS A PRIVILEGE AND WE ARE COMMITTED TO BEING A RESPONSIBLE OPERATOR AND A GOOD NEIGHBOR, AND WE WILL OPERATE AS NEEDED TO ENSURE FULL COMPLIANCE AND COMMUNITY SUPPORT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU, COUNSEL FOR THE PETITIONER. SEEING NONE, WE'LL GO TO THE STAFF REPORT. GOOD MORNING. ONCE AGAIN, TASHIMA LEWIS WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. BEFORE USE OUTDOOR DINING PETITION 2602, THE PETITIONER'S DMA RESTAURANTS OF NAPLES LLC. THE AGENT IS ANTON CHEKHOV. THE THE OUTDOOR DINING PETITION REQUEST IS TO ALLOW OUTDOOR DINING AND PUBLIC PROPERTY CONSISTING OF FOUR TABLES, 16 CHAIRS, THREE UMBRELLAS AND THREE HEATERS AND OUTDOOR DINING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY CONSISTING OF NINE TABLES AND 38 CHAIRS FOR A TOTAL OF 13 TABLES, 54 CHAIRS, 33 UMBRELLAS AND THREE HEATERS IN PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PROPERTY FOR BARTLEBAUGH PERSIAN BISTRO, A RESTAURANT OWNED AND OPERATED BY DMA RESTAURANTS LLC AND LOCATED AT 865 FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH. THE PROPERTY IS A SINGLE STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDING LOCATED WITHIN THE C ONE, A ZONING DISTRICT, AND THE FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH SPECIAL OVERLAY DISTRICT. THE BABA PERSIAN BISTRO RESTAURANT HAS OCCUPIED THE SUBJECT PROPERTY SINCE ABOUT 2013. THE RESTAURANT'S FIRST OUTDOOR DINING PETITION WAS 13 DPB3 WAS APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS BY CITY COUNCIL ON AUGUST 12TH, 2013 VIA RESOLUTION 13 DASH 13318 TO PROVIDE OUTDOOR DINING EXCEEDING 100FT² ON PUBLIC PROPERTY THAT IS NOT DIRECTLY ABUTTING THE STOREFRONT OF THE RESTAURANT WHICH IT SERVES. IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE CHICANE ALONG FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH. THE OUTDOOR DINING AND PUBLIC PROPERTY CONSISTED OF THREE TABLES, TEN CHAIRS AND THREE UMBRELLAS. NO HEATERS ON PUBLIC PROPERTY NOR OUTDOOR DINING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY WERE CONSIDERED. RESOLUTION 13 DASH 13318 ON SEPTEMBER 18TH, 2019. RESOLUTION 13 DASH 13318 WAS AMENDED VIA OUTDOOR DINING PETITION. 19 ODPB1 TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF TABLES AND CHAIRS ON PUBLIC PROPERTY FROM 3 TO 4 AND 10 TO 16, RESPECTIVELY, AND WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL VIA RESOLUTION 2019. 14398. ONCE AGAIN, NO HEATERS ON PUBLIC PROPERTY NOR OUTDOOR DINING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY WERE CONSIDERED. THE LATEST RESOLUTION I HAVE INCLUDED BOTH OF THOSE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED RESOLUTIONS AS A PART OF THE AGENDA ITEM. THE REQUEST IS AGAIN, IS TO ALLOW FOR THE OUTDOOR DINING ON BOTH PRIVATE AND PUBLIC PROPERTY. ON FEBRUARY 1822, 2006, A TOTAL OF 454 LETTERS WERE MAILED TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 1000FT OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AS OF THE DATE OF THIS REPORT, NO CORRESPONDENCE WAS RECEIVED REGARDING THIS REQUEST. THE PETITION WAS REVIEWED BY APPLICABLE CITY DEPARTMENTS. THERE WAS ONE CODE VIOLATION THAT WAS ISSUED IN JANUARY OF 2024 FOR ADDITIONAL TABLES AND CHAIRS AND NONCOMPLIANCE WITH RESOLUTION 2019 14398 AND THE LIFE SAFETY PLAN. THE VIOLATION WAS VOLUNTARILY CORRECTED AND HAS NOT BEEN REPEATED SINCE 2004. THE PROPOSED OUTDOOR DINING PETITION AIMS TO MAINTAIN THE APPROVED OUTDOOR DINING ON PUBLIC PROPERTY CONSISTING OF FOUR TABLES, 16 CHAIRS AND THREE UMBRELLAS, WITH THE INCLUSION OF THE THREE HEATERS, AND ESTABLISH OUTDOOR DINING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY CONSISTING OF NINE TABLES AND 38 CHAIRS FOR A TOTAL OF 13 TABLES, 54 CHAIRS, THREE UMBRELLAS AND THREE HEATERS FOR THE PERSIAN RESTAURANT. PURSUANT TO SECTION 50 6S1 20 6D2 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, STAFF HAVE REVIEWED THE CRITERIA AND FIND THAT THE STANDARDS HAVE BEEN MET. THE LIFE SAFETY PLAN PREPARED BY FERNANDO ZABALA ON JANUARY 13TH, 2026, WAS APPROVED BY THE FIRE MARSHAL. SHOULD CITY COUNCIL APPROVE OUTDOOR DINING PETITION 20 6D2. STAFF RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ONE THE OUTDOOR DINING AREAS ARE LIMITED TO 206FT², WITH A MAXIMUM OF FOUR TABLES, 16 CHAIRS, THREE UMBRELLAS AND THREE HEATERS ON PUBLIC PROPERTY AND 485FT², WITH A MAXIMUM OF NINE TABLES AND 38 CHAIRS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, AS CONFIGURED ON THE APPROVED LIFE SAFETY PLAN PREPARED BY FERNANDO ZABALA AND DATED JANUARY 13TH, 2006. ANY FUTURE EXPANSION, MODIFICATION OR ENHANCEMENT OF THIS OUTDOOR DINING USE SHALL REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL REVIEW AND APPROVAL [02:30:06] TO TRAVEL. DISTANCES AS APPROVED VIA THE LIFE SAFETY PLAN SHALL REMAIN FREE AND CLEAR FROM ALL OBSTRUCTIONS, WHETHER TEMPORARY OR PERMANENT, TO ALLOW FOR SAFE PEDESTRIAN MOBILITY. THREE. ANY CHANGES TO THE LANDSCAPE IN THE FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH RIGHT OF WAY WILL REQUIRE REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF A RIGHT OF WAY PERMIT IN COORDINATION WITH THE COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT. FOR THE OUTDOOR DINING AREA AND PUBLIC PROPERTY WILL REMAIN. WILL MAINTAIN A 42 INCH DISTANCE FROM THE CURB. FIVE. THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO EXECUTE A RIGHT OF WAY AGREEMENT PREPARED BY AND APPROVED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY, IN ADDITION TO ADDING THE CITY AS ADDITIONAL INSURED WITH SUFFICIENT POLICY LIMITS AS APPROVED BY THE CITY. SIX. THE PAVER PATIO WILL MAINTAIN AS PERMEABLE SURFACE SO AS TO PRESERVE THE WATER QUALITY ELEMENT OF THE PREVIOUS LANDSCAPE OF THE PERVIOUS LANDSCAPE, AND SEVEN SIGNAGE IS PROHIBITED IN THE FIVE FOOT, CLEAR, UNOBSTRUCTED SIDEWALK AREA. THIS CONCLUDES OUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YES. VICE MAYOR. YES. SO YOU SAID THESE CONDITIONS WERE RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. HAVE THEY HAVE YOU GONE OVER THEM WITH A PETITIONER AND ARE THEY ACCEPTABLE TO THE PETITIONER? I HAVE BEEN IN CONTACT WITH THE PETITIONER FROM THE ONSET, PROVIDING THE AGENDA ITEMS AND SO FORTH. SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT YOU HAVE REVIEWED THEM. THERE WAS NO OBJECTION TO THE REPORT AND THESE WERE ALSO INCLUDED. SOME OF THEM WERE INCLUDED IN THE PREVIOUS RESOLUTIONS AS WELL. GREAT. THANK YOU. MR.. IF YOU COULD JUST MAYBE VERBALLY SAY YES. YOU AGREE? YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. JUST JUST TO CLARIFY FOR THE PUBLIC, REALLY THE REASON THEY'RE HERE IN FRONT OF US TODAY IS DUE TO A CHANGE IN OWNERSHIP. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY. AND HAVE THERE IS THERE HAVE THERE BEEN CHANGE OTHER THAN THE HEATERS? I THINK THE HEATERS WERE AN ADDED COMPONENT. OTHER THAN THAT, HAVE THERE BEEN ANY CHANGES TO WHAT THE PRIOR OWNER HAD SET UP FROM A STANDPOINT OF OUTDOOR DINING? NO. UPON REVIEWING THE TWO APPROVED RESOLUTIONS, THEY WERE APPROVED FOR THE OUTDOOR DINING ON PUBLIC PROPERTY. IT JUST DID NOT HAVE THE HEATERS IN THERE. SO BASED ON THE LIFE SAFETY PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED. I SAW THE THREE HEATERS. SO WE'RE INCLUDING THAT AND ALSO THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OUTDOOR DINING AREA AS WELL. OKAY. SO NO INCREASE IN TABLES, NO INCREASES IN SEATS, NO INCREASES IN SQUARE FOOTAGE. NOT EVERYTHING'S IDENTICAL, EXCEPT FOR THOSE HEATERS ARE BEING ADDED AS A PART OF THE EQUATION. CORRECT. BUT WE'RE ALSO ESTABLISHING A PRIVATE PROPERTY. OUTDOOR DINING AS WELL, SINCE IT WASN'T EXPLICITLY MENTIONED IN THE TWO PREVIOUS RESOLUTIONS. SO PHYSICALLY THERE WON'T BE ANY CHANGES. THAT'S WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO GO. OKAY, SO PHYSICALLY, IF YOU GO OUT THERE, IT'LL REMAIN WHAT YOU SEE TODAY. YEP. WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE A RECORD OF THE PRIVATE PROPERTY. OKAY. WHICH IS NOT UNCOMMON, BUT THEY WERE ALREADY USING THAT. IT'S IT'S THERE. IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN USED. WE JUST WANTED TO GET THAT. WE NEEDED A LIFE SAFETY PLAN FOR THAT AND TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE. SO GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION FOR STAFF. IF THEY, IF THEY WERE JUST GOING TO DO THE HEATERS, WOULD THEY HAVE TO COME BEFORE US OR WOULD THAT BE DONE ADMINISTRATIVELY? SO TWO THINGS HERE THAT WOULD TRIGGER COMING BEFORE YOU. ONE IS A CHANGE OF OWNER WILL REQUIRE A NEW PERMIT WHICH WILL REQUIRE YOUR APPROVAL. AND THEN ALSO ANYTIME YOU MAKE A CHANGE TO A LIFE SAFETY PLAN, INCLUDING THE ADDITION OF HEATERS, AND WE SPECIFICALLY WANT HEATERS REVIEWED BY THE FIRE MARSHAL AND APPROVED ON THOSE PLANS. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. SO REGARDLESS, IF THE PREVIOUS OWNER WANTED THE HEATERS, WE'D BE SEEING THIS. YOU'D BE HERE. YEP. THANKS. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THE. PROPERTY THAT ABUTS THE BANK. THAT IS PUBLIC PROPERTY. THE PUBLIC IS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE SIDEWALK. PRIVATE PROPERTY IS IS UP AGAINST THE BANK ITSELF. SO ON THE EXTERIOR. ON SITE PATIO, PRIVATE PROPERTY OF 485FT² WHERE THE FOUR TABLETOPS ARE. AND THE OUTDOOR BAR STOOLS ARE PRIVATE PROPERTY. YES. CORRECT. AND THEN THE PUBLIC PROPERTY IS BETWEEN FIFTH AVE AND THE SIDEWALK. PERFECT. GOT IT. JUST CLARIFYING THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? DO I HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT? NO. OKAY. IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE YOUR CLOSING REMARKS. NO REMARKS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. [02:35:04] COUNCIL ANY CONVERSATION OR MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. APPROVING RESOLUTION PETITION 20 6-OD2, WHICH HAS TO DO WITH OUTDOOR DINING CONSISTING OF FOUR TABLES, 16 CHAIRS, THREE UMBRELLAS, THREE HEATERS AND OUTDOOR DINING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY CONSISTING OF NINE TABLES, 38 CHAIRS FOR A TOTAL OF 13 TABLES, 54 CHAIRS, THREE UMBRELLAS AND THREE HEATERS ON PUBLIC AND PRIVATE PROPERTY OF BABA, LOCATED AT 865 FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH. DOES THAT INCLUDE THE SKIN CONDITIONS? LET ME GET A. I HAVE A MOTION SET UP. I KNOW SHE'S GOING TO MAKE A MOTION. OKAY. OH, OKAY. YES. DO I HAVE A SECOND? AND I'LL LET YOU SECOND. OKAY. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER PITMAN AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ. AND I HAVE DISCUSSION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER. YEAH. AND THIS IS IN NO REFLECTION OF YOU OR YOUR BUSINESS. OKAY. BUT I JUST HAVE TO SAY, IF WE HAD A NEW RESTAURANT COMING IN HERE AND WANT TO PUT ANYTHING ON PUBLIC PROPERTY, IT WOULD BE A NO. I CAN'T IMAGINE IT BEING ALLOWED TO GO. AND I AND I ALSO WANT TO SAY, IF THIS PASSES TODAY, I'M SPEAKING FOR ME THERE IN NO WAY DOES THIS SET A PRECEDENT. OUR LAST COUNCIL TALKED ABOUT ROLLING BACK, LETTING PEOPLE USE PUBLIC PROPERTY FOR STUFF. THAT WAS A CONSENSUS THAT WE WERE NOT GOING TO DO THAT. SO NOW HERE WE'RE SAYING, YEAH, CONTINUE TO DO WHAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING. WELL, AT SOME POINT THAT IF IF WE ARE SERIOUS ABOUT IT, YOU CAN'T USE PUBLIC PROPERTY AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME PARAMETERS. SOMEBODY'S GOING TO WALK OUT OF HERE. SAD. PROBABLY WON'T BE TODAY. IT SEEMS LIKE YOU LET THEM DO IT, BUT I'M JUST LAYING THAT FOUNDATION THAT THIS IS A ONE OFF. THIS DOESN'T THIS DOESN'T MEAN IT'S SUPPRESSING IT FOR EVERYBODY. IT'S GOING TO COME BEFORE US EVERY TIME A BUILDING CHANGES HANDS. IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT THAT FLIPS. AND EVERY TIME A RESTAURANT DOES CHANGE HANDS, YOU GET NO MORE PUBLIC PROPERTY. AND IF ANY OF MY COLLEAGUES DISAGREE WITH THAT, I WISH THEY WOULD SAY IT NOW. BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN BREWING FOR A YEAR ANYWAY. IT SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT OUT LOUD. I THINK, I THINK YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT, SIR. AND WITH THAT I WANT TO STAY FOCUSED IN ON THIS PETITION. I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. THANK YOU FOR THAT. YEAH, JUST TO CLARIFY, DOES THE MOTION INCLUDE THE CONDITIONS PROPOSED BY STAFF? YES, I THOUGHT I INCLUDED YOU MAY HAVE I MAY HAVE NOT HEARD IT. SO YES. I THOUGHT I INCLUDED CONDITIONS. YES. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO THE MOTION DID INCLUDE THE CONDITIONS AND THE SECOND AGREES. YES. SCHULTZ. I'M SORRY. YES, YES. OKAY. WITH THAT MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE COUNCIL COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRULL. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. NO. MAYOR HEITMANN. YES. THANK YOU. IT PASSES 6 TO 1. THANK YOU. AND GOOD LUCK AND CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES OUR PETITIONS FOR GOING TO OLD BUSINESS OR NO OLD BUSINESS, GOING TO ITEM 14, A [14.A) A Resolution Approving Submittal of an Application to Collier County to Capture The City’s Fiscal Year 2026-27 Community Development Block Grant (CDBG) Federal Allocation for Funding Support to Install Security Cameras at Charlie C. Anthony Park; and Providing an Effective Date (Supplement 1/Updated Item).] NEW BUSINESS. THANK YOU. MAYOR RESOLUTION APPROVING SUBMITTAL OF AN APPLICATION TO COLLIER COUNTY TO CAPTURE THE CITY'S FISCAL YEAR 2627 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT. CDBG FEDERAL ALLOCATION FOR FUNDING SUPPORT TO INSTALL SECURITY CAMERAS AT CHARLIE C ANTHONY PARK AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I'LL INTRODUCE THIS. THIS IS A RESOLUTION FOR CDBG GRANT SUBMISSION FOR THIS YEAR. SOMETIMES WE WOULD PUT THIS ON A CONSENT. AND THIS THIS IS A REQUEST FOR THE RIVER PARK COMMUNITY, WHICH IS WHERE WE WOULD NORMALLY MAKE THESE REQUESTS. AND BECAUSE THERE IS ALSO KNOWN AS CENSUS TRACK SEVEN IN THE COUNTY, THERE'S JUST SOME INFORMATION WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE WAS AWARE OF. SO FELIX IS HERE, WHO IS THE STAFF LIAISON WHO MAKES THE APPLICATIONS WITH THE DEPARTMENTS WHO ARE SUBMITTING AND ALSO GOES ON BEHALF OF THE CITY TO TO ANY COUNTY REQUIRED MEETING TO, TO DEFEND THE REQUEST. [02:40:02] SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO FELIX TO LET HIM TALK ABOUT THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS IN THE SUPPLEMENT AND ANY OTHER THING HE WANTS TO DISCUSS. SO WITH THAT, FELIX GOMEZ, THANK YOU. THERE IT IS. CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? GOOD. ALL RIGHTY. SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDES, THE FIRST SLIDE IS DEPICTING THE RIVER PARK COMMUNITY IS DIVIDED BY FRANK ROAD. SO IT'S JUST EXPLAINING WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE. THAT'S WHAT WE NORMALLY WHAT WE NORMALLY WOULD DO ON THE PRESENTATION TO SHOW THEM THE AREA WHERE THAT IS COVERING THAT AREA THERE. SO IT'S KIND OF SELF-EXPLANATORY. ANY QUESTIONS ON THE FIRST SLIDE? THAT'S THE STANDARD AREA THAT WE HAVE THERE. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, I DON'T, I GOT, I CAN CONTROL IT FROM THIS SIDE. THERE WE GO. THIS SLIDE HERE IS DEPICTING ALL THE PROJECTS THAT THEY HAVE DONE FOR CDBG FOR US. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S A TOTAL OF 14 COUNTRIES. YOU CAN SEE IT ON YOUR SCREEN, RIGHT? YEAH. YES. BUT IT'S TOO SMALL TO SEE ON THE SCREEN. SO I GOT IT. DAVID. NO WORRIES. YOU CAN SEE THE TOTAL IS $1.9 MILLION FOR THE 14 PROJECTS THAT ARE DONE FOR THE CITY. RIGHT. SO THEY HAVE GIVEN US QUITE A BIT OF MONEY ALL THROUGH THE YEARS, SO I CAN ENUMERATE ALL THE PROJECTS SO YOU CAN SEE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THEY'RE GIVING US AT LEAST FOUR PROJECTS FOR THE AREA IN QUESTION, WHICH IS ANTHONY PARK. OKAY. HERE'S THE CENSUS. TRACK SEVEN IS GIVING YOU A QUICK EXPLANATION. IN THE PAST, THIS CENSUS TRACK IS WHERE WE GOT ALL OUR AUTHORITY TO ACTUALLY GET FUNDED THROUGH HUD. RIGHT? SO AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE SECOND STATEMENT IS ESTIMATED 7.5% OF THE RESIDENTS IN CENSUS TRACTS ARE LOW AND MODERATE INCOME PERSONS. RIGHT? AND THE THE LAST TWO COMMENT IS BASICALLY TELLING YOU THAT THIS IS THE WHAT THEY USE TO FUND OUR PROJECTS, RIGHT? SO IT'S ALL INCOME BASED RELATED. OKAY. SO THAT'S THE BASIS OF HOW WE GOT THE MONEY THROUGH THE CENSUS TRACK. OKAY. NOW WHEN WE APPLY THIS YEAR, BECAUSE THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE NEED TO APPLY AND WE WENT TO THE CENSUS TRACK. THIS RECORD WAS NOT DESIGNATED, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE. THE REASON FOR NOT BEING DESIGNATED IS YOU CAN SEE IN THE THIRD STATEMENT THAT THE MEDIAN INCOME WAS $49,000 AND 21, 53,000, FIVE, 25 AND 22 AND 58,000, TWO, 76 AND 23. OKAY. TO BE ELIGIBLE TO BE THE QUALIFIED CENSUS TRACT, THE MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME MUST BE LESS THAN OR EQUAL TO 60% OF THE AREA MEDIAN INCOME ADJUSTED TRACK OF AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD SIZES, WHICH WAS 48,021, 52 AND 22, AND 54,220 AND 23 IN AT LEAST TWO OF THE LAST THREE YEARS, MEANING THAT LESS THAN 50% OF THE HOUSEHOLDS HAD INCOMES BELOW THE LIMIT. SO BASICALLY, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO PAINT THIS PICTURE THAT IN THE PAST, THE INCOME WAS SUPPORTIVE OF BEING ABLE TO QUALIFY FOR THIS, AS YOU CAN TELL BY ADDING 1111 ALL THOSE TOWERS NEXT TO THESE AREAS THAT'S IMPACTED YOUR YOUR INCOME. MEANING THAT WE DO NOT QUALIFY. WHEN I SUBMITTED THE GRANT FOR THIS TIME AROUND, THEY ALLOWED US TO SUBMIT THE GRANT. BUT NOW WE HAVE TO DO A JUSTIFICATION FOR THAT PARTICULAR AREA TO MAKE SURE THEY LET US GO. THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT IT WILL GIVE US THE MONEY, BUT THEY ALLOWED US. SO IN TURN, AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT, THAT'S THE IMMEDIATE IMPACT OF THIS. THE THE INCOME IN THE FUTURE IS THAT MOST LIKELY WE WILL NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO QUALIFY AT ALL. BECAUSE AS YOU CAN TELL, THE MORE GROWTH YOU HAVE IN THAT AREA, THE MORE INCOMES GET RISEN. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MEET THE QUALIFICATION. SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON GARY WANTED TO ADD THIS PIECE TOO. SO WE ALL UNDERSTAND THE REASONING WHY WE MIGHT NOT GET IT THIS TIME, AND WHY WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO QUALIFY FOR ANY, ANY, ANY MONEY IN THE FUTURE. OKAY. AND THAT'S ABOUT IT. GOT A PRETTY SIMPLE. TRYING TO GIVE YOU A QUICK BREAKDOWN OF WHY WE'RE NOT GETTING ELIGIBLE. GO AHEAD. YEAH. AND I'LL SUPPLEMENT THAT IS THE TOTAL SUBMISSION THAT WE'VE HAD AS FAR AS IF YOU READ THE AGM REMEMBER THE THERE WAS POLLING DONE YEARS AGO AND IN THERE WAS A LIST OF EVERYTHING FROM STREET LIGHTS TO SIDEWALKS TO RESTROOMS. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE LIST, WE'VE BEEN CHECKING THEM OFF OF THE LIST, OBVIOUSLY. AND THE LARGEST ONE WAS THE 683,000, WHICH IS THE MOST RECENT ONE WE HAD. [02:45:01] SO WE WERE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'VE BEEN WE HAD BUDGETED WITHIN THE CRA THESE CAMERAS, WHICH WAS ALWAYS ON THE LIST. SO WE THOUGHT, WELL, LET'S GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT THAT IT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL REQUEST FOR THE COMMUNITY, EVEN THOUGH WE MAY BE ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPOSAL. BUT LET'S SUBMIT IT. IN WORST CASE SCENARIO, WE GET ALL OR A PORTION OF IT, BUT IT WAS ALREADY WITHIN THE WHEN THE CITIZENS WERE SURVEYED BACK IN 2018. THIS WAS KIND OF ONE OF THE LAST THINGS ON THE LIST. SO IT'S KIND OF BEEN DONE IN AN ORDER THAT WAS WAS LOGICAL. AND GIVEN WHERE WE STAND COMPARED IN THE MEDIAN INCOME, TO GO BACK AND START A POLL ALL OVER THAT FOR ONE YEAR MADE NO SENSE. SO CONTINUING IT OUT, TRYING TO GET THIS MONEY AND WE'LL SEE WHERE WE LAND IN THIS REQUEST. SO. THANK YOU. I HAVE VICE MAYOR. SO WHO DETERMINES THE BOUNDARIES OF THESE TRACKS? TRACK SEVEN IS THAT THE US CENSUS BUREAU OR CENSUS BUREAU WITH HUD? IT'S A COMBINATION OF AGENCIES THAT GET THIS DATA FROM. IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT REVISING THAT BECAUSE OF THE GROWTH IN THIS AREA WITH NAPLES SQUARE 1111, CENTRAL MANGROVE BAY, ALL THESE. SO THERE'S A LOT MORE PEOPLE THERE NOW THAN THERE WERE PREVIOUSLY. SO MAYBE THEY SHOULD DIVIDE THIS UP DIFFERENTLY GOING FORWARD SO THAT THE CENSUS. THE APPLICABLE CENSUS TRACT IS MORE JUST THE RIVER PARK, EAST AND WEST COMMUNITY. I CAN INQUIRE WITH THE COUNTY AND TO SEE I FROM THE READING AND RESEARCH THAT I'VE DONE. I DON'T THINK SO BECAUSE THEY, AS AN INDEPENDENT AGENCY THAT DOES THESE SURVEYS AND DOES, YOU KNOW, THE MATH TO GET THESE NUMBERS OUT, BUT I CAN ALWAYS REACH OUT TO THE COUNTY AND SEE IF YEAH. IS IT POSSIBLE FOR US TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S WORTH AN INQUIRY BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT REALIZE THE GROWTH IN THAT AREA THAT HAS HAPPENED OVER JUST RECENT YEARS, RIGHT? SO SURE, WE CAN WE CAN DO THAT. SO I'LL JUST SAY VICE MAYOR, THOUGH, THE DETERMINING FACTOR IS THE INCOME LEVELS, RIGHT? BUT SO THE RIVER, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE RIVER PARK COMMUNITY WOULD QUALIFY. EXCEPT THAT THE MATH IS BEING IMPACTED BY PEOPLE WHO'VE MOVED IN TO THESE LUXURY CONDOS IN NAPLES SQUARE AND 1111 CENTRAL. I THINK THE THE VICE MAYOR AND FELIX MAKE A GOOD POINT. I WOULD I ONE THING I WOULD SAY TO THAT IS, IS I THINK WE'LL FIND OUT WE HAVE VERY LITTLE INFLUENCE AS AS THE MAYOR WAS INDICATING. BUT THERE'S NO HARM IN TRYING. THE OTHER THING I WOULD SAY IS, IS WHILE IT IS INFLUENCED BY THE NUMBER OF CONDOS AND, AND THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT IS COMING IN THERE, BUT I THINK THAT THOSE TRACKS ARE ACTUALLY CHANGING SOMEWHAT TOO. SO AT LEAST AT THE, AT LEAST IN THE MOST RECENT 2 OR 3 YEARS. SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT IN TOTALITY. BUT FIRST, LET'S, LET'S FIND OUT IF WE CAN, IF THE TRACK, THE TRACK HAS ANY MASSAGING IN OR IT'S OUTSIDE OUR CONTROL, THEN WE'LL KIND OF GO BACK FROM THERE. BUT I THINK BOTH EXIST. SO THANK YOU. GOT IT. OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. I DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. DO I HAVE A MOTION? DON'T EVERYBODY JUMP AT ONCE. I'M TRYING TO FIND THE WORDS. IT'S FREE MONEY. MAYOR. I'LL DO IT. A RESOLUTION. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION APPROVING SUBMITTAL OF AN APPLICATION TO CARTER COUNTY TO CAPTURE THE CITY'S FISCAL YEAR 2627 COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT. FEDERAL ALLOCATION FOR FUNDING SUPPORT TO INSTALL SECURITY CAMERAS AT CHARLIE C ANTHONY PARK AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE COUNCIL. MEMBER. YES. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ. YES. VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP. YES. COUNCILMEMBER BARTON. YES. COUNCILMEMBER KRAMER YES. COUNCILMEMBER PENNIMAN YES. MAYOR HEITMANN YES. THANK YOU. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, FELIX AND MR. YOUNG. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM 14 B, WHICH IS A EXECUTIVE SESSION AND 14 C AT 1230. 14 D IS AN ANNOUNCEMENT. THANK YOU. MAYOR CITY ATTORNEY IS ANNOUNCING HIS REQUEST FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION CLOSE TO THE PUBLIC FOR THE PURPOSE OF SEEKING ADVICE CONCERNING [14.D) Announcement of an Executive Session regarding Riccardo, Theresa v. City of Naples, Case No. 24-CA-002400, 20th Judicial Circuit, in and for Collier County, Florida.] SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATIONS OR STRATEGY RELATED TO LITIGATION EXPENDITURES ASSOCIATED WITH LITIGATION STYLED RRICARDO THERESA VERSUS CITY OF NAPLES. [02:50:04] CASE NUMBER 24CA002400. AND FOR COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA ON APRIL 1ST, 2026, AT APPROXIMATELY 1230 IN THE CITY'S CONFERENCE ROOM ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF CITY HALL, EXECUTIVE SESSION IS EXPECTED TO LAST APPROXIMATELY ONE HOUR. THE ENTIRE SESSION IS RECORDED BY A COURT REPORTER WHO SHALL RECORD THE TIMES OF COMMENCEMENT. TERMINATION OF THE SESSION. ALL DISCUSSION, THE NAMES OF ALL PERSONS PRESENT AND THE NAMES OF ALL PERSONS SPEAKING. NO ACTION WILL BE TAKEN BY COUNCIL DURING THIS MEETING. ANY ACTION REQUIRED BY COUNCIL WILL BE TAKEN AT A FUTURE PUBLIC HEARING. THE FOLLOWING INDIVIDUALS WILL BE PRESENT DURING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. MAYOR TERESA HEITMANN, COUNCIL MEMBERS BILL KRAMER, LINDA BYRNE, BARTON, TED BLANKENSHIP, JOHN KRULL, SCOTT SCHULTZ, CITY MANAGER GARY YOUNG, CITY ATTORNEY MATTHEW MCCONNELL, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY ANDREW DICKMAN, ATTORNEY JEFFREY HRCOMPANY, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM DEAN'S COURT REPORTING. THANK YOU. I BELIEVE I SAID IT, BUT THE EXECUTIVE SESSION IS EXPECTED TO LAST APPROXIMATELY ONE HOUR. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, WE'RE MOVING TO 14 E, WHICH IT WAS THE ADDED ITEM WHICH WE WILL HEAR AFTER THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. AND WITH THAT WE WILL GO TO ORDINANCES AND OUR FIRST READING ITEM 15 A MR. [15.A) First Reading of an Ordinance for the Purpose of Adopting the 2025 Level of Service Report.   An Ordinance for the Purpose of Adopting The 2025 Level of Service Report; Providing for Conflicts; Severability; Correction of Scrivener’s Error; Construction; Publication; and an Effective Date.] MCCONNELL. YES. THANK YOU MAYOR. AN ORDINANCE FOR THE PURPOSE OF ADOPTING THE 2025 LEVEL OF SERVICE REPORT PROVIDING FOR CONFLICTS. SEVERABILITY, CORRECTION OF SCRIVENER'S ERRORS, CONSTRUCTION, PUBLICATION AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU. AND COUNCIL. THIS PROBABLY WILL BE ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF, SO WE'LL SEE WHERE WE GET. AND WE WILL PAUSE IF NEEDED TO GO TO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND THEN RESUME WHEN WE COME BACK. WITH THAT. GOOD MORNING. ERIC MARTIN PLANNING DIRECTOR. WE HAVE FOR YOU TODAY THE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE, AND THIS IS THE 2025 LEVEL OF SERVICE REPORT. WE WILL ALSO BE SCHEDULING YOUR SECOND HEARING FOR APRIL 1ST 2026. AS YOU KNOW, CHAPTER 48 OF YOUR CODE OF ORDINANCES IS YOUR CONCURRENCY MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AND MONITORING REQUIREMENTS SECTION OF THE CODE REQUIRES THE PREPARATION OF AN ANNUAL LEVEL OF SERVICE REPORT. MONITORING. MONITORING REPORT TO BE PRESENTED TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD IN FEBRUARY OF EACH YEAR AND THEN TO CITY COUNCIL FOLLOWING THE REVIEW. THE REPORT IS AN EVALUATION TO DETERMINE IF THE ADOPTED LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARDS IN CHAPTER 48 FOR PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE AND IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ARE BEING MET. SO WE WERE BEFORE YOU AT THIS TIME LAST YEAR WITH THE 2024 REPORT BACK BEFORE YOU TODAY WITH THE 2025. THE CHAPTER 48 DOES DETERMINE THAT THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD IS THE DESIGNATED REVIEW BODY FOR POTABLE WATER, SANITARY SEWER, SOLID WASTE, DRAINAGE AND STREET TRAFFIC LEVELS OF SERVICE, AND THAT THE COMMUNITY SERVICES ADVISORY BOARD IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE REVIEW OF THE RECREATION FACILITY, RECREATION AND PARKLANDS FACILITIES LEVEL OF SERVICE. SO THOSE RESPECTIVELY, THE PARKLANDS DID GO TO THE C, S, A, B, AND THEN THE OTHER LEVELS OF SERVICE WERE REPORTED TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. AND THEIR REVIEWS ARE, ARE PART OF WHAT IS BEFORE YOU FOR YOUR REVIEW TODAY. SO THE PURPOSE OF THE LEVEL OF SERVICE REPORT IS TO IDENTIFY ANY CURRENT OR POTENTIAL DEFICIENCIES. GIVEN THE POPULATION PROJECTIONS FOR THE SERVICE AREA AND PROVIDE REMEDIES FOR THE DEFICIENCIES. SO WHAT WE HAVE FOR YOU TODAY IS JUST THE REPORTING PORTION OF THIS LETTING YOU KNOW KIND OF WHERE WE ARE IN 2025. FOLLOWING THE 2025 AND THEN ITS SECOND READING, WE WILL PRESENT TO YOU WHAT WE CALL THE MITIGATION STRATEGIES. SO ANYWHERE WE ARE DEFICIENT IN THE LEVELS OF SERVICE AT SECOND READING, WE WILL REPORT TO YOU THE MITIGATION OF WHAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING, WHAT WE ARE DOING, AND WHAT WE ARE PLANNING TO DO TO MEET THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE ARE DEFICIENT IN. SO WE HAVE THE DIFFERENT REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS HERE TO PRESENT THEIR LEVELS OF SERVICE. AS THE PLANNING DIRECTOR, I RECEIVED THE LEVELS OF SERVICE REPORTS ON EACH OF THESE LEVELS OF SERVICE FROM THE DIRECTORS, COMPILE THEM AND PRESENT THEM TO YOU TODAY. BUT LUCKILY NONE OF THEM ARE MY ACTUAL DISCIPLINE. SO WE HAVE DOCTOR JORGE HERE TO PRESENT TO YOU THE A NUMBER OF THE REPORTS HE WILL BE PRESENTING TO YOU. SORRY. THE POTABLE WATER, SANITARY SEWER, SOLID WASTE DRAINAGE. WE HAVE ALISON BICKERT WILL BE PRESENTING THE STREETS AND TRAFFIC ELEMENT OR PORTION OF THIS. AND THEN CHAD MERRITT FROM PARKS WILL PRESENT TO YOU THE PARKS SECTION. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. SO THIS IS TO GET THE REPORTS FROM STAFF, BUT FOR FIRST READING, SECOND READING, WE WILL DISCUSS THE MITIGATIONS. SO ON FIRST READING. SO I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE BACKGROUND. SORRY. SO THE LEVELS OF SERVICE FOR POTABLE WATER, SANITARY SEWER, SOLID WASTE DRAINAGE, STREET TRAFFIC AND RECREATION FACILITIES AND PARKLANDS ARE ESTABLISHED IN YOUR CODE AND IN YOUR COMP PLAN. [02:55:03] SO THOSE LEVELS OF SERVICE HAVE ALREADY BEEN SET. WHAT WE DO ANNUALLY IS REPORT TO YOU WHETHER WE ARE OR ARE NOT MEETING THOSE LEVEL OF SERVICE. SO WE'RE NOT HERE TO DISCUSS WHAT THE LEVELS OF SERVICE ARE. WE'RE HERE TO REPORT TO YOU WHETHER WE ARE OR ARE NOT MEETING THOSE ALREADY ESTABLISHED LEVELS OF SERVICE. THAT'S WHAT WE'LL BE DOING TODAY. YOU WILL SEE AS WE GO THROUGH THIS, THERE IS ONE OF THOSE LEVELS OF SERVICE THAT THE CITY IS NOT MEETING. SO WE'LL DISCUSS WITH YOU WHY WE HOW AND WHY WE ARE NOT MEETING THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE. AND THEN WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU AT SECOND READING WITH THE MITIGATION STRATEGIES FOR HOW WE ARE PLANNING TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. ALL RIGHT. I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO DOCTOR JORGE TO PRESENT HIS LEVELS OF SERVICE. THANK YOU. ERICA. COUNCIL. AND MANAGER YOUNG. I'M GOING TO START WITH POTABLE WATER AND POTABLE WATER SUPPLY PRODUCTION, DISTRIBUTION LEVEL OF SERVICE. AND I'M PLEASED TO REPORT THAT WE DO MEET LEVEL OF SERVICE REQUIREMENTS AS REQUIRED IN YOUR COMP PLAN FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS PRESENTATION. AND WHAT YOU HAVE NOW ACTUALLY PRESENTED BEFORE YOU STARTED WITH LITTLE BACKGROUND FOR THE CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE UNDER DCA RULE 9J5, WHICH CHANGED OVER THE YEARS, CALLED OUR ANNUAL UTILIZATION AND INVENTORY REPORT OF CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE THAT IS DRINKING WATER, POTABLE WATER, MUNICIPAL GARBAGE COLLECTION, WHICH INCLUDES HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE COLLECTION, IRRIGATION, WATER, AMONG OTHERS. SO. AS FAR AS THE WASTEWATER GOES GOING BACK, GOING BACK TO THE WATER. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. YES. VICE MAYOR. SO COULD YOU JUST CLARIFY THE DEMAND THAT YOU'VE CALCULATED? I SEE PROJECTED DEMAND IS THAT BASED ON CURRENT POPULATION IN THE SERVICE DISTRICT, OR DO YOU ALSO CONSIDER PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IN THE SERVICE DISTRICT, PARTICULARLY OUTSIDE THE CITY, THAT MAY ADD TO POPULATION THAT MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BEEN APPROVED YET? HOW DO THOSE FACTOR IN? THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES. WE'RE USING A MODEL IN ADDITION TO POPULATION NUMBERS THAT WE GET FROM BEAVER. AND ALSO WE CHECK OUR FLOW OF DATA. LAST TEN YEARS, AND GIVEN THE FLOW OF DATA, WHICH IS MUCH MORE REPRESENTATIVE OF REALITIES IN THE GROUND UP PROJECT, OUR SUPPLY DEMAND AND FORECAST THAT TO THE FUTURE. NOW UNDER VICE MAYOR, AIR AND LOSS REPORTING IS A SNAPSHOT FOR A FIVE YEAR WINDOW. IT'S NOT LIKE MASTER PLANNING LOOKING AT 20 YEARS OUT. SO IT'S A SHORT WINDOW OF SAYING, ARE WE CONCURRENT OR NOT FOR THIS YEAR, TOWARD NEXT YEAR? IT'S LIKE A ROLLING AVERAGE. AND THE INTENT, ORIGINAL INTENT WAS FOR POLICYMAKERS TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE DECISION IN TERMS OF CAN WE ALLOW GROWTH. IF WE ARE, WE ARE NOT CONCURRENT. SO WITHIN THE CITY BOUNDARIES AND WITHIN THE CITY UTILITY BOUNDARIES, WHICH INCLUDES PORTIONS OF COLLIER COUNTY. I'M PLEASED TO REPORT TO YOU THAT WE DO HAVE THE CAPACITY, AND WE DO HAVE THE DISTRIBUTION NETWORK, AND WE DO HAVE THE CIPS LAID OUT FOR NEXT FIVE PLUS YEARS THAT WE WILL BE CONCURRENT NEXT FIVE YEARS. AND WE ARE CURRENTLY CONCURRENT WITH YOUR ADOPTED LEVEL OF SERVICE STANDARD. I HOPE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. YES. THANK YOU. SO WE STILL HAVE THE CONCERN ABOUT AFTER THAT FIVE YEARS, RIGHT? THAT THAT'S NOT RELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION. IT'S MORE ABOUT THE OTHER DISCUSSIONS WE'RE HAVING ON, I FORGET THE INTEGRATED WATER SUPPLY PLAN THAT WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT FUTURE YEARS. SO THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. JUST TO FOLLOW UP. YOU WILL BE SEEING OUR CIP PROGRAM COMING YOUR WAY AND UNDER OUR NEW CITY MANAGER'S [03:00:10] VISIONARY FINANCIAL MASTER PLANNING GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND FIVE YEARS, LIKE WE HAVE DONE IN STORMWATER UTILITY, AND WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING VERY SIMILAR IN OUR WATER SEWER AS WELL AS SOLID WASTE AS WELL. YOU WILL SEE THERE'S GOING TO BE A CIP CONCURRENT TO FINANCIAL MASTER PLANNING WHAT IT WILL TAKE FOR US TO BE CONCURRENT, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IN COMPLIANCE WITH FORESHADOWING WHAT'S COMING AT US IN TERMS OF NEW RULES AND REGULATIONS AND MAKE ADJUSTMENTS IN OUR TREATMENT SYSTEM AND DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. SO TO TO GIVE YOU SOME COMFORT LEVEL THAT YOU WILL SEE IN OUR BUDGET CIP DISCUSSIONS MUCH LONGER TERM. LOOK OUT AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO NEXT FIVE, TEN AND 20 YEARS OUT. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. I HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN AND PERHAPS THE SAME QUESTION. DOCTOR GEORGE, I HAVE A NOTE TO MYSELF THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT HAS EXCEEDED THE CITY'S DRAINAGE LOSS. I HAVE IT WRITTEN AMONG MY NOTES THAT NEW DEVELOPMENT HAS EXCEEDED THE CITY'S DRAINAGE LOSS. WE WILL. WE WILL ADDRESS THAT WHEN WE GET INTO STORMWATER PORTION OF THE LOSS. PERFECT. WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE CURRENTLY UNDER POTABLE WATER AND DRINKING WATER. VERY GOOD. AND THAT'S ALSO ADDRESSED THAT WHEN WE GET THERE. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE KRAMER AND JUST IN THAT VEIN IF I'VE READ IT RIGHT, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT EXPECTED OR REQUIRED. YOU'VE ALREADY LOOKED OUT IN FIVE YEAR INCREMENTS, AT LEAST TO 2040. THROUGHOUT. IS THAT THE CASE? IT'S YOUR PROJECTIONS, OR AT LEAST TO 2040 AS IT IS, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT REQUIRED YET BY THIS REPORTING. SO VERY GOOD QUESTION. ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WILL SEE COMING BEFORE YOU AS PART OF THE CIP, WE WILL MOVE FROM INTEGRATED WATER STRATEGY OR STUDY TO MASTER PLANNING FOR YOUR CITY UTILITY DISTRICT. THAT WILL INCLUDE R&R REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT, WHICH IS USER FEE DRIVEN. THAT WILL INCLUDE ENHANCED OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE AND THAT WILL INCLUDE TREATMENT, BOTH WATER RECLAMATION, WHICH IS WASTEWATER AND WATER TREATMENT IMPROVEMENTS ON THE TREATMENT TRACK BY ITSELF, AS YOU MIGHT KNOW. IT WILL BE PART OF OUR CIP PRESENTATION. CURRENTLY, WE ARE OPERATING UNDER ADMINISTRATIVE ORDER FOR WASTEWATER PLANTS AND OPERATIONS. AND WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING COMPLIANCE ORDER AND OR CONSENT ORDER FROM FDEP FOR OUR DISINFECTION PROCESS. SO WITHOUT GETTING INTO DETAILS, ALL THAT CREATES. IT APPEARS TO BE A BAD NEWS, BUT I WANT TO ACTUALLY PRESENT IT AS GOOD NEWS THAT APPEARS AND WILL BE GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR ME AND OUR CITY MANAGER. BRING TO YOU FOR LONGER TERM STRATEGY WITH FUNDING MECHANISM BEHIND IT, HOW WE CAN GET AHEAD OF FORESHADOWING AND LOOKING INTO. YOU ALL HEARD ABOUT FOR FOREVER CHEMICALS, PFOS AND PFOA AND WHAT'S WHAT HAVE YOU. I'M GOING TO THROW SOMETHING IN THERE AS WELL, REGULATED AND UNREGULATED, BUT IT'S COMING AT US. MICRO CONSTITUENT PLASTICS, BTEX, BENZENE, TOLUENE, XYLENE AND WHAT'S PETROLEUM PRODUCTS. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, PHARMACEUTICALS. SO ALL THAT NOT BEING REGULATED, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T GO ABOVE AND BEYOND AND GET READY FOR AND DO SOME OF THE THINGS BEFORE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TELLS US TO DO. SO OUR MASTER PLANNING IS GOING TO INCLUDE MORE COMPREHENSIVE APPROACH THAN PURE LOSS PER CAPITA. DO WE HAVE ENOUGH WATER QUANTITY? YES. NO. THAT MEANS WE'RE GOOD TO GO. I THINK THROUGH OUR SIP PROCESS AND WHAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING HERE IS THAT CHANGING FROM INTEGRATED WATER STRATEGY TO CITY UTILITY MASTER PLANNING, WHICH WILL BE ROLLING EVERY YEAR AND EVERY FIVE YEARS, IT WILL UPDATE THE CIPS, [03:05:01] FORESHADOWING THE UPCOMING REGULATORY ENVIRONMENT AND CONDITIONS AND AND MANDATES. BUT WE WANT TO BE AHEAD OF IT. WE DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR OUR CUSTOMERS. THANKS. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES, DOCTOR. JORGE, MY QUESTION IS MORE CONCERNING WATER PRESSURE. AND IT'S REALLY HARD BECAUSE WE'RE SEASONAL. SO FEBRUARY AND MARCH, WE HAVE THIS HUGE DEMAND THAT WE DON'T SEE THE REST OF THE YEAR. SO WE HAVE THIS SHORT TERM SURGE IN DEMAND FOR WATER. AND IN THIS FIVE YEAR WINDOW, DO YOU FORESEE AN ISSUE WITH THIS? WITH ALL THE HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT BEING DONE IN THE COUNTY THAT WE SERVICE, LIKE PARTICULARLY ON DAVIS, WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF NEW PROJECTS GOING. THE MARRIOTT, THE THE DAVIS TRIANGLE, THE, THE BIG CONDO PROJECT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THERE. WHEN THEY ALL COME ONLINE, WHICH IN A FEW YEARS AND WE'RE IN THAT FIVE YEAR, WHAT'S, WHAT'S YOUR FEELING ABOUT TURNING ON THE TAP IN MARCH AND TAKING A SHOWER WITH WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. SO THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES, I DO. I DO FORESEE CHALLENGES ON OUR PRESSURE FOR THE DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM. AND WE HAVE MULTIPLE PROJECTS LINED UP AND IT WILL BE PRESENTED AS PART OF OUR CIP. ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE DONE AND ALREADY BEING DONE WHILE WE'RE BEING, WHILE WE'RE BUILDING OUR OUTFALL, STORMWATER PROJECT. WE UPSIZED OUR WATER MAIN TO 12 INCH FROM SIX INCH. SO EVERY OPPORTUNITY WE HAVE, WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT NOT ONLY WE HAVE A VELOCITY AND VOLUME CAPACITY THAT. YOU ARE RIGHT. PRESSURE IS AS IMPORTANT, IF NOT MOST IMPORTANT, WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC SAFETY. EVERY HYDRANT IN THE CITY OF NAPLES AND WITHIN OUR DISTRICT, INCLUDING COUNTY TERRITORY PORTION, WILL HAVE TO HAVE APPROPRIATE PRESSURE 24 OVER SEVEN. WORST CASE SCENARIO, INCLUDING FLOWS FOR OUR FIRE SAFETY AND PUBLIC SAFETY. SO I CAN TELL YOU THAT THERE ARE SOME AREAS, HOT ZONES WE'RE GOING TO GO AFTER AND ADDRESS. BUT YOU'RE RIGHT. I THINK THAT THE PRESSURE IS NOT PART OF THE LOSS. HOWEVER, PRESSURE IS PART OF OUR MASTER PLANNING. I HOPE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. THANK YOU. TO THAT POINT, DOCTOR JORGE, WHERE WHEN DO WE GET THE FLOW PROJECTIONS OR. IN TERMS OF THEIR ANNUALLY UPDATED. DOES THAT COME FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT OR WHO WHO MONITORS OUR FLOW PROJECTIONS. FLOW PROJECTIONS COMES FROM OUR MASTER METERS AT THE WATER PLANT AND OUR TANK STATIONS. AND THEY ARE CALIBRATED QUARTERLY AND ANNUALLY BY CERTIFIED OUTSOURCED AND OR IN-HOUSE TECHNICIANS. SO WE GET OUR FLOW NOT ONLY FROM PLANTS, BUT ALSO OUR DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM AND THEN CALCULATE OUR WATER LOSS AND, AND THEN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO PER CAPITA CONSUMPTION. AND THAT'S WHERE THESE LOSS REPORTS COME FROM. SO WE DO WE HIRE SOMEONE ELSE TO DO CALCULATIONS, NOT JUST IN-HOUSE. WE DO IN-HOUSE, BUT ALSO THROUGH MASTER PLANNING PROCESS. WE WILL HAVE OUR SITE INDEPENDENT CONSULTANT NOT ONLY LOOKING AT OUR FLOWS, BUT LOOKING AT ALL THE OTHER INFORMATION THAT MIGHT CALIBRATE AND ADJUST FUTURE PROJECTIONS. JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE FLOW DATA BACKWARD, LET'S SAY FIVE, TEN, 20 YEARS FORECASTING FUTURE HAS MULTIPLE DIMENSIONS. AS WE DID HERE EARLIER IN BUILDING AND DENSITY INCREASES WITHIN OUR CITY AND WITHIN OUR WITHIN OUR SERVICE AREA AS WELL. THAT COUNTY HAS CONTROL OVER IT. BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. WE DON'T, BUT WE'RE OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE SERVICE. SO ALL THAT BECOMES PART OF IT. SO SHORT ANSWER MAYOR IS THAT WE WILL DO BETTER IN TERMS OF PROJECTIONS. AND I THINK THAT WE CAN DO BETTER BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT DIMENSIONS WE'RE DEALING WITH IS MUCH MORE MULTI-DIMENSIONAL THAN MAYBE TEN YEARS AGO. AS WE SEE SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENTS AND OR DEVELOPMENT IN THE BAYSHORE [03:10:07] WITHIN COLLIER COUNTY JURISDICTION. OH. THAT'S INTERESTING. AND THIS TABLE. TABLE ONE. WHERE DID THIS TABLE COME FROM? TABLE ONE. AS FAR AS THE FLOWS, IT COMES FROM OUR PLANT AND AND SATELLITE. THE TANK LOCATIONS WHERE WE HAVE THOSE STORAGE TANKS WITH VFD PUMP STATIONS THAT ACTUALLY MAINTAINS THE PRESSURE, NOT JUST FLOW. SO WE HAVE THE METERS THERE, METERS AT THE PLANT. AND ALSO WE DO HAVE METERS. ON EVERY SERVICE LEVEL IN TERMS OF IN TERMS OF PROVIDING SERVICE. SO. THE WATER DATA IN TERMS OF MILLION GALLONS A DAY COMING FROM US AND OUR PLANS. AND POPULATION DATA COMING FROM BEAVER AS REST OF THE REST OF THE DATA COMES FROM. FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONCURRENCY REQUIREMENTS. GOT IT. THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO IS WHERE THIS POPULATION AND THE MONITORING THE GALLONS A DAY. AND JUST THIS, THESE TABLES, IF THEY WERE HISTORIC TABLES BEING USED. YES THEY ARE. WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT ROLLING AVERAGE AND ON THAT TABLE, WE'RE LOOKING AT YEAR 2024, 2025, AND WE'RE LOOKING AT 20, 30 PLUS FORECASTING. AND THAT'S WHERE WE CAN DO BETTER. THAT'S WHY MADAM MAYOR, YOU'LL SEE PLUS -10% THAT TELLS US THAT WE HAVE SOME WORK TO DO THERE BECAUSE OUR FORECAST IS NOT AS GOOD AS IT SHOULD BE, BUT THIS IS THE BEST WE HAVE. THIS IS WHAT WE KNOW AND WE'RE PRESENTING WHAT WE KNOW. WE'RE DESCRIBING WHAT IS UNKNOWN IN THIS CASE, PLUS -10% IS 20%. GOT IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON THE POTABLE WATER? YES, SIR. I'M JUST CURIOUS. ON THE WELLS. WE HAVE A FEW WELLS. AND DO YOU FORESEE A NEED OF AUGMENTING A DEEPER. WELL, IN THE NEAR. NOT IN THE THREE YEAR, FIVE YEAR WINDOW, BUT MAYBE. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU THINK IS GOING TO BE NEEDED SOONER, OR IS THAT SOONER THE BETTER. AND IT WILL BE PART OF OUR CIP PRESENTATION IN TERMS OF REPLENISHING AND REPAIRING AND REPLACING OUR CURRENT WELLS. FOR THE LYME REACTOR AND STABILIZATION WATER TREATMENT TRACK. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT NEXT TEN AND 20 YEARS OUT, SIR, YOU'RE RIGHT. WE WILL BE LOOKING AT COMPOSITE WELLS NOT ONLY LOWER TAMIAMI AQUIFER SYSTEM. WE HAVE GOOD NEWS IS WE HAVE THE WE HAVE THE LAND THAT IS NECESSARY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A WATER SUPPLY CAPACITY, MEANING WE CAN BUILD COMPOSITE WELLS, NOT ONLY LOWER TAMIAMI AQUIFER, BUT UPPER HAWTHORNE IF NEEDED. LOWER HAWTHORNE THAT AQUIFER SYSTEM IS BRACKISH, BUT ABOUT ONE THIRD OF BRACKISH COMPARED TO GULF. SO NANO NANO, NANO MEMBRANE AND OUTER MEMBRANE COMBINATION ALONG WITH LIME REACTOR STABILIZATION IS GOING TO BE MUCH MORE ROBUST WATER SUPPLY AND IT WILL BE MUCH MORE DROUGHT RESISTANT WATER SUPPLY BECAUSE NOW WE'RE GOING INTO ALTERNATIVE WATER SUPPLY, NOT FRESH WATER SUPPLY. THAT MEANS WE'RE CREATING MORE FRESH WATER THAN WE'RE TAKING. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES, WE WILL BE LOOKING INTO NOT JUST CURRENT WELLS, BUT GOING DEEPER. IS THERE A BREAKOUT? WHAT WHAT'S FLOWING TO THE COUNTY VERSUS CITY OUT OF OUR WATER SYSTEM. I DIDN'T SEE THAT ANYWHERE. IS THERE ANY IDEA OF WHERE WE'RE. YES. IN SUMMARY, I WILL TELL YOU THAT. YES. YES, SIR. I WILL TELL YOU THAT IN SUMMARY COLLIER COUNTY WATER SEWER DISTRICT LAST 12 YEARS PLUS MOVED FASTER TO ALTERNATIVE WATER SUPPLY. MEANING WE ARE IN LOWER AND UPPER HALF TORN AQUIFER SYSTEM. [03:15:01] THAT'S NOT DRINKABLE WATER, LIKE AN IRRIGATION WATER LIKE LOWER TAMIAMI AQUIFER. IT'S NOT A FRESH WATER. IT'S A BRACKISH WATER. HOWEVER, THE WATER SOURCE IS SAFE. DEEPER THEREFORE HAS NOT BEEN SUBJECT TO POTENTIAL SURFACE CONTAMINATION COMING FROM DEVELOPMENT OR GROUND AND WHAT HAVE YOU. SO THE TREATMENT TRACK FOR THAT KIND OF WATER IS NANO AND AERO FILTRATION WHERE NEEDED. ION EXCHANGE POLISHING THAT WILL TAKE EVERYTHING WE BRIEFLY MENTIONED IN TERMS OF PHARMACEUTICALS MICRO CONSTITUENTS FOREVER CHEMICALS OUT. AND, AND, AND I THINK THAT IN OUR CIP PROGRAM LOOKING AT NEXT 20 YEARS, WE WILL HAVE THE ROADMAP, HOW FAST WE CAN GET THERE IN TERMS OF OUR WELL FIELD AS WELL AS OUR TREATMENT SYSTEM. SO THAT NOT ONLY WE, WE ARE DROUGHT RESISTANT AND ALSO PROVIDING WATER THAT INDEED EVERY GALLON OUT OF EVERY BILLIONS OF GALLONS WE SERVE ANNUALLY BECOMES READY 24 SEVEN FOR BABY BOTTLE, BABY FORMULA. THAT'S THE ULTIMATE GOAL. THANK YOU. GOOD QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. OKAY, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. NEXT WE HAVE THE TRANSPORTATION. SO ALSO JUST THE SERVICE AREA MAPS WERE PROVIDED IN THERE AT THE PAB HAD ASKED THAT WE SHOW SOME OF YOUR SERVICE AREAS ARE NOT THE SAME AS THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE DIFFERENT POPULATIONS REPORTED IN HERE, THE POPULATION OF OUR SERVICE AREA FOR POTABLE WATER SERVICE, THOSE ARE DIFFER FROM THE POPULATION OF THE CITY. SO THAT'S WHY WE INCLUDED THOSE MAPS. BUT THE NEXT LEVEL OF SERVICE REPORT IS THE TRAFFIC LEVEL OF SERVICE. CAN YOU GO BACK TO WHERE THAT THAT TABLE IS? IT'S NOT A TABLE. WE JUST I JUST GRABBED THE MAPS OFF OF THE INTERACTIVE MAP, BUT THERE'S JUST A SERIES. IT'S JUST CALLED SERVICE AREA MAPS THAT SHOWS YOU THE RECLAIMED WATER SERVICE AREA, THE WATER SERVICE AREA, AND THE SANITARY SEWER SERVICE AREA. THOSE DIFFER FROM THE CITY OF NAPLES BOUNDARIES. SO YOU CAN JUST SEE, OKAY, SO IT'S IN IN INCLUDED IN THIS UNDER STORMWATER UTILITY. NOPE. IT'S JUST A SEPARATE PDF RIGHT UNDER. SO YOU HAVE A POTABLE WATER, SOLID WASTE SEWER AND DRAINAGE LEVEL OF SERVICE REPORT. AND THEN IN YOUR ATTACHMENTS, THERE'S A SEPARATE PDF THAT IS JUST DEPICTS THOSE MAPS OFF OF THE INTERACTIVE MAP. IT'S LABELED SERVICE AREA MAPS. YEP. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BEFORE WE GO TO, TO THE TRANSPORTATION, WERE WE GOING TO COVER SANITARY SEWER, STORMWATER, EVERYTHING UNDER THIS ONE BEFORE WE WENT TO TRANSPORTATION? SURE. I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT WE WERE GOING TO DO. SO WE STAYED ON THIS DOCUMENT IF WE COULD. YEAH. OKAY. YEP. NEXT IS WASTEWATER TREATMENT. AS FAR AS THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT GOES, WE CALL IT WASTEWATER. HOWEVER, NOW WE'RE CALLING IT WATER RECLAMATION FACILITIES. AND THE REASON BEING WE TAKE WASTEWATER, TURN IT INTO IQ. WATER. THAT MEANS IRRIGATION, QUALITY WATER. THOSE ARE THE PURPLE PIPES, YOU SEE. AND DOING SO, WE WERE ABLE TO UP TO 40, 45% REDUCE OUR POTABLE WATER DEMAND FOR IRRIGATION. THERE IS MORE WORK TO BE DONE AS FAR AS ALTERNATIVE. IRRIGATION. WELL, SUPPLY GOES, THAT GOES BACK TO YOUR INQUIRY, SIR. COMPOSITE WELLS, NOT ONLY FOR. RELIABLE WATER, POTABLE WATER, BUT ALSO IRRIGATION WELLS. SO IN SUMMARY, I'M PLEASED TO REPORT THAT WE DO MEET LEVEL OF SERVICE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CONCURRENCY PURPOSES FOR THIS PERIOD FOR THE WASTEWATER AND WASTEWATER RECLAMATION FACILITIES. WE DO MEET THE CONCURRENCY. YES, MA'AM. WE DO. WE DO HAVE THE CAPACITY, AND WE DO MEET THE CONCURRENCY REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO COLLECT THE WASTEWATER, TREAT THE WASTEWATER AND PRODUCE AS MUCH AS WE CAN. IRRIGATION QUALITY WATER FROM WASTEWATER. OKAY, VICE MAYOR, THANK YOU. SO LOOKING AT THE TABLE ON THE THERE'S NOT A PAGE NUMBER, BUT TABLE ONE UNDER WASTEWATER DESIGN CAPACITY. THE BOTTOM LINE FOR 2030 SAYS ESTIMATED POPULATION 100,000 PLUS OR -10%. [03:20:01] THE PROJECTED LEVEL OF SERVICE WOULD BE 100 VERSUS THE ADOPTED LEVEL OF SERVICE OF 150. SO IS THAT SAYING THERE'S A PROJECTION BY 2030 THAT WE WOULD NOT BE MEETING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AND WE WOULD NEED TO EXPAND OUR CAPACITY SOMEHOW. YOUR FIRST STREET IS RIGHT. IF WE DO NOTHING, WE WILL NOT NEED LEVEL OF SERVICE AT THAT POINT. HOWEVER WHEN WE HAVE OUR MASTER PLANNING, IF WE HAVE SUPPLEMENTAL LEVELS FOR THE EVOLUTION THAT WILL AUGMENT OUR IQ LEVEL. AND AS FAR AS THE TREATMENT TRACK AND FORESHADOWING WHAT WE NEED TO DO FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS TO 15 YEARS, 20 YEARS. CURRENT TREATMENT IS IT'S CALLED HERBAL AND FORMAL TREATMENT SYSTEM. WHAT THAT MEANS IS IT IS BIOLOGICAL TREATMENT ONLY NON-CHEMICAL. AND THE AND PART OF THE TREATMENT IS SIMPLY FILTRATION CENTRIFUGATION. SO THIS IS ABOUT AT LEAST 40 TO 50 YEARS OLD TECHNOLOGY. SO GOING INTO THE NEXT TWO DECADES WE WILL BE LOOKING INTO MDR WHICH IS THE MEMBRANE WATER RECLAMATION. LOW PRESSURE SYSTEMS THAT WILL ACTUALLY TREAT THE WASTEWATER TO BOTH PRIMARY AND SECONDARY STANDARDS EXCEPT NITROGEN AND PHOSPHORUS THAT CAN BE MANAGED THROUGH OUR FERTILIZER ORDINANCE AS WE COMMUNICATE TO OUR CUSTOMERS AND THAT WILL HAVE MUCH MORE CAPACITY IN TERMS OF, SO USING THE SAME FOOTPRINT WHEN WE TRANSITION OUR TREATMENT SYSTEM NEXT TWO DECADES INTO MEMBERS. WE WILL ALSO INCREASE OUR CAPACITY, NOT IN TERMS OF PEAK FLOW, BUT ALSO STEADY STATE FLOW. OKAY, SO 2030, THAT'S FOUR YEARS FROM NOW IS WITHIN THE FIVE YEAR CIP WINDOW. SO SHOULD WE EXPECT SOME INVESTMENTS INTO EXPANDING CAPACITY IN THE FIVE YEAR CIP PLAN? MR.. I JUST WANT TO BRING ONE QUESTION TO THIS TABLE, BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE AS MUCH CONFIDENCE IN THIS TABLE AS I DO THE OTHER. AND LET ME EXPLAIN WHY THE OTHER TABLE WAS TAKEN FROM. IN THE POTABLE WATER WAS 82,000 SERVICE POPULATION TO 100,000 IN THE SAME NUMBER, GROWING 17,000 OVER FIVE YEARS. THAT'S A LOT, WHICH STILL MAY BE PLUS OR MINUS AS IT INDICATES ABOVE. THIS INDICATES WE'RE GOING TO GO UP 42,000 SERVICE POPULATION IN FIVE YEARS. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT NUMBER MIGHT. MY ONLY THING IS, IS YOU CAN GET TO FROM 172 TO 150 IN A HURRY. SO WE NEED TO HAVE SOME SOME PLANS. I ONLY QUESTIONED THE 100,000 AS THE SERVICE POPULATION NUMBER GETTING YOU DOWN TO 100. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT BEFORE YOU ANSWER TO GO INTO THE CIP, BECAUSE I THINK IT HAS AN UNDUE EXPECTATION OF THAT PRECIPITOUS DROP IN A FIVE YEAR PERIOD. I DON'T SEE THE CUSTOMERS INCREASE IN 42,000 IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME. SO I'LL DEFER TO DOCTOR JORGE ON THE REST OF IT. RIGHT ON, RIGHT ON. MANAGER. YANA, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU WRITE DOWN MANAGER YOUNG. AND SO IT GOES BACK TO WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WHETHER VICE MAYOR THE 100,000 PLUS OR MINUS TEN. WE'RE LOOKING AT NUMBERS THAT NOT NECESSARILY RELIABLE. FIVE YEARS OUT NEXT YEAR. AND NEXT TIME AROUND WHEN WE PRESENT OUR LOSS, THOSE NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE MUCH MORE FINE TUNED. OKAY, SO WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THANK YOU FOR THE CORRECTION MANAGER. WHEN WHERE I WAS GOING, I WAS LOOKING AT NEXT DECADE AND TWO DECADES OUT. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION SPECIFICALLY THOSE NUMBERS ARE MOST CONSERVATIVE AS IT CAN BE. ANTICIPATING 60,000 APPROXIMATELY POPULATION GONE BY INCREASING BY 40,000 IS VERY CONSERVATIVE AND OVERESTIMATED. AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE PUT IT IN THERE, NOT KNOWING WHAT'S GOING ON WITHIN THE COUNTY AREAS OF THE DEVELOPMENT IN TERMS OF HIGH RISES THAT THEY ARE BUILDING. SO WORST CASE SCENARIO WE MAY BE CLOSE TO BREAK EVEN. BUT THIS ALSO TELLS US THAT WE HAVE TO BE VERY COGNIZANT OF BEING READY FOR WORST CASE SCENARIO. [03:25:08] MONITOR IT EVERY YEAR. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES MOST LIKELY WILL BE OKAY. MOST PROBABLY WE WILL BE OKAY IN TERMS OF CAPACITY. WORST CASE SCENARIO, WE WILL HAVE PLANS IN PLACE NEXT FIVE YEARS, INCLUDING FILTRATION SYSTEMS MORE EFFICIENT FOR US TO BE ABLE TO INCREASE OUR CAPACITY. OKAY, THANKS. IT GETS BACK TO THE QUESTION THAT I THINK WE'VE SEVERAL OF US HAVE MENTIONED BEFORE, WITH ALL THE GROWTH IN OUR SERVICE AREA OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS, CAN WE HANDLE IT? YOU KNOW, AND DO WE WANT TO EXPAND OUR CAPACITY OR DO WE WANT TO SAY, NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. SO AT THIS JUNCTURE, MY ANSWER IS GOING TO BE WHAT WE KNOW FOR 2425, WE MEET OUR LOWS. I CAN TELL YOU THAT FOR 26 27, 28 ALL THE WAY TO 2030. I THINK WE WILL BE OKAY. BUT WHAT WE DON'T KNOW IS WHAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED. I MEAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THEY DID IN BAYSHORE AREA, RIGHT? SO IF YOU HAVE IF YOU HAVE NEXT FIVE YEARS FEW OF THOSE COMING UP WE MIGHT HAVE SOME STRESS ON THE SYSTEM, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE WON'T MEET THE CAPACITY. YEAH. AND I ASSUME THAT THERE'S A EXTENDED TIME FRAME TO DESIGN, GET PERMITTING AND CONSTRUCT. YES. NEW FACILITIES THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT. SO POINTS ARE WELL TAKEN. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. QUESTIONS? COMMENTS. OKAY. I LIKE ONE OBSERVATION, ALTHOUGH IN THE CITY THERE'S NOT MUCH LAND AVAILABLE. BUT THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT WE'RE SEEING NOW IS THESE HIGH DENSITY HOTELS WHICH ARE GOING TO CONSUME A LOT OF WATER. I MEAN, SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T TAKE OUT ONE LOT THAT WASN'T USING MUCH WATER. NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU HAVE A, YOU KNOW, 300 ROOM HOTEL. I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO CONSUME A LOT OF WATER AND THERE'S QUITE A FEW HOTEL PROJECTS ON THE AGENDA. SO I THINK WE COULD BE HIT WITH LIKE A SURPRISE, YOU KNOW, AND DEMAND. MY FEELING IN A COUPLE OF YEARS, I BELIEVE THAT LOT WAS VACANT. SO IT WAS USING ZERO. AND NOW IT'S NOT GOING TO BE USING ZERO. YEAH. GOOD POINT. I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT ONE THING FOR NEW MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, JUST SO WE'RE ALL AWARE AS WELL. WATER SERVICE AREA AND AND SEWER SERVICE AREA ARE VASTLY DIFFERENT. AND WE IN FACT, THROUGH AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT CHARGE FOR THE COUNTY BASED ON OUR CONSUMPTION AND THEN SEND THE MONEY BACK TO THE COUNTY. SO WHEN YOU SEE THOSE VARIATIONS, WE CAN END UP BEING THE SUPPLIER OF WATER AND NOT HAVE THE SANITARY SEWER ASPECT OF IT. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE NOT EVERY PROJECT IS UNILATERALLY GOES HAND IN HAND WHEN BOTH ARE WITHIN OUR DISTRICT. THEY DO. BUT AND KEEPING IN MIND, I MEAN, WE'RE EVEN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE OUR OWN SEPTIC TO SEWER PROJECTS WITHIN OUR WATER DISTRICTS THAT WE'RE HELPING TO TRY TO PROP UP TO GET, YOU KNOW, SEPTICS OUT. SO YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT AREAS WHERE YOU CAN WE'RE ADDING DEVELOPMENT AS WELL AS THOSE AREAS. SO I JUST WANT. BUT I DID WANT TO DELINEATE BETWEEN THE TWO. SO WHEN YOU SEE THE NUMBERS, JUST IN CASE EVERYONE WASN'T AWARE OF THAT. SO GOOD POINT. THANK YOU. OKAY. SOLID WASTE. I THINK THAT'S. YES, SIR. SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT. WE DO HAVE A ROBUST COLLECTION SYSTEM. AND OUR, OUR SUPPLY AND DEMAND IN SOLID WASTE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. AND OUR SOLID WASTE DISTRICT PROVIDES SERVICE ONLY WITHIN OUR CITY LIMITS. AND WE DO MEET LEVEL OF SERVICE WHEN IT COMES TO LIFE SUSTAINING ESSENTIAL SOLID WASTE COLLECTION AND RECYCLING COLLECTION SERVICES. AND WE PARTNER WITH COLLIER COUNTY FOR THE COLLECTION OF HOUSEHOLD HAZARDOUS WASTE AND SMALL BUSINESS HAZARDOUS WASTE COLLECTION. AND COUNTY HAS FIVE COLLECTION CENTERS, AND WE HAVE ONE RIGHT NEXT TO OUR SOLID WASTE OPERATIONS CENTER AT THE AIRPORT. SO I'M PLEASED TO REPORT THAT WE DO MEET. LEVEL OF SERVICE REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CONCURRENCE PURPOSES FOR THIS REPORTING PERIOD. [03:30:05] HOWEVER, I WANT TO MENTION THAT WHICH IS IN THE TEXT. WE WILL BE WORKING ON SOLID WASTE MASTER PLAN. IT WILL BE ONE OF THE FIRST ENDEAVORS. AND MY CITY MANAGER AND I BRIEFLY DISCUSSED AND THAT MASTER PLAN IS GOING TO BE LOOKING OUT FOR NEXT 50 YEARS. WHY? WE ARE RELYING ON COLLIER COUNTY. EXCUSE ME? WE ARE RELYING ON COLLIER COUNTY LANDFILL. AND COLLIER COUNTY LANDFILL IS IN HIGH DEMAND AS WE SPEAK. COLLIER COUNTY COMMISSION APPROVED HALF A DOZEN TOWNS AND CITIES UNDER ALONG THE ORWELL ROAD, NORTH AND SOUTH, ALL THE WAY TO ROUTE 29. DEVELOPMENT GONE THERE AS WELL. AND THEN ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTH ON A ROAD CALLED RICKSHAWS. AND THEN, OF COURSE, YOU DID HEAR ABOUT RIVER GRASS. SO ALL THOSE DEVELOPMENTS HIGH DENSITY AND LOW DENSITY AND COMMERCIAL CENTERS DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO CREATE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF DEMAND ON THE LIMITED AND FIXED LANDFILL CAPACITY. SO EVEN THE REPORT SAYS WE DO HAVE LONG TERM LANDFILL CAPACITY AT COLLIER COUNTY LANDFILL. FOR US TO HAVE OUR OWN DESTINY AND CONTROL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A MASTER PLAN AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE OUR CONTINGENCIES IN TERMS OF GUARANTEED DISPOSAL WITH THE COLLIER COUNTY LANDFILL AND A CONTINGENCY GUARANTEED DISPOSAL ELSEWHERE. AND GOING BACK TO VICE MAYOR, AS YOU INDICATED LANDFILL IS MUCH, MUCH TOUGHER THAN BUILDING, EXPANDING WATER AND WASTEWATER PLANTS. JUST THE LAND ACQUISITION AND PLANNING TAKES TEN YEARS. PERMITTING IS ANOTHER TEN YEARS. AND GOING OVER THE LAWSUITS AGAINST NOT IN MY BACKYARD IS ANOTHER FIVE YEARS. SO COLLIER COUNTY IS GOING TO HAVE A CHALLENGE TO BUILD A NEW LANDFILL. AND THE PIECE OF LAND THAT COLLIER COUNTY PURCHASED ABOUT 305 ACRES RIGHT NEXT TO LANDFILL. NOW IT'S A SPORTS PARK AND AND NON-COMPATIBLE USE AND THAT CAPACITY WILL PROVIDE NOT ONLY THE CITY OF NAPLES, BUT CITY OF MARCO AND CITY OF EVERGLADES. ADDITIONAL ADR CAPACITY. SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT NOW. WHAT WE HAVE IS CURRENT LANDFILL LIMITED IN CAPACITY. AND WE'RE RELYING ON CAPACITY GOING UP BY 100FT. AND THAT'S THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DECISION. IF THEY SAY WE'RE NOT GOING PERMIT 100FT HIGH, THEN YOUR CAPACITY JUST REDUCED BY 20 TO 30 YEARS. SO I JUST DID WANT TO SYNTHESIZE OUR COUNCIL THAT THIS REPORT, EVEN THOUGH SAYS WE'RE RELYING ON COLLIER COUNTY FOR OUR DISPOSAL, BUT 50 YEARS OUT. WE HAVE TO HAVE A MASTER PLAN AND CONTINGENCIES IN PLACE IN TERMS OF RECYCLABLES, MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE COLLECTION, DISPOSAL, GUARANTEED DISPOSAL SO THAT WE'RE NOT TRACKING OR USING TRAINS OR BARGES TO MOVE OUR TRUCKS LAST MINUTE. AND THAT'S THE THAT'S THE FORESIGHT AND VISION FROM OUR CITY MANAGER ALSO SAYING, DOCTOR GEORGE, ANYTHING HAS A LONG LEAD FOR US TO ACT. LET'S GET AHEAD OF IT. SO EVEN THOUGH MY STATEMENT HERE IN TERMS OF SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL WE ARE CONCURRENT. HOWEVER, IT'S OUT OF CONTROL THROUGH MASTER PLANNING, WE WILL HAVE CONTINGENCIES IN PLACE FOR OUR CITY SO THAT LAST MINUTE, WE DON'T HAVE TO LOOK FOR A LANDFILL SPACE. YES, I HAVE SCHULTZ AND THEN KRAMER. DOCTOR GEORGE, HAVE YOU HAS THERE BEEN A STUDY? MAYBE GARY'S ON THIS ONE. REGARDS TO INCINERATION AS A WAY TO REDUCE THE VOLUME OF LANDFILL USAGE, TO INCINERATE PRODUCT AND BURY THE BYPRODUCT IN LIEU OF THE AMOUNT OF TRASH PER SE. YES, SIR. PYROLYSIS INCINERATION. LANDFILL. GAS TO ENERGY. THEY ARE ALL OPTIONS. AND COLLIER COUNTY HAS A 350 ACRES NORTH OF THE LANDFILL CALLED SOLID [03:35:04] WASTE PARK. ONLY 140 ACRES PLUS CAN BE DEVELOPED. AND THAT'S ONE AREA. SOME OF THOSE FACILITIES MIGHT GO, BUT THAT WILL BE DECISIONS TO BE MADE BY COLLIER COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. HAVE YOU HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH COUNTY STAFF ABOUT ANY OF THAT? YES WE DO. THE CHALLENGE HAS BEEN IS THAT THERE ARE LIMITATIONS ON WHAT WE CAN WE CANNOT DO ON THE NORTHERN PART OF THE LAND CALLED SOLID WASTE PARK. SO AT THE END, COLLIER COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAS TO MAKE THE DECISION IN LIGHT OF THE CITY OF NAPLES, CITY OF MARCOS, CITY OF EVERGLADES AND UNINCORPORATED AREAS, RELYING ON THAT STRATEGIC DECISION THAT BOARD NEEDS TO MAKE. BUT IN YOUR KNOWLEDGE, HAS YOUR CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF, HAVE THEY GOTTEN INTO THAT AS A POSSIBILITY? DO YOU KNOW, JUST IN CONCEPTUAL ONLY, SIR? CONCEPTUAL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'VE KRAMER AND THEN PITMAN. AND I'LL JUST ADD THIS, THAT AND YOU'LL I THINK YOU'LL SEE THIS, SCOTT. IS THAT. AND WHEN I WAS SERVING ON THE SOUTHWEST FLORIDA REGIONAL PLANNING COMMITTEE, THIS SOLID WASTE ISSUE IS A REAL ISSUE IN OUR STATE. AND THERE'S ALREADY PEOPLE HAVING TO RAIL IT AND TRUCK IT. AND THERE'S ESPECIALLY AFTER THE HURRICANES WHEN THERE'S. THEY DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY. I ALSO WOULD SAY RACING AT 100, WE'RE ABOUT TO HAVE A REFERENDUM GO ON BALLOT FOR THE PENNY TOURIST TAX TO BUILD OUT THE SPORTS COMPLEX. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE APPETITE WILL BE TO RAISE THAT ANOTHER HUNDRED FEET MAY OR MAY NOT. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. I'M JUST SAYING I'M GRATEFUL THAT WE'VE GOT A CITY MANAGER AND, AND OUR DIRECTOR OF WORKS THAT HAVE THE FORESIGHT LIKE THIS PROBLEM, THIS IS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM EVENTUALLY, AND IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH AND FIGURE OUT A SOLUTION TO. IT'S OUR FIRST MEETING. OH, WELL, THEY MAY TALK ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, THERE'S OTHER THERE'S, THERE'S OTHER MUNICIPALITIES THAT ARE IN BAD SHAPE WITH SOLID WASTE IN, IN THE, EVEN IN OUR REGION, IT'S NOT GOOD. MOUNTAINS IN FLORIDA. YEAH. THAT'S HOW WE GET THEM. OKAY. PENMAN. NO. I'M GOOD. OH, OKAY. OKAY. YES. BLANKENSHIP. SO, DOCTOR JORGE, BASED ON YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH COUNTY STAFF, DO YOU HAVE ANY INSIGHTS INTO HOW LONG THE CURRENT LANDFILL WOULD LAST ABSENT RAISING THE HEIGHT OR FINDING NEW LAND. ABSENT. RAISING THE HEIGHT. WE'RE LOOKING AT 20 PLUS MINUS FOUR YEARS. SO YOUR POINT OF THE LEAD TIME OF FINDING, DESIGNING, PERMITTING, WORKING THROUGH ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES. THEY NEED TO START SOON. YEAH. GOOD CONVERSATION FOR A JOINT MEETING. YES. DULY NOTED. OKAY. CONTINUE ON. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. DO WE KNOW? AND PERHAPS SOMEONE ELSE. SOMEONE HERE. WHAT HAS THE SUCCESS BEEN OF THE SPORTS PARK? DO WE KNOW? LET ME SAVE THAT FOR THE COMMENTARY, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO. WE JUST MET YESTERDAY. SO IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, LET'S LET GEORGE GO AND THEN I'LL TALK ABOUT SPORTS PARK AT THAT TIME. ECOMMENTS. OKAY, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE. YEAH. FAIR ENOUGH. OKAY. WELL, IT COULD BE A PART OF. OKAY. OUR SOLID WASTE CONCERN. SINCE IT'S CONTINUOUS TO SOLID WASTE, IT IS NEXT DOOR. OKAY. MADAM MAYOR, JUST BECAUSE STORMWATER IS NEXT. AND WHILE I'D LIKE TO THINK WE COULD FINISH IT IN SIX MINUTES FOR QUESTION. AND I'M SURE GEORGE WOULD LIKE TO FINISH IT IN SIX MINUTES. I QUESTION WHETHER THAT IS GOING TO WORK, SO I THINK WE MAY WANT TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION. I AGREE WITH YOU WITH THAT. AND WE WILL COME BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION, WHICH IS APPROXIMATELY AN HOUR, AND RESUME WITH STORMWATER. OKAY. WITH THAT, I HAVE TO READ SOMETHING FIRST. YES. OH, YES. MR. MCCONNELL, THANK YOU. I'M JUST GOING TO READ BOTH OF THESE NOTICES BACK TO BACK. [14.B) Executive Session regarding Ureche, Cristina V. City of Naples, Case No. 24-CA-002183, 20th Judicial Circuit, in and for Collier County, Florida (12:30pm Time Certain).] [14.C) Executive Session regarding Barnicle, Donna v. City of Naples, Case No. 23-CA-001425, 20th Judicial Circuit, in and for Collier County, Florida (at approximately 1:30 PM or immediately following the previous Executive Session scheduled at 12:30 PM).] MAYOR. SO AT THE FEBRUARY 18TH, 2026 PUBLIC MEETING, PURSUANT TO 286 .011 SUBPARAGRAPH, A CITY ATTORNEY ANNOUNCED HIS REQUEST FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. IN CASE YOU READ EUREKA. CHRISTINA, CITY OF VERSUS CITY OF NAPLES, CASE NUMBER 24CA002183. AND FOR COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA CITY COUNCIL AGREED TO MEET IN EXECUTIVE SESSION DURING ITS COUNCIL MEETING ON TUESDAY, [03:40:02] MARCH 18TH, 2026, AS REQUESTED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY. AT APPROXIMATELY 1230 IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF CITY HALL. PUBLIC NOTICE OF THE SESSION WAS POSTED ON FEBRUARY 19TH BY THE CITY CLERK. THE EXECUTIVE SESSION IS EXPECTED TO LAST APPROXIMATELY ONE HOUR. EVERYTHING DISCUSSED IN THE EXECUTIVE SESSION WILL BE TRANSCRIBED BY A COURT REPORTER. NOTHING IS OFF THE RECORD. NO DECISIONS ARE MADE BY COUNCIL. ANY DECISIONS REQUIRED BY COUNCIL WILL HAPPEN EITHER WHEN WE RECONVENE OR AT A FUTURE PUBLIC HEARING. REPORTER'S NOTES ARE FULLY TRANSCRIBED AND FILED WITH THE CITY CLERK WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME AFTER THE MEETING. FOLLOWING INDIVIDUALS WILL BE PRESENT DURING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. MAYOR TERESA HEITMANN, COUNCIL MEMBERS, BILL KRAMER, LINDA BYRNE BARTON, TED BLANKENSHIP, JOHN KROL, SCOTT SCHULZ, CITY MANAGER. GARY YOUNG, CITY ATTORNEY MATTHEW MCCONNELL, ATTORNEY JEFFREY COLEMAN, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM DIAMOND'S COURT REPORTING. OKAY. AND THEN AGAIN, AT THE FEBRUARY 18TH, 2026 PUBLIC MEETING PURSUANT TO SECTION TWO, 86.011, SUBPARAGRAPH EIGHT, YOUR CITY ATTORNEY ANNOUNCED HIS REQUEST FOR ANOTHER EXECUTIVE SESSION IN CASE STYLED BARNACLE DONNA VERSUS CITY OF NAPLES. CASE NUMBER 23CA001425. AND FOR COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA CITY COUNCIL AGREED TO MEET IN EXECUTIVE SESSION DURING ITS MEETING TODAY, MARCH 18TH, 2026. IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE PREVIOUS EXECUTIVE SESSION AT 1230 IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF CITY HALL. PUBLIC NOTICE WAS POSTED ON FEBRUARY 19TH, 2026. THE EXECUTIVE SESSION IS EXPECTED TO LAST APPROXIMATELY ONE HOUR. COURT REPORTERS NOTES ARE FULLY TRANSCRIBED AND FILED WITH THE CITY CLERK WITHIN A REASONABLE TIME AFTER THE MEETING. NO DECISIONS WILL BE MADE DURING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. ANY DECISIONS REQUIRED BY COUNCIL WILL HAPPEN WHEN WE RECONVENE OR AT A FUTURE PUBLIC HEARING. FOLLOWING INDIVIDUALS WILL BE PRESENT DURING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. MAYOR TERESA HEITMANN, COUNCIL MEMBERS, BILL KRAMER, LINDA PENMAN, BERNARD BARTON, TED BLANKENSHIP, JOHN KRULL, SCOTT SCHULTZ, CITY MANAGER, GARY YOUNG, CITY ATTORNEY MATTHEW MCCONNELL, ATTORNEY JEFFREY HOLCOMB, AND A REPRESENTATIVE FROM COURT REPORTING. OKAY. AND WITH THAT, WE ARE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION. OKAY. WE'RE BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION. MR. MCCONNELL. YES. THANK YOU MAYOR. NO ACTION IS REQUESTED FROM COUNCIL AT THIS TIME FOR EITHER 14 B OR 14 C. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT MEANS WE'RE CONTINUING ON WITH ITEM 15 A. WE ARE. AND I BELIEVE WE LEFT OFF AT THE BREAK. WE ARE AT THE STORMWATER OR THE STORMWATER UTILITY LEVEL OF SERVICE SUMMARY. CORRECT. THANK YOU MA'AM. I'LL START WITH A VERY BRIEF HISTORY. THE CITY ADOPTED ITS CONCURRENCY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IN ALL THE WAY BACK IN 1989 VIA ORDINANCE 89, 59, 81, WHICH WAS SUBSEQUENT TO FULL BUILD OUT OF THE CITY PUBLIC ROADWAY GRID ALONG WITH DEVELOPMENT FOLLOWED SINCE THEN. SO OUR CURRENT ASSESSMENT, GIVEN ALL THE STUDIES THAT HAS BEEN DONE AND CONDUCTED LAST SIX YEARS PLUS INDICATES THAT OUR CURRENT LOSS. FOR THE STORMWATER UTILITY PURPOSES IS INSUFFICIENT AND NEEDS TO BE UPDATED AS WE MOVE FORWARD. WE'RE GOING TO ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT MORE WHAT THAT IS IN THE NEAR FUTURE IN TERMS OF OUR CIP PROGRAM AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR 12TH BASINS, WHICH WE DO HAVE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. AND ALSO, WE WILL TOUCH UPON LIKE WATER SEWER DISTRICT, WE DO SERVE THROUGH DIRECT AND INDIRECT DISCHARGE AREAS FROM COLLIER COUNTY AS WELL. SO WHEN WE BRING THE STORMWATER ORDINANCE BACK TO BEFORE THIS COUNCIL, YOU WILL SEE THAT THE UTILITY CONCEPT FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT MIGHT INCLUDE SOME OF THE AREAS WE'RE SERVING OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, SIMILAR TO WATER AND WASTEWATER. AND THAT'S THE UTILITY CONCEPT YOU WILL SEE GOING BACK TO LOSS. CURRENT LOSS IS A FIVE YEAR ONE. OUR STORM EVENT, AND WHAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED LAST TEN YEARS INDICATES THAT THAT LEVEL OF STANDARD WE'RE EXCEEDING THAT IN MULTIPLE AREAS. ALMOST EVERY SINGLE BASIN HAS A HOT SPOT. WE HAVE IN THE PAST ENGAGED [03:45:08] WITH AECOM, WHICH IS A NATIONAL FIRM DID STUDIES AND JOHNSON ENGINEERING DID SOME SPECIFIC STUDIES. AND THEN WE HAVE ALSO STUDIES INCLUDED ABOUT 30 PLUS -1 OR 2 LAKES. THAT IS INTEGRAL PART OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND UTILITY SYSTEM. AND THE LATEST STUDY THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL FROM KIMLEY-HORN FOCUSED ON ABOUT SPECIFIC AREAS IDENTIFIED FOR FLOOD PRONE ZONES. HOWEVER IT DOES NOT ADDRESS THROUGHOUT THE CITY WITHIN CITY LIMITS, ALL 12 BASINS, INCLUDING HOTSPOTS. SO MOVING FORWARD, YOU'LL SEE IN YOUR CIP COMING AT YOU AS PART OF OUR BUDGET PROCESS FAIRLY SOON THAT WE INITIATED THREE B PROGRAM. THAT MEANS BASIN BY BASIN ADDRESSING HOTSPOTS WITHIN THE BASINS AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE IMMEDIATELY. AND THE APPROACH IS GOING TO BE WITH URGENCY, LIKE WE HAVE DONE A PILOT PROGRAM LAST YEAR ON 17TH AVE BEFORE HURRICANE SEASON, WE MOBILIZED MOBILE UNIT. WE HAVE THE DIESEL PUMP STATION WITH SOUND ATTENUATION WITHIN RESIDENTIAL AREA. IT'S A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET ON THE SPOT WITHIN TWO WEEKS. TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION EASEMENT FROM TWO NEIGHBORS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MOBILIZE AND, AND INSTALL THESE DIESEL PUMP TO BE ABLE TO MANAGE FLOWS 17TH AVE IN AQUA LANES RECEIVING AS A PILOT PROGRAM FEEDBACK WE GOT FROM OUR RESIDENTS, THEY WERE VERY PLEASED WITH THE RESULTS, INCLUDING NUISANCE. FLOODING WAS NOT SEEN AND EXPERIENCED AS MUCH. MOVING FORWARD, WE WILL HAVE MOBILIZATION OF THESE MOBILE UNITS IN ABOUT FIVE DIFFERENT AREAS. NOW, THE REASON I'M BRIEFLY GOING OVER WHEN I SAY URGENCY. YES, WE DO HAVE URGENCY. AND BEFORE THIS HURRICANE SEASON, WE WILL HAVE AT LEAST FIVE UNITS MOBILIZED TO THESE HOTSPOTS FOR US TO BE ABLE TO TEST, IDENTIFY, FINE TUNE BEFORE WE BUILD AND OR IDENTIFY LOCATIONS OF THE WET WELLS, WHICH IS UNDERGROUND STORMWATER PUMP STATIONS, THAT NEEDS TO BE AHEAD OF THE KIMLEY-HORN STUDY. AND THE REASON I'M SAYING THAT KIMLEY-HORN FOCUSED ON WORST AREAS THAT AT THAT TIME, STAFF IDENTIFIED FOR OUR CONSULTANT TO LOOK AT. HOWEVER, WHEN WE WENT INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES TOGETHER WITH OUR CITY MANAGER, A NUMBER OF HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION MEETINGS, BOARD MEETINGS OR ONE ON ONES. IT'S VERY OBVIOUS EVERY SINGLE BASIN THROUGHOUT THE CITY HAS HOT SPOTS. WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT IT IS ABOVE AND BEYOND NUISANCE FLOODING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. SO WE WILL GO AFTER THOSE AS SPECIAL PROJECTS. AND IT WILL BE YOU'LL SEE IT. IT WILL BE VERY WELL PRESENTED BY OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND OUR CITY MANAGER. WHAT THE FINANCIAL FUNDING MECHANISMS ARE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD NEXT 4 TO 6 YEARS TO ADDRESS THESE HOTSPOTS IN LIEU OF INVESTING 40 TO $60 MILLION INTO 1 OR 2 BASINS LIKE BASIN FOUR AND SOME OTHER AREAS. SO THAT WILL THAT WILL ADDRESS THE IMMEDIATE NEED INCLUDING URGENCY, MOBILIZING MOBILE UNITS WHERE WE NEED TO MOBILIZE AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS DO NOT EXPERIENCE FLOODING THAT THEY DID EXPERIENCE. LESSONS LEARNED WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO OUR DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION ON THOSE 12 BASINS. THAT INCLUDES SWAN LAKE, FOR INSTANCE. THAT WAS NOT ON RADAR FOR THE KIMLEY-HORN PRIORITIZATION, BUT SWAN LAKE ALONE SERVES 260 ACRES. [03:50:09] LARGE DRAINAGE BASIN. SO IT'S NOT JUST THE SWAN LAKE AND HOUSING AROUND IT. IT SERVES A MUCH LARGER DRAINAGE BASIN AND HAS A DIRECT DISCHARGE TO MOORINGS BAY. SO WE WILL HAVE A PILOT PROGRAM THERE AS WELL WHILE WE'RE WORKING ON FEASIBILITY OF THAT. WELL. POINT I'M MAKING IS THAT OUR COMMUNITY AND COMMUNITY LEADERS KNOW WITH INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE WHERE THE PRIMARY PROBLEM AREAS ARE BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN THERE, THEY LIVE THERE TEN YEARS, 20 YEARS, 30 YEARS. AND WE ARE ALL EARS. WE'RE LISTENING AND WE'RE BACK CHECKING. WE'RE CONFIRMING, IDENTIFYING THOSE HOTSPOTS AND WE'RE GOING AFTER IT. SO WHEN I DO SAY THE CURRENT LOSS FOR STORMWATER UTILITY, FIVE YEAR ONE, OUR STORM IS INSUFFICIENT. I JUST LIKE TO ALSO SHARE WITH YOU UNDER GENERAL GUIDANCE. AND AUTHORIZATION WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM OUR CITY MANAGER ALL THE WAY BEFORE LAST HURRICANE SEASON. WE PUT A GREAT DEAL OF URGENCY TO THIS PROCESS. SO HAVING SAID THAT YOU WILL SEE THAT OUR STORMWATER ORDINANCE BEING REVISITED AND IT WILL BE BROUGHT TO YOU ADDRESSING 30 LAKES VERY FEW UNDER PUBLIC OWNERSHIP. MOST OF THEM WERE CONFIRMING AS WE GO THROUGH WHO OWNS THE LAKE AS FAR AS THE BOUNDARIES AND THE EASEMENTS AND WHAT HAVE YOU, HOW BEST WE CAN MANAGE AND HOW BEST WE CAN HAVE EGRESS, INGRESS AND OR ENHANCE OUR EASEMENTS TO BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN MANAGE THESE LAKES. FURTHERMORE, WE IDENTIFIED PRIORITY STRUCTURES, DISCHARGE STRUCTURES IN AND OUT OF THESE LAKES THAT NEEDS TO BE AUTOMATED, ENHANCED AND IMPROVED. INSTEAD OF SENDING OUR TEAM MEMBERS THEIR MIDDLE OF THE STORM OR JUST BEFORE STORM EVENT, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO OPERATE REMOTELY. THESE DISCHARGE POINTS, AND THAT'S SOMETHING NOT NEW, HAS BEEN PROVEN TECHNOLOGY THAT WE CAN BRING TO CITY FAIRLY FAST. THEN WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ALL THE OUTFALLS AND WE HAVE A ROBUST OUTSOURCED AT LEAST TWO FIRMS GONE AND TELEVISING, IDENTIFYING AND SPOT REPAIRING AND LINING OUR GRAVITY STORM SEWER SYSTEM AS WE ARE BUILDING OUTFALL PROJECT. SO WE ARE INCREASING OUR DISCHARGE CAPACITY. TO THE GULF. NEXT IS GOING TO BE AS FAST AS WE CAN CLEAN UP, REALIGN, REBUILD, SPOT, REPAIR OUR GRAVITY SYSTEM SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY OBSTACLES OR CONSTRAINTS ASSOCIATED WITH DRAINING OUR CITY TOWARD THOSE TWO MASTER PUMP STATIONS THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO BUILD AND COMPLETE BY THE END OF NEXT YEAR. THEN WE HAVE THE DISCHARGE SYSTEM TO THE BAY AND AND RIVER, AND THAT'S THE TWO MASTER PUMP STATIONS, ONE COVE PUMP STATION, THE OTHER ONE IS RIVERSIDE PUMP STATION. AND CURRENTLY WE ARE EVALUATING CONDITIONS OF THOSE PUMP STATIONS. I THINK THAT WE CAN DO R&R, MEANING REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT WHERE NEEDED FOR THE RIVERSIDE PUMP STATION, BUT MOST LIKELY COVE STATION. MIGHT NEED NOT ONLY REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT, BUT WHOLE DESIGN AND CAPACITY INCREASE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO DO WHAT WE HAVE DONE ON THE GOLF SIDE. ON THE RIVER, BAY AND ESTUARY SITE AS WELL. AND IN BETWEEN, WE HAVE THIS CONVEYANCE SYSTEM THAT IS FULLY DRIVEN BY GRAVITY SYSTEM. AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO VERY CAREFULLY HOW WE CAN ENHANCE COLLECTION AND DISCHARGE OF STORMWATER EVENT FOR 25 YEAR, THREE DAY STORM, RATHER THAN FIVE YEAR, ONE HOUR STORM EVENT. SO HAVING SAID THAT, I HOPE I HAVE DONE MY BEST TO BE ABLE TO ARTICULATE WHERE WE ARE, WHERE WE'RE GOING. URGENCY WE HAVE ON THE SUBJECT MATTER AND STORMWATER ORDINANCE WILL BE DESIGNED TO. [03:55:10] ESTABLISH UTILITY THROUGH ENTERPRISE FUND MANAGEMENT AND. OUR CITY MANAGER AND FINANCE TEAM ALREADY INITIATED AND PUT TO FINANCIAL FRAMEWORK IN PLACE TO FUND WHAT I JUST SHARED WITH YOU, INCLUDING MAKING ADJUSTMENTS TO THE STORMWATER ENTERPRISE FUND FEES AND RATES, WHICH INCREASED OUR BORROWING CAPACITY WHERE NEEDED. WHEN READY, WE CAN MOVE TO EXECUTION AS PROGRESSIVE DESIGN, BUILD OR DESIGN, BUILD OR DESIGN BUILD. SO WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO, I'M GOING TO INVITE ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE AND INVITE OUR CITY MANAGER TO, TO JOIN ME IF I MISSED ANYTHING. OKAY. COUNCIL QUESTIONS. VERY THOROUGH, VERY ARTICULATE. THANK YOU, DOCTOR GEORGE. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. COMMENT. I JUST THINK THIS APPROACH IN HANDLING THE HOT SPOTS MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T DO A COUPLE ROADS AND STOP THE HOT SPOT IDEA IS IS IS RIGHT ON AND I THINK IT'S RIGHT ON STRATEGY WHAT HE'S DOING PROPOSING. AGREED. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU MA'AM. AND I'M GOING TO HAVE OUR CITY ENGINEER FOR TRANSPORTATION SERVICES TO ADDRESS TRANSPORTATION ELEMENT. GREAT. SORRY. GOOD AFTERNOON, MISS PICKETT. GOOD AFTERNOON. COUNCIL ALLISON BICKET. AGAIN, THE CITY ENGINEER, TRANSPORTATION SERVICES MANAGER HERE TO PRESENT ON THE LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR THE TRANSPORTATION SECTION OF THE LEVEL OF SERVICE. SO FOR THE CITY STREETS, THE ADOPTED LEVEL OF SERVICE IS IN THE COMP PLAN IS LEVEL SERVICE C TO PROVIDE A MORE DETAILED DESCRIPTION. LEVEL SERVICE C IS GENERALLY THE RANGE OF STABLE FLOW, BUT IT IS WHEN IT MARKS THE BEGINNING OF THE STAGE AND THE FLOW IN WHICH THE OPERATION OF AN INDIVIDUAL USER USERS BECOMES SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECTED BY INTERACTIONS WITH OTHERS IN THE TRAFFIC STREAM, MEANING THAT AS YOU GO FROM LEVEL SERVICE A TO LEVEL SERVICE F, IT GETS A LITTLE MORE CONSTRAINED. YOU'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE AS FAR AS MAKING LANE CHANGES. IT WILL MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE DIFFICULT. YOU'LL HAVE MORE OF THAT STOP AND GO TRAFFIC AS YOU GO FROM THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE A TO F. AS THAT SERVICE LEVEL OF SERVICE DECLINES. LIKE I SAID, THEY HAVE LESS FREEDOM. DRIVERS HAVE LESS FREEDOM TO MANEUVER, AND THOSE SPEEDS DECREASE. THAT C REPRESENTS A FREE FLOWING CONDITION. AND F IS REALLY THAT THAT STOP AND GO CONDITION. SO TO GIVE YOU THAT BACKGROUND, THE SINGLE EXCEPTION TO IN OUR COMP PLAN IS THE CITY TO THE LEVEL OF SERVICE C IS FIFTH AVENUE, WHICH IS BETWEEN US 41 AND GULF SHORE BOULEVARD. THIS SEGMENT IS CONSIDERED A CONSTRAINED FACILITY AND ACCORDINGLY IS EXEMPT FROM THE LEVEL OF SERVICE REQUIREMENTS. THE CONSTRAINED DESIGNATION REFLECTS REALLY A PHYSICAL AND POLICY BARRIER TO INCREASED STREET CAPACITY. FIFTH AVENUE, BEING IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND WITHIN THE CITY, CRA HAS LIMITED ABILITIES TO EXPAND TO CREATE ADDITIONAL CAPACITY IN THAT AREA FOR COUNTY MAINTAINED ROADS WITHIN THE CITY. THAT INCLUDES GOODLETTE FRANK ROAD, GOLDEN GATE PARKWAY. FOR INSTANCE, THE CITY HAS ADOPTED THEIR THEIR LEVEL OF SERVICE AS WELL AS THE STATE'S ADOPTED LEVEL SERVICE FOR THOSE ROADWAYS. WITHIN THAT, THEY'RE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. FOR THE TRANSPORTATION LEVEL OF SERVICE, YOU WILL NOTICE THE REPORT INCLUDES A COMPARISON BETWEEN THE LAST REPORT OF 2024 AND 2025. SO LOOKING AT THE PAST YEAR'S COLLECTION DATA IS IN COMPARISON TO THIS YEAR'S. WITHIN THE REPORT, YOU'LL FIND THE QUARTERLY TRAFFIC COUNTS, WHICH I HAVE PULLED UP. IF YOU CAN SEE ON THE SCREEN THOSE WERE TAKEN IN. I HAVE TAKEN IN 2025 AT COUNT STATIONS AT THE ARTERIAL, ARTERIAL AND COLLECTOR STREETS WITHIN THE CITY. THESE COUNTS ARE THE BASIS OF THE CITY'S LEVEL OF SERVICE DETERMINATIONS AND THE MONITORING FOR OUR CITY STREETS. I'D LIKE TO REMIND YOU THAT THIS IS REALLY A A SAMPLE OF THAT TIME FRAME WE TAKE. [04:00:05] WE COLLECT THIS DATA, WE COLLECT IT QUARTERLY, WE COLLECT IT OVER A WEEK PERIOD. THOSE TRAFFIC COUNTS. THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE ON YOUR SCREEN. YOU HAVE MARCH, JUNE, SEPTEMBER, DECEMBER MAXIMUM. SO IN SUMMARY, THOSE COLLECT, THOSE REFLECT THAT TRAFFIC COUNT DATA, INCLUDING THOSE PEAK SEASONS, DAILY AVERAGE TRAFFIC VOLUMES, PEAK SEASON, PEAK HOUR TRAFFIC VOLUME COUNTS, AND OUR OFF SEASON WHICH IS REALLY THAT JUNE TO SEPTEMBER TIME FRAME, ALL LEVEL OF SERVICE TO TERMINATIONS ARE BASED ON TWO WAY PEAK HOUR VOLUME DATA. AND AS NOTED IN THE REPORT I WILL NOTE THAT YOU WILL SEE ON YOUR SCREEN FROM THE 2025 DATA THAT THERE'S MISSING VALUES FROM THIS, FROM THE DATA THAT YOU CAN YOU CAN SEE UP HERE. AND THAT'S PRIMARILY BECAUSE WE HAD FIRMWARE MALFUNCTIONS THAT IMPACTED SEVERAL OF OUR COUNT STATIONS. AND THAT'S PRIMARILY WHICH WAS OUR PEAK PERIOD IN MARCH. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT IN MARCH. THAT'S REALLY WHERE IT REFLECTED. AND SO IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN A FAIR COMPARATIVE I DID PROVIDE AN ANALYSIS BETWEEN THE YEARS AND I UTILIZED THE DECEMBER 2024 TO 2025 DATA. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANT TO GO BACK TO BECAUSE OF THAT MISSING DATA SINCE WE DIDN'T HAVE THIS, WE HAD ISSUES WITH THE DATA. WE, WE HAVE RECOGNIZED THAT WE HAVE, AND I MENTIONED IT LAST YEAR FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE ON COUNCIL AT THE TIME WE DID COLLECT OR WE DID PURCHASE NEW EQUIPMENT AND WITH THE SUPPORT OF OUR CITY MANAGER. AND OUR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER HERE WE'RE ABLE TO PURCHASE NEW EQUIPMENT. WE HAVE THOSE. AND THAT'S PRIMARILY WHAT WE PURCHASED WAS FOR OUR, OUR ARTERIAL ROADS, FOR OUR STATE ROADS TO COLLECT THE DATA. IT'S THAT EQUIPMENT IS SMARTER HAS LIKE MORE AI CAPABILITIES. THOSE OF YOU THAT HAVE ALREADY SET DOWN WITH OR WE'VE SAT DOWN WITH TO HAVE SOME OF OUR POLICY DISCUSSIONS, I'VE ALLUDED TO SOME OF THIS INFORMATION THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO ACTUALLY EXPAND THAT. AND ALSO MAYBE LOOK AT PURCHASING EQUIPMENT FOR OUR OUR RESIDENTIAL STREETS AS WELL. SO WE MAY HAVE THOSE CAPABILITIES. THE ONLY DOWNSIDE IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THESE LOOP SYSTEMS, THE PLACEMENT OF THESE. THEY NEED TO BE MOUNTED SOMEWHERE. SO IT'S IT'S A LITTLE MORE OF A CHALLENGE. BUT I THINK THAT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING OF COLLECTING THIS DATA, IT'S NOT IT WOULDN'T BE JUST A SAMPLE. SELECTIVE WEEK BY WEEK, WE COULD HAVE SOME ONGOING DATA COLLECTED AND COMPARATIVE THAT I THINK IT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT AND REFLECTIVE IN THE FUTURE. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT POINT. AS WE'RE LOOKING THROUGH THIS ONE OF THE, THE OTHER POINTS AS FAR AS THE DECEMBER, I MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE THE, WE'VE UTILIZED THE DECEMBER 20TH 21 TO 2020 FOR DATA COMPARISON. AS YOU'LL SEE ON HERE, WE HAVE OUR ARTERIAL STREETS. WE DID SEE ABOUT A 2.2% INCREASE FROM OUR 2024 TO 2025 DATA AND ON OUR COLLECTOR RESIDENTIAL ROADS IN THAT COMPARISON, IN THAT DECEMBER 20TH 24 TO 2025, YOU'LL SEE A MORE SIGNIFICANT INCREASE OF 8.1% THAT I WILL SAY THAT THAT'S MORE OF A GREATER SPIKE THAN WE SAW PREVIOUSLY WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE GROWTH OVER THE TEN YEAR TIME PERIOD. FROM THE LAST UPDATE THAT YOU RECEIVED, IT WAS REALLY NEGLIGIBLE GROWTH. IT WAS ABOUT A FLAT GROWTH, BUT WE REALLY JUMPED UP ON THIS. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE COMPARATIVE OF LOOKING AT DECEMBER INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT OUR MARCH DATA, BUT I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. WITHIN THE STREET SYSTEM. I WILL NOTE THAT THERE ARE ONLY TWO COLLECTOR STREETS THAT ARE OPERATING AT THE LOWER RANGE OF THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, SEE, AND OUR 2025 DATA. YOU'LL SEE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE SEE ON YOUR RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE, THE SCREEN. AND THOSE ONES AS THEY APPROACH THE GREATER OR HIGHER VOLUME CAPACITY RATIO CLOSER TO A ONE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THOSE ARE OPERATING MORE AT A HIGHER LEVEL OF C AS IT GETS HIGHER ON [04:05:02] THAT RANGE THOSE TWO COLLECTOR STREETS THAT ARE OPERATING MORE AT A LOWER RANGE OF THAT C R PARK SHORE DRIVE AND GORDON DRIVE AND, BUT HOWEVER, A REVIEW OF THE TRAFFIC VOLUMES ON THE STREET OVER TIME REALLY INDICATES THAT THERE'S A GENERAL STATUS QUO CONDITION AND REALLY NOT AN IDENTIFIABLE CONCURRENCY ISSUE OR DEFICIENT LEVEL OF SERVICE WITH THE CITY STREET SYSTEMS. AND I WILL STATE THAT THAT THAT'S BASED ON THE CRITERIA THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY USING. NOW THAT GETS INTO, IN, IN CONSIDERING THE FUTURE DATA ANALYSIS, WE ARE BASING THIS ON OUR CURRENT REQUIREMENTS, THE DATA AND THE POLICIES THAT WE HAVE NOW AS WE GO, AND WE LOOK AT THE INFLUENCE AND THESE CHANGES THAT WE'RE MAKING, AND POTENTIALLY IN TALKING TO EACH OF YOU ON THE POLICY CHANGES IN LANGUAGE THAT COULD IMPACT HOW THIS DATA IS SEEN, WE'RE LOOKING AT IN JUST A LITTLE BIT. I THINK IT WAS, IT WAS RELAYED IN OUR LAST UPDATE IN DECEMBER WAS THAT THERE WAS A GREATER SIGNIFICANT DISTRIBUTION WHEN WE LOOKED AT OUR DIRECTIONAL DATA, OUR SAY OUR AM PEAK AND OUR ONE ROAD MAY BE GREATER. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 10TH. I LIKE TO USE THAT AS A SAMPLE, BUT THE VOLUMES MAY BE GREATER IN THE AFTERNOON PEAK. WHERE WE'RE COLLECTING THE DATA. WE'RE SHOWING THIS INFORMATION TO YOU. WHEN WE'RE COLLECTING IT AND LOOKING AT IT, WE'RE, WE'RE BASING THAT ON THE TWO WAY. BUT IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DIRECTIONAL, YOU'RE GOING TO FEEL THE INFLUENCE OF THAT ONE DIRECTION IN THAT PEAK HOUR. SO THAT PEAK HOUR IS GOING TO BE WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO FEEL THAT THERE'S A SLOWDOWN. THERE'S THERE'S MORE IMPACT TO THAT ROAD DURING THOSE PEAK TIMES. INSTEAD OF THE INFLUENCE OF THAT TWO WAY TRAFFIC FLOW WHEN IT, IT, IT KIND OF BALANCES OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE. SO I THINK AS WE LOOK AT THAT, WE MAY POTENTIALLY BE LOOKING AT IMPLEMENTING LANGUAGE WHERE WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THOSE PEAK TRAVEL DIRECTIONAL DATA THAT, THAT MAY INFLUENCE THE ACTUAL IMPACT OF THOSE ROADWAY SYSTEMS AND WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN THE FUTURE TO NEGATE THOSE. SO ALSO IN CONSIDERING FUTURE ROAD PROJECTS, I ALSO WANT TO STATE THAT YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ON THESE, THESE STATE ROADS, THEY FDOT AND COLLIER COUNTY, WE REALLY HAVE NO MAJOR ROAD PROJECTS INVOLVING LANE MILES IDENTIFIED IN THEIR PLANS. ANOTHER POINT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE IS I'VE INCLUDED INCLUDED THE ALL FOR THAT MR. YILMAZ HAD. DOCTOR. DOCTOR YILMAZ HAS MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY. MY APOLOGIES. BUT HAD MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY ABOUT REFERRING TO THAT THAT'S THE COLLIER COUNTY'S ANNUAL INVENTORY REPORT AND THAT IS INCLUDED FOR THE FIRST TIME FOR YOU TO SEE IN A COMPARISON AND ABLE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE ROADWAY SYSTEMS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. AND LET ME PULL THAT UP REAL QUICK. RIGHT HERE I HAVE ON THE SCREEN THIS IS A PORTION FROM THE THE TRANSPORTATION SECTION OF THE ORDER. THIS IS THE GOODLETTE FRANK ROAD SECTION FROM GOLDEN GATE PARK BETWEEN GOLDEN GATE PARKWAY AND US 41. AND I JUST WANTED TO INCLUDE THIS AND THANK YOU, DAVID, FOR HELPING HERE. BUT ZOOMING IN, YOU'LL SEE THAT THIS SECTION GOODLETTE FRANK ROAD IS INCLUDED AND I'VE BROUGHT THIS UP IN THE PAST, SO IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THIS SO YOU CAN SEE THIS VISUALLY. BUT THAT'S A SECTION THAT THE COUNTY HAS IDENTIFIED LEVEL SERVICE F THEY ARE IDENTIFYING IT AS A IS IT'S EXPECTED DEFICIENT YEAR. IT'S, IT'S ALREADY DEFICIENT. JUST, JUST LETTING YOU KNOW THIS INFORMATION AND THESE ROADS THAT ARE IMPACTING US. I THINK I'VE, I'VE BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE, WE'VE HAD A DISCUSSION OFFLINE WITH I HAVE PERSONALLY WITH THE COUNTY MENTIONED ABOUT THE PROBLEMS. YOU KNOW, AS IN, IN IN PARTICULAR THIS STRETCH AND NOTING. HEY, THIS IS A STRETCH THAT WE'VE NOTICED WITHIN THE CITY. IT'S IT'S DEFICIENT. DO YOU HAVE PLANS TO DO ANYTHING? YOU KNOW, CLEARLY, LIKE TYPICALLY LANE MILES YOU KNOW, WE'RE USING UP MORE RIGHT OF WAY MORE SPACE. [04:10:01] THERE'S OTHER WAYS THAT YOU CAN LOOK AT IMPROVING THE ROADWAY SYSTEMS. I THINK THAT I THINK THAT THEIR FIRST STEP IS TO LOOK AT AND THEIR PLANS WERE TO LOOK AT INTERSECTIONS. I KNOW THE COMMENTS, FOR INSTANCE AS PART OF THE PROJECT WE'VE LOOKED AT EXTENDING THE TURN LANES. THAT'S SOMETHING IT'S WHEN IT STACKS OUT AND YOU HAVE TRAFFIC, THERE'S NOT AN EFFICIENT SUFFICIENT STACKING IN QUEUE FOR THAT LANE TO MAKE A TURN. I NOTICE IT SOMETIMES COMING IN ON SOUTHBOUND LEFT TURN. IT'S IT'S OUT INTO THAT THAT MAIN THOROUGHFARE LANE. SO IT'S, IT'S IMPACTING THAT TRAFFIC FLOW AND THOSE VOLUMES IN THAT SECTION. SO I THINK THAT THEIR FIRST STEPS ARE TO LOOK AT THOSE INTERSECTIONS, WHAT THEY CAN DO. TIMING, FOR INSTANCE, IS A GOOD THING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DO HAVE CONTROLS OVER A SECTION OF THAT AS WELL. SO I JUST WANTED TO, TO MAKE YOU AWARE OF THIS AND PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION. THEY DO HAVE IT HIGHLIGHTED. THEY HAVE MAPS IN HERE. IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN DIVING A LITTLE BIT DEEPER INTO WHAT THEY HAVE AND WHAT THEY PRESENTED. I ALSO HAVE INCLUDED SOME OF THE SECTIONS AND YOU'LL SEE IN RED AGAIN, THIS IS THE COUNTIES, NOT, NOT OUR, OUR INFORMATION, BUT YOU CAN SEE WHERE SOME OF THESE AREAS WHERE IT'S HIGHLIGHTED IN RED THEY HAVE IDENTIFIED THE SECTION US 41 IS RED AND, AND HAVING SOME, SOME IMPACTS WITHIN THE CITY. AND HERE'S THE SECTION ON GOODLETTE FRANK ROAD THAT I HAVE ALREADY ALLUDED TO. BETWEEN GOLDEN GATE PARKWAY AND US 41. SO I WANTED TO JUST BRING THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION. AND, AND, AND MAKE YOU AWARE OF THAT INFORMATION. SO REALLY WHAT I THINK THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO RELAY, I THINK THAT MAKES IT IMPORTANT WITH OUR INTERGOVERNMENT INTER COORDINATION, INTERAGENCY DISCUSSIONS, WE'RE REALLY BEING IMPACTED. I THINK WE SEE THAT SOME OF THESE INFLUENCES ARE FROM OUR THE REGIONAL IMPACTS FROM THE AREA. SO THIS IS WHERE I WANT TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THESE CONVERSATIONS AS WE MOVE FORWARD, AS WE TALK ABOUT EVEN WITH OUR POLICY DISCUSSIONS WHAT WE CAN DO, WHAT OUR INFLUENCE IS AND MAKE YOU AWARE OF THE, DATA AND WHAT WE HAVE AVAILABLE AT THIS TIME. WITH THAT, I DO NOT HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS UNLESS DOCTOR YILMAZ, YOU'D LIKE TO. THANK YOU. ALLISON. I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT ALLISON IS RIGHT. FIRST TIME WE INCLUDED AIR, WHICH IS COLLIER COUNTY LOSS, LOSS LEVEL OF SERVICE. AND YOU HAVE SEEN THE NETWORK. WE'RE NOT GONNA DEEP DIVE INTO COUNTY AIR. HOWEVER THE, THE POINT OF INTEREST HERE, WE HAVE 40 BEACH ACCESS AND PARKS THAT IS AVAILABLE TO COUNTY RESIDENTS THROUGH INTERLOCAL ARRANGEMENTS AND, AND, AND OF COURSE, PAYMENTS COMES WITH IT, BUT FROM A TRAFFIC FLOW AND TRAFFIC IMPACT STANDPOINT VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT SOLID WASTE, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WATER SUPPLY WELLFIELDS AND IN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS WITH CONNECTING WATER, SEWER DISTRICT, COLLIER COUNTY AND CITY FOR EMERGENCY WATER EXCHANGE WHERE WE NEED IT SO THAT IT INCREASES OUR RELIABILITY, RESILIENCY IN TRANSPORTATION, IT'S ALREADY INTERCONNECTED. IT'S NOT LIKE WATER. YOU CAN OPEN IT AND CLOSE IT. SO WHAT ALLISON IS BRIEFLY SHARED WITH YOU, IS THAT THE ONE GOING THROUGH YOUR ONE ON ONES ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND THE TRAFFIC STUDY, INCLUDING MORE AND MORE REGIONAL AND SUBREGIONAL IMPACT TO OUR LOCAL SYSTEM. INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT OUR LOCAL TRAFFIC SYSTEM SIMPLY WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT WE CAN DO, BUT ALSO UNDERSTANDING WHAT'S COMING OUTSIDE OF OUR BOUNDARIES TO OUR SYSTEM AND WHAT WE CAN DO TOGETHER WITH OUR PARTNERS, BUT ALSO THINGS THAT WE CAN DO AND WE NEED TO DO WITHIN THE CITY, WHICH IS GOING TO BE VERY LIMITED [04:15:02] GIVEN THE GROWTH IN THE COUNTY. SO I APPRECIATE IT, ALISON, INCLUDING COUNTIES AND LOSS REPORT THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, THAT GIVES YOU VISIBILITY ON OUR REGIONAL SUBREGIONAL BASIS WITH LEVEL OF SERVICE WITH A LOT OF RATS, AS YOU HAVE SEEN COMING AT US. SO WITH THAT, THANK YOU, ALISON, AND ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. WE GOT OUR CITY ENGINEER. YES. AND BEFORE I FAILED TO MENTION VERY QUICKLY, I JUST WANT TO INDICATE THAT THE SECOND PORTION OF THE REPORT DOES INCLUDE LANGUAGE REFERRING TO OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR OUR BIKE PATHS WITHIN THE CITY. AND I GET SO EXCITED, I GUESS, ABOUT THE OTHER TRAFFIC ROADWAY IMPACTS. BUT JUST TO RELAY THAT THE BIKE LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES THAT IS ONE IS REQUIREMENT OF ONE MILE OF BIKE PATH PER 1500 POPULATION. WE'VE FOR 2025, THE PERMANENT POPULATION WAS ESTIMATED AT 19,226. THEREFORE OUR REQUIRED OF WE HAD A REQUIREMENT OF 13 PLUS MILES OF PATHWAYS AND BIKE LANES WHICH WE ARE MEETING. SO I WANT TO JUST RELAY THAT. AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE FOUR MILES OF PATHWAYS AND OVER 25 MILES OF BIKE LANES. THAT INCLUDES BOTH SIDES AND AN ESTIMATED TOTAL LENGTH OF 55 MILES OF SIDEWALKS. AND THAT'S LOOKING AT OUR PUBLIC SYSTEM, NOT, NOT OUR, NOT THE PRIVATE SIDEWALKS AND SECTIONS. SO WITH THAT AGAIN, ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE? I'M HAPPY TO GO THROUGH AND ANSWER. I HAVE VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP AND THEN BENJAMIN. THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING THE COUNTY INFORMATION. AND AS I RECALL FROM MY TIME ON THE MPO, I THINK THE FDOT DOES DATA FOR 41. YES. YOU'RE CORRECT. WE COULD ALSO CONSIDER INCLUDING. IT'S ENLIGHTENING. ALSO AT SOME POINT, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE SCHEDULED TO GET AN UPDATE ON THE LONG STANDING PLAN. THEY HAVE TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS OR REBUILD. 41. I THINK THAT'S BEEN IN THE PLANNING STAGES FOR A LONG TIME, AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE WHERE IT STANDS, BUT WE MAY WANT THAT IF IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA ALREADY, WE MAY WANT AN UPDATE ON THAT. I CAN GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON IT. IT'S OKAY. WE'LL HANDLE THAT ONE ON ONE WITH MEMBERS OF COUNCIL IF YOU WANT A PUBLIC PRESENTATION. WE DID IT ABOUT, I THINK EIGHT MONTHS AGO. BUT YEAH, I'LL MAKE SURE YOU HAVE ALL THE UPDATES. THANK YOU. AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU STARTING TO THINK ABOUT THE AREAS OF THE UNINCORPORATED COUNTY OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS THAT DIRECTLY IMPACT OUR RESIDENTS AS WE OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T ALL DRIVE JUST IN THE CITY. WE DRIVE OUTSIDE THE CITY AS WELL. AND TO THE EXTENT WE COLLECTIVELY, OUR MPO REPRESENTATIVES SPECIFICALLY CAN BE A VOICE FOR OUR 20,000 RESIDENTS THAT WE'RE NOT BEING SERVED AS WELL AS WE WOULD LIKE TO BE. IN CASES LIKE THE INTERSECTIONS WITH 41 AND THE DAVIS TRIANGLE. YOU KNOW, FOR OUR ROYAL HARBOR RESIDENTS TRYING TO GET OUT. FOR OTHER RESIDENTS IN NAPLES, TRYING TO GO DOWN DAVIS OR SOUTH ON 41 OR EAST ON GOLDEN GATE OR PINE RIDGE. YES, A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS ARE BEING CAUSED POTENTIALLY BY THE GROWTH OUT IN THE COUNTY, BUT IT'S DIRECTLY IMPACTING US. SO THE EXTENT WE CAN BE A BETTER, STRONGER VOICE FOR OUR CITIZENS. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. YES. SIMILARLY ON BIKE LANES, I UNDERSTAND THE METRIC THAT WE'RE GOOD AS FAR AS LOOKING AT PERMANENT RESIDENTS, BUT NOW DURING SEASON, WE HAVE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE HERE ON BIKES WHO AREN'T AS FAMILIAR WITH OUR TOWN. SO WE JUST GOING FORWARD, WE MAY WANT TO THINK ABOUT OTHER WAYS TO MEASURE LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR BIKES. JUST BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO BE BIKE TRAFFIC SEEMS TO BE GROWING, AND SO THAT WE CAN KNOW WHERE WE STAND AND PLAN FOR FUTURE NEEDS. NOT JUST FOR THE 19,000 OFFICIAL RESIDENTS FULL TIME, BUT FOR OTHER PEOPLE WHO, WHO COME HERE AS WELL. THEN DO WE GET DATA OR TRACK DATA ON ROADS THAT ARE PARTIALLY CITY, PARTIALLY COUNTY, SUCH AS SEAGATE OR SANDPIPER. AND WE JUST, YOU KNOW, KIND OF COMPARING FROM COLLIER COUNTY'S DATA COLLECTION, BUT WE DON'T HAVE COLLECT, WE DON'T COLLECT DATA ON THOSE. AGAIN, WE MAY WANT TO START TO INCLUDE THOSE AND TRACK THOSE GOING FORWARD. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE ARE ANY PROBLEMS THERE, BUT JUST THOSE ARE IMPORTANT ROADS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE NEAR THERE OR USE THOSE. [04:20:09] AND THAT'S WHY I THINK EVEN I, I TRY TO KEEP TRACK AND, AND LOOK AT THE IR AND LOOK AT ANY OF THOSE AREAS THAT MAY BE A CLOSE IMPACT, LIKE WHAT YOU HAVE PULLED ON YOUR SCREEN HERE. BUT THANK YOU. YES. INTERESTING. ON THE COUNTY REPORT, THERE'S SEVERAL ROADS THAT APPEAR TO NEED ATTENTION. AND HOPEFULLY THOSE WILL BE ADDRESSED. THANK YOU. JUST CLARIFICATION TO YOUR QUESTION ON TRAFFIC COUNT STATIONS. IS THAT WHAT HE WOULD BE REFERRING TO? THE VICE MAYOR THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. MORE TRAFFIC COUNTS ON THOSE ADJACENT ROADWAY SYSTEMS THAT ARE RIGHT OUTSIDE OF OUR JURISDICTION. YES. OR SHARE, BECAUSE I THINK SOME OF THEM THE CITY LIMIT MAY GO RIGHT DOWN THE MIDDLE. YES. AND SO IT'S A SHARED ROAD, SHARED RESPONSIBILITY THAT WE SHOULD AT LEAST BE AWARE OF. RIGHT? YES. THAT'S PART OF A STRATEGIC SOLUTION BASED EFFORT OF KNOWLEDGE. SO THE TRAFFIC COUNT STATIONS ARE LOCATED. HOW MANY DO WE HAVE IN THE CITY? WITHIN THE CITY WE HAVE THERE'S A TOTAL OF 91 STATION NUMBERS THAT I HAVE. BUT WAIT, LET ME SEE. I, I HAVE TO, TO GO BACK THROUGH AND ACTUALLY COUNT THOSE, I DON'T REMEMBER IF THEY WANT TO GET BACK, BUT SOMETHING THAT TIES INTO HIS QUESTION. THEN IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A STRATEGY, WHERE WILL WE GO AND WHERE ARE THEY AT? WELL, WHEN WE HAVE THAT, AND THAT'S WHAT WAS ALSO INCLUDED IN YOUR REPORT ON YOUR AND THE LEVEL OF SERVICE. THESE ARE THE, WHAT I PRESENTED RIGHT HERE. THESE, WHAT I HAVE PULLED UP IS ALL THE COUNT STATIONS THAT WE HAVE. ACTIVE RIGHT NOW. AND WE ARE LOOKING TO EXPAND UPON THAT TOO. I'D LIKE TO GET GATHER MORE INFORMATION BEYOND THOSE STREETS. AND ALSO HAVING THAT CONTINUOUS INFORMATION THAT MAY GIVE US THOSE REAL, TRUE PEAKS AND CHANGES IN THE DATA. WHAT'S HOLDING YOU BACK FROM GETTING MORE DATA? WELL, I THINK THAT RIGHT NOW I CAN'T SAY THAT WE HAVE ANYTHING WE'RE WORKING. IT'S, YOU KNOW, FINANCIALLY, I THINK THAT WE'VE GIVEN THE GO TO PURCHASE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC COUNTERS. WE'RE GOING TO DO BASICALLY KIND OF A PILOT. WE HAVE THE NEW ONES THAT JUST CAME IN. SO I'M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. I CAN'T WAIT TO LOOK AT ALL THE DATA LIKE MY NERDY, BUT I AM EXCITED TO SEE THAT AND SEE HOW THAT INFORMATION, WHAT INFORMATION AND THE ADDITIONAL DETAILS WILL HAVE THOSE WILL ACTUALLY GIVE US LIKE THE CLASSIFICATION OF THE VEHICLES. I HAVE THE, THE BROCHURE WITH ME. THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF GOOD DATA THAT I THINK WILL RECEIVE FROM THAT. AGAIN, WE'VE ALREADY STARTED, WE'VE PURCHASED THEM FOR US. 41 WE'RE LOOKING AT AND I'VE PUSHED TO GET AS MANY AS I CAN STARTING OUT EVEN FOR OUR LOCAL ROADS. AND. AND LIKE I SAID, THE. THE ONLY OTHER DOWNSIDE TO THAT IS FINDING A GOOD LOCATION FOR THESE BECAUSE THESE ARE THE, THE WAY THAT THEY ARE POSITIONED AND THAT WE NEED TO PUT THEM OUT. THEY'RE NOT QUITE AS INCONSPICUOUS AS THE THE OTHER ONES THAT WE HAVE THE LITTLE BOXES, THESE ARE MORE OF A PERMANENT TYPE OF, THEY'RE LIKE A LONG TUBE ALMOST THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S POWER TO THOSE SO THAT IT CAN COLLECT IT, THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND WE CAN COLLECT THE DATA AND USUALLY LIKE A LOCAL OR A NEARBY POLE THAT WE CAN MOUNT IT TO. SO I ALSO HAVE SOME APPREHENSIONS JUST BECAUSE OF THE VISUAL I DON'T WANT TO HAVE. I THINK WE NEED TO BE CAREFUL AS FAR AS PLACEMENT OF THOSE AS WELL, BUT I THINK WE WANT TO GO AHEAD AND START PURCHASING AND TRYING TO UTILIZE THOSE AND COLLECT THAT INFORMATION BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT. ARE YOU ABLE TO USE ANY OF THE LICENSE PLATE READER DATA THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS THROUGHOUT THE CITY? I MEAN, BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN SOME OF THE TRAFFIC COUNTS THEY PROVIDE, THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO IT. THERE ARE DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR THAT TOO. AND WE'VE, WE'VE LOOKED AT SOME OF THAT IN SOME OF THE DIFFERENT SYSTEMS. THERE'S ACTUALLY ONE COMPANY THAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO NOW THAT ACTUALLY HELPS WITH LIKE SPEEDS THAT COLLECTS AND THAT'S BASICALLY BASED ON YOU KNOW, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR CELL PHONES AND NOT NECESSARILY LICENSE PLATE. I THINK THERE'S SOME INTEGRATION OF THAT AS WELL. BUT THERE ARE SOME OTHER DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE THAT WE'VE, WE'VE INVESTIGATED. I KNOW THAT THERE WAS SOME CONCERN BEFORE WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT LIKE THE LICENSE PLATE READERS AND THE CELL PHONE USAGE AS FAR AS THE, THE CONCERN, AS FAR AS SECURITY AND, AND, AND ALL FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THEIR DATA BEING SHARED. [04:25:06] SO YEAH, IT'S INTERESTING. YOU MENTIONED THE CELL PHONE DATA BECAUSE WE ALL USE THE GPS SYSTEMS THAT TELL US IF A STREET IS RED, YELLOW, OR GREEN. SO THERE'S GOOD DATA THERE THAT TELLS YOU WHERE THE HOTSPOTS ARE. YES. SO HOPEFULLY YOU CAN USE THAT TOO. THANK YOU. SURE. COUNCIL MEMBER. HAS ANYONE VERIFIED HOW MANY CARS ACTUALLY COME BETWEEN THE NORTH AND TO HERE? AT ONE POINT IN TIME, THE NUMBER ON ON 41 WAS 55,000 CARS A DAY. I THOUGHT IT'S 11. IN TIME. IT ESCALATED TO 76,000 CARS A DAY. IT'D JUST BE INTERESTING TO KNOW IF THE IMPACT ON THE CITY AND COUNTY IS GOING TO, YOU KNOW, CONTINUE TO ESCALATE AS IT DID IN THAT SHORT, SEEMINGLY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. YEAH. SO WHAT YOU'LL SEE UP ON YOUR SCREEN, WE DO COLLECT DATA. YOU'LL SEE. FOR LIKE US 41, THERE IS WE DO HAVE A COUNT STATION HERE THAT'S AROUND THAT 60. 64,000. THAT'S YOUR TWO WAY VOLUME PER DAY. VEHICLES PER DAY. OKAY. SO THAT IS CAPTURING. SO YOU ARE CORRECT. YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD MEMORY ON THAT. AND THAT THAT'S DURING A PEAK SEASON LAST YEAR, 2025 ON THE COUNT STATION WE DO HAVE. FOR ANYONE'S, IF YOU REALLY WANT TO ALSO DIG INTO IT, WE ALSO HAVE ON OUR WEBSITE ALL THE. COUNT STATION WHERE THESE. YOU'LL SEE THESE COUNT STATION NUMBERS, BUT YOU CAN ACTUALLY GO AND. WE HAVE A MAP THAT SHOWS EXACTLY WHERE EACH OF THOSE LOCATIONS ARE. SO YOU CAN ALSO, IF YOU'RE REALLY INTERESTED. ON EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE ON OUR ROAD. YOU CAN ALSO GO TO THAT AND SEE WHERE THOSE COUNT STATIONS ARE, WHERE WE HAVE THEM, WHERE THE IMPACTS ARE. YES. CORRECT. OKAY. SUPER. THANK YOU. OH. I'M SORRY. I'M ALSO CURIOUS. THE REDLINING ROADS. YOU KNOW WHAT ROADS? THAT YOU JUST CAN'T INCREASE CAPACITY. THEY CAN'T WIDEN. LIKE, IF YOU LOOK AT DAVIS, I KNOW THAT'S NOT ONE OF OUR ROADS, BUT THEY PUT THE NEW HIGH RISES. PRACTICALLY TOUCH THEM WHEN YOU DRIVE BY. I MEAN, YOUR SATELLITE RADIO GOES OFF AND YOU KNOW THEY'RE RIGHT THERE. THERE'S NO EXPANSION WHEN THEY DECIDE TO DO THAT PROJECT. THE IMPACT THERE'S NO NO FUTURE PLANNING OF EXPANDING THAT ROAD THERE, OBVIOUSLY. BUT YOU KNOW, THOSE KIND OF PROBLEMS ARE KIND OF INTERESTING TO KIND OF SPOTLIGHT. YOU ARE CORRECT. I THINK THE RIGHT OF WAY CERTAINLY PLAYS INTO IT. I THINK THAT THE COUNTY THEY'VE RELAYED THAT THEY TYPICALLY DON'T LIKE TO GO BEYOND A TOTAL OF SIX LANES GENERALLY. AND BUT I THINK IT ALL, OF COURSE DEPENDS ON, DEPENDS ON THE, THE VOLUMES AND ALL, AND, AND MAYBE LOOKING AT OTHER OPPORTUNITIES BECAUSE OF THE FINANCIAL IMPACTS AS WELL. I THINK WITH WITH A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTIAL ROADS, THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN THAT BALANCE OF TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE GREEN SPACE AND PRESERVE OUR RIGHT OF WAYS AS WELL. THANK YOU. SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET TO SOME OF THESE CONGESTION MANAGEMENT ISSUES. IS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO WIDEN OUR ROADS. CORRECT. WELL, MOST OF THE AREAS WE DON'T HAVE RIGHT NOW, WE'RE NOT SHOWING THAT THERE'S DEFICIENCIES. WE'RE MEETING THE LEVEL OF SERVICE. SEE, ACCORDING TO THE CRITERIA THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. NOW WHEN WE GET TO IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OUR REGIONAL IMPACTS AND OUR STATE ROAD IN THE COUNTY ROADS, THAT'S UNDER THEIR JURISDICTION, NOW, WE CAN TRY TO WORK WITH THEM TO TRY TO HAVE SOME INFLUENCE ON DECISIONS THAT THEY MAKE AS POLICY MAKERS AS WELL. AND. YOU KNOW, IN IMPACTING. SO YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD. SO WE NEED TO LOOK AT OUR CRITERIA AND WHETHER THE CRITERIA IS STILL ACCEPTABLE TO US. AND THAT AND THE LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR THOSE ROADS FOR WHICH WE HAVE ADOPTED. CORRECT. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU WE'RE WORKING WITH THE POLICY, WITH OUR LANGUAGE WITHIN OUR TRAFFIC STUDY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO WE STILL HAVE WITH ALL THE THREE NEW MEMBERS, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THOSE MEETINGS. AND THEN WE SHOULD BE RETURNING TO YOU WITH LANGUAGE BASED ON FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM THE, THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD INDIVIDUALLY WITH EACH OF YOU ON THOSE POLICY CHANGES AND HOW THAT MAY IMPACT THIS LEVEL OF SERVICE AND HOW WE LOOK AT THAT IN THE FUTURE. AND WHEN, WHAT'S THE SCHEDULING ON THAT? WELL, WE HAVE THE LAST I WAS ABLE TO, WITH THE HELP OF SANDRA WAS ABLE TO HELP GET THE FINAL THREE MEETINGS MEETING SCHEDULED FOR THIS FRIDAY. I HOPE THAT WE. WE'D LIKE TO HAVE AN INTERNAL MEETING TO DISCUSS ALL THE THE INFORMATION ONCE IT'S ALL RECEIVED, [04:30:02] COLLECTED. I HAVE TO GET WITH THE CITY MANAGER TO DETERMINE THE, THE ACTUAL DATE WE WERE TRYING TO HIT IN APRIL. I THINK IT DEPENDS ON THE BALANCE OF YOUR SCHEDULE. SO WE'RE NOT WEIGHING DOWN. ONE OF THE MEETINGS, SO I THINK IT'S MY, MY MY THOUGHT WAS SOMETIME IN APRIL TO MAY IS, IS I THINK WHERE WE'RE GOING TO BE. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I THINK IT'S ON THE LOOK AHEAD FOR IT'S ON THE LOOK AHEAD FOR THE 15TH, BUT THAT DEPENDS ON WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN GET TO THERE AND HOW MANY LAND USE ITEMS END UP BEING BECAUSE IT'S THE SECOND MEETING OF THE MONTH. SO IT'LL EITHER BE THE 15TH OR IT'LL BE THE FOLLOW THE FIRST MEETING IN MAY. IS THAT GOING TO BE A REPORT OR IS THAT GOING TO BE A REPORT WITH RECOMMENDATIONS TO MAKE DECISIONS ON? BECAUSE IT COULD BE A REPORT, DISCUSSION AND SEEKING ASSISTANCE IN GETTING RECOMMENDATIONS ON. CORRECT? YES. BUT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT. KEEP IN MIND THAT ALL OF THIS IS A PRECURSOR TO WHAT YOU'RE ALSO IN A COMPANION PIECE IS WORKING ON IS THE COMP PLAN. AND SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE VARIABLE. AND I WOULD, YOU KNOW, WE PAY ATTENTION TO THE BIGGEST STATEMENT HERE IS METHODOLOGY. COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S LEVEL OF STATE LOSS STANDARD HAS BEEN HISTORICALLY MEASURED COMPARING THE TWO WAY TRAFFIC. AND SHE TOUCHED ON IT EXCEPT FOR THE TRAFFIC STUDY YOU ASKED FOR. CHANGE THE PEAK TIMES AND ASK IT TO BE ANALYZED ONE WAY. SO I THINK THERE'S TWO COMPONENTS TO IT IS YOU HAVE TO DETERMINE, ARE YOU ALWAYS GOING TO DO THAT? BUT I WANT YOU TO ALSO UNDERSTAND BEING CAREFUL WITH THAT, BECAUSE YOU COULD SET YOURSELF UP IN A SELF-FULFILLING PROPHECY, WHICH IS WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE IT AS COMP PLAN. THEY ALL MUST BE MEASURED ONE WAY. AND OH, BY THE WAY, YOU MUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO WITH NINTH AND 10TH ANALYZING IT ONE WAY. AND AT SOME POINTS DURING PEAK SEASON, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE BACKUPS. SO MY POINT IS, IS THERE'S A LOT MORE DIALOG TO BE HAD. IT STARTS AGAIN THE NEXT TIME YOU HAVE THE TRANSPORTATION DISCUSSION AND CONTINUE THROUGH THE COMP PLAN. BUT CHANGING IT AND WANTING TO KNOW MULTIPLE FACETED REPORTING. I WANT IT TO STAY AS L O S AT LEAST IN THE SHORT RUN, BUT I WANT YOU TO GIVE ME THE CORRESPONDING MEASUREMENTS ONE WAY SO I KNOW WHERE I'M FAILING. BUT IF YOU CHANGE LOSS, WHICH MANDATES A REACTION THAT YOU HAVE NO MEANS AND METHODS TO RESOLVE NOR ABILITY TO RESOLVE, YOU MAY HAVE PUT YOURSELF IN YOUR OWN, YOU KNOW, QUANDARY. SO WE NEED TO KEEP WALKING IN THAT DIRECTION. I JUST ACKNOWLEDGING THAT WE CAN STILL DO BETTER, EVEN IF WE EVEN IF WE DON'T CHANGE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE METHODOLOGY AT THIS STAGE. BUT WE NEED TO MONITOR IN BOTH WAYS. YEAH, THOSE ARE THE ONLY THINGS. CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY WHEN YOU SAY ONE WAY. YEAH. AND I'M NO EXPERT, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IS MATH I'M FAIRLY GOOD AT IS WHEN YOU DO IT BOTH IN BOTH DIRECTIONS, ONE AVERAGES OUT, THE OTHER BRINGS YOUR OVERALL SCORE UP OR DOWN, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOUR SCALE IS. THEREFORE, WHEN YOU MEASURE IT BY ITSELF AND IT'S IN IT'S, IT'S IT'S EVALUATED ON ITS OWN, ITS OWN. IT HAS A, YOU'RE GOING TO FIND OUT THAT SOME STREETS WILL NOT SATISFY THAT SAME LEVEL BECAUSE THERE'S A BIG DIFFERENCE OF HOW MANY AND THE TIME OF DAY THAT THEY'RE ALL COMING IN ALL AT ONCE. AND WE ALL SEE IT. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO SECOND BROAD, YOU CAN GO NINTH, 10TH AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS. SO, SO I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE THING WE HAVE TO WORK OUT IS ADDITIONAL REPORTING. AND THEN OH, BY THE WAY, WHEN ARE WHEN IS THE TIME TO CHANGE LEVEL OF SERVICE. WE'VE GOT TO WORK THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT. AND NOT TO THROW A WRENCH ON IT, BUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY WAS A VERY SMALL AREA OF THE CITY THAT WE DECIDED TO STUDY IN. WHAT THE VICE MAYOR WAS MENTIONING MENTIONING WE NEED TO, IN THE FUTURE, LOOK AT HOW WE'RE GOING TO EVALUATE. AND I WILL ADDRESS THAT TO YOU FROM THE STANDPOINT. AS SHE INDICATED, WE GAVE AUTHORIZATION TO BUY NEW EQUIPMENT THAT HOPEFULLY GETS BETTER. WHAT I DON'T TYPICALLY DO, AND AS SHE INDICATED IS WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PUT IT. IT HAS DIFFERENT ATTACHMENT. WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO JUST SAY GO BY 50 AND PUT THEM OUT THERE. WE NEED TO HAVE A STRATEGIC DISCUSSION. HOW MANY ARE WE BUYING? DO WE HAVE THE LOCATIONS HANDPICKED? AND YEAH, I HAVE A FEW BACKUPS, BUT NOT NOT JUST THROW MONEY AT IT. IT'S LIKE HIRING PEOPLE OR GIVING POSITIONS. BUT IF WE DON'T HIRE THEM, WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY GOOD. SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I WANT TO WALK TO THIS. BUT I UNDERSTOOD YOUR YOUR POINT, MR. BLANKENSHIP, AND I ASSURED HER AND YOU THAT WHEN THE TIME COMES AND WE HAVE A PLAN FOR IT, I'LL COME BACK WITH THE FUNDS. AND THEN THE LAST WAS YOU MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE A FEW THAT TRAFFIC COUNTS THAT ARE ON POLES OR NEED TO BE LOCATED ON TWO POLES. [04:35:03] IS THE ONE ON FIFTH AND THIRD A TRAFFIC COUNT CAMERA OR NO. SO WE HAVE CURRENTLY WE HAVE WE, WE SET THESE OUT AND THESE ARE WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ARE KIND OF TEMPORARY. WE TAKE THEM OUT AND THEY'RE ONLY OUT THERE FOR ABOUT A WEEK. SO YOU'RE NOT SEEING A PERMANENT PHYSICAL. OKAY. SO WHAT WE HAVE IS IT'S, WE HAVE LOOPS IN THOSE AREAS AND THEN WE HAVE OUR LITTLE BOXES THAT GO OUT THERE. WE, WE CAPTURE THE DATA, HOOK EVERYTHING UP AND CAPTURE IT DURING THOSE TIMES THAT WE'RE COLLECTING THE DATA QUARTERLY. BUT WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THESE FUTURE IMPROVED ONES, THE. THAT'S WHERE WE WERE JUST DESCRIBING THOSE THOSE WE WILL SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF THE POLE. LIKE A TUBE THAT WILL BE PLACING OUT, BUT WE HAVE NOT PLACED ANY OF THOSE. WE JUST RECEIVED THEM. WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE NEW SOFTWARE AND WE'LL HOPEFULLY HAVE THOSE UP REALLY SOON. SO THIS GAVE ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO PAY ATTENTION TO SOME OF OUR POLICIES. AND ONE OF THE POLICIES IN INTER-GOVERNMENTAL IS WORKING WITH THE CDC, WORKING WITH THE MPO AND WORKING WITH THE COUNTY AND THE CITY, WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT DOING THE JOINT MEETING. BUT IT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE CDC IS MOVING FORWARD AND BRINGING MORE PEOPLE TO DOWNTOWN, THEY NEED TO BE AT THE TABLE ALSO. SO JUST FOR THOSE WHO ARE ON THOSE COMMITTEES JUST BE AWARE WHEN THAT CONVERSATION COMES UP, WE NEED TO PROTECT AND GET INVOLVED IN THAT. SO ANYTHING ELSE? NO, UNLESS THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. THANK YOU. THE NEXT LEVEL OF SERVICE REPORT THAT WE HAVE FOR YOU TODAY IS. I'M GOING TO SKIP OVER THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS FACILITIES. I'LL HANDLE THAT AT THE END. BUT WE HAVE CHAD MERRITT HERE FROM ARE WE COMMUNITY SERVICES? AGAIN, COMMUNITY SERVICES TO PRESENT THE RECREATION FACILITIES AND PARKLANDS LEVEL OF SERVICE REPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. CHAD MERRITT, COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR. LET ME GET MY ITEM PULLED UP HERE. SO WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU NOW IS A LEVEL OF SERVICE REPORT THAT'S BEEN UTILIZED FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW THAT WAS ESTABLISHED WITHIN THE COMP PLAN. I WOULD SAY I'M NOT SURE THE EXACT TIME FRAME, BUT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, THIS IS WHAT'S BEEN UTILIZED. THIS, FROM WHAT I COULD TELL, WAS DERIVED FROM THE NPPA, WHICH IS NATIONAL RECREATION AND PARK ASSOCIATION LEVEL OF SERVICE REPORT THAT WAS USED MANY YEARS AGO. AND IT WAS KIND OF A MODIFIED VERSION OF IT. SO WHEN I WENT THROUGH THIS, WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE AND I LOOKED AT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AND THE NPPA VERSION THAT THEY USED WAS IT SHOWED THAT WE WERE NOT SUFFICIENT WITH PARKLAND, BUT THEN THIS LEVEL OF SERVICE STATISTIC AND, AND REPORT THAT HAS BEEN UTILIZED DOES SHOW THAT WE ARE SUFFICIENT AND THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY DEFICIENCIES WHEN IT COMES TO PARKLAND. AND I THINK ONE OF THE REASONS AND I WANT TO KIND OF TAKE THIS AND MAKE THE STATEMENT WE'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW, THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS UPDATE. THEY WILL BE UTILIZING A DIFFERENT LEVEL OF SERVICE MEASUREMENT TOOL. I DON'T HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW FOR THIS PERIOD OF TIME. SO WE KEPT THIS IN. AND WHAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU IS IS BASED OFF. AND I CAN GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE WHERE YOU SEE SWIMMING POOLS, ONE PER 25,000 PEOPLE. THE REASON WHY THIS HAS KIND OF BEEN MOVED AWAY FROM IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT A COMMUNITY, AND WE'RE A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THIS, 25,000 PEOPLE IS OUR POPULATION IS LISTED RIGHT AT 20,000 PER THE CENSUS HERE. AND WE DON'T OPERATE LIKE A CITY WITH 20,000 PEOPLE. WE OPERATE MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT ONE PER 25,000, TECHNICALLY, WHEN WE HAVE ALL OF OUR PEOPLE UTILIZING OUR FACILITIES, WE'RE OPERATING WITH A LOT MORE USAGE THAN WHAT WE REFLECT WHEN IT COMES TO THIS. SO THIS IS WHY THIS HAS KIND OF BEEN MOVED AWAY FROM FROM THE NATIONAL LEVEL. RIGHT NOW, THIS IS THE THE LEVEL OF MEASUREMENT THAT WE HAVE. SO BASED ON WHAT YOU SEE IN FRONT OF YOU, WE ARE NOT DEFICIENT IN ANYTHING MEASURED BASED OFF OF THIS MEASUREMENT. [04:40:01] I DO THINK THAT WHEN WE HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH THE MASTER PLAN UPDATE, I WILL MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S A HIGHLIGHT IN WHICH WE POINT OUT TO COMPARE THIS TO THIS LOSS. AND THAT'S GOING TO GIVE US A LITTLE BIT BETTER BALLPARK OF WHERE WE ACTUALLY SIT. SO YOU KNOW, THIS IS WE CONTINUE TO REALLY GO THROUGH AND OUR MAIN FOCUS WHEN WE LOOK AT THE LOSS IS BEING ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT LOSS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR FACILITIES ARE TOP NOTCH, THAT OUR FACILITIES ARE IN GOOD SHAPE. SO A LOT OF WHAT WE SPEND OUR TIME AND TRYING TO GET OUR CIPS PUT TOGETHER IS TO MAINTAIN THOSE BASKETBALL COURTS AND MAINTAIN THOSE PLAYGROUNDS AND MAINTAIN THOSE TRAILS AND FOOTBALL FIELDS AND THE BEACH ACCESSES THAT HAVE JUST BEEN ALL REBUILT. SO WE YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF LEAD WITH THAT BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR SINCE I'VE DONE IT NOW, EVERY TIME I STAND UP HERE AND I SAY THAT WE'RE NOT DEFICIENT IN ANYTHING BASED ON THIS LEVEL OF SERVICE AND THIS LEVEL OF SERVICE HAS BEEN MOVED AWAY FROM FOR YEARS. AND WE WILL BE HAVING A NEW LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WILL BE PRESENTED DURING THAT MASTER PLAN PROCESS. SO I CAN TAKE AS MUCH TIME GOING THROUGH THIS. WE DID PRESENT THIS TO THE CSAB. THE CSAB APPROVED IT BASED ON THE WAY IT'S SET UP RIGHT NOW. AND THEY ALSO, I EXPLAINED THE SAME THING TO THEM AND THEY WILL HAVE A MASTER PLAN UPDATE THAT COMES TO THEM AS WELL. SO I JUST WANT TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE BASED ON THE TOOL THAT WE HAVE TO MEASURE RIGHT NOW? I'M OPEN TO ANSWERING ANY OF THOSE QUESTIONS, BUT UNDERSTAND THAT RIGHT NOW UNTIL I KNOW THE NEW LEVEL OF SERVICE MEASUREMENT TOOL THAT'S BEING UTILIZED THROUGH WESTON AND SAMPSON AND THE MASTER PLAN PROCESS, I'M NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY CONCRETE ANSWERS OF WHERE WE TECHNICALLY SIT BASED ON THE NEW MEASUREMENT TOOL. SO WITH THAT INFORMATION GIVEN, CAN YOU JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF NEW MEMBERS AND THE PUBLIC, TELL US WHAT THAT TIME FRAME IS? YEAH. SO RIGHT NOW WE INITIATED THE MASTER PLAN UPDATE PROCESS IN JUNE OF 2025. IT WAS PROJECTED TO TAKE ABOUT 12 MONTHS IN ORDER TO GET A DRAFT. WE'RE IN PRETTY GOOD ON THAT TIMELINE. WE ARE LOOKING OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT JUNE, ONE THING THAT TAKES PLACE IS WE HAVE A BREAK DURING COUNCIL IN JUNE. SO YOU WOULD LOOK TO POTENTIALLY SEE SOME KIND OF DRAFT AFTER THAT BREAK PENDING HOW THE SCHEDULE WORKS BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE A LOT OF BUDGET ITEMS THAT ARE COMING IN AT THAT TIME AS WELL. GREAT. SO. SO WHAT DID YOU SAY? JUNE. I WILL HAVE A DRAFT, BUT IT WON'T GET BEFORE YOU. YES. YES, MA'AM, BUT IT WILL NOT BE BEFORE YOU IN JUNE BECAUSE YOU WILL BE ON BREAK. SO IT'LL BE AS SOON AS WE'RE ABLE TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S IN CHECK, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET TO DRAFT AND JUST THROW IT IN FRONT OF YOU ALL. WE'RE GOING TO READ THROUGH IT AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS IN ORDER AND THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. AND HOW DOES THAT AFFECT OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT LEAD US TO THE BUDGET? WELL, THE GOOD NEWS IS, IS RIGHT NOW WE'LL STILL BE WORKING OFF OF OUR CURRENT MASTER PLAN THAT'S BEEN IN PLACE SINCE 2019. SO WHEN THIS NEW ONE GETS ADOPTED, THEN NEXT YEAR AT THIS TIME, WHEN WE GO THROUGH THE CIP PROCESS, WE WILL BE UTILIZING THAT NEW INFORMATION IN ORDER TO GATHER OUR CIP PLAN MOVING FORWARD. OKAY. QUESTIONS? VICE MAYOR. WILL THE MASTER PLAN AND NEW LEVEL OF SERVICE ADDRESS THINGS THAT MAY BE MISSING FROM HERE, NOT JUST THIS LIST, SUCH AS PICKLEBALL OR ANY OTHER NEW HOT POPULAR ACTIVITY. YES. SO TRENDS, JUST LIKE IN ANYTHING, TRENDS CHANGE IN RECREATION. SO WHEN ALL OF THIS WAS UTILIZED, OBVIOUSLY THAT WAS KIND OF AT THE CUSP OF PICKLEBALL COURTS AND SOME OF THE NUMBERS AND THINGS THAT THEY TRY TO DEVELOP. BEFORE THAT THEY MOVED OUT OF THAT PICKLEBALL WAS STARTING TO BECOME A THING. AND THOSE NUMBERS. IF YOU LOOKED AT IT BASED ON OUR GENERAL AREA WE WOULD HAVE FAR EXCEEDED THE WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE AT THAT LEVEL BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS ACTUALLY, I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO SAY WHAT IT WAS BECAUSE I REMEMBER SEEING IT. AND I JUST KNOW THAT WHEN WE LOOKED AT OUR COUNTY AND IT WAS BASED OFF OF LIKE A POPULATION WITHIN HERE WE WERE IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE WITH THAT, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE NOW. BUT I DO THINK THAT THEY WILL TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THINGS LIKE THAT AND A LOT OF THE DIFFERENT TRENDS THAT ARE COMING IN. [04:45:02] AND ARE YOU ABLE TO SAY THIS SHOWS THERE'S A DEFICIENCY IN SOME PARTICULAR AREA WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, BUT YOU COULD POINT TO, WELL, IT'S AVAILABLE CLOSE BY IN THE UNINCORPORATED COUNTY PARK SYSTEM. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO POINT OUT AS WELL, OR ARE WE STRICTLY TRYING TO MEASURE WHAT'S IN THE CITY? YES, SIR. SO THEY THEY KIND OF TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF EACH. SO THEY GO THROUGH AND THEY DO A PARK INVENTORY BASED ON WHAT THE CITY HAS AND WHAT WHAT IS WITHIN THE CORPORATE CITY LIMITS OF NAPLES. BUT THEY ALSO LOOK IN EVALUATE. THEY'LL GO THROUGH A PROCESS WHERE THEY EVALUATE WHAT'S AVAILABLE, WHETHER THAT'S IN THE COUNTY OR SOME, SOMETIMES THEY'LL EVEN GO THROUGH IF YOU GOT A YMCA THAT'S IN THE AREA AND THEY, THEY LOOK AT THE YMCA AND THEY PUT THAT AS AN A NOTE. THIS IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT'S AVAILABLE FROM A RECREATIONAL STANDPOINT. SO THEY DO LOOK AT ALL OF THE FACILITIES WITHIN A CLOSE PROXIMITY. AND THEY'LL BE KIND OF IT'LL LAYER IN THERE AND EXECUTIVE REPORT WITHIN THAT DOCUMENT. IT'LL KIND OF LAY THAT OUT OF, HERE'S WHAT YOU HAVE IN THIS MANY MILES AWAY, AND THIS IS WHAT YOU HAVE WITHIN THIS CLOSE TO THIS PARK AND SO ON. SO IT'S A PRETTY COMPREHENSIVE REPORT NOT TO USE THAT WORD AND CONFUSE IT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT IT IS A VERY IT'S WHY IT TAKES IT A YEAR BECAUSE THEY DO A LOT OF RESEARCH AND THEY PUT A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THAT DOCUMENT. OKAY. THANKS. OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? THAT WAS EASY FOR YOU, MR. MAYOR. SO FOR. I DON'T SEE VOLLEYBALL COURTS ON THE BEACH HERE. I'M TEASING, I'M TEASING. ALSO SOMETHING, I GUESS, THAT WAS NEVER PUT INTO HERE. BUT AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE CAN YOU CAN ALWAYS USE WHAT IS DONE NATIONALLY AND YOU CAN MODIFY IT BASED ON WHAT WE FEEL IS, IS A NEED BECAUSE A LOT OF COMMUNITIES, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE NATIONAL LEVEL, THEY'RE NOT ALL BEACH COMMUNITIES. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT A CITY THAT'S INLAND. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE LOOKING AT BEACH VOLLEYBALL AS MUCH AS A COASTAL COMMUNITY WOULD BE. SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT. WELL, I GO BY WHAT OUR COMMUNITY SAYS THEY WANT AND THEY WANT THAT BEACH VOLLEYBALL BACK. WELL, WE DO HAVE TWO. SO AS I TELL OTHER PEOPLE, WE HAVE TWO BEACH VOLLEYBALL. WE HAVE TWO BEACH VOLLEYBALL COURTS AT LOUDERMILK PARK, AND WE HAVE TWO AT FLEISHMAN PARK. AND THEY STAY BUSY. IT'S NOT THE SAME, BUT THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THE LAST REPORT AND THIS IS PROBABLY THE BRIEFEST IS THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS FACILITIES. WE THIS IS PROVIDED TO US FROM AMY LOCKHART, WHICH IS THE LONG RANGE PLANNER WITH THE COLLIER COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS. AS YOU CAN SEE, THE WORD SUFFICIENT FOR THE LEVELS OF SERVICE FOR THE SCHOOLS THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. SO THOSE ARE ALL THE REPORTS THAT WE HAVE FOR YOU TODAY. AS YOU HEARD, THE ONLY LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE ARE NOT MEETING CURRENTLY IS THE DRAINAGE LEVEL OF SERVICE. WE WILL BE BACK BEFORE YOU APRIL 1ST. PART OF YOUR MOTION TODAY WOULD BE TO ACCEPT THE REPORT ON FIRST READING AND SCHEDULE THE SECOND READING FOR APRIL 1ST. AT THAT MEETING ON APRIL 1ST, WE WILL BRING TO YOU THE MITIGATION STRATEGIES. WE TOUCHED ON A LOT OF THAT TODAY WITH DOCTOR JORGE, BUT WE'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON ON THAT. THE ONLY THING I WANT TO SAY TO THAT IS JUST RESERVE THE RIGHT TO MOVE IT TO APRIL 15TH, DEPENDING ON THE RESPONSES. IN A PERFECT WORLD, WE'LL HIT THE FIRST. BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF SECTIONS WHERE YOU DENOTED. IT'D BE CHANGED BY VERSION TWO AND I. THE WINDOW. I JUST WANT TO FOR ALL DIRECTORS TO TO TO FORESHADOW. THAT'S A POSSIBILITY. OKAY. THANK YOU. I CAN TELL YOU, MR. MCCONNELL. THANK YOU. MAYOR. WELL, AND I THINK MISS MARTIN'S POINT IS ACCURATE, BUT I BELIEVE IT WAS THE SAME RESULT AND CONCLUSION LAST YEAR WHEN WE DID THIS AS WELL, AND BETWEEN FIRST READING AND SECOND READING LAST YEAR, WHICH WE WILL REPEAT THIS YEAR, IS IDENTIFYING CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS OR MITIGATION EFFORTS THAT THE CITY CAN EMBARK ON OR AGREE TO IN ORDER TO WORK TOWARDS MEETING THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE. SO I JUST THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE RECORD, BECAUSE IT'S A RINSE AND REPEAT OF WHAT WE DID LAST YEAR. WE ALL KNOW THAT WE HAVE A DRAINAGE ISSUE. I THINK COUNCIL HAS MADE A GOOD POINT AND MADE IT VERY INTENTIONAL DECISION TO TRY TO FIX THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE ISSUE, AND YOU WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO. BUT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT FOR THE RECORD AND THE PUBLIC LISTENING. SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AND THE CONCURRENCY MEASURES? [04:50:01] THOSE ARE ESSENTIALLY ONE AND THE SAME. HOWEVER, YOU HAVE A CONCURRENCY ELEMENT IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. FLORIDA STATUTES TALK ABOUT CONCURRENCY. HOWEVER, THE CITY ON ITS OWN HAS A LEVEL OF SERVICE REPORT THAT'S FOUND ACTUALLY IN THE CONCURRENCY SECTION OF YOUR CODE THAT IDENTIFIES THIS PROCESS THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH WHERE PA, WHERE EVERY JANUARY OF EVERY YEAR, THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS PREPARE THEIR LEVEL OF SERVICE REPORT FOR CITY INFRASTRUCTURE, CITY ROADS, CITY INFRASTRUCTURE. IT'S PRESENTED TO PAB AND THEN IT COMES TO COUNCIL FOR FINAL ADOPTION, WHICH WE ARE WHICH WE ARE AT RIGHT NOW. FIRST READING AND THEN SECOND READING IS ALWAYS THE MITIGATION EFFORTS AND KIND OF AN ACTION PLAN MOVING FORWARD TO ADDRESS ANY DEFICIENCIES THAT'S IDENTIFIED IN THE REPORT. AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS I WOULD TOUCH ON AS WELL. WHILE THE STATE DOES REQUIRE CONCURRENCY, THE CITY HAS ELECTED, WHAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR CODE THAT'S DIFFERENT IS THE MONITORING AND REPORTING PROGRAM. SO THAT'S NOT REQUIRED AT THE STATE LEVEL ANYMORE. YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF CHAPTER 48 AS IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW IS VERY OUTDATED. THAT WAS WRITTEN WAS PUT INTO THE CODE A LONG TIME AGO. YOU CAN SEE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT SECTION, IT REFERENCES STATE AGENCIES THAT NO LONGER EXIST. IT REFERENCES YOU KNOW, THIS WAS, THIS WAS PUT INTO PLACE IN 1990. SO IT'S REFERENCING COMPLIANCE WITH 1989 AND 1990 LEGISLATION. SO WE WOULD WHEN WE COME BACK TO YOU FOR SECOND READING, NOT ONLY WILL WE BRING YOU THE MITIGATION STRATEGIES, BUT WE'RE ALSO GOING TO BRING A LITTLE FORESHADOWING TO YOU OF SOME CHANGES WE'D LIKE TO MAKE TO SECTION 40 OR CHAPTER 48, JUST TO BRING IT UP TO DATE. THAT THAT'S A WILDLY OUTDATED CHAPTER OF YOUR CODE. I THINK THAT THE CITY HAS MADE IT CLEAR THAT WHILE THE STATE NO LONGER REQUIRES THIS MONITORING PROGRAM, THE CITY, WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE DOING THIS AS AN ANNUAL REPORTING TO YOU. SO WE'LL KEEP THAT OBVIOUSLY IN THE CODE IN CHAPTER 48, BUT WE DO NEED TO CLEAN UP JUST SOME OF THE, THE SECTIONS THAT ARE NO LONGER RELEVANT OR THAT ARE OUTDATED AND REFERENCE OBSOLETE REFERENCE THE STATE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT TAKING AWAY. OKAY. NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO TAKE AWAY ANY OF THE THE REQUIREMENTS HERE. WE JUST WANT TO I MEAN, WE'RE REFERENCING REPORTING TO A STATE AGENCY THAT DOESN'T EXIST ANYMORE. CORRECT? I GOT THAT. AS LONG AS IT'S SOLELY THAT FOR CLEANUP AND. YES. MR.. YES. YES, MADAM MAYOR. MY, MY STATEMENT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THAT, WHICH IS TRYING TO BLEND THREE THINGS TOGETHER. ONE, IF WE TRY TO GET IT ON THE FIRST, IT'S BEFORE THE WORKSHOP WHERE WE HAD THE PLAN CHANGES TO SECTION 48. SO THAT'S ONE THING. AND THE OTHER PART OF IT, I DON'T WANT TO RUSH WHAT'S IN THE CAPITAL PLAN TO TELL YOU WHAT OUR MITIGATION STRATEGIES ARE. I WANT IT TO BE COMPREHENSIVE. AND I THINK LAST YEAR WAS ACTUALLY THREE MEETINGS BEFORE WE CAME BACK TO YOU ON SECOND READING. AND I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO RUSH IT, BECAUSE I WANT TO RESERVE THE RIGHT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE EVERYTHING IN FRONT OF YOU AND BAKED OUT. YES, ABSOLUTELY. I DON'T THINK ANYONE ANYONE HAVE A OPPOSITION TO THAT. GOOD. NO. THANK YOU. YES. AND, MATTHEW IN REFERENCE TO OUR MITIGATION EFFORTS FOR THE ONE DEFICIENCY WE HAVE AS AS IT PERTAINS TO LEVEL OF SERVICE, WE ARE MEETING REQUIREMENTS BY TAKING NECESSARY STEPS TO MITIGATE THAT DEFICIENCY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS AT THE SECOND READING. CORRECT. WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WERE HERE LAST YEAR AS PART OF SECOND READING, ADOPTED MITIGATION EFFORTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN IN PLAY FOR THE LAST 12 MONTHS. AND THEN YOU WILL JUST KEEP COMPOUNDING ON THAT. YEP. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. YES. OKAY, GOOD. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I WAS REMEMBERING THAT PROPERLY AS FROM FROM THIS TIME LAST YEAR. CORRECT. OKAY. WITH THE UNDERSTANDING, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT ANY DEVELOPMENT THAT COMES IN HERE MUST MEET CONCURRENCY PERIOD, OR ELSE YOU CAN'T APPROVE IT. CORRECT? OKAY. SO YES, TO YOUR QUESTION WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT BIG PICTURE, SOMETHING COMES IN HERE AND DOESN'T MEET CONCURRENCY, THEN YOU CANNOT APPROVE IT, WHICH HAS NOT OCCURRED. BUT SEE, THAT THAT'S WHAT CONCERNS ME IS THIS BODY DIDN'T DECIDE TO TAKE ON THE STATE ROADS, CONCURRENCY LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR THE COUNTY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE ADOPTED HERE, IS WE AGREED THAT WE WOULD GO WITH THAT LOWER LEVEL OF SERVICE. AND I DON'T HEAR THAT FROM THIS BODY THAT WE WANT TO CONTINUE DOWN THAT PATTERN OF, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO TRAFFIC, TO SAY IT'S OKAY. THAT'S A PERFECT SEGUE. MAYOR, BECAUSE THAT ADOPTED LEVEL OF SERVICE IS FOUND IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE PRESENTED TO YOU, I BELIEVE. WHEN'S THE COMP PLAN COMING? THE THE COMP PLAN WILL BE BEFORE YOU ON APRIL 13TH. JUST A DRAFT. PERFECT. WHICH WILL INCLUDE THE CONCURRENCY MANAGEMENT, WHICH WILL INCLUDE THE ADOPTED LEVEL OF SERVICE, [04:55:06] WHICH WILL ACTUALLY INCLUDE WHAT YOU ARE IDENTIFYING, WHICH IS ADOPTING THE COUNTY LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR THE COUNTY ROADS. THAT LANGUAGE IS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WELL, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M NOT SAYING. I'M SAYING WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT AND SAY WHETHER THIS BODY WANTS TO CONTINUE TO ADOPT THOSE COUNTY LEVEL. AND THAT'S HE'S SAYING YOU'LL HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY WHEN WE AMEND THE COMP PLAN. CORRECT? OKAY. SORRY IF I DIDN'T KNOW I MEANT IT WAS A GOOD SEGUE BECAUSE THAT QUESTION IS GOING TO BE UP TO YOU ON APRIL 13TH. SO WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE THIS BUT POSSIBLY CHANGE IT IN THE COMP PLAN. WELL, SO I THINK THERE'S TWO IT'S TWO SEPARATE THINGS. UNFORTUNATELY, ALL WE CAN DO TODAY IS REPORT, WHETHER WE ARE MEETING THE LEVELS OF SERVICE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE ESTABLISHED, WHETHER WE IF WE DON'T LIKE THE LEVELS OF SERVICE THAT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED, THERE'S A DIFFERENT MECHANISM TO CHANGE THOSE LEVELS OF SERVICE. TODAY IS JUST REPORTING ON WHETHER WE MEET WHAT'S ALREADY IN THE BOOKS. BUT WHAT MR. MCCONNELL IS SAYING IS THAT THE LEVELS OF SERVICE THAT WE'VE ADOPTED, WE DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THOSE LEVELS OF SERVICE THAT WILL BE THROUGH THE COMP PLAN UPDATE. THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE SCHOOLS. WE AS A BODY, NOT THIS BODY, DECIDED NOT TO CONTINUE WITH THE AGREEMENTS WITH THE SCHOOLS, THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS. AND I, I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE RIGHT DECISION BECAUSE THEY WERE ANTIQUATED AND THEY NEEDED TO BE UPDATED. BUT WHEN I LOOK AT POTENTIAL PICKLEBALL COURTS AND ARE PARTNERING WITH THE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM, ESPECIALLY IN PARKS LIKE SEA GATE, THAT COULD WE COULD LOOK AT ADDING FACILITIES TO. I THINK I'D LIKE TO KNOW BRINGING BACK THAT AS A DISCUSSION AND HOW WE CAN GET BACK WITH INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS BECAUSE I THINK THEY WERE IMPORTANT, BUT WE JUST ELIMINATE THEM BECAUSE WE WEREN'T FOLLOWING THEM. YEP. AND WE DO, WE TOUCH ON THAT ALSO IN THE, IN THE COMP PLAN. UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT WE HAVE HERE, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WE'RE REPORTING HERE WITH RESPECT TO THE SCHOOL IS THIS MECHANISM THAT HERE TODAY IS BASICALLY TO SAY THAT WE CANNOT CONTINUE TO APPROVE DEVELOPMENT THAT WOULD INCREASE DEMAND ON THE SCHOOLS. IF THAT DEMAND, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY IN THE SCHOOLS. WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE TODAY IS WITHIN THE FIVE SCHOOLS THAT WE HAVE WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS, WE DO HAVE CAPACITY IN THOSE SCHOOLS TO ADD STUDENTS THROUGH THE APPROVAL OF DEVELOPMENTS. BUT WITH RESPECT TO ANY RECREATION, HOW THAT TIES IN, I THINK THAT'S ALSO IN THE COMP PLAN AND THE CONCURRENCY ELEMENT AS WELL. OKAY. JUST MY FINAL QUESTION IS WHAT AREAS OF OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE IN OUR COMP PLAN ARE, HAVE A LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED. IT'S O IN THE CONCURRENCY MANAGEMENT ELEMENT. SO WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT COMES BEFORE YOU FOR THE COMP PLAN. JUST A LITTLE PRECURSOR AND I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO FAR IN THE WEEDS IS WE'RE ACTUALLY COMBINING THE CONCURRENCY MANAGEMENT AND CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ELEMENT BECAUSE THEY TIE IN TOGETHER. YOU HAVE THE, THE NEED AND THEN HOW YOU'RE ADDRESSING THAT. SO IT'S GOING TO LOOK A LITTLE DIFFERENT WHEN IT COMES BEFORE YOU IN APRIL, BUT WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE ELEMENT NOW IS PARKLANDS, RECREATION FACILITIES. WATER QUALITY DRAINAGE, PUBLIC SCHOOLS. SO SAME, SAME AS IN YOUR, IN CHAPTER 48. WELL, WHEN I LOOK AT THE COMP OR IN THE COMP PLAN IN THE CONCURRENCY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM ELEMENT, RIGHT? SO THERE ARE LEVELS OF SERVICE LIKE. FOR INTERGOVERNMENTAL, THERE'S ALSO FOR THE AIRPORT THERE, THERE'S AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION ELEMENT AS WELL. SO WHAT WE HAVE IS INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND A CONCURRENCY MANAGEMENT SYSTEM ELEMENT. THOSE ARE THREE SEPARATE ELEMENTS. CURRENTLY. WHAT YOU'LL SEE THAT COMES BEFORE YOU IN APRIL IS WE'RE COMBINING THOSE TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY REALLY ALL TIE IN TOGETHER. SO YOU'LL SEE THIS BEFORE YOU IN APRIL. THE PROPOSAL WILL LOOK VERY DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S HOW ALL OF THOSE INTERACT WITH EACH OTHER. OKAY, I'LL FIGURE THAT OUT WHEN YOU CAN EXPLAIN IT BETTER. WE'LL BE PUBLISHING THAT SOON. OKAY. AND WHAT ABOUT THE THE AIRPORT LEVEL OF SERVICE? SO WITH RESPECT TO LEVEL LEVELS OF SERVICE AS REQUIRED BY THE STATE, WHICH YOU HAVE IN HERE AS, AS TRUE LEVELS OF SERVICE, IT'S THE ONES THAT I READ. SO YOU HAVE PUBLIC SCHOOL FACILITIES DRAINAGE, THE POTABLE WATER QUALITY, POTABLE WATER, RECREATION FACILITIES, PARKLANDS. IT'S THE SAME AS THE ONES YOU HAVE IN CHAPTER 48. NOW YOU HAVE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS IN YOUR COMP PLAN THAT ARE NOT IN THE CONCURRENCY MANAGEMENT THAT SET STANDARDS [05:00:02] FOR OTHER. BUT LIKE THE LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR THE AIRPORT ISN'T ONE OF THE ONES THAT'S MANDATED FOR CONCURRENCY BY THE STATE. RIGHT? SO I'M NOT TALKING MANDATED. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHAT AREAS HAVEN'T WE ADDRESSED THAT ARE THERE. HAVE WE NOT ADDRESSED TODAY? I WOULD HAVE TO GO THROUGH OUR COMP PLAN AND PERFECT PROVIDE THAT. THAT'S WHAT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO KNOW ALL OVER THE PLACE. THANK YOU. OKAY. FINAL QUESTIONS. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE FOR THE PURPOSE OF ADOPTING THE 2025 LEVEL OF SERVICE REPORT. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER BARTON AND A SECOND FOR APPROVAL OF THE LEVEL OF SERVICE REPORT BY COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN. DO I HAVE DISCUSSION? DO WE HAVE TO ANTICIPATE THE READING OF THE SECOND OR THE SECOND READING ON APRIL 1ST, OR AS SOON THEREAFTER AS POSSIBLE OR NOT? NO, NO, NO. BUT I WILL SAY FOR THE RECORD, DO WE IDENTIFY IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? THANK YOU SIR. NO, I DO NOT, MADAM CLERK. THANK YOU. OKAY. MOTION STANDS. OKAY. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. YES. VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRULL. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ. YES. MAYOR HEITMANN. YES. YES. AND I'LL JUST SAY THIS MAY HAVE BEEN TEDIOUS, BUT IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT DOCUMENTS THAT WE REVIEW IS THE LEVEL OF SERVICE SO THAT IT REVEALS OUR SHORTFALLS AND BRINGS OUR ATTENTION TO PRIORITIZING OUR OUR RESOURCES. SO THANK YOU COUNCIL FOR THAT. AND THANK YOU, STAFF. PARDON? SORRY, I WASN'T AHEAD OF MYSELF. OKAY, THAT CONCLUDES 15 A GOING TO 16. SECOND READING OF ORDINANCES. THERE ARE NONE GOING TO PUBLIC COMMENT. IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE FILL OUT YOUR. MADAM MAYOR. OH, SORRY. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. 14 E. THANK YOU. BOY, I JUST ALMOST SKIPPED OVER. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO 14 E AGAIN IF YOU WANT TO SIGN UP IN PUBLIC COMMENT, PLEASE DO [14.E) Discussion of HB 4005 (Supplement 1/Added Item).] SO AND TURN IN THE SLIPS TO THE CLERK. AND WITH THAT, MR. YOUNG, I SURE I'LL OPEN IT. AS YOU KNOW, ON ON MONDAY, MARCH 16TH, CITY COUNCIL HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT ADDING A SUPPLEMENT TO THIS AGENDA. SO BEFORE YOU TODAY IS THE SENATE BILL THAT WAS PASSED IN ITS CURRENT FORM AND JUST THE INTRODUCTION. AND OTHER THAN THAT, IT OPENED UP FOR THIS COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION ON THIS MATTER. AND I DEFER TO YOU ON ON, YOU KNOW, THAT. AND AND I'M HERE READY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS OR SUMMARIZE ANYWHERE WHERE WE'VE GOTTEN TO, AS YOU KNOW, SO, RIGHT. SO I JUST ALL KIND OF SUMMARIZE COUNCIL THAT WE HAD A CHARTER MEETING YESTERDAY AND HAD, WHICH IS YOUR CITY CLERK, YOUR CITY ATTORNEY AND YOUR CITY MANAGER AND DISCUSSING THE SENATE BILL. MR.. YOUNG GAVE A REPORT OF HIS COMMUNICATIONS. AND SO HAS THE ATTORNEY. I'LL JUST SAY THAT FOR ME AND FOR THIS COUNCIL AN ENTITY CHALLENGING OUR HOME RULE OR TRYING TO TAKE AWAY OUR HOME RULE IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO ADAMANTLY PROTECT AND DEFEND. THE AIRPORT IS OUR LARGEST ASSET. IT'S THE LARGEST ASSET FOR THE CITY TAXPAYERS. AND WE DO HAVE A RIGHT TO DEFEND THE RIGHT TO MANAGE THE PROPERTY THAT THE TAXPAYERS OWN, THE LARGEST PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT THE TAXPAYERS OWN. IN FACT, WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO THEM TO DO SO. SO AS THERE HAVE BEEN CONVERSATIONS THAT THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF HEAD OF COMMUNICATIONS THAT WERE GIVEN TO OUR REPRESENTATIVES, AND WHAT WE DECIDED WAS TO WRITE A LETTER TO THE GOVERNOR. SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT WAS GOING TO OUR REPRESENTATIVES, BUT DETAILING A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION. [05:05:03] AND THAT PERTAINS TO THE GOVERNOR AND THE POSSIBILITY OF HIM SIGNING IT. WE ALSO DISCUSSED THAT THERE WOULD BE A POTENTIAL DELEGATION TEN ATTENDANTS TO MEET WITH THE GOVERNOR AND WITH THAT ALSO A PRESS RELEASE THAT WOULD COME DIRECTLY FROM US SO THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS ABLE TO MAKE A CLEAR STATEMENT OF FACTS. I THINK THAT THE CITY MANAGER'S EFFORTS AND THE ATTORNEY'S EFFORTS IN MOVING FORWARD AND ASSURING THAT WE DO ANALYZE AND LOOK AT EVERY PATHWAY FORWARD AND ADDRESSING THE MOST CURRENT LEGISLATION THAT HAS BEEN APPROVED AND IS STILL WAITING TO GO TO THE GOVERNOR. IT'S OUR OBLIGATION. WE NEED TO DO EVERYTHING WE POSSIBLY CAN. MR.. YOUNG. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT, JUST IN SUMMARY, THAT WE DIDN'T SEND THE LETTER YESTERDAY THAT WE WORKED. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, WE EACH WENT OUR SEPARATE WAYS, THEN CAME BACK TOGETHER. AND SO THAT IS THAT THAT IS WHERE WE STAND. THE INTENT IS TO HAVE IT CRAFTED AS THE MAYOR INDICATED, WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE ALL TALKED ABOUT AND EXTENDING OUR REQUEST TO HAVE A NAPLES DELEGATION MEET WITH THE GOVERNOR. SO THAT IS THE INTENT. AND AS YOU KNOW, THE MOMENT YOU SEND IT ANYWAY YOU'LL GET A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST TO HAVE IT DISTRIBUTED. THERE'S NO REASON WE ALL AGREED TO, TO, TO NOT HANDLE IT IN THAT WAY IS TO ALSO JUST MAKE IT AVAILABLE AND TO DELIVER IT IN THOSE WAYS AND INCLUDING TO THE GOVERNOR, MAKE SURE OUR LEGISLATORS HAVE IT, AND THEN ALSO TO DISSEMINATE IT THROUGH, THROUGH BOTH SETS OF LOBBYISTS AND, AND MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IT'S COMMUNICATED AS FAR OUT AS WE CAN. SO THAT WAS A VERY GOOD SUMMARY. MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO ADD THOSE ELEMENTS TO IT. SO THANK YOU. MR. MCCONNELL, ANYTHING TO ADD TO THAT? NO, I THINK THAT WAS VERY WELL SAID. MAYOR. THE ONLY THING I WILL ADD IS I DID WATCH COMMUNICATIONS MONDAY NIGHT. AND JUST SO YOU ALL KNOW, ALL OF YOU CAN EXPECT AN EMAIL OR A CALL FROM MY OFFICE. I AM SETTING ONE ON ONES WITH BOTH ANDREW BARR AND JAMIE COLE FOR EACH OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY TO TALK THROUGH OPTIONS AS WERE AS WAS REQUESTED BY COUNCIL. THOSE WILL PROBABLY BE VIRTUAL JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE IN COLORADO AND ONE ON THE EAST COAST. BUT JUST ANTICIPATE THOSE PHONE CALLS AND EMAILS FROM MY OFFICE WITH SOME AVAILABILITY, I WOULD SAY OVER THE NEXT MONTH. OKAY. I'M SORRY. MEET WITH THEM OVER THE NEXT MONTH, DEPENDING ON AVAILABILITY. I MEAN, WE'RE AT, WE'RE TWO WEEKS AWAY FROM APRIL. THE DATES I'M GETTING BLEED INTO APRIL, SO I SET A MONTH, BUT LET'S JUST CALL IT 2 TO 3 WEEKS. AGAIN, I'M SETTING UP SEVEN HOUR MEETINGS WITH EACH OF YOU AND EVERYONE'S AN ATTORNEY WITH A SCHEDULE, SO. OKAY. I THINK THAT EXPEDITING AND MAKING SURE WE CAN ADDRESS THAT. JUST, WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THE GOVERNOR MIGHT SIGN THIS. AND WE ALSO NEED, AS WE DISCUSSED, FIND THOSE PATHWAYS AND OPTIONS AND MOVING FORWARD. SO IS THERE IS THERE ANY WAY TO GET THOSE MEETINGS WITH COUNCIL SOONER? I CAN ASK. OKAY, I CAN ASK. BUT AGAIN, I, I CAN'T CONTROL THEIR CALENDARS EITHER. I BET SANDRA CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN. IF YOU NEED SOME HELP. I MEAN, SHE'S JUST GOOD AT COORDINATING. IF YOU NEED AGAIN, AND I MEAN, WHETHER I ASK IT OR SANDRA, ASK IT. THEIR CALENDAR IS THE SAME. I MEAN, IT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE HEARINGS AND OTHER COMMITMENTS THAT THEY HAVE TO ATTEND TO. SANDRA CAN HELP IF SHE WISHES, BUT I COULD ALWAYS BIFURCATE THE MEETING. MAYBE HAVE ONE MEETING WITH JAMIE COLE. AND THEN IF ANDREW BARR IS UNAVAILABLE TILL LATER, ANOTHER MEETING WITH HIM. BUT YES, I MEAN, I'LL DO MY BEST TO GET YOU GUYS THE INFORMATION AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT BASED ON WHAT I'VE DISCUSSED WITH THE LOBBYISTS, THIS BILL HAS NOT BEEN PRESENTED TO THE GOVERNOR FOR SIGNATURE YET. SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE HAVE A BUNCH OF TIME, BUT I AM SAYING THAT I THINK THE FOCUS TODAY IS GETTING OUT THE GOVERNOR LETTER, IDENTIFYING THE DELEGATION, AND THEN ALLOWING ME AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH THE ATTORNEYS AND FIND TIMES THAT FIT ALONG WITH YOU ALL'S SCHEDULE AND GET THOSE ON THE CALENDAR AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. WELL, MAYOR ALONG THOSE LINES, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT. WAIT. I'M SORRY. ONE SECOND. I HAVE KRAMER IN FRONT OF YOU. [05:10:02] I'LL JUST SAY, THOUGH, I NOT AS THE LOBBYIST, BUT AS COLE. IF THERE ARE, WE HIRED HIM FOR RECOMMENDATIONS. NOW IS THE TIME. SO I'LL GO WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS NOW. KRAMER AND BARTON AND BLANKENSHIP. I'VE JUST GOT A FEW THOUGHTS. I'LL TRY TO BE BRIEF AND CONCISE. FIRST, IF THERE'S A DELEGATION GOING UP. I'M HAPPY TO BE PART OF IT. I THINK, TO KIND OF RESPOND TO WHAT THE MAYOR'S WHERE THE MAYOR'S GOING. THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS IS GETTING THE LETTER WRITTEN. AND I WANT TO ENCOURAGE MY COLLEAGUES, MYSELF INCLUDED, THAT WE DO NOT SAY ANYTHING UP HERE TODAY. THAT IN ANY WAY TIPS OUR HAND FOR ANY POSSIBLE FUTURE LITIGATION. THAT WOULD GIVE ANYONE INSIGHT TO ANY OF OUR STRATEGIES. I JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT'S MYSELF INCLUDED. SO THAT MAKES IT HARD HERE BECAUSE WE'RE IN THE SUNSHINE. SO HAVING SAID THAT, SINCE WE'RE IN THE SUNSHINE AND TO COMPLY FULLY, I THINK AS A GROUP, WE NEED TO TRUST OUR ATTORNEY WHO CAN GET AHOLD OF JAMIE COLE. TRUST THE TWO OF THEM THAT THEY'RE GOING TO CREATE A LETTER WHICH EMPHASIZES POLICY ISSUES, WHICH COULD BE COMPELLING FOR THE GOVERNOR TO VETO THIS. I DON'T IF WE GO LINE ITEM RIGHT NOW ABOUT STUFF, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A WISE STRATEGY. OKAY. THAT'S SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY I SUPPORT THE LETTER BEING FORMED BY THE CITY MANAGER, THE ATTORNEY AND OUR LEGAL GUIDANCE. OKAY. AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF THIS WOULD BE I'LL GET CONSENSUS AS. AND THAT'S THE IMPERATIVE WE GOT TO GET TO BECAUSE THIS THING'S ON A WE'RE ON A SHOT CLOCK ALREADY. AS FAR AS ANY FUTURE, ANYTHING. I DON'T WANT TO GIVE ANY LISTING OF ANYTHING, ANY POSSIBILITIES OF ANY FUTURE POSSIBILITIES. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE INDIVIDUALLY ON CALLS WITH THE ATTORNEYS AND GAME PLAN. SO THAT WHEN WE DO GET TOGETHER IN THE SUNSHINE AND HAVE TO HAVE CONSENSUS, IT'S VERY INFORMED AND HOPEFULLY THERE'S UNANIMITY WITH IT. AGAIN, I LIKE, I DON'T WANT THE OPPONENT TO EVER SEE MY GAME PLAN. AND SO THAT MAKES THIS A VERY DIFFICULT PROCESS, I THINK, AT THIS POINT. IF THERE WERE TO BE SOME LITIGATION THAT HAPPENS IN THE FUTURE, THEN EVERYTHING COMES THEN. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THEN WE GET EXECUTIVE SESSION AND WE CAN DEAL WITH IT THERE. BUT SO I'M JUST CAUTIONING ME AND I DON'T WANT TO BE LIKE, I'M A KNOW IT ALL OR BOSS OR WHATEVER, BUT I'M JUST TELLING YOU, MY FEAR IS THAT WE GIVE ANY ANYONE FUEL. I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. AND AGAIN, I THANK YOU, MAYOR, FOR SUPPORTING THE IDEA, AND I HOPE ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES WOULD SUPPORT THE IDEA OF ALLOWING THE LETTER TO BE CRAFTED AND THEN HAND-DELIVERED, I THINK, CRAFTED BY OUR ATTORNEYS AND THEN HAND-DELIVERED. AND THAT WE WOULD NOT GO ITEM BY ITEM OVER THAT RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW. AND THANK YOU FOR THAT TIME. YEAH, THE. I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT IN REFERENCE TO GETTING THESE MEETINGS DONE, IT IS IMPORTANT TO MAKE IT EXPEDITED, OBVIOUSLY. OH THANK YOU DAVID. IT IS IMPORTANT TO GET THESE THESE MEETINGS EXPEDITED. BUT WE SHOULD ALL KNOW ALSO THAT OUR ATTORNEYS ARE GOING TO BE WORKING BEHIND THE SCENES ON OUR OPTIONS PRIOR AND DURING OUR EFFORTS TO HAVE THESE INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS. SO THEY'RE NOT SITTING AROUND GOING, OKAY, WE'VE GOT TWO OUT OF THREE DONE. WE'VE ONLY GOT WE ONLY GOT FIVE MORE BEFORE YOU GET TO START TO WORK ON THIS. THEY'RE GOING TO BE WORKING ON THIS WITH PRIOR TO, DURING AND AFTER OUR INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS. SO THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT SITTING ON THEIR HANDS. THEY'VE THEY'VE, THEY'VE RECEIVED INSTRUCTION FROM OUR STAFF TO, TO, TO DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE OUR OPTIONS AVAILABLE. AND AS LONG AS, AS FAR AS WHAT COACH SAID YEAH, LET'S, LET'S FOCUS TODAY ON THIS, THIS GOVERNOR'S LETTER, GETTING IT OUT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. LIKE IMMEDIATELY. AND THEN ALSO ALL OF US UP HERE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL PASSIONATE AND SMART AND WE'VE GOT GOOD IDEAS AND WE WANT TO SHARE THOSE IDEAS, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO DO IS NECESSARILY SHARE THEM RIGHT NOW. WHAT YOU WANT TO DO THOUGH, IS YOU WANT TO SHARE THEM WITH THE ATTORNEYS WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR ONE ON ONE MEETINGS. THAT'S WHEN THAT'S WHEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TELL THOSE GUYS HOW SMART YOU ARE AND WHAT FANTASTIC IDEAS YOU GOT AS FAR AS WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING TO PREPARE OURSELVES FOR SOMETHING. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT, TO SHARE THOSE THOUGHTS AND SHARE THOSE IDEAS WITH THOSE ONE ON ONES WITH, WITH THE ATTORNEYS. AND ULTIMATELY, WHEN WE'RE INSTRUCTED TO DO SO, WE CAN HAVE THESE DISCUSSIONS IN DETAIL. OUT HERE IN THE PUBLIC WITHOUT TIPPING OUR HAND OR SHOWING OUR GAME PLAN. SO MESSAGE DELIVERED IN REFERENCE TO THAT QUESTION ABOUT THE LETTER TO THE GOVERNOR. I DID HEAR YOU SAY THAT YOU GUYS, YOU GUYS MET AND WE'RE CLOSE TO HAVING IT CRAFTED. [05:15:02] NOT OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT CRAFTED QUITE YET, IS IT? IT'S IS IT GOING TO BE DONE TODAY OR IS THAT OKAY? SO, SO TO RELIEVE ANY FEARS, LET'S BE CLEAR. IT WILL BE CRAFTED BY THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. MONIQUE, MYSELF, MATTHEW. CONSISTENT WITH OUR DISCUSSIONS YESTERDAY AND DIVULGING WHAT WE FEEL IS APPROPRIATE IN OUR OVERALL STRATEGY AS DEPICTED AND SIGNED OFF ON. TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE. BY THE CITY ATTORNEY. SO THE POINT BEING IS IT'S CONCEPTUALIZED AT THE MOMENT. IT'S PROBABLY 60% THERE. WE HAVE OUR BACK AND FORTH ON THAT TOMORROW IT WILL BE A LETTER SIGNED BY THE MAYOR, AS WAS THE ONE TO THE LEGISLATIVE BODY. ON BEHALF OF THIS COUNCIL, YOU WILL BE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO READ IT TOMORROW. THAT EMAIL WILL COME FROM MONIQUE ONCE WE'VE FINISHED AND ASKING FOR IMMEDIATE RESPONSES ON IT, AND THEN WE HOPE TO PUT IT OUT TOMORROW AFTERNOON. THAT IS THE PLAN. THAT'S WHAT I JUST DIDN'T HEAR THAT THAT SPECIFIC TIME FRAME. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. THAT'S I AM I'M GOOD. MAYOR, CAN I ASK HIM A QUESTION? YES, SIR. JUST A QUESTION FOR MR. YOUNG. I'M I'M HOPEFUL THAT IT BECAUSE WE KIND OF ALLUDED TO THIS. AND THIS GOES INTO TRUSTING OUR ATTORNEYS AND OUR CITY MANAGER AND MONIQUE, THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A RINSE AND REPEAT OF THE LETTER THAT WAS SENT IN THE PAST. NO, IT IS NOT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BLANKENSHIP, THANK YOU. AND I AGREE WITH WHAT THE THREE OF YOU HAVE ALREADY SAID. I WON'T REPEAT IT. I DID WANT TO SHARE SOME ENCOURAGING FEEDBACK. I'VE HAD OVERWHELMING FEEDBACK. I FEEL LIKE FROM RESIDENTS FOLLOWING THAT MEETING ON MONDAY, THAT THEY SUPPORT OUR EFFORTS TO DEFEND THE CITY'S KEY ASSET AND THIS KEY AMENITY AND KEY SERVICE THAT WE PROVIDE TO OUR RESIDENTS. AND THEY WANT TO PROTECT IT AND MAKE SURE IT'S KEPT SAFE. AND THEY'RE LOOKING TO US TO HELP ENSURE THAT. SO I FOUND THAT VERY ENCOURAGING. I DID HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE AN INTRODUCTORY CALL YESTERDAY WITH JAMIE COLE AND MATTHEW WERE ON IT, AND I FOUND THAT VERY ENCOURAGING. THEY STARTED TO MENTION SOME OF THE POTENTIAL LEGAL PATHWAYS WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO PURSUE. IT WAS JUST AN INITIAL CALL. WE NEED MORE DETAIL. MR. BAR WASN'T ON THAT CALL, BUT I FOUND IT VERY ENCOURAGING AND ENLIGHTENING. AND I HOPE THAT ALL SEVEN OF US CAN HAVE THOSE DETAILED CONVERSATIONS VERY SOON, SO WE CAN FLESH OUT WHAT OUR STRATEGY MIGHT, MIGHT BE. IF IT'S NEEDED NOW, HOPEFULLY THE LETTER TO THE GOVERNOR AND CITIZEN OUTREACH, OUR OWN OUTREACH, OR HOPEFULLY A MEETING WITH THE GOVERNOR OR HIS STAFF WILL BE SUCCESSFUL. AND IF WE HAVE, IF THE BILL IS VETOED, THEN WE WON'T HAVE TO TAKE FURTHER LEGAL ACTION. BUT AT LEAST WE'LL BE PREPARED IF WE DO IF WE DO NEED TO. SO I JUST WANTED TO, TO SHARE THAT FEEDBACK WITH YOU ALL. THANKS. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN SCHULTZ. ONE'S A QUESTION. THE ACTUALLY THE STATEMENT FIRST THAT THE HOUSE WAS, WHAT, 112 TO 1 AND THE ONE WAS A MISTAKE. HE MEANT TO PLAY CHESS WHEN HE PRESSED. NO. SO I BELIEVE YOU SPEAK INTO THE MIC SO WE CAN GET THE. I'M SORRY. IS THIS ANY BETTER? GOOD. ONE, 12 TO 1. AND IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN 113 TO 0. WHAT WAS THE VOTE IN THE SENATE? THE VOTE IN THE SENATE. I BELIEVE IT WAS 3036 TO 0 OR IT WAS UNANIMOUS 30 SOMETHING TO ZERO. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. CAN I COMMENT ON THAT? YES. THE WAY THE STATE WORKS. IF YOU WATCH THE VOTING, IT'S LIKE A MACHINE. THEY'RE LIKE. AND IF THE LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES SUPPORT IT, THEY DON'T QUESTION IT. SO THEY ALL VOTE UNANIMOUS THAT WAY. SO DON'T BE DON'T BE DECEIVED BY THOSE NUMBERS BECAUSE THAT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST HOW THEY OPERATE. IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN MOST OTHER. THEY DON'T HAVE DELIBERATED ABOUT IT. I'VE BEEN IN A LEGISLATIVE PROCESS SINCE 1978, SIR. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO SAY TOO, THAT WE SHOULD LET OUR RESIDENTS KNOW WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE. I MEAN, THIS IS INCREDIBLE OVERRIDE OF OF YOU GUYS. I MEAN THE VOTER, YOU KNOW, THE VOTERS, THE GOVERNMENT, EVERYTHING. SO I THINK I'M COMMITTED TO DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. DID SOMEBODY SAY SOMETHING? NO. OKAY. FIRST SPEAKER IS JOE MIGLIARA. [05:20:04] GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. THANK YOU. JOE MIGLIARA FOURTH AVENUE SOUTH IN NAPLES. AND AND THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY, AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU'RE TRYING TO DO TODAY AND THE CONSERVATIVENESS OF NOT DIVULGING STRATEGY. I APPRECIATE THAT VERY MUCH. FROM MY PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW I DON'T SEE THIS REALLY ABOUT THE ENABLING ACT THAT'S REALLY DEFINING WHETHER NAPLES DEFENDS ITS HOME RULE. AND TO ME, THE DISCUSSION IS FRAMED VERY NARROWLY. IF IT'S ALL ABOUT THE, THE LEGISLATION. SOME THINK IT'S JUST A SIMPLE MATTER OF THE LEGISLATION ENABLED THE ACT. SO THEREFORE THEY CAN AMEND IT, THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT WITH IT, BUT THAT'S INCOMPLETE. WHAT'S REALLY AT STAKE IS NOT JUST THE LANGUAGE OF THE ENABLING STATUTE. IT'S THE PRINCIPLE OF HOME RULE. AND WHETHER THIS COUNCIL BELIEVES IT HAS AN OBLIGATION TO DEFEND IT. HOME RULE IS NOT SELF-EXECUTING. IT DOESN'T DEFEND ITSELF. IT NEEDS THE CITY TO DEFEND IT. AND THAT'S DIFFICULT. UNCERTAIN, SOMETIMES UNPOPULAR. IF YOU BELIEVE SOMETHING IS PREORDAINED BY STATUTE, THEN THE OUTCOME IS ALSO PRETTY DISDAINED. LOCAL AUTHORITY HEALS QUIETLY, PERMANENTLY. I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THE COUNCIL RECOGNIZED WHAT'S OCCURRED. IT'S A DIRECT, TARGETED ATTACK ON THE GOVERNANCE OF A CITY OWNED ASSET WITHOUT LOCAL PROCESS. THIS IS NO LONGER ABOUT THE CAN THE STATE ACT? THEY HAVE OR THEY WILL. IT'S ABOUT WHETHER THE CITY WILL RESPOND. AND THAT'S A QUESTION OF PRINCIPLE. LEGAL COUNSEL MAY VIEW HOME RULE CHALLENGE AS AN UPHILL BATTLE. A LOT OF. YOU MIGHT ALSO. IT'S COMPLEX. IT'S UNCERTAIN, NOT SURE OF ITS SUCCESS. BUT THAT'S NOT A REASON TO STAND DOWN. IT'S A REASON TO BE CLEAR EYED ABOUT THE RISK, FOR SURE. AND EQUALLY CLEAR ABOUT RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE OF HOME RULE IS ONLY DEFENDED WHEN SUCCESS IS GUARANTEED. IT'S NOT A GOVERNING PRINCIPLE. IT'S A SLOGAN. THE VOTE IN TALLAHASSEE WAS UNANIMOUS OR NEAR UNANIMOUS. BUT UNANIMOUS UNANIMITY IS NO SUBSTITUTE FOR LEGITIMACY. AND IF THE CITY DECLINES TO ACT BECAUSE THE ODDS ARE LONG, THEN WE ARE NOT PRESERVING AUTHORITY. WE'RE SIGNALING THAT IT CAN BE TAKEN AWAY WITHOUT RESISTANCE. THE BILL DID NOT EMERGE FROM A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT OR COLLABORATIVE PROCESS WITH YOU. IT CAME WITHOUT MEANINGFUL DIALOG WITH COUNCIL NO COMPELLING STATE INTEREST. I BELIEVE IT SUFFERS FROM DEFECTIVE NOTICE. IT DIRECTLY ALTERS CONTROL OF THE CITY ASSET. THIS IS NOT ROUTINE GOVERNANCE. IT'S A FUNDAMENTAL SHIFT IN WHO DECIDES. THE BILL CAME OUT OF LEFT FIELD WITH NO JUSTIFICATION. LET'S BE CLEAR. THE JUSTIFICATION WE'RE HEARING IS NOT ABOUT SAFETY, NOT ABOUT EFFICIENCY, NOT ABOUT STATEWIDE POLICY. IT'S ABOUT NOT LIKING WHO YOU APPOINTED. THAT'S A REMARKABLY THIN BASIS FOR A LAW THAT RESTRUCTURES CONTROL OF THE MOST VALUABLE CITY OWNED ASSET. THAT'S NOT POLICY. THAT'S PREFERENCE DRESSED AS LEGISLATION, THAT'S PREFERENCE OVER PERSONALITY. THAT'S PERSONALITY. I'M SORRY. THAT'S PREFERENCE FOR PERSONALITIES OVER PRINCIPLE. AND FRANKLY, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN CAVE INTO THAT. SO THE QUESTION BEFORE YOU IS NOT SIMPLY DOES THE STATE HAVE THE LEGAL AUTHORITY TO DO THIS? THE QUESTION IS DO YOU HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO DEFEND IT? I BELIEVE THE ANSWER IS YES. NOT BECAUSE WE'RE GUARANTEED TO WIN. IT'S A TOUGH BATTLE, BUT BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT REPRESENTATION REQUIRES. NAPLES RESIDENTS ARE NOT ASKING FOR CERTAINTY. THEY'RE ASKING FOR DEFENSE, FOR PRINCIPLE, FOR LEADERSHIP. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. VERY MUCH APPRECIATE YOUR APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS. THANK YOU. AND WE ARE AT 14 E PUBLIC COMMENT REGISTRATION FORMS ARE IN THE BACK AND CAN BE GIVEN TO THE CLERK IF YOU WISH TO SPEAK. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JANET FERRIE. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. COUNCIL JANET PERRY. 34102. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE. THIS HAS TO BE ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT AND CONCERNING ISSUES THAT HAS FACED THIS CITY. YOU. CAN RESPOND WITH SOUND GOVERNANCE TO ALMOST EVERYTHING. HURRICANES, COVID, FLOODING, EVEN THE STAY AT HOME RULE ATTACKS ON ALL OF THE MUNICIPALITIES ACROSS FLORIDA GIVE YOU SOME CAMARADERIE WITH THE OTHER CITIES, TOO. TO DISCUSS THAT AND WORK WITHIN THAT. BUT THIS POLITICALLY MOTIVATED, TARGETED LEGISLATION ON YOUR AUTHORITY. OUR CITY LAND, YOUR LEASE WITH YOUR TENANT ISOLATES YOU AND NEUTERS THE DEMOCRACY THAT YOUR CONSTITUENTS DEPEND ON. SPECIAL INTERESTS WHO ENCOURAGE THIS BILL AND WANT INFLUENCE OVER OUR LARGEST ASSET. [05:25:04] HAVE TOLD AT LEAST ONE COUNCIL MEMBER WE WILL BY THE COUNTY ELECTION. THIS BILL IS NOT INVITING CORRUPTION. IT'S HERE. THE STATE HAS OFFERED NO JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS, TAKING NO PROBLEM TO BE SOLVED. IN FACT, THEY'VE CREATED A PROBLEM. EVERY COUNCIL MEMBER ON THIS AND THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL HAVE TESTIFIED TO THE FACT THAT THIS IS PURELY POLITICAL. EVEN THOSE WHO HAVE ADVANCED THE BILL HAVE BEEN BOLDLY LOOSE LIPPED THAT THIS IS POLITICAL. YOUR AUTHORITY. 8% OF OUR CITY LAND, OUR LAND CODES, OUR LAWS, OUR CITY VISION, OUR CHARTER AND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WILL ALL BE FREE GAME UNDER THIS LAW BECAUSE A NEW OUTSIDE COMMISSION WILL CHALLENGE IT AS IT RELATES TO THE AIRPORT. WHAT COULD HAPPEN WHEN OUTSIDE SPECIAL INTERESTS TAKE CONTROL? UNINFORMED NA COMMISSIONERS, SUPPORTED BY POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEES AND THOSE WHO PROFIT FROM GROWTH, WHO MANAGE 8% OF OUR LAND WILL HAVE THEIR WAY. COMMISSIONERS WITH NO UNDERSTANDING OR AGENCY IN OUR CITY, IN THIS COMMUNITY, WHO DO NOT ACCEPT THE NOTION THAT THE NAPLES MUNICIPAL AIRPORT AS A CITY ASSET SHOULD COEXIST IN A POSITIVE WAY WITH OUR RESIDENTS ALIGNED WITH OUR CITY VISION. WE'LL BE MANAGING THIS LAND. LENGTHENING THE CROSS RUNWAY TO INCREASE JET TRAFFIC, PARTICULARLY OVER OUR NORTHERN NEIGHBORHOODS, IS LIKELY. REMOVAL OF THE WEIGHT LIMIT TO ALLOW BIGGER JETS AND COMMERCIAL ENGAGEMENT IS EVEN MORE LIKELY. CONSOLIDATION OF THREE LOCAL MUNICIPAL AIRPORTS, MOVING MOSQUITO CONTROL AND MOVING THE FLIGHT SCHOOLS TO MARKO TO MAKE MORE ROOM HERE WHERE THE MONEY IS FOR JETS IS ALMOST CERTAIN. CHALLENGES TO THE LEASE YOUR LAND CODES CLAIMING CITY OVERREACH IN THE LEASE. ANYTIME YOU EXERT YOUR AUTHORITY AND YOUR CODES THAT WOULD BE NOW SUPPORTED BY THE STATE IS ALMOST CERTAIN BY AN OUTSIDE AGENCY. THIS LEGISLATION MAKES YOUR LOSS OF CONTROL AND PERPETUITY. LEGAL LOSS OF THE MANAGEMENT OF 8% OF LAND VALUED AT 600,000 TO $1 BILLION. THAT BELONGS TO THIS CITY AND THIS CITY ALONE. MONETIZE THAT. WHERE DOES AN EMBOLDENED STATE AND CITY STOP? WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD OF FAIR AND EQUITABLE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS? CONTROL OR ACCESS AND MANAGEMENT OF YOUR BEACHES IS NOT UNLIKELY. PERHAPS IT WILL EVENTUALLY THINK THAT THE CITY SHOULD BE ANNEXED BY THE COUNTY BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE YOUR GOVERNANCE. THESE ARE ALL POSSIBLE CHALLENGES FOR THE PEOPLE WHO COME AFTER YOU. WE HAVE WATCHED A THOUGHTFUL, CAREFUL COUNCIL BE PATIENT AND HOPEFUL AND QUIET DURING THIS PROCESS. NOW OUR GREATEST ASSET. NAPLES. NICE IS OUR ACHILLES HEEL. IF WE DON'T TAKE ACTION. I URGE YOU TO PROTECT YOUR AUTHORITY. PROTECT OUR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. PROTECT GOVERNANCE. PROTECT YOUR CONSTITUENTS. PLEASE DEFEND AGAINST THIS EGREGIOUS LEGISLATION. WILL THE WITH THE FULL FORCE OF THE LAW. THERE IS NOT ANYONE ON THIS DAIS WHO HAS NOT SAID EITHER ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL OR ON THE DAIS AS SERVING AS COUNCIL, THAT IF IT COMES TO THAT. UNFORTUNATELY, IF IT COMES TO THAT, THAT'S WHAT THEY WILL SUPPORT. SO THAT IS SOLACE AND GOOD HOPE FOR YOUR CONSTITUENTS. AND I THANK YOU. I KNOW IT'S DIFFICULT. THANK YOU. MARIA MAYOR. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. AND MARIA MAYOR 34102. I AM ACTUALLY SPEAKING ON THIS MATTER, BUT VERY BRIEFLY, AND I DID PUT IN THE COMMENT IT WAS FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. SO IF YOU WISH ME TO ADDRESS BOTH MATTERS AT THE SAME TIME, I CAN DO THAT. OR DO YOU WANT ME TO WAIT TILL PUBLIC COMMENT? WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT NOW. NO. SORRY. I WANT TO KEEP IT CLEAN ON THIS ITEM. OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR ITEM 14. E IF COUNCIL DOESN'T HAVE ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS MR. YOUNG OR MR. MCCONNELL VICE MAYOR. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT TO MAYBE, PERHAPS CORRECT A MISPERCEPTION THAT MAY BE IN THE PUBLIC. ONE OF THE PIECES OF FEEDBACK I HEARD WAS THAT THE SPECIAL INTERESTS WERE PUSHING FOR THIS CHANGE BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THE NRA BOARD WAS NOT OPERATING IN A SAFE MANNER BECAUSE THEY TURNED DOWN SOME FAA SAFETY GRANTS. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY JUST TURNED DOWN THE GRANTS, BUT DECIDED TO PAY FOR THE SAFETY FEATURES THEMSELVES FROM NIH FUNDS. [05:30:02] SO THAT WAS NOT AN ACT AGAINST OPERATING A SAFE AIRPORT. IT WAS JUST SAYING, NO, THANK YOU FAA, WE DON'T NEED THE GRANTS RIGHT NOW. WE'RE GOING TO PAY FOR THEM OURSELVES. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC UNDERSTOOD THAT, AT LEAST WHAT I HEAR IS THAT THE NIH BOARD IS DOING THEIR BEST TO OPERATE THE AIRPORT IN A SAFE MANNER AND HAS, FOR AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER, I HAVE SAID THIS ONCE THE CONVERSATION STARTED TO SPIN OUT OF CONTROL AND HE SAID, SHE SAID, AND I THINK IT I THIS IS THE TIME TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE I HAVE A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION THAN YOU HAVE. AND THAT IS THAT THEY MAY HAVE SAID NO GRANTS OR MAY HAVE SAID NO GRANT. NO. EXCEPT THAT GRANT. BUT CLEARLY THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, MR. ROSANSKY, SAID IF IT COMES TO A SAFETY ISSUE, I WILL ACCEPT FAA GRANTS. AND I THINK THE RECORD NEEDS TO BE CLEAR SO THAT IT'S NOT MUDDLED ON WHAT EXACTLY HAPPENED IN, IN THAT SEQUENCE OF EVENTS. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. I GUESS MY, MY MAIN POINT IS I UNDERSTAND THE ANY BOARD IS DOING THEIR BEST TO OPERATE THE AIRPORT IN A SAFE MANNER. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR POINTS. I JUST WHEN THE RECORD ISN'T CORRECT, I WANT TO STATE THE RECORD TO BE CORRECT. THAT'S ALL I'M HOPING FOR. AND YES. KRAMER, CAN WE JUST MOVE FORWARD AND GET. I'M ALL FOR MOVING FORWARD AND HAVING THE LETTER WRITTEN AND TRUSTING OUR ATTORNEYS TO DO THAT. AND THEN I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER THING IS, ARE WE GOING TO SEND A DELEGATION? THREE THINGS I'LL GET A CONSENSUS ON. YES. MOVING FORWARD WITH THE LETTER, GETTING A MEETING ASKING A REQUEST FOR THE DELEGATION MEETING AND THE LOGISTICS CAN BE IRONED OUT. ONCE THAT OCCURS AND ALSO THAT WILL BE MEETING TO FIND OUT ALL OPTIONS THAT WE HAVE BEFORE US. COUNCIL MEMBER CARL. YES, YES, YES. DITTO. YES, YES, YES, YES TO ALL THREE. THANK YOU SCHULTZ. YES, YES YES YES. SO WITH THAT WE'LL CONCLUDE ON THAT ONE. I JUST HAVE ANOTHER PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT THE N, A, A AND MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC HAVE REQUESTED CLARIFICATION ON. AND WHEN WE NEED A CONSENSUS, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE GET A CONSENSUS, AND I'M COMMITTED TO THAT. AND IF I HAVEN'T GOTTEN IT, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THAT CONSENSUS BECAUSE IT'S IMPORTANT TO THE DIRECTION OF STAFF. THERE WAS AN ORDINANCE THAT WAS WORKED ON THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE FEBRUARY 18TH MEETING. THERE WAS CONVERSATION ON HOW WE WOULD MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT ORDINANCE. I NEED TO GET A CONSENSUS ON WHERE THIS COUNCIL STANDS ON MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS ORDINANCE. ARE WE GOING TO STAND ON THE LETTER OF OPINION FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY ON I DON'T HAVE A NUMBER, BUT IT WAS ORDINANCE 2026, THE ONE THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY WORKED DILIGENTLY ON AND TRIED TO COLLABORATE WITH ALL AGENCIES AND GETTING PROCEDURES IRONED OUT ON WHAT IS EXACTLY IN OUR COMP PLAN AND IN OUR CODE IN SITE PLAN APPROVALS. THIS ORDINANCE HAD SOME ISSUES WITHIN IT AND I BELIEVE THAT THIS ORDINANCE SHOULD BE DROPPED. AND IF THE STAFF IS UNCLEAR ON HOW TO PROCESS ALL PETITIONS AND THAT I THINK MR. YOUNG HAS CLARIFIED IT NUMEROUS TIMES THAT ALL PROJECTS THAT ARE WITHIN THE AIRPORT UTILIZATION PLAN WILL COME BEFORE COUNCIL. THERE NEEDS TO BE AN UPDATED UTILIZATION PLAN AND WE WILL HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH THE N A A. SO WITH THAT YOUR OPINIONS MR. CARL. I'M SORRY. I DON'T SEE ANY NEED FOR IT, AND I'M NOT. I WOULD NOT BEFORE MOVING ON THAT RIGHT NOW. BURTON. YES I AGREE WE DON'T. WE DON'T NEED TO MAKE THAT ORDINANCE DOES NOT NEED TO BE [05:35:12] VOTED ON AND PASSED. DISCUSSED. KRAMER, I NEED CLARIFICATION. I THOUGHT THE LAST COUNCIL DEALT WITH THIS. I THOUGHT THIS WAS DECIDED. IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, THEN I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE WORKSHOPPED WITH THE CURRENT COUNCIL. AT LEAST BE AN ITEM ON AN AGENDA. THIS IS I DON'T WANT TO CONFLATE THIS WITH WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING FORWARD. I HAVE TO GET CLARITY BECAUSE WE CAN'T LEAVE UNTIED BUSINESS OUT THERE. SO WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF UNTIDINESS OUT THERE, BUT WE CAN'T DO WHAT I DON'T WANT TO DO. I WANT TO GET DONE. WE NEED TO GET DONE RIGHT NOW. AND THE PRIORITY IS GETTING THAT LETTER TO THE GOVERNOR AND THEN SPEAKING WITH OUR ATTORNEYS ABOUT WHAT WE DON'T. THAT'S DECIDED. WELL, HERE'S WHAT ELSE I THINK IS DECIDED. WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW, AM I AM I IN A DIFFERENT. FIRST OF ALL, THIS ISN'T AN AGENDA ITEM, A, WHICH IS THE. I THOUGHT WE ALREADY DECIDED THIS WITH THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL AM I WRONG? TELL ME WHAT YOU THOUGHT WAS DECIDED. NOPE. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THAT I THINK IT WAS DECIDED. IT WAS. I THOUGHT ON OUR FIRST MEETING AGENDA FEBRUARY 18TH, THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE AND I THOUGHT WE DECIDED AT THAT POINT TO STOP IT. MAY I. YES, MR. MCCONNELL. SO FIRST READING WAS ACTUALLY ON JANUARY 21ST, WHICH WAS THE LAST MEETING OF THE PRIOR COUNCIL, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY WANTED TO DO. IT WAS CONTINUED TO WHAT I BELIEVE WHAT I HEARD TO ALLOW ME AN OPPORTUNITY, BECAUSE WE HAD GOTTEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMMUNICATIONS FROM ALL OF THESE ASSOCIATIONS AND AVIATION COUNCILS AND EVERYONE. SO THE CONSENSUS THAT I BELIEVED I RECEIVED AND WHAT I DID WAS RIGHT AFTER THAT, SEND AN EMAIL TO ALL THE PEOPLE THAT HAD REACHED OUT TO ME AND GAVE THEM A DROP DEAD DATE TO PROVIDE ANY COMMENTS ON THE ORDINANCE. IT WAS THEN PRESENTED TO THE NAA ON FEBRUARY 19TH. I SHOWED UP TO THAT MEETING AS WELL, AND ESSENTIALLY THE NAA MOTIONED TO AUTHORIZE PETER KIRSCH TO FORWARD HIS EDITS TO THE ORDINANCE TO COUNCIL, WHICH I HAD SENT TO YOU ON THE 18TH. THIS DID COME UP. I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS AN AGENDA ITEM, BUT IT DID COME UP AND COUNCIL DIRECTED ME TO FORWARD YOU ALL, AND I DID IT WHILE I WAS AT THE MEETING AND I CAN RESEND THE EMAIL IF I NEED TO. ALL OF THE INFORMATION, OUR OPINION LETTER, THE ORDINANCE AND PETER KIRSCH'S EDITS. I MADE IT CLEAR AT THAT MEETING THAT I WOULD NOT BE DOING ANYTHING FURTHER. I DO BELIEVE AT THE JANUARY 21ST MEETING. BUT AGAIN, IF PLANS HAVE CHANGED, THAT'S FINE. THE CONSENSUS WAS TO ADD IT TO A JOINT WORKSHOP WITH THE NA. NO, THERE WASN'T A CONSENSUS. WE DID THAT LAST NIGHT TILL 6:00. THE DISCUSSION WAS ALL RELATED TO A JOINT WORKSHOP WITH THE NA. I VIVIDLY REMEMBER SAYING, I DON'T WANT TO BE SANDBAGGED AGAIN FROM PETER KIRSCH. I WANT EVERYONE IN THE ROOM IF WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS THIS. AND I REWATCHED THE MEETING LAST NIGHT TO CONFIRM THAT. SO I ABSOLUTELY SAID THAT. BUT AGAIN, IF COUNCIL DOESN'T WANT TO MOVE FORWARD, PLEASE, THEN THAT'S FINE. THE ONLY THING I WILL SAY, THOUGH, TO GARY'S POINT IS OUR OPINION THEN STANDS AND WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER. IF NA COMES IN WITH AN APPLICATION TO PROCESS IT, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO WHAT'S DONE, BUT MY LEGAL OPINION IS YOU STILL NEED TO CLARIFY THE TERMINOLOGY AND THE COMP PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO ENSURE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME PLAN WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A PLAN. SO AT A MINIMUM, AT LEAST DO THAT. WELL, MADAM MAYOR, IN REFERENCE TO WHAT YOU JUST REMINDED US OF IN THAT MEETING WHERE YOU SAID, LET'S DO A JOINT MEETING WAS DISCUSSED. AND I SPECIFICALLY REMEMBER YOU SAYING YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SANDBAGGED AGAIN. LET'S GET EVERYBODY IN THE SAME ROOM ALL AT THE SAME TIME SAYING THE SAME THING. SO WE HEAR THE SAME THING. I WILL, I WILL SAY THAT MY, MY MOST RECENT JUST A FEW MINUTES AGO WHERE I SAID THAT, YEAH, WE WEREN'T GOING TO CONTINUE WITH IT. THAT WAS THE RATIONALE FOR MY STATEMENT BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING WAS IF IT'S GOING TO BE CONTINUED, IT'S GOING TO BE CONTINUED AFTER A JOINT SESSION AND WE DISCUSS IT FURTHER. AND IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S IT'S NOTHING THAT WE NEED TO VOTE ON RIGHT NOW. IT'S NOT BEING APPROVED RIGHT NOW. IT'S GOING TO BE IT'S IT'S OPEN FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION, BUT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE THAT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH AT THIS POINT IN TIME. AND I THOUGHT THAT'S WHAT YOU WERE ASKING. SO TWO THINGS TO THAT. IF I CAN JUST CLARIFY THAT, PLEASE. WHEN THE NRA ASKED, WHAT'S THE POSITION OF THE ORDINANCE AND THE COMMUNITY ASK, AND WE AREN'T CLEAR ON WHAT THE DIRECTION WAS. THEN WE NEED TO CLARIFY IT. AND THAT'S MY ONLY GOAL IN THIS. I AGREE, AND MY POSITION IS AT THE VERY LEAST, WE HAVE TO GET OUR LANGUAGE RIGHT. SO WE'RE CONSISTENT ACROSS ALL OF OUR PLATFORMS. AT THE VERY LEAST. AND NOBODY CAN SAY IT'S MORE CUMBERSOME OR INFRINGES ON ANYTHING. [05:40:04] AND THAT THAT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION WE HAD AT THAT MEETING WHERE WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A JOINT WORKSHOP AND HOLD THAT DUDE'S FEET TO THE FIRE, WHO COMPLAINS ABOUT SOMETHING THAT HE ADDED HIMSELF. I STILL, I STILL THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. MAN, I SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID THAT. BUT I JUST THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE DO GET TOGETHER AND THAT THERE ARE ATTORNEYS PRESENT AND OUR ATTORNEYS PRESENT, AND WE DON'T GET BLINDSIDED LIKE WE DID THE LAST TIME WE WEREN'T ALL TOGETHER. AND AND WE STATUS QUO IS NOT IF SAYING WE'RE NOT DOING THE ORDINANCE PERPETUATE STATUS QUO, THAT'S NOT OKAY. WE STILL HAVE TO GET CONSISTENCY IN OUR LANGUAGE FOR OUR, FOR OUR MASTER PLAN AND OUR UTILIZATION PLAN AND, AND WHAT IS A UTILIZATION PLAN, FOR EXAMPLE? AT THE VERY LEAST. AND SO I DON'T KNOW TO TALK ABOUT WE'RE NOT WRITING ORDINANCE. I'M, I'M, I JUST DON'T WANT THE CLARITY FOR ME IS WE ARE GOING TO REVISIT THIS AT A JOINT MEETING AND WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S BEEN TOO CONVOLUTED. AND I THINK I THINK IT SENDS THE WRONG MESSAGE TO SAY AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU CORRECT ME, MATTHEW, TO SAY I THINK IT SAYS WE'RE DONE WITH IT AND WE'RE NOT DONE WITH IT. SO YEAH. AND IF I MAY, MAYOR JUST FOR A MINUTE. YES, PLEASE, MR. MCCONNELL. TO YOUR CREDIT AND PRIOR COUNCILS CREDIT, THAT PROCESS WAS STARTED WITHOUT WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED IN PLAY. FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, I DON'T THINK IT'S A BAD IDEA TO TURN OUR FOCUS TO SOMETHING ELSE RIGHT NOW THAT'S IMMINENT. YOU HAVE COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS COMING FORWARD. ANDREW AND I AND STAFF HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THOSE COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS. THOSE COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS ARE GOING TO PROPOSE CHANGING SOME OF THE TERMINOLOGY. RIGHT. TO CLARIFY SOME OF THAT. THE LDC AMENDMENT CAN WAIT UNTIL THE COMP PLAN IS IMPLEMENTED. AGAIN, I DON'T. I'LL DO WHATEVER COUNCIL A MAJORITY OF YOU WANT ME TO DO. BUT JUST AS A SUGGESTION, IT MAY NOT BE A BAD IDEA TO PAUSE THAT. FOCUS ON WHAT WE JUST DISCUSSED, WHICH IS A HIGH PRIORITY. ALLOW THE COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS TO COME THROUGH, CHANGE THE VERBIAGE AND THEN DECIDE AT THAT POINT WHAT AMENDMENTS NEED TO HAPPEN TO THE LDR WITH THE UNDERSTANDING. UNLESS MR. YOUNG DISAGREES THAT WE WILL WORK TOGETHER WHEN AN APPLICATION COMES IN AND WE WILL PROCESS IT IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR OPINION FROM MAY. AND I JUST THAT'S JUST AND JUST BECAUSE VICE MAYOR HUTCHISON, WORDS MATTER, NOT MAKE CHANGES, CLARIFY, NOT MAKE CHANGES. CLARIFY. COULDN'T AGREE MORE. THANK YOU. WITH THAT THIS ORDINANCE TO BE PAUSED, PAUSED, OR NULL AND VOID BECAUSE THERE ARE THERE ARE CONCERNS ON BOTH SIDES. I WOULD SAY IT IS NULL AND VOID. THERE IS NO ORDINANCE AT THIS POINT. FIRST READING AND IT'S PASSED. OKAY, WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. SCHOLZ. I'VE LOST TRACK OF WHAT ORDINANCE WE'RE ON HERE. A LOT OF THINGS FLYING AROUND HERE, AND IT'S THE ORDINANCE THAT WE USE TO CLARIFY THE SITE PLAN PROCESS THAT KIND OF EVOLVED. AND THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK BY OUR CITY ATTORNEYS AND MANY AND A LOT OF EFFORT. AND I'M JUST TRYING TO I MEAN, NO OFFENSE TO MR. MCCONNELL, BUT YOU KNOW, LEGALLY WE NEED TO WATCH OUR BUDGET. THAT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY. AND WE CAN'T KEEP SPENDING MONEY ON AN ORDINANCE OR LEGISLATION THAT WE ARE NOT EVERYBODY CAN AGREE ON. SO I AGREE WITH THAT. THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN, AND. GOOD. SO THE TERMINOLOGY IS THAT ORDINANCE IS NO LONGER IN PLAY. IT HAS BEEN DROPPED AND WE WILL MOVE FORWARD IN IN CLARIFYING SOME OF THE SITE PLAN LANGUAGE AND THAT WILL BE DONE IN TRANSPARENCY THROUGH THE COMP PLAN. ANY OTHER ANY. MR. YUNG ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT? SO I MAKE SURE WE'RE CLEAR ON WHAT WE JUST DECIDED. AS MR. MCCONNELL SAID, I WILL ADHERE TO THE OPINION OF THE LETTER AND THE PROCESS ACCORDINGLY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCIL, FOR INDULGING ME ON THAT. I JUST. WE DO TEND TO LEAVE THINGS OUT THERE AND I'M GLAD THAT'S RESOLVED. [05:45:05] SO WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES 14 E. AND TAKES US [17) PUBLIC COMMENTS] TO PUBLIC COMMENT. MARIA MAYOR. GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN MARIA. NAPLES 34102. I'D LIKE TO WELCOME THE NEW MEMBERS. VERY NICE TO SEE YOU ALL UP THERE ON THE DAIS. AND THANK YOU FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'RE UNDERTAKING. TWO MATTERS. THE MATTER THAT I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT. I'LL DO THAT IN A MOMENT. BUT I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN UNDER CONSTANT ATTACK NOW FOR MANY YEARS WITH SB 180, SB 250, HB 405. IT SEEMS TO BE NEVER ENDING FOR YOU. ON THINGS AND IT'S GOOD TO HEAR AND HEARTENING THAT YOU ARE ALL TRYING TO GET TOGETHER ON THIS AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. COUNCILMAN BLANKENSHIP'S EMAIL THAT SENT OUT LETTING RESIDENTS KNOW WAS VERY, VERY MUCH APPRECIATED BECAUSE I DO FEEL RESIDENTS DON'T KNOW. AND COUNCILMAN CROW MENTIONED ABOUT LETTING RESIDENTS KNOW MORE ABOUT IT. I DO THINK THERE IS AN EDUCATION ISSUE HERE BECAUSE THEY DON'T IN. MANY PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS OF WHAT THIS ACTUAL BILL AMOUNTS TO, BASICALLY. AND I DO THINK A DELEGATION WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA, BECAUSE I DO KNOW, MYSELF INCLUDED, THAT HUNDREDS OF LETTERS HAVE BEEN SENT. TO PASS IT OVER AND OTHER PEOPLE AND TO NO AVAIL YET AGAIN. SO YES, I DO THINK MAYBE YOU DO NEED TO DO THAT DELEGATION AND I HOPE THAT DOES HAPPEN. BUT THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO COMMENT ON WAS WHAT HAPPENED ON MONDAY WITH THE INTERVIEWS I HAVE IN ALL OF THE YEARS I HAVE SEEN INTERVIEWS DONE AND I'VE WATCHED INTERVIEWS AND ATTENDED INTERVIEWS MYSELF. I'VE NEVER SEEN A CANDIDATE WHO WAS ATTACKED IN SUCH A BELLIGERENT AND FRANKLY AWFUL WAY. I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT. I THINK THAT THE THINGS THAT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT PARTIZAN ROLES AND, AND WHAT VOTING PARTY YOU ARE, ETC., WAS TOTALLY OUT OF ORDER IN RELATION TO AN INTERVIEW FOR A VOLUNTEER BOARD ROLE. WE HAVE OVER 17 BOARDS AND COMMITTEES HERE IN NAPLES. WE REALLY DO DEPEND ON VOLUNTEERS COMING FORWARD, AND SOMETIMES WE STRUGGLE TO GET A QUORUM. AND HERE WE ARE, PERHAPS DISCOURAGING PEOPLE TO COME FORWARD. I'VE NEVER SEEN THAT IT WAS NOT RELEVANT TO ANYBODY APPLYING FOR THAT POSITION OR ANY OTHER POSITION, AND IT CAUSES CONCERN FOR ANY FAIR AND REASONABLE ABILITY TO MAKE A SOUND DECISION IN THE SELECTION PROCESS. AND THE LARGER CONCERN IS THAT COUNCIL MEMBERS WOULD ALLOW THIS CONDUCT TO PERHAPS CONTINUE OR HAPPEN AGAIN. AND THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN KRAMER, FOR SPEAKING TO THE CANDIDATE DURING THAT PARTICULAR INTERVIEW. THE CANDIDATE WAS CANDIDATE WASN'T AT FAULT, AND I HOPE THERE WILL NOT BE ANY CONSEQUENCES AND ANY BIASNESS TOWARDS ANY VOTING THAT YOU DO ON THE ROLES THAT'S COMING FORWARD. IT WAS VERY, VERY SAD. IT WAS ALSO SAD FOR IT TO BE MENTIONED THAT BEING A MEMBER OF THE OLD NAPLES ASSOCIATION COULD BE IN ANY WAY DETRIMENTAL TO PEOPLE COMING FORWARD TO BOARD POSITIONS. HOW BAD IS THAT? I NEVER KNEW THAT BEING ON THE OLD NAPLES BOARD ASSOCIATION WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO ME. I'M ON ONE BOARD AND ONE COMMITTEE. I FIND THAT AWFUL. MEMBERS ON THE OLD NEIGHBORS ASSOCIATION ARE NOT JUST FROM RIGHT WITHIN OLD NAPLES. THEY ARE ON A. ON A WIDER. I DON'T LIVE IN OLD NAPLES NOW, BUT I'M STILL VERY MUCH BEING A MEMBER OF OLD NAPLES ASSOCIATION. IT SHOULD NOT BE USED AGAINST THEM. THE PEOPLE OF NAPLES ARE PASSIONATE, EDUCATED, AND THAT'S WHY THEY COME FORWARD MORE OFTEN TO SPEAK, AND WHY THEY APPLY FOR BOARDS. THEY ARE WILLING TO PUT THEIR TIME AND EFFORT TO WHAT'S NEEDED TO BE DONE, AND THAT SHOULD BE CONGRATULATED. IT SHOULD NEVER BE A NEGATIVE. I WAS REALLY DISAPPOINTED IN THAT. THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING UP. IT SHOULDN'T HAPPEN AGAIN. I HOPE THAT SOMEBODY DOES MAKE SURE THAT THAT NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. BEFORE YOU WALK AWAY I DON'T IS IT OKAY THAT I MENTION YOUR YES. I WAS NEVER, EVER GOING TO COME BACK TO CITY, AS YOU KNOW, TO SPEAK. AND THIS IS MY VERY LAST OCCASION THAT I WILL SPEAK BECAUSE I WON'T BE HERE SHORTLY. I'LL BE, I'LL BE GONE. BUT I FELT SO PASSIONATE ABOUT WHAT'S STILL HAPPENING IN NAPLES. I LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU SAY I'M NEVER COMING BACK. AND YOUR PASSION AND YOUR HEART KEEPS YOU COMING BACK. YOU ALONG WITH MANY OTHERS, ARE AN INCREDIBLE EXAMPLE OF THE COMMITMENT TO THIS COMMUNITY. I HAVE WATCHED YOU COME UP WHEN YOU DIDN'T THINK YOU WERE GOING TO AND COME IN AT THE LAST MINUTE AND GIVE GOOD ADVICE, NOT POINT YOUR FINGER AND GO, YOU'RE WRONG. AND ALWAYS VERY THOUGHTFUL COMMENTS TO COUNCIL ABOUT ISSUES OF YOUR PASSION AND SOME THAT WEREN'T YOUR PASSION THAT BECAME YOUR PASSION. [05:50:01] I JUST WANT TO TELL YOU NOT JUST MYSELF, BUT MANY OTHERS HAVE RECOGNIZED YOUR DEDICATION AND YOUR TIME AND YOUR EFFORTS TO THE CITY BECAUSE IT'S BEEN TRULY AN AMAZING. AND I MIGHT SAY THAT YOU AND ANDREW MAYOR ARE THE POWER COUPLE, BUT YOU'RE. YOU'RE NOT A POWER COUPLE. POWER WAS NEVER, EVER YOUR CONCERN. IT WAS. YOUR COMMITMENT IS A COMMITTED COUPLE TO SEEING NAPLES B IT'S VERY BEST. AND YOU'RE VERY VOCAL, BUT YOU'VE ALSO BEEN VERY SILENT. YOU'VE HELPED OUT IN SO MANY WAYS IN MAKING OUR COMMUNITY BETTER. I JUST WANT TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU BECAUSE YOUR EFFORTS ARE NOT GOING UNNOTICED. IT'LL BE VERY SAD TO HAVE YOU MOVE ON FROM OUR COMMUNITY, BUT IF THERE'S ONE THING I COULD SAY. THERE SHOULD BE AN ADVOCACY AWARD FOR THE CITIZEN WHO COMES UP AND REALLY MAKES SURE THAT WE PAY ATTENTION TO THE THINGS THAT MAYBE SOMETIMES WE PASS BY. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR PASSION. AND I'LL JUST SAY ON BEHALF OF MYSELF, THE COUNCIL AND THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, YOU TRULY ARE AN INCREDIBLE EXAMPLE OF WHAT IT TAKES FOR THIS COMMUNITY TO BE BETTER AND US TO BE BETTER IN OUR SEATS. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. VERY KIND WORDS. AND I THINK YOU'RE ALL VERY PASSIONATE. AND YOU GIVE FAR MORE HOURS THAN ANYBODY EVER APPRECIATES FOR WHEN YOU SIT ON CITY COUNCIL. I DO KNOW THAT. BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. I WILL MISS YOU, THOUGH. SOMETIMES I FELT LIKE I GOT A GOOD WHIPPING. OKAY. OKAY WITH THAT? ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? [18) COMMUNICATIONS FROM MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, AND STAFF] OKAY, WE'LL GO TO CORRESPONDENCE AND COMMUNICATIONS. WE'LL START WITH COUNCILMEMBER KROL. I'D JUST LIKE TO START TALKING ABOUT MARIA. MARIA SAT NEXT TO ME AT CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD, AND WHENEVER THERE WAS A LULL IN A IN A MOTION OR SHE WOULD BE THE ONE TO JUMP IN AND SHE WOULD BE THE ONE TO. REALLY PUT TREMENDOUS EFFORT AND ANALYSIS AND EVERYTHING. AND SHE WAS A SUPERSTAR ON THAT BOARD AND A GREAT CONTRIBUTOR AND WE'RE GOING TO MISS HER. SO WITH THAT, I CAN CONGRATULATE YOUR NEW NEW FUTURE. I HOPE YOU ENJOY THAT. AND I HOPE YOU DO COME BACK AND VISIT. I LIKED A FEW THINGS TODAY. LET'S TALK A LITTLE ABOUT SOME POSITIVES. I MEAN, THE COMMUNITY AWARDS THING I THOUGHT WAS REALLY NICE. YOU KNOW, ART WITH THE ART. THE ART THING WAS REALLY NICE. I ALSO LIKE THE CONSERVANCY TALKING ABOUT NATURE BASED SOLUTIONS TO ISSUES BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN MOSQUITO CONTROL AND STUFF LIKE THAT RIGHT NOW. WITH THE HEALTH AND SAFETY GROUP AND ALL THAT. SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY A NICE THING. AND I ALSO LIKED DOCTOR JORGE TALKING ABOUT HOT SPOTS AND SOLUTIONS. A SOLUTION DRIVEN USING COMMON SENSE. YOU KNOW, BY LOOKING AT THE HOT SPOTS VERSUS LIKE LISTENING TO ONE ONE PERSON'S OPINION. SO HE'S HE'S PRETTY MUCH AN INDEPENDENT THINKER, WHICH I LIKE ABOUT HIM. AND I THINK WE'RE KIND OF GOING TO HAVE A VERY SUCCESSFUL TERM HERE GETTING STUFF DONE WITH HIM. ON THE OTHER NOTE, YOU KNOW, HB 4005 I DO, I'M NOT GOING INTO ANY DETAILS OF HOW I FEEL. IT'S BAD, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS IS OVERRIDING OUR LOCAL VOTERS. IT'S OVERRIDING OUR ABILITY TO GOVERN. I JUST IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST UPSETTING THINGS I'VE SEEN HIT THIS CITY. AND I HOPE, I HOPE GOVERNOR DESANTIS CAN SAVE US ON THIS THING. DO SOMETHING, DO SOMETHING. RIGHT. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE CANNOT HAVE SPECIAL INTERESTS. RULE OUR CITY. CAN'T HAVE THAT. PERIOD. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. JUST REAL QUICK, THE QUITE A BIT OF BLOWBACK ON THE BARRICADES FROM THE PARADE THE OTHER DAY. OF COURSE, IT'S PROBABLY FALLING ON DEAF EARS BECAUSE I'M GOING TO TELL PEOPLE THAT THEY SHOULD PROBABLY PAY ATTENTION TO OUR MEETINGS BECAUSE WE HAD A VERY LENGTHY CONVERSATION AT OUR LAST CITY COUNCIL MEETING IN REFERENCE TO THE SECURITY AND SAFETY AND THE RATIONALE FOR THE BARRICADES, WHICH NOBODY SEEMED TO KNOW ABOUT BECAUSE THEY WERE BLOWING UP ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND NOW I'M SITTING HERE TELLING THEM TO MAKE SURE YOU WATCH THE MEETINGS AND WATCH, GO BACK, AND THE MEETINGS ARE AVAILABLE. BUT OF COURSE, THEY'RE PROBABLY NOT WATCHING THE MEETING BECAUSE THAT'S IT WAS QUITE APPARENT THEY DIDN'T WATCH THE MEETING. BUT WITH THAT SAID, THE MEETINGS ARE AVAILABLE THERE. WHERE'S THE CAMERA? THE MEETINGS ARE AVAILABLE THERE. THEY'RE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC. YOU GO ONLINE AND YOU HIT A BUTTON AND YOU CAN WATCH ALL OF THE, ALL THE PERTINENT INFORMATION BE BE CONVEYED TO YOU AND YOU CAN GET SOME CONTEXT PRIOR TO MAYBE, BLOWING UP ON ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND PICKING ON ON THOSE OF US UP HERE ON THE DAIS THAT ARE TRYING TO MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. [05:55:08] SO I'LL GET OFF MY SOAPBOX AND MOVE ON. NO, I, IF I COULD JUST TAG ON BECAUSE IT WAS ONE OF MY ITEMS TO RECAP THE PARADE MAKING DECISIONS. WHEN WE'RE, WHEN WE HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE TAKE SERIOUSLY THE THREAT OF DANGER, BUT THE SOCIAL MEDIA POST AND OF COURSE, THE, THE COMMENTS I HEARD FROM NUMEROUS PEOPLE OUT THERE, I THINK ARE WORTHY OF CONSIDERATION. AND REMINDED ME OF THE WAYS THAT WE USED TO HANDLE CROWD CONTROL. NOW THOSE BARRIERS THAT BARRIERS. I THINK BARRICADES. OKAY. THAT ARE USED FOR THE PARADES WERE TO KEEP THE CHILDREN FROM RUNNING INTO THE STREET OR KEEP THE CROWDS FROM GOING OFF OF THE SIDEWALK AND INTO THE STREETS. SO THAT WAS A SAFETY ISSUE, BUT IT WASN'T A THREAT OF A SECURITY THREAT. SO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF MY POINT. IF SOMEBODY WERE TO WATCH OUR MEETING, THEY WOULD HAVE SEEN A SEPARATION BETWEEN BARRICADES THAT ARE THERE TO PROTECT THE, THE, THE PARADE ROUTE FROM, FROM PEOPLE MIGRATING INTO THE PARADE ROUTE AND CHILDREN DARTING INTO THE PARADE ROUTE. AND THEN THEY WOULD ALSO SEE THAT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TYPES OF BARRICADES AND THE TYPES OF BARRICADES THAT ARE THERE TO STOP VEHICLES FROM RUNNING DOWN A PARADE ROUTE, WHICH WE ALSO HAVE IN PLACE, BY THE WAY. BUT IF THEY HAD WATCHED OUR MEETING, THEY WOULD REALIZE THAT WE HAD TWO DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS. ONE WAS THE BARRICADES THAT DO NOT STOP VEHICLES, BUT THEY STOP PEOPLE. AND THEY WOULD HAVE SEEN PICTURES FROM PRIOR PARADES, BY THE WAY, NOT PRIOR PARADES IN BOSTON, PRIOR PARADES IN THE CITY OF NAPLES, WHERE WE'VE GOT THE BANDS CAN'T EVEN MARCH DOWN THE STREET IN THEIR, IN THEIR, IN THEIR UNIFORM. AND THEY'RE IN THEIR FOUR ABREAST STRUCTURE BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO GO INTO SINGLE FILE BECAUSE THE PEOPLE HAVE MIGRATED INTO THE, INTO THE STREET AND INTO THE PARADE ROUTE. SO MY POINT IS WE'RE GETTING BLOWBACK FROM, FROM THE COMMUNITY. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THE THAT THE BARRICADES THERE TO STOP THE CHILDREN ARE NOT THE SAME AS THE BARRICADES THERE TO STOP THE VEHICLES. AND IF THEY WOULD, IF THEY WOULD DO A LITTLE BIT OF HOMEWORK, THEY WOULD GET THE CONTEXT NECESSARY TO MAKE AN INFORMED STATEMENT. THEY'RE ALLOWED TO NOT AGREE WITH ME AND AGREE WITH MY DECISION TO TO HELP TO, TO WHAT I FELT WAS IN THE RIGHT, THE BEST INTEREST OF THE CITY, ALONG WITH THE MAJORITY OF THOSE THAT ARE SITTING UP HERE WITH ME. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS THEY WOULD AT LEAST HAVE AN INFORMED DECISION. I'M AN INFORMED STATEMENT BASED ON ON THE MATERIAL INFORMATION THAT WE PROVIDED AND THAT OUR SECURITY EXPERTS TOLD US WE SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO. THAT IS MY POINT. THEY'RE ALLOWED TO NOT AGREE, AND WE CAN HAVE AN OPEN DIALOG. BUT IT BECOMES FRUSTRATING WHEN WHEN WE SIT UP HERE FOR EIGHT HOURS AND WE HAVE A TWO HOUR CONVERSATION IN REFERENCE TO SECURITY ON ON SPECIAL EVENTS, AND THEN WE GET LAMBASTED ON FROM, FROM THE PUBLIC BASED ON UNINFORMED DECISIONS, BASED ON UNINFORMED POSITIONS. AND THAT FRUSTRATES THE HECK OUT OF ME. IN CASE YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO TELL. SO IT FIRED ME UP AND IT IT TICKS ME OFF. SO MY SOLE PURPOSE HERE IS JUST TO LET THEM KNOW THAT THAT THESE ARE NOT ONE AND DONE THERE. WE'VE GOT CAMERAS ON US FOR, FOR NINE HOURS FOR A REASON. THEY WANT TO GO BACK AND SEE WHERE OUR DECISIONS CAME FROM. PRIOR TO THROWING OUT SOME TYPE OF STATEMENT. I WOULD SUGGEST THEY DO THAT. THEY LOOK A LOT SMARTER IN DOING SO. SO I LOVE IT WHEN YOU GET SOME PASSION THERE. I WOULD SAY THAT I LOOKED AT IT FROM A DIFFERENT POINT OF VIEW. YES, IT WAS HARD HEARING THE CRITICISM, BUT IN THAT CRITICISM, I ALSO HEARD OF POSSIBILITIES AND OPTIONS THAT I WOULD HOPE THAT JUST BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HEAR OUR MEETING, I DON'T WANT TO VACILLATE, MAKE DECISIONS AND COME BACK AND SAY YES AND THEN NO. MR. YOUNG HAS HAD TO DEAL WITH THAT. I THINK WE SHOULD MAKE DECISIONS AND STICK WITH THEM. BUT SOMETIMES THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES FOR US TO LOOK AT IT. AND I THOUGHT THERE WERE TWO GREAT SUGGESTIONS BY ONE OF THE CRITICS WHICH WAS WHAT HAPPENED TO AMBASSADORS AND WHAT HAPPENED TO THOSE YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT WILL WALK THE LINE. I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TALK ANY KIND OF A DEBRIEF WITH CHIEF ABOUT THIS. HE'S A MAN WHO TAKES ADVICE AND HE'S VERY, YOU KNOW, DECISIVE AND HE KNOWS WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO TO PROTECT THE CITY. [06:00:05] AND I'M NOT COMING AGAINST THAT AT ALL. I JUST THINK THAT THE OPTIONS THAT WERE GIVEN THAT SOMEONE WOULD WALK THE PARADE ROUTE MAKING SURE THAT NO ONE WENT PAST A LINE A COULD SAVE US MONEY. AND B COULD BE A POSSIBLE SAFETY RESOLVE IN THAT I'M NOT SAYING WE STILL DON'T NEED BARRIERS, BUT THERE WERE BARRIERS ALONG THE WHOLE ROUTE. AND SOME IN AREAS WHERE PEOPLE WEREN'T EVEN THERE. SO I WASN'T QUITE AS FRUSTRATED. I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY AND ON BEHALF OF THE RECOMMENDATION OF, OF OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SPECIAL EVENTS COORDINATORS. I WILL SAY I'M ALL EARS AND HAPPY TO TAKE SUGGESTIONS THAT WILL GIVE US THE RESULTS THAT WE WANT. IF THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN BARRICADES, LET ME KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD DO. I'LL JUST JUMP ALL OVER IT. I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP. I DON'T THINK WE CAN RESOLVE IT NOW, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT IF WE COULD HAVE SOME TYPE OF DIALOG ABOUT MR. YOUNG. WELL, ULTIMATELY, BASED ON THE CONSENSUS VOTES THAT DAY, WE'LL BE BRINGING BACK THE THE ARCHERS ON APRIL 15TH, I BELIEVE. AND MY INTENT IS IF I CAN GET THE PRICES AND EVERYTHING IS TO BRING BACK THE BARRIER DISCUSSION AT THE SAME TIME. SO AND WITHIN THE CITY MANAGER'S CAPACITY, I DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO BUY THEM REGARDLESS. SO IT'LL BE BACK BEFORE YOU AND CAN CONTINUE THAT DISCUSSION ON THAT ITEM. AND I'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T PUT THEM ON AS A CONSENT ITEM REGARDLESS, BECAUSE I TRY TO DO A GOOD JOB OF, OF LIMITING WHAT GETS PULLED AND BE PREPARED FOR DISCUSSION IN ADDITION TO THE RESOLUTIONS AND AWARDS. WELL, I GUESS AT THIS POINT I'LL ENFORCE WHAT I WAS SAYING. THAT WE DO HAVE SOME TYPE OF A CONVERSATION ABOUT A FOLLOW UP TO POSSIBILITIES TO WHAT THE PUBLIC HAS HAS DISPLAYED AND EXPRESSED A CONCERN. DO YOU WANT? SO IT WASN'T AN AGENDA ITEM. SO LET ME TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. DO YOU WANT ME TO MOVE THE ARCHERS TO AN TO A COUNCIL MEETING SO WE CAN TAKE ACTION ON THE ARCHERS, WHICH IS THE BLOCKING OF THE ROADS? IF YOU DO, THEN I WOULD GET THAT PREPARED FOR THE 15TH. IF YOU WANT TO HAVE THE BARRIER DISCUSSION REVISITED, THEN I CAN BRING THAT TO YOU ON APRIL 13TH FOR FOLLOW UP DISCUSSION. OTHERWISE, BASED ON YOUR PRIOR DIRECTIVE, I WOULD CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH BOTH, SO I'M. PLEASE PROVIDE ME WITH WHATEVER DIRECTION IF I'M MISINTERPRETING WHAT'S. WELL, THERE ARE TWO ISSUES WITH THE BARRIERS. ONE IS FOR PARADES AND THEN ONE WAS FOR SOME OTHER SPECIAL EVENTS AROUND TOWN THAT THAT MIGHT NEED BARRIERS AND NEED A POLICY. SO IT'S CONSISTENT TO ALL SPECIAL EVENTS. YEAH. BUT RESPECTFULLY ON THE BARRIER PART, THE REASON I WANT TO, I WANT TO EITHER MOVE FORWARD OR NOT IS WE DO HAVE A JULY 4TH PARADE, AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEND $40,000 TO RENT THEM AGAIN, AT THE EXPENSE OF SPENDING A QUARTER OF A MILLION LATER JUST TO. AND THE QUANTITIES ARE MUCH DIFFERENT IF YOU'RE NOT LINING THE PARADE ROUTE. WE NEED SOME REGARDLESS, BUT I'M TRYING TO. AND WHEN YOU PURCHASE IN QUANTITIES, IT'S BETTER TO DO WHAT YOU NEED IN ONE. SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I'M ASKING TO. WE EITHER MOVE FORWARD OR WE WORKSHOP IT AGAIN AS SOON AS APRIL. APRIL 13TH TO GET A DEFINITIVE. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I WANT TO MOVE IT UP. OR MAYBE IT'S JUST GETTING A CONSENSUS THAT. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD ASK OUR SPECIAL EVENTS AND OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, NOT THE ARCHERS. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE ARCHERS. ARCHERS ARE A VEHICLE SAFETY SECURITY ISSUE, BUT THE BARRICADES. I, AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE I WOULD HAVE RATHER HAVE RESPECTFULLY TALKED TO THOSE THAT WERE DOING SPECIAL EVENTS BEFORE I HAD A CHANCE TO BE HERE. BUT I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE I WAS GOING TO BRING IT UP AND WE DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO ADDRESS IT. SO AS LESS ANYONE'S CHANGED THEIR MIND, ARCHER IS MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE THEY ARE FOR SECURITY. OKAY, SO THAT'S CLEAR. BARRIERS. IF THERE'S ANY WAY THAT WE COULD HAVE A CONVERSATION I'M. WE'RE ONLY TWO PEOPLE. IF I CAN GET A CONSENSUS THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK AT. AS TO THE REAL DETAILS OF WHAT THOSE BARRIERS ARE FOR AND LOCATIONS DO YOU HAVE. I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE FRENCH BARRIER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PARADE BARRIERS OR THE BOLLARDS, THE BARRICADE, FRENCH BARRICADES. YEAH. OKAY. BECAUSE THE [06:05:02] BOWLERS ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE THE LEAD TIME TO GET THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING IT NOW. BE READY FOR NEXT SEASON. THAT'S A SAFETY SECURITY. YEAH. IT'S A SAFETY SECURITY ISSUE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. VICE MAYOR, I JUST I HAVEN'T HAD THE BENEFIT OF THE MEETING WITH THE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON THOSE FRENCH BARRICADES YET. I THINK IT'S SET UP FOR NEXT WEEK. I THINK SO BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND THEIR RATIONALE FOR THEM. I'D LIKE TO. BUT IF WE IF WE MOVE THIS IF WE TABLE THAT DISCUSSION ON THE ON THE FRENCH BARRICADES AGAIN, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT THAT LINE THE PARADE ROUTE TO. WOULD YOU SAY APRIL 13TH WITH THAT? AND IF WE ULTIMATELY ON THAT DAY DECIDED THAT WE YES, WE DID WANT THE CITY TO PROCEED WITH PURCHASING OUR OWN. WOULD THAT STILL GIVE YOU TIME TO DO THAT FOR THE JULY 4TH PARADE? YEAH, I MEAN, I'LL MOVE AS FAST AS I CAN. YOU THINK SO? YOU'RE NOT SURE? YOU'RE NOT SURE? BUT YOU THINK I'M NOT? I'M NOT SURE. BUT BUT IN FAIRNESS, IN FAIRNESS, WHETHER WE PLANNED ON A RESOLUTION OR A, A THE WORKSHOP, YOU STILL HAVE ANOTHER COUNCIL MEETING ON APRIL 1ST. SO IF EVERYONE CAN HAVE THEIR MEETINGS WITH THIS, THE, THE POLICE CHIEF AND THE RESPECTIVE PEOPLE THERE, WHEN WE MEET ON APRIL 1ST, WE'LL MAKE THE DECISION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT I'LL BRING IT UP UNDER COMMUNICATIONS, WHETHER YOU WANT IT TO GO ON THE WORKSHOP OR YOU WANT ME TO MOVE IT FORWARD, AND I'LL KEEP WORKING DILIGENTLY BECAUSE IN ONE, ONE CAPACITY OR ANOTHER, WE'RE GOING TO BUY SOME. I JUST DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THE QUANTITY OPEN AND THEN TURN AROUND AND NOT AND NOT HAVE IT LEAVE ENOUGH TIME. SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY FOR FOR YOU TO HAVE YOUR INDIVIDUAL MEETINGS COME TOGETHER ON THE FIRST, AND THEN WE'LL DECIDE WHAT MEETING THAT WORKS FOR ME. I LIKE THAT PLAN. OKAY. SEE? OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? COUNCILMAN BARTON. NO. I'M COMPLETE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN KRAMER. WE HAD ALL FOUR DAUGHTERS AGED 32 TO 16 AND SIX GRANDKIDS AT THAT PARADE. AND IF YOU THINK SOMEBODY WALKING BY IS GOING TO KEEP JOHN TITUS OR I MEAN, THEY'RE THROWING CANDY ON THE GROUND LIKE THEY ARE NOT. SO WHAT'S FUNNY IS, AND WE WERE HOUSE DIVIDED, MY DAUGHTER'S, I THINK THE TWO THAT DON'T HAVE CHILDREN DIDN'T LIKE THE BARRICADES. THE ONES WITH CHILDREN THOUGHT THEY WERE EMINENTLY IMPORTANT. SO FOR WHATEVER THAT'S WORTH I JUST HAVE TWO QUICK THINGS. AND THIS IS JUST FOR THINKING AHEAD. IF WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT USING SCHOOLS FOR FACILITIES FOR PICKLEBALL COURTS, ETC. LIKE WE DID. WE USED TO HAVE WITH NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL, THE OUR CHANGING LANDSCAPE OF SECURITY. YOU KNOW, AFTER PARKLAND SHOOTING, WE HAD ABOUT 400 NEW LAWS. THIS PACKAGE, THIS BOOKLET OF LAWS THAT IF PRINCIPALS DID NOT ENACT THEM, THE PRINCIPALS WERE COULD ACTUALLY GO TO JAIL, NOT JUST LOSE THEIR JOB. AND SO, AND I, I GO, I'M IN SCHOOLS ALL THE TIME, ESPECIALLY WITH FCA. AND IF ANY OF YOU HAVE TRIED TO GET INTO SCHOOL LATELY, THE SECURITY, IT'S DISCOURAGING. IT'S HEARTBREAKING. IT'S HEAVY. AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT ENVIRONMENT NOW TO SHARE THOSE UNLESS WE'RE GOING TO SAY THAT WHENEVER THE SCHOOLS ARE OPEN OR HAVING ANY KIND OF EVENT THAT OUR CITIZENS CAN'T USE THEM. NOW, THERE MAY BE A WAY AROUND THAT WHERE IT WOULD BE, I DON'T KNOW THE WAY AROUND IT. I'M SURE YOU CAN SOLVE THE PROBLEM. I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE THAT IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, IS HOW WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THAT WORK FOR FOR SEAGATE AND FOR THE SCHOOL TO FUNCTION AND HAVE SECURITY. THAT'S ALL. I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT COMMENT. AND I THINK IN THE PARK'S MASTER PLAN, THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE THERE ARE DEFINITELY CAN'T BE IN SOME, BUT IT COULD BE IN. YEAH, I'M ALL FOR IT. I AM ALL FOR IT. I'M JUST PRACTICAL. APPLICATION SOMETIMES IS DIFFICULT, I GET IT. YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I ALSO WANT TO REMIND YOU I WAS GOING TO BRING THIS UP AS WELL, SO. THANK YOU. BECAUSE OF THE DIALOG, I DIDN'T WANT TO MUDDY UP THAT OTHER ONE, BUT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT BEING IN THE COMP PLAN WHEN IT WENT BEFORE THE PAB, THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR QUESTIONS. SO IT IS RIGHT NOW, IT'S SLATED TO COME BEFORE YOU ENCOURAGING THAT INNER LOCAL GOVERNMENT ASPECT AND GAINING ADVANTAGES OF IT, PROVIDING INCREASED RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES THROUGH SCHOOLS. BUT I'LL SAY THE SAME THING AS COACH BASICALLY JUST SAID, THAT HAS TO HAVE AN EQUAL PARTNER AND ABILITY AND WILLINGNESS TO DO IT. SO IT'S ASPIRATIONAL IN SOME REGARDS, AND YOU SHOULD KEEP IT IN THE COMP PLAN IN CASE YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT AND ENCOURAGE IT, BUT I THINK THOSE OPPORTUNITIES WILL BE LIMITED. AND I EXPRESS THAT TO THE PAB. WHEN I WAS BEFORE THEM ON THE COMP PLAN THE OTHER DAY, I AGREED. I KNOW OF ONE COACH THIS YEAR THAT WAS LET GO BECAUSE HE BECAUSE DOORS THAT HE THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLOSED WEREN'T CLOSED. AND HE'S LIKE, I DIDN'T KNOW, LIKE SOME KIDS DO WHATEVER THEY DO. BUT THAT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, BUDDY. SEE YOU. SO THAT'S, THAT'S JUST THE WORLD WE LIVE IN. CDC REPORT FOR JANUARY PLUS [06:10:04] 7.3% MORE VISITORS. SO IF YOU THOUGHT YEAR ON YEAR. SO IF YOU THOUGHT WE WERE BUSY IN JANUARY. YES. AND OF COURSE, THE WEATHER AS COLD AS WE THOUGHT IT WAS HERE, THE WEATHER NORTH OF US WAS REALLY INTERESTING. AND THEN AN INCREASE OF 13.4% VISITOR DAYS. SO THAT IS A DEPARTURE FROM WHAT WE'VE HAD, WHERE WE'VE BEEN GOING DOWN EACH MONTH FOR A WHILE NOW. IT'S BUMPED BACK UP. DIRECT SPENDING WAS UP 9.8%. THAT'S A BIG DEAL FOR OUR ECONOMY. AND FOR OUR RESTAURANTS AND ALL OF OUR, ALL OF THE BUSINESSES IN THE CITY OF NAPLES. SO I, I THINK THAT'S GOOD NEWS, YOU KNOW AS IT WAS TRENDING I DON'T THINK WE WANT THAT TO HAPPEN EVERY MONTH. BUT THAT'S GOOD NEWS FOR OUR, OUR BUSINESSES AND THAT'S ALL. THANKS. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ, NOTHING TO ADD. YOU SIT IN THESE SEATS. IT GETS HOT SOMETIMES. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN PENMAN, I JUST WANT TO GIVE NAPLES, FLORIDA A BIG SHOUT OUT HERE WE HAVE HAD AND IT'S NOT SURPRISING, BUT WE HAVE HAD SOME GREAT LEADERSHIP FROM OUR CITIZENS ON A VERY, VERY DIFFICULT ISSUE THAT IS FACING THE CITY AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME, AND I WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT TEAM FOR ALL OF THEIR EFFORTS AND THE GREAT ALL THE GREAT INFORMATION THAT YOU PUT TOGETHER FOR US. WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE YOU AND I WISH YOU LUCK ON THIS TRIP. I HOPE IT GOES OUR DIRECTION. THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. I MEAN, VICE MAYOR. THANKS. YES. I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT CITIZENS ARE DOING TO SHARE INFORMATION WITH US, DOING RESEARCH, LEGAL ANALYSIS. IT'S VERY MUCH APPRECIATED. ALSO REFLECTING ON THE GREAT LEADERS WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST, IT WAS WONDERFUL TO SEE THIS ALL STAR CAST THIS MORNING OF THE PREVIOUS SAMDOE AWARD WINNERS AND HOW MUCH TIME THEY'VE GIVEN THE CITY. WE HAVE BIG SHOES TO FILL WITH THINGS THAT THEY'VE DONE FOR US. AND I I'D LIKE TO THANK THE RESIDENTS WHO'VE SENT US THEIR FEELINGS AND OPINIONS ABOUT HB 405. IF THEY HAVEN'T ALREADY DONE SO, I ENCOURAGE THEM TO SHARE THOSE OPINIONS WITH THE GOVERNOR AND HIS TEAM TO HELP BUILD OUR CASE. THANKS. THANK YOU. COUNCIL, WE ARE UNDER IRRIGATION RESTRICTIONS. AND MY HUSBAND ARGUED WITH ME THAT HE DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT. I SAID, WELL, I'M INFORMING YOU, WE ARE IN IRRIGATION RESTRICTIONS. I THINK WE'VE DONE A NICE JOB OF SITTING IT OUT TO THE SOCIAL MEDIA PIECE. AGAIN, HE SAID, WELL, IT DIDN'T COME IN MY WATER BILL, SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN. I KNOW WE HAVE A POLICY THAT WE DON'T PUT THINGS IN OUR WATER BILLS, BUT EVEN AT THAT IT IT'S A QUARTERLY. YES. WE GO AHEAD, MR. YOUNG. WELL, THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH THE WATER BILL IS BY THE TIME IT'S A BILL EVERY TWO MONTHS AND IT CYCLES THROUGH, IT WOULD TAKE THREE AND A HALF MONTHS FOR IT TO GET THROUGH THAT IF THERE'S A WATERING BAN. SO BY THE TIME IT'S DONE, WE PRAY IT RAINS. AND SO THAT ISN'T A SOLUTION TO A WATER BAN. IT CAN AGAIN, THERE ARE TIMES THAT MESSAGES CAN BE APPROVED. THEY'RE VERY LIMITED IN SCOPE. AND YOU RUN. YOU CAN ABUSE THAT. BUT I WOULD SAY THAT THE WATER BAN ISN'T ISN'T ONE THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY UTILIZE THAT FOR. SO I WILL TAKE THIS TIME AND OPPORTUNITY TO ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS TO SIGN UP ON THE WEBSITE, SIGN UP FOR THE NEWSLETTERS. YOU CAN PICK AS MANY AS YOU WANT, AS LIMITED AS YOU WANT, BUT WE ARE REALLY FOCUSED IN ON COMMUNICATIONS AND THAT'S OUR WAY OF GETTING TO YOU. SO I ENCOURAGE YOU AND THE HOA HOSE TO PLEASE REGISTER FOR COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE CITY, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THOSE TO GO UNHEARD, AND WE WANT TO INFORM YOU OF ISSUES SUCH AS WATER RESTRICTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG. MR. MCCONNELL, WE DISCUSSED PRIVATE CLUBS AND I HERE'S ANOTHER INCOMPLETE. DID WE DECIDE WHETHER WE WERE COMING BACK TO DISCUSS LANGUAGE ON PRIVATE CLUBS AND PARKING OR IF YOU DON'T REMEMBER, I WILL JUST SAY YOU MENTIONED IT. [06:15:01] I WOULD HAVE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT IT YESTERDAY, BUT IT CAME UP TODAY ABOUT PRIVATE CLUBS. SO WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING IN THERE ABOUT PRIVATE CLUBS AND IT WAS A CONCERN OF THE COUNCIL THAT WE HAVE SOME PROTECTION MECHANISMS OF UNDERSTANDING WHETHER WE'RE APPROVING OR NOT A PRIVATE CLUB. I DON'T I REMEMBER THE CONVERSATION BECAUSE IT DEALT WITH ONE SPECIFIC PROPERTY. BUT I KNOW COUNCIL LIKE I SAID, I REWATCHED THE REST OF THE MEETING I MISSED MONDAY. I KNOW THERE WAS A VERY LENGTHY DISCUSSION ON COUNCIL PRIORITIES, AND I THINK THERE ARE THINGS THAT ARE BEING PRESENTED BACK TO YOU. SO I CAN I CAN WORK WITH MR. YOUNG TO PRESENT THAT BACK TO COUNCIL AS YOU GUYS ARE IDENTIFYING PRIORITIES. THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM. OKAY. SINCE WE'RE WITH YOU, DO YOU HAVE CORRESPONDENCE? COMMUNICATION? NOTHING TODAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NOTHING TODAY. MAYOR. OKAY WITH THAT? THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION AND YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT OF THE CITY. AND WITH THAT THANK STAFF FOR ALL THAT THEY DO. AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.