Mar 16, 2026 City Council Workshop

[1) CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL]

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GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO THE CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP THIS BEAUTIFUL.

MARCH 16TH, 2026. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE DO THE ROLL CALL.

COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER KROL HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN HERE.

COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ PRESENT. VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP HERE.

MAYOR HEITMANN HERE. AND TODAY, IF YOU'LL STAND AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE.

AND WE'LL TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE AFTER THE PLEDGE TO HONOR TOM MCCANN, WHO IS A FORMER MEMBER WHO PASSED AWAY.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

IT WILL REMAIN STANDING AND TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE IN MEMORY OF MR. MCCANN.

THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, MR. YOUNG. GOOD

[3) SET AGENDA (add or remove items)]

NO CHANGES MA'AM. OKAY. COUNCIL. ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA? DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED.

SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN AND A SECOND BY VICE MAYOR.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNED BY I. OPPOSED? THANK YOU.

PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE ARE COMMENTS SLIPS AT THE BACK OF THE ROOM THAT CAN BE FILLED OUT AND GIVEN TO THE CLERK. AND WITH THAT, DO WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT? I HAVE NONE, I HAVE NONE. WITH THAT, WE WILL GO TO BOARDS AND COMMITTEES.

[5.A) Interview with Applicants for Various Boards and Committees.]

I'D LIKE TO START OFF WITH THE AUDITOR SELECTION COMMITTEE.

WE HAVE TWO APPLICANTS I'D LIKE TO CALL UP FIRST, DANIEL BARONE.

GOOD MORNING, MR. BARONE. MORNING. JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND.

DANIEL BARONE, RESIDENT OF NAPLES ON SUN TERRACE.

ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH US ABOUT WHY THIS PARTICULAR, COMMITTEE? SURE. SO I'M ON THE AUDIT COMMITTEE FOR COLLIER COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

I'VE BEEN ON THAT FOR JUST ABOUT TWO YEARS. SO I'VE GOT SOME EXPERIENCE AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, PUBLIC GOVERNMENTAL AUDITS. AS FAR AS REVIEWING WHAT THE AUDITORS PRESENT TO THAT COMMITTEE.

AND WE ALSO ACTUALLY WENT THROUGH A SELECTION PROCESS LAST YEAR.

SO I'M ALSO PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH HOW THAT WORKS.

I WOULD IMAGINE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MULTIPLE BIDS FOR YOUR AUDIT.

AND I WOULD IMAGINE TOO, THAT A LOT OF THE BIDS THAT WE SAW FROM THAT ORGANIZATION, THEY'RE GOING TO BE PROBABLY THE SAME COMPANIES COMING THROUGH.

SO I HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF EXPERIENCE IN SEEING HOW THEY PRESENT.

AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, HOW THAT RELATES TO, YOU KNOW, GOVERNMENTAL ACCOUNTING AND RESPECTS TO THAT.

THANK YOU. WHEN YOU'RE ON THE AUDIT COMMITTEE AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

WHAT IS IT THAT SPECIFICALLY YOU'RE REVIEWING OR LOOKING FOR? SURE. SO I THINK COLLIER COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS ACTUALLY DOES A GREAT JOB WITH THAT BECAUSE WE NOT ONLY WENT THROUGH THE SELECTION PROCESS, BUT WE ACTUALLY ALSO GO THROUGH WE HAVE QUARTERLY MEETINGS AND WE GO THROUGH SEEING WHAT THE AUDITORS ARE PRESENTING AND WHAT THEY'RE FINDING THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE YEAR. SO I WOULD IMAGINE THAT THE CITY WORKS SIMILARLY IN THAT EVERY FEW YEARS YOU.

THE STATE COMES IN AND DOES YOUR AUDIT AND THEN ALL THE OTHER YEARS YOU'RE DOING THE INTERNAL AUDITS FROM THE AUDITOR.

AND SEEING THAT PROCESS ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH A GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY, SEEING HOW TAXPAYER FUNDS ARE BEING USED YOU KNOW, IT'S VERY EYE OPENING. AND YOU KNOW, WITH MY FINANCIAL AND ACCOUNTING BACKGROUND HAVING THAT KNOWLEDGE OF THE BACK END AND THEN SEEING WHAT THE AUDITORS ARE PRESENTING TO ME IS VERY INFORMATIVE. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MR.. VICE MAYOR.

I'M GLAD YOU'RE INTERESTED IN DOING THIS. I REALLY WAS HAPPY TO SEE THAT YOU APPLIED FOR THIS.

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YOU KNOW HOW THEY'RE HANDLING, YOU KNOW, DIGITAL SECURITY OR I'M JUST KIND OF MAKING UP EXAMPLES OF THINGS THAT THEY'RE DOING ON AN INTERNAL AUDIT PERSPECTIVE.

YOU KNOW, PURCHASING YOU KNOW, THEIR PROCESSES ON HOW THEY HANDLE DIFFERENT PROCESSES.

THAT'S ALL KIND OF THE INTERNAL AUDIT. I DON'T THIS AUDIT SELECTION THOUGH IS PURELY FOR THE FINANCIAL END.

CORRECT? YES. THE INTENT, AS I THINK I HAD ANNOUNCED IN JANUARY BEFORE THE ELECTION THAT WE WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD BE DOING A SEPARATE RFP FOR FORENSIC AND INTERNAL AUDIT. AND THIS ONE IS TO SELECT THE, THE THE AUDIT FIRM THAT WOULD DO THE ANNUAL AUDIT FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD AND AS REQUIRED BY, BY STATE OF FLORIDA, BUT ALSO THAT HAS A TWO YEAR RENEWAL.

NOW, THE INTERESTING THING, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OUR COMMITTEE AND THE SCHOOLS IS THEY DON'T LEAVE THE COMMITTEE.

WE DON'T LEAVE THE COMMITTEE OPEN IN PERPETUITY TO HAVE ANNUAL REVIEWS ON THE OTHER.

YOU CERTAINLY COULD DO THAT UNDER STATE STATUTE.

BUT BUT CERTAINLY THAT'S NOT HOW IT'S BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.

BUT JUST TO DELINEATE BETWEEN THE TWO. SO AND I KNOW I'M A LITTLE BIT ODD IN THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS MY FIELD AND I'M INTERESTED IN IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULD HAVE THE PEOPLE TO FILL THE, THE COMMITTEE, I MEAN, I, I PERSONALLY THINK IT'S A FANTASTIC USE OF RESOURCES AND ESPECIALLY WITH PEOPLE THAT HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE AND BACKGROUND, IT JUST ADDS ANOTHER LAYER OF ANOTHER LAYER OF INPUT BECAUSE USUALLY, AND I KNOW THIS IS THE CASE ON THE SCHOOL BOARD, YOU KNOW, THE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THAT BACKGROUND OR TIME TO REVIEW EVERYTHING.

SO I FIND IT VERY USEFUL. I THINK IT'S A GREAT, A GREAT COMMITTEE.

BUT AGAIN, FINDING PEOPLE WITH A THE TIME AND THE BACKGROUND IN FINANCE THAT THEY'RE INTERESTED IN DOING IT, THAT I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW THAT CAN SOMETIMES BE A CHALLENGE.

YEAH, THANKS. I THINK THAT'S WORTH A FUTURE DISCUSSION FOR COUNCIL ON THE ROLE OF THE COMMITTEE RIGHT NOW, IT'S JUST TO SELECT THE AUDIT FIRM AND WE CAN THINK ABOUT IF WE WANT AN AUDIT COMMITTEE OR NOT.

THANKS. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER AND I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE, BUT I'D LIKE TO JUST WHILE WE HAVE YOU HERE.

SURE. JUST, YOU KNOW, A FEW DETAILS. HOW LARGE IS THE COMMITTEE? HOW OFTEN DO YOU MEET? WE MEET QUARTERLY, AND I BELIEVE THEY'RE EACH MEMBER OF THEIR BOARD SELECTED A REPRESENTATIVE.

SO THAT'S FIVE MEMBERS. AND THEN ONE MEMBER OF THE BOARD ALSO SITS ON THE COMMITTEE.

AND THEN USUALLY AT THE MEETINGS YOU KNOW, OTHER MEMBERS OF THE COUNTY SCHOOL DISTRICT ADMINISTRATION SIT IN ON IT.

OKAY, GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I HAVE KRAMER AND THEN SCHULTZ.

THIS IS JUST FOR THE RECORD FOR FOLKS GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF YOUR BACKGROUND SO THEY KNOW WHAT SURE.

HOW INTERESTED YOU ARE IN THIS. YEAH, SURE. I HAVE A DEGREE IN FINANCE FROM UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA, AN MBA FROM FLORIDA GULF COAST UNIVERSITY.

AND I'M A PARTNER IN A CPA FIRM RIGHT NOW. SO I DEAL, I DEAL MAINLY MYSELF WITH YOU KNOW, KIND OF SMALL BUSINESS ACCOUNTING. BUT I'VE GOT A LOT OF IN NUMBERS ALL DAY LONG.

SO THAT'S MY BACKGROUND. THANKS. YEAH. THANK YOU.

I HAVE SCHULTZ THANK YOU FOR BEING WILLING TO SERVE FOR ANOTHER COMMITTEE.

BEING ON THE PAB WITH YOU. I SAW HOW DILIGENT YOU WERE THERE.

I'M JUST CURIOUS, HOW DID THE TIME LEVELS INVOLVED HERE? YEAH, WELL, HOW WAS THAT GOING TO ROLL WITH YOU? YEAH. THIS IS LIKE GARY SAID THIS IS JUST A SELECTION COMMITTEE.

SO, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S FOUR MEETINGS PROPOSED TOTAL.

SO I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE IT BEING AS A LARGE TIME COMMITMENT, BUT EVEN, YOU KNOW, EVEN GOING OVER TO LIKE THE SCHOOL BOARD AS AN EXAMPLE THAT MEETINGS QUARTERLY, SO IT'S ONE MEETING EVERY, YOU KNOW, THREE, FOUR MONTHS.

AND THE TIME COMMITMENT USUALLY ISN'T IT'S REALLY NOT THAT BAD.

OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. I HAVE NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR APPLYING. AND OF COURSE, YOU HAVE GREAT CREDENTIALS FOR THIS POSITION, SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OUR OTHER APPLICANT FOR THIS COMMITTEE IS JOSEPH MURRAY.

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I AM A RETIRED CPA. I SPENT ABOUT 35 PLUS YEARS MOSTLY AS A PARTNER OF TWO OF THE LARGE ACCOUNTING FIRMS. I AM NOT A GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTING EXPERT AND ALL OF MY EXPERIENCE WAS COMMERCIAL, IF YOU WILL.

BUT I HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE. PROBABLY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THIS, THAT IS, I SPENT MOST OF MY CAREER SOLICITING WORK. SO I WAS MAKING THE PRESENTATIONS, CONVEYING MY QUALIFICATIONS AS AS AN ACCOUNTANT.

SO I ASSUME THIS IS SORT OF ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TABLE, BUT I HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH ACCOUNTING FIRMS AND SO FORTH.

HAVE YOU ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU FOR, FOR APPLYING TO, TO SERVE THE CITY. I SEE THAT YOU'RE A FINRA ARBITRATOR.

YES. I WAS IN THE SECURITIES BUSINESS FOR A LONG TIME AND HAD OPPORTUNITIES TO HAVE SOME FUN WITH FINRA AUDITORS AS WELL.

SO I'M HEARING YOU TOO. WELL. SHOULD I GET A CLOSER THEN DAVID.

ALL RIGHT. HAVING EXPERIENCED FINRA AUDITORS BEFORE IT'S A TREAT.

HOW DO YOU CORRELATE WHAT YOU DO OR DID AS A FINRA AUDITOR VERSUS WHAT YOU THINK THIS MIGHT BE INVOLVED WITH HERE? EXCUSE ME. SO IN FULL DISCLOSURE, I RETIRED THREE YEARS AGO AND I APPLIED FOR THAT, BUT I STILL HAVE NOT BEEN SELECTED TO ARBITRATE ANYTHING UNDER FINRA.

I'M REGISTERED, BUT STILL WAITING FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO ARBITRATE.

DO YOU HOLD ANY LICENSES CURRENTLY? JUST CPA, CPA.

THANK YOU. THANKS FOR REPLYING AND BEING WILLING TO DO THIS.

I WAS ALSO EXCITED TO SEE YOU WERE INTERESTED AND SEE YOUR BACKGROUND.

I THINK THAT'S TERRIFIC. JUST A QUESTION. DO YOU HAVE ANY ONGOING RELATIONSHIPS WITH YOUR TWO PRIOR FIRMS OR OTHERS? THAT WOULD BE A POTENTIAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST THAT WOULD KEEP THEM FROM POTENTIALLY BIDDING ON THE AUDIT.

YES. ONE. SO I WAS MOST RECENTLY A PARTNER AT KPMG, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE SOUGHT TO APPLY FOR THIS. I DO CONTINUE TO RECEIVE ESSENTIALLY DEFERRED COMPENSATION FROM KPMG FOR ANOTHER SEVEN YEARS, APPROXIMATELY APPROXIMATELY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

WELL, THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN SEEK ADVICE ON IF KPMG SUBMITS A BID.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WOULD OR NOT, BUT WE CAN CROSS THAT BRIDGE AT THAT TIME.

THANKS. OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.

YOU'RE QUALIFIED, AND WE APPRECIATE YOUR APPLICATION.

MAYOR. IT'S UP TO YOU, MR. MURRAY. ALSO PUT HIS NAME IN FOR EAST NAPLES BAY IF YOU WANT TO INTERVIEW HIM FOR THAT WHILE HE'S HERE, OR HAVE HIM WAIT UNTIL WE DO THE EAST NAPLES BAY INTERVIEWS.

I THINK THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. WE'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION OF SAVING HIM TIME FROM GETTING UP.

SO THANK YOU FOR APPLYING FOR THE EAST NAPLES BAY TAXING DISTRICT.

TELL ME, I KNOW YOU APPLIED FOR THAT BEFORE. CORRECT.

NO. OH, NO. NO. OH, OKAY. WELL, WOULD YOU TELL US WHY YOU'RE APPLYING FOR THAT? THAT POSITION? WELL, I LIVE IN ROYAL HARBOR, AND ALTHOUGH THE DREDGING WAS JUST COMPLETED, I FIND LIVING IN THAT AREA INTERESTING AND BEING ON THE WATER MORE UNIQUE ISSUES, I GUESS. AND, AND I'M RETIRED, SO I THOUGHT I'D TRY TO HELP OUT.

ANYTHING ABOUT THE DREDGE? IS IT COMPLETE? IT'S COMPLETE IN OUR CANAL.

I KNOW THAT I THINK I THOUGHT THEY WERE STILL WORKING ON KURLOW, BUT YEAH, I'M NOT POSITIVE.

YEAH. ANYTHING ABOUT THAT DREDGE THAT YOU CAN SHARE WITH US THAT.

WELL, I WASN'T REALLY PART OF THAT. SO ASIDE FROM READING THE REPORTS A COUPLE OF PROGRESS REPORTS I, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE DETAILS OF, OF THAT.

OKAY. YEAH. THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR APPLICATION.

COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. I MR., I'M SURE I'VE LIVED IN THE COMMUNITY TOO.

SO ARE YOU A BOATER OR HAVE YOU? I DO HAVE A BOAT.

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THEY DID HAVE A DREDGE ABOUT THAT, ABOUT THAT TIME, BUT I JUST WANT, I'M PERSONALLY CURIOUS HOW DID THE, THE, THE ROCK APPEAR AFTER TEN YEARS. IS IT RISING? NO, IT'S JUST A JACKHAMMER. THEY ACTUALLY LITERALLY HAD TO GO DOWN IN THE WATER AND REMOVE IT BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T DREDGE IT.

IT HAD TO BE CHIPPED OFF IN SOME AREAS, YOU KNOW, TO GET TO THE REGULATED PATH.

ARE YOU A BOATER OR. YES, YES. JUST BOUGHT A BOAT.

YEAH, YEAH. SO WHAT I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON SO FAR WITH THE DREDGING PROJECT.

ARE YOU PRETTY HAPPY? WHAT'S GOING ON IN YOUR CANAL? IS EVERYTHING FINE? YEAH, I THINK I RECEIVED SOMETHING IN NOVEMBER SAYING THEY WERE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, BE DREDGING OUR CANAL. AND THEN WE WE WENT AWAY FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS OR A COUPLE OF MONTHS AND THEN CAME BACK. AND SO WE NEVER ACTUALLY VISUALLY SAW THEM IN FRONT OF OUR HOME.

SO I ASSUME IT WAS ALL DONE. I WAS DISAPPOINTED I DIDN'T GET TO SEE IT, BUT I HAVE NO REASON TO COMPLAIN.

I CAN GET IN AND OUT OF MY CANAL WITHOUT PROBLEM.

IT SEEMS LIKE THIS COULD BE MORE PROACTIVE AND AND MAKING SURE IT'S MORE.

ESPECIALLY IN THE ENTRANCES TO NAPLES BAY WHERE IT WOULD FILL IN QUITE A BIT.

AND WORKING ON BETTER IDEAS TO KEEP THAT, KEEP THAT OPEN.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR WILLING TO SERVE.

YOU'RE WELCOME. JUST I DON'T WANT TO QUOTE THE RECORD.

YOU CAN GET THAT FROM THE CLERK'S OFFICE, BUT I THINK THIS IS THE THIRD TIME THEY'VE ATTEMPTED TO REMOVE THIS ROCK.

HOPEFULLY, THIS TECHNOLOGY WILL PROVE TO PREVAIL.

SO WITH THAT, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. WELL THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE. THANK YOU.

WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE FIRE PENSION BOARD. AND OUR CURRENT TRUSTEE IS HERE.

HE'S OUR ONLY APPLICANT. TRUSTEE HOWARD WEISS IS READY FOR HIS INTERVIEW.

GOOD MORNING SIR. HI. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY.

IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND MAYBE WHY YOU'VE APPLIED FOR THIS PARTICULAR POSITION.

SURE. I'M HOWARD WEISS, AND I'M A RESIDENT OF NAPLES.

WE LIVE IN THE MOORINGS AREA. YEAH, IN TERMS OF WHY I'M INTERESTED I'VE ACTUALLY SERVED TWO TERMS, SO I'M APPLYING FOR MY THIRD TERM. AND OBVIOUSLY I'VE ENJOYED IT QUITE A BIT OR I WOULDN'T BE HERE, YOU KNOW, APPLYING. SO IT'S BEEN A VERY ENJOYABLE EXPERIENCE TO, TO A CERTAIN EXTENT.

IT'S REALLY AN EXTENSION OF MY JOB. I, I AM STILL WORKING.

I WORK FOR BANK OF AMERICA AND MY MY ROLE THERE IS THAT I WORK WITH FAMILY OFFICES, ESSENTIALLY WHAT FAMILY OFFICES ARE.

JUST TO HAVE A COMMON DEFINITION, AS I WORK WITH CLIENTS OF THE BANK THAT HAVE HAD BUSINESSES, THEY SOLD THE BUSINESS AND THEN THEY SET UP A FINANCIAL OFFICE TO RUN THEIR AFFAIRS.

AND USUALLY THE INVESTMENTS ARE WIDESPREAD BETWEEN REAL ESTATE.

SECURITIES AND EVEN OTHER OPERATING BUSINESSES THAT THEY MIGHT BUY.

SO I HELP THE CLIENTS SET UP THESE OFFICES. IN PARTICULAR, I HELP THEM WITH THEIR INVESTMENT STRATEGIES.

SO A LOT OF THE WORK THAT I DO HAS A LOT OF SIMILARITIES TO WHAT I, WHAT I'M DOING, YOU KNOW, ON THE ON THE PENSION BOARD IN TERMS OF THE, THE ACTIVITIES THAT ARE PROBABLY RELEVANT YOU KNOW, TO, TO THIS SITUATION IS THAT I AM ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF A FAMILY OFFICE, WHICH ALSO INCLUDES AN INVESTMENT COMMITTEE.

AND THAT PARTICULAR FAMILY ALSO USES THE SAME FIRM THAT THE, THAT WE USE HERE TO, TO MANAGE THE INVESTMENTS.

IT'S A DIFFERENT TEAM, BUT I DO GET TO SEE DIFFERENT ASPECTS OF THAT COMPANY.

SO THAT'S BEEN AN INTERESTING SIDELINE OF THE ACTIVITY.

THE OTHER THING THAT IS SIGNIFICANT IS THAT I'M ALSO ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF A FAIRLY LARGE PRIVATE FOUNDATION THAT'S BASED IN BALTIMORE.

I'VE BEEN ON THAT BOARD FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS. SO AND THAT, THAT HAS A LOT OF PRIVATE EQUITY TO IT.

SO THE FAMILY OFFICE HAS A LOT OF REAL ESTATE.

THE FOUNDATION HAS A LOT OF PRIVATE EQUITY. SO I GET TO, I GET A NICE CROSS SECTION OF THE, OF THE INVESTMENT MARKETS, BUT BY AND LARGE MY INTEREST HERE TO, TO CONTINUE IS BECAUSE THIS REALLY IS, LIKE I SAID, AN EXTENSION OF WHAT I'VE DONE FOR MANY YEARS AND I'VE ENJOYED IT.

OBVIOUSLY I'M, I'M STILL WORKING AND, AND I'M, YOU KNOW, WOULD LIKE TO, TO RE-UP, REAPPLY.

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COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER HOWARD, I JUST, YOU KNOW, I'M A BIG FAN, SO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU'VE DONE.

AND I'LL SAY HAVING I'M SURE MY COLLEAGUES WOULD ECHO THIS.

THOSE BOARDS, THE PENSION BOARDS, REALLY, REALLY SMART GUYS THAT ARE EXPERTS IN THE FIELD.

I MEAN, REALLY SMART EXPERTS. AND SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR EXPERTISE AND FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE.

I APPRECIATE YOU AND FOR THOSE OF US THAT DON'T HAVE THOSE EXPERTISE, WATCHING THOSE PENSION BOARD MEETINGS ARE ALWAYS QUITE FUN.

COUNCIL MEMBER, THANK YOU FOR APPLYING AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY.

YOU'RE SPREAD PRETTY THINLY, MY FRIEND. THAT THAT DOESN'T.

OBVIOUSLY YOU'D LIKE TO TO RUN AT ABOUT 100 MILES AN HOUR MOST OF THE TIME.

YES. WELL I'VE DONE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT I'M NOT DOING EVERYTHING CURRENTLY THAT'S ON MY RESUME.

THE, THE TWO MAIN ACTIVITIES ARE WHAT I'VE MENTIONED.

THERE IS A FAMILY OFFICE IN NORTH CAROLINA THAT KEEPS ME QUITE BUSY.

AND THEN THERE'S A FOUNDATION IN BALTIMORE THAT IT DOES AS WELL.

I HAVE A SMALLER FOUNDATION IN WASHINGTON, D.C., WHERE I'M ON THEIR INVESTMENT COMMITTEE, BUT AFTER THAT, MY CLIENT WORK HAS SIGNIFICANTLY DECREASED.

THE COMPANY HAS GIVEN ME ADDITIONAL RESOURCES AND THEY'VE SPREAD OUT MY MY CLIENT LIST.

THEY, THEY KNOW WHAT MY AGE IS AND THEY'RE NOT FORCING ME TO RETIRE.

THEY WANT ME TO CONTINUE TO MENTOR YOUNGER PEOPLE.

SO AS A RESULT, WHILE MY RESUME MAY LOOK CROWDED A LOT OF THOSE ACTIVITIES ARE SORT OF IN THE TWILIGHT STAGE.

I'M NOT REALLY DOING IT. I'M, I, I'VE DONE IT BEFORE, BUT I'M ONLY RETAINING ABOUT 2 OR 3 MAJOR ACTIVITIES IN ADDITION TO THIS. SO, SO I HAVE, I HAVE CUT BACK QUITE A BIT.

AND LIVING IN NAPLES GIVES YOU THAT ABILITY TO.

TO DO THAT, I DON'T HAVE TO CONTEND WITH THE BIG CITY.

THE HARDEST PART OF MY JOB, ACTUALLY, IN THE LATER YEARS WAS JUST COMMUTING.

I MEAN, IT WAS TOUGH IN A BIG CITY TO GET FROM HOME INTO THE OFFICE HERE.

I DON'T HAVE THAT PROBLEM. SO THAT'S THAT'S A VERY INSIGHTFUL QUESTION.

I THANK YOU FOR ASKING IT. BUT, BUT MY, MY MY LIFESTYLE HAS CHANGED A LOT.

SO IT'S MANAGEABLE. AND YOU CONSIDER NAPLES TO BE YOUR PRIMARY RESIDENCE? YES IT IS. WE SOLD OUR HOME IN BALTIMORE ABOUT THREE AND A HALF YEARS AGO.

VERY WELL. SO WE'RE HERE FULL TIME. THANK YOU SIR.

WE TRY TO GET OUT OF HERE IN AUGUST AND SEPTEMBER.

I CAN'T IMAGINE WHY, BUT IF THAT'S YOUR CHOICE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. I HAVE COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ, THANK YOU FOR YOUR APPLICATION.

DO YOU CURRENTLY HOLD ANY SECURITIES LICENSES? PARDON ME? DO YOU CURRENTLY HOLD ANY SECURITIES LICENSES? NO, NO, I DID AT ONE POINT THE COMPANY I PRETTY MUCH WANTED ME TO TURN IT BACK IN BECAUSE OF THE HEAVY REGULATION THAT'S INVOLVED WITH IT.

AND A LOT OF THE WORK I DID DEAL WITH IS WITH PRIVATE FAMILY OFFICES, AND THERE WAS JUST TOO MUCH REGULATION THAT SURROUNDED THAT.

AND, AND SO THEY, THEY THEY, THE BANK HAD OVER THE YEARS DECIDED WHO NEEDED TO BE REGISTERED AND WHO DIDN'T.

THEY DECIDED THAT I DID NOT NEED TO BE. SO I AM A CERTIFIED FINANCIAL PLANNER.

AND SO THAT COVERS A FAIR AMOUNT OF REGULATION IN TERMS OF WHAT I'M ALLOWED TO DO AND NOT ALLOWED TO DO.

WHICH LICENSE DID YOU HAVE? A CERTIFIED FINANCIAL PLANNER, CFP? YES, CFP. SO I, I MANAGE MONEY FOR PRIVATE OFFICES IN EUROPE, THE CROWN, THE CROWN PRINCE OF LUXEMBOURG AND IN LIECHTENSTEIN.

SO I'VE GOT A FAIR AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE DEALING WITH FAMILY OFFICES AND DOING PITCH BOOKS AND DEALING WITH THEM TO GATHER ASSETS.

SO IT'S NOT A FUN JOB, BUT IT CAN BE VERY REWARDING.

SO YES, THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP. SOME GOOD MEMORIES I HAVE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR BEING WILLING TO SERVE AGAIN.

WHEN I WAS ON THE PENSION BOARDS PREVIOUSLY, I ALWAYS APPRECIATED YOUR INSIGHTS, YOUR EXPERIENCE, YOUR ADVICE. AND I'M GLAD YOU'RE WILLING TO DO IT AGAIN.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, I HAVE BARTON AND THEN CAROL.

YES. JUST QUICKLY. I WAS THE CHAIRPERSON FOR THE PENSION JOINT PENSION BOARD FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS.

AND, HOWARD, I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU FOR REAPPLYING AND STICKING WITH THE BOARD BECAUSE YOUR YOUR INPUT IS INVALUABLE.

THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER.

YEAH, IT'S A QUICK COMMENT. I HAD MY FIRST MEETING AS CHAIR OF THE PENSION BOARD, AND I IMMEDIATELY REALIZED THAT IT'S A GREAT ASSET TO THE BOARD.

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OKAY. WITH THAT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO CONTINUE TO SERVE.

WE APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE POLICE OFFICERS RETIREMENT TRUST FUND.

AND OUR ONE APPLICANT IS OUR CURRENT TRUSTEE MEMBER, JOHN PLUTA.

GOOD MORNING SIR. NICE TO SEE YOU. THANK YOU. NICE TO SEE YOU. GOOD MORNING. JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

ANYTHING YOU MIGHT WANT TO SHARE? SURE. JOHN PLUTA, OUR PRIMARY RESIDENT OF NAPLES.

BEEN HERE SINCE 2019. WE NOW LIVE IN NAPLES SQUARE.

WE WERE FIRST IN OLD NAPLES. LOVE. LOVE NAPLES.

WHY WOULD I LIKE TO SERVE OR CONTINUE TO SERVE? IT'S IT'S A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE. I GUESS THIS IS MY THIRD TERM WOULD BE MY THIRD TERM.

I THINK OF THE BENEFICIARIES. I THINK OF THE HARD WORKING GENERAL EMPLOYEES, THE FIREFIGHTERS, THE POLICE. AND IF I CAN LOOK THEM IN THE EYE AND THEY CAN SAY, GOOD JOB, THEN THAT'S GRATIFYING.

SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. AND THEN I LOVE THE CONTENT.

I'VE WORKED 35 YEARS FOR A BOND MANAGER THAT MANAGED VARIOUS BOND STRATEGIES FOR PENSION FUNDS.

SO IT'S, I'VE ALWAYS BEEN INVOLVED WITH PENSION INVESTMENT IN NEW YORK AND BOSTON.

I CURRENTLY, SO I'M RETIRED NOW, BUT I CURRENTLY RUN AN EQUITY PORTFOLIO FOR AN ENDOWMENT, A GIRLS HIGH SCHOOL IN, IN VIRGINIA. SO I'M STILL VERY MUCH INVOLVED IN THE CAPITAL MARKETS.

IT'S A LOT OF FUN. I ENJOY THE DYNAMIC. I'M SURPRISED.

THAT'S GREAT. MAYOR THAT YOU'VE LOOKED IN ON OUR MEETINGS.

THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE WONDERFUL DISCUSSIONS.

THERE'S A LOT OF BACK AND FORTH, GOOD PEOPLE. AND I THINK WE'RE DOING SOME GOOD THINGS.

SO YES YOU ARE. THANK YOU. YEAH. SERVING IN A WAY NOT ALL OF US CAN.

SO THANK YOU. QUESTIONS. COMMENTS. KRAMER AGAIN.

YOU KNOW, I'M A HUGE FAN. YOU'VE COACHED ME UP REPEATEDLY, WHICH I AM GRATEFUL FOR.

THANK YOU COACH. I THOUGHT THIS BEFORE BUT DIDN'T TELL YOU.

KNOWING THAT YOU SERVE ON THAT. IF THERE WAS A WAY TO INVEST IN THAT GIRL'S HIGH SCHOOL, I WOULD INVEST IN THAT GIRL'S HIGH SCHOOL KNOWING THAT YOU'RE INVOLVED. WE'VE DONE PRETTY WELL. THANKS. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. BARTON, JUST WANT TO ECHO MY PREVIOUS SENTIMENT, WHICH WAS LAST TWO YEARS. I'VE SHARED THAT JOINT PENSION FUND.

AND AGAIN, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR REAPPLYING, AND YOUR EFFORTS ARE INVALUABLE.

YOUR EXPERTISE IS IS GREATLY APPRECIATED. THANK YOU.

BERNIE. QUICK COMMENT. HAVING MY FIRST MEETING THERE AS CHAIR, JOHN WAS PROBABLY THE BEST, MOST ENGAGED. I MEAN, I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED.

I THINK HIS COMMITMENT TO THAT BOARD IS INCREDIBLE AND AGAIN, A TREMENDOUS ASSET THERE.

THANK YOU JOHN. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO CONTINUE TO SERVE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD.

I HAVE ONE APPLICANT, HENRY JOHNSON JOHNSON, AND HE'S ACTUALLY CURRENTLY OUR ALTERNATE NUMBER TWO.

GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND YOUR CONTINUED SERVICE.

ANYTHING YOU WOULD LIKE TO JUST STATE YOUR NAME OR SHARE WITH US? WELCOME EVERYBODY. I THINK MOST MANY OF YOU WERE ON THE BOARD WHEN I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY AS AN ALTERNATE.

BY WAY OF BACKGROUND FOR THE RECORD, AGAIN, I'M HENRY JOHNSON.

I'VE LIVED IN COLLIER COUNTY NOW FOR 42 YEARS, LIVED WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF NAPLES FOR OVER 20 YEARS.

I'M A GRADUATE OF BOWDOIN COLLEGE IN BRUNSWICK, MAINE.

I AM ALSO A GRADUATE OF THE UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI SCHOOL OF EDUCATION WITH A MASTER'S DEGREE IN EDUCATION AND A GRADUATE OF THE UNIVERSITY OF MIAMI SCHOOL OF LAW.

I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE FLORIDA BAR FOR OVER 42 YEARS AND HAVE HAD OUR.

OUR PRACTICE IS HENRYJOHNSON LAW FOR OVER 21.

EXCUSE ME, OVER 41 YEARS IN COLLIER COUNTY. I HAVE BEEN A MEMBER OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD INITIALLY FOR SIX YEARS, OF WHICH I WAS CHAIRMAN, I THINK FOR 3 OR 4 OF THOSE YEARS DURING MY SIX YEAR TERM.

THEN I TURNED OUT. THEN I REAPPLIED AND I GOT ON AS AN ALTERNATE, AND I'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE IN FRONT OF THE FRONT OF MY COLLEAGUES ON THE BOARD NOW FOR I GUESS IT'S BEEN MAYBE 4 OR 5 MONTHS, AND I'M GUESSING.

AND NOW I WAS TOLD THAT IF I WISH TO. AND YOU FOLKS WOULD ALLOW ME TO BE A FULL TIME MEMBER OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD, I'D LIKE TO COME BACK ON AS A FULL MEMBER OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD.

THAT'S BACKGROUND. THANK YOU. YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN A VERY STRONG MEMBER OF THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD.

AND DO YOU STILL LIVE IN THE CITY THOUGH, CORRECT? OH, YES. YEP. OKAY. WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? I MEANT I WAS ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD WHEN HENRY WAS CHAIR AND HIS INTELLECT AND AND HIS

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AND I WOULD IT'S A NO BRAINER FOR ME TO RECOMMEND THEM.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

WELL THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO CONTINUE TO SERVE ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT.

IT'S MY PLEASURE. THANK YOU. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE CRAB BOARD.

OUR FIRST APPLICANT IS LEE DAVIDSON. MADAM CLERK, HOW MANY SPOTS DO WE HAVE OPEN FOR THAT PARTICULAR BOARD? WE HAVE A VACANCY FOR A REGULAR MEMBER WITH THE RESIGNATION OF MARK KOMARNICKI AND AN ALTERNATE MEMBER VACANCY, BECAUSE MR. SCHUCHART HAD BEEN THE ALTERNATE, BUT HE WAS GIVEN A REGULAR SPOT.

SO TWO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MR. ROSENBERG, YOU JUST SAID THAT.

THERE WAS A MEMBER THAT WAS AN ALTERNATE AND WAS VOTED TO MOVE TO THE PERMANENT SPOT.

THAT WAS MR. SCHUCHART. OKAY. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR APPLICATION AGAIN.

ABSOLUTELY. AND IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME OR ANY REASONS WHY YOU'RE APPLYING FOR THIS BOARD.

SURE. ABSOLUTELY. I'M LEE DAVIDSON. I'M A CITY OF NAPLES RESIDENT.

I'VE BEEN IN NAPLES SINCE 1988. I'M A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER.

AND THE CRAB BOARD TO ME SEEMED LIKE A NO BRAINER.

DEALING WITH INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS, LAND PLANNING THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE DEAL WITH PRIMARILY IN MY PRACTICE.

AND IT JUST SEEMED LIKE A GOOD WAY TO CONTRIBUTE.

YOU KNOW, THE SKILLS AND KIND OF PROJECTS I'VE LEARNED THROUGH TO MORE OF A PUBLIC SETTING AND MORE.

FOR PUBLIC SERVICE. SO GREAT. THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION ABOUT A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN THE PAST WITH DAVIDSON ENGINEERING. BUT THIS IS AN ADVISORY BOARD THAT WOULD NOT CHOOSE THE FIRM THAT WOULD POSSIBLY DO ANY OF THE CONTRACTING. AND IS THAT CORRECT? MR. MCCONNELL? NO CONFLICT. WELL I BELIEVE HE ALSO SITS ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT.

I MEAN, THERE COULD BE A CONFLICT. I THOUGHT IT WAS HER CRAB.

THERE IS, BUT I MEAN, HE'S ALSO A BOARD MEMBER.

NO, HIS TERM ON CODE ENFORCEMENT IS OVER. OKAY.

BUT IT'S KIND OF HARD TO JUST MAKE A BLANKET.

THERE WILL BE NO CONFLICT. IF A SITUATION PRESENTS ITSELF, THEN THIS MEMBER CAN REACH OUT TO ME AND WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT.

BUT YOU ARE CORRECT. THEY ARE ONLY ADVISORY. THANK YOU.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? I'LL JUST GO TO THE BOARD FOR QUESTIONS.

COUNCIL MEMBER LEE SERVED ON CODE ENFORCEMENT WHEN I WAS CHAIR.

AND HE WAS ALWAYS ENGAGED. HE WAS PROFESSIONAL.

HE HAD A GREAT ANALYTICAL MIND. I THINK HE'D BE A GOOD ASSET FOR THIS BOARD, I REALLY DO.

JUST FROM MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? VICE MAYOR, JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THE DAVIDSON QUESTION, DO YOU CURRENTLY WORK ON ANY DAVIDSON PROJECTS FOR THE CITY? SO TO CLARIFY THAT, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTRACTS WITH THE CITY OF NAPLES, AND I'VE NEVER WORKED ON ANY PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS WITH THE CITY OF NAPLES.

WE DO DEAL WITH PRIVATE DEVELOPERS, BUT AGAIN, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTRACTS OR NEVER HAD ANY CONTRACTS WITH THE CITY OF NAPLES. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN.

SO GIVEN THAT SITUATION, CITY ATTORNEY, I'M ASSUMING HE IF HE HAD A CONFLICT, HE WOULD OBVIOUSLY DISCLOSE IT AND NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING.

CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE WOULD BE CONSULTED BEFOREHAND.

THAT'D BE APPRECIATED SO THAT WE'RE NOT MAKING DECISIONS AT THE DAIS.

AND DAVIDSON ENGINEERING IS NOT WORKING ON THE NAPLES BEACH HOTEL.

I WOULD HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF WHO'S WORKING ON THE HOTEL.

ALL RIGHT. TO CLARIFY, YES, WE ARE. BUT AGAIN, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S IN THE CRA'S AREA.

SO I DON'T THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE OVERLAP, BUT I DOUBT IT WOULD REALLY AFFECT, YOU KNOW, THAT. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PAST SERVICE AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. GARY HAYNES HAS REMOVED HIS NAME FOR FOR CRAB FOR CONSIDERATION.

AND OUR OTHER APPLICANT IS WILLIAM SHEARER. HE DIDN'T CHECK IN WITH ME, SO I'M NOT SURE IF HE'S HERE.

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AND WE'LL START OFF WITH GARY GREGG.

GOOD MORNING. HI. GOOD MORNING. HOW ARE YOU? GOOD.

CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY. YES. YOU'VE GOT THE ENERGY, I LOVE IT.

COULD YOU KNOW I'M HERE? AND CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL OF YOU ON YOUR SUCCESSFUL ELECTION.

I'M GARY GREGG. I'M A RESIDENT OF NAPLES, 1320 OSPREY AVENUE.

I AM APPLYING TO BE REAPPOINTED TO THE EAST NAPLES BAY ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

SO I SERVED FOR THREE YEARS. YOU APPOINTED ME THREE YEARS AGO.

SHORTLY, IN JUST IN THE AFTERMATH OF HURRICANE IAN.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT WHERE THE PROJECT STANDS AT DREDGING CERTAINLY HERE, IT CAN GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION THAN, THAN THE PRIOR INTERVIEWEE JUST HE WASN'T PART OF THE COMMITTEE, BUT I WAS SO SO I.

12 MEETINGS, FOUR MEETINGS A YEAR FOR THREE YEARS ATTENDED EVERY MEETING.

I AM A 14 YEAR RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF NAPLES 2014.

AND THE COMMITTEE HAD ITS CHALLENGES DURING THAT TIME.

THE, THE ANSWER TO THE ROCK VERSUS THE SILT. THE ROCK HAD NEVER BEEN SUCCESSFULLY DREDGED BEFORE.

AND THE IDEA WAS TO ONCE AND FOR ALL, GEOLOGICALLY, THE ROCK ISN'T GOING TO GROW BACK TO DREDGE IT, GRIND IT DOWN TO FIVE FEET 4IN OR 5FT FIVE INCHES.

THAT SHOULD MAKE FUTURE COSTS A LOT LOWER. SO THIS WAS A THIS IS A ONE TIME VERY SORT OF SIGNIFICANTLY MORE EXPENSIVE DREDGING PROJECT THAN BEFORE.

ONCE IT'S DONE, THE ROCK ISN'T GOING TO GROW BACK.

SO THE FUTURE WILL BE TO REMOVE SILT, WHICH IS A LOT EASIER.

THE NORTH END OF THE BAY HAS A LOT MORE ROCK THAN THE SOUTH END.

SO THE PARTS OF EAST NAPLES BAY THAT ARE IN THE UP TOWARDS TIN CITY ON THAT SIDE WHAT WE CALL THE, THE BIRDS AND THE SHELLFISH OSPREY, CURLEW, PELICAN OR THE BIRDS.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE SHELLFISH, WHICH IS CHESAPEAKE BLUE POINT, ETC.

THOSE ARE ALMOST ALL ROCK. YOU GO FURTHER SOUTH DOWN INTO THE FISH, WHICH IS TARPON KINGFISH, WHICH IS MORE ACROSS FROM AQUA LANE AND, AND PORT ROYAL, IT'S MORE SILT.

SO THOSE CANALS ARE BIGGER, BUT THEY WENT FASTER BECAUSE THIS PROJECT WAS INTERRUPTED BY IAN.

THE. ITS QE QUALITY ENGINEERING IS DOING THE DREDGING AND THEY HAD TO BASICALLY DEMOBILIZE ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT IN PREPARATION FOR THE HURRICANE BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO LOSE THE EQUIPMENT. SO IT WAS A GOOD THREE OR 4 OR 5 MONTH INTERRUPTION WHERE THEY DEMOBILIZED THE EQUIPMENT AND THEY HAD TO REMOBILIZE IT, BRING IT BACK IN. THAT CAUSED SOME COST OVERRUNS.

THE CITY LENT SOME MORE MONEY. THAT PROJECT IS EXPECTED, I THINK, UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE OUR NEXT MEETING TOMORROW.

SO THE LAST UPDATE THAT I HAD AS A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE WAS IN DECEMBER.

AND WE WERE ON TARGET ON PLAN TO FINISH IN SOMETIME IN MAY OR JUNE TO COMPLETE THE DREDGING PROJECT AND FINISH THE, THE PROJECT. SO IT'S AN INTERESTING TIME FOR THE COMMITTEE GOING FORWARD BECAUSE THE ASSESSMENT, THE TAXING AUTHORITY CURRENTLY IS COLLECTING, YOU KNOW, THE VALUES HAVE GONE UP.

THE MILLAGE RATE SOMEWHERE AROUND AND $50,000 A YEAR.

$700,000 A YEAR. THE COST OF THE PROJECT REQUIRED THAT THE CITY LEND THE TAXING AUTHORITY MONEY.

I THINK THE CURRENT DEBT IS A. YOU CAN CORRECT ME ON THIS.

I'M NOT AN EXPERT ON THIS, BUT AROUND 3 MILLION.

AND THE COST OF THE FUTURE DREDGING. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SORT OF AT SOME POINT PRETTY SOON TAKE A LOOK AT THE FUTURE AND SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS WHAT IS THE EXPECTED NORMAL INFLATION ADJUSTED COST OF DREDGING THE CANALS ON A REGULAR BASIS? HOW QUICKLY SHOULD WE REPAY THE DEBT TO THE CITY? I THINK GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, 6 OR $700,000 A YEAR COMING IN, AT LEAST RIGHT NOW, UNTIL IF, IF AND WHEN WE SHOULD ADJUST THE TAX RATE LOWER IT BECAUSE WE DON'T NEED AS MUCH MONEY.

WE'LL HAVE TO PAY BACK THE DEBT AND THEN HAVE A SORT OF AN ECONOMIC ASSESSMENT OF WHERE WE SHOULD SET THE TAX RATES ON.

THAT'S KIND OF A LITTLE BACKGROUND. I MEAN, YOU DIDN'T ASK FOR IT, BUT I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M HERE.

SO NO THANK YOU. THAT'S GOOD BACKGROUND COUNCIL.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY BECAUSE I LIVE ON ONE OF THE BIRD STREETS.

I LIVE ON PELICAN AND THAT'S ONE OF THE ORIGINAL CONNECTIONS AND YEAH, IT'S ALL ROCK.

AND THIS COMMITTEE FOR THE FIRST TIME, I'VE LIVED THERE 20, NEARLY 20 YEARS.

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THEY'VE BEEN FOCUSED. IT'S BEEN VERY PROFESSIONAL HOW IT'S BEEN GOING ON.

SO I WOULD STRONGLY RECOMMEND. WHAT GARY'S COURSE GOING FORWARD.

THANK YOU. NO FURTHER COMMENTS. QUESTIONS VICE MAYOR.

YEAH. THANKS FOR THAT BACKGROUND AND UPDATE. THAT WAS VERY, VERY HELPFUL.

AND WE DO APPRECIATE YOUR WORK AND THE COMMITTEE'S WORK THE LAST FEW YEARS GETTING THIS PROJECT DONE.

AND I'M SURE WE'LL GET INTO THIS IN THE BUDGETING STUFF LATER ON THIS SUMMER TO TALK ABOUT THE TAX RATE AND THE FUTURE.

DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE FOR ONCE THIS PROJECT IS COMPLETED AND THE ROCK'S GONE, SO WE GET TO A REGULAR CYCLE OF JUST REMOVING SILT.

WHEN WOULD THE NEXT DREDGE NEED TO BE TO REMOVE THE SILT? THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION. I THINK THE ENGINEERS WOULD YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON. OBVIOUSLY STORMS. STORMS BRING IN A LOT OF MATERIAL ON THE.

ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE COMING IN THIS WAY AS OPPOSED TO GOING THE OTHER WAY. SO IT'S HARD TO TELL WITH OUR ENVIRONMENT.

IT'S TOUGH TO KNOW HOW SOON WE WOULD HAVE TO DREDGE.

BUT NORMAL CONDITIONS, I THINK IT WAS JUST ABOUT EVERY FIVE OR 6 OR 7 YEARS.

I'M LOOKING AT RICHARD. HE'S ON THE COMMITTEE AS WELL. SO SOMEWHERE IN THAT NATURE.

ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. WOULD YOU SAY ONE MORE ONE OTHER THING.

YOU KNOW, THE CHARTER WAS REVISED IN 2018 BY THE COUNCIL.

AND IT DOES INCLUDE DREDGING, WHICH IS 95% OF WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING.

BUT THE CHARTER ALSO INCLUDES SOME OTHER DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES WHICH, YOU KNOW, MAY BE COME MORE IMPORTANT AS WE GO FORWARD IN THE FUTURE.

ONE IS WATER POLLUTION AND THE GENERAL HEALTH AND VIABILITY OF THE BAY.

IT'S HARD TO JUST SAY, WELL, THERE'S ONLY EAST NAPLES BAY POLLUTION.

THE POLLUTION IS UBIQUITOUS. IT'S, IT'S IT'S COMING FROM DIFFERENT SOURCES.

MARINAS AND DISCHARGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND THE OTHER THING IS THE NAVIGATION AIDS TO NAVIGATION IS ALSO INCLUDED IN THE CHARTER.

YOU KNOW, SAFETY AND, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN ISSUE WITH ABANDONED AND SORT OF ABANDONED BOATS OUT IN THE BAY.

A LOT OF YOU DON'T LIVE ON THE BAY, BUT THERE'S SOME BOATS OUT THERE THAT ARE SUNK AND THAT'S UNDER THE FWC, WHICH IS NOT PART OF THIS. IT'S IRONIC THAT THE CITY SURROUNDS THE THE BAY, BUT WE DON'T CONTROL ANY OF IT.

IT'S EITHER THE COUNTY OR THE FWC. SO IT'S ANOTHER AREA OF MY INTEREST.

JUST TO SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR. YEAH, THAT'D BE GREAT TO GET YOU ALL'S INPUT ON THOSE ISSUES, PARTICULARLY WHEN WE HOPEFULLY GET MORE INTO WATER QUALITY OF NAPLES BAY AND WHERE THE SOURCES OF POLLUTION ARE COMING FROM AND WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT.

DOES THE REMIT ALSO INCLUDE LOOKING AT SEA WALLS IN THE ROYAL HARBOR AREA? YES IT DOES. OKAY. THAT'S ANOTHER IMPORTANT QUESTION COMING UP.

ABSOLUTELY. WHAT WHAT SHOULD THE HEIGHT BE AND HOW DO WE GET THERE? IT'S A BIG DEAL. IT'S A BIG DEAL. WE'RE ALREADY SEEING PEOPLE CHANGE. YOU KNOW, CHANGING HEIGHTS AND THE CITY, THE BUILDING CODES AND. GREAT.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND I'LL JUST SAY I APPRECIATE YOUR KNOWLEDGE.

AND WE CAN WORK WITH THE FWC THOUGH, AND WE HAVE TRIED, SO MAYBE WE NEED A STRONGER EFFORT IN DOING THAT.

YES. THANK YOU SIR. YEAH. COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN.

A COUPLE OF US ARE ON THE COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE COUNTY.

IT'S INTERESTING IN A WAY THAT WE HAVE NEVER HEARD, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, ANYWAY, FROM YOUR PARTICULAR AREA.

I KNOW THAT THE ROCK THING HAS GONE ON FOR TIME IMMEMORIAL, SEEMINGLY.

BUT YOU. YOU SEE THAT AS TERMINATING. YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU'RE DONE.

WELL, IT'S CERTAINLY AS OF THE LAST MEETING IN DECEMBER, THE.

ON TRACK TO COMPLETE THE PROJECT AND REMOVE ALL THE ROCK.

OKAY. AND OTHER ITERATIONS, I GUESS YOU'D HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR ANY KIND OF ITERATIONS OF SEAWALLS, THAT KIND OF THING. I DON'T KNOW, I THINK IT'S THE CITY CONTROLS THAT COULD BE OKAY.

IT'S IT'S WITHIN THE CITY. THE SEAWALLS ARE PART OF IT.

IT'S JUST REALLY BE HERE. OKAY. IT'S REALLY MORE THE OPEN WATER THAT'S UNDER THE STATE CONTROL, I THINK. I'M NOT I'M NOT A LAWYER AND CERTAINLY NOT A MARITIME LAWYER.

I'VE DONE A LITTLE DABBLING AND IT'S PRETTY, PRETTY DAUNTING.

YEAH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? KRAMER. I WILL JUST SAY, IF YOU'VE GOT ANY WAY FORWARD TO GET ABANDONED BOATS AND BOATS THAT ARE ILLEGALLY MOORED, GOTTEN RID OF, LET ME KNOW BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW A FAST WAY TO DO THAT IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

I'M SORRY IF I DON'T KNOW A FAST WAY TO DO THAT IN THE STATE OF KNOW.

IT'S A DIFFICULT SITUATION. IT'S NOT GOOD IF YOU'VE BEEN TO SOME OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE, LIKE KEY WEST. THERE'S A HUGE NUMBER OF WHAT I WOULD CALL SUPPOSED TO BE TRANSIENT.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO MORE THE LAW OF THE SEA IS YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DROP ANCHOR IF YOU'RE TRANSITING.

THAT'S RIGHT. AND BUT HOW LONG AND SOME PEOPLE HAVE DROPPED ANCHOR AND SOME OF THE MOST VALUABLE REAL ESTATE,

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I THINK WHEN I WAS HERE THREE YEARS AGO, I SAID IT WOULD BE LIKE IF AN RV PARKED IN PORT ROYAL AND, YOU KNOW, WAS ABLE TO PARK ON THE STREET IN PORT ROYAL AND LIVE THERE. AND I'M SERIOUS ABOUT THAT.

I'VE TALKED WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY ABOUT THIS A GOOD BIT.

AND IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OR IDEAS OR PATHS FORWARD TO I'VE, JUST CALL ME.

I DABBLED IN SOME STATE LEGISLATION. THERE IS STATE LEGISLATION THAT ENABLES A COUNTY TO SET ASIDE TEN 100 ACRE PARCELS FOR NON NON BORING NON ANCHORING. AND WE'VE NEVER WE'D HAVE TO GET STATE LEGISLATION TO APPROVE THAT WHICH IS ANOTHER TOUGH BATTLE.

BUT THAT'S WELL THAT'S IT. BUT THAT'S PART OF YOU KNOW I MEAN IF IT STARTS TO GET OUT OF CONTROL, IF YOU'VE BEEN TO KEY WEST, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF BOATS THAT ARE MORE THAN IN THE HARBOR.

IT'S A IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT ISSUE. BUT IF WE DON'T STAY ON TOP OF IT, WE COULD END UP WITH A FLOATING RV PARK IN THE MIDDLE OF NAPLES BAY.

STARTED. NOTHING THAT THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH RVS, DON'T GET ME WRONG. SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

I'M SORRY IT TOOK SO LONG, BUT NO, NO, I DO HAVE A QUESTION, THOUGH, ABOUT YOU SAID THERE WAS A CHARTER CHANGE.

WELL, IT'S JUST THE CHARTER HAS BEEN AMENDED A NUMBER OF TIMES. IT WAS CREATED. THE DISTRICT WAS CREATED IN OH EIGHT, AND THEN THE CHARTER WAS AMENDED A COUPLE TIMES. I THINK PART OF IT WAS THE MEMBERSHIP WE HAD SOME TROUBLE IN IN 1716 IN MAINTAINING AN ADEQUATE MEMBERSHIP.

AND SO THEY CHANGED THE COMMITTEE COMPOSITION AND THEY CHANGED THE CHARTER A LITTLE BIT.

THEY CHANGED THE CHARTER A LITTLE BIT. GREAT. THANK YOU.

OKAY. WE APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO CONTINUE TO SERVE.

YOU'VE GOT A GREAT TASK AHEAD OF YOU AND WE APPRECIATE YOU.

THANK YOU. THANKS AGAIN. OUR OTHER APPLICANT IS OUR CURRENT ALTERNATE, RICHARD SHANAHAN.

GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH US.

MY NAME IS RICHARD SHANAHAN. I OWN GEMMAR. I GOT INVOLVED IN WATERWAYS COMMITTEES BACK IN 2002.

I LIVED ON MARCO FOR 14 YEARS, AND THEN I MOVED HERE.

THE DAY I RESIGNED, I PUT IN MY LETTER THAT I WAS MOVING UP TO NAPLES.

I WAS ASKED TO REPLACE A CITY COUNCILMAN ON MARCO.

I'VE BEEN ON THIS WATERWAYS COMMITTEE. I'VE TERMED OUT A COUPLE OF TIMES.

I TERMED OUT ON MARCO. I PROBABLY HAVE 20 PLUS YEARS OF BEING ON THE WATERWAYS COMMITTEE.

I LIKE TO THINK THAT I'VE HELPED OUT. THE REASON WHY I ORIGINALLY GOT INVOLVED IN WATERWAYS COMMITTEE IS BECAUSE THE MANATEES WERE DYING.

SUPPOSEDLY BY BOATS AND THEY WERE TRYING TO GET RID OF ALL DOCKS.

THE ANALOGY WOULD BE THERE'S A LOT OF CAR ACCIDENTS, SO LET'S GET RID OF EVERYONE'S GARAGE.

THAT'S SORT OF THE SAME ANALOGY. I LIKE TO THINK I'M A NO NONSENSE GUY.

I DON'T LIKE TO HEAR MYSELF TALK. I DEFINITELY TRY TO CURB THE MEETINGS AND UNFORTUNATELY, A LOT OF PEOPLE GET ON THE WATERWAYS COMMITTEE TO GET THEIR CANAL DREDGED.

AND AS SOON AS THEIR CANAL IS DREDGED, THEY'RE GONE.

THE FUTURE OF THE WATERWAYS COMMITTEE, I BELIEVE IS IS REMOVING SEDIMENT.

I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO BE A BIG ISSUE.

IT'S GENERALLY NOT A PROBLEM. THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE ARE GOING TO HAVE IS THERE IS NO PLACE TO BRING THE SEDIMENT OR ROCK. THERE'S NO PLACE TO OFFLOAD IT.

IT WAS A HUGE PROBLEM. SOMEHOW I TERMED OUT AND THE COMMITTEE WAS TAKEN OVER.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, I THINK THAT A LOT OF MONEY WAS WASTED BECAUSE OUR OFFLOAD AREA WAS IN THE NORTH.

AND SOMEWHAT WHEN WE ORIGINALLY DID THE COMMITTEE, WE WERE GOING TO START AT THE NORTH AND WORK OUR WAY DOWN.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, THE COMMITTEE WAS TAKEN OVER BY PEOPLE AND THEY REMOVED THE ROCK IN THE SOUTH, AND THEY HAULED IT ALL THE WAY UP TO THE NORTH TO REMOVE IT.

AND THAT WAS A RIDICULOUS WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY.

SO I'M SORRY THAT THAT HAPPENED, BUT THE COMMITTEE IS THE, ALL THE ROCK IS NOW BEING REMOVED.

AND THE ORIGINAL GOAL OF THE COMMITTEE WAS TO GET RID OF ALL THE ROCK STARTING IN THE NORTH.

WHICH I'M SORRY, THE ORIGINAL COMMITTEE WAS TO GET RID OF ALL THE SIMPLE CANALS, GET ALL THE CANALS DONE FIRST, IT HAD THE LEAST AMOUNT OF ROCK AND THEN LEAVE THE BIG ROCK REMOVAL FOR THE END.

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THE ROCK REMOVAL WAS TOO HARD AND A LOT OF IT DIDN'T GET DONE.

SO THAT'S THE LONG STORY SHORT, I THINK YOU GUYS ASKED A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS.

WE WILL NEED TO FIND A LOCATION TO BE ABLE TO REMOVE SEDIMENT.

I DON'T THINK WE WILL NEED TO PROBABLY REMOVE SEDIMENT FOR UNLESS WE HAVE A HUGE HURRICANE.

AT LEAST TEN YEARS, I WOULD SAY. I DON'T EVEN THINK WE'LL NEED TO REMOVE THE SEDIMENT BECAUSE THE SEAWALLS ARE ALL BEING RAISED.

AND I BELIEVE WITH OUR DRAINAGE SYSTEMS AND ALL THAT THAT'S HAPPENING NOW, WE DON'T, WE SHOULD NOT HAVE A SEDIMENT ISSUE, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE 100 YEAR STORM. THINGS CHANGE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. COUNCIL.

ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ. IN YOUR COMMENT EARLIER, I BELIEVE YOU SAID SUPPOSEDLY THE MANATEES ARE GETTING KILLED.

WHAT IS HOW DO YOU DEFINE SUPPOSEDLY THIS WAS BACK IN.

WELL, THAT'S GOING TO BE AN INTERESTING ONE. I BELIEVE THE MANATEES.

WHAT? THAT'S FALSE. THE MANATEE NUMBERS ARE HIGHER THAN THEY WERE.

THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION. OKAY. YOU'RE SAYING SUPPOSEDLY THEY'RE GETTING KILLED.

AND I WOULD CONTEND AND KNOW PEOPLE THAT HAVE SEEN BY BOATS, THEY'RE BEING KILLED BY A BOAT.

BUT IF A MANATEE IS SICK AND NOT DOING WELL AND DYING.

IF A BOAT IF MANATEE HAS A STRIKE, THEY SAY, OH NO, THE MANATEE WAS KILLED BY A BOAT.

KIND OF LIKE COVID. ALL THE PEOPLE THAT DIED FROM COVID THAT REALLY THEY HAD COVID, BUT THEY COUNTED IT AS A COVID DEATH.

THERE WAS A MAN THAT ACTUALLY WAS IN A MOTORCYCLE ACCIDENT AND WAS DECAPITATED, AND HE HAD COVID IN THE HOSPITAL, AND THEY GAVE IT A COVID DEATH AND THEY MADE IT A COVID DEATH, AND THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE MANATEES.

SO IT'S YOUR CONTENTION THAT THE BOATS ARE GETTING THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE ILL THERE. IT'S NOT THAT I DON'T I HONESTLY HAVE NOT HEARD ABOUT THE MANATEE ISSUE, BUT THIS GOES BACK TO 2002 WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE AND WHY I FIRST GOT ON COMMITTEES TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS GOING ON, BECAUSE MY THEY WERE TRYING TO BAN ALL DOCS, ALL BOAT LIFTS, AND THAT'S HOW I ORIGINALLY GOT INVOLVED. SO I'VE NOT HEARD OF ANY MANATEE DEATHS.

I DON'T HEAR ABOUT IT LIKE I USED TO BACK IN OH TWO.

THIS IS 24 YEARS LATER. HAVE YOU GUYS HEARD OF MANY MANATEE DEATHS? TO BE HONEST, I BELIEVE THE MANATEE NUMBERS ARE UP. BUT HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.

I HAVE NOT FOLLOWED THAT. I HAVE NOT HEARD ANY ISSUES.

I BELIEVE THE MANATEES ARE DOING VERY WELL. BUT I, YOU KNOW, IF SOMEONE'S AN EXPERT ON MANATEES, I'D BE, I'D BE INTERESTED TO HEAR AN UPDATE ON THAT.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.

WELL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO CONTINUE TO SERVE.

THANK YOU. OUR OTHER APPLICANT, MR. JOSEPH MURRAY, WAS ALREADY INTERVIEWED.

SO WE'LL MOVE ON TO PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. WE HAVE A VACANCY FOR A PARTIAL TERM EXPIRING APRIL 30TH, 2028 DUE TO THE ELECTION OF COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ.

AND WE HAVE FOUR INTERVIEWS TODAY. AND I'LL START WITH JOE BLOEMKER.

OKAY. HOLD ON ONE SECOND. WE HAVE A QUESTION.

COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER I MAY BE OUT OF BOUNDS.

I DON'T KNOW, BUT I KNOW WE'VE GOT AT THE END OF APRIL, TWO MORE PAB POSITIONS OPEN.

AND SO MY QUESTION IS, COULD WE WHATEVER WE'RE DOING TODAY, COULD WE HAVE IT APPLY SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK AND DO THIS AGAIN IN A MONTH AND HAVE MAYBE THE TOP THREE WILL FILL THE THREE POSITIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE? I ACTUALLY IT'S NOT OUT OF BOUNDS. IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE.

AND I HAD THE SAME QUESTION. SO. SHORT ANSWER IS YES, I SEE I SEE NO ISSUE WITH THAT AT ALL. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE CLERK ADVERTISED THE POSITIONS.

THESE ARE THE APPLICANTS WE HAVE. SO YOU COULD ESSENTIALLY WHEN YOU DO A MOTION WOULD BE THEIR TERM WOULDN'T BEGIN UNTIL APRIL BLANK.

YEAH. AND I'LL DEFAULT TO THE CLERK ON WHEN THOSE TERMS BEGIN.

WE HAVE MORE INTERVIEWS AT THE APRIL WORKSHOP AS WELL.

DIFFERENT ONES. RIGHT. MORE PEOPLE. IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE THEN TO WAIT.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS ABOUT TO ASK. I THINK I HAVE FIVE AT THE APRIL 13TH WORKSHOP GEARED UP.

WOW. HOW DO WE HANDLE ALTERNATES? NORMALLY, MISS ROSENBERG, DO WE OFFER THE ALTERNATE TO MOVE FORWARD TO THAT POSITION? THAT'S. YES. AND MR. COOPER IS HERE TODAY BECAUSE HE IS THE CURRENT ALTERNATE AND HE WOULD LIKE TO TRY FOR A REGULAR SEAT.

SO HE'S TRYING FOR THE BALANCE OF COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ'S SEAT.

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YES. SO WE'VE GOT THREE TODAY. FOUR. SO WE GOT FOUR TODAY FOR ONE VACANCY THAT WE WILL VOTE ON TOMORROW. THEORETICALLY COULD THE THREE THAT WERE NOT APPOINTED FOR THE VACANCY TOMORROW ALSO THEREFORE BE A PART OF THE FIVE THAT ARE GOING TO BE INTERVIEWING NEXT MONTH? I WOULD SAY, YEAH. I MEAN, THERE'S NOTHING THAT PREVENTS THEM FROM DOING THAT, RIGHT? RIGHT. I WOULD SAY IT'S AT THE PLEASURE OF COUNCIL OR AT THEIR PLEASURE IF THEY DECIDE THEY WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN. OKAY. SO THEORETICALLY WE MIGHT HAVE EIGHT IF THE THREE THAT DON'T GET APPOINTED TOMORROW WANT TO PARTICIPATE AGAIN FOR THE TWO VACANCIES.

OKAY. JUST WANTED TO TRY TO GET IT RIGHT IN MY HEAD.

THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. I KEPT SAYING TOMORROW.

I MEANT WEDNESDAY FOR OUR VOTE. YES, WE COULD DO WHAT YOU SAID, KRAMER.

OH. OKAY. I'M SORRY, BUT WE COULD POSSIBLY INTERVIEW ALL OF THOSE CANDIDATES AT THAT PARTICULAR POINT, OR THEY'LL REAPPLY IF THOSE WHO DIDN'T.

YES. OKAY. IT'S A PLEASURE, COUNCIL. IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T MIND HAVING A TWO YEAR SEAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE HERE TODAY. THE PEOPLE WHO INTERVIEW AT THE NEXT MEETING AT THE NEXT WORKSHOP MEETING, THEY'RE GOING FOR A FULL THREE YEAR SEAT OF ANDREW MAYER, WHO IS NOT REAPPLYING AND A FULL THREE YEAR SEAT OF OUR ALTERNATE, MR. COOPER. THREE. OKAY. OKAY. ONE MORE QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION.

IF MR.. MR. COOPER DOESN'T GET SELECTED TODAY, HE'LL STILL BE THE ALTERNATE FOR THE BALANCE OF HIS TERM.

HIS ALTERNATE SEAT IS OVER, THOUGH. APRIL 30TH.

OH, IN A MONTH. OKAY. OKAY. GOT IT. SO IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING.

IF IT'S ALRIGHT. SURE. I'LL GO FORWARD THEN WITH MR. JOE BLOEMKER. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE ON THAT MORNING. GOOD MORNING. A CROWDED FIELD.

AND IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.

SURE. MY NAME IS JOE BLOEMKER. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF PORT ROYAL NAPLES SINCE 2020.

I HAVE SERVED ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION FOR PORT ROYAL FOR THE PAST.

I'M IN MY FOURTH YEAR NOW, AND I I THINK I HAVE DEMONSTRATED CAPABILITIES THROUGH THAT, INVOLVEMENT THAT ACTUALLY HAS SIGNIFICANCE HERE.

SO THE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH, MOST NOTABLY HAVE BEEN INFRASTRUCTURE IN NATURE UTILITIES, VERY SPECIFICALLY THE COMMUNITY HAS WANTED TO BE UNDERGROUNDED FOR SOME TIME.

THE COMMUNITY HAS WANTED TO HAVE NATURAL GAS FOR SOME TIME.

WHEN I CAME ON THE SCENE WE WERE KIND OF IN A, IN A RUT.

THERE REALLY WASN'T ANY ACTIVITY OF CONSEQUENCE.

I HAVE MY BACKGROUND IS I FOUNDED A TECHNOLOGY CONSULTING COMPANY 27 YEARS AGO, AND I'VE BEEN ACCUSTOMED TO HELPING COMPLEX ENTITIES DEAL WITH VERY COMPREHENSIVE CHALLENGES.

AND IN MANY CASES, THOSE CHALLENGES, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SO VAST FOLKS ARE NOT REALLY KNOWING HOW TO GET STARTED.

HAVING A TOUGH TIME WITH PRIORITIES, THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES.

BUT THE OTHER THE OTHER ASPECT OF THINGS I'VE LEARNED IS THAT YOU CAN ONLY REALLY GET THINGS ACCOMPLISHED IF YOU GET LEADERSHIP ALIGNED ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.

AND SO WHEN I GOT INVOLVED IN THIS UTILITIES COMMITTEE, THE FIRST THING I DID WAS I REACHED OUT TO THE CEO OF FPL, AND I REACHED OUT TO THE CEO OF TECO, EXPLAINED THE SITUATION, THE FACT THAT THIS HAD BEEN GOING ON FOR SOME TIME, IT WAS CRAZY THAT IT WAS TAKING THIS LONG AND ASKED THAT THEY EACH ASSIGN AN EXECUTIVE TO WORK WITH US TO GET THIS FIGURED OUT.

FAST FORWARD TO TODAY. WE HAVE SAVED OUR COMMUNITY OVER $120 MILLION AS FAR AS THE COSTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE ASSOCIATED.

THE FPL UNDERGROUNDING IS ACTUALLY IN PERMITTING AT THIS POINT.

FPL IS GOING TO BE DOING ALL OF THAT UNDERGROUNDING ON ITS OWN NICKEL.

IN TYCHO'S CASE WE ACTUALLY STARTED WORKING WITH THE CITY WORKING WITH MAYOR HARTMAN, WORKING WITH OUR CITY MANAGER YOUNG AND

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AND WE ACTUALLY WE PARTICIPATED IN MEETINGS. WE FACILITATED MEETINGS THAT TOOK PLACE WITH THE GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, WITH THE EXECUTIVES FROM FPL AND TICO. AND SO IN ADDITION TO WHAT'S BEING DONE FOR TICO WITH TICO IN PORT ROYAL WHAT ACTUALLY IS OCCURRING IS WE'RE, WE'RE WEEKS AWAY FROM SUBSTANTIAL NATURAL GAS CAPACITY INCREASES FOR THIS REGION THAT HAVE ALL COME OUT OF THE INTERACTIONS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE.

AND TICO BEING MORE CONFIDENT IN THE INVESTMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED IN ORDER TO FACILITATE THAT.

SO THE, THE OTHER AREA THAT HAS COME UP AS. AS A NEW AREA OF FOCUS FOR THE.

THE ASSOCIATION WAS A RECOGNITION THAT OUR ISSUES AREN'T JUST ISSUES THAT ARE IN THE CITY.

WE WERE TALKING EARLIER ABOUT NAPLES BAY AND THE FACT YOU GOT TO HAVE THE COUNTY INVOLVED STAY INVOLVED WITH THINGS. AND SO THE OTHER ACTION THAT I TOOK ON IN MY RESPONSIBILITIES WITH THE ASSOCIATION WAS TO RALLY THE THE STATE DELEGATION.

SO REACHED OUT TO SENATOR PASSIDOMO AND HER TEAM TO YVETTE ROCHE HER TEAM LAUREN MELLO, HER TEAM, AND ACTUALLY GOTTEN ALL THOSE FOLKS IN THE SAME ROOM, STARTED WORKING WITH COUNCILMAN PENNIMAN ON THE NAPLES SOUTH BEACH RENOURISHMENT ISSUES. MAYOR HEITMAN HAS HELPED WITH THAT AS WELL.

THE CITY MANAGER STAFF ALSO. AND SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE PEOPLE TALKING AND WORKING TOGETHER TO TRY AND FIND RESOLUTION.

AND SO, YOU KNOW, AS I, AS I REFLECT ON THE SCENARIO HERE IN, IN THE CITY I'M STRUCK BY THE COMPLEXITY OF THE CHALLENGES, THE MAGNITUDE OF THE CHALLENGES THAT EXIST YOU KNOW, SO AREAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE STORMWATER, THE RESILIENCY, THE WATER, WATER MANAGEMENT IN GENERAL, THE, THE TRAFFIC CHALLENGES, THERE ARE SO MANY THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED.

AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT I HAVE GOT, I'VE BEEN SO IMPRESSED WITH OUR NEW CITY MANAGER THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE CHANGE THAT I'VE SEEN IN CITY STAFF, THE ENERGY AND CONFIDENCE AND ENTHUSIASM I SEE IN THE CITY STAFF.

AND, AND THEN IN, IN OUR RECENT ELECTION WE HAVE THREE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL SAID THE RIGHT THINGS FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, AS FAR AS THE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE, THE COLLABORATION COOPERATION THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE IN THE REGION THE, THE, THE FACT THAT WE NEED TO HAVE MORE PARTICIPATION FROM, FROM THE COMMUNITIES. THIS IS A, THIS NAPLES IS A CITY OF COMMUNITIES.

BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD ALL THOSE COMMUNITIES PARTICIPATING TO THE DEGREE THEY COULD OR SHOULD BE THAT I THINK THEY WANT TO PARTICIPATE.

AND SO YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY WHAT HAS COMPELLED ME TO STEP FORWARD.

I THINK IT'S THE COMBINATION OF MY BACKGROUND AND EAGERNESS.

THAT CONSULTING COMPANY, BY THE WAY, WAS ACQUIRED BY ACCENTURE LAST YEAR.

I'M NOT READY TO RETIRE. I'M OUT BECAUSE THEY NEED TO TAKE CONTROL.

BUT BUT I AM I, AND I REALIZE THIS COMMITTEE, SEEMINGLY A LOT OF THE COMMITTEE'S FOLKS HAVE POLITICAL ASPIRATIONS.

I HAVE ZERO, I WANT TO GET THINGS DONE ON A DAILY BASIS.

HONESTLY, I WOULD FIND YOUR JOB TO BE VERY FRUSTRATING BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO SIT THROUGH THESE LONG MEETINGS ALL THE TIME, AND IT'S LIKE, I WANT TO JUST BE DOING THINGS.

I WANT TO HAVE IMPACT. AND SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY I'VE APPLIED FOR THIS POSITION.

WELL, AND FOLKS, THAT'S WHAT LEADERSHIP LOOKS LIKE.

AND THAT'S YOU, SIR. SO THANK YOU. I DO WONDER SOMETIMES IF, IF WE COULDN'T BE MORE EFFECTIVE, IF WE WEREN'T SITTING HERE ON THE DAIS WITH OUR CONNECTIONS.

SO THANK YOU, SIR. WITH THAT COUNCIL QUESTIONS.

COUNCIL MEMBER PITMAN. MR.. I MET WITH YOU SOMEWHAT INSTANTANEOUSLY, QUITE FRANKLY, BUT HOPEFULLY WE'VE GOT SOME TRACTION ON THAT PARTICULAR PROBLEM, WHICH IS GREAT. YOU KNOW, THESE MEETINGS GO ON FOR A WHILE.

YES. OKAY. AND YOU HAVE WATCHED THEM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT.

CERTAINLY. WE HAVE TO ADMIT, I PUT IT ON TWO TIMES.

OKAY. SO ON THE VIDEO, YOU CAN YOU CAN MAKE IT GO FASTER, I DO THAT.

MAYBE. SO MAYBE WE SHOULD PUT OURSELVES ON. I, I APPRECIATE WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO.

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OKAY. AND I THINK PERHAPS ANOTHER WAY TO ANSWER THAT IS TODAY I HAVE A LOT OF PERCEPTIONS, BUT I ACTUALLY I REALIZED THAT ENGAGEMENT IS THE ONLY WAY THAT I CAN REALLY UNDERSTAND AND, AND MAKE CERTAIN THAT I'M FOCUSED ON THE THINGS THAT ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE IMPACT. MANY OF US THAT ARE SITTING HERE TODAY WERE ON THE PAVE MANY TIMES.

I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING. CONGRATULATIONS.

THANK YOU FOR APPLYING. SURE. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ.

THANK YOU FOR APPLYING. I'M JUST COMING FROM THE PAB.

THERE ARE SOME A LOT OF A LOT OF FRUSTRATIONS THERE TOO.

WHEN YOU DO ALL THE WORK YOU DO. AND THEN SOMETIMES IT GETS TO THIS PART AND THEY JUST OVERRULE YOU.

SO IF YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GET A LOT OF STUFF DONE WITHOUT INTERFERENCE, YOU MIGHT WANT TO REGAUGE AND CALIBRATE THAT.

BUT THANK YOU FOR DOING IT. HAVING BEEN THERE, IT CAN BE VERY FRUSTRATING AT TIMES AS THIS CAN BE FRUSTRATING AS WELL.

BUT IT'S GOOD THAT YOU STEP FORWARD WILLING TO DO THIS.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. CHALLENGES AND OPPORTUNITIES, SIR.

OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? BARTON? YEAH. JUST IT IS.

IT CAN THIS CAN BE THIS PROCESS CAN BE FRUSTRATING.

I'D LIKE TO THINK THAT WE'RE OCCASIONALLY IMPACTFUL, BUT YOU'D MENTIONED THAT THERE'S A FAST FORWARD BUTTON AND I CAN'T SEEM TO FIND THAT ON THE DAIS UP HERE. SO IF YOU COULD POINT THAT OUT FOR ME AFTER THIS MEETING, THAT'D BE GREAT. OKAY.

THANK YOU. MAYBE MUTE. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. WELL, WE APPRECIATE YOU APPLYING AND FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO THE COMMUNITY.

I HAVE ONE QUESTION, THOUGH, BECAUSE YOU HAVE BEEN SO SUCCESSFUL IN PORT ROYAL AND BEING ON THEIR BOARD, AND THEY HAVE OBVIOUSLY CODES THAT SEPARATE THEMSELVES FROM OTHER AREAS WITHIN THE CITY.

WHAT PARTICULAR THINGS ARE YOU LOOKING AT WHEN YOU'RE OR YOU WANT TO LOOK AT FOR THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD? WELL, I THINK THAT THE, THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT RESILIENCY AND TRAFFIC ARE SUCH OVERARCHING CHALLENGES.

I WOULD WANT TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT ALL THOSE ISSUES ARE BEING WEAVED INTO WHATEVER CHANGES WE MIGHT BE CONTEMPLATING.

AND, AND THE ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS THAT WE TAKE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. OH, HAVE YOU BEEN PARTICIPATING IN ANY OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE MEETINGS, WORKSHOPS? I HAVE TO ADMIT, I'VE ONLY. WELL, I'VE OBSERVED THEM, BUT I'VE ONLY REALLY HAD MY INPUTS THROUGH OUR ASSOCIATION'S INVOLVEMENT. THAT'S WHERE I'VE CHANNELED FEEDBACK.

OKAY. IF YOU'RE SELECTED FOR THIS ROLE, IT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU WITH YOUR BACKGROUND TO HELP BRING TOGETHER ALL THE COMPLEX ISSUES WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH, HOW TO PRIORITIZE THEM, HOW TO WORK ON THEM, AND HOPEFULLY MAKE PROGRESS.

AND I GUESS I'M ONE OF THE ONES THAT NEEDS TO TALK FASTER.

AND I DO THANK YOU FOR RECOGNIZING THE CITY MANAGER, BECAUSE THESE COMPLEX ISSUES HAVE BECOME MUCH EASIER FOR US WITH HIS LEADERSHIP.

SO THANK YOU SIR. YOU BET. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT APPLICANT IS OUR CURRENT ALTERNATE, GARY COOPER.

GOOD MORNING AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

AND GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL STAFF. GARY COOPER, I LIVE IN OLD NAPLES.

ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE ON PEB? I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF BEING ON THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD THIS PAST YEAR AS THE ALTERNATE.

ALTHOUGH I HAVE BEEN TO ALL THE MEETINGS, I'M HERE ALL YEAR ROUND AND I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO VOTE BECAUSE OF ABSENCES.

SO I HAVE PARTICIPATED IN ALL THE ISSUES THAT HAVE COME BEFORE US.

AND MY MAIN REASON TO RE-APPLY IS TO FINISH THE MOST THING, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT WE'RE ALL WORKING ON NOW, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN AND HOW IMPORTANT THAT IS TO THE WHOLE CITY, EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NEIGHBORHOODS AND PECULIARITIES IN EACH NEIGHBORHOOD.

MANY OF THESE SITUATIONS ARE THESE SOLUTIONS WOULD APPLY TO ALL OF NAPLES, EVEN THOUGH THERE MIGHT BE DIFFERENT ENGINEERING THINGS THAT GO ON. BUT IN GENERAL, WITH THE LANDSCAPE THAT WE HAVE HERE TODAY, I REALLY FEEL THAT WE HAVE A CHANCE TO DO THIS IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.

AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY MAKE THINGS HAPPEN INSTEAD OF JUST THE LANGUAGE THAT GOES INTO THE

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SO IF WE CAN GET TO DO THESE THINGS, THEN THERE'S PEOPLE THAT SEEM TO HAVE IDEAS OF HOW TO ACTUALLY DO IT INSTEAD OF MORE SURVEYS AND CONSULTING PROJECTS. YOU KNOW, WE REALLY HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE FORWARD AND THAT SOLVES SO MANY PROBLEMS FOR THE RESIDENTS.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT'S ABOUT ANYWAY, THE RESIDENTS.

SO IT'S NOT ONE PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD OR IT'S, IT'S, IT'S PULLING IT ALL TOGETHER, BUT ACTUALLY FINDING THE WAYS TO START DOING THINGS INFRASTRUCTURE WISE. THANK YOU. COUNCIL QUESTIONS.

COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ. MR. COOPER THANK YOU FOR SERVING AS AN ALTERNATE.

I SAW THAT YOU WORKED WITH ME FREQUENTLY THERE IN YOUR OBSERVATIONS, HAVING BEEN THE ALTERNATE.

AND THEN WHEN YOU JUMPED IN TO BAIL US OUT WHEN WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH, WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT YOU WOULD ADD TO THE TO THE THE COMMITTEE.

NOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN A PART OF IT, YOU KNOW, UP CLOSE AND PERSONAL.

ALTHOUGH HE'S NOT ALWAYS CASTING A VOTE THAT MATTERED. BUT YOU WERE THERE. WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT THE EXPERIENCE YOU'VE HAD AS AN ALTERNATE ON THE PAB WOULD LEND TO YOUR ACTUALLY GETTING FILLED FOR THE FULL TIME POSITION THAT I LEFT? THANK YOU. WELL, THE OBVIOUS ONE ANSWER WOULD BE I COULD VOTE MORE OFTEN OR ALL THE TIME.

THE OTHER THING IS, EVEN AS AN ALTERNATE, YOU STILL GET TO LISTEN AND ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT ABOUT THINGS THAT YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, THAT TO THE THE PETITIONERS OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO YOU'RE STILL YOU'RE STILL INVOLVED THAT WAY.

AND I JUST FEEL AS, AS A, AS A PERMANENT MEMBER FOR A TWO YEAR TERM, EVEN OR ANY TERM THAT I, YOU KNOW, I JUST FEEL THAT I, I COULD BE MORE ENGAGED AND MORE INFLUENTIAL.

THANK YOU. SO AM I HEARING YOU SAY THAT YOU YOU THINK THAT BY STEPPING UP TO THE FULL TIME SLOT, THAT THE EXPERIENCE YOU'VE HAD IN THE BRIEF PERIOD THAT YOU'VE BEEN THERE, THAT WOULD BE A HUGE PLUS AND ADVANTAGE FOR YOU? YES. I COULD BUILD ON WHAT I LEARNED AND I COULD CONTINUE TO TO PARTICIPATE IN A POSITIVE FASHION TO YOU KNOW, AS AN ADVISORY POSITION, BUT TO WEIGH IN ON, ON THE, ON THE SALIENT POINTS AND, AND WHAT, WHAT CAN ACTUALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO GET THINGS DONE AND, AND TO CREATE ONE OF THE THINGS I'M PASSIONATE ABOUT IS THE PENDULUM RESTING IN THE MIDDLE AND ALSO CREATING A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR THE TOTAL COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CARL. AND THEN MR. COOPER, YOU'RE STILL WORKING? I AM, I'M A REALTOR. OKAY. AND YOU FOUND ENOUGH TIME TO.

SO WHAT IS YOUR ATTENDANCE BEEN RELATIVE TO. AS AN ALTERNATE RELATIVE TO THE A B, I'VE NEVER MISSED A MEETING.

OKAY, SO YOUR ATTENDANCE HAS BEEN 100%. YES. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. RELATIVE TO RESILIENCY. WHAT WOULD BE THE WHAT WOULD BE THE FIRST THING YOU'D WANT TO TAKE ON THE STORMWATER IS TO ME, WHAT IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE OF THE RESILIENCY? I THINK IT ANSWERS A LOT OF THE QUESTIONS AND SOLVES A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON.

AND THE STORM ILLUSTRATED ALL THAT BECAUSE FOR YEARS THEY DIDN'T, THEY KICKED IT DOWN THE ROAD AND LUCKILY THERE WASN'T THAT ISSUE.

BUT NOW THAT WE'VE LEARNED THAT WE UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, IN A PROJECT LIKE THE MIRACLE MILE, HOW THAT LEADS THE WAY NOW THAT THE FOUR SEASONS IS IN THERE WHAT'S HAPPENED DOWN ON THIRD STREET? SO WE, WE, WE SEE WHAT WHAT PEOPLE WILL DO GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY.

SO WE HAVE TO HAVE A SITUATION WHERE OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE REDEVELOPMENT.

BUT I LIKE TO LOOK AT IT AS IMPROVEMENT. REDEVELOPMENT.

IS IT BETTER THAN IT WAS TO THE PEOPLE LIKE IT? DO THEY CAN THEY ENJOY IT? CAN THEY PARTICIPATE IN USING IT? SO WHEN WHEN I LOOK AT RESILIENCY, THE FIRST THING HAS TO BE WHERE PEOPLE CAN LIVE HERE AND NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT EVERY

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IN OTHER WORDS, AN IMPROVEMENT OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

I THINK THAT'S THE FIRST TASK AT HAND. AND THAT'S THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE HAVE TO FOCUS BECAUSE THAT WILL CREATE ABILITY FOR PEOPLE TO GET INSURANCE BECAUSE WE'LL BE WILL THE CODES WILL BE ACTUALLY, IT WILL BE BETTER THAN THE CODES BECAUSE PEOPLE AND HOW TO ENGAGE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ON THESE STREETS TO PARTICIPATE, TO IMPROVE THE FRONT OF THEIR PROPERTIES, TO PARTICIPATE IN THE WHOLE PROGRAM, NOT JUST TO HAVE THE CITY DIG UP THE STREETS, BUT TO HAVE PEOPLE NOW SAY, GEE, HERE'S OUR OPPORTUNITY TO TO DEAL WITH OUR OUR HEIGHT, OUR ELEVATION, TO DEAL WITH THE DRAINAGE, TO DEAL. AND ALL OF THIS ENDS UP WITH WATER QUALITY, WHICH IS SUCH A BIG ISSUE AND WAS A BIG ISSUE IN THE CAMPAIGN.

AND ONE THING LEADS TO ANOTHER AND IT ALL IT ALL ENABLES THAT.

SO TO ME, THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIGGEST THING WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH TODAY.

AND IF WE CAN DO THAT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, THERE'LL BE A LOT OF HAPPY PEOPLE HERE, I THINK. WELL, I HATE TO BURST YOUR BUBBLE, BUT PERMITTING CAN TAKE TWO YEARS.

SO BUT TO HAVE A GOOD PLAN WOULD PROBABLY BE.

I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE GOING, BUT IT HAS TO START SOMEWHERE.

THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO PERMIT.

UNDERSTAND? SO WE'RE ONLY AN ADVISORY BOARD, BUT IT'S IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO WEIGH IN IT TO AT LEAST PRESENT THINGS, IDEAS THAT COULD WORK FOR YOU PEOPLE. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL MEMBER GIRL. YES. I HAD THE HONOR AND PRIVILEGE TO LEARN A LOT ABOUT GARY WORK WITH HIM.

AND WHEN I WAS RUNNING FOR A CAMPAIGN, HE. HE WAS PERSONALLY THREW HIS HAT IN THE RING.

I'VE NEVER SEEN SOMEBODY WITH SUCH HIGH PASSION AND HEART FOR THE CITY.

I MEAN, HE REALLY SPENT A LOT OF HIS PERSONAL TIME TRYING TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY.

AND I CLICKED WITH THAT IMMEDIATELY AND WORK WITH THEM.

DID A REAL ESTATE DEAL WITH THEM, EVEN. I MEAN, I'VE DONE, WE'VE I THINK HE'S A TREMENDOUS PERSON.

I THINK HIS COMMITMENT AND HEART TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND HIS PASSION ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

HE'S BEEN TOTALLY ENGAGED IN THAT. I'VE SEEN HIM AT THE MEETINGS THERE, AND HE'S DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB TO TRY TO DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY AND THE RESIDENTS, AND HE'S TRULY A RESIDENT FIRST TYPE OF PERSON.

MY EXPERIENCE. THANK YOU. OKAY. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO CONTINUE TO SERVE.

THANK YOU. OUR NEXT APPLICANT IS SALLY PETERSON.

GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU FOR APPLYING.

YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. SURE. I'M SALLY PETERSON.

I LIVE AT 376 FIRST AVENUE NORTH IN NAPLES, AND I'VE PREPARED A FEW REMARKS, IF THAT'S.

WOULD THAT PLEASE THE COUNCIL? IF I COULD COVER THOSE.

FIRST, I WANT TO CONGRATULATE THE NEWEST MEMBERS OF CITY COUNCIL, TED BLANKENSHIP, JOHN KRULL, SCOTT SCHULTZ. CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN ON YOUR WINNING THE ELECTION.

AS I MYSELF WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL IN WINNING A SEAT ON CITY COUNCIL.

I REMAIN UNDETERRED IN MY MISSION TO SERVE THIS COMMUNITY THAT I LOVE SO MUCH, AND TO DO SO IN A MEANINGFUL WAY.

WE'VE ALL HEARD IT SAID THAT NAPLES IS AT AN INFLECTION POINT.

THERE'S PROBABLY NO BETTER OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS COMMUNITY TO DIRECT AND INFLUENCE ITS FUTURE QUALITY OF LIFE THAN THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS.

AS YOU KNOW, A WORKING DRAFT WAS PRESENTED TO POB AND DISCUSSED AT POB LAST WEEK, AND POB BOARD MEMBERS PROVIDED INSIGHT, ADVICE AND RECOMMENDATIONS. THIS WORK IS CONSISTENT WITH THE STATED PURPOSE OF THE PAB TO PREPARE AND RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND TO PERFECT IT. WHILE THE PREPARATION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS IN THE HANDS OF CONSULTANTS, IT IS THIS WORK TO PERFECT IT THAT I FIND SO COMPELLING, INSPIRING, AND IMPACTFUL.

I BELIEVE MY KNOWLEDGE, SKILLS AND EXPERIENCES WOULD MAKE ME A GREAT FIT FOR THE PAB.

AS YOU KNOW, I'M A FORMER ANN ARBOR CITY COUNCIL MEMBER WHERE I ALSO SERVED ON THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, THE BROWNFIELD AUTHORITY, AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION.

I ALSO MIGHT ADD THAT MY PRIVATE SECTOR AND NOT FOR PROFIT LEADERSHIP EXPERIENCE IS ALSO ON MY RESUME, WHICH YOU HAVE IN THE AGENDA PACKET. I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT AT ONE POINT I WAS PRESIDENT ELECT AND THEN PRESIDENT OF THE JUNIOR LEAGUE OF ANN ARBOR.

AND THIS IS RELEVANT BECAUSE AS PART OF THE JUNIOR LEAGUE, LEADERS ARE REQUIRED TO BE WELL TRAINED IN ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.

SO AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MEETING EFFECTIVENESS AND MEETING EFFICIENCY, I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IN MY PUBLIC SECTOR,

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AND I'VE, I'VE BEEN SUCCESSFUL AT DOING THAT.

COLLECTIVELY, THESE RESPONSIBILITIES HAVE REQUIRED ME TO CONDUCT CRITICAL ANALYSIS OF DATA AND FACTS AND TO PLAN STRATEGICALLY, WHICH ALSO MEANS TO CONSIDER FUTURE OUTCOMES, AS WELL AS BOTH THE INTENDED AND UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE.

AGAIN, I BELIEVE THESE SKILLS AND EXPERIENCES WOULD MAKE ME AN EFFECTIVE DELIBERATOR OF BOTH THE LEGISLATIVE AND QUASI JUDICIAL FUNCTIONS OF THE PAB.

AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IF YOU WERE TO APPOINT ME, YOU CAN COUNT ON ME TO ASK INFORMED AND RELEVANT QUESTIONS, TO ADVOCATE FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO PAB PROTOCOLS AND EFFECTIVENESS WHEN NECESSARY, AND TO CONSIDER THE IMPACTS ON RESILIENCY AND ON OUR RESIDENTS AS WE MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS AND GIVE ADVICE TO COUNCILS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND I LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR APPLICATION.

COUNCIL DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MISS PETERSON? YES, BENJAMIN. SO WE'VE JUST APPOINTED YOU CHAIR.

WHAT WOULD BE THE WHAT WOULD BE THE FIRST THREE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE QUESTION AS CHAIR.

I WOULD ACTUALLY LOOK AT MEETING PROTOCOLS AND EFFECTIVENESS AND EFFICIENCY.

I WILL SAY THIS HAVING WATCHED SOME RECENT MEETINGS AND FOLLOWED WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE PAB IN THE LAST YEAR, MY OBSERVATION IS THAT THERE SEEMS TO BE A TRUST GAP BETWEEN THE PAB AND THE PLANNING STAFF.

AND I THINK AS CHAIR, I WOULD WANT TO USE MY LEADERSHIP AS A WAY TO REPAIR SOME OF THAT TRUST AND ENSURE THAT PEOPLE ARE BEING HEARD AND THAT PAB IS NOT ASKING TOO MUCH OF THE PLANNING STAFF AS WELL.

I'LL GIVE TWO EXAMPLES. I WILL GIVE YOU ONE. IN THE LAST YEAR, THERE WAS A RESOLUTION FROM STAFF TO REMOVE WHAT I THINK WAS A QUASI JUDICIAL FUNCTION OF THE PAB, WHICH CITY COUNCIL THEN DENIED.

BUT THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF WHEN PAB WAS ASKING FOR I GUESS A LIST OF ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS. AND TO ME THAT JUST FEELS LIKE THERE'S LIKE AN IMBALANCE IN TERMS OF EXPECTATIONS.

AND I THINK THAT AS CHAIR, I WOULD WANT TO OPEN THAT DISCUSSION AND MAKE SURE THAT MAYBE THERE ARE MORE WORKSHOP MEETINGS WITH STAFF TO SORT OF REPAIR THAT ISSUE.

I MIGHT ALSO ADD THAT YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, EQUITABLE, EQUITABLE REPRESENTATION ON ALL OF OUR BOARDS BY NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY BY GENDER AS WELL. IT'S BEEN A COUPLE OF YEARS SINCE THERE'S BEEN A WOMAN ON THE BOARD.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A WEALTH OF RESEARCH THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, WOMEN ARE GOOD AT FOSTERING TRUST.

SO AS I RECALL, WHEN YOU RAN, YOU SORT OF PUNCTUATED THE FACT THAT YOU CAME FROM A FAIRLY COMPLICATED SITUATION FROM ANN ARBOR WITH THE UNIVERSITY THERE. YES. IF YOU WERE TO SUGGEST THAT NAPLES SORT OF HAS THAT SAME SORT OF BALANCING SITUATION, WHAT WOULD BE THE ANVIL OVER HERE THAT WOULD BE SIMILAR TO THE UNIVERSITY? IT WOULD BE THE COUNTY. I'VE MADE I'VE DRAWN THAT COMPARISON MANY TIMES IN ANN ARBOR WITHIN THE 26MI² THAT IS ANN ARBOR.

YOU HAVE STATE PROPERTY AND YOU HAVE CITY PROPERTY.

UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN DOESN'T PAY PROPERTY TAXES AND THEY DO NOT FOLLOW LOCAL LAW.

YET THE CITY OF ANN ARBOR, CITY OF ANN ARBOR, THEIR BUDGET IS TO THE GENERAL BUDGET IS REQUIRED TO PAY FOR ALL THE STREETS AND UTILITIES AND EVERYTHING THAT UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN USES, BUT THEY DON'T PAY FOR THAT.

WHY THE COLLIER COUNTY AND CITY OF NAPLES THE RELATIONSHIP IS RELEVANT.

YOU HAVE TWO DIFFERENT LEGISLATIVE JURISDICTIONS.

AND SO THAT'S SORT OF COLLIER COUNTY USES A LOT OF THE NAPLES SERVICES BUT DOESN'T NECESSARILY PAY FOR THEM.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ. THANK YOU FOR APPLYING FOR THE POSITION.

I'VE GOT SOME ISSUES. QUESTIONS. EXCUSE ME ABOUT SOME MATTERS THAT DO GO BACK TO YOUR ANN ARBOR DAYS AND NOT.

BUT THE PRIMARY ONE WAS THIS THE 14 STOREY BUILDING.

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THERE WAS A 413 EAST HURON. ANYTHING ELSE BEFORE I CONTINUE? NO, I'M JUST SAYING I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO 413 EAST HURON.

WELL, THERE WEREN'T A LOT OF 14 STOREY BUILDINGS IN YOUR VOTE.

WAS THE ONE TO PASS IT 6 TO 5. AND AS I LOOK AT THAT, WHEN YOU CAMPAIGNED THERE, YOU WERE ANTI-GROWTH AND YOU WERE A PART OF THAT FACTION FROM EAST LANSING, JUST 60 MILES AWAY.

UNIVERSITY TOWN. SO I HAVE SOME FAMILIARITY WITH THAT IN THE PRESS COVERAGE OF YOU AND MLIVE WAS, WAS PRETTY INTERESTING. YOUR POSITION, AS I UNDERSTOOD IT TO BE WAS THAT YOU WERE SAVING THE CITY SIGNIFICANT SUMS AND POTENTIAL LITIGATION COSTS.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES. THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE ADVICE THAT WE GOT IN EXECUTIVE SESSION FROM OUR ATTORNEYS WAS THAT A LAWSUIT WAS REAL. I MIGHT ADD, I DID NOT CAMPAIGN ON ANTI-GROWTH.

THEN WHAT WAS IT? I CAMPAIGNED ON BEING A VOICE OF THE RESIDENTS.

JUST AS I DID HERE. IF YOU'RE REFERRING TO WHEN I CAMPAIGNED IN IN ANN ARBOR, IT WAS VERY MUCH.

YEAH. BEING VOICED. IT WAS NOT SPECIFICALLY PRO OR ANTI-GROWTH.

IF ANYTHING, IT WAS BALANCED GROWTH. SORRY. YOU ALSO ASKED ME ABOUT THERE'S A SECOND PART OF THAT QUESTION.

YES, THERE ARE A FEW. NO. THE ISSUE THAT. OH, ABOUT THE LAWSUIT.

YEAH. SO THE POTENTIAL LAWSUIT THAT THE OTHER THERE'S 11 MEMBERS ON THE CITY COUNCIL IN ANN ARBOR.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY. AND SO IT'S YOUR CONTENTION THEN THAT THE OTHER TEN PEOPLE DIDN'T CARE ABOUT LITIGATION AGAINST THE CITY ON THAT ONE MATTER? NO, THAT'S NOT TRUE AT ALL. OKAY. NO, IT WAS A65 VOTE.

AND THE REASON WHY, YOU KNOW, NO ONE LIKED THE BUILDING.

IT WAS INCOMPATIBLE WITH ITS SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.

BUT IT WAS BY RIGHT. THE IT FIT THE ZONING. AND SO I UPHELD THE ZONING THAT WE THAT HAD PREVIOUS BEFORE I WAS ON CITY COUNCIL, THAT ZONING EXISTED TO ALLOW FOR THAT BUILDING.

AND THAT'S WHY THE LAWSUIT WAS REAL, AND THAT'S WHY I VOTED AGAINST WHAT MAYBE THE PEOPLE IN MY WARD WHO ELECTED ME DIDN'T WANT ME TO VOTE FOR THAT, THAT BUILDING. BUT I WAS REPRESENTING EVERYBODY IN ANN ARBOR, ALL 125,000 RESIDENTS.

I DID NOT WANT EVERYONE. AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A VERY FRAGILE GENERAL SERVICES BUDGET BECAUSE THE UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN DOESN'T CONTRIBUTE. WE KIND OF FUMBLE FORWARD EVERY YEAR ON MAKING BUDGET.

WE COULD NOT AFFORD THAT LAWSUIT. AND SO IT'S YOUR CONTENTION THAT YOUR COLLEAGUES DIDN'T CARE ABOUT IT EITHER? NO, THEY DIDN'T CARE ABOUT IT. WE. THE VOTE WAS 6 TO 5, MR. SCHULTZ. YES. LET'S STAY FOCUSED ON THINGS FOR THE PAB, PLEASE.

NO, I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT. IF YOU'RE DEALING WITH A GROWTH ISSUE, THE PAB DEALS WITH THE GROWTH ISSUE AND BUILDING ISSUES.

AND I'M LOOKING FOR CHARACTER AND CONSISTENCY.

AND SO IF SOMEONE IS GOING TO SAY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO APPLY THE STANDARDS FROM THEIR PRIOR EXPERIENCES, WHICH SHE SAID. SHE ALSO POINTED OUT THAT SHE'S THE FEMALE AND SHE WANTS DIVERSIFICATION, BUT IF SHE GETS ON THE BOARD, THERE'S GOING TO BE 4 OR 5 MEMBERS FROM ONA. AND THAT CONCENTRATION OF WEIGHT WITHIN THE ONA, I THINK, IS SOMETHING THAT MATTERS. IT SHOULD PEOPLE SHOULD PAY ATTENTION TO IT.

BUT THERE WERE JUST INCONSISTENCIES THAT IT PERTAINS TO IF YOU'RE EVALUATING A PROJECT AND YOU RAN ON A CERTAIN WAY, YOU VOTE ANOTHER WAY BECAUSE IT'S YOUR JUDGMENT THAT LITIGATION IS GOING TO PUT THE CITY IN A BIGGER HOLE THAN YOU WOULD BE, CONTENDING THAT YOUR COLLEAGUES ON THE SAME SIDE OF THE AISLE THAT YOU ARE.

IS THAT SHE? THEN IT WAS A MAYOR'S PARTY. AN ANTI MAYOR PARTY IS WHAT I BELIEVE.

THE QUOTE WAS FROM MLIVE. AND SO I JUST WANT TO SEE HOW WOULD YOU FIT IN WITH THE PAB HERE IN THE CITY OF NAPLES? BECAUSE THERE'S A 14 STORY BUILDING THERE THAT A LOT OF FOLKS DIDN'T WANT, AND THEN YOU'RE HERE AND THAT'S STILL THERE.

BUT I THINK YOU'RE DRAWING AN ASSUMPTION THAT PART OF MY CAMPAIGN FOR CITY THAT I MIGHT HAVE RUN MY VOTE WAS COUNTER TO WHAT MY CAMPAIGN PHILOSOPHY WAS, AND IT WAS NOT AT ALL.

I VOTED TO PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF ANN ARBOR IN APPROVING THE BUILDING.

NOBODY REALLY LIKED, BUT IT WOULD HAVE PUT THE ENTIRE CITY AT VERY FISCAL, FISCALLY FRAGILE TIMES.

AND THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, TO PRESERVE AND PROTECT SELF HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF ALL RESIDENTS,

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MY RESPONSIBILITY IS TO EVERYBODY, AND THAT IS VERY CONSISTENT WITH HOW I RAN FOR CITY COUNCIL IN ANN ARBOR AND HOW I VOTED IN THAT PARTICULAR SITUATION.

DID YOU GIVE YOURSELF THE MONIKER SWING VOTE, SALLY? WELL, YEAH, I MEAN, THAT WAS IT. I KIND OF WAS A SWING VOTE IN THAT SITUATION BECAUSE IT WAS FIVE FIVE.

I WAS THE 11TH PERSON TO VOTE. I SWUNG IT TO SAVE THE CITY IN MY MIND.

OKAY. AND AND THE PAB IS AN ADVISORY BOARD, SO.

EXACTLY. OKAY. I'M GOING TO COMPLETE IF YOU'RE GOING TO KEEP RUNNING INTERFERENCE AND.

NO, BUT YOU'RE THE MAYOR. I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.

THANK YOU, MR. SCHULTZ. I MEAN, COUNCILMAN SCHULTZ.

THIS IS A NONPARTISAN RACE. THIS IS A NONPARTISAN BOARD.

THIS IS NONPARTISAN ELECTION. YOU CALL YOURSELF A LIFELONG DEMOCRAT, BUT THAT HAS NOTHING.

WHEN SHE MOVED HERE IN NOVEMBER OF 23, SHE WAS REGISTERED AS A DEMOCRAT.

SHE THEN MOVES AS A LIFELONG DEMOCRAT. SHE MOVES TO AN NPA IN LIEU OF RUNNING FOR CITY COUNCIL.

AND I THINK THAT THE POSTURING ON THAT LOOKS CURIOUS.

YOU EITHER ARE SOMETHING LONG TERM OR LIFELONG, AND THEN WHY WOULD YOU CHANGE IT FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO RUN FOR COUNCIL? I BELIEVE THIS ISN'T YOUR FIRST TIME. I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND.

YOU KNOW WHAT? ACTUALLY, I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO THIS. I KNOW, I'M SORRY, BUT THIS IS AN ELECTION QUESTION.

WE ARE A NONPARTISAN BOARD, AND I'D LIKE TO STICK WITH QUESTIONS THAT REFER TO THE PAB AND YOUR CANDIDACY.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THAT WOULD BE ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU MAYOR. THANK YOU. CLAPPING SEALS. SO GIVEN THAT'S THE POSTURE HERE, THAT A 14 STORY BUILDING IS NOT REALLY RELEVANT. AND PLATFORMS AND REGISTRATIONS SEEM TO COME AND GO.

THE END RESULT IS IF THIS WOMAN GETS ON, THERE'S GOING TO BE FOUR MEMBERS ON, ON A, ON THE P A B AND THERE MIGHT BE SOME ANGST IN THE COMMUNITY OVER THAT. AND IF MR. COOPER WERE TO GET ON, THAT WOULD MAKE IT FIVE FROM O AND A.

THANK YOU. I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN. AND I ALSO HOPE THAT AS STATED BY MANY OF THE CANDIDATES THAT THEY'RE RUNNING BECAUSE THEY CARE ABOUT THE ENTIRE CITY. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT THE CHARGES.

SO THAT WAS ON THERE. YES. YOU WERE. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER. WELL, THAT WAS GRACE UNDER PRESSURE.

THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU. AND I WAS GOING TO SAY ANYTHING, BUT I DO.

NOW, I'M GLAD THE QUESTION WAS BROUGHT UP BECAUSE IT IS GERMANE, THE FACT THAT WHAT COULD BE BUILT BY.

RIGHT. A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE WERE OPPOSING.

BUT YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW RULES, RIGHT? YOU DON'T HAVE TO LIKE THE PROJECT. YOU MAY HATE THE PROJECT NONETHELESS.

WHEN IT APPEARS IN THE CODE AS IT DOES AND IT IS BY RIGHT, THEN GUESS WHAT? YOU GET TO DO IT RIGHT? SO THAT WAS GERMANE. AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT YOU DID THAT IN THE FACE OF, OF NEIGHBORS WHO MIGHT HAVE MADE IT DIFFICULT ON YOU, WHICH HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

AND HERE'S WHAT ELSE HAPPENS UP HERE. AND THIS HAPPENED ON MY CHANGEOVER, MAYBE ON THIS CHANGEOVER. THERE'S PROJECTS THAT PEOPLE HATE, AND THEY GET FOLKS FIRED UP TO GET ELECTED AND GET ELECTED, AND THEY THINK THEY'RE GONNA DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED BY A PREVIOUS COUNCIL AND IT'S WAY DOWN THE ROAD. AND SO THEN THEY BECOME TALK ABOUT RUNNING INTERFERENCE. THEY BECOME HOSTILE TOWARDS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE PROJECT.

RIGHT. AND THAT ALSO, I THINK YOU WOULD AGREE, IS NOT OUR JOB.

AGAIN, WE FOLLOW OUR CODES AND ORDINANCES. AND I JUST AM SO GRATEFUL FOR YOU FOR AMPLIFYING THAT.

THANK YOU. BECAUSE THERE'S A BUNCH OF STUFF GOING ON THAT FOLKS WHO DO WATCH THESE MEETINGS THINK THAT WE CAN JUST WAVE A MAGIC WAND AND DO WHATEVER WE WANT TO DO, AND THAT'S JUST NOT THE CASE. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL.

WELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR COMMITMENT TO PERSEVERANCE AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE ON PAB.

THANK YOU FOR APPLYING. OUR LAST APPLICANT IS RAYMOND PETRENKO.

GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. GOOD MORNING.

THANK YOU FOR THIS WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY TO TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD AND TALK ABOUT MY MY CAREER, MY BACKGROUND. I'VE MOVED TO NAPLES, AND YOU ARE? OH. I'M SORRY. MY NAME IS RAYMOND PETRENKO. I THOUGHT EVERYBODY KNEW THAT MOVED TO NAPLES IN 2021.

AND UNFORTUNATELY WHEN I MOVED, I HAD TO GIVE UP A LOT OF THINGS.

I GAVE UP MY CAREER, WORKED 30 YEARS FOR THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, MANAGING THEIR DATA CENTER AND ALL THEIR PROGRAMMERS.

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I WAS A COUNCILMAN FOR 12 YEARS, ACTUALLY BECAME COUNCIL PRESIDENT WHEN I WAS ON THE COUNCIL.

AND THIS IS IN A TOWN CALLED SOUTH PLAINFIELD.

I WAS CHAIR OF ADMINISTRATION AND FINANCE. I WAS ALSO ON THE ZONING BOARDS AND I WAS ALSO AN ENVIRONMENTAL COMMISSION RECREATION SENIOR ADVISORY COMMISSION. I WAS INVOLVED IN BUILDING A NEW SENIOR CENTER.

I WAS INVOLVED IN BUILDING TURF FIELD, WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL TO TO WORK OUT WHERE WE, HOW WE COULD DO SHARED SERVICES, WHICH WAS A TOUGH THING TO DO TO WORK WITH A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SYSTEM.

I ALSO HAD THE OPPORTUNITY OF MANAGING WHEN I WAS ADMINISTRATION OF FINANCE, A $21 MILLION BUDGET FOR APPROXIMATELY 22,000 PEOPLE.

BUT ALSO A COUPLE OF YEARS LATER, BACK THEN, WE ARE OUR SCHOOL BUDGETS.

IF THEY WEREN'T VOTED DOWN, THEY WENT TO THE MUNICIPALITY.

SO I HAD THE JOB OF WORKING ON A $44 MILLION BUDGET THAT WAS BASICALLY A 52 CARD PICKUP AND HAD 90 DAYS TO MAKE A DECISION ON DO WE CUT OR WHAT DO WE DO? BECAUSE LET'S FACE IT, THE THE PEOPLE IN THE MUNICIPALITY VOTED IT DOWN.

SO I HAD TO MAKE A DECISION. SO MY WIFE DECIDED, YOU KNOW, LET'S LET'S GET A PLACE AT THE JERSEY SHORE.

IT'S A LITTLE TOWN CALLED SEAGIRT. VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE HERE.

SOON AFTER I MOVED IN, I JUST SAT AT THE COUNCIL MEETING, JUST LISTENING TO WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS IT WAS A WONDERFUL TOWN, JUST LIKE IT IS HERE.

BUT I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON. AND EVEN THOUGH I NEVER ASKED THE QUESTION, I JUST SAT QUIETLY.

THE MAYOR CAME UP TO ME AND HE GOES, YOU KNOW, I SEE YOU COME TO ALL THE MEETINGS, BUT YOU NEVER ASK A QUESTION.

AND I SAYS, WELL, I JUST LIKE TO HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON.

BECAUSE THROUGHOUT MY WHOLE LIFE, I'VE NEVER REALLY HAD AN AGENDA.

I FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT ONE PERSON'S GOING TO CHANGE THE WORLD, BUT ONE PERSON'S BAD DECISIONS COULD CERTAINLY AFFECT THE WORLD.

SO HE REACHED OUT TO ME AND HE GOES DO YOU HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE? AND I EXPLAINED THAT I WAS ON THE CITY COUNCIL AND, YOU KNOW, I LEFT AFTER FOUR TERMS. SO HE SAYS WE HAVE A VACANCY ON THE THE ADVISORY BOARD.

EXCUSE ME. IT WASN'T CALLED THE ADVISORY BOARD, WHICH IS KIND OF INTERESTING. INTERESTING. IT'S CALLED ADVISORY BOARD HERE, BUT WITH STATE STATUTE IN NEW JERSEY IT WAS CALLED THE PLANNING BOARD.

SO EVERYTHING WE DID, YOU KNOW, APPLIED TO STATE STATUTE.

AND I ALSO SAT ON THE ZONING BOARD. AND NOT LONG AFTER WE HAD A PROJECT THAT WAS REMANDED BACK TO THE BOARD FROM FIVE YEARS EARLIER. SO I HAD TO READ A LOT OF STUFF AND IT QUICKLY BECAME APPARENT THAT YOU GOT TO BE REALLY CAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY IN THE MEETINGS. OBVIOUSLY YOU'RE PROBABLY VERY MUCH AWARE OF THAT.

A LOT OF YOU FOLKS HAVE SAT ON DIFFERENT BOARDS AND IF YOU SAY THE WRONG THING OR YOUR DEMEANOR, YOU KNOW, THAT COULD COME BACK TO HAUNT YOU. AND AND THEN, YOU KNOW, CREATE A BIGGER CASELOAD CAN DECISIONS WON'T BE MADE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE APPELLATE COURTS WILL OVERTURN ON JUST YOUR, WHAT YOU SAY.

SO I THINK THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT THING IS TO WHEN YOU SIT UP THE DAIS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU, YOU KNOW, ADJUST YOURSELF ACCORDINGLY AND SAY THE RIGHT THINGS BECAUSE WHATEVER YOU SAY AND DO CAN REALLY AFFECT YOUR DECISION.

YOU KNOW, BY THE, THE WHOLE BOARD. SO I SAT ON THAT FOR SEVEN YEARS.

AND LO AND BEHOLD, MY WIFE SAID, LET'S GET A HOUSE IN NAPLES.

AND I'M LIKE, OH MY GOSH, YOU KNOW, I HAD TO GIVE UP MY 30 YEAR CAREER WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, WHICH I LOVE DOING. AND THEN GIVE UP THE THE BOARDS AS WELL AS I WORKED 30 YEARS FOR MACY'S PARADE STUDIO, PUTTING THE PARADE TOGETHER IN MANHATTAN. SO THAT WAS TOUGH TO GIVE UP EVERYTHING.

AND THEN PLUS I WAS A VOLUNTEER FIREMAN AND AN EMT.

SO BUT MY WIFE IS ALWAYS RIGHT. AND CAME DOWN HERE AND I SAID, OH, MY GOD, I'M IN LOVE.

WHEN SHE FIRST SAID, LET'S MOVE TO NAPLES, I THOUGHT SHE WANTED EUROPE.

I DIDN'T REALIZE NAPLES. I NEVER EVEN HEARD OF THE TOWN.

SO HERE I AM. SO WHY AM I INTERESTED? IS BECAUSE I REALLY MISS BEING ON THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT AND PLANNING BOARDS.

I FEEL MY PERSONALITY AND MY ABILITY TO ALWAYS COME TO MEETINGS EARLY AND STAY LATE.

YOU KNOW, TALK TO THE FOLKS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANT TO JUST THEY WANT SOMEBODY THAT'S APPROACHABLE AND SOMEBODY THAT REALLY GIVES THEM, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF ATTENTION AND IS ALSO PREPARED THAT UNDERSTANDS, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE LAWS ARE. AND LIKE I SAID, SEAGIRT IS VERY SIMILAR TO THIS TOWN.

WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH CAFRA PERMITS, YOU KNOW, COASTAL AREA IMPROVEMENT AUTHORITY.

WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH PERMEABLE SURFACE, A PERCENTAGE OF IT.

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AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF FOLKS WANT TO KNOW WHY. HOW COME I CAN'T SWIM RIGHT AFTER A HEAVY RAIN? IT'S BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ALL THE HERBICIDES AND PESTICIDES THAT WE LOVE TO HAVE GREEN LAWNS WITH THE END UP IN THE OCEAN AND AFFECT THE QUALITY OF LIFE.

AND YOU EVEN GET. I KNOW WE HAVE THE RED TIDE HERE, BUT IN ALONG THE ATLANTIC, WE DEAL WITH A LOT OF HERBICIDES AND PESTICIDES, AND A LOT OF OUR WATER QUALITY WILL BE POOR FOR QUITE A FEW DAYS.

AND TELL THAT TO FOLKS THAT ARE COMING TO THE JERSEY SHORE FOR THE SUMMER AND THEY CAN'T GO SWIMMING.

I DIDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH HURRICANE SANDY. WE MOVED AFTER THAT, BUT THAT'S ABOUT IT, I GUESS.

I MEAN, I GUESS I TALKED TOO MUCH ALREADY NO.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR SHARING THAT BACKGROUND.

COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH. OH, WAIT. OH, NO, I GOT IT.

OKAY. WE'RE ALSO GOING TO DO THE SAME THING WITH YOU.

WE'VE MADE YOU CHAIR. TELL US ABOUT THE FIRST THREE THINGS THAT YOU WOULD TAKE ON.

RECOMMEND THAT THE P A B TAKE ON. SURE. FIRST THING WAS AND ACTUALLY HAD DONE THIS WITH OUR CHAIR ON THE, THE PLANNING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT WAS SAY, AND HAVE EVERYBODY PRIVATELY AND SAY, BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY, BE WATCH YOUR DEMEANOR. YOU KNOW, DON'T BE LOOKING AT YOUR WATCH.

DON'T BE LOOKING DOWN. LOOK AT THE PEOPLE WHEN THEY'RE TALKING.

SHOW THEM RESPECT. EVEN THOUGH YOU MAY TOTALLY DISAGREE AND TRY TO NEVER MAKE UP YOUR MIND BY JUST BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE ALL YOU GUYS ARE ALL FAMILIAR. YOU GET YOUR PACKET BEFORE THE MEETING AND YOU READ THERE AND SOMEBODY MAY WANT TO YOU KNOW, BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S HOME NEXT TO YOU IS IN THE SETBACK AND YOU FEEL, OKAY, WHY NOT JUST APPROVE THIS SETBACK? DON'T MAKE UP YOUR MIND RIGHT AWAY. SO I WOULD ADVISE EVERYBODY THAT JUST BE OPEN MINDED, LISTEN AND MAKE A DECISION ON ALL THE FACTS.

BECAUSE JUST BECAUSE IT'S IN WRITING, ALL THE FACTS AREN'T THERE.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, TAKE A RIDE OUT TO THE SITE, YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, WE HAVE ALL TAKEN A PICTURE AND LOOK AT IT AND THEN MAKE A DECISION.

BUT YOUR EYES, YOUR PERIPHERY UNDERSTANDING OF THE AREA IS VERY GERMANE TO THE DECISION MAKING PROCESS ON THE BOARD.

AND I FOUND THAT SOME OF THE FOLKS DON'T DO THAT.

SOME OF THE FOLKS ARE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THEIR PHONE WHICH I THINK IS VERY DISRESPECTFUL.

YOU KNOW, BECAUSE EVERYBODY DESERVES TO BE HEARD.

YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH OUR SUNSHINE LAWS, IS THAT CORRECT? I AM FAMILIAR WITH THE SUNSHINE LAWS. YES. I HAD TO DEAL WITH IT ON THE CITY COUNCIL.

WHICH WAS VERY IMPORTANT. WE WERE A WEAK MAYOR, STRONG COUNCIL.

SO WE HAD SIX COUNCIL PEOPLE AND I WAS AT LARGE.

SO I REPRESENTED 8.5MI², ABOUT 21,000 PEOPLE.

THANK YOU SIR. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION.

YEAH. I'D LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR PUBLIC SERVICE AND WHAT YOU'VE DONE. AND I'M ALSO REMINISCENT BECAUSE I GREW UP IN PRINCETON, NEW JERSEY, SO RIGHT DOWN THE ROAD AND WAS VERY ENGAGED IN TRENTON AS A TEENAGER.

A LOT OF ENTREPRENEURIAL PROJECTS IN THERE. SO I'M I'M FOLLOWING YOUR FOOT PATH HERE, SO I KNOW ALL THOSE PLACES VERY WELL.

HAVE YOU BEEN ENGAGED IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AT ALL HERE? HAVE YOU BEEN TO ANY OF THE MEETINGS? AND I JUST WANT TO GET YOUR IMPRESSION OF IT COMING FROM THAT AREA, BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF THE I'VE DONE SUBDIVISIONS UP THERE AND ALL THAT.

IT'S VERY DIFFERENT. YOU KNOW, WETLANDS IS WETLANDS AND YOU DON'T TOUCH IT.

AND HERE IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT, BUT BUT YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE HERE, YOU'RE SURE.

IRONICALLY, I USED TO WORK AT BRISTOL-MYERS SQUIBB HERE IN LAWRENCEVILLE.

I WORKED IN MICROBIOLOGY. I CHANGED CAREERS A COUPLE TIMES.

EVERY TIME I GOT, I SAW AN OPPORTUNITY. I TOOK IT, SO I WORKED THERE FOR TEN YEARS IN PRINCETON.

BUT GETTING TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ONE OF THE THINGS I WORKED ON WAS THE MASTER PLAN THAT WE HAVE IN NEW JERSEY.

EVERY TEN YEARS, YOU HAVE TO REDO THE MASTER PLAN BECAUSE THERE'S PROBABLY HEARD THERE'S A BIG PROBLEM WITH SPOT ZONING.

YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE DIFFERENT ZONES IN THE BUSINESS ZONES, BUT WE'RE REALLY DEALING WITH A LOT OF SPOT ZONING AS WELL AS THE MOUNT LAUREL AGREEMENT, WHICH IS THE BIG THING IN NEW JERSEY.

IF YOU DO NOT REDO YOUR MASTER PLAN EVERY TEN YEARS, YOU'RE SUBJECT TO A BUILDER'S REMEDY.

AND THE MASTER PLAN INCLUDE EVEN BILLBOARDS, YOU FIGURE EVEN MAYBE LIKE A TOWN LIKE THIS, THERE'S NO BILLBOARDS, BUT LIKE IN NEW JERSEY, IF YOU'VE NEVER HAD BILLBOARDS, YOU STILL BETTER HAVE A BILLBOARD ORDINANCE BECAUSE A BUILDER CAN COME IN AND SAY, OKAY, YOU DON'T HAVE AN ORDINANCE, I'LL GET A REMEDY.

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I MEAN, IT'S EVEN LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, I'M ALSO THE HOA PRESIDENT AND WE HAVE TO CODIFY OUR HOA LAWS BECAUSE THEY EXPIRE.

AND OBVIOUSLY THEN FOLKS CAN DO WHATEVER THEY'D LIKE.

SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW SOMETHING? THAT WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO PARTICIPATE IN? ENGAGE OUR CURRENT. HAVE YOU PARTICIPATED IN ANY OF OUR.

OH, I'M SORRY I DIDN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I HAVE NOT. OKAY, I HAVE NOT. OKAY.

MATTER OF FACT, I THINK I'VE ONLY BEEN TO ONE COUNCIL MEETING.

YEAH. DO YOU HAVE ANY OPINION ON OUR CURRENT DEVELOPMENT? SEEING THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE. WHAT'S GOING ON HERE OR ANY ANY COMMENTARY ON THAT? WELL YOU KNOW, SOME THINGS ARE KIND OF CURIOUS, BUT I'M ALL TOO AWARE THAT A LOT OF BUSINESSES CAN LAWYER UP AND YOU KNOW, I HAD A SIMILAR SITUATION WHERE IN SEAGIRT WELL, A BUILDER CAME IN AND WE ALL VOTED IT DOWN AND WE'RE THE MAYOR PULLED US ASIDE AND FOR GOOD REASON, AND MAYOR PULLED ASIDE AND HE GOES, LOOK, HE GOES WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HUGE TASK HERE. OUR BUDGET IS REALLY GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY EVERY TIME.

WE NEED ANOTHER TEAM OF LAWYERS TO FIGHT THIS BUILDER.

SO AT WHAT POINT? AND UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S SORT OF A TALKING POINT FOR PEOPLE THAT MAY BE RUNNING FOR OFFICE ARE LIKE, WELL, YOU DIDN'T DO ENOUGH TO FIGHT, YOU KNOW, CHANGE IN THE TOWN THAT WE DON'T LIKE.

AND IT'S THE HARDEST THING, I THINK, TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT.

THAT YOU ARE TRYING HARD, BUT THERE'S A POINT WHERE YOU, YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT ANYMORE.

AND YOU KNOW, I KNOW YOUR BUDGET. I THINK YOUR $8 MILLION BUDGET.

I MEAN, WE HAVE YOU IN SOME TOWNS, EVEN THOUGH WE HAD A $22 MILLION BUDGET, THERE'S A POINT WHERE IT'S NOT WORTH IT TO FIGHT IT ANYMORE.

SO WHAT YOU DO IS YOU COME UP WITH YOU SIT DOWN PRIVATELY AND SAY, HEY, HERE'S WHAT CAN WE DO? CAN WE CHANGE THE RISKS? A RESIDENTIAL SITE IMPROVEMENT STANDARDS AS TO HOW MANY PARKING SPACES.

SO THE SORT OF THE IMPACT IN THAT LITTLE AREA THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AT ALL? YOU KNOW, JUST TRYING TO GET IT.

BUT THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPLYING AND WILLING TO SERVE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE AND SERVING THE PUBLIC SO MANY TIMES BEFORE. WHEN I LOOK AT YOUR RESUME, IT'S HEAVY ON YOUR EXPERIENCE IN NEW JERSEY, WHICH IS OBVIOUS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ALL THAT IS RELEVANT TO THIS ROLE.

BUT IN THE FIVE YEARS THAT YOU'VE BEEN IN NAPLES NOW, CAN YOU MAYBE FILL IN LIKE, HAVE YOU BEEN INVOLVED? ARE YOU STILL WORKING? ARE YOU INVOLVED IN OTHER COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS? HOW HAVE YOU GOTTEN FAMILIAR WITH THE LOOK AND FEEL AND CHARM OF NAPLES? OKAY. ACTUALLY, THE VERY FIRST TIME YOU MET THE MAYOR WAS AT THE DOG PARADE.

I WAS, LIKE, THE FIRST ON THE LINEUP, AND I WAS TALKING TO HER AND STUFF, BUT I MOVED HERE IN 2021 AND I, I NOBODY TOLD US, BUT MY VILLA OF SEVEN UNITS WERE UNDER RECEIVERSHIP.

NOBODY WANTED TO MANAGE IT. SO MY WIFE ENCOURAGED ME.

SHE GOES, WHY DON'T YOU TAKE THIS PLACE OUT OF RECEIVERSHIP? IT'S LIKE IT'S STARTING TO LOOK PRETTY BAD. THE LIVE OAKS LOOK HORRIBLE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

SO APPROXIMATELY A YEAR LATER, I TOOK THE ER, EXCUSE ME, THE THE VILLA'S OUT OF RECEIVERSHIP AND I BECAME PRESIDENT, WHICH I CURRENTLY SERVE AS PRESIDENT. SO FROM THERE I BASICALLY REVITALIZED THE WHOLE STREET GOT IT PAVED, YOU KNOW, WORKED WITH ALL THE OTHER HOMEOWNERS THAT ARE NOT PART OF OUR HOA.

SO ALL KICK IN TO, TO PAVE THE STREET REMOVE ALL THE LIVE OAKS THAT WERE DYING AND THEN PLANT PALM TREES MAINTAIN THE SWALE. WELL, THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT A LOT OF THE MUNICIPALITIES.

THEY DON'T REALLY DO A GOOD JOB OF MAINTAINING THE SWALE, WHICH IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE PERCOLATE ALL THE HERBICIDES, PESTICIDES AND FERTILIZER BEFORE IT GOES INTO THE WATER SYSTEM.

SO MAINTAINING THE SWALE IS VERY IMPORTANT. SO I STILL CURRENTLY SERVE AS HOA PRESIDENT.

I ALSO VOLUNTEER FOR REVS, YOU KNOW, MR. COLLIER'S CAR MUSEUM.

SO I WORK IN A CLASSIC PARTS DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS A CAR STEWARD GIVING TOURS FOR ALL THE CLASSIC CARS.

SO I WAS I, AND I ALSO STILL MAINTAIN MY CPR BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY TIME I TURN AROUND,

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SOMEBODY CALLED HELP AND THERE I AM. WELL, WELL.

THANKS FOR THE DETAILS. THAT'S HELPFUL. SURE.

NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. I WANT TO THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR LISTENING.

I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THAT CONCLUDES OUR INTERVIEWS.

THANK YOU. WE HAVE SOME REALLY GREAT CANDIDATES AND APPRECIATE THOSE WHO ARE WILLING TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY.

WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK.

AND WE'LL COME BACK AND START WITH ITEM SIX A.

OKAY. WE'RE BACK FROM OUR SHORT BREAK. CONTINUING ON WITH ITEM SIX, A MRS.

[6.A) Discussion Regarding Amending the City Charter to Align Municipal Elections with the November General Election.]

WHEN LAURA REYNOLDS SPOKE UNDER PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING THE TIMING OF THE CITY'S MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS AT THE FEBRUARY 18TH, 2026 CITY COUNCIL MEETING, SHE APPEARED AS A RESIDENT AND I INAPPROPRIATELY REFERRED TO HER AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS FOR COLLIER COUNTY.

SO I JUST WANT TO CORRECT THAT FOR THE RECORD, THAT SHE DID APPEAR AS A RESIDENT.

YOU WILL RECALL THAT MISS REYNOLDS OVERVIEWED THE CHARTER PROVISIONS REGARDING THE CITY'S MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS AND SUGGESTED THAT THERE WOULD BE A COST SAVINGS TO THE CITY AND GREATER VOTER TURNOUT IF THE CITY MOVED ITS ELECTIONS TO COINCIDE WITH THE NOVEMBER GENERAL ELECTIONS, THE CITY COUNCIL THEN PROVIDED DIRECTION FOR STAFF TO RESEARCH AND PRESENT POTENTIAL ADVANTAGES AND CONSIDERATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH CHANGING THE MUNICIPAL ELECTION DATE. SO FIRST, I DISTRIBUTED A COPY OF THE CHARTER PROVISIONS TO YOU AND HAVE HIGHLIGHTED THE POTENTIAL SECTIONS OF THE CHARTER THAT COULD POTENTIALLY CHANGE BY MOVING THE DATE OF THE ELECTIONS TO COINCIDE WITH THE NOVEMBER GENERAL ELECTIONS.

SECTION 13.1 OF THE CITY CHARTER CURRENTLY ESTABLISHES THE REGULAR ELECTION DATES AND PARAGRAPH A PROVIDES THAT REGULAR MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS ARE NONPARTISAN AND SHALL BE HELD ON THE FIRST TUESDAY IN FEBRUARY OF EACH EVEN NUMBERED YEAR, EXCEPT IN YEARS THAT ARE A MULTIPLE OF FOUR, AT WHICH TIME THE REGULAR MUNICIPAL ELECTION WILL BE HELD ON THE SAME DAY AS THE STATE OF FLORIDA PRESIDENTIAL PREFERENCE PRIMARY AND CONDUCTED PURSUANT TO FLORIDA STATUTES.

SO EVERY TWO YEARS WE HOLD OUR ELECTIONS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY CYCLE.

I HAVE I HAVE CONTACTED MELISSA BLAZER, THE COLLIER COUNTY SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS, REGARDING THE QUESTION.

AND IF THERE WERE ANY POTENTIAL OPERATIONAL IMPACTS, IF THE CITY WERE TO CHANGE THE TIMING OF THE MUNICIPAL ELECTION TO COINCIDE WITH THE NOVEMBER GENERAL ELECTIONS. THE SUPERVISOR RESPONDED THAT IF THE CITY WERE TO PURSUE A CHARTER AMENDMENT MOVING THE MUNICIPAL ELECTION TO COINCIDE WITH THE NOVEMBER GENERAL ELECTION, SHE BELIEVES THE VOTER TURNOUT WOULD LIKELY INCREASE SIGNIFICANTLY.

ACCORDING TO THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS, VOTER TURNOUT WITHIN THE CITY OF NAPLES DURING NOVEMBER 2022 GENERAL ELECTION WAS APPROXIMATELY 73%, WHILE TURNOUT DURING THE NOVEMBER 2024 GENERAL ELECTION WAS APPROXIMATELY 87%.

THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGED THAT THE CITY'S MAYOR AND COUNCIL RACES COULD BE ADDED TO THE NOVEMBER GENERAL ELECTION BALLOT IF THE CHARTER WERE AMENDED ACCORDINGLY. SHE ALSO CONFIRMED THAT THE CITY WOULD NOT BE CHARGED FOR THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE ELECTION IF THE MUNICIPAL RACES WERE INCLUDED ON A COUNTY WIDE NOVEMBER GENERAL ELECTION BALLOT.

AND WE KIND OF DISCUSSED COULD THERE BE ANY POTENTIAL POTENTIAL NEGATIVE IMPACTS? AND SHE DID NOTE THAT THE GENERAL ELECTION BALLOTS ARE TYPICALLY LENGTHY AND THAT THERE IS POSSIBLE MUNICIPAL RACES COULD RECEIVE LESS

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AND THAT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS AND OTHER ELECTIONS OF PRIORITY.

SO I PUT A COUPLE SAMPLE BALLOTS OF MARCO ISLAND IN THE PACKET.

SO YOU COULD KIND OF SEE WHERE THE CITY OF MARCO ISLAND FELL ON THOSE BALLOTS.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THEY'RE STILL ON THE FIRST PAGE.

THEY OUT OF A POTENTIAL 2 OR 3 PAGE BALLOT. SO IT DID APPEAR BEFORE.

IT SEEMS BEFORE ANY OF THE AMENDMENTS OR QUESTIONS THAT APPEAR AS REFERENDUM ON ON THE BALLOTS.

SO I'D LIKE TO JUST KIND OF GO THROUGH FOR YOU SOME POTENTIAL ADVANTAGES AND DISADVANTAGES AS WE WERE DOING SOME RESEARCH ON THIS MATTER.

THE COLLIER COUNTY SUPERVISOR AND THESE ARE ADVANTAGES.

THE COLLIER COUNTY SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS HAS CONFIRMED THAT HOLDING THE GENERAL ELECTION IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE NOVEMBER GENERAL ELECTIONS WOULD RESULT IN NO DIRECT COSTS TO THE CITY. CURRENTLY, STAND ALONE ELECTIONS REQUIRE THE CITY TO REIMBURSE THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS FOR ELECTION ADMINISTRATION.

AND FOR THIS PAST GENERAL ELECTION, WE PAID THE SUPERVISOR $47,073.91.

POTENTIAL INCREASED VOTER PARTICIPATION. GENERAL ELECTIONS HISTORICALLY PRODUCED SIGNIFICANT HIGHER TURNOUT THAN STANDALONE MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS. HOLDING MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS DURING NOVEMBER ELECTION CYCLE WOULD ALLOW CITY RACES TO OCCUR DURING A PERIOD WHEN VOTER TURNOUT PARTICIPATION IS ALREADY AT ITS HIGHEST. EXPANDED VOTER OPPORTUNITIES.

WHEN MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS OCCUR DURING NOVEMBER GENERAL ELECTION, VOTERS HAVE ACCESS TO THE EARLY VOTING PERIODS AT NO ADDITIONAL COST TO THE CITY.

AND YOU WILL RECALL THAT FOR THIS PAST GENERAL ELECTION, WE DID NOT HAVE EARLY VOTING.

THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN AN ADDITIONAL $45,000. GREATER PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, GREATER PUBLIC AWARENESS OF ELECTION DATES. STANDALONE MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS HELD OUTSIDE OF THE REGULAR CYCLE MAY REQUIRE ADDITIONAL VOTER OUTREACH TO ENSURE RESIDENTS ARE AWARE OF THE ELECTION DATE. CONDUCTING MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS DURING THE ESTABLISHED NOVEMBER GENERAL ELECTION MAY REDUCE CONFUSION AND INCREASE AWARENESS, AS MANY VOTERS ALREADY EXPECT TO PARTICIPATE IN ELECTIONS DURING THAT TIME FRAME.

AND CANVASING BOARD AND CERTIFICATION. AN ADDITIONAL ADVANTAGE IS THAT THE CANVASING BOARD WOULD FALL UNDER COLLIER COUNTY CANVASING BOARD TO CONDUCT THE OFFICIAL CANVASING AND CERTIFICATION OF THE ELECTION RESULTS AS PART OF THE COUNTY WIDE ELECTION PROCESS.

THIS WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEED FOR THE CITY TO ESTABLISH AND ADMINISTER A CANVASING BOARD FOR THE CERTIFICATION OF ELECTION RESULTS.

AND THEN GOING ON TO SOME POTENTIAL DISADVANTAGES, YOU'LL HAVE A TRANSITION AND TERM ADJUSTMENT.

CHANGING THE MUNICIPAL ELECTION DATE WOULD REQUIRE A ONE TIME ADJUSTMENT TO THE TERMS OF OFFICE FOR CURRENT OR THE NEXT CYCLE OF ELECTED OFFICIALS TO ALIGN WITH THE ELECTION CYCLE. WITH NOVEMBER ADJUSTMENTS TO ELECTED OFFICIALS, TERMS CAN RAISE PUBLIC CONCERNS REGARDING FAIRNESS OR TRANSPARENCY. A TRANSPARENT AND FAIR PATH FORWARD WOULD BE TO INCLUDE TRANSITION LANGUAGE, VETTED CAREFULLY BY THE CITY ATTORNEY TO ALLOW THE VOTERS TO DECIDE LOCAL ISSUES MAY RECEIVE LESS ATTENTION.

ONE CONCERN, FREQUENTLY RAISED WHEN MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS ARE CONSOLIDATED WITH STATE AND FEDERAL ELECTIONS IS THAT LOCAL ISSUES MAY RECEIVE LESS VISIBILITY AMONG ITS VOTERS. DURING HIGH PROFILE ELECTION CYCLES, VOTER ATTENTION AND MEDIA COVERAGE ARE OFTEN FOCUSED ON PRESIDENTIAL, CONGRESSIONAL OR STATEWIDE RACES. AS A RESULT, MUNICIPAL CANDIDATES AND POLICY ISSUES MAY RECEIVE LESS PUBLIC DISCUSSION, AND VOTERS MAY HAVE LIMITED AWARENESS OF LOCAL PLATFORMS OR PRIORITIES, POTENTIALLY LEADING TO THE VOTERS NOT BEING FULLY INFORMED ON LOCAL MATTERS.

OFF CYCLE ELECTIONS MAY AVOID COMPETITION WITH STATE OR CONGRESSIONAL ELECTIONS SO THAT VOTERS MAINTAIN THEIR FOCUS ON LOCAL ISSUES.

AND THEN YOU HAVE BALLOT LENGTH AND VOTER FATIGUE.

RESEARCH INDICATES THAT LONGER BALLOTS CAN INCREASE THE LIKELIHOOD THAT VOTERS WILL SKIP LOWER BALLOT CONTESTS, PARTICULARLY WHEN VOTERS ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH CANDIDATES.

THIS COULD RESULT IN A HIGHER TOTAL NUMBER OF VOTERS PARTICIPATING IN THE ELECTION OVERALL,

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CITIES THAT ADOPT NOVEMBER ELECTIONS SOMETIMES ADDRESS THIS CONCERN THROUGH ENHANCED VOTER EDUCATION EFFORTS AND CANDIDATE OUTREACH.

SIMILAR TO WHAT WE JUST DID FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES.

GENERAL ELECTION. POTENTIAL INCREASE IN PARTIZANSHIP.

MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS IN NAPLES ARE NONPARTISAN UNDER THE CITY CHARTER, HOLDING ELECTIONS CONCURRENTLY WITH STATE AND FEDERAL RACES COULD POTENTIALLY INCREASE THE VISIBILITY OF PARTIZAN POLITICAL ACTIVITY DURING THE ELECTION PERIOD.

DURING GENERAL ELECTIONS, POLITICAL MESSAGING, ADVERTISING AND CAMPAIGN OPERATIONS ARE OFTEN ORGANIZED ALONG PARTY LINES.

SOME MUNICIPALITIES HAVE EXPRESSED CONCERN THAT THIS ENVIRONMENT COULD LEAD TO GREATER PARTIZAN INFLUENCE IN LOCAL CAMPAIGNS, EVEN WHEN CANDIDATES ARE NOT OFFICIALLY AFFILIATED WITH A PARTY ON THE BALLOT.

FOR COUNCIL'S INFORMATION, THE VOTERS OF THE CITY OF MARCO ISLAND APPROVED A CHARTER AMENDMENT TO PARTICIPATE IN THE COUNTY'S GENERAL ELECTION CYCLE.

WE HAVE OBTAINED PERCENTAGES OF THE LAST THREE ELECTIONS, AND THEIR PERCENTAGES IN 2024 WERE OVER WERE 86% IN 2022, 75%, AND IN 2020, 93%.

ONE OTHER THERE'S, THERE'S KIND OF I WANTED TO KIND OF PUT OUT THE STATISTICS OF HOW MANY STATES ARE IN THE, IN THE NATION, WHAT THEY HAVE BEEN DOING 24 STATES HAVE LAWS PREVENTING MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS ON FEDERAL ELECTION DATES. SEVEN STATES REQUIRE STATES TO HAVE ON CYCLE ELECTIONS, AND 19 STATES GIVE THE OPTION TO CITIES TO CHOOSE THEIR OWN DATES.

MANY STATES HAVE CHOSE TO CONSOLIDATE LOCAL AND STATE ELECTIONS WITH FEDERAL RACES, TO HELP VOTERS PAY MORE ATTENTION TO LOCAL CONTESTS AND POTENTIALLY INCREASE VOTER TURNOUT. NOW, WE DID FIND SOME CITIES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT HAVE CHANGED THEIRS TO ON CYCLE NOVEMBER.

AND THEN WE'RE FINDING THEY'RE NOW CHANGING THEM TO AUGUST.

AND I DON'T KNOW THE REASON FOR THAT. OTHERS MAY PREFER OFF CYCLE ELECTIONS THAT DON'T ALIGN WITH FEDERAL ELECTIONS TO KEEP PARTIZANSHIP OUTSIDE OF LOCAL RACES AND TO AVOID COMPETITION WITH STATE OR CONGRESSIONAL ELECTIONS.

AND I BELIEVE UNLESS YOU WANT TO START WITH SOME QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION, I THINK THAT WAS THE END OF MY PRESENTATION.

SO COUNCIL. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MRS. RAMBO, I'D LIKE TO GET THOSE.

AND THEN I'D LIKE TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT BEFORE WE GO INTO ANY TYPE OF DISCUSSIONS.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR MRS. RAMBO ON INFORMATION? COUNCIL.

COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON, YOU SAID THERE WERE A FEW IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT HAD GONE TO NOVEMBER ELECTIONS AND NOW WERE MOVING AWAY FROM NOVEMBER ELECTIONS.

ANY WAY WE CAN, WE CAN REACH OUT TO THEIR THEIR CLERKS TO FIND OUT IF THEY HAVE SOME TYPE OF.

I TRY DOING THAT. IT'S VERY RECENT ACTUALLY, THAT.

AND I THINK IT'S MIAMI CITY OF MIAMI. OR IT WAS FOUND ILLEGAL AGAINST.

OH OKAY. WELL THAT'S A GOOD REASON TO DO IT. FOR THE RECORD, PERHAPS IT WAS PERHAPS IT WAS FOUND ILLEGAL AND THAT'S WHY THEY DID IT. AND THAT WOULD BE OBVIOUSLY A LOCAL ORDINANCE THAT THEY WERE IN VIOLATION OF, I WOULD GUESS BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T BE DISCUSSING THIS IF IT WERE, IF IT WERE ILLEGAL FOR US TO CONSIDER MOVING IT TO NOVEMBER.

RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S HELPFUL. AND THEN ONE OTHER QUESTION CHANGING.

NO REFERENCE WAS WAS MADE TO THIS, BUT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY AND CONFIRM THAT IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THIS TO NOVEMBER ELECTION, IT WOULD NOT AFFECT THE TERMS OF THOSE OF US THAT ARE SITTING UP HERE RIGHT NOW THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY WHOSE SEATS WOULD BE IN THAT UPCOMING ELECTION.

WHEN THAT HAPPENS TWO YEARS OUT FROM FROM NOW.

AND, AND I DID MENTION THAT AND IT COULD AFFECT THE TERMS OF YES, OF EITHER THIS OR A FUTURE, DEPENDING ON HOW THE CHARTER QUESTION WAS POSED FOR THE PUBLIC TO VOTE ON.

WELL, CAN YOU GIVE US EXAMPLES? SO. YOU'RE ASKING SHORTER OR LONGER? IS IT WHAT IS THERE A. IT'S EITHER OBVIOUSLY THIS CHANGE WOULD BE EITHER SHORTER OR LONGER.

WHAT WOULD BE THE MOST LIKELY. WHAT WOULD BE. OH, BY THE WORDING.

BY THE WORDING, BY WHAT WE CHOOSE, RIGHT? OKAY, SO SO THERE IS IT.

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IT WOULD EITHER BE SHORTER OR LONGER IS WHAT I'M HEARING.

THAT'S CORRECT. IT WOULD EITHER BE SHORTER OR LONGER. OKAY.

GOOD TO KNOW. I HAVE VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP AND THEN KRAMER, IS THERE A QUESTION ON THE TIMING OF THIS? BECAUSE WE JUST HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC. SPEAKER FEBRUARY 18TH, AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT POTENTIALLY IMPLEMENTING IT.

IS THERE SOME URGENCY OR STATE REQUIREMENT? LIKE IF WE WANTED TO IMPLEMENT IT BY A CERTAIN DATE, WE HAVE TO LIKE MAKE A DECISION ON THIS REALLY SOON? YES. SO BEFORE JUNE, WE NEED TO GET THE REFERENDUM TO THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS FOR THE BALLOT FOR THE AUGUST BALLOT.

YES. BUT IF IT WAS THE NOVEMBER BALLOT, SHE DOES NOT PUT REFERENDUM OF THE CITY ON ON NOVEMBER BALLOTS.

SO WHAT'S THAT? COULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS WILL NOT PUT A REFERENDUM.

QUESTION OF A LOCAL REFERENDUM QUESTION ON A NOVEMBER BALLOT.

SO THE BALLOTS ARE TOO LONG AT THAT TIME. SO IT'S.

YEAH, SHE DOES ALLOW IT IN AUGUST. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE URGENCY.

SO WE WOULD NEED TO MAKE A DECISION BY SOMETIME IN JUNE.

YOU WOULD HAVE TO HAVE AN ORDINANCE ADOPTED BY THE CITY COUNCIL BEFORE JUNE.

AN ORDINANCE AN ORDINANCE BEFORE JUNE 1ST AND SECOND READING BEFORE WE BREAK IN JUNE.

IT'S JUNE 8TH, BUT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, MISS RAMOS, THE NEXT TERM FOR YOU ALL WOULD BE 2028.

IS THAT ACCURATE? BEGINS. BEGINS. SO TECHNICALLY, YOU WOULD HAVE ALL OF NEXT YEAR AS WELL TO DO IT AUGUST AND IMPLEMENT IT FOR 2028 JUST FOR TIMING PURPOSES. RIGHT. SO IF WE DIDN'T DO IT THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE WEREN'T READY OR WHATEVER.

DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH TIME, WE COULD DO IT NEXT YEAR AND IT WAS STILL APPLY FOR THE NEXT CITY ELECTION CYCLE.

POTENTIALLY. BUT I KNOW MISS RAMOS WOULD WANT TO RUN THAT BY MR. BLAZER, JUST BECAUSE I BELIEVE THERE'S A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION THAT YEAR AS WELL. SO THINGS ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT AND SHE MAY GUIDE US IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION AS TO WHAT ELECTION SHE THOUGHT WE COULD PUT THAT ON. SO MAYBE IT WOULD BE LIKE THE MARCH 1ST.

SO I, I WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK WITH SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ON THAT TIMING.

BUT YES, THERE WILL BE OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THIS NEXT YEAR, I'M PRETTY SURE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SO IT WOULD BE VOTED ON IN NOVEMBER OF 27.

PROBABLY NOT NOVEMBER PROBABLY WITH ONE OF THE PRESIDENTIAL PREFERENCE PRIMARY ELECTIONS EARLIER IN THE YEAR.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE NOT SURE OF, RIGHT? I'M NOT SURE WHICH ELECTION SHE WOULD PREFER TO HAVE A REFERENDUM ON THE QUESTION.

YEAH. CAN I ASK MR. YOUNG? WHICH ONE ARE YOU WORKING TOWARDS NOW FOR THE REFERENDUM THAT YOU'RE POTENTIALLY HAVING REGARDING THE SALARY AND THE BLUE RIBBON COMMITTEE? AUGUST. OKAY. SO SUBSEQUENTLY THEN, REGARDLESS, IT WOULD BE AT LEAST A YEAR LATER AND THEN POTENTIALLY THE, THE, THE A YEAR AND A QUARTER. SO THAT'S THE ONLY REASON TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION NOW IS IF YOU WERE PLANNING ON DOING IT AND DEFINITELY WANT TO DO IT, YOU ALWAYS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY. AND I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, JUST FROM AN OBSERVATION STANDPOINT TO MR. BARTON'S POINT, IN ONE CAPACITY OR THE OTHER, UNLESS YOU WERE GOING TO WAIT FOUR YEARS TO DO IT SINCE YOU JUST HAD ELECTION.

IT WOULD ULTIMATELY AFFECT ONE GROUP OR THE OTHER.

IT'S JUST HOW HOW THE BALLOT LANGUAGE WOULD BE WORDED AS TO WHICH GROUP IT AFFECTED.

QUICK QUESTION CARL. WHAT WAS THE NUMBER OF THE COST SAVINGS? OH, I'M SORRY, 100,000 SAVINGS. THE COST SAVINGS WAS ABOUT 47,047.

FOR THIS LAST GENERAL ELECTION. YEAH. SO TO CLARIFY THAT.

THANK YOU. MY APOLOGIES. KRAMER. NO. IT'S OKAY.

SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, WHEN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE REFERENDUMS. THAT'S GOING TO BE IN AUGUST OR THE I GUESS IT'S MARCH 1ST IS A PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY ONE IS A GENERAL PRIMARY FOR FEDERAL OFFICE. THAT'S THE TWO TIMES WE WOULD HAVE A REFERENDUM.

IS THAT CORRECT? I, I'M. I CAN'T BE ABSOLUTELY SURE TO TELL YOU WHEN THE NEXT YEAR IS.

I JUST KNOW THAT AUGUST 8TH OF THIS YEAR WOULD BE.

SHE WOULD ACCEPT. YEAH. AND THE WAY IT IS JUST.

YEAH, THE WAY IT'S DESCRIBED IN THE LAW IS IT'S A NUMBER OF WEEKS BEFORE THE ELECTION, WHATEVER THAT DATE WOULD BE.

MAYBE IT'S AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, BUT TYPICALLY AUGUST.

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JUST THAT THAT MINDSET IS WE DON'T DO REFERENDUMS DURING GENERAL ELECTIONS BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT THAT LOST IN THE CLUTTER.

IT WOULD SEEM, ASSUMING WE WOULD HAVE THE SAME COST SAVINGS THAT WE WOULD WANT TO LATCH ON THIS CHANGE TO A PRIMARY AS OPPOSED TO A GENERAL ELECTION. AND THAT ISN'T REALLY SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

BUT IS THAT DOABLE? CAN WE JUST DO IT DURING THE PRIMARY AND STILL HAVE THE COST SAVING BENEFIT? OKAY. THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE TO ME. AND YOU'RE GOING TO CONFIRM THE PRIMARY DATES.

FROM. IF I CAN JUST CONFIRM WHAT YOU JUST SAID.

MY INTERPRETATION IS HOLD THE ELECTIONS RATHER THAN IN NOVEMBER.

CYCLE IN THE AUGUST CYCLE. CORRECT? YES. JUST LIKE WE DO ON THE OFF CYCLE.

YES. NOT GENERALLY. YES. IN THE PRIMARY FOR THE PRESIDENT.

YES. COST SAVINGS AND PERHAPS ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE NEGATIVES THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT.

RIGHT. NO, I, I'M, I'M PRETTY SURE THAT THAT WOULD BE PERFECTLY OKAY WITH THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS, BECAUSE THE GREEN LIGHT FOR ME IS SAVING THE MONEY.

RIGHT? THANKS, I AGREE. SAVING THE MONEY IS A BENEFIT.

BUT I ALSO LOOK AT THE THREE THINGS UNDER MAYBE POTENTIAL CONFLICTS.

AND THAT WOULD BE NUMBER TWO AND LESS ATTENTION AND THREE WOULD BE THE YEAH, I DEFINITELY SEE THAT TOO.

BUT I JUST THINK THAT. SO THAT WOULD MAKE THE, THE PRIMARY DATES MORE PALATABLE, I THINK, THAN THE GENERAL. OKAY. WITH THAT, WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

LAURA HANSON REYNOLDS. WE HOPE YOU HAVE SOLUTIONS AND ANSWERS FOR US.

JUST JUST THOUGHTS. MY NAME IS LAURA HANSON REYNOLDS.

I LIVE AT EIGHT 56TH AVENUE NORTH IN NAPLES. AND AS WE SAID BEFORE, I'M HERE AS A CITIZEN.

AS YOU DISCUSS THE PROS AND CONS OF AMENDING THE CITY COUNCIL TO ALIGN MUNICIPAL ELECTIONS WITH THE NOVEMBER GENERAL ELECTION, I ASK YOU TO CONSIDER THESE POINTS. THE MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL IS THE INCREASED VOTER TURNOUT.

TURNOUT IN THE FEBRUARY 3RD ELECTION THIS YEAR WAS BARELY 38%.

THE OTHER WAY AROUND IS TO SAY MORE THAN SIX OUT OF EVERY TEN VOTERS DID NOT COME AND CAST A BALLOT.

AND IN MARCH 2024, THE TURNOUT WAS EVEN WORSE 27%.

AND IN FEBRUARY 2022, THE TURNOUT WAS 39%. SO CONSISTENTLY.

NOW, OVER THE PAST NUMBER OF YEARS, WE'RE NOT GETTING MORE THAN LESS THAN FOUR OUT OF TEN VOTERS TO PARTICIPATE.

BY CONTRAST, THE GENERAL ELECTIONS HAVE MUCH, MUCH HIGHER TURNOUT.

WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH THOSE STATISTICS. AND YOU GOT THEM JUST FOR NAPLES FROM PAT'S GOOD RESEARCH.

THE NATIONAL CIVIC REVIEW REPORTS THAT RESEARCH SHOW AT LEAST A DOUBLING OF TURNOUT FOR AN ON CYCLE GENERAL ELECTION VERSUS OFF CYCLE LOCAL ELECTIONS.

IT'S THE MOST POWERFUL CHANGE NAPLES COULD MAKE TO INCREASE PARTICIPATION IN CITY COUNCIL AND MAYORAL ELECTIONS.

HIGHER VOTER TURNOUT ENSURES THAT VOICES OF A BROAD CROSS-SECTION OF THE COMMUNITY ARE HEARD, CONTRIBUTING TO A MORE INCLUSIVE AND RESPONSIVE LOCAL GOVERNMENT BALLOT AND VOTER FATIGUE HAVE NOT NEGATIVELY IMPACTED MARCO ISLAND CITY COUNCIL RACES IN 2024.

MARCO CITY COUNCIL RACE HAD AN 86.6% TURNOUT.

THE TURNOUT FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE WAS ACTUALLY SLIGHTLY LOWER, ONLY 85.6%.

THIS CAME FROM TRISH ROBERTSON AT THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS OFFICE.

NUMBER TWO, ALWAYS HAVING FULL EARLY VOTING DAYS AVAILABLE AT NO COST TO THE CITY IN A GENERAL ELECTION IS SURE TO DRIVE INCREASED VOTER PARTICIPATION.

AS A CITY, WE SHOULD TRY STRIVE TO MAKE VOTING EASY AND CONVENIENT.

EVERYTHING WE CAN DO TO BEND OVER BACKWARDS AND BRING MORE VOTERS IN.

AND AS YOU HAVE ALREADY NOTED, ELIMINATING THE ELECTION COSTS FOR NAPLES.

THERE'S A LOT OF WONDERFUL THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE IN THE CITY WITH THAT MONEY THAT RIGHT NOW IS GOING TO THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTIONS OFFICE. AND IF WE HAD ACTUALLY DONE A FULL ELECTION WITH EARLY VOTING, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN $100,000 THIS YEAR.

SO I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S REAL MONEY. THERE IS NO NEED FOR THE CITY CLERK AND THE CITY ATTORNEY TO STAFF AND ADMINISTER A SEPARATE CANVASING BOARD IF WE GO WITH THE NOVEMBER GENERAL ELECTION. THE SUPERVISOR ELECTION STAFF WILL COMPLETELY PLAN AND ADMINISTER FOR THE FULL ELECTION.

AND WE WOULD JUST BE PART OF THAT. AND I BELIEVE THAT FULLY EXPLAINED, TRANSPARENT PLANS TO MAKE A ONE TIME ADJUSTMENT IN TERMS OF SERVICE WITH A SHIFT OF

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THE 2012 REPORTED MARCO ISLAND RESULTS, WHICH WAS THE FIRST TIME I COULD SEE IN THE ELECTION HISTORY THAT THEY HAD MOVED TO NOVEMBER DID NOT SHOW A DROP OFF IN VOTER PARTICIPATION.

SO WITH THIS CHANGE, MANY, MANY, MANY MORE VOTERS WILL PARTICIPATE IN THE CITY COUNCIL AND MAYOR ELECTIONS AND THE CITY WILL SAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY.

THIS IS A WIN WIN SCENARIO AND WE CAN DO THIS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE DON'T NORMALLY ASK QUESTIONS, BUT I HAVE TO BECAUSE THIS IS SOMETHING YOU'VE BROUGHT FORWARD.

SO. THERE'S SO MANY PROS AND CONS THAT WE CAN LOOK AT.

AND YOU KNOW, QUITE FRANKLY, I THOUGHT THE EARLY VOTING WAS KIND OF A GOOD THING THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE IT THIS YEAR, BUT THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION. WHAT MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS IS WE ARE NONPARTISAN.

YES. AND I LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S JUST FOR THE GOOD OF THIS COMMUNITY THAT CANDIDATES ARE CHOSEN.

SO IT DOES CONCERN ME BECAUSE IN THIS LAST ELECTION, I'VE NEVER SEEN IT BEFORE.

THERE WAS A VERY BIG EMPHASIS ON PARTY. AND I WOULD SAY THAT IN MY PAST HISTORY AND PEOPLE TALKING TO ME USUALLY THE WEEK OF AND THE DAY OF ELECTION.

WHO SHOULD I VOTE FOR? A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, IF IT WERE A REPUBLICAN OR A DEMOCRAT, I JUST KNEW EXACTLY WHO I WOULD VOTE FOR. SO THAT CONCERNS ME IS THAT WE WOULD LOSE THAT NONPARTIZAN.

BUT I AM ALL OVER NONPARTIZANSHIP. YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THAT AT MY CORE THAT THAT IS WHAT MAKES THINGS GOOD.

BUT REMEMBER THAT IT'S NOT ONLY CITY ELECTIONS THAT ARE NONPARTISAN.

THE SCHOOL BOARD IS ALSO NONPARTISAN. AND THAT OCCURS ON BOTH THE PRIMARY.

AND THEN IF THEY DON'T GET TO 50%, THEY GO TO THE NOVEMBER GENERAL ELECTION.

AND I THINK IT IS THIS IS GOING INTO TOTAL PERSONAL OPINION.

IT'S JUST A SIGN OF THE TIMES THAT PEOPLE ARE A LITTLE BIT MORE TRIBAL NOW THAN THEY WERE, YOU KNOW, TEN YEARS AGO, 20 YEARS AGO WHEN I FIRST STARTED VOTING.

YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DIDN'T IDENTIFY AS MUCH WITH PARTY AS THEY DO NOW.

SO I HAVE I HAVE THE FEELING AND THIS IS, AGAIN, JUST PERSONAL OPINION THAT THAT TRAIN HAS ALREADY LEFT THE STATION, AND THAT THE TIMING OF THE ELECTION IS NOT WHAT'S CHANGING IT.

IT'S PEOPLE'S PERSONAL IDENTIFICATION THAT THEY, YOU KNOW, THEIR PARTY REPRESENTATION HAS BECOME PART OF WHO THEY ARE.

JUST LIKE THE MODEL OF CAR YOU DRIVE MAKES A STATEMENT ABOUT YOURSELF TO MANY PEOPLE.

THANK YOU. OKAY. UNUSUAL. BUT ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MISS HANSEN? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS STACIE VERMILION.

THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING US.

STACIE VERMILION, 255 FIRST AVENUE NORTH. I DON'T NEED TO REPEAT EVERYTHING THAT LAURA SAID.

SHE DID A GREAT JOB. THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER KEY POINTS THAT YOU WANT TO THINK ABOUT, AND THAT IS BY HAVING HIGHER VOTER TURNOUT.

AND IT REALLY IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HAVING 28 TO 30% ALL THE WAY UP TO 65 TO 80%.

YOU HAVE A MORE REPRESENTATIVE ELECTORATE. YOU HAVE MUCH MORE OF A PERSPECTIVE OF THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY LIVE HERE.

THE DEMOGRAPHICS. DEMOGRAPHICS HAVE SHOWN THAT DIFFERENT PEOPLE VOTE IN THE OFF CYCLE THAN VOTE IN NOVEMBER.

AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO HAVE EVERYBODY'S OPINION IF WE'RE GOING TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE RESIDENTS.

SO A BROAD ARRAY OF RESIDENTS IS A GOOD THING.

THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY BENEFIT IS CLEAR TOO.

AND WHILE I PERSONALLY FELT EARLY VOTING WAS IMPORTANT, AND TO ELIMINATE IT DID CONFUSE SOME, BUT SOME PEOPLE IT'S AN ADVANTAGE THAT WOULD EXIST AT NO ADDITIONAL COST, WHICH WOULD BE GREAT.

THE HISTORICAL CONTEXT IS THAT FOR 100 YEARS, FLORIDA HAS HAD THE SEPARATE LOCAL RACES FOR MUNICIPALITIES.

ONE THOUGHT WAS THE SEASONALITY THAT PEOPLE ARE HERE IN THE SEASON, AND THEY MIGHT NOT BE HERE IN NOVEMBER.

AND THAT HAS CHANGED, OBVIOUSLY BEEN PROVEN BY MARCO ISLAND AND CORAL GABLES HAS ALSO RECENTLY JUST CHANGED.

THE SECOND IS THE QUESTION THAT THE MAYOR BROUGHT UP ABOUT PARTIZANSHIP AND UNFORTUNATELY, THIS LAST ELECTION HAD LOTS OF DISCUSSION OF PARTIZANSHIP, SO I.

I AGREE WITH LAURA'S ASSESSMENT THAT. I THINK IT IS A SIGN OF THE TIMES AND IT ISN'T A COMPELLING REASON TO TO KEEP IT OFF CYCLE AND HAVE LOW VOTER PARTICIPATION. THE PRECEDENT DOES ALLOW YOU TO CHANGE THE CHARTER.

THAT'S CLEAR. AND OTHER OTHER COMMUNITIES HAVE DONE SO.

AS I SAID, CORAL GABLES DID RECENTLY CHANGE. AND AROUND THE COUNTRY, IT'S BEING THOUGHT OF AS A VERY IMPORTANT MOVE TO MAKE SURE THAT CITIZENS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE. WE HAVE TO TEACH THEM HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO VOTE, BUT WE HOPE THAT THIS WILL WORK FOR NAPLES.

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I LIKE TO VOTE ON THAT DAY. BUT FOR A CANDIDATE, EARLY VOTING CAN BE VERY CONTENTIOUS AND AND VERY DIFFICULT. SO THAT WAS WHERE I WAS COMING FROM WITH THAT.

BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR PERSPECTIVE. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS GARY COOPER.

THANK YOU, GARY COOPER. SINCE I'M HERE AND IF PEOPLE ACTED LIKE ADULTS, THEY WOULD FOLLOW THE SPEED LIMITS.

SO VERY GOOD POINTS BROUGHT UP. AND IT'S NOT MY OPINION THAT I'M PASSING ON JUST POINTS AND SOME OF THEM ARE ALREADY MADE, BUT NONPARTIZAN PART ABOUT IT AND ALSO THE TIMING LIKE OF THE TERMS, BUT SO MUCH IS MADE ABOUT THE MAIL IN BALLOTS. SO IF IT WERE AUGUST, I THINK THERE'D BE A LOT OF THOSE IN NOVEMBER. IT'S, IT'S QUITE A LOT GOING ON AND IT KIND OF REDUCES HOW IMPORTANT CITY COUNCIL IS A SMALL CITY LIKE THIS.

IT KIND OF REDUCES THE EMPHASIS ON WHAT CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY BIG ISSUES.

YOU GOT GOVERNOR, YOU HAVE. SO YOU HAVE STATE, FEDERAL, MAYBE REFERENDUMS. THAT'S A LOT. IT KIND OF DIMINISHES WHAT SOMEBODY'S RUNNING.

AND THEN YOU GO CAMPAIGNING AMONGST ALL THAT.

SO YOU KNOW, AND THEN YOU'D BE CAMPAIGNING AGAIN WHEN PEOPLE AREN'T HERE IN THIS FALL.

SO IT'S INTERESTING TOPIC ABOUT THE CONSOLIDATION.

THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD POINTS FOR IT, BUT IT'S A LITTLE PARTICULAR IN NAPLES OR IN OTHER PLACES LIKE THIS.

I THINK ABOUT HOW IT REALLY WORKS, WHETHER IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT OR NOT.

BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND THE ECONOMICS, BUT I JUST I JUST HOPE THAT THEY, THEY CAN MAYBE YOU NEED THAT EXTRA TIME OR YEAR TO THINK ABOUT ALL THE THINGS, HOW IT WOULD REALLY AFFECT HERE, IN A CITY LIKE THIS AND HOW HOW IT AND THE PARTIZANSHIP AND EVERYTHING.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO THERE'S A LOT TO THINK ABOUT HERE.

FIRST OF ALL THERE'S NOT A PERSON IN THE ROOM THAT I THINK HAS BEEN MORE INVOLVED IN THE ELECTIONS AND I RESPECT LAURA HANSON REYNOLDS RECOMMENDATIONS. I MIGHT ASK, THOUGH, HAS IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE GO AND ASK THE COMMUNITY? I MEAN, THAT WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE OR DOES THIS COUNCIL JUST MAKE THIS DECISION ON BEHALF OF THIS COMMUNITY? THAT WOULD BE THE, THE OTHER THING THAT I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT.

YEAH. MAYOR. I CAN ANSWER THE, THE LEGAL ASPECT OF THIS, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

OKAY. SO REFERENDUMS ARE TWO ORDINANCES, TWO READINGS, RIGHT? THANK YOU. SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL HAVE AN ADVERTISED MEETING BEFORE THE SECOND READING TEN DAYS BEFORE THE MEETING.

SO YOU'LL HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. IT'S AN ORDINANCE THAT YOU PASS THAT ESSENTIALLY WITH REFERENDUM LANGUAGE GETS ADDED TO THE BALLOT.

SO THERE IS PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT. THANK YOU. THAT THAT SATISFIES THAT.

I FORGOT ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. KRAMER, IT IS INTERESTING THAT WE WOULD ONLY VOTE ON THE REFERENDUM IN A OFF.

YOU KNOW, YOU WONDER HOW THAT WILL WORK. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE'RE MAKING THE DECISION WITH WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED THE LEAST IN POINT OF ENGAGEMENT, I GUESS, IS THE WAY TO PUT THAT, I DON'T KNOW.

I THINK THIS IS JUST MY OPINION, Y'ALL. THE QUESTION IS, IS VOTER ENGAGEMENT THE ULTIMATE GOAL? IS, IS IT ALL ABOUT HOW MANY PEOPLE VOTE? IF THAT'S THE CASE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS.

IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN THAT WOULD BE THE OVERWHELMING THING THAT JUST PUSHES THE SCALES ALL THE WAY DOWN.

AND IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, THEN. THEN THERE'S LOTS OF STUFF TO CHEW ON.

AND IT'S IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SAY. IT'S NOT THE CASE, QUITE HONESTLY.

IT'S HARD TO SAY. DOUBLING YOUR VOTER TURNOUT ISN'T WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

FOR ME, I ALWAYS IT'S EVERYTHING HAS A PRICE TAG TO IT AND I, AND SO WE KNOW THAT IT'S REALLY HELPFUL TO HAVE OUR COUNTY PAY FOR THIS THING AND NOT US. BUT ANYWAY, I, I'M LISTENING TO MY COLLEAGUES.

I HAVE A REALLY OPEN MIND ON THIS. AND I JUST THINK WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHAT THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE DEAL IS.

AND IF IT IS GETTING VOTER TURNOUT, THEN THAT IT'S AN OBVIOUS ANSWER.

THANK YOU. KRAMER. I MEAN. BURTON. JUST MY $0.02 HERE.

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AND WE'VE, WE'VE HEARD FROM OUR SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS FROM A STANDPOINT OF OUR OUR CLERK AND ALSO OUR SUPERVISOR ELECTIONS HAS TOLD US. AFTER DOING THE RESEARCH THAT THAT IT MORE THAN LIKELY WILL SIGNIFICANTLY INCREASE THE.

VOTER PARTICIPATION. SO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE OUR PRIORITY.

I THINK THAT SHOULD BE OUR FOCUS. AND THE FACT THAT WE ALSO ARE GOING TO TAKE A $50,000 EXPENSE OFF THE TABLE CERTAINLY DOES SWEETEN THE POT.

SO. I DON'T MEAN TO, TO DISCOUNT ANY OF THE, ANY OF THE, THE CONS THAT WERE LISTED THERE.

THEY'RE, THEY'RE LEGITIMATE, BUT I CERTAINLY DON'T THINK THEY OUTWEIGH THE WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE THE MOST IMPORTANT PART, WHICH IS VOTER ENGAGEMENT, RIGHT? SO ABOUT VOTER ENGAGEMENT.

COUNCILMAN BARTLEBAUGH IS THAT MEANS THAT CAMPAIGNING WOULD HAPPEN DURING THE SUMMER WHEN WE KNOW THAT NO ONE'S HERE.

YOU'RE RIGHT. TRYING TO GATHER THAT THOUGHT AROUND ME.

IT JUST DOESN'T. AFTER BEING DOING I'VE DONE THIS SINCE OH EIGHT.

I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GO KNOCKING ON DOORS AND NO ONE'S HERE.

I THINK THAT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN. BUT WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS THAT WE ARE A HECK OF A LOT LESS SEASONAL THAN WE USED TO BE.

YOU KNOW, THIS IS THIS IS NOT THE 80S WHEN OUR TOWN WAS LITERALLY A GHOST TOWN.

FOR THE MONTHS OF SUMMER, BECAUSE NOBODY WAS HERE.

THE REALITY IS WE ARE BECOMING A LOT LESS SEASONAL AND CONTINUING, CONTINUING TO BECOME A LOT LESS SEASONAL, IN MY OPINION. I DON'T THINK IN MY OPINION, I THINK IT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE'S OPINIONS. SO THAT IS A LEGITIMATE CONCERN AND THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

I WILL ALSO SUGGEST THAT, YOU KNOW, SOCIAL MEDIA TAKES A LOT OF THAT OUT OF THE EQUATION AS WELL, BECAUSE EVEN IF PEOPLE ARE IN THEIR VACATION HOME UP THERE IN MICHIGAN, THEY'RE JUMPING ON FACEBOOK.

AND GUESS WHAT, GUYS, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF YOU, BUT I HAD A BUNCH OF NEW THINGS POPPING UP ON MY FACEBOOK FEED IN REFERENCE TO THIS ELECTION. I ALSO HAD MY PHONE TEXTING ME ALMOST, YOU KNOW, FIVE, SIX TIMES A DAY ABOUT THE ELECTION.

SO I CAN PROMISE YOU THEIR CELL PHONES ARE WORKING IN MICHIGAN AND OHIO AND NORTH CAROLINA JUST AS WELL AS THEY ARE HERE, AND THEY'RE GETTING ALL SORTS OF NOTICES ABOUT THE UPCOMING ELECTION THAT'S HAPPENING IN FLORIDA AS PEOPLE ARE CAMPAIGNING DOWN HERE. SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THAT SOCIAL MEDIA IS BECOMING THE IMPACT OF SOCIAL MEDIA IS HAVING A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL BEING REACHED, EVEN WHEN THEY'RE NOT HERE PHYSICALLY. YEAH. I'M NOT TRYING TO BE ARGUMENTATIVE.

I JUST WANT TO GET THESE CONVERSATIONS OUT BECAUSE YES, LEGITIMATE, I AGREE.

BUT I ALSO HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY THEY WERE IGNORING THOSE TEXTS.

AND YOU SAID SOMETHING ELSE ABOUT SEASONAL. OH, SEASONAL.

ARE THOSE SEASONAL VOTERS? YEAH. WELL, I MEAN, YEAH.

ARE THEY REGISTERED HERE OR ARE NOT REGISTERED HERE? EXACTLY.

AGAIN, LEGITIMATE CONCERNS AND, AND VALID ARGUMENTS, BUT I HAVE A FEELING THAT THOSE THAT THAT ARE INTERESTED IN VOTING IN OUR ELECTION ARE GOING TO FIND A WAY TO DO IT AND FIND A WAY TO PAY ATTENTION WHETHER THEY'RE HERE OR NOT. YEAH.

OKAY. VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP. YEAH. I'M REALLY TORN ON THIS BECAUSE I LOVE THE COST SAVINGS.

I LOVE THE IDEA OF INCREASING TURNOUT. AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE, ALL THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE SO FAR.

THEY'RE VERY TRUE. MY CONCERN IS FOR ME AND THIS IS ANECDOTAL FOR ME.

I ENJOY THE FORUMS THAT THE HOA HAS PUT ON AND THAT THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS PUTS ON.

THAT THOSE REALLY DO A GOOD JOB OF INFORMING PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN VOTING ABOUT WHAT THE CANDIDATES ARE, WHO THEY ARE, THEIR BACKGROUNDS, WHAT THEY STAND FOR, NOT JUST A TEXT OR SOCIAL MEDIA POST, BUT THEY REALLY GET A SENSE OF WHAT PEOPLE BELIEVE.

AND AS A CANDIDATE, IT WAS VERY HELPFUL TO HEAR THE QUESTIONS AND HAVE THE DIALOG THAT BEFORE AND AFTER THE FORUMS FROM PEOPLE AND WHAT THEIR, WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT US TO ADDRESS.

THEY WANT US TO TO SOLVE. AND I WORRY ABOUT SHIFTING THOSE TO SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER THAT.

YES, THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE HERE, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO AREN'T HERE OR WHO AREN'T ENGAGED, AND I JUST WORRY ABOUT LOSING THAT ELEMENT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE INPUT FROM THE HOA LEADERS WHO PUT ON THOSE FORUMS TO SEE IF THEY THINK THEY CAN STILL CONDUCT A GOOD FORUM AND STILL GET GOOD INPUT AND GET PEOPLE ENGAGED.

OR IF THEY THINK THEY WOULD LOSE PEOPLE. AND SITTING ON THE MOORINGS PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION BOARD FOR SEVEN YEARS, WE HAD ALMOST NOBODY COME TO OUR MEETINGS IN SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, NOVEMBER, THEY DO IN DECEMBER, JANUARY, FEBRUARY. AND THEN THEY START TO GO AWAY AGAIN IN MARCH.

THEY JUST ARE ENGAGED IN OTHER THINGS. I DON'T KNOW THAT WE WOULD EXPERIENCE THAT SAME PATTERN IN AN ELECTION,

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AND I JUST REALLY HAVE THAT CONCERN THAT HAVING IT ON THE NOVEMBER BALLOT WHERE EITHER EVERYBODY'S CONCERNED ABOUT VOTING FOR PRESIDENT OR THEY'RE CONCERNED ABOUT VOTING FOR GOVERNOR OR CONGRESS OR SOMETHING ELSE. YEAH, WE MAY GET 98% TURNOUT IN THOSE ELECTIONS, BUT HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE REALLY GOING TO BE ENGAGED IN OUR ELECTION? SEVERAL RACES DOWN BELOW.

THE STATE LEGISLATORS, COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, SCHOOL BOARD JUDGES, ALL THOSE MOSQUITO CONTROL DISTRICT, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT ARE ON OUR BALLOTS. HOW DO WE GET THEM PEOPLE REALLY INFORMED AND ENGAGED AND HELP HELP THEM MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS.

I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THIS CHANGE AT ALL. I'M JUST SHARING WHAT MY CONCERNS ARE AS WE CONSIDER WHETHER TO MAKE IT.

THANKS. PENMAN. I'VE HEARD FOR YEARS WHEN IT COMES TO ELECTION TIME, THAT ONE OF THE BEST FORUMS THAT IS PRESENTED IS, QUITE FRANKLY, THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS FORUM, WHICH IS DONE RIGHT HERE IN COUNCIL CHAMBERS.

AND I WILL SAY THAT THE TURNOUT THIS YEAR I THOUGHT WAS REALLY TERRIFIC OVER HERE IN THE, IN THE BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET.

SO THAT'S FRANK. QUITE FRANKLY, THE LEAST OF MY CONCERNS, TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST WITH YOU.

AND IF WE HAVE THE RIGHT TIMELINE RELATIVE TO WHEN YOU CAN ORDER YOUR BALLOT AND MAKE SURE THAT IT GETS IN ON TIME AND SO FORTH.

I THANK YOU. I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS. I DON'T HAPPEN TO SHARE THEM.

THIS COULD BE A ONE OFF. POSSIBLY. LET'S GIVE IT A TRY.

SEE HOW IT WORKS OUT. IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS A BAD IDEA.

WE DON'T REPEAT IT. SO WE COULD ALWAYS DO A ONE OFF AND SEE IF THE IF THE VOTERS TURN OUT.

YEAH, BUT IT'S A REFERENDUM. IT'S IT'S AMENDING OUR CHARTER.

THAT'S IT'S. YEAH. IT'S THIS PARTICULAR TIME.

YEAH, YEAH. SO THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE CAN'T THROW IT TO A DIFFERENT.

IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT IT, IF YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO SOMEHOW OR OTHER BE IMPINGED UPON.

WE COULD ALWAYS SELL THE CHARTER WILL BE AFFECTED BY THIS. OH THE CHARTER YOU'RE SAYING IT HAS TO BE A CHARTER. YEAH. AND I.

YEAH. CHARTER CHANGE. YEAH. I AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THE TWO FORUMS WITH THE LEAGUE OF WOMEN VOTERS.

IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST INFORMATIVE AND THE ONA WAS GOOD, BUT SO IS GSAC THIS YEAR.

AND I WILL TELL YOU IT WAS FILLED. YES. I'VE NOT REALLY SEEN SUCH A LARGE TURNOUT.

SO AND THOSE ARE TYPICALLY VOTERS THAT AREN'T HERE, YOU KNOW, YEAR ROUND.

SO ALL OF THIS IS KIND OF ASSUMPTIONS. I MEAN, JUST LOOKING IN THE ROOM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST MY OBSERVATION.

THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. KRAMER. I MEAN BARTON, NOW YOU'RE TOGETHER.

COUNCILMAN BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT THAT I SHOULD HAVE FOCUSED ON OR TOUCHED ON AS WELL.

AND WE SHOULD ALL REALLY REMEMBER HERE. THIS IS NOT OUR CHOICE.

WE ARE NOT WE ARE NOT VOTING THIS IN. SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN HAVE ALL THE CONCERNS IN THE WORLD UP HERE.

WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THE VOTERS OF OUR COMMUNITY THE OPPORTUNITY TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA OR NOT. ALL WE'RE DECIDING IS WHETHER WE SHOULD GIVE THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY OR NOT, AND I CERTAINLY THINK WE SHOULD GIVE THEM THAT OPPORTUNITY. YOU KNOW, THE REALITY IS THEY'RE THE ONES MAKING THIS CHOICE, NOT US, WHICH IS NICE. WHAT A NICE CHANGE, RIGHT? WE'RE NOT THE ONES THAT CAN THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE THIS THIS DECISION FOR THEM.

THEY GET THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THIS DECISION FOR THEMSELVES. SO AGAIN, THAT'S THAT'S EVERYBODY'S BRINGING UP GREAT POINTS. AND YOU KNOW, THE COUNTERPOINTS AND THE PROS AND THE CONS ARE ALL LEGITIMATE AND THEY'RE ALL THERE AND THEY'RE ALL WORTH DISCUSSING. AND WE WILL HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ON THE ORDINANCE AS WE MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO VOTE ON THIS OR NOT. BUT THE POINT IS, WHILE WE'VE GOT A BUNCH OF VALID POINTS UP HERE, ULTIMATELY WE'RE GOING TO LET THEM MAKE THE DECISION HERE. SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE US THAT ARE DICTATING WHEN THIS ELECTION TAKES PLACE FROM THE MAN WITH FEW WORDS, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT. THANK YOU.

CARL. HEY, ON FIRST LOOK AT THIS. IT LOOKED LIKE A NO BRAINER.

YOU KNOW, MORE ENGAGEMENT. BIG, NICE COST SAVINGS.

YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT YOU'D WANT TO MAKE A PROPER DECISION ON, BUT I AGREE IT SHOULD BE A RESIDENT QUESTION AT THIS POINT AND FOCUS BECAUSE

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I MEAN, IN THE FUTURE WITH LESS FOCUS ON IT. BURIED IN A BIG ELECTION IN NOVEMBER.

COULD REALLY TAMPER DOWN THE WHOLE QUALITY LEVEL OR WHATEVER OF THE WHOLE PROCESS.

SO THAT BEING SAID, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION FOR THE RESIDENTS.

SCHOLZ HAVING PARTICIPATED IN THE RECENT ELECTION DEBATES VERSUS FORUMS I THINK DEBATES.

LINCOLN-DOUGLAS DEBATES WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY ADDRESS PEOPLE'S POSITIONS ON TOPICS.

I THINK THE FORUMS WERE TOO STERILE IN MY JUDGMENT, IS THAT YOU COULDN'T.

IF THERE WAS SOME SAY KRAMER HAD TO SAY ABOUT SOMETHING HE DIDN'T LIKE WHAT SCHULTZ SAID.

WE COULD ASK EACH OTHER ABOUT IT IN A NON-CONFRONTATIONAL WAY.

THE ISSUE GOES BACK AGAIN TO ONE THAT I HEARKENED ON THE ON THE PABX AS IT PERTAINED TO HAVING THE 2045 STUDY DONE. WHEN THE RESIDENTS WEREN'T PRIMARILY HERE.

WHAT ULTIMATELY CAME ABOUT, THOUGH, IS THAT THE PARTICIPATION DIDN'T REALLY GO UP A LOT AFTER THE FACT THAT THEY WERE HERE, AND I BELIEVE FEBRUARY WAS THE TIME WHEN THEY HAD A NEW ONE WAS ADDED.

SO I WAS DISAPPOINTED THAT THERE WEREN'T MORE RESIDENTS ACTUALLY GOING FOR IT TO BE HEARD.

BUT I'M ALL IN FAVOR OF GIVING THEM THE CHOICE TO MAKE IT.

BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE THE SPONSORS OF THE FORUMS ACTUALLY HAVE DEBATES.

I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO FIND OUT, NOT JUST EVERYBODY'S CANNED ANSWER WHERE IT'S FOCUS GROUPED AND ALL THAT.

SO JUST IF YOU'RE GOING TO GET INTO BEING ABLE TO SHARE OPINIONS AND VIEWPOINTS, AT LEAST HAVE SOMEONE BE ABLE TO, TO CHALLENGE A POINT COUNTERPOINT AND OR ASK A FOLLOW UP QUESTION.

JUST, BUT I THINK THE VOTERS DEFINITELY SHOULD BE SHOULD BE PULLED ON THIS.

ANY FURTHER INPUT? I WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE FOCUS GROUPS.

THAT'S CRAZY. YOU DID, YOU DID. OKAY. WELL COUNCIL IT'S TIME. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER QUESTIONS OR DEBATE, SOMEHOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD FOR DIRECTION.

TO. I MEAN, I AGREE WITH YOU. WE SHOULD PROBABLY ASK THE H O A'S, BUT I ALSO KNOW THAT ALL HOA'S DON'T SPEAK FOR ALL RESIDENTS, SO WE HAVE TO TAKE THAT FOR. BUT IT'S A GOOD POINT.

AND THEY CAN CERTAINLY PARTICIPATE. WHEN IT'S ON THE AGENDA.

FOR AN ORDINANCE CHANGE. OKAY. ANY RECOMMENDATIONS? I MEAN RECOMMEND THAT WE GET CONSENSUS TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.

IS THAT THE RIGHT THING TO DO? IT IS. WE NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DIRECTION.

I WOULD LOOK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, MR. MCCONNELL, ON ANY OTHER INFORMATION YOU MIGHT NEED, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING WORDS TOGETHER THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE INPUT FOR.

AND YOU WILL. ABSOLUTELY. I WOULDN'T DO THIS ON MY OWN WITH WITH MADAM CLERK, I'VE ALREADY PREPARED THREE ORDINANCES FOR THE THREE SEPARATE REFERENDUMS THAT COUNCIL HAS ALREADY DIRECTED US TO. SO THOSE ARE COMING UP PROBABLY APRIL 15TH.

BUT I'LL WORK WITH MADAME RAMOS TO PUT TOGETHER AN ADDITIONAL ORDINANCE RELATED TO THIS, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO CREATE.

THERE MAY BE TWO SEPARATE REFERENDUMS, BECAUSE THE REASON SOMETIMES YOU WANT TO SEPARATE QUESTIONS IS BECAUSE IF SOMEONE ANSWERS NO TO ONE, THEN IT'S NO TO.

ALL RIGHT. SO IT IS A GOOD PRACTICE TO KEEP QUESTIONS SEPARATE, SUCH AS MOVING THE ELECTION DATE, AND THEN A SEPARATE QUESTION RELATED TO HOW THE TERM WILL WORK.

SO I CAN WORK WITH MADAME BOSC IF IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION OF COUNCIL TO BRING THIS BACK FORWARD TO YOU WITH THE REFERENDUM LANGUAGE THAT COUNCIL WILL BE ABLE TO VET REVIEW.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S LIMITATIONS ON HOW LONG THAT LANGUAGE CAN BE, HAS TO BE IN SPANISH AS WELL.

BUT ALL OF THAT WILL BE PRESENTED TO YOU FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION.

MRS. I'M SORRY, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? NO. BUT IN ADDITION TO WHAT MATTHEW SAID IT MAY AFFECT THE CHARTER PERTAINING TO THE CANVASING BOARD CODE. SO WE MAY HAVE TO ELIMINATE THAT AND THAT WOULD MAY BE A QUESTION AS WELL.

AND THEN ONE THING THAT I DID REACH OUT TO CITY CLERKS THAT HAVE IMPLEMENTED THIS CHANGE TO FIND OUT IF THERE WAS ANY GLARING THING THAT THEY COULD LET ME KNOW THAT IF THEY COULD DO IT OVER. WHAT WOULD YOU CHANGE? AND THEY SAID THAT KEEPING THE QUALIFYING WITH THE CITY CLERK AND KEEPING THE CONNECTION WITH THE CANDIDATES TO THE CITY WOULD BE THE ONE THING THAT THEY

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SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY IMPORTANT. AND THEN THAT IS ON THE BACK PAGE OF THE HANDOUT THAT I GAVE YOU.

SECTION 13.4. AND THEN IN THAT PARAGRAPH, INTERESTINGLY, BECAUSE THIS WAS A REALLY OLD CHARTER, BUT YOU'RE PAYING A REGISTRATION FILING FEE OF $25 TO THE CITY TO FILE FOR CITY COUNCIL.

SO.

WASN'T THAT FILING FEE BASED ON THE SALARY? NO.

I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THERE WAS A SALARY. QUALIFYING. 13 FOUR. RIGHT. BUT THERE'S A FILING FEE TO THE CITY AND THAT.

AND THAT QUALIFYING FEE GOES TO THE STATE. THE CITY DOES NOT GET THAT.

THE CITY GETS $25. OKAY. SO THE FOUR, 400 OR WHATEVER IT WAS.

I THOUGHT YOU HAD TOLD ME THAT IT WAS BASED ON.

RIGHT. BUT THAT GOES TO THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

THE STATE DOESN'T STAY HERE. YES, I GOT YOU. OKAY, SO THE CITY'S FILING FEE IS 20.

THAT'S WHAT WE GOT $25 FOR OUR SERVICES. SO SO, MAYOR, IF I MAY, THIS BRINGS UP AN INTERESTING TOPIC BECAUSE NONE OF THESE OTHER CHANGES MATTER.

IF THE FIRST IF THE ANSWER TO THE FIRST QUESTION IS NO, RIGHT? LIKE IF WE DON'T MOVE THE ELECTION, THEN WE DON'T REMOVE THE CANVASING BOARD AND WE DON'T WORRY ABOUT TERMS AND WE DON'T DO ANYTHING ELSE TO OUR CHARTER.

SO I'M WONDERING IF COUNCIL WOULD BE OPEN FOR THIS YEAR IF WE DO MOVE FORWARD, TO JUST ASK THE ONE QUESTION ON MOVING THE ELECTION, BECAUSE WE ALSO HAVE IF THAT IF THAT PASSES, THEN WE HAVE NEXT YEAR TO KIND OF CLEAN UP OUR CHARTER WHEN IT COMES TO THE THE COMMITTEES AND THE TERMS, ETC.. AND THAT'S JUST AN OPTION.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO WITH IT, BUT THEY'RE ALL CONTINGENT ON THAT FIRST QUESTION.

SO THAT WOULD BE CANVASING BOARD BECAUSE THE CANVASING BOARD DOESN'T HAVE TO GO TO THE COUNTY IF WE CHOOSE NOT TO PUT IT IN THE LANGUAGE.

OR DOES IT? IT WOULD HAVE TO. YES. CORRECT. GO TO THE CANVASING BOARD WOULD DEFINITELY BECOME THE ACCOUNT.

YES. CORRECT. OKAY. I MEAN, THAT'S A FAIR TRANSPARENT PROCESS.

I'M NOT CONCERNED. I'M JUST BRINGING UP THE POINT.

SO AND THEN THE FILING WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD PERSONALLY SUPPORT THAT WE WOULD, IF WE MOVE FORWARD, WOULD BE THAT THE FILING AND THE QUALIFICATIONS WOULD BE DONE BY THE CITY CLERK.

AND WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, I HAVE A QUESTION ON THAT.

YES. KRAMER. THE GENERAL. SO THE QUESTION WOULD BE, ARE WE GOING TO MOVE TO THE GENERAL ELECTION? THAT WOULD BE THE REFERENDUM QUESTION YOU'RE SAYING INITIALLY.

IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. OR THE I THINK YOU SUGGESTED THE PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY.

BUT YEAH, EITHER ONE. OKAY. SO SO THEN MY QUESTION.

WELL THERE'S TWO CYCLES, RIGHT. BUT IT COULD BE ON THE SAME. IT COULD BE EVERY TIME. WELL, I GUESS IN THE FALL, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN AUGUST SOMETHING EVERY TIME, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S ANOTHER THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD. SO THEN MY QUESTION IS, WOULD THERE BE ANY OTHER PART OF THAT THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO REFERENDUM? OR WOULD IT JUST BE THAT ONE PART AND THEN WE AND THEN WE BUILD IT IN THE CODE AND WE TAKE CARE OF THAT.

BUT WOULD OTHER ASPECT WE HAVE TO GO. I'M GUESSING WE HAVE TO GO BACK WITH MORE WITH ANOTHER REFERENDUM OR MORE THAN ONE REFERENDUM TO CLEAN IT ALL UP.

YOU WOULD DEFINITELY WANT TO. FOR THE TERM, WITHOUT A DOUBT, THAT WOULD ABSOLUTELY GO BACK.

THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH BOTH OF THEM ON THE SAME ONE, JUST BEING REALISTIC IS IF YOU ANSWER NO TO ONE, THEN THE NEXT QUESTION DOESN'T MATTER. SO IF THEY SAID YES, SO I HAVE A COUNTER PROBLEM.

IF THEY SAID YES TO LET'S MOVE IT AND THEN NO TO THE TERM, THEN WE'RE IN A PICKLE.

IF YOU IF YOU COMBINE THEM INTO ONE QUESTION.

CORRECT. BUT IF YOU HAD TWO QUESTIONS ON THE SAME BALLOT, FOR EXAMPLE, IN AUGUST.

IF I LOOK AT THE FIRST QUESTION, I SAY I DON'T WANT TO MOVE THE ELECTION.

THEN MY ANSWER TO THE NEXT QUESTION DOESN'T MATTER, RIGHT? I'M JUST SUGGESTING IF YOU SAID I DO WANT TO MOVE THE ELECTION, BUT THEN SAID NO TO THE TERM, WHAT COACH IS SAYING IS IF THEY VOTE YES TO MOVE IT.

AND THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION WE HAVE ON THIS UPCOMING BALLOT, IS A VOTE.

WHETHER WE MOVE IT OR DON'T MOVE IT. AND THE VOTE IS YES.

AND THEN THE ANCILLARY ISSUES ARE ON THE. DO WE NEED TO PUT THEM ON A REFERENDUM ON THE NEXT BALLOT, OR ARE THE ANCILLARY ISSUES HANDLED BY US VIA ORDINANCE FOR OUR CHARTER? IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER, BUT YOU'RE MAKING A GOOD POINT. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING. THANK YOU FOR. THAT'S GREAT.

DOUBLE DOOZY ALREADY. CAN WE GET SOME ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS? I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. AND IF MR. RAMOS DOESN'T MIND.

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LIKE JUST KIND OF GAME PLAN ALL OF THIS FOR YOU ALL.

THAT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER BECAUSE TECHNICALLY WE HAVE UNTIL THE FIRST MEETING AND I WOULD SAY FIRST MEETING IN MAY, FIRST READING, SECOND MEETING IN MAY, SECOND READING LANGUAGE PROPOSED BY JUNE.

I THINK EIGHTH IS THE DEADLINE. SO WE HAVE A FEW MEETINGS.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT COULD COME ABOUT AS.

QUESTIONS, MISS? NOTHING I HAVE RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG. NO, I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT. EXCUSE ME? THAT EVEN THOUGH THE WORKSHOP IS PRETTY HEAVY, THE NEXT TIME IS IF THEY DO AS THEY'RE DOING THEIR EVALUATION WITH THE COUNTY, WE JUST ADDED TO A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE.

IF IF IT'LL HELP ASSIST, GET TO AN ACTUAL ORDINANCE IN MAY.

THAT WOULD JUST BE MY RECOMMENDATION. LISA. IT'S NOT COMING COLD THAT DAY AND THEY CAN INFORM YOU OF WHAT THAT IS.

SO I'LL PUT A PLACEHOLDER OR HAVE CHRISTINA PUT A PLACEHOLDER IN THE SECOND MEETING IN APRIL, IN CASE THERE'S ANY IMMEDIATE INFORMATION TO SHARE OR GAIN FEEDBACK FOR.

RIGHT. SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY KRAMER ASKED ABOUT IT WOULD THIS REFERENDUM WOULD GO ON THE. AUGUST. CORRECT. WE WOULD HAVE A TOTAL OF FOUR.

THIS WOULD BE THE FOURTH. REFERENDUM BECAUSE WE HAVE.

THAT CONCERNS ME. WE HAVE BLUE BLUE RIBBON, BLUE RIBBON SALARY INCREASE AND APPOINTING A VACANCY.

WE WERE REQUIRED TO HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION IN 60 DAYS AND.

THAT'S NOT FEASIBLE. SO WE'RE CHANGING THAT TO. I ARE PROPOSING TO CHANGE IT IF COUNCIL APPROVES IT TO.

I BELIEVE 120 DAYS TO ALLOW THE SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION TO PROPERLY HOLD A SPECIAL ELECTION.

SO THOSE ARE THREE SEPARATE REFERENDUM QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW THAT WILL BE PRESENTED TO YOU IN.

FIRST READING ON APRIL 15TH. BLUE RIBBON SALARY INCREASE.

YES. CORRECT. THIRD WAS THE TIME FRAME TO HAVE A SPECIAL ELECTION.

IF WHEN THERE'S A VACANCY IN A TERM THAT'S LONGER THAN A YEAR.

I BELIEVE.

OKAY. WELL, DO I HAVE A YES TO MOVE FORWARD A CONSENSUS? COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ. IN MY PERSPECTIVE, YES.

AND I WOULD THINK THAT THE CLERK WOULD BE VERY HAPPY.

WILLING TO COME IF THAT WOULD BE OUR DESIRE OR IF IT WOULD TAKE SOME SOME OF THE HEAT OFF OF PAT.

I WOULD THINK THAT ACTUALLY. SUPERVISOR OF ELECTION.

YEAH. NO, ACTUALLY IT DOESN'T CHANGE MY DUTIES AT ALL.

FINE. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER. OKAY. VICE MAYOR.

YES. KRAMER. HORTON. YES, YES. OKAY. SO YOU HAVE A CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD TO BRING THIS BACK.

AND I AGREE WITH MR. YOUNG THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AT A REGULAR MEETING IN ORDER TO MEET THE.

THE ORDINANCE. INFORMATION WOULD WE REQUIRE BE REQUIRED.

HAVING MELISSA BLAZER COME HERE AS THE SUPERVISOR ELECTION TO ADDRESS IT OR.

NO. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD ANSWERED BY HER AND.

THAT TIME FRAME. CORRECT. BUT I DON'T THINK SHE IS NECESSARY TO BRING HER HERE.

OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

COMMENTS. OKAY. THAT WAS EASY. THANK YOU.

THAT TAKES US TO. THANK YOU, MRS. RAMOS. FOR SIX B.

[6.B) Discussion and Direction Regarding Electric Bicycles and Code Update Responsive to Guidance and Direction Received During the December 8th, 2026 City Council Workshop.]

THERE'S ALSO, YOU KNOW, SOME CONSISTENCIES IN TERMS OF WHAT THE DIRECTION HAS BEEN.

IT'S BEEN MODIFIED OVER OVER A COUPLE OF MEETINGS AND MR..

HAUSTEIN WILL GO THROUGH THAT A LITTLE BIT, BUT THE LAST ONE WAS ALSO SOME GIVE US SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, HOW IT WOULD WORK, OTHER THINGS. SO WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS JUST START OFF WITH A BICYCLE AND A BICYCLE UPDATE FROM WHERE WE WERE LAST TIME.

A DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT INCLUDES LANGUAGE THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE MOST RECENT DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL.

AND THEN ALSO JUST TALK ABOUT THE TOURS AGAIN AND HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY HAVE SOME DISCUSSION WITH ALL OF YOU AND THE NEW MEMBERS OF COUNCIL RELATED TO THAT

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SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING COUNCIL.

DAN ORENSTEIN, CITY ENGINEER, STORMWATER MANAGER HERE TO SPEAK WITH YOU REGARDING BICYCLE AND BICYCLE REGULATIONS.

THIS IS A CONTINUING DISCUSSION FROM PREVIOUS WORKSHOPS IN SEPTEMBER AND DECEMBER 2025.

THE DISCUSSION BOILS DOWN TO A FEW QUESTIONS.

FIRST, SHOULD BICYCLES, ELECTRIC BICYCLES AND MICROMOBILITY DEVICES BE ALLOWED TO BE WRITTEN ON THE SIDEWALK? THE ANSWER WAS NO. HOWEVER, AN EXEMPTION WAS TO BE MADE FOR BICYCLISTS WHERE THERE ARE NO DESIGNATED BIKE ROUTES ON THE ROADWAY.

E-BIKES WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED ON THE SIDEWALK WERE SIGNED.

THE SECOND QUESTION WAS SHOULD MICRO-MOBILITY PROVIDERS LIKE VEO AND BIRD BE ALLOWED TO OPERATE IN THE CITY? THE ANSWER WAS A CONFIRMED NO. NEXT, SHOULD BICYCLE AND MICROMOBILITY TOUR COMPANIES BE ALLOWED TO OPERATE IN THE CITY. THE ANSWER WAS ALSO A CONFIRMED NO PENDING REVIEW BY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.

THE LAST QUESTION WAS SHOULD COUNTY REGULATIONS GENERALLY BE FOLLOWED IN THE CITY? AND THE ANSWER WAS YES. TO THE EXTENT IT MEETS THE INTENT OF COUNCIL.

ACCORDINGLY, WE HAVE ATTACHED A NEW DRAFT OF THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE.

THE DRAFT PROHIBITS BICYCLES AND BICYCLES FROM PUBLIC SIDEWALKS AND BUSINESS DISTRICTS, WITH EXEMPTIONS FOR BICYCLISTS ONLY, WHERE THERE ARE NO DESIGNATED ROUTES, AND BY WAY OF THE GORDON RIVER GREENWAY AND BAKER PARK.

THE NEW DRAFT ALSO PROVIDES LANGUAGE TO PROHIBIT MICRO-MOBILITY PROVIDERS AND HAS A SECTION RESERVED TO PROHIBIT BICYCLE AND MICROMOBILITY TOUR COMPANIES. LASTLY, LANGUAGE IS PROVIDED TO FOLLOW COUNTY REGULATIONS FOR EBIKES, WHERE IT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE COUNCIL, INCLUDING AGE LIMITATIONS ON E-BIKES, STOPPING FOR SCHOOL BUSSES AND YIELDING FOR PEDESTRIANS.

THANK YOU. SO POINT OF CLARITY, MADAM MAYOR. THAT SLIDE THAT'S UP THERE THAT ACTUALLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS IN YOUR PACKET, IT'S VERY EASY FOR STAFF TO SAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO PROHIBIT IT.

THE QUESTION IS, IS IT LEGAL OR NOT? AND SO WHEN YOU SEE THE RESOLUTION THAT THAT IS IN YOUR PACKET THAT LANGUAGE HAS SUBSEQUENTLY BEEN STRICKEN AND A PLACEHOLDER WAS THERE FOR THE CITY ASKING THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY HAVE DISCUSSION OR PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ON THAT MATTER. AS WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE, BEING A VERY DIFFICULT AND SLIPPERY SLOPE AT TIMES.

EVEN AS LATE AS DECEMBER. SOME OF THE DISCUSSIONS WERE AS WELL.

IT'S OKAY FOR OUR HOTEL, BUT MAYBE NOT SOMEBODY TO RUN A TOUR.

SO I JUST WANT TO DEFER, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT THERE AND CLARIFY THAT THOSE SLIDES WERE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAD WRITTEN.

BUT LIKE ALL THINGS, IT'S JUST NOT THAT SIMPLE.

AND SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I POINTED THAT OUT.

RIGHT. SO, SO THE, THE CRUX OF THIS, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, MAYOR IS TWOFOLD.

ONE, WE'VE YET TO TAKE CARE OF ANYTHING ON THE SIDEWALKS WITH REGULAR BIKES OR E-BIKES.

AND WE'VE HAD TWO DISCUSSIONS ON IT. AND WE KEEP GETTING BOGGED DOWN IN THE MICRO MOBILITY AND THE TOUR DISCUSSION.

AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE I SAID I WANTED IT TO COME FORWARD TODAY BECAUSE IF WE HAVE TO SPLIT THIS TO GET SOMETHING DONE, THE SOONER WE CAN GET THE BIKES OFF THE STREETS, THE BETTER AND HAVE A BIGGER, EXCUSE ME, OFF THE SIDEWALKS ESPECIALLY THE BETTER, BUT THEN HAVE A BROADER DISCUSSION WITH INCLUDING LEGAL AS TO WHAT WE CAN DO.

SO THAT'S THE REASON I WANTED IT BEFORE YOU, BECAUSE I WOULD IN SOME REGARDS, I DO THINK SPLITTING SPLITTING THE ISSUE TO GET SOMETHING ON, ON OUR BOOKS REGARDING BIKES AND E-BIKES IS IMPORTANT.

SO I'LL STOP THERE. OKAY. SO THANK YOU FOR BREAKING IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT'S STILL, WE STILL HAVE TO ADDRESS THE LARGER POSITION CASE BY CASE FOR E-BIKES BECAUSE HOW DO WE DO CASE BY CASE FOR E-BIKES WHEN WE HAVE I HAVE OBSERVED WORKERS WHO ARE COMING BY E-BIKE THROUGH THE BAKER PARK CROSSING.

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I DON'T SEE PERSONALLY HOW WE CAN SAY WORKERS THAT ARE ESSENTIAL TO OUR COMMUNITY CAN'T RIDE E-BIKES.

TO WORK. IT'S A LONG HAUL. SO HOW DO WE ADDRESS THAT? WELL, CERTAINLY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO GET DIRECTION ON. SO FOR CASE BY CASE BASIS, ONE WAY OF APPROACHING THAT IS THAT WE COULD SIGN CERTAIN SIDEWALKS TO BE ALLOWED FOR DIFFERENT CLASSES OF E-BIKE OR A CERTAIN CLASS OF E-BIKE. THAT'S ONE OPTION.

WE WOULD COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR DISCUSSION BEFORE WE WOULD PLACE THAT SIGNAGE.

SPARTAN. I DON'T THINK WE'RE, WE'RE EXCLUDING THEM IN ANY OF THIS FROM, FROM BRINGING, RIDING THEIR BIKES TO, TO, TO WORK IN THE CITY OF NAPLES. WHAT WE'RE EXCLUDING THEM FROM DOING IS RIDING THEIR BIKES ON SIDEWALKS TO WORK IN THE CITY OF NAPLES.

WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER WE SHOULD DESIGNATE SIDEWALKS TO PEDESTRIANS AND DESIGNATE WHEN, FRANKLY, E-BIKES SLASH BICYCLES TO BE EXCLUDED FROM, AGAIN, FROM SIDEWALKS.

SO WE'RE NOT TELLING THEM THEY CAN'T RIDE THEIR BIKES OR E-BIKES INTO WORK.

WE'RE SIMPLY TELLING THEM THAT THEY CAN'T BE ON THE SIDEWALK WHERE WE'VE GOT PEDESTRIANS. NO, THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. I'M CLEAR ABOUT THAT.

BUT OVER THE BRIDGE FROM EAST NAPLES, OVER THE BRIDGE, DO THEY WHAT WOULD BE THE ALTERNATIVE? THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, GUYS. THERE IS A, THERE IS A SMALL AND IT IS NARROW, BUT THERE IS YOU'VE GOT THE SIDEWALK AND THEN I THINK YOU'VE GOT A THERE'S ANOTHER SOLID WHITE LINE. I'M GOING TO CALL IT A BIKE ROUTE.

I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S CONSIDERED A BIKE ROUTE OR NOT BECAUSE IT IS NARROW, BUT I THINK THAT THERE IS A SLIVER OF ROADWAY THERE THAT IS PARALLEL TO THE SIDEWALK, IN BETWEEN THE ROADWAY AND THE SIDEWALK.

NOW, EVEN WITH THAT, LET'S ASSUME THAT THAT WASN'T THERE.

PART OF THIS ORDINANCE IS IF WE DON'T HAVE A DESIGNATED BICYCLE LANE, THEN THEY CAN USE THE SIDEWALK.

SO LET'S, LET'S ASSUME FOR A SECOND THAT THERE ISN'T ONE GOING ACROSS THAT BRIDGE. I'M NOT SURE IF THERE IS OR NOT. YOU GUYS CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION IN A SECOND, BUT LET'S JUST ASSUME FOR A SECOND FOR FOR SAKE OF ARGUMENT, THAT THERE IS NOT ANYTHING ON THAT ROAD THAT IS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNATED FOR BICYCLES OR E-BIKES IN THAT SCENARIO, BASED ON WHAT I JUST READ AND WHAT WAS JUST PRESENTED.

THEN IN THAT SCENARIO, THEY CAN GET ON THE SIDEWALK BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING DESIGNATED FOR THEM ON THE ROADWAY.

SO AGAIN, I THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT EVEN COMING ACROSS THE BRIDGE, WHICH, AND MAYBE WE NEED TO HAVE SIGNS UP THAT, THAT GIVE SOME VERY CLEAR DIRECTION SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW HOW THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO OPERATE COMING ACROSS THE BRIDGE.

BUT NONETHELESS, I THINK THAT. THAT THIS ORDINANCE DOES ADDRESS THAT AS WELL. YES.

COUNCILMAN BURTON, YOU ARE CORRECT. WE DO HAVE A BIKE LANE THERE, AND IT'S A BIKE LANE ON BOTH SIDES, AND IT COMES FROM THE CITY LIMITS ALL THE WAY IT ENDS AT GOODLETT ROAD.

ALSO LET YOU KNOW AS FAR AS WRITING ON THE SIDEWALK THROUGH THERE, THAT'S FDOT.

SO WE HAVE NO SAY AS FAR AS THAT SIDEWALK ON US 41.

SO IF THE, IF THE STATE ALLOWS THEM TO RIDE A BIKE ON THAT SIDEWALK OR ON GOODLETTE ROAD, WHICH IS THE COUNTY'S, WE HAVE NO SAY THERE. ALL WE HAVE IS SAY IS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS OF OUR SIDEWALK.

I GUESS WE COULD JUST SIMPLY, REALLY CLEARLY DELINEATE BETWEEN THE TWO AND SAY CYCLE LANE SIDEWALK.

MAYBE WE THEY MAKE THEY MAKE A GOOD CHOICE, BUT NONETHELESS, WE CAN'T TELL THEM THAT THEY CAN'T GET ON THE SIDEWALK. IS WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME.

CORRECT? CAN YOU JUST STATE THE LAW? EXCUSE ME? CAN YOU JUST STATE THE LAW FOR. I DON'T HAVE THE.

NO, BUT I MEAN THE. YOU SAID FDOT ALLOWS AS OF RIGHT NOW.

I HEARD A NEW ORDINANCE THAT JUST PASSED THAT REQUIRES THEM TO SLOW DOWN TO TEN MILES AN HOUR AS THEY'RE APPROACHING A PEDESTRIAN, BUT IT DOESN'T STATE HOW FAST THEY SHOULD BE GOING OR NOT GOING.

BUT THAT'S THE NEWEST THING I JUST WANTED SO THAT WE ALL KNOW WHAT, WHAT THE CURRENT LAWS ARE.

THANK YOU. I'M SORRY, MR. YOUNG TO, TO BYRNE'S POINT TO DELINEATE BETWEEN THE STATE AND COUNTY ROAD AND YOUR ROADS, YOU'RE STILL TAKING CARE OF 90% OF YOUR ROADS.

THAT COULD BE A KEY COMPONENT WITHOUT GETTING INTO WHAT THE NEW LAW WAS OR IS.

BUT THE ONLY OTHER ONE THAT I WOULD GIVE SOME PUSHBACK IS THE BRIDGE COMING ACROSS.

BECAUSE AS WRITTEN NOW, THIS SAYS THAT E-BIKES WOULD BE PROHIBITED FROM ANY PATHWAY WITHIN YOUR PARK SYSTEM,

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AND I LIKE THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN AND THAT THE BIKES ARE PROHIBITED THERE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT IN CASE ANYONE HADN'T CAUGHT THAT IN IT, BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN.

PRESIDENT. YES. AND THAT'S IN THE ORDINANCE. I'M JUST I READ IT.

THE AREA FOR PARKS. YEAH. SORRY. THERE'S AN EXEMPTION FOR BICYCLISTS. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO KNOW WHERE IT IS IN THE RESOLUTION.

THE ORDINANCE. GOT IT. YES. OKAY. I HAVE JUST ON THAT POINT ABOUT BAKER PARK, THERE IS A DESIGNATED BIKE PATH ALONG THE NORTHERN BORDER OF BAKER PARK. FROM THE BRIDGE DOWN TO.

IT CONNECTS TO RIVERSIDE CIRCLE. IT'S SIGNED THAT.

IT'S A BIKE PATH ONLY, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT WE ENFORCE IT.

I THINK PEOPLE RIDE BIKES ON THE PEDESTRIAN SIDEWALKS, BUT MAYBE THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED THROUGH SIGNAGE OR ENFORCEMENT.

SO THERE IS A WAY FOR BICYCLISTS, INCLUDING E-BIKES, TO GO ON THAT DESIGNATED BIKE PATH THROUGH FROM THE GREENWAY THROUGH BAKER PARK TO RIVERSIDE CIRCLE. YEAH, I WAS TALKING TO DAN EARLIER AND I SAID, OKAY, IF WE RESTRICT THE BIKES, THE E-BIKES FROM COMING THROUGH BAKER'S PARK, WHAT IF THEY'RE PEDALING AND NOT USING THEIR POWER? I MEAN, THEN IT'S CONSIDERED A BICYCLE, RIGHT? HOW DO YOU ENFORCE THAT? SO THAT WAS. YES, I HAVE.

KRAMER WHEN I LOOK AT ALL THIS AND PROBABLY EDUCATION AND COACHING BACKGROUND, LIKE THE MORE RULES YOU HAVE, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ENFORCE THEM? AND SO I KNOW WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING, I SUPPOSE, BUT I'M WONDERING IT'S GREAT TO SAVE WHATEVER.

BUT I'M NOT SURE HOW WE CAN. NOW I THINK WE CAN.

I'M ASSUMING WE CAN. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY POLICE OFFICERS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HIRE OR WHATEVER.

WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S A LEGITIMATE POINT. THE PROBLEM IS, IS IT'S A CONTINUOUS.

WHY DON'T WE HAVE A BIKE PEDESTRIAN PLAN. AND THE TRUTH OF IT IS, IS YOU COULD HAVE SIGN PROLIFERATION.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. SIGNS EVERYWHERE.

AND TO BE ABLE TO ENFORCE IT. AND SO AND NOT ENOUGH OFFICERS.

SO IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE. BUT THEN WHAT DO YOU DO.

NOTHING. AND SO I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING.

AND I THINK WHAT WE'VE WHAT WE'VE ENUMERATED ALREADY MAKES SENSE.

AND KNOWING THAT WE DON'T CONTROL FDOT ROADS IS A BIG DEAL, I THINK, AND THAT'S AN EDUCATION PART FOR THE COMMUNITY.

BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE ON THE SIDEWALK ON FROM 41 FROM.

I MEAN, THE WHOLE WAY OF 41 WHERE THERE'S NO BIKE LANE, YOU CAN EXPECT BIKES ON THE SIDEWALK. IF YOU'RE USING THAT.

HAVING SAID THAT, I THINK THIS IS A REALLY GOOD START.

AND IT DOESN'T OPPOSE OR INFRINGE ON EITHER THE COUNTY ORDINANCE OR WHAT WE'VE SEEN COMING OUT OF OUR LEGISLATURE, WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN A BIG DEAL. THAT COULD HAVE BEEN A PROBLEM. WE COULD HAVE WASTED TIME, DEPENDING ON WHAT THEY ARE COMING UP WITH. I KNOW IT HASN'T PASSED YET, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE COMPATIBLE WITH BOTH. WOULD THAT BE THE CASE? I GUESS THAT'S MY QUESTION. ARE WE COMPATIBLE WITH BOTH THE COUNTY AND THE STATE ON THIS? YES WE ARE.

FOR OUR OWN TRAFFIC CONTROL JURISDICTION. YES, WE'RE.

THIS IS ALLOWABLE. PERFECT. THANK YOU. AND, BARTON, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING ABOUT AN AGE RESTRICTION HERE.

I SEE KIDS THAT ARE. IT COULD BE MORE THAN 12 RIPPING AROUND ON BIKES ALL OVER TOWN, DOING 50 MILES AN HOUR AND NO HELMET.

AND THEY'RE THREE YEARS FROM GETTING A DRIVER'S LICENSE, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE PASSING CARS ON, ON GULF SHORE BOULEVARD. SO WE, I, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT WE PUT SOME TYPE OF AGE RESTRICTION ON THESE E-BIKES AS WELL.

OH, WERE YOU ON EIGHTH AND FOURTH THIS WEEK? YOU SAW SOMETHING SIMILAR.

CAN YOU WE HAVE SO THE COUNTY PUT IN AN AGE RESTRICTION FOR YOU HAVE TO BE 16 YEARS OR OLDER TO, TO RIDE A CLASS THREE ELECTRIC BICYCLE. AND SO WE'VE A DRIVER'S LICENSE.

NO, AT THIS POINT, THEY DON'T REQUIRE A DRIVER'S LICENSE.

INTERESTING. SO WE CAN, WE CAN ADD TO THAT IF THAT'S THE DESIRE OF COUNCIL.

DO YOU WANT MY OPINION? I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE TO. THESE E-BIKES ARE NOTHING MORE THAN THAN THAN MOTORCYCLES AND MOPEDS IN DISGUISE.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE TO RIDE A MOPED AND A MOTORCYCLE AROUND TOWN.

THEY SHOULD. WE SHOULD APPLY THE SAME TYPES OF RESTRICTIONS TO THESE E-BIKES.

THESE E-BIKES ARE A WHOLE NEW ANIMAL THAT HAVE BEEN CREATED OVER HERE OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS BECAUSE OF TECHNOLOGY.

IT'S FINE. IT'S BOUND TO HAPPEN, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE ADAPT ACCORDINGLY AND ADAPTING ACCORDINGLY IS TO TREAT THESE THINGS LIKE REGISTERED VEHICLES,

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WE'LL HAVE TO INVESTIGATE THAT. NOW WITH THAT IN CLUDE ALSO ADULTS WRITING THEM THINGS.

YES, SOME OF THEM ARE WRITING. CHILDREN ARE NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT MAKE POOR CHOICES OUT THERE.

SO YES, THIS SHOULD ALSO APPLY TO ADULTS AS WELL BECAUSE ADULTS ARE PERFECTLY CAPABLE OF MAKING POOR CHOICES AS WELL.

AND WOULD IT BE EVERY CLASS? WOULD IT BE SCOOTERS? WOULD IT BE HOVERBOARDS? I MEAN, WHERE WHERE'S THAT LINE DRAWN? MY OPINION IS IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE DRAWN. IT PROBABLY WOULD BE DRAWN BASED ON A CLASSIFICATION.

IN THAT CLASSIFICATION TYPICALLY COMES ALONG WITH WHAT THE CAPABILITIES OF THE VEHICLE.

AND WITHOUT KNOWING IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. BUT IF YOU'RE IT MIGHT, YOU KNOW, KNEE JERK WOULD BE IF YOU GOT A VEHICLE THAT GOES OVER 20 MILES AN HOUR, THEN YOU NEED TO HAVE. SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT'D BE CLASS THREE. OKAY. SO YEAH, BUT YES, I, I BELIEVE THAT'S PROBABLY FAIR. I MEAN, A KID ON A SCOOTER OR AN ELECTRIC SCOOTER PROBABLY SHOULDN'T NEED TO BE 16 AND YOU SHOULDN'T NEED TO HAVE A DRIVER'S LICENSE. SO YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD APPLY THESE, THIS SHOULD BE APPLIED TO THOSE E-BIKES THAT, AGAIN, THAT, THAT HAVE THE SAME CAPABILITIES OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S NOT BE SILLY AND PRETEND AND TRY TO CONVOLUTE THE SITUATION. NOT THAT I'M SUGGESTING YOU ARE TRYING TO CONVOLUTE THE SITUATION AND DRAG IN ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT VEHICLES. THE REALITY IS WE ALL KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT E-BIKES THAT BEHAVE LIKE MOTORCYCLES AND MOPEDS.

SO THOSE, THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT NEED TO BE REGULATED ACCORDINGLY.

AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT CAPS AND RESTRICTIONS ON WHO'S OPERATING THEM AROUND TOWN.

I WANT TO GO BACK TO COUNCILMAN KRAMER'S QUESTION ABOUT YOU KNOW, EDUCATION.

I THINK LIEUTENANT O'REILLY COULD CONFIRM THIS, THAT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS IN THE PAST WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH OUR WORKERS WHO DO RIDE BIKES, EBIKES, WHATEVER, AS FAR AS EDUCATION ON SAFETY.

IF THAT PROGRAM STILL CONTINUES, LIEUTENANT. GOOD MORNING, LIEUTENANT MIKE O'REILLY, NAPLES POLICE DEPARTMENT.

MAYOR, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE NAPLES PATHWAYS COALITION, WE HAVE WORKED SEVERAL YEARS NOW TO HAVE SOME FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, BIKE RODEO EVENTS WHERE WE MEET WITH A LOT OF THE SERVICE WORKERS AND MANAGERS ON FIFTH AVENUE AND IN THE AREA TO EDUCATE THEM ON THE RULES OF THE ROAD, MAKE SURE THEY HAVE HELMETS AVAILABLE, MAKE SURE THEY HAVE BIKE LIGHTS, MAKE SURE THEY HAVE LOCKS TO SECURE THEIR VEHICLES AND TO ALSO THE BIKE LIGHTS, BECAUSE PART OF OUR ENFORCEMENT EFFORTS AREN'T JUST CHASING DOWN THE KIDS THAT ARE GOING 40 MILES AN HOUR.

AND THE E-BIKES, IT'S ALSO THE FOLKS THAT ARE DRIVING WITHOUT LIGHTS AT NIGHT. AND OUR INTENTION ISN'T TO STOP PEOPLE.

OUR INTENTION IS TO GAIN COMPLIANCE. SO THE EASIEST WAY TO DO THAT IS TO GIVE THEM THE EQUIPMENT AND SHOW THEM HOW IT WORKS.

IT'S BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL IN THE PAST. OKAY. THANK YOU.

I JUST I THINK THAT'S BEEN A GREAT BENEFIT TO US.

THANK YOU. DID YOU COULD I TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT OR DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND ASK YOUR QUESTION, VICE MAYOR? YEAH, IT'S A QUICK, QUICK ONE. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I HOPE THE EDUCATION GOES TO THE SCHOOLS TO, TO HELP EDUCATE KIDS AND AROUND TOWN, NOT JUST FIT.

THANK YOU. YEAH. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS FIRST SUBBULLET ON THE SLIDE EXEMPTION FOR BICYCLISTS WHERE NO DESIGNATED BICYCLE ROUTE ON ROADWAY.

WHAT IS BICYCLE ROUTE MEAN? IS THAT A DESIGNATED BICYCLE LANE OR LIKE GULF SHORE BOULEVARD SOUTH OF SOUTH GULF DRIVE? IT'S A SHARED ROAD. IS THAT CONSIDERED A DESIGNATED BICYCLE ROUTE? THAT WOULD BE A LANE OR A SHARROW WOULD BE A DESIGNATED ROUTE.

OKAY. AND WHAT ABOUT ON CREIGHTON ROAD WHERE IN MY OPINION, IT'S NOT A BIKE LANE, BUT PEOPLE TREAT IT LIKE ONE THAT LITTLE, YOU KNOW, 12 TO 18 INCH PATH. PRETTY. IS THAT CONSIDERED A BICYCLE? I THINK I'VE PRETTY MUCH GOT RID OF THAT. WITHIN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS OF PAVING ALL THAT WE DID NOT PUT THAT WHITE STRIPE BACK AGAIN.

OKAY. MY, MY QUESTION INVOLVES CHILDREN. THERE ARE KIDS WHO RIDE THEIR BIKES TO SCHOOL STILL, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. SO I KNOW SOME FROM THE MOORINGS WHO RIDE MIDDLE SCHOOLERS WHO RIDE THEIR BIKES DOWN TO GULFVIEW MIDDLE.

AND SO THEY'RE GOING DOWN CREIGHTON ROAD, THEIR SIDE STREET TO CREIGHTON ROAD, TO GULF SHORE BOULEVARD SOUTH UNTIL THEY GET TO WHERE THEY CAN CUT BACK INTO GULFVIEW MIDDLE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO MAKE AN EXEMPTION FOR KIDS 12 AND UNDER THAT THEY CAN RIDE ON THE BICYCLE, RIDE THEIR BICYCLE ON THE SIDEWALK WHEN THERE'S NOT A SEPARATE BIKE LANE.

SO THERE ARE LIKE GULF SHORE BOULEVARD AROUND THE CONDOS, YOU KNOW, NORTH OF DOCTOR'S PASS, YOU KNOW, HAS A NICE BIKE LANE AND THAT ACTUALLY IS DOWN TO THE BEACH HOTEL.

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THERE'S NOT. SO DO WE WANT TO. I THINK WE SHOULD ALLOW CHILDREN UNDER 12 TO GET ON THE ON THE SIDEWALK TO GET THE VICE MAYOR.

IF YOU LOOK AT THIS PICTURE, WE'RE LOOKING AT TWO. I THINK IT GIVES YOU AN EXAMPLE OF EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YOU KNOW, THERE IS A DESIGNATED BIKE LANE ON THIS PICTURE ON OUR SCREEN, BUT THERE'S ALSO A SIDEWALK SITTING THERE AND YOU'RE SUGGESTING, HEY, LET'S NOT FORCE THE KIDS THAT ARE UNDER 12 TO, TO RIDE IN THE STREET WHEN THEY COULD BE OVER THERE ON THAT SIDEWALK.

AND I THINK IT'S A VERY VALID POINT, RIGHT? WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN MY MAIN CONCERN OF OUR MASTER PEDESTRIAN BICYCLE PLAN. AND THAT IS, ARE THERE ROUTES FROM NEIGHBORHOODS TO SCHOOLS? WHICH WE'VE TRIED DOING CONNECTIVITY ON THOSE ROUTES.

I MEAN, WHERE ARE WE TO DATE ON MAKING SURE THERE ARE ROUTES FOR SCHOOLS TO NEIGHBORHOODS THAT I MEAN, I KNOW YOU CAN'T ANSWER THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT IT IS, IT'S A BIG, BIG CONCERN.

AND NOT JUST FOR I BELIEVE MISS BICKERT STILL WORKING ON THAT, BUT A LOT OF OUR SCHOOLS, I WOULD SAY WE HAVE EITHER A BIKE ROUTE OR SHARE THE ROAD LEADING TO THEM. AND WE'VE BEEN ADDING A LOT OF SHARROWS AS WELL THAT CONCERN ME THAT THEY'RE RIGHT.

YOU KNOW, A SMALL CHILD IN THE MIX WITH CAR TRAFFIC ISN'T THE SAME AS AN ADULT.

CORRECT. BUT IT DOESN'T STOP THEM FROM RIDING ON THE SIDEWALK.

I MEAN, IF THEY WANT TO RIDE ON THE SIDEWALK AND THERE IS A SIDEWALK THERE, THEY'RE FREE TO IT.

BICYCLISTS ARE CONSIDERED MOTOR VEHICLES. I MEAN IF THEY RIDE THROUGH A CROSSWALK ON A BICYCLE, IT'S MORE OF A MOTOR VEHICLE. ATTEMPT THERE. BUT IF YOU WALK IT, THEN YOU'RE CONSIDERED MORE PEDESTRIAN.

THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO DO AS FAR AS WALKING ACROSS CROSSWALKS.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY AND CONFIRM, RIGHT, WE CAN, WE CAN WORK ON THE EXEMPTION LANGUAGE FOR, FOR. A FOR CHILDREN UNDER 12. ALL RIGHT. AND ALONG THAT SAME LINE OF THOUGHT, I MEAN, I DON'T.

AND THIS IS I'M JUST SPITBALLING. SORRY. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

I'M JUST SPITBALLING HERE AND. IT COULD ALSO BE A SCENARIO WHERE WE SAY, HEY, WE JUST WE DON'T WANT THESE MOTORIZED VEHICLES ON THE SIDEWALK.

YOU KNOW, WE COULD SAY BICYCLISTS CAN BE ON THE SIDEWALK AND ANYTHING THAT'S GOT A GOT AN ELECTRIC MOTOR TO IT.

AND AGAIN, WE GOT TO BE CAREFUL HERE BECAUSE.

DOES THAT INCLUDE SCOOTERS? YOU KNOW, AGAIN. SO WE'VE GOT SOME NUANCES HERE THAT WE THAT WE NEED TO TACKLE. BUT FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

I MEAN, WE CAN ALWAYS SAY, HEY, WHAT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO DO IS TAKE THE, THE E-BIKES THAT ARE DOING 30 MILES AN HOUR OR HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO SO OFF THAT SIDEWALK AND PUT THEM ON THE STREET WHERE THEY BELONG AND ALLOW THE TRADITIONAL BICYCLIST TO, TO, TO RIDE ON THE SIDEWALK.

AND WE ALL KNOW THAT, THAT THOSE THAT, THAT ARE CYCLING FOR YOU KNOW, EXERCISE OR, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LONG TERM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LONG DISTANCE CYCLISTS. WE KNOW THAT THEY'RE GOING TO USE THOSE STREETS ANYWAYS, THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE RIGHT THERE WITH THE, WITH THE E-BIKES. SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ON THE SIDEWALKS ANYWAY.

IT'S GOING TO BE THOSE THAT ARE, FOR LACK OF BETTER PHRASING, RECREATIONALLY, CYCLING OUT THERE WITH THEIR CHILDREN OR THEIR KIDS ARE OUT THERE CYCLING BY THEMSELVES TO GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO STAY ON THE SIDEWALKS IS PROBABLY A VALID POINT AND, AND HAS MERIT AS FAR AS DISCUSSION IS CONCERNED.

BUT MY, MY BIGGEST CONCERN HERE IS I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF HERE, OBVIOUSLY, IS THAT THESE, THESE E-BIKES ARE, ARE. ARE BECOMING VERY PROLIFIC. AND WE NEED TO, TO, TO CLAMP DOWN ON THAT REGULATION.

AND THAT REALLY IS KIND OF THE FOCUS HERE. IT'S NOT REALLY BICYCLISTS.

IT'S MORE THE E-BIKE SITUATION. THANK YOU. PENMAN.

I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUE DOWN ON THE LEFT HERE.

AND ONE OF MY REAL CONCERNS IS, QUITE FRANKLY, KIDS IN THE PARK FLYING THROUGH THERE.

SO IF THERE WOULD BE A RULING THAT THERE SHOULD BE NO BIKES ON SIDEWALKS, I THINK THAT WOULD PRECLUDE THAT FROM HAPPENING.

I DON'T WANT THE LIABILITY, QUITE FRANKLY, OF KIDS FLYING THROUGH OUR PARK SYSTEMS AND GETTING HURT.

ANY CHANCE OF THAT? I DON'T REALLY WANT THE LIABILITY TO BE PLACED ON THE CITY RELATIVE TO THAT.

SO I THINK THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD GENERAL RULE.

NO, NONE ON SIDEWALKS. OKAY. I'M GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

MATT SMITH. WILL HAVE TO CHANGE MY SPEECH. WE MADE IT WITHIN TWO MINUTES.

GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MATT SMITH, NAPLES PATHWAYS COALITION.

WE APPRECIATE THE CITY'S CONCERN ABOUT THE RAPID GROWTH OF E-BIKES AND OTHER MICRO MOBILITY DEVICES.

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WE UNDERSTAND THE CONCERNS REGARDING SIDEWALK CONFLICTS AND SPEED.

FIVE FOOT SIDEWALKS WERE NOT DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE PEDESTRIANS, TRADITIONAL BICYCLES, HIGHER SPEED E-BIKES ALL IN ONE SPACE. AT THE SAME TIME, WE URGE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER A REAL POSSIBILITY THAT REGULATION ALONE MAY NOT SOLVE THIS PROBLEM. MANY E-BIKES HAVE BEEN MODIFIED BEYOND THE MANUFACTURER'S SETTINGS AND CAN NOW TRAVEL MUCH FASTER THAN THEIR RATED SPEEDS, MAKING CLASS AND SPEED BASED REGULATIONS EXTREMELY DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE.

WE ALSO SEE MANY PEOPLE USING CLASS TWO E-BIKES, WHICH OPERATE WITH A THROTTLE AND DON'T REQUIRE PEDALING.

MANY OF THESE RIDERS MAY HAVE NEVER HAD A DRIVER'S LICENSE, AND ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH THE RULES OF THE ROAD.

REQUIRING THOSE RIDERS TO MOVE INTO TRAFFIC WITHOUT PROPER EDUCATION COULD CREATE EVEN GREATER SAFETY RISKS.

NAPLES CURRENTLY FACES SERIOUS CHALLENGES WITH DISTRACTED DRIVING.

RED LIGHT RUNNING. AGGRESSIVE DRIVING AND TRAFFIC CONGESTION.

FOR INEXPERIENCED RIDERS, ENTERING THAT ENVIRONMENT WITHOUT GUIDANCE COULD BE DANGEROUS OR FATAL.

OF EQUAL CONCERN OUR YOUNG RIDERS WHO MAY LACK SPATIAL PERCEPTION AND NOT UNDERSTAND THE DISTANCE REQUIRED TO STOP THESE FASTER, HEAVIER DEVICES AND WHO HAVEN'T YET LEARNED THE RULES OF THE ROAD.

NAPLES PATHWAYS COALITION BELIEVES THE TWO MOST EFFECTIVE APPROACHES ARE EDUCATION AND ENFORCEMENT PAIRED WITH INFRASTRUCTURE TRAINING. TRAIN CHANGES AND COMMUNITY OUTREACH.

THANK YOU. LIEUTENANT RILEY. WORKING WITH THE NAPLES POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE PROVIDE BICYCLE SAFETY EDUCATION, HELMETS, BIKE LIGHTS AT NO COST FOR COMMUTERS AND WE WORK WITH KIDS.

WE ASSIST BUSINESSES, SCHOOLS, HOA'S AND INVITE ALL COMMUNITY GROUPS WITH AN INTEREST IN PUBLIC SAFETY TO REACH OUT TO NPC. WE ENCOURAGE THE CITY TO VIEW EDUCATION AND ENFORCEMENT AS KEY TOOLS IN ADDRESSING MICROMOBILITY SAFETY.

UNTIL OUR INFRASTRUCTURE CAN FULLY ACCOMMODATE PEOPLE MOVING ON TWO FEET OR TWO WHEELS JUST AS WELL AS IT DOES THOSE DRIVING ON FOUR WHEELS, EDUCATION WILL REMAIN OUR MOST PRACTICAL AND EFFECTIVE SOLUTION.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND COMMITMENT TO KEEPING NAPLES SAFE.

WELL DONE. THANK YOU. WITH THAT COUNCIL. FURTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ORDINANCE? PARDON? I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE BEEN FOCUSING HERE ON E-BIKES.

WE DIDN'T AND I APPRECIATE. MATTHEW, YOUR APPROACH HERE TO SEPARATE THE TOUR COMPANY DISCUSSION AND THE E-BIKE DISCUSSION BECAUSE AND HAVING THOSE COMBINED DISCUSSIONS, I THINK IT'S CAUSED US PARALYSIS THROUGH ANALYSIS.

AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN, WE CAN BY SEPARATING THEM, WE CAN, WE CAN JUMP ON ONE OF THEM, I.E.

THE E-BIKES AND THEN TURN AROUND AND FOCUS ON THE OTHER.

OR WE CAN FOCUS ON BOTH, BUT SEPARATELY SO THAT WE MAYBE WE CAN HAVE SOME MOVEMENT HERE, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR, FOR FAR TOO LONG, AND WE NEED TO HAVE SOME, SOME ORDINANCES PUT IN FRONT OF US.

IN REFERENCE TO THE TOUR COMPANIES, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SUGGEST WHAT AS IT PERTAINS TO THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS GIVEN HERE A MINUTE AGO, I THOUGHT I HAD REMEMBERED AND PLEASE ANYONE THAT WAS A PART OF OUR MEETING LAST YEAR.

CORRECT ME. WE, WE HAD DISCUSSED THE FACT I THOUGHT THERE WERE WE HAD SIX TOUR COMPANIES OPERATING OR THAT HAD LICENSES.

MAYBE ONLY FIVE WERE OPERATING. I CAN'T REMEMBER WHICH IT WAS, BUT I THOUGHT THAT PERHAPS WE HAD DISCUSSED AS A PART OF OUR LANGUAGE THAT WE WOULD PUT A CAP ON THE NUMBER OF BEING ALLOWED TO OPERATE AND NO MORE BEING ACCEPTED.

AND IN DOING SO, WE COULD POTENTIALLY AVOID POTENTIAL LITIGATION FROM THOSE THAT ARE OPERATING AND, AND EARNING AN INCOME, A LIVING BY TURNAROUND SAYING THEY CAN NO LONGER DO THAT.

AND I KNOW THAT THAT WAS A CONCERN AT THE TIME. AND I THOUGHT THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED LANGUAGE IN THAT, AND I JUST DIDN'T WANT THAT, THAT POSSIBLE LANGUAGE TO BE COMPLETELY THROWN OUT IN OUR PROCESS HERE.

YEAH. LET ME CLARIFY THE CITY MANAGER MOVE FORWARD THIS PARTICULAR PIECE BECAUSE WE COULDN'T,

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SO I THINK HE WAS RIGHT IN BRINGING FORWARD THIS SO THAT WE COULD MOVE FORWARD.

I DO THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION THOUGH.

BUT AS FAR AS IT PERTAINS TO THIS ORDINANCE FOR BICYCLES THAT'S WHERE I WANT TO STICK THERE.

AND THEN WE CAN GO TO YOUR QUESTION. OKAY. THANK YOU.

SO HOW DO WE KICK THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD? I JUST WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE BEFORE US AND WE CAN VOTE ON THIS ORDINANCE MOVING FORWARD.

YES. CAN I GET CLARIFICATION? YES, SIR. THIS IS OUR THIRD ONE, AND I HEARD VARIOUS THINGS.

SO LET ME SEE IF I CAN BRING THIS TOGETHER. WHEN WE FIRST THE FIRST DISCUSSION IN SEPTEMBER WAS NO BIKES ON SIDEWALKS.

THEN WE BACKPEDALED, WE SAID, LOOK, THAT'S THAT CAN BE A PROBLEM.

LET'S RECOGNIZE THAT WE CAME WITH THIS ONLY WHERE THERE IS, IS DESIGNATED BIKE ROUTES.

SO BUT THEN I HEARD THAT, WELL, WE WANT THIS EXCEPTION AND THAT EXCEPTION.

SO ARE WE SAYING AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS BICYCLES CAN BE ON THE SIDEWALKS WITH IN CITY, CITY ROADS E-BIKES CAN'T BE ANYWHERE THAT ARE CITY ROADS ON THE SIDEWALKS, RIGHT? REGARDLESS, IS THAT AM I SUMMARIZING THAT CORRECTLY? AND WE AGREE THAT BICYCLES AND THE, THE, THE, THE BICYCLES THAT ARE ON THE ROADWAYS OR IN OUR PARKS, OTHER THAN HAVING SOME SIGNAGE THAT I THINK THAT BICYCLES MUST YIELD TO PEDESTRIANS OR SOMETHING, HOWEVER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IS ARE WE GOING BACKWARDS TO WHERE BICYCLES ARE PERMITTED? BECAUSE BY THE TIME YOU WRITE ENOUGH EXEMPTIONS, YOU'RE REALLY NOT, YOU HAVE MORE EXEMPTIONS THAN YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO ADMINISTER.

SO I'M TRYING TO MAKE SURE WHAT THIS CONSENSUS WAS BEFORE I MOVE FORWARD WITH THE ORDINANCE.

SO WHEN YOU SAY BICYCLES, YOU MEAN ONLY PEDAL LIKE HUMAN POWERED. CORRECT.

YES. PARDON. YEAH, I, I CONCUR, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE WE KIND OF THAT WAS OUR LAST DISCUSSION HERE AS OF AS OF A FEW MINUTES AGO, AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT. JUST LETTING YOU KNOW FROM MY PERSONAL POINT OF VIEW.

THE ONLY THING I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADD IN THERE THAT YOU DID NOT MENTION IS THE AGE RESTRICTION, US LICENSING RESTRICTION ON THE E-BIKES. THAT NEEDS, IN MY OPINION, THAT NEEDS TO BE A PART OF OUR, OF OUR LANGUAGE AS WELL. BUT I'M, I'M TOTALLY OKAY WITH BICYCLES, PEDAL BICYCLES, NOT NOTHING WITH A MOTOR BEING ALLOWED ON OUR SIDEWALKS.

AND E-BIKES, THOSE WITH MOTORS NEED TO BE TAKEN OFF THE SIDEWALKS.

AND AGAIN, I JUST WANTED. YES, I AGREE WITH YOUR ASSESSMENT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T FORGET ABOUT THE AGE RESTRICTION AND LICENSING. AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

IS NOT ADDRESSED UNDER E. I BELIEVE THAT STIPULATES THE 16 YEAR OLD PART, BUT IT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT LICENSING.

THANK YOU. YEAH. MAYOR, JUST TO BE CLEAR, YOU CAN'T REQUIRE A DRIVER'S LICENSE, BUT YOU CAN REQUIRE A FLORIDA AN IDENTIFICATION CARD.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR YOU CAN'T REQUIRE A DRIVER'S LICENSE PURSUANT TO STATUTE. THAT STATUTE IS DIFFERENT THAN A MOTOR VEHICLE.

I MEAN, WE REQUIRE DRIVER'S LICENSE TO DRIVE A CAR, CORRECT? IT IS DIFFERENT THAN A MOTOR. SO AND WE'VE GOT DIFFERENT STATUTES FOR MOTORCYCLES.

CORRECT. AND MOPEDS THAT I'D HAVE TO CHECK IN BECAUSE THE THE DEFINITION FOR MICRO MOBILITY DEVICE IS PRETTY BROAD.

OKAY. BICYCLES ALSO INCLUDES ELECTRIC BICYCLES, BUT THE STATUTE IS PRETTY CLEAR WHEN IT COMES TO MICRO MOBILITY DEVICES THAT YOU CANNOT YOU CAN IMPOSE AN AGE RESTRICTION. SO THEY REQUIRE A DRIVER'S LICENSE.

OKAY. SO YOU REQUIRE AN IDENTIFICATION. IF WE HAVE AN AGE RESTRICTION, THEN THEY NEED TO KNOW THAT THEY NEED TO BE CARRYING AN ID THAT SHOWS THAT THEY ARE OF AGE TO BE DRIVING THAT PARTICULAR VEHICLE. PRECISELY.

OKAY. I'M OKAY WITH THAT AS WELL. CAN WE SEE IF WE HAVE A CONSENSUS ON THAT? YES. MEANING ALL OF THEM? YES. WAIT ON ALL OF THEM.

OR ALL OF US? NO. JUST. A MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBER.

OH, YES. THANK YOU. LET ME THROW A WRENCH INTO THIS.

WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CITY SIDEWALKS AND TO ENFORCE THIS, WE WOULD NEED THOUSANDS OF SIGNS TO BE PUT ALL OVER THESE.

SO PLEASE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. HOW MANY MILES OF SIDEWALK WE HAVE? HOW MANY SIGNS WE WOULD NEED TO PUT OUT THERE FOR PD TO ENFORCE ANYTHING?

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AND I THINK WE WOULD BE MINIMAL IN THAT REGARD.

BUT I CAN SAY A COUPLE OF PLACES JUST LIKE AGAIN, JUST WITH THE BIKES AND THE OTHER THE, JUST, JUST THE ENTRANCE TO BAKER PARK, THE COMING ACROSS THE BRIDGE.

SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO BE THERE. AND ALSO LETTING THE, THE PEOPLE ON THE BIKES KNOW YIELD TO PEDESTRIAN TYPE THING. I THINK WE WOULD USE IT VERY MINIMALLY.

AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S JUST IS JUST MY OPINION.

I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL TRUST ME, I KNOW HOW MUCH WE DON'T LIKE SIGNS IN THIS COMMUNITY, SO I THINK WE'D HAVE TO FIND THAT BALANCE. AND THERE WOULD BE MAIN ROADS WHERE WE KNEW IT BECAME A PROBLEM.

WE WOULD HAVE TO MAYBE DO IT A COUPLE PLACES, BUT I THINK WE WOULD USE IT LIMITED.

JUST FROM MY PERSPECTIVE. AS YOUR CITY MANAGER, IS THERE SOMETHING IN THE BUSINESS TAX RECEIPT OR SOMETHING THAT WE CAN INFORM BUSINESSES THAT THIS IS OUR LAW, OR, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT SEPARATE DISCUSSION HERE IN A MINUTE, BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY MORE LEVERAGE IS BEING PUT ON THE BTR THAN IT ACTUALLY HOLDS.

SO IF WE CAN GET TO A CONSENSUS ON THIS PART, WRAP THIS UP.

AND THEN WHEN WE GET TO THE MICRO MOBILITY ASPECT OF IT, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AS A BTR LICENSE AND WHAT GIVES THEM AUTHORITY SOMEWHERE. SO. GOT IT. QUICK QUESTION.

WE SOUND LIKE WE'RE A LITTLE BIT SIGNAGE AVERSE AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME, BUT WHAT ABOUT PAINTING ON THE SIDEWALK? THE SPEED LIMIT? I WOULDN'T WANT TO DO IT A LOT, BUT EVERY A REMINDER EVERY NOW AND THEN, PARTICULARLY THROUGH OUR PARKS, MIGHT COVER US LEGALLY TO ONE DEGREE.

WE'RE ELIMINATING THE E-BIKES AT ALL ON OUR PARKS AND ON OUR SIDEWALKS.

I THINK WE'LL BE COVERED FOR THE MOST PART. OKAY.

SORRY. MY MISUNDERSTANDING. TOTALLY. THANK YOU.

OKAY, SO WE'RE AT THE POINT OF GETTING A CONSENSUS ON.

WE ALREADY HAD THAT ONE. THERE WAS ONLY ONE QUESTION ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE.

AND THEN THE SIGNAGE WHICH WE ADDRESSED. IF THERE WERE AREN'T ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT'S BEFORE US, DO I HAVE A CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD? COUNCIL MEMBER CALL.

YES. YES. YES, MA'AM. KRAMER. YES. SCHULTZ. YES.

VICE MAYOR. YES. OKAY. YES. OH, I SEE, THANK YOU.

SO THEN WE'LL PICK UP THE SECOND PART OF IT, JUST FOR DISCUSSION PURPOSES, TO SEE WHERE EVERYONE'S AT.

SO WE GO BACK TO THE SLIDE THAT'S BEFORE YOU NOW WHERE WE TALK ABOUT PROHIBITING, BUT WE ALSO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE TOURS THAT EXIST, SOME THAT HAVE A BETA LICENSE, SOME THAT DON'T.

THERE ARE MICROMOBILITY BEING UTILIZED THAT, THAT ARE AS A, IT IS JUST A COURTESY THAT THEY OFFER PEOPLE WHO ARE STAYING AT THEIR FACILITY, SO IT BECOMES A SLIPPERY SLOPE. WHAT I WANT TO DO IS REMIND YOU THAT NOWHERE IN OUR CODE DO WE REGULATE PRESENTLY, EITHER DESIGNATING BY WHO CAN OPERATE, HOW MANY CAN OPERATE OR ANYTHING.

BUT WE KNOW THEY'RE HERE NOW. BETA LICENSE IS SOMETHING MORE JUST.

IT'S MUCH DIFFERENT THAN REGULATING WHAT'S ON YOUR STREET.

IT IS. IT IS A LICENSE THAT HAS VERY LIMITED REGULATORY AUTHORITY, AND IF THE TALLAHASSEE HAS ITS WAY, IT MAY BE A. DINOSAUR AND GONE BY THE END OF THIS SESSION, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS UNDER ATTACK AT THE MOMENT. SO IF WE ARE GOING TO EITHER TRY TO PROHIBIT OR REGULATE, IT'S GOING TO BE IN A SEPARATE SECTION OF THE CODE THAN A BETA. IT WOULD HAVE TO BE IN SECTION OF CODE WHERE WE REGULATE OUR RIGHT OF WAY USAGE WHERE WE HAVE TROLLEYS.

OTHER TYPE THINGS. SO YOU'RE BASICALLY REWRITING A SECTION.

SO TO. AND I CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO EVER SPEAK FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, BUT TO.

I THINK IT WAS MR. BLANKENSHIP'S POINT OR SOMEONE'S POINT ABOUT REGULATING.

I'M SORRY AND DOING. I THINK IT WAS BYRNE'S POINT.

MR. BARTON'S POINT IS, IS THAT YOU HAVE TO FIRST REGULATE AND THEN SAY HOW MANY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE.

BUT IF YOU HAVE NO REGULATIONS AND THEY'RE ALREADY ON YOUR STREETS, YOU'RE NOT HAVING THEM GO THROUGH ANY STEPS TO MAKE THEM REGULATE TO THEN SAY, YOU CAN STOP THEM. IT'S KIND OF LIKE HAVING A BUS ROUTE OR BUSSES COMING IN OR HAVING A TRUCK ROUTE AND THEM COMING IN.

IF YOU DON'T DESIGNATE SOME APPROVAL PROCESS AND SOME LICENSING, THEN YOU'RE RESTING ON YOUR EXISTING CODE AND THE EXISTING LAWS.

AND THEN I DEFER TO THE CITY ATTORNEY AS TO WHETHER YOU CAN PROHIBIT AN OUTRIGHT PROHIBITED OR NOT.

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RIGHT. AND MATTHEW, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I IF I SAID ANYTHING INCORRECT REGARDING THAT.

SO THAT'S IN, IN THERE LIES THE RUB IS YOU DON'T WE DON'T WANT THEM.

WE WANT TO PROHIBIT THEM. IF WE CAN'T PROHIBIT THEM, HOW DO WE REGULATE THEM? AND DOES REGULATING THEM ALLOW US TO RESTRICT THEM TO THE POINT WE CONTROL IT? IN SHORT SUMMARY. SO WITH THAT, MR. MCCONNELL DO YOU WANT TO PICK IT UP FROM HERE? SURE. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT ULTIMATELY COUNCIL'S DECISION PRIOR COUNCIL WAS. PRETTY DIRECT. YOU KNOW, YOU ALL DIDN'T WANT THESE TOUR COMPANIES OPERATING ON THE RIGHT OF WAY.

AND I DID RESEARCH AND I DON'T THINK THAT LEGALLY, THAT'S THE BEST MOVE FORWARD LIABILITY WISE, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE COMPANIES OPERATING AND YOU'RE NOT BANNING TOUR COMPANIES.

GENERALLY. YOU ALLOW COMPANIES THAT USE BUSSES, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO ALLOW COMPANIES THAT USE THINGS LIKE SEGWAYS AND MICRO-MOBILITY DEVICES. HOWEVER, REGULATING THEM IS FULLY WITHIN THE BOUNDS AND POWER OF YOU ALL.

WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR RIGHT OF WAY, SETTING A CAP ON THEM, REQUIRING SINGLE FILE LINES, REQUIRING CERTAIN GEOGRAPHICAL AREAS THAT THEY STAY WITHIN, REQUIRING PERMITS THAT WOULD BE PRESENTED TO YOU, THAT YOU ALL COULD DECIDE ON WHETHER OR NOT THEIR BUSINESS MODEL MEETS CERTAIN CRITERIA IN THE CODE THAT WE DRAFT. ALL OF THAT IS A OKAY IN MY LEGAL OPINION.

I'VE HEARD A LOT FROM PRIOR FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WERE ON COUNCIL WHEN WE DISCUSSED THIS.

I HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD FROM THE NEWER COUNCIL MEMBERS.

REALITY. THIS WILL PROBABLY BE A WORKSHOP THING.

IF COUNCIL SO WISHES. IF THEY DISAGREE, WE CAN GO STRAIGHT TO ME.

DRAFTING WHAT I THINK I'VE HEARD AND TRY TO PRESENT IT TO YOU FOR DISCUSSION.

BUT I DO, I DO THINK LOOKING AROUND THE STATE ON HOW THESE THINGS ARE REGULATED.

BRINGING SOME IDEAS TO YOU, LETTING YOU DECIDE WHAT'S BEST FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES AND HOW WE DO THIS, WHAT THAT CAP IS, WHERE THEY SHOULD BE LOCATED.

CRITERIA THAT YOU'LL REVIEW THROUGH SOME KIND OF PERMIT APPLICATION PROCESS.

WHILE NOT HOLDING THIS UP, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A GREAT IDEA BY MR. YOUNG IS PROBABLY THE BEST APPROACH. IF COUNCIL'S AGREEABLE TO THAT.

SO I CAN'T CONTINUE TO KEEP KICKING THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD. WE ARE WATCHING THEM. THESE TOUR COMPANIES BECOME LARGER BECOME MORE FREQUENT. THERE ARE SAFETY HAZARD IN STOPPING TRAFFIC ON THEIR OWN, WHICH I DIDN'T THINK THAT A COMPANY COULD STOP TRAFFIC.

OR HAD THE RIGHT TO STAND AND STOP TRAFFIC. THIS IS A WORKSHOP THAT WE, WE REALLY.

IF YOU COULDN'T MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PAST COUNCIL, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION NOW ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THESE TOURS TO OPERATE.

AND AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO HOW DID THEY GET PERMISSION TO OPERATE ON OUR STREETS AT THAT TIME? WELL, FIRST I'M GOING TO DELINEATE THE BTR IS NOT A LICENSED OPERATOR IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

THERE'S NOTHING MY UNDERSTANDING AND AGAIN, I'M LEGALLY IS THERE'S NO REGISTRATION REQUIREMENT ON IN OUR CODE THAT SAYS SOMEONE MUST REGISTER TO USE YOUR RIGHT OF WAY. THE BETA IS. DO YOU HAVE A BUILDING OR A BUSINESS WITHIN YOUR.

THE CITY OF NAPLES, OF WHICH YOU MUST REGISTER YOUR BUSINESS AND.

IT CAN BE EVERYTHING FROM RENTING BIKES TO RENTING THEM ONE AT A TIME.

AND IF A TOUR IS PART OF THE COMPONENT, IT'S A COMPONENT OF THE BETA.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT PROHIBITS IT BY ZONING NOR REGULATES IT BY RIGHT OF WAY.

AGAIN, WE HAVE IN OUR CODE THAT SAYS YOU, YOU CAN.

THAT SAYS AND AGAIN, IT HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGES.

IT'S IN OUR RIGHT OF WAY. IT'S DEFINED RIGHT.

AND SO NOW THEY'VE EXISTED, THEY'VE BEEN HERE FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW.

THEY'RE MORE PREVALENT THAN THEY WERE, BUT THEY'VE BEEN HERE FOR SEVERAL YEARS.

SO BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS, IS IF IT'S NOT RESTRICTED, YOU CAN'T JUST SAY YOU CAN'T BE ON A RIGHT OF WAY.

AND ANYBODY CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THAT.

SO THAT'S WHY I GET I DON'T GIVE THE BTR LICENSE.

IT'S SOMETIME HAS THE IMPRESSION IT DOES. IT IS A LICENSE TO REGISTER OF YOUR PURPOSES WITHIN THE JURISDICTION.

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THEREFORE IT DOES IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF IT. AND IF I'M INCORRECT, THEN OKAY.

SO IF WE HAVE ON OUR BEACHES THAT YOU CANNOT OPERATE A BUSINESS ON YOUR BEACHES, THAT'S LEGAL. IS THIS HYPOTHETICAL? BECAUSE I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT CODE BEING IN OUR IN OUR CURRENT CODE OF ORDINANCES.

NO, I IT IS ON OUR CODE. IN OUR CODE. OKAY. BUT I CAN CONFIRM THAT.

YEAH, I'D BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT THE SECTION. SO IF THE PRIOR COUNCIL SAID WE DON'T WANT TOURS OPERATING ON OUR STREETS. I GET WE'RE COUNCILMAN.

BARTON WAS COMING FROM HOW DO WE ADDRESS THIS? BESIDES THE FACT THAT WE SAY, OKAY, YOU'VE BEEN OPERATING.

SO BECAUSE YOU'RE OPERATING, WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW YOU TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE.

BUT IF THE MAJORITY OF THE COUNCIL SAYS NO, THAT WE DON'T WANT TOURS BY BICYCLE OR ALL THESE OTHER MEANS, THEN WE JUST MAKE THAT LAW. THAT SAYS NO BICYCLE MICROMOBILITY TOUR COMPANIES. SO ULTIMATELY IT'S UP TO COUNCIL ON WHAT RISK YOU WANT TO TAKE. I'M THE CITY ATTORNEY AND I'M GIVING YOU MY OPINION ON WHAT OPENS UP THE CITY TO MORE LIABILITY.

IF COUNCIL DECIDES TO GO AGAINST THAT OPINION AND PROHIBIT THEM ANYWAYS.

AND THAT'S COUNCIL'S RIGHT TO DO. BUT MY OPINION IS YOU CAN REGULATE THESE TO A POINT THAT EVERYONE FEELS COMFORTABLE AND ADDRESSES THE CONCERNS THAT I BELIEVE I'VE HEARD. BECAUSE NOW YOU HAVE AN ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM THAT YOU DON'T CURRENTLY HAVE.

I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S A FREE FOR ALL, BUT ESSENTIALLY THEY HAVE NO REGULATIONS THAT THEY HAVE TO ABIDE BY.

IF YOU DEVELOP A REGULATIONS, YOU DEVELOP A PERMIT PROCESS.

YOU DEVELOP THINGS THAT THEY HAVE TO ABIDE BY WHEN OPERATING THIS COMPANY AND MAY RESOLVE THE ISSUE.

AND IF IT DOESN'T, NOW YOU HAVE AN ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM THAT CAN ENSURE YOUR CODES ARE MET.

SO THAT'S THE BEST WAY I CAN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

CAN I KRAMER. THANK YOU. SO GET A LITTLE GRANULAR, I GUESS.

WELL, NOT REALLY JUST SPECIFIC. SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE NO PERMITTING PROCESS.

WE COULD CREATE CODE OR ORDINANCE OR WHATEVER IT IS TO SAY YOU MUST BE PERMITTED.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO GIVE THE PEOPLE.

I'M ASSUMING WE'D BE AT GREAT RISK IF WE DIDN'T ALLOW THE PEOPLE CURRENTLY OPERATING TO ACQUIRE THOSE PERMITS.

SO WE WOULD THEY WOULD HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACQUIRE THE PERMITS.

AND THEN PART OF THAT PERMITTING WOULD BE THE CONSTRAINTS.

FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN SIX PEOPLE IN YOUR GROUP.

YOU CANNOT STOP TRAFFIC. YOU CANNOT DRIVE ON THESE PARTICULAR ROADS.

ALL OF THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE THROUGH THE PERMITTING PROCESS ONCE WE DEVELOP THOSE CONSTRAINTS.

IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY, SO THAT'S ALL GOOD.

WE COULD DO THAT. AND THEN I'M WONDERING, CAN WE SUNSET THE ENTIRE OPERATION AND IT MAY TAKE TEN YEARS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG, BUT CAN WE ADD A PROVISO? I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS LEGAL THAT SAYS NO ONE CAN ACQUIRE YOUR PERMIT.

THIS SPECIFIC PERSON WHO IS RUNNING THIS GETS THE PERMIT PERIOD, KIND OF LIKE THEY DO BADGES IN FOR TAXIS IN DIFFERENT CITIES.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO PHASE OUT THOSE PERMITS.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, IF THERE ARE SIX THAT ARE OPERATING NOW, AND I DO UNDERSTAND THE LIABILITY THERE, $250 MILLION A YEAR OR SOMETHING CRAZY, 250,000, MAYBE A QUARTER OF A MILLION. BUT CAN WE PHASE THEM OUT OVER TIME, I GUESS IS MY QUESTION TO WHERE WE NO LONGER HAVE THIS ENTERPRISE IN OUR CITY.

SO IT'S A FAIR QUESTION, BUT I THINK WHAT A COURT OF LAW IS GOING TO LOOK AT IS WHETHER OR NOT THE REASONING OF CITY COUNCIL IS RATIONALLY RELATED TO A LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENTAL PURPOSE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO MEET. IF YOUR PURPOSE IS SAFETY, THAT'S OKAY.

IF YOUR PURPOSE IS JUST WE DON'T LIKE ACTING LIKE YOU'RE DOING THIS, BUT REALITY, YOU'RE TRYING TO WEED THEM OUT.

THAT'S NOT LEGALLY OKAY. OKAY. BUT IF YOU'RE IF YOUR PURPOSE IS TRAFFIC CONGESTION, SAFETY OF OF PEOPLE ON THE STREET, SAFETY OF PEDESTRIANS ON THE SIDEWALK, THOSE ARE ALL LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENTAL REASONS TO ENFORCE SOMETHING AND ADOPT SOMETHING.

WHICH GETS TO MY FINAL THING. IF WE WERE GOING TO DO THAT, I THINK IT'D BE INCUMBENT ON US TO GET REAL SPECIFIC DATA, WHICH WOULD BACK UP OUR REASONING FOR WHY WE WOULD WANT THIS TO NOT HAPPEN IN OUR CITY.

AND THE OTHER THING WE MAY LEARN IS WE'RE COLLECTING DATA IS IT'S NOT AS BIG A DEAL AS SOME PEOPLE THINK IT IS.

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FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, I THINK THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL MAY WANT TO TAKE IN STEPS.

BUT IT'S ULTIMATELY UP TO COUNCIL. AGAIN, JUST MY OPINION.

YOU ALL DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO IT. OKAY. THANKS.

DATA AS IN REFERENCING LIKE STOP TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS, TRAFFIC CONGESTION.

IF YOU COULD SHOW THAT THESE WERE SERIOUS ISSUES. AND I SHOULDN'T SAY SERIOUS. WHAT A COURT WOULD CONSIDER SERIOUS ISSUES.

THEN TO ELIMINATE THESE, THIS BUSINESS ALTOGETHER, I THINK WOULD HAVE SOME LEGS, I THINK.

IN LIEU OF THAT, YOU'D GET CRUSHED IN COURT. YOU CAN'T ARBITRARILY DO IT.

SO AND IT CAN'T BE ANECDOTAL THAT YOU SAW AT ONE TIME.

IT HAS TO BE. HERE'S THE DATA THAT SUPPORTS WHY WE DO NOT WANT THESE IN OUR TOWN.

IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE OR LIKE I HAVE LOTS OF VIDEOS, ETC..

SO THAT'S THE BEGINNING OF THE DATA COLLECTION.

EXACTLY RIGHT. AND WE WOULD NEED LOTS OF VIDEOS OR DATA POINTS, DOPE CHART, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO DO IT.

BUT BEFORE THAT WE SHOULD DISCUSS RIGHT NOW THE I MEAN, I PERSONALLY DON'T AGREE THAT WE SHOULD ALLOW JUST BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN ON OUR STREETS TO BE ON OUR STREETS.

SO IF WE HAVE A MAJORITY, I MEAN, NOW WE'VE ALREADY SAID NO.

SO NOW I NEED TO TAKE ANOTHER CONSENSUS ON WHETHER WE ARE GOING TO SAY YES, YOU.

THERE ARE SIX OPERATING ON OUR STREETS. WE'RE GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO OPERATE OUR STREETS.

THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET A RIGHT OF WAY PERMIT.

AND THEN WITH THAT, WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN THE CRITERIA FOR THAT PERMIT.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE, MR. MCCONNELL, THAT WOULD NEED TO BE TO HAPPEN? NO, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE GREAT DIRECTION MOVING FORWARD. IT WOULD GIVE ME AND STAFF AND MR. YOUNG ENOUGH TO PUT TOGETHER TO BRING SOMETHING BACK TO YOU THAT YOU ALL CAN DECIDE ON, WHETHER IT'S SPECIFIC ENOUGH, BROAD ENOUGH MEETS THE CITY CITY COUNCIL'S INTENT BEFORE IMPLEMENTATION.

OKAY, COUNCIL MEMBER, I HAVE ONE MORE. ONE MORE SECOND, ONE MORE RESTRICTION, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

AND THAT IS SIMPLY BECAUSE COACH TOUCHED ON ALL THE ONES THAT I WAS LOOKING AT.

I WAS THINKING OF AS WELL. NO ADDITIONAL PERMITTED PROCEEDING WHICH SHOULD ALSO, YOU KNOW, PUT A CAP ON. MAKE IT FIVE. SO EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE THEM SUNSETTING, YOU'RE ABLE TO CONTROL HOW MANY YOU GOT PERIOD. BUT IN ADDITION TO THAT, NO ADDITIONAL PERMITTED. A RESTRICTION ON THE NUMBER OF TOURS PERMITTED DAILY.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD ALSO BE BECAUSE OTHERWISE THEY'RE JUST SOMETHING YOU SAY, OKAY, WE CAN ONLY HAVE TEN PARTICIPANTS. WE'RE JUST GOING TO INCREASE THE NUMBER OF TOURS THAT WE HAVE DAILY BY THREE TIMES.

AND WE'RE GOING TO STILL END UP WITH THE SAME NUMBER OF YAHOOS RUNNING AROUND THE TOWN ON STOPPING TRAFFIC AND CAUSING ALL SORTS OF ISSUES.

SO WOULD WE BE ABLE TO ALSO LIMIT THE NUMBER OF TOURS THAT THEY'RE, THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO HAVE ON A DAILY BASIS? SO ANOTHER GOOD POINT. BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT IT FROM THE HIGHEST LEVEL RIGHT NOW BECAUSE COUNCIL, WE'RE GETTING A CONSENSUS ON SOMETHING THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT COUNCIL HAD TO GIVE ME A CONSENSUS ON BEFORE.

I THINK WE NEED TO DRAFT LANGUAGE. I THINK YOU NEED TO CREATE NON-ARBITRARY CRITERIA.

AND THEN I THINK YOU NEED THEM TO COME TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL.

AND I THINK THOSE ARE SITUATIONS IN WHICH YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS.

OKAY. BASED ON CRITERIA, IF YOU MAKE IT TOO PRESCRIPTIVE, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE NO LEEWAY UP HERE.

BECAUSE IF THEY MEET THE CRITERIA, THEN THEY HAVE TO BE APPROVED. YEAH. RIGHT. SO LIKE, IF YOU LEAVE IT OPEN ENDED TO SOME EXTENT TO ALLOW SOME EVIDENCE AND TESTIMONY TO BE TAKEN WHEN THESE PERMITS ARE APPLIED FOR THROUGH THE RIGHT OF WAY PERMIT, THEN I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO GRASP A LOT MORE CONTROL OF THE PROCESS. OKAY. WELL, AND I TRUST YOUR. I TRUST YOU IMPLICITLY IN THE LANGUAGE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO BRING TO THE TABLE AND FOR US TO DISCUSS AND APPROVE.

BUT I THINK IT'S, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE ON THE DAIS UP HERE UNDERSTAND THE MESSAGING WE JUST GOT FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND THAT IS TO PRO TO SAY NO TO VOTE NO ON WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO GET A CONSENSUS ON WOULD BE WOULD, WOULD BE TO SUGGEST THAT YOU WANT TO PROHIBIT THIS.

AND THE LANGUAGE, THE MESSAGING I JUST GOT FROM OUR ATTORNEY IS THAT IF WE VOTE TO TRY TO PROHIBIT THIS, WE'RE GOING TO FIND OURSELVES IN COURT, RIGHT? SO I BELIEVE THE MAYOR IS ABOUT TO ASK FOR A CONSENSUS ON PROCEEDING WITH THE RESTRICTIONS, APPLYING RESTRICTIONS TO THE EXISTING AND, AND COMING BACK TO US WITH LANGUAGE IN REFERENCE TO THAT.

BUT I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, MADAM MAYOR, EITHER. SO PLEASE, PLEASE LET US KNOW WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO DO.

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SO WE WANT THE PERMITTING PROCESS TO BE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ABOUT.

BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A PERMIT, SO THEY SHOULDN'T BE ON OUR STREETS.

DO WE WANT TO? WELL, THEY'VE GOT A THEY'VE GOT A RIGHT TO OPERATE BASED ON OUR CURRENT CODE.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, GENTLEMEN. WE GOT THEY GOT A RIGHT TO OPERATE BASED ON OUR CURRENT CODE. BECAUSE OUR CURRENT CODE DOES NOT REQUIRE PERMITTING FOR THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF OPERATION. WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS, IS REQUIRE PERMITTING BASED ON ON SPECIFIC CRITERIA.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO TRY TO POSSIBLY GET A CONSENSUS ON IS, IS MOVING FORWARD WITH THOSE TYPE OF RESTRICTIONS AND, AND APPLYING THOSE RESTRICTIONS TO THE EXISTING, BUT NOT TELL THEM THEY CAN'T OPERATE ANYMORE.

AND THEY NEED TO GO FIND ANOTHER WAY TO MAKE A LIVING. CORRECT.

I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND THAT LAW, BUT SO YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT NOW, IF I GO OUT AND GET HORSES, NOT DRAWN CARRIAGES AND START OPERATING ON THE STREETS OF THE CITY WITH HORSES AROUND THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PERMIT ME, BECAUSE THERE ARE NO LAWS THAT SAY YOU CAN'T PERMIT ME.

I BELIEVE THAT THAT THAT YOUR CONCERN THAT YOU JUST SUMMARIZED AND OUTLINED IS WHAT IS EXACTLY WHAT IS APPLYING TO THESE PARTICULAR OPERATIONS.

THESE PARTICULAR OPERATIONS DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE THE RESTRICTIONS, AND THEREFORE THEY ARE ALLOWED TO THEY ARE ALLOWED TO BE TO OPERATE.

NOT THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED, BUT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO OPERATE.

AND THAT'S THE CAN THEY BE ALLOWED TO OPERATE IF THEY DON'T HAVE A PERMIT ON CITY STREETS AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT ACCORDING TO OUR CODES? MATTHEW. IF I'M WRONG, BECAUSE THEY DON'T BECAUSE IT'S NOT REQUIRED.

THE PERMIT IS NOT REQUIRED FOR THEM TO OPERATE ON OUR CITY STREETS.

I MEAN, WE'VE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND I DON'T HAVE MISS BECKETT HERE, BUT I MEAN, THERE'S NO REQUIREMENT FOR A RIGHT OF WAY PERMIT FOR THIS OR ELSE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN REQUESTED BY STAFF WHEN THEY APPLIED FOR IT.

IF THERE WAS A BLANKET PROVISION IN OUR CODE THAT SAYS, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO IN THE RIGHT OF WAY, YOU NEED A PERMIT. I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE RIDING A BIKE.

I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE OPERATING. WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE THEY WOULD HAVE HAD TO GO THROUGH THE RIGHT OF WAY PERMIT APPLICATION PROCESS. BUT THAT LANGUAGE IS NOT IN OUR CODE. AND I DON'T CARE IF THERE'S 12 COMPANIES OPERATING RIGHT NOW.

IF WE HAVE A RATIONAL RELATION OR RATIONAL REASON TO ADOPT WHATEVER COUNCIL WANTS AND YOU LIMIT IT AT FIVE.

THERE'S NO SUNSET PROVISION. THE BEGINNING OF EVERY YEAR YOU HAVE TO COME IN FOR A RIGHT OF WAY PERMIT.

THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO. AND IF THEY'RE OPERATING WITHOUT IT, THEN WE CITE THEM AND WE TAKE THEM TO CODE ENFORCEMENT, AND WE DO WHATEVER ELSE WE NEED TO DO TO GAIN ENFORCEMENT AND COMPLIANCE WITH OUR CODE.

AND I ONLY JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION. THERE WAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PERMITTING OR ANYTHING ELSE.

BECAUSE IF THEY AND I DON'T KNOW THE THE LAW ON THIS.

SO SOMEBODY ELSE CAN TELL ME IF I UNLOAD MY VAN AND ME AND MY SEVEN KIDS GO RIDING DOWN THE ROAD, DO I HAVE A RIGHT TO USE THESE SAME TRIKES ON THE RIGHT OF WAY? AND SO WHETHER IT'S A BUSINESS OR NOT, WE ASSUME THAT EVERYONE THAT'S THERE TOGETHER IS RUNNING OUT OF A BUSINESS OR NOT.

AND I, I COME DOWN ON THE SIDE, AS DO I HAVE THE ABILITY TO RESTRICT OR NOT.

AND I DON'T NECESSARILY CARE. THE ANSWER IS AS MUCH AS SOMEBODY'S GOT TO TELL ME WHAT MY RIGHTS ARE TO GO AND HAVE MY POLICE OFFICERS ENFORCE SOMETHING, BECAUSE IF NOTHING IS RESTRICTING IT, THEN I'M NOT NECESSARILY ALLOWING IT.

BUT I DON'T HAVE A RIGHT TO TELL THEM TO GET OFF OF IT EITHER.

AND SO I'M JUST TRYING TO APPLY COMMON SENSE HERE IS WHERE DOES MY RIGHTS AS AN ADMINISTRATOR AND MY POLICE DEPARTMENT COME IN TO SAY, EVEN IF WHETHER IT'S PERMITTED OR NOT NOW, THE BTR IS NOT AN IMPLICIT PERMIT.

I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT. THE QUESTION IS, IS DO I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO I HAVE THE RIGHT TO TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT IN THE ABSENCE OF REQUIRING A REGULATION? THEN I HAVE A REGULATION THAT SAYS, YOU MAY NOT DO IT.

I'M NOT. I'M JUST ASKING THAT BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE CERTAIN THINGS THAT SAY IT'S PERMITTED AND YOU MUST GO GET A PERMIT.

THE OTHER ONE'S SAYING YOU HAVE NO REQUIREMENT, BUT DO I HAVE TO LEAVE THEM ON MY ROAD? I'M I'VE HEARD OVER AND OVER AGAIN THE ANSWER IS YES.

SO THIS WOULD BE THE ONLY WAY TO ADD IT THAT IT REQUIRES A PERMIT.

IF I'M WRONG IN THAT REGARD, THEN MY POLICE DEPARTMENT OR SOMEBODY ELSE CAN CORRECT ME, BUT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET MY ARMS AROUND IT.

RIGHT. NOT WHETHER IT WAS PERMITTED OR THE BETTER DOES MORE THAN IT ACTUALLY DID.

IT DOESN'T. SO TWO SEPARATE THINGS WITH THAT IS, OR ONE SEPARATE DISTINCTION IS YOU'RE GETTING ON YOUR STREETS WITH YOUR FAMILY VERSUS RUNNING A BUSINESS ON THE STREETS OF THE CITY.

THAT THAT'S THE QUESTION. I GET THAT. BUT AT THE MOMENT, WE'RE NOT STOPPING ANYBODY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT SAYS WHAT THEY SHOULD BE DOING OR WHERE THEY'RE GOING. AND SO AT THE END OF IT, AGAIN, I JUST GO BACK TO IF IT'S EITHER PERMITTED OR IT'S IT'S NOT,

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BY THE WAY, THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO DELINEATE BECAUSE WE USE THEM AS IF IT'S THE SAME SENTENCE AND IT'S NOT.

ARE THEY PERMITTED IN A RIGHT OF RIGHT WAY, WHETHER IT'S 1 OR 10.

IF IT IS RUNNING A BUSINESS, THEN I HAVE A LEGAL RIGHT TO.

TO PERMIT AND TO DETERMINE ROUTES AND FREQUENCY OR AT LEAST SIZE.

SO THAT'S ALL. BUT SO LET'S GO WITH THE SIX THAT ARE THERE.

DO WE KNOW WHETHER THEY ARE PERMITTED. AND I DON'T MEAN A BTR.

THERE IS NO PERMIT PROCESS WITHIN THE CITY OF NAPLES, SO NOBODY IN STAFF IN RIGHT OF WAY HAVE GIVEN ANY TYPE OF ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL FOR THESE BUSINESSES? NO, MA'AM. OKAY.

BECAUSE IT'S NOT REQUIRED. RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY.

THEY HAVEN'T ASKED FOR THESE THE THE THE PERMISSION FROM OUR STAFF BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE TO THEY DON'T HAVE TO.

OUR STAFF, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WE NEED WE AS A AS A GOVERNING BODY UP HERE, WE NEED TO PUT THEM IN A POSITION WHERE THEY NEED TO COME TO US AND ASK FOR PERMISSION TO DO THIS WITH THE GUIDELINES AND GUARDRAILS THAT WE THAT WE NEED TO APPLY TO THAT PERMITTING PROCESS THAT WE THAT WE SHOULD REQUIRE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE? OKAY, I HAVE SCHOLZ AND THEN I HAVE CARL. I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW THIS WILL RELATE, BUT IT'S A REAL LIFE EXAMPLE THAT HAPPENED YESTERDAY.

SEAGATE DRIVE HAS A STORE, I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED BIG MAMA'S A BIKE STORE, AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE STAYING AS GUESTS IN THE NAPLES GRAND WILL TAKE THEM VIA THEIR LITTLE SHUTTLE SERVICE AND DROP THEM OFF AT BIG MAMA'S TO RENT THESE, THESE SCOOTERS, THESE BIKES. AND IT'S CROSS JURISDICTIONAL BECAUSE THE STREET OF SEAGATE IS IN UNINCORPORATED COLLIER. BUT THE SIDEWALK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STREET IS IN THE CITY.

AND THESE THESE BIKES WERE GOING ALL OVER HELL AND BACK.

AND THESE TWO BIKES COLLIDED AND NOBODY GOT HURT.

IT WAS I JUST I SAT AND WATCHED THIS THING. AND THEN I KNOW THERE'S ANOTHER BIKE SHOP ON 41 JUST ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD. HOSPITAL AREA. YEAH. MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T USE BUSINESS NAMES.

JUST HYPOTHETICALLY, HOW IS THIS GOING TO ENCOMPASS THAT? THE LONE RANGERS OUT THERE OR JUST THE BIG COMPANIES DOING IT? BECAUSE I LITERALLY SAW IT HAPPEN YESTERDAY. BOOM, BOOM.

AND THESE KIDS, THEY WERE FORTUNATE, BUT IT WAS A MESS.

AND AGAIN, THEN IT GETS CROSS JURISDICTIONAL.

HOW ARE WE GOING DOWN A ROAD? HOW DO WE HOW DO WE DO THIS TO INCLUDE THAT TYPE OF SCENARIO? OR IS THAT SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT? YEAH. I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW YOU WOULD DO THAT BECAUSE WE CAN ONLY ENFORCE THE LAWS THAT ARE ON OUR, IN OUR WITHIN OUR CITY. SO THAT'S JUST WHISTLING DIXIE ACROSS THE GRAVEYARD.

OKAY. SORRY. OKAY. I THINK WE COULD OVERCOMPLICATE THIS AND IMPLEMENT ALL THIS STUFF.

BUT REALLY WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS REGULATING A BUSINESS THAT DOES TOURISM ON THESE THINGS.

AND FOR SAFETY REASONS AND WHAT WE SHOULD, WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING IS VOTING ON THAT AND, AND GIVING OUR, OUR COUNCIL GUIDELINES TO IMPOSE ON THEM WITH A PERMIT STARTING THE 1ST OF JANUARY FIRST, SO THEY COULD OPERATE NORMALLY LIKE THEY HAVE BEEN UNTIL JANUARY.

THERE'S NEW CONDITIONS THAT ARE GOING TO APPLY, AND THEY HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THOSE NEW CONDITIONS. AND THAT'S SHOULD BE A SIMPLE VOTE LIKE THAT. I MEAN, MAYBE WE LIMIT THE NUMBER AT ANY GIVEN TIME.

CAN WE SAY WE'RE ONLY GOING TO LICENSE X NUMBER OF THESE BUSINESSES.

CAN WE LIMIT THAT? AS LONG AS THAT LIMITATION IS RATIONALLY RELATED TO A LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT PURPOSE, THEN YES. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? SO IT MEANS THAT YOUR DECISION TO REGULATE THE NUMBER IS RELATED TO SOMETHING YOU ARE TRYING TO CONTROL.

SAFETY, SAFETY, AND TRAFFIC CONGESTION. PERFECT.

PERFECT. OTHERWISE, ARBITRARY DECISIONS ARE NEVER.

I MEAN, NEVER A GOOD THING. SO IF WE CAN LIMIT THE NUMBER, CAN WE DETERMINE IT'S AT A CERTAIN POINT IN TIME, THERE WILL BE NO MORE ISSUE. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU.

SO YOU'VE GOT A LICENSE RIGHT NOW. IT'S GOING TO EXPIRE TWO YEARS FROM NOW.

AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO INFORM YOU.

I'M SORRY. IT'S OVER. WE'VE HAD TOO MANY SAFETY CONCERNS.

SO IF COUNCIL IS WILLING IF MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO TAKE THIS IN A STEP BY STEP APPROACH.

I THINK WE'RE GOING DOWN THE LINE OF GETTING CONSENSUS ON SOME OF THESE REGULATIONS. I'VE HEARD FROM THREE OF YOU. IF WE COULD FINISH THAT,

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I'LL WORK WITH STAFF, AND THEN WE CAN TAKE IT FROM THERE. OKAY.

I'LL TAKE A CONSENSUS ON. ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW FOR BIKE TOURS FOR TOURISM PURPOSES ON THE STREETS OF OUR CITY? AND I'LL START. NO, SCHULTZ. NO, THAT'S NOT A FAIR CONSENSUS.

RESPECTFULLY, THAT'S NOT THE QUESTION. OKAY, WELL, WHAT'S THE QUESTION? THE QUESTION IS DIRECTING THE CITY STAFF AND CITY ATTORNEY TO DRAFT REGULATIONS REQUIRING APPLICATIONS FOR TOUR COMPANIES OPERATING ON THE RIGHT OF WAY. THAT'S THE CONSENSUS. WELL, THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

BUT WE ALREADY TOOK A CONSENSUS WITH THE LAST COUNCIL THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TOURISM TOURS AND ON THE STREETS OF THE CITY, AND THERE WAS A UNANIMOUS VOTE AND IT WENT NOWHERE WITH LEGISLATION.

SO WHY CAN'T. I GET A CONSENSUS ON WHETHER WE WANT TO OPERATE A TOURISM BUSINESS WITHIN THE STREETS OF OUR CITY.

SO COULD WE SAY NO MORE THAN SIX AND NO MORE THAN ANY MORE? NO MORE THAN TEN PATRONS AT ANY GIVEN TIME? COULD WE DO THAT? YES, BUT I WANT THE QUESTION TO BE ANSWERED. THE MAYOR'S QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT TO ALLOW A TOUR COMPANY ON THE RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH I. AGAIN, IT'S UP TO COUNCIL, IF I MAY.

MAYOR. SO MY ANSWER WOULD BE THIS. ASPIRATIONALLY.

IT'D BE GREAT IF WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY. THE REALITY OF THE WORLD WE LIVE IN, AND WITH NEW INFORMATION FROM OUR ATTORNEY TELLING US THAT IT'S AN INDEFENSIBLE POSITION TO SAY THAT WE WANT TO ELIMINATE THEM RIGHT NOW.

I MEAN, WHAT'S THE NEXT BEST POSSIBILITY? AND IF THAT NEXT BEST POSSIBILITY MEANS I HAVE TO SAY YES, WE HAVE TO ALLOW THEM. THEN I GOT TO SAY, YES, WE HAVE TO ALLOW BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO PUT THE CITY IN AN INDEFENSIBLE POSITION.

WHICH I WAS PART OF THE UNANIMOUS. SO YES, I'M CHANGING COURSE FOR WHOEVER, BUT I'VE GOT NEW INFORMATION SO THAT CHANGES THINGS.

AND AS MY COLLEAGUE MISS LINDA SAID, IF WE GOT TO GET A START SOMEWHERE OF GETTING OUR HANDS AROUND IT AND, AND LIKE OUR ATTORNEY SAID, IF WE CAN INCREMENTALLY GET TO WHAT WE WOULD LIKE, THEN I THINK WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD IN THAT DIRECTION.

SO LIMIT THE NUMBER. WELL, HE'S GOING TO COME BACK WITH ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES THAT ARE LEGAL, OKAY, AS OPPOSED TO A BLANKET. WE'RE GOING TO SHUT YOU ALL DOWN AND THEN GET IT HANDED TO US IN COURT.

SO I'LL VOTE YES. I THINK WE SHOULD ALLOW THEM BASED ON OUR CITY ATTORNEY'S LEGAL OPINION THAT WE JUST RECEIVED, THAT IF WE TRY TO PROHIBIT THEM, WE ARE GOING TO GET SUED.

SO THE ANSWER TO THE MAYOR'S QUESTION ON THE CONSENSUS IS YES, I THINK WE SHOULD ALLOW THEM.

AND THEN ULTIMATELY, MAYBE THE NEXT CONSENSUS SHOULD BE TO HAVE THE ATTORNEY AND STAFF WORK ON THE LANGUAGE SO THAT WE CAN ALLOW THEM WITH THE PARAMETERS THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

BUT THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT CONSENSUS. SO THE ANSWER FOR THE CURRENT CONSENSUS IS YES, WE SHOULD ALLOW THEM.

YEAH. IS THAT A MOTION I FEEL? WELL NO, WE'RE NOT DOING MOTIONS.

WE'RE NOT DOING MUCH. YEAH. I THINK LEGALLY WE'RE KIND OF IN A BOX THERE.

NUISANCE. THERE'S NO DOUBT THEY'RE A NUISANCE. BUT THE WAY TO CHOKE IT DOWN IS TO REGULATION FOR SAFETY REASONS, AND IT'S CLEARLY UNSAFE SITUATION THAT'S GOING ON IN MY OPINION.

WHAT'S GOING ON? SO I'M FOR WAITING TO COME BACK WITH CONDITIONS.

THAT AND LIMITS AND ALL THAT TO MAKE IT SAFE.

SO IT'S INTERPRETED BEING SAFE AND CHOKING THIS DOWN AS BEST WE CAN.

YEAH. KRAMER YES, I AGREE. WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DEVELOPING CONSTRAINTS IN THE A PERMITTING PROCESS.

YEAH, I'M A NO BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A SAFETY PROBLEM AND SCHOLZ CONSENSUS.

YEAH, I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THE CHIEF ENFORCES THIS.

BUT YES, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. NO.

YES. YES. YOU WILL CONSIDER BIKE TOURISM ON THE STREETS OF THE CITY.

CORRECT? I THINK YES. BUT THEN WE'RE GOING TO START TO HOPEFULLY ISSUE FEWER AND FEWER LICENSES AS THE YEARS GO ON. SO IT MAY BE IT MAY BE 20 NOW.

NEXT YEAR WILL BE SIX. THE NEXT YEAR IT MIGHT BE JUST FOUR.

SO THAT THEY'RE THEY'RE MADE VERY MUCH AWARE OF THE FACT THAT THEIR THEIR BUSINESS IS GOING TO HAVE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO BE HERE AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

THE DEVIL'S IN THE DETAIL, WHATEVER. HOWEVER, THAT WORKS LEGALLY.

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YEAH. WELL, ALL THAT WILL ALL THAT WILL BE GEARED TOWARDS IMPROVING, ENSURING WE'RE PROVIDING A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR THE PARTICIPANTS AND OUR OTHER RESIDENTS WHO COME INTO CONTACT WITH THEM. THAT INVOLVES LIMITS ON THE SIZE OF THE TOURS, THE NUMBER OF TOURS THEY'VE GOT TO HAVE INSURANCE, THEY'VE GOT TO WEAR HELMETS, ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

AND PRESUMABLY OTHER CITIES IN FLORIDA HAVE ALREADY TACKLED THIS THAT WE COULD USE AS EXAMPLES WHERE WE KNOW IT'S HELD UP AND PEOPLE ARE USED TO IT. SO WE COULD USE THOSE AS A STARTING POINT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE AS TIGHT AND SAFE AS POSSIBLE.

ABSOLUTELY. JUST TELL ME ALL THE BIKES AND TIRES.

THEY HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION ON THIS. SO I THINK WE SHOULD, WHILE YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS AS USE OF THE RIGHT OF WAY BY COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISES, AND WE ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING, I THINK FOR TOUR BUSSES, THE TROLLEY, THINGS LIKE THAT. WE MAY WANT TO CONSIDER OTHER COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISES OUTSIDE THE CITY.

FOR INSTANCE, IF THERE'S A LARGE HOTEL WHO WANTS TO SHUTTLE PEOPLE INTO OUR FIFTH AVENUE OR OUR BEACHES AND IF IF WE CAN, HOW WE REGULATE THEM, WHETHER IT'S A LARGE CONDO BUILDING OR A LARGE HOTEL OUTSIDE OUR CITY LIMITS THAT WANTS TO BRING PEOPLE IN. AND ADD TO THE CONGESTION OF OUR BEACHES AND STREETS.

IS THERE A WAY WE CAN REGULATE THAT? I DON'T WANT TO HOLD UP WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE BECAUSE THIS IS A PRIORITY.

BUT I THINK THERE'S ANOTHER QUESTION THAT WE SHOULD ADDRESS.

NO, I THINK IT'S A GOOD QUESTION, THOUGH. FOR THIS ALSO BECAUSE WILL THE REGULATIONS BE THAT THEY HAVE TO BE A CITY BUSINESS IN ORDER TO DO IT? BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE BUSINESSES THAT ARE NOT IN THE CITY THAT COME AND DO THAT EXACT SAME THING WITH SURFBOARDS AT THE BEACHES. YEAH. AND THESE SAME MICRO-MOBILITY COMPANIES, THEY COULD BE SET UP JUST OUTSIDE CITY LIMITS AND BRING PEOPLE IN OR SO.

YEAH. THANK YOU. AND NOW I'D LIKE A TIME FRAME BECAUSE WE WE HAVE TO SET A TIME FRAME ON THIS BEFORE WE HAVE ANOTHER SIX OF THEM THAT SAY, OH, WE JUST HEARD AT THE COUNCIL MEETING THAT YOU CAN RUN A BUSINESS AND NOW THEY CAN'T STOP YOU.

AND NOW THAT WE'VE LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT THEY CAN GO START A BUSINESS WITHOUT A PERMIT ON OUR STREETS.

WHAT WILL THE TIME FRAME BE? THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.

JUST TO THE FIRST POINT YOU MADE, THOUGH. I MEAN, THERE COULD BE 15 MORE COMPANIES THAT COME ABOUT THIS YEAR, BUT AS LONG AS THAT ORDINANCE IS PASSED THIS YEAR AND EFFECTIVE JANUARY 1ST, AND THE PROCESS IS RATIONALLY RELATED TO A LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT PURPOSE, THERE MAY ONLY BE FIVE NEXT YEAR. REGARDLESS OF HOW MANY ARE HERE.

SO I WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR TIMING. I CAN WORK WITH MR. YOUNG ON WHAT THE APPROPRIATE WORKSHOP IS. I'M ASSUMING I'M GOING TO NEED SOME MEETINGS WITH SOME STAFF AS WELL TO DETERMINE, BUT I THINK VICE MAYOR MAKES A GREAT POINT. THERE ARE CLEARLY CITIES THAT HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE, THAT HAVE WORKED, THAT HAVE PROBABLY UPHELD LEGAL CHALLENGES. SO IT MAY NOT BE THAT DIFFICULT TO PULL TOGETHER SOME LANGUAGE THAT COUNCIL WANTS TO OKAY, BEFORE MOVING FORWARD WITH AN ORDINANCE.

WELL, I THINK THE ORDINANCE NEEDS TO BE WRITTEN AS THE GENERAL INFORMATION THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED TODAY.

I COULD DO THAT TOO. SO AND FROM STAFF INPUT AND BRING IT BACK TO US BECAUSE THIS THIS WORKSHOP AFTER WORKSHOP, WE NEED TO GET SOMETHING BEFORE US. QUICK, QUICK ONE COMMENT, MADAM MAYOR.

YES. IN REFERENCE TO WHAT THE MAYOR JUST SUGGESTED.

IS THERE ANY WAY THAT WE CAN THAT WE CAN PUT A A MORATORIUM ON APPLICATIONS, BRT APPLICATIONS THAT, THAT ARE THAT PERTAIN TO TOUR COMPANIES WHILE WE ARE, SINCE WE NOW HAVE OFFICIALLY STARTED THE PROCESS OF POTENTIALLY PUTTING AN ORDINANCE IN PLACE THAT'S GOING TO REGULATE THAT.

BY THE WAY, IT'S NOT A BTR OR. YEAH. OR IS THAT JUST MUDDY THE WATERS? I MEAN, MAYBE IT'S NOT NECESSARY, BUT FIRST I WANT TO CLARIFY THE BTR ISN'T REGULATING IT IN ANY WAY SPECIFICALLY FOR TOUR COMPANIES.

YOU MEAN A PERMIT THAT WE DON'T HAVE? THAT'S CORRECT.

YES. CORRECT. THAT'S WHAT I'M SUGGESTING. IS ANYBODY THAT WANTED TO GET A BUSINESS OPERATION APPROVAL FOR A TOUR COMPANY WITHIN THE CITY OF

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AND IF, AGAIN, MAYBE THAT JUST MUDDIES THE WATERS. NO, IT'S IT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION.

I'D HAVE TO LOOK INTO THIS SPECIFICALLY. BUT JUST SO YOU KNOW, MORATORIUMS ARE ORDINANCES THAT REQUIRE TWO READINGS ANYWAYS.

FOR ME, I'M USING THE WRONG TERMINOLOGY. SO TERMINOLOGY.

SO I MEAN, IF YOU DO A MORATORIUM, YOU'RE HAVING TWO READINGS OF AN ORDINANCE ANYWAYS. AND IF, IF COUNCILS DIRECTION RIGHT NOW IS WE DON'T NEED A WORKSHOP, WE'VE HEARD ENOUGH TO PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU, THEN IT'LL BE PRACTICALLY THE SAME TIME. OKAY.

THAT'S FINE. IS ANYONE OPPOSED TO THAT? NO I'M NOT.

I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT. I THINK THAT'S EVERYTHING FOR THIS ITEM.

MAYOR. THAT WAS EASY. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT COMING BACK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

IT IS 1250, AND WE NEED TIME FOR A LUNCH. SO 20 MINUTES.

SURE. OKAY. SO YEAH WE'LL TAKE 20 MINUTES AND COME BACK AND CONTINUE ON WITH ITEM SIX C. OKAY.

OKAY. WE'RE BACK FROM LUNCH AND WE ARE CONTINUING ON ITEM SIX.

[6.C) A Presentation and Discussion on Security Enhancements to City Hall and Council Chambers.]

AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CHAD. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON.

GOOD AFTERNOON. CHAD MERRITT, COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR.

SO I'VE PUT THIS POWERPOINT TOGETHER BECAUSE I WANTED TO KIND OF RUN THROUGH, YOU KNOW, CITY HALL IS A VERY ACTIVE SPOT FOR OUR CITY OPERATIONS, AND WE HAVE OVER 50 STAFF IN THAT BUILDING AND SEVERAL DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.

SO WHAT ARE SOME OF THE USAGE THAT WE HAVE FROM THE PUBLIC? SO PEOPLE COME THERE TO PAY THEIR WATER, SEWER AND WASTE COLLECTION OF PAYMENTS, AS WELL AS THEIR FINES FROM MPD OR CODE ENFORCEMENT, BEACH PATROL OR, EXCUSE ME, BEACH PARKING PASSES TAX COLLECTION OFFICE, WHICH IS ALSO LOCATED HERE.

MEETINGS WITH CITY OFFICIALS, OBTAINING INFORMATION, AND SOME OF THE DIFFERENT KIOSKS THAT WE HAVE AT THE FRONT AND SOME OTHER TASKS AS NEEDED.

SO SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT THAT WE HAVE WITH CITY HALL IS, IS THE LACK OF SECURITY.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, THE PUBLIC CAN ACCESS MOST OF THE BUILDING WITHOUT ANY BOUNDARIES.

THEY HAVE STAFF HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF WHO'S IN THE BUILDING AT ANY GIVEN TIME.

THERE'S TWO ENTRY POINTS. YOU HAVE THE ENTRY POINT TO THE EAST AND AN ENTRY POINT TO THE WEST.

THERE'S NO SCREENING, SO WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY WEAPONS THAT ENTER INTO THE BUILDING, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THE SIGNAGE THAT STATES THAT IT IS NOT ALLOWED AND STAFF ARE NOT REALLY PROTECTED FROM WHAT WE CONSIDER THE BAD ACTORS. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, OF COURSE, THE PICTURES, I'M A GUY THAT LIKES TO SEE PICTURES VERSUS A LOT OF WORDS, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE PICTURES YOU CAN SEE DIRECTLY DOWN THE HALL.

THIS IS LOOKING TOWARDS THE PURCHASING OFFICE AND WHAT WE WOULD RECOMMEND DOING IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA IS WE WOULD PUT A A DOOR RIGHT BEHIND THE RESTROOM AND IT WOULD BE A, OR A STAFF ACCESS ONLY, I SHOULD SAY, RIGHT BEHIND THE RESTROOM THAT WOULD ALLOW THE RESTROOM TO BE USED BY THE PUBLIC, BUT YOU WOULD HAVE PROTECTION WITH THE PAYROLL OFFICE PURCHASING.

YOU WOULD DO THE SAME THING ON THE FLIP SIDE.

AND WE'LL TALK HERE IN JUST A SECOND. BUT ACTUALLY, I GUESS THE WAY I'LL FRAME IT IS LET'S TALK ABOUT THE.

SO SECOND FLOOR WOULD BE HUMAN RESOURCES AND THE CONFERENCE ROOM.

WE WOULD GO WITH AN ACCESS DOOR JUST ADDED BEFORE THE RESTROOM THAT WOULD MAKE THOSE RESTROOMS UPSTAIRS STAFF ONLY THAT WOULD KEEP THE CONFERENCE ROOM PROTECTED AND KIND OF QUARANTINED OFF WHICH WE HAVE A LOT OF STAFF MEETINGS FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS. IT WOULD ALSO HELP PROTECT THE HUMAN RESOURCES OFFICE.

SO IF SOMEBODY COMES IN, THEY'RE AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGED.

SAME THING WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE STAFF BREAK ROOM AND THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICE RIGHT NOW, THE PUBLIC COULD TECHNICALLY WALK IN AND GO STRAIGHT INTO THE BREAK ROOM. WE WOULD HAVE A RESTROOM THERE AS WELL FOR THE THAT'S THE LADIES RESTROOM.

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AND THEN YOU WOULD LOOK AT THE STAIRS. SO THE PUBLIC WOULD USE THE STAIRS THAT ARE DOWN ON THE WEST ENTRANCE AS WELL AS THE ELEVATOR IF THEY NEEDED.

ONCE THEY'RE SCREENED AND THEY'RE SENT UPSTAIRS.

ELEVATOR OBVIOUSLY WOULD STILL BE A MIXED USE WITH PUBLIC AND THE STAFF.

AND THEN THE PURCHASING AND CITY CLERK AND PAYROLL OFFICE, AS I STATED, WOULD HAVE THE DOORWAY JUST AFTER THE RESTROOM ON BOTH SIDES.

THAT WOULD HELP TO ALLOW THE TAXPAYERS OFFICE WOULD BE OPEN SO THAT PEOPLE WOULD BE ABLE TO MOVE INTO THERE.

BUT THE RESTROOMS WILL BE OPEN AS WELL. IN ADDITION, SOME OF THE TO REDUCE THE THE PUBLIC ACCESS TO ONE POINT OF ENTRY. RIGHT NOW THEY CAN ENTER IN THE EAST AND THE WEST.

AND AGAIN, I WON'T SPEAK ON BEHALF OF POLICE, BUT THAT WAS ONE OF THE POINTS OF OF THIS WHOLE PRESENTATION THAT THEY WANTED TO MAKE IS RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT TWO POINTS OF ACCESS WHERE IF YOU HAD ONE POINT OF ACCESS FROM THE PUBLIC, IT WOULD MAKE THINGS EASIER TO BE ABLE TO SCREEN AND ALSO TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL WHO'S COMING IN AND OUT OF THE BUILDING.

SO USE OF THE FRONT DOOR, WHICH IS OVER BY THE COUNCIL CHAMBER, WHICH IS ON THE WEST SIDE, THAT IS JUST OUTSIDE OF THESE DOORS, THAT IS WOULD BE THE SELECTED PLACE FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO ENTER INTO THE BUILDING.

AND IT'S ALSO ADA COMPLIANT BECAUSE WE HAVE THE RAMP THAT COMES DOWN THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WHICH LEADS US INTO THE FRONT. WE WOULD STATION.

AND AGAIN, THESE CAN BE DONE IN PHASES. SO WHEN I SAY THIS, THESE ARE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT CAN WE CAN HAVE A PHASED APPROACH.

BUT THIS. WE WOULD STATION PERSONNEL IN THE FRONT TO HANDLE THE SECURITY CHECKS.

WE WOULD HAVE A FRONT DESK PERSON THERE THAT COULD HANDLE CALLING WHATEVER DEPARTMENT IT IS.

IF SOMEBODY'S COMING TO MEET WITH, I'M JUST THROWING, I'LL SAY THE CITY MANAGER, THEN THEY CAN CALL UP AND THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE CAN BRING THEM UP INTO FACILITY. MUCH LIKE YOU, IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN INTO THE COUNTY FACILITIES, THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO THAT.

SO THIS IS KIND OF A LAYOUT. AND I GOT A LITTLE CRAZY.

DISREGARD THIS RED GUY HERE, BUT THIS LITTLE DOT WANTS TO FADE ON ME.

SO IF YOU LOOK, YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS IS THE EAST ENTRANCE TO THE BUILDING.

THIS IS ONE OF THE LOCATIONS THAT WE WOULD SAY THAT WOULD BE JUST STAFF ONLY THE WEST ENTRANCE WOULD BE HERE.

SO GREEN MEANS THIS IS WHERE THE PUBLIC WOULD ENTER.

THIS IS THE DESK THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY INSTALL HERE.

YOU WOULD HAVE AN ACCESS POINT HERE, AN ACCESS POINT HERE, AND THEN THE DOORS JUST AFTER THE RESTROOMS, HERE'S THE RESTROOM, HERE'S THE RESTROOM. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE BLOCKED AREA.

AND YOU WOULD USE VERY SIMILAR. IF YOU LOOK AT THE CITY MANAGER SUITE, THE CITY MANAGER'S SUITE HAS THE GLASS DOORS.

WE WOULD TRY TO MAKE THIS VERY CONSISTENT. IT WOULDN'T BE AS LARGE AS FAR AS THE WALL GOING ACROSS, BUT WE WOULD HAVE THE GLASS DOORS, SO IT WOULD BE A LITTLE MORE ESTHETICALLY PLEASING.

YOU ALREADY HAVE THESE ENTRY POINTS HERE. WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE UPSTAIRS, I'LL SHOW YOU THAT. BUT YOU. FINANCE DEPARTMENT HAS THE DOORS AND THEY ARE LOCKED IN.

THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO CONSIDER WITH THIS COUNTERTOP HERE.

WHEN YOU'VE GOT AN OPEN KIND OF AIR INTO THE THE FINANCE OFFICE, WE WOULD WANT TO TRY TO, AGAIN, PHASE THE APPROACH TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT THEM FROM ANY BAD ACTORS AS WELL.

AND THEN HERE'S THE SECOND FLOOR HERE. YOU'VE GOT THE STAIRWELL AGAIN.

IT WOULD BE A STAFF ONLY STAIRWELL ON THE THE WEST SIDE.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE AREA HERE. THIS IS THE CONFERENCE ROOM.

THIS IS THE RESTROOM HERE. HERE'S THE OTHER RESTROOM HERE.

SO THIS WILL BE THE DOOR RIGHT BEFORE THE CONFERENCE ROOM.

THAT WOULD KEEP THEM FROM ENTERING INTO THE CONFERENCE ROOM.

AND AGAIN, THIS WILL BE A STAFF ONLY. SO THIS KIND OF QUARANTINES THEM INTO THIS AREA ONCE THEY MOVE UP.

AND THEN IF THEY'RE COMING TO SEE HUMAN RESOURCES, HUMAN RESOURCES WOULD BE ABLE TO COME TO THE DOOR ALLOWING THEM TO COME IN.

SAME THING WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT. AND THEN OF COURSE, CURRENTLY.

WHAT HAPPENS AT THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE? IF YOU GO UP TO THE DOOR, YOU HAVE TO BUZZ IN AND SOMEBODY COMES IN TO LET YOU IN.

ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS. IF YOU LOOK OUTSIDE OF THE COUNCIL CHAMBERS HERE WE LOOK AT WE ALREADY HAVE A SCREENED IN AREA.

SO WE WOULD LOOK. THIS IS AGAIN, THIS WAS DONE AND I'LL SHOW YOU RENDERINGS IN A SECOND.

WITH THE BACK IN 2019, NHK HAD DESIGNED SOME RENDERINGS AND CONCEPTUALES.

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THERE'S OTHER THINGS THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY DO, BUT THIS GIVES YOU THE GENERAL IDEA.

SO THIS IS YOUR ENTRY POINT FOR THE PUBLIC COMING INTO CITY HALL.

THIS COULD BE ANOTHER PHASE IN IT. BUT YOU WOULD HAVE THE COLUMNS OUT HERE KIND OF QUARANTINED IN WHERE IF SOMEBODY CAME IN, THIS WOULD BE YOUR SCREEN POINT. THEY WOULD ENTER INTO THE CITY HALL AND GO TO THE FRONT DESK AND THEY WOULD BE DISPERSED AT THAT POINT.

SAME THING WHEN YOU LOOK OUTSIDE OF THESE COUNCIL CHAMBERS, INSTEAD OF HAVING IT OPEN LIKE THAT HAVING SOME KIND OF GLASS WALL OR SHIELD MUCH LIKE THIS HERE IN THIS RENDERING, YOU CAN SEE THAT THIS WAS DONE AS A GLASS WALL.

GLASS WALL. THIS IS WHERE YOU ENTER IN TO THE CURRENT SCREENING AREA COMING INTO THESE CITY HALL CHAMBERS.

AND THIS IS KIND OF ANOTHER VIEW LOOKING. SO THIS IS THE DOOR THAT'S OVER TO THE LEFT.

THIS IS THE DOOR HERE ON THE ON MY RIGHT. SO THIS IS KIND OF WHERE I'M WHERE I'M AT.

AND WE'RE TRYING TO JUST I PROVIDED YOU SOME RENDERINGS.

I ALSO PROVIDED THE, THE PLAN THAT WAS DRAFTED BACK IN 2019.

SOME OF THOSE MEASURES HAVE BEEN TAKEN. THERE'S BEEN THINGS LIKE THE RAILING THAT'S BEEN PUT IN OVER HERE THAT PREVENTS A VEHICLE OR HELPS TO PREVENT A VEHICLE FROM COMING UP THOSE STEPS. THERE WERE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE DONE.

AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT PLANTERS. THERE WAS PLANTERS THAT WERE OUT IN FRONT OF THE STEPS HERE TO PREVENT A VEHICLE FROM GOING UP THERE.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE CAN STILL DO TO HELP PROTECT, BUT STILL PROVIDE THAT REALLY NICE LOOK THAT WE ALL KNOW AND LOVE ABOUT CITY HALL. BUT YOU KNOW, THE LIGHTS HAVE BEEN ENHANCED.

THERE'S BEEN SOME OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN TRAVIS.

HE WAS HERE DURING THAT STUDY. AND I KNOW THAT HE'S KIND OF BRIEFED ME ON A LOT OF THE STUFF AND WHAT I'VE READ IN HERE.

SO I WANTED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. I KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE A LOT OF CITY STAFF IN THIS BUILDING.

AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO WHAT WE CAN TO PROTECT THEM.

SO THAT'S MY PRESENTATION FOR NOW. ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S ALL I GOT. WELL. THANK YOU. I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN ABOUT OUR STAFF BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY THEY'RE THEY'RE KEY COMPONENTS AND VALUABLE AND NOT REPLACEABLE.

BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PUTTING GLASS ON THE SIDES ON THE DOWNSTAIRS AND UPSTAIRS, I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE REASON FOR THAT BECAUSE ALL THOSE DOORS ARE LOCKED AND YOU CAN ONLY GET IN, WE PUT IN ALL THAT MONEY INTO VIDEO COMMS AND DOORBELLS.

SO TO ME THAT ONE PART WOULD, WOULDN'T BE A NECESSARY PART, I UNDERSTAND.

GOING INTO CITY HALL EAST AND WEST, THAT'S GOING TO BE QUITE THE THE TRANSITION.

FOR THE COMMUNITY, ONE IS NOT COMING IN FROM THE EAST.

HOW WOULD WE MAKE SURE THAT SOMEBODY THAT'S HANDICAPPED COULD COME UP? BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY HAVE THAT ON THIS SIDE AND THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED.

OR IT'D HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED ON SEVENTH. BUT HAVING SOMEONE AT THAT, I GUESS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A CHECK IN DESK FOR RIGHT THERE WHEN YOU WALK IN FROM THIS SIDE OF THE DOUBLE DOORS, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD HAVE AN EXTRA PROTECTION, BUT IF YOU HAD IT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT JUST WHERE THE SLIDING DOORS ARE, THE AUTOMATIC DOORS, THEN YOU'D HAVE SOMEBODY THERE.

THAT'S CORRECT. SO WHEN YOU COME IN, YOU WOULD HAVE A A SCREENING AREA AND OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE YOUR, YOUR PERSON WHO'S KIND OF GETTING THE INFORMATION OR HELPING THEM GET TO THEIR LOCATION, BE THE ONE THAT IS YOUR SCREENING POINT BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ANY WAY TO SCREEN THEM.

SO YOU HAVE THE SCREEN POINT WHERE THEY COME INTO THAT AREA, THEY'RE SCREENED, THEY GO INTO THE SLIDING GLASS AREA, THERE'S A DESK THERE AND THEY SAY, HEY, I'M GOING UP TO CODE.

THEY BUZZ CODE, HEY, YOU HAVE A PERSON THAT'S COMING.

THEY HAVE A MEETING, WHATEVER, TWO SCREENING AREAS.

SO THEY GET YOU WOULD HAVE A SECURITY SCREENING AREA, AND THEN YOU WOULD HAVE A STAFF MEMBER WHO'S ACTUALLY HELPING THEM GET TO THEIR LOCATION.

SO MORE OF AN INFORMATIONAL DESK. AND MUCH LIKE IF YOU'VE BEEN IN SOME OTHER MUNICIPALITIES,

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SO AND AGAIN, THIS IS THESE ARE PHASED APPROACHES.

THESE ARE JUST RECOMMENDATIONS ON WAYS THAT WE CAN TRY TO ENHANCE THE SECURITY.

IT ALSO KEEPS PEOPLE FROM WONDERING, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES WHEN I'M IN THIS BUILDING IN CITY HALL, I SEE PEOPLE WALKING AROUND AND THEY'RE. THEY SEEM LOST AND I ASK THEM IF THEY NEED HELP AND HELP POINT THEM IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.

SO THEY AUTOMATICALLY COMING INTO CITY HALL WITH A DESK SAYING, THIS IS WHERE I'M HEADING, AND THEY GET POINTED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. SO I THINK FROM A CUSTOMER SERVICE STANDPOINT, IT ADDS ANOTHER LAYER OF CUSTOMER SERVICE. SO YOU GOT SECURITY.

THEN A CUSTOMER SERVICE DESK IS WHAT I WOULD CALL IT.

SO WE'RE ADDING SOME TYPE OF OFF DUTY OFFICER OR SOME COMPANY THAT WOULD COME IN AND DO SECURITY. SO IT'S AS MR. MAYOR SAID, IT'S A MULTI-PHASED APPROACH. THAT WOULD BE ONE PHASE OF DETERMINING DO WE WANT TO USE NON-SWORN PERSONNEL FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, LIKE WE DO WITH A MIX OF BEACH PATROL OR SWORN OFFICERS, OR AS AN EXAMPLE, THE WAY COLLIER COUNTY DOES IT.

THEY HAVE A PRIVATE, CONTRACTED ARMED SECURITY COMPANY THAT RUNS THEIR ENTIRE SECURITY PROCEDURES, COMPLETELY SEPARATE FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. THE SHERIFF USED TO RUN THEIR SECURITY.

THEY FOUND IT WAS MORE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE, AND ALLOWED THE SHERIFF TO FOCUS ON OTHER MATTERS. TO HAVE A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR.

IT WOULD BE AN ADMINISTRATIVE DECISION FROM CITY HALL AT THAT POINT.

I'M SORRY. I SHOULD HAVE GONE AHEAD AND. KRAMER.

THAT'S OKAY. THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GOING TO ASK. THEY HAVE, LIKE, ONE OUT OF THEIR LOT.

WHEREVER YOU'RE GOING AT CITY HALL, WHETHER IT'S ON THE COMMISSIONER SITE, WHATEVER BUILDING YOU'VE GOT THEIR SECURITY, WHICH IS. AND I GUESS THAT WAS MY QUESTION. WHOEVER'S GOING TO BE DOING THE SCREENING AND I'M ASSUMING IT'S GOING TO BE METAL DETECTOR, ETC.. YES, THAT'S A WHOLE NOTHER CONVERSATION, RIGHT? THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE WOULD USE IT IS WE ONLY, WE INITIATED THE, THE SECURITY SCREENING HERE FOR COUNCIL MEETINGS BECAUSE IT'S A GOVERNING BODY MEETING. THE DIRECTING THE SAME KIND OF SCREENING PROCEDURES AT CITY HALL WOULD BE A DECISION FOR FOR OUR LEADERSHIP TO MAKE. I WILL TELL YOU THAT COLLIER COUNTY HAS KIND OF LED THE WAY IN THIS.

THEY DO IT AT THEIR COURTHOUSE FOR THEIR MEETINGS. THEY ALSO DO IT IN THE GOVERNMENT OFFICES THEMSELVES, WHICHEVER BUILDING WHERE THE STATE ATTORNEY MEETS. YES, SIR. AND THEY HAVE THE SAME SECURITY PROCEDURES AT BOTH LOCATIONS.

YEP. THAT'S WHAT I WAS OBSERVING. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS GUESSING THAT WAS MODELED AFTER. AND I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. AND STARTED WAY BEFORE ME, BUT I TALKED TO STAFF ABOUT IT A COUPLE TIMES.

AND THE NOTION THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, LIKE ELIZABETH NOW, WHOEVER YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THERE ON THE NEXT LEVEL, WHICH THEY HAVE AS WELL IN THAT BIG INFORMATION DESK IN THE ONE BUILDING, LIKE HERE'S WHERE YOU GO FOR WHATEVER YOU NEED. I THINK THAT REALLY AMPS UP THE CUSTOMER SERVICE FOR, FOR OUR TAXPAYERS. SO THAT'S PRETTY COOL.

THANKS, BENJAMIN. I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING YOU SAID.

I THINK HE DOES A TERRIFIC JOB OF SCREENING, BUT I THOUGHT SOMEWHERE IN HERE WE TALKED ABOUT VISITOR STICKERS SO THAT WE KNOW IF YOU'RE A VISITOR, IF YOU'RE KIND OF WANDERING AROUND LOST OR WHATEVER.

WASN'T THAT PART OF THE DISCOURSE HERE TOO? I BELIEVE IN THE ORIGINAL STUDY.

AND LOOKING BACK AT TRAVIS HE WAS PART OF HELP HELPING DEVELOP THE ORIGINAL STUDY, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE CAN ALWAYS ADD EASILY, ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S UP AT THE FRONT DESK.

THAT'S AN INFORMATIONAL PURPOSE. I COULD SEE A REAL ADVANTAGE TO THAT, QUITE FRANKLY.

SO IN THE ORIGINAL STUDY, I THINK THEY DID IN THE STUDY THAT WAS DONE.

THAT'S 2019. I DO THINK THEY MENTIONED THAT AS A, AS A MEANS, BUT I THINK THAT'S BACK TO SOMETHING LIKE MICHAEL RILEY TALKED ABOUT EARLIER WAS IT'S A PROCESS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WOULD PUT IN PLACE WITH WHOMEVER IS GOING TO BE AT THE DOOR.

YOU KNOW, WHETHER HOW WE ISSUE THAT AND THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW.

I THINK ONCE WE KNOW THE PROCESS AND WHAT WANTS TO BE DONE THAT COMES FROM, YOU KNOW, FROM CITY MANAGER AND DOWN TO US, AND THAT WOULD BE IN LIEU OF WHOEVER THE PERSONNEL IS, THAT OFFICER, WHATEVER OFFICE YOU'RE GOING INTO THAT WOULD PRECLUDE THAT PERSON FROM COMING DOWN AND ESCORTING YOU TO WHEREVER IT IS YOU'RE WANTING TO GO, I'M ASSUMING.

YEAH. AND THAT'S KIND OF, AGAIN, YOU GET INTO A PROCESS OF, OF WHAT WE WOULD DO ONCE WE HAVE ALL OF THESE CHECKPOINTS OR THESE INFORMATIONAL POINTS IN PLACE, THEN WE WOULD KIND OF HAVE OUR PROCESS OF WHO COMES AND WHO DOES WHAT.

IS IT THE DEPARTMENT. SO IF I'VE GOT A MEETING AND IT'S MY DEPARTMENT AND I HAVE A MEETING SET UP WITH SOMEONE AND I KNOW THEY'RE COMING IN,

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SO THEY'RE NOT TRYING TO FIND OUT WHERE THEY'RE GOING.

LOOKING FOR DOORS. AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN WHEN I'VE BEEN IN THE BUILDING.

YEAH, THAT WOULD THAT WOULD ALSO SOLVE THE SAME PROBLEM.

BARTON. IVAN. THANK YOU. I HAVEN'T, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY NUMBERS ON THIS OR COST OR SOMEBODY DONATING THIS.

I WAS HOPING YOU. OKAY. YOU'RE OUT. NO, THIS WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT FIRST OFF, WE'VE GOT TO GET A CONSENSUS THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO PURSUE AT THAT POINT. YOU KNOW, I WOULD HOPE THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO ENGAGE AN ENGINEER ARCHITECT TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY DRAW UP THOSE PLANS BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE THOSE PLANS DRAWN UP BEFORE YOU CAN SEND IT OUT TO BID.

ONCE WE PUT IT OUT THE BID, OF COURSE, THE ENGINEER IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU AN OPC, OR THE ARCHITECT. THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU A OPC.

WE'LL HAVE AN IDEA OF WHERE IT SHOULD COME IN, BUT UNTIL WE ACTUALLY GET THIS OUT TO BID.

BUT WHAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IS GO AHEAD AND DEVELOP ALL THESE PLANS, PAY FOR THE THE PLANS THROUGH AN ARCHITECT, GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF A BID AND THEN COME TO YOU ALL.

AND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE SUPPORT. SO I WANTED TO GET THE CONSENSUS ON THE SUPPORT TO MOVE THIS FORWARD, TO BE ABLE TO GET THE PLANS. AND THEN EVEN I DON'T KNOW IF IT NEEDS TO COME TO YOU AFTER THE PLANS OR IF WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF GETTING THE PLANS TOGETHER, GETTING IT OUT TO BID AND THEN COMING BACK AND HAVING AN ACTUAL PRICE AND AWARD.

I MEAN, YOU'RE THE OUTSIDE AREA HERE WITH THE GLASSES, WITH THE GLASS WALLS YOU NEED TO TIE IN.

AC. I WOULDN'T WANT TO BE IN THAT GLASS BOX IN SEPTEMBER.

CORRECT. SO YEAH, THERE'S, I MEAN, DEPENDING ON WHAT'S DESIGNED AND WHAT'S REQUIRED AND NEEDED, YOU KNOW, THIS COULD BECOME COSTLY, BUT I'M ALL FOR IF IF OUR SECURITY EXPERTS ARE TELLING US THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO SERIOUSLY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION, THEN I'M HAPPY TO SERIOUSLY TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION.

MADAM MAYOR, MR. YOUNG, I JUST HAVING BEEN HERE WHEN THEY STARTED THIS IN 19.

AND THEN I JUST BRIEFLY TALKED TO CHAD ABOUT IT.

I JUST WANT TO. SO NOBODY KNOWS I'M SAYING THIS, BUT I WANT TO GO BACK THREE SLIDES, DAVID, FROM WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. AND I JUST WANT TO THANK.

I'M NOT A SECURITY EXPERT, BUT I'D LIKE TO ANSWER.

SO ONE MORE QUESTION. YEAH. RIGHT HERE. SO IF WE DETERMINE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY CHECKING TO GO IN THE MAIN CITY HALL, AND THEN EVERY TIME WE HAVE A LEGISLATIVE MEETING, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SECURITY THERE. AND THIS DEPICTS, IF I UNDERSTAND THE BLUE, CHAD SAYS THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL DESIGN WHEN THEY DID IT IN 19 OVER HERE BY COUNCIL.

BUT THEN THEY ALSO ENCLOSED THIS HERE. IT WOULD JUST SEEM TO ME IF I COME OFF THE SAME PILLAR TO THE CENTER OF THE COUNCIL AND ONLY ONE DOOR.

I CAN ENCLOSE THAT ENTIRE COURTYARD, HAVE ONE SECURITY THAT SERVES BOTH FUNCTIONS AND KEEPS THEM OUT OF IT.

AND INSTEAD OF DOING IT IN PHASES WHERE WE BLOCK OFF ROOMS, IF I'VE ALREADY GOT SECURITY BEFORE IT ENTERS THE BUILDING.

I'VE ALREADY GOT THEM SECURE FROM THAT STANDPOINT.

AND WHY SPEND THE MONEY TWICE? SO THE QUESTION I HAVE THIS IS, I MEAN, THIS IS JUST ME ASKING THE QUESTION, NOT SAYING WE SHOULDN'T STILL PRICE THAT IN THE DESIGN.

BUT IF WE BELIEVE AND BACK WHEN THIS WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED, WE HADN'T EVEN PUT IN ANY SECURITY YET.

I THINK GETTING IT DESIGNED TO BE IN AN L THAT COVERS THAT STILL LEAVES PLENTY OF COURTYARD IN THE PLAZA, BUT HAVING THE BOTH DOORS WITH ONE STREAM OF SECURITY IS GOING TO BE MUCH MORE COST EFFECTIVE THAN PAYING TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE, ONE FOR LEGISLATIVE, ONE FOR THE MAIN CITY HALL, AND INSTEAD JUST MAKE THAT L COME STRAIGHT OFF OF IT.

AND NOW WE'VE INTRODUCED SECURITY FOR BOTH, BOTH BUILDINGS, BOTH PIECES.

AND WE DID IT IN ONE SWOOP. SO I WOULD ARGUE WE SHOULD DO THAT.

AND AT THE SAME TIME, BECAUSE THAT BECOMES PART OF THE ENCLOSED, IS TO LOOK AT THIS CORRIDOR THAT WE WALK BACK SOMETIMES BECAUSE WE HAVE DAVID RUNNING WIRES ALL THE WAY UPSTAIRS. AND CAN WE PUT THAT UNDER ROOF IN THAT CENTER AREA AND HAVE HIM RUNNING THOSE MEETINGS FROM HERE, AS OPPOSED TO PIPING ALL OF THIS UPSTAIRS OR TAKING THE BACK ROOM.

SO FOR ME, I DON'T WANT TO LOOK AT IT AS SIMPLISTIC AS CAN I BLOCK OFF THREE DOORS AND MAKE IT MORE SECURE? IF WE BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD SECURE THE BUILDING, THEN LET'S THINK OF THAT AS A PLAZA AND THINK ABOUT THIS CORRIDOR.

AND CAN WE GAIN EXTRA FOOTAGE FOR THE OVERALL FACILITY?

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IT MAY HAVE MORE FRONT END COSTS, BUT IT WILL BE MORE EFFECTIVE THAN HAVING TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS TO SECURE.

AND JUST TO POINT THIS OUT, IF YOU LOOK HERE, THIS IS THIS WALL HERE WOULD REALLY SHIFT OVER AND IT WOULD BLOCK THIS.

SO IT WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE THIS WHOLE AREA CONNECTED.

SO PEOPLE WOULD COME INTO A CHECKPOINT, EITHER GO TO CITY HALL OR THEY WOULD WALK THIS WAY TO ENTER INTO THIS BUILDING FOR A COUNCIL MEETING OR BOARD MEETING. IT SEEMS LOGICAL TO ME. 100%. THANK YOU, MR. KRAMER. BRILLIANT. AND GOSH, I FEEL LIKE I'M GLAD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MOVING DAVID BACK HERE.

THERE WAS SOME TALK ABOUT THAT. I'VE BEEN HESITANT TO PROPOSE THAT TO COUNCIL BECAUSE IT'S USED SO MUCH.

BUT I THINK THE CAUGHT BETWEEN THIS BUILDING AND THIS BUILDING WHERE THE SIDEWALK IS, THAT'S JUST PLANTING IN THE BACK.

I THINK IT LEAVES ROOM TO HAVE THAT BETWEEN THE BUILDINGS, IF I COULD.

BECAUSE I THINK THAT IT MAKES THE MOST SENSE OF ANYTHING IS HE SHOULD BE RIGHT THERE.

AND THIS. YEAH. AND IF WE CAN. BUT I STILL WOULD THINK THIS IS DEAD SPACE.

WHETHER THAT. OH, RIGHT. RIGHT. EITHER WAY, LET US.

YEAH, YEAH, YEAH, I AGREE WITH THAT 100%. AND WHILE YOU'RE DOING IT, LET'S JUST GET IT ALL DONE.

YEAH. I AGREE WITH MOVING DAVID DOWN FOR SURE.

YEAH. I'M NOT CONCERNED ABOUT PEOPLE WANDERING AROUND.

IF YOU HAVE THIS SECURITY AREA AND NEEDING TO GET VISITOR STICKERS, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COME IN REALLY MAINLY TO GO PAY THEIR WATER BILL AND GET THEIR BEACH STICKERS OR TO THE COUNTY OFFICE.

I TAKING THAT GLASS I'M ASSUMING AGAIN THAT IT WOULD BE WHERE THAT BLUE LINE IS ON THE DRAWINGS THAT IT'S RIGHT THERE WHERE THOSE CHAIRS ARE, OR SO IT WOULD ENCOMPASS THE THE DESK THAT'S THERE ALL THE WAY TO JUST THE END OF THE STAIRWELL, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE ALLOW THEM TO GO UP TO THE TO THE DESK.

YEAH. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS PICTURE, JUST SO I CAN TRY TO.

SO THIS WOULD BE THE DESK. SO YOU WOULD COME IN THROUGH THE SCREENING, YOU'D COME TO THE INFORMATION DESK, AND THEN THEY WOULD GIVE YOU THE GREEN LIGHT, OR YOU WOULD HAVE SOMEBODY COME DOWN, WHICHEVER DEPARTMENT AND THEN LET THE IF YOU HAVE A MEETING WITH THE PERSON, THEN THEY WOULD GO INTO THOSE AREAS.

SO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE GLASS, ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS OR ARE YOU JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT GLASS WOULD BE RIGHT THERE AT THAT BLUE LINE. SO IT WOULD CUT OFF RIGHT THERE AT THE INFORMATION BOOTH TO THE RIGHT, AND THEN IT WOULD BE OPEN SO THAT THEY COULD GO TO THE DESK FOR.

BEACH PARKING OR FOR. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. AND THEN SOMEHOW THEY WOULD EASILY GET, I GUESS, CHECK IN AND THEN YOU COULD LET THEM THROUGH A DOOR TO GO TO THE. ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT OR UPSTAIRS.

YES. I WOULD THINK THIS. AND AGAIN THESE ARE NOT WALLS IS MORE OR LESS TO, TO SHOW YOU WHERE THE GREEN IS WHERE THE PUBLIC WOULD ACCESS FROM.

SO IF WE DIDN'T WANT TO PUT ANYTHING HERE AND THIS WAS OPEN, THIS IS OPEN.

THEY CAME THROUGH THE SCREENING, WALKED TO THE INFORMATION DESK, AND THEY SAID, HEY, I'M, I WANT TO GO TO THE TAX COLLECTOR'S OFFICE. AND THEY WOULD WALK AROUND THE CORNER HERE AND THEY WOULD GO TO TAX COLLECTOR'S OFFICE.

IF THEY SAID, I'M HERE TO MEET WITH THE CITY CLERK, THEN THEY WOULD WALK AROUND HERE.

YOU'D HAVE A CITY CLERK, WHOEVER THEY'RE MEETING WITH WOULD MEET THEM AT THIS DOOR POINT AND LET THEM IN TO THE ACCESS POINT INTO CITY CLERK'S OFFICE.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE WORRIED. I'M SORRY ABOUT SECURITY.

THEN ONCE THEY'RE SCREENED, I WOULD THINK THAT WE HAVE A SAFETY ISSUE TAKEN CARE OF.

AND, I MEAN, I'M HERE EVERY DAY. I DON'T SEE PEOPLE WANDERING AROUND GOING.

NOT SURE WHERE TO GO. BLOCKING THEM OFF TO ALL THESE DOORS.

WHEN THE DOORS ARE ALREADY LOCKED, JUST IT JUST, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK IT'S AN EXPENSIVE.

IN FAIRNESS, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT PHASING IT IN.

AND IF WE DIDN'T HAVE SECURITY OVER THE ENTIRE FACILITY AND GRADUALLY GETTING THERE, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO THIS ROUTE.

THE ONLY OTHER THING MAYOR, I WOULD ACTUALLY CONTEND THAT IT WOULDN'T BE A NEW POSITION. IT WOULD BE PIVOTING THE ONE THAT'S OVER HERE WITH THE BEACH PARKING AND HAVE IT HAVE A DUAL PURPOSE. AND BECAUSE NOW IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU'RE ALREADY SHE'S ALREADY GETTING APPROACHED NOW BECAUSE IT COMES FROM TWO DIRECTIONS.

IT'S CONTROLLED. IT'S RIGHT IN FRONT. IT'S A WELCOMING AND IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S NECESSARILY GOING TO BE A SECOND ADMINISTRATIVE POSITION OR A NEW ONE IN THE LOBBY.

SO I THINK THERE'S OPPORTUNITY THERE FOR THAT TO BE HANDLED CORRECTLY.

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THAT GREEN WAS GREEN WAS JUST TO SHOW THE PATH THAT GO AROUND.

SO IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THAT, MY LAST QUESTION ON THIS IS THE THE GLASS AREA.

GREAT. I LIKE THE SCREENING TO BE ENCLOSED, BUT IS THERE, IS THERE A NEED TO HAVE THESE DOORS AND THOSE DOORS? OR WOULD IT BECOME ONE LARGER ROOM THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR MORE SEATING? I THINK YOU WOULD NEED TO HAVE IT BE JUST FROM SOUND PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE COMING THROUGH THOSE DOORS.

YOU WOULDN'T WANT IT WIDE OPEN. NO MATTER WHAT.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SOUND ELEMENT THAT HAVING THE DOORS JUST NOT EXIST AND IT'S ALL CONTAINED IN ONE.

I THINK IT WOULD BE LOUD, BUT IF WE GO WITH WHAT YOU JUST SUGGESTED, I MEAN, AGAIN, THESE ARE TRYING TO VISUALIZE IT, THEN THAT SCREENING WOULD BE TO THE RIGHT OF THOSE COLUMNS JUST OUTSIDE HERE SO WE WOULDN'T HEAR ANYTHING.

BUT THEN WHAT WOULD BE THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THAT GLASS ENCLOSED AREA? EXCEPT FOR YOU NEED TO INCORPORATE IT. YEAH. SO UNDERSTANDING.

SO SHE'S TALKING ABOUT SO WE PUT THE SCREENING IN THIS AREA AND THEY'RE SCREENING AND THEY'RE SENDING THEM EITHER INTO HERE OR SENDING THEM AROUND THE CORNER TO COME INTO THE COUNCIL CHAMBER. WHAT WOULD BE THE PURPOSE OF THIS AREA AND COULD WE EXPAND THE SEATING IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? I DON'T I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT AN OPTION TO HAVE A POTENTIAL OVERFLOW, BUT I THINK WHAT YOU LOSE AT THIS POINT IS THE POTENTIAL.

IF CITY HALL IS CLOSED AND YOU HAVE A MEETING, OBVIOUSLY, AGAIN, WE WOULD STILL HAVE THE PERSON THAT COULD BE HERE, RIGHT? SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS IT WAS IT WAS EXACTLY WHAT GARY SAID THOUGH, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE DESIGN.

IS THAT THE THOUGHT IS, IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE GOING THROUGH A METAL DETECTOR.

THERE'S GOING TO BE CONVERSATIONS BEING HAD AS THEY COME THROUGH, AND IT WAS JUST A SOUND ELEMENT TO KEEP THIS WALL HERE AND THEN ADD THE ADD THE OTHER ONE.

BUT HIS, HIS TAKES IT TO A DIFFERENT DIMENSION.

IF WE TAKE IT TO THAT LEVEL, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE IT EXPLORED AS A HOW, HOW EASY IS IT TO GET AIR IN IT? RIGHT? THAT'S THE FIRST THING. AND THEN ALSO WHETHER OR NOT IT CREATES A COURTYARD WHERE THE SECURITY IS.

THAT WOULD. AND BECAUSE I ALWAYS ASSUMED. IT'S HARD TO SAY BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE CURSOR.

BUT WHERE THE BLUE LINE IS, IF WE CONNECTED THAT THAT WALL, I MAY NOT PAY FOR A WHOLE NOTHER WALL.

SO THAT WOULD BE CONNECTED THROUGH AND AIRED THROUGH THE LOBBY AREA.

IT MAY STILL BE OPEN TO IT. SO I'M JUST SAYING THAT FREE FLOW, UNTIL WE KNEW THAT IT'S NOT GUARANTEED THAT THAT IS EXTRA SPACE.

THAT'S ALL I WAS ALLUDING TO. THAT MAKES SENSE. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF ENGINEERING THAT STILL NEEDS TO HAPPEN BECAUSE I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT ROOF ISN'T CONNECTED TO THIS BUILDING OR THAT BUILDING. SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE WERE RENDERINGS JUST SHOWING, I THINK, POSSIBILITIES.

SO. WHO IS NEXT? I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WHAT I THINK YOU SAID THE PREVIOUS SLIDE. SO IF WE HAVE THE ENHANCED SECURITY COMING IN FROM THIS SIDE AND WE'VE CLOSED THE OTHER SIDE TO THE PUBLIC. SO BY THE TIME THEY COME IN THE FRONT DOOR, THEY'VE GONE THROUGH SECURITY, THEY'VE GONE TO THE INFORMATION DESK. THEN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, DO WE NEED ALL THESE EXTRA RED DOORS? BECAUSE THAT'S LIKE A THIRD LEVEL OF SECURITY.

EXACTLY. SO IF WE DON'T DO THOSE, THAT MAKES IT MORE COST EFFECTIVE AND JUST MORE OF AN OPEN FEEL TO THE BUILDING AND THE PEOPLE'S IMPRESSION OF THE CITY, AND IT'S ALREADY SAFE BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN SCREENED BEFORE THEY CAME IN THE FRONT DOOR.

IS THAT RIGHT? OKAY. IF I MAY, SIR, THE REASON WE SUGGESTED THIS, AND AGAIN, IT'S IT'S KIND OF A MENU ITEM.

YOU CAN CHOOSE SOME AND NOT TO USE OTHERS OR IMPLEMENT SOME NOW AND OTHERS LATER AND EVEN TAKE THEM BACK.

THE WHOLE ISSUE OF SECURITY OF CITY HALL WAS CONTROLLING THE ACCESS.

AND AS THE MAYOR POINTED OUT, WE PUT THE DOORS IN THE INDIVIDUAL OFFICES.

BUT THE HALLWAYS ARE CONSIDERED WORKSPACES TOO.

AND ONCE SOMEBODY IS IN THAT WORKSPACE, EVEN IF THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN SCREENED, I THINK WE'VE ALL BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH.

WE'VE RUN INTO PEOPLE IN THE HALLWAYS THAT THE POLICE HAVE ENDED UP BEING CALLED FOR, BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW WHY THEY WERE THERE OR WHAT THEY WERE DOING, AND THEY WEREN'T THE MOST SAVORY OF CHARACTERS, EVEN IF THEY HAD BEEN SCREENED.

WE STILL HAVE TO LET THEM IN. IT'S A IT'S IT'S A PUBLIC BUILDING.

THE IDEA OF SECURING IT LIKE THIS WITH GLASS DOORS OR WITH SOLID DOORS IS KEEPING IT.

SO IF YOU'RE COMING TO PAY YOUR TAX BILL, YOU CAN GO AND PAY YOUR TAX BILL.

IF YOU'RE COMING TO GET A BEACH PERMIT, YOU COULD DO THAT.

BUT YOU'RE NOT COMING IN AND WANDERING THE HALLS.

YOU'RE NOT GOING THROUGH THE YOU BETWEEN THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT AND THE CLERK'S OFFICE, IT'S JUST CONTROLLING THE ACCESS. AND IT'S. AND IT IS UP TO YOU ALL TO DECIDE HOW MUCH CONTROL YOU WANT US TO IMPOSE OR YOU WANT TO IMPOSE FOR US, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO IT, BUT WE JUST THOUGHT WE WOULD BRING YOU WHAT'S WHAT'S A STANDARD PRACTICE? I SOME OF US AT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT GO TO OTHER CITIES AND OTHER AGENCIES AND CONDUCT ASSESSMENTS FOR THEIR SECURITY AND LEARN WHAT THEY USE AS BEST PRACTICES.

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IT IS VERY OPEN. IT IS VERY FRIENDLY. UNFORTUNATELY, THE CITY OF NAPLES HAS FANTASTIC OPEN ACCESS.

IT IS VERY OPEN. IT IS VERY FRIENDLY. YEAH. IT'S ABOUT FINDING THE RIGHT BALANCE, YOU KNOW, FEELING OPEN AND ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. YES, SIR.

BUT ALSO SAFE FOR THE PUBLIC AND THE PEOPLE WHO WORK HERE.

YEAH. AND I THINK IT'S AGAIN, GOING BACK, YOU CAN LOOK AT IT TWO DIFFERENT WAYS.

YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AS WE'RE PREVENTING THEM FROM ACCESSING THESE AREAS.

OR WE'RE, WE'RE PROVIDING AN OPPORTUNITY TO ENHANCE OUR CUSTOMER SERVICE BY HELPING TO ESCORT THEM TO THE RIGHT LOCATION BECAUSE THEY DO GO INTO THESE AREAS. AND IF SOMEBODY SAYS, YEAH, NO PROBLEM, GO AHEAD, GO ON IN TO THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE AND I WALK.

I'M LIKE, OH, WHERE AM I SUPPOSED TO GO? AM I SUPPOSED TO GO UPSTAIRS OR WHAT NOT? AND THAT THAT'S I KNOW WHERE THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE IS, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN EVERYBODY ELSE KNOWS WHERE IT'S AT.

SO WE'VE GOT BIG OLD SIGNS, LIKE AN AIRPORT. I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A LOT OF SIGNS THAT PEOPLE DON'T NECESSARILY READ.

SO WALK IN THERE SECURE AND SAY, OKAY, GO TAKE THAT HALLWAY TO THE RIGHT AND RING THE DOORBELL.

YEAH. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. OH, ARE YOU COMPLETE? BARTON. QUICK QUESTION, FOLLOW UP ON THE COMMENT YOU MADE A SECOND AGO, WHICH I UNDERSTAND IS ACCURATE, AND THAT IS THAT THIS IS A PUBLIC BUILDING. PEOPLE HAVE PUBLIC ACCESS TO A PUBLIC BUILDING. THE SCREENING PROCESS.

ARE WE ALLOWED TO REQUIRE I.D. AT THAT SCREENING PROCESS BEFORE WE LET BEFORE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BE PUBLICLY ADMITTED INTO OUR PUBLIC BUILDING.

WE, AS THE POLICE DEPARTMENT CANNOT REQUIRE ID.

I DON'T KNOW THAT THE CITY CAN REQUIRE IT. THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO IS WE CAN COMPEL THEM IF THEY WANT TO ENTER A BUILDING WHERE GOVERNING BODY IS MEETING, THEY HAVE TO SUBJECT THEMSELVES TO OUR SECURITY SCREENING PROCEDURES.

AS FAR AS COMPELLING THEM TO ID THEMSELVES, I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO THAT ABSENT PROBABLE CAUSE OF A CRIME.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS. THAT'S WHAT I HAD. THANK YOU.

THAT WAS HELPFUL INFORMATION. MADAM MAYOR, I WOULD JUST ADD ONE OTHER ELEMENT TO THIS.

JUST SO EVERYONE'S AWARE. WE DO EVEN EVEN THOUGH I ANTICIPATE THE COST OF THE ROUNDABOUT TO COME OUT OF THE $0.01 SALES TAX, I STILL BELIEVE WE HAVE ABOUT 1.3 MILLION AFTER THAT.

THAT WILL BE THAT IS ALLOWABLE FOR THE HARDENING OF GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS, INCLUDING SECURITY.

SO I THINK THAT THAT IS ONE PLACE THAT I WOULD LOOK FOR THE POTENTIAL FUNDING OF THIS.

AND THAT'S WHY I LIKE THE IDEA OF STARTING THAT PART OF IT SOONER THAN LATER AND WAITING UNTIL SOME OTHER TIME TO ACCOMPLISH IT, OR PAY FOR IT TWICE. LET'S MAKE THE DECISION, DESIGN IT AND DO IT SO.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA IN THIS DAY AND AGE TO HAVE CONTROLLED ACCESS TO A GOVERNMENT BUILDING.

YOU KNOW WHERE YOU GO IN, YOU HAVE A DESK LIKE THAT AND A SIGN IN.

IT'S LEGALLY THAT THEY COULD SIGN IN, JUST LIKE YOU WALK INTO ANY CONDOMINIUM LOBBY.

YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE CONTROLLED ACCESS. SIGN IN.

YOU ARE. WHERE ARE YOU GOING? TIME. YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT COULD BE A STARTING POINT FOR US, AT LEAST TO CONTROL THE FRONT ACCESS AND LOCK THE BACK.

THEN WE COULD DEBATE ABOUT WHETHER YOU WANT TO DO THOSE GLASS DOORS OR WHATEVER. BUDGET WISE. OKAY.

NO FURTHER COMMENTS. MR. YOUNG, DO YOU HAVE YOUR.

YEAH, I THINK JUST CONSENSUS. WE AGREE THAT SEEMS LIKE IT, THAT WE NEED TO PROTECT IT.

WE ALREADY ARE. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, LET'S DO THE WHOLE THE WHOLE FACILITY.

AND FROM THAT STANDPOINT, I THINK WE GET TOGETHER ON THE DESIGN AND SHOW THE THE.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO IT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A CONTRACT TO HIRE A DESIGNER.

SO WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO YOU AND GET THAT STARTED SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.

SO THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT. MAYOR, IF I MAY. YES.

KRAMER, CAN WE ADD MOVING DAVID DOWN HERE TO THAT WHOLE DESIGN PROCESS SO THAT WE.

YEAH. WELL, WE CAN MOVE DAVID TOMORROW. IF THIS COUNCIL AGREED, DAVID SHOULD MOVE HERE TOMORROW.

AND YOU WANT TO HAVE LUNCHES UPSTAIRS OR ANY BOARDS HAVE LUNCHES UPSTAIRS.

THAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED. AND SO I WOULD, I WOULD ASK THIS COUNCIL, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE WILLING TO, TO GIVE UP THAT SPACE AND HAVE IT AS A PERPETUAL THING, I CAN, I CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

AND, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEXT 30, 60 DAYS AND WE'LL STILL KEEP THE RESTROOMS, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. THE RESTROOMS. YES. AND. AND THE OTHER PART OF IT, TOO.

IT'D PROBABLY BE THE BEST TIME TO DO IS ACTUALLY, YOU ONLY HAVE 90 MORE DAYS OF MEETINGS.

AND THEN WHEN WE WOULD DO IT OVER THE SUMMER BREAK. BUT IF DAVID TOLD ME HE COULD HANDLE IT, DO IT OVER A WEEKEND, I'D DO THAT AS WELL. BUT IF NOT, WE WOULD DO IT OVER THE BREAK.

I'LL JUST SAY THIS, BUT THAT'S IF YOU WANT. YEAH.

I LIKE YOUR IDEA OF AT LEAST EXPLORING PUTTING ANOTHER OFFICE.

BECAUSE HERDING CATS JUST TO GET TO AN EXECUTIVE SESSION UPSTAIRS AND DOWNSTAIRS.

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YOU'RE JUST BACK HERE AND I CAN'T GET EVERYBODY UP.

I'M JUST FOR EFFICIENCY REASONS. I'D LIKE TO KNOW BOTH.

WE CAN HAVE THE DESIGN TO DO THAT AND THEN GO FROM THERE.

MA'AM. YEAH YOU DO. AND UNFORTUNATELY, BECAUSE YOU GET DISTRACTED BY SOMEBODY THAT WANTS TO CHAT WITH YOU AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE LATE STARTING A SESSION.

SO. WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT I WOULD MAKE THE COMMITMENT TO NOT PREVENT THAT FROM MOVING.

DAVID, TO BE MORE EFFICIENT HERE, AND I'M SURE MY COLLEAGUES WOULD ALL COMMIT TO SAY, HEY, WE CAN BE DISCIPLINED ENOUGH TO GET HERE BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T LIKE DEALING WITH THE LEAST COMMON DENOMINATOR AND PUNISHING THE 98%.

I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT IN REVERSE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT EVEN MADE SENSE, WHAT I JUST SAID, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD EXPLORE MOVING DAVID HERE. I THINK THAT MAKES A TON OF SENSE.

HAVING BEEN ON THE PRODUCTION SIDE OF STUFF LIKE THAT, I THINK WHAT WE DO IS GOOFY, QUITE HONESTLY.

YEAH. AND AGAIN, IF THERE'S CONSENSUS THAT FOR ME TO DO IT TO ME, OTHERWISE I WOULD JUST INCORPORATE IT INTO WHATEVER THAT IS.

SO IT'S, YOU'RE GIVING UP YOUR SPACE THAT YOU HAVE.

SO I KNOW THAT SAYS CITY MANAGER, YOU KNOW, CONTROLS THE CITY BUILDING, BUT IT'S YOUR SPACE AS YOU, YOU KNOW, TAKE BREAKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I WOULD DEFER TO A CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL TO MOVE IT ANY TIME BEFORE WE FINISH THE DESIGN.

YEAH, I THINK YOU BETTER THINK ABOUT THAT. WELL, I'M OKAY WITH WITH GOING FORWARD WITH.

I DON'T KNOW IF EVERYBODY ELSE IS, BUT I'M OKAY WITH IT.

LET'S TAKE CONSENSUS. TAKE A VOTE. I'M OPEN TO IT IN THE BACK.

GIVING DAVID ACCESS IF IT'S MORE EFFICIENT FOR HIM AND ALL THAT.

I MEAN, I'LL FORGO. I'LL RUN UPSTAIRS. BARTON.

SO HAVE YOU ALREADY HAVE YOU ALREADY GOTTEN A CONSENSUS ON PROCEEDING WITH GETTING DESIGNS AND COSTS? WELL, THAT WAS THE QUESTION. I SUGGESTED THAT WE AT LEAST GET THE COST OF WHAT IT WOULD BE TO DO AN OUTSIDE AREA.

YOU KNOW, CONVERTING AN AREA OUTSIDE FOR PRODUCTION.

AND ALSO THERE WAS KRAMER WANTS TO DO IT RIGHT AWAY.

SO IF YOU, IF WE CAN'T REALLY DO BOTH. SO IF YOU WANT TO WAIT AND MAKE THE DECISION OF WHETHER IT, YOU KNOW, WE BIFURCATE IT AND SAY, OKAY, DO I HAVE CONSENSUS FOR ME TO DO THE DESIGN AND MOVE FORWARD, INCLUDING SPACE FOR THAT? IF IF YES. DO I HAVE CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE SECURITY PROFILES AND THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT? YES, YES. OKAY. NOW THIS QUESTION IS, IS DO YOU WANT IT TO MOVE SOONER IMMEDIATELY THERE.

I THINK THAT WAS A SEPARATE ISSUE. YEAH. SO MY I GIVE YOU YES, YOU HAVE MY CONSENSUS ON DESIGN AND GETTING COSTS.

I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO RUSH THE DECISION TO MAKE ANY CHANGES PRIOR TO MAKING A DECISION AS TO WHETHER WE'RE CHANGING OR MOVING FORWARD. SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE DAVID DOWN HERE AND NOT GO FORWARD WITH BUILDING SOMETHING ELSE, THAT'S FINE. WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION AFTER WE MAKE A DECISION THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO BUILD SOMETHING ELSE. SO LET'S LET'S FOCUS ON LOOKING AT SEEING, THE DESIGN AND THE COST OF BUILDING SOMETHING ELSE, AND THE SECURITY CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED HERE TODAY AS WELL.

SAY THAT AGAIN. THAT WAS MORE COMPLICATED. I WAS A LONG WAY AROUND SAYING A LONG WAY AROUND TO SAYING YES.

LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE DESIGNS AND COST. LET'S NOT MAKE ANY OTHER DECISIONS RIGHT NOW. I KNOW THAT DAVID NOW IS WHAT HE'S.

YEAH, YEAH. WELL, YOU KNOW, MOVE THE GUY. JUST MOVE THE GUY.

WELL, IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. AND I DON'T WANT TO BE SHALLOW, BUT THERE'S A WHOLE.

I MEAN, IT'S NOT UNDER MY WATCH, BUT THERE IS ALSO THAT CONVERSATION OF OF THIS SPACE AND HOW THIS SPACE FUNCTIONS.

BUT THAT'S NOT UNDER MY WATCH. WE DON'T AND REDOING THIS COUNCIL CHAMBERS SO THAT IT'S MORE FUNCTIONAL, BUT JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND. YES. I'D LIKE TO LOOK AT THE OPTIONS LIKE YOU SUGGESTED OF A SEPARATE ROOM OR THIS ROOM.

I MEAN, WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT USE THIS BACK ROOM.

LIKE THIS MORNING. CITY STAFF WAS BACK THERE WHILE WE WERE DOING SOMETHING ELSE.

THEY WERE GETTING READY FOR THEIR TIME. THEIR TOPIC.

BUT THEY WERE ABLE TO MEET AND TALK AND DO OTHER WORK.

SO IT DOES GET OTHER USE. I'D HATE TO SEE US LOSE THAT.

AND THEN I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY GO WHILE THEY'RE WAITING FOR THEIR TURN.

I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE ANALYZED WITH THAT THOUGHT IN MIND.

SO CAN I JUST NOT TO CREATE MORE COMPLICATED.

OH COME ON SITUATION. SO TALKING WITH DAVID, HE DOESN'T NEED THE FULL AMOUNT OF SPACE BACK THERE SO HE COULD UTILIZE.

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SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS SPACE, IF YOU CAME IN AND YOU HAD THE HALLWAY THAT'S HERE, AS LONG AS YOU MAINTAIN THAT DOOR, YOU COULD COME IN AND BOX THIS AREA HERE OUT, LEAVING THE REST OF THIS HERE FOR USAGE, AND YOU WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE DAVID IN THAT SPACE AS WELL.

THAT'S JUST AN OPTION AGAIN. FOOD FOR THOUGHT BECAUSE HE DOESN'T NEED THE FULL AMOUNT OF SPACE.

AND IT IS IN FACT YOUR SPACE. Y'ALL CAN LOOK AT THE OPTIONS AND COME BACK.

YEAH, I THINK YOU SHOULD LOOK AT THE OPTIONS AND COME BACK BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE HIM RIGHT AWAY. WE STILL HAVE MEETINGS UNTIL JUNE.

I MEAN THAT WE CAN DO THAT. OKAY. AND THEN BRING YOU ALTERNATIVES BEFORE YOU BREAK AND KNOW WHAT YOU'RE COMING BACK TO.

IT'S A BETTER OPTION. THANK YOU. WE'RE STILL SCHULTZ.

YEAH. A BUDGET NOT TO EXCEED A CERTAIN LEVEL.

I HAVE NO IDEA HOW TO BUDGET THAT. BUT YOU CAN GO BACK WITH PLANS.

AND A BUDGET WOULD BE A GREAT COST. APPROXIMATELY I THINK IS EXCELLENT.

THAT'S. YEAH. AND I THINK THE COST TO TO MOVE HIM ALSO WOULD BE MINIMAL.

AND FROM A NOT TO EXCEED PERSPECTIVE, THE DESIGN THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR ALL THE SECURITY.

IT'LL COME BACK TO YOU BECAUSE I KNOW IT'LL EXCEED 50,000.

SO IT'S COMING BACK TO YOU EVEN CONCEPTUALLY.

IT'LL COME BACK TO YOU. I'LL GO WITH THAT. WE'RE GOOD.

ARE YOU CLEAR ON THAT DIRECTION, MR. YOUNG? I BELIEVE I AM, CRYSTAL.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES ITEM SIX C. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM SIX D PRIORITIES FOR

[6.D) Discussion and Direction on City Council Priorities.]

SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I PUT IT BEFORE THIS BODY AND SAY, ARE THESE STILL THE PRIORITIES? IS THERE MORE YOU WANT TO ADD? CONSIDER. PRIORITIZE YOUR PRIORITIES.

NOW, I WILL SAY THAT REMEMBER WHEN WE HAD THIS DISCUSSION FOR FOR THE BENEFIT OF PRIOR MEMBERS, THERE'S STILL ANOTHER ONGOING NUMBER OF PROJECTS THAT ARE ONGOING AND WE'VE BIFURCATED THIS AND PUT THEM INTO A SEPARATE TAB THAT THERE ARE THOSE THINGS, THE PIER, THE OUTFALL, THESE THINGS ARE CONTINUING.

SO WHAT I TRIED TO DO HERE IS THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING UP ON THE AGENDA A LOT, PROVIDING YOU AN OPPORTUNITY.

YOU CAN SEE WHEN WE PLANNED ON BRINGING THEM, BUT ALSO YOU TELLING ME, NO, THAT'S NOT FAST ENOUGH.

THESE ARE OUR PRIORITIES AS THE COUNCIL OR DID I HIT ALL THE BUTTONS? SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. AND SO, I WOULD ONLY ARGUE WE TRIED TO ARRANGE IT IN SUCH A WAY AS I THINK IF THEY ENVELOPE MULTIPLE AREAS, WE KIND OF PUT THEM TOGETHER.

AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS FOR THOSE WHO ARE ON COUNCIL AND SOME WHO WERE RUNNING FOR OFFICE, YOU RECALL THAT WE DID THE RULES AND PROCEDURES AND THERE WAS A NUMBER OF CHANGES MADE, BUT AT THE TIME THERE WERE SUGGESTIONS FOR DRB PROCESS TO CHANGE, MAYBE ONE DRB MEETING INSTEAD OF TWO. WE. SO THAT WAS DISCUSSED TO COME BACK TO, TO COUNCIL AT A WORKSHOP AND DISCUSS WHAT THIS BODY'S INTENT IS TO DO WITH DRB. SO THAT'S KIND OF THE FIRST ONE.

TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. ANOTHER ONE WOULD BE IF YOU LOOK AT ITEMS NINE AND TEN, YOU HAVE REVIEW PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND REGULATIONS AND ALL THE ZONING DISTRICTS.

BUT THEN WE WANT TO HAVE CONTINUED DISCUSSION DIRECTION ON PAID PARKING DOWNTOWN.

THOSE TWO SOMEWHAT OVERLAP EACH OTHER. AND SO IN SOME AREAS WHERE WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE PAID PARKING.

SO I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO REVISIT THOSE TWO SECTIONS AT THE SAME TIME AT THE SAME WORKSHOP.

SO WITH THAT SAID, I, AND I DIDN'T PICK THOSE THREE OUT FOR ANY OTHER REASON.

JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, WHY COMPARTMENTALIZE THEM THE WAY I DID? BUT IT DOES. IT DOES START WITH ALL THE PLANNING ITEMS, A NUMBER OF OTHER ISSUES.

SO I GUESS I'M JUST OPENING IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.

DID I HIT THE ONES THAT YOU BELIEVE ARE IMPORTANT? I DIDN'T, AND THEN YOU I'LL BE QUIET AND LET YOU HAVE YOUR FREE WILL AS TO WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES ARE FOR ME.

SO. AND STAFF. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES. JUST FOR THE RECORD, THESE ARE IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER.

IS THAT CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. THANK YOU. SO COUNCIL THE DRB PROCESS

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YES. WITH THE DRB PROCESS AND HOW. THE DRB WAS ESTABLISHED AND WHEN IT WAS ESTABLISHED, THE SITE PLAN PROCESS CHANGED. AND NUMEROUS THINGS CHANGED DURING THAT PROCESS THAT WE REALLY NEED TO EVALUATE AND SEE HOW THEY'RE AFFECTING. AND I THINK IN PERMITTING ALSO ALSO THE SECOND PIECE TO THAT, WHICH WE DON'T NEED TO GET INTO THE DETAILS, I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE THOSE THAT ARE DON'T HAVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON THIS WITH DRB IS THAT DRB HAS A RESOLUTION THAT THEY SIGN OFF ON FOR FIRST HEARING READING AND FOR FINAL AND THEY DO NOT THE PROJECT DOES NOT GET A, BUILDING PERMIT UNLESS IT'S SIGNED OFF BY THE DRB.

THERE'S DETAILS ON HOW THAT PROCESS ENDED UP HAPPENING.

I DON'T THINK ANYONE INTENDED IT TO BE THAT WAY, BUT THAT SITE PLAN PROCESS WITH DEVIATIONS HAD SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES WHEN THAT WENT AWAY.

SO I AGREE. MR. YOUNG I'M JUST KIND OF PIGGYBACKING ON WHAT YOU SAID WITH NUMBER TWO THE OVERLAY DISTRICT. I MEAN, THAT NINE AND TEN WOULD GO IN CONJUNCTION, BUT IT ALSO HAS TO DO WITH NUMBER TWO.

IF YOU HAVE AN OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT IS GIVING INCENTIVES FOR DEVELOPMENT AND WE ARE DEVELOPING, WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT INCENTIVES DO WE NEED TO CONTINUE OR NOT CONTINUE OR GIVE IN ORDER TO CREATE? REDEVELOPMENT BEING THAT PARKING IS THE BIGGEST INCENTIVE THAT WE GIVE IN IN THESE AREAS.

IF WE START TO PAY FOR PARKING HOW WILL THAT AFFECT REDEVELOPMENT IN THAT AREA? BECAUSE. WE STILL WANT REDEVELOPMENT TO HAPPEN, BUT WE ALSO WANT PEOPLE TO HAVE THE PARKING THAT CAN PROVIDE FOR.

THAT VALET PARKING IS NOT ON HERE, BUT IT TIES IN WITH THAT BECAUSE AS WE NOTICED, OR IF. YOU'VE NOTICED AT LEAST IN THE FIFTH AVENUE, FIFTH AVENUE OVERLAY, THERE ARE TWO PROPERTIES.

ONE WHICH HAS ALREADY GOTTEN APPROVAL FROM DRB FOR A PROJECT THAT IS NOW A PARKING LOT FOR.

VALET AND I THINK THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO THAT I KNOW OF THAT FOURTH AND FOURTH.

WHICH IS SET FOR REDEVELOPMENT. THERE'S TALK ABOUT THAT.

SO THAT VALET WILL GO AWAY. AND THEN ALSO OTHER AREAS THAT COULD POSSIBLY GO AWAY THAT COULD BE REDEVELOPED THAT WE'RE USING FOR VALET.

SO THAT HAS, I THINK NEEDS TO BE TIED INTO THAT.

SO FAR THE LIGHTING THESE ARE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE BOOKS FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS TO DISCUSS THE LIGHTING AND SIGNAGE. IF, IF ERICA WERE HERE AND I HOPE SHE'LL CORRECT ME.

IN PUBLIC IF IT'S NOT CORRECT. BUT SIGNAGE IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES US UNIQUE AND MAKES US SPECIAL.

BY NOT HAVING CLUTTER OF SIGNS AND THE SIZE OF SIGNS REALLY CAN CREATE THE CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITY AS IF YOU GO IN OTHER PLACES, YOU'LL SEE THAT NOT ONLY A PROLIFERATION OF SIGNAGE BUT THE, THE SIZE OF THOSE SIGNAGE ARE VERY IMPORTANT. LIGHTING SHOULDN'T JUST BE LIGHTING WITHIN OUR BUSINESS DISTRICTS, BUT MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT IT WOULD BE WITHIN THE RESIDENTIAL.

RIGHT NOW I HAVE RED, WHITE AND BLUE THAT FLASHES IN MY BACKYARD FROM SOMEBODY NIGHT LIGHTS.

THEIR LANDSCAPING LIGHTS ARE RED, WHITE AND BLUE.

SO I SEE RED, WHITE AND BLUE ALL NIGHT LONG INSTEAD OF DARK SKIES.

YES, PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT. BUT I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS HAD COMPLAINTS ON SIGNS.

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AND THOSE THAT'S ALSO, I THINK FOR OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

I'LL TAKE IT FROM THERE. ON WHO WOULD LIKE TO START OFF ANY DISCUSSIONS ON IT? VICE MAYOR, THANK YOU AND THANKS FOR CLARIFYING SOME OF THOSE ITEMS. A FEW THOUGHTS. SO GARY, I UNDERSTOOD YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT SOME OF THE ONGOING PROJECTS AND I SAW THAT IN THE MEMO, BUT WHEN I WENT OVER THIS LIST WITH A FEW RESIDENTS, THEY SAID, WELL, WHY ISN'T THE PIER ON HERE? YOU KNOW, WHY ISN'T THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ON HERE? SO MAYBE IF WE JUST ADDED THEM AT THE BOTTOM OR A SEPARATE SECTION OR SOMETHING SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW WE HAVEN'T FORGOTTEN THEM? YEAH. WELL, I'LL HAVE IT SENT OUT TO YOU. HERE'S THE REASON I DIDN'T INCLUDE IT IN THIS AGENDA LAST TIME I TRIED THIS.

IN FAIRNESS, MY COUNCIL SAID, WHY ARE ALL THESE ON THERE WHEN WE'RE ALREADY DOING THEM? SO I TOOK I TOOK THEM OFF PURPOSELY SO THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT PRIORITIZING THOSE THINGS THAT ARE NOT ALWAYS UNDERWAY.

BUT I WILL MAKE SURE THAT IN YOUR EMAILS AND WHEN WE PUBLISH THEM, THAT THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT TABS ONGOING.

AND THE OTHER, I JUST, I TRIED NOT TO MUDDY THIS CONVERSATION WITH THOSE, BUT WE HAD THE DOCUMENT.

IT WAS MORE FROM A PUBLIC PERCEPTION STANDPOINT THAT THAT PEOPLE KNOW.

ONE SUGGESTION ON HOW TO DEAL WITH THIS LONG LIST.

I HAVE A FEW ITEMS THAT I THINK WE SHOULD ADD.

THERE MIGHT BE SOME OTHERS THAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK WE SHOULD ADD.

SO I THINK WE SHOULD GET A COMPLETE LIST AND THEN WORK ON PRIORITIZING THE LIST.

SO WHEN WE HAVE THE LIST AFTER TODAY ONE SUGGESTION IS, IS YOU SEND OUT LIKE A SURVEY MONKEY OR SOME OTHER TOOL TO GET EVERYBODY TO RANK THESE AS PRIORITY ONE, 2 OR 3 OR A, B, C, WHICHEVER SCHEME YOU WANT.

SO THAT YOU GET SOME SENSE FROM ALL OF US, WHAT WE THINK THE PRIORITIES ARE, AND THEN BRING THAT BACK AND SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT I HEARD FROM THE GROUP AS WHAT THE PRIORITIES ARE.

DOES EVERYBODY AGREE OR DOES SOMEBODY WANT TO ARGUE THAT ONE OF THEM IS IN THE WRONG BUCKET AND SHOULD BE MOVED? BECAUSE PERSONALLY, IN ORGANIZATIONS I'VE DEALT WITH BEFORE, YOU KNOW, HAVING OVER 20 TOP PRIORITY ITEMS IS, IS HARD TO GET ANYTHING DONE. I THINK IT'D BE BETTER IF STAFF KNEW, OKAY, THESE ARE THE FIVE THINGS OR THE TEN THINGS, WHATEVER THAT WE REALLY WANT TO FOCUS ON. LET'S GET THOSE DONE AND THEN WE CAN WORK ON THE OTHERS AFTER THAT.

SO THAT'S A SUGGESTION FOR PROCESS. AND I HAVE SOME THINGS I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST ADDING, BUT MAYBE I DON'T KNOW IF IT MAKES SENSE TO SEE IF PEOPLE THINK THAT'S A WORTHWHILE PROCESS FIRST.

I THINK THERE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE ADDED TO THIS THAT THAT WERE PART OF OUR DISCUSSION.

I THINK YOU ARE ON COUNCIL. THERE I AGREE AND SOME OF THEM ARE ON MY.

YES. OKAY. SO ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK WE NEED TO ADD IS AIRPORT GOVERNANCE AND LEASE, YOU KNOW, WITH HB 405, MOVING FORWARD TO THE GOVERNOR. AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT MORE IN CORRESPONDENCE AND COMMUNICATIONS.

BUT I JUST THINK THAT'S A TOP ISSUE THAT WE NEED TO KEEP TRACK OF.

SEAWALLS DETERMINING YOU GO DEEPER WITH THAT WHEN YOU SAID IS IT TWO THINGS OR IS IT CONTROL AND WHETHER OR NOT WE OPEN THE LEASE.

AIRPORT GOVERNANCE AND LEASE. I'M TRYING TO TAKE NOTES ACTUALLY.

GOVERNANCE AND LEASE. OKAY. YEAH. TO ME, IT'S DETERMINING THE WAY FORWARD WITH OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE AIRPORT. WHETHER IT'S WHETHER WE'RE SUCCESSFUL AND ASKING THE GOVERNOR TO VETO IT OR MOUNTING A LEGAL CHALLENGE.

AND SO WE END UP WITH STATUS QUO. OR IF WE DON'T, THEN WHAT DO WE DO? AND WHAT'S OUR WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS? SO TO ME, DETERMINING THAT IS A TOP PRIORITY BECAUSE TIME IS VERY SHORT.

AND I DIDN'T MEAN TO TALK ABOUT IT RIGHT NOW.

WE CAN IF YOU WANT. I WAS PLANNING ON CORRESPONDENCE, BUT BECAUSE SITTING BY AND DOING NOTHING TO ME IS NOT AN OPTION.

SO WE HAVE TO DETERMINE WHAT WE WANT TO DO. THE NEXT ITEM I WOULD SUGGEST ADDING IS THE SEAWALLS ULTIMATELY DETERMINING WHAT THE HEIGHT SHOULD BE AND WHETHER THAT'S A UNIFORM HEIGHT THROUGHOUT THE CITY OR WHETHER WE DO IT BY BODY OF WATER.

FOR INSTANCE, NAPLES BAY MIGHT BE DIFFERENT THAN MOORINGS BAY MIGHT BE DIFFERENT THAN THE SEAGATE CANALS, YOU KNOW? SO PART ONE IS DETERMINING WHAT THE HEIGHT SHOULD BE.

PART TWO IS THE TRANSITION TO GET THERE. SO DO WE LET PEOPLE JUST DO IT ON THEIR OWN?

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ANOTHER ITEM IS REVIEWING OUR PROCESSES FOR APPROVING GENERATORS AND FLOOD PANELS.

AGAIN, THIS FALLS UNDER RESILIENCY OF ENCOURAGING HOMEOWNERS TO BE RESILIENT AND LOOKING AT DO WE JUST NEED TO CHANGE OUR PROCESSES? DO WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR CODE? HOW CAN WE MAKE THAT PROCESS RUN MORE SMOOTHLY FOR OUR RESIDENTS? BECAUSE I JUST HEARD FROM SO MANY PEOPLE DURING THE CAMPAIGN, THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR MAJOR PAIN POINTS IS THEY DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO GET THINGS APPROVED OR THEY THOUGHT IT TOOK TOO LONG OR THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS.

AND SO TRYING TO MAKE IT SMOOTHER AND EASIER.

AND I THINK THERE WAS ONE DAY YOU GUYS SPENT A LONG PART OF A COUNCIL MEETING APPROVING GENERATORS.

IT'S TRUE. WELL, IF SO, WE COULD INTERJECT ALREADY.

THAT'S IN THE PROCESS, MR. YOUNG. APRIL. YEAH.

APRIL 13TH IS GENERATORS. AWESOME. SO NONCONFORMITY, ELEVATED HOUSES AND THE DRB ORDINANCE ARE ALL PART OF THE APRIL 13TH WORKSHOP. OKAY, GREAT. SO MAYBE JUST ONE OF THESE ITEMS YOU COULD EXPAND SO THAT WE WE KNOW IT'S.

YEP. I'LL JUST ADD TO THAT, IF YOU DON'T MIND.

I KNOW FLOOD PANELS ARE AN ONGOING DELIBERATION WITH WITH WITHIN THE STAFF.

I KNOW THAT THAT IS FAR FROM SETTLED, AND I THINK THEY'RE ACTIVELY WORKING ON IT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTIONS ARE GOING TO BE OR HOW QUICKLY WE'RE GOING TO GET THEM, BUT NONETHELESS, I KNOW THAT THERE'S THERE'S EFFORTS BEING TAKEN. YEAH, I THINK RESIDENTS ARE LOOKING TO US, THE CITY, FOR GUIDANCE ON WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO.

SO MAYBE THAT'S A SEPARATE ITEM AND MAYBE GENERATORS IS EASIER TO HANDLE.

AND FLOOD PANELS TAKES MORE TIME. I THINK THAT'S AN ACCURATE STATEMENT.

DID WE NOT HAVE A SPECIAL SESSION ON FLOOD PANELS? AND IT WAS BASICALLY ASCERTAINED THAT WE WOULD NOT PERMIT THEM.

SO THERE WAS AN INFORMATIONAL ONE. AND HOW WE'RE PERMITTING THEM STATE HAD FINALLY COME DOWN WITH GUIDANCE, I THINK, JUST PRIOR TO THAT. AND, AND IN A LOT OF WAYS ECHOED EXACTLY WHAT WHAT WE WERE ALREADY DOING.

BUT I'LL BE HAPPY TO HAVE, ESPECIALLY WITH NEW MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, HAVE ANOTHER PRESENTATION BEFORE THIS BODY, SHOULD YOU WANT TO. THAT'LL BE FINE. ARE YOU OKAY WITH THAT? YEAH, YEAH. IT JUST NEEDS TO BE AN EVOLVING SITUATION FOR THE WHOLE STATE.

SO THE EXTENT WE CAN STAY ON TOP OF IT AND HELP OUR RESIDENTS PROTECT THEIR PROPERTIES.

YEAH. AND AGAIN, I DO HAVE TO TOUT HIM ONE MORE TIME IS YOU KNOW, STEVE BECKMAN IS, HAS BEEN AT THE FOREFRONT IS, IS HAS SPENT MANY HOURS IN TALLAHASSEE ON THE SAME SUBJECT.

SO GREAT. ANOTHER ITEM THAT I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S EMBEDDED IN ONE OF THESE IS REINSTATING THE INSPECTION PROCESS FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEMS ON SITE. YES, SIR.

OKAY, GREAT. BECAUSE TO ME, THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT WE IMPLEMENTED.

WAS IT 5 OR 6 YEARS AGO NOW WHEN WE DID THE NEW STORMWATER CODE? WAS JUST MAKING SURE THAT THOSE SYSTEMS CONTINUED TO WORK AS PLANNED.

WELL, WAIT ARE ARE WE NOT BRINGING THAT BACK TO COUNCIL TO DISCUSS? YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'M SORRY. IT'S NOT ON THE LIST.

I JUST SEE IT ON THE LIST BECAUSE IT'S ON THE OTHER.

GREAT. ANOTHER ITEM IS INTERPRETATION OF CODES.

I'VE HEARD THIS MENTIONED BY LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT WHETHER IT'S AN ADMINISTRATIVE INTERPRETATION OR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL, HOW DO WE KNOW, HOW DO WE FIND THOSE OUT? SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED A LIBRARY OF THOSE, A LIST OF THEM OR QUARTERLY REPORTING OF WHAT THOSE WERE SOME SOME MECHANISM SO THAT WE OR THE PUBLIC CAN KNOW WHAT THE INTERPRETATIONS ARE.

AND THEN THAT WOULD ALSO GIVE COUNCIL AN OPPORTUNITY TO THINK IF WE NEED TO ADDRESS THEM IN A BROADER SENSE.

AN EXAMPLE IS THE PILATES GYM AT PETTITT SQUARE.

YOU KNOW, HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, OH, WELL, WE NEED TO GO READDRESS THE CODE FOR THIS ITEM.

BUT IF WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THOSE IN THE PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT THEM, WE DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S AN ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED.

YOU FIRST. WELL, I WAS JUST SAYING THE MAYOR SPOKE TO THIS LAST WEEK.

WHAT SHE ASKED FOR, WHAT WE USE SOMETIMES THE WORDS INTERPRETATION AND ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL AS IF THEY'RE ONE AND THE SAME.

AND I THINK THAT THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY. AND BUT WHAT THE MAYOR ASKED FOR, JUST TO BE CLEAR, I BELIEVE I INTERPRETED IT CORRECTLY, WAS EVERY ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL FOR THE LAST FIVE YEARS.

ISN'T THAT CORRECT? MAYOR. YES. OKAY. SO MY ONLY POINT IS YOU'RE SPEAKING THE SAME LANGUAGE.

IT'S JUST THAT IS A YEAH, THAT IS A MONUMENTAL TASK.

AND THE NUMBER OF APPROVALS AND WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS ON IT, BUT IT WILL BE A VERY,

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I WAS THINKING ABOUT A PROCESS GOING FORWARD.

YOU KNOW, JUST HOW CAN WE TRACK THESE THINGS? INTERPRETATIONS OF THE CODE AS THEY GO FORWARD.

SO HAVING THE FIVE YEAR LIST IS GREAT, BUT THEN HOW DO WE KEEP UP WITH IT GOING FORWARD SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO SEARCHING FOR IT OR MEANING WHEN THESE THINGS ARE APPROVED? JUST A GENERAL INFORMATION STATEMENT.

SO YOU'RE AWARE OF THEM? YEAH. OKAY. I WANT TO CLARIFY THERE ARE 32 INTERPRETATIONS WHICH WE ATTEMPTED TO ADDRESS WHICH WE HAVE NOT ADDRESSED. ARE YOU FAMILIAR? I REMEMBER THAT I DO NOW.

OKAY, SO THAT'S TWO SEPARATE. YES. OKAY, THAT'S A GOOD POINT.

SO MAYBE THAT'S ANOTHER ITEM THAT NEEDS TO BE ON HERE SO WE DON'T FORGET IT.

THEN THERE ARE TWO ITEMS ON HERE I WASN'T SURE.

NUMBER 12, ARE YOU OUTDOOR DINING REGULATIONS FOR POTENTIAL CHANGES.

DOES THAT INCLUDE LOOKING AT MAYBE THERE'S SOME ROUTINE THINGS THAT WE'RE WILLING TO SAY.

DON'T NEED TO COME TO COUNCIL. THOSE COULD BE ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL.

THIS WAS ACTUALLY A FIRST READING THE FIRST DAY THAT I CAME ON TO THIS, TO THIS, THIS WAS ABOUT DOING AWAY AND OR ELIMINATING THE ABILITY TO USE RIGHT OF WAY FOR OUTDOOR DINING. AND THERE WERE SOME MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WHO WANTED TO SUNSET THE EXISTING SOME THE PLACES ON FIFTH WHO ALREADY HAVE THAT ABILITY. AND SO THE CITY ATTORNEY AND I, BASED ON THAT REQUEST, SAID THAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE AMENDMENTS THAT MANY AMENDMENTS. SO WE PULLED IT FROM FIRST READING AND IT JUST HASN'T BEEN BROUGHT BACK YET.

SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THAT MATTHEW AND I I THINK WE JUST SPOKE EVEN LAST CHARTER MEETING IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO, TO COME BACK WITH. BUT THERE WERE A LOT OF DEMANDS THAT DAY FOR THOSE WHO WERE HERE, REMEMBER, INCLUDING IF IN FACT, WE REDID FIFTH AVENUE, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE THINGS TO CONSIDER.

SO IT'S A MOVIE. I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU, BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND IT WASN'T ABOUT NECESSARILY CHANGING.

IT WAS ABOUT TAKING AWAY THE ABILITY TO HAVE ANY MORE EXTENDED ONTO OUR RIGHT OF WAY.

AND OH, BY THE WAY, CAN WE CLAW BACK SOME OF IT THAT'S ALREADY OUT THERE? OKAY, THAT'S WHAT THAT WAS. OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE.

I WAS SUGGESTING THERE MAY BE CASES WHERE LIKE SOMEBODY MAKES A MINOR CHANGE TO THEIR LIFE SAFETY PLAN.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY REDUCED THE NUMBER OF TABLES.

YOU KNOW, CAN'T YOU JUST APPROVE THAT? OR THE SIX MONTH REVIEW AFTER A NEW PERMIT IF THERE'S BEEN NO PROBLEMS, NO COMPLAINTS. CAN YOU JUST APPROVE THAT? THAT'S NOT SAYING WE NEED TO DECIDE THAT TODAY, JUST THAT IT WOULD BE NICE TO MAKE THAT DECISION AT SOME POINT.

THERE IS. I JUST WANTED TO ANSWER PART OF THAT BECAUSE THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL GAVE THOSE SAME DIRECTIVES.

AND ACTUALLY, ON APRIL 3RD, THOSE ITEMS, WHICH INCLUDED ELIMINATE THE SIX MONTH REVIEW IF THERE'S BEEN NO COMPLAINTS COMING BACK, THAT WILL ALSO BE DISCUSSED ON APRIL 13TH. SO GREAT, BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME DIRECTION TO SAY, CLEAN UP WHAT YOU CAN SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO COME BACK HERE AND THOSE WILL BE BEFORE YOU ON THE 13TH.

WELL, AND THERE WAS ALSO A COMMITMENT FROM THOSE PEOPLE THAT ALREADY WERE GIVEN RIGHT AWAY TO USE THAT SAID THAT THEY WERE WILLING TO PAY FOR IT OR AND THAT WE WOULD NOT DO ANY FURTHER PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY PERMITS. AND THAT IF THERE'S A CHANGE OF OWNER THAT WOULD GO AWAY.

THAT WAS THE, YEAH, THAT WAS THE SUN SETTING PART DISCUSSION.

PART OF IT. OKAY. NEXT NUMBER 16 INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS REGARDING WATER CAPACITY. I WASN'T SURE WHAT THIS WAS GETTING AT, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION IN OUR WATER SERVICE AREA, BUT OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS THAT ON THE SURFACE AT LEAST, IT SEEMS LIKE IT COULD BE A PROBLEM.

I MEAN, WE'RE ALREADY UNDER WATER RESTRICTIONS FROM THE SOUTH FLORIDA WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.

THEY'VE ASKED FOR MANDATORY CONSERVATION WITH JUST WHAT WE HAVE TODAY, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO SERVE TODAY, MUCH LESS WHEN WE GO ADDING A LOT MORE HOMES OR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS OR OTHER THINGS IN OUR AREA.

SO IF THIS IF THAT'S WHAT'S INTENDED TO BE COVERED HERE, I THINK THAT'S A HIGH PRIORITY BEFORE THE COUNTY BLESSES SOME OF THESE PROPOSED PROJECTS.

WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TELL THEM WE CAN'T GIVE THEM WATER. IF THAT'S IF THAT'S A FACT, IF WE THINK WE CAN'T GIVE THEM WATER, WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO TELL THEM THAT BEFORE THEY GO APPROVING THESE PROJECTS.

SO THERE'S WE'VE DISCUSSED. RIGHT? OKAY. RIGHT.

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AND THAT IS WHAT THE INTENT OF IT IS TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CAN AND YOU CANNOT PROHIBIT.

I WOULD REMIND YOU, I BROUGHT IT UP AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, I BELIEVE, WHERE TALLAHASSEE.

ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU NEED TO BE WATCHING FOR NOW ACTUALLY TAKES YOUR AUTHORITY AWAY FROM YOUR ABILITY TO DENY ANYBODY, EVEN OUTSIDE OF YOUR SERVICE DISTRICT. SO I JUST WANT TO THERE'S SOME INTERESTING THINGS.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PIECES ON THAT, BUT IT IS.

YEAH, THAT IS WHAT IT'S INTENDED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT.

AND NO, WHAT YOU LEGALLY CAN, CAN AND CANNOT DO.

AND ALSO A BROADER DISCUSSION ON OUR LIMITATIONS.

YEAH. BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE LIMITS ON WHAT WATER WE HAVE.

AND IT WOULD BE VERY COSTLY TO HAVE TO GO TRY TO BUILD A DESALINIZATION DESALINIZATION PLANT OR SOME OTHER SOURCE TO PROVIDE WATER. SO OKAY, AND I APOLOGIZE THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS I KNOW YOU GUYS HAD TALKED ABOUT, BUT JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S ON THE LIST, WHAT SHOULD BE ON THE LIST.

AND THEN IF WE CAN HAVE A WAY TO, AFTER EVERYBODY ADDS MORE IDEAS TO THE LIST, THAT WE HAVE A WAY TO PRIORITIZE THEM WOULD BE TERRIFIC.

OKAY. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO GO DOWN. I HAVE KRAMER, I DIDN'T YOU.

YES. OKAY. MINE WILL BE QUICK BECAUSE YOU JUST READ MY NOTES OR SOMETHING.

ALMOST THE EXACT SAME THINGS. THE COMBINATION THAT YOU STARTED WITH, THE PARKING AND ALL THAT ENTAILS.

I THINK I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE COULD COMBINE THAT INTO ONE CONVERSATION. BUT YOU ALREADY SAID THAT THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS, WHICH WERE JUST ADDRESSED. AND THEN FINALLY, AND YOU MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING, I, IT ISN'T ON HERE AND I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO ADD A BUNCH FOR SURE. BUT IT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION.

AND VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP JUST BROUGHT IT UP ABOUT OPENING THE CONTRACT.

I SAID THIS FOR TWO YEARS. I WANT TO ABOVE ALL ELSE, I WANT TO MONETIZE A DOLLAR A YEAR IS ABSURD, AND I WANT TO MONETIZE IT. AND IF WE GET SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 5 AND $10 MILLION TO HELP BUILD INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT'S A WIN. AND AND THAT'S NOT GIVING IN TO WHOEVER.

SOME PEOPLE THINK LIKE WHATEVER THEY'RE THINKING, WHATEVER THEIR STRATEGY IS, EVERY DAY THAT GOES BY THAT WE'RE LETTING THEM HAVE IT FOR A DOLLAR A YEAR IS UNCONSCIONABLE TO ME. SO IF THAT'S PART OF A CONVERSATION HERE, I'M NOT SURE IT IS.

THERE'S A LOT TO TALK ABOUT WITH THE AIRPORT. I THINK I SEE THEM AS MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.

MAYBE THEY'RE NOT LIKE OUR ATTORNEY CAN COACH ME UP ON THAT.

I'VE BEEN TALKING TO HIM FOR TWO YEARS ABOUT IT, AND IT SEEMS TO BE THAT WE COULD BE DOING MOVING DOWN THAT ROAD.

AND I JUST WANT TO AGAIN EMPHASIZE WHAT MY COLLEAGUE SAID ABOUT WE NEED TO, AS A GROUP PRIORITIZE THESE.

SO HOWEVER WE WANT TO DO IT ON A LIKERT SCALE, WHAT HAVE WE GOT TO DO TO GET. WE CAN'T DO 20 THINGS.

AND JUST FOR A LITTLE BACKGROUND FOR OUR THREE NEW MEMBERS, WHEN I CAME ON BOARD, I MET WITH OUR CITY MANAGER BEFORE I EVEN STARTED THE ONBOARDING PROCESS. AND I SAID, HEY, SO SHOW ME THE LIST OF PRIORITIES AND WHAT YOU'RE DOING.

HE GOES, WELL, I DON'T HAVE LIST PRIORITIES. I SAID, REALLY? WELL, WHAT DO YOU HAVE? BECAUSE I HAVE A LIST OF THINGS WE'RE DOING. I CAN TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE ACTIVE IN. I SAID, HOW MANY ITEMS IS IT? IT WAS 52. HE HAD 52 ACTIVE ITEMS. AND I SAID, THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE. YOU CAN'T BE GOOD AT ANYTHING IF YOU'RE TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING. AND SO THANKFULLY THE LAST COUNCIL WE DID GET.

I THINK WE DID A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF. AND WITH OUR CITY MANAGER AND OUR NEW CITY MANAGER AND WHEN HE WAS CFO OF GETTING THIS INTO OTHER PARTS OF THE ELEPHANT, YOU COULD ACTUALLY EAT. AND I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE ALL OF US TO DO THAT, THAT WE GO AHEAD AND GIVE THEM SPECIFIC PRIORITIES. WE KNOW WHAT THE WHATEVER IT IS.

AND, AND WE KEEP MOVING THESE THINGS FORWARD AND NOT JUST ADD TO THE LIST.

THANKS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

I BELIEVE IT WAS TWO YEARS AGO AT LEAST. WE AT ONE POINT IN TIME, WE WERE LOOKING FAIRLY CLOSELY, I THOUGHT AT PRIORITY BUDGETING. AND I THINK AT THE TIME CITY MANAGER, YOU SUGGESTED THAT WE WERE THAT YOU WERE TAKING A LOOK AT THAT AND THAT YOU'D GET BACK WITH US ON SOME SORT OF A PLAN OR FORMULA OR SOMETHING FOR PRIORITY BUDGETING, BUT I WOULD.

I HOPE THAT'S STILL IN THE WORKS, AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT COME TO US AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

I'VE LOOKED YOU'VE ALL LOOKED AT PRIORITY BUDGETING SOMEHOW.

THE COUNTY USES IT SEEMS TO MAKE A GREAT DEAL OF SENSE.

INSOFAR AS THE LIST THAT YOU'VE GIVEN US, I TOTALLY AGREE WITH NUMBER NINE, WHICH IS REVIEW THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS.

CERTAINLY LOOK AT PAID PARKING AS AN, AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US OR AN ALTERNATIVE FOR US.

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LET'S, LET'S, THAT'S A GOOD START. AND OTHER THAN THAT.

SPECIAL EVENTS PERMITS. OH, YEAH. SPECIAL EVENT PERMITS AND PROCESSING.

I THINK WE JUST KIND OF NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT MORE FORENSICS ON THAT.

YEAH. SO, SO TWO THINGS I'LL REMIND YOU, THE AFFORDABLE WORKFORCE HOUSING.

NOW, THIS IS THE ONE WHERE WE HAD TWO PRIVATE GROUPS COME UP CITIZENS.

ONE WAS A BUSINESS OWNER. AND I THINK HIS DEVELOPER OR HIS ARCHITECT CAME UP AND ASKED AND TALKED ABOUT, CAN WE HELP YOU WITH A TEXT AMENDMENT TO WE'LL DO A SLIDING SCALE ON DENSITY, BECAUSE THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME, THERE WAS A LOT OF NODDING OF THE HEADS. WE'VE ADDED IT TO THE ITEM, BUT THAT'S WHY I WANT TO.

I WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHAT YOU. WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANTED TO ENTERTAIN THAT AS A TEXT AMENDMENT, BECAUSE THE QUESTION WAS, DO YOU WANT STAFF TO STOP, YOU KNOW, MAYBE OTHER THINGS IN PLANNING TO DO THAT OR WHAT HAVE YOU, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S A LOT OF WORK DONE BY THE PRIVATE SECTOR ON THIS, BUT I NEED YOU TO TELL ME, DO YOU WANT THAT TO BE A PRIORITY FOR YOU AS WELL AND TO HAVE STAFF WORKED ON IT? AND THEN AS FAR AS THE THE SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT PROCESS.

I LEFT IT ON THERE BECAUSE WE PUBLISHED THIS AND WE STILL HADN'T HAD OUR CONVERSATION OR WE JUST HAD OUR CONVERSATION ON SECURITY AND VARIOUS OTHER TYPE THINGS.

SO LIKE FOR OUR, FOR EXAMPLE, I LEFT THIS ONE ON THERE BECAUSE IT'S SO CONTINUOUS.

AND REMEMBER, WE NEVER GOT THROUGH THE ENTIRE MANUAL AND OTHER DISCUSSIONS.

WE JUST KIND OF STOPPED IT AS WE HAVE ENOUGH, HERE'S THREE, FOUR THINGS WE'RE WORKING ON AND WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU ON THAT.

SO SPECIFICALLY, WE HAVE EVERY INTENTION OF COMING BACK AND FINISHING THE REST OF THAT CONVERSATION.

OKAY. AND REMEMBER, ON THE THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION I THINK THAT WE HAD ON THAT WAS THAT YOUR THE RESIDENTS ARE STICKERED AND EVERYBODY ELSE PAYS.

THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL DISCUSSION. YES. OKAY. OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK I'M GOOD.

THANK YOU. OKAY. WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO NEXT? BARTON.

AND THEN CARL. TOUCHED ON MOST OF THE STUFF THAT'S THAT SEEMS TO HAVE IMPORTANCE AND RELEVANCE.

AND WE'RE WORKING ON A LOT OF IT ALREADY, WHICH IS NICE.

WE, I COMPLETELY AGREE CONCUR THAT WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO THIS IS STILL A BIG LIST AND ESPECIALLY WITH SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE SUGGESTED NEED TO BE ADDED ON TO IT. SO WE CERTAINLY NEED TO FIND A WAY TO PRIORITIZE THE LIST.

I COULDN'T AGREE MORE. SO WHATEVER METHODOLOGY THAT IS, I DON'T CARE.

LET'S JUST LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT METHODOLOGY AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THE EXERCISE AND GET IT DONE SO THAT WE CAN, WE CAN PUT THIS IN SOME TYPE OF MANAGEABLE ORDER.

IN REFERENCE TO THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS, I WILL JUST ADD TO ONE LITTLE CAVEAT TO, TO WHAT HAD BEEN DISCUSSED.

AND THAT WAS PRIMARILY WAS, YOU KNOW, WITH THE WATER SHORTAGES OR, YOU KNOW, THE RESTRICTIONS THAT WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW. ARE WE ABLE TO PROVIDE THOSE SERVICES? THAT CERTAINLY IS PERTINENT, BUT I.

AND THIS IS WHERE WE GET INTO THE LEGALITY ISSUES.

AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T LEAVE IT AT THE DOOR.

ARE WE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES. THAT'S ONE THING. DO WE DESIRE TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES TO THE OTHER THING? BECAUSE IF THERE'S SOME WAY THAT WE CAN CONTROL ABOUT WHAT'S, WHAT'S BEING BUILT ON OUR BORDERS, AND ONE OF THOSE WAYS TO CONTROL THAT IS TO SAY WE CHOOSE NOT TO ALLOW YOU TO USE OUR WATER SERVICE SO THAT YOU CAN'T DO THAT PROJECT OR GO FIND WATER SOMEWHERE ELSE.

THAT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR BORDER. SO IF THAT'S IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO DO THAT, TO EXERT SOME SOME CONTROL THROUGH THAT PROCESS, I AM ALL FOR IT.

SO IT'S NOT A MATTER OF ARE WE ABLE TO, BUT ALSO A MATTER OF DO WE WANT TO.

AND THEN I WILL ADD TO THAT ARE THERE.

I'M GOING TO FORGET I HAVE ONE OTHER, BUT I'M GOING TO. IF I THINK ABOUT IT, I'LL. I'LL INTERJECT. BUT I THINK THAT WAS THAT WAS IT. I MAYBE HAD ONE OTHER.

AND I'LL CONTINUE TO RATTLE AROUND IN MY HEAD FOR A SECOND.

SEE IF THE FILE POPS BACK UP. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, THIS IS THIS IS GOOD.

THIS IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO. BUT LET'S PRIORITIZE THESE THINGS AND FIGURE OUT THE RIGHT WAY TO ATTACK THEM.

OKAY. I WOULD JUST SAY MR. YOUNG ON THE WATER PROVIDING WATER OUTSIDE.

I THINK THIS MIGHT TIE INTO THE UPDATE ON THE INTEGRATED WATER RESOURCES, WHICH I KNOW THAT WITH DOCTOR GEORGE UPDATING THAT, LOOKING THAT AT THAT AND ALSO THE ANALYZING OUR WELLS AND THE CONDITION THAT THEY'RE

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I DON'T, I'M SURE YOU RECALL WHEN WE HAD A SURVEYOR OR I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL THEM, BUT SOMEONE WHO PROJECTED AND LOOKED AT ALL OF THE COUNTY PROJECTS AND CAME BACK TO US AND SAID, THIS IS WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY FIGURED THAT OUT. FOR THE NEXT SOME ODD YEARS.

AND YOU HAVE ENOUGH WATER TO PROVIDE TO THEM.

INTERESTING ANALYSIS, BUT THAT SHOULD BE REVIEWED IN THAT I CAN VERIFY.

THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. NEXT I HAVE CARL. YOU KNOW, WHAT'S WHAT STANDS OUT TO ME ON THIS PRIORITY LIST. AND I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT IS THE ITEM THAT'S GOING TO A INCREASE REVENUES.

AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT INCREASING REVENUES BY RATCHETING COSTS OR TAXES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

AND LOWERING COSTS. AND THAT'S THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT.

BECAUSE IF IF WE'LL TAKE EXAMPLE, SWAN LAKE OR WE COULD GO OTHER AREAS IF A THIRD OF THAT WATERSHED IS IN THE COUNTY AREA AND WE'RE PAYING TO PUT IN A PUMP IN THAT LAKE, THEN IT SHOULD BE A SHARED COST. COMMON SENSE.

RIGHT? SO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS WE'RE LOOKING AT, BUT IT HAS TO BE DONE FAIRLY.

YOU KNOW, OUR $0.14 ON THE DOLLAR THAT WE GET FROM TAX REVENUES.

IT'S NOT GOING TO DO IT. SO WE GOT TO SHARE THESE COSTS THAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE TO AS WELL.

SO THAT'S WHY THE INTERLOCAL THING IS IS SO IMPORTANT TO ME.

IT'S ALSO AN IMPORTANT. AND ONE THING WE WANT TO ADD TO THIS IS WATER QUALITY.

IT'S THE FACT THAT A LOT OF OUR WATER POLLUTION TOO IS COMING FROM THE COUNTY.

THIS IS AN AREA THAT I'D LIKE TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY ON AS FAR AS THE FERTILIZER BAN DURING RAINY SEASON SEPTIC ISSUES.

THEY HAD A SEPTIC BILL. THEY SHOT IT DOWN IN THE PAST.

BUT I THINK THAT COULD BE RESURRECTED. AND THOSE ARE PROBABLY TWO EASY THINGS TO GET DONE.

BUT THIS INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT IS TO ME, LIKE ONE OF THE TOP PRIORITIES ON THIS, ON THIS LIST BECAUSE IT CAN DO SO MUCH FOR US.

IT CAN GET US IN A GOOD PLACE TO GET A LOT MORE DONE AND MAKE EVERYBODY HAPPY AND CONTROLLING THE WATER WE TALKED ABOUT.

WHAT I SEE GOING ON, I'M NOT A WATER EXPERT, BUT I FORESEE A NEW DEEP WELL BEING NEEDED.

YOU KNOW, AT THE CURRENT PACE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.

SO UNLESS WE DO A ROADBLOCK IT A LITTLE BIT OR, OR BE REALISTIC, THERE'S PROBABLY A BIG CAPITAL INVESTMENT COMING DOWN THE ROAD FOR US ON THOSE EXTRA DEVELOPMENT COMING ON. AGAIN, THAT'S OUT OF OUR AREA.

SO WE HAVE TO THAT'S WHY IT'S IN OUR LOCAL DISCUSSION.

WE GOT TO TALK ABOUT THAT AND CONTRIBUTION FEES PARKING.

I MEAN THAT'S INTERLOCAL BECAUSE IF YOU COME DOWN A WEEKEND, HOW MANY CARS ARE COMING FROM THE COUNTY OR FROM UP, UP IN IMMOKALEE ROAD OR WHATEVER, COMING DOWN HERE FOR DINNER, YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S GREAT.

YOU WANT TO SEE THE BUSINESSES GETTING PATRONIZED AND DO WELL.

BUT AGAIN, IT'S INTER LOCAL. SO THIS IS INTER LOCAL.

PEACE TO ME IS IS A KEY CRUX TO A LOT OF OUR ISSUES ACROSS LIES INTO A LOT OF THESE ISSUES.

OTHER ISSUES THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE OTHER THING IT'S A SPECIAL EVENT PERMIT PROCESS AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME TOO, BECAUSE THAT'S COMMUNITY.

AND WE GOT TO, WE GOT TO GET THAT STRAIGHTENED OUT BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVE TO HAVE FUN IN THIS TOWN.

WE GOT TO MAKE THIS A GREAT BE A GREAT TOWN. WE NEED GREAT EVENTS.

WE NEED GREAT, WE NEED TO MAKE IT FUN. SO ANYTHING WITH COMMUNITY, I THINK THAT'S GOT TO BE A FOCUS TOO.

AND TED LAID ON A BUNCH OF EXCELLENT STUFF, YOU KNOW, THE HB 405, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I GUESS DON'T FORGET TO DISCUSS THIS MEETING, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS TO HAS TO BE DISCUSSED IN DEPTH.

THE WHOLE RESILIENCY THING VERY, VERY IMPORTANT, AND AS WE TALK ABOUT STORMWATER MAINTENANCE, LIKE I WAS A BIG ADVOCATE OF MAINTENANCE. WE CAN'T FIX EVERYTHING OVERNIGHT.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE DECADES TO GET PROBABLY, YOU KNOW.

SO BUT IF WE COULD CLEAR DRAINS AND MOVE THE WATER FASTER IN THESE AREAS.

I MEAN, IF I'VE GOT 12 INCH PIPES AND THEY'RE THREE QUARTERS CLOGGED.

I MEAN, IT'S YOU KNOW, IF THE STORM COMES, THAT WATER IS GOING TO TAKE DAYS TO DRAIN DOWN. BUT IF THE PIPE WAS EMPTY, IT WOULD BE CLEAR. SO IF WE COULD FOCUS ON A LOWER COST MAINTENANCE OUTLOOK IN THE MEANTIME, AND WORK IN PROJECTS, STUDY PROJECTS OVER THE YEARS, AND GARY'S A GENIUS AT BLENDING IN, YOU KNOW, BUDGETING AND STUFF. SO WE'RE FORTUNATE TO HAVE THAT.

I THINK WE COULD ACCOMPLISH A LOT, A LOT. AND WITH THAT, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO, WITH THE NEW ADDITIONS ON THAT TO REPRIORITIZE AND PEOPLE GO THROUGH THEIR PRIORITIES.

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TO TIE INTO THAT. MR. YOUNG, I THINK THE WATERSHED INFORMATION FOR OUR BASIN STUDIES AND HOW THAT WATER FLOWS. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OUR NATURAL RESOURCES DEPARTMENT OR WHO'S MANAGING THAT, BUT THAT WILL ADDRESS DOCTOR GEORGE. I'VE TALKED TO HIM BRIEFLY ABOUT LIKE THE DAVIS TRIANGLE, FOR EXAMPLE. I MEAN, IT'S A CONCRETE JUNGLE NOW, AND I LOOK I LIVE OFF SANDPIPER.

I LOOK AT I DRIVE OUT TO SANDPIPER. I'M THE LOWEST ELEVATION.

I'M LIKE THE WATER COLLECTION ZONE FOR THAT WHOLE INTERSECTION.

REALLY. IT'S A RETENTION POND. SO IF THOSE DRAINS OVERFLOW AND CAN'T HANDLE IT BECAUSE IT'S ALL GRAVITY.

SO WE'RE IN TROUBLE THERE. AND IT COULD TAKE DAYS FOR PEOPLE TO GET ACCESS TO OUR HOUSES AFTER A BIG STORM PASSES.

SO WE NEED SOME KIND OF ELECTRIC PUMPING MECHANISM. AND THAT SHOULD BE PART OF THE COUNTY'S ISSUE. MAYBE THEY'VE GOT THE MARRIOTT GOING. YOU GOT THIS. YOU GOT THE OTHER BIG CONDO PROJECT GOING, THE TRIANGLE. AND THESE THESE PLACES ARE EVEN OCCUPIED.

YET IF YOU DRIVE BY THE DAVIS TRIANGLE, THAT APARTMENT BUILDING THAT'S AS BIG AS I THOUGHT IT WAS IN MANHATTAN WHEN I LOOKED AT IT.

IT'S IT'S MAINLY EMPTY. AND I THINK OUR WATER PRESSURE IS REALLY AT RISK HERE WHEN THESE THINGS FILL UP.

YOU GOT THE FOUR SEASONS YOU GOT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE THE PUMPING ABILITY TO KEEP THE PRESSURE.

WE DON'T HAVE A WATER TOWER OR ANYTHING TO ADD PRESSURE.

SO JUST THE PRESSURE ISSUE IS GOING TO BE IN HIGH SEASON WHEN ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE SHOWERING AT THE SAME TIME AND ALL THAT.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. I'VE POSED THAT QUESTION, BUT THESE ARE ISSUES.

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF ISSUES TO WORK ON. SO. BUT THAT INTERLOCAL PART IS OUR SOLUTION TOO, BECAUSE WITHOUT THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE, STOP BUILDING, YOU KNOW? YOU KNOW, WITHOUT IT, WITHOUT WORKING TOGETHER ON THIS, YOU KNOW? THE OTHER THING I WANT TO POINT OUT TOO IS, NUMBER ONE, THIS DRB REVIEW, I'M KIND OF INTERESTED IN THAT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, ON THE CAMPAIGN, YOU KNOW, THE MIRACLE MILE, THEY BUILT THIS PARKING GARAGE AND RIGHT AGAINST THE SIDEWALK, PEOPLE WERE REALLY COMPLAINING ABOUT STUFF LIKE THIS, ABOUT VISUAL HOW UGLY THINGS LOOK.

AND I THINK THAT NEVER CAME TO COUNCIL KIND OF JUST GOT DONE.

AND I THINK WE GOTTA WE GOTTA BE SENSITIVE TO WHAT THE RESIDENT'S NEEDS ARE IN THAT COMMUNITY, AND WE GOTTA FIGURE A WAY TO MAKE IT SO. SO WE CAN'T SEE MISTAKES MADE AS FAR AS COMPLAINTS LIKE THAT.

THAT'S IT. TO THAT POINT REVIEWING THE CODES THAT ARE WITH THE MIRACLE MILE AND HOW THESE PROJECTS DON'T COME BEFORE COUNCIL, I THINK HAS TO DO WITH THE DRB BECAUSE THEY'RE MULTIFAMILY. SO WE PROBABLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT PROCESS AND WHY IT'S NOT COMING TO COUNCIL.

BECAUSE THESE ARE BIG PROJECTS THAT I THINK IF, IF WE HAD A CHANCE OR PAB HAD A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN ON MAYBE LOCATIONS OF ELECTRICAL BOXES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THE, SOMETIMES THE BARTON.

WAY COMES OUT AND YOU GET A BETTER PROJECT. SO YEAH, THE ONLY THING IT'S IMPLIED THERE, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR IS THAT IF IT, IF IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT CODE, THEN THE ONLY PLACE, THE PATH THAT IT FOLLOWS IS TO GO TO DRB.

AND SO WHEN WE SAY DRB APPROVED IT, STAFF WOULD HAVE DETERMINED THAT THE CODE IT COMPLIES ALREADY.

THEREFORE IT ONLY REQUIRES THE DRB PATH. SO I JUST DON'T.

IT DIDN'T JUST I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I PUT THAT LINEAR LINE BETWEEN STAFF'S APPROVAL THAT IT WAS ALREADY IN THE CODE.

THEREFORE, IT DIDN'T REQUIRE ANY ANY CHANGES AND IT WOULD GO TO ITS NORMAL DESIGN REVIEW PROCESS.

THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I DELINEATED. AND I AGAIN, IT ALSO HAPPENED THESE CHANGES HAPPENED.

AND WHEN WE GET TO THAT, I CAN YOU AND I CAN DISCUSS FURTHER HOW THAT CHANGED.

WHEN DRB STARTED AND AND THAT ALL OF THIS IS ABOUT, WELL, IS THE CODE EFFECTIVE ANYMORE? RIGHT? AND DO WE NEED TO CREATE OTHER CODES TO IMPLEMENT FROM THE THINGS THAT WE'RE NOTICING THAT WORKED MAYBE TEN YEARS AGO, BUT THAT ARE NOT WORKING NOW? SO I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.

AS FAR AS C C I, P AS IT RELATES TO THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE YOU ARE AND I'M SURE YOU'RE ON THIS ALREADY, MR. YOUNG, BUT JUST TYING INTO THERE'S GOT TO BE SOME TYPE OF SPREADSHEET OR MATRIX ON OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE THAT WE CAN REFER TO WHETHER IT'S FOR STORMWATER MAINTENANCE OR ROAD MAINTENANCE.

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AND YEAH, SO WE DO HAVE TWO THINGS. ONE IS, IS, AS YOU KNOW WE CAN COME BACK AND REVISIT THE, THE PAVING PROGRAM AND THE COMMITMENT AS TO WHAT YOU WANT TO BUDGET.

BUT THE OTHER PART ON THE STORMWATER IS I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE COME BACK AND REPORT TO YOU HOW MANY OF THE OUTFALLS WE'VE CLEANED OURSELVES THIS YEAR ARE. WE TRIPLED THE EFFORT WITH OUTSIDE CONTRACTORS TO DO THE CLEANING, BUT ALSO THEN TO LET YOU KNOW PROSPECTIVELY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, INCLUDING WE REPURPOSED TO A HEAVY DUTY OPERATOR POSITION BECAUSE WE ALSO FOUND OUT WE HAD, I HAD TRUCKS THAT I DIDN'T HAVE OPERATORS FOR.

SO WE REPURPOSED. SO WHEN WE GET TO THE CIP DISCUSSION YOU'LL KNOW THE POSITIONS THAT WE'VE REPURPOSED, GIVE YOU A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, AND THEN WHY WE NEED TO HAVE FURTHER CAPABILITIES TO CLEAN THESE PIPES OURSELVES, BECAUSE ONE SECTION WE FOUND IT WAS BLOCKED WAS SIX FOOT SECTION.

IT COST ME $200,000 TO HAVE IT DONE AND COMPLETELY REPLACED.

SO KEEPING UP WITH IT MAINTENANCE WISE IS A VERY COST EFFECTIVE MECHANISM.

AND WE'LL COME OUT IN THE BUDGET ON OPERATIONS, BUT YOU'LL HAVE EQUIPMENT NEEDS THAT GO ALONG WITH THAT TO HAVE THAT OPERATIONS BE EFFECTIVE. SO YOU'LL HEAR THAT THE FIRST TIME TOO IN THE MAY WORKSHOP.

THANK YOU. SO I COUNCIL MEMBER CALL THE WATERSHED JUST ON THE THINGS YOU TALKED ABOUT, THE WATERSHED INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS, AND ALSO THAT FERTILIZER COULD BE PUT TOWARDS A LIST OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO TALK TO THE COUNTY ABOUT WHEN WE ESTABLISH HAVING THAT JOINT MEETING. YES. AND IRONICALLY, I WAS GOING TO BRING IT UP IN COMMUNICATIONS.

COUNTY MANAGER AMY PATTERSON REACHED OUT TO ME ON THURSDAY ON MARCH 12TH, AND SHE ADVISED THAT THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ARE, IN FACT, WILLING AND, AND REACHING OUT AS WELL TO HAVE A JOINT SESSION TOGETHER SO WE CAN GET THAT GOING, BUT ELIMINATE THAT NEED TO DISCUSS IT BEFORE WE DO IT.

THEY'RE VERY RECEPTIVE TO, TO HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS.

AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER POINT I'LL MAKE IS, IS THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENTS.

IT ISN'T ONE. IT'S ACTUALLY ABOUT 19 OF THEM INTERTWINED FOR VARIOUS PURPOSES.

SO IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO GO THROUGH WITH ONE ON ONES TO GIVE YOU SOME FLAVOR OF HOW MANY THERE ACTUALLY ARE AND FOR EACH SPECIFIC PURPOSE.

YEAH. AND IT HAS TO BE, I THINK THE WHOLE THING WITH THE, IT HAS TO BE REVIEWED, THE PARKING FEE, ALL OF IT HAS TO BE LOOKED AT. SO YEAH. THANK YOU.

AND, AND BE CAUTIOUS OF THEIR SOLUTIONS ARE JUST, I'M GOING TO JUST TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE ONE OF THEIR SOLUTIONS TO PARKING AT ONE POINT WAS TO BRING THE CAT BUS TO THE PIER AND DROP OFF PEOPLE FOR THE BEACH.

FROM THEIR PARKING GARAGE AT THE COUNTY. SO WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL OF SOME OF THE PROPOSED SOLUTIONS THE COUNTY HAS GIVEN TOWARDS PARKING FOR US BECAUSE THE CAT BUS COMING IN FROM THE COUNTY DOWN OUR STREETS TO DROP OFF.

I MEAN, NOT ALL LOCATIONS, BUT IT WAS DESIGNATED THE PIER REALLY COULD IMPACT THAT THAT AREA.

SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY THERE. SCHOLZ.

NOT MANY MEETINGS AGO, I BROUGHT UP THE ABILITY TO GO THROUGH THE CODES AGAIN, AND I'D BE WILLING TO SERVE ON A SUBCOMMITTEE OF A COUPLE OTHER FOLKS AND MYSELF TO COME BACK WITH RECOMMENDATIONS ON HOW TO TIGHTEN UP THE CODES.

BECAUSE THAT WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT IT, WHEN I BECAME A MEMBER AND I WAS JUST.

SITTING RIGHT THERE SAYING, WELL, WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS? YOU CAN DRIVE. MACK TRUCKS. FOR EVERY ONE OF THESE THINGS, YOU CAN JUST DRIVE A MACK TRUCK THROUGH SO MANY. SO TIGHTENING THEM UP AND I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO TO GET INTO THE BOWELS OF SOME THINGS.

BECAUSE I'M JUST READING ABOUT THIS GOODLETT HOTEL, 290 ROOMS AT 870 GOODLETTE.

THAT WAS. GRANDFATHERED IN FOR SOME REASON. I SAW IT.

IT'S GOING TO BE STARTING. WHEN? WELL, LET'S NOT TALK ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S A FUTURE PROJECT. THAT'S QUASI JUDICIAL.

SO WE. OKAY. YES. RIGHT. SO SO THAT'S IT'S NOT LEGITIMATE.

BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S OUT THERE.

BUT I TALKED TO THE ATTORNEY ABOUT IT. OKAY. IF THAT'S THE CASE, THEN TO REVISIT THE CODES ACROSS THE CITY WHERE WE KNOW THERE'S SPECIFIC PROBLEM AREAS. AND AGAIN, I'M WILLING TO TO DO THIS, IF I CAN GET A COUPLE MORE FOLKS THAT WANT TO VOLUNTEER TO HELP ME GO THROUGH IT.

IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IS ACCEPTABLE, IF I COULD MAKE A RECOMMENDATION IN THAT.

ANYTHING THAT YOU HAVE THAT YOU WANT TO RECOMMEND THAT WE DISCUSS, I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA.

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OR AT LEAST MISS MARTIN HAS MENTIONED IT. THAT WOULD BE A GOOD START.

KNOWING WHAT STAFF SAYS, THAT OUR CONFLICTS AND PROBLEMS WITH INTERPRETATIONS, BUT ANY OTHER CODES THAT YOU THINK ARE WEAK AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT.

JUST I THINK THAT SHOULD BE BROUGHT UP AS PART OF THE CONVERSATION.

TOTALLY AGREE. QUICK QUESTION. MAYOR. AND MAYBE THIS IS WE'RE DOING THIS.

WE'RE IN THE MIDST OF THIS PROCESS. ARE WE NOT WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY? WELL, WE'RE DOING IT TO IDENTIFY PLACES WHERE THEY CAN BE, WHERE IT CAN BE STREAMLINED AND WHERE WE CAN THE OTHER IF THERE'S AN OPINION.

SO THERE'S TWO QUESTIONS. ONE. ONE, YOU SAID A SUBCOMMITTEE, BUT YOU WEREN'T TALKING A SUBCOMMITTEE OF MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. CORRECT? WELL, IF PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO WORK WITH ME ON THAT, THAT'S THE EQUIVALENT OF A COUNCIL MEETING, BECAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO DO IT IN SUNSHINE AND ALL.

THAT'S FINE. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WERE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THAT.

FROM THE STANDPOINT OF IF YOU HAVE CODES, YOU SPECIFICALLY WANT TO CHANGE IT, WE CAN HAVE THE CONVERSATION, BUT IF WE'RE NOT ALREADY, THEN THE COUNCIL RULES REMEDIES THAT SAYS A, I BELIEVE IT'S A PROBLEM.

YOU BRING IT UP AND THEN IF COUNCIL HAS AGREED BY CONSENSUS, THEN WE PUT IT ON AN AGENDA TO BE CHANGED.

SO NOTHING PRECLUDES ANYBODY FROM DOING IT. I JUST I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO YOUR INTERNAL WHETHER THEY WANT TO HAVE A SUBCOMMITTEE OR NOT.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU KNEW. WE HAVE A PROCEDURE.

THERE'S A PROCEDURE ALREADY IN PLACE. WE'LL WORK WITH YOU AND STAFF AND GET THROUGH ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT.

AND I KNOW CITY ATTORNEY ALWAYS DOES THE SAME.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, TOO, IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU BELIEVE CHANGE CHANGED.

AND WE'RE NOT WORKING ON IT. YOU CAN ALWAYS BRING IT UP AND AND GET CONSENSUS TO HAVE IT ADDED.

OKAY. AND MY POINT WAS, IF I MAY, THAT THERE.

CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. ARE WE NOT CURRENTLY.

HAVE WE NOT BEEN GOING THROUGH AND LOOKING FOR INCONSISTENCIES, MAKING SURE TERMINOLOGY IS CONSISTENT AND TRYING TO ELIMINATE ANYTHING THAT'S INCONSISTENT OR WITHIN ITSELF OR WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND, AND SECTION BY SECTION. WE'VE BEEN DOING THAT SINCE MATTHEW CAME ON BOARD.

IS THAT NOT THE CASE? WE ARE, BUT THERE ARE ALSO AS, AS, AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE ALREADY INDICATED, THERE ARE INTERPRETATIONS AND THINGS OUT THERE WHERE SOMEBODY CAN SAY, WELL, I THINK THE CODE SHOULD BE BETTER RIGHT NOW.

THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN US THINKING THE CODE SHOULD BE BETTER. AND SOMEBODY ELSE SAYING, WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD CHANGE THAT RIGHT NOW. SO I'M NOT TRYING TO DISCOURAGE ANY DISCUSSION OR ANYTHING. I THINK IT'S A MATTER OF EACH INDIVIDUAL MEMBER OF COUNCIL BRINGING FORWARD WHAT THEY WANT.

BUT IN THE MEANTIME, YOU KNOWING THAT GIVING YOU AND HAVING THE MEETING.

SO YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL AS WELL. SO WE'RE NOT TRUDGING OVER THE SAME AREA, THAT'S ALL. AND THAT WAS MY POINT.

THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT, IS THAT I WANT TO DUPLICATE EFFORT. BUT I THINK IF IT'S SOMETHING IN THE CODE THAT ISN'T DOING WHAT'S INTENDED, THEN CERTAINLY THAT SHOULD BE BROUGHT BEFORE CITY COUNCIL. WE NEED TO. YES, THE THE AMOUNT OF SPLIT LOTS, THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL IN THE SAME LOCATIONS.

I THINK THAT'S PROBLEMATIC. AND IT WILL CREATE MORE SITUATIONS LIKE WE HAVE AT PETTITT SQUARE WITH THE PILATES STUDIO.

THE MORE YOU PUT COMMERCIAL IN WITH RESIDENTIAL.

I THINK YOU HAVE FRAUGHT WITH ALL SORTS OF PROBLEMS LATER, PRIMARILY WHEN THE PROPERTY CHANGES HANDS AS WHAT HAPPENED AT PETTITT SQUARE, THE LOWER LEVEL CLEARED OUT. THESE PEOPLE CAME IN AND THE FOLKS THAT PURCHASED THEIR CONDOS ABOVE IT SORT OF GOT WHIPLASHED ON THAT BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE BETTER, BUT TO TRY TO FORESTALL AND GET RID OF THOSE TYPES OF PROBLEMS. AND BE SURE WE DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH OF THAT IN THE SAME AREA WHERE WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL AND COMMERCIAL, WHICH WE JUST IT WAS ALL APPROVED ON THIRD FOR, FOR A LONG TIME FAMILY.

AND THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE EXCEPTIONS TO RULES, BUT THE LESS, THE MORE WE CAN ELIMINATE THE EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULES, THE BETTER WE ARE IN THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WITH THE WATER PARK.

AND THAT'S GETTING ON PEOPLE'S RADAR DOWN HERE NOW, WHICH IS GOOD.

BUT THE THE AMOUNT OF THINGS THAT THESE FOLKS ARE TRYING TO DO THERE IS SUPERCILIOUS.

I WAS AT WHERE I TOOK THE LETTER FROM COUNCIL TO THAT PANEL DISCUSSION THAT I WAS ON AND THEY LOVED IT.

THEY SAID COUNCILS WANT TO DO SOMETHING. I SAID, WELL, WE'RE WILLING TO GIVE YOU GOOD WORDS RIGHT NOW, BUT WE'D LIKE TO DO MORE, BUT WE NEED TO KNOW MORE.

SO THE ISSUE WOULD BE, IS, IS HOW IS IT GOING TO PROCEED THROUGH THE LABYRINTH CALLED COLLIER COUNTY PLANNING? BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE GOING NEXT.

THE PLANNING AND NED. I CAN'T THINK OF NED'S LAST NAME FROM GSAC.

YEAH. NED FRYER, GREAT GUY. THE ONLY PROBLEM WAS IT WAS SCHEDULED TO BE AN HOUR.

PRESENTATION AND FIRE. WHEN? AN HOUR AND 20 MINUTES BEFORE HE EVEN IMPACTED THE MOMENTUM OF THE MEETING GOT TAKEN AWAY.

BUT THE IMPACT WAS THAT YOU HAD THE PRESENCE FROM UP THERE.

MYSELF REPRESENTING THAT WE WERE KIND ENOUGH TO GET THAT GARY WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE FOR US, AND THAT'S A GOOD STEP.

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AND THERE ARE NAPLES. PATRICK, FOR EXAMPLE, AND HIS WIFE PUT 7000 INTO IT.

SO. SO THEY'RE BUILDING UP A LEGAL BUDGET ON THEIR OWN UP THERE TO DO THAT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT. WE'VE GOT TWO CHURCHES A GRADE SCHOOL AT PROBABLY WHAT I WOULD CONTEND IS ONE OF THE WORST INTERSECTIONS YOU HAVE IN THE CITY AT CRAYTON SEAGATE. IF THERE'S A WORSE INTERSECTION OUTLOOK, THAT ONE HOUSE THAT'S THERE, SITTING THERE IN THE MIDDLE OF EVERYTHING. IF THAT AREA WERE TO BE REDONE.

I DON'T KNOW HOW THE USE OF EMINENT DOMAIN WORKS IN A CITY LIKE NAPLES, BUT THAT COULD REALLY ALLEVIATE A WHOLE LOT OF TROUBLE UP IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THAT TYPE OF ACTIVITY, AGAIN, WITH LOOKING WITH THE LONGER TERM VIEW IN LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL IN THE SAME IN THE SAME AREAS, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY THINGS THAT CAN GO WRONG WITH THAT AND NOT SO MANY THINGS THAT CAN GO RIGHT WITH IT.

WE THEN HAVE THE DIFFERENT TRAFFIC SITUATIONS.

I KNOW THERE'S TRAFFIC STUDY, AND I'VE GOT ONE COMING UP ON SOMETHING WITH A TRAFFIC STUDY FAIRLY SOON OF CONTEMPLATING FIFTH AVENUE.

WE'VE GOT THE ALLEYWAY, WE'VE GOT FIFTH AVENUE ONE WAY, ONE WAY.

AND SO TRY TO CLEAN UP THE TRAFFIC FLOW BECAUSE WHEN PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO PARK PARALLEL PARK IN THE MIDDLE OF A CROWD AND YOU'RE TRYING TO GET OUT OF THERE, THAT JUST MAKES IT. IT'S VERY YOU ALL KNOW, IT'S A NIGHTMARE WHEN THAT HAPPENS, BUT THERE'S THE BACK SIDE AND THE REVENUE THAT'S BEING GENERATED FOR THE RESTAURANTS.

AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH PRIVATE SECTOR MAKING MONEY. BUT IF IT'S USING THE CITY'S PROPERTY TO THEN PARK CARS AND GET REVENUE FROM THAT AND THE CITY GETS NOTHING FOR IT, HOW DOES THAT WORK EXACTLY? THESE KIND OF LITTLE THINGS WHERE WE WE ARE NOT BEING COMPENSATED AS A CITY FOR THE AMOUNT OF USE OF CITY PROPERTY THAT BENEFITS A VERY SELECT FEW. AND I THINK THOSE KINDS OF SITUATIONS, AGAIN, I HAVE HOMEWORK TO DO WITH WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDY I'M SUPPOSED TO BE ONBOARDED ON WITH. AND SINCE I'M THE END OF THIS ROUNDTABLE.

SO IT'S I DON'T MEAN TO DRONE ON, BUT THESE THINGS THINKING A LITTLE BIT OUTSIDE THE BOX A BIT.

IT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL BECAUSE IF THIS PROJECT AT NAPLES, NAPLES GRAND GETS GET OFF THE GROUND AND THEY'RE GOING TO GO APRIL 1ST IS WHEN THEY START THE DEMO. THERE ARE SOME THINGS WE NEED TO CONTEMPLATE AHEAD OF TIME THAT MAY MAKE THAT APPETITE FOR THEM A LITTLE LESS COMPELLING.

AND THAT WOULD BE A DIRECT, FRANK AND CANDID CONVERSATION BETWEEN CITY MANAGER AND COUNTY MANAGER SAYING, THERE ARE TOOLS IN YOUR TOOLBOX YOU COULD DO TO ALLEVIATE THIS THAT WOULD LOWER DOWN THE VOLATILITY AND VOLUME OF PEOPLE HERE, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE VERY UPSET, AND WE THINK IF WE COULD WORK TOGETHER WITH YOU ON THIS, THAT YOU COULD SELF-POLICE BETTER WITH WHAT PBSD IS GOING TO TRY TO DO HERE, BECAUSE THE FOUNDATION PILGRIM FOUNDATION DOESN'T SEEM TO HAVE THE THE APPETITE LEGALLY THAT THEY THINK THEY CAN'T DO SOMETHING.

WELL, MAYBE THEY CAN IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT IF THERE WAS SOME HELP.

SO THOSE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES WITH THIS YOU'VE ALL MADE OUTSTANDING POINTS.

I MEAN THERE'S NOTHING HERE THAT YOU SAID THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH.

SO JUST TO ADD TO IT IN THAT VENUE IN THAT VEIN IS, IS HOW I WOULD LIKE TO APPROACH IT AS WELL.

SO WITH THAT IF STAFF COULD JUST KEEP US UPDATED OF WHEN MAYBE THAT WATER PARK IS GOING TO BE DISCUSSED AT THE COUNTY, SINCE WE DID HAVE A VERY GOOD LETTER IN OPPOSITION, THE LETTER AS WAS READ.

WOW. THE CITY'S SERIOUS. THE CITY'S SERIOUS. AND SO THAT WAS SO, SO GOOD THAT YOU ALL DID THAT AT THE PELICAN BAY MEETING.

YES. YEAH. YEAH, IT WAS PELICAN BAY COMMUNITY BUILDING.

SO, YOU KNOW, BUT IT WAS IT WAS NAPLES RESIDENTS PRIMARILY THAT WERE THERE.

YEAH. SO WITH THAT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. OH, LINDA.

YOU WENT. BENJAMIN? YES. THANK YOU. MR. YOUNG.

THE ONLY OTHER THING IS WE DIDN'T FINISH THE SITE PLAN PROCESS, BETTER KNOWN AS AN OPTIMIZATION PROCESS.

AND UNDERSTANDING HOW THE COMMUNICATION STOPS FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT AND TRYING TO MAKE PERMITTING MORE EFFICIENT.

I THINK YOU AND I HEARD IT FROM A COUPLE OF HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS THAT WE STILL HAVE.

IF THERE ARE THINGS IN THE PROCESS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED THAT WE DON'T PIECEMEAL IT, THAT THEY KNOW ALL FIVE OF THEM THAT NEED TO BE

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I'M STILL HEARING THAT OUT THERE. AND THE IMPORTANCE OF LOT COVERAGE.

I KNOW THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO COME BACK TO US. MAYOR TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT. THE BUILDING. AN EIGHT STORY DUAL USE APPROVED BY THE PAB FROM THE CITY IS HEADING TO COUNCIL FOR FINAL APPROVAL.

IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS SOMEHOW STILL IN LITIGATION? MAYBE. NO, IT'S OUT OF LITIGATION. IT'S GONE TO DRB AND PAB AND IT'S GOING TO COME TO US.

YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S PAST PAB, AT LEAST ACCORDING TO THIS NEWS, RIGHT? LAST WEEK. OKAY.

YEAH. SO IT'S COMING TO US AND YOU NEED TO TALK TO THE ATTORNEY ABOUT IT.

I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY.

WITH THAT, IS THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT ON PRIORITIES? I HAVE NONE. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE, MR. YOUNG? NO, MA'AM.

THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. CAN I JUST FOLLOW UP? DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THE PRIORITY? A PRIORITIZATION PROCESS FOR WHICHEVER TOOL YOU WANT TO USE, BUT THAT YOU WOULD COME BACK TO US WITH PRIORITIES? YEAH, I'M GOING TO. OKAY. I'M GOING TO UPDATE THIS WITH ALL THE ONES THAT WERE MENTIONED.

AND THEN CHRISTINA AND I WILL MEET WITH MONIQUE AND SEE IF THERE'S, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE AS SIMPLE AS ADDING A COLUMN, PUT A NUMBER BESIDE IT RATHER THAN GO TO ANY BIG TROUBLE.

BUT, BUT EITHER WAY, WE'LL MAKE SURE AND I'LL SEND OUT THE, THE OTHER ONE THAT INCLUDES ALL THE RESILIENCY, THE PIER, THE BEACH ACCESSES AND ALL THE THINGS WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON.

SO GREAT. THANK YOU. RIGHT. THE ONES THAT WERE ALREADY IN PROCESS AND ALSO KNOWING HOW THAT TIME FRAME WOULD WORK BECAUSE YOU KNOW, SOME HAVE TO GO TO WORKSHOPS, SOME, YOU KNOW, AND HOW LONG THIS.

WELL, YEAH. AND I THINK THAT'S WHY GETTING THE, WHAT THE PRIORITIES LOOK LIKE.

I'LL REMIND YOU, UNFORTUNATELY, WE ONLY HAVE THREE MORE WORKSHOPS BEFORE.

SO BEFORE YOUR SUMMER BREAK BECAUSE YOU AND ONE OF THEM IS THE C I P, WHICH TAKES ABOUT SIX HOURS.

SO THERE'S A LIMITED NUMBER OF MEETINGS AND WHAT I'M GOING TO BRING THAT UP UNDER COMMUNICATIONS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE COUNTY AS WELL.

SO WE'LL TRY TO ADD DISCUSSION ITEMS TO EVERY COUNCIL MEETING.

BUT GETTING YOUR PRIORITIES FIRST, THEN I CAN LET YOU KNOW WHERE I CAN SLOT THEM IN AND HOW QUICKLY WE CAN BE PREPARED FOR IT.

SO. OKAY. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, WE WE ACTUALLY SHOULD TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK FOR THE CLERKS AND WE'LL RETURN IN FIVE MINUTES.

OKAY. WE'RE BACK FROM OUR SHORT BREAK AND WE'RE CONTINUING ON WITH ITEM SEVEN.

PUBLIC COMMENT. MADAM CLERK. OH, OKAY. GOING TO COMMUNICATIONS AND

[8) COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, AND STAFF]

WE TALKED THIS MORNING ABOUT OBVIOUSLY A AN AUDIT COMMITTEE.

AND I'M SORT OF WONDERING IF MAYBE WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A TALK ABOUT, THINK ABOUT OR TOTALLY REJECT THE CONCEPT OF DOING A FORENSIC AUDIT ON THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT. SOMETHING I THINK COULD COME UP FOR DISCUSSION AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

SO THAT WAS THE ONE THAT I MENTIONED IN JANUARY, AND IS MY INTENT TO COME BACK WITH A SEPARATE RFP AND EVEN THE BACK AND FORTH DIALOG I HAD WITH THE MEMBER THAT WAS APPLYING FOR MR. BROWN THERE.

AS IT IS IN THE SCHOOLS, IT'S A DIFFERENT ENTITY.

IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE SAME ONE. AND THAT WAS THE APPROACH WE WERE TAKING, IS NORMAL AUDITORS FOR YOUR NORMAL ANNUAL AUDIT AND DOING A SEPARATE RFP FOR A FORENSIC AND INTERNAL AUDIT. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M UNLESS YOU DIRECT ME OTHERWISE OR TODAY.

THAT WOULD BE THE INTENT OF IT IS COMING BACK TO YOU.

PROBABLY BY THE SECOND MEETING IN MAY TO AWARD FOR THAT.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR REMINDING ME. APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. KRAMER. NOTHING. THANK YOU. MAYOR.

PARDON? NOTHING FOR ME, MA'AM. PEARL. I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY I WAS ON A POSITIVE NOTE AND HAPPY NOTE.

I WAS HAPPY TO SEE THE AMOUNT OF VOLUNTEERISM ON OUR BOARDS.

I MEAN, I'M REALLY. I WAS ELATED BY THAT. I KNOW IN THE PAST THERE WAS A LOT OF APATHY.

WE WE HAD TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT PEOPLE FROM THE COUNTY TO FILL SOME OF OUR BOARD POSITIONS.

I MEAN, SO I WAS HAPPY TO SEE THAT ON A POSITIVE NOTE.

ON A MORE CAUTIOUS NOTE, THIS HB 405 THAT THAT PASSED HAS GOT A LOT OF MOTION IN ME.

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BUT I SURELY VIEW THIS WHOLE THING ON MANY LEVELS AS A DIRECT VIOLATION OF POSSIBLY OUR LEASE AGREEMENT. WHETHER IT'S EVEN CONSTITUTIONAL. WHAT THEY DID.

I JUST, I JUST IN MY MIND I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED A CONSULTATION WITH ATTORNEY COLE.

WHETHER IT HAS TO BE INDIVIDUALLY OR IN A FORM ABOUT ALTERNATIVES.

AND IN THE CAMPAIGN, I TALKED A LOT ABOUT YOUR GRASSROOTS LEVEL, YOUR LOCAL ELECTIONS MATTER.

AND HERE WE HAVE A CASE WHERE TWO OF OUR LOCAL STATE HOUSE BASICALLY TURNED OUR BACK ON, ON THE COMMUNITY GOING DOOR TO DOOR.

I DIDN'T FIND ONE PERSON THAT SAID, OH, I'M NOT FOR HOME RULE, NOT ONE.

AND YET THEY ALL VOTED AND NOT ONLY VOTED ENABLED THIS THING.

SO I AM REALLY THE DISCONNECT BETWEEN THE PEOPLE AND SOME SOME OF OUR STATE HOUSE.

I JUST DON'T I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND. I JUST DON'T GET IT.

I MEAN, WHAT IT DEFIES ALL COMMON SENSE IN MY IN MY VIEW.

SO I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. YOU KNOW, I'M HOPING THE GOVERNOR WOULD VETO THIS.

I REALLY HOPE FROM A, FROM A HOME RULE STANDPOINT, I REALLY HOPE GOVERNOR DESANTIS DOES DO SOMETHING TO STOP THIS BECAUSE HE'S OUR LAST RESORT AT THIS POINT. SO ANYWAY, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION AFTER GETTING SOME SOME CONSULTATION BY BY COUNCIL.

I AGREE WITH YOU THAT WE SHOULD HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS.

WE HIRED COLE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT HOME RULE OPTIONS WE MIGHT HAVE.

AND HOPEFULLY HE WAS WORKING WITH THE, LOBBYISTS ALONG THE WAY, GIVING INFORMATION THAT WOULD HOPEFULLY HAVE STOPPED THIS FROM HAPPENING. WE DID.

I MR. YOUNG THE STATUS ON THE LETTER TO THE STATE LEGISLATURES, WHICH I BELIEVED WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO END UP HAVING TO GO TO THE GOVERNOR. YEAH. SO AS YOU KNOW, PAT, YOU KNOW, IT PASSED THE SENATE.

WE, WE WROTE THAT. AND AGAIN, MY INTENT WAS DEPENDING ON HOW EARLY WE FINISHED TODAY, BUT BY END OF DAY TODAY OR TOMORROW, IT WILL BE, IT WILL HAVE MODIFIED THE LETTER TO GO TO THE GOVERNOR THROUGH OUR NORMAL, NORMAL LOBBYIST, MONIQUE WILL SEND IT ON TO LISA HURLEY WHICH WAS KIND OF THAT WAY.

IT WAS OUTSIDE OF THE, THE ATTORNEY TO THE, TO THE SENATE.

WE'LL DO THE SAME MEANING OUTSIDE THAT, NOT OUR ATTORNEY, BUT OUTSIDE OF.

MR. COLE. THIS WAS MORE OF THE NORMAL LOBBYING PROCEDURE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO DO THE SAME THING TO EXCUSE ME TO TO THE GOVERNOR, AND THAT WILL BE SENT OUT BY TOMORROW AND YOU'LL HAVE YOUR COPY OF IT, JUST LIKE WE DID WHEN WE SENT IT TO THE SENATE, BECAUSE REALLY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO MODIFY IT THAT MUCH, JUST THE OPENING TWO PARAGRAPHS, THE CRITERIA THAT THE ARGUMENTS REMAIN THE SAME IN THE BACK SIDE, BUT WE'VE JUST GOT TO FINALIZE IT AND GET IT OUT TO THEM TOMORROW, JUST BASED ON THE TIMING OF TODAY'S WHEN WE'RE GOING TO END THIS MEETING.

YEAH, I THINK WE MIGHT ACTUALLY HAVE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT FIRMER APPROACH FROM THIS COUNCIL OR ACTUALLY TRY AND GET AN APPOINTMENT SOMEHOW WITH THE GOVERNOR. WELL THAT'LL BE YEAH, THAT WAS GOING TO GOING TO BE I ENCOURAGE EACH ONE OF YOU TO DO IT.

IF WE WANT. SOMEBODY WANTS TO HAVE AN APPOINTMENT WITH THE GOVERNOR.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF MISS HURLEY WAS IS TO TO.

BUT I WAS TO SAY, IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO HER TO HELP ARRANGE THE MEETING, THE QUESTION IS WITH.

WHAT SHE BELIEVED, THOUGH, WOULD BE THE GOVERNOR'S STAFF. NOW, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN GET A MEETING WITH THE GOVERNOR, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I ARTICULATE IT IN THE APPROPRIATE WAY. TOO BAD WE COULDN'T HAVE TALKED TO HIM WHEN HE WAS HERE LAST WEEK.

SO ARE YOU COMPLETE? I COULD GO ON, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ON THIS.

4001 WITH THEIR STATE REPRESENTATIVES. THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE.

REALLY? THE PEOPLE HAVE TO TAKE THIS BACK, TOO.

YEAH. NOT ONLY FOR 005, BUT I THINK A BLANKET ACROSS THE STATE.

THE BILLS THAT WERE PASSED REALLY WERE EGREGIOUS TO HOME RULE.

I KNOW FOR 005 IS THE MOST PASSIONATE FOR US.

BUT JUST AFFORDABLE HOUSING LOT SPLIT. I MEAN, WE SHOULD GET A LIST OF THINGS THAT TOGETHER TO GET THAT LIST.

I'M TRYING TO, YOU KNOW. WELL, WE SHOULD WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET YOU A LEGISLATIVE A LEGISLATIVE UPDATE OF WHAT ESPECIALLY THE ANTI WATER

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I MEAN IT'S IT'S LIKE IT'S UNBELIEVABLE. I MEAN WHAT WHAT WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.

AND WE HAD OUR FOCUS ON SEVERAL THINGS, BUT WE RECEIVED A BIG GENERAL LEGISLATIVE UPDATE FROM MISS BARNHART, BUT WE WILL HAVE MISS HURLEY SCHEDULED TO COME AND, AND SPEAK TO US ABOUT THOSE PARTICULAR ITEMS BECAUSE WE NEED TO REALLY, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE TIME THAT WE HAVEN'T DONE IT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HAD TO DO IT, BUT IT MIGHT BE TIME THAT WE HAVE TO FIND SOMEBODY THAT WILL SPONSOR A BILL FOR US AND MOVE FORWARD, JUST LIKE THEY SPONSOR BILLS AGAINST US.

WE MIGHT HAVE TO GET THAT KIND OF, OF SUPPORT IN.

I THINK JUST SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO MORE COORDINATION WITH THE COUNTY, WHAT'S BEST FOR EVERYBODY.

THE SAME THING WITH THE STATE HOUSE. WE REALLY NEED TO BUILD OUR RELATIONSHIP BETTER AND COORDINATE BETTER AND FIND OUT WHAT'S THEIR LOGIC, BECAUSE WE CAN PROBABLY GET FIVE, 600 PEOPLE, RESIDENTS IN HERE TO HEAR IT TOO, AND THEY CAN HEAR DIRECT INPUT LIKE WE'RE HEARING.

I THINK THEIR LOGIC OR NOT, THERE THEY WERE ANNOYED.

WHO'S THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T JUST GAVE THIS MONEY BACK TO THE FAA? THE CITY IS TRYING TO TELL THE FAA HOW TO RUN THEIR BUSINESS.

THESE ARE ARGUMENTS THAT HAVE JUST BEEN THROWN AT ME.

WHEN I BRING UP LOGIC AND JUST SAYING, WELL, THIS IS WHAT YOU ALL DID, YOU WENT OUT OF YOUR WAY TO DO THIS.

YOU WANT TO PICK A FIGHT WITH THE FAA AND THEY'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU WHO'S GOING TO BE BIGGER. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE HEARD IN MY ENTREATIES TO TRY TO SAY, HEY, CAN WE WORK SOMETHING OUT HERE? AND THEN THERE'S THE ELEMENT IN THE CROWD THAT WE CAN'T WORK ANYTHING OUT WITH THEM. JUST WE HAVE TO KILL IT.

AND THAT'S JUST THAT'S A TOUGH PROSPECT. AND POLITICS IS JUST MY WAY OR THE HIGHWAY.

WHEN YOU'RE NOT THE BIGGEST DOG IN THE YARD. WELL THEY'RE I DON'T.

I DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF CLARIFICATION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN THAT THE PUBLIC WAS UNCLEAR ABOUT WITH THE GRANTS.

A LOT OF MISINFORMATION THAT WAS OUT THERE. SO THANK YOU.

YEAH. THE RIGHT THING. SCOTT WOULD HAVE BEEN TO COLLABORATE WITH THIS NEW COUNCIL NOT TO GO DIAL, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE FROM CITY OF NAPLES CALLING PEOPLE OTHER STATE REPS THAT AREN'T EVEN IN OUR, IN THEIR DISTRICT AND GETTING BILLS INTRODUCED AND ALL THAT.

I MEAN, THIS IS, THIS IS A, THE MONEY IS THE RIGHT WAY AND WRONG WAY TO DO THIS.

THE MONEY FOR ALL THAT LITIGATION IS COMING OUT OF PORT ROYAL. THE ONES FIGHT IN THE CITY.

YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. KRAMER WANTED SOMETHING.

THEN WE'LL GO TO. I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY, I THINK IT'S.

YEAH, IT STINKS, AND I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. BUT MOVING FORWARD, THE.

I SAID FROM THE BEGINNING THAT I'D LOVE TO HAVE HIM COME HERE.

AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW THE IMPETUS FOR THIS. RIGHT IN PUBLIC, IN THE SUNSHINE.

TELL US WHAT THE IMPETUS FOR THIS IS. LIKE, WHERE'S THIS COMING FROM? AND BUT NOT JUST FOR THIS ISSUE, I THINK ON A WHOLE BUNCH OF ISSUES THAT WE, I THINK WE GOT ENTRANCED, OTHER PEOPLE GET ENTRANCED AND THEN IT TURNS INTO THIS I ALMOST SAID KIND OF A BAD WORD, A CONTEST AND IT'S NOT PRODUCTIVE.

AND SO THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. AND SO I THINK MOVING FORWARD, I THINK THE THING TO WHEN TO LEARN FROM IT, IN MY VIEW, IS THAT WE EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, WE HAVE TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE COUNTY.

THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE AT THE COUNTY THAT COULD CARE LESS ABOUT 4005.

THEY ARE ALL FOR IT. BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH I JUST KNOW THIS FROM BUMPING INTO WHOEVER PRIVATELY AND YOU'RE LIKE, WOW, HOW CAN THAT BE A GOOD THING? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

JUST IN GENERAL, HOW CAN IT BE A GOOD THING? AND I WILL SAY THIS, I THINK THERE'S FOLKS THAT, THAT VOTED FOR IT THAT WOULD SAY, YEAH, WE DON'T THINK IT'S GOOD STUFF EITHER.

IT'S REGRETTABLE THAT WE HAVE TO DO THIS. THAT'S THE IT'S THE MINDSET.

AND THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE LACK OF TRUST AND RELATIONSHIP.

AND SO I JUST THINK GOING FORWARD TO MY COLLEAGUE'S POINT, I THINK IT'S SPOT ON THAT WE DO NEED TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS AND WE DO NEED TO COLLABORATE AND WE DO NEED TO WE CAN DISAGREE AND, AND, BUT WE CAN'T STOP TALKING AND TRYING TO WORK TOGETHER.

I THINK THAT'S THE PROBLEM. THE MOVERS ARE THE REPS FROM HERE, THE SENATOR AND REPS FROM HERE.

THEY'RE THE MOVERS OF THIS LEGISLATION. OH, I KNOW. SO WITH THAT KRAMER WE DO NEED TO GET AHEAD OF IT.

MR. YOUNG, ON NEXT SESSION BEFORE THE DELEGATION MEETS THAT WE ASK AND INVITE OUR REPRESENTATIVES TO COME AND MEET WITH US HERE TO KRAMER'S POINT.

AND COULD I, I JUST WANTED TO ASK ONE QUESTION FOR A POINT OF CLARITY.

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE LETTER AND I, AS FAR AS OUR REGION'S, DOESN'T CHANGE THE QUESTION.

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SO DO YOU WANT THE LETTER TO CONCLUDE REQUESTING A MEETING? I NEED TO, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO KNOW AND OR DO AM I SAYING A NAPLES DELEGATION WHICH INCLUDES CITY MANAGER AND WHAT, HOW HOW DO YOU WANT ME TO DO THIS? SO I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WANT ME TO.

YEAH, WE CAN DRAW STRAWS, BUT I'M HAPPY TO GO.

I REJECTED I JUST TO TAG ON, BUT LET ME GET THROUGH THAT AND THEN.

OKAY. YES. THANK YOU. BUT VICE MAYOR, THANK YOU TO CONTINUE THE DISCUSSION BECAUSE THIS WAS ON MY, MY LIST FOR THIS REGRETTABLE BILL. 405 OKAY. IT'S JUST SO FRUSTRATING THAT WE'VE HAD A GOVERNANCE PROCESS IN PLACE FOR ALMOST 50 YEARS.

THAT WORKED FOR OUR COMMUNITY. YOU KNOW, THE AIRPORT IS A CITY MUNICIPAL ASSET.

IT BENEFITS CITY RESIDENTS AND OUR GUESTS. IT'S ON CITY LAND.

THE WHOLE GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE AND LEASE WAS SET UP WITH A PURPOSE AND INTERTWINED TO MAKE MAKE THINGS BETTER AND TO NOW HAVE IT POTENTIALLY UNWOUND SO ABRUPTLY WITHOUT INPUT FROM THE CITY COUNCIL.

IT'S JUST HARD TO FATHOM. BUT WE'RE STUCK. THE SENATE PASSED IT AND THEY'RE GETTING READY.

IF THEY HAVEN'T ALREADY, TO SEND IT TO THE GOVERNOR. SO I THINK THERE'S SOME SPECIFIC ACTIONS WE NEED TO TAKE.

WE NEED TO SPRING INTO ACTION ON THIS THING TO TRY TO STOP IT, OR IF WE CAN'T STOP IT, TO TAKE OTHER ACTIONS.

SO I'D LIKE US TO SPECIFICALLY ADD THIS TO THE AGENDA ON WEDNESDAY, SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT MORE IN THE PUBLIC, AND THE PUBLIC WILL HAVE MORE OF AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR AND PARTICIPATE.

AND WE CAN ACTUALLY VOTE ON SOME ACTIONS THAT WE WANT TO TAKE.

PARTLY, IT NEEDS TO BE EDUCATION OF THE PUBLIC.

I DON'T THINK THEY FULLY UNDERSTAND THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS CHANGE THAT WE WOULD GO FROM COUNCIL VETTING QUALIFIED, EXPERIENCED PEOPLE TO RUN THE AIRPORT FOR EFFICIENCY, BUT MOST OF ALL, SAFETY TO MAKE SURE OUR COMMUNITY IS SAFE, SAFE AND WELL SERVED, TO NOW SUBSTITUTE IT FOR POLITICAL CANDIDATES WHO CAN RAISE AND SPEND THE MOST MONEY IS NOT NECESSARILY A GOOD OPTION THAT WE THAT I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WANT. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PUBLIC KNOWS AND CAN DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT SO THAT THEY HOPEFULLY WE CAN ASK THEM TO WRITE THE GOVERNOR, CALL THE GOVERNOR, CALL HIS OFFICE AND ASK THAT IT BE VETOED AS WELL, SO THAT THEY UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT AND WHAT SHOULD BE DONE AND WHAT THEY CAN DO ABOUT IT. AND WE NEED OUR LETTER THAT I KNOW GARY'S WORKING ON.

WE PROBABLY EACH INDIVIDUALLY WANT TO TAILOR OUR OWN LETTERS AND SEND TO HIM THE MEETING.

SHOOT, IF ALL OF US GO, MAYBE THAT MAKES A STATEMENT OF HOW IMPORTANT THIS THING IS TO GO MEET WITH THE GOVERNOR OR HIS STAFF AND TALK ABOUT WHY IT'S SUCH A BIG PROBLEM AND WHY IT SHOULD BE. IT NEEDS TO BE STOPPED.

I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. TIME IS AGAINST US AS SOON AS IT IS SENT.

WE DON'T KNOW WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE SENT FROM THE LEGISLATURE TO THE GOVERNOR.

HE ONLY HAS SO MANY DAYS TO REVIEW IT. HE COULD SIGN IT RIGHT AWAY, OR HE COULD WAIT.

BUT WE NEED TO ACT QUICKLY BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT TIME FRAME IS.

WHILE WE'RE DOING THAT, I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ON WEDNESDAY ABOUT ENGAGING OUR LEGAL COUNSEL FOR HELP BECAUSE TIME IS SHORT. IF IT IS SIGNED AND GOES INTO EFFECT IMMEDIATELY.

WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO CONSIDER THINGS LIKE FILING A LAWSUIT IMMEDIATELY, SEEKING AN INJUNCTION AGAINST IT MOVING FORWARD.

WE CAN'T WAIT UNTIL TO FIND OUT IF AND WHEN THAT HAPPENS.

SO I THINK WE NEED TO HIRE OUR ATTORNEY, WHETHER IT'S THE ATTORNEY WE'VE ALREADY ENGAGED OR SOMEONE ELSE, WE NEED SOMEONE ON BOARD WHO IS BUILDING THE CASE TO CHALLENGE THIS LAWSUIT AS BEING UNCONSTITUTIONAL, OR WHAT OTHER GROUNDS ARE REASONABLE TO OVERTURN IT.

THEN WE ALSO NEED TO CONSIDER AT LEAST ONE MORE OPTION, AND THAT IS HIRING COUNSEL TO LOOK AT OVERTURNING THE LEASE.

CANCELING THE LEASE BECAUSE OF AN UNAPPROVED CHANGE IN CONTROL.

THIS WHOLE THING WAS STRUCTURED BACK IN THE 60S AS AN INTERTWINED SET OF AGREEMENTS FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE CITY AND OUR RESIDENTS, AND TO START TO CHANGE ONE ONE ELEMENT OF IT SO SIGNIFICANTLY TO ME.

AND DOES THE WHOLE THING. AND WE SHOULD LOOK AT POTENTIALLY CANCELING THE LEASE AND BRINGING THE AIRPORT IN HOUSE, JUST LIKE THE COUNTY DOES IT. THE COUNTY CONTROLS AND MANAGES THEIR AIRPORTS.

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YOU CAN HAVE THE SAME BOARD, SAME PEOPLE IF WE WANTED TO.

SAME PEOPLE RUNNING THE AIRPORT, BUT BRING IT WITHIN THE CITY GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE THE WAY THE COUNTY DOES.

AND THEN WE CAN ELIMINATE THESE CONFLICTS OF INTEREST AND MAKE SURE THAT THE AIRPORT IS REALLY RUN FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR RESIDENTS TO MAKE SURE IT IS A SAFE AND EFFICIENT OPERATION. I KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY OTHER OPTIONS THAT YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THAT WE SHOULD BE CONSIDERING, BUT IT'S HARD TO DO THAT TO ME. AND CORRESPONDENCE AND COMMUNICATIONS.

I THINK WE NEED PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT. PUBLIC INPUT.

I'D LIKE. I KNOW WEDNESDAY IS SOON. IT IS SHORT TO PUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS ON THE AGENDA, BUT IT'S JUST I FEEL TIME IS SO CRITICAL BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHEN THIS IS BEING SENT TO THE GOVERNOR AND WHEN HE MIGHT SIGN IT. SO WE NEED TO HAVE OUR OPTIONS IN PLACE.

I DON'T THINK THE PEOPLE OF THE CITY REALIZE THAT THIS PROPOSAL WOULD HAVE PEOPLE IN.

NOT THAT THEY'RE BAD PEOPLE, BUT PEOPLE IN IMMOKALEE, THE ESTATES, EVERGLADES CITY, MARCO ISLAND, YOU NAME IT, ALL ACROSS THE COUNTY, DECIDING WHO RUNS OUR AIRPORT ON CITY LAND IN THE CITY.

FOR THE. THAT IS LARGELY USED BY CITY RESIDENTS AND CITY RESIDENTS, CHILDREN, GRANDCHILDREN, GUESTS AND VISITORS. SO TO HAVE TO GIVE UP CONTROL OF SUCH AN IMPORTANT ASSET, AN IMPORTANT AMENITY TO PEOPLE WHO DON'T HAVE THAT TYPE OF PERSPECTIVE OR VIEWPOINT OR RESPONSIBILITY. WE SHOULD JUST FIGHT THAT.

WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RIGHT GOVERNANCE STRUCTURES IN PLACE FOR THE BENEFIT OF OUR CITY AND BENEFIT OF OUR RESIDENTS.

SO I JUST ASK MAYOR, IF WE COULD PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA FOR WEDNESDAY.

I'M NOT OPPOSED TO A MORE THOROUGH DISCUSSION.

PENMAN. TED, JUST A LITTLE CLARIFICATION. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT PRIVATIZATION? DO YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THAT AS AN OPTION AS WELL? NO, I WAS STILL THINKING IT WOULD BE GOOD TO BREAK THE LEASE.

WE'VE GOT TO WE'VE GOT TO HAVE. I MEAN, TO ME THE DIFFERENCE WAS WE WOULDN'T BE LEASING THE AIRPORT TO A, QUOTE, INDEPENDENT AUTHORITY ANYMORE. WE WOULD BE USING INTERNALLY AS A EFFECTIVELY A DEPARTMENT OF THE CITY.

SO NO LONGER LEASING TO THE N A A. WE WOULD BE BASICALLY LEASING.

THERE WOULD BE NO LEASE TO THE NA. IT WOULD BE A CITY ASSET.

CITY OWNED AND OPERATED AIRPORT. NOW WE COULD AND PROBABLY AGAIN, WE'RE GETTING INTO DETAILS, BUT WE PROBABLY SHOULD WORK WITH THE FAA ON THE RIGHT GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE.

AND THAT CAN BE A VERY SIMILAR BOARD THAT PROVIDES OPERATIONAL OVERSIGHT.

THAT'S VERY SIMILAR QUALIFICATIONS, MAYBE THE SAME OF THE SAME PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE TODAY, MAYBE A FEW DIFFERENT IF THEY IF WE NEED TO.

BUT A QUALIFIED BOARD THAT IS COMMITTED TO RUNNING THE AIRPORT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CITIZENS AND ALL THE STAKEHOLDERS IN A SAFE AND EFFICIENT MANNER AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH WITH FEDERAL LAW, BUT TO THE BENEFIT OF OUR RESIDENTS AND IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR VISION AND OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OUR CODES. IF YOU LOOK BACK HISTORICALLY BACK UP.

LET ME BACK UP A SECOND. OUR ATTORNEY COLE SHOULD BE PREPARED FOR THIS TO GIVE US ANSWERS.

SO I DON'T THINK IT'S THE TURNAROUND IS AN ISSUE.

I MEAN, THEY'VE BEEN LOOKING AT IT. THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE I MEAN, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE US INPUT TO WHAT WE CAN DO AND ANSWER THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE PUT BEFORE YOU THAT YOU HAVE JUST MADE RIGHT NOW.

AND I WOULD ASK AS PART OF THAT, I WOULD ASK HIM OR THEM, YOU KNOW, HIS TEAM TO COME OVER AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND SPEND THE DAY WITH US, MEETING WITH EACH OF US ONE ON ONE, SO THAT WE CAN EACH BE BRIEFED ON WHAT THEY'RE THINKING.

AND THEN ATTORNEY CLIENT PRIVILEGE MANNER, AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK TOGETHER IN A SUN SUNSHINE TYPE MEETING WHERE WE DISCUSS WHICH OPTIONS, WHICH ROUTES WE WANT TO TAKE. BUT IF I HAVEN'T HAD OPTIONS, YEAH, I KNOW I HAVEN'T MET HIM.

I DON'T KNOW IF JOHN OR SCOTT HAVE, BUT WE CAN HAVE THOSE ONE ON ONE SESSIONS TO GET UP TO SPEED, AND EVERYBODY ELSE MIGHT WANT TO TALK MORE ABOUT THE OPTIONS AS WELL.

SO THAT THEN WHEN WE GET TOGETHER TO DISCUSS AND POTENTIALLY VOTE ON OPTIONS, WE'RE ALL INFORMED AND READY.

YEAH, I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO TAKE A CONSENSUS JUST ON ADDING WEDNESDAY CONVERSATION OF 4005.

AND THE CONCERNS THAT YOU MEANT, BUT LET ME BEFORE I GET THAT CONSENSUS OR I WANT TO GET THAT CONSENSUS, JUST THAT WE ADD THIS ITEM TO WEDNESDAY IN A DISCUSSION ON FOUR.

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I'M TRYING TO THINK, YEAH, OKAY. SO YOU WANT TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA FOR WEDNESDAY TO DISCUSS NOW THAT IT'S BEEN APPROVED? YES. WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS? ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE HIRED AN ATTORNEY TO GIVE US INFORMATION ON WHAT OUR NEXT STEPS COULD BE, IF ANY. RIGHT. AND YOU WANT TO REVIEW THOSE.

WELL, IF HE DOESN'T HAVE ANY REVIEW. WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER.

BLANKENSHIP JUST MENTIONED AS POTENTIAL OPTIONS.

I JUST WANT TO KNOW SPECIFICALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING.

OKAY, FINE. YES. SCHULTZ. YEAH. THE FIRST SEEDS OF THIS WERE WHEN I CHANGED THE NAME OF IT FROM METROPOLITAN TO REGIONAL.

THE SEEDS WERE CAST. KARL. YES. NUMBER ONE ON THE LIST, PLEASE.

YES. MAARTEN. YES. MAISA'S. YES. WE NEED TO HAVE.

DISCUSSIONS ARE IMPORTANT. AND THE REALITY IS, IS THAT WE, WITH THE APPROVAL FROM OUR LEGISLATURE WE NEED WE, AS A GOVERNING BODY NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT POTENTIAL NEXT STEPS WE HAVE, IF ANY YOU KNOW, IS IT A VIOLATION OF OUR CONSTITUTION? IS IT A VIOLATION OF OUR LEASE? I MEAN, THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE QUESTIONS WE HAVE TO HAVE ANSWERED. AND NONE OF US HAVE THOSE ANSWERS SITTING UP HERE ON THE DAIS. AND WITHOUT THOSE ANSWERS, WE DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE A NEXT STEP.

SO THE ANSWER IS YES, AND WE MIGHT. I NEED TO ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY IF HE HAS AN UPDATE OR THE CITY MANAGER HAS AN UPDATE, BUT WE CAN'T VOTE ON ANYTHING TODAY. THAT'S WHY I WANT TO ADD IT TO AN ITEM IF THERE'S ACTION TO BE TAKEN FOR WEDNESDAY.

YEAH, DISCUSSIONS ON WEDNESDAY IS WHAT THE CONSENSUS WAS.

CORRECT. THANK YOU. YES. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT IT IN COMMUNICATIONS ANYWAY, SO WE MIGHT AS WELL ADD IT. BUT I WISH IT COULD BE NUMBER ONE.

BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE NEED TO IF THERE'S ANYBODY THAT PETITIONERS OR WHATEVER ELSE, WE NEED TO LET THEM GET OUT OF HERE AND GO TO WORK.

AND SOMEBODY HAD TO MISS WORK TO COME HERE IN THE PAST. LIKE, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE FIRST ON THE AGENDA. I THINK WE SHOULD TAKE CARE OF FOLKS THAT ARE WE'RE ALREADY IN THE QUEUE. YEAH. MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THERE, IS THERE ANY TYPE OF ADVERTISING ISSUE THAT WE LIKE, WE HAVE TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING IT. IS THAT NOT A THING? WE CAN ADD IT ON WEDNESDAY. WELL, MADAM MAYOR, I WAS GOING TO I WAS GOING TO INTERCEDE ON THAT.

SO IF I HAVE CONSENSUS, I WOULD LIKE TO DO A SUPPLEMENT TOMORROW, GET A COPY OF THE BILL.

PUT A COVER LETTER TO IT AND TAKE IT THROUGH THAT NORMAL PROCESS SO THAT IT IS DELINEATED BEFORE WE WALK IN THE ROOM.

PERFECT. THANK YOU. SO. SO MY ANSWER IS YES, DEFINITELY TO TALK ABOUT IT.

THANK YOU. MR. YOUNG, YOU HAD SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THIS ITEM.

JUST THAT I WAS WHAT I WAS WAITING ON. OKAY. THANK YOU.

NOT MR. MCCONNELL. MR.. MR.. DICKMAN? YES. JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THIS AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE, OUR FIRM HAS BEEN VERY ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN HELPING YOU REDRAFT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS REGARDING THE AIRPORT FROM THE TIME THAT WE MADE OUR INITIAL OPINION REGARDING THE SPECIFIC ISSUE THAT WAS UP AND AT THE SAME TIME WHEN THE HOUSE BILL CAME ABOUT. SO THESE TYPES OF QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN HAPPENING AMONG THE LAWYERS AND THE LAWYERS ARE JAMIE COLE THAT YOU RETAINED.

AND ALSO ANDREW BARR IS YOUR ATTORNEY. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE GRAY ROBINSON ATTORNEYS THAT ARE DOING THE LOBBYING.

BUT A LOT OF THESE TYPES OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, OKAY, WHAT'S THE STRATEGY IF THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN, WHAT DO WE DO? CONVERSATIONS HAVE BEEN TAKING PLACE AMONG THE LAWYERS.

IT'S A LITTLE TRICKY TO I GUESS, SPEAK PUBLICLY ABOUT A LOT OF THOSE THINGS.

BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THOSE, A LOT OF THOSE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN CIRCULATING IN MY MIND QUITE A BIT, AND NOT JUST ON DEALING WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS, BUT HAVING TO DEAL WITH QUESTIONS ABOUT THE CITY.

IS THE PROPERTY OWNER. THERE IS A LEASE. THERE'S A LANDLORD TENANT ISSUE HERE.

WE LOTS OF TOPICS, BUT I GUESS WHAT I WOULD ALSO SAY IS THAT SO A LETTER IS GOING TO GO TO THE GOVERNOR AND PERHAPS INDIVIDUALLY YOU ALL WILL BE COMMUNICATING WITH THE GOVERNOR GOING UP THERE.

SO JUST BE AWARE OF THAT ON WEDNESDAY WHEN YOU'RE SPEAKING, BECAUSE THIS IS REALLY THE FINAL STEP.

LIKE IF, IF THAT GETS APPROVED OR IT IS NOT VETOED.

IN OTHER WORDS, THEN THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO TRIGGER A DECISION ABOUT WHAT, WHAT ARE THE NEXT STEPS?

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IT'S GOING TO BE REPLAYED IN OTHER PLACES. SO JUST BE AWARE OF THAT.

I MEAN, BUT I THINK YOUR THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE ASKING ARE RIGHT ARE THE RIGHT QUESTIONS.

IT IS CITY PROPERTY, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. MAY I ADD THAT I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT IF ANY OF US ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT DISCUSS, HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY BEFORE WEDNESDAY.

I PLAN ON DOING IT. YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S FINE.

AND AGAIN, I DON'T AT THIS POINT, I DON'T WANT TO US TO GAG ANYONE BUT ANYBODY ON A GAG ORDER BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY OUT THERE. WHAT'S GOING ON? BUT I REALLY DON'T WANT TO DISCLOSE ALL THE DIFFERENT STRATEGIES THAT I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT AND TALKING ABOUT WITH THE OTHER LAWYERS, AND MAYBE THAT IS A BETTER IDEA TO HAVE EACH INDIVIDUAL COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE A ONE ON ONE WITH THE ATTORNEY TEAM, SO THAT YOU COULD BE BRIEFED ON THE THINGS THAT WE'VE RUN DOWN AND THINGS WE'VE RESEARCHED AND WE FEEL GOOD ABOUT OR BAD ABOUT, SO FORTH AND SO ON. I JUST DON'T WANT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION HERE.

AND WE CAN'T DO IT IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION IF THERE'S NOT LITIGATION, IS THERE ANY WAY FOR THOSE CONVERSATIONS TO HAPPEN BEFORE WEDNESDAY? YEAH, WE WE CAN HAVE SOME PHONE CALLS. I DON'T KNOW THE AVAILABILITY OF MR. BARR OR MR. COLE. BUT CERTAINLY MATTHEW AND I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS WITH BOTH OF THEM FOR THE LAST SIX MONTHS SINCE WE'VE BEEN WRAPPED UP WITH THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THEN THE HOUSE BILL.

BUT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH YOU ALL.

I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THEIR AVAILABILITY. OKAY. OKAY.

I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. CONTINUE. VICE MAYOR. THAT'S IT RIGHT NOW.

OKAY. YEAH. QUESTION. YES. CLEARLY THIS IS IMPORTANT.

AND I WE'RE IMPOSING SORT OF AN ARTIFICIAL DEADLINE ON OURSELVES OF WEDNESDAY.

I THINK FOR ALL OF US TO MEET WITH ALL OF THESE ATTORNEYS AND HAVE SOME CLAIRVOYANCE HERE AS TO EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON IS REALLY IMPORTANT, AND I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE SOME FALSE DEADLINE THAT WE HAVE TO DO THIS ON WEDNESDAY.

IF WE HAVE TO CALL A SPECIAL SESSION HAVING TO DO WITH THE AIRPORT, THAT WOULD BE FINE, BUT I'D HATE TO SEE US, ANYBODY NOT HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEND AS MUCH TIME AS THEY WANT TO WITH OUR ATTORNEYS IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON, SO I WOULD. THAT'S RIGHT. NO, I THINK THAT'S GOOD ADVICE.

BUT HAVING IT ON WEDNESDAY IS A SECURE SPOT. AND IF WE FEEL LIKE WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO MOVE FORWARD, I, I'M WITH VICE MAYOR THAT WE HAVE TO ACT AND WE HAVE TO ACT QUICKLY.

BECAUSE TIME IS OF ESSENCE RIGHT NOW. OKAY. THEY'RE COMPLETE.

YEAH. AND WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE A FOLLOW UP SESSION IF WE CAN'T, IF WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION WE NEED ON WEDNESDAY TO MAKE DECISIONS.

WE COULD ALWAYS SCHEDULE A SPECIAL SESSION FOLLOW UP.

I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE ONE ON ONE MEETINGS OR ONE ON TEAM MEETINGS, SO WE CAN EACH UNDERSTAND THE POTENTIAL STRATEGIES BEFORE WE TIP OUR HAND. YES, I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL.

I DON'T I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE.

I THINK TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE TO GET TO THE GOVERNOR'S OFFICE AND TRY TO GET A MESSAGE ACROSS.

I THINK THAT'S FOR SURE. TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE, BUT I THINK THAT WILL BE THE TRIGGER ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS THERE IN TERMS OF LIKE, WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? OKAY. BUT YEAH, WE CAN START TALKING WITH MR. BARR AND MR. COLE ABOUT ORGANIZING MEETINGS VIRTUALLY OR ON THE PHONE.

SO THAT OR EVEN HERE ONE ON ONE SO THAT YOU CAN ASK THE QUESTIONS DIRECTLY OF THEM.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. CORRESPONDENCE, MR. DICKMAN. THE ONLY THING I'LL SAY IS THAT SORRY TO POP IN LIKE THIS, BUT AS YOU KNOW, MATTHEW IS EXPECTING, AND HE WILL BE IN THIS MONTH, IN APRIL, GOING TO SOME APPOINTMENTS THAT HE SHOULDN'T MISS.

AND SO FORGIVE ME IF I'M GOING TO POP IN EVERY NOW AND THEN AND COME OFF THE BENCH FOR A FEW HOURS.

SO THAT'S IT. GREAT. THANK YOU. MR. YOUNG. YEAH, A COUPLE THINGS.

MAYOR. SO AS WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE WATER PARK MY UNDERSTANDING MR.

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SO I WILL GET YOU THE PLANNING MEETING, BUT I DID WANT TO LET YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT CORRESPONDENCE AS I MENTIONED MISS PATTERSON INDICATED THAT THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A JOINT WORKSHOP. NOW, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED.

FIRST OF ALL, I MENTIONED THE NUMBER OF LIMITED MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE ON OUR SCHEDULE.

IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOUR IS IT A SPECIAL MEETING ACCEPTABLE UNDER YOU? AND DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE IN TERMS OF MONTHS OR MEANING? APRIL. MAY. I JUST WANTED TO GET AN IDEA OF, OF YOUR DESIRE TO DO THAT.

I, AGAIN, IF YOU HAD A PREFERENCE MONTH, I WOULD GO BACK TO AMY TOMORROW AND TRY TO REPORT BACK TO YOU ON WEDNESDAY.

I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE WHAT IF YOU'RE WILLING TO HAVE A SEPARATE MEETING OR WHAT WE WERE WILLING TO DO.

I THINK THAT WITH COUNCIL'S CONSENSUS, WE IT NEEDS TO BE A SPECIAL MEETING, NOT, NOT A PART OF ONE OF OUR MEETINGS.

WE NEED TO BE VERY SPECIFIC. SO I THINK THAT'S GOING TO DEPEND ON, ARE YOU GATHERING THE INFORMATION AND BEING PREPARED? AND US DISCUSSING IT BEFORE WE GO TO THAT. LOGISTICALLY, DO YOU WANT TO PROPOSE A ONE ON ONE ON ONE MEETING? SO ONE THERE, ONE HERE OR YOU OR YOU OR JUST ONE AND YOU'LL SEE WHERE IT GOES.

I JUST, I'M SURE THEY'LL WANT TO DO IT AT THEIR LOCATION AND THEY'RE MORE SET UP FOR IT.

I JUST WANTED TO SEE, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT YOU YOU HAD A DESIRE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT HERE.

IF THAT'S AGREEABLE TO MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, THAT THEY WOULD WE WOULD INVITE THEM HERE.

THE LAST ONE WAS THERE. YES, I CAN I HAVE NODS OF CONSENSUS.

THEY KNOW THAT HERE WE HAVE TO GO THERE. THEN WE SHOULD GO THERE TOO. RIGHT.

BUT AS A HOST, WE WENT THERE LAST TIME AND FOR THEM TO COME HERE BUT WHEN DO THEY GO OUT OF SESSION.

WELL, I BELIEVE ACCORDING TO MY DISCUSSIONS WITH AMY, THEY HAVEN'T GONE OUT OF SESSION THE LAST TWO YEARS.

SO I WANT TO GET CONFIRMATION OF THAT. BUT THAT WAS THE LAST I HAD HEARD.

SO I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW TIME WISE IF WE HAVE TO.

MAYBE WE MAKE THAT SPECIAL MEETING AT THE END OF OUR JUNE TIMELINE AND LOOK AT SOME DATES THEN.

YEAH. I'LL REACH OUT TO HER AND SEE WHAT, WHAT SHE HAD IN MIND.

AND THEN WE'LL, I'LL CIRCLE BACK ON WEDNESDAY.

THE GOVERNOR DOESN'T WANT TO CLOSE THE SESSION BECAUSE HE'S TRYING TO GET HIS PROPERTY TAX BILL.

YEAH. I'M SORRY. YEAH. COUNCIL MEMBER GOVERNOR WANTS TO KEEP THE LINE OPEN SO HE CAN GET HIS PROPERTY TAX CUT BILL DONE TO PUT HIM IN THE HUNT WITH RUBIO AND JD VANCE.

IF HE GETS PROPERTY TAX RELIEF FOR EVERYBODY, HE BELIEVES THAT'S GOING TO GET HIM BACK IN THE HUNT FOR THE BIG OFFICE.

MAKES SENSE. JUST JUST STRATEGY. I'M NOT SAYING THIS IS RIGHT.

I DON'T AGREE WITH IT. THIS IS JUST WHAT I HEAR.

OKAY, I'LL CIRCLE BACK ON WEDNESDAY WITH SOME DATES FROM THEM.

THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. IF NOT, YES, I DO HAVE TWO OTHER.

JUST ONE IS TO FORESHADOW THE APRIL 1ST MEETING.

I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THE CITY ATTORNEY AND I WERE APPROACHED BY ANDY PENEV.

I HOPE I PRONOUNCED THAT RIGHT FROM THE AVENUE.

RELATED TO A C PACE PROGRAM OR COMMERCIAL PACE PROGRAM THAT IS PART OF HIS FUNDING PACKAGE.

SO I WOULD REMIND YOU, IN 2018 THAT COUNCIL PASSED A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE PACE, BUT THE AGREEMENT WAS NEVER EXECUTED FROM A COMMERCIAL PERSPECTIVE. SO THIS APPLICATION FOR US TO SIGN THE AGREEMENT HAS COME IN.

BUT BASED ON THE DURATION OF TIME, I'M GOING TO ASK THAT THE C PACE PROVIDER COME TO MAKE A PRESENTATION BEFORE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL AND THAT MR. PENEV CIRCLE BACK WITH MEMBERS OF COUNCIL TO EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS ABOUT.

I WILL BE DISSEMINATING THE RESOLUTION AND ALL OF THAT.

AND I FIGURE BECAUSE BY CONSENSUS, YOU DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON A RESOLUTION, YOU DON'T HAVE TO EXTEND THE RESOLUTION.

IT'S JUST SIX YEARS LATER OR EIGHT YEARS LATER.

AND IF THIS BODY NEEDS TO KNOW BEFORE THE CITY ATTORNEY AND I ARE GOING TO EXECUTE A NEW AGREEMENT UNDER AN EIGHT YEAR ORDINANCE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO FORESHADOW THAT FOR YOU IN CASE YOU GET AN EMAIL OR WHEN THE EMAILS COME THROUGH WITH THE RESOLUTIONS REFRESHING YOU AS TO WHAT THAT'S ABOUT.

YOU SAID C PACE. YEAH, WELL, IT'S PACE, BUT IT'S COMMERCIAL PACE INSTEAD OF RESIDENTIAL PACE PROGRAM.

IT IS A COMMERCIAL, MEANING FUNDING ONLY FOR COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.

SO I JUST WANTED TO FORESHADOW THAT. AND ON A SEPARATE NOTE, SO AS YOU KNOW FROM TIME TO TIME OUR HUD PROPERTIES, JASMINE, K AND THEM, THEY'LL GET REFINANCING OPPORTUNITIES.

AND WE'VE HAD TO PASS RESOLUTIONS THAT ALLOW FOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE LEASE TO COMPLY WITH NEW HUD REGULATIONS,

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FINE. SO I JUST WANTED TO GET KNEE JERK REACTION BEFORE WE WASTE ANY TIME.

AMEND THE LEASE TO COMPLY WITH HUD OR OPEN IT UP.

PLEASE LET ME KNOW YOUR. IF YOU COULD. AND THEN IT JUST CONSOLIDATES TIME RATHER THAN DRAFT SOMETHING WE'RE NEVER GOING TO DO.

SO THE QUESTION IS, DO THEY WANT TO BUY THE PROPERTY RATHER THAN HAVE THE LEASE THAT THEY HAVE? SO THEY WOULD OWN THE LAND. AND THE SIMPLEST ANSWER IS NO.

IF YOU WANT TO KEEP IT NOW AGAIN, THEY CAN YOU KNOW THEIR STATEMENTS WELL.

YOU CAN STILL GUARANTEE IT'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING. BUT AGAIN, ONCE IT'S OUT OF YOUR HANDS, I'LL LET YOU ALL SPEAK TO THAT.

AS FAR AS THAT PART, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S A SIMPLE.

HOW DO I SAY I'M NOT TRYING TO INFLUENCE YOUR DECISION. IT'S AS SIMPLE AS WRITING AND SAY, YES, WE'LL AMEND THE LANGUAGE TO COMPLY WITH HUD.

BUT NO, WE WANT TO KEEP THE LEASE AGREEMENT OR YOU WON'T EVEN ENTERTAIN IT TO HEAR FROM THEM.

I'M JUST TRYING TO STREAMLINE THIS. SO WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF OF, OF COUNCIL TIME ON IT.

WELL, I'LL JUST SAY NO. I WOULD NEVER GIVE UP THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY.

NOR SHOULD WE GIVE UP ANY VALUABLE PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT HAS POTENTIAL.

BUT WHAT TO COMPLY WITH HUD? YEAH. BECAUSE WHEN THEY REFINANCE IT, IF IT SAYS HUD STIPULATIONS TO IT, THERE'S CERTAIN LANGUAGES THAT HAVE TO BE CHANGED ALONG WITH IT AND THEIR REFINANCING AGAIN.

SO WE WOULD HAVE TO AMEND THE AGREEMENT TO BRING THAT LANGUAGE INTO IT.

IT'S A VERY STRAIGHTFORWARD PROCESS, BUT I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T.

AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT THE ASK WAS. I WANTED TO JUST MAKE SURE I, I THOUGHT I KNEW THE ANSWER, BUT I WANTED YOU TO, TO TELL ME WHAT YOU WHETHER OR NOT YOU EVEN WANTED IT OPENED UP OR JUST BRING US THE AMENDMENTS AND KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS? COULD WE TAKE A LOOK AT IT? BUT WHATEVER YOU'RE WANTING TO BRING TO US.

OR ARE YOU JUST. THERE'S NOTHING. WELL, IT'S JUST A I MEAN, IT'S REALLY A THEORETICAL QUESTION.

YOU ARE THE HOLDER OF THE LAND. YOU GUARANTEE THAT IT STAYS AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

YOU HAVE, I THINK, A 90 YEAR LEASE OR WHATEVER IT IS.

THE FACT THEY'RE REFINANCING IT SHOULDN'T CHANGE MY OPINION ON IT.

OR YOU'RE WILLING TO TO DISCUSS THAT. YOU WANT TO CHANGE YOUR OPINION TO, TO SAY WHETHER YOU'D WANT TO SELL.

I DIDN'T THINK IT WARRANTED A COUNCIL ITEM AT THIS JUST AT THE LAST MINUTE WHERE I COULD JUST GET THE WORK DONE.

AND THAT WAS THE REASON I BROUGHT IT UP. I DON'T WANT TO. I DON'T WANT TO SELL IT.

YEAH, YEAH, WE NEED TO. WE SHOULD RETAIN CONTROL OF THAT.

WE DID NOT CALL IT. I WOULD AT LEAST KNOW THE THE OPTIONS BEFORE I MAKE A DECISION.

LIKE WHAT ARE THEY OFFERING TO PAY FOR IT AND WHAT WOULD BE THE BENEFIT OF KEEPING IT VERSUS SELLING IT AND WHAT THE FUNDS WOULD BE USED FOR.

SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE EVALUATING IT FOR. BENEFIT BECAUSE WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF CHANGING IT.

WHETHER IT WAS OR WHAT IT IS. I THINK THIS WAS JUST A WAY OF TRYING TO GET TO ANSWERING.

DO YOU HAVE ANY. IS THERE ANY REASON FOR. I GUESS I CAN COME BACK.

I'M NOT GOING TO DO AN ANALYSIS OF A BUILDING THAT I'M NOT TRYING TO REFINANCE, NOR AM I TRYING TO ADD AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO.

TO TELL YOU WHETHER OR NOT YOU EITHER WANT TO HOLD ON TO THE BUILDING, THE GUARANTEE IT STAYS THAT WAY, OR REGARDLESS OF WHO THE OWNERS ARE, OR YOU WANT TO SAY, YES, LET'S AND LET THAT PROCESS TAKE CARE OF ITSELF.

I'M NOT TRYING TO BE SHORT WITH YOU, MR. COLE. I JUST I DON'T THINK IT BEGS CITY BECAUSE THEY'RE DOING A REFINANCING TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO TO EVEN ENTERTAIN IT, BUT I WILL IF THAT'S THE CHARGE OF THIS. COUNCIL.

WELL, SO FAR THERE'S THREE. YEAH, BUT BUT ALL THE CITY OWNS.

IS THE LAND CORRECT? YEAH. IT'S JUST A MATTER.

DO YOU WANT TO RETAIN IT AND CONTINUE TO LEASE IT? OR DO YOU WANT TO ENTERTAIN THE POSSIBILITY OF SELLING IT? I WANT TO CLARIFY, WE OWN THE LAND AND THE BUILDINGS.

THEY ARE JUST THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY.

WELL, BUT THE YOU, THEY HAVE A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY.

THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT COMPANY DOES NOT REFINANCE THE LOAN.

THE PROPERTY OWNERS. THAT'S WHY DETAILS OF REFINANCING ALONE IS IRRELEVANT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SELL THE PROPERTY.

BUT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE THEY REFINANCING SO THEY COULD ADD IMPROVEMENTS.

WELL, THEY HAVE LOANS ON THE BUILDING IF YOU.

YEAH. THEY HAVE. YES. IT'S. YES. WELL, AND THEY CAN ALSO PACKAGE IT AND LEVERAGE IT AGAINST OTHER PROPERTIES.

I'M NOT GETTING INTO THEIR PORTFOLIO EITHER. I'M OKAY.

I WAS REALLY TRYING TO STREAMLINE THE CONVERSATION.

YOU'RE ASKING WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO HAVE HIM COME BACK.

COME FORWARD? NO. HE WANTS TO KNOW WHETHER WE WANT TO SELL THAT PROPERTY OR NOT.

THEN HE WOULD HAVE TO COME BACK. SCHULZ SAYS, NO, LINDA.

I MEAN, OKAY, VICE MAYOR. I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO.

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I'M NOT TRYING TO. YEAH. YOU CAN FIND OUT MORE INFORMATION FROM THE CITY MANAGER.

I BELIEVE I HAVE CONSENSUS. THANK YOU. YES YOU DO.

OH I'M SORRY. I'M JUST BREATHING HEAVY. I BELIEVE THAT WAS IT FOR ME, MA'AM.

OKAY. I KNOW PUBLIC COMMENT HAS BEEN CLOSED, BUT I JUST NOW GOT A SLIP FROM JOE MIGLIARA.

WELL, THAT WOULD BE UNUSUAL TO OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT IF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE COMMENTS THAT WERE SENT TO US FROM 4005.

I'LL LET YOU TAKE MY SPOT ON CORRESPONDENCE AND COMMUNICATIONS.

IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK. I APOLOGIZE.

THE MIC IS ON. YES. YEAH. JOAO MIGLIARA, FOURTH AVENUE SOUTH.

AND AGAIN, I APOLOGIZE. I GOT A SEQUENCE HERE, BUT HERE I AM.

AND I JUST WANTED TO TIE IN TO THE VICE MAYOR'S COMMENT.

THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE CITY WHO ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT LOSING CONTROL OF THE AIRPORT, BUT THERE'S AN AWFUL LOT OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HECK IS GOING ON. AND ONE SUGGESTION I WOULD MAKE, AND I HOPE YOU TAKE IT SERIOUSLY, THE LETTER IS FINE IN MY OPINION, BUT IF EVERYBODY HERE SHOWED UP IN TALLAHASSEE TO MEET WITH THE GOVERNOR, BRING THE PRESS WITH YOU, IT WILL MAKE HEADLINES AND EVERYBODY IN THE CITY WILL KNOW ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON.

SECOND THING, JUNE 12TH IS A CRITICAL DATE. THAT'S A DATE FOR CANDIDATES FOR THE NOVEMBER ELECTION 2026 TO QUALIFY, INCLUDING THOSE WHO WOULD RUN FOR THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY.

SO IF YOU'RE NOT CONSIDERING A TRO TO STOP THIS, THAT'S YOUR THAT'S YOUR SOONEST DEADLINE.

AND IF PEOPLE REGISTER TO BE ON THAT BALLOT AND IF THE BALLOT IS CREATED AND THERE'S SEVERAL NAMES ON THERE FROM THE COUNTY, PERHAPS THE CITY, YOU TRY TO STOP THAT AFTER THAT FACT, YOU ARE IN TROUBLE LEGALLY.

12TH OF JUNE. AND THANK YOU AGAIN, I APPRECIATE I GOT OUT OF SEQUENCE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

GOOD POINTS. AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO CLARIFY LEGALLY IS HOW THAT PROCESS WOULD MOVE FORWARD IF WE DIDN'T.

IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY SUCCESS ON THE EAR OF THE GOVERNOR.

OKAY. WITH THAT COUNCIL GREAT MEETING AND WE ARE ADJOURNED TILL WEDNESDAY 18TH.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.