Mar 04, 2026 City Council Regular Meeting

[1) CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL]

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GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO THIS REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING.

MARCH 4TH, 2026. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.

COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. KRULL HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN HERE.

COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ, VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP, MAYOR HARTMAN HERE.

THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ WILL BE JOINING US A LITTLE LATER, AND VICE MAYOR HAS AN EXCUSED ABSENCE.

WITH THAT WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE PASTOR JAMES HENDERSON WITH CELEBRATION COMMUNITY CHURCH FOR THE INVOCATION.

[2) INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

ALWAYS GOOD TO SEE YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. AS ALWAYS. WE KNOW IT'S NOT AN EASY THING FOR YOU TO DO.

BUT I KNOW YOU DO IT BECAUSE YOU LOVE IT. THANK YOU.

LET'S PRAY. DEAR HEAVENLY FATHER, THIS MORNING I ASK THAT YOU WOULD.

EVERYONE IN THIS CHAMBER WOULD JUST SLOW DOWN FOR JUST ONE MOMENT AND LET'S BEGIN THIS DAY AND PAUSE TO LIFT UP EVERY SERVICEMAN AND EVERY SERVICE WOMAN IN THE UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES SERVING OUR NATION AT HOME AND ABROAD AROUND THE WORLD.

WE PRAY FOR THEIR SAFETY, FOR THEIR STRENGTH, AND FOR YOUR PROTECTION OVER THEM AS THEY SERVE AROUND THE GLOBE.

WE GIVE THANKS FOR THEIR COURAGE, FOR THEIR SACRIFICE, AND THEIR WILLINGNESS TO STAND WATCH SO THAT WE MIGHT LIVE IN FREEDOM AND PEACE.

BLESS THEM, LORD, ALONG WITH THEIR FAMILIES THAT SHARE IN THAT SACRIFICE AND REMIND US NEVER TO TAKE THEIR SERVICE FOR GRANTED.

LORD, WE ALSO THANK YOU FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF LIVING IN A PLACE LIKE NAPLES AND FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE IN THIS COMMUNITY.

WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR THOSE WHO STEP FORWARD AND LEAD AND CARRY THE RESPONSIBILITY OF PUBLIC SERVICE.

AS THIS COUNCIL GATHERS TODAY, WE ASK FOR YOUR WISDOM TO GUIDE EVERY CONVERSATION, EVERY DISCUSSION.

MAY THE WORK DONE HERE REFLECT INTEGRITY, FAIRNESS, AND A SINCERE DESIRE TO SERVE THE COMMON GOOD.

FINALLY, LORD, WE ASK YOUR BLESSING UPON THIS PARTICULAR MEETING AND UPON THE PEOPLE OF NAPLES.

HELP US TO REMEMBER THAT A COMMUNITY IS STRONGEST WHEN NEIGHBORS CARE FOR ONE ANOTHER AND WORK TOGETHER WITH COMPASSION AND UNDERSTANDING.

MAY UNITY RISE ABOVE DIVISION. MAY WISDOM GUIDE THE PATH FORWARD, AND MAY EVERYTHING DONE HERE TODAY BRING HONOR TO YOU AND SERVE THE PEOPLE OF THIS CITY WELL. IN THE NAME OF GOD. AMEN. AMEN. PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE.

I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.

ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

GOOD MORNING, MR. YOUNG. IN SETTING THE AGENDA, DO YOU.

[3) SET AGENDA (add or remove items)]

TWO ITEMS I WANT TO MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT ON.

ITEM 14 IS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION THAT WILL BE HELD AT 12:30 P.M..

AND THEN I WOULD REQUEST A CHANGE TO PLACE AGENDA ITEM 14 A, WHICH IS A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING A DONATION OF $250,000 FROM THE AHMANSON FAMILY FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONTRIBUTING MATCHING FUNDS TO THE LOUDERMILK PARK.

I WOULD ASK THAT THAT ITEM BE MOVED AHEAD OF ITEM TEN A, WHICH IS A DISCUSSION AND SELECTION OF THE SAMDOE AWARD.

I JUST WANT TO DO THAT WHILE THE GENEROUS PEOPLE, THE FAMILIES HERE FROM THE GENEROUS DONATION, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THAT BEFORE GETTING INTO THE DAILY EVENTS.

SO THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE COUNCIL TO ADD AN UPDATE AT THE END OF THE AGENDA ON OUR LEGISLATIVE ISSUES. JUST FOR AN UPDATE, ANY OTHER CHANGES OR.

TO THE AGENDA? COUNCIL. MR. MCCONNELL. NO, JUST A QUESTION FOR THE CLERK.

DO YOU WANT TO IDENTIFY COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ? GETTING HERE. HE ENTERED THE MEETING AT 8:36 A.M..

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO THAT WOULD BE. 14 F ADDING 14 F. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITH CHANGES? SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON AND A SECOND BY COUNCILWOMAN PENMAN.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNED BY I, I OPPOSED. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL. THAT TAKES US TO ANNOUNCEMENTS AND PRESENTATIONS.

[4.A) Do the Right Thing Presentation.]

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WELCOME TO OUR MARCH 2026 DO THE RIGHT THING AWARD CEREMONY.

FIRST UP, I'D LIKE TO BRING UP OUR CORPORAL JOHN READHEAD OF THE CITY OF NAPLES POLICE DEPARTMENT.

HE'S REPRESENTING THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE LODGE 38.

LODGE 38 IS OUR SPONSOR OF THE MONTH. LODGE 38 HAS DONE SOME AMAZING THINGS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

THEY SPONSOR OUR SHOP WITH A COP, OUR SANTA WITH A BADGE, AND MANY, MANY OTHER COMMUNITY ORIENTED PROGRAMS WITHIN THE CITY.

FOR THOSE IN NEED. SO, JOHN, THANK YOU. AND THE FRATERNAL ORDER OF POLICE FOR THEIR SUPPORT OF THIS PROGRAM.

WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO.

FIRST UP IS FROM NAPLES HIGH. FABIAN. CASEROS VAZQUEZ FABIAN TOLD ME THERE MAY BE A CHANCE THAT HE WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND THIS MORNING, AND SURE ENOUGH, HE'S NOT. SO I'LL GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHY HE'S BEING HONORED.

THIS MORNING, FABIAN FOUND A PLATINUM CREDIT CARD ON THE GROUND AND TURNED IT IN.

IT JUST SO HAPPENED TO BELONG TO ANOTHER NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL STUDENT.

I FOUND OUT FROM MOM YESTERDAY THAT THIS CARD HAD A $10,000 LIMIT ON IT, AND THEY HAD NO IDEA THAT IT EVEN HAD BEEN LOST.

FABIAN BROUGHT THE CAR TO THE OFFICE AND IMMEDIATELY THE ADMINISTRATION RECOGNIZED THE NAME.

THE STUDENT THAT HAD LOST THE CARD IS NOT ALLOWED TO CARRY THAT $10,000 CREDIT CARD ANYMORE.

JUSTIFIED. AT THE END OF THE DAY, FABIAN DID NOT HAVE TO TURN IT IN.

HE COULD HAVE GONE ON A MAJOR SHOPPING SPREE FROM A MALL THAT'S WITHIN SIGHT OF NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL, BUT HE CHOSE NOT TO. IT'S LITTLE THINGS LIKE THIS THAT SHOW THE IMMENSE CHARACTER AND.

NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL IS SO PROUD OF FABIAN FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. NEXT UP FROM SAINT ANN'S SCHOOL IS DARIA ZAYTSEVA. SO THIS SUBMISSION WAS WAS PRESENTED TO THE BOARD BY ME. DARIA ZAYTSEVA ATTENDS SAINT ANNE'S CATHOLIC SCHOOL.

DARIUS KINDNESS AND WILLINGNESS TO HELP OTHERS EXEMPLIFIES THE CORE VALUES TAUGHT AT SAINT ANNE'S.

ONE OF MY DUTIES IS EVERY FRIDAY I GO TO SAINT ANNE'S SCHOOL AND WALK THE CHILDREN TO MASS, FROM THE SCHOOL TO THE MASS, AND THEN I STAY WITH THEM AT MASS.

DARIA, EVERY FRIDAY, WITHOUT FAIL, COMES TO ME, EXTENDS HER ARMS FOR A HUG, TELLS ME SHE LOVES ME.

THANK YOU FOR BEING A POLICE OFFICER AND GOD BLESS YOU.

NO MATTER WHAT'S GOING ON DURING MY DAY, THAT CHANGES IT.

SO, DARIA, THANK YOU FOR MAKING MY FRIDAYS A BETTER PLACE.

NEXT UP FROM GULFVIEW MIDDLE SCHOOL, MARSHALL DUNN.

OKAY. MARSHALL IS A STUDENT IN THE IB PROGRAM AT GULFVIEW MIDDLE SCHOOL.

ONE AFTERNOON, A TEACHER FOUND OUT THAT THEY HAD A FLAT TIRE.

WELL, LITTLE DID ANYONE KNOW, BUT MARSHALL KNOWS A LITTLE SOMETHING ABOUT THAT.

MARSHALL WENT OUT TO THE TEACHER'S CAR AND ASSISTED IN PLUGGING THAT FLAT TIRE.

SO THE TEACHER, AFTER A LONG DAY OF TEACHING WAS ABLE TO GET HOME WITHOUT DELAY.

THAT'S ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. AMAZING. THANK YOU FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING.

FROM NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL. ANDRE. FERDINAND. SO I'M GOING TO READ TO YOU WHAT COACH MARTIN FROM NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL SUBMITTED FOR ANDRE.

ANDRE FERDINAND EXEMPLIFIES THE BEST OF NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL THROUGH HIS SERVANT LEADERSHIP, HUMILITY AND UNWAVERING COMMITMENT TO OTHERS THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER AT NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL.

ANDRE HAS CONSISTENTLY GIVEN HIS TIME AND ENERGY TO SUPPORT THE SCHOOL, HIS TEAMMATES AND HIS COMMUNITY IN MEANINGFUL WAYS.

ANDRE HAS PLAYED A VITAL ROLE IN ORGANIZING A FELLOWSHIP FOR CHRISTIAN ATHLETE EVENT, BOTH ON CAMPUS AND BEYOND, HELPING CREATE SPACES WHERE STUDENTS CAN GROW IN FAITH, CHARACTER, AND FELLOWSHIP.

FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS, HE HAS ALSO LED THE STUDENT RUN FCA BIBLE STUDIES FOR OUR FOOTBALL PLAYERS AND FELLOW NAPLES HIGH ATHLETES, DEMONSTRATING COURAGE, INITIATIVE AND GENUINE DESIRE TO MENTOR HIS PEERS.

HIS SERVICE EXTENDS WELL BEYOND THE CLASSROOM IN THE FIELD.

ANDRE VOLUNTEERED HIS TIME TO SET UP AND BREAK DOWN THE ANNUAL NIGHT TO SHINE EVENT, SUPPORTING NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER MONICA RODRIGUEZ AND HELPING ALL THE STUDENTS IN

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THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES ABOUT HIS CHARACTER AND WILLINGNESS TO SERVE WITHOUT RECOGNITION BECAUSE OF HIS EXCEPTIONAL INTEGRITY, SELFLESSNESS, AND LEADERSHIP. ANDRE WAS SELECTED BY COACH MARTIN TO BECOME THE FIRST NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL PLAYER SINCE 1998 TO WEAR THE RETIRED JERSEY, NUMBER 13 WORN BY RUSTY LARABEL. THIS HONOR REFLECTS NOT ONLY ANDRE'S COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE ON THE FIELD, BUT ALSO HIS DEEP RESPECT THAT HAS BEEN EARNED FOR A YOUNG MAN WHO REPRESENTS THE VALUES, HISTORY AND HEART OF NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL.

ANDRE FERDINAND IS A ROLE MODEL TO HIS PEERS AND A SHINING EXAMPLE OF WHAT IT MEANS TO LEAD THROUGH SERVICE.

HIS IMPACT WILL BE FELT LONG AFTER HIS GRADUATION AT NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL.

NOW, ANDRE, THAT PROGRAM, WE ALL KNOW THAT THEY BREED CHAMPIONS ON THE FIELD, BUT IT'S THE OFF THE FIELD STUFF THAT REALLY HITS HOME.

GIVE YOU A PRIME EXAMPLE, COACH KRAMER, AS WELL AS A LITTLE KNOWN FACT, OUR OWN CHIEF OF POLICE, CYRIL DOMINGUEZ, HE WAS IN NAPLES HIGH FOOTBALL PLAYER AS WELL.

THANK YOU FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING.

AND FOR OUR CLOSING REMARKS, I'D LIKE TO BRING UP OUR CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD, MR. PATRICK O'CONNOR. THANK YOU.

OKAY. HEY. GOOD MORNING, AND THANK YOU, EVERYONE.

MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL FOR ALLOWING ME TO DO THE RIGHT THING PROGRAM THIS MORNING. THE FOUR STORIES YOU JUST LISTENED TO WERE VERY DIFFERENT.

AND SHOW US HOW AMAZING THESE STUDENTS ARE. FOR THEIR HONESTY DUTY TO HELP OTHERS.

COMMITMENT TO A PASSION, HUMILITY AND KINDNESS.

AND WE ARE THE ONES THAT BENEFIT. FABIAN. I WANT TO THANK HIM FOR TURNING THE PLATINUM CREDIT CARD.

A $10,000 LIMIT WOULD HAVE MADE ONE HECK OF A SHOPPING SPREE FOR ANYONE.

HE DID THE RIGHT THING EVEN WHEN NO ONE WAS LOOKING.

WE THANK HIM FOR THAT. MARSHALL, YOU DID A GREAT JOB NOTIFYING THE TEAM ABOUT THE FLAT TIRE AND THEN HAVING THE KNOWLEDGE AND SKILL TO REPAIR IT.

YOUR WILLINGNESS TO HELP OTHERS IS REALLY APPRECIATED.

ANDRE, YOUR COMMITMENT TO NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL AND OTHER STUDENT ATHLETES IS INCREDIBLE.

HELPING TO ORGANIZE THE FELLOWSHIP OF CHRISTIAN ATHLETES EVENTS, VOLUNTEERING YOUR TIME AT THE NIGHT TO SHINE EVENT, AND ASSISTING THE COACH WITH THE FOOTBALL LAUNDRY.

THESE ACTIONS DEFINE YOU AND YOUR CHARACTER. WE ARE PROUDLY RECOGNIZING YOU TODAY AS A YOUNG MAN WHO DOES REPRESENT THE VALUES, HISTORY AND HEART OF NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL. THANK YOU.

AND WE'VE GOT. AND, DARIA, IS THAT NOT THE CUTEST LITTLE GIRL IN THE WORLD? ADORABLE. YOU HAVE A KIND HEART. AND IT SHOWS.

AND YOUR GOODNESS SURROUNDS YOU. THANK YOU FOR THE BLESSINGS OF BOTH OFFICER PHILLIPS AND OFFICER EDDIE.

PLEASE CONTINUE BECAUSE YOU CAN NEVER HAVE ENOUGH BLESSINGS.

IN CLOSING, I THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALLOWING US TO PRESENT THE STORIES THIS MORNING AND INDUCE THESE FOUR OUTSTANDING STUDENTS TO YOU AND OUR COMMUNITY.

WE APPLAUD THEM ALL FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING.

THANK YOU. NO. THANK YOU. MAY I ASK A QUESTION, KRAMER? YES. THANK YOU. CAN YOU TELL US WHERE ANDRE IS GOING TO BE PLAYING FOOTBALL NEXT YEAR? ANDRE'S. I MEAN, I KNOW THAT YOU'VE COMMITTED, BUT IS THAT COMMITMENT STILL VALID? WHERE WILL YOU BE PLAYING? CAN YOU COME UP, SIR? MICHIGAN STATE.

I PLAN ON CONTINUING MY ATHLETIC AND ACADEMIC ACADEMIC CAREER AT PRINCETON UNIVERSITY.

VERY GOOD.

CAN I BRING UP OUR RECIPIENTS? ABSOLUTELY. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO THE PARENTS FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO YOUR CHILDREN AND BRINGING THEM UP WITH GREAT CHARACTER. THEY WILL BE OUR FUTURE LEADERS, JUST AS COACH KRAMER AND IN STATED THE BEAUTIFUL CHRISTIAN VALUES AND BRINGING UP MEN WHO REALLY PUT THEIR PRIORITIES IN THE RIGHT PLACE, AS WE HAVE SEEN FROM ALL OF OUR RECOGNITION TODAY.

SO THANK YOU. IF YOU'LL PLEASE COME FORWARD AND GET A PICTURE.

OF MY SQUIRREL. CHAIR. ALL OVER AGAIN. I WANT TO BE IN FRONT.

TAKE THEM ONE AT A TIME. RIGHT HERE.

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YES, THAT'S A FACT. NOW, REMEMBER FROM NOW ON WHERE WE'RE ALL GOING.

SO I HAVE ALL OF YOU. MAYOR, I NEED YOU. OH.

OKAY, EVERYBODY REMEMBER THEIR POSITION. ALL RIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE PHOTOS ONE AT A TIME.

YOU'RE GOOD, YOU'RE GOOD, YOU'RE GOOD.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AND DO THE RIGHT THEY WILL BE PRESENTING THE MEMORIAL SCHOLARSHIP.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OFFICER PHILLIPS, REAL QUICK.

I JUST WANT TO THROW IT OUT THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A IT'S A ATTRIBUTE FOR THE PROGRAM, BUT I ALSO AM A PRODUCT OF THE NAPLES HIGH FOOTBALL TEAM.

YES. THANK YOU. ALSO, IF YOU'VE LOOKED AT THE NEW BARTON WAY ON BROAD AVENUE, IT'S WORKING.

THANK YOU. OKAY. WITH THAT, WE ARE MOVING

[4.B) Black History Baggage Car Project Presentation, Delivered by William Dwight, President of the Friends of the Collier County Museum.]

HE'S THE PRESIDENT OF THE FRIENDS OF COLLIER COUNTY MUSEUM.

THANK YOU FOR MEETING. MR. YOUNG WITH MR. DWIGHT AND ARRANGING FOR THIS PRESENTATION TODAY.

GOOD MORNING SIR. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES. OKAY. GOOD MORNING. FOR THE RECORD, MY NAME IS BILL DWIGHT.

I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE FRIENDS OF THE COLLIER COUNTY MUSEUMS. AND I AM NOT A PRODUCT OF THE NAPLES HIGH FOOTBALL TEAM.

BUT I AM GLAD TO BE HERE. AND THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.

MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. MR. YOUNG ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, THE BLACK HISTORY BAGGAGE CART, THE NAPLES DEPOT MUSEUM THE IDEA ORIGINATED FROM A MEETING WITH SEVERAL MEMBERS VINCENT KEYS FROM THE NAACP. PAUL ARCENEAUX, A LOCAL ARTIST. THERE IS A 1940S ERA PULLMAN BAGGAGE CAR AT THAT MUSEUM THAT HAS SAT FALLOW FOR DECADES. AND THEY THOUGHT, MY GOODNESS, THIS CAN BE AN EXCELLENT EXHIBIT FOR BLACK HISTORY. NAPLES FIRST PERMANENT BLACK HISTORY EXHIBIT AT THE NAPLES DEPOT MUSEUM.

AS YOU MAY KNOW, THE RAILROAD SERVED NAPLES COMING DOWN TO THE ACTUAL DEPOT FROM THE 1920S TO THE EARLY 1970S.

THE RAILROAD SERVED AS A MECHANISM FOR STABLE EMPLOYMENT FOR A LOT OF AFRICAN AMERICAN, PRIMARILY MEN, WORKING ON THE RAILROAD IN ALL FORMS OF ACTIVITIES.

SO FIVE YEARS AGO, THERE WAS AN EFFORT TO CREATE TO GET $15,000 IN SEED MONEY FROM THE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION TO CREATE SOME ARCHITECTURAL RENDERINGS. WE TOOK THOSE RENDERINGS IN 2022 TO TALLAHASSEE, WE ACHIEVED A $400,000 GRANT FROM THE DIVISION OF HISTORICAL RESOURCES, STATE OF FLORIDA, SPECIFICALLY FOR BLACK HISTORY PROJECTS.

WE'VE RAISED ANOTHER $100,000 IN PRIVATE FUNDS.

IN MAY OF 2022 THE THEN CITY COUNCIL GRACIOUSLY GAVE US $50,000 FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT.

AND THANK YOU. AND THEN IAN HAPPENED, AND NOTHING HAPPENED EXCEPT THE DEPOT GOT WIPED OUT.

IT WAS CLOSED FOR THREE YEARS AND RECENTLY REOPENED.

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THERE WE GO. SO THE RAMPS AND STEPS THAT WILL GO UP TO THE BAGGAGE CAR.

AGAIN, THIS IS A JOINT PROJECT WITH THE N DOUBLE A CP, COLLIER COUNTY MUSEUMS AND THE FRIENDS OF THE COLLIER COUNTY MUSEUMS. THIS IS THE DEPOT AS IT LOOKED EARLY ON WHEN IT WAS ACTUALLY THE TRAIN STATION.

IT HAS CHANGED, BUT ANY OF YOU WHO HAVE NOT BEEN TO IT SINCE IT HAS BEEN REOPENED, I URGE YOU TO GO BECAUSE IT'S A BEAUTIFUL LITTLE MUSEUM.

IT ALSO SERVES AS A SOUTHERN GATEWAY TO THE DESIGN DISTRICT.

AND SO WE ARE GOING TO BE PUTTING IN SOME RE WORKED SIDEWALKS AND OTHER THINGS LIKE THAT THAT WILL BE COMING ON LATER AS A SECOND PHASE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A MORE WALKABLE AREA FOR THAT PROJECT.

THE BOTTOM RENDERING SHOWS THE EXTERIOR WITH THE WITH THE.

IT JUST SHOWS THE GREEN FENCING. BUT TRUST ME, THERE'S A RAMP GOING UP BEHIND THERE. IN FACT, THEY'RE POURING CEMENT AS WE SPEAK.

BUT WHAT I WANTED TO ACCOMPLISH THIS MORNING IS TO REFRESH THIS IDEA IN YOUR MIND AND INTRODUCE IT MAYBE TO SOME OF THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS.

IT'S GOING TO BE AN OUTSTANDING ART SPACE THAT WILL CONTAIN BOTH PERMANENT AND TEMPORARY EXHIBITS SHOWCASING AFRICAN AMERICAN CONTRIBUTIONS TO NAPLES AND TO COLLIER COUNTY.

AND IT SHOULD BE OPEN, HOPEFULLY BY THE 1ST OF JUNE, IN APRIL, THE MAYOR HAS SAID GET IT OPEN BEFORE BEFORE THE 250TH ANNIVERSARY. SO WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT, AND WE ARE WELL ON OUR WAY TO ACHIEVING THAT GOAL.

I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND AGAIN, I WANT TO THANK, THIS BODY FOR THEIR GENEROUS CONTRIBUTION TO THIS PROJECT.

THANK YOU, MR. DWIGHT, AND FOR YOUR EFFORTS AND PERSISTENCE AND PERSEVERANCE.

IT'S IT'S A WONDERFUL PROJECT AND A GREAT WAY TO HONOR OUR HISTORY.

SO, MR. YOUNG. YES. THANK YOU. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU, DWIGHT, FOR BEING HERE.

THE OTHER REASON WE WANTED TO HAVE THIS COME FORWARD IS THIS WAS A MEETING THAT WAS MAY OF 2022 WHEN THIS WAS DISCUSSED, AND IT PUT THE DONATION THRESHOLD AT 50,000 AS A DISCUSSION ITEM AND DIRECTION OF THE CITY MANAGER.

SO BEING THAT IT'S A NEW COUNCIL AND EVERYTHING, I WANTED TO AT LEAST HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU.

SO WHEN I AUTHORIZE THE GRANT OF THE 50,000 UNDERNEATH MY AUTHORITY, IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT YOU THAT YOU UNDERSTOOD BOTH THE DATE OF IT AND THE MINUTES ACTUALLY REFLECT THE THEN COUNCIL MEMBER BLANKENSHIP MAKING THE THE THE MOTION AFTER DISCUSSION AND EVERYBODY'S SUPPORTING THE $50,000 WITHIN. WITHIN MY THRESHOLD OR THE CITY MANAGER AT THE TIME.

AND IN FACT, I WAS THE FINANCE DIRECTOR AT THE TIME AND CAME UP AND SAID, OKAY, WE'LL, YOU KNOW, KIND OF HOLD THE 50,000 IN ABEYANCE UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE SPECIFICS ARE IDENTIFIED.

AND SO WE'VE REACHED THAT THAT THRESHOLD. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT TO GET IT IN FRONT OF YOU.

SO WHEN WE DID ISSUE THE CHECK AND FOLLOW THROUGH ON ALL PART OF THAT, EVERYBODY IN THIS COUNCIL HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR WHAT WAS DONE IN THE PAST AND WHY WE'RE MAKING THE CONTRIBUTION. SO COUNCIL, ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? OKAY. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN I'VE BEEN FOLLOWING THIS FOR QUITE A WHILE AND FELT THAT THE ONCE THIS COMES TO FRUITION, THAT THE OUTDOOR AREA SORT OF SCREAMS FOR SOME SORT OF SEATING, SOME TABLES OR SOMETHING WHERE PEOPLE COULD SORT OF RELAX AND PERHAPS ENJOY THE MUSEUM AGAIN WHILE THEY'RE THERE. WE COULDN'T AGREE MORE.

AND THERE WILL BE KIND OF A PAVILION AREA BETWEEN THE BUILDING AND THE BOTTOM OF THE STEPS AND RAMP.

OKAY, KIND OF A PAVER AREA THAT WILL BE CONVERTIBLE.

FOR LECTURES, FOR OUTDOOR EVENTS, THAT TYPE OF THING.

OKAY, GREAT. I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. THANK YOU.

IT'S THE BEGINNING. YES, ABSOLUTELY. WELL, I CERTAINLY ENJOYED OUR TIME.

AND WITH MR. YOUNG AND VISITING THIS CAR, YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB.

IT REALLY IS GOING TO BE BEAUTIFUL. I KNOW IT WASN'T COMPLETE, BUT THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR NOT TRIPPING OVER OUR CONSTRUCTION.

YES. IT WASN'T PRETTY WHEN YOU WENT THROUGH. NO.

IT WAS. SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

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[5) PUBLIC COMMENTS]

COUNCIL MAYOR. MY NAME IS MICHAEL HUNTER. I LIVE ON CRAYTON ROAD.

AND WHAT I WANTED TO DO THIS MORNING IS I SUBMITTED FOR PUBLIC RECORD 30 SIGNATURES OF THE INTERSECTION OF CRAYTON AND MOORINGS LINE FOR THE ROUNDABOUT THAT WE DISCUSSED. THAT'S BEEN ON THE AGENDA FOR QUITE A WHILE NOW SINCE 22, I BELIEVE. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT HARBOR THIS AFTERNOON ON 13 A AND LOOKING AT THE DESIGNS FOR THAT INTERSECTION. BUT WE WANT TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION MOORINGS LINE AS WELL.

DUE TO THE SAFETY COMPONENT OF THAT. AND THERE WILL BE OTHER PEOPLE THAT WILL BE TALKING THAT PHYSICALLY LIVE.

ALL FOUR CORNERS I'VE TALKED TO PERSONALLY ARE IN FAVOR OF THERE'S CHILDREN ON THE CORNER NOW.

IT'S A WHOLE NEW DYNAMIC THAT'S MOVING ONTO THE ROAD WITH CHILDREN.

AND SAFETY IS THE MAIN CONCERN TO HAVE THAT INTERSECTION A ROUNDABOUT.

SO I WANTED TO SUBMIT THAT FOR YOUR REVIEW. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

QUESTIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THERE WEREN'T ANY QUESTIONS.

OKAY. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MARY MCCARTAN. GOOD MORNING.

IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. YES, MY NAME IS MARY MCCARTAN, AND I OWN LOT 670 AND 680 ON PARK STREET, AND I HAVE PLANS TO BUILD A HOME THERE. RIGHT NOW I'VE TAKEN THEM OFF THE TABLE FOR A WHILE AND I'VE LISTED THOSE LOTS FOR SALE.

HOWEVER DURING SPECIAL EVENTS THERE ARE DUMPSTERS IN FRONT OF MY LOTS.

THERE ARE TENTS IN FRONT OF MY LOTS. AND IF ANYONE WOULD COME TO LOOK AND I WOULDN'T KNOW WHEN THEY WOULD COME TO SEE THE PROPERTY THAT I'M SELLING. IT IS A DETRIMENT. I'VE TAKEN PICTURES.

I THINK MAYBE MOST OF YOU HAVE SEEN THE PICTURES AND I HAVE RECEIVED THROUGHOUT THE A FEW YEARS NOTICES FOR WITHIN MY FOOTAGE THAT THERE ARE IF SOME RESTAURANT WANTS TO HAVE MUSIC OR IF THEY WANT TO INCREASE THEIR SEATING CAPACITY OUTSIDE, I GET THOSE NOTICES. I, TO MY RECOLLECTION, HAVE NEVER RECEIVED A NOTICE THAT THE THE STREET WOULD BE BLOCKED DURING THESE SPECIAL EVENTS. THERE WOULD BE DUMPSTERS, THERE WOULD BE TENTS AND WHATNOT.

SO I. AND THE PROPERTY, THE GARAGES, SINCE THERE IS NO ALLEY WOULD GO OUT ONTO PARK STREET, THIS COULD NOT HAPPEN AND I SURELY DON'T LIKE THE VIEW.

IF I WOULD BUILD MY HOUSE THERE OF LOOKING AT THE DUMPSTERS AND THE TENTS FOR THESE SPECIAL AFFAIRS THAT ARE HELD, SO I. I WOULD REQUEST THAT THESE ROADS WOULD BE.

REMAINED A RESIDENTIAL STREET BECAUSE THERE ARE FOUR RESIDENTIAL LOTS ON THAT STREET.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND MY APOLOGIES ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL IT'S SOMETHING THAT SHOULD NEVER HAPPEN.

AND WE WILL BE REVIEWING THAT TODAY SO THAT WE'RE MUCH MORE THOUGHTFUL.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.

OUR NEXT PUBLIC SPEAKER IS JAY KOHLHAGEN. THANK YOU.

OKAY. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, SIR. IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

HANG ON, HANG ON. LET ME GET READY HERE. OKAY.

GOOD MORNING, MADAM MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS.

JAY COLGAN, FOR THE RECORD, THIS IS ABOUT FAIRNESS AND ACCOUNTABILITY.

EVERY SPECIAL EVENT THAT USES CITY SERVICES, POLICE, SANITATION, BARRICADES PAYS FOR THOSE SERVICES.

THE CARS ON FIFTH PAID FOR IT. SAINT PATRICK'S DAY PARADE WOULD PAY FOR IT.

SO THE PRIDE MUST DO THE SAME ON PAGE PAGE FOUR.

IN OUR SPECIAL EVENTS MANUAL, IT'S CLEAR. INVOICES FOR THE CITY SERVICES ARE DUE WITHIN 60 DAYS.

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IT DOES NOT CANCEL THE BILL. THAT'S HOW THE RULES PROTECT THE CITY AND THE TAXPAYERS.

MOVING ON TO PAGE NINE IN THE MANUAL. GOT IT RIGHT HERE.

THERE WE GO. AND IF A PERMIT REQUIRES REQUIREMENTS AREN'T MET, THE CITY MANAGER HAS THE AUTHORITY TO CANCEL THE EVENT IMMEDIATELY AND EVEN PREVENT FUTURE EVENTS. THIS RULE EXISTS FOR A REASON TO ENSURE FAIRNESS, COMPLIANCE, AND PUBLIC TRUST. THIS ISN'T ABOUT IDEOLOGY. IT'S NOT ABOUT POLITICS.

IT'S ABOUT ONE STANDARD APPLIED TO EVERYONE EQUALLY.

ONE RULE ENFORCED CONSTANTLY. THE RULES APPLY TO ALL.

NO EVENT IS ABOVE THE LAW AND NO TAXPAYER SHOULD PAY FOR EXEMPTIONS.

ONE OTHER THING HERE. LIKE IT OR NOT, IT COSTS NOW TO PROTECT.

BE PROTECTED IN PUBLIC. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, THIS SPECIAL EVENTS PERMIT MANUAL THAT WAS HIGHLIGHTED AND GIVEN BY THE CLERK WAS AN ATTACHMENT FROM YOUR.

YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND WITH THAT, OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS SLATE DABNEY.

GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. I'M SLATE DABNEY.

I LIVE AT 62 SIXTH STREET SOUTH, AND I'M HERE SPEAKING TODAY ON MY OWN BEHALF AND ALSO ON BEHALF OF OLD NAPLES ASSOCIATION. FIRST OF ALL, LAST TIME I WAS BEFORE YOU WAS ABOUT TWO WEEKS BEFORE YOU SELECTED THE TWO MOST RECENT NA COMMISSIONERS.

AND AT THAT TIME, THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE ON COUNCIL AT THAT TIME, MY REQUEST WAS THAT YOU CAREFULLY SELECT COMPETENT PEOPLE WHO TO TAKE THAT. TAKE THOSE POSITIONS BECAUSE IT IS A VERY IMPORTANT.

POSITION IN OUR COMMUNITY. AND TO MY DELIGHT, YOU DID A GREAT JOB AND I THINK YOU NEED TO BE COMPLIMENTED FOR THAT.

THEN I'M GOING TO MOVE ON AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE GOING ON IN TERMS OF THE CHANGE.

A POSSIBLE CHANGE IN THE GOVERNANCE STRUCTURE.

WE KNOW THERE'S BEEN A BILL THAT IS STILL JUST A BILL THAT WOULD CHANGE THAT SELECTION PROCESS AND PUT IT IN THE HANDS OF ALL THE VOTERS OF COLLIER COUNTY.

NOW, I HAPPEN TO HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET A GENTLEMAN BY THE NAME OF DUKE VASS, WHO I'D NEVER MET IN MY LIFE, AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER ANY OF YOU EVEN KNOW WHO HE IS. HE'S A RETIRED MILITARY MAN.

HE WAS A AVIATOR, PROBABLY MOSTLY DURING THE VIETNAM ERA, AND HE HAS SOME PRETTY REMARKABLE STORIES TO TELL.

BUT HE ALSO HAD A LOT OF OPINIONS ABOUT HOW YOU RUN AN AIRPORT.

AND ONE THING HE SAID TO ME IS YOU WANT VERY COMPETENT PEOPLE RUNNING AN AIRPORT, AND YOU DON'T WANT THE CITIZENS IN GENERAL TO BE MAKING THOSE SELECTIONS.

YOU REALLY WANT THAT DONE BY A THOUGHTFUL PROCESS, WHICH WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE SOMETHING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CAN CONDUCT AND HAS CONDUCTED RECENTLY. SO IT GAVE ME A WHOLE NEW WAY OF THINKING ABOUT HOW TO APPROACH THE QUESTION ABOUT WHAT THE GOVERNANCE SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T BE.

I DON'T WANT ANY OF YOU ALL TO FEEL LIKE THIS IS ALL DUMPED ON YOU TO GO SOLVE WITH THE STATE, BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE NOT OVER TOP OF THE STATE.

A LOT OF US ARE COMMUNICATING WITH THE STATE.

I SHARED WITH YOU A LETTER I SENT TO SENATOR PASSIDOMO LAST THURSDAY MORNING, AND IT'S NOT LIKE I'M HEARING ANYTHING BACK FROM HER, BUT I'M HOPING THAT AT LEAST THE MESSAGE MIGHT BE RESONATING.

AND I'M HOPING WHATEVER YOU ALL CAN DO, YOU WILL DO.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT THAT IS. I'M NOT CRITICIZING YOU OR MAKING ANY DEMANDS ON YOU TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH, BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THE CITIZENS CARE. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A SAFE OPERATION AT THAT AIRPORT.

I LIKEN IT TO IF NCH WERE TO BE TURNED OVER TO THE STATE, BECAUSE TO THE CITY, BECAUSE PAUL HILTZ AND THE BOARD DECIDED THEY

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IT'S PROBABLY AS SERIOUS AN OPERATION AS THE AIRPORT FOR DIFFERENT REASONS, BUT THEY'RE BOTH VERY SERIOUS IN TERMS OF THE IMPACT AND THE HARM WHICH HAS NOT OCCURRED.

AND LET'S HOPE IT NEVER DOES. AND I DON'T THINK IT WILL WITH THE TYPE OF PEOPLE YOU'VE BEEN PUTTING IN INTO THE GOVERNANCE.

THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING IN THAT LEGISLATIVE PROCESS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS DONNA ADAM.

GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS DONNA ADAM AND I'M IN ZIP CODE 34102. GIVEN ALL THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT MAKING SURE THE NEW PLAYGROUND AT CAMBIER PARK IS NOT ONLY SAFE FOR CHILDREN, BUT LOOKS ESTHETICALLY PLEASING AND NATURAL TO ITS SURROUNDINGS, I'M CONFUSED WHY WE DON'T ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS WHEN IT COMES TO EVENTS IN CAMBRIA PARK OR THE NORRIS CENTER. FOR EXAMPLE, TAKE A LOOK AT THESE PHOTOS FROM THE PAST NAPLES PRIDE EVENTS HELD IN CAMBRIA PARK.

DOES THIS PHOTO WITH A MAN IN A DRESS ACCEPTING US DOLLARS FROM CHILDREN LOOK CHILD FRIENDLY TO YOU? DOES THIS PICTURE WITH A WOMAN WITH MUTILATED BREASTS, OR THIS WOMAN WITH A FEATURING A CAT ON HER SHIRT SAYING LESBIANS EAT WHAT'S A NATURAL OR ESTHETICALLY PLEASING TO YOU? DOES ANY OF THIS REPRESENT NAPLES SMALL TOWN FEEL OR CHARM? DOES ANYONE THINK THIS IS APPROPRIATE FOR CHILDREN? NOW, WE HEARD A PRAYER THIS MORNING, AND I HEAR MANY OF YOU QUOTE SCRIPTURE AND PASSAGES FROM THE BIBLE.

SO CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I DO NOT SEE ANY SCRIPTURES IN THE BIBLE ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO LEAD CHILDREN ASTRAY.

IN FACT, THE BIBLE SAYS THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE.

CHILDREN ARE A PRECIOUS GIFT FROM GOD, AND THE BIBLE HIGHLIGHTS THE IMPORTANCE OF PROTECTING AND NURTURING THEM.

SCRIPTURE EMPHASIZES THE VALUE OF SAFEGUARDING CHILDREN FROM HARM, PROVIDING THEM WITH GODLY INSTRUCTION, AND TREATING THEM WITH LOVE AND CARE. HERE ARE A FEW VERSES.

LUKE 17 TWO. IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR SOMEONE TO BE THROWN INTO THE SEA WITH A MILLSTONE TIED AROUND THEIR NECK, THAN TO CAUSE ONE OF THE LITTLE ONES TO STUMBLE OR SIN.

PROVERBS. PROVERBS 22 SIX. START CHILDREN OFF ON THE WAY THEY SHOULD GO, AND EVEN WHEN THEY ARE OLD, THEY WILL NOT TURN FROM IT. JOHN ONE FOUR. I HAVE NO GREATER JOY THAN TO HEAR THAT MY CHILDREN ARE WALKING IN THE TRUTH.

SO I ASK, WHY ARE YOU PROPPING UP AND PARTNERING WITH NAPLES PRIDE, A GROUP THAT IS CLEARLY STEERING CHILDREN ASTRAY, A GROUP THAT IS TEACHING THEM BLATANT LIES LIKE BOYS CAN BE GIRLS OR GIRLS CAN BE BOYS.

A GROUP THAT IS ENCOURAGING CHILDREN TO MUTILATE THEIR BODIES AND CAUSING THEM PAIN. BESIDES ALL OF WHICH I JUST STATED, NAPLES PRIDE HAS YET TO PAY FEES FROM LAST YEAR'S EVENT AND IS IN VIOLATION OF THE SPECIAL EVENTS MANUAL.

THEY SHOULD NOT RECEIVE SPECIAL TREATMENT. THEIR EVENTS AT BOTH NOORAH CENTER ON MARCH 13TH AND IN CAMBRIA PARK ON APRIL 18TH SHOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN APPROVED.

I ASKED THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY COUNCIL TO REVIEW AND CANCEL THESE EVENTS THIS YEAR, AND GOING FORWARD, THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SOMEONE'S SEXUAL ORIENTATION OR FREE SPEECH.

THIS HAS TO DO WITH COMMON DECENCY. CITY OF NAPLES.

ORDINANCES AND RULES AND THE PROTECTION OF CHILDREN.

PLEASE NOTE I'M ALSO IN THE PROCESS OF CREATING A PETITION AND WILL GATHER SIGNATURES FROM THE RESIDENTS IN THE CITY OF NAPLES, AS WELL AS COLLIER COUNTY, WHO ARE IN OPPOSITION OF NAPLES PRIDE'S LEWD AND OBSCENE EVENTS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND AROUND CHILDREN.

IF THE CITY OF NAPLES IS ABLE TO PUT UP BARRIERS ON THE BEACH IN ORDER TO PROTECT SEA TURTLE EGGS, THEN YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUT UP BOUNDARIES AROUND OUR PARKS IN ORDER TO PROTECT SOMETHING EVEN MORE PRECIOUS CHILDREN.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND I'LL SUBMIT THESE PHOTOS TO THE CLERK.

THANK YOU. I HAVE OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS NATHAN GORDON.

FOLLOWED BY MICHAEL CRITELLI. GOOD MORNING SIR.

STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. NATHAN.

GORDON. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. COUNCIL MEMBERS, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY ABOUT ROUNDABOUTS.

MY NAME IS NATHAN GORDON. AS I'VE JUST STATED, MY WIFE AND I LIVE AT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF CREIGHTON AND MOORING LINE DRIVE WITH OUR FOUR CHILDREN. I'VE HAD THE PRIVILEGE TO SPEAK WITH YOU BEFORE IN SUPPORT OF THE ROUNDABOUT AT CREIGHTON AND HARBOR.

I'M HERE AGAIN BECAUSE FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND OUR FAMILY, THIS COMES DOWN TO ONE THING SAFETY.

WE LOVE NAPLES. WE LOVE THE MOORINGS. WE LOVE OUR HOME, BUT OUR INTERSECTION IS NOT SAFE.

WHEN WE PURCHASED OUR HOME IN 2021, OUR BUILDER TOLD US THAT THE CITY HAD DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH PLANNING A ROUNDABOUT AT OUR CORNER.

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IT'S NOT JUST ON MAJOR ROADS, BUT THROUGH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND THROUGH OUR INTERSECTION WITH DRIVERS RACING TO BEAT THE YELLOW.

SINCE WE'VE BEEN HERE, THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE COLLISIONS AT SPEED AT CREIGHTON AND MOORING LINE IN ONE.

THE IMPACT WAS SO VIOLENT THAT A HEAVY SUV FLIPPED OVER IN THE INTERSECTION.

I WILL SUPPLY TO THE THE CLERK THE PHOTOGRAPHS WHEN I FINISH.

OUR DRIVEWAY SITS ABOUT TEN FEET FROM THE INTERSECTION.

WE'RE. THE RIGHT HAND TURN FROM MOORING LINE ONTO CREIGHTON.

IT'S NOT JUST CARS. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL NEAR MISSES WITH CYCLISTS AND GOLF CARTS BARRELING AROUND THE CORNER AT FULL SPEED.

A YOUNG TEEN ON AN E-BIKE CAME WHIZZING AROUND THE CORNER AND COLLIDED WITH MY FATHER IN LAW'S CAR.

THANKFULLY, NO ONE WAS HURT. A ROUNDABOUT SLOWS EVERYONE DOWN.

THAT'S THE POINT. THE DATA ARE UNAMBIGUOUS. ROUNDABOUTS REDUCE FATALITIES BY 90%.

THEY DO THIS BY SLOWING THINGS DOWN AND DRAMATICALLY REDUCING THE CONFLICT.

POINTS OF INTERSECTION. ROUNDABOUTS SAVE LIVES.

30 RESIDENTS WITHIN TWO BLOCKS OF OUR INTERSECTION HAVE EXPRESSED UNANIMOUS SUPPORT.

THE PROPERTY OWNERS AT ALL FOUR CORNERS WANT THIS, THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION, THE NAPLES VELO BICYCLE CLUB, THE NAPLES PATHWAYS COALITION AND THE LIGHTHOUSE FOR BLINDNESS AND VISION LOSS ALL STAND IN SUPPORT.

OUR COMMUNITY IS UNITED. APPROVING THE HARBOR PLANS TODAY IS ABSOLUTELY THE RIGHT CALL.

OUR INTERSECTION AT MOORING LINE HAS THE SAME PROBLEM AND THE SAME SOLUTION.

WE RESPECTFULLY AND URGENTLY ASK THAT IT BE NEXT.

OUR CHILDREN CROSS THIS INTERSECTION. WE ARE HOPEFUL THAT YOU WILL NOT WANT TO WAIT FOR ANOTHER TRAGEDY TO MAKE THE RIGHT CALL HERE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

WITH THAT, OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MICHAEL CRITELLI.

GOOD MORNING. MAYOR HEITMANN MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL.

CITY MANAGER YOUNG. I AM AT 2919 GULF SHORE BOULEVARD, WHICH IS VERY CLOSE TO THE CORNER OF OF HARPER AND GULF SHORE BOULEVARD. I THINK THAT INTERSECTION PROBABLY EIGHT TIMES A DAY.

FOUR TIMES UP FOUR TIMES BACK. I AGREE WITH THE COMMENT FROM THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER IN SEVERAL RESPECTS.

THERE ARE PROBABLY MORE NEAR MISSES OR NEAR CRASHES THAN WE CAN AT THIS POINT.

ESTIMATE. AND ONE OF MY RECOMMENDATIONS IN A LETTER I SENT TO YOU IS THAT WE HAVE MONITORING WHETHER WE GO THE ROUNDABOUT OR THE SIGNALIZATION ROUTE. WE NEED BETTER DATA AS TO WHAT'S GOING ON, NOT JUST THERE, BUT PROBABLY MANY OTHER PLACES.

THE AIRLINE AVIATION INDUSTRY HAS DONE GREAT WORK BECAUSE THEY TRACK AND INVESTIGATE NEAR CRASHES.

WE NEED TO DO THE SAME. NOW, AS FOR ROUNDABOUTS, I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH THEM FROM 35 YEARS OF WORK IN TRANSPORTATION UP NORTH. WE PROMOTED ROUNDABOUTS FOR A DIFFERENT REASON.

THEY ARE BETTER FOR AIR QUALITY. BUT THERE ARE DESIGN ISSUES HERE THAT WE NEED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT.

I AGREE WITH THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER THAT WE HAVE AN INCREASING RISK WITH BICYCLES, E-BIKES, WHICH ARE UNREGULATED. OTHER THAN TO SAY THAT SOMEBODY HAS TO BE 16 YEARS OLD TO RIDE SOME OF THEM, AND GOLF CARTS, WHICH ARE CALLED VULNERABLE ROAD USERS AND PROBABLY ARE GOING THROUGH A ROUNDABOUT AT ABOUT 12 MILES AN HOUR.

BUT 1 OR 2 PRINCIPLES ONE IF POSSIBLE. AND THIS DESIGN DOESN'T, THE DESIGN THAT WAS PUT ON THE ON THE, ON THE WEBSITE LAST WEEK HAS ALL OF THESE DIVERSE VEHICLES TRAVELING THROUGH THE SAME SPACE.

IF IT WOULD BE BETTER IF THEY WERE SEPARATED, THE BICYCLES.

THIS IS DONE IN THE NETHERLANDS. BICYCLES ARE IN A SEPARATE ROUNDABOUT FROM OTHER PEOPLE.

BUT THE OTHER THING IS WE NEED TO REDUCE THE ENTRY AND EXIT SPEEDS FROM 25 MILES AN HOUR TO 20 MILES AN HOUR.

VEHICLES, CARS AND TRUCKS NATURALLY SLOW WHEN THEY GO INTO A ROUNDABOUT BECAUSE OF THE DESIGN.

BICYCLISTS AND E-BIKES DO NOT HAVE TO SLOW TO THE SAME DEGREE.

SO MANY STATES HAVE LIMITATIONS OF A TEN MILE AN HOUR DIFFERENTIAL IN DESIGN FROM HIGHEST TO LOWEST SPEED.

I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU LOOK AT A DESIGN THAT LIMITS THE ENTRY AND EXIT SPEEDS TO GO FROM 25 TO 20 MILES AN HOUR.

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WITH THAT, OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MATT SMITH. SORRY, I.

13 A SO IT'S OKAY. YOU'LL STAY FOR 13? AYE. I'LL GO AHEAD AND PUT IT BACK IN SO YOU CAN SPEAK AT 13.

AYE. I'M VERY HAPPY TO BE. OKAY. STANDING BY FOR DIRECTION.

GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, MATT SMITH, NAPLES PATHWAY COALITION.

OUR MISSION IS SIMPLE TO MAKE OUR STREETS SAFER AND MORE ACCESSIBLE FOR EVERYONE.

WHETHER YOU DRIVE, WALK, BIKE, RUN OR USE MOBILITY AIDS, ROUNDABOUTS ARE NOT A NEW IDEA.

THEY ARE ONE OF THE MOST COMMON INTERSECTION DESIGNS IN THE WORLD.

AND THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR ON THREE POINTS. THEY SAVE LIVES, THEY REDUCE SERIOUS INJURIES, AND THEY DO IT AT A LOWER LONG TERM COST THAN TRADITIONAL INTERSECTIONS.

ACCORDING TO THE FHA FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION, CONVERTING A CONVENTIONAL INTERSECTION TO A MODERN ROUNDABOUT REDUCES FATAL CRASHES BY ROUGHLY 90% AND INJURY CRASHES BY ABOUT 70%. THESE GAINS OCCUR BECAUSE ROUNDABOUTS CAN ELIMINATE THE MOST DANGEROUS CRASH TYPES HIGH SPEED, RIGHT ANGLE AND HEAD ON COLLISIONS GLANCING CRASHES AT A LOWER SPEED ARE FAR MORE SURVIVABLE. SPEED IS THE COMMON DENOMINATOR AND THE STRONGEST PREDICTOR OF WHETHER A CRASH BECOMES A TRAGEDY.

ROUNDABOUTS FORCE LOWER ENTRY SPEEDS IN THE 15 TO 20 MILE PER HOUR RANGE.

THIS BENEFITS ALL ROAD USERS AND DRAMATICALLY REDUCES THE NUMBER OF SEVERE CRASHES.

FOR OLDER RESIDENTS, PEDESTRIAN SAFETY IMPROVES AS WELL.

SINGLE LANE ROUNDABOUTS WITH ISLANDS AND SETBACK CROSSINGS CAN REDUCE PEDESTRIAN CRASHES BY AS MUCH AS 70%, ALLOWING PEOPLE TO CROSS ONE DIRECTION OF TRAFFIC AT A TIME AT A SLOWER PACE, WITH PERHAPS A SAFE PLACE TO REST IN BETWEEN FOR SELF-PROPELLED USERS, CYCLISTS, WALKERS, RUNNERS, PEOPLE USING CANES.

THIS ISN'T ABOUT ESTHETICS OR IDEOLOGY. IT'S ABOUT ALIGNING STREET DESIGN WITH THE CITY VISION OF SAFER, MORE CONNECTED NEIGHBORHOODS. NAPLES NEEDS STREETS THAT CAN PROTECT LIVES, REDUCE LONG TERM COSTS, AND WORK BETTER FOR EVERYONE. PLEASE SUPPORT A MODERN ROUNDABOUT IN THE MOORINGS FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY AND ITS RESIDENTS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY.

THANK YOU.

MADAM CLERK, YOU GAVE ME OTHER. WAS THAT THE LAST OF.

THAT'S THE LAST OF WHAT I HAVE. OKAY. THANK YOU.

ALL RIGHT. THAT CONCLUDES ITEM FIVE OF PUBLIC COMMENT.

AND THAT TAKES US TO THE APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA.

[APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA]

THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN.

SECOND, AND I HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNED BY I. I. OPPOSED? THANK YOU.

COUNCIL. IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM NINE.

THERE ARE NO PUBLIC HEARINGS. IT TAKES US TO THE REGULAR AGENDA WITH ITEM 14 A BEING MOVED TO THE TOP.

[14.A) A Resolution Accepting a Cash Donation of $250,000 from the Nommensen Family for the Purpose of Contributing Matching Funds to Enhance the Playground Project at Lowdermilk Park, which is Funded in the Fiscal Year 2025-2026 Budget Capital Improvement Project (430) in the amount of $250,000 (26R05); and Providing an Effective Date.  ]

THANK YOU, MR. MCCONNELL. THANK YOU. MAYOR. A RESOLUTION ACCEPTING A CASH DONATION FOR 250,000 FROM THE NOMMENSEN FAMILY FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONTRIBUTING MATCHING FUNDS TO ENHANCE THE PLAYGROUND PROJECT AT LOUDERMILK PARK, WHICH IS FUNDED IN THE FISCAL YEAR 20 2526.

BUDGET CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT 430 AND THE AMOUNT OF 250,000 TO 6 R05 AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

THANK YOU. OKAY. MR. MERRITT. YES. GOOD MORNING.

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I'LL KIND OF SAY THIS. THIS IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE THINGS ABOUT WHAT I DO IS I GET TO MEET AMAZING PEOPLE.

I GET TO SHARE THAT EXPERIENCE WITH YOU TODAY.

FAMILY. AND ACTUALLY, THE TATUM FAMILY CAME TO ME SEVERAL MONTHS AGO, AND THEY WANTED TO DO SOMETHING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE COMMUNITY REGARDING PARKS. AND THEY ASKED IF THERE WAS A WAY THEY COULD CONTRIBUTE SOME FUNDS TO HELP ENHANCE THE PARKS.

WE WENT THROUGH SOME PROJECTS. I TOLD THEM SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD THAT WERE IN MOTION.

WE PARTICULAR, WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT LOUDERMILK PARK.

WE CURRENTLY HAVE A SIP, AS YOU HEARD, $250,000 TO REPLACE THE PLAYGROUND, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE LAST PIECE LEFT IN LOUDERMILK PARK FROM THE DAMAGE FROM HURRICANE IAN. SO IT'S KIND OF A, IT'S IT'S A DOUBLE POSITIVE FROM MY SIDE, AT LEAST, THAT WE WE GET THIS. AND THIS IS KIND OF THE FINISHING TOUCHES OF LOUDERMILK PARK.

SO THEY CAME AND THEY WANTED TO CONTRIBUTE MATCHING FUNDS.

SO THIS PROJECT WAS $250,000. SO THE MATCHING FUNDS TAKES IT TO $500,000.

THAT ALLOWS US TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SOME ENHANCEMENTS AND MAKE IT THE PLAYGROUND A LITTLE MORE USABLE, USER FRIENDLY. THEY DID ASK WITH THIS, YOU'VE SEEN IN YOUR AGM, THERE ARE A COUPLE OF WHAT I CONTRIBUTE VERY MODEST ASK IN THIS AND THAT IS THAT ONE THAT THE FUNDS ARE, ARE MATCHING.

ALSO THAT THE PARK ENTRY ROAD HAS A NATURAL BARRIER SO THAT CHILDREN WILL NOT RUN INTO THE STREETS.

AND AS IT WOULD HAPPEN WHEN I MET WITH THEM ON SITE, THEIR, THEIR CHILD WENT FROM THE PLAYGROUND AND STARTED RUNNING TOWARDS THE STREET.

SO THIS WAS, IT WAS A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THAT.

SO AND WE FEEL WE CAN DO THAT VERY, VERY EASILY AND WE CAN MAKE IT ESTHETICALLY PLEASING.

THE OTHER THING THAT THEY WERE ASKING IS YELLOW IS A FAVORITE COLOR OF MR. AND MRS. RACHEL. SO THAT IS WHO THEY ARE HONORING WHO ARE TEACHERS.

SO WE WANTED TO INCORPORATE THE COLOR YELLOW.

WE ALSO WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLAYGROUND, IF WE UNDERSTAND PLAYGROUNDS DON'T LAST FOREVER.

THEY WANT TO KNOW. THEY WANT US TO KNOW THAT WHEN IT'S TIME TO REPLACE THE PLAYGROUND, THEY WOULD LIKE TO BE NOTIFIED BECAUSE THEY WOULD LIKE TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO MAKE ANOTHER CONTRIBUTION TO EXTEND THE THE THE HONOR AND AS WELL AS TO BE ABLE TO REPLACE THE PLAYGROUND.

ONE THING THAT I DIDN'T HAVE ON HERE THAT IS WITHIN THE LETTER, IF YOU READ, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS KIND OF NEAT, IS THEY WANTED TO CALL IT THE SUNSHINE PLAYGROUND.

THEY ALSO WANTED TO HAVE A SMALL OR A LITTLE PLAQUE HONORING MR. AND MRS. SHAW AND THEIR CONTRIBUTION TO THE EDUCATION SYSTEM AND ENCOURAGING PEOPLE TO HONOR THEIR TEACHERS.

THIS THIS WAS, YOU KNOW, JUST AN AMAZING EXPERIENCE THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO, TO MEET THESE INDIVIDUALS.

AND I'M GLAD THAT I CAN SHARE THAT WITH YOU TODAY.

SO I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO GO IN TOO MUCH UNLESS YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME.

I JUST WANTED TO I FELT THAT THIS WAS WORTH THE CONVERSATION TO HONOR.

AND THEY'RE HERE ON THE BACK ROW, SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GET TO MEET THEM PERSONALLY AS WELL.

SO IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.

I DON'T THINK I'VE GOT ANYTHING ELSE. NO COUNCILWOMAN CERTAINLY A LARGE THANK YOU FROM THE CITY FOR THIS AMAZING CONTRIBUTION TO OUR PARK SYSTEM. AND THERE THEY HAVE NO DESIRE TO PICK THE EQUIPMENT FOR THE PLAYGROUND OR ANYTHING. THAT IS ENTIRELY UP TO US, AS I UNDERSTAND IT.

CORRECT. WE'RE GOING TO DO THE DESIGN. AND JUST OUT OF RESPECT, I WILL PROBABLY SHOW THEM SOME OF THE DESIGNS AND SUCH, BUT THEY HAVE NOT ASKED FOR THAT. IN THE BIG HEARTY THANK YOU FOR THIS GENEROUS GIFT TO THE CITY.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER, I JUST HAVE TO.

IT'S FANTASTIC. Y'ALL ARE AWESOME. AND AFTER 33 YEARS IN PUBLIC EDUCATION, YOU HONOR ONE TEACHER.

YOU HONOR ALL OF THEM. AND THAT IS. IT'S JUST AMAZING TO ME.

Y'ALL ARE DOING THIS JUST LIKE THE TENACITY, THE PERSISTENCE, JUST TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN DOESN'T HAPPEN IN A VACUUM.

LIKE THE GENTLEMAN WITH THE WITH THE RAIL CAR IT.

AND FOR NOTHING FOR YOURSELF. YOU GET. IT'S JUST RARE, THAT'S ALL.

IT'S HARD TO FIND WORDS TO DESCRIBE HOW GRATEFUL I AM FOR FOLKS LIKE YOU.

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IF YOU HAVE ANY WORDS, WE'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK YOU WITH A PICTURE.

BUT ALSO, YOU KNOW, THESE IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD.

IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO AT THE PODIUM.

JUST IDENTIFY YOURSELF FOR THE RECORD. GOOD MORNING.

I'M SARAH TATUM. THESE ARE MY PARENTS. WE'RE VERY HAPPY TO BE HERE HONORING MY GRANDFATHER AND MY GRANDMOTHER. WE WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO CHAD.

WE'VE MET SEVERAL TIMES WITH YOU. MY HUSBAND WORKS A LOT WITH CITY GOVERNMENT, AND HE HAS JUST BEEN SO IMPRESSED WITH CHAD AND YOUR TEAM.

WE ARE SO EXCITED TO WORK WITH YOU, AND WE KNOW THAT YOU WILL BE A GREAT STEWARD OF THIS MONEY.

WE ARE JUST VERY EXCITED TO CONTRIBUTE TO THIS COMMUNITY IN A WAY THAT WILL HONOR GARY AND WANDA.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR INITIATIVE ON THIS.

AND MOVING IT FORWARD AND HONORING YOUR LEGACY OF FAMILY AND COMMITMENT TO OUR COMMUNITY.

SO WITH THAT, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

IF YOU'LL JUST COME FORWARD SO WE CAN TAKE A PICTURE.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU AGAIN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

YEAH. GO ON UP. OH, THAT ONE'S CUTE. SCOOT IN I HAVE ANYONE ONE OF MY OWN FAVES. THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. Y'ALL ARE AMAZING. VERY GENEROUS. COME ON CHAD, I CAN FORWARD IT.

OH, ONE MORE, ONE MORE, ONE MORE. CHAD. ONE ONE ON HIS PHONE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THAT'S INCREDIBLE. MY.

THANK YOU BABA. YES, I GREATLY APPRECIATE IT, GUYS.

VERY GENEROUS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. AND THANK YOU BECAUSE THIS BRINGS LEGACY FAMILIES AND OUR COMMUNITY IN A BRIGHT LIGHT.

SO THANK YOU. WITH THAT MOVING TO. WERE YOU COMPLETE, MR. YOUNG? OH, WAIT. I'M SORRY. WE HAVE TO TAKE A VOTE.

I WAS ALL EXCITED ABOUT THIS, WHICH IS PERFECTLY FINE.

ANYBODY WANT TO DO? ANYBODY WANT TO FIND THAT ONE? DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO APPROVE.

IS IT AN ORDINANCE, A RESOLUTION? RESOLUTION TO APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION AS PRESENTED.

SECOND. GO AHEAD, I GOT IT. I'M NOT. NOT THE WHOLE THING, BUT I MOVED TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION ACCEPTING A CASH DONATION OF $250,000 FOR THE PURPOSE OF CONTRIBUTING MATCHING FUNDS.

THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT. THANKS, MATT. THANKS, JOEY.

THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. I MOVE TO APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION 14 A TO ACCEPT CASH DONATION OF $250,000 FROM THE MANSON FAMILY AND MATCHING FUNDS FOR THE PURPOSE OF ENHANCING THE PLAYGROUND PROJECT AT LOUDERMILK PARK.

AND MY SECOND STANCE, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON.

YES, COUNCILMAN SCHULTZ, JUST A BRIEF QUESTION.

HAS ANYBODY STEPPED FORWARD WITH MATCHING FUNDS TO FUNDS THAT YOU CAN USE WITH THIS, OR IS THIS TOO EARLY IN THE PROCESS? WELL, MR. YOUNG WILL CLARIFY THE 2026 BUDGET INCLUDED 250,000 ALREADY FOR IT.

SO THOSE FUNDS ARE ALREADY LAWFULLY APPROPRIATED BY THE PREVIOUS CITY COUNCIL.

SO IT'S ALL OVER. IT'S. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YOU'LL ACTUALLY DO THE SUPPLEMENT OF THE APPROPRIATIONS WHEN WE COME BACK TO YOU WITH THE CONTRACT TO AWARD, AND IT'LL ALL BE IN PLACE. BUT THE APPROPRIATIONS ARE ALREADY THERE. GREAT.

THANK YOU. AND ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNED BY I, I OPPOSED.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU.

THAT TAKES US. PARDON? YES. TO TEN A THANK YOU I GAVE IT.

[10.A) Discussion and Selection of the Recipient of the 2026 Sam Noe Award. ]

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SO TODAY IS A DISCUSSION AND SELECTION FOR THE RECIPIENT OF THE 2026 SAM NO AWARD.

EACH YEAR, AN AWARD IS PRESENTED TO A CURRENT OR PAST MEMBER OF THE CITY OF NAPLES APPOINTED COMMITTEE OR BOARD, INCLUDING THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY IN PROFESSOR SAMUEL VINAS.

HONOR TO RECOGNIZE EXEMPLARY SERVICE WITHIN THE PARTICULAR MISSION OF THAT BODY BY MEMBERS OF CITY'S BOARDS AND COMMITTEES.

THE CITY COUNCIL ESTABLISHED THE AWARD IN OCTOBER OF 2006 TO HONOR CITY OF NAPLES.

TO HONOR THE LATE SAMUEL RIJINO A I C P MR. KNOW.

SERVED AS A MEMBER OF THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD FROM 2020 2002 TO 2006.

A DISTINGUISHED ACADEMIC PLANNING CONSULTANT AND ADVISOR, PROFESSOR NOH WAS A STRONG SUPPORTER, BOTH OF COMMUNITY REVITALIZATION AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION.

HE BECAME AN ADVOCATE FOR MASTER PLANNING THE CITY'S GATEWAY AT THE JORDAN RIVER, AND WORKED DILIGENTLY ON LEGISLATION TO SAVE STRUCTURES OF IMPORTANCE TO THE COMMUNITY'S HERITAGE. THE GUIDELINES FOR THE AWARD REQUIRE THAT CITY COUNCIL REVIEW THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND SELECT A RECIPIENT AT THIS FIRST MEETING IN MARCH, AND PRESENT THE AWARD AT THE SECOND REGULAR MEETING IN MARCH.

A COPY OF THE RESOLUTION 15 13622 IS ATTACHED IN YOUR PACKET, WHICH INCLUDES THE DESCRIPTION AND THE GUIDELINES FOR SELECTION OF A NOMINEE.

FOR YOUR INFORMATION AND THE PUBLIC PAST AWARDS HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TO RONALD PENNINGTON JAMES.

BLACK. WILLIAM. PRCHAL. MURRAY. HENDEL. JAMES.

RIDEOUT. PETER. MANNION. WILLIE. ANTHONY. GARY.

PRYCE. LODGE. MCKIE. ALLEN. RIKER. LINDA. BLACK.

JAMES. CRAWL. DAVID. FATE. BRUCE. CELLPHONE. THOMAS.

MCCANN. STEPHEN. RUBY. RENEE. ZEPEDA. CHARTER.

AND. LAST. YEAR. AND. FOSTER. IN RESPONSE TO THE NOMINATION FORM.

CIRCULATED TO CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS AND BOARD AND COMMITTEE MEMBERS, THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE RECEIVED ONE NOMINATION, WHICH IS IN YOUR PACKET. COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ, WHILE SERVING ON THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, NOMINATED JOHN CROSS, WHO SERVED ON THE PAB FROM 2018 TO 2025.

AND I WILL REFER THIS BACK TO COUNCIL FOR THE MAYOR TO OPEN UP FOR DISCUSSION OF CITY COUNCIL.

THANK YOU. MRS. COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER IS SOMETHING YOU AND I HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT, AND I WAS OUT OF THE COUNTRY AND WE HAD A SHORT TURNAROUND ON THAT.

THAT IT IS POSSIBLE TO NOMINATE SOMEONE TODAY.

IS THAT CORRECT? MRS. SO I DID PROVIDE YOU WITH A COPY OF THE RESOLUTION.

AND AFTER I SPOKE WITH YOU, I CALLED OUR CITY ATTORNEY BECAUSE EVERYTHING KIND OF TO ME SEEMED LIKE IT WAS UP TO INTERPRETATION. AND IF MATTHEW, YOU WOULD LIKE TO LET COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER KNOW WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT. SURE. SO THERE'S CLEARLY A DEADLINE IN HERE TO SUBMIT IT BY THE SECOND MONDAY IN FEBRUARY. THE PARAGRAPH BEFORE IS A LITTLE CAN BE INTERPRETED EITHER WAY, ALTHOUGH I DIDN'T DRAFT THIS RESOLUTION, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE INTENT WAS BEHIND IT, BUT IT DOES SAYS IT DOES SAY YOU GUYS ARE ALLOWED TO MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU RECEIVE FROM THE PUBLIC. TECHNICALLY AND LEGALLY, YOU ARE ALL CITIZENS OF THE CITY.

SO YOU ARE PART OF THE PUBLIC. BUT WITH THIS RESOLUTION HERE, I MEAN, WITH THE SPECIFIC DATES SAYING SECOND MEETING, SECOND MONDAY IN FEBRUARY, I AND WITH ME NOT BEING INVOLVED IN THE DRAFTING OF IT, IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SAY WHAT THE INTENT WAS BECAUSE IT ALSO SAID FIRST WORKSHOP IN MARCH.

BUT THEN THERE'S A FOOTNOTE THAT SAYS IT CAN HAPPEN AT THE FIRST MEETING IN MARCH. SO IT'S REALLY UP TO COUNCIL.

WELL, YOU KNOW ME, I'M A DEADLINE GUY AND FOLLOW THE RULES GUY, SO I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT.

WITH THAT, I WILL SAY, WHICHEVER WAY IT GOES, I WANT TO.

I WOULD HAVE NOMINATED AND WANTED TO NOMINATE RITA CUDAHY, OUR.

THE PAST CHAIR OF THE NA WHO SERVED AT PERHAPS THE MOST CONTENTIOUS TIME ON THE MOST.

I MEAN, SHE WAS IN A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION AND WAS ABSOLUTE GRACE UNDER PRESSURE, ALWAYS PREPARED,

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AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT JOHN CROSS ISN'T A WORTHY NOMINEE.

I AM SAYING THAT I CAN'T THINK OF A MORE APPROPRIATE PERSON TO RECEIVE THIS HONOR THAN RITA CUDDIHY.

I APPRECIATE THAT. I I ACTUALLY WAS ON COUNCIL MISSED A DEADLINE ALSO I DID GET A CHANCE TO NOMINATE SOMEONE I THOUGHT WAS VERY WORTHY IN FUTURE DATES. SO I, I APPRECIATE YOUR RECOGNITION OF SOMEONE THERE.

YOU KNOW, OUR VOLUNTEERS ARE SO VERY IMPORTANT TO THE CITY, SO I.

THEY'RE ALL WORTHY. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. SO WITH THAT, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSIONS? ANY OTHER NEED THIS NOMINATION APPROVED BY US? YES. WE HAVE TO HAVE THE NOMINATION APPROVAL.

AND BY THE WAY, COACH, I AGREE WITH YOUR REMARKS AND CERTAINLY THE PERSON THAT YOU REFERENCE.

MICROPHONE. MICROPHONE, PLEASE. THANK YOU FOR.

I AGREE WITH YOUR REMARKS AND CERTAINLY THE PERSON THAT YOU MENTIONED.

SO MAYBE NEXT YEAR. BUT WITH THAT MOVE APPROVAL OF THE APPOINTMENT, I GUESS WE WANT TO SAY OF JOHN CROSS AS THE RECIPIENT OF THE SAM NO AWARD AND CONGRATULATIONS.

I KNOW HE'S GIVEN A LOT OF TIME, GOOD THINKING TO THE CITY.

SO HE'S A GOOD NOMINEE AND I CERTAINLY SUPPORT THAT.

OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION FOR NOMINATION FOR JOHN CROSS FOR THE SAM NO AWARD.

SECOND. SECOND, I HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARL.

ALL WITH THAT? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER SCHULTZ, SINCE I NOMINATED HIM I'D LIKE TO COMMEND HIM FOR HIS SERVICE TO THE PAB, WHERE I HAVE SERVED BRIEFLY. AND JOHN SOMETIMES CAN BE A LITTLE GRUFF, BUT HIS HEART WAS ALWAYS IN THE RIGHT PLACE AND DID A LOT OF HEAVY LIFTING FOR THE CITY, SO I JUST WAS PLEASED TO NOMINATE HIM ON TIME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, MR. MCCONNELL, I CAN TAKE A ROLL CALL VOTE, OR DO I, CAN I TAKE A. OH, NO, YOU CAN DO A VOICE VOTE. THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME. WITH THAT MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER PITTMAN, A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARL.

ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNED BY I, I OPPOSED. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. CONGRATULATIONS AND CONGRATULATIONS TO.

OUR NEXT RECIPIENT FOR THE SAM NO AWARD MR. JOHN CROSS.

AND WHEN WILL THAT AWARD BE? AT YOUR NEXT REGULAR MEETING IN MARCH.

YES. THANK YOU, MISS RAMBO. YOU'RE WELCOME. OKAY WITH THAT? COMPLETING TEN A GOING TO ITEM 11. THERE WERE NO ITEMS PULLED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA.

ITEM 12 LAND USE. THERE ARE NONE GOING TO OLD BUSINESS.

[13.A) Receive Update by Johnson Engineering, City’s Engineering Consultant, on the status of the Roundabout Design and Provide Direction to Finalize for Construction. ]

ALISON BECKETT IS HERE AND JOHNSON ENGINEERING IS HERE TO DISCUSS THE REFRESHED ROUNDABOUT AT CREIGHTON AND HARBOR. AND JUST AS YOU'VE PROBABLY READ IN THE AGM, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS GONE BACK AND FORTH A COUPLE REITERATIONS.

THE IMPORTANT PART IS, IS WE HAVE THE INTERSECTION DESIGNED AS A MAST ARM.

WE PUT IT OUT FOR BID. THEN WE CIRCLED BACK TO THE ROUNDABOUT.

AND SO AT THIS POINT WITH THE REFRESH ROUNDABOUT WE WILL HAVE BOTH DESIGNS.

AND THIS IS INTENDED TO GIVE YOU THE REFRESHED LOOK OF CREIGHTON AND HARBOR AND GET YOUR DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AN RFP.

AND SO HAVING A DECISION TODAY IS PARAMOUNT TO GETTING THIS PROJECT MOVING.

SO THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO MISS BECKETT.

GOOD MORNING. ALLISON BECKETT, CITY ENGINEER FOR THE RECORD.

ACCOMPANIED BY DAVID RIVERA, OUR STREET SUPERINTENDENT.

AND I'M HERE TODAY. AS I MENTIONED, WE HAVE JOHNSON ENGINEERING REPRESENTING US.

I WILL REITERATE THE FACT THAT THIS HAS BEEN AN ONGOING DISCUSSION.

AS YOU'RE AWARE, ACCORDING TO THE UPDATE THAT YOU'VE RECEIVED TODAY, THE EXISTING SPAN WIRE INTERSECTION OUT THERE FOR THE EXISTING CONDITIONS FOR THE TRAFFIC INTERSECTION IS REALLY IN NEED OF UPGRADES TO PROVIDE A MORE RESILIENT APPLICATION FOR THIS COASTAL LOCATION.

AND WE ARE TYPICALLY TASKED WITH CHECKING THAT VERTICAL CLEARANCE UNDER THE TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND ADJUSTING THE SAGGING WIRES TO MAINTAIN THAT

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SO THIS IS A TASK THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FORWARD TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE UPGRADES TO THIS INTERSECTION OVER THE YEARS.

AND AS MR. YOUNG ALREADY MENTIONED, WE'VE GONE THROUGH A NUMBER OF ITERATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS ON THIS ITEM.

SO WITH NO FURTHER ADO, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO RICHARD JOHNSON ENGINEERING TO PROVIDE THEIR PRESENTATION TODAY.

THANK YOU. ALLISON. GOOD MORNING. I'M JOSH HILDEBRAND WITH JOHNSON ENGINEERING. I'M A TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER WITH THE COMPANY.

PRESENTING WITH ME MY COLLEAGUE COREY KRATOVIL, WHO IS A ROUNDABOUT DESIGN EXPERT.

COREY'S BEEN INVOLVED IN THE DESIGN OF OVER 50 ROUNDABOUTS THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER.

WE'RE HERE TODAY TO PROVIDE COUNCIL WITH AN UPDATE ON THE PROGRESS OF THE DESIGN FOR THE CREIGHTON ROAD AND HARBOR DRIVE ROUNDABOUT DESIGN.

SOME OF THE GOALS OF THIS PROJECT FOCUSED ON ENHANCING SAFETY.

WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE IMPROVED THE CONDITIONS FOR DRIVERS, CYCLISTS, AND PEDESTRIANS.

OPTIMIZE TRAFFIC FLOW TO INCREASE THE OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY AND REDUCE CONGESTION AT THIS INTERSECTION.

TO CONTAIN THE FOOTPRINT WITHIN THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY.

THERE ARE RESIDENTIAL HOMES ON ALL FOUR QUADRANTS.

WE WANTED TO PRESERVE CITY INFRASTRUCTURE TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE WITH THE DESIGN, MINIMIZING DISRUPTIONS TO STORMWATER AND ALSO EXISTING UTILITIES, AND THEN PROTECT PRIVATE PROPERTY, BOTH AT THE RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAYS AND ALSO THE ADJACENT LANDSCAPE AND OTHER STREETSCAPE IMPACTS. WE'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH MANY MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, I BELIEVE EVEN THROUGH YESTERDAY, WE MET WITH ALL RESIDENTS ON ALL FOUR QUADRANTS AT THIS INTERSECTION.

WE'VE RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC. AND WHAT WE'VE HEARD IS A COUPLE REOCCURRING ELEMENTS.

THE PRIMARILY THE PRIMARY CONCERN IS SAFETY, BOTH FOR PEDESTRIANS, BICYCLE VEHICULAR AND ALSO EMERGENCY RESPONSE VEHICLES.

THIS WAS BOTH POST-CONSTRUCTION AND DURING CONSTRUCTION.

WE'VE HEARD WE WANTED, WE'VE HEARD CONCERNS REGARDING THE FOOTPRINT OF THIS ROUNDABOUT, MAKING SURE IT'S CONSTRAINED WITHIN THE EXISTING RIGHT OF WAY.

AND THEN ALSO THE IMPACTS TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, BOTH FROM VEGETATION, LANDSCAPING, STREETSCAPING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

AND THEN DRIVEWAY ACCESS, ACCESSIBILITY WAS A IMPORTANT TOPIC.

MAINTAINING BOTH THE ABILITY TO SAFELY ACCESS THE EXISTING DRIVEWAYS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE INTERSECTION PROVIDING SPLINTER ISLANDS FOR PEDESTRIANS TO CROSS SAFELY AND MAKING SURE THE CROSSWALKS WERE ADA ACCESSIBLE.

WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO COREY TO TOUCH ON A FEW OF THE ROUNDABOUT DESIGN ELEMENTS.

OKAY, PERFECT. TO START, NORMALLY I WOULD TRY TO DESCRIBE THE BENEFITS OR SAFETY BENEFITS OF A ROUNDABOUT, BUT THAT'S BEEN COVERED GREATLY TODAY. SO SPECIFICALLY WITH THIS PROJECT KEY COMPONENTS IS WE DO HAVE, FROM A PEDESTRIAN STANDPOINT, A PEDESTRIAN REFUGES FOR EVERY CROSSING.

THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE YOU'RE ONLY CROSSING ONE LANE OF TRAFFIC AT A TIME.

YOU ONLY HAVE TO PAY TO PAY ATTENTION TO VEHICLES COMING FROM ONE DIRECTION AT A TIME.

AND WITH THE ENHANCED VISIBILITY WITH THE GEOMETRY, IT'S A LOT EASIER TO SEE WHERE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM AS YOU'RE MAKING THE DECISION TO CROSS THE ROAD OR NOT. WE'RE ALSO PLANNING ON HAVING RECTANGULAR, RAPID FLASHING BEACONS WHERE THE SIGNS WHERE YOU HIT THE BUTTON AND IT FLASHES, LETTING EVERYBODY KNOW PEDESTRIANS IN THE CROSSWALK FOR ALL FOUR CROSSINGS.

AGAIN, FOR ENHANCED PEDESTRIAN SAFETY, SWITCHING A LITTLE BIT MORE TO BIKES AND OTHER USERS, ESPECIALLY WITH BIKES, YOU HAVE REALLY TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF USERS.

YOU HAVE YOUR CONFIDENT USERS AND YOU HAVE YOUR CONCERNED USERS.

THE ROUNDABOUT SET UP FOR YOUR CONFIDENT USERS, THOSE COMMUTERS, THEY CAN USE THE ROUNDABOUT JUST LIKE A CAR AS THEY NAVIGATE IT.

FOR EVERYBODY ELSE LIKE MYSELF, WHO'S A LOT MORE NERVOUS RIDING A BIKE BECAUSE I'VE CRASHED A LOT OF TIMES IN MY LIFE.

THERE'S A BIKE OFF RAMPS. SO BEFORE YOU GET TO THE ROUNDABOUT, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO LEAVE THE BIKE LANE, GET ON A SHARED USE FACILITY AND THEN NAVIGATE AROUND THE ROUNDABOUT, ACROSS AT THE CROSSWALKS.

AND THEN ONCE YOU GET OUTSIDE THE INFLUENCE OF THE ROUNDABOUT, YOU CAN GET BACK IN THE BIKE LANE.

THUS MEETING THE NEEDS OF DIFFERENT USERS. THEY'RE HARD TO SEE IN THE GRAPHIC ON YOUR SCREEN.

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THANK YOU. RIGHT HERE IS WHERE WE HAVE ONE OF THE BIKE OFF RAMPS.

IT'S USUALLY 50 PLUS FEET AWAY FROM THE CROSSWALK.

JUST GIVING YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO GET OUT OF THE TRAVELED WAY AND USE THE FACILITY IS MOST COMFORTABLE WITH YOU FROM THE VEHICULAR STANDPOINT. THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS EARLIER ABOUT FASTEST PATH AND HOW FAST CARS CAN ENTER THE ROUNDABOUT.

I WILL SAY PERSONALLY, I HAVE A LOT OF FUN WITH EVERY ROUNDABOUT I GET BUILT TRYING TO HIT THE FASTEST PATH AS I'M DRIVING THROUGH THEM.

MY TOYOTA TACOMA. I FEEL LIKE A RACE CAR DRIVER WHEN I'M TRYING TO GET UP TO THE THEORETICAL FASTEST PATH PEOPLE USE.

MY EXPERIENCE FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN, USUALLY THE ACTUAL USAGE IS SUBSTANTIALLY LOWER THAN THAT.

AND THE FASTEST PATH COMPONENT FROM A GEOMETRIC STANDPOINT.

IT'S ALL HOW MUCH ARE YOU MOVING CARS AROUND? THE MORE YOU MOVE CARS AROUND, THE BIGGER FOOTPRINT YOU HAVE. SO THERE'S A REAL BALANCING ACT BETWEEN HOW BIG OF A ROUNDABOUT YOU'RE BUILDING, HOW MUCH OF THE EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE YOU'RE TRYING TO PRESERVE WITH HOW MUCH YOU CAN REDUCE THE ENTRY SPEEDS.

SO THERE'S A LOT OF PIECES THAT GO INTO THAT.

ALSO, WHEN WE ARE TALKING ABOUT OTHER USERS DELIVERY TRUCKS, SCHOOL BUSSES IS A BIG ONE.

I'VE HEARD A LOT OF FEEDBACK FROM SCHOOL DISTRICTS OVER THE YEARS THAT THEY REALLY DON'T LIKE HAVING TO DRIVE ON THE CURBS WHEN THEY'RE GETTING KIDS TO AND FROM SCHOOL.

SO ON THE LAYOUT AND THE GEOMETRY, IT'S A BIG BALANCING ACT.

IF YOU, IF YOU FIX ONE THING, YOU MAKE SOMETHING ELSE WORSE.

SO HOW DO YOU GET ALL THE COMPONENTS TOGETHER TO GET THAT BEST SITUATION FOR, FOR ALL USERS AND ALL TYPES ONTO THE DESIGN ELEMENTS? A BIG THING THAT WE HEARD IS GOING TO BE THE DRIVEWAY ACCESS.

HOW DO PEOPLE WHO LIVE ALONG THE ROUNDABOUT, HOW ARE THEY ABLE TO GET HOME? HOW ARE THEY ABLE TO GET OUT OF THEIR HOME? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AS IT PERTAINS TO THE PHYSICAL BARRIERS WE HAVE BETWEEN VEHICULAR LANES.

SO WE'VE ADDRESSED THAT AND WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS.

AND THAT'S A LOT OF THAT TIES INTO HOW BIG ARE THE MEDIUMS WE HAVE.

AGAIN, IT'S THE TRADE OFF. HOW DO YOU STILL ALLOW PEOPLE TO GET IN AND OUT OF THEIR HOMES? HOW DO YOU PROTECT PEDESTRIANS AND HOW DOES ALL THAT COME TOGETHER? WE'RE ALSO TRYING TO PRESERVE VEGETATION IN THE AREA AND PROPERTY IMPROVEMENTS.

MAINTAIN PRIVACY WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP. HOW DO WE, WHAT'S THE SAFEST WAY WE CAN DO THIS? FROM A GLOBAL COMMUNITY STANDPOINT AND THEN FROM MORE OF A MICRO STANDPOINT, I REALLY DON'T WANT PEOPLE BEING STANDING RIGHT OUTSIDE MY FRONT DOOR LOOKING IN WHILE THEY'RE WAITING FOR A TIME TO CHANGE. SO DIFFERENT COMPONENTS.

BUT FROM THE MAINTENANCE OF PRIVACY, ALSO WITH THE CROSSWALKS BEING 20FT BACK, THAT'S TYING INTO THE IDEAL LOCATION FOR ACROSS CROSSWALKS FROM A VISIBILITY STANDPOINT WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE AT TODAY.

WE JUST HAD SOME ADDED BENEFITS OF PRESERVING PRIVACY.

AND OTHER THAN THAT, THE LAYOUT OF, OF THE ROUNDABOUT TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS TO THE EXISTING UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE, JUST TO KEEP THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT FROM GROWING AND GROWING AND GROWING.

BUT ON THAT, I'LL HAVE JOSH TALK MORE. OH, WAIT, NEVER MIND.

I'M OFF THE SLIDE, I APOLOGIZE. ON THE ROUNDABOUT PERFORMANCE, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT IT.

THE FASTEST ENTRY SPEED IS 25 MILES AN HOUR. THE DIFFERENTIAL SPEEDS ARE LESS THAN TEN MILES AN HOUR THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.

AGAIN, ON THE SPEED CONTROL WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. IT'S JUST HOW MUCH CAN YOU MOVE A CAR? THE MORE YOU MOVE THEM, THE HARDER IT IS FOR LARGER VEHICLES TO USE THE CORRIDOR AND THE MORE FOOTPRINT IT TAKES.

INTERSECTION ILLUMINATION IS A BIG COMPONENT OF THIS.

JUST MAKING SURE WE'RE PROVIDING THE, THE CORRECT FRONT LIGHTING FOR PEDESTRIANS AT NIGHT.

THEY'RE VISIBLE AT CROSSWALKS. THEN WE HAVE THE LINE OF SIGHT COMPONENTS OF THE DESIGN, MAKING SURE AS YOU'RE NAVIGATING THE ROUNDABOUT, BOTH AS A VEHICLE AND A PEDESTRIAN, YOU CAN SEE THE CONFLICTS THAT YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING FOR, WHICH AS YOU'RE DRIVING, IT'S GENERALLY CAN YOU SEE LEFT? AND SO YOU CAN DRIVE, RIGHT? AND THEN AS YOU'RE NAVIGATING, WHERE ARE THE PEDESTRIANS AND DO YOU HAVE APPROPRIATE TIME TO STOP SO THEY CAN CROSS? MAKING SURE WE HAVE THE RIGHT WIDTH FOR EASY EMERGENCY ACCESS WAS ANOTHER COMPONENT OF THIS.

AND LASTLY, MAKING SURE WE DON'T TRAP ANYBODY WITH THIS INTERSECTION.

SO IF THERE'S A LARGE TRUCK THAT MOVED DOWN THIS CORRIDOR, CAN WE AT LEAST KEEP THEM MOVING? AND NOT CREATE GRIDLOCK BECAUSE THEY CAN'T NAVIGATE THROUGH THE ROUNDABOUT.

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COREY. IN ADDITION TO THE GEOMETRICS, THE OTHER CONSIDERATIONS.

IN ADDITION TO THE GEOMETRICS AND OTHER CONSIDERATIONS ARE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT AS PART OF THE DESIGN THAT INCLUDED IMPACTS TO THE EXISTING STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM. WE ARE INTEGRATING AND MAINTAINING THE CURRENT FLOWS.

THERE WILL BE ROUGHLY SEVEN INLETS THAT WILL BE REPLACED AS PART OF THIS DESIGN, BUT WE ARE GOING TO MAINTAIN THOSE DRAINAGE PATTERNS BOTH DURING CONSTRUCTION AND POST POST-CONSTRUCTION. THE THERE ARE EXISTING CITY UTILITIES WITHIN THE LIMITS.

WE ARE WORKING WITH THAT DEPARTMENT. SO THERE WILL BE MODIFICATIONS TO THE EXISTING WATER MAIN WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT.

THE FORCE MAIN AND AS COREY MENTIONED STREET LIGHTING WILL BE IMPACTED, BUT IT'S BEING IMPACTED TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE CROSSWALKS AS PART OF THE DESIGN.

OTHER UTILITY IMPACTS THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY A CITY BURDEN, BUT WILL BE PART OF THE PROJECT INCLUDE IMPACTS TO CENTURYLINK, FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT VERIZON AS WELL AS COMCAST.

AND THEN FINALLY, THERE'S OTHER OPPORTUNITIES WITHIN THIS PROJECT ASIDE FROM THE GEOMETRICS AND THE UTILITIES, THERE ARE SOME ESTHETIC CONSIDERATIONS. WE DO HAVE A CURRENT LANDSCAPING PLAN.

AND, BUT WE ARE WORKING WITH THE CITY'S LANDSCAPING DEPARTMENT AND THAT WILL LIKELY BE UPGRADED AND SLIGHTLY MODIFIED AS WE MOVE FORWARD INTO THE FINAL BID DOCUMENTS. ALSO THERE MAY BE POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES WORKING OR LOOKING AT HARDSCAPE ESTHETIC BENEFITS, SUCH AS ON THE CENTRAL ISLAND. AND THEN WE HAVE, AS I MENTIONED, BEEN MEETING WITH STAKEHOLDERS AND GETTING VARIOUS INPUT.

SO THE NEXT STEPS MOVING FORWARD, WE'RE HERE TODAY TO PROVIDE COUNCIL WITH THE DESIGN PROGRESS UPDATE.

AS WE MOVE FORWARD INTO THE FINAL DESIGN, WE WILL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE UTILITY COORDINATION AND DESIGN MOVING INTO THE APRIL TIMEFRAME MOVING INTO THE PROJECT, BIDDING AND WORKING TOWARDS CONTRACTOR SELECTION.

COMING BACK TO COUNCIL IN THE MAY AND JUNE TIME FRAME FOR APPROVAL OF THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT.

AND THEN FINALLY BEGINNING CONSTRUCTION IN THE SUMMER OF 2026.

AND WE'RE LOOKING AT ROUGHLY A TEN MONTH PROJECT DURATION.

SO WITH THAT, I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND WE'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

COUNCIL ANY QUESTIONS WHILE. OKAY, SCHULTZ, THANK YOU FOR THE DESIGN WORK THAT YOU PUT TOGETHER.

I'VE BOTHERED TO READ EVERY COMMENT FROM THE FROM PAGE 304 TO 313.

AND OUT OF 184 COMMENTS. JUST 15 SUPPORTED THE ROUNDABOUT.

WHATEVER BECAME OF THE MAST ARM AS A POTENTIAL RESOLUTION TO THIS MATTER.

SO I CAN PROVIDE THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF HISTORY.

I TRIED TO, TO PROVIDE THAT IN THE THE AGENDA MEMO, BUT TO BACK UP THE CITY HAD ACTUALLY HIRED JOHNSON ENGINEERING TO COMPLETE THE DESIGN OF THE MASTER IN OCTOBER OF 2023.

AND THEN IN NOVEMBER OF 2024, THERE WAS A PEDESTRIAN FATALITY THAT PROMPTED THE INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY TO COMPARE THE SAFETY OF THE ROUNDABOUTS VERSUS THE SIGNAL. AND THEN IN APRIL OF 2025, THE MOORINGS HELD A SAFETY TOWN MEETING TO DISCUSS THE PROJECT AND REQUEST THE STAFF.

WE PROVIDE INFORMATION ON ROUNDABOUTS VERSUS SIGNALS.

FOLLOWING THAT, AT THE JUNE 4TH, 2025 CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WE BROUGHT FORWARD THE BID FOR THE MAST ARM CONSTRUCTION.

WE PRESENTED THAT, I. AT THAT TIME. CITY COUNCIL ULTIMATELY VOTED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A REVISED ROUNDABOUT.

PLANS FOR THE INTERSECTION. THERE WAS THE OUTPOURING OF FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT RAISED THOSE CONCERNS OF INTEREST IN BRINGING FORWARD, AGAIN, THE ROUNDABOUT OPTIONS. SO THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THAT TIME.

SO WE DID THAT AND THEN FOLLOWING IT IN THE SEPTEMBER 24TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THAT'S WHEN IT WAS APPROVED FOR THE NEW TASK ORDER FOR THE THE ROUNDABOUT FOR JOHNSON ENGINEERING. SO I'M GOING TO EXPAND ON THAT A LITTLE BIT.

SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TODAY. WE STILL HAVE THE DESIGN.

WHEN I TOOK OVER AS CITY MANAGER, THIS PROJECT AFTER WE HAD IT READY TO GO PRIOR TO MY BECOMING CITY MANAGER WITH FDOT,

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WHAT SHE ALLUDED TO THERE IS WHEN I TOOK OVER AS CITY MANAGER, IT WAS PROJECTED FOR FDOT NOT UNTIL 2029.

AND WE SAID, LOOK, IT'S IT'S BEEN TOO LONG ALREADY.

WE'VE CHANGED IT. SO WE WENT OUT FOR THE RFP, HAD CONSTRUCTION RFP BIDS AND QUOTES IN HAND, AND COUNCIL DETERMINED THAT THEY WANTED TO GO THE ROUNDABOUT WAY.

SO WHERE WE STAND TODAY, WHEN YOU SAY, WHERE DID IT GO? WE WORK AT THE PLEASURE AND THE DIRECTION OF CITY COUNCIL.

WE'RE HERE AS A DISCUSSION TODAY TO SAY MASS START WAS DESIGNED AND IT CHANGED.

AND IT WAS CHANGED BACK NOW TO A ROUNDABOUT. IN ORDER TO PURSUE A ROUNDABOUT, WE HAD TO REFRESH THE CONCEPTUAL TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING WAS READY.

NOT CONCEPTUAL, BUT ACTUAL DESIGN, SO WE CAN PUT IT OUT TO BID.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE STAND TODAY. SO IT IS INCUMBENT UPON THIS BODY TO DETERMINE WHAT DIRECTION WE'RE GOING TO GO AND DIRECT STAFF, WHETHER IT IS ACCEPTING THESE PLANS AS A ROUNDABOUT AND CONTINUING DOWN THAT PATH THAT THEY.

THAT WAS THAT WE WERE SET UPON IN JUNE OF LAST YEAR.

SO THANK YOU. I CAN SPEAK DIRECTLY. I PERSONALLY THINK ROUNDABOUTS ARE THE BEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD.

I'M A PROFESSIONAL RACE CAR DRIVER AND THEY'RE FUN.

I CAN TEST LIKE THE CAR THAT I'M DRIVING. HOWEVER, FOR TRAFFIC SAFETY, IT'S ANOTHER MATTER.

THE OTHER DAY I WAS JUST COMING BACK FROM HERE OVER AT CENTRAL AND EIGHTH, AND I HAD TO WAIT IN TRAFFIC FOR THE BETTER PART OF 7 OR 8 MINUTES, WHICH SOUNDS LIKE NOTHING, BUT WHEN YOU'RE SITTING THERE TRYING TO GET TO YOUR DENTAL APPOINTMENT, LIKE THIS MORNING, I HAD A DIFFERENT DELAY FOR HELPING SOMEBODY, BUT IT WAS VERY PROBLEMATIC. IT JUST STOPS TRAFFIC AND IT'S TOTALLY IN ITS TRACKS.

I DON'T KNOW HOW A FIRE TRUCK WOULD EVER GET THROUGH THERE IF THERE WAS AN ISSUE. A SECOND ISSUE THAT I HAVE IS THE ROUTE AND THE PATH THAT THE BEACH RENOURISHMENT TRUCKS GO ON. I BELIEVE THEY HAD OVER PARK SHORE.

AND GULF SHORE AND THEY HEAD SOUTH AND THEN THEY HAVE TO GO AROUND THIS INTERSECTION.

AND THEN THEY GO WHEN THEY'RE EMPTIED, THE TRUCKS COME BACK AROUND THIS INTERSECTION.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BEVY OF TRUCKS THAT ARE GOING TO PROBABLY, WHEN FULLY LOADED, PROBABLY CAUSE SERIOUS DAMAGE TO THE CURBS.

WHEN I, WHEN I JUST LIVE LIFE'S EXPERIENCE, I THINK THEY'RE FUN, BUT THERE ARE ELEMENTS IN THE COMMUNITY THAT PROBABLY ARE A UNFAMILIAR WITH HOW ROUNDABOUTS FUNCTION.

WHEN I READ THE 187, I MEAN, THESE ARE OVERWHELMINGLY AGAINST IT.

AND I RECOGNIZE THAT THE MOORINGS PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE HAD THEIR MEETINGS, BUT I UNDERSTAND THAT THE MOORINGS PROPERTY OWNERS REQUIRE $1,000 TO JOIN.

AND SO MANY MEMBERS IN THAT AREA DON'T NECESSARILY JOIN BECAUSE OF THE COST INVOLVED.

THEY DON'T SEE IT'S WORTH THE JUICE WORTH THE SQUEEZE.

SO THERE ARE ELEMENTS THAT GET FROZEN OUT OF THE PROCESS.

AND WHEN I LOOK AT AS OFTEN AS WE DO BEACH RENOURISHMENT AND THE WEIGHT OF THE VEHICLES COMING AND GOING AND THAT SETUP, I SEE IT BEING FAIRLY PROBLEMATIC. AND THUS AS THAT, WITHOUT ARGUING WITH ANYBODY, I SURE DON'T MEAN TO DO THAT TO ME. A MAST ARM SEEMS FAR MORE LOGICAL JUST FROM A MAINTENANCE POINT OF VIEW AND MUCH LESS STRUCTURE.

SO AGAIN, I'M JUST READING THE DOCUMENTS THAT ARE IN THE PACKET, AND IT'S JUST A STEADY BEVY OF DIET AGAINST ROUNDABOUT FOR A MASTER. SO GIVEN THE PATH OF THE BEACH RENOURISHMENT, WHICH HAPPENED VERY FREQUENTLY WILL THERE BE A BUDGET TO TRY TO REPAIR ALL THE BLOWN OUT CURBS AND OTHER ISSUES WITH THESE BIG, BIG TRUCKS THAT ARE GOING TO CAUSE SOME SERIOUS ANXIETY IN THAT AREA.

SO FROM THE STANDPOINT OF A BUDGET. SO I WOULD I WOULD LIKE THEM TO COMMENT ON THE DESIGN ELEMENTS AS TO HOW A TRUCK NAVIGATES.

AND I KNOW THEY'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE AND, AND THEY TALKED ABOUT IT WHEN, WHEN COUNCIL CHANGED DIRECTION TO GO IN JUNE.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT ON THE DESIGN AND HOW IT'S CONSTRUCTED, KNOWING THAT THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT TRUCK ROUTE IN TERMS OF.

AND I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, I WAS JUST THESE GENTLEMEN HERE CAN SAY HOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MAST ARM? THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO REITERATE THAT IT REALLY IS STILL ON THE TABLE AS IT PERTAINS TO COUNCIL DIRECTION.

WE'RE JUST NOW IN A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE THEM BOTH SITTING IN OUR HAND.

WHICH ONE ARE WE GOING TO DO? SO? BUT WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO TOUCH A LITTLE BIT ON THAT.

THE STABILITY OF THE CONSTRUCTION AND IT RELATES TO HEAVIER VEHICLES TRAVELING ON ON THAT PATH.

ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, WE DID. AND, AND IT'S AN EXTREMELY VALID CONCERN.

WE DID TAKE TIME RUNNING VARIOUS DESIGN VEHICLES THROUGH THIS INTERSECTION.

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IT WILL BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE EMERGENCY RESPONSE AND THOSE DUMP TRUCK SIZE VEHICLES FAIRLY WELL.

WHERE WE DO START TO SEE SOME CONSTRAINTS, A LITTLE BIT OF OFF TRACKING INTO THAT, THAT CENTRAL PART OF THE ROUNDABOUT WAS ON THE LARGER SEMI TYPE SIZED VEHICLES. COREY, DID YOU WANT TO EXPAND ON? YEAH. AND BY A LARGER SEMI TYPE VEHICLES WAS TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE REALLY LARGE INTERSTATE ONLY VEHICLES WHERE THEY HAVE THEY'RE CALLED WB 62 OR 62FT LONG. I AM FAMILIAR.

THANK YOU. SO THOSE ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT WILL FREQUENTLY USE THE TRUCK APRONS OR BE GOING OVER THE ROAD CURBS.

THE FREQUENT USERS WOULD BE BOUND TO THE ROADWAY SECTION.

SO THIS IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION IN THAT SINCE YOU SEEM TO KNOW THE SIZE OF TRUCKS, THE CAR TRUCKS THAT LOAD AND UNLOAD VEHICLES, DO YOU KNOW THE THOSE WOULD BE.

I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, BUT THEY WOULD BE ON THE ORDER OF A WB 50 TO A WB 62.

SO THOSE ONES IF THEY'RE MOVING THROUGH HERE THEY MIGHT BE GOING OVER THE TRUCK APRONS.

HOW LARGE IS THE TRUCK APRON. I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.

IT'S IN THAT 10 TO 15 FOOT RANGE AS FAR AS WIDTH.

AND WHAT WE'RE REFERRING TO IS IT'LL BE A BRICK PAVER AREA IN THE IN THAT CENTRAL ISLAND.

BRICK PAVER. IS THAT FOR ESTHETICS OR IS IT FOR MAINTENANCE OR.

BOTH. IT IS A HEAVIER BRICK. BRICK PAVER TO TAKE THE WEIGHT OF THOSE LARGER VEHICLES.

BUT IT COULD CERTAINLY BE A CONCRETE OR ANOTHER.

ANOTHER MATERIAL. BUT FOR CONSISTENCY. WITH OTHER ROUNDABOUTS WITHIN THE CITY, WE WERE MATCHING THE THE BRICK PAVERS SIMILAR TO OTHER LOCATIONS.

YEAH, THAT'S WHAT WE TYPICALLY WE DO HAVE IN OUR OTHER AT OUR OTHER LOCATIONS WITHIN THE CITY.

IF YOU SEE IT CENTRAL, WE HAVE THE BRICK PAVERS LINING AND I DID PULL UP THE PLANS.

IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A TEN FOOT TRUCK APRON ACCORDING TO THE.

YEAH, I COULDN'T REALLY DETERMINE THAT. YES. MR. RIVERA, IF I MAY. AS FAR AS MAINTENANCE, EVEN WITH TRAFFIC SIGNALS, WE HAVE MAINTENANCE ON OUR CURBING.

NOW OUR PEDESTRIAN SIGNALS GET KNOCKED DOWN. SO WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO HAVE MAINTENANCE NO MATTER WHAT WE HAVE.

AND LIKE THEY WERE MENTIONING OUR BRICKS NOW, WE WENT FROM A TWO AND A QUARTER LIKE THE THREE, ALMOST 3.5IN THICK PAVER BRICKS THAT WE USE NOW.

AND THEY TEND TO THE PSI IS GREATER PER INCH ON THOSE.

I'M KNOWN AS MR. AUNTIE. THAT MIGHT BE TRUE A LITTLE BIT, BUT AS FAR AS THE REASON I AM IS LOCATION AND LIKE YOU MENTIONED ON EIGHTH STREET AND 10TH STREET, I WAS AGAINST IT AT THE TIME BECAUSE I KNEW IT WOULD GET GRIDLOCK ONCE WE TOOK THEM INTERSECTIONS AWAY.

I KNEW THAT WE HAD NO CONTROL THERE AND THEY WOULD GRIDLOCK AT THIS LOCATION.

I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING AT ALL. I MEAN, IT'S WIDE OPEN.

WE SHOULDN'T BE SEEING ANY GRIDLOCK AT ALL. YEAH.

I APPRECIATE YOUR EXPERTISE AND HISTORIC KNOWLEDGE ON THAT.

SO BUT DO MOST OF OUR ROUNDABOUTS HAVE BRICK PAVERS OR JUST CONCRETE APRONS? IT HAS A CONCRETE BEGINNING, WHAT THEY CALL LIKE AN AID TYPE CURBING.

ALLOWS THE VEHICLE TO DRIVE ON TO THE PAVERS.

AND THAT'S AN AREA FOR THE TRUCKS TO BE ABLE TO, TO MAKE THAT SWING AROUND.

THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN SCHULTZ, FOR LETTING ME INTERJECT THERE. ANYTHING ELSE ON YOUR QUESTIONS? MY WIFE'S FROM FINLAND. I'VE SPENT THE BETTER PART OF ALMOST TEN YEARS VISITING THERE FOR THREE MONTHS EVERY SUMMER.

AND THEY WORK FAMOUSLY BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE LEARN FROM THE MOMENT THEY GET THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE AND HOW THESE FUNCTION.

WE HAVE SOME SEASONED CITIZENS THAT ARE OFTENTIMES HAVING PROBLEMS WITH TRAFFIC.

AND TO DO THIS, YOU CAN SEE IT JUST IT'S A FREEZE THAT PEOPLE JUST STOP COLD.

AND FOR EXAMPLE, AT THE CENTRAL AND EIGHTH STREET I WAS STUCK.

AND I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT ANY MS VEHICLE WOULD BE DOING WHEN YOU'RE JUST.

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THE TIMING OF THE LIGHTS. EXCUSE ME. AND IT'S JUST IT STOPS.

SO IN MY JUDGMENT, FOR A PERSON WHO'S NOT A TRAINED DRIVER AND SOMEBODY WHO'S I MEAN, I DIDN'T GROW UP, WE DIDN'T HAVE ROUNDABOUTS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE THEY SIMPLY DIDN'T HAVE ANY SPACE FOR THEM. AND I WAS FROM A VERY POOR AREA. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN I READ THE COMMENTS FROM THE PEOPLE WHO COULD NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE IN THE ACTUAL MEETINGS IT'S, I COULD, IF THE RECORD CAN BE JUST ACCEPTED AS IS YOU KNOW, HOW DOES THAT WORK FOR PEDESTRIANS? WHEN BIKING, I MEAN, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF COMMENTS AGAINST IT, BUT I DO KNOW THAT WE NEED SOMETHING FOR SAFETY IN THAT AREA.

DEFINITELY DO. BUT AT THIS POINT, I THINK I'D BE MORE INCLINED TO REVISIT THE MAST ARM, BUT I'M OPEN TO ARGUMENTS FROM OTHER FOLKS THAT THINK THAT THAT THE ELDERLY POPULATION THAT HAS A HARD TIME DRIVING PERIOD AND BUT THEY'RE STILL IN THEIR CARS.

SO THAT IS MY THOUGHT. OKAY. YEAH, UNFORTUNATELY, ROUNDABOUTS DON'T COME WITH INSTRUCTIONS.

SO IT'S IT MAKES IT A LITTLE DIFFICULT. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN. SO I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED HERE.

I ATTENDED QUITE A FEW OF THE FORUMS WHEN THREE OF YOU WERE RUNNING FOR THIS PARTICULAR SEAT ON CITY COUNCIL, AND I HEARD A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND TALK ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF RESILIENCY.

SO I LOOK AT A ROUNDABOUT AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR RESILIENCY.

AND LET ME LET ME FOLLOW UP WITH THAT WITH WHAT I HAVE HERE.

BIORETENTION AREAS SUCH AS RAIN GARDENS, BIOSWALES, AND ROUNDABOUTS CREATE A SYNERGISTIC OPPORTUNITY FOR SUSTAINABLE URBAN DESIGN.

BOTH BOTH COMBINING TRAFFIC CALMING WITH WATER QUALITY IMPROVEMENTS.

THE CENTRAL ISLANDS APRON AREAS AND SPLINTER ISLANDS OF ROUNDABOUTS OFFER UNUSED SPACE THAT CAN BE ENGINEERED TO COLLECT, TREAT AND INFILTRATE STORMWATER WOUND WATER. NOW, IF THAT WAS YOUR IF THIS IS WHAT YOU WERE SAYING TO THE PEOPLE THAT WERE ATTENDING THOSE SESSIONS, THAT BASICALLY YOU WERE RUNNING ON A RESILIENCY TICKET.

THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAND BEHIND WHAT YOU WERE SAYING TO THE CITIZENS AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME, BECAUSE THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD IN A BIO RETENTION SITUATION THAT WILL HELP WITH STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS.

SO THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM ON THIS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT. BUT WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I THINK I KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT RESILIENCY HAVING BEEN SELECTED BY THE COLLIER COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS TO DEAL WITH THE ARMY CORPS. AND I DIDN'T SEE YOU AT ANY OF THOSE MEETINGS, MR. SCHULTZ. WELL, I'M NOT GOING TO BE LECTURED ABOUT RESILIENCY ON WHAT I SAID ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL BY SOMEBODY WHO WASN'T THERE.

OKAY. I'M NOT GOING TO GO DOWN THOSE ROADS. THANK YOU.

I THINK THAT IT'S A VERY GOOD POINT. WE DID WE WERE PRESENTED WITH THE FACT THAT THERE WERE STORMWATER CHANGES BEING MADE IS CAN YOU JUST GO THROUGH THE LANDSCAPING AREA AND THOSE.

CORRECT. AND HOPEFULLY EVERYONE CAN CAN SEE MY SCREEN AND FOLLOW ALONG WITH THE POINTER IN THE SOUTHEAST QUADRANT OF THE INTERSECTION. THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY. THERE IS A RIGHT SLIP LANE THERE THAT WILL BE USED SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE ROUNDABOUT, THE FOCAL POINT IS BEING SHIFTED SLIGHTLY TO THE SOUTHEAST SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE THAT, THAT OPTIMAL TRAFFIC FLOW FOR LARGER VEHICLES.

BUT IT DID PRESENT AN OPPORTUNITY IN THIS GENERAL VICINITY TO HAVE AN AREA FOR SOME STORMWATER TREATMENT.

AND THEN I MENTIONED THIS OLDER STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE, WE ARE GOING TO MIMIC AND PRESERVE HISTORIC DRAINAGE PATTERNS, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE NEW PIPE AND NEW INLETS AT ALL, PRETTY MUCH ALL FOUR QUADRANTS OF THIS INTERSECTION CONVEYING THE WATER PRIMARILY TO THE SOUTHEAST. THERE IS SOME THAT THAT GOES GOES TO THE WEST, BUT IT WILL BE NEW STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE WITH OPPORTUNITY IN THE SOUTHEAST.

AND THEN WE WILL HAVE VEGETATED MEDIANS. NOW THEY CURRENTLY ARE VEGETATED, SO IT DOESN'T REALLY PROVIDE NEW GREEN SPACE, BUT IN THE NORTHEAST CORNER THERE WILL BE A, A, A SLIGHT INCREASE IN GREEN SPACE, BUT NOT FOR NECESSARILY FOR STORMWATER.

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CAN YOU JUST BE. IS THERE A BETTER SLIDE? I HAVE BETTER DETAILS IN, IN THE ENGINEERING ON THE ROADWAY PLAN AND PROFILES JUST FOR SAFETY FOR THE BICYCLE BICYCLES.

GO TO THE UTILITY SLIDE. IT'S PROBABLY THE CLEANEST. YEAH. WE MAY HAVE IT.

AND THE INTENT OF THIS SLIDE WASN'T TO NECESSARILY SHOW THE, THE BICYCLE INFRASTRUCTURE IS MORE SHOWED MORE.

SO TO SHOW THE UTILITIES. BUT LOOKING AT THE NORTHEAST QUADRANT, THIS IS WHAT ONE OF THOSE.

THOSE BIKE OFF RAMPS LOOKS LIKE. SO THEY WOULD BE TRAVELING EASTBOUND AND A BICYCLIST CAN EITHER UTILIZE THE ROUNDABOUT WITH A VEHICLE OR THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY IF THEY CHOOSE.

SO TO EXIT ON A RAMP TAKE THE SHARED USE PATH AND THEN NAVIGATE THROUGH THE CROSSWALKS.

AND IN THIS CASE, IF THEY WANTED TO CONTINUE WESTBOUND WOULD REENTER HARBOR DRIVE BACK THROUGH THROUGH A RAMP IMMEDIATELY WEST OF THE, THE NEWLY CONSTRUCTED ROUNDABOUT. OKAY. SO THERE'S TWO TYPES OF BICYCLISTS.

YOU HAVE YOUR FAMILY BICYCLIST AND THEN YOU HAVE YOUR INTENTIONAL BIKE RIDER.

SO THIS IS SIMILAR TO THE ONE ON, ON CENTRAL WHERE YOU CAN GET OFF OF YOUR BIKE, WALK IT ACROSS, OR YOU CAN STAY WITHIN THE ROUNDABOUT AND RIDE SAFELY.

THAT'S CORRECT. AND THERE WILL BE SIGNAGE TO THAT EFFECT.

THANK YOU. THAT'S PART OF THE PROJECT. OKAY. AND WHERE WILL THAT SIGNAGE BE? ON THE ON THE APPROACHES. AND THEN ALSO THERE'LL BE PAVEMENT MARKINGS WITHIN THE ROUNDABOUT WITHIN THE ROUNDABOUT ITSELF.

OKAY. WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN TO OUR STAFF REPORT, BUT I HAVE SEVERAL COUNCIL MEMBERS STILL TO SPEAK.

DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, MR. RIVERA? I WAS JUST GOING TO SAY MOST OF OUR DESIGNS NOW HAVE THAT DESCENDING LANE, AND IT GIVES YOU THE OPTION TO GET ON THE SIDEWALK.

LIKE YOU MENTIONED, FOR THE FAMILIES, THE KIDS NOW YOU GOT YOUR GO FAST BIKES THAT DON'T TEND TO DO THAT.

THEY JUST RIDE IT THROUGH THE CENTER OF IT. OKAY.

THANK YOU. WE STILL HAVE OUR STAFF REPORT. BUT COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON.

YES. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO GIVE SOME CONTEXT IN REFERENCE TO, TO OUR DECISION GOING TO THE ROUNDABOUT FROM THE STAFF, FROM THE MAST ARMS. YOU KNOW, WE HAD A FATALITY HERE AT THIS INTERSECTION WHICH, WHICH CAUSED OR WAS A CATALYST, I SHOULD SAY, FOR THE, FOR THE DISCUSSION TO BE HAD AGAIN.

AND ULTIMATELY WE, WE DID SWITCH TO THE ROUNDABOUT AND IT WAS IT HAD TO DO WITH SAFETY.

AND THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM. THAT'S MY, MY, THE CORNERSTONE THAT I'M BUILDING MY DECISION ON.

AND THAT IS THE SAFETY OF OUR RESIDENTS. WE'VE GOT STUDY AFTER STUDY AFTER STUDY THAT TELLS US THAT ROUNDABOUTS ARE SAFER.

FROM A TRAFFIC STANDPOINT. AND, AND THERE ARE SOME OUT THERE THAT EVEN SUGGEST THOUGH THAT, THAT MAYBE THEY'RE NOT SAFER OR THEY DON'T CREATE ANY SAFETY FOR PEDESTRIANS OR BICYCLISTS, BUT I WOULD CONTEND THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THIS DESIGN.

THIS DESIGN IS AWESOME. IT GIVES THE BICYCLE BICYCLIST AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET OFF AN EXIT AREA SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO BE A PART OF THE ROUNDABOUT, WHICH IS WONDERFUL. KEEPS THEM OUT OF THE EQUATION.

AND THEN ALSO FROM A PEDESTRIAN STANDPOINT, YOU'VE GOT THESE OASIS ISLANDS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET THAT GIVE PEDESTRIANS THE OPPORTUNITY WHERE THEY DON'T HAVE TO CROSS THE ENTIRE ROAD IN 1 IN 1 FELL SWOOP. THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET TO THE CENTER THERE WHERE THE SPLINTER ISLAND IS, AND THEY CAN WAIT IF THEY NEED TO DO SO. AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO, TO BE A TRACK STAR TO GET ACROSS THE ROAD WITHOUT GETTING INTO THE TRAFFIC'S WAY THERE. SO I COMMEND YOU GUYS ON THE DESIGN BECAUSE IT DOES FACTOR IN FEATURES FOR THE CYCLISTS AND ALSO FOR THE FOR THE PEDESTRIANS.

AND AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THE STUDIES THAT WE SAW THAT WE CONTINUE TO SEE ABOUT THE SAFETY WITH FROM A VEHICULAR STANDPOINT.

AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, I WOULD TAKE A LOOK AT THIS MORNING SAFETY SURVEY, WHICH WAS DONE LAST YEAR.

AND THE SURVEY SAYS 76.9% OF THE RESPONDENTS FOR THIS SURVEY ARE IN FAVOR OF THE ROUNDABOUT.

SO I REALIZE, COUNCILMAN SCHOLZ, THERE ARE A BUNCH OF NEGATIVE COMMENTS ABOUT THE ROUNDABOUT IN OUR DOCUMENTATION HERE, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE THE THE SURVEY HERE THAT WAS DONE FOR THE RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA.

AND IT'S, IT'S OVERWHELMINGLY IT'S IN FAVOR OF THIS ROUNDABOUT.

SO AGAIN, MY, MY FOCAL POINT HERE AS WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION IS THE SAFETY.

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THANK YOU. OKAY. WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE TO THE STAFF REPORT.

ALL RIGHT. SO AGAIN, I'VE PROVIDED A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE HISTORY ON THE ROUNDABOUT VERSUS THE MAST ARM. WE'VE HAD AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF HISTORY THAT I COULD GET INTO, BUT I'M GOING TO START WITH OUR LAST MEETING.

A COUNCIL AT SEPTEMBER 24TH WHERE THE NEW TASK ORDER WAS APPROVED.

SINCE THEN WE HAD JOHNSON ENGINEERING WAS HIRED AND WE HAD AN ON SITE MEETING AT THE ROUNDABOUT THAT WAS KICKED OFF BETWEEN THE TEAMS. WE THAT INCLUDED THE UTILITIES DIVISION THE COMMUNITY SERVICES AND OUR STREETS DIVISION TO LOOK AT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. SINCE THIS ROUNDABOUT OR THE, THE ROUNDABOUT PLANS HAD BEEN SITTING FOR SOME TIME.

THEY, THEY, WE WERE IN NEED OF LOOKING AT THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND MAKING SURE THAT THE REVISIONS WERE IMPACTFUL AND AT LEAST LEAST IMPACTFUL TO THE EXISTING AND SURROUNDING COMMUNITY.

AT THAT TIME. ACTUALLY, ONE OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS APPROACHED OUR TEAM AND HAD OFFERED TO HOST A MEETING AT THEIR HOME.

SO WE HAD A KICKOFF MEETING OR WE HAD A VIRTUAL KICKOFF MEETING AT THAT POINT BETWEEN OUR STAFF ON DECEMBER 2ND.

AND WE SCHEDULED A MEETING WITH ONE OF THE OR WITH SEVERAL OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS OR THEIR REPRESENTATIVES EXCEPT FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER AT THE SOUTHEAST CORNER AT THAT TIME WE WENT AND WE AT JOHNSON ENGINEERING BROUGHT A SECTION OF THE PLANS, THE RENDERINGS AND, OR THE DESIGN OF THE PLANS THAT THEY HAD AT THAT POINT AND LOOKED AT INDIVIDUALLY, THOSE DIRECT IMPACTS FOR EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS THEIR ACCESS, THE RESIDENTS WERE ABLE TO ASK ANY QUESTIONS THAT THEY HAD.

WE WALKED AND LOOKED AT THE LANDSCAPING IMPACTS, LOOKED AT THE LIGHTING SAFETY CONCERNS AND DISCUSS THOSE IN GREAT DETAIL.

WE DID HAVE A MEETING TO FOLLOW UP SINCE WE HAD ONE PROPERTY OWNER THAT WAS NOT ABLE TO ATTEND THAT MEETING.

WE MET ON SITE YESTERDAY AFTERNOON AND WENT OVER THEIR CONCERNS TO ADDRESS SOME ISSUES THAT THEY HAVE THAT I THINK THAT IT SOUNDS AS IF THE JONSSON ENGINEERING TEAM IS ABLE TO MAKE THOSE ACCOMMODATIONS FOR THEM. SO THIS UPDATE ESSENTIALLY PROVIDES THE DESIGN PLANS BASED ON THE IMPACTS AND THE FEEDBACK OF THE IMPACTED RESIDENTS. THOSE PROPERTY OWNERS HAD CONSIDERED THOSE GEOMETRIC GEOMETRIC IMPACTS, INCLUDING THE TRUCK TRAFFIC. THAT WAS A CRITICAL ISSUE THAT WE'VE RECEIVED FROM FEEDBACK FROM PRIOR COUNCIL MEETINGS.

THE RIGHT OF WAY IMPACTS SAFETY, OF COURSE, IS A PRIORITY.

AT THIS INTERSECTION WITH BOTH PEDESTRIANS AND VEHICLES FLASHING UNITS FOR THE CROSSWALK APPROACHES WERE SOMETHING THAT WE HAD RECEIVED. WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THOSE THOSE WERE IMPLEMENTED.

CONSIDERING THE SAFETY FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE ALREADY RECEIVED, AND AS WE'RE ALL AWARE, THIS IS A VERY HIGHLY CRITICAL LOCATION WHERE THERE'S A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC THAT USES THIS CORRIDOR.

THESE WOULD ESSENTIALLY, THE DESIGN IS SIMILAR TO THE ROUNDABOUTS ALONG EIGHTH EIGHTH STREET AND CENTRAL AVENUE, EXCEPT FOR OMITTING THE THE LOCATION VARIATION OF WHERE IT IS IN RELATION TO AN ADJACENT SIGNAL, AS MENTIONED BEFORE. WE I DID, THERE WAS A QUESTION AS FAR AS OR A COMMENT AS FAR AS THE LOOK OF IT, I KNOW ON THE THE POWERPOINT I MAY HAVE JOHNSON OR WE MAY TRY TO, I MIGHT HAVE THEM PULL THIS UP, BUT YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE LAYOUT OF ONE OF THE EXISTING ROUNDABOUTS WHERE WE DO HAVE THE BRICK PAVERS THAT WE CAN, WE CAN SHOW FOR YOU. SO AS IT WAS ALREADY MENTIONED AS WELL, THE UTILITY DESIGN HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED.

THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP PROVIDING APPROVAL.

AND THEN THE COMMUNITY SERVICE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE RESIDENTS AND THE COMMUNITY ON A LANDSCAPING PALLET PLANTING PALLET FOR THE HARBOR DRIVE CORRIDOR.

SO THE LANDSCAPING PLAN IS PENDING FEEDBACK AND APPROVAL BY CITY COUNCIL TO FINALIZE THE ROUNDABOUT PLAN.

SO THAT'S, THAT WILL BE PULLED IN AND DESIGNED ACCORDINGLY.

WITH THIS UPDATE, AS, AS CITY MANAGER MENTIONED, WE ARE REQUESTING CONSENSUS CONSENSUS TO PROCEED WITH FINALIZING THE DESIGN,

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RESILIENCY. WE ARE TRYING TO MEET THE DEADLINES, DEADLINES AS WITH ANY OF OUR PROJECTS, OUR GOAL IS TO TRY TO GO IN AND WORK UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR HAVE UNDER CONSTRUCTION DURING THE OFF SEASON.

SO WE HAVE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF IMPACT TO THE RESIDENTS AND COMMUNITY.

THAT IS WHAT IS KIND OF PROMPTING WITH TRYING TO GET SOME SORT OF DIRECTION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.

WHATEVER ROUTE WE GO, WE DO HAVE FROM JOHNSON ENGINEERING'S TEAM, THEY HAVE THEIR THEIR DESIGNER AND EXPERT AND ROUNDABOUTS.

THEY ALSO HAVE LEAH HERE THAT IS ALSO THEIR EXPERT IN THE SIGNAL.

WE HAVE 100 100% DESIGN PLANS FOR THE SIGNAL.

AND WE ARE FINALIZING WE WE ESSENTIALLY HAVE 100% DESIGN PLANS FOR THE ROUNDABOUT.

SO WE ARE LOOKING FOR YOUR CONSENSUS ON WHAT DIRECTION.

AND WITH EITHER APPLICATION, WE OUR GOAL IS FOR SAFETY FOR THE COMMUNITY.

SO WITH EITHER DIRECTION, I PROVIDED A COPY OF THE PRESENTATION THAT WAS PRESENTED TO THE MOORINGS LAST YEAR THAT PROVIDED SAFETY IMPACTS AND IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE ROUNDABOUT AS WELL AS THE MAST ARM.

SO THERE. WITH EITHER CASE, WE DO WANT TO. INCORPORATE IMPROVEMENTS WE HAVE.

AND I WILL JUST REAL QUICK ADD THAT. WE DO HAVE BIKE DETECTION THAT WE CAN EVEN ADD TO.

THE MAST ARMS IF WE DECIDE TO GO BACK TO, TO THAT VERSION.

SO WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.

OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER THANK YOU. THAT'S FANTASTIC.

I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. JUST AND WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON THIS FOR OUR NEW MEMBERS.

A LOT OF TIME ON THIS. OKAY. IF I RECALL WE TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE THE PAVERS AND THE GREEN SPACE IN THE MIDDLE RELATIVE TO PAVEMENT AND MAST ARMS, THE PAVERS IN THE GREEN SPACE IN THE MIDDLE, IF I RECALL, YOU CAN ANSWER THIS. ARE THEY ARE THEY MUCH BETTER IN TERMS OF HELPING WITH STORMWATER AND RESILIENCY ON THAT END.

AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WE USED PAVERS BECAUSE THEY WERE PERVIOUS. IS THAT THE CASE? NOT NECESSARILY AS PART OF THE OR YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TRUCK APRON? NO, NO, NO, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT IF YOU COMPARE THE GREEN SPACE AND PAVERS TO.

IF IT WAS JUST ASPHALT. WHICH I THINK THAT THERE'S ACTUALLY A.

AND I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO THE JOHNSON ENGINEERING TEAM ON.

BECAUSE OF THE GEOMETRY OF THE ROUNDABOUT. TYPICALLY THERE SOMETIMES IS A NET REDUCTION IN THE IMPERVIOUS AREAS.

BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE A GREEN SPACE IN THE MIDDLE AND YOU ARE ALSO WITH THIS, THIS LAYOUT.

YOU KNOW, THERE IS A, THERE IS THAT, THAT OPEN AREA THAT YOU SAW THAT IS A, A DRAINAGE A THAT I THINK HE'S TRYING TO SHOW ON HERE, RIGHT HERE.

THAT WITH OUR, OUR STORMWATER STRUCTURE AND ALL TO HELP PROVIDE SOME.

I'M JUST SAYING, IS IT BETTER OR WORSE? YOU'RE CORRECT, ALISON, IT IS A NET REDUCTION.

IN THE ACTUAL AREA OF THE ASPHALT. AS FAR AS THAT CENTRAL ISLAND BETTER OR WORSE FROM A STORMWATER.

IT, IT DEFINITELY HAS MORE GREEN SPACE. I BELIEVE THE COMMUNITY WHEN WE INITIALLY STARTED THAT VOTED FOR A PALM TREE, I KNOW THAT'S A SINGLE PALM TREE. I KNOW THAT'S BEING LOOKED AT, BUT THERE WILL BE MORE GREEN SPACE.

IT DOESN'T REALLY PROVIDE FROM THE BRICK PAVERS, THEY'RE NOT REALLY FOR STORMWATER.

THEY'RE MORE FOR THE OFF TRACKING OF THOSE LARGER VEHICLES.

BUT THERE IS OPPORTUNITY THAT'S, I BELIEVE BETTER IN THE SOUTHWEST QUADRANT BECAUSE WE WERE ABLE TO UTILIZE TAKING OUT THAT, THAT SLIP LANE, THAT NORTHBOUND SLIP LANE, WE'RE ABLE TO TURN THAT INTO A STORMWATER AREA.

EXCELLENT. AND THEN THAT'S WHAT I RECALL. THE OTHER THING, AND I KNOW MR. RIVERA HE'S THAT I RESONATE WITH THIS, LIKES TO BE ABLE TO CONTROL THE LIGHTS, AND I GET IT.

AND BY THE WAY, I HIT FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, I THINK I HIT AT LEAST FIVE, MAYBE SIX LIGHTS BETWEEN MY HOUSE AND HERE.

COMING HERE TODAY. I THOUGHT MAYBE YOU WERE WATCHING ME ON THE CAMERA. MAYBE.

BUT IN THE EVENT, I WILL SAY THAT WE WERE TOLD, AND THIS IS CORRECT, IN THE EVENT OF A POWER OUTAGE THAT DOESN'T AFFECT ROUNDABOUTS. IS THAT CORRECT? THEY JUST KEEP DOING WHAT THEY DO. CORRECT.

CORRECT. YEAH. AND THEN WE ALSO SAID THIS SAND HAULERS, THEY CAN NAVIGATE IT.

THAT'S WE UNDERSTAND THE WIDTH. WE CAN DO THE MATH.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. TRACTOR TRAILERS THAT ARE ALLOWED TO BE ON THOSE ROADS.

WE UNDERSTAND THE MATH AND WE DID THE MATH AND THEY ALSO CAN NAVIGATE IT.

THAT'S A LITTLE TIGHT, BUT YES. YES. AND IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE THE DRIVER TOO.

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AND IF YOU REALLY THINK THAT'S THE CASE AND IT REALLY IS A SAFETY HAZARD, THEN YOU SHOULD BE BEATING THE DRUM THAT WE HAVE TO TEAR UP EVERY ROUNDABOUT WE HAVE IN TOWN BECAUSE THEY'RE UNSAFE AND WE CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS AND SAY, WELL, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS OKAY, WE DON'T REALLY LIKE THEM. BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHO DOESN'T LIKE ROUNDABOUTS? PEOPLE THAT WANT TO HIT THE GAS PEDAL WHEN IT TURNS YELLOW.

THEY DON'T LIKE ROUNDABOUTS. ALL RIGHT. OR RED FOR THAT MATTER.

THAT'S RIGHT. AND SO IF OUR FIRST PRIORITY IS SAFETY FOR OUR CITIZENS, THIS ISN'T THERE SHOULD BE NO CONVERSATION.

IT'S NOT CONVENIENCE. IT'S SAFETY. WE'VE ALREADY HAD A FATALITY.

THAT'S PRETTY EASY FOR ME. ALSO, I JUST WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE PUBLIC OUTREACH PART.

REMEMBER THE MEETINGS YOU GUYS DID OVER THERE? AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHATEVER. THERE WAS NO FEE TO ATTEND THAT WAS THERE? NO. NO, OF COURSE NOT. IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. AND I WENT AND THERE WERE MORE THAN THERE'S 200.

THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE AT THIS THING, AND THERE WERE A HANDFUL THAT WERE OPPOSED TO THE ROUNDABOUTS, AND THEY CAME UP TO ME, AND WHEN I IMMEDIATELY SAID, SAFETY IS MY PRIORITY AND I'M FOR ROUNDABOUTS BECAUSE THEY ARE SIGNIFICANTLY SAFER, THEY QUIT FUSSING TO ME. THEY WENT TO TO MY BUDDY SCOTT, EVIDENTLY.

SO I DON'T WANT TO BEAT THIS HORSE TO DEATH. I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT WE'RE VETTING IT AND WHICH WE HAVE DONE NOW WITH THE SECOND COUNCIL THIRD, I THINK BECAUSE IT WAS ALREADY IT WAS ALREADY DONE BEFORE I CAME ON COUNCIL THE FIRST TIME TO BE A ROUNDABOUT AND THEN IT GETS SWITCHED, THEN IT GETS SWITCHED BACK, WHICH I THINK IS AN INCREDIBLE WASTE OF TIME AND MONEY.

I'M GLAD THAT WE'RE TO THE POINT THAT WE ARE. BUT BY THE WAY, 3800 APPROXIMATELY IS THAT HOW MANY DOORS WE HAVE IN, IN CASE SOMETHING LIKE THAT. ANYBODY KNOW. YEAH.

AND 180 FOLKS THAT ARE. I THINK THAT'S A REALLY.

I'M A FOOTBALL COACH THAT IS SUCH A LOW PERCENTAGE.

IF I ONLY HAD THAT PART OF THE CROWD YELLING AT ME, I'D BE SUPER HAPPY.

SO I SAY, LET'S GET THIS DONE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE.

IT'S A GREAT PLAN AND LET'S MOVE IT FORWARD. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER, FOR THOSE POINTS.

I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM WITH CHIEF PENNINGTON WHO'S HERE.

THANK YOU. THAT THE RADIUS FOR THE FIRE ENGINE TRUCK, THE LATTER IS ABLE TO WE CAN STILL MAKE ADJUSTMENTS, I'M ASSUMING, BUT THANK YOU.

IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. PHIL PENNINGTON, FIRE CHIEF. YES, TYPICALLY THE ROUNDABOUTS AND AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON THE DRIVER THAT DAY AND HOW THEY GET SET UP, IF THERE'S OTHER TRAFFIC IN THE WAY. BUT THOSE THINGS ARE DESIGNED FOR THE TRUCKS TO GET, YOU KNOW, IF WE CATCH A LITTLE BIT OF A CURVE, WE'RE STILL GOING TO GET THERE. GREAT. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO CONFIRM THAT AND IF WE DO NOT HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER.

IT WAS VERY THOROUGH STUDY. I ANSWERED ALL MY QUESTIONS.

BUT ONE QUESTION I HAVE ABOUT FUTURE TRAFFIC VOLUME, BECAUSE PEOPLE USE CREIGHTON AS A CUT THROUGH FROM USING 41.

THE, THE HIGHER DENSITY HOTELS WERE NOW COMING ONLINE.

HOW HOW COULD THIS, COULD THIS BE A PROBLEM WITH, WITH THE SURGE IN TRAFFIC VOLUME? DID YOU WANT ME TO ANSWER THAT ONE? ALLISON. I DON'T SEE IT AT THAT LOCATION.

I MEAN, IT ALL DEPENDS. LIKE I'VE SAID, SOME PEOPLE TREAT IT LIKE A FOUR WAY STOP SIGN.

IF THEY FLOW AROUND IT LIKE IT'S NORMALLY, I DON'T SEE IT CAUSING ANY BACKUP AT ALL.

OUR VOLUMES AREN'T CRATING. THEY TEND TO GO UP ABOUT 2000 OFF SEASON VERSUS ON SEASON.

SO IT'S I DON'T SEE THE IMPACT THERE. AND MY OTHER BIG CONCERN WAS THE DRIVEWAYS THAT ARE COMING OUT TO THAT CIRCLE AREA.

YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE BACKING OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAY, ONE LOOKS PRETTY CLOSE TO THE WALKWAY. I GUESS IN THE MORE MORE IN THE NORTH EAST QUADRANT THERE. HAS EVERYBODY HAD INPUT FROM THE HOMEOWNERS IN THOSE FOUR QUADRANTS? PRETTY MUCH. THERE ARE NO ISSUES IN THAT REGARD.

YES. WE HAVE MET WITH RESIDENTS ON ALL ALL FOUR QUADRANTS.

A SERIES OF MEETINGS WE HAVE DISCUSSED THEIR ACCESS.

THERE ARE, WE DID MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS. MORE SO ON, ON THE SOUTH TO TRY TO BE ABLE TO BETTER PROMOTE DRIVEWAY ACCESS WHERE WE COULD, BUT WE DID FEEL IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR SAFETY PURPOSES TO MAKE SURE THOSE SPLINTER ISLANDS REMAINED.

SO UNFORTUNATELY THERE WERE SOME DRIVEWAYS THAT WERE CLOSER THAT, THAT, THAT DON'T HAVE THE, THE FULL MOVEMENTS THAT THEY DID BEFORE, BUT A LOT OF THOSE DRIVEWAYS ARE LOOP DRIVEWAYS, SO THEY'LL BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE DRIVEWAY.

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OKAY, GREAT. AND I JUST WANT TO ECHO COUNCIL MEMBER PENNIMAN.

THESE ARE MORE ECO FRIENDLY. THEY'RE MORE BEAUTIFUL.

I THINK IT'S AN ASSET. THERE'S THINGS CALLED GREEN ALLEYS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE ALLEYWAYS FINALIZED HOUSES THAT HAVE THIS SIMILAR CONCEPT OF USING PAVERS AND GREEN SPACES AND ALL THAT TO HELP ABSORB WATER.

BUT INSTEAD OF A SOLID CONCRETE MASS, IT'S ONLY COMMON SENSE WILL TELL YOU TO HAVE SOMEWHERE WHERE WATER CAN BE ABSORBED.

IT'S GOING TO BE A PLUS. SO FROM THE BEAUTIFICATION, FROM THE ECO SENSIBILITY OF IT AND FROM THE SAFETY THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED, I REALLY THINK IT'S A COMPELLING, COMPELLING REASON TO PASS THIS.

OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ FOR STAFF. A COUPLE OF THINGS IN RESPONSE TO COUNCILMAN CRAMER'S COMMENT, THEN I SUSPECT WE SHOULD PULL OUT EVERY MAST ARM IN THE CITY AND PUT IN ROUNDABOUTS ON EVERY DRIVE.

SO ELIMINATE ALL MAST ARMS IN THE CITY TO FOLLOW YOUR LOGIC.

I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY FOLKS HERE ON THE COUNCIL LIVE IN A HIGH RISE.

I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF YOU DO. ON SEAGATE DRIVE, FOR EXAMPLE, SEAGATE IS A VERY FUNNY PLACE IN THAT SEAGATE DRIVE ITSELF IS COUNTY PROPERTY, BUT WHEN SEAGATE TURNS LEFT TO WHERE I LIVE IN NAPLES K, IT'S CITY PROPERTY.

WE HAD APPROACHED THE COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS SINCE THAT WAS THEIR THEIR ROAD, AND WE'RE TOLD WE HAVE NOT ONE BUT TWO CHURCHES THERE.

A SCHOOL WHERE THESE TYKES LITTLE GET OUT, THEY PLAY IN THAT ROUNDABOUTS WERE STRICTLY UNSAFE IN THAT LOCATION.

SO THERE ARE TWO WAYS TO SKIN A CAT, BUT YOUR LOGIC OF WE.

ROUNDABOUTS ARE SAFER THAN MAST ARMS, AND WE SHOULD JUST RECONSTRUCT THE ENTIRE CITY TO ELIMINATE EVERY MAST ARM LIGHT.

NOW, I AM NOT AGAINST SAFETY BY ANY STRETCH. NOBODY CAN BE.

BUT ONE SOLUTION IS ANOTHER. AND AS FAR AS THE RESILIENCY MATTER THERE ARE A WHOLE LOT OF OTHER ISSUES THAT US FOLKS THAT LIVE IN HIGH RISES AND IN OTHER PARTS OF THE LOCATION, I WOULD CONTEND. I DON'T BELIEVE ANY OF YOU FOLKS HAVE DRIVEN AT SEAGATE AND CREIGHTON, THAT INTERSECTION THERE IN MANY YEARS, IF AT ALL, BECAUSE YOU DON'T LIVE THERE, YOU DON'T HAVE ANY REASON TO BE THERE.

SO THOSE OF US THAT DO LIVE IN OTHER LOCATIONS IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE CITY, WE HAVE DIFFERENT CONCERNS THAN YOU ALL DO.

BUT WE'RE ALWAYS TOLD BY COUNCIL WE HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU SAY.

AND THAT'S PART OF THE REASON I GOT ELECTED. AND I WILL NOT BE LECTURED ABOUT ANYTHING TO DO WITH RESILIENCY.

THANK YOU. I DON'T I'M NOT. IN FACT, WE CAN DISCUSS THIS IN CORRESPONDENCE.

I'M NOT GOING TO GET INTO THIS KIND OF BACK AND FORTH.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO BACK AND FORTH. JUST CLARIFICATION ON MY POINT ON SAFETY. YES, SIR. IS THAT I'M NOT I'M NOT.

MY THING IS, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT PEOPLE CAN'T NAVIGATE.

MAST ARMS. THE ONLY CONTENTION ON THE SAFETY OF ROUNDABOUTS WOULD BE THAT PEOPLE CAN'T NAVIGATE THEM.

CAN'T LEARN TO DO THIS. THAT'S ALL. I THINK WE CAN LEARN TO DO BOTH.

FOR THE RECORD, THANK YOU. AND TO THIS POINT, AS MR. RIVERA WOULD SAY, NOT ALL INTERSECTIONS ARE TREATED EQUALLY.

IT APPEARS THAT WE HAVE A COMPROMISE FROM RESIDENTS AND EXPANDING SO THAT WE HAVE A GOOD CIRCUMFERENCE AND RADIUS AND SAFETY MEASURES. THANK YOU, STAFF, FOR THAT. MADAM CLERK, DO WE HAVE FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? I JUST RECEIVED ABOUT SIX PUBLIC COMMENTS. OKAY.

THANK YOU. SEVEN. SEVEN. SEVEN. SEVEN. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. I HAVE HARRISON LANGLEY.

FOLLOWED BY SEAN CONNORS.

HARRISON LANGLEY, SEAN CONNORS, FOLLOWED BY ANTHONY RENDA.

GOOD MORNING. COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

MY NAME IS SEAN CONNORS. I LIVE ON LEEWARD LANE.

I'M A MEMBER OF A BOARD MEMBER OF MPO. OUR PRESIDENT, CLIFF HOLLAND, COULDN'T BE HERE TODAY, SO I'LL BE SAYING A FEW WORDS IN HIS ABSENCE.

I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE MEMBERSHIP ISSUE. WE DO HAVE A FEE FOR PEOPLE IN THE MPO THAT WANT TO ENJOY THE PRIVATE BEACH PARK,

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AND AS MR. KRAMER SAID, WE HAVE HIGH ENGAGEMENT THREE, 400 PEOPLE.

I'D ALSO LIKE TO CLEAR UP SOME CONFUSION ABOUT THE FACT THAT SOMEHOW NAPLES LIVES IN A DIFFERENT DIMENSION THAN THE REST OF THE UNITED STATES.

THERE'S 11,000 ROUNDABOUTS IN THE UNITED STATES.

THERE'S 1500 OF THEM IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA IS ADDING THEM FASTER THAN ANY OTHER STATE IN THE UNION.

THAT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE OF POPULATION INCREASE AND IT'S BECAUSE OF SAFETY.

I'D LIKE TO SAY A COUPLE WORDS ABOUT THE GSAC SURVEY, WHICH YOU MENTIONED.

THE GSAC SURVEY WAS PULLED TOGETHER RECENTLY AND WAS NOT COMMUNICATED WITH ANY NATIONAL HEALTH STATISTICS OR SAFETY STATISTICS INVOLVED OR TRAFFIC STATISTICS. IT SEEMS THAT IT'S CAME FROM A PAPER THAT MEMBERS OF GSAC DID CALLED THE THEY DID A PAPER ON ROUNDABOUTS AND TO THEIR CREDIT, THEY SHARED IT WITH MPO.

WE RESPONDED TO THAT. IT'S IN THE EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE ON THE AGENDA.

ABOUT HALFWAY DOWN. BUT ONE OF THE ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THEIR SURVEY, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH THE WAY THEY'RE LOOKING AT ROUNDABOUTS IS THAT THEY THEY'RE DEPENDING ON A 26 YEAR OLD STUDY. AND SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT CAME UP TODAY WERE RELATED TO THE SPACING AND ROUNDABOUT AND THE TRAFFIC FLOW. AND IT'S BECAUSE OF THOSE KIND OF STUDIES.

THERE'S CONSTRUCTION TIME AT TEN MONTHS ON THIS.

I KNOW CONSTRUCTION TAKES LONGER FOR ANYTHING THAN PEOPLE LIKE.

BUT THEY'RE ABOUT TO PUT UP ANOTHER BIG CONDOMINIUM ON VENETIAN BAY.

SO HOW LONG WILL THAT CONSTRUCTION TAKE? WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THE THOUSANDS OF TRUCKS AND WORKERS THAT COME THROUGH OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD ON A DAILY BASIS GO SLOW AND ARE AWARE. I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT SAY THEY'RE UNCOMFORTABLE WITH ROUNDABOUTS HAVE OUR EMPATHY AND UNDERSTANDING BECAUSE THEY ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT SOMETIMES.

AND AS MUCH AS WE'D LIKE 100% CONSENSUS, WE END UP WITH ABOUT 75% CONSENSUS ON THIS ROUNDABOUT.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THOSE PEOPLE, OFFER TRAINING WITH OUR BICYCLE COMMUNITY, OUR SITE CHALLENGE MOBILITY CHALLENGE COMMUNITIES, WHICH HAVE ALSO WEIGHED IN POSITIVE ON THIS ROUNDABOUT.

IN SUMMARY, I JUST SAY I LOOK AT A ROUNDABOUT MORE AS A COMMUNITY ICE SKATING RINK WHERE YOU KIND OF BLEND INTO IT AND YOU INTUITIVELY KNOW HOW TO GET AROUND SAFELY. AND A TRAFFIC LIGHT IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS SEEMS TO OPERATE MORE LIKE A HOCKEY GAME.

THANK YOU. SO YOU HAVE PENALTIES AND CRASHES AND FIGHTS AND YOU HAVE TO SIT OUT SOMETIMES, AND THEN THEY HAVE TO COME AND CLEAN THE ICE UP AFTER THE CRASH OCCURS.

THANK YOU. I'D LIKE ALL OF YOU TO PLEASE. AT LEAST IF WE'RE GOING TO IMPROVE SAFETY, AT LEAST HAVE TWO CHOICES.

A, WE CAN MAKE MANUAL TRANSMISSION MANDATORY IN THE CITY OF NAPLES.

SO EVERYBODY HAS TO BE MORE AWARE OF WHAT THEY'RE DOING WHILE THEY'RE DRIVING.

AND YOU CAN'T BE DISTRACTED WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING A MANUAL TRANSMISSION CAR.

THANK YOU. BUT AN EASIER ONE WOULD BE TO APPROVE THE ROUNDABOUT AT CREIGHTON AND HARBOR.

THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ANTHONY RENDON, FOLLOWED BY JIM JOHNSON OR BEN JOHNSON.

GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, MADAM MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS AND NEIGHBORS.

MY NAME IS ANTHONY RENDA. I'M A BOARD MEMBER OF THE NAPLES VELO, WHICH IS NAPLES LARGEST CYCLING ORGANIZATION.

I'M SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF OUR ALMOST 500 MEMBERS, WHO CUMULATIVELY SPENT THOUSANDS OF HOURS EACH MONTH ON NAPLES ROADS, INCLUDING THE INTERSECTION WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.

THESE ARE CYCLISTS. FAST AND SLOW, YOUNG AND OLD.

I WANT TO ECHO THE SENTIMENTS OF THE EARLIER SPEAKERS REGARDING ROUNDABOUTS.

FROM A CYCLING CYCLIST'S PERSPECTIVE, ROUNDABOUTS ARE GREAT.

THEY ENHANCE SAFETY, THEY REDUCE VEHICLE SPEEDS AND ELIMINATE HIGH ENERGY RIGHT ANGLE COLLISIONS.

JUST AS IMPORTANT, ROUNDABOUTS GIVE CYCLISTS A GREATER SENSE OF CONTROL AT A SIGNALED INTERSECTION.

CYCLISTS MUST TRUST THAT CROSS TRAFFIC WILL STOP AT A RED LIGHT AT A ROUNDABOUT.

HOWEVER, CYCLISTS HAVE MORE CONTROL AND THEY CAN GO WHEN TRAFFIC ISN'T THERE AND TRAFFIC IS CLEAR.

BUT WE RECOGNIZE INFRASTRUCTURE ALONE DOESN'T CREATE SAFETY.

EDUCATION AND ACCOUNTABILITY MATTER AS WELL. NAPLES VELO ALREADY HAS A DEDICATED SAFETY COMMITTEE RESPONSIBLE FOR ONGOING RIDER

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WE HAVE A CLEAR AND DIRECT COMMUNICATION PATH WITH ALL OF OUR MEMBERS, AND WILL SHARE THE FOLLOWING STRAIGHTFORWARD DIRECTIONS.

SLOWING WHEN APPROACHING AN INTERSECTION, ENSURING VISIBILITY, POSITIONING INCORRECTLY AND PROCEEDING ONLY WHEN EVERYONE IN THE GROUP CAN GET THROUGH SAFELY, NOT JUST THE FIRST FEW RIDERS. SO WE'LL REINFORCE THESE EXPECTATIONS CONSISTENTLY ACROSS OUR RIDES, OUR TRAINING, AND OUR COMMUNICATIONS, AND WILL PROVIDE DIRECT FEEDBACK WHEN RIDERS DO DO NOT MEET THESE STANDARDS.

SO ON BEHALF OF ALL OF OUR MEMBERS, WE ARE ON BOARD.

ROUNDABOUTS REDUCE MISTAKES AND WHEN THOSE RARE MISTAKES DO HAPPEN, THE CONSEQUENCES ARE FAR LESS DRAMATIC AND PERMANENT.

INSTEAD OF TRAGEDY, WE HAVE SURVIVABLE EVENTS.

SO NAPLES VELO STANDS READY TO BE A RESPONSIBLE PARTNER IN MAKING ROUNDABOUTS WORK AS INTENDED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JIM JOHNSON, FOLLOWED BY MARK YEAGER.

GOOD MORNING. HI. JIM JOHNSON, 2900 CREIGHTON ROAD.

I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK AS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE CORNER.

I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF THE ROUNDABOUT. I DON'T WANT TO COME OUT AND SAY IT'S NOT SOMETHING I DON'T WANT. AND I DO APPRECIATE THE MEETING THAT WE HAD.

I WAS ONLY INFORMED ABOUT THAT MEETING A DAY OR TWO BEFORE BECAUSE MY NEIGHBOR TOLD ME ABOUT IT AND I DID SIT ON IT.

I TOLD WE WERE GOING TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE LAYOUTS AND THE THINGS WE DID MEET OUT IN FRONT OF MY PROPERTY, AND THAT WAS THE LAST TIME WE REALLY TALKED ABOUT IT.

SOME CONCERNS WERE THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT A SIX FOOT RUNOFF FOR THE BICYCLES WHEN WE WERE THERE.

THAT'S GOING TO BE SHARED WITH PEOPLE WALKING ON THE SIDEWALK. I SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE.

A LOT OF PEOPLE WALK UP AND DOWN THE STREET. I FEEL LIKE BICYCLES AND PEOPLE NAVIGATING THE SAME FOUR FOOT, SIX FOOT, EIGHT FOOT. IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A SMALL CONCERN FOR PEOPLE GETTING HURT THERE.

JUST REALLY WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT IT PROBABLY, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW EVERYBODY MADE A STRONG EFFORT TO TRY AND INVOLVE THE PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE, I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT MORE THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO TALK ABOUT HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK, HOW THE CROSSWALKS ARE GOING TO WORK, AND PROBABLY INVOLVE US A LITTLE BIT MORE IN THAT CONVERSATION.

OBVIOUSLY, WE DON'T GET TO MAKE THAT FINAL DECISION, BUT MORE INPUT WOULD PROBABLY BE A GOOD THING.

AND THAT'S JUST IN MY OPINION, I'M NOT AGAINST THE ROUNDABOUT.

I THINK IT'S PROBABLY NOT A BAD IDEA FOR THAT INTERSECTION, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW WE SPENT SOME MONEY AS A AS A TOWN ON THE OTHER IDEA WITH THE LIGHTS ALREADY. BUT THAT'S BASICALLY IT. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE INVOLVED MORE IN THE CONVERSATION.

I WAS TOLD WE WERE GOING TO HAVE MORE MEETINGS ABOUT IT.

I'VE NEVER HAVE NO OTHER NOTICE ABOUT IT SINCE THEN.

I HAVE REACHED OUT TO THE ENGINEERING FIRM ONCE BY EMAIL.

IT'S ONLY BEEN ONCE. I WILL SAY THAT, BUT I HAVE NOT HEARD BACK ABOUT IT AND WE DID TALK ABOUT IT IN FRONT.

WE SPENT SOME TIME. MATTER OF FACT, I WAS THE ONE IN YOUR LITTLE IMAGE.

WE TALKED ABOUT GOING THROUGH THERE AND JUST HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING ELSE AGAIN. SO I THINK IT'S PROBABLY NOT A BAD IDEA, BUT I ALSO THINK THERE'S PROBABLY SOME MORE CONVERSATION TO BE HAD.

AND JUST AS A CONTRACTOR MYSELF, TOUCH ON THE TEN MONTHS, I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE TEN MONTHS AND I DOUBT YOU'LL GET IT APPROVED BY JUNE, JUST THE WAY THINGS WORK. AND IF THAT HAPPENS, I WOULD PROBABLY SUGGEST STARTING IT AT THE END OF NEXT SEASON INSTEAD OF TRYING TO FORCE IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SEASON, AND IT CARRIES ALL THE WAY THROUGH AGAIN.

BUT THAT'S JUST A SMALL LITTLE OPINION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. MARK UNGER. MADAM MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL.

MY NAME IS MARK, AND I LIVE AT 2875 GULF SHORE BOULEVARD.

AND I ALSO HAPPEN TO BE A MEMBER OF THE BOARD OF GSAC.

JUST WANT TO MAKE A FEW QUICK COMMENTS. THE SURVEY THAT OR THAT INTERSECTION, WHICH I'M ON PROBABLY 15 OR 20 TIMES A WEEK IS A MAJOR ACCESS POINT FOR GULF SHORE BOULEVARD.

THERE'S ONLY TWO WAYS IN AND OUT. PARK SHORE AND HARBOR DRIVE.

AND SO THAT WHAT WE DECIDE HAS AS MUCH, IF NOT MORE, IMPACT ON GULFSHORE BOULEVARD AS IT DOES ON THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON CRAYTON ROAD.

AND WITH RESPECT TO THE SURVEY THOSE COMMENTS WERE, WERE FROM 185 PEOPLE.

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WHAT I'M HERE NOW, JUST TO EMPHASIZE TWO POINTS, SPEED IN THE ROUNDABOUT IS REALLY, I THINK, THE MOST CRITICAL ISSUE. AND WITH ALL RESPECT TO THE BICYCLE REPRESENTATIVE, I HAVE NEVER I RARELY SEE ANY GROUP OF BICYCLISTS, WHETHER IT'S 2 OR 22, HAVING ANY REGARD FOR THE INTERSECTION OF OF GULF SHORE BOULEVARD AND HARBOR WITH WITH VERY FEW EXCEPTIONS. AND I'M NOT CONVINCED THAT A ROUNDABOUT IS GOING TO MAKE THEM ANY DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEY GO AS A GROUP, ESPECIALLY WHAT I CALL THE BIKE HERDS. WITH ALL RESPECT, THEY WILL ALL GO IN THERE AND AND YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO TAKE TURNS YIELDING.

AND I DON'T SEE THAT HAPPENING UNDER THE SPIRIT OF SAFETY.

I DO WANT TO ADDRESS. I HEARD THIS MORNING FOR THE FIRST TIME THE TEN MONTH CONSTRUCTION PERIOD.

VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. AND I'VE RAISED THAT QUESTION BEFORE.

AND IT'S REALLY FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF ACCESS BY EMERGENCY VEHICLES, AMBULANCES AND FIRE TRUCKS TIME IS LIFE.

AND SO HOW ARE THOSE VEHICLES GOING TO QUICKLY AND SAFELY ACCESS THAT PORTION OF GULF SHORE BOULEVARD DURING THE CONSTRUCTION PERIOD? WHEN WE MET WITH ALLISON AND HAVE TALKED PREVIOUSLY WITH OUR COLLEAGUES FROM NPO.

WE WERE UNDER THE BELIEF THAT THIS WAS A FOUR MONTH CONSTRUCTION PERIOD.

HEARING TEN MONTHS TODAY IS SHOCKING AND REALLY QUITE FRIGHTENING BECAUSE NOT ONLY WILL IT CONSUME THE OFF SEASON, WE'LL CALL IT, IT WILL CONSUME ALL OF NEXT SEASON.

SO I WANT TO MAYBE ADD TO THE COMMENT THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE TIMING, BECAUSE TEN MONTHS IS A LONG TIME, AND I DON'T THINK THE PEOPLE ON PUTTER LANE AND LEEWARD LANE WANT ALL THE TRAFFIC FROM GULF SHORE BOULEVARD FOR TEN MONTHS, USING THEIR STREETS AS OUR ACCESS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. BOB PINK AND BROCK. AND IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, SIR. YES, MY NAME IS BOB BROCK, AND I LIVE ON THE CORNER OF 28 O.

THE CORNER OF CREIGHTON AND HARPER. 2899 CREIGHTON.

THAT HOUSE HAS BEEN IN OUR FAMILY FOR OVER 25 YEARS.

WE BOUGHT IT FROM MY WIFE, SUSAN'S UNCLE ABOUT 17 YEARS AGO.

SO I'M USED TO SOME HORN HONKING. I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I WAS NOT FOR THE ROUNDABOUT A LONG TIME AGO.

I'VE HAD A CHANCE TO GET A FEEL FOR MY CORNER OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS OF BEING THERE.

ALLISON AND HER GROUP ARE AMAZING. I THINK ALLISON SHOULD RUN FOR OFFICE.

THE WAY SHE HANDLES HERSELF AND THE ENGINEERS.

THEY'VE ANSWERED ALL MY QUESTIONS. THEY'VE ANSWERED MY CONCERNS.

YOU KNOW ELLEN, OUR NEIGHBOR WHO DIED TRAGICALLY ON OUR CORNER.

IT'S HARD TO SCRUB THAT FROM YOUR HEAD. I'M NOT SURE IF ROUNDABOUTS.

WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ACCIDENTS THERE. I ASSUME I'LL HEAR MORE HORN HONKING A FEW BIRDS BEING GIVEN.

BUT NO, I DON'T THINK ANYONE NO ONE CAN RUN A ROUNDABOUT, SO IT IS SAFER.

SO AFTER AND THERE WERE SEVERAL MEETINGS, SCOTT, THAT WERE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

AND THEY WERE ALL VERY THOUGHTFUL CONVERSATIONS.

AND IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS OF ME OF BEING A HOMEOWNER IN THE MORNINGS AND LIVING ON THAT CORNER.

YOU KNOW, I'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS, BUT I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF IT.

THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. YES.

NATHAN GORDON, FOLLOWED BY JIM JOHNSON.

HI. NATHAN GORDON, 2121 CREIGHTON ROAD. THANKS FOR LETTING ME HAVE A CHANCE TO SPEAK AGAIN.

I'M GOING TO TRY TO BE AS BRIEF AS POSSIBLE. I JUST WANTED TO DISCUSS A COUPLE OF THINGS IN RESPONSE TO COUNCILMAN SCHULTZ.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND YOUR CONCERNS.

IT IS YOUR DUTY AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE PEOPLE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ADDRESS THOSE CONCERNS.

IT'S ALSO MY DUTY AS A, AS A CITIZEN, A FATHER AND A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY TO ALSO TRY TO PUT INTO THE RECORD A FEW EMPIRICAL POINTS THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL. FIRST HALF OF ALL FATAL CRASHES INVOLVING DRIVERS OVER 80 HAPPEN AT INTERSECTIONS.

THAT'S THREE TIMES THE RATE. IS EVERYONE ELSE.

ROUNDABOUTS PHYSICALLY ELIMINATE THE TYPES OF CRASHES THAT MOST KILL SENIORS, WHICH ARE RIGHT HAND TURNS, LEFT HAND TURNS ACROSS AND ENTERING BUSY THOROUGHFARES FROM SIDE STREETS.

AS WE'VE MENTIONED, FATAL FATALITIES GO DOWN BY 90% AT ROUNDABOUTS.

THAT WOULD INCLUDE PEOPLE WHO, AS YOU MENTIONED, MIGHT BE SEASONED DRIVERS.

AND THAT IS TAKEN WELL BY SOMEONE IN THE COMMUNITY, SUCH AS MYSELF WHO WANTS TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL DRIVERS AND ALL PEDESTRIANS

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THERE WAS A STUDY, AN OBSERVATIONAL STUDY AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MAINE PUT PUT TOGETHER WITH HIDDEN CAMERAS, WATCHING ROUNDABOUTS, LOOKING AT DIFFERING AGES OF HOW PEOPLE NAVIGATE THEM.

THE AVERAGE AGE. SO THE AVERAGE FOR BEING ABLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET INTO THE ROUNDABOUT THAT WAS ABOUT 3.25 SECONDS. FOR DRIVERS OVER 70, IT WAS 3.9 SECONDS.

SO A VERY MINIMAL INCREASE. I AM VERY SENSITIVE TO YOUR POINT ABOUT THE, THE TRAFFIC JAM YOU RAN INTO THE OTHER DAY TRYING TO GET TO A DENTIST OFFICE.

AND I'M VERY SENSITIVE TO THE POINT ABOUT HAVING MS VEHICLES BEING ABLE TO GET THROUGH I WOULD SAY PERSONALLY, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANYBODY ELSE WILL GO FOR THIS, BUT SINCE I LIVE ON THE CORNER OF MOORING LINE AND CREIGHTON, THE SOUTHWEST CORNER, IF AN EMS VEHICLE NEEDS TO GET TO SOMEONE THERE AND THERE'S A CLOG AT THAT, THEY CAN DRIVE THROUGH MY YARD. AND THEN LASTLY ON SOME EMPIRICAL ITEMS, MR. CONNERS MADE SOME VERY GREAT POINTS. I'D LIKE TO REITERATE BASICALLY ALL OF THEM, BUT I'D LIKE TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE CONCRETE.

THE VILLAGES, WHICH IS AN 80,000 COMMUNITY, 80,000 RESIDENT COMMUNITY WITH MEDIAN AGE AROUND 72.

THEY HAVE PUT IN PLACE 30 PLUS ROUNDABOUTS. AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY ARE INCREASING THE VELOCITY AT WHICH THEY'RE ADDING THEM.

THIS IS BECAUSE IT IS SAFER FOR PEDESTRIANS, DRIVERS AND GOLF CART RIDERS AS WELL AS CYCLISTS.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE MAJOR RETIREMENT AREAS ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THAT INCLUDES SARASOTA, THAT INCLUDES ALL OF NORTH CAROLINA THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT PUSH TOWARDS ROUNDABOUTS.

EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE SUPPORTS THE ROUNDABOUTS IN ALL WAYS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERNS.

AND THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME VOICE MY THOUGHTS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JIM JOHNSON. OKAY, I THOUGHT SO ALSO.

MAYOR. WE RECEIVED ONE LAST ONE, TOO. THAT CONCLUDES OUR YEAH.

I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT MATT SMITH REGISTERED TO SPEAK AGAIN.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. I DIDN'T GET TO SAY THANK YOU BEFORE BECAUSE AND YOU ARE.

MATT SMITH, 596 SIXTH AVENUE, NORTH NAPLES RESIDENT.

SPEAKING AS A RESIDENT. DIDN'T GET TO SAY THANK YOU BEFORE.

I THOUGHT I ONLY HAD TWO MINUTES, SO I REALLY SHORTENED MY SPEECH.

REALLY WANT TO THANK THE MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, THE NEW MEMBERS THROUGH ONE OF THE ADVISORY BOARDS.

I'VE BEEN STANDING UP HERE A FEW TIMES OVER THE PAST SIX YEARS AND HOPEFULLY GOTTEN A LITTLE BIT BETTER AT IT.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THREE THINGS SAFETY, SAFETY AND SAFETY.

AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE PROCESS.

I LOVED WHAT COACH KRAMER SAID. LITTLE CONSISTENCY.

LET THE EXPERTS DO THEIR JOB. LET THE CITY EMPLOYEES DO THEIR JOB.

NOT A BAD IDEA. AND MAYBE IF WE'RE FOCUSED ON AS A CITY, WHICH IS WONDERFUL, LISTENING TO THE RESIDENTS, WE SHOULD MAYBE NARROW IT DOWN TO WHICH RESIDENTS COUNCIL HAS HEARD OVERWHELMINGLY FROM THE RESIDENTS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAD A NEIGHBOR KILLED.

I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO WHAT I STARTED WITH, WHICH IS I THINK THIS IS A GREAT IDEA FOR THE COMMUNITY AND THE RESIDENTS.

AND I WOULD APPRECIATE YOU APPROVING THIS ROUNDABOUT DESIGN.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT.

AND WITH THAT, IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION AMONG COUNCIL THEN WE'LL LET ANY STAFF. DO YOU HAVE CLOSING COMMENTS? I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS TO FOLLOW UP FROM THE.

I KNOW YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON TIME, BUT I'LL GO AHEAD AND I'LL WRAP UP.

I JUST WANTED TO JUST KIND OF FORESHADOW A FEW THINGS BEFORE YOU MADE YOUR DECISION AND ELABORATE ON THE NEXT STEPS PART A LITTLE BIT, SO YOU UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU FOR GIVING YOUR CONSENSUS.

I JUST WOULD SAY THAT DIRECTION TO STAFF TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS ABOUT FURTHER CONVERSATION WITH THE

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AS ALWAYS, COUNCIL WOULD WELCOMES THAT INPUT IF IT HASN'T BEEN PUT IN.

YOU ARE ALSO SEEKING THE CONSENSUS TO PROCEED WITH THE FINAL DESIGN AND TO UPGRADE THE INTERSECTIONS.

RESILIENCY. COUNCIL. DO I HAVE A CONSENSUS FOR THAT? YES YES YES YES YES YES. WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DO THAT AGAIN.

I JUST WANT TO HAVE A TRUE CONSENSUS GIVEN WHERE WE'VE BEEN BACK AND FORTH ON THIS.

SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE. I ASKED THE DEPARTMENT IS REQUESTING CONSENSUS TO PROCEED WITH THE FINALIZING AND THE DESIGN TO UPGRADE THE INTERSECTION FOR RESILIENCY.

AND THEN THERE WILL BE A COMPLETE DESIGN BEFORE THE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT.

SO CAN I GET MY SUMMARY STATEMENTS FIRST? BECAUSE THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT YOU SHOULD.

I THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR MOTIONS, I JUST WANT TO SAY A COUPLE THINGS.

SO FIRST OF ALL, AS THE MAYOR INDICATED, AND THIS SLIDE INDICATES, FINAL DESIGN AND UTILITY COORDINATION WOULD INCLUDE THE RESILIENCY ASPECT.

IF WE'RE GOING TO MOVE THIS ALONG, THE INTENT WOULD NOT BE TO BRING IT BACK AT THAT POINT, BUT TO PROCEED WITH RFP. SO I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT ABOUT THAT REQUEST IS WE BELIEVE THE BACK AND FORTH ON THIS IS, IS REALLY TO THE POINT OF, YES, WE HAVE SOME THINGS TO WORK OUT WITH, WITH THE GIVEN SOME OF THE COMMENTS, AS YOU SAID, MAYOR AND FINAL DESIGN AND LANDSCAPING, BUT COORDINATING THE UTILITY WORK AND NOT COMING BACK IS KIND OF WHAT I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT AS A CONSENSUS. NOW, IF IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND AND TO COME BACK WITH THAT, THAT THAT'S FINE.

BUT I THINK IT, IT, IT DELAYS IT ANOTHER COUPLE OF MONTHS.

AND I JUST, I REALLY THINK THAT WE'VE BEEN BACK AND FORTH ON THIS ENOUGH NOW FROM THE STANDPOINT OF AFTER THAT WE WOULD GO OUT TO BID AND YOU WOULD STILL HAVE IT BACK TO YOU BEFORE AWARDING OF THE BID, AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE THE SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION FOR THE FUNDING OF IT.

AND SO I WANTED TO SAY THAT. AND SO YOU'RE ALSO AWARE OF THE FUNDING.

AND THE POINT OF THE FUNDING WAS, IS THIS WAS AN FDOT PROJECT THAT ONCE WE CHANGED THE MARSDEN, WE HAD FDOT AGAIN WHEN I TOOK OVER. NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED.

IT WAS STILL OUT IN 28, 29. WE MOVED IT UP KNOWING THIS INTERSECTION WAS IMPORTANT.

SO. BUT WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO TO FUND THIS WILL BE MONEY APPROPRIATIONS FROM THE $0.01 SALES TAX.

SO THAT ENABLES YOU TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THE FUNDING IS COMING FROM.

AND SO THE NEXT ACT, IF YOU TELL US TO PROCEED TODAY WITH FINAL DESIGN, YOU WILL BE TELLING US TO INCORPORATE THE RESILIENCY ASPECT IN THE UTILITY COORDINATION, PUT IT OUT TO BID AND BRING A CONTRACT BACK TO YOU AND THE APPROPRIATIONS TO GET THE PROJECT STARTED.

THAT IS WHAT I'M ASKING FOR. REALLY. AND AGAIN, IF IT'S A IF IT'S BY VOICE VOTE OR HOWEVER, I JUST NEED TO KNOW I'M WALKING AWAY WITH THE APPROPRIATE CONSENSUS.

YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT. YES. BARTON. YES. KRAMER.

YES. YES. YES. MAYOR. CAN WE DO A MOTION, PLEASE? YEAH, IT'S IT'S ON HERE. IT'S IT'S A REGULAR MEETING, I THINK.

EMOTIONS APPROPRIATE. IT'LL BE INCLUDED IN THE MOTION THEN.

OKAY. BECAUSE SCHULTZ. WHAT? WE'RE GETTING A CONSENSUS TO MR. YOUNG'S LAYOUT OF THE UTILITIES, THE FUNDING AND THE RESILIENCY PIECE AND NOT COMING BACK TO COUNCIL UNTIL.

YES. WITH THE COMMENT, I WOULD JUST ASK EVERYBODY TO ASSUME WHAT DOES THE TERM RESILIENCY MEAN TO ALL YOU FOLKS? YEAH. WELL ANYWAY, BUT YES.

THANK YOU. MR. YOUNG OTHER ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT AND THAT JUST TO REACH OUT WITH THE QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD WITH THE BIKES AND THE THE WIDTH AND, CLARIFYING THAT WITH THAT NEIGHBOR.

THANK YOU. YES, I HAVE NOTHING ELSE, MR. YOUNG OR STAFF, AND WE'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE THAT MOTION, IF YOU'LL INCLUDE THAT. I JUST WANT TO SAY, YES, WE WILL MEET WITH THAT NEIGHBOR.

I JUST WANTED TO OPINE ON THE CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE AND JUST FOR CLARITY, BECAUSE THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT THAT AS WELL.

YES. I THINK THE TEN MONTH DURATION IS A, IS A VERY LONG TIME FRAME AND OUR INTEREST IS WE CAN'T AT THIS POINT, WE CAN'T TELL YOU A TIME, TIME FRAME, BUT WHEN WE HAVE A CONTRACTOR ON BOARD, WE CAN TRY TO IDENTIFY THAT THERE'S SOME PROS AND CONS WHENEVER YOU'RE DEALING WITH THESE CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO HANDLE IT.

IF WE DO A FULL CLOSURE, THAT MAY BE THAT THEY CAN GET IN THERE AND THEY CAN COMPLETE THE WORK QUICKER.

THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T KEEP A LANE OPEN OR WE CAN'T ALLOW SOME OF THAT, THAT TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH DURING THAT TIME FRAME.

SO WHILE IT COULD BE MINIMIZED LIKE WE DID ON SAY.

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AND DAVE, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I THINK WE HAD IT AROUND THREE MONTHS FOR CONSTRUCTION, BUT IT WAS A FULL CLOSURE.

IF WE DO A PARTIAL CLOSURE THAT MAY EXTEND THAT TIME FRAME OUT, BUT THERE WOULD BE SOME ACCESS AVAILABILITY.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING AND SOME OF THOSE DETAILS THAT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO IRON OUT AS WE MOVE FORWARD AND WE GET INTO THAT CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT AND WORKING WITH THE THE FINAL BIDDER. OKAY, PERFECT. AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNICATIONS ARE GIVEN FROM STAFF THAT SO COUNCIL IS AWARE OF THE TRAFFIC CHANGES THAT WILL HAPPEN. AND THAT WE WILL COMMUNICATE THAT NOT JUST TO THE GULF SHORE I MEAN, TO THE MOORINGS, BUT ALSO TO THE GSAC. AND ANY WAY THAT WE HAVE IN COMMUNICATING, WHICH IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE TRAFFIC AND THE CHANGES IN THAT. SO WITH THAT, I'D LIKE TO OFFER AN AMENDMENT, SINCE WE'RE DOING THIS TO CONSIDER EVERY MAST ARM IN THE CITY BE CONVERTED INTO A ROUNDABOUT FOR SAFETY REASONS.

OKAY. THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE A PART OF THIS AGENDA ITEM AND WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AT ANOTHER TIME OR WORKSHOP, BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT. WE'LL COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER.

MR. MCCONNELL, I'M GOING TO GIVE THIS AN EFFORT SO YOU LET ME KNOW IF I GET IT RIGHT.

I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION TO MOVE THIS FORWARD.

I'D LIKE TO I MOVE THAT WE MOVE THIS PROJECT FORWARD AS PRESENTED, WHICH AND THIS INCLUDES WE WILL NOT IT INCLUDES THE FINAL DESIGN AND UTILITY COORDINATION THE RFP FOR THE CONTRACTOR AND THE ACTUAL, WE WILL NOT SEE IT AGAIN UNTIL THE ACTUAL CONTRACT COMES BACK TO US.

READY FOR APPROVAL. CAN I ASK ONE JUST CAN YOU ADD FINAL DESIGN AND UTILITY COORDINATION FOR A ROUNDABOUT? ARE FINAL DESIGN AND UTILITY COORDINATION FOR A ROUNDABOUT AT THIS LOCATION.

AND THEN THE RFP, AND THEN WE WON'T SEE IT AGAIN UNTIL WE'RE READY FOR THE FINAL CONTRACT TO BE APPROVED.

SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON.

MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL. VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP, COUNCIL MEMBER.

BARTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER.

CROWELL. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. YES. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ.

YES. MAYOR HARTMAN. YES. THANK YOU. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU, STAFF. THANK YOU. JOHNSON ENGINEERING.

AND WITH THAT COUNCIL, WE DO HAVE A TIME CERTAIN OF AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

IT'S 1106. IF WE COULD JUST TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK SO THAT WE CAN GO TO OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE UPDATE ON THE PIER.

WITH THAT, WE'LL HAVE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.

[13.B) Presentation to Mayor and Council of New Design for the Naples Pier for the Landside Area Based on Council Recommendations From the June 16, 2025, Workshop.]

WE ORIGINALLY HAD THE DESIGN, WHICH INCLUDED CONCESSION.

AND THEN THERE WAS A CHANGE. THEN WE CAME BACK TO YOU ABOUT THE BATHROOM, ADDING A BATHROOM FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE BEACH PATROL AND OFFICERS ARE THERE.

AND THEN WE ALSO CAME WITH A SMALL CONFIGURATION RELATED TO ACTUALLY CREATING VERY SMALL SPACE FOR AN OFFICER OR A BEACH PATROL TO BE LOCATED THERE.

SO THIS IS WHAT IS HOPED TO BE THE LAST REITERATION OF WHAT IT WILL LOOK LIKE BEFORE WE FINALIZE EVERYTHING.

AND THEN AND WITH US TODAY IS MAUREEN MINKER.

SHE'S BEEN THE, THE LEAD FROM MHK ON THE DESIGN.

SHE'LL GO THROUGH THAT ASPECT OF IT. AND THEN AFTER WE'RE DONE WITH THIS DISCUSSION AND RECEIVING YOUR CONSENSUS DIRECTION TO CONTINUE DOWN THIS PATH, THEN WE WOULD I'LL GIVE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE ON WHERE WE STAND ON THE PIER AS OF TODAY.

SO WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO MAUREEN.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME TODAY.

AND I'M ON THE NAPLES PIER RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT, AND WE WANTED TO PRESENT THE LANDSLIDE CHANGES TO THE PROJECT TO YOU TODAY. LAST WE LEFT THE DISCUSSION THE DIRECTION WAS TO REDUCE THE LANDSIDE STRUCTURES AND ALSO TO REMOVE THE CONCESSIONS AND OUTDOOR DINING PORTIONS OF THE PROJECT.

WE MADE THE REVISIONS AND WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT THE REVISED PLAN AND ALSO OUR 3D IMAGES WHICH SHOW A BEFORE AND AFTER FROM THE PREVIOUS TO THE NEW DESIGN. YOU CAN SEE THE FLOOR PLAN UP, I BELIEVE RIGHT NOW, AND WE HAVE SOME SMALLER ADDITIONS TO BOTH THE NORTH MEN'S

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AND THE SOUTH ADDITION TO THE WOMEN'S RESTROOM IS A SMALL SHADE STRUCTURE RIGHT HERE, WHICH FEATURES A FEW BENCHES AND AN AREA FOR EDUCATIONAL BOARDS. AND THE EXISTING SHOWERS ARE LOCATED OUTSIDE THE SMALL SHADE STRUCTURE.

WE HAVE SOME 3D IMAGES FOR YOU TO TAKE A LOOK AT.

SO YOU CAN KIND OF COMPARE WHAT THE PREVIOUS DESIGN WITH THE CONCESSIONS AND THE OUTDOOR DINING, AND THEN ALSO THE SMALLER BEACH PATROL AND SHADE STRUCTURE.

THIS WAS THE VIEW FROM THE NORTH. THAT'S THE CONCESSIONS, THE OUTDOOR DINING.

YOU CAN SEE THERE WAS A LOT OF DECK SPACE, MUCH LARGER STRUCTURES.

NOW THE CURRENT DESIGN FROM THAT NORTH, THE STAIRS ARE IN THE SAME POSITION IN BOTH DESIGNS.

SO YOU CAN SEE HOW MUCH SMALLER THE DECK SPACE IS.

NOW WITH THE NEW DESIGN AND HOW MUCH SMALLER THE BUILDING VOLUMES ARE.

FOR THE BEACH PATROL OFFICE AND THE OUTDOOR SHADE STRUCTURE, THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE SOUTHWEST.

THE OLD DESIGN WITH THE CONCESSIONS AND THE OUTDOOR DINING.

AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE MUCH REDUCED DECK SPACE AS WELL AS THE SMALLER STRUCTURES FOR THE BEACH PATROL AND THEN THE SHADE STRUCTURE.

THIS IS THE VIEW FROM THE SOUTHEAST. THIS WAS THE PREVIOUS OUTDOOR DINING SPACE.

MUCH LARGER, MUCH LARGER DECK SPACE. AND THIS IS THE CURRENT SMALLER SHADE STRUCTURE AND THE SHOWER AREA AND MUCH SMALLER DECK SPACE.

THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT. I'LL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS OR CLARIFY THE DESIGN IF YOU ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

COUNCIL MEMBER. MAARTEN I REALIZE THIS LOOKS WONDERFUL BASED ON, ON ON THE SUGGESTED CHANGES FROM LAST YEAR, AND I EXPRESSED CONCERN AT THAT POINT IN TIME.

AND I'M GOING TO REITERATE MY CONCERN SO THAT WE'VE GOT IT ON THE RECORD.

AND THAT IS THE FACT THAT WE'RE EXCLUDING CONCESSIONS FROM THIS DESIGN.

MARK MY WORDS, IF WE DON'T HAVE CONCESSIONS, WE ARE GOING TO GET LAMBASTED BY OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR TOURISTS.

AND I REALIZE, BY THE WAY SOME OF THE CONCERNS FOR THE CONCESSION BECAUSE WE HAD TO MOVE HIM.

I'LL GIVE EVERYBODY A CONTEXT HERE. WE HAD TO MOVE THEM TO THE SHORELINE.

THE SHORE SIDE, IF YOU WILL, INSTEAD OF HAVING THEM OUT IN THE MIDDLE, BECAUSE WE WEREN'T ABLE TO PUT THEM BACK OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OF THE PIER. THAT CAUSED CONCERN WITH RESIDENTS IN THAT AREA THAT ARE CLOSE, REAL CLOSE TO THAT WHERE THE, WHERE THE CONCESSIONS WILL BE AND WHERE THE BATHROOMS ARE AND HAVE BEEN.

AND THEIR CONCERN WAS, AND IT'S A VALID CONCERN.

OTHER CONCERN WAS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO THE EXHAUST FROM, FROM POTENTIAL COOKING AT THE CONCESSIONS ARE GOING TO CAUSE THEM TO SMELL YOU KNOW, LIKE A COOKOUT EVERY DAY. AND I GET THAT AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY PAID A LOT OF MONEY FOR THOSE PROPERTIES AND THEY'VE GOT PROPERTY RIGHTS AND, AND THEY SHOULD BE CONSIDERED. I BELIEVE THAT WE COULD FIND A SOLUTION TO HAVE CONCESSIONS WITHOUT IMPOSING ON THOSE RESIDENTS BY SIMPLY HAVING WHOEVER THAT CONCESSIONS VENDOR MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, PRE-MADE SANDWICHES.

YOU KNOW, IF IT'S GOING TO BE PIZZA BECAUSE IT WAS COSMO'S, THEY CAN HAVE THE HEAT LAMPS, BUT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY EXHAUST FROM THAT, FROM THOSE TYPE OF THAT TYPE OF FOOD AND BEVERAGE.

SO I THINK THERE'S WAYS TO DO THIS, THAT, THAT, THAT ARE GOING TO BE, THAT ARE GOING TO GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE CONCESSIONS AND ALSO NOT IMPOSE UPON THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE RIGHT THERE.

AND I STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT WE SHOULD RECONSIDER POTENTIALLY PUTTING CONCESSIONS IN, BECAUSE, AGAIN, I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO CATCH IT FROM OUR FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS IF WE HAVE A PERIOD THAT DOESN'T HAVE CONCESSIONS.

SO. COUNCILMAN. BARTLEBAUGH. YES, I ABSOLUTELY HAVE HEARD FROM OUR COMMUNITY THAT NOT NECESSARILY CONCESSIONS, BUT THE FACT THAT WE WON'T HAVE ICE CREAM OR WATER.

WE DID DISCUSS IT. AND THERE WERE SOME ALTERNATIVES.

WE COULDN'T DO VENDING MACHINES, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THAT TRADITION OF HAVING ICE CREAM, AT LEAST IN SOME WATER THAT IS PROVIDED I JUST DON'T THE DIRECTION WAS GIVEN THAT WE WOULD NOT DO FULL CONCESSIONS.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO REVISIT A FULL CONCESSIONS, BUT IF WE ARE GOING TO CONSIDER SOMETHING AS AN WATER OR ICE CREAM

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I WOULD I, AND I, AND I APPRECIATE THE, THE DISCUSSION.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO DO IS INITIATE THIS DISCUSSION AND SEE WHAT, SEE WHAT THE REST OF THE DAY IS FELT ABOUT IT.

BUT THAT IS WHERE I STAND. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER AND THEN SCHULTZ.

SO I'VE TALKED WITH PLENTY OF ANY PALS AROUND HERE THAT GO TO THE BEACH AND HAVING CONCESSIONS ON THE.

AND BY THE WAY, FOR THOSE THAT DON'T THE NEW FOLKS, WE.

NEW RULES AND REGULATIONS FROM THE FEDS ARE WHY WE COULDN'T HAVE THE CONCESSIONS WHERE THEY USED TO BE.

IS THAT FAIR? MR.. CITY MANAGER. THAT IS FAIR.

AND UPON TAKING OVER, EVEN THOUGH I HAD HEARD THAT THAT WAS THE CASE EMBARKED UPON TRYING TO GET THE DOCUMENTATION TO PROVE THAT THAT WAS THE CASE.

AND UNDER NO SCENARIO COULD I, COULD WE GET IT OUT THERE? YOU CAN HAVE THINGS SUCH AS SOMEBODY THAT CAN WHEEL OUT A CART AND WHEEL IT OFF AT THE END OF THE DAY AND HAVE THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

BUT TO HAVE A PERMANENT STRUCTURE, YOU KNOW, SO YOU COULD DO IT IN THAT CENTER PLACE AND A BUMP OUT.

BUT WHAT YOU CANNOT DO IS HAVE IT RIGHT THERE.

AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WHEELING THE CART FOR ICE CREAM AND WATER MAY BE A FINE SOLUTION.

HAVING CONCESSIONS IS AN ABSOLUTE NO FOR ME AND I WOULD ALSO SAY MOST LOCALS, MOST LOCALS I KNOW ARE BRINGING THEIR OWN WHATEVER BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT PAYING THOSE CONCESSIONS. NO OFFENSE TO WHOEVER, BUT EVEN IF YOU GO TO LOUDERMILK OR WHATEVER, WE'RE BRINGING OUR OWN. WE'RE NOT BUYING IT FROM THERE. NOW I WEAR TWO HATS THE TDC HAT WOULD WANT, AS THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO MARKET TO MIAMI AND FORT LAUDERDALE.

THAT LOOK WHAT YOU CAN COME DO ON OUR PIER. THE CITY, THE CITIZENS WHO VOTE FOR ME, THEY DON'T WANT ANY OF THAT.

SO WHILE THERE ARE A HANDFUL THAT HAVE SAID, HEY, MAN, HOW COME? AND I SAY, YOU KNOW, YOU REALLY GO TO 7-ELEVEN, SO QUIT SAYING THAT.

AND THAT'S HOW IT'S BEEN. SO I'LL TAKE THE HEAT.

I'LL TAKE YOUR HEAT TO SEND THEM TO ME. I'LL SEND THEM YOUR WAY, DUDE. BECAUSE. NO.

FOR CONCESSIONS. OKAY, I COUNCIL MEMBER SCHOLZ.

WHEN WHEN I GO TO MICHIGAN STATE FOOTBALL GAMES, WHICH IS EVERY FALL THEY HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT GO UP AND DOWN WHO GO REFILL AT A VEHICLE, THEY CAN MAKE A PHONE CALL, BE REFILLED WITH ICE CREAM WATER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND JUST GO WITH THE GIANT THING AROUND THEM THAT CONTAINS THAT, AND THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE A WATER ICE CREAM WITHOUT HAVING THE STRUCTURE IN PLACE.

BUT I SEE IT FREQUENTLY IN PASSING HOT DOGS DOWN AND NO, BUT THE THE ICE CREAM, WATER AND SODA.

MAYBE IF SOMEONE CAN GET THE LICENSE WITH THE CITY, JUST HAVE A PORTABLE THERE WALKING AND PEOPLE CAN HAVE WHATEVER THEY WANT, BUT THERE'D BE NO ADDITIONS TO THE PIER, NO DESTRUCTION OR DESECRATION OF IT.

BUT THAT THAT MIGHT BE A WAY, A WORKAROUND, AS IT WERE.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? WELL, YEAH, MY MY CONCERN WAS, WHICH I ARTICULATED AT THE TIME, THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE ANYTHING THAT WOULD COMPETE WITH, YOU KNOW, THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE THINGS LIKE THAT IN THE CITY.

I DIDN'T I DIDN'T WANT TO COMPETE WITH ANYBODY THAT HAD A BUSINESS IN THE CITY. I I DIDN'T THINK THAT WAS QUITE FAIR, BUT CERTAINLY A SMALLER ITERATION SUCH AS YOU'RE SUGGESTING, SEEMS TO ME TO BE A WONDERFUL COMPROMISE TO THE CONCERNS THAT I HAD.

SO I COULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT THAT. I WILL JUST ADD, LET ME JUST ADD ONE MORE POINT TO THAT AND WHEELING THING OUT AND WHEELING IT BACK.

MAYBE THAT IS A GOOD SOLUTION AND THAT WILL APPEASE PEOPLE.

BUT I ALSO WOULD POINT OUT THAT AND MR. CITY MANAGER, PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THE CONCESSIONS THEY WERE GENERATING AROUND $100,000 A YEAR IN REVENUE FOR THE CITY.

THIS BEAUTIFUL PIER RIGHT HERE IS GOING TO HAVE UPKEEP.

THAT THOSE REVENUES PAID FOR THE UPKEEP OF THE PIER.

THIS UPKEEP FOR THIS PIER IS NOW GOING TO BE COMING OUT OF OUR POCKETS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE A REVENUE SOURCE GENERATING THAT, THAT, THAT MONEY FOR THE UPKEEP. SO ANOTHER, JUST ANOTHER POINT FOR CONSIDERATION. SO I'LL SAY THAT'S ROUGHLY THE NUMBER.

BUT I ALSO WANT TO JUST FOR POINT OF CLARITY, WE ALSO RECEIVE FOR ONGOING MAINTENANCE AND OPERATIONAL COSTS.

A TDC GRANT IN THE AMOUNT OF $500,000 ANNUALLY FOR THE PIER AND THE BEACH ENDS.

AND THEN IN ADDITION, WE ADDED LOUDERMILK. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, ALL MAINTENANCE OF THE PIER IS COVERED BY PAID PARKING.

AND OUT OF OUR OUR BEACH ACCESS AND BEACH FUNDS.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE CLEAR, INCLUDING RETIRING, ANY DEBT ASSOCIATED THAT WILL GO ALONG WITH THIS RECONSTRUCTION WILL BE RETIRED OUT OF OUR BEACH FUND AND NOT AT THE EXPENSE OF THE GENERAL TAXPAYER.

THANK YOU. SO A CONSENSUS NOT TO LOOK AT AT THE FULL CONCESSION STAND STILL STANDS.

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WE TALKED ABOUT IT DURING THE PERMITTING PHASE, AND WHEN I WAS DISCOVERING WHETHER WE COULD PUT ANYTHING OUT THERE, THOSE WERE POSSIBILITIES. SO TO TO YOUR POINT, MR. SCHULTZ'S POINT, THE ONLY THING I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TAKE A LOOK AT THE THE DESIGNS TO MAKE SURE WHERE WE HAVE ELECTRICAL IF NEEDED AND WHERE IT CAN BE, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE'S AN AREA WHERE WE COULD DO SOMETHING.

BUT AS FAR AS THE BIGGER QUESTION IS WE'RE NOT CREATING MORE SPACE UNDER ROOF THAT TURNS AROUND AND ENDS UP THAT IS A TRUE CONCESSION SPACE. AND WITH THAT, THEN I THINK WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, A FEW OUTLETS AND ELEMENTS THAT MAYBE WE CAN DO THAT TO WHERE A CAR COULD GO.

BUT I THINK THAT IS A FAIR COMPROMISE SHORT OF GOING BACK TO HAVING, LET'S PUT IT MORE UNDER ROOF AND WE'LL DECIDE LATER WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH IT.

AND AND BECAUSE WE'RE AGAIN, UNDER DEMOLITION NOW, YOU KNOW, TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE TO MAKE A FINAL DECISION.

SO YEAH, I THINK THIS IS A GREAT COMPROMISE, AND I SHOULD SAY YOU CAN GET A CONSENSUS FROM ME ON THAT AS WELL.

AS LONG AS WE AS A AS MEMBERS OF THIS DAIS REPRESENTING OUR, OUR COMMUNITY PUT AN EMPHASIS ON TRYING TO FIND SOME TYPE OF SOLUTION OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, VENDING MACHINES OR NOTHING. I THINK THAT WE NEED TO TRY TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT THAT WILL, THAT WILL HELP APPEASE THOSE THAT REALLY DO WANT TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF FOOD AND BEVERAGE SERVICE OUT THERE.

AND WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE A MORE DISCUSSION BECAUSE I'M NOT FOR FOOD.

THAT MEANS CONCESSIONS. AND WE DO HAVE A POLICY WITHIN THE CITY THAT WE WOULD NOT DO FOOD TRUCKS.

AGAIN, WE CAN LOOK AT THOSE THINGS, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW IT WOULDN'T BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO COME UP AND HAVE A FOOD TRUCK AT THE PIER AND THEN ON CERTAIN DAYS OR IT'S NOT ON THE TABLE FOR DISCUSSION.

SO THE CONSENSUS WOULD BE THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DESIGN THAT IS PRESENTED WITH THE CITY MANAGER WORKING ON LOOKING AT ELECTRICAL OR POSSIBLE PLACEMENT OF A CART THAT COULD PROVIDE SOME TYPE OF MINIMAL WATER AND ICE CREAM. FOR THE VISITORS.

PERFECT. YES. OR ANY OTHER. YES. YES. YES. YES.

OKAY. WERE YOU SATISFIED WITH THAT, MR. YOUNG? YES, MA'AM. AS FAR AS JUST ONE OTHER THING. I WOULD PROBABLY I'M GOING TO ASK FOR A MOTION JUST LIKE WE DID LAST TIME.

SO IT'S ON THE RECORD JUST TO KIND OF THANK YOU TO CONTINUE WITH THIS DESIGN, BECAUSE I WILL BE AMENDING THE CONTRACT TO INCLUDE THAT SPECIFIC LANGUAGE.

SO THEREFORE, HAVING IT AS A AS A MOTION WOULD BE PREFERABLE.

BUT I DID WANT TO GIVE YOU A COUPLE OTHER UPDATES. SO AS FAR AS WHERE WE ARE FIRST HERE AND I DIDN'T MEAN TO IGNORE YOU, SIR. WHEN YOU. AS FAR AS THE PRESENTATION, THEY'RE PROVIDING ALL THE CGI OR CONSTRUCTION ENGINEERING INSPECTION SERVICES AND IN ADDITION TO THEIR THE DESIGN ASPECT AS WELL. SO, SO FAR, ALL OF THE EPA WOOD IS REMOVED 34, 30 TO 40% OF THE CONCRETE HAS BEEN REMOVED.

AND THE CONCRETE REMOVED SO FAR IS BEING RECYCLED FOR HIGHWAY MATERIALS.

AND WE EXPECT THE FIRST BARGE TO THE REEF PROBABLY IN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS.

SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, IS I UPDATED YOU ALREADY.

THE ELECTRIC WILL BE INSTALLED ON MARCH 10TH AND THE RESTROOMS THAT WILL BE ADDED AIR CONDITIONED, FULLY FUNCTIONING. THE TRAILER THAT WILL BE ADDED WITH FOUR REGULAR STALLS AND ONE ADA COMPLIANT IN THE PIER PARKING LOT.

HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW IT'LL BE COMPLETED ON MARCH 10TH MARCH 11TH AT THE LATEST.

SO IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE HAVE ON THE TWO B TEN.

SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT. AND THEN IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION TO ACTUALLY APPROVE THE AMENDED DESIGN WITH THAT DIRECTION TO ME, I WOULD APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION.

I DIFFICULT TO REMEMBER ALL THE DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'VE HAD, BUT AT ONE POINT WE HAD DISCUSSED HAVING A CAMERA AT THE END OF THE PIER FOR A OBSERVATION AREA UNDERWATER. WHAT IS THAT STILL? I, WE STILL HAVE THAT AS PART OF OUR PART OF OUR CONTRACT.

ALL RIGHT. GOOD. JUST CHECKING TO MAKE SURE. YEAH.

OKAY. SCHULTZ IS PART OF MY CAMPAIGN AS WELL.

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AND I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND COMMISSIONER KOWAL FOR ALLOWING THE COUNTY TO OPEN UP TO THE CITY OF NAPLES, THE STAGING PLACE OFF NEAR WHERE ISLA CAPRI IS.

AND MARCO THAT THE COUNTY DID I BELIEVE ASSIST WITH WITH THAT EFFORT.

AND SO WHEN THE WRONG I WANT TO SAY THE WRONG.

BUT WHEN THEY DID A GOOD ONE FOR US I WANT TO GIVE HIM AN ATTABOY. SO THANK YOU.

WE DO THINK THE COUNTY MANAGER, STAFF AND COMMISSION FOR THAT SUPPORTING US IN THAT.

SO THANK YOU. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION. WHO WOULD LIKE TO ATTEMPT THAT? KRAMER. OKAY, I'LL DO IT. I'M NOW THE MOTION GUY.

YEP. CONGRATULATIONS. THE BARTON PLAN. THE MOTION GUY.

I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PIER PROJECT TO COMPLETION VIA THESE VIA THIS DESIGN. IS THAT ENOUGH? I WOULD SAY THE AMENDED LAND SIDE TO DESIGN AND INCLUDE THE ADDITIONAL OFFICE LOCATION AND RESTROOM FOR, FOR THE POLICE OR BEACH PATROL.

I THINK THAT SHOULD BE ADEQUATE. OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THE AMENDED PLANS TO INCLUDE THE PATROL STATION. THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED.

AND WITH THE ATTACHED RESTROOM. AND AND THEN JUST TO EVALUATE THE ELECTRICAL, TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE ANY PORTABLE AND TO EVALUATE THE ELECTRICAL TO SEE IF WE CAN ACCOMMODATE POTENTIAL OF HAVING SOME SORT OF VENDOR THERE.

NEAR OR AROUND OR THE PIER. I'LL SECOND THAT.

OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ.

NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNED BY I, I OPPOSED.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND THANK YOU.

AND PLEASE DON'T TAKE AWAY THE CAMERA. WE ARE ENJOYING WATCHING THE CONSTRUCTION OF OF THE PIER.

YES. THANK YOU.

WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES 13 B, THE NEW DESIGN.

I DID WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO MR. CELL PHONE ALSO.

I DIDN'T KNOW IF HE WAS GOING TO BRING UP THE FINDING OF THE OLD PILING.

BUT WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AT A LATER TIME. YEAH.

OKAY. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM 14 B. THANK YOU MAYOR.

[14.B) Discussion and Direction on the Design Options for the Baker Park Restroom and Office Project. ]

IS DISCUSSION AND DIRECTION ON DESIGN OPTIONS AT BAKER PARK RESTROOM AND THE OFFICE PROJECT.

YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT BY, BY VIRTUE OF INFORMATION IS, IS THE BAKER PARK, WE HAD RESIDUAL FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE NOW.

AND ONCE THE ORIGINAL DESIGN WAS DONE, THERE WAS SOME DEFICIENCIES THAT WERE IDENTIFIED AND THIS HAS BEEN APPROPRIATED.

IT WAS APPROPRIATED A YEAR AGO. BUT GIVEN THE THE WORKLOADS AND THE HURRICANES, WE JUST DIDN'T GET AROUND TO THE DESIGN END.

SO THIS IS PICKING UP THE PROJECT THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED A COUPLE DIFFERENT TIMES WITH COUNCIL AND INTO CIP.

AND THIS IS JUST TO BEGIN THE TO REVIEW THE DESIGNS AND.

MR.. MR.. CHAD MARITZ HERE TO REVIEW ALL OF THAT.

SO THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. CHAD MERRITT, COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR.

SO AS GARY STATED, THIS WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE KIND OF LOOKED AT SINCE BAKER PARK'S BEEN IN OPERATION IS HOW IT FUNCTIONS WITH THE USERS. AND THAT MEANS WHEN YOU'VE GOT A, A, A CENTER THERE, THAT'S A RENTAL SPACE AND WE HAVE A LOT OF SPECIAL EVENTS.

AND WHEN I SAY SPECIAL EVENTS, WEDDINGS, THINGS LIKE THAT.

AND ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE'VE HAD IS IT'S KIND OF A CONFLICT.

SO IF YOU'VE RENTED THAT SPACE AND YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY IN THE FORMAL LAWN, IF I'M USING THE PLAYGROUND, I'M USING THE KAYAK, WHATEVER IT MAY BE. THOSE PEOPLE OR THOSE USERS ARE HAVING TO MOVE ACROSS AND MOVE INTO THE.

THE EVENT SPACE TO USE THE RESTROOM. THE RESTROOMS WERE PLACED ON THE FAR SIDE OF THE GOMEZ CENTER.

SO WHAT THIS DOES AND WHAT WE HAD PLANS AND WHICH.

YOU SEE, I PROVIDED AN AGM. THE. THE RED SQUARE WAS WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY PLANNED FOR A RESTROOM.

THERE WAS A RESTROOM THAT'S SUPPOSED TO GO THERE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO HELP TO SERVICE THE PLAYGROUND.

THE KAYAK DOCK. THERE'S ACTUALLY ANOTHER PLAYGROUND DOWN BELOW IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN THERE.

THE PEOPLE WALKING TRAILS. THAT WAS IT WAS PUT ON.

SO IF YOU LOOK ON PAGE TWO OF THE AGM, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT RESTROOM IN THE PLACEMENT THAT IT IS.

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SO I'VE GIVEN YOU THREE OPTIONS. AND I DID THIS BECAUSE I'M A VISUAL PERSON.

I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU SEE WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE FROM A VISUAL STANDPOINT.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ORIGINAL LOCATION, IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT, UNDERSTAND ONE OF THE CONCERNS THAT I HAVE FROM THAT IS IF I'M ON THE PLAYGROUND AND I'M LOOKING FOR A RESTROOM, I'M GOING TO LOOK AT THE BUILDING, I'M GOING TO SEE THE BIG BUILDING. THAT'S THE FIRST PLACE I'M GOING TO GO.

THIS RESTROOM IS GOING TO BE PRETTY HIDDEN. SO IF I'M LOOKING IN THAT DIRECTION, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IT FROM THE PLAYGROUND.

YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO AT LEAST SOMEWHERE CLOSE TO THE PATH, AT LEAST THE ENTRANCE OF THE PATH.

SO OPTION ONE, WHICH IS KIND OF GOING FROM ONE EXTREME TO THE NEXT, OPTION ONE, AS YOU SEE, PUTS IT RIGHT IN THE ON THE EDGE OF THE, THE FIELD, THE OPEN SPACE.

AND I'LL SHARE WITH YOU HERE IN A SECOND WHERE KIND OF WHERE MY STANCE IS ON THAT.

OPTION TWO, LOCATION TWO IS KIND OF A HAPPY MEDIUM.

IT SHIFTS IT A LITTLE BIT WHERE IT KIND OF PEAKS AROUND THE CORNER.

SO IF I'M AT THE PLAYGROUND, I'M GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE IT.

BUT I'M NOT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE OUT IN THE OPEN IN MY FACE.

SO WHERE WE'RE AT NOW IS WE ARE IN THE DESIGN PORTION OF IT.

THESE WERE THE CONCEPTUAL WE FELT THIS CONVERSATION WOULD BE WORTH HAVING BECAUSE ORIGINALLY THE RESTROOM WAS PLANNED FOR THE ORIGINAL LOCATION.

I FEEL THAT FROM MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE LOCATION TWO IS A IS GOING TO BE UTILIZED MORE.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO KEEP IT HIDDEN ENOUGH, BUT AT LEAST PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE IT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO USE IT.

AND I THINK THIS WILL HELP WITH THE INTERFERENCE THAT WE HAVE WITH THE USERS MOVING THROUGH THE EVENT SPACE TO USE THE RESTROOM THAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING.

YOU'VE GOT SOME EXCUSE ME, YOU'VE GOT SOME CONCEPTUALES THERE.

THE CONCEPTUALES ARE GOING TO SHOW YOU KIND OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

I THOUGHT THESE WERE GOOD RENDERINGS. A LOT OF DIFFERENT ANGLES.

THIS WILL AGAIN, LOCATION ONE IS OR THE ORIGINAL LOCATION IS THE ONE THAT YOU SEE THAT'S GOT THE KIND OF HIDDEN IN THE VEGETATION. SO I THINK I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS FIRST, AND THEN WE CAN MOVE INTO THE, WHAT THEY CALL THE CAFE BUILDING, BUT THE GOMEZ CENTER, IN ADDITION OF THE OFFICE SPACE AND THE STORAGE.

SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS, I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT.

SO THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTFULNESS.

I AM A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE LOCATION BEING HOW LARGE IS THAT FACILITY GOING TO BE? THIS IS LET ME GET THE DIMENSIONS. I'VE GOT IT ON HERE.

SORRY. THERE'S A LOT OF RENDERINGS. SO. SAME SIZE.

SAME SIZE AS EXISTING. GOT SOME HELP OVER THERE.

YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE A 17 BY 26. OKAY, SO THAT'S A DO THE MATH.

THERE WAS NO WAY TO TUCK IT IN ON THE KIND OF FURTHER BACK OFF OF THAT AREA, LIKE RIGHT NEXT TO THE PLAYGROUND. SO IT'S NOT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT FIELD.

SO HERE'S THE CHALLENGE. OKAY. IF YOU LOOK IN THE AGM, THEY'VE ALREADY PUT THE HOOKUPS FOR THE WATER AND SEWER.

SO WE CAN MOVE IT ANYWHERE WE WANT TO. THE COST IS GOING TO GO UP.

SO THIS WAS KIND OF A TO TRY TO KEEP US WITHIN THE BUDGET.

AND YOU SEE THE BUDGET'S AT 950,000. WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW PROJECTED AGAIN THIS IS AN OPC.

SO WE HAVEN'T PUT BIDS OUT. BUT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DIDN'T GO TOO EXTREME.

SO WE FELT IF WE SHIFTED IT OUT IT STILL PUTS IT IN A VISUAL STANDPOINT.

IF I'VE GOT A CHILD PLAYING ON THE PLAYGROUND, I WILL BE ABLE TO SEE THE PLAYGROUND OR THE BATHROOM.

SO THAT'S WHERE LOCATION TWO KIND OF CAME INTO EFFECT BECAUSE WE DID LOOK AT WHAT COULD WE GET IT CLOSER TO PLAYGROUND? BUT THEN THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU REALLY WANT TO HAVE A RESTROOM THAT CLOSE TO THE PLAYGROUND AND PLAIN VIEW, OR DO WE WANT TO KEEP IT A LITTLE BIT HIDDEN SOUTH? YEAH, BUT KIND OF STILL KEEP IT VISUAL. THANK YOU.

THAT WAS MY QUESTION. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ HAVE WE HEARD ANY IMPACT OR ANY COMMENTS FROM RIVER PARK RESIDENTS ON THEIR VIEWS AND HOW THIS IS GOING TO IMPACT THEM? WE HAVE NOT THIS TYPICALLY THEY.

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THIS IS, WAS ESSENTIALLY SOMETHING THAT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN OF THIS PARK.

SO WE WERE JUST TRYING TO INCORPORATE WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY APPROVED, BUT JUST DOING A SHIFT OF THAT.

OKAY. I JUST WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE'RE COOL.

ABSOLUTELY. I JUST WANT TO SAY WELL DONE. AND, YOU KNOW, I TALKED ABOUT THIS AND THE ISSUE LIKE THE MAYOR BROUGHT UP.

AND I, I CAN REMEMBER BEING AT A MEMORIAL SERVICE AND PEOPLE IN SHORTS WITH NO SHIRTS WALKING THROUGH US TO GET TO THE BATHROOMS. I MEAN, IT'S JUST LIKE, WOW, DO WE NEED THIS? AND I'VE BEEN TO A LOT OF EVENTS THERE. SO I THINK YOU'VE DONE A REALLY GOOD JOB AND THANKS FOR YOUR EFFORT ON OUR BEHALF.

YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THAT? SO THE CHOICE IS BETWEEN THE ORIGINAL LOCATION THAT WAS SET FORTH AND THEN THE SECOND.

YES. SO YOU HAVE THE ORIGINAL LOCATION, WHICH IS THE ONE THAT'S TUCKED AWAY.

YOU HAVE LOCATION ONE, WHICH IS KIND OF OUT IN THE OPEN ON THE SIDE OF THE FIELD, OPEN SPACE.

AND THEN YOU HAVE LOCATION TWO, WHICH IS KIND OF TUCKED AWAY BUT NOT TUCKED AWAY.

THAT'S THE ONE THAT IS PEAKED AROUND THE CORNER.

SO I GUESS I SHOULD, I GUESS I SHOULD HAVE FINISHED WITH I SUPPORT LOCATION TWO.

YES, BECAUSE OF THAT. YEAH. OKAY. THERE YOU GO.

EXACTLY, EXACTLY. YEAH. SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO GET A CONSENSUS ON LOCATION ON THAT MOTION.

YES. AND THEN WE CAN MOVE TO. GOT IT. OKAY, WAIT, BUT THAT'S NOT THE ONLY DISCUSSION THAT WE'RE HAVING, IS IT? YES. SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE OFFICE.

I CAN TALK ABOUT THAT IF YOU'D LIKE. AND LET ME JUST GET A CONSENSUS HERE.

SO WE KNOW WHERE OUR MOTIONS GOING ON. WHETHER YOU ARE WITH LOCATION TWO.

TWO. SCHOLZ TWO. YES. GOOD. OKAY, WE'RE ON THAT DIRECTION.

LET'S TALK ABOUT THE OFFICE. ALL RIGHT. SO ON THE SECOND HALF OF THAT, AS WE TALKED ABOUT, WE HAVE RENTALS AT THIS LOCATION. AND IT'S THEY CONTINUE TO INCREASE.

WE HAVE TO PUT STAFF THERE. WE HAVE A CHALLENGE.

TWO ACTUALLY TWO CHALLENGES. CHALLENGE ONE IS BEING ABLE TO HAVE ENOUGH STORAGE TO BE ABLE TO PUT TABLES, CHAIRS AND SUCH FOR THESE EVENTS. CHALLENGE TWO IS, IS WE DON'T HAVE A STAFF SPACE.

SO WHAT'S HAPPENED IS WE'VE HAD TO PUT STAFF IN A CLOSET, WHICH IS TAKING AWAY MORE STORAGE SPACE IN ORDER FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO, TO WORK. AND DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY NEED TO DO? THIS WAS NOT PLANNED AS ONE OF THE BUSIEST PARKS THAT WE GOT.

WE DON'T HAVE STAFF THERE. WE'VE GOT A DOG PARK THERE.

WE'VE GOT A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON. HAVING A STAFF PRESENCE IN THE FUTURE IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO DISCUSS, BUT CURRENTLY WE HAVE STAFF THERE WORKING THESE EVENTS AND THEY'RE THERE VERY FREQUENTLY.

SO WE WANTED TO CREATE A SPACE TO BE ABLE TO PUT THE STAFF IN, BUT WE ALSO WANTED TO BECAUSE MY OCD KICKED IN WITH SYMMETRICAL WE WANTED A STORAGE SPACE SO WE COULD DO THE TABLES AND CHAIRS.

WE OWNED THE OFFICE SPACE, BUT IF WE PUT ALL OF IT ON ONE SIDE, THEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS BUILDING AND NOW YOU'VE GOT KIND OF A LOPSIDED BUILDING IN MY EYES. SO WE HAVE SHIFTED IT TO WHERE WE'VE GOT THIS, THE OFFICE SPACE ON ONE SIDE, THE STORAGE SPACE ON THE OTHER SIDE, IT'LL BE SAME SIZE. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IN THE PLAN DRAWINGS HERE.

AND THAT WOULD ACTUALLY HELP US AND BE SUFFICIENT IN ALLOWING STAFF TO HAVE A SPACE TO WORK IN, BUT ALSO PROVIDE SPACE FOR STORAGE. SO THIS IS THAT'S THE PROJECT THAT WAS APPROVED.

AGAIN, THIS PROJECT IS PART OF THE THE CIP THAT WAS IN PREVIOUS IN 25.

SO IT IS FUNDED OUT OF BAKER PARK. AND THIS IS $950,000 BUDGET FOR THIS PROJECT, WHICH INCLUDES BOTH THE OFFICE SPACE AND STORAGE SPACE AS WELL AS THE RESTROOM ADDITION.

WHAT'S THE SIZE OF THE STORAGE SPACE THAT'S BEHIND THE KITCHEN AS OF NOW? OH, YOU ALWAYS ASK ME THESE. I'M SORRY, BUT I DID TALK BECAUSE I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT DIMENSIONS, TOO. WE'RE WE'RE ADDING MORE STORAGE SPACE. YEAH.

SO THE STORAGE SPACE WE'RE ADDING IS ABOUT 8.5FT BY 20, WE'LL CALL IT 28FT.

I WOULD SAY THAT THE STORAGE BUILDING THAT WE'VE GOT, RIGHT, OUR STORAGE SPACE THAT WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW.

IF YOU'VE BEEN IN THERE, THAT'S THE CLOSET. SO THERE'S A CLOSET SPACE THAT WE'RE HAVING TO HAVE STAFF WORK OUT OF.

SO IT'S KIND OF BROKEN OUT. SO IT'S KIND OF AN ODD SHAPE.

IT'S NOT JUST A SQUARE, IT'S ALMOST SHAPED LIKE A, LIKE A P WITHOUT THE INSERT.

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I WAS TRYING TO SEE DIMENSIONS. WE DON'T HAVE THE DIMENSIONS ON THAT DRAWING.

I GOT THE SOME ARCHITECTS IN THE AUDIENCE OVER HERE.

OKAY. I JUST IT'S 18 BY 20. IT'S STILL GOING TO SERVE AS A STORAGE AREA.

CORRECT. WE'LL STILL HAVE THAT. BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF OUR SUPPLIES IN THERE FOR CLEANING.

SO IF YOU'VE EVER BEEN IN THAT ROOM, IT'S A WHOLE LOT OF THAT.

WE'VE GOT A CABINET THERE WITH CLEANING SUPPLIES.

AND SO YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SPACE FOR TABLES AND CHAIRS RIGHT NOW.

I THINK WE ONLY HAVE MAYBE A HANDFUL OF TABLES AND WE'VE GOT MAYBE 60 CHAIRS.

AND IF YOU'VE BEEN IN ANY EVENT THERE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT MOVES, YOU OPEN THOSE DOORS UP AND YOU MOVE OUT.

YOU'LL HAVE 100 PLUS PEOPLE THERE. SO WE HAVE TO BRING TABLES AND CHAIRS FROM RIVER PARK, FROM STAFF IN A TRAILER.

THEY HAVE TO PUT THEM ALL OR THEY HAVE TO SET THEM UP.

THEN THEY HAVE TO TAKE THEM DOWN AND CARRY THEM BACK TO RIVER PARK. AND SO THAT'S IT'S NOT A VERY CONVENIENT THING.

AND THEN IF WE HAVE TWO EVENTS, WE HAVE SOMETHING GOING ON AT RIVER PARK AND BAKER PARK.

NOW WE'RE IN A LITTLE BIT OF A PICKLE. OKAY. AND, AND JUST TO.

THERE ARE TWO OFFICE SPACES GOING IN OR JUST ONE.

WE HAVE TWO SPACES THERE AND THAT IS FOR. WELL, SOMETIMES WE HAVE MORE THAN ONE, BUT WE MAY ACTUALLY SHIFT ONE OF OUR STAFF MEMBERS THERE. THAT'S ALREADY ON STAFF TO WORK OUT OF THE LOCATION.

THE ONLY REASON I ASK IS THAT BECAUSE IT APPEARS TO BE SEPARATED.

SO THAT IS. SO WE HAVE TWO. YEAH, WE HAVE TWO SPACES, THEIR OFFICE SPACE AND THEN THE STORAGE SPACE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT YOU CAN SEE. AND THEY'RE BOTH THE SAME SIZE. SO INSTEAD OF MAKING IT ONE OFFICE, WE FELT WE COULD BREAK IT UP AND MAKE IT TWO OFFICES FOR ANY FUTURE USE. AND LIKE I SAID, WE PROBABLY WILL SHIFT A STAFF MEMBER INTO THAT LOCATION THAT'S ALREADY ON STAFF.

OKAY. THANK YOU. SCHULTZ, A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THE SAFETY, DO WE HAVE A DEFIB MACHINE? IT'S GOING TO BE ON THAT SITE IN THAT OFFICE.

WE WE DO HAVE ONE AND WE WILL HAVE ONE ANYTIME.

WE HAVE WE'VE GOT THEM IN MOST OF THEM. AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S DONE WELL WITH THAT.

OH THERE'S ONE ON THE WALL. YEAH. THERE'S ONE.

THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S KEPT UP WITH ALL OF THAT.

YEP. OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? SUPPORT? ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS, MR. MERRITT? THAT'S ALL I GOT. JUST OKAY. DO I HAVE A MOTION? HERE. SURE. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PROCEED WITH THE PLANS AS PRESENTED USING LOCATION TWO FOR THE RESTROOM. IS THAT SUFFICIENT? AND DESIGN OF THE PROJECT AND DESIGN OF THE OFFICE.

YES. AS AS. AS PRESENTED. SUPPORT. OKAY, MR. YOUNG.

IS THAT GOOD FOR YOU? YES, MA'AM. OKAY, I'LL SECOND IT.

I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARL.

ALL IN FAVOR, SIGNED BY I, I OPPOSED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND JUST FYI, MRS. BAKER THOUGHT THAT THERE WERE GOING TO BE CHESS BOARDS OUTSIDE IN THE OPEN AIR. SO YOU MIGHT CONSIDER THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT C IP FOR NEXT YEAR.

SOUNDS LIKE A DONATION OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU STAFF.

OKAY. CHAD, DON'T GO NOWHERE. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM 14 C.

[14.C) A Presentation and Discussion on After-Action Items Related to the 2025 City of Naples Christmas Parade and the 2026 New Years Fireworks.   ]

THIS IS ANOTHER PRESENTATION. DISCUSSION. AND AS YOU KNOW, WHEN WE BROKE FOR THE HOLIDAYS, WE WERE COMING OFF OF OR HAD JUST EXPERIENCED THE CHRISTMAS PARADE.

AND THEN CERTAINLY WHILE WE WERE ON BREAK, WE HAD THE FIREWORKS WHERE IT OCCURRED ON THE SATURDAY AFTER NEW YEAR'S.

SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS HAVE AN AFTER ACTION REPORT ON BOTH OF THESE ITEMS. SO YOU CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT OCCURRED DURING THOSE EVENTS AND SOME OF THE FEEDBACK WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CHAD MERRITT AGAIN.

THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING AGAIN FOR FIVE MORE MINUTES.

[03:10:07]

THIS IS THE AFTER ACTION REPORT THAT WE PUT TOGETHER.

WE'RE GOING TO START WITH THE CHRISTMAS PARADE. CHRISTMAS PARADE TOOK PLACE ON DECEMBER 9TH, 2025, 6:30 P.M. WE ESTIMATED THE ATTENDANCE OVER 20,000.

IT WAS WELL ATTENDED. WE DID ADD THE VIEWERS ONLINE WERE PEAK AND THIS IS A THANK YOU TO.

DAVID PROVIDED ME THESE NUMBERS, BUT 4210 PEOPLE AT PEAK WERE WATCHING THIS ONLINE FROM THE BROADCAST, WHICH WE SHIFTED OVER, AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT HERE IN A SECOND.

MODIFICATIONS. WE MOVED THIS PARADE TO THE SECOND TUESDAY.

THAT WAS THE. IT USED TO BE ON THE FIRST TUESDAY.

WE DID THAT BECAUSE WE WANTED TO COORDINATE THAT WITH THE TREE LIGHTING. WE HAD A CHRISTMAS PARADE.

CHRISTMAS TREE WAS NOT EVEN LIT EVERY TIME WE HAD THE CHRISTMAS PARADE.

SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE WANTED TO SHIFT IT OVER TO THAT, TO COORDINATE THAT WITH THE BID TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CHRISTMAS TREES WERE ALL LIT UP, WHICH WE HOPED WOULD ENHANCE THE EXPERIENCE FOR THE USERS.

THE STAGE CHANGING. WE DID ADD A STREET TO TRY TO PROVIDE MORE SPACE AND REDUCE THE IMPACTS IT HAD ON SAINT ANNE'S.

THAT WORKED WELL, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT AGAIN IN A SECOND STREET CLEANING TIME FRAME.

WE DID MOVE THAT FROM DIRECTLY AFTER THE PARADE TO AFTER MIDNIGHT SO THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY PEDESTRIAN IMPACTS.

WE ALSO MOVED THE BROADCAST FROM IN FRONT OF CITY HALL OVER TO SUGDEN PLAZA.

THE REASON WE DID THAT WAS BECAUSE WE WANTED TO PROVIDE A BETTER EXPERIENCE FOR THOSE 4000 PLUS PEOPLE THAT WERE VIEWING IT ONLINE, BUT ALSO TO KEEP. IF YOU WERE HERE, YOU WOULD SEE THAT IT WAS.

PEOPLE WOULD STOP BECAUSE OF THE BROADCAST. THERE WAS INTERVIEWS THAT TOOK PLACE AND IT WOULD CREATE A TRAFFIC JAM RIGHT AT THE END OF THE PARADE THAT IMPACTED THIS INTERSECTION. SO WE WANTED TO SHIFT THIS OVER TO SUGDEN PLAZA.

IT WAS A LOT MORE, I WOULD CALL IT FESTIVE WITH THE BACKGROUND, WITH THE CHRISTMAS TREE.

THERE YOU HAD THE THE LIGHTS OF THE DOWNTOWN AREA.

SO IT WORKED OUT BETTER FOR BOTH OF THOSE REASONS.

AND THEN THE OTHER ADDITION IS WE ADDED FRENCH BARRICADES ON THE ENTIRE ROUTE FROM BOTH SIDES OF THE STREET.

THIS WAS TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM ENTERING INTO THE PARADE ROUTE TO GET CANDY, TAKE PICTURES, ETC.

IT DID ALLOW FOR THE PARADE AND THE PARTICIPANTS TO USE THE ENTIRE PARADE ROUTE, SO THAT INCLUDES THE BANDS.

ONE OF THE CONCERNS FROM THE. A LOT OF THE SCHOOLS WERE.

THERE WERE PEOPLE ENTERING INTO THE. THE BAND FORMATIONS THAT CAN CREATE ITS OWN ISSUES AND CONCERNS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS THAT ARE PLAYING INSTRUMENTS AND THEY'RE NOT REALLY LOOKING, BUT THEY'VE GOT INSTRUMENTS IN THEIR MOUTH AND THEY'RE WALKING AND THEY'RE TRYING TO KEEP THE PACE.

SO THIS WAS IT WORKED OUT WELL. I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU PICTURES IN A SECOND BECAUSE AGAIN, VISUAL, I THINK IT SAYS A LOT OUTCOMES AGAIN, HIGH PRAISES ABOUT THE BROADCAST AND THE BROADCAST TEAM ON THE NEW LOCATION.

IT DEFINITELY WORKED WELL WITH THE CHRISTMAS TREE LIGHTING.

THE STAGE STAGING AREA WENT REALLY SMOOTH. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S STILL WITH THAT MANY PEOPLE, THERE'S PEOPLE HAVING TO WAIT UNTIL THE LINE GETS MOVING.

BUT THE STREETS WERE SWEPT. AFTER MIDNIGHT. THAT WORKED FINE.

THAT WORKED WELL. WE HAD NO PEDESTRIAN IMPACTS OR CONFLICTS.

THE PARADE TIME WAS CUT FROM ALMOST THREE HOURS IN 2024 TO AN HOUR AND A HALF IN 2025.

THAT WAS TREMENDOUS. AND THAT WAS DUE BECAUSE OF THE FLOW AND PEOPLE NOT HAVING TO STOP BECAUSE ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE PARADE ROUTE.

CANDY WAS ABLE TO BE THROWN SAFELY. THERE WERE SOME SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE DIDN'T THROW THE CANDY FAR ENOUGH.

THAT'S TO ME WAS A MINUSCULE COMPONENT AS FAR AS OUTCOME FOR SAFETY.

WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY KIDS OR NEAR MISSES WITH KIDS GETTING UNDER THE FLOATS.

THE DRIVERS DID NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT HITTING SOMEONE.

THAT WAS ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS WITH THE PARTICIPANTS THAT THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT, INCLUDING MY STAFF THAT DRIVE IN THAT PARADE AND PULL SANTA, THEY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT PEOPLE COMING INTO THEIR.

AND THEY'RE LOOKING IN THEIR SIDE MIRRORS THE ENTIRE TIME BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT ENTER INTO THE PARADE ROUTE, THE BARRICADES CREATED A SAFE AND SECURE LOCATION FOR THE SPECTATORS, PREVENTING THEM FROM ENTERING INTO THE PARADE ROUTE.

SO AGAIN, HERE'S THE BARRICADES SHOWS YOU THAT WE ONLY PUT WE TOOK THE THE ROAD, THE PARADE AREA.

WE DIDN'T TAKE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL. WE ALLOWED THE.

[03:15:03]

HERE'S THE OUTCOME. 2024. YOU CAN SEE HOW THE CROWD WAS 2025, THE SAME LOCATION.

YOU SEE WHERE THE CROWD WAS IN THE SPACE THAT WAS PROVIDED.

THIS ONE IS PROBABLY A LITTLE MORE EXTREME. 2024 TELL ME WHERE THE FLOATS ARE.

2025 TELL ME WHERE THE FLOATS ARE. THAT WAS EXTREMELY DIFFERENT THAN 2024.

AND THAT THAT IS EXTREMELY CONCERNING WHEN I LOOK AT 2024 IN THAT PICTURE.

HERE'S 2025. THIS IS HOW MUCH SPACE A BAND USES WHEN THEY COME DOWN THE STREET.

AND THEY, THEY HAVE TO HAVE ALL OF THAT SPACE.

YOU SEE HOW MANY KIDS ARE HERE? IF I HAD THE PICTURE BEFORE, THEY WERE HAVING TO KIND OF SQUEEZE IN AND KIND OF MOVE ABOUT AND SHIFT AROUND SOME OF THE CROWD THAT WAS MOVING INTO THE PARADE ROUTE.

SO WE DID A PARTICIPANT FEEDBACK. WE WANTED TO HEAR HOW THEIR EXPERIENCE WAS ON THE 100 PLUS PEOPLE THAT PARTICIPATED IN THE SURVEY OR IN THE CHRISTMAS PARADE. SO WE DID WANT TO FIND OUT HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE IN THEIR GROUP.

SO WE AVERAGED ABOUT 25 OR 20 6 TO 50 PEOPLE WERE IN EACH ONE OF THE PARADE ENTRIES.

SO A GROUP ENTERS INTO THE PARADE. THEY HAVE AN AVERAGE OR MOST OF THEM HAVE 26 PLUS PEOPLE IN IT.

ASKED IF THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME MOST OF THEM HAD WERE RETURNEES.

ASKED HOW THE REGISTRATION PROCESS WAS WORKING.

IT WAS GREAT. WE WANTED. WE ASKED THESE QUESTIONS A LOT OF TIMES BECAUSE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING WHAT WE NEED TO DO.

DID YOU GET ENOUGH INFORMATION ABOUT THE PARADE? IT WAS, YES, IT WAS VERY CLEAR, SOMEWHAT CLEAR.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE AGAIN, WE USE THIS TO TRY TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS.

HOW ORGANIZED WAS THE CHECK IN AND STAGING AREA? WE GOT SOME REALLY GOOD POSITIVE FEEDBACK FROM THAT AS WELL WHERE PARADE STAFF AND VOLUNTEERS HELPFUL AGAIN.

POSITIVE IMPACT OR POSITIVE FEEDBACK. AND HOW WOULD YOU RATE THE PARADE ROUTE AND FLOW? EXCELLENT. GOOD. SOME THAT RATED IT FAIR. DID YOU FEEL SAFE DURING THE PARADE THIS YEAR? 100%. 100%. WE ASKED IF. IF SO, WAS IT DUE TO THE ADDED SAFETY AND SECURITY MEASURES THAT WERE TAKEN? YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT OVER 70% OF THEM SAID YES.

THAT WAS WHY THEY FELT THAT IT WAS SAFE. OVERALL, HOW SATISFIED WITH YOU, WITH YOUR EXPERIENCE? AND THAT WAS OVER 70% SAID VERY SATISFIED. AND THEN YOU HAD A LITTLE OVER 20% THAT SAID SATISFIED.

AND THEN YOU HAD SOME THAT WERE NEUTRAL STAFF FEEDBACK.

EMPLOYEES. WE HAD EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE BEEN AROUND FOR A LONG TIME.

THEY SAID THIS WAS THE SMOOTHEST PARADE THAT THEY'VE BEEN A PART OF SINCE THEY'VE BEEN HERE.

ADDITIONAL STAFF WOULD BE NEEDED. WE HAVE A LOT, IF YOU UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH IT TAKES FOR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO ORGANIZE, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. IT WAS UPWARDS OF 130 ENTRIES WITH AGAIN, AN AVERAGE OF 26 TO 50 PEOPLE IN EACH ENTRY.

STAFF REALLY DO A TREMENDOUS JOB TO BE ABLE TO CORRAL THAT WITH WHAT WE HAVE.

SO WE WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S ALMOST TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE WE'RE SCARED.

WE CAN'T MANAGE ALL OF IT WITH THE STAFF THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE.

THE BARRICADES WORK PERFECTLY AND THE STAFF'S.

AGAIN, THIS IS THEIR FEEDBACK. THE STAFF DRIVING THE PARADE SAID THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT RUNNING OVER PEOPLE.

THAT WAS GREAT. THE BROADCAST TEAM SAID AGAIN, THE BROADCASTING WENT PERFECT.

CHANGING THE TUESDAY DIDN'T IMPACT STAFF. IT DIDN'T SEEM TO IMPACT THE CROWD BECAUSE IT WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE.

THEN WE DID A COMMUNITY FEEDBACK AND I BELIEVE IS THAT MONIQUE.

DO YOU WANT HER TO HANDLE THIS OR YOU WANT ME TO? OKAY.

GOTCHA. SO WHEN THEY PUT A SOMETHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY TO GET SOME FEEDBACK ASKING THEM WHICH ONE OF THE.

WHICH ONE BEST DESCRIBES YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE CITY OF NAPLES? CHRISTMAS PARADE ON DECEMBER 9TH? A LOT OF PEOPLE 67, THEY KNEW ABOUT IT BUT DIDN'T ATTEND.

YOU HAD 11% THAT DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT, AND YOU HAD 22% OF THEM SAID THAT THEY ATTENDED FOR THE SAFETY AND SECURITY. CITY OF NAPLES UPDATED THE SET UP FOR THE DECEMBER 9TH, 2025 CHRISTMAS PARADE BY ADDING BARRICADES ALONG THE ENTIRE PARADE ROUTE AND ENCLOSING THE ADDITIONAL ROADS.

SO THEY WANTED TO. OR THEY WERE ASKED WHICH OF THE FOLLOWING WILL BE TRUE ON THAT STATEMENT OR WITH THAT?

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AND THEN WE'VE GOT WHAT'S THE NEXT HIGHEST. ABOUT.

SORRY, I'M. TRYING TO LOOK. SORRY. THIS THING'S IN THE WAY.

SO, THINKING ABOUT THE CHRISTMAS PARADE AND DECEMBER 25TH COMPARED TO PREVIOUS YEARS, WHICH OF THE FOLLOWING ARE TRUE? NOT SURE WHAT I THOUGHT I I'M MISSING THAT IS THAT I MIGHT NEED.

I THOUGHT IS IS THERE HAS A. THEY WERE ALLOWED FOR JUST FREE FORM COMMENTS AND IN YOUR PACKET YOU WERE PROVIDED THOSE FREE FORM COMMENTS SO THAT YOU MEMBERS OF COUNCIL HAD THAT. YEP. SO IT'S GOT SOME OF THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE ON THIS THAT.

10% SAID THEY THOUGHT THE OVERALL EXPERIENCE WAS WORSE THAN LAST YEAR.

AND THEN 6% THOUGHT THE TRAFFIC WAS WORSE. 6% THOUGHT THE PARKING WAS HARDER THIS YEAR, AND 6% SAID THEY DIDN'T ATTEND BECAUSE OF THE CONCERNS ABOUT CHALLENGES TO MAKE IT.

SO IT KIND OF PUTS US AT A POINT NOW WHERE WE WANTED TO PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION.

WE WANTED TO HAVE THE CONVERSATION WITH THESE CHANGES THAT WERE IMPLEMENTED THAT WERE LISTED IN HERE.

DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE IMPLEMENTING THESE SAME CHANGES MOVING FORWARD? THAT'S ALSO NOT ONLY FOR THIS PARADE, BUT ALSO FOR THE JULY 4TH PARADE OR ANY OTHER PARADE THAT THE CITY IS ORGANIZING, AS WELL AS ANY PARADE THAT'S HELD WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.

KNOWING WHAT WE SAW, WE HAD THE THE PRIME EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE'VE DONE ON THAT.

AND OBVIOUSLY IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH BROADCAST OR ANY OF THAT.

BUT YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE SAFETY CHANGES THAT WE MADE SHIFTING SOME OF THE STREETS THAT WE USED.

ARE THERE ANY ADJUSTMENTS OR ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO SEE IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE DIDN'T INCORPORATE.

AND THEN WE LIMITED IT TO 100 PEOPLE ENTRIES COMING IN.

THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE DIGNITARIES. AND WHEN WE SAY THAT, WE MEAN COUNTY, CITY ELECTED OFFICIALS, ETC. THAT CARRIED US RIGHT AROUND 130. THAT WAS 130 ENTRIES INTO THE PARADE, AND THAT WAS AN HOUR AND A HALF.

YEAH, NOT BANDS AS WELL. AND WE TRY TO GET AS MANY BANDS AS WE CAN BECAUSE EVERYBODY LOVES HEARING THE MUSIC.

SO I THINK I KIND OF PAUSE THERE AND HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, COMMENTS ABOUT THE CHRISTMAS PARADE.

I HAVE SEVERAL THINGS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED THAT I WANT TO DISCUSS, BUT I HAVE BARTON, I'LL JUST SAY THAT FIRST OF ALL, THE CHANGES I THOUGHT WERE WERE GOOD AND THIS REPORT SUPPORTS THAT.

SO I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE. THE ONLY CHANGE THAT I DID GET SOME NEGATIVE FEEDBACK ON WAS THE BARRICADES, BUT I WILL SAY REFER TO PAGE EIGHT FOR ANYBODY THAT HAS ISSUES WITH BARRICADES.

TAKE A LOOK AT THE PICTURE ON PAGE EIGHT. IT'S THEY'RE THEY'RE NECESSARY.

THEY'RE NEEDED. AGAIN, FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY.

THAT'S YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SAFETY HERE AGAIN.

AND YOU KNOW, WITHOUT BARRICADES, IT WAS, IT WAS A FREE FOR ALL AND WITH BARRICADES, IT WAS A PARADE.

SO BARRICADES NEED TO STAY AS WELL. SO I COMMEND YOU GUYS ON THE CHANGES THAT YOU MADE.

IT SEEMS TO HAVE WORKED OUT AND THE PARADE WAS EFFICIENT, EFFECTIVE AND SAFER.

SO THANK YOU. YEAH. BASICALLY HEARD THE SAME REMARKS 100%.

THE I WOULD ADD TO THAT THAT A COUPLE OF PEOPLE MENTIONED THAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY KIND OF GLAD THAT IT ONLY WENT ON FOR ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT KIDS IN BANDS THAT YOU KNOW, NEED TO GO TO SCHOOL THE NEXT DAY, THAT KIND OF THING.

I'VE HEARD ONLY 100% BETTER THAN EVER. 100%. MAY I JUST ADD TO THAT REAL QUICK? SURE. IN REFERENCE TO THE CANDY NOT BEING ABLE TO MAKE IT TO THE PARTICIPANTS, THAT'S ON US.

WE NEED TO WORK ON OUR, ON OUR THROWING ARMS UP HERE BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S.

YEAH. OKAY. YEAH, WE GOT A COACH UP HERE TO HELP US WITH OUR THROWING ARM. THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT.

YEAH. OUR PITCHING ARMS WERE POOR. SO I THINK THAT THE CHANGES WERE GOOD.

I DO HAVE SEVERAL ISSUES. ONE IS WHO WE REACHED OUT TO IN THE LOCAL AREA ON HOW WE, WHO THAT MAILING WHO, WHO WE REACHED OUT TO TO ASK FOR THE FEEDBACK FROM A LOCAL RESIDENT POINT OF VIEW, BECAUSE THERE ARE SEVERAL THINGS I HEARD WHICH WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MR.

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BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WHEN I GOT HERE, STAGING WAS TAKING PLACE ON BROAD AND WE NO LONGER STAGE ON BROAD BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE ROUTES THAT PEOPLE ARE UTILIZING TO BE ABLE TO GET THROUGH THE DOWNTOWN AREA INTO THIRD STREET.

SO IT WAS BLOCKING UP PEOPLE FROM BEING ABLE TO GET TO THIRD.

SO WE TOOK IT OFF ABROAD TO OPEN THAT UP. AND BUT AS FAR AS TAKING THE PARADE OFF OF BROAD, THAT'S GOING TO BE PRIOR TO MY ARRIVAL, AND I THINK O'REILLY WOULD BE THE PERFECT ONE, BUT HE'S UNFORTUNATELY, HE'S NOT HERE. OKAY. WELL I MIGHT HAVE, YOU KNOW, FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW, YOU DON'T KNOW ANY DIFFERENT.

BUT FOR THOSE WHO HAD THE STAGING ON BROAD, NOW THE NEIGHBORS, YOU KNOW ARE IMPACTED MORE BY THE STAGING BEING IN FRONT OF THEIR HOMES AND BEING ABLE TO GET IN AND OUT.

AND THAT'S A LONG PERIOD OF TIME. SO THAT'S MY CONCERN ABOUT NOT STAGING ON BROAD TO MY KNOWLEDGE.

AND WE NEED TO CONFIRM THIS, THAT THERE WAS ALWAYS DIRECTIONAL.

YOU DIDN'T, YOU DIDN'T BLOCK EIGHTH TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THIRD STREET.

SO YOU WENT DOWN YOU KNOW, NINTH TO BROAD AND THEN CUT OVER EIGHTH DOWN BY THE DOCK TO GET TO THIRD.

AND IT WAS A, I DON'T EVER REMEMBER THERE BEING SIGNAGE, BUT THERE WAS ALWAYS A CLEAR DIRECTION.

MAYBE THERE WERE OFFICERS SHOWING HOW YOU GOT DOWN TO THE THIRD STREET AREA.

BUT AGAIN, THE STAGING IN FRONT OF THESE HOMES IS INCREASED AND IMPACTED TO WHERE IT'S, YOU KNOW, TWO HOURS BEFORE AND THEN WHILE THEY'RE WAITING BEFORE THEY TAKE OFF.

THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE IMPACTED NOW BY, BY THAT STAGING.

SO I'D LIKE FOR US TO LOOK AT THE PROS AND CONS.

IF NO ONE'S OPPOSED TO THAT AND WHY WE DON'T STAGE BACK ON BROAD.

THE OTHER PIECE IS BARRICADES. IS THERE ANY WAY TO.

BECAUSE THIS IS NOT TO KEEP PEOPLE FROM GOING THROUGH IT, BUT THE HEIGHT OF THOSE BARRICADES.

IS THERE SUCH A THING OF A BARRICADE BEING LOWER? SO THESE PEOPLE THAT BRING THEIR, BEACH CHAIRS AND NOT IN JAIL? YES. SO THAT IT'S NOT BLOCKING THEM. I DON'T KNOW OF ANY THAT I CAN RENT THAT ARE GOING TO BE ANY SHORTER.

THAT IS THE THE SHORTEST. AND I THINK IF YOU PUT IT TOO MUCH MORE THAN THEN WE'RE GOING TO IT'S NOT GOING TO STOP ANYBODY FROM JUST STEPPING UP OVER TOP OF IT.

SO AT THAT POINT, IT'S KIND OF EITHER GET THEM OR YOU DON'T GET THEM.

WELL, IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING JUST TO LOOK AT. I AGREE, YOU CAN STEP OVER IT, BUT THE WHOLE POINT IS TO KEEP PEOPLE BACK.

AND SPEAKING OF STEPPING OVER THERE WERE NO BREAKS IN THE PARADE TO GET ACROSS THE STREET AND PEOPLE WERE STUCK ON ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER. SO SOMEHOW WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT THERE'S A, AN AREA WHERE THEY CAN CROSS OVER.

SO THEY HAD SOME POINTS TO BE ABLE TO CROSS OVER.

WHEN THE PARADE STARTED. THEY THEY WERE NOT GOING TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO MOVE BACK AND FORTH ACROSS THE PARADE ROUTE WHILE THE VEHICLES WERE COMING THROUGH.

WELL, THERE WERE PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T GOING TO THE PARADE THAT WERE TRYING TO GET TO A RESTAURANT, HAD A HARD TIME PARKING.

I'M TELLING YOU, I GET THE PHONE CALLS. YOU KNOW, THEY PARKED IN ONE GARAGE, BUT HAD TO GET ACROSS THE STREET TO GET TO THEIR RESTAURANT AND HAD TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN. SO IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.

I KNOW WE'VE HANDLED IT IN THE PAST WHERE THERE'S A BREAK AND PEOPLE CAN CAN SAFELY CROSS OVER.

BUT YEAH, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE MAINTAIN THOSE, THOSE BREAK POINTS.

BUT AGAIN, ONCE THAT PARADE STARTS, IT'S KIND OF THE, IT'S WHAT GOES ALONG WITH THE TERRITORY.

THE PARADE ROUTE HAS TO BE SECURED. SO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BREAK THAT OPEN.

I CAN LET POLICE CHIEF TALK IF HE WANTS TO TALK ON BEHALF OF THAT, BUT I WOULD IMAGINE THEY DON'T WANT PEOPLE MOVING ACROSS WHEN THE PARADE'S IN MOTION.

WELL, I'LL JUST SPEAK ABOUT THE SWAMP BUGGY PARADE.

THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A SEPARATE FROM HERE, BUT THERE HAS ALWAYS BEEN EMERGENCIES.

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SO THAT NEEDS TO BE CLEARED UP JUST FOR THE SWAMP BUGGY NEXT TIME.

BUT FOR THIS ONE, THERE SHOULD BE SOME AREA OF ACCESS TO BE ABLE TO WALK ACROSS WHEN WE HAVE A PARADE.

THAT AREA IS STERILE. THERE IS NO CROSSING. NOW WHAT? SWAMP BUGGY AND NOT WHAT ANY OTHER PARADE. THAT'S HOW IT WORKS.

BECAUSE IF YOU ALLOW CROSSING, THEY CROSS IN FRONT OF THE VEHICLES.

NOW, BEFORE THE PARADE OR AFTER THE PARADE. WE LET THAT GO AND THEN WE PUT OUT ALTERNATIVE ROUTES.

SO SOME OF IT IS COMMUNICATION, LETTING PEOPLE KNOW EARLY ON IF IF I WAS GOING TO HAVE A DINNER SOMEWHERE ON FIFTH AVENUE, AND I KNOW IT'S THE CHRISTMAS PARADE, I PROBABLY GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

JUST SAYING. THE POINT OF THE MATTER IS WE CANNOT SACRIFICE SAFETY FOR CONVENIENCE.

SO ONCE WE MAKE AN AREA STERILE AND I SAY STERILE, AS IN NOT ALLOWING CARS AND ALL THAT OR OTHER PEOPLE.

THAT'S IT. IT'S CLOSED DOWN. AND THEN WHEN THE PARADE BREAKS, WE OPEN IT UP INCREMENTALLY.

BUT TO THE POINT OF THE SWAMP BUGGY PARADE, IF WE'RE ON THAT RIGHT NOW.

NO, THAT NEEDS TO KIND OF GO SOME WHERE ELSE ON THE ROUTE BECAUSE 41 CUTTING 41 IS A BAD PRACTICE.

THERE'S NO FIXING THAT ONE, RIGHT? YOU CANNOT BREAK 41 AND NOT HAVE ANY OTHER ROADS IN THE CITY TO GO NORTH AND SOUTH.

SO, OKAY, WE WEREN'T ON THAT. SO I WAS JUST OKAY USING IT AS AN EXAMPLE.

THANK YOU CHIEF. AND THEN I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE I WATCHED IT ON THE TELEVISION.

I THINK THAT SORRY FOR EVERYONE ELSE WHO MIGHT LIKE IT, AND JUST ONE VOICE, AND THAT HAVING THE STAGE AREA OR THE JUDGES OR, YOU KNOW, WAS LESS CONGESTED WHEN IT WAS HERE ON EIGHTH AND WHEN I WAS WATCHING IT, THERE WERE SEVERAL PEOPLE JUST TRYING TO KEEP IT GOING.

AND THERE WERE A LOT OF BREAKS RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF THAT MAIN STAGE.

PLUS THERE WAS A LOT OF CHARACTERS THAT WERE YOU KNOW, BEHIND THE WHAT DO YOU CALL THEM? THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THE SPOKESPEOPLE, THE, THE BROADCAST BROADCASTERS? SO I DON'T KNOW IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SMALL THING, BUT IT DID TAKE UP SPACE FOR THAT AREA.

AND BUT IF STAFF THINKS THAT THIS IS THE BETTER LOCATION, THEN SO BE IT.

BUT IT DID TAKE UP A LOT OF SPACE AND I DIDN'T.

I SAW THAT THERE WERE STILL STOPPING IN THAT AREA.

SO WITH THAT OTHER COMMENTS. YOU NEED A, DO YOU NEED ANY TYPE OF CONSENSUS TO KEEP THESE CHANGES? OR WHAT DO WE, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO HERE? YEAH, I MEAN, I THINK WE WOULD, IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US TO GET DIRECTION ON, ON WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO MOVING FORWARD IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO IMPLEMENT THESE CHANGES FOR THE CHRISTMAS PARADE IN PARTICULAR.

AND THEN I GUESS WE'LL HAVE A BIGGER CONVERSATION SHORTLY.

WELL, WELL, THE BARRICADES LET ME JUST PAUSE FOR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE OTHER DISCUSSION LATER ON TODAY ON SPECIAL EVENTS, BUT I HAVE A QUESTION MARK AS IT PERTAINS TO THOSE.

BUT IF WE CAN ANSWER IT NOW, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS MADE IT CLEAR IN THE PICTURES THAT THEY PROVIDED AND CHAD'S PROVIDED IN TERMS OF THE FRENCH BARRICADES.

AND AND I KNOW WE'VE ALL GOTTEN SOME SAME FEEDBACK IN THE SENSE IS THAT, WELL, MAYBE WE LOST SOME SMALL TOWN TOWN CHARM ON THIS.

IT WASN'T AS AS ENDEARING AND IN FULLY ENGAGED.

AND I THINK THAT'S THAT MAY BE TRUE, BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I'D LIKE CONSENSUS AS TO WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AND HAVE THE BARRICADES AND SUPPORT THAT, BECAUSE MY INTENT WOULD NEVER BE TO RENT THEM AGAIN, NOR TO REQUIRE ANYBODY ELSE THAT IS, IS HAVING A PARADE TO RENT THEM THEMSELVES. BECAUSE THE PRICE POINT ON THAT WAS WE RENTED THEM FOR $40,000 AND DEPENDING ON MY INTENT IS TO HAVE ACTION FROM HERE, IS TO GO BACK AND SAY, WE SHOULD BUY THEM BECAUSE WE HAVE THREE PARADES A YEAR THAT WE'D BE RENTING THEM FOR.

IT'S NOT COST EFFECTIVE. AND THEN WE JUST HAVE A NOMINAL FEE FOR ANYBODY ELSE THAT HAS A PHRASE, AS OPPOSED TO THEM HAVING TO PAY THE SAME THING WE ARE. SO I WOULD LIKE WHETHER YOU DO IT NOW OR WE DO IT IN THE NEXT ONE.

I WOULD LIKE IT IF WE SUPPORT MAKING SURE THE FRENCH BARRICADES ARE IN PLACE AND WE HAVE A FLEET OF THEM TO DEPLOY.

THEN THEN I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE PART OF A MOTION.

EVENTUALLY I'D COME BACK TO YOU WITH AWARDING OF A CONTRACT TO PURCHASE THEM.

AND THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE MY INTENT. SO TAKING THEM ONE AT A TIME.

YES. THE BARRICADES BASED ON OUR CHIEF OF POLICE.

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AND SO I'M ALL FOR PURCHASING THEM FOR OBVIOUS FISCAL REASONS THAT OUR CITY MANAGER JUST ENUMERATED.

SO A CONSENSUS ON THE BARRICADES. YEAH, I SUPPORT IT, YES.

YEP. OKAY. IS THIS COMING UP LATER IN THE AGENDA? IT'LL BE COME BACK AS A SEPARATE ITEM TO AWARD A CONTRACT ON AN AGENDA.

YES. THANK YOU. AND THEN WE HAVE THE SECOND TUESDAY.

I SUPPORT THAT. YES. YES, YES. OKAY. THE STAGING AREA, WHICH I THINK THAT SHOULD BE REVIEWED, BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION.

CURL. I'M OPEN TO MOVING BACK TO THE ORIGINAL LOCATION.

I. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT WHERE WE HAD IT. MAYBE IT WAS A SMALLER STREET AND THEREFORE IT WAS AFFECTING THE RESIDENTS OF THAT STREET. BUT I ALSO WOULD PUT AN EMPHASIS ON CHAD'S POINT, WHICH WAS TO GET DOWN TO THIRD. THAT BROAD IS THE IS THE MAIN ARTERY TO GET DOWN THERE.

AND IF WE'RE STAGING ON THAT, THE ONLY WAY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET DOWN THERE IS THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO DOWN TO GULF SHORE BOULEVARD AND THEN GO SOUTH. I MEAN, YOU CAN STILL DO IT, BUT IT'S OBVIOUSLY TAKES A MAIN ARTERY OUT OF THE EQUATION TO GET TO THIRD.

SO MY OPINION IS IT PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE ON BROAD AND BROAD SHOULD BE USED FOR TRAFFIC.

KRAMER, I'M GOING TO LET THE. EXPERTS FIGURE THAT OUT.

THAT'S NOT OUR JOB. AND THAT'S WHY WE PAY YOU.

SO WHAT WERE THE BEST PLACE IS FIND THE BEST PLACE.

AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME PEOPLE COMPLAIN WHEREVER YOU PUT IT.

YOU CAN'T PLEASE EVERYBODY. OKAY. I WITH THE DROP OFF PICKUP GUY FOR THIS PARADE, AND I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS THE TRAFFIC MOVING AROUND THERE.

IT WAS THE BEST I'VE SEEN EVER IN NEARLY 30 YEARS.

I'LL DEFER TO THE EXPERT AND, SCHULTZ, I AGREE WITH YOU.

OKAY, SO MOVING TO STREET CLEANING. I THOUGHT THAT WAS PERFECT.

WHOEVER HAD THE MIDNIGHT SHIFT. I'M SORRY, BUT.

ANY. YES, CARL. YES. OKAY. YES.

THE BROADCAST TO SUGDEN. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY OTHER OPINIONS.

NO, NO, NO, I THINK. I THINK MOVING IT TO WHERE IT WAS, I THINK THAT WORKED WELL AND I THINK THE FEEDBACK WAS PRETTY SOLID ON IT.

BASED ON WHAT CHAD HAS MENTIONED TO ME. SO I THINK IT WAS IT WAS A GOOD MOVE.

OKAY. YES. YES. YES. YES. OKAY. PERFECT. MOVING.

OH, WE ALREADY DISCUSSED THE FRENCH BARRICADES.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE, MR. MERRITT? THAT'S ALL FOR THE CHRISTMAS PARADE. SIR, IF I COULD.

THE 100 ENTRIES WE DIDN'T MENTION, BUT I. OH, YES.

OH. THANK YOU. YEAH, I AM. ARE WE GOOD WITH. I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE, DO WE WANT IT BIGGER? DO WE WANT IT SMALLER? THAT WAS AN HOUR AND A HALF.

130 ENTRIES. ANY BIGGER? YOU HEARD HIM. THEY MADE NO CHANGES.

SO IT WAS JUST RIGHT? YES. I DON'T WANT IT ANY BIGGER.

THANK YOU. PERFECT. WE'VE METICULOUSLY TRIED TO LOWER IT EVERY YEAR, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

OKAY, NOW MOVING TO MOVING TO NEW YEAR'S FIREWORKS.

SO NEW YEAR'S FIREWORKS THIS YEAR. JANUARY 3RD, 2026, 6:30 P.M..

APPROXIMATELY 8000 WAS ESTIMATED. LOCATION WAS NAPLES BEACH OFF OF THE END OF THE NAPLES PIER.

JUST LET ME INTERRUPT FOR ONE SECOND, MADAM MAYOR. WHETHER HE MAKES IT THROUGH THE PRESENTATION OR YOU BREAK NOW IS IRREGARDLESS.

AND WE WON'T GET THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION ITEM, SO I'LL DEFER TO YOU AS TO THAT.

I SAID FIREWORKS. I LOOKED UP AT THE TIME. I CAN BACK IT UP.

WE CAN START FROM RIGHT HERE. YEAH, THAT WOULD BE FABULOUS.

I THINK THAT'S THE BEST MOVE TO DO. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

NO PROBLEM. SO IT'S 1225. WE DO HAVE A TIME CERTAIN OF AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

SO WE'LL PAUSE HERE ON CHRISTMAS. I MEAN, THE NEW YEAR'S EVE FIREWORKS AND WE'LL GO TO MR.

[14.E) Executive Session regarding Arolas, Rodolfo v. City of Naples, Office of the Judges of Compensation Claims, OJCC Case Numbers 24-006353JAW and 24-006350JAW (Time Certain 12:30PM)]

YOUR CITY ATTORNEY ANNOUNCED HIS REQUEST FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION IN CASE STYLED A ROLE AS RODOLFO VERSUS CITY OF NAPLES.

OFFICE OF THE JUDGES OF COMPENSATION CLAIMS OJSC CASE NUMBERS 24006353JAW AND 24006350JAW CITY COUNCIL AGREED TO MEET TODAY, MARCH 4TH, 2026, IN THE SECOND

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THE EXECUTIVE SESSION IS EXPECTED TO LAST APPROXIMATELY ONE HOUR.

DISCUSSION IS LIMITED TO EITHER SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATIONS OR STRATEGY RELATED TO LITIGATION EXPENDITURES.

THE ENTIRE SESSION IS RECORDED. NO ACTION WILL BE TAKEN DURING THE SESSION.

ANY ACTION REQUIRED BY COUNCIL WILL HAPPEN WHEN WE COME BACK TO PUBLIC OR AT A FUTURE PUBLIC MEETING.

FOLLOWING INDIVIDUALS WILL BE PRESENT DURING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. MAYOR TERESA HEITMANN, COUNCIL MEMBERS, BILL KRAMER, LINDA BYRNE BARTON, JOHN KRULL, SCOTT SCHULTZ, CITY MANAGER. GARY YOUNG, CITY ATTORNEY.

MATTHEW. MCCONNELL, ATTORNEY MICHAEL F2 AND REPRESENTATIVE FROM DION'S CO REPORTING.

THANK YOU. JUST MR. MCCONNELL, FOR THOSE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN THE NEXT ITEM AFTER EXECUTIVE SESSION 14 D APPROXIMATELY.

I KNOW WHAT YOU. THE THE SESSION IS APPROXIMATELY SUPPOSED TO LAST AN HOUR.

SO WE'LL SAY 130 TO OR APPROXIMATELY OR SHORTLY AFTER THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.

I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE THOSE A WARNING. SO REMEMBER MAYOR, WE HAVE TO COME BACK AND FINISH THE FIREWORKS.

CORRECT. SO I THINK OKAY WITH THAT APPROXIMATELY 115 130 THAT WILL BUT WE WILL CONTINUE THE FIREWORKS DISCUSSION ON 14 C AND THEN 14 D AFTER OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION, WE ARE IN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

GREAT. OKAY, WE'RE BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION.

MR. MCCONNELL. YES. THANK YOU. MAYOR. NOTHING IS REQUIRED OR REQUESTED OF COUNCIL AT THIS POINT.

ANY ACTION? AS I SAID PRIOR TO US STARTING EXECUTIVE SESSION WILL BE ADDED TO A FUTURE AGENDA FOR ACTION OF COUNCIL.

THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US TO CONTINUING WITH ITEM 14 C, A PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION ON THE PAST CHRISTMAS PARADE AND THE 2026 FIREWORKS.

MR. MAYOR. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS TIME, CHAD MERRITT, COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR TO CONTINUE ON, WE WILL MOVE WITH THE NEW YEAR'S EVE FIREWORKS.

THE FIREWORKS WERE HELD ON JANUARY 3RD, 2026, 06:30 P.M.

APPROXIMATELY 18,000 PEOPLE ATTENDED. THIS WAS AT NAPLES BEACH JUST OFF OF THE NAPLES PIER.

MODIFICATIONS FOR THIS YEAR, WHERE WE HELD THE FIREWORKS ON NEW YEAR, NEW YEARS AFTER CANCELING THEM FOR 2024.

WE MOVED THE DATE FROM THE TO THE FIRST SATURDAY AFTER NEW YEAR'S INSTEAD OF NEW YEAR'S EVE.

ORIGINALLY, THEY WERE HELD AT 630 ON NEW YEAR'S EVE.

OUTCOMES. THE DATE CHANGE DID MAKE THE EVENT ATTENDANCE SMALLER AND A LITTLE BIT MORE LOCAL.

I THINK POLICE BELIEVE THEY SHARED THAT. THEY FELT IT WAS A LITTLE MORE FAMILY ORIENTED CROWD.

THE TRAFFIC CLEARED WITHIN AN HOUR. MPD WAS WAS ABLE TO FOCUS ON THE EVENT WITHOUT ANY EXTRA EVENTS THAT OCCURRED IN NEW YEAR'S EVE. STAFF FEEDBACK TO DATE WORKED WELL. THE CROWD WAS MANAGEABLE.

NO ISSUES WERE REPORTED. THE NAPLES PIER IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, SO WE.

WE NEED TO CONSIDER THAT MOVING FORWARD. ALSO, THE QUALITY OF THE FIREWORKS NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED AND THIS WILL.

I'LL TALK ABOUT THIS HERE IN A SECOND AS WELL.

COMMUNITY FEEDBACK. RESIDENT RESPONSES. AFTER DECEMBER 31ST, 2020.

FOR NEW YEAR'S EVE, FIREWORKS WERE CANCELED FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY REASONS.

THE CITY OF NAPLES RESCHEDULED THE 2026 FIREWORKS TO SATURDAY, JANUARY 3RD, 2026.

DID YOU OR YOUR HOUSEHOLD ATTEND THE JANUARY 3RD FIREWORKS CELEBRATION? AND MOST OF 58% OF THEM SAID NO AND THEY KNEW ABOUT IT.

AND THEN WE HAD 36% THAT SAID YES, AND THEY ATTENDED.

SO THEN THE QUESTION WAS, LOOKING AHEAD OF FUTURE, WHICH TIMING WOULD YOU PREFER FOR THE YEAR? THE NEW YEAR'S EVE FIREWORKS AND 54% SAID DECEMBER 31ST.

27% SAID THE FIRST SATURDAY AND 12% SAID THEY PREFER NO FIREWORKS.

AND THEN THERE WERE SOME THAT SAID THEY WERE NOT SURE.

AND THEN OTHER. SO THAT KIND OF BRINGS US TO OUR CONVERSATION.

AND DOES THE CITY COUNCIL WANT US TO CONTINUE THE FIREWORKS ON NEW YEAR'S TIME FRAME? SO WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE THEM, IF. YES.

DO WE WANT TO CONTINUE WITH THE FIRST SATURDAY AFTER NEW YEAR'S, OR DO WE WANT TO CHANGE IT BACK TO THE NEW YEAR'S EVE?

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THE SHOW SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE LEFT, A LOT LEFT TO BE DESIRED.

THEY DON'T SHOOT THE FIREWORKS VERY CONSISTENTLY.

IT'S KIND OF ONE THAT EXPLODES AND THEN IT GOES DOWN.

SO WE CAN DO THAT AND WE CAN MODIFY SOME OF THE SCOPE OF THE BID WHEN THAT GOES OUT.

SO I DID WANT TO AT LEAST HAVE THAT AS PART OF THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE I WILL BE WORKING TO PUT THIS BID TOGETHER.

SO I WILL TURN IT OVER TO ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY.

COUNCIL QUESTIONS. COMMENTS. A TRADITIONALIST. I LIKE THE TRADITIONAL 4TH OF JULY.

BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE CONTINUED AND IT'S KIND OF BEEN A FOUNDATION ACTIVITY IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO. IF YOU WERE ECHOING AND I'M SORRY, I MISSED PART OF IT THAT IT WAS LOCAL AND MAYBE THAT'S JUST OKAY, THAT IT WAS AS LONG AS THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT IT TURNED OUT TO BE A LOT MORE LOCALS THAN IF WE. WHEN WE USED TO HAVE THEM ON NEW YEAR'S EVE.

AND I'D RATHER LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT FEELS MORE LIKE THE COMMUNITY HAS COME TOGETHER TO CELEBRATE THE NEW YEAR.

SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THAT. OKAY. I WILL JUST SAY THAT THE COMMUNITY WAS VERY LOUD AND CLEAR WITH ME THAT THEY DIDN'T WANT THE DISRUPTION OF TWO DAYS OF EVENTS AND REALLY WANTED IT TO GO BACK TO NEW YEAR'S EVE AND HOW WE COULD SUPPORT THE POLICE AND DEPARTMENT AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE SAFE WOULD BE THEIR DESIRE.

SO THAT'S MY MAJORITY OF THE FEEDBACK THAT I RECEIVED THAT NEW YEAR'S EVE WAS THE DAY TO, TO DO IT.

ANY OTHER. KRAMER. WELL, AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING WE REALLY VETTED AND SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON.

AND OUR CHIEF OF POLICE TOLD US, GAVE US VERY VALID REASONS OF WHY WE SHOULD NOT DO IT ON NEW YEAR'S EVE.

IT WASN'T DONE IN A VACUUM. IT WASN'T DONE ARBITRARILY. AND I HAVE TO SAY, WHAT'S OUR NUMBER THERE? 54% THAT SAY THEY'D LIKE IT TO MOVE BACK TO NEW YEAR'S IS A DRAMATIC IMPROVEMENT OVER THE 90% THAT DIDN'T WANT IT TO MOVE. BECAUSE WHEN WE WERE FIRST TALKING ABOUT DOING THIS, I THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO.

YEAH, PITCHFORKS AND LANTERNS COMING TO MY HOUSE.

AND IN THE END, IT TAKES SOME TIME FOR THINGS TO GET TRACTION.

IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME UNTIL IT HAS TRACTION. PEOPLE KNOW WHAT TO EXPECT. AND YOU KNOW, AS A HEALTH EDUCATOR, WE TEACH THAT THE NUMBER ONE CAUSE OF DISCONTENT OR STRESS IS UNMET EXPECTATIONS IN HUMANS.

AND SO IF THEY JUST KNOW THIS IS HOW IT IS, WE'RE NOT GETTING DIVORCED.

WE'RE IN IT TOGETHER FOREVER. THAT ELIMINATES A LOT OF STRESS.

SO IF WE CAN JUST LET THEM KNOW THAT THIS IS HOW IT IS, THAT'S GOING TO LIMIT A LOT, ELIMINATE A LOT OF STRESS, WE JUST HAVE TO BITE THE BULLET FOR ANOTHER YEAR OR TWO. YEAH, I AGAIN, HERE I AM TALKING ABOUT SAFETY SAFETY OF OUR COMMUNITY.

AND, AND I, AGAIN, WE DISCUSS THIS IN DETAIL WHEN WE MADE THIS DECISION AND IT WASN'T AN EASY DECISION.

THERE WERE VALID ARGUMENTS, BUT YOU KNOW, I VOTED TO MOVE IT BASED ON OUR EXPERT'S OPINION FROM, FROM A SECURITY STANDPOINT FOR OUR COMMUNITY THEY LAID OUT A VERY VALID LOGICAL ARGUMENT AS TO WHY IT SHOULDN'T BE ON NEW YEAR'S EVE, AND WE SHOULD BE HAVING A COUPLE OF DAYS LATER THERE, THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT ARE NOT THRILLED ABOUT IT NOT BEING ON NEW YEAR'S EVE AND THEY SAY, HEY, THIS SHOULD BE A. THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A NEW YEAR'S CELEBRATION. WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS THAT THIS IS A NEW YEAR, NOT NEW YEAR'S EVE, NEW YEAR CELEBRATION. WE ARE CELEBRATING THE BEGINNING OF A NEW YEAR, AND IT'S OKAY TO HAPPEN ON A ON THE THIRD.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO HAPPEN AT 1201 ON THE FIRST.

SO I WOULD AGAIN DEFER TO OUR EXPERTS FROM A STANDPOINT OF SAFETY AND SECURITY FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

I DON'T THINK THEIR OPINIONS HAVE CHANGED. I DON'T KNOW IF CHIEF WANTS TO REITERATE ANY OF THOSE OR IF I'M IF I'M DOING A GOOD ENOUGH JOB, THAT'S FINE. BUT I KNOW THAT THAT WAS, THAT WAS THE BASIS ON MY DECISION TO MOVE IT LAST, LAST YEAR.

AND MY OPINION HAS NOT CHANGED. CYRIL DOMINGUEZ CHIEF OF POLICE

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AND THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO PROTECT HAVEN'T CHANGED.

SO ON NEW YEAR'S EVE THIS LAST NEW YEAR'S EVE, WE, WE TOOK GREAT PRIDE IN BEING ABLE TO PROTECT THE CITY WITH ENOUGH STAFFING THAT WE HAD AVAILABLE BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T TIED TO AN EVENT LATER.

RIGHT. SEPARATING THE TWO HAD NOTHING. I MEAN, WE WOULD RATHER DO IT ALL ONE DAY.

KNOCK IT OUT. I MEAN, CLEARLY IF I HAD ENOUGH PEOPLE TO DO ALL THOSE THINGS.

BUT WHAT HAPPENS ON NEW YEAR'S EVE? IT'S A PARTY NIGHT AND EVERYBODY'S IT'S LIKE THE THE PERMISSION TO, YOU KNOW, DRINK IN EXCESS AND DRIVE AND DO ALL THESE THINGS THAT WE, WE HAVE TO STAY ON TOP OF.

AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO THEN MOVE STAFF TO WORK THOSE THINGS.

SO THEN THE SHIFT THAT'S WORKING CAN CONTINUE TO WORK CALLS FOR SERVICE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

SO IT HAS MORE TO DO WITH NOT HAVING ENOUGH TO DO DO IT ALL.

AND THE SAME THING, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE SPEAK ABOUT SPECIAL EVENTS, IF YOU HAVE SIX EVENTS AT THE SAME DAY, YOU JUST RUN OUT OF PEOPLE, RIGHT? AND WE'D RUN OUT OF ROADS AND WE RUN OUT OF THESE OTHER THINGS.

SO WHAT I SAW AND I WORKED BOTH OF THEM. I WORKED NEW YEAR'S EVE WITH MY GUYS AND GALS AND I WORKED FIREWORKS WITH THEM.

AND WHAT I SAW ON, ON THE, ON THE FIREWORKS IN PARTICULAR IS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE ALL THESE FOLKS FROM OUTSIDE THE CITY AND THE COUNTY.

IT WAS A VERY LOCAL THING. IT WAS VERY FAMILY ORIENTATED WHERE I HAVE SEEN IT IN THE PAST, WHERE IT SEEMS TO BE A CELEBRATION FOR ALL OF SOUTH FLORIDA AND IN THE EAST COAST AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

AND THE ISSUE WITH THAT IS NOT THE WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM.

IT'S JUST THAT WE DON'T HAVE THE STAFF TO HANDLE ALL OF IT.

SO FOR US, IT'S A STAFFING ISSUE MORE THAN ANYTHING BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO COVER EVERYTHING, RIGHT. AND SO WE STILL STAND THAT IF WE, WE'RE ABLE TO SEPARATE THEM, IT'S EASIER FOR US IF WE DO IT ALL THE SAME DAY.

WE ARE VERY LIMITED IN OUR RESOURCE ALLOCATION PROCESS AND STAFFING.

THANKS, CHIEF. I THAT WAS PROBABLY HELPFUL FOR THE FOR THE NEW GUYS UP HERE TO, TO, TO HEAR FROM YOU ON THAT ON THIS ISSUE.

SO I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. I'VE GOT ONE. I MEAN, SINCE 4TH OF JULY, A LOT OF PEOPLE FROM THE COUNTY ARE COMING TO THAT EVENT. I MEAN, IT'S I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PERCENTAGE COULD BE 60%.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE NUMBER IS, BUT, BUT IS THERE A COORDINATION AGREEMENT WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND THE COUNTY TO HELP PROTECT THAT EVENT AND, AND USE THOSE RESOURCES SINCE THEY'RE PARTICIPATING IN THAT? YEAH. YES. THERE IS A COORDINATION EFFORT. AND I THINK THE CHIEF WILL ELABORATE ON THAT.

SIT BACK THERE FOR A WHILE. SARA DOMINGUEZ, CHIEF OF POLICE.

YES, SIR. AS A MATTER OF FACT, ON EVERY ONE OF THESE LARGER SPECIAL EVENTS THAT WE HAVE OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS SUCH THAT THEY AUGMENT OUR, OUR EFFORTS. A A FIREWORKS DETAIL. THE ISSUE SOMETIMES IS THAT PEOPLE DON'T REALLY GRASP THE DEPTH OF ONE OF THOSE EVENTS. SO, AND I'LL HIT IT REAL QUICK BECAUSE I KNOW WE'RE PRESSED FOR TIME.

YOU HAVE THE DETAIL ITSELF, RIGHT? SO YOU HAVE THE LENGTH OF THE BEACH.

SO WE HAVE OFFICERS EVERY TWO BLOCKS THAT THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.

BECAUSE REMEMBER WHEN THAT GETS FULL WITH CARS, THE 41 B ENDS.

IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO MOVE BACK AND FORTH AND INCLUDING THE FIRE DEPARTMENT'S INVOLVED IN THIS AS WELL.

AND SO WE HAVE THAT FIRST FRONT THAT'S ALONG THE BEACH.

SO STAFF IS THERE. THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE BOATS OUT.

SO WE HAVE SUPPORT FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, OUR TWO BOATS, THEIR BOATS FISHING AND FISH AND WILDLIFE.

WE HAVE ALL THESE EXTRA 6 OR 7 BOATS THAT ARE THAT ARE GRATIS.

THEY'RE WORKING WITH US AND WE PUT OFFICERS ON THOSE BOATS AS WELL.

BECAUSE IF SOMETHING HAPPENS ON THE BEACH, WE CAN'T REALLY GET THERE FROM HERE.

SO YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A WATERBORNE RESPONSE.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE A RESPONSE FROM THE STREET, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO COVER THE REST OF THE CITY WITH THAT.

THEY ALSO SUPPLY HELICOPTER FOR OVERWATCH, WHICH RUNS ABOUT $1,000 AN HOUR TO RUN A HELICOPTER.

AND SO WE COVER THAT ENTIRE BEACH FROM END TO END, BOTH THE WATER SIDE, THE LAND SIDE, AND THEN THE ADJACENT STREET COVER SIDE, PLUS RUN THE REST OF THE CITY. AND THAT'S WHERE THE MANPOWER DRAW COMES FROM.

I'M JUST GOING TO SIT DOWN. YES. KRAMER, JUST REAL QUICK FOR COUNCIL MEMBER KROL TWICE YOU SAID 4TH OF JULY.

DID YOU? DID YOU MEAN FOR JULY? WE'RE TALKING HERE ABOUT NEW YEAR'S.

NEW YEAR'S. OKAY. WELL, YEAH, I WAS GOING TO SAY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE HAD TALKED ABOUT LAST COUNCIL WAS WE WANTED THE NEW YEAR'S, WHICH WE ARE CHIEF OF POLICE, TOLD US IS UNSAFE TO BECOME MORE LIKE 4TH OF JULY TO WHERE IT'S MORE FAMILY FRIENDLY AND THERE'S LESS,

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IT'S AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT DYNAMIC. AND AND SO WE, WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION.

AND, AND, AND SO I THINK THIS EFFORT'S BEEN GOOD IF WE HAVE MOSTLY LOCALS, COUNTY AND CITY.

AND THAT'S WHO WE'RE SERVING. CITY IN PARTICULAR WHO VOTES FOR US.

I KNOW THERE'S A HANDFUL OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE THAT HOUSES ARE ALONG THE ARE CLOSE ENOUGH.

THEY CAN JUST SIT ON THEIR BACK PORCH. I MEAN, THAT'S AND THAT'S FOLKS WHO I HEAR FROM THAT.

WHY CAN'T WE HAVE IT ON THE 31ST? WELL, BECAUSE FOR THE REST OF US, WE HAVE TO TRAVEL THROUGH AND.

AND IT MATTERS HOW WE GET TO AND FROM AND WHO ELSE IS INVOLVED IN THE ACTIVITY. SO AGAIN, WE'RE DEFERRING TO THE EXPERT.

I'M GOING TO DO WHAT YOU TELL ME IS BEST FOR THE HEALTH AND SAFETY OF OUR CITIZENS, WHICH IS KEEP IT AS IT IS, AS IT WAS THIS LAST YEAR. SO THANK YOU, CHIEF.

ONE MORE THING I'D LIKE TO ADD FOR CLARITY IS ALSO REMEMBER ON THE 31ST, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS ALSO WORKING SIMILAR NEW YEAR'S EVE EVENTS VERSUS ON THE FIREWORKS DAY. THEY, THEY SHIFT OVER THEIR RESOURCES TO US.

THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF IT. AND I DON'T, I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THIS YEAR BY YEAR BECAUSE EVENTUALLY WHEN WE ADD RESOURCES AND WE ADD STAFF, SORRY, GARY. AND WE GET TO THE RIGHT NUMBER OF STAFF THAT WE COULD DO MORE.

BUT IT'S, IT'S NOT TRUE THAT YOU COULD DO MORE WITH LESS.

YOU KNOW, YOU JUST DO LESS WITH LESS. AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT.

SO, SO IF IF, SAY A MAGICAL NUMBER, I'M NOT PROPOSING A NUMBER OF PEOPLE, BUT IF I HAD AN EXTRA 15 PEOPLE, THAT'S AN ENTIRE UNIT THAT WOULD BE DEPLOYED JUST TO THIS.

BUT YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT.

SO WE HAVE TO KIND OF WORK WHAT WE CAN. WE. AND THAT'S THAT'S THE STRATEGY ON BEING ABLE TO SEPARATE IT.

SO WOULD THAT BE A SPECIAL OPERATION? YOU KNOW THAT YOU DON'T NEED 365 DAYS OF THE YEAR.

KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING IS, IF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAD AN EXTRA 15 ALLOWING ALLOWED POSITION FULL TIME OFFICERS, THAT'S A SQUAD, RIGHT? SO THAT EXTRA 15 WOULD JUST WORK.

AFTER HOURS ISSUES WITH NEW YEAR'S EVE BECAUSE ABOUT HOW MANY EXTRA PEOPLE WE PUT OUT.

BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THOSE FOLKS REMEMBER THEY'RE WORKING 12 HOUR SHIFTS, RIGHT? SO IF YOU WORK TO 6:00 TO 6:00 AND THERE'S A 3:00 TO 3:00, AND THEN THERE'S AN OVERLAP 6 TO 6 IN THE AFTERNOON TO EVENING.

WHAT HAPPENS BETWEEN THE FIREWORKS? AND THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE EXTRA JOBS TO DO.

RIGHT. AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU CAN'T WORK FROM 6 TO 6 AND THEN ALSO WORK LATER THAT EVENING FROM 8 TO 4 IN THE MORNING.

THAT'S JUST A IT'S NOT SAFE AND B, IT'S JUST IT'S JUST TOO MUCH.

SO IT'S ABOUT HAVING THE FLEXIBILITY OF NUMBERS OF STAFF TO DO THINGS.

I WOULD USE IT'S A CAPACITY THING, JUST LIKE THIS ROOM HAS A NUMBER OF CAPACITY.

FOR SIZE OR RESTAURANT HAS CAPACITY FOR SIZE.

WELL, WE HAVE A CAPACITY FOR HOW MANY EVENTS WE CAN HANDLE BASED ON CALLS, RESOURCES AND TRENDS THAT WE KNOW OF, RIGHT? SO WE KNOW WHEN WE HAVE A FIREWORKS DETAIL, WHAT WAS THE NUMBER 18,000, 18,000 PEOPLE? NOW IF YOU THINK THERE'S 18,000 PEOPLE AND THAT'S ON ON AN OFF NIGHT, RIGHT.

YOU'RE NOT NEW YEAR'S EVE, BUT THE DAY TWO DAYS LATER, 18,000 PEOPLE.

AND WHAT DID WE SAY? LIVE IN THE CITY. ARE THEY ALL COMING FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS? NO, THEY'RE ALL COMING FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE, WHICH MEANS THEY HAVE TO TRAVERSE SOMEWHERE ELSE. SO WE HAVE TRAFFIC ISSUES, CONGESTION ISSUES. ONE WAS IT 4TH OF JULY? WE THE ONE BEFORE WE HAD A STABBING.

NONE OF THESE PEOPLE WERE LOCALS, RIGHT? MOST OF THE PEOPLE WE ARREST ARE NOT.

NOT EVEN COLLIER RESIDENTS. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE RESOURCES AVAILABLE OR SOMEONE'S NOT COMING.

AND THAT'S ONE OF OUR BIGGEST CONCERNS, IS NOT HAVING ANYBODY AVAILABLE TO GO TO A CALL BECAUSE THEY'RE TIED UP WITH THIS OR TIED UP WITH THAT.

AND I CAN GIVE YOU ANECDOTAL STORIES BECAUSE, FOR EXAMPLE, THE TWO NEW YEARS AGO, THERE WAS A ACTIVE SHOOTER AT PORT OF THE ISLES.

WE SENT OFFICERS OVER TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE BECAUSE WE HAVE A WE COMBINE OUR SWAT RESOURCES TO GO RENDER THAT.

YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY ON THE SHELF TO RESPOND TO THINGS THAT ARE NOT PROTRACTED, OUT, NOT PLANNED FOR. AND SO WHAT HAPPENS IS IF WE PUT EVERYBODY OUT, THERE'S NOBODY FOR THE NEXT DAY ON SHIFT WORK.

BECAUSE REMEMBER, WE'RE 24 HOURS, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK OPERATION.

THERE'S NO THERE'S NO REALLY NOT WE DON'T CLOSE THE DOORS EVER.

AND SO WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT STAFF AVAILABLE TO HIT ALL THOSE THINGS.

AND THE MAGIC NUMBER WE I'M JUST FALLING. I'M JUST BALLPARKING IT IS, LET'S SAY 15.

I'M SORRY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. AND WE'RE NOT DOING THAT ANYTIME SOON BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO BE RESPONSIBLE AS WE ADD STAFF.

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I DON'T SEE THE CITY GROWING ANY MORE AS FAR AS LAND MASS, BUT WE'RE BUILT OUT.

BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THESE EVENTS. YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO STAFF FOR THEM, AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS. YOU KNOW, IF YOU BUILD IT, IF YOU BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME.

IF YOU HAVE A FIREWORKS, THEY WILL COME. OKAY.

THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. RIGHT? AND I, MAYBE I, YOU MISUNDERSTOOD ME IN THE FACT THAT IF DO WE NEED TO HAVE A SPECIAL EVENTS SEPARATE TEAM INSTEAD OF HAVING TO ADD, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU NEED.

I'M NOT SURE. SO TO GET SOME CLARITY ON YOUR QUESTION, A SEPARATE A SEPARATE TEAM AS MORE BODIES.

WELL, YOU SAID BECAUSE MORE BECAUSE THAT'S A, THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT TOPIC.

WE HAVE A TEAM THAT'S CALLED SPECIAL INCIDENT MANAGEMENT UNIT. THEY, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT PLAN ALL THE EVENTS AND, I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT LATER, BUT IT'S. MORE PEOPLE TO COVER CALLS AND HANDLE THESE EVENTS IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET AT THAT WE DO NOT HAVE. WE ARE OUT OF TROOPS NOW. IN THE FUTURE.

ONE DAY WE. WE HOPE TO ADD INCREMENTALLY, RESPONSIBLY OR NOT TO BREAK THE BUDGET AND EVENTUALLY WE'LL GET TO THE RIGHT SIZE NUMBER.

SO MY. AND I'M SORRY WHEN I SAY THIS, BUT WHEN I LEFT HERE IN 1982, WE HAD 90 POLICE OFFICERS, 90. I GOT 78. TODAY WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE, MORE CARS, MORE SPECIAL EVENTS.

WE ADD MORE PEOPLE, RIGHT? YEAH. SO THAT'S MY CLARIFICATION.

WAS 15 MORE PEOPLE YOU NEED FOR EVERY DAY, NOT JUST SPECIAL EVENTS.

NO, THAT WOULD THEN COVER EVERY DAY BECAUSE WE HAVE LIKE A, YOU KNOW, AND I CAN GO THROUGH DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT WE HAVE UNITS THAT ARE LIKE OUR TRAFFIC UNIT IS TWO AND A HALF PEOPLE, RIGHT? WE HAVE TWO BOATS, 48MI² OF NAUTICAL MILES. WE HAVE A LOT OF STUFF AND NOT A LOT OF GUYS AND GALS TO DO IT ALL. SO THEY WEAR SEVERAL HATS. RIGHT. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING.

THANK YOU. MR. MERRITT, AS FAR AS YOU SAID, 18,000 WERE THIS YEAR FOR THE FIREWORKS.

DO YOU HAVE JUST FOR FUTURE EVENTS, AS CHIEF WAS SAYING? BECAUSE WE MIGHT WANT TO DO SOME ANALYSIS ON THE PAST YEAR'S EVENTS.

SAY FIVE YEARS BACK TO LOOK AT THOSE FIGURES AND THEN TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION OF WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO ANALYZE THIS ON A YEARLY BASIS.

AS AS CHIEF SAID, WE MAY NOT WANT TO JUST DO THIS EVERY YEAR, BUT TO ANALYZE IT.

YEAH, SO WE'VE GOT SOME ESTIMATES, BUT IT'S SO HARD TO KEEP TRACK BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT NINE MILES OF BEACH AND YOU'VE GOT 40 BEACH ACCESSES AND PEOPLE SPAN ALL THROUGH. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE CROWD THAT WE SAW ON JANUARY 3RD, MUCH SMALLER THAN WHAT YOU WOULD SEE IN YEARS PAST SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE WHEN WE HAD THE NEW YEAR'S EVE FIREWORKS.

I'M USED TO SEEING. WHEN YOU LOOK DOWN THE BEACH, YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE SAND BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE.

THIS WAS A LITTLE MORE INTIMATE, MEANING YOU COULD ACTUALLY SEE THE GROUPS OF PEOPLE KIND OF SPREAD OUT.

AND THAT'S, THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE. AND 18,000 WAS AN ESTIMATE BECAUSE WE KNEW TYPICALLY WE ESTIMATE 2020 5000 PLUS AT THESE SHOWS.

WE KNEW IT WAS NOT THAT. SO 18,000 WAS A A ROUNDED NUMBER THAT WE FELT THAT WE REACHED.

YEAH. IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE GOOD DATA ON THAT.

I KNOW WE CAN DO THAT WITH OUR UNITS THAT TELL THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN TO THE CITY.

MAYBE WE DO SOME DATA DRIVEN, INFORMATION. YEAH.

OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ONE QUICK QUESTION.

YES. IN THE IN THE BOTH THE 4TH OF JULY AND NEW YEAR'S EVE, WHAT DID THE COUNTY PROVIDE AS SUPPORT IN THOSE EVENTS? LIKE HOW MANY OFFICERS AND IN GENERAL AND ON MOST OF THESE SPECIAL EVENTS, THE COUNTY IN DEPENDING ON, ON, ON THE EVENT. BUT IN GENERAL, LET'S SAY JUST FOR FIREWORKS DETAILS, THEY USUALLY PROVIDE THEY AUGMENT OUR, OUR SPECIAL RESPONSE SWAT TEAM. THEY USUALLY THEY ALWAYS PROVIDE A HELICOPTER WITH STAFF ON BOARD THE HELICOPTER IN CASE WE NEED TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING QUICKLY. AND IT'S USUALLY ANOTHER 20 PLUS DEPUTIES AND, AND SEVERAL CIVILIAN WHAT THEY CALL COMMUNITY SERVICE AIDES THAT ARE THERE. THEY'RE NOT OFFICERS, BUT THEY'RE CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES THAT CAN DIRECT TRAFFIC AND HOLD THE POST AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO USUALLY THE THE ASSETS IN TOTAL 25 TO 30.

OKAY, GREAT. AND BY THE WAY, ONE OF THE BIGGEST ASSETS THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE TO US ON THIS ALSO IS THE FACT THAT

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WELL, THERE'S SO MANY BOATS OUT THERE. SO IF IT WASN'T FOR FWC AND AND, AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, OUR BOATS WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO. AND THERE'S ALWAYS PEOPLE, BOATS AND FIREWORKS AND DRINKING IS A THING, RIGHT? AND SO WE STAY OUT THERE AND THAT PRESENCE OUT THERE WHERE THEY SEE POLICE BOATS AND YOU'LL SEE OUR BOATS, OUR LIGHTS ARE ON IN ORDER TO KEEP EVERYBODY KIND OF, YOU KNOW, CALMER ON THE WATER AND IN AND OUT.

AND THAT'S, THAT'S A BIG BIG COMMITMENT BY THEM BECAUSE THAT MEANS THAT THEIR BOATS ARE NOT WHERE THEY NEED TO BE FOR THEM.

RIGHT? SO THEY'RE HELPING US OUT. AND SOMETIMES MARCO WILL HELP A LITTLE BIT TOO, AND THEY'LL COME OVER BY KEEWAYDIN.

SO. SO THAT PART IS COVERED. OKAY. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

THE DIRECTION THAT IS NEEDED. YES, MA'AM. SO WE WOULD JUST NEED TO KNOW.

FIRST OFF, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE HAVING FIREWORKS AROUND NEW YEAR'S.

AND IF SO, ARE WE GOING TO DO IT ON THE I CALL IT THE FIRST SATURDAY AFTER NEW YEAR'S, BUT OR ARE WE GOING BACK TO NEW YEAR'S EVE? SO THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST THING THAT I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW.

WE WILL TAKE A VOTE, BUT I HEARD A MAJORITY SAY THAT THE NOT DOING IT ON NEW YEAR'S EVE WAS THE DIRECTION.

NEXT YEAR, IF YOU, IF YOU'RE GOING TO LOOK AT IT ON A YEARLY BASIS, RIGHT.

WE'RE LOOKING AT NEW YEAR'S EVE IS FRIDAY, SO THE FIREWORKS WOULD BE SATURDAY.

OKAY. THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S THE FIRST SATURDAY.

YES, SIR. THAT WOULD THAT WOULD WORK FOR US. AND, AND LIKE, I, I DO THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT THIS EVERY YEAR AND SEE WHERE OUR, OUR STAFFING STRENGTH IS. AND WE ALSO HAVE TO FRIDAY, THURSDAY, NEW YEAR'S EVE IS THURSDAY, NEW YEAR'S DAY IS FRIDAY. SO THE FIREWORKS WOULD BE SECOND.

YEAH, THAT WORKS. AND I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT IT EVERY YEAR BASED ON WHAT STAFFING IS.

AND WE ALSO HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE WORLD.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A MAJOR MILITARY ENGAGEMENT AND ALL THOSE THINGS FACTOR INTO LOCAL EVENTS AS WELL.

OKAY. OKAY. DO I HAVE ANY OTHER FEEDBACK COMMENTS? I'LL JUST GET A MOTION. NO, I WOULD ONLY, I WOULD ONLY SAY THAT IN APPRECIATION OF THE CHIEF'S COMMENTS, YOU KNOW, WE CONTINUE TO ALWAYS EVALUATE STAFF AND WE HAVE INCREASED POLICE DEPARTMENT IN THE LAST TWO YEARS WHEN YOU INCREASE THE BUDGET.

SO I'LL LEAVE THAT CONVERSATION FOR CONTINUED DISCUSSIONS EVERY BUDGET CYCLE.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. I DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ON THIS ITEM.

SO JUST FURTHER THOUGH, MAYOR, WERE WE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IF WE WANT TO EXPAND THE FIREWORKS OR HAVE THAT PART OF THIS CONVERSATION TOO? YEAH, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO AND I CAN DO THIS WHEN I SET THE THE BID UP, I CAN DO IT AS AN OPTIONAL THING OF HERE'S THE CURRENT SHOW, HERE'S AN ENHANCED VERSION, AND WE CAN BID IT OUT THAT WAY.

THAT WOULD BE. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF THE BEST OPTION BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN UTILIZING THE SAME CONTRACT.

UNLESS I'M MISTAKEN, THE JULY 4TH IS THE LAST ONE UNDERNEATH THIS UMBRELLA.

SO WE'LL BE GOING OUT WITH THAT RFP SOON. AND THEN WHEN WE COME BACK TO YOU FOR THAT AWARD, I THINK JUST GIVING YOU SOME SOME VARIATION THAT YOU CAN CHOOSE WOULD BE WOULD THAT BE THE BEST SCENARIO? OKAY. OKAY. WITH THAT. DO I HAVE A MOTION? YEAH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION.

MAKE A MOTION TO CONTINUE. MOVING THE NEW YEAR'S EVE FIREWORKS WHICH WILL BE HELD ON THE 2ND OF JANUARY.

SATURDAY THE SECOND. BUT I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT IT COULD BE EVALUATED THE FOLLOWING YEARS.

AND IN PARTICULAR, SINCE THE PIER IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION, I THINK THIS IS A SMART MOVE TO DO IT ON A, ON A NOT ON A PEAK DAY AND GIVEN OUR STAFFING AND WHATNOT, WHAT WAS SAID.

SO. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARTER, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN.

ALL IN FAVOR SIGNED BY I OPPOSED. OKAY. COUNCIL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU. WE'RE MOVING TO ITEM 14 D. THANK YOU MAYOR.

[14.D) A Presentation and Discussion Regarding the Special Event Permit Process, Security, and Usage of Public Space for Special Event Purposes.]

BUT I'M GOING TO KIND OF SET THE TABLE FOR THIS A LITTLE BIT.

THIS WE'RE NOT TRYING TO MAKE THIS THE FINAL DISCUSSION ON ALL SPECIAL EVENTS, BUT WE HAVE SOME VERY BIG DECISIONS AND HEAVY LIFTS AS IT

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SO THERE'S SOME DECISION POINTS IN THIS PRESENTATION AS CHAD AND SARAH GO THROUGH THE PRESENTATION, BUT I WANTED TO KIND OF FORESHADOW THEM FOR YOU A LITTLE BIT AND JUST KIND OF WHAT THE WAY I HOPE THE CONVERSATION GOES.

SO AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE YOU KNOW, DOZENS UPON DOZENS OF EVENTS OF VARIOUS SIZES IN OUR PARKS AND FACILITIES AND SOMETIMES THEY COMPETE WITH ONE ANOTHER.

IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE HAVE CAMBIER PARK, WHICH IS WHERE THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF THEM.

AND SO WE HAD DISCUSSIONS LAST MAY ABOUT POTENTIALLY PUTTING BILLIARDS OUT TO SECURE THE PARK.

AND AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING READY TO, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY HAVE WE HAVE $2 MILLION IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET TO REPLACE THE PLAYGROUND.

AND SO THE CONVERSATION IS ONE IS WE KNOW IN TODAY'S WORLD THERE ARE VEHICLE.

VEHICLES BEING USED AS, AS KILLING DEVICES IN COMMUNITIES, BOTH IN PARADES AND IN PARKS AND OTHER GATHERING PLACES.

IN ADDITION TO THAT WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO, TO PROVIDE THE SAFETY FOR THESE FACILITIES.

SO WHEN I LOOK AT THIS, I THINK THAT IT'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A SERIES OF QUESTIONS.

THE FIRST ONE BEING IS CAMBIER PARK. DO WE WANT TO HAVE A PERMANENT SOLUTION TO CAMBIER PARK? BECAUSE EVERYTHING BEGINS WITH THAT AS THE FOUNDATION AND THE MAIN SPECIAL EVENT FACILITY IN, IN, IN OUR SYSTEM. AND FROM THERE, IF WE DON'T SECURE IT, IT HAS A RIPPLE EFFECT OUTWARD.

AND THAT OUTWARD EFFECT IS, IS WHERE THEN WE'RE CLOSING MORE STREETS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

SO FOR ME, THE QUESTION ONE IS, IS IF WE CAN GET TO IT EVENTUALLY, IS DO WE BELIEVE WE SHOULD DO SOME SORT OF PERMANENT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT TO THE PARK TO PROVIDE PERMANENT SAFETY WITHIN THE PARK AREA? THE NEXT PART OF THAT IS, IS WE HAVE OPERATIONAL EVENTS THAT HAPPEN ON THIRD STREET FIFTH AVENUE.

AND SO WE HAVE A TEMPORARY PORTABLE ARCHER SYSTEM THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING.

THE KEY TO THAT IS IDENTIFYING, WELL, HOW MUCH DO WE NEED FOR CAMBIAR BECAUSE A CAPITAL INVESTMENT MAY TAKE 8 TO 10 MONTHS TO PUT IN, BUT THE ACQUISITION OF PORTABLE ARCHERS POTENTIALLY ALLOWS US TO ACCOMMODATE THAT AREA AS WELL AS HAVE THEM ALREADY IN-HOUSE FOR THIRD AND FIFTH.

SO THOSE ARE THE REASON. AND WHEN YOU'RE DONE, YOU'LL SEE IN THE PRESENTATION THERE'S TWICE AS MUCH THAT IS NEEDED TO TO SECURE ON A TEMPORARY BASIS. CAMBIAR AS OPPOSED TO THIRD AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

SO THIS IS GOING TO END UP A COMBINATION OF CAPITAL INVESTMENT EQUIPMENT PURCHASE AND THEN ALSO ENDING IN HOW MANY, HOW MANY IS THE FREQUENCY HOPEFULLY OF THE EVENTS.

BUT I JUST WANTED TO FORESHADOW A LITTLE BIT.

AND WE HAVE A SLIDE AT EACH ONE OF THESE PLACES AS A DECISION POINT TO SAY, WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO GOING FORWARD? SO IT IS ABOUT SAFETY. IT IS ABOUT OUR OUR, OUR HISTORY IN BEING AN EVENT CENTER FOR COLLIER COUNTY AND A NUMBER OF PLACES. BUT HOW DO WE DO IT IN THE APPROPRIATE WAY UTILIZING THE, THE APPROPRIATE CAPITAL INVESTMENT IS PERMANENT.

AND THEN ALSO, WHAT DO WE NEED TO BOLSTER ON A TEMPORARY BASIS? AND THAT WE'RE NOT THROWING ANY GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD AS AS WE COME TO THESE DECISIONS.

SO WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO CHAD AND CIRO AND LET THEM GO FROM THERE.

SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU. YES. GOOD AFTERNOON AGAIN.

CHAD MERRITT COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR SO I KIND OF.

START OFF BY TRYING TO GIVE A BRIEF, BRIEF HISTORY AS I CAN BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAVE SOME NEW.

COUNCIL. MEMBERS. AND, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THEY UNDERSTAND KIND OF THE PROCESS.

WE HAVE A SPECIAL EVENT COMMITTEE THAT WAS ESTABLISHED IN 2022 THAT IS COMPRISED OF MULTIPLE PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.

I KIND OF LISTED THE NAMES HERE. THERE ARE OTHERS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED AND THAT COME IN AND OUT.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I DON'T LEAVE THEM ALL OUT, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE AND A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS THAT TAKE PLACE THAT WHEN WE GO THROUGH A PROCESS OF EVALUATING AN APPLICATION.

SO WHAT IS A SPECIAL EVENT? IT'S AN ANY ORGANIZED PUBLIC OR PRIVATE ACTIVITIES HELD OR CONDUCTED ON A TEMPORARY BASIS, WHICH ARE APART FROM OR IN ADDITION TO ACTIVITIES AND USES NORMALLY ASSOCIATED WITH AND PERMITTED AT A SPECIFIC LOCATION.

HERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF WHAT WE CONSIDER A SPECIAL EVENT THAT INCLUDES AIR SHOWS, ART SHOWS, RUNNING EVENTS, WALKING EVENTS, CARNIVALS, CONCERTS, FESTIVALS, FIREWORKS, PARADES MUSICAL PRESENTATIONS, TRIATHLONS, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALL SORTS OF NEW STUFF THAT COMES OUT.

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SO AT THAT POINT, MOVING INTO THAT, THE PROCESS IS THEY SAY, I'D LIKE TO DO A SPECIAL EVENT.

THEY FILL OUT AN APPLICATION. HERE'S WHERE THE APPLICATION IS AT.

THEY SUBMIT THE APPLICATION. CURRENTLY, WE HAVE IN PLACE THAT IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT REQUIRES CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL IN ORDER FOR US TO GET THROUGH THE PROCESSES OF ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE THAT YOU SAW IN THE FIRST SLIDE, BEING ABLE TO LOOK THROUGH AND SAY, YES, THIS IS GOOD, THIS IS GOOD. THIS IS NOT GOOD.

GOT TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. AND WE'RE CONSTANTLY WORKING WITH THESE ORGANIZERS.

AND IT'S NOT JUST ONE APPLICATION. THERE ARE A LOT OF APPLICATIONS COMING IN.

SO 120 DAYS FOR CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL. IF IT DOESN'T REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL, WHICH I'LL TALK ABOUT, THAT ITEM HERE IN A SECOND, 90 DAYS IS WHAT'S AN ADMIN APPROVAL? SO THEN AT THAT POINT, ONCE IT GOES, SHE LOOKS AT IT, SHE SUBMITS IT FOR REVIEW.

IT GOES TO EACH ONE OF IT GOES INTO A FOLDER WHERE THE DEPARTMENTS REVIEW IT.

THEN WE COME TOGETHER AS A TEAM FROM THE SPECIAL EVENT COMMITTEE, AND WE DISCUSS WHAT WE FEEL CHANGES IN CONCERNS, QUESTIONS, WHATEVER. AND A LOT OF TIMES, IF IT'S A LARGE SCALE EVENT, WE WE WILL INVITE THOSE ORGANIZERS IN, HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS IN PERSON TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS, THIS IS GREAT.

THIS NEEDS A LITTLE BIT OF ADJUSTMENT. AND THOSE ARE KIND OF THE CONVERSATIONS IN A NUTSHELL.

WHAT HAPPENS AT THAT POINT? WE SUBMIT THAT IT COMES TO YOU ALL.

IT COMES TO YOU ALL WITH CRITERIA OF THIS IS WHAT WE REQUIRE APPROVAL FROM CITY COUNCIL FOR THESE ITEMS. AND THEN WE GIVE YOU THE DETAILS EVERY TIME YOU SEE THAT BIG LONG LIST.

AND IF THERE'S ANY CONCERNS, WHAT WE'VE AGREED TO IS WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BRING IT BACK AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION.

IT BECOMES A DISCUSSION ITEM IN THIS AGENDA. SO CRITERIA REQUIRING CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL, ANY EVENT WITH THE STREET CLOSURE, ANY EVENT WITH OFF SITE PARKING, AMPLIFIED ENTERTAINMENT, CITY CO-SPONSOR, CROWD ATTENDANCE, OVER 1500 FIREWORKS AND AIR SHOWS THOSE ITEMS. IF YOU SUBMIT ME AN APPLICATION AND ONE OF THOSE COMPONENTS IS IN IT, IT COMES TO YOU ALL.

CURRENT CHALLENGES. SAFETY AND SECURITY CONCERNS.

THE NUMBER OF EVENTS AND PUBLIC SPACES PREVENTING REGULAR PUBLIC USE OF PARKS AND OPEN SPACES.

THE EVENTS LARGER THAN THE SPACE THEY'RE HELD IN.

INCREASING TRAFFIC IN SEASON. ILLEGAL PARKING.

INCONSISTENT LAYOUTS FROM ONE EVENT TO THE NEXT IN THE SAME LOCATION.

LATE APPLICATIONS. ORGANIZERS FOLLOWING THE PLAN.

MEANING OR NOT FOLLOWING THE PLAN. EVENT ORGANIZERS FORCING THEIR WAY THROUGH THE PROCESS.

ORGANIZERS PAYING ANY TIMELY MANNER AND IN EXCESSIVE USE OF ADDITIONAL IS EXCESSIVE USE OF CITY RESOURCES, WHETHER THAT'S STAFF, PARKS, FACILITIES. ET CETERA.

SO WE'RE GOING TO START OUT WITH THE SAFETY AND SECURITY CONCERNS.

SO I WILL LET CHIEF CONTINUE ON. SARA DOMINGUEZ, CHIEF OF POLICE ONE OF THE THINGS WE HOPE TO CONVEY AND SHARE WITH YOU TODAY IS SOME OF THE LESSONS LEARNED BOTH NATIONALLY AND EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY IN OPEN AIR EVENTS AND, AND ALSO THINGS THAT WE'VE LEARNED FROM OUR EVENTS HERE, BECAUSE THEY ALL HAVE THEIR UNIQUE FOOTPRINT.

AND THEN HOW DO WE TAKE WHAT WE'VE LEARNED, WHAT'S HAPPENED AROUND THE COUNTRY AND INTERNATIONALLY? LOOK AT THE FOOTPRINTS THAT WE OPERATE UNDER THOSE ENVIRONMENTS, AND HOW DO WE TAKE THOSE BEST PRACTICES AND ADJUST THEM, TAILOR THEM TO THE NAPLES EVENTS. AND THERE'S THREE SPECIFIC LOCATIONS THAT WE'RE SPEAKING OF.

SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE GOING TO LOOK AT, LET ME JUST GO BACK ONE.

AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT BOLLARDS AND WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT BARRICADE SYSTEMS AND, AND PERIMETER PARKING. AND WE'VE SPOKEN TO SOME OF YOU ON THIS TOPIC BEFORE, BUT THE WHOLE IDEA IS HOW DO WE MAKE THE PLACE ABSOLUTELY SAFE AS POSSIBLE WITHIN OUR ABILITIES. SO THEN ANYONE COMING SEES THIS HARDENED TARGET AND THAT SOME IN SOME FORM OR FASHION, IS A MITIGATOR. AND THEN WITH THAT, WE'RE ALSO PREPARED TO HANDLE THINGS AD HOC AS IT HAPPENS WITHIN THE EVENT.

AND THAT'S THE, THE STAFFING SIDE OF IT. AND, AND I KNOW WE HEAR THAT ALL THE TIME ABOUT HOW MUCH STAFF IS REQUIRED FOR THIS OR THAT.

AND AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO WHAT WE SAID EARLIER.

IT'S ALL THE PARAMETERS OF THE EVENT ARE IS THERE ALCOHOL INVOLVED? IS IT AN EVENT THAT HAS MUSIC AND DOES IT GO LATER INTO THE EVENING?

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AND AS YOU CAN SEE, THOSE YELLOW LINES THERE WILL NOT KEEP SOMEONE FROM DRIVING RIGHT THROUGH THERE AND HITTING A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE.

ACTUALLY, WHEN I WALKED BACK FROM THE OTHER SIDE AND THERE WERE THREE CARS PARKED THERE ALREADY, THE YELLOW LINES ARE JUST INVITATIONS TO PARK.

BUT WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS PEOPLE DRIVING THROUGH THERE. SO WHETHER IT'S A CHURCH EVENT, A CONCERT EVENT, OR JUST ANY DAY IN THE PARK WHERE SOMEONE'S WALKING AND PLAYING IN THERE, WE DO NEED TO HARDEN THAT.

NOT EVEN FOR THE SENSE OF, OF PREVENTING AN ATTACK, JUST THE FACT THAT IT'S WIDE OPEN AND PEOPLE DRIVE THROUGH THINGS ALL THE TIME, SOMETIMES ON PURPOSE, SOMETIMES YOU KNOW, THEY HIT THE GAS INSTEAD OF THE BRAKE.

THOSE THINGS HAPPEN. AND THE IDEA OF HAVING SOME KIND OF BOLLARD OR STOPPING VEHICLE SYSTEM THERE IS, IS PART AND PARCEL TO THIS, BUT YOU KNOW, AND WE DO, WE SAY SMALL TOWN TOWN CHARM ALL THE TIME, BUT WE, WE, WE AREN'T AS SMALL AS WE WANT TO BE BECAUSE EVERYBODY COMES HERE.

NAPLES IS INTERNATIONALLY KNOWN. AND I HEARD SOMEONE SAY THAT RECENTLY THAT THERE WAS A TIME THAT YOU HAD TO SAY NAPLES, ITALY. EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE NAPLES IS. WE HAVE UNITED STATES SENATORS HERE.

WE HAVE POLITICAL EVENTS HERE. WE HAVE ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT DRAWS PEOPLE TO NAPLES.

AND SO WITH THAT SAID, YET WE COULD MAINTAIN A SMALL TOWN CHARM, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A REAL WORLD PROTECTION SYSTEM IN PLACE.

AND SO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ADVOCATING. ACTIVE VIOLENCE CAN OCCUR ANYWHERE.

AND ALL YOU GOT TO DO IS EVERY WEEK THERE'S AN EVENT SOMEPLACE IN THIS COUNTRY AND, AND ACROSS THE WORLD.

AND AS I MENTIONED EARLIER TODAY, WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ACTUAL WAR AND THAT HAS EFFECTS ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

BUT WE HAVE CELEBRATIONS AND PARADES AND FESTIVALS AND GATHERINGS.

WE, WE HAVE TO PREPARE, WE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND COMMUNITY SERVICES, WE HAVE TO PREPARE FOR EVERYTHING FROM PEOPLE USING FIREARMS TO PEOPLE USING A VEHICLE TO TO HURT PEOPLE.

ONE OF THE REASONS, AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE HAVE OUR EXPLOSIVES DOGS IS WE, WE PREPARE FOR, FOR EXPLOSIVE DEVICES.

THEN YOU HAVE OTHER THINGS FROM KNIVES TO FIRES TO DRONES.

AND NOW WE HAVE THIS NEW CONCERN SINCE THE LEGISLATURE DECIDED TO PASS THE CARRY OF FIREARMS. ANYONE CAN WALK AROUND ANYWHERE, ANY PLACE WITH A CONCEALED WEAPON.

AND THERE'S NOT MUCH WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT BECAUSE THERE'S NOT EVEN A PERMIT PROCESS.

SO THEY CAN GO INTO ALL THESE PLACES. AND IN THAT SENSE, WE HAVE TO HAVE A REACTION READY RESPONSE.

SO AND SOME OF THESE OTHER THINGS COULD BE MITIGATED BY WHAT WE'RE ASKING YOU TO, TO CONSIDER.

BUT OPEN SPACES IN PARTICULAR ARE VERY VULNERABLE.

PARADES ARE VULNERABLE. ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE ARE ADVOCATING BEING ABLE TO CONTROL THE ROUTE OF PARADES IS THAT AT LEAST CONTAINS US TO BE ABLE TO KNOW WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE, AND WE HAVE A BETTER CROWD CONTROL SYSTEM IN CASE WE HAVE TO EVACUATE PEOPLE, BUT WE HAVE COMMUNITY GATHERINGS AND EVENTS, WHETHER IT BE CHURCHES IN THE PARK. BEING ABLE TO PROVIDE A PERIMETER OF SECURITY ENHANCES THEIR SAFETY.

JUST BECAUSE AND I KNOW WE'VE ALL HEARD THE SAYING, FENCES MAKE GOOD NEIGHBORS, RIGHT? WE ALL HAVE LOCKS ON OUR ON OUR DOORS AND OUR HOME.

NOT NOT TO KEEP THE PEOPLE IN. DO WE? THAT'S THIS IS WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM.

SO BUT WE CAN DO THIS IN A NICE WAY. IT COULD BE WELCOMING.

IT DOESN'T HAVE TO LOOK LIKE THE THE BRANDENBURG GATE.

RIGHT. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT LET ME GO BACK ONE.

SO YOU SEE THOSE ARE THOSE NICE LITTLE PLANTERS.

WE CAN BE DECORATIVE AND WE'LL GET MORE INTO THAT.

BUT THE WHOLE IDEA IS WITH THESE COMBINATIONS OF, OF BARRIERS AND BARRICADES, WE MAKE SOMETHING THAT WAS ONCE VULNERABLE, DEFENDABLE. THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE HEAR FROM PROMOTERS, EVENT ORGANIZERS THAT WE WON'T BUDGE ON.

AND THAT'S IF WE, IF WE USE OUR MATRIX. AND I'VE EXPLAINED TO SOME OF YOU GUYS AND WE CAN SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT IT IN PERSON, BUT WE HAVE A MATRIX THAT IS THAT WE IN THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE USE.

IT'S. IT'S ON A NATIONAL STANDARD OF. IF AN EVENT HAS THIS.

THIS REQUIRES THIS MANY PEOPLE. AN EVENT HAS THIS. IT REQUIRES AS MANY PEOPLE.

ONE OF THE REASONS WE HAVE TO ADD PEOPLE TO SOME EVENTS IS BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MAN CHECKPOINTS, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO PUT A CAR THERE OR A TRUCK THERE AND TO INCLUDE.

MOST RECENTLY, WE USE, YOU KNOW, WATER TRUCKS, GARBAGE TRUCKS AND DUMP TRUCKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

BUT THAT HAS TO COME WITH A BODY, YOU KNOW, NOW YOU'RE SPENDING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE RISKING A $600 WATER TRUCK AND THE HOURLY RATE OF THAT INDIVIDUAL THAT HAS TO MOVE THE TRUCK OR THE INVESTMENT ON, ON A, ON A, ON A BARRICADE IS GOING TO COME OUT IN THE LONG RUN, A BETTER RETURN ON YOUR INVESTMENT. WE, YOU KNOW, AS WE MENTIONED THERE, AND I WOULDN'T READ THE SLIDES TO YOU,

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BUT WE CAN DO IS MAKE IT VERY HARD FOR THOSE THINGS TO MATERIALIZE, OR AT LEAST PICK UP TRACTION.

AND THAT'S WHERE WE'RE COMING FROM. SOME OF THE SAFETY CONCERNS AND WE, WE HAVE SOME PICTURES HERE.

LOOK AT THE, THE CROWDING AREA THERE. AND WE DO PRACTICE WITH BARRICADES NOW AND BOLLARDS BECAUSE WE HAVE IN FRONT OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, WE HAVE THEM IN FRONT OF A COUPLE OF PLACES, IF YOU NOTICE ALL THROUGHOUT THE CITY.

SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THE CITY HASN'T INVESTED IN THE PAST.

WE JUST HAVEN'T DONE IT. AND IN CAMBIER PARK, BECAUSE CAMBIER PARK IS A OLDER PARK AND IT HASN'T BEEN UPGRADED TO THESE TYPE OF THINGS, BUT IF YOU NOTICE ALL THE PARKING GARAGES HAVE BOLLARDS AROUND THEM, RIGHT? THEY DO. AND CAMBRIA PARK IS DESIGNED IN A WAY THAT IT'D BE VERY DIFFICULT FOR A CAR TO GET UP THE STEPS, RIGHT? AND ALL THE OTHER NATURAL BARRICADES THAT ARE THERE.

AND THEN THE TURNAROUND DOES HAVE BOLLARDS AND IT'S A ONE WAY IN, ONE WAY OUT.

SO IT'S EASIER FOR US TO CONTAIN THAT. GOOD ONE.

GO AHEAD. YEAH. SORRY TO INTERRUPT ON THIS SLIDE.

I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT WHEN WE LOOK AT DOING SOME OF THE THESE EVENTS, SOME OF OUR CONCERNS IS MPD HAS GOT TO BE ABLE TO PRE-APPROVE ALL OF THESE VEHICLE BARRICADES.

A LOT OF TIMES WHEN AN ORGANIZER COMES IN, THEY COME IN AND THEY, THEY SET THEM UP.

WE HAVE NO SAY IN IT. THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE EVENT STARTS AND WE LOOK AND WE SAY, HEY, WE'VE GOT SOME POTENTIAL THREATS.

ANOTHER ISSUE THAT WE HAVE IS WHEN WE ASK FOR A SITE PLAN, THEY PUT A SITE PLAN TOGETHER.

THEY'VE GOT 60 VENDORS. ALL OF A SUDDEN 80 VENDORS SHOW UP.

WELL, THAT THAT'S A HUGE CONCERN BECAUSE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEY HAVE TO DO INSPECTIONS.

SO THE MINUTE THAT THEY SHOW UP, ANTICIPATING THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE 60, AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THEY GOT 80 TO GO THROUGH, THAT'S A PROBLEM. SO HAVING TO SHUT THOSE DOWN IS ALSO SOMETHING THAT WE CONTINUOUSLY HAVE TO WORK THROUGH.

AND THEN ROAD RACES, EVERY TIME THAT SOMEBODY DOES A ROAD RACE AND THEY WANT TO DO THEIR OWN ROUTE, THAT CREATES ISSUES FOR THEM BECAUSE WE HAVE PLANS FOR HERE'S A ROUTE.

WE KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS. WE EXECUTE IT AS SOON AS SOMEBODY COMES IN AND SAYS, HEY, WE WANT TO DO A DIFFERENT ROUTE BECAUSE WE WANT TO DO THE SAME THING AS THIS ONE, THEN WE START GETTING INTO WE'RE NOT SURE HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK IN THIS AREA AND WE START GOING BACK AND FORTH.

SO THAT'S THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE WORK THROUGH BEFORE IT EVER GETS HERE.

SO I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THOSE. SIR, LET ME GO BACK ONE TOO.

SO WHAT SOME OF THE SUGGESTIONS WE HAVE HERE.

SO I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU THIS IDEA AND THIS CONCEPT WHEN A VENUE, A FOOTBALL STADIUM OR A CONCERT EVENT HAS A, HAS SOME KIND OF EVENT. THEY KNOW WHO THEIR EMPLOYEES ARE.

THEY'VE BEEN VETTED. THEY'VE RUN BACKGROUNDS.

THEY'VE DONE ALL THOSE THINGS RIGHT. AND THEY HAVE ACCESS CONTROL SET UP AND THEY HAVE ALL THESE MECHANISMS IN PLACE.

SO IF YOU GO TO WATCH A BUCS GAME, ALL THOSE EMPLOYEES HAVE BEEN VETTED.

THERE IS A PROCESS. THERE'S A MAGNETOMETER. THERE'S A CONTROLLED ACCESS POINTS RIGHT.

THERE'S COPS THERE AND ALL THAT. WHEN WE HAVE AN EVENT, AN OPEN AIR EVENT IN THE PARK, WE DON'T KNOW WHO ANYONE IS BESIDES THE PROMOTER.

ALL THE VENDORS, THEY'RE UNKNOWN TO THE CITY.

ALL THIS IS IS VERY LOOSEY GOOSEY. SO IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE WANT TO HAVE THESE MECHANISMS IN PLACE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO PLAY CATCH UP IF SOMETHING BREAKS.

AND ANOTHER THING THAT WE HAVE IS A SUGGESTION HERE ON SOME LARGER EVENTS.

THEY SHOULD HAVE SOME KIND OF INSURANCE FOR ACTIVE SHOOTER AND THAT'S AVAILABLE OUT THERE.

SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE CONCERN OURSELVES WITH IS AN OPEN AIR EVENT IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THAN A CLOSED EVENT AT A CONVENTION CENTER OR AT A HOTEL OR SOMETHING WHERE YOU HAVE COMPLETE CONTROL OF OF THE PROPERTY, THE IN AND THE OUTS AND YOU KNOW WHO YOUR EMPLOYEES ARE.

IN THIS CASE, WHEN THEY SET UP THREE FOOD VENDING TRUCKS OR WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING TO COOK IN THE PARK OR WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING.

WE DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND THEY'RE GOOD GUYS OR BAD GUYS.

WE DON'T KNOW. AND SO THE MORE MECHANISMS WE HAVE IN PLACE, THE BETTER IN ORDER TO, TO SLOW DOWN ANY ISSUES.

SO WE HAVE THESE BOLLARDS ALL AROUND THE CITY.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT IN THE PICTURE THERE, IT'S SIGNIFICANT BECAUSE YOU SEE THE PLANTERS THAT PROTECTS THE FRONT OF THAT BUILDING SIGNIFICANTLY.

AND THOSE ARE KIND OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU COULD DO DECORATIVELY.

NOW, OF COURSE THOSE ARE RED AND THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. BUT DECORATIVE THINGS IS WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF GOING TO. EARLIER I SPOKE ABOUT THE SIMS UNIT TO, TO YOU MAYOR AND WHAT WE HAVE WHAT I WANT TO SHARE WITH YOU ON THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE AND WHY WE. I WANT TO MENTION THE SIMS UNIT, THE SIMS UNIT.

WE'VE TAKEN OUR PREPARATION TO A NATIONAL LEVEL SO THAT NATIONAL LEVEL IS ON THE NATIONAL TACTICAL OFFICERS ASSOCIATION,

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AND COME UP WITH THE BEST PRACTICES. OUR SIMS UNIT, WHICH IS A SPECIAL INCIDENT MANAGEMENT.

THAT'S ALL THEY DO. WELL, THEY HAVE OTHER JOBS, TRUST ME.

BUT THAT'S THEIR MAIN MISSION IS TO LOOK AT ANY SPECIAL EVENT AND PLAN IT, PREPARE FOR IT, STAFF IT, RUN THE PLAN, AND THEN AFTER YOU HAVE THE PLAN, RUN, THEN COME UP WITH ALL THE CONTINGENCIES BECAUSE YOU HAVE YOUR PRIMARY PLAN, RIGHT? YOU HAVE YOUR EMERGENCY PLAN, YOUR CONTINGENCY PLAN.

AND THEY PLAN THAT DEEP. AND SO THE IDEA THAT WE WANT TO GET ACROSS TO PEOPLE IS, WHATEVER EVENT YOU HAVE IN THE CITY OF NAPLES, IT IS PLANNED AND SECURED AND PROTECTED AT A NATIONAL LEVEL.

IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, OLD NAPLES PLANNING. AND I'M NOT SAYING IN A NEGATIVE WAY, BUT IT'S NOT LITTLE OLD TOWN WITH THREE COPS AND BARNEY FIFE.

THIS IS A NATIONAL LEVEL PERFORMANCE, A 21ST CENTURY BEST PRACTICES.

SO THE THREE SITES THAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT PRIMARILY ARE THE ONES THAT WE HAVE THE MOST EVENTS.

AND THAT'S GOING TO BE CAMBRIA PARK, THIRD STREET AND FIFTH AVENUE.

THE EVENTS THERE ARE, ARE GREAT EVENTS. YOU KNOW, MOST OF THEM ARE, ARE UNEVENTFUL.

AND WHEN I SAY UNEVENTFUL, NOTHING BAD HAPPENS, RIGHT? AND, AND THE POLICE ARE PRESENT AND EVERYONE GETS ALONG.

AND SO WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING IN THE, IN THE INTERIM IS USING TRUCKS AND CARS AND AND PASSING THAT COST ON TO THE EVENT PROMOTER WHERE THEY HAVE TO RENT BARRICADES AND ALL THAT JUST TO KEEP EVERYTHING SAFE.

SO FINALLY, THAT HAS TAKEN US TO HERE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO DISCUSS ABOUT HOW THE CITY SHOULD RESPOND TO THESE THINGS.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE NEXT ONE, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ADVOCATING.

BOLLARDS, PLANTERS AND OR SEATING WALLS. THEY'RE VERY DECORATIVE.

YOU CAN PROTECT A PARK. AND I'M SPEAKING NOW SPECIFICALLY CAMBRIA PARK, IN A WAY THAT MAKES THE PARK A PRETTIER AND SAFER.

AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CHAD ON THOSE THINGS.

YEAH. SO WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION. I KNOW WE'VE GOT AGAIN, SOME NEW MEMBERS.

SO THIS IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, SOME OF THE OPTIONS WE HAVE CAMBRIA PARK BOLLARDS YOU CAN DO LIGHTED, YOU CAN DO NON LIGHTED, BUT YOU CAN KIND OF SEE HOW THEY'RE SUNK INTO THE GROUND.

THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BOLLARDS THAT ARE SURFACE MOUNTED.

ONCE THEY'RE HIT THEY JUST SNAP RIGHT OFF. SO YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF THEY'VE GOT TO BE RATED FOR ONE TO BE ABLE TO STOP VEHICLES.

STOPPING BOLLARDS IS A KEY COMPONENT. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, THIS SHOWS YOU PLANNERS.

SO SHOULD WE DO PLANNERS. SHOULD WE DO BOLLARDS? THAT'S THE QUESTION. OR DO YOU GO IN AND YOU DO A MIXED DESIGN.

MIXED DESIGN IS WE DO 2 OR 3 BOLLARDS AND WE HAVE A PLANNER THAT KIND OF BREAKS IT UP.

HOW ARE HOWEVER WE CHOOSE AND THERE'S EXAMPLES OF THAT IN HERE.

YOU CAN GO MODERN, YOU CAN GO MORE A LITTLE MORE RUSTIC.

HOWEVER HERE'S A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES. ACTUALLY, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT PROVIDED AS WELL, SHOWING HOW THE, THE MIX DESIGN CAN BE INCORPORATED IN TO BE ABLE TO HAVE IT ESTHETICALLY PLEASING BECAUSE AGAIN, WE UNDERSTAND, WE WANT TO MAINTAIN THE LOOK AND THE FEEL OF WHAT CAMBIER PARK IS, AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO ENHANCE.

WE DON'T WANT THIS TO BECOME SOMETHING THAT TAKES AWAY FROM THE APPEARANCE OF CAMBIER PARK.

WE CAN MAKE IT TO WHERE IT CAN ACTUALLY ENHANCE THE LOOK OF CAMBIER PARK.

SO I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER. SO JUST SO EVERYBODY CAN GET A GOOD AERIAL VIEW, SOME EVENTS EXPAND BEYOND.

THE GENERAL AREA OF THE PARK AND I'LL GET INTO THAT. BUT WE ARE ALWAYS CONCERNED.

WITH PARK STREET ACCESS, CAMBIER PARKWAY AND EIGHTH STREET.

AND THEN WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS A GOOD OVERSHOT.

SO DEPENDING ON THE EVENT. IF IT'S A SMALLER EVENT, IT'S USUALLY LOCALIZED TO THAT SHADED AREA.

RIGHT? THEN MOST COMMON FOOTPRINT. AND THEN WHEN THEY EXPAND THE EVENT AND YOU'LL SEE THERE, IT TAKES ALL THAT AREA THAT'S A BIGGER SWATH.

THAT'S, THAT'S ALMOST HALF THE PARK IS GONE NOW, RIGHT? SO IF I GO BACK, IT'S A SMALLER EVENT AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER WHAT A SMALLER EVENT IS.

SO WE HAVE THESE THINGS IN PLACE. A SMALLER EVENT REQUIRES NO ROAD CLOSURE, NO CAR BLOCKING.

THE. I'M SAYING WITH THE. THE BOLLARDS ARE IN PLACE THAT SMALLER EVENT.

MAYBE THEY ONLY NEED TWO OFFICERS OR DEPENDENT OR NONE AT ALL.

IT JUST DEPENDS ON THE EVENT. BUT NOW YOU HAVE VEHICLE PROTECTION IN PLACE.

THE EVENT GETS A LITTLE BIGGER. YOU HAVE PROTECTION ON THE OTHER SIDE AND ALL THE WAY CAMBIER PARK,

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AND THEN AS THE EVENTS EXPAND THE LARGER EVENT, LET'S SAY A BIG FESTIVAL THAT IS BRINGING IN, YOU KNOW, 5000 PEOPLE OR WHATEVER NUMBER THAT TURNS OUT TO BE.

THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BOLLARDS ALL THE WAY AROUND THE PARK.

NOW, EVERY RED LINE THERE IS NOT A BOLLARD. THAT'S JUST, JUST AN AREA YOU WOULD MAYBE PUT A PLANTER OR BOLLARD.

THE ENTRANCE OVER HERE ON THE TOP RIGHT CORNER OF YOUR SCREEN, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE BETTER SET TO HAVE A REMOVABLE ONE.

SO YOU CAN BRING A CAR IN FOR LOADING AND UNLOADING.

BUT IN SOME OF THESE AREAS, AS WE MENTIONED, YOU COULD PUT A VERY NICE DECORATIVE BENCH WITH FLOWERS.

IT STOPS CARS AND IT MAKES THE PARK, YOU KNOW, BEAUTIFICATION OF THE PARK AREA.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT CAMBIER PARK AND WE SPEAK SPECIFICALLY OF JUST THE TEMPORARY ARCHER BARRICADES, IT WOULD REQUIRE 72 OF THOSE. AND THAT'S STOPPING ALL THESE AREAS FOR A LARGER EVENT.

AND THIS IS TO THE LEVEL OF PLANNING THAT WE DO, IS THAT WE BREAK IT DOWN TO THE THE CLEAREST WAY TO SEE WHERE A THREAT WOULD COME FROM.

AND THEN WE BLOCK THAT ACCESS. POSSIBLE ROAD CLOSURES OVERVIEW.

THE LONG TERM. YOU GOT THAT ONE. YEAH. ACTUALLY, I DON'T KNOW IF GARY DO YOU WANT TO KIND OF HAD THIS ONE UP.

SO THIS IS REALLY THE STOPPING POINT FOR ME IS, IS TO, TO ASCERTAIN DO WE BELIEVE THAT A COMPREHENSIVE MIXED COMBINATION FIRST, DO WE AGREE THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT LONG TERM TO PUT IN THE THE INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN AND AROUND CAMBIER PARK TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THESE EVENTS WITHOUT PORTABLE ALL THE TIME AND CLOSING ROADS ALL THE TIME.

THAT'S THE FIRST TERM. THAT TO ME IS THE LONG TERM.

AND THEN THE SECOND QUESTION WOULD BE WHAT IS THE COMBINATION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE? DO YOU WANT IT? DO YOU WANT IT A COMBINATION AS WE SAID.

WHAT OR DO YOU WANT TO COME BACK WITH A DESIGN.

SO IF WE CAN GET THOSE TWO THINGS OUT OF THAT, THEN IN THE SHORT RUN, WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE COSTS RELATED TO THOSE ARCHERS AND WHAT THAT WOULD BE, BUT WHAT THAT ALLOWS US TO PIVOT TO HERE IN A MOMENT.

BUT I THINK THE FIRST QUESTION IS LONG TERM WISE, DO WE WANT TO MAKE THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT AND CAMBIER PARK TO PROTECT IT WITH BOLLARDS OR A COMBINATION OF ITEMS, PLANTERS AND WALLS AND OR SEATING AREAS, SEATING, SEATING WALLS, THAT THAT'LL PROVIDE THE PARK WITH ITS ITS SECURITY AND ALLOW IT TO STILL FUNCTION AS A PASSIVE PARK.

I. I KNOW THIS IS A NEW COUNCIL, BUT I THOUGHT THE LAST COUNCIL SAID YES, THAT WE WANTED TO.

WELL, IT IS A NEW COUNCIL, BUT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SOLVE IT.

THE. THE. THE LAST COUNCIL ALSO SAID WITHOUT HAVING A A BUDGET IN PLACE THAT.

YES, WE WANT TO SEE A DESIGN. WE NEED TO HAVE A SHORT TERM PLAN WITH ARCHERS TO SAY, ARE WE GOING TO START TO SOLVE SOMETHING ELSE SOON? BECAUSE THIS IS AN 8 TO 10 MONTH. AND AS YOU'RE COMING UP ON CAPITAL SEASON, I WANTED TO HAVE THIS OVERALL CONVERSATION WITH THE NEW MEMBERS OF COUNCIL REITERATING, IS THIS A DIRECTION YOU WANT ME TO GO? WE'VE NEVER TALKED ABOUT BUYING THE ARCHERS IN QUANTITY OR WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, AND THAT'S THE PART THAT I WANT TO DO HERE. NOW, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT OUR ESTIMATE BACK IN IN MAY, WHEN WE HIT IT, PUT IT IN ON THE CRA AS THE ORIGINAL JUMPING OFF POINT BECAUSE IT IS ELIGIBLE UNDER THERE WAS 850,000.

I WOULD ARGUE THAT IT'S PROBABLY 850 TO 1 MILLION IS WHAT WE WOULD ANTICIPATE TAKING TO TO PROTECT CAMBIER PARK WHEN YOU GO WITH PLANTERS, ETC. SO REALLY ALL I WANT TO DO IS GET CONSENSUS IS YES, STAY IN THAT REGARD.

DEVELOP IT. AND THEN FROM A FUNDING STANDPOINT, I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU NOW, MY INTENT WOULD BE TO LOOK AT IT A COUPLE DIFFERENT WAYS.

ONE IS WE HAVE, WE HAVE COSTS THAT WE RECOVER OVER TIME THROUGH OUR SPECIAL EVENTS.

BUT THE OTHER PART OF IT IS WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO SECURE OUR PARK NO MATTER WHAT.

AND THE OTHER PART IS THE CRA IT, IT IS WITHIN THAT AREA.

IT DOES DRAW PEOPLE TO EVENTS WITHIN THE CORRIDOR.

SO I THINK IT SHOULD BE A MIXED FUNDING OPPORTUNITY.

BUT I THAT COMBINATION, I WOULD COME TO YOU WITH A DESIGN AND HOW I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE FUNDED.

SO I GUESS I JUST, BUT I WANTED TO MAYOR, I THINK IT WAS, IF YOU REMEMBER, IT WAS, WE ASKED FOR SEVERAL ITEMS AND WE'VE GOT PIECES OF THINGS.

AND I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO HAVE A FULL, COMPREHENSIVE DISCUSSION AND REITERATING THIS RATHER THAN JUST START TO TALK, HAVE A CONVERSATION ON SIZE OF EVENTS WITHOUT HAVING REAFFIRMED WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE.

BUT WE DO NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT A SMALL OR LARGE EVENT COMPREHENSION IS, WHICH WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THAT PART OF IT.

THE QUESTION FOR ME IS THE EPICENTER OF OUR EVENTS.

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YES. I WAS HOPING AND MAYBE THE NEXT ITERATION WE SAW THE SAME PICTURE OF LIKE A BOLLARD WITH LIGHTS VERSUS ONE WITHOUT.

WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE COST IS OR WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS IN COST.

AND SO I'LL TRUST YOU ON THE BUDGET, BUT I STILL THINK AT SOME POINT WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT PART TOO.

WE JUST WANT TO I WANT TO DO THE GET TO ENGAGE AN ARCHITECT THAT YOU.

YOU'LL HAVE TO AWARD THIS. IT'S GOING TO COST MORE THAN 50,000.

I WANTED TO GET. SO YES. WITHOUT RESERVATION.

ABSOLUTELY. YES. BARTON. YES. AGAIN. WITHOUT.

YES. YES. IS THIS THE TIME TO HAVE A CONVERSATION? THAT'S FOR ADULTS. AND SERIOUS. I'M SORRY. IS THIS A TIME TO HAVE A SERIOUS ADULT CONVERSATION ABOUT THE PROTECTION OF THIS CITY? WELL, IN A LARGER PICTURE, WE CAN DO THAT LATER, BUT MACRO TO MICRO.

WELL, RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST GETTING THIS BASIC DIRECTION OF ABSOLUTELY.

WE NEED TO GIVE EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO THE POLICE CHIEF AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND FIRE DEPARTMENT TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT THIS COMMUNITY IN THE CASE OF SOMETHING VERY BAD.

AND THERE ARE BAD ACTORS ALL OVER THIS PLANET AND THERE'S A LOT MORE IN OUR COUNTRY.

SO THERE ARE SPECIFIC THINGS THAT I'M NOT SURE THE CAPABILITIES TOTALLY WITH SWAT IN THE TYPE OF ENDEAVORS THAT YOU MAY NEED AT SOME POINT.

HOPEFULLY IT'S NEVER IN A PERFECT WORLD, IT'S NEVER.

BUT DO YOU HAVE THE CAPACITY TO BRING IN THE EXPERTS FROM THE MILITARY AND HOW TO SECURE THIS CITY IN THE EVENT OF CRAZIES RUNNING AROUND IEDS, BLOWING UP VEHICLES AND PARKING LOTS FOR DISTRACTION, ALL THE SUNDRY THINGS THAT CAN AND THAT BAD, BAD ACTORS WOULD DO. YEAH, THAT'S A WORTHY CONVERSATION.

BUT LET'S STAY FOCUSED ON THIS, OKAY? ONE THING LEADS TO ANOTHER.

I, AGAIN, I AGREE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GET DISTRACTED FROM THIS.

SO YES. MR. YOUNG. YEAH. MAKE A MOTION. WE ARE ALL FOR PROTECTING IT.

NO, MADAM MAYOR, I DO WANT TO REMIND THE OTHER REASON FOR THIS IS THE SPREAD BETWEEN.

THE LAST TIME WE HAD THE LAST CONVERSATION WAS THE EVENTS OF THE FIREWORKS.

WAS THE EVENTS OF THE OF THE PARADE. WE HAD THE VOTE ON THE ON THE SAINT PATRICK'S DAY PARADE, BUT WE HAD NEVER VETTED THE COMPREHENSIVE PART OF THE AFTER ACTION REPORT.

THE SECURITY AROUND CAMBIER ARCHERS FOR THIRD AND THE OTHER.

THERE'S BEEN MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M JUST TRYING TO HAVE A LINEAR PATH FOR ALL OF THESE ITEMS IN ONE CONVERSATION TODAY.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO FROM THE NEXT STANDPOINT, THE CHIEF ALREADY ONE SLIDE BACK HAD INDICATED THAT IT TOOK 72 BOLLARDS OR EXCUSE ME, 72 ARCHERS TO TO, TO PROTECT CAMBIER PARK. SO THE POINT IS ON THE SHORT TERM.

BECAUSE AGAIN, IF IT TAKES 8 TO 10 MONTHS TO GET CAMBIER DONE, LET'S ASSUME THAT FOR A MOMENT THAT WE CAN HAVE THE ABILITY TO UTILIZE ARCHERS AND TO BEGIN SECURING CAMBIER PARK, PROBABLY WITHIN A 60 TO 90 DAY PERIOD, WHICH I'D BE COMING BACK WITH YOU FOR A CONTRACT.

NOW, THE REASON THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER IS THE NEXT STEP OF THIS IS GOING TO SAY 72 ARCHERS, WHICH WE ESTIMATE IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 889,000 AND $1 MILLION, WILL TAKE CARE OF THE CIRCUMFERENCE OF THE AREA.

WE WOULD NEED TO IN CAMBIAR, BUT IT WOULD ALSO.

IT ONLY TAKES, I THINK, 32 OR 38 ON THIRD AVE TO BE ABLE TO PROTECT IT.

SO THE MOMENT YOU HAVE. IF YOU'RE. EVEN. IF EVEN ONCE CAMBIAR IS PROTECTED, YOU HAVE ENOUGH TO PROVIDE THE.

THE ARCHERS FOR THIRD. THIRD STILL IS GOING TO BE EVALUATED FOR CERTAIN PLACES WHERE IT SHOULD BE EMBEDDED, NOT NECESSARILY UNDERGROUND IN THE STREET, BUT WE HAVE THE PORTABLE ONES WHERE THEY IT HAS A LITTLE BIT OF A RAISE TO IT AND YOU INSTALL INSTALL THE BALLERS.

SO WE WANT TO GO HAVE THAT AS PART OF TO BE WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE PHASE TWO OF THAT ONE.

BUT INITIALLY BY BUYING THE ARCHERS, WE'RE IN POSITION TO SECURE.

THIRD, WE'RE IN POSITION TO SECURE CAMBIAR AND COME BACK TO YOU WITH A CONTRACT TO AWARD FOR THEIR ACQUISITION SOONER.

SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER FOR FOR CHAD.

THAT'S WHY I TALK ABOUT SHORT TERM ACQUISITION OF ARCHERS, AND HE'LL ELABORATE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER ON.

ON IN TERMS OF WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN TO THIRD STREET AS WELL IF WE WENT THE.

THE ACQUISITION OF ARCHERS. SO GOOD. ONE MORE GOOD.

ONE MORE. KEEP GOING. THERE YOU GO. OKAY, SO AGAIN, WE TALK ABOUT STREET BOLLARDS.

WE THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS WITH THAT.

WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE RETRACTABLE. NOT AN OPTION.

NOT GOOD SALT WATER ELECTRONICS. THEY DON'T MATCH.

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THEY FOLD INTO THE STREET. WE CAN REMOVE THEM, WE TAKE THEM, BUT UTILIZING THESE BOLLARDS AND THEY CAN BE USED IN MULTIPLE LOCATIONS.

SO IF WE KEEP IT CONSISTENT, NO MATTER WHERE WE ARE AT, IF AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THIRD STREET HERE, BUT IN THE FUTURE, IF WE DO SOMETHING WITH FIFTH, WE'LL BE ABLE TO UTILIZE THOSE SAME ONES.

AS LONG AS THERE'S NOT MULTIPLE EVENTS AT THE SAME TIME.

SO FOR THIRD STREET, IT KIND OF GOES BACK. I THINK GARY'S ALREADY KIND OF REITERATED HERE.

LONG TERM WOULD BE THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT COMBINED WITH THE REMOVABLE BOLLARDS IN THE ROADWAY AND THEN THE ACQUISITION OF THE ARCHERS AND IS A SHORT TERM FOR THIRD. AND THIS WOULD ALSO HELP US WITH CAMBIER PARK.

WE WOULD BE ABLE TO USE THESE FOR BOTH OF THOSE EVENTS.

YOU WANT ME TO MOVE IN INTO FIFTH OR DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD? I WOULD SAY HERE IS IS JUST I MEAN, IS I THINK THIS WOULD BE THE FIRST ONE WHERE WE DETERMINE CAPITAL INVESTMENT TO EMBED REMOVABLE BOLLARDS INTO THE ROADWAYS IS BETWEEN THE WORK THAT THE CHIEF AND CHAD ALREADY DO ON ALL OF THE THIRD STREET IS IDENTIFY THOSE STREETS, WHICH THEY'RE CLOSED ENOUGH THAT WE SHOULD PUT THESE IN AS A PILOT TEST AND SEE HOW THEY WORK.

IN THE MEANTIME, WE ALREADY HAVE PURCHASED ENOUGH ARCHERS THAT WE CAN SUBSIDIZE IT THERE.

SO WITH THAT SAID. AND BECAUSE THESE ARE IN THE ROADWAY, THIS INITIAL PILOT PART OF THIRD STREET.

WOULD BE MY INTENT TO PAY FOR THAT OUT OF THE $0.01 SALES TAX.

AND THE REASON THAT THAT IS, IS BECAUSE IF YOU HARKEN BACK TO ITS ORIGIN, AT ONE POINT IT WAS DISCUSSED TO UTILIZE IT BECAUSE IT'S ALL HARDENING OF STREETS AND PUTTING ANYTHING IN THE ROADWAYS. IT WAS ORIGINALLY DEPICTED THAT FIFTH WOULD HAVE THEM FROM SOME OF THE $0.01 SALES TAX BEFORE IT WAS REPURPOSED.

SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK IDENTIFY 2 OR 3 PRIMARY STREETS, ALONG WITH DAVE RIVERA AND CHAD AND SHIRO AND HIS TEAM AND SAY, WHICH ONES DO WE WANT TO TEST THESE ON? COME BACK TO YOU.

GET THEM IN THE GROUND. AND IN THE MEANTIME, NOW WE HAVE PORTABLE.

WE HAVE SOME TEST PILOT ONES AND WE HAVE SOME.

THE CAN BE PROTECTED AND THEN I THINK WHEN THOSE ARE ALL DONE, REMEMBER IF THAT HAPPENS, YOU'VE NOW GOT HALF OF WHAT YOU NEED TO DO ALL OF FIFTH AND YOU EVALUATE WHAT YOUR FINAL DECISION ON FIFTH BY AFTER THOSE ARE INSTALLED.

BUT IN THE MEANTIME, YOU HAVE CAPACITY ON THESE ARCHERS TO EVEN TO TO REDUCE FIFTH AVENUE COSTS ON EVENTS THAT OCCUR.

SO I JUST WANTED TO LAY THAT OUT AND THEN LET CHAD GO THROUGH.

SO, SO FOR ME, IF YOU AGREE WITH ME, I GUESS THE ONE LONG TERM INVESTMENT, WHICH I KNOW, MARY, YOU'RE GOING TO SAY WE. I THOUGHT WE ALREADY SAID THAT, BUT AND I DON'T MEAN THAT FACETIOUSLY.

YOU DID TELL ME, PUT IN A PILOT PROGRAM, PUT THE ONES IN THE GROUND ON THIRD, AND IF I HAVE THE CONSENT ON THE ARCHERS FOR TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH THOSE THAT AS A CONTRACT PRICE ON THE PORTABLES, I THINK WE'LL HAVE SECURED BOTH OF THOSE IN RELATIVELY QUICK ORDER AS WELL.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY INTENT. LET'S KEEP MOVING.

ALL RIGHT. CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO PROVIDE THE COLLOIDS.

ON AN INVESTMENT BASIS AND CHARGE BACK BASED ON EACH ENTITY THAT WANTS TO DO SOMETHING.

MR. YOUNG, DO YOU WANT TO GO? I THINK IF I CAN GET THE CONSENSUS TO.

YES. TO DO THE PORTABLE BOLLARD, THE PORTABLE ARCHERS WITH THE.

QUANTITY SUFFICIENT TO TO TO, TO CLOSE CAMBIER PARK OR TO PROVIDE SAFETY FOR.

CAMBIER PARK AND TO BE UTILIZED THROUGH OTHER PARK CITY VENUES.

THAT IS SUFFICIENT FOR ME. AND TELL ME HOW THAT IS GOING TO AFFECT THE EXISTING EVENTS. I YOU JUST SAID THAT IT'S GOING TO HELP WITH.

IT'S GOING TO HELP WITH IT. SURE. SO, SO JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.

FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN WE MADE THE DECISION THAT FROM A SECURITY STANDPOINT, WE COULDN'T HAVE CARS WE WANTED TO PROTECT CAMBIER PARK WITH PORTABLE BOLLARDS AND IN SOME CASES IT RAISED THE COST 3 TO $6,000 A MONTH FOR THESE EVENTS ONCE WE SECURE CAMBIER PARK. AND THAT IS DONE. THERE'S NO LONGER THE NEED FOR THE FOR THE THE PORTABLE SECURITY BARRIERS.

ANOTHER EXAMPLE ON THIRD IS WE. THIS COUNCIL AGREED THAT I WOULD PROVIDE A GRANT UP TO THE $50,000 UNDER THE CITY MANAGER'S AUTHORITY BY CONSENSUS TO OFFSET THEIR COSTS, WHICH WAS ABOUT $83,000 THIS YEAR.

AND THAT'S ROUGHLY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. FOR THEIR COST OF RENTING THE BARRICADES THAT THEY PUT IN.

AND IF YOU REMEMBER, AT THE FIRST THREE FARMER'S MARKET EVENTS, WE HAD SOLID WASTE VEHICLES AT THE ENDS AND THEN WE WENT TO THE BARRICADES.

SO, SO THAT HAS THE POTENTIAL TO SAVE. NOW WE'RE IN POSITION.

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BUT EVEN IF WE SAID WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE MAN HOURS TO PUT PUT THEM UP, IT'S NOWHERE NEAR THE COST OF THEM RENTING EVERY SINGLE TIME.

SO THIS IS A MECHANISM TO DRIVE DOWN COSTS FOR OUR EVENTS.

AS IT PERTAINS TO THE SECURITY REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'VE DEPICTED, WE THINK NEEDS TO BE DONE TO KEEP PEOPLE SAFE, RIGHT? SO THIS IS WHERE SOME OF THE CONFUSION, BECAUSE WE IMPLEMENTED A POLICY PRIOR TO COMPLETING THE POLICY. SO WE'VE GIVEN SOME SUPPORT TO THIRD, BUT YET WE ALSO HAVE CAMBIAR EVENTS THAT ARE NOT SECURE. AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THE ARCHER TEMPORARY TO SECURE THE CAMBIER PARK UNTIL WE GET THE PERMANENT BALLARDS IN PLACE.

WE'RE GOING TO PURCHASE THOUGH THOSE PURCHASE THOSE BASED ON OUR OVERALL EVENT PALETTE, FOR LACK OF A BETTER.

WE HAVE ENOUGH LOCATIONS THEY'RE DOING THAT 72 TO GET THEM IN HERE SOONER.

IS I'M NOT ASKING. TODAY TO TO SUBSIDIZE ANY OTHER EVENT.

IT'S IN CAMBIER PARK. I SUBMIT THAT RESOLVING THE SECURITY THERE WILL HAVE AN INSTANTANEOUS SAVINGS OF THOSE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'VE ASKED THEM TO, TO, TO TAKE ON AS PART OF WHAT WE BELIEVE AND WHAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BELIEVES IS THE SECURITY PROFILE NEEDED TO SECURE THAT PARK.

SO IT INHERENTLY HELPS THEM AS SOON AS WE GET THEM AND CAN DEPLOY THEM BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT RENTING THEM ON THEIR OWN.

AND I'M SORRY, I'M BEING SLOW. WHAT IS THE TIME FRAME ON THAT? WELL, AGAIN, WE'VE IDENTIFIED A GSA CONTRACT AND THE PRICE VARIATION IS ROUGHLY 889 TO 1 MILLION.

OH 49 I'M DOING THAT FROM MEMORY, BUT I DO HAVE IT HERE IN THE PACKET.

BUT IF IT'S A GOVERNMENT IS TO COME BACK TO YOU IN PROBABLY BE THE FIRST WEEK IN APRIL, I'M NOT SURE I CAN GET IT DONE BY THE 18TH OF MARCH, BUT I'LL BE SHOOTING FOR THE FIRST WEEK IN APRIL.

TO COME BACK WITH YOU FOR A SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION AND TO EXECUTE AN AGREEMENT.

IF I CAN DO THAT, THEN IT'S A MATTER OF I HAVEN'T SPOKE TO THEM AND SAY, WHAT'S YOUR DELIVERY TIME? BUT SINCE IT'S EXPEDITIOUSLY AS I CAN GET. AS A GOVERNMENT AGENCY, I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT.

RIGHT. THANK YOU. I'M ONLY ASKING QUESTIONS BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY DETAILS IN THIS.

I APPRECIATE THAT, MA'AM. THANK YOU. SO TO TEMPORARILY DO CAMBIAR WITH THESE ARCHERS.

THE ARCHERS ARE FOR PROTECTION ON VEHICLES. CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. SO IF WE ARE PROTECTING CAMBIAR FROM VEHICLES, THEN DO WE NEED TO CLOSE THE STREET DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE EVENT. SO IF I, IF YOU COULD SEE ON YOUR SCREEN, LET ME GO BACK ONE.

CAN YOU SEE WHERE THE. THAT'S A STREET CLOSURE, RIGHT? SO LET'S SAY WE HAD A VERY LARGE EVENT WITH A COUPLE THOUSAND PEOPLE THAT WOULD REQUIRE STREET CLOSURE.

IT'S JUST BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE EVENT. HOWEVER, SMALLER EVENTS YOU SEE WITH 72.

ARCHERS. I'M SORRY. NOT BARRICADES. ARCHERS. VEHICLE STOPPING APPARATUS.

DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF EVENT, WE CAN THEN CIRCLE THAT SMALLER AREA AND AND HAVE THAT SECURE.

SO YOU KNOW 72 DOES IT ALL. 72 ALLOWS US TO THEN, YOU KNOW, BRING THAT DOWN TO MAYBE 40 OR 30 THERE.

AND THEN AND IF I PIGGYBACK ON WHAT THE CITY MANAGER WAS SAYING, IF WE GET THESE 72 NOW, WE CAN DO CAMBIER PARK. THE PEOPLE THAT USE CAMBIER PARK ARE NO LONGER RENTING THEM THERE.

I'M SURE WE'LL COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF SERVICE FEE TO SET THEM UP, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T SET HIM UP AND AND DOESN'T COMMUNITY.

IT WOULD BE A STREETS THING. SO THEY WOULD BRING HIM OUT. SET HIM UP AND THERE'D BE A CHARGE FOR THAT.

AND OVER TIME WE'D RECUR OUR INVESTMENT FOR THAT.

BUT THEY'RE NOT PAYING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ANYMORE.

THEY'RE JUST PAYING FOR THE SETUP FEE, WHICH IS A MUCH MORE OF A FAIR APPROACH TO THEM AS WELL.

NOW, WHAT HAPPENS IS WHEN WE GET THE PERMANENT BOLLARDS IN PLACE, WE NOW HAVE THIS 72 BARRICADES OR ARCHERS THAT WE CAN USE IN THIRD STREET OR FIFTH AVENUE, OR AUGMENT WHAT WE HAVE NOW.

THE LONG RUN BENEFIT TO THAT IS, IS ONCE YOU HAVE, LET'S JUST SAY WE DID IT ALL AND WE HAVE BOLLARDS ON FIFTH AVENUE AND BOLLARDS ON THIRD STREET AND AND AND BOLLARDS AND PLANTERS ON CAMBIER PARK.

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THEY JUST DRIVE RIGHT OVER IT, YOU KNOW? BUT THERE'S ALL THESE OTHER EVENTS THAT WE WOULDN'T USE POLICE CARS FOR TO BLOCK A ROAD.

AND WE DON'T USE A FIRE TRUCK. WE DON'T WE DON'T USE OUR APPARATUS THAT ONCE IT GETS DAMAGED, WE CAN'T USE IT ANYMORE. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

BUT AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S AHEAD INTO WHAT MR. SCHULTZ IS SAYING. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S AROUND THE CORNER. BUT BEING HAVING ON THE SHELF TO SAY 72 THINGS THAT WE CAN BLOCK ROADS, CONTROL, ACCESS, DO THIS, DO THAT MAKES US STRONGER OVERALL.

DO I NEED TO GET A CONSENSUS ON THAT FOR THAT? I MEAN, BECAUSE THAT YES, BUT I NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE ROAD CLOSURES AFTER THAT.

SO YES TO PROCEED WITH YES QUESTION. BUT I WANT THE RIGHT NUMBER.

YOU'VE REFERRED TO 72 WHICH WILL COVER THE BE R O MICROPHONE.

THE ANSWER IS YES, BUT I NEED SOME CLARIFICATION.

YOU'RE SHOWING CAMBIER PARK AS NEEDING 72, BUT YOU'RE SHOWING AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT PAGE.

A TOTAL NUMBER OF 211. SO WHAT WHAT EXACTLY IS THE ASK HERE.

IS IT FOR 72, 101 OR 200. AND I CAN ANSWER THAT.

SO THEY THE FIRST THING WAS I WANTED TO KNOW.

I ASKED THEM WHAT IF ALL OF YOUR THREE MAIN VENUES HERE IN THE DOWNTOWN, IF YOU WERE PROTECTING THEM ALL RIGHT NOW, HOW MANY WOULD YOU BUY? AND IT WAS 101, 38 AND 72.

OKAY. AND WHEN THAT CAME, THERE WAS 110 MAYBE.

BUT WHEN THAT CAME TO FRUITION, MY POINT WAS WE DON'T HAVE ONE AT EVERY PLACE ALL THE TIME.

AND SO I'M NOT GOING TO WASTE MONEY EITHER. MINE IS, IS CAN WE MAKE A CAPITAL INVESTMENT AND AN EQUIPMENT INVESTMENT THAT GIVES US 80% OF THE COVERAGE? AND THAT'S WHY I GO BACK TO WHAT WE DO ON FIFTHS.

GOING TO BE THE SUCCESS OF US GETTING THOSE OTHER THINGS IN PLACE.

SO THIS ISN'T TRYING TO. AND REMEMBER THE PRICE I'M GIVING YOU FOR THE ROUGHLY 889 TO 1 MILLION.

OH 49 FOR THOSE ARCHERS IS 472 OR 75 IN THE QUOTE.

SO IT IS ADEQUATE WITHOUT OVERSPENDING AND THEN DOING CAMBIER PARK.

AND NOW I'M, I HAVE I'M SITTING ON 75, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF THAT MIDDLE GROUND TO SAY WE'RE NOT, WE DIDN'T GET HERE OVERNIGHT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION AND WE CAN PROBABLY TAKE CARE OF TWO VENUES IN VERY SHORT ORDER.

SO THE NUMBER 72. THAT'S CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. AND OR HOWEVER THE BLOCK COMES IN UNDER GSA, I BELIEVE IT MAY BE 75.

BUT WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, WHEN YOU MAKE A BLOCK PURCHASE LIKE THAT, OKAY, NO MORE THAN 75.

THAT WOULD BE MY ESTIMATE. VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU. YES.

THE MY ANSWER IS YES. SCHULTZ BUY A LOT OF TALK.

YEAH, I'M GETTING A CONSENSUS ON ON THE 72. YES.

OKAY. THERE'S A LOT MORE. OKAY. SO YES, MR. YOUNG, YOU HAVE A CONSENSUS ON THAT.

BUT GOING BACK TO THIS ROAD CLOSURE. OKAY. SO HOW DO YOU DETERMINE THE ROAD CLOSURE? BY SIZE OF EVENT, THE SIZE OF EVENT. CORRECT.

AND SIZE OF EVENT AND THE CONCERN OF THE EVENT.

AND SO FOR EXAMPLE THE HANUKKAH CELEBRATION WAS NOT 1500 PEOPLE BUT WE DID CLOSE THE ROADS. AND IF YOU RECALL, HOURS EARLIER IN BONDI BEACH, THERE WAS A, A TERRIBLE ATTACK ON THAT EVENT. SO WHAT WE DID THAT SAME EVENING IS RAMP EVERYTHING UP AND HAVE EXTRA STAFF, AND WE MADE SURE THE ROADS WERE CLOSED. SO I WOULD SAY AN EVENT THAT THAT WE HAVE CONCERN HIGHER SECURITY, WE WOULD DO THAT. BUT SEE THE WIN ON THIS AGAIN IS THEN WE WOULD MAKE THAT DECISION BECAUSE IT'S OUR BARRICADES AND WE CALL STREETS AND WE PUT IT UP AND WE DON'T PASS THAT ON TO, YOU KNOW, TO CHABAD OR WHATEVER GROUP THAT IS THERE.

SO IF WE FIND OUT THAT YOU'RE HAVING A PARTY AND FOR WHATEVER REASON, YOU BECAME A HIGHER THREAT, WE CAN THEN AUGMENT THAT BASED ON WHAT WE HAVE, THE STUFF THAT WE HAVE THE EQUIPMENT ON THE SHELF, RIGHT? SO THAT'S WE DON'T HAVE TO DISCUSS IT NOW, BUT IT NEEDS TO BE ON THE TOPIC OF YOU CAN DECIDE THAT YOU NEED TO CLOSE THE ROADS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE AN ISSUE WITH CLOSING THE ROADS WHEN WE HAD A SPEAKER THIS MORNING SPEAKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE ROAD IS CLOSED AND THEY CAN'T GET IN AND OUT OF THEIR DRIVEWAY, OR SOMEONE WHO'S TRYING TO GET INTO THE ALLEY BY CAMBIER PARK AND THE ROADS CLOSED TO CLARIFY.

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WHEN WE DECIDE TO CLOSE, THE ROAD IS A POLICE NEED.

SO FOR HANUKKAH, YOU KNOW, OR ANY EVENT THAT WE THINK IS IS A SECURITY ISSUE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL JUST MAKE THAT DECISION BASED ON THE FACT OF SECURITY ISSUES, WHICH IS SEPARATE AND APART.

WHAT SHE'S TALKING ABOUT IS SO MANY EVENTS OCCURRING AT CAMBIER PARK, AND I KNOW THAT'S A LATER DISCUSSION FOR YOU ALL, BUT, YOU KNOW, IS IT A PARK OR IS IT AN EVENT CENTER? AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK I TOOK FROM HER STATEMENT.

YEAH. SO THERE'S TWO SEPARATE ISSUES THERE THAT HAVE TO BE CLARIFIED.

AND THAT IS WHEN LOOKING AT A SPECIAL EVENT, DO WE HAVE TO CLOSE THE ROADS OR NOT? FROM A COMMUNITY SERVICES POINT OF VIEW, WHICH NEEDS TO BE POINTED OUT ON A SPECIAL EVENTS PERMIT VERSUS WHAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS DETERMINED AS A NECESSARY CLOSING PART OF THE PERMIT THAT YOU ALL HAVE TO APPROVE.

THANK YOU. SO AND THERE IS TWO. SO ALL I'M GOING TO SAY, MAYOR, IS THAT THERE IS TWO TWO DIFFERENT PATHS THAT WE HAVE TO DO.

ONE IS BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE EVENT IS THE CHIEF.

WHAT I, I'LL USE THE EXPRESSION PASSIVE PARK AS LONG AS IT CONTINUED TO BE A PASSIVE PARK AND THE PARK IS SECURE, IT IS VERY UNLIKELY THAT THE CHIEF WOULD CLOSE THE ROADS.

HOWEVER, THERE ARE OUTSIDE, AS HE JUST MENTIONED, THAT MAY DEPICT WE ACT OUTSIDE OF WHAT THE SPECIAL EVENT SAYS AND CLOSE THE ROAD.

AND IF WE NEEDED TO TO PROTECT THE VENUE, WE WOULD DO THAT AND THAT'S OUTSIDE LONG AFTER.

BUT AGAIN, THEY WERE REACTING THAT DAY AND THE CHIEF SAID, I WANT TO PUT EXTRA SECURITY ON THE ROAD.

AND I SAID, YES. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DELINEATE BETWEEN THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND DECISIONS MADE LEADING UP TO IT AND INCLUDING THAT DAY.

THE OTHER PART OF IT IS WHAT I SAID EARLY ON, WHICH IS ONCE WE PROTECT CAMBIER PARK AND THE CAPACITIES OPERATE WITHIN WHAT WE CONSIDER TO BE A PASSIVE PARK WILL BE VERY FEW ROAD CLOSURES OUTSIDE OF CURRENT EVENTS THAT MAY DEPICTED.

WE NEEDED ENHANCED SECURITY. I THINK THAT'S A SAFE STATEMENT.

IS THAT CORRECT, CHIEF? ABSOLUTELY. BEYOND THAT, ONCE YOU GET TO THE OTHER SIDE OF IT AND YOU'RE OUTSIDE, IT'S YOU'RE NOW CLOSING IT OFF. IT'S NO LONGER USED AS A PASSIVE PARK.

IT'S WHAT'S THE OVERFLOW. AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE CONVERSATION ON IN THE NEXT PIECE OF THIS.

BUT I DID WANT TO RIGHT NOW, YOU'VE SEEN SO MANY BECAUSE IT ISN'T PROTECTED THAT A LOT OF THOSE DECISIONS TO TO CLOSE THE ROADS BECAUSE WE PROTECTED IT. THE ROADS, THEY'LL BE MUCH, MUCH FEWER ROAD CLOSURES IN CAMBIER BECAUSE OF IT.

OKAY. OKAY, SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO FIFTH AVENUE AND FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH. AND AGAIN, I THINK WE'VE HAD SOME OF THESE CONVERSATIONS ALREADY.

I'LL LET CHIEF TALK ABOUT THE, THE PROJECTION NUMBER, WHICH WILL GET US TO A SUMMARY HERE IN JUST A SECOND.

ABOUT ONE. RIGHT. SO ALL THE SPECIAL EVENTS THAT OCCUR DOWN THERE.

AND SO CARS ON FIFTH, IT'S A LOW ESTIMATE OF 35,000.

THEN WE HAVE THE LONG TABLE AND THE CHRISTMAS WALK RIGHT NOW.

THAT IS WE PASSED THE, THE BARRICADE COST ON TO THE EVENT PROMOTERS AND, AND SOMETIMES WE MAKE SHIFT WITH CARS AND ALL THOSE OTHER KIND OF THINGS, WHICH IS NOT THE IDEAL WAY TO, TO DO THIS. SO WHAT WE'VE DETERMINED IS 101 ARCHERS.

NOW, IF WE BUY THE 72, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE SHORT.

AND SO WE WOULD HAVE TO AUGMENT THAT SOMEHOW.

BUT EVENTUALLY WHEN WE DO HAVE BOLLARDS THERE, THEN YOU HAVE LESS NEED.

OR MAYBE WE HAVE X NUMBER OF BOLLARDS AND THEN THE ARCHERS CAN AUGMENT THAT.

SO IT'S A, IT'S GOING TO BE A CUSTOM BUILD IF YOU WILL.

BUT THIS IS HOW THE BOLLARDS LOOK. IT'S 332 BOLLARDS OR 101 ARCHERS.

NOW IF YOU DO, YOU KNOW THAT FINAL NUMBER MAY BE A MIX AND MATCH BASED ON THE DESIGN.

BUT THERE'S SOME AREAS THAT MAKE SENSE IN THE LONG RUN.

IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE EVENTS THERE.

AND WE WILL. AND IN ORDER TO HARDEN IT, IT ALSO BRINGS DOWN THE NUMBER OF STAFF THAT HAVE TO SIT NEXT TO A PATROL CAR JUST TO BE A BARRIER.

RIGHT NOW YOU HAVE YOU CAN HAVE THAT BE A ROVER.

AND MADAM MAYOR, THE REASON YOU'D SAY, WELL, WHY NOT BUY THEM ALL RIGHT NOW? SO FIRST OF ALL, CRA IS GOING TO MEET ON THE 26TH.

PART OF THE DISCUSSION IS THE REDESIGN REDESIGN OF FIFTH AVENUE.

AND SO EVEN IF THEY STARTED THE DESIGN ON THAT TOMORROW, WHICH THE DESIGN ALONE IS ESTIMATED TO BE $1.4 MILLION, YOU'RE NOT CONSTRUCTING IT FOR FOR THREE YEARS OUT AT LEAST.

SO MY ONLY POINT TO THAT IS, IS TO OVER BY ARCHER'S, WHICH IS EQUIPMENT THAT ARE PORTABLE.

WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW THE DESIGN YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, YOU MAY.

IF THE ONES ON THIRD WORK AND YOU HAVE THEM EMBEDDED IN THE STREETS, THAT'LL BE INCORPORATED INTO THAT.

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JUST A CLARIFICATION. IF YOU HAVE THE ARCHER'S, YOU DON'T NEED A CAR OR A BARRIER.

THE ARCHER'S ARE THE BARRIERS. SO IF YOU REMEMBER SEEING THEM ON, I JUST WANT TO CONFIRM.

SO WHEN. SO YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO BLOCK THAT ROAD AND THEN TO BACK TO CAMBRIA PARKWAY.

SO WE LEARN AND WE ADJUST. SO THE LAST TIME AROUND WHAT WE DO NOW IS WE MAY USE AN OFFICER AND PARTS OF CAMBIER PARKWAY SO WE CAN LET RESIDENTS IN AND OUT. SO, YOU KNOW, PLANS ADJUST AS YOU AS YOU PLAY.

AND SO THERE WILL ALWAYS BE SOME COMBINATION BECAUSE WE WANT TO ALLOW PEOPLE IN AND OUT.

SO ONE ACCESS FOR ACCESS. OKAY. BUT NOT IT'S NOT BECAUSE YOU NEED IT FOR PROTECTION.

CORRECT. THANK YOU. OKAY. MR.. SO AGAIN, I THINK WE'VE KIND OF HINTED AROUND WITH FIFTH AVENUE AND WHAT THE SOLUTION IS.

I DON'T KNOW IF I NEED TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE. NO, I THINK WE HAVE.

I THINK WE HAVE EVERYTHING THAT WE NEED RELATED TO THAT.

THEY'VE ALREADY HAD CONSENSUS BECAUSE THE FIFTH IS GOING TO BENEFIT FROM THE OTHER DECISIONS IN PART.

AND WE STILL HAVE OTHER DESIGN ELEMENTS ON FIFTH THAT WILL BE FORTHCOMING.

SO PERFECT. SO THERE'S YOUR SUMMARY WITH THE ARCHERS.

I'M NOT SURE IF WE EVEN NEED TO GO IN THERE, I THINK. I THINK CHIEF HAS TALKED ABOUT MOST OF THIS STUFF AND GAVE YOU THE SUMMARY HERE.

I MOVED INTO THE FRENCH BARRICADES. WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION ALREADY. I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO EXPAND THAT CONVERSATION.

SO I WILL MOVE US THROUGH. AND THAT BRINGS US TO THE SPECIAL EVENTS IN PARKS AND PUBLIC SPACES.

THIS IS A CALENDAR OVERVIEW. I PROVIDED THIS BEFORE AND THANK YOU TO STAFF.

THEY UPDATED THESE NUMBERS CURRENTLY 2026 SO FAR.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AND I THINK IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO HAVE I ADD THAT SLIDE, OR AT LEAST THE COLUMN THAT SAYS NUMBER OF WEEKENDS WITH NO SPECIAL EVENTS, ZERO ALL THE WAY DOWN. SO JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH, APRIL.

THERE ARE HEAVY MONTHS AS WELL AS NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER.

THOSE ARE THEY HAVEN'T BEEN CALCULATED YET BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T COME THROUGH.

SO EVENTS PERMITTED, 2025 PERMITTED. THAT'S 131.

THAT IS NOT INCLUDING WHEN YOU HAVE AN EVENT APPLICATION THAT SUBMITS AN APPLICATION, WHICH IS ONE IN THIS CASE FOR 20 DIFFERENT EVENTS. THAT'S THAT ADDS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT.

SO WE COUNT THAT IN, IN OUR WORLD AS HOW MANY DAYS DO WE HAVE EVENTS? AND YOU'VE SEEN AND YOU'VE HEARD THE NUMBER OVER 200 OVER 300.

THAT'S MORE IN THAT IN LINE. HOW MANY DAYS DO WE HAVE EVENTS IN THIS CITY THAT HAVE BEEN PERMITTED? THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS, 131 EVENTS PERMITTED IN 26 OF 73 SO FAR.

WE'VE KIND OF BACKED THEM DOWN A LITTLE BIT TRYING TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION.

THEN YOU LOOK AT SEVEN EVENTS OF 20,000 OR MORE ESTIMATED THREE EVENTS OF APPROXIMATELY 15,000.

MAJORITY OF EVENTS THAT WE HAVE ARE BETWEEN 1000 AND 10,000 ATTENDEES.

SO THEN YOU LOOK AT THE THE IMPACTS. AGAIN, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS CAMBIER PARK.

IT HAS A TENNIS CENTER. IT'S AN ENTERPRISE. WE HAVE A NORRIS CENTER.

IT'S UTILIZED FOR VARIOUS ACTIVITIES. WE HAVE CAMBIER PARK, WHICH HAS THE PLAYGROUND SOFTBALL FIELD.

YOU'VE GOT WALKING TRAILS, ALL OF THAT. ANYTIME WE HAVE AN EVENT, ESPECIALLY DEPENDING ON THE SIZE IT REALLY IMPACTS HOW PEOPLE USE THE PARK. AND I'LL PICK ON THEM BECAUSE HE'S, HE'S HERE AND, AND I LIKE HIM AND HE LIKES ME, I HOPE. BUT THE CHURCH, IT'S ABOUT A THOUSAND PEOPLE.

THAT'S EVERY SUNDAY. PEOPLE STILL ABLE TO PLAY ON THE PARK.

PEOPLE ARE STILL ABLE TO HAVE TENNIS TIMES AND SOFTBALL TEAMS ABLE TO PLAY.

ALL THAT STUFF'S ABLE TO OCCUR WHEN YOU MOVE INTO THE HIGHER NUMBERS, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT SHORTLY.

THIS IS WHERE THIS BECOMES THE PARK IMPACTS. FLEISCHMANN PARK AGAIN, I TALK ABOUT THAT.

I WON'T GO IN A WHOLE LOT OF DETAIL ON THAT, BUT EVENTS TAKING PLACE AT FLEISCHMANN PARK.

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SO ANY TIME THERE'S AN EVENT THAT TAKES PLACE THERE, WE HAVE TO RESCHEDULE.

CANCEL. THAT REALLY KIND OF PUTS A HINDRANCE ON A VERY TIGHT SCHEDULE ALREADY.

SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO RECOMMEND TO KIND OF MOVE AWAY FROM DOING EVENTS AT THAT LOCATION.

BAKER PARK PARKING. THAT'S PROBABLY THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE THAT YOU HAVE THERE.

IT ACTUALLY HAS MORE OPEN SPACE THAN ANY OTHER PARK THAT WE'VE GOT.

PUBLIC SPACE CAPACITIES. SO THERE'S A THERE'S A LOT OF PRIVATELY ORGANIZED EVENTS THAT ARE TOO LARGE FOR THE SPACE THAT THEY'RE IN.

I SAID THAT AT THE BEGINNING. THIS IS KIND OF WHERE WE'RE GOING BACK TO THAT DEVELOPING A CAPACITY FOR PARKS IS IT HELPS US TO ENSURE THE SPACE IS SAFE AND NOT OVERCROWDED. WE HAVE NORMAL USE OF THE PARK OR AT LEAST SOMEWHAT NORMAL USE OF THE PARK.

THEY REDUCE THE PARKING ISSUES THAT WE HAVE, REDUCE TRAFFIC ISSUES THAT WE HAVE, REDUCE THE DAMAGE TO THE PARK GROUNDS.

YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE TALK ABOUT THESE EVENTS AND I HAVE PEOPLE ASK ALL THE TIME, WHY CAN'T WE GET THE GRASS TO GROW OVER IN CAMBIER PARK? EVERY TIME WE HAVE AN EVENT, IT BEATS IT DOWN.

AND SIDON, EVERY SINGLE TIME WE HAVE AN EVENT IS NOT REALLY EFFICIENT.

AND IT'S NOT A SOMETHING THAT THAT IS PRACTICAL BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO LET THAT SIDE SET.

SO WE GET TO CAMBIER PARK AND THIS IS WHERE WE TALK ABOUT EVENTS THAT ALLOW THE PARK TO STILL FUNCTION AS A PARK. WE ESTIMATE A THOUSAND AND UNDER. SO IF WE HAVE AN EVENT THAT'S A THOUSAND PEOPLE AND UNDER, PEOPLE CAN PLAY ON THE PLAYGROUND, PEOPLE CAN DO NORMAL PARK STUFF AND STILL HAVE THE EVENT.

AGAIN, PICKING ON THE CHURCH, BUT THE CHURCH THOUSAND PARK CAPACITY RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MAXIMUM.

ANYTIME THAT WE GET INTO THAT 1500, REALLY OVER A THOUSAND, WE START TO IMPACT THE OPERATION OF THE PARK. THE SURROUNDING AREAS, THE PARKING, ETC.

3000 PEOPLE THAT PICTURE THAT'S TO THE RIGHT.

THAT WAS THE CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION. THAT WAS 3000 PEOPLE WHO WENT TO THE CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION.

IF YOU WENT. THAT WAS THAT WAS MAXED OUT. THAT WAS VERY FEW VENDORS TOO.

SO YOU HAD FIVE VENDOR TENTS WHERE A LOT OF THESE EVENTS HAVE 60, 70, 80, 90 VENDOR TENTS SPREAD IN HERE, WHICH THEN REDUCES THE SPACE EVEN MORE. SO WHEN WE SAY A THOUSAND TO A TO 3000, DEPENDING ON THE CONFIGURATION, THAT'S WHY WE SAY THAT AND MAKE THAT STATEMENT.

YEAH. IT'S THE ONLY THING I WANT TO ADD TO THIS SLIDE.

MAYOR IS JUST POINT OF CLARITY. THE REASON THE PURPOSE BEHIND THIS SLIDE IS TO, TO, TO RECOGNIZE IT AS A PARK THAT AT SOME POINT THE PASSIVE NUMBER OF IT BECOMES THE MOST IMPORTANT. AND THEN THE FREQUENCY OF HOW MUCH WE'RE GOING TO CAP THAT NUMBER AND NOT HAVE IT AS USE AS A PASSIVE PARK ANY LONGER, AS IS THE BIG NUMBERS FROM THERE.

BECAUSE IF YOU CAN HAVE 1000 EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR AND THE PARK STILL OPERATES ONCE WE'VE SECURED IT, IT'S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. BUT WHEN YOU BEGIN AGAIN, NOT THAT WE WANT THAT MANY.

I'M NOT TRYING TO INCREASE. WHAT I'M JUST SAYING IS, IS THE FREQUENCY TO WHICH WE EXCEED THAT CAPACITY.

I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT IT IF WE WANT TO BE IN A POSITION TO LIMIT IT AT SOME POINT TO TO NOT HAVE MORE THAN TWICE A MONTH OR TWO CONSECUTIVE WEEKENDS WHERE YOU CAN'T USE IT AS A PARK ANYMORE.

AND THAT'S REALLY THE KEY ABOUT THE PASSIVE PARK CAPACITY.

AND THEN THE REST OF THE CONVERSATION COMES, KIND OF FALLS INTO PLACE NOW.

NONE OF IT IS AN EASY DECISION. BUT THE QUESTION IS, IS, IS GIVEN WHAT WE WE HAVE THE USE OF THE PARK.

DO WE BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A IF THE IF THE CAPACITY IS 1000.

IF SOMEBODY WANTED A DEBATE 1200, WE COULD DO THAT.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY IS TO LIMIT THE FREQUENCY IN WHICH.

IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT UTILIZED AS A PASSIVE PARK.

THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO. THAT WAS THE POINT OF TRYING TO GET TO THIS SPECIFICALLY ON THIS SLIDE IS TO HAVE SOME DIALOG AND AGREEMENT AS TO WHAT THAT IS AND IF THERE IS ANY LIMITATIONS. AND IF YOU SAY, NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY LIMITATIONS, THEN THEN AT LEAST WE KNOW THAT GOING FORWARD.

NOW WE'RE JUST GOING TO SPECIFICALLY TALK ABOUT CAMBIER PARK.

OR WILL THIS BE. OKAY. WELL, I'LL TEE IT UP IF YOU WANT ME TO.

TO THE CAPACITY TO. YEAH, TO WHAT HE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT.

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THEY WANT EVENTS HERE EVERY DAY IF THEY COULD.

BUT FOR OUR CITIZENS, THE PEOPLE THAT USED TO PAY FOR THE PARKS WE HAD.

JUSTICE CHIEF AND I WERE AT A H O A LAST NIGHT AND I SAID, HERE'S WHAT I'M GOING TO PROPOSE TOMORROW.

AND IF ANYBODY DOES NOT LIKE THIS, LET ME KNOW RIGHT NOW BECAUSE LET'S, LET'S FIGURE OUT WHAT WE SHOULD DO.

AND I DID, HERE'S WHAT I PROPOSED. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, 26 WEEKENDS IF WE LET THEM HAVE TWO A MONTH, IT'LL BE 26 WEEKENDS, WHICH IF YOU COULD DO IT FRIDAY, SATURDAY, AND SUNDAY, THAT'D BE PLENTY OF EVENTS FOR US.

78 EVENTS. I BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE NO MORE THAN TWO A MONTH AND NO, NO, TWO CONSECUTIVE WEEKENDS AND A THOUSAND PEOPLE. MAX. NOW I WILL I ALSO SAID THIS, AND I FIRMLY BELIEVE THE CITY SPONSORED EVENTS SHOULD BE EXEMPT FROM THIS BECAUSE THERE'S THINGS THAT WE DO.

FOR EXAMPLE, THIS CELEBRATION THAT WAS FOR 100 YEAR ANNIVERSARY WHICH WOULD BE EXEMPT BECAUSE IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE SPONSORING IT IT'S THE THINGS THAT WE SPONSOR.

I'M GONNA SAY THIS. IT'S GONNA MAKE PEOPLE MAD. BUT I HAVE TO SAY IT. THE THINGS THAT WE SPONSOR ARE FOR THE ENJOYMENT TO BE AN AMENITY TO THE PEOPLE THAT PAY TAXES IN THE CITY OF NAPLES. THE EVENTS THAT WE ALLOW TO COME HERE, SINCE EVERYONE THINKS WE'RE AN EVENT VENUE, WHICH WE ARE NOT. THE THINGS THAT WE ALLOW TO COME HERE ARE FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE MONEY AND LEAVE TOWN, AND THAT IS NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY. OUR RESPONSIBILITY IS TO OUR CITIZENS TO ENJOY THE PARKS THEY PAY FOR, NOT FOR SOME I KNOW, SOME WE ALL LOVE WHATEVER ART SHOW.

I LOVE THEM TOO. BUT THOSE FOLKS COME HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE MONEY.

IF THEY THOUGHT THEY'D MAKE MORE MONEY, THEY'D BE IN IMMOKALEE, Y'ALL. SO.

BUT THAT'S NOT OUR. I WASN'T ELECTED BY THEM.

THEY DON'T PAY THE TAXES HERE. SO I COME FROM THE MINDSET THAT WE ARE NOT A SPECIAL EVENT VENUE, FULL STOP THAT OUR PARKS ARE FOR OUR CITIZENS TO ENJOY AND SPECIAL EVENTS ARE IMPEDING THAT CURRENTLY. THIS ALSO GOES WITH ROAD CLOSURES.

MAN, YOU LIVE DOWN HERE AND YOU GOT A. BY THE WAY, THE NEIGHBORHOOD WE ARE AT IS NOT DOWNTOWN AND THEY.

BUT THEY AGREE. AND PART OF IT IS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO USE THE PARKS.

I WILL SAY ONE COOL THING ABOUT THE CHURCH THOUGH, BY THE WAY. GREAT. IF YOU HAVEN'T BEEN, Y'ALL NEED TO GO. YOU GET TO HEAR THE BIBLE. THEY AIN'T FUDGING. THEY'RE TELLING. THE TRUTH IS THEY HAVE THE KIDS SECTION.

INSTEAD OF GOING TO LIKE A KID'S, THEY JUST GO OVER THERE AND THEY PLAY IN THE PARK. I MEAN, THEY'RE DOING BIBLE STUFF, THEY'RE GETTING BIBLE LESSON OR WHATEVER, BUT THEY'RE ALL TOGETHER. YOU CAN SEE YOUR KIDS OVER THERE AND IT'S JUST REALLY COOL. SO HAVING SAID ALL THAT, THAT'S FOR ME, THAT'S A STARTING PLACE. AND I DON'T LIKE SAYING WE'RE GOING TO GO TO 1200. I KNOW HUMAN NATURE.

I'M A HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER AND THEY'RE KNUCKLEHEADS AND THEY JUST GROW UP TO BE OLDER KNUCKLEHEADS.

AND SO IF YOU SAY 1000, IT'S GOING TO BE 1200.

AND IF YOU SAY 1200, IT'S GOING TO BE 1500. AND THAT'S HOW THAT THING WORKS. AND WE'D HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY WITH A CLICKER AND SOME SORT OF PUTTING A TAG ON SOMEBODY TO FOLLOW THEM AROUND, MAKE SURE THEY WEREN'T EXCEEDING THE NUMBERS THAT WE WERE ALLOWING. AND I SEE EVERYBODY ON STAFF HERE SHAKING THEIR HEADS GOING, YES, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS. SO THAT'S MY PART. CAN I JUST CONFIRM ONE THING YOU SAID? SURE. TWO, NO, TWO CONSECUTIVE WEEKENDS. YEP.

WHAT DID YOU SAY AFTER THAT? BEFORE? I SAID CITY SPONSORED EVENT.

WELL, CITY SPONSORED EVENTS WOULD BE EXEMPT FROM WHATEVER WE SAY. I KNOW, BUT BEFORE THAT, I SAID NO MORE THAN TWO IN A MONTH. RIGHT? AND NO TWO CONSECUTIVE WEEKENDS.

MAYOR, CAN I CLARIFY? WOULD THAT BE EVENTS THAT ARE LARGER THAN 1000? SO I DON'T WANT THIS LARGER THAN 1000 ANYWAY.

YEAH. I DON'T WANT ANY EVENTS. I JUST I DON'T WANT ANY EVENTS LARGER THAN 1000.

SO NO TWO CONSECUTIVE WEEKENDS AND NO. TWO. CORRECT THE CARS ON FIFTH.

PEOPLE JUST PUT A HIT OUT ON ME. SO MAYOR, CAN I SAY SOMETHING REAL QUICK, MR. MCCONNELL? YEAH. THANK YOU. AND I APPRECIATE THE PASTOR BEING HERE.

BUT AGAIN, THIS CONVERSATION IS GENERAL. WE'RE NOT TALKING WE'RE NOT HERE TALKING ABOUT SPECIFIC EVENTS.

WE'RE NOT THINKING OF NUMBERS TO ALLOW SPECIFIC EVENTS AND NOT ALLOW SPECIFIC EVENTS.

WE ARE JUST HAVING A GENERAL POLICY ON WHAT THE LIKE, MR. YOUNG SAID, WHAT TRANSFORMS THE PARK FROM A PASSIVE PARK WHERE PEOPLE CAN STILL USE IT AS A PARK TO A SPECIAL EVENT VENUE? RIGHT? SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, WHEN IT COMES TO CITY SPONSORED EVENTS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG,

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CITY SPONSORED EVENTS AND CITY EVENTS ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY CITY EVENTS.

OR ARE YOU BECAUSE I'D PREFER TO NOT NEEDS TO BE CLARIFIED.

YEAH. BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE GETTING DIRECTION TO DRAFT A MANUAL TO BRING BACK TO YOU AND I UNDERSTOOD.

SO TELL ME IN YOUR MIND WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN THE TWO A CO-SPONSOR VERSUS.

SO I'M NOT THINKING. SO I GUESS THAT WOULD BE THE THING CO-SPONSOR VERSUS ONE THAT WE CONTROL ALL THE PROGRAMING, LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, THE CHRISTMAS PARADE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IS A CITY EVENT.

THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT. THE 4TH OF JULY PARADE, THE FIREWORKS.

WHY DON'T WE HAVE THOSE STAFF? I DON'T MEAN NO.

I'D ACTUALLY PREFER WE DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT SPECIFIC THING RIGHT NOW AT ALL, IF POSSIBLE.

YEAH. I'D PREFER TO JUST FOCUS ON WHAT STAFF IS IS PROVIDING TO YOU, WHICH IS THE CAPACITY LEVEL OF WHAT TRANSFORMS THE PARK FROM A PASSIVE PARK TO A SPECIAL EVENT VENUE. OKAY. IF WE COULD. YEP. THEN I'LL WITHDRAW THAT PART AND WE'LL SAY TWO PER MONTH.

REALLY AND NONCONSECUTIVE AND THOUSAND PEOPLE, MAX.

AND THAT WE ARE NOT A SPECIAL EVENT VENUE. OKAY, THAT'LL BE THE END OF IT.

COUNCILMAN SCHULTZ, I'D LIKE TO BUTTON IT DOWN EVEN FURTHER.

ONLY A CITY RESIDENT CAN PULL AN APP TO TIE UP ANY CITY PROPERTY.

WELL, THAT'S LOVELY, BUT THAT'S IN A BIGGER WORLD.

WE ARE ONE BIG COMMUNITY. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU CAN HAVE AN EVENT AND A PARK AND SAY ONLY A CITIZEN THAT'S A RESIDENT TAXPAYER. CAN I BE A WHOLE NOTHER CONVERSATION? WELL, I'VE BEEN TRYING TO INCORPORATE SINCE ONLY CERTAIN PEOPLE ARE ALLOWED TO SPEAK AT TIMES HERE. I'M LOOKING AT THIS.

WHETHER SOMEONE LIKES WHAT I HAVE TO SAY OR NOT, IT'S ANOTHER MATTER AT THE END OF THE DAY.

WE ARE HERE BECAUSE THE RESIDENTS, TAXPAYERS ELECTED US AND PAY THE BILLS FOR THIS CITY.

AND IF WE DON'T START GIVING THE RESIDENT AND TAXPAYERS FIRST PRIORITY ON THE CITY RESOURCES.

THEN WHAT ARE WE DOING? WHEN YOU GO AROUND ANYWHERE, PEOPLE DON'T SAY, LET'S COME DOWN TO COLLIER COUNTY, LET'S GO TO COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA. WE'RE GOING TO GO TO NAPLES.

IN NAPLES HAS EXPANDED SO WIDE AS TO TO DO THAT.

I THINK WE'RE LOSING SIGHT SOMETIMES OF WHO DO WE SERVE AND WHY DO WE SERVE THEM? IT'S THE RESIDENT TAXPAYERS. AND THAT IS A SERIOUS ELEMENT.

WE'RE CONSIDERING ALL SORTS OF THINGS HERE. AND COUNCILMAN KRAMER'S ONTO A GOOD IDEA ON HOW TO LIMIT SOME OF THESE THINGS.

BUT CARS ON FIFTH IS A WHOLE DIFFERENT ANIMAL.

AND THERE'S A POLICE REPORT ON IT SOMETIME IN SEPTEMBER DISSECTING WHAT THAT IS.

AND THAT'S GOTTEN SO BIG WE NEED TO SEND IT SOMEWHERE ELSE.

IT DOESN'T BENEFIT THE RESIDENT TAXPAYERS. OKAY.

THAT MATTERS. OKAY. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE OTHER, BIGGER ISSUES THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I WANT TO GET THROUGH WHAT STAFF HAS ASKED.

I MEAN, I HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS I WANT THAT'S NOT IN THIS POWERPOINT ALSO TO DISCUSS.

SO IF YOU COULD, LET'S JUST STAY FOCUSED IN ON THE PRESENTATION NOW.

AND I KNOW THERE ARE BIGGER THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S A BIG CONVERSATION TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN EVENT AND ONLY A CITY TAXPAYER COULD COME.

NO, THEY PULL THE PERMIT. THEY'RE THE ONES WHO RESERVE IT.

THAT'S WHAT I SAID. WHO PULLED THE PERMITS? NOT JUST CITY RESIDENTS CAN ATTEND IT, BUT THE ONE WHO PULLS THE PERMIT SHOULD BE SOMEBODY WHO PAYS A TAX BILL HERE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO GET ONE POINT OF CLARITY SO THAT I, I THINK I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T IF WE TALK ABOUT LIMITING THAT. SO THAT'S ALMOST A STATEMENT OF YOU CAN'T RENT IT AT ALL MORE THAN TWO TIMES.

I THINK THEY'LL BE. THE POINT OF THAT IS IF ALL I WANT TO DO IS HAVE A 200 PEOPLE AT THE BAND SHELL AND IT'S NOT CHANGING THE PARK DYNAMICS, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU WANT TO GO.

COACH. SO I JUST WANTED TO I UNDERSTAND A CERTAIN NUMBER BEYOND IT, BUT BUT WHEN YOU SAY IF YOU'RE SAYING I DON'T WANT ANY SPACE IN IT OCCUPIED MORE THAN TWICE A MONTH, I JUST WANT TO GET CLARITY, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE'VE SIGNED HERE AS TO WHAT'S A PASSIVE AND NOT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I GOT CLARITY ON THAT. I'D SAY THAT'S NOT THE CASE, BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY I'M NOT SURE IF OUR NUMBERS ARE RIGHT.

I MEAN, A THOUSAND PEOPLE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE AND OKAY, I JUST WANTED TO GET CLARITY ON THAT.

SO YOU COULD USE THE PLAYGROUND TO BE ARAB AND, AND SOFTBALL FIELD.

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CORRECT. I GET IT. SO THAT THAT IS WHAT YOU MEANT.

I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE ON THAT. OKAY. KARL AND THEN BENJAMIN.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, OUR DISCUSSION TODAY REALLY SHOULD BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT CAPACITY EACH AREA CAN CAN HOLD.

AND IF WE'RE SAYING 1000 IN CANBERRA, FOR EXAMPLE THIS ISN'T GOING TO AFFECT THE RESIDENTS FROM USING THE PARK, THEN WE SHOULDN'T LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF EVENTS OR WHATEVER. THAT SHOULD BE MORE SUBJECTIVE.

OR WE COULD CAP IT A TOP NUMBER. BUT RESIDENTS LIKE EVENTS TOO.

I MEAN, THEY, YOU LIVE HERE. A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE GOING TO THE EVENTS.

SO I DON'T WANT TO ANTI EVENT STANCE HERE, BUT MORE FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, CAPACITY REASONS.

THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I THINK OUR INTEREST SHOULD REALLY LIE. SO IF CAMBIAR CAN HOLD 1000 PEOPLE AT AN EVENT AND IT DOESN'T AFFECT THE PLAY AREA, THE SOFTBALL, THE EVEN THE GRASSY AREA, IT'S REALLY THAT MULCHED AREA THAT'S AFFECTING.

THEN WHAT'S THE HARM REALLY? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, EVENTS ARE POSITIVE.

PEOPLE WANT EVENTS TOO. AND AND THIS COMING ANTI EVENT IS REALLY GOING TO BE A NEGATIVE IN MY OPINION.

WELL I'D JUST LIKE TO THANK MY COLLEAGUE FOR REMINDING ME THAT THAT IS A MULTI SPOT.

AND THAT'S TRUE. AND SO I WILL REPHRASE TO SAY YEAH THEY IF IT'S A THOUSAND FOLKS THEY CAN FIT IN THE MULTI AREA AND THE REST.

YEAH. AND THAT SHOULD JUST BE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SAYING. OKAY. WELL THEN IT SORT OF BEGS THE QUESTION I CAN BE COACHED WELL.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU CAN HAVE AN EVENT IN THE CAMBIAR BANDSHELL? PLUS YOU CAN HAVE AN ART EVENT IN THE. NO, I'M SAYING TO BE ONE EVENT AT A TIME, BUT MAYBE.

BUT IT COULD BE AN ART OF ART EVENT OR A BANDSHELL EVENT.

IT DIDN'T MATTER. BUT IF IT'S LIKE YOU'RE SAYING, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S GRASS THAT PEOPLE ARE. IT'S IT'S THE MULCHED AREA, RIGHT? YEAH, IT'S THE MULCH AREA. YEAH. LIKE THAT WILL FIT EASILY. THAT WILL FIT.

OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. THANKS. THANK YOU.

SCHULTZ, WITH WITH AN ART FAIR, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU MAY HAVE 5 TO 7000 PEOPLE FROM 10:00 IN THE MORNING WHEN IT OPENS UNTIL FIVE IN THE EVENING THAT THEY COME AND THEY GO, THEY COME AND THEY GO.

THAT CAPACITY COULD BE 25,000 THAT ARE NEVER THERE AT ONE TIME.

I'M JUST SAYING YOU NEED TO FACTOR IN THE EBB AND FLOW OF THE CROWD.

EXACTLY. AND SO I THINK THAT MATTERS. SO IT'S NOT ABOUT BEING ANTI EVENT.

IT'S JUST WHAT IS NAPLES. IT'S OUR TOWN. OKAY.

COACH, I THINK YOU MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT RAISING FUNDS AND HOW WHAT WHAT PRECISELY DID YOU SAY ABOUT THAT? DID YOU FEEL THAT THE PUBLIC PARK SHOULD NOT BE USED FOR RAISING FUNDS FOR.

NO, I'M JUST TRYING TO DRAW A DISTINCTION OF WHO WE SERVE. KIND OF LIKE MR. SCHULZ. LIKE, AND I AGREE, OUR CITIES, WE LIKE TO DO STUFF.

I LIKE TO GO TO STUFF THERE. SURE. BUT BUT THAT'S NOT OUR JOB TO HELP PEOPLE HAVE AN EVENT VENUE, WHICH IS WHICH GETS TO THE BIGGER VENUES IN MY MIND. AT SOME POINT, THE JEWS PROBABLY WON'T BE WORTH THE SQUEEZE FOR SOME OF THESE FOLKS WHO WANT TO PUT ON SOMETHING AND THEY SAY, WELL, IT'S ONLY GOING TO BE A THOUSAND PEOPLE. I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. WHICH IS FINE WITH ME. THAT'S WORKS.

BUT YOU'RE NOT SAYING DEFINITIVELY NO, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE RAISING SO MUCH MONEY THROUGH NONPROFITS FOR FOLKS THAT I UNDERSTAND.

I JUST CAN'T. COULD I INTERJECT SOMETHING? SURE.

AS AN EXAMPLE. SO WE HAVE WE ARE THE NAPLES ART INSTITUTE.

THEY DO ART EVENTS. YES. BUT THEN THERE IS A COMPANY THAT CAME IN AND WE WON'T USE NAMES.

THAT CAME IN AND WANTED TO USE THE PARK, RIGHT? SO WE SAID NO BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO LIMIT THE AMOUNT OF PARK OF EVENTS.

AND SO THEY JUST WENT AND GOT A, AN EVENT PERMIT TO DO IT DOWNTOWN.

THAT'S RIGHT. SO IF WE HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL, I THINK EVENTS, WHEN YOU SAY IN GENERAL EVENTS, WE NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON, ON, ON THOSE EVENTS.

AND IT COULD BE THE HOLIDAYS, YOU KNOW, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S A BIGGER CONVERSATION THAN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I LIKE WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO RIGHT NOW. I'M JUST TRYING TO STAY FOCUSED ON CAMBIAR, RIGHT? OKAY. SO, BUT IF WE, IF RELATIVE TO WHAT YOU'RE JUST SAYING, THE, THE PURVEYOR THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT IS, I'M GOING TO SAY A TRANSIENT PERSON. IN OTHER WORDS, HE DOES THESE SHOWS ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES.

SO THAT THAT MAKES IT FAIRLY. YEAH. IF WE KEEP IT LOCAL, THEN I THINK WE'VE SOLVED A LOT OF PROBLEMS.

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CHAD. I BELIEVE MAYBE THIS PAST WEEKEND. IT WAS RECENT ANYWAY.

YEAH. AND I'M A RESIDENT. I WENT TO THAT, I WENT TO THAT SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE I WANTED TO GO TO THAT.

IT WAS AT CAMBIAR. I DROVE MY CAR DOWN HERE, PARKED SO I COULD GO TO THAT ART SHOW.

SO AND I HAVE A SNEAKING SUSPICION IT WAS MORE THAN 1000 PEOPLE.

MOST LIKELY. OKAY, SO WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST IS MAYBE, MAYBE AN AMENDMENT TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF LEEWAY FROM A STANDPOINT OF, OKAY, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S FOCUS OUR APPLICATIONS TO THAT 1000 PERSON NUMBER, BUT MAYBE ALLOW ONE EVENT A MONTH OR TWO EVENTS A MONTH THAT WOULD EXCEED THAT AND WOULD BE CONSIDERED FOR AN EVENT WITH AN APPLICATION THAT SAYS, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE 3000 BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S AN EVENT THAT MAYBE THAT'S BEEN HERE FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS, THAT IT'S WELL RECEIVED BY THE COMMUNITY, AND THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO HAVE IT ON A REGULAR BASIS.

MAYBE WE NEED TO MAKE SURE GIVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO INCORPORATE SOME OF THOSE OTHER LARGER EVENTS THAT STILL WORK, BY THE WAY, BECAUSE AGAIN, I WAS IN THERE AND THERE WAS PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW, 60 VENDORS, EACH ONE OF THEM HAD A TENT. I WAS IN THERE WITH MY WIFE, AND WE WERE NOT ARM IN ARM WITH EVERYBODY.

WE WERE NOT ELBOWING PEOPLE TO GET IN THERE. EVEN SOME OF THE TENTS THAT WE WENT IN AND HAD TO WALK AROUND INSIDE THE TENT.

YEAH, I MIGHT HAVE HAD TO TURN SIDEWAYS TO GET BY SOMEONE, BUT IT WAS NOT.

IT WAS NOT PACKED. AND I KNOW THAT IT WAS SIGNIFICANTLY MORE THAN 1000 PEOPLE.

SO THAT'S THAT SPACE IN CAMBIAR THAT WAS NOT AT ITS, I'M GOING TO CALL IT CAPACITY FROM A STANDPOINT THAT IT WAS STILL COMFORTABLE FOR ME.

AND BY THE WAY, I AM NOT PETITE. WHAT? YEAH. IT'S TRUE, IT'S TRUE.

I'M I'M A HEALTHY, HEALTHY INDIVIDUAL AND I WAS ABLE TO WALK THROUGH THERE JUST FINE.

AND IT WAS IT WAS NICE. SO SO THERE'S THE SECOND FACTOR THAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THESE.

LIMITING THESE EVENTS IN CAMBIAR IS AS TO SCHOLZ COMMENT, A THOUSAND PEOPLE AT ONE TIME IS NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING WHEN YOU HAVE A TWO DAY EVENT FROM 9 TO 5 AND, YOU KNOW, USING THAT SAME EVENT AS, AS AN EXAMPLE YOU KNOW, YEAH, THEY MIGHT HAVE HAD, I DON'T KNOW, 9000 PEOPLE WALK THROUGH THERE IN TWO DAYS, BUT THE MAXIMUM CAPACITY IN ANY GIVEN HOUR WAS PROBABLY 2000.

AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ALL JUST WILD GUESSES, BUT JUST BASED ON ME BEING THERE.

BUT IT WAS NOT THERE WASN'T NINE. THERE WERE NOT 9000 PEOPLE STANDING THERE AT ONE POINT IN TIME TRYING TO LOOK AT A PIECE OF ART.

SO YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION HOW LONG THE EVENT IS, IF IT'S MORE THAN TWO DAYS AND, AND, AND MAYBE IT IS AN HOURLY CAPACITY TYPE OF FIGURE THAT WE NEED TO TRY TO, TO USE, YOU KNOW, TRY TO, YOU KNOW, FIGURE OUT A FORMULA THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE.

BUT AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW, I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO THE EXPERTS TO SIT DOWN AND PUT THEIR, PUT THEIR NOGGINS TOGETHER AND FIGURE OUT THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT.

YES. SO, I MEAN, YOU STARTED TALKING ABOUT THAT EVENT YOU WENT TO FUNDS, OUR ARTS COUNCIL.

MOST ARE MONEY FOR SURVIVAL COMES FROM 2 OR 3 ART EVENTS THAT THEY DO EVERY YEAR.

AND THAT'S THAT BEING ONE OF THEM. AND THAT'S THE SCHOOL THAT PROVIDES CLASSES FOR, FOR THE KIDS, YOU KNOW, ART CLASSES, ALL THAT AND THE COMMUNITY.

AS LONG AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME EVENT, WHICH IS THE JURIED EVENT, THE ART, THE ART SHOW WAS THE ART SHOW.

THERE'S A LOT OF ART SHOWS. YEAH, THEY DO, BUT THEY DO ABOUT 2 OR 3 A YEAR, I BELIEVE.

AND THAT'S WHERE THEIR MAJOR FUNDING COMES FROM TO KEEP THE LIGHTS ON IN THE PLACE.

SO WE NEED IMPORTANT THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CONSIDERED FOR THE COMMUNITY.

AS WE'RE DETERMINING, WE GOT TO GIVE OUR EVENT PLANNERS FLEXIBILITY. WE CAN'T WE CAN'T SAY ONE NUMBER AND THAT'S IT.

I THINK WE HAVE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WE'D LIKE TO SEE A THOUSAND, BUT IN SOME CASES THAT THERE'S MORE TRANSIENT PEOPLE AND IT'S NOT GOING TO YOU KNOW, IT MAY GO INTO THE GRASSY AREA OF THE PARK, BUT A FEW TIMES A YEAR WE HAVE IT THAT GIVE SOME FLEXIBILITY TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE VOLUME.

I BELIEVE THAT THE ONLY WAY THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THIS AND YES, MR. YOUNG, I WILL IS THAT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE EVENTS ARE AND WHAT'S HAPPENING FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THAT AND BE ABLE TO MAKE, I MEAN, WE CAN MAKE BLANKET DECISIONS, BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THE MINUTE WE MAKE A BLANKET DECISION, WHICH I HAVE TALKED TO MR. YOUNG ABOUT, THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN AND SAY, BUT THAT'S MY EVENT.

I'VE HAD THAT. SO WE NEED TO BE VERY THOUGHTFUL IN HOW WE'RE MAKING THESE BLANKET DECISIONS.

MR. YOUNG YEAH, AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT WHY I WAS TRYING TO GIVE SOME PUSHBACK TO MR. KRAMER WHEN HE NARROWED. I THINK MR. BARTON AND MR. COLE HAVE WHAT I ENVISIONED BY THE SECOND PIECE OF THIS, WHICH IS TO SAY IT'S BETWEEN 1000 AND 3000 AND LIMITING THE FREQUENCY.

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BUT IF WE DON'T BEGIN SOMEWHERE, WE NEVER LIMIT THE FREQUENCY.

AND SO FROM MY STANDPOINT, THE KEY TO THAT, THAT SLIDE IS DEPENDING ON CONFIGURATION, CONFIGURATION AND ATTENDANCE.

IS IT ALL AT ONCE? IS IT ONE EVENT? IS IT OVER A PERIOD OF TIME THAT WORKS HAND IN HAND? SO IT GIVES SOME FLEXIBILITY BETWEEN THE ONE AND THREE.

AND IT MAY HAVE NEVER BEEN MORE THAN 2000. BUT THAT CAN THAT CAN BE CAN BE IT WASHES ITSELF OUT AND WE'LL KNOW THOSE EVENTS THAT FALL UNDER THAT CATEGORY.

I DO THINK THOUGH, IF WE CAN AGREE THAT WE HAVE SOME THAT WE'RE.

AND AGAIN, REGARDLESS OF THE EVENT, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE TYPE OF EVENT. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CAPACITY TO WHICH IT STILL FUNCTIONS WELL IN THE PARK.

THEN I THINK THAT THAT LEAVING THAT FLEXIBILITY FOR US, BUT ALSO RECOGNIZING IT IMPACTS OUR CITIZENS AND LIMITING IT IN SOME CAPACITY, WHETHER IT'S CONSECUTIVE WEEKS, WHETHER IT'S WHATEVER.

WE'VE GOT TO TAKE STEP ONE, WHICH IS LIMITING THAT, NARROWING THAT WINDOW THAT EVERYBODY BELIEVES THAT THEY CAN STILL CONTINUE TO, TO, TO COME HERE FOR THAT. AND, AND JUST IT'S THE FREQUENCY OF IT IN THE PARK.

AND SO I THINK THAT'S WHY THE SLIDE WAS PRESENTED THAT WAY.

I THINK IT TRIES TO OFFER THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS, WHICH IS DOESN'T CUT ANYTHING OFF TO START WITH, BUT IT ALSO IT ALSO RECOGNIZES THAT WE HAVE IT BEING USED AS AN EVENT, NOT JUST A PARK MORE FREQUENTLY THAN WE DESIRE.

THAT'S. I HOPE THAT SUMMARIZES. SO I THINK I THINK I'M STILL ON THE POSITION I.

AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE DATA AND I THINK ABOUT THE THINGS THAT WERE SAID, I THINK THAT NUMBER GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY BETWEEN THE ONE AND THREE TO SAY WE CAN STILL FUNCTION. BUT RECOGNIZING AS SOON AS YOU HIT FREQUENCY, SOMEBODY'S GOING TO BE UPSET.

BUT WE'VE GOT TO AT LEAST START SOMEWHERE WITH WHAT DO WE WANT THE PARK TO OPERATE LIKE? JUST IN A MATTER OF MANAGING THE TIME. SO I UNDERSTAND BAKER PARK IS THE OTHER PARK WE'RE GOING TO TOUCH ON. AND THEN LET ME JUST SAY THIS MAYOR I HAVE EXPECTATIONS OF THIS EVENT, WHICH WAS TO GET SECURITY PROFILES AND GET THINGS DONE IF WE CAN.

I'D RATHER STAY FOCUSED ON CAMBIAR, NOT GET TO BAKER.

I THE BIGGEST PARK WE HAVE IN USAGE IS CAMBIAR, AND GETTING A CONSENSUS ON WHAT CAMBIAR THRESHOLDS ARE ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN TALKING ABOUT BAKER AND FLEISHMAN BECAUSE WE'RE. AS I INDICATED WHEN WE STARTED THIS.

THIS ISN'T OUR LAST DISCUSSION. IT IS ACTUALLY A PIVOTAL ONE, BUT BUT CAMBIAR IS REALLY, IF WE CAN GET CONSENSUS ON, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT WITH TWO CAVEATS.

OKAY. WITH THE AMOUNT OF BECAUSE OF SECURITY COSTS AND THAT HAVE BEEN MOVED FROM CAMBIAR TO BAKER.

AND I'M OKAY TO HOLD OFF TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT WE CAN'T KEEP CONTINUING TO MOVE CAMBIAR EVENTS TO BAKER BECAUSE BAKER WASN'T SUPPOSED TO BE IN EVENTS PARK, WHICH IT IS NOW.

SO THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT. MAYOR. SO I AGREE.

LET'S JUST DO BAKER AND HAVE THAT BACK AND FORTH DIALOG.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO GET IT RESOLVED BECAUSE WE DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND THE, THE EVENTS THAT ARE ACTUALLY HAPPENING IN ONE WEEK.

FOR ME TO UNDERSTAND THAT. I MEAN, THE CONSEQUENCES IF WE GO WITH THIS LIMITED AMOUNT OF 1000, WHICH I, I COULD SAY, YES, I SUPPORT THAT. I MEAN, DO YOU SUPPORT THAT? I WOULD I WOULD SUPPORT MORE FLEXIBILITY. YOU KNOW, FOR FOR MORE, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN A THOUSAND BECAUSE LET'S SAY YOU HAVE A HOLIDAY EVENT ONCE A YEAR THAT THAT THE VOLUME GOES FROM 1000 TO THE 1500 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED SOME FLEXIBILITY IN THAT, RIGHT? SO HERE WE GO. THIS IS HOW WE LAST TIME DIDN'T GET ANYWHERE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, NOT THAT EVENT, BUT WE COULD CAP IT. WE COULD CAP IT ON THIS 3000.

BUT WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH THE HOLIDAY EVENT.

HOW MANY PEOPLE GO TO THE HOLIDAY EVENT? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE PARADE? NO. HE MENTIONED THAT ANYBODY CAN HAVE EVENT AND BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAYS ARE HERE, WE'LL SAY THE CHRISTMAS CAROLS.

BUT I THINK I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER ON ME. OKAY, SO THIS IS WHERE I WANT TO STAY.

STAY FOCUSED IN THE QUANTITY OF. AND SO THE RANGE AND THE FREQUENCY OF THEM IS, IS THE KEY HERE.

I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT HE'S REFERRING TO THE CAMBIER PARK CAROLS AND THAT IF THAT THAT MOVED TO SUGDEN.

SO SIZE MATTERS. WE CAN'T JUST FOR A MINUTE. WE.

RIGHT NOW WE'RE HAVING A GENERAL POLICY DISCUSSION.

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I GET THAT. SO. SO ANY DISCUSSION? MY ADVICE AS YOUR CITY ATTORNEY, THE PATH WE'RE GOING DOWN RIGHT NOW.

WE SHOULD JUST FOCUS ON WHAT STAFF IS PROPOSING.

IF WE CAN'T MAKE DECISIONS RIGHT NOW ON THE CAPACITY LEVEL, THEN LET'S PUNT IT.

YOU'VE ALREADY GIVEN GARY THE. NO, NO, NO, I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

LET ME. I HEAR YOU, AND I'M GOING TO KEEP GOING DOWN THE ROAD.

MR. COULD YOU SAY A THOUSAND? BUT WITH THE CAVEAT THAT YOUR WHICH WHICH AND WE COULD CAP THE MANY EVENTS THAT HAVE THAT EXTRA CAPACITY. BUT WE COULD CAP THE AMOUNT OF EVENTS, BUT WE NEED A VARIANCE IN ATTENDANCE TO WORK WITH.

SO. SO I WOULD SAY 1000 TO 3000. OH, AND I'D SAY, YOU KNOW, 150 EVENTS A YEAR.

I'M JUST THROWING OUT NUMBERS. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT'S THE RIGHT NUMBER OR NOT. AND OF THAT 150 SO MANY CAN BE, YOU KNOW, HIGH, HIGH, HIGHER VOLUME EVENTS. SO WE COULD DECIDE ON THAT.

SO THERE'S TWO THINGS. DO YOU WANT TO PASSIVE PARK OR DO YOU WANT A MAXIMUM DENSITY PARK BECAUSE MAXIMUM DENSITY IS FROM 1000 TO 3000. AND IF WE'RE GOING DOWN THE ROAD THAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS LESS EVENTS AND NOT AS LARGE BECAUSE THEY'RE PARKING EVERYWHERE, THEN IT WOULD BE THE FIRST. AND THAT IS LIKE, LET'S SAY A THOUSAND.

AND THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE A MAYBE THREE TIMES A YEAR, A SWELL EVENT, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT IN THAT NUMBER.

THAT'S WHY CAPPING THOSE NUMBER OF EVENTS. I THINK THE RESIDENTS CAN LIVE WITH A FEW DAYS OUT OF THE YEAR, YOU KNOW? OR MAYBE 20, 30 DAYS OUT OF THE YEAR WILL ALLOW A NICE EVENT THAT'S BENEFITING THE LIKE, LIKE A LOCAL ARTS COUNCIL OR, OR A LOCAL THEATER OR A CHARITY.

WELL, YOU KNOW, ANY KIND OF THERE ARE THINGS IN THERE THAT, THAT WE, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE FLEXIBILITY ON BECAUSE THOSE, THOSE EVENTS ARE VERY IMPORTANT TO THE COMMUNITY. OKAY.

AND THEY CAN BE RELOCATED TOO. IF IT'S A PROBLEM, BUT INTO A BIGGER VENUE LIKE FIFTH AVENUE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT, BUT LET'S, LET'S TRYING TO JUST NARROW IT DOWN TO, LET'S TRY AND GET TO A PASSIVE PARK OR GET TO A MAXIMUM CAPACITY PARK.

WOULD YOU PREFER TO HAVE A PASSIVE. I LIKE THE IDEA OF HAVING THE THOUSAND TYPE OF EVENTS WITH A THOUSAND THAT REALLY DON'T IMPACT THE PARK THAT MUCH.

OKAY. OKAY, BUT I THINK WE SHOULD ALLOW MAYBE 30 OR WHATEVER, 30 TO 50 EVENTS THAT ARE MAYBE A LITTLE LESS THAT THAT WILL ENCROACH MORE INTO THE GRASS AREA OF THE PARK, AND WE'LL HAVE MORE OF AN IMPACT.

SO THAT NEEDS MORE DISCUSSION IF WE'RE GOING TO GO THAT WAY. BUT THANK YOU.

OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I HAVE IN MY OPINION, STANDS, WHICH WAS I'M OKAY WITH THE THOUSAND AS FAR AS THE REGULAR APPLICATIONS GO, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE, WE'LL CALL IT TWO A MONTH THAT WOULD EXCEED THAT.

KRAMER. I THINK WHAT HE SAID WILL DO, YOU KNOW, 1000 THE NUMBERS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF, AND THEN THAT'D BE 26 WEEKENDS A YEAR WHERE THE NUMBER MAY EXCEED THAT, NOT NECESSARILY EXCEED IT, BUT MAY EXCEED IT FLEXIBILITY.

COUNCILMAN SCHULZE I STILL THINK THAT RESIDENCY I'M PULLING THE PERMIT MATTERS.

I'M SORRY. RESIDENCY ON PULLING A PERMIT TO HAVE AN EVENT MATTERS.

OKAY. AND SO PASSIVE IN MY MIND. OKAY. THANK YOU.

CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES. I'M SORRY, BUT ALONG THAT LINE.

I'M SORRY, MISS LINDA, I'M WONDERING FROM OUR COUNCIL.

COULD WE DO THAT? COULD WE SAY YOU CANNOT PULL A PERMIT FOR EVENT IN CITY OF NAPLES UNLESS YOU'RE A CITIZEN? I'VE ALREADY WRITTEN IT DOWN TO LOOK INTO. OKAY, BECAUSE I'M FOR THAT TOO, IF THAT'S LEGAL.

WELL, AND REMEMBER, THIS IS THE FIRST OF MANY STEPS BECAUSE THE MANUAL STILL HAS TO BE UPDATED.

SURE. DRAFTED AND PRESENTED TO YOU. SO YEAH, BUT I ABSOLUTELY WILL LOOK INTO THAT.

THANK YOU GENTLEMEN. A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION, QUITE FRANKLY, FOR ME, I'D LIKE TO KNOW, I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE BID ABOUT HOW THE SPECIAL EVENTS AFFECT THEM, WHETHER POSITIVELY OR NEGATIVELY.

AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE CONTIGUOUS NEIGHBORS.

I HEARD FROM CONTIGUOUS NEIGHBORS BEFORE WHERE THEY CAN'T GET OUT OF THEIR OWN DRIVEWAY.

SO FOR ME, THERE NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE INFORMATION.

I NEED TO KNOW HOW THE HOW THE BID BENEFITS ARE NOT.

AND I NEED TO HEAR FROM THE NEIGHBORS HOW THEY ARE IMPACTED.

SO THESE THIS IS A PERFECT TIME SINCE WE'RE ON CAMERA TO GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT, SINCE WE'VE GOT A CONSENSUS HERE.

SO I HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT AND THAT IS MEG STEFANI.

STEFANIA WITH THE BID I THOUGHT I HAD OTHER. DO I HAVE ANY.

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THANK YOU FOR COMING BACK. HI. YES. THANK YOU.

FOR THE RECORD, I'M MEG STEPANIAN. I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR THE FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH BID.

GOOD AFTERNOON TO YOU ALL AND WELCOME NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS.

I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU. SO WOW, A LOT TO CONSIDER AT THIS POINT WAS NOT PREPARED NECESSARILY TO SPEAK ABOUT CAMBIAR, ALTHOUGH I KNOW THAT FROM A PERSPECTIVE OF TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THE SECURITY COSTS AS THE BID.

MY HEART HAS GONE OUT TO SO MANY OF THE EVENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN CAMBIAR, LIKE EMPTY BOWLS AND SOME OF THOSE EVENTS WHO ARE THAT ARE REALLY FOUNDATIONAL TO THE CITY, THE COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL CULTURE AND FABRIC OF, OF THE NAPLES CITY OF NAPLES COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK THAT CAMBIAR OVERALL, MAYBE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, OF THE ART SHOW.

BUT AGAIN, MAYOR, YOU MENTIONED THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, IS, IS IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE NAPLES ART INSTITUTE.

MOST OF THE EVENTS ARE REALLY LOCAL IN NATURE, I WOULD SAY BY AND LARGE, I WAS LOOKING TO MY FRIEND OVER HERE TO HELP ME WITH THAT, BUT HE DISAPPEARED. SO CAMBIAR IS A IS DEFINITELY A SPECIAL PLACE.

AND AGAIN, NASH TO NAPLES WAS A, AS A IN ITS FIFTH YEAR AND THEIR RESIDENTS HERE WHO YOU KNOW, CREATE THIS WONDERFUL EVENT THAT PEOPLE LOVE TO COME OUT AND SIT UNDER THE STARS AND LISTEN TO MUSIC.

AND OF COURSE, WE HAVE THE BANDS. AND SO, I MEAN, IT IS CERTAINLY A REAL CULTURAL HUB.

AND I, I WOULD SAY THAT IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT, I THINK, TO FOR THIS TEAM TO, TO DECIDE, YOU KNOW, WHICH, WHICH ONES OF THOSE WOULD THAT HAVE BEEN A PART OF THE COMMUNITY WOULD NEED TO, TO GO BY THE WAYSIDE? I'M IN A BIG FAVOR, HOWEVER, OF SECURING THAT PARK, EVEN IF THERE IS NO NEFARIOUS DO I, DO I COUNT ON, PLEASE? YOU STILL HAVE TIME.

OKAY. EVEN THOUGH THERE'S NO NEFARIOUS, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT NOT BE ANY NEFARIOUS ISSUE.

SOMEBODY COULD HAVE A STROKE BEHIND THE WHEEL.

AND WHY WOULDN'T WE WANT TO HAVE BOLLARDS UP AROUND THE PARK ITSELF TO TO PROTECT FROM ALL SIDES IN ANY GIVEN DAY? SO THAT THAT'S MY SPIEL ON CAMBIAR. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE I LEFT OUT BASED ON WHAT YOU WERE ASKING FOR? COUNCILWOMAN NOT RELATIVE TO CAMBIAR. OKAY. YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY THE CAMBIAR BRINGS.

IF THERE'S AN EVENT IN CAMBIAR, IT DOES BRING TRAFFIC TO THE AVENUE.

THE ART SHOWS, THOUGH THERE WAS DEFINITELY MORE TRAFFIC ON THE AVENUE.

UTILIZE UTILIZATION OF RESTAURANTS WHEN THE ART SHOWS WERE ON THE AVENUE AGAIN, SIX OF ONE HALF DOZEN OF THE OTHER.

AS FAR AS THAT GOES. FROM A FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH PERSPECTIVE, YOU KNOW, I'M HERE TODAY TO SPEAK TO THE RELATIVE SAFETY. AS FAR AS FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH AND THE BID IN THREE YEARS WE HAVE BEEN SCAMPERING TO KEEP PACE, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, BUT MAYBE NOT ALL OF YOU THAT OUR FUNDS ARE THROUGH THE SPECIAL TAXATION DISTRICT ARE CAPPED AT $800,000 AT THIS POINT.

AND IN THREE YEARS, THE SECURITY COSTS HAVE GONE UP SIX OVER 600%.

WE'RE NOW SPENDING $70,000 FOR THE CHRISTMAS EVENT TO BRING OUR COMMUNITY TOGETHER.

AND I WOULD, I WOULD SAY FOR THE MOST PART, IT'S OUR, IT'S OUR RESIDENTS BECAUSE IT'S THAT TIME OF YEAR WHERE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, NOT CATERING NECESSARILY TO THE JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH AUDIENCE, IF YOU WILL, BUT, BUT MAYBE MORE OF OUR SNOWBIRDS AND OUR, AND OUR LOCALS.

SO I THINK THAT FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. HOLD ON JUST ONE SECOND.

I KNOW I'M LEAVING SOMETHING OUT. YOU ARE OUR LARGEST VENDOR OF ALL THE THINGS WE DO AT THE BID.

THE CITY IS OUR LARGEST VENDOR. AND WE, THE BID ARE THE PROPERTIES WITHIN THE SPECIAL TAXATION DISTRICT CONTRIBUTE 20% OF THE FUNDS DIRECTED TO THE CRA.

SO I WANTED TO AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IN THAT FROM A, I WOULD, I WOULD DEFINITELY SAY THAT THAT ADDING SOME SECURITY AND SPENDING MONEY THAT IS DIRECTED TO THE CRA COULD WELL BE USED TO HELP MITIGATE SOME OF THESE

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SO I'M NOT SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHILE WE'RE DOING WE'RE THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO COME TOGETHER.

AND THAT IS THE QUESTION I HEAR ALL THE TIME.

WHEN CAN WE HAVE MORE EVENTS? YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO DO IT RESPONSIBLY.

AND WE ARE I WANT TO CLARIFY IN SUPPORT OF SPENDING THE MONEY TO BE SAFE.

IS THERE A MORE EFFICIENT WAY TO BE UTILIZING THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE COLLECTIVELY TOGETHER? AND I WOULD SAY, YES, IT'S WORTH LOOKING AT. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? OKAY. I WOULD ASK STAFF CLARIFICATION. DO WE HAVE OUR MOST EVENTS LOCAL OR OUTSIDE OF THE IN CANBERRA? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT JUST IN GENERAL? YEAH. I GUESS PEOPLE PULLING PERMITS.

WE HAD THAT NUMBER. I KNOW WE DID, I CAN'T REMEMBER.

YEAH. A MAJORITY OF THEM ARE IN CAMBIER PARK.

THAT'S. THAT IS THE HEAVIEST USED SPACE FOR EVENTS THAT WE HAVE.

BUT ARE THEY LOCAL VENDORS OR ARE THEY FROM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF NAPLES? WHEN YOU SAY LOCAL CITY OF NAPLES, CITY OF NAPLES, THERE'S THERE'S NOT A LOT OF THEM THAT ARE.

CITY OF NAPLES. YEAH. THE VAST MAJORITY ARE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY OF NAPLES.

IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. OKAY. AND JUST THE LAST THING I WILL SAY IN TERMS OF SECURITY, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE WORKED VERY HARD WITH NPD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE REPRESENTING THAT THE BID IS REPRESENTING A CONSISTENCY IN TERMS OF THE SAFETY MEASURES THAT WE TAKE.

AND REALLY A STATIC DEPLOYMENT IS GOING TO CREATE THE CONSISTENCY I THINK THAT THE CITY DOESN'T YET HAVE.

SO THAT'S ALL I'LL SAY ON THAT. THANKS. OKAY.

THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS BOB MARTIN.

GOOD AFTERNOON. IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. MY NAME IS BOB MARTIN, 3240 FIFTH STREET.

ABOUT 23 YEARS. AND I DID PLAY FOOTBALL AS WELL.

SO I PREPARED A LENGTHY. READ HERE THAT I'M NOT GOING TO READ BECAUSE I WANT TO THANK THE CITY FOR SUPPORTING THE BALLOTS.

MOVING FORWARD, I THINK IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO.

I THINK THE COUPLE HUNDRED NAMES THAT HAVE SIGNED THIS PETITION PROBABLY ARE ENJOYING LISTENING TODAY AND HEAR THAT THE BURDEN OF 6 TO $7000 A WEEK WILL NOT BE NECESSARY IN THE NEAR FUTURE FOR THE CHURCH.

I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF IMPLEMENTATION TIMELINE.

I'VE GOT FRIENDS THAT ARE SITTING HERE THAT HAVE WRITTEN OUT CHECKS FOR $7,000 TO THE CHURCH TO SUPPORT THE INTERIM SITUATION.

I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE. I THINK THE CORE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE CITY IS FOR PROTECTION.

AND SO. THE CITY IS COGNIZANT AND HAS RESPONDED PROPERLY. THE QUESTION IS THE TIMELINE. THE QUESTION IS WHO PAYS FOR SECURITY IN THE INTERIM? I'M SURE YOU FOLKS WILL CONSIDER THAT, BUT I WILL SHARE A FEW THOUGHTS THAT PASTOR JEAN HAD SHARED WITH US AT THE LAST SERMON. MANY OF WHICH I WAS NOT AWARE OF, THAT THEY HELPED REBUILD THE CHURCH IN KATRINA IN NEW ORLEANS.

THEY PAID A PASTOR'S SALARY AS WELL AS THE CHURCH COSTS.

WHEN THE PASTOR HAD CANCER IN NAPLES. WINGS OF HOPE.

THEY HAD 1500 EASTER BASKETS FOR COMMUNITY PEOPLE IN THE CITY.

SOME OF YOU HAVE GONE TO THE CARNIVAL. PEOPLE ON PAID WELL.

THEY IN TURN PROVIDED CHICK WITH THE HELP OF CHICK FIL A, 175 LUNCHES TO THEM, ALONG WITH PILLOWS AND BLANKETS. DURING THE HEIGHT OF THE PANDEMIC, WHEN THE EMERGENCY ROOMS WERE SWAMPED ALMOST THREE MONTHS EVERY SATURDAY, CELEBRATION CHURCH DELIVERED 1080 CHICKEN FILLETS TO

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AND THE LAST THING THAT THE PASTOR JEAN MENTIONED WAS THE FACT THAT HE IN TURN.

CAN I GO ON? JUST WRAP IT UP. YES. HE IN TURN FOUND OUT THAT THERE WAS A, A YOUNG CHILD THAT LOVED GOING TO THE GULF, LOVED GOING TO THE BEACH AND BECAME PARALYZED.

THE CHURCH SPENT $15,000 IN PROVIDING A AN ENGINEERED WHEELCHAIR SO THAT THAT INDIVIDUAL COULD GO TO THE CHURCH. AND THAT INDIVIDUAL WENT INTO THE WATER WITH HIS WHEELCHAIR AND SHE WAS BAPTIZED.

IF WE CONTINUE TO EXTRACT MONEY OUT OF THE CHURCH, THEY WILL NOT HAVE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO DO THESE WONDERFUL THINGS.

I JUST THINK THAT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE REALIZE HOW FAR REACHING CELEBRATION.

CHURCHES TO THIS COMMUNITY. I LOVE THE SERMONS.

I GO THERE EVERY SUNDAY, ALMOST EVERY SUNDAY, AND I WALK FROM MY HOME DOWNTOWN.

I HOPE THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO DO THIS AND APPRECIATE THE CITY STEPPING UP FOR THE BALLOTS, AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN RESOLVE THE COST OF SECURITY, BECAUSE THE COST OF SECURITY IS 2500 TO $3000 A WEEK.

THAT'S UNSUSTAINABLE. THE TOTAL COST THAT THEY'RE PAYING.

SO THANK YOU FOR THE TIME TO ALLOW ME TO SPEAK.

THANK YOU, PASTOR HENDERSON. TWICE IN ONE DAY.

TWO THINGS I WILL SAY. YES, CHAD, I DO LIKE YOU.

AND AND AND I DID NOT PLAY AT NAPLES HIGH. WE'VE BEEN WE'VE BEEN GOING THROUGH THIS WHOLE THING.

I DO HAVE A COUPLE OF TECHNICAL THINGS I WANT TO I WOULD LIKE TO ASK AND I'LL GO THROUGH THEM AND THEN YOU CAN ANSWER AT THE END.

THE NUMBERS THAT YOU QUOTED FOR CHABAD WAS YOU SAID THAT THE NUMBER THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW TO CLOSE OR NOT CLOSE THE STREETS WAS 1500. I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID. OKAY.

SO WE HAVE BEEN OPERATING EVER SINCE WE BEGAN WITH THAT NUMBER BEING 500.

WE'VE BEEN WE'VE BEEN OPERATING WITH THE STREET.

I'M SORRY. COULD I COULD I JUST COULD YOU ASK THE QUESTIONS AND THEN WE CAN GET THE ANSWERS? IS THAT ALL RIGHT? OKAY, SURE. WE'VE BEEN OPERATING UNDER THE UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT THE NUMBER TO CLOSE THE STREETS WAS 500.

SO WE HAVE DONE THAT SINCE SINCE CHRISTMAS EVE AND INTO JANUARY.

BUT IF THE NUMBER WAS 1500, THEN MOST OF THE TIME WE HAVE NOT HAD 1500 THIS SEASON.

SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, ARE WE OPERATING AT 500 TO BEING THE LEVEL OR 1500 BEING THE LEVEL OF.

I'M SORRY, CHIEF, IF I COULD JUST HAVE YOU ASK THOSE QUESTIONS AND THEN WE CAN GET BACK TO YOU.

OKAY. AND THEN SECONDLY HOW ARE WE GOING ABOUT COUNTING? I KNOW SOMEONE ASKED THIS QUESTION EARLIER, BUT HOW ARE WE GOING ABOUT COUNTING AND GETTING THOSE NUMBERS AND DETERMINING THOSE NUMBERS IN A WAY THAT'S THAT WORKS FOR BOTH, FOR BOTH GROUPS. AND THIRDLY, AND JUST AS IMPORTANTLY IS THAT BECAUSE WE ARE, WE HAVE BEEN A FREQUENT EVENT ORGANIZER. IT IS DIFFICULT FOR US BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IN ORDER TO GET THAT NUMBER, IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE NUMBER OF EVENTS THAT WE HAVE, THAT NUMBER THAT BOB QUOTED YOU THAT WE SPEND ON THE ON THE BARRICADES WOULD NOT BE 3150.

THAT NUMBER WOULD BE 9500. BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE A NUMBER OF THEM, I WAS ABLE TO WORK A DEAL TO WHERE WE COULD GET IT DOWN TO 3150.

THE DIFFICULTY IS BECAUSE WE HAVE THAT NUMBER, IT'S DIFFICULT FOR US TO KNOW WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO BE OVER 500.

I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO BE OVER 500, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO BE OVER 1500.

SO THAT COULD CHANGE THE COMPLEX OF US, HOW MUCH WE'RE SPENDING.

SO HOW WOULD WE KNOW THAT WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE.

SO WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHERE WE'RE GOING FROM HERE, FROM HERE ON.

AND THEN WE ARE THREE. THE LAST THING I'LL SAY IS WE ARE THREE DIFFERENT EVENTS, AT LEAST FROM LISTENING TO YOU TODAY, CHRISTMAS EVE, WE BUTT RIGHT UP AGAINST THAT 3000 NUMBER.

AND WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A AN APPLICATION IN THAT HAS NOT BEEN APPROVED YET FOR CHRISTMAS EVE EASTER AGAIN, WE'LL BE RIGHT UP AGAINST THAT 300 OR THAT 3000 DURING SEASON.

CHAD'S RIGHT. WE'RE RIGHT AT ABOUT A THOUSAND.

SOMETIMES WE'RE A LITTLE OVER, SOMETIMES WE'RE A LITTLE UNDER. IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER. BUT THEN ONCE THE SEASON'S OVER AFTER APRIL 26TH,

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SO AFTER APRIL, WE GO DOWN TO ANYWHERE BETWEEN 250 AND 400.

SO WE'RE NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO EITHER ONE OF THOSE BARRIERS.

SO SO WE'RE A LITTLE BIT OF WITH ALL OF THOSE.

SO WE NEED TO HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW WE CAN PLAN TO, WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE BARRIERS, WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE STREET CLOSURES, CLOSURES, OR WHETHER WE'RE STRICTLY FREE TO DO WHATEVER.

AND THEN THE LAST THING THAT I WILL SAY IS THAT AND I TOLD I TOLD CHIEF DOMINGUEZ THIS EARLIER.

WE HAVE HAD FIVE EVENTS SO FAR THAT WE'VE HAD TO HAVE THE ENHANCED SAFETY DONE AND THE POLICE TO A MAN OR WOMAN HAVE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB. THEY'VE BEEN RESPONSIVE.

THEY HAVE WORKED WITH US. WE'VE WORKED TOGETHER.

THEY HAVE BEEN SUPPORTIVE. THEY HAVE BEEN EVERYTHING AND MORE THAT WE HAVE ASKED FOR.

SO I THANK CHIEF DOMINGUEZ THIS MORNING AND THANK YOU ALL AS WELL.

THANK YOU. I KNOW THE LAST TIME I'LL JUST APOLOGIZE PUBLICLY.

WHEN WE WEREN'T TALKING ABOUT COST, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE 90 DAY, 120 DAY.

THERE WAS CONFUSION FOR US BECAUSE IT WAS JUST AN APPROVAL OF THE NOT YOU NOT MEETING THE DEADLINE.

AND WE GOT HAD A SIDEBAR CONVERSATION ON COST AND SAID, WELL, YOU GUYS GO WORK IT OUT.

SO THOSE DETAILS MATTERED. WE DIDN'T KNOW THOSE DETAILS.

AND I'M HOPING THAT WE WILL SOMEHOW RECTIFY OR COME UP WITH A SOLUTION SO THAT YOU'RE NOT HAVING TO PAY THOSE EXTREME COST BEING THAT WE HAVE AN INTERIM PLAN, RIGHT? WELL, I GUESS THE ONLY THING I'D SAY TO THAT IS, IS WE DID ALSO AGREE THAT IF THAT'S WHAT WE WERE DOING, THAT EVERYONE ELSE WAS DOING THE SAME THING. SO IF WE'RE WORKING OFF 500 AND OTHER PEOPLE WERE WORKING OFF 1500, THEN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT A LITTLE BIT OFF OF WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

SO, SO THAT'S ALL THAT REALLY MATTERS. WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL PAY WHAT WE HAVE TO PAY, BUT WE WANT IT TO BE FAIR.

THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY.

NO FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. GOT A QUESTION? YES, MR. SCHULTZ, RIGHT AROUND THE COUNCILMAN SCHOLZ RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER.

THERE'S A CHURCH BEING BUILT. SOMEBODY'S BUILDING IT.

BRICK AND MORTAR, RAISING THE FUNDS TO BUILD IT.

THERE ARE MANY HOUSES OF WORSHIP IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT PAY THEIR OWN WAY WITH THEIR OWN STRUCTURES.

THEY DON'T PROVIDE THE SERVICE THAT THIS PASTOR DOES, BUT THEY PROVIDE A SERVICE AND YET THEY HAVE TO PAY THEIR UTILITY BILLS.

SECURITY FOR THEIR BUILDINGS. THEY HAVE TO COVER ALL THAT THEMSELVES, AND THEY ARE IN THE CITY.

IT WOULD APPEAR THAT MAYBE THERE'S. AND AGAIN, NO DISRESPECT.

WE HAVE A DUALITY HERE OF TREATMENT TOWARD HOUSES OF WORSHIP.

JUST AN OBSERVATION. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE CONTINUE ON TO BAKER PARK? ACTUALLY, WHAT TIME DID MADAM CLERK, WHAT TIME DID WE COME BACK? WE MIGHT BE DUE FOR A BREAK. 130. IT WAS LIKE 120.

THANK YOU. EXECUTIVE EXECUTIVE SESSION. 1227 AND DONE AT 1:04 P.M..

OKAY, MADAM CLERK, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A BREAK RIGHT NOW AT THREE 3327.

SO WE'LL TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK. OKAY, WE'RE BACK FROM OUR SHORT BREAK. CONTINUING ON WITH ITEM 14 D AND MR. MERRITT, WE'RE WRAPPING UP WITH OUR BAKER PARK AND YEAH.

AND IF DAVID CAN LOG ME BACK IN, I'LL GET BACK TO THE PRESENTATION.

I'LL KIND OF BRIEFLY SAY THAT WE'VE KIND OF WRAPPED THAT AREA UP.

BAKER PARK WAS NEXT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND KIND OF A COMPARISON OF WHAT WE LOOK AT WHEN WE LOOK AT BAKER PARK, 25 TO 3500, REALLY DEPENDING ON THE CONFIGURATION OF THE EVENT WORKS IN BAKER PARK.

THE BIGGEST THING THAT FOR BAKER PARK IS AGAIN, THE PARKING.

THE ADDITION OF THE PARKING GARAGE DOES HELP THAT A LITTLE BIT.

BUT THAT VENUE DOES HAVE. OR THAT PARK, I SHOULD SAY THE VENUE.

THAT PARK REALLY DOES ALLOW THE, THE SPACE TO, TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE SPREAD OUT.

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THERE WE GO. WE WERE ABLE TO STILL FUNCTION AS A PARK.

IF YOU WERE IN THE PARK, YOU WERE STILL ABLE TO USE THE PARK FOR A PARK.

SO I WANTED TO NOTIFY OR AT LEAST TALK ABOUT THAT.

I THINK WE'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE FIFTH AVENUE.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO GO INTO A WHOLE LOT OF DETAILS WITH THE THE PARKING.

HERE IS A PICTURE, THIS PICTURE YOU SAW EARLIER TODAY.

EVENT SPACE CAPACITY 10 TO 20,000 DEPENDING ON CONFIGURATION.

THE EVENT IS KIND OF WHAT WE HAVE GEARED FOR THAT.

THAT IS KIND OF YOUR CAPACITY FOR THAT IS WHAT WE'RE ESTIMATING.

CHAD, BEFORE YOU GET TO THE SPECIAL EVENT CHANGES, DID YOU MAYOR YOU HAD SPECIFIC QUESTIONS ON BAKER PARK? DID YOU? YES. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MY SPECIFIC QUESTION, CHAD, ON I KNOW THERE'S A PARKING IS A PROBLEM AT BAKER. THAT WAS. YEAH. BUT ON WEEKENDS, SATURDAY AND SUNDAYS WHEN.

OUR STAFF IS OFF UP THERE THAT. ALL OF THE LOTS THAT WE USE FOR OUR BUILDINGS THAT CAN BE USED IS THAT I'M ASSUMING I'VE BEEN TO EVENTS BEFORE AND WHERE THAT'S USED.

IS THAT MAKE THIS MORE VIABLE? IT DOES. SO THAT THAT IS CORRECT ON THE WEEKENDS WHEN WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF STAFF IN, THEN THAT DOES, YOU'RE ABLE TO HAVE A LOT MORE.

WE'VE HAD SOME EVENTS RECENTLY THAT TOOK PLACE DURING THE DAY AND AN EVENT CROWD WITH THE STAFF.

THAT WAS A NIGHTMARE. BUT ON THE WEEKENDS IT DOES MAKE IT A LITTLE EASIER.

WE TRY TO ENCOURAGE STAFF TO GET THEIR VEHICLES IN ONE LOCATION, SO IT KIND OF FREES THAT UP, AND THEY USUALLY GENERALLY DO A PRETTY GOOD IDEA OR PRETTY GOOD JOB OF THAT.

SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, WHEN WE LOOK AT RECOMMENDATIONS, WE'RE FIGURING THAT IN THAT 25 TO 2500 WOULD BE A WEEKEND EVENT WHERE WE CAN USE THAT PARKING. AM I CORRECT IN ASSUMING THAT? YEAH.

AND WE USE AGAIN, MY BEST METRICS IS ALWAYS USED ON EVENTS.

SO I TRY TO GEAR IT ON WHAT EVENTS TAKE PLACE AND, AND ESTIMATE THE CROWD AND HOW IT, WHAT THE IMPACT WAS.

AND THAT'S HOW WE KIND OF LOOK AT THAT. OKAY.

SO REAL WORLD EXAMPLES. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR.

YEP. AND THEN SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE FURTHER DISCUSSED IS THE FACT THAT HOW MANY EVENTS HAVE GONE FROM BAKER IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

I MEAN, FROM CAMBIER TO BAKER, SO THAT WE CAN LOOK AT THE IMPACTS THAT COULD CAUSE BAKER TO GO TO A CAPACITY.

YEAH, AND I'LL SPEAK BRIEFLY ON THAT. A LOT OF THAT WAS MAINLY DUE TO SOME OF THE SECURITY STUFF.

SO I THINK WHAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS IS GOING TO START TO KIND OF BALANCE THAT OUT.

AND I THINK THAT WE'LL MOVE PAST SOME OF THAT.

SO IF NO OTHER QUESTIONS, I'LL KEEP MOVING THROUGH.

AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THESE EVENT SPACE CAPACITIES.

AGAIN, WE LOOKED AT FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH. THIS WAS ESTIMATED ON AGAIN, LOOKING AT THE EVENTS THAT TAKE PLACE IN THE SPACE.

YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE? GARY, I CAN MOVE ON. THIS IS KIND OF JUST TO TOUCH ON UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO COME BACK TO YOU ALL FOR ANY CHANGES THAT ARE DONE IN THE MANUAL. THE MANUAL WAS ACCEPTED OR WAS APPROVED THROUGH RESOLUTION.

SO I WANT TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THIS BRIEFLY, BUT I ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU CONSIDER SOME OF THESE THINGS WHEN WE BRING THEM FORWARD. APPLICATION SUBMITTAL STARTS WHEN ALL OF THE REQUIRED DOCUMENTS ARE RECEIVED.

AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN PRACTICE WHERE YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T SUBMIT IT AND IT'S GOING TO HELP ONCE WE WE'VE GOT A TEAM THAT'S WORKING ON SOME STUFF AND I'LL GIVE HER A SHOUT OUT. LISA HAS HELPED WITH TRYING TO GET US A SOFTWARE.

I THINK THAT'S GOING TO RECTIFY THIS THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION.

BUT ANOTHER THING IS DIFFERENT TYPES OF APPLICATIONS AND, AND DEADLINE REQUIREMENTS.

TYPE ONE, A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE WOULD MAKE IS YOU WOULD HAVE A TYPE ONE APPLICATION WHICH IS PRIVATELY ORGANIZED EVENTS IN PARKS AND PUBLIC SPACES. STILL KEEPING THAT 120 DAYS FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO.

THAT DEADLINE FOR CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL, 90 DAYS FOR ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL IF IT DOESN'T HAVE THOSE COMPONENTS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT THAT REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL. TYPE TWO IS COMMERCIAL EVENTS PERMITS IN ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, AND THAT'S OUTDOORS.

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AND THEN THAT WOULD BE A 60 DAY OF ADMIN. IF THERE'S NOTHING THAT REQUIRES CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL, WE DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF BUSINESSES AND THAT COME TO US AND SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO DO SOMETHING ON OUR PROPERTY AND WE'RE AT 120 DAYS.

THAT'S A LOT FOR A BUSINESS. IF I MEAN A LOT OF THEM, THEY MAY DO IT JUST TO TRY TO GENERATE SOMETHING AT A LAST MINUTE.

SO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY.

DANIELLE HAS STATED THAT SHE WOULD BE ABLE TO GET THESE PROCESSED A LITTLE BIT QUICKER BECAUSE OF THEY'RE NOT AS COMPLEX AS ONE OF THE LARGE SCALE EVENTS THAT WE HAVE IN OPEN SPACES. SO THEN YOU LOOK INTO A TYPE THREE APPLICATION, WHICH WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL PARTY PERMITS, WHICH IS 60 DAYS FOR CITY COUNCIL. AND THEN I THINK WE GOT 45 DAYS, EXCUSE ME FOR THE ADMIN.

WHAT THAT REALLY ENTAILS IS WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOMEONE, YOU HAVE A NEIGHBOR AND YOU ALL WANT TO GET TOGETHER AND THERE'S 3 OR 4 OF YOU AND YOU THROW A PARTY AND YOU CLOSE THE BLOCK. THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL.

YOU HAVE AMPLIFIED SOUND. YOU GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT.

THAT'S THAT'S MORE OF A LARGE SCALE. SO AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING AT NEEDING TO HAVE THE 60 DAYS.

BUT THIS ALSO RUNS INTO WE HAVE A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL AT LEAST PERMITS THAT COME THROUGH US OR APPLICATIONS WHERE THEY MAY DECIDE THEY JUST WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING AT THEIR HOUSE. HEY, I'M GOING TO DO SOMETHING IN JUNE OR I'M GOING TO DO SOMETHING IN MAY.

SO WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT MORE FLEXIBILITY AGAIN, THAN THE 120 DAYS.

THIS WAS OUR ATTEMPT TO TRY TO SOLVE THAT. SO WHEN WE COME BACK, WE WANT TO KIND OF GO INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT MORE, AND WE'LL HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF IT OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT AND WHAT THE APPLICATION WILL LOOK LIKE.

THEN WE LOOK AT SOME OF THE OTHER NEEDED CHANGES THE PROCESS ADVANCEMENT, SPECIAL EVENTS WILL STAFF CONCERNS WILL NOT ADVANCE. MEANING THE CAN WE GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE A MINUTE? I JUST WANT TO TRY TO. I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT ONE TO GET SOME CONSENSUS.

REMEMBER, EVERYTHING WAS 120 DAYS BEFORE AND WE'VE HAD SOME THAT WE'VE.

AT COUNCIL'S PROMPTING, EITHER SOMEBODY HAD CONTACTED COUNCIL AND OR WE'VE HAD WE'VE BROUGHT THINGS FORWARD TO YOU AT EITHER YOUR PROMPTING OR OUR OWN TO SAY THIS DIDN'T MEET IT. AND SO THIS IS JUST A MORE RATIONAL APPROACH TO IT AND COMMON SENSE APPROACH THAT WE THINK IS IMPORTANT TO PUT IN THE MANUAL. AND I GUESS I WANTED TO STOP THERE TO MAKE SURE YOU ALL AGREE THAT THESE ARE SENSIBLE CHANGES AND, AND CHANGING THOSE CALENDARS, ALL FROM A STATIC NUMBER.

I DIDN'T WANT TO JUST SKIM OVER THAT. I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT NUANCE AS TO WHETHER OR NOT.

I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE WHAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT A BUSINESS WANTS TO DO.

COULD YOU JUST CLARIFY FOR ME WHAT A BUSINESS MAY WANT TO DO A SPECIAL EVENT ON THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE THEY WANT TO, YOU KNOW, CREATE AND, YOU KNOW, CUSTOMERS OR SOMETHING, YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE ME DO THIS WITHOUT USING SPECIFIC EXAMPLES? YES. SO A BANK DECIDES TO HAVE A OPEN HOUSE FOR THEIR MEMBERS AND THEY HAVE A TENT AND THEY HAVE FOOD AND THEY HAVE SOME, A SPEAKER OVER ON THE SIDE AND THEY'RE PLAYING MUSIC THAT'S AMPLIFIED SOUND.

THAT'S A TENT PERMIT THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF WHAT THEY DO ON AN EVERYDAY BASIS.

ANOTHER EXAMPLE, A RESTAURANT DECIDES THAT THEY WANT TO HAVE A CELEBRATION IN THE PARKING LOT FOR, TO CELEBRATE WHATEVER HOLIDAY IT MAY BE. AND THEY DECIDE TO SET A TENT UP AND THEY HAVE A LITTLE BAND OVER TO THE SIDE THAT'S GOING TO MOVE INTO, THAT'S A BUSINESS THAT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, THAT'S GOING TO NEED TO BE APPROVED BY YOU ALL, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN PROCESS QUICKER THAN TRYING TO GO THROUGH.

WE DON'T HAVE STREET CLOSURES. WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF THAT STUFF TO GO THROUGH.

THEY'RE KEEPING IT ON THEIR PROPERTY AND WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO TO GET THAT DONE QUICKER.

INSTEAD OF MAKING THEM HAVE 120 DAY REQUIREMENT FOR A DEADLINE, AND I THINK YOU ALL HAVE PROBABLY WITHIN THE LAST YEAR, HAVE HAD SOME OF THESE WHERE THEY'VE SUBMITTED IT AND THEY HAVEN'T MET THE DEADLINE AND THEY COME TO YOU ALL BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T MEET THE DEADLINE.

THEY SAID, WELL, I DIDN'T REALIZE OR WE COULDN'T PLAN THAT FAR IN ADVANCE.

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I'VE GOT A RESTAURANT AND I'VE ALREADY GOT OUTDOOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, AND I WANT TO THROW A BIRTHDAY BASH FOR THE CHIEF.

ALL RIGHT. WE DON'T NEED ANY SPECIAL ANYTHING, DO WE? WELL, IF YOU HAVE, I THINK WHEN YOU MOVE INTO THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, AS LONG AS IT'S WITHIN THE LIVE ENTERTAINMENT PERMIT GUIDELINES.

SAME TIME FRAME. AND I'M NOT MY. I DON'T TURN THE KNOB UP TOO HIGH.

NO. AS LONG AS EVERYTHING IS WITHIN THAT PERMIT, THEN WE DON'T HAVE IT.

THE MINUTE THAT YOU START PUTTING TENTS AND YOU START GOING OUTSIDE OF THAT SCOPE, THEN IT'S GOING TO MAKE SENSE TO ME.

AND THEN ONE MORE. I GOT A BANK AND I WANT TO DO A CUSTOMER.

THANK YOU. AND SO I BRING A CATERER AND WE, THEY PARK IN MY PARKING LOT, WE GO INSIDE AND EAT FOOD AND LISTEN TO WHATEVER.

NOBODY TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE, RIGHT? YEAH. WE DON'T MAKE A NOISE ORDINANCE.

YEAH. THAT TO ME WOULD BE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CATERER, AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT OUT IN AND THEY'RE COOKING THE MOMENT THAT THEY START COOKING THAT THAT WINJE BROUGHT THE FOOD IN. AND WE'RE SITTING IN HERE EATING IT.

YEAH. THEN THAT'S A GATHERING WITHIN THE CONFINES.

I JUST THROW THOSE OUT THERE BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY COMMON SENSE THINGS THAT WHEN PEOPLE THINK THAT THERE ISN'T COMMON SENSE.

YES THERE IS. CORRECT. THANKS. THANK YOU. AND MR. YOUNG. YEAH. I WAS GOING TO USE THE OTHER EXAMPLE OF WHICH I'M PROBABLY GOING TO BRING UP IN COMMUNICATIONS IS EVERY NOW AND THEN WE'LL GET AN EVENT AT THE AIRPORT.

AND YOU KNOW, MOST RECENTLY WE ALL GOT EMAILS ABOUT THE VILLAGE SCHOOL OF NAPLES AND THEY DIDN'T MEET THAT DEADLINE AND IT'S 250 PEOPLE IN A HANGAR. THE REASON IT COMES HERE IS BECAUSE IT'S AMPLIFIED SOUND AND THE OTHER.

AND SO IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE A COMMON SENSE APPROACH ALLOWS US TO AUTHORIZE IT AND OR IT.

AND IN THIS CASE, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE SATISFIED EITHER ONE. SO I DON'T WANT TO HAVE ANY MISGIVINGS, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THERE'S THE ABILITY TO APPLY A DIFFERENT CRITERIA BECAUSE IT'S NOT IMPACTING OUR PARKS. IT'S NOT AS IT'S IN A SPECIFIC AREA WHICH THEY'VE DESIGNATED THAT THESE THINGS OCCUR.

SO I'M ONLY USING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE MY INTENT TO TALK ABOUT IT LATER TODAY.

SO BUT I WANTED, BUT IT CAN BE ANY OF THOSE VARIATIONS AND TO, TO, TO YOUR QUESTIONS.

MR. KRAMER IS, YEAH, THE MOMENT THEY THROW A TEN UP IN THE PARKING LOT OR THEY CHANGE THE AMPLIFIED SOUND THAT'S OUTSIDE OF THEIR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT, THEN THEY MUST COME FOR A PERMIT. SO. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT.

OKAY, MR. MERRITT, SO SOUNDS GOOD. LOOKS GOOD.

ONE MORE THING. I DO WANT TO MOVE FORWARD. THIS NOTION THAT WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH, IT'S GOING TO BE PAINFUL FOR WE'RE GOING TO GET PEOPLE WHO GET MAD AT US THAT WE'RE GOING TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF EVENTS WE HAVE, AND WE REALLY HAVEN'T.

BEAT THAT. BUT WE NEED A CRITERION AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO COME ABOUT FIGURING OUT HOW MANY TO HAVE.

AND AND THEN HOW DO WE DETERMINE WHICH EVENTS THOSE ARE.

NOW, I THINK ONCE YOU KNOW THE SIZE OF THEM, THEN THAT MAKES IT EASIER IF YOU HAVE A MAXIMUM NUMBER.

WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING OVER 5000 PEOPLE OR WHATEVER IT IS. THEN THOSE GET LOPPED OFF.

AND THEN IF WE LOOK AT IF THEY'RE NOT, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE PREFERENCE TO LOCAL PEOPLE. I MEAN, WHATEVER, I DON'T KNOW, I HAVE TO ASK OUR ATTORNEY THOSE THINGS, BUT I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME AT SOME POINT, WE GOT TO START THINKING ABOUT IT AND TALKING ABOUT IF WE'RE GOING TO CAN'T KEEP ADDING THEM.

AND THERE HAS TO BE A NUMBER, HAS TO BE A FINITE NUMBER.

WELL, I THINK I THINK WE GOT A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION TODAY.

AND I THINK THE INTENT IS THERE'S SOME ITEMS THAT I KNOW MATTHEW IS GOING TO BE LOOKING AT.

AND WE'LL KIND OF COME BACK TO YOU ALL WITH A PLAN WITH THE FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT ABOUT THE CAPACITY.

IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? I THINK THE CAPACITY AND FREQUENCY WILL GO A LONG WAY TO WEEDING THOSE THINGS OUT.

AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME THAT ARE. REPEAT.

I WANT TO SAY THIS. YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME THAT ARE GOING TO BE MAKING APPLICATIONS THAT THAT AREN'T GOING TO FALL IN THAT CRITERIA.

BUT AS WE NEED TO BE UNIFORM AND FAIR, AND THAT'S GOING TO WORK ITSELF OUT OVER TIME BASED ON THE QUANTITY, SIZE AND FREQUENCY OF EVENTS. YEAH, I GUESS THAT'S TO MATTHEW.

HE'LL HAVE TO HELP US FIGURE THAT OUT OF, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE HOW DO YOU WHAT CAN THE CRITERIA BE LEGALLY SO THAT WE'RE CONSISTENT? AND THEN IF THERE'S AGAIN, MY NUMBER WAS WHATEVER IT WAS, 26 SPECIAL EVENTS ON, ON THE YEAR,

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WE'D HAVE TO HAVE CRITERIA FOR THAT. YEAH. AND I THINK TO BOTH MR. MAYOR AND MR. YOUNG'S POINTS, I THINK WE'VE GOT A LOT OF GOOD FEEDBACK.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE LAW IS GOING TO DICTATE WHAT WE CAN AND CAN'T DO TO SOME EXTENT.

AND THERE'S A LOT FOR ME TO RESEARCH. BUT IF I COME BACK AND THERE'S LANGUAGE THAT'S PROPOSED BECAUSE THE LAW SAYS YOU CAN DO THIS AND DO THAT, IT'S ESSENTIALLY GOING TO WRITE THE MANUAL FOR YOU.

OKAY? BECAUSE THE WHOLE THE WHOLE REASON IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER IS APPROVED IS LEGALLY SUFFICIENT.

YES. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER THANK YOU COACH.

I THINK YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT BECAUSE IN NO WAY DO WE WANT IT TO LOOK ARBITRARY.

CORRECT? YEAH, THAT'D BE VERY SCARY. OKAY. THANKS.

GUYS, MAKE A COMMENT. WE COULD ALSO LOOK AT THIS ANOTHER WAY ABOUT INCREASING CAPACITY.

YOU GOT THE NEW ARTS DISTRICT AND THEY'RE GOING TO WANT TO HAVE EVENTS.

AND THAT COULD BE A NEW VENUE FOR EVENTS. SO I MEAN I'M JUST THROWING OUT THERE.

ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT IS JUST, YOU KNOW, WHERE ELSE CAN WE HAVE EVENTS THAT ARE QUIETER, MORE REASONABLE AREAS TO HAVE EVENTS? AS ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE TO THINK ABOUT.

ALL RIGHT. JUST REAL BRIEF. A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS TO ACKNOWLEDGE.

AGAIN, THE PROCESS ADVANCEMENT. A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TOWARDS IS NOT ADVANCING THE APPLICATIONS WHEN WE HAVE CONCERNS.

NOT BRINGING THEM TO YOU ALL. THIS HAPPENS FREQUENTLY WHEN WE GET ORGANIZERS THAT TELL US, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T AGREE WITH WHAT WE WANT AND ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'RE IN FRONT OF YOU AND, AND HAVING THE BACK AND FORTH. SO WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO MAKE SURE IN REGARDS TO THE MANUAL, AS LONG AS IT'S FOLLOWING THE MANUAL PENALTIES, WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT SOME PENALTIES FOR VIOLATIONS OF THE PERMIT.

WE HAVE PERMIT VIOLATIONS NOW. THERE'S NO REPERCUSSIONS REALLY.

BESIDES THEY LOSE A SMALL DEPOSIT. SO WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT THAT WHEN WE COME BACK.

AS WELL AS THE OUTSTANDING BALANCES. NO APPLICATIONS WILL BE ACCEPTED IN BY AN ORGANIZATION.

OR AN EVENT IF IT HAS AN OUTSTANDING BALANCE FROM A PREVIOUS AND CODIFYING THAT WITHIN THE MANUAL AND THEN STAFFING.

WE REQUIRE SOME NOT SOME. THEY HAVE TO MANAGE THEIR OWN TRASH.

THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE STAFF AND STUFF TO GO THROUGH AND THEY GET THE TRASH FROM TRASH CANS FROM SANITATION.

NOT EVERYBODY'S FOLLOWING THAT. SO AT SOME POINT, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SAY YOU'RE GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO PAY FOR STAFF.

THEY'RE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO MANAGE IT BECAUSE THERE'S AN EXPECTATION WHEN THEY WALK AWAY AND THEY SAY, WE'RE DONE, WE GOT EVERYTHING AND THEY LEAVE A MESS, AND THEN WE CLEAN IT UP AND THEY LOSE A $500 DEPOSIT.

THAT'S NOT REALLY FAIR. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO WHEN THEY LEAVE, THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO HAVE A CLEAN PLACE THAT THEY CAN GO IN AND ENJOY.

SO WE WILL BE LOOKING AT IMPLEMENTING SOME OF THAT AS WELL AS LONG AS AS WELL AS WITH THE RESTROOMS BECAUSE THEY ARE PUBLIC RESTROOMS STILL.

AND THEN LAST THING TO CONSIDER WHAT HAPPENS IF WE CAN'T PROPERLY STAFF THIS FROM A POLICE FIRE COMMUNITY SERVICES STANDPOINT? IF WE CANNOT STAFF THE EVENT PROPERLY BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE IN A GOOD PLACE RIGHT NOW, BUT WE COULD WE MAY NOT HAVE WE HAVE VACANCIES THAT OCCUR.

AND IF WE CAN'T STAFF THAT EVENT AND IT'S BEEN PERMITTED, ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME BACK AND REVISIT THAT AND SAY, SORRY, WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THIS EVENT IMPACTS FOR NAPLES POLICE DEPARTMENT AND NAPLES FIRE DEPARTMENT.

THEY'RE DIFFERENT. AND IT REALLY DEPENDS ON THE EVENT AND WHAT, HOW TAXING IT IS, THE TIME OF THE EVENT AND THEN PRIORITIZING STAFF TIME. AND THEN IT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID IN HERE.

BUT SHOULD WE ADD OR SHOULD IT BE CONSIDERATION OF ADDING STAFF SPECIFICALLY FOR SPECIAL EVENTS.

AND THAT IS THE END OF. SO FROM. THERE. THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS ON THAT PART OF IT. OBVIOUSLY, THE STEPS YOU'VE TAKEN TODAY, INCLUDING QUANTIFYING THE FREQUENCY OF EVENTS AND SOME OTHER THINGS.

I'LL GO BACK TO HIS OWN WORDS. WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE RIGHT NOW.

AND THE STEPS YOU'VE TAKEN TODAY ACTUALLY REDUCE WHAT MAY BE NEEDED.

SO I THINK LET'S JUST BE TAKE THAT SLIDE FOR WHAT IT WAS.

AND THAT'LL BE A CONSTANT CONSIDERATION AS WE EVALUATE THE STEPS YOU'VE TAKEN TODAY.

YOU GUYS. I WILL GO WITH FOLLOW UP. I KNOW ANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE? COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ TOPIC ON THIS TOPIC ON THIS TOPIC?

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I DON'T THINK, IN THE RAINY SEASON BECAUSE THEY PROBABLY ARE GOING TO HAVE PROBLEMS. SO WE GOT TO COMPRESS THE SCHEDULE INTO A 20 WEEK WINDOW.

AND PICKING WINNERS AND LOSERS WILL BE PROBLEMATIC.

BUT I THINK IF WE JUST ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT COME MAY 1ST, THIS TOWN CLEARS OUT AND JUST AN OBSERVATION.

ANYTHING ELSE? COUNCILWOMAN BENJAMIN KRAMER THOUGHT ABOUT THIS.

OKAY. BARTON. YEAH, JUST LET ME LOOK FOR THIS.

LET ME SEE IF I CAN FIND A SLIDE REAL QUICK. DO YOU KNOW WHAT IT SAYS? I CAN TRY TO FIND THE SLIDE THAT SHOWED THE MONTHS AND THE EVENTS THAT WERE TAKING PLACE IN THOSE MONTHS.

I JUST AND I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT COUNCILMAN SCHULTZ, WHILE YOU'RE RIGHT, MOST OF THIS STUFF DOES TRY TO GET SQUEEZED INTO SEASON, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THE WEATHER IS BETTER. BUT WITH THAT SAID, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS SLIDE THAT'S THAT'S SITTING HERE, WHAT PAGE IS THAT? YEAH, SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SLIDE THAT'S SITTING HERE IN FRONT OF US, I KNOW IT'S NOT ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S IN FRONT OF US. YEAH, WE'VE GOT STUFF GOING ON EVERY SINGLE MONTH, WHETHER IT'S WHETHER IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF SUMMER OR WHETHER IT'S THE BEAUTIFUL WEATHER OF, OF MARCH. SO THE REALITY IS, IS WE ARE, WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING USED YEAR ROUND.

THE, WE GOT MORE EVENTS TAKING PLACE IN SEASON, THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.

SO COUNCILMAN SCHULTZ, YOU ARE CORRECT IN THAT IN THAT REGARD, BUT IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T STOP BECAUSE SUMMER SHOWS UP.

WE WE GOT WE GOT STUFF HAPPENING EVERY, EVERY MONTH.

SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT IN REFERENCE TO.

TO THE COMMENTS AT THE OTHER END OF THE DAIS.

OKAY. WELL, I MEAN, I VIEW THAT AS A POSITIVE THIS SUMMER BECAUSE YOU GOT RESTAURANTS THAT NEED BUSINESS.

SO, SO ALL THIS THE, THE MULTIPLIER EFFECT OF THESE EVENTS INTO OUR ECONOMY AND ALL THAT IS, IS, I THINK, VERY IMPORTANT TO SUSTAIN, YOU KNOW, THE HIGH RENTS AND COSTS THAT PEOPLE ABSORB TO OPERATE DOWN HERE.

I THINK THE GUIDANCE FOR THE GUIDEBOOK IS REALLY, WE SHOULD PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, EACH PARK GIVE A GUIDANCE ON CAPACITY FOR EACH VENUE.

AND THAT'S MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN GET INTO THE NUMBER OF EVENTS AND MAYBE LEAVE IT MORE TO GET MORE INPUT FROM CHAD OR LEAVE IT, LEAVE IT SOMEWHAT TO THEIR DISCRETION. TO SOME DEGREE, BUT, BUT AND LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT CAMBIAR 1 TO 3000 OR FIFTH AVENUE, 10 TO 20,000 KIND OF IMPLEMENT THAT.

AND IS THAT WHAT YOU FEEL LIKE YOU NEED TO DO? FOR THE NEW FOR THE REVISIONS? YEAH, I THINK YOU YEAH.

AND I THINK YOU'VE GIVEN US ALL THE GUIDANCE WE NEED ON THOSE AREAS TO BRING BACK THOSE TYPES OF THINGS IN THE MANUAL.

OKAY, GREAT, GREAT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

OKAY. JUST I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT POINT.

BECAUSE IT, I DON'T KNOW WHERE 10,000, 20,000 PEOPLE ON EVENTS ON FIFTH AVENUE AND, AND WE DIDN'T EVEN DISCUSS THAT AND THE, HOW WE'RE GOING TO, I DON'T THINK REMEMBER YOU ONLY HAVE TEN ROUGHLY.

IS IT TEN EVENTS, I THINK ON FIFTH AVENUE AND NOT ALL OF THEM REACH THAT CAPACITY.

MY, WHAT I'M GETTING, WHAT I WAS GETTING AT HERE IS, IS THAT NOBODY WAS TAKING.

AND WE DID ON NOTHING ELSE TAKE ON THE ACTUAL SPECIFIC EVENTS WE HAVE NOW.

WE ALL RECOGNIZE CERTAIN CERTAIN EVENTS PUSH OUR CAPACITY TO ITS LIMITS.

BUT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO TAKE ON SPECIFIC EVENTS TODAY.

SO IN GENERAL, WHEN THE AVENUE IS CLOSED DOWN, IF IT'S SECURED, FIND AND SO ON.

SO THAT'S WHY I'M NOT HARPING ON THE FIFTH AVENUE SO FAR.

WE'RE GETTING ON OUR LOCAL VENUES AND THE AREAS WE KNOW WE HAVE FREQUENT EVENTS, WE'VE GOTTEN THE DIRECTION THAT WE NEED.

I REALLY WASN'T TRYING TO. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, AS WAS ALREADY DISCUSSED AFTER ACTION ON CERTAIN LARGER EVENTS, WHICH YOU CAN EVALUATE ON YOUR OWN. I THINK THAT'S THE GENERAL CONVERSATION THAT WE KNOW WE HAVE THE CAPACITY BECAUSE WE'VE SEEN THEM ON THE AVENUE WAS REALLY ALL THAT SLIDE WAS TO ACKNOWLEDGE AT THIS STAGE. OKAY. AND THEN FOR ME THERE NEEDS TO BE A CLARIFICATION ON CITY SPONSORED EVENTS. AND THE CLARIFICATION ON WHETHER THERE ARE ONLY FIVE EVENTS, AND THE CAPACITY OF THOSE EVENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING ON FIFTH AVENUE.

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THAT'S THE ONLY EVENT THEY HAVE IN CAMBIER PARK.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS ON FIFTH AVENUE. OKAY. AND PARKS AND YEAH, THEY USE PARK STREET FOR THE EVENINGS ON FIFTH.

OKAY. AND THEN. I'M SORRY, BUT YOU SAID HALLOWEEN AND HALLOWEEN IN THE PARK IS WHAT THEY HAVE IN THERE.

DID SHE SAY ASHTON? NAPLES? IT'S NOT A BID EVENT.

THAT'S ONE THAT WE ACTUALLY WORK WITH THAT ORGANIZATION.

BUT I THINK THEY WERE THE SUPPORTERS OF IT. THAT'S WHY.

NO. OKAY. OKAY. YOU CAN YOU CAN WORK THESE. I THINK SHE WAS JUST COMMENTING THAT OUR PEOPLE ENJOY THOSE, AND SHE'S HAD COMMENTS BACK THAT THEY'VE ENJOYED THAT IMMENSELY.

OKAY. AND THAT INCLUDES THE NUMBER OF ROAD CLOSURES.

CORRECT. FOR FIFTH. AND IN WHAT REGARDS? WELL, JUST THE NUMBER OF ROAD CLOSURES THAT WE HAVE WHEN WE CLOSE OFF THE SPECIAL EVENTS FOR FIFTH. YEAH. YEAH. SO EVERY TIME WE DO AN EVENT ON FIFTH, WE CLOSE THE ROADS.

OKAY. WITH THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT COMING BACK TO US ON SPECIAL EVENTS.

AND THANK YOU. I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. MR. YOUNG, DO YOU HAVE EVERYTHING YOU NEED? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THE QUICK MATH IS 97 EVENTS IN SEASON FROM JANUARY TO MAY AND 63 IN OFF SEASON.

SO FIVE MONTHS, YOU HAVE 97 EVENTS AND SEVEN MONTHS YOU HAVE 63.

THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT, WE'LL COMPLETE THIS ITEM.

AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. OKAY, WE THE NEXT ITEM WAS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

AND. OH. AGAIN? NO, THAT WAS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION.

SORRY. THANK YOU. AND THAT TAKES US TO 15. THERE ARE NO ORDINANCES.

16 NO ORDINANCES. TAKES US TO. 17 PUBLIC COMMENT.

MADAM CLERK, I HAVE NONE. MAYOR DIDN'T YOU ADD.

14 THANK YOU. 14 F THANK YOU, MR. MCCONNELL. I HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

I'LL GO BACK UP TO 14 F, WHICH WAS ADDED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE AGENDA TO DISCUSS, LEGISLATIVE ISSUES.

THANK YOU COUNCIL, FOR ALLOWING THAT TO HAPPEN.

I DID TALK TO MR. YOUNG AND TO MR. MCCONNELL YESTERDAY ABOUT AN UPDATE ON THE LEGISLATION FOR HOUSE BILL 4005 AND ALSO WHAT OUR STRATEGIES ARE FOR OUR LOBBYIST AND MR. COLE AND HOW WE'RE WORKING WITH MR. COLE ON, ON THAT ISSUE AND ALSO ON SENATE BILL 180.

SO MR. MCCONNELL, IF YOU HAVE ANY UPDATES THAT YOU HAVE TO SHARE WITH US ON.

SURE. THANK YOU. MAYOR. SB 180 CURRENTLY IN LITIGATION.

AS YOU ALL KNOW, I PERIODICALLY SEND YOU UPDATE EMAILS.

I'VE SENT ONE RECENTLY AND THAT IS OBVIOUSLY ATTORNEY CLIENT CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION NOT AVAILABLE FOR THE PUBLIC BECAUSE WE ARE NAMED IN THE COMPLAINT.

SO THAT WILL BECOME A PUBLIC RECORD. IF ANYONE WANTS TO REQUEST IT, THE ANSWER WILL BE NO RIGHT NOW.

BUT ONCE THE CASE IS RESOLVED, THEN YOU CAN HAVE AT IT.

SO THAT'S THE UPDATE THERE. I DON'T REALLY WANT TO GET INTO THE SPECIFIC DETAILS JUST BECAUSE THAT'S LITIGATION WITH REGARDS TO SB 180.

HOWEVER, WITH HB 4005 LAST TIME WE MET, I THINK I HAD MENTIONED THE FACT THAT IT HAD MOVED THROUGH THE HOUSE PRETTY SWIFTLY, 112 TO 1. THE ONE ZERO WAS A REPRESENTATIVE OUT OF ORLANDO STILL TRYING TO GET A CALL WITH HIM BECAUSE I WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY HE VOTED NO.

I JUST AM CURIOUS BECAUSE IT KIND OF STANDS OUT WHEN YOU HAVE 112 YESES STRATEGY RIGHT NOW.

IT'S GOING TO. THE RULES COMMITTEE HAS NOT BEEN SET YET. THE MOMENT THAT IT IS. I WILL NOTIFY YOU OF OF THAT CALENDARING ONCE IT GOES TO THE RULES COMMITTEE.

BUT I'M BEING TOLD IS ALL THESE LOCAL BILLS GET PASSED TO THE SENATE FLOOR TOGETHER.

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UNLESS THE SENATOR PULLS IT. SO OUR LOBBYISTS AND JAMIE COLE, WE HAVE CONSTANT COMMUNICATION.

WE HAVE A MEETING LATER THIS WEEK. I'M STILL TRYING TO STRATEGIZE WHAT THE LOBBYISTS WILL BE DOING WITH THEIR CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SENATORS.

BUT WITHOUT GETTING INTO ANY MORE DETAILS RIGHT NOW, I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY UNCOMFORTABLE AS I AM WITH AN UPDATE, IF THAT'S OKAY. OKAY. I THE REASON I ASK IS I HAD QUESTIONS ON IT FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC.

SO THAT'S WHY I ASKED MR. YOUNG AND ASKED MR. MCCONNELL IF IF WE COULD GO OVER UPDATES ON IT, BECAUSE I WAS NOT SURE WHAT WAS HAPPENING WITH THE SENATE, AND MAYBE MR. YOUNG CAN CLARIFY IF ANYTHING HE KNOWS.

FROM LISA HURLEY'S REPORTS, AND THAT IS THAT THIS SENATE SESSION IS ENDING ON THE 15TH OF MARCH. AND WITH THAT THEY MIGHT BE EXTENDING THIS OR ARE EXTENDING THE OR HAVING A SPECIAL SESSION ON THE BUDGET. AND I DID NOT KNOW THE QUESTION CAME TO ME AS IF IT WAS NOT IN THE RULES COMMITTEE, SENATE BILL 4005. WHERE WHERE WOULD IT LAND IF IF IT WASN'T IN THIS LAST RULES COMMITTEE? SO MR. MCCONNELL ANSWERED THAT TOO. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT.

OR HAVE ANY UPDATE YOURSELF. MR. YOUNG FROM LISA HURLEY ON ANYTHING THAT'S HAPPENING IN.

NO, I MEAN 24005. LISA HURLEY WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE STATEMENTS THAT MATTHEW HAS MADE AND THAT WHERE IT RESIDES.

SO. AND THE PROCESSES BY WHICH IT WILL END UP ON THIS IN A IN A SENATE VOTE.

SO I HAVE NO, NO DIFFERENCES THERE FROM THE OTHER LEGISLATIVE ITEMS, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS OUR LEGISLATIVE APPROPRIATIONS REQUEST, THEY ALL DID RECEIVE LOCAL SPONSORSHIP, BUT NOTHING'S MOVED VERY FAR IN THE BUDGET PROCESS.

AND THEY'RE CONFIDENT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A YOU KNOW, THEY'LL BREAK AND THEN THEY'LL COME BACK FOR ANOTHER SESSION ON THE BUDGET.

SO I'VE HAD THAT PART OF THE DISCUSSION. I YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET THE LEGISLATIVE UPDATES AND THE FLC, FLC UPDATES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A HANDFUL OF THINGS THAT ARE THAT THAT I MYSELF PAY SPECIAL ATTENTION TO.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES WE HANG OUR HAT ON. THE ONLY THING WE HAVE LEFT IS BTR AND THE CORRESPONDING LICENSE THAT WE HAVE THERE THAT IS SOMEWHAT UNDER ASSAULT IN TALLAHASSEE RIGHT NOW. FROM A MONETARY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S ABOUT 245,000, BUT IT'S MORE ABOUT THIS.

THE THE IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY PART OF IT. IT'S AS MUCH ABOUT IS DO WE HAVE ANY MECHANISM TO KNOW WHO'S COMING IN AND OUT AND OPERATING IN WITHIN YOUR JURISDICTION? THE OTHER ONE IS OBVIOUSLY THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM IS IS ALWAYS THE PROPERTY TAXES.

THE ONLY THING I FOUND FROM LISA AT THIS MOMENT IS DON'T REACT TOO MUCH TO WHAT IS GOING ON.

THE HOUSE BILL, THE MOST RECENT ONE ACTUALLY PUT THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION 100% MEANING THAT IF IT WAS PASSED THAT IT WOULD DO AWAY WITH THE TAXES.

TO PUT THAT IN YOUR PERSPECTIVE. AND I'VE MENTIONED IT IN A COUPLE HOA'S OUR GENERAL FUND IS 72% OF IT IS TAX, PROPERTY TAXES AND A BITE OF THAT AT 40% OF OUR PROPERTY VALUES IS ABOUT $19.5 MILLION.

AND THE SAME BILL SAID, AND YOU CAN CANNOT TOUCH PUBLIC SAFETY.

SO MY ONLY POINT TO YOU WHAT YOU COULD WHAT YOU WOULD FUND AT THAT POINT, AND I'M ONLY SAYING THIS IS TO GIVE YOU, NOT TO SCARE YOU, BUT WHY DON'T OVERREACT TO IT IS THAT WOULD MEAN YOU'D HAVE YOUR COUNCIL AND MAYOR, YOUR CITY ATTORNEY, YOUR CITY CLERK TO KEEP THE RECORDS.

YOU'D HAVE POLICE, FIRE PAY, ADP TO DO YOUR PAYROLL, AND YOU WOULD HAVE THE ETHICS BECAUSE AND YOU'D STILL BE 500,000 SHORT.

SO THAT MEANS YOU'D HAVE NO COMMUNITY SERVICES DEPARTMENT.

YOU'D HAVE NO CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE, NO FINANCE DEPARTMENT.

THAT KIND OF BILL DOESN'T WARRANT TO HAVE DISCUSSION, DOESN'T MEAN I DIDN'T REACH OUT TO SENATOR PASSIDOMO AND SAY, DOES IT HAVE THAT KIND OF LEGS IN THE SENATE? AND SO THAT'S THE KIND OF BEHIND THE SCENES THINGS THAT I DO WITH LISA.

ALSO CORRESPONDING WITH SENATOR PASSIDOMO, THE SENATE IS IN A MUCH DIFFERENT PLACE AND IF ANYTHING CHANGES IN BILLS, WE EVALUATE THEM FOR THEIR FINANCIAL IMPACT. SO THAT'S ONE TO KEEP AN EYE ON.

BUT AGAIN, IT STILL WOULD HAVE TO BE VOTED ON.

AND I'M I'M OF THE OPINION THAT COMMON SENSE WILL PREVAIL IN ANY PHASE IN WILL BE AN INCREASE IN THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION,

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SO AND THEN THE LAST TWO THAT I KEEP A VERY KEEN EYE ON IS THE ONES AS IT PERTAINS TO UTILITIES.

ONE IS THAT IT SAYS IF YOU SERVICE AN AREA OUTSIDE YOUR JURISDICTION, MUNICIPALITIES MAY NOT AUTOMATICALLY CHARGE AN INCREASED PERCENTAGE.

SO PART OF WHERE YOU KEEP YOUR COSTS DOWN TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS IS WHEN YOU SERVE A BROADER AREA.

THE OTHER PART OF IT, AND THE MOST UNIQUE PART OF THAT ONE ALSO SAYS, AS IT RELATES TO THE UTILITIES THAT IT MANDATES THAT A MUNICIPALITY UTILITY. PROVIDE EXTRA TERRITORIAL SERVICE.

WHICH MEANS THE QUESTION WHEN WE TALK. ABOUT WHEN A PROPERTY IS BEING DEVELOPED AND.

DO YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE WATER? OR ANY OTHER THINGS.

SO IF IT'S WITHIN YOUR TERRITORIAL AREA AND THERE'S EXTRA AND YOU HAVE CAPACITY.

YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO DENY. SO THOSE ARE SOME COUPLE THINGS THAT ARE MAKING THEIR WAY THROUGH.

BUT NOTHING YOU KNOW, NOTHING'S EARTH SHATTERING THAT'S COMING DOWN THE PIKE.

THERE'S NO. DOING AWAY WITH CRA LIKE THERE WAS LAST YEAR.

THAT AT LEAST HAS ANY SIGNIFICANT LEGS THAT I'VE SEEN.

BUT THE PROPERTY TAX ONE REMAINS THE MOST ELUSIVE AND IN SOME REGARDS, THE MOST CONTROVERSIAL THERE.

SO WE JUST HAVE TO LET IT PLAY OUT AND DO THE BEST WE CAN WITH MONITORING IT.

SO, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. I GUESS, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOK AT SENATE BILL 4005 WE ALL MADE IN THE PAST DECISION THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO MAKE ANY CONCESSIONS IN OFFERING CHANGES FOR THE BILL. THAT WE WANTED TO SAY WE JUST DON'T WANT THE BILL TO BE APPROVED WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING NOW.

IS THERE BEING THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GOING TO GO THROUGH.

IS THERE ANY CORRESPONDENCE THAT NEEDS TO COME FROM THIS COUNCIL TO THE RULES COMMITTEE OR THE APPROPRIATE PEOPLE? THAT'S WHY I WAS ASKING WHAT THE IF OUR LOBBYISTS THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT HE WAS WANTED TO DO. OR IF, YOU KNOW, HE WAS JUST STICKING WITH THE HARD LINES BECAUSE LOSING THE POWER TO APPOINT MEMBERS IS GOING TO BE CRUCIAL.

AND THEN THOSE MEMBERS THAT ARE GOING TO COME FROM THE COUNTY WILL HAVE TO HAVE AN ELECTION, WHICH, AS THOSE WHO JUST CAME OFF OF A CAMPAIGN TO 100, $200,000 TO RAISE MONEY TO TO GET VOTED IN.

IS THERE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO? MR. MCCONNELL OR THIS TO THIS BODY THAT WE SHOULD WRITE OUT TO THOSE POWERS THAT BE AND SAY THESE THINGS ARE, YOU KNOW, CRUCIAL THINGS THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT.

I'M, I'M ABOUT SAYING DON'T DO IT, BUT ARE THERE THINGS IN THE BILL THAT WE CAN ADDRESS BY A LETTER TO THE UP AND COMING COMMITTEE? IT'S GOING TO. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, DO YOU MEAN WAYS TO AMEND IT TO MAKE IT MORE PALATABLE, OR DO YOU MEAN REASONS WHY? THIS IS WHY WE ARE SO STEADFASTLY OPPOSED I EITHER OR, YOU KNOW.

PLEASE. THESE ARE OUR CONCERNS AND MAKING IT KNOWN.

BECAUSE TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE HAVE NOT SENT A LETTER FROM THIS BODY.

CORRECT. THE ONLY LETTER THIS BODY HAS SENT IS TO THE LOBBYIST.

RIGHT. GIVING THEM CLEAR DIRECTION ON WHAT TO LOBBY.

REASON, I GUESS, WHAT TO USE AS REASONS WHY THE BILL SHOULD NOT MOVE FORWARD.

BUT THAT LETTER WAS VERY CLEAR NOT TO MODIFY BUT TO DEFEAT THE BILL.

AND SO IS IT I MEAN, WE HAVE ASKED OUR COMMUNITY TO GO AND BE ADVOCATES AND WRITE LETTERS AND OPPOSITION, BUT WE HAVE NOT FORMALLY WRITTEN A LETTER OF OPPOSITION OR SPECIFICS THAT ARE GOING TO BE DETRIMENTAL LIKE THE ONE I JUST MENTIONED. I'LL SPEAK FOR ME. I'VE SPOKEN WITH HIM MANY TIMES AND TOLD THEM WHY.

THIS IS A REALLY BAD IDEA. AND THE FACT IS THEY IN GENERAL AGREE.

YEAH, WE HATE THAT WE ARE PUT IN THIS POSITION KIND OF THING.

SO THAT'S IRONIC I GUESS. BUT YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL HELP.

I'M, I AM QUITE CERTAIN THAT THAT THEY KNOW WHERE WE STAND ON IT, BUT IT MAY HELP TO HIT THEM,

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IN MY 45 YEARS IN POLITICS, WHEN YOU PLAY THE GAME OF ALL OR NOTHING AT ALL, YOU BETTER BE PREPARED FOR THE FULL LOSS AND THE RAMIFICATIONS THEREOF. IF YOU DON'T GIVE ANY NEGOTIATING ROOM WHATSOEVER, THIS COULD BECOME A BIG PROBLEM THAT'LL COME TO BITE US RIGHT ON THE SNOUT. BUT ALL OR NOTHING AT ALL IN POLITICS IS A BAD POLICY.

WELL, THERE'S NOT REALLY MUCH TO TO SAY THAT WE SUPPORT.

I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN A LETTER YOU HAVE TO TALK ABOUT.

WELL, IT'S A CITY ASSET. WE HAVE TO REEVALUATE THE FUTURE OF THAT ASSET.

AND COOLING, YOU KNOW, AND I WOULD SUGGEST DO NOTHING WITH THE LEASE YET.

YOU KNOW UNTIL THIS IS DECIDED ON BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO IMPLICATE WHETHER THAT LEASE GETS RENEWED.

MAYBE THAT'S MY CONCERN. SO. SO AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT ANYBODY SHOULD LOSE CONTROL OVER THEIR ASSET.

YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT PROPERTY RIGHTS.

PROPERTY RIGHTS. WHAT ABOUT THE CITY'S PROPERTY RIGHTS? AND, YOU KNOW, AND SO I THINK IF WE DO A LETTER, I THINK WE SHOULD JUST FOREWARN BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S SOME EVIL DOERS BEHIND THIS THING. YOU KNOW, FOREWARN WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN TO AND YOU MAY NOT GET WHAT THEY WANT IN THE END.

AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD POINT TO DO THE LETTER.

ANYWAY, THAT'S MY VIEW. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YES, GENTLEMEN.

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT I THINK WE'RE AT A VERY SENSITIVE POINT IN TIME HERE.

AND I THINK WE'VE GOT TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT ANY KIND OF STRATEGIES, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.

AND I THINK, MR. YOUNG, WITHOUT PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT, YOU DO HAVE SOMEWHAT FREQUENT CONVERSATIONS WITH? WITH KATHLEEN. YEAH, BUT I HAVEN'T PERSONALLY LOBBIED ANY OF THEM RELATED TO THE AIRPORT.

I'VE LEFT THAT TO THE LOBBYIST AND THE AND THE ATTORNEY THAT WERE HIRED FOR THOSE PURPOSES.

YEAH. I KEEP A CONSTANT EYE AND LISA KEEPS REGULAR UPDATES AS WELL SO THAT WE'RE HEARING AS WELL, BUT I DON'T I HAVEN'T CALLED THEM INDIVIDUALLY.

I KNOW COLLECTIVELY, I THINK IT WAS FROM THE DAIS, EVERYONE SAID, WELL, WE NEED TO EACH DO OUR PART AND HAVE THE CONVERSATIONS.

AND I DON'T WANT TO SAY I HAVEN'T HAD ONE EVER WITH THEM, BUT I HAVEN'T KEPT UP WITH IT WITH MISS PASSIDOMO.

WHAT'S THIS? I'VE LEFT THAT TO THE THE POLITICAL INDIVIDUALS CONTACTED MISS PASSIDOMO AFTER THE INITIAL CONTACT, AND I HAVEN'T HAD A CONVERSATION WITH HER ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR ISSUE EITHER, SO.

OKAY. AND SO IF WE WERE TO WRITE A LETTER FROM THIS BODY OPPOSING ANY OF THIS, WHICH WE HAVE NOT DONE, WE'VE LEFT IT UP TO THE LOBBYISTS.

WHO WOULD IT GO TO? THE, I DON'T KNOW, TO OUR DELEGATES TO OUR I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, I CAN, I CAN FIND OUT, BUT JUST TO SET EXPECTATIONS.

I MEAN, IT COULD BE SET FOR RULES COMMITTEE ON FRIDAY FOR ALL I KNOW.

AND I DON'T I'M JUST I MEAN, THESE THESE MEETINGS HAPPEN.

IT'S NOT LIKE US PUBLISHING AN AGENDA AND GETTING SEVEN DAYS NOTICE.

I MEAN, THESE THESE THINGS ARE NOTICED WITHIN 24 TO 48 HOURS.

SO I CAN SPEAK TO THE LOBBYISTS. WE WON'T PROBABLY MEET AGAIN AS A COUNCIL WHEN I GET THAT ANSWER.

SO. IF A MAJORITY OF YOU WANT ME TO TO WORK THROUGH A LETTER, THEN I'D BE HAPPY TO. I ON ITS FACE, I THINK IT WOULD LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO THE LETTER THAT WE SENT THE LOBBYIST ALREADY, BECAUSE IT LISTS OUT ALL THE REASONS THAT COUNCIL FOUND ISSUE WITH IT.

THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVEN'T MAYBE ARE NOT AWARE OF THAT, SO I COULD SEND IT TO THEM AND SEE IF THEY HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL THINGS TO SEND.

BUT I GUESS. YEAH. SO MY QUESTION IS, IS I WAS ABLE TO SEE THE FIRST PRESENTATION FROM OUR LOBBYIST, BUT I HAVE NOT SEEN ANY FURTHER REPRESENTATION OR ACTIVITIES.

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THE VIDEOS HAVE BEEN SENT TO ALL OF YOU EVERY TIME IT'S BEEN OUT OF COMMITTEE, BUT I CAN PUT THAT TOGETHER AND RESEND YOU ONE EMAIL.

MAYBE NOT. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ AND COUNCILMEMBER CROW, BUT THE CITY COUNCIL, EVERY TIME IT WAS AT COMMITTEE, I SENT THE VIDEO LINK. YOU SENT A VIDEO LINK TO COUNCIL.

WHEN IT WAS, IT WAS EITHER ME OR MONIQUE WHEN IT WAS BEING PRESENTED.

CORRECT. WHEN THE ITEM WAS BEING PRESENTED, SIMILAR TO THE LINK THAT YOU PULLED UP FOR THE FIRST MEETING, THOSE LINKS WERE CIRCULATED TO COUNCIL EVERY TIME IT WAS OUT OF COMMITTEE. I BETTER CHECK MY EMAIL.

YEAH. YEAH. I DON'T REMEMBER SEEING THOSE LINKS AGAIN WITHOUT PLAYING ALL OR NOTHING AT ALL.

WE COULD APPEAL TO PERHAPS BETTER SENSES, BECAUSE POSITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN FORMED IN A NUMBER OF LEGISLATORS EYES, THAT NAPLES IS JUST A BUNCH OF PETULANT CHILDREN WE CAN'T CONTROL.

WE'RE GOING TO WHIP THEM INTO LINE, AS IT WERE.

NOT SAYING IT'S VALID OR NOT, BUT THAT IS A PERCEPTION.

WHAT WE COULD DO IS THROW OURSELVES AT THE MERCY TO A POINT SAYING, LOOK, WE JUST THERE'S BEEN A CHANGE OF THREE MEMBERS AND NOBODY WILL BE WRITING YOU LETTERS, CURSING AT ANYBODY AND THEN DOUBLING DOWN ON IT.

AND THAT PERHAPS YOU COULD HOLD IN ABEYANCE FOR A YEAR TO SEE HOW THE NEW CITY COUNCIL COMPOSITION MIGHT RESULT IN THIS NOT HAVING TO HAPPEN. SO JUST IF YOU COULD SIT ON IT FOR A YEAR AND LET US CONTINUE ABOUT OUR AFFAIRS, THAT THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE PALATABLE TO THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE HARD AND FAST OPINIONS ON THIS CITY RIGHT NOW.

I THINK YOU GOT TO GIVE EVERYBODY AN OFF RAMP.

AND THAT ONE WOULD SAY, HEY, LET'S WATCH YOU FOR A YEAR AND SEE IF THINGS HAVE CHANGED IN THE COMPOSITION OF THE CITY AND THE DEMEANOR WITH WHICH WE ARE PERCEIVED BY OTHER ENTITIES, THE BEST WE CAN DO AND HOPE FOR AN ALL OR NOTHING AT ALL IS BUY TIME AND GIVE EVERYBODY A WAY TO GET AN OFF RAMP AND NOT PAYING OURSELVES IN A POSITION OF ALL OR NOTHING AT ALL.

KRAMER I'VE. FROM THE BEGINNING, I. VOTED AS PART OF UNANIMOUS DECISION WITH PREVIOUS COUNCIL TO ENLIST. THE LOBBYIST AND BE THE ALL OR NOTHING AT ALL, BUT ONLY BECAUSE I WANTED TO HAVE A UNITED FRONT. I'VE SAID FROM THE BEGINNING, WHEN YOU STOP TALKING, BAD THINGS HAPPEN AND.

WE WERE TOLD FROM THE VERY BEGINNING THAT THE ODDS OF A UNANIMOUS LOCAL BILL NOT PASSING WERE MINUSCULE.

AND THE MORE YOU STIR THE POT, THE MORE YOU TALK ABOUT IT LIKE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. THE LOWER THE ODDS GO OF IT NOT PASSING.

HAVING SAID THAT AGAIN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, I'M A COACH, WE DO TEAM THINGS AND THAT'S WHY I SAID, OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO DO WHATEVER WE'RE GOING TO DO TOGETHER.

WE WILL SINK OR SWIM TOGETHER. BUT I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN FOR COMMUNICATION AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN FOR IT.

YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT A 99% CHANCE OF THAT BILL PASSING AND THEN THEY ALL COME AND SAYS, HEY, THERE'S SOMETHING I WANT TO DO TO CURE IT OR NOT CURE IT, BUT TO AMEND IT TO MAKE IT MORE PALATABLE. YEAH. LET'S FIND A WAY TO DO THAT NOW.

THE PEOPLE THAT ARE PUSHING US TO DIE ON THIS HILL WILL HEAR NONE OF THAT.

I GET HAMMERED THAT YOU'RE GIVING IN OR WHATEVER.

AND ACTUALLY, I'M LIVING IN REALITY AND ALSO REALIZING THAT WE HAVE TO THERE ARE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE REPRESENTING US THAT THEY WERE ELECTED AS WELL, AND WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THEM AND ASK THEM FOR HOW, I DON'T KNOW, HOW MANY DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND HOW MUCH MONEY AND HOW MUCH HELP OVER THE NEXT FEW YEARS NOW ARE THE TWO EXCLUSIVE? YEAH.

SHOULD BE ABLE TO COMPARTMENTALIZE THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ALWAYS THE CASE.

I DO KNOW WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. SO I, AGAIN, I THINK WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO IS UNITED FRONT.

I WISH IT WOULD DIE A SLOW DEATH OR A LOUD DEATH OR WHATEVER.

I'M NOT SURE THAT'S GOING TO BE THE CASE. AND IF YOU TALK TO THE AUTHOR OF IT, HE'LL SAY, THAT IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

WELL THE, THE N WORD IS IN POLITICS NEVER IS A VERY BIG TERM FOR FIVE LETTERS.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S. HOWEVER, WE COULD DELAY IT.

YOU KNOW, THE GOAL IS TO NOT. AND I HATE TALKING STRATEGY AND I KNOW WE HAVE TO DO IT IN PUBLIC.

IT'S JUST AMAZING. BUT IF IF THE GOAL IS FOR THAT THING NOT TO BECOME LAW

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BY TIME, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, BUT I KNOW THAT ALL OR NOTHING.

YOU'RE RIGHT. YOU BETTER BE READY FOR NOTHING WHEN YOU MAKE IT ALL OR NOTHING. CARL AND THEN BARTON.

YEAH. THIS IS PROBABLY THE ONE OF THE BIGGEST DISCONNECTS.

I MEAN, IT'S COMMON SENSE. PEOPLE WANT HOME RULE OF THEIR ASSETS AND ALL THAT.

AND YET THE STATE HOUSE IS JUST OFF ON THEIR OWN TANGENT.

AND IT'S SUCH A BIG DISCONNECT TO ME THAT, YOU KNOW I THINK THE ONLY WAY TO REALLY PUT THIS IS THROUGH THE PUBLIC.

THE PUBLIC HAVE ENGAGED ON THIS WITH THEIR REPRESENTATIVES AND REALLY START PUTTING, YOU KNOW, GO TO THEIR OFFICES, GO CALL THEM NONSTOP, WHATEVER.

BUT WE NEED PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST DISCONNECTS I'VE SEEN.

AND LOBBYISTS I DON'T THINK IS GOING TO ACCOMPLISH MUCH FOR US.

I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE WE NEED REALLY STRONG PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.

IT'S THERE. THE PEOPLE WANT TO KEEP THE HOME RULE.

I MEAN, IT'S AND THESE REPS ARE JUST KIND OF TURNING THE BACK ON THE PEOPLE IN A WAY AND DOING WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.

AND I THINK IT'S A BIG MISTAKE ON THEIR PART, BUT BUT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST THING WE NEED AT THIS POINT.

OKAY. WELL, I THINK THROUGH MY EMAILS, I HAVE SEEN PUBLIC PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT.

SO YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST WONDERING FROM THIS BODY TO WHETHER WE NEEDED TO DO ANY FURTHER ACTION.

COUNCILMAN. BARTON AS FAR AS ACTION I WOULD BE FINE WITH A LETTER.

I. I MAYBE THE LETTER SHOULD INCORPORATE A HEY, CAN YOU GUYS PUMP THE BRAKES ON THIS FOR, FOR A YEAR? YOU KNOW, HERE'S, HERE'S WHY. HERE IS A, YOU KNOW, A FORMAL LETTER THAT SAYS, HERE'S WHY WE DON'T LIKE IT. HERE'S WHY OUR CONSTITUENTS DON'T LIKE IT, RIGHT? CAN WE PUMP THE BRAKES ON THIS? WE'VE GOT NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS. WE DID A GOOD JOB.

WE FEEL LIKE WE CHOSE WISELY ON THE LAST TWO APPOINTEES.

YOU KNOW, LET THEM FOCUS ON WHAT WE DID MOST RECENTLY.

AND WE'VE GOT NEW NEW BLOOD UP HERE. YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN GET THEM TO DELAY, BUT ALSO INCORPORATE THAT REQUEST IN A LETTER THAT SAYS, BY THE WAY, THIS IS WHY WE DON'T LIKE IT. I'M, I'M ALL FOR THAT.

I THINK AT THIS POINT IN TIME, WE NEED TO CAPITULATE A LITTLE BIT TO TRY TO, TO TRY TO GET SOMETHING.

AND A DELAY WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF WE COULD GET THEM TO PUMP THE BRAKES AND NOT DO THIS.

I MEAN, SO I WOULD BE ALL FOR THAT IF THAT'S IF THAT'S SOMETHING THE BODY THINKS IS A GOOD IDEA. AND I WOULD ADD ALONG THOSE LINES, AFTER YOU LIST THE REASONS WHY WE OPPOSED. I THINK IT SHOULD BE IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE LET EVERYBODY KNOW THAT WE WANT TO COLLABORATE WITH THE NOAA. WE WOULD LIKE TO WORK TOGETHER WITH THEM AND PROBLEM SOLVE.

WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON THE NOISE AND IT'S BEEN AN IMPROVEMENT WITH THE NEW FLIGHT PATH. THAT'S A FACT. AND THERE AND THERE'S PLENTY MORE THAT WE CAN DO.

AND WE'D LOVE TO CONSIDER OPENING THE LEASE. WE'RE ALREADY LOOKING INTO THAT. AND WE'D LIKE TO FIND WAYS TO MONETIZE THE AIRPORT FOR THE CITY.

WE BEING ME FOR SURE. SO I THINK, BUT IN SHORT, TO SAY WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO WORK WITH THE FAA.

WE WANT TO BE PARTNERS WITH THEM. WE WANT TO COLLABORATE.

AND I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART OF IT TOO.

AND BASICALLY SAY, WATCH, WATCH US DO THIS. WATCH WHAT WE DO FOR A YEAR, SEE HOW THAT GOES, SEE HOW THIS RELATIONSHIP DEVELOPS. AND, AND MAYBE WE CAN JUST SHELVE IT THAT LONG.

WE, WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT THAT THERE'S ELEMENTS IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT ARE ACTIVELY ANTI WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, THAT THEY ARE FUNDING THIS WHOLE THING. I HAD A CONVERSATION WHEN I WAS A CANDIDATE WITH A VERY PROMINENT PERSON WHO SAYS, I TALKED ABOUT HANA EVERY SINGLE DAY, AND YOU GUYS ARE JUST YOU GONE TOO FAR.

THIS COUNCIL HAS GONE TOO FAR. WE'RE JUST GOING TO PUSH THIS AND STICK IT DOWN YOUR THROATS THAT WE CAN'T.

WE HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO BUY THESE ELECTIONS IF WE CAN GET IT OPEN TO THE COUNTY.

THERE ARE ELEMENTS IN OUR TOWN THAT ARE DOING THAT ACTIVELY AGAINST US.

WHAT WE WANT TO DO AS THE ELECTED LEADERS, THESE ARE THE FINANCIAL PEOPLE THAT ARE FUNDING ALL THIS STUFF.

AND THEY ARE. THEY'RE JUST SAYING WE DIDN'T GET A PLACE AT THE TABLE IN THE ELECTION.

THEREFORE, WE'RE GOING TO STICK IT DOWN YOUR THROATS THERE.

WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT THAT THOSE PEOPLE EXIST AND THEY EXIST IN OUR MIDST, THAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE, BUT THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE DEEP, DEEP POCKETS THAT FINANCE A LOT OF THINGS.

BUT THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO WIN AT THE BALLOT BOX HERE.

AND THAT THAT IS REAL. BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY'RE IMMUNIZED IN ANY OTHER WAY BECAUSE THEY CAN WRITE CHECKS.

WE CAN'T COUNTER IN ANY RESPECTFUL WAY. SO THAT'S JUST ANOTHER FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

I'M SORRY FOR. NO, I. AGAIN. SO I THINK THAT

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I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT WOULD BE LISTEN, WE'RE GOING TO WORK TOGETHER AND THEY'RE DOING A FABULOUS JOB AND WE'RE GOING TO WORK.

WHATEVER. JUST SOMETHING THAT THAT DOESN'T SOUND OPPOSITIONAL BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, ALL WE'VE BEEN IS THAT AND MAYBE FOR GOOD REASON, RIGHT? BUT NONETHELESS FINDING A REASON TO GIVE THEM AN OFF RAMP AS, AS MY COLLEAGUE SAID, A WAY TO DO THAT. SO WE'LL START WITH BARTON.

YES. TO WRITING A FRIENDLY LETTER OF OPPOSITION.

AND HERE'S THE REASONS WHY. AND, AND THE, THE OFF RAMP, YOU KNOW, HEY, CAN WE CAN YOU GUYS GIVE US, GIVE US 365 DAYS? LET US, LET US WORK, LET US TRY TO WORK THIS TO A DEGREE THAT'S GOING TO PLEASE EVERYONE.

SO I THINK THAT WE NEED TO AGAIN, THE LETTER SHOULD EXPRESS OUR ISSUES WITH IT, BUT ALSO TELL THEM WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS HAVE THEM JUST WAIT, WAIT AND SEE TYPE OF APPROACH. MAYBE WE CAN GET THEM TO DELAY THE THE INEVITABLE, IF YOU WILL, BY FOR A YEAR OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE. I THINK THE LETTER SHOULD, YOU KNOW, MAKE SOME TYPE OF OFFER IN THAT REGARD.

COUNCIL MEMBER. YEAH, I DEFINITELY AM FOR SENDING A LETTER.

AND I, AND I'M, I'M WILLING TO USE LEVERAGE IN A LETTER THAT MAYBE A LOT OF PEOPLE MAY FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE ABOUT, BUT I'D BE MORE COMFORTABLE. BUT, BUT EXTENDING IT IS A GREAT, GREAT THING BECAUSE IT BUYS US MORE TIME.

BUT AGAIN, ONCE WE COULD LOSE THAT LEVERAGE VERY EASILY.

YOU KNOW, THE LEASE EXTENSION, THAT LEVERAGE IS GONE, YOU KNOW.

YEAH. SO WE HAVE TO REALIZE THAT TOO. SO BUT I'M DEFINITELY FOR SENDING A LETTER.

IT SHOULD BE SHOULD BE DONE. CRAFTED OUT PRETTY WELL, I THINK.

IT'S OUR LAST SHOT, RIGHT? YEAH. YEP. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

I JUST SORT OF WONDER IF MAYBE, THOUGH, WE OUGHT TO SUGGEST THAT OBVIOUSLY THEY'VE SEEN MERITS TO THIS, THAT SOMEHOW OR OTHER WE HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO FLESH OUT.

AND COULD THEY EXPLAIN TO US WHAT WHAT THEY PERCEIVED TO BE? I THINK THAT THEN IT APPEARS AS THOUGH WE REALLY ARE MAYBE SPENDING OUR TIME FRUITFULLY.

JUST AS A THOUGHT. ALSO, IT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION, RIGHT? GIVE US THE IMPETUS. THAT. WE NEED TO LOWER THE DECIBEL LEVEL QUITE A BIT.

WE NEED TO NOT BE THREATENING ANYBODY. WE NEED TO BE THROWING SORT OF AN OLIVE BRANCH OF SOME SORT THAT WE'RE NOT TOTALLY UNREASONABLE BECAUSE THEY VIEWED THE THE ACTION OF REJECTING THE FAA LOAN.

THEY VIEWED THAT AS ABSOLUTELY STUPIDITY. THAT'S THEIR VIEW.

I'M NOT SAYING THEY'RE RIGHT. HOW IN THE HELL CAN YOU DO THAT? YES, WE UNDERSTOOD WHY THAT ALL HAPPENED, BUT THAT'S HOW THEY POINT TO AND SAY, YOU'RE NOT EVEN RATIONAL.

THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO GIVE YOU ALMOST $10 MILLION AND YOU JUST SAY NO. SO THEY VIEW THAT AS AN IRRATIONAL RESPONSE BY AN ELECTED BODY.

HOWEVER, THERE ARE THREE NEW MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD.

AND THE BEST, THE SMARTEST THING FROM MY VANTAGE POINT OF MANY YEARS IS GIVE EVERYBODY A WAY OUT WHILE MAINTAINING YOUR DIGNITY AND LIVE TO PLAY ANOTHER DAY. AND AS BEST WE CAN DO THAT, WE SHOULD DO IT AND PROMISE WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE SWEARING AND CURSING AT ANY OF OUR REPRESENTATIVES IN WRITING AND SAY WE'LL DO IT AGAIN.

THOSE MEMBERS ARE GONE. AND SO I THINK JUST SEASONED DOWN A BIT AND TAKE THE DECIBEL LEVEL DOWN.

WE CAN'T BE THROWING THREATS AT ANYBODY WHEN WE'RE NOT HOLDING ANY TRUMP IN THIS CASE.

SO THANK YOU. I THINK WE HAVE A CONSENSUS TO WRITE A LETTER TO OUR.

OUR REPRESENTATIVES. AND I WOULD SAY THE RULES COMMITTEE THAT IT'S GOING TO WITH THE REASONS THAT ARE WITH THE COMMENTS THAT BARTON HAS MENTIONED AND ALSO WITH, WITH THE QUESTION OF WHAT MERIT THAT COUNCILWOMAN PENMAN INSERTED ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THAT. I THINK IT SHOULD GO ASAP.

MR.. MCCONNELL. SO IT DOESN'T COME FROM THE LEGAL PART AND BEING MORE OF A AUTHORITARIAN LEGAL ISSUE.

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SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE POSTURING. I, FOR ONE, WILL SERVE AS A VOLUNTEER TO MAKE THE TREK TO TALLAHASSEE WITH WHOMEVER FROM HERE TO SIT DOWN AND SAY, LOOK, LET'S JUST LET'S REASON ABOUT THIS FOR A BIT.

I'M A NEW MEMBER OF COUNCIL. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S WITH THE CITY MANAGER OR CITY ATTORNEY, WHOEVER IT WOULD BE.

I'D BE GLAD TO TAKE MY TIME AND GO DO THAT AND TRY TO FIND A METHOD OR A WAY TO WORK WITH THIS SITUATION A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN HAS BEEN IN THE PAST.

IF THERE'S A WAY. YEAH, MOST COUNCILS MIGHT JUST DO THAT GETTING THE PRIVATE JET AND GO UP THERE.

AND I DIDN'T MEAN IT LIKE THAT. DON'T YOU? I'D BE WILLING TO DRIVE.

WELL, IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO GET THERE SPONTANEOUSLY.

FLYING OUT OF FORT MYERS. YES, EXACTLY. RIGHT.

TO BE ABLE TO MEET WITH OUR DELEGATES OR. THAT COMMITTEE, BECAUSE I COULDN'T MAKE IT IF IT WAS A.

I'M OFFERING COMMITTEE MEETING. I'M OFFERING.

OKAY. WITH THAT I COULD, I COULD CONNECT HIM WITH OUR LOBBYISTS WHO ARE IN TALLAHASSEE.

YEAH. YOU CAN GO ON HIS. HE CAN GO IF NO ONE'S STOPPING HIM FROM GOING.

NO. HE STOPS ANY OF US FROM GOING. WELL, THAT'S TRUE, MAYOR, BUT IT'S IT'S STRONGER TO REPRESENT THE BODY THAN IT IS TO REPRESENT YOURSELF AS A COUNCIL MEMBER. SO IF IF IF I'M UNDERSTANDING HIM CORRECTLY, IF HE GOES.

I THINK HE NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO SAY. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE COUNCIL.

I'M NOT HERE JUST AS A NEWLY ELECTED COUNCIL MEMBER.

IF THIS IS A REALITY, IS ALL I'M SAYING, AND WE DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT THAT.

SO WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHEN THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.

YOU SAID IT COULD HAPPEN FRIDAY. IT COULD HAPPEN MONDAY. IT COULD HAPPEN NEXT WEEK WHILE WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A MEETING AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO, WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO LOSE HIM TO THAT. SO MAYBE JUST. KEEP US POSTED ON THAT.

MAYBE THE NEW PLAN MAY BE WORSE FOR THEM IN THE END ANYWAY.

DID THEY EVER THINK OF THAT? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I THINK EVERYBODY HERE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE AIRPORT SUCCESSFUL.

I MEAN, IT'S THE PEOPLE PUSHING THIS ARE NOT.

OKAY, SO BACK TO THE LETTER. SO, MR. YOUNG, IF I UNDERSTAND.

SO JUST FOR FOR CLARITY I HAVE NO PROBLEM HELPING TO FACILITATE THE LETTER ON YOUR BEHALF, SENDING IT TO OUR DELEGATION LIKE WE DO ALL LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES.

I WILL BE CONFIRMING WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY RELATED TO THE THE LETTER THAT WAS ALREADY SENT, BECAUSE I THINK FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD AND I AGREE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY THAT YOU START WITH THE PREMISE YOU'VE ALREADY SHARED WITH YOUR LOBBYIST.

THEN YOU BRING IN THE ELEMENTS THAT YOU HAD. I'D LIKE TO GET THAT THOSE PIECED TOGETHER AND THEN DISSEMINATE IT TO ALL OF YOU TO GAIN FEEDBACK AND INCLUDING MR. MCCONNELL. AND THEN, SO WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE AND DELIVER ONE LETTER WITH WITH, WITH ONE FOCUS.

AND IN THE NORMAL ROUTINE OF WHICH WE WOULD COMMUNICATE LEGISLATIVE MATTERS.

I WAS I WAS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT THE PERCEPTION OF OUR ATTORNEY SENDING A LETTER.

AND IT BEING PERCEIVED AS, YOU KNOW, A LEGAL ISSUE.

YEAH. THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT JUST THE NORMAL LEGISLATIVE YOU COULD COME FROM GARIN.

OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ON BEHALF OF US. YEAH.

YEAH. YES. AND I AGREE, YOU HAVE TO GET YOUR LEGAL FORMAT.

THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? OKAY.

THAT TAKES US TO CORRESPONDENCE AND COMMUNICATIONS.

[18) COMMUNICATIONS FROM MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, AND STAFF]

I'M MEETING ON THE 12TH OF MARCH WITH THE PELICAN BAY PEOPLE IN REGARDS TO THE WATER PARK.

I AM ADAMANTLY OPPOSED GIVEN WHERE I LIVE, IT'S ADJACENT TO MY PROPERTY AND MY NEIGHBORS.

I'M DEAD SET AGAINST IT. BUT I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK AS A SENSE OF THE COUNCIL WHO'S GOT NO DOG IN THE HUNT PER SE, AND THAT WE ABUT TO THE PROPERTY, BUT WE HAVE NO SAY WHAT HAPPENS THERE, BUT THAT I WOULD FEEL MUCH MORE CONFIDENT IN BEING ABLE TO SAY.

I'VE PULLED MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS AND IT WAS UNANIMOUS.

THAT AIN'T NONE OF US IN FAVOR OF THIS THING.

SO I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A SENSE OF THE OF THE COUNCIL THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THE DOG DOESN'T HUNT AS FAR AS THE CITY HALL GOES, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF IT OF THAT.

GO AHEAD AND GET THIS STARTED. I'M WITH HIM. NOPE.

WE DON'T WANT TO SAY ANYTHING. YOU'RE NOT IN. WE'RE NOT IN FAVOR.

OH, YOU'RE IN FAVOR OF HELPING ME? I'VE TALKED TO SAYS, NO, DO NOT BUILD THAT.

PRECISELY. BUT I'M GOING TO BE THERE AS THE ONLY ELECTED OFFICIAL.

AND SO I WOULD. I WANT YOUR BLESSING TO DO THAT.

SO THANK YOU. I MISUNDERSTOOD. YEAH, SO I APOLOGIZE.

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THAT'S WHAT I WANT. OKAY, SO BARTON AND KRAMER AND CORAL.

YEAH. SAME THING. AND PENMAN. YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO IT PARTICULARLY, BUT I HAVE TO SAY, PELICAN BAY IS VERY WELL ORGANIZED AND THEY'RE PAYING, PAYING SOME REALLY HANDSOME ATTORNEY FEES RELATIVE TO THIS PARTICULAR ACTION.

WOULD IT BE TO OUR ADVANTAGE TO WAIT TO SEE UNTIL THE NEXT SHOE FALLS AND THEN DECIDE AT THAT POINT WHETHER OR NOT IT LOOKS LIKE PELICAN BAY IS GOING TO PERHAPS PREVAIL. THAT'S THE ONE THOUGHT I HAVE.

I'M IN THE MIDST OF THIS, AND I'VE BEEN TALKING TO THE ORGANIZER OF THE EVENT, WHICH IS THE PELICAN BAY PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE ONE PROPERTY IN THERE.

THEY ASKED ME, AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PATRICK MCGRATH PARK SHORE AND MYSELF IS THE OFFICIAL MEMBER. AND THEN NED FELLOW FROM YEAH, FROM GSAC AND HE'S GOING TO SPEAK BECAUSE HE WAS ON THE PLANNING BOARD FOR THE COUNTY. AND SO THEY HAVE A VERY STRONG AGENDA OF WHAT THEY WANT TO DO FOR THIS.

AND YES, THEY ARE VERY WELL ORGANIZED. BUT THE PELICAN BAY FOUNDATION DOESN'T BELIEVE THEY HAVE A LEGAL LEG TO STAND ON TO STOP IT.

SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT THEIR HOA, SUNDRY HOA'S THAT ARE IN WITHIN PELICAN BAY.

A. AND WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT THE WAY THE POD.

THERE'S A VARIETY OF THINGS THAT EVERYBODY IS LOOKING AT.

BUT I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THIS SINCE I MEAN, FOR TWO AND A HALF, THREE YEARS.

WHEN IT FIRST WAS BREATHING. AND THEY'RE JUST GOING FORWARD BECAUSE THE VC.

ANYWAY, THE PRIVATE EQUITY PEOPLE THAT RUN IT.

SO IT'S NOT OUT HERE WHISTLING DIXIE. THEY'RE GOING TO DO WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO, BUT THEY'RE PUTTING THIS COUNCIL EXCUSE ME, THIS EVENT ON ON THE 12TH. AND I HAD ALREADY TALKED BRIEFLY WITH WITH COUNCIL AND GARY.

WOULD I I'M, I'M GOING NO MATTER WHAT, BUT I'D LIKE TO NOT SIT THERE AND TWIDDLE THUMBS AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS JUST ME WHISTLING DIXIE. THE ONLY OTHER THOUGHT I WOULD HAVE ABOUT THAT IS PERHAPS I HAVEN'T BEEN AS DEEP AS YOU HAVE, BUT I'VE CERTAINLY BEEN INVOLVED. AND I HAVE PUT PARTICULARLY YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR SEAGATE'S NEIGHBORHOOD IN TOUCH WITH SOME OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT THEY DIDN'T KNOW.

AND MY SENSE IS, IS THAT THEY'RE VISITING WITH EACH OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS TRYING TO ARGUE THEIR SIDE OF IT.

OKAY. CAN I CLARIFY SOMETHING ON THAT BECAUSE IS PELICAN BAY FOUNDATION IS OPPOSING OR SUPPORTING THIS? WELL, BUT THE THEY CAN'T OPPOSE IT LEGALLY IS WHAT I'M TOLD FROM THE PRESIDENT OF PELICAN BAY FOUNDATION.

SO THEY'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO CHALLENGE IT LEGALLY, AT LEAST IN THEIR OPINION.

BUT THEY'RE HAVING OTHER LACK OF A BETTER TERM SURROGATES TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THE ACTIONS THEMSELVES.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT. COMMISSIONER KOWALS AGAINST IT.

CHRISTOPHER CHRIS HALL, LORD KNOWS WHERE HE IS ON ANYTHING BECAUSE HE SPIKED A COMMITTEE WITH THE PELICAN BAY SERVICES DISTRICT IN REGARDS TO CLAM BAY.

SO HE'S THE WILD CARD. I THINK THERE ARE A COUPLE OTHER COMMISSIONERS THAT WOULD BE AGAINST IT, BUT IT'S GOING TO GO TO, EXCUSE ME, TO THE COUNTY PLANNING BOARD, AND THEY'RE GOING TO GET INTO THE BOWELS OF THE GOVERNMENT AND SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO.

THERE ARE A PLETHORA OF REASONS WHY THIS SHOULDN'T GO FORWARD.

BUT BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY THE REALITY IS THAT IF CHRIS FLIPS AND SAYS, HEY, I'M GOING TO PUSH THIS THING, THEN WE'RE SCREWED. SO THANK YOU. THAT'S THE CLARIFICATION I NEEDED BECAUSE THIS BODY HAD DISCUSSED MAKING A STAND WITH OUR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, WHICH WE DID NOT FOLLOW THROUGH WITH. AND THAT WOULD BE THE DIRECTION I THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE, SINCE WE'RE ALL OPPOSED TO IT, THAT WE HAVE AN OPPOSITION PAPER ON AGAINST IT THAT YOU CAN STAND ON AND THAT WE SEND TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS.

THAT'S GREAT. OKAY. AND I HAVE SOME OTHER ITEMS. OKAY. WELL DONE. I PUT TOGETHER A LIST OF THINGS.

IT GOES BACK TO EARLIER. WE TOUCHED ON THIS MATTER LIMITATION OF THE TYPE OF EVENTS THAT DON'T REALLY FIT THE NEEDS OF THE RESIDENTS PER SE, IN PARTICULAR CARS ON FIFTH. IT DOESN'T BENEFIT THE CITY.

IT DOESN'T BENEFIT THE CHARITY. THE CHARITY SAINT MATTHEW'S HOUSE HAS SAID WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT ANYMORE BECAUSE WE ONLY NEED ABOUT $400,000 OUT OF THIS WHEN ALL THEIR STAFF, THEY SPEND A WHOLE BLOODY YEAR WORKING ON THIS MATTER.

AND SO THAT'S CHANGED. THE SPONSORS CHANGE IS NO LONGER THE FERRARI CLUB.

IT'S NOW AN INDIVIDUAL WHO DOESN'T LIVE IN THE CITY.

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AND SO IT'S GOING PRIMARILY, I THINK FROM BEST I CAN SEE IS AN INDIVIDUAL THAT DOESN'T LIVE IN THE CITY.

A SECOND ITEM THAT I HAVE IS THE, IN THIS ZERO.

I WAS TRYING TO GET INTO IT A BIT, BUT I CAN UNDERSTAND THE CONVERSATION MOVED AWAY. OVERALL SECURITY CAPABILITIES OF OUR CITY, INCLUDING ISD EXPOSURE. EXPLODING VANS. THERE'S ALL SORTS OF THINGS THAT BAD ACTORS CAN DO.

AND SO I WOULD LIKE TO VISIT WITH SARAH AND HEAR HIS THOUGHTS ON THAT.

I BELIEVE WE SHOULD BUY THE BOLLARDS AND DEVICES AND RECOUP THE COSTS BY THE ENTITIES THAT WANT TO HAVE EVENTS THAT WE THINK MAKE SENSE.

THE OTHER CHURCHES IN TOWN, I THINK, ARE WHO PAY BRICK AND MORTAR PAY TO MAINTAIN THEIR PARKING LOTS.

THERE'S A LOT OF EXPLANATIONS THAT I PROBABLY SHOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN INTO THE CONVERSATION WITH THIS GENTLEMAN, BUT I DID, I CAN.

I WANTED TO WATCH HER UNSCRAMBLE AN EGG, BUT OTHER CHURCHES HAVE TO DO THIS SO THESE FOLKS HAVE A HUGE ADVANTAGE.

NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. BUT WE ARE THE ELECTED BODY FOR THE RESIDENTS, TAXPAYERS, AND SOMETIMES IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK OUT THAT WAY.

THERE'S NOT A PARK IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD, NORTH NAPLES.

WE DON'T HAVE A PARK. CLAM PASS COUNTY PARK. SO JUST A THOUGHT.

SEAGATE. SEAGATE IS IF YOU WANT TO CALL THAT A PARK, IT'S IT'S A BEACH CLUB FOR THE RESIDENTS OF SEAGATE, TO BE HONEST. THEN YOU KNOW, WHY DO WE HAVE SO MANY EVENTS? I BROUGHT THAT UP EARLIER. THE NUMBER OF EVENTS, 63 OFF SEASON 93 IN SEASON FIFTH AVENUE.

I GOT HEARTBURN ON THIS FROM SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS.

THE CAR'S ON FIFTH THING USES THE CITY, CITY STREET, THE ALLEY, THE PARKING.

THEY WERE CHARGING, I BELIEVE, $40 PER CAR. WHO GOT THAT MONEY? THE CITY GOT NONE OF IT. IT'S ALL CITY PROPERTY.

BUT THE CITY DIDN'T BENEFIT A NICKEL FROM ANY OF THAT.

SO WHY? WHY ARE WE PLAYING BALL WITH THEM? WE CAN SEND THEM THE COASTAL MALL.

WE CAN SEND THEM UP TO MERCADO. WE CAN SEND THEM SOMEPLACE ELSE.

LET THEM GO, DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO. BUT THEY'RE SELLING CARS THERE.

WE GET NO CONCESSION ON THAT. THERE'S JUST A PLETHORA OF REASONS NOT TO USE IT, GIVEN HOW MUCH THEY'RE ALREADY.

RESTAURANTS ARE ABUSING THE SIDEWALKS BY PUTTING IN MORE AND DEEPER INTO THE SIDEWALKS AND PEOPLE HAVE TO WALK ALMOST INTO THE STREET.

THESE ISSUES AGAIN, A A FRESH SET OF EYES AND THAT PRETTY MUCH.

WHY ARE WE SPONSORING SUCH EVENTS AT ALL? IS THAT THE ROLE OF THE CITY TO SPONSOR THESE EVENTS? I HAVE SINCE LEARNED AND EDUCATED TODAY BY SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THAT THE BID.

THERE'S ELEMENTS OF THIS I DIDN'T KNOW, AND THAT'S VERY FAIR.

SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AS WELL.

SO THAT'S MY LIST. AND I THINK AS WE DISCUSSED, LIMITING EVENTS IN THAT NEXT PHASE THAT WILL COME UP AND DISCUSSION ON CARS ON FIFTH, I THINK WE APPROVED IT FOR NEXT YEAR OR WE DID NOT KNOW NOTHING IS APPROVED FOR NEXT YEAR.

YOU'LL GET YOUR AFTER ACTION REPORT IN THE COMING MONTHS ON THAT.

PERFECT. THANK YOU FOR THAT, MR. YOUNG. AND AS FAR AS PARKS, YOU CAN WE STILL HAVE THE COMP PLAN COMING YOUR WAY.

SO. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. THANK YOU. MR. SCHULTZ? I THIS IS ABOUT, I THINK, MY SEVENTH OR EIGHTH YEAR ON CITY COUNCIL.

AND AT NO TIME HAS ANY COUNCIL PERSON MADE A SLUR OR SAID ANYTHING NASTY TO ANYTHING NEGATIVE TO A COUNCIL PERSON. SO I THINK YOU NEED TO LEAVE THAT AT THE FRONT DOOR AND UNDERSTAND THAT THAT IS NOT APPRECIATED HERE.

SO THANK YOU. WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? OKAY.

THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN. COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER.

JUST WITH REFERENCE TO. BUT COUNCILMAN SCHULTZ WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH THE POLICE CAPABILITIES AND REAL WORLD THREATS. HAVE YOU. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE DONE THE ONBOARDING YET, BUT I'LL JUST THROW IT OUT THERE THAT. HAVE YOU DONE THE ONBOARDING YET FOR ALL THE POLICE AND EVERYTHING? I MET WITH CYRIL FOR 3.5 HOURS.

WELL, I THINK AS PART OF THAT WE GOT MAN, HOURS WAS WAY LONGER THAN THAT.

AS PART OF THAT I INVITED YOU TO JUST GET A LITTLE MORE IN-DEPTH.

THERE'S STUFF WE WON'T TALK ABOUT THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO TALK ABOUT THAT THAT LEFT ME VERY REASSURED AND VERY ABLE TO SLEEP AT NIGHT. SO I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT.

TWO THINGS FOR Y'ALL, AND I NEED CONSENSUS ON THIS.

THERE ARE FOLKS, I GUESS, THAT HAVE BEEN PARKING ANCHORING BOATS BEHIND PEOPLE'S HOMES IN PORT ROYAL.

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AND I'VE NOT EVER SEEN THAT BEFORE OR IN AQUA LANE OR ANY OF THE ANYWHERE LIKE THAT AND I DON'T.

I'M ASKING FOR US WITH CONSENSUS TO ASK OUR ATTORNEY.

AND I KNOW THE MARITIME LAWS, LIKE BOATS ARE REALLY PROTECTED IN FLORIDA.

LIKE IT'S BEYOND BELIEF. HAVING SAID THAT, THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS WE CAN DO TO GIVE RELIEF TO SOME OF OUR CITIZENS FROM HAVING PEOPLE LIKE THEY CAN'T USE THEIR POOL BECAUSE THE DUDE AND THE BOAT'S LEERING AT THEIR 12 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER. LIKE, THAT'S THAT AIN'T RIGHT. SO WITH CONSENSUS I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO ASK OUR ATTORNEY TO LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE HOW WE CAN MITIGATE THAT.

I AGREE, I THINK WE NEED AN UPDATED UNDERSTANDING OF THE MARITIME LAW THAT WAS, I THINK IT WAS JUST RECENTLY CHANGED, BUT I THINK HAVING THAT CLARIFICATION FROM, FROM THE LEGAL POINT OF VIEW OF WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO, I THINK THERE ARE TIME LIMITS, BUT THEY CAN ANCHOR IN ANY BODY OF WATER.

BUT MAYBE IT'S A POLICE OR CODE ENFORCEMENT THAT WE HAVE ACTION THAT CAN BE TAKEN FOR THE TIME PERIOD THAT THEY ARE ANCHORING, BUT THAT I SUPPORT IN FINDING OUT THE DETAILS.

YES, YES, YES, YES. OKAY. OH, NO, NO, IT'S MAY I JUST CLARIFY THE DIRECTION? YES, SIR. SO IS THE IS THE CONSENSUS FOR ME TO REVIEW THE STATUTE, COME BACK AT YOU AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE CAN DO? OR IS THE CONSENSUS TO DO ANYTHING FURTHER? I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT WHAT WE CAN LEGALLY DO TO PREVENT THAT SORT OF BEHAVIOR, OR AS CLOSE AS WE CAN TO MODIFY IT.

WHAT ABILITY CITIES HAVE TO REGULATE THE MOORING AND LET'S JUST CALL IT RESIDENTIAL WATERWAYS.

YEAH, OKAY, I GUESS. DID I EXPLAIN IT CLEARLY? THAT SEEMS. YEAH. OKAY. AND THERE WAS A RECENT STATUE, I THINK IT WAS FOUR YEARS AGO, BUT IT IT REALLY DROPPED THE HAMMERS ON WHAT CITIES CAN DO.

BUT THERE ARE THINGS THAT TOOK AWAY OUR AUTHORITY.

ANOTHER PREEMPTION. YES. YES. ANOTHER. AND THEN MY SECOND THING IS A REPORT FROM TDC.

WE GOT THE DECEMBER INFO ON ON THE DATA. AND INTERESTINGLY VISITORS WERE DOWN 5% AND THAT'S CONTINUING TREND FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS NOW.

IF YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN HERE, VISITORS ARE DOWN 5%, BUT THEY'RE STAYING LONGER AND SPENDING ABOUT 5% MORE.

SO I SUPPOSE THAT'S OUR RESIDENTS SHOULD BE PLEASED WITH THAT NEWS.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANKS. ARE THEY STAYING IN THE CITY OR ARE THEY STAYING IN THE COUNTY? BOTH.

THEY'RE DOING BOTH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT REPORT.

IT'S IT'S DEFINITELY APPRECIATED. I HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH MR..

YOUNG ABOUT THE TDC AND THE NPOS. SO JUST TO ALL OF YOU THAT ARE ON THOSE BOARDS GRANTS THAT MIGHT BE COMING ABOUT. PLEASE, WHEN YOU START DISCUSSING IT, HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH US SO THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE OF THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING AND TRYING TO GET GRANT FUNDING. AND WE DON'T HAVE I WON'T USE THE EXAMPLES, BUT WHERE WE GO AND GET FUNDING AND THEN THE COUNCIL DECIDES THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY WANT TO SUPPORT.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. COUNCILWOMAN. GRANER BARTON NOTHING FOR ME.

JUST TELL US WHAT YOU REALLY THINK. COUNCILWOMAN.

HI. YEAH, I'M REALLY HAPPY ABOUT THE BOLLARDS.

I MEAN, I THINK THE WHOLE COMMUNITY IS PSYCHED ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S.

IT'S A RELIEF TO THE POLICING STAFF. YOU KNOW, IT'S A LIABILITY THAT OUR ATTORNEY DOESN'T HAVE TO SWEAT AT NIGHT WORRYING ABOUT ABOUT THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THERE'S A WHOLE SAFETY ASPECT.

SO I'M REALLY HAPPY TO SEE THAT. AND IT'S GOING TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY QUITE A BIT.

AND WE WANT A HAPPY, HAPPY COMMUNITY BY ALL MEANS.

THE, WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT WITH THIS ROUNDABOUT ROUNDABOUT, THE STREET SAFETY THING, WHAT'S ALSO A WIN FOR ECO FRIENDLY BECAUSE WE GOT A PATCH OF GREEN. IT'S NICE TO SEE GREEN IN A ROAD VERSUS CONCRETE AND BLACKTOP ALL THE TIME.

SO FROM AN ESTHETIC STANDPOINT, IT'S A WIN. FROM AN ECO STANDPOINT, IT'S A WIN.

AND FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, IT'S A WIN. SO I THINK WE MADE A GOOD, GOOD DECISION THERE.

AND I WAS HAPPY TO SEE THAT. ONE THING WITH THE AIRPORT, I'M ON THE NOISE COMMITTEE.

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AND THEY'RE INVESTING IN THESE THESE SENSORS.

THEY TALKED ABOUT GETTING FOUR OF THEM STRATEGICALLY PLACED. AND A LOT OF THE CONSENSUS WAS TO GET MORE, MAYBE A DOZEN AND POST THEM SOME OUT OF THE AIRPORT AROUND THE AIRPORT.

SO IT WAS VERY POSITIVE ON THAT. AND I'M WORKING WITH THEM A LITTLE BIT ON DISCLOSURES AND REAL ESTATE WITH NOISE WHEN PEOPLE BUY PROPERTIES THEY TRIED TO GET A, A LEGAL DOCUMENT FROM THE LEGAL DISCLOSURE FROM THEM AND IT DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE.

BUT I SAID, WELL, YOU COULD DO IT IN MOST BROKERS WOULD GLADLY PUT IT IN THEIR DISCLOSURES, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S ONE THING I'M KIND OF WORKING ON WITH A LITTLE BIT.

ANOTHER THING, AS I WAS READING THAT, THAT SOME, SOME THINGS IN THE PAST, THE PURCHASES ON ANOTHER ITEM IS WHAT I DON'T LIKE IS, IS AND WE COULD TALK ABOUT IT AS A COUNCIL JUST PIGGYBACKING CONCEPT.

I MEAN, WITH PIGGY BANKING, YOU HAVE NO INFO ON WHAT THE REAL COST SHOULD BE.

I MEAN, YOU'RE ARE ASSUMING THAT THAT WHATEVER CONTRACT WE'RE PIGGYBACKING ON IS A GOOD PRICE.

TO ME, IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. WE SHOULDN'T BE DOING PIGGYBACKING. I'M, I'M ACTUALLY THINKING MAYBE WE SHOULD MAYBE BAN PIGGYBACKING IN OUR, IN OUR PROCUREMENT AND, AND AS A COUNCIL, WE SHOULD PROBABLY TALK ABOUT THAT AND ADDRESS THAT.

BUT I JUST THINK IT, YOU KNOW, THE ONE BENEFIT YOU MAY GET OUT OF TEN, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S ALSO A DOOR FOR BAD THINGS TO HAPPEN TOO.

SO I'M JUST NOT A BIG FAN OF PIGGYBACKING. I JUST WANTED TO RAISE THAT EARLY ON.

MAYBE WE COULD PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA AT SOME POINT AND TALK ABOUT AS A COUNCIL, MAYBE, POSSIBLY NOT NOT USING IT AS A POLICY DOWN HERE.

OKAY. GO AHEAD. SORRY. THAT'S IT, THAT'S IT. AS FAR AS THE ROUNDABOUTS THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP.

MR. YOUNG, SOMETHING THAT. AND I THINK IT'S VITAL THAT WE HAVE IS THE DATA IS BEING COLLECTED FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON THE INCIDENTS AND ACCIDENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING SO THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN HAVE NATIONAL STATISTICS.

AND BUT IT ALL DOES BOIL DOWN TO HOW IT WAS MADE.

IF IT WAS MADE WITH THE PROPER RADIUS. SO WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO BASE OUR DECISIONS ON FACTS IF FACTS ARE AVAILABLE.

SO I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE ROUNDABOUTS AS FAR AS PIGGYBACKS, I'LL LET MR. YOUNG CAN ADDRESS IT NOW OR IN A LATER TIME. I AGREE WITH YOU THAT YOU COULD HAVE ISSUES, BUT SOMETIMES A PIGGYBACK AND YOU HAVE TO TRUST AND HAVE THE DISCRETION OF YOUR MANAGEMENT AND MAKING THOSE DECISIONS IS THERE'S A PIGGYBACK WE WERE TALKING ABOUT DOING, I THINK FOR THE BALLADS, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. SO I'LL LET YOU ADDRESS THAT.

BUT. SO AND IF WE'RE GETTING A GOOD PRICE, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AFTERWARDS.

I'LL LET HIM. I'LL MOVE TO HIM AFTER THAT, BUT I THE OTHER PART WAS ABOUT THE MONITORS FOR THE AIRPORT.

AND MR. MCCONNELL, YOU HAD MONITORS FOR THE AIRPORT ON AN AGENDA ITEM.

YOU GOT A PRICE AMOUNT. CAN YOU UPDATE US ON THAT ISSUE? I BELIEVE THE THE MONITORS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER WAS TALKING ABOUT ARE DIFFERENT THAN THE MONITORS THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

YES. THE, THE UPDATE IS EDITS JUST CAME BACK FROM THE VENDOR FOR THE AGREEMENT.

THEY'RE IN MY EMAIL INBOX GOING TO FINALIZE WORK WITH PURCHASING AND THEN GET IT SIGNED.

OKAY. I THINK THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO BE DEBRIEFED ON THAT, WHETHER SHORT IN CORRESPONDENCE OR SOMETHING, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE FACT THAT I THINK THAT WAS ALMOST A YEAR AND A HALF AGO THAT WE DISCUSSED IT.

CORRECT? YEAH. WELL, THESE THESE MONITORS, I THINK FOR FOUR OF THEM WAS AROUND INSTALLED AND THAT WAS LIKE $80,000 OR SOMETHING.

NO, NO, THESE ARE LIKE LITTLE RING CAMERAS. THEY'RE LITTLE LIKE SO MAYOR IF TO THAT POINT, IF YOU DON'T MIND. AND UNLESS MR. YOUNG DISAGREES.

IF WE COULD GET THE CONTRACT FINALIZED AND THEN HAVE THAT MEETING AS TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT IT, WHICH IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE THING, THEN I THEN, OF COURSE, WE COULD UPDATE YOU. THAT'S MY CONCERN.

OKAY. IS DOING THE CONTRACT AND HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADMINISTRATE IT.

THAT'S I MEAN, IS IT GOING TO BE WORTH THE COST IS MY CONCERN.

APPROVING A CONTRACT AND ARE WE GOING TO GET DATA FROM IT IS, I DON'T KNOW THE DATA THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE GETTING OR ASKING FOR.

WELL, COUNCIL ALREADY GAVE ME THE DIRECTION TO ACTUALLY MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS CONTRACT.

SO IF IF YOU'RE NOW CHANGING YOUR MIND AND YOU DON'T WANT ME TO REVIEW THE AGREEMENT AND YOU WANT ME TO BRING IT BACK, THEN I CAN DO THAT. I'M JUST ASKING THAT YOU REVIEW THAT WITH THIS COUNCIL.

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NO PROBLEM. I WILL CALL YOU AND CALL YOU. NO, YOU SAID THAT YOU WERE HOW YOU WERE GOING TO ADMINISTRATE IT AND NOT ADMINISTER IT.

ADMINISTER. THERE'S AN ADMINISTRATION ASPECT OF THIS BECAUSE THE MONITORS ARE THE NOISE SENSORS HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE.

I'M THE LEGAL PERSON. I'M JUST GOING TO REVIEW THE AGREEMENT. I SAID I COULD WORK WITH MR. YOUNG BECAUSE ULTIMATELY HE'S THE ONE MAKING THE DECISION ON WHERE THESE NOISE MONITORS GO.

HOWEVER, WE'VE BOTH GONE THROUGH DEMOS. I'VE GONE THROUGH TWO.

THERE IS A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION THAT COMES FROM THIS.

OKAY, THAT'S EXACTLY 100%. THANK YOU. BUT THAT'S THE INFORMATION THAT THE COUNCIL DOESN'T KNOW.

WE AGREED TO DO IT, BUT WE DIDN'T HAVE THE DETAILS ON WHAT THE BENEFITS WERE GOING TO BE.

SO THAT BEING SAID, I'LL MOVE ON. IF YOU'RE COMPLETE COUNCILMAN AGAIN, MR. YOUNG, IS IT MY TURN OR IS IT MY. DO I JUST HAVE A MOMENT TO RESPOND TO MR.? YOU CAN RESPOND AND HAVE SO SO. SO PIGGYBACKING CAN BE A NECESSARY EVIL.

JUST THE EXAMPLE THAT YOU JUST YOU JUST SAW AND IT'S REALLY TO ABOUT ASSURING THAT YOU GET AS MANY PRICES AS YOU CAN AND UNDERSTAND THAT YOU JUST DON'T TAKE THE FIRST ONE THAT YOU, YOU THAT COMES DOWN THE PIKE. NOW, YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY IN THE COMING MONTHS, IT'LL EITHER BE IN THE JUNE MEETING OR THE SEPTEMBER MEETING BECAUSE OF THE BREAK IN THE MIDDLE WHERE THIS COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE ASKED TO REVISIT ALL PROCUREMENT POLICIES BECAUSE THEY ALLOW ABILITY OF PIGGYBACKING ISN'T DOESN'T CHANGE WITH THE CITY MANAGER.

IT'S CODIFIED IN THE CITY PURCHASING ORDINANCE.

AND SO THAT WILL BE YOUR OPPORTUNITY. SHOULD YOU WISH TO DO DO AWAY WITH IT COMPLETELY.

I WOULD JUST SUBMIT TO YOU. THERE ARE THERE ARE CIRCUMSTANCES AND WHERE WE'VE ACTUALLY SAID, WELL, YES, I COULD PIGGYBACK, BUT WE GO OUT AND YOU END UP WITH A HIGHER QUOTE.

I JUST REVIEWED THAT I THINK A MONTH AND A HALF AGO WITH WITH THIS BODY.

SO IT'S A MIXED BAG AND YOU HAVE TO WEIGH THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT YOU UTILIZE ANOTHER CONTRACT.

AND AGAIN, THE JURISDICTIONS THAT OCCUR WITHIN THE STATE OF FLORIDA ARE MUCH BETTER THAN GOING IN A NATIONAL ONE BECAUSE THERE'S OTHER VARIABLES INVOLVED AND AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE IN A SIMILAR ENVIRONMENT.

SO I WOULD JUST SAY IT HAS ITS PLACE JUST JUST TO PRESERVE THAT AS A RIGHT.

BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT AT LENGTH AND, AND CERTAINLY QUESTION EVERY SINGLE ONE I BRING TO YOU.

I WELCOME THAT ON ANY ISSUE. SO THANK YOU. THERE WAS ONE MORE THING ON THAT.

NO ON THE CONTRACT. YEAH. WELL THE CONTRACT ONE I'M IN THE SAME EMAIL SEQUENCES AS MATTHEW AS IT PERTAINS TO THE NOISE.

AND SO I'LL, I WILL CIRCLE BACK IN TERMS OF WE WERE KIND OF WAITING ON CLARIFYING SOME LANGUAGES AND WHO WHO ALL THE PLAYERS WERE.

SO I WOULD JUST DEFER. I'M NOT PREPARED TO MAKE A STATEMENT ON THAT YET, BUT I WILL AT SOME POINT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. AND COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. THANK YOU.

I HOPE YOU ALL HAVE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO LOOK AT THE OUTFALL PROJECT.

I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY YESTERDAY. HAVE YOU ALL DONE THAT? NO. NEXT WEEK. OH MY GOSH. YEAH. IT'S THE MOST AMAZING EXPERIENCE I'VE EVER HAD.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING FOR THAT BECAUSE WE I HAD NO CONCEPT OF THE ENORMITY OF THIS PROJECT.

THANK YOU. IT IS JUST ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE. THANK YOU.

SO MANY, MANY THANKS FOR THAT, I APPRECIATE IT.

YOU'RE VERY WELCOME. THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER MCCONNELL KNOW, CAN I DO MY ONE ITEM? OH, OKAY. I I'M SORRY, I ALLUDED TO IT IN THE SPECIAL EVENT, SO NOT TO BRING UP SPECIAL EVENTS AGAIN, BUT WE DID HAVE A, THE VILLAGE SCHOOL OF NAPLES WHO HAS AN EVENT AT THE AIRPORT.

IT DIDN'T COMPLY WITH 120 DAYS, I BELIEVE. YOU'VE EACH GOTTEN AT LEAST ONE EMAIL, TWO EMAILS ABOUT IT.

IT WOULD BE ONE OF THOSE THAT UNDER THE NEW RULES, WITHIN A 60 DAY WINDOW, IT COULD BE OR A 90 DAY WINDOW.

IT STILL COULD HAVE COME TO COUNCIL IN THE END.

THEY HAVE AN EVENT THAT THEY HAVE SCHEDULED FOR THE VILLAGE SCHOOL OF NAPLES, THEIR ANNUAL FUNDRAISER, AND IT IS SET FOR I'M SORRY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I GET THE DATE RIGHT.

AND I DON'T HAVE TIME TO GET IT BACK TO YOU. BUT I RECEIVED A NUMBER OF EMAILS RELATED TO IT.

IT'S 250 GUESTS ATTENDED WITH FOOD COOKED AT THE AIRPORT.

AND IF IT'S IF THERE'S NO OBJECTION, I WOULD UTILIZE MY RIGHT UNDERNEATH, AT LEAST FOR CITY MANAGER APPROVAL.

GIVEN THE FEEDBACK THAT I'VE GOTTEN TO AUTHORIZE THIS EVENT AND PUT THAT RESPONSIBILITY ON ME, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO DO IT IN A VACUUM, GIVEN THE EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE THAT HAS OCCURRED.

JUST TO CLARIFY, THE REASON IT EVEN CAME BEFORE NEEDS PERMITTING, IS BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE AMPLIFIED SOUND, AMPLIFIED SOUND, AND THERE WILL BE OUTSIDE COOKING.

SO IN MY ASSUMPTION, WHEN I SAY THAT, THAT MEANS PROVIDED ALL OF THE SAFETY CONCERNS AND NORMAL YOU KNOW,

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SO AND EITHER BY JUST ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THAT YOU YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I DID THE SAME THING WHEN WE HAD THE CHURCH AT CAMP OR THE SCHOOL AT CAMBIER PARK, AND I ASKED FOR THAT SAME RATIONALE.

I JUST AM ASKING WHETHER OR NOT YOU FEEL THAT'S APPROPRIATE.

YES, I I'M OKAY WITH IT, BUT I'M NOT I THINK THAT NOT BECAUSE OF VILLAGE SCHOOL, BUT IF YOU HAVE PLANNED FOR 250 GUESTS, YOU'VE ALREADY SENT OUT INVITES, YOU'VE SCHEDULED EVERYTHING, AND YOU DIDN'T THINK YOU HAD TO GET A PERMIT.

THAT'S A CONCERN. BUT SITUATIONS HAPPEN. AND THE SECOND PART OF THAT FOR ME IS THE FACT THAT IN TALKING TO SPECIAL EVENTS CONCERNS, AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE POLICE CHIEF ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE AIRPORT IS TURNING INTO AN ENTERTAINMENT ZONE AND HAVING WE HAVE ALLOWED IT, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO US ON THE NUMBER OF EVENTS AND SPECIAL EVENTS WE'RE ALLOWING TO HAPPEN WHEN WE DON'T HAVE POLICE COVERAGE AT THOSE EVENTS.

WELL, I WOULD SAY I FIND IT SHOCKING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE TO NEED A PERMIT AT ALL.

IT'S FOR TO DO IT IN A PRIVATE HANGAR. LIKE WHO? WHO CARES IF THEY HAVE IT ENCLOSED IN A PRIVATE HANGAR? BUT WHEN THEY PUT IT OUT IN SOME OF THIS BLEEDS OUT INTO THE RUNWAYS, PUTTING UP TENTS.

THEY OPEN IT INSTEAD. THAT'S CORRECT. YOU CAN WALK OUT TO THE.

AND I WOULD SAY THAT DANIELLE AND CHAD AND HIS STAFF DID EVERYTHING EXACTLY RIGHT.

I JUST I KNOW THE CORRESPONDENCE THAT'S BEEN OUT THERE, AND I JUST WANTED TO BRING IT UP TODAY TOO.

SO TO ANSWER IT. YES, THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT, MR. YOUNG. ANYONE. YES, YES YES YES YES, YES. THANK YOU MA'AM.

THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. MR. MCCONNELL, DO YOU HAVE.

YES. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I JUST HAVE ONE THING. JUST GENERALLY BECAUSE I BELIEVE EVERYONE GETS COUNCIL EMAILS NOW.

I JUST WANTED TO JUST TAKE A MINUTE AND SPEAK ON VOTING CONFLICTS DURING QUASI-JUDICIAL ITEMS. SO IF YOU CALL ME ABOUT IT, THEN WE WILL HAVE A CONVERSATION AND I JUST WANT TO PUT THE DISCLAIMER OUT THERE, NOT BECAUSE I'M AN ATTORNEY, BUT BECAUSE THERE ARE SOME BOARD MEMBERS THAT NOT COUNCIL, BUT BOARD MEMBERS IN GENERAL THAT DON'T CALL ME AND TALK THROUGH VOTING CONFLICTS.

SO IN THOSE SITUATIONS, I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADVISE UNTIL IT'S OUT IN PUBLIC AND I'M MAKING A JUDGMENT CALL.

HOWEVER, FOR COUNCIL, YOU CAN ASSUME IF YOU'RE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC IN GENERAL, THAT ANYTHING THAT COULD BE A POTENTIAL VOTING CONFLICT HAS ALREADY BEEN DISCUSSED WITH MY OFFICE, RUN BY MR. MORAWSKI, AND CONFIRMED NOT TO BE PRIOR TO A VOTE OCCURRING.

OKAY. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT OUT THERE.

SO IF WE GET EMAILS AFTER THE FACT SAYING THIS IS A VOTING CONFLICT, THIS IS A VOTING CONFLICT.

AGAIN, THE PRIOR COUNCIL ADVISED ME THAT I DON'T NEED TO RESPOND TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC FOR EMAILS, WHICH I DO SOMETIMES, BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF NICE PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT I WANT TO ANSWER QUESTIONS FOR. BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THOSE THINGS ARE ADDRESSED PRIOR TO THE MEETING. IF YOU CALL ME.

SO FOR THE NEW MEMBERS, CALL ME, RIGHT. BUT I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO SAY THAT BECAUSE WE DID RECEIVE SOME CORRESPONDENCE, AND I WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT WITH ALL OF US IN PUBLIC SO THAT IT'S HANDLED FOR THE FUTURE.

BESIDES THAT NOTHING FURTHER. COUNCIL MEMBER.

GOT IT. IF YOU COULD ALSO. MATTHEW. I JUST TRIGGERED A THOUGHT.