Feb 11, 2026 Planning Advisory Board

[1) Call to Order]

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DON'T REMEMBER. COOPER HERE. REMEMBER, CHRIS. PRESENT MEMBER. FOWLER. PRESENT. MEMBER. MAYOR.

PRESENT. MEMBER. SCHULTZ. KIND OF PRESENT. VICE CHAIR. KEPPLER. PRESENT. CHAIR. KOGLIN. HERE.

THANK YOU. OKAY. CAN WE DO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA? NO, SIR. OKAY.

[5) Public Comment]

THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME IN THIS. WHEN I TALKED TO CITY ATTORNEY, HE SAID, JUST BE BRIEF. AND I SAID, I USUALLY AM. I WANT TO THANK YOU FELLAS FOR WORKING WITH ME, SHOWING ME THE ROPES, AND NOW THAT I'M GOING TO THE NEXT PLACE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT REALLY IS YET, BUT IT'S SOMEWHERE THAT DIRECTION. SEND ME GOOD STUFF AND WON'T BE OVERRULED BY ANY STRETCH. AND I KNOW ALL THE HARD WORK THAT YOU DO. THE WORK YOU DO IS VALUABLE. I WAS THERE, I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU DO. JUST KEEP AT IT. I. I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR THE EXPERIENCE THAT YOU ALLOWED ME TO HAVE, WORKING WITH YOU ALL AS A COLLEAGUE AND AS A FRIEND. SO I JUST WANT TO TAKE THAT MINUTE TO TO DO THAT. AND WITH THAT, I'M GONNA DO. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN. WE APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. GOOD LUCK. SCOTT. WE ARE HOLDING THE LYRICS FOR THE BAD BUNNY, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SING THEM TODAY, THOUGH. SO. OKAY, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES.

[6.A) Approval of the January 14, 2026 Planning Advisory Board Meeting Minutes.]

[7.A) A Resolution Determining Petition 26-V1, Relating to a Variance Pursuant to Section 58-146 of the Code of Ordinances, City of Naples, to Allow a 10-Foot Encroachment into the Required 40-Foot Minimum Front Yard for an Existing Single-Family Home in the R1-15 Zoning District, for the Property Owned by Viki Naples, LLC, a Florida Limited Liability Company, and Located at 2363 Crayton Road, More Fully Described Herein; and Providing an Effective Date.  (TL)]

ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF NAPLES. TO ALLOW A TEN FOOT ENCROACHMENT INTO THE REQUIRED 40 FOOT MINIMUM FRONT YARD FOR AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN THE R-1 15 ZONING DISTRICT FOR PROPERTY OWNED BY VICKI. VICKI NAPLES, LLC, A FLORIDA LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY AND LOCATED AT 2363 CREIGHTON ROAD. MORE FULLY DESCRIBED HEREIN. STAFF REPORT. INTENDING TO TESTIFY. PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES. THANK YOU. NONE HERE. NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. AWARE OF THE PROPERTY? NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. OKAY. THE APPLICANT, PLEASE. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING.

MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, FRANCESCA PASSIDOMO, FOR THE RECORD HERE, ON BEHALF OF THE PETITIONER, VICKI NAPLES, THE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED ON YOUR

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EXCUSE ME, A SNAPSHOT, A SNAPSHOT OF THIS CONTEXT IS SHOWN IN THIS AERIAL. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED R1 15 SINGLE FAMILY ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS ESTABLISHED FOR THIS SECTION OF NAPLES. IN 1990. THE EXISTING HOME ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE SUBJECT OF THIS PETITION, WAS ISSUED A BUILDING PERMIT TO CONSTRUCT THE HOME. THE BUILDING PERMIT WAS ISSUED IN 1997 AND REFLECTS SPECIFICATIONS OF WHAT WAS PERMITTED BY THE CITY OF NAPLES.

SPECIFICALLY, THE BUILDING PERMIT REFLECTS A PERMITTED FRONT YARD SETBACK OF 30.2FT.

THE 30.2FT FRONT YARD SETBACK IS ALSO DEPICTED ON THE SITE. PLAN SUBMITTED FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT TO THE CITY OF NAPLES. THE SITE PLAN IS PART OF THE PERMIT PACKAGE AND IS RECEIVED BY THE CITY AND REVIEWED FOR ZONING. CONSISTENCY BY THE CITY BEFORE A BUILDING PERMIT IS ISSUED. YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S A LITTLE BIT GRAYED OUT. I ATTEMPTED TO BLOW THIS UP FOR YOU, BUT THAT IS A 30 FOOT DIMENSION FOR THE FRONT YARD SETBACK. FOLLOWING CONSTRUCTION.

AND I'M SORRY TO BE SO ELEMENTARY, BUT THERE IS A PERMIT PROCESS, SO I WANTED TO BREAK THAT DOWN FOR YOU. MANY OF YOU ARE PROBABLY VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS FOLLOWING CONSTRUCTION. THE FINAL STEP IN THE PROCESS TO CLOSE A BUILDING PERMIT IS TO SUBMIT A QUOTE AS BUILT SURVEY, WHICH IS A CERTIFIED AND DIMENSIONED DRAWING DEPICTING THE CONSTRUCTED LOCATION OF THE HOME. IN THIS CASE, THE CONSTRUCTED LOCATION OF THE HOME MATCHES TO THE EXACT FRACTION THE PERMIT SET, SITE PLAN AND THE BUILDING PERMIT ISSUED BY THE CITY. YOU CAN SEE THERE THE FRONT YARD DIMENSION IS THAT 30.2FT DIMENSION.

ACCORDINGLY, THE CITY ISSUED A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY IN 1997, WHICH CLOSES OUT THE BUILDING PERMIT AND ALLOWS THE OWNER TO LEGALLY OCCUPY AND USE THE HOME FOR ITS INTENDED PURPOSE. THE REASON WE ARE HERE, NOTWITHSTANDING THIS CLEAR RECORD OF APPROVALS. THE FRONT YARD SETBACK IN THE R-1 15 ZONING DISTRICT WAS AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION, AND IS TODAY A 40 FOOT DIMENSION. WHEN DISCOVERED AS PART OF A REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION, WE WORKED EXTENSIVELY WITH STAFF TO RESEARCH HISTORICAL CODES AND ANALYZE WHETHER THE FRONT YARD FOR THIS HOME IS NON-CONFORMING. YOU CAN SEE HERE A SECTION OF THE CODE THAT IS INTERESTING, PROVIDED THE DISTRICT FOR THIS PROPERTY WAS ADOPTED SEVEN YEARS PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION. IT IS POSSIBLE THAT THIS PROVISION, ADJUSTING THE FRONT YARD INEQUITY BASED ON THE THEN DEVELOPMENT PATTERN OF THE STREET, REDUCED THE FRONT YARD. HOWEVER, STAFF, NEITHER STAFF NOR THE APPLICANT COULD FIND DEFINITIVE EVIDENCE SUPPORTING THAT THIS PROVISION WAS APPLIED FOR THE BUILDING PERMIT AND THEREFORE DEFINING THE FRONT YARD FOR THIS HOME AS A LEGAL NONCONFORMITY IS INCONCLUSIVE AT BEST. THE ONLY REMEDY FOR THIS AS BUILT CONSTRUCTED HOME IS IS A VARIANCE. AND WE DID WORK THROUGH THIS WITH STAFF, AND THIS WAS TRULY THE ONLY REMEDY AVAILABLE. I'LL SHOW YOU THE EXISTING CONDITIONS. SOME THINGS THAT ARE CRITICAL FROM A FACTS SENSITIVE PERSPECTIVE FOR A VARIANCE. IN THIS CASE, THE FRONT YARD SETBACK YOU CAN SEE IS REALLY FOR A GARAGE THAT EXTENDS THE BALANCE OF THE HOME. IS IS RELATIVELY QUAINT COTTAGE LIKE, NOT SETBACK TO SETBACK. IN ADDITION, FROM A MITIGATION PERSPECTIVE, IF ONE WERE TO

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ANOTHER CORE PLANNING DEVELOPMENT TO MAINTAIN AND PROTECT THE CITY'S EXISTING RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER. IN THIS CASE, WE THINK THAT WE ARE SUPPORTING THIS POLICY FROM THE FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE CADENCE OF THE STREET HAS HAD THIS HOME FOR THREE DECADES. IT IF THIS VARIANCE IS APPROVED, IT HELPS ESTABLISH THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT TO AVOID THAT THAT OUTCOME OF REDEVELOPMENT. REDEVELOPMENT IS A NECESSARY AND GOOD THING AT TIMES, BUT IT IS ALSO GOOD TO PRESERVE THE CHARACTER OF THE STREET AND PRESERVE, IN THIS CASE, THE CHARACTER OF A SMALLER HOME. THE FINAL PLANNING PRINCIPLE THAT I WANT TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO IS TO ENCOURAGE PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS IN ARCHITECTURE, DESIGN AND LANDSCAPING. IN THIS CASE, AS YOU COULD SEE ON THE SURVEY, THE HOME IS, AS I NOTED, NOT SET BACK TO SETBACK. IT IS ALSO HEAVILY VEGETATED. THE SITE PLAN IS A VERY UNIQUE, VERY UNIQUE AND EVERY VARIANCE NEEDS TO STAND ON THE FACTS OF THE CASE. IN THIS CASE, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT OPEN SPACE. THE VARIANCE IS ONLY A PORTION OF THE HOME. IT'S NOT EVEN THE ENTIRE FACADE OF THE HOME. IT'S JUST THAT EXTENSION OF THE GARAGE. NOW, I'LL ASK MR. COUGHLIN, WOULD YOU LIKE FOR ME TO GO THROUGH THE CRITERIA THAT THEY'RE REFLECTED IN MY PETITION AND MEMORIALIZED IN THE STAFF REPORT AS WELL? I THINK THAT WE YOU IT'S IN THE RECORD. SO I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE TO DO THAT. BUT THANK YOU FOR ASKING. YES. OF COURSE. SO WITH THAT, I'LL CLOSE AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ARE THERE ANY FACTUAL QUESTIONS OF THIS PASADENA? YES. HELLO THERE. I'D LIKE GRAY AREAS ACTUALLY MYSELF, BUT CAN YOU TELL ME THE HARDSHIP THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE FACING IN THIS SITUATION AND REALLY WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO? SURE. THE HARDSHIP BEING THAT GRAY AREA. SO PERMITS HAVE BEEN ISSUED SINCE THE HOME WAS CONSTRUCTED, BUT TO OUR KNOWLEDGE, THIS WASN'T DISCOVERED UNTIL WE WERE DOING OUR INVESTIGATION FOR THE FOR THE PROPERTY OWNER. SO THIS CAME TO LIGHT WITHIN THE LAST SIX MONTHS WE WORKED WITH STAFF TO DETERMINE, IS THIS NON-CONFORMING? BECAUSE THAT COULDN'T BE DETERMINED NOW. NOW WE HAVE THE I THINK, VALID CONCERN AND STAFF CAN SPEAK TO THIS IF IF THEY DISAGREE THAT PERMITS COULD BE WITHHELD IF WE NEEDED TO DO ANY SORT OF ROOF RENOVATION THAT EXTENDS INTO WHAT THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT IS, THAT COULD BE IN JEOPARDY. IT HASN'T HISTORICALLY, BUT THIS WASN'T BROUGHT TO ANYONE'S ATTENTION UNTIL NOW. SO THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO, IS JUST ENSURE THAT THAT WE HAVE A A LEGALLY COMPLIANT STRUCTURE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS PERMITTED BY THE CITY OF NAPLES. AND THESE THESE PEOPLE BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY. DID THEY EVER THINK ABOUT ANY OF THIS OR WOULD THEIR WITH THEIR REPRESENTATIVE WHO THEY BOUGHT IT THROUGH OR. OR JUST THINK THAT THEY PROBABLY COULD CHANGE IT AFTER THE FACT BY GETTING REPRESENTATION REPRESENTATION FROM PEOPLE LIKE, YOU KNOW, QUALIFIED PEOPLE LIKE YOU. I MEAN, IS THERE ANY KIND OF THINKING ABOUT ANY OF THIS BECAUSE ALL THESE HOUSES ARE THERE ON THAT STREET. THERE'S AN EMPTY LOT NEXT DOOR. HOW

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I'M REALLY NOT HIDING ANYTHING THAT THAT IS THE INTENTION. IT'S JUST TO CREATE CLARITY BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE HOMEOWNER. OKAY. SO WE WOULD WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO ISSUE BUILDING PERMITS FOR THAT PORTION OF THE HOUSE THAT ENCROACHES. SO IF THEY WANTED TO REDO THE STUCCO OR, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD THEIR INSURANCE CAME AND THEY HAD TO REPLACE THEIR ROOF, THERE'S AN ISSUE HERE WHERE THIS HOUSE IS. IT'S NOT A LAWFUL NONCONFORMITY. IT'S TRULY JUST NON-COMPLIANT TO CODE. OKAY, LET'S GET INTO THE STAFF REPORT IF WE CAN AND THEN GIVE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, MORE DETAILED QUESTIONS. BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE IS A CONDITION IN THE STAFF REPORT THAT IF THEY WANTED TO SUBSTANTIALLY RE REDESIGN THIS PROPERTY, THEY'D HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE EXISTING CODE. YES. THE CONDITIONS AND THE RESOLUTION THAT'S REALLY PROPOSED BY STAFF MAKE IT CLEAR THAT THIS IS TRULY THIS VARIANCE APPLIES ONLY TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AS IT SITS TODAY, AND THAT ANY REDEVELOPMENT OR ADDITIONS OR ANYTHING TO THAT WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE CODE IN PLACE.

GO AHEAD WITH THE STAFF REPORT. GOOD MORNING. BOARD CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT BEFORE USE VARIANCE PETITION 20 6V1. THE PETITIONER IS VICKI NAPLES LLC. THE AGENT IS FRANCESCA PASSIDOMO, ESQUIRE, WITH COLEMAN, YOVANOVITCH AND KOESTER. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 2363 CREIGHTON ROAD, AND THEY ARE REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO ALLOW A TEN FOOT ENCROACHMENT INTO THE REQUIRED 40 FOOT MINIMUM FRONT YARD FOR AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN THE R-1 15 ZONING DISTRICT, PURSUANT TO SECTION 50 8-1 46 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. THE PROPERTY WAS BUILT IN 1990. THE PERMIT APPLICATION, WHICH WAS DATED ON JULY 23RD, 1997, IDENTIFIED THE MINIMUM FRONT YARDS AS THE FRONT YARD 30FT, THE REAR YARD 25FT, AND THE SIDE YARD IS 7.5FT. THE FINAL SURVEY, DATED ON JANUARY 28TH, 1998, CERTIFIED THAT THE FRONT MINIMUM YARD WAS APPROVED AT 30.2FT AND A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY DATED JANUARY 23RD, 1998 WAS ISSUED BY THE CITY OF NAPLES BUILDING DEPARTMENT. THE BUILDING PERMIT APPROVAL IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE MINIMUM YARD REQUIREMENTS OF THE R 115 RESIDENCE DISTRICT, PURSUANT TO 58 146. INTERESTINGLY, THE MINIMUM YARD REQUIREMENTS WHICH WERE APPLIED TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS HOME COMPLIES WITH THIS MINIMUM YARDS OF THE R-1 TEN ZONING DISTRICT. AND THE STAFF REPORT YOU WILL SEE ON PAGE TWO, I PROVIDED TABLE ONE THAT SHOWS YOU THE COMPARISON BETWEEN WHERE THE ZONING DISTRICTS LIE, AND R 110 IS APPROXIMATELY 400 450FT NORTH OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. STAFF HAVE REVIEWED THE CITY OF NAPLES ZONING ORDINANCES DATING BACK TO 1953. ORDINANCE 1953 361, 1979. DASH 3178, 1990 COMPREHENSIVE DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THE 1994 ORIGINAL CODE OF ORDINANCES ALL CONFIRMED THAT THE FRONT YARD REQUIREMENT IN THE R-1 15 ZONING DISTRICT WAS ADOPTED AT 40FT R 115 MINIMUM YARD HAD NOT BEEN AMENDED SINCE 1953. ADDITIONALLY, THE 1967 ZONING MAP CONFIRMED THAT THE

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ONCE AGAIN, THERE WAS NO CHANGE TO THAT ZONING DISTRICT. YOU CAN SEE THIS ILLUSTRATED IN FIGURE TWO IN THE STAFF REPORT. THE FINDINGS DO NOT SUBSTANTIATE THE APPROVAL OF THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME AT 2363 CREIGHTON ROAD. IT APPEARS THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME WAS APPROVED AND CONSTRUCTED ERRONEOUSLY WITH THE ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT IN 1997. THE SETBACK DISCREPANCY WENT UNNOTICED FOR ABOUT 28 YEARS. THIS MATTER WAS ONLY BROUGHT TO LIGHT AS A RESULT OF A REAL ESTATE TRANSACTION, WHICH OCCURRED IN OCTOBER OF 2025. HOWEVER, SECTION 44.4 INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, SUBSECTION B STATES NO USE, STRUCTURE, CONDITION, OR DEVELOPMENT SHALL EXIST UPON ANY PROPERTY UNLESS PERMITTED IN ITS DISTRICT AND LOCATION PURSUANT TO THIS CODE OR BY APPLICABLE GENERAL LAW. WHILE THE CITY OF NAPLES HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO UPHOLD ACCURATE BUILDING PERMIT ISSUANCE, IN A TYPICAL CIRCUMSTANCES, OPERATIONS DO OCCUR. IN SPITE OF THIS FACT, IT HAS BEEN LEGALLY OPINED THAT BUILDING PERMITS ISSUED IN VIOLATION OF LAW OR IN ERROR MAY BE RESCINDED AND DO NOT STOP THE GOVERNMENT'S AUTHORITY FROM ENFORCING ITS CODE.

HOWEVER, MUNICIPAL DISCRETION IS AFFORDED BY WAY OF VARIANCES PURSUANT TO SECTION 46, 6037 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. THE PETITIONERS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO SECTION 58 146 SIMPLY TO MEMORIALIZE WHAT WAS PERMITTED AND EXISTING SINCE 1998. THE PURPOSE IS NOT TO PROVIDE GREATER EXPANSION OR ANYTHING ALONG THOSE LINES, BECAUSE THIS IS NOT CONSIDERED A LEGAL NONCONFORMITY, SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF LEGALIZING THE STRUCTURE AS IT IS TODAY. AFTER THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD'S DECISION TODAY, IT IS ANTICIPATED THAT CITY COUNCIL WOULD HEAR THIS ITEM ON MARCH 18TH, 2026, WITH FINAL ACTION TAKEN BY RESOLUTION ON JANUARY 12TH, 2026. A TOTAL OF 168 LETTERS WERE MAILED TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 1000FT, AND AS OF TODAY, STAFF HAVE RECEIVED NO CORRESPONDENCE FOR OR AGAINST THE PETITION. I DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL YESTERDAY WHERE AN INDIVIDUAL WAS ASKING ABOUT WHAT IT WAS, BUT THERE WAS NO ACTION TAKEN ON HIS PART. THE VARIANCE PETITION WAS ALSO REVIEWED BY ALL THE APPLICABLE DEPARTMENTS, AND THERE WAS NO OBJECTION. PURSUANT TO SECTION 4637 C OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, STAFF HAVE APPLIED THE VARIANCE CRITERIA TO ALLOW A TEN FOOT ENCROACHMENT INTO THE REQUIRED 40 MINIMUM FRONT YARD FOR AN EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME, AND FIND THAT THE CRITERIA HAVE BEEN MET. IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THE ONLY COMPONENT THAT IS NON-COMPLIANT IS THE FRONT YARD. THE SIDE AND REAR YARDS WAS PERMITTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REGULATIONS OF R-1 15. SHOULD YOU RECOMMEND APPROVAL TODAY, STAFF RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ONE.

THIS VARIANCE ALLOWS THE TEN FOOT ENCROACHMENT INTO THE 40 FOOT REQUIRED MINIMUM FRONT YARD PURSUANT TO SECTION 50 8-1 46 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, AND SHALL ONLY APPLY TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND SHALL NOT APPLY TO THE REBUILDING OF NEW STRUCTURES. TWO SHOULD THE EXISTING STRUCTURE BE DEMOLISHED, THE VARIANCE IS NO LONGER APPLICABLE AND ALL NEW CONSTRUCTION MUST BE BUILT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING REGULATIONS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES IN EFFECT AT THAT TIME, AND THREE, THE PETITIONERS AND THEIR SUCCESSORS AND INTEREST SHALL ABIDE BY THE VARIANCE GRANTED VIA PETITION 26 V1. ANY FURTHER ENCROACHMENT OR EXPANSION BEYOND THIS THRESHOLD WILL REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL VARIANCE AND APPROVAL BY CITY COUNCIL. THIS CONCLUDES MY PRESENTATION AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. YEAH. CAN YOU JUST CONFIRM WHAT DATE WAS THE R 1501 15 IN PLACE, INCLUDING THE 40 FOOT I RESEARCH AS FAR BACK AS 1953. OKAY, SO AND IT WAS THE 40 FOOT WHEN IT WAS PUT IN PLACE. THAT'S CORRECT. AND DO YOU HAVE THE DIMENSIONS OF THE CURRENT GARAGE THAT'S THERE.

BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S THE IT'S THE GARAGE AREA THAT'S ENCROACHING. IF I'M CORRECT, I DON'T HAVE IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT TYPICALLY IT WOULD NEED TO BE AT LEAST 18FT IN LENGTH. YEAH, TO ACCOMMODATE ONE VEHICLE. SO EVEN IF THEY WERE TO PARTIALLY DEMOLISH THE FRONT, THE TEN FEET, WHICH IN THE STAFF REPORT, YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED THAT I WOULD DEEM THAT UNREASONABLE, IT WOULD ALSO CREATE EVEN FURTHER NONCOMPLIANCE BECAUSE NOW IT WILL NO LONGER BE A GARAGE. AND THE CODE REQUIRES THAT A GARAGE BE PROVIDED FOR SINGLE FAMILY

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SO WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT IN A GENERATOR AND HAS TO DO SOMETHING OUTSIDE AND, AND IT'S WELL WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF WHATEVER IS THERE, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THIS WOULD THIS APPLIES ONLY TO WHAT IS EXISTING THERE TODAY? ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION, NEW IMPROVEMENTS, EVERYTHING WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH CODE. ALSO, EVEN IF THEY HAVE AN ADDITION LIKE THEY GO TO THE SECOND FLOOR, THEY WILL STILL NEED TO COMPLY WITH THE CODE. TODAY. THE WHOLE HOUSE AS I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. YES, THEY THEY BASICALLY GO THROUGH AND BE ALLOWED THIS TO BUILD IN A SECOND HOUSE AND PUT IN GENERATORS STILL WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT AND WITH THIS VARIANCE OR WOULD IF THEY DID THAT WOULD FORCE THEM TO. NOPE.

THIS THE THERE'S YOU HAVE TO TAKE THE CONDITIONS ALL ALL TOGETHER. BUT THIS APPLIES ONLY TO THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. SO IF THEY ALTER THAT STRUCTURE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO PUT A GENERATOR. BUT WHERE THEY PUT A GENERATOR WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH CODE. WE'RE NOT GRANTING THEM THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT WE'RE GRANTING TODAY IS WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY IS APPROVING THE STRUCTURE AS IT SITS. WE'RE NOT APPROVING A 30 FOOT SETBACK. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. WE'RE NOT OFFERING THEM A VARIANCE. SO SO IF THEY'RE IN THE WHATEVER THE CURRENT SETBACKS ARE, THEY'D BE ALLOWED TO PUT IN A GENERATOR. WOULD THEY BE PUT IN A SECOND FLOOR AT THE 40FT. THEY WOULD, YES, BUT NOT 40FT. IN OTHER WORDS, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CHANGE THE GARAGE, BUT THE REST OF THE HOUSE ARE GOING TO ELEVATE TO A SECOND HOUSE. THEY COULD DO THAT. CAN THEY BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT? SO THE ONLY THING THAT THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO IS TOUCH ANYTHING RELATED TO WITHIN THE 30. THE TEN FOOT OF THE ENCROACHMENT IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO THEY WANTED TO AND THEN POINT TWO SAYS IF THE STRUCTURE IS DEMOLISHED. SO IF THEY WIPED OUT THE REST OF THE HOUSE AND LEFT THE GARAGE, THEY COULD BUILD A WHOLE BRAND NEW HOUSE WITHIN THE CURRENT. OKAY. WELL, THAT'S I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THIS MEANS, TO BE PRECISE. THAT'S ALL. SO WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ADDING A SECOND FLOOR VERSUS DEMOLISHING THE HOUSE AND LEAVING THE GARAGE? AND THAT'S THE PART I DON'T UNDERSTAND. NO DIFFERENCE. IF THEY IF THEY AMEND THE EXISTING STRUCTURE THEN THE VARIANCE DOESN'T APPLY. BUT THEY JUST SAID THAT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO PUT IN A SECOND FLOOR. IF IT'S IF IT'S WITHIN CODE, THAT'S THAT'S CORRECT. SO IF YOU DEMOLISH THE WHOLE HOUSE AND LEAVE, YOU KNOW, ABOUT 15FT OF A GARAGE, WE WOULDN'T APPROVE THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT LEAVING A VIABLE STRUCTURE. OKAY. SO I'M JUST I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. VERY CONFUSING. SO YOU'RE SAYING IF THEY DEMOLISH THE HOUSE BUT LEFT THE GARAGE, THEY WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO BUILD A NEW THING, RIGHT? OKAY. BUT IF THEY TOOK THE HOUSE, IT IS. AND ELEVATE IT TO A SECOND FLOOR, THEY'D BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. BUT NOT TO THIS GARAGE.

NOT THE GARAGE. OKAY, I'M JUST TRYING TO. BUT THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO. AND WHAT THEY'RE NOT. SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF THE FOOTPRINT OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE CHANGED, THAT'S THE PART WHERE THEY WOULD NOT THEY WOULD IMMEDIATELY LOSE THE ENTIRE YEAH, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO DO ANYTHING WITHIN THAT TEN FEET THAT'S ENCROACHING. THEY'RE STILL BEING. NO, YOU'RE RIGHT ON THE WAY YOU'RE DESCRIBING IT. I THINK BILL, THAT IS IF THEY IF THEY STAY WITHIN THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT AND PUT A SECOND STOREY ON, THEY'D BE ALLOWED TO DO IT LIKE ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BLOCK. BUT IF THEY WANT TO DO ANYTHING WITH THAT GARAGE OR IF THEY TORE THE WHOLE STRUCTURE DOWN EXCEPT FOR THE GARAGE, THEY LOSE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT'S NOT VERY CLEAR. SO I AGREE WITH YOU, MR. COUGHLIN. I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE CLARIFICATION AND ALSO PUT PUT TO BED THE CONCERN THAT WE WOULD TEAR DOWN THE HOUSE AND KEEP THE GARAGE. BUT BUT MISS MARTIN SPOKE TO THAT. THAT WOULDN'T BE PERMITTED CONDITION IN ANY EVENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. I HAVE A QUESTION. OKAY. NO. YOU'RE NOT THE CHAIRMAN. I KNOW, I KNOW, I'M NOT TRYING TO BE. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION TO APPROVE. WITH THE CONDITIONS AS LAID DOWN BY STAFF. IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND? SECOND. CALL THE ROLL. COUNCIL MEMBER. COOPER. YES.

MEMBER. CREASE. YES. MEMBER. FOWLER. YES. MEMBER. BARONE. YES. VICE CHAIR. KAPLAN. YES.

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AND MISS MARTIN HAS KEPT THE DEPARTMENT AFLOAT WITH ALL OF ALL OF THAT THEY HAVE GOING ON.

SO THANK YOU FOR GOING OUT OF YOUR WAY TO. AND I HOPE ANYBODY WATCHING THIS REALIZES THE BOARD IS VERY SENSITIVE TO SOMEONE PULLING A FAST ONE, SO TO SPEAK, OF TRYING TO PROTECT AN EASEMENT FOR ANOTHER PURPOSE. SO I APPRECIATE THE APPROACH THAT EVERYBODY TOOK TO THIS.

AND DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YES, MR. CHAIR, I JUST WANT TO HIGHLIGHT OR AMPLIFY SOMETHING THAT MISS PASSIDOMO SAID IS THAT IN THE LAW OF VARIANCES, THEY DO NOT CREATE PRECEDENT.

SO AND WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE TO DO IS COME TO THESE HEARINGS AND SHOW YOU A MAP OF ALL THE VARIANCES THAT WERE GRANTED AND TRY TO SHOW YOU THAT, OH, NOW YOU'RE SOMEHOW COMMITTED TO VARIANCES. BUT THE LAW SAYS THAT YOU TAKE THEM ON THE FACTS, THAT THEY COME AND THEY DO NOT CREATE PRECEDENT OR POLICY. SO AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU ALL DID TODAY. CAN I ASK A FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT? WOULD THAT SAME THING BE TRUE WITH CONDITIONAL USES. AND THEN JUST THE APPROVALS, YOU KNOW, ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS OF OF PETITIONS? I MEAN, I MEAN CONDITIONAL USES ARE WHAT THEY ARE. BASICALLY IT'S IT'S A USE THAT MIGHT BE PERMISSIBLE DEPENDING ON THE SITUATION AND THE CONDITIONS THAT YOU PUT IN PLACE. SO IT'S VERY GEOGRAPHIC SITUATIONAL, FACT SPECIFIC. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 7BA RESOLUTION DETERMINING

[7.B) A Resolution Determining Conditional Use Petition 25-CU5 Pursuant to Sections 46-34, 58-503, and 50-107 of the Code of Ordinances, City of Naples, to Allow for a Cocktail Lounge in a Planned Development with Highway Commercial Zoning and to Approve an Associated Parking Needs Analysis on Property Owned by Weston Associates, LLC, and Located at 4089 Tamiami Trail North, A104; More Fully Described Herein; Providing for Findings and Conditions; Providing for Scrivener's Errors; and Providing an Effective Date. (JB)]

THIS ITEM HAS BEEN CONTINUED. WE WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION TO CONTINUE THIS ITEM AND THIS WOULD BE TO THE MARCH 11TH, 2026 PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD MEETING. MAKE A MOTION. SECOND.

THANK YOU. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE, AYE. THANK YOU. THAT'S SEVEN C ALRIGHT. ORDINANCE FOR THE

[7.C) An Ordinance for the Purpose of Adopting the 2025 Level of Service Report; and Providing an Effective Date.]

YES. WE NEED DISCLOSURES ON THIS ONE. NO, I DON'T THINK SO. OKAY. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING, ERICA MARTIN, PLANNING DIRECTOR. WE HAVE FOR YOU THE ANNUAL LEVEL OF SERVICE REPORT. IF YOU WERE HERE LAST YEAR IN FEBRUARY, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THIS PROCESS. SO SECTION 48 OR CHAPTER 48 OF THE CITY'S LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS THE CONCURRENCY SECTION OF OUR CODE REQUIRES THAT EVERY FEBRUARY WE PROVIDE TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AND THEN ON TO CITY COUNCIL, A LEVEL OF SERVICE REPORT. SO THIS IS US REPORTING TO YOU ON THE CONCURRENCY LEVELS OF CERTAIN MEASURES WITHIN THE CITY. SO THERE ARE CERTAIN KIND OF GROUPINGS, LEVELS OF SERVICE THAT WE WOULD REPORT TO YOU.

ONE OF THEM, I WILL SAY THE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES IN PARKLANDS THAT IS REPORTED TO THE COMMUNITY SERVICES ADVISORY BOARD. SO THAT'S THE ONE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT DOES NOT GO THROUGH THE PAB, THAT GOES TO CSAB AND ON TO CITY COUNCIL. SO I INCLUDED THE REPORT JUST FOR YOU TO SEE, BUT IT WAS REVIEWED BY THE CSB, AND THAT WILL MEET YOUR RECOMMENDATION AT CITY COUNCIL NEXT MONTH. BUT WE HAVE FOR YOU THE REMAINING ELEMENTS OF THE LEVEL OF SERVICE. SO WE HAVE POTABLE WATER, SANITARY SEWER, SOLID WASTE, DRAINAGE AND STREET TRAFFIC ARE THE LEVELS OF SERVICE WE HAVE FOR YOU TODAY. YOU'LL SEE IN THE PACKAGE THE REPORTS THAT WERE PREPARED BY THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS ON THOSE ELEMENTS. THE PURPOSE OF THESE REPORTS IS TO IDENTIFY ANY CURRENT OR POTENTIAL DEFICIENCIES, GIVEN THE POPULATION PROJECTIONS FOR THE SERVICE AREA, AND PROVIDE REMEDIES FOR DEFICIENCIES. SO THE FIRST STEP IN WHAT'S HERE BEFORE YOU IS THE REPORT. SO LETTING YOU KNOW WHERE, IF ANY, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED ANY DEFICIENCIES IN THOSE LEVELS OF SERVICE. THE REPORT IS ESSENTIALLY TO BE ACCEPTED APPROVED MOVED BY YOU TO CITY COUNCIL. ONCE THERE WILL BE A FIRST READING FROM CITY COUNCIL,

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THOSE ARE ALL IDENTIFIED BOTH IN CHAPTER 48. AND WE ALSO HAVE THE CONCURRENCY ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH FURTHER IDENTIFIES THOSE LEVELS OF SERVICE. SO WE WILL GO THROUGH THAT FOR EACH ONE. PERFECT. AND THEN LAST QUESTION, ON WHAT BASIS MIGHT WE DETERMINE WHETHER TO APPROVE OR DENY THE REPORTS THE THE OKAY, PLEASE. SURE. IT'S REALLY YOU'RE ACCEPTING THIS REPORT. YOU COULD REQUIRE THE PROVISION OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION. IF YOU FELT LIKE THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WASN'T CLEAR TO YOU, OR YOU WANTED MORE INFORMATION ON SOMETHING, BUT YOU DO HAVE, I WILL REMIND YOU, YOU HAVE YOUR EXPERTS HERE TODAY. THESE ARE THE EXPERTS THAT ARE IN THESE EVERY DAY, AND THEY RUN THESE NUMBERS. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD BE REJECTING THEIR REPORTING TO YOU. BUT IF THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU THOUGHT COULD BE PROVIDED DIFFERENTLY TO DISCUSS THAT. TERRIFIC. THANKS SO MUCH.

COULD I JUST REMIND US THAT LAST YEAR WE WENT DOWN SOME VERY LONG, DEEP RABBIT HOLES DEBATING WHETHER THE STANDARDS WERE CORRECT OR NOT? THIS IS MARKING. THIS IS LIKE SCORING EXAM, NOT QUESTIONING IF THE EXAM QUESTIONS ARE HARD ENOUGH. AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. I WILL MENTION THAT AS WELL. THE LEVELS OF SERVICE HAVE BEEN DECIDED, SO WE'RE NOT HERE TODAY TO DISCUSS WHETHER WE AGREE WITH THOSE LEVELS OF SERVICE. HOWEVER, DON'T DISMAY WE ARE GOING THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE. SO WE WE HAVE A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY HERE TO ADDRESS THOSE, JUST NOT TODAY. SO WHAT WE ARE REPORTING TO YOU TODAY IS BASED ON THOSE ALREADY ESTABLISHED LEVELS OF SERVICE. BUT WE WILL OF COURSE BE ADDRESSING THEM. SO BOTTOM LINE GUYS, WE'RE HERE TO ACCEPT IT AND PASS IT FORWARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL. BUT WE CAN HAVE COMMENTS THAT HOPEFULLY THEY MIGHT PAY ATTENTION TO. YES THAT'S IT. OKAY. YES, BILL, I SAW ONE OF THE REPORTS, THE IT HAS SOME TABLE. TABLE ONE I GUESS IT SHOWS TEN YEARS WORTH OF STUFF FOR BASICALLY A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE MAJOR ROADS AND WHAT THE VOLUME HAS BEEN OVER TEN YEARS. DO YOU HAVE THE SAME THING FOR THIS DETAIL, ONE THAT WE SEE HERE? IS THERE A WAY THAT DOES THIS HAVE DATA FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS? RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU SAVE YOUR QUESTIONS FOR THE SPECIFIC EXPERTS. I DIDN'T WRITE ANY OF THESE REPORTS. I WROTE THE AGENDA MEMORANDUM. I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER TO ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS. THEY'RE GOING TO SOMEBODY PRESENTING. OKAY. WE'LL HAVE THE EXPERTS PRESENT THERE. I THOUGHT, OKAY, I THOUGHT THIS WAS IT. I THINK I THINK WE'RE ALSO DEALING WITH A LEVEL OF TRUST HERE. OKAY.

LET'S GO FORWARD, PLEASE. OKAY.

GOOD MORNING GENTLEMEN. DOCTOR GEORGE YILMAZ, I'M THE NEW CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE AND PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. AND SO I'M HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE IN TERMS OF UTILITIES, DRINKING WATER, POTABLE WATER, WATER SUPPLY, IRRIGATION QUALITY,

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VERY GOOD SIR. WE'LL DO THAT. SO LET'S START WITH ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE ARE DRINKING WATER, WHERE WE GENERATE BILLIONS OF GALLONS OF PRODUCE, BILLIONS OF GALLONS OF DRINKING WATER AND SHIP IT TO OUR CUSTOMERS. AND OUR CRITERIA IN TERMS OF QUALITY CONTROL, QUALITY ASSURANCE IS EVERY GALLON OF BILLIONS OF GALLONS OF WATER WE PRODUCE THAT GOES TO EVERY SINGLE CUSTOMER'S HOME HAS TO BE READY FOR A BABY FORMULA. THAT'S THE QA, QC STANDARDS THAT WE'RE GOING TO SHOOT FOR, AND WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE FROM A WATER QUALITY STANDPOINT MEETS THAT CRITERIA. SO FROM A SCIENTIFIC STANDPOINT, THAT MEANS WE HAVE TO MEET PRIMARY STANDARDS. ABOUT 118 ANALYTICAL SERVICES LABORATORY TESTS NEW LIKE CERTIFIED. AND THERE IS ANOTHER 28 SECONDARY STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE TO MEET AND MAKE SURE THAT OUR MCLS MAXIMUM CONCENTRATION LEVELS ARE NOT EXCEEDED OR NON-DETECTABLE. THIS IS NOT IN YOUR REPORT. YOUR REPORT IS ALL ABOUT QUANTITY. DO WE HAVE DO WE HAVE ENOUGH WATER OR NOT? YES. ARE WE CONCURRENT? YES. MY PRESENTATION IS OVER, BUT I DID WANT TO TAKE THIS CHANCE AND OPPORTUNITY. SINCE YOU'RE THE PLANNING BOARD TO INDICATE THAT THE WAY MOVING FORWARD WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE. ARE WE MEETING THE QUANTITY STANDARDS, BUT ALSO ARE WE MEETING THE QUALITY STANDARDS THAT OUR CUSTOMER BASE FROM A PUBLIC HEALTH STANDPOINT SHOULD DEMAND? EVEN IF THEY DON'T, WE SHOULD INTERNAL DEMAND. AND WE ARE. SO I'M VERY PLEASED TO REPORT THAT OUR WATER UTILITY PRODUCING COMPLIANT WATER UNDER EPA FDEP WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT PERMITS HIGHLY REGULATED AND THAT THERE ARE THINGS THAT THE NEXT TIME I LOVE TO HAVE A CHANCE TO MAKE A PRESENTATION NOT YET IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE UNDER WATER QUALITY SIDE OF THINGS IN OUR LOS. SO I'M PLEASED TO REPORT WE'RE MEETING THE WATER QUALITY STANDARDS FOR THE PURPOSE OF PROVIDING SAFE DRINKING POTABLE WATER FOR INDOOR USE, COOKING COFFEE, MAKING, SHOWERING, DRINKING, WASHING, DISHING, AND WHAT HAVE YOU. IN TERMS OF QUANTITY, I'M PLEASED TO REPORT THAT WE HAVE THE CAPACITY AT THE PLANTS AND WE HAVE THE DISTRIBUTION CAPACITY, EXCEPT FEW AREAS WE'RE WORKING ON AS BOTTLENECK THAT WE NEED TO DO LOOPING FOR US TO BE ABLE TO READY MORE RESILIENT WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM SO THAT WHEN WE HAVE A WATER MAIN BREAK, I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE SIGNIFICANT AREA OR CUSTOMER BASE OUT OF WATER FOR A LONG PERIOD OF TIME AND OR PUT ON BOIL WATER. NOTICE THESE ARE THE OPERATIONAL DETAILS, BUT THE CAPACITY RELATES TO NOT JUST DO WE HAVE THE CAPACITY AT THE PLANT, BUT DO WE HAVE THE RELIABLE CAPACITY IN OUR WATER DISTRIBUTION SYSTEM SO THAT WE

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WE'RE LOOKING AT BEAVER NUMBERS CONCURRENTLY. WE HAVE A WE HAVE A MODELING THAT COUNTY CONCURRENCY TEAM UTILIZING. THAT MODEL INCLUDES POTENTIAL GROWTH AREAS WITHIN THE DISTRICT. AS YOU KNOW, OUR WATER DISTRICT AND SEWER DISTRICT IS NOT ONLY CONTAINED WITHIN CITY OF NAPLES. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT POTENTIAL GROWTH OUTSIDE OF THE CITY. HOWEVER, WITHIN OUR WATER SEWER DISTRICT. NOW, ONE THING THAT I WANT TO MENTION, BECAUSE FROM A PLANNING HORIZON STANDPOINT, I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE VERY BENEFICIAL TO SHARE AT LEAST MY THOUGHTS WITH YOU THAT GROWTH WITHIN THE COUNTY SIDE OF THE DISTRICT IS GOOD NEWS, AS LONG AS IT MEETS OUR EXPECTATIONS. WHAT WE WANT TO SURROUND OURSELVES WITH, NOT HIGH RISES, LOW RISES. MY PREFERENCE WOULD BE SINGLE HOMES THAT DOESN'T ENCROACH UPON WHAT WE WOULD CALL AIRSPACE. VIEW. SO WHY, WHY, WHY THAT IS IMPORTANT AND WHY WE INCLUDE IT HERE. AND MOVING FORWARD YOU'LL SEE NUMBERS MORE ACCURATE, BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR MODEL NOT ONLY INCLUDES CITY OF NAPLES GROWTH IN TERMS OF IN GROWTH WITH HIGH DENSITY, BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT EVERY TIME YOU DECIDE TO MAKE A LAND OR CURRENT STRUCTURE TO BE HIGHER DENSITY WHILE THE DEMAND GOES UP, GARBAGE DEMAND GOES UP. IRRIGATION WATER MAY OR MAY NOT, AMONG OTHERS. SO WE HAVE MORE THAN 50 PLUS YEARS OLD INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN OUR CITY OF NAPLES. IF WE END UP WITH BUILDING NEW INFRASTRUCTURE AT NO COST TO CITY UTILITY DISTRICT CONVEYED TO US, WE HAVE A NEW INFRASTRUCTURE INCLUDING PIPES, VALVES, FIRE HYDRANTS, BACKFLOW PREVENTION DEVICES, LIFT STATIONS, SEWER SYSTEMS, MANHOLES AND METERS.

THEY ARE ALL CONVEYED TO US AS NEW INFRASTRUCTURE. HYPOTHETICALLY, IF I HAVE 4000 SINGLE HOMES DEVELOPED OUTSIDE OF OUR CITY, BUT WITHIN OUR WATER SEWER DISTRICT FOR THE CITY, THEN I HAVE 20 YEAR HORIZON FOR A STANDARD LOW MAINTENANCE OF THE NEW INFRASTRUCTURE, BUT I'M COLLECTING REVENUES WITH SURCHARGE. THOSE REVENUES IS GOING TO FUEL OUR BONDING CAPACITY AND BORROWING CAPACITY AS NEW CUSTOMER BASE FOR US TO

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THANK YOU. OKAY. AND I THINK TWO I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. THE FIRST IS A COMMENT. AND THAT IS WE'VE GOT TO REMEMBER WHEN WE LOOK AT POPULATION DENSITY, THAT WHEN WE APPROVE A COMMERCIAL HOTEL, IT'S THAT THOSE ARE REALLY HIGH USAGE ITEMS THAT WE'VE REALLY GOT TO CONSIDER. AND THEN THE SECOND ONE WAS A QUESTION WE HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH THE AGING OF OUR PIPES ABOUT LEAD OR OTHER TOXIC ELEMENTS WITHIN OUR WATER SUPPLY. THAT COMING NOT COMING FROM YOUR PLANT, BUT COMES FROM THE TRANSMISSION PART OF THIS THING? ABSOLUTELY, YES. AND WE TEST FOR THAT EVER. AND THAT'S WHERE WITH OUR NEW CITY MANAGER AND HIS INITIATIVE FOR REBUILDING OUR STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE BOTTOM UP. AND CONCURRENT TO THAT, WE INITIATED SOMETHING CALLED PURE CITY PROGRAM. PURE MEANS PUBLIC UTILITIES RENEWABLE PROGRAM.

YOU MIGHT BE FAMILIAR WITH NAPLES PARK. IT'S LIKE A WAR ZONE. WE GO IN THERE, TAKE THE ROAD OUT, PUT BRAND NEW SANITARY SEWER SYSTEM, GOES ABOUT 6FT TO 17FT DEEP WITH DE-WATERING WHILE WE'RE DOING AND RENEWING OUR SEWER SYSTEM, WE ARE ALSO RENEWING OUR WATER PIPES, OLDER PIPES, GALVANIZED PIPES, IF WE HAVE IT, ASBESTOS CONTAINING PIPES, AMONG OTHERS.

SO WHEN WE GO INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WE WANT TO GO IN THERE ONCE, COME BACK AND GIVE OUR CUSTOMERS REBUILD INVISIBLE NEW SUBDIVISION, PROBABLY NEWEST IN THE COLLIER COUNTY.

THANK YOU. YOU'RE ALSO GOING TO COMMENT ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE OF THINGS. ONE MORE TIME.

YOU'RE GOING TO COMMENT ON THE WASTEWATER SIDE? ABSOLUTELY. PLEASE CONTINUE. ABSOLUTELY.

WASTEWATER IS. CONTINUES TO BE A NEW FRONTIER IN TERMS OF RELIABILITY ENGINEERING AS WELL AS ADVANCEMENTS. SO WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN BLEEDING EDGE, BUT WE WILL BE IN CUTTING EDGE.

THE WASTEWATER RECLAMATION FACILITIES WE HAVE IS IT'S CALLED ML BIOREACTORS. WHAT THAT IS, IS TREATMENT IS ALL DRIVEN BY BIOLOGICAL TREATMENT, WHICH IS GREAT. HOWEVER, BIOLOGICAL TREATMENT AND OXIDATION FILTRATION USING SODIUM HYPOCHLORITE, HIGH DOSES WILL NOT TREAT SOME OF THE UNREGULATED OR TO BE REGULATED ON HORIZON. THOSE PRIMARY SECONDARY LEVELS THAT WE ALL TALKED ABOUT FOR THE WATER APPLIES TO OUR IRRIGATION QUALITY WATER. SO WE TAKE WASTEWATER FROM OUR CUSTOMERS FIRST. WE GIVE WATER, DRINKING WATER, AND MOST OF IT, IF NOT ALL OF IT TURNS INTO WASTEWATER. WE TAKE THE WASTEWATER BACK AND WE RECLAIM IT. OUR WASTEWATER PLANTS CALLED WATER RECLAMATION PLANTS. WE TURN IT INTO IRRIGATION QUALITY WATER. AND THAT'S THE REUSE WATER NON-POTABLE YOU SEE ALL AROUND.

IS IT NUTRIENT RICH OR RICHER? YES, COMPARED TO POTABLE WATER. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO

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AS OUR GREAT CITY MANAGER COMING FROM CFO ESTABLISHED FOR STORMWATER, WHERE WE HAVE A FINANCIAL PORTFOLIO NOW, FIRST TIME WE CAN MAKE SOME OF THE STORMWATER CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE RESILIENT FOR ABOVE AND BEYOND YOUR CURRENT FIVE YEAR ONE. OUR STORM NOW WE'RE SHOOTING FOR 25 YEAR, THREE DAY STORM, INCLUDING ONE DAY PEAK HOURS. AND THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF NOT ONLY NUISANCE FLOODING, BUT IT WILL TAKE CARE OF TROPICAL STORM RELATED READINESS AND RESILIENCY. SO WATER SEWER WILL HAVE TO ALSO HAVE A FINANCIAL PORTFOLIO IN TERMS OF USER RATES ADJUSTMENT PHASED IN FOR US TO BE ABLE TO CATCH UP WITH. NOW, STORMWATER AGGRESSIVE PROGRAM THAT WE'RE GOING AFTER NEXT 8 TO 14 YEARS. YES, SIR. ON THE TOPIC OF STORMWATER, IF THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE TO TO TO RAISE IT, I NOTE, DOCTOR, THAT YOUR REPORT NOTES THAT SOME ROADS IN AQUALINE SHORES DO NOT MEET THE CURRENT FIVE YEAR STORMWATER STANDARD. I UNDERSTAND UNDER CODE OUR CODE 48 SEVEN. I THINK IT IS. YOU MUST EITHER FUND THESE DEVELOPMENTS IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN TWO YEARS WILL CEASE ISSUING DEVELOPMENT ORDERS. DO WE HAVE A TIMELINE TO IMPLEMENT A CURE FOR THESE DEFICIENCIES? YES, SIR. WE DO. AND THAT IS SINCE OUR NEW CITY MANAGER AND I CAME ON BOARD, WE TEAMED UP. WE CAME UP WITH ENTERPRISE BUSINESS MODEL. WHAT'S FEASIBLE AND HOW FAST WE CAN MOVE FROM PROCUREMENT TO EXECUTION STANDPOINT. AND IN SYNC WITH THAT, OUR CITY MANAGER PRESENTED TO THE COUNCIL FINANCIAL MASTER PLAN, INCREASED OUR STORMWATER FEES AND MOVED IT FOR NEXT THREE YEARS BECAUSE IT WAS 100% INCREASE IN STORMWATER FEES. SO WE PHASED IT OUT FOR NEXT THREE YEARS PLUS. AND THAT PROVIDES CONTINUOUS REVENUE SOURCE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO HAVE BORROWING POWER. AND WE ALREADY HAVE $64 MILLION FOR THE EXECUTION NEXT EIGHT YEAR HORIZON. AND WE WERE ABLE TO PUT 3 TO $6 MILLION IN OUR CURRENT AND NEXT FISCAL YEAR BUDGET. AND WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF SOLICITING AND GETTING THE DESIGN IN PLACE FOR FIVE DIFFERENT LARGE BASINS DOES NOT MEET OUR STANDARDS FOR NEW STANDARDS. I WANT TO SAY FOR 25 YEAR STORM EVENT, WHILE WE'RE GOING TO EXECUTE THAT, WE HAVE TO CATCH UP WITH OUR CITY PROGRAM AS WELL. I HOPE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. YES YOU DID. SO I GUESS IN SHORT, YES, WE'RE GOING TO BE WITHIN COMPLIANT OF OUR SECTION 48 SEVEN IN TERMS OF FUNDING WITHIN TWO YEARS. ABSOLUTELY.

WE NEED TO WE NEED TO INCREASE OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE FROM FIVE YEAR TO ONE YEAR. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 25 YES. GREAT PRESENTATION DAVID. YEAH. SO I JUST POPPED THIS UP HERE. SORRY.

THIS IS YOUR THE INTERACTIVE MAP. BUT YOU ARE ABLE ON THE INTERACTIVE MAP ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE TO SHOW. SO THIS IS THE WATER SERVICE AREA YOU CAN SEE OUTLINED IN THE BLUE. SO THAT DEPICTS YOUR WATER SERVICE AREA. AND THEN YOU CAN SHOW THE SANITARY SERVICE AREA. IS THIS OUTLINE HERE. AND THEN RIGHT ABOVE THAT YOU HAVE YOUR RECLAIMED WATER SERVICE AREA.

SO WE'LL INCLUDE THAT IN PDFS IN THE REPORT MOVING FORWARD. BUT IF ANY OF YOU HAVE PERUSED THE INTERACTIVE MAP ONLINE, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF LAYERS THAT YOU CAN VERY IMPRESSIVE TOGGLE ON AND OFF TO SHOW THESE DIFFERENT AREAS. CAN YOU ALSO INCLUDE A LINK SO WE CAN

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ABSOLUTELY. AND I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN WITH MY TRANSPORTATION SERVICES MANAGER IN CHARGE AND CITY ENGINEER FOR TRANSPORTATION SERVICES. ONE OF THE THINGS YOU WILL SEE YOU HAVE NOT SEEN BEFORE, WE INCLUDED COUNTY GOVERNMENT, WHICH IS LEVEL OF SERVICE. SO MOVING FORWARD WE WILL LOOK INTO NOT WITHIN THE CITY BOUNDARIES WHAT WE CAN WE CANNOT DO. THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO WITHIN THE CITY BOUNDARIES IN TERMS OF ENHANCEMENTS, IMPROVEMENTS, OPTIMIZATION, USING TECHNOLOGY TO MOVE THE TRAFFIC BETTER. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE VISIBLE TO OUR PLANNING. ADVISORY GROUP AND PLANNING BOARD, AS WELL AS OUR COUNCIL, THAT THERE'S A TSUNAMI COMING OUR WAY. SO WHAT I MEAN, WITH THAT, COLLIER COUNTY, FOR ALL THE GOOD REASONS AND THEY HAVE APPROVED NUMBER OF TOWNS AND VILLAGES ABOUT CLOSE TO SIX ALL THE WAY FROM NORTH HOGAN LAKES. THAT'S NORTH OF MCCULLOUGH ROAD. WHEN IT MAKES TURN TO THE NORTH TOWARD IMMOKALEE AND THEN EAST OF ALL WELL ROAD. WE HAVE AS YOU KNOW, SKYSAIL DEVELOPMENT ALREADY 80% BUILD OUT. AND THEN YOU HAVE RIVER GRASS, WHICH WILL HAVE VILLAGES AND TOWNS NORTH AND SOUTH OF OLIVER ROAD. AND THEN YOU GOT EAST OF ALVA MARIA. THERE ARE TWO DEVELOPMENTS, ONE ALREADY APPROVED, ONE BEING APPROVED, AND THE CUSTOMER BASE FOR THAT AREA IS MIXED 5050, IF NOT 51%. CUSTOMERS PURCHASING THOSE HOMES FROM EAST COAST. AND THAT'S WHY YOU WILL SEE IF YOU GO FURTHER EAST IN COLLIER COUNTY. OUR ESSENTIAL SERVICE WORKERS, WITH THEIR LOGOS FROM MIAMI-DADE AND FORT LAUDERDALE AND, YOU KNOW, POLICE AND SHERIFF CARS AND WHAT HAVE YOU. SO IT'S ABOUT ONE HOUR PLUS AWAY. YOU TAKE 29 AND YOU MOVE TO THE EAST. NOW, WHY I'M SHARING THAT WITH YOU. WHERE DO THEY GO? WHERE WOULD THEY GO FOR THE WEEKEND? THEY ARE NOT GOING EAST. THEY ARE GOING TO COME TO WEST. WHERE IS THE ACCESS POINT? SAFE SOUND FOR FAMILIES, TODDLERS TO PLAY AND ENJOY 40 PLUS ACCESS POINTS WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF NAPLES FOR ZERO FOR BEACH ACCESS AND OUR ICONIC PIER WE'RE BUILDING. THAT'S GOING TO BE BETTER THAN BEFORE. SO THEN THE QUESTION IS, HOW ARE WE GOING TO, HOW ARE WE GOING TO MANAGE AND WHAT KIND OF STRATEGIES WE NEED TO HAVE TO BE READY FOR GROWTH ON THE EAST PART OF THE COUNTY WILL BE COMING TO WEST. IN TERMS OF WATER SPORTS AND FAMILY EVENTS AND WHAT HAVE YOU. SO PELICAN BAY PRETTY MUCH PRIVATIZED WHEN IT COMES TO BEACH ACCESS. COLLIER COUNTY HAS LIMITED ACCESS TO COAST. YOU GOT BAREFOOT BEACH RIGHT NEXT TO IT. NORTH IS THE LEE COUNTY, BUT THAT'S PRETTY MUCH BETWEEN ESTERO AND GROWTH IN BONITA SPRINGS. PRETTY MUCH PACKED, AND MARCO ISLAND IS ALREADY PACKED IN TERMS OF BEACH ACCESS. AND THEN YOU GOT EVERGLADES CITY. THEY ONLY HAVE BOAT LAUNCH AND PORT OF OWLS. THEY ONLY HAVE BOAT LAUNCH. SO WHAT WE HAVE DONE, WE'RE INCREASING OUR POPULATION COUNTYWIDE. ALGORITHMIC ALGORITHMICALLY. HOWEVER, WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT

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I'M JUST JOKING. MIGHT BE FEASIBLE. GREAT IDEA. GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, I'M NOT VERY POINT, WHICH IS PROBABLY THE THING I'VE HARPED ON A FEW TIMES. I DID IT THE JOINT MEETING ABOUT THIS MULTI DIMENSIONAL MAPPING. SO IN OTHER WORDS WE MAP WHAT WE HAVE.

NOW WE MAP WHAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED YES BUT NOT YET BUILT. NOT JUST BUILDINGS BUT THE ACTUAL STRAIN ON RESOURCES. AND THEN WE MAP WHAT COULD BE COMING IN THE FUTURE AND HOW THAT IS GOING TO SHOW PRESSURE ON, LET'S SAY, BEACH ACCESS, PRESSURE ON WATER CONSUMPTION, PRESSURE ON BUILDING AND INTENSITY AND DENSITY. YOU CAN MAP ALL THIS. IT'S NOT DIFFICULT. AND IT WILL MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE MAKING DECISION COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE PUBLIC TO SEE WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE AND WHAT STRAIN AND CAPACITIES WE HAVE, WHAT HAS BEEN APPROVED BUT NOT YET PUT IN PLACE, WHICH IS GOING TO EAT INTO SOME OF THAT RESOURCE, AND THEN WHAT IS PLANNED OR EXPECTED FOR THE FUTURE. AND THEN WE CAN SEE WHERE THE BOTTLENECKS ARE COMING, WHERE THE PRESSURES ARE GOING TO BE, AND THEN WE CAN ADAPT ACCORDINGLY, AS OPPOSED TO WAITING FOR AN APPROVAL TO BE APPROVED AND THEN DEALING WITH IT AFTERWARDS. BECAUSE WE'RE WE HAVE THE TAIL WAGGING, THE WAGGING THE HORSE OR THE WAGGING THE DOG, LET'S SAY, RATHER THAN THE DOG WAGGING THE TAIL. GREAT. GREAT FEEDBACK.

WELL TAKEN SIR, AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE AT THE AT THE WORKSHOP YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, ANDREW, IS IS THE MAYOR SEEMED TO BE VERY INTERESTED IN IN THE BUSINESS INFORMATION MODELING THAT YOU WERE DISCUSSING. AND I DID JUST A LITTLE RESEARCH. THERE'S ALSO BROADER CITY INFORMATIONAL MANAGING MODELING. I MEAN, AND SO IT SEEMS LIKE WE COULD TAKE THAT SORT OF MODELING AND YOU'LL KNOW BETTER THAN I WILL. DOCTOR GEORGE, I APOLOGIZE, BUT WE COULD EXPAND THAT PROBABLY AS FAR AS WE NEEDED TO INTO COLLIER COUNTY TO, TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE, THE STRESSES ON OUR SYSTEM THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. ABSOLUTELY. AND THEN I HAVE VERY BRIEF COMMENTS ON THE SOLID WASTE, IF I MAY, CHAIR. THANK YOU. NOW, SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT, AS YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH LEE COUNTY, MURF, THAT IS MATERIAL RECLAMATION FACILITY. WE HAVE A LONG TERM AGREEMENT WITH THEM. SO ALL OUR RECYCLABLES, ONE OF THE CLEANEST, WHICH WE SHOULD TAKE CREDIT FOR. IN THE SOUTHWEST FLORIDA. SO LET'S THAT'S THE RECYCLING PIECE WHERE IT GOES. CITY DOESN'T HAVE THEIR OWN FACILITIES OTHER THAN OUR TRANSFER STATION OR DIRECT DISCHARGE I MEAN DIRECT TRANSPORT. NOW LET'S TALK ABOUT BRIEFLY MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE. COLLIER COUNTY IS THE ONLY ENTITY PROVIDES CLASS ONE SANITARY LANDFILL SERVICES. SO IF COLLIER COUNTY RUNS OUT OF LANDFILL SPACE, BECAUSE WE TALKED ABOUT GROWTH WITHIN UNINCORPORATED AREAS, THAT GROWTH IS GOING TO BE GREAT. DEMAND ON THE LANDFILL CAPACITY. WE CURRENTLY HAVE. AND THEREFORE CITY OF MARCO AND CITY OF NAPLES AND CITY OF EVERGLADES, AS WELL AS. OTHER AREAS LIKE PELICAN BAY, WILL BE COMPETING FOR THE SAME AIRSPACE. SO THE QUESTION WE HAVE TO HAVE AND WE'RE GOING TO BRING THAT TO YOU NEXT CYCLE IN TERMS OF DO WE HAVE A MASTER PLAN FOR CITY OF NAPLES MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE MANAGEMENT AND AND ALTERNATIVES FROM A RELIABILITY

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SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT CAPACITY. SO WHAT WE HAVE IS WE HAVE THE CAPACITY THAT WAS BUILT FOR THE EIGHT YEARS AGO AND SAME FOOTPRINT. I WANT TO I WANT TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION SO THAT SOLID WASTE IS ALSO ON HORIZON AS ONE OF THE CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE IT'S AN ESSENTIAL LIFE SUSTAINING SERVICE. AND WE HAVE TO HAVE MEANS AND METHODS AND RELIABILITY IN OUR CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO DISPOSE OF THAT. SO WE WILL BRING TO YOU NEXT CYCLE THROUGH ERICA'S TEAM. FIRST TIME CITY OF NAPLES SOLID WASTE MASTER PLAN. HOW ARE WE GOING TO MANAGE OUR RECYCLABLES, YARD WASTE, WHITE GOODS AS WELL AS MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE WITH RELIABILITY BUILT IN IN TERMS OF CONTINGENCIES, INCLUDING HURRICANES AND TROPICAL STORMS, MAY NOT HIT US, BUT MAY HIT WHERE THE DISPOSAL AREAS ARE.

BUT THEN WE DON'T HAVE GARBAGE BUILDING UP IN OUR SOLID WASTE OPERATIONS CENTER. SO I JUST DID WANT TO MENTION THAT AS WELL. IT MIGHT BE INVISIBLE, BUT I WANT TO MAKE THAT VISIBLE FOR YOUR SHARP EYES. MR. CHAIRMAN, ON THAT VERY POINT, AS YOU ARE LOOKING INTO THAT, I ASK YOU TO MAYBE ENGAGE IN SOME OF THE RESEARCH, ESPECIALLY THAT'S GOING ON IN CHINA, WHERE THEY ARE ACTUALLY BUYING ALMOST AN ENTIRE COUNTRY'S LANDFILL BECAUSE OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF ENERGY THAT THEY'RE GENERATING FROM WHAT WAS CLASSED AS WASTE. SO RATHER THAN LOOKING AT IT, A CASE OF WORKING, WE FIND A LARGER AREA TO DISPOSE OF WASTE. MAYBE CONSIDERING THAT WASTE AS AN ASSET. AND LOOK AT THE RESEARCH THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING DEVELOPED AND USABLE NOW OF HOW THAT WHAT WAS A LIABILITY TO BECOME AN ASSET AND GENERATE REVENUE, NOT COST, BECAUSE THERE'S GREAT BIO ENERGY THAT CAN BE CREATED FROM LANDFILL SITES. WELL TAKEN AND RIGHT ON, THERE IS A 350 ACRES LAND NORTH OF THE COLLIER COUNTY LANDFILL CALLED SOLID WASTE BUSINESS PARK, AND THERE ARE A NUMBER OF VENTURE CAPITALISTS, AMERICAN ENTREPRENEURS, WILLING TO COME IN AND SAY, IF YOU GIVE ME SOME OF YOUR MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE, WE WILL TRY AND WE WILL EXPERIMENT. PROVEN TECHNOLOGIES FOR THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED. AND I THINK THAT SOLID WASTE, BURYING THE GARBAGE IS GOING BACK THOUSANDS OF YEARS. TECHNOLOGY, OF COURSE, IT'S SANITARY LANDFILL, WELL-MANAGED AND WHAT HAVE YOU. BUT I THINK THAT THE DURING THIS CENTURY WE WILL FIND MEANS AND METHODS FOR MANAGING OUR RECYCLABLES, MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE, UTILIZING MORE CUTTING EDGE, CUTTING EDGE TECHNOLOGY INSTEAD OF DUMPING AND BURYING, REUSE AS MUCH AS WE CAN AND BURY AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE. SO I REALLY THINK THAT THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR A PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN THE CITY OF NAPLES AND COLLIER COUNTY FOR THEIR SOLID WASTE BUSINESS PARK, 350 ACRES THEY GOT AND 160 ACRES USABLE ALREADY PERMITTED. AND THAT WILL BE PART OF OUR MASTER PLANNING PROCESS. AND KERRY HUDSON IS OUR SOLID WASTE DIRECTOR IN CHARGE THERE. AND SHE'S ALREADY GONE THROUGH AND LOOKING INTO ALL ALL OF THE CUTTING EDGE, BOTH CUTTING EDGE AND BLEEDING EDGE TECHNOLOGIES. SO WE'LL BE IN SYNC WITH COLLIER COUNTY. IT'S TIME TO PARTNER. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE ON YOUR REPORT? MICROPHONE.

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THANK YOU. AND WE'LL LOOK FOR THE TRAFFIC DIRECTOR, PLEASE. THANK.

GOOD MORNING, CHAIR AND BOARD, ALLISON BECKETT, FOR THE RECORD, CITY ENGINEER, TRANSPORTATION SERVICES MANAGER HERE PROVIDING THE REPORT FOR THE TRANSPORTATION SECTION. IN YOUR REPORT, YOU WILL SEE THE WE HAVE THE CITY STREETS INCORPORATED IN HERE. I WANT TO NOTE THAT THE ADOPTED LEVEL OF SERVICE FOR VEHICLE VEHICULAR TRAFFIC IS LEVEL SERVICE. SEA LEVEL SERVICE SEA WAS HISTORICALLY DEFINED WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE CODE OR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS THE RANGE OF STABLE FLOW, BUT IT MARKS THE BEGINNING OF THE RANGE OF FLOW IN WHICH OPERATION OF INDIVIDUAL USERS BECOMES SIGNIFICANTLY AFFECTED BY INTERACTIONS WITH OTHERS IN THE TRAFFIC STREAM. SO YOU'LL START TO NOTICE, AS YOU GO FROM LEVEL A TO LEVEL F, THAT THERE'S A CHALLENGE IN. IF YOU'RE DRIVING A VEHICLE FROM TRANSITIONING, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE'S MORE VEHICLES ON THE ROAD. IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO CHANGE LANES, STOP AND GO TRAFFIC THAT YOU'LL SEE AS YOU APPROACH LEVEL F, THE. SO YOU'LL SEE IN HERE AS WELL. WE HAVE THESE THE EXCEPTION TO THE LEVEL OF SERVICE TO THE CITY. IS THERE SOMETHING WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE LOOKING AT? I MEAN I'M JUST I'M GIVING YOU AN OVERVIEW OKAY OKAY. THERE'S NO THING TO LOOK AT. NOT NOT RIGHT NOW. I'LL I'LL GET INTO THAT. SO THE SINGLE EXCEPTION TO THE CITY'S STANDARD LEVEL OF SERVICE C IS FIFTH AVENUE. AS YOU'LL NOTICE IN YOUR REPORT, THAT'S BETWEEN US 41 AND GULF SHORE BOULEVARD. THIS SEGMENT IS CONSIDERED A CONSTRAINED FACILITY AND ACCORDINGLY IS EXEMPTED FROM LEVEL OF SERVICE REQUIREMENTS.

THE CONSTRAINED DESIGNATION REFLECTS BASICALLY A PHYSICAL AND POLICY BARRIER TO INCREASED STREET CAPACITY. A FIFTH AVENUE BEING IN THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT AND BEING WITHIN THE CITY'S CRA, HAS LIMITED ABILITIES TO EXPAND TO CREATE ADDITIONAL CAPACITY. AS YOU CAN NOTE, FOR COUNTY ROADS WITHIN THE CITY, AND AS IT WAS ALREADY RELAYED IN DOCTOR JORGE GOMEZ'S PRESENTATION THAT WE HAVE INCORPORATED IN INFORMATION FROM THE COUNTY'S, THEY HAVE ADOPTED, IT'S TYPICALLY LEVEL OF SERVICE D TO IN SOME AREAS LEVEL SERVICE E. I'LL GET INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT AS I OPEN UP, AND WE'LL I'LL SHOW YOU SOME OF THE EXHIBITS THAT WERE PROVIDED FOR YOU. THE LEVEL OF SERVICE E IS TYPICALLY WELL, YOU'LL SEE IN IN THE REPORT AND I'LL GET TO THAT IS IS A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN IDENTIFIED FOR STATE ROADS IN THE CITY'S CORPORATE LIMITS. THE CITY FOLLOWS THE STATE'S POLICIES FOR LEVEL, SERVICE LEVEL SERVICE STANDARDS FOR THESE ROADS ARE BASED ON THE RESPECTIVE POLICIES AND PROCEDURES FOR MEASURING THESE ROADS. THE 2025 LEVEL SERVICE REPORT FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES INDICATES THAT ALL COLLECTOR ROADS OPERATE AT A RELATIVELY HIGH LEVEL OF SERVICE, WITH NO ROADS EXCEEDING A VOLUME TO

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SO ESSENTIALLY A VOC RATIO, AND I CAN PULL UP THE INFORMATION. LET ME SEE HERE. WE SHOULD HAVE.

SORRY. GET OUT OF THIS. OH. THIS ONE. OKAY. SO I DROPPED IN A FEW OF THE THIS THIS ONE RIGHT HERE. SO YOU'LL SEE ON. THIS EXHIBIT RIGHT HERE YOU'LL SEE A V OVER C. VOLUME TO CAPACITY RATIO. AND THIS IS WHAT I'M REFERRING TO A RATIO OF VOC V OVER C RATIO OF LESS THAN ONE INDICATES THAT THE ROAD OR INTERSECTION HAS SUFFICIENT CAPACITY TO HANDLE THE CURRENT TRAFFIC VOLUME. AND IT'S IF IT'S GREATER THAN THE ROTOR HOUR GREATER THAN ONE.

IT'S IT'S ESSENTIALLY LEADING TO CONGESTION DELAYS AND POTENTIALLY UNSTABLE TRAFFIC FLOW. IF YOU EXCEED THAT ONE. THIS THIS REPORT RIGHT HERE PROVIDES OUR THIS IS OUR 2025 TWO WAY VOLUMES THAT WE PROVIDE. THIS INFORMATION IS ON OUR WEBSITE. THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE LAST TEN YEARS. WE HAVE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION ON OUR WEBSITE. WE HAVE FROM 1995.

WE REPORT THIS IS ON OUR WEBSITE. WE PROVIDE QUARTERLY REPORTS AND THESE PROVIDE THE QUARTERLY VOLUMES. YOU'LL SEE WE HAVE REPORTING MARCH, JUNE, SEPTEMBER AND DECEMBER. ON HERE WE HAVE THIS DATA GOING BACK ON OUR WEBSITE FROM 1995. I DO SAY PERSONALLY I HAVE A SPREADSHEET WHERE IT IT'S QUITE A LARGE SPREADSHEET TO SHOW THE DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN EACH YEAR TO KIND OF SHOW AND COMPARE THE VOLUMES ON EACH OF THESE ROADS, TO SEE HOW MUCH SOME OF THESE ROADS ARE IMPACTED. THERE'S SOME ROADS WHERE I THINK THAT THERE'S TRAFFIC FLOWS THAT PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE MAY BE A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT AND DETOURS. THEY MAY SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE IMPACT ON SOME OF OUR RESIDENTIAL ROADS IN DETOURING. THAT MAY BE HIGHER VOLUMES IN SPECIFIC TIMES OF THE YEAR, SPECIFIC YEARS. AND SO THERE'S SOME OF THOSE FLUCTUATIONS YOU'LL SEE AS YOU LOOK AT YEAR BY YEAR. WE HAVE HISTORICALLY COMPARED 2024 TO 2025 AS WE'VE GIVEN YOU YOU OUR REPORT TO JUST GIVE YOU AN ANNUAL COMPARISON FROM YEAR TO YEAR. BUT WE DO LOOK BACK. AS I LOOK BACK, I AGAIN, I HAVE A SPREADSHEET TO SHOW THOSE COMPARISONS AND ROADS BY ROADS. ONE THING THAT I WILL NOTE THOUGH, UNFORTUNATELY SINCE WE'VE DONE THIS REPORT, COMPLETED THIS REPORT, AS OF LAST YEAR, WE HAVE HAD SOME AND THIS IS IN YOUR REPORT. THERE'S BEEN SOME PROBLEMS WITH THE THE DATA, OUR TRAFFIC, THE FERN FIRMWARE FROM THE FOR THE COUNT STATIONS. THERE'S BEEN SOME SOME PROBLEMS WITH THOSE. WE'RE WORKING ON IT. BUT UNFORTUNATELY SOME OF THE DATA WAS NOT ABLE TO BE CAPTURED. WE ALSO HAVE HAD SOME ISSUES WITH VANDALISM. AND SO YES, AND THESE ARE THESE. AND WHAT I WILL SAY IS WE SOMEWHAT GET CHALLENGED ON THESE AND THE TRAFFIC COUNTS. THESE ARE ONLY OUT FOR A WEEK, A WEEK AT A TIME. WE DO HAVE COUNT STATIONS ALONG US 4041. AND I WILL SAY THAT SINCE LAST YEAR AND I HAD ALLUDED TO THIS IN THE PRESENTATION LAST YEAR, WE DID PURCHASE NEW TRAFFIC COUNT SYSTEMS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ARRIVING. I BELIEVE THE THE THE DATE IS ANYTIME I THINK THEY WERE JUST SHIPPED. I ASKED FOR AN UPDATE ON THAT. SO THOSE WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT WILL BE SMARTER SYSTEMS. WE'RE LOOKING TO PERHAPS AND WITH DOCTOR JORGE GOMEZ'S ON THE TEAM AND AND AND OUR CITY MANAGER, I THINK THEY'RE SUPPORTING US IN LOOKING AT ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THESE TRAFFIC COUNT STATIONS WHERE WE MAY BE ABLE TO

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NOW, THERE'S NOT THE PEAK SEASON, WHICH I USUALLY TRY TO PROVIDE YOU, BUT IT SHOULD PROVIDE A BETTER COMPARATIVE. THE WHAT YOU'LL SEE IN HERE FROM DECEMBER 20TH 24 TO 2025 ON OUR ARTERIALS IS ABOUT A 2% INCREASE, NOT A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE. THERE WAS, I BELIEVE, THE PRIOR YEAR YOU WELL, WE HAD A TEN YEAR SPAN. SO YOU SAW A LITTLE BIT GREATER CHANGE. THE COLLECTORS. WE ACTUALLY DID SEE A RELATIVELY GOOD JUMP AND SIGNIFICANT CHANGE BETWEEN 2024 TO 2025, WHICH IS ABOUT 8% FOR THE YEAR. SO THAT'S A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, SIGNIFICANT CHANGE.

WE WERE AT ABOUT JUST UNDER. WE WERE ABOUT FLAT THE THE THE DIFFERENTIAL FROM THE THE LAST UPDATE THAT YOU RECEIVED, WE SAW THAT ON THE THE SYSTEM. YOU'LL NOTICE THAT PARK SHORE AND GORDON DRIVE WERE TWO OF OUR ROADWAYS THAT WERE, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE VOLUME TO CAPACITY RATIO A LITTLE BIT ON THE HIGHER SIDE. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF OUR ROADS WE HAVE SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE YEARS. I'VE NOTED THAT PARK SHORE IN PARTICULAR HAS BEEN ONE THAT WE'VE NOTED HAS KIND OF TENDED TO TO BE ON THE, THE, THE HIGHER RANGE, THE, THE RATIO.

AND SO I JUST WANTED TO PROVIDE THAT. AND THEN I THINK PART OF WHAT, AGAIN, WHAT DOCTOR GEORGE HAD PROVIDED BEFORE, WE'RE SEEING SOME OF THESE, THESE IMPACTS FROM OUTSIDE. AND I THINK THAT IS A PORTION OF WHAT WE, WE ARE LOOKING AT. I WHILE I SAY THAT OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE, WE'RE MEETING THE STANDARDS WE ARE, AS YOU'LL SEE, AND WE BRING FORWARD WHAT COMES ABOUT FROM THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND THE REPORT FROM THAT. THEY ARE LOOKING. THE TEAM IS JOHNSON ENGINEERING. IT'S THE SAME TEAM THAT'S WORKING ON THE COMP PLAN. AND THEY I'VE HAD THEM ALSO LOOK AT OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE THEY ARE INTERESTED IN. AND IN THEIR LAST PRESENTATION, PART OF THE DATA COLLECTION AND COMPARATIVE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE PEAK DIRECTIONAL FLOW. WE CAPTURE TWO WAY FLOW. AND IT COULD BE IT'S JUST THOSE TOTAL VOLUMES OF THOSE TWO WAYS THEY'RE LOOKING AT IN THIS SHOULD MAKE SENSE. YOU'LL SEE ON SOME OF OUR ROADS WHERE THERE'S A GREATER PEAK IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION, AND THAT GREATER PEAK IS WHAT IS REALLY IMPACTING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK OF 10TH, FOR INSTANCE, YOU HAVE A GREATER PEAK, SAY, IN THE PM PEAK HOUR. THAT IS REALLY SUBSTANTIAL. BUT IF YOU CAPTURE THAT AND LOOK AT THAT FULL DATA DATA AND YOU YOU ADD IN BOTH DIRECTIONS, IT'S NOT YOU'RE NOT GOING TO REALLY IT'S IT'S GOING TO IT'S GOING TO KIND OF BALANCE OUT. BUT IF YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING AT THAT DIRECTIONAL DATA, THAT BIDIRECTIONAL DATA, YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT TO THE SYSTEM THAT IS GOING TO SHOW THAT THERE'S MORE OF A DEFICIENCY. AND I THINK THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT WE ARE GOING TO POTENTIALLY LOOK AT. AND SEEING IT AS WE LOOK AT THESE LEVEL OF SERVICES AND REALLY REALISTICALLY LOOKING AT THOSE TRAFFIC PATTERNS AND HOW

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THEY'RE PERHAPS USING THOSE AREAS AS CUT THROUGH OR THAT THE THAT THE INTERNAL GROWTH IS REALLY OUTPACING THE REGIONAL THROUGHPUT. BUT I THINK THAT WE'RE REALLY SEEING WE'RE WE HAVE THAT WE'RE WE'RE PREPARING FOR AND SEEING THAT THAT OUTSIDE GROWTH, THAT REGIONAL GROWTH AND THAT EXPECTATION IS, IS MOST LIKELY GOING TO IMPACT OUR FACILITIES IN THE FUTURE.

SO I AND AS WITH THIS REPORT, I DID RELAY. SO THIS RIGHT HERE IS YOUR TO RUN THROUGH. THIS IS THE DECEMBER COMPARISON. AT THE TOP IS THE ARTERIALS THE COUNTY AND STATE ROADS. THESE ARE THE THE TRAFFIC COUNT STATIONS THAT WE COMPARED. YOU'LL SEE THAT AGAIN THERE'S A NOMINAL GROWTH REALLY BETWEEN THE 2024 TO 2025 DATA. AND HERE AT THE BOTTOM YOU'LL SEE THE COLLECTOR STREETS IN COMPARISON WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR 8.1% INCREASE. LET ME ALSO NOW I WANT TO TAKE YOU TO THE REGIONAL GET OUT OF HERE. I WANT TO TAKE YOU TO THIS IS HAD AS WE HAD RELAYED THE.

INFORMATION THAT WAS PROVIDED IN YOUR REPORT. THIS IDENTIFIES AND I INCLUDED THIS IN. TO PRESENT AND PROVIDE REALLY THE IMPACTS OF WHAT WE SEE. THIS THIS WAS THE REPORT THAT WAS I WAS JUST APPROVED FROM COLLIER COUNTY ON THEIR. THIS RIGHT HERE. I HIGHLIGHTED THE GOLDEN GATE PARKWAY SEGMENT. AND THIS IS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. THIS IS FROM GOLDEN GATE PARKWAY.

I'M SORRY. GOODLETTE FRANK ROAD FROM GOLDEN GATE PARKWAY TO US 41. SO THIS IS REALLY THE SECTION WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. YOU'LL SEE THAT THEY HAVE THIS IDENTIFIED AS A LEVEL OF SERVICE F. AND SO THERE IS A DEFICIENCY THAT THEY'RE IDENTIFYING. I JUST WANT TO SHOW, YOU KNOW, THE THIS IS THE INFORMATION THAT IS PROVIDED FROM THEIR REPORT IDENTIFYING THEY ARE LOOKING TO MONITOR THIS THIS INFORMATION AND UNDERSTANDING THE GROWTH HERE.

YOU CAN SEE AS PART OF THE THE ORDER THAT THEY DO HAVE 41 THE SEGMENT. AND WITHIN THE CITY FROM GOLDEN GATE PARKWAY DOWN TO FOUR CORNERS SHOWING PERCENT CHANGE IN THE PEAK HOUR DIRECTIONAL VOLUME, THERE WAS AN INCREASE, A RATHER SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE, I GUESS, FROM THE YEAR THAT YOU CAN SEE IN THIS SECTION HERE. AND AGAIN, THE SEGMENT THAT I ALREADY MENTIONED AND IDENTIFIED AND HIGHLIGHTED ON GOODLETTE FRANK ROAD, THERE IS AN EXISTING DEFICIENCY THAT WAS IDENTIFIED. THEY UNDERSTAND THAT. I THINK THAT THE CHALLENGE IS, IS WHERE THESE ARE. WHEN WE HAVE THESE DEFICIENCIES AND HOW IT'S EVALUATED. THIS TYPICALLY YOU WOULD ADD LANE MILES, I THINK, WITH A RIGHT OF WAY AND CHALLENGES. THE NEXT STEP IS REALLY TO LOOK AT THE INFLUENCE OF SOME OF THESE INTERSECTIONS AND WHAT CAN BE ACCOMMODATED THROUGH THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS. ONE OF THE THE RECOMMENDATIONS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GOODLETTE FRANK ROAD IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S AREAS WHERE WE'RE STACKING OUT INTO THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE THROUGH THOROUGHFARE BECAUSE THERE ISN'T SUFFICIENT CAPACITY IN THE TURN LANES. AND THAT THAT GENERALLY HAPPENS AROUND THE COMMONS. YOU MAY NOTICE IF YOU DRIVE, DEPENDING ON THE TIME OF DAY. SO THERE'S CERTAIN THINGS THAT CAN BE DONE, IMPROVEMENTS FROM THAT, THAT STANDPOINT ON SOME OF THESE ARTERIAL ROADS THAT I JUST WANTED TO RELAY WITH THAT I WILL TURN IT OVER FOR ANY QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS ON THE REPORT. ANDREW, RUBBING YOUR HANDS TOGETHER. YES. AGAIN, IT'S NOT TRYING TO BE PEDANTIC,

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WE USE THE WORD PEAK PEAK HOURS. WE NEED TO STATE WHAT THEY ARE, WHAT DAYS, AND WHAT TIMES ARE PEAK. BECAUSE I ALSO HAVE WERE STATISTICALLY FROM FEDERAL STATE FROM FEDERAL PERSPECTIVE, STATE PERSPECTIVE AND LOCAL PERSPECTIVE. THEY HAVE TO USE PRESCRIBED METHODS TO AND WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO ANALYZE IT. BUT THOSE METHODS AND THOSE TIMES DON'T NECESSARILY MATCH WHAT'S HAPPENING LOCALLY ON FIFTH AVENUE ON A SATURDAY TYPE OF THING, BECAUSE THEY'RE OUTSIDE OF THE PROFESSIONAL STATISTICS THAT THE STATE, WHO WE NEED SOME FUNDING FOR WOULD WANT TO VIEW. BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN WE CANNOT USE THAT INCORPORATE THAT DATA TO PARTICIPATE WITH OUR DECISION MAKERS SO THEY UNDERSTAND IT. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE VARIOUS BOARDS OR COUNCIL SEATS AND THE PUBLIC, WE JUST NEED TO SHARE THE DATA. WE'VE GOT NOTHING TO HIDE, BUT IT LOOKS AS IF WE HAVE, BECAUSE WE'RE SPEAKING VERY OFTEN IN GOBBLEDYGOOK, WHICH ELIMINATES AND STOPS PEOPLE FROM BEING ABLE TO PARTICIPATE BECAUSE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE GOVERNMENT. A BIT, LIKE YOU SAID ABOUT ONE OF THE STATISTICS, IF YOU REACH ONE, THAT MEANS WE'RE MAXING OUT A CAPACITY AT ONE BELOW ONE MEANS WE HAVE SPARE IN THAT CAPACITY. IT'S A SIMPLE AN EXPLANATION TO PUT ON THE LEGEND, ALONG WITH THE LINKS TO WHERE YOU CAN GO AND GET THIS DATA. SHOULD SOMEBODY, SOMEBODY WANT TO GO AND LOOK AT IT. AGAIN, ALL THE REPORTS, WHEN YOU HAVE DATA, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE SOURCE ALMOST A BIBLIOGRAPHY OF WHERE IS THAT FROM, WHERE IS THE LINK TO IT? EXPLANATION OF WHAT'S OF WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY CONVEYING. AND THAT CAN BE INCORPORATED IN PROVING THE LEGEND. AND THEN ONE OF THE CHARTS WHICH IS. I'M NO DOUBT ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES ARE BRINGING UP, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE CHART THERE ON PAGE THREE OF THE TRANSPORT AND TRAFFIC CIRCULATION LEVEL OF STANDARDS, LEVEL OF SERVICE REPORT. AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE CHART, I SEE 400 MILLION.

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AND I'D BE REALLY HAPPY THAT I'M NOT READING THIS CORRECTLY. AND IF I'M NOT READING THIS CORRECTLY BECAUSE IT'S NOT BEING COMMUNICATED CORRECTLY, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE TRANSPORT AND TRAFFIC IS PART OF THE THE PACK THAT WE HAVE. AND LET'S HAVE PAGE THREE AND IT SHOWS ME FAR, YOU KNOW, THE, YOU KNOW, BE NICE IF IT WAS THE RIGHT WAY AROUND OVER AT THE END. SORRY. IT'S AT THE END. YEAH. PAGE THREE I KNOW IT SAYS PAGE. YES, YES. IT'S AT THE VERY END OF THE. IT'S ON THE WRONG. WRONG PAGE. THREE. HALFWAY THROUGH IT IS. YEAH.

BEFORE ATTACHMENT B THAT'S IT. RIGHT. BUT YOU KNOW TO TO HAVE ANY CHART THAT'S ACTUALLY AND AGAIN SHOWING IN IN GREEN WHICH I SEE AS A POSITIVE SIGN, I SEE RED AS A NEGATIVE SIGN. AND I DON'T SEE UNFUNDED COULD EVER BE A POSITIVE SIGN. AND THEN WHERE IS THE SOURCE OF FUNDING.

THERE MUST BE THERE'S NO WAY THAT THE THE COUNCIL OR THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE OVERLOOKED 400,000 MILLION, SORRY, 400 MILLION UNFUNDED PLANS GOING FORWARD. SO IT'S EITHER REINTERPRET THE CHART OR EXPLAIN WHERE THE FUNDING IS COMING FROM. UNFUNDED. SO LET'S JUST MAKE IT BIGGER AND I'LL FIND SOMETHING ELSE. NO, WE JUST NEED EXPLANATION BECAUSE I'M SURE THERE ARE. BUT WE NEED THE EXPLANATIONS DONE IN. SO THE EXPERTS WHO HAVE COLLECTED IT ARE COMMUNICATING IT AND WHERE THE SOURCES AND WHAT THAT MEANS, WHAT THAT MEANS FOR A DECISION MAKER, AND WHAT THAT MEANS FOR A PARTICIPANT AND MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC. OKAY.

OTHER QUESTIONS FROM COMMENTS FROM MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. I'D LIKE TO MAKE TWO COMMENTS. ONE, I'M GLAD YOU'RE LOOKING AT DIRECTIONAL FLOW AT THE YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST NOT ENOUGH OF AN EXPERT TO BE THINKING WE SHOULD LOOK FOR WHERE BEING TRAPPED, BUT FOR SOMEBODY TO TAKE A ROAD GOING AT 8:00 IN THE MORNING, GOING OUT OF NAPLES AND ADDING THAT TRAFFIC TO WHAT'S COMING INTO NAPLES IS DOESN'T GIVE YOU A PICTURE AT ALL AS TO WHAT THE HELL'S GOING ON. WE ALL KNOW THE HORROR STORIES OF ABOUT FROM TWO WEEKS AGO THROUGH THE END OF MARCH OF TRAFFIC IS JUST. IT'S THE BUTTON THAT'S GOING TO MAKE PEOPLE THE MOST CRAZY IN NAPLES, I THINK. AND WHEN WE LOOKED AT WHAT THE DOCTOR GEORGE HAD TO SAY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE COUNTY, WE HEAR IT, BUT IT HELPS US APPRECIATE WHERE THEY'RE GOING. THEY'RE COMING INTO NAPLES, FOLKS. AND, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO COORDINATE BETTER WITH THE COUNTY, I THINK, IN TRYING TO HELP THEM UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S THEY CAN'T MAKE DECISIONS THAT JUST STOP ALL TRAFFIC. I MEAN, WE COULD LOOK LIKE MIAMI GRIDLOCK WISE IF WE'RE NOT CAREFUL. SO I DO APPRECIATE THE IDENTIFICATION OF PEAK HOURS ISSUE. I THINK OUR PEAK HOURS ARE NOT NECESSARILY WHAT THE STATE STANDARD SAYS. AND I THINK TAKING THAT DIRECTIONAL APPROACH IS IMPORTANT. AND SINCE WE ALL HAVE PET PEEVES, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE CAN'T TAKE THE TURN FROM 41 GOING NORTH ON GOODLETTE AND MAKE IT HAVE TWO TURN LANES THERE, BECAUSE THAT TRAFFIC IS NOW STACKING UP PAST DAVIS. AND WHEN THOSE NEW HOTELS AND AND CONFERENCE CENTER COME IN, IT'LL BE STACKED UP ALL THE WAY TO BAYSHORE. BUT WE'RE GOING TO EMPLOY PARKING ATTENDANTS WHO ARE GOING TO. YEAH. FIND THEM FOR, FOR FOR STATIONARY VEHICLES. I MEAN, I THINK YOU'VE BEEN PUSHING US SINCE YOU'VE COME ON THIS BOARD TO TO TRY TO LOOK AT THE RIGHT QUESTIONS WHEN IT COMES TO TRAFFIC. AND I THINK WE'VE BEEN A LITTLE CARRIED AWAY HISTORICALLY WITH JUST BEING VERY MATHEMATICALLY ORIENTED AND NOT PRACTICALLY ORIENTED. DOCTOR GEORGE, THANK YOU. CHAIR. THE QUESTION OF $407 MILLION THAT WAS PRESENTED TO BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ON THEIR LAST CYCLE, AND THAT'S COMING FROM THEIR. E AND MASTER PLANNING PROCESS. AND SO WHAT THAT TELLS US IS THAT CITY OF NAPLES IN MUCH BETTER SHAPE THAN COLLIER COUNTY, UNINCORPORATED AREAS AS A WHOLE.

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NOW, WHAT OUR PLANNING AND TRANSPORTATION TEAM WITHIN THE CITY PRESENTING TO YOU OUR SHORTFALL TO BE DETERMINED. HOWEVER, OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE ALREADY AHEAD OF COLLIER COUNTY.

I HOPE THAT EXPLAINS A LITTLE BIT MORE WHAT YOU WERE INQUIRING ABOUT. NO, NOT AT ALL.

WHAT I WAS TRYING TO COMMUNICATE IS WITHOUT YOUR INPUT, WE'RE GETTING REPORTS THAT ARE NOT EXPLAINING WHAT YOU KNOW. THEY'RE NOT CONVEYING THAT. NOW, LET'S JUST SAY THERE'S A YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T PUT A THOUSAND PAGES ON A REPORT AND UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT WHAT YOU CAN DO IS YOU CAN GIVE THE LINKS TO IF SOMEBODY IF THERE'S A REPORT ON WATER TRANSPORT AND TRAFFIC, YOU ONLY NEED THREE PAGES, BUT WITH A LOT OF LINKS AND SOURCES. SO THE PERSON WHO'S INTERESTED AND WANTS TO GO DEEPER, THEY CAN DO THAT ON THAT CHART THAT I'M LOOKING FOR NOW I'M LOOKING AT THE ENTIRE PAGE. IT JUST SAYS APPENDIX A, IT DOES NOT IDENTIFY ITSELF, WHICH IS PAGE 15 ON THE ACTUAL THE FULL REPORT THAT YOU'VE DONE. IT DOESN'T STATE WHAT WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT. THE THE GRAPHIC DOES NOT CONVEY THAT THIS IS A COLLIER COUNTY LIGHT CHART. IT DOESN'T SAY WHETHER IT'S A NAPLES, WHAT IT DOESN'T GIVE THE DESCRIPTION. AND WHAT I'M SAYING IS ALL THE WORK AND EFFORT HAS BEEN DONE. WE JUST NEED TO TITLE AND MAKE IT & CLEARER SO DIFFERENT PARTICIPANTS CAN PARTICIPATE DEPENDING ON THEIR LEVEL OF SKILL. POINT IS WELL TAKEN, AND I THINK FOR THE COLLIER COUNTY THERE IS MUCH MORE BACKUP INFORMATION TO THE PAGE YOU HAVE. THIS IS MORE FIRST TIME OUR WAY OF BRINGING VISIBILITY OF IN IN UNINCORPORATED AREAS. CHALLENGES THAT WE'RE FACING.

SO BUT YOUR YOUR POINTS ARE WELL TAKEN. AND FOR COLLIER COUNTY BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, THEIR PACKAGE IS ABOUT FIVE TIMES THICKER THAN WHAT YOU HAVE. SO IF THEY WANT TO DEEP DIVE AS POLICYMAKERS, THAT INFORMATION IS PROVIDED BY THE COUNTY STAFF. TO THEM. WHAT WE HAVE, WHAT WE HAVE PROVIDED TO YOU JUST TO ANSWER 80% OF THE QUESTIONS REMAINING, 20% OF THE QUESTIONS ARE THE EXHIBITS THAT WE DIDN'T PROVIDE FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS WORKSHOP, BECAUSE IT'S OUR FIRST TIME WE'RE INTRODUCING HERE IS THE 80% WHAT YOU'RE UP TO ON WITHIN UNINCORPORATED AREAS. BUT IF YOU WANT TO DEEP DIVE THAT 20% ANSWERS YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AS A SCIENTIST WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO ASK OR BRING THAT TO YOU AND SEND IT TO YOU AND GET YOUR FEEDBACK FROM A FROM A CITY. LOSS STANDPOINT. I THINK THAT WE HAVE APPROPRIATE LEVEL OF PRESENTATION, COLOR CODED ON A POLICY MAKING STANDPOINT, AND AS WELL AS OUR AUDIENCE IS PUBLIC AND OUR AUDIENCE IS DIVERSE AND INTELLECTUALLY DIVERSE. PLANNING BOARD HERE.

SO WE WILL DO BETTER AND BETTER TO MAKE SURE THAT OUR PRESENTATION IS GOING TO BE

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I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. YEAH. THANK YOU SIR. AND I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK THAT WE WILL POINT TAKEN. I THINK PART OF THE CONFUSION WHEN I LOOKED AT THIS, AND I'VE ALREADY RELAYED TO AND SPOKE TO ERICA, BUT WHEN THIS INFORMATION WAS PROVIDED, WE HAD I HAD IT IN FULL OR SEPARATE ATTACHMENTS. THESE ATTACHMENTS WERE COMBINED.

THEY WERE TITLED. AND I THINK WHAT WE'LL DO IS EITHER HAVE THEM AS SEPARATE ATTACHMENTS WITH THE TITLE OF THE COUNTY. SO THERE'S NO CONFUSION. I COULD UNDERSTAND YOUR CONFUSION IN LOOKING THROUGH THE ATTACHMENT, BUT WE CAN DO THAT AS WELL AS I CAN EVEN LABEL THE TOP OF THEM. AND JUST ON EACH PAGE TO HAVE A TITLE STATING COLLIER COUNTY. SO THERE'S NO, NO CONFUSION ON ON ANYONE'S PART. OKAY. I JUST LIKE TO REMIND EVERYBODY, AS I'M SITTING HERE, THAT OUR JOB IS TO ACCEPT THIS THING, NOT TO REWRITE IT. SO BUT I THINK THE QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN COMMENTS HAVE BEEN HELPFUL. COMMENT. I JUST HAVE QUESTIONS. YOU MENTIONED THE TWO WAY VERSUS ONE WAY. DO THE MONITORS USE TODAY OR JUST ONE WAY? I MEAN, DON'T THEY HAVE THE WAY TO LOOK AT GOING TWO WAY MONITORING OR NOT. IT NO. AND I'LL, I'LL LET OUR EXPERT HERE THAT OKAY. THAT PULLS IN THE DATA. BUT NO CURRENTLY THEY'RE NOT. IT'S NOT AS SMART AS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. OKAY. ARE YOU DOING CHAIR PAB MEMBERS. MY NAME IS DAVE RIVERA. I AM THE SUPERINTENDENT FOR TRAFFIC OPERATIONS. I WANTED TO I CAME HERE BECAUSE I HEARD A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS BEING ASKED REGARDING THE COUNTERS AND STUFF. OUR COUNTERS THAT WE HAVE NOW. THEY WERE TOP OF THE LINE AT THE TIME WHEN WE GOT THEM. AND THEY'RE WE USE THEM BECAUSE WE USE TRAFFIC LOOPS VERSUS ROAD TUBES BECAUSE WE COLLECT BETTER DATA. HOWEVER, LIKE ALLISON MENTIONED, A LOT OF OUR COUNTERS BECAUSE THEY'RE 15 PLUS YEARS OLD, THE COMPANY THAT WE BOUGHT THEM FROM ORIGINALLY WERE LOCAL TAMPA.

GREAT SERVICE. HOWEVER, THEY'VE BEEN SOLD AND WE'RE HAVING DIFFICULTY ON HAVING THEM REPAIRED, SO WE'RE DOWN QUITE A BIT OF THEM. SO THE NEW COUNTERS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SHIPPED, AS OF TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING THEM ON US 41. THE NEW ONES, LIKE SHE MENTIONED, THEY'RE AI BASED. THEY WILL PROVIDE US COUNTS. THEY WILL PROVIDE US SPEED.

THEY WILL PROVIDE US THE CLASSIFICATION. SO WE'LL KNOW IF IT'S A TRUCK, A CAR, A MOTORCYCLE, A BUS. SO THAT'LL BE NEW DATA THAT WE WILL START GATHERING. RIGHT NOW. I HAVE TO SEND MY GUYS OUT TO EVERY COUNT STATION TO DOWNLOAD THE DATA TO BRING IT BACK. THESE NEW ONES ARE CLOUD BASED. THEY'LL JUST REPORT BACK TO US DIRECT. WE'RE HOPING TO GET MORE SO WE CAN HAVE THEM OUT ALL THE TIME. BUT AND AS FAR AS I'VE HEARD, PEAK HOURS, A LOT OF ENGINEERS USE PEAK HOURS A CERTAIN TIME OF DAY. WE BASE IT OFF WHAT THE DATA PROVIDES US. ALL ROADS DON'T HAVE THE SAME PEAK HOURS, RIGHT? SOME HAVE 10 TO 11:00 DURING THE DAY IS THE AM PEAK HOURS. SOME MAY HAVE 1 TO 2 IS THE PM PEAK HOUR. SO I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT PEAK HOURS, THEY'RE NOT ALL THE SAME, BUT A LOT OF ENGINEERS WILL USE A GENERIC TIME SAYING THIS IS A CERTAIN TIME OF PEAK AND AND PMP. CAN I JUST JUMP JUMP IN THERE? BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN A FRUSTRATION IN THE PAST THAT WE WERE GIVEN TRAFFIC STUDIES AND THEY WERE ALWAYS NO, NO PROBLEM.

AND IT WAS AM PEAK MONDAY TO FRIDAY I THINK WAS EIGHT TILL TEN AND THE EVENING PEAK WAS THREE FOUR, SORRY, 4 TO 6, WHICH, AS MY ESTEEMED COLLEAGUE HAS SAID, IT DOES NOT IS NOT NAPLES. IT HAS THE PEAK HOURS ON THEM SHEETS, AND IT IS WHAT IT'S TELLING US. IT'S THAT AMOUNT DURING THE PEAK HOUR. WHAT IT'S NOT PROVIDING YOU IS WHAT TIME OF DAY IT'S HAPPENING.

MAYBE WE CAN LOOK INTO PUTTING THAT ONTO THE SPREADSHEET AND PROVIDING YOU THAT. BUT IT'S IT MAY SAY, YOU KNOW, USUALLY IT'S 10% OF WHAT THE VOLUME IS. SO IF WE HAVE 5000 CARS PER DAY, YOU MAY GET 500 PEAK HOUR HERE AND 500 PEAK HOUR THERE. SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN I JUST STEP IN ON THAT POINT? AND THE REASON I'M SORRY TO TO IS BECAUSE IT'S NOT A CRITIQUE OF

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BUT A PARTICIPANT WILL HAVE A REPORT GENERATED BY A TRAFFIC CONSULTANT, AND THEY WILL IDENTIFY AND PRESENT THE PEAK HOURS, SAY THAT THERE'S ONLY THREE CARS PER HOUR, MINUTE, WHATEVER IT IS. BUT THEY VERY OFTEN DON'T STATE THAT THAT PEAK HOURS BETWEEN 2 AND 3 IN THE AFTERNOON BECAUSE THEY YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN KNOWN TO PROBLEM WELL. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE FOLLOWING THE STANDARDS. BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. WE HEAR YOU. IT'S IT'S IN THE WORKS, THE TRAFFIC STUDY. AND I THINK WITH SOME OF THIS SMART DATA AS WELL, THEY'RE FINDING DIFFERENT PEAKS CLEARLY. AND IT DOES IT DOES VARY DEPENDING ON THE LOCATION. BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO REFINE AS WE WORK THROUGH THE TRAFFIC STUDY REQUIREMENTS AND LOOKING AHEAD FOR WHEN THEY DO THESE REPORTS, AND HOW WE CAN MAKE THOSE A LITTLE BIT TOUGHER AND MORE REALISTIC. AND PART OF THAT IS, IS PART OF THE TIME, THE PEAK HOUR PART OF IT IS PART OF THE THE DATA FOR THAT I MENTIONED, AS FAR AS THE DIRECTIONAL DATA, THAT'S REALLY GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THOSE THOSE OUTPUTS THAT YOU'RE RECEIVING FROM THESE REPORTS. SO ALLISON, JUST CONFIRMING WHAT I HEAR YOU SAYING, JUST SO MAYBE WE CAN SHORTEN THIS UP A LITTLE BIT. THAT AND WHAT I HEAR ARE THE PLANNING BOARD SAYING THE PLANNING BOARD WOULD LIKE SOME RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN WHAT YOU SEE AS PEAK HOURS AND WHEN YOU REVIEW A TRAFFIC IMPLICATION THAT SOMEBODY GIVES YOU A TRAFFIC REPORT AND THEY'RE PICKING 2 TO 5 IN THE AFTERNOON IS PEAK, THAT SHOULD BE WHEN THAT SHOULD AGREE WITH YOUR NUMBERS AS TO WHEN THE PEAK IS. SO WHEN WE GET THE REPORT, WE IT'S A TRUE PEAK FOR THAT ROAD AND NOT JUST AN ARBITRARY 5 TO 6 TIME PERIOD. SO IT'S A COOPERATIVE EFFORT ON YOUR PART. YOU'VE GOT TO EDUCATE OUR APPLICANTS BECAUSE THEY DON'T.

THEY TAKE THE SIMPLE WAY OUT. THEY JUST LOOK AT A MATHEMATICAL CHART AND SAYING, WELL, PEAK HOURS OF, OF OF TRAFFIC IN SOUTHWEST FLORIDA IS BETWEEN 3 AND 6. THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE TRUE. YOUR STUDIES MAY SHOW IT THAT IT'S IT'S 2 TO 4 OR SOMETHING. BUT WE'D LIKE MORE BETTER. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE THING, JUST PLEASE KEEP IN MIND WHAT YOUR INFORMATION IS TELLING YOU AND SEND IT BACK FOR CORRECTION IF IT DOESN'T MATCH. ISN'T THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING, FOLKS? YES. WELL, AND PART OF THAT IS WE ARE FOLLOWING BECAUSE THERE'S IT STANDARDS AND THE WAY THAT IT IS DEFINED RIGHT NOW IN OUR OUR REQUIREMENTS IN THE CODE IS TO FOLLOW THOSE IT STANDARDS. BUT AS WE BUILD INTO THIS AND WE HAVE THE NEWER REQUIREMENTS THAT YOU'LL SEE LANGUAGE COMING FORWARD TO YOU IN THE FUTURE THAT'S GOING TO HELP. WE'RE GOING TO BE REQUESTING THAT. SO I HEAR YOU I HEAR OKAY. WE'RE I THINK WE'RE ON THE I'M TRYING TO SAY I THINK WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE. OKAY. WE'RE GETTING THERE. I'M JUST AT THIS POINT I'M FOLLOWING WHAT'S IN OUR CURRENT REQUIREMENTS. YOUR LAST COMMENTS, YOU HAVE A WAY DOWN THERE. ALSO, YOU HAVE TO EVENT CENTRIC. YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT THE CAPACITY OF THE ROAD IS.

LOOK AT WHEN WE HAVE EVENTS AND WHERE THE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM. AND THERE'S A LOT OF THEM.

IT'S NOT AS MANY IN THE SUMMER, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THEM AND THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY TO GET IN.

SO THAT WOULD TELL YOU WHAT THE PEAK IS. AND THEY'RE NOT NOT THE SAME TIMES AS DOING REGULAR BUSINESS. ALSO THAT WHAT ANDREW IS, THIS IS WHERE PEOPLE IN THEIR PERCEPTION TRY TO GET TO NAPLES, OR RESIDENTS TRY TO DEAL WITH TRAFFIC IN NAPLES. THAT MAY BE STAY HOME OR GO SOMEWHERE OUT OF TOWN, THAT THAT'S THE PARTICIPATION PART OF WHAT THE ACTUAL REALITY IS THAT THE WHAT THE PEOPLE REALLY SAY, OKAY, WE'RE THE USERS. HOW DOES THAT AFFECT US WITH THE DATA? SO I JUST WANT TO MENTION THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD COMMENT BILL. LAST COMMENT. YEAH. SO SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT RIGHT NOW WE JUST HAVE ONE WAY MONITORING. BUT WITH THESE NEW THINGS THEY'LL HAVE BOTH WAY. NO THE THE THE COUNTERS WE HAVE NOW LIKE I SAID THEY WERE ADVANCED FOR THEIR TIME AND THEIR LOOPS. SO WE HAVE BIDIRECTIONAL I MEAN IT THEY CAN COUNT UP TO EIGHT

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THE ANSWER IS YES. DIRECTIONS DON'T NEED ANY MORE ANSWERS. YES IT DOES BOTH WAYS. YOU JUST MERGE THEM TOGETHER OKAY. SO THAT'S WHERE I SEE YOU'RE LOOKING. AND THERE'S SOME CONFUSION. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IN COMPARISON TO SECOND QUESTION WAS, YOU SHOWED IN ONE OF YOUR REPORTS HERE THAT THE COLLECTOR COLLECTOR THINGS THIS THIS YEAR BETWEEN 2024 TO 25 INCREASED BY 8%. AND NEXT LETTER SAYS THE NEXT SENTENCE SAYS THAT THE TEN YEAR ANALYSIS HAD ONLY AN INCREASE OF 0.05%. SO THAT HOW HOW DOES THAT WHAT HAPPENED THERE? I GUESS SO WHEN WE LOOKED AT IT OVER WHEN YOUR LAST REPORT, YOU'LL YOU'VE SEEN THAT THERE WAS A PRETTY FLAT CHANGE OVER THAT TIME PERIOD FROM IN YOUR IN THE PRIOR REPORT. SO I'M SAYING IN COMPARISON TO YOUR PRIOR REPORT WHERE YOU ONLY SAW ABOUT A 0%, WE HAD A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL INCREASE OVER THIS PAST YEAR AND JUST ONE YEAR DATA. YES.

OKAY. SO SO OBVIOUSLY I DID LOOK AT YOUR REPORT. YOU DO HAVE ALL THE COUNTS. LOOK AT THE DETAIL. BUT THE PDFS THEY GO FOR YEAR BY YEAR. SO IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU COULD GO THROUGH AND LOOK AT THESE THINGS AND OVER. BECAUSE WHAT WAS SURPRISING TO ME IS THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT, OH, THIS IS ONLY A 2% A YEAR, BUT THEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF YOUR REPORTS WHERE YOU SHOWED IT'S A TEN YEAR, YOU'RE ABOUT 20% INCREASE OVER A TEN YEAR, WHICH IS A HUGE NUMBER AS FAR AS HOW THE VOLUME GOES UP. SO IT JUST I WAS JUST SURPRISED ABOUT THAT.

THE LAST QUESTION I HAVE IS THAT WHEN I LOOK AT SOME OF THESE REPORTS AND IT SAYS LIKE THIRD AVENUE SOUTH, WHERE AND THIRD AVENUE SOUTH, THIS IS ON THE EAST SIDE, THE WEST SIDE, THIRD AVENUE SOUTH, IT'S ON THE WEST SIDE BETWEEN US 41 OKAY. AND EIGHTH STREET. OKAY. OKAY.

JUST SO OKAY, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A MAP THAT SHOWS ALL OUR COUNT STATIONS AND IT IDENTIFIES WITH THE TRAFFIC. IF YOU GO TO LOOK AT OUR OKAY GUYS, WE'RE GOING TO STOP BEING TRAFFIC ENGINEERS I'M GOING TO MOVE THIS ALONG. I THINK IT'S TIME TO HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE REPORT AS GIVEN US. I THINK THE HOPEFULLY I KNOW THE STAFF HAS HEARD WHAT WE'VE HAD TO SAY AND HOPE THE CITY COUNCIL WILL. MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION. SO ON HOW WE VOTE. SO WE VOTE TO ACCEPT THE WHOLE REPORT OR DO WE VOTE TO ACCEPT ITEM BY ITEM BY ITEM? BECAUSE MY CHALLENGE IS STORMWATER, AS DOCTOR GEORGE, I HOPE YOU'RE OKAY WITH DOCTOR GEORGE IS DEFICIENT. I THINK THE REPORTING IS DEFICIENT. OR WE ARE REPORTING TO YOU THAT IT IS DEFICIENT. LEVEL OF SERVICE IS INSUFFICIENT. YES. AND THAT'S ACKNOWLEDGED IN THE REPORT. YES.

AND SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS ACCEPTING A REPORT THAT SHOWS THAT THIS IS DEFICIENT. THANK

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YEAH I DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE REPORT. I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION TO ACCEPT THE REPORT. SECOND CLARIFICATION. WHICH REPORT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TRAFFIC ONLY OR NO? BOTH. ALL OF THEM. THE WHOLE REPORT. 2 OR 3 OF THEM. WE WE WE RECEIVED A AN LOSS FOR PUBLIC EDUCATION. IS THAT NOT IN OUR PURVIEW? THAT'S NOT IN OUR PURVIEW. OKAY.

AND THEN LAST QUESTION I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THIS. BUT THE OTHER REPORT IS ALSO NOT IN OUR PURVIEW. THE COMMUNITY SERVICES. CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. AND SO WE ARE VOTING NOW ABOUT WHETHER TO ACCEPT THE POTABLE WATER AND OTHER WATER AND THE TRAFFIC. CORRECT? CORRECT. OKAY. GOOD. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I KNEW WHAT WE WERE. WE'RE TALKING THERE'S BEEN A MOTION AND A SECOND CALL THE ROLL. WHO'S THE SECONDER? KEPLER. KEPLER. OKAY. MEMBER.

FOWLER. ACCEPT. MEMBER. MAYOR. NO. ALTERNATE MEMBER. PETER. YES. VICE CHAIR. KEPLER.

APPROVE. MEMBER. BUREAU. APPROVED. MEMBER. CHRIS. YES. CHAIR. COUGHLIN. YES. THANK YOU.

OKAY. DO WE NEED TO TAKE A BREAK OR CAN WE GO TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? WE TAKE A BREAK. OKAY. TEN MINUTE BREAK. IT'S WHAT, 42? SO TEN O

[8.A) Update on Naples 2045, the Elective Changes to the City of Naples Comprehensive Plan. ]

JUST NOT NOT A HUGE UPDATE FOR YOU TODAY, BUT I DID PROVIDE A MEMO IN YOUR PACKET. AS YOU KNOW, LAST WE SPOKE ON THE COMP PLAN WAS THE JANUARY 20TH JOINT MEETING WITH THE PAB AND CITY COUNCIL. SO THE INPUT FROM THAT MEETING WAS UTILIZED BY THE CONSULTANT THEY'RE WORKING THROUGH. WE'RE IN PHASE THREE NOW, WHICH IS THE DRAFTING OF THE ACTUAL ELEMENTS OF THE COMP PLAN. SO TAKING THE INPUT BOTH FROM THE FIRST ROUND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS, WHICH HAPPENED IN NOVEMBER, THEY TOOK THAT INPUT PLUS THE INPUT RECEIVED FROM THE BOARD HERE AND CITY COUNCIL AT THE JOINT MEETING. THEY'RE DRAFTING THOSE ELEMENTS. HOWEVER, THE MAIN THING I WANTED TO BRING UP TODAY IS ONE, YOUR NEXT OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH THE CONSULTANTS IS GOING TO BE AT THE MARCH PAB MEETING. SO THEY WILL BE HERE DURING THE REGULAR MEETING TO DISCUSS THE ACTUAL ELEMENTS, THE DRAFTS OF THE ELEMENTS. DON'T MISS THAT MEETING. THAT WILL BE OBVIOUSLY A PUBLICLY NOTICED MEETING, SO PUBLIC WILL BE WELCOME TO ATTEND, PROVIDE THEIR INPUT. BUT PERHAPS EVEN MORE EXCITING IS TOMORROW WILL BE THE SECOND ROUND OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS. SO YOU HAVE TWO MEETINGS AT 10 A.M. AT THE NAPLES UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST, AND THEN ALSO AT 4 P.M. OVER HERE AT THE NORRIS CENTER.

THESE ARE GOING TO BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT SETUP FROM THE LAST LAST MEETINGS. THESE ARE MORE OF AN OPEN HOUSE SETUP, MORE INTERACTIVE. SO IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SIT DOWN AND RECEIVE A PRESENTATION. IT'S GOING TO BE THERE WILL BE DIFFERENT STATIONS SET UP THROUGHOUT THE ROOM REALLY KIND OF TARGETING CERTAIN FEEDBACK FROM THE RESIDENTS. SO IT'S A STOP BY ANYTIME BETWEEN THERE'S AN HOUR AND A HALF WINDOW, SO 10 TO 1130 AND THEN 4 TO 530. SO IT'S NOT IF YOU'RE NOT THERE AT RIGHT AT TEN WHEN IT STARTS OR RIGHT AT FOUR, THAT'S FINE.

COME ANYTIME WITHIN THAT WINDOW. IT'S KIND OF AT YOUR OWN PACE. SO YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, GET AS INVOLVED IN EACH OF THOSE STATIONS AS YOU'D LIKE. TALK TO THE CONSULTANTS. ALSO ON OUR WEBSITE IS THE SECOND ROUND OF THE SURVEY IS UP. IT'S IT HAS BEEN LIVE. IT WILL BE LIVE I BELIEVE UNTIL THE 19TH OF FEBRUARY. PLEASE FILL OUT THE SURVEY AGAIN. THE FEEDBACK THAT WAS RECEIVED BOTH AT THE MEETING ON THE 20TH AND FROM THE INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS WHO PROVIDED THEIR FEEDBACK THAT WAS INCORPORATED INTO THAT SURVEY, FORMATTING THE SURVEY QUESTIONS. SO PLEASE TAKE THE SURVEY. TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS, SEE IF YOU CAN GET AS MANY PEOPLE TO TAKE THAT QUESTIONNAIRE AS POSSIBLE. WE DID ATTEND THE CONSULTANT AND MYSELF. WE ATTENDED THE JANUARY 2026 PRESIDENTS COUNCIL MEETING TO ALSO, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT THE PRESIDENTS WERE AWARE AND TRY TO GET THAT OUT TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE. I DID INCLUDE IN YOUR IT'S A LOT OF INFORMATION, SO I WON'T GO OVER IT ALL RIGHT NOW. BUT I DID INCLUDE IN YOUR MEMO JUST SOME HIGHLIGHTS ON HOW WE'VE BEEN COMMUNICATING WITH THE RESIDENTS, TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE PARTICIPATION IN THIS PLAN. SO YOU'LL SEE BOTH THE ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS, PRINT COMMUNICATIONS. OBVIOUSLY WE STILL WANT TO DIRECT EVERYONE TO THE WEBSITE. THE WEBSITE OFFERS YOU THE ABILITY TO REGISTER, WHICH WILL PUT YOU ON THE EMAIL BLAST LIST. IT ALLOWS YOU TO PROVIDE COMMENTS IF YOU'RE UNABLE TO MAKE A MEETING, OR IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU WANT TO LET THE CONSULTANT KNOW OUTSIDE OF THAT QUESTIONNAIRE. THERE'S JUST AN OPEN COMMENTS FORM WHERE YOU CAN PROVIDE A COMMENT, AND THEN

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IT'S JUST WALK AROUND AND OBSERVE. ANY QUESTIONS. YES. GO AHEAD. BESIDES THE QR CODES, YOU KNOW AND SAY THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE A LITTLE OLDER AND YOU MENTIONED IT, BUT ANYBODY WITH A COMPUTER CAN GET ON THE WEBSITE AND FIND THE THE QUESTIONNAIRE. YES, I BELIEVE I PUT A LINK IN YOUR IN THE AGENDA MEMORANDUM LINK TO THE WEBSITE. BUT YES, THAT THAT QUESTIONNAIRE IS AVAILABLE IN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS ON THAT WEBSITE. THERE'S ALSO ON OUR CITY WEBSITE, IF YOU'RE MORE FAMILIAR WITH JUST THE CITY WEBSITE, THE NAPLES GOV.

COM, THERE'S A TICKER ACROSS THE TOP. THERE'S ALSO A SPECIAL KIND OF SPOT ON OUR WEBSITE 2040 NAPLES 2045. IT'S IT'S ALL OVER OUR WEBSITE, WHICH ALSO TAKE YOU TO THAT WEBSITE, WHICH WILL PROVIDE YOU AS MANY OPPORTUNITIES TO TAKE THAT SURVEY AS WE COULD GET OUT THERE. WE HAVE A QUESTION. YEAH A FEW SORRY. CAN YOU LET US KNOW? GREG, MIKE'S GONE OFF.

COULD YOU PLEASE LET US KNOW THE SCHEDULE FOR THE DISTRIBUTION OF THE THE DRAFTS THAT WILL BE PREPARED BY THE CONSULTANTS AND IN PARTICULAR, WHEN WE WILL SEE AS THE DRAFTS DRAFT FOR US TO REVIEW. SO IT'S GOING TO I BELIEVE ALL ALL AT THE SAME TIME. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, ONE ELEMENT, TWO ELEMENTS. IT'S GOING TO BE ONE LARGE PRESENTATION AT NEXT MONTHS, WHICH IS WHAT THE MARCH 11TH PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD MEETING. SO WE'LL PRESENT ALL OF THE DRAFTS, THE DRAFTS OF ALL OF THE ELEMENTS AT THAT MEETING. THE LATEST WOULD BE THAT IT WOULD BE PUBLISHED WITH THE AGENDA. I'D HAVE TO CHECK WITH THE CONSULTANT. I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE DELIVERY DATE IS, BUT OBVIOUSLY WE PUBLISH THE AGENDA A WEEK BEFORE THE MEETING. THAT WOULD BE THE THE LATEST. YOU'D GET IT. OH, TERRIFIC. SO WE WILL ACTUALLY SEE A DRAFT BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING. ABSOLUTELY. YES. AND AT THE SAME TIME THAT YOU'LL SEE THE DRAFT OR HOPEFULLY I'LL GET IT SOONER BECAUSE I HAVE TO PUT THIS ALL TOGETHER. OKAY. SO.

WELL, GOOD. WELL THAT'S GOOD NEWS. THANK YOU. AND AND YOU ALREADY SAID THAT WE'LL RECEIVE A COMPREHENSIVE PRESENTATION FROM THE CONSULTANTS AT THAT THEY WILL BE HERE TO PRESENT THEIR DRAFTS TO YOU AND ALSO TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THOSE DRAFTS. WE WILL ALSO HAVE OUR EXPERTS FROM THE CITY AS WELL IN EACH OF THOSE DISCIPLINES. GREAT. AND I SUPPOSE THE CHAIR WON'T BE SURPRISED TO KNOW THAT I'VE GOT A LITTLE A FEW COMMENTS ABOUT THE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND MAY I'D LIKE TO JUST PASS THESE DOWN. THIS SHOULD BE ENOUGH COPIES OF WHAT I PROVIDED TO THAT. SHE'S ALREADY GOT I HAVE ONE. YEAH. THANK YOU. I SENT THIS TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. I DON'T KNOW, JUST A FEW DAYS AGO. AND AND ASKED ERICA WHETHER IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE TO PROVIDE IT TO THE BOARD IN ADVANCE. IT'S NOT. SO I'M DOING IT NOW, AND THERE'S NO REASON FOR YOU TO NECESSARILY GO THROUGH THIS RIGHT NOW. BUT I JUST WANTED TO SAY KIND OF INTRODUCE THE ELEMENTS THAT I, THAT I THOUGHT ABOUT SUGGESTING IN THIS DOCUMENT. SO I'M GOING TO START OFF BY SAYING THAT I REVIEWED VARIOUS SECTIONS OR ENTIRE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS FROM THE TOWN OF PALM BEACH, FROM PALM COAST TO COAST, PUNTA GORDA, NORTHPORT, ETC. SO I'VE LOOKED AT A NUMBER OF COMPREHENSIVE PLANS TO GET AN IDEA OF WHAT THE CURRENT, YOU KNOW, LEVEL OF DETAIL AND STATE OF THEM ARE. AND ALL OF THOSE ONES THAT I JUST MENTIONED HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE LAST 5 TO 7 YEARS. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I GOT SOME, SOME NEW ONES. I'M SURE THAT YOU'VE ALL DONE YOUR OWN RESEARCH AND EVERYTHING, BUT I WANTED TO POINT YOU TO THE TOWN OF PALM BEACH PLAN IN PARTICULAR, WHICH I THINK IS VERY, VERY WELL DONE. AND SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT COME TO ME ARE SHAMELESSLY BORROWED FROM THE PALM BEACH PLAN THAT I SAW. SO THE THING THAT I SAW IN THAT. BUT BUT IN OTHER PLANS AS WELL, I SAW A ROBUST INTRODUCTORY MATERIAL WITH AN INTRODUCTORY SECTION, A SECTION THAT IS DESCRIBED IN MY NOTES HERE. I WON'T GO INTO DETAIL ABOUT THAT HERE, BUT THEY ALSO HAD A ROBUST DATA AND ANALYSIS SECTION TO BEGIN EACH ELEMENT, WHICH IS SPECTACULAR, I THINK, BECAUSE WHAT IT DOES IS IT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF THE HISTORY BEHIND THAT ELEMENT IN

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BUT BUT I REALLY THINK THAT THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY HERE. AND BY THE WAY, PLEASE, IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT ALREADY, LOOK AT THAT TOWN OF PALM BEACH PLAN AND YOU'LL SEE THE EXCELLENCE OF IT. DATA AND ANALYSIS, MAPS, PICTURES OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES AND SO FORTH THAT CAN REALLY, I THINK, DELIVER THE POINT THAT WE WANT TO MAKE ON BEHALF OF THE CITIZENS OF NAPLES. THE END. THANK YOU. IT LOOKS LIKE YOU DID A LOT OF HARD WORK THERE, SO I APPRECIATE IT. ANY OTHER BRIEF COMMENT? I, I THINK, I THINK I AGREE THERE IS WOVEN IN THERE SHOULD BE A SPIRIT TO THE LANGUAGE THAT HAS TO DO WITH IS IT MAYBE NOT. A DEVELOPMENT SHOULD BE IMPROVED IMPROVEMENT AND BASICALLY ENJOYMENT OF THE RESIDENTS AS IT IS. WHAT'S THE ADVANTAGE? CAN THE PEOPLE ACTUALLY, EXCEPT FOR A BUILDER JUST SAYING, OH, I BUILT THIS BUILDING, BUT DOES IT REALLY IMPROVE THE SITUATION AND AND CAN THE RESIDENTS REALLY ENJOY IT EXCEPT FOR JUST TO ADMIRE WHAT THEY BUILT? AND I THINK THAT THAT, THAT THAT TIGHTENING OR THAT ALL THAT HAS LIKE LIKE THE CONSTITUTION, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN INTERPRET IT, BUT IT SHOULD BE A SPIRIT THAT CIVIC MINDED AND RESIDENT FOCUSED. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? MR. YEAH, THIS IS ACTUALLY JUST MORE OF A PROCEDURAL ONE, AND I KNOW IT COULD BE FRUSTRATING WHEN THE SUNSHINE LAW COMES INTO PLAY. AND, YOU KNOW, I KNOW IT WOULD HAVE BEEN GREAT IF WE COULD HAVE CIRCULATED MR. FOWLER'S COMMENTS TO YOU ALL AHEAD OF TIME. IT WOULD HAVE FACILITATED A BETTER DISCUSSION. BUT IN FACT, THE SUNSHINE LAW WAS ENACTED DECADES AGO, AND SO ERICA CANNOT BE A CONDUIT TO HAVE A CONVERSATION. WHAT YOU CAN CIRCULATE IF IF YOU COME

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ON THAT POINT, I MEAN, I ENDORSE THE COMMENTS THAT MR. FOWLER HAS MADE, ESPECIALLY ABOUT THE PALM BEACH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I THINK IT IS AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE. BUT HOW CAN THIS MATERIAL THEN BE PRESENTED BOTH FROM A PUBLIC PERSPECTIVE AND THAT DOESN'T CAUSE THAT INFRINGEMENT, BECAUSE OTHERWISE IT'S JUST THE THOUGHTS OF MR. FOWLER AND WHOEVER HAPPENS TO BE WATCHING. WHEREAS PEOPLE COULD GO AND HAVE A LOOK AT AN AGENDA ITEM AND A PACK, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN ACTUALLY FILTER THAT BECAUSE THE NEXT PEOPLE WHO WERE INVOLVED IS ALSO COUNCIL MEMBERS. SO HOW CAN HOW CAN THAT BE PUT INTO A PUBLIC DOMAIN THAT'S NOT JUST FILED JUST IN CASE, THAT'S ACTUALLY THEN PUSHED IN FRONT OF PEOPLE.

SO RIGHT NOW IT'S BEING PRESENTED. IT'S BEING PRESENTED TO YOU AND YOU COULD CHOOSE TO HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT IT. I MEAN, THAT'S JUST THE WAY THE LAW IS WITH REGARD TO THE SUNSHINE LAW. SO HE HAS DONE THE RIGHT THING BY BASICALLY MAKING COPIES AND CIRCULATING IT TO YOU ALL AND HAVING A CONVERSATION HERE DURING THE SEGMENT OF THE AGENDA. SO NOW IF YOU WANT TO HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT IT AND PUT IT ON AN AGENDA NEXT MEETING, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO THAT. BUT THIS IS THE WAY IT HAS TO BE INITIATED. SO I WOULD I WOULD LIKE TO PUT THAT FORWARD AS A RECOMMENDATION THAT WE CAN INCLUDE IT IN AGENDA ITEM, THAT WE CAN REVIEW IT NOW IT'S MADE AVAILABLE TO US. SO WE CAN GIVE SOME CONSIDERED COMMENT AT THE NEXT. AND IT'LL ALSO TIE UP WITH THE CONSULTANTS AS WELL. MIGHT BE INCORPORATED AS AN ADDED ATTACHMENT IN THE MINUTES IN THE ACTION REPORT THAT WILL BE GOING TO COUNCIL. BOTH GO TO COUNCIL AS WELL AS THE THE PACKET FOR THIS MEETING. SO IT BECOMES PART OF THE PERMANENT RECORD. OKAY. SO BUT THE POINT THAT I I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT IS NEXT MEETING. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE THE PLAN IN FRONT OF US. I WOULD IS IF THERE WAS A GENERAL CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD TO BE SUPPORTIVE OF THE COMMENTS IN HERE, CAN WE MAKE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT? I SEE NO REASON WHY YOU CAN'T YOU, IN OTHER WORDS, TO TRANSMIT IT TO THE THE CONSULTANTS FOR CONSIDERATION AND TRANSMIT IT? I THINK WHAT YOU WOULD DO THERE THOUGH, IS THAT THEN YOU ARE TRANSMITTING TRANSMITTING IT TO THE CONSULTANT AS THE WHOLE BOARD. YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN? YEAH. WELL, THAT'S FINE WITH US. I KNOW, I KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I THINK THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE THERE IS THEN IT'S NOT JUST MR. FOWLER'S COMMENTS, IT'S THE WHOLE BOARD IS SUPPORTING THIS. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M AFTER. AND I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION FOR THIS. ON BEHALF OF THE PLANNING BOARD FOR IN GENERAL AGREEMENT WITH THE COMMENTS MADE HEREIN TO THE CONSULTANT. ALL RIGHT. AND THAT GIVES IT A LOT MORE POWER, GUYS, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK. IS THERE A SECOND TO THAT MOTION? THERE IS. YEAH. OKAY.

[02:30:06]

THANK YOU GUYS. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. AND I HAVE ONE MORE THOUGHT ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND LOOK, I APOLOGIZE FOR SUGGESTING THIS TO EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM AND MAYBE EVERYBODY WHO'S WATCHING ALL TEN. THE I WONDER WHETHER WE SHOULD SCHEDULE A WORKSHOP FOR THE PAB SOMETIME AFTER WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE TO REVIEW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN MARCH SO THAT WE CAN KIND OF COME TO AN AGREEMENT, A MEETING OF THE MINDS OF THE BOARD, SO THAT WE CAN THEN USE THAT OPPORTUNITY, PERHAPS, TO ENDORSE SPECIFIC IDEAS SO THAT IT'S COMING FROM THE BOARD RATHER THAN JUST FROM INDIVIDUAL MEMBERS. BUT THAT IS SO THAT'S PRECISELY WHAT WE WHAT YOU WILL BE. THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE MEETING ALREADY, IS TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND AND MAKE THAT DETERMINATION. RIGHT. BUT WHAT. SEE WHAT I MEAN. OKAY. AND MAYBE SO. BUT WHAT I'M ENVISIONING IS WE RECEIVE THE DOCUMENT, WHICH MAY BE, I DON'T KNOW, 250 PAGES LONG THAT WE NEED THEM TO REVIEW. AND THEN AS A GROUP COME TO, TO A COMMON VIEWPOINT AS TO THE VARIOUS POINTS IN IT, I JUST THINK I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE BENEFIT OF ALL THE PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM FOR A FOCUS BEING ON IT. I GUESS I'M NOT THE TOTAL. I'M AGREEING WITH YOU IN PRINCIPLE. THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THIS WEDNESDAY OF THE NEXT MEETING TO DO THAT. AND I WOULD JUST HOPE THAT WE COULD MINIMIZE ANY OTHER AGENDA ITEM FOR YOU. IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE SHORT, BUT LET ME LET ME GIVE YOU A EXACT YOU HAVE ONE OTHER ITEM. OKAY. SO THAT REALLY I DON'T WANT TO SCHEDULE A WORKSHOP WHEN WE DON'T NEED IT. NO, I HEAR YOU. AND I WANT TO MAKE IT A WORKSHOP. AND I WANT TO THANK ERICA FOR MAKING SURE THAT WE HAD NOTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA. I'M JUST KIDDING. CAN I SHOW IT TO MY SUGGESTION? BUT. BUT ANYWAY, I LIKE THE IDEA OF US ALL BEING ABLE TO TALK AMONG OURSELVES AND COME TO HOPEFULLY, COMMON UNDERSTANDING OF HOW WE WANT TO. CAN I ASK SOMETHING WITH A WORKSHOP IS YOU CAN'T TAKE ACTION IN A WORKSHOP. SO THE POINT HERE IS THAT WHEN WE DO IT IN A REGULAR MEETING, YOU CAN TAKE A VOTE AND MOVE THIS FORWARD. ERIC, CAN I ASK HOW QUICKLY WILL THEY BE ABLE TO GET THE MATERIALS? SEVEN DAYS. THAT'S WHAT I'M. I HAVE TO CHECK. MAYBE WE COULD TRY TO DO IT A LITTLE QUICKER SO THAT IT'S A LOT OF MATERIAL BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THAT MATERIAL. CAN I ASK IF PLANNING CAN CAN GET THAT PRINT? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IT'S OTHERWISE WE'RE JUST GOING TO SCREW UP. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DIFFERENT PRINTERS. AND I WILL DO MY BEST. IF WE CAN GET A COPY THAT WE CAN COME AND COLLECT, YOU KNOW, AS SOON AS FOR HARD COPY. NO, I HAVE TO PUBLISH IT. YOU KNOW, IT HAS TO BE PUBLISHED FOR THE PUBLIC AND EVERYONE, SO I WILL, BUT WE CAN PUBLISH EARLIER WHAT I'M HEARING. IN ADDITION TO THAT, IF WE CAN PICK UP A HARD COPY, WE'D BE GRATEFUL. BUT I DON'T KNOW. THAT MAY BE TOO MUCH. THAT WAY. WE CAN WE CAN NOTE OUR COMMENTS WHEN THE VARIOUS SECTIONS COME BEFORE US.

AND GUYS, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO EXERCISE SOME BECAUSE THIS PLAN IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO THE CITY, BUT WE'VE GOT TO DEAL WITH IT EFFICIENTLY. WE DON'T HAVE 40 HOURS TO GO THROUGH LINE BY LINE. SO YES, I AM. THAT'S WHY IT TAKES SO BUT BUT YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T WANT TO MAKE THE COMMENTS OF THIS BOARD IN MY OPINION, ARE CRUCIAL TO HELP THE CITY COUNCIL MAKE WISER DECISIONS. THEY CAN WE'RE ONLY WE ARE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS. WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT IN MIND. BUT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO NOT LOOK AT EVERY THOUGHT WE'VE GOT TO GET.

LOOK, I'M LOOKING FOR I THINK WHAT WE REALLY NEED TO FOCUS ON ARE THE BIG CONCEPTS. AND I THINK MR. FOWLER AND HIS COMMENTS THAT HE JUST GAVE US WAS TRYING TO DO THAT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO WHEN WE GO FORWARD, YOU KNOW, WITH YOUR PERMISSION, LET ME JUST READ FROM THE FROM THE ORDINANCE THAT ESTABLISHES THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, SECTION TWO. AND FOLLOWING WHY? I THINK YOU'RE JUST JOKING WITH ME NOW, BUT LET ME JUST READ ONE SENTENCE FROM IT. THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, WITH COUNCIL APPROVAL, MAY APPOINT SUCH EMPLOYEES AND STAFF AS IT. I'M SORRY. WRONG ONE. I LIKE THAT THEY'VE NEVER AGREED TO US.

NO, THIS IS THIS IS. THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD WILL HAVE POWERS AND DUTIES SET FORTH AND OTHER DUTIES. AND LET ME JUST SEE IF I CAN'T FIND THE THE THE SECTION I WAS LOOKING FOR. OH, YEAH. HERE WE GO. THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD SHALL HAVE THE POWER AND DUTY TO

[02:35:04]

YOU'RE NOT THERE TO INFLUENCE EACH OTHER. YOU'RE JUST THERE TO OBSERVE. BUT THE RESIDENTS MAY BE THERE TO INFLUENCE US. BUT WE CAN'T. WE CAN'T GET A HARD COPY, THOUGH, SO THAT WE CAN. MR. CHAIR, I WAS ONLY GOING TO. I WAS ONLY GOING TO SUGGEST IF IF FOLKS DO PUT TOGETHER THEIR OWN SYNOPSIS OF COMMENTS AND THINGS AND YOU WANT TO SEND THEM TO ERICA, WE'LL LOOK AT THEM AHEAD OF TIME. AND THAT WAY WE'RE PREPARED AS WELL TO LIKE, FACILITATE THAT CONVERSATION. IF IF IN FACT, YOU WANT TO DO THAT. THANK YOU. THAT'S A GOOD SUGGESTION. BUT BUT A HARD COPY THAT THEY WERE MENTIONING. WE CAN GET THAT BEFORE BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING. THE PEOPLE THE DRAFT, THE DRAFT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. OH I DON'T HAVE IT YET SO NO BUT BUT IF. YEAH. SO WE CAN ACTUALLY REVIEW IT AND NOT ON A COMPUTER. BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT HOW THAT DELIVERABLE IS GOING TO BE PROVIDED TO ME. BUT THERE WILL BE A PRESENTATION. AND THEN OBVIOUSLY THE THE DOCUMENT ITSELF. THANK YOU. BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING AROUND EACH OTHER. THERE ARE MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD THAT WANT A HARD COPY OF THAT REPORT OF THAT REPORT OKAY. AND AND I'D ADD MY NAME TO THAT LIST. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. WE HAVE. WE HAVE A ANY THERE'S NO THERE'S NO PUBLIC. SO I ASSUME THERE'S NO

[9.A) Traffic Study Update from the Public Works Department. ]

[02:40:15]

IT'S ADJACENT TO A HIGHER LEVEL SERVICE. SO THERE'S A FEW DIFFERENT FACTORS. RIGHT NOW THEY'RE LOOKING AT PRESENTING. AND THIS WAS PRESENTED AS PART OF THE DECEMBER UPDATE I MIGHT ADD. BUT THEY'RE LOOKING AT BREAKING THIS DOWN INTO LIKE A MAJOR MINOR. YOU KNOW THERE'S ACTUALLY GOING TO BE THREE DIFFERENT TYPES. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, HOW THE REPORT AND THE REQUIREMENTS ARE NECESSARY. AND ANOTHER THING THAT THEY'RE INCORPORATING IN IS EXCUSE ME LOOKING AT THE STUDY AREAS LIKE IF THE IMPACTS OF THAT MAY BE TO THE ADJACENT.

SO THEY'RE LOOKING AT I THINK YOU MAY IF YOU WATCHED WHAT THEY PRESENTED LIKE A 5% THAT

[02:45:02]

OKAY. NO PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? NO. I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT YOU

[11) Correspondence and Communication]

THERE'S NOT A SUMMARY THAT THAT LIKE I SAID, THE TWO SUMMARIES THAT ARE PRODUCED ARE THE MINUTES AND THE ACTION REPORT WHERE IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THAT NUANCE AND THE MEAT OF THE CONVERSATION, THAT'S REALLY THERE'S IF YOU CAN'T WATCH IT IN REAL TIME, THERE ARE VIDEOS ARCHIVED ON OUR WEBSITE. YOU CAN GO BACK AND WATCH SPECIFIC ITEMS. YOU CAN TIMESTAMP THEM.

YOU CAN FAST FORWARD TO IF THERE'S SOMETHING YOU'RE PARTICULARLY CONCERNED IN THE MINUTES, GIVE A LITTLE BIT MORE MEAT, BUT THE VIDEOS GIVE YOU THE FULL. YEAH. IN FACT, I CAN ADD ON THAT TOO, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE LIKE A DECISION IS ONE THING. SO IF WE PASS SOMETHING ON TO COUNCIL AND THEY DECIDE ON IT, YES OR NO, THAT'S ONE THING. BUT IF WE MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, THE ACTUAL DETAIL OF THEIR DECISION ON WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION WAS

[02:50:01]

SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SAY. WHEN DOES THE COUNCIL CONSIDER IS IT APRIL OR IS IT MAY THAT THEY THE TERMS END IN MAY. SO THE, THE THE TERM WILL BE OVER IN MAY AND THE NEW MEMBERS WOULD START IN APRIL. SO THEY PROBABLY I DON'T TO BE HONEST I DON'T KNOW WHO HAS APPLIED. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY CURRENT APPLICANTS. YOU KNOW, WE WOULD SET UP INTERVIEWS AHEAD OF TIME SO THAT HOPEFULLY COUNCIL COULD APPOINT NEW MEMBERS. WELL, THE GOOD NEWS ON THE COMMENT IS THAT OUR MEETINGS ARE GOING TO BE RECORDED. SO EVEN IF THE PERSON DOESN'T SHOW UP IN PERSON, THEY COULD HOPEFULLY WOULD TAKE THE TIME TO LOOK AT THE RECORDING.

YEAH, IF ONLY FOR THE IF ONLY FOR THE SHEER ENTERTAINMENT VALUE OF IT. YOU AND ME TALKING.

OKAY, OKAY. ANY OTHER? YES. I HAVE TWO OTHER THINGS. I'M SORRY. FIRST, I FORGOT TO MENTION WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I REVIEWED THAT I FOUND EXTREMELY USEFUL. AND, ERIC, ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE TO HELP ME WITH THE REFERENCE TO THIS? ERIC CAN HELP ME FIND THIS, WHICH IS A DOCUMENT THAT'S ON NAPLES 2045.

THAT IS A MOCKUP OR MARKUP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS IT EXISTS, BASICALLY. AND IT HAS IN DIFFERENT COLORED INDICATIONS, COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE IN 2018. I THINK FOR THE UPDATE IN 2021. SLASH 22 FOR UPDATES. SOME OF THOSE SUGGESTIONS WERE ACCEPTED. SOME OF THEM WERE REJECTED OR NOT NOT ADOPTED. BUT I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE WHO HAD THOUGHT VERY HARD ABOUT THE THE PLAN BEFORE US. AND SO THE 2021 COMMENTS I FOUND VERY USEFUL. AND SO I YOU CAN GO ON THE WEBSITE, BUT BUT YOU CAN TELL US, IF YOU DON'T MIND, ERIC, EXACTLY WHAT THAT'S CALLED AGAIN, SO THAT IF YOU GO TO THE THE NAPLES 2045 WEBSITE, THIS IS WHAT HE'S MENTIONING ARE THE WE ARCHIVED THE ELEMENTS AS THEY WERE DISCUSSED BY THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, BOTH IN 2018 AND THEN AGAIN REVISITED IN 2021. YOU'LL SEE

[02:55:02]

[03:00:01]

THEY'RE AVAILABLE. THIS CAME UP AT THE NAPLES BEACH CLUB WHEN CITY COUNCIL WAS ASKING AND I WAS PRESENT. I WAS SPEAKING THERE AS A MEMBER OF PUBLIC, AND I DREW THEIR ATTENTION TO EIGHT ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVED DECISIONS THAT NONE OF THEM WERE PRIVY TO, AND THEY WERE ALL AGHAST BY IT. AND IT'S NOT A CRITICISM OF ANY ADMINISTRATION. IT'S ABOUT THIS SUNSHINE LAWS PUTTING THINGS IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN, AND IT SHOULD BE EASILY ACCESSIBLE OF ANY APPROVALS, JUST LIKE ANY APPROVAL THAT WE MAKE OR COUNCIL MAKES, IS EASILY ACCESSIBLE FOR PEOPLE TO LOOK. I THINK ADMINISTRATIVELY SHOULD BE THE SAME. IF THAT WERE A MOTION, I WOULD SECOND IT RIGHT NOW. I THINK THAT'S A BRILLIANT IDEA. IF I MAY, THE THERE ARE THERE ARE LITERALLY HUNDREDS OF DECISIONS THAT THE ADMINISTRATION MAKES DAILY.

HUNDREDS THAT'S THEIR JOB. BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PUBLIC RECORDS. SO IF YOU'RE IF YOU WANT TO NARROW IT DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, PERMITS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, OR DECISIONS SUCH AS IS SOMETHING A PERMITTED OR PROHIBITED USE THE SPECIFIC SITUATION THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IS SOMETHING THAT TYPICALLY PLANNING DEPARTMENTS DO, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T LIST OUT EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE PERMITTED USE BECAUSE USES CHANGE. I MEAN, I'VE COME ACROSS ZONING CODES WHERE IT'S STILL REFERENCES DRIVE IN THEATERS AND AND SO YOU DO WHAT'S CALLED A COMPARATIVE USE. YOU FIND A COMPARATIVE USE. AND IT'S A STANDARD PRACTICE. SO I DON'T WANT TO REALLY GET INTO YOUR SITUATION TOO MUCH BECAUSE THERE ARE LOTS OF LAWYERS INVOLVED IN THIS, BUT IT'S NOT UNUSUAL. BUT IF WITH REGARD TO CERTAIN ADMINISTRATIVE DECISIONS THAT ARE DONE BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT THAT YOU THINK MIGHT BE USEFUL FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW ABOUT, THAT'S THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT STORY. BUT I THINK YOU CAN LOOK UP PERMITS PRETTY, PRETTY EASILY. BUT THE ADMINISTRATION MAKES LOTS OF DECISIONS EVERY DAY.

THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE PAID TO DO. AND BUT ON THAT POINT, I MEAN, THE PORTE COCHERE COMES TO MIND AT THE NAPLES BEACH CLUB. AND BUT I THINK WHEN THERE IS A PRESENTER COMING FORWARD WITH A PROJECT THAT THEY'RE INVOLVED WITH AND THERE'S BEEN SOME ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS WHICH, YOU KNOW, ARE NOT, THEY SHOULD BE JUST MENTIONED. SO WHOEVER'S MAKING DECISIONS HAVE GOT AWARE OF ALL THE BACKGROUND AS WELL, ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE IN THERE. I THINK PUBLIC INFORMATION IS A GOOD IDEA. I THINK WE SHOULD ASK. THE CITY ATTORNEY TO GIVE US SOME RECOMMENDED WORDING THAT WE CAN LOOK AT AT A FUTURE MEETING, BECAUSE I THINK WE'VE GOT TO GET IN A LOT OF TROUBLE IF WE TRY TO PARSE THIS UP OURSELVES 100%. AND I DO WANT TO CIRCLE BACK AND SAY, THIS IS IN NO WAY A CRITICISM OF PLANNING BECAUSE, LIKE ANDREW SAYS, THEY HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS ALL THE TIME, EVERY DAY. AND SO NOT A CRITICISM, BUT BUT IT IS A CONCERN THAT WE MAKE THE RIGHT BALANCE BETWEEN WHAT IS DONE IN

[03:05:04]

SO THAT WASN'T THAT THAT WAS THE TYPE OF APPROVAL YOU HAVE, THE ISSUANCE OF BUSINESS TAX RECEIPTS. THOSE HAPPEN ALL DAY, EVERY SINGLE DAY. THE ISSUANCE OF BUILDING PERMITS. YOU KNOW, IT'S MY STAFF. DOES THIS MEET A SETBACK? IS THIS A PERMITTED USE. WE DO THAT 100 TIMES A DAY.

SO THERE'S THERE'S DIFFERENT PUBLIC RECORDS FOR DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATIVE ACTIONS. AND SO I JUST I JUST WANT TO POINT YOU TO WE DO UPDATE YOU ON SITE PLANS. WE HAVE NEW DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE APPROVED ADMINISTRATIVELY THAT DON'T COME THROUGH THIS PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS. THOSE ARE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. YOU CAN LOOK YOU CAN LOOK THOSE UP. WE UPDATE IT MONTHLY. YOU CAN SEE ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT HE IS CORRECT. IT WOULD BE ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO GIVE YOU A REPORT. AT THE END OF EVERY DAY. YOU WOULD DROWN IN INFORMATION OF EVERY DECISION. ANDREW. YOU MAY LOOK AT IT AND DECIDE WE'RE CRAZY AND WE CAN'T DO IT. AT LEAST THE THE, THE CONCERN IS OUT THERE AND HAS BEEN EXPRESSED. BUT IF WE CAN FIND SOMETHING, I THINK IT'S BETTER TO NOT TRY TO DO IT BY MOTION. THIS THE SPIRIT OF WHAT YOU'RE.

YEAH. THE SPIRIT OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS NOT LOST ON ME. AND I THINK ERIC AND I AND THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT. IS THERE A WAY TO TAKE SOME THINGS THAT ARE HIGH PROFILE, YOU KNOW, CONNECTED WITH HIGH PROFILE THINGS? IS THERE A WAY TO MAKE THAT MORE EASILY AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC? I MEAN, FRANKLY, THE PUBLIC RECORDS LAWS ARE PRETTY VAST, AND YOU ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS ASK FOR THEM, BUT YOU ALSO DON'T WANT TO MAKE IT HARD FOR PEOPLE IF IF YOU DON'T HAVE TO. AND ANYONE WHO'S BEEN ON THIS BOARD FOR A WHILE, YOU'LL REMEMBER A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WE DID ACTUALLY COME THROUGH AND ON TO CITY COUNCIL PROPOSING THAT WE CREATE AN INTERPRETATION PROCESS. SO MY DEPARTMENT, WHEN FACED WITH AN ISSUE LIKE THIS, THERE WOULD BE A PROCESS BY WHICH WE COULD COME THROUGH PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AND CITY COUNCIL, AND IT WAS NOT ADOPTED. THAT WAS THEY DID NOT CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. SO MAYBE THAT'S YEAH, MAYBE THAT'S MAYBE THE ANSWER. OWNER OWNERSHIP HAS ITS CONSEQUENCES. OKAY. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE. LAST CHANCE OKAY. MOTION TO ANYTHING FROM YOU ERICA OKAY. MOTION PLEASE. PLEASE SEND THE MEETING'S TOMORROW. ONE, TWO. AS MANY AS YOU CAN TELL ALL YOUR FRIENDS. OKAY. MOTION TO ADJOURN. I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION TO ADJOURN.

SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.