Jan 20, 2026 City Council Workshop

[1) CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL]

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CITY COUNCIL AND NAPLES PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD JOINT MEETING THIS BEAUTIFUL, CHILLY.

TUESDAY, JANUARY 20TH, 2026. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER CRISMAN HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER CRAMER HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. PETRANOFF HERE. VICE MAYOR HUTCHINSON HERE. MAYOR HEITMANN HERE.

THANK YOU. AND FOR THE NON-VOTING SCHOOL BOARD REP, MISS LOCKHART, MEMBER BARRON HERE. ALTERNATE MEMBER. COOPER HERE. MEMBER. CHRIS. MEMBER. FOWLER. PRESENT. MEMBER. MAYOR.

HERE. MEMBER. SCHULTZ. PRESENT. VICE CHAIR. KAPPLER. HERE. CHAIR. COUGHLIN. PRESENT.

PRESIDENT. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, WE'LL STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG ON THE STAGE. PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. WELL, GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. I FIRST WANT TO THANK OUR PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD FOR JOINING US WITH THE FOR THIS JOINT MEETING. OUR STAFF WHO IS COORDINATED THIS MEETING, JOHNSON ENGINEERING AND BEYOND AUDIO VISUAL, WHO WERE VERY ACCOMMODATING YESTERDAY IN THIS SETUP. SO THANK YOU DAVID. AND TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL, WE WANT TO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMITMENT AND SERVICE TO

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[4) PUBLIC COMMENTS]

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COULD YOU REPEAT THE NAME YOUR ADDRESS? FIVE SEVEN, SIX 14TH STREET NORTH. OKAY. THANK YOU SIR. THANKS GUYS. I MEAN YES, WE WOULD NORMALLY. DON'T DO THAT. OH I'M SORRY. YEAH. CITY COUNCIL WITH THE CITY MANAGER ON THAT. WE NORMALLY. YEAH WE NORMALLY DON'T DO THAT. BUT I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, THE PORT OF DRIVEWAY SOMEHOW, OR YOU POURED A DRIVEWAY WITH THE CITY AND NOW THERE IS SOME REQUIREMENT THAT IT FLARES OUT ON BOTH SIDES.

AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT DOES NOT WORK LIKE I'M NOT ASK. IT NEEDS NIPPED OFF. THAT'S WHY I'M GOING TO PASS THE PICTURES AROUND WHEN I LEAVE. BUT GARY, AND COINCIDENTALLY, I'D STILL LIKE TO HAVE THAT MEETING WITH YOU IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND HAVING A MEETING ON THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND YOU CAN JUST HAND THOSE PICTURES TO THE CLERK AND SHE CAN PASS THEM OUT TO US LATER. THANK YOU. MAYOR, WE HAVE ONE MORE PUBLIC SPEAKER, RENEE LEWIN. GOOD MORNING. I'M RENEE LEWIN, 1801 GULF SHORE BOULEVARD NORTH, PRESIDENT OF GULF SHORE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION AND PRESIDENT OF SINCERE CONDOMINIUM ASSOCIATION. THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.

NOT MUCH ROOM ON THIS PODIUM, IS THERE? I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL AND PAB FOR MEMBERS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I'D LIKE TO BEGIN BY BY RECOMMENDING KIND OF A REVIEW OF THE VISION STATEMENT. IT WAS DEVELOPED IN 2019. I THINK MOST OF YOU PROBABLY HAVE READ IT. IT WAS FOLLOWED BY COMMENTS ABOUT THE VISION STATEMENT, FOLLOWED BY COMMENTS ABOUT SORT OF STRATEGY AND HOW YOU IMPLEMENT THE VISION STATEMENT. AND MY FIRST COMMENT TO YOU IS I THINK YOU SHOULD REVIEW IT. IT'S SEVEN YEARS OLD. THERE MAY BE SOME ITEMS IN THERE THAT YOU WANT TO REALIGN OR RETHINK, AND THAT WOULD BE MY FIRST RECOMMENDATION. AND I THINK THAT. THAT THE REVIEW IS IMPORTANT AND THE REASONS IT'S IMPORTANT, IT IT GIVES THE STRATEGY FOR THE FOR THE CITY. AND IT'S IMPORTANT FOR STAFF, FOR COUNCIL, FOR VOLUNTEER GROUPS TO BE ALIGNED ON THAT VISION. THE ALIGNMENT IS KEY TO EXECUTION. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ALIGNMENT, YOU DON'T HAVE GOOD EXECUTION. FURTHER, THE CITY IN AUGUST OF 2020 OF 2024 DEVELOPED WHAT I THOUGHT WAS A TREMENDOUS DOCUMENT. I WOULD LIKE TO POINT IT OUT. CRITICAL FACILITIES ADOPTION PLAN. IF YOU'VE READ THAT DOCUMENT, VERY WELL DONE. 47 ITEMS WERE IDENTIFIED, BOTH PHYSICAL AND NONPHYSICAL, AS PART OF THE STRATEGY, I SUGGEST THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT PARTICULARLY ITEMS ONE THROUGH NINE, AND THEY ARE EXCELLENT IN TERMS OF RANKING AND THINGS THAT SHOULD BE DONE. AND AS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, I'M SURE THAT PORTIONS OF THIS SHOULD BE ADOPTED. THERE'S SOME REALLY GOOD WORK HERE, AND THERE'S NO REASON TO REINVENT THE WHEEL. I DON'T THINK ALL 47 ITEMS WOULD BE A STRETCH TO TRY TO DO THEM ALL. I THINK YOU OUGHT TO FOCUS ON THE ONES THAT ARE THE HIGH RANKING AND THE KEY PRIORITIES. ONCE AGAIN, THE FOCUS ON THE TOP RANKED PROPERTIES, ITEMS

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OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IN ADDITION TO LOOKING AT THE STRATEGY AND PUTTING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TOGETHER, I THINK FUNDING IS REALLY IMPORTANT. I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF AREAS THAT YOU SHOULD LOOK AT IN TERMS OF FUNDING, AND I'M NOT NOT A FINANCIAL EXPERT, BUT I'D LIKE TO OFFER A FEW. ONE, I THINK YOU SHOULD FIRST EXAMINE CURRENT SPENDING BEFORE YOU GO TO TAXPAYERS. MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CURRENT SPENDING IS ADEQUATE, EFFICIENT, ON THE RIGHT TOPICS. IMPACT FEES I THINK IT'S A LONG TIME SINCE WE LOOKED AT IMPACT FEES.

I THINK IMPACT FEES ARE IMPORTANT, AND I THINK THEY'RE INADEQUATE. INCREASE IN TOURIST RATES OR TAXES IS ANOTHER FUNDING MECHANISM. WE'VE GOT SOME NEW HOTELS BEING BUILT.

THEY'RE GOING TO BE FULLY OCCUPIED, AND A LOT OF TOURISTS FROM A LOT OF LOT OF PLACES ARE GOING TO BE BUSY. I HATE TO MENTION, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, PARKING FEES, YOU OUGHT TO THINK ABOUT GENERATING SOME REVENUE FROM SOMETHING YOU CURRENTLY DON'T HAVE. AND I THINK WOULD BE SMART TO DO THAT IN CERTAIN PLACES, BUT NOT EVERYWHERE BUT PLACES THAT HAVE HIGH RATES OF USAGE. THE FUNDING OPTIONS NEED TO BE VERY CAREFULLY EXAMINED. YOU KNOW, IF YOU DO PROPERTY TAX INCREASES, I CERTAINLY WOULDN'T DO IT FOR HOMESTEADED PROPERTIES. BUT ALSO, I'M SURE YOU'RE CONSIDERING A BOND ISSUE. ALL IMPORTANT. I THINK ONCE YOU DETERMINE THAT, I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT YOU REVIEW IT WITH RESIDENTS AND GET THEIR APPROVAL EITHER IN A REFERENDUM OR SOME OTHER MECHANISM. ALONG GULF SHORES PROPERTY NORTH, YOU ALL KNOW THAT YOUR MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR PROJECTS GOING ON, YOU'VE SEEN THEM GO UP. GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE OF ROSEWOOD RESIDENCES. THOSE THAT HAVE YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH ROSEWOOD. TWO BUILDINGS, 21 UNITS. AVERAGE SELLING PRICE WILL PROBABLY BE ABOUT 20 MILLION. THAT'LL ADD OVER $800 MILLION TO THE TAX BASE. THESE ARE THE KINDS OF PROJECTS THAT ARE VERY BIG, VERY IMPORTANT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE. I THINK THE GOVERNANCE IS IMPORTANT. AND TODAY THE GOVERNANCE FOR THESE PROJECTS COME TO DESIGN REVIEW BOARD AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND THEY'RE THE LAST TO REVIEW AND APPROVE. I KNOW YOU LOOK AT MANY, MANY ITEMS, BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE THIS COUNCIL TO BEGIN TO LOOK AT MULTIMILLION DOLLAR PROJECTS AS OPPOSED TO SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS YOU'RE LOOKING AT. THESE ARE IMPORTANT TO THE CITY. THEY'RE IMPORTANT TO THE REVENUE OF THE CITY. THEY'RE IMPORTANT TO THE LOOK OF THE CITY. I WOULD LIKE TO IN TALKING ABOUT ROSEWOOD, I'D LIKE TO PASS OUT SOME PICTURES THAT I TOOK, IF I MAY, AND YOU CAN DO THAT AFTERWARDS, IF YOU DON'T MIND. OKAY. BECAUSE YOUR YOUR TIME WAS UP. OH I APOLOGIZE. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, I DO WANT TO SHOW YOU IN THE PICTURE IS THAT IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WAS APPROVED BY DRB AND PLANNING DEPARTMENT. IT IT WENT NO FURTHER. THERE ARE KXL VIOLATIONS THAT WERE APPROVED. THERE ARE. THE PICTURE WILL SHOW YOU A BUILDING, A GARAGE 80FT LONG, 50FT WIDE, TWO AND A HALF STORIES HIGH. THAT WAS.

APPROVED. AND IT'S 15FT FROM THE SIDEWALK. SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THE PEDESTRIAN SIDEWALK AND THIS CONCRETE WALL THAT'S NOT GREEN SPACE, THAT'S NOT VIEWS. THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU WANTED. THAT'S NOT PART OF THE CHARACTER OF THIS CITY. BUT IT GOT APPROVED. AND ALSO THE PERSON WHO APPROVED THAT SITE PLAN AND APPROVED 1785, WHICH JUST IS SOUTH OF SINCERE BUILDING, TWO WEEKS AFTER APPROVAL OF 1785, THEY WENT TO WORK FOR A DEVELOPER. AND THAT

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[5.A) Joint Discussion between City Council and the Planning Advisory Board of Naples 2045, the elective changes to the City of Naples Comprehensive Plan.]

THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT BEFORE YOU THE STATUS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE PROCESS. CHRISTINE FISHER WITH JOHNSON ENGINEERING, AN APEX COMPANY. I SERVE AS THE PROJECT MANAGER ON THIS PROJECT. TODAY, WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE A STATUS ON THE PROJECT AS WE WRAP UP THE FIRST ROUND OF PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT EFFORTS. INCLUDED IN YOUR AGENDA PACKETS, YOU HAVE AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF THE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT EFFORTS AS OF DECEMBER 2025, AND THE ONLINE QUESTIONNAIRE SUMMARY WILL ALSO BE PRESENTING SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF THE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND THE COMMUNITY RESPONSES. THEN, WE INTEND TO DISCUSS STRATEGIES WITH YOU TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMUNITY RESPONSES THAT WE'VE HEARD. AND THEN FINALLY, WE WANT TO DISCUSS AND GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THE UPCOMING ROUND TWO PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT EFFORTS, INCLUDING THE DRAFT NOTIFICATION FLIER THAT IS IN YOUR PACKET AND THE PROPOSED QUESTIONNAIRE, AND ALSO TALK ABOUT THE FORMAT THAT WE INTEND FOR THE FEBRUARY 12TH COMMUNITY

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THE QUESTIONNAIRE LAUNCHED ON NOVEMBER 6TH AND ENDED ON DECEMBER 6TH. THE QUESTIONNAIRE WAS ADVERTISED VIA EMAIL, THE WEBSITE AND TO CITY OF NAPLES CONTACT LIST. THE WORKSHOP. THE WORKSHOP WOULD ADVERTISE THROUGH THE SAME CHANNELS IN ADDITION TO FLIERS POSTED AT CITY NAPLES COMMUNITY AREAS. AREAS. THE FULL DESCRIPTION OF THE OUTREACH ACTIVITIES CAN BE FOUND IN. EXECUTIVE SUMMARY. AS OF TODAY, WE RECEIVED 2803 CLICKS TO THE WEBSITE, SO IT'S GROWING EVERY DAY. PEOPLE ARE VISITING ON A REGULAR. FOR OUR RESPONDENTS. FOR THE QUESTIONNAIRE, WE RECEIVED 1041. A COMBINATION OF THE QUESTIONNAIRE AND THE MENTIMETER AT THE THE TWO WORKSHOPS THAT WE HAD IN NOVEMBER THAT WERE THE WORKSHOPS WERE IN PERSON, REPRESENTING 2% OF THE TOTAL POPULATION, WHICH IS CONSIDERED A SUCCESSFUL RATE RESPONSE. THE MAP ON THE SIDE THAT YOU CAN SEE ILLUSTRATES THE GEOGRAPHIC AREAS FROM WHICH RESPONDENTS RECEIVED. 86% CAME FROM INSIDE OF THE CITY, 11% CAME FROM OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, AND 3% WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ADDRESS. BUT WE GOT A BIG TURNOUT OF THE CITY.

RESPONDENTS FOR THE QUESTIONNAIRE AND THE MENTIMETER AT THE WORKSHOP.

THESE ARE A FEW OF THE QUESTIONS THAT WE PULLED OUT OF THE SURVEY THAT YOU THE QUESTIONNAIRE, I'M SORRY THAT YOU HAVE IT HIGHLIGHTS, YOU KNOW, THE DEMOGRAPHICS RESPONDENTS. RESPONDENTS WERE OVERWHELMINGLY RESIDENTS, MOSTLY DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT NAPLES, BUT WITH A STRONG CONCENTRATION. CONCENTRATION LIVING IN OLD NAPLES, PARK SHORE AND THE MORNINGS. ABOUT 4% HAVE LIVED IN NAPLES LESS THAN TEN YEARS, WHILE THE LARGEST GROUP HAVE LIVED IN THE CITY EITHER 11 TO 20 YEARS OR MORE. THE MAJORITY RESIDE WITH RESIDE WITHIN CITY OF NAPLES EITHER 6 TO 9 MONTHS OF THE YEAR OR FULL TIME. THE LARGEST SHARE OF RESPONDENTS REPORTED BEING 70 TO 79 YEARS OLD, FOLLOWED BY THOSE IN THE 60 AND 69 AGE RANGE. ABOUT 141 RESPONDENTS INDICATED THAT THEY OPERATE A BUSINESS IN NAPLES, WITH ABOUT 40% REPORTING THAT THEY HAVE BEEN IN OPERATION FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS. I JUST

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WELL, JUST TO ON THAT, YOU SAID THAT IT'S UNFORTUNATE. SO MANY BUSINESSES. I THINK IT'S FORTUNATE SO MANY BUSINESSES AND EVEN MORE SHOULD RESPOND, BUT THE PROPORTION SHOULD BE REFLECTIVE AS TO WHAT MAKES UP NAPLES. THAT'S MY CONCERN. IT'S THE PROPORTION. IT WOULD BE THE SAME. I'D HAVE THE SAME CONCERN IF THERE WAS 1000 RESIDENTS AND TWO BUSINESSES. THAT WOULD BE DISPROPORTIONATE AS WELL. SO IT'S A PROPORTIONALITY THAT I'M LOOKING AT, NOT IN FAVOR OF BUSINESS RESIDENTS OR EVEN SAYING THAT THERE'S ANY DIFFERENCE BECAUSE THERE'S SOME MORE SIMILARITIES THAN DIFFERENCES, BECAUSE IN IN THE DATA IN THIS ONE, IT SHOWS WE HAD A LARGE AMOUNT OF RESIDENTS WHO RESPONDED TO THE QUESTIONNAIRE AND A SMALLER PORTION OF THE BUSINESS AND LANDOWNERS. SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WANT TO SEE MORE PARTICIPATION FROM THE RESIDENTS, OR YOU WANT IT TO BE KIND OF 5050 WITH ALL OF THEM? WELL, NOT TO USE A SMART WORD, BUT I WILL. IT'S CALLED EPISTEMOLOGY. WE NEED THE EXPERTISE COMBINING OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE PARTICIPATING PARTICIPANTS. WHETHER YOU HAVE AN INVOLVEMENT OR NOT. AS A RESIDENT, YOU ARE A PARTICIPANT. WHETHER YOU PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS IS A DIFFERENT THING, AND WE ARE MISSING THAT TARGET. I'M SURE WE'RE NOT DOING IT DELIBERATELY, BUT WE ARE CLEARLY MISSING THE TARGET BY THE POPULATION WHO ARE INVOLVED WITH THIS SURVEYING QUESTION WHO ARE PARTICIPATING? SO THAT'S MY BIG CONCERN. AND BEFORE I GET A CONSENSUS, I ON ANYTHING, I WANT TO JUST SAY, I THINK WE MIGHT WANT TO ALSO LOOK AT THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE GIVEN IN THAT NEXT STEP. ALSO, THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A LARGE PARTICIPATION IN THE VISION. AND SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ARE VERY SIMILAR TO NOT SIMILAR, BUT THEY'RE JUST KIND OF NOT AS IN-DEPTH, I THINK, AS THE QUESTIONS. SO PEOPLE WHO PARTICIPATE IN THE VISION DON'T THINK THAT VISION STUDY OR RESULTS ARE INADEQUATE.

SO, YOU KNOW, I TOOK THE SURVEY AND I WAS KIND OF LIKE, THIS IS OKAY, BUT I THINK IT WAS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THOSE QUESTIONS WERE WHAT WE WANTED. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT.

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I THINK ON YOUR SCREEN THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT WHERE IT SAYS NUMBER NINE, IT'S IT'S ACTUALLY 39. IT'S MISSING. YOUR SCREEN'S CUT OFF A LITTLE BIT. YEAH. AND SO THE CONTENTION WAS THAT PROPORTIONALLY THE LANDOWNERS WERE WELL FIRST OF ALL, RAW NUMBERS ARE PITIFUL.

IS THAT WHAT WE'RE SAYING. NO, NO, THE NUMBERS ARE CORRECT. NO, NO, NO, I'M SAYING JUST VERY LOW PARTICIPATION RATES. IS THAT. NO, NO, IT'S IT'S THE ACTUAL REFLECTION OF THE, OF THE PARTICIPANTS REFLECTING THE COMMUNITY. AND I DON'T THINK THAT OUR COMMUNITY IS MADE UP OF 30%, 36% BUSINESS OWNERS. SO SO MY MATH DOESN'T ADD UP TO 36%. YOU GO THROUGH, YOU'VE GOT WELL, YOU'VE GOT LANDOWNERS AND BUSINESS OWNERS MAKE UP 14 OF THE. SO YOU'RE COMBINING LANDOWNERS WITH BUSINESS OWNERS. YEAH I DID NOT OKAY I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT INITIALLY. I SAW THE FOREIGN I ONLY HEARD BUSINESS OWNERS. I'M WONDERING I GUESS THAT'S THE INDUSTRY STANDARD. BUT I'VE DONE A TON OF DATA AND SURVEILLANCE. I MEAN, LOTS OF BIG SCALES AND 2% PARTICIPATION. ANEMIC AT BEST. BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT'S THAT'S WHERE WE SHOULD BE. THAT IS SHOCKING TO ME. QUITE HONESTLY. IN REGARDS TO THIS SLIDE, THIS IS JUST A WORKSHOP PARTICIPANTS AND YOU COULD CHECK ALL THE THINGS THAT APPLY. SO YOU MAY HAVE HAD RESIDENTS WHO ARE ALSO PROPERTY OWNERS WHO ARE ALSO BUSINESS OWNERS. SO YOU COULD CHECK MULTIPLE BOXES. AND THAT WAS PART OF THIS ANALYSIS HERE. WE DID HAVE AGAIN, OVER 1000 PEOPLE RESPOND BETWEEN THE QUESTIONNAIRE AND THE TWO WORKSHOPS. THAT'S ASTRONOMICAL. DO WE KNOW IF ANY OF THEM WERE? I'M ASSUMING THERE WERE DUPLICATES THAT PEOPLE DIDN'T? MANY. THAT'S NOT TOO MANY. IT PROBABLY WAS ABOUT 20 DUPLICATES. WE WERE VERY GOOD AT KEEPING THEM SEPARATE. IF YOU CAME TO THE MEETING, YOU KNOW, DON'T PARTICIPATE AT THE SURVEY ON THE QUESTIONNAIRE, BUT YOU CAN'T STOP THAT. SO ABOUT 20 WE HAD THAT WERE DUPLICATES BETWEEN THE THE IN-PERSON WORKSHOP AND THE QUESTIONNAIRE. A LOT OF THEM ACTUALLY, WE HAD WE WENT THROUGH THEM ALL, I WOULD SAY ON THE QUESTIONNAIRE THEY WERE TEN. THAT TOOK IT MULTIPLE TIMES. YOU CAN'T STOP THAT. BUT THAT'S DOING ALL THE SURVEYS THAT WE'VE DONE. THAT'S GREAT.

USUALLY YOU HAVE WAY MORE THAN THAT WHO DUPLICATE THE SURVEY, WHICH IS THAT WAS MY ASSUMPTION.

QUITE HONESTLY, WHEN I SAW THIS, I THOUGHT IT'S ASSUMED THAT ACTIVIST FOLKS WERE PILING ON.

NO OFFENSE TO ANYONE. THANK YOU FOR BEING INVOLVED, BUT I JUST KNOW THAT'S COMMON WHEN YOU'RE DOING THIS TYPE OF DATA COLLECTION. YEAH, NO, IT WAS A SMALL PERCENTAGE OF DUPLICATIONS THAT WERE ON. AND SOME OF THEM THEY PUT IN THEIR ADDRESS BUT NOT THEIR UNIT NUMBER FOR A CONDO. BUT THEY WE WENT AHEAD AND TOOK THE EXTRA STEP AND CHECKED THE EMAIL, THE IP ADDRESS. AND THEY WERE DIFFERENT. SO WE WE HAVE TO ASSUME THEY'RE NOT THE SAME PERSON. IF THEIR EMAIL ADDRESS AND THEIR IP ADDRESS IS NOT THE SAME, EVEN THOUGH THEY HAVE THE SAME ADDRESS AND DIDN'T INCLUDE THE UNIT NUMBER FOR THE CONDOS. WELL, WELL DONE ON YOUR FORENSICS. YEAH, IT TOOK A LOT. YEAH. OKAY. I HAVE PETRANOFF AND THEN SCHULZE. I CAN TESTIFY TO THE THE WAY THAT YOU HAD ELIMINATED DUPES, BECAUSE I ACTUALLY TESTED THAT AND AND I SAW THAT I POPPED UP. WHEN YOU GO INTO THE DETAILS, YOU CAN SEE IT. SO I WAS I WAS THRILLED THAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT THAT SO THAT YOU CAN TAKE IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. I KIND OF FELT YOU WERE TESTING. I WAS LIKE, SHE KEEPS DOING THIS. YEAH. YOU WERE THE ACTIVIST. YEAH, WELL, I WASN'T I WAS, BECAUSE I'VE TAKEN SURVEYS BEFORE AND I NOTICED I WAS ABLE TO TAKE THEM AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN. I THOUGHT, SOMEBODY CAN REALLY SKEW THIS THING. SO I DROPPED OUT ON SOME OF IT. BUT YOU GOT YOU YOU IDENTIFIED THAT. SO I WAS VERY PLEASED TO SEE THAT PIECE OF IT. THE ONE THING THAT I WILL SAY IS THAT, YOU KNOW, ON WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE VISIONING STATEMENT, YOU HAD ALMOST TWO AND A HALF TIMES THE NUMBER OF PARTICIPANTS AS YOU DID IN THIS SURVEY. SO IT WAS WHEN I WENT BACK THROUGH 2019. SO I'M WONDERING IF WE, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE PROBABLY WANT TO GET MORE FEEDBACK FROM PEOPLE. THE OTHER PIECE OF IT WAS ON THE OTHER WHERE THEY THEY WERE NOT IN ANY BUCKET. IT WAS A LITTLE UNCLEAR FOR PEOPLE, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF THOSE ARE IN OUR CITY WHO ARE RENTERS THAT ON WHAT BOX THEY COULD BE BECAUSE IT WAS. ARE YOU A HOME? I THINK THE WAY THE QUESTION WAS WORDED IS IT WAS BEING, YOU KNOW, A HOMEOWNER AND THEY MAY BE A RENTER. AND SO THEY WEREN'T SURE HOW TO

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THANK YOU MAYOR. AND REAL QUICK COMMENT THAT YOU CAN LOOK THIS UP. HISTORICALLY WHEN YOU HAVE VERY LOW RESPONSE RATES, IT TYPICALLY MEANS THAT YOUR SATISFACTION AND APPROVAL RATING IS VERY HIGH. JUST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF TO FUSS ABOUT, WHICH IS THAT'S A GOOD THING. ALTHOUGH IT IT DOES IT DOES KIND OF HINDER PEOPLE GETTING INVOLVED. TO THOSE QUESTIONS. SO YES, MR. COUGHLIN HAVE A HORSE TO WATER PROBLEM AND THAT IS YOU CAN TRY TO LEAD THE HORSE TO WATER. BUT GETTING THE DRINKS A DIFFERENT ISSUE. AND I TEND TO AGREE WITH YOU THAT THERE'S BEEN AN AWFUL LOT OF PUBLICITY IN TOWN ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON. AND IF YOU TEND TO HEAR FROM DISSATISFIED PEOPLE, MORE THAN SATISFIED PEOPLE. SO IT'S A REAL CHALLENGE. I'M VERY SYMPATHETIC WITH MR. SCHULTZ, BECAUSE I DO AGREE THAT THE TIMING OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS WAS NOT WHAT I WOULD HAVE CHOSEN. I WOULD HAVE CHOSEN JANUARY, FEBRUARY OR MARCH, WHERE YOU AT LEAST INCREASE YOUR CHANCES OF PARTICIPATION. BUT EVEN IN THAT SEASON, WE ALL KNOW WE'RE CRAZY BUSY. SO I DON'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S GOING TO TAKE SOME INTERESTING CHANGES TO GET PEOPLE TO SHOW UP. YES. AND THAT'S PROOF BY THE AMOUNT OF PUBLIC THAT'S IN THIS ROOM TODAY. SO WITH THAT I'M GOING TO MOVE ON. WELL LET'S JUST QUICK GOING DOOR TO DOOR MEETING WITH PEOPLE. THE ISSUES ARE GROWTH RESILIENCY. SO OKAY GET EVERYWHERE THAT THAT SEEMS TO BE AS COUNCILMEMBER PETROFF MENTIONED, THAT SEEMS TO BE VERY CONSISTENT WITH ALL THE DOORS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE I'M TALKING TO. THOSE TWO ISSUES ARE THE BIG DOGS. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND WE DO HAVE A MEETING COMING UP FEBRUARY 12TH. THIS IS TWO WORKSHOPS COMING UP ON FEBRUARY 12TH SIMILAR TO THE LAST ONE WAS SET UP FOR TWO. YEAH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME UPCOMING. OKAY. I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. WE WANT TO CONTINUE ON YOUR COMPLETE. THANK YOU. WE WE SPOKE ON THIS SLIDE, BUT THESE ARE JUST QUESTIONS THAT WERE JUST PULLED OUT OF THE QUESTIONNAIRE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE MORE DETAIL OF INFORMATION IN THERE. THIS ONE SHOWS ABOUT 36% OF RESIDENTS HAVE LIVED IN NAPLES LESS THAN TEN YEARS, WHILE THE LARGEST GROUP HAVE LIVED IN THE CITY EITHER 11 TO 20 YEARS OR MORE. AND THEN WE SHOW HERE THAT NEARLY 60% RESIDE WITHIN THE CITY OF NAPLES, EITHER 6 TO 9 MONTHS OF THE YEAR OR FULL TIME. THIS IS INFORMATION FROM THE IN-PERSON MEETING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW. THE LARGEST SHARE OF RESPONDENTS REPORTED BEING 70 TO 79 YEARS OLD, FOLLOWED BY THOSE IN THE AGE RANGE OF 60 TO 69. AGE RANGE. I JUST WANTED TO CORRECT THE RECORD. WHEN YOU TAKE A THOUSAND AND DIVIDE IT BY THE CITY'S POPULATION, IT'S ACTUALLY 5%. SO WE HAD A 5% RESPONSE RATE, NOT TWO, WHICH IS AGAIN PRETTY SIGNIFICANT FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS. I WANTED TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE COMMON THEMES THAT WE HEARD, AND YOU ALL SORT OF MENTIONED THOSE AS WELL. WE TALKED ABOUT THE WHAT SMALL TOWN CHARM MEANS TO THE COMMUNITY. AND THESE COMMON THEMES COME FROM BOTH THE MENTIMETER EXERCISE, WHICH IS THE IN-PERSON QUESTIONNAIRE, WHICH IS THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT WERE ON THE ONLINE QUESTIONNAIRE. MANY ARE INSPIRED BY NAPLES SMALL TOWN CHARM AND THE EXTRAORDINARY QUALITY OF LIFE THE RESIDENTS ENJOY SPENDING TIME WITH NATURE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS AND IN DIFFERENT SOCIAL DESTINATIONS, AND SOME OF THE TREASURED PLACES THAT PEOPLE FELT WERE BEST REPRESENTED IN NAPLES, WHERE THE BEACHES AND WATERWAYS, PARKS AND GREEN SPACES, SHOPPING, DINING, DOWNTOWN AREAS, ARTS AND CULTURE, AND CIVIC AMENITIES. THERE WAS CLEAR CONSENSUS THAT NAPLES SMALL TOWN CHARM IS ROOTED IN PHYSICAL SCALE, THE NEIGHBORHOOD STRUCTURE, OPEN SPACE, AND COMMUNITY CULTURE.

MOST FELT THAT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTS OR SOMEWHAT REPRESENTS THE SMALL

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PARTICIPANTS INDICATED THAT THEY FEEL SAFER WITH INSTALLATION OF FLOOD PANELS, ELEVATING STRUCTURES AND ELECTRIC GENERATORS, INSTALLING SALT TOLERANT PLANTS, ROOF STRAPS AND SHUTTERS. SOME OF THE CHALLENGES THEY FELT WERE STORM DRAINAGE IMPEDIMENTS, OBSOLETE INFRASTRUCTURE, A SLOW EMERGENCY AND RECOVERY RESPONSE WHICH INCLUDED POWER, INTERNET, CELL PHONES AND ELEVATORS IN PARTICULAR FOR SOME OF THE HIGH RISE CONDOS AND POLLUTION ACTION STEPS THEY FELT RAISING SEAWALL HEIGHTS, IMPROVING DRAINAGE, ELEVATING STRUCTURES, HARDENING CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, HAVING MORE ACCESSIBLE COMMUNICATION DURING EVENTS AND AFTER EVENTS AND BEFORE EVENTS. BEACH RESILIENCY SUCH AS BREAKERS, PLANTINGS AND BERMS, AND EXPEDITED RECOVERY PERMITTING. AND THEN THE THIRD GROUP TABLE EXERCISE RELATED TO THE GREEN JEWEL CONCEPT. THE FINAL GROUP EXPLORED THE VISION PRIORITY OF MAKING NAPLES THE GREEN JEWEL OF SOUTHWEST FLORIDA. ATTENDEES WORKED TOGETHER TO EXPLORE LOCATIONS THAT THEY FELT REPRESENTED THE BEST AND WORST EXAMPLES, AND THEN LIST FEATURES THAT SHOULD

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NEWER DEVELOPMENT. TIN CITY, THE RIVERFRONT AREA, HIGH MAINTENANCE PLANTS THAT COST A LOT OF DEBRIS OR DIED DURING STORMS, INVASIVE SPECIES, REDEVELOPMENT OF GOLF COURSES AND LITTERING OF THE BAY. ACTION STEPS INCLUDED PROMOTING RESILIENT PLANTINGS, REQUIRING MORE GREEN SPACE, BUYING MORE LAND FOR PARKS, RESTORING BEACHES AND DUNES, PREVENTING RUNOFF OF FERTILIZERS AND OTHER RUNOFF, ENFORCING WATERWAY CLEANUP USING SHADE TREES AND NOT PALMS. ADDRESSING RED TIDE. GETTING EDUCATION OUT THERE ABOUT IT, AND MANGROVES AGAIN.

THEMES THAT NEEDED MORE IN-DEPTH CONSIDERATION AND THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO EXPLORE MORE DURING OUR ROUND TWO ENGAGEMENT. BALANCING GROWTH AND COMMUNITY CHARACTER.

PROMOTING RESILIENCY CITYWIDE, ENHANCING GREENERY AND OPEN SPACE, AND OTHER THEMES THAT WERE FROM THE VISION VALIDATION SECTION OF THE NAPLES 2045 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EVALUATION SUMMARY REPORT THAT WE PROVIDED IN PHASE ONE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE WAYS TO IMPROVE TRANSPORTATION OPTIONS, IMPROVING QUALITY OF LIFE, AND ENSURING AIRPORT COMPATIBILITY.

NOW WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LEANNE COME UP AND DISCUSS SOME FURTHER THOUGHTS AND SEEK DIRECTION ON STRATEGIES REGARDING COMMUNITY CHARACTER. THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THAT. YOU I DON'T KNOW WHAT SLIDE IT WAS, BUT THE SUMMARY OF THE ROUND TABLE COMMUNITY RESPONSES, THE THREE TABLE EXERCISES. WHAT DOES THE ONE IN RED MEAN BY OH WAIT, SORRY, IT'S THE ONE THAT'S THAT SAYS U.S AT FIFTH AVENUE AND WE'RE NOT PART OF IT WAS IN RED.

I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THE NOT PART OF. YEAH YEAH THAT IT IT'S NOT A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE GREEN JEWEL. AND MORE GREENERY SHOULD BE ADDED TO IT IS WHAT THE BASIC THOUGHTS WERE THAT WE HEARD. THANK YOU. OKAY. WELCOME. LEANNE KING AGAIN WITH CLARION ASSOCIATES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR GIVING US THIS OPPORTUNITY TO TALK WITH YOU. THIS IS A REALLY CRITICAL POINT IN THE PROCESS TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL AND PLANNING BOARD, PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD WITH RESPECT TO THESE ISSUES. SO AGAIN, I'M GOING TO BE FOCUSING ON CHARACTER AND LAND USE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND HAVE SOME INITIAL IDEAS TO SHARE WITH YOU. BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE'VE RECEIVED THUS FAR FOR YOUR KIND OF CONTEMPLATION AND FEEDBACK. BEFORE I DO THAT, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED TO SHARE. WE TOOK SOME OF THE DATA YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE HERE THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER RESPONDENTS FELT THAT THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, IF THEY WERE A RESIDENT WITHIN THE CITY, WHETHER THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD REFLECTED SMALL TOWN CHARM. AND WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THAT BY NEIGHBORHOOD TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THERE MIGHT BE DIFFERENCES OF OPINION ACROSS NEIGHBORHOODS. JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE DATA HERE. THESE ARE THE RAW NUMBERS THAT YOU'RE SEEING. EXCUSE ME FOR ANY RESPONDENT THAT ANSWERED THIS QUESTION AND THE CHOICES TO THE QUESTION, IS YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD A GOOD EXAMPLE OF CHARACTERISTICS THAT REPRESENT SMALL TOWN CHARM? WE'RE YES, SOMEWHAT AND NO. AND THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY MORE PEOPLE THAT PARTICIPATED IN SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS. HENCE THEY HAVE KIND OF HIGHER NUMBERS WITHIN THOSE AND SOME THAT HAD FEWER PARTICIPANTS WITH LOWER NUMBERS. I THINK WHAT'S IMPORTANT, WHAT WAS KIND OF INTERESTING FOR ME TO LOOK AT IS, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S STRONG YESES IN, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY MUCH ACROSS THE BOARD. THERE ARE A COUPLE NEIGHBORHOODS WITH KIND OF LESS STRONG YESES, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF SOMEWHAT AND I THINK A LOT OF WHAT WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO BE DIVING INTO WITHIN THIS DISCUSSION IS WHAT IS THE SOMEWHAT TELL US WHERE ARE THERE KIND OF ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE WANT TO BE MAKING WITH RESPECT TO MAINTAINING CHARACTER THAT RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY WOULD LIKE TO SEE MOVING FORWARD? AND I THINK SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT CHRISSY JUST SHARED WITH RESPECT TO THE PLACES THAT THEY FEEL ARE GOOD EXAMPLES AND MAYBE NOT SO GOOD EXAMPLES, ARE KIND OF INSTRUCTIVE FOR THIS DISCUSSION AS WELL. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A REMINDER. WHEN WE THINK ABOUT COMMUNITY CHARACTER, WE TRY TO KIND OF FRAME THAT IN THREE MAIN COMPONENTS DESIGN AND FORM, NATURAL FEATURES AND SOCIAL

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AND THINKING ABOUT CHARACTER AND WHAT MAKES AN AREA DISTINCTIVE AND UNIQUE, AND IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO CARRY FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE OR CHANGE HOW THAT EVOLUTION IS, IS HAPPENING IN DIFFERENT AREAS. SO ONE THING THAT WE KIND OF GLEANED FROM THIS INFORMATION, AND I THINK FROM YOUR, YOU KNOW, THE VISIONING GUIDE THAT YOU ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE THAT SETS THE VISION FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TODAY IS THINKING ABOUT SCALE OF DEVELOPMENT AND SITE COVERAGE. THE CURRENTLY ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROVIDES GUIDANCE FOR LOT COVERAGE FOR SOME USE LAND USE CATEGORIES, BUT NOT ALL. AND IF WE LOOK TO KIND OF YOUR ORDINANCE LOT COVERAGE IS REALLY DEFINED AS THE BUILDING COVERAGE. THINKING ABOUT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, A ROOFED AREA. SO NOT JUST HARDSCAPE BUT BUT AN ACTUAL ENCLOSED STRUCTURE. THAT IS KIND OF HOW WE DEFINE LOT COVERAGE. ANOTHER CONSIDERATION IS LOOKING AT WHAT WE CALL IMPERVIOUS, IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COVERAGE. THOSE ARE NOT ACTUALLY INCLUDED IN THE PLAN. THERE'S NO POLICY GUIDANCE IN THE CURRENTLY ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH RESPECT TO IMPERVIOUS SURFACE COVERAGE. SO I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF GRAPHICS HERE JUST TO ILLUSTRATE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE CONCEPTS TO KIND OF GIVE YOU SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT. SO AGAIN, LOT COVERAGE IS THE PERCENTAGE OF A LOT OR PARCEL OF LAND THAT'S COVERED OR OCCUPIED BY BUILDINGS. SO THIS IS AN EXAMPLE HERE. YOU CAN SEE IN THE BLUE THAT'S REALLY THE LOT COVERAGE THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT COVERAGE FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. YES. YOU KNOW ON THE ON THE LOT COVERAGE PIECE OF IT THERE. THERE'S A PIECE I THINK THAT MIGHT BE MISSING. AND THAT'S THE YOU KNOW LOT YOU HAVE WE HAVE LOT COVERAGE. BUT THEN THERE'S STUFF THAT IS BUILDING THAT DOESN'T COUNT LIKE PORCHES WITH NO THAT DO NOT HAVE WINDOWS. SOME OF THESE OVERHANGS, BAY WINDOWS THAT DON'T TOUCH THE GROUND. AND SO YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT THIS BLUE SHADED AREA THAT IS LOT COVERAGE. AND IF YOU WERE REALLY DOING THIS THE WAY PEOPLE BUILD TODAY, YOU MIGHT HAVE A PINK AREA WHERE STUFF GOES ON, LIKE LEGO BLOCKS COVERING ALMOST THE ENTIRE SURFACE WITH BUILDING, WITH BUILDINGS. THE ACTUALLY IT'S BUILDING THAT DOESN'T COUNT. AND SO I THINK THAT HAS GROWN OVER TIME. AND, YOU KNOW, JUST I THINK THAT THAT PEOPLE DON'T SEE JUST LOT COVERAGE WHEN THEY WALK BY OR WHEN THEY EXPERIENCE THIS BUILDING, THEY ARE SEEING THE WHOLE THING. OKAY. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT IN OUR, IN OUR CODES. BUT THAT IS A BIG GAP THAT'S MISSING. MISS MARTIN WANTED TO. YEAH, I THINK I HAVE THE BENEFIT OF SEEING THE PREVIEW OF HER NEXT SLIDE. JUST MOVE IT CLOSER. SO I THINK SHE'S NOT ON. I CAN I HAVE THE BENEFIT OF SEEING THE NEXT SLIDE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU. AND IT'S AN EXAMPLE OF A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. WE DO STRANGELY HAVE A DIFFERENT LOT COVERAGE AND OR BUILDING AREA CALCULATION FOR MULTIFAMILY AND COMMERCIAL THAN WE DO FOR SINGLE FAMILY. SO YOU ARE CORRECT, ON A SINGLE FAMILY HOME YOU WILL HAVE A COVERED LANAI THAT IS SCREENED INSTEAD OF WALLS. DOES NOT COUNT. A COVERED ENTRYWAY HELD BY COLUMNS DOESN'T COUNT TOWARDS YOUR LOT COVERAGE. YOU ARE CORRECT TO CLARIFY THAT DEFINITION HASN'T CHANGED. HOW THAT CODE HAS BEEN APPLIED HASN'T CHANGED. WHAT HAS CHANGED IS THE TREND OR TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. WHAT YOU USED TO SEE IN HOMES IN FLORIDA STANDARD WAS YOU'D HAVE YOUR HOME AND THEN YOU'D HAVE A LITTLE POOL, AND THEN YOU'D HAVE A BACKYARD AND STUFF LIKE THAT. WHAT WE SEE NOW IS ALMOST EVERY HOME WANTS TO HAVE WHAT WE CALL THE RESORT STYLE POOL, WHERE ESSENTIALLY FROM THE BACK OF YOUR HOUSE TO YOUR SEAWALL IS POOL DECK, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR CABANA AND YOUR SPA AND ALL THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS. SO THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT HAS CHANGED. THE REGULATION HAS REMAINED THE SAME. THAT HASN'T CHANGED. IT'S JUST HOW PEOPLE HAVE APPLIED. IT HAS CHANGED. SO I AGREE, IF THAT'S THE TREND, THEN WE NEED TO ADJUST HOW WE'RE REGULATING THAT. I THINK THE ONE I FORGET WHAT YEAR YOU DID IT. WAS IT 2020 OR. NO IT WAS IT HAD TO BE 2022 THAT WE'VE DONE IT A FEW TIMES. YEAH, YOU HAD DONE IT. A PICTURE TELLS A THOUSAND WORDS AND THAT WAS THAT. I KEEP REFERRING TO. IT'S AN EXCELLENT DOCUMENT THAT KIND OF SHOWS FOR, YOU KNOW, JUST EXACTLY WHAT WHAT IS TRENDING. AND WE DID AND I'VE DISCUSSED THIS WITH THE CONSULTANT AS WELL. WE HAVE OVER THE YEARS HAD A COUPLE OF CONVERSATIONS WITH, YOU KNOW, THROUGH WORKSHOPS AND WITH CITY COUNCIL ABOUT IS IS IT IS THE ISSUE THAT WE'RE TRYING TO SOLVE STORMWATER? NO, BECAUSE WE AMENDED OUR STORMWATER REGULATIONS. SO YOU CAN STILL MEET NOW OUR VERY STRICT STORMWATER REGULATIONS WITHOUT HAVING A BLADE OF GRASS ON YOUR SITE. YOU CAN TRAIN, YOU CAN DO ALL THIS. YOU CAN, YOU KNOW,

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AND I THINK WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT AND TRYING TO GLEAN FROM PEOPLE IS WHAT IT IS, IS A GREEN SPACE. IT'S AN OPEN SPACE AND A GREEN SPACE ISSUE. IT'S THE PERCEPTION THAT WHEN YOU DRIVE BY, PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO SEE ENTIRELY COVERED, PAVED PROPERTIES. THEY WANT TO SEE MORE OF THAT GREEN SPACE AND A LITTLE MORE OPENNESS. AND SO THAT IS TO WHAT LEANNE WAS TALKING ABOUT. THAT'S A GREEN SPACE REQUIREMENT THAT IS SAYING, YOU KNOW, IF YOU IF YOUR LOT IS ONE ACRE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF THAT, YOU KNOW, GREEN SPACE, NOT PLANTERS THAT ARE BUILT UP, NOT POOL DECK, NOT, BUT TRUE LAWN OR PLANTINGS, ACTUAL GREEN SPACE. AND WE'VE NEVER ACTUALLY BEEN ABLE TO GET THAT PAST THE FINISH LINE WITH RESPECT TO AMENDING THE CODE. AND WITH THAT, THANK YOU, MISS MARTIN, FOR EVERYONE. I THINK THAT MR. YOUNG AND MISS MORTON TAKE NOTE THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE ARE GOING TO WORKSHOP AND IT'S IT REALLY IS A PRIORITY. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT. I APPRECIATE THAT. COUNCILMAN KRAMER. I JUST HAVE TO SAY, IT'S INTERESTING THAT A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE FUSSING ABOUT THAT HAVE BUILT COMPLETELY OUT ON THEIR LOTS AND DONE EVERYTHING THAT THEY DON'T WANT OTHERS TO DO. AND SO THE HYPOCRISY IS OVERWHELMING SOMETIMES. SO I WOULD SUGGEST THEY BUY THE SMALLER HOUSES THAT ARE STILL AVAILABLE WHEREVER AND WHEN THEY SELL THEIR HOUSE THAT'S BUILT THE WAY THEY DON'T WANT OTHERS TO DO IT. THEY CAN TAKE THAT MONEY.

AND OF COURSE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD ON SUCH A SMALLER FOOTPRINT, THEY'LL ACTUALLY MAKE A PROFIT ON THAT TINY LITTLE HOUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD, SHRINKING THE SETBACKS.

SO I ENCOURAGE ALL OF THOSE FOLKS TO DO THAT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. AND THEN WE WILL HAVE NO PROBLEM WHATSOEVER. THE CITY WILL BE IN PERFECT BALANCE. WELL, I WOULD ALSO SAY THERE'S TWO PARTS TO THAT. AND THE OTHER PART IS DEVELOPERS AND THE SPECTRUM. I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPERS. RIGHT. THAT'S EXACTLY THE WELL, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TWO SEPARATE CODES, AS ERICA WAS TALKING ABOUT, BETWEEN COMMERCIAL AND OR MULTIFAMILY MULTIFAMILY VERSUS I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPERS ON SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND THAT'S WHERE WE SEE A LOT OF THIS. IT SEEMS TO BE THE VALUE IN THE MARKET IS HAVING MORE OF THOSE AMENITIES, LESS OF THE LAWN, LESS OF THE GREEN SPACE AND MORE OF THE AMENITIES, THE PATIOS, THE YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, WE SEE IT ON ALL THE PLANS. RESORT STYLE POOL. RIGHT? YEAH. AND I WOULD SAY THAT'S WHERE WE SEE THE MOST OF THE HYPOCRISY AS WELL. WELL, I COULD GET INTO DETAILS, BUT THAT'S WHY I THINK THERE ARE NINE SPEC HOMES AT $18 MILLION ON MY STREET, BECAUSE SOMETIMES WE TRY AND GUESSTIMATE WHAT THE COMMUNITY MIGHT WANT, AND SOMETIMES WE GET IT WRONG. SO I THINK WE WANT TO WORK WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, THE DEVELOPERS, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PRODUCT IS WHAT OUR RESIDENTS OR NEW RESIDENTS ARE LOOKING FOR. I DON'T WANT TO DEBATE THAT, BUT THAT'S COUNCIL MEMBER KRISEMAN.

YES. I THINK OUR CONSULTANTS ARE LOOKING FOR FEEDBACK ON THESE DIFFERENT CONCEPTS LIKE COMMUNITY CHARACTER. IN THIS CASE, LOT SIZE. IS THAT WHERE WE ARE LOT COVERAGE. SO THE I THINK TO THE REGARDING THE THE POINT THAT COUNCILMAN KRAMER JUST MADE, I THINK THE PERTINENT PART OF WHAT HE SAID, I AGREE WITH, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, THE MARKET SPEAKS AND I THINK WHAT ERICA JUST SAID WAS THAT AND WE KNOW IT IS THAT PEOPLE WANT BIGGER HOUSES AND THEY WANT TO PUT MORE HOUSE ON THE LOTS. YOU KNOW, I LIVE IN A HOUSE I'VE LIVED IN FOR 25 YEARS IN OLD NAPLES, AND IT HAS. IT'S A SMALL HOUSE WITH A BIG YARD AND LOTS OF GREEN SPACE, AND THAT'S WHAT I LIKE. BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE OBVIOUSLY WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE SEEING IN THE MARKET. AND MAYBE IT'LL CHANGE SOMEDAY. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING NOW. BUT BUT I THINK ONE THING I'M WANT TO ASK ABOUT IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HERE. BUT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN ANY CONTEXT, IN THIS CASE LOT COVERAGE, WE IMMEDIATELY START THINKING ABOUT CODE, RIGHT? WHERE DO WE GO FROM CODE. AND WE'VE ALREADY HAD ONE SWING AND MISS AT LOT COVERAGE AS A COUNCIL SEVERAL YEARS AGO. AND IT WAS GOOD THAT WE MISSED BECAUSE IT WAS GOING TO CREATE A LOT OF PROBLEMS FOR US IF WE PURSUED IT. AND WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE RULES WITH RESPECT TO SOMETHING LIKE LOT COVERAGE, YOU YOU RUN SMACK INTO THE ISSUE OF. PROPERTY RIGHTS AND THE THE PERCEPTION, ANYWAY, OF DIMINISHED PROPERTY VALUES. AND I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON

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SO I THINK IT'S JUST IMPORTANT TO BE VERY KIND OF OPEN, HONEST, TRANSPARENT ABOUT THE FACT THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS, THEY'RE HARD QUESTIONS. THEY'RE NOT. IT WOULDN'T TAKE THIS MANY PEOPLE IF IT WERE EASY. RIGHT. WE NEED A LOT OF PEOPLE KIND OF THINKING AND TALKING ABOUT THIS STUFF. SO WE'LL KIND OF TRY TO GUIDE. THE GOOD NEWS IS I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF CHARACTER AND RESILIENCY OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE IN ALIGNMENT AS WELL. SO I THINK THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT PEOPLE IN YOUR COMMUNITY SEEM VERY SUPPORTIVE OF HAVING MORE GREEN SPACE, AND THAT'S GOING TO BENEFIT RESILIENCY IN A LOT OF WAYS. SO ANYWAY, WE'LL WE'LL YES. THANK YOU. I HAVE FOWLER. MR. FOWLER, JUST A QUICK COMMENT ON THE LOT COVERAGE. I UNDERSTAND WITH WHAT COUNCILMAN KRISEMAN IS SAYING, BUT BUT I WOULD URGE THAT WE ON THE SIDE OF RESILIENCY AND, AND REALLY TAKE A VERY CAREFUL LOOK AT, AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WOULD LEAD TO CODE THAT WOULD TRY TO REIN IN SOME OF THE WRETCHED EXCESS. AND BECAUSE MY POINT OF VIEW IS IF WE IF WE DON'T GET IT RIGHT ON RESILIENCY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE MUCH OF A CITY TO PROTECT IN 2045. AND SO I THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE A VERY CAREFUL LOOK ON GETTING THE RIGHT BALANCE, BUT DO HAVE A BALANCE THAT SERIOUSLY CONSIDERS RESILIENCY. OKAY.

LET'S MOVE FORWARD. JUST TWO THINGS. ONE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LOT COVERAGE. BUT OVERALL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT GREEN SPACE AS WELL. AND I THINK MAYBE WE OUGHT TO INCLUDE IT IN OUR EXERCISE. YOU KNOW WHAT GREEN SPACE COULD BE INVESTMENT IN OUR TAX DOLLARS AND EXPANSION OF PARKS. IT COULD BE IN YOU KNOW, IT WAS MENTIONED A COUPLE TIMES, YOU KNOW, PALM TREES TO AND I KNOW HEATHER SHIELDS IS ALL OVER THIS. SO I'M GOING TO GIVE HER A PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT TO TO SHADE TREES. AND MAYBE WE CAN TIGHTEN, YOU KNOW SOME OF THOSE UP TO GET TO TO TRY TO BE, YOU KNOW, BE THE CONTINUE TO BE THE GREEN JEWEL IN DIFFERENT MANNERS. I THINK WE NEED TO THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX. OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO FINISH THIS SHORT DISCUSSION ON KIND OF THE DIFFERENCES BETWEEN BUILDING FOOTPRINT AND IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. AND WE DO AS MISS MARTIN MENTIONED, WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE THAT'S SINGLE FAMILY.

SO FOR FOR THIS EXAMPLE THE BLUE AGAIN IS THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT. THE YELLOW AREAS ARE HARDSCAPE. SO THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT KIND OF CONSIDERED CONSIDERED AS LOT COVERAGE.

THEY ARE HARDSCAPE. THEY ARE NOT GREEN SPACE. SO THERE'S YOU KNOW SOME DIFFERENT DEFINITIONS THAT ARE REALLY IMPORTANT TO THINK ABOUT WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE DESIGN OF A PLACE.

AND THE OTHER KIND OF PIECE TO THIS IS IMPERVIOUS SURFACE DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN OPEN SPACE EITHER, BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE THINGS. IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW YOU DEFINE IT. SO FOR EXAMPLE, YOU CAN HAVE I'LL SHOW YOU THIS EXAMPLE. THIS IS ACTUALLY A HOME IN BOCA RATON. BUT YOU CAN

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YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT IN BLUE. THE YELLOW IS THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. SO AGAIN THIS IS A A POOL DECK THAT GOES TO THE SEAWALL. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE ON THE KIND OF DRIVEWAY SIDE THERE IS HARDSCAPE. AGAIN WE'RE NOT EXACTLY SURE IF THAT'S DETERMINED TO BE PERVIOUS OR IMPERVIOUS. BUT THERE'S VERY LITTLE OPEN SPACE ON THIS LOT.

AND SO THIS IS AGAIN, KIND OF ONE OF THE TRENDS THAT WE'RE SEEING IN DEVELOPMENTS THROUGHOUT, YOU KNOW, FLORIDA. AND THE QUESTION IS DO WE WANT TO HAVE SOME RULES IN PLACE, SOME, YOU KNOW, POLICY IN PLACE WITHIN THIS COMMUNITY THAT WOULD MAYBE LIMIT OR GUIDE DEVELOPMENT TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT IF IF GIVEN THE CHANCE. SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS TO THINK ABOUT AND THIS IS STRATEGIES TO ADDRESS COMMUNITY RESPONSES.

THESE ARE AGAIN INITIAL IDEAS SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION. THESE ARE NOT HARD RECOMMENDATIONS AT THIS POINT. ONE IDEA IS TO ADD POLICIES LIMITING LOT COVERAGE AND IMPERVIOUS AREA FOR CHARACTER BENEFITS. YOU COULD ALSO HAVE OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS ON DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEVELOPMENTS. SO, YOU KNOW, SOME INITIAL THINKING IS, YOU KNOW, GUIDANCE FOR LOT COVERAGE WITHIN A FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES WITH MORE INTENSIVE DEVELOPMENT. SO THINKING ABOUT COMMERCIAL MIXED USE AND MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENTS.

ANOTHER WOULD BE GUIDANCE FOR KIND OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE LIMITATIONS ON ALL DEVELOPMENT SITES COMMERCIAL MIXED USE MULTIFAMILY SINGLE FAMILY AS WELL. AGAIN, WE CAN ALSO CONSIDER OPEN SPACE REQUIREMENTS, WHICH IS MORE FORMAL. WE WANT TO SEE GREEN SPACE WITH DIRT UNDER IT OR SAND OR WHATEVER THE NATURAL MATERIAL IS. THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN THE THAN PERVIOUS SURFACE, POTENTIALLY. SO. SO THE I'LL MOVE ON IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS. I DO HAVE A QUESTION. COUNCILMEMBER. I'M TRYING TO CAPTURE YOUR ATTENTION OVER THERE. CAN YOU PLEASE. YEAH, SURE. I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PAGE. THIS IS A PROPERTY RIGHTS STATEMENT, AND I'M NOT SO SURE THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE QUITE SO EASILY ATTAINED FOR EXACTLY THAT REASON. AND I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT YOUR EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN RELATIVE TO TRYING TO IMPLEMENT THESE SUGGESTIONS IN A STATE WHERE PROPERTY RIGHTS ARE PARAMOUNT, RIGHT? GOOD QUESTION. SO LIKE I SAID, IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION AT THE COMMUNITY LEVEL. I THINK THAT. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING PROCESS ALLOWS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR A COMMUNITY TO TO DEFINE THE CHARACTER THAT THEY WANT TO PROTECT AND THAT THEY WANT TO SEE MOVING FORWARD. SO I THINK THAT THERE IS SOME OPPORTUNITY TO BE THINKING ABOUT CHARACTER IN THE WAY THAT CHARACTER IS DEFINED. AS YOU MOVE THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, I HEAR LOUD AND CLEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE IS AN ELEMENT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT SPEAKS SPECIFICALLY TO THE ISSUE OF PROPERTY RIGHTS. SO THERE'S AN IMPORTANT BALANCING ACT THERE. YES. SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, TO TO DIRECTLY ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, I THINK THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES. I THINK THEY HAVE TO BE MEASURED OPPORTUNITIES. AND YOU HAVE TO THINK THROUGH SPECIFICALLY HOW WHAT THOSE LIMITATIONS AND THOSE TRADE OFFS. SO AS WE PROCEED, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO BRING THAT ELEMENT IN TO THE DISCUSSION TO MAKE SURE THAT IN FACT AND IN REALITY, WHAT WE'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO IS NOT GOING TO IS GOING TO SUCCEED AND IS NOT GOING TO BE CALLED INTO QUESTION AS TO WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS A TAKING, BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU THERE I'VE HAD EXPERIENCE WITH THAT. SURE. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER PENNIMAN'S COMMENTS NEED TO BE CONSIDERED HIGHLY, I CAN TELL YOU UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT IS A PROPERTY RIGHTS VERSUS RESILIENCY AND THE CAUSE AND EFFECT OF OVERDEVELOPMENT ON PROPERTIES. SO THANK YOU. CAN I MAYOR CAN I JUST I JUST WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO GET IT. I'M NOT GETTING INTO ARGUMENT I'M ADDING TO CONVERSATION. THANK YOU. I WANT TO BUILD ON WHAT COUNCILWOMAN PENNIMAN SAID, AND ALSO GO BACK TO WHAT MR. FOWLER SAID, BECAUSE I AGREE WITH HIM IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT RESILIENCY, AND TO ME, RESILIENCY. IT MEANS A LOT OF THINGS TO DIFFERENT

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THEY MAKE IT LINK TO OTHER AREAS, BUT NOT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO WE'RE OFF THE MARK QUALITATIVE AND WE'RE OFF THE MARK QUANTITATIVE. SO MY CONCERN IS WHAT WE END UP WITH AT THE END. WE'RE GOING TO GET A REPORT AND A SUMMARY THAT WE ALL BELIEVE IN. BUT IT'S NOT RELATED TO WHAT THE JOB WE'RE DOING, WHICH IS BUILDING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. BECAUSE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IF BUILT CORRECTLY, WILL BE THE SWORD AND THE SHIELD, THE SWORD TO ALLOW US TO CUT THROUGH TO THE AREAS THAT WE NEED TO CUT THROUGH, AND THE SHIELD TO DEFEND THE AREAS THAT WE NEED TO DEFEND. BUT THIS ISN'T IT. THIS ISN'T ENABLING US TO GET THERE, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GETTING THE PEOPLE WHO NEED TO PARTICIPATE FIRST OF ALL, THE QUANTITY. AND THEN WHEN THEY DO PARTICIPATE, WE'RE ASKING THEM QUESTIONS WHICH ARE NOT RELEVANT TO WHAT HIS MEMBERS WERE TRYING TO BUILD A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND I TAKE THOSE COMMENTS. ABSOLUTELY. PROBABLY THE THING THAT WE NEED TO FOCUS IN ON WHEN WE COME

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THANK YOU. OKAY I DID WANT TO RESPOND JUST BRIEFLY ON THE THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT QUESTIONS. I THINK LATER IN THIS DISCUSSION, THERE'S GOING TO BE WE'LL BE FOCUSING ON THE NEXT QUESTIONNAIRE. SO THERE'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON THAT, WHICH I THINK WILL BE VERY HELPFUL. WE I THINK PLANNERS HAVE AN INTERESTING CHALLENGE IN DOING PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, BECAUSE WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT ENGAGEMENT UNDERSTANDABLE TO THE LAYPERSON WHO'S COMPLETELY OUTSIDE THE SPHERE OF DEVELOPMENT AND DEVELOPMENT REVIEW AND DOESN'T UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE TERMS AND AND TRENDS THAT WE KIND OF SEE ON A REGULAR BASIS AND THAT YOU ALL DEAL WITH. SO WE NEED TO MAKE IT IN. WE NEED TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION OF THE QUESTIONS AND LANGUAGE THAT IS REAL TO THEM AND UNDERSTANDABLE TO THEM. WE ALSO NEED TO KEEP THINGS SHORT AND SWEET, BECAUSE AS YOU SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THIS, WE SEE THIS EVERYWHERE WE GO. A LOT MORE PEOPLE ARE WANTING TO DO THIS ONLINE. THEY WANT TO SPEND LIMITED AMOUNT OF TIME ON THE SURVEY, SO WE CAN'T HAVE A LOT OF EXPLANATION AND A LOT OF WE'RE GOING TO EDUCATE YOU. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO KIND OF REALLY KEEP THIS STUFF SIMPLE. SO IN DOING THAT, SOMETIMES THE QUESTIONS LOOK LIKE THEY ARE UNRELATED TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I THINK WE, AS THE TEAM, TAKE IT AS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO TRANSLATE WHAT THAT WHAT THAT INFORMATION IS TELLING US AND HOW THAT KIND OF FEEDS INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ITSELF. THAT BEING SAID, WE WELCOME YOUR INPUTS TO BETTER REFINE THESE QUESTIONS SO THAT WE CAN MAKE THEM MORE DIRECT AND KIND OF HELPFUL IN TERMS OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE'RE GETTING AND HOW WE TRANSLATE THAT INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN MOVING FORWARD. OKAY. SO WITH RESPECT TO KIND OF CHARACTER, ANOTHER, AND I THINK THIS DEFINITELY KIND OF CONTINUES THE CONVERSATION IN TERMS OF LIKE THE BALANCING ACT WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS. BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT DID COME OUT OF THE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COMMUNITY'S COMMENTS WITH RESPECT TO INTENSITY OF DEVELOPMENT IS THINKING ABOUT BUILDING HEIGHT. AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR CURRENT POLICIES AND YOUR REGULATIONS DO HAVE BUILDING HEIGHTS. I BELIEVE IT'S 42FT FOR A LARGE PROPORTION OF YOUR COMMUNITY. THERE ARE SOME AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY THAT DO NOT HAVE THAT SAME LEVEL OF RESTRICTION. THE THE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SPECIFICALLY HEIGHT POLICIES APPLY TO THE DOWNTOWN MIXED USE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY HEIGHTS. NOT REALLY SOMETHING THAT'S ADDRESSED OR SPOKEN OF WITH RESPECT TO THE OTHER FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES. SO ONE IDEA IS DO WE WANT TO, IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, SPEAK TO HEIGHT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY AS PART OF KIND OF THINKING ABOUT HOW WE WE SHAPE COMMUNITY WITH? AGAIN, WE HAVE THE THE IMPORTANT PIECES THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT WITH RESPECT TO PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS AS WELL AS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER. RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR KEEPING THAT. BUT CAN YOU REFINE THAT STATEMENT YOU JUST MADE ABOUT HEIGHT POLICIES FOR ALL FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES? CORRECT. SO IN THE CURRENTLY ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOUR DOWNTOWN MIXED USE FUTURE

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SO CITY COUNCIL HAS ALREADY TAKEN THE STEP TO CLARIFY WITH THE CHARTER THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENTS ARE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS. AND NO MATTER WHAT TYPE OF BUILDING IS IN THAT PLAN DEVELOPMENT, IT IS STILL SUBJECT TO THE CHARTER. SO YOU WILL NOT SEE A RESIDENTIAL BUILDING IN A PLANNED DEVELOPMENT EXCEEDING 42FT MOVING FORWARD. SO THAT'S THE GOOD NEWS THERE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE ANY STEPS TO REGULATE THAT SPECIFICALLY. I THINK WHEN WE WENT THROUGH, YOU KNOW, TAKING A LOOK AT THE CITY AND SEEING WHERE WHERE DO WE SEE AREAS THAT I THINK PEOPLE ARE ARE DISPLEASED OR MAYBE A LITTLE BIT UNCOMFORTABLE WITH THE HEIGHT? I THINK WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT A LOT IS GULF SHORE BOULEVARD NORTH, THE MIRACLE MILE AREA, NOT DUE TO ANY CHANGES TO THE CODE, THOUGH THAT CODE HAS BEEN THE SAME.

THOSE BUILDINGS WERE PROBABLY JUST DEVELOPED UNDER WHAT THEY WERE ALLOWED TO AT THE TIME.

AND NOW WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS A LARGE RUSH OF REDEVELOPMENT DUE TO THE HURRICANES. AND NOW ALL THOSE BUILDINGS ARE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE HEIGHT THAT THAT WAS AFFORDED TO THEM. SO NOTHING HAS CHANGED. WE HAVEN'T, YOU KNOW, LOOSENED UP THE REGULATIONS ON GULF SHORE BOULEVARD. THOSE REGULATIONS WERE THERE. THEY WERE ALLOWED THE HEIGHT THAT THEY'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF NOW. THEY'RE JUST NOW THEY'RE REDEVELOPING AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, NO ONE'S GOING TO BUILD BACK A 28 FOOT BUILDING BECAUSE THOSE ARE THE ONES THAT ALL GOT DESTROYED.

YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST NOT REALISTIC. SO I THINK THAT'S AN AREA YOU COULD LOOK AT. BUT I DO JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT COUNCIL DID TAKE THE STEPS TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WILL NO LONGER SEE SOME OF THOSE PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE WHAT WE'RE CALLED OUT IN THAT SLIDE AS THE EXAMPLES OF WHAT IS NOT CONTRIBUTING, ESPECIALLY IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA, TO, WELL, NOT JUST THE DOWNTOWN ZONING DISTRICT, BUT WHAT WE CONSIDER THE DOWNTOWN AREA. THAT PROBLEM

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IF I COULD. MR. MCCONNELL, HOLD ON. I'M SORRY. SORRY. JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT WAS SAID, I WOULD NEVER ADVISE YOU TO IGNORE YOUR CHARTER. OF COURSE YOU WOULDN'T. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE THAT.

I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHEN IT COMES TO DEVELOPMENTS, THERE ARE WAYS TO ADOPT CODES TO MAYBE ALLOW FOR EXEMPTIONS OR CRITERIA THAT ONE COULD MEET, TO MAYBE GET CERTAIN BENEFITS OF SETBACKS. ET-CETERA. BUT THOSE DOCUMENTS CONTROL ALL THE DEVELOPMENT AND SHOULD ALWAYS BE IN MIND WHEN APPROVING THESE THINGS. THANK YOU. I HAVE VICE MAYOR CRAMER AND THEN MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THIS IS FOR YOU, ERICA. BASED ON THOSE STATEMENTS JUST MADE, THE DISCUSSION WAS AROUND BUILDING HEIGHTS. AND OUR CODE IS VERY EXPLICIT. NOW THERE'S DISCUSSION ABOUT ADDING HEIGHT POLICIES FOR ALL FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES. SO FIRST OUR CODE SAYS ONE THING. AND ARE WE DISCUSSING NOW THE NEED TO PUT A BELT AND SUSPENDERS AROUND THAT CODE BY PUTTING HEIGHT POLICIES ON ALL FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES? IN OTHER WORDS, IS THE CODE NOT ENOUGH? SO WHAT YOU HAVE HERE, YOU'LL SEE IF YOU GO IN UNDER THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, YOU HAVE THE DESCRIPTION OF EACH OF THE LAND USE CATEGORIES. SO YOU HAVE A SECTION OF THAT. THAT IS THE LAND USE DESIGNATION DESCRIPTION. AND YOU'LL SEE IN THOSE LAND USE DESIGNATION DESCRIPTIONS, I DON'T THINK THEY'RE THE CONSULTANT IS PROPOSING TO PUT A NUMERICAL LIMITATION ON HEIGHT. BUT YOU COULD PUT LANGUAGE IN THERE, YOU KNOW, CONTROLLING HIGH RISE, LOW RISE MID-RISE. YOU HAVE HIGH DENSITY AREAS, YOU HAVE LOW DENSITY AREAS. YOU COULD DO IT IN THAT WAY. OKAY. SO WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT YOU BE INCONSISTENT WITH YOUR CODE IN ANY WAY. BUT YOU COULD HELP DEFINE THOSE LAND USE CATEGORIES BY ADDRESSING YOUR EXPECTATION FOR HEIGHT IN THOSE CATEGORIES. OKAY. AND THEN WE MANY OF US KNOW ABOUT THE LIVE LOCAL ACT AND HOW THAT ALLOWS A CERTAIN HEIGHT BASED ON A DISTANCE. RIGHT. DOES THAT CIRCUMVENT OUR CODE IN ANY WAY? DOES IT CIRCUMVENT OUR CODE THAT ACTUALLY ALLOWS A SEPARATE APPLICATION? SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD SAY IT CIRCUMVENTS YOUR CODE, BUT IT ALLOWS YOU TO APPLY A DIFFERENT STANDARD TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. OKAY. WOULD THAT INVOLVE A ZONING CHANGE? IN SOME CASES, NO. WE ACTUALLY CANNOT REQUIRE THAT. A AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT THAT IS USING LIVE LOCAL DOES NOT REQUIRE AN ACTION BY CITY COUNCIL. IT IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL. OKAY, OUTSIDE OF ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVAL AND OUTSIDE OF THE THE THE THE DISTANCE. THAT'S PART OF THE LIVE LOCAL ACT. IF WE INTEND TO GO OUTSIDE OF THAT DISTANCE AND BRING IN ELEMENTS OF THE LIVE LOCAL ACT, WHAT WOULD THAT REQUIRE ON BEHALF OF YOU? YOU MEAN ADDRESS YOUR OWN REQUIREMENTS FOR OR YOUR OWN STANDARDS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING? BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN A PIECE OF PROPERTY. SURE. SO THERE'S WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION, I THINK, A COUPLE TIMES PRELIMINARILY WITH CITY COUNCIL ABOUT CREATING A AFFORDABLE HOUSING OR WORKFORCE HOUSING OR WHATEVER THE TERMINOLOGY. WE COME UP WITH CREATING A LAND USE DESIGNATION THAT WOULD GO INTO YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO THEN ALSO BE FOLLOWED WITH A ZONING DISTRICT THAT WOULD ADDRESS AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND COULD PROVIDE DIFFERENT HEIGHTS OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS YOU WANTED TO APPLY DENSITY, HEIGHTS, SETBACKS, HOW YOU PARKING REQUIREMENTS, HOWEVER YOU WANTED TO ADDRESS THAT, RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. MY POINT WAS THAT IF IF THERE IS INTEREST IN INCREASING BUILDING HEIGHTS THROUGHOUT OUR COMMUNITY, IT CAN BE DONE THROUGH WHAT KIND OF ACTION BY

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THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY. JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, MISS MARTIN, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE GENERALIZED FUTURE LAND USE. YES. AND THEN THAT WOULD TAKE US TO ALL THE POLICIES ON THE GENERALIZED FUTURE. LAND USE GIVES YOU A DESCRIPTION OF EACH OF THE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES. THANK YOU. I HOPE YOU'RE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD IS PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT. JUST REAL QUICK. IS IT FAIR TO SAY I WAS GOING TO ASK SIMILAR TO WHAT THE VICE MAYOR DID, IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT IF IT DOESN'T CIRCUMVENT, IT SUPERSEDES PREEMPT, PREEMPT? OKAY. LOOKING FOR THE RIGHT WORD. THANKS. AND THEN I WAS MORE THAN A YEAR AGO, YOU PROBABLY DON'T REMEMBER, BUT WE YOU SENT ME AND COACHED ME UP ON THE ALL THE HEIGHTS AND ESPECIALLY ON GULF SHORE, STARTING FROM MAYBE FLESHMAN PARK NORTH ON THE EAST END, WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD. AND WHAT A VERY DIFFERENT CHAOTIC MESS THAT IS. AND FOR THOSE THAT DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, PROBABLY KNOWS ALL ABOUT IT, BUT I WAS SHOCKED TO SEE HOW RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO EACH OTHER, THIS ONE CAN BE THREE STORIES. THAT ONE'S FIVE, THAT ONE'S TWO. AS IT SEEMS SO ARBITRARY, I ONLY MENTION THAT BECAUSE I THINK JUST IN THE COMMUNITY DRIVING AROUND, WHEN YOU SEE STUFF GOING UP THERE, THE THOUGHT WOULD BE LIKE, HOW COME THEY GET TO DO THAT? THEY'RE CHEATING WHEN THESE FOLKS AREN'T ABLE TO DO THAT AND I DON'T I'M NOT I'M NOT SAYING IF THEY'RE CHEATING OR NOT CHEATING, I'M JUST SAYING OUR CODE. AND YOU COULD VERIFY THAT IT'S A MESS. IT'S. WELL, IT'S.

I'M SORRY. IT'S A MESS. IT'S SHOCKING TO SEE THE DIFFERENT ZONING ALLOWANCES ON HEIGHTS.

YEAH. FROM LOUDERMILK NORTH TO THE END OF THE COUPLE. THINGS HAVE LED TO THAT. YOU HAVE YOU HAVE THE WEST SIDE OF GULF SHORE BOULEVARD. WE'LL CALL THE BEACH SIDE. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE OTHER SIDE, THE BAY SIDE, WE'LL CALL THE INTENTION THERE WAS THAT DEVELOPMENT WOULD STEP DOWN BECAUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE BAY IS SINGLE FAMILY. SO IT WAS INTENTIONAL THAT THE DEVELOPMENT ON THE EAST SIDE OF GULF SHORE BOULEVARD WOULD BE LOWER THAN ON THE THE WEST SIDE ALONG THE BEACH WAS ALWAYS ALLOWED TO BE HIGHER. THERE ARE THEN SOME ALLOWANCES IN THE CODE FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE ON THE WEST SIDE. IF YOU ACCOMPLISH CERTAIN THINGS, PUTTING PARKING UNDER YOUR BUILDING, ETC. THAT ALLOWS YOU TO GO UP A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.

AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE TWO DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS. SO YOU HAVE MORNINGS AND COQUINA. SO THERE'S DIFFERENT REGULATIONS FOR FOR THOSE. SO YEAH, IT'S IT'S PRETTY VARIED. I THINK YOU HAVE 5 OR 6 DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICTS WITH 5 OR 6 DIFFERENT HEIGHT LIMITATIONS ON THAT.

PRETTY VARIED. THANK YOU FOR THAT. IT'S PRETTY VARIED. I JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.

AND COUNCILMAN KRAMER, YOU'RE REFERRING TO MIRACLE MILE BASICALLY, BUT EVEN FARTHER THAN THAT. BUT YEAH, BASICALLY. THANK YOU. THERE. YEAH. JUST FOLLOWING UP ON A COMMENT FROM

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BUT IF IT WERE INCONSISTENT WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE MIGHT DEVELOP HERE AND PASS BY THE FLORIDA STATE LEGISLATURE OR CONFIRMED BY IT, THEN WE WOULD ABLE WE'D BE ABLE TO CONTROL OR AT LEAST INFLUENCE THE HEIGHT AND AND OTHER DEVELOPMENT IDEAS AROUND TOWN THROUGH AN EFFECTIVE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AM I RIGHT ON THOSE POINTS? SO I'M GOING TO DEFER ON THE CHARTER VERSUS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WELL, SO THE CHARTER IS A SUPERIOR IS A VERY SERIOUS SUPERIOR DOCUMENT, BUT IT INCLUDES A LOT OF THINGS OTHER THAN LAND DEVELOPMENT ISSUES. AND THAT CHARTER CAN ONLY BE CHANGED BY REFERENDUM WITH REGARD TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT IS YOUR SUPERIOR LEGISLATIVE DOCUMENT THAT DEALS WITH LAND DEVELOPMENT AND ALL THE THINGS THAT SUPPORT LAND DEVELOPMENT. AND TO I WOULDN'T SAY IT TRUMPS IT, BECAUSE YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE IS SUPPOSED TO BE SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO IMPLEMENT THOSE GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES THAT ARE IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

SO YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO DRAW A DIRECT LINE FROM YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICIES OR GOALS, OBJECTIVES. THAT'S HOW THEY'RE STRUCTURED, YOU KNOW, GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES TO YOUR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO IT'S THAT'S HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK. THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE INCONSISTENT WITH ONE ANOTHER. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE CODE NEEDS TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, YOU KNOW, AS A MATTER OF LAW. CORRECT? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. OKAY. SO SO IT'S THE EXTENT THAT WE DEVELOP A VERY STRONG, CLEAR, POWERFUL, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE ARE AFFECTING THE DEVELOPMENT OF OUR CITY FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK WE REALLY OUGHT TO BE ENDEAVORING TO DO. RIGHT. AND SO THAT, IN FACT, ONCE WE GET TO THE ADOPTION PHASE OF YOUR GOALS, OBJECTIVES AND POLICIES IN YOUR YOUR 2045 PLAN, 2040 WHATEVER, THEN WE WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE NEW POLICIES THAT ARE ARE LOOKING TO BE ACHIEVED OVER THAT PLANNING PERIOD, THEN WE WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THAT EXERCISE OF BRINGING ORDINANCES TO THE COUNCIL THROUGH THE PAB AS THE LAND, THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY, IN ORDER TO MAKE THAT CONSISTENCY WORK. THANK YOU.

HOPE THAT HELPS. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. I HAVE, MR. MAYOR. I THINK WHEN WE START THE CONVERSATION FROM THE PRESENTER THAT YOU MENTIONED ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN HAVING REFERENCE TO HEIGHT REGARDING THE DOWNTOWN MIXED USE SPECIFICALLY. AND THEN THE ISSUE IS IF IT HAS REFERENCE TO THAT AND THEN DOESN'T HAVE REFERENCE TO OTHER COMMUNITIES, THEN WHY DOES IT PULL OUT REFERENCE TO THAT SPECIFIC AREA THAT'S GIVING IT A PLATFORM? AND I DON'T BELIEVE SOME OF THE PLATFORMS THAT CURRENTLY ARE GIVEN PLACE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WERE INTENDED. I DON'T THINK WE INTENDED TO ONLY HAVE HEIGHT RELATING TO DOWNTOWN ISSUES. WE HAVE OUR CODES FOR THAT. IF YOU EXCLUDED THAT PART IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT WOULD MAKE THINGS EVEN. IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE NOT TREATING IT ANY DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING ELSE. AND WE HAVE A CODE. IT COMES BACK TO THE QUANTITATIVE WHAT YOU INCLUDING THE QUALITATIVE HOW YOU INCLUDE IT. IF WE HAD IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT HEIGHT ARE OF IMPORTANCE TO THIS THIS AND WILL BE REFLECTED IN EACH COMMUNITY OR EACH AREA, THAT WOULD THEN BE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE USED. AND AS MR. KRAMER MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, ABOUT A CERTAIN PART BEING A MESS. WELL, HELL, IT'S OUR FAULT WE'RE HERE.

WE'RE SAT ON THE SEATS WHETHER WE WANT IT OR NOT. IT'S FOR US TO FIX IT RATHER THAN TO MOVE IT ON. AND I THINK FOCUSING ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WITH CORRECT, NOT SO MUCH CLEVER WORDING, BUT CONTAINED WORDING, COMPREHENSIVE WORDING. WHAT MIGHT COMES BACK TO MY FIRST CONCERN IF WE'RE GOING TO DICTATE THOSE WORDS BY THE RESPONSES WE'RE GETTING AND THE

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BUT TYPICALLY, IF WE HAVE A PROVISION LIKE THAT IN A FUTURE LAND USE SECTION, IT'S USUALLY PROVIDED FOR ALL OF THEM. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY AN IMPORTANT REASON FOR INCLUDING IT IN THERE. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THERE WASN'T, BUT IT'S IF IF BUILDING HEIGHTS IS IMPORTANT TO BE REFLECTING ON AS YOU'RE MAKING DECISIONS, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THERE BE SOME POLICY LEVEL GUIDANCE THAT'S APPROPRIATE FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO BE INCLUDED IN HERE TO GIVE YOU ALL SOME INFORMATION. AS YOU LOOK AT DEVELOPMENT PROPOSALS, DOES THAT HELP? WELL, IT DOES, EXCEPT FOR FROM THE INFORMATION YOU GATHERED, THIS SLIDE WAS CREATED. SO FROM WHAT INFORMATION THAT YOU GATHERED, ARE YOU RECOMMENDING THAT WE LOOK AT THE HEIGHT POLICIES. SO WHICH FOR ALL FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES. SURE. SO I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, WE DID SOME INITIAL LOOKING AT WELL WE LOOKED AT KIND OF BUILDING HEIGHTS IN EXISTENCE. WE'D KIND OF IT WASN'T A THOROUGH EXAMINATION OF EVERY BUILDING WITHIN EACH FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY. BUT WE DID SOME INITIAL LOOKING TO SEE KIND OF GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHAT ARE THE BUILDING HEIGHTS FOUND IN THE DIFFERENT KIND OF AREAS OF THE COMMUNITY? SO THAT'S ONE KIND OF PIECE OF INFORMATION THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT RESPONSES THAT WE'RE RECEIVING WITH RESPECT TO KIND OF CHARACTER NEW DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING IN AND REACTIONS TO THAT THAT MIGHT BE INSTRUCTIVE IN HELPING US UNDERSTAND HOW THAT MIGHT CHANGE. WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT WHAT THE ZONING DOES TELL US.

SO AGAIN, THERE ARE MANY AREAS OF YOUR CITY TODAY THAT HAVE A RESTRICTION AT 42FT. AND I ACCURATE ABOUT THAT. YEAH, 42FT. THERE ARE SOME AREAS OF YOUR COMMUNITY THAT DO NOT HAVE THAT LIMITATION AND ALLOW BUILDINGS TO BE CONSTRUCTED HIGHER. SO WE LOOK AT KIND OF ALL OF THOSE PIECES OF INFORMATION AND HELPING TO THINK ABOUT WHAT SHOULD WHAT IF IS THIS IMPORTANT TO BE LOOKING AT, AND IF SO, HOW DO WE WANT TO GO ABOUT KIND OF PROVIDING GOOD GUIDANCE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, POLICY LEVEL GUIDANCE FOR YOU ALL TO MAKE DECISIONS MOVING FORWARD? IS THAT HELPFUL? IT IS, EXCEPT FOR I FORGET WHO MENTIONED IT, BUT THAT IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS APPLIED THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE HEIGHT POLICIES THAT APPLY TO DOWNTOWN MIXED USE. SO I DON'T THINK IT WAS THAT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THOSE HEIGHT POLICIES. I THINK SHE WAS SAYING THAT THAT IS THE ONLY ONE THAT ALREADY DOES. AND JUST BECAUSE EVERYONE WAS SAYING, I DON'T KNOW WHY IT DOES. IF YOU LOOK, IT'S ACTUALLY THE WAY THAT THAT HEIGHT IS MENTIONED IS NOT ACTUALLY AS A HEIGHT LIMITATION, BUT IT'S IN ONE OF THE VERY SMALL AREAS. SO THE DOWNTOWN MIXED USE FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY IS BROKEN OUT INTO FOUR DIFFERENT GEOGRAPHICAL AREAS WITHIN THAT DESIGNATION. AND IN ONE OF THEM, IN LIEU OF PROVIDING A UNITS PER ACRE DENSITY. WHAT IT SAYS IS THAT DENSITY IS LIMITED TO ACCORDING

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LEANNE. IT'S A PLAN UPDATE. ONE IDEA IS RESPECT TO COMMUNITY. CHARACTER IS HAVING MORE PARKS AND GREEN SPACES. SO THERE COULD BE POLICIES WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO GUIDE DEDICATION OF NEW PUBLIC LANDS, TO SERVE AS SMALL PARKS AND NEIGHBORHOODS AND OTHER DEVELOPED AREAS. THAT'S ONE KIND OF SOLUTION THAT COULD BE LOOKED AT AS PART OF THIS PROCESS, TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL KIND OF OPEN SPACE AND PROTECT THAT OVER TIME WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. MADAM MAYOR. YES, THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG. ONE COMPONENT TO THAT, JUST SO WE'RE ALL AWARE, THE PARKS, CAN YOU MAKE THAT CLOSER TO THE PARKS MAP? I DON'T DAVID, IS THIS ON? YEAH. HELLO. THERE YOU GO. BUT ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW THE PARKS MASTER PLAN IS UNDERWAY, AND I'M TO CLOSE AND IS EXPECTED TO BE IN ITS DRAFT FORM IN JUNE AND JULY AND VOTED ON IN AUGUST. SO INCORPORATING BECAUSE THIS SAYS IT'S A STATEMENT, ADD POLICIES AND GUIDE DIRECTION. BUT IT'S ACTUALLY A QUESTION IS DO YOU WANT TO ADD CERTAIN THINGS TO THAT. AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT THE FIVE YEAR ANNUAL COMP PLAN WILL BE IS BEING WORKED ON, WILL BE DELIVERED IN THAT TIME FRAME. SO BEFORE, AS YOU GET TO THE WRITING PHASE, YOU'LL HAVE THAT INPUT BACK AS WELL. SO I JUST KIND OF WANT TO FORESHADOW THAT FOR YOU AS YOU THOUGHT ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR SECTION. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND GIVE ME THAT TIME THAT IT WAS. IT'S JUNE AND JULY WILL BE THE FINAL DRAFTING PHASE. YOU'LL SEE IT WHEN YOU COME BACK FROM BREAK IN AUGUST. AND I JUST WANT TO PUT THAT ON YOUR RADAR. AND ONE THING THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CAN DO IS SPECIFICALLY REFERENCE THAT PLAN AS IT GETS UPDATED, SO THAT THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DEFINE EVERY KIND OF SPECIFIC PLACE THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO BE INCORPORATING OR ADDING AS PARK SPACE WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY. IT CAN REFER TO THE MORE DETAILED, FOCUSED MASTER PLAN EFFORT FOR DOING THAT, BUT AGAIN, REINFORCE THAT POLICY WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT ALLOWS SOME FLEXIBILITY TO UPDATE THAT PLAN OVER TIME WITHOUT HAVING TO OPEN UP THE COMP PLAN TO DO THAT. AND I THOUGHT AND I BROUGHT IT UP NOW SIMPLY BECAUSE I WANTED THIS BODY, BOTH BODIES, TO KNOW THAT YOU'LL HAVE SOME MORE UPDATED INFORMATION BECAUSE THE INFORMATION YOU'RE YOU'D BE UTILIZING NOW TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT TO ADD POLICIES? YOU YOU'LL BE GARNERING MORE FEEDBACK BY THE TIME THAT WOULD COME TO FULL FRUITION, IF THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO ADD. SO THANK YOU. SO I HEAR THAT THIS QUESTION SHOULD BE PART OF WHAT'S IN OUR PARK AND REC. THE MASTER PLAN EFFORTS IN JUNE AND JULY, SO WE CAN MOVE ON FROM THIS. AND WHAT I THE REASON I WAS SAYING, WHAT I WAS SAYING, MAYOR, IS, IS IT IS IT'S A LEGITIMATE CONVERSATION. I WANTED YOU TO KNOW YOU'LL HAVE ADDITIONAL, MORE UP TO DATE INFORMATION FROM THE PARK MASTER PLAN THAT HOPEFULLY BECOMES RELEVANT IN THAT CONVERSATION. I KNOW WE'RE DOING A LOT OF BAKING OUT RIGHT NOW, BUT THIS OR DO WE WANT TO ADD OR DON'T WE WANT TO ADD? I THINK THAT YEAH, IT'S A POSSIBILITY WE MAY WANT TO ADD, BUT YOU'LL HAVE MORE

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CORRECT. AND IT WOULD BE IN THE FORM OF EITHER SOME KIND OF COVENANT RUNNING WITH THE LAND OR AN EASEMENT OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD ALSO BE RECORDED FOR FUTURE SUCCESSORS IN INTEREST OF THE PROPERTY AS WELL. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN KIRSTEN. YEAH. THANK YOU MAYOR. JUST ONE ONE IDEA THAT OCCURRED TO ME AS I WAS GOING THROUGH THIS BEFORE THE MEETING TODAY, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS POTENTIALLY VERY IMPORTANT. IDENTIFYING SMALL GREEN SPACES, BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE RUN INTO IN AS WE THOSE OF US ON COUNCIL, REMEMBER, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS FROM TIME TO TIME ABOUT A PARTICULAR PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT MIGHT BE AVAILABLE. WOULDN'T IT MAKE A GREAT GREEN SPACE, PARK SPACE? AND THE COST IS JUST SO YOU KNOW, IS ALWAYS THE THING THAT GETS IN THE WAY, COST OF LAND. BUT WHAT OCCURRED TO ME IS THAT FROM A FROM A FUNDING STANDPOINT, THERE MAY BE A, AN ONGOING FUNDING SOURCE THAT THE CITY HAS REALLY NEVER TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF. AND IT'S CALLED CONSERVATION. COLLIER AND, YOU KNOW, THAT FUNDING IS TO PROTECT LAND FROM DEVELOPMENT AND CREATE OPEN AND RECREATIONAL SPACE. AND IT'S MOSTLY BEEN USED TO BUY VERY LARGE TRACTS OF LAND IN EASTERN COLLIER COUNTY OR OUTLYING COLLIER COUNTY, WHICH IS GOOD, IMPORTANT FOR ALL KINDS OF REASONS, BUT VERY, VERY LITTLE OF IT HAS BEEN USED IN URBANIZED AREAS. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE CRITERIA FOR CONSERVATION, COLLIER FRONT IS, IS REDUCING FLOOD RISK, WATER QUALITY, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS.

SO, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF POLICY RELATED TO THIS, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY SHOULD BE PURSUING MORE AGGRESSIVELY IN THE FUTURE. AND IT ALSO CHECKS ANOTHER BOX BECAUSE WE ARE ALWAYS TALKING ABOUT HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO BUILD ADDITIONAL COLLABORATIVE RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE COUNTY. AND HERE WOULD BE AN EXAMPLE IN SOMETHING THAT'S GOOD FOR THE CITY. AND AND OBVIOUSLY CITY RESIDENTS ARE COUNTY RESIDENTS TOO. SO AND IT'S AN ONGOING FUNDING SOURCE BE RENEWED EVERY SO OFTEN THAT IT'S THERE YEAR AFTER YEAR. YEAH. DO THEY DO BOTH ACQUISITION AND CONSERVATION EASEMENTS. DO THEY ARE THEY A LAND TRUST THAT HOLDS EASEMENTS? IT'S MOSTLY ACQUISITION, BUT THEY DO CONSERVATION EASEMENTS SOMETIMES, I'M SURE. GOOD TALK. OKAY. DEFINITELY NEED TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING FROM THE LEGAL POINT OF VIEW ON HOW THAT'S STRUCTURED. AND TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ANY KIND OF POLICY TO CONSIDER. I SAW SOME HANDS OVER HERE. SORRY.

JUST ON THAT RESILIENCE POINT. YEAH, WE DO LOOK FOR THE RESILIENCE OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. WE TEND TO NOT GIVE MANY WORDS TO OUR POLITICAL RESILIENCE. IN OTHER WORDS, WORKING WITH OTHER AGENCIES. AS COUNCILOR CHRISTIAN SAID, WHERE IS THE LINK TO HAVING INCORPORATING COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OUR RESILIENCE WITH DEALING WITH

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THANK YOU. OKAY, SO THE NEXT IDEA FOR CONSIDERATION IS INCORPORATION OF THE GREEN JEWEL CONCEPT IN NEW DEVELOPMENTS OR REDEVELOPMENTS THAT MIGHT BE OCCURRING. THE FIRST BULLET POINT HERE TALKS ABOUT THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND IT SUPPORTS SEVERAL THINGS THAT FIT UNDER THIS CATEGORY OF GREEN JEWEL CONCEPT. SO LANDSCAPE BUFFERS BETWEEN USES PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS FOR LANDSCAPING AND NEW DEVELOPMENTS, ROADWAY MEDIAN LANDSCAPING AND USE OF FLORIDA NATIVE SPECIES. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CURRENTLY INCLUDES THAT PROVIDES SOME GUIDANCE ABOUT THIS IDEA OF HAVING THE GREEN JEWEL CONCEPT BE REALIZED WITHIN NAPLES, AND PARTICULARLY NEW DEVELOPMENTS OR REDEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING. AND SO, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER IDEA, IF WE WANTED TO BUILD ON THAT IS TO ADD POLICIES TO ACQUIRE LANDSCAPING MATERIALS AND MAINTENANCE, MEET RESILIENCY AND COMMUNITY CHARACTER CRITERIA. SO THINKING ABOUT KIND OF OTHER WAYS, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE THINGS BEYOND WHAT'S CURRENTLY INCLUDED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE MIGHT WANT TO BE LOOKING AT? AGAIN, I THINK THERE'S AN IMPORTANT RELATIONSHIP HERE, NOT JUST ABOUT CHARACTER, BUT ALSO THINKING ABOUT RESILIENCY AS WELL. SO WITH THE WAY TO DO THAT AND EMPHASIZE THE NEED FOR USING NATIVE PLANTS, PUT AN EMPHASIS ON USING NATIVE PLANTS, WOULD THAT BE A WAY TO ENCOURAGE THAT PARTICULAR THAT THIS GET SOME TRACTION? YEAH.

AND I THINK YOU'RE YOU HAVE SOME OF THAT LANGUAGE CURRENTLY IN YOUR PLAN. WE COULD LOOK AT WHETHER THAT NEEDS TO BE STRENGTHENED OR KIND OF RECOMMENDED FOR INCLUSION IN OTHER PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY, OR INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO USE NATIVE PLANTS, PERHAPS. CORRECT.

BECAUSE WE DON'T WE DON'T SEEMINGLY DO A VERY GOOD JOB OF THAT. THAT WILL HELP WITH OUR RESILIENCY AMBITIONS AS WELL. LEON, CAN YOU PUT THE REFERENCE TO WHAT POLICIES YOU'RE REFERRING TO IN THE SECTION OF THE COMP PLAN? GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T HAVE THOSE SPECIFIC CITATIONS WITH ME. IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE COULD PROVIDE AFTER THIS MEETING? HAPPY TO DO THAT FOR YOU. I DON'T HAVE THOSE SPECIFIC CITATIONS. OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE. VICE MAYOR.

YEAH. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. SO I IN READING THIS, I, I REALLY SUPPORT THIS AND I WANTED TO WHY I HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY. JUST REMIND EVERYBODY OR HELP YOU LINK JUST HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS. WE ALL REMEMBER THE PACIFIC PALISADES FIRES, RIGHT. AND IF YOU REMEMBER THOSE, THE FIRE JUST SPREAD. WENT IN BETWEEN HOMES, BURNT ALL THE LANDSCAPING. AND THOSE COMMUNITIES HAVE BEEN DEALING WITH THE THE SANTA ANA WINDS. RIGHT. AND THE THINGS THAT CONTRIBUTED TO THE DESTRUCTION OF THAT FIRE. AND HAD THEY THOUGHT ABOUT IT AND TAKEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE AND PLANT MATERIALS, LANDSCAPE MATERIALS THAT DIDN'T GET DRY AND BRITTLE WHEN THESE WINDS CAME ABOUT, IT MIGHT AND IT I BELIEVE IT WOULD HAVE HELPED MITIGATE THE EXTENT OF THAT FIRE. AND WHAT DO WE HAVE THAT IS NOT THE SCENT, THE NOT THOSE WINDS, BUT WHAT DO WE HAVE THAT WE COMMONLY HAVE TO DEAL WITH IN LANDSCAPING? WE HAVE SALTWATER INTRUSION THROUGH STORMS. WE HAVE THINGS THAT WREAK HAVOC ON OUR LANDSCAPING. SO IF WE PAY ATTENTION TO THE MATERIALS AND AND THE MAINTENANCE, I THINK IT WILL HELP OUR COMMUNITY. SO JUST WANTED IT. WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THIS, THE INCORPORATION OF THAT GREEN JEWEL CONCEPT, JUST THINK ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO NOW THAT WILL HELP THE END RESULT LATER. SO THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. NEXT ONE, WE'VE GOT TWO SLIDES ON THIS. JUST A LITTLE BIT OF KIND OF SETTING THE TABLE HERE IN TERMS OF INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION, WHICH I THINK HAS COME UP A COUPLE OF TIMES IN CONVERSATION TODAY. SO THERE ARE A FEW OPPORTUNITIES THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE AS SET OUT THROUGH STATE STATUTE FOR

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STORMWATER MANAGEMENT. OBVIOUSLY, WATER DOESN'T CARE ABOUT JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARIES, BUT SO THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO THINK ABOUT SHARED WATERSHED BASED PLANNING AND MANAGEMENT, JOINT INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS. I THINK MY COLLEAGUE MIGHT BE SPEAKING A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT IN HER PART OF RESILIENCY, AS WELL AS, AGAIN, BEACH AND COASTAL ADAPTATION AND RESILIENCE ACROSS FEDERAL, STATE, COUNTY AND LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE AREAS THAT WE SEE WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT OFFER OPPORTUNITIES TO THINK ABOUT INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION. THAT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR REALIZING THE VISION AS IT'S SET OUT. SO THIS IS OUR RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU RECEIVED OR THESE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING. THESE ARE INITIAL IDEAS THAT WE'RE SEEING AND WANTED TO PUT OUT FOR KIND OF YOUR KIND OF COMMENT AND RESPONSE WITH RESPECT TO WHAT COULD BE DONE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BASED ON THE COLLECTIVE DISCUSSIONS WITH WITH COUNCIL PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AND THE PUBLIC LOOKING AT THE VISION DOCUMENT, THESE ARE WAYS THAT WE THINK THAT WE COULD INCORPORATE SOME POLICIES FOR INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION WITHIN THE CURRENT, WITHIN THE NEW COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO THIS IS AGAIN JUST A STARTING POINT FOR DISCUSSION. OKAY. I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING DIFFERENT TO WHAT YOU JUST STATED. THAT'S NOT HERE NOW BUT IN THE CURRENT PLAN. SO I THINK MAYBE STRENGTHENING OR PROVIDING A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEAR GUIDANCE ON SOME OF THESE COULD POTENTIALLY BE HELPFUL. ANOTHER IS IF WE WANTED TO HAVE CLEAR KIND OF IMPLEMENTATION ABOUT HOW THAT WOULD MOVE FORWARD AND WHAT THE STEPS WOULD BE TO KIND OF ENACT SOME OF THOSE THINGS, OR TO PROGRESS ON SOME OF THOSE THINGS. THE LATTER TWO BULLETS, THERE MIGHT BE SOME. AGAIN, RESILIENCY IS NOT MY FOCUS ON THIS DISCUSSION. AND AARON CAN PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION, BUT THAT MIGHT BE SOME SOME NEW COMPONENTS TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. UNDER AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION ELEMENT. CORRECT. OKAY. I HAVE A QUESTION. YES. VICE MAYOR.

YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THIS. ON THAT FIRST BULLET, THE LAND USE PLANNING AND JURISDICTIONAL EDGE AREAS OF COMMON INTEREST, WE HAVE. SOME HERE IN THIS MEETING TODAY MAY KNOW EXACTLY OF SOME OPPORTUNITIES THAT WE HAVE. AND JURISDICTIONAL EDGE AREAS OF COMMON INTEREST. DO YOU HAVE NOT THAT WE WANT TO GET INTO THE WEEDS ON IT NOW, BUT DO YOU HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE EXECUTED EXACTLY THIS AND VERY SUCCESSFULLY? SO ONE EXAMPLE THAT'S A PRETTY LONG STANDING EXAMPLE IS ACTUALLY THE COMMUNITY WHERE I LIVE. SO I'M

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YOU MIGHT WE USED TO TALK ABOUT THAT A LOT IN PLANNING PLANNING WORLD THAT IS STILL IN PLACE TODAY. AND THEIR UTILITIES WERE ACTUALLY SET UP TO ALIGN WITH THOSE GROWTH AREAS. AND SO TODAY YOU CAN YOU CAN DRIVE TO THE EDGE OF CHAPEL HILL OR CARRBORO. AND THEN YOU KNOW WHERE THAT DIVIDING LINE IS WHERE THE RURAL BUFFER EXISTS. WE'VE WORKED WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE DEVELOPED THESE TYPES OF INTERGOVERNMENTAL AGREEMENTS.

YOU KNOW WHERE IT'S IT IT TAKES A WHILE. I'M NOT GOING TO SAY IT'S EASY THERE. AND THERE ARE DIFFERENT LEVELS BY WHICH YOU CAN DO JOINT LAND USE PLANNING AS WELL. WE TALK ABOUT KIND OF A CONCENTRIC CIRCLE WHERE FIRST YOU'RE STARTING OFF WITH SHARING INFORMATION. YOU MIGHT ALREADY BE DOING THAT TODAY WITH RESPECT TO DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING ON THE EDGE AREAS OF YOUR COMMUNITY AND IN COLLIER COUNTY, THAT CAN GO ALL THE WAY UP TO KIND OF JOINT DECISION MAKING, WHICH IS SOME OF WHAT HAPPENS UNDER THIS JOINT PLANNING AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWNS AND THE COUNTY WHERE I'M JUST SPEAKING OF SHARING THAT STORY. SO THERE'S A LOT OF VARIATIONS, AND I WOULD DEFER TO THE ATTORNEYS TO HELP KIND OF GUIDE BETTER ABOUT WHAT'S WHAT'S ALLOWABLE UNDER FLORIDA STATE LAW. THAT'S SOMETHING OBVIOUSLY, YOU WOULD WANT TO KIND OF THINK THROUGH. BUT THERE ARE GOOD MODELS OUT THERE OF KIND OF JOINT PLANNING WHEN WHEN THESE DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS CAN COME TOGETHER. GREAT EXAMPLE. THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU WOULD LOOK AT THIS AT THESE POLICIES BECAUSE I MEAN, I CAN SEE NOW THAT THERE ARE POLICIES HERE THAT WE'RE NOT FOLLOWING. SO YOU'RE GOING TO RECOMMEND THAT THE ATTORNEYS WOULD LOOK AT THESE POLICIES. SO THE IDEA IS IF IF WE WERE GOING TO WITH RESPECT TO KIND OF THE FIRST BULLET AND LAND USE PLANNING AND THINKING ABOUT INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION AND JOINT PLANNING GOING BACK TO THIS FLORIDA STATUTE.

1633171 WHAT WHAT'S KIND OF ALLOWED UNDER THAT? AND JUST KIND OF THINKING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WHAT IS THE OUTCOME, THAT SORT OF THING. I MEAN, I THINK THAT WE WANT TO BE CAREFUL BECAUSE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SHOULDN'T BE THE PARKS AND RECREATION MASTER PLAN. IT SHOULDN'T BE THE ORDINANCE. YOU KNOW, THERE'S IT SHOULD PROVIDE THE POLICY GUIDANCE TO MOVE FORWARD ON IMPLEMENTATION, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE TO NAIL DOWN EVERY ASPECT OF THE IMPLEMENTATION. AT THE SAME TIME, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WHAT WE'RE SETTING OUT IN POLICY IS SUPPORTED BY THE STATE STATUTE, AND THAT WE'RE IN ALIGNMENT WITH THAT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. WELL, FIRST QUESTION I WOULD ASK, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER IT NOW, BUT FROM OUR ATTORNEYS IS ARE THE POLICIES THAT ARE IN HERE ALIGNED WITH CURRENT STATE STATUTE. AND THEN I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE CITY MANAGER FOLLOW THROUGH WITH WHAT HE KNOWS IS ON HIS HIS DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL, AND THAT'S TO HAVE A JOINT COUNCIL COUNTY MEETING SO WE CAN DISCUSS WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE WE START MAKING CHANGES AND HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS WITH THEM. KRAMER. YEAH, WELL, THAT WAS KIND OF MY QUESTION. I AGAIN, IT GOES BACK TO HOW DIRECTIVE IS THIS, THIS MEMBER FOR MR. DICKMAN AND HOW ASPIRATIONAL IS IT, BECAUSE I CAN WANT TO GO HOME TO GO TO THE DANCE WITH ME. BUT SHE DON'T HAVE TO. AND I KNOW BUNCH OF THE COMMISSIONERS WELL AND PATTERSON'S FANTASTIC. AND YET THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BUILD WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD. AND A BUNCH OF US HAVE GOTTEN INVOLVED. WE'VE WE'VE. WE'VE TRIED TO ENGAGE AND WE'VE PUMPED. AND SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE WE TALK ABOUT THIS THING FROM THE 80S AND THEN I'M FAMILIAR WITH IT. IT'S LOVELY.

AND IT IS EXACTLY AS YOU DESCRIBED. LIKE HERE IT IS. THERE'S THE VALUE I WAS GETTING FUSSED AT BY FOLKS BECAUSE OUR SEAWALLS, OUR SEAWALLS LIKE PALM BEACH, PALM BEACH STARTED OUT IN THE 60S OR WHATEVER. AND OVER TIME IT BECAME WHAT IT IS. RIGHT? AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE HORSE HAS LEFT THE BARN. AND, ANDREW, MAYBE YOU CAN SPEAK TO THAT. LIKE WHAT? WHAT COMPELLED THEM? IS THERE ANY WHAT ARE THE LEVERS WE HAVE? AND I HATE TO SAY IT THAT WAY BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ACRIMONIOUS. WE'RE NOT USUALLY. SO TELL COACH ME UP. YEAH. SO THIS THIS

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YEAH. MAYOR, MAY I ADD TO JUST ONE POINT ON THAT? I THINK COORDINATION SOMETIMES WE NEED TO SEE AS NOT WHETHER OR NOT WE AGREE WITH THE PROJECT THAT THEY'RE APPROVING BASED ON THEIR OWN CRITERIA IN THEIR COUNTY CODE, BASED ON THEIR OWN TRAFFIC STUDIES. I THINK COORDINATION IS MORE OF HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO COLLABORATE, GET INFORMATION ABOUT OUR CONCURRENCY, ABOUT OUR WATER SYSTEM, ABOUT OUR ROADS, AND ENSURE THAT THAT'S MADE PART OF THEIR DECISION. WHETHER WE AGREE WITH THEIR DECISION OR NOT. ULTIMATELY, THEY'RE ABIDING BY THEIR OWN CODES. THEY'RE NOT A CHARTER COUNTY. SO WE CONTROL CITY JURISDICTION, RIGHT? THEY DON'T HAVE CHARTER AUTHORITY OVER WHAT WE DO AS A CITY. SO I JUST THINK

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YEAH. PART OF THIS, I THINK, IS TO HOW WE GET NOTICED FOR THINGS AND, AND OR HOW WE FIND OUT ABOUT THINGS, BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WE ENTER IN LIKE THE, THE, THE MARRIOTT THAT'S DOWN ON 41, THAT'S BEING BUILT. THAT WAS SORT OF A THING THAT I DON'T THINK WAS VERY MUCH DISCUSSED WITH US. AND IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN ROYAL HARBOR AND IT WAS BROUGHT UP IN OYSTER BAY OF, OH MY GOD, THAT TRAFFIC IS GOING TO CUT THE WAY THAT THEY'RE ENTERING AND EXITING THAT BUILDING IS GOING ONTO RESIDENTIAL ROADS, AND THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING, AND THE STORM WATER IS GOING TO CONCERNS. IT'S GOING TO COME OUR WAY AND AND IT'S GOING TO POTENTIALLY FLOOD OUR AREA GOING GOING EAST INTO OYSTER BAY. SO I THINK THAT THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING OUT OF THIS BECAUSE THESE THESE ARE NOT NEW. IT HAS TO BE A PROCESS THAT COMES OUT OF THIS, OUT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INTO SOMEWHERE ELSE. HOW WE ARE NOTICED WHEN THINGS ARE COMING UP AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE. AND I JUST LISTED SOME OF THEM, LIKE THE NAPLES GRAND PROJECT WITH THE WATER PARK AND THE WHAT'S IT CALLED, THE LAZY RIVER PROPOSAL THAT IS LITERALLY IN PEOPLE'S BACKYARDS UP AT SEAGATE. YOU KNOW, THAT AFFECTS THAT. IT DOESN'T AFFECT WATER. IT DOESN'T, BUT IT CERTAINLY AFFECTS QUALITY OF LIFE. THE I MENTIONED THE MAYOR, SOME OF THE WATER IS BEING SENT EASTWARD INTO THE CITY, YOU KNOW, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE RECEIVER OF OF THAT WATER. WHERE WHERE IS OUR POWER IN, IN HANDLING THIS AND AND YOU KNOW, WHERE CAN WE FLEX OUR POWER LIKE I'M I THINK IT WOULD BE HELPFUL. IT'S ALWAYS HELPFUL TO NEGOTIATION TO DETERMINE WHERE IS OUR POWER. YOU KNOW, WE WE

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SO SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'LL JUST SAY WE HAVE OUR OWN WORK TO DO INTERNALLY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THAT INFORMATION AS SOON AS WE GET IT AS WELL. EXCELLENT, KRISTEN. AND THEN I HAVE MAYOR SCHULTZ. THANK YOU. MAYOR. SO ON THIS SLIDE, I THINK THE LOOKING TO THE FUTURE WHERE PERHAPS THINGS HAVE NOT ALREADY BEEN, YOU KNOW, SET IN CONCRETE AND CONSTRAINED WHAT WE CAN DO. I THINK THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND BEACH AND COASTAL ADAPTATION AREAS REALLY COULD BE MORE PROMISING FOR US IN TERMS OF WORKING WITH THE COUNTY, PARTICULARLY ON STORMWATER. YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY THIS IS PUBLIC INFORMATION. IT'S STORMWATER FUND IS BROKEN. I HAVE NO MONEY IN IT BECAUSE THEY BORROWED FROM IT TO SPEND ON OTHER THINGS OVER THE YEARS. THEY'RE NOW TALKING ABOUT A THERE'S TALK ABOUT SERIOUS TALK ABOUT TRYING TO REINSTITUTE THE ADDITIONAL PENNY ON THE SALES TAX AND HAVE IT BE DEDICATED TO STORMWATER. AND AND WE CERTAINLY HAVE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR JOINT PLANNING AND INVESTMENT WITH THE COUNTY ON STORMWATER, WHERE

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AND SO. THE CITY IS WAY AHEAD OF THE COUNTY ON STORMWATER PLANNING. AND AS IT RELATES TO RESILIENCY PLANNING AND INVESTMENT. AND BUT WE AND WE HAVE A PLAN, WE HAVE A WAY TO PAY FOR IT. BUT WE KNOW IT'S NOT ENOUGH. WE NEED MORE. AND AND SO JUST THINKING ABOUT WHERE THE MONEY MIGHT ADDITIONAL FUNDING MIGHT BE IS IF AND WHEN THE COUNTY DOES MOVE FORWARD IN STORMWATER MANAGEMENT TO THE DEGREE WE CAN COORDINATE WITH THEM AND PERHAPS FIND ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR SOME OF OUR NEEDS. THAT THAT WOULD BE GOOD ON THE BEACH AND COASTAL SIDE. OBVIOUSLY, THE MONEY FOR ANNUAL, NOT EVEN ANNUAL PERIODIC BEACH RENOURISHMENT COMES FROM THE TDC AND THE COUNTY, BUT THERE COULD BE MORE. I MEAN, THERE COULD BE MORE REGULAR INVESTMENT IN OUR BEACHES. AND WE KNOW THAT 75% OF THE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE BEACHES IN THE IN THE COUNTY ARE IN THE CITY. IF YOU'RE THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL, YOU HAVE TO KNOW AND BELIEVE THAT NAPLES BEACHES ARE THE PRIMARY REASON WHY PEOPLE COME HERE TO VISIT. AND, AND, AND SO WE'RE BEGINNING TO SELL THAT IDEA AT THE COUNTY AT THE TDC STAFF IS AND OTHERS COACH AND OTHERS WHO ARE REPRESENTING US ON THE TDC.

WE GOT MONEY FOR THE PIER, RIGHT? WE GOT MONEY FOR THE BEACH OUTFALLS PROJECT FROM THE TDC. AND SO HAVING AN EVEN CLOSER RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COUNTY AND TDC FOR COASTAL FUNDING, BEACH FUNDING IS ANOTHER, I THINK, GROWTH AREA FOR US. IF YOU GROWTH IN TERMS OF FUNDING. THANK YOU. MAYOR. MISTER MAYOR, I THINK IT'S EASY FOR FOR THE PUBLIC MYSELF AND MAYBE SOME OF THE PEOPLE AROUND HERE IS TO GET MIXED UP AS TO THE VALUABLE POINTS THAT WERE EACH MAKING, BUT I TRIED TO GET IT ON A ON A VISUAL SIDE OF THINGS. MY VISUAL MAKES ME THINK OF, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A LINE IN THE VISION PLAN. WHERE'S THE EVIDENCE OF THAT? IN THE COMP PLAN, WE'LL HAVE A LINE IN THE COMP PLAN. WHERE'S THE EVIDENCE IN THAT ENCODE, ETC. AND THE WAY THAT I VISUALIZE IT, IT'S A RECOMMENDATION I'VE PUT TO PREVIOUS MANAGER AND TO PLANNING IS THAT WE HAVE A MULTI-DIMENSIONAL VIEW OF THE CITY. YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH 2D AND 3D DESIGNS, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT BIM MODELING, BUSINESS INFORMATION MODELING, FORGET THE 2D 3D. THAT'S THE EASY STUFF. IT'S THE SEVENTH DIMENSION, IT'S THE SIXTH DIMENSION. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. I WILL COME AROUND TO WHAT I MEAN TO TO CLARIFY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ISSUES WITH, LET'S SAY, COLLIER COUNTY. WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE GET THAT? WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT WHY DID THE SEA WATER RISE? AND WE JUST KNOW IT'S RISING AND WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. SO AS OPPOSED TO WHO'S CAUSING OR WHAT'S CAUSING THE THE ISSUE, IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. SO IF WE HAD A CLEAR MAP OF THE CITY LAND MAP OF THE CITY, AND WE IMPOSE ON THAT LAND MAP, IT'S EASY TO IMPOSE THAT. WE'VE GOT A BUILDING CURRENTLY THERE AT THIS HEIGHT GIVING THIS ISSUE LACK OF IMPERVIOUS OR EXCESS IMPERVIOUS. WE CAN ALREADY DO THAT. THIS IS A VERY SIMPLE THING TO DO VIA GOOGLE WILL HELP US DO THAT VERY QUICKLY.

SO THAT GOES TO A 3D MODEL IN ESSENCE OF THE CITY, OF WHAT BUILDINGS ARE THERE, WHAT RESTRAINTS ARE THERE. THEN WE GO INTO, LET'S SAY, 4D. THE FOURTH DIMENSION COULD BE THE EFFECT OF THE SEA WATER, AND THAT WILL LOOK AS OKAY, SO WHAT WE'RE DOING TO DEFEND THAT THE FIFTH DIMENSION MAY BE THE THE WATER, THE DRAINAGE. HAVE WE GOT STORM WATER DRAINAGE. THE SIXTH DIMENSION COULD BE WHATEVER WE CHOOSE THOSE DIMENSIONS TO MEASURE AND WE CAN VISUALIZE IT. AND THEN IF YOU IMPOSE ON THAT SO WE HAVE THE CURRENT SITUATION. AND THEN WE HAVE ALL THOSE STRUCTURES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PERMITTED BUT NOT YET BUILT. SO WE CAN IMPOSE THAT WE KNOW WHAT'S COMING. AND THE REASON WHY I THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT IS WHEN THE PETITIONER THEN COMES WITH SOMETHING NEW. LET'S JUST TAKE NAPLES SQUARE AS A PERFECT EXAMPLE. WE CURRENTLY HAVE THE NAPLES BUILDINGS THERE. THE FOR THE MAIN FOUR BUILDINGS, WE KNOW THAT THERE ARE BUILDINGS GOING UP THERE. WE ALSO KNOW, BUT IT'S NOT OBVIOUS.

THERE'S TWO BUILDINGS ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE THAT WERE NOT THINKING ABOUT OF THE EFFECT OF

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THIS IS WHERE IT'S EVIDENT IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR NOT. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE WE'VE SEEN A SIMILAR SITUATION AND HOW A BEST PRACTICE WOULD LOOK. AND I THINK THEN WE CAN VISUALIZE WHAT IT'S HARD TO KEEP ALL THESE LAWYER BOOKS AND ACCOUNTING BOOKS IN YOUR HEAD, WHEREAS VISUALLY WE COULD DO THAT AND MAKE IT EASIER FOR US TO BE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT DOES WHAT WE WANT IT TO DO. SO I JUST I WANT TO GO MACRO BECAUSE IT'S IN HERE. AND I THINK THIS IS A GREAT COMPONENT FOR THE PAB TO START LOOKING AT. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE GO OUT AND SURVEY OUR RESIDENTS AND UNDERSTANDING THIS, YOU'RE THE PLANNING. WE'RE THE COUNCIL. WE AS COUNCIL SHOULD BE FOCUSED IN ON THAT COMPREHENSIVE, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHEN WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS AND NOT IGNORING IT. AND I THINK THAT THIS IS A PIECE THAT COULD GO TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD IMMEDIATELY AND START WORKING ON IT, JUST AS WE ALREADY ARE WITH THE PARKS AND REC, WORKING ON THAT PIECE WITH SOME OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS HAVE BEEN MADE. SO I THINK A LOT OF THIS IS SIMULTANEOUS WORK THAT'S HAPPENING THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC, WE CAN'T EDUCATE THEM THROUGH A SURVEY THAT WE COULD START WORKING ON THESE. SO THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE START TO WORK ON THE PAB TO START WORKING ON SOME OF THESE SECTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED, AND TO REVIEW WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED, I THINK WHEN MR. SULLIVAN WAS THE CHAIR, AND I'M NOT SURE THAT'S BEEN REVIEWED WITH THIS PAB OR NOT. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE WHEN WE WENT THROUGH ELEMENT BY ELEMENT WITH THE PAB AND THE AND THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS? YEP. THOSE ARE ALL PROVIDED ON THE WEBSITE, THE NAPLES 2045 WEBSITE THAT'S OUT THERE. YOU CAN SEE I DIDN'T PROVIDE TO THE CONSULTANT ALL THE I'M GONNA SAY RED LINE, BUT IT'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT COLORS IN THERE THAT YOU'LL SEE. BUT IT DOES SHOW ALL OF THE SUGGESTED REVISIONS FROM THE PAB FROM THOSE WORKSHOPS IN 2021. AND YES, SIR. AND THAT ALREADY STARTED WORK WITH I KNOW YOU WERE ON THERE WITH THIS PAB. SOME MEMBERS MAY BE ONE MEMBER. SO MANY OF THE EXISTING MEMBERS OF THE PAB WERE NOT PART OF THAT. THAT WAS A 2021 EXERCISE, BUT THEY JUST REST ASSURED THOSE SUGGESTIONS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO THE CONSULTANT AND WILL BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION AS THEY DRAFT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. YES. MR. NO, I WANT TO ASSURE THE COUNCIL THAT THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD HAS BEEN DEEPLY INVOLVED IN COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ISSUES SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, WHICH IS A WHILE, BUT I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR WHAT MR. MAYOR IS PROPOSING IS SOMETHING THAT INVOLVES MONEY. AND WE THAT'S REALLY YOU GOT TO TELL US WHAT HE'S PROPOSING, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. A GRAPHIC DEPICTION WHERE YOU ONE OF THE FRUSTRATIONS LET ME BACK UP. ONE OF THE FRUSTRATIONS OF THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD IS

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CAN'T BE WORKED ON BY OUR CONSULTANTS. AS FOR RECOMMENDATIONS, IT WILL BE IT'LL THEY'RE JUST IT'S THEY'RE ALL GOING TO BE WORKED ON TOGETHER OKAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING

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AGAIN, GETTING INTO THE DETAIL, WHICH I'M YOU KNOW, I'M DON'T APOLOGIZE FOR. BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ON ABOUT A SITUATION PASSING BACK TO PAB. LET'S JUST THINK ABOUT THIS.

YOU COULD HAVE THREE LESS MEMBERS OF PAB. AND THEN THE NEW MEMBERS WILL COME ALONG.

AND WHAT INDUCTION IS GOING TO BE GIVEN TO THOSE TO COME UP TO SPEED. SO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DOESN'T LOSE ANY SPEED AND DOESN'T LOSE ANY VALUABLE INPUT. MY EXACT CONCERN OF HOW WE ALLOWED THE OR ASKED THE PAB TO REVIEW IT. THEY PUT IN EXTRA MONEY, EXTRA DATES, EXTRA TIME TO REVIEW IT, AND BASICALLY I HOPE THAT PRODUCT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED WITH YOU OR ISN'T ANOTHER PRODUCT THAT. IS IGNORED AND AND OR SOMEONE ELSE COMES IN AND WANTS TO CHANGE THE PRODUCT THAT WE'RE WORKING ON. SO I SHARE YOUR YOUR SENTIMENTS EXACTLY. AND THAT'S WHY I, I LOOK AT SOME OF THESE ELEMENTS OF SOMETHING WE COULD BE WORKING ON, BUT I'LL RESPECT THIS PROCESS AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN. I MEAN, I HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT THE NEXT SURVEY, WHICH I WON'T SHARE NOW. SO, MR. SCHULTZ, AND THEN WE'LL KEEP MOVING ON, PLEASE.

COUNCILWOMAN PETROFF MENTIONED SOMETHING THAT'S VITALLY IMPORTANT TO THOSE OF US THAT LIVE IN THE NORTHERNMOST PART OF THE CITY IN REGARDS TO THE WATER PARK, WE'VE BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY WITH THE PELICAN BAY SERVICES DISTRICT, WHICH IS A WHOLLY OWNED ENTITY OF THE COUNTY. AND THE ISSUES WE HAD BEEN WORKING ON, WE WERE WORKING ON DREDGING, AND WE WERE WORKING ON DUNE RECONSTRUCTION, MANGROVE RECONSTRUCTION, AND PBSD WAS NOT GIVING US THE TIME OF DAY. THIS. WE HAD A COMMITTEE FORM PROPOSED, EXCUSE ME, THAT WENT TO THE BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS AND COMMISSIONER CHRIS HALL SPIKED IT AND SAID, NO, WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE OF THIS OR THAT. AT THAT POINT, COMMISSIONER MCDANIEL, COMMISSIONER SAUNDERS INSTRUCTED COMMISSIONER KOWAL SUGGESTED TO HIM, WHY DON'T YOU GET IN THERE, DAN, AND CALL THE BALLS AND STRIKES AND SEE THAT THESE FOLKS GET HEARD FROM THE CITY OF NAPLES. SO COMMISSIONER CALDWELL HAD REACHED OUT TO THE CITY AND ASKED FOR TWO PEOPLE TO BE PUT FORTH. THAT NEVER BECAME SO. MYSELF AND A PERSON FROM SEAGATE WERE ABLE TO STEP UP AND GET A SEAT AT THAT TABLE WITH THE PBSD WITH THIS LINKS INTO IS THAT SINCE WE HAVE A RELATIONSHIP NOW WITH THE PBSD, WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK YOU ALL TO DO AT COUNCIL IN REGARDS TO THIS WATER PARK IN PARTICULAR IS ENACT A NOISE ORDINANCE IF YOU HAVEN'T FOR VEHICLES AND SUCH, BUT FOR NOISE FROM A DEVELOPMENT TYPE OF SCENARIO WHERE WE ERECT ON OUR PROPERTY AND THE CITY SIDE WHERE IT'S SEAGATE NAPLES K, I'M THE NORTHERNMOST BUILDING IN THE CITY, SO THIS IS OUR BACKYARD. WE ERECT THESE TOWERS THAT ARE ABLE TO MEASURE NOISE. YEAH.

AND SO DO THAT. AND THEN ALSO WITH THE PBSD FROM THE COUNTY, SINCE WE HAVE A RELATIONSHIP NOW IN THERE AND THE CIRCLE, THE CUL DE SAC SORT OF AT THE END THERE WHERE THEY WANTED TO PASS THROUGH, PUT A BIKE TRAIL, YOU PUT THE TOWERS UP THERE AS WELL. SO THE COUNTY AND THE CITY WORK TOGETHER THROUGH PBSD AND THE CITY. FIRST, YOUR ACRONYMS. CAN YOU CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD YOUR SERVICES DISTRICT? I'M SORRY, JUST FOR THE PUBLIC. GOOD POINT. NO.

VERY GOOD POINT. SO PELICAN BAY SERVICES I'M SORRY, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT I'D LIKE TO HAVE THIS MORE OF A CORRESPONDENCE AND COMMUNICATION. SO WE STAY IN THE MACRO OF THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I'M JUST TRYING TO DEAL WITH A PROBLEM IN OUR SIDE OF THE CITY THAT NOBODY SEEMS TO CARE ABOUT. NO, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT, OKAY. I'M SORRY. I GUESS

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AND WE MAY BE TALKING ABOUT LIVING IN ENVIRONMENTAL ENHANCEMENTS TO SHORELINES. SO WHAT IS WHAT IS THE GOAL OF OUR SHORELINE POLICY OVERALL? AND THAT IS DISTINCT FROM WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH DUNES AND BEACHES AND OFFSHORE ISLANDS OR OFFSHORE ARTIFICIAL REEFS, THAT TYPE OF THING. SO I LIKE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION MORE ABOUT WHAT OUR SHORELINE GOALS AND SHORELINE POLICY IS. STRUCTURE, ELEVATION, YOU KNOW IT. LET'S JUST BUILD EVERYTHING HIGHER. WELL, WE TALKED EARLIER ABOUT BUILDING HEIGHT LIMITS IN CERTAIN TYPES OF FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORIES. IF YOU WANT TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO BUILD BACK AFTER THEY'VE BEEN IMPACTED HIGHER, YOU'VE GOT OTHER FACTORS THAT YOU NEED TO CONSIDER, LIKE FLORIDA OR OTHER CODE THAT MAY INFLUENCE THAT FLORIDA BUILDING CODE THAT MAY INFLUENCE THAT. AND THEN AGAIN, YOU KNOW, HIGHER STRUCTURE MEANS THAT MAYBE WE COULD BE COMPROMISING SOME OF THOSE GOALS ON COMMUNITY CHARACTER OR NOT, IF WE CAN DO IT RIGHT, PROTECTING CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE. AND I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THING. EVERYBODY SAYS WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR BUILDINGS, OUR ELECTRICAL BACKUP POWER SYSTEMS, OUR COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS. AND WE NOW HAVE THE PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT AND ADAPTATION PLAN THAT WAS COMPLETED IN, I THINK, 2023 2024, WHICH IDENTIFIES THE PRIORITIES AND MAPS OUT WHERE THOSE ASSETS ARE AND THE TYPES OF FLOOD RISKS THAT MAY AFFECT THOSE ASSETS WITHIN CERTAIN TIME FRAMES. I THINK YOUR TIME FRAMES ARE 2040 AND 2070. SO PROTECTING CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE IS A THEME THAT WE'VE HEARD IN YOUR PLANNING DOCUMENTS AND FROM THE COMMUNITY, EXPEDITING PERMITTING FOR APPROPRIATE HAZARD PREPAREDNESS, ALLOWING PEOPLE TO BUILD BACK FASTER. WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER LEGISLATIVE ISSUES OUT THERE THAT THAT MAY BE CONTROLLING SOME OF THAT AS WELL. BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALWAYS A GOAL. BUT

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FOR INSTANCE, I DO A LOT OF WORK IN THE KEYS. THEY HAVE AN OPTIONAL ELEMENT OF THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS WELL. SO TO DO THAT, SO DOES THE CITY OF DELRAY BEACH. SO THERE ARE SOME COMMUNITIES THAT TAKE THAT EFFORT AND DO THAT OPTIONAL ELEMENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THEN AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY INPUT, THE PAB, THE COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, FURTHER INPUT OTHER SOURCES OF DATA. ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER REPORTS? I THINK THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT. I THINK SOMEBODY WANTED US TO LOOK AT WHAT THE CORPS HAD DONE WITH THE COASTAL STORM RISK MANAGEMENT STUDY, THE PREVIOUS DRAFTS OF THAT DOCUMENT. SO WE HAVE THERE'S NOT A LACK OF DATA WITH REGARD TO WHAT THE CITY IS DOING FOR RESILIENCY AND VULNERABILITY OVERALL. SO TODAY, CONFIRMING THE DIRECTION FROM YOU THAT YOU LIKE, THAT APPROACH, THAT DUAL APPROACH OF AN OPTIONAL ELEMENT, BUT ALSO POLICIES WITHIN THE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, A COUPLE OF OTHER THEMES THAT JUST IN MY EXPERIENCE, I THINK ARE GOING TO BE IMPORTANT TO MAKE IN IN THIS POTENTIAL NEW AREA OF POLICY MAKING, THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN PUBLIC ASSET ADAPTATION AND WHAT YOU WANT THE PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS TO BE ABLE TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU GOING TO ALLOW THEM TO COME IN AND PUT FIVE FEET OF FILL ON THEIR PROPERTY AND A VERY HIGH SEAWALL, YOU KNOW, WITH RETAINING WALLS? I MEAN, ARE WE GOING TO GO? AND I SAY THAT AS AN EXTREME, ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW THAT, OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ONLY GOING TO ALLOW FILL TO THE EXTENT THAT IT CAN BE HARMONIZED WITH THE ELEVATION OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, AND THAT THERE MAY BE SOME LIMITS ON THAT, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE A PRO AND A CON TO THAT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE WANT PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS TO DO. BUT AGAIN, IT GOES TO THAT THEME OF CHARACTER. YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF THE RUB THAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER. WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THESE MEASURES TO MAKE THEIR PROPERTIES MORE RESILIENT. BUT ARE WE SACRIFICING CHARACTER, ESTHETIC LOOKS, GREEN SPACE IN THAT PROCESS? SO THAT'S THAT'S A CONVERSATION TO BE HAD COLLABORATION WITH OTHER ENTITIES TO ADAPT TO THE ASSETS OF THE CITY DOES NOT OWN YOU DON'T OWN THE POWER INFRASTRUCTURE. YOU DON'T OWN THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS INFRASTRUCTURE. YOU DON'T OWN COUNTY OR STATE OR FEDERAL BUILDINGS WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY. BUT AS PART OF INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION WITH THE COUNTY OR WITH OTHER AGENCIES AND ENTITIES, YOU CAN PROVIDE THE DATA FROM YOUR VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT AND SAY, THIS IS WHERE WE PERCEIVE THAT THAT FLOOD RISK IS GOING TO HAPPEN AND WHEN IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN, AND WHAT TYPE OF FLOOD RISK IS GOING TO OCCUR. SO SHARING THAT DATA WITH OTHER SERVICE AND ASSET PROVIDERS IS A REALLY IMPORTANT METHOD OF INTERGOVERNMENTAL COORDINATION. AND THEN THE FINAL PIECE I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT IN THIS ELEMENT WHEN WE PRESENT IT TO THE PUBLIC, IS MANAGING EXPECTATIONS ON FLOOD RISK. THAT EXAMPLE THAT I PROVIDED BEFORE, LIKE WE'RE NOT ALWAYS MANAGING FOR STORM SURGE, AND PEOPLE NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE IMPACTED BY STORM SURGE AND THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE LIMITATIONS ON WHAT WE CAN DO.

AND THAT IS A MUCH HARDER CONDITION TO MANAGE THAN PERHAPS WHEN A SITE IS BEING REDEVELOPED THAT'S CONNECTED TO A TIDAL WATER BODY. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY PUT CHECK VALVES ON THEIR STORMWATER DRAINAGE SYSTEMS, SO IT'S NOT HAVING SALT WATER COME UP THE DRAINAGE SYSTEM AND ONTO THE STREETS. YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE CAN MANAGE AND CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO BE BEYOND OUR CONTROL. SO HAVING THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE PUBLIC, I THINK, IS GOING TO BE VERY IMPORTANT. AS WE ROLL THIS ELEMENT OUT, BECAUSE EVERYBODY WANTS A CITY TO BE MORE RESILIENT, BUT THEY DON'T NECESSARILY ALWAYS UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS OR WHAT THE WHAT THE LIMITATIONS ARE.

SO THAT'S THE END OF THE RESILIENCY SLIDES. IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR ME, I KNOW I TALK REALLY FAST. SORRY. MR. SO. SO WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT HOW WE WANT TO USE THE COMP PLAN TO KIND OF HAVE OUR CODES LINE UP WITH THAT. SO CAN YOU KIND OF JUST

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THE CITY IS A VERY ACTIVE PARTICIPANT IN THE NFIP COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM. PART OF BEING INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM IS PUBLIC INFORMATION. SO COORDINATING THOSE EFFORTS THAT YOU'RE COMMUNICATING NOT JUST THE FLOOD RISK CURRENTLY, BUT THE FLOOD RISK OF TOMORROW. SO PEOPLE CAN MAKE CHOICES SOMETIMES IF THEY WANT TO BUILD BACK TO THE EXTENT THAT THEY CAN FIT WITHIN YOUR CODE, THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD BACK STRONGER. THEY'RE GOING TO TEND TO IF THEY'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE INSURANCE PROCEEDS AND THE MONEY TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT WHEN THEY'RE REDEVELOPING. SO YOU KNOW THAT I BELIEVE THE ANSWER IS YES, THAT IT WILL HELP PEOPLE IF WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, THAT, RIGHT, MIX OF POLICIES. BUT EDUCATION IS A HUGE COMPONENT OF THAT. MR. SCHULTZ, EXCUSE ME. YOU BROUGHT UP THE COASTAL STORM COMMITTEE. I WAS THE CHAIRMAN OF THAT. YES, I KNOW, AND I HAD A CONVERSATION WITH ANYBODY FROM JOHNSON ABOUT THAT EXPERIENCE. AND THAT'S THE NORTHERN PART OF THE CITY, WHICH, YOU KNOW, SINCE THERE'S NO REPRESENTATION ON CITY COUNCIL FROM ANYBODY UP THERE, MOST FOLKS DON'T CARE. BUT WE DO. AND THE EXPERIENCE THAT I HAD IN THAT COMMITTEE WAS WAS VERY EYE OPENING. AND I HOPE AT SOME POINT MAYBE WE COULD MAYBE HAVE A CUP OF COFFEE HERE. BREAKFAST SOMEWHERE. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I MEAN, IT'S ANOTHER SOURCE OF DATA, I WILL TELL YOU THAT. I FEEL LIKE THE THE MODELING THAT WAS DONE IN YOUR 2023 VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT AND YOUR 2024 ADAPTATION PLAN MEETS ALL OF THE STATE STANDARDS THAT THEY REQUIRE FOR THE MODELING, WHICH IS A RANGE OF CONDITIONS, LOW AND HIGH SEA LEVEL RISE.

GENERALLY, THOSE ARE THE SAME CONDITIONS THAT THE CORPS IS MODELING TO. BUT THE CORPS USUALLY IN THOSE STUDIES, IS FOCUSING MORE ON THAT STORM SURGE COMPONENT THAN YOU WOULD IN A VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT. SO THAT'S JUST AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION. BUT THE IDEAS OF PROJECTS AND, YOU KNOW, PROTECTION MECHANISMS AND MITIGATION MECHANISMS, THAT'S ALL IMPORTANT INFORMATION WITH OUR BUILDING GOT HAMMERED DURING THE END. WE GOT HIT FROM CLAM BAKE. WE DIDN'T GET HIT FROM THE GULF. RIGHT. WE CAME AROUND FROM CLAM BAY. AND THEN THE RISING CANALS IN THE VENETIAN BAY OVERRUN. SO IT ALL INTERLINKS RIGHT WHERE WE LIVE IN THE NORTHERN PART OF THE CITY. SO THE CSR HAS A LOT OF DATA ON THAT. SO THANK YOU FOR EVEN MENTIONING IT. GREAT. THANKS. EXCUSE ME. SO I OH GO AHEAD. JUST A JUST A QUICK COUPLE OF COMMENTS. I HEARTILY ENDORSE A SEPARATE COMMUNITY RESILIENCE ELEMENT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. I THINK THEY'D BE EXTREMELY HELPFUL. I ALSO LIKE THE IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, SEPARATE CATEGORIES FOR PUBLIC VERSUS PRIVATE INITIATIVES. AND SO I THINK THIS WOULD BE ALL EXTREMELY USEFUL TO HAVE THAT IN ONE ELEMENT IN THE PLAN. BUT BUT THE THING THAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD CORRECTLY IS EVEN THOUGH SOME, YOU KNOW, THERE'D BE ALL OF THE RESILIENCY ELEMENTS IN THAT PART OF THE PLAN, IT WOULD ALSO BE REPEATED IN THE VARIOUS SECTIONS AS RELEVANT IN OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE PLAN, RIGHT WHERE IT MAKES WHERE IT MAKES SENSE TO DO IT. I MEAN, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE SEPARATE ELEMENT AND THEN LOAD 20 MORE NEW POLICIES INTO EACH. YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO HAVE THE BULK OF IT IN THE RESILIENCY EFFORT BUT OR ELEMENT BUT WHERE WE CAN REINFORCE IT. ABSOLUTELY. SO I, I NEED TO DID YOU, MR. FOWLER, JUST SAY YOU SUPPORT HAVING A SEPARATE RESILIENCY? I DO VERY MUCH BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU HAVE A SEPARATE ELEMENT WHEN WE HAVE ELEMENTS SUCH AS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. SO YOU'RE GOING TO WANT TO PUT RESILIENCY WITHIN THAT. YOU HAVE THE COASTAL MANAGEMENT ELEMENT. SO WHAT WHAT WILL THE RESILIENCY BE THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN INCORPORATING IT INTO ALL THE ELEMENTS THAT WE HAVE. MAKING SURE THAT THESE ELEMENTS HAVE RESILIENCY. WELL YOU HAVE

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MR. YOUNG, THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU SPECIFICALLY ON THIS. JUST JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND, WHEN WE BEGAN THE RESILIENCY DISCUSSION, WE BROUGHT THEM IN TO THE PRELIMINARY WORKSHOPS AND OFFERED THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT. AS FAR AS HAVING A SEPARATE SECTION, I THINK IT'S ABSOLUTELY PARAMOUNT THAT IT'S A SEPARATE SECTION IN THIS IN THIS COMP PLAN. AND THE REASON BEING, THINGS CAN GET LOST IN CODE AND IN SECTIONS THAT DON'T DEFINE A GENERAL PURPOSE. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS YOU CAN TALK ABOUT HEIGHT, YOU CAN TALK ABOUT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. I CAN TELL YOU YOU ALREADY HAVE A, A FUND TO, TO BUY VACANT LAND. BUT IF YOU'RE NOT GELLING ALL OF THOSE ATTRIBUTES TOGETHER IS I'M BUYING IN. MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE FUNDING SLIDE THAT SHOWED THE CORRELATION. BECAUSE RESILIENCY MEANS A LOT TO A LOT OF PEOPLE. AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE A PLACE TO CAPTURE THEM THAT THAT THEN GOES BACK. AND MAYBE THERE'S NOT EVERY SECTION IN THAT RESILIENCY HAS AS MUCH MEAT ON THE BONES BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY DEFINED IN THE CAPITAL. BUT IT'S IMPERATIVE THAT YOU GO TO ONE PLACE INSTEAD OF REFERRING BACK TO CHAPTER ONE, TWO FIVE, SECTION F, CODE TWO, OR HYPHEN TWO TO FIND THE SECTION THAT YOU WANT TO GET TO TO SAY, WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT RESILIENCY? SO FROM MY STANDPOINT, I THINK THAT CORRELATION MUST BE THERE. THE OTHER PART IS, I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT THESE PROPOSALS ARE BEING DONE IN A VACUUM. THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF CONVERSATION THAT'S GOING INTO THIS TO SAY, HERE'S WHAT WE WANTED TO DO ON RESILIENCY.

HERE'S WHAT WE DID ON FUNDING. AND OH, BY THE WAY, THIS ONE IS LIMITED. MEANING STORM SURGE IS NOT IS LIMITED TO YOU CAN'T USE YOUR STORMWATER FUNDS OUT OF TO TO TO MITIGATE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S A DIFFERENT COMPONENT. THAT'S YOUR GENERAL CAPITAL DOLLARS. WHAT ARE YOU DEDICATING TO THAT. SO I THINK THAT BY PUTTING IT IN ITS OWN SECTION, THOSE FINGERLINGS THAT WHERE IT OVERLAPS IS IT THEN BECOMES A CONVERSATION. IS IT BETTER TO LEAVE IT THERE, OR IS

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I DON'T NEED A CONSENSUS THAT I'M GOING TO BRING THE RECOMMENDATION BACK TO YOU, THAT THAT RESILIENCY HAVE ITS OWN SECTION, AND YOU CAN AT THE TIME WHEN YOU'RE GOING THROUGH ALL THE OTHER SECTIONS, SAY, NO, WE DON'T AGREE. THIS IS BELONGS THERE. IT DOESN'T BELONG HERE.

IF YOU WANT TO GAIN CONSENSUS ON ANY ITEM, I'LL NEVER STOP YOU FROM THAT. BUT I ALSO WANTED TO PRESENT TO YOU THAT THAT SHE'S PRESENTING THE STRATEGY AS WE THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER. IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE LOOKED AROUND THE ROOM AND AND CONSENSUS WAS, YEAH, LET'S DO IT AND MAKE SURE. BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE CONSENSUS ON IT, WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF A LOT OF GROUND TO COVER. AND I THINK THAT COMING BACK TO YOU WITH THE RECOMMENDATION ON SOMETHING, UNLESS WE'VE HAD DEFINITIVE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH OUR RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDLESS. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. SO LET ME RECAP IT. AND JUST I'M TRYING TO NAIL IT DOWN IN YOUR MIND, IN YOUR PLANS. YOUR THOUGHTS ARE TO COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL WITH RECOMMENDATIONS FOR A DECISION RELATED TO ACTION. CORRECT. AND THIS IS EVERY ONE OF THESE STATEMENTS, FROM THE 3D MODELING TO THE SEVEN DIMENSIONAL. I STILL HAVE FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS THAT I WANT TO GET TO ON THAT, BUT THEY'RE TAKING NOTES AND WANT TO BRING BACK TO YOU A PLAN WITH DIRECTION. IT'S NOT EVERY TIME SOMETHING ISN'T. IT'S NOT A ZERO SUM GAME. UNLESS YOU ALL AGREE WE'RE NOT MOVING FORWARD WITH IT'S STILL A DRAFT PHASE WE'RE GOING TO BRING BACK AND SAY, WE BELIEVE WE HAVE CONSENSUS WHERE WE DIDN'T HAVE CONSENSUS, BUT IT'S STILL OUR RECOMMENDATION. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE NEED TO BE DOING HERE. BUT LEARNING FROM EVERY STATEMENT THAT'S BEING MADE, WELL THANK YOU. AND THAT THAT HELPS PREVENT US FROM COUNCILMAN KRAMER ASKING SO MANY QUESTIONS. SO WE KNOW THE PLAN NOW. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. YES. THANK YOU. JUST OKAY, JUST ONE QUESTION. YES. AND, MR. YOUNG, YOU YOU SAID THAT YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS WOULD COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL AND, YOU KNOW, THE ONE OF THE MAJOR RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD IS, OF COURSE, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WOULD YOU COME THROUGH US AS WELL? YEAH. AND I THOUGHT I SAID WOULD COME TO BOTH, BUT IF I DID I APOLOGIZE. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. AND I THINK ERIC ALREADY OUTLINED THE NEXT TIME IT'S COMING BACK TO YOU AND THAT WORK THROUGH PROCESS THAT YOU WOULD GO TO. AND SO. YES SIR. PERFECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, SIR. OKAY I DO. YEAH. AND OKAY. THANK YOU. A LOT OF INFORMATION TODAY. AT THIS POINT I WANT TO START DISCUSSION ON OUR ROUND TWO PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT AND WHERE WE'RE HEADED WITH THIS TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE OR GETTING DIRECTION IF WE NEED TO.

BUT YOU SEE, UP HERE IS THE PLAN NOTIFICATION STRATEGIES. THESE REFLECT WHAT WE'VE DISCUSSED, WHAT WE DID THROUGH OUR ROUND ONE, AS WELL AS WHAT WAS IN THE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT

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SHOULD THAT BE THE DESIRE TO MAIL THINGS? I THINK IT WOULD BE. AT LEAST WE COULD SAY WE CHECKED THE BOX THAT EVERY MAILBOX GOT NOTIFIED, AND WE WOULD DO THAT FOR OTHER PROJECTS, WOULDN'T WE? IF THEY'RE BUILDING SOMETHING AROUND OUR HOUSE AND WE WANT TO NOTIFY FOLKS, WE SEND THEM MAIL. WE DO A OUR CODE REQUIRES FOR ANY OF THE PETITIONS THAT GO FORWARD. WE SEND A NOTICE TO EVERYONE WITHIN 1000FT OF THE PARTICULAR ADDRESS. WELL, I WOULD SUGGEST EVERY CITIZEN IS WITHIN 1000FT OF NEEDING TO BE INVOLVED IN THE COMP PLAN. SO EVERYBODY THAT'S EVERYBODY. I AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE, I MEAN, WE TALKED ABOUT I DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY OF THE EMAILS AND STUFF BECAUSE I JUST LOOKED AT MY EMAILS ON NAPLES 2045 AND I THERE'S NO EMAILS THERE AND I'M ON THE COMMITTEE. I KNOW I SET UP THE FORM. I MEAN, I SET UP THE QUESTIONNAIRE AND STUFF. A MEMBER OF NOAA, NO, I MEAN, AND WHEN I AND I DIDN'T RECEIVE IT.

SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO DO THAT. THAT'S SO WE GOT 100% OF ALL THE RESIDENTS WE HAVE IN THE ENTIRE CITY. WE COULD ALSO INCENTIVIZE IT BY HAVING A ONE OF THOSE DUNK TANKS WHERE YOU THROW A BALL AND BURN BARTON VOLUNTEER TO BE SITTING ON THAT SEAT, AND ANYONE THAT COMES GETS FIVE FREE THROWS. YES. MOST CONTROVERSIAL CONTROVERSIAL CITY COUNCILMAN GETS TO SIT. MR. YOUNG, CAN YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO ADD IS THAT I DIDN'T BRING UP THE AMOUNT I SAID TO BE AGAINST IT IN ANY WAY. I JUST WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF IT.

AND I THINK THAT CERTAINLY I, I KNOW I HAVE IT WITHIN ERICA'S BUDGET OR. SORRY, JOHN. BUT IN EITHER CASE, WE CERTAINLY WE CAN COMPLY WITH THAT REQUEST. AND SHOULD THAT BE YOUR DESIRE? ABSOLUTELY. THAT OKAY. CAN YOU WHAT WAS THE REQUEST AGAIN? THE MAIL TO GO AHEAD. I THINK IT'S MY PET PEEVE EVER AND EVER AND EVER BECAUSE OF OUR MAILING LIST AND THE WELL, THIS WOULD GO TO THE PROPERTY. WE WOULD GET TO THE PROPERTY, WE WOULD GET IT THROUGH JUST AS IF YOU WOULD THE PROPERTY APPRAISER EVERY PARCEL WITHIN THE JURISDICTION, AND THEN IT WOULD BE OR RESIDENT. I DON'T THINK WE WOULD TAKE IT FROM A UTILITY BILL, SEND IT TO THE RENTERS.

IT WOULD JUST BE TO THE HOUSEHOLD OR CURRENT RESIDENT. AND THAT WAY THAT'S THE BEST THAT WE CAN DO TO GET IT IN THEIR HANDS. IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE'RE ALREADY TRYING.

THAT'S THE WAY I WOULD DO IT. MR. KAPLAN, ALSO, WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT THE THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL THERE. I MEAN, THERE HAS TO BE A LIST OF ALL THE ASSOCIATIONS, WHETHER IT'S PARK SHORE OR WHETHER IT'S A SIMPLE CONDOMINIUM AND STUFF. CAN WE GET A LIST OF THOSE AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PEOPLE GET NOTIFIED AND THAT THEN SOMEBODY GETS FEEDBACK BACK FROM THEM SAYING THEY HEARD THIS, AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO SEND THE EMAILS OUT TO THEIR PEOPLE THAT THEY REPRESENT. SO WE DID ATTEND PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL BEFORE THE LAST ROUND. AND THEN WE ARE ATTENDING PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL THIS UPCOMING WEEK. SO THAT THAT IS THE YEAH, THAT'S A PIECE OF THIS MUCH. NO, NO. SO OKAY. BUT THOSE ARE THE PLANNING NEIGHBORHOODS. THOSE ARE THE PARKS FOR MOORINGS. WE DO NOT HAVE A LIST OF ALL LIKE THE EACH INDIVIDUAL HIGH RISE BUILDING HAS ITS OWN HOA. EACH FOUR UNIT CONDOMINIUM HAS THEIR OWN HOA. WE DON'T HAVE A LIST OF OF THOSE, BUT WE DO HAVE THE LARGER NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS THAT WE THEN ASK TO SEND THE INFORMATION OUT. OKAY. THE HOPE IS THAT COVER EVERYBODY, THOUGH, BECAUSE I THOUGHT WHEN WE TALKED BEFORE THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL WAS THERE ARE A LOT OF KNOWN PEOPLE THAT AREN'T PART THIS GROUP, THAT WEREN'T PART OF THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL. AND I GUESS, LIKE I SAID, SO PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL IS THE BIGGER PICTURE. SO WITHIN THAT LARGER NEIGHBORHOOD, YOU'RE THEN GOING TO HAVE SMALLER GROUPS. WE JUST HAVE THE BIGGER. I WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF

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OKAY. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN. I'M A LITTLE RETICENT TO GO HERE, BUT I THINK I HAVE TO. WE OUR BACKS ARE TO THE WALL. 2030 NOW BEAR WITH ME FOR A LITTLE BIT HERE IN 2030.

THERE'S A THING CALLED THE MOON WOBBLE. AND I KNOW THAT SOUNDS RIDICULOUS. IT ISN'T MY TERM, BUT AT THAT PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME, AS WE KNOW, THE TIDES ARE GROSSLY AFFECTED BY THE MOON 2030. THERE IS GOING TO BE A THING CALLED THE MOON WOBBLE, AND THAT THE INFLUENCE OF THE MOON ON TIDES FOR AT LEAST 8 OR 9 YEARS IS GOING TO BE INTENSE. THAT IS, FIVE YEARS FROM NOW.

THEN WE ALSO HAVE A STUDY GO TO NASA TO LOOK UP. MY REFERENCE ON THAT IS NASA. NASA WILL TELL YOU ALL ABOUT THE MOON WOBBLE. THEN IN 2030 WE ALSO WE ALSO HAVE A REPORT FROM THE IPCC, THE INTERNATIONAL PANEL ON CLIMATE CHANGE THAT SUGGESTS THAT BECAUSE OF BECAUSE WE DIDN'T MEET OUR EMISSION STANDARDS, THAT GLOBAL WARMING IS GOING TO CHANGE THE TEMPERATURE OF THE GULF WATER CONSIDERABLY. AND AS WE ALL KNOW, AS WATER GETS HOTTER, IT RISES. SO I THINK OUR BACKS ARE TO THE WALL. AND I GUESS MY QUESTION IS I UNDERSTAND PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. I UNDERSTAND HOW IMPORTANT IT IS. BUT WE'VE GOT A GUN IN OUR STICKING TO OUR HEAD HERE. AND I THINK I MAYBE I NEED SOME ADVICE, GIVEN THE FACT THAT REALLY WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE NEXT 5 TO 6 YEARS, SEVEN YEARS IS REALLY GOING TO BE QUITE DRAMATIC. AND HOW MUCH TIME DO WE HAVE TO PROCESS, GO THROUGH A PROCESS, OR DO WE NEED TO BE MAKING DECISIONS A LITTLE BIT MORE QUICKLY THAN THAT? BECAUSE WE'RE IN OUR BACKS ARE TO THE WALL. DON'T GO TO NASA, GO TO THE IPCC, THE INTERNATIONAL. IT'S A IT'S A IT'S A GROUP THAT LOOKS AT WEATHER. FROM THAT IT'S A NATURAL 18 TO 6 YEAR EVENT THAT HAPPENS. YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE A BRAND NEW EVENT. IT'S NOT LIKE A CENTURY EVENT. IT IS AN EVENT THAT DOES OCCUR OVER 18 TO, WELL, 6 TO 18 YEAR CYCLE ANYHOW. BUT YEAH. YES. BUT ON THE RESILIENCY, ONE OF THE FACTORS WE HAVEN'T REALLY I DON'T THINK HEARD THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER ON IS IT IS THE ONLY SECTION WITHIN. I THINK IT'S THE ONLY SECTION WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WHERE YOU HAVE LEAST RESISTANCE. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU DO NOT HAVE LEGAL AND AUTHORITATIVE PRESSURES OF WHAT CAN AND CANNOT GO IN THERE. SO IT'S NOT, LET'S SAY, AN ESCAPE HALL, BUT IT IS AN AREA THAT IF WE FEEL WE CANNOT GET SATISFACTION IN AREA B, WE CAN USE A RESILIENCE TO CONTAIN WITH LESS CHALLENGE THAT SECTION. BUT YEAH, BUT AS FOR THE FLIER, I MEAN I'M YEAH, I'M VERY UNIMPRESSED WITH WITH THE FLIER THE, THE THE LOOK, THE WORDING BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE FLIERS TO GET A, A PAIR OF FEET THROUGH A DOOR TO PARTICIPATE. AND I CAN'T SEE ANYTHING ON THAT FLIER THAT ENCOURAGES THAT TO HAPPEN. BUT THAT'S A PERSONAL OPINION, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THAT'S NOTHING STATISTICAL OR ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE FACT OF A LOT OF WORDS, A DAMPENING OF INVITE, INVITATION. YOU KNOW, YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NEEDS YOU TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, SILLY, DRAMATIC, JUST SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BRING PEOPLE THROUGH THE DOOR AS OPPOSED TO THE AMOUNT OF DETAIL THEY NEED TO HAVE OR THEY NEED TO CONSIDER TO GET THROUGH THE DOOR. I THINK IT'S MORE LIKELY TO GET PEOPLE TO GIVE UP AS OPPOSED TO SUPPORT. AND I JUST WANT TO THROW IN MY AGREEMENT TO COUNCILWOMAN PENNIMAN'S STATEMENT. I THINK THAT ADDRESSING RESILIENCE TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. ABSOLUTELY. AND

[03:30:06]

AND SO IF WE WANT TO DO THINGS, AND I KNOW THAT WE DO ON RESILIENCY, TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE, BOTH FROM JUST A SCIENTIFIC AND METEOROLOGICAL POINT OF VIEW, BUT ALSO FOR THE FUNDING. THANK YOU, SIR. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ALSO NEED TO LOOK AT PERMITTING AND HAVE A REALISTIC PICTURE AS TO EXACTLY HOW LONG PERMITTING TAKES. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT DOESN'T HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. MR. CONLON, BACK TO THE BUSINESS OF THE FLIER. I THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS FLIER. I AGREE THAT'S GOING TO GET SOMEBODY'S ATTENTION. IF I WERE YOU, I'D PUT ACROSS THE TOP. DISCUSS. COME DISCUSS FLOOD RESILIENCY IN NAPLES. YOU'LL GET A HELL OF A TURNOUT. PUT THAT IN IN THE BOLD LETTERS AT THE TOP. I AGREE. OKAY, SO MY QUESTION IS. IS THE NEXT SET OF QUESTIONS? AND IF WE SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS ARE THINGS THAT WE ALREADY HAVE ANSWERS TO. SO THE QUESTIONNAIRES IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET AS WELL. AND I WANT TO KIND OF GO THROUGH WHAT OUR THOUGHT PROCESS IS HERE. WE'VE GOT THE SAME DEMOGRAPHIC QUESTIONS THAT WE ASKED BEFORE FOR CONSISTENCY. AND THEN WE DIVE ON PAGE. LET'S SEE PAGE THREE. WE DIVE INTO THE COMP PLAN QUESTIONS. THE FIRST SET RELATE TO BALANCE AND GROWTH AND COMMUNITY CHARACTER. AND WE'VE GOT RANKING OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF STRATEGIES THAT WE WANT TO HAVE. COMMUNITY KIND OF GIVE US SOME FEEDBACK ON WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM IN REGARDS TO COMMERCIAL AND MIXED USE BUILDINGS. WAIT, CAN YOU I QUESTION ONE IS CONFUSING TO ME.

I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE GOT HAS EVERYONE REVIEWED THESE NEXT SET SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THAT AND DOESN'T HAVE AN ISSUE WITH SECTION ONE? FIRST QUESTION. NO. AND WE HAVE WE DON'T HAVE THE INFORMATION ON THIS FROM ANY OTHER REPORT. IT DIVES A LITTLE DEEPER INTO UNDERSTANDING WHAT IT IS ABOUT COMMUNITY CHARACTER, THAT PEOPLE PRIORITIZE WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM? IS IT MASSING? IS IT ARCHITECTURE? IS IT THE FOOTPRINT OF THAT BUILDING IN GREEN SPACE? WHAT IS HIGHEST PRIORITY TO YOU? AND THAT RELATES TO COMMERCIAL, MIXED USE AND MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY. IN THE SAME VEIN. SO SOME TIME, YEAH. NEXT ONE.

ALL RIGHT. THEN WE DIVE INTO SOME RESILIENCY TYPE QUESTIONS. AND OH WAIT NUMBER TWO EVERYONE'S OKAY WITH THOSE QUESTIONS. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS GROUP IS THAT THESE QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO ADDRESS WHAT THIS GROUP IS LOOKING TO FIND TO BE ABLE TO INCORPORATE INTO THIS COMP PLAN, BECAUSE I DON'T YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET ANOTHER SURVEY.

WE THINK WE NEED ANOTHER SURVEY TO THE PUBLIC AND THAT THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE NEEDED. MADAM MAYOR. YES. MR. QUESTION. SO ON THE FLOOR NOW IS A DISCUSSION ABOUT THESE QUESTIONS. IF IT WERE THE WILL OF THIS GROUP TO ALTER IN SOME WAY THESE QUESTIONS TELL US HOW, IF AT ALL, IT WOULD INFLUENCE THE OUTCOME OF RESPONSES IN COMPARISON TO RESPONSES ALREADY RECEIVED. YEAH. SO MANY OF THESE QUESTIONS. IN THE FIRST ROUND WE TRIED TO IDENTIFY.

SOME OF WHAT THE ISSUES ARE. AND THIS ROUND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS NOW WE'VE GOT SOME STRATEGIES TO ADDRESS WHAT WHAT ISSUES YOU'VE IDENTIFIED. PLEASE RANK THEM BECAUSE WE CAN'T DO EVERYTHING OBVIOUSLY. SO THAT STARTS TO SET YOUR PRIORITIES AND WHAT YOU WANT TO ADDRESS WHEN, HOW AND HOW MUCH IT MIGHT COST IN THE FUTURE. ARE WE AT LIBERTY? I MEAN, WE'RE ABSOLUTELY WE'RE THE GROUP PAYING FOR THE SURVEYS. RIGHT. SO. ANY INPUT YOU CAN

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SO WE'D BE LOOKING AT HOPEFULLY GETTING AN ACTIVATED BY THURSDAY. YEAH. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I JUST WANTED TO ASK THAT QUESTION. I'M NOT SURE. YES, PLEASE. PARDON. JUST TO FOLLOW UP ON THAT, I THINK I'M GOING TO TRY TO GET A LITTLE MORE SUCCINCT ON THIS QUESTION.

IF WE IF WE CHANGE THESE QUESTIONS AND WE GET A NEW SET OF DATA, IS THE NEW SET OF DATA GOING TO TAINT THE OLD SET OF DATA? IS IT GOING TO TO CAUSE THE OLD SET OF DATA TO NO LONGER BE VALID? BECAUSE WE'VE WE'VE CHANGED THE QUESTIONS AND THEREFORE WE'RE CHANGING THE RESPONSES. INTERESTING. NO, I DON'T I DON'T BELIEVE SO. DEPENDING ON HOW WHERE YOU WANT TO GO WITH THE QUESTIONS, OBVIOUSLY IT MIGHT BE A WHOLE NEW SET OF QUESTIONS, BUT I THINK THAT WAS THE CONCERN. YEAH, WE WE TRIED IT DOES DEPEND ON HOW WE CHANGE THE QUESTION. YEAH I MEAN WE TRY TO CAN POTENTIALLY HAVE NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THE DATA ALREADY RECEIVED. IF YOU DON'T CHANGE THE QUESTIONS IN A FASHION THAT THAT THAT WOULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE DATA, THAT'S GREAT. BUT WE DO NEED TO BE CAUTIOUS ABOUT HOW WE POTENTIALLY CHANGE THESE QUESTIONS FOR A NEW SET OF DATA SO THAT IT DOESN'T NEGATIVELY AFFECT AFFECT THE OLD SET OF DATA. THANK YOU. AND I, I SUPPORT TAKING YOU OFF THE DUNK TANK OKAY. SO YEAH, MAYOR, IF I MAY KRAMER I THIS IS WHAT Y'ALL DO FOR A LIVING, RIGHT? WE DO PLANNING FOR A LIVING. MY OUR GROUP DOES PLANNING. WE HAVE OUR, WELL COMMUNITY OUTREACH SPECIALISTS THAT ARE ALSO HERE. WELL, THAT'S WHO I'M TALKING TO. AND SO I'M CONCERNED WITH I DON'T WANT TO MICROMANAGE THAT. AND I HAVEN'T BUILT ALL KINDS OF SURVEILLANCE FOR ALL SORTS OF THINGS. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, GATHER THE DATA. AND THEN AS A COLLECTIVE NEEDS ASSESSMENT, YOU ONE LEADS TO THE OTHER. AND SO I'M JUST I'M NOT SURE WE WANT TO GO IN AND TRY TO MICROMANAGE. I DON'T WANT TO. AND IF IT WASN'T A GOOD JOB WASN'T BEING DONE I NEED TO HIRE SOMEBODY ELSE. NO, I'M NOT TRYING TO MICROMANAGE IT. I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE ON HERE.

LIKE, DO YOU FEEL SAFE IN NAPLES IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A AN IMPORTANT QUESTION THAT IS NEEDED AT THIS TIME? I'M RELEVANT TO THE DATA WE NEED TO PUT INTO THE COMP PLAN. WELL, I'M JUST SAYING MY, MY GUESS AND I COULD BE COMPLETELY I COULD BE WRONG. MAYOR, I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE ARE A INDUSTRY STANDARDS, BEST PRACTICES AND THEN TEST BANK QUESTIONS. I SHOULDN'T SAY TEST BANK WHATEVER. SURVEILLANCE BANKS WHERE LIKE WHEN YOU DO THIS SORT OF THINGS, THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE GENERALLY ASKED. THAT'S AN ASSUMPTION I'M MAKING. AM I CORRECT IN THAT. OKAY. AND I AND I UNDERSTAND IF YOU WANT TO FINE TUNE IT SOMEWHERE OR OTHER TO MEET TO RESPOND TO THE INFORMATION YOU ALREADY GOT.

WHICH IS TO BYRNE'S POINT, THE DATA DRIVEN QUESTIONS THE NEXT GO AROUND. THAT'S THAT'S MY ASSUMPTION, IS THAT ALL THAT IS HAPPENING. RIGHT? RIGHT, ABSOLUTELY. LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, WE KNOW THAT FLOODING IS ONE OF THE MAJOR ISSUES THAT IN CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE COMMUNITY. SO NOW HOW DO WE ADDRESS SOME OF THAT. THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO. YEAH. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M FOLLOWING THAT I'M TAKING THE RIGHT WAY. THANKS. OKAY. MR. MAYOR, MY CONCERNS IS IRRESPECTIVE OF GOING INTO THE DETAIL OF WHICH QUESTION IS THE FORMAT AND THE PROCESS IS INCONSISTENT WITH GOING FROM, YOU KNOW, A ONE, TWO, THREE, WHICH THOSE PEOPLE WHO ARE, WHO ARE, LET'S SAY, STRUCTURALLY PUT IN THE SURVEYS TOGETHER SHOULD BE FULLY AWARE DOES REDUCE THE QUALITY OF INPUT FROM A RESPONDENT. THAT'S WHY THEY USE THINGS LIKE A LIKERT SCALE WHICH IS FIVE STRONGLY AGREE, ETC. THEN YOU MOVE OVER THE NEXT PAGE AND THEN YOU'VE GOT AN UP DOWN RESPONSE, YOU'VE GOT A LEFT RIGHT RESPONSE, THEN YOU HAVE GOT MORE OF A LIKERT SCALE TYPE OF RESPONSE, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT A TICK BOX RESPONSE. IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT YOU'RE DOING, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ASKING SOMEBODY TO DO THIS, TO DO THIS, YOU'RE NOT GIVING A CONSISTENCY IN ASKING. WHEREAS I THINK WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK, ALL THE PHRASES WITHOUT CHANGING ANY PHRASEOLOGY COULD BE GONE DOWN SO THAT THE PARTICIPANT IS FOLLOWING THE SAME PROCESS. LET'S SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, 1 TO 5 OR A, B, C OR CHECK A BOX, BUT THE PHYSICAL ACTIVITY THAT YOU'RE ASKING THE PERSON TO DO IS CONSISTENT.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS SURVEY, IT'S NOT CONSISTENT. AND TO ASK SOMEBODY WHETHER THEY WANT MORE, LESS OR THE SAME IS NOT A HIGHLY QUALITATIVE. IF YOU WANT MUCH MORE. AND THOSE TYPES OF PHRASEOLOGY MAKE FOR A MUCH BETTER QUALITY. BUT TO ACTUALLY

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I'M NOT SAYING IT'S THE RIGHT WAY. I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE. LET ME ALSO MENTION THAT THIS IS JUST A WORD DOCUMENT. YEAH, THAT THE ONLINE WILL BE SET UP A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT THE SAME TYPES OF QUESTIONS WILL BE ON IT. I GUESS MY CONCERN IS WITH WHAT THE STAFF HAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL OR TO OUR OTHER COMMITTEES. ARE THE RELEVANT ISSUES INCORPORATED IN THIS SURVEY? THAT'S WHERE I'M COMING FROM. I MEAN, YOU MAY HAVE GENERAL QUESTIONS AND SURVEYS, BUT I'M LOOKING MORE IF WE'RE GOING TO ASK OUR COMMUNITY TO TAKE TIME TO FILL SOMETHING OUT, THAT IT'S RELEVANT TO OUR CITY. AND LIKE, I'LL JUST PICK ON ONE. AND THAT'S THE ENHANCING OF GREEN AND OPEN SPACE. AND ONE OF THE QUESTIONS IS INCREASE THE NUMBER OF COMMUNITY PARKS ON THE BEACH AND BEACH ACCESS POINTS. WELL, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND FROM THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE LEVEL OF SERVICE AND CONCURRENCY, WE CAN'T THE NUMBER OF BEACH ACCESS POINTS. THAT'S TRUE. ALL RIGHT.

NOT THE ANSWER TO NUMBER. WHEN WHEN WE YOU KNOW, AT ONE POINT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, ARE YOU ENCOURAGING THEM TO SAY INCREASE THE NUMBER OF BEACH ACCESS POINTS WHEN WORDING MAKES A DIFFERENCE? IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE IN THINKING THAT THAT'S AN OPTION FOR US TO DO RIGHT. WE DID GET FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY WHERE THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THE BEACH ACCESS POINTS WERE MORE OF LIKE A PARK TYPE ENTRYWAY, AND MAYBE THAT'S WHERE WE HAD WITH US, AS OPPOSED TO JUST PARKING AREA IN SOME AREAS. AND MADAM MAYOR, IF I MAY, YES, MR. VICE MAYOR, WELL, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THE POINT THAT I THINK THE QUESTIONS HAS TOO MANY ELEMENTS TO IT AND THAT IT'S ASKING ABOUT WHAT YOU WANT, ADDITIONAL PARK SPACE AND THE OTHER. AND BEACH ACCESS IS BY QUANTITY. SO SO I MEAN, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU CAN I THINK IT MAY BE BETTER TO HAVE IT SPLIT INTO TO TWO QUESTIONS. AND THE ONE BEING RELEVANT IS IS IT ONE IS IS IS YOU WANT INCREASED GREEN SPACE AND PARKLAND. THAT'S A SEPARATE QUESTION. AND THE OTHER IS DO YOU WANT YOUR BEACH ACCESSES TO BE MORE LIKE PARK AREAS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT IT'S NOT INCREASING THE NUMBER OF BEACH ACCESS POINTS. THAT'S MY ONLY RECOMMENDATION, BECAUSE I THINK YOU HAVE A LOT COMPACTED INTO THAT COMPOUND SENTENCE. FOR LACK OF BETTER. AND THAT'S WHY I'M I JUST THINK THAT I COULD SCRUTINIZE AND GIVE ALL KINDS OF RECOMMENDATIONS TO THIS. AND I JUST REALLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE ASKING QUESTIONS THAT THEY'RE REALLY RELEVANT TO WHAT WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON SO WE CAN GET DATA THAT IS BENEFICIAL. AND THERE'S JUST SOME THINGS IN THIS. AND DID THIS GO TO THE DEPARTMENT HEADS TO TO HAVE WORDING LOOKED AT. YOU KNOW, I MEAN JUST ON THAT POINT, I MEAN IF YOU LOOK AT SECTION TWO, QUESTION FOUR, YOU'RE ALREADY PUSHING DOWN AND UNNECESSARILY NEED CONSIDERING LIMITED BUDGETARY RESOURCES.

WHY WOULD YOU PUT THAT BEFORE ASKING A QUESTION? YOU'VE NOT PUT THAT BEFORE. HOW SHOULD THE CITY IMPROVE EXPANDING GREENERY GIVEN BUDGETARY LIMITATIONS? SO WHY WOULD YOU IMPOSE THAT CONSTRAINT THERE AND NOT ELSEWHERE? YEAH, SOME OF MY COMMENTS. I HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. THERE'S NO ROOM FOR AN OPEN ENDED COMMENT. I KNOW STATISTICALLY THAT'S A PAIN IN THE. BUT YOU HAVE. SO IS THERE ANY OF A THOUSAND RESPONSES? COME BACK, YOU PICK SOMETHING

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OTHER COMMENTS OR SOMETHING OR OTHER CONCERNS OR OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT MAKES NO SENSE TO ME. OKAY. AND SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS CAN BE POLITICAL. YEAH. VICE MAYOR I'M SORRY. YEAH. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. SO I'M GOING TO MAKE JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS.

THEN I'M GOING TO WRAP UP A RECOMMENDATION OR AN ASK RELATED TO THESE QUESTIONS. SO JUST ON THE QUESTION OF BEACH ACCESS. THE STATEMENT MAKE IT MORE PARK LIKE. YOU KNOW, IF YOU MAKE IT MORE PARK LIKE AND IT INVOLVES REMOVING PARKING SPACES, THESE QUESTIONS CAN GET WRAPPED UP AROUND THE AXLES REALLY QUICK. I DON'T THINK THAT KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT EARLIER. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO SPEND OUR TIME TODAY TO PARSE AND WORDSMITH THESE QUESTIONS, BECAUSE IT WILL TAKE SOME TIME. BUT I, I HOPE THAT THIS IS GOING TO GO TO MR. YOUNG AND CITY STAFF, ALLOW THEM TO FINE TUNE AND BRING BACK TO US, TO YOU FOR THE FEEDBACK AND FINAL APPROVAL OF THESE QUESTIONS. BUT WE'RE NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME YET ON THESE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. BECAUSE MY THE WHOLE CONCERN, NO OFFENSE TO THE SUGGESTIONS ON THE SURVEY IS, IS SOME OF THESE OR MOST OF THESE QUESTIONS GOING TO HELP US WITH THE ELEMENTS OF THE COMP PLAN? BECAUSE SOME OF THESE ARE SO DETAILED THAT IT'S MORE CODE AND POLICIES AND NOT A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. OKAY.

AGREED. YEAH. MAYOR AND 100% AGREE WITH THE VICE MAYOR'S COMMENTS BECAUSE I THINK, HONESTLY, I THINK THIS QUESTIONNAIRE IS NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME AT ALL. AND I HAD A LOT OF IN FACT, YOU CAN I HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS BUT BUT I WOULDN'T I WOULDN'T POINT OUT TWO THINGS THAT I THINK ARE PRETTY CRITICAL THAT I'D LIKE TO TO MENTION AT THIS AT THIS MEETING. AND THE FIRST ONE IS QUESTION. QUESTION. 19 AND 20 ENSURING COMPATIBILITY. THE QUESTION IS IN THE LAST YEAR, HOW MUCH HAS NOISE FROM THE NAPLES AIRPORT INTERFERED WITH YOUR DAILY ACTIVITIES? I THINK THAT'S THE WRONG STANDARD. I MEAN, YOU CAN YOU CAN DO A LOT OF THINGS WITH AIRPORT NOISE ABOVE YOUR HEAD. BUT I THINK THE REAL QUESTION IS, IS IT COMPATIBLE WITH OR QUIET ENJOYMENT OF OUR CITY OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, SOMETHING THAT TIES BACK IN WITH THE SENSE OF PLACE AND LIFESTYLE AND WELL-BEING CONNECTING BACK TO THE VISION STATEMENT. AND SO I THINK THAT REALLY NEEDS TO BE CAREFULLY, CAREFULLY RECONSIDERED. AND THEN JUST, JUST I'M SORRY TO, TO DO THIS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO TO POINT OUT ONE OTHER ITEM LIKE IN, IN SECTION TWO PROMOTING RESILIENCE. QUESTION SIX THE THE THE FIRST OPTION IS STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FOR RAINFALL EVENTS AND ELEVATING ROADS TO PROTECT AGAINST SEA LEVEL RISE OR TIDAL FLOODING. WELL, HECK, I'M ALL FOR SEAWATER STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, BUT I DON'T WANT TO RAISE THE ROADS. AND SO HOW DO I ANSWER THAT QUESTION? AND SO SO I THINK THAT THAT QUESTIONS REALLY NEED TO BE VERY SERIOUSLY CONSIDERED ABOUT HOW SOMEONE WOULD ENGAGE THAT QUESTION AND THEN ANSWER IT TO GET MEANINGFUL RESULTS. THANK YOU. BECAUSE I WAS THINKING WE DIDN'T EVEN NEED ANOTHER ROUND OF PUBLIC INPUT. IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT QUESTIONS, THAT WE COULD GET WORKING AND MOVE AHEAD WITH SOME OF THE ELEMENTS ELEMENTS, AND THEN GO TO DETAILS ON SOME OF THESE, BECAUSE THEY DON'T APPEAR TO BE INFORMATION THAT REALLY IS FOCUSED IN ON THE GREATER COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ELEMENTS, ALTHOUGH THEY'RE GOOD QUESTIONS, I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WE CAN INCLUDE THEM BECAUSE I, CHRISMAN AND THEN SCHULTZ. SO I HAVE A QUESTION. TO WHAT DEGREE DOES THE NEXT PUBLIC INPUT SESSION REQUIRE THE QUESTIONNAIRE TO BE SENT OUT?

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IF YOU GUYS ARE REALLY INSISTENT ON HAVING ANOTHER PUBLIC ROUND OF QUESTIONS THAT ARE RELEVANT FOR THIS COMP PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD, MR. COLON, I, I SUPPORT WHAT THE VICE MAYOR HAD TO SAY. I DO THINK THAT IT'S FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT JUST CAN'T BOTHER TO COME OUT.

THAT MIGHT ANSWER A QUESTIONNAIRE. I THINK THE STAFF HAS RECEIVED ENOUGH DIRECTION ABOUT TIE THE QUESTIONS TO WHAT'S GOING ON MORE SPECIFICALLY AND NOT YOU LIKE ROSES VERSUS THORNS AND TIE IT TO TIE IT TO THE PLAN. WE TRUST YOUR JUDGMENT. IT'S BETTER THAN NO INFORMATION, AND IT WILL HELP THE GROUP THAT ISN'T COMING TO BE MORE INVOLVED. BUT WE CAN'T, YOU KNOW. WHAT DID I SAY? GET A COMMITTEE TO DESIGN A HORSE.

YOU GET A CAMEL. WE'LL JUST MAKE IT WORSE, MR. SCHULTZ. AND THEN WE'LL WRAP UP ON THIS PIECE. THANK YOU. THE THING I REMEMBER MOST ABOUT BEING INTERVIEWED BY ALL YOU FOLKS TO BE ON PB. ONLY THREE PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS OF ME, BUT THE ADVICE I HAD PRIOR TO IT WAS, HAVE YOU READ THE SURVEY? AND I BELIEVE A COUPLE OF COUNCIL MEMBERS HAD ADVISED ME IN ADVANCE TO PREP FOR THAT. HAVE YOU READ THE SURVEY? AND I LEARNED MORE FROM THOSE LONG WRITTEN ANSWERS OF WHERE THE HEADSET OF THE POPULACE IS THAN BY THE CHECKBOX. MORE PEOPLE AGREE WITH THIS. THE OTHER THING THAT WAS INCREDIBLY ILLUMINATING. LIKEWISE, AN ISSUE CAME BEFORE THE PB FROM PORT ROYAL, AS I WANT TO SEE YOUR SURVEY, AND IT'S SO ILLUMINATING TO SEE HOW PEOPLE EXPOUND ON ISSUES IF YOU GIVE THEM A TOPIC. WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU? I LEARNED MORE FROM THAT SURVEY, FROM BOTH THOSE SURVEYS, AND THANK YOU FOR ASKING THE QUESTION, VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU. OKAY. MR. YOUNG, I THINK WE HAVE OUR DIRECTIVE. WE JUST NEED TO GET BACK AND DO ANOTHER CRITICAL ASSESSMENT, GIVEN ALL THE COMMENTS ON THE SURVEY AND AND GO FROM THERE. AND AS LONG AS IT'S NOT PROHIBITING US FROM MOVING FORWARD WITH THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PIECE, WE'LL DO OUR DUE DILIGENCE ON THAT, INCLUDING A MAILER. IT WOULD BE NICE IF WE TRY TO ASCERTAIN A TARGET DATE ON THE SURVEY SO THAT WE CAN, IF WE'RE GOING TO SPEND THE MONEY TO SEND A MAILER, I WANT TO DRAW THEIR ATTENTION TO WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE AVAILABLE AND MAKE SURE IT'S AVAILABLE ON THAT DAY JUST BECAUSE I DON'T OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO A SECOND MAILER, SO IT'S NOT GOING TO ACCOMPLISH TWO THINGS AT ONCE, BUT WE'LL DO THE BEST WE CAN. I WANT TO GET A TARGET SPECIFIC DATE BY THE TIME WE GET THE MAILER DEVELOPED. OKAY, OKAY. AND SO WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT ALL YOUR CALENDARS. SO WHEN YOU KNOW WHEN THE QUESTIONS ARE COMING BACK, I WAS KIND OF A LEADING STATEMENT.

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AND THEN ADOPTION WOULD BE LATER IN THE YEAR AFTER THE STATE AND THE REVIEW AGENCIES HAVE GIVEN THEIR FEEDBACK. QUESTIONS? YES, PLEASE. BASED ON THAT PREVIOUS SLIDE. YEAH, WE'RE NOW WE. SO HERE'S THE QUESTION. I'M NOT SURE GETTING TOGETHER AND HAVING A PUBLIC DISCUSSION ON THE SURVEY IS GOING TO BE CONDUCIVE TO GETTING IT BACK IN TIME AND BRING MEANINGFUL INFORMATION TO YOU IN MARCH, IN TERMS OF TO BEGIN TO DEVELOP. AND SO THE QUESTION I WOULD ASK IS, ONCE WE GO THROUGH DO ANOTHER ROUND OF SURVEYS, DO I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER IF WE EMAILED EACH RESPECTIVE GROUP GETTING RESPONSES BACK? TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AND THEN, BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'RE ALREADY GOING TO BE SET OUT TO MARCH BY THE TIME YOU GOT PROBABLY TO THAT DISCUSSION. SO I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO THROW THAT OUT THERE TO SEE WHAT THOUGHTS WERE AS TO THAT MAY BE A BETTER MECHANISM, AS OPPOSED TO ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING ON GETTING THE SURVEY QUESTION INFORMATION BACK. DIDN'T MEAN TO HIJACK THAT.

COULD YOU BACK THAT SCREEN THAT. YEAH, BUT BUT WHEN YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DRAFT AMENDMENTS IN MARCH BUT YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE SURVEY OUT, YOU'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO GET IT BACK. I'M NOT I MEAN, I'M JUST PLAYING A CALENDAR THROUGH IN MY HEAD. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO DO THAT. AND SO THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO GET TO THE POINT IS CAN WE DO IT THROUGH FEEDBACK VIA EMAIL, IN THE QUESTIONS AND INCORPORATING THOSE CHANGES ONCE WE DO AN AMENDED DRAFT AND DISSEMINATE IT? I'M JUST TRYING TO CUT THROUGH THE TIME BARRIER HERE. GIVE ME FEEDBACK FROM THIS BODY. OH YEAH. I MEAN WE WOULD SEND OUT ONE TO MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, ONE TO PAB. IT'S GOING TO COME BACK. YOU CAN'T COMMUNICATE. YOU JUST BE RESPONDING BACK AND THEN INCORPORATING THINGS INTO IT. I'M JUST ASKING THE QUESTION BECAUSE THE CALENDAR GETS SQUEEZED VERY HEAVY BY SAYING WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO UNTIL WE AGREE PUBLICLY ON THE SURVEY QUESTIONS. I'M JUST ASKING. IT'S FINE WITH ME. I JUST THAT SLIDE HAS NO VALIDITY AT THAT MOMENT, DEPENDING ON WHAT WE'RE DOING. THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO POINT OUT. I HAVE NO PREFERENCE. I'M JUST ASKING. I JUST WANT TO. EVERYONE HEARD THE QUESTION, OKAY. KRAMER. AND TO THAT POINT, FIRST OF ALL, I DIDN'T I'M NOT WHEN I JUST GAVE THAT RATIONALE TO MR. MAYOR'S POINT, I'M WITH YOU. SEEMS I DON'T AGREE NECESSARILY WITH THAT PROCESS.

AND I THINK MR. FOWLER AND MR. COUGHLIN, ONE OF YOU MENTIONED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, SHORT ANSWER QUESTIONS, THEY'RE THE MOST CUMBERSOME IF YOU'RE THE ONE GIVING IT, BUT THEY'RE THE BEST FEEDBACK BY FAR, OTHER THAN IN-PERSON INTERVIEWS, WHICH WE'VE DONE TOO. WHICH ARE THEN YOU'RE DOING IT ALL RIGHT, THE TRANSCRIBING. BUT I THINK IN THE INTEREST OF TIME. WHAT THE CITY MANAGER SUGGESTED IS A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE THERE'S A BUNCH OF SMART PEOPLE HERE, AND, AND I AND I DON'T KNOW THE, THE BEST FORMAT. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I WANT TO DEFER TO THE EXPERTS. I, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE'RE PAYING THEM. I KNOW HOW MUCH MORE WOULD IT COST IF WE DID ALL SHORT ANSWERS? I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS, BUT I THINK TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, I REALLY. GOT YOU'VE GOT TO GET ASK THE RIGHT QUESTION TO GET THE INFORMATION YOU NEED. AND TO MR. MAYOR'S POINT, IT'S GOT TO BE ASKED IN THE RIGHT WAY SO THAT THE PERSON WILL BE ENGAGED WITH IT. AND PERHAPS THE BEST WAY OF JUST DOING THE CITY MANAGER SUGGESTS, AND THROW AT US AND LET US GIVE SOME INPUT, AND HOPEFULLY THEY CAN SORT THAT OUT. THANK YOU. CAN YOU GO BACK ONE PAGE TO WHAT SORRY, WHAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE DOING

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THAT'S THE THEME. SO WE'D HAVE LIKE A PLANNING ONE ON ONE STATION. WE'D HAVE A RESILIENCY STATION, WE'D HAVE A COMMUNITY CHARACTER STATION. AND THEN THE FOURTH ONE, RIGHT. THE OTHER ONE, WE'RE TRYING TO CAPTURE SOME OF THOSE OTHER VISION VALIDATION THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, WHICH IS 40 MISCELLANEOUS CONCERNS, PRIORITIZING RESIDENT NEEDS, QUALITY OF LIFE, WHERE WE ASKED SOME OF THOSE PRIORITIZATIONS OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE HEARD THROUGH THE VISION VALIDATION STUDY. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THESE STATIONS SET UP ACROSS THE ROOM, AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO COME AND GO AS THEY WILL, THEY WILL THEY'LL WANDER THROUGH THE STATIONS, YOU WILL HAVE GRAPHICS UP, WE'LL HAVE INFORMATION UP, AND THEN WE'LL PROBABLY HAVE DOT VOTING OR SOME SORT OF ACTIVITY WHERE THEY'LL BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY IDENTIFY THE PRIORITIES THAT THEY FEEL ARE IMPORTANT TO THEM IN THOSE DIFFERENT THEMES. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN I WANT TO DO IT AS A DROP IN, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO SHOW UP. AND WE KNOW THAT SOME OF THE FACILITIES HAVE TIGHT PARKING. AND SO WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO COME AND GO AS THEY PLEASE AS OPPOSED TO, YOU KNOW, HAVING HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE DESCEND ON US, WHICH MIGHT LIKELY HAPPEN THIS TIME OF YEAR. OKAY. BECAUSE YOU YOU'RE ONLY DOING THIS FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF. SO DO YOU THINK THAT THAT'S LONG ENOUGH TO GET DROP IN, DROP OUT, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGING LOTS OF PEOPLE TO COME IN AND OUT? SURE. I MEAN, HONESTLY, PEOPLE ARE ARE FOCUSING ON FOR 20, 25 MINUTES, YOU MAY HAVE A FEW PEOPLE THAT WANT TO STAY A LITTLE BIT LONGER, BUT THEY CAN COME IN AND LEAVE, YOU KNOW, AT THEIR LEISURE, OKAY. AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO KNOW THIS WHEN THEY GET THIS, COME BETWEEN THESE TIMES. NO BIGGIE, YOU KNOW? OKAY. YEAH. AND IT'S YEAH, IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THAT MESSAGE OUT THERE THAT YOU CAN ATTEND. EITHER SESSION WILL BE SET UP THE SAME WAY AND COME AND GO AS YOU PLEASE. AND THEN CAN YOU TELL ME A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COMMENT CARD AND WHAT YOU KNOW, HOW THAT WOULD WORK AND WHAT, YOU KNOW, COMMENT ABOUT ANYTHING, COMMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO INSTRUCT PEOPLE. SO, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TIE THIS BACK TO AN ACTIONABLE ITEM, RIGHT? YEAH. I MEAN, THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT WE DO WANT TO CAPTURE, LIKE HOW YOU HEARD ABOUT THE MEETING, YOU KNOW, WHAT DROVE YOU HERE.

AND THEN WE WANT TO FIND OUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE HAVEN'T COVERED HERE THAT YOU WANTED TO TALK TO US ABOUT. AND SO WE'D HAVE THAT INFORMATION AS WELL. WE HAD THESE AT THE LAST WORKSHOP AS WELL, BUT NOBODY FILLED THEM OUT. SO I THINK THEY NEED TO BE MORE PROMINENT IN KIND OF THERE AS AN OPTION FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO JUST SPEAK THEIR MIND. OKAY. AND THEN THAT FEEDBACK WILL FEED INTO THE OVERALL ANALYSIS THAT THE OUTPUT THAT YOU. SO WHEN WHEN WE GET THIS BACK, YES, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE OKAY. THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE SAID IN THE IN THE WORKSHOP. THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE SAID THAT FILLED OUT A SURVEY. YES. SO SO YOU'VE HAD SEVERAL PIECES OF THE INFORMATION NOW COMPILED BY I BELIEVE TIMELINE WISE. I DON'T HAVE IT ON THESE SLIDES, DO I? WE WILL HAVE THAT SUMMARY OF THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. I BELIEVE IT'S THE END OF FEBRUARY IS WHEN IT'S DUE. SO WE'LL HAVE ALL THAT WRAPPED UP AND COMPILED SO THAT ALL THE WHO PARTICIPATED, HOW THEY PARTICIPATED, AND THE RESPONSES THAT WE GOT IN THAT SUMMARY DOCUMENT. OKAY, OKAY. THANK YOU. WHAT DID WAS THAT WHICH ONE THE DATE THAT THE THAT WE'RE THAT WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO COME IN. OH THE THE 12TH FEBRUARY 12TH.

OKAY. JUST RIGHT BEFORE THAT SINCE IT'S ON JUST BEFORE VALENTINE'S DAY, CAN WE DO KICK HER WHERE THEY CAN LEAVE WITH SOMETHING. LEAVE WITH A ROSE, RIGHT. TO SURPRISE THEIR, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF A THING THAT WOULD HELP. AND I SAID, GO PICK ONE UP, WRITE SOME VALENTINES OUT TO EVERY PERSON. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. YEAH. SO THE COMMUNITY WORKSHOP, THE COMMUNITY WORKSHOP WILL BE HELD ON THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 12TH. WE HAVE TWO LOCATIONS AVAILABLE IN THE NORTH END. WE HAVE UNITED CHURCH OF CHRIST AT 5200 CREIGHTON ROAD, AND THAT'LL BE DROP IN ANYTIME BETWEEN 10 AND 1130 A MORNING SESSION. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE ONE IN THE LATE AFTERNOON. TRY AND CAPTURE PEOPLE AS THEY COME HOME FROM WORK AND SUCH ON THE SOUTH END OF THE CITY, HERE AT NORRIS COMMUNITY CENTER BETWEEN 4 AND 530. AGAIN, DROP IN AT YOUR LEISURE. OKAY. AND I DO, YOU KNOW, JUST COMMENTS OUTSIDE. I DO LIKE THE 55. SCALES. I DO

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ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY WITH THE INFORMATION THAT YOU'RE GATHERING AND HOW YOU'RE UTILIZING THOSE BACKGROUND REPORTS TO BECAUSE ONE OF THEM IS THE 2017 BICYCLE PEDESTRIAN MASTER PLAN. SO WE ANALYZED ALL THOSE BACKGROUND DOCUMENTS AS PART OF OUR REVIEW OF EXISTING CONDITIONS. AND THE INFORMATION IS ALL KIND OF SUMMARIZED THROUGH THERE. ANY OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE'VE KIND OF PULLED THROUGH IN THAT DOCUMENT? WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT IT INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHETHER IT BE IN GOALS, OBJECTIVES, POLICIES OR ACTION STEPS. OKAY. WITH THAT? YES. VICE MAYOR.

YEAH, JUST JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS TO CONSIDER. WE'VE WE'VE MANY OF US HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS KIND OF PROCESS SEVERAL TIMES DURING OUR TERM SERVING THE PUBLIC ON THE ON THESE THEMED STATIONS, AS WELL AS THE COMMENT CARDS THAT WE SEE ON THE FORMAT HERE. CONSIDER USING OPEN ENDED QUESTIONS THAT ALLOW PEOPLE TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES ON THE COMMENT CARDS. I'D SUGGEST THAT WE DO NOT GO AFTER ANY SIGNATURES OR IDENTIFYING CHARACTERISTICS OF INDIVIDUALS.

LET'S JUST LET THEM TELL US WHAT THEY WANT TO TELL US, RIGHT? SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENS OR HOW WE INFLUENCE THAT, BUT SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. PLEASE. SO BACK TO MR. YOUNG, YOUR YEAH YOUR CONCERN WITH OPEN EYES. THE SCHEDULE DOESN'T WORK IF WE DON'T GET IF, DEPENDING ON HOW LONG IT TAKES TO GET BACK TO TAB AND IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PUBLIC MEETINGS ON IT. THIS COUNCIL DOESN'T MEET AGAIN UNTIL THE 18TH AND ALREADY HAS A FULL AGENDA. SO THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO GARNER EMAIL FEEDBACK AFTER THE READ, WRITE, SEND IT OUT, GET FOLLOW UP AS OPPOSED TO TWO DIFFERENT TWO MORE PUBLIC DISCUSSION. DOES IT MATTER TO ME? MY ONLY POINT IS PLEASE GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THAT SLIDE HAS NO VALIDITY. IF THAT'S GOING TO BE THE SCHEDULE, IT'S BECAUSE YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO HAVE DRAFT PLAN AMENDMENTS AT THE COUNCIL, AND BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO HAVE THE SURVEY SECOND ROUND OF SURVEY QUESTION BACK THAT THAT WAS MY ONLY POINT. I AGREE WITH YOU. I. I SHORT PERIOD OR SOMETHING.

YOU KNOW, MAYBE MAYBE IT'S A TWO WEEK TURNAROUND, TWO WEEKS AHEAD AND TWO WEEKS AFTER, IF WE COULD DO TWO WEEKS AFTER PUTS US AT THE END OF FEBRUARY, THAT'S 24TH, 25TH, WE WON'T EVEN HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO ANALYZE THE DATA BY THEN. SO MAYBE THREE WEEK, MAYBE TWO WEEKS AHEAD AND ONE WEEK AFTER. YEAH. BUT I MEAN, WE'D HAVE TO GET THE SURVEY RESOLVED IN A WEEK AND MAYBE SIMPLIFY IT CONSIDERABLY AND SPEND MORE OF OUR EFFORTS IN GATHERING INPUT FROM THE WORKSHOPS THEMSELVES. YOU KNOW, I JUST GIVEN HOW MANY PEOPLE RESPONDED TO THE QUESTIONNAIRE AND DON'T WANT TO MISS THAT OPPORTUNITY, IF A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE THE NEXT TEN DAYS, IF WE'RE GOING TO UTILIZE EMAIL TO GET. YEAH, SIGNIFICANT FEEDBACK BY BY FEBRUARY 1ST AND THEN BEGIN TO. SO WE'RE SETTING A CALENDAR WITH THAT EXPECTATION. THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WAS TRYING TO GET AT FROM THIS PERSPECTIVE. THERE'S ELECTIONS FEBRUARY 3RD. NO ONE'S PAYING ATTENTION TO THAT. NO, I, I, I'M DOING EVERYTHING THAT I CAN. I CAN'T MAKE THEM

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THAT'S WHY WE GOT TO THIS TIMELINE. WELL LET'S TALK ABOUT IT AGAIN THEN. SO THAT WOULD PUT US IN JULY FOR TRANSMITTAL OR AUGUST WOULD YOU NOT MEET IN JULY OR DO YOU NOT MEET IN AUGUST, WHICH IS YOUR MONTH OFF? NO, BOTH. SO SO WE'D BE PUSHING TRANSMITTAL TO SEPTEMBER, WHICH WAS WHAT OUR ORIGINAL CALENDAR LOOKED AT. BUT THE FEEDBACK WE'D GOTTEN AT THAT TIME WAS TO IN ORDER TO CAPTURE AND GET PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE, WE NEEDED TO, YOU KNOW, DO IT IN THE SPRING. SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT THIS KIND OF CONDENSED SCHEDULE. YOU SEE IT BASICALLY THE SAME TIME. YOU'RE NOT YET PUSHING IT TO SEPTEMBER IS. NO, THERE'S NOT ANYONE HERE. SO.

TRANSMITTAL. OH YEAH. WELL, BOTH THE PAB AND THE TRANSMITTAL PHASE, WHICH IS SIX, WOULD BE PUSHED OUT. CAPTAIN, I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ON YOUR SCHEDULE WHERE YOU HAVE THE MARCH, APRIL, MAY, JUNE THING. ARE YOU IS THE EXPECTATION THEN THAT IF PAB PUTS IN COMMENTS ON STUFF ON MARCH, YOU'RE GOING TO PUT CHANGES AND THEN A DIFFERENT THING IS GOING TO GO TO CITY COUNCIL. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE BECAUSE SOMETIMES USUALLY THEY SEE EXACTLY THE SAME STUFF. WE HAVE COMMENTS THAT COME ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT NOBODY ACTUALLY CHANGES ANYTHING. BUT NO, THOSE ARE SEPARATE DRAFTS. WE GOT A DRAFT TWO AND A HALF THREE. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. YEAH. ALSO, IF WE DID HAVE TO PUSH THOSE TWO MEETINGS, IT WOULD PUSH ADOPTION BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A SIX MONTH PROCESS OF REVIEW WITH THE STATE. SO SO ADOPTION WOULDN'T BE THEN UNTIL EARLY SPRING. YEAH. QUESTION. AND I AGREE WITH MR. MAYOR 100%.

MY MY FOLLOW UP IS CAN YOU GET THE QUESTIONS BACK TO US. AND WE GET THE FEEDBACK BACK TO YOU IN TIME TO STAY ON TRACK. CAN DO IT. YEAH. YES. YEAH. LET'S DO IT. OKAY OKAY. SOUNDS GOOD.

PUSHING OUT PRIOR TO ANY MEETING. THEN IT'S UP TO THE MEMBERS OF THAT MEETING TO HAVE DONE THE WORK PRIOR. SO WHEN THEY TURN UP THERE, IT SHOULD BE THERE OR EVEN RESUBMIT YOUR RESPONSES PRIOR TO THE MEETING. SO THEN YOU CAN HAVE YOUR DISCUSSION AT THE MEETING AND WE CUT ALL THAT ELEMENT OUT. AND LET THEM HAVE IT PREPARED FOR YOU. MAYOR, CAN I JUST MAKE.

YEAH. MR. MCCONNELL, I'M HEARING TWO THINGS. SO IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN FULLY VIA EMAIL.

IT WILL NOT BE HEARD AT THE NEXT PLANNING BOARD MEETING. IF WE WANT TO STAY ON THIS SCHEDULE. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY MR. MAYOR'S POINT, BECAUSE I THINK HE'S SAYING PREPARE BEFORE THE MEETING. BUT THE IDEA IS OVER THE NEXT TEN DAYS PRIOR TO FEBRUARY 1ST.

EVERYONE THAT I'M LOOKING AT WILL PROVIDE THEIR COMMENTS ON THE QUESTIONNAIRE, AND THEN MR. YOUNG WILL WORK TO INCLUDE IT. I'M ASSUMING, IN THE MAILER BECAUSE THERE'S A QR CODE ON THE NOTICE. SO IT WOULD MAKE SENSE FOR THE QUESTIONNAIRE TO BE DONE BY THE TIME THE MAILINGS GO UP. MY MY MAIN CONCERN AGAIN, IT'S FROM THE METHODOLOGY POINT OF VIEW, AND IT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER, IF WE IF I PUT A RECOMMENDATION FOR QUESTION C TWO AND THAT WOULD THEN CONTAMINATE THE PREVIOUS INFORMATION. IN OTHER WORDS, IT WOULD SUPERSEDE A PREVIOUS QUESTION. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT. WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T DO CHANGES THAT CONTAMINATE THE PRIOR DATA. AND THAT ISN'T THAT WE NEED GUIDANCE ON. I THINK I THINK SOMEBODY SHOULD BE HEARING ALL THE COMMENTS AND SAY, I YOU'VE GOT A GREAT POINT THERE. BUT IF WE DO THAT, IT THEN PUTS THE KIBOSH ON THAT, WHICH MEANS WE HAVE THAT CONTINUITY. WE DO NOT WANT TO LOSE QUALITY, RELYING ON EXACTLY EXPERTS WILL GIVE YOU THE INFORMATION YOU DECIDED.

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AND I JUST WANT TO REITERATE WITH, YOU KNOW, THAT IF THERE IS COMMENTS FROM THE PAB THAT YOU COME TO THAT COUNCIL MEETING, IT'S NOT SAYING THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR YOU AT.

WELL, THAT'S NOT THE MESSAGE THAT'S CLEARLY COMMUNICATED MAINLY BY MR. CRISMAN AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS THAT WAS HEARD VERY LOUD AND CLEAR. AND IT'S BEEN A VERY BIG DETERRENT.

WELL, I REAL QUICK THERE THEY ARE SITTING AS THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY WITH THEIR DISCUSSION ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. UNLESS THE BOARD VOTES VOTES ONE PERSON TO SHOW UP AT COUNCIL, THEIR OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS ANY COMMENTS WOULD BE AT THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING.

WHEN THE COMP PLAN IS BEFORE THEM, IT WOULD BE. I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ETHICS CODE, BUT YES. SO CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT SCHEDULE? SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT WOULDN'T GO TO THE PAB MEETING? IT DOES IN MARCH. AND CORRECT. AND THEY WILL PROVIDE THE PAB WILL REVIEW THE DRAFT.

THEY'LL PROVIDE THEIR COMMENTS. THOSE COMMENTS WILL THEN BE PROVIDED TO CITY COUNCIL. SO YOU WILL HEAR THE PAB FEEDBACK. A YOU KNOW, THE MEETING THAT'S NOT CHANGING. YEAH, I THOUGHT IT WAS MUCH FASTER THAN THAT. I'VE MISSED. YEAH, I THOUGHT WAS GOING TO ACCELERATE THAT PROCESS. THAT WAS JUST TO LEAVE THAT AS A CUSHION. THAT'S THAT'S JUST THE QUESTIONNAIRE.

I THINK MAYBE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. YEAH. THE QUESTIONNAIRE, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS NOT COMING BACK TO EITHER THE PAB OR CITY COUNCIL. THAT'S ALL GOING TO BE HANDLED VIA EMAIL. THE NEXT OPPORTUNITY FOR ANYONE IN THIS ROOM TO TO REVIEW THE COMP PLAN IS GOING TO BE NEXT. IT WILL GO TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. THE DRAFT AMENDMENTS TO EACH ELEMENT WILL GO TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AT THEIR MARCH MEETING, AND THEN THE PAB WILL MAKE THEIR SUGGESTED AMENDMENTS TO THE DRAFTS. AND THAT'S WHAT WILL THEN BE PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL IN APRIL, ALONG WITH ANY OF THE COMMENTS. I HEAR, I SEE NODDING YES, YES, YES I THAT THANK YOU FOR THE CLARITY. WHEN I CAME TO THE TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING, IN SPITE OF THE BEING A VOTE FOR US, I GOT BODY SLAMMED BY COUNCIL. YOU CAN'T SAY THIS STUFF BECAUSE YOU DON'T SPEAK FOR THE ENTIRE PAB. SO SOMEONE'S GOING TO BE DOING THAT. AND I GOT BODY SLAMMED. YEAH. SO WITH THAT AND AND I'LL USE THIS OPPORTUNITY. ANYONE THAT NEEDS ANY ADVICE ON WHAT THEY SHOULD OR SHOULDN'T DO SHOULD CALL MY CELL PHONE. EVERYONE HAS IT, INCLUDING THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS. IF NOT, I'LL GIVE IT TO YOU. SOME OF YOU HAVE USED THAT OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS AND ASK QUESTIONS BEFORE THE PUBLIC HEARING, BECAUSE THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS EMBARRASS ANYONE ONCE YOU SHOW UP. BUT THE RULES ARE CLEAR. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO AND HAPPY TO HELP WITH ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE IN THE FUTURE. WHAT'S THE PHONE NUMBER? THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. NOT IN PUBLIC, BUT PUBLIC. OKAY. WITH THAT JUST IS THERE FURTHER INFORMATION? JUST REMINDER TO GO TO THE WEBSITE. IT IS WW NAPLES 2045 COMM. PLEASE REGISTER ON THAT WEBSITE. SO YOUR EMAIL IS INCLUDED IN THE DATABASE SO THAT YOU CAN GET NOTIFICATIONS WHEN WE PROVIDE UPDATES AND SUCH. AND ANY QUESTIONS YOU CAN EMAIL INFO AT NAPLES 2045 COMM. AND THERE'S ALSO A COMMENT SECTION ON THERE FOR ANYONE. IF YOU DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THE SURVEY, YOU DON'T HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ATTEND A MEETING. THERE IS A COMMENT SECTION ON THE WEBSITE, SO ANY RESIDENT AT ANY TIME YOU CAN DO IT TODAY, YOU CAN DO IT NEXT WEEK. YOU CAN GO ON AND LEAVE A COMMENT IF YOU JUST HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANT THE CONSULTANT TO KNOW AS THEY MOVE FORWARD, THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. ANYTHING FROM PLANNING STAFF TO ADD TO THIS, BESIDES THAT? NOPE.

ALSO, IF THERE'S A LOT OF DOCUMENTS THAT WERE REFERENCED IN THE CONVERSATION TODAY ON THAT WEBSITE, THE NAPLES 2045 WEBSITE, THEY DO HAVE THE LIBRARY OF ALL OF THE REFERENCE

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RESPOND BY MONDAY. REPLY TO EVERYONE OKAY. NO, DO NOT REPLY ALL. YEAH. DON'T I SAID DON'T REPLY TO EVERYONE I KNOW. NOT REPLY TO EVERYONE LIKE SO. IF WE COULD HAVE THEM BY MONDAY THAT'S GOOD. OKAY, SO WE KNOW OUR MARCHING ORDERS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND ALL YOUR EFFORTS. WE APPRECIATE IT FROM THE COMMUNITY AND FROM PLANNING AND PLANNING ADVISORY AND COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD ON THE 2045 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. NEXT ITEM IS PUBLIC COMMENT. WELL, I HAD INSERTED CORRESPONDENCE AND COMMUNICATIONS AND WITH WITH I THINK BOTH MR. MAYOR AND MR. SCHULTZ, I'LL TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR COUNCIL NOT GIVING DIRECTION OR MAKING REQUESTS OF PAB TO REVIEW THINGS. BUT THERE'S ALWAYS THE.

AND MISS MARTIN WILL MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE IS A REQUEST THAT COMES FROM PAB MEMBERS, THAT IT IS GIVEN TO US TO TO MOVE FORWARD AND MAKE DECISIONS ON OR ANY DIRECTION WE HAVE TO GIVE TO PAB. FOR YOUR REVIEW. A SPECIFIC ASK OF YOU IS A NOISE ORDINANCE NOT AFFECTING THE CARS AND VIDEO, BUT FROM ENTITIES, RESTAURANTS, HOTELS, A NOISE ORDINANCE THAT WE CAN PUT UP A TOWER ON OUR ON THE CITY PROPERTY IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE RELATIONSHIP WE HAVE WITH THE PB PELICAN BAY SERVICES DISTRICT OVER THERE AT THE CUL DE SAC TO MEASURE THE AMOUNT OF NOISE COMING FROM THE PROPOSED WATER PARK, THAT IF THESE FOLKS MAKE IT, IF WE CAN MAKE IT UNECONOMIC FOR THEM TO PURSUE THE WATER PARK BY FINES AND AN HOUR, IF THEY DON'T ADJUST THE NOISE LEVELS BY THE HOUR, THEN WE CAN MAYBE SHOW THE VENTURE CAPITALISTS, THE PRIVATE EQUITY PEOPLE, THAT THIS MAY NOT BE AS JUICY OF A PRODUCT AS THEY WANT TO PUT OUT THERE. TO DEFEND AND PROTECT THE RESIDENTS OF SEAGATE, NAPLES PARK SHORE. BECAUSE THIS IS A BIG DEAL TO US IN THE NORTH. AND YOU ALL, YOU DON'T. I'M NOT SAYING YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT IT, BUT YOU'RE NOT EXPOSED TO IT AS MUCH AS WE ARE. THAT'S WHERE WE LIVE. THAT'S WHERE SOMEONE FROM THIS COUNCIL SHOULD BE REPRESENTED FROM UP THERE. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS A METHOD WE CAN USE TO LEVY FINES AGAINST THOSE FOLKS RUNNING THE NAPLES GRANT THAT WANT TO DO THIS AND SAY IF $5,000 FINE PER HOUR, IF YOU DON'T RECTIFY THIS, THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THESE NUMBERS. THEIR EYES ARE GOING TO ROLL IN THE BACK OF THEIR HEAD ABOUT, WELL, MAYBE WE DON'T REALLY DON'T WANT TO DO THIS. SO, MR. SCHULTZ, THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DISCUSS AT COUNCIL. MR. MCCONNELL, WE CAN'T. YOU NEED TO PULL YOUR.

INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS. THIS IS A PERFECT SEGUE TO THAT. WE TALKED ABOUT JURISDICTIONAL ISSUES. I'VE LOOKED INTO THIS. THIS IS WITHIN THE COUNTY. WE CANNOT CITE COUNTY RESIDENTS WITH A CITY NOISE ORDINANCE. SO WE WE CAN AGAIN, I'D BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO LOOK INTO IT AGAIN, BECAUSE SOME COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ASKED THAT I DO, AND WE CAN BRING IT UP AND I

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YES. AND I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THIS WAS A CONVERSATION BROUGHT UP BY PAB FOR ITS EITHER. TO BE HONEST, THIS IS AS A RESIDENT OF THE CITY WORKING WITH THE COUNTY. AND THIS IS THE INCORRECT FORUM. YES. WHAT IT IS THE INCORRECT FORUM, IT MAY WELL BE, BUT SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE AND WE NEED HELP FROM CITY COUNCIL TO DO IT. OKAY, WELL THANK YOU. YOU CAN MAKE SURE YOU EMAIL CITY COUNCIL SO THAT WE CAN DO IT. MR. MAYOR, YOU HAD THAT QUESTION AND MR. COUGHLIN SAID YOU IT WAS A REQUEST. IF YOU HAVE YOU DISCUSSED THAT WITH PAB WHICH REQUEST ABOUT THE. THE STUDY, THE THE MODELING AND THE MODELING? WELL, IT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HIT A WALL SO MANY TIMES AND YOUR NOSE GETS A LITTLE BIT SOGGY.

SO WHILST I'VE NOT GIVEN UP, I DID SPEAK TO I REQUESTED TO MEET WITH THE PREVIOUS CITY MANAGER THREE OCCASIONS. HE AGREED AND DIDN'T FOLLOW UP. I PASSED INFORMATION OVER TO PLANNING THREE TIMES AND LET ME MAKE CLEAR, I'VE GOT NO VESTED INTEREST IN THIS. NO FINANCIAL GAIN, NO WHATEVER GAIN. I PRESENTED IN FRONT OF CITY ON THREE SEPARATE OCCASIONS. I'VE REFERRED TO THE THING AND IT BECOMES, WHEN DO YOU GET THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED? I'VE EVEN IDENTIFIED AND MADE VERY CLEAR THAT IT WOULD BE A ZERO COST SITUATION. MY BACKGROUND. I'LL GET THERE VERY QUICKLY. MY BACKGROUND IS FROM CONSTRUCTION. BID MODELING IS AN EXPENSIVE THING TO DO UNTIL YOU REALIZE HOW MUCH MONEY YOU SAVE, BUT THE CITY ISN'T GOING TO SAVE THE MONEY. THE DEVELOPERS ARE GOING TO SAVE THE MONEY THEY WILL MAKE, AND THEY WOULD GLADLY CONTRIBUTE. AND MOST OF THEM HAVE IT, TWO THIRDS OF IT IN PLACE ANYHOW.

SO IT'S BEEN COMMUNICATED AND IGNORED, BUT IT'S NOT A PAB ISSUE. SO, MADAM MAYOR, WAIT A SECOND. IT WAS DISCUSSED AT PAB. WAS THERE ANY PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED AT PAB? AND IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT MR. MAYOR MEET WITH THE CITY MANAGER TO DISCUSS IT BECAUSE IT INVOLVED EXPENSE BUDGET ITEMS THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE. THAT'S MY RECOLLECTION, I DID. LET ME JUST CLARIFY THAT THE FROM THAT MEETING, IT WAS TO GET IN TOUCH WITH THE PLANNING DIRECTOR, BECAUSE THAT'S THE INDIVIDUAL WHO WOULD COORDINATE AND HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING I DID, I DID COMMUNICATED THAT WITH EVEN SOME BODIES THAT THEY COULD SPEAK TO. SO I'VE DONE THAT.

OKAY. SO TO YOUR QUESTION, MR. YOUNG, WELL, MY SPECIFIC QUESTION WAS JUST BECAUSE I MADE INTERESTING NOTES ABOUT IT. WE JUST HIRED A NEW GIS COORDINATOR AND SOME OTHER COMPONENTS. I HAD NEVER BEEN BRIEFED ON IT. I DON'T THINK YOU AND I HAVE EVER HAD A CONVERSATION, SO I WOULD LIKE TO REACH BACK OUT JUST FROM THE STANDPOINT OF OF OF BECAUSE IF IT'S WE'VE HEARD IT AND EVERYTHING FROM THE TRAFFIC STUDY DISCUSSION THAT IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL IN SOME AREAS. SO SO I WOULD LIKE TO REACH BACK OUT TO YOU AND JUST GET A LITTLE MORE, PICK YOUR BRAIN A LITTLE BIT, AND THEN WE'LL KIND OF GO FROM THERE. I UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT A REQUEST. THIS IS ME. I JUST WANTED TO CORRELATE TO YOU THAT OR COMMUNICATE TO YOU THAT I DID WANT TO REACH BACK OUT TO YOU FOR THAT. AND I ALSO WANTED TO MAKE NO MISGIVINGS WHEN I MADE THE LAST STATEMENT ABOUT WAS WE ACTING AS PB, I WAS TALKING PROSPECTIVELY. I REALLY WASN'T ABOUT WHETHER THE STATEMENT WAS MADE TODAY. I JUST I DON'T WANT THERE TO BE ANY MISUNDERSTANDING ABOUT THAT. THIS WAS A MATTER OF PRACTICE GOING FORWARD. IF IT'S DISCUSSED, IF IT'S NOT AN ACTION, A PB. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHAT YOU WANTED GOING FORWARD. SO IT'S JUST TO KIND OF END THAT. IS THAT PART OF THE DISCUSSION. THAT'S ALL I MEANT BY IT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU VICE MAYOR. AND WE'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I JUST I WAS PREPARING FOR THIS CONVERSATION FOR QUITE SOME TIME DURING THIS MEETING. AND AS I DID THAT AND I'LL MAKE THIS QUICK, I WENT BACK TO THE GUIDING DOCUMENTS FOR THE PAB AND AND HERE'S WHAT I LEARNED, JUST FOR THE SATISFACTION OF SOME OF US THAT HAVEN'T DUG THAT DEEP INTO IT, THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD SHALL HAVE THE POWER AND THE DUTY TO PREPARE AND RECOMMEND TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR ADOPTION A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN

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KRAMER. AND THEN MAYOR, JUST VERY QUICKLY, I ADMIRE YOUR PASSION FOR YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.

LET ME SAY THAT OUT LOUD. THAT IS ADMIRABLE. AND THIS PROBABLY ISN'T THE FORM I UNDERSTAND.

AND I AND AND I HAVE MANY FRIENDS WHO LIVE THERE. AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW THERE ARE SEVERAL OF US UP HERE CHAMPIONING THAT, THAT DON'T WANT THE WATER PARK AND THAT ARE ALL IN ON TRYING TO DO WHAT WE CAN TO PREVENT ANY DISRUPTION IN YOUR QUALITY OF LIFE. SO WE LOVE THE FOLKS UP IN THE NORTH. YOU ARE NOT ANYTHING BUT RESPECTED AND VALUED. AND TO THE MAYOR'S POINT, I DID THE EXACT SAME THING AND DUG INTO WHAT THE PAB IS SUPPOSED TO DO AND HOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK. AND IT WAS CLEAR TO ME TWO THINGS ONE.

THEY ARE THEY THIS IS THEIR MAIN ITEM ON THEIR ON THEIR AGENDA IS, IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT IS CLEAR FURTHER. AND I DON'T I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PAB. IN REVIEWING FOR PAST MEETING AND STUFF, THERE WERE TIMES WHEN THEY WOULD GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF. THAT'S OUT OF BOUNDS. THE PAB DOESN'T GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF. THEY ESPECIALLY INDIVIDUALS. I WANT GIVE ME THIS INFORMATION OR THAT OR THAT'S NOT THAT'S OUT OF BOUNDS.

BUT WHAT IS IN BOUNDS IS JUST WHAT I HOPE IS HAPPENING HERE IS WHERE AS A GROUP, THEY HAVE CONSENSUS AND SAY, HEY, WE THINK THIS THING IS A GOOD IDEA THAT MR. MAYOR BROUGHT FORWARD.

AND SO COUNCIL RECOMMENDING YOU DO THIS. AND SO AT ANY POINT YOU DEVELOP CONSENSUS AND HAVE THE CHAIR, WHOMEVER REPRESENTS YOU AND COME TO COUNCIL WITH WHATEVER SUGGESTION, I HAVE TO SAY WE'RE ALL FOR IT. I THINK I SPEAK FOR ALL ME WE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT US TO BE INFORMED AND TO MAKE BETTER DECISIONS. SO THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO. IT IS NOW NOT THANKLESS. OKAY. BECAUSE YOU JUST GOT A THANK YOU. BUT THAT'S PROBABLY ALL YOU'RE GETTING. WE DO APPRECIATE YOU. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. JUST TO PICK UP ON THE ON THE TWO POINTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE PREVIOUSLY AS AN EXAMPLE TO TO GIVE AN EXAMPLE, WAS YOU YOU MENTIONED THE TRAFFIC STUDY AFTER GUIDANCE THAT WAS GIVEN TO THE PAB. WERE WE ALLOWED TO LOOK AND INVESTIGATE? IT DOESN'T QUITE WORK IN PRACTICE BECAUSE TO INVESTIGATE ANYTHING WE'LL HAVE TO ASK FOR, LET'S SAY A MEMBER OF STAFF TO TO DO THAT. TO DO THAT, WHAT WAS MADE CLEAR TO US, WHAT WE CAN DO IS WE CAN PUT A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL TO ALLOCATE FUNDING OR THE RESOURCE TO THEN GO AND DO. IT'S JUST SUCH A ROUNDABOUT WAY OF SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL DECIDE WHAT YOU DO AND WHAT YOU DON'T DO. SO FOR, FOR US TO DO ANYBODY TO DO THE JOB WELL, YOU NEED SUPPORT. AND THAT SUPPORT FOR REASONABLE REQUESTS SHOULD BE REASONABLE. AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY FELT, I BELIEVE, BECAUSE YES, WE'RE HELD

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