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[1) Call to Order]

[2) Roll Call ]

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CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. HOW WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? NONVOTING SCHOOL BOARD REP.

LOCKHART IS ABSENT. MEMBER BARONE HERE. ALTERNATE MEMBER. COOPER HERE. MEMBER. CREES.

PRESENT. MEMBER. FOWLER. PRESENT. MEMBER. MAYOR. OH, I'M SORRY, HE'S ABSENT. MEMBER.

SCHULTZ IS ABSENT. VICE CHAIR. KAPPLER HERE. CHAIR. COUGHLIN. PRESENT. THANK YOU. LET'S

[3) Pledge of Allegiance]

PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG. WE COULD PLEASE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ARE THERE ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA? NO, SIR.

[4) Changes to the Agenda]

OKAY. I JUST WANT TO ANNOUNCE THAT I HAVE TO LEAVE BY 11. I'VE HAD CATARACT SURGERY AND I HAVE TO FOLLOW UP WITH MY DOCTOR. AND SHE GOES ON MATERNITY LEAVE AT NOON TODAY.

SO. SO I'M CUTTING IT CLOSE. BUT LOOKING AT THE AGENDA, IF EVERYBODY COOPERATES, WE MAY

[5) Public Comment]

MAKE IT THROUGH. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS FOR SOMETHING THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA? I HAVE NO SLIPS. OKAY. VERY GOOD. APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES OF THE

[6.A) Approval of the November 12, 2025, Planning Advisory Board Meeting Minutes.]

LAST MEETING OF NOVEMBER 12TH. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I WILL MAKE THAT MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES OF THE NOVEMBER 12TH, 2025 MEETING. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.

ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE. AND I WANT TO NOTE I'M ABSTAINING BECAUSE I WASN'T HERE. OKAY. THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA ARE PUBLIC HEARING SEVEN A CHAIR. IF WE COULD FOR A MINUTE. I DON'T THINK YOU CAN ABSTAIN UNLESS YOU HAVE A VOTING CONFLICT. OKAY, THEN I'LL VOTE TO APPROVE IT. THANK YOU. WE ARE APPROVING SOMETHING I WASN'T HERE FOR. OKAY. WE'RE

[7) Public Hearing(s)]

[7.A) A Resolution Determining Nonconformity Petition 25-N5 Pursuant to Section 46-35 of the Code of Ordinances, City of Naples, to Allow for a Change of a Nonconformity Related to parking on Property Located in the C1 Retail Shopping District at 1199 Third Street South, Suite A, Owned by DAKY, LLC, More Fully Described Herein; Providing for Scrivener's Errors; Providing Findings and Conditions; and Providing an Effective Date.]

NOW AT OUR PUBLIC HEARING. STAGE SEVEN A, THE FIRST ITEM IS A RESOLUTION DETERMINING NONCONFORMITY. PETITION 25 AND FIVE, PURSUANT TO SECTION 4635 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, CITY OF NAPLES, TO ALLOW FOR A CHANGE OF NONCONFORMITY RELATED TO PARKING ON PROPERTY LOCATED IN THE C-1 RETAIL SHOPPING DISTRICT AT 1199 THIRD STREET SOUTH. SUITE A, OWNED BY DACII, LLC. MORE FULLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR SCRIVENER'S ERRORS, PRODUCING FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS, AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. WITH EVERYBODY GOING TO TESTIFY ON THIS STAND UP TO BE SWORN, PLEASE. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. PETITIONER. OH. ANY DISCLOSURES? SORRY. NONE FOR ME. NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. WHERE ARE THE BUILDING? NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. OKAY, PETITIONER, WE WANT TO PRESENT YOUR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, CHAIRMAN COUGHLIN.

MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, FRANCESCA PASSIDOMO, FOR THE RECORD.

WE'RE HERE TODAY TO PRESENT A NONCONFORMITY PETITION. THIS IS DUE TO A REDUCTION IN NONCONFORMITY, IN PARALLEL WITH A CONVERSION OF THE SECOND STOREY TO ONE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT. THIS IS THE LOCATION OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY ON 12TH AVENUE SOUTH AND THIRD STREET. JUST TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT TO YOU IN TERMS OF THE. THE MIXED USE BUILDING THAT WE ARE PROPOSING, WE'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THE PRESENTATION AND SHOW YOU THAT THE CONVERSION OF THE SECOND STORY SPACE ELIMINATES NINE NON-CONFORMING PARKING SPACES FROM THE PARKING POOL IN THE THIRD STREET AREA, WHICH WE BELIEVE IS AN ENORMOUS PUBLIC BENEFIT. WE'RE HERE BECAUSE WE NEED TO DOCUMENT THE REDUCTION IN NONCONFORMITY, THE CHANGE IN NONCONFORMITY AS REQUESTED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY. AND WE'RE IN AGREEMENT. HOWEVER, THIS IS JUST THIS MAP IS TO SHOW YOU THIS PROPERTY IN THE CONTEXT OF OTHER MIXED USE DEVELOPMENTS IN

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THE DISTRICT. IMMEDIATELY ACROSS THE STREET IS A MIXED USE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. IT HAS NOT YET BEEN DEVELOPED AS SUCH, BUT IT ALLOWS FOR 15 RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS.

ROBINSON COURT, WHERE THE OLD PUB USED TO BE LOCATED, INCLUDES ONE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT, PETITE SQUARE, WHERE MOSS AND HOFFMAN IS LOCATED, INCLUDES EIGHT RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THE SUBJECT. PROPERTY. THE SWAN COURT BUILDING INCLUDES EIGHT RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS. EXCUSE ME. THE BUILDING AT THE CORNER OF BROAD AVENUE SOUTH INCLUDES ONE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT AND ON 12TH AVENUE SOUTH, JUST EAST OF THE SUBJECT. PROPERTY INCLUDES FOUR RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS. I ALSO WANT TO HIGHLIGHT TO YOU EXISTING CONDITIONS. THIS IS IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF THE CONDITIONAL USE. THIS IS 12TH AVENUE SOUTH. IMMEDIATELY SOUTH OF THE BUILDING. YOU CAN SEE THIS AREA IS STRIPED AS A LOADING ZONE. WHEN THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED. AND THERE'S MATERIALS IN YOUR PETITION, IN YOUR PETITION PACKET, WHEN THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED, PARKING NEEDED TO BE PROVIDED ON THE FIRST FLOOR, AND THAT COULD BE ACHIEVED BY SURROUNDING PARKING SPACES. AT THE TIME THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED, THE FIRST FLOOR ACHIEVED ITS PARKING THROUGH SURROUNDING PARKING SPACES THAT WERE AVAILABLE ON BOTH 12TH AND THIRD STREET. SUBSEQUENT TO THAT DATE, 12TH AVENUE SOUTH WAS RESTRIPED AS AS A LOADING ZONE. THIS DOESN'T BENEFIT THE BUILDING IN ANY RESPECT, NOR WAS CAUSED BY THE BUILDING AT THAT TIME. THE SECOND STOREY DID NOT REQUIRE ANY PARKING. TODAY. THE SECOND STOREY WOULD REQUIRE 11 SPACES. BECAUSE OF THE CHANGE IN THE CODE, WHICH IS THE DEFINITION OF A NONCONFORMITY. THE CODE CHANGE TO REQUIRE PARKING FOR A SECOND STOREY FOR ANY USE, THE 11 PARKING SPACES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR COMMERCIAL ARE DEEMED NON-CONFORMING. WE'RE HERE TODAY. IN TANDEM. AGAIN WITH THE REDUCTION IN NONCONFORMITY, I WANTED TO POINT OUT SOME OF THE IMPORTANT REGULATORY REGULATORY FRAMEWORK AT ISSUE. FIRST, I JUST DEFINE FOR YOU WHAT A NONCONFORMITY IS, WHICH IS THE CITY CHANGED ITS CODE TO NOW REQUIRE PARKING FOR A SECOND STORY, USE THAT DIDN'T THAT DIDN'T EXIST AT THE TIME THAT THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED. SECOND, WHEN WE LOOK AT AN ACTUAL NONCONFORMITY IN 2010, CITY COUNCIL ACKNOWLEDGED THAT PRESERVING HISTORIC BUILDINGS IS AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION. WHEN WE LOOK AT NONCONFORMITIES. SO I PRESENT TO YOU COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING POLICIES THAT TALK TO SPECIFICALLY HOW NONCONFORMITIES FACILITATE THE PRESERVATION OF HISTORIC BUILDINGS. WE MUST USE CREATIVITY SPECIFICALLY WITH HISTORIC BUILDINGS THAT HAVE NONCONFORMING ASPECTS. IN THIS CASE, IT'S THE NONCONFORMING ASPECT OF PARKING. THIS IS THE NONCONFORMITY REGULATION I JUST SPOKE TO IN TERMS OF ONE OF THE IMPORTANT CRITERIA BEING WHETHER HISTORIC RESOURCES ARE PROTECTED. THE PUBLIC BENEFIT I SPOKE TO AT THE OUTSET OF AT THIS DISCUSSION WAS THE REDUCTION IN NONCONFORMITY BY NINE SPACES. SO THAT'S A PERPETUAL BENEFIT TO THE CITY IN TERMS OF THE CONVERSION OF THE SECOND STORY TO A RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT. FINALLY, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT AND STAFF WILL LIKELY SPEAK TO THIS IN THEIR STAFF REPORT. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS OVERARCHING COMMENTARY ON NONCONFORMITY IS THAT A REDUCTION IN NONCONFORMITY IS, IS, IS, IS A BENEFIT, AND THERE IS NO REASON TO PRECLUDE AN ISSUANCE OF A DEVELOPMENT ORDER IF THERE IS A NONCONFORMITY, SPECIFICALLY IF THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION. SO WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS CONFORMITY. BUT THERE BUT WE'RE ALSO ACKNOWLEDGING THAT IN MOVING TOWARD NONCONFORMITY, YOU GET THE PUBLIC BENEFIT OF REMOVING THE NINE PARKING SPACES. WE'RE MOVING CLOSER TO CONFORMITY.

BUT YOU ALSO GET THE OTHER BENEFIT OF PRESERVING A HISTORIC RESOURCE. WE THINK THIS IS A INCREDIBLY LOGICAL PETITION. THE REASON THAT I'M IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY WITH THE NONCONFORMITY PETITION IS, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF THAT CONDITIONAL USE, THE CHANGE IN THE SECOND STORY UNIT AND ENSURING THAT WE ARE ALL CLEAR IN THE RECORD THAT THERE IS A REDUCTION IN NONCONFORMITY. SO WE HAVE TWO PARALLEL PETITIONS. ONE IS THE ACTUAL CONDITIONAL USE, WHICH WE PRESENTED A FEW A FEW WEEKS AGO, AND THAT WILL RUN IN PARALLEL WITH THIS WITH

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CITY COUNCIL, SO THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT BOTH THE USE, WHICH IS THE CONTEXT THAT I PROVIDED TO YOU IN THE MAP IN THE BEGINNING. AND WE'RE LOOKING AT THE REDUCTION IN NONCONFORMITY, WHICH IS THE PETITION IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY. BUT THEY ARE THEY'RE OVERLAPPED. YOU'LL SEE IN THE RESOLUTION THAT THE REDUCTION IN NONCONFORMITY WILL ONLY RESULT IF THE CONDITIONAL USE IS APPROVED. SO THOSE NINE PARKING SPACES THAT THE CITY GETS BACK THROUGH, THE CONDITIONAL USE PETITION WOULD ONLY RESULT IF THE DWELLING UNIT IS ACTUALLY APPROVED WITH THAT. THAT'S THAT'S REALLY OUR PRESENTATION. MR. CHLUMSKY IS HERE WITH ME AS WELL AS HE PRESENTED TO YOU IN OUR LAST HEARING. HIS FAMILY'S OWNED THIS BUILDING SINCE IT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN THE 60S. HIS FAMILY OWNS PROPERTY ON THIRD STREET FOR. OVER HALF A CENTURY, WELL OVER HALF A CENTURY. AND WE THINK THIS IS AN EXTREMELY LOGICAL FIT IN THE THIRD STREET DISTRICT. AND THIS IS A A BENEFIT TO THE CITY. THE FINAL POINT I'LL MAKE IN IN RELATION TO BENEFITS IS THIS LOADING ZONE DID HAVE APPROXIMATELY SIX SPACES. IT'S SERVING NO BENEFIT TO THE BUILDING. IF IT'S IMPORTANT TO THIS BOARD TO HAVE THAT AREA RESTRIPED TO UNLOCK THOSE SIX SPACES, TO BRING BACK NOT ONLY THE NINE THAT ARE NON-CONFORMING, BUT THE SIX THAT WERE STRIPED OVER. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD OFFER IF THE CITY ACCEPTED THAT AS A CONDITION. WE WE THINK THAT THAT THE BENEFIT SPEAKS TO ITSELF. BUT THAT WOULD BE AN ADDITIONAL CONSIDERATION FOR THIS BOARD. THANK YOU. WE APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION.

ANY QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT AT THIS POINT? OKAY. THANK YOU. ONE THAT'D BE OKAY. WHY IS THE STRIPE STUFF THERE NOW? I MEAN HOW DID IT GET THERE. GREAT QUESTION. BACK. LOOKING BACK THROUGH AERIALS, IT APPEARS THAT IT MAY BE SO THIS THIS BUILDING. EXCUSE ME. THIS BUILDING HAS NO NEED FOR A LOADING ZONE. THERE'S NO RESTAURANT AS IT. INDEED, THE BUILDING IS SO SET BACK RELATIVE TO THE SETBACKS THAT WE HAVE NO NEED FOR LOADING ZONE. WHEN I LOOK BACK THROUGH THE AERIALS, IT APPEARS THAT THIS HAPPENED IN IN THE 80S AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN FOR SOME OF THE SURROUNDING RESTAURANTS. IT MAY HAVE BEEN CAUSED BY OUR NEIGHBOR. WE DON'T HAVE THE ACTUAL ANSWER TO THAT, BUT IT DOESN'T BENEFIT THIS BUILDING.

AND IT APPEARS THAT ALL THE BUILDINGS IN THE DISTRICT HAVE ALLEY ACCESS. SO. AGAIN, THE CITY COULD LOOK AT IT AND DETERMINE WHETHER RESTRIPING WOULD BE APPROPRIATE. BUT BUT WE WOULD BE WILLING TO IS THE LOADING ZONE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY OR PUBLIC? IT'S ON.

IT'S IN THE CITY RIGHT AWAY IN THE CITY RIGHT AWAY. OKAY. SO WE WOULD HAVE I WOULD JUST SAY WE WOULD HAVE TO, OF COURSE, RUN THIS BY EVERYONE BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT LOADING ZONE IS, IS SERVING. IT MIGHT NOT JUST BE THIS BUILDING. IT MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, OTHER BUILDINGS IN THE AREA, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, DISCUSS WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. HAS ANYBODY EVER SEEN A TRUCK THERE THAT QUESTION? IT WILL. ANECDOTALLY, MR. CHLUMSKY WAS AT THE BUILDING FOR SEVERAL HOURS AND AND HE SAID THAT HE DIDN'T SEE ANY TRUCKS COMING IN AND OUT FOR, FOR SEVERAL HOURS ON A WEEKEND. SO THE ANSWER IS LIKELY WHEN, WHEN YOU EVEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT AERIALS AND WHEN YOU WALK THE STREET, YOU'LL SEE THAT ALMOST EVERY BUILDING HAS ACCESS THROUGH ALLEYS. AND IN ADDITION, EVERY PROPERTY UNDER CURRENT REGULATIONS MUST AFFORD ITS OWN LOADING ZONE. SO I WOULD SUSPECT THAT IT'S SERVING ALMOST NO PROPERTY AT THIS POINT. YES. DID THE PREVIOUS OFFICES THAT WERE THERE USE THESE SPACES AT ALL FOR THE LOADING ZONE? NO, THEY WERE JUST OFFICE USE. SO THERE WERE 14 SUITES, BUT THERE WEREN'T THERE WASN'T ANY NEED TO REALLY PARK THERE TEMPORARILY AND LOAD AND UNLOAD LIKE YOU WOULD FOR A RESTAURANT OR, OR A HEAVY COMMERCIAL. USE YOUR COMMENT.

YES. SO GOOD MORNING. WHEN WE LAST LOOKED AT THIS PROPERTY, PARKING WAS AN ISSUE THAT WAS RESOLVED, I ASSUME. WELL, THIS IS THIS IS RESOLVING THAT IN THE SENSE THAT WE'RE MAKING CLARITY IN THE RECORD. SO THERE IS NO ON SITE PARKING. THERE NEVER HAS BEEN ON SITE PARKING.

SO THE RESOLUTION REALLY IS TO CLARIFY, CODIFY THAT THE REDUCTION IN NONCONFORMITY. I UNDERSTAND THAT. MY QUESTION IS, WAS THE WHEN WHEN YOU WERE HERE LAST MONTH, THE PARKING WAS RESOLVED. QUESTION MARK. WE WERE WE WERE PRETTY ADAMANT THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE TWO, TWO SPACES, WHICH WERE GOING TO BE PROVIDED SOMEWHERE ELSE OFF SITE. THAT THAT'S WHY WE'RE IN

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FRONT OF YOU TODAY. SO AND WE WE SAID WE'LL LOOK AT WHETHER ALLOCATING OFF SITE IS APPROPRIATE. WE WEREN'T PRESENTING AN ACTUAL OFF SITE PARKING APPROVAL LIKE THAT WAS IN FRONT OF YOU FOR THE PLAZA HOTEL, I PROMISE. I'M TRYING TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, BUT THIS ISN'T. AND THERE WAS NO FORMAL ALLOCATION. IF MY CLIENT OWNS OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE DISTRICT, WE SAID WE WOULD LOOK AT WHETHER WE COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT. WE CAN'T ACCOMMODATE THAT IN A PERPETUAL TAKE IT OUT OF. NO, I UNDERSTAND I UNDERSTAND MY MY QUESTION IS, WAS, WAS DID YOUR CLIENT LOOK AND IS THAT PARKING FOR THE TWO PROPOSED. SORRY FOR THE PROPOSED RESIDENTIAL SPACE. NOT NOT IN THE SENSE OF PERPETUAL TWO PARKING SPACES COMING OUT OF THE POOL. OKAY, SO WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO PRESENT TO YOU. YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND, OKAY, I UNDERSTAND THIS IS MY QUESTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. YES, SURE. THANK YOU. CAN THE CLERK JUST. WE HAD A PLANNING BOARD MEMBER COME IN. FOR THE RECORD. CAN YOU JUST, I GUESS, IDENTIFY HIS ATTENDANCE? EXCUSE ME. I'M SORRY. YES, I HAVE THAT MEMBER, SCOTT SCHULTZ. ARRIVED AT 8:37 A.M. DURING THE BEGINNING OF THIS ITEM. 6.66.87. A I APOLOGIZE. OKAY? I APOLOGIZE FOR BEING TARDY, BUT I DON'T WANT TO GET DISTRACTED TOO MUCH BY THE STRIPING ISSUE HERE. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WHAT I'M HEARING FROM PLANNING DEPARTMENT IS THE PUBLIC WORKS WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT IT. I THINK WE COULD MAKE A REQUEST OF OF OF THEM TO, TO LOOK AT IT.

BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE AUTHORIZED. WE CAN'T WE CAN'T CHANGE THAT STRIPING ON OUR OWN ACCORD AT THIS POINT. YES, SIR. DID I HEAR YOU CORRECTLY THAT THERE IS THERE ARE NO SPACES ALLOTTED TO IT NOW. CORRECT. THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED WITH NO ON SITE PARKING. IT WAS CONSTRUCTED WITH PARKING. EXCUSE ME. IN THE AREA, WHICH WAS, AS YOU CAN SEE ON YOUR SCREEN HERE AND THEN HERE UNDER THE CODE, ONLY THE FIRST STORE NEEDED TO BE PARKED AT THE TIME THAT THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED. SO FOR ANY USE OF THE SECOND STORY, IT'S NON-CONFORMING. AS TO PARKING, WE'RE STIPULATING THAT BY CONVERTING FROM COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL, THERE'S A REDUCTION IN NONCONFORMITY BY NINE SPACES. THE REDUCTION IS THE TRIGGER FOR CHANGE IN NONCONFORMITY, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU TODAY WITH A PETITION OF NONCONFORMITY. THE THE QUESTION I'M TRYING TO GET MY ARMS AROUND IS IF YOU HAD NO SPACES ALLOCATED TO IN THE FIRST PLACE, HOW CAN YOU GIVE ANY BACK? WE'RE REDUCING A NONCONFORMITY. SO THERE ARE 11 SPACES THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED UNDER TODAY'S CODE FOR THE SECOND STORY PARKING. AND THAT 11 SPACE CREDIT IS REDUCED BY NINE SPACES IN IN RELATION TO THE CHANGE TO A RESIDENTIAL UNIT. SO IN OTHER WORDS, FROM AN ACTUAL DEMAND PERSPECTIVE, IF THERE ARE 14 OFFICE SUITES AND THE CODE DETERMINED THAT 11 PARKING SPACES ARE REQUIRED FOR THAT COMMERCIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE, THERE WERE 11 EMPLOYEES, STAFF AT LEAST USING PARKING SPACES ON STREETS THAT THAT 11 SPACE ALLOCATION ON PUBLIC PARKING AREAS IS REDUCED BY NINE SPACES. OKAY, BUT I'M NOT I'M HAVING A HARD TIME GETTING MY ARMS AROUND. IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY, HOW WAS THAT? IN ADDITION, BY GETTING THEM BACK. SO I'M JUST NOT ABLE TO GET MY. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THEY HAD THE RIGHT TO PARK 11 SPACES IN THE GENERAL POOL IN THE THIRD AVENUE AREA. HOW THE RIGHT WILL REDUCE BY NINE SPACES, WHICH FEELS TO ME ANYWAY, LIKE A SUBSTANTIAL PUBLIC BENEFIT. THANK YOU. LET'S HAVE THE STAFF REPORT IF WE COULD, PLEASE. GOOD MORNING. BOARD MEMBERS, JEFF, WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, PETITIONER IS REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR A CHANGE OF NONCONFORMITY RELATED TO PARKING. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF THIRD STREET SOUTH AND 12TH AVENUE SOUTH. THIS IS A TWO STORY COMMERCIAL BUILDING KNOWN AS THE CHOMSKY BUILDING. THERE ARE THREE RETAIL LOCATIONS ON THE FIRST FLOOR. THERE ARE OFFICES AND A SMALL CONFERENCE ROOM ON THE SECOND FLOOR. THIS PROPERTY CAME BEFORE YOU A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO FOR CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL TO CONVERT THE SECOND FLOOR SPACE INTO A SINGLE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT.

RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT, THE C-1 RETAIL SHOPPING DISTRICT, REQUIRE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL. THIS BOARD HEARD THE PETITION IN OCTOBER AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL FIVE TO 2 TO 1 WITH CONDITIONS, ONE OF WHICH WAS RELATED TO PARKING.

THAT PETITION IS NOW KIND OF ON HOLD, BUT IT IS SCHEDULED TO MEET UP WITH THIS PETITION NEXT MONTH WHEN THEY ARE TO BE HEARD AS COMPANION ITEMS AT CITY COUNCIL. THE PETITIONERS

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PRESENTATION PROVIDED YOU SOME IMPORTANT BACKGROUND DETAILS RELATED TO THE PARKING AND THE PROPERTY. THIS INFORMATION IS ALSO DETAILED IN THE STAFF REPORTS THAT ARE IN YOUR PACKETS, BUT A QUICK SUMMARY IS ESSENTIALLY AS FOLLOWS. TODAY, THERE'S NO PARKING PROVIDED ON THE PROPERTY. IT'S A SMALL URBAN LOT OCCUPIED ALMOST ENTIRELY BY THE BUILDING. THE PROPERTY'S EXISTING COMMERCIAL AND OFFICE USES ARE SERVED BY A COMBINATION OF ON STREET AND OFF SITE PARKING. IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT, COMMERCIAL USES REQUIRE ONE SPACE PER 300FT■!S OF GROSS FLOOR AREA. FR THIS PROPERTY, THAT MEANS ESSENTIALLY 22 SPACES, 11 SPACES ON EACH FLOOR. THOSE ARE TODAY'S REQUIREMENTS. THAT IS NOT WHAT WAS REQUIRED WHEN THE BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1963. THIS ZONING DISTRICT REQUIRED ONE SPACE PER 400FT■!SF GROUND FLOOR SPACE. THE THEN CODE DID NOT REQUIRE PARKING UPSTAIRS. USES. THE THEN CODE ALSO PROVIDED A REDUCTION OF SIX SPACES FOR CORNER LOTS, WHICH THIS PROPERTY IS. SO THE ORIGINAL REQUIREMENTS ESSENTIALLY FOR THE GROUND FLOOR SPACE WERE EIGHT SPACES.

THAT WAS IMMEDIATELY REDUCED, AND IT WAS TWO. FOR MANY YEARS THEY COMPLIED. THERE WAS AMPLE PARKING ADJACENT TO THE BUILDING. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S AN AERIAL AT THE END OF THE STAFF REPORT THAT SHOWS FROM 1973 THERE WAS PARKING IN THE SOUTH WHERE THIS IS STRIPED NOW AND THEN ALSO IN THE FRONT. HOWEVER, SOME OF THAT FAST FORWARD A FEW DECADES, THE AREA HAS BEEN REDEVELOPED. NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES IN OPEN SPACE ARE ARE NOW NEW BUILDINGS.

THE PARKING IS GONE. THE UNDERLYING ZONING HAS ALSO CHANGED, WITH THE CITY ADOPTING MORE STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS. SO TODAY, WHAT WE HAVE ESSENTIALLY APPEARS TO BE A LAWFUL NONCONFORMITY CONCERNING THE PARKING. THESE USES CAN CONTINUE THE WAY THEY ARE INDEFINITELY, WITHOUT THE NEED FOR PARKING. SO THE OFFICES CAN TURN OVER TO NEW OFFICES, THE RETAIL CAN TURN OVER TO NEW RETAIL. THOSE USES ARE ESSENTIALLY GRANDFATHERED IN.

BUT THAT'S AS YOU'VE HEARD, THAT'S NOT WHAT THE PROPERTY OWNER WANTS. THEY WANT TO CONVERT THE UPSTAIRS INTO A SINGLE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT. THAT'S A CHANGE IN USE.

SO THEY ARE REQUESTING A CHANGE IN NONCONFORMITY TO PRESERVE AND PERPETUITY THE NON-CONFORMING PARKING RIGHTS TIED TO THE BUILDING. BUT THEY WANT TO DO IT AT A VASTLY REDUCED CAPACITY. AND THEY'RE OFFERING THAT AS A PUBLIC BENEFIT. PETITIONER IS REQUESTING APPROVAL TO REDUCE THE EXISTING NONCONFORMITY FOR THE UPSTAIRS FROM 11 SPACES TO TWO. THEY WILL COMPLY WITH THE REDUCTION IN ALLOWABLE NON-CONFORMING PARKING BY CONVERTING THE UPSTAIRS SPACES, NOW OFFICES, INTO A SINGLE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT. BY CODE, A SINGLE DWELLING UNIT GENERALLY REQUIRES TWO SPACES. THE REMAINING NINE SPACES CURRENTLY ON PARKED WILL BE RETURNED TO THE CITY'S ON STREET SUPPLY, PER THE CHANGE NONCONFORMITY, THE PETITIONER WILL NOT BE REQUIRED TO PARK THE TWO SPACES ON SITE PURSUANT TO SECTION 4635 OF THE LDC. NO NONCONFORMITY SHALL BE EXPANDED, ENLARGED OR CHANGED TO A DIFFERENT NONCONFORMITY, EXCEPT UPON RECOMMENDATION OF THE PAB AND APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL.

PRIOR TO GRANTING A CHANGE IN NONCONFORMITY, THE PAB AND CITY COUNCIL SHALL ENSURE THE PROPOSAL SATISFIES THE APPLICABLE REVIEW REVIEW CRITERIA THAT CRITERIA IS LAID OUT IN THE STAFF REPORT AND ANSWERED BY BOTH STAFF AND THE APPLICANT ALSO IN THE REPORT, AND I THINK IT'S TO NOTE, ARE SOME OBJECTIVES OUTLINED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CONCERNING CHANGES IN NONCONFORMITIES. WE SHOULD REMEMBER, A KEY OBJECTIVE OF ZONING IS TO REDUCE OR ELIMINATE NONCONFORMITIES WHEN A NEW USE IS PROPOSED. OUR COMP PLAN PROVIDES SOME GUIDANCE WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR COUNCIL TO CONSIDER CHANGING A NONCONFORMITY TO A LESS OBJECTIONABLE, LESS NON-CONFORMING SITUATION. AND FURTHERMORE, THE COMP PLAN ALSO STATES THAT DEVELOPMENT ORDERS SHOULD NOT BE DENIED JUST BECAUSE A REDUCTION IN NONCONFORMITY IS NOT ENTIRELY CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT REGULATIONS. FINALLY, THE PROPOSAL IS OUTLINED SOME PLAUSIBLE BENEFITS OF THE DE-INTENSIFICATION OF THIS SPECIFIC NONCONFORMITY, AND THE STAFF REPORT IS RECOGNIZED AND LISTED. THOSE LAST MONTH. LETTERS WERE MAILED TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 1000FT OF THE PROPERTY. TO DATE, STAFF HAS RECEIVED A FEW LETTERS FROM THE PUBLIC REGARDING THIS REQUEST. THESE ARE LETTERS OF SUPPORT. THEY'RE ATTACHED TO THE ITEM IN YOUR PACKETS. SO IN CONCLUSION, PURSUANT PURSUANT TO SECTION 46, 35 OF THE LDC STAFF HAVE APPLIED THE CRITERIA

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FOR EXPANDING AND ENLARGING OR CHANGING A NONCONFORMITY AND FIND THAT THE STANDARDS HAVE BEEN MET. SHOULD PAB WISH TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL STAFF. RECOMMEND INCLUSION OF TWO CONDITIONS, THE FIRST BEING APPROVAL OF THE CHANGE OF NONCONFORMITY PETITION IS CONTINGENT UPON APPROVAL OF THE ACCOMPANYING CONDITIONAL USE PETITION TO ALLOW FOR A SINGLE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT IN THE C-1 RETAIL SHOPPING DISTRICT. NUMBER TWO, ANY ZONING RELIEF GRANTED AND APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL SHALL APPLY ONLY FOR THE RELAXATION OF REQUIRED PARKING FOR A SINGLE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNIT, AS TESTIFIED AND PRESENTED IN THIS NONCONFORMITY PETITION. SO THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS. STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION. JEFF. THANKS VERY MUCH. SIMILAR TO WHAT I WAS ASKING COUNCILOR EARLIER, SINCE OCTOBER, HAS THE PETITIONER COME BACK WITH THE TWO PARKING SPACES THAT THIS COMMITTEE, THIS BOARD REQUESTED THEY COME UP WITH FOR THE RESIDENTIAL UNIT PHYSICAL SPACES? NO, SIR. THIS IS ANOTHER AVENUE WHERE THEY'RE TRYING TO MEMORIALIZE THESE NON NON CONFORMING PARKING SPACES AT A REDUCED RATE AS I UNDERSTAND. BUT THERE'S BEEN NO PROGRESS ON IDENTIFYING TWO SPACES TO GO WITH THE CHANGE OF USE PROPERTY. NO SIR. OKAY GREAT. THANKS SO MUCH JEFF. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF PUBLIC COMMENT. NO SLIPS, NO PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. WELL IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION BY MEMBERS OF THE BOARD CHAIR? CAN I MAKE ONE COMMENT, IF YOU DON'T MIND, OVER HERE. GO AHEAD. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY REAL QUICK HOW WE ENDED UP HERE AND WHY THIS WASN'T A COMPANION ITEM. BECAUSE I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE BOARD, BECAUSE OUR OFFICE AND I KNOW ANDREW WAS ME SPECIFICALLY, AND MISS PASSIDOMO DISCUSSED THIS AS IT WAS GETTING READY FOR CITY COUNCIL. AND IT WAS MY DETERMINATION BASED ON MY INTERPRETATION OF THE NONCONFORMITY SECTION IN OUR CODE, THAT THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN A COMPANION ITEM WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU THE FIRST TIME. AND I THINK AT THAT POINT, IT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE ADDRESSED A LOT OF THE CONCERNS FOR THE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES. SO I KNOW IT'S A LITTLE UNORTHODOX BECAUSE YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY REVIEWED THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, BUT TO THEIR BENEFIT, THEY WOULD HAVE TRAVELED TOGETHER HAD THAT DETERMINATION BEEN MADE PRIOR TO THE FIRST MEETING BEFORE YOU. SO I THOUGHT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT BECAUSE THEY'RE HERE NOW, BECAUSE OF A DETERMINATION THAT I MADE, AND I BELIEVE THIS WAS THE APPROPRIATE WAY TO MOVE FORWARD, TO MEMORIALIZE THE FACT THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY COMING FURTHER INTO COMPLIANCE, ALTHOUGH NOT QUITE THERE. BUT WE WANTED SOMETHING TO MEMORIALIZE THE FACT THAT THEY ARE REDUCING THE NONCONFORMITY.

SO THANK YOU. GOOD EXPLANATION, I APPRECIATE IT THERE. YES. I JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT, YES, I THINK IT'S GREAT TO REDUCE THESE NONCONFORMITIES WHERE WE CAN, BUT I AM DISAPPOINTED THAT IN TWO MONTHS WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHETHER PARKING WILL BE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL UNITS. AND GIVEN THE CONGESTION OR THE LACK OF PARKING WE HAVE IN THIS FAIR CITY, I WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN THAT BEFORE NOW. OKAY, IS THERE A MOTION TO. YES. CAN WE ADD SOMETHING SO THAT SOMEBODY IN THE WAS IT THE STREETS AREA OR LOOK AT THESE THE LOADING AREA AND STUFF.

BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT FIXES A LOT MORE THAN THE PROBLEMS THAT THEY HAVE. YEAH.

IT'S NOT THEIR PROBLEM TO DO THAT. BUT WHY DON'T WE JUST DO THAT FOR THE CITY. THE BENEFIT OF THE CITY. YEAH. AND I KNOW WE MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS QUESTION, BUT HOW MANY SPOTS COULD GO IN THERE? SIX. SIX. YEAH. THE PETITIONER HAS TESTIFIED SIX. AGAIN, I'D HAVE TO RUN THAT BY OUR OUR STREETS DEPARTMENT AND MAKE SURE. WELL, I'M GOING TO TAKE THE LIBERTY TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION WITH THE CONDITIONS PROVIDED AND ADD A COMMENT THAT ASKING THE CITY TO CONSIDER REZONING. I MEAN, RESTRIPING THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION, SINCE THERE'S NO. USE DEMANDING A LOADING AREA AT THAT POINT IN TIME AT THAT LOCATION. IS THERE A SECOND? I SECOND CALL THE ROLL, MAYOR, MAYOR. ABSENT. SORRY, I'LL GET THERE. MEMBER. BARONE. YES. MEMBER. FOWLER. YES. MEMBER. SCHULTZ. NO. MEMBER. CHRIS. NO.

VICE CHAIR. KEPPLER. YES. CHAIR. COUGHLIN. YES. PASSES. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE YOUR TENACITY, AND I'M SORRY I HAVE TO GO BACK. ULTIMATE MEMBER COOPER. NO,

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THANK YOU. STILL PASSES FOUR THREE. OKAY. THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. IT'S NOT THAT WE DIDN'T LOVE YOU, I FEEL. EXCUSE ME. DID COUNCIL MEMBER REMEMBER? BARONE, DIDN'T YOU RECUSE YOURSELF LAST TIME? YES, I DID, YOU RECUSED THEM, BUT YOU CAN VOTE ON IT NOW. THE RECUSAL WAS OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION. WHEN I SPOKE TO THE ATTORNEY AFTERWARDS, HE SAID THAT I.

THAT WASN'T NECESSARY TO RECUSE MYSELF LAST TIME. AND SO THIS THIS IS A THIS IS A RELATED ISSUE JUST TO PARKING. SO IS IS THAT YOUR RECOLLECTION AS WELL? I TRUST THE CONVERSATION THAT HE HAD WITH MR. DICKMAN. AND I TRUST THE ADVICE THAT MR. DICKMAN PROVIDED. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

[7.B) A Resolution Determining Nonconformity Petition 25-N6 Pursuant to Section 46-35 of the Code of Ordinances, City of Naples, to Allow for the Vertical and Horizontal Expansion of a Nonconforming Single-Family House on Property Located in the R1-10 Residence District at 2171 South Winds Drive; Owned by Yerger Family Trust; More Fully Described Herein; Providing for Scrivener's Errors; Providing Findings and Conditions; and Providing an Effective Date.]

APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE. THE NEXT ITEM IS SEVEN B. A RESOLUTION DETERMINING NONCONFORMITY PETITION 20 5-N6 PURSUANT TO SECTION 4635 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, CITY OF NAPLES, TO ALLOW THE VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL EXPANSION OF A NON-CONFORMING SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE ON PROPERTY LOCATED IN THE R-1 PEN RESIDENCE DISTRICT AT 2171 SOUTH WINDSOR DRIVE.

OWNED BY YEAGER FAMILY TRUST. MORE FULLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR SCRIVENER'S ERRORS, PROVIDING FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS, PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK TO ALL THOSE INTENDING TO TESTIFY. IF YOU COULD PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR HAND. KEEP OUT OF TROUBLE. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO THANK YOU. OKAY. AND THEN WE NEED TO ASK IF THERE'S ANY CONFLICTS. NONE HERE, NOTHING TO DISCLOSE, NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. AWARE OF THE PROPERTY? NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. LIKEWISE, I VIEW THE PROPERTY. NOTHING FURTHER TO DISCLOSE. THANK YOU. YOU MAY PROCEED. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS MAUREEN MINKER AND I AM THE RESIDENTIAL STUDIO DIRECTOR AT MHCC HERE IN NAPLES. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING THE TIME TO HEAR OUR NONCONFORMITY PETITION FOR OUR PROJECT. AT 2171 SOUTH WINDS DRIVE. WE ARE REQUESTING THE APPROVAL OF BOTH A HORIZONTAL AND VERTICAL EXPANSION OF A NONCONFORMITY. THE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE AT 2171 SOUTH WINDS DRIVE, LOCATED IN THE R1 TEN ZONING DISTRICT IN AQUA LANE SHORES NEIGHBORHOOD. THE SURVEY SHOWS THE PROPERTY IS A DOUBLE FRONTED LOT WITH STREET FRONTAGE ON BOTH SOUTH WINDS DRIVE AND FOREST LANE. THE EXISTING STRUCTURE, CONSTRUCTED AT GRADE AT APPROXIMATELY 5.35FT, NAVY HAS BEEN SUBJECT TO SIGNIFICANT WATER INTRUSION FROM RECENT STORMS. OUR CURRENT BASE FLOOD ELEVATION IN THAT FOR THAT PROPERTY IS EIGHT FEET AND AVD AND THE DESIGN FLOOD ELEVATION IS NINE FEET NABBED. THE EXISTING HOME IS SET BACK 25.71 AND 25.68FT FROM THE FOREST LANE RIGHT OF WAY. IT'S SET BACK 25.19FT FROM THE SOUTH. WINDS DRIVE RIGHT OF WAY WITH A ROOF OVERHANG OF THREE FEET. IT'S SET BACK 7.5FT FROM THE NORTH PROPERTY LINE, AND SET BACK 49FT FROM THE SOUTH PROPERTY LINE. THE STRUCTURE REMAINS IN ITS ORIGINAL 1963 FOOTPRINT, AND THE LOT AREA IS APPROXIMATELY 11,448FT■!S. THE EXISTING POOL IS COMPLIANT WITH CODE AND WILL NOT BE MODIFIED BY THIS APPLICATION REQUEST. WE'RE HERE TODAY BECAUSE WE HAVE A NONCONFORMITY, AND ACCORDING TO SECTION 4635, A NONCONFORMITY IS A LOT.

STRUCTURE OR USE OF LAND OR COMBINATION THEREOF, WHICH WAS LAWFUL BEFORE GOVERNMENT ACTION, BUT NO LONGER MEETS THE REGULATIONS CONTAINED IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE BECAUSE OF SAID GOVERNMENT ACTION. SECTION 4635 B STATES, EXCEPT AS OTHERWISE PROVIDED BY THIS SECTION, NO NONCONFORMITY SHALL BE EXPANDED, ENLARGED OR CHANGED TO A DIFFERENT

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NONCONFORMITY, EXCEPT UPON RECOMMENDATION OF THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. AFTER A PUBLIC HEARING WITH DUE PUBLIC NOTICE PURSUANT TO SECTION 4645 AND APPROVAL OF CITY COUNCIL. THE PETITIONERS WHO ACQUIRED THE PROPERTY IN THE SUMMER OF 2025 ARE SEEKING APPROVAL FOR RENOVATIONS THAT ADDRESS THE STRUCTURES, FLOOD RISK AND ENHANCE FUNCTIONALITY. THE RENOVATIONS COMPRISE THE FOLLOWING. REBUILDING THE EXISTING GARAGE AT GRADE TO ACCOMMODATE A TWO CAR TANDEM CONFIGURATION. CONSTRUCTING A FIRST FLOOR ADDITION TO RECONFIGURE THE LIVING AREAS AND INCLUDE A COVERED OUTDOOR SPACE. A SECOND FLOOR ADDITION TO PROVIDE TWO ADDITIONAL BEDROOM EN SUITES, AND ELEVATING THE REMAINDER OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE TO 9.35FT AND ADD. THEY RESPECTFULLY REQUEST APPROVAL OF A VERTICAL EXPANSION OF A NONCONFORMITY TO ALLOW THE EXISTING HOUSE TO BE ELEVATED TO THE DESIGN. FLOOD ELEVATION OF 9.35FT AND AVOID AND PERMIT PERMITTING THE SECOND STORY TO ENCROACH INTO THE 30 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK ON SOUTH WINDS DRIVE. THEY ARE ALSO REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A HORIZONTAL EXPANSION OF A NONCONFORMITY TO PROVIDE THE STAIRS AND MEANS OF EGRESS FROM THE ELEVATED STRUCTURE. A REVIEW OF THE CITY OF NAPLES HISTORICAL RECORDS CONFIRMS THAT THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE WAS PERMITTED, CONSTRUCTED AND INSPECTED IN 1963. NO ORIGINAL PLANS OR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FROM THAT PERIOD ARE ON FILE. THE EARLIEST PLANS ASSOCIATED WITH THE 1996 POOL PERMIT INDICATE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE WAS COMPLIANT WITH THE SIDE AND REAR SETBACKS OF THE 1959 ZONING CODE, APPLICABLE AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION, THOUGH CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THE WESTERN FACADE ALONG SOUTH WINDS DRIVE DID NOT MEET THE 30 FOOT FRONT YARD REQUIREMENT. IN 1963, THE ZONING MAP IN EFFECT AT THE TIME, ADOPTED IN 1953, IDENTIFIED THE PROPERTY IN THE SINGLE FAMILY D DISTRICT.

SECTION 28 DASH 27 OF THE 59 ZONING CODE, IN EFFECT AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION, DESCRIBED THE YARD REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DEED DISTRICT AS FOLLOWS. FRONT YARD 30FT. SIDE YARD 7.5FT.

REAR YARD 40FT OR THE SMALLER OF 20% OF THE LOT DEPTH, BUT IN NO CASE LESS THAN 25FT. A REVIEW OF SECTION 28 DASH 27 TO BE CLARIFIES THE DISCREPANCY REGARDING THAT WESTERN FACADE ON SOUTH WINDS DRIVE. THE PROVISION STATES THAT FOR LOTS AT THE INTERSECTION OF TWO OR MORE STREETS LIKE THIS PROPERTY, THERE SHALL BE A SETBACK ON EACH STREET EQUAL TO THE MINIMUM FRONT YARD SETBACK, EXCEPT THAT THE BUILDABLE WIDTH OF SUCH LOT SHALL NOT BE REDUCED TO LESS THAN 40FT. APPLYING THIS PROVISION TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY RESULTS IN A BUILDABLE WIDTH OF 38.25FT, LESS THAN THE 40 FOOT MINIMUM STIPULATED BY SECTION 2728 TO BE GIVEN THE ISSUED BUILDING PERMIT. THE REASONABLE CONCLUSION IS THAT CITY STAFF AT THE TIME APPLIED THAT EXCEPTION CLAUSE TO ALLOW A REDUCED FRONT YARD SETBACK ALONG SOUTH WINDS DRIVE, THEREBY ENSURING A REASONABLE BUILDING. WITH THIS HISTORICAL ACTION ESTABLISHES THE BASIS FOR THE STRUCTURE STATUS AS A NONCONFORMITY UNDER SECTION 4636 OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. THE EXISTING SITE PLAN IS IS BEFORE YOU. SINCE CONSTRUCTION IN 1963, THE PROPERTY'S UNDERLYING ZONING HAS EVOLVED TO THE R 110 RESIDENCE DISTRICT, WHICH WAS ADOPTED IN 1994. UNDER THESE CODE PROVISIONS, DOUBLE FRONTED PROPERTIES ARE ASSESSED A FRONT YARD SETBACK FOR EACH STREET FRONTAGE, WHICH IS ON THE EAST AND WEST SIDE. THE SOUTH WINDS DRIVE AND FOREST LANE SIDE, WITH ONE FRONTAGE POTENTIALLY REDUCED BY FIVE FEET, WHILE THE REMAINING YARDS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH ARE CONSIDERED SIDE YARDS FOR THIS PROPERTY. THIS TRANSLATES TO A 30 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACK ALONG SOUTH WINDS DRIVE, 25 FOOT FRONT SETBACK ALONG FOREST LANE, AND A 7.5FT SIDE SETBACK PARALLEL TO THE

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NORTH AND SOUTH PROPERTY LINES. THE EXISTING HOUSE MEETS THE R 110 SIDE YARD AND FOREST LANE SETBACKS. HOWEVER, PORTIONS OF THE STRUCTURE CONTINUE TO REMAIN IN THEIR NON-CONFORMING LOCATION ALONG SOUTH WINDS DRIVE, WITH THE NARROWEST POINT OF THE STRUCTURE MEASURED AT 25.9FT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. IN OUR PROPOSED SITE PLAN, THE EXISTING BUILDING FOOTPRINT WILL BE MAINTAINED, WITH ONE SMALL EXCEPTION. AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WE HAVE EXISTING ENCLOSED SPACE AT THE FRONT ENTRY, WHICH WE'RE CONVERTING TO A FRONT PORCH, THEREBY SOMEWHAT REDUCING THE NONCONFORMITY. WE ALSO HAVE AN ADDITION ON THE SOUTH END, WHICH HAS A MASTER BED AND ALSO OUTDOOR LIVING. THE NEW PROPOSED FIRST FLOOR ALSO ALLOWS FOR A NEW GARAGE WITH TANDEM PARKING IN THE SAME SPOT AS THE EXISTING GARAGE, AND NOW ALLOWS FOR AN INTERNAL CONNECTION TO THE EXISTING HOUSE, WHICH THE EXISTING HOUSE DOES NOT HAVE. WE HAVE AN OPEN KITCHEN, DINING AND LIVING SPACE, AND NOW WITH THE SOUTH ADDITION WITH THE MASTER BED, WE ALLOW FOR A PROPER MASTER BEDROOM SUITE IN THAT AREA AND AN OUTDOOR LIVING SPACE. TO ACHIEVE THESE RENOVATIONS, THE PETITIONERS SEEK A VERTICAL EXPANSION OF THE NONCONFORMITY, ALLOWING THE HOUSE TO BE ELEVATED WITHIN ITS CURRENT FOOTPRINT AND PERMITTING A SECOND STORY TO ENCROACH INTO THE 30 FOOT FRONT YARD. SETBACK ALONG SOUTH WINDS DRIVE. THE SECOND FLOOR SETBACK, OR THE SECOND FLOOR EXPANSION, WILL BE PLACED DIRECTLY ABOVE THE EXISTING HOME, REPRESENTING NO HORIZONTAL EXPANSION BEYOND THE ESTABLISHED LINE OF NONCONFORMITY FOR THAT SECOND FLOOR. SO THE HORIZONTAL EXPANSION REQUEST IS LIMITED ONLY TO THE STAIRS NECESSARY TO PROVIDE ACCESS TO THE ELEVATED STRUCTURE. ALL OTHER IMPROVEMENTS AND ADDITIONS ARE DESIGNED TO BE FULLY COMPLIANT WITH THE DIMENSIONAL AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE CURRENT CODE. SO THE PEACH IN THAT EXHIBIT IS THE ROOF OVERHANG OF THE EXISTING HOME. THE BLUE INDICATES THE AREAS OF NONCONFORMITY THAT ARE BEING REMOVED, AND THE GREEN INDICATES THE NONCONFORMITY WHICH IS BEING RETAINED IN THE NEW DESIGN. THE SECOND FLOOR PROVIDES TWO BEDROOM ENSUITES AND ALLOWS FOR A DOUBLE HEIGHT SPACE ABOVE THE NEW KITCHEN AND DINING, AND AGAIN THE SECOND FLOOR WILL BE DIRECTLY ABOVE THE EXISTING GROUND FLOOR, SO THERE'S NO HORIZONTAL EXPANSION FOR THAT SECOND FLOOR OF THE NEW DESIGN. IN THIS, THE PEACH REPRESENTS THE EXISTING ROOF OVERHANG ON THE LOWER FLOOR, WHICH WILL MATCH ON THE SECOND FLOOR. SO WE'RE NOT ENCROACHING ANY FURTHER. AND THE GREEN ON THAT ON THE SECOND FLOOR SHOWS THE RETAINED NONCONFORMITY FROM THE FIRST FLOOR. ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF THE NEW DESIGN. OUR ELEVATIONS FRONT ELEVATION ON SOUTH WINDS. WE HAVE OUR EXISTING FRONT ELEVATION AT THE BOTTOM. PROPOSED FRONT ELEVATION ON SOUTH WINDS AT THE TOP. WE HAVE OUR EXISTING EAST ELEVATION ON SOUTH WINDS. AT THE BOTTOM WE HAVE OUR PROPOSED EAST ELEVATION ON FOREST LANE AT THE TOP. SORRY, THAT'S THE EXISTING EAST ELEVATION ON FOREST. AT THE BOTTOM WE HAVE OUR EXISTING NORTH ELEVATION IN THE BOTTOM LEFT AND THE PROPOSED NORTH ELEVATION IN THE UPPER LEFT. WE HAVE OUR EXISTING SOUTH ELEVATION AT THE POOL AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT, AND OUR PROPOSED SOUTH ELEVATION AT THE POOL AT THE UPPER RIGHT. WE HAVE SOME RENDERINGS TO SHOW YOU. THIS IS FROM THE NORTH SIDE, THE NORTH END OF THE SOUTH WINDS DRIVE FRONT ELEVATION, RENDERING THE VIEW FROM THE SOUTH ON SOUTH WINDS DRIVE OF THAT ELEVATION, AND THEN THE VIEW FROM THE SOUTH ON THE FOREST LANE SIDE OF THE PROPOSED HOUSE. WE DO HAVE SEVERAL LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM IMMEDIATE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS. THIS IS THE LETTER FROM THE NEIGHBOR RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. ANOTHER LETTER FROM A NEIGHBOR RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET. LETTER FROM THE NEIGHBOR DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH, AND A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBOR DIRECTLY TO THE

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SOUTH. SO THE PETITIONERS, IN SUMMARY, ARE SEEKING A VERTICAL EXPANSION OF THE NONCONFORMITY, ALLOWING THE HOUSE TO BE ELEVATED WITHIN ITS CURRENT FOOTPRINT AND PERMITTING THE SECOND STORY TO ENCROACH INTO THE 30 FOOT FRONT. SETBACK ON SOUTH WINDS DRIVE. THE SECOND FLOOR EXPANSION WILL BE PLACED DIRECTLY OVER THE EXISTING GROUND FLOOR, REPRESENTING NO HORIZONTAL EXPANSION AT THAT SECOND FLOOR. BEYOND THE ESTABLISHED LINE OF NONCONFORMITY, THE HORIZONTAL EXPANSION IS LIMITED TO THE STAIRS NECESSARY TO ACCESS THE PROPERTY AT THE ELEVATED, THE ELEVATED STRUCTURE. ALL OTHER IMPROVEMENTS AND ADDITIONS ARE FULLY COMPLIANT WITH THE DIMENSIONAL AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE CURRENT CODE.

WE FEEL THIS APPROACH REPRESENTS A RESPONSIBLE AND RESILIENT IMPROVEMENT TO AN AGING STRUCTURE, ALIGNING THE PROPERTY'S DEVELOPMENT WITH CONTEMPORARY STANDARDS WHILE RESPECTING ITS HISTORICAL FOOTPRINT. WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL, AND I'M AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.

NO QUESTIONS. AT THIS POINT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR THE STAFF REPORT. THEY MAY HAVE QUESTIONS AFTER THAT. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING AGAIN, JEFF BRAMMER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

THE PETITIONER IS REQUESTING APPROVAL FOR A VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL EXPANSION OF A NON-CONFORMING SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE. THE PROPERTY IS A ONE STORY RESIDENCE AT 2171 SOUTH WINDS DRIVE. THIS IS IN THE AQUA LANE SHORES NEIGHBORHOOD. PROPERTY IS DOUBLE FRONTED WITH FRONTAGES ON SOUTH WINDS DRIVE TO THE WEST AND FOREST LANE TO THE EAST. THE PURPOSE OF THE REQUEST IS TWOFOLD ONE TO ELEVATE THE HOUSE TO THE CURRENT FEMA BASE FLOOD ELEVATION OF EIGHT FEET AND CARVED WITH A DESIGN FLOOD ELEVATION OF NINE FEET AND CARVED. THE ORIGINAL HOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1963 AT GRADE, WHICH AT THIS LOCATION IS A LITTLE OVER FIVE FEET. THE HOUSE HAS BEEN DAMAGED BY FLOODING EPISODES RECENTLY, AND THE OWNER WISHES TO BETTER PROTECT THE HOUSE IN THE FUTURE. SECOND, THE OWNER WISHES TO ACCOMMODATE AN EXPANSION OF LIVING SPACE THAT INCLUDES A SECOND FLOOR ADDITION WITH NEW BEDROOM SUITES AS WELL AS ADDITIONAL LIVING SPACE, A NEW GARAGE ON THE FIRST FLOOR AND A COVERED OUTDOOR AREA. PETITIONERS PRESENTATION HAS PROVIDED SOME OF THE DETAILS OF THE PROPERTY AND ITS ZONING HISTORY. THIS INCLUDES THE REASONING FOR THE DEFICIENCY CONCERNING THE ORIGINAL FRONT SETBACK ON THE WEST SIDE, WHICH IS THE SOUTH WINDS PROPERTY LINE, WHICH IS ROUGHLY 25FT INSTEAD OF 30FT. THAT BEING THAT BECAUSE OF THE MULTIPLE FRONTAGES AND THE SETBACK REQUIRED AT THE TIME, THAT SOME ALLOWANCES WERE GRANTED TO MAINTAIN A BUILDABLE LOT. AND THIS HISTORY IS ALSO DETAILED IN THE STAFF REPORT. THAT SAID, SINCE THE ORIGINAL CONSTRUCTION, THE UNDERLYING ZONING HAS CHANGED. TODAY, THE DOUBLE FRONTED PROPERTIES IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT REQUIRE 30 FOOT SETBACK. HOWEVER, PROVIDE AN ALLOWANCE FOR A REDUCTION OF ONE FRONTAGE TO 25FT. THE PETITIONER SURVEY CONFIRMS THE EXISTING RESIDENCE MEETS THE TODAY'S SETBACKS FOR A REDUCED FRONT YARD ALONG FOREST LANE ON THE EAST, WHICH IS THE BACKYARD WELL, THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND BOTH SIDE YARDS TO THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH. HOWEVER, AS YOU'VE HEARD, PORTIONS OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE REMAIN NON-CONFORMING ALONG SOUTH WINDS DRIVE, WHICH IS THE WEST BOUNDARY, AND THAT'S THE FACADE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. TODAY, THE NARROWEST DISTANCE BETWEEN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND THE PROPERTY LINE IS A LITTLE OVER 25FT, 25.19FT. THIS IS WITHIN THE REQUIRED 30 FOOT SETBACK.

AND THIS IS WHERE THE NONCONFORMITY PETITION COMES IN. SO THE VERTICAL EXPANSION IS TO RAISE THE HOUSE ROUGHLY FOUR FEET IN PLACE TO THE CURRENT FEMA FLOOD ELEVATION. THE SECOND FLOOR EXPANSION WILL BE PLACED DIRECTLY ABOVE THE EXISTING GROUND FLOOR, REPRESENTING NO HORIZONTAL EXPANSION BEYOND THE ESTABLISHED NONCONFORMITY LINE.

THAT'S THAT'S ALREADY THERE. THE HORIZONTAL EXPANSION IS LIMITED TO THE STAIRS NECESSARY TO ACCESS THE ELEVATED STRUCTURE. THEY HAVE EXPANDED RISERS THAT WILL PROVIDE MEANS OF MEANS OF EGRESS TO A NEWLY CONSTRUCTED FRONT PORCH. THE FRONT PORCH STEPS WILL BE LOCATED ROUGHLY 21 SOMETHING FEET AT ITS NARROWEST DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

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GENERALLY, MEANS OF EGRESS HERE ARE ALLOWED TO ENCROACH UP TO THREE FEET IN THE REQUIRED YARD, REGARDLESS OF HEIGHT. ALL ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS ARE DESIGNED TO BE FULLY COMPLIANT WITH DIMENSIONAL AND DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS OF THE EXISTING CODE, AND THESE INCLUDE REBUILDING THE GARAGE AT GRADE TO ACCOMMODATE TWO CARS, CONSTRUCTING A FIRST FLOOR ADDITION TO RECONFIGURE THE LIVING AREAS, AND ADDING A COVERED OUTDOOR SPACE. DETAILS OF THE REQUEST ARE RELATED TO ONE SECTION OF THE LDC. THIS IS PURSUANT TO THE PROPERTY SETBACKS AND AS I SAID, THE EXISTING PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY LOCATED AT 25.9FT FROM THE WEST PROPERTY LINE, WHERE 30FT IS REQUIRED. LAST MONTH, THE PETITION WAS NOTICED TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 1000FT. TO DATE, STAFF HAS RECEIVED SOME LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM NEIGHBORS. THOSE LETTERS ARE ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA PACKET. STAFF HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY CORRESPONDENCE WITH OBJECTION PURSUANT TO SECTION 4635, THE LDC STAFF HAVE APPLIED THE CRITERIA FOR EXPANDING AND ENLARGING OR CHANGING A NONCONFORMITY, AND FIND THAT THE STANDARDS HAVE BEEN MET. THE HOUSE WILL NOT ADVERSELY IMPACT THE NEIGHBOR OR THE OR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT. ELEVATING THE HOUSE IN ITS CURRENT FOOTPRINT IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVING THE UNIQUE SENSE OF NAPLES, AS SEEN IN THE NAPLES VISION, AND THE IMPORTANCE OF RESILIENCY AND APPROVAL OF THE NONCONFORMITY WILL BE PURSUANT TO THE PLANS AND THE DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED IN THIS PETITION. SHOULD THE PAB WISH TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO COUNCIL, STAFF WOULD RECOMMEND INCLUSION OF TWO CONDITIONS. THE FIRST BEING THE PETITION INVOLVES THE VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND SHALL NOT APPLY TO THE REBUILDING OF NEW STRUCTURES IF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS DEMOLISHED OR THE NONCONFORMITIES ARE REMOVED. NUMBER TWO SHOULD THE EXISTING NON-CONFORMING PORTIONS OF THE STRUCTURES BE DEMOLISHED, EVEN FOR A BRIEF PERIOD, THIS APPROVAL DISSOLVES IN. THE PETITIONER MUST OBTAIN VARIANCE APPROVAL TO BUILD ACCORDING TO THESE PROPOSED PLANS OR THE NEW CONSTRUCTION, OR THE NEW STRUCTURES MUST BE BUILT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING REGULATIONS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES IN EFFECT AT THAT TIME. SO THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS. FOR NOW, STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS, BUT THANK YOU, BOARD MEMBERS. ANY QUESTIONS OF STAFF? YES. ARE THEY ALLOWED TO PUT OUT THE BAY WINDOWS AND STUFF? BECAUSE I NOTICED THAT THAT'S GOING OUT INTO THE SETBACK FOR THE I GUESS THE NORTH SIDE AND STUFF.

IS THAT ALLOWED WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, SIR? YES THEY ARE. OKAY. AND THEN THIS IS THEY'RE ELEVATING THE EXISTING BUILDING BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND. YES, THEY'RE ELEVATING THE EXISTING BUILDING AND THEY'RE BUILDING A, A LARGE ADDITION. MOST OF IT, YOU KNOW, IS, WELL, ALL OF IT IS WITHIN THE, THE SETBACKS THAT THEY'RE REQUIRED TO BE KNOCKING DOWN THE BUILDING AND BUILDING BRAND. NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. NO OKAY. THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO KNOCK DOWN THE BUILDING. SO THAT'S WHY NONCONFORMITY CAN BE REPAIRED AND MAINTAINED. BUT IF IT IS DEMOLISHED, IT'S GONE FOREVER. SO THEY HAVE TO ESSENTIALLY TAKE THAT STRUCTURE, LIFT IT STRAIGHT UP IN PLACE, BUILD AROUND IT. GOT IT. YEAH, I APPLAUD THAT EFFORT. BUT ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE DRAINAGE AROUND YOUR PROPERTY AS WELL TO. YES. YEP. TO APPROVE THAT.

BESIDES WHAT THEY MIGHT DO IN THE STREETS EVENTUALLY. BUT YOUR OWN INITIATIVE. YEAH. WELL WE WILL HAVE A NEW DRAINAGE DESIGN THAT GOES WITH THE NEW DESIGN. THEY'LL BE REQUIRED.

ABSOLUTELY. IT'LL BE REQUIRED FOR PERMITTING. YEAH. THE EXTENT OF THIS PROJECT WILL REQUIRE A STORMWATER PLAN IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE STORMWATER ORDINANCE. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? I HAVE A COMMENT. SO RAISING THE PROPERTY. NO PROBLEM WITH THAT AT ALL. STEPS COMING OUT INTO THE SETBACK. NOT A PROBLEM. WHERE I DO HAVE A CONCERN IS THAT THE. PROPOSITION HERE IS TO BUILD A SECOND STOREY ON TOP OF WHAT ALREADY IS NON-CONFORMING, THEREFORE ADDING TO THE NONCONFORMITY, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THE PLANS REDRAWN TO KEEP THE SECOND STOREY BACK WITHIN WHERE THE THE SETBACK SHOULD BE.

THAT'S THE BALCONY AND THE EDGE OF THE UPSTAIRS BEDROOM. SIMILAR OBSERVATION IF WE'RE GOING TO GET VARIANCES FOR THE PROPERTY. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY BEING

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INCREASED. I THINK IN THE STORMWATER EIGHT ITEM EIGHT. AND THEN SECONDLY, WHAT ATTEMPTS ARE BEING MADE TO REMEDY THE NON-CONFORMITIES NOW? WE HAVE MITIGATED THE EXISTING NONCONFORMITY TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. THIS SLIDE THAT SHOWS THE THE BLUE AREA THAT HAS BEEN REMOVED, NO MORE BAYS IN THE NEW DESIGN OVERSTEPPING, AS WELL AS CONVERTING SOME OF THAT EXISTING INTERIOR SPACE ON THAT GROUND FLOOR TO OUT EXTERIOR FRONT PORCH AREA. THAT'S THE BLUE IN THAT ONE SLIDE. THE GREEN IS THE EXISTING NONCONFORMITY THAT IS STILL BEING MAINTAINED IN IN THE NEW DESIGN. DID YOU CONSIDER THE GREEN AREA TO MAKE IT MORE IN A CONFORMING MANNER? WE YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'D HAVE TO WE'D HAVE TO. THAT'S GOING TO BE A STRETCH.

JUST BECAUSE THAT TAKES OUT QUITE A BIT OF AREA FOR LIVING SPACE THERE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN CONSIDER. IT DEFINITELY PINCHES UPSTAIRS TO FOR THE OOPS, SORRY, DOING THIS THE WRONG WAY FOR THE BEDROOMS UPSTAIRS. SO IT'S IT'S TIGHT ALREADY. THAT WHOLE LOT IS SUPER TIGHT. WHICH IS WHY THEY HAD TO ALLOW FOR THAT EXCEPTION ORIGINALLY BACK IN 1963, BECAUSE OF THE SQUEEZED DEPTH OF THAT LOT. WE WE CAN ALWAYS TAKE A LOOK AT THINGS. HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE WAS IN THAT AREA? HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE BACK. ONE MORE SLIDE FOR WHAT THE THE GREEN AREA. IF YOU COULD GO BACK ONE SLIDE, THAT'S PROBABLY THE OTHER WAY. THE OTHER BACK.

PARDON ME THE OTHER WAY. OH RIGHT. YEAH. OH THIS. YEAH. THAT'S SQUARE FOOTAGE. LOOKS VERY MINIMAL IMPACT. IT IS. ROOM THREE, SECOND FLOOR. YES. OKAY. IS THERE WOULD THERE BE A WAY YOU'RE SAYING THAT I MEAN THAT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE MAYBE MORE THAN 20FT■!S, BUT I'M NO PERSPECTIVE OR YOU KNOW, FRANKLY, WE WERE JUST TRYING TO MAKE THE CONSTRUCTION A LITTLE EASIER AS WELL, BUILDING RIGHT ON TOP OF THE AND MAKING IT LESS EXPENSIVE TO BUILDING RIGHT ON TOP OF THE GROUND FLOOR. SO PUSHING IT BACK WILL JUST ADD A COUPLE OF BEAMS. I GUESS BECAUSE OF THAT, IT JUST MAKES THE CONSTRUCTION A LITTLE TRICKIER. SO THAT'S THE REASON WHY WE JUST BUILT ON TOP OF THE THE GROUND, EXISTING GROUND FLOOR, THE SECOND FLOOR. SO YOU'RE REQUESTING THAT WE GRANT A NONCONFORMITY TO A NON-CONFORMING PROPERTY ANYWAY? YES. CORRECT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. COULD YOU GO BACK TO THE DIAGRAM OF THE FIRST FLOOR, PLEASE? THIS ONE? YES. AND ON THE ON THE GREEN AREA THERE TO THE AS WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DIAGRAM TO THE RIGHT OF THE FRONT PORCH, DOES THAT ENCROACH ANY FURTHER INTO THE SETBACK? NO FURTHER THAN ANY OTHER PART OF THE HOUSE? NO. THAT THAT MAINTAINS THAT SAME EXISTING LINE OF THE EXISTING HOUSE. WE'RE JUST SETTING IT BACK AND OPENING IT UP. IT'S IT'S NOW INTERIOR SPACE. WE CAN SEE IT HERE. THERE IT IS. AND THEN, EXCEPT FOR THE LITTLE, YOU KNOW, ENTRY AREA THERE, THE REST OF IT IS ALL INTERIOR SPACE. AND WE'RE CUTTING INTO THAT NOW. OKAY. AND THEN QUESTION ABOUT THE COMMUNICATIONS WITH NEIGHBORS.

WERE THESE PLANS INCLUDED? WERE THESE PLANS PROVIDED TO THE NEIGHBORS WHEN THEY WERE COMMENTING ON THE I BELIEVE OUR OWNERS TOOK OUR DIAGRAMS TO THE NEIGHBORS. THEY SHOWED THEM THE RENDERINGS AND THE PLANS. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. YES. HOW MUCH WATER DO YOU HAVE IN THE HOUSE? THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT 100%. THE OWNER IS HERE. HE COULD SPEAK TO THAT. AND WE PROBABLY NEED TO BE SWORN IN AS WELL. YES. WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO THANK YOU. MY UNDERSTANDING THERE WAS APPROXIMATELY 30IN OF WATER INSIDE THE DWELLING AND ALSO THE SECOND HURRICANE. I FORGET THE NAME OF IT. THE SECOND ONE APPROXIMATELY HAD SIX INCHES IN THE, BUT THE BAD

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ONE WAS THE IN WAS 30IN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. CAN YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF? OH I'M SORRY. YEAH. MY NAME IS DWIGHT YERGER. I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, ALONG WITH MY WIFE. QUESTION. YES, THIS IS FOR NHK. SO IF I'M LOOKING AT THE THE ONE WITH THE SHADING THAT SHOWS THE EXISTING. YEP. SO YOU'RE ACTUALLY LESSENING THE NONCONFORMITY.

YES. AND THE ONLY PART THAT YOU COULD ARGUE THAT YOU'RE ADDING IS THE LITTLE CORNER ON THE SECOND STORY UPSTAIRS. CORRECT. RIGHT. YES, YES. THE ONE ON THE FIRST FLOOR. YEP. AND THEN YOU'RE JUST ADDING THAT LITTLE BIT ON THERE. THAT'S RIGHT. DO YOU KNOW THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE PLUSES AND THE MINUSES? NOT NOT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD OF THE AREA THAT WE ARE DELETING? GOSH. PROBABLY I WOULD SAY. 35FT■!S, 40FT■!S WITH THE BAYS.E BLUE AREA. I MEAN, JUST BASED ON THE SHADING, IT LOOKS LIKE THE PLUS MINUS WOULD PROBABLY BE OVERALL MINUS. YEAH. BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE THING THAT SAYS LAUNDRY, THAT'S THE AREA THAT IS ABOVE TWO. SO I GUESS I COMPARE THAT LITTLE GREEN AREA VERSUS THE OTHER BLUE AREAS. YEAH. IF YOU LOOK IF YOU LOOK AT THE BLUE AND THE GREEN TOGETHER, IT'S PROBABLY ROUGHLY ABOUT HALF. QUICK QUESTION FOR THE OWNER. HOW LONG HAVE YOU OWNED THE PROPERTY. OH, WE BOUGHT IT IN JULY OF THIS YEAR.

OKAY. THANK YOU. AND IT IS OR WE HOMESTEADED THE PROPERTY. WE PLAN ON STAYING THERE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. ON PAGE EIGHT, THE STORMWATER DEPARTMENT REPORT. WHY ARE WE GETTING INTO THE PROPERTY'S VALUE? I'M TRYING TO GET WHY IS WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOU ON PAGE EIGHT. YES. UNDER STORMWATER DEPARTMENT. YES. IT'S TALKING ABOUT PERCENT OF ITS CURRENT MARKET VALUE. WHY ARE WE ADDRESSING THE CURRENT MARKET VALUE? THAT'S A FEMA, FEMA REQUIREMENT. YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.

APPROVE CONDITIONS. YES. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. CALL THE ROLL PLEASE. MEMBER BROWN.

YES. MEMBER. MAYOR'S ABSENT. VICE CHAIR. KAPLAN. YES. MEMBER. FOWLER. YES. ALTERNATE MEMBER.

COOPER. YES. MEMBER. SCHULTZ. YES. IT'S A CHARMING PROPERTY. MEMBER. NO. CHAIR. COUGHLIN.

YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE APPRECIATE YOUR PRESENTATION. AND I WANT TO THANK STAFF FOR THE CLARITY OF THEIR PRESENTATION AS WELL. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO. THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM IS SEVEN C. A RESOLUTION DETERMINING PETITION

[7.C) A Resolution Determining Petition 25-V7, Relating to a Variance Pursuant to Section 56-41 of the Code Of Ordinances, City Of Naples, to Allow for a Home Generator and Equipment Platform to Encroach Approximately Four Feet into the Secondary Front Yard Along 9th Avenue South, Where a 25-Foot Minimum Front Yard is Permitted on Lots Which Front Two or More Streets, Pursuant to Section 58-176 of the Code Of Ordinances, City Of Naples, for the Property Owned by Gregory J. Lampert, Trustee, and Located at 875 Gulf Shore Boulevard South, More Fully Described Herein; and Providing an Effective Date.     ]

20 5-V7 RELATING TO VARIANCE PURSUANT TO SECTION 5641 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, CITY OF NAPLES TO ALLOW FOR A HOME GENERATOR AND EQUIPMENT PLATFORM TO ENCROACH APPROXIMATELY FOUR FEET INTO THE SECONDARY FRONT YARD ALONG NINTH AVENUE SOUTH, WHERE A 25 FOOT MINIMUM FRONT YARD IS PERMITTED ON LOTS WHICH FRONT TWO OR MORE STREETS, OR TO INTERSECTION 50 8-1 76 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. CITY OF NAPLES FOR THE PROPERTY OWNED BY GREGORY J. LAMPERT, TRUSTEE AND LOCATED AT 875 GULF SHORE BOULEVARD SOUTH. MORE FULLY DESCRIBED HEREIN AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. ARE THERE ANY PARDON? I HAVE TO SWEAR, I SWEAR. EVERYBODY IN. YES. THANK YOU. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO THANK YOU. THREE.

THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. THANKS. BEFORE WE BEGIN, WE HAVE UNFOLD

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THE BOARD FOR COMPLEX. GARY. ANY CONFLICT? NO CONFLICTS, NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. WHERE THE PROPERTY? NOTHING TO DISCLOSE. I VISITED THE PROPERTY, AND AT THAT TIME, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET THE OWNER INADVERTENTLY AND JUST HAVE HIM SHOW ME WHERE IT WAS. SO NOTHING TO DISCLOSE EXCEPT THAT I VIEW THE PROPERTY, NOTHING FURTHER TO DISCLOSE. THANK YOU. GREAT. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS MORNING. I FIRST HAVE TO REALLY THANK TASHIMA. REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME OF THIS, YOU KNOW, HER RESPONSIVENESS IS AN INDIVIDUAL, NOT NHK OR AN ATTORNEY OR WHATEVER. HER RESPONSIVENESS AND HELPING ME THROUGH THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN IMMEASURABLE.

SO THANK YOU. SO I AM GREG LAMBERT. I'M THE OWNER OF 875 GULF SHORE BOULEVARD SOUTH. I'M GOING TO FLY THROUGH THIS PRESENTATION BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS THE LAST ONE FOR YOU.

IT'S GOT TWO FRONT YARDS WHICH HAVE SETBACKS OF 30FT AND 25FT A SIDE YARD, WHICH WE'LL TALK A LOT ABOUT. THERE'S A SEVEN FOOT SETBACK AND THEN A REAR YARD WHICH HAS A 25 FOOT SETBACK. WE BOUGHT IT. THE PROPERTY WAS BUILT IN 2000 WITH A EXISTING CONCRETE PAD ON THE SOUTH SIDE.

IT'S FOUR FEET BY 17FT. CURRENTLY HOUSES TWO AIR CONDITIONERS. WE BOUGHT IT IN 19 AND I BECAME A RESIDENT IN 2023. I DON'T NEED TO TELL YOU ABOUT STORM AND POWER ISSUES.

YOU KNOW ALL ABOUT THEM. OUR UNIQUE SITUATION IS FOR IAN. WE'VE GOT 3.5FT OF WATER IN THE GARAGE. MISSED THE HOUSE BY ABOUT A FOOT. SO LOTS OF DAMAGE, LOTS OF FINANCIAL IMPACT.

MILTON AND HELENE CAME ABOUT HALFWAY UP THE YARD, SO WE'RE PRETTY SENSITIVE TO WHAT'S BEEN A CHANGING ENVIRONMENT IN NAPLES. ON ON CLIMATE. WE HAVE A LOT OF GUESTS IN TOWN, YOU KNOW, ANYWHERE AGES 4 TO 93. WE DON'T REQUIRE CRITICAL MEDICAL EQUIPMENT. THAT COULD CHANGE.

OBVIOUSLY, SOME OF OUR GUESTS DO. I THINK YOU KNOW, THE GENERATOR REQUIREMENTS. BUT THREE FEET FROM POOL EQUIPMENT. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THIS AS YOU SEE THE VIDEO. THREE FEET FROM THE ELECTRICAL METER, FIVE FEET FROM OPERABLE WINDOWS, WHICH WE HAVE MANY OF THOSE IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE AND FIVE FEET FROM A SOFFIT, OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A HEIGHT NEEDS TO BE THE HEIGHT OF THE FIRST FLOOR AND OTHER REQUIREMENTS. SO OUR HOME GENERATOR REQUIREMENTS. SO OBVIOUSLY IF WE PUT A HOME GENERATOR IN WE'RE DOING IT FOR SAFETY OF PEOPLE AND PRESUMABLY FOR, YOU KNOW, MAINTAINING THE STRUCTURE. BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO SOMETHING FOR SAFETY THAT LEADS TO A MORE UNSAFE CONDITION. SO OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE PUT IT IN A PLACE THAT'S SAFE. SECOND, OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO KEEP NAPLES BEAUTIFUL. WE'RE A RECENT RESIDENTS HERE AND WE LOVE IT DOWN HERE. AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO ANYTHING TO TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE NAPLES AN UNATTRACTIVE PLACE. THIRD PRIORITY IS IS NEIGHBORS. YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S UNOBTRUSIVE TO NEIGHBORS. WE'LL TALK A LOT ABOUT THAT WHEN WE GO TO THE BACK OF THE YARD IN THE SEVEN FOOT SETBACK. BUT WE FEEL THIS SOLUTION WITH THE VARIANCE WOULD WOULD BE THE MOST DESIRABLE FOR NEIGHBORS. I'M NOT GOING TO GO THROUGH THIS SLIDE BECAUSE WE HAVE A VIDEO, AND IF A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS, A VIDEO IS WORTH 10,000 WORDS. SO I'M GOING TO SKIP THIS. BUT THESE ARE JUST SOME OF THE POTENTIAL LOCATIONS DISCUSSED. AND YOU'LL SEE IN THE VIDEO YOU KNOW WHY EACH OF THEM IS NOT PRACTICAL OR WITHIN NAPLES CITY CODE OR WITHIN GENERATOR CODES. SO WE THINK THE MOST LOGICAL GENERATOR LOCATION IS ON THIS SOUTH PAD. AGAIN, IT'S AN EXISTING PAD. IT'S ALWAYS BEEN HIDDEN BY A THICK CALUSA BECAUSE IT'S ALWAYS HAD AIR CONDITIONING UNITS. RIGHT NOW WE WOULD FILL IN THAT CALUSA REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME OF THIS, BECAUSE WE NEED TO HIDE THAT PAD. THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACE. THERE'S 11.5FT LEFT ON THAT PAD. SO BY PUTTING THE GENERATOR ON THE END OF THAT PAD, IT AVOIDS ALL REGULATIONS. ALL ALL FOR GENERATOR APPLICATION. AND AND AGAIN WE WOULD PUT THE THICK HIGH CALUSA AROUND IT. ALL RIGHT. SO I'M GOING TO SKIP TO THE MOVE TO THE VIDEO. DAVID ARE YOU GOING TO DO THIS? I SEE MY MOUSE MOVING. APOLOGIES. TECHNOLOGY. OKAY. THIS IS THE VIDEO I TOOK. I APOLOGIZE, I DON'T KNOW IF

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I'M GOING TO GET SOUND, BUT THAT'S OKAY. I CAN NARRATE IT. SO THIS IS THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE BEHIND THAT BIG WALL WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING TO TO PUT THE GENERATOR. AS YOU SEE, THE VIDEO WILL WALK UP AND SHOW YOU WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FROM THE SIDE. THE STREET THAT WE'RE LOOKING FROM IS NINTH AVE SOUTH. AND AGAIN, THE SETBACK IS 25FT. THE PAD IS FOUR FEET, PROTRUDES FOUR FEET FROM THE HOUSE. SO APOLOGIES. THE CALUSA IS REMOVED TO INSTALL THE GENERATOR. IT'S GOING BACK UP, OBVIOUSLY. REGARDLESS, YOU CAN SEE THE TWO AIR CONDITIONING UNITS AND YOU CAN SEE ON THE END WHERE WE WOULD PUT THE GENERATOR. APOLOGIZE. THIS SEEM QUICKER. AS WE'RE MOVING. YOU CAN SEE, YOU CAN SEE GULF SHORE ON THE LEFT. I CAN CONTROL DAVID. CAN YOU SKIP AHEAD A LITTLE BIT? I DON'T THINK I CAN CONTROL THIS. NOT THAT FAR. FAR.

THERE, THERE. THAT'S GREAT. OKAY, PERFECT. SO THIS IS THE EAST SIDE OF THE HOUSE. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE EAST SIDE OF THE HOUSE LATER IN THE VIDEO. THAT'S OUR NEIGHBOR. SO SEVEN FOOT SETBACK. YOU CAN'T PUT THE GENERATOR RIGHT WHERE I JUST SHOWED YOU BECAUSE THERE'S OPERABLE WINDOWS ALL OVER THAT WALL. WE'RE MOVING AROUND THE WEST SIDE OF THE HOUSE TO THE SECOND FRONT YARD, 30 FOOT SETBACK, WHICH IS WHERE THE HOUSE IS. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE AS YOU WALK THROUGH THERE, THERE'S NO NO LOGICAL PLACE, NO PLACE THAT WOULD COMPLY WITH NAPLES CITY CODE NOR GENERATOR REQUIREMENTS. IT'S IT'S GOT OPERABLE WINDOWS THROUGHOUT THAT HIGH SHRUB. YOU SEE THERE IS THREE AIR CONDITIONING UNITS BEHIND THAT. BUT THERE'S ALSO AN OPERATING OPERABLE WINDOW BEHIND THAT. SO THERE'S NO PLACE TO PUT A GENERATOR BACK THERE. AND THAT LITTLE KIND OF HIDDEN AWAY AREA. WE'RE MOVING AROUND DAVE. YOU CAN MOVE FORWARD A LITTLE BIT. THANK YOU. ACTUALLY WE'RE IT'S MOVING. SO THIS IS THE THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE HOUSE. WE'RE ABOUT TO GO AROUND THE CORNER. SO HERE'S THE GARAGE. THERE'S AN ALLEY THERE. THE GARAGE IS AT A 25 FOOT SETBACK. SO THERE'S NO PLACE OBVIOUSLY TO PUT IN FRONT OF GARAGE DOORS OR ANYTHING. THE, THE, THE MOST. THE POINT WE'RE REALLY GOING TO DISCUSS HERE IS THE IS THE BACK PART OF THE HOUSE. SO I'M GOING TO MOVE THROUGH THERE. OH SORRY.

I GAVE YOU A VIEW OF WHERE THE NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE IS ACROSS THE ALLEY. OKAY. SO AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE BACK. SO THAT, THAT THAT STAND IN AND ENCLOSES A POOL EQUIPMENT. SO WE CANNOT PUT THE GENERATOR ON TOP OF THAT STANDARD, BE CLOSER THAN THREE FEET TO POOL EQUIPMENT.

IT ALSO WOULD BE CLOSER TO FIVE FOOT TO THAT OPERATING WINDOW, WHICH IS A BEDROOM WINDOW.

RIGHT ABOVE IT YOU CAN SEE OPERATING WINDOWS. TO THE LEFT YOU CAN SEE A STAIRCASE TO THE LEFT, AND WE'LL ROTATE AROUND. APOLOGIES SHOULD HAVE MADE THIS A LITTLE QUICKER. ANYBODY CAN MOVE, I'D MOVE AHEAD. BUT YEAH, YOU CAN MOVE AHEAD A LITTLE BIT. PERFECT. I WANT ONE POSSIBILITY.

IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP IS TO PUT IT RIGHT BY THAT GRILL. FRANKLY, I MOVED THE POOL EQUIPMENT OVER TO THAT SIDE. WE HAD A GAS LEAK IN THE IN THE HEATER FOR THE POOL, AND IT SCARED ME TO DEATH THAT SOME ONE OF OUR GUESTS WOULD GO OUT AND TURN THAT GRILL ON. SO I MOVED THE POOL EQUIPMENT. I'M NOT GOING TO PUT SOMETHING THAT'S GAS GENERATED RIGHT BEHIND THAT GRILL. YOU COULD PUT IT ON THE TECH. YOU COULD PUT IT ON THE EDGE OF THE POOL DECK. I THINK THAT'S UNSAFE FOR CHILDREN AND EVERYTHING ELSE. THAT JUST DOESN'T SEEM SENSIBLE.

YOU COULD PUT IT TO THAT LEFT. THERE'S LIKE A SHELLED AREA. BE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE YARD, POSSIBLY YOU, I THINK BY CODE AND BY NAPLES CITY, WHERE YOU'D LOGICALLY PUT IT IF YOU WEREN'T GOING TO PUT ALLOW, THE VARIANCE WOULD BE ON THIS EAST SIDE OF THE LOT. I WON'T DO THAT. I DON'T THINK IT MAKES SENSE. IT'S A SEVEN FOOT SETBACK TO MY NEIGHBORS AND YOU CAN'T SEE IT. BUT BEHIND THAT, ALL THE SHRUBS AND PALM TREES AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS THERE.

POOL. IT'S THEIR POOL, THEIR HOT TUB, THEIR LANAI, YOU KNOW. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK I'D HAVE A HARD TIME EXPLAINING TO A NEIGHBOR THAT I JUST PUT A GENERATOR FOUR FEET FROM THEIR POOL DECK. SO I WOULD NOT DO THAT. BUT TECHNICALLY YOU COULD PUT IT BECAUSE THE CITY ALLOWS 36IN INTO THE SIDE YARD. SO I COULD I COULD BUILD A STRUCTURE, I COULD TEAR OUT SOME OF THAT CALUSA, MAYBE A PALM TREE, AND I COULD BUILD A STRUCTURE, PUT THE GENERATOR ON IT. I'D PROBABLY BUILD A WALL ON MY POOL DECK, BECAUSE I WOULDN'T WANT ANYONE TO BE ABLE TO TOUCH IT OR GRAB IT OR WHATEVER. AND SO THIS IS THE REST OF THE EAST SIDE OF THE OF THE PROPERTY.

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DAVID, YOU CAN PROBABLY STOP IT. I THINK PROBABLY SEEING EVERYTHING. SORRY. NOT MY PROFESSION. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SO WE REQUEST THE VARIANCE. WE THINK IT'S THE MOST SAFE PLACE TO PUT A GENERATOR. WE THINK IT COMPLIES WITH, YOU KNOW, NAPLES. KEEP NAPLES BEAUTIFUL AND KEEP OUR NEIGHBORHOODS LOOKING GREAT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE HIDDEN BEHIND CALUSA. IN FACT, IF IT WERE BACK THERE, NO ONE WOULD KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BECAUSE THAT CALUSA SURROUNDS THE THE ENTIRE CONCRETE SLAB ANYWAY AND WILL GOING FORWARD. WE ALSO THINK IT'S THE LEAST INTRUSIVE TO THE NEIGHBOR. OUR NEIGHBOR TO THE EAST JUST BOUGHT RECENTLY, SO I HAVEN'T MET THEM.

BUT I GUARANTEE YOU, IF YOU ASK THEM WHETHER WE WHETHER THEY'D RATHER HAVE US PUT IT ON THE CONCRETE BED, WHICH WOULD BE 22FT FROM THEIR PROPERTY LINE, VERSUS PUT IT IN THAT SIDE YARD, WHICH WILL BE ABOUT FOUR FEET FROM THEIR POOL DECK AND HOT TUB AND LANAI AREA. I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THEY WOULD LIKE US TO PUT IT ON THAT SLAB. SO THAT'S MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. AND I'M OBVIOUSLY AVAILABLE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NONE. OKAY. STAFF REPORT. GOOD MORNING. BOARD CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS, TASHIMA LEWIS WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT BEFORE USE VARIANCE PETITION 25 SEVEN TO ALLOW A HOME GENERATOR AND EQUIPMENT PLATFORM TO ENCROACH APPROXIMATELY FOUR FEET INTO THE SECONDARY FRONT YARD ALONG NINTH AVENUE SOUTH, WHERE A 25 FOOT MINIMUM FRONT YARD IS PERMITTED ON LOTS WITH FRONT TWO OR MORE STREETS PURSUANT TO SECTION 56, 41 AND 50 8-1 76 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES ON THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 875 GULF SHORE BOULEVARD SOUTH AND OWNED BY GREGORY J. LAMPERT. AS WAS DISCUSSED FROM THE PRESENTATION. GREAT JOB GREG. I JUST WANTED TO JUST KIND OF REITERATE SOME OF THE POINTS THAT HE MADE. SO HE DID PURCHASE THE PROPERTY IN 2019, BUT THE PROPERTY WAS BUILT IN 2000 WITH PERMITS AT THE TIME, IT ALLOWED FOR THE EQUIPMENT PLATFORM TO ENCROACH INTO THE SECONDARY FRONT YARD ALONG NINTH AVENUE SOUTH. ON PAGE TWO OF THE STAFF REPORT, YOU WILL SEE THAT I PROVIDED YOU A DIAGRAM THAT SHOWS THE FRONT YARDS. THERE'S TWO FRONT YARDS, SIDE YARD AND REAR YARD BASED ON HOW IT WAS PLATTED.

AND YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY SELECTED TO HAVE THE FRONT YARD ALONG NINTH AVENUE SOUTH REDUCE TO 25FT. UNDER THE STAFF REPORT. YOU WOULD ALSO SEE I MADE A POINT TO HIGHLIGHT CRITERION ONE OF THE ADDITIONAL CRITERIA, WHICH POINTS TO AN ATTACHMENT. ATTACHMENT ONE YOU WILL SEE AS WELL IN THE BACKUP THAT SPEAKS TO THE SITE LOCATION, WHERE IT DOES PROVIDE ADDITIONAL AREAS WHERE THE GENERATOR COULD BE INSTALLED. THE INTENTION OF PLANNING IS TO NOT CONTINUE TO INCREASE NONCONFORMITY, BUT TRY TO BRING EVERYTHING INTO COMPLIANCE. SO ALTHOUGH THERE ARE REASONS TO SAY THAT IT'S SAFER AND SO FORTH, IF THE GENERATOR WILL BE USED FOR PROPANE. PROPANE, ACCORDING TO THE CODE, DOES ALLOW YOU TO ENCROACH OR CAN BE CLOSE TO A PROPERTY LINE WITHIN LESS THAN 15FT. SO THE COMPONENTS OF SAFETY IS VALID. BUT AS LONG AS THIS PROPANE IS ACTUALLY CONSIDERED SAFER THAN DIESEL. SO PURSUANT TO SECTION 4637 C OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, STAFF HAVE APPLIED THE VARIANCE CRITERIA TO THE REQUEST TO ALLOW A HOME GENERATOR AND EQUIPMENT PLATFORM TO ENCROACH APPROXIMATELY FOUR FEET INTO THE SECONDARY FRONT YARD ALONG NINTH AVENUE SOUTH, WHERE 25 FOOT MINIMUM YARD IS PERMITTED ON LOTS WHICH FRONT TWO OR MORE STREETS. STAFF DID RECEIVE CORRESPONDENCE AFTER THE FACT.

NOTIFICATION FOR THIS HEARING WAS PUBLISHED ON. NOVEMBER 19TH, 2025. 318 LETTERS WERE MAILED AND WE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE AT THE TIME, BUT WE DID RECEIVE THREE LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM NEIGHBORS THAT CAME IN, AFTER WHICH I PROVIDED TO YOU IN THE DAIS, AS WELL AS CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE GENERATOR COMPANY THAT OUTLINE THEIR SAFETY CONCERNS AND RECOMMENDATION FOR ITS LOCATION ON THE PLATFORM. IN THIS CORRESPONDENCE, IT ALSO EXPLAINS THAT THERE IS A TECHNICAL OPTION WHERE IT COULD BE PLACED AS WELL, WHICH THE PETITIONER ALSO ALLUDED TO. SO AFTER REVIEWING THE CRITERIA, STAFF FOUND THAT. THRESHOLD

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CRITERIA THREE AND FOUR WERE MET. ADDITIONAL CRITERIA NUMBER FOUR AND FIVE ARE NOT APPLICABLE. HOWEVER, THRESHOLD CRITERIA ONE, TWO, FIVE, SIX AND SEVEN, AND ADDITIONAL CRITERIA ONE, TWO AND THREE HAVE NOT BEEN MET. THE FOLLOWING SUMMARIZES STAFF'S REVIEW. ANALYSIS. THE LITERAL INTERPRETATION OF THE CODE MAY BE ACHIEVED. THERE ARE NO UNIQUE CONDITIONS OR CIRCUMSTANCES SPECIFIC TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THE VARIANCE PETITION IS NOT IN HARMONY WITH THE CHARACTER AND SCALE OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, MEANING THAT WHEN I DID A REVIEW OF THE STREET LINE, THERE ARE NO EXISTING GENERATORS THAT ENCROACH INTO THE FRONT YARD. THE VARIANCE PETITION IS NOT IN IN HARMONY, CHARACTER IN SCALE AND PROPERTIES. ALL REASONABLE STEPS TO MITIGATE THE NEED FOR THE VARIANCE WERE NOT DEMONSTRATED, AND THE PLIGHT OF THE PETITIONER IS SELF-IMPOSED. FOR THOSE REASONS, STAFF FOUND THE VARIANCE TO NOT MEET THE CRITERIA FULLY, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT'S PRETTY CONSISTENT. WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF SIMILAR REQUESTS FOR GENERATORS, AND THAT'S PRETTY CONSISTENTLY STAFF'S FINDINGS. YOUR VARIANCE CRITERIA ARE INCREDIBLY STRINGENT AND HARD TO MEET ON A SITUATION WHERE YOU'RE ELECTING TO PUT IN SOME SORT OF MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT, SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND. I THINK YOU'VE ALSO RECEIVED SOME INFORMATION TODAY THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE IN THE BENEFIT OF THE REVIEW, BUT WE JUST WANTED TO. THIS IS A FAMILIAR ISSUE THAT YOU'VE BEEN SEEING, AND WE HAVE DISCUSSED THIS WITH CITY COUNCIL. IT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE BRINGING BACK FORWARD BEFORE THE COUNCIL IN THE NEW YEAR TO TALK ABOUT GENERATORS. AS WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF REQUESTS FOLLOWING THE STORMS THAT WE'VE HAD. THERE ARE ALSO SOME NEW REQUIREMENTS THAT ALL GENERATORS MUST BE ELEVATED TO FEMA ELEVATION.

THAT'S CREATED SOME FURTHER COMPLICATIONS FOR HOMEOWNERS USED TO BE ABLE TO JUST PUT A GENERATOR ON A PAD ON GRADE, WHICH WAS A LOT EASIER TO COMPLY WITH OUR SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. NOW THEY MUST BE ELEVATED. SO THEY'RE ON A PLATFORM. AND THAT PLATFORM CREATES SOME SOME ISSUES FOR US AS WELL. SO WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO DISCUSS THESE WITH YOU.

BUT TODAY THE ONLY AVENUE THAT A HOMEOWNER HAS IS THE VARIANCE APPLICATION. SO. QUESTION ON THE PETITIONERS PAD THAT THEY HAVE NOW THE ELEVATED PAD. WOULD THAT MEET THE FEMA REQUIREMENTS. THERE IS ELEVATED. YEP. OKAY. AND SO THAT WOULD MEET THE FEMA REQUIREMENT. THAT WOULD BE THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED ELEVATED. YEP. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS OF STAFF EXPLAIN WHAT THEY'D BE. WHAT WOULD THEY BE ALLOWED TO DO IF THEY WERE ON THE BACKYARD. YOU SAID THAT SOMEHOW, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO ENCROACH. AND OH, SO THERE'S DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS FOR WHETHER IT'S A PROPANE GENERATOR OR NOT. PROPANE IS CONSIDERED A SAFER FUEL SOURCE, SO YOU'RE ALLOWED TO BE CLOSER TO YOUR PROPERTY LINE WITH A PROPANE GENERATOR THAN A DIFFERENT TYPE OF GENERATOR. AND SO WHAT'S THE SETBACK ON THE BACKYARD? ON THE 7.5FT SETBACKS? THEY'D BE ABLE TO. SO THE SIDE THE THE SIDE YARD IS SEVEN AND A HALF. RIGHT. SO THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT REGULATIONS. SO THERE'S YOU HAVE TO MEET THE ZONING SETBACK WHICH EXCEEDS 15FT. BUT THEN YOU ALSO HAVE TO MEET THE THE THE PROPANE ONE IS JUST THE THE TYPE OF FUEL THAT IS ALLOWED. AND IT HAS TO BE HOW FAR AWAY FROM WHAT I'M TRYING TO. SO THERE'S A DIAGRAM IN YOUR STAFF REPORT ON PAGE TWO OKAY. HOLD ON. SO FROM THE REAR YARD IT CAN ENCROACH INTO THE 25FT. BUT IT CAN ENCROACH INTO THE SIDE YARD BY 36IN. THE SIDE YARD IS ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE WHERE YOU SEE ON PAGE TWO. SO THAT'S WHERE HE WAS ALSO EXPLAINING IN HIS PRESENTATION WHERE THAT'S AN OPTION AS WELL. SO IN THE SAME MANNER, I'M SORRY, I JUST NOT ALLOWED TO BE ENCROACHED INTO THE 7.5FT. IS THAT WHAT I CAN'T UNDERSTAND? YES YOU ARE. YOU CAN ENCROACH BECAUSE THE HOUSE WAS CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO 2006, WHICH WAS THE DATE OF THE MECHANICAL CODE ORDINANCE. THEY'RE ALLOWED A 36 INCH ENCROACHMENT THAT ONLY APPLIES TO SIDE YARDS. UNFORTUNATELY, IT DOES NOT APPLY TO FRONT OR REAR YARDS. AND THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT THEY'RE RUNNING INTO, IS THAT THIS PROPERTY ONLY HAS ONE SIDE YARD. SO THEY BE ABLE TO GO 3.5FT INTO THE 17, 7.5FT SETBACK. OKAY, OKAY OKAY. NOW IT'S CLOSER TO THAT. I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND HOW ALL OF A SUDDEN THERE'S ALL THIS ABILITY TO BE DRAMATICALLY CLOSER. AND THEN WE'RE HERE TALKING ABOUT THE 20 SOMETHING. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'LL DISCUSS WITH CITY COUNCIL. NOW I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. AND I HAVE A QUESTION OF THE APPLICANT. I'M TRYING TO BE CLEAR. IT SOUNDED FROM WHAT YOU SAID THAT YOU COULD TECHNICALLY MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF LOCATING WITHOUT A VARIANCE. HOWEVER, YOU THINK IT WOULD BE MUCH MORE OFFENSIVE TO YOUR NEIGHBORS. IS THAT A FAIR SUMMARY? ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY. IT IS. ERIC EXPLAINED VERY WELL. THE CITY. I HAVE ONE SIDE YARD WHICH YOU

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SAW WITH ALL THAT COLUSA AND I CAN BY CITY CODE, ENCROACH 36IN AND PUT THE GENERATOR THERE, WHICH WILL PLACE THE GENERATOR APPROXIMATELY FOUR FEET FROM MY NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY, WHERE THEY HAVE ALL THEIR POOL AND, YOU KNOW, HOT TUB AND LANAI, AND IT'S A QUIET GENERATOR. IT IT DOES WHAT GENERATORS DO ONCE A WEEK, 15 MINUTES, 57DB. BUT BUT YOU KNOW, WHY WOULD I LOCATE IT RIGHT NEXT TO THE BACK? IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? ANOTHER QUESTION OF STAFF IN CRITERION SEVEN. ON PAGE TEN, THERE'S THE STATEMENT THAT THE SITE APPEARS TO HAVE MULTIPLE LOCATIONS FOR THE INSTALLATION OF THE NEW HOME GENERATOR. IS YOUR OPINION ON THAT CHANGE BY THE TESTIMONY IN THE VIDEO WE HEARD TODAY, OR DOES THAT STILL STAND? I'M JUST CURIOUS. AFTER RECEIVING THE DOCUMENT FROM THE GENERATOR COMPANY AND TALKING ABOUT THE PROXIMITY, WHEN I REFERENCE THE FLOOR PLAN ON ATTACHMENT ONE SHEET NUMBER A-2.2, I WAS ALLUDING TO THE AREA WHERE THE POOL EQUIPMENT USED TO BE, WHERE THEY RELOCATED IT NEXT TO THE GARAGE, AND SO IF THEY WERE TO PUT UP A BARRIER OR WALL BETWEEN THE GRILL THE SAME WAY IT WAS BEFORE THEN, YES, TECHNICALLY THEY CAN STILL MEET THE CODE. BUT THEN THEY ALSO MENTIONED THAT THERE'S A GRILL THERE WHICH I WASN'T PRIVY TO BEFORE. SO IF THE IF THERE ARE CONCERNS ABOUT FIRE AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE, THEN OF COURSE THAT WOULD TRUMP. SO THEN THAT WOULD CHANGE MY OPINION. YES, SLIGHTLY. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THIS IS A BACKUP GENERATOR.

YOU'LL BE IT'LL ONLY BE USED IF YOU WHERE THERE'S A LOSS OF POWER. PLUS THE ONCE A WEEK SELF. I MEAN JUST JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE THE PLACE WE'RE PROPOSING IS RIGHT OUTSIDE OUR BEDROOM. SO IT'S. YES. YES. SO BASED ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID THEN, IS IT REALLY THE ONLY SPOT THAT'S KIND OF CONFORMING WITHOUT A VARIANCE WOULD BE THE ONE IN THE REAR BY THE NEIGHBOR'S POOL? WELL, IT'S THE SIDE YARD IS WHAT HE'S REFERRING TO. YES. SO THAT THAT AREA CAN BE THERE WITHOUT THE NEED OF A VARIANCE. HE CAN ALSO STILL SCREEN IT FROM HIMSELF, SO HE CAN STILL PUT LANDSCAPING AND THINGS AROUND IT. SO IT'S NOT VISIBLE FROM THE POOL DECK AS WELL. SO THAT'S ANOTHER AREA I WAS ALLUDING TO THAT IS THERE. I WAS ALSO ALLUDING TO THAT AREA THERE OUTSIDE OF THE EXISTING WALKING CLOSET THAT COULD POTENTIALLY. BUT YOU KNOW, BUT THERE ARE MULTIPLE SPOTS IN THE SITE WHERE IT COULD BE PLACED WITHOUT THE NEED OF VARIANCE. BUT IF YOU CHOOSE TO GRANT THE VARIANCE, YOU WOULD NOT. YOU WOULD ALSO BE LEGALIZING THE FLAT, THE PLATFORM THAT WAS PERMITTED TO ENCROACH AS WELL. LET ME LET ME ASK A QUESTION OF ERICA HERE. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING FROM WHAT YOU COMMENTED ON, THAT THIS IS BECOMING MORE OF A CHALLENGE SINCE OUR HURRICANES HAVE BEEN LESS COOPERATIVE AND TRYING TO PUT THEM AT APPROPRIATE HEIGHTS IS CAUSING SOME CHALLENGES, AND THAT THE CITY IS UNDERTAKING PLANNING. STAFF FOR CITY STAFF IS GOING TO LOOK AT THIS ISSUE TO SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO TO DEAL WITH IT THAT IS MORE ACCOMMODATING TO CURRENT CONDITIONS. IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? THAT IS A FAIR STATEMENT. YEAH. SO I GUESS MY HESITANCY, SORRY TO SAY THIS IS SINCE IT CAN BE PUT ON THE PROPERTY WITH NO VARIANCE. I'D LIKE TO. WE CAN POSTPONE THIS OR WHATEVER, BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE PROPOSAL FROM THE STAFF IS GOING TO BE, TO SEE THAT WE DON'T GET OUT OVER THE FRONT OF OUR SKIS ON THIS ONE. THAT'S FAIR, I JUST WOULD YOU GUYS ARE WELL AWARE OF THE THE TIMING OF OF CODE WRITING AND CODE CHANGES. SO THIS WOULD ORIGINALLY THIS WOULD FIRST GO TO CITY COUNCIL PROBABLY IN MARCH. THAT'S THE THE SOONEST AVAILABLE WORKSHOP DATE IN COUNCIL FOR A WORKSHOP. THEN AFTER THAT LANGUAGE WOULD COME BACK TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, AND THEN IT WOULD GO BACK TO COUNCIL FOR TWO MORE READINGS. SO HOPEFULLY BEFORE NEXT HURRICANE SEASON WE WOULD HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE. BUT THAT'S ABOUT AS FAST AS I KNOW. YOU'RE IMPRESSED WITH HOW FAST GOVERNMENT CAN MOVE. YES, BUT WE'RE ALL STUCK WITH UNFORTUNATE SCHEDULING AND YOU KNOW, NOBODY IS FULL TIME. SO WE STAY WITH OUR OTHER COMMENTS. OR CAN I MAKE ONE COMMENT? JUST. TESHIMA DID A WONDERFUL JOB FROM DIAGRAMS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU TOURED THE BACKYARD. ANYONE'S INVITED TO THE PLACES SHE SHOULD SUGGEST ARE NOT ONLY ON THE POOL DECK, BUT THEY ARE. THEY DO VIOLATE OPERABLE

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WINDOWS. SO, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN OUT THERE. TRUST ME, WITH TAPE MEASURES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THE OPTIONS ARE THE EAST SIDE. THAT IS AN OPTION. TECHNICALLY, THE OPTION IS RIGHT BEHIND THE GRILL. SO THOSE ARE THOSE ARE OPTIONS. SOME OF THE OTHER ONES SHE MENTIONS THOSE AREN'T BY BY GENERATOR CODE. THEY'RE NOT OPTIONS. I DON'T THINK YOU PUT A GENDER ON A POOL DECK, BUT ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? MORE OF A COMMENT.

PHILOSOPHICALLY, I'M GENERALLY AGAINST PROVIDING VARIANCES FOR ALL SUNDRY THINGS, BUT WHEN YOU HAVE AN INVESTMENT IN THE HOME IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE IN MANY NICER NEIGHBORHOODS, IT'S A REALITY THAT GENERATORS SHOULD BE, I THINK, WITHIN THE PURVIEW. AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT RICKETY WRECK, THEY SHOULD BE PROBABLY HAVE A DIFFERENT KIND OF FAST TRACK TO GET THROUGH.

THIS IS THAT IT'S LOGICAL. IT'S NOT THERE FOR MAKING THE PROPERTY, IMPROVING THE VALUE.

IT'S ABOUT PROTECTING THE PROPERTY THAT IS THERE. AND SO PHILOSOPHICALLY, FROM THAT POINT OF VIEW, I CAN SEE THAT THIS TYPE OF PROCEDURE SHOULD BE ALLOWED. THANK YOU. I AGREE 100%. UNFORTUNATELY, THE EXISTING CODE, I THINK FAIRLY CLEARLY REQUIRES DENIAL OF THIS, THIS APPLICATION. UNLESS WE IGNORE SOME OF THE REQUIRED THE REQUIRED ELEMENTS. SO I CAN CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE PERFECT PLACE TO TO PUT IT RIGHT NEXT TO EQUIPMENT THAT IT'S COMPLETELY CONSISTENT WITH. BUT BUT UNFORTUNATELY, I JUST DON'T SEE HOW IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE THE CODE, WE CAN WE CAN APPROVE THIS, BUT I'D LOVE TO HEAR WHY I'M WRONG ON THAT FROM ONE OF THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS. HONESTLY, DANIEL, I HAVE A I DON'T THINK I SEE IT IN YOUR IN THE PACKET HERE, BUT WOULD IT BE GREAT TO SEE IS A SITE PLAN OR WHERE YOU SHOW EVERY SPOT THAT IT COULD TECHNICALLY GO AND THEN YOUR PROPOSED SPOT? I THINK THAT WOULD ILLUSTRATE IT VERY WELL BECAUSE I THINK REGARDLESS OF WHAT OUR DECISION IS TODAY, YOU CAN GO IN FRONT OF COUNCIL WITH THIS FOR THE FINAL DECISION.

RIGHT? SO I THINK THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT ALREADY OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY.

IS THERE ANYBODY WISH TO MAKE A MOTION. YES I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS WRITTEN. SECOND, THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND TO APPROVE. OKAY. CALL THE ROLL. VICE CHAIR. KAPLAN. YES. MEMBER.

FOWLER. REGRETTABLY, NO. MEMBER. YES. MEMBER. SCHULTZ. YES. MEMBER. MAYOR'S ABSENT MEMBER.

YES. ALTERNATE MEMBER. COOPER. YES. CHAIR. COUGHLIN. NO PASSES BY TO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAY I JUST MAKE A COMMENT DIRECTED AT STAFF AS THIS IS GOING FORWARD AND ALSO WITH THE DANIEL'S COMMENT, I WHEN I WAS GOING THROUGH THE MATERIAL, WE WERE WE WERE GIVEN, I REALLY DO THINK SORT OF LIKE A SWOT ANALYSIS OF ALTERNATIVE POSITIONS WOULD BE VERY, VERY HELPFUL FOR US. YEAH, WE'LL WORK WITH THE PETITIONER. YOU KNOW, FROM FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, LOOKING AT IT, WE CAN TELL YOU WHERE IN THE BUILDING ENVELOPE IT WORKS. BUT IT IS WE WILL REQUIRE, YOU KNOW, COOPERATION BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHERE ALL THE NOT JUST TODAY BUT GOING GOING FORWARD. BECAUSE WHEN WE'VE HAD GENERATORS IN THE PAST, IT'S BEEN VERY DIFFICULT TO ASSESS WHERE THEY COULD GO. THIS WAS A GREAT PRESENTATION. CONGRATULATIONS. THE VIDEO WAS FABULOUS AND I'M VERY GLAD THAT YOU'RE KEEPING NAPLES BEAUTIFUL AND LOOKING AFTER YOUR NEIGHBORS AS WELL. HOPEFULLY YOU WON'T HAVE TO USE IT. THANK YOU. HAVE A GREAT HOLIDAY.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. QUESTION. DO WE NEED A BREAK OR CAN WE WAIT A LITTLE BIT? THAT IS ENTIRELY UP TO YOU OR ELLIE. WELL, IT'S UP TO ME. WE'RE TAKING A BREAK BECAUSE I HAVE

[8.A) Update on Naples 2045, the Elective Changes to the City of Naples Comprehensive Plan. ]

TO LEAVE EARLY, SO PUSH THROUGH. I HAVE NOT HIT THE TWO HOUR MARK. SO YOU'RE THE NEXT IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? YES. AND THIS IS JUST A STAFF. WE DON'T HAVE A PETITIONER FOR THIS ONE.

SO THIS IS JUST AN UPDATE. EVERY MONTH WE PROVIDE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE NAPLES 2045 PROJECT THAT WE'RE UNDERTAKING RIGHT NOW. SO THAT IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. YOU'LL SEE THE MEMO IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THIS MONTH THAN IN PREVIOUS MONTHS. THIS IS REALLY A RECAP FOR YOU OF THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW. SO WE'RE IN PHASE TWO OF THIS PROJECT. PHASE ONE WAS THE DATA GATHERING AND ANALYSIS. PHASE TWO IS THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE NOW. SO THE WE CALL IT THE PUBLIC

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ENGAGEMENT AND COUNCIL INPUT PHASE PA AND COUNCIL INPUT PHASE. SO THIS IS YOU'LL SEE THE MAJOR ATTACHMENT THAT'S IN HERE IS FROM THE CONSULTANT. AND THAT IS THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY. SO THEY PROVIDED FOR YOU AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY OF THE TWO PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS THAT WERE HELD ON NOVEMBER 13TH. THEY GAVE THEIR KIND OF A SUMMARY RECAP AND THEN ALSO ALL OF THE ACTUAL HARD DATA FROM THAT. SO YOU'LL SEE PRINTOUTS OF THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS DISCUSSED, WHAT WERE THE QUESTIONS. YOU HAVE THE MENTIMETER, WHICH WAS THE LITTLE EXERCISE THEY DID, THE QUESTIONNAIRE EXERCISE THAT THEY DID. AND THEN I WILL ADD A LITTLE BIT FOR YOU. WE DID RECEIVE AN UPDATE I RECEIVED LAST NIGHT THAT THE TOTAL NUMBER OF RESPONSES TO THE QUESTIONNAIRE IS, AS OF LAST NIGHT AT 526 WAS 944 RESPONSES TO THE QUESTIONNAIRE. SO THE QUESTIONNAIRE HAS CLOSED. IT CLOSED ON DECEMBER 6TH AND I WILL JUST YOU'VE ALL RECEIVED THE THE THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY SO WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AS WELL.

BUT THERE WERE WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE WAS AWARE THAT RESIDENTS THAT WERE UNABLE TO ATTEND THAT IN ATTEND IN PERSON, WERE ABLE TO PARTICIPATE THROUGH THE ONLINE QUESTIONNAIRE. AND THAT WAS 944 PEOPLE DID. AND THEN ALSO THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC WORKSHOPS HELD IN EARLY 2026 TO DIVE DEEPER INTO THE CONCERNS THAT WERE SHARED BY THE COMMUNITY AND EXPLORE WAYS TO ADDRESS THEM AND GATHER INPUT BEFORE PREPARING THE DRAFT PLAN.

SO NOTHING HAS BEEN. NO DRAFT CHANGES HAVE BEEN PREPARED YET. WE'RE STILL GATHERING, BUT THERE WILL BE. I HAVE TO MENTION ON THE RECORD, THERE WILL BE A JOINT MEETING BETWEEN THE PAB AND CITY COUNCIL ON JANUARY 20TH THAT WILL BE AT THE NORRIS CENTER. SO DON'T COME HERE. IT'S ACROSS THE STREET AND THAT WILL BE FOR YOU FOR PAB AND COUNCIL TO DISCUSS THE THE COMP PLAN, THE COMP PLAN UPDATE. ALL RIGHT. HERE FOR QUESTIONS. YEAH, I HAVE A QUESTION. SEVERAL MONTHS AGO WHEN WE WERE DISCUSSING THE TIMING OF THE PUBLIC OUTREACH, I ASKED THE QUESTION OF THE CONSULTANT. HOW WOULD THEY VIEW SUCCESS OR OTHERWISE? HAVE YOU GUYS HEARD BACK ON THAT? BECAUSE I HAVEN'T. SO THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY DOES PROVIDE.

IT WAS A COMPARISON OF LET ME GET THERE, I'M SORRY, COMPARISON OF SIMILAR PARTICIPATION EFFORTS. SO THE DETERMINATION WAS THAT VOTER TURNOUT WASN'T A COMPARABLE METRIC, BUT THE COMPARABLE METRIC WAS THERE'S A GRAPH IN HERE, A CHART, SORRY, A CHART THAT SHOWS SIMILAR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT EFFORTS IN OTHER COMMUNITIES, AND WHAT THE GENERAL PARTICIPATION TURNOUT IS AND HOW OURS COMPARES TO THAT TURNOUT. SO WE HAD LET'S SEE, THERE WERE. SORRY, I'M TRYING TO GET THERE. WE HAD THE TWO WORKSHOPS THAT WE HAD FOR THIS ONE. THERE WERE SO 944 RESPONSES TO THE ONLINE QUESTIONNAIRE, 43 ATTENDANCE TO THE MORNING SESSION AND 55 ATTENDANCE TO THE AFTERNOON SESSION. AND THAT WAS CONSIDERED GOOD OR ACCEPTABLE. THAT'S NOT FOR ME TO DETERMINE. THAT'S THAT'S FOR YOU TO DETERMINE THE 2009 19 VISIONING THING HAD PROBABLY OVER 300 PEOPLE IN THEIR SESSION. THAT'S ON PAGE EIGHT. THERE WAS YES, THERE WERE FOUR WORKSHOPS. ONE HAD 153. THE SECOND WORKSHOP HAD 31, THE THIRD WORKSHOP HAD 69, AND THE FOURTH HAD 73. AND AND ONE COMMENT ON THAT, I SEE THAT ON THE VISIONING WORKSHOPS THERE ARE FOUR WORKSHOPS ON FOUR DIFFERENT DAYS AT 4 OR 3, NO, TWO DIFFERENT TIMES. AND. I THINK AT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, THEY WERE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS.

YES. AND SO AND SO ESSENTIALLY WE'VE GOT 1500. NO, I'M SORRY, WE'VE GOT HOW MANY, HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE INVOLVED IN THOSE? TO OVER TO OVER 300. YEAH, 304 WORKSHOPS VERSUS 98 VERSUS ONE WE HAD. RIGHT. WE HAD 900, 944 SURVEYS SET IN. AND THE OTHER VISION HAD 1594. RIGHT. WE WERE DOWN BY 50 NUMBER 60%. 70%. YES. SO THIRD, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S DRAMATICALLY LESS THAN IT WAS BEFORE. YES. SO FOR FOR THE VISIONING STATEMENT FOR SESSIONS FOR THIS SESSION IN CONNECTION WITH THE COMP PLAN, TWO SESSIONS IN JANUARY VERSUS NOVEMBER, FOUR DATES VERSUS ONE DATE, 326 ATTENDEES VERSUS 98. AND SO I KNOW THAT THE CONSULTANTS DIDN'T WEIGH IN ON

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WHAT'S A SUCCESS. BUT, YOU KNOW, IN FAIRNESS, THAT DOESN'T SEEM HUGELY SUCCESSFUL. AND ALSO THE THE SESSIONS IN, IN THE VISIONING EFFORTS WERE ALL IN JANUARY IS THIS BOARD HAD SUGGESTED AND WHICH THE CITY COUNCIL HAD INITIALLY, HOPEFULLY INITIALLY REJECTED BECAUSE I THINK THAT WE HAD WE OUGHT TO HAVE MORE SESSIONS FOR THE PUBLIC IN JANUARY. THAT'S MY OPINION. I WOULD SAY WE WILL HAVE THE JANUARY 20TH JOINT MEETING, AND THEN THERE WILL BE ANOTHER ROUND OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS IN FEBRUARY. THERE WILL BE TWO MORE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS, SIMILAR TO NOT THE SAME FORMAT, BUT SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU WHAT WE HAD IN NOVEMBER. THAT'S NOT COLLECTING WHAT THE ISSUES ARE. IT'S TALKING ABOUT HOW YOU'RE GOING TO FIX THE THING. SO IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF OF INPUT. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE ISSUE IS THAT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE ANYWAY, IS, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE HAVE ONE THIRD, WE HAVE A THIRD OF THE PEOPLE THAT CAME INTO THE, THE WORKSHOPS, AND WE'RE ALMOST TWO THIRDS FROM WHAT WE HAD FOR THE SURVEYS. AND THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THOSE THINGS WAS IDENTIFY WHAT THE ISSUES ARE, WHAT PEOPLE THOUGHT PRIORITIES AND STUFF. AND WE DO THE SECOND SET OF OUTPUT. IT'S LIKE WITHIN, YOU KNOW, A MONTH OF WHEN WE'RE GOING TO COMPLETE ALL THE PRELIMINARY RESULTS AND STUFF. SO I THINK THAT'S WHERE MY CONCERN WOULD BE IS THAT WE'RE NOT FRONTLOADING THE THING WITH WHAT THE ISSUES ARE. AND AND AT LAST MONTH'S MEETING, WE HAD A MOTION AND IT WAS APPROVED SIX ONE THAT IF THE TURNOUT AND THE PARTICIPATION IN THE NOVEMBER SESSIONS WEREN'T SUFFICIENT, THAT WE RECOMMENDED THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE ADDITIONAL SESSIONS IN JANUARY. AND I THINK THAT THAT MOTION STILL STANDS. AND IT OUGHT TO BE CONSIDERED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. SO IF I COULD CHAIR FOR A MINUTE AND, ERICA, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, I BELIEVE THAT MOTION WAS CONSIDERED BY CITY COUNCIL AND THEY DECIDED TO NOT ADD. THEY DECIDED TO KEEP THE SCHEDULE AS IS AT THAT MEETING. SO. SO EVEN SUBSEQUENT TO OUR MOTION HERE AT PAB LAST MONTH, I BELIEVE YOUR MOTION WAS ARTICULATED TO BECAUSE THE CONSULTANTS CAME HERE FIRST AND THEN THEY STOPPED AT CITY COUNCIL. YOUR MOTION WAS ARTICULATED TO COUNCIL. THEY HAD A VERY HEALTHY DISCUSSION ON IT. I CAN GET YOU THE MEETING DATE IF YOU'D LIKE TO REVIEW IT, AND THEN IT WOULD HAVE RESULTED IN POTENTIALLY A CHANGE OF CONTRACT, CHANGE OF PURCHASE ORDER, ETC. AND COUNCIL DECIDED TO KEEP THE SCHEDULE AS IS. SO I JUST THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD CLARITY FOR YOU BECAUSE THERE'S THAT MOTION WAS ACTUALLY DISCUSSED BY COUNCIL. AND I THINK ONE OF THE MAJOR CONCERNS WITH THE SCHEDULE TO, I MEAN, BEYOND JUST THE CONTRACT, WAS THAT PUSHING THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PIECE FROM NOVEMBER TO JANUARY PUSHES EVERYTHING ELSE. AND SO THEN THE ACTUAL PUBLIC MEETINGS WHERE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, REVIEWING THE DRAFTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PUSHED TO A TIME THAT WAS NOT, YOU KNOW, IN HIGH SEASON WHEN PEOPLE WERE HERE. WELL, IT IS WHAT IT IS GUYS. SO YEAH, WE DON'T WE CAN'T BEAT A DEAD HORSE IF THEY CONSIDERED IT.

CAN I, CAN I COMMENT? I GUESS THE QUESTION I WOULD ASK WOULD BE IS THAT WHY CAN'T WE JUST HAVE ANOTHER WORKSHOP IN THE EARLY PART OF JANUARY AND LEAVE THE SCHEDULE? WHERE THE HELL IT IS? I MEAN, THAT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S NOT A BIG CHANGE, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY GETS A HECK OF A LOT MORE INPUT. YOUR COMMENT JUST THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO IF I WERE A CONSULTANT RUNNING THE PROJECT. QUESTION ARE YOU SUGGESTING A WORKSHOP FOR THE PLANNING BOARD IN JANUARY TALKING ABOUT WHATEVER WE DID IN ALREADY DONE DO ANOTHER ONE IN JANUARY. HAVE THE CONSULTANTS RUN ONE MORE PUBLIC MEETING IN JANUARY. AND ALL I'M SAYING IS COUNCIL DISCUSSED THAT AND DECIDED NOT TO. YOU WERE USING AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PICK ON WORDS. YOU SAID CHANGING THE SCHEDULE. I'M NOT CHANGING THE SCHEDULE. I AM ADDING A WORKSHOP. THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING. I'M NOT CHANGING THE SCHEDULE. OKAY, WELL, I UNDERSTAND, I GUESS JUST THE REALITY OF IT IS CITY COUNCIL MET FOR THE LAST TIME UNTIL JANUARY 20TH AT THE JOINT MEETING WITH YOU YESTERDAY. SO THERE IS NO WAY TO RUN THAT BY COUNCIL WITHOUT A SPECIAL MEETING, WHICH I HIGHLY DOUBT WILL OCCUR DUE TO THE HOLIDAYS. SO, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE THE MOST OF WHAT WE HAD EITHER ONE. YOU KNOW, I HOPE THE COUNCIL IS AWARE THAT WE REALLY CARE ABOUT THIS PROJECT. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD TO TALK TO THEIR FRIENDS, NEIGHBORS AND ACQUAINTANCES TO SEE, YOU KNOW, TO I'M IMPRESSED WITH THE SUMMARIZATIONS WE GOT. IT LOOKED LIKE THE I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT PARTICULARLY SURPRISED ME AND CONCERNS, BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY A MAJOR FINANCIAL WORRY ABOUT THE IMPACT OF WATER AND WHAT WE DO ABOUT IT, AND HURRICANES AND FLOODING THAT'S SEPARATE AND

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APART FROM, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE DENSITY IS AND THE SMALL TOWN CHARACTER. BUT THAT'S THE A MAJOR FINANCIAL IMPACT. BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE US TO JUST. PICK UP ON WHAT YOU'VE SEEN HERE. THE PACKET IS EXCELLENT. THE REPORTS ARE GOOD. WE COULD, YOU KNOW, FEEL FREE TO SHARE IT AND TALK TO YOUR FRIENDS ABOUT IT. I MEAN, IT'S HOLIDAY SEASON. YOU'RE GOING TO SEE A LOT OF PEOPLE AND THE WEBSITE REMAINS ACTIVE. THERE'S ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ANYONE CAN ENTER COMMENTS ON THE WEBSITE. ALL OF THIS, THIS FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT FROM THOSE LISTENING SESSIONS IS NOT WASTED ANY MORE SO THAN ANY OTHER FEEDBACK. SO ALL THE COMMENTS ON THE WEBSITE, ALL THE COMMENTS, THE 944 RESPONSES TO THE QUESTIONNAIRE, THAT'S ALL CONSIDERED EQUALLY AS THEY'RE PREPARING THESE DRAFTS. SO SO ALTHOUGH THE THE WEBSITE QUESTIONNAIRE IS CLOSED, IT'S STILL POSSIBLE TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THE WEBSITE. YOU CAN ANYONE CAN STILL REGISTER TO RECEIVE ALL THE NOTIFICATIONS. AND YOU CAN ALWAYS ADD THERE'S A COMMENT SECTION THAT YOU COULD ADD A COMMENT TODAY. YOU COULD ADD A COMMENT TOMORROW. YOU CAN ADD A COMMENT WEEKLY OKAY.

GREAT. AND THEN SECOND QUESTION IN THE JANUARY 20TH WORKSHOP BETWEEN THE COUNCIL AND PAB, THE PUBLIC CAN ATTEND, PARTICIPATE, MAKE STATEMENTS. WE WILL NOTICE THAT PUBLICLY.

IT'LL BE YOU KNOW, THAT'LL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO ENGAGE WITH BOTH BOARDS AT THE SAME TIME. SO THAT'S A WE THINK THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST VALUABLE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITY. SPEAK DIRECTLY TO YOU. THAT'D BE A TREAT IN AND OF ITSELF FOR CITIZENS OF NAPLES, I'M SURE. THE CONCERNS I HAD AT THE LAST TIME WAS SIMPLY THAT THE PROJECTED ATTENDEES NUMBERS WERE GOING TO BE NOT SUBSTANTIVE, AND WE WERE TOLD AT THAT TIME THAT THERE WERE 200 PEOPLE THAT HAD SIGNED UP TO ATTEND, AND THE ACTUAL ATTENDANCE WAS UNDER 100. AND SO THE POINT BEING THAT NOT ENOUGH RESIDENTS IN TOWN TO HAVE IT DONE NOW YOU CAN PARTICIPATE ONLINE. AND MANY PEOPLE HAVE, BUT THE CONCERN DOESN'T GO AWAY IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE FOR RESIDENTS FIRST IN THIS COMMUNITY, THE RESIDENTS HAVE A SAY THEY SHOULD BE HERE.

SO I JUST THINK IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH REALITY THAT TRYING TO SCHEDULE SOMETHING WHEN THEY'RE NOT HERE, IT'S JUST NOT A WISE POLICY. WELL, THE CHALLENGE IS WE'VE EXPRESSED OUR OPINION. THE CITY COUNCIL HAS REACTED TO IT. THEY YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT ON THE CITY COUNCIL, SO FEEL FREE TO RUN. I HAVE A I HAVE A I AM PRIMARILY OVER THAT ISSUE. I HAVE A QUICK, QUICK COMMENT ON THIS. IS COUNCIL GOING TO GET THE SAME UPDATE THAT WE PROVIDED TO YOU TODAY? YES WE WILL. OKAY. AND THEN I JUST WANT A QUICK OBSERVATION. BILL, MAYBE YOU CAN ANSWER THIS FOR ME BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS KIND OF IN YOUR WHEELHOUSE. SO THE ENGAGEMENT TURNOUT TOTAL, IF WE'RE GOING TO USE THE EMAIL RESPONSES AND ALSO THE TURNOUT, THERE IS ABOUT 900 PLUS ANOTHER HUNDRED. WE'RE ABOUT 1000. SO AND THE POPULATION IS CITY NAPLES IS AROUND 20 RIGHT. GIVE OR TAKE. SO THAT'S LIKE 5% THEN. AND SO IF I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE CHART COMPARING IT, THE 5% WOULD BE A GOOD COMPARISON AGAINST THE OTHER CITIES. YES.

AND WE'VE HAD A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION. I JUST GOT 2083 USERS VISITED THE WEBSITE.

RIGHT. SO WE'VE HAD LOTS OF INTERACTION WITH THE WEBSITE. AND DOES THAT COUNT AS ENGAGEMENT? ONLY IF THEY LEAVE A COMMENT. SO ALL THE ALL THE COMMENTS THAT WILL RECEIVE. BUT I MEAN, IT COUNTS AS ENGAGEMENT IN THE SENSE THAT PEOPLE ARE ENGAGING WITH THE PROJECT. BUT OKAY, THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO KNOW IF IF IN THEIR COMPARISON WITH THE OTHER CITIES, IF THAT COUNTS, YOU KNOW WHAT, WHAT COUNTS AS THEIR ENGAGEMENT. THEY DID NOT INCLUDE THAT IN THE CHART THAT YOU HAVE HERE THAT WASN'T INCLUDED IN THIS CHART. OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. OKAY. MAY I MAKE A REQUEST? WELL, A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION AND PERHAPS FOR SOME DOCUMENTATION. I WAS READING AN APPARENTLY THAT THERE ARE EVALUATION AND APPRAISAL REPORTS THAT ARE CONDUCTED PERIODICALLY ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. YES. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. I WOULD ADVISE THAT PROCESS HAS CHANGED DRAMATICALLY. IT IS JUST A LETTER AT THIS POINT. IT USED TO BE A PROCESS WHEREBY WE WOULD GO THROUGH AND DO A FULL REPORT, A FULL ANALYSIS OF THE PLAN. ESSENTIALLY. NOW ALL THAT REQUIRES IS THAT YOU SEND A LETTER TO THE STATE IDENTIFYING WHETHER YOU WILL BE REQUIRED TO UPDATE THE PLAN OR NOT. SO WE DID COMPLETE THAT PROCESS. SO THE LETTER, THE EAR LETTER WAS A LETTER TO THE STATE SAYING THAT YES, IN ORDER TO BE SUFFICIENT OR, YOU KNOW, MEET THE STATE STATUTE CHANGES, WE DO NEED TO UPDATE OUR COMP PLAN. WE SENT THAT LETTER AND THEN WE DID DO THE STATUTORILY REQUIRED

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UPDATES TO OUR COMP PLAN. SO CLEARLY NOT TO THE LEVEL THAT WE'RE TALKING TODAY, BUT JUST THE MINOR UPDATES REQUIRED TO MEET THE CURRENT STATUTE. SO THAT PROCESS WAS COMPLETED IN 20, I THINK FINALIZED IN 2024 OR 25. SO WE DID THAT. BUT IT'S IT'S NOT THE REPORT YOU'RE YOU'RE HOPING FOR. ARE THERE ANY EAR OR EVALUATION AND APPRAISAL REPORTS THAT HAVE BEEN CONDUCTED IN THE RECENT PAST THAT ARE MORE SUBSTANTIVE, THAT WOULD BE USEFUL FOR THIS? I THINK THE LAST TIME WE HAD TO DO A FULL REPORT WAS THE 2010 ERA. SO THE LAST TWO ROUNDS OF UPDATES HAVE JUST BEEN THE LETTER. BUT YOU CAN SEE THE EAR OF THE I MEAN, THE STATUTORILY REQUIRED UPDATE WAS THE ONE THAT WAS JUST ADOPTED. SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT WAS REQUIRED TO BE CHANGED. OKAY. AND WHERE COULD WE FIND THAT? OR WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO ATTACH THAT AS A SUPPLEMENTAL ITEM TO THIS AGENDA? YEAH, IT'S ON THE WEBSITE. IT'S ONE OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT THE, THE. THE CONSULTANT HAS. I'LL, I'LL SEND A LINK TO ALL THE MEMBERS. MANY THANKS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I DID ATTEND BOTH SESSIONS AND IN SPITE OF THE PAUCITY OF PARTICIPANTS PRESENT AT BOTH OF THOSE, THE CONSISTENT THEMES THAT I HEARD WERE PRIMARILY TRAFFIC DEVELOPMENT AND FLOODING THAT SEEMED TO BE VERY STEADY, VERY CONSISTENT, ALBEIT JUST UNDER 100 PEOPLE. BUT THE THEME WAS WAS IT DIDN'T DEVIATE. THEY WERE NEXT TO NO OTHER ISSUES THAT HAD ANY SUBSTANTIVE WEIGHT BEHIND THEM. THAT WAS THE OVERALL THING. BUT I KNEW THAT IT WAS GOING TO BE A LOWER NUMBER. BUT FROM BOTH SESSIONS, IT WAS REMARKABLY CLEAR WHAT'S ON THE MINDS OF THE 100 PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE. THANK YOU. THAT'S VERY HELPFUL TO KNOW WAS TRAFFIC? YES, IT WAS DEVELOPMENT TRAFFIC AND AND FLOODING RESILIENCY. OKAY, OKAY.

CAN WE MOVE ON NOW TO THE THANK YOU FOR YOUR REPORT, ERICA AND YOUR CLARITY. AND I THINK WE OUGHT TO TELL PEOPLE TO GET ON THIS IF THEY CARE, GET ON THE SITE. DON'T BE QUIET. YES.

PLEASE VISIT THE WEBSITE. THERE'S A LINK IN YOUR THE AGENDA MEMO THAT WAS PROVIDED TO YOU TODAY, GIVES YOU A LINK TO THAT WEBSITE AND SHARE THAT WITH EVERYONE AND HAVE THEM SEND IN THEIR COMMENTS AND ALSO REMIND EVERYONE YOU KNOW. IF THEY REGISTER, THEY WILL BE ON THE THE EMAIL LIST FOR DISTRIBUTION. ANYTIME THERE IS, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING COMES OUT OR THERE'S NEWS FROM THE CONSULTANT. SO THAT GOES INTO THE 10,000 EMAILS WERE RECEIVED FROM PEOPLE TELLING ME, WHATEVER, ERICA, COULD YOU PLEASE PROVIDE ME A COPY? IN WRITING OF THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY? SURE. THANK YOU. THE NEXT ITEM YOU HAVE IS THE

[9.A) Traffic Study Update from the Public Works Department. ]

TRAFFIC UPDATE. AGAIN, NOT FROM MY DEPARTMENT, FROM PUBLIC WORKS. AND I WILL SAY THE MATERIAL, THE BACKUP MATERIAL THAT'S PROVIDED IN THIS ITEM IS THE SAME MATERIAL THAT WENT TO CITY COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 8TH. THERE WAS A PRESENTATION BY THE CONSULTANT TO CITY COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 8TH TO DISCUSS THE STATUS OF THE STUDY. SO WE WENT AHEAD AND PUBLISHED ALL OF THAT SAME BACKUP FOR YOU TODAY. THAT ITEM WAS CONTINUED AT THAT MEETING, SO THEY WILL RETURN TO CITY COUNCIL AT THE NEXT WORKSHOP. SO NO DECISIONS WERE MADE. IT WAS ALSO JUST A WORKSHOP. SO IT WASN'T A, YOU KNOW, NO VOTING TOOK PLACE AT THAT TIME. BUT WE WILL AGAIN PROVIDE EVERYTHING THAT THE CONSULTANT COMES BACK WITH. FOR THE NEXT MEETING. WE'LL PROVIDE THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AS WELL. OKAY. AND OUR NEXT MEETING IS GOING TO BE ON A WEDNESDAY BACK TO WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 14TH IS THE NEXT REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING.

BUT THEN DON'T FORGET ALSO JANUARY 20TH. YEP, I GOT THAT. AND THEN ONE QUESTION ON ITEM NINE A THE TRAFFIC STUDY. SURE. ON PAGE THREE OF THE THE STAFF REPORT, IT SAYS THAT JOHNSON ENGINEERING HAS A POTENTIAL POLICY STRATEGIES FOR CONSIDERATION. WAS THAT INCLUDED IN THE MATERIALS TO CITY COUNCIL? IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF PAGE THREE. SO IT WAS THE LAST THE LAST DETACHMENT IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET. OKAY. WHAT IS THAT. BUT KEEP IN MIND THAT'S GOING TO BE REVISED AND BROUGHT BACK TO CITY COUNCIL OKAY. SO CITY COUNCIL REQUESTED SOME CHANGES AND TO WHAT WAS PRESENTED. AND FOR THE CONSULTANT TO RETURN TO THEM.

TERRIFIC. THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. IT WAS THE SEVENTH. AND WHAT OTHER DAY. WHAT'S THAT? OH, YOU HAVE JANUARY 14TH AND THEN JANUARY 20TH, 14TH AND 20TH. THANK YOU. JUST FOR PLANNING PURPOSES, IT'S UNFORTUNATELY, I STILL WORK AND I HAVE TO BLOCK DATES OUT AHEAD. IS THERE ANY OTHER TIME? WE'RE NOT MEETING ON THE SECOND WEDNESDAY BETWEEN NOW AND JUNE THAT YOU KNOW OF.

AT THIS POINT IN TIME? YOU DON'T HAVE TO LOOK IT UP. IF YOU COULD LET ME KNOW THAT INFORMATION, I'LL LET YOU KNOW. FINE. OKAY. I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK THE DATES USUALLY CHANGE JUST AT THE END OF THE YEAR WITH THE HOLIDAYS. SURE, BUT I'LL MAKE SURE. FINE. I JUST IF WE HAD QUESTIONS, HOW DO WE GET ANSWERS? I MEAN, LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD A BUNCH OF ON THE

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POWERPOINT ON PAGE FIVE, THEY HAD A BUNCH OF STUFF. THEY TALKED ABOUT VOLUMES AND STUFF.

I MEAN, WHERE DO THEY GET THAT STUFF? YOU KNOW, THEY TALKED ABOUT THEY CHANGED EVERYTHING TO THE PEAK AREAS, WHICH WAS THREE, THREE, THREE, 3 P.M. I GUESS. AND AND WHERE DID ALL THIS EXTRA DATA COME FROM? BECAUSE BEFORE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT A PILE OF STUFF THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, ACCORDING TO WHAT THE YOU KNOW, I WOULD SEND ALL OF YOUR CORRESPONDENCE RELATED TO THE TRAFFIC STUDY THROUGH THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT. OKAY. JUST I, I MEAN, I CAN DO I REGRETFULLY AM NOT INVOLVED IN THAT PROCESS AT ALL, BUT THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT IS FACILITATING THAT. AND I DO BELIEVE THAT WITH THE JANUARY 20TH MEETING, WE CAN GET ASKED QUESTIONS. YOU CAN TALK TO COUNCIL ABOUT WHATEVER YOU WANT. WELL, NOT WHATEVER YOU WANT.

WELL, WITHIN REASON. SO WITHIN THE REALM OF, I THINK, A LITTLE PREPARATION ON OUR PART AND MAYBE WE CAN DISCUSS IT ON THE 14TH OF IS ANYTHING PARTICULARLY PRESSING. THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. OKAY. LET'S SEE. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH ERIC, IS THERE ANYTHING CORRESPONDENCE PUBLIC COMMENT. NO, THERE'S NO WE LOST OUR WHOLE PUBLIC. CORRESPONDENCE

[11) Correspondence and Communication]

AND COMMUNICATIONS. ANYTHING. NOT FROM STAFF. JUST MERRY CHRISTMAS. MERRY CHRISTMAS TO EVERYBODY. I WANT TO COMPLIMENT YOUR STAFF. REPORTS ARE REALLY GOOD THESE DAYS, AND THEY'RE COMPREHENSIVE. AND IT'S ALL THE STUFF WE'VE BROUGHT IN. UNDERSTANDABLE. SO I WANT TO COMPLIMENT EVERYBODY THAT IS HERE AND THOSE THAT LEFT. SO THANK YOU. I'D JUST LIKE TO ADD AND THE PRESENTATIONS, THE MATERIALS AND THE PRESENTATIONS HAVE BEEN EXCELLENT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND TO THE STAFF AND COUNCIL I'D LIKE TO WISH YOU A MERRY CHRISTMAS.

HAPPY NEW YEAR WHILE WE'RE NOT HERE. AND TO MY FELLOW MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AS WELL. THANK YOU.

IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION. SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR?

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.