Nov 19, 2025 City Council Regular Meeting

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GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO THE CITY COUNCIL REGULAR MEETING THIS BEAUTIFUL NOVEMBER 19TH,

[1) CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL]

ROLL. COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER CRISMAN HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. CRAMER HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN HERE.

COUNCIL MEMBER. PETRANOFF HERE. VICE MAYOR HUTCHINSON HERE.

MAYOR HEITMANN HERE. THANK YOU. WE'LL STAND FOR THE INVOCATION GIVEN BY REVEREND EDWARD GLEASON FROM TRINITY,

[2) INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]

AND WE PRAY YOU SEND DOWN UPON THOSE WHO HOLD OFFICE IN THIS CITY THE SPIRIT OF WISDOM, CHARITY AND JUSTICE, THAT WITH STEADFAST PURPOSE THEY MAY FAITHFULLY SERVE IN THEIR OFFICES TO TO PROMOTE THE WELL-BEING OF ALL PEOPLE.

WE OFFER THESE OUR PETITIONS AND DESIRES THROUGH YOUR HOLY NAME.

AMEN. AMEN. PLEASE JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

THANK YOU. REVEREND. GOOD MORNING, MR. YOUNG.

[3) SET AGENDA  (add or remove items) ]

MAYOR. NO CHANGES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. COUNCIL.

ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA? I HAVE A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY VICE MAYOR AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER PETRANOFF.

ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNED BY I. AYE. OPPOSED? THANK YOU.

COUNCIL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. AND NUMBER FOUR. ANNOUNCEMENTS AND PRESENTATIONS.

[4.A) Do the Right Thing Presentation.]

GOOD MORNING SIR. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US IN HERE AGAIN TODAY.

AS YOU KNOW THIS PROGRAM IS IN ITS 13TH YEAR.

IT'S AMAZING BECAUSE WE RECOGNIZE YOUNG ADULTS IN OUR COMMUNITY FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING.

OUR SPONSOR OF THE MONTH IS SKY ZONE. THEY'RE UP IN FORT MYERS.

IT'S A LARGE INSIDE TRAMPOLINE COURT CENTER. ACTIVITY CENTER.

IT'S NINA HERE THIS MORNING. OKAY, WELL, I JUST WANT TO THANK HER FOR BEING OUR SPONSOR FOR THE MONTH, AND WE'LL GET THIS TO HER. WE'RE RECOGNIZING THREE YOUNG ADULTS THIS MORNING, AND THEIR STORIES ARE ALL DIFFERENT, BUT THEY'RE ALL WONDERFUL. THE FIRST ONE WE HAVE HERE IS MISS VIVIAN.

SHE SHOWED EXEMPLARY SITUATIONAL HANDLING SKILLS DURING A CONFRONTATION WITH AN AGGRESSIVE TEENAGER WHO DOES NOT ATTEND VIVIAN'S SCHOOL.

HE SHOWED EXTREME AGGRESSION TOWARDS HER AND HER CLASSMATES WHILE AT AN AFTER SCHOOL LOCATION.

SHE DID THE RIGHT THING BY REMAINING CALM. THANK YOU.

CALMING HER PEERS AND MAKING AN EDUCATED AND EDUCATED EVALUATION OF THE SITUATION TO ALERT THE ADULTS IN CHARGE.

THE LIBRARIAN AND SECURITY OFFICER OF CENTRAL AVENUE LIBRARY, VIVIAN SHOWED STRENGTH AND MATURITY WHILE DOING THE RIGHT THING.

THANK YOU. VIVIAN. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. WE ALSO WITH THE TROPHY, THE BACKPACK.

SENATOR RICK SCOTT HAS A LETTER FOR EACH OF THE RECIPIENTS THIS MORNING.

THIS IS. DEAR VIVIAN. CONGRATULATIONS ON RECEIVING THE DO THE RIGHT THING AWARD FROM THE NAPLES POLICE DEPARTMENT.

I APPLAUD YOUR EXEMPLARY BEHAVIOR, ACCOMPLISHMENTS, AND GOOD DEEDS THAT LED YOU TO RECEIVE THIS RECOGNITION.

I ENCOURAGE YOU TO CONTINUE SETTING GOALS, WORKING HARD, AND DOING THE RIGHT THING IN YOUR COMMUNITY.

I AM CONFIDENT YOUR EFFORTS WILL PROVIDE MANY GREAT OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOU AS YOU CONTINUE TO WORK HARD AT SCHOOL.

MY GOAL IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE IS TO CONTINUE BUILDING ON FLORIDA'S TREMENDOUS SUCCESS.

SO YOU AND EVERY STUDENT HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE THEIR AMERICAN DREAM.

AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS ON RECEIVING THIS TREMENDOUS AWARD.

STUDENTS LIKE YOU ARE THE FUTURE OF OUR STATE AND NATION.

I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST FOR FUTURE SUCCESS AS YOU CONTINUE YOUR EDUCATION AND PURSUE YOUR DREAMS. SINCERELY, SENATOR RICK SCOTT. HOW ABOUT THAT? WOW. OKAY. THE NEXT STORY IS ABOUT AVERY, A 10TH GRADER OVER AT FREEDOM INSTITUTE.

STUDENT VOLUNTEERS. SO MANY HOURS. SHE VOLUNTEERS SO MANY HOURS OF HER TIME TO PARTICIPATE IN NAPLES TAKE A SOLDIER EVENT THROUGH THE YEAR, INCLUDING THE BASS FISHING TOURNAMENT IN APRIL AND THE BIG THURSDAY THROUGH SUNDAY EVENT IN SEPTEMBER AT THE NAPLES GRAND.

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SHE IS KIND, CARING, HAPPY, WONDERFUL CITIZENS AND EMBODIES PATRIOTISM AND SUPPORT FOR OUR TROOPS.

AVERY, ARE YOU HERE THIS MORNING? COME UP. OKAY.

SHE'S ACCEPTED FOR HER BEHALF. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT.

THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. SARAH IS ALSO A STUDENT AT THE FREEDOM INSTITUTE.

STUDENT INITIATED. SARAH INITIATED A YOUNG AMERICA'S FOUNDATION CHAPTER AT FREEDOM.

IT IS THE FIRST CHAPTER THAT FREEDOM HAS HAD.

SHE IS THE PRESIDENT AND A TRUE LEADER FOR HER PATRIOTIC PEERS.

FURTHERMORE, SARAH TOOK THE LEAD IN ORGANIZING A NINE OVER 11 PROJECT EVENT ON FREEDOM'S CAMPUS ON NINE OVER 11.

THIS INCLUDED PLACING 2997 FLAGS OUTSIDE ON FREEDOM'S CAMPUS, AN HOUR BEFORE SCHOOL BEGAN THAT DAY AT 6 A.M. TO HONOR THE VICTIMS FROM NINE OVER 11. SHE ALSO PROVIDED INFORMATIONAL DOCUMENTS, PINS, AND PATRIOTIC COOKIES TO HER PEERS. IN ADDITION TO SPEAKING ON THE MORNING ANNOUNCEMENTS, THIS ENTIRE PROCESS WAS SELF-INITIATED AND CONDUCTED BY STUDENTS.

SHE WAS ALSO ATTENDING A YAF HIGH SCHOOL CONFERENCE AT THE REAGAN RANCH IN SANTA BARBARA.

YOU JUST WENT THERE. YOU ATTENDED IT, OKAY. SHE'S A WONDERFUL STUDENT AND EMBODIES TRUE CITIZENSHIP AND PATRIOTISM FOR OUR HIGH SCHOOL AND OUR COUNTRY.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR WHAT YOU DO. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I UNDERSTAND SKY ZONE.

NINA, ARE YOU HERE? OH, COME ON UP. I JUST WANT TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR SPONSORSHIP FOR DO THE RIGHT THING PROGRAM FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES.

AND WE'LL GIVE THE PLAQUE HERE. THANK YOU. AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO SEEING YOU MORE OFTEN. YEAH. OF COURSE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND BEFORE WE CLOSE, I'D LIKE TO GET MR. BRUCE BARONE UP FOR CLOSING COMMENTS.

THANK YOU. WELL, GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME BACK.

GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. JUST BRIEFLY RECAP WHAT WE JUST CELEBRATED HERE.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, CITY STAFF AND COMMUNITY PARTNERS, AND MEMBERS OF NAPLES CITY COUNCIL.

WE JUST WANT TO AGAIN, THANK YOU THIS MORNING FOR YOUR SUPPORT FOR THIS PROGRAM. THIS HAS BECOME SOMETHING THAT IS SO IMPORTANT, SO POWERFUL AND SO IMPACTFUL FOR OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE REALLY JUST APPRECIATE THE TIME, THE CHANCE TO SEE AND SPEAK TO YOU AND RECOGNIZE THESE WONDERFUL KIDS.

BEFORE WE CONTINUE, I WANT TO JUST TO RECOGNIZE REAL, REAL QUICKLY AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, CORPORAL SEAN PHILLIPS FOR HIS HARD WORK AND HIS DEDICATION TO THIS PROGRAM. YOU KNOW, DUE TO AN EMERGENCY, HE CAN'T BE HERE TODAY.

BUT HE IS THE ONE WHO MAKES THIS PROGRAM BREATHE.

HE IS DEDICATED AND IS WILLING TO GO THE EXTRA MILE TO SPEAK TO THESE KIDS, TO LEARN ABOUT THEIR SUCCESSES AND TO CELEBRATE THEM.

SO I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU AND MAKE SURE THAT WE RECOGNIZE OFFICER SEAN PHILLIPS.

AGAIN, WE'D LIKE TO CONGRATULATE VIVIAN GASPERSON OF GULFVIEW MIDDLE SCHOOL, SHOWING CALM JUDGMENT DURING A DIFFICULT INCIDENT IN THE CENTRAL AVENUE LIBRARY AND HELPED STEADY HER CLASSMATES. AVERY MCCASKILL.

A 10TH GRADER FROM THE FREEDOM INSTITUTE CONTINUES TO GIVE HER TIME AND SUPPORT, WHICH.

IS ESSENTIAL TO THE NAPLES TAKE A SOLDIER EVENT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR.

SARAH FALLAH, A 12TH GRADER AT FREEDOM INSTITUTE, DEMONSTRATED HER LEADERSHIP BY ORGANIZING A MEANINGFUL NINE OVER 11 REMEMBRANCE ON HER CAMPUS THAT SHE CONTINUES TO THIS DAY EACH YEAR.

EACH OF THESE STUDENTS CHOSE RESPONSIBILITY WHEN IT COUNTED, AND THEIR ACTIONS STRENGTHENED BOTH THEIR SCHOOLS AND THEIR CITY.

THANK YOU AGAIN TO OUR SPONSOR, SKYZONE AND TO NINA CANADA FOR MAKING THIS RECOGNITION POSSIBLE.

AND AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS TO OUR RECIPIENTS OVER THE YEARS.

THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ACCOLADE FOR OUR THE CHILDREN IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND WE ARE VERY BLESSED TO HAVE IT CONTINUE.

WE WANT TO SEE MORE OF THEIR SUCCESS. SO THANK YOU ALL AND HAVE A GREAT MORNING.

DID YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? WE'RE GOING TO BRING THEM UP FOR A PHOTO WITH YOU. OKAY.

SO IT'S MY HONOR TO GIVE THIS PROCLAMATION TO THE NAPLES POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH WAS FOUNDED IN 1925

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WHEREAS FOR A CENTURY, THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE NAPLES POLICE DEPARTMENT, BOTH SWORN OFFICERS AND CIVILIAN STAFF, HAVE DEMONSTRATED PROFESSIONALISM, COURAGE, INTEGRITY WHILE PROTECTING RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES AND VISITORS.

WHEREAS THE NAPLES POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS CHAMPIONED TRANSPARENCY, MODERNIZED THE DEPARTMENT OPERATIONS, AND PRIORITIZED COMMUNITY OUTREACH FOSTERED A DEEPER LEVEL OF TRUST AND COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE NAPLES POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE RESIDENTS IT SERVES.

WHEREAS THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY, THE DEPARTMENT HAS ADOPTED TO EVOLVING NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY, EMBRACING INNOVATION, INVESTING IN TECHNOLOGY, AND UPHOLDING THE HIGHEST STANDARDS OF SERVICE TO ENSURE NAPLES REMAINS SAFE, WELCOMING AND RESILIENT. WHEREAS NAPLES NAPLES ACKNOWLEDGES AND HONORS THE SACRIFICES MADE BY THE DEPARTMENT'S OFFICERS, PAST AND PRESENT, WHO DEDICATE THEIR LIVES TO PRESERVING PEACE, RESPONDING IN TIMES OF CRISIS, AND ENSURING THAT NAPLES REMAINS ONE OF THE SAFEST AND MOST DESIRABLE COMMUNITIES IN THE NATION.

WHEREAS UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF CHIEF CIRO DOMINGUEZ, THE DEPARTMENT HAS CONTINUED TO EXPAND ITS COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE, IMPLEMENTING FORWARD THINKING POLICING STRATEGIES, STRENGTHENING THE COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS, ENHANCING OFFICER TRAINING AND SUPPORTING THE WELL-BEING OF THE PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE DEPARTMENT'S PERSONNEL.

WHEREAS THE CENTENNIAL ANNIVERSARY IS A SIGNIFICANT MILESTONE THAT REFLECTS NOT ONLY ON THE DEPARTMENT'S LONG STANDING LEGACY, BUT ALSO THE DEDICATED LEADERSHIP AND VISION THAT CONTINUE TO GUIDE INTO THE NEXT CENTURY OF SERVICE.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, TERESA HEITMANN, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF NAPLES, DO HEREBY RECOGNIZE AND CELEBRATE THE 100TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE NAPLES POLICE DEPARTMENT, AND I EXTEND A HEARTFELT APPRECIATION TO EVERY MEMBER OF THE DEPARTMENT FOR THEIR SERVICE, DEDICATION, AND COMMITMENT TO SERVING OUR COMMUNITY.

THANK YOU.

THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND AND I AM HUMBLED BY THIS AND THESE KIND WORDS.

AND ONE THING I WANT TO GET OUT. WE DO HAVE A CARNIVAL TOMORROW.

2 TO 6 OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. AND WE HAVE GAMES AND ALL KINDS OF EVENTS.

AND IT'LL BE A GOOD TIME TO CELEBRATE WITH THE COMMUNITY AND OUR POLICE OFFICERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

BUT INCIDENTALLY, I WAS SPEAKING TO THE CITY MANAGER EARLIER, AND ONE OF THE THINGS WE WANT TO CONTINUE IN THIS DEPARTMENT AND PUSH FORWARD INTO THE NEXT 100 YEARS, WHICH I DIDN'T START 100 YEARS AGO.

BUT CLOSE, IS THE SENSE THAT THE OCCUPATION OF A POLICE OFFICER IS A VOCATION TO SERVE AND PROTECT.

THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE. WE WE HAVE MADE GREAT ADVANCEMENTS IN TECHNOLOGY, AND WE HAVE MADE GREAT ADVANCEMENTS IN ALL KINDS OF THINGS.

BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT IS THE CHARACTER AND THE COMMITMENT OF THE MAN AND WOMAN TO DO THE DEEDS, TO DO THE JOB, AND TO TO PUSH FORWARD THE VALUES OF THIS CITY AND THIS COUNTRY.

SO THANK YOU. IF YOU CAN GET THE RECIPIENTS UP FRONT FOR A PHOTO OPPORTUNITY, PLEASE.

CONGRATULATIONS. YEAH. OH, YEAH. CAN YOU GUYS.

JUST LIKE ME. OH, YEAH. YEAH.

YEAH, YEAH.

THAT'S AMAZING. WHAT A GREAT.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

GREAT. GOOD JOB. IN THIS WORLD IS NOT EXACTLY.

NO. THANK YOU.

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SORRY IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING. HOW ARE YOU? GOOD. IF YOU'LL JUST STAND BESIDE ME. SO IT'S MY HONOR TO GIVE THIS

[4.B) Proclamation for Epilepsy Awareness Month.]

ALLIANCE. WHEREAS EPILEPSY IS A BRAIN DISORDER CHARACTERIZED BY RECURRENT UNPROVOKED SEIZURES THAT CAN AFFECT ANYONE AT ANY AGE, AT ANY TIME. WHEREAS EPILEPSY IS A SPECTRUM DISEASE COMPROMISED BY A DIAGNOSIS EXPERIENCES AND INCLUDES A WIDE RANGE OF SEIZURE TYPES. KARMA BITES RIGHT? EXCUSE ME? THE KARMA RIGHT BITES. CONTROL SEVERITY AND COMORBIDITY.

COMORBIDITY. YEAH, I KNOW, IT'S WORDY. I'M SO SORRY.

NO. THAT'S OKAY. CONTROL OF SEVERITY AND OUTCOME VARYING FROM PERSON TO PERSON.

AND WHEREAS EPILEPSY IS THE FOURTH MOST COMMON NEUROLOGICAL DISORDER, APPROXIMATELY 3.4 PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES LIVE IN THE ACTIVE EPILEPSY. WHEREAS PEOPLE WITH EPILEPSY NEED ACCESS TO AFFORDABLE, COMPREHENSIVE, PHYSICIAN DIRECTED AND PERSON CENTERED HEALTH CARE. AND WHEREAS 426,000 FLORIDIANS LIVE WITH EPILEPSY, INCLUDING 88,000 CHILDREN IN FLORIDA, AND GREATER EDUCATION AND IMPROVED ACCESS TO CARE IS NEEDED IN SCHOOLS, WHICH CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED BY PASSING A SEIZURE.

SAFE SCHOOLS LEGISLATION NATIONWIDE. WHEREAS WHILE PROTECTION EXISTS IN THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT AND RELATED CIVIL RIGHTS LAWS, PEOPLE WITH EPILEPSY STILL ENCOUNTER DISCRIMINATION IN AREAS INCLUDING EMPLOYMENT, EDUCATION AND HOUSING, WHEREAS EPILEPSY AWARENESS MONTH IS A NATIONWIDE EFFORT IN NOVEMBER FOR EPILEPSY ALLIANCE FLORIDA TO RAISE AWARENESS ABOUT THE CHANGES, THE CONVERSATION AROUND EPILEPSY, SEIZURES AND SIDE EFFECTS, AS WELL AS TO IMPROVE AND SAVE LIVES THROUGH CARE, ADVOCACY, RESEARCH AND THROUGH NEW THERAPIES IN PUBLIC HEALTH AND EDUCATION.

WHEREAS THROUGH ACTION TOGETHER ON EPILEPSY AWARENESS MONTH AND DURING OTHER AWARENESS AND INNOVATIONS INCLUDING INTERNATIONAL EPILEPSY DAY, EPILEPSY AWARENESS DAY AND BRAIN AWARENESS WEEK AND ANY DAY OF THE YEAR, IT IS IMPORTANT TO INCREASE PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE ABOUT EPILEPSY AND SEIZURES, FIRST AID AND CHANGE THE WAY PEOPLE THINK ABOUT EPILEPSY AND SEIZURES.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, TERESA HEITMAN, ON BEHALF OF THE CITY OF NAPLES, DO PROCLAIM NOVEMBER 2025 AS EPILEPSY AWARENESS MONTH AND ENCOURAGE NAPLES RESIDENTS TO TAKE ACTION TOGETHER AND USE OUR BRAINS TO OVERCOME THE CHALLENGES OF LIVING WITH EPILEPSY AND ACCELERATE THERAPIES TO STOP SEIZURES AND FIND CURES AND SAVE LIVES. AND I DID READ THIS YESTERDAY AND GOT IT RIGHT.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR, FOR ALL YOU DO. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. NAPLES IS AN EXCEPTIONAL CITY.

AND THE AMOUNT OF SUPPORT THAT I'VE ENCOUNTERED HERE TO FIND PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO HELP AND UNDERSTAND IT'S IT'S ONE OF THE MOST CARING AND ENGAGING PLACES I'VE EVER LIVED. I'VE BEEN HERE FOR FIVE YEARS NOW. JUST LIKE SEEING THE KIDS, YOU KNOW, AND THE CHARACTER OF THE TOWN AND THE THE NATURE OF COMPASSION THAT EXISTS HERE IS EXCEPTIONAL. AND I'M JUST REALLY GRATEFUL FOR THIS.

THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. AND YOU KNOW, WITH THE EPILEPSY ALLIANCE ARE HERE FOR ANYONE WHO NEEDS ANY, ANYTHING REGARDING TRAININGS, EDUCATION, ASSISTANCE WITH SERVICES.

I HAVE AN OFFICE AT THE YMCA BUILDING, AND I'M HERE FOR EVERYONE WHO NEEDS US.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SURE. THAT'D BE GREAT. THANKS.

THANK YOU, SIR.

OKAY, THAT'S A GREAT WAY TO START OUR DAY. GOING TO ITEM FIVE IS PUBLIC COMMENT.

[5) PUBLIC COMMENTS]

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IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THE ITEMS, YOU CAN FILL IT OUT AND GIVE IT TO THE CLERK.

WITH THAT, WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. I HAVE MR. WHITAKER. GOOD MORNING.

MY NAME IS JAMES WHITAKER. I LIVE AT 578 13TH STREET NORTH, NAPLES, FLORIDA.

I CAME HERE TODAY FOR. I CAME TO ACTUALLY SAY GOODBYE TO A COUPLE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS, BECAUSE I MAY NOT SEE YOU GUYS IN ANOTHER FORUM. SO I'M TAKING THE TIME TO THANK YOU.

AND THOSE SOMETIMES I'VE COME DOWN AND I MAY HAVE BEEN A LITTLE HARD ON YOU GUYS, BUT IT'S BECAUSE I CARE FOR MY COMMUNITY. I CARE FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES. WE'VE HEARD A FEW PEOPLE SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, NAPLES IS AN EXCELLENT PLACE TO BE AND THAT THERE IS A. THERE'S A SPECIAL CHARACTER HERE, AND I MOVED DOWN HERE BECAUSE OF THE SMALL HOME FIELD THAT NAPLES HAD. I RAISED MY KIDS HERE, AND I PARTICIPATED IN THE FORUM THAT YOU GUYS HAD UP AT THE LUTHERAN CHURCH, THE 2045 PROJECT THAT YOU GUYS ARE GOING FOR. THERE WAS A TERM USED THERE, THE GREEN JEWEL.

I DON'T EXACTLY KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS. NOW. I KNOW WHAT IT MEANT WHEN I FIRST GOT HERE BECAUSE NAPLES WAS GREEN. EVERYWHERE YOU LOOKED, IT WAS GREEN. NOT SO MUCH.

NOW WE COULD CALL IT THE CONCRETE JEWEL NOW BECAUSE EVERYWHERE YOU TURN THERE'S GROWTH.

GROWTH THAT IS NOT SMALL TIME GROWTH. GROWTH THAT IS STARTING TO LOOK LIKE MIAMI GROWTH.

SOMETHING THAT A LOT OF US HERE IN NAPLES ARE NOT LOOKING FOR.

SOME OF YOU RAN ON THE. NOTION THAT YOU WEREN'T GOING TO VOTE FOR THAT TYPE OF GROWTH.

I THINK SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE FORGOTTEN. I CAN'T SAY EVERYONE, BUT I CAN'T SAY SOME.

SO, PLEASE, YOU TOOK AN OATH WHEN YOU SIGNED UP FOR THIS JOB.

SO PLEASE REMEMBER YOUR OATH. YOU ARE NOT WORKING FOR ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE.

YOU ARE WORKING FOR THE WHOLE OF NAPLES. AND FROM THAT FORUM THAT I WENT TO THE OTHER DAY.

MOST OF THE PEOPLE THERE ARE NOT FOR ALL OF THIS GROWTH THAT WE'RE GETTING.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JAKE MULLEN, FOLLOWED BY BARBARA RUDD.

GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL HONORABLE MAYOR. MY NAME IS JAKE MULLEN.

I AM A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE NAPLES AIRPORT TENANTS COUNCIL.

SO WE'RE GOING TO TALK A LITTLE AIRPORT TALK. ALSO WAS INSPIRED BY THE KIDS AND THE DO THE RIGHT THING INITIATIVE.

I THINK THAT'S FANTASTIC. THAT WAS A GREAT WAY TO START MY MORNING.

SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. I ALSO SNUCK A PICTURE, SO I HOPE THAT'S OKAY.

THE TENANTS COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO GO ON RECORD ON JUST STATING A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WE'VE KIND OF BEEN WORKING ON. FIRST, WE WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WE BELIEVE THAT THE NAPLES AIRPORT IS A CRITICAL NICKEL PART OF LOCAL INFRASTRUCTURE HERE IN NAPLES.

VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. IT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I MOVED HERE.

YOU KNOW, JUST I DON'T KNOW, I'M NOT ALONE IN THAT.

ALSO ON THE THE TOPIC OF RECEIVING OR NOT RECEIVING FEDERAL GRANTS, WE BELIEVE THAT IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THE NAPLES AIRPORT ACCEPT FEDERAL GRANTS, WHICH I KNOW IS NOT YOUR GIG. HOWEVER, YOU DO APPOINT THOSE PEOPLE THAT VOTE ON THAT SORT OF STUFF.

SO WE WE ARE ASKING THAT THE THE CITY COUNCIL WILL SUPPORT AND APPOINT PEOPLE THAT SUPPORT THE AIRPORT.

THIS WOULD BE OUR REQUEST TO YOU. WE ALSO THINK THAT WE WANT TO PUT ON RECORD THAT WE BELIEVE THAT IF YOU REJECT FEDERAL GRANTS, THIS DOES NOT GIVE US MORE LOCAL CONTROL. WE HAVE TALKED TO MANY PEOPLE ABOUT THIS AND THAT HAS THAT HAS SINCE BEEN DEBUNKED AND REJECTED.

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AND PART OF THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTING THOSE FEDERAL GRANTS SO THAT THE PEOPLE, THE RESIDENTS, WE DON'T INCUR THAT COST. AND ALSO WE HAVE INTERVIEWED SOME CANDIDATES THAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO CONSIDER FOR THESE APPOINTED POSITIONS THAT WOULD SUPPORT THE AIRPORT.

AND I JUST WANT TO GO ON RECORD BY STATING THEIR NAMES.

THIS IS WHO WE SUPPORT, WHICH I THINK IS IMPORTANT TO GET ON RECORD.

JOHN ALLEN PETER WHITEHORN, RALPH ALBERTO, MICHELLE ARNOLD, GREG MALLISON, AND CRAIG KOBZA. I WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL HONORABLE MAYOR.

MAY GOD BLESS AMERICA AND NAPLES, FLORIDA. AND I AM GRATEFUL FOR THE OPPORTUNITY ALWAYS TO BE OF SERVICE FOR MY TOWN, MY COMMUNITY, AND IF I MAY BE OF SERVICE OF FOR ANY SCOPE FOR ANYONE, I'M HAPPY TO DO IT.

SO GOOD DAY TO YOU ALL AND I HOPE THAT YOU HAVE A WONDERFUL AFTERNOON.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS BARBARA RUDD.

GOOD MORNING, COUNCILORS BARBARA RUDD, NAPLES, FLORIDA.

I'M HERE THIS MORNING TO TALK ABOUT CAMBIER PARK, WHICH IS A PARK I GO TO PRETTY MUCH EVERY DAY.

I'VE BEEN RUNNING INTO A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO THE PLAYGROUND WITH THEIR CHILDREN.

THEY'RE NOT THEY DON'T THEY'RE NOT RESIDENTS OF NAPLES.

SO THEY'RE NOT USED TO GOING TO THE PARK AND HAVING, YOU KNOW, THE PARK, NOT OPEN THE PLAYGROUND.

I'M JUST WONDERING WHY THERE WASN'T A LARGE SIGN STATING WHAT THE REASON IS.

AND THE OTHER THING I WOULD RECOMMEND IS GIVING PEOPLE SOME OPTIONS.

WE'VE BEEN TELLING PEOPLE, THERE'S FLEISHMAN PARK, BAKER PARK.

THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A SMALL MAP ON WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE.

THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN REALLY NICE. I THINK WE COULD STILL HAVE TIME TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR PEOPLE BECAUSE IT'S EARLY ENOUGH, JUST MID NOVEMBER. LET'S SEE AS FAR AS THE TIMELINE, I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE HEARD.

ARE THEY REDESIGNING THE PLAYGROUND? HAS IT BEEN REDESIGNED? IS THERE A TIMELINE WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE FINISHED SO THAT PEOPLE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT'S HAPPENING? SOMEBODY COMPLAINED TO ME THE OTHER DAY ABOUT THE WALK THROUGH FROM CAMBIER PARK OVER TO STARBUCKS.

WHY IS IT THERE'S A GATE THERE? I GUESS IT'S LOCKED UP.

THEY'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY THAT WAS HAPPENING, SO MAYBE WE COULD WORK ON THAT.

LET'S SEE THE OTHER THING. OH, THE OTHER THING I NOTICED IN CAMBIER PARK, AND I'M SURE IT'S EVERYWHERE.

THEY TOOK THE SIGNS, THE CIRCULAR SIGNS OFF THE TRASH CANS STATING IT'S NAPLES, FLORIDA WITH A, YOU KNOW, PICTURE ON IT. I DON'T KNOW, I'M PRETTY MUCH IF I ORDER THE SIGNS AND I TAKE A SIGN OFF, I USUALLY PUT A SIGN BACK ON SO ALL THE SIGNS ARE GONE.

NOBODY'S REPLACED THE SIGNS. SO THAT'S LIKE, I DON'T KNOW.

TO ME, I'M AN ORGANIZED KIND OF PERSON. IF I TOOK A SIGN OFF, I WOULD PUT A SIGN BACK UP.

JUST SAYING. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE, THEY DON'T LIKE THE WOOD CHIPS IN CAMBIER PARK.

IF THERE'S SOMEHOW THAT WE COULD GO EVEN HALF THE PARK BACK TO GRASS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

THOSE WOOD CHIPS ARE DIRTY. THEY HAVE DOG POOP IN THEM.

IT'S NOT GOOD. THERE'S NO WAY TO CLEAN THAT THAT UP.

IT SMELLS. IT'S MOLDY. NOT, NOT. AND IT'S HARD FOR ELDERLY PEOPLE TO WALK THROUGH THAT.

ANYWAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH. APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT TO OUR ATTENTION.

AND ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL, I KNOW SANDRA HAS ALL THE ANSWERS TO THESE QUESTIONS AND WE'LL GET BACK TO YOU.

THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS BRANIMIR BRANKOV, FOLLOWED BY DONNA ADAM.

GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, MADAM MAYOR. CITY COUNCIL.

IT'S SUCH A PLEASURE TO BE HERE AGAIN IN FRONT OF YOU.

MY NAME IS BRANIMIR BRANKOV. I'M LIVING ON 960 AND SEVEN, AND I'M THE PRESIDENT OF RESPONSIBLE GOVERNMENT NAPLES.

I CAME TODAY TO SPEAK BRIEFLY WITH YOU, JUST TO SHARE WHAT OUR ORGANIZATION DID IN PREPARATION OF THE APPOINTMENT OF THE NEW GROUP OF BOARD OF DIRECTORS, MEMBERS FOR THE AIRPORT. WE REALLY INVESTED A LOT OF TIME AND EFFORT, AS YOU KNOW, IN THE RECENT

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AND I THINK WE ACCOMPLISH THIS GOAL BY MAKING THE SURVEY WITH THE RESULTS ABOUT THE THE SUPPORT FOR THE AIRPORT POPULAR.

BUT ALSO WE STARTED OUR OWN PETITION, WHICH WAS SIGNED BY HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ON OUR WEBSITE, IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE IT THERE. AND I THINK THAT WE WANTED TO BRING THIS TO YOUR ATTENTION, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR TO YOU THAT THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO ARE SUPPORTING THE AIRPORT, IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, IN THE AVIATION COMMUNITY, AND JUST THE PUBLIC.

THE SECOND THING THAT WE TRY TO DO IS TO ENGAGE DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS WITH PROFESSIONAL SKILLS.

AND YOU HEARD ONE OF THEM TODAY TO DEVELOP A CANDIDATE PROFILE AND TO BRING TO YOU THEIR PERSPECTIVE, BROAD PERSPECTIVE, PUBLIC PERSPECTIVE OF WHO THE APPROPRIATE CANDIDATES FOR THESE POSITIONS IN THE FUTURE.

AND I THINK THIS WAS ANOTHER VERY GREAT IDEA, BECAUSE IN THIS WAY, YOU CAN HEAR THE PUBLIC PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT IS THE EXPECTATIONS, AND THERE IS NO HOPEFULLY ANY MORE WAY FOR RANDOM APPOINTMENT OF POLITICALLY SELECTED PEOPLE FOR THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

AND WE ARE ALL SEEING WHAT HAPPENED RECENTLY WITH DISAPPOINTMENTS IN THE DECISION MADE THERE.

THE THIRD THING THAT WE DID, WE CONNECTED WITH DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS BECAUSE WE WANT TO BUILD A PLATFORM, A PLATFORM FOR EXCHANGING OPINIONS AND COMMUNICATION OF THE OPINION OF THE BROADER PUBLIC.

SO HOPEFULLY THIS WILL HELP YOU IN YOUR SELECTION PROCESS, AND YOU'RE GOING TO PICK UP THE RIGHT PEOPLE FOR THE RIGHT PURPOSE.

AS A RESPONSIBLE GOVERNMENT, THE ORGANIZATION WHICH IS GOING TO FOCUS ON DIFFERENT TOPICS.

SO I WANTED TO BRING ANOTHER TOPIC TO YOUR ATTENTION TODAY, WHICH WE ARE GOING TO START DISCUSSING WITH YOU IN THE FUTURE.

AND THIS IS BAYVIEW PARK, BAYVIEW PARK AND THE ATTACHED DANFORTH STREET, HALF OF IT, IT BELONGS TO THE CITY OF NAPLES.

IT IS WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS. IT IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF COMPLETE ABUNDANCE OF THE OF THE RESPONSIBILITIES AND THE WAY HOW THE PARK IS MANAGED AND WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE. IN VIOLATION OF ALL ORDINANCES AND LOCAL LEGISLATIONS AND MOST IMPORTANT, EVERYTHING THAT YOU ARE STANDING FOR, FOR KEEPING THE QUALITY OF LIFE OF THE PEOPLE IS VIOLATED THERE AND THE LOCAL COMMUNITY IS SUFFERING A LOT.

SO IN THE FUTURE, IF YOU GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY, WE WILL COME TO PRESENT A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILS FOR YOU, AND WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD TO CONTINUE OUR COLLABORATION AND TO EXCHANGE OPINIONS AND HOPEFULLY WILL HELP YOU IN YOUR FUTURE DECISIONS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU.

OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS DONNA ADAM. GOOD MORNING.

GOOD MORNING. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. MY NAME IS DONNA ADAM.

I'M IN ZIP CODE 34102. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO CONGRATULATE NAPLES POLICE DEPARTMENT ON THEIR 100TH YEARS AND COMMEND THEM FOR THE DO THE RIGHT THING INITIATIVE. THE REASON WHY I'M HERE TODAY IS BECAUSE I SAW ON NAPLES PRIDE'S WEBSITE THAT THEY ARE ADVERTISING TICKET SALES FOR AN EVENT IN CAMBRIA PARK ON SATURDAY, APRIL 18TH. I'M NOT REQUESTING ANSWERS FROM COUNCIL.

I JUST WANTED TO BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO THE FOLLOWING ITEMS ONE.

I DON'T SEE NAPLES PRIDE ON THE CALENDAR. SO DID CHAD MERRITT, THE DIRECTOR OF PARKS, APPROVE OF THE NAPLES PRIDE EVENT IN CAMBRIA PARK WITHOUT APPROVAL FROM COUNCIL? IF NOT, THEN WHY ARE THEY PROMOTING TICKETS ON THEIR WEBSITE? IF SO, THEN WHY ARE NAPLES PRIDE EVENTS NO LONGER GOING THROUGH THE COUNCIL'S APPROVAL PROCESS? TWO IS COUNCIL AND THE CITY'S ATTORNEY AWARE THAT NAPLES PRIDE'S FLORIDA CHARITY REGISTRATION NUMBER IS SUSPENDED? I PRINTED OUT A COPY WITH A TIME AND DATE STAMP FOR COUNCILMAN KRISEMAN SINCE THE LAST TIME I MENTIONED THEIR SUSPENSION, HE ACCUSED THE GROUP I WAS WITH OF LYING. I'LL LEAVE THE PRINTOUT WITH THE CITY CLERK.

I'LL REFER TO THE CITY'S LAWYER TO CONFIRM. BUT FROM WHAT I READ ONLINE, A SUSPENDED REGISTRATION PROHIBITS THE ORGANIZATION FROM SOLICITING DONATIONS IN OR FROM FLORIDA BY ANY MEANS. CONTRIBUTING TO CONTINUING TO SOLICIT DURING SUSPENSION VIOLATES FLORIDA STATUTE 406.415.

IS THE CITY'S ATTORNEY AWARE OF NAPLES PRIDES VIOLATION? WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR CHECKING A CHARITY STANDING BEFORE EVENT APPLICATIONS ARE APPROVED, AND AGAIN BEFORE AN EVENT? THREE. ONE CAN ARGUE THAT BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER, BUT AT THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON NOVEMBER 5TH REGARDING THE AGENDA ITEM ON PARKS, PLAYGROUND, COUNCIL AND CITIZENS ALL AGREED THAT A BRIGHT COLORED AND PLASTIC PLAYGROUND WAS NOT BEAUTIFUL OR REFLECTIVE OF THE CHARACTER OF NAPLES.

I EVEN SAW NAPLES PRIDES LAWYER KYLE HANSEN IN ATTENDANCE, EMPHASIZING THE PLAYGROUND SHOULD BE A NATURAL AND SAFE SPACE FOR CHILDREN.

ALSO DURING THE COUNCIL MEETING, I LEARNED A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT NAPLES HISTORY.

SO TO COINCIDE WITH TODAY'S DO THE RIGHT THING THEME, I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE MAYOR FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING AND HELPING TO BUILD A

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I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO COMMEND VICE MAYOR HUTCHINSON AND COUNCILMAN KRAMER FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING AND HAVING THE WISDOM AND LEADERSHIP TO SAY NO TO NOT ONLY NAPLES PRIDE'S OUTDOOR DIRECT PERFORMANCE, BUT TO THEIR EVENT THIS PAST JUNE.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS TO FOLLOW THEIR LEAD AND DO THE RIGHT THING IF NAPLES SHOULD SUBMIT AN APPLICATION FOR 2026.

LASTLY, IF WE ARE ALL FOR HOME RULE, THEN HOME, THEN SHOULDN'T HOME RULE ALSO MEAN NOT ALLOWING A FEDERAL COURT IN FORT MYERS TO TELL US WHAT EVENTS OUR COUNCIL SHOULD AND SHOULD NOT APPROVE IN OUR PARKS? IF WE ARE ALL FOR KEEPING CHILDREN SAFE, THEN SHOULDN'T KEEPING CHILDREN SAFE ALSO MEAN NOT ALLOWING NAPLES PRIDE AROUND CHILDREN, AS THEY HAVE SHOWN FROM THEIR OBSCENE AND LEWD EVENTS AND TRANS TEEN MEETUPS THAT THEIR MOTIVES ARE NOT GOOD.

WE SHOULD STEER CHILDREN TO DO THE RIGHT THINGS.

TEACH THEM WHAT IS TRUE, BEAUTIFUL AND GOOD. NOT ALLOW THEM TO FALL PREY TO AN IDEOLOGY THAT CONFUSES THEM ABOUT GENDER, OR ENCOURAGES THEM TO MUTILATE THEIR BODIES. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC.

I MOVING TO APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. COUNCIL MOVE.

[APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA]

ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNED BY. AYE. OPPOSED. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL. THAT TAKES US TO PUBLIC HEARINGS AT NINE.

THERE AREN'T ANY ITEMS PULLED FROM THE CONSENT.

NONE. TEN. SO, GOING TO BOARDS AND COMMITTEES.

[11.A) Consider Recommending Fred Sasser to the Metropolitan Planning Organization (MPO) Citizens Advisory Committee (CAC).]

THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS 11 A, AND THAT IS TO CONSIDER RECOMMENDING FRED CAESAR TO SERVE ANOTHER TERM ON THE METROPOLITAN PLANNING ORGANIZATION CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE.

AS YOU KNOW, THERE ARE TWO ALLOCATED SEATS FOR CITY OF NAPLES REPRESENTATIVES.

ONE OF THOSE IS HELD BY FRED CAESAR AND HIS TERM WILL EXPIRE JANUARY 17TH OF 2026.

MR. CAESAR HAS SERVED TWO TERMS AND HE IS ELIGIBLE FOR ANOTHER TERM.

NO OTHER APPLICATIONS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED ACCORDING TO THE BYLAWS OF THE CAC.

NOMINATIONS FOR CAC MEMBERS ARE RECOMMENDED BY THE CORRESPONDING MPO MEMBER AND RATIFIED BY THE MPO BOARD.

COUNCIL MEMBER, AS THE CORRESPONDING MPO MEMBER, HAS RECOMMENDED.

APPOINTMENT. REAPPOINTMENT OF MR. CAESAR. HIS APPLICATION AND RESUME ARE IN YOUR PACKETS TODAY.

IF THE RECOMMENDATION IS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL TODAY, WE WILL PRESENT THAT TO THE MPO FOR ITS BOARD MEETING ON DECEMBER 11TH FOR HIS REAPPOINTMENT. AND AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO INVITE MR. CAESAR UP TO THE PODIUM, AND HE CAN PROVIDE YOU WITH A SHORT UPDATE IN A FEW WORDS ON HIS CURRENT POSITION WITH MPO.

MR. CAESAR, IF YOU'D LIKE TO GO OVER THAT. GOOD MORNING.

FRED SASSER, THREE THREE, THREE SEVENTH AVENUE SOUTH, NAPLES.

I DO APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO STAND FOR REAPPOINTMENT TO THE CAC AT THE MPO AND TRY TO PROVIDE SOME ADVICE AND SERVICE AND OVERSIGHT AS WE TRY TO KEEP UP WITH THE GROWTH GOING ON IN THIS COUNTY, IN THIS CITY, FOR TRANSPORTATION. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS OR.

FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE? COUNCIL MEMBER PETROFF.

I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP AGAIN FOR THIS VOLUNTARY POSITION.

I THINK YOU HAD A LOT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT.

I MEAN, I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION. I JUST LIKE TO THANK MR. SASSER FOR RUNNING AGAIN AS WELL. THANK YOU, FRED, FOR ALL YOUR SERVICE AND YOUR GOOD, GOOD COUNSEL.

THANK YOU. MOTION. IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO HELP YOU ALONG JUST HERE FOR THE MOTION, IT WOULD BE TO RECOMMEND MR. SASSER BE REAPPOINTED TO THE MPO CC.

AND IT'S NOT YOUR. IT'S NOT YOUR APPOINTMENT.

IT'S JUST A RECOMMENDATION. I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. OKAY. I WOULD RECOMMEND FOR APPOINTMENT OF THE MPO CAC.

FRED SASSER. SECOND, I HAVE A RECOMMENDATION MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER PETRANOFF AND A SECOND BY VICE MAYOR.

ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNED BY I, I OPPOSED THANK YOU.

COUNCIL. THANK YOU MR.. THANK YOU FRED. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU.

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[11.B) Consider Appointing Two Commissioners to the Naples Airport Authority.  ]

AND THE AGENDA MEMO SINCE IT WAS WRITTEN BEFORE WE HAD ONE PERSON WITHDRAW, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WE HAVE NINE APPLICANTS.

PETER WHITEHORN HAS PULLED HIS APPLICATION, AND THE REMAINING NINE APPLICANTS ARE RALPH ALBERTO, JOHN ALLEN, MICHELE ARNOLD, JOHN CROSS, MICHAEL JOYCE, CRAIG KOBZA, MICHAEL MCCABE, GREG MELANSON AND MICHAEL SHUMAN.

AND I HAVE BALLOTS PREPARED FOR THE COUNCIL AND I CAN PASS THOSE OUT.

BUT AT THIS TIME, IT'S ALWAYS THE COUNCIL'S DIRECTION THAT YOU DISCUSS THE APPLICANTS.

MAYOR, IF I MAY. YES. JUST BECAUSE MR. MCCONNELL.

THANK YOU. BECAUSE THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS.

COME UP. AND THANK YOU FOR THE INTRODUCTION, MADAM CLERK. ON MONDAY, THERE WERE SOME CONVERSATION REGARDING THE METHOD OF OF SELECTING THE NA MEMBERS. AND I MADE TWO OPINIONS, ONE OF WHICH I NEED TO CLARIFY BECAUSE IT CAME TO MY ATTENTION YESTERDAY AROUND 1:57 P.M., THAT THE RANKED ORDER BALLOT RANKING IS ACTUALLY SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN ADOPTED BY RESOLUTION OF A COUNCIL FIVE YEARS AGO. MAY 5TH, 2020. SO THAT IS THE CURRENT PROCESS IN PLACE, NOT JUST FOR YOUR BOARDS AND COMMITTEES, BUT IT ACTUALLY SPECIFICALLY INCLUDES THE APPOINTMENT OF THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY.

SO I WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BECAUSE THERE WAS QUESTIONS ON WHETHER OR NOT THE PROCESS COULD CHANGE AND WITH THIS RESOLUTION BEING IN EFFECT UNLESS SOMETHING CHANGES TODAY, THEN THIS IS THE PROCESS THAT WE WILL FOLLOW.

BUT MY SECOND OPINION WAS RELATED TO ARE WE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE SECTION THREE, THE APPOINTMENT OF THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY ACT.

AND MY OPINION I WILL DOUBLE DOWN ON BECAUSE ALTHOUGH YOU USE THIS RANKED ORDER BALLOT RANKING, IT IS COUPLED WITH A MOTION AT THE END THAT YOU ALL APPROVE.

THAT'S AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF AT LEAST FOUR OF YOU MAJORITY OF THE TIME, A UNANIMOUS VOTE OF ALL SEVEN OF YOU CERTIFYING AND APPOINTING THAT PERSON FOR THE TERM IN WHICH THEY ARE GOING TO SERVE. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THOSE TWO THINGS, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP.

HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS, BUT THIS RESOLUTION WAS CIRCULATED TO YOU ALL AROUND 4:00 YESTERDAY.

AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BEFORE WE WENT ANY FURTHER.

OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER AND THEN VICE MAYOR CRAMER.

DID I MISREAD THAT THERE WAS THAT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESCIND THE WAY THAT THIS RANKED ORDER VOTING.

IS THERE A WAY DID I MISUNDERSTAND MISUNDERSTAND WHAT YOU SAID? NO, I THINK THERE IS AN ABILITY IT IS A RESOLUTION.

I THINK COUNCIL ALWAYS HAS THE ABILITY TO EITHER RESCIND OR MAKE A MOTION TO DIRECT SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

IF THAT WAS THE WILL OF COUNCIL, OBVIOUSLY THERE WOULD NEED TO BE A MOTION, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, AS WE SIT HERE AT 914 THERE IS A PROCESS IN PLACE THAT THE COUNCIL HAS APPROVED FIVE YEARS AGO. SO IF THAT PROCESS WERE TO CHANGE, WE COULD GET INTO THAT CONVERSATION.

SO THAT THAT IS A POSSIBILITY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.

ALL RIGHT. GIVEN THAT, THEN IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE TAKE A LOOK AT RANK ORDER VOTING, AND IT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION THAT WE RESCIND THAT PARTICULAR METHODOLOGY THAT WE'VE HAD HERE TO FOR.

I WOULD SECOND THAT. OKAY. MADAM MAYOR. YES, I HAVE VICE MAYOR CRAMER AND THEN BARTON.

THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. MR. MCCONNELL.

SO FOR THE PUBLIC AND EVERYONE ELSE, JUST TO RECAP OUR DISCUSSION, OUR WHEN I SAY OUR CITY COUNCIL'S DISCUSSION ON MONDAY, NOVEMBER 17TH, THAT WAS THIS WEEK. THE DISCUSSION CONCERNING THE CONSISTENCY OF RANK ORDERED BALLOT RANKING CONSISTENCY WITH THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY ACT.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE, IS THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT RANK ORDERED BALLOT RANKING OF CANDIDATES, APPLICANTS. IS IT CONSISTENT WITH THE LAW?

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OKAY, SO THAT'S A YES. YOU'RE SAYING THAT IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE LAW.

WE CAN USE RANK ORDERED BALLOT RANKING AS WE MOVE TOWARD APPOINTING, IN THIS CASE, TWO CANDIDATES. AND I BELIEVE BEFORE US TODAY IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO APPOINT A CANDIDATE, AN APPLICANT FOR A NOVEMBER THAT WOULD FULFILL TWO SEPARATE APPOINTMENT OPPORTUNITIES, ONE IN NOVEMBER AND THEN ONE IN DECEMBER.

OKAY. AS WE RANK THESE CANDIDATES, IF WE RANK THEM FOR THE FIRST TIME AND FOR THE FIRST VOTE, IS IT IMPORTANT FOR US TO SEPARATE ONE VOTE FOR NOVEMBER, A SECOND VOTE AND A SECOND RANKING FOR DECEMBER? OR DO WE RANK ONE TIME? AND WHATEVER THE RANKINGS ARE, THE FIRST AND THE SECOND THAT CAN APPLY TO BOTH APPOINTMENTS. SO JUST GOING OFF OF WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST, THERE'S ALWAYS ONLY EVER BEEN ONE RANKING.

EVEN IF THERE'S MULTIPLE SLOTS TO FILL HOWEVER.

SHOULD YOU WISH AS A COUNCIL TO USE THE RANK ORDER BALLOT RANKING, YOU COULD RANK THEM TWICE.

I THINK THAT'S THAT'S AN OPTION. BUT REGARDLESS, THERE WILL BE TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE PEOPLE SERVING TWO SEPARATE TERMS. OKAY. AND IF THE IF IT'S THE WILL OF COUNCIL THAT THE RESOLUTION AND IT'S NOT AN ORDINANCE, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, THIS RANK ORDERED BALLOT RANKING IS NOT AN ORDINANCE.

IT'S A RESOLUTION. BUT IF IT'S THE WILL OF COUNCIL TO RESCIND THAT RESOLUTION.

WHAT IS THE PROCESS FOR MOVING FORWARD WORD AFTER THAT'S RESCINDED.

WOULD THERE BE A WOULD THERE BE A WOULD THERE BE AN APPOINTMENT TODAY? IN THE ABSENCE OF THAT RESOLUTION, IF IT WAS RESCINDED? I THINK AGAIN, THAT'S UP TO COUNCIL, BUT THERE ABSOLUTELY COULD BE AN APPOINTMENT TODAY. I THINK WHAT THE RESOLUTION DOES IS REQUIRE YOU DO IT A CERTAIN WAY.

YEAH. IF THE RESOLUTION WERE RESCINDED, YOU WOULD HAVE FLEXIBILITY ON HANDLING IT POTENTIALLY A DIFFERENT WAY.

HOWEVER, I'M HAPPY YOU BROUGHT IT UP. WE CURRENTLY SIT HERE RIGHT NOW WITH THE PROCESS.

WHAT I WHAT I'M TRYING TO AVOID AND WHAT I THINK YOU ALL ARE TRYING TO AVOID AS WELL, IS JUST RESCINDING THIS AND THEN DISCUSSING WHAT THAT PROCESS SHOULD BE FOR THE NEXT TWO HOURS. SO I'VE WORKED WITH THE CHARTER OFFICERS, AND WE CAME UP WITH WHAT WE BELIEVE IS AN EQUITABLE, ORGANIZED PROCESS THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST SHOULD COUNCIL DECIDE TO RESCIND.

HOWEVER, I WOULD PREFER THAT WE AGREE ON THAT BEFORE RESCINDING TO AVOID ANY CONFUSION ON HOW WE DO THIS. COULD YOU COULD YOU DESCRIBE WHAT THAT PROCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE EVENT OF A RESCINDED ORDINANCE? HAPPILY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ASKING. SO THE PROCESS WE DISCUSSED, AND IT WOULD BE IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER, IS OBVIOUSLY THERE WOULD BE DISCUSSION, LIKE MADAM CLERK SUGGESTED ON ON THE INTERVIEWS, BECAUSE AS A COUNCIL, YOU HAVE NOT DISCUSSED THIS YET. ALL YOU DID WAS HAVE THE INTERVIEWS, BUT THE SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT DURING THAT DISCUSSION EACH OF YOU WOULD IDENTIFY, AGAIN, IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER YOUR TOP THREE BASED ON QUALIFICATIONS, BASED ON RESUMES, BASED ON THE INTERVIEW QUESTIONS THAT YOU HEARD.

WE WOULD ESSENTIALLY TAKE NOTES OF THAT. THERE ARE BALLOTS OVER HERE THAT MADAM CLERK WOULD FILL OUT FOR THOSE THREE, AND WE WOULD DETERMINE IF THERE WAS CONSISTENCY IN NAMES ACROSS THE BOARD.

AND AT THAT POINT, IF THERE WAS CONSISTENCY AND THERE WAS A MAJORITY OF YOU THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, NAMED ONE PERSON OR TWO PEOPLE, THEN THE VOTE AT THAT POINT, FILLING THE SEATS WOULD, WOULD KIND OF HANDLE ITSELF.

SO THAT THAT IS A PROCESS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

WE THINK THREE IS THE NUMBER. I THINK IF YOU LIMIT YOURSELF TO 1 OR 2, YOU'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.

SO THAT IS THE PROCESS THAT WE DISCUSSED, AND THAT IS THE ORGANIZED PROCESS THAT I AM SUGGESTING WE USE SHOULD THIS RESOLUTION BE RESCINDED.

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SO THAT PROCESS YOU JUST DESCRIBED, IF IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, IDENTIFYING THREE OF THE APPLICANTS, THE CANDIDATES, WE KNOW THAT, AS WE DISCUSSED EARLIER, THERE WOULD BE ONE VOTE FOR THE NOVEMBER APPOINTMENT AND AS WE JUST HAD THAT DESCRIPTION, THERE WOULD BE TOP THE TOP THREE IDENTIFIED BY EACH OF THE CITY COUNCILORS IN THE NEXT SUBSEQUENT APPOINTMENT. SO THE APPOINTMENT THAT WOULD APPLY IN DECEMBER SO THAT WE'RE NOT DISENFRANCHIZING ANY OF THE REMAINING EIGHT CANDIDATES BECAUSE ONE WOULD HAVE BEEN CHOSEN IN THE FIRST ROUND.

WOULD WE THEN AGAIN IDENTIFY OUR TOP THREE OF THE REMAINING EIGHT, SO THAT EVERY CANDIDATE IS GIVEN A FAIR SHOT AT THE APPOINTMENT? AND I THINK ONCE WE GET THERE, IF WE GET THERE, YOU CAN.

BUT I WANT TO ALSO MENTION THE FACT THAT IF WE GO THROUGH THIS EXERCISE, THERE ACTUALLY MAY BE TWO NAMES THAT COME UP THROUGH YOUR FIRST THREE, AND THEN BOTH SPOTS ARE FILLED WITHOUT HAVING TO GET TO THE STEP THAT YOU.

JUST. SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT. I'M OKAY WITH YOU ALL DISCUSSING ALL THE CANDIDATES.

YEAH. IDENTIFYING A TOP THREE. NOT YOUR TOP. IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER.

YEP. AND THEN SEEING WHERE THE CHIPS FALL. AND IF WE HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN, THEN WE CAN.

BUT WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN, REGARDLESS OF WHAT PROCESS WE FOLLOW, IS AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE, WHICH MEANS THERE NEEDS TO BE A MOTION APPOINTING SOMEONE FOR THE SPECIFIC TERM. AND AT LEAST FOUR OF YOU NEED TO SAY, NEED TO APPROVE THAT MOTION.

MADAM MAYOR, THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. THANK YOU.

THIS QUESTION IS FOR CITY ATTORNEY. SO IF WE RESCIND THIS IT THAT WOULD APPLY FOR ALL APPOINTMENTS.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. AND THEN A LITTLE JUST HISTORY MAYBE FROM OUR.

I'M TRYING TO GET THIS STRAIGHT. FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE SITTING HERE WERE PART OF A COUNCIL FIVE YEARS AGO THAT DECIDED THE RANKED CHOICE WAS THE WAY TO DO IT. IS THAT THE CASE HISTORICALLY BASED ON THE ADOPTION OF IT? YEAH. AND THEN ONE OF THOSE FOUR PEOPLE DECIDED TWO DAYS AGO THAT ALL OF A SUDDEN IT'S A PROBLEM.

THAT'S THE FIRST I'D HEARD OF IT. SO MY QUESTION, WHICH I'M NOT INTERROGATING ANYONE FOR, MY RHETORICAL QUESTION, IS WHAT'S THE EMERGENCY? LIKE, IS THERE AN EMERGENCY ALL OF A SUDDEN? WE'VE BEEN DOING IT THIS WAY. FOR HOW LONG? AND THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE UP HERE DECIDED TO DO IT THAT WAY.

NO, THAT WAS IN 2020. I THOUGHT IT WAS FIVE YEARS AGO.

CORRECT. OKAY. 2020, WHO WAS ON THREE PEOPLE? NO. I WASN'T EITHER. THANKS. MAYBE I'M JUST ASKING THE HISTORY.

I'M HAPPY TO TALK TO THE HISTORY WHEN IT'S MY TURN.

SO I WAS HERE. I'M HAPPY. I'M HAPPY WHEN IT'S MY TURN TO ASK A QUESTION.

BUT REGARDLESS OF ALL THAT, THE POINT IS WE'VE BEEN DOING IT THIS WAY.

AND THEN A FEW PEOPLE AGAIN. THIS IS KNEE JERK.

JUST LIKE WE STOPPED SOUTH GOLF. LIKE HERE WE ARE GETTING READY TO DO IT.

AND THEN. AT THE 11TH HOUR. AND I UNDERSTAND THERE'S TIMES FOR THIS THAT THERE ARE EMERGENCIES THAT HAPPEN IN LIFE. THIS IS NOT AN EMERGENCY.

THIS AFFECTS ALL THE APPOINTMENTS OF ALL THE BOARDS AND COMMITTEES. ALSO A VERY THIS IS A VERY CONTENTIOUS COMBUSTIBLE THING RIGHT NOW.

IT'S GOING TO THE OPTICS ARE TERRIBLE RIGHT NOW FOR PEOPLE TO THINK THIS THING WAS RIGGED LAST TIME.

I'M JUST TELLING YOU, TERRIBLE. IF YOU HAD FAITH IN THE PROCESS LAST TIME, WE SHOULD HAVE FAITH IN THE PROCESS THIS TIME.

THE IMPETUS FOR THE THE ANXIETY AROUND THIS IS BECAUSE A LOT OF FOLKS AND I MENTIONED IT YESTERDAY, OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVE WHO'S FILING A BILL TO TAKE OVER THIS PROCESS, PART OF THE IMPETUS FOR THAT, ACCORDING TO HIM, WHEN I SPOKE TO HIM ON THE PHONE, IS THE CHOICES THAT WERE MADE, NOT THE PROCESS.

AND THEN WITH THE PROCESS, IT'S THE DECISION MAKING OF THIS BODY.

AND I'LL SAY THIS TO ANYBODY LISTENING, I DON'T CARE WHAT SYSTEM YOU COME UP WITH.

IF FOUR OF US GET TOGETHER OUTSIDE OR HOWEVER WE DO IT, HAVE FRIENDS CALL FRIENDS.

HOWEVER, THAT MACHINATION WOULD WORK AND WANT TO DO SOMETHING OUTSIDE OF THE SUNSHINE.

WE CAN DO IT. THEY CAN RIG IT HOWEVER THEY WANT TO RIG IT.

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ALSO, THE HAVING DONE COLLECTIVE NEEDS ASSESSMENTS AND I DID A LOT OF STUFF IN CONSULTING WITH TRYING TO BUILD CONSENSUS.

THE REASON YOU DO RANKED CHOICE IS SO THAT THERE'S NO EXPOSURE IN ADVANCE.

YOU CAN TALK ABOUT YOUR THOUGHTS ON PEOPLE OR WHATEVER, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO GET UP HERE AND GO RIGHT TO LEFT AND LAY OUR CARDS ON THE TABLE, THEN IN THE EVENT THAT PEOPLE ARE ADAMANTLY OPPOSED TO WHOMEVER, EVEN THOUGH THEY MAY BE QUALIFIED, THAT IMMEDIATELY CAN CHANGE THEIR THOUGHT PROCESS OF WHAT THE ODDS ARE AND WHO WE COULD GET IN THAT MAYBE ISN'T QUITE AS POLARIZED AS I THINK.

SO THE NOTION OF RANKED CHOICE AND IT DIDN'T HAPPEN LAST TIME BECAUSE WE HAD SOMEONE TURN IN A BALLOT, THEN RECEIVED THE BALLOT BACK AFTER THE AGGREGATE HAD BEEN SHOWN. SO THAT WAS WHATEVER THAT WAS. BUT THE NOTION OF RANKED CHOICE IS THAT THE THE SELECTIONS ARE CHOSEN WITHOUT ANYONE ELSE KNOWING ABOUT THOSE SELECTIONS. AND SO THAT'S SUPPOSED TO GIVE AN IMPARTIAL PROCESS WITH LESS BIAS.

JUST BE CLEAR ABOUT WHY THAT PROCESS EXISTS. I'M GOING TO BE ADAMANT WITH MY COLLEAGUES.

PLEASE DO NOT, AT THE 11TH HOUR, COME TRY TO CHANGE SOMETHING THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING HAPPILY FOR FIVE YEARS, AND THAT THIS BODY DECIDED TO DO IT WAS NOT IMPOSED UPON US AND THAT OUR LEGAL, OUR COUNSEL SAYS, IS PERFECTLY LEGITIMATE TO RIGHT NOW, BEFORE THIS VOTE, SAY, HEY, WE WANT TO CHANGE STUFF.

THAT'S THAT IS BAD GOVERNANCE IN MY VIEW. THANK YOU.

IF I, IF I COULD SPEAK, PLEASE. COUNCILMAN. I'M VERY SORRY THAT YOU THINK THAT I'M HYSTERICAL.

THERE'S NOTHING HYSTERICAL ABOUT THIS AT ALL.

WHAT I WAS INTERESTED IN DOING WAS DISCUSSING OUR OPTIONS, AND THAT'S THE ONLY REASON I BROUGHT IT TO THE FLOOR.

IT IS NOT A DEMAND THING. WE HAVE AN OPTION HERE.

IT'S WORTHY OF SOME DISCUSSION. AND I APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME DISCUSSION.

SO THAT WAS MY SOLE PURPOSE. AND IF YOU HEARD HYSTERICAL, I DID NOT.

I DON'T THINK I USED THAT WORD. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S BEING HYSTERICAL.

I'M SAYING THERE'S NOT AN EMERGENCY AND WE SHOULD NOT TREAT THIS LIKE.

NOR DID I THINK THERE WAS. I AM BEING TREATED AS AN AS A DISCUSSION, AN OPTION FOR DISCUSSION.

PERIOD. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR REMARKS I HONESTLY DO.

AND PERHAPS IN ALL FAIRNESS TO EVERYONE, THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A PREAMBLE TO WHAT I HAD TO SAY, WHICH WAS THERE'S AN OPTION HERE. WOULD IT BE ALL RIGHT IF WE DISCUSSED IT? AND I YOU KNOW, YOUR CRITICISM IN THAT REGARD IS WELL TAKEN.

THANK YOU. NOTHING BUT RESPECT FOR YOU KNOW THAT. YEAH.

COUNCILMAN. KRAMER, I THOUGHT ON MONDAY MY INTERPRETATION FROM YOU WAS THAT THAT YOU DIDN'T LIKE THE RANKING SYSTEM BECAUSE SOMEBODY HAS TO BE LAST, AND I DON'T I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK AND FORTH.

NO, MA'AM. THERE'S NO ONE LAST IN THE RING. THAT'S THE WHOLE IDEA. OH, YOU MEAN IN TERMS OF THE EXPOSURE OF WHO YOU VOTED FOR LAST? NO, I NEVER SAID THAT.

I THINK THAT'S VALID. THAT THAT'S WHAT THAT REALLY SHINES A LIGHT AND AMPLIFIES THE PROCESS WHEN YOU CAN SEE WHO THE WORST CHOICE WAS.

AND WHICH IS WHY WHEN I NOT NOT THE WORST, THE WORST, IT CAN ALL BE GOOD CHOICES, BUT THE WORST OF THE GOOD CHOICES.

YES, WELL, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. I WOULD CLARIFY IT AS THE CANDIDATE OF NOT THE CHOICE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBER, NOT THE WORST CHOICE. OKAY. AND THE COUNT? YES, IN MY VIEW.

WHICH IS WHY WHEN WE DID IT THE LAST TIME, IF YOU REMEMBER THIS, WE HAD A GUY THAT GOT NOMINATED THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN WAS ON A BOARD AND WE HAD RECENTLY SAID WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY ON TWO BOARDS UNLESS IT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, AND THEN VOTED THIS GUY LIKE WITHIN 2 OR 3 WEEKS, VOTED A GUY ONTO TWO BOARDS AND THAT WOULD DISQUALIFIED HIM, IN MY VIEW, BECAUSE WE HAD CONSENSUS THAT WE DIDN'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.

AND I FELT LIKE IF I'M GOING TO BE AUTHENTIC AND THE CONSENSUS OF THE WILL OF THE BOARD, THAT I WOULDN'T SAY THAT'S OKAY.

SO I THINK THERE THERE ARE VALID REASONS NOT TO APPROVE, FOLKS, AND I THINK THOSE SHOULD BE ENUMERATED.

IF THAT'S THE CASE, ESPECIALLY SOMEONE WHO'S QUALIFIED, THERE'S SOMEBODY QUALIFIED AND YOU'RE LIKE, NAH, HE CAN'T BECAUSE OF WHATEVER REASON. IN MY CASE, IT WAS WE DIDN'T WANT PEOPLE ON TWO BOARDS.

AND I THINK IT'S I THINK THAT'S IT'S GREAT TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT AND FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO SEE THAT.

I JUST BROKE MY OWN RULE IN TRYING TO ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT SOMETHING, AND I DON'T WANT TO GET BACK.

NO. IT'S OKAY. I WANT TO DEBATE ABOUT THIS PROCESS.

SO THANK YOU. I HAVE BARTON. PRIMARILY WHAT I WANTED TO SAY WAS, FROM A PROCEDURAL STANDPOINT WHATEVER THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL IS HERE IN REFERENCE TO TO CHANGING OUR PROCESS.

WE NEED TO. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE WE WERE GOING TO DECIDE ON A PROCESS PRIOR TO RESCINDING ANYTHING.

SO THAT WAS PRIMARILY WHAT I WANT TO SAY NOW IN REFERENCE IN REFERENCE TO COUNCILMAN CRAMER'S COMMENTS.

YEAH. THE THE ISSUE HERE AND I AGREE WITH, YOU KNOW, THE OPTICS ARE NOT GREAT.

YOU KNOW, HERE WE ARE IN THE MORNING OF THE VOTE. WE'RE MAYBE CHANGING THE PROCESS OF OF DETERMINING OF HOW WE HOW WE DETERMINE WHO IS GOING TO BE APPOINTED.

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AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT WHAT IS PROMPTING OUR DISCUSSION HERE AT THIS POINT IN TIME IS TO TRY TO POTENTIALLY FIND A METHODOLOGY FOR APPOINTING SOMEONE IN A WAY THAT'S THAT'S POTENTIALLY LESS HAS HAS A LESSER POSSIBILITY OF MANIPULATION.

I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IF THIS SUGGESTION FOR THE CHANGE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS BETTER THAN THE RANKED BECAUSE I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REALLY DIGEST IT AND DO DO MY OWN PERSONAL CALCULUS.

BUT WHAT I CAN SAY IS THAT THE IN MY OPINION, THE LAST TIME WE WENT THROUGH THIS RANKED PROCESS, I FELT IT WAS MANIPULATED. I FELT THAT THAT THERE WAS THERE WAS A METHODOLOGY THAT WAS BEING TAKEN AND IT WAS BEING BASTARDIZED AND WAS NOT BEING USED IN ITS PROPER FASHION.

WHERE, WHERE IF WE WERE REALLY BEING HONEST WITH OURSELVES, WITH EACH OTHER IN RANKING ONE THROUGH 8 OR 1 THROUGH NINE LEGITIMATELY, WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD CERTAIN MEMBERS THAT CERTAIN APPLICANTS AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT LIST.

THAT THAT WERE FOUND AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST. AND THE REASON THEY WERE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST IS BECAUSE THERE WERE THOSE OF US THAT WANTED INDIVIDUALS TO BE FOUND IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, OF THE PACK RATHER THAN THE TOP OF THE PACK.

AND AGAIN, THAT IS JUST SIMPLY THE HONEST ANSWER HERE IS THAT THAT PROCESS CAN BE MANIPULATED IN THAT FASHION.

AND THAT'S THAT'S REALITY. THAT IS THE TRUTH.

AND THAT'S AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE UNDER THE PERCEPTION THAT THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.

SO WITH THAT SAID, I AM MORE THAN HAPPY TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT CHANGING THIS, AND IF IT'S THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL TO DO SO I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

I WILL OBVIOUSLY VOICE MY OPINION FOR OR AGAINST.

BUT AGAIN I THINK WHAT WHERE WE FIND OURSELVES AND THE REASON WE FIND OURSELVES IN THIS, IN THIS SITUATION RIGHT NOW IS BECAUSE THE RANKING SYSTEM.

HAS LEFT A BAD TASTE IN A LOT OF PEOPLE'S MOUTHS.

AND AND THEY FIND THEMSELVES WANTING A DIFFERENT WAY TO GET THIS DONE AGAIN IS THE RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDATION HERE THIS MORNING.

IS THAT THE RIGHT WAY? MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW. AND I'M HAPPY TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT.

COUNCIL MEMBER KIRSTEN. THANK YOU. MAYOR. SO SO LET ME FIRST TALK ABOUT A LITTLE HISTORY FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE QUESTION, TO TRY TO ANSWER THE QUESTION COUNCILMAN CRAMER RAISED AND ANYBODY ELSE WHO WHO MIGHT WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE DID IN 2020 AND WHY WHEN I JOINED COUNCIL IN 2019. AND BY THE WAY, WHEN I JOINED COUNCIL IN 2019 THERE WAS NO ORIENTATION FOR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS ZERO.

AND PROBABLY OTHER MEMBERS BEFORE THAT, THEY CAN SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES.

I PERHAPS BECAUSE I WAS ELECTED IN A SPECIAL ELECTION, WHO KNOWS? BUT, YOU KNOW, TWO WEEKS SHOW UP FOR YOUR FIRST MEETING AND AND SHORTLY THEREAFTER, THERE WAS SOME KIND OF A A.

APPOINTMENT TO AN ADVISORY BOARD, PROBABLY IN MY FIRST TWO MONTHS ON COUNCIL.

AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LITERALLY DRAWING NAMES OUT OF A HAT.

THAT WAS THE PROCESS, LITERALLY DRAWING NAMES OUT OF A HAT AND SORT OF SAYING, OKAY, WE HAVE SEVEN CANDIDATES FOR THIS POSITION, AND THE FIRST ONE THAT GETS FOUR VOTES IS IS GOING TO BE APPOINTED, AND WE'LL DRAW NAMES OUT OF THAT, OUT OF THE HAT. AND HERE'S NAME NUMBER ONE, BILL CRAMER.

WHO'S FOR HIM FOR. PEOPLE SAID YES OKAY BILL YOU'RE ON THE YOU'RE ON THE PAB.

AND THE OTHER SIX PEOPLE NEVER EVEN WERE DISCUSSED.

THAT WAS HOW WE DID IT. IT WAS OBVIOUSLY NOT DESIRABLE.

SO WE SEVERAL OF US SAID, YOU KNOW, LET'S THINK OF A BETTER WAY.

AND WE MOVED AND I DON'T REMEMBER ALL THE DETAILS OF THE CONVERSATION, BUT WE MOVED OVER THAT NEXT YEAR.

AND BY THAT TIME YOU HAD ANOTHER ELECTION, 2020 OTHER NEW MEMBERS OF COUNCIL CAME ON.

AND IN MAY OF 2020, I'VE FORGOTTEN THE EXACT DATE WE APPROVED THE RANKED CHOICE VOTING APPROACH THAT IT WAS BECOMING POPULAR, I WOULD SAY, IN AMERICA AND AMERICAN ELECTORAL POLITICS AT THAT TIME.

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AND THAT'S BECAUSE A NUMBER OF THE THINGS WE DO HERE HAVE BECOME INTENSELY POLITICIZED IN THIS COMMUNITY WITH SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS, WHETHER THEY'RE NEIGHBORHOOD BASED OR THEY'RE INDUSTRY BASED, GETTING INVOLVED.

AND IT'S NOT JUST THE AIRPORT BOARD. I'LL COME BACK TO THAT IN A SECOND, BUT IT'S THE THE PAB APPOINTMENTS HAVE BECOME POLITICIZED AND HAVE SUFFERED FROM SOME OF THE SAME GAMESMANSHIP ON RANKED CHOICE VOTING.

MOST OF OUR OTHER ADVISORY BOARDS, LESS SO OR NOT AT ALL, BECAUSE THERE'S NOT THE SAME POLITICAL INTEREST IN IT.

SO YOU KNOW, I'VE PERSONALLY BEEN MORE AND MORE TROUBLED BY IT, BUT CERTAINLY THE LAST ELECTION FOR THE NA, THE LAST APPOINTMENT FOR THE NA BOARD WAS YOU KNOW A REAL INFLECTION POINT FOR ME AND APPARENTLY FOR A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY.

I'M NOT TRYING TO PAT MYSELF ON THE SHOULDER, BUT I WAS THE ONLY PERSON ON THIS DAIS WHO ATTEMPTED TO RANK THOSE PEOPLE, AS, YOU KNOW WITH, WITH TRYING TO PUT ASIDE A SENSE OF POLITICS AND RANKING PEOPLE BASED ON WHAT I THOUGHT THEIR CAPABILITY AND, AND, AND, AND QUALIFICATIONS WERE SO I DIDN'T DO.

YOU KNOW, HERE'S, HERE'S, HERE'S THE NUMBER ONE CHOICE OF FOUR PEOPLE AND, AND THE OTHER NUMBER ONE CHOICE OF THE OTHER THREE PEOPLE WAS NUMBER 11. I RANKED THE GUY WHO ACTUALLY MADE IT I RANKED NUMBER TWO BECAUSE AT THE TIME, I MAY HAVE SECOND THOUGHTS. NOW, AT THE TIME, I THOUGHT HE WOULD BE A QUALIFIED INDEPENDENT BOARD MEMBER, AND I RANKED MY FIRST CHOICE ALONG WITH SEVERAL OTHERS.

BUT BECAUSE FOUR OTHERS RANKED THAT PERSON NUMBER 11, THE VOTES CAME OUT THE WAY THEY DID, AND IT WAS CLEARLY A POLITICALLY INFLUENCED VOTE.

NOW, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT POLITICAL INFLUENCE, YOU KNOW, LET'S BE HONEST WITH EACH OTHER.

WE'RE ALL CONSTANTLY WE'RE A POLITICAL BODY. WE'RE, YOU KNOW, IN EFFECT, I MEAN, WE'RE MAKING DECISIONS THAT ARE WE'RE POLITICIANS, WE'RE ELECTED OFFICIALS, WE'RE POLITICIANS.

WE'RE ALL BEING INFLUENCED CONSTANTLY BY VARIOUS GROUPS AND INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE ATTEMPTING TO INFLUENCE US.

AND NO MATTER WHAT KIND OF A VOTING SYSTEM WE SET UP, THERE'S GOING TO BE POLITICAL INFLUENCE THAT PEOPLE WILL TRY TO APPLY TO US AND AND AND WHEN YOU USE THE WORDS POLITICAL INFLUENCE, IT'S NOT LIKE THAT'S AN ILLEGAL ACTIVITY, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT THE AMERICAN SYSTEM OF DEMOCRACY IS.

IT INVOLVES POLITICS. IT'S NOT A DIRTY WORD. AND BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN YOU CAN GET UPSET WITH HOW PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO APPLY POLITICAL INFLUENCE, AND, AND THE METHODS THEY USE AND WHETHER PEOPLE HERE SITTING ON THIS DAIS ARE ACTUALLY JUST YOU KNOW, GIVING THEIR VOTE AWAY OR THEY'RE TRULY BEING INDEPENDENT AND DOING THE BEST THING FOR THE COMMUNITY.

EVERYBODY HAS THEIR JUDGMENTS ON THAT. BUT I DO THINK THAT THE GAMESMANSHIP THAT HAS BEEN INCREASINGLY APPLIED TO THE RANKED CHOICE VOTING METHOD WE USE IS INCREASED DRAMATICALLY IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, OR RELATIVE TO THE PAB AND THE NA. AND I THINK THE SORT OF SHOCKING DEMONSTRATION OF THAT WITH THE LAST APPOINTMENT OF THE NA MEMBER HAS FOREVER TAINTED THAT PROCESS FOR US. IT'S MADE IT TOXIC.

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NOT MAYBE NOT EVERYBODY. IT'S NEVER EVERYBODY.

BUT A LARGE SEGMENT OF THE COMMUNITY HAS LOST CONFIDENCE IN IT.

AND SO I THINK IT WOULD BE HUGE FOR US TO MOVE TO A DIFFERENT PROCESS, WHICH CAN BE AS SIMPLE AS SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE JUST AGAIN DISCUSS THE CANDIDATES SAY WHO IT IS THAT WE THINK ARE THE BEST CANDIDATES AND SAY WHATEVER WE WANT TO SAY ABOUT THEM OR ANYTHING ELSE. AND AT SOME POINT HAVE A VOTE AND SEE IF WE CAN GIVE SOMEBODY FOUR VOTES OR MORE. AND I KNOW SOME OF US WILL PROBABLY BE HAPPY AND SOME WON'T BE UNHAPPY WITH THAT RESULT.

BECAUSE WE'RE IN A UNFORTUNATELY, WE DON'T HAVE THERE'S A LOT OF DIVISION ON THIS ISSUE AROUND THE AIRPORT AND A LOT OF CONTENTION AND DIFFERENT POINTS OF VIEW.

BUT I THINK IT WOULD LIKELY BE MORE BE MORE TRANSPARENT AND GIVE US A RESULT THAT EVEN IF NOTWITHSTANDING SOME SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF PEOPLE EITHER WAY ARE GOING TO BE UNHAPPY WITH IT, WILL WILL AT LEAST PEOPLE WILL FEEL IT WAS A MORE STRAIGHTFORWARD KIND OF A PROCESS THAN THE RANKED CHOICE VOTING. AND I WAS AS I HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT CHANGING THE SYSTEM UNTIL COUNCILWOMAN PETRANOFF RAISED IT ON ON MONDAY, AND I APPRECIATE HER RAISING IT UP AND, AND AND I AND I HAD FORGOTTEN COMPLETELY THAT WE HAD ADOPTED IT AS A RESOLUTION.

I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHY WE DID IT, FRANKLY, AS A RESOLUTION, BUT WE DID.

BUT MR. MCCONNELL HAS SAID THAT WE CERTAINLY CAN RESCIND IT IF WE WISH TO, AND THEN SIMPLY MOVE TO WHATEVER NEW PROCESS IS WE WISH TO HAVE.

AND YOU KNOW, I THINK OUR PAST ACTIONS ON THE BOARD HAVE CREATED A PROBLEM FOR US.

I DON'T THINK WE'RE EVER WE'RE NOT GOING TO FIX THAT PROBLEM TODAY, NO MATTER WHAT PROCESS WE USE.

BUT HAVING SOMETHING THAT IS AS DIRECT AND SIMPLE AND TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE IS PROBABLY THE BEST WAY TO GO.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR PERSPECTIVE. SO I HEAR YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU ARE INTERESTED IN RESCINDING.

I BELIEVE WE SHOULD RESCIND THE RESOLUTION AND THEN AND THEN AGREE.

AGREED FOR A NEW PROCESS FOR TODAY. I KNOW FROM SPEAKING OFFLINE TO MR. MCCONNELL THAT APPARENTLY HE, WORKING WITH THE OTHER CHARTER OFFICERS HAS BEEN WORKING ACTUALLY ON SOME LONGER TERM ISSUES REGARDING POLICIES AND PROCEDURES FOR COUNCIL.

AND, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER WE IF WE WERE TO RESCIND AND AGREE TO SOMETHING NEW TODAY, I THINK WE WOULD ALSO I WOULD RECOMMEND ANYWAY THAT WE ASK MR. MCCONNELL AND MR. YOUNG AND, AND MISS RAMOS TO COME BACK TO US IN THE NEAR TERM WITH ANY FURTHER CHANGES OR REFINEMENTS, BECAUSE WHATEVER WE DO WITH RESPECT TO THIS DECISION, WHATEVER WE AGREE TO FOR THE NA, WE SHOULD AGREE TO FOR ALL THE ADVISORY BOARDS.

IT SHOULD THERE SHOULDN'T BE AN NA PROCESS AND THEN A DIFFERENT PROCESS FOR THE OTHER ADVISORY BOARDS.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. OKAY. MAYOR THAT ORDER SHOULD BE REVERSED.

IT SHOULD BE WE SHOULD CHOOSE A NEW METHODOLOGY TODAY, THEN RESCIND NOT RESCIND.

AND THEN TRY TO FIGURE OUT THE NEW METHODOLOGY. I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT.

AND JUST BECAUSE I WANT TO GIVE MY PERSPECTIVE AND I'LL SAY IT QUICKLY.

OUR BOARDS AND COMMITTEES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN STACKED BY THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WANT THEIR CANDIDATE.

THIS IS NOTHING NEW. THIS IS NOTHING. IT JUST HAPPENED.

IT'S HAPPENED FOR MY 16 YEARS OF OR MORE OF OF BEING AFFILIATED WITH, WITH COUNCIL.

SO WITH THAT I HAVE PETRANOFF. DID YOU YOU'RE THE BESIDES ME.

I HAVE. DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? YES. JUST ONE QUICK COMMENT.

IT'S A YOU KNOW, I THINK I AGREE WITH, WITH RAY THAT THAT COUNCIL MEMBER KRISEMAN THAT.

YES. THESE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN POLITICAL. YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE PROCESS THAT WE'RE IN AND WE'VE GOT DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES ON WHAT OUR SCREEN IS. AND I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN VERY VOCAL ABOUT YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY BEING DEMONIZED AND BEING THE LAST PERSON,

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I RANKED THEM THE WAY THAT THEY DID. I'M PROBABLY LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, WE ALREADY HAVE A CHRIS ROZANSKY RUNNING THE AIRPORT.

I WANT SOMEBODY THAT IS GOING TO BE MORE IN TUNE WITH COMMUNITY IMPACTS.

I'M ASSUMING THAT WE'RE RUNNING SAFE AND EFFICIENT.

AND SO I MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE, RESPECTFULLY, THAN THAN YOU DO.

BUT MY, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I'M TRYING TO RIG SOMETHING.

I HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. AND I HAVE A DIFFERENT SCREEN.

AND I THINK THAT MAYBE WHEN WE RANK THEM, YOU KNOW, WE WE GET DOWN AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT NUMBERS ARE WHAT AND PUT THEM TOGETHER.

I THINK IT WOULD BE MORE HEALTHY AND TRANSPARENT.

AND THIS IS WHAT I'M HEARING IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND I THINK THAT GOVERNMENT CAN BE NIMBLE ENOUGH TO ADJUST, ESPECIALLY TO SOMETHING THIS THIS CONTENTIOUS THAT I'D MUCH RATHER HAVE RATHER THAN US GO DOWN AND, AND FIGURE OUT NUMBERS THAT WE HAVE A HEALTHY DISCUSSION ON.

YOU KNOW, WHAT OUR THINKING IS ON EACH OF THESE CANDIDATES TO COME TO A CONCLUSION SO THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE RANKED, HOW WE HAVE RATED EACH ONE OF THESE. THIS IS AN IMPORTANT, IMPORTANT ELECTION OF THIS MEMBER, THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT OR TWO MEMBERS THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW PRETTY CONTENTIOUS OF LATE.

AND WE WE WE DO NEED TO HAVE, I THINK, A LOT MORE DISCUSSION ON WHY WE ARE SELECTING THE CANDIDATES THAT WE THAT WE HAVE SELECTED.

IT'S IT'S JUST A FAIR WAY TO DO IT. AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO STAND BEHIND OUR DECISIONS.

THANK YOU. SO I HAVE FOUR PEOPLE THAT ARE INTERESTED IN RESCINDING.

I WANT TO NOW MAKE SURE THAT IF WHAT THAT PROCESS IS, IS STATED CLEARLY AND EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS HOW WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH, IF WE CHOOSE TO RESEND WHAT THAT PROCESS WILL BE, IF WE COULD JUST MAKE THAT VERY CLEAR THAT WE ARE.

MAYOR IF I CAN ASK A QUESTION FROM YOU, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE UNIFIED HERE.

MY ORIGINAL QUESTION WAS, IS THIS AN EMERGENCY? SO CAN I SAY THAT THE RATIONALE FOR THIS CHANGE IS THAT IT IS AN EMERGENCY BECAUSE.

THERE ARE ENOUGH OF OUR CITIZENS THAT HAVE LOST CONFIDENCE IN OUR PROCESS, NOT IN THE DECISION MAKING, BUT IN OUR PROCESS, THAT WE NEED TO FIND A DIFFERENT PROCESS TO RESTORE PUBLIC FAITH IN THIS, IN THIS NOMINATION. IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? AM I CHARACTERIZING THAT CORRECTLY? THAT'S WHY WE'RE RESCINDING IT. IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME, THAT IS MY REASON.

AND I CAN'T SPEAK, I CAN'T SPEAK, NOR WOULD I CARE TO SPEAK FOR ANYBODY ELSE, BECAUSE I WANT TO GET BEHIND IT, AND I CAN CONSIDER IT AN EMERGENCY IF THAT'S IF THAT'S THE CASE.

THANK YOU. OKAY. IF I COULD GO TO YEAH. CHARTER MEMBERS AND CLARIFY THAT PROCESS.

YEAH, I DON'T MIND. AND I'M SURE MR. YOUNG WILL JUMP IN.

BUT JUST TO REITERATE WHAT I STATED ALL OF YOU, AGAIN, DISCUSSION IS IMPORTANT.

I THINK YOU NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION, PERIOD.

WHETHER THAT DISCUSSION ENDS WITH WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING AS A SUGGESTION TO THE PROCESS IN THE SAME DISCUSSION FOR EACH MEMBER IS FINE, BUT I'M SORRY. SO I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION AND THEN GO BACK THROUGH EVERYONE AND SELECT WHAT THE PROCESS IS THAT I'M SUGGESTING. I THINK IT CAN HAPPEN AS WE WORK DOWN THE COUNCIL.

RIGHT. BUT IT'S UP TO COUNCIL. I'M JUST I'M JUST POINTING OUT THAT IT CAN ALL HAPPEN TOGETHER IN THE SAME OPPORTUNITY THAT EACH COUNCIL MEMBER HAS TO DISCUSS THE INTERVIEWEES. SO I UNDERSTAND THAT EACH PERSON, IF THEY WANT TO, HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS THE CANDIDATES CORRECT, THEN THE NEXT PROCESS WOULD BE THAT THERE IS A ROLL CALL OR A GO DOWN THE LINE AND ASK FOR THEIR TOP THREE. IS THAT WHAT I HEARD? IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER. OKAY. IDENTIFY THEIR TOP THREE.

THAT'S THE PROCESS I WANT TO CLEAR BEFORE WE RESEND.

CORRECT. AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN EXACTLY WHAT VICE MAYOR WAS DESCRIBING.

AND I APPRECIATE IT AND I AGREE I THINK WE NEED TO BE CLEAR.

THE ONLY POINT I WAS MAKING MAYOR, INSTEAD OF DOING IT IN TWO STEPS, I WAS SUGGESTING THAT IF WE GO FROM LEFT TO RIGHT OR RIGHT TO LEFT, EACH COUNCIL MEMBER CAN, IF THEY WISH, DISCUSS THE MEMBER AND THEN END THEIR COMMENTS WITH THEIR TOP THREE SO THAT WE COULD DO IT ALL AT ONCE.

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ALTHOUGH I DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THAT. I'M SORRY, BUT SOMETIMES FOR MYSELF, IF I THINK I'M GOING TO VOTE A CERTAIN WAY AND ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES GIVES A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

I CAN CHANGE MY PERSPECTIVE. SO I I'M NOT SURE THAT.

NO, NO PROBLEM AT ALL. HAVE THE CONVERSATION AND THEN TAKE A ROLL CALL ON THEIR TOP THREE.

COMPLETELY FINE. THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM AT ALL.

ALL RIGHT. YEAH. MAYOR, IF I MAY, I WOULD PREFER THIS.

AND I THINK IT'S JUST A SMALL ADJUSTMENT THAT WE, AFTER WE'VE DISCUSSED THEM, WE EACH WRITE DOWN OUR TOP THREE, AND THAT IS HANDED IN SO THAT IT DOESN'T APPEAR AS WHATEVER ORDER YOU DO.

FOLKS CAN THINK, WELL, THEY HEARD THEM SAY THAT. AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY WENT THERE. AND THAT GETS RID OF ANY THERE'S NO MANIPULATION IF YOU'VE WRITTEN IT DOWN AND TURNED IT IN AND WE ALL DO THAT SIMULTANEOUSLY, THEN SHE COULD READ IT.

WHEN WE'RE DOING A COLLECTIVE NEEDS ASSESSMENT, THAT'S HOW WE DO IT. WE FILL THE BOARD WITH THE THOUGHTS. THAT WAY OTHER THOUGHTS AREN'T.

AND THAT'S AFTER THE CONVERSATION. OF COURSE I AGREE.

AND THEN YOU TURN IT IN AND THEN VOILA, I HAVE A SHAKING OF HEADS AS A CONSENSUS.

BUT YES YES YES YES. AND JUST TO JUST TO CLARIFY.

SO THOSE ARE THE THREE PEOPLE WILL BE TURNING IN.

WE'LL HAVE THE DISCUSSION BEFOREHAND SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, SORT OF DEBATE AND, AND TALK ABOUT THESE.

BUT THEN WE DON'T WE TURN THEM IN BUT IN NO RANKING ORDER.

CORRECT. JUST THREE PEOPLE, OUR THREE TOP CHOICES.

CORRECT. WITH THAT, I THINK THAT'S I GOT YOU I JUST WANT TO ADD ONE MR..

I THINK MR. MCCONNELL IMPLIED IT, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO BE POINT OF CLARITY IS THEN THAT WOULD BE TALLIED.

AND YOU MAY 1ST PERSON MAY END UP ON FIVE PEOPLE'S THREE AND THAT'S IT.

AND THEN YOU WOULD TAKE THEM AND WHOEVER, WHATEVER ORDER TO HAVE DISCUSSION.

AND THEN ULTIMATELY UNTIL SOMEONE GETS TO THE FOUR VOTES, THAT'S THAT, THAT THAT'S THE CRITERIA UPON WHICH THEY'RE APPOINTED, PURE AND SIMPLE. BUT THE QUANTITY WOULD BE THE ORDER IN WHICH YOU TOOK THEM OUT.

COULD WE THEORETICALLY HAVE THREE PEOPLE COME UP WITH FOUR CHOICES.

IF YOU ALL PICK, IF YOU ALL PICK THE SAME ONE, YOU COULD HAVE THREE PEOPLE COME UP WITH SEVEN.

SO YES, BUT THAT MAY NOT. I MEAN, YES. AND YOU CROSS THAT BRIDGE, RIGHT? RIGHT. OKAY. SO IT WOULD BE DONE BY A REVOTE.

OKAY. TO COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER'S POINT. I THINK WE CROSSED THAT BRIDGE.

IF WE RUN INTO IT, I THINK MAYOR, IF I MAY, I THINK WHAT I'VE HEARD, JUST TO CLARIFY, IS IF THIS IS RESCINDED, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HEALTHY DISCUSSION ON ALL THE CANDIDATES, AND THEN YOU ARE GOING TO WRITE YOUR TOP THREE, IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER. THOSE ARE CLEARLY PUBLIC RECORDS.

MADAM CLERK ALREADY HAS A BALLOT. SO YOU CAN JUST SIMPLY CHECK THE PERSON NEXT TO IT, SUBMIT IT TO THE MADAM CLERK.

SHE WILL ACTUALLY READ THEM IN PUBLIC. AND THEN WE WILL JUST SEE WHERE THE NUMBERS FALL AND IF AND WE CAN HANDLE A MOTION AT THAT POINT DEPENDING ON HOW MANY TIMES A NAME POPS UP. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OH, YES. VICE MAYOR.

WELL, THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. SO THERE'S JUST A COUPLE THINGS I WANTED TO SAY, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T SAY IT, THEN EVERYONE WALKS AWAY WITH. WELL, YOU MUST HAVE AGREED WITH WHAT WAS SAID BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING, RIGHT? SO I JUST WANT TO GET IT ON THE RECORD.

FIRST OF ALL. IS STATUS QUO. THE GOAL IS STATUS QUO.

THE GOAL, IN OTHER WORDS, THE WAY WE'VE ALWAYS DONE THINGS.

IS THAT THE WAY WE REALLY WANT TO DO THINGS? AND IF THAT'S THE GOAL, THEN THEN SAY IT RIGHT.

BUT I'M I'M NOT SO SURE THAT STATUS QUO IS THE GOAL.

SO I'M WILLING TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT PROCESSES TO ENSURE THAT THE RIGHT PEOPLE ARE PUT IN THE RIGHT JOBS. SO WHATEVER WE'RE RUNNING, WHETHER IT'S A BUSINESS OR THE GOVERNMENT, IF YOU CAN PUT THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN THE RIGHT JOBS GOOD THINGS HAPPEN. MAY TAKE A LITTLE WHILE, BUT GOOD THINGS HAPPEN.

THE IT'S OKAY TO APPOINT CANDIDATES WHO WE BELIEVE CAN BRING ABOUT MEANINGFUL, POSITIVE CHANGE. CHANGE IF THE COMMUNITY, IF THE COMMUNITY, EVEN PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY ARE NOT HAPPY, IT'S OKAY TO APPOINT OR SUPPORT A CANDIDATE, AN APPLICANT THAT IS NOT THE STATUS QUO.

RIGHT. AND SO WHAT AM I TALKING ABOUT? WE TALKED ABOUT APPLICANTS THAT HAVE RECENTLY

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WELL, THERE'S BEEN SOME, SOME DECISIONS THAT THAT BOARD IS MADE THAT SOME IN THE COMMUNITY WILL SUPPORT AND SOME WON'T.

THAT'S THAT'S ANYTHING, ANYTHING WE DO. WE'RE NOT GOING TO SATISFY EVERYBODY.

SO THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISSATISFACTION WITH PAST IN A APPOINTMENTS.

THERE HAS ALSO BEEN DISSATISFACTION WITH THE STATUS QUO.

IN OTHER WORDS, THE WAY THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING BUSINESS ON APPOINTING CANDIDATES HAS RESULTED IN MORE SAFETY INCIDENTS.

ESCALATION, A CONTINUED ESCALATION IN FLIGHT OPERATIONS.

SO MORE PLANES. AND IT JUST THERE'S NO CAP IN SIGHT.

SO YES, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE FOCUSED IN ON WE ARE THE PROCESS AND YOU CAN GO THROUGH.

I AM AND I'M JUST WRAPPING IT UP. BUT THERE WERE IT'S THE ONLY TIME I HAVE TO MAKE SURE I'M ON THE RECORD ABOUT WHAT THE APPOINTMENT PROCESS GENERATES. RIGHT. SO THE THOUGHT PROCESS OF OF WHO WE APPOINT AND THEN THE SAFETY RELATED INCIDENTS, THE, THE PART 150 NOISE IMPACT ON ON 4400 RESIDENTS.

IT'S ABOVE THE NOISE CODE FOR THE CITY. SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT EVEN WITH THE STATUS QUO, ARE HEADING THE WRONG DIRECTION. AND SO WE WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO EITHER AS YOU MAKE YOUR APPOINTMENT, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAINTAIN THAT STATUS QUO, PUT PEOPLE ON THAT WILL CONTINUE THOSE TRENDS OR TRY TO PUT PEOPLE ON THAT WILL BRING ABOUT MEANINGFUL PRODUCTIVE CHANGE. SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THE RANKING.

ALL RIGHT. THE RANKING SYSTEM. SOMETIMES YOU LEARN THINGS.

I LOOKED UP, I WENT, AND I LOOKED ACROSS THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS. EVEN THE STATE HAS CHANGED THEIR MIND ON THINGS THAT THEY PUT IN PLACE IN THE PAST.

JUST THINK ABOUT PROPERTY TAXES. WE'VE DONE SOMETHING FOR A LONG TIME AND THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THAT.

SO IT'S OKAY TO CHANGE THINGS WHETHER IT'S RESCINDING OR CHANGING DIRECTION.

IT'S OKAY. I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF LISTING THREE NAMES BECAUSE ALL THAT IS, IT'S NO DIFFERENT THAN RANKED ORDER RANKING.

IT'S JUST AT A SMALLER SCALE. SO WHAT WOULD I SUGGEST? WHAT WOULD I LIKE TO DO? I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A GREAT DISCUSSION ABOUT THE CANDIDATES, THE APPLICANTS.

AND THEN WE BRING A NAME FORWARD, SEE IF THAT ONE NAME, JUST LIKE WE MAKE A MOTION ON EVERY PIECE OF BUSINESS THAT HAS TO BE VOTED ON BY THIS COUNCIL. WE SOMEONE MAKES A MOTION. THAT MOTION EITHER GETS SECONDED AND THEN IT GOES TO A VOTE, OR IF THERE'S NO SECOND, THEN YOU HAVE ANOTHER NAME BROUGHT FORWARD, RIGHT? AND IN THIS CASE, IN MY OPINION, THIS CASE, WE'RE APPOINTING ONE APPLICANT, ONE CANDIDATE FOR THE NOVEMBER POSITION.

AND THEN WE NEED TO HAVE A SEPARATE VOTE FOR THE SECOND CANDIDATE, SOMETHING SIMILAR.

AND THEN WE CERTIFY IN WHATEVER WAY THE CLERK AND THE ALONG WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY RECOMMENDS.

SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF ANY RANKING.

ALL YOU NEED IS ONE NAME. LET'S AGREE ON A NAME OR NOT AGREE.

UNTIL WE HAVE ENOUGH FOR VOTES THAT PEOPLE WILL SUPPORT GETTING IT ACROSS THE FINISH LINE.

THAT'S ALL I HAD, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. SO WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS YOU'RE SAYING THAT INSTEAD OF THREE, YOU WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND ONE. AND THAT'S AGAIN PART OF THAT PROCESS THAT BEFORE WE IF WE RESCIND ARE YOU COMFORTABLE WITH THREE? OR ONE WOULD BE YOUR CHOICE.

UNLESS MY ORIGINAL INTENT WAS TO MAKE THIS AS FAIR AS POSSIBLE.

SO I THINK PROBABLY THREE IS THE ANSWER. OKAY.

YES, I AGREE WITH THAT. AND WITH WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED AS A POSSIBILITY FOR A CHANGE.

OH THANK YOU I AGREE WITH THAT. I AGREE WITH WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED AS A POSSIBILITY FOR A CHANGE BY BY OUR CITY ATTORNEY, WHICH IS THREE. I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY RECOMMENDED PROCESS.

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AND OUR CHARTER GROUP ARE REALLY SMART, AND THEY CAME UP WITH THIS, AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD SYSTEM WITH THE CAVEAT THAT WE WOULD PUT THEM IN. YEAH, WE WOULD DISCUSS AND THEN WRITE OUR THREE DOWN AND GIVE THEM TO THE FOR HER TO PRESENT.

I HAVE A CONSENSUS, BUT I'M ACTUALLY OKAY WITH EITHER ONE.

WHAT I WANT TO HAVE IS THE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE INDIVIDUALS.

OKAY. SO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS THAT THERE WERE THREE CANDIDATES WOULD BE DESCRIBED OR WOULD DISCUSSION THREE CANDIDATES WRITTEN NOT BY RANKING BY CHECK MARK ON THE BALLOT GIVEN TO THE CLERK? YES, MA'AM. YES. JUST ONE MORE. THE POINT, AND I WOULD REMIND YOU ALL, BUT PLEASE WRITE YOUR NAME ON THE BALLOTS TO.

I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ALL RIGHT. BECAUSE THESE ARE PUBLIC RECORDS.

SO WE NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHO PUT WHAT. AND I DON'T THINK THE NAME THE BALLOTS HAVE NAMES ON IT.

SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. THANK YOU. YEAH. NO PROBLEM.

QUESTION. YES. VICE MAYOR. YES. IF IF SOMEONE CHOOSES NOT TO WRITE THREE NAMES, THE THE FACT THAT ONLY ONE NAME IS ON THE BALLOT.

SO THAT I WANT TO BE CLEAR, I THINK EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS.

I'D LIKE TO STAY AWAY FROM THIS RANKING. IF I PUT ONE NAME ON THE BALLOT, IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT THE SECOND SUBSEQUENT APPOINTMENT. IS THAT CORRECT? YOU PUT ONE NAME ON THE BALLOT.

YOU WILL BE DOING THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT MAJORITY OF COUNCIL JUST APPROVED.

YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO YOU'RE I MEAN, I THINK YOU WOULDN'T BE RECOMMENDING IT IF YOU'RE NOT IF YOU'RE NOT COMFORTABLE THAT WE'RE ABIDING BY THE LAW AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET SIDEWAYS WITH THE AIRPORT, THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY ACT, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. I THINK ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND MAYBE I COULD CLARIFY.

THERE'S NINE NAMES ALREADY ON THE BALLOT, AND YOU WOULD JUST PUT A CHECK MARK BY THREE.

CORRECT? CORRECT. AND THEN WRITE YOUR NAME UP TOP.

OKAY. SO, COUNCIL, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. STAFF IS WORKING ON REVISING THE BALLOT LANGUAGE.

THAT WAY WE'LL JUST CHECK OFF THE BOXES SO THEY'LL BE BRINGING NEW BALLOT SLIPS OVER.

OKAY, GOOD. WELL, WE HAVE DISCUSSION, SO COUNCIL CLEAR, CONCISE.

YOU KNOW, THE RULES SAY YOU YOU HAVE FIVE MINUTES, SO.

WELL I, I USUALLY LET YOU GO, BUT WE NEED TO BE CLEAR AND CONCISE AND GET THE POINT ACROSS ABOUT THE CANDIDATES.

SO WHO WOULD LIKE TO START? SO, MAYOR, IF I MAY, MY APOLOGIES.

BEFORE WE START, WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO RESEND.

CORRECT. I WOULD NEED A THE MOTION WOULD BE MOTION TO RESCIND RESOLUTION 2020 DASH 14478. OKAY I'D LIKE TO MOVE TO RESCIND.

RESOLUTION 2021 4478. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION TO RESCIND THE RESOLUTION OF RULES AND PROCEDURES FOR APPOINTING MEMBERS TO BOARDS BY COUNCIL MEMBER PETRANOFF AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CHRISTMANN.

MADAM CLERK, PLEASE UPHOLD COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER.

CHRISTMANN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. PETRANOFF.

YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. YES. VICE MAYOR.

HUTCHINSON. YES. MAYOR. HEITMANN. YES. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. NOW TO MOVE FORWARD TO THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO DISCUSS THE CANDIDATES.

IS THERE A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT WOULD LIKE TO START? I WILL BARTON THEN. PENMAN.

TO GIVE YOU ALL A SORT OF WHERE MY MINDSET WAS AS I WAS, AS I WAS ANALYZING AND REVIEWING ALL ALL OF THE DATA THAT WE RECEIVED AND THE AND THE THROUGH THE APPLICATION PROCESS AND INTERVIEW PROCESS ON MONDAY.

WHAT WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH MY HEAD WAS OR SOME OF THE SOME OF THE WORDS I SHOULD SAY THAT WERE GOING THROUGH MY HEAD WERE PRAGMATIC, RATIONAL, THE RIGHT DEMEANOR, COLLABORATIVE. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE OF THE THOUGHTS THAT THAT WERE BOUNCING AROUND MY HEAD AS I WAS.

THANK YOU. AS I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHO I THOUGHT MIGHT BE THE RIGHT APPOINTMENT HERE.

AND WHAT I'M GOING TO DO IS I'M JUST GOING TO FOCUS ON, ON A FEW OF THE OF THE CANDIDATES THAT THAT I FELT WERE KIND OF FOLLOWING, FALLING INTO THAT INTO THAT BOX ON MY THAT I WAS, THAT I WAS LOOKING FOR AND NO NECESSARILY ORDER, IN FACT, PROBABLY IS GOING TO BE END UP BEING IN MAYBE ALPHABETICAL, BUT RALPH ALBERTO

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AN ENGINEER, HE HAS A VERY WHAT SEEMS TO BE A VERY PRAGMATIC APPROACH TO PROBLEM SOLVING.

AND I THOUGHT HE HAD VERY INTERESTING THOUGHTS TO, TO NOISE MITIGATION THAT I HAD NOT HEARD BEFORE.

SO I THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING THERE, SOMETHING WORTH EXPLORING VERY UNIQUE AVIATION KNOWLEDGE.

AND I DON'T NECESSARILY SEE THAT AS A, AS A, AS A REQUIREMENT.

HOWEVER, IN THIS CASE, I FIND IT DEFINITELY AN ADVANTAGE WITH HIM.

HE HAS A, A VERY UNIQUE KNOWLEDGE OF HOW THESE, THESE ENGINES WORK AND WHAT THEY DO AND WHY THEY MAKE NOISE AND HOW THEY MAKE NOISE.

SO I FELT THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE THAT WAS AN ASSET THAT HE COULD BRING TO THE TABLE, THAT WOULD THAT WOULD HELP OUR OUR ISSUES THAT WE HAVE HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH OBVIOUSLY TEND TO CENTER AROUND NOISE ISSUES.

CERTAINLY THE RIGHT DEMEANOR. I MEAN, HE WAS HE HAD A VERY QUIET CALM ABOUT HIM, BUT ASSERTIVE AT THE SAME TIME.

REALLY CAME ACROSS AS SOMEONE THAT I THOUGHT WOULD BE COLLABORATIVE AND BE BE SOMEONE THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO WORK WELL WITH OTHERS ON, ON THE COMMITTEE. MICHELLE ARNOLD.

OBVIOUSLY VERY SMART, VERY WELL SPOKEN AND WAS, WAS WAS INCREDIBLY WELL VERSED.

I THOUGHT AT HOW OUR LOCAL GOVERNANCE WORKS. YOU KNOW, SHE'S BEEN WORKING WITHIN OUR SYSTEMS FOR FOR YEARS AND YEARS NOW. AND SHE HAS A VERY GOOD KNOWLEDGE, INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE OF HOW OUR SYSTEMS WORK AND AND KNOWS HOW TO WORK WELL WITH OTHERS. SHE SHE HAS OBVIOUSLY HAS A SIGNIFICANT TRACK RECORD OF SUCCESS WORKING ON BOARDS AND COMMITTEES WITHIN OUR WITHIN OUR, OUR COMMUNITY.

AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, AND I WILL I WILL THROW THIS OUT THAT IT'S CERTAINLY A BIASED OPINION, BUT SHE'S ENDORSED BY A HUMAN ON THIS PLANET WHO'S WHOSE OPINION I HOLD AS, AS HIGH AS, IN FACT, HIGHER THAN ANYONE I KNOW. SO SHE'S ENDORSED BY BILL BARTON, AND AND HE IS A TRUE HERO OF MINE AND SOMEONE I RESPECT IMMENSELY. AND AND ALSO, FRANKLY, SOMEONE THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY FLIPPANTLY ENDORSE ANYBODY.

YOU KNOW, HE'S, HE'S HE DOESN'T THROW HIS NAME OUT THERE LIGHTLY.

AND FOR HIM TO STEP UP AND ENDORSE SOMEBODY SPEAKS VOLUMES IN MY OPINION, SO I CERTAINLY CERTAINLY TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.

CRAIG KOBZA, I AGAIN, A WONDERFUL DEMEANOR. YOU KNOW, NOT COMBATIVE SEEMED SEEM TO BE A PERSON THAT WOULD BE VERY COLLABORATIVE AND BE ABLE TO WORK WELL WITH OTHERS. WHAT HE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE, WHILE HE DIDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANY, ANY AVIATION BACKGROUND, WHAT HE DOES HAVE IS HE'S CREATED A BUSINESS EMPIRE THAT IS INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL.

AND SPECIFICALLY WHAT HE DOES IS HE SPECIALIZES IN SOLVING DIFFICULT PROBLEMS. AND I WOULD PROBABLY CHARACTERIZE THE RELATIONSHIP OF OUR CITY AND OUR AIRPORT AS, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT NECESSARILY DIFFICULT. WELL, YEAH, I WILL I'LL CALL IT DIFFICULT.

IT'S DIFFICULT. AND IT'S AND IT'S I WON'T CALL IT A PROBLEM, BUT IT CERTAINLY IS DIFFICULT, AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE A UNIQUE INDIVIDUAL WITH UNIQUE, WITH A UNIQUE SET OF SKILLS TO BE ON THE AIR TO HELP US CLAW OUR WAY OUT OF THE QUAGMIRE THAT WE SEEM TO BE IN AT THIS POINT IN TIME. AND IT'S AND IT'S NOT A RECENT QUAGMIRE. THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR A WHILE. SO I FEEL LIKE THAT HE BRINGS A SET OF SKILLS TO THE TABLE THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN BEFORE.

AND I THINK THAT HE WOULD PROBABLY BE IN A POSITION TO APPLY THOSE SKILLS AND POTENTIALLY BRING US SOME SOLUTIONS.

LET'S SEE. MICHAEL JOYCE HE SOMETHING I DIDN'T THINK ANY OF THE OTHERS HAD.

AT LEAST I DIDN'T NOTICE OR IT WASN'T DISCUSSED.

HE HAS EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH THE FAA. YOU KNOW, THAT IS THE 300 POUND GORILLA IN THE ROOM.

YOU KNOW, WE CAN TALK ABOUT WORKING TOGETHER AND FINDING COMMON GROUND WITH THE FAA.

BUT THE REALITY IS, IF WE DON'T HAVE THE FAA ON BOARD WE CAN ALL WE CAN WE CAN ALL WANT SOMETHING.

AND IF THEY DON'T WANT US TO HAVE IT, IT'S THEIR DECISION.

SO HE BRINGS A SET OF SKILLS TO THE TABLE THAT I DON'T THINK OTHERS HAD WITH THE GAME.

FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT HE HAS WORKED WITH THE FAA BEFORE, AND HE KNOWS HOW THEY HOW THEY OPERATE AND WHAT THEY WORK, HOW THEY WORK, AND POTENTIALLY THAT WOULD HELP BRING SOME SOLUTIONS TO THE TABLE THAT MAYBE THE FAA WOULD ALLOW US TO,

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AND SPECIFICALLY, AND I WILL EMPHASIZE THIS, IT SHOULD BE A PART OF THE NAR'S MISSION STATEMENT.

I AGREE WITH THAT WHOLEHEARTEDLY. WE ARE NEIGHBORS, AND AND WE DO NEED TO HAVE A, A WORKING, A GOOD WORKING RELATIONSHIP. AND I THINK THAT THAT THE NAR SHOULD HAVE THAT AS A PRIORITY AND NOT JUST A STATED PRIORITY, BUT A WRITTEN AND LISTED PRIORITY. SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT WAS VERY COMMONSENSICAL.

BUT BUT AT THE SAME TIME, SOMETHING THAT IS NOT HAPPENING AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

HIS HIS STRONG DESIRE FOR COLLABORATION AND COOPERATION BETWEEN THE NAR AND THE CITY AND THE CITY COUNCIL.

HE HE REALLY HAMMERED THAT POINT AND AND AGAIN, I COULDN'T AGREE MORE.

WE WE NEED WE NEED A A BETTER, BETTER WORKING RELATIONSHIP.

I THINK HE EVEN SUGGESTED THAT THERE SHOULD BE AN APPOINTMENT TO THE NAR, A POSITION SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO HELP WITH THAT PROCESS.

WHEN WHEN TWO BODIES ARE UNABLE TO COMMUNICATE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE UNABLE TO TO SOLVE FIND SOLUTIONS TO TO ISSUES.

SO AGAIN, I REALLY, REALLY ENJOY THE FACT THAT HE, HE EMPHASIZED THE THE COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE TWO AND, AND FELT THAT THAT SHOULD BE A PRIORITY, IF NOT TOP PRIORITY.

HE ALSO HAD VERY CREATIVE. SOME MAY MAY NOT WORK, BUT VERY CREATIVE SOLUTIONS AND NOISE MITIGATION, WHICH I ENJOYED. AGAIN OUT OF THE BOX THINKING IS PROBABLY SOMETHING THAT WE NEED ON THIS, ON THIS COMMITTEE, ON THIS BOARD. WE NEED PEOPLE TO COME TO THE, TO THE TABLE WITH IDEAS THAT WE HAVE NOT SEEN BEFORE.

BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING THUS FAR HAS, HAS BROUGHT US TO WHERE WE ARE NOW.

AND, AND THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A GOOD PLACE.

WE NEED TO WE NEED TO FIND SOME SOLUTIONS. AND JOHN ALLEN WAS VERY DYNAMIC.

HE HAS PRIOR EXPERIENCE. I THINK THAT'S HELPFUL.

AGAIN, CERTAINLY NOT NECESSARY, BUT I THINK IT'S HELPFUL. HE UNDERSTANDS THE, THE, THE MECHANISMS OF HOW THE BOARD WORKS.

AND, AND I, I EMBRACE THE FACT THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS ON ON BANNING STAGE THREE JETS.

I THINK THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. AGAIN, IF WE CAN GET GET IT TO THE TABLE AND GET THE FAA TO ALLOW US TO DO IT, THAT'S ANOTHER STORY. BUT NONETHELESS, I THINK IT CERTAINLY SHOULD BE SHOULD BE A GOAL AND OBJECTIVE, AND ITS PRIORITY ON REDUCING THE VOLUME OF JETS FROM THE VOLUME.

BEING USING THE WORD VOLUME HERE AS AS THE NUMBER OF JETS COMING IN AND OUT, THE TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT, REDUCING THAT. THE REALITY IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE JETS.

THEY OUR AIRPORT IS AN ASSET. IT'S IT'S AN ATTRIBUTE TO THIS COMMUNITY.

BUT WE DO NEED TO MAKE AN EFFORT TO FIND SOME COMMON GROUND FROM A STANDPOINT OF NOISE MITIGATION.

AND I'VE SAID THIS OUT LOUD BEFORE, AND AND FOR THE PUBLIC TO HEAR, I BELIEVE THAT THAT IS ONE OF OUR SOLUTIONS.

AND WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO DO IT. AND AGAIN HOW WE GET THERE, I'M NOT SURE.

AND THAT'S BEEN THAT'S BEEN THE DIFFICULTY, YOU KNOW, DO WE USE SAFETY AS, AS THE AS THE PROTOCOL FOR GETTING THERE? HEY, INSTEAD OF A JET, EVERY I THINK IT WAS STATED IT'S A THREE MILE STRETCH.

AND, YOU KNOW, DOES THAT NEED TO BE 5 OR 7? I DON'T KNOW, BUT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO THAT TO TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF JETS COMING IN.

BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE JETS ARE HERE AND WE NEED TO HAVE THAT AIRPORT THERE SERVICING THEM.

AND THEN I ALSO I ALSO ENJOYED MELANSON HE GOOD AVIATION EXPERIENCE GREAT COMMUNICATION SKILLS.

HE UNDERSTOOD THAT THE AIRPORT IS AN ASSET AND AN ATTRIBUTE TO THIS COMMUNITY, AND IT ABSOLUTELY IS.

THE AIRPORT IS IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IT'S RIGHT WHERE IT'S AT, AND IT'S AND IT'S WORKING EFFECTIVELY, EFFICIENTLY. BUT AGAIN, WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE HAVE ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE SOLVED.

AND I THINK THAT HE BROUGHT AGAIN, BACK TO MY ORIGINAL STATEMENT.

HE BROUGHT THE RIGHT DEMEANOR THE RIGHT PROCESS FROM A STANDPOINT OF BEING PRAGMATIC AND COMMONSENSICAL WHICH I APPLIED TO ALL OF THESE GUYS.

AND I FELT THAT ALL OF THEM CHECKED THOSE BOXES AND, AND I AND AGAIN, I CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH AND EMPHASIZE ENOUGH, I THINK THE, THE CHOICES THAT WE NEED TO MAKE HERE TODAY NEED TO BE FOLKS THAT THAT DO HAVE THE THE PERSONALITY OF OF THAT'S GOING TO BE COLLABORATIVE WORKING TOGETHER PULLING IN THE SAME DIRECTION THE RIGHT DEMEANOR THE ABILITY TO WORK WELL WITH OTHERS.

I CAN'T STRESS ENOUGH THAT THOSE THOSE ARE THE ATTRIBUTES AND ASSETS THAT THAT THESE CANDIDATES THAT OUR CHOICES NEED TO BE BRINGING TO THE TABLE.

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AND, BUT THOSE WERE, THOSE WERE THE ONES THAT STOOD OUT TO ME, AND I FELT LIKE THAT, HONESTLY ANY ONE OF THEM WOULD BE A GOOD CHOICE FOR ONE OF THE TWO POSITIONS. FOR A MAN OF FEW WORDS, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CLEAR AND ARTICULATE DISCUSSION.

PENMAN. UNLIKE MY COLLEAGUE, I DO NOT HAVE AN EIDETIC MEMORY, SO I'M GOING TO HAVE TO REFER TO MY NOTES UNFORTUNATELY, AS WE MOVE ALONG. BEAUTIFUL JOB. MR. ALBERTO I THOUGHT I LIKED HIS DEMEANOR. I THOUGHT HE WAS A GREAT TEACHER. YOU KNOW, HE EXPLAINED RATHER WELL WHAT IT IS THAT HE DOES.

THE IMPORTANCE OF OF WHY HIS KNOWLEDGE WOULD BE CREATE A SYMBIOSIS WITH THE REST OF THE PEOPLE ON THE AIRPORT BOARD.

HE UNDERSTANDS THE INDUSTRY. AND I JUST THOUGHT HIS DEMEANOR WAS SUCH THAT, YOU KNOW, HE HE'S HE'S A LEARNER.

HE'S A TEACHER. AND AS A RESULT, WOULD WORK WELL AND HAS A GREAT BACKGROUND RELATIVE TO AIRPORT OPERATIONS.

SO TO ME, HE WAS HE JUST REALLY HAD 100% OF WHAT I THINK A GOOD CANDIDATE IS.

AS YOU KNOW, I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH MICHELLE.

I HAVE WORKED WITH HER ON THE MPO. I WATCHED HER WORK.

SHE IS SHE IS WAS A DEDICATED PUBLIC SERVANT.

SHE KNEW HER JOB. SHE KNEW IT. WELL, SHE COULD TELL YOU IN A MOMENT'S NOTICE WHERE ANY BUS WAS AT ANY GIVEN TIME.

SHE WAS IN CHARGE OF PUBLIC TRANSPORT AT, AT THE, AT THE MPO.

SO HAVING WORKED WITH HER, I FEEL LIKE I HAVE A DEPTH KNOWLEDGE AND I SAW HER WORK AND I WILL SAY AS, AS AGAIN, AS A PUBLIC EMPLOYEE SHE WAS OUTSTANDING, FAR AND AWAY BETTER THAN ANYBODY I'VE SEEN IN A LONG TIME.

MR. MELANSON VERY ATTRACTIVE CANDIDATE. AND HE, AS I RECALL MY NOTES, ARE HE OWNS SEVEN AIRCRAFT IN SIX DIFFERENT STATES. HE KNOWS THE INDUSTRY WELL.

HE SEES THE AIRPORT GROWING. HE FEELS THAT HE COULD, YOU KNOW, LEND SOME KNOWLEDGE TO THAT.

AND HE SEES, YOU KNOW, HE SEES THE MY MY THE REMARKS ARE HE SEES THE, THE INDUSTRY CHANGING AND AS A RESULT, WOULD PROBABLY LEND SOME WISDOM TO THAT. I MISS JOHN ALLEN.

I'M A FRIEND OF JOHN ALLEN'S. I'VE KNOWN JOHN JOHN ALLEN FOR 100 YEARS.

AND JOHN ALLEN WAS, IN MY OPINION, THE PROTOTYPICAL JOHN ALLEN.

HE USED THE FIRST PERSON PRONOUN RATHER EXTENSIVELY, AND THAT'S JOHN ALLEN.

IF YOU WANT SOMETHING DONE, YOU GO TO JOHN ALLEN.

HE WILL GET IT DONE. AND HE SERVES A TERRIFIC PURPOSE IN THAT REGARD.

IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE, HE'S GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITH OTHER PEOPLE, AND THEY MAY NOT CARE TO MOVE QUITE AS FAST AS QUICKLY AS JOHN DOES.

I'M SURE HE DOES WORK WELL WITH OTHERS BECAUSE HE'S BEEN ON MANY BOARDS.

HE'S HE'S BROUGHT FORTH A LOT OF PROJECTS IN THIS COMMUNITY ALMOST SINGLE HANDEDLY.

BUT LET'S GIVE SOME OTHER PEOPLE ANOTHER CRACK AT THIS.

HE'S HE'S DONE. HE'S BEEN ON THIS BOARD QUITE A FEW TIMES.

MR.. SORRY, FOLKS, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.

HE MENTIONED THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO BE ON THE SOLUTION SIDE OF THINGS IF POSSIBLE.

WHATEVER WE DO, LET'S ALL COME TOGETHER. ALL, YOU KNOW, ALL GREAT ARTICULATION IS TO PERHAPS WHAT SOME OF OUR PROBLEMS ARE.

OUR NOISE POLICY ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH. SO, YOU KNOW, HE HAD HE HAD SOME INTERESTING IDEAS IN THAT REGARD.

MR. MCCABE, MR. MCCABE HAS BEEN A TERRIFIC PUBLIC SERVANT IN THIS COMMUNITY.

HE IS A DECISION MAKER. HE IS A PROBLEM SOLVER.

I THINK ON SOME BOARDS, HE, I THINK ON THE BOARDS THAT HE SERVED, HE HAS BEEN A BROUGHT A TREMENDOUS ATTRIBUTES.

ON THIS PARTICULAR BOARD, I THINK THERE'S GOING TO NEED TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE COLLEGIALITY.

AND AS A RESULT OF THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE A TIME FOR HIM.

I'M NOT SURE THIS IS HIS TIME. MR. SCHUMAN AGAIN, HE IS A PILOT, BUT AS I

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I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT MEANS, NECESSARILY, IN THE OVERALL SCHEME OF THINGS.

HE DOES HAVE HIS OWN. HE'S APPLIED A NUMBER OF TIMES.

HE COULDN'T BE A NICER MAN. HE UNDERSTANDS THE INDUSTRY.

HE IS. HE IS A PILOT, BUT I DON'T. UNFORTUNATELY, I DIDN'T ASK.

MY. MY MISTAKE. I SHOULD HAVE ASKED HIM. EXACTLY.

YOU KNOW HOW BEING A GLIDER PILOT TRANSFERS TO AN AIRPORT AND AN EXPERIENCE AS A PILOT? JOHN CROSS JOHN HAS ALSO BEEN A TREMENDOUS PERSON.

HE'S GIVEN A MUCH A LOT OF HIS TIME TO THIS CITY.

EXCELLENT ADVICE ON ANY BOARD. BUT I THINK IT'S TIME TO BRING ON SOME NEW FACES AND NEW IDEAS.

WHO HAVE I MISSED? MELANSON I THINK I'VE GOT THEM ALL.

I THINK I COVERED THEM ALL. THANK YOU. WHO WOULD LIKE TO GO NEXT? OKAY, MARK. THANK YOU. COUNCILWOMAN. YOU ARE SO SWEET.

AND SERIOUSLY, THAT WAS FANTASTIC AND ANSWERED A BUNCH.

I WAS GOING TO ASK THE BOARD HERE FIRST THING. I WAS GOING TO ASK JUST KIND OF OFF OR NEAR ALPHABETICALLY.

IF JOHN ALLEN WAS TOO POLARIZING, HAD TOO MUCH HISTORY TO BE.

I THINK HE'S VERY QUALIFIED, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE.

BUT LIKE, HAS ANYBODY LIKE, HE'S NOT THE GUY BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE THE CASE, IT SEEMS. I THINK THE IDEA OF HAVING. NEW PERSPECTIVES, SOME FRESH FACES I THINK IS A GREAT IDEA AT THIS POINT. AND SO IN THAT VEIN, I WOULD SAY THAT THAT WOULD EXCLUDE THE SAME THREE.

AND FOR ME IT'S EASIER JUST TO DO THE EXCLUDING PART.

AND I THINK WE HAVE A BUNCH OF REALLY GREAT CANDIDATES.

AND SO IF THAT WOULD BE JOHN ALLEN AND MIKE MCCABE AND, AND, AND JOHN CROSSAN, I DON'T MEAN TO BE FLIPPANT WITH THAT, BUT IT'S IN THE INTEREST OF TIME. IT'S JUST EASY TO JUST TO SAY THAT PART.

THE OTHER ONE THAT I AND I MR. SCHUMANN, BLESS HIS HEART.

I, I WOULD LOVE TO HANG OUT WITH THAT GUY. NOW, I DON'T KNOW THAT.

LIKE I SAID, AS A COACH, AND MAYBE I WAS TIRED OF IT, BUT YOU GET THE, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU OUGHT TO DO, AND THEN IT'S THINGS THAT ARE JUST REALLY AREN'T POSSIBLE OR PRACTICAL, AND IT'S GREAT.

IT'S ASPIRATIONAL. I ALSO KIND OF FELT THE SAME WAY.

AND I HAD I THINK HE'S SMART AND HE'S IN THE INDUSTRY, BUT I WAS A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED. I DON'T WANT TO DO I WANT TO SAY IT THAT WAY.

YEAH, I GUESS ANYONE. SO MIKE JOYCE TALKED ABOUT AND I MET WITH HIM AND HE'S REALLY SMART AND BUT HE TALKED ABOUT THE JOHN WAYNE AS A KIND OF A MODEL TO FOLLOW AND KIND OF DOUBLED DOWN IN HIS INTERVIEW.

AND I WAS DISAPPOINTED WITH THAT. THAT'S PRE-INCA AND IMPRACTICAL AGAIN, WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW AGAIN, ASPIRATIONAL. AND I THINK OTHER PEOPLE HAVE MORE CONCRETE.

HE DID HAVE SOME GOOD IDEAS, BUT TO I DON'T KNOW, THERE'S SUCH A SMALL LINES OF HOW DO WE DISCRIMINATE BETWEEN REALLY QUALIFIED CANDIDATES THAT THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT STUCK OUT TO ME. AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A DEAL BREAKER, BUT CERTAINLY WORTH NOTING.

AND BEYOND THAT, I WOULD SAY THE REST ARE FANTASTIC CANDIDATES.

AND I THINK ANY ONE OF THEM WOULD BE GREAT AT THE JOB.

SO THAT'S ALL I'VE GOT. NEXT.

THANK YOU. SO I'D LIKE TO START WITH SOME OVERALL.

SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO WHAT COUNCILMAN BARTON DID.

JUST WHAT ARE THE CRITERIA THAT I'M LOOKING AT AS I EVALUATE INDIVIDUAL CANDIDATES? AND, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS I WROTE DOWN WERE AND, AND THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF OVERLAP WITH WHAT COUNCILMAN BARTON SAID.

RELEVANT EXPERIENCE CERTAINLY IS ONE A BALANCED APPROACH BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE CONSIDERING APPOINTING PEOPLE TO AN AUTHORITY THAT HAS A VERY CLEAR

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IT'S INTERESTING, YOU KNOW, THERE THERE ARE PEOPLE, YOU WHO WHO TALK AT YOU, AND THERE ARE PEOPLE YOU CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH. AND WE SAW EXAMPLES OF BOTH. I THINK AND, YOU KNOW, WHENEVER SOMEBODY IS COMING AT ME WITH NOT JUST TALKING AT ME, BUT TRYING TO TELL ME THEY'RE THE SMARTEST PERSON IN THE ROOM. I'VE LEARNED THROUGH MANY, MANY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE THAT THEY'RE PROBABLY THE LEAST SMARTEST PERSON IN THE ROOM, AND THE RED FLAGS GO UP AROUND THAT. I'M ALSO ALWAYS LOOKING AT CHOICES LIKE, IN THIS CASE, ARE PEOPLE COMING IN WITH BIAS? ARE THEY BIASED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER? THAT THEY'RE BRINGING, BRINGING TO THE TABLE.

AND WE NEED PEOPLE ON THIS AIRPORT AUTHORITY NOW MORE THAN EVER WHO ARE CONSTRUCTIVE, NOT DESTRUCTIVE.

IF IF IF PEOPLE THINK THAT WE NEED BOMB THROWERS, DISRUPTERS YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO CHASE THE STAFF OUT THE DOOR AND REPLACE THEM.

WE'VE HAD PEOPLE FROM THIS DAIS TALK ABOUT FIRING THE STAFF OVER THERE AND REMOVING EXISTING BOARD MEMBERS.

WE'VE HEARD THAT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND JUST SORT OF RANDOM COMMENTS THAT ANYBODY WHO THINKS THAT WAY, I'M NOT WITH YOU. I THINK WE NEED JUST THE OPPOSITE.

WE NEED PEOPLE WHO ARE COLLABORATIVE AND WILLING AND ABLE, AND HAVE A HISTORY OF WORKING TOGETHER WITH OTHERS TO TRY TO GET TO ACTIONS AND RESULTS THAT THAT ARE MEANINGFUL.

SO THESE ARE SOME OF THE CRITERIA THAT I HAVE IN MIND AS I WENT THROUGH MY LIST.

AND I THINK THAT AGAIN, JUST GOING THROUGH THE NAMES THE PEOPLE THAT I THINK ARE ARE THE STANDOUTS ARE FIRST, MR. ALBERTO I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT WHAT OTHERS HAVE ALREADY SAID ABOUT HIS QUALIFICATIONS AND APPROACH HE'S.

ANOTHER THING THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR HIM, AND AT LEAST ONE OF THE OTHER IMPORTANT TO ME ABOUT HIM AND ONE OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES IS THIS IS AT LEAST THE THIRD TIME HE'S APPLIED.

I MEAN, WHICH SHOWS TO ME PERSISTENCE AND FORTITUDE IN THE BEST SENSE OF THAT WORD, IN HIS WILLINGNESS TO STAY WITH IT AND AND EXPLAIN WHAT HE THINKS HE COULD BRING TO THE BOARD AND REALLY A VERY HUMBLE TO, TO HUMBLE FASHION, GIVEN HIS CREDENTIALS. AND I THINK HE WOULD BE AN EXCELLENT BOARD MEMBER IN TERMS OF HIS SUBSTANTIVE CONTRIBUTIONS AND ALSO HIS HIS TEMPERAMENT AND PERSONALITY. MR. MELANSON. GREG MELANSON I WOULD SPEAK TO NEXT AND SAY THAT HE'S ALSO APPEARED BEFORE US SEVERAL TIMES AS A CANDIDATE, AND HE I WAS MORE IMPRESSED WITH HIM THIS GO ROUND THAN I HAD BEEN IN THE PAST, PERHAPS BECAUSE WE HAD A CHANCE FOR A LONGER CONVERSATION WITH HIM AND IT WAS AGAIN A CONVERSATION WHICH WAS NICE. WHERE I REALLY SHARED, I THOUGHT, SOME INSIGHTS AND UNDERSTANDINGS AND JUST SMART SMART SENSE OF WHAT TO DO THAT THAT WENT BEYOND WHAT I HAD EVEN THOUGHT ABOUT BEFORE. AND I WAS I ALWAYS FELT POSITIVE ABOUT HIM BEFORE, BUT I THOUGHT HE STOOD OUT AMONG THE INTERVIEWS THAT WE HAD AND WOULD BRING A LOT OF JUST PRACTICAL AIRPORT RELATED KNOWLEDGE TO, TO THE TABLE AND ALSO A REAL SENSITIVITY TO THE COMMUNITY ISSUES THAT THE AIRPORT HAS TO DEAL WITH, AS DID MR. ALBERTO.

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VERY BRIGHT. OBVIOUSLY SHE DOES NOT HAVE DIRECT AIRPORT EXPERIENCE, BUT SHE DOES HAVE TRANSPORTATION EXPERIENCE MORE BROADLY AND GENERAL GOVERNMENT EXPERIENCE.

SHE'S SHE'S YOU KNOW, I THINK ANYBODY WHO'S HAD A SUCCESSFUL HAD A SUCCESSFUL 30 PLUS YEAR CAREER WORKING AT HIGH LEVELS IN COLLIER COUNTY GOVERNMENT DESERVES A PRESIDENTIAL MEDAL OF FREEDOM FOR SOMETHING.

I MEAN, HOW DO YOU PULL THAT OFF AND RETIRE AND HAVE EVERYBODY SAY SHE'S GREAT? AND I AND I HAVE NOT GOTTEN A CALL FROM BILL BARTON ABOUT HER, BUT I HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF A NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO ARE FRIENDS OF MINE IN TOWN WHO I GREATLY RESPECT, KIND OF VOLUNTARILY TOLD ME SHE WOULD BE A GREAT BOARD MEMBER.

THE THE THE JOHN ALLEN WOULD BE A GREAT YOU KNOW, SUBSTANTIVELY AND IN TERMS OF RELEVANT EXPERIENCE, NOT JUST KNOWING AVIATION, BUT HAVING BEEN ON THIS BOARD BEFORE YOU KNOW, WOULD BE A, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY EXTRAORDINARILY WELL QUALIFIED TO BE ON THE BOARD.

AND HIS PERSONALITY IS IS A YOU KNOW, IS A GET IT DONE KIND OF A THING.

AND HE BUT BUT I, I MY ONLY WORRY THERE, MY MAIN WORRY THERE IS JUST ABOUT, YOU KNOW AGAIN, THE COLLABORATIVE APPROACH AND AND HOW TODAY AT THE NOAA, GIVEN WHAT WE NEED, IS THAT IS THAT WHAT IS THE RIGHT COMBINATION AND AND COUNCILWOMAN PENMAN I THINK SAID IT AS WELL AS CAN BE SAID MR.. MR.. JOYCE.

MR.. MR.. MR.. SCHUMANN ALL HAD HAD YOU KNOW, SKILL SETS AND AND COMMENTS THAT COMMENDED THEM. I PUT THEM BELOW OTHERS THAT I'VE MENTIONED SIMPLY BECAUSE I THINK THEY, THEY AGAIN, SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES HAS MAY HAVE MADE THAT MAKE THEM NOT UNQUALIFIED, BUT IN MY MIND, GIVEN MY CRITERIA, SLIGHTLY LESS QUALIFIED LIKE THAN THAN THE OTHERS THAT I'VE ALREADY SPOKEN TO.

SO I THINK I'LL STOP THERE. AND, AND THOSE ARE REALLY THE COMMENTS I WANTED TO MAKE.

I MEAN, YOU DON'T HAVE TO IF YOU DON'T WANT TO.

NO, NO, I THINK THIS IS THIS IS WHAT I WAS HOPING FOR.

I I HAVE A LITTLE DIFFERENT CRITERIA IN THAT YOU KNOW, I WAS DEEPLY DISTURBED THAT THEY THAT THE NA IN THE PAST YEAR SORT OF DE-EMPHASIZED THE, THE COMPATIBILITY PIECE WITH THE CITY.

AND WE DO HAVE A VOLUME PROBLEM AND THAT IS A GREAT ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM.

THAT SO MY SCREEN IS REALLY, YOU KNOW, ARE ARE THEY REALLY COMMITTED TO DOING THINGS THAT WILL ATTACK THE AND IT'S A HARDER LIFT FOR SURE. THE, THE PIECES FOR NOISE REDUCTION THROUGH VOLUME.

AND WILL THEY DO IT IN A MEANINGFUL WAY OR WILL IT BE LIP SERVICE? I'M ASSUMING THAT, YOU KNOW, IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING THAT THAT THERE THAT THE TOP MISSION IS SAFE AND EFFICIENT AIRPORT PERIOD.

AND THAT'S JUST A GIVEN. AND THAT'S WHY CHRIS ROZANSKI SURROUNDED HIMSELF WITH A LOT OF TECHNICIANS, ETCETERA. I'M ALSO LOOKING FOR SOMEBODY THAT'S A CHANGE AGENT TO DO THAT, BECAUSE WE NEED TO THINK DIFFERENTLY, TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS THAT DON'T NIBBLE AROUND AT THE EDGES OF NOISE.

WE KNOW NOISE IS A HUGE PROBLEM IN THE CITY. AND WE KNOW IT BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME OF LETTERS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED FROM ALL OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS SAYING, PLEASE DON'T MOVE THIS ECONOMIC ENGINE NEAR US, PLEASE DON'T MOVE ANY OF THE VOLUME NEAR US.

AND SO THAT IS, THAT'S, THAT'S SORT OF THAT IS MY PERSPECTIVE ON GOING THROUGH THIS ON, ON IN TERMS OF THE CANDIDATES.

I WAS DISTURBED, TO SAY THE LEAST, AT THE START OF THE TREATMENT OF ONE OF OUR OF ONE OF OUR APPLICANTS.

IT'S NOT COUNCIL MEMBER TO COUNCIL MEMBER. IT IS A PERSON APPLYING FOR A VOLUNTARY POSITION.

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AND WHEN THEY WERE JUST APPLYING IN A, IN A FASHION THAT I THINK WAS A LITTLE BIT DISRESPECTFUL.

I ACTUALLY THOUGHT THAT CRAIG KOPSA WAS A TERRIFIC.

I'VE. I'VE WORKED WITH HIM A LITTLE BIT ON MR. MULLINS CASE. WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE COMPLEXITY OF OF HIS JOB IN FORENSIC BUILDING, WHICH IS THAT THAT HAS GOT TO BE A VERY, VERY LITIGIOUS, VERY STRESSFUL KIND OF POSITION.

AND YOU KIND OF GET IN THE MIDDLE OF THERE TO REVEAL WHAT ARE THE ISSUES.

SO I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR HIM TO BE ABLE TO MANEUVER THERE.

I THOUGHT IT WAS INTERESTING THAT, YOU KNOW, HE WAS LISTED AS A BOARD MEMBER ON FRIENDS OF THE NAPLES AIRPORT, BUT THEN HE REALLY WASN'T. AND I THINK WE GOT THOSE LETTERS YESTERDAY THAT SAID, YOU KNOW, HOW THE HELL DID I GET ON THAT ON THE BOARD PIECE OF IT, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT HAS ME CURIOUS ABOUT THE WHOLE FRIENDS OF THE NAPLES AIRPORT AND WHAT THEY'RE SORT OF WHAT THEIR STRUCTURE IS.

AND, AND SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, I JUST THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS INTERESTING, THAT IT WAS THAT HE IS NOT A PART OF THAT.

I THOUGHT HE HAD A GOOD DEMEANOR AND HE WAS A GOOD PROBLEM SOLVER.

AND GAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT. I LIKE THE FACT THAT I BELIEVE YOU ARE A PILOT OR YOU DO YOU DO TO FLY AIRCRAFT.

AND I LIKE THE IDEA THAT HE HAD A BUSINESS OUT OF THERE.

HE HAS A BUSINESS THAT HE RELIES ON TO FLY ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.

ALL OVER AT LEAST FLORIDA SOLVING, SOLVING PROBLEMS AND NEEDS US.

SO IT'S A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. I THOUGHT THAT MICHAEL SHUMAN WAS A BREATH OF FRESH AIR.

HE HE WAS HE'S APPLIED SEVERAL TIMES. I LIKE THE FACT THAT HE FLIES.

HE I THINK HE FLIES FIXED WINGS AND FLIES GLIDERS.

IF I'M, YOU KNOW, HE CAN FLY BOTH. AND HE'S IN THE ROOM.

HE'S SHAKING HIS HEAD. I ALSO LIKE THE IDEA THAT HE IS A PERSON WITH VESTED INTEREST IN TOWN.

HE OWNS TRADITIONS, WHICH IS A BEAUTIFUL SHOP OF WHICH, YOU KNOW, PART OF HIS BUSINESS RELIES ON PEOPLE.

YOU KNOW, IT'S A HIGH END STORE USING HIS PRODUCT SO HE KNOWS THE BUSINESS ASPECT OF THE, OF THE AIRPORT.

HE ALSO HAD SPECIFIC IDEAS ON POSSIBLY HOW TO SOLVE THE SOLVE PROBLEMS. AND I THINK WE NEED SPECIFICITY AND BRAVENESS ON WRESTLING SOME OF THESE IDEAS TO THE GROUND, NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, FLUFFY YOU KNOW, GENERAL IDEAS.

I LIKED RALPH. ALBERTO'S TECHNICAL SKILLS. I WENT BACK AND I WENT HE APPLIED TWICE BEFORE AND I REVIEWED HIS FILMS AS WELL. BACK, I BELIEVE, IN 22 AND 23, I DON'T KNOW, IT WAS.

I SAW BOTH OF THEM. AND YOU KNOW, I LIKE HIS IDEAS THAT HE'S VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE DIFFERENT ENGINES AND TECHNOLOGIES AND WHAT'S QUIETER AND WHAT'S NOT.

HE'S NOT A PILOT. HE HE WAS NOT REALLY OPEN TO TALKING ABOUT REDUCTIONS IN VOLUME EITHER BY, YOU KNOW, HE, YOU KNOW, EVEN THERE WAS SOMEONE THAT ASKED HIM ABOUT FLIGHT SCHOOLS AND WOULD HE WANT TO PEEL THAT OFF? AND HE SAID, NO, THEY OFFERED IMPORTANT SERVICE.

ONE OF HIS IDEAS THAT HE DID HAVE WAS LESS OF A PARKING AREA AND I AND THAT WAS ONE IDEA TO REDUCE VOLUME.

AND IN TERMS OF NETJETS. HE GAVE NOT IN THIS INTERVIEW, BUT IN THE LAST INTERVIEW.

HIS SECOND INTERVIEW, HE HAD DESCRIBED THAT NETJETS INCREASED 55% SINCE 2019 AND BUT, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S REALLY, REALLY, YOU KNOW, THE HEART OF SOME OF THE NOISE PAIN THAT PEOPLE ARE FEELING, BUT DIDN'T OFFER AS MANY IDEAS ON HOW TO SOLVE IT FOR BEING INVOLVED WITH THE AIRPORT SO MUCH.

I THOUGHT MELANSON WAS AN INTERESTING CANDIDATE.

HE HAD MULTIPLE AIRCRAFT. HE OBVIOUSLY IS A SEASONED PILOT, WHICH I THINK IS GREAT.

HE HAD A PERSPECTIVE ON YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE PAINS ON THE VOLUME BUT SORT OF RAN SHORT OF WHAT SPECIFICALLY HE WOULD WANT TO DO. THERE WAS THE IDEA OF METERING, AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS THAT WAS AN INTERESTING PERSPECTIVE.

IF WE COULD DO THAT, I GUESS THAT WAS THE ONE OF THEM. I THINK THAT GIVEN THAT WHEN I GO BACK AND I SEE THE NA MEETINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, THERE ARE CAPACITY ESTIMATES THAT WERE DONE AND IN A, IN A MIXED USE, THEY CAN TAKE 48 TO 72 FLIGHTS AN HOUR. AND THAT BECOMES PRETTY, PRETTY PAINFUL.

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IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS, WE'RE GOING TO HIT FROM 124,000.

SO IT'S ONLY GOING TO GO UP. AND I THINK THAT THAT PROBLEM IS ONLY GOING TO GET WORSE.

THEN WE HAVE I LIKED MICHAEL JOYCE'S EXECUTIVE BACKGROUND, AND HE'S THE ONE THAT SAID, WE'LL PUT IT IN THE MISSION.

AND, YOU KNOW, MAYBE INSTEAD OF HAVING, YOU KNOW, THE PR PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE, THAT WE HAVE AT THE AIRPORT, MAYBE THEY SHOULD HAVE ONE FOCUSED ON DRIVING THE DEFECT DOWN.

THIS IS SORT OF WHAT I'M USED TO. AND LIKE SIX SIGMA METHODOLOGY, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET LOST IN PERCENTAGES 98.5 OR IN COMPLIANCE, BUT IT'S STILL OVER 1000 PEOPLE THAT ARE BREAKING CURFEW AND REALLY TAKING THOSE THOSE AS DEFECTS AND DRIVING THEM TO ZERO.

I LIKED MICHELLE ARNOLD. ANSWER ON HOW DO YOU MEASURE DEFECTS IN WHEN SHE WAS RUNNING PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND INSTEAD OF, YOU KNOW, SAYING, WELL, WE MEASURE THE LATENESS BY WHEN A CUSTOMER COMPLAINS, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE DO AT THE AIRPORT.

WE THEY ACTUALLY HAVE METHODOLOGIES TO TRACK IT.

AND I THINK THAT WE NEED OUTSIDE THINKING THAT IS GOING TO PUT THEIR OWN MEASUREMENTS IN THE SYSTEM TO SAY, OKAY, HOW OFTEN ARE WE BREAKING? WHAT IS OUR NOISE IMPACT OVER THE ACCEPTABLE 60 65DB? LET'S SEE WHO ELSE. I THINK YOU KNOW, I LOVE, I LOVE, YOU KNOW, I'VE WORKED WITH MIKE MCCABE BEFORE, AND HE HAS HE COMES ON STRONG. AND I THINK THAT WE NEED ONE PERSON THAT IS STRONG, COMMITTED.

I THINK HE, YOU KNOW, HE'S KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THE STUDY THAT WAS DONE AND THE ACTIONS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN TAKEN YET OUT OF THE 150 STUDY.

I THINK HE WOULD BE HE WOULD DIG IN WHERE I SEE A LOT OF TIMES, EVEN ON POLICIES, THESE ARE DELEGATED FROM THE NA.

AND WE NEED A VERY DETAIL ORIENTED, I THINK, BOARD MEMBER TO GET INVOLVED WITH.

WHAT ARE THE WHAT ARE THE STUDY RESULTS? WHAT CAN WE DO? AND PUSHING FOR CHANGE. AND HE IS A CHANGE AGENT.

AND I THINK THAT'S OKAY. AND MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE I'M FROM THE EAST COAST, BUT I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED STRONG STRONG PEOPLE. AND SOMETIMES YOU CAN COLLABORATE YOURSELF INTO DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

SO THAT, YOU KNOW I LIKE THAT. WHO ELSE DID I NOT TALK ABOUT? YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, OUR MOST POWERFUL THING THAT WE TOOL THAT WE HAVE IS LOCAL CONTROL.

OR RATHER, IS LAND USE FOR GETTING PIECES OF LOCAL CONTROL AND APPROVING THINGS, I THINK.

AND SO I LIKE THE IDEA THAT JOHN CROSS WAS A PAB MEMBER AND IS FAMILIAR WITH THE CODES AS, AS IS MIKE MCCABE, BECAUSE I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF THAT WHEN THEY MAKE POLICY DECISIONS ON THE AIRPORT AND BEFORE THEY COME BEFORE US ON THINGS LIKE THE UTILIZATION PLAN AND MASTER PLANS.

SO THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR.

WELL, THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I'LL TRY TO BE QUICK HERE. AS I LOOKED AT THE CANDIDATES AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS BY MY PEERS UP HERE ON THIS DAIS WHEN I LOOKED AT AND CONSIDERED HOW I'M RANKING IN MY MIND WHO I'M SUPPORTING THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT COME TO MIND. ONE, DUE TO THEIR EXPERIENCE, WILL THEY BRING AN EFFECT, BRING EFFECTIVE, MEANINGFUL CHANGE, NOT JUST THE STATUS QUO? DID THEY BRING OR SPEAK OF A SPECIFIC PLAN TO ADDRESS NOISE ISSUES? ARE THEY A CHAMPION FOR SAFETY? HAVE THEY HAVE THEY HAD ANY PROVEN SUPPORT OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY? NOT JUST SPECIAL INTERESTS, NOT JUST THE AIRPORT, NOT JUST THE COMMUNITIES DIRECTLY UNDER THE FLIGHT PATHS, BUT THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY? DO THEY HAVE A PASSION FOR RESILIENCY? WHY IS THAT A QUESTION? WELL, BECAUSE THE AIRPORT AS WE LEARNED IN OUR DISCUSSIONS.

CONSTITUTES A TREMENDOUS VALUE FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

IT'S IT'S A HUGE PIECE OF LAND, AND IT'S A PLAYER IN OUR ECONOMY HERE.

AND THEN FINALLY, DETAILS MATTER. SO I'M TALKING ABOUT THE APPLICANTS, THE CANDIDATES AND THE ATTRIBUTES THAT I, I LOOK FOR. THERE IS WORK TO BE DONE. MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT.

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IF YOU'RE SITTING HERE, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN ON THE NEWS, MAYBE HAVE FAMILY.

BUT THESE ACCIDENTS AND SAFETY INCIDENTS ARE HAPPENING AROUND THE COUNTRY MORE SO THAN THEY'VE EVER HAPPENED IN HISTORY.

SO IT'S A POINT IN TIME THAT YOU EITHER PAY ATTENTION TO THAT OR YOU'RE SUBJECT TO FALL RIGHT IN WITH THESE OTHER COMMUNITIES.

AND WE'VE GOT OUR OWN TASTE OF FATAL AIRCRAFT ACCIDENTS HERE CLOSE TO OUR AIRPORT.

I WANT INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE THE CAPACITY AND THE WILL TO ADDRESS SAFETY.

AND I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO ALL THE SAFETY RELATED STUFF, BUT IF YOU WANT TO HEAR IT, YOU CAN LISTEN TO MONDAY'S MEETING.

THE SAME WITH NOISE, THE SAME WITH THAT RESILIENCY TO BEST PROTECT OUR TREMENDOUS CITY ASSET.

THIS ISN'T A POSITION WHEN I SAY THIS, THIS OPPORTUNITY TO APPOINT CANDIDATES TO THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY IS NOT A PASSIVE POSITION WHERE WE NEED PASSIVE GO ALONG TO GET ALONG APPROACH.

WE NEED MEANINGFUL CHANGE. AND AS ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES UP HERE ON THIS DAIS, I'M ABOUT OUT OF HERE.

BUT MANY OF YOU ARE GOING TO BE ON HERE FOR 2 TO 6 MORE YEARS.

AND AT THE END OF THAT TIME, AS YOU GO THROUGH THAT PERIOD OF TIME, YOU YOU MIGHT WANT TO BE PREPARED TO ANSWER, WHAT DID YOU DO TO ADDRESS MEANINGFUL, EFFECTIVE CHANGE? OR DID YOU JUST PUT PEOPLE ON THERE THAT ARE GOING TO CONTINUE THE STATUS QUO? AND IF THAT'S YOUR GOAL, WELL, GOOD. THAT'S OKAY FOR YOU TO BE A STATUS QUO TYPE PERSON.

THAT'S NOT ME THOUGH. I'M JUST NOT WIRED THAT WAY.

SO AS I WRAP UP, WILL SAFETY CONTINUE TO BE COMPROMISED IN THAT 2 TO 6 YEARS? WILL NOISE STILL NOT BE APPROPRIATELY ADDRESSED, CONSISTENT WITH THE $2,204,000 SPENT BY THE NA ON THE PART 150 STUDY? WILL THAT BE OKAY WITH YOU OR THE RESIDENTS, AND WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN THE AREA OF MEANINGFUL RESILIENCY ACTIONS. SO IF YOU ADDRESS THE MOST SIGNIFICANT ISSUES AT THE AIRPORT, YOU'LL PROBABLY NOT GET INVITED TO THE HANGAR PARTIES, RIGHT? I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT I DON'T GET INVITED, BUT I'M OKAY WITH IT.

THERE WILL BE FRICTION WHEN SACRED COWS ARE POKED AND PLACED SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE HERD.

AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT AS WELL. SO WHERE AM I AT ON THE PEOPLE? MR. ALBERTO REALLY APPRECIATED MY. MY QUESTIONS TO MR. ALBERTO WERE VERY SPECIFIC BECAUSE HE HAD EXPERIENCE IN AIRCRAFT ENGINES.

SO I WANTED TO I WANTED TO HEAR ABOUT THAT AS THOSE AIRCRAFT ENGINES THAT ARE, THAT WAS USED TO IN THAT AIRCRAFT THAT CRASHED.

WE KNOW THAT THOSE ENGINES TO MR. ALBERTO, I BELIEVE HE SAID THOUSANDS OF THOSE ENGINES ARE IN USE RIGHT NOW.

AND WHAT ACTIONS? IF I'M AN AIRPORT COMMISSIONER, WHAT ACTIONS AM I GOING TO TAKE TO BETTER PROTECT THE COMMUNITY? IS IT OKAY WE KEEP HAVING THOSE FLY IN AND OUT OF HERE? MAYBE. MAYBE SO IF THEY'VE DONE A DETAILED INTERNAL ENGINE CHECK ON THOSE VEINS WITHIN THOSE ENGINES. SO I APPRECIATED MR. ALBERTO'S EXPERTISE.

JUST SEEMED LIKE A GREAT QUALITY CANDIDATE, MR. ALLEN, HIS EXPERIENCE IS UNQUESTIONED, HIS BUSINESS ACUMEN WITHOUT QUESTION, AND ENGAGED IN THE COMMUNITY IN THE PAST.

OTHERS HAVE MADE THE STATEMENT. WELL, HE'S HAD HIS CHANCE. IT'S TIME, MAYBE, TO GIVE SOMEONE ELSE A CHANCE. MR. ALLEN IS A FORCE TO BE RECKONED WITH, AND I REALLY I LIKE HIM, RIGHT.

BUT IN THE WHOLE SCHEME OF THINGS, I THINK I'M LOOKING, YOU KNOW, WHERE I AM IN MEANINGFUL CHANGE.

AND THAT'S THAT'S BACKING MY SELECTIONS FOR WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN AT THE AT THE NAPLES MUNICIPAL AIRPORT. MISS ARNOLD TRANSPORTATION EXPERIENCE.

I WAS HOPING TO HEAR MORE DETAIL ON PRIORITIES.

BUT SHE IS SOMEONE THAT WE SHOULD SEE MORE OF IN THE FUTURE AND HAS A PLACE IN SERVING IN SOME CAPACITY IN THIS COMMUNITY.

MR. CROSS, HE'S GOT PLANNING EXPERIENCE, SO WE'VE HAD MENTION OF HIS EXPERIENCE.

BUSINESS EXPERIENCE. I WAS HOPING TO HEAR MORE DETAILED ON PRIORITIES.

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BUT I WAS VERY IMPRESSED. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT NOT VERY MANY PEOPLE THAT WERE APPLICANTS REACHED OUT TO ME.

MR. JOYCE WAS ONE THAT REACHED OUT AND ASKED FOR SOME TIME, AND I APPRECIATED THAT.

MR. JOYCE. MR. KOBZA BUSINESS ACUMEN IS INCREDIBLE.

A BUSINESS THAT FOCUSES ON DETAILS. AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT I HOPE HAPPENS WITH THESE APPOINTMENTS, INDUSTRY EXPERIENCE IN THE AVIATION INDUSTRY.

AND I APPRECIATE THAT. MR. MCCABE. SOME HAS BEEN SAID ABOUT HIM.

THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT, MR. MCCABE. HE WILL BASED ON WHAT I HEARD AND MY EXPERIENCE WITH HIM ON COUNCIL, HE'S GOING TO BE THE TYPE OF GUY THAT'S GOING TO HAVE A SPECIFIC PLAN TO ADDRESS NOISE.

AND HE POINTED TO THAT AND IT POINTED TO THE PART 150 STUDY THE TEN ITEMS, THE THE RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO IF WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT ADDRESSING NOISE ON BEHALF OF THE COMMUNITY OR JUST MAINTAINING STATUS QUO, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET STATUS QUO WITH MR. MCCABE.

YOU'RE GOING TO GET IT MEANINGFUL CHANGE. SO THE NOISE WILL BE ADDRESSED.

I BELIEVE HE HAS THE EXPERIENCE WITH RESILIENCY.

SO RESILIENCY IS ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU CAN TALK ABOUT AND MOVE ON TO SOMETHING ELSE.

AND PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FORGET ABOUT IT. OR YOU CAN YOU CAN GET IT ON THE AGENDA, GET SPECIFIC, PUT A PLAN IN PLACE AND EXECUTE THAT PLAN. THAT'S WHAT MR. MCCABE, IN MY OPINION, IS GOING TO GOING TO BRING TO US.

AND IF YOU TALK ABOUT DETAILS MATTER THAT'S REALLY WHAT DESCRIBES MR. MCCABE, MR. MELANSON? BUSINESS INDUSTRY EXPERIENCE.

HE HAS A GREAT DEMEANOR. IT'S TRUE. IS HE AN AGENT FOR CHANGE? NO, I DON'T THINK SO. NOT AT THIS POINT IN TIME.

IT AT ANOTHER POINT IN TIME, MAYBE IT'S THE APPROPRIATE APPLICANT OR APPLICANT TO MOVE FORWARD.

BUT RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES I'VE DESCRIBED, AND WE'VE GOT TO HAVE PEOPLE THAT HAVE IT COMMITTED.

MR. SCHUMANN. I MENTIONED THIS BEFORE, AND WE HEARD FROM A SPOKESMAN FOR THE TENANTS COUNCIL AND FOR YOU THAT ARE SITTING HERE, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT WE'VE ALL THE PEOPLE UP HERE ON THIS DAIS, WE RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM THE TENANTS COUNCIL TALKING ABOUT THE PEOPLE THEY INTERVIEWED.

NOW, THEY DON'T SHARE THE QUESTIONS THEY ASKED.

SO WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEIR GOAL WAS. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEIR MISSION IS.

RIGHT. TENANTS COUNCIL. YOU CAN MAKE SOME ASSUMPTIONS, BUT IT WASN'T SHARED WITH US.

SO WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE QUESTIONS WERE. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE ANSWERS WERE, BUT WE KNOW THAT THEY RECOMMENDED A LIST OF NAMES.

AND ARE THEY PAYING ATTENTION TO DETAILS? NO.

HOW DO I KNOW THAT? BECAUSE IN THEIR LIST, THEY INCLUDED MR. SCHUMANN IN THEIR LIST TODAY. IT DIDN'T INCLUDE MR. SCHUMANN. DETAILS MATTER TO ME. AND IT'S NOT OKAY TO LEAVE DETAILS OFF.

MR. SCHUMANN, YOU'RE A GREAT CANDIDATE, AND I BELIEVE THAT I'M GOING TO GO BY THE EMAIL THEY SENT WHEN THEY HAD TO PUT YOUR NAME IN TEXT IN WRITING AND SEND IT AS A RECOMMENDATION TO PUT MR. SCHUMANN AS AN APPOINTEE.

SO WHAT DO I LIKE ABOUT MR. SCHUMANN? THE EXPERIENCE HE'S ENGAGED IN AIRPORT MATTERS.

HE GOT INTO A LOT OF DETAIL, WHICH TOLD ME HE WASN'T FAKING IT.

IT WAS. IT WAS IN IT'S IN IMPRINTED ON HIS MIND AND IN WHO HE IS.

HE HAD REAL IDEAS TO BRING MEANINGFUL CHANGE.

AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. I'M NOT LOOKING FOR THE COMPETITIVE.

I NEED MEANINGFUL CHANGE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT OUR COMMUNITY ELECTED US TO DO.

ALL RIGHT. AND THEN AND BY THE WAY, I THINK I MAY HAVE SAID THIS ON MR. MCCABE. GABE. HE HAS BEEN ELECTED BY THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, NOT BY A SLIM MARGIN.

HE'S BEEN ELECTED IN OFFICE ACROSS THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, WHICH MEANS THAT HE'S GOT THE APPROVAL OF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, WHICH MEANS SOMETHING TO ME. AND THEN ON MR. SCHUMAN, AGAIN, HE'S NOT INFLUENCED BY MAINTAINING THE STATUS QUO.

SO YOU CAN TELL FROM SOME OF MY STATEMENTS WHERE MY STRENGTH IN WHO AM I GOING TO SUPPORT? I WILL TELL YOU, SIMILAR TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE BY THE ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES ON THIS DAIS, THE THIS DISCUSSION HAS INFLUENCED ME, AND I HOPE THAT MY DISCUSSION HAS SOMEWHAT INFLUENCED SOME OF MY

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THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. SO I THINK I'M THE PERSON ON THIS DAIS THAT HAS WATCHED THE AIRPORT SINCE THE 80S. WHEN CAN STARTED? THAT WAS CITIZENS AGAINST AIRPORT NOISE, AND IT HASN'T STOPPED, AND IT HAS ONLY BECOME LOUDER AND MORE FREQUENT.

SO I AM LOOKING FOR SOMEONE THAT IS GOING TO ACTUALLY PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT THEIR JOB IS, AND THAT IS LOOKING AT THE ENABLING ACT AND THE DUTIES AND RESPONSIBILITIES.

THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THE SECTIONS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE CODE THAT PERTAIN TO THE AIRPORT.

AND REALLY, THERE WAS ONLY ONE CANDIDATE THAT ACTUALLY HAD THAT EXPERIENCE AND KNOWLEDGE TO TWO, ACTUALLY. I'M LOOKING FOR SOMEONE WHO IS GOING TO HAVE KNOWLEDGE AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE LOCAL GOVERNANCE FOR THE AIRPORT AND HOW IT RELATES TO THIS COMMUNITY.

OBVIOUSLY SOMEONE QUALIFIED IN SOLUTION SOLVING AND PROBLEM SOLVING.

I WANT A BOARD MEMBER THAT IS ENGAGED AND COMMITTED TO DO THE WORK, NOT TO SHOW UP AND VOTE.

I REALLY WANT SOMEONE THAT'S GOING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE AND FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE 150 STUDY THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING SINCE THE 90S, AND IT HASN'T GOTTEN ANY FURTHER THAN PART 150.

AND I THINK MR. ALLEN WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO SAID, WELL, IT SHOULD HAVE GONE TO THE 160.

HOWEVER IT HASN'T HAPPENED. AND CLEARLY WE HAVE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY FOR TWO DECADES TO MAKE CHANGES, BUT BECAUSE OF THE POLITICAL WILL AND BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF DEFINITION ON WHERE THIS AIRPORT WANTED TO GO, WHETHER IT WAS GOING TO BE COMMERCIAL, WHETHER IT WAS GOING TO BE FOR THE LOCALS OR WHETHER IT WAS GOING TO GROW IN OTHER WAYS, WE WANT IT TO BE FINANCIALLY SUSTAINABLE. BUT ONE OF THE REASONS THEY CAN BE FINANCIALLY SUSTAINABLE IS IN THE AIRPORT ACT AND IN OUR CODES, AND THAT'S THAT.

THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE WITH FEES, LANDING FEES, FUEL LEASES AND AGREEMENTS.

AND THEY'VE NEGATED THAT TO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.

YES, HE'S DONE A GOOD JOB. BUT HOWEVER, IT MIGHT NOT HAVE HE MIGHT HAVE HANDLED AGREEMENTS AND LEASES THAT HAVEN'T BEEN TO THE BENEFIT OF OUR COMP PLAN. SO TO ME I COULD GO THROUGH ALL OF THE CANDIDATES.

THEY'RE ALL GREAT. THEY'RE ALL FANTASTIC PEOPLE.

THEY'RE QUALIFIED. BUT I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT.

AND YOU'VE ALL SAID GREAT THINGS ABOUT HIM. THE DIVISION AND THE CONTENTION, THE BIAS AND THE THREATS THAT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST WAY BEFORE I WAS ON THIS COUNCIL, WHEN I WAS ON THE COUNCIL AND NOW ON AS MAYOR, THE CONFUSION AND CONVERSATIONS THAT ARE HAPPENING HAS TO STOP. WE NEED TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT'S CLEAR AND NOT AFRAID TO REPRESENT THE AIRPORT AND ITS BEST INTEREST AND THE LOCALS, AND COME UP WITH ACTUAL MEANINGFUL CHANGE.

WE HAVEN'T SEEN IT. OBVIOUSLY SAFETY AND NOISE MITIGATION, REDUCING THE VOLUME IS ALL VERY IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US, BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE THAT ARE LEAVING THAT THE AIRPORT OR MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY HAVE SAID HAVE BEEN FABULOUS AND THEY HAVE BEEN FABULOUS. AND THEY BOTH HAD THREE OF THEM HAVE HAD GREAT EXPERIENCE IN OPERATIONS OF THE AIRPORT.

THEY KNEW HOW TO WORK WITH THE FAA. FAA IS NOT OUR PROBLEM.

WE'RE OUR PROBLEM. THE MANAGEMENT OF THIS. I'M NOT SAYING IT'S BEEN POOR.

IT'S JUST NOT BEEN THOUGHTFUL. AND THE MEMBERS HAVE NOT USED THEIR VOTES AND THEIR VOICE AND THEIR APPOINTMENTS TO MAKE DECISIONS. THEY HAVE ACTUALLY NEGATED THEIR AUTHORITY TO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR.

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WE WORK WITH THE MEMBERS THAT ARE THERE. AND WE STOP WITH THIS WAR BETWEEN CITIZENS AND AIRCRAFT CARRIERS. SO WITH THAT I THINK THAT ALL THE CHOICES THAT HAVE BEEN THROWN OUT THERE ARE GREAT.

I THINK THAT MR. ALBERTO HAS COME BEFORE US SEVERAL TIMES, AND HE DID SEEM TO HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THAN MOST. MR. SCHUMANN'S COME BEFORE US, AND HE HAS SAID THE SAME THINGS, GIVEN US RECOMMENDATIONS AND SOLUTIONS, AND WE'VE IGNORED HIM.

I THINK THAT HE WAS SPOT ON, AND I'VE SUPPORTED HIM EVERY TIME.

I THINK THAT MR. JOYCE HAD, YOU KNOW, GREAT INTENTIONS AND POSSIBLE SOLUTIONS, BUT I NEED SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS WHAT THEY CAN AND CAN'T DO.

AND NOT HAVE A LEARNING CURVE. I NEED SOMEONE IN THERE THAT CAN WORK COLLABORATIVELY TO MAKE SOME CONVERSATIONS THAT WILL DIRECT THIS, THAT BODY AND MR. IS THE SAME.

I THINK THAT HE HAS GREAT HEART. HE WANTS TO DO IT.

WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT MANY TIMES. BUT THIS IS A CHALLENGE.

YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T BE A NICE GUY GOING IN THERE AND SAYING, I'M GOING TO I'M I'M GOING TO MAKE CHANGE BECAUSE YOU'LL GET RUN OVER BECAUSE THEY'RE YOUR FRIENDS AND IT'S OKAY TO HAVE FRIENDS AT THE AIRPORT, BUT YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO BRING THEM TOGETHER AND BRIDGE THE CONFLICTS THAT EXIST.

SO BUT I THINK THEIR CHOICE AND COPS ARE VERY GOOD.

AND MCCABE WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAME IN AND KNEW THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

KNEW THE CODES, HAD A KNOWLEDGE OF UNDERSTANDING.

HE'S QUALIFIED. HE KNOWS HOW TO OPERATE. HE'S BEEN ON THIS COUNCIL.

HE HAS THE TRUST OF THE COMMUNITY. YES, HE CAN BE A BULL.

BUT HE ALSO KNOWS HOW TO BE AN IRISH GENTLEMAN.

AND I BELIEVE THAT HE WOULDN'T BE PUTTING HIMSELF IN THIS POSITION IF HE DIDN'T THINK THAT HE COULD BE THE LEADER THAT WE ALL EXPECTED.

AND THAT WAS TO BRIDGE THE CONFLICTS THAT ARE HAPPENING, NOT CREATE MORE CONFLICTS.

SO I HOPE THAT WE CAN MAKE DECISIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE BEST FOR THE PERSON THAT WILL BENEFIT OUR COMMUNITY AND BENEFIT THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY, BECAUSE WE'VE GONE THROUGH DECADES OF PEOPLE AND WE KEEP REPEATING THE SAME PATTERNS, AND NOTHING'S CHANGING BUT GETTING WORSE.

SO WITH THAT, I THANK EACH MEMBER THAT A CANDIDATE THAT APPLIED BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THEY ALL HAVE GOOD INTENTIONS AND GOOD HEARTS, AND I THINK THEY ALL WERE VERY WELL QUALIFIED.

MADAM CLERK, COULD YOU PLEASE PASS OUT THE BALLOTS? OH, I SEE BALLOTS ARE IN FRONT OF US AGAIN. MISS RAMOS, BY THE WAY, HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

ON A DAY LIKE TODAY. YES. A QUICK STATEMENT FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY, MADAM CLERK, AND EVERYBODY ON COUNCIL.

THE BALLOTS THAT WE HAVE BEEN HANDED HAVE AN INSTRUCTION ON THE RANKING ON THE TOP LEFT CORNER.

AND I'M JUST LOOKING FOR VERIFICATION THAT WE'RE TO DISREGARD THE INSTRUCTIONS ON THE BALLOT.

CORRECT. THANK YOU. JUST JUST CHECK. CHECK. OR X THE BOX, AND YOU COULD PUT YOUR NAME ON IT ALREADY, BUT TECHNICALLY YOUR NAME IS ALREADY ON IT. SO IF YOU COULD USE THE BOX, USE YOUR COLUMN AND CHECK THREE CHECKS.

USE YOUR COLUMN. AND JUST THREE CHECKS. CHECKS? YES. OKAY. USE YOUR COLUMN. EVERYBODY USE MINE.

OKAY. OKAY. YES.

THANK YOU.

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UNTIL YOU HAVE ALL SEVEN.

OH, WAIT. SORRY. I DON'T THINK I DID THREE. I THINK I DID FOUR.

NOW, CAN WE TAKE. OH, CAN WE TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK OR TEN MINUTE BREAK.

AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK WITH THE RESULTS. OH, WAIT.

OH NEVER MIND, BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE MORE. NEVER MIND.

MAYOR WITH. WITH PERMISSION. AND I'D ASK THE CITY ATTORNEY.

I'D LOVE TO SEE IF YOU COULD JUST VERIFY THAT THOSE ARE ALL FILLED OUT COMPLETELY BEFORE YOU START TO TALLY. TALLY ANYTHING? IS THAT APPROPRIATE? YEAH. THAT'S FINE. JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S THREE AND THAT THEY ALL HAVE THE NAMES.

OKAY. THANKS.

YOU GUYS LISTEN TO INSTRUCTIONS VERY WELL. DON'T LET THAT GET AROUND.

WELL, I DID POINT OUT ONE. WE'RE DONE. YEAH. SO I'LL GO BACK TO PROCEDURES AFTER THIS IS TALLIED. WE WILL TAKE A VOTE ON A.

ON SOMEONE THAT WILL GET FOUR AFFIRMATIVE VOTES, OR WE'LL TAKE A VOTE AND NEED FOR AFFIRMATIVE VOTES AFTER THAT, ONCE THE APPOINTMENT IS MADE, WE WILL GO TO THE NEXT POSITION FOR DECEMBER.

CORRECT. AND THEN WE'LL TAKE A BREAK. I AGREE.

OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU.

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RALPH ALBERTO, MICHELLE ARNOLD, AND MICHAEL MCCABE.

OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S ONLY TWO POSITIONS TO FILL, SO.

MAYOR. UNLESS I THINK WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION. FROM OUR ALBERTO, ARNOLD AND MCCABE.

I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO MAKE A CHOICE FOR RALPH ALBERTO FOR THE FIRST POSITION.

DO WE NEED A SECOND? I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMAN BARTON AND A SECOND BY PENMAN.

MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL. VICE MAYOR.

HUTCHISON. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER.

KRISEMAN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER.

CRAMER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. PETRANOFF. NO. MAYOR.

HEITMAN. NO. OKAY. IT PASSES 4 TO 3. MADAM MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

YES. OKAY. I MOVE TO ON THE SECOND APPOINTMENT, I MOVE TO APPROVE MICHAEL MCCABE.

SECOND. SO. FROM A FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT, YOU KNOW, AND I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'VE ALREADY INDICATED MY, YOU KNOW, MY MY PREFERENCES AS WE ALL HAVE.

BUT WE HAVE FOR PEOPLE. THIS IS ARE WE PICKING NAMES OUT OF THE HAT AGAIN.

IS THIS WHAT'S GOING ON? IN OTHER WORDS, WE HAVE FOUR PEOPLE WHO GOT FOUR VOTES.

THREE. THREE PEOPLE. THEY GOT FOUR VOTES. AND IS IT, YOU KNOW, IN 2 IN 2 POSITIONS.

SO IT'S WHOEVER GETS NOMINATED FIRST AND SECOND, AND THE LOSER IS THE PERSON WHO GETS NOMINATED THIRD.

THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING. NOMINATION BY VOTE. YEAH.

AND MAYBE THAT'S MAYBE THAT'S MAYBE THAT'S THE PROCESS WE WANT.

SO I'M JUST I'M JUST POINTING IT OUT. I JUST WANT TO SAY I THOUGHT THAT I WAS CONFUSED.

I THOUGHT IF WE IF WE WOUND UP IN THIS SITUATION, THEN WE'D PICK TWO OUT OF THE THREE THAT THE THREE WOULD BE MOVED FORWARD.

AND THEN YOU GET THE CHOICE OF TWO AND THE SAME PROCESS.

I THINK THAT'S A FAIR WAY TO DO IT. ISN'T THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING? HOWEVER, WE'VE ALREADY TAKEN A VOTE. YES, WE HAVE ALREADY TAKEN A VOTE.

SO I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN PUT THE BRAKES ON, BUT THE THE FACT IS, IF IT IS LIKE DRAWING FROM A HAT AGAIN AND WHOEVER GETS UNLESS, UNLESS YOU'RE WILLING TO RESERVE, IF YOU'RE GOING TO RESERVE AND SAY IF WE KNOW IN ADVANCE THAT'S NOT OUR CHOICE OUT OF THE TWO REMAINDERS, I GUESS THAT'S HOW IT SHOULD BE. YEAH, I VOTE SO SO QUESTION FOR CLARIFICATION, BECAUSE.

WE DO HAVE A MOTION, BUT PROCEDURALLY WE COULD ESSENTIALLY.

RECONSIDER NOT LET IT GET A SECOND, AND THEN START FROM SCRATCH.

IF MY PARLIAMENTARY PROCEDURES ARE OKAY, I'M JUST JUST FOR PURPOSES OF ADDRESSING YOUR HYPOTHETICAL, WHICH, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING CORRECTLY NOW THAT YOU HAVE THREE THAT GET FOUR VOTES, YOU WOULD EACH RECEIVE A BALLOT AND ONLY DESIGNATE TWO PEOPLE.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED. THE DETAILS OF THIS TO BE DONE BEFORE WE WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS.

MAYOR IN FAIRNESS, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT THE PROCESS. SO THAT MEANS THAT'S WHAT I CONSIDERED IT TO BE. AND I'M WILLING I'M OKAY WITH THAT.

AND I'M WILLING. EVEN THOUGH I HAD NOMINATED RALPH ALBERTO AND HE GOT APPROVED, I'M WILLING TO RESCIND MY MOTION SO THAT WE CAN GO THROUGH THAT PROCESS THAT EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY AGREES THAT WE SHOULD BE GOING THROUGH. I MEAN, AGAIN, IF THAT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, I DON'T I'M WILLING TO DO THAT IF THAT'S IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT HAS TO DO WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THE NEXT VOTE.

NO, HE'S ALREADY BEEN VOTED IN. SO SO WHAT YOU COULD DO ESSENTIALLY, IS GIVE A BALLOT AND ONLY DESIGNATE ONE ON THE REMAINING TWO, WHICH WOULD WHICH WOULD RESULT IN THE SAME THING.

AND YOU CAN DO THAT. I'M FINE WITH THAT, MADAM MAYOR.

JUST A POINT OF ORDER. THE THERE WAS NO OBJECTION ON THE FIRST MOTION.

IN THE FIRST VOTE? THAT'S RIGHT. WHY IS THERE AN OBJECTION TO THE SECOND MOTION WHICH HAS BEEN SECONDED

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BUT WE'RE ALL IN IT, RIGHT? WE'RE IN IT. WE'RE IN THE THICK OF IT.

SO I HAVE A MOTION AND A SECOND ON THE FLOOR.

OKAY. AND IT'S TO A SPECIFIC NAME. CORRECT. SO IN ORDER TO UNDO, WE WOULD HAVE TO DO TWO THINGS IN ORDER TO GET TO THE POINT WHERE EITHER THE BALLOT IS COMING OUT WITH THE THREE NAMES, AND EACH OF YOU ARE SELECTING TWO.

CORRECT. RIGHT. EACH OF YOU ARE SELECTING TO WHICH ESSENTIALLY WILL NARROW THE FOCUS AND MAY ANSWER THE QUESTION FOR BOTH SEATS.

BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO RESCIND THIS MOTION THAT'S ON THE FLOOR.

SOMEONE WHO VOTED NO IN THE AFFIRMATIVE AND THE AFFIRMATIVE WOULD HAVE TO MOTION TO RECONSIDER YOUR MOTION.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, AS MUCH AS I TRIED TO AVOID THIS, THIS IS JUST THE REALITY OF THE SITUATION WE'RE IN, AND EVERYTHING'S FIXABLE. SO IT'S REALLY UP TO COUNCIL ON HOW YOU WANT TO PROCEED.

BUT WE HAVE THREE NAMES WITH FOUR VOTES AND TWO SLOTS TO FILL.

WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION BASED ON THE FACT THAT I VOTED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE TO RESCIND THE ORIGINAL.

AND LET'S DO ROUND TWO AND DO ROUND TWO WITH THREE NAMES ON THE BALLOT.

AND THEN WE PUT A CHECKER NEXT NEXT TO TWO OF THOSE.

AND THOSE TWO WOULD THEN FILL THE WELL ASSUMING THAT THERE'S NO THREE WAY TIE.

SO ROUND COUNCILMAN VOTE FOR TWO COUNCILMAN KRAMER, WOULD YOU WOULD YOU AGREE THAT YOU'RE RECONSIDERING YOUR. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SECONDED THE MOTION OR NOT, BUT YOU JUST VOTED.

YOU'RE RECONSIDERING YOUR VOTE. THAT'S CORRECT.

I THINK THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD ME BEFORE WE GET THERE. CAN YOU RESCIND YOUR MOTION THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE FLOOR? THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE GET BACK TO THE. THE OTHER WAY WE GET BACK IS WE GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THIS, AND WE VOTE AGAINST HIS NOMINATION, AND THEN WE'D ALL BE BACK TO SQUARE ONE.

YEAH, BUT IF IT PASSES, IT PASSES. CORRECT. THAT'S TRUE, BUT I HAVE.

THAT'S RIGHT. BUT AS FROM THE DISCUSSION WE JUST HAD, I HAVE A SNEAKING SUSPICION THAT THE SECOND VOTE WON'T PASS.

I MEAN, I HATE TO MAKE ASSUMPTIONS, BUT LET ME EMPHASIZE AGAIN, IF WE GO THROUGH WITH THIS VOTE, WE AS A BODY UP HERE NEED TO VOTE IT DOWN IN ORDER TO GET BACK TO WHAT WE HAD JUST DISCUSSED ABOUT HAVING THREE NOMINATIONS AND VOTING ON TWO OF THEM.

SO IT WOULD BE EASIER IF THE IF THE IF THE MOTION PERSON WOULD RESCIND THEIR SECOND, THE SECOND MOVE IS ASSUMED TO HAPPEN AS WELL. THAT'S CORRECT.

THAT'S RIGHT. SO YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. SO IN THE SPIRIT OF COLLEGIALITY, TRUST AND YEAH, I WILL RECONSIDER MY MOTION. OKAY. AND WITHDRAW.

WITHDRAWAL. THE MOTION. AND COACH HAS RECONSIDERED HIS VOTE ON THE FIRST CONSIDER MY VOTE, WHICH MAKES THAT FIRST ONE NULL AND VOID. AND WE'RE NOW GOING BACK TO THE THREE PEOPLE TO VOTE ON THE RECONSIDERATION.

OH, WE HAVE TO VOTE THREE. OKAY. YES, WE HAVE TO VOTE.

WE HAVE TO VOTE ON COACHES RECONSIDERATION OF HIS AFFIRMATIVE VOTE.

I THINK THERE'S A VOTE WHEN YOU WITHDRAW. AND THEN ONCE THE MOTION IS BACK, ONCE THE MOTION IS BACK ON THE FLOOR, THEN THE MOTION MAKER WILL WITHDRAW IT. YEAH.

OKAY. AND THEN WE WILL PASS OUT A SECOND ROUND OF BALLOTS WITH THE THREE NAMES.

AND EACH OF YOU ARE IDENTIFIED TO. AND THEN WE WILL TABULATE AGAIN.

MADAM MAYOR, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT ALL THIS? I TRIED TO PREVENT ALL OF THIS. I TRIED TO PREVENT ALL THIS.

ANY DISCUSSION? NO. YOU'RE RIGHT. IT GOT A LITTLE CONFUSING, BUT EVERYBODY JUST PUMP THE BRAKES HERE.

WE GOT IT FIGURED OUT. THERE'S A BETTER WAY. THE RIGHT WAY TO DO THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO DO.

SO IT TOOK A SECOND FOR US TO GET THERE. EVERYBODY JUST TAKE A DEEP BREATH.

AND WE'RE ABOUT TO DO WHAT'S WHAT WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DO HERE. AS FAR AS PICKING DOING THIS PROCESS PROPERLY.

WE JUST GOTTA WE GOTTA SQUEEZE A LITTLE BIT, AS THE VICE MAYOR LIKES TO SAY ON OCCASION.

WE GOT OVER SQUEEZE A LITTLE BIT. LET'S LET'S HIT THE BRAKES, BACK IT UP A LITTLE BIT AND DO THIS RIGHT.

SO THERE IS A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION ON THE TABLE.

IS THERE A SECOND? CAN I SECOND IT? YOU MADE THE MOTION.

I'LL SECOND THE MOTION. I'LL SECOND. I'LL SECOND.

OH. THE RECONSIDERATION. I'M SORRY. I THOUGHT IT WAS WITHDRAWN. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION.

WAIT. I'M SORRY. GO AHEAD. I HAVE A MOTION FOR RECONSIDERATION BY KRAMER FOR THE FIRST VOTE AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CHRISTMANN. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE TRIGGER.

COUNCIL MEMBER CHRISTMANN. YES. VOTE WOULD BE TO APPROVE RECONSIDERATION.

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YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BURTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER.

KRAMER. YES. VICE MAYOR. HUTCHINSON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER.

PENMAN. YES. MAYOR. HEITMAN. NO. BUT. OKAY. RECONSIDERATION IS ON THE TABLE.

AND OR HAS BEEN APPROVED. NOW WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK TO THE FIRST VOTE.

SO NOW THE MOTION TO APPOINT RALPH ALBERTO IS CURRENTLY ON THE FLOOR.

I CAN WITHDRAW. I'D LIKE TO WITHDRAW THAT THAT MOTION.

OKAY, SO NOW WE ARE MOTIONLESS. WE ARE. OKAY.

SO AT THIS POINT, AND BASED ON THE CONSENSUS THAT I HEARD, IF I DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY MORE PRINTED COPIES, BUT IF WE COULD. OKAY, SO SO FROM THIS, WE WRITE DOWN OUR TOP TWO CHOICES AND SUBMIT THEM TO YOU. AND HOPEFULLY THERE WILL BE THREE NAMES ON THIS NEXT BALLOT.

AND WE ARE WE ARE TO CHOOSE TWO OF THOSE THREE.

CORRECT. EVERYBODY UNDERSTANDS THAT. AGAIN, FOR FURTHER CLARIFICATION, ARE WE SIMPLY CHECKING TWO TWO OF THE THREE BOXES, OR DO WE PUT A ONE AND A TWO? CHECKING, CHECKING, CHECKING.

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING. IS THAT CORRECT FOR THE FIRST OR THE SECOND THREE? OKAY. SOMETIMES IT TAKES A LITTLE REWORK TO BE NIMBLE.

THIS IS DEFINITION OF SAUSAGE BEING MADE, BUT IT'S BETTER THAN PULLING FROM A HAT.

SURE. ABOUT WHAT? AND JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE HISTORY BACKGROUND, PRIOR TO PULLING FROM THE HAT, WE VOTED ALPHABETICALLY. THAT WAS EVEN WORSE.

THAT'S WHY THE PROCESS WAS CHANGED IN 2014 TO MAKE IT MORE RANDOM.

BECAUSE IT WAS IT WAS VOTED ON FOR THE PUBLIC IF I CAN, AND MAKE SURE THAT I'M DOING IT RIGHT.

OKAY. WELL, YEAH. MATTHEW, I'M GOING TO MAKE A QUICK CLARIFICATION OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND HOW WE'RE DOING IT.

PLEASE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG IF I MAY, OR IT'S UP TO THE MAYOR.

AND I. THE MAYOR SAID MAYBE, MAYBE, MAYBE. COME FROM YOU.

BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT. I JUST WANT A CLARIFICATION STATEMENT FOR THE PUBLIC SO THEY UNDERSTAND EXACTLY HOW WE GOT TO THIS POINT.

AND I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND SAY IT ANYWAY. WE'VE WE'VE GOT FOUR NAMES THAT RECEIVED FOUR.

WE GOT SORRY. WE GOT THREE NAMES THAT RECEIVED FOUR VOTES.

WE HAVE NOW NARROWED OUR CHOICES DOWN TO THOSE THREE NAMES THAT GOT FOUR VOTES.

AND WE AS A BODY UP HERE AS INDIVIDUALS ARE NOW GOING TO PUT A CHECK MARK NEXT TO THE TWO OF THE THREE THAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE NOMINATED.

CORRECT. AND PLEASE, MATTHEW, IF IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD PLEASE DO SO.

THAT IS CORRECT OKAY.

FROM ABOVE. I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T HEAR YOU. I JUST TALKED TO THE CITY CLERK.

THANK YOU. DAVID.

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MARTIN. WE HAVE ALBERTO AND ARNOLD. COUNCIL MEMBER.

CRISMAN. WE HAVE ALBERTO. AND. ARNOLD.

MAYOR HEITMANN. RALPH, ALBERTO AND MICHAEL MCCABE.

VICE MAYOR. HUTCHINSON. ARNOLD MCCABE.

KRAMER. ALBERTO. ARNOLD.

COUNCIL MEMBER. PETRANOFF. ARNOLD. MCCABE.

OKAY. THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE MISS ARNOLD WITH FIVE VOTES AND MR. ALBERTO WITH FOUR. AND THERE ARE TWO SLOTS TO FILL.

MR. MCCABE RECEIVED THREE. OH, YEAH. ALBERTO IS ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR FIVE AND ARNOLD IS 123456. THANK YOU. WENT TO LAW SCHOOL TO AVOID MATH SO I APPRECIATE THAT.

SO NOW WE CAN ENTERTAIN TWO MOTIONS. OKAY. BEFORE WE DO A POINT OF ORDER, MADAM MAYOR.

YES. SO THE MOTION THAT I MADE AFTER THERE WAS A VOTE ON.

MR. ALBERTO, MY MOTION. AND THEN A SECOND. WHAT ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN RELATED TO THAT, IF ANY? YOU WITHDREW IT.

SO DOES THE SECONDER. HAVE TO WITHDRAW AS WELL.

YOU THE MOTION MAKER WITHDREW. YOU WITHDREW THAT MOTION.

AND THEN WE WENT BACK TO THE MOTION THAT WAS APPROVED.

MOTION TO RECONSIDER. SO THAT'S TIED OFF. SO IF YOU'LL REMEMBER THE STATEMENT AT ONE POINT I SAID WE ARE EMOTIONLESS.

YES. WHICH MEANT THERE WERE NO MOTIONS ON THE TABLE, WHICH ALLOWED US TO PASS OUT THE BALLOTS AND GO THROUGH THIS EXERCISE AGAIN.

OKAY. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION, IF I MAY. I'D LIKE TO.

I MOVE THAT WE APPOINT. WE'LL DO THEM BOTH AT THE SAME TIME.

CORRECT. OR DO I HAVE TO SAY WE NEED TO DO SEPARATE TWO SEPARATE MOTIONS? AND IF I'M SURE MADAM CLERK WOULD AGREE THAT THE FIRST MOTION WOULD BE FOR THE SPECIFIC TERM, WE NEED TO INCLUDE THE TERM. OKAY. AND THERE'S A NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER.

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YEAH. SO I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPOINT MICHELLE ARNOLD TO THE NAR FOR A TERM OF FOUR YEARS BEGINNING DECEMBER 1ST, 2025 AND ENDING NOVEMBER 30TH, 2029.

SECOND. MADAM CLERK, PULL THE COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. YES.

VICE MAYOR. HUTCHINSON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. PETRANOFF.

YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER.

KRISMAN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER CRAMER. YES. MAYOR HEITMAN.

NO, BUT WE HAVE FOUR VOTES. CORRECT. COUNTED SIX VOTES.

WE HAVE SIX AFFIRMATIVE VOTES. CORRECT. YEAH.

WE MEET. YES. THANK YOU. MAYOR. MADAM MAYOR, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

MOTION BY COUNCIL. I'D LIKE TO APPOINT RALPH ALBERTO TO THE TERM OF DECEMBER 21ST, 2025 TO DECEMBER 20TH, 2029 FOR AN APPOINTMENT.

SECOND. MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER PETRANOFF.

MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER PETRANOFF.

YES. VICE MAYOR. HUTCHINSON. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER.

CHRISTMAN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER.

YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENNIMAN. YES. MAYOR. HEITMAN.

YES. SO WE HAVE AFFIRMATIVE FOR VOTES FOR ALBERTA SIX, BUT SIX IS CORRECT.

OKAY. MRS. RAMOS, DOES THIS CONCLUDE THIS CONCLUDES THIS ITEM? OKAY. I HONESTLY I HONESTLY THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO TAKE LONGER.

I'M PROUD OF ALL OF US UP HERE. YAY! MADAM. MRS. RAMOS, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU. AND I HOPE THAT YOU HAVE A BLESSED AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY.

AND WITH THAT, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE TEN MINUTES OR THREE, TEN, 13 MINUTES.

WE'RE COMING BACK AT 15. AND THEN WE ARE GOING TO START RIGHT AWAY WITH THE LAND USE ITEM 12, A 15 MINUTE BREAK. OKAY, WE'RE BACK FROM OUR BREAK, AND WE'RE CONTINUING ON WITH ITEM 12 A.

[12.A) A Resolution Determining Nonconformity Petition 25-N4 Pursuant to Section 46-35 of the Code of Ordinances, City of Naples, to Allow for the Vertical and Horizontal Expansion of a Nonconforming Single-Family House on Property Located in the R1-15A Residence District at 2575 Half Moon Walk, Owned by Bernadette D.S. Watkins, More Fully Described Herein; Providing Findings and Conditions; and Providing an Effective Date.]

BUT I THINK WE HANDLED IT THE RIGHT WAY. AND I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S PATIENCE. SOMETIMES IT IS GOOD TO JUST TAKE A STEP BACK AND MAKE SURE IT'S DONE THE RIGHT WAY. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT WE APPRECIATED YOUR GUIDANCE. THANK YOU, MR. CITY ATTORNEY. AND OH, BY THE WAY, MR. BARTON'S AS WELL.

YEAH. NEXT MEETING, WE WE CHANGE SEATS. SO A RESOLUTION TO IT'S ITEM 12, A RESOLUTION DETERMINING NONCONFORMITY.

PETITION 25 DASH N4 PURSUANT TO SECTION 4635 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, CITY OF NAPLES, TO ALLOW FOR THE VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL EXPANSION OF A NON-CONFORMING SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE ON PROPERTY LOCATED IN THE R-1 15, A RESIDENCE DISTRICT AT 2575 HALF MOON WALK, OWNED BY BERNADETTE DIAZ WATKINS. MORE FULLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, PROVIDING FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE.

FOR ALL THOSE INTENDING TO OFFER TESTIMONY, PLEASE RISE AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL DISCLOSURES. COUNCIL MEMBER PENNIMAN.

NO CONTACT. PARDON? FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE? AND HAD SOME BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH STAFF.

NO. NO CONTACT WITH THE PETITIONER. DID NOT. I'M NOT NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY, BUT I DID HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH STAFF.

THANK YOU. KRAMER. YEP. TALKED ABOUT IT WITH STAFF.

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I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE. BEEN BY THE SITE, NO CONTACT.

AND I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE. AND NO CONTACT.

GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. I'M STEVE. I REPRESENT THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR.

CONTRACTOR WORKING WITH MISS WATKINS FOR THE PAST YEAR.

WHAT SHE'S TRYING TO DO IS BASICALLY RAISE THE HOUSE.

THE HOUSE HAS BEEN FLOODED TWICE, AND SHE LOST ALL HER BELONGINGS.

WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS JUST RAISE THE HOUSE.

THE SAME FOOTPRINT JUST ABOVE FLOOD ELEVATION.

THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN COMPLIANCE BEFORE THE RESOLUTION THAT SET THE NEW SETBACKS WAS ADOPTED.

SO BASICALLY WE ARE SORT OF ENCROACHING THE NEW SETBACKS.

BUT IT WAS BUILT IN COMPLIANCE WHEN IT WAS BUILT.

AND THAT'S BASICALLY THE ISSUE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO SEE ANY OF THE DRAWINGS OR THE OR THE ELEVATIONS ON THE HOUSE, BUT THAT'S THE WHOLE INTENT. OKAY.

AND QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONERS AGENT. OH, OKAY.

STAFF. STAFF. GOOD MORNING, CITY PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

MY RESUME AND QUALIFICATIONS ARE ON FILE. PLANNING PETITION 25 AND FOUR IS A NONCONFORMITY REQUEST TO ELEVATE THE SINGLE FAMILY HOME WITHIN THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT AT 2575 HALF MOON WALK WITHIN THE AR 15, A RESIDENCE DISTRICT OF PORT ROYAL.

THE ELEVATION OF THE HOME WILL BE A VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL EXPANSION OF A NONCONFORMITY DUE TO THE NORTH END OF THE HOUSE ENCROACHING INTO THE 12.5FT SIDE YARD, AND THE REAR OF THE STRUCTURE ENCROACHING INTO THE 30 FOOT REAR YARD.

THE HOUSE WAS ORIGINALLY BUILT IN 1952, COMPLYING WITH THE 7.5FT SIDE SETBACK.

THE REAR YARD MEASUREMENT WAS NOT TAKEN FROM THE EDGE OF WATER AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION LIKE IT IS TODAY.

THE PROPERTY HAS REMAINED THROUGH SEVERAL ZONING DISTRICT CHANGES AND AMENDMENTS TO THE REQUIRED YARDS OR SETBACKS.

THE PETITIONER PLANS ON ELEVATING THE HOUSE WITHIN THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT, AND THE ADDITIONAL ENTRY STAIRS REQUIRED TO ACCESS THE HOUSE WILL NOT ENCROACH INTO THE FRONT YARD. THE PETITIONER WAS MADE AWARE OF THE EXPANSION OF THE NONCONFORMITY DURING THE BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW.

THE HOUSE IS CURRENTLY AT A 4.01 NAGDCA ELEVATION, AND WILL BE ELEVATED TO 13.5 NABBED FOR FLOOD RESILIENCY.

THIS WILL ALLOW THE HOUSE TO BE ELEVATED AN ADDITIONAL 4.5FT ABOVE FEMA BASE.

FLOOD OF NINE ON SEPTEMBER 5TH, 2025, A TOTAL OF 104 LETTERS WERE MAILED TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 1000FT OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

STAFF DID RECEIVE EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE OPPOSING THE OPPOSITION, WHICH HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN THE AGENDA PACKET.

THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD HEARD PETITION 25 AND FOUR AT THE OCTOBER 8TH, 2025 MEETING.

THE PETITIONER HAD ORIGINALLY REQUESTED TO RAISE THE HOUSE FROM FOUR NABBED TO NOW N 9.33 NABBED.

AT THE SUGGESTION OF THE PLAN ADVISORY BOARD FOR FURTHER RESILIENCY DUE TO THE HOUSE BEING A SINGLE STORY, THAT ADDED HEIGHT IS NOT GOING TO IMPACT THE OVERALL.

THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE UNDER THE 30 FOOT MAXIMUM HEIGHT REQUIRED.

WHICH THEY WILL BE AT 30 FOOT IS ALLOWED. THEY WILL BE STILL AT 28.6, SO THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE CONSIDERABLY UNDER IT.

THE PETITIONER WAS ORIGINALLY REQUESTING A NEW MECHANICAL PAD TO BE ENCROACHING INTO THE NORTHERN SIDE YARD, AND AT THE SUGGESTION OF THE PAB, THEY HAVE RELOCATED THAT TO NOW BEING WITHIN THE BUILDING ENVELOPE.

THE PLAN ADVISORY BOARD VOTED IN FAVOR OF THIS PETITION 5 TO 2 PURSUANT TO SECTION 4635 C OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE.

STAFF HAVE APPLIED THE CRITERIA FOR EXPANDING AND ENLARGING OR CHANGING THE NONCONFORMITY, AND FIND THAT THE STANDARDS HAVE BEEN MET. THE HOUSE ELEVATION WILL NOT ADVERSELY IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT.

ELEVATING THE EXISTING HOUSE IN ITS CURRENT FOOTPRINT IS CONSISTENT WITH PRESERVING THE UNIQUE SENSE OF PLACE WITH THE NAPLES VISION, AND APPROVAL OF THIS NONCONFORMITY WILL BE PURSUANT TO THE PLANS AND DOCUMENTS SUBMITTED BY THE PETITIONER.

STAFF RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING CONDITION SHOULD CITY COUNCIL APPROVE NONCONFORMITY PETITION 25 AND FOR CONDITION NUMBER ONE.

THIS PETITION INVOLVES A VERTICAL AND HORIZONTAL EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND SHALL NOT APPLY TO THE REBUILD OF NEW STRUCTURES IF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE IS DEMOLISHED OR THE NONCONFORMITIES ARE REMOVED. AND NUMBER TWO, SHOULD THE EXISTING NONCONFORMITY PORTIONS OF THE STRUCTURES BE DEMOLISHED, EVEN FOR A BRIEF PERIOD, THIS APPROVAL DISSOLVES AND THE PETITIONER MUST OBTAIN VARIANCE APPROVAL TO BUILD ACCORDING TO THE PROPOSED PLANS, OR THE NEW STRUCTURES MUST BE BUILT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING REGULATIONS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCE EFFECTIVE AT THAT TIME.

STAFF IS AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. COUNCIL. SO.

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SO THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT ADDING ANYTHING. IT'S THE EXACT SAME HOME THAT THEY'RE SIMPLY RAISING.

CORRECT. AND NO, NO PORTIONS ARE GETTING ENLARGED AND NO ROOMS ARE BEING ADDED ON.

NO SQUARE FOOTAGE IS BEING TACKED ON. THAT IS CORRECT.

OKAY. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER KRISTIN, A QUESTION FOR THE PETITIONERS AGENT.

AND THIS IS I'M SUPPORTIVE OF WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED.

THIS IS MORE FOR OUR GENERAL EDUCATION. HOW HAVE YOU RAISED MANY HOMES IN THAT IN YOUR WORK? WE HAVE. WE HAVE? YEAH. YOUR COMPANY HAS? YES. YEAH. COULD YOU JUST SAY A FEW WORDS MORE ABOUT THIS? HOW COMMON ARE YOU FINDING IT? I DON'T MEAN JUST HERE IN NAPLES.

LATELY, WE HAVE FOUND THAT A LOT. WE'VE BEEN RAISING.

YOU'RE DOING DOZENS OF PROPERTIES AROUND THE STATE.

THOUSANDS. BECAUSE WE. I DIDN'T SAY. I SAID WE DON'T DO IT DIRECTLY.

WE HAVE A COMPANY THAT SPECIALIZES ONLY IN RAISING AND RELOCATING HOUSES.

YEAH. AND SO IT'S A GROWING BUSINESS FOR YOU.

IT IS. IT IS. YEAH. THANK YOU. IT'S CHEAPER THAN REDOING THE HOUSE.

YEAH. YEAH. AND I'M SURE IT ENDS UP BEING AN ECONOMIC DECISION.

WHICH WAY TO GO FOR THE HOMEOWNERS EITHER. BUT IT IS.

IT IS A VERY LARGE EXPENSE. BUT YES, IT'S MORE ECONOMICAL THAN WE'VE HAD A FEW.

WE'VE HAD A FEW OTHERS COME TO US, AND I KNOW IT'S EXPENSIVE.

I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE MYSELF. I'M BERNADETTE WATKINS, AND THE EXCITEMENT FOR ME NOW IS TO SAVE THIS HOUSE.

IT IS THE FIRST HOUSE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND IT WAS BUILT.

MR. MR. SAMUEL BUILT THE. EXCUSE ME. OH. I'M SORRY.

I'M SORRY. OH. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO BLOW OUT.

SORRY, BUT MR. SAMUEL BUILT THIS HOUSE FOR HIS MOTHER, AND IT'S A VERY.

IT'S IT'S JUST A CHARMING LITTLE HOUSE, AND I REALLY.

AND MY HUSBAND AND I BOTH WANTED TO SAVE THE HOUSE.

AND THERE'S HE. THE ARCHITECT OR ARCHITECT WAS VERY WELL NOTED.

HIS NAME WAS HOWARD MAJOR. A WONDERFUL OLD, OLD, OLD, WONDERFUL ARCHITECT FROM PALM BEACH AND OUR LITTLE CHURCH AND AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH IS TRINITY CHURCH IS HOWARD MAJOR WAS THE SAME ARCHITECT.

AND AND IT'S VERY EXCITING TO SAVE THIS FIRST HOUSE OF PORT ROYAL.

AND SO THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH, FOR MRS. WATKINS. YOU'RE SAYING IT WAS THE FIRST HOUSE BUILT IN PORT ROYAL? YES. THAT'S A THAT'S REMARKABLE. YES. THERE ARE A FEW OTHER HOUSES THAT ARE JUST ABOUT 5 OR 6 YEARS OLDER.

YEAH, WELL, THEY'RE ONLY THEY'RE ONLY A FEW THAT ARE, THAT EXIST NOW, MAYBE TWO OR ABOUT 3 OR 4.

WELL IT'S COMMENDABLE YOU WANT TO SAVE IT. SO.

THANK YOU SO VERY MUCH FOR HEARING OUR STORY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR. YEAH.

WHENEVER APPROPRIATE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION. OKAY, SIR.

IT'S CUSTOMARY THAT YOU MAKE CLOSING REMARKS.

JUST. IF YOU HAVEN'T. OH, HE SHE WANTS YOU TO MAKE CLOSING.

I WAS JUST. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR FOR FOR LISTENING TO OUR PROJECT AND FOR ALLOWING US TO PROCEED.

THANK YOU. I THINK THIS BOARD IS SO SUPPORTIVE OF OF RAISING HOMES.

SO WE THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. NOW WE'LL GO TO MOTION VICE MAYOR.

YEAH. I MOVE TO APPROVE NONCONFORMITY PETITION 25 IN FOR PURSUANT TO SECTION 4635 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. SECOND, AND LET THE RECORD STATE THERE ARE NO PUBLIC COMMENT SLIPS.

MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER.

YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRISEMAN.

YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. PETRINA. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER.

KRAMER. YES. VICE MAYOR. HUTCHINSON. YES. MAYOR.

HEITMANN. YES. IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. GOOD LUCK.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY.

COUNCIL THAT TAKES US TO ITEM 12 B, MR. MCCONNELL.

[12.B) A Resolution Determining Conditional Use Petition 25-CU4, Relating to a Conditional Use Pursuant to Section 50-102(b)(2) of the Code of Ordinances, City of Naples, to Allow Required Parking Within 600 Feet of a Lot to Accomplish Shared Parking on Property Owned By Hygate Properties, LLC., and Located at 1795, 1801-1841 9th Street North, More Fully Described Herein; Providing Findings and Conditions; and Providing an Effective Date.]

Q FOR RELATING TO A CONDITIONAL USE. OH, SORRY.

I'M SORRY, MR. MCCONNELL. OKAY. WE CAN GO AS LOUD AS NEEDED.

OKAY. OKAY. I'LL START. I'LL START OVER. THANK YOU.

SIR. OKAY. A RESOLUTION DETERMINING CONDITIONAL USE PETITION 20 5-Q4 RELATING TO A CONDITIONAL USE PURSUANT TO SECTION 5102,

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TO ALLOW REQUIRED PARKING WITHIN 600FT OF A LOT TO ACCOMPLISH SHARED PARKING ON PROPERTY OWNED BY HIGHGATE PROPERTIES, LLC AND LOCATED AT 17951801184 ONE NINTH STREET NORTH.

MORE FULLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, PROVIDING FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. FOR ALL THOSE INTENDING TO OFFER TESTIMONY WHO WERE NOT PREVIOUSLY SWORN IN, PLEASE RISE AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM? CAN YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND, SIR? DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES, I DO.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I HAVE COUNCIL DISCLOSURES.

COUNCIL MEMBER REAL QUICK. SORRY. SURE. MY APOLOGIES.

ARE THESE OUR 12 B AND C? WE'RE GOING TO HEAR THEM SEPARATELY.

OKAY. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY BECAUSE YEAH. AND APPROVAL OF THE FIRST ONE OF B IS REQUIRED BEFORE C YOU CANNOT HEAR C IF B IS OKAY. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.

THANK YOU. OKAY. FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE. VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.

THAT'S IT. NO, NO CONTACT. EXCEPT FOR THIS MORNING.

I DO KNOW THE PETITIONERS VERY WELL. THANK YOU.

BARTON, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE, MET WITH PETITIONERS AND HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.

MET WITH THE PETITIONERS AND THE PETITIONERS REPRESENTATIVE AND ALSO DISCUSSED THIS WITH STAFF.

FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE AND I MET WITH THE PETITIONERS AND DISCUSSED IT WITH STAFF FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.

NO CONTACT. VICE MAYOR FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.

BEEN A CUSTOMER AT THE BUSINESS. SPOKEN TO PETITIONER'S AGENT AND DISCUSSED WITH STAFF AT SOME POINT IN THE PAST.

AND NO CONTACT OTHERWISE. SORRY. NO. I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.

I SPOKE WITH THE PETITIONER'S AGENT, AND NO FURTHER CONTACT WITH THAT.

THE PETITIONER WILL PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

ANGELO ARENA AND YOUR PRESENTATION, SIR. YES.

MY NAME IS ANGELO ARENA. I LIVE WITH MY WIFE, ALICE, IN THE CITY, AND WE HAVE LIVED IN IN THE CITY FOR OVER 30 YEARS. WE PURCHASED MOORINGS PLAZA A LITTLE OVER 20 YEARS AGO, AND WE HAVE BEEN RESIDENTS FOR MORE THAN 30 YEARS.

AND AND WE'VE OWNED THE MOORINGS PLAZA SHOPPING CENTER FOR MORE THAN 20 YEARS.

WE PURCHASED 1795 BUILDING THAT USED TO BE THE GOODWILL BUILDING.

AND IN 2018. AND OUR GOAL WAS TO PUT THE PROPERTIES TOGETHER IMPROVE THE SITE. AND THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE CENTER COMBINED AROUND 18,000FT². JIMMY P IS A NUMBER ONE TENANT, OCCUPIES ABOUT 5000FT². WE HAD AN INTERESTING TIME BACK ALMOST TEN YEARS AGO, WHEN THE CITY AND THE CITIZENS OF OF MANDARIN WAS QUITE UNHAPPY WITH LIVING LOOKING INTO THE REAR OF A SHOP. TYPICAL SHOPPING CENTER.

THERE WAS A TIME PERIOD DURING THEN THAT WE HAD TO EVALUATE HOW WE CAN MAKE THE CENTER MORE PALATABLE TO THE LOCAL RESIDENTS.

IT IT TURNS OUT THAT MOORINGS ORANGE PLAZA IS THE ONLY SHOPPING CENTER IN NAPLES THAT ACTUALLY BACKS UP TO A STREET, AS OPPOSED TO BACKING UP TO AN ALLEY OR A WORK AREA.

SO THE. THE PEOPLE LIVING ON MANDARIN REALLY DID HAVE A PRETTY GOOD COMPLAINT.

WE TOOK THAT IN MIND, AND WE SPENT A GREAT DEAL OF TIME WITH CITY ASSISTANCE, BECAUSE THE CITY WANTED TO

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WE CLEANED UP THE REAR OF THE CENTER ENCLOSING THINGS LIKE THE DUMPSTER AND RECYCLE BARRELS, ETC. AND IN ALL THAT PROCESS, I MUST SAY THAT THE REAR OF THE CENTER LOOKED MUCH, MUCH BETTER.

AND IN FACT WE HAVE. GAINED COMPLIMENTS FROM THE RESIDENTS NOW ON HOW IT LOOKS AND THE ISSUE, WHICH WAS A SERIOUS ONE FOR US.

AND THIS ALL WAS HAPPENING TEN YEARS AGO HAS BEEN RESOLVED.

AND IN THAT PROCESS, WE MOVED TO THE FRONT OF THE CENTER, ALL OF THE PARKING AND NORMAL AMENITIES TO THE FRONT OF THE CENTER WHILE MAINTAINING THE REAR OF THE CENTER AS A CLEAN ENVIRONMENT.

IN THE PROCESS OF MOVING TO THE FRONT OF THE CENTER, WE ACQUIRED SPACE FOR PARKING FROM THE CITY AS WELL AS FROM THE STATE, AND WE NOW HAVE SIGNIFICANT PARKING ENOUGH FOR THE TOTAL CENTER IS 18,000FT² OF RETAIL SPACE IN THE CENTER COMBINING THE TWO BUILDINGS.

GBP HAS 5000 OF THAT, SO HE HAS ABOUT. 2,530% OF THE CENTER.

THEY'VE ALWAYS BEEN OUR BEST TENANT. AND THEY WE STARTED WITH OUTDOOR SEATING DURING THE PANDEMIC. AND IT WORKED VERY, VERY WELL FOR US BECAUSE THE PEOPLE LOVED IT.

AND THE AREA THAT WE USED FOR IT WAS. SUCH THAT IT HAD ITS OWN PRIVACY. WHEREAS BEING OUTSIDE WE WE DIDN'T HAVE ADEQUATE PARKING TO SUSTAIN OUTSIDE SPACES WHEN UNTIL WE SO WE HAD TO GIVE THEM UP AFTER THE PANDEMIC.

WE DID GET THE PARKING FROM THE FDOT AND THAT WORKED OUT, I THINK, VERY WELL FOR US. WE WERE ABLE TO ADD TEN NEW PARKING SPACES, BRINGING OUR TOTAL UP TO OVER THE REQUIRED SPACES FOR THE CENTER AS WELL AS OUR OUTDOOR DINING. THE REASON FOR US TODAY HERE IS TO GET REVIEW WITH YOU THE PARKING PLAN, WHICH IS WORKING VERY WELL. AND OUR REQUEST TO REINSTATE OUTSIDE DINING THAT WE HAD DURING THE PANDEMIC AND NOW HAS BEEN CONSIDERED WITHIN CODE.

I'D LIKE TO CALL UPON NORMAN TO TALK ABOUT THE TRAFFIC IN THE PARKING AREA AND HOW IT FLOWS AND OUR PERMIT NEEDS.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANDY.

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MY NAME IS NORMAN TREBILCOCK. I'M A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, CERTIFIED PLANNER, PROFESSIONAL TRAFFIC OPERATIONS ENGINEER WITH OVER 35 YEARS OF LOCAL EXPERIENCE. I'VE TESTIFIED IN THE PAST WITH Y'ALL AND MY RESUMES ON FILE TO WE APPRECIATE THE GUIDANCE COUNSEL GAVE US, REALLY IN SEPTEMBER TO KIND OF CLEAN THINGS UP AND MAKE SURE EVERYTHING LOOKS LOOKS RIGHT.

AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE. FORTUNATELY, WE'RE ABLE TO MEET WITH YOUR EXPERT STAFF MEMBER, ALLISON BICKETT, TO HELP PROVIDE GUIDANCE ON IMPROVING THE PLAN.

AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT I JUST WANT TO PLAN TO SHOW YOU GUYS REAL QUICK, THE REVISIONS AND CONSISTENCY THAT I BELIEVE WILL WILL, THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. SO I HOPE THIS IS SHOWING UP ON THE VISUALIZER.

YEP. TERRIFIC. THANK YOU. THIS IS THIS MOUSE WORKING HERE DAVID.

OH. OH, GOSH. OKAY. OH THERE WE GO. PERFECT. OKAY, SO ALSO, JUST TO VERIFY, LET YOU KNOW THAT I DID LOOK BACK AT THE FIVE YEAR ACCIDENT HISTORY ON, YOU KNOW, FOR THE CENTER.

AND THERE'S THERE WAS ONE ACCIDENT ON 41. IT WAS A VEHICLE IN THE MIDDLE LANE MAKING A RIGHT INTO THE CENTER.

IT WAS A NON-INJURY ACCIDENT, FORTUNATELY. BUT IN LOOKING AT IT, STARTING FROM THAT AREA, IT IS A BIT OF A SHARP RIGHT TURN COMING IN. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'D PRESENT, MAYBE FOR THE DOT'S CONSIDERATION, IS POSSIBLY CALLING A NO RIGHT THERE AND ASKING FOLKS TO USE THE NEXT DRIVE, BECAUSE THE NEXT DRIVE HAS A BETTER RADIUS, WE CALL IT, AND IT'S SMOOTHER TO GO IN. THIS NORTHERN DRIVE IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE THAT'S HOW THE SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC MAKES THAT.

WHAT WE CALL A NORTHBOUND LEFT COME INTO THE CENTER.

SO IT IS IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE THAT THERE. WE WE ALSO HAVE RETAINED THE, THE ONE WAY FLOW THERE IN THE PARKING THAT ANDY MENTIONED IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.

THAT WAS DEVELOPED A COUPLE YEARS AGO. AND, AND THAT THAT REALLY IS WORKING WELL REALLY WHAT HAPPENS IS A LOT OF THE LARGER VEHICLES THAT USED TO COME IN AND JUST PULL OFF THE ROAD AND AND PARK IN THAT AREA. REALLY DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE.

THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY GO ELSEWHERE. SO BUT IT DOES PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PARKING HERE.

THE OTHER GOOD POINT FROM STAFF WAS DOING THE ONE WAY CIRCULATION AROUND THE 1795 BUILDING.

NOW THAT HE OWNS THAT, AND ALSO A GOOD SUGGESTION TO ELIMINATE THAT LITTLE END PARKING SPACE TO MAKE A BETTER RADIUS SO CARS CAN CIRCULATE BETTER.

SO WE'LL GET RID OF THAT SPACE, BUT WE'RE PICKING IT UP IN THE BACK BECAUSE WITH THE USE HERE, THESE WHERE THE DUMPSTER AREA HERE, IT'S REALLY A ROLL OFF NOW.

SO IT'S. NO IT WILL WORK JUST FINE AND WELL SO THAT CIRCULATION AND THEN THE ALLEY WILL HAVE ONE WAY FROM MANDARIN ALSO TO COME INTO THE CENTER. AND SO THE TWO WAY IS IMPORTANT JUST TO FLOW TRAFFIC FROM OFF OF MANDARIN AND AREAS TO BE ABLE TO FOR FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO USE THE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES IN THE CENTER. AND THAT REALLY CAME FROM THE BUSINESS OWNERS AS WELL.

FOR US TO UNDERSTAND. THE OTHER ELEMENT OF THE CIRCULATION IN THE SITE PLAN IS TO GO WITH COMPACT SPACES.

THESE FIVE IN THE FRONT, THEY'RE REALLY THE SAME SIZE AS REGULAR SPACES, BUT WE MADE THEM COMPACT SO THAT THE TRUCKS WOULDN'T PARK THERE.

SO, YOU KNOW, REGULAR CARS WOULD COULD BACK OUT AND BETTER CIRCULATE BECAUSE THAT'S AN IMPORTANT CIRCULATION POINT FOR THE CENTER AS WELL.

AND THAT'S REALLY THE THE MAIN THING IS, IS THAT TWO WAY FLOW THIS HAVING THE TWO WAY FLOW IS IMPORTANT. AND IT ALSO DOES MEET CITY CODE IN TERMS OF INTERACTING BETWEEN COMMERCIAL SITES.

AND AS SUCH. AND WE DO MEET THE WIDTH REQUIREMENTS FOR THE DOUBLE LOADED PARKING AND I ALWAYS AND TRAVEL WAYS AS WELL.

SO THAT'S REALLY MY BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE CIRCULATION PLAN FOR THE SITE.

I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, BUT REALLY KIND OF BASED ON THAT.

WE'RE REQUESTING YOUR APPROVAL. OF OF IMPLEMENTING THIS SITE PLAN.

FOLLOWING THE SECTION 5102 B2 AND ALSO AGREEING TO THE STAFF MEMORANDUM AGENDA MEMORANDUM DATED NOVEMBER 12TH, 2025 WERE AGREEABLE TO TO THOSE ITEMS AS WELL.

AND WE APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU ALL HAVE SPENT BENEFITING REALLY THE RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO THE, THE, THE BUSINESS OWNERS IN MORGAN'S PLAZA AS WELL.

SO THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS FOR PETITIONER'S AGENT? OKAY. WE'LL GO TO STAFF REPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM MAYOR.

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THIS PETITION HERE BEFORE YOU AGAIN, YOU HEARD IT'S TWO PETITIONS THAT YOU'LL HEAR FOR THIS PROPERTY.

THIS IS THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST. AS FOR JIMMY P'S CHART, IT'S A RESTAURANT IN THE MOORINGS PLAZA ON ON NINTH STREET NORTH.

THE CONDITIONAL USE REQUEST IS TO ALLOW FOR SHARED PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THE USES IN THE PLAZA.

THE REQUEST INCLUDES SHARED PARKING ON FOUR CONTIGUOUS PARCELS, NAMELY THE MAIN PLAZA AND THE FRONT AND THE REAR, AND THREE ABUTTING PROPERTIES. YOU'VE HEARD SOME OF THE HISTORY OF THE SITE AND THE CONDITIONS FROM THE PETITIONER.

THIS HISTORY IS ALSO DETAILED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

AS YOU MAY RECALL, THIS PETITION WAS FIRST BEFORE YOU A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.

IT WAS CONTINUED AT THE TIME. THERE NEEDED TO BE SOME CLARIFICATION ON SOME OF THE PLAN SHEETS THE LANDSCAPE AND LIFE SAFETY PLAN.

ALSO, THERE WAS A LOT OF DISCUSSION, AS YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT CIRCULATION AND CONGESTION IN THE PARKING LOT.

AND THEY DECIDED TO RETURN WITH SOME MODIFIED PLANS AND SOME TWEAKS AND AND THERE'S MORE SPECIFIC AND THAT HAS BEEN DONE.

AND THAT'S BEFORE YOU NOW. WITHOUT REHASHING EVERYTHING, I THINK I'LL JUST GO OVER QUICKLY.

THE TOTAL COMMERCIAL USES FOR ALL THE PROPERTIES INVOLVED.

AND THIS INCLUDES THE REQUEST FOR THE OUTDOOR DINING, WHICH WILL BE COMING BEFORE YOU IN A MOMENT, REQUIRES 85 SPACES. THIS IS 72 FOR THE MOORINGS PLAZA AND ALL THE BUSINESSES THERE.

11 FOR THE REAL ESTATE PROPERTY OFFICE TO THE SOUTH AND TWO FOR THE OUTDOOR DINING.

THE PETITIONER PROPOSES TO SATISFY THE REQUIREMENTS WITH 94 SPACES.

AND THIS INCLUDES THE 63 IN THE MORNINGS THAT ARE ACTUALLY IN THE FRONT AND THE BACK.

TEN AT THE REAL ESTATE PROPERTY OFFICE TO THE SOUTH.

11 IN THE CITY OWNED LOT, WHICH IS TO THE SOUTHEAST, AND TEN SPACES IN THE FDOT LEASE LOT TO THE EAST.

SO THEY NEED THE 85. AND WITH THE COMBINATION OF THIS, THEY'RE PROVIDING 94.

THE PETITION WAS NOTICED TO ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 1000FT OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.

STAFF HAS INCLUDED SOME CORRESPONDENCE THAT CAME FROM SOME OF THE TENANTS THAT ARE ADDED TO THE AGENDA PACKET IN SUPPORT OF THIS. THE CONDITIONAL USE PETITION WAS ORIGINALLY BEFORE PAB IN JUNE.

THE PAB RECOMMENDED AT THE TIME A VOTE OF APPROVAL 4 TO 3 THEY HAD THREE CONDITIONS AT THE TIME.

THE FIRST ONE SHOULD COUNCIL APPROVE PETITION 25 OD EIGHT FOR THE OUTDOOR DINING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY FOR JIMMY P'S CHARGE, LOCATED AT 1823 THROUGH 1840 ONE NINTH STREET NORTH, WITHIN THE MOORINGS PLAZA.

THE WRITTEN AGREEMENT REQUIRED BY THE CODE OF ORDINANCES SECTION 5102, MUST BE RECORDED WITH THE CLERK OF THE CIRCUIT COURT PRIOR TO THE COMMENCEMENT OF THE EXPANDED OUTDOOR DINING AT THE RESTAURANT. NUMBER TWO, SHOULD THE COUNCIL APPROVE THE PETITION 20 508 FOR OUTDOOR DINING ON PRIVATE PROPERTY FOR JIMMY P'S CHARRED RESTAURANT, LOCATED AT 1823 THROUGH 1840 ONE NINTH STREET NORTH, WITHIN THE MOORINGS PLAZA, THE PETITIONER SHALL RECEIVE THE REQUISITE CITY AND FDOT APPROVALS PRIOR TO MAKING ANY SITE CHANGES CONCERNING CONTROLLED ACCESS, CIRCULATION, ONE WAY MOVEMENTS AND DIRECTIONAL SIGNAGE, AND THIS IS IN RELATION TO WHAT YOU SEE BEFORE YOU NOW AS FAR AS THE UPDATED PLAN. AND THEN, OF COURSE, NUMBER THREE, THE CITY RESERVES THE RIGHT TO REQUIRE MODIFICATIONS TO THE SITE PARKING LOT.

SHALL THERE BE IDENTIFIED TRAFFIC CIRCULATION PROBLEMS OR ADDITIONAL DEFICIENCIES.

SO THAT INCLUDES OR THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS.

BASICALLY, THE PARKING IS SHOWN TO BE PROVIDED IN EXCESS WITH THE FOUR PARCELS THERE, AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE TO ALLOW TO EXECUTE THE PARKING AGREEMENT TO SUPPORT THE ADDITIONAL SPACES FOR OUTDOOR DINING, WHICH WILL COME BEFORE YOU IN A MOMENT. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL QUESTIONS? OKAY. YES. COUNCILMAN KRISEMAN.

SO I JUST THE THE PROPOSED CIRCUIT, AND I KNOW MISS PICKETT'S HERE, AND PERHAPS SHE COULD COME FORWARD. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE STAFF CONFIRM THAT THE THAT THE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION PLAN THAT HAS NOW BEING PUT FORWARD IS ONE THAT OUR CITY STAFF BELIEVES

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GOOD AFTERNOON ALLISON. FOR THE RECORD. AND YES, IN RESPONSE TO YOUR INQUIRY, WE DID.

I DID SIT DOWN WITH MR. TREBILCOCK WENT THROUGH AND HAD SOME SUGGESTIONS, AS HE NOTED IN HIS PRESENTATION, AND I AM SATISFIED WITH WHAT WAS PROPOSED. WE DID MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS BASED ON SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT I HAD, AND I THINK THIS IS THE BEST SCENARIO THAT WE HAVE WITH THE LAYOUT, THE EXISTING LAYOUT.

SO I DO FEEL LIKE THAT THE CIRCULATION PATTERN SHOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.

AND AND DID IT DID INCLUDE IN THE COMMENT AS WELL TO INDICATE IF THERE ARE ANY PROBLEMS IN THE FUTURE THAT IF THOSE ARE IDENTIFIED THAT WE DO HAVE THE OPTION TO MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS AS NEEDED.

AND JUST JUST TO EXTEND THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE THAT IT IT WILL BE IT CONTINUES TO BE TWO WAY IT WAS BEFORE. IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE TWO WAY AND AND BUT HOW WILL IT BE BETTER IN THE FUTURE WITH THIS CIRCULATION PLAN THAN IT IS CURRENTLY THE.

JUST BRIEFLY. WELL, THERE'S A FEW THINGS THAT WE DID MAKE SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO.

THE COMPACT PARKING I THINK WILL BE AN IMPROVEMENT.

THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT AS FAR AS THE EXISTING LAYOUT THAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE, THAT'S REALLY OUT OF OUR JURISDICTION, THE FDOT LEASE AREA. WE DO HAVE THAT TEMPORARY USE AREA AS WELL THAT WE DID TALK ABOUT.

WHEN THAT IS UP, THAT EXPIRES IN TWO YEARS, I THINK IT'S IN 2027.

WE MAY HAVE SOME ADJUSTMENTS THAT ARE MADE ON THAT SIDE OF THE, THE PROPERTY TO, TO ALSO MAKE SOME MINOR ADJUSTMENTS.

BUT I FEEL LIKE THE, THE TWO WAY FLOW IS USUALLY IT'S, IT'S GOING TO BE I THINK A WELL, IT'S A BETTER OPPORTUNITY THAN HAVING ONE WAY WHEN YOU HAVE SOME CONFLICTS AND CONFUSION SOMETIMES IN A PARKING AREA.

AND ESPECIALLY WITH THE PERCEIVED WITH THE WIDTH, THE WIDTH OF 24FT ACCOMMODATES TWO WAY TRAFFIC AND DOES MEET OUR CODE REQUIREMENT FOR AN ACCESS AISLE. OKAY. THANK YOU. I MUST SAY THAT THERE'S AN IMPROVEMENT AT LEAST FOR EXITING THE BUILDING IF, IF YOU WERE GOING TO HAVE THIS TWO WAY.

BUT AT THE TOP OF SHEET ONE EXHIBIT. IT SAYS FUTURE DRIVEWAY EXHIBIT.

SO, YES, THIS WAS JUST A CONCEPT. EXCUSE ME. I HAVEN'T GOTTEN INTO THIS ONE, BUT THIS WAS A CONCEPT THAT MR. ARENA HAD. WE'VE DEVELOPED AND, LIKE, TALKING TO THE PROPERTY OWNER IN THE NORTH THAT AT THE AT OUR CENTER, THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE NUMBER OF DRIVEWAYS AND STUFF THAT POTENTIALLY WE COULD ELIMINATE OUR, OUR NORTHERN DRIVEWAY AND HAVE A SHARED DRIVEWAY WITH THE BUSINESS TO THE NORTH, EXTEND THEIR NORTHBOUND TURN LANE AND HAVE IT THERE, AND THEN THEY COULD POTENTIALLY CLOSE THEIR OTHER DRIVEWAY SO WE COULD ELIMINATE TWO OF THE FOUR DRIVEWAYS ALONG THIS ROUTE OF ROAD.

IT WAS JUST A CONCEPT. AND AND THEN PULL THE SIDEWALK MORE FORWARD.

SO IT'S IT'S IN LINE WITH THE SIDEWALK THAT'S TO THE NORTH OF US IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC JUST AS AN OVERALL BENEFIT FOR EVERYONE.

THIS IS THIS IS THE THE IDEA OF DOING THIS, REALLY THAT THE FOLKS IN THE NORTH AREN'T QUITE READY FOR THAT.

BUT THIS WAS JUST A CONCEPT TO MAYBE IMPROVE OVERALL CONDITIONS.

AND I DON'T MEAN TO JUMP IN. I'M SORRY, BUT I JUST REALIZE THAT.

SORRY. OKAY. IS THAT IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? YEAH. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE, BEING THAT IT'S PART OF THE PACKET, THAT IT'S NOT BEING MOVING MOVING FORWARD FOR APPROVAL.

THANK YOU. YES. IT'S NOT IT WAS JUST A CONCEPT SPITBALLING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT, BUT BUT IT IS. I THINK IT IS A SENSIBLE APPROACH.

I'VE ACTUALLY FORWARDED IT TO THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION JUST TO SEE WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE ON IT AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

BECAUSE I ALWAYS LIKE TO ELIMINATE DRIVEWAYS WHENEVER WE CAN.

RIGHT. AND MR. ARENAS WILLING TO COMMIT TO DOING THAT. RIGHT. WHICH WE DISCUSSED. BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PROPERTY OWNER TO THE NORTH.

YES, MA'AM. YES. MEANWHILE, I SEE THE SIGN THAT SAYS YOU.

SORRY. OH. BACK HERE. I'M SORRY. YES. NOT THE FUTURE, BUT ON THE ONE BEING SUBMITTED FOR TODAY.

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OH. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. THANK. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET A TICKET IF THEY USE THAT DRIVER? YES, MA'AM. NO. WELL, THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT I'VE JUST.

I DID SEND TO THE DEPARTMENT AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK ON.

AS IF THERE'S A THOUGHT OF THIS, THIS DRIVEWAY NOT MAKING IF YOU'RE HEADING SOUTH ON THE ROAD INSTEAD OF MAKING THAT FIRST.

RIGHT. THAT'S A BIT OF A TIGHT TURN IS TO GO TO THE NEXT DRIVEWAY.

BUT IT STILL WOULD BE OPEN FOR ANYBODY THAT NEEDS TO MAKE A LEFT IN.

COMING ACROSS IT IS IMPORTANT TO KEEP IT. BUT THERE WAS A THOUGHT AND THE DEPARTMENT MAY SAY, YOU KNOW, THANKS, BUT NO THANKS. YOU KNOW BUT IT WAS JUST IT WAS JUST A THOUGHT TO, YOU KNOW, IN TERMS OF TO HELP DRIVERS GET IN THE CENTER A LITTLE EASIER, IS ALL.

THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. FURTHER QUESTIONS. COUNCIL.

I HAVE PETRANOFF. AND THEN VICE MAYOR. IT LOOKS LIKE THE BIG CHANGE THAT WAS MADE WAS YOU PUT IT, THEY PUT SOME COMPACT PARKING IN FRONT OF WHERE THEY'RE PROPOSING THE OUTDOOR DINING.

IS THAT THE BIGGEST CHANGE THAT IS ON THE SHEET FROM LAST TIME? THAT AND THE LAST VERSION THAT YOU SAW WAS ONE WAY IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING AS WELL.

AND THEN THERE IS ALSO SOME ADJUSTMENTS OVER WHERE IT'S THE THE HAND IS MOVING WHERE THERE WAS A PARKING SPACE THAT WAS MOVED.

FOR THIS THIS TURN AROUND THE EXISTING BUILDING, 1795.

THAT LAST PARKING SPACE WAS MOVED BEHIND THE BUILDING TO ALLOW FOR THAT RADIUS FOR THE TURNING RADIUS, FOR THE VEHICLES TO TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT CLEANER AROUND THAT, THAT TURN.

OKAY. AND AND YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE BECAUSE THE ISSUE THAT I MEAN, I GO TO GO TO JIMMY PEES A LOT IS THE FACT THAT IT IS IT IS ONE OF THE WORST PARKING LOTS IN THE CITY FOR ALMOST GETTING INTO AN ACCIDENT.

YOU KNOW, IT'S CROWDED. IT'S THERE ARE HUGE TRUCKS, VERY LONG TRUCKS THAT PARK THERE BECAUSE ESPECIALLY ON WHAT WAS IT? STATE. STATE. STATE. LUNCH. AND, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MONITOR THAT THESE ARE COMPACT CARS THAT ARE PARKING HERE AND NOT THE TRUCKS THAT ARE THE PATRONS OR A BIG CHUNK OF THE PATRONS OF JIMMY P'S.

AND WHAT IS THERE TO ADDRESS THE REST OF THESE PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE ABUTTING THE BUILDINGS? BECAUSE THAT'S PRETTY CHAOTIC, TOO, WITH TRUCKS POKING OUT.

AND I THINK THAT WAS THE ISSUE WE TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME.

SO WHAT MAKES THIS WORK NOW? WELL, I GUESS THE LAST TIME IT WASN'T MARKED AS COMPACT FOR THOSE PARKING SPACES, THOSE WERE MARKED AS REGULAR PARKING SPACES. SO JUST JUST THAT LITTLE HANDFUL.

YES. BECAUSE OF THEY EXTEND OUT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.

THEY IF YOU NOTICE BETWEEN THE ONES OVER THAT ARE MARKED 19 TO THE SIDE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING THOSE ARE 19.5FT. THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE CODE COMPLIANT WITH A TYPICAL DIMENSION FOR A REGULAR PARKING SPACE AND FOR THE COMPACT SPACES, BECAUSE OF THE CONCERN THAT THAT WAS MY MY CONCERN WHEN WE SAT DOWN WAS, YES, THOSE I DON'T WANT THOSE LARGER TRUCKS PARKED IN THOSE THOSE SPACES THAT BUMP OUT THAT ARE BUMPED OUT SLIGHTLY WHERE THE PATIO AREA IS. AND BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THESE LARGE TRUCKS AND THIS IS COMMON WITH ANY PARKING LOT, WE HAVE THESE EXTRA LARGE TRUCKS. AND THEN THEY, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THEY HAVE THE TAILGATE ON THE BACK AND IT JUST IT IMPACTS THE ACCESS. I'LL I'M SAYING I'M SAYING IT'S STILL CROWDED IN THE, YOU KNOW, BESIDE THE COMPACTS, THERE'S STILL ISSUES ON THE PARKING SPOTS THAT ARE BUTTING THE REST OF THE MALL.

AND PROPORTIONATELY, THERE SEEMS TO BE A LOT MORE OF THESE LONGER TRUCKS THAN IN A TYPICAL PARKING LOT BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF OF THE RETAIL THAT'S IN THERE.

SO IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE WE'RE DOING THESE ARE STILL GOING TO BE THE SAME SMALL SPACE BETWEEN PARKING ON ON THE EAST SIDE AND PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE.

SO YOU'RE SAYING THE OTHER THE OTHER PARKING SPACES IN IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING THAT ARE MARKED THERE 19.5FT DEEP? THAT'S THAT'S A TYPICAL PARKING SPACE. AND THAT DOES MEET OUR CODE REQUIREMENT 5103 OF THE CODE FOR THE DIMENSIONING.

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SO SO THAT'S TYPICAL. SO IF YOU GO BACK TO THE COMPACT SPOTS, HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE MONITORED? IF THAT'S A SOLUTION, IT'S ONLY AS GOOD AS WHAT IS MONITORED.

AND, AND UNFORTUNATELY THAT THE, THE WAY THAT THOSE THAT ARE SIGNED.

I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE ANYONE THAT TYPICALLY DRIVES AROUND A CHECK TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW IF PD HANDS OUT TICKETS FOR FOR NOT FOLLOWING ON.

YEAH. SO NOT IF. SO IT'S GOING TO GO OUTSIDE AND MAKE SURE THEY MOVE THEIR CAR.

YOU DON'T WANT TO MAKE JIMMY MAD. YEAH. IT'S ALL IT'S MORE THE HONOR SYSTEM.

I MEAN THERE REALLY IS. YOU KNOW WHAT? YOU KNOW, THERE IS A LEGITIMATE SAFETY CONCERN AND CROWD CONCERN WITH WITH NO ENFORCEMENT.

THAT IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE ON THIS. YES. ANY WAY YOU WANT IT.

YEAH. AND THE CODE DOES ALLOW A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF REQUIRED PARKING TO BE COMPACT SPACES.

AND THAT'S ANYWHERE IN THE CITY. AND IT IS JUST THAT KIND OF HONOR SYSTEM AND MAKES MAKING SURE YOU'RE NOT BLOCKING A DRIVE AISLE.

YEAH. WELL JUST TO THAT POINT, I'M SORRY. I'M JUST SAYING IN PD WON'T BE DRIVING AROUND ENFORCING THAT.

I JUST WANTED THAT TO BE ON THE RECORD. COUNCILWOMAN.

CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION ON THAT? JUST SO ARE THE.

IT APPEARS TO BE THAT THE PARKING IN FRONT OF THE TWO WAY PARKING SEEMS TO BE LONGER THAN THE PARKING SPACES CLOSE TO THE BUILDING. THERE ARE A SERIES OF WE HAVE WE HAVE REQUIRED DIMENSIONS FOR CERTAIN ANGLED ANGLES OF PARKING SPACES.

SO FOR A 90 DEGREE PARKING SPACE, WE HAVE A REQUIRED DIMENSIONS, WIDTH AND LENGTH OF A PARKING STALL.

BUT THERE ARE A SERIES OF YOU CAN SEE ON THIS PLAN, THE FIVE THAT ARE RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE PLANTERS, BECAUSE THE ADDITION OF THOSE PLANTERS SEPARATING THE OUTDOOR DINING FROM THE PARKING LOT, THE ADDITION OF THOSE PLANTERS HAS SHRUNK THOSE PARKING SPACES.

THOSE PARKING SPACES ARE SHORTER. YEAH. I WAS TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION TO COUNCILMAN'S CONCERN ABOUT THE TRUCKS.

AND IF THE PREFERRED PARKING FOR THOSE LONGER TRUCKS THAT SHE'S MENTIONING COULD PARK IN THOSE DIAGONAL.

THAT IS THAT IS HOW THIS IS SET UP. THAT IS THE PREFERRED PARKING IS THAT THE LARGER TRUCKS WOULD PARK THERE.

BUT IT'S NOT IT DOESN'T IT'S NOT IT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY.

SO IT'S NOT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T ENFORCE THAT.

OH YEAH. OF COURSE NOT. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T HELP THAT MUCH.

SO. WELL, SO IN THE IN A CASE OF THIS, JUST TO GET AN UNDERSTANDING, SINCE THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A SOLUTION TO FIX AN ISSUE OF SAFETY IN A PARKING LOT, HOW HOW WILL WE MONITOR HOW WILL IT BE MONITORED? MAYBE THAT'S A THAT'S A QUESTION FOR THE PETITIONER.

WELL, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, LIKE LIKE ANY PARKING LOT AREA IN THE CITY, YOU HAVE LIKE COMPACT SPACES AND STUFF, AND THERE IS A BIT OF AN HONOR SYSTEM IN IT. I MEAN, GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE KNOW THAT WE RECOGNIZE THIS PARKING LOT HAS HAD, YOU KNOW, IS IS AN ISSUE. AND WE'VE SAID IT IN THE LAST MEETING.

YOU KNOW, AND IT'S A UNIQUE SET OF, OF, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT COME HERE, THERE'S MORE TRUCKS.

I WOULD I WOULD ARGUE ON AVERAGE THAT ARE LONGER.

WE'VE ALL EXPERIENCED IT BECAUSE WE ALL GO TO JIMMY P'S.

WHAT YOU KNOW, WHAT ASSURANCES DO DOES COUNCIL HAVE THAT THIS THIS IS GOING TO JUST STRIPING SOMETHING WITH COMPACT IS GOING TO DO ONE IOTA, ADD ONE IOTA OF SAFETY. WELL IT WILL AND IT YOU KNOW, AND ALSO FACTUALLY SPEAKING THERE IS THERE ISN'T A SAFETY ISSUE WITH THIS OVERALL CENTER.

AND THAT THAT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND. AND I THINK I PROVIDED THAT EVIDENCE TO YOU ALL.

BUT CURRENTLY THERE ARE NOT COMPACT PARKING INDICATED HERE.

AND SO THAT WAS A SMART ISSUE IDENTIFIED HERE, BECAUSE TYPICALLY YOU WOULDN'T PUT COMPACT AT THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION FOR A SITE BASED ON YOUR OWN CODE. BUT IT MAKES SENSE IN THIS CASE BECAUSE IT ALLOWS THIS AS KIND OF A TIGHTER CIRCULATION POINT.

AND SO THAT'S THE POINT OF IT. SO CURRENTLY THERE ARE NOT COMPACT DESIGNATED SPACES.

THERE WILL BE. AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL BE ABLE TO ENFORCE.

WHETHER IT'S IF YOU SEE A TRUCK SITTING THERE AND WELL YOU CAN, YOU CAN DENY SERVICE TO SOMEBODY.

HEY, THE GUY WITH THE BIG TRUCK, GET THAT OUT OF THERE.

I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN POLICE UP. AND THEY CAN AND, AND I, YOU KNOW, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE'RE A LAW ABIDING COMMUNITY HERE. BUT THERE, YOU KNOW, I KNOW PEOPLE GET EXCITED ON STEAK THURSDAY TO GET THEIR STEAK.

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SO WE ARE PROPOSING IT. SO I, I BELIEVE MY OPINION AND BELIEF IS YOU'RE GOING TO GET GOOD COMPLIANCE WITH THIS.

AND IT'S LOGICAL VERSUS THROWING ON SOMETHING THAT WOULDN'T BE LOGICAL FOR FOLKS.

THEN YOU'RE GOING TO RUN INTO COMPLIANCE ISSUES. BUT I BELIEVE WE WOULD HAVE COMPLIANCE HERE.

SO. YEAH. SPACE IS AT A MARKED COMPACT. OH. ONE SECOND. WAIT A MINUTE. SMALLER THAN. OH, YOU GOT TO GO UP TO HERE.

YEAH. THEY ARE STANDARD SIZE. ACTUALLY THEY ARE STANDARD SIZE.

AND REALLY THE CAR CAN FIT IN THEM AND BE PERFECTLY FINE, BUT THEY REALLY THE IDEA OF THE SIGN IS MORE TO PREVENT A TRUCK OR A LONG BED PICKUP TRUCK TO DO GET IN THERE FROM TIME TO TIME, BECAUSE THEY ARE ABOUT TWO FEET LONGER THAN A REGULAR CAR.

THEY DO STICK OUT AND THEY COULD CREATE A PROBLEM.

SO TO TRY TO KEEP THOSE KINDS OF CARS OUT OF THERE.

WE'RE CALLING IT A COMPACT SPACES, BUT RECOGNIZING THAT IF A REGULAR CAR GOES IN THERE, IT'S GOING TO FIT. AND IT'S JUST REALLY MAYBE YOU COULD SAY NO TRUCKS IF HE FELT BETTER ABOUT THAT.

BUT THE IDEA IS THAT IT'LL TAKE CARE OF OF MOST PEOPLE WHO AREN'T GOING TO PROBABLY DRIVE IN IN A SMALL TRUCK OR A FLATBED AND TAKE A COMPACT MARKED SPACE. SO I THINK THAT IT'S A DETERRENT AND AND IT, YOU KNOW, IN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A BETTER WAY TO DO IT, I DON'T KNOW, YOU COULD SAY NO TRUCKS, BUT THAT'S THE SAME THING. AND CLEARLY MOST PEOPLE, I THINK, WILL ABIDE BY THAT GUIDELINE. AND SO I DO THINK THAT THAT THE SPACES ARE, ARE THE, THEY'RE MARKED COMPACT TO DISCOURAGE TRUCK, NOT A REGULAR CAR, THOUGH THEY, THEY WILL BE USED IN A NORMAL WAY. EXCEPT THAT HOPEFULLY THE TRUCK WON'T GO IN THERE.

AND IF IT DOES, ANY OF OUR EMPLOYEES WILL HOPEFULLY TELL THEM YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PARK THERE.

BUT IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS BECAUSE THOSE SPACES ARE BACK UP AGAINST THE DRIVEWAY, AND IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS IF SOMEONE'S DRIVING A TRUCK, IT HAS.

HAPPENED, BUT VERY RARELY AND VERY SELDOM SEE A TRUCK TRYING TO GET INTO THOSE SPACES.

I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. THIS PARKING LOT REMINDS ME A LOT OF THE TRADER JOE'S PARKING LOT NORTH ON ON, YOU KNOW, ON CREEKSIDE. YEAH. AND IT'S A THAT'S ANOTHER TWO WAY THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, ALWAYS LIKE YOU'RE IN A VIDEO GAME TRYING TO AVOID SOMEBODY.

SO HE WAS CORRECT THOUGH BY CODE THE THE DIMENSION THAT IS REQUIRED, THE STALL LENGTH THAT IS REQUIRED FOR 90 DEGREE PARKING IS 18FT.

AND SO THESE SPACES WHILE THEY'RE MARKING THEM COMPACT, THEY ARE 18FT, WHICH IS THE SAME DIMENSION AS THE SPACES CLOSER TO 41.

SO THEY'RE FULL LENGTH SPACES. I THINK THEY'RE JUST MARKING THEM COMPACT TO ENCOURAGE THE SMALLER CARS TO KEEP THAT DRIVE AISLE OPEN.

BUT THEY DO MEET THE THE CURB LENGTH REQUIREMENT FOR A 90 DEGREE SPACE, A FULL SIZE SPACE.

OKAY. AND DOES IT MEET THE THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT, THE PARKING ON THE WEST SIDE FROM THE PARKING ON THE EAST SIDE. THAT SPACE IS HOW MANY FEET IS 24FT.

AND AND ACTUALLY I BELIEVE NORM, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT I BELIEVE IN THE LAST ITERATION, IF YOU LOOK ON THE SIDE CLOSEST TO THE BUILDING, I BELIEVE THOSE ARE MARKED AS 19.5FT.

SO YOU DO HAVE AN EXTRA ONE FOOT AND A HALF BUILT INTO THAT.

AND I THINK YOU FROM MY RECOLLECTION, NORM WE, WE DISCUSSED THAT.

I THINK HE WAS ABLE TO GAIN A LITTLE BIT OF SPACE UP NEAR THAT FRONT TO, TO TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE LENGTH AS WELL.

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YEAH. I WAS SMARTER THAN, THAN I AM NOW. THANK YOU.

YEAH SHE'S RIGHT. THEY ACTUALLY DO HAVE THAT ADDITIONAL LENGTH YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THEY'RE PUTTING A HAT.

SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU I HAVE VICE MAYOR CRAMER AND THEN.

PITTMAN. ALL RIGHT, REAL QUICKLY FOR THE STAFF.

EVERYTHING LOOKS REALLY GOOD HERE. I THINK WE'VE GOT SOMETHING WE CAN WORK WITH. COULD YOU DESCRIBE ANY SITE PLAN ELEMENTS PROVIDING FOR BICYCLE PARKING? I DON'T BELIEVE. IS THAT IMPORTANT FOR US OR NO.

ARE WE OKAY WITH BIKES JUST BEING PUT ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IN THE SIDEWALK? ET-CETERA. A REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE A BIKE RACK.

THERE ARE INCENTIVES TO PROVIDE A BIKE RACK, BUT IT'S NOT A OKAY.

THEY DO PROVIDE IT IN THE BACK. I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT, BUT THEY DO PROVIDE A BIKE PARKING IN THE BACK.

I JUST DON'T HAVE IT ON THE PLAN HERE INDICATED.

BUT BUT BUT IT IS PROVIDED. YEAH. OKAY. YES, SIR.

I'M SORRY. YEAH. AND FOR STAFF. THANK YOU. OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE A REQUIREMENT, SO IT'S NOT EXPECTED IN THIS PACKET, BUT WE HAVE A BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN MASTER PLAN PROMOTING BICYCLE INFRASTRUCTURE.

YOU MIGHT JUST WANT TO GIVE SOME THOUGHTS TO THAT, BECAUSE IF WE DO HAVE BIKE PARKING IN THE BACK, WE JUST DON'T WANT TO BE PROBLEMATIC IN THESE TIGHT CONFINES THROUGH THE ACCESS ON THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, ETC.. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAD, MADAM MAYOR.

THANK YOU. KRAMER. I'LL SEE THAT IN THE INTEREST OF TIME.

AND I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION AS SOON AS WE'RE READY. DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION, MR. KRAMER, WOULD YOU PLEASE PROCEED WITH YOUR MOTION? OKAY, I JUST WANT. I HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. NO, MY MY ACTUAL REMARK WAS THAT THEY THEY THE DEMAND, THE PARKING DEMAND REQUIRED 93 SPACES AND THEY'VE GOT 84.

RIGHT. SO YOU'VE GOT YOU'VE GOT LATITUDE HERE.

IF, IF THERE IF THERE'S A PROBLEM ON THE PARKING LOT.

RIGHT. THERE'S 80, 85 WAS THE DEMAND AND 94 IS PROVIDED.

YES. YES MA'AM. WHAT'S ON HERE. YES. SO WE HAVE LATITUDE HERE.

IF FOR SOME REASON. YES. THAT'S THE. I THINK THAT'S THE IMPORTANT THING.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. JUST GARY COOPER.

GOOD AFTERNOON. STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. GARY COOPER, TWO, 82ND AVENUE SOUTH, NAPLES. NOW, GOOD AFTERNOON TO EVERYONE. I AM HERE AS A CITIZEN, BUT I AM THE ALTERNATE MEMBER TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD.

WE HAVE VOTED ON THIS ISSUE. BOTH PARTS OF IT, WHICH WE'RE ONLY DEALING WITH ONE NOW.

BUT ABOUT THE TRAFFIC FLOW IT WAS AN EASY DECISION, AND ALL THE POINTS WERE BROUGHT UP.

NONE OF THE POINTS THAT WERE. I THINK THE COMMON SENSE ONES ARE REALLY BEING CONSIDERED HERE WHICH IS THE WAY PEOPLE DRIVE.

THEY HAVE. I'M SORRY. JUST AS A POINT OF ORDER.

IS HE SPEAKING FOR A BOARD RIGHT NOW? HE SAID, DID YOU SAY YOU'RE SPEAKING FOR YOURSELF AS A CITIZEN? I'M SPEAKING. I'M SORRY. I'M SPEAKING FOR MYSELF AS A CITIZEN.

BUT I WAS REFERRING TO THE FACT THAT I AM ON THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AS AN ALTERNATE MEMBER, AND WE DID VOTE ON THIS ISSUE. BUT AS A CITIZEN TODAY, WHICH I ALLUDED TO, BUT MAYBE NOT SAID FULLY, I, I, I I'M NOT THE BIGGEST CUSTOMER UP TO THAT PARKING LOT, BUT HAVE BEEN THERE MANY TIMES.

PEOPLE ARE PULLING OUT EVERY WHICH WAY. SO, SO WHEN THEY CAME UP WITH THE IDEA, THE ONE WAY, IT SEEMED LIKE A GREAT SOLUTION TO SAFETY, WHICH I THINK IS WHY I'M SPEAKING ABOUT TODAY, IS SAFETY.

SO THEY PEOPLE WILL GO IN EITHER WAY, PULL OUT THE SIZE OF THE TRUCK OR WHATEVER THE CAR WILL PULL OUT, AND ONE GUY IS PULLING OUT AND THERE ARE PEOPLE LIKE TO BACK INTO SPACES NOW TOO.

THAT'S THE NEW WAY TO DRIVE. SO SO YOU HAVE A LOGJAM WHERE ONE GUY IS GOING THIS WAY, ONE GUY'S GOING THIS WAY, ANOTHER GUY'S TRYING TO PULL OUT, ANOTHER GUY'S TRYING TO COME IN. THE GAS STATION, WHICH THEY REFERRED TO, DOES NOT WANT ANY PARTS OF THIS STUFF. SO PEOPLE USED TO GO ACROSS THE GAS STATION TO GET IN THERE FROM THE BACK, FROM MANDARIN. THEY NOW PUT CARS THERE. SO YOU CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE PEOPLE WERE COMING BY THEIR GAS PUMPS AND SO THEY'RE NOT LIKELY TO COOPERATE.

BUT THE POINT IS, PEOPLE, THERE'S NO WAY TO MAKE THE PEOPLE GO INTO SOME KIND OF A FLOW.

SO THEY'LL GO TO WHATEVER DRIVEWAY THEY THINK THEY WANT TO GO.

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SOMEBODY BACKING OUT. THERE'S NO WAY TO COMMON SENSE TO FLOW THE TRAFFIC.

THE ONLY WAY TO DO IT IS TO IF THE PEOPLE HAVE TO GO ONE WAY IN AND WHEN THEY BACK OUT OF THEIR SPACE, HOWEVER, THEY DID THAT TO GO THIS WAY TO THE RIGHT AND THEN GO AND THEN EXIT AND THAT THAT'S REALLY MY COMMENT.

IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE IN A PLACE LIKE THAT, ESPECIALLY WHERE JIMMY P'S IS THE HEAVY USER OF THE OF THE IS TO NOT ALLOW MAKE PEOPLE COME HAVE COMMON SENSE AND MAKE THEM GO ONE WAY BECAUSE THEY WON'T DO IT ANY OTHER WAY.

AND THAT'S THE SAFETY ISSUE. I THINK THAT WAS BROUGHT UP AND THAT'S THAT'S MY COMMENTS.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. I HAVE A PETITIONER'S CLOSING REMARKS.

EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU. YES. THANK YOU FOR APPROVAL.

OH I'LL SAY ONE OTHER THING ABOUT THE PARKING.

I HAVE HAD NOTHING BUT COMPLIMENTS ON THE PARKING SINCE WE WERE ABLE TO ADD THE NEW SPACES ON THE LAND THAT USED TO BE GREENLAND ALONG THE 41.

THOSE TEN SPACES. AND FROM A PRACTICAL POINT OF VIEW, RIGHT NOW, WE THINK ABOUT THE PEAKS AND VALLEYS OF OUR OF OUR NEEDS. JIMMY P'S PEAK ESTATE WENT TO THE THURSDAY, A FAMOUS TIME PERIOD FOR TWO HOURS.

AND AND THEN WHEN THE CENTER MIGHT BE FULL. BUT THEN AGAIN, I NOTICED THAT JIMMY, EVEN IN ON STATE DAYS, HAS TEN, 15, 20 PEOPLE WAITING TO GET IN TO EAT. NOW, HOW DID THOSE 20 PEOPLE GET THERE IF THEY DIDN'T PARK THERE? AND SECONDLY, IF WE ADD SOME TABLES TO THE MIX, WE CAN GET THOSE 20 PEOPLE EAT FED AND OUT, REDUCING TURNOVER OR IMPROVING TURNOVER SO THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY FREEING SPACES.

SO I'M SAYING THAT ALTHOUGH THE CENTER, YOU KNOW, TRADITIONALLY HAS NOT HAD ADEQUATE PARKING TODAY. I BELIEVE IT DOES, AND I THINK IT DOES BY CODE.

AND I THINK IT DOES BY PRACTICALITY. BECAUSE IF WE TURN THE THE PEOPLE OVER FASTER BY HAVING MORE SEATS TO FEED THEM, THEN YOU'RE FREEING PARKING SPACES.

IF YOU CONSIDER TWO PEOPLE TO A CAR WHEN THERE ARE 20 PEOPLE IN LINE, WHICH HAPPENS EVERY THURSDAY TO GET IN THERE, THERE'S TEN PARKING SPACES THAT ARE TAKEN LONGER THAN THEY SHOULD BE BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WOULDN'T GET THERE AND GET IN LINE UNLESS THEY PARKED. SO MY POINT IS THAT THAT ADDING SEATS IMPROVES TURNOVER. ADDING TURNOVER IMPROVES PARKING.

IF YOU'RE IN A RESTAURANT WAITING TO GET IN, YOU'RE NOT WORRIED ABOUT HAVING GOTTEN THERE IN PARK.

YOU'RE WORRIED THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A TABLE. AND SO THE ADDITIONAL SEATING PLACE BOTH WAYS.

IT IMPROVES THE TURNOVER IN OUR PARKING LOT, THEREBY REDUCING THE NEED FOR THE SPACES, AND ALSO IMPROVES THE CUSTOMERS WELL-BEING TO ENJOY HER OR HIS LUNCH.

I THINK I'LL LEAVE THAT AS ANOTHER THOUGHT. JUST REQUEST YOUR APPROVAL.

THANK YOU. AND WE'LL FOLLOW THE STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS AND THE CODE CRITERIA.

SECTION 51 02B2 AS WELL. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT.

THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU GUYS. I HAVE THIS. BUT BEFORE WE ENTERTAIN A MOTION, I JUST WANTED TO SPECIFICALLY ASK COUNCIL

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YES. THANK YOU. I HAD DISCUSSED THIS WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, AND THEN I FORGOT.

BUT IN DISCLOSURES, I WANTED TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT MR. ARENA IS A CLIENT OF MINE ON MY INSURANCE SIDE OF THE EQUATION, HOWEVER, NOT FOR THIS LOCATION.

SO WE DO GO BACK AND WE'VE GOT HISTORY, BUT AGAIN, NOT THIS LOCATION, BUT IS A CLIENT.

THANK YOU. THAT SATISFY AND AND YOU HE WILL RECEIVE NO PERSONAL BENEFIT FROM A DECISION THAT HE MAKES TODAY.

THAT'S CORRECT. MY MY MY CHOICES HERE TODAY WILL STILL BE PRAGMATIC, PRACTICAL AND COMMONSENSICAL.

NOTHING FURTHER. COUNCILMEMBER KRAMER, I'M WILLING TO MAKE A MOTION UNLESS YOU HAVE A QUESTION, SIR. I WAS GOING TO DO THE SAME. PLEASE GO RIGHT AHEAD.

OKAY. AND WE KIND OF GOT ELSEWHERE. SO JUST TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS A RESOLUTION DETERMINING CONDITIONAL USE PETITION RELATING TO THE PARKING AT 20 5Q4. YEP. OKAY. SO CONDITIONAL USE PETITION 20 5Q4. IT HAS TO DO WITH PARKING RIGHT NOW. AND THEY'VE MET ALL OF OUR CODES AND ORDINANCES AND FDOT REQUIREMENTS.

YES. ACTUALLY GOT A LITTLE BIT ABOVE AND BEYOND WITH THE SIGNS THAT AREN'T REQUIRED, BUT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PUT UP REGARDING COMPACT CARS.

AND THEY HAVE IN EXCESS OF SPACES TOO, SIR. YES.

SO AND EXCESSIVE SPACES. EXACTLY. THANK YOU. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT FOR THAT GENEROSITY.

SO WITH THAT I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE ITEM 12 B THIS RESOLUTION DETERMINING CONDITIONAL USE PETITION 20 5Q4 SECOND.

I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CRAMER AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN.

MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL. VICE MAYOR.

HUTCHISON. HUTCHINSON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN.

YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. CRISMAN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER.

BARTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER.

PETRANOFF. YES. MAYOR. YES. THANK YOU. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

THANK YOU FOR SPENDING YOUR DAY WITH US. GOOD LUCK.

MAYOR, JUST TO CLARIFY. JUST TO CLARIFY, AND I JUST FOR THE RECORD, THAT THAT MOTION INCLUDED THE STAFF PROPOSED CONDITIONS IN THE RESOLUTION.

YES. YEAH. THANK YOU. YES IT DID. THAT MOTION INCLUDED THE STAFF PROPOSED RECOMMENDATIONS.

THANK YOU. WE'LL GO TO ITEM 12 C. RESOLUTION DETERMINING OUTDOOR DINING 2508.

[12.C) A Resolution Determining Outdoor Dining Petition 25-OD8 Establishing Outdoor Dining on Private Property to Include Five (5) Tables and Twenty (20) Chairs for the Restaurant Known as Jimmy P's Charred on Property Owned by Hygate Properties, LLC, and Located at 1833 9th Street North; More Fully Described Herein; Providing for Scrivener's Errors; and Providing an Effective Date.]

MORE FULLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, PROVIDING FOR SCRIVENER'S ERRORS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. MADAM CLERK.

OH, WAIT. WE'RE GOING TO DO A SWEARING IN. MR., YOU'RE INTENDING TO TESTIFY? IF YOU COULD PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE IS THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU.

GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. SCANGARELLO. THROWN A LITTLE BIT OF A CURVEBALL HERE BECAUSE DISCLOSURE.

OH. I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. NO WORRIES. COUNCIL MEMBER.

FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE? NO CONTACT. FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.

COMMUNICATION WITH STAFF. FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.

DISCUSSION WITH STAFF. ONLY FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.

AND SPOKE WITH STAFF ABOUT THIS. FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE? NO COMMENT. VICE MAYOR CONTACT YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE? CUSTOMER AT THE BUSINESS. HAVE HAD CONTACT WITH PETITIONER'S AGENT AND SPOKEN WITH STAFF AT A PREVIOUS POINT IN TIME.

NO, NO OTHER CONTACT FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE, SPOKEN WITH THE PETITIONER'S AGENT AND NO FURTHER CONTACT NOW.

MR.. SO I WAS THROWN A LITTLE BIT OF A CURVEBALL BECAUSE AT THE LAST HEARING IT WAS DECIDED THAT THIS APPLICATION FOR OUTDOOR DINING AND THE APPLICATION FOR CONDITIONAL USE WOULD BE TREATED AS COMPANION APPLICATIONS, NOT ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER. AND WHAT'S HAPPENED TODAY IS I SEE THAT THAT'S NOT TRUE.

WE HAD ATTEMPTED TO MOVE FORWARD IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION WITH THE APPLICATION FOR OUTDOOR DINING AND THE APPLICATION FOR CONDITIONAL USE.

THE APPLICATION FOR ADDITIONAL DINING GOES FROM FIVE TABLES TO 20 SEATS.

RIGHT NOW IT'S THREE AND SIX, AND WE'D HOPE TO MOVE IN A POSITIVE DIRECTION BECAUSE WE THOUGHT THAT THIS WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MEANINGFUL CHANGE.

BASED UPON THE PETITION THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AND THE PETITION THAT

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AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. WHAT HAPPENED AFTER THE LAST HEARING IS THAT THERE WERE A COUPLE OF MEETINGS HELD AND IN AN ATTEMPT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH A COMPLETE APPLICATION WITH IN AN ORDERLY MANNER I WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE MR. ARENA AND HIS REPRESENTATIVE DECIDED TO START SUBMITTING INFORMATION AND DATA TO TO STAFF WITHOUT MY KNOWLEDGE ABOUT IT. AND THAT WENT ON FOR A WHILE UNTIL I ASKED THEM NOT TO DO IT, BUT IT CONTINUED. AND WHEN THE PETITION WAS SENT IN FOR TO BE HELD TO BE FOR TONIGHT, FOR TODAY'S HEARING I DISCOVERED THAT MOST OF THE MATERIAL THAT I HAD SUBMITTED WAS TAKEN OUT.

ONE OF THE KEY INGREDIENTS OF THAT WAS A TESTIMONY AND UNIVERSAL TESTIMONY WITH RESPECT TO THE QUESTION THAT MISS, MISS, MISS PETRANOFF RAISED ABOUT ONE WAY TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS AND TWO WAY TRAFFIC MOVEMENTS AND THE SAFETY INVOLVED WITH THAT. BUT I CAN SEE FROM WHAT'S HAPPENED HERE IS THAT THAT SAFETY IS NOT AS PARAMOUNT AN ISSUE AS P-AB PAB THOUGHT IT WAS, AND CERTAINLY, AS OTHER EXPERTS THINK THAT IT IS.

AND I AM CONCERNED THAT THERE'S BEEN A LITTLE BIT OF DISRESPECT FOR PAB.

THERE'S BEEN DISRESPECT FOR THE GUIDELINES THAT YOU HAVE ESTABLISHED AS CITY COUNCIL FOR SUBMITTAL OF PETITIONS. HAVING SAID THAT, NEVERTHELESS, IT'S IMPORTANT TO SATISFY MR. PEPPER IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE WITH RESPECT TO WHAT IT IS THAT HE WANTS TO DO.

AND STAFF REPORT INDICATED LAST TIME AROUND THAT WE WERE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE OUTDOOR DINING REQUEST AND THE CONDITIONS OF CODE.

I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S NECESSARY TO REPEAT THOSE BECAUSE WE ARE ALL IN AGREEMENT WITH THAT.

WHAT WE ALSO DID WAS THERE WAS A REQUEST FROM MR..

THERE IS A REQUEST FROM COUNCIL MEMBER HUTCHINSON WITH RESPECT TO ACCESS FROM THE BUILDING TO THE PARKING LOT.

AND SO THIS PLAN INDICATES THAT SEPARATION BETWEEN THE LANDSCAPING TO THE TO THE PARKING LOT.

SO WE HAVE DONE ESTHETIC IMPROVEMENTS TO THE TO THE SITE.

WE HAVE DONE AN IMPROVED LIFE SAFETY PLAN. WE HAVE INCREASED THE DIMENSION FROM THE BUILDING TO WHERE THE TABLES AND CHAIRS ARE TO OVER THREE FEET. AND THOSE ARE ALL ISSUES THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT AT, AT PAB AND ALSO ISSUES THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT AT CITY COUNCIL AND THINGS THAT WE HAVE DONE IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE IN ORDER TO ACCOMMODATE A SAFER PLAN WITH RESPECT TO WITH RESPECT TO THE OUTDOOR DINING. AS I SAID, WE'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH WITH WITH STAFF REPORT.

AND I'M SURE MR. BRAMMER WILL WILL REITERATE THAT.

SO THE REST OF MY PRESENTATION HAD TO DEAL WITH THESE TWO APPLICATIONS BEING MARRIED AND OUR ATTEMPT TO PRESENT TO CITY COUNCIL IN A WORD THAT WAS USED EARLIER, A MORE MEANINGFUL CHANGE TO CREATING A SAFER PARKING LOT. I DON'T THINK THAT THAT IS AN ISSUE NOW THAT CITY COUNCIL HAS VOTED ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PLAN. SO I THINK THE SAFETY IN THE PARKING LOT IS SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE CORRECTED.

AND I WILL HAVE TO REPORT THAT TO MY FRIENDS AND TO YOU MEMBERS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THAT HAVE ASKED ME TO DO WHATEVER I CAN TO CREATE A SAFER PARKING LOT, AND I'M NOT ABLE I'VE FAILED TO DO THAT.

SO HOPEFULLY, IN SUMMARY, YOU ALL WILL SEE THAT THE WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH RESPECT

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TO SATISFY THIS PETITION ONCE AGAIN, LIFE SAFETY PLAN HAS BEEN SATISFIED.

THE CODE REQUIREMENTS HAVE BEEN SATISFIED. WE HAVE WANTED TO BE IN A POSITION WHERE WE COULD MOVE IN A MORE POSITIVE DIRECTION WITH REGARD TO SAFETY, BUT I CAN SEE THAT THAT'S NOT ABOUT TO HAPPEN.

WE'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO WE'D LIKE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO REINFORCE THE FINDINGS OF THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD.

AND THAT DAY AS WELL, MADAM MAYOR. EXCUSE ME.

POINT OF ORDER. ARE WE TALKING ABOUT WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? SAFETY HERE? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THEIR OUTDOOR DINING? CAN WE PLEASE LET THE PETITIONER CONTINUE WITH.

THAT'S A VALID QUESTION. IT'S AN AGENDA ITEM.

HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SAFETY. IT HAD TO DO WITH SAFETY.

IT HAD TO DO WITH SAFETY. WHENEVER. RIGHT NOW, THIS IS FOR OUTDOOR DINING.

CAN WE TALK ABOUT OUTDOOR DINING? PLEASE LET THE PETITIONER CONTINUE ON WITH HIS OUTDOOR DINING PETITION.

AS I SAID IN SUMMARY, WHAT WE'VE DONE FOR THE OUTDOOR DINING IS WE'VE ASKED FOR AN ADDITIONAL WE'VE ASKED FOR FIVE TABLES AND 20 SEATS. WE'VE IMPROVED THE CONDITIONS WITH RESPECT TO THE BUILDING BY ADDING AN AWNING, BY ADDING LANDSCAPING, BY ADDING PLANTERS, AND BY SATISFYING COUNCILMAN HUTCHINSON'S REQUEST FOR AN OPENING BETWEEN THE OUTDOOR DINING AREA AND THE PARKING LOT. AND WE'VE SET BACK TABLES FROM THE FROM THE BUILDING TO BE AT LEAST THREE FEET, WHICH GIVES PLENTY OF ROOM IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LIFE SAFETY PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

AND I WOULD TRUST THAT YOU WOULD APPROVE THIS PLAN FOR OUTDOOR DINING.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. STAFF REPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM MAYOR.

COUNCIL. JEFF BROWN WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.

THIS IS THE SECOND PETITION FOR THE SAME ADDRESS.

AND THIS IS REALLY THE IMPETUS FOR THE FIRST.

IT'S A REQUEST FOR OUTDOOR DINING AT JIMMY P'S CHARRED, WHICH IN THIS CASE, TRIGGERS THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING AND THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL THAT YOU HAVE JUST HEARD AND APPROVED.

SPECIFICALLY, THE PETITIONER IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF FIVE TABLES AND 20 CHAIRS.

THESE ARE TO BE LOCATED IN FRONT OF THE RESTAURANT.

THEY'RE SCREENED BEHIND THE PLANTERS. AS THE PETITIONER SAID, THE LIFE SAFETY PLAN HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

THE OUTDOOR DINING AREA IS 360FT² PER CODE. OUTDOOR DINING REQUESTS OF MORE THAN 100FT² REQUIRE ADDITIONAL PARKING.

PARKING IS CALCULATED AT THREE SPACES PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.

IN THIS CASE, IT'S TWO SPACES. SINCE WE SINCE WE ROUND UP OUTDOOR DINING PETITION DID NOT GO BEFORE PAB.

THEY GO DIRECTLY TO YOU. THE PETITION WAS NOTICED TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 1000FT.

TO DATE, STAFF HAS RECEIVED NO PUBLIC CORRESPONDENCE CONCERNING THIS REQUEST.

SO SHOULD COUNCIL CHOOSE TO APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR OUTDOOR DINING? STAFF WOULD HAS TWO TWO CONDITIONS TO RECOMMEND.

I DON'T THINK THE SECOND ONE IS RELEVANT ANYMORE, BUT THE FIRST ONE IS OUTDOOR DINING AREAS LIMITED TO 360FT², WITH A MAXIMUM OF FIVE TABLES AND 20 CHAIRS, AS CONFIGURED IN THE APPROVED LIFE SAFETY PLAN.

ANY FUTURE EXPANSION, MODIFICATION OR ENHANCEMENT OF THIS OUTDOOR DINING USE SHALL REQUIRE CITY COUNCIL REVIEW AND APPROVAL.

I'LL READ THE SECOND ONE BECAUSE IT'S IT'S ON THEIR APPROVAL OF THIS OUTDOOR DINING REQUEST IS CONTINGENT UPON APPROVAL OF THE ACCOMPANYING CONDITIONAL USE FOR THE OFF SITE PARKING WITHIN 600FT, WHICH HAS BEEN APPROVED.

SO I GUESS THAT CAN BE STRUCK FROM THAT. THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS FOR STAFF.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL STAFF QUESTIONS. BARTON. IN REFERENCE TO THE LIFE SAFETY PLAN. ANY CONCERNS FROM OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT? REFERENCE TO HOW THAT'S SET UP AND ANY. ANY COMMENTS IN REFERENCE TO THAT? IS IT? WE'RE GOOD TO GO. AND THERE WERE NO THERE WERE NO CONCERNS FROM FROM OUR, OUR, OUR LIFE SAFETY EXPERTS.

NO, SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. NO, I THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION.

I WAS GOING TO ASK THE SAME THING, BUT I REALLY APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT NOW THE EGRESS OF THE CUSTOMERS ARE GOING TO HAVE AN OPTION OF GOING THROUGH

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SO LOOKS GOOD TO ME AND I'M READY TO SUPPORT IT.

THANK YOU. OKAY. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF.

MR. SCANGARELLO. DONE. CLOSING REMARKS. NONE.

OKAY. THANK YOU. HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL OR OUR DENIAL.

A MOTION TO APPROVE. I HAVE A MOTION BY PETITION 20 5-08.

CORRECT. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN.

SECOND AND A SECOND BY VICE MAYOR BEFORE, IF I MAY, MAYOR.

YES, SIR. BEFORE ROLL CALL. MADAM PENMAN. YES.

THAT MOTION INCLUDES JUST THE ONE CONDITION. RIGHT.

CONDITION NUMBER ONE, SINCE STAFF RECOMMENDED REMOVING CONDITION TWO. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD CONDITION NUMBER ONE.

THANK YOU. SECOND. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER.

PENMAN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. CRAMER. YES. VICE MAYOR.

HUTCHINSON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. CHRISTMAN. YES.

COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. YES.

MAYOR. HEITMANN. YES. THANK YOU. THAT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

AND THAT CONCLUDES 12 B, 12 C AND GOING TO A LUNCH BREAK.

20 MINUTES. IT'S 105 AND WE'LL COME BACK AND CONTINUE WITH 12 D OKAY.

OKAY. WE'RE BACK FROM LUNCH. AND WE'RE CONTINUING ON WITH ITEM 12 D MR.

[12.D) A Resolution Determining Variance Petition 25-V5 Pursuant to Sections 46-37, 56-41, 56-45, and 56-54 of the Code of Ordinances, City of Naples, to Allow a Variance for an Encroachment into the Front Yard Setback for the Purpose of Installing a Swimming Pool, Pool Deck, and Pool Mechanical Equipment on Property Owned by Kristin Frooshani and Jason Frooshani and Located at 1275 8th Avenue North; More fully Described Herein; Providing Findings and Conditions; Providing for Scrivener's Errors; and Providing an Effective Date.]

EXCUSE ME. A RESOLUTION DETERMINING VARIANCE PETITION 20 5V5 PURSUANT TO SECTION 46, 37, 56, 41, 56, 45 AND 5654 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES, CITY OF NAPLES.

TO ALLOW VARIANCE FOR AN ENCROACHMENT TO THE FRONT YARD.

SETBACK FOR THE PURPOSE OF INSTALLING A SWIMMING POOL, POOL DECK, POOL.

MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT ON PROPERTY OWNED BY KRISTEN FROUSHANI.

YES. NICE AND JASON FROUSHANI AND LOCATED AT 1275 EIGHTH AVENUE NORTH.

MORE FULLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, PROVIDING FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS, PROVIDING FOR SCRIVENER'S ERRORS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE. THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK, FOR ALL THOSE INTENDING TO OFFER TESTIMONY WHO'S NOT PREVIOUSLY SWORN.

RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES. THANK YOU.

COUNCIL DISCLOSURES COUNCIL MEMBER. I'M GOING TO SWITCH IT UP.

KRAMER. OH. THANK YOU. I TALKED WITH STAFF ABOUT THIS.

FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE? NO CONTACT. KRISEMAN.

NO CONTACT. AND TALK TO STAFF. BARTON. COMMUNICATIONS WITH STAFF.

NO CONTACT. DROVE BY THE SITE. THAT'S IT. VICE MAYOR FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.

DROVE BY THE SITE. NO CONTACT. I DROVE BY THE SITE.

NO CONTACT. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.

HELLO, KRISTEN. I'M THE HOMEOWNER OF 1275 EIGHTH AVENUE NORTH, AND I HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION.

I WILL KEEP IT QUICK, I PROMISE. HERE'S JUST AN OVERVIEW OF THE PROPERTY.

AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S A UNIQUE LOT. THERE ARE TECHNICALLY CONSIDERED THREE FRONTS.

WHICH MEANS IF WE WERE TO PUT A POOL IN, WE WOULD REQUIRE A VARIANCE.

WHICH IS WHY I'M HERE TODAY. WE HAVE HERE FROM THE INITIAL APPLICATION THE.

AS YOU CAN SEE, THE POOL EQUIPMENT IS AT THE EAST SIDE.

AND IN THE REVISED SITE PLAN BASED ON PAB RECOMMENDATIONS, WE MOVE THAT TO THE WEST SIDE.

HERE ARE SOME PICTURES OF THE HOUSE. VERY CUTE, IF I MIGHT SAY SO MYSELF.

NICE KEY LIME COLOR. WE HAVE THE RENDERINGS HERE I TOOK.

YOU CAN SEE THE RED XS ON THE POOL EQUIPMENT.

BASED ON WHAT I SAID BEFORE AS TO MOVING THAT.

SO IT IS WITHIN THE THAT WOULD BE THE SIDE LOT.

HERE'S AN OVERVIEW OF THE EXAMPLES THAT WE ARE, I'M SORRY, AN OVERVIEW OF THE MATERIALS THAT WE WOULD BE USING AND THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THE VARIANCE. HARDSHIP. THREE FRONT YARDS, ONE SIDE YARD, NO REAR YARD.

THE HOME WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1953. IT DID COMPLY WITH CODE AT THE TIME, AND STRICT CODE COMPLIANCE WOULD PROHIBIT ANY OWNER FROM INSTALLING A POOL.

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AND THE POOL PLACEMENT AND LANDSCAPING DOES MAINTAIN VISUAL HARMONY, AS WELL AS ADDING VALUE TO HELP MAINTAIN AND IMPROVE NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER AND QUALITY OF LIFE. THE VARIANCE CRITERIA RIGHT HERE I SHOW HOW IT'S MET THE UNIQUE PHYSICAL CONDITIONS OF THE OF THE LOT. THE VARIANCE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND WITH NEIGHBORHOOD ZONING, THERE'S NO ENLARGEMENT OF USE NOT PERMITTED BY RIGHT AND NO HARM TO HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER? NOPE. OKAY. WE'LL GO TO THE STAFF REPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM MAYOR.

COUNCIL JEFF BRAMMER AGAIN WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THE PETITION BEFORE YOU IS A VARIANCE TO ALLOW FOR ENCROACHMENTS INTO THE FRONT YARD, SETBACKS FOR A SWIMMING POOL AND REQUIRED EQUIPMENT PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 1275 EIGHTH AVENUE NORTH.

THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 1953. THE HISTORY OF THE DEVELOPMENT HERE IS DETAILED IN THE STAFF REPORT.

I WON'T GO THROUGH ALL OF IT NOW, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS IS ON A CORNER LOT.

AND BECAUSE OF THAT, THEY HAVE THREE FRONT YARDS FOR ZONING PURPOSES.

TODAY, THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE R1 75 RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

FRONT YARDS IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT REQUIRE 25FT.

HOWEVER, ONE FRONTAGE IS ALLOWED TO HAVE A REDUCTION TO 20FT.

THEY'VE USED THAT ON THE NORTH SIDE WHERE THEY PUT IN A GARAGE IN, I BELIEVE, 1996 EDITION THAT'S COMPLIANT.

BUT THE OTHER TWO SIDES YOU'LL SEE ON THE SITE PLAN THEY'RE ENCROACHING INTO THOSE REQUIRED FRONTS.

PETITIONER IS INTERESTED IN REVITALIZING THE PROPERTY.

THIS INCLUDES KEEPING THE STRUCTURE, HOWEVER, MAKING SOME UPGRADES AND OF COURSE AS ONE OF SHE'S ONE OF THOSE SHE SAID WAS REQUESTING APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT A SWIMMING POOL AND WHERE THEY CAN HAVE IT.

IT WOULD ENCROACH INTO THE FRONT YARDS ADJACENT TO 13TH STREET NORTH AND EIGHTH TERRACE NORTH.

CONSTRUCTION ALSO CALLS FOR A POOL DECK AND THE NECESSARY MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT.

THREE SECTIONS OF THE LDC ARE RELEVANT HERE TO THE VARIANCE REQUEST.

THE FIRST IS THE POOL SHALL NOT BE PLACED IN A REQUIRED FRONT OR SIDE YARD AS PROPOSED.

AS I MENTIONED, THE POOL AND THE POOL DECK WOULD ENCROACH INTO THE EAST AND THE NORTH FRONT SETBACKS ON THE EAST.

IT'S ABOUT 7.5FT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. ON THE NORTH IT'S ABOUT 17.5FT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.

NEITHER OF THOSE ENCROACHMENTS ARE EXTENSIONS FROM WHERE THE WALLS OF THE HOUSE ARE NOW.

SO THE POOL WOULDN'T BE CREATING AN ADDITIONAL ENCROACHMENT THERE.

SECOND STRUCTURES LESS THAN 30IN IN HEIGHT. THIS IS LESS THAN THAT.

BUT OTHER THAN POOLS ARE NOT CONSIDERED ENCROACHMENTS.

OF COURSE, THIS IS A POOL. SO IT'S THEREFORE AN ENCROACHMENT.

AND THIRD, MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT NEW WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION MAY NOT BE LOCATED WITHIN A REQUIRED SETBACK.

REGARDLESS OF HEIGHT, AS NOTED IN THE STAFF REPORT AND THE PETITIONER'S PRESENTATION THE APPLICANT HAS OFFERED AN ALTERNATIVE PLAN TO MOVE THE EQUIPMENT. SO, YOU SEE, BEFORE YOU THE INITIAL ONE SITE PLAN THAT WENT TO PAB, THE REVISED ONE SHOWING THE EQUIPMENT HAS BEEN RELOCATED TO THE WESTERN SIDE IN THE GARAGE.

THIS WOULD MEET THE SETBACKS. OF COURSE, COUNCIL HAS THE DISCRETION TO CONSIDER, YOU KNOW, BOTH OF THESE PLANS. THE PETITION WAS NOTICED TO ALL THE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 1000FT.

TO DATE, STAFF HAS RECEIVED NO OFFICIAL CORRESPONDENCE.

PURSUANT TO THE LDC STAFF HAS APPLIED THE THE VARIANCE CRITERIA TO THE REQUEST AND FINDS THAT THE APPLICATION EITHER MEETS THE CRITERIA OR THE CRITERIA IN CERTAIN CASES DIDN'T APPLY. PAB HEARD THE PETITION IN OCTOBER.

FOLLOWING DISCUSSION, THE BOARD RECOMMENDED APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION 6 TO 1 TO CITY COUNCIL.

PAB HAD THREE CONDITIONS. THE FIRST TWO REMAIN AS CONDITIONS ON THE RESOLUTION BEFORE YOU.

NOW. THE THIRD WAS THAT THE PETITIONER CONSIDER RELOCATING THE POOL EQUIPMENT TO A SETBACK THAT WOULD MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.

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SO SHOULD COUNCIL CHOOSE TO APPROVE THE PETITION.

THE FIRST AND SECOND CONDITIONS REMAIN. I GUESS THE THIRD ONE COULD REMAIN OR.

WELL, NO. I GUESS IF COUNCIL WERE TO APPROVE IT, IT WOULDN'T WOULDN'T NEED TO BE ON THERE.

BUT THE THE FIRST TWO CONDITIONS REMAIN ON, ON THE RESOLUTION AND THE FIRST ONE IS THE VARIANCE IS APPLICABLE ONLY TO THE POOL, THE POOL DECK AND THE POOL EQUIPMENT AND SHALL NOT APPLY TO ADDITIONS OR THE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW STRUCTURES OR INSTALLATION OF IMPROVEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY. AND NUMBER TWO, THAT AT THE CONCLUSION OF THE CONSTRUCTION AND PRIOR TO THE SCHEDULING OF FINAL INSPECTIONS, A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT PROVIDE A LETTER OF COMPLIANCE CERTIFYING THE INSTALLATION OF THE HARDSCAPE AND THE LANDSCAPE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE APPROVED PLANS. AND THAT COULD YOU KNOW, ALSO SHOW WHATEVER SCREENING, WHETHER IT'S, YOU KNOW, A HEDGE AND, AND FENCING MATERIALS. THAT CONCLUDES MY COMMENTS FOR THE MOMENT.

I OF COURSE WE'RE OPEN FOR QUESTIONS, BUT THANK YOU.

COUNCIL KRAMER, JUST A QUICK IF THOSE WERE SIDE YARDS, WHAT'S THE SETBACK ON A SIDE YARD THERE IF THAT WERE THE CASE IN HER ONE SEVEN AND A HALF? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. YEAH. THANKS.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF? OF PUBLIC COMMENT.

WITH THE PETITIONER. LIKE TO MAKE ANY CLOSING REMARKS? NO. JUST APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

AND DISCUSSION. MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS ITEM.

12 D AS PRESENTED. VARIANCE PETITION 20 5V5 SECOND.

I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON.

MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL. MAYOR. SORRY.

JUST TO CLARIFY FOR THE RECORD, THAT MOTION INCLUDES THE THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE REFERENCED.

THAT MOTION SHOULD INCLUDE THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE REFERENCED. AND I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION I GET.

DO YOU WANT TO SPECIFY WHICH SITE PLAN ARE YOU APPROVING? THE ONE WHERE THE SECOND. THANK YOU. YES, PLEASE. THE EQUIPMENT'S APPROVING THE SECOND SITE PLAN WITH THE EQUIPMENT MOVED, PLUS THOSE PROVISIONS THAT WERE MENTIONED.

SECOND. SECOND. SO THAT WILL BE CHANGED IN. RESOLUTION.

COUNCIL MEMBER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. YES.

VICE MAYOR. HUTCHINSON. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN.

YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. CRISMAN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER.

BARTON. YES. MAYOR. HEITMAN. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU.

THAT CONCLUDES ITEM 12 D 13. NO OLD BUSINESS GOING ON TO ITEM

[14.A) A Resolution Determining Public Art Petition 25-Pa1 for the Placement of Public Art in Designated Locations Throughout the Naples Beach Club Site and the Reimbursement of The Public Art Fee Pursuant to Section 46-42 of the City of Naples Code of Ordinances on Property Owned by Naples Beach Club Land Trust Trustee, LLC, and Located at 851, 852, 861 Gulf Shore Boulevard North, More Fully Described Herein; and Providing an Effective Date.]

CODE OF ORDINANCES ON PROPERTY OWNED BY NAPLES BEACH CLUB LAND TRUST.

TRUSTEE, LLC, LOCATED AT 851852861 GULF SHORE BOULEVARD NORTH.

MORE FULLY DESCRIBED HEREIN AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK, FOR ALL THOSE INTENDING TO OFFER TESTIMONY WHO ARE NOT PREVIOUSLY SWORN IN. PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.

DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? THANK YOU.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBERS DISCLOSURES. COUNCILMEMBER KRAMER.

I'VE JUST STUDIED MY PACKET MATERIALS, THAT'S ALL.

NO CONTACT, NO CONTACT. VICE MAYOR FAMILIAR WITH THE SIDE.

BEND TO THE SIDE. NO CONTACT. DISCLOSURES. COUNCIL MEMBER CHRISTMAN.

FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE? NO CONTACT. I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.

BRIEF CONVERSATION WITH STAFF FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE.

NO CONTACT AND FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE. NO CONTACT WITH THAT.

GOOD AFTERNOON. WELCOME BACK FROM THE DANCE. A VERY GOOD AFTERNOON TO YOU.

I'M SORRY. OH, YEAH. I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S PATIENCE FOR GETTING DOWN HERE THIS MORNING AFTER MY FATHER DAUGHTER DANCE LAST NIGHT UP IN NEW YORK. SO EXCELLENT. THAT'S WHY I MISSED YOU ALL YESTERDAY AT THE BEACH CLUB, BUT WE'RE VERY EXCITED TODAY TO TAKE THE NEXT STEP IN IN WHAT

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I KEEP TURNING UP, I'M GOING TO BE VERY BRIEF TODAY AND TURN IT OVER TO MY COLLEAGUE.

RIGHT, HARVEY, WHO WILL BE UP HERE IN JUST A MOMENT, BUT FROM THE VERY FIRST DAY OF WORK, AND I THINK HOPEFULLY YOU ALL SAW IT COME TO LIFE YESTERDAY AT THE FOUR SEASONS IS ATTACHMENT TO THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAVE MADE THIS PLACE SPECIAL FOR SO LONG. AND IT INCLUDES THE LARGER CONTEXT OF THE EVERGLADES IN SOUTH FLORIDA WATERSHED.

IT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE THE WORK THAT CLYDE BUTCHER HAS DONE OVER THE YEARS TO CELEBRATE THAT THROUGH HIS PHOTOGRAPHY AND OPPORTUNITY IN THE PUBLIC ART PROGRAM INSIDE OF THE BUILDING TO TO WELCOME GUESTS TO NAPLES, TO WELCOME GUESTS TO SOUTHWEST FLORIDA AND ACKNOWLEDGE THAT LARGER ECOLOGICAL SETTING WITHIN WHICH THEY'RE ENJOYING THEIR EXPERIENCE.

IT EXTENDS ALL THE WAY THROUGH, THEN INTO THE LOBBY THAT YOU SAW YESTERDAY.

THE BAS RELIEFS OF THE PALM FRONDS, THE PECKY CYPRESS THAT COMES OUT OF THE CYPRESS TRADITIONS HERE IN SOUTHWEST FLORIDA.

THE WORK THAT JAMES PERKINS HAS BEEN DOING BEHIND THE RECEPTION DESK AND BEHIND THE CONCIERGE DESK, WHERE HE'S BEEN WORKING WITH SILK. HE ACTUALLY HAD IT BURIED UNDER THE GOLF COURSE FOR A NUMBER OF MONTHS SO THAT THE INTRINSIC QUALITIES OF THE PROPERTY COULD IMBUE THEMSELVES INTO THE SILK THREADS THAT ARE NOW HANGING BEHIND THOSE TWO DESKS.

HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF HIS WORK FROM SEPTEMBER, WHEN IT WAS HANGING UP IN NEW YORK AT THE AT THE ARMORY SHOW AND CELEBRATED IN THE NEW YORK TIMES. SO WE'VE GOT THAT ABILITY TO THINK DIFFERENTLY, NOT JUST IN A LITERAL SENSE ABOUT BLACK AND WHITE PHOTOGRAPHY, BUT IN AN ABSTRACT SENSE OF ART. AND OF COURSE, THE WORK THAT THAT DEAN BARKER HAS DONE WITH THE MURAL IN THE MERCHANT ROOM, AND THE WAYS THAT WE CAN REMIND EVERYBODY OF THAT MANGROVE ECOLOGY, OF THE PRESENCE HISTORICALLY OF FLAMINGOS IN THIS PART OF THE STATE, AND ALLOW THAT TO REALLY BE THE BACKDROP THROUGH WHICH YOU'RE LOOKING OUT TO THE GULF.

AND THOSE THOSE IDEAS HAVE EXTENDED ALL THE WAY THROUGH INTO THE GUEST ROOMS. SO WHEN YOU DO GET A CHANCE TO EXPERIENCE THE GUEST ROOMS OVERNIGHT, WE'VE TAKEN THAT IDEA AND NOT JUST THOUGHT ABOUT THE LARGER ECOLOGY, BUT ALSO THE TRADITIONS OF THE NAPLES PIER AS AN EXAMPLE OF HOW PEOPLE HISTORICALLY HAVE ARRIVED HERE.

AS WELL AS, OF COURSE, OVER THOSE LAST 70 YEARS THINKING ABOUT WAYS THAT PEOPLE HAVE CELEBRATED THE TIME ON THE BEACH AND THE OLD SWIMMING COSTUMES AND ALL THE DIFFERENT COLORS THAT HAVE BROUGHT THIS PLACE TO LIFE. SO THAT'S THE WORK WE'VE BEEN DOING INSIDE THE BUILDING.

HONESTLY, WE BUILT THIS SLIDESHOW THINKING WE WOULD BE UP HERE IN OCTOBER.

SO IT WAS AHEAD OF YOU HAVING WALKED THROUGH THE BUILDING.

SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF THUNDER THAT WAS LOST.

BYE BYE. YOU ALL BEING ON SITE YESTERDAY, BUT WE'RE EXCITED NOW TO TURN OUR ATTENTION TO THE OUTSIDE SPACES AND THE PUBLIC ART PROGRAM THAT THAT OWNERSHIP ATHENS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON WITH. RIGHT, HARVEY.

SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I'LL TURN IT OVER THE PRESENTATION TO MY COLLEAGUE.

RIGHT. AND HE'LL SHARE MORE ABOUT HIS BACKGROUND AS WELL AS THE SPECIFIC ART PROGRAM.

THANK YOU. THANKS. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. FIRST OF ALL, I'D LIKE TO THANK MAYOR HEITMANN AND THE COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR MEETING WITH ME THIS AFTERNOON.

IT'S AN HONOR TO BE HERE PRESENTING TO YOU. I'D LIKE TO THANK ERIKA MARTIN FOR HER CONSTANT SUPPORT IN SHEPHERDING US THROUGH THIS PROCESS WITH DRB AND CITY COUNCIL. AND I JUST WANT TO NOTE THAT IT'S AN HONOR TO PRESENT, ALONG WITH THE GREAT TIM MCCARTHY OF HART HOWERTON.

MY NAME IS WRIGHT RIGHT. HARVEY. AND I'M THE FOUNDER AND PRINCIPAL OF SUGAR LIFT.

WE ARE AN ART CONSULTANT, AND WE'RE PARTNERING WITH OUR COLLEAGUES ON THE EXTERIOR ART PROGRAM AT THE NAPLES BEACH CLUB.

BUT THE FIRST THING AND MOST IMPORTANT THING IS NAPLES IS MY HOMETOWN.

MY PARENTS MOVED TO NAPLES IN 1979, AND I SHOWED UP IN 1982.

AND NAPLES WAS AN AMAZING PLACE TO GROW UP. SAFE NEIGHBORHOODS, FRIENDLY PEOPLE MIDWEST VALUES AND YEAR ROUND WARM WEATHER THAT I MISSED DESPERATELY BECAUSE I NOW LIVE IN NEW YORK.

GOLF, TENNIS AND THE BEACH. OVER THE COURSE OF LIVING IN NAPLES, I SAW NAPLES GROW RAPIDLY.

THE U-PICK FARMS THAT WE WOULD DRIVE BY ON MY WAY TO SCHOOL TURNED INTO SHOPPING CENTERS.

THE BOAT TRAFFIC ON THE WAY TO KEEWAYDIN DOUBLED AND DOUBLED AGAIN, AND PROBABLY DOUBLED SINCE THEN.

AND I REMEMBER WHEN NAPLES WASN'T MORE THAN A SMALL DOT ON A MAP WITHOUT NAPLES WRITTEN NEXT TO IT,

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NOW, OBVIOUSLY GROWTH HAS SOME BENEFITS AND IT ALSO HAS SOME COSTS.

AND I'M NOT HERE TO LECTURE ON WHAT THE, THE MERITS AND THE COSTS ARE BECAUSE YOU ALL ARE MUCH MORE EXPERT THAN I AM.

BUT WHEN I DISTILLED THIS CONCEPT IN MY MIND, I THINK THE PRIMARY CHALLENGE IS HOW DO WE CONTINUE TO GROW IN A WAY WHERE WE PRESERVE WHAT MAKES NAPLES SO SPECIAL, OUR CULTURE, BUT ALSO, AND PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANTLY, OUR ENVIRONMENT. NOW, AS I MENTIONED, I'M FROM NAPLES AND WHILE I DON'T CLAIM TO BE THE SHARPEST BULB IN THE BOX, I DID RECEIVE A FAIRLY GOOD EDUCATION.

I ATTENDED THE COMMUNITY SCHOOL FROM KINDERGARTEN THROUGH 12.

I ATTENDED UVA WAHOO, WA. WE FINALLY HAVE A GOOD FOOTBALL TEAM, BUT DESPITE BEING FROM NAPLES, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT NAPLES UNTIL RESEARCHING THIS PUBLIC ART PROGRAM.

I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE STORY OF THE BRIDGE TO NOWHERE IN KEEWAYDIN, AND THE HEROIC EFFORT OF THE CONSERVANCY TO PRESERVE THAT LAND.

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I ACTUALLY GREW UP ON DREDGE AND FILL, AND THE IMPACT THAT THAT HAD ON THE MANGROVE ESTUARIES IN GORDON PASS AND OTHER BODIES OF WATER AROUND NAPLES. I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THE GOLDEN GATE ESTATES, DESPITE SPENDING A LOT OF TIME ON GOOGLE EARTH WITH MY CHILDREN, SHOWING THEM THE BEAUTY OF THE WORLD.

AND I DIDN'T KNOW THE IMPACT THAT THAT HAD ON OUR WATERSHED.

THERE ARE MANY STORIES LIKE THESE, AND THE STORIES OF THE HEROIC EFFORTS OF THE NAPLES COMMUNITY AND THE CONSERVANCY TO TO FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT AND PRESERVE THESE, THESE AREAS FOR OUR CONTINUED AND FUTURE ENJOYMENT.

SO TO ME, THE QUESTION IS, HOW COULD I GROW UP HERE AND NOT KNOW THESE STORIES? AND THE QUESTION FOR ALL OF US IS, HOW CAN WE ENSURE THAT WE'RE COMMUNICATING THESE STORIES TO THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW IN THE NEXT GENERATION SO THAT THEY CAN CARRY THE MANTLE AND PRESERVE THESE SPACES FOR THE FUTURE? TURNING TO THE PUBLIC ART PROGRAM AT THE NAPLES BEACH CLUB.

I'VE ALWAYS LOVED ART, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I LOVE ABOUT ART IS ITS ABILITY TO TELL STORIES AND COMPLEX STORIES AT THAT.

WHEN DESIGNING THE EXTERIOR ART PROGRAM FOR THE NAPLES BEACH CLUB, WE WANTED TO TELL THAT STORY OF WHAT MAKES NAPLES UNIQUE.

WE ALSO KNEW THAT THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHED LIGHT ON CONSERVATION EFFORTS, AND TO GIVE OPPORTUNITIES, OR ON RAMPS FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE INSPIRED TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THESE STORIES AND ABOUT HOW THEY COULD ALSO CONTRIBUTE AND ALSO CONNECT TO MANY GREAT PARTNERS IN THE NAPLES COMMUNITY AND BROADER COLLIER COUNTY COMMUNITY WHO ARE CONTRIBUTING TO THESE EFFORTS.

AND OBVIOUSLY, WE WANT TO DO THIS IN A WAY WHERE WE ARE WORKING WITH THE HIGHEST QUALITY ARTISTS IDEAS AND USING MATERIALS AND A MAINTENANCE PLAN THAT WILL PRESERVE THESE ARTWORKS FOR GENERATIONS. NOW HERE'S THE FIRST VIEW OF THE PROGRAM.

THIS IS A BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF THE NEW NAPLES BEACH CLUB.

YOU CAN SEE WE ARE PRESENTING SIX DIFFERENT SCULPTURES THAT CARRY YOU FROM THE BEACH ALL THE WAY ACROSS GULF SHORE BOULEVARD TO THE EAST OF MARKET SQUARE. I WILL ADDRESS THESE SCULPTURES INDIVIDUALLY, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS HELPFUL TO SEE THE FULL PROGRAM.

AND IMPORTANTLY, ALL OF THESE SCULPTURES ARE ARE ON PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE LAND WITHIN THE PROPERTY.

THE FIRST ARTIST I WOULD LIKE TO FOCUS ON IS DAVID TURNER.

NOW, I IMAGINE DAVID TURNER IS A FAMILIAR NAME TO MANY OF YOU.

HE IS ONE OF THE MORE PROLIFIC SCULPTORS AND ARTISTS IN NAPLES AND IN NAPLES.

CURRENT PUBLIC ART PROGRAM. HE HAS SOME WOOD STORKS QUICK WALK DOWN ON FIFTH AVENUE, THE FLORIDA PANTHER AND DIVING PELICANS AT THE CONSERVANCY. DONATED BY BETH TURNER IN THE IN 1986.

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HE HAS WORKS AT CORKSCREW SWAMP, THE NAPLES HISTORICAL SOCIETY.

ONE THING YOU MAY NOT KNOW ABOUT DAVID TURNER IS THAT HE ACTUALLY HAS A STRONG PERSONAL CONNECTION TO THE NAPLES BEACH CLUB.

SO DAVID TURNER AND HIS FATHER, WILLIAM TURNER, HOSTED ANNUAL EXHIBITIONS IN WHICH THEY WOULD SELL SCULPTURES TO BENEFIT NAPLES YOUTH HAVEN. THEY HOSTED 18 ANNUAL EXHIBITIONS IN THE 80S AND 90S AND I PERSONALLY LOVE THAT CONNECTION BETWEEN THE ARTIST AND THE PROPERTY. DAVID IS A PROLIFIC WILDLIFE SCULPTOR.

HE'S ALSO A STRONG PROPONENT OF CONSERVATION.

AND DAVID AND I BOTH AGREE THAT PUBLIC ART IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO INSPIRE AND TO EDUCATE.

I'D LIKE TO FOCUS ON ONE QUICK EXAMPLE OF THE SCULPTURE THAT I PERSONALLY AM MOST EXCITED ABOUT IN THE PROGRAM.

DID YOU KNOW THAT FLORIDA HAS AN OFFICIAL STATE SHELL? DID YOU KNOW THAT THAT SPECIES HAS EXPERIENCED APPROXIMATELY A 98% POPULATION DECLINE SINCE THE 1990S? AND DID YOU KNOW THAT IT IS NOT CURRENTLY LISTED AS AN ENDANGERED SPECIES.

AND THERE'S NO SILVER BULLET CAUSE THAT WE'RE AWARE OF OF WHAT'S CONTRIBUTING TO THAT DECLINE.

I'M A PERPETUAL OPTIMIST, AND I LOOK AT ANY CHALLENGE AS AN OPPORTUNITY.

AND I THINK THAT A BEAUTIFUL SPECIES, A BEAUTIFUL SHELL LIKE THIS ISN'T JUST ABOUT THIS SPECIES.

IT'S ABOUT ITS ENTIRE HABITAT AND ECOSYSTEM. AND THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY THROUGH THIS PROGRAM TO CREATE A BEAUTIFUL SYMBOL OF CONSERVATION AND ALSO CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOUNG PEOPLE, FOR ALL OF US.

YOU KNOW, 1 TO 99 TO LEARN MORE ABOUT HOW THEY CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THAT CONSERVATION.

DAVID TURNER ENVISIONED A SCULPTURE THAT IS ENTIRELY UNIQUE TO HIS BODY OF WORK SPECIFICALLY COMMISSIONED FOR NAPLES.

IT'S CALLED FLORIDA SHELL, AND IT'S INSPIRED BY A BABY CONCH LATIN NAME TRIPLOFUSUS GIGANTICUS.

NOW, THIS IS A BABY VERSION THAT WAS FOUND RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE NAPLES BEACH CLUB ON THE BEACH.

DAVID WAS INSPIRED BY ITS BEAUTIFUL DESIGN, BUT ALSO THE MESSAGE THAT IT CAN CONVEY.

WE ENVISION FOR THIS SCULPTURE AND OTHER SCULPTURES IN THE PUBLIC ART PROGRAM TO BE EQUIPPED WITH A BRONZE PLAQUE THAT DESCRIBES THE WORK, BUT ALSO A QR CODE THAT CAN LINK TO MORE DYNAMIC CONTENT.

SO WHEN YOU SEE THIS AND IT STOPS YOU AND YOU'RE CURIOUS AND YOU WANT TO LEARN MORE, YOU CAN SCAN IT.

IT CAN TELL YOU MORE ABOUT THE ARTIST, THE ARTWORK, THE SPECIES, THE HABITAT.

IT CAN IT CAN EDUCATE YOU ABOUT PROGRAMS AT THE CONSERVANCY AT FGCU.

WAYS THAT YOU COULD CONTRIBUTE, WAYS THAT YOU COULD GET INVOLVED.

WAYS THAT THIS SYMBOL CAN ACTUALLY TURN INTO ACTION.

DAVID HAS BEEN WORKING ON THIS SCULPTURE FOR SOME TIME, AND I WANTED TO SHARE WITH YOU SOME BEHIND THE SCENES PHOTOS THAT THAT I LOVE TO SEE.

THIS GIVES YOU A GOOD SENSE OF THE SCALE, AND IF I MAY, I HAVE SOME UPDATED PHOTOS THAT I WANTED TO HAND OUT.

THANK YOU. DAVID USES A CENTURIES A CENTURIES OLD ACTUALLY THOUSANDS OF YEAR OLD PROCESS CALLED LOST WAX CASTING, WHICH CREATES THE HIGHEST QUALITY VERSION OF A BRONZE SCULPTURE. THINK OF THE SAME PROCESS THAT A RODIN WOULD USE THAT YOU'D SEE OUTSIDE OF PARIS.

NOW THERE'S ONE MORE REALLY IMPORTANT ANECDOTE TO ME ON THIS SCULPTURE.

WHEN I COME TO TOWN, MY PARENTS NOW LIVE AT PARKSHORE TOWERS, AND THE BENEFIT IS THAT I CAN GO ON MY MORNING RUN ON THE BEACH.

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SO I ENDED UP RUNNING SOUTH, AND I CAME ACROSS A SHELL IN THE SHALLOW WATER AT LOW TIDE.

AND I CAME ACROSS THE FIRST LIVE HORSE CONCH I'VE EVER SEEN.

IN MY 42 YEARS OF COMING TO NAPLES AND GOING TO THE BEACH.

I'LL HAND OUT THIS PICTURE AS WELL. NOW.

I ALSO TOOK A VIDEO OF SAFELY PLACING IT BACK INTO DEEPER WATER.

AND WHETHER YOU ARE A PERSON OF FAITH OR YOU BELIEVE IN SIGNS FROM THE UNIVERSE, TO ME THIS WAS A SIGN.

DAVID TURNER IS COMMISSIONING A FEW OTHER CUSTOM COMMISSIONED SCULPTURES FOR THE PROPERTY.

THESE ARE WATERFOWL THAT YOU KNOW ARE ALSO SYMBOLS OF PRESERVING OUR ESTUARIES AND WATERSHEDS.

GREAT BLUE HERON OUTSIDE OF MARKET SQUARE. ANOTHER PERSONAL FAVORITE OF MINE, HENRY THE PELICAN, WHO WILL BE PERCHED RIGHT OUTSIDE OF H. B'S. HE IS NAMED AFTER IN IN HONOR OF HENRY B WATKINS, THE ORIGINAL FOUNDER OF THE NAPLES BEACH CLUB.

AND LITTLE BLUE HERONS WHO GREET YOU AT THE PORTE COCHERE.

NOW, CHANGING GEARS JUST A LITTLE BIT, WE HEARD FROM THE NAPLES COMMUNITY THAT THERE'S ALSO DEMAND IN THE PUBLIC ART PROGRAM TO BE MORE CONTEMPORARY AND MORE FORWARD LOOKING. WE LOOKED FOR AN ARTIST WHO COULD MEET THAT THRESHOLD, BUT WAS STILL CONNECTED TO THE ESSENCE, TO THE SPIRIT OF THE OVERALL PROGRAM BEING CONNECTED TO THE ENVIRONMENT AND TO CONSERVATION.

I WOULD LOVE TO PRESENT TO YOU AN ARTIST NAMED GUILLAUME CASTELL, WHO'S A FRENCH SCULPTOR FROM BRITTANY IN THE NORTH OF FRANCE.

HE'S A QUICKLY UP AND COMING CONTEMPORARY SCULPTOR WHO SCULPTS ABSTRACT SCULPTURES.

WHEN GUILLAUME IS NOT IN THE STUDIO. YOU CAN FIND HIM IN THE FOREST.

YOU CAN FIND HIM SNORKELING. HE SPENDS ALL OF HIS TIME IN NATURE.

AND NATURE IS WHAT INSPIRES HIS WORK. HE IS VERY PROLIFIC IN EUROPE AND IN FRANCE, BUT IS NOT YET EXPOSED IN THE US. AND AGAIN, I SEE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY.

HIS NOTABLE INSTALLATIONS HAVE INCLUDED AT THE CHATEAU FONTAINEBLEAU OUTSIDE OF PARIS AND THE JARDIN DU LUXEMBOURG.

IN THIS PHOTO YOU CAN SEE HIS PERMANENT ART INSTALLATION OUTSIDE OF THE TRÉGUIER CATHEDRAL IN FRANCE.

PARDON MY FRENCH. AND ON THE RIGHT YOU CAN SEE A MAQUETTE OF THE SCULPTURE THAT HE IS DESIGNING FOR THE NAPLES BEACH CLUB.

THIS COMMISSION WILL BE HIS FIRST PUBLIC COMMISSION IN THE CONTINENTAL US.

HERE YOU CAN SEE A RENDERING OF THE SCULPTURE, WHERE IT WILL BE PLACED JUST EAST OF MARKET SQUARE AND VISIBLE THROUGH THE PORTE COCHERE. THE SCULPTURE IS TITLED SAMAR, AND IT'S INSPIRED BY THE SEEDS OF NATIVE TREES AND MARINE LIFE. THESE ARE THE SEEDS THAT KIND OF HELICOPTER DOWN.

BUT ALSO YOU CAN SEE SHAPES OF SEAWEED OR SHELLS.

MUSSELS. IT IS COMPOSED OF POLISHED STAINLESS STEEL AND CORTEN STEEL.

HE IS THE ONLY ARTIST USING THESE MATERIALS. AND DESPITE THEM BEING STEEL, COLD AND HEAVY, A SCULPTURE LIKE THIS IS VERY LIGHT AND ELEGANT AND AND REALLY CONNECTS WITH ITS NATURAL ENVIRONMENT, IN MY OPINION. I THOUGHT THIS WAS A REALLY NEAT VIEW.

SCULPTURE IS SUPPOSED TO BE ENJOYED IN 360 DEGREES, SO YOU CAN SEE ALL THE DIFFERENT ANGLES OF THIS BEAUTIFUL ABSTRACT SCULPTURE.

ONE POINT I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS IS THAT WE ARE AWARE ABOUT THE REFLECTIVITY OF STAINLESS STEEL, AND WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE AREN'T ANY GLARE ISSUES WHEN DRIVING DOWN SOUTH GULF DRIVE.

SO WE'RE PLANNING TO ORIENT THE NON-REFLECTIVE PART OF THE SCULPTURE SOUTH FACING THE DRIVE.

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SO WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO SUMMARIZE MY STATEMENTS.

YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I I'M FROM NAPLES. MY PARENTS STILL LIVE HERE.

THEIR GRANDCHILDREN ARE COMING DOWN IN SIX WEEKS AND COULDN'T BE MORE EXCITED.

I PLAN TO KEEP A LIFELONG RELATIONSHIP WITH NAPLES, AND I HOPE MY KIDS DO THE SAME.

I PERSONALLY WOULD BE VERY PROUD TO BE A PART OF THIS PUBLIC ART PROGRAM.

I'M PROUD OF THE QUALITY OF THE IDEAS, THE QUALITY OF THE MATERIALS AND THE MESSAGE THAT IT CONVEYS.

I THINK IT REFLECTS NAPLES CHARACTER. I THINK IT'S A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO TELL STORIES AND CONNECT WITH PARTNERS.

AND I THINK THAT THESE ARE HIGH QUALITY IDEAS AND MATERIALS, MATERIALS THAT WILL LAST FOR GENERATIONS.

SO WITH THAT, I WILL PAUSE AND OPEN FOR QUESTIONS.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL QUESTIONS. I LOVE YOUR ENTHUSIASM.

THANK YOU. DAVID. I LOVE YOUR ENTHUSIASM. I LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE YOU'RE TIED IN THE EDUCATION AND BEAUTIFUL SCULPTURES OF SOME OF MY FAVORITE ARTISTS.

SO. AND BRINGING IN NEW FOR WORLD RENOWNED HOTEL.

THAT WILL BE. I THINK IT'S VERY APPROPRIATE. SO THANK YOU.

I DO THAT. I ALSO LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU'RE FROM HERE.

I DON'T LOVE THE FACT THAT YOU WENT TO COMMUNITY SCHOOL.

I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU THAT YOU DID NOT GO TO NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL.

BUT WE'LL LET THAT SLIDE. AND WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE YOU AS PART OF THIS PROGRAM AND HELP US OUT.

THANK YOU. AND IF I MAY, MAYOR, I'LL PILE ON WITH ALL MY FRIENDS AT CSUN WHO KNOW THERE'S ONLY TWO KINDS OF PEOPLE IN THE WORLD GOLDEN EAGLES AND THOSE WHO WANT TO BE GOLDEN EAGLES. I WOULD SAY HAD HE GONE TO LAKE PARK, HE WOULD HAVE WALKED ACROSS THE ROAD TO THE CONSERVANCY AND KNOW MUCH OF WHAT HE MISSED AT CSU. ALL SAID WITH CARE AND LOVE. VICE MAYOR.

YEAH. JUST FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THE TIME AND WHAT IS APPARENTLY A GREAT DEAL OF EFFORT AND COLLABORATION AND PUTTING THIS TOGETHER FOR ME, WHEN I LOOK AT THESE DEPICTIONS, TO ME, IT'S TIMELESS.

THESE CHOICES HAVE DEPTH. THERE'S A STORY, AND I'M A BIG I'M BIG ON STORIES AND STORYTELLING.

AND THAT CHECKS OFF THESE BOXES. SO WELL DONE TO THE ENTIRE TEAM.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. KRISTEN. YEAH.

I'LL JUST ADD ALL WONDERFUL COMMENTS AND I AGREE WITH THEM ALL.

I GUESS THE ONLY OTHER THING I WOULD ADD IS THAT THIS IS A WONDERFUL EXAMPLE OF HOW A PUBLIC ART PROGRAM CAN BE USED CREATIVELY AND, WELL, I MEAN, SO OFTEN. WHEN DEVELOPMENTS OCCUR, THE OBLIGATION IS FULFILLED BY PROVIDING MONEY, NOT ART DIRECTLY, OR THE ART THAT IS PRODUCED IS ORDINARY.

BUT, YOU KNOW, CONGRATULATIONS TO THE THE NAPLES BEACH CLUB FOR REALLY OBVIOUSLY THINKING CREATIVELY AND ENGAGING PEOPLE LIKE YOU, MR. HARVEY, TO, TO HELP THEM THINK CREATIVELY, CREATIVELY AND PROCURE THESE PIECES.

I MEAN, IT'S REALLY YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT, IN ITS AGGREGATE FORM, GOES BEYOND ANYTHING ELSE WE'VE HAD HERE IN THIS TOWN FROM A PUBLIC ART STANDPOINT. SO LOTS OF PEOPLE SHOULD RECEIVE OUR THANKS FOR THAT.

THANK YOU. OKAY. AND YOUR PRESENTATION IS CONCLUDED.

WE'LL GO TO THE STAFF REPORT. GOOD AFTERNOON.

MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL ERIKA MARTIN, PLANNING DIRECTOR YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TODAY A REQUEST FOR APPROVAL OF PUBLIC ART.

THIS IS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY AND IS TO SATISFY THE PUBLIC ART REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN SECTION 4642 OF YOUR CODE OF ORDINANCES.

FOR CLARIFICATION, THE APPLICABILITY OF THIS SECTION REQUIRES THAT PROJECTS CONTAINING NEW NONRESIDENTIAL SQUARE FOOTAGE SHALL BE SUBJECT TO THE REQUIREMENTS HEREIN, AND THEY HAVE THE OPTION OF 2 OR 2 DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

ONE IS TO EITHER PAY THE ESTABLISHED FEE INTO PUBLIC ART FUND, OR TO OBTAIN APPROVAL TO ACQUIRE AND INSTALL ARTWORK ON SITE FOR THE PROPOSED PROJECT.

SO CLARIFICATION BEING THAT THEY'RE NOT USING THE PUBLIC ART FUND TO PAY FOR THIS ARTWORK, THEY ARE CHOOSING THE SECOND OPTION, WHICH IS TO OBTAIN APPROVAL TO ACQUIRE AND INSTALL THE ARTWORK ON THEIR OWN SITE.

SO THEY HAVE PAID INTO THE PUBLIC ART FUND EACH TIME THEY HAVE PULLED A BUILDING PERMIT.

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SO THE HOTEL HBS, SUNSET BEACH BAR, MARKET SQUARE.

SO THIS IS NOT APPLICABLE TO THE RESIDENCES. THIS IS JUST THE PERMITS THAT THEY'VE PULLED FOR THE NONRESIDENTIAL.

THEY HAVE PAID A TOTAL OF $465,373 INTO THE PUBLIC ART FUND.

I WOULD NOTE THAT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE VALUE OF THE ARTWORK THAT THEY'RE PLACING ON SITE EXCEEDS THAT, BUT THAT IS AT THEIR OWN COST. SO THEY'RE BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR APPROVAL OF WHAT WE'LL CALL A PUBLIC ART PROGRAM.

SO RATHER THAN ONE LARGE PIECE, THEY'VE CHOSEN SIX PIECES THAT THEY'VE DISTRIBUTED THROUGHOUT THOSE PORTIONS OF THE PROJECT.

ALL OF THE PIECES ARE IN PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE PORTIONS OF THE PROJECT.

SO THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY ALL, YOU KNOW, RIGHT UP TO THE RIGHT OF WAY, BUT THEY'RE ALL IN PORTIONS OF THE PROJECT THAT THE PUBLIC CAN ACCESS.

SO YOU'LL SEE TOURS ON THE BEACH. SO THE PUBLIC, YOU KNOW, WALKING UP AND DOWN THE BEACH CAN ACCESS THOSE.

AND THEN THE ONES ON MARKET SQUARE ARE EITHER VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY OR AS YOU WALK THROUGH THE PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE PORTIONS OF THE PROJECT A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN OTHER ITEMS THAT COME BEFORE YOU. THIS ONE ACTUALLY GOES TO THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD FOR A RECOMMENDATION INSTEAD OF THE PAB.

SO THIS DID GO BEFORE THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD IN SEPTEMBER.

A LITTLE BIT AGO. AND THEY DID RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS.

THERE IS ONE CONDITION THAT CAME OUT OF THAT REVIEW THAT'S IN YOUR RESOLUTION.

AND THAT CONDITION IS JUST TO ENSURE THAT THE SAMARI PIECE, DID I PRONOUNCE THAT CORRECTLY? SORRY. DOES NOT CREATE A LIFE SAFETY HAZARD. I THINK THEY ADDRESSED TODAY HOW THEY'RE GOING TO ORIENT THAT PIECE SO THAT THE REFLECTIVE PORTION DOES NOT FACE THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY. OTHER THAN THAT, I HAVE I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS.

GO AHEAD. HAVE WE MADE A DETERMINATION THAT A REFLECTIVE PIECE WOULD BE ANNOYING IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY, COULD BLIND PEOPLE, OR COULD CAUSE AN ISSUE JUST BECAUSE IT'S SO MUCH MORE OF A STATEMENT IF IT'S A SHINY PIECE. BUT SO WE HAVEN'T MADE THAT'S NOT A DETERMINATION THAT'S BEEN MADE.

WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY OBJECTIONS FROM ANY OTHER DEPARTMENTS. BUT I THINK IT ALL DEPENDS ON HOW THEY ORIENT THE PIECE, SO THAT THE REFLECTIVE PART ISN'T FACING THE RIGHT OF WAY, SO THAT WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN SOUTH GOLF, YOU'LL GET THE SLIDE UP HERE, YOU'LL GET THE BACKSIDE OF THAT PIECE OF ART, WHICH IS NON-REFLECTIVE.

WE ALSO HAD QUESTIONS TOO, AT THE DRB. THEY'RE GOING TO ORIENT IT SO THAT THE REFLECTIVE ISN'T IS ALSO NOT FACING THE GOLF COURSE, BECAUSE THAT COULD BE DISTRACTING TO GOLFERS.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE FACING THE BUILDING ITSELF.

OKAY. I YOU KNOW, I WAS JUST WONDERING LIKE AS A REFLECTIVE PIECE, WOULD IT WOULD IT BE A PROBLEM AT ALL? I JUST THINK IT'S PRETTIER WHEN IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S ALL REFLECTIVE.

BUT IF WE'VE DETERMINED THAT IT COULD CREATE A SAFETY ISSUE, THEN THAT DOESN'T YOU KNOW THAT.

I DON'T THINK WE'VE DETERMINED THAT IT WILL. BUT IT WAS A CONCERN THAT IT COULD. AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY'VE ORIENTED IT.

OKAY. AND THEN THE SECOND THING IS THE REQUIREMENT FOR THE PUBLIC ART IS THAT IT IS ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. EVEN IF IT'S ON PRIVATE PRIVATE PROPERTY.

SO IT'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

ALL OF THE PIECES, IF YOU'VE, YOU KNOW, THE ONE OVER HERE AT THE SAME AREA THAT'S ON THEIR PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO ALL OF THE PUBLIC ART IS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY. IT'S JUST REQUIRED THAT IT BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. SO EITHER VISIBLE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY OR IN AN AREA THAT IS ACCESSIBLE FOR THE PUBLIC.

OKAY. SO THAT STIPULATION IT CAN BE IT CAN JUST BE ACCESSIBLE, DOESN'T HAVE TO BE VISIBLE.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. AT BAKER PARK, THE PUBLIC ART IS ACTUALLY IN THE CEILING OF THE THE GOMEZ CENTER.

OKAY. BUT THAT'S A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE BUILDING.

SO THAT QUALIFIES OKAY. AND THEN IS THAT YOU KNOW, WHEN IT'S ACCESSIBLE, ARE THERE, YOU KNOW, IS IT 24 OVER SEVEN ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC? BECAUSE I DIDN'T READ THAT IN THE ORDINANCE. THE CODE DOESN'T REQUIRE THAT.

IT'S JUST THAT IT BE ACCESSIBLE. THAT'S THE ACTUAL WORDING IS THAT IT IS ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YEAH. KRAMER, I DON'T WANT TO PUT WORDS IN YOUR MOUTH, BUT I WOULD JUST SAY MY ASSUMPTION IS THAT THE NON-REFLECTIVE PART OF THAT PIECE OF ART IS STILL ESSENTIAL TO IT, THAT IT'S IT'S MADE FOR.

TO BE VIEWED IN THE ROUND, AND THAT THE CONTRAST BETWEEN THE TWO IS PART OF THE ESTHETIC.

IS THAT THE CASE? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY, THANKS. OKAY.

NO FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. OH, VICE MAYOR.

YEAH, JUST ON THE SAME ON THE DISCUSSION ON THE SUMMARY PIECE, IT'S OBVIOUS THAT A LOT OF THE DISCUSSION IS AROUND SUNLIGHT.

DO YOU KNOW IF THE PIECE WILL BE LIT AT NIGHT? THAT WOULD BE A QUESTION FOR THE PETITIONER, BUT I HAVE NOT HEARD THAT. OKAY. YES, THAT IS A.

I'M GUESSING THERE ARE SOME REGULATIONS THAT WOULD PREVENT UP LIGHTING IN THAT LOCATION.

YEAH, THE THE STATE OF FLORIDA TURTLE LIGHTING ORDINANCES ARE IN PLACE AND THEREFORE UPLIGHTS ARE NOT ALLOWED.

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I JUST WANTED PEOPLE TO THINK ABOUT THAT. AND MADAM MAYOR, WHENEVER IT'S APPROPRIATE, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

OKAY. I HAVE ONE PUBLIC SPEAKER, LORI THORNE.

GOOD AFTERNOON. IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. YES. HI. EXCUSE ME.

GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS LORI THORNE. I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE CONSERVANCY OF SOUTHWEST FLORIDA.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TODAY.

I JUST WANT TO MAKE A QUICK MENTION. LAKE PARK CAME LAST WEEK, AND THEY WALKED ACROSS THE BRIDGE, AS THEY ALWAYS DO. SO WHEN YOU SAID THAT, I WAS LIKE, THEY JUST CAME LAST WEEK.

SO I WANT TO SHARE OUR STRONG SUPPORT FOR THE SUGAR LIFT PUBLIC ART PROGRAM PROPOSED FOR THE NAPLES BEACH CLUB.

PUBLIC ART CAN DO MORE THAN BEAUTIFY A SPACE.

IT CAN HELP PEOPLE CONNECT WITH THE NATURAL WORLD AROUND THEM.

THIS PROGRAM DOES EXACTLY THAT. WHAT EXCITES US IS HOW THESE SCULPTURES BRING TOGETHER CREATIVITY AND CONSERVATION.

ONE OF THE FEATURED STORIES, THE FLORIDA STATE SHELL, THE HORSE CONCH, IS ESPECIALLY MEANINGFUL.

THE HORSE CONCH IS AN ICONIC SYMBOL OF OUR COASTLINE.

TELLING THE STORY THROUGH PUBLIC ART IS A POWERFUL AND ACCESSIBLE WAY TO SPARK CURIOSITY AND HELP PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES FACING OUR COASTAL ECOSYSTEMS. THE OPPORTUNITY TO LINK THESE SCULPTURES TO EDUCATIONAL CONTENT IS EQUALLY IMPORTANT.

IT GIVES RESIDENTS VISITORS A CHANCE TO LEARN ABOUT MORE ABOUT SOUTHWEST FLORIDA'S WATER, WILDLIFE, AND HABITATS IN A WAY THAT'S ENGAGING AND MEMORABLE.

THIS ALIGNS CLOSELY WITH THE CONSERVANCY'S MISSION AND WITH THE VALUES OF OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH HAS ALWAYS TAKEN PRIDE IN BOTH THE ARTS AND ENVIRONMENTAL STEWARDSHIP.

THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARDS UNANIMOUS APPROVAL SPEAKS TO THE QUALITY OF THIS PROJECT AND THE EXCITEMENT AROUND IT.

WE ENCOURAGE THE COUNCIL TO CONTINUE SUPPORTING THIS INITIATIVE AND TO SEE IT AS A MEANINGFUL OPPORTUNITY TO INSPIRE CONSERVATION THROUGH CREATIVITY.

I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND YOUR CONTINUED COMMITMENT TO PROTECTING WHAT MAKES NAPLES SUCH A SPECIAL PLACE.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. MAYOR, WE WE ACTUALLY DO HAVE ONE MORE PUBLIC COMMENT.

IF IF WE'RE ABLE. YES. THANK YOU, MISS SMALLWOOD.

OH NO, NO. HELLO, I'M JOAN SMALLWOOD. I KNOW MANY OF YOU. MOST OF YOU AND MOST OF YOU WERE INVOLVED IN THE PARK SHORE WORK OF DAVID TURNER WITH THE GREAT BLUE HERONS IN FLIGHT, WHICH MIMICKED OUR PARK SHORE LOGO AND OUR PARK SHORE BEACH THEME.

YOU ALL WERE THERE IN THE PHOTO. THAT'S IN THE PRESENTATION I RECOGNIZED.

FIVE OF YOU IN THAT PHOTO, AND I'VE WORKED WITH DAVID AND BILL TURNER FOR MANY YEARS.

IN FACT, I HAVE TO SAY A LITTLE ASIDE, BACK IN 1987, I WAS ASKED TO DO A PRESENTATION AT THE PORT ROYAL FACILITY FOR THEIR ANTIQUE SHOW, AND THEY WANTED SCULPTURE AS PART OF THIS PRESENTATION.

AND OF COURSE, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF SCULPTURE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IN AN ENGLISH GARDEN THEME.

AND THE WHOLE THEME WAS ENGLISH GARDENS. AND SO I WORKED WITH BILL AND DAVID TURNER TO CREATE THE FIRST GREAT BLUE HERON FOR THAT, THAT PRESENTATION IN 1987. SO AND SINCE THEN I'VE WORKED WITH THE TURNERS IN MANY, MANY PLACES IN THE BAY COLONY BEACH CLUB. THERE'S AN ALLIGATOR WITH AN IBIS IN THEIR KOI POND THAT I DESIGNED AND WAS HONORED AT THE WHITE HOUSE FOR THE ENVIRONMENTAL FIRST LADY'S ENVIRONMENTAL IMPROVEMENT AWARD UNDER HILLARY CLINTON. SO A LOT OF LOT OF HISTORY IN NAPLES.

YOU KNOW, THAT THEY GO BACK TO WHAT THEY'VE DONE TO SO MANY OTHER PLACES.

I THINK THERE'S 15 PUBLIC PLACES IN NAPLES THAT HAVE BILL AND DAVID TURNER SCULPTURES THAT THAT PEOPLE MAY NOT REALIZE.

AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE REDOING THE SCULPTURE.

ONE OF THE ORIGINAL SCULPTURES OF THE PANTHER, I THINK, AT THE CONSERVANCY.

I THINK THEY'RE DONATING SERVICES FOR THAT. CORRECT.

SO THEY'RE A HUGE. AND THEY YOU MAY NOT KNOW HOW HUGE THE TURNER SCULPTURE WORK IS, BUT IT'S THERE IN THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PLACES IN THE UNITED STATES, LIKE THE SMITHSONIAN. AND MANY, MANY, MANY IMPORTANT PLACES.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OH, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.

AND ALWAYS YOU'RE ONE OF THE ICONIC COMMUNITY LEADERS THAT HAS MADE SURE THAT YOU'VE STAYED INVOLVED IN MAKING OUR COMMUNITY BEAUTIFUL IN MORE WAYS THAN ONE.

SO. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT WAS VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR, AND APPRECIATE ALL

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AND PURSUANT TO SECTION 4642 OF THE CITY OF NAPLES, CODE OF ORDINANCES, INCLUDING, THAT IS, APPROVAL TO INCLUDE ONE CONDITION AS DESCRIBED IN THE AGENDA PACKET.

THAT CONDITION THAT THE SOMALI PEACE DOES NOT FACE THE PUBLIC RIGHT AWAY IN A MANNER WHICH OBSCURES VISIBILITY.

I HAVE A MOTION BY VICE MAYOR. SECOND, I HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON.

MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER.

KRAMER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. CHRISTMAN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER.

PETRINO. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. VICE MAYOR.

HUTCHINSON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENNIMAN. AN ENTHUSIASTIC AND RESOUNDING YES! MAYOR HARTMAN. YES. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. AND MR. CARTWRIGHT, YOU WERE NOT AT THE EVENT YESTERDAY WITH GOOD REASONING.

BUT ON BEHALF OF THIS COUNCIL AND THOSE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT WERE THERE YOU DID A GREAT JOB.

YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO TURN OUT, ESPECIALLY WITH THAT LARGE SCALE AND DENSITY.

BUT IT, IT DOES HAVE THE OLD TIME COTTAGES AND HAS THAT SIMPLE ELEGANCE THAT THIS COMMUNITY APPRECIATES.

SO. WELL DONE. EXCELLENT WORK. THANK YOU. VERY WELL DONE.

WITH THAT O. I'LL ALSO LET YOU KNOW THAT MR. YOUNG GETS TO MAKE ALL THE PLACEMENT DECISIONS.

I NOTICED IN THERE, SO. I BET YOU DIDN'T READ THAT.

OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.

OKAY, THAT TAKES US TO ITEM 14 B. YES. THANK YOU MAYOR.

[14.B) Announcement of Executive Session regarding Riccardo, Theresa v. City of Naples, Case No. 24-CA-002400, 20th Judicial Circuit, in and for Collier County, Florida.]

AS YOU RECALL, THE ENTIRE SESSION WILL BE RECORDED AND WILL BE MADE AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC INSPECTION.

AFTER THE CASE IS RESOLVED, FOLLOWING INDIVIDUALS WILL BE PRESENT DURING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION.

MAYOR TERESA HEITMANN, COUNCIL MEMBERS TERRY HUTCHISON, RAY CHRISTMAN, BETH PETRANOFF, BILL KRAMER, LINDA PENMAN, BERNARD BARTON, CITY MANAGER GARY YOUNG, CITY ATTORNEY MATTHEW MCCONNELL, ATTORNEY JEFFREY HARCOMBE, AND A REPRESENTATIVE FROM DINES COURT REPORTING. PERFECT.

THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM 15 A. MR. MCCONNELL.

[15.A) An Ordinance Amending Section 30-336 Stormwater Management Utility Fees Set Forth in Appendix “A” Fees and Charges Schedule of the Code of Ordinances, City of Naples, To Reflect a Four-Year Annual Rate Adjustment;  Providing for Codification; Conflicts; Severability; Correction of Scrivener’s Errors; Construction; Publication; And an Effective Date.]

CONFLICT, SEVERABILITY, CORRECTION OF SCRIVENER'S ERRORS, CONSTRUCTION, PUBLICATION AND EFFECTIVE DATE. ANY COMMENTS? THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY MAYOR IS THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF OUR WORKSHOP ITEM WHERE WE DISCUSS THE FOUR RATE FOUR YEAR IMPLEMENTATION OF STORMWATER RATE INCREASE FOR STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE REPLACEMENT OVER TIME.

AND THIS IS THE FIRST READING OF THAT ORDINANCE, AND I RESPECTFULLY THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION.

THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR. MADAM MAYOR, UNLESS THERE'S SOME DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM, I'M READY TO MAKE A MOTION.

I WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE ARE NO PUBLIC COMMENT.

YES, PLEASE. I MOVE APPROVAL OF THIS ITEM. AN ORDINANCE AMENDING SECTION 3336, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT UTILITY FEES SET FORTH IN APPENDIX A FEES AND CHARGES. I HAVE A MOTION BY VICE MAYOR.

OKAY. AND A SECOND AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BENJAMIN.

NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL.

COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON.

YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. YES. VICE MAYOR.

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CRISMAN. YES. MAYOR. YES. IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.

AND IF THAT'S NOT AN EXAMPLE OF HOW SOMEBODY GETS LEGISLATION DONE, MR. YOUNG, I'M IMPRESSED. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU.

OKAY. SO THERE'S NO SECOND READINGS, AND I DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT.

CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GO TO CORRESPONDENCE AND COMMUNICATIONS.

[18) COMMUNICATIONS FROM MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, AND STAFF]

I SAY THIS WITH ALL RESPECT. WE GET PEOPLE COMING UP HERE A LOT OF TIMES AND TALK ABOUT HOW WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN MIAMI.

MY MOTHER IN LAW WAS BORN IN MIAMI IN 1929. SHE'S STILL ALIVE.

HI, GRANNY. SHE WATCHES THIS, SO I JUST. AND SHE TELLS ME ABOUT THAT.

THOSE TIME IN THE 40S. AND SO, JUST SO FOLKS ARE CLEAR, MIAMI IN 1940 HAD 8100 BUILDINGS OVER 50FT 20.3MI². WE ARE 12.3MI². THEY HAD A POPULATION OF 172,172. THAT WAS IN 1940. WE ARE NOT MIAMI. THAT'S HYPERBOLE.

I UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE USE IT. WHY PEOPLE USE IT.

I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT'S JUST NOT THE CASE.

THE OTHER THING THIS IS FOR GRANNY TOO, WHO'S SCARED TO DEATH TO FLY EVEN WHEN THEY HAD TO GIVE HER HER.

HER LITTLE BROTHER WAS THE FIRST NASCAR RACER TO RACE INDY CARS AS WELL.

AND IN THE INDIANAPOLIS 500 AND PLACED TOP TEN A COUPLE OF TIMES AND ALL THAT.

AND SO TO GET HER THERE, THEY HAD TO KNOCK HER OUT WITH VALIUM. SO SHE'S SCARED TO DEATH OF FLYING. SO.

AND SHE WATCHES THESE MEETINGS. SO, GRANNY, HERE'S THE THING. AND WITH RESPECT TO THE VICE MAYOR, THIS DATA IS FROM THE NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION THERE.

AND SO DON'T WORRY ABOUT US FLYING BECAUSE IT SAYS THERE ARE NOT MORE AIRCRAFT ACCIDENTS NOW THAN HISTORICALLY.

DATA FROM THE NTSB SHOW THE CONSISTENT LONG TERM DECLINE, AND WE'RE AT THE LOWEST ALL TIME IN NOVEMBER 2025.

IT ALSO SAYS THE REASON PEOPLE THINK THAT THERE IS WHY THE PERCEPTION, MEDIA AND SOCIAL AMPLIFICATION, HIGH VISIBILITY CRASHES, THE POTOMAC AND THE BEARING EVENTS, AND WE GET OUTSIDE COVERAGE, CREATING A FREQUENCY ILLUSION. SO IT'S EVERYTHING'S COOL.

GRANT. OKAY. AND FINALLY I WANT TO SAY WE HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.

WE TALKED ABOUT THE AIRPORT MOVING FORWARD. WE TALK ABOUT STRATEGIES AND WHAT WE CAN DO STRATEGICALLY TO HELP EXPAND THE SPACE BETWEEN LANDINGS TO.

I DON'T LIKE TO USE METER TRAFFIC BECAUSE THE FAA DOESN'T LIKE THAT, BUT A WAY TO REDUCE THE FREQUENCY OF FLIGHTS.

WE HAVE BYRON DONALDS IS RUNNING FOR GOVERNOR.

HIS SEAT IS GOING TO BE OPEN. THERE'S EITHER 12 OR 14 PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALREADY SAID THEY WANT THAT SEAT.

THE MORE PEOPLE THERE ARE, THE MORE THAT THE VOTES OF THE 18,000 PEOPLE IN THE CITY OF NAPLES AND THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS MATTER, BECAUSE IT GETS VERY DILUTED WITH THAT HIGH NUMBER OF OF PEOPLE THAT ARE RUNNING.

AND SO IF WE COULD MAKE A CONCERTED EFFORT AND FIND A CANDIDATE AND THEN UNITE OUR NEIGHBORHOODS AND SAY, HEY, YOU WANT 18,000 VOTES, THEN YOU HAVE TO MAKE A COMMITMENT TO US, OR WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE FAA AND WE'RE GOING TO GET SOMETHING DONE ABOUT THIS AND FIND THAT CANDIDATE THAT'S WILLING TO DO THAT AND WORK FROM THE GROUND UP IN THAT REGARD.

I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE BECAUSE WE HAVE TIME TO DO THAT, BECAUSE WE'RE FAR ENOUGH OUT FROM THAT ELECTION CYCLE. THANKS, EVERYBODY, FOR A GOOD DAY.

THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER PETRINO. NOTHING TODAY.

THANK YOU. CHRIS. JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK THINGS ON ON GOING BACK TO PUBLIC COMMENT WE RECEIVED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING.

THERE WAS A MRS. RUDD CAME IN AND SPOKE ABOUT CAMBIER PARK AND EXPRESSED CONCERNS ABOUT THE NEED FOR MORE INFORMATION OR SIGNAGE OR COMMUNICATION FROM THE CITY ABOUT THE STATUS OF CAMBIER PARK.

I HAVE NO IDEA WHETHER YOU KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING IS VIEWED, MR. YOUNG, BY YOU AND STAFF AS AS SUFFICIENT. I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, PUT PUT A.

MAKE A POINT OF RAISING IT AND CERTAINLY I, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF RECEIVED A NUMBER OF COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE WHO JUST SAY, GEE, I'M SURPRISED THE PLAYGROUNDS, YOU KNOW, SHUT DOWN OR WHATEVER.

AND WHAT'S GOING ON? SO, YOU KNOW, THE MORE WE CAN OVERCOMMUNICATE ON WHAT WE'RE DOING AND WHY, THE BETTER. AGREED, SIR. AND WE HAVE TRIED TO PUT OUT TEMPORARY THINGS ALONG THE FENCING WHERE WE CLOSED IT OFF.

BUT WE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST DID THE PURCHASE ORDER.

I THINK IT WAS LAST THURSDAY FOR THE REMOVAL.

AND WE'LL PUT A MORE PERMANENT SIGN THERE AS WELL.

SO I DID REACH OUT TO CHAD WHILE THE CONVERSATION WAS GOING ON, AS WELL AS THE TRASH CAN DISCUSSION,

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THAT'S THE KEY IS TO TO TO DO THAT COMPONENT AS WELL.

YEAH I'M SURE YOU ARE. AND AGAIN JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE IT.

AND THEN MR. BARANNIKOV BROUGHT UP AMONG OTHER THINGS BAYVIEW PARK AND I MET WITH HIM SOME MONTHS AGO, AND HE MENTIONED IT TO ME IN THAT CONVERSATION.

AND THERE WAS NEVER ANY FOLLOW UP, BUT I'M NOT I'M NOT INTIMATELY FAMILIAR.

I GENERALLY KNOW ABOUT IT AND WHERE THE WHERE THE LOCATION IS AND SO ON.

AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER IT'S A A FORGOTTEN ASSET OF THE CITY AND, AND NEEDS OUR ATTENTION OR NOT, BUT JUST WANT TO, AGAIN, EMPHASIZE THE NEED TO MAKE SURE SOMEBODY IS LOOKING INTO THAT.

I WILL DO SO. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN MARTIN. YES.

AND JUST TO ADD ON TO BOTH WHAT COUNCILMAN CRAMER AND COUNCILMAN KRISEMAN HAD MENTIONED WITH CRAMER, I ALSO WOULD EMPHASIZE THAT WE'VE GOT FEWER PEOPLE LIVING, FEWER RESIDENTS IN THE CITY OF NAPLES TODAY THAN WE DID THREE YEARS AGO.

SO AGAIN, LET'S, YOU KNOW, TAKE IT ALL INTO PERSPECTIVE HERE.

IT'S WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT MINI MIAMI OR OR FUTURE FORT LAUDERDALE.

AND THEN IN REFERENCE TO THE PARK. AND I KNOW THIS IS EARLY FOR THIS, BUT I JUST WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA AND IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN COUNCILMAN, KRAMER SAID. AND IF IT WASN'T, I APOLOGIZE. WHOEVER GREAT IDEA IT WAS. BUT TO PUT A QR CODE ON THAT, THAT THEY IT'LL GIVE THEM A JUMP TO A SITE THAT WILL SHOW THEM THE PLANS AND, AND WHEN IT'S GOING TO BE BUILT AND WHEN IT'S EXPECTED TO BE FINISHED AND ALL THAT JAZZ.

AND AGAIN, I KNOW THAT'S TOO EARLY FOR THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT DEFINITELY HAVE THAT ON THE GAME PLAN IF WE CAN, BECAUSE THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. THANK YOU. VERY MUCH.

VICE MAYOR JUST TWO THINGS, REALLY. FIRST, ON SAFETY BOLLARDS AND WHATEVER DIRECTION WE GO, WHETHER WALLS OR BIG PLANTERS, ETC.. I WAS APPROACHED BY A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY YESTERDAY AND SAID THAT THERE MIGHT BE MERIT IF WE MOVE WHICHEVER WAY WE MOVE FORWARD, BUT SPECIFICALLY THOSE LARGE PLANTERS THAT ACTUALLY ACT AS SAFETY DEVICES, THAT THERE'S MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD WELCOME AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPONSOR CERTAIN ONES OF THOSE.

SO JUST AN IDEA. I KNOW THAT GETS COMPLICATED, BUT JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.

I ALSO WANTED TO POINT OUT QUICKLY WE ALL KNOW OF THE COMMENT THAT COUNCILMAN CRAMER MADE ABOUT COMPARING TO MIAMI, AND IT'S IT'S BEEN SOMETHING THAT I READ MANY YEARS AGO THAT KIND OF STUCK WITH ME.

AND THEY HAD A MAYOR, FRANCIS SUAREZ, AND HE WAS COMMENTING ABOUT OVERDEVELOPMENT IN BRICKELL.

AND IT CAME WHEN HE VETOED A REZONING REQUEST FOR A 24 STORY BUILDING CALLED THE BABYLON SITE.

AND HE MADE A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE AND I BELIEVE IT RESONATES WITH OUR COMMUNITY, HE SAID. THIS UP ZONING IS OUT OF SCALE WITH THE REMAINING ZONES IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA AND WOULD EXACERBATE TRAFFIC, HE SAID. BRICKELL'S AT THE BREAKING POINT IN TERMS OF DENSITY, NOTING SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT CONGESTION AND ANOTHER STATEMENT HE MADE, BRICKELL IS THE MOST DENSE IN THE AREA, MOST DENSE.

IT'S AT THE EDGE OF ITS CAPACITY AND AS A CITY WE CONTINUE TO GROW.

WE CONTINUE DEALING WITH TRAFFIC PROBLEMS AND VEHICLE CONGESTION.

SO ANOTHER STATEMENT HE MADE IS HE REGRETS A IS A MAYOR.

BEFORE SUAREZ, HE REGRETTED THE DEVELOPMENT DECISIONS THAT BROUGHT BRICKELL TO WHERE IT WAS.

SO I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS KEY. I DON'T THINK THAT OUR CITY IS HEADED IN THAT DIRECTION.

I CERTAINLY HOPE NOT. BUT JUST TO REALIZE IT'S JUST ACROSS ALLIGATOR ALLEY THAT PEOPLE ARE HAVING REGRETS AS TO THE EXTENT THAT DENSITY AND INTENSITY AND CONGESTION HAS NOW BECOME A WAY OF LIFE OVER THERE.

SO THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. MR. MCCONNELL, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING OR CORRESPONDENCE? YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO WISH EVERYONE A SAFE AND HAPPY THANKSGIVING, SINCE WE WON'T SEE EACH OTHER UNTIL AFTER THAT.

SO HOPE EVERYONE HAS A GREAT TIME WITH FAMILY AND ENJOYS THE TIME OFF.

MR. YOUNG? NOTHING FOR ME TODAY, MAYOR. OKAY I THINK BAYVIEW PARK IS IN THE COUNTY, SO I WE NEED

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I DIDN'T HAVE THE INFORMATION TO COMMENT, SO I WROTE IT DOWN, AND I WILL CIRCLE BACK, MA'AM.

GOT IT. I WASN'T GOING TO ANSWER IF I DIDN'T KNOW SOMETHING.

SO YOU KNOW, I THINK I THINK JUST TO CLARIFY THAT I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, BECAUSE I BELIEVE BAYVIEW PARK WAS WHERE WE ENTERED INTO AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY FOR THE STORAGE OF MATERIALS FROM THE PIER, ISN'T IT? YEAH. YEAH, I THINK SO. I JUST, I MEAN, IT JUST CAME BACK TO ME, SO.

THAT'S RIGHT, THAT'S RIGHT. THAT IS. THAT IS RIGHT.

ACTUALLY, I FORGOT ABOUT THAT. YEAH, I WAS ON JOLLY BRIDGE, BUT YES, THAT IS TRUE.

YEAH. SO, SO YEAH. WELL, WITH THAT I WANT TO WISH OUR STAFF AND COMMUNITY A BLESSED THANKSGIVING, THAT THEY'LL BE SAFE AND PROTECTED.

AND WITH THAT, WE WON'T HAVE A MEETING UNTIL DECEMBER 5TH.

NO, DECEMBER 3RD. THIRD. SO WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.