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          GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO THE CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP THIS BEAUTIFUL NOVEMBER 17TH,
2025. 
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MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. CHRISTMAN HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. CRAMER HERE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN HERE. COUNCILMEMBER PETRANOFF HERE. 
          VICE MAYOR HUTCHINSON HERE. MAYOR HEITMANN HERE. 
          THANK YOU. COUNCIL. AND FOR THOSE JOINING US,
PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. 
          I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR
WHICH IT STANDS. 
          ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          GOOD MORNING, MR. YOUNG. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. 
          MAYOR. HOW ARE YOU? GOOD, GOOD. THANK YOU. SETTING THE AGENDA. 
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ITEM THREE. I DO HAVE ONE CHANGE. ITEM SEVEN A THE DISCUSSION FOR THE CITY'S ROLE IN THE
MAINTENANCE OF SWAN LAKE. 
          WATER QUALITY. STAFF HAS REQUESTED THAT WE CONTINUE THIS TO A FUTURE MEETING. 
          WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THE SERVICE FOR ANOTHER SIX MONTHS,
HOPING TO COME BACK IN MARCH OR APRIL. 
          IT'S A GOOD TIMETABLE, AND WE JUST HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ON IT. 
          AND SO WE THOUGHT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO TO PULL IT OR CONTINUE IT AT THIS TIME TO A FUTURE
MEETING. 
          SO THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS COUNCIL OR CHANGES TO THE AGENDA. 
          MOTION TO SET THE AGENDA. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE AGENDA. 
          WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM SEVEN A, WHICH WILL BE CONTINUED TO A FUTURE DATE. 
          THANK YOU. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CHRISTMANN AND A SECOND BY VICE
MAYOR. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNED BY I. I. THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM FOUR,
A THE PRESENTATION FROM THE COLLIER COUNTY MOSQUITO 
          [4.A) Presentation from the Collier Mosquito Control District.]
CONTROL. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. I KNOW THAT YOU'VE INVITED ALL OF COUNCIL OUT TO VISIT,
AND SOME HAVE BEEN ABLE TO GO AND SOME HAVE NOT. 
          SO I APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN AND YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          WELL IT'S IT'S OUR PLEASURE TO BE HERE AND JUST A LITTLE HOUSEKEEPING I'M GOING TO. 
          SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO ME FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE OF THE PRESENTATION. 
          I ALSO HAVE MY DIRECTOR OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS,
JOHN LITTLE, WHO WILL BE HANDLING THE LAST PORTION OF THE PRESENTATION. 
          AND AND I'M SORRY, COULD YOU JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? YES, ABSOLUTELY. MY NAME IS PATRICK LYNN. I'M THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AT THE COLLIER
MOSQUITO CONTROL DISTRICT. 
          AND JUST AS A A A LITTLE PRIMER IS THAT WE ARE NOT A COUNTY ASSOCIATED ORGANIZATION. 
          WE ARE A INDEPENDENT SPECIAL TAXING DISTRICT. 
          SO IT IS THERE IS NOT A COUNTY IN OUR NAME. SO ANYWAY,
I'M SURE YOU CAN ALL SEE THE PRESENTATION IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE UPDATE ON WELL,
WHERE WE'RE GOING. 
          RIGHT. BUT FIRST TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHO WE ARE AND WHAT WE DO. 
          AND, AND THEN IT'S NO MYSTERY THAT THE, THE DISTRICT HAS BEEN IN COLLIER FOR A VERY LONG
TIME, SPECIFICALLY IN NAPLES. AND AS A MATTER OF FACT,
THIS IS OUR 75TH CONTINUOUS YEAR OF SERVICE TO THE CITY AND THE DISTRICT OF OF WITHIN COLLIER. AND SORRY,
I'M JUST GETTING OVER A LITTLE COLD. SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO FIRST IS TO JUST SORT OF WALK YOU THROUGH OUR MISSION VISION, TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHO MAKES UP OUR COMPLEMENT OF EMPLOYEES AND THEN GIVE YOU AN IDEA
ABOUT THE OPERATIONAL ASPECTS OF WHAT WE DO AND THEN WHAT WE'RE HOPING FOR AS TIME GOES ON. 
          THE FIRST AND FOREMOST, THE MISSION OF THE COLLIER MOSQUITO CONTROL DISTRICT IS ONE OF
PROTECTING PUBLIC HEALTH. 
          IT CAME INTO BEING 75 YEARS AGO. 1950 WAS THE YEAR,
SIX SQUARE MILES IN THE TOWN OF NAPLES. 
          AND IT CAME INTO BEING MOSTLY BECAUSE OF WHAT WE NOW CALL THE SALT MARSH SALTMARSH
MOSQUITO SEASON, AND THIS YEAR WAS CERTAINLY NO EXCEPTION. WE HAD A HORRENDOUS SALTMARSH SEASON. 
          THE LAST TIME WE HAD ONE THIS BAD WAS 2017. SO WE AIM TO PROVIDE VALUABLE SERVICE TO OUR
COMMUNITY THROUGH THE SUPPRESSION, 
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NOT THE ELIMINATION OF DISEASE CARRYING AND NUISANCE MOSQUITOES. 
          I CAN SAY WITH CONFIDENCE, AFTER HAVING BEEN HERE FOR SEVERAL DECADES,
THAT AIR CONDITIONING AND MOSQUITO CONTROL PLAY A BIG ROLE IN THE QUALITY OF LIFE HERE IN NAPLES. 
          OUR VISION IS TO CONTRIBUTE TO A HEALTHY, HIGH QUALITY OF LIFE AND IN SOUTHWEST FLORIDA
AND BEYOND BY UPHOLDING THE PUBLIC TRUST. 
          THERE IS AN ENORMOUS DEGRADATION IN THE TRUST IN GOVERNMENT THESE DAYS. 
          AND BECAUSE WE ARE A GOVERNMENT AGENCY, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE NOT IMMUNE TO THAT. 
          BUT I'D LIKE TO ASSURE YOU ALL THAT THAT THAT WE ARE VERY RESPONSIBLE EXPERTS IN WHAT WE
DO AND WE SEEK TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, ADVANCE THE SCIENCE OF MOSQUITO CONTROL,
AND PROVIDE A VALUE THAT FAR OUTWEIGHS THE INVESTMENT. 
          I ALREADY MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE 1950. 
          OUR AERIAL PROGRAM STARTED IN 1965 WITH SOME OLDER BEECHCRAFT AIRCRAFT. 
          AND WE'RE STILL IT'S REALLY THE ONLY WAY TO GET TO THE ACREAGE THAT WE NEED TO GET TO. 
          THE CURRENT CAMPUS ON THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE AIRPORT OPENED IN 1990,
AND IT WAS, AS A NEWSPAPER ARTICLE, VERY INTERESTING SAYS IT WAS STATE OF THE ART. 
          AND 35 YEARS LATER IT IS AT THE END OF ITS USEFUL LIFE. 
          THE BUILDINGS ARE. THAT IS, THE BOUNDARIES OF THE DISTRICT HAVE EXPANDED WITH THE
EXPLOSIVE AND SIGNIFICANT SPRAWL AND GROWTH IN COLLIER COUNTY. 
          WE RECENTLY, IN 2024 HAD OUR 11TH EXPANSION,
AND NOW WE'RE UP OVER 730MI². 
          BY THE WAY, THAT EXPANSION IT WAS REQUIRED THAT WE ENGAGE IN A REFERENDUM AND MORE THAN
70% OF THOSE WHO VOTED IN THAT PRIMARY WANTED MOSQUITO CONTROL IN,
IN THE AREAS TO WHICH WE MOVED INTO NOW. SO THERE IS SIGNIFICANT SUPPORT FOR MOSQUITO CONTROL. 
          AND I THINK IT'S IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO JUST REMIND EVERYONE THAT,
AGAIN, WE WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND WE ARE HERE TO PROTECT PUBLIC HEALTH WITHOUT US. YOU'RE LOOKING AT LOTS OF MALARIA AND DENGUE LOCALLY
TRANSMITTED IN THIS CITY AND COUNTY. WE'RE AN INDEPENDENT SPECIAL TAXING DISTRICT. 
          I MENTIONED THIS A FEW MOMENTS AGO. WE HAVE A FIVE MEMBER BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS,
AND WE ARE ON A THREE AND TWO ELECTION CYCLE. 
          THE TERMS ARE FOUR YEARS AND IN 26 WE HAVE THREE SEATS THAT ARE UP AGAIN. OUR CURRENT BOARD HAS BEEN REMARKABLY SUPPORTIVE IN THE DISTRICT'S EFFORTS TO
FOLLOW THROUGH WITH THE INVESTMENT THAT I ACTUALLY REQUESTED STARTING IN 2017. 
          IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD. WE ARE FUNDED ENTIRELY BY AD VALOREM TAXES. 
          AND IT'S NO MYSTERY THAT WEST OF 75 AND MORE SO WEST OF 41,
WE HAVE OUR, OUR OUR BIGGEST FINANCIAL SUPPORTERS. AND I CAN ASSURE YOU ALL THAT EVERYONE WITHIN THE DISTRICT
BOUNDARIES RECEIVES THE SAME EXCELLENT SERVICE. 
          AS A MATTER OF FACT, I WOULD SAY THAT FOR EVERY DOLLAR THAT'S INVESTED IN US,
YOU'LL DEFINITELY GET MORE THAN A DOLLAR'S WORTH OF SERVICE. 
          JUST A FEW PHOTOGRAPHS TAKE YOU BACK IN TIME. 
          THE LARGE PHOTOGRAPH ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE IS OUR FACILITY AS IT WAS BEING CONSTRUCTED IN
1989. 
          AND I KNOW GENERALLY WE THINK, WHAT WAS I DOING IN 1989? WELL, THAT'S WHAT WAS GOING ON IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE FIELD. 
          OVER ON THE TOP LEFT, YOU SEE THE FINISHED FACILITY. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE, IF YOU LOOK VERY CLOSELY, A MIXTURE OF DC THREE SECONDS AND WHAT WE'RE
NEW TO US. 
          THEN THE SKYVANS, WHICH CAME ALL THE WAY FROM AUSTRALIA,
AND A SERIES OF MD 500 HELICOPTERS. 
          BOTTOM LEFT IS NOT YOUR IMAGINATION. YOU'RE ACTUALLY LOOKING AT OUR FACILITY ON THE FAR
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AND THAT IS COURTESY OF HURRICANE IAN. AND INTERESTINGLY,
WE HAD UNDERGONE SOME REMODELING. 
          AND WE GOT THE CO ONE WEEK BEFORE IAN HIT AND IAN CAME THROUGH AND WIPED IT OUT. 
          AND WE HAD TO DO THE WHOLE THING OVER AGAIN. AND WE'VE BEEN,
WE'VE BEEN IN A KIND OF A TIGHT SQUEEZE EVER SINCE THEN. IT'S BEEN THERE HAVE BEEN CHALLENGES PRETTY MUCH EVERY YEAR. 
          LET'S JUST SAY THAT. SO I AM EXCEEDINGLY GRATEFUL THAT THIS YEAR WAS AS QUIET AS IT WAS IN
TERMS OF HURRICANES. 
          HERE WE SEE A PHOTO OR A MAP OF THE THE COUNTY. 
          THE THE DISTRICT IS OUTLINED IN GREEN. YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S AN ENORMITY OF PUBLIC
LANDS, AND THOSE PUBLIC LANDS ARE EXTREMELY PRODUCTIVE WHEN IT COMES TO SALT MARSH MOSQUITOES. 
          AND THOSE SALT MARSH MOSQUITOES CAN EASILY TRAVEL 40 TO 60 MILES ON THE WIND. 
          SO SOME MAY ASK, WELL WHY DID WE HAVE SUCH A BAD SEASON IN 2017? THE ANSWER IS THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT BECAUSE WE CAN'T TREAT THOSE AREAS
OUTSIDE THE DISTRICT. 
          SO WE'RE PROACTIVE WHERE WE CAN BE AND REACTIVE. 
          A LOT OF THE TIME TRYING TO TRYING TO TO TO KEEP MOSQUITO CONTROL OR. 
          EXCUSE ME, MOSQUITO POPULATIONS UNDER CONTROL. 
          THERE IS A AT LEAST THIS IS THE PLAN THAT THAT I AND MY TEAM HAVE DEMONSTRATED TO OUR
BOARD. 
          AND IT IS A THREE PRONGED APPROACH TO EXECUTING THE VISION OF THE DISTRICT. 
          IT INCLUDES UPDATING FACILITIES WHICH ARE AT THE END OF THEIR USEFUL LIFE. 
          WE'RE ALSO WORKING ON A LEASE AT THE IMMOKALEE AIRPORT AND GOING TO HOPEFULLY BE ABLE TO
PUT A HANGAR OUT THERE, WHICH WILL ALLOW US AN ADDITIONAL LOCATION FROM WHICH TO OPERATE. 
          WE'RE UPDATING OUR FIXED WING FLEETS AS WELL AS OUR FLEET. 
          WE HAVE WE'RE TAKING DELIVERY OF A CESSNA SKYCOURIER,
WHICH IS A TWIN ENGINE TURBOPROP, IN APRIL OF 2026. AND WE'RE WE CONTINUE TO AUGMENT OUR DRONE PROGRAM. 
          WE'VE HAD KIND OF A BUMPY ROAD THERE WITH SOME LEGISLATIVE CHANGES IN THE LAST COUPLE OF
YEARS. 
          AND THEN THE THIRD LEG IS AND THIS IS PROBABLY WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT IS PEOPLE. 
          WE ARE. SINCE I TOOK OVER AS DIRECTOR, WE HAVE TWICE AS MANY EMPLOYEES AS WE DID. 
          AND THE REASON THAT WE HAVE TWICE AS MANY EMPLOYEES IS BECAUSE WE HAVE AN INTEGRATED
APPROACH TO PEST MANAGEMENT, AND WE SEEK THOSE WHO ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT THE SCIENCE OF MOSQUITO CONTROL. 
          AND YOU MIGHT SAY, THAT'S KIND OF AN ODDBALL THING TO BE PASSIONATE ABOUT. 
          BUT MERCIFULLY, THERE ARE SOME VERY, VERY GOOD SCIENTISTS AND CAPABLE EDUCATORS,
WONDERFUL PEOPLE. 
          I COULD NOT SEE THE DISTRICT'S VISION THROUGH WITHOUT THAT TEAM. 
          I'M HONORED TO WORK WITH THE FOLKS THAT I DO. 
          I SEE US TOPPING OUT AT AROUND 100 EMPLOYEES,
WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT 40 MORE THAN WE HAVE NOW IN THE NEXT DECADE OR SO. 
          AND AS THE THE DISTRICT. AS THE POPULATION FILLS IN IN THE DISTRICT,
WE WE WILL BE AHEAD OF THE NEED FOR SERVICE. SO WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WE'RE UNDER WHAT'S CALLED A MASTER PLANNING STUDY. 
          AND THE EXECUTION OF THAT MASTER PLANNING STUDY IS GOING TO REQUIRE,
GIVEN THE CURRENT STATE OF AFFAIRS, THE SUPPORT OF MULTIPLE BOARDS. AND WE ARE HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AND TO CONVEY THE THE
REASONING BEHIND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. THE DISTRICT IS NOT IN A POSITION TO BORROW MONEY. 
          WE'VE NEVER OUR CHARTER DOES NOT ALLOW US TO DO SO. 
          SO THE MILLAGE THAT YOU ARE SEEING AND HAVE SEEN FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW HAS BEEN AN EFFORT
TO ESSENTIALLY SAVE THE MONEY IN ORDER TO ENGAGE IN THE THE PROJECTS AND MAKE THE INVESTMENT IN THE DISTRICT,
AND THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON SINCE 2017. 
          AND WE ARE FINANCIALLY READY TO MAKE THESE INVESTMENTS WITH WITH SOUND AND FIRM BOARD
SUPPORT. 
          WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO REPLACE THE CURRENT BUILDINGS AS THEY REACH THE END OF THEIR
USEFUL LIFE. 
          OUR HANGAR IN NAPLES IS REALLY WITHIN ONE REALLY GOOD STORM,
AND IT'S COMING DOWN. 
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WE HAD A VELOCITY EXAMINATION OR EVALUATION ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO,
AND THEY SAID, YOU'VE GOT FIVE YEARS LEFT ON THIS BUILDING. SO WHEN THE, THE, THE FLOODING FROM IAN WAS JUST SORT OF THE ICING ON THE CAKE. THE YOUR YOU'RE, FORGIVE ME THE YEAR BEFORE THAT,
OR TWO YEARS BEFORE THAT, WE PUT MORE THAN AN ACRE OF ROOF OVER OUR BUILDINGS BECAUSE OF PREVIOUS HURRICANES. 
          SO ANYTHING WE BUILD THAT WILL, WILL CERTAINLY MEET. 
          IT'LL BE LIFTED OR ON A STEM WALL AND ALSO WOULD BE BUILT TO WITHSTAND THE INSULT OF A CAT
FIVE HURRICANE. SO WE ARE CURRENTLY LOOKING INTO EXTENDING OUR LEASE OR RENEGOTIATING OUR LEASE
WITH THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY. SOME OF YOU OR ALL OF YOU MAY BE AWARE OF THAT,
THAT THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY BOARD IN OCTOBER VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO SUPPORT THAT PROCESS. AND WE HAVE ENGAGED COUNSEL FOR THE NEGOTIATION OF THAT
RENEGOTIATION OF OUR LEASE. 
          AND WE FEEL STRONGLY THAT THAT RENEGOTIATION WILL PROVIDE AN EXCELLENT RETURN ON
INVESTMENT FOR OUR COMMUNITY. 
          WE ARE GOING TO CERTAINLY BE SEEKING SUPPORT FOR THE PERMITTING PROCESS SHOULD WE GET TO
THAT POINT? AND RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE REALLY NEED IS A AN ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING THAT IS SUITABLE FOR
FOR TODAY'S OPERATIONS. WE'RE CRAMMED INTO APPROXIMATELY 6000FT² RIGHT NOW,
AND OUR LABORATORY IS EXTREMELY BUSY. AND AND OUR FACILITIES FOR HOLDING MEETINGS AND SUCH IS EXTREMELY MODEST. 
          WE HAD TO ACTUALLY CUT IT SO THAT WE COULD HAVE OFFICE SPACE FOR SOME OF OUR RESEARCH
FOLKS. 
          AS A MATTER OF FACT, I HAVE AN HR PERSON IN A CONVERTED CLOSET AT THE MOMENT AND I NEED
YES, EVERY DAY I GO BY AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT THAT SHE'S OKAY. 
          SO. IT'S A LUXURIOUS CLOSET. SO ANYWAY, SO AS WE I'M GOING TO TRANSITION INTO JOHN HERE IN JUST A MINUTE, BUT FIRST WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT FLORIDA IS IS OFTEN PERCEIVED AS A PARADISE. NOW, I'VE LIVED IN A LOT OF PLACES AROUND THE WORLD,
IN THE TROPICS. 
          I WOULD CALL WHERE I WENT TO COLLEGE. HAWAII IS MORE OF A PARADISE THAN FLORIDA. 
          AS A MATTER OF FACT, I OFTEN SAY THAT FLORIDA IS LIKE METHADONE FOR HAWAII'S PARADISE. 
          BUT THE REALITY IS THAT IT IS A VERY HOT AND STICKY RAINY PLACE THAT PRODUCES A GREAT DEAL
OF MOSQUITOES, AND IT IS VERY, VERY PLEASANT FOR A FEW MONTHS A YEAR,
BUT WITHOUT US IT WOULD BE A TRULY MISERABLE PLACE TO BE. 
          AND WITHOUT AIR CONDITIONING? CERTAINLY. SO THIS IS JOHN RANDOLPH OF VIRGINIA SUGGESTING THAT WE DON'T BUY FLORIDA FROM SPAIN. 
          AND THAT WAS 1821. AND SINCE THEN WE'VE COME A LONG WAY. 
          THERE ARE MORE THAN 60 MOSQUITO CONTROL ORGANIZATIONS IN FLORIDA. 
          AND THEY THAT IS ONLY SEVEN SHY OF THE NUMBER OF COUNTIES IN FLORIDA. 
          SO PEOPLE THINK THAT WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 
          AS A MATTER OF FACT, THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE OLD TOWN OF NAPLES MOSQUITO CONTROL. 
          AND IT'S MOST LIKELY A FOG WITH DDT IN IT. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT,
OF COURSE, IS NO LONGER USED. 
          EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE ORGANOPHOSPHATE. BUT AS YOU ALL KNOW FROM RACHEL CARSON'S SILENT
SPRING, THAT WE'VE LEARNED AN AWFUL LOT SINCE THEN. AND WHEN I SAY WE. 
          I REALLY HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH MOSQUITO CONTROL IN 1950 BECAUSE I WASN'T HERE. 
          BUT I WILL STAND UPON THE SHOULDERS OF THE GIANTS AND MOVE THE SCIENCE FORWARD. 
          WHAT WE ACTUALLY DO IS AN INTEGRATED APPROACH TO PEST MANAGEMENT. 
          AND THAT INTEGRATED APPROACH IS SOMETHING THAT IS A GAME OF INCHES. 
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NO ONE THING IS GOING TO CONTROL MOSQUITOES TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE NOT A NUISANCE
SOMETIMES, OR THAT WE DON'T SEE A DISEASE SOMETIMES BECAUSE PEOPLE TRAVEL,
THE WORLD IS A LOT SMALLER THAN IT USED TO BE. 
          SO WE EMPLOY TECHNOLOGIES AND ALL THE, ALL OF THE RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE ON A DAILY BASIS, 24 OVER SEVEN 365. WE'RE COLLECTING DATA AND MOVING THE SCIENCE FORWARD. 
          WE ARE IT IS MY FIRM BELIEF THAT EDUCATING THE POPULATION AND BECOMING PART OF THE
CURRICULUM WITHIN THE COLLIER COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND BEYOND THAT THAT WE CAN TEACH KIDS A LOT ABOUT WHAT WHAT SORT OF
THREATS EXIST AT HOME AND, AND HOW TO MITIGATE THOSE THREATS. WE HAVE A MOSQUITO FISH PROGRAM. 
          WE HAVE BIO RATIONAL AND ORGANIC CONTROL MATERIALS. 
          THESE ARE, AGAIN, NOT PANACEAS. THEY'RE NOT THE TOTAL SOLUTION,
BUT WE ARE EMPLOYING THE NEWEST TECHNOLOGIES IN ORDER TO CONTROL THE MOSQUITOES. I JUST WANT TO CHECK AND MAKE SURE THAT,
YES, THAT WE'RE ON THE RIGHT PRESENTATION. 
          SO WE HAVE AUTOMATED TRAPS IN THE FIELD. AS A MATTER OF FACT,
THEY UPLOAD DATA EVERY 15 MINUTES ON THE NUMBER OF MOSQUITOES THAT ARE COMING INTO THOSE TRAPS. WE ARE BATTLING ABOUT FIVE, ROUGHLY A HANDFUL OF SPECIES OF MOSQUITOES THAT ARE
LETHAL. 
          AND I DEBATED, ACTUALLY, WHETHER OR NOT TO HAVE SOME VIDEO OF SOME ANIMALS WHO HAD
SUFFERED FROM ENCEPHALITIS AND OTHER DISEASES THAT ARE MOSQUITO BORNE,
BUT I FIND THEM TO BE TOO, TOO BRUTAL TO SHOW. THERE ARE A LOT OF EMUS IN FLORIDA,
AND THERE IS A MOSQUITO BORNE DISEASE THAT'S FAIRLY COMMON, ALTHOUGH IT IS, YOU CAN VACCINATE AGAINST IT. 
          THERE IS A MOSQUITO BORNE DISEASE THAT'S FAIRLY COMMON FROM THE TIME OF INFECTION TO DEATH
IS LESS THAN. 
          WE'RE ECHOING FROM THE TIME OF INFECTION TO DEATH IS LESS THAN. 
          WE'RE ECHOING FROM THE TIME OF INFECTION. TO DEATH IS LESS THAN. 
          WE'RE ECHOING FROM THE TIME OF INFECTION. TO DEATH IS LESS THAN. 
          DAVID. OKAY. THANK YOU. RIGHT. SO IN THE CASE OF,
IN THE CASE OF THE ANIMALS THAT WE'VE SEEN, ACTUALLY, AND WHEN WE GO TO CONFERENCES AND SUCH,
WE SEE THESE THINGS. 
          TO SEE A HORSE IN THE THROES OF OF THE FINAL STAGES OF ENCEPHALITIS IS HEARTBREAKING. 
          THE IDEA OF MICROCEPHALY FROM ZIKA VIRUS IS HEARTBREAKING. 
          MALARIA KILLS ALMOST. WELL, IT KILLS MORE THAN THREE QUARTERS OF A MILLION PEOPLE A YEAR
IN THIS WORLD. 
          THE MOSQUITO IS THE MOST DANGEROUS ANIMAL ON THE PLANET. 
          BEFORE I BECAME DIRECTOR, I'M IN MY 10TH YEAR NOW. 
          I FLEW FOR THE DISTRICT FOR A DECADE AND WATCHED AND LEARNED. 
          AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT THESE ARE JUST A FEW OF THE ADVANCES THAT I'VE TAKEN TO HEART
SINCE BECOMING THE DIRECTOR. 
          THE TEN YEARS AGO, THE RELIANCE ON ORGANOPHOSPHATES,
SPECIFICALLY DI-BROMM, WAS PRETTY MUCH THE ONLY TOOL THAT WE USED. AND THE REASON THAT WE USED IT WAS BECAUSE IT WAS EFFECTIVE AND
BECAUSE IT WAS CHEAP. 
          AND THE IDEA OF BELIEVING THAT TAXPAYERS WOULD NOT INVEST A LITTLE BIT MORE TO TAKE CARE
OF THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE ANIMALS AND THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY IS,
I THINK A BIT SILLY WHEN EDUCATED ON THE ACTUAL EFFECTS AND THE NEED FOR INVESTMENT. 
          GOVERNMENT CANNOT OPERATE IN, IN A VACUUM. I THINK THAT A REASONABLE PERSON WOULD AND I
HAVE SEEN DEMONSTRATE QUITE A BIT OF SUPPORT. WE DID VERY LITTLE LARVAL CONTROL,
AND EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT LARVAE ARE. 
          THAT'S BEFORE. THAT'S THE LIFE STAGE BEFORE IT COMES OFF AS AN ADULT. 
          ONE OF THE LIFE STAGES. AND AS A PILOT HERE AT THE DISTRICT,
WHEN WE DECIDED WE WOULD SAY, 
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WELL, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING TO ADULTICIDE TOMORROW BECAUSE WE WERE LATE AND WE WE
DIDN'T DO A LOT OF IT. 
          AND WE SPEND AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY NOW TRYING TO KEEP THOSE MOSQUITOES FROM COMING
OFF AS ADULTS. 
          I STARTED AN EDUCATION AND OUTREACH PROGRAM. AS A MATTER OF FACT,
WE HAVE AN ENTIRE DEPARTMENT NOW DEDICATED TO EDUCATION AND OUTREACH. 
          YOU CAN SIGN US UP TO DO SPEAKING ENGAGEMENTS TO MEET WITH HOA'S. 
          WE WE WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW WHAT WE DO. EVERYTHING WE DO IS A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD. 
          WE HAD A LIMITED FOCUS ON PUBLIC HEALTH. I ENGAGED THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH WHEN
WE HAD THE ZIKA THREAT, AND WE MET MONTHLY, AND WE HAD A BIG REVISION OF OUR DISEASE RESPONSE PLAN. 
          THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS MOSQUITO FISH, BUT NOW THERE IS. 
          AS A MATTER OF FACT, THE STATE GOT US STARTED ON THAT. 
          AND IF YOU WANT TO COME BY, YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE TWO 800 GALLON TANKS WITH LOTS AND LOTS OF
FISH THAT ARE FROM HERE FOR HERE. 
          AND THEY ARE NOT THE SOLUTION. BUT WHAT THEY DO IS PROVIDE US THE ABILITY TO HAVE A
CONVERSATION WITH OUR PUBLIC REGARDING MOSQUITO CONTROL. 
          THEY ARE HUNGRY EATERS AND THEY WILL EAT LARVAE,
BUT THEY ANY ANY POND THAT ALREADY HAS FISH IN IT. 
          THEY'RE ALREADY EATING THE LARVAE. SO THIS IS FOR RAINWATER AND SUCH THAT STANDS DURING
THE WET SEASON. 
          OUR RECORD KEEPING USED TO BE PAPER. AS A MATTER OF FACT,
I REMEMBER BACK IN THE DAY, COMING BACK FROM A FLIGHT AND HAVING CARBON COPIES OF THINGS AND SUCH, AND THEN WE HAD AN IN-HOUSE INDIVIDUAL COME UP WITH A
COMPUTER PROGRAM SO THAT WE COULD KEEP MORE PRECISE RECORDS. BUT WE ARE SO FAR ADVANCED RIGHT NOW,
AND IT'S MOVING FORWARD SO QUICKLY THAT WE'RE ABLE TO GEOLOCATE A LOT OF OUR RECORDS AS WELL, AND LOOK AT THINGS IN RELATIONSHIP TO TO THE QUESTION AT HAND AND FIND OUT WHAT THE
ANSWER IS. WE ALSO, WHEN I STARTED AS DIRECTOR, WE HAD 25 EMPLOYEES FOR 400MI²,
AND OUR LABORATORY WAS DARK. 
          WE HAD ONE PERSON TO COUNT MOSQUITOES AND WE DIDN'T SPECIATE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND NOWADAYS EVERY SINGLE DAY, ALL DAY LONG,
THE MOSQUITOES COME IN. 
          NOT ONLY ARE THEY SPECIATED AND COUNTED THEY ARE TESTED USING PCR TESTING,
RAMP TESTING AND OTHER TYPES SO THAT WE CAN KEEP AN EYE ON THE THREAT, THE LEVEL OF THREAT THAT IS CAUSED BY DISEASE. 
          SO MY APOLOGIES IF I JUMBLED THROUGH THAT. I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO TO JOHN. 
          NOW, WHO'S GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH A LOT OF THE REASONING BEHIND. 
          GIVE YOU A LITTLE CONTEXT ABOUT THE CHANGE THAT WE'RE GOING FOR,
AND I WILL CERTAINLY BE HERE FOR QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS. 
          OF COURSE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU JOHN. GOOD MORNING,
AND THANKS FOR INVITING US TODAY. 
          MY NAME IS JONATHAN LITTLE. I'M THE DIRECTOR OF EXTERNAL AFFAIRS FOR COLLIER MOSQUITO
CONTROL DISTRICT. 
          AS THE MAYOR SAID, I KNOW SOME OF YOU HAVE BEEN TO OUR FACILITY FOR A TOUR. 
          AND FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN'T YET, WE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU. 
          AND WHAT I'M GOING TO RUN THROUGH IS A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT YOU'LL SEE FIRSTHAND ON THE
TOUR, BUT GIVE A BRIEF EXPLANATION OF OUR INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT PATRICK HAD MENTIONED. SO PATRICK SHOWED WHAT IT USED TO LOOK LIKE TEN YEARS AGO,
AND WE SAW THE NEED FOR CHANGE FOR MORE EFFICIENT MOSQUITO CONTROL, PROTECTING PUBLIC HEALTH AND TO ENGAGE IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO A BIG ASPECT OF THE INTEGRATED PEST MANAGEMENT PLAN IS EDUCATION. 
          WE HAVE TWO EDUCATORS THAT THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE SCHOOL YEAR GO TO COLLIER COUNTY SCHOOLS. 
          I'M ACTUALLY AN ALUMNI OF QUINCY IN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL,
AND WE HAD NOTHING LIKE THIS IN THE 90S WHEN I WAS A STUDENT AT POINCIANA. 
          WE REACHED OVER 5300 STUDENTS LAST YEAR. AND IT'S WE HAVE KINDERGARTEN,
SECOND GRADE, FIFTH GRADE, SEVENTH GRADE, AND WE'RE STARTING A HIGH SCHOOL PROGRAM AS WELL. 
          AND IT'S A WAY FOR STUDENTS TO LEARN SCIENCE AND BIOLOGY WHILE ALSO LEARNING ABOUT THEIR
LOCAL ECOSYSTEM AND ENVIRONMENT WHERE THEY LIVE. 
          AND IT'S ALSO A GREAT OUTREACH TOOL BECAUSE NOT ONLY ARE STUDENTS LEARNING ABOUT WHERE
THEY LIVE, THEY'RE ALSO LEARNING ABOUT HOW TO PROTECT THEIR PROPERTY AND HELP THEIR PARENTS PROTECT
THEIR PROPERTIES FROM THE THREAT OF MOSQUITOES. WE SEE KIDS ALL THE TIME THAT AT PARADES OR OUTREACH EVENTS, AND THEY COME UP TO ANDREA,
MY COLLEAGUE, AND THEY'LL SAY, I WENT HOME AFTER YOU CAME TO OUR CLASSROOM AND WENT AROUND WITH MY MOM TO MAKE SURE WE DUMPED OUT ALL THE WATER. 
          SO THIS IS JUST A GREAT PROGRAM TO EDUCATE OUR STUDENTS ABOUT WHERE THEY LIVE,
BUT ALSO PROVIDE THAT OUTREACH TO EMPOWER RESIDENTS AND CHILDREN TO PROTECT THEIR OWN HOME 
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AND FAMILIES FROM MOSQUITOES. SURVEILLANCE AND MAPPING IS ALSO A HUGE COMPONENT OF IT,
BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TREAT FOR MOSQUITOES UNLESS YOU KNOW WHERE THEY ARE. 
          EVERY DAY WE HAVE FIELD TECHNICIANS WHO GO OUT ACROSS THE CITY OF NAPLES AND COLLIER
COUNTY, IN THE DISTRICT AS A WHOLE, TO LOOK FOR MOSQUITO ACTIVITY. 
          I WOULDN'T WANT THEIR JOB. IT'S VERY SCIENTIFIC. 
          THEY GO OUT AND COUNT HOW MANY MOSQUITOES LAND ON THEM IN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME,
AND THEN FLICK THEM OFF. 
          IF IT'S REALLY BAD, THEY MIGHT STAND OUT THERE FOR TWO SECONDS AND DO A QUICK MATH
EQUATION TO GET THE 2 OR 5 MINUTE COUNT. 
          BUT AS PART OF THIS AS WELL, IF RESIDENTS ARE HAVING A MOSQUITO PROBLEM,
THEY CAN CONTACT US OR GO ON OUR WEBSITE AND A FIELD TECH WILL COME TO THEIR HOME AND PROVIDE A COMPLETE INSPECTION OF THEIR PROPERTY AND SURROUNDING AREAS AND TRY TO HELP
MITIGATE ANYTHING THAT MIGHT BE BREEDING MOSQUITOES ON THEIR OWN PROPERTY. 
          WE'LL GET CALLS A LOT OF TIMES FROM RESIDENTS WHO SAY,
WE HAVE A MOSQUITO PROBLEM. 
          CAN YOU SEND UP A HELICOPTER OR SEND UP AN AIRPLANE? AND THE OVERALL DATA MIGHT NOT SUPPORT. THAT MIGHT NOT SHOW A BIG ISSUE IN THAT
NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT THE FUELTECH CAN GO OUT AND IDENTIFY PROBLEM AREAS ON THAT PROPERTY AND HELP THAT
HOMEOWNER OR RESIDENT MITIGATE IT ON THE SPOT, AND GIVE THEM THAT INFORMATION ON HOW TO PREVENT FUTURE MOSQUITO ISSUES IN THE FUTURE. 
          WE HAVE A VERY ROBUST RESEARCH TEAM, AND THAT IS WHAT HAS LED TO A LOT OF THE ADVANCEMENTS
OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS THAT PATRICK HAS TALKED ABOUT. 
          IT'S ONLY BEEN WITHIN THE LAST FEW YEARS. WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO IN-HOUSE DISEASE TESTING. 
          BEFORE THAT, ANY SAMPLES OR MOSQUITO POOLS WOULD HAVE TO BE SENT TO THE STATE LAB,
AND IT COULD TAKE WEEKS TO MONTHS TO GET RESULTS BACK. 
          AND IF THERE'S A POSITIVE TEST FOR DISEASE AND YOU DON'T GET THE RESULTS BACK FOR TWO
MONTHS, THERE'S NOT MUCH YOU CAN DO TO HELP PREVENT THAT DISEASE FROM SPREADING. 
          BUT NOW WE HAVE THE RESULTS BACK IN 24 TO 48 HOURS. 
          WE HAVE NOT FOUND ANY DISEASE IN OUR LAB IN RECENT YEARS,
BUT IF WE DO, WE'RE ABLE TO INSTANTLY PUT INTO ACTION OUR STEP BY STEP PLAN FOR DISEASE MITIGATION TO HELP PROTECT THAT COMMUNITY. THIS IS ALSO LED TO OUR INCREASE IN
LARVICIDING, WHICH HELPS PREVENT MOSQUITOES FROM EVEN BECOMING ADULTS AND BITING PEOPLE. 
          AND WE ARE CONSTANTLY DOING NEW RESEARCH PROJECTS EVERY YEAR TO PROVIDE BETTER VALUE FOR
THE RESIDENTS WE SERVE AND FIND NEW SOLUTIONS TO CONTROLLING THE MOSQUITO POPULATIONS. HERE IN NAPLES AND COLLIER COUNTY,
WE BORDER THE EVERGLADES. 
          THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE MOSQUITOES HERE, AND BECAUSE OF THAT,
WE'RE ALWAYS WORKING ON NEW SOLUTIONS AND INNOVATING THE INDUSTRY ON MOSQUITO CONTROL. 
          SO ONE OF THE CONTROL METHODS IS BIOLOGICAL. AS PATRICK MENTIONED,
EACH MOSQUITO FISH CAN EAT UP TO 100 MOSQUITO LARVAE A DAY, AND THEY'RE AVAILABLE FOR FREE TO OUR RESIDENTS. 
          ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS GO ON OUR WEBSITE AND MAKE AN APPOINTMENT. THEY'RE GREAT FOR THINGS
LIKE RAIN BARRELS, DITCHES, SWALES, ANY CONTAINED AREAS, STANDING WATER THAT YOU CAN'T DUMP OUT. 
          A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL HAVE HOA'S ASK ABOUT THEM FOR THEIR PONDS BECAUSE THOSE HAVE
FOUNTAINS AND IT'S MOVING THE WATER AROUND. 
          MOSQUITOES AREN'T REALLY LAYING THEIR EGGS THERE. 
          THESE ARE JUST GREAT OPTIONS. IF YOU HAVE SUSTAINED STANDING WATER ON YOUR PROPERTY THAT
YOU CAN'T DUMP OUT. 
          IT HELPS. LIKE I SAID, EACH FISH WILL EAT UP TO 100 MOSQUITO LARVAE A DAY,
AND IT'S A GREAT BIOLOGICAL CONTROL. 
          AND THE FISH ARE NATIVE HERE TO COLLIER COUNTY. 
          ANOTHER BIOLOGICAL CONTROL IS A LARVICIDE CALLED BTI. 
          IT IS A NATURALLY OCCURRING BACTERIUM THAT IS FOUND IN SOIL,
AND IT IS ONLY TOXIC TO BLACKFLY LARVAE AND MOSQUITO LARVAE, NOTHING ELSE. SO IT'S A GREAT SOLUTION. UNFORTUNATELY,
IT'S EXPENSIVE AND IT'S NOT PRACTICAL TO LARVICIDE THE ENTIRE PICAYUNE OR BIG CYPRESS, AND WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TREAT THERE ANYWAY. BUT FOR MORE INLAND AREAS,
IT IS A GREAT TOOL AS WE HEAD INTO MOSQUITO SEASON TO BRING DOWN THOSE POPULATIONS BEFORE THEY EVER BECOME ADULTS IN A VERY ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY TOOL. 
          SO THAT'S THE LARVAL CONTROL WE JUST TALKED ABOUT. BTI IS ONE OF THE PRODUCTS WE USE,
BUT MOST OF OUR LARVICIDES ARE THE MAIN SAME. 
          ACTIVE INGREDIENT IS TWO DIFFERENT BACTERIA THAT WE ROTATE BETWEEN NOW ADULT CONTROL IS
WHAT'S A LITTLE MORE VISIBLE AT TIMES. 
          YOU CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH LARVAL CONTROL, AND ADULT TREATMENT IS NECESSARY,
ESPECIALLY DURING SALT MARSH SEASON. 
          THERE ARE SOME MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT ADULT MOSQUITO CONTROL. 
          SOMETIMES PEOPLE MIGHT SAY THERE'S INDISCRIMINATE OR BLANKET SPRAYING. 
          WE ARE REGULATED BY THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND HAVE TO SHOW A JUSTIFICATION
FOR EVERY TREATMENT. 
          SO THAT GOES BACK TO WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT PREVIOUSLY,
WHEN IF WE GET A RESIDENT WHO CALLS, WE CAN'T JUST SEND UP A HELICOPTER OR AN AIRPLANE. 
          WE HAVE TO GO TO THAT PROPERTY AND SEE AND CHECK THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD AND SEE IF THERE'S
A NEED FOR TREATMENT. 
          AND NORMALLY ON CALLS LIKE THAT, IT IS SOMETHING LOCALIZED AND WE WORK WITH THAT RESIDENT. 
          IT'S ALSO WHY YOU'LL SEE MORE AREAS GET TREATED THAN OTHERS BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST CLOSER TO
THAT MOSQUITO HABITAT. 
          BUT THIS THE SURVEILLANCE LEADS INTO THE ADULT CONTROL. 
          WITHOUT THOSE LANDING RATE COUNTS IN THAT DATA,
WE CANNOT LEGALLY SEND UP AN AIRPLANE. 
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WE HAVE TO SHOW THE JUSTIFICATION, SHOW THE ELEVATED MOSQUITO ACCOUNTS COUNTS,
AND THEN WE CAN TARGET SPECIFICALLY THOSE AREAS THAT ARE BREEDING MOSQUITOES AT THE TIME OF TREATMENT. THIS SHOWS ONE OF THE ADVANCEMENTS IN APPLICATIONS. 
          YOU SEE 1935 THAT BIG BARREL. TODAY WE UTILIZE WHAT IS KNOWN AS ULTRA LOW VOLUME FOR AN
ADULT MOSQUITO TREATMENT. 
          IT'S GENERALLY LESS THAN HALF AN OUNCE PER ACRE OF MATERIAL,
LESS THAN A SHOT GLASS FOR AN AREA THE SIZE OF A FOOTBALL FIELD, AND IT COMES OUT IN DROPLETS THAT ARE THINNER THAN THE WIDTH OF HUMAN HAIR. 
          AND THAT'S ALL YOU NEED. VERY LITTLE OF IT REACHES THE GROUND LEVEL,
IF ANY AT ALL. 
          IT IS DESIGNED TO STAY SUSPENDED IN THE AIR COLUMN,
AND IT BREAKS DOWN VERY QUICKLY AND IS DESIGNED TO ATTACK A MOSQUITO AND THEN BREAK DOWN VERY QUICKLY AND IT'S GONE. WE DON'T WANT IT TO REACH THE GROUND LEVEL. 
          THAT WOULD BE A WASTE OF RESOURCES. IT'S NOT ATTACKING MOSQUITOES IF IT REACHES THE
GROUND. 
          SO HERE'S JUST SOME EXAMPLE OF WHAT OUR FIELD TEXTS HAVE FOUND WHEN THEY GO TO PROPERTIES
AND WE GET PHONE CALLS AND SAY, I DON'T KNOW WHY I HAVE SO MANY MOSQUITOES AND IN OUR FIELD TEXT SHOW UP AND THIS IS WHAT
THEY FIND, AND THEY'RE ABLE TO EASILY HELP THE RESIDENTS SPOT THESE PROBLEM AREAS,
PROVIDE THEM WITH THE RESOURCES ON HOW TO BETTER MAINTAIN THEIR PROPERTY, BECAUSE THAT REALLY IS ONE OF THE BEST THING INDIVIDUAL RESIDENTS CAN DO TO HELP LIMIT THE
NUMBER OF MOSQUITOES. 
          SO THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. PATRICK AND I ARE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS,
AND WE KNOW THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO STICK AROUND AND ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF THERE ARE ANY,
AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT AS WELL. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER PETRANOFF. 
          THANK YOU FOR COMING TODAY. JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          I'M READING IN THE PAPER ABOUT CHIKUNGUNYA AND AN OUTBREAK. 
          HAVE WE SPOTTED THAT AT ALL HERE? AND IS THAT A CONCERN THAT'S GOING TO BE COMING FORWARD? BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A VACCINE BUT IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE. 
          YEAH. CHIKUNGUNYA VIRUS IS SPREAD BY THE AEDES AEGYPTI MOSQUITO. 
          ALONG WITH ZIKA AND DENGUE AND YELLOW FEVER. AND WE HAVE AN ABUNDANCE OF THOSE MOSQUITOES
HERE. 
          AND THE SHORT ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION IS WE HAVE A CYCLICAL THREAT BECAUSE THE AEDES
AEGYPTI POPULATIONS DROP OFF WHEN IT BECOMES DURING THE DROUGHT SEASON. AND IT'S NOT THAT I WOULD SAY THAT I'M NOT CONCERNED,
BUT WE ARE WE ARE SURVEYING FOR THE DISEASE. 
          AND SO FAR, THE ONLY CHIKUNGUNYA WE'VE SEEN IS IMPORTED CASES. 
          OKAY. AND THEN A COUPLE YEARS AGO YOU KNOW, THAT ZIKA WAS THERE WAS A LOT OF CHATTER ABOUT
ZIKA AND YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, WOMEN THAT WERE PREGNANT WERE CHOOSING NOT TO COME DOWN HERE
BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GET, YOU KNOW, BIT BY A ZIKA. BUT IT SEEMS THAT THAT DISAPPEARED. 
          DID IT DID THE THREAT DISAPPEAR OR DID WE JUST STOP TALKING ABOUT IT? ZIKA VIRUS IS, BIOLOGICALLY SPEAKING IT DOES NOT BURN VERY HOT. 
          SO IT'S A MORE THAN 80% OF THE CASES GO UNDETECTED OR WITHOUT SYMPTOMS. SO WHAT WE HAVE ACTUALLY, IN THE CASE OF ZIKA IS HERD IMMUNITY AGAINST IT. 
          SO IT'S EXTREMELY UNLIKELY THAT THAT WE'LL BE SEEING THAT. 
          HOWEVER, THAT BEING SAID, NEW, NEW DISEASES ARE COMING UP ALL THE TIME. 
          IF WE LEARN FROM COVID, RIGHT, THAT THINGS WILL CHANGE,
THEY WILL EVOLVE VERY RAPIDLY. 
          AND SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT ANY THREAT FROM ZIKA VIRUS IS IS VERY MINIMAL AT THIS TIME. 
          OKAY. AND MY FINAL QUESTION IS THIS. YOU KNOW,
WE HAVE A LOT OF STANDING WATER IN TOWN IN SOME PARTICULAR AREAS THAT WHERE THERE IS SLIGHT SWELLING. HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE FOR A EGG TO BECOME A MOSQUITO? THE ENTIRE PROCESS TAKES LESS THAN A WEEK. SO THAT WATER SHOULD NOT STAND FOR MORE THAN A
COUPLE DAYS? YES. GENERALLY SPEAKING, OUR RECOMMENDATION TO OUR PUBLIC IS THAT IF YOU HAVE BIRDBATHS OR
STANDING WATER OR BROMELIADS, THAT YOU RINSE THEM ONCE EVERY THREE DAYS OR SO. 
          AND IF YOU DO THAT, THAT'S THAT'S USUALLY ENOUGH. 
          AND THEN ALSO USING MOSQUITO BITS, WHICH IS,
AS JOHN MENTIONED, THE BTI, THE, THE BACTERIA THAT YOU CAN PUT IN THERE. 
          IT'S IT'S VERY CHEAP. AND CERTAINLY CALL US WE'LL SEND A TECHNICIAN. 
          WE'LL TEACH YOU HOW TO DO IT. THANK YOU. SURE. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. I HAVE VICE MAYOR AND. THANK YOU. 
          I GOT TO TELL YOU, THIS IS I'VE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT MOSQUITOES. 
          WE'VE NEVER HAD. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE'VE NEVER HAD THIS PRESENTATION BEFORE. 
          CITY COUNCIL. SO I MUCH APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE. 
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FIRST OF ALL, I SUPPORT FINDING A WAY TO HAVE A SAFE,
EFFECTIVE MOSQUITO CONTROL PROGRAM. 
          OKAY, SO THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT THAT. YOU HAD MENTIONED THE PICAYUNE AND THEN ANOTHER
AREA WHERE YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TREAT. WHAT WAS THE OTHER AREA? THERE. THERE ARE SEVERAL, ACTUALLY. YEAH. BIG CYPRESS PICAYUNE,
ANY OF THOSE STATE AND FEDERALLY PROTECTED LANDS? MOST OF THEM ARE OUTSIDE OF THE DISTRICT BOUNDARIES,
AND WE CAN'T TREAT OUTSIDE OF DISTRICT BOUNDARIES. 
          ANYWAY, OUR BOUNDARIES ACCOUNT FOR ABOUT 95% OF THE POPULATION OF COLLIER COUNTY,
INCLUDING ALL OF THE CITY OF NAPLES. 
          AND OUR MAIN FOCUS IS PUBLIC HEALTH. SO THERE'S LESS OF A NEED TO TREAT OUT THERE ANYWAY. 
          BUT DURING SALT MARSH SEASON, WE DO GET THOSE MOSQUITOES THAT ARE AGGRESSIVE BITERS AND
TRAVEL ON THE WIND. 
          AND WHAT ARE THE TOP REASONS YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TREAT IN THOSE AREAS? THEY'RE NOT IN OUR DISTRICT BOUNDARIES, SO THERE'S NO TAXPAYERS. 
          THEY'RE FUNDING US. AND BECAUSE THEY'RE STATE AND FEDERALLY PROTECTED LANDS WE HAVE TO
WORK WITH THOSE LAND MANAGERS ON ANY. 
          WE HAVE TO FILE AN ARTHROPOD MANAGEMENT PLAN,
AND THEY'RE REALLY MADE TO JUST BE KEPT AS IS. 
          SO IT'S NOT BECAUSE THERE'S ANY DANGER WITH THE PRODUCTS. 
          THE ONLY THE MAIN THING WE WOULD TREAT OUT THERE IF WE WERE ABLE TO IS THE LARVICIDING,
WHICH IS COMPLETELY SAFE, THAT BTI BACTERIA THAT WE TALKED ABOUT. YEAH,
I JUST WANT IT'S NOT BECAUSE THERE'S ANY DANGER IN THE PRODUCTS. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. VERY GOOD. AND ARE WE PROTECTING THE PUBLIC FROM USE OF HARMFUL
MATERIALS? REMEMBER THE INITIAL PICTURE OF THE TRUCK AND ALL THE FOG COMING OUT. 
          YOU USE THE TERM DDT, AND YOU SAID, WE'VE LEARNED A LOT. 
          SO ARE WE PROTECTING THE PUBLIC FROM HARMFUL PRODUCTS? ABSOLUTELY WE ARE. I GET I LET ME GO BACK TO THE PUBLIC LANDS. 
          THERE ARE TWO EXCEPTIONS. ROOKERY IS ONE. WE TREAT ROOKERY AND WE ALSO TREAT WIGGINS. 
          THAT AREA UP THERE. WE ONLY LARVICIDE UP AT WIGGINS AND IN THE ROOKERY,
WE USE DIBROMO THE PYRETHROIDS THAT WE USE, WHICH IS THE OTHER CLASS OF CHEMICAL,
IS VERY TOXIC TO FISH IF WE SHOULD GET IT INTO INTO THE WATER. 
          SO THE SHORT ANSWER IS THAT ONCE AGAIN, GOING WITH DIBROMO HAS BEEN ORGANOPHOSPHATES LIKE DIBROMO HAVE BEEN IN EXISTENCE SINCE 1959. 
          59. IT IS EXTREMELY EFFECTIVE AT KILLING MOSQUITOES AND ALSO OTHER BUGS. 
          BECAUSE IT'S AN INSECTICIDE, IS IT IS IT A DANGER TO HUMAN BEINGS? THE SHORT ANSWER IS I DON'T HAVE ANY DATA THAT SHOWS THAT ANYONE EVER HAS BEEN POISONED BY
PESTICIDE FROM MOSQUITO CONTROL. 
          IT IS A REPORTABLE CONDITION. A BLOOD TEST. IT'S ACTUALLY CALLED YOU HAVE TO DO
ACETYLCHOLINE ESTERASE INHIBITION TEST. 
          AND IT'S A BLOOD TEST. ACTUALLY HAD ONE PERSON WHO CLAIMED THAT SHE WAS POISONED AND HER
TEST WAS NORMAL. 
          AND THERE'S I HAD A AN ACTIVIST ON THE BOARD SEVERAL YEARS AGO WHO CLAIMED THAT WE
POISONED A YOUNG GIRL AND THAT SHE WAS IN THE EMERGENCY DEPARTMENT,
AND I MY HEART WAS BROKEN. 
          SO I ASKED HIM, WHERE IS SHE? WE'LL PAY THAT BILL. 
          WE'LL TAKE CARE OF IT. IT TURNS OUT THAT HE MADE IT UP. 
          WE HAVE NEVER HAD A CASE OF PESTICIDE POISONING. 
          THE CDC, THE EPA, THE DEP, AND EVERY OTHER ORGANIZATION TO WHOM WE REPORT ALL OF THE THE LABELING, WHICH IS THE LAW SAYS THAT IT DOES NOT POSE UNDUE HARM. 
          NOW, THAT BEING SAID, WE ALSO CONTINUE TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS. 
          OKAY. THERE IS NO THERE IS NO PANACEA. THIS IS THIS IS SOMETHING WHERE THAT THAT SCIENCE
WILL HAVE TO JUST TROT OUT THE ANSWERS IN THE LONG RUN. THANK YOU. YEAH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. TWO QUICK QUESTIONS. FURTHERMORE. 
          DO WE OMIT, OTHER THAN THE AREAS THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED,
DO WE OMIT CERTAIN AREAS OTHER THAN THOSE FOR SPRAYING THIS DI PROM? WE HAVE WE HAVE ONE ORGANIC FARM, AND I DON'T KNOW THE ACREAGE THAT THAT THAT OUR,
OUR SYSTEM SHUTS OFF FOR. SO PEOPLE CAN EXCLUDE OR REQUEST,
YOU CAN REQUEST IT. 
          BUT THE REALITY IS THAT THAT THAT IS A PROBLEM. 
          BECAUSE IF YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE, IF YOUR LAND IS NOT MORE THAN,
SAY, 120, 150 ACRES WE'RE 
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IT BECOMES TOO DIFFICULT TO DO AND IT ACTUALLY INFRINGES ON THE NEIGHBOR WHO WISHES TO
HAVE MOSQUITO CONTROL. IT BECOMES LESS EFFECTIVE FOR US TO TO OMIT AREAS. 
          THE MOST EFFECTIVE BLOCK THAT WE TREAT AERIALLY IS A SQUARE IN THE CENTER OF THAT SQUARE
GETS THE BEST CONTROL. 
          THE CORNERS GET THE THE LEAST EFFECTIVE CONTROL. 
          BUT WE TRAP ALL OF THOSE AREAS AND THE SCIENCE IS CATCHING UP WITH THAT VERY QUICKLY. 
          LAST QUESTION. DO MOSQUITOES PROVIDE ANY POSITIVE BENEFIT FOR THE GREATER NAPLES
COMMUNITY? THEY ARE PART OF THE FOOD WEB. WE WE KNOW THAT. 
          BUT I, I WOULD SAY ECONOMICALLY THIS DIFFICULT TO SAY. 
          I WOULD SAY FROM MY PERSPECTIVE MOSQUITOES ARE CERTAINLY A NUISANCE AND A THREAT TO OUR WELL-BEING IF WE DON'T CONTROL THEM. 
          MADAM MAYOR, I GOT TO ADMIT, I'VE KILLED MY FAIR SHARE OF MOSQUITOES. 
          AND TO ADD TO THAT ABOUT BEING PART OF THE FOOD WEB,
AS PATRICK SAID, WE HAVE ABOUT 60 DIFFERENT SPECIES OF MOSQUITOES IN COLLIER COUNTY ALONE, AND WE'RE ONLY CONCERNED WITH ABOUT 12 TO 15 OF THOSE SPECIES THAT CAUSE NUISANCE AND
HEALTH THREATS TO HUMANS. 
          THE OTHER 45 SPECIES WERE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT. 
          WE DON'T TARGET, THEY DON'T PROVIDE A THREAT TO HUMANS. 
          SO, AS PATRICK LIKES TO SAY, WE'RE NOT MOSQUITO CONTROL ANNIHILATION. 
          WE'RE MOSQUITO. NOT MOSQUITO ANNIHILATION. MOSQUITO CONTROL. 
          YEAH. THANK YOU, FOLKS, AGAIN FOR THE PRESENTATION. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. I JUST WANT TO TAG ON TO VICE MAYOR'S QUESTION ABOUT
THE GUY THAT YOU USE. 
          IS THAT A STANDARD? THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF FLORIDA,
THERE ARE SEVERAL, SEVERAL DISTRICTS THAT USE EITHER MALATHION OR DIBROMO. AND IT IS. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE TERM STANDARD,
BUT WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT THAT THE THE LABEL IS EXTREMELY STRICT ON ITS USE. IT IS CAN ONLY BE USED BY IT'S WHAT'S CALLED A
RESTRICTED USE PESTICIDE. 
          YOU HAVE TO BE LICENSED IN ORDER TO, TO USE IT. 
          AND WE ONLY USE IT FROM THE AIR. WE NEVER USE DIBROMO FROM THE GROUND. 
          SO THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE REGULATES YOUR SPRAYING SO THEY DON'T HAVE STANDARDS. 
          THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE RECEIVES A REPORT FROM US ON THE USE OF THAT ON THAT
PARTICULAR EVERYTHING WE USE ACTUALLY. 
          AND TO FURTHER THAT. I STARTED A SEVERAL YEARS AGO A YEARLY VISIT AND INSPECTION FROM THE
DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, AND THEY COME IN AND THEY PULL OUT A GREAT DEAL OF OUR MISSIONS AND BE SURE
THAT WE'RE COMPLYING WITH THE LABEL. 
          SO AND IN TERMS OF YOU ASKED ABOUT STANDARDS FROM THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE,
THERE ARE WE HAVE TO SHOW A SPECIFIC X TIME MORE MOSQUITOES THAN NORMAL IN AN AREA IN ORDER TO SCHEDULE A TREATMENT. THAT IS THE DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE GUIDELINE AND
REGULATION. 
          AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY ALSO SET STANDARDS ON WHEN YOU CAN GO BACK TO AN AREA. 
          AND WE ALSO HAVE TO GO BACK TO THAT AREA AFTER TREATMENT TO DO THE COUNTS AGAIN,
SO THAT WE CAN SHOW HOW EFFECTIVE THE TREATMENT WAS. 
          THANK YOU. YEAH. THE ADMINISTRATIVE CODE IS FIVE E 13. 
          IF ANY OF YOU ARE INTERESTED IT DESCRIBES WHAT WHAT MUST BE DONE. 
          THANK YOU. I HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER CRAMER. THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          JOHN, DID YOU GRADUATE FROM NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL? NO,
I GRADUATED FROM ESTERO LOVE ESTERO AS WELL. 
          OKAY. JUST CHECKING. TWO, BECAUSE I THOUGHT YOU WERE GOLDEN EAGLE. 
          BUT GO, WILDCATS. SO BECAUSE WE HAD A GOLDEN EAGLE 20 YEARS AGO,
JUNE WAS ON MY FOOTBALL TEAM COMMITTEE, AND I DECIDED TO DO THIS OUTWARD BOUND EXPERIENCE,
KEEP THEM AWAKE FOR 36 HOURS, ORIENTEERING IN THE DARK AND OUT IN THE WOODS AND JUST REALLY STRESSING THEM. I WANTED TO SEE HOW THEY WOULD RESPOND UNDER STRESS,
AND ONE OF THEM WOUND UP IN THE HOSPITAL WITH ENCEPHALITIS, NEARLY DIED. THE DOCTOR SAID THAT WAS BECAUSE OF A MOSQUITO BITE. 
          SO THIS IS NEAR AND DEAR TO ME, ESPECIALLY SINCE THEN. 
          SO I WANT TO THANK YOU GUYS FOR WHAT YOU DO FOR ANYONE IN HERE THAT HAS NOT VISITED
MOSQUITO CONTROL. 
          AND BY THE WAY, MY KIDS, OUR DAUGHTER, THEY'LL TAKE THEIR KIDS WHEN YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR
OPEN HOUSE THING. 
          THEY LOVE IT. THE GRANDKIDS LOVE IT. IT'S IT'S FANTASTIC. 
          THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO. AND THANK YOU FOR THE THE EFFORTS YOU MAKE TO GO ABOVE AND
BEYOND TO OTHER PLACES. 
          DON'T DO WHAT YOU GUYS DO IN TERMS OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT,
EDUCATION, ETC. 
          AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THEN ONE OTHER,
JUST ONE OTHER THOUGHT BECAUSE I WANT JUST TO SAY IT OUT LOUD. 
          I WAS TALKING TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY THIS MORNING BY OUR CHARTER,
YOU DON'T HAVE TO ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT TODAY AND YOU'RE CHOOSING TO DO THAT. 
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WE'VE HAD MEETINGS HIJACKED BEFORE, AND THEN THE IN THE IN THE REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING. 
          YOU DO HAVE TO ALLOW PUBLIC COMMENT. WHEN I THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH TIME STAFF IS GOING TO
SPEND AND IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE LINING UP AND TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY DON'T LIKE WHATEVER CHEMICAL I HOPE THEY'RE GRATEFUL THAT YOU'RE LETTING THIS HAPPEN TODAY,
THAT THEY GET TO TALK. 
          BECAUSE IF IT WAS ME, NOBODY WOULD BE TALKING TODAY. 
          THANKS. THANK YOU. BY THE WAY, I ACTUALLY HAD ENCEPHALITIS WHEN I WAS IN HIGH SCHOOL,
GROWING UP IN TAMPA BY BEING IN A NEAR DITCH AT MY HIGH SCHOOL. SO IT'S A PAINFUL DISEASE,
SO. 
          WELL, I'LL SAY THIS GUY NEARLY DIED, BUT HE WOUND UP STARTING FOR IOWA AS A FRESHMAN,
SO EVERYTHING WORKED OUT OKAY. 
          DITTO. AND NOW I'M MAYOR. LINDA COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN. 
          WELL, MAYOR, YOUR REMARKS ARE LEAD INTO EXACTLY MY QUESTION IN TRYING TO DEAL WITH STORM
ATTENUATION IN THE CITY TODAY, WE'RE ADDING SWALES BECAUSE THEY DO A FINE JOB. 
          THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT A BREEDING? ARE THEY BREEDING GROUNDS FOR MOSQUITOES? AND IF SO, LET'S ANSWER THE QUESTION FIRST. THE THE. 
          ARE THEY BREEDING GROUNDS? THE SHORT ANSWER IS THE MOSQUITOES BREED ACTUALLY IN THE AIR. 
          THEY LAY THEIR EGGS ON EITHER ON THE WATER OR ON THE WATER'S EDGE. 
          AND YES. AND WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT ANTI SWALE BY ANY STRETCH. 
          QUITE FRANKLY, IF WE'RE AWARE OF IT THEN WE WILL TREAT IT AND WE WILL ELIMINATE THE ANY
POTENTIAL PROBLEM THAT COMES WITH THAT. 
          SO WE WOULD INDIVIDUALLY HAVE TO A HOMEOWNER WOULD HAVE TO LET YOU KNOW THEIR STANDING
WATER. 
          IT'S GOING TO GO AWAY EVENTUALLY, BUT THERE WILL BE FOR A SMALL PERIOD OF TIME. 
          COULD BE A BREEDING. NO. CERTAINLY. IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE ON PATROL,
BUT OUR OUR TECHNICIANS AND WE HAVE SEVERAL COUPLE DOZEN ARE OUT IN THE FIELD EVERY DAY. AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THAT I WANTED TO TURN BEING A
TECHNICIAN INTO A CAREER. 
          AND SO OUR TECHNICIANS HAVE BEEN ENCUMBERED WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY OF SEEKING,
FINDING AND CONTROLLING LARVAE ON THE SPOT. 
          AND WE HAVE A VERY EFFECTIVE MEANS OF LOGGING THOSE DATA AND HAVING THEM COME IN TO THE
OPERATIONS CENTER WHERE WE CAN SEE REAL TIME WHAT'S GOING ON. SO IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE NOT PUTTING THE ONUS ON,
ON THE PUBLIC TO FIND EVERYTHING. 
          BUT IT CERTAINLY DOES HELP WHEN THEY TELL US THAT THERE'S A MOSQUITO PROBLEM OR EVEN THAT
THEY SEE C LARVAE. 
          IN SOME INSTANCES, WE MAY WE MAY JUST PUT SOME FISH IN THERE. 
          IN SOME INSTANCES WE MAY USE A LITTLE BIT OF BTI. 
          BUT TO GIVE YOU JUST A VERY A VERY BRIEF OVERVIEW,
THE USE OF LARVICIDE IS EXCRUCIATINGLY EXPENSIVE. 
          OUR OUR PESTICIDE BUDGET FOR FOR CONTROL PRODUCTS IS LARGER NOW THAN OUR ENTIRE OPERATING BUDGET WAS TEN YEARS AGO. BUT THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING. 
          SO OKAY, SO THE OPERATIVE WORD HERE BASICALLY IS STANDING WATER. 
          YES. OKAY. SO WATER THAT MOVES IS NOT GENERALLY A PROBLEM. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT SO WE DO HAVE SWALES IN THE CITY. 
          WE DO GET COMPLAINTS. SO WHAT IS THE PHONE NUMBER TO CALL WHEN THEY HAVE AND THEY NOTICE
IT IN THEIR SWALES. 
          RIGHT. IT'S AREA 239 OF COURSE, 436 1000. AND AND YOU CAN TALK TO A REAL PERSON AND THERE WILL BE VERY NICE TO YOU AND WE WILL GET SOMEBODY ON IT WITHIN,
WITHIN 48 HOURS. 
          AND AT SOME POINT YOU WERE DOING TESTING IN THE CITY. 
          DO YOU HAVE LOCATIONS THAT YOU REGULARLY TEST? I KNOW WHEN ZIKA WAS HERE, WE HAD SPECIFIC AREAS OF TESTING. 
          IS THERE A STANDARD TESTING AREA? THERE ARE SEVERAL,
BUT I WILL SAY THAT THEY ARE ALSO MOBILE. 
          YOU MAY COME ACROSS IF YOU'RE IF YOU HAVE I SPY KIND OF THING GOING ON. 
          YOU MIGHT SEE ONE OF OUR TRAPS. WE HAVE SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES. 
          MOSTLY WHAT YOU'LL SEE DOWN HERE IS WHAT'S CALLED A BG COUNTER OR A CDC TRAP. 
          AND THEY ARE BAITED WITH CO2. THERE'S NO CHEMICAL THERE. 
          IT'S JUST CO2. IT'S MIMICKING A LIVE BEING EXHALING BECAUSE MOSQUITOES ARE ATTRACTED TO
CO2. 
          [00:55:02]
SO BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN AREAS, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE TALK WITH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT,
IF THERE'S DISEASE PREVALENCE, WE'LL INCREASE OUR SURVEILLANCE IN AN AREA ASSOCIATED WITH THAT PERSON'S WHERE THEY LIVE. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER KRISEMAN. THANK YOU. 
          MAYOR. I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY, PATRICK, AS YOU KNOW,
TO COME OUT AND VISIT YOUR FACILITIES AND HAVE A CONVERSATION THIS PAST SUMMER. 
          I ENJOYED IT VERY MUCH. LEARNED A LOT. CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE,
GIVEN ITS SORT OF THE THEME OF THE DAY THE IMPORTANCE OF THE AIRPORT TO YOUR ACTIVITIES AND ALSO THE WAYS INCREASINGLY IN WHICH MOSQUITO CONTROL IS TIED TO THROUGH AIRPLANE UTILIZATION AND
ALSO THE CHALLENGES YOU WOULD ENCOUNTER IF YOU WERE FORCED. 
          AND IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT YOU WERE FORCED TO MOVE TO ANOTHER
LOCATION, A MORE REMOTE LOCATION IN THE COUNTY. THE CHALLENGES THAT WOULD POSE TO DELIVERING YOUR
SERVICES, PARTICULARLY TO MORE DEVELOPED AREAS LIKE THE CITY OF NAPLES? SURE, THE THE DISTRICT ACTUALLY HAD ITS HEADQUARTERS IN A BUILDING WHICH BECAME A BANK. 
          AND IN THE 1960S, WHEN WE STARTED AN AERIAL PROGRAM,
WE NEEDED A SPOT ON THE AIRPORT. 
          WE NEED AN AIRPORT. IF IN A PERFECT WORLD, IF WE COULD GO BACK,
I DON'T KNOW, 100 YEARS OR SO, SOMEWHERE AROUND 951 IN IMMOKALEE WE WOULD HAVE OUR OWN AIRPORT AND BE ABLE TO OPERATE
FROM THERE BECAUSE IT'S GEOGRAPHICALLY CENTERED IN THE DISTRICT. BUT THAT KIND OF FORESIGHT IS,
IS NOT REALISTIC. 
          SO SINCE, SINCE THE 1960S, AND THEN SINCE SPECIFICALLY SINCE 1990. 
          BEING LOCATED ON THE AIRPORT AND HAVING A LOT OF OUR OPERATIONS BE AERIAL,
IT IS THE PERFECT LOCATION FROM WHICH IT'S VERY STRATEGIC. IT ALLOWS US TO TO GET AIRBORNE AND GET TREATING VERY
QUICKLY ESPECIALLY DURING THE SALT MARSH SEASONS AND SUCH. 
          ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT IMMOKALEE IS TO BE ABLE TO LAUNCH FROM IMMOKALEE
WHEN THE IMMOKALEE AVE MARIA AND THE EASTERN ESTATES AND SUCH, AND THE NEW COMMUNITIES GOING UP ALONG IMMOKALEE ROAD ARE THERE,
THAT THE COMMUTE IS SHORTER. 
          IN THE ABSENCE OF HAVING AN AIRPORT? WE WOULD BE WE WOULD BE VIRTUALLY INEFFECTIVE. WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO TREAT ONE ONE MISSION WITH A WITH A FIXED
WING AIRCRAFT CAN TREAT MORE THAN 30,000 ACRES. WE CAN DO THE ENTIRE DISTRICT IN THREE NIGHTS. 
          AND WE HAVE THERE HAVE BEEN YEARS WHEN I WAS A PILOT WHERE I WAS THREE,
FOUR NIGHTS IN A ROW AT 2 A.M. 
          AND WE WERE TRYING TO STOP ENCEPHALITIS, AND IT WAS IT WAS IT WAS BRUTAL. 
          BUT JUST LIKE MS JUST LIKE THE SHERIFF WE NEED WE NEED AN AIRPORT FROM WHICH TO OPERATE. 
          WE'RE A COMMUNITY PARTNER. I DON'T I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE THE,
YOU KNOW, SORT OF HIGH PROFILE THAT FIRST RESPONDERS HAVE, BUT WE'RE CERTAINLY HERE TO SUPPORT THE HEALTH AND WELL-BEING OF EVERYONE WHO LIVES WITHIN
THE DISTRICT BOUNDARIES. 
          AND OUR LONG TERM RELATIONSHIP WITH NOT ONLY NAPLES,
THE CITY, BUT THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY HAS BEEN HAS BEEN. IT HAS ENABLED US TO BE SUCCESSFUL. 
          THANK YOU. OKAY, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. I WANT TO TAG ON. 
          OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER BARTON. YEAH, I JUST DIDN'T WANT TO BE THE ONLY ONE NOT TO
PARTICIPATE. SO FIRST AND FOREMOST, I'D LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU. I CAME OUT AND SAW YOU GUYS OVER THE SUMMER TOO,
AND IT WAS VERY INFORMATIVE. I WAS GREATLY APPRECIATED. I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. 
          MORE IMPORTANTLY, I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A SHOUT OUT FROM MY WIFE IS A FIFTH GRADE
SCIENCE TEACHER AT LAKE PARK. 
          AND WHAT YOU GUYS DO WITH KIDS? THE EDUCATION PROGRAM OUT THERE IS FANTASTIC. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A KUDOS AND A SLAP ON THE BACK FROM A,
FROM A INDIRECTLY FROM A SCIENCE TEACHER THAT PARTICIPATES HERE IN OUR, OUR LOCAL SCHOOL SYSTEM. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S GREAT. DEFINITELY APPRECIATE YOUR OUTREACH AND EDUCATION AND
DEFINITELY YOUR PRESENTATION TODAY. 
          AT ONE POINT YOU WERE DISCUSSING WITH THE NA ABOUT MOVING TO IMMOKALEE OR TO A DIFFERENT
LOCATION. 
          [01:00:06]
CAN AND YOU JUST MENTIONED TODAY THAT YOU AGREED OR THAT THE NA AGREED TO RENEW YOUR
LEASE. 
          THE PROCESS OF RENEGOTIATING THE LEASE. YES. WE HAD UNANIMOUS SUPPORT. 
          OKAY. AND HOW MUCH SQUARE FOOTAGE DO YOU HAVE NOW? RIGHT NOW, OUR ADMINISTRATIVE BUILDING IS APPROXIMATELY 6000FT². 
          WE HAVE A HANGAR THAT'S UNDER UNDER THE ROOF. 
          IT'S ABOUT 23,000FT². WE HAVE PESTICIDE STORAGE,
WHICH IS JUST SHY OF 2000FT² AND A VEHICLE STORAGE BUILDING. AND I WOULD HAVE TO TO GUESS ON THAT ONE. 
          PROBABLY 20,000, 15,000FT². AND YOU'VE EXPANDED THAT ADMINISTRATION FROM 20 TO NOW. IT'LL BE WILL BE 100 ONCE YOU ADD ON. 
          DID YOU SAY 100 EMPLOYEES? NO. ACTUALLY, WHAT I WANTED TO SAY LONG TERM,
THAT'S THE LONG TERM GOAL. 
          WE EXPECT TO TOP OUT IN THE NEXT DECADE AT ABOUT 100 EMPLOYEES. 
          AND SO THE NEED FOR AN EXPANSION OR YOU HAVE TO DO A REMODEL TO YOUR HANGAR. 
          WELL, THE IDEA IS AND THAT'S ACTUALLY JUST VERY BRIEFLY,
THE REASON THAT THERE ARE SEVERAL REASONS WHY WE DIDN'T PICK UP AND DO THE WHOLE THING IN IMMOKALEE. WE DID SECURE A LEASE. IT WAS A VERY THE TERMS WERE VERY GOOD FOR OUR
TAXPAYERS. 
          WE HAD A 40 YEAR LEASE AT IMMOKALEE. WE HAD TEN ACRE SITE. 
          AND WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT THE ENTIRE PROJECT BALLOONED SO FAR OUT OF CONTROL. 
          GIVEN WE HAD SOME DEEP MISUNDERSTANDINGS. WE WENT FROM HAVING A BUDGET OF 20 MILLION TO A
PRICE POINT TO BUILD OF 60 MILLION. AND THAT WAS LED TO OUR BOARD SCUTTLING THE PROJECT. 
          SO BECAUSE WE ALREADY ARE AT NAPLES AND WE'VE HAD A VERY GOOD EXPERIENCE HERE. 
          THE THE IDEA IS THAT WE WOULD FIRST ADD AND WE WOULD PROBABLY ONLY ADD ONE BUILDING. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE A NEW ADMINISTRATION BUILDING. 
          AND WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT WOULD BE ABOUT AN 8000 SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT WITH TWO STORIES
GIVING US 16,000, WHICH GIVES US A LABORATORY FACILITY THAT WOULD BE COMMENSURATE WITH THE NEED,
AS WELL AS THE ABILITY TO TO HAVE A CONFERENCE ROOM THAT IS OF A SIZE THAT WOULD HOLD MORE THAN
APPROXIMATELY 15 OR 20 PEOPLE. 
          FURTHERMORE WHAT WE EXPECT, AS I MENTIONED, IS THAT THE BEING AT THE END OF THEIR USEFUL
LIFE, THE NEXT BUILDING THAT WOULD BE REPLACED OR SUPPLANTED WOULD BE THE HANGAR. 
          IF WE HAVE A HANGAR IN IMMOKALEE AND WE'VE DRASTICALLY SCALED BACK THAT PROJECT SO THAT WE
HAVE WHAT, WHAT WE NEED, AND WHEN THAT HANGAR IN IMMOKALEE IS AVAILABLE TO US,
WE COULD THEN MOVE OUR OUR AERIAL ASSETS TO IMMOKALEE WHILE THE HANGAR IS BEING REPLACED IN NAPLES. 
          NOW, THE HANGAR IN NAPLES WOULD BE REPLACED WITH VIRTUALLY THE SAME FOOTPRINT AND FLOOD
VENTS, BECAUSE IN ORDER TO GET THE BUILDING TO FLOOD CODE,
WE WOULD HAVE TO IT WOULD PRACTICALLY BE LOCATED ON THE SHORE OF THE GORDON RIVER. 
          BECAUSE THE SLOPE REQUIRED TO GET DOWN TO THE AIRPORT WOULD BE SUBSTANTIAL. 
          SO WE WOULD SIMPLY PUT FLOOD VENTS IN THAT ONE AND HAVE IT BE BUILT TO WITHSTAND THE
STORMS. AND THEN WE COME AND GO WHEN THERE ARE STORMS AND SUCH. 
          SO THE NEXT BUILDING AFTER THAT TO BE REPLACED WOULD BE VEHICLE STORAGE. 
          AND AGAIN, IT WOULD BE A LIKE SAME FOOTPRINT AND JUST BRINGING IT UP TO GETTING RID OF THE
RUST AND PUTTING A NEW BUILDING THERE. AND THEN THE LAST ONE WOULD BE THE CURRENT
ADMINISTRATION BUILDING, BUT I DON'T I, I FORESEE AN INVESTMENT INITIALLY SOMEWHERE JUST SHY OF 8 MILLION FOR THE
NEW ADMINISTRATION BUILDING. AND THEN IN DUE COURSE, DEPENDING ON THE ECONOMY AND THE MILLAGE AND WHAT'S
AVAILABLE TO US, THE REPLACEMENT OF OTHER BUILDINGS. SO A LONG TERM PLAN OF RENOVATING ALL THE FACILITIES? YES. YES. WHAT IS THE MILLAGE RATE? 0.1349. AND YOU CAN REGULATE THAT. YOUR BOARD CAN REGULATE OUR BOARD SETS THE MILLAGE. 
          [01:05:04]
YES. SO WE START WITH A STRAW BUDGET, ACTUALLY,
AS EARLY AS JANUARY, FEBRUARY. 
          AND BY MARCH WE HAVE A STRAW BUDGET. THE BUDGET IS FINALIZED IN JUNE,
AND IT GOES TO THE STATE IN JULY. 
          JULY 15TH IS OUR DEADLINE. AND OUR FISCAL YEAR STARTS OCTOBER 1ST AND ENDS SEPTEMBER 30TH. 
          AND WE ARE MILLAGE NEUTRAL FOR THIS YEAR. SO AND WHAT IS YOUR BUDGET? OUR OPERATING BUDGET IS JUST SHY OF 20 MILLION. 
          I HOPE YOU HAVE SAVINGS. WE DO. AND AS A MATTER OF FACT,
THE UPSHOT IS THAT WE'VE EARNED A LOT OF INTEREST ON THAT MONEY. 
          AND THAT'S NOT A BAD THING AT ALL. BUT IT'S NOT ENOUGH INTEREST TO KEEP UP WITH THE
INCREASE IN CONSTRUCTION COSTS AND MOBILIZATION DOES CREATE A CHALLENGE FOR US. SO YOU SAID YOU CAN'T TAKE OUT BONDS. 
          HOW WILL YOU PAY FOR THIS? WE HAVE TO PLAN VERY CAREFULLY. 
          WHAT I'M TELLING YOU TODAY STARTED IN 2017. THAT WAS SEVERAL YEARS AGO. 
          THAT LED TO THE INITIAL MILLAGE INCREASE WAS MORE THAN 114%. 
          AND WHEN WE GOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE STARTED TO,
I STARTED TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE COUNTY FOR A LEASE. 
          ACTUALLY, WE DID IT WITH THE AIRPORT BEFORE,
AND THEN WE DROPPED IT. 
          WE TRIED WITH WITH COUNTY AND THE, EXCUSE ME,
THE COLLIER COUNTY AIRPORT AUTHORITY AND IT FOR FOR A MYRIAD OF REASONS. WE'VE, WE'VE STARTED AND STOPPED ON THIS AND I THINK THAT WHERE
WE ARE NOW IS THE MOST ECONOMICAL CALL AND EFFICIENT WAY TO FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          BUT YES, WE CANNOT WE CANNOT BORROW MONEY. OKAY. 
          AND SO YOU WOULD YOU'RE GOING TO BE SIGNING A LONG TERM LEASE OR AGREEMENT WITH THE NA. 
          THEY APPROVED OUR HOPE. YES. IT WILL FALL WITHIN THE MASTER LEASE,
OF COURSE. 
          BUT I, I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE ILL ADVISED FOR US TO TRY TO CONSTRUCT A BUILDING WITH
ONLY 15 OR 16 YEARS LEFT ON A LEASE. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD NOT BE NICE TO THE TAXPAYER. 
          SO. SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. WE'RE LOOKING FOR ANOTHER 30 YEARS. 
          OKAY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR SERVICE. 
          AND TO THE COMMUNITY. AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY AND EDUCATING THE COUNCIL,
AND I, I DO SEND A LOT OF PEOPLE YOUR WAY WHEN THEY CALL ME. 
          ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. KEEP THEM COMING. WE HAVE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS THAT DO THE SAME. 
          PLEASE DON'T HESITATE. WE ARE WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE THE CALL AND HAPPY TO ANSWER THAT CALL. 
          I'D ALSO LIKE TO THANK OUR BOARD FOR THEIR CONTINUED SUPPORT AS WE MOVE THROUGH THESE
COMPLEX TIMES. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING HERE AND YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. COUNCIL. THAT CONTINUES I MEAN,
CONCLUDES ITEM FOR MOVING TO PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          [5) PUBLIC COMMENTS]
WE DO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT AND REGISTRATION FORMS CAN BE FILLED OUT IN THE BACK AND GIVEN
TO THE CLERK. 
          I HAVE ONE PUBLIC SPEAKER DONNA ADAM. HE'LL JUST COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME, PLEASE. 
          GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS DONNA EDEN AND I LIVE IN ZIP CODE 34102. 
          PLEASE NOTE I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE EMPLOYEES OF MOSQUITO CONTROL OUT TO BE VILLAINS,
AS THEY ARE MERELY FOLLOWING ORDERS AND DOING THE BEST THEY CAN. 
          I'M SIMPLY ASKING THEM AND YOU TO THINK ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF BLANKETED SPRAYING. 
          THERE SEEMS TO BE TWO SCIENTIFIC CAMPS. THOSE WHO DISMISS THE POSSIBLE DANGER OF PESTICIDE
SPRAYING AND THOSE WHO ARE OPEN TO THE POSSIBILITY OF HARM. 
          WE'VE HEARD ABOUT ALL THE DANGERS OF MOSQUITOES,
BUT VERY LITTLE ABOUT THE BENEFITS. 
          MOSQUITOES PLAY IMPORTANT ROLES IN THE ECOSYSTEM BY SERVING AS POLLINATORS AND PROVIDING A
FOOD SOURCE FOR VARIOUS WILDLIFE, INCLUDING BIRDS, FISH AND BATS. THEY ALSO CONTRIBUTE TO NUTRIENT CYCLING IN AQUATIC
ENVIRONMENTS THROUGH THEIR LARVA LARVAE, WHICH ARE VITAL FOOD SOURCE FOR MANY AQUATIC CREATURES INSTEAD OF SOME CITY COUNCIL
MEMBERS. 
          VIEWING PEOPLE SPEAKING HERE TODAY AS NUISANCES LIKE THEY DO WITH MOSQUITOES. 
          LET'S NOT FORGET, IT WAS EVERYDAY CITIZENS WHO SPOKE OUT AGAINST MASK MANDATES AND FORCED
INEFFECTIVE COVID VACCINES. 
          WHILE CITIZENS MIGHT NOT BE SCIENTIFIC EXPERTS,
THEY HAVE COMMON SENSE. 
          BACK IN 2013, I ATTENDED THE 1ST MARCH AGAINST MONSANTO. 
          I WASN'T NECESSARILY ON THE SIDE OF THE PROTESTERS,
BUT ON THE SIDE OF COMMON SENSE. 
          [01:10:02]
COMMON SENSE TO ME IS SIMPLE. IF YOU ARE SPRAYING PESTICIDES ON CROPS,
ESSENTIALLY POISON, THERE ARE CONSEQUENCES. YET FOR DECADES, THE MEDIA AND EXPERTS TRY TO CONVINCE US THAT
CROPS SPRAYED WITH PESTICIDES WERE AS SAFE AS ORGANIC. 
          NOW. TODAY, THE EXPERTS ADMIT EATING ORGANIC VEGETABLES HELPS TO PREVENT CANCER. 
          CONSIDERING THAT THE COLLIER COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS JUST DESIGNATED OCTOBER AS
CHILDHOOD CANCER AWARENESS MONTH DUE TO CANCER BEING THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH BY DISEASE AMONG CHILDREN AND TEENAGERS IN THE UNITED STATES. 
          SHOULDN'T THIS BE A RED FLAG? SHOULDN'T WE ASK WHY CANCER RATES AMONG CHILDREN ARE RISING? THE NATIONAL CANCER INSTITUTE CLASS CLASSIFIES MANY PESTICIDES,
LIKE THE ONES BEING SPRAYED BY COLLIER COUNTY MOSQUITO CONTROL AS CARCINOGENS. 
          NOW, WHILE COLLIER COUNTY MOSQUITO CONTROL JUST CELEBRATED 75 YEARS OF SERVICE,
WHAT IS THE RESULT? ARE MOSQUITOES HARDER OR EASIER TO CONTROL? ARE THEY USING MORE OR LESS PESTICIDES? WE ARE NOT SAYING THAT INSECT BORNE DISEASES SHOULD BE IGNORED. 
          WE ARE SIMPLY ASKING FOR COMMON SENSE SOLUTIONS. 
          COLLIER COUNTY IS IN A THIRD WORLD NATION. SO ON THE ODD CHANCE THAT SOMEONE IN OUR COUNTY
CONTRACTS MALARIA ZIKA, WOULDN'T IT MAKE MORE SENSE LOGICALLY AS WELL AS FINANCIALLY,
TO TREAT THAT ONE SICK PERSON FOR SPRAYING PESTICIDES ON THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, JUST LIKE CITIZENS IN NAPLES DIDN'T CONSENT TO FLORIDA AND OUR WATER BEING FORCED TO TAKE
COVID VACCINES? WE DON'T CONSENT TO BLANKETED MOSQUITO SPRAY. 
          IF PEOPLE WANT TO SPRAY THEMSELVES OR THEIR LAWNS WITH INSECT REPELLENT,
THEY CAN BUY IT IN THE DRUGSTORE, JUST LIKE THEY CAN BUY TOOTHPASTE WITH FLUORIDE OR GET A COVID VACCINE. 
          AFTER 75 YEARS OF FIGHTING MOSQUITOES WITH COSTLY CHEMICAL SOLUTIONS,
A BATTLE WE WILL NEVER WIN. 
          MAYBE IT'S TIME TO STOP FIGHTING AGAINST NATURE AND FIGURE OUT A WAY TO WORK WITH IT. 
          LET'S MAKE NAPLES AND COLLIER COUNTY THE LEADER OF CHANGE,
JUST LIKE WE DID WITH FLUORIDE. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I NEED TO GIVE YOU SOME MORE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S AN EXPLANATION. THAT'S ALL. YOU. SPEAKER. 
          NONE OF THESE PEOPLE SAID WHAT? THEY'RE DOING. 
          OKAY. ALL THESE PEOPLE SEATED THERE. TIME TO. 
          GET BACK. THANK YOU. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THAT. I HAVE SPEAKERS THAT ARE GOING TO LET MR. COLIN HAGAN SPEAK FOR THEM. AND THEN I HAVE SOME PUBLIC SPEAKERS THAT HAVE NOT INDICATED WHAT ITEM THEY ARE FOR. I NEED TO EVALUATE HOW MUCH TIME WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DEDICATE TO THAT. 
          I'LL GO WITH OUR NEXT SPEAKER. WHO IS LUANNE FISHER? CAN I CAN I REFER TO HER? SHE HAS TO PICK UP THE CHILD. 
          OKAY. I'M SORRY. YOUR NAME? HER NAME IS STEPHANIE KELLY. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. SORRY. KELLER. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL READY. HELLO. THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. 
          MY NAME IS STEPHANIE KELLER, FOR THE RECORD. WE CANNOT SPRAY OUR WAY TO IMMUNITY. 
          REAL IMMUNITY COMES FROM NATURAL EXPOSURE TO LOCAL TO LOCAL MICROBES,
NOT FROM BLANKETING COMMUNITIES WITH CHEMICALS LIKE DIBROM. OVER SPRAYING DISRUPTS THE ENVIRONMENT,
HARMS BEES, AND WEAKENS NATURAL ECOLOGICAL BALANCE WITHOUT PROVIDING THE IMMUNE PROTECTIONS PEOPLE THINK IT DOES. DIBROM IS BANNED IN THE EUROPEAN UNION. 
          IT ALSO HAS BEEN LISTED AS A CARCINOGEN. I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE THING. 
          FOR THE RECORD. ALSO, MY 14 YEAR OLD, A PART OF HIS EDUCATION IS ACTUALLY GETTING UP AND
SPEAKING PUBLICLY. 
          AND ON JULY 3RD HE ACTUALLY SPOKE AT THE MOSQUITO BOARD MEETING,
AND I WAS REALLY DISAPPOINTED WITH THE DISCOURTESY TOWARDS A YOUNG CONSTITUENT WHO IS LEARNING HOW TO SPEAK PUBLICLY. 
          AND HE HAD A MINUTE AND 23 SECOND SPEECH, AND DIRECTOR PATRICK LYNN AND CFO MARK
GRUSZYNSKI APPEARED VERY DISINTERESTED IN WHAT HE HAD TO SAY. 
          [01:15:01]
AND THAT THAT HURT ME BECAUSE HE IS 14 YEARS OLD AND HE IS TRYING TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. 
          AND I THINK THAT THEY SHOULD WORK A LITTLE BIT HARDER AT ALSO PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT THE
CHILDREN HAVE TO SAY. 
          SO THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. I DO NOT CONSENT TO THE AERIAL SPRAYING AND I WOULD
LIKE TO BE OPTED OUT OF IT. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO HAVE TO EVALUATE OUR TIME. 
          WE DO HAVE CANDIDATES HERE FOR THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY AND NOT REALIZING WE ARE GOING TO
HAVE SO MANY SPEAKERS, I MIGHT HAVE TO TAKE A PAUSE. HAVE OUR CANDIDATES AND THEN CONTINUE ON WITH ANY PUBLIC
SPEAKING. 
          I HAVE LUANNE, AND THEN I'LL GO TO MR. KOHLHAGEN. 
          FOR THE. YES, THERE'S JUST DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THESE PEOPLE,
THOUGH? OKAY. I'M SORRY, YOU CAN'T SPEAK FROM THERE. NO,
I'M. 
          GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. 
          MY NAME IS LUANNE FISHER. I HAVE BEEN A CONSTITUENT IN NAPLES,
FLORIDA SINCE 1980. 
          WE WE ALL KNOW THAT THERE'S RISKS WITH ENCEPHALITIS AND THE BOTHERSOME PROBLEMS WE HAVE
WITH MOSQUITOES. 
          I COME HERE IN CONCERN OF LIKE JUST LISTENING TO THE WONDERFUL PRESENTATION. 
          I APPRECIATE THE PRESENTATION, BUT THEY MENTIONED THAT DI-BROMM AND OTHER PESTICIDES HAVE
BEEN IMPROVED SINCE 1959. 
          SO THE QUESTION I HAVE TO ASK THIS MORNING IS,
ARE WE JUST SIMPLY PRESUME THAT THESE PESTICIDES THAT WERE APPROVED IN 1959 ARE THE SAFE APPROACH FOR US RIGHT NOW? SCIENCE EVOLVES. OUR UNDERSTANDING OF LONG TERM HEALTH EFFECTS
EVOLVES. 
          WE HAVE COUNTLESS EXAMPLES OF SUBSTANCES THAT WERE ONCE APPROVED AND HIGHLY RECOMMENDED
FOR USE, HAVE LATER BEEN PROVED TO BE HARMFUL. AS MORE RESEARCH HAS EMERGED. 
          WE KEPT FLUORIDE IN OUR WATER FOR DECADES BEFORE REVISITING THE SCIENCE WITH MORE CRITICAL
LENS. 
          AND LOOK WHERE WE ARE NOW WITH FLUORIDE. APPROVAL FROM 1959 DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY
TRANSLATE TO SAFETY IN 2025. 
          LET'S BE HONEST ABOUT THE CONTRADICTION. IF ANY ONE OF US SET OFF A BOMB INSIDE OUR HOME. 
          WE ARE SIMPLY INSTRUCTED TO LEAVE THE HOUSE. SEAL OFF SPACES. 
          AVOID EXPOSURE. YET WE'RE EXPECTED TO BELIEVE THAT SPRAYING PESTICIDES FROM AIRCRAFT OVER
OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ONTO ROOFS, YARDS, LAKES, AND INTO OUR AIRSPACE IS COMPLETELY SAFE. 
          I JUST WOULD LOVE TO GET MORE ANSWERS TO APPROACHES THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE SAFER FOR
US, THAT WE WOULD KNOW 100% AREN'T HARMING OUR CHILDREN,
OUR PUBLIC. 
          I REMEMBER WALKING TO SCHOOL TO THE BUS STOP IN THE EARLY 80S,
AND THE PLANES FLYING RIGHT OVER US AS WE WERE WALKING TO THE BUS STOP. 
          AND A COUPLE TIMES I HAD MY TENNIS RACKET, AND ONE TIME I THOUGHT,
I'M GOING TO HIT THIS TENNIS BALL RIGHT UP AT THIS PLANE. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHY I WAS THINKING THAT I DIDN'T WANT TO HARM THE PLANE,
BUT I WAS JUST CURIOUS HOW HIGH THAT PLANE ACTUALLY WAS BECAUSE IT SEEMED PRETTY LOW. 
          BUT REALLY, NOBODY LIKES MOSQUITOES. THIS IS NOT A DEBATE ABOUT WHETHER WE NEED MOSQUITO
CONTROL, BECAUSE WE ABSOLUTELY DO. THE QUESTION IS, WHY ARE WE NOT INVESTING OUR ENERGY,
INNOVATION AND RESOURCES INTO SAFER METHODS WITHOUT EXPOSING OUR ECOSYSTEMS, POLLINATORS, PETS, WILDLIFE AND FAMILIES TO THE CHEMICALS THAT DRIFT FAR
BEYOND THEIR TARGETS? I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE SCIENCE BEHIND DRAGONFLIES. 
          I REMEMBER DRAGONFLIES BEING I DON'T KNOW IF IF IT WAS A SEASON FOR DRAGONFLIES AND IF
THEY IF THERE IF THE DRAGONFLIES COME BECAUSE THE MOSQUITOES ARE AROUND AND THAT'S LIKE THE FOOD SOURCE. BUT THERE'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT PART OF,
OF MOSQUITO CONTROL I THINK. 
          AND IT'S LIKE WHY, WHY ARE, WHY ARE THERE SO LESS,
FEWER. 
          DRAGONFLIES. AND HOW DOES THAT PLAY A ROLE INTO,
INTO OUR ECOSYSTEM AND INTO THE MOSQUITO CONTROL. 
          SO I'M LOOKING FOR SAFER WAYS I OPT OUT, AND I WOULD LOVE TO US TO EXPLORE SAFER WAYS. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          I DO NOT HAVE ITEM NUMBERS FOR THESE REGISTRATION FORMS,
I'M GOING TO GIVE THEM BACK TO THE CLERK. 
          IF YOU CAN PUT THEM IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM SO THAT I KNOW WHAT ITEM THEY WANT TO SPEAK
ON. 
          I'M GOING TO HOLD A PAUSE OR WAIT. I HAVE RICK RUPERT,
AND THEN I'M GOING TO HOLD A PAUSE, GO TO OUR INTERVIEWS SO THAT WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT ITEM WE'RE SPEAKING ON. 
          JUST FOR THE AGENDA, GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT IS ITEM FIVE. 
          GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, MR. RUPERT. EXCUSE ME. 
          GOOD MORNING, MAYOR, COUNCIL, AND MR. YOUNG. MY NAME IS RICK RUPERT. 
          [01:20:01]
I LIVE IN GULF SHORE BOULEVARD NORTH. I'M HERE THIS MORNING BECAUSE YOU'LL BE INTERVIEWING
CANDIDATES FOR THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS AND SELECTING TWO INDIVIDUALS, I BELIEVE, ON WEDNESDAY. I WANT TO START BY CORRECTING SOME MISINFORMATION
THAT IS PUBLICLY BEING DISSEMINATED AND REPRINTED IN NEWSLETTERS, STATING THAT THE PENDING BILL, HB 4005, IN THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE IS AKIN TO VIOLATING
THE NAPLES HOME RULE. 
          THE REFERENCE IS FALSE AND NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED PUBLICLY. 
          FOR THE RECORD TODAY. THE CITY OF NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY ACT,
60 NINE 1326, WHICH WAS ENACTED INTO LAW ON JULY 3RD, 1969, SPECIFICALLY STATES IN SECTION 11 THAT THE MUNICIPAL HOME RULE POWER ACT IS
INAPPLICABLE TO THE PROVISIONS OF THE NAPLES AIRPORT ACT, INCLUDING THE SELECTION AND APPOINTMENT OF COMMISSIONERS TO THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          THIS ACT IS ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA TODAY IN ADDITION TO YOUR CANDIDATES. 
          FURTHERMORE, THE SAME ACT SPECIFIES THE POWERS AND DUTIES AS WELL AS THE PERFORMANCE
RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE COMMISSIONERS. 
          I'M GOING TO READ FROM THE ACT IN SECTION FOUR AND IN FOUR L. 
          THOSE THOSE POWERS, THE AUTHORITIES HEREBY AUTHORIZED AND EMPOWERED UNDER A TO LEASE THE
ENTIRE MUNICIPAL AIRPORT AND ALL AIRPORT FACILITIES FROM THE CITY OF NAPLES AND TO IMPROVE, EXTEND, ENLARGE,
EQUIP, REPAIR, MAINTAIN AND OPERATE THE AIRPORT FACILITIES. 
          FURTHERMORE, SECTION L, THE BOARD IS TO ACCEPT GRANTS OF MONEY OR MATERIALS OR PROPERTY OF
ANY KIND FOR THE AIRPORT FACILITIES FROM ANY FEDERAL OR STATE AGENCY, POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OR OTHER PUBLIC BODY,
OR FROM ANY PRIVATE AGENCY OR INDIVIDUAL UPON SUCH TERMS THAT MAY BE IMPOSED. 
          GIVEN THE LAW AND THE CLARITY IN DEFINING THE ROLE OF THE COMMISSIONERS AND THEIR POWERS
AND RESPONSIBILITIES, I IMPLORE YOU TO DO THE RIGHT THING IN YOUR APPOINTMENTS ON WEDNESDAY. 
          PICK A WELL QUALIFIED INDIVIDUAL THAT WILL LIVE UP TO THEIR OATH AND FIDUCIARY
RESPONSIBILITIES AS OUTLINED IN THE LAW AND THEIR OATH OF OFFICE. 
          PICK AN INDIVIDUAL'S CAPABLE AND HONORABLE ENOUGH TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE LONG TERM
SAFETY AND VIABILITY OF THE AIRPORT. 
          THIS OBVIOUSLY INCLUDES ACCEPTING FEDERAL AND STATE GRANTS TO MAINTAIN AND IMPROVE THE
SAFETY, RESILIENCY, AND EFFICIENT OPERATIONS OF THE AIRPORT. 
          THE OTHER FALLACY THAT HAS BEEN COMMUNICATED IS THE WHOLE ACCEPTANCE OF GRANTS. 
          THE AIRPORT NOISE AND CAPACITY ACT OF 1990 BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SPECIFICALLY GRANTS
TOTAL AUTHORITY ON AIRCRAFT MOVEMENTS AND AIRPORT REQUIREMENTS TO THE FAA, AND PREEMPTS ANY LOCAL AUTHORITY FROM ALTERING ITS RULES. 
          IF YOU ARE EARNEST IN KEEPING THE APPOINTMENTS OF THE NA COMMISSIONERS GOING FORWARD,
DEMONSTRATE NOW IN YOUR SELECTION OF THE COMMISSIONERS THAT WILL ACCEPT NECESSARY GRANTS AND NOT IMPEDE THE SAFE AND NECESSARY OPERATIONS OF THE FACILITIES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. MR. RUPERT,
YOU WERE YOU SERVED ON THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT. AND DID YOU HAVE AVIATION EXPERIENCE AND BACKGROUND? I WORKED FOR EIGHT YEARS AT TETERBORO AIRPORT AND WELLS,
CLEVELAND HOPKINS. 
          WE OPERATED 50 JET AIRCRAFT FOR VARIOUS CORPORATIONS,
SOME INDIVIDUALS. 
          AND I DID THAT FROM 1981 TO 1988. I WAS ALSO AT THAT TIME I WAS HEAD OF HUMAN RESOURCES,
DIRECTOR OF FLIGHT OPERATIONS SUPPORT, HEAD OF CUSTOMER SERVICE, AS WELL AS CLIENT SERVICES. 
          AND BASICALLY PART OF THE EXECUTIVE TEAM THAT WOULD CALL ON OUR CLIENTS SHOULD A PROBLEM
ARISE. 
          AND WAS IT YOUR DESIRE OR YOUR MOVEMENT TO GET JSX TO COME TO NAPLES? NO, IT WASN'T MY DESIRE NOR MY INITIATIVE. YEAH. 
          NO, I FRANKLY NEVER HEARD OF THEM UNTIL THEY APPROACHED US AND TOLD US WHAT SERVICE THEY
OFFERED. 
          IN BETWEEN THEIR APPROACH AND OUR BASICALLY WHEN THEY STARTED OPERATING. 
          I DID SPEAK TO A COUPLE INDIVIDUALS THAT BOTH EITHER USED THEM OR COLLEAGUES OF MINE FROM
MY PAST AVIATION BACKGROUND OUT OF OUT OF WHITE PLAINS, OUT OF MORRISTOWN, ETC. AND I ASKED THEM, WHAT'S THEIR EXPERIENCE WITH THEM? THEY GOT VERY
FAVORABLE COMMENTS FROM PEOPLE THAT FRANKLY, I KNEW AND RESPECTED IN THE AVIATION COMMUNITY FOR THE WAY THEY DID THINGS. 
          I TOOK THEM ON THEIR MERITS AND RECOGNIZED THAT THERE WAS BOTH FAVOR AS WELL AS
UNFAVORABLE REACTION TO THEM COMING. 
          BUT AS A COMMISSIONER, I DID WHAT I FELT WAS NECESSARY SINCE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY AUTHORITY
TO STOP THEM FROM COMING IN THE AIRPORT OR ANY OTHER AIRCRAFT THAT WOULD OPERATE. WHAT WE DID DO, IF SOME OF YOU RECALL,
WAS WE ENGAGED THEM IN AN AGREEMENT WHEREBY WE WOULD SPECIFY WHERE THEY WOULD WORK, HOW THEY WOULD OPERATE, AND WE WOULD MONITOR THEIR OPERATIONS IN A CONTAINED FASHION,
AS OPPOSED TO HAVING THEM OPERATE OUT OF THE GENERAL AVIATION TERMINAL, 
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WHICH WOULD BE LESS CONTROLLED. THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE NAPLES
AIRPORT. 
          ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. 
          I AM GOING TO TAKE A PAUSE FROM THE PUBLIC COMMENT AND MOVE TO ITEM SIX,
A MISS ROSENBERG. 
          [6.A) Interview 11 Applicants for the Naples Airport Authority.  ]
YES. JESSICA ROSENBERG, DEPUTY CITY CLERK. WE ACTUALLY HAVE TEN APPLICANTS TO BE
INTERVIEWED TODAY BECAUSE ONE APPLICANT WITHDREW HIS NAME. 
          THAT WAS APPLICANT MIKE MANGANELLI. SO THE OTHER TEN ARE HERE. 
          I'D LIKE TO START OFF WITH MR. RALPH ALBERTO. 
          YES. COUNCIL MEMBER PETRANOFF. YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT RIGHT THERE. 
          BEFORE WE GET STARTED, I JUST. SORRY. BEFORE WE GET STARTED ON THESE INTERVIEWS,
I WAS REVIEWING, LIKE ALL OF YOU, OVER THE WEEKEND, OUR PACKAGES. 
          AND CONTACTED OUR CITY ATTORNEY THIS WEEKEND. 
          AND IN REREADING THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY ACT IN SECTION THREE,
IT STIPULATES THAT COMMISSIONERS SHALL BE APPOINTED BY AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE OF FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS. BUT CURRENTLY WE HAVE A RANKING SYSTEM IN PLACE THAT HAS BEEN,
YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CHATTER ABOUT IT IN THIS IN THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS AND WHERE WE
RANK OUR, THE APPLICANTS AND THE LOWEST SCORE GETS IT. WE USE THIS RANKING FOR BETTER OR FOR WORSE,
ON ALL OF OUR BOARDS. 
          IT WAS KIND OF JUST WE HAVEN'T PUT A LOT OF THOUGHT INTO IT. 
          HOWEVER, IN THE CASE OF NA APPOINTMENTS, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN OTHER BOARDS IN THAT
IT IS GOVERNED BY THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY ACT, AND THAT LAW SUPERSEDES ALL OTHER LAWS, RULES OR PARTS THEREOF. 
          SO IN PLAYING AROUND WITH THE RANKING PROCESS,
WHICH I DID THIS WEEKEND, A CANDIDATE CAN BE PICKED FOR THE NA WITH LESS THAN FOUR AFFIRMATIVE VOTES, NUMBER ONE VOTES AND IT RUNS COUNTER TO,
I THINK, TO THE PLAIN LANGUAGE OF THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY ACT. 
          WE'VE ALSO HEARD AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'VE ALL LISTENED TO FEEDBACK FROM THE HOA'S IN
PARTICULAR PORT ROYAL AND MEGAN EVANS FROM COQUINA THAT ON ON CONCERNS ABOUT HOW THE RANKINGS CAN THROW OFF A A CANDIDATE THAT IS RUNNING VERSUS A HAVING A,
YOU KNOW, PICKING WHO OUR NUMBER ONE IS AND THEN HAVING AN OPEN DISCUSSION IN THE SUNSHINE ON THE MERITS OF EACH CANDIDATE. I THINK IT'S THE PRIOR ONE IS A LITTLE LESS. 
          WE DON'T DISCUSS IT QUITE AS MUCH AND IT DOESN'T AND YOU CAN DO MATH EXERCISES. 
          AND I DID THIS WEEKEND WHERE PEOPLE ARE NOT PICKING YOU CAN HAVE AS LITTLE AS TWO PEOPLE
PICKING THEIR CANDIDATE AS NUMBER ONE OR NO CANDIDATES AS NUMBER ONE, NO CANDIDATE, AND THEY STILL GET IN. 
          AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE SPIRIT OF WHAT THIS,
YOU KNOW, MEANT. 
          I DON'T THINK IT PICKS THE THE VERY BEST PEOPLE. 
          SO TO BE TRANSPARENT AND ALLOW DISCUSSIONS ON OUR ON THE SUNSHINE,
I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE CHANGE THE WAY THAT WE DO THIS TO SOMETHING THAT MORE FOLLOWS THIS AIRPORT AUTHORITY ACT AND FOLLOWS THE FEEDBACK WE'VE GOTTEN FOR THE LAST
COUPLE OF WEEKS. 
          AND THAT IS WE, WE WE EACH GO AND WE PICK WHO WE THINK IS THE MOST QUALIFIED,
AND THEN WE HAVE AN OPEN DISCUSSION ON THE CANDIDATE'S MERITS. 
          AND JUST LIKE ANY OTHER LIKE LAND USE THING WHERE WE TALK ABOUT IT AND WE VOTE AND THEN
SOME PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WE MAY CHANGE OUR MINDS AND WE COME TO CONSENSUS ON THE VERY BEST CANDIDATE,
TO MR. RUPERT'S POINT THAT WE ARE PICKING ON THESE ON THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY. 
          SO THAT IS THE WAY THAT I WOULD I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE DO IT AND WE PICK THE NUMBER ONE
CANDIDATE AND WE DECIDE WHO IS THE BEST PERSON FOR THE JOB. AND THEN WE GO AND WE PICK THE THE BEST CANDIDATE FROM THE REMAINING NINE AND AND PUT
PICK THE VERY BEST PERSON FOR THE JOB. BUT I THINK IT LEADS TO MORE HEALTHY DISCUSSION. 
          I ALSO THINK THAT IT ADDRESSES SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HEARD FROM OVER THE LAST. 
          I GUESS IT'S BEEN SEVERAL WEEKS ON THE WAY THAT THIS SYSTEM IS WORKING,
AND WANTED TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK ON DOING IT AND SPEAKING WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY. YOU KNOW, HE SAID, IT'S REALLY UP TO US THAT IT'S KIND OF UNUSUAL. 
          WE, YOU KNOW, WE USE THIS RANKING SYSTEM, BUT IT'S SORT OF BEEN A LEGACY IN OUR,
IN OUR CITY. 
          WELL, I'LL JUST SAY THE RANKING SYSTEM HASN'T BEEN A LEGACY. 
          WE'VE WE'VE DONE IT SEVERAL WAYS. IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE AGREED UPON. 
          I DON'T KNOW. CAN'T RECALL EXACTLY WHEN, BUT WE USED TO DRAW FROM A HAT. 
          WE. BUT THIS IS MORE SPECIFIC THAN TO THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY. 
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IT'S MY ATTEMPT TO GET TO, YOU KNOW, NOT TO PLAY WITH THE,
YOU KNOW, AND NOT THAT WE WOULD, BUT WE COULD PLAY WITH A MATH EXERCISE AND NOT GET THE VERY BEST CANDIDATE IN PLACE. 
          SO I'M PROPOSING SOMETHING WHERE WHERE WE GET THE VERY BEST FIRST ONE AND THE SECOND ONE
IN THE PLACE, YOU KNOW, BY VERY SIMPLE METHOD OF, YOU KNOW,
PICKING WHO WE ARE AND HAVING A DISCUSSION IN THE SUNSHINE, OPEN AND HONEST AND FAIR. OKAY. MR. MCCONNELL BASED ON THE LAW HAVE YOU READ THAT? AND. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, SINCE MY NAME WAS MENTIONED ON ON THE CONVERSATION,
I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY MY OPINION. 
          MY OPINION IS THERE'S NOTHING REQUIRING YOU GUYS TO DO A RANKING SYSTEM. 
          YOU'VE DONE IT BEFORE. YOU'VE DONE IT FOR OTHER BOARDS. 
          SO WHEN I SPOKE TO COUNCILWOMAN PETRANOFF, I DID STATE THAT IT'S FULLY UP TO THE COUNCIL
ON HOW THEY WANT TO SELECT ELECT, BECAUSE WE HANDLE THIS IN A TWO STEP PROCESS BY MOTION. 
          AFTER THE RANKING IN WHICH YOU ALL CERTIFY BY AFFIRMATIVE VOTE THE APPOINTMENT OF THE
INDIVIDUAL, I THINK YOU ARE MEETING THE INTENT OF THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY ACT. 
          HOWEVER, THERE IS NOTHING REQUIRING YOU TO DO A RANKING. 
          YOU CAN JUST DO A MOTION. BUT AS LONG AS A MAJORITY OF YOU VOTE ON THAT MOTION,
THEN THAT PERSON WILL ESSENTIALLY BE APPOINTED TO THE NA. 
          SO I TRULY MEANT IT WHEN I SAID, IT'S UP TO YOU. 
          HOWEVER, THERE WILL NEED TO BE AN AFFIRMATIVE VOTE AT SOME POINT THROUGH THE PROCESS IN
WHICH YOU CERTIFY OR APPOINT THE PERSON FOR THE TERM THAT THEY ARE ENTITLED TO SERVE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, THIS IS SOMETHING WE CAN HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION ON. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S THIS IS SOMETHING WE'LL BE DOING WEDNESDAY. 
          AND I'LL TAKE YOUR COMMENTS NOW, BUT I DON'T REALLY WANT TO DEBATE IT AT THIS POINT IN
TIME I HAVE. 
          AND THEN VICE MAYOR. I WASN'T INTENDING NECESSARILY TO DEBATE THIS. 
          I DO THINK IT IS WORTHY OF SOME DISCUSSION ON OUR PART,
HOWEVER. 
          YEAH. I'M SORRY. DISCUSSION, DEBATE. THAT'S PERFECTLY ALL RIGHT. 
          I JUST WANT TO LIMIT THE TIME OF THAT. THAT'S PERFECTLY ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THE OBJECTIVE TODAY WOULD BE TO INTERVIEW. 
          AND THEN WHAT, AT THE END OF THE DAY, DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO SHIFT TO THIS NEW
PARADIGM OR SHIFT TO THIS NEW PARADIGM NOW, OR I NEED TO HAVE A LITTLE CLARITY HERE. I WANTED TO GET THIS IN EARLY SO THAT IT'S THE
MAXIMUM AMOUNT OF TRANSPARENCY TO EVERYONE. 
          IT HONORS THE, YOU KNOW, THE SOME OF THE HOA'S ARE HERE,
SOME OF THE OLD NAR MEMBERS ARE HERE. 
          ALL OF OUR CANDIDATES ARE HERE. SO I WAS JUST PUTTING IT IN AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE TO BE
MAXIMUM TRANSPARENT AND TO GET PEOPLE THINKING ABOUT IT. 
          I AGREE WITH YOU. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. TODAY I THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I'VE HEARD
ABOUT IT. 
          I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW WHAT IT SAYS WITHIN THE AUTHORITY ACT AND WHAT THE STATE
LAW SAYS. 
          I JUST AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD PREFER TO DO TODAY. 
          WELL. YOU CAN ASK QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW ABOUT IT. 
          WAIT ONE SECOND. DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION OR DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? NOT AT THIS TIME. OKAY. WHO WAS NEXT? OH. VICE MAYOR. 
          AND THEN CHRISTMAN, BARTON AND KRAMER. NO, THANK YOU,
MADAM MAYOR. 
          SO COUNCILWOMAN PETRANOFF, I THINK THAT WHAT I HEARD FROM YOU IS THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT
WE'VE DEVELOPED FOR A, A A VOTING SCHEME? WE'VE ADOPTED IT AS IT RELATES TO CANDIDATES FOR THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY. THAT IS CONTRARY TO THE INTENT OF THE NAPLES
AIRPORT AUTHORITY ACT. IS THAT CORRECT? I'M SAYING THAT,
WELL, WE MIGHT FIND AN OUT TO BE ABLE TO DO RANKINGS. 
          IF WE INTERPRET THE LAW IN A CERTAIN WAY, IT'S MORE CLEAR. 
          HAVING JUST A DIRECT VOTE WITH THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY ACT ON PICKING THE FOUR COUNCIL
MEMBERS IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, PICKING THE PERSON. IT ALSO, I THINK JUST PART OF ME LEADS TO,
YOU KNOW, WE WANT THE BEST PERSON FOR FOR THE JOB AND THAT RANKING SYSTEM TO SOMEONE IMPORTANT THAT I SPOKE WITH THIS WEEK,
THIS PAST TWO WEEKS YOU KNOW, GAVE ME SHARP FEEDBACK THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT NECESSARILY PICKING THE BEST PERSON FOR. 
          YOU'RE PLAYING A NUMBERS GAME. OKAY. AND YOU MAY HAVE MENTIONED IT IN YOUR COMMENTS,
BUT WHICH SECTION OF THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY ACT 
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PROVIDES THE GUIDANCE THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING IN THIS AREA? I STICKIED IT. IT IS SECTION THREE. SHE SAID RIGHT. 
          YEAH, IT'S SECTION THREE. AND THEN AND THEN THERE'S A SECTION 11 THAT TALKS ABOUT,
YOU KNOW, WHERE WHERE THIS SUPERSEDES YOU KNOW, ALL OTHER GENERAL SPECIAL OR LOCAL LAWS OR
ORDINANCES OR PARTS THEREOF. 
          OKAY. SO THAT THAT'S THAT IS WHAT I, YOU KNOW,
I WAS JUST LOOKING THROUGH ALL MY WORKING NOTES THIS WEEKEND. 
          SO FOR THE COMMUNITY, WE HAVE THE FLORIDA LEGISLATURE THAT'S GETTING INVOLVED IN THE WAY
THAT THIS COMMUNITY AND THE GREATER NAPLES COMMUNITY WOULD PLACE PEOPLE ON THE NAPLES AIRPORT
AUTHORITY. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATE LEGISLATURE ON ITS OWN,
I THINK YOU HAVE TO CONSIDER WHETHER THEY USE A RANKING SYSTEM WHEN THEY ELECT LEADERS IN THEIR OWN PARTY AT THE CAPITOL. 
          AND I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY RANKING SYSTEM. I BELIEVE,
JUST AS YOU SAY, THERE'S A VOTE THAT HAPPENS. 
          AND I THINK THAT THAT'S TELLING AND PROVIDES GUIDANCE FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND FOR THIS
COUNCIL AND HOW WE DO IT AS WELL. I MEAN, YOU WOULDN'T THINK ELECTED PEOPLE AT THE LEGISLATURE WOULD SAY ONE
THING AND DO ANOTHER, WOULD YOU? EVER. THAT WOULDN'T HAPPEN. SO I SUPPORT THAT. 
          THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER CHRISTMAN. WHAT I HEARD THE CITY ATTORNEY SAY. AND CORRECT ME,
MR. MCCONNELL, IF YOU'RE IF I'M MISSTATING, IS THAT THE THE RANKING SYSTEM WE'VE USED AND WE PROPOSE TO USE, USE AGAIN HERE UP IN,
UP UNTIL THIS MORNING IS ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE IF WE AND IF WE WANTED TO GO TO ANOTHER SYSTEM OF VOTING, THAT WOULD BE FINE TOO. 
          IT'S OUR IT'S OUR DISCRETION. CORRECT. WHEN YOU COUPLE THE RANKING SYSTEM WITH THE FACT
THAT YOU TAKE A MOTION AFTER THE FACT CERTIFYING THE RESULTS, IT'S THAT MOTION THAT MEETS THE INTENT OF THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY ACT. SO YES,
YOU ARE CORRECT. 
          SO SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT IT'S WE CAN GO IN ANY DIRECTION AS LONG AS WE TAKE A
VOTE ON WHO WE'RE GOING TO SELECT. 
          AND SINCE WE CAN'T VOTE TODAY, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU KNOW IF THIS IS FOR WEDNESDAY OR. 
          WELL, I WAS GOING TO COME TO THAT WHETHER BUT YOU KNOW THE. 
          ASSUMING THAT WE'RE JUST YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO BE THINKING ABOUT THIS OVER MAYBE THE
NEXT COUPLE OF DAYS. 
          I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE SYSTEM THAT WE HAD WHEN I FIRST CAME ON CITY COUNCIL
ALMOST SEVEN YEARS AGO, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT HAD BEEN IN PLACE,
WE'D HAVE TO ASK THE CITY CLERK. 
          CERTAINLY HAD ITS PROBLEMS. AND BASICALLY WHAT YOU IF YOU HAD MULTIPLE PEOPLE APPLYING FOR
A BOARD. 
          ADVISORY BOARD? NAH, IT DIDN'T MATTER WHICH. YOU'D START DISCUSSING THEIR NAMES IN A
RANDOM FASHION. 
          LITERALLY NAMES PICKED OUT OF A HAT. LITERALLY. 
          AND THE FIRST PERSON WHO HAD FOUR COUNCIL MEMBERS SAY YAY! GOT PUT ON. AND THERE WOULD BE SITUATIONS WHERE OTHER CANDIDATES QUALIFICATIONS AND
CANDIDACY WASN'T EVEN DISCUSSED BECAUSE THEIR NAME DIDN'T GET PULLED OUT OF THE HAT IN TIME. 
          SO I, I UNDERSTAND THE DEFICIENCIES OF OUR EXISTING SYSTEM,
BUT I ALSO WANT TO JUST POINT OUT THAT ANY SYSTEM WE DEVISE COULD HAVE DEFICIENCIES. AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING THE RULES IN THE 11TH
HOUR, LITERALLY, OF THIS VOTE. AND AND, AND IF IT HAD BEEN SOMETHING WE HAD TALKED ABOUT A MONTH
AGO OR A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, YOU KNOW, AND I'D BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH IT. 
          SO I'M, YOU KNOW, I'M I'M OPEN TO HANDLING THIS AND WHAT WE ALL THINK IS THE FAIREST AND
MOST TRANSPARENT WAY. BUT I'M JUST POINTING OUT THAT THAT'S. ALWAYS HARD TO DO. 
          WE COULD SPEND A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO FIGURE IT OUT,
AND ALMOST ANYTHING WE COME UP WITH WILL HAVE PLUSES AND MINUSES. 
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AND THEN FINALLY, I'D SAY THAT AT THE VERY LEAST,
WE HAVE TEN MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY HERE WHO ARE EXPECTING TO BE INTERVIEWED FOR THIS POSITION. AND TODAY WE SHOULD FOCUS ON THAT AND COME BACK AND DEAL WITH THIS QUESTION ON
WEDNESDAY. 
          THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. YES, MADAM MAYOR,
I WAS UNFORTUNATELY, I WAS JUST A LITTLE SLOW ON THE UPTAKE, ON GETTING MY NAME ON THE LIST, BUT I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST THAT THIS THIS CERTAINLY MERITS
DISCUSSION AT A LATER DATE. 
          WE'VE GOT PEOPLE HERE SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS INTERVIEW PROCESS,
BUT I THINK WE SHOULD DO IS TACKLE THIS IN CONSIDERATION OF THEIR TIME AND IN EFFICIENCY OF OF US AS A BODY. BUT LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS AT SOME POINT. 
          BUT LET'S LET'S MOVE ON WITH THE DAY. I AGREE COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER,
I JUST WANT TO SAY THE FEEDBACK THAT I'VE RECEIVED WAS VERY SPECIFIC AND AND ALSO HAD INTENSITY TO IT THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY SINCE OUR LAST VOTE. 
          AND IT BEGAN WITH MY THE FIRST INTRODUCTION I HAD WAS RIGHT AFTER IT. 
          I SPOKE AT GSAC AND I WAS WALKING DOWN THE STEPS LEAVING. 
          AND THERE'S A WOMAN SAYS, CAN I TALK TO YOU? AND SHE AND I SAID,
YES. 
          AND I LOOKED AT HER. SHE IMMEDIATELY BEGAN BAWLING. 
          I'M LIKE, CAN I HELP YOU? I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT'S WRONG. 
          AND SHE SAID, JUST TELL ME HOW MY HUSBAND COULD HAVE BEEN VOTED WORST CANDIDATE. 
          HE WAS AN ADMIRAL IN CHARGE OF NAVAL OPERATIONS,
AND HE'S THE WORST CANDIDATE. 
          NOT THE THIRD, NOT THE SIXTH, THE WORST. WHICH,
BY THE WAY, AFTER I DID GET CALLED BACK. 
          AND YOU WILL TOO. MR. CRISPIN FROM BHARTHANA,
WHO SAID THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS THAT HE THOUGHT THIS, THAT MAYBE THIS GROUP SHOULDN'T BE APPOINTING PEOPLE TO THINGS,
JUST SO YOU KNOW. 
          THEN THE OTHER THING THAT HAPPENED IN THAT WAS ONE OF MY COLLEAGUES TURNED IN A BALLOT
THAT WAS INCOMPLETE AND WHILE THE AGGREGATE WAS BEING POSTED, WAS GIVEN THE BALLOT BACK, CHANGED THE BALLOT AND THE BALLOT WAS ADDED. 
          I'M NOT SUGGESTING MY COLLEAGUE DID ANYTHING INTENTIONALLY INAPPROPRIATE,
BUT CERTAINLY IF YOU WERE A SKEPTIC, IF YOU THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME NUMBER FIXING GOING ON,
SOME MATH BEING DONE ON THIS THING, THEN THAT WOULD CERTAINLY LEND FUEL TO THE FIRE. SO I'M ALL FOR FIGURING OUT A BETTER WAY
IF THERE IS A BETTER WAY. 
          BUT SINCE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE ADMIRAL'S WIFE,
THOSE ARE THE TWO CONTENTIONS I'VE HEARD REPEATEDLY IS HOW'S THAT GUY THE WORST CANDIDATE? HE MIGHT NOT BE THE BEST, BUT HE'S NOT THE WORST. AND HOW DID THAT HAPPEN? AND I SAY, I DON'T KNOW, PEOPLE ARE VOTING THEIR CONSCIENCE. 
          AND THEN AND THEN THE WAY THE BALLOT WENT, SO IT JUST FROZE AND WHICH,
THAT JUST THROWS FUEL ON THE FIRE FOR ANYONE WHO'S SEEN THAT LAST VOTE WENT OKAY, OKAY, I DON'T KNOW. IT'S A BETTER WAY. BUT ALSO I WILL SAY I DON'T BELIEVE WE SHOULD HAVE
THE CONVERSATION NOW. 
          I DON'T THINK EVEN DURING THIS WHOLE THIS APPOINTMENT PROCESS,
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH PROCEDURES FOR COUNCIL, WHICH WE DO NEED TO GO THROUGH, I THINK AT THAT TIME WE WOULD DEAL WITH THAT. 
          THIS IS I THINK IT'S JUST INAPPROPRIATE TO DO IT THIS TIME. 
          AND I MEAN, I'M TALKING ABOUT, I DON'T KNOW,
MAYBE IT'S THE NEXT COUNCIL THAT DOES IT. I DON'T KNOW. BUT BUT THIS IS WAY TOO SHORT A TIME TO TRY TO SORT THIS OUT IN TWO DAYS. WITH THAT,
WE'LL GO TO OUR INTERVIEWS. 
          MADAM CLERK, I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. YOU MIGHT WANT TO ASK HIM TO DO AN OPENING STATEMENT. OTHERWISE,
IT'S MR. RALPH ALBERTO. OH, SORRY. GOOD MORNING. WELCOME BACK. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR APPLICATION. DO YOU HAVE A BRIEF STATEMENT AND I MEAN BRIEF THAT YOU
WANT TO KNOW? ANYTHING PARTICULAR WE HAVE TO DO HERE TO MAKE THIS WORK? YOU'RE ON. YES. OKAY. FIRST OF ALL, COUNCILWOMAN,
THANK YOU FOR THAT COMMENT. 
          I THINK THAT WAS VERY ENLIGHTENED AND I THINK THAT WAS VERY APPROPRIATE. AND ALSO,
MR. KRAMER, FOR YOUR COMMENTS. I THINK LAST YEAR WHEN WE HAD THE ADMIRAL WITH EIGHTS BY SOME
PORTION UNIFORMLY AND ONES WITH ANOTHER PORTION UNIFORMLY CREATES AN OPTICS THAT SAYS,
WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? THIS DOESN'T LOOK RIGHT. AND THE SCORING SYSTEM AS IT STANDS TODAY THROUGH ONE THROUGH
EIGHT, OR IN TODAY'S CASE ONE THROUGH TEN, THE ONE CERTAINLY REWARDS,
BUT THE TEN PUNISHES, AND IT CAN BE USED AS A WAY TO CANCEL A CANDIDATE. 
          SO I APPLAUD YOU TREMENDOUSLY FOR THAT RECOGNITION AND FOR THAT COMMENT,
I ENDORSE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING COMPLETELY, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THAT YOU ALL SPEAK TOGETHER IN THE SUNSHINE AND TALK ABOUT THE
BENEFITS OF THESE CANDIDATES. 
          THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO COME UP TONIGHT ARE EXTREMELY TODAY ARE EXTREMELY QUALIFIED.
SO YOU HAVE A TREMENDOUS SELECTION OF WHO TO WHO TO FILL THESE ROLES. 
          AND I THINK TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS CONVERSATION AMONGST YOURSELVES WOULD RULE OUT THIS
DISPARITY WHERE YOU HAVE TENS FOR ONE CANDIDATE AND ONES FOR THE SAME CANDIDATE. 
          IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. SO GOOD FOR YOU. I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE SEVERAL TIMES. 
          I'M GLAD TO BE BACK. AS I SAID, I'M HONORED TO BE A CANDIDATE AMONGST ALL THESE OTHER
GENTLEMEN AND LADIES THAT ARE GOING TO BE SPEAKING TO YOU TODAY. 
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FOR THOSE THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO BEFORE, BUT I'LL JUST TRY AND RECAP. 
          I'M AN ENGINEER WITH A BUSINESS DEGREE. IT'S AN INTERESTING COMBINATION,
BUT IT SERVED ME WELL IN MY YEARS OF AEROSPACE ENGINEERING. 
          MY ENTIRE CAREER, MY ENTIRE ADULT LIFE, I'VE WORKED IN AEROSPACE,
AND SPECIFICALLY 32 YEARS IN BUSINESS AVIATION. 
          I STARTED AS AN ENGINEER. I HAVE LOTS OF EXPERIENCE IN ALL THESE CATEGORIES,
BUT TRY AND BRIEFLY COVER. 
          AS AN ENGINEER. I LED SPECIALIZED, VERY SPECIALIZED DESIGN TEAMS TO DESIGN A COMBUSTION
SYSTEM HAS VERY LOW EMISSIONS AND HIGH DURABILITY. 
          IT RECEIVED A TECHNOLOGY AWARD BY ALLIED SIGNAL AT THE TIME. 
          HONEYWELL AND THAT COMBUSTION SYSTEM IS NOW FLYING IN ALMOST IN EVERY HONEYWELL ENGINE
THAT'S FLYING IN THE AIR TODAY. 
          SO IT DEMONSTRATES AN ABILITY TO LEAD HIGHLY TECHNICAL TEAMS TO VERY BIG ACCOMPLISHMENTS. 
          I WAS A CUSTOMER SERVICE LEADER, EXECUTIVE LEADER WORKING AT HONEYWELL. 
          WE HAD VERY LOW CUSTOMER SURVEYS, CUSTOMER SATISFACTION SURVEYS. 
          I BUILT A TEAM, TOOK THEM OUT TO SEE PROPILOT,
WHICH WAS COLLECTING THE DATA AT THE TIME. 
          THEY DID AN ANNUAL SURVEY. WE USED A DENNING DEMING CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT TOOLS TO
ANALYZE THE DATA, TO FIND WHAT THE ROOT CAUSES WERE, DEVELOP CORRECTIVE ACTIONS,
WHICH IS KEY TO EVERYTHING WE DO HERE. 
          AS AN ENGINEER, FIND THE ROOT CAUSE AND FIND CORRECTIVE ACTIONS FOR THEM. 
          WE BUILT OTHER SUBTEAMS TO IDENTIFY WHERE WE WERE TODAY,
WHERE WE WANTED TO TAKE IT TO, AND DROVE THOSE INITIATIVES TO FRUITION. 
          SO AGAIN, I THINK THIS SOUNDS A LOT LIKE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. WE'RE LISTENING TO
CUSTOMERS OR TO THE RESIDENTS FEEDBACKS WERE LISTENING TO THE TENANTS WERE LISTENING TO EVERYBODY SAYING WHAT ARE THE ISSUES? LET'S DIVE DEEP,
ANALYZE AND DEVELOP CORRECTIVE ACTIONS. 
          AS A BUSINESS LEADER, ON TWO SEPARATE OCCASIONS I WAS DRIVING $600 MILLION. 
          PRODUCT LINES FIELDED PRODUCTS AT THE TIME THAT HAVE SUSTAINED THOSE BUSINESSES THROUGHOUT
DEVELOPED COMPLEX CONTRACTS TO SUPPORT THOSE BUSINESSES. 
          IN THIS CASE, ENGINES FOR HONEYWELL, WE FIELDED ENGINES,
THE CHALLENGER PRODUCTS, THE 300 SERIES FAMILY, AND EVERY OTHER MANUFACTURER OEM MANUFACTURER HAS THOSE ENGINES IN SERVICE. 
          THEY HAVE SERVICE PLANS BEHIND THEM. THEY HAVE AFTERMARKET PLANS THAT I WAS THE LEADER OF
CREATING THOSE THOSE PROGRAMS. SO AGAIN, VERY COMPLEX BUT MEANINGFUL PROGRAMS TO SUSTAIN THESE COMPANIES AS A CONSULTANT. 
          NOW FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, PROBLEMS DO VARY FROM DAY TO DAY,
BUT THEY'RE ALWAYS COMPLEX AND THEY ALWAYS NEED A BUSINESS AND A TECHNICAL SOLUTION. 
          AND I'M ABLE TO WRAP THESE TECHNICAL AND COMMERCIAL SOLUTIONS IN MANY CASES. 
          THESE AGREEMENTS THAT WE ARE DEVELOPING, ENGINE SERVICE AGREEMENTS ARE WORTH HUNDREDS OF
MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OVER 3 TO 5 YEARS. 
          SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH WITH THE CONTRACT SIDE,
THE BUSINESS SIDE, THE THE PERSONNEL SIDE, I'VE HAD THAT KIND OF EXPERIENCE. I'VE MANAGED HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE AT A TIME. SO I HAVE THE
LARGE OPERATIONAL, LARGE BUSINESS EXPERIENCE. 
          I THINK THE OTHER THING, WITH 32 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN THE BUSINESS AVIATION INDUSTRY,
WHICH IS A VERY NICHE INDUSTRY, I'VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE TO MAKE ACQUAINTANCES AND FRIENDSHIPS THROUGHOUT THE INDUSTRY. SO
AT THE MANUFACTURERS, YOU KNOW, TEXTRON, BOMBARDIER, FOR THE AIRFRAME MANUFACTURERS,
FOR THE ENGINE MANUFACTURERS, PRATT WHITNEY, ROLLS-ROYCE, HONEYWELL, GE. I HAVE VERY,
VERY DEEP RELATIONSHIPS AND FRIENDSHIPS. 
          IN MANY CASES, WE'RE TALKING TO THESE PEOPLE ON A REGULAR BASIS OR NEED SOMETHING FROM
THEM AT ONE POINT. 
          NETJETS, ANOTHER POINT, WE NOW HAVE AN INCIDENT THAT HAPPENED AND WE HAVE BOMBARDIER
AIRPLANES AND GE ENGINES. 
          KNOWING A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHO TO SPEAK TO IN THOSE COMPANIES,
I THINK WOULD BE VERY USEFUL. SO ALL TO SAY THAT I THINK MY EXPERIENCE, MY 32 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN BUSINESS AVIATION PROVIDES ME WITH A BASKET OF EXPERIENCES AND
SKILLS THAT WOULD SERVE THE NAR VERY WELL. 
          AND ULTIMATELY, I THINK I'VE BEEN VERY BLESSED IN MY LIFE. I'VE BEEN BLESSED IN MY
BUSINESS. I'VE BEEN BLESSED IN MY CAREER. I FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT TO GIVE BACK. 
          WHAT BETTER AREA TO GIVE BACK THAN THE NAR WHERE ALL MY EXPERIENCES CAN BE OF VALUE? THANK YOU. I HAVE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS I'M GOING TO ASK EVERYONE. 
          BUT WE'LL START WITH COUNCIL QUESTIONS FROM MR. ALBERTO COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN. THANK YOU FOR COMING BEFORE US TODAY. 
          AND I APPRECIATE YOUR APPLYING AGAIN. BY NECESSITY,
HOWEVER, MUCH OF THE DISCUSSION TODAY PROBABLY IS GOING TO BE ON NOISE, BUT I'M NOT SUFFICIENTLY CONVINCED OF IS AND THIS IS WHERE YOU COULD HELP. 
          AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IT IS THE EXHAUST ON AIRPLANES. 
          THAT IS THE NOISE FACTOR. IS THERE A WAY OF ATTENUATING THE NOISE ON THE EXHAUST OF
AIRPLANES IN ORDER TO SOLVE WHAT SEEMS TO BE A COMMUNITY PROBLEM HERE? THAT'S A TECHNICAL QUESTION THAT'S IN THE HANDS OF ENGINE MANUFACTURERS TODAY. 
          YES. AND DRIVEN BY DEMANDS FROM BUSINESS AIRPLANE MANUFACTURERS. 
          YES. THERE ARE THERE ARE STAGE THREE REQUIREMENTS WHICH ARE NOISE REDUCTION. 
          IT'S NOT NECESSARILY JUST THE EXHAUST, BUT IT'S THE HOT GASES ESCAPING AT A VERY HIGH
VELOCITY. 
          WHEN YOU HAVE HIGH VELOCITY GAS ESCAPING LIKE YOU WOULD AN AIR HOSE AT A SHOP,
IT MAKES A LOUD NOISE. 
          [01:50:05]
AND THAT'S WHAT THE TURBINE ENGINE IS DOING,
IS PRODUCING A LOT OF EXHAUST, HIGH VELOCITY HOT GASES ESCAPING. 
          THERE ARE MIXING TECHNOLOGIES WHERE THEY MIX THE EXHAUST. 
          SOME OF THE NEWER AIRCRAFT HAVE THEM. IF YOU LOOK IN THE TAIL END,
YOU'LL SEE WAVY SHAPES. 
          THESE ARE MIXERS THAT ARE INTENDED TO REDUCE THE NOISE. 
          SO YES, THERE ARE TECHNOLOGIES TO REDUCE NOISE. 
          IF YOU LISTEN TO SOME OF THE NEWEST AIRPLANES THAT ARE LEAVING THE RUNWAYS,
THEY'RE A LOT QUIETER THAN THE OLDER ONES. 
          A LOT OF TECHNOLOGIES HAVE HAPPENED OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS,
BUT I THINK TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE, THESE ARE LONG TERM IMPROVEMENTS. WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THESE TOMORROW,
AND THE NA BOARD WILL HAVE VERY LITTLE EFFECT ON CHANGING THESE REQUIREMENTS FOR THESE MANUFACTURERS THAT TAKE TEN, 15 YEARS TO DEVELOP AN ENGINE. 
          THE ENGINES ARE COMING INTO SERVICE TOMORROW,
HAVE BEEN DESIGNED ON THE DESIGN TABLE FOR OVER TEN YEARS. 
          SO GIVEN THAT AND I APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWER, GIVEN THAT WE'RE IN THIS FOR THE LONG HAUL,
IS THERE A WAY OF ATTENUATING THE NOISE? SINCE WE CAN'T WE CAN'T JIGGER THE MACHINE. IS THERE A WAY THEN,
TO OPERATE THAT MACHINE IN ORDER TO CUT BACK ON NOISE? WELL, I THINK THE THE BOARD AND THE CITY COUNCIL HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THAT WITH
THE, THE TAKEOFF AND THE LANDING APPROACH ANGLES. SO THEY COME A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. 
          THE FURTHER YOU ARE AWAY FROM NOISE, THE LESS NOISE YOU HEAR. THERE'S PROBABLY A LITTLE
MORE ROOM TO IMPROVE ON THE SPACING BETWEEN THE AIRCRAFT. 
          TODAY WE HAVE A THREE MILE RADAR SEPARATION REQUIRE A MINIMUM THREE MILE REQUIREMENT,
BUT THAT'S A MINIMUM. 
          IT COULD BE LONGER. SO IF PLANES ARE COMING IN AT THREE MILE INTERVALS,
IF YOU STRETCH THAT OUT TO SAY 21 MILES, YOU GET ONE SEVENTH THE VOLUME OF AIRPLANES COMING IN AT A TIME. 
          SO YOU CAN PROBABLY ADDRESS THE VOLUME. THAT MEANS THE AIRPLANES WILL BE CIRCLING OVERHEAD
LIKE YOU WOULD IN A MAJOR CITY SOMEWHERE, BUT FURTHER AWAY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HEAR THE NOISE. SO THERE IS A WAY TO,
I THINK, TO SEPARATE THE NOISE. 
          THERE MIGHT BE SOME OPPORTUNITY THERE. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE PILOT HAS QUITE A BIT OF
DISCRETION INSOFAR AS FLYING HIS AIRCRAFT IS CONCERNED. CERTAINLY YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE TOWER,
BUT IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE THE PILOT ALSO HAS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DISCRETION. 
          SO RELATIVE TO WHAT YOU JUST SAID AS A POSSIBLE APPLICATION HERE. 
          WHO'S GOING TO WHO'S GOING TO MAKE THAT CALL? THE TOWER IS GOING TO HAVE TO MAKE THAT CALL. 
          RIGHT? I'M NOT A PILOT, SO I CAN'T SPEAK PRECISELY TO THEIR TO THEIR REQUIREMENTS. 
          BUT I WILL SAY THAT THERE ARE SETTINGS AND THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS TO,
TO BE AT A TAKEOFF POWER OR AT A FLIGHT IDLE POWER OR WHATEVER THE SETTING IS, AND THAT PILOT WILL ASSUME THOSE POSITIONS. THE PLANE GLIDES IN FOR LANDINGS AND TAKES OFF
UNDER TAKEOFF POWER UNTIL IT GETS TO A CERTAIN POINT IN THE TOWER, REDIRECTS THEM, AS THE CASE MAY BE, BUT NO, IF HE HAS ANY LATITUDE AND HE MAY,
IT'S LIMITED. 
          THANK YOU, THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. OH. I'M SORRY. 
          OH, I HAVE I'M SORRY. I'M JUST PULLING UP YOUR RESUME. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I WAS LOOKING THROUGH ARCHIVES,
AND OTHER, YOU KNOW. 
          SORRY, I WAS LOOKING IN THE ARCHIVES AT, YOU KNOW,
WHEN YOU HAD SPOKEN IN FRONT OF COUNCIL BEFORE, AND I NOTICED THAT YOU HAD WRITTEN US ON PART 150,
THE PART 150 STUDY WHERE IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMED LIKE THE NODE DOWN THE BAY WAS A PRIMARY CONCERN. 
          SO DISPERSION. ALSO YOU HAD MADE MENTION OF,
WELL, NAPLES CAN'T PROHIBIT OLDER AIRCRAFT FROM COMING IN. 
          THEY CAN IMPLEMENT FEES. WELL, WELL TO DISCOURAGE OLDER AIRCRAFT FROM COMING IN AND
ENCOURAGING NEWER. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC IDEAS ON HOW YOU MIGHT DO THAT TO HELP MANAGE COMMUNITY IMPACTS? YEAH, INDEED. I HAVE SPOKEN BEFORE THIS COUNCIL SEVERAL TIMES. 
          AND THE ISSUE WAS FUNDAMENTALLY NOISE REDISTRIBUTION. 
          I DON'T THINK REDISTRIBUTING THE NOISE IS THE SOLUTION. 
          I THINK THAT THE ISSUE IS TO TRY AND FIND WAYS TO MITIGATE THE NOISE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. 
          AND BY THE WAY, WE HAVE A GROWING TOWN. WE HAVE HOMES SPROUTING UP EVERYWHERE IN
CONDOMINIUMS ON THE BEACH. 
          AND EACH ONE OF THESE IS GOING TO BRING ANOTHER AIRPLANE. SO THE AIRPORT'S NOT THE ISSUE. 
          IT'S THE GROWTH THAT WE'RE SEEING AND THE HIGH VALUES OF THESE HOMES. 
          IN MANY CASES NOW, PEOPLE CAN BUY A JET FOR LESS THAN THEY CAN BUY A HOME HERE. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE'RE SEEING. BUSINESS AVIATION IS A STICKY BUSINESS ONCE YOU
START USING IT. 
          IT'S KIND OF HARD TO STOP USING IT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHARE YOUR SEAT,
YOUR ARMREST, SO PEOPLE LIKE IT IF THEY CAN AFFORD IT. 
          IT'S BEEN IT'S JUST BEEN GROWING LIKE GANGBUSTERS. 
          NETJETS WAS ABOUT 250 AIRPLANES 20 YEARS AGO,
AND TODAY THEY'RE 750 AIRPLANES AND BUYING AIRPLANES LEFT, RIGHT AND CENTER. SO I DON'T LIKE THE REDISTRIBUTION OF THE NOISE. 
          DOWN THE BAY WOULD BE THAT NOISE. THERE WAS A SECOND PART. 
          [01:55:03]
YEAH. IT WAS. YOU HAD MADE MENTION IN YOUR NOTES THAT ABOUT SEPARATING OUT OLDER AIRCRAFT
FROM NEWER AIRCRAFT AND CARROTS AND STICKS. CAN YOU TALK ABOUT SOME IDEAS THAT YOU HAVE THOUGHT OF TO
ADDRESS THIS? BECAUSE YOU HAD NAMED A NUMBER OF AIRCRAFTS AND ENGINES,
AND YOU WERE VERY TECHNICAL IN YOUR LETTER? YEAH. WELL THANK YOU FOR THAT QUESTION. I THINK IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. 
          I HAVE BEEN GIVING THOUGHT TO IT. I THINK THERE'S WE CAN STRATIFY THE USERS OF THE AIRPORT
AND THE COMMUNITY, AND WE HAVE OUR TENANTS AND OUR RESIDENTS THAT ARE HERE. 
          THEY SHOULD BE PROTECTED. THEY SHOULDN'T BE SUBJECTED TO PENALTIES OR CLAUSES OR PUNITIVE
COMMERCIAL PENALTIES. 
          WE NEED TO THESE HAVE BEEN LONG TERM RESIDENTS. WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF THEM. AND THEN WE
HAVE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN ON VACATIONS. 
          WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN ON COMMERCIAL FLIGHTS AND THE COMMERCIAL FLIGHTS
STRATIFY. AND YET TWO OTHER CATEGORIES. YOU MENTIONED JSX EARLIER ON. 
          THAT WOULD BE AN FAA PART, PART TWO. 121. THAT'S A SCHEDULED COMMERCIAL FLIGHT. 
          THIS TO ME IS PROBABLY THE THE LEAST ATTRACTIVE FOR US TO HAVE HERE. 
          SO IF WE STRATIFY THEM INTO WHAT'S THE MOST PREFERENTIAL TO LEAST PREFERENTIAL? I'LL PUT THEM IN THE LEAST PREFERENTIAL. AND THEN YOU HAVE THE COMMERCIAL OPERATORS THAT
ARE MAKING A DOLLAR FROM BRINGING CUSTOMERS IN HERE. THOSE WOULD BE THE CHARTER GUYS AND THE FRACTIONAL GUYS. AND THAT'S UNDER PART 135. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE THE PART 91 WHICH ARE THE PRIVATE BUSINESS,
THE PRIVATE OWNERS OF JETS, THEY'RE NOT PAYING TO FLY THESE PLANES. THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT TAKING REVENUE TO PLAY THE
EDGES. 
          AND THEY'RE USUALLY RESIDENTS. AND I THINK THEY SHOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF. AND THEN YOU HAVE
THE OPERATIONS HERE, THE PILOT SCHOOLS AND THE OTHERS THAT THE RECREATIONAL OPERATORS I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD SEE ANY, ANY PENALTIES. SO I THINK THERE'S A THERE'S PROBABLY A
GOOD PROJECT TO UNDERTAKE TO START LOOKING. 
          HOW DO YOU STRATIFY THESE CUSTOMERS TO PROTECT THE ONES THAT ARE NEIGHBORS AND,
AND FIND WAYS OF SAYING TO THE NON NEIGHBORS AND TO THE COMMERCIAL, THE GUYS MAKING LOTS OF MONEY LIKE THE NETJETS. HOW DO WE DISINCENTIVIZE THAT SOMEHOW. 
          OKAY. AND THEN IN TERMS OF YOUR, THE DIFFERENT COMPANIES THAT YOU'VE WORKED FOR AND SOME
OF THE, IN THE LETTER THAT YOU WROTE US BACK IN 2022. 
          AND THEN IN SOME JUST SOME DIGGING THAT I DID. 
          CAN YOU TALK ABOUT YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE AIRPORT AND DO YOU HAVE ANY BUSINESS
INTERESTS THERE? AND WHAT DO YOU DO? AND ARE YOU INCENTED TO AS VOLUME GOES UP,
DO YOU MAKE MORE MONEY? GREAT QUESTION. I'M A BUSINESS AVIATION GUY,
BUT YOU CAN STRATIFY THAT EVEN FURTHER. 
          I'M AN ENGINE GUY AND I'M NOW AN ENGINE MAINTENANCE GUY. 
          SO I WORK WITH PEOPLE TO DEVELOP COMMERCIAL PROGRAMS FOR THEIR ENGINES,
AND THEN TO OBSERVE THE TECHNICAL EVALUATION OF THE ENGINE TO THE SHOP. 
          I HAVE A CREW OF PEOPLE AT DIFFERENT ENGINE SHOPS I HAVE IN MONTREAL,
I HAVE IN WEST VIRGINIA, I HAVE IN TEXAS AND ALSO IN GEORGIA, AND WE OVERSEE ABOUT 500 ENGINE EVENTS TO THE SHOP. 
          I HAVE NO INTEREST IN AIRPLANES COMING HERE OR GOING THERE,
EVEN WHEN AN AIRPLANE BREAKS IN IN THE WORLD. 
          I DON'T DEAL WITH THAT LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE. I DEAL WITH THE ENGINE WHEN IT GETS INTO A
SHOP AND YOU HAVE A 2 TO $5 MILLION SHOP EVENT, AND I FIND WAYS TO SPEED UP THAT EVENT THROUGH THE SHOP AND TO CONTROL ITS COST AND TO
ENSURE ITS SAFETY AND INTEGRITY. 
          OKAY. AND MY ONE LAST QUESTION IS, I SEE YOU LIVE ON MARLIN. 
          SO YOU ARE NEAR OR IN THE FLIGHT PATH IN SOME CASES,
OR ARE YOU FURTHER DOWN SOUTH? ARE YOU IMPACTED BY WOULD YOU CONSIDER YOURSELF UNDER THE FLIGHT PATH? I CAN SEE THE PLANES LANDING. I CAN ALMOST SEE THE TAIL NUMBERS,
BUT I WOULDN'T SAY I'M UNDER THE FLIGHT PATH. 
          NOT LIKE I'M NOT DOWNSTREAM OR UPWIND OR DOWNWIND OF THE OF RUNWAY 23 AND FIVE. 
          NO, I SOMEWHAT BISECT THE TWO DIFFERENT RUNWAYS. 
          OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN. AND BY THE WAY, THAT WAS NOT AN ACCIDENT. 
          THAT WAS ON PURPOSE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN IN TERMS OF YOUR DESIRE TO BE ON THE NAR. YOU'VE APPLIED A COUPLE TIMES. WHAT IS MOTIVATING YOU? WHY DO YOU WANT TO? WHY DO YOU WANT THIS JOB? BECAUSE IT IS A BALANCING ACT. IT'S A TOUGH JOB. 
          YEAH, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A THANKLESS JOB AND IT'S FREE. 
          SO WHY WOULD I DO IT? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. ALSO,
LIKE I SAID, 32 YEARS IN THIS BUSINESS, I LOVE THE BUSINESS. I THINK THE PEOPLE IN BUSINESS ARE UNIQUELY,
EXTREMELY PROFESSIONAL AND AGREEABLE TO WORK WITH. 
          I'VE WORKED IN, YOU KNOW, MILITARY WORLDS. I'VE WORKED IN COMMERCIAL WORLDS,
AND I DON'T FIND THE SAME TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT I DO IN BUSINESS AVIATION. I ENJOY THIS INDUSTRY. I THINK IT'S REWARDING. I'VE HAD 32 YEARS IN IT. 
          AND TO USE AN ANALOGY, I'M ON MY GLIDE SLOPE,
MY GLIDE SLOPE OF MY CAREER. 
          SO WHERE SHOULD I DEDICATE MY PASSION, MY TIME AS I START UNWINDING FROM MY BUSINESS AND
START PAYING ATTENTION? AND AS I SAID EARLIER, I FEEL THAT GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY IS VERY IMPORTANT. 
          SO HERE I HAVE THESE SKILLS AND ABILITIES, AND HERE'S THIS POSITION AND OPPORTUNITY. I'D
LIKE TO CERTAINLY CONTRIBUTE TOWARDS IT. 
          [02:00:04]
WELL. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. MAYOR. 
          MR. ALBERTO, THANK YOU FOR APPLYING. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS FOR YOU,
WHICH I'LL BE ASKING OTHERS AS WELL. 
          SO LET'S START WITH. SOME BASICS. DO YOU SUPPORT RELOCATING THE AIRPORT OR CONTINUING
STUDIES TO RELOCATE THE AIRPORT? SO I'M TWO THINGS. I'M AN ENGINEER,
SO I'M PRAGMATIC. 
          I LOOK AT DATA. AND THE OTHER IS I'M A COLLABORATOR. 
          I WORK I WORK WITH TEAMS. I BELIEVE THIS STUDY HAS BEEN COMPLETED NOW. 
          IT'S BEEN EXHAUSTED. I THINK WE'VE SPENT QUITE A BIT OF MONEY LOOKING AT RELOCATING THE
AIRPORT. SO IN TERMS OF THE CONCLUSION OF THE ANALYSIS, AS AN ENGINEER, I LOOK AT IT AND SAY, WELL, IT'S BEEN CONCLUDED THAT WE'RE NOT MOVING THE
AIRPORT. IF THAT IS IN FACT THE CONCLUSION, I SUPPORT IT 100%. 
          I THINK THE COST TO RELOCATED IS VERY HIGH. I MEAN,
IF IT WAS EASY, I WOULD CERTAINLY SUPPORT IT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S EASY. AND RELATED TO THAT,
WHAT IS YOUR VIEW AS TO THE LONG TERM FUTURE OF THE AIRPORT? DO YOU SUPPORT ITS CONTINUATION AS A IN ITS CURRENT FORM? DO YOU THINK IT SHOULD BE? OVER THE LONG TERM,
WE SHOULD BE PURSUING A STRATEGY OF CLOSING THE AIRPORT OR CHANGING IT TO A GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORT ONLY. THOSE ARE THE RIGHT TERMS. BUT BASICALLY CHANGING THE THE BUSINESS PURPOSE AND MIX OF THE AIRPORT. 
          OR DO YOU THINK IT SHOULD CONTINUE TO SERVE THE THE CUSTOMERS THAT IT SERVES TODAY? GOOD QUESTION. VERY GOOD QUESTION. YOU KNOW,
THIS THIS CITY HAS GROWN FROM THE TIME I MOVED HERE IN 2008. 
          IT'S GROWN TREMENDOUSLY IN THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTIES,
HAS GROWN TREMENDOUSLY, AND I THINK THAT THE AIRPORT AND THE CITY HAVE GROWN TOGETHER AND PROBABLY INTERRELATED TO EACH OTHER. ONE GROWS ALONGSIDE THE OTHER. 
          THE QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING IS A BIGGER QUESTION. PROBABLY A QUESTION FOR THE CITY COUNCIL
THAN IT IS FOR THE FAA BECAUSE OF THE CONTINUED GROWTH. 
          AND MANY OF YOU RAN ON A PLATFORM OF KEEPING THIS A SMALL TOWN FEEL. 
          AND UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S HARD TO CONTROL. AND WE'RE SEEING BIG EXPANSION. 
          WE'RE SEEING VERY, VERY WEALTHY PEOPLE COME INTO THIS TOWN. 
          SO HOW DO YOU SERVE THEM? YOU'RE GOING TO BE YOUR NEIGHBORS,
TOO. 
          HOW DO YOU SERVE THEM? AND THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN THEIR VEHICLES,
WHICH ARE AIRPLANES. SO I THINK WE HAVE TO CONTINUE DOWN THIS PATH. 
          HOWEVER, ALL OF US WORKING TOGETHER, SEE HOW DO WE HOW DO WE MITIGATE THE THE RAPID
GROWTH? BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S NOT GOING TO SLOW DOWN WITH ALL THE NEW PLACES GOING UP. 
          IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO GROW. SO WE HAVE TO FIND A WAY OF MANAGING THAT,
AND BOTH FROM HERE AND FROM THE NEA. 
          THANK YOU. AND IT IS IT IS A BIG OPEN ENDED QUESTION. 
          THE ONLY THING I WOULD I GUESS, DISAGREE WITH YOU ON IS I THINK IT IS A QUESTION FOR THE
NEA BOARD AS MUCH AS IT IS FOR CITY COUNCIL. 
          AND THIS GETS TO MY NEXT QUESTION, WHICH IS ABOUT GRANTS. 
          THE BOARD MAKES THE DECISION ON WHETHER TO SEEK AND AND,
AND TAKE GRANTS OR NOT. 
          IT'S A COMMON PRACTICE WITH AIRPORTS LARGE AND SMALL EVERYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY TO TO,
TO APPLY FOR FEDERAL FAA GRANTS AND USE THAT AS A MAJOR SOURCE OF REVENUE TO KEEP AN AN AIRPORT SAFE AND
ECONOMICALLY SUSTAINABLE. 
          WHAT IS YOUR VIEW ON THE TAKING OF GRANTS, WHICH OBVIOUSLY HAS A. 
          DIRECT INTERRELATIONSHIP WITH THE CONTINUED OPERATION OF THE AIRPORT IN ITS CURRENT
LOCATION AND IN ITS CURRENT BUSINESS MODEL. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S QUITE A BIT OF MAINTENANCE THAT'S DUE
IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS AT THE AIRPORT, IN FACT, $100 MILLION WORTH OF MAINTENANCE THAT'S DUE. 
          AND I THINK THOSE GRANTS WOULD GO A LONG WAY TO SUPPORTING THOSE MAINTENANCE ACTIVITIES,
WHICH IS WHAT THEY'RE INTENDED TO. FUNDAMENTALLY, I UNDERSTAND THAT THE GRANTS THE SOURCE OF THE GRANTS IS MONEY THAT'S COLLECTED FROM TAXES
ON THE FUEL. 
          SO, IN ESSENCE, TO ACCEPT A GRANT OR TO APPLY FOR GRANT IS TO CLAIM SOME OF THE TAX MONEY
BACK, LIKE A TAX REFUND. SO I THINK THAT THAT'S LOGICAL. 
          WE SHOULD GO AFTER THAT. THERE'S A SECOND PART OF THE QUESTION WHICH ARE THE STRINGS OR
THE ASSURANCES? WHAT ARE THE ASSURANCES THAT ARE RELATED TO TAKING THAT GRANT? IN MOST CASES,
I UNDERSTAND AND I HAVE NOT READ THE GRANTS. 
          I DON'T KNOW THIS YET, BUT I MY IMPRESSION AT THIS POINT IS THAT THE GRANTS,
THE ASSURANCES ARE NO DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE DO ANYWAY. 
          THEY'RE BASED ON SAFETY. THEY'RE BASED ON EFFICIENCY. 
          THEY'RE BASED ON REPAIRING. THEY'RE BASED ON THINGS THAT WE WOULD DO ANYWAY. SO IT'S
GIVING THE SHIRTS OUT OF OUR VEST, OUR SLEEVES OUT OF OUR VEST. NOT A BIG DEAL. 
          [02:05:05]
NOTWITHSTANDING, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE ASSURANCES ARE. 
          AND ARE THERE ANYTHING ARE THERE ANY ASSURANCES IN THERE THAT DON'T CORRESPOND WITH OUR
LONG TERM GOALS? DOES IT OBLIGATE US IN A FASHION THAT WE DON'T WANT TO BE HANDCUFFED? IN WHICH CASE I'D BE
OPEN TO DEBATING THAT WITH MY PEERS, DEBATING IT WITH OTHERS, AND AND COMING UP WITH THE MOST REASONABLE COMMON SENSE APPROACH. 
          HAVE YOU EVER SEEN ANY EXAMPLES OF ASSURANCES THAT WOULD TROUBLE YOU? I MEAN, THE ASSURANCES ARE THAT GET SPOKEN ABOUT PRIMARILY JUST HAVE TO DO WITH THE THE
TIME THAT WOULD THAT THE AIRPORT WOULD HAVE TO CONTINUE TO OPERATE IN,
IN TYPICALLY 20 YEARS FROM THE TIME THE GRANT IS TAKEN. IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE THE GRANT. 
          BUT ARE THERE OTHER ASSURANCES THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT ARE PROBLEMATIC? I'M NOT AWARE OF
ANY ASSURANCES, BUT AS I SAID BEFORE, I HAVE NOT I HAVE NOT READ A GRANT. 
          I HAVE NOT READ THE AGREEMENT. I CAN'T I CAN'T STATE WHAT THAT IS. 
          BUT AS A BOARD, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT I WOULD CERTAINLY STUDY THAT VERY CLOSELY. 
          BUT YOU'RE NOT IDEOLOGICALLY OR PHILOSOPHICALLY OPPOSED TO THE CONCEPT OF TAKING GRANTS. 
          ABSOLUTELY NOT. I THINK MY FIRST IMPRESSION IS IT'S REASONABLE. 
          IT'S THE RIGHT APPROACH IS TO TAKE IT FOR IT TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE MAINTENANCE
THAT'S DUE. AND ALSO, YOU'RE CLAIMING BACK SOME OF THE TAX MONIES THAT THEY'VE COLLECTED FROM YOUR FROM YOUR FUEL SALES. YEAH. OKAY. MOVING ON. 
          YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE OTHER ISSUES THAT CAN CONTINUALLY COMES UP WHEN WE DISCUSS THE
AIRPORT IS THE, THE ROLE OF THE FAA VERSUS SO-CALLED LOCAL CONTROL AS THE TERM HAS GOTTEN UTILIZED. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT. HOW DEEPLY YOU'VE LOOKED INTO THAT. 
          BUT DO YOU HAVE A VIEWPOINT OR A POSITION ON THE RELATIVE AUTHORITY THAT THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT HAS AND THE PREEMPTION THAT IT CAN CAN UTILIZE VIS A VIS LOCAL AUTHORITY AND THE ABILITY OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS TO TAKE ACTIONS TO MITIGATE NOISE OR DO ANYTHING ELSE THAT
RELATES TO THE OPERATION OF THE AIRPORT. AS IN ALL THINGS WITH FAA,
THEY'RE THEY'RE VERY WELL STIPULATED, LENGTHY AND VERY DETAILED. YOUR QUESTION IS ASKING FOR AN OFF THE CUFF ANSWER,
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S POSSIBLE WITH FAA TYPE INVOLVEMENT. 
          I THINK THAT REQUIRES A DEEP DIVE, DEEPER THAN WHAT I'VE DONE SO FAR TO REALLY UNDERSTAND
WHERE THE OPPORTUNITIES MIGHT MAY EXIST, AND PROBABLY THE ENGAGEMENT OF OTHER EXPERTS TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHERE THOSE
OPPORTUNITIES EXIST. 
          I HAVE NOT TAKEN A DIVE INTO THAT AREA. I CAN'T TELL YOU,
ALTHOUGH I HAVE WORKED VERY CLOSELY WITH FAA IN MANY OTHER AREAS, SO I KNOW THAT IT'S VERY CHALLENGING. IT'S VERY DETAILED AND IT'S A VERY LENGTHY PROCESS
NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO WHEN YOU WORK WITH THE FAA. 
          THANK YOU. AND THEN AND I'M GOING TO TRY NOT JUST WITH YOUR INTERVIEW BUT WITH OTHERS NOT
TO BE REDUNDANT IN ASKING QUESTIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ASKED. AND FOR EXAMPLE, COUNCILWOMAN ALREADY ASKED SOME VERY GOOD QUESTIONS
AROUND NOISE MITIGATION. 
          BUT ON THE SUBJECT OF TRYING TO DEAL WITH MITIGATING NOISE AND MANAGING VOLUME TO GO TOGETHER, I THINK HAND IN HAND. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE OF THIS,
BUT BACK IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR IN ONE OF OUR MANY DISCUSSIONS HERE COUNCIL ON THE AIRPORT,
THE LEADERSHIP OF THE NRA CAME AND LAID OUT A THREE PART STRATEGY FOR MITIGATING NOISE BY WORKING WITH THE FAA AND OUR CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION IN ORDER TO GET SUPPORT AND CONCURRENCE. 
          THE THREE STRATEGIES WHICH, BY THE WAY, TO MY DISAPPOINTMENT,
A SLIM MAJORITY OF THIS COUNCIL DID NOT SUPPORT MOVING FORWARD WITH IN A COLLABORATIVE, COLLABORATIVE LOBBYING EFFORT. 
          BUT THE THREE PART STRATEGY WAS NUMBER ONE BAN. 
          STAGE THREE JETS. NUMBER TWO, MAKE THE VOLUNTARY CURFEW MANDATORY. 
          NUMBER THREE, INTRODUCE SO-CALLED METERING. I'LL PUT THAT IN QUOTATION MARKS,
WHICH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS A PROCESS THAT WOULD ALLOW FLOW SPACING VOLUME TO BE MANAGED AND REDUCE THE RATIONALIZE THE NUMBER OF PLANES ARRIVING AND DEPARTING IN A WAY THAT WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE
AN IMPACT ON NOISE. 
          [02:10:01]
SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS AND AGAIN, IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE OF THIS PAST CONVERSATION,
I APOLOGIZE FOR PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT. 
          BUT DO YOU THINK THOSE ARE THREE SENSIBLE PATHS TO GO DOWN IN DISCUSSIONS WITH THE FAA AND UTILIZING, AS APPROPRIATE, OUR CONGRESSIONAL DELEGATION THAT COULD PRODUCE SOME REAL
BENEFITS FOR THIS COMMUNITY. 
          AND IF AND DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER IDEAS OF THE SAME IN THE SAME AREA THAT COULD ALSO BE
PURSUED BY THE FAA AND, AND HOPEFULLY CITY COUNCIL? THERE'S A THERE'S A REAL ISSUE WITH NOISE,
THOUGH, PARTICULARLY ONE SEGMENT OF THE COMMUNITY IS VERY MUCH AFFECTED AND THE EFFECT IS VARIES FROM DEPENDING ON THE HOURS. 
          AND I THINK THE MOST OFFENSIVE IS THOSE NIGHTTIME INCURSIONS. 
          SO YEAH, I THINK SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO FURTHER MINIMIZE
NON CURFEW FLIGHTS. 
          THAT'S WHEN PEOPLE GET WOKEN UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT ON A ON A PLANE. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT'S THAT'S NOT GOOD. SO YEAH,
I AGREE THAT THERE'S PROBABLY SOME, SOME ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT THERE. 
          THE OTHER WAS STAGE THREE. I THINK PUSHING FOR THAT IS IMPORTANT. 
          I THINK THAT IT WILL COME ONE WAY OR THE OTHER AS AS THE FLEET MATURES AND GETS QUIETER
AND QUIETER. 
          AS WE TALKED ABOUT, I MENTIONED DURING MY LAST INTERVIEW LAST YEAR HOW I SAW ONE OF THE
LATEST JETS, ONE OF THE JETS, ROLL BY ON THE RUNWAY, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS BEING TOWED BECAUSE IT WAS NO
NOISE. 
          AND QUITE FRANKLY, IT WAS UNDER ITS OWN POWER BECAUSE THOSE MIXING NOZZLES IN THE BACK,
WHICH JUST MADE IT SO DOGGONE QUIET. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE SEEING THAT. AND AS MORE AND MORE OF THOSE PLANES ARE AVAILABLE,
AND AS LONG AND AS I THINK THE FAA IS NOT GOING TO DO SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO CUT OUT 30% OF THE FLEET AND SAY, YOU CAN NO LONGER FLY,
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT. 
          THEY'LL BE MORE CAUTIOUS. IT'S COMING. BUT TO PUT THE PUSH ON THE FAA TO SAY,
LET'S LET'S DRIVE FOR MORE QUIET AIRPLANES IS, I THINK, AN IMPORTANT STEP. YEAH. AND MORE BROADLY,
YOU WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THE NOTION THAT THE FAA AND CITY COUNCIL NEED TO DEVELOP AND AGREE ON A SET OF STRATEGIES THAT WOULD MAKE THE
AIRPORT THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE ISSUES, PARTICULARLY WITH NOISE,
AND TO PURSUE THEM IN A, IN A SUSTAINABLE LONG TERM FASHION WITH THE FAA. 
          AND THAT THAT IS THE I WON'T SAY THE ONLY PATH,
BUT ONE PATH TO TRYING TO ACHIEVE SOME RESULTS. 
          YES, I THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. 
          AND I THINK THROUGH THE NOISE COMPATIBILITY COMMITTEE,
I THINK BETWEEN THE VOICE OF THE OF THE THE RESIDENTS THERE'S A LOT OF FEEDBACK THAT NA CAN USE. AND OF COURSE, WITH THE COLLABORATION WITH THE CITY COUNCIL IS TO DEVELOP A PLAN
FORWARD. 
          I THINK THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF COMMON GROUND THAT CAN BE REACHED. THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN FINALLY JUST SAY I SHOULD SAY HERE AT THE BEGINNING,
FULL DISCLOSURE WE'RE ASKING ALL THE APPLICANTS TO GIVE THEIR NAME, ADDRESS AND RELATIONSHIP TO THE AIRPORT. RAY CHRISMAN,
267 SIXTH STREET NORTH ON THE FLIGHT PATH. 
          AND I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY MEMBER OF THIS SITTING ON THIS DAIS WHO'S MORE ON THE
FLIGHT PATH THAN I AM. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. 
          MR. ALBERTO, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR YOU
SPECIFICALLY, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE A QUICK STATEMENT FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR THE APPLICANTS HERE TODAY. 
          I JUST WANTED TO SAY FOR MYSELF, ANY PERCEIVED LACK OF PARTICIPATION DOES NOT REPRESENT A
LACK OF INTEREST ON MY ON MY BEHALF. 
          I'VE GOT SEVERAL QUESTIONS HERE THAT I, THAT I HAD FOR THE FOR THE APPLICANTS. 
          AND AS MY COLLEAGUES MANAGED TO PROVIDE ME WITH THE INFORMATION I'M LOOKING FOR WITH THEIR
QUESTIONS, I AM NOT GOING TO BOTHER TAKING UP THE TIME. SO THIS IS MY ONE TIME. 
          I'M GOING TO BOTHER TAKING THE TIME TO TELL YOU THAT I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE UP YOUR TIME.
SO AGAIN, FOR THE PUBLIC, I APPRECIATE SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T TALK JUST TO BE HEARD OR HEAR THEMSELVES
TALK. 
          SO WE KNOW YOU'RE PAYING ATTENTION. THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. I HAVE VICE MAYOR, AND THEN KRAMER? YES. 
          AFTER VICE MAYOR. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU, SIR,
FOR YOUR INTEREST IN SERVING THE COMMUNITY IN THIS WAY. 
          I'M GOING TO LAY THE GROUNDWORK QUICKLY. I HAVE MY QUESTIONS WRITTEN DOWN SO THAT WE'LL BE
EFFICIENT WITH THIS. 
          SO SAFETY IS THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE FOR THE NAPLES AIRPORT. 
          OF COURSE, I BELIEVE EVERYONE HERE, BUT I CERTAINLY DO STRONGLY ADVOCATE FOR THE SAFETY OF
OUR RESIDENTS. 
          AIRPORT FLIGHT OPERATIONS CONTINUE TO ESCALATE IN THE NUMBER OF FLIGHTS ANNUALLY. 
          SAFETY RELATED INCIDENTS ALSO CONTINUE TO ESCALATE. 
          [02:15:03]
ON FEBRUARY 9TH, 2024. AND YOU SPOKE TO THIS IN YOUR STATEMENT. 
          SO THIS IS WHY THIS QUESTION IS HERE. A BOMBARDIER CHALLENGER 604 BUSINESS JET CRASHED IN
COLLIER COUNTY AS IT APPROACHED THE NAPLES AIRPORT. 
          THERE WERE FATALITIES. HAD IT NOT BEEN PUT DOWN WHERE IT WAS,
THE LIKELIHOOD OF MORE FATALITIES WOULD CERTAINLY BE DEALT WITH BY THE COMMUNITY. GE ENGINES IDENTIFIED AS CF 30 42B OR THREE B FAILED ON THE AIRCRAFT. 
          HUNDREDS MORE OF THESE SPECIFIC ENGINES ARE STILL IN USE. 
          CORROSION OF THE VARIABLE GUIDE VANES HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED AS AN AREA OF CONCERN. 
          IT HAS NOT BEEN PROVEN, BUT THAT'S THERE'S LAWSUITS ON IT BY THE OPERATOR OF THE JET. 
          AND FAA IS LOOKING AT THIS. IF YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL IN GAINING AN APPOINTMENT AS AN NA
COMMISSIONER, WHAT ACTIONS WOULD YOU SUPPORT TO BETTER PROTECT NAPLES RESIDENTS AND CALL YOUR COUNTY
RESIDENTS? BECAUSE A LOT OF WHAT WE DO SENDS THESE FLIGHTS RIGHT OVER COLLIER COUNTY. 
          AND THAT CRASH, THAT FATAL CRASH DIDN'T OCCUR IN THE CITY OF NAPLES. 
          IT OCCURRED IN COLLIER COUNTY. SO IF YOU ARE SUCCESSFUL,
WHAT CAN YOU DO TO PROTECT THESE RESIDENTS FROM THE LEGITIMATE SAFETY RISKS ASSOCIATED WITH AIRCRAFT FLYING WITH THESE SPECIFIC ENGINES AT AND
THEY'RE AT A HEIGHTENED RISK OF FAILURE. WHAT ACTIONS WILL YOU TAKE? HERE IN MY WHEELHOUSE. NOW. THANK YOU. YEAH,
YEAH. 
          THE CF34 WAS FIRST INTRODUCED IN 1991. THERE'S OVER 7500 CF34 FLYING IN COMMERCIAL SERVICE ON REGIONAL JETS, AS WELL AS BUSINESS AVIATION JETS. 
          IT'S ALSO USED IN THE WARTHOG AIR FORCE JET. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNEW THAT,
BUT THAT'S THAT'S ANOTHER VERY INTERESTING APPLICATION. 
          THIS PROBLEM HASN'T HAPPENED BEFORE IN ALL THESE YEARS. 
          HASN'T HAPPENED MUCH LESS ON TWO ENGINES AT THE SAME TIME. 
          SO I'M VERY CURIOUS ABOUT THIS. I HAVE SPOKEN TO MY COMMUNITY,
AND I UNDERSTAND, OF COURSE, THAT GE HAS TWO SERVICE BULLETINS TO INSPECT IMMEDIATELY. 
          ALL THESE FLOW PATHS AND WHAT THE VEINS ARE MOVING SHUTTERS LIKE YOU HAVE ON YOUR ON YOUR
WINDOWS AND THE SHROUDS THAT GO AROUND THEM MAY HAVE SOME CORROSION IS THE THEORY. AND AS THEY OPEN AND CLOSE THEY'RE JAMMING. 
          SO YOU'RE SAYING BOTH ENGINES, THE SHUTTERS CLOSED AND THEY BOTH JAMMED AT THE SAME TIME? THIS IS VERY SPECULATIVE AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. 
          NONETHELESS, I'VE LEARNED THAT AT LEAST 100 AIRPLANES HAVE BEEN INSPECTED THUS FAR AND
HAVE FOUND ZERO FINDINGS. 
          SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NTSB FINAL REPORT WHEN IT COMES OUT. 
          I KNOW IT TAKES A LONG TIME. BUT THE QUESTION IS,
WHAT ARE WE DOING? IN THE MEANWHILE, I DID VISIT WITH THE GE BOOTH AT THE NATIONAL BUSINESS AIRCRAFT
ASSOCIATION MEETING. 
          THAT HAPPENS ONCE A YEAR IN OCTOBER, AND I TRIED TO GET MORE UPDATES FROM THEM. 
          AND GUESS WHAT? THEY WERE SHROUDED BY LAWYERS AND THEY SAID,
SORRY, WE CAN'T TALK TO YOU. OH, I DO TALK TO THE CUSTOMERS WHO FLY THESE QUITE OFTEN. 
          SO WHAT CAN WE DO, I THINK IS GET ASSURANCES WE REALLY,
AS A COMMUNITY, SHOULD KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON. 
          AND TO THAT END, I THINK THOSE ARE SOME OF MY RELATIONSHIPS WITH PEOPLE LIKE IN
BOMBARDIER, WHERE I KNOW THE SENIOR LEADERSHIP VERY WELL. WHY DON'T WE HAVE THOSE GUYS COME DOWN AND TALK TO US AND SHARE WITH US WHERE WE'RE AT? WHAT'S THE SAFETY ISSUES? WHAT SHOULD OUR CONCERN LEVEL BE? SOME MIGHT BE REAL, SOME MIGHT BE IMAGINARY. AND IN THIS CASE,
WITH 7500 AIRPLANES OUT THERE, ENGINES, I'M SORRY, FLYING OUT THERE FOR 31 YEARS. 
          I DON'T THINK WE HAVE I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T I'M NOT SCARED MYSELF. 
          I WOULD FLY IN A CHALLENGER 600 FOR EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK. 
          THAT ENGINE IS A BEAST. VERY ROBUST, VERY SAFE. 
          THIS PARTICULAR OPERATOR HOP A JET BASED OUT OF FORT LAUDERDALE. 
          I HAVE SEEN CORROSION ISSUES OUT OF THAT AIRPORT. 
          THEY'RE VERY CLOSE TO THE COASTLINE. THE BREEZE BLOWS FROM THE EAST,
IT'S BLOWING. 
          AND THERE'S THERE'S PRACTICES PEOPLE SHOULD BE FOLLOWING,
COVERING THE ENGINES, THE FRONT AND THE BACK OF THE ENGINE, PUTTING DESICCANTS IN THE AND THE ENGINES. AND IF THEY DON'T, IT IS SUBJECT TO CORROSION. 
          SO POSSIBLY THERE'S A UNIQUE ISSUE TO HOP IN FORT LAUDERDALE. 
          AND IF THAT'S THE CASE, WE SHOULD KNOW THAT AS WELL. AND BY THE WAY,
AS A COMMERCIAL CARRIER. 
          SO THEY'RE UNDER FAA PART 135, WHICH IS SUBJECT TO EVEN HIGHER SCRUTINY BY THE FAA AND
INSPECTION REQUIREMENTS THAN A PART 91 PRIVATE OPERATOR. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. YOUR RECOMMENDATION OF BRINGING BOMBARDIER IN AND HAVING DISCUSSIONS
WITH THEM. THAT'S A START. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, TO YOUR POINT,
THOUSANDS OF THESE ENGINES ARE STILL IN SERVICE. 
          [02:20:07]
WE WE HAD A REAL LIFE EVENT WITH THIS JET COMING DOWN AND KILLING PEOPLE AND COULD HAVE
DONE EVEN MORE DAMAGE. 
          SO FOR ME, I'M NOT JUST SATISFIED WITH HAVING DISCUSSIONS. 
          I'M LOOKING FOR ACTION TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO JUST SPECIFIC TO THIS QUESTION, THERE ARE TWO SERVICE BULLETINS THAT ARE REQUIRED TO
INSPECT THESE PARTS. 
          THIS ADDRESSES SPECIFICALLY THE ISSUE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THE REASON I WANT TO FIND
OUT FROM BOMBARDIER WHERE WE AT IS HOW MANY OF THESE ENGINES HAVE BEEN INSPECTED. 
          WHERE ARE WE AT IN THE INSPECTION PROCESS? HAVE WE COMPLETED? ARE WE NEARLY COMPLETED? WAS
THE COMPLIANCE PERIOD IN DAYS OR WAS IT IN HOURS OF OPERATIONS? SO WHERE ARE WE AND WHAT ARE THE FINDINGS. ARE THERE MORE OF THESE FINDINGS OR IS IT JUST THIS ONE AIRPLANE? AND THE MORE WE KNOW THE SAFER WILL FEEL. THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT THE PLACEMENT YOU TALKED ABOUT FORT LAUDERDALE AND THE SALT IN THE AIR, BASICALLY, I'M PARAPHRASING, BUT I BELIEVE THOSE ARE VERY REAL AND RELEVANT CRITERIA THAT
ALSO APPLY TO OUR AIRPORT HERE. 
          BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT LAST QUESTION. AGAIN,
SAFETY BEING THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE FOR THE NAPLES AIRPORT. 
          HISTORICALLY, AND YOU'VE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR POSITION ON GRANTS. 
          SO HISTORICALLY, THE AIRPORT HAS TAKEN FAA GRANTS TO FUND IMPROVEMENTS USED FOR A VARIETY
OF PURPOSES, SOME OF WHICH ARE SAFETY RELATED. WHEN A GRANT IS TAKEN,
AS YOU KNOW, THE GOVERNMENT HAS DEMANDS WHICH MUST BE MET. 
          WE CALL THOSE ASSURANCES THE FAA WILL NOT APPROVE GRANTS IN SOME SITUATIONS. 
          IN AA, STAFF HAS PRESENTED ALTERNATIVE FUNDING OPTIONS WHICH WOULD SUBSTITUTE GRANTS FOR
USER FEES. 
          SO USER FEES BEING USED TO PRODUCE INCOME, THIS WOULD RAISE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INSTEAD OF
HANDCUFFING US TO FAA DEMANDS. 
          WOULD YOU SUPPORT FUNDING ALTERNATIVES FOR THE NAPLES AIRPORT WHICH WOULD RESULT IN MORE
LOCAL CONTROL INSTEAD OF FAA GRANTS. IF NOT, PLEASE EXPLAIN WHY. YOU'RE ASKING EITHER OR QUESTION,
AND MY ANSWER WOULD BE WHY NOT BOTH? AGAIN, I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THOSE ASSURANCES ARE AND IF THEY'RE
REASONABLE COMMON SENSE ASSURANCES. 
          I HAVE NO ISSUES IF THEY'RE UNREASONABLE. AND AS COUNCILMAN KRISEMAN ASKED,
ARE THERE ANY UNREASONABLE ONES THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH? I DON'T I HAVEN'T SEEN THEM, I DON'T KNOW. BUT IF THEY'RE UNREASONABLE ONES OR THAT EXTEND
BEYOND THE LEASE PERIOD OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THEN I WOULD SAY LET'S, LET'S TALK ABOUT IT AND POSSIBLY NOT ACCEPT THAT PARTICULAR GRANT. 
          ARE THERE ALTERNATIVE WAYS OF GENERATING REVENUE? YES, I THINK WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY THERE. I TALKED EARLIER ABOUT STRATIFYING OUR CUSTOMER
BASE, PROTECT OUR LOCALS, PROTECT OUR RESIDENTS, PROTECT OUR TENANTS,
AND THEN START LOOKING AT THE ONES THAT ARE HEAVY USERS AND WHO ARE CAUSING A LOT OF THIS PROBLEM. A LOT OF THIS MONEY WE'VE SPENT ON STUDIES BECAUSE OF THE NOISE. 
          MAYBE WE SHOULD GET THEM TO FUND IT THROUGH USER FEES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. 
          KRAMER. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO ECHO WHAT MY BUDDY BYRNE SAYS,
THAT IF I DON'T ASK A BUNCH OF QUESTIONS, IT'S BECAUSE I'M JUST WAITING. BECAUSE MY COLLEAGUES DO SUCH A FANTASTIC JOB OF VETTING. 
          WE DON'T NEED TO SPEND MORE TIME. AND I SPOKE WITH MANY OF THE CANDIDATES. 
          EITHER I REACHED OUT TO THEM OR THEY REACHED OUT TO ME AND THIS WAS DONE IN ADVANCE. 
          SO I AM NOT DISINTERESTED. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. 
          DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE. OKAY, PERFECT. 
          IN CONCLUSION YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE UTILIZATION PLAN FOR THE AIRPORT. 
          THE. I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. JUST IT'S JUST A QUESTION. 
          DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE GROWTH AT THE AIRPORT HAS INCREASED OVER THE YEARS THAT YOU'VE
BEEN HERE. 
          YES. AND I THANK YOU FOR THE QUESTION THAT YOU ASKED KRISEMAN. 
          SO WE KNOW THAT HOW WE CAN TRY AND ADDRESS THAT. 
          WHAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT OPERATION TO YOU AT THE AIRPORT? I THINK YOU MENTIONED THE LOCALS, AND. BUT JUST CAN YOU ANSWER THAT QUESTION? WHAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT OPERATION TO YOU AT THE NAPLES AIRPORT? OUR NEIGHBORS, TO ME, ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT. 
          WE'RE SERVING OUR COMMUNITY. AND WE HAVE NEIGHBORS WHO ARE USERS OF THAT AIRPORT. 
          TENANTS OF THAT AIRPORT OPERATE BUSINESSES IN THE AIRPORT OR RELY ON THE BUSINESS THAT
COMES THROUGH THAT AIRPORT. 
          [02:25:03]
AND I THINK THAT'S OUR TOP PRIORITY. THANK YOU. 
          AND I THINK YOU ANSWERED THIS, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY BUSINESS INTEREST OR INVESTMENTS IN
THE AIRPORT. 
          CORRECT. AND FULL DISCLOSURE, I WAS A FRIEND OF THE AIRPORT MEMBER. 
          ARE YOU A MEMBER OF A FRIENDS OF THE AIRPORT? NO. I'M NOT. OKAY. AND DO YOU WHERE DO YOU SEE THIS AIRPORT IN 20 YEARS? BEING THAT WE HAVE FLIGHTS EVERY THREE MINUTES. 
          I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID. THREE MILES. THREE MILES. 
          SEPARATION. NOT THREE MINUTES. THREE MILES SEPARATION. 
          THREE MILE SEPARATION MINIMUMS. YEAH. WHERE DO I SEE IT GOING IN 20 YEARS? WELL, I TAKE A DRIVE UP THE GOLDEN MILE AND I SEE A LOT MORE PLANES COMING IN. 
          EVERY ONE OF THOSE UNITS IS GOING TO HAVE A PLANE. 
          SO WHAT IS THE ROOT CAUSE. IT'S NOT THAT WE HAVE AN AIRPORT. 
          THAT IS THE REASON WE HAVE AIRPLANES IS THAT WE HAVE LUXURIOUS HOMES. 
          ALSO, I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE DYNAMICS OF THE PRICE OF HOMES IN THIS AREA,
THEY'VE THEY'VE RAPIDLY INCREASED. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK BACK AT 2000 TO TODAY 25 YEARS. 
          THE PRICE INCREASES MULTIPLES 100, 200, 300,
400% FOR THE SAME HOME. 
          AN AIRPLANE HAS ONLY GONE UP 33%. $21 MILLION PLANE IN 2000 IS PRICED AT 28 MILLION TODAY. 
          SO RELATIVELY SPEAKING, A PLANE IS CHEAPER TODAY TO THOSE HOMEOWNERS THAN IT WAS BACK
THEN. 
          PLUS YOU HAVE THE ADVENT OF THE FRACTIONALS,
YOU HAVE NETJETS, YOU HAVE FLEXJET TOGETHER, THEY HAVE OVER A THOUSAND AIRPLANES, AND YOU CAN BUY A SHARE OF THAT $28 MILLION AIRPLANE
FOR $3 MILLION. 
          THAT PUTS THESE AIRPLANES INTO THE REACH OF A LOT MORE OF OUR RESIDENTS. 
          SO THE REALITY IS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE OF THESE AIRPLANES. 
          WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT IT? THAT'S THE QUESTION. HOW DO YOU MANAGE THE VOLUME WE
HAVE TODAY? IT'D BE NICE TO JUST STABILIZE IT WHERE IT'S AT. 
          BUT THE MORE WE BUILD, THE MORE WE'RE GOING TO GET. 
          WHEN THE AIRPLANES ARE COMING IN FOR APPROACH. 
          WHAT'S THE SAFE LEVEL OR HEIGHT IN THAT APPROACH,
GIVEN THAT WE DO HAVE 42FT COMMERCIAL HEIGHT LIMIT? THAT'S DETERMINED, I THINK, BY A GLIDE SLOPE. 
          IT'S NOT A CERTAIN FIXED HEIGHT. THESE PLANES ARE COMING IN. 
          THEY'RE BASICALLY GLIDING. THE ENGINES ARE BACK INTO FULL IDLE AND THEY'RE JUST GLIDING
IN, KIND OF LIKE YOU TAKE YOUR FOOT OFF THE GAS AND COME TO A STOPLIGHT. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE
DOING WITH THE TIMED APPROACH. AND THE SLOPE COINCIDES WITH THE END OF THE RUNWAY, SO THERE'S NO ONE SPECIFIC HEIGHT. OKAY. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE LEASES OR THE
AGREEMENTS AND THE GAS AGREEMENTS AT THE NAPLES AIRPORT? NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT, WELL,
THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. I DO APPRECIATE YOUR APPLICATION AGAIN AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO FLYING JETS AND
AIRPORT SAFETY IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          YEAH. THANK YOU AGAIN. LIKE I SAID, 32 YEARS IN THIS BUSINESS,
I LOVE IT. 
          I LOVE TO GIVE BACK. I THINK MY SKILL SET APPLIES DIRECTLY TO THIS OPPORTUNITY,
TO THIS POSITION AND I'D LOVE TO SERVE. 
          GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. OUR NEXT INTERVIEW WILL BE WITH JOHN ALLEN. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF I'LL MAKE THE NEXT HOUR WITHOUT GOING TO THE BATHROOM AFTER. 
          IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO AS LONG AS YOU DID WITH HIM. I WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO TAKE A BREAK,
BUT THOUGHT YOU MIGHT WANT TO GO PRIOR TO TAKE MY WIFE TO THE DOCTOR. 
          GOOD MORNING, MR. ALLEN. GOOD MORNING. WELCOME. 
          THAT'D BE NICE. WE CAN GO STRAIGHT TO QUESTIONS. 
          UNLESS YOU JUST HAVE A BRIEF STATEMENT. YOU HAVE A BRIEF STATEMENT? FIRST, I WANT TO OBSERVE THAT IN MY 30 YEARS OF WATCHING THIS AIRPORT,
THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME THERE'S BEEN AN UNHEALTHY TENSION BETWEEN THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY. AND I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY UNHEALTHY BECAUSE IT
RAISES THINGS TO TALK ABOUT. 
          AND AND I KNOW THE FIRST TIME I GOT APPOINTED 15 YEARS AGO,
PLUS IT WAS BECAUSE THE NAPLES CITY COUNCIL WAS VERY UNHAPPY WITH THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY. AND SO DON'T FEEL LIKE YOU'RE THE FIRST COUNCIL THAT DIDN'T SEE EYE TO EYE WITH
NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY. 
          AND GENERALLY SPEAKING, WHEN YOU DON'T SEE EYE TO EYE WITH EACH OTHER,
IF YOU'RE REASONABLE ABOUT IT, GOOD THINGS COME FROM IT. I'M STEPPING UP TODAY BECAUSE TWO OF THE MOST EXPERIENCED
COMMISSIONERS ARE ROLLING OFF THIS NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY. 
          AND IN MY 30 YEARS OF OBSERVING THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY,
I THINK YOU HAVE THE LEAST EXPERIENCE AT ONE OF THE MOST DIFFICULT TIMES. 
          I THINK THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY NEEDS AN EXPERIENCE,
IMPARTIAL, INDEPENDENT VOICE FOR ALL OF THE CITY OF NAPLES AND THE USERS 
          [02:30:02]
OF THE AIRPORT. MANY IN THE COMMUNITY ARE ALSO VOICING CONCERNS ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF THE
APPOINTMENT PROCESS. 
          AND CONGRATULATIONS. BETH I WAS GOING TO BRING UP THE LEGISLATION RELATED TO HOW WE SCORE
IN A SELECT TODAY BECAUSE I KNOW THAT LEGISLATION FAIRLY WELL. AND SO A TYPICAL BETH, SHE'S ON TOP OF EVERYTHING. 
          AND I THINK THIS IS APPROPRIATE TIME. WAIT. I'M SORRY. 
          YEAH. I'M SORRY. WE'LL HAVE TO FINISH THAT AT ANOTHER TIME. 
          THANK YOU, MR. ALLEN. SORRY. I'LL RESTART. I SAID MANY IN THE COMMUNITY ARE VOICING
CONCERNS ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF THE APPOINTMENT PROCESS AND THE COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE LEGISLATION, AND ALSO ABOUT CURRENT COMMISSIONERS COMPLIANCE WITH THE STATE CODE OF ETHICS
AND CONDUCT. 
          AND I BELIEVE AT THIS UNIQUE CROSSROAD IN THE AIRPORT AND THE CITY'S RELATIONSHIP,
I CAN BE A VOICE THAT WILL RESTORE A LEVEL OF TRUST IN BOTH OF THE RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN THE CITY. 
          MY EXPERIENCE IS PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD. I'VE HAD 28 YEARS OF FOLLOWING THE AIRPORT. 
          I'VE HAD THREE DIFFERENT HANGARS AT THE AIRPORT. 
          I'VE OWNED EIGHT DIFFERENT PLANES AT THE AIRPORT. OVER A 35 YEAR PERIOD. 
          I'VE NEGOTIATED ALMOST 20,000,000FT² OF LEASES IN MY LIFETIME. 
          I'VE BUILT 7.5 MILLION SQUARE FEET, OR REMODELED 7.5 MILLION SQUARE FEET OF SPACE. 
          AND I AND I BELIEVE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF ISSUES RELATIVE TO CONSTRUCTION,
PARTICULARLY WITH CHALLENGES AT THE AIRPORT AS IT AGES. 
          AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME REAL CHALLENGES ON SOME LEASES WITH TENANTS WHO WANT TO BE
ON THIS AIRPORT. 
          THAT MAY NOT BE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE AIRPORT. 
          I HAVE THE SKILL SET THAT CAN DO THAT. WITH THAT,
I'D ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. COUNCIL, COUNCIL MEMBER AND KRAMER. 
          JOHN, THANK YOU FOR APPLYING AGAIN. THE AIRPORT HAS GROWN EXPONENTIALLY SINCE YOU WERE
LAST ON THE AIR. 
          THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT MOVING THE AIRPORT. 
          THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF STUDIES RELATIVE TO THAT PARTICULAR TOPIC. 
          YOUR PERSONAL THOUGHTS ABOUT MOVING THE AIRPORT? I, I CONCUR WITH THE RESULTS OF THE STUDY WHERE IT'S NOT THE RIGHT,
IT'S NOT A DECISION THAT CAN HAPPEN ECONOMICALLY OR LOGICALLY. 
          I THINK THEY CAME TO THE RIGHT CONCLUSION. IT WAS A QUESTION PROBABLY HAD TO BE ASKED,
AND I THINK THE ANSWER WAS IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. 
          AND GIVEN THAT, THEN THE THOSE THAT FEEL THAT THEY ARE DISAFFECTED BY THE MACHINATIONS AT
THE AIRPORT THAT ARE SEEMINGLY NECESSARY BECAUSE IT'S GROWN EXPONENTIALLY,
PROBABLY TOO, SINCE YOU WERE LAST ON. 
          DO YOU HAVE THOUGHTS ABOUT AMELIORATING NOISE ISSUES? I DO I THINK RALPH, WHO, INCIDENTALLY, IS AS QUALIFIED AS ANY INDIVIDUAL AS I HAVE EVER
HEARD, INTERVIEW FOR THE AIRPORT. I THINK RALPH'S IDEA RELATIVE TO METERING OR STAGGERING THE
ARRIVALS, I KNOW IT REQUIRES A ONE 60 ONE TO DO THAT CONSTANTLY. 
          BUT WE HAVE WITHIN OUR POWER A CALL TO THE FAA TOWER IN FORT MYERS AND OUR BUSIEST DAYS
AND OUR MOST TROUBLESOME DAYS TO SAY TO THEM, WE'VE GOT RAMP SPACE PROBLEMS AND YOU'VE GOT TO SLOW IT DOWN. 
          I THINK WE CAN DO THAT. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE SHOULDN'T MOVE TO ONE 60 ONE,
AND IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE SHOULDN'T INVEST IN SAYING THIS IS JUST SYSTEMATICALLY. THIS IS NOW A 5 POUND BAG OF MUD THAT WE'RE TRYING TO PUT 10 POUNDS IN. 
          AND AND I THINK WE HAVE A GOOD ARGUMENT, A REASONABLE ARGUMENT IN MAKING THAT ARGUMENT. 
          I ALSO THINK AS LONG AS THEY'RE DOING THE ONE 60 ONE,
I'D MOVE TO BAN STAGE THREE JETS. 
          WE DID THAT MANY YEARS AGO. WE LED THE NATION IN THAT THERE'S A COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT. 
          WE CAN AFFORD IT. IT'S ONLY 10% OF THE PLANES THAT COME AND GO. 
          I WALK EVERY MORNING FROM MY HOME IN PORT ROYAL TO THE COFFEE SHOP IN FIFTH AND SIXTH. 
          AND THE ONLY TIME I CAN REALLY HEAR A PLANE. IT'S A STAGE THREE PLANE. 
          NOW, I'M NOT ON THE LOWEST PART OF THE FLIGHT. 
          DESCENT WHEN I'M WALKING ON GORDON DRIVE. BUT I AM SITTING EIGHT MONTHS A YEAR AT THE
COFFEE SHOP WITH ABOUT 20 PEOPLE, AND I'VE ASKED THEM OVER THE LAST THREE MONTHS,
WHAT'S THE IMPROVEMENT? YOU COULDN'T TALK ON THE COFFEE SHOP 15 YEARS AGO. 
          20 YEARS AGO, WHEN A JET FLEW OVER. I'VE BEEN SITTING THERE SINCE 1998. 
          YOU CAN NOW. EXCEPT FOR WHEN A STAGE THREE PLANE GOES OVER,
I WOULD BE 100% SUPPORTIVE OF EXPENDING RESOURCES TO MOVE FOR A STAGE THREE BAN. IT MAY NOT HAPPEN BECAUSE WE'RE DOING IT,
BUT BECAUSE WE'RE DOING IT. 
          [02:35:04]
OTHERS MAY DO IT, AND THE FAA MAY START TO FEEL THE PRESSURE OF IT. 
          WE'RE NOT THE ONLY COMMUNITY AFFECTED BY NOISE. 
          SO WE TOOK A LEADERSHIP ROLE 20 YEARS AGO WITH THE BAN OF THE ONES AND TWOS. 
          IF WE DID IT AGAIN, I THINK SOMETIMES ONE ONE PERSON MAKES A MAJORITY AND CREATES THE
ENTHUSIASM AND SUPPORT FOR DOING THAT. 
          I 12 YEARS AGO SUPPORTED THE EXTENSION OF RUNWAY 1432. 
          I WAS JUST GOING TO BRING THAT UP. WE STUDIED IT. 
          I STILL BELIEVE IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. THE REASON IT NEVER WENT ANYWHERE,
THEN, IS BECAUSE THE NERVES WERE RAW OVER THE EXTENSION OF THE RUNWAY AND THE MISINFORMATION THAT WENT OUT, RESULTING IN THAT EXTENSION AND THE UNFAIR. 
          ACCEPTANCE OF THE BENEFITS OF THAT EXTENSION. 
          THE RUNWAY EXTENSION, 1432 WOULDN'T BE DONE TO DIVERT NOISE. 
          IT WOULD BE DONE FOR SAFETY, AND IT WOULD BE DONE TO CREATE OTHER OPTIONS FOR PEOPLE TO
COME AND LEAVE ON. 
          LET'S TALK ABOUT THE RUNWAY EXTENSION THAT GOT DONE,
THAT RUNWAY EXTENSION. 
          YOU COULD HEAR BEFORE THAT, THE JETS TOOLING UP THE ENGINES AS THEY STOOD ON THEIR BRAKES
TRYING TO TAKE OFF. 
          YOU DON'T GET THAT HARDLY EVER ANYMORE. YOU DON'T HEAR THAT JETS AND THE PILOTS DON'T HAVE
TO DO IT. 
          SOME OF IT'S THE TECHNOLOGY OF THE PLANES. BUT IF A LOT OF IT IS,
THEY HAVE MORE RUNWAY TO DEAL WITH SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO FULL POWER, STAND ON THE BRAKES, MAKE ALL THE NOISE, AND THEN SLINGSHOT OUT OF THE AIRPORT. 
          THE PLANES HAVE MADE A BIG DIFFERENCE. RALPH IS QUITE RIGHT ABOUT THAT. 
          THE OTHER NOISE YOU DON'T HEAR MUCH ANYMORE IS PEOPLE COMING IN ON THE LANDING AND
THROWING THE THRUST REVERSERS ON. 
          BECAUSE WE'RE A SHORT RUNWAY, THE EXTRA RUNWAY HAS GAVE THAT ADDED ADVANTAGE TO YOU THINK
IT'S NOISY NOW WITHOUT THAT? RUNWAY EXTENSION, YOU'D HAVE A LOT MORE COMPLAINTS. 
          AND LASTLY, THE RUNWAY EXTENSION HAS ALLOWED THE PLANES TO GET HIGHER,
FASTER. 
          I'M NOT SO SURE THAT ONE OF THE THINGS WE SHOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT IS WORKING TO GET HIGHER
ALTITUDES. 
          AND I THINK THE NCAA IS DOING THAT AND HIRING A CONSULTANT TO DO IT,
BECAUSE SO MANY OF THESE PLANES CAN GET TO 2000, 2500 OR 3000FT BEFORE THEY EVEN LEAVE THE AIRPORT PROPERTY. 
          WHY AREN'T WE HARVESTING THAT POTENTIAL ADVANTAGE AND DOESN'T DON'T THE 161 DOESN'T THE
161 STUDY BASICALLY SORT OF REQUIRE HIGHER, FASTER OR DID I? WELL, WE'D HAVE TO APPLY FOR IT. 
          AND I THINK THE NCAA IS WORKING WITH THE SAME PEOPLE WHO HAVE CHANGED THE SLOPE COMING
INTO THE AIRPORT LAST MONTH AS A NOISE MITIGATION, AMELIORATION, IMPACT, THEY'VE CHANGED THAT SLOPE. 
          AND WE WOULD DO THE SAME THING FOR THE TAKEOFF. SO WE HIRE THE SAME GROUP TO SAY,
OKAY, HERE'S THE JUSTIFICATION, HERE'S THE STUDY, AND GO TO THE FAA LIKE THEY DID ON THE ON THE APPROACHES. 
          THAT, AGAIN, WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN POSSIBLE FOR MOST AIRCRAFTS IF WE HADN'T EXTENDED THE
RUNWAY. 
          SO EXTENDING THE RUNWAY DOESN'T MEAN BIGGER AIRCRAFT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A 75,000 POUND
WEIGHT LIMIT. 
          BUT EXTENDED RUNWAY WOULD MEAN SAFER CONDITIONS FOR AIR TRAFFIC TO GO OFF IN DIFFERENT
DIRECTIONS AND WOULD MAKE IT A MORE EFFICIENT AIRPORT. LASTLY, YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT MOVING THE FLIGHT SCHOOLS? WE'VE ALL DONE TOUCH AND GOES. THEY TAKE FOREVER. 
          I I'M HERE TODAY BECAUSE I THINK WE'RE A COMMUNITY AIRPORT. 
          I DON'T WANT US TO BECOME A MEGA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT. 
          I THINK WE'RE A COMMUNITY AIRPORT, BUT I YOU HAVE TO WONDER IF THIS COMMUNITY HASN'T
CHANGED DRASTICALLY OVER THE LAST 75 YEARS. 
          AND IF IF THERE REALLY SHOULD BE IN THIS LOCATION. 
          I SAY THAT WITH A SON WHO FLIES OUT 206 OUT OF THE AIRPORT. 
          BUT I, I REALLY BELIEVE THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE CAREFULLY EVALUATED. 
          I LOOK TO WHAT OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR ORIGINS WERE AND HOW IMPORTANT IT WAS,
BUT I IT WOULD BE SOMETHING I'D GIVE A FAIR HEARING TO MOVING THE FLIGHT SCHOOLS. YES. YES. TO IMMOKALEE. I WOULDN'T COMMIT TO WHERE THEY WOULD GO OR HOW
THAT WOULD BE HAPPENED, BUT I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAS TO BE GIVEN A FAIR HEARING. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU CRAMER. JOHN,
IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU, BROTHER. 
          ONE QUESTION AND SOMETHING THAT CAME UP WHEN YOU AND I WERE TALKING LAST WEEK ABOUT
NETJETS PROPOSAL TO KIND OF CREATE A. 
          A HUB HERE. IS THAT A FAIR WAY TO PUT IT? YEAH. 
          EXCLUSIVE HUB? YEAH. AND WHICH IS KIND OF JOLTING TO A LOT OF FOLKS. 
          TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THAT. WELL, YOU KNOW,
ALL DAY LONG YOU'LL HEAR THE AIRPORT NOISE AND CAPACITY ACT 
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PROHIBITS ACCESS RESTRICTIONS, YOU KNOW, AND VARIOUS LONG LIST OF THINGS. 
          AND IT DOES, BUT THE AIRPORT ACCESS AND CAPACITY ACT DOESN'T SAY YOU HAVE TO FACILITATE
PRIVATE USE OR A EXCLUSIVE USE BY THE THE NUMBER ONE FRACTIONAL IN THE COUNTRY. 
          MY CONCERNS ARE WE ALL UNDERSTAND WHAT DELTA IS. 
          IT'S A HUB FOR DELTA. I LOOKED UP NETJETS, AND THEY HAVE EXCLUSIVE TERMINALS IN LAS VEGAS
AND LOS ANGELES AND NOW PHOENIX AND OTHER HIGH END AREAS. THEY ADVERTISE. COME TO VISIT US IN THESE AREAS AND COME AND
LEAVE OUT OF OUR EXCLUSIVE TERMINAL. 
          I THINK THAT'S FAIR GAME. THEY'RE IN A BUSINESS THAT'S ARE WELL RUN. THEY'VE DONE A
BEAUTIFUL JOB OVER THE LAST HOW MANY YEARS. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT FACILITATING THAT EXCLUSIVE TERMINAL IS IN THE BEST INTEREST OF ALL
THE PEOPLE AT THE AIRPORT. 
          I DO KNOW THIS, THAT WHEN I WAS CHAIR OF THE AIRPORT,
NETJETS CAME TO US AND SAID WE WANT A BETTER FUEL RATE. 
          AND THE SENIOR LEADERSHIP OF THE NRA AND I MET,
MET AND I SAID, WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE NETJETS A BETTER FUEL RATE THAN WE GIVE OUR BASE OPERATORS. THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE PAY TAXES AND OUR COMMUNITY,
PEOPLE WHO THE AIRPORT WAS BUILT FOR. 
          I MEAN, THIS IS PHENOMENON OF CHARTERS IS ONE THING,
BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO GIVE THEM A BETTER RATE. 
          WELL, THEY THREW A FIT AND SAID, OKAY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BUY GAS FROM YOU ANYMORE. 
          AND SENIOR LEADERSHIP AND I SAT DOWN AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO BUY GAS FROM US ANYMORE. 
          CHARGE THEM A FEE. WE HAVEN'T CHARGED THEM A RAMP FEE BECAUSE THEY WERE OUR LARGEST GAS
PURCHASER. 
          SO FOR TWO MONTHS UNTIL SOME BEAN COUNTER IN THE CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS FIGURED IT OUT,
WE CHARGE THEM A RAMP FEE. 
          AND THEY CAME BACK HAT IN HAND AND SAID, LOOK,
YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A MISTAKE. 
          WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE STRONG ARMED YOU,
AND WE WANT TO GO BACK TO OUR OLD DEAL. 
          I KNOW HOW TO DEAL WITH NETJETS. I AM CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD DO FOR SLOTS. 
          WHEN I FLY INTO VAIL OR ASPEN, THE 1 OR 2 TIMES A YEAR I DO THAT. 
          IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO GET A SLOT. AND IT'S ONLY FOR ONE REASON,
BECAUSE NETJETS AND FLEX JETS AND ALL THE OTHER FRACTIONALS HAVE FULL TIME PEOPLE ON THE COMPUTERS, LOCKING DOWN SLOTS AS QUICK AS THEY CAN. 
          SO WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE OPERATORS THAT ARE OUT OF NORWAY AND IT'S LEGAL. 
          THEY CAN DO IT. I DON'T HAVE A SLOT. SECRETARY,
I DON'T HAVE A SOMEONE, YOU KNOW, SELLING ME COMPUTER SLOTS. 
          SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. HOW HOW DOES THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE OVERALL MUSCLE AND
FOCUS OF ONE. 
          NO. WE CAN'T STOP THEM FROM FLYING IN HERE. THE NCAA,
I MEAN, THE AIRPORT NOISE AND CAPACITY ACT CONTROLS THAT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO CADDIE FOR THEM, AND WE DON'T HAVE TO FACILITATE FOR THEM. 
          WE HAVEN'T EVEN GOT TO THE DISCUSSION AROUND WHAT THEY WANT TO GIVE US MONEY. 
          THEY WANT FUEL RIGHTS. SO THEY WILL BE TAKING OUR LARGEST FUEL BUYER WHO HELPS THE AIRPORT
BE FINANCIALLY SUSTAINABLE AND GIVING THEM A FUEL TANK THAT ALLOWS THEM TO. WHAT? WE DO HAVE A FLIGHT THAT IS LANDING SOMEWHERE NEARBY,
EAST COAST NEARBY. 
          THEY NEED A PLACE TO GO. WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GO WITH THAT PLANE WHEN THEY HAVE TO SIT
FOR THE NEXT ASSIGNMENT? THEY'RE GOING TO LEAVE IT IN MIAMI. 
          WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO BRING IT? HERE, WHERE THEY CAN HAVE NO RAMP FEES AND CHEAP FUEL. 
          THOSE ARE THE CONCERNS I HAVE TO TELL YOU. THAT'S MY OVERRIDING CONCERN. 
          THAT'S MY I THINK WHAT YOU SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT. 
          I THINK THAT THE NEA SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT. 
          I HAVEN'T TALKED TO THE PEOPLE AT NETJETS. I JUST HAVE A SENSE OF WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU
HAVE A MUSCULAR GROUP COMING IN WHAT THEY EXPECT, WHAT THEY DEMAND, AND THEN LONG TERM, WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF
IT? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CRISPIN, DO I HAVE YOU? OKAY. PETRANOFF. OH, YES. THANK YOU FOR APPLYING. 
          IN TERMS OF BUSINESSES AT, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU HAVE OUT OF THE AIRPORT,
CAN YOU DESCRIBE SOME OF YOUR LLCS AND AND AND THAT IS OUT AND AND ARE ANY OF THOSE INCENTED TO BUILD MORE VOLUME AS VOLUME
BUILDS. 
          DOES IT BENEFIT YOUR BUSINESS OR IS IT OR ARE THEY UNRELATED? YOU KNOW, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO OWNS MY HANGAR. 
          IT'S I THINK IT WAS A LEFTOVER LLC. THE HANGAR I HAVE IN CONJUNCTION WITH MY PARTNER. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY BUSINESSES AT THE AIRPORT. I,
WE HAVE WE LEASE OUR PLANES FROM AN LLC. 
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THE LLC OWNS IT. I CAN TELL YOU, AND THIS IS SOMETHING I'VE READ IN YOUR MINUTES. 
          I'VE LOOKED AT EVERY MINUTE OF THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE LAST YEAR,
AND THE CONCERNS ABOUT BUILDING NEW HANGARS AND NOT BUILDING NEW HANGARS, AND I SUSPECT AND I KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER HUTCHINSON SAID, GIVE ME THE FACTS,
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE DOES. 
          HE'S A GOOD NUMBERS GUY. I HAVEN'T USED MY PLANE IN 3 OR 4 WEEKS. 
          LEE ANDERSON HAS A GLOBAL 6000. SOMETIMES IT SITS THERE FOR 45 DAYS. 
          THE BEST TENANT YOU CAN HAVE AT THE AIRPORT IS A LOCAL RESIDENT WHO,
FOR WHATEVER REASON, THINKS IT MAKES GOOD ECONOMIC SENSE TO OWN HIS OWN PLANE. 
          THE BEST ECONOMIC THING I COULD DO IS GET A NETJETS CARD OR GET A FLEX CARD. 
          SO THE RESIDENTS THAT OWN THEIR HANGARS AREN'T THE ONES CONTRIBUTING TO THE TRAFFIC. 
          AND AND THE TRAFFIC GROWTH HERE. I MEAN, LET'S FACE IT,
IT'S 25,000 JETS IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS ISN'T COMING FROM YOUR LOCAL RESIDENTS WHO OWN THEIR OWN PLANES AND MAY HAVE A HANGAR AT THE AIRPORT. 
          IT'S COMING FROM THE FRACTIONALS. AND AND SO DO I HAVE ANY CONFLICTS? I OWN A HANGAR THERE. I'VE OWNED A HANGAR AT THE AIRPORT FOR 25 YEARS. 
          AM I DOING ANY BUSINESS OUT OF THAT HANGAR? NO. 
          DO I HAVE ANYBODY IN THE HANGAR OTHER THAN MY PARTNER AND I ON THE CONDO? NO. DO I INTEND TO GO INTO THE BUSINESS OF AIRCRAFT SALES AND MANAGEMENT? NO. SO I HAVE NO CONFLICTS. I MEAN, I'M HERE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S AT A CRITICAL JUNCTURE
FOR THIS AIRPORT. 
          I BELIEVE THAT IF I BECAME COMMISSIONER, THERE IS A REASONABLY GOOD CHANCE THAT WE'D STOP
THIS INITIATIVE THAT'S HAPPENING IN TALLAHASSEE. AND THAT LEADS ME TO MY SECOND QUESTION. 
          HAVE YOU CONTACTED HAVE YOU WORKED WITH THE STATE LEGISLATION TO PUSH THIS LEGISLATION
THAT THEY MIGHT BE PROPOSING FORWARD? HAVE I WORKED WITH THE STATE LEGISLATION? NO. 
          OR CONTACTED THEM? NO. THE ONLY TIME I'VE WORKED WITH ANYBODY OUT OF TALLAHASSEE WAS WHEN
I GOT THE GOVERNOR TO AGREE TO BUILD THE CUSTOMS TERMINAL. 
          OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NOW, IN FAIRNESS AND TRANSPARENCY,
HAVE I GIVEN ONE OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS SOME MONEY? YES. A LOT OF CONCERNS THAT WE WERE ABUSING AND MISUSING THE APPOINTMENT AUTHORITY THAT
THE CITY COUNCIL HAS LONG HELD. 
          HOW WOULD YOU THINK IS A FAIR WAY TO MAKE THESE APPOINTMENTS? RACK AND STACK OR WHAT? OH, I THINK YOU'RE QUITE RIGHT. 
          IT'S ON MY LIST OF POTENTIAL LIABILITIES YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE. 
          I'M NOT SO SURE. AND MATTHEW MCCONNELL HAS ONE OPINION. 
          I HAVE A DIFFERENT ONE. I THINK THAT IT WAS IN THE LAST APPOINTMENTS WERE IMPROPER,
AND THE RANKING SYSTEM IS OPEN TO GAMING. 
          AND AND I THINK YOU JUST HAVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHO THE BEST CANDIDATE IS. 
          THE GUY THAT JUST SAT HERE IS EXTRAORDINARY. I CAN SAY THAT HAVING WORKED WITH PROBABLY 35
ANY COMMISSIONERS, IT SEEMS TO ME ON SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT YOU'VE BEEN MAKING,
YOU'RE YOU'RE SORT OF TALKING AROUND PRIORITIZING SUB SEGMENTS OF, OF PEOPLE THAT ARE USING THE AIRPORT. AND AND I HAPPEN TO AGREE WITH THE PRIORITY OF,
YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A CODDLING OF PEOPLE THAT OWN THE PLANES THERE AND HANGARS AND,
AND AND HAVE THEIR PLANES THERE. 
          WITH LESS WITH A LOWER PRIORITY BEING TO FRACTIONALS THAT IT'S SORT OF THERE WAS A
PROLIFERATION OF IT IN COVID, AND IT WAS BUT THERE ARE PEOPLE IN TOWN THAT ARE USING IT,
INCLUDING SOME OF THE OTHER GROUPS THAT I MET WITH AT THE PORT ROYAL HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION WHO SAID, YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE A MILLIONAIRES VERSUS BILLIONAIRE BATTLE WHERE
THE BILLIONAIRES OWN THEIR JETS, THE MILLIONAIRES. HAVE HAVE GOTTEN USED TO AND KIND OF LIKE THIS FRACTIONAL SO THEY WOULD
LIKE TO SEE NO CONTROLS ON, ON THOSE. I WANT TO CALL MY WIFE TO MAKE SURE I'M NOT A BILLIONAIRE. 
          AND THEN THE THIRD PIECE IS SORT OF THE THAT I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IS SORT OF THE
ECONOMIC VALUE OF PEOPLE, OF PEOPLE TRAINING, THE TRAINING PROGRAMS THAT ARE CURRENTLY AT THE NAPLES AIRPORT. 
          AND CAN THEY MOVE, BE MOVED ELSEWHERE, WHERE TO LEARN HOW TO FLY MORE OVER THE EVERGLADES
VERSUS OVER THE COMMUNITY. 
          WELL, THAT WAS A LONG QUESTION. SO WHAT WAS THE FIRST ONE? THE QUESTION WAS YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU IN YOUR MIND? ARE YOU YOU'VE I THINK THAT WHAT I'VE HEARD IS THAT YOU ARE SORT OF,
YOU KNOW, TALKING ABOUT PRIORITIZING USERS ONE OVER THE OTHER WHERE YOU CAN. 
          LET'S TAKE THAT ONE AT A TIME. FIRST OFF, WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING THAT WILL VIOLATE
ASSURANCES THAT WE HAVE MADE ABOUT EXCLUSIVITY OR DISCRIMINATION AGAINST ANY USER, AGAINST THE OTHER ONE. 
          I THINK WE ARE OVERRIDING MY OPINION IS WE ARE A COMMUNITY AIRPORT. 
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WE ARE FOUNDED TO SERVE ALL OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          IT WOULD BE MY MY PERSONAL PREFERENCE THAT COMMUNITY INTEREST AND COMMUNITY BUSINESSES
WOULD GET A FAIR HEARING FROM THE AIRPORT AND THE CITY COUNCIL. I DO KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE JET CARDS AND LIVE
HERE AND COME HERE ON A JET CAR ARE STILL RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF NAPLES AND,
AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED ON THAT. 
          AND SO, I MEAN, WE ARE RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, A VICTIM OF OUR OWN SUCCESS. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S 170 CRANE PERMITS OUT IN THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW. 
          ANY DIDN'T ISSUE ANY OF THOSE. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT ISSUING ANY BUILDING PERMITS. 
          PEOPLE ARE COMING HERE. BUT I GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID EARLIER. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO FACILITATE A JET, THE LARGEST IN THE COUNTRY,
EXCLUSIVE TERMINAL THAT'S GOING TO ADVERTISE MORE ABOUT IT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT I LIKE TO SEE MORE ACCOMMODATION OF LOCAL USERS
AND AND CITIZENS. 
          YES. AS LONG AS IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A VIOLATIVE OF STATE OR FEDERAL LAW. 
          ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. CRISPIN. SHAUN. THANK YOU FOR APPLYING. 
          SEVERAL OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED BY BY YOU VIA QUESTIONS FROM OTHER COUNCIL
MEMBERS. 
          I DID WANT TO JUST DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT ON THE ISSUE OF FAA CONTROL OVER THE AIRPORT. 
          AND BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE AS A PAST COMMISSIONER,
WHAT THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE FOR THE AIRPORT, PRESUMABLY WORKING HAND IN HAND WITH COUNCIL TO SEEK AGREEMENT FROM THE FAA
TO JUST AS WE BEGAN STAGE ONE AND TWO JETS MANY,
MANY YEARS AGO TO DO THINGS LIKE BANNING STAGE THREE JETS OR MAKING THE VOLUNTARY CURFEW MANDATORY OR AND OR PROVING SOME KIND OF A METERING STRATEGY. 
          DO YOU THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD AND COULD BE PURSUED? IT WILL TAKE NOT JUST MONTHS, BUT YEARS, BUT COULD PRODUCE SOME RESULTS. 
          LET'S START WITH THE VOLUNTEER CURFEW. I THINK THAT IS GOING TO BE A HEAVY LIFT. 
          THAT SAID, I'M MY ENTIRE TENURE WITH THE AIRPORT. 
          I JUST SAW AN INCREASING LEVEL OF OF COMPLIANCE WITH THAT. 
          AND THE PEOPLE WHO WEREN'T COMPLIANT WERE, GENERALLY SPEAKING,
GENERALLY SPEAKING, ARE NOT COMPLIANT BECAUSE OF WEATHER ISSUES OR TRAVEL ISSUES THAT GOT INTERRUPTED. BUT I FIND THAT THE CITY OF NAPLES RESIDENTS ARE HIGHLY COMPLIANT. 
          I RECALL GETTING A CALL AT 1030 AT NIGHT FROM JACK DONAHUE,
WHO EVERYBODY REMEMBERS THE LEGENDARY JACK DONAHUE. 
          AND HE SAID, OH, JOHN, I'M GOING TO HAVE TO BREAK THE CURFEW TODAY. 
          WE'RE SNOWED IN IN CINCINNATI AND HE SAYS, I,
I DON'T WANT TO GET IN TROUBLE FOR THIS OR, YOU KNOW, WILL THE POLICE OFFICERS BE I MEAN,
PEOPLE GENERALLY ARE THINKING ABOUT IT. 
          I'M THINKING ABOUT IT. I MEAN, I DON'T SCHEDULE TRIPS TO ANYWHERE BEFORE 7:00 IN THE
MORNING, AND I DON'T TRY TO COME IN UNLESS IT'S A WEATHER ISSUE. 
          I THINK THE NAPLES, I MEAN, THE NOISE AIRPORT NOISE AND CAPACITY ACT HAS NOT GRANTED ANY
OF THESE CHANGES SINCE 1990, SO I THINK IT'S A HEAVY LIFT ON THE CURFEW. 
          I THINK THE STAGE THREE IS DIFFERENT. WE'VE GOT A WORKING HISTORY WITH THE FAA. 
          I MEAN, WE WE WENT TO WAR WITH THEM IN THE EARLY 2000,
LATE 90S. 
          AND I DON'T SUGGEST THAT WE GO TO WAR AGAIN. I DON'T WANT TO BECOME A HAMPTONS AND SPEND
$10 MILLION FIGHTING SOMETHING THAT NEVER RESULTED IN ANYTHING. 
          BUT I DO THINK IF WE START AN INITIATIVE, OTHER AIRPORTS ARE GOING TO START TO SAY OTHER
NOISE SENSITIVE COMMUNITIES ARE GOING TO SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? LET'S JOIN IN ON THAT. AND THEN AT THAT POINT IN TIME,
YOU KNOW, ONE STRONG AIRPORT CAN MAKE A MAJORITY. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GO AT IT. DO I WANT TO TRY IT I THINK SO. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO DO, JUST AS I THINK WE SHOULD START. 
          CONVERSATIONS ABOUT SPACING AND SLOTS ON OUR VERY BUSIEST WAS AN OPPORTUNITY THERE. 
          I DO THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY THERE, AND I AND I THINK THAT WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE
TO HAVE A ONE 60 ONE ON OUR BUSIEST DAYS. 
          IF WE HAVE TIGHT RAMP SPACE, WE SHOULD BE CALLING THE TOWER AT FORT MYERS AND SAYING WE'RE
LOW ON RAMP SPACE. 
          IT'S GETTING CONGESTED, IT'S UNSAFE. AND THAT'S AND THAT'S THE TRUTH. 
          I MEAN, WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR BUSIEST DAYS AT THIS AIRPORT,
THAT'S A RELIEF YOU SHOULD BE CALLING FOR. 
          AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, OUR NEA SENIOR LEADERSHIP WOULD DO THAT. 
          YEAH. THE CURFEW IS A FUNNY THING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW,
I MENTIONED I'M ON THE FLIGHT PATH AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT STARTING IN NOVEMBER AND 
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CONTINUING THROUGH SEASON, I WILL HEAR A PLANE AND USUALLY SEVERAL PLANES OVER MY HOUSE
BETWEEN 5 AND 7 A.M. 
          AT THE SAME TIME. COMPLIANCE. IF YOU BELIEVE THE FAA AND I DON'T HAVE ANY REASON NOT TO,
IS 98.2% OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT VERY HIGH NUMBER. SO BUT WHEN YOU YOU KNOW, WHAT WHAT PEOPLE REACT TO IS NOT PEOPLE WHO ARE
COMPLYING. 
          IT'S TO THE HANDFUL OF PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT TELL YOU COUNCIL MEMBER WHAT MY CONCERN IS,
IT'S A VOLUNTARY CURFEW. 
          AND IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO GET ANGRY AND HIRE FAA ATTORNEY AND SAY,
I'M TAKING THE NRA TO COURT, THEY ARE UNJUSTLY AND ILLEGALLY RESTRICTING MY TRAVEL,
THEN WE MAY FIND THAT THE FAA COMES IN AND SAYS, YOU CAN'T HAVE ANYTHING. YEAH, I THINK WE'RE BETTER OFF DOING THAT. 
          I, I HOPE THAT I DON'T GET THAT NOISE WHERE I'M AT. 
          I DON'T SEE IT EARLY IN THE MORNING WHEN I'M AT THE COFFEY GROUP,
BUT I KNOW IT HAPPENS AND I HOPED THAT IT HAD BEEN CLEANED UP SOME. 
          OH, I THINK, I THINK I THINK IT HAS. I THINK THE IMPROVEMENT IN WITH THE VOLUNTARY CURFEW
IS OVER, OVER TIME HAS BEEN TREMENDOUS. AND I'M JUST POINTING OUT THAT VIOLATIONS DO OCCUR FOR
WHATEVER REASONS AND WHEN, WHEN AND AND AND THEY'RE NOTICEABLE. RIGHT. BECAUSE OF WHEN THEY OCCUR. 
          RIGHT. AND AND YOU KNOW, I HAVE IN MY LEASE A CURFEW LANGUAGE THAT WAS PUT INTO THE LEASE. 
          YOU KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT AND I COULD HAVE DONE IT,
I COULD HAVE OBJECTED TO IT AND IT WOULD HAVE TO BE REMOVED, PROBABLY BY THE FAA, AS AN INTIMIDATION. I APPLAUD US FOR DOING IT. WE SHOULD BE DOING THAT. 
          I THINK THE NEA, IF THEY CAN'T TRY TO GET BETTER EVERY DAY,
I THINK THEY HAVE TO. 
          I THINK TECHNOLOGY AND ENGINES IS GOING TO HELP US MORE THAN ANYTHING. 
          EVERYTHING ELSE IS LOW HANGING FRUIT OTHER THAN MAYBE 1432. 
          YEAH, BUT YOU MAKE A GOOD POINT. SOMETIMES WHEN YOU PUSH THE ENVELOPE TOO MUCH,
YOU BE CAREFUL WITH WHAT YOU DO. 
          THAT'S MY CONCERN. YEAH, THAT'S MY CONCERN. I UNDERSTAND THAT THINKING. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE. MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? VICE MAYOR. OH, BOY. JOHN,
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          IT'S ALWAYS GOOD. WHEN I SAW YOUR NAME ON THE LIST,
I WAS VERY PLEASED THAT YOU WERE INTERESTED IN THIS KIND OF A ROLE. 
          THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT YOUR EXPERIENCE IN THE PAST AND SERVING IN THIS CAPACITY. 
          SO I'M. I REALLY ONLY HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU. 
          AND AS I DO, I WANT TO LAY A LITTLE BIT OF GROUNDWORK AND GIVE YOU SOMETHING TO THINK
ABOUT AS YOU PREPARE YOUR ANSWER. RECENT EVENTS AT THE NAPLES MUNICIPAL AIRPORT SHOW SAFETY INCIDENTS ARE ON THE RISE. THIS IS A CORRELATION TO THE ESCALATION OF AIRPORT
FLIGHT OPERATIONS, IN MY OPINION. SO WHAT KIND OF INCIDENTS HAVE BEEN SHOWING UP AND CAUSING CONCERN? WELL, FIRST IS THE AIRCRAFT CRASH. CRASH RESULTING IN FATALITIES ON FEBRUARY 9TH,
2024. 
          THIS WAS ADDRESSED WITH MR. ALBERTO. OKAY. NEXT. 
          ON OCTOBER 16TH. SO RECENTLY FOLLOWING A RESIDENT TIP CONCERNING NARCOTICS BEING
TRANSPORTED ON AN INCOMING FLIGHT, AN ARREST WAS MADE. SO NOW WE'RE AWARE THAT IF UNLESS IT'S A ONE OFF. 
          AND IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT. 
          BUT NOW PEOPLE ARE AWARE THAT INCOMING AIRCRAFT CAN BE USED TO TRAFFIC DRUGS. 
          THIS IMPACTS COMMUNITY SAFETY, ESPECIALLY IF THIS PROBLEM INCREASES. 
          FINALLY, WE KNOW OF TWO INCIDENTS IN WHICH INDIVIDUALS WRECKED THEIR AIRCRAFT ON AIRPORT
PROPERTY DUE TO CIRCUMSTANCES CONTRIBUTING TO THE PILOTS LOSING CONTROL, AND FOLLOWING THESE ACCIDENTS,
PILOTS ARE PROVIDED EASY, UNFETTERED ACCESS TO DEPARTURE FROM THE AIRPORT WITHOUT BEING PROCESSED IN A MANNER WHICH BEST PROTECTS THE PUBLIC. 
          SO IF YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL IN BEING APPOINTED AS AN AA COMMISSIONER AGAIN,
WHAT ACTIONS WOULD YOU SUGGEST TO ENSURE THE COMMUNITY IS NOT FURTHER COMPROMISED BY ONE, THE VERY EASY ACCESS TO AIRCRAFT AT ALL HOURS OF THE
DAY, AND TWO, TO SEND A MESSAGE TO BAD ACTORS THAT WE ARE NOT GOING TO ALLOW OUR AIRPORT TO
BECOME A HUB FOR DRUG TRAFFICKING. 
          OKAY, THAT'S A LOADED QUESTION. I WILL RESPOND LIKE THIS IF THEY FOUND DRUGS 
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IN A CAR IN FRONT OF A 7-ELEVEN IN NAPLES, WOULD WE CLOSE THE 7-ELEVEN DOWN? AND IS THAT THE 7-ELEVEN FAULT? THERE IS ONLY ONE INCIDENT. 
          HE WAS A NAPLES RESIDENT. I DON'T THINK ANYTHING THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY DID,
ENCOURAGED OR PROMOTED HIS TRANSPORTATION OF DRUGS. 
          IS HE THE ONLY TIME THAT'S EVER HAPPENED? I DOUBT IT,
BUT I SUSPECT ON ANY GIVEN DAY AND ANY BUSINESS IN TOWN, YOU COULD FIND A CAR PARK THAT PROBABLY HAS DRUGS IN IT. 
          I THINK THE EVENING ACCESS TO AIRPORT. I'M NOT SURE. 
          CURRENTLY. TERRY. WHAT? THE EVENING SECURITY DETAIL IS AT THE AIRPORT. 
          I THINK IT'S 2 OR 3 WAS 2 OR 3 PEOPLE WHEN I WAS THERE. 
          YOU MIGHT NEED INCREASE THAT. THAT WOULD BE ONE THING THAT WE COULD CONSIDER,
BUT LET'S LET'S BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT HASN'T HAPPENED AT THE CUSTOMS OFFICE IS THAT THERE HAVEN'T BEEN DRUG LORDS COMING INTO NAPLES TO DROP OFF DRUGS. 
          98% OF THE PEOPLE WHO USE THE CUSTOMS OFFICE AT THE AIRPORT ARE RESIDENTS AND ARE STAYING
HERE. 
          ONLY 2% OF THOSE LEAVE. I MEAN, NAPLES IS A MICROCOSM OF THE WORLD AND THE AND THE UNITED
STATES. 
          WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF INDIVIDUAL WHO HAS A PLANE AND WANTS TO USE DRUGS. 
          I WON'T EVEN BRING A CIGAR BACK FROM THE BAHAMAS. 
          I FEAR WHAT THE CUSTOMS OFFICERS WILL DO ME. SO I DON'T THINK IT'S A I DON'T THINK THAT
INCIDENT IS REFLECTIVE OF THE TRAFFIC THAT'S COMING IN AND OUT OF THIS AIRPORT. 
          I THINK THE I THINK THAT THE PEOPLE AT THE CUSTOMS OFFICE DO AN EXCELLENT JOB. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW, SHORT OF I DON'T KNOW WHY AN ACCIDENT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN REPORTED OR HOW
SOMEBODY COULD CLEAR AN ACCIDENT AND NOT REPORT. 
          I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT. I HAVEN'T HEARD ABOUT THAT. 
          THAT'S A LITTLE GRANULAR FOR ME. I READ THIS AND ANOTHER WHOLE BOOK OF IT. 
          I LOOK INTO IT, BUT SECURITY IS ALWAYS IMPORTANT AT THE AIRPORT. 
          A LOT OF MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT ON SECURITY, AND I WOULD I WOULD CONTINUE TO BELIEVE THAT WE
SHOULD CONTINUE TO. 
          AND MAYBE IF WE HAD MORE NIGHTTIME SECURITY,
WE'D HAVE FEWER PLANES TAKING OFF AND LANDING. 
          WELL, THANK YOU, JOHN. AND THE THE INCIDENT AROUND THE DRUGS. 
          AND I'M TAKING THIS FROM THE REPORTS. THE POLICE REPORTS. 
          IT DID COME IN ON AN AIRPLANE. AND THE ACCIDENTS. 
          MY ONLY ASK IS THAT, AGAIN, IF YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL,
JUST CONSIDER THESE TWO ACCIDENTS AND HOW APPARENTLY. SEE IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE THE SAFETY RELATED ASPECTS OF IT. 
          IF THESE PLANES HAVE TAKEN OFF, THERE'S DETAILS ASSOCIATED. 
          I DON'T WANT TO GET CAUGHT UP IN ALL THAT, BUT JUST IDENTIFY IF THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR
IMPROVEMENT. 
          I'LL KNOW BY THIS AFTERNOON WHAT THOSE ACCIDENTS QUESTIONS WERE,
BUT I DON'T KNOW NOW. 
          NO WORRIES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU. JOHN, WE GO WAY BACK. MR. ALLEN. WE HAD A VERY LONG CONVERSATION THE OTHER DAY, BUT FOR TRANSPARENCY YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE
UTILIZATION PLAN? YES, I AM. AND THAT PLAN CONTROLS THE AMOUNT OF HANGARS. 
          DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ON THE UTILIZATION PLAN? AND. THERE IS NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT THE CITY COUNCIL CONTROLS THE ZONING AND LAND USE
USE RELATIVE TO THE AIRPORT, UNLESS IT'S SUPERSEDED BY STATE OR FEDERAL LAW. 
          YOU'VE KNOWN ABOUT THE GROWTH THAT'S BEEN OUR BIGGEST DEBATE IS HOW DO YOU KEEP THE
FREQUENCY FROM HAPPENING? AND UNLESS YOU DISAGREE THE FREQUENCY HAS CONTINUED TO HAPPEN. 
          I BELIEVE THAT IT'S BECAUSE OF FRACTIONALS AND THE AMOUNT OF LEASES THAT WE HAVE ALLOWED
TO HAPPEN AND THE SPACE THAT WE HAVE GIVEN THESE FRACTIONALS BECAUSE IT'S VERY INTRIGUING AND IT'S A
IT'S AN INCENTIVE, I THINK TO BRING THESE FRACTIONALS HERE. WHAT'S YOUR OPINION? I THINK YOUR STATEMENTS ARE ACCURATE. THE MAJORITY OF THE GROWTH IN JET TRAFFIC AT THE
NAPLES AIRPORT IN THE LAST. 
          WELL, SINCE 2020 I BELIEVE IS FRACTIONAL TRAFFIC. 
          I DON'T BELIEVE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE 25,000 EXTRA JETS COMING IN BECAUSE A COMMUNITY OF
25,000 NAPLES, 
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PLUS THE GREATER COLLIER COMMUNITY, THAT THAT MANY MORE PEOPLE BOUGHT THEIR OWN PERSONAL
JET. 
          IT'S FRACTIONAL. AND THE WHAT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT IS THE,
THE, THE FEDERAL NOISE AND CAPACITY ACT CONTROLS ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO THERE, WHETHER WE STOP TAKING GRANTS TODAY AND DON'T TAKE ANOTHER ONE FROM
20 YEARS. 
          THIS AIRPORT OPERATES AS AN AIRPORT. YOU WILL BE YOU WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
CONDITIONS OF THE NOISE AND CAPACITY. 
          ACT IRREGARDLESS IF YOU DON'T TAKE ANY MONEY AND YOU WILL NOT HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO ANY
REVENUE DIVERSION OR COMMIT ANY CIVIL DISCRIMINATIONS. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DO THERE OTHER THAN SOME OF THE THINGS I'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT. 
          WE ARE A HOT SPOT FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COME TO THIS AREA THAT WE HAVE A FINITE CAPACITY. 
          I THINK WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE MANAGE THAT FINITE CAPACITY. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT FIGHTING WITH ONE ANOTHER. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT THREATENING TO CLOSE THE AIRPORT OR MOVE THE AIRPORT. 
          WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT IF BOTH PARTIES INSIST ON BEING BELLIGERENT. 
          IT'S NOT. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THE NEA HAS BEEN,
BUT LET'S NOT DO THAT. 
          AND THIS HAS WORKED REALLY, REALLY WELL FOR ALMOST 60 YEARS. 
          LET'S NOT COME TO A JUNCTURE WHERE THIS STOPS WORKING WELL AND THAT WE LOSE AND CONCEDE
CONTROL TO ELECTIONS AND TO COUNTY MEMBERS I'M JUST NOT OVERLY SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. BUT FOR THE FACT THAT I THINK WE HAVE MISUSED THE
APPOINTMENT AUTHORITY, MAKE THIS AN OPPORTUNITY TO PUT SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE INDEPENDENT AND IMPARTIAL ON THAT
BOARD. 
          DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ME, BUT LET'S PICK INDEPENDENT AND IMPARTIAL COMMISSIONERS TO SEE IF WE
CAN'T MAKE THE SCALE EVEN AND HAVE. THEN INTELLIGENT PEOPLE ARE MORE INTELLIGENT THAN MOST OF OUR CONGRESSMEN IN THE
UNITED STATES CONGRESS. 
          WHY CAN'T WE FIGURE THIS OUT? IT'S. AND IF YOU WANT A SILVER BULLET,
I DON'T HAVE IT. 
          THE SILVER BULLET ISN'T GOING TO BE DOING SOMETHING ILLEGAL OR INCONSISTENT OR TAKING ON A
FIGHT WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 
          NEW HAMPTON'S TRIED. THAT DIDN'T WORK VERY WELL. 
          IT'S NOT GOING TO BE GOING TO THEM AND SAYING,
YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO HAVE THIS. 
          THE PROBABILITY OF THAT OTHER THAN THE STAGE THREE IS PROBABLY PRETTY LOW. THEY'RE NOT
GOING TO GIVE NAPLES, FLORIDA, A UNLIMITED CURFEW. LET'S JUST CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE I DON'T THINK IT'S THE
PEOPLE HERE THAT ARE WAKING YOU UP THAT LIVE HERE. 
          SO I THINK YOU HAVE TO BE MINDFUL OF WHAT WE HAVE AS THE ABILITY TO DO AND WHAT IS JUST
NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          AND LET'S STOP FIGHTING ABOUT THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN,
YOU KNOW. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO WORK WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. IT'S BEEN FOUR YEARS SINCE
IAN. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU'RE STILL WORKING ON THE PIER. IT'S NOT BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO GET IT
DONE. 
          IT'S NOT BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T DESIGNED IT. IT'S THE FEMA AND IT'S THE ARMY CORPS OF
ENGINEERS. 
          THEY ARE AS POWERFUL AS GOD. PROBABLY MORE. AND SO IS THE FAA. 
          THANK YOU. SO IS THE NA RESPONSIBLE FOR THE COMMISSIONERS THEMSELVES,
FOR THE LEASES AND THE AGREEMENTS MADE AT THE NAPLES MUNICIPAL AIRPORT UNDER THE UNDER THE STATE LEGISLATION. 
          THEY ARE. AND DO YOU THINK THAT IT'S WISE THAT THE COMMISSIONERS WOULD GIVE THEIR
AUTHORITY FOR THESE LEASES AND AGREEMENTS TO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR? IN MY MEMORY AND RECALL IS THAT HE COULD NOT
SIGN A LEASE UNLESS IT WAS APPROVED BY THE FULL BOARD OF THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY. 
          I THINK THAT'S STILL THE SAME, BUT NEGOTIATING AND GIVING THESE DEALS. 
          I GET THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS USED YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU CAN NEGOTIATE YOUR FUEL,
YOU CAN NEGOTIATE YOUR LEASE, YOUR COST. TO ME, THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE ISSUES IN RUNNING THE AIRPORT. 
          ANYTHING THAT MATERIALLY IMPACTS THE OPERATION OF SOMETHING I RUN,
I WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN. 
          I WOULDN'T DELEGATE TO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR UNMITIGATED AUTHORITY TO DO ANYTHING AT THE
AIRPORT. 
          I MEAN, I LOCKED HORNS WITH TED SOLLIDAY AND ON ON A MATTER ONCE. 
          AND IT ACTUALLY WAS ABOUT THE. I SAID I WANTED TO HAVE COMPETITIVE BIDDING AT THE AIRPORT. 
          AND HE HE FOUGHT ME ON IT AND I SAID, YOU CAN FIGHT ME ON IT,
BUT I'LL GET A NEW EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, I GUARANTEE YOU THAT, OR WE'LL COMPETITIVELY BID AND WE COMPETITIVELY BID. 
          HE DID NOT WANT TO BUILD THE POND AT THE END OF THE NORTH ROAD. 
          THAT WAS SO USEFUL AND HELPFUL. ON TOP OF ALL THE OTHER WATER QUALITY INVESTMENTS WE MADE, 
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I WANTED A FILTRATION POND PAST NORTH ROAD BEFORE IT WENT INTO THE GORDON RIVER TO CLEAN
ALL THE WATER FROM THE INDUSTRIAL PARK AND AIRPORT ROAD, AND TED DIDN'T WANT TO EXPEND THE MONEY. AND I SAID,
YOU KNOW, TED, WE TAKE THIS TO THE BOARD, YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE IT. SO JUST GIVE ME WHAT I WANT. 
          AND AND WE BUILT THE POND THAT HAS, I THINK,
HAD WON AN AWARD FROM THE CONSERVANCY. 
          AND SO WHAT DO I THINK? I THINK THAT NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY IS THERE TO OVERSEE AND
GOVERN. 
          THEY HIRE AND FIRE ONE PERSON. I THINK CHRIS RODZINSKI HAS DONE A VERY GOOD JOB. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT A SUPERVISION HAS BEEN. I THINK THE LAST TWO PEOPLE THAT JUST STEPPED
OFF THE OR ARE STEPPING OFF APPEARED TO BE VERY, VERY GOOD. COMMISSIONERS I HAVE QUESTIONS AND RESERVATIONS ABOUT THE INDEPENDENCE AND
IMPARTIALITY OF THE MOST RECENT TWO APPOINTEES, BUT I CAN GUARANTEE YOU I WILL BE INVOLVED IN DECISION MAKING THAT AFFECTS NOISE SAFETY
OPERATIONS AT THE AIRPORT. 
          BANNING STAGE THREE JETS IS A GREAT IDEA. HOWEVER,
THERE WASN'T ONE CONGRESSIONAL MEMBER THAT WAS INTERESTED IN IT, INCLUDING THE POTENTIAL FUTURE GOVERNOR. YEAH,
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO THEY'RE NOT GOING TO CONSENT TO THAT UNLESS YOU BRING THE INFORMATION OUT. NAPLES, CITY OF NAPLES WOULD WASTE MONEY. 
          WE WERE JUST DOING THAT ON OUR OWN. BUT IF WE START THE CONVERSATION,
WE TRY TO GET OTHER PEOPLE TO. 
          IT HAPPENED BEFORE. IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN. DON'T TELL ME THIS IS AN UNPRECEDENTED
UNDERTAKING. 
          WE DID IT WITH STAGE ONE AND TWO, AND SO IT JUST HAS TO BE EXECUTED APPROPRIATELY. 
          IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING THAT THEY THEY SAY, WELL,
WE'RE THE LEADERS ON THIS THING AND AND IS IT PROBABLE? I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S PROBABLE, BUT IT'S WORTH THE EFFORT. 
          BUT YOU WENT TO THE FAA. THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY INITIATED THAT,
FILED A LAWSUIT THAT WE GOT SUED BY THE FAA. 
          WE STUCK TO OUR GUNS AND AND ULTIMATELY AND ACHIEVED WHAT WE WANTED TO ACHIEVE. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, BY THEN, MOST OF THE STAGE ONES AND TWOS WERE NOT BEING USED ANYMORE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THE STAGE THREES WERE LOOKED UPON AS,
YOU KNOW A BONUS AND A BENEFIT. 
          THE STAGE FOURS AND FIVES RIGHT NOW. AND AS RALPH HAD SUGGESTED,
THE NEW THINGS COMING IN WILL HELP US SOME ON THIS, BUT IT'S NOT GOING TO TAKE US ALL THE WAY. EVERY,
EVERY SOUND ATTENUATION AND NOISE MITIGATION MOVE WE MAKE WILL HAVE INCREMENTAL IMPACT, BUT NOTHING'S GOING TO STOP THE 50,000 JETS TAKING OFF AND LANDING. 
          YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO WORK TOWARDS. WE HAVE TO WORK TOWARDS,
YOU KNOW, WE'RE SURROUNDED BY BAD OPTIONS. WHAT ARE THE BEST GOOD OPTIONS WE GOT? SO WERE YOU HERE IN NAPLES WHEN THE FLIGHTS WENT DOWN THE BAY? NO. BUT YOU'RE AWARE OF THE FLIGHTS THAT USED TO GO DOWN THE BAY? NO. OKAY. I THINK THAT PRECEDED THE NOISE STUDY ACT FROM THE LATE 90S. 
          OKAY. AND THEN SECURITY AT THE AIRPORT, DO WE HAVE A CUSTOMS OFFICE? FULL TIME AT THE AIRPORT. WE HAVE A CUSTOMS OFFICE THAT OPERATES FROM 10:00 TO 7:00. 
          AND CLEAR CUSTOMS OF 98% ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING HERE,
2% ARE THOSE THAT ARE NOT. 
          SO I SEE IT AS I'M VERY PROUD OF THE CUSTOMS OFFICE. 
          I HAD TO FIGHT WITH CHARLIE CRIST OVER IT TO GET IT APPROVED. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT IT SERVES MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY WERE BEING LOCKED UP
AND DELAYED IN OPA LOCKA AND MIAMI, OR WHEREVER ELSE, FOR HOURS ON END. IT'S ALSO BEEN A SELF-SUSTAINING CUSTOM OFFICE. 
          WE ARE AT THE POINT THAT IT PRODUCES REVENUE. 
          THAT WOULD NOT HAVE COME HERE OTHERWISE. I MEAN,
I CAN COME INTO THE CUSTOMS OFFICE, I COME HERE EMPTY, AND I'VE GOT TO BUY FUEL OR PUT FUEL ON THE PLANE,
AND SO DO A LOT OF THE OTHER USERS THAT USE IT THAT WAY. 
          SO THEY'RE GOING TO COME HERE ANYWAY. THEY MIGHT AS WELL COME HERE WITH A TANK THAT NEEDS
SOME FUEL, THAT THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY CAN GENERATE SOME INCOME ON AND GO TOWARDS ITS FEDERAL
ASSURANCE OF FINANCIAL SUSTAINABILITY. 
          DO THE FRACTIONALS HAVE TO GO THROUGH LIKE NETJETS? DO THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CUSTOMS OFFICE? THE FRACTIONALS, IF THEY'RE COMING IN FROM OUT OF THE COUNTRY AND HAVE AN OVERFLIGHT
PERMIT HAS TO GO TO THE CUSTOMS OFFICE. 
          SO, YEAH, SORRY. IF YOU'RE COMING IN FROM OUT OF THE COUNTRY,
YOU HAVE TO HAVE WHAT'S CALLED AN OVERFLIGHT PERMIT AT THE NAPLES AIRPORT. 
          I MEAN, YOU DON'T JUST BUY AN OVERFLIGHT PERMIT FOR EVERY AIRPORT IN THE WORLD. 
          YOU HAVE TO HAVE ONE THAT'S ISSUED BY WHATEVER THE FAA JURISDICTION IS FOR THIS AREA THAT
ALLOWS YOU TO COME. 
          BY WAY OF EXAMPLE, IF I COME IN FROM MARSH HARBOR,
BAHAMAS, I FLY IN HERE BECAUSE I HAVE AN OVERFLIGHT PERMIT TO COME TO THE NAPLES AIRPORT. 
          PREVIOUSLY, ANY SIMILARLY SITUATED PERSON WOULD HAVE TO LAND IN OPA-LOCKA OR FORT MYERS OR
MIAMI. 
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THAT'S NOT VERY FUN AND CLEAR. CUSTOMS. GOT IT. 
          I THINK YOU ANSWERED AGAIN. I WAS A FRIEND OF THE NAPLES AIRPORT. 
          ARE YOU A MEMBER OF THE FRIENDS OF THE NAPLES AIRPORT? I DON'T KNOW IF I'M A MEMBER. I'VE GIVEN MONIES TO WHATEVER THE I'VE GIVEN MONEY TO
WHOEVER IS LOOKING AT THE LEGISLATION THAT I'M TRYING TO HEAD OFF HERE. AND AM I A FRIEND? I AM A FRIEND OF THE NAPLES AIRPORT. I MAKE NO MISTAKE. 
          I SUPPORT THE NAPLES AIRPORT. I THINK IT'S A COMMUNITY BENEFIT,
BUT IT'S NOT AN UNQUALIFIED SUPPORT. 
          I THINK THEY NEED TO WORK TODAY, TOMORROW AND EVERY DAY. 
          ON BEING QUIETER AND A BETTER NEIGHBOR. I DON'T THINK THAT THE. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT'S HOW I GOT ON THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY TO BEGIN WITH,
BECAUSE THEY WERE RUNNING ROUGHSHOD OVER THE COMMUNITY, AND ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS CAME TO ME AND SAID,
WHY DON'T YOU SERVE ON THIS? AND THAT'S WHAT I DID. WHERE DO YOU SEE THIS AIRPORT IN 20 YEARS? I DON'T SEE IT ANY BIGGER. I DON'T SEE THE 75,000 POUND RESTRICTION BEING ELIMINATED. 
          I THINK IT WILL CONTINUE TO SERVE A LOT OF MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY. 
          I THINK THERE WILL STILL BE PEOPLE WHO COMPLAIN ABOUT NOISE EVEN THOUGH THE PLANES ARE
ELECTRIC. 
          BUT I THINK THAT IT HAS AN IMPORTANT ROLE TO PLAY. 
          I MEAN, IT PRODUCES MUCH MORE THAN A DOLLAR A YEAR FOR THE CITY. 
          I MEAN, THEY BUILT THE AIRPORT THERE. I MEAN,
THE FIRE STATION AT 7 OR $8 MILLION. 
          THEY PAY $1 MILLION IN FEES THAT THE TO THE FIREFIGHTERS THAT THE CITY OF NAPLES IS A
BENEFICIARY OF. 
          WE SPEND A LOT OF MONEY IN THE PAST ON WATER QUALITY AND WE'RE SPENDING MORE MONEY NOW
WHEN I SAY WE THEY ON WATER QUALITY. 
          AND I THINK THAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM THE MOSQUITO CONTROL BOARD YOU'VE GOT THE,
THE MULTIPLE PLACES THERE, I THINK I THINK, AND I HOPE THAT WE DON'T BECOME SIMPLY A CHARTER HUB. 
          I HOPE THAT WE FIGURE OUT WAYS THAT ARE LEGALLY PERMISSIBLE TO MAINTAIN A COMMUNITY
PRESENCE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY LIVE HERE. AND AND THAT WE ARE SUPPORTIVE OF THE INDUSTRIES AND THE
BUSINESSES THAT ARE ON THE AIRPORT. 
          I THINK IT WOULD BE TERRIBLE IF WE LOST THAT WAY. 
          I THINK IT'D BE TERRIBLE IF THE NAPLES CITY COUNCIL DIDN'T CONTINUE TO APPOINT THE
COMMISSIONERS. 
          WELL, I AGREE, AND WE DISCUSSED THAT BECAUSE THAT'S NOT AT ALL IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE
CITY OR THE LOCAL OWNERS, WHETHER THEY LIVE IN THE COUNTY OR THEY LIVE IN THE CITY. 
          AND I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO FIND THAT IF THAT WERE TO HAPPEN,
THAT THERE ARE MORE COUNTY VOCAL OPPOSITION TO THE AMOUNT OF NOISE AND FREQUENCY THAN THERE IS IN THE CITY. 
          JUST BECAUSE I GET IT. THE RESILIENCY AND THE WATER QUALITY DURING IAN, IT FLOODED. WE CAN'T RAISE THE AIRPORT. 
          AND IT'S A BIG PART OF OUR BASE AND MAP STUDY. 
          I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO HAVE THE ANSWERS NOW, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'VE ALREADY DONE YOUR
HOMEWORK ON IT. 
          YEAH, I THINK THE AIRPORT IS DOING A VERY GOOD JOB ON RESILIENCY,
AND I APPLAUD THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE HAVE PUSHED THEM ON THAT. 
          I THINK COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN MAKES IT ONE OF HER NUMBER ONE QUESTIONS. 
          I THINK THEY'RE INVESTING NOW AND RAISING ALL OF THE LIGHTING AT THE AIRPORT SO THAT IT
WON'T FLOOD DURING THE NEXT HURRICANE. 
          THAT IS INEVITABLE. I MEAN, THE RUNWAY IS AT A SEVEN. 
          THE NEW FIRE STATION IS AT A TEN. WE'RE GOING TO BUILD THE WE AGAIN SOMETIME. 
          I JUST CAN'T IT'S LIKE A CHILD, I CAN'T. THE THE LIGHTING BOX,
AND THEN THE BRAIN MASTER IS GOING TO BE AT A 13 FOR ALL THE RUN RUNWAY LIGHTS. I THINK WE ARE LOOKING AT AND ENGAGING IN,
AND HAD HOPED TO USE FAA, FAA FUNDS TO DO MORE STORM WATER CONTROL. 
          YOU KNOW, EVERY TIME THEY BUILD A BUILDING IN OR CREATE MORE COVERAGE IN AN INDUSTRIAL
PARK THAT DISCHARGES MORE WATER THROUGH THE AIRPORT, BUT THEY ARE MOVING FORWARD ON ADDITIONAL STORMWATER CONTROL. 
          I MEAN, I MAKE IT A PRIORITY THAT OUR STORMWATER DOESN'T GO INTO THE GORDON RIVER
UNTREATED. 
          THERE MAY BE MORE WE NEED TO DO THERE. BECAUSE WE ARE THE LAST RESORT FROM THE INDUSTRIAL
PARK AND AIRPORT ROAD. 
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OUR AIRPORT WATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM IS CONTROLLING THAT. 
          THAT DOESN'T COST THE CITY ANYTHING. THE AIRPORT HAS DONE THAT. 
          THE FAA GRANTS HAVE DONE THAT. AND SO I THINK RESILIENCY IS IMPORTANT. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO BE PREPARED FOR THAT NEXT HURRICANE. 
          AND I THINK THEY'RE DOING A GOOD JOB OF THAT. 
          YES. MY MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THAT THE WATER QUALITY. 
          AND THERE COULD BE FAR MORE DONE WITH WATER QUALITY. 
          AND BY THE WAY, WE DON'T, AS A CITY RECEIVE ANYTHING BUT A DOLLAR FROM. 
          NO, I KNOW WHAT THE I KNOW WHAT THE THE CITY RECEIVES. 
          THAT WAS A THAT WAS A DEAL WITH THE DEVIL IN 1968. 
          BUT I'M SAYING IT ISN'T THE ONLY THING CITY RESIDENTS IN THE CITY COUNCIL GET. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF EXPENDITURES THAT THE, THE AIRPORT MAKES THAT ARE A FLOW THROUGH TO YOU. 
          THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ON YOUR BUDGET OTHERWISE. 
          IS IT ENOUGH? I DIDN'T MAKE THAT DEAL. YOU YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T MAKE A BAD DEAL, THEN APPOINT ME. YOU MENTIONED IT, AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. AND IT'S THE WAR THAT'S HAPPENING BETWEEN SOME NOT ALL IN THE COMMUNITY
PLOTTING DIFFERENT HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS AGAINST OTHER HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS. 
          THAT TO ME IS INTOLERABLE. WHEN SOMEONE STANDS UP HERE AND SAYS IT'S JUST A MINORITY OF
PEOPLE, AS IF THEY'RE INSIGNIFICANT IS DISTURBING TO ME. 
          SO THE BULLYING, THE WAR AND THIS BUTTING OF HEADS IS THE ONE THING THAT I THINK THAT HAS
TO BE ADDRESSED AND IT HAS TO BE DONE RESPECTFULLY. 
          WELL, BUT, YOU KNOW, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT,
BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE OTHER ASSOCIATIONS AND THE FRUSTRATION THEY FEEL AND THE EXCLUSION THEY FEEL, PARTICULARLY AFTER THE LAST APPOINTMENTS WERE MADE. 
          AND I AGREE WITH YOU. THAT'S WHY I'M SITTING HERE. SOMEBODY NEEDS TO CREATE A BRIDGE. 
          WE ALSO NEED TO STOP THE MISINFORMATION. YOU KNOW,
THE AIRPORT ISN'T BUSIER THAN IT'S EVER BEEN. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S 40,000 LESS TAKEOFFS AND LANDINGS THAN THERE WAS 15 YEARS AGO. 
          NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S MOSTLY SMALL AIRCRAFT,
BUT IT ISN'T AS NOISY AS IT'S EVER BEEN. 
          I GO BACK TO WHAT I SAID EARLIER. I HAVE COFFEE ALMOST EVERY MORNING AT FIFTH AND SIXTH,
AND WE SIT THERE AND I ASK THEM, YOU GUYS, WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT IS BETTER THAN ANY NOISE? IT'S QUIETER HERE NOW. AND SO THE THE OPPONENTS OF THE AIRPORT HAVE TO BE FAIR MINDED AS
WELL. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND AND I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE,
THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE BIGGEST BURDEN OF NOISE AND, AND TRAFFIC ARE THE PEOPLE IN OLD NAPLES. THERE'S NO TWO WAYS ABOUT IT. 
          AND I'M ALL FOR ANYTHING WE CAN DO IN THE SKIES. 
          AND I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THE PEOPLE IN OLD NAPLES HAVE ON THE STREETS. 
          I MEAN, MY WIFE WON'T GO TO FIFTH AVENUE. IT'S JUST TOO CRAZY. 
          WILD. NO. LOUD. LOUD. NOISY. JUST AS I'D RATHER NOT GO THERE. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND WHY THEY'RE UNHAPPY. I UNDERSTAND WHY RAY DOESN'T LIKE TO GET WOKEN UP. 
          YOU KNOW I'M A CANDIDATE. WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHAT THE. 
          WHAT IS POSSIBLE, AND I. MY COMMITMENT TO YOU IS THAT LET'S LOCK ARMS,
FLY IN FORMATION, AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE DO THE THINGS THAT ARE THE RIGHT THING TO DO. A LOT OF GOOD THINGS HAVE HAPPENED AT THAT AIRPORT. 
          A LOT OF POSITIVE THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING AT THE AIRPORT. THE AIRPORT STAFF MORALE IS
WAY LOW. 
          OLDE NAPLES FEELS LIKE THEY'RE BEING ABUSED. THE REST OF THE ASSOCIATIONS,
YOU KNOW. 
          COME ON, LET'S LET'S FIGURE THIS OUT. THIS THIS ISN'T THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE THE CITY HAS
RIGHT NOW. 
          THERE ARE OTHER CHALLENGES THAT WE HAVE WITH STRUCTURE AND STORMWATER AND THE OVERALL
CITY. LET'S JUST GET THIS ONE IN A MANAGEABLE LEVEL. 
          WE'LL AGREE THAT WE'LL NEVER ALWAYS DISAGREE. 
          AND TO END, I'D SAY THIS ISN'T THE FIRST COUNCIL OR THE LAST THAT WILL HAVE AN UNHEALTHY
TENSION WITH THE AIRPORT. 
          BUT LET'S NOT MAKE THOSE TENSIONS GO TO THE LEVELS THEY ARE NOW. 
          JOHN, JUST TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT. I'M UP AT 5:00 ALMOST EVERY MORNING. 
          SO I AM TOO. SO CALL ME WHEN THAT PLANE GOES. 
          OFTEN. SOMETIMES BY CERTAIN PEOPLE. ACCUSED OF BEING INSUFFICIENTLY SENSITIVE TO THE NOISE
THAT OCCURS IN OLD NAPLES. 
          I WAS MERELY POINTING OUT THAT OBSERVATIONALLY,
I PROBABLY SEE IT AS MUCH AS ANYONE ON THIS COUNCIL. 
          AND AND IT'S REAL. IT EXISTS. DOES IT DOES IT WAKE ME UP OR UNDULY BOTHER ME AS AN
INDIVIDUAL? NO. AND I AND I UNDERSTAND AND ALSO AGREE WITH THE THE TREND LINES THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO CORRECT THAT. YOU KNOW, I'D ADD ONE MORE THING. 
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AT THE RISK OF TAKING OTHER PEOPLE'S TIME, WHEN I WAS CHAIRMAN,
I SAT WHERE YOU ARE, AND I TOLD OLD NAPLES CONDO ASSOCIATIONS AND THEIR REPRESENTATIVE, I SAID, WE CAN DO A $5 MILLION NOISE ATTENUATION ATTENUATION
PLAN. 
          WE CAN THE AIRPORT CAN AFFORD IT. AND I'VE GOT THE SUPPORT FOR THIS AIRPORT TO DO IT. 
          FOR THE OLDER HOMES AND CONDOS ALONG THE FLIGHT PATH,
INSTALLING TRIPLE PANE GLASS, INSULATING THE CEILINGS. 
          THEY SAID, WE DON'T WANT IT. WE WANT TO SIT OUT,
WE LIKE TO SIT OUTSIDE. 
          AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS ODD. BUT I ALSO THINK,
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, LINDA, THAT IS WORKING IN OTHER COMMUNITIES NOW, IT ISN'T GOING TO WORK IF YOU'RE SITTING OUTSIDE AS MUCH AS YOU'D LIKE IT TO WORK. 
          BUT IT IS INITIATIVE THAT WE COULD GO TO THE FAA WITH THAT WE COULD FUND,
AND THAT IS INSULATING ALONG THE FLIGHT PATH ANY OF THE OLDER HOMES, MOST OF THOSE ARE COMING DOWN. MOST OF THEM ARE BEING BUILT NEW,
BUT THE CONDOS ALONG BROAD AND THE STREETS STRAIGHT IN, THEY'RE NOT COMING DOWN IN THE NEAR TERM. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE AIRPORT AND THE
CITY, WE COULD JOINTLY LOCK ARMS, LOCK ARMS WITH FLY IN FORMATION AND IMPLEMENT,
AND IT WOULD HAVE A HUGE IMPACT. 
          YOU'LL FIND THAT THE CASE NOW IS THAT THE NEW HOMES THAT HAVE REPLACED THE OLDER HOMES,
THEY WANT TO SIT OUTSIDE. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE THE PROBLEM IS. AND I HAVEN'T SEEN A CHANGE IN THE NOISE OR THE FLIGHTS SINCE OH NINE. AND IF THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF DOING IT AND YOU REALLY
BELIEVE THAT YOU WOULD BE COMMITTED TO DOING IT, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR. 
          NOT NOT ANYONE ELSE BUT SAYING THERE IS A PROBLEM. 
          IT GOES STRAIGHT DOWN FIFTH AVENUE IN THE EVENINGS AND IT COMES RIGHT ACROSS. 
          NOW I SIT OUTSIDE AND HAVE MY COFFEE. I SEE THEM STACKED UP IN AQUILON. 
          THEY DON'T BOTHER ME. I SEE THEM, BUT THEY BOTHER THOSE THAT ARE WHEN THEY'RE COMING IN
AND THEIR APPROACH. 
          SO I JUST AGAIN THE BULLYING, THE WAR. I'M LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS AND WORKING TOGETHER AND
NOT DISMISSING PEOPLE. 
          SO THANK YOU. FOR I'LL JUST SAY FROM THIS POINT OF VIEW,
THE AIRPORTS, THE PROBABLY THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT WE HAVE THAT COMES BEFORE US. 
          SO UNFORTUNATE. ALL RIGHT. AND IT'S NOT THE ONLY BIG ISSUE. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND THANK YOU FOR APPLYING AND YOUR PAST SERVICE WITH THAT
COUNCIL. 
          IT IS 12:00. WE MUST TAKE A BREAK. PLEASE RETURN IN TEN MINUTES. 
          ALL RIGHT. OKAY. WE'RE BACK FROM OUR BREAK AND CONTINUING ON WITH OUR AIRPORT AUTHORITY. 
          APPLICANTS, MADAM CLERK. YES, OUR NEXT INTERVIEW. 
          OUR NEXT INTERVIEW WILL BE WITH MICHELE ARNOLD. 
          HELLO, GOOD MORNING OR GOOD AFTERNOON? I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO SAY GOOD MORNING,
BUT I'M SAYING GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME TODAY. I'M MICHELE ARNOLD I'VE,
33 YEAR RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF NAPLES. 
          DEEPLY INVESTED IN THE WELL-BEING AND THE PRESERVATION OF THE CITY'S. 
          MY HUSBAND AND I GOT MARRIED HERE. WE'VE RAISED TWO CHILDREN,
TWO BOYS HERE. 
          SO WE'RE VERY INVESTED IN THE COMMUNITY. AND WHAT HAPPENS? I'VE ALWAYS BEEN INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          I'VE SERVED ON PTO WHEN MY KIDS WERE IN SCHOOL. 
          I'VE WAS ALSO A SOCCER COACH FOR KIDS THAT WERE BEFORE I HAD CHILDREN DURING THE MY KIDS
GROWING UP YEARS AND THEN AFTER. AND IT'S WONDERFUL TO SEE SOME OF THESE YOUNG MEN,
ACTUALLY, MOSTLY MEN COME BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND SERVE AS DOCTORS AND ATTORNEYS AND THE LIKE. IN ADDITION TO THAT,
I ALSO WAS ON THE DAVID LAWRENCE CENTER BOARD, YOUTH HAVEN COMMITTEES AND SERVED CURRENTLY ON THE SAINT MATTHEW'S HOUSE BOARD. 
          AND I HAVE TO JUST THROW IN THE LEADERSHIP COLLIER THING. 
          I WAS A PROUD MEMBER OF THE LEADERSHIP. COLLIER,
CLASS OF 2002 95. 
          WELL, 2002 IS THE BEST CLASS. SO ANYWAY I VIEW THE AIRPORT AS A VALUABLE RESOURCE FOR OUR
COMMUNITY, AND THAT'S WHY I BELIEVE THAT IT SHOULD BE MAINTAINED,
BUT NOT OUTSIDE OF THE CONSIDERATION OF OUR RESIDENTS HERE. 
          PROFESSIONALLY, I'VE SERVED AS A LOCAL, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT,
FOR 40 YEARS, INCLUDED IN THAT OF EXTENSIVE BACKGROUND IN LAND USE PLANNING. THAT WAS THE FIRST PART OF MY CAREER. 
          I WORKED DIRECTLY UNDER TWO COUNTY MANAGERS HERE IN COLLIER COUNTY,
AND I HAVE OVER TEN YEARS OF TRANSPORTATION EXPERIENCE AS THE ALTERNATE 
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TRANSPORTATION DIRECTOR FOR THE COUNTY. I BELIEVE THE THE TRANSPORTATION PORTION OF MY
EXPERIENCE CLOSELY ALIGNS WITH THE REGULATORY ASPECTS OF THE AIRPORT ADMINISTRATION. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I'M HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY. AS THE PUBLIC TRANSIT DIRECTOR MY EXPERIENCE
INCLUDED COLLABORATION WITH FLORIDA TRANSIT ADMINISTRATION AS WELL AS THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. 
          SO, AGAIN, THAT EXPERIENCE IS GOING TO BOLSTER MY EXPERIENCE OR MY ABILITY TO DO THIS PARTICULAR JOB. ON THE NAR. MY TENURE WITH COLLIER COUNTY ALSO INCLUDED MANAGING
SEVERAL MUNICIPAL SERVICE TAXING UNITS. I'M SURE YOU ALL KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE,
BUT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC. 
          IT IS WHERE DISTRICTS OR COMMUNITY MEMBERS TEXT ARE TAXED ABOVE THE NORMAL AD VALOREM TAX
TO DO VARIOUS PROJECTS, VARIOUS CAPITAL PROJECTS. SOME OF THESE PROJECTS RANGED IN THINGS LIKE UNDERGROUND BURIAL
PROJECTS, DRAINAGE WE DID LAND USE BEAUTIFICATION, WE DID ROADWAY IMPROVEMENTS. 
          AND SO THAT EXPERIENCE GAVE ME A LOT OF PROJECT MANAGEMENT RELATED EXPERIENCE AS WELL AS
MAKING SURE THAT I'M FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE. THE MY DEPARTMENT WAS FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE FOR MAKING SURE THOSE
ASSETS WERE CONSTRUCTED IN A FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE WAY. THAT PROCESS ALSO INCLUDED ME INTERACTING A LOT WITH COMMUNITY
MEMBERS. 
          MANY OF THE MSTU HAD A COMMITTEE ASSOCIATED WITH THEM,
SO WE ENGAGED WITH COMMUNITY MEMBERS ON A REGULAR BASIS. 
          SO I THINK THAT GAVE ME THE ABILITY TO EFFECTIVELY ENGAGE WITH NOT ONLY RESIDENTS,
BUT BUSINESSES IN THE AREA AND MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ADDRESSING THE NEEDS THAT THEY CREATED THE UNITS FOR. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT MY ABILITIES ARE VERY ALIGNED WITH THE POWERS AND DUTIES ASSOCIATED WITH THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY ACT. 
          I'VE DRAFTED MANY BYLAWS, AND WITH MY MSU EXPERIENCES,
MY EXPERIENCE ALSO INCLUDED LEASES, ASSOCIATED PROPERTIES. ALSO, THE ISSUANCE AND REFUNDING OF BONDS. 
          WERE SOME OF THOSE CAPITAL PROJECTS OR MIGHT ACTUALLY SOME OF MY TRANSIT EXPERIENCE AS
WELL. 
          AND I ALSO ENGAGED IN THE CONTRACT AND AGREEMENT MANAGEMENT AS WELL AS GRANT MANAGEMENT,
THE TRANSIT SIDE OR THE TRANSPORTATION SIDE OF MY RESPONSIBILITIES DID TAKE IN A LOT OF GRANTS,
AND THAT WAS A WAY THAT WE WERE ABLE TO EXTEND SOME OF THE LOCAL DOLLARS THAT WE HAD. MANY OF OUR PROJECTS WERE MOSTLY CAPITAL RELATED,
NOT OPERATIONAL. 
          SO THE LOCAL DOLLARS FUNDED OUR OPERATIONS. I FEEL LIKE I'M STRONG FISCAL AWARENESS AND ALSO HAVE SUCCESSFULLY NEGOTIATED ON BEHALF OF VARIOUS ENTITIES. 
          I THINK THAT ONE OF MY OTHER STRENGTHS IS JUST THE ABILITY TO LISTEN AND THOUGHTFULLY
EVALUATE ISSUES AND MAKE SURE THAT ALL FACTORS OF THOSE ISSUES ARE,
ARE CAREFULLY CONSIDERED. 
          I'M PREPARED TO ASSESS THOSE ISSUES SHOES THOROUGHLY AND OFFER MY ADVICE. 
          AND I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH YOU TODAY. 
          THANK YOU. COUNCIL QUESTIONS. COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN. 
          NICE TO SEE YOU AGAIN. I WAS ON THE MPO, I THINK FOR WHAT,
5 OR 6 YEARS WHEN YOU WERE RUNNING THAT OPERATION? AND I WILL TELL YOU, COUNCIL, SHE DID AN AMAZING JOB. 
          SHE REALLY DID. I APPRECIATE IT. BUSSES WERE NEVER LATE. 
          SHE KNEW WHO HER CUSTOMERS WERE. SHE. YOU REALLY DID A TERRIFIC JOB. 
          THANKS, MICHEL. AND THANK YOU FOR APPLYING. THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY. 
          HOW DO YOU HOW DO YOU SEE TRANSLATING YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE MPO DIRECTLY TO THE NAR? WELL, I MEAN, AS I SAID A LOT OF WHAT I DID ON THE TRANSPORTATION SIDE,
THE ALTERNATIVE TRANSPORTATION MODES DEPARTMENT WAS WORKING WITH THE FAA OR WORKING WITH DOT. I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH YOU KNOW,
THERE WAS 
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DISCUSSION EARLIER ABOUT WORKING WITH FAA AND FIGURING OUT HOW TO NEGOTIATE WITH THEM AND
GET THINGS RESOLVED TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE CONCERNS OR ISSUES PARTICULARLY. I KNOW NOISE IS IS ONE OF THEM. 
          I THINK MY EXPERIENCE WITH THOSE THE FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENT WILL TRANSLATE EASILY
INTO THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY POSITION. 
          SO IN SOME CASES, YOU DEALT WITH WHAT I'M GOING TO CALL THE DISAFFECTED FEW,
AND THOSE WERE WHAT I WOULD REFER TO AS HANDICAPPED. AND I REMEMBERED YOU PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION TO THAT. 
          IN THIS CASE, THE COMMUNITY HAS A DISAFFECTED FEW. 
          HOW WOULD YOU HOW DO YOU PERCEIVE YOU WOULD ADDRESS THAT? WELL, THE BIGGEST PART OF ADDRESSING IT IS, IS GOING OUT AND REACHING OUT TO THOSE
DISAFFECTED FEW TO REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE. AND THEN IDENTIFYING WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS SOME SIMILARITIES
BETWEEN THOSE DISAFFECTED FEW AND, AND SEE WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS A POTENTIAL A SOLUTION FOR THAT
PARTICULAR PROBLEM. 
          I KNOW THAT THAT NA IS CURRENTLY EVALUATING WHERE COMPLAINTS ARE COMING FROM. 
          YES. AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT THE AREAS THAT THESE COMPLAINTS ARE COMING FROM. 
          AND IT COULD BE 1 OR 2. BUT WE MAY HAVE TO LIKE GET BOOTS ON THE GROUND AND GO TO THOSE
LOCATIONS THEMSELVES AND DETERMINE WHAT THE OR THE LEVEL OF NOISE IS AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION TO SEE TO BETTER,
TO BETTER COME UP WITH A SOLUTION TO RESOLVE THE PROBLEM AND GET A CLEAR NUMBER AS TO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT REALLY ARE
FEEL THAT THEY'RE DISAFFECTED. 
          RIGHT. YEAH. AND THEN I THINK THAT'S CRITICALLY IMPORTANT,
TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST. 
          YES. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR APPLYING. THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. CHRISTMAN. MISS ARNOLD,
THANK YOU FOR REPLYING. 
          THANK YOU. JUST A I'D LIKE TO JUST PROBE A LITTLE BIT AND UNDERSTAND WHAT YOUR VIEW OF THE
AIRPORT IS COMING IN. 
          I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, YOU'VE NOT HAD PROFESSIONAL. 
          RELATIONSHIPS WITH IT IN TERMS OF YOUR WORK,
BUT BUT YOU'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, AND, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST ON A PERSONAL LEVEL, YOU MUST HAVE DEVELOPED A POINT OF VIEW. 
          WHAT IS YOUR VIEW OF OF THE THE AIRPORT AS IT'S EVOLVED RIGHT NOW AND WHERE IT MIGHT BE IN 20 YEARS IN TERMS OF ITS ARE YOU WHEN I'M REALLY GETTING AT IS YOUR VIEW
REGARDING POTENTIAL RELOCATION OF THE AIRPORT GROWTH? NO GROWTH ATTITUDE TOWARD THE ABILITY OF THE AIRPORT TO
SEEK AND ATTRACT GRANTS TO SUPPORT ITS OPERATIONS. AND WELL,
I'LL JUST STOP THERE. 
          SURE. WELL, AS I SAID, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 33 YEARS. 
          I WAS HERE WHEN THE AIRPORT DID HAVE COMMERCIAL FLIGHTS COMING IN AND OUT AND UTILIZE
THOSE FLIGHTS MYSELF. 
          AND I'VE SEEN AS A PART OF THE COUNTY, I'VE HEARD,
BECAUSE ONE OF MY OTHER RESPONSIBILITIES WAS ACTUALLY THE CODE ENFORCEMENT DIRECTOR. 
          SO I HEARD MANY COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE NOISE ON A COUNTY LEVEL. 
          AND, BUT I THINK THAT THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY HAS DONE A TREMENDOUS JOB OF TRYING TO
ADDRESS THOSE NOISE COMPLAINTS. AND I THINK WE STILL HAVE A WAYS TO GO WITH REGARDS TO MAKING SURE THAT OUR
RESIDENTS AND ARE, ARE, ARE SATISFIED WITH THE, THE INITIATIVES THAT WE WERE TAKING WITH REGARD TO
RELOCATION. 
          I THINK IT'S A VERY EXPENSIVE ENDEAVOR. WE HAVE MADE SIGNIFICANT INVESTMENT HERE,
AT THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY, OR AT THE NAPLES AIRPORT,
AND TO RELOCATE THE THE AIRPORT. 
          IT WOULD NOT ONLY COST A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY TO FIND THE PROPERTY AND RELOCATE
THOSE THINGS, BUT YOU DO HAVE GRANT DOLLARS ALREADY TIED UP IN THE AIRPORT. 
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AND I'M PRETTY SURE IT'S PROBABLY FAMILIAR. SO THOSE INVESTMENTS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THE
CITY OR NA MAY BE FACED WITH REPAYING IF THEY HAVEN'T COMPLIED WITH THE FULL ASSURANCES OF THOSE
GRANTS. 
          SO THOSE ARE ADDITIONAL COSTS THAT MAYBE FOLKS HAVE NOT THOUGHT OF. 
          SO I THINK IT REALLY IS NOT FEASIBLE TO RELOCATE THE AIRPORT. 
          IT'S JUST IT'S GOING TO COST A LOT OF MONEY. I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS IF WE'RE
STAYING HERE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LOCATION IS ONE THAT IS SENSITIVE TO THE RESIDENTS. AND WE'LL DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE
CONCERNS. 
          NOISE OBVIOUSLY IS IS ONE OF THE CONCERNS. BUT AS IT WAS POINTED OUT BY SOME OF THE OTHER
CANDIDATES, THERE ARE OTHER ISSUES IN TERMS OF WATER QUALITY ON THE AIRPORT AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          SO I THINK WE'VE MADE THE INVESTMENT OF HAVING THE AIRPORT AT THAT LOCATION. 
          LET'S DO THE BEST JOB THAT WE CAN TO BE THE BEST NEIGHBORS FOR THE RESIDENTS AROUND US,
BOTH IN, IN COLLIER AND IN THE CITY OF NAPLES. AND DO YOU HAVE ANY PARTICULAR IDEAS COMING INTO THE, INTO YOUR AS A CANDIDATE. 
          AND IF YOU WERE COMING ON TO THE BOARD, IF YOU WERE SELECTED,
ANY PARTICULAR IDEAS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO PURSUE IN TERMS OF HOW TO MITIGATE SOME OF THESE NEGATIVE IMPACTS OR ISSUES THAT THE AIRPORT IS FACING? HAVE YOU GIVEN ANY THOUGHT TO ANY SPECIFIC IDEAS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO RUN UP THE FLAGPOLE
AND SEE WHETHER THEY MADE SENSE IN TERMS OF WHETHER IT BE NOISE MITIGATION OR ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, I MEAN, WE HEARD SOME VERY GOOD COMMENTS WITH THE TWO CANDIDATES BEFORE YOU KNOW,
SOME OF THE NOISE ATTENUATION STUDIES TO, TO IF, IF THOSE RESIDENTS WITHIN THE FLIGHT PATH WOULD IF WE COULD MITIGATE THOSE NOISE
THINGS FOR THEM, THAT WOULD BE ONE WAY. I DON'T I DON'T HAVE THE,
THE BACKGROUND WITH REGARDS TO BEING, YOU KNOW, PILOT MYSELF TO TO COME UP WITH SOME OF THE,
THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE EARLIER. 
          BUT I IN LISTENING TO JOHN BEFORE ME I THINK LOOKING AT THE AIRCRAFTS AND,
AND RESTRICTING THOSE IS, IS A GOOD IDEA. AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE SOME HISTORY WITH,
YOU KNOW, ELIMINATING STAGE ONE AND STAGE TWO IF, IF IT MAKES SENSE WITH STUDY I ONE THAT REALLY BELIEVE THAT WE NEED TO EVALUATE EVERYTHING
AND LOOK AT ALL, ALL SIDES RATHER THAN JUST COMING UP WITH AN IDEA AND RUNNING WITH IT. 
          WE'VE GOT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING THE BEST COMING UP WITH THE BEST SOLUTION FOR AS
MANY PARTIES INVOLVED. 
          SO I THINK SOME OF THE IDEAS THAT WERE FLOATED EARLIER THIS MORNING,
I THINK THOSE ARE ALL VIABLE THINGS THAT WE SHOULD EVALUATE AND LOOK AT, AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO LOOKING AT ANY OF THOSE THINGS. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? PETRANOFF. 
          THANK YOU FOR APPLYING. I WANTED TO ASK YOU IN YOUR PREVIOUS POSITION ON ON THE PUBLIC
TRANSPORTATION HOW DID YOU MEASURE WHEN A BUS WAS LATE? HOW DID YOU MEASURE YOUR SERVICE LEVEL? ALL ALL OF OUR BUSSES ARE MONITORED DIGITALLY. 
          THEY HAVE WE KNOW WHERE THEY ARE, ACTUALLY, WHEN THEY'RE RIDING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD,
AS WELL AS THE EQUIPMENT ON THE BUS. 
          WE MONITORED THEIR LOCATIONS. THEY'VE ACTUALLY INCREASED THE,
THE TECHNOLOGY ON THE BUSSES NOW SO THAT THERE'S THE ABILITY TO IF THEY ARE RUNNING LATE. EIGHT. LIKE THE FIRE TRUCKS,
THEY CAN CHANGE THE THE THE LIGHTS. YEAH, BUT IT'S ONLY WE HAVE CERTAIN REGULATIONS IN PLACE THAT IT CANNOT BE,
YOU KNOW, SOME CRAZY BUS DRIVER THAT'S JUST. OH, I DON'T WANT TO WAIT. 
          AND HE'S GOING TO CHANGE THE LIGHTS TYPE OF THING. SO THERE ARE EVERYTHING IS DONE
ELECTRONICALLY NOW. 
          AND WE'VE ALWAYS DONE IT THAT WAY SINCE MY TENURE WITH THE DEPARTMENT. 
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SO YOU DON'T MEASURE, SAY, A LATE BUS BASED ON A BUS DRIVER OR BUS. 
          USER CALLING IN AND COMPLAINING. NO, THERE'S A SCHEDULE SIMILAR TO THE FLIGHT SCHEDULES ON
A COMMERCIAL AIRLINE. 
          SO THERE'S A SCHEDULE FOR WHEN THE BUS SHOULD BE WITHIN A CERTAIN AREA BY A CERTAIN TIME. 
          AND THE BIG THING IS WE CAN'T BE EARLY. SO IF IF SOMEONE IF THE BUS GETS THERE TOO EARLY,
THEY HAVE TO WAIT AT THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION SO THAT THEY CAN CATCH UP WITH THE SCHEDULE. 
          SO WOULD YOU BE OPEN GIVEN THAT AND APPLYING IT TO THE AIRPORT? RIGHT NOW WE MEASURE OUR NOISE COMPLIANCE BY THE END USER,
WHICH I THINK IS KIND OF AN ODD WAY TO MEASURE YOUR QUALITY. 
          WHAT DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS AROUND HOW YOU WOULD MEASURE APPROPRIATE NOISE IF OR ARE YOU
OKAY WITH JUST RESIDENTS MEASURING IT FOR YOU? WELL, THE FAA DOESN'T ALLOW JUST TO BE JUST RESIDENTS COMPLAINING. 
          MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE NEEDS TO BE NOISE STUDIES CONDUCTED,
ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE INTENDING TO ADD ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS ONTO A PARTICULAR THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY OR ANYTHING. I MEAN PILOTS OR AIR TRAFFIC. 
          YOU HAVE TO HAVE A STUDY THAT SHOWS THERE IS AN ACTUAL RULE VIOLATION OF THE NOISE LEVELS. 
          BEFORE WE CAN ADD ANY RESTRICTIONS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          SO YES, I WOULD I WOULD DEFINITELY LOOK TOWARDS EVALUATION OF THINGS WITH TECHNOLOGY
RATHER THAN JUST THE END USER'S COMPLAINT. THANK YOU. OKAY. NO FURTHER. VICE MAYOR. 
          JUST QUICKLY, MISS ARNOLD, I JUST WANTED TO TELL YOU HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE YOU COMING
FORWARD. 
          PUTTING YOUR NAME IN THE HAT. YOU HAVE EXPERIENCE SOLVING TRANSPORTATION ISSUES AND THINGS
IN AND AROUND TRANSPORTATION. 
          AND I JUST, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE SOME FRESH IDEAS AND A DIFFERENT OUTLOOK,
SO. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MISS ARNOLD,
ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE AIRPORT UTILIZATION PLAN? I BECAME A LITTLE BIT MORE FAMILIAR WITH IT WHEN YOU ASKED THE QUESTION EARLIER,
BUT YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THE CITY OF NAPLES HAS A UTILIZATION PLAN, AND REQUIRES BUILDING PERMITS AND OTHER THINGS TO GO THROUGH THE CITY OF NAPLES CITY
COUNCIL APPROVAL. 
          THANK YOU. IN YOUR OPINION DO YOU THINK THAT THE AIRPORT HAS GROWN OVER THE LAST 30 YEARS THAT YOU'VE BEEN HERE? YES. THERE'S BEEN THERE'S BEEN GROWTH. 
          I WOULD I WOULD DEFINITELY AGREE WITH THAT SENTIMENT THAT THERE HAS BEEN GROWTH. 
          AND I AGREE THAT IT'S IT'S A. RESULT OF SOME OF THE GROWTH THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE COUNTY
AS WELL AS IN THE CITY OF NAPLES. 
          AND THAT'S JUST REACTING TO SOME OF THE THE DEMANDS OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH ANY OF THE LEASES OR AGREEMENTS OR THE GAS PRICING AND LANDING FEES
THAT WERE SPOKEN ABOUT EARLIER. 
          NOT. I HAVEN'T REVIEWED ANY OF THEM, BUT I AM FAMILIAR THAT THE LEASES NEED TO BE REVIEWED
BY THE AUTHORITY. 
          AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I'M FAMILIAR WITH,
WITH DOING AND THE LANDING FEES AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. 
          I, I'M NOT DIRECTLY FAMILIAR WITH THEM, BUT I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE,
THE, THE, THE IDEA OF THOSE THINGS ARE. 
          AND JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I AM A FRIEND OF THE AIRPORT. 
          I WAS A MEMBER OF FRIENDS OF THE AIRPORT. ARE YOU AFFILIATED WITH FRIENDS OF THE AIRPORT? I'M NOT AFFILIATED WITH THE FRIENDS OF THE AIRPORT. 
          AND IT'S OKAY TO LIKE THE AIRPORT. AND I DO LIKE THE AIRPORT. 
          IN YOUR CAPACITY WITH THE MPO, DID YOU GET GRANTS FOR OR SECURE GRANTS FOR THE AIRPORT? NOT THE AIRPORT, BUT TRANSIT. YES, WE WE SECURED GRANTS FOR THE TRANSIT FOR COLLIER
COUNTY. 
          AND AS A PART OF THAT PROCESS WE HAD TO SIGN CERTAIN ASSURANCES AND LIKE THE AIRPORT, NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY. I BELIEVE THOSE ASSURANCES,
IF YOU'RE GOING TO RUN A BUSINESS, YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE DOING THAT AS EFFICIENTLY AND EFFECTIVELY AS
POSSIBLE AND HAVE YOUR CHECKS AND BALANCES. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT THOSE CERTS AND ASSURANCES ARE TRYING TO DO. 
          YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE GIVING A LOAN TO SOMEBODY,
YOU'RE WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN THEIR THEIR PROPERTY SO THAT 
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THE THE INVESTMENT THAT YOU'RE GIVING THE FUNDS FOR ARE GOING TO BE WELL MAINTAINED. 
          SO THESE CERTAIN ASSURANCES ARE DOING SUCH THOSE THINGS. 
          AND WITH THE TRANSIT AUTHORITY, WE ACTUALLY WERE REQUIRED TO GO THROUGH A TRIENNIAL REVIEW
EVERY THREE YEARS. 
          THERE WAS REVIEW FROM THE FAA FTA. I'M ALREADY IN THE AIRPORT SIDE OF THINGS. 
          THE FTA TO LOOK AT HOW WE ARE COMPLYING WITH THOSE SORTS OF ASSURANCES,
HOW WE'RE COMPLYING WITH OUR OPERATIONS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I WELCOME THOSE THOSE REVIEWS JUST BECAUSE IT KEPT US ON OUR TOES AND MADE
SURE THAT WE HAD OUR WE WERE MEETING ALL THE REGULATIONS THAT WERE SET IN FRONT OF US AND THAT WE WERE BEING GOOD
STEWARDS OF THE TAXPAYERS DOLLARS. 
          AND SO I THINK THE THE CERTAIN ASSURANCES ASSOCIATED WITH THE GRANTS THAT THE,
THE NEA IS ACCEPTED SO FAR ARE TRYING TO DO THE SAME THINGS. THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE BEING GOOD
BUSINESS PEOPLE. 
          OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE THE BRAIN'S COMMITMENT YOU'VE GIVEN TO THIS COMMUNITY FOR YEARS,
AND I THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          BUT MY LAST QUESTION IS WHY THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY,
WITH ALL THE CONTROVERSY THAT SURROUNDS IT, WHY DID YOU PICK THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY? I DON'T KNOW. 
          I THINK I'M A LITTLE BIT CRAZY. NO. I LIKE A CHALLENGE,
AND I, AND I, AS I SAID BEFORE, THE THE AIRPORT IS A RESOURCE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT I THINK NEEDS TO BE PRESERVED AND PROTECTED. 
          AND THAT WAS WHAT ATTRACTED ME TO THIS PARTICULAR POSITION. 
          AND I KNOW THAT I'VE GOT A LOT TO LEARN, BUT I'M A QUICK STUDY AND AND I THINK THAT I'M,
I'M GOOD AT EVALUATING THINGS AND MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION FOR THE,
THE MASS, I WOULD AGREE. 
          THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WELL THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR APPLICATION AND YOUR WILLINGNESS
TO SERVE. 
          AND WE'LL MAKE OUR DECISION ON WEDNESDAY. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. COUNCIL. 
          OUR NEXT APPLICANT IS JOHN CROSS. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CROSS. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M HAPPY TO BE HERE,
AND I. 
          I SAID IT BEFORE. WE HAVE YOUR RESUMES. FOR THOSE OF YOU JUST WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS
ANYTHING THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO SAY FOR WHY YOU'RE RUNNING FOR THIS POSITION. 
          BECAUSE WE ARE. WE DO HAVE YOUR RESUMES. YOU DON'T NEED TO REPEAT IT. 
          SO I DO NOT HAVE ANY AVIATION EXPERIENCE. I DO HAVE A GREAT DEAL OF EXPERIENCE SERVING ON
THE CITY ON THE ON THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. SO I THINK I HAVE A SENSE OF OF HOW THE CITY
FUNCTIONS AND HOW THE CITY REACHES DECISIONS. 
          AND I THINK THE CITY HAS TO MAKE BETTER DECISIONS WITH REGARD TO THE AIRPORT,
OR DECISIONS THAT TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS BEFORE THEY ARE MADE AND ARE MORE FULLY
EXPLAINED. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IT APPEALS TO ME BECAUSE IT'S SUCH A BIG RIGHT NOW. 
          IT'S IT'S IT IS SO CONTENTIOUS. AND I THINK THAT THAT,
THAT YOU COULD, YOU COULD LOWER THE LOWER THE LOWER THE LOWER THE PRESSURE. AND I THINK THAT EVERYONE COULD MAKE BETTER INFORMED
DECISIONS AND THAT WOULD BE MY THAT WOULD BE THE, THE OBJECTION THAT WOULD BE THE OBJECT OF MY,
OF MY SERVICE WOULD BE, WOULD BE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. 
          I THINK THE PROCESS BY WHICH PROPOSALS ARE DEVELOPED AND THEN VOTED ON SHOULD BE LOOKED
AT. 
          AND WHEN YOU DEVELOP A PROPOSAL, YOU SHOULD MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THE STAKEHOLDERS ARE
PARTICIPATING IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPOSAL SO THAT EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS FULLY WHAT THE PROPOSAL IS. THERE'S A LOT OF MISTRUST. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF DOUBT SURROUNDING THE UNDERLYING INFORMATION THAT GOES INTO CREATING THE
PROPOSAL. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM. IT'S ALSO IT'S GOING TO BE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WORK IF
YOU AREN'T IF YOU'RE JUST GOING TO COME AND SIT ON THE COMMITTEE ONCE A MONTH AND MAKE DECISIONS,
YOU AREN'T, YOU AREN'T. 
          THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE HELPFUL. THAT ISN'T GOING TO GET US. 
          THAT ISN'T GOING TO GET US TO A SHARED VISION FOR THE AIRPORT THAT THAT THE THAT THE TOWN
CAN PURSUE. 
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AND THE TOWN NEEDS A SHARED VISION FOR THE AIRPORT THAT THEY CAN PURSUE. 
          SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. COUNCIL QUESTIONS FOR MR. CARLOS. PETRANOFF. THANK YOU, MR. CROSS, FOR APPLYING. 
          WANTED TO ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT. I THINK THAT PROBABLY IN READING THROUGH OUR POWERS,
ETC., THE MOST POWERFUL LEVEL THAT WE HAVE ARE OUR LAND USE POWERS. 
          DO YOU HAVE BEING THAT YOU WERE ON PAB AND LAND USE WAS YOUR MISSION? WHAT ARE YOU SEEING IN TERMS OF THE WAY THAT WE LOOK AT PROPOSALS AND WHAT WOULD YOU DO
YOU THINK YOU WOULD BRING TO THE TABLE AS BEING IN A DIFFERENT ROLE ON THE NAR? WELL, I THINK THE NAR, I THINK BEING ON THE NAR GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO
COMMUNICATE WITH STAKEHOLDERS. AND, YOU KNOW, MANY OF THE PROPOSALS THAT COME WELL WHEN PROPOSALS ARE
DEVELOPED BY THE AIRPORT, I THINK THERE'S THAT THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE TO HAVE MORE INPUT IN THE
FORMATION OF THAT PROPOSAL THAT THAT THE GOVERNING BODY CAN HAVE MORE INPUT. IDEALLY,
OTHER STAKEHOLDERS, THE CITY COUNCIL COULD HAVE INPUT INTO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT PROPOSAL. THE THE THE THE CURRENT STAKEHOLDERS IN THE AIR AT THE AIRPORT,
WHO, AS EVERYONE HAS POINTED OUT, ARE OWNERS OF PLANES, ARE RESIDENTS OF THE AIRPORT,
ARE ARE THE PEOPLE WE SHOULD BE REPRESENTING. 
          WE SHOULD BE REPRESENTING THEM AS WELL AS AS CITIZENS WHO ARE AFFECTED BY BY THE NOISE
THAT THE AIRPORT CREATES. 
          AND AND IT'S A YOU HAVE. BOTH OF THOSE PARTIES HAVE TO HAVE INPUT INTO ANY PROPOSAL THAT
THE AIRPORT BRINGS FORWARD, AND THEN THAT PROPOSAL SHOULD BE SHOULD CONSIDER THE RESULTS OF WHAT THEY ARE PLANNING TO
DO ON PAB. WHEN THE WHEN THE AIRPORT WOULD COME BEFORE US WITH A PLAN. 
          THERE WAS NEVER A CONSIDERATION OF WHAT WOULD THE WHAT WILL THE IMPACT OF THIS PLAN BE ON
THE COMMUNITY AND AND BECAUSE OF THAT WE ON PAB IT JUST FOSTERED DOUBT. YOU KNOW, I THINK IT FOSTERED DOUBT ON THE PAB. 
          THERE WAS ONE PROPOSAL THAT CAME BEFORE US. IT WAS A IT WAS A MASTER PLAN PROPOSAL. 
          AND THEY WERE RUSHING IT A LITTLE BIT SO THAT IT WOULD BE CONSIDERED IN ADVANCE OF A NOISE
IN, IN ADVANCE OF THE CITY'S INPUT ON NOISE. AND THAT STRUCK ME AS IS DISCOURTEOUS AND AND AND
NOT REALLY PRODUCTIVE. I MEAN, THE, THE THE FAA CONTROLS THE USE OF THE AIRPORT. 
          JET TRAFFIC HAS INCREASED BY 50% OVER THE PERIOD OF THE PANDEMIC. 
          SO THAT'S THAT'S A CONSEQUENTIAL CHANGE. AND EVERYONE HAS TO AGREE THAT THAT'S A
CONSEQUENTIAL CHANGE. 
          AND IT IS IT. AND IT'S A BYPRODUCT OF THE INDUSTRY CHANGING OF OF THERE BEING LARGE
COMPANIES THAT ARE ARE DOWN MARKET DRIVERS OF PRIVATE JET TRAVEL. RIGHT. THE FRACTIONAL USE JET NET JETS. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT THOSE COMPANIES ARE IN THE INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE WHO THE PEOPLE WHO
LIVE IN NAPLES WHO HAVE ALWAYS USED THE AIRPORT, REPORT THEIR GROWTH IS NOT IN THEIR INTEREST. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT THEIR GROWTH IS GENERALLY IN THE INTEREST OF THE OF THE CITIZENRY OF
NAPLES. 
          OKAY. SO I WOULD PERSONALLY I WOULD DO EVERYTHING I COULD TO,
TO STRUCTURE THE AIRPORT SO THAT, SO THAT THEIR GROWTH AT OUR AIRPORT WAS INHIBITED. 
          OKAY. AND ON PAB, I NOTICED WATCHING THE PAB MEETINGS THAT YOU SEEM TO BE THE WATER
QUALITY GUY. 
          I AM. THE STORMWATER. HAVE YOU TAKEN A LOOK AT WHAT IS LOCATED OUT,
YOU KNOW, ON THE STORMWATER RETENTION POND AND ALL THE TREATMENTS AS IT BECAUSE IT DOES ABUT THE GORDON RIVER,
WHICH GOES RIGHT OUT TO. 
          I HAVE NOT I HAVE NOT, I HAVE NOT DONE YOU KNOW,
I HAVEN'T READ THE, I HAVEN'T READ THE, THE PLAN THAT THE AIRPORT PRODUCED THAT 
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SHOWS THE, THE MAXIMUM CAPACITY OF THE OF THE AIRPORT. 
          I CHRIS SENT IT TO ME. I VERY MUCH WANT TO READ IT. 
          I HAVE NOT REALLY. I HAVEN'T STUDIED THE AIRPORT IN ADVANCE,
BUT NOMINALLY, BUT I HAVEN'T. 
          HOWEVER, IF THERE IS ROOM AT THE AIRPORT TO TREAT WATER AS OPPOSED TO FACILITATING GROWTH, THEN LET'S LET'S SAVE THAT AREA TO TREAT WATER. 
          IF THERE IS THE ABILITY TO EXPAND, IS TO PROVIDE MOSQUITO CONTROL WITH ENOUGH LAND TO DO
MOSQUITO CONTROL IN THE FUTURE, THEN LET'S PROVIDE THAT LAND,
THAT LAND IN IN WHATEVER FUTURE PLANNING WE HAVE FOR THE AIRPORT, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WOULD. THAT WOULD HAVE THE THE EFFECT OF PRESERVING ITS CURRENT USE
FOR THE FOR THE CITIZENS WHO OWN AIRPLANES. AND I WANT TO BENEFIT THEM,
AND I WANT TO AND AND YOU SHOULD WANT TO BENEFIT THEM OR YOU SHOULDN'T BE. YOU SHOULDN'T BE ASKING TO BE ON THE AIR. 
          OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'LL ASK MY QUESTIONS. SAME AS YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE UTILIZATION PLAN
FOR AT THE AIRPORT. 
          NOT AS FAMILIAR AS I SHOULD BE. AND DO YOU BELIEVE THERE'S BEEN A LARGER AMOUNT OF GROWTH? AT THE AIRPORT. IT'S GROWN. I DON'T THINK THAT THE. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S GROWN BECAUSE OF FRACTIONAL JET USE. 
          I'M. I'M LESS CONCERNED ABOUT THE HARDSCAPE OF THE GROWTH OF THE HARDSCAPE OF THE AIRPORT
AS I AM GROWTH IN USE AND TO THE TO THE. AND YES, GROWTH OF THE HARDSCAPE OF THE AIRPORT IMPACTS USE AND THERE
THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO GREATER CONSIDERATION AND EXPLAINED MORE. 
          WHEN PROPOSALS FOR HARDSCAPE COME UP, I MEAN,
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS GERMANE, BUT I WAS WATCHING THE LAST PROPOSAL, WHICH CAME FROM NETFLIX,
FROM NETJETS, ASKING FOR FOR THEIR OWN TERMINAL. 
          AND I THINK THE FIRST QUESTION THAT JOHN CREES ASKED THE PRESENTER WAS,
YOU KNOW, HOW IS THIS GOING TO IMPACT NETJETS VOLUME AT THE AIRPORT? IS THIS GOING TO INCREASE NETJETS USE AT THE AIRPORT? AND THE NETJETS GUY SAID, OH, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T CONSIDER THAT. 
          WE DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THAT. YOU KNOW, WE JUST WANT TO IMPROVE THE CUSTOMER EXPERIENCE AT
THE NAPLES CITY AIRPORT. 
          WELL, THAT PROPOSAL SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE NA BECAUSE IT DIDN'T VET THE CONSEQUENT. IT'S ITS OWN CONSEQUENCES. 
          AND WE SHOULDN'T BE HEARING PROPOSALS THAT DON'T ADEQUATELY VET THE,
THE, THE, THE CONSEQUENCES OF APPROVAL. 
          AND AND NEITHER SHOULD CITY COUNCIL. CITY COUNCIL SHOULDN'T BE PUT IN A POSITION WHERE
THEY, THEY HAVE A CHOICE, THAT THEY ARE NOT FULLY INFORMED ON A CHOICE BETWEEN THINGS THAT THEY HAVEN'T HAD INPUT ON IN THEIR IN THEIR FORMATION,
BECAUSE THAT JUST INVITES DISSENSION AND IT INVITES AND IT INVITES BAD CHOICES. SO I WOULD I WOULD REVISIT THE WAY. 
          THE WAY, THE COURSE, THE WAY THE COURSE IS SET FOR THE AIRPORT GOING FORWARD. 
          WELL LAST QUESTION. IT'S OKAY TO BE A FRIEND OF THE AIRPORT. 
          YEAH. ARE YOU A MEMBER OF FRIENDS OF THE AIRPORT? NO. OKAY. AND IT'S OKAY TO LIKE THE AIRPORT. WITH THAT,
I APPRECIATE YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE THE CITY IN ANOTHER CAPACITY. AND AS YOU KNOW, WE'LL MAKE OUR APPOINTMENTS ON WEDNESDAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. NEXT ON THE LIST,
I'D LIKE TO INVITE MICHAEL JOYCE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. JOYCE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE. 
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AGAIN, WE DO HAVE YOUR RESUME. IF THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIAL YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH US
ABOUT WHY YOU'RE APPLYING. 
          YEAH, I'LL DO THAT. LET ME JUST FIRST START BY. 
          I WANT TO ONE UP COUNCILMAN CRISPIN, I LIVE ON FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH,
BUT I ALSO PLAY GOLF AT NAPLES GRAND. 
          AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW IT, THAT'S THE FIELD. THAT'S THE GOLF COURSE RIGHT ON THE OTHER SIDE
OF THE AIRPORT. 
          SO I GET TO EXPERIENCE THE JOY OF NAPLES AIRPORT EVERY DAY THAT I'M IN NAPLES. 
          ALL RIGHT. AND I THINK PERSONAL EXPERIENCE REALLY MATTERS ON THIS,
THAT YOU HAVE TO REALLY TAKE IT IN. 
          MY MY BACKGROUND. AND WHAT I'LL TALK TO YOU ABOUT IS I'M NOT A PILOT,
BUT I PLAY GOLF WITH A COUPLE OF PILOTS. 
          SO I TRY AND GET THE INSIDE BASEBALL STORY ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE AIRPORT. 
          SO I CAN'T TALK TO THE PILOTS DETAILS, BUT I CAN TALK TO A LOT OF OTHER THINGS THAT I DO
HAVE EXPERIENCE WITH. 
          I'M AN ENGINEER BY TRAINING. I SPENT MY ENTIRE CAREER IN THE AEROSPACE AND DEFENSE
INDUSTRY. 
          MARVELOUS STUFF THAT I GOT TO WORK ON. I WAS ON THE TEAM THAT INTRODUCED THE BOEING 777
INTO COMMERCIAL SERVICE. 
          IN THAT EXPERIENCE, I GOT TO WORK WITH THE FAA A WHOLE LOT IN HOW WE GET AIRPLANES
CERTIFIED. 
          AND BECAUSE I CARE ABOUT THE STUFF, I ACTUALLY TOOK AN INTEREST IN. 
          WHAT'S THE HISTORY OF THE FAA? HOW IS THIS ALL WORK? HOW DOES THIS ALL HAPPEN? AND I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT WITH YOU,
BECAUSE IT INFORMS HOW I SEE THE WORLD AND HOW I MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT IT. 
          BUT I ALSO THEN WORKED AT LOCKHEED MARTIN AND MORE DEFENSE STUFF IN LOCKHEED MARTIN. 
          WE HAVE PRODUCTION FACILITIES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY THAT DO TEST FLIGHTS EVERY DAY. 
          SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH FLIGHT OPERATIONS. WE MAKE F-16S,
WE MAKE F-35S, WE MAKE C-130S. 
          AS WE'RE SITTING HERE TODAY, THEY'RE FLYING OVER RESIDENTIAL AREAS. 
          EVERY ONE OF THOSE ARE UNIQUE SITUATIONS THAT NEED TO BE SOLVED. 
          NO TWO ARE IDENTICAL. MY EXPERIENCE THOUGH, AS I HAVE YET TO FIND ONE OF THOSE EQUATIONS
TO BE SOLVED THAT REQUIRED ME TO GET CROSSWISE WITH THE FAA. I JUST HAVEN'T GOTTEN THERE YET, SO I BELIEVE YOU'RE NOT WORKING THE PROBLEM HARD
ENOUGH. 
          YOU THINK? AND YOU THINK YOU NEED THE FAA TO FIX IT FOR YOU. 
          YOU'RE DOWN THE WRONG PATH. COME ON BACK. WHAT OTHER THINGS CAN WE DO? THE FAA IS A SLOW MOVING, BUREAUCRATIC BODY. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO FIX THE PROBLEM FOR YOU. 
          AND IT MAY BE HANDCUFFS IS THE RIGHT WORD. MAYBE IT ISN'T,
BUT IT'S GOING TO PUSH YOU TO GET MORE CREATIVE, DO MORE THINGS. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I DISCOVERED WHEN I WORKED COMMERCIAL STUFF LIKE
THE BOEING PROGRAM, THE STANDARD THAT WE SAW WAS JOHN WAYNE AIRPORT IN CALIFORNIA. 
          AND SOME OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH JOHN WAYNE,
SOME NOT. 
          BUT FROM THE INDUSTRY SIDE, IF YOU COULD MEET JOHN WAYNE'S REQUIREMENTS,
YOU WERE HOME FREE. 
          THAT'S THE THAT'S THE BENCHMARK. SO I LOOKED AT JOHN WAYNE AND WHAT THEY'RE DOING,
AND I SEE THAT THEY'VE DONE SOME CLEVER STUFF. 
          AND AS I GET INTO IT A LITTLE MORE, I'LL SHARE WITH YOU WHAT HAVE THEY DONE. 
          BUT THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE AROUND THE COUNTRY NOODLING AND ALMOST THE SAME EXACT PROBLEM
THAT WE HAVE HERE AT NAPLES. 
          AND PART OF THE PROBLEM IS WE'RE TOO SUCCESSFUL,
WHICH TO ME, I CAN'T HELP THE IRONY OF IT. 
          WE STOOD THE THING UP BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE ANY MONEY AT IT. 
          WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO KEEP IT OPEN. WE SPLIT IT OFF,
AND NOW WE'RE BACK HERE SAYING, OH, GOSH, THEY'RE TOO SUCCESSFUL. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? GREAT. IT'S THE KIND OF PROBLEM YOU HAVE. THAT'S THE PROBLEM YOU WANT TO HAVE. I'D RATHER
HAVE THAT PROBLEM THAN THE ORIGINAL PROBLEM. LIKE, HOW ARE WE GOING TO KEEP THIS THING GOING? NOW IT'S EXPLOSIVE GROWTH. YOU ALL KNOW THAT. 
          YOU DEAL WITH IT EVERY DAY HERE IN THE CITY. IT NEEDS TO BE MANAGED. 
          THE THING I'M GOING TO PROBE OUT A LITTLE BIT. WHO HAS THEIR HANDS ON THIS THROTTLE? DOES NETJETS CONTROL THIS VOLUME OR DO WE CONTROL THIS VOLUME? BECAUSE NETJETS SEES A GOOD THING HERE. THEY'RE COMING. 
          I LOOKED AT THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN. YEAH, THEY GOT A GOOD BUSINESS MODEL. 
          AND I WOULD SAY ONE THING I'VE. I'VE TALKED TO MY PILOT FRIENDS,
BUT I DID HAVE SOME VERY GENEROUS NEIGHBORS WHO, OUT OF THEIR GENEROSITY, TOOK ME ON A NEXT FLIGHT OUT OF THE NAPLES AIRPORT. 
          AND GUESS WHAT? I LOVED IT. IT WAS GREAT. SO I'M NOT GOING TO BAD MOUTH THEM. 
          THEY KNOW THEY HAVE A GOOD PRODUCT HERE, BUT I LOOKED AT THEIR STRATEGIC INTENT. 
          THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN IS TAKE CARE OF THEIR SHAREHOLDERS. 
          THEY THINK THEY CAN MAKE MONEY HERE. GREAT. THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO LET THEM. 
          BUT IF WE WANT IT, WE GOT A READY PARTNER WITH MONEY THAT'S WILLING TO THROW IT IN THERE. 
          AND HE'S TRYING TO THROW MONEY AT US. AND WE'RE SITTING HERE GOING,
WHAT THE HELL DO WE DO WITH THIS? SO THAT'S THE KIND OF THE INTENT. 
          I'VE GONE THROUGH ALL YOUR THINGS. I'VE GONE THROUGH THE THINGS I'VE THOUGHT ABOUT A
LITTLE BIT AND WHERE I'VE KIND OF ARRIVED AT IS WHAT ARE THE BIG ISSUES AND WHAT DO WE GOT TO DO FORWARD? AND I PUT THEM INTO THEIR STRATEGIC BUDGET BUCKETS. 
          AND THERE'S ALSO TACTICAL, YOU KNOW, SO STRATEGIC IS LONG TERM,
BIGGER TACTICAL IS WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT NOISE TOMORROW? RIGHT. AND IF YOU LET ME JUST STOP THERE FOR A MINUTE AND SEE IF THIS IS MEETING WHAT YOUR
NEEDS ARE. 
          I DON'T HAVE TO WAIT FOR YOUR QUESTIONS. BUT IF I'M IF YOU NEED SOMETHING IN WHAT I'VE
ALREADY SAID, I A GOOD TIME TO GO OR I'LL JUST KEEP GOING. NO,
I IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO FINISH YOUR POINT, 
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I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. YEAH, I THINK IT IS TOO. 
          AND JUST. I GOT TO BUILD JUST A LITTLE IN COUNCILMAN HUTCHINSON'S TERMS,
MAYBE LAY SOME FOUNDATION HERE A LITTLE BIT MORE. 
          IT TAKES ONE SECOND. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WHEN WHEN I START TALKING ABOUT WHERE WE
SHOULD GO. 
          I GOT INTRIGUED BY THE FAA. WHO ARE THEY? ABOUT 100 YEARS AGO,
AIRPLANES WERE BRAND NEW, RIGHT? AND THEY WERE EXCITING. BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY WERE ALSO DANGEROUS. 
          AND THEY WERE NOISY. AND ANYBODY WHO TELLS YOU AIRPLANES NOT NOISY OR JETS NOT NOISY
EITHER, HAS NEVER SEEN ONE, OR THEY'RE TRYING TO USE THAT AS THE EXCUSE TO DO NOTHING. 
          THEY'RE TOO NOISY. WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING. JUST WRONG. 
          THEY'RE NOISY. YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE NOISE. THE INDUSTRY KNOWS THAT. THAT'S WHY THERE
ARE STANDARDS AND BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH THAT WE MEASURE ALL THE TIME BECAUSE IT HAS TO BE MANAGED. ALL RIGHT, SO THE FAA. WHAT WHAT HAPPENED? WELL, BACK IN THE 20S, THE FIRST INTERACTION OF OF AIRPLANES AND PEOPLE MAKING MONEY WAS
IT STARTED WITH LIKE BARNSTORMERS. 
          IT WAS KIND OF A LITTLE WILD, WILD WEST. AND SOME PEOPLE WERE SAYING,
YOU KNOW, WE COULD MAKE THIS A VIABLE TRANSPORTATION INDUSTRY, BUT WE CAN'T AFFORD TO BE KILLING PEOPLE, RIGHT? BECAUSE IF IT'S NOT SAFE, THEY'RE NEVER GOING TO DO IT. 
          SO WHAT THE INDUSTRY DID IS THEY PETITIONED THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT BACK IN THE 1920S
SAYING, WE NEED YOUR HELP. WE NEED SOME REGULATION HERE. 
          WE CAN'T HAVE PEOPLE BUILDING AIRPLANES IN THEIR GARAGES. 
          AND THEN THE WINGS FELL OFF AND PEOPLE DIE. WE GOT TO HAVE SOME CONTROLS. 
          SO WHAT CONTROLS DO WE PUT IN PLACE? THEY CREATED SOMETHING CALLED THE CAA THAT BECAME THE
FAA. 
          IT DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE IT GOT CREATED OUT OF COALITIONS WITH PEOPLE SAYING,
HEY, WE CAN MANAGE THIS, LET'S GO AFTER THIS. THEY STARTED MEASURING DEATHS PER 100,000 MILES OF FLIGHT. 
          THEY KNEW THE OBJECTIVE WAS TO BRING THAT NUMBER DOWN. 
          SO THEY STARTED DOING A LITTLE MORE STRUCTURED PROBLEM SOLVING OF LET'S BRING THIS NUMBER
DOWN. 
          AND THEN THEY WOULD START WRITING SOME REGULATIONS HOW TO GET IT DOWN. THEN WORLD WAR TWO
HAPPENED, AND THEN THE 50S CAME AND THEY GOT BACK ON THE STICK. 
          NOW MORE VOLUME GOES TO THE WAR EFFORT. IT FEELS LIKE THIS ONE INTO PLAY. 
          AND THEY CONCLUDED WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH GOOD RESOURCES TO DO THIS. SO THEY CREATED
SOMETHING CALLED THE NTSB NATIONAL TRANSPORTATION SAFETY BOARD. 
          WHAT'S THEIR JOB? THEIR JOB IS TO DO VERY DISCIPLINED PROBLEM SOLVING. 
          SO THEY PUT SOME RULES IN PLACE. LIKE EVERY TIME SOMETHING DOESN'T GO ACCORDING TO THE
PLAN, THERE HAS TO BE REPORTED TO THE TO THE FAA. IF IT'S IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S,
YOU KNOW, JUST AN INCIDENT, THEY'LL ANALYZE IT. IF IT'S LIFE LOSS OR A LOT OF PROPERTY DAMAGE. 
          THERE IS A TEAM THAT IS DEPLOYED IMMEDIATELY TO THE SITE TO COLLECT EVIDENCE. 
          RIGHT. WE SEE THESE PEOPLE THAT JUST SHOWED UP HERE FOR THE LIFE LOSS THAT OCCURRED HERE. 
          THEY'RE SHOWING UP WITH DISCIPLINED PROBLEM SOLVING TECHNIQUES. 
          PART OF THAT IS GO TO WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED. 
          FIND THE ACTUAL EVIDENCE. TRUST NO ONE. SEE FOR YOURSELF. 
          AND THIS IS IMPORTANT THAT YOU GET THERE IN A TIMELY FASHION BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOOD AT
REMEMBERING STUFF. 
          SO BE THERE THE DAY IT HAPPENED. SO WHY IS THAT? I'LL GIVE YOU A SIMPLE ILLUSTRATION. LET ME ASK YOU SOMETHING. 
          WHAT DID YOU HAVE FOR DINNER LAST NIGHT? OKAY,
GREAT, I THINK I GOT IT. 
          WHAT DID YOU HAVE FOR DINNER LAST NIGHT? 30 DAYS AGO? IT'S LIKE. NOT SO GOOD. THEY KNOW THAT. THEY KNOW BEHAVIOR. 
          THEY KNOW PROBLEM SOLVING AND NO DISCIPLINE. THEY KNOW THEY GOT TO BE HERE. 
          AND THEN THEY GET HERE AND SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT IF WE KNEW WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS AIRPLANE? THEY INVENTED THINGS LIKE
THE BLACK BOX. 
          I MEAN, THIS THIS DIDN'T JUST APPEAR ALL OF A SUDDEN. 
          IT WAS MY CONSCIOUS ACT OF DESIGN BECAUSE THEY WERE DRIVEN TO A GOAL. 
          WE GOT TO GET TO ZERO. AND IN OUR LIFETIMES,
THE NUMBER CAME DOWN, THE NUMBER CAME DOWN, THE NUMBER CAME DOWN. 
          AND THEN SURPRISING TO ME, 2009 NO DEATHS IN COMMERCIAL TRANSPORT,
NO DEATHS UNTIL THIS YEAR WHEN WE HAD THAT TRAGEDY IN WASHINGTON DC. 
          AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER TRAGEDY IN ALASKA WHERE TEN PEOPLE DIED,
I THINK 63 PEOPLE IN DC, TEN PEOPLE IN ALASKA. AND WE WERE ALL SHOCKED OF HOW HORRIBLE IS THIS? BUT WE HAD A 15 YEAR RUN OF NO DEATHS IN COMMERCIAL FLIGHTS,
MIND NUMBING AND MIND MIND THAT THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE IN THIS COUNTRY, DONE BY DISCIPLINE, PROBLEM SOLVING, BY TRAINED PROFESSIONALS WHO DO THEIR JOB. 
          THERE'S ONLY ABOUT 300 EMPLOYEES WHO DO THE NTSB INVESTIGATIONS FOR THE WHOLE COUNTRY,
AND THEY'RE RESPONSIBLE IN BIG PART FOR GETTING US TO WHERE WE ARE IN THIS CASE. 
          ALL RIGHT, LET'S LEARN FROM THAT. SO WHAT I GET INFORMED WITH THAT TO THE SPECIFICS WE
HAVE HERE. 
          DON'T MOVE. THE AUTHORITY OF PROBLEM SOLVING FROM HERE TO THE COUNTY. 
          GIANT STEP IN THE WRONG DIRECTION BECAUSE IT PULLS PROXIMITY AWAY FROM THE PROBLEM THAT
WE'RE WE'RE DEALING WITH. 
          AND THE PEOPLE WHO COULD SOLVE IT. AND IF YOU START SOLVING IT OVER HERE AND THEN OVER
HERE AND THEN OVER HERE, WHAT PROBLEM IN LIVING WITH IT EVERY DAY THAT'S GOING TO KEEP YOU. 
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SO I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT. DON'T CLOSE THE AIRPORT. 
          WE DON'T NEED TO CLOSE THE AIRPORT. IT WAS STUDIED. 
          IT JUST DOESN'T LIVE UP TO THE PAST. THE TEST. 
          SO LET'S NOT CLOSE THE AIRPORT. LET ME JUMP IN THAT FOR A SECOND,
IF I COULD, TO THE STRATEGY AND THE TACTICS OTHER THAN THE BIG THINGS. BUT I'LL STOP THERE AGAIN, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS YOU WANT ME TO CLARIFY
ANYTHING ON? NOPE. JUST WANT TO GET TO THEIR QUESTIONS. YEAH,
I'LL TAKE YOUR QUESTIONS AT THE TIME, BUT I THINK I'LL ANSWER A LOT OF THEM ALONG THE WAY. 
          SO LET'S START WITH STRATEGY. FIRST. BIG PICTURE LONG TERM. 
          NUMBER ONE, CHANGE THE MISSION STATEMENT OF THIS AIRPORT TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO THE CITY
OF NAPLES. 
          PUT IT RIGHT THERE AFTER SAFETY. AND EVERYBODY IN THE ORGANIZATION IS GOING TO SALUTE THAT
MISSION AND INFORM THEMSELVES EVERY DAY THAT I CAN DECIDE A OR B, I CAN GO LEFT, OR I COULD GO RIGHT. WHICH ONE SATISFIES THE MISSION BETTER. 
          AND RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT CLEAR THAT THAT'S THE MISSION OF THE AIRPORT. 
          LET'S CHANGE THAT. THE NEXT STEP DOWN THEN IS WE GOT TO SHARPEN THE STRATEGIC PLANNING
PROCESS. 
          IT'S NOT MATURE ENOUGH WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. AND THE INTERACTION WITH YOU GUYS AND GALS IS
NOT WHERE IT NEEDS TO BE. 
          SO MAYBE FORMALLY, THERE SHOULD BE A ONCE A YEAR TOUCH POINT WHERE WE SAY,
WHAT IS THE UTILIZATION PLAN? WHAT IS THE CAPACITY? WHERE ARE WE GOING WITH THIS? BECAUSE THESE ARE NOT TRIVIAL, EASY QUESTIONS THAT YOU'RE ASKING. 
          THEY'RE HARD. THE UTILIZATION PLAN, YOU KNOW,
MAY ASK YOU DO I I'M FAMILIAR WITH IT. 
          YEAH. IT'S A HORNET'S NEST, ISN'T IT? IT'S NOT CLEAR WHAT WE SHOULD DO. 
          SO NEXT COMES IN AND SAID, HERE'S 10 MILLION BUCKS. WHAT DO YOU WANT TO DO WITH IT? I
DON'T KNOW, WE CAN'T WE CAN'T BE SAYING THAT WE WE OUGHT TO BE IN FRONT OF IT. 
          SHOULD WE WORK WITH THE FAA? YES, WE SHOULD WORK WITH THE FAA. 
          SHOULD WE TAKE GRANTS? YES, WE SHOULD TAKE GRANTS. BUT THEY CAN'T. 
          THEY CAN'T. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO HANDCUFF IF WE DO. 
          MAYBE. MAYBE NOT. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT A WAY TO NOT GET HANDCUFFED. 
          SO THAT SECOND BIG STRATEGY. THIRD ONE IS ORGANIZATION CHANGE. 
          ADD AN OFFICE AT THE DIRECTOR LEVEL REPORTING DIRECTLY INTO CHRIS THAT TAKES ALL OF THESE
THINGS ON STRATEGIC PLANNING, ANALYSIS NOISE ABATEMENT, ALL THE THINGS THAT WE COME UP WITH BECAUSE ALL OF THESE IDEAS
THAT HAVE BEEN KICKING AROUND AND THEY'RE ALL GOOD, MAN, ARE THEY HARD. YOU GOT TO WORK THEM. SOMEBODY GOT TO TAKE IT ON AND SAY,
YES, THAT'S MY FULL TIME JOB. 
          I'M GOING TO DO THAT. THINK NTSB AND THE AIRPORT HAS MONEY. 
          THEY CAN HIRE PEOPLE. WHAT ARE WE SPENDING THE MONEY ON? I'D RATHER SPEND IT ON THIS. I THINK THAT'S GOING TO GET US TO WHERE WE WHAT WE NEED TO
GO. 
          SO THAT'S AT THE STRATEGY LEVEL. NOW LET'S JUMP RIGHT DOWN TO THE TACTICS NOISE. 
          MY FIRST OBSERVATION ON NOISE. THERE'S TWO TWO PARTS OF IT. 
          ONE IS UTILIZATION. WE SAID WE DON'T WANT TO FLY AT NIGHT. 
          WE DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO FLY AT NIGHT. AND WHAT? GUESS WHAT? VOLUNTARILY 90, 98% SAID, YEAH. I'M IN. 
          OKAY, GREAT. TURNS OUT IT'S NOT THAT HARD TO BE IN IF YOU'RE IN THE BUSINESS BECAUSE
YOU'RE FLYING PEOPLE. 
          MOST PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO FLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. NOW,
IN THE INDUSTRY, THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THE FREIGHT TRAFFIC ACTUALLY TAKES UP THE AIRSPACE, BECAUSE FREIGHTERS DON'T MIND GOING AT NIGHT,
BUT PEOPLE DON'T LIKE IT, SO MOST COMPANIES DON'T WANT TO DO IT 98%. 
          GREAT. WE GOT A NEW MISSION. WE'RE GOING TO BE PERFECT NEIGHBORS TO THE CITY OF NAPLES. 
          THE GOAL IS 100. WE'RE GOING FOR 100 HERE, AND TO GET FROM 98 TO 100 IS A DIFFERENT
QUESTION. 
          SO IN THE WORDS OF GOOD PROBLEM SOLVING. SOME PROBLEMS YOU CAN SOLVE LIKE THIS. 
          SOME PROBLEMS YOU GOT TO SOLVE LIKE THIS. SO LET'S START HERE. 
          98% OKAY, GOOD. I GOT US TO HERE. NOW WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? I WOULD SAY TAKE ON THE HABITUAL OFFENDERS FIRST. 
          PEOPLE WHO JUST SIGNAL THEY DON'T WANT TO BE ON TEAM NAPLES. 
          THEY DON'T CARE WHAT YOU THINK. THEY'RE SHOWING UP. 
          ALL RIGHT, TAKE THEM ON. SO I LOOKED IT UP A LITTLE BIT,
AND I SAW SOMETHING CLEVER THAT JOHN WAYNE AIRPORT DID. 
          THEY WENT IN AND LOOKED AT THE NOISE ORDINANCE AT NIGHT IS TIGHTER THAN THE DAY. 
          THEY ADDED A FIVE DECIBEL PENALTY FOR NIGHT OPERATIONS. 
          AND IF YOU VIOLATED THAT THREE TIMES IN THREE YEARS,
YOU WERE BANNED FROM AIRPORT UTILIZATION FOR THREE YEARS. 
          OKAY. SO THEY ACCOMMODATED THE ONE OFF SKI GUY WHO GOT TRAPPED IN A SNOWSTORM. 
          FINE. BUT IF YOU WERE TRAPPED IN A SNOWSTORM EVERY MONTH AND IT SHOWS UP,
YOU KNOW, FOUR MONTHS IN A ROW. 
          OKAY, YOU JUST CLICKED THE THING. YOU'RE OUT FOR THREE MONTHS. 
          FOR THREE YEARS NOW. SOMEHOW THE FAA WENT ALONG WITH THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW. SO IT'S NOT THAT LET'S JUST GO DO WHAT THEY DID. 
          IT'S THAT IN YOUR MIND. GET IN YOUR MIND. THIS IS DOABLE. 
          THERE IS A CRACK HERE. YOU CAN PURSUE SOMETHING LIKE THIS. 
          I HEARD IN INTERVIEWS LIKE THIS, I THINK IT WAS LAST YEAR. 
          ONE PERSON SAID, YOU KNOW, WE WILL RUN THE FBO. 
          WE DON'T ADVERTISE. IT'S OPEN AT NIGHT. WHY DON'T WE JUST NOT HAVE THE FENCE OPEN WHEN
THESE HABITUAL LANDERS SHOW UP? AND THE ONLY WAY OFF THE PROPERTY IS YOU GOT TO CALL THE SHERIFF,
AND HE'S THREE HOURS AND HE'LL BE THERE, AND THEN MAYBE THAT'LL TWEAK THEIR BEHAVIOR THAT SAYS,
MAYBE THAT WASN'T SUCH A GOOD IDEA TO JUST PLOP IN THERE AT ONE IN THE MORNING. 
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I DON'T KNOW, BUT I DO KNOW THAT, OKAY, THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. 
          LET'S PURSUE THAT ONE. ANOTHER ONE. AND IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE WORKING THIS EVERY DAY,
ANOTHER ONE, ANOTHER ONE, AND WE'RE NOT DONE UNTIL WE GET TO ZERO. 
          AND I HOPE IT'S NOT 1930 TO 2019 TO GET US THERE. 
          BUT I GOT TO THINK WE CAN COME DOWN THIS CURVE PRETTY GOOD. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? YEAH, I JUST WANT TO COMMENT ON THAT. 
          AND THANKS FOR BEING HERE. IT WAS GREAT. WE GOT TO MEET AND SPEND A LOT OF TIME TOGETHER.
ACTUALLY IN OUR MEETING, WHEN YOU TALKED TO ME ABOUT JOHN WAYNE THAT I HAD,
I DUG INTO THIS A BUNCH. 
          I MEAN, A BUNCH BEFORE I CAME ON COUNCIL, AND I REMEMBER I EVEN TOLD YOU. 
          I SAID, I CAN'T REMEMBER. IT'S RINGING A BELL. YOU KNOW WHAT THE DEAL IS? AND THE DEAL
WITH JOHN WAYNE IS THIS. 
          AND A CURSORY BIT OF RESEARCH IN ANY AI MODEL OR JUST ANY SEARCH ENGINE WILL SHOW YOU THAT THOSE RESTRICTIONS WERE PUT IN PLACE BEFORE ANCA AT JOHN WAYNE AND
SINCE THEN. SO THEY WERE GRANDFATHERED IN. AND SINCE ANCA,
THERE'S LOTS OF OTHER AIRPORTS THAT HAVE TRIED ALL KINDS OF THINGS TO DO THE EXACT SAME STUFF OR SIMILAR. ANY KIND OF RESTRICTIONS. AND WHAT'S WILD IS,
AND I THINK KIND OF COOL WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SUCCESS RATE OF ANYBODY TRYING TO DO THAT, IT'S NEARLY 0.0001%. AND THE ONLY ONE EXCEPTION IS CITY OF NAPLES THAT BANNED THOSE
STAGE TWOS. THAT'S THE ONLY EXCEPTION IN HISTORY. SO I THINK IT'S NOT RELEVANT OR GERMANE OR
PRODUCTIVE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT JOHN WAYNE DID. 
          SINCE ALL THE RESEARCH, ALL THE DATA IS SHOWING THAT THEY ARE AN EXCEPTION,
AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER AIRPORTS THAT HAVE EXCEPTIONS TO BEFORE. 
          BUT TO TALK ABOUT THINGS. PRIYANKA AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT UP BECAUSE IN OUR
CONVERSATIONS, I WOULDN'T HAVE DONE THE DIGGING OTHERWISE. THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. 
          THAT'S THAT'S NOT FRUITFUL OR PRODUCTIVE TO TRY TO SIMULATE WHAT THEY'RE DOING. 
          NOW, I DO THINK THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO. AND THE FACT THAT THE MAYOR HAD MENTIONED
EARLIER ABOUT IF WE TRY TO BAND THE NEXT STAGE, HOW WHAT PUSHBACK WE'RE GOING TO GET. BUT THE SAME THINGS WERE SAID WHEN WE WERE TALKING
ABOUT THE LAST TIME WE TRIED TO RESTRICT THOSE JET ENGINES, AND OVER TIME, WE GOT IT DONE. AND SO IT'S COOL THAT WE SET PRECEDENT IN THE PAST,
BUT I THINK THAT GIVES US IMPETUS AND SOME MOMENTUM TO DO IT MOVING FORWARD AS WE TRY TO WORK TOGETHER WITH THE FAA TO QUIET THINGS DOWN. 
          THANKS. YEAH. YEAH. MR. JOYCE A COUPLE TAKEAWAYS FROM WHAT YOU'VE JUST SAID. NUMBER ONE, YOU'RE NOT A PILOT YET. YOU'VE BEEN ENGAGED IN COMPLEX MATTERS WHICH
REQUIRE SOLUTIONS. 
          SO THAT'S COMING THROUGH VERY CLEARLY ON YOUR BACKGROUND. 
          YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH USING DATA TO GATHER FACTS AND SOLVE PROBLEMS. I'M TAKING THAT AWAY. YOU MENTIONED PROXIMITY TO SOLVING PROBLEMS. HAS TREMENDOUS MERIT. THAT RESONATES WITH ME. 
          I THINK IT RESONATES WITH MANY IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND THEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE STRATEGIC PLANNING PROCESS NEEDING ANOTHER LOOK AT THE
NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY TAKING STRATEGY, BOILING IT DOWN TO TACTICS AND USING THE TACTIC TACTICS TO SOLVE REAL ISSUES. 
          SO REGARDLESS OF THE OUTCOME ON YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE IN THIS CAPACITY,
AND I HOPE YOU DO WELL, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU I WANT YOU MY ASK IS THAT YOU STAY ENGAGED IN THIS PROCESS AND YOU
FIND A WAY TO SERVE ON THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. CHRISTIAN. GO AHEAD,
GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. MIKE, THANK YOU FOR APPLYING. 
          YOU AND I HAD A LONG CONVERSATION LAST WEEK,
AND WHERE I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT YOU AND AND YOUR IDEAS, AND I APPRECIATED THAT VERY MUCH. THE THE I GUESS I'LL MAKE A COMMENT THAT,
YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO, TO, TO RESPOND TO JUST TO GIVE US A BETTER IDEA OF YOUR VIEW
AND PHILOSOPHY. 
          YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN ON CITY COUNCIL NOW FOR NEARLY SEVEN YEARS AND AS FAR AS THE AIRPORT
IS CONCERNED AND TRYING TO. 
          DEVELOP A COMMON STRATEGY FOR ADDRESSING THE ISSUES THAT ARE IN FRONT OF US AS A
COMMUNITY, WHICH LARGELY HAVE TO DO WITH VOLUME AND GROWTH AND THE EXTERNAL 
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NEGATIVE EXTERNALITIES ARISING FROM THAT LARGELY NOISE. 
          I WOULD SAY IN THAT WHOLE SEVEN YEAR PERIOD AS,
AS, AS IT REGARDS DEVELOPING A STRATEGY AND A COMMON APPROACH BETWEEN THE NAR AND CITY COUNCIL. WE HAVE MADE ZERO PROGRESS. 
          ZERO SEVEN YEARS AND AND I MET YOU KNOW, YOU CAN POINT TO DIFFERENT BENCHMARKS ALONG THE
WAY, BUT FOR WHATEVER REASONS, AT EACH OF THOSE KEY BENCHMARKS OR MILESTONES,
WE WE FAILED TO COME TOGETHER. I MENTIONED IN ONE OF MY QUESTIONS TO AN EARLIER CANDIDATE,
JUST IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR, WHEN REPRESENTATIVES LEADERSHIP OF THE NAR CAME FORWARD AND PROPOSED A THREE PART LOBBYING STRATEGY THAT WE COULD PURSUE. AND THERE WAS DOUBT AND RESISTANCE FROM SOME MEMBERS OF THIS COUNCIL, AND IT JUST FADED AWAY AGAIN,
YOU KNOW, AND NOTHING EMERGED FROM IT BECAUSE TO GET ANYTHING DONE YOU KNOW, I'VE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT AIRPORTS. 
          I STILL WON'T CONSIDER MYSELF THE WORLD'S GREATEST EXPERT,
BUT I'VE LEARNED A LOT ABOUT AIRPORTS AND AIRPORT GOVERNANCE IN MY TIME HERE AND A LITTLE BIT IN MY PROFESSIONAL CAREER BEFORE THAT. BUT I DO KNOW A LOT ABOUT LOBBYING,
BECAUSE I'VE DONE THAT PROFESSIONALLY, BOTH AT THE FEDERAL AND STATE LEVEL ON COMPLEX ISSUES. 
          AND THE ONLY WAY YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL WITH LOBBYING IS BY HAVING A CLEAR SET OF GOALS AND A
SUSTAINED EFFORT. 
          AND SUSTAINED CAN MEAN YEARS. AND THAT MAY TURN PEOPLE OFF AT THE FRONT END. 
          WE'LL HAVE TO WAIT THAT LONG. WHAT DOES IT MATTER? SO, YOU KNOW, MY VIEW IS THAT WE NEED TO HAVE AN EFFORT IN WASHINGTON. 
          AND THERE ALSO ARE THINGS THAT PERHAPS WE CAN DO LOCALLY BY PUSHING THE ENVELOPE A BIT,
OR DOING THINGS WITHIN THE LATITUDE THAT THE FAA ALREADY GIVES US. AND I THINK WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT WITH SOME OF
THE WE'RE WORKING WITH THE FAA ON, ON, ON LOCAL THINGS LIKE THE FLIGHT PATH OPTIMIZATION AND THINGS OF THAT SORT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, MY VIEW IS IT'S NOT ONE OR THE OTHER. 
          IT'S BOTH. IF IT'S NEITHER, THEN WHERE ARE YOU? I MEAN, THEN THERE'S THERE IS NO STRATEGY. YOU'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING. 
          YOU'VE KIND OF GIVEN UP. SO I APOLOGIZE FOR THE LONG PREAMBLE THERE,
BUT I'D LIKE TO PROBE A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO. 
          YOU OFFERED A LOT OF IDEAS. YOU SEEM TO BE DOUBTFUL ABOUT HAVING ANY HOPE OF SUCCESS
WORKING WITH THE FAA. 
          BUT TELL US A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT ACTUALLY ACCOMPLISH CHANGE. 
          WELL, LET ME PICK UP ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT FLIGHT PATH,
WHICH I THINK IS ANOTHER CRITICAL ELEMENT OF THE ISSUE IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT FLIGHT PATH,
THERE'S ONLY TWO PLAYERS. 
          IT'S THE FAA AND IT'S THE PILOT. THAT'S IT. SO WHAT CAN YOU DO WITHIN THERE THAT SATISFIES
THE FAA, KEEPS THE PILOT COMFORTABLE AND ENGAGED, BUT ALSO INCENTIVIZES THEM. 
          AND THIS IS THE PART WE HAVEN'T DONE YET. SOMEBODY COMMENTED BEFORE. 
          ONCE YOU DECIDE THE AIRPORT IS GOING TO BE HERE,
NOW YOU'VE GOT A LINE IN THE SAND. YOU SAY, WHAT IS THE PILOT'S BEHAVIOR? I ASKED THE FLIGHT CONTROLLER WHEN I VISITED THE TOWER. AND
BY THE WAY, CHRIS TOLD ME IT'S A GREAT IT WAS A GREAT TOUR AND A GREAT TEAM OVER THERE. 
          I TALKED TO THE FLIGHT CONTROLLER WOMAN AND I SAID,
HOW FAR OUT DO THESE JETS WANT TO LINE UP? SHE SAID, TEN MILES. RIGHT. SO THERE'S A TEN MILE STRAIGHT LINE. 
          AND JUST THE NATURE OF HOW AIRPLANES WORK. HE'S COME IN AT FLIGHT IDLE. 
          HE'S TRYING TO SLOW DOWN. HE'S NOT MOVING AROUND. 
          HE'S DEAD STRAIGHT. HE'S GOING FOR THAT DOT AND HE'S NOT BUDGING OFTEN. 
          NOW YOU CAN GET HIM TO COME DOWN A LITTLE STEEPER AND DO THE MATH OF TEN MILES OUT. 
          YOU'RE HIGHER UP. AND THERE'S NO DOUBT IN THE SCIENCE. 
          IF YOU'RE HIGHER UP, THE NOISE IS LESS. HIGHER UP IS YOUR FRIEND. 
          YOU MUST MAKE IT HAPPEN IF YOU'RE GOING TO REDUCE THE NOISE. 
          OKAY, THAT JUST WORKED. BUT I THINK IT TOOK US TILL,
LIKE NOW, BEFORE WE'RE EVEN TALKING ABOUT IMPLEMENTING IT. 
          RIGHT? AND THEN SOMEBODY MADE THIS SUGGESTION AND I'M GOING TO PICK ON THIS ONE TOO. 
          THEN ANYBODY ON THAT LINE, YOU SHOULD GO AFTER THEM TO GO DO A NOISE ABATEMENT PROGRAM. 
          AND WE SHOULD BE LOBBYING THE COUNTY AND THE STATE TO GIVE US MONEY,
AND MAYBE THE FAA, TO PUT A POOL OF MONEY TOGETHER TO SAY, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE AVIATION BETTER FOR ALL THESE HOMES THAT ARE ON THIS LINE THAT WE
CANNOT MOVE. NOW, 
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HERE, IT'S BACK TO PROBLEM SOLVING. OH, SORRY. 
          HERE'S HER BACK. IT'S BACK TO PROBLEM SOLVING. 
          I'LL GO BACK TO CALIFORNIA, THOUGH. AND I KNOW I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERNS,
AND I'LL ADDRESS THEM A LITTLE BIT. 
          BUT GO BACK TO WHAT YOU SEE AT JOHN WAYNE AIRPORT. 
          THEY DID PUT A PROGRAM TOGETHER. THEY HAD 45,
435 HOUSES THAT THEY LINED UP. 
          405 SAID YES AND DID IT. BUT IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR AN EXCUSE TO DO NOTHING,
YOU'RE GOING TO SAY SIX PEOPLE SAID, I WANT TO BE OUTSIDE AND IT'S NOT GOING TO HELP ME. 
          SO THE ANSWER IS NO AND I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT. 
          I FOUND MY REASON TO DO NOTHING. NEXT, NO 400 PEOPLE WERE ON THE PLUS SIDE OF THAT. 
          DID IT GET THEM ALL? NO. DO YOU STILL HAVE DETRACTORS? YES. BUT I KNOCKED DOWN THE PROBLEM. I NOTCHED DOWN THE PROBLEM. 
          I'M GOING TO DO IT. SO I THINK WE GOT TO GET SERIOUS ABOUT IT. 
          IF YOU'RE ON THAT LINE, WE'RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING WE CAN AND WE GOT TO GO FIND SOME
MONEY. 
          LET'S GO LOBBY TO GET SOME MONEY TO FUND THAT PROGRAM. 
          WELL, I AGREE, AND BY THE WAY, I IN MY OWN RESEARCH,
I AGREE 100% WITH WHAT COUNCILMAN CRAMER SAID, THAT, YOU KNOW, THE JOHN WAYNE AIRPORT SUCCESS MODEL IS LARGELY INITIATIVES THAT WERE
UNDERTAKEN BEFORE, AND I WON'T SAY 100%, BUT LARGELY AT LEAST. AND IT'S IT'S MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO DO IT
NOW. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT TO TRY AND WE'VE GOT TO IDENTIFY CLEAR GOALS AND, AND AND WHEN I SAY WE IT'S GOT TO BE AN NA CITY COUNCIL JOINT EFFORT. 
          THE HEAVY LIFTING GOES ON, IN MY OPINION, AT THE NA. 
          BUT THE CITY COUNCIL HAS TO BE PERCEIVED BY BOTH THE COMMUNITY AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
AS BEING IN LOCKSTEP WITH THE NA. 
          NAH. AND THAT'S AND WE AND THOSE ARE THE, THE CRITICAL INGREDIENT. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE TO SPEND THE MONEY TO ENGAGE THE PEOPLE WHO CAN HAVE THE INFLUENCE
WHEREVER YOU'RE TRYING, WHOEVER YOU'RE TRYING TO INFLUENCE, IN THIS CASE,
THE FAA THOSE ARE THE IT'S PRETTY SIMPLE IN, IN BROAD BRUSH FORM, BUT VERY DIFFICULT TO EXECUTE. 
          BUT THOSE ARE THE ELEMENTS THAT WE'VE WE'VE NEVER HAD IN PLACE. 
          AND I THINK A LOT OF YOUR EXAMPLES, WHICH I APPRECIATE,
ARE THINGS THAT COULD BE POTENTIALLY PURSUED AND IMPLEMENTED AND MAY MAKE IN AGGREGATE A DIFFERENCE. AND BUT IT'S, IT'S A MATTER OF HAVING HERE AT THE LOCAL LEVEL,
THE POLITICAL WILL TO DO SO, NO DOUBT. AND LET ME JUST ADD ONE OTHER JUST TO FINISH THE LOOP ON,
ON ON THE FLIGHT PATH. 
          THE OTHER FLIGHT PATH IS CLIMBING OUT OF HERE. WE'RE GETTING OUT OF HERE. 
          AND YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO WE GOT TO DEFINE THE PROBLEM A LOT MORE,
WITH A LOT MORE SPECIFICITY THAN WE'VE DONE SO FAR. 
          I LOOKED AT THE RUNWAY, THE END OF THE RUNWAY. 
          WHEN YOU'RE HEADING SOUTH WEST, THE PILOTS DOING ABOUT 150 MILES AN HOUR. 
          WHEN HE'S ON THE END OF THAT RUNWAY, IT'S A MILE AND A HALF BEFORE YOU'RE ON THE THE
YOU'RE AT THE GULF. 
          ALL RIGHT, DO THE MATH. IT'S ABOUT 30S OF FLIGHT TIME. 
          SO YOU'VE GOT 30 TO 40S OF FLIGHT TIME WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO ASK THIS PILOT TO CLIMB UP
HIGH OR DISPERSE. 
          I COULD SEE WHY DON'T WE USE TECHNOLOGY TO SAY I KNOW EXACTLY THE SPOT IN THE SKY I WANT
YOU TO HIT? IT'S RIGHT THERE. AND NOW I'M GOING TO USE AN AI ALGORITHM. 
          AND I'M GOING TO TELL THE ALGORITHM, NEVER FLY THE SAME LINE TWICE IN AN HOUR AND PICK ME
A LINE. 
          ALL RIGHT. LESS NOISE. IMPACT BY MORE VOLUME. 
          COMING. NEVER FLY DOWN FIFTH WHEN WE'RE DUE. CARS ON FIFTH ONLY FLY BETWEEN THIRD AND
SIXTH. 
          OKAY, THE ALGORITHM CAN TELL YOU THAT. NOW YOU'VE GOT TO GET THE PILOT TO DO IT. 
          I WOULD SAY LET'S INCENTIVIZE THE PILOT, THAT IF HE HITS THE MARKS EVERY TIME FOR A MONTH, HE GETS A $500 GIFT CERTIFICATE TO GO TO THE RESTAURANTS IN DOWNTOWN NAPLES. 
          RIGHT. SO NOW I GOT THEIR ATTENTION. THEY WANT TO DO IT. 
          OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WE'VE GOT THE MONEY TO DO IT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO LOBBY FOR THE MONEY. THEY HAVE THE MONEY ON THE. 
          IT'S ON THE BALANCE SHEET OF THE AIRPORT. SO JUST THAT THOUGHT ABOUT. 
          COME ON, LET'S NOT GIVE UP. THERE'S THINGS WE CAN BE DOING. 
          WHY AREN'T WE DOING THIS? AND I DO DO DO RESPECT THAT. 
          JOHN HASN'T SOLVED EVERYTHING, BUT THEY CLIMB OUT AT 2500 UP TO,
YOU KNOW, AT 25 DEGREE CLIMB OUT. 
          WE'RE 10 TO 15. I THINK WE'VE ADDRESSED THE DOWN,
BUT IT TOOK US TILL NOW. 
          LET'S GET AGGRESSIVE ON THE OUT. CAN WE GET WHAT THEY GOT? I DON'T KNOW. WAS THAT UNDER THE UMBRELLA LIKE YOU SAID IT WAS BEFORE? I DON'T KNOW, BUT LET'S FIND OUT BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'RE DOING IT SO SOMEBODY CAN DO IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. I APPRECIATE YOUR RESPONSES. AND AND I'M COMPLETE MAYOR. 
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THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN. I UNDERSTAND THAT REALLY HAS TO DO WITH THE EXHAUST OF
THE THE PLANE. THAT'S WHERE THE NOISE COMES FROM. 
          IN YOUR EXPERIENCE OR YOUR KNOWLEDGE, IF EXHAUST IS THE PROBLEM,
A CAN A PILOT TAKE HIS PLANE IN AND HAVE THAT RETROFIT TO REDUCE THE NOISES COMING FROM THE EXHAUST? OR MUST HE BUY A NEW PLANE? AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN ENORMOUS EXPENSE. 
          SO DO YOU KNOW WHETHER OR NOT YOU CAN RETROFIT THE PLANE SO THAT THE EXHAUST THAT IS
TERRIBLY NOISY NOW, AND FROM WHAT I'VE READ, THAT'S WHERE ALL THE NOISE COMES FROM. 
          CAN WE RETROFIT THOSE? CAN WE ADJUST THOSE SOMEHOW? WELL, FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD SAY FROM MY EXPERIENCE,
THE NOISE IS NOT MOSTLY THE EXHAUST. 
          THE NOISE IS MOSTLY TIED TO WHAT'S THE SPEED THAT THE ROTOR IS SPINNING AT. 
          THAT'S INTERESTING. SO IF YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO LOWER THE NOISE. YOU LOWER THE WHAT'S
CALLED THE N1 SPEED. THAT'S THE FAN SPEED RIGHT. 
          SO EXHAUST CONTRIBUTES BUT I THINK AND I'D HAVE TO LOOK THIS ONE UP. 
          YEAH I THINK IT'S ONLY ABOUT 20% OF THE NUMBER. 
          I THINK 80% OF THE NUMBER COMES FROM THE BYPASS OR FROM THE FROM THE AIR. 
          OVER THE OVER THE WINGS. YES. THAT'S INTERESTING. 
          FROM THE ENGINES. IT'S COME FROM THE ENGINES. COMES FROM. SO SO YOU KNOW,
PART OF THE PROBLEM WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE A FLIGHT AND YOU'RE TRYING TO LAND, YOU'RE NOT AS NOISY WHEN YOU'RE AT FULL POWER AND YOU'RE TRYING TO TAKE OFF,
YOU'RE NOISIER. 
          IT'S JUST IT'S JUST PART, PART OF THE GAME. AND IT HAS TO DO WITH WHAT'S THE SPEED YOU'RE
RUNNING THE ENGINE AT. 
          SO THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, THOUGH, IS EXHAUST IS AN ISSUE THAT HAS TO BE SOLVED ALL
THE TIME ON JET ENGINES. 
          THEY'RE CONSTANTLY GOING THROUGH DESIGN ITERATIONS TO REDUCE IT,
REDUCE IT, REDUCE IT. 
          BUT THAT'S MORE OF A SLOW, DELIBERATE. THEY DO THEY DO OFFER NOISE REDUCTION KITS. 
          SOMETIMES YOU CAN SWAP ON TO THE ENGINES. BUT IT'S USUALLY MORE JUST THE EVOLUTION OF THE
ENGINES. 
          THE NEXT GENERATION COMES OUT. IT'S ALWAYS LESS NOISY THAN THE ONE THAT CAME BEFORE IT.
AND WHO KNOWS, MAYBE WE'RE ON THE PATH TO ELECTRIC ENGINES AND NOISE GOES TO ZERO IN OUR LIFETIMES. I DON'T KNOW, IT COULD HAPPEN. SO WE HAVE A GENERATION OF PLANES HERE THAT
OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, ARE A LITTLE BIT OLDER. YEAH, BECAUSE THEY GENERATE THE AMOUNT OF NOISE THAT
THEY DO. 
          AND IT'S POSSIBLE THAT IN, IN OUR LIFETIME WE'LL,
WE'LL SEE THOSE TURN OVER. 
          WHO KNOWS. YEAH. AND I'VE READ LIKE YOU HAVE WHERE NOT UNUSUAL FOR AIRPORTS TO RETROFIT
HOMES THAT ARE IN THE PATH. IN THE PATH? NOT AT ALL. UNUSUAL PATH SHOULD BE THAT WE SHOULD SAY THAT WE
SHOULD BE DOING THAT, THAT WE HAVE DONE EVERYTHING WE KNOW HOW TO DO. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          I'D LIKE TO BE IN THAT POSITION. THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          SO THAT IS BEING DONE RATHER CONSISTENTLY, AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO LOOK AT
CAREFULLY. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP AND THANK YOU FOR REPLYING. 
          OKAY. MY TURN. MR. JOYCE, THANK YOU. YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE UTILIZATION PLAN? YEAH, I AM, TO THE EXTENT THAT I KNOW IT'S UNDER A LOT OF STRESS BECAUSE WE'RE SUCCESSFUL. 
          I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OF THE SPECIFIC ITEM THAT'S ON THE LIST,
BUT THAT'S WHY I ADDED IT TO MY LIST OF STRATEGIC INTENT. 
          THE ANSWERS WE'RE GETTING IS ARE A LITTLE BIT FUZZY. 
          AND ANY TIME, YOU KNOW, WE GET AN ANSWER THAT YOU DIDN'T UNDERSTAND OR THEY DIDN'T
UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO BETTER. 
          ABSOLUTELY. PERFECT. THANK YOU. I THINK YOU'RE AWARE OF THE ENABLING ACT BEING OPENED BECAUSE YOU SAID THAT THE CITY SHOULD MANAGE IT,
NOT THE COUNTY. 
          NOT IN FAVOR? OKAY. THE CITY SHOULD MANAGE IT. 
          NOT THE COUNTY. WE SHOULD KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS. 
          AND ARE YOU A MEMBER OF THE FRIENDS OF THE AIRPORT? I AM NOT. OKAY. BUT IT'S OKAY TO BE A FRIEND OF THE AIRPORT. 
          AND I AGREE WITH YOU. I DO BELIEVE THERE ARE PEOPLE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY THAT USE NETJETS
OR USE THE FRACTIONAL AIRLINES. 
          SO I AGREE, IT IS NICE FOR SOME THAT CAN'T OWN THEIR OWN PLANE. 
          SO WITH THAT WE'LL SAY THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE ALL MORNING LONG AND FOR APPLYING. 
          AND ONE LAST WORD. YES, I'LL BE WATCHING FROM MY POOL,
AND YOU CAN CATCH ME ON MY OFFICE ON THE FIRST TEE OF NAPLES GRAND. 
          I'M GOING TO BE WATCHING TO SEE IF WE GET BETTER AT DOING THIS. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR CARING. OKAY. COUNCIL. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO GET ONE MORE IN, BUT I THINK BLOOD SUGAR DROPPING,
AS COACH WOULD SAY, IS VERY IMPORTANT. 
          IF WE GO AT A HALF AN HOUR FOR THE LAST FIVE THAT WE HAVE WILL BE FINISHED AROUND 430. 
          CAN WE PLEASE TAKE A 20 MINUTE, 15 MINUTE BREAK,
15, 15 MINUTE BREAK, AND WE'LL COME BACK AND FINISH THE REST OF THE 
          [04:40:02]
APPLICATIONS? THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, WE'RE BACK FROM OUR BREAK. CONTINUING ON WITH THE AIRPORT. 
          AUTHORITY INTERVIEWS, MADAM CLERK. YES. OUR NEXT INTERVIEW WILL BE WITH CRAIG KOBZA. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON, SIR. GOOD AFTERNOON. WE DO HAVE YOUR RESUME. 
          SO EVERYONE'S READ IT. IF THERE'S ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO STATE,
BEFORE THEY ASK QUESTIONS. 
          OKAY. MY NAME IS CRAIG KOBZA. I HAVE LIVED IN NAPLES OVER 40 YEARS. 
          I'VE SEEN THE AIRPORT. I'VE SEEN PINE RIDGE ROAD WHEN IT WAS A TWO TRACK,
IF YOU WILL. 
          BEEN HERE A LONG TIME. VERY INVOLVED. I RAISED MY FAMILY HERE. 
          I HAVE SIX KIDS AND 11 GRANDKIDS. AND SO WE HAVE QUITE A COMMITMENT TO THIS TOWN. 
          AS TO MY RELEVANT BACKGROUND, I'M THE CEO OF OF A COUPLE COMPANIES IN TOWN. 
          THOSE COMPANIES STARTED HERE. AND EARLY ON WHEN I WAS YOUNGER,
I NEVER NEEDED AN AIRPLANE. 
          BUT FULL DISCLOSURE, I HAVE ONE. BACK IN THE 1980S,
I WAS DOING WORK, WHAT WE CALL OUT OF AREA AND WE TRAVEL THE STATE. AND NOW BEYOND FIXING PROBLEMS FOR PEOPLE. 
          PEOPLE. I ALWAYS TELL THEM OTHER PEOPLE BUILD BUILDINGS,
WE FIX THEM AND THAT'S WHAT WE DO. 
          I'M PERSONALLY A STATE CERTIFIED GENERAL CONTRACTOR. 
          I HAVE TWO LICENSES, AND ONE OF THE INTERESTING PARTS OF MY RESUME IS I DO. 
          I'VE BEEN DETERMINED BY THE COURTS IN FLORIDA TO BE A FORENSIC EXPERT IN THE LAW RELATED
TO CONSTRUCTION DEFECTS, AND I HELP OTHER ATTORNEYS, LAW FIRMS AND MY OWNER CLIENTS GET RESOLUTION TO VARIOUS TYPES
OF ISSUES. AND VERY COMPLICATED ISSUES AND VERY CONTENTIOUS ISSUES. 
          IT COULD BE FIGHTING A CONTRACT OWNER. FIGHTING A CONTRACTOR. 
          I COULD BE HELPING DEFEND A CONTRACTOR AGAINST AN OWNER. 
          AND OFTENTIMES IT'S FIGHTING WITH INSURANCE COMPANIES TO GET WHAT SOMEBODY THINKS THEY'RE
DUE. 
          THE LONGEST CASE THAT I WAS INVOLVED IN, THE OWNER ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO,
THANKED ME FOR LIVING THE 15 YEARS THAT IT TOOK TO RESOLVE A MAJOR LITIGATION CASE. SO I ONLY BRING THAT PART UP BECAUSE I'M USED TO CONFLICT
AND IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME. AND MY GOAL IS ALWAYS TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO WE BRING THESE PEOPLE
TOGETHER TO GET A RESOLUTION? AND THAT CAN TAKE A LOT OF CREATIVITY. IT CAN TAKE A LOT OF MONEY AND TIME. 
          AND I TRY TO HELP PEOPLE STEP THROUGH WHAT THEIR. 
          ALTERNATIVES ARE AND HOW MUCH THOSE MIGHT REALLY COST AT THE END OF 15 YEARS TO LITIGATE
AS OPPOSED TO COME TOGETHER AND LET'S TRY TO RESOLVE IT. SO I'M VERY COMFORTABLE IN THAT DOMAIN. 
          I HAVE ABOUT 50 EMPLOYEES. THEY WORK OUT THROUGH OUT OF NAPLES,
BUT I'VE GOT PEOPLE ON THE EAST COAST TODAY, AND I'VE GOT PEOPLE UP NEAR SARASOTA WORKING. 
          SO I'M USED TO WORKING IN A DYNAMIC ENVIRONMENT. 
          AND I HAVE AN AIRPLANE AND I HAVE AN AIRPLANE BECAUSE IT SUPPORTS OUR LOCAL OPERATIONS AND
OUR OUT AREA WORK. I OWN A HANGAR AT THE AIRPORT. 
          IN, IN THIS GENERATION, I THINK I BOUGHT THAT FIVE YEARS AGO. 
          AND THE AIRPLANE ABOUT THE SAME. AND THEN PRIOR TO THAT,
BACK IN LATE 80S AND EARLY 90S, I HAD AN AIRCRAFT TO SUPPORT OUR WORK AS WELL. AS I SEE,
I GET A FEELING I'VE WATCHED YOU GUYS TRY TO DEAL WITH THIS ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM THING,
IF I COULD CALL IT THAT. 
          IN THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CITIZENRY FROM THE AIRPORT VERSUS THE CITY COUNCIL,
AND TO ME, 
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I SIT BACK AND LOOK AT, I LISTEN TO YOU GUYS,
AND YOU MAKE SENSE. 
          I LISTENED TO THE GUYS AT THE AIRPORT. I GET WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM,
AND I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A SOLUTION THAT THAT IT COULD BE A MIXABLE TO ALL. 
          I'VE HEARD A LOT OF PRISON OF THE PRESENTATIONS THIS MORNING. 
          BOY, WHAT SMART PEOPLE WE HAVE OUT HERE. AND I THINK THAT WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE IS SOME REASONABLE PEOPLE, AND YOU GUYS ARE REASONABLE,
BUT YOU HAVE LAWS. 
          YOU GOT TO FOLLOW SUNSHINE AND ALL OF THAT. BUT SOMEWHERE IN ALL OF THIS,
PEOPLE WHO UNDERSTAND HOW AIRPLANES AND AIRPLANE NOISE WORKS HAVE TO COME TO THE FRONT AND HELP THAT WHOLE DISCUSSION. 
          EVERYBODY'S GETTING IT KIND OF RIGHT. PILOTS DON'T JUST FLY THEIR AIRPLANES WHEREVER THEY
WANT. 
          THEY ARE UNDER THE CONTROL OF A TOWER. WHEN YOU TAKE OFF OUT OF NAPLES AND DO A FAST
DESCENT, I'D LOVE TO GO RIGHT TO 10,000FT. MIAMI TRACON AND FORT MYERS ARE NOT GOING TO LET YOU DO
THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE INTERSECTING THEIR AIRSPACE. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT JUST SO YOU GET AN IDEA. 
          WE'RE GETTING CLOSE. AND WHAT'S WHAT'S GOT TO BRING EVERYBODY CLOSER IS SOME EDUCATION I
THINK ON AND SOME OF THE, THE PEOPLE AT THE AIRPORT WHO ARE COMPLAINING THEY DON'T ALL FLY JETS. 
          MATTER OF FACT, THERE'S I THINK 500 T-HANGAR GUYS. 
          THOSE GUYS HAVE BEEN THERE LONGER THAN ALL OF US. 
          AND SO I THINK WE. GEEZ, IT SEEMS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO BE CAUSED TO HAVE TO WEIGH
SOME THINGS. 
          PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF OR THE OTHER PEOPLE LOOKING TO GET THIS JOB ARE GOING TO BE CAUSED TO
WEIGH SOME THINGS. 
          AND WE NEED PEOPLE WHO SINCERELY ARE COMMITTED TO RESOLVE THE RELATIONSHIP. 
          THAT'S WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE. I HAPPEN TO LIVE ON THE FLIGHT PATH FOR THE DRAGONFLY
DELIVERY, AND THEY GO RIGHT OVER MY HOUSE. AND IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME BECAUSE I LIKE AIRPLANES. 
          I GUESS I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE. I LIKE PLANES. 
          WHAT REALLY BOTHERS ME IS, ARE WE REALLY DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN WITH OUR BEST PEOPLE? WE GOT SMART PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN. ARE WE DOING EVERYTHING WE CAN TO DIRECT THE NOISE, SET TIMES AND HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE? I DIDN'T KNOW UNTIL TODAY THAT THE 2:00 IN THE
MORNING AIRPLANE THAT WAKES ME UP A LOT, WHICH I'M OKAY WITH THAT. IT'S MOSQUITO CONTROL. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. AND THERE'S. I'M SURE A GOOD REASON AND WHY THEY HAVE TO DO THAT. 
          I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. SO NOW THAT'S MY EDUCATION THAT I HAVE TO WORK ON. 
          BUT I THINK THERE'S A SOLUTION I THINK I CAN HELP. 
          I DARN SURE WOULD BE DEDICATED TO GIVE IT ALL I GOT. 
          I'M GOOD AT DEALING WITH PEOPLE. I DEAL WITH PEOPLE AND CONFLICTS ALL DAY LONG. 
          I DEAL. I HAVE ENGINEERS WALK UP AND LOOK, WE'RE ON A $50 MILLION HOUSE,
AND THEY'RE LIKE, I DIDN'T DESIGN THAT. AND THE HOUSE IS FALLING APART,
YOU KNOW, SO KIND OF TRAUMATIC IF YOU'RE AN OWNER, I DEAL WITH THAT PSYCHOLOGY AND HELP EXPLAIN TO THEM HOW THINGS GET THE WAY THEY ARE AND
SOMETIMES WRONG. 
          AND HERE'S WHAT WE GOT TO DO TO FIX IT. AND I DO MY HOMEWORK AND IT IT PAYS A DIVIDEND
BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE THOSE 15 YEAR LAWSUITS THAT DON'T GET YOU ANYWHERE. 
          YOU WANT TO HAVE RESOLUTIONS, AND THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A RESOLUTION COMES FROM ALL OF
US IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          I, ESPECIALLY DOWNTOWN, I WALK EVERY MORNING PAST MR. ALLEN EVERY MORNING. HE'S ONE FOR EVERY ONE STEP OF HIS. 
          I GOT TO TAKE TWO TO KEEP UP WITH HIM. BUT THE THE BIGGEST THING IS I LISTEN TO PEOPLE. 
          I GO TO COFFEY DOWNTOWN, DIFFERENT PLACES. I TRY TO ENGAGE PEOPLE. 
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WHAT ARE THEY WORRIED ABOUT? THEY'RE ALL PAYING ATTENTION TO FREAKING STUFF GOING ON HERE
AND THE NOISE. 
          AND SO WHEN YOU REALLY GET DOWN TO IT, HOW MANY OF THE PEOPLE ARE BOTHERED BY THE NOISE
ENOUGH? YEAH. AND IF YOU WONDER WHAT I DO AT NIGHT, THE OTHER NIGHT I WAS SITTING THERE GOING,
WHO? IF ANYBODY COULD THINK OF THE CRAZIEST THING,
GET OUT OF YOUR MIND RIGHT HERE AND THINK ABOUT WHAT COULD WE DO? BOSE HEADSETS, NOISE CANCELING HEADSETS. WE COULD GO TO THOSE 150 PEOPLE DOWNTOWN,
AND WE COULD GIVE THEM A ONE SET A YEAR, OR IF THEIR FAMILY NEEDS IT, WE GIVE THEM A FAMILY PACK. 
          THAT'S HOW CRAZY THAT I'M GOING. BUT I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT ELSE CAN YOU CAN YOU
DO? SO THAT'S KIND OF HOW I'M WIRED AND WHERE I COME FROM. 
          WHY WOULD I WANT TO DO THIS JOB? I LOVE AIRPLANES,
I LOVE THE AIRPORT. 
          THE AIRPORT DOES A LOT FOR US. OUR COMPANY. ME PERSONALLY,
IT GETS ME WHERE I GOT TO GO ON TIME. 
          I CAN'T DO MY JOB WITHOUT IT. AND, YOU KNOW,
IF WE DIDN'T HAVE IT HERE, I'D HAVE TO MOVE TO BE CLOSER TO FORT MYERS. 
          OR I WOULDN'T GO TO EVERGLADES, BUT I'D HAVE TO GO SOMEWHERE. 
          AND I DON'T CARE TO DO THAT, SO I THINK I COULD BE A GREAT RESOURCE TO HELP PEOPLE
UNDERSTAND ABOUT AIRPLANES AND WHAT IT TAKES TO OPERATE THEM,
AND THEN ALSO HELP BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER IN SOME KIND OF FORUM THAT WE COULD WORK ON A NOISE POLICY TOGETHER. 
          IT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW. 
          I GET WHY IT BOTHERS PEOPLE JUST BECAUSE IT DOESN'T BOTHER ME. 
          THAT'S A DIFFERENT ISSUE, BUT IT BOTHERS MY NEIGHBORS AND I DON'T WANT THEM TO HAVE A
NEGATIVE FEEL FOR THE AIRPORT. 
          SO IT'S UP TO ALL OF US. REALLY? I JUST SINCE YOU MENTIONED IT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. WHERE YOU MIGHT MOVE. IF YOU COULDN'T HAVE YOUR PLANE HERE,
YOU MIGHT HAVE TO MOVE TO FORT MYERS. 
          I HAVE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN ARE AFFECTED BY THIS AIRPLANE NOISE THAT HAVE LIVED HERE FOR
GENERATIONS. 
          YEAH. AND SOME THAT HAVE JUST MOVED HERE IN THE LAST 20 YEARS WHO TELL ME THEY ARE GOING
TO MOVE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IS THE FLIP SIDE OF THE COIN. AND IT'S IT'S HEARTBREAKING TO HEAR PEOPLE THAT
LOVE THIS COMMUNITY FOR GENERATIONS AND WOULD HAVE TO MOVE BECAUSE OF THE AIRPLANE NOISE. 
          BUT THEN ON THE FLIP SIDE, YOU MIGHT HAVE TO MOVE IF YOU NEEDED TO USE. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL ABOUT CONVENIENCE, I GET IT. 
          BUT IN MAYBE, MAYBE THAT'S TOO BAD. ME BECAUSE THE NOISE FOR THOSE FOLKS MATTERS, IT REALLY MATTERS. THANK YOU. COUNCIL QUESTIONS. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. SO, MR. KOBZA, BASED ON WHAT I'VE READ,
YOU'RE REALLY KIND OF IN THE RIGHT BUSINESS BECAUSE THERE ARE MANY MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE HAD OUR PROBLEM. I'VE SPOKEN ABOUT IT PROBABLY 3 OR 4 TIMES THIS MORNING WHERE THE
AIRPORT WENT IN AND RETROFITTED THEIR HOUSES SO THAT THE TO REDUCE THE NOISE TO, TO HAVE NOISE ATTENUATION RELATIVE TO THEIR HOMES. 
          YES, MA'AM. THAT TO ME SEEMS TO BE A WONDERFUL WAY FOR THIS COMMUNITY,
QUITE FRANKLY, TO COME TOGETHER. 
          YOU'RE IN THE RIGHT BUSINESS TO DO THAT. IT WOULD BE HARD TO GUESS,
I'M SURE, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE RELATIVE TO EACH INDIVIDUAL HOME. 
          BUT JUST PROBABLY THE COST OF THE WINDOWS ALONE ARE GOING TO BE IMMENSELY COSTLY. 
          THE RETROFIT MARKET IS ALIVE AND IN. WELL, THE UPGRADED BUILDING CODES THAT HAVE OCCURRED
OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS ARE DRIVING PEOPLE TO UPGRADE ROOFS,
WINDOWS, DOORS, WATERPROOFING SYSTEMS, ETC. 
          AND WE ARE RETROFITTING WINDOWS SYSTEMS WITH IMPACT RESISTANT NOISE,
ABATING WINDOWS. AND IN MOST OF THAT'S IN THE GLASS. INTERESTING. 
          AND THE THING THAT YOU DO HAVE TO REMEMBER, THOUGH,
THERE'S A A REAL REALITY TO IT, I CALL IT OUR REAL. 
          AND THE REAL REALITY IS WE HAVE HOUSES THAT I WORK ON,
THAT THERE ARE TWO, $250 
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MILLION AND THE WINDOW PACKAGES ARE 20 MILLION. 
          RIGHT. SO WHEN WE GO OUT AND AND SEARCH FOR FUNDS TO,
RETROFIT HOUSES. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF THOSE HOUSES ON THE FLIGHT PATH EXITING AND NOT AS MUCH INBOUND BECAUSE
YOU'RE OVER THE INDUSTRIAL PARK. 
          BUT YOU HAVE A LOT OF VERY EXPENSIVE HOMES. SO YOU GOT TO KIND OF REDIAL THAT. 
          THAT'S A, THAT'S A THEY MAY ALSO BE AIRPLANE OWNERS. 
          YES. AND A LOT OF POSSIBLE A LOT OF THEM ARE. 
          BUT I YOU KNOW, AGAIN IF WE WANTED TO COME UP WITH SOME SORT OF A COMMUNITY SOLUTION FOR
THIS, THE AIRPORT'S IMMENSELY SUCCESSFUL. YES. WHO AMONG US WOULDN'T WANT TO HAVE OUR OWN PLANE? YES. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S NECESSARILY THE WAY TO GO,
BUT CERTAINLY THE DISAFFECTED. 
          IF WE COULD AT LEAST MAYBE START A PROGRAM LIKE THAT,
THAT WOULD BE OF INTEREST TO ME ANYWAY. 
          SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD PLACE. THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? YES, ABSOLUTELY. IT DOES. OKAY. AND SOME PEOPLE ARE ALREADY DOING THAT FOR THEIR OWN SAKE. 
          AND I UNDERSTAND ABOUT WANTING TO BE OUTSIDE. 
          THEY DIDN'T MOVE HERE TO TO SIT IN THEIR HOME. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, COME HELL OR HIGH WATER, EVENTUALLY THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GO IN. YES. 
          SO IT SEEMS TO ME IT WOULD BE A GOOD INVESTMENT. 
          FURTHERMORE, THEY MAY NOT STAY HERE FOREVER. THEY HAVE THEIR RESALE VALUE. 
          IF THEY DID, THIS WOULD BE MUCH GREATER. YES. 
          SO I CAN SEE A LOT OF VALUE TO IT. SO YOU'RE,
YOU'RE THE PERFECT PERSON TO SAY SLOW DOWN. 
          ALL THE THINGS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MAYBE WOULDN'T COME TO FRUITION,
BUT YOU'RE SAYING IT'S POSSIBLE THEY COULD. 
          YES, ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS. VICE MAYOR. WELL THANK YOU MR.. I APPRECIATE YOUR INTEREST AND WILLINGNESS TO
TAKE ON A CHALLENGE SUCH AS THIS. YOUR BACKGROUND IS GOOD,
AND I WAS PARTICULARLY IMPRESSED WITH THE FORENSIC NATURE OF YOUR PROBLEM SOLVING APPROACH, YOU KNOW, TO MAKING THINGS HAPPEN SPECIFICALLY. 
          IN TERMS OF SOLVING PROBLEMS WITHIN GOVERNMENT ENTITIES. 
          CAN YOU SPEAK TO THAT IN ANY EXPERIENCE YOU HAVE THERE? I'VE HAD SOME NOT AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT. I'VE REPAIRED PARKING GARAGES IN ORLANDO THAT ARE COLLAPSING. THE AT FLORIDA STATE UNIVERSITY,
WE WON THE INTERNATIONAL CONCRETE REPAIR INSTITUTE PROJECT OF THE YEAR FOR LIFTING A SEVEN STORY BUILDING, REPLACING A SLAB IN AT THE SECOND FLOOR AND
LETTING IT CURE AND SETTING THE BUILDING BACK ON THE PIER. SO WE'VE DONE SOME CRAZY STUFF. 
          AND FOR GOVERNMENTS GOVERNMENT ENTITIES. AND USUALLY IT'S STUFF THAT,
LIKE NOBODY ELSE CAN DO OR WANTS TO DO. 
          AND IT'S USUALLY NEGOTIATED WORK WHEN YOU GET TO THAT POINT BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY
UNKNOWNS. 
          SO YEAH. THANK YOU. YOU TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT NOISE AND THE NOISE,
HOW IT IMPACTS YOU AND THE NOISE AND HOW IT IMPACTS YOUR NEIGHBORS. DO YOU BELIEVE THERE SHOULD BE DIFFERENT STANDARDS FOR AIRCRAFT NOISE AS
OPPOSED TO ANY OTHER NOISE IN OUR COMMUNITY? WELL, THAT'S AN INTERESTING QUESTION. 
          AT ONE POINT IN TIME, I THINK I SAW THE MAYOR SOMEWHERE,
AND I ASKED HER, COULD WE GET THAT THAT CAVED IN THING OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF MY ROAD ON THE CORNER OF SIXTH AVENUE SOUTH AND SECOND STREET? COULD WE GET THAT FIXED? BECAUSE EVERY TIME THE TRUCKS GO OVER,
IT'S BANG, BANG, BANG AND I FEEL MY FOUNDATION AND YOU GUYS PROBABLY KNOW WHERE THAT IS. AND NOW THEY'RE DOING ALL THOSE SUBSIDENCE ISSUES DOWN OUR STREET. 
          THAT KIND OF NOISE REALLY BOTHERED ME BECAUSE I COULD SEE THE DEGRADATION TO THE WATER
DRAINAGE SYSTEM, AND THEY COME AND PATCH IT AND THEY'D CAVE IN,
ETC.. 
          SO, YEAH, I THINK WE'RE ALL SENSITIVE TO DIFFERENT THINGS,
BUT WE DO HAVE TO APPRECIATE THEM, AND WE DO HAVE TO COME UP WITH A WAY TO RESOLVE THOSE THINGS THAT WE CAN. 
          AND I LIKED A COUPLE. THE GENTLEMAN INDICATED,
YOU KNOW, WE GOT TO TAKE SOME OF THIS IN INCREMENTS, AND IF WE CAN BACK THE NOISE LEVELS DOWN ON A COUPLE THINGS EVERY YEAR,
WE COULD END UP IN NEAR TERM WITH, WITH SOME REAL SOLUTIONS. THE INDUSTRY, THE AIRCRAFT INDUSTRY IS GOING TO BRING ON THE NEW
JETS. 
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THE QUIETER JETS, THEY'RE STARTING TO COME INTO THE MARKET AND THE OLDER ONES LIKE MINE
AND MINE. 
          STAGE THREE. BUT IT'LL PHASE ITSELF OUT OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. 
          SO YOU GOT TO BE YOU GOT TO UNDERSTAND THAT DIFFERENT AIRCRAFT,
THOSE BRAND NEW GLOBAL EXPRESSES, WHEN THEY TAKE OFF OUT OF NAPLES AND GO UP AND LEVEL OFF,
YOU CAN'T HARDLY HEAR THEM THERE THAT THAT WELL DESIGNED. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT'S COMING TO EVERYBODY ELSE,
I THINK. 
          THANK YOU. ONE LAST QUESTION. AND YOU NEVER KNOW WHO YOU'RE DEALING WITH IN THESE
INTERVIEWS, BUT WE HAD AN APPLICANT SITTING WHERE YOU'RE SITTING NOW THAT TOLD US IF WE WOULD APPOINT
THEM TO A POSITION AS NA COMMISSIONER THAT ANY THREATS THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH BY THE STATE
LEGISLATURE IN TAKING AWAY OUR APPOINTING AUTHORITY WOULD DISAPPEAR, WOULD GO AWAY. DO YOU HAVE AN OPINION ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN
IF WE APPOINT YOU? WHETHER I WOULD GO AWAY? NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. 
          YEAH. IF IF I WAS APPOINTED, I'D BE PART. IT STRIKES ME I WOULD BE PART OF A TEAM. 
          IT ISN'T A SOLO UNO APPOINTMENT, AS I UNDERSTAND IT. 
          AND THAT TEAM WHO I SAW WHEN I WENT TO THE OCTOBER MEETING WAS IMPRESSIVE TO ME. 
          THE THE KNOWLEDGE THE TEAM WORK, THEIR DELEGATION CAPABILITIES. 
          I THOUGHT ALL OF THAT STUFF WAS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S AN ORGANIZATION. 
          THEN WHAT? EVERYBODY FORGETS, OR MAYBE THEY DON'T,
IS THEY GOT TO WORK WITH YOU. 
          AND THAT SHOULDN'T BE A. OOH. LET ME COME BACK NEXT WEEK AND SEE IF I GOT ENOUGH ENERGY TO
DO THAT. 
          IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S FUN TO DO. JUST LIKE THE AIRPORT'S FUN TO GO TO. 
          IT SHOULD BE. IT SHOULD BE A POSITIVE THING. BECAUSE IN THAT IN THAT FLAVOR, THINGS WORK THEMSELVES OUT A LOT BETTER WHEN YOU APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S INPUT. 
          MAYBE YOU CAN COME UP WITH A CONSOLIDATED LIST AND A FIVE YEAR PLAN. 
          MOST PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND THAT AT THE PORT ROYAL CLUB,
ONE OF THE LADIES, I REMEMBER HER SAYING, I'M NOT GOING TO BE HERE IN FIVE YEARS IF WE DON'T GET THIS DONE. 
          AND IT JUST WOKE ME RIGHT THE HECK UP BECAUSE THAT'S A REAL PERSPECTIVE. 
          AND THAT'S A LADY THAT LIVED HERE FOR 50 YEARS. 
          SO WHERE'S THE RESPECT FOR THAT? AND I DON'T HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS. 
          I THINK I COULD GET ENOUGH NOISE CANCELING HEADPHONES. 
          THAT WOULD BE FUNNY FOR A MINUTE, BUT BUT BUT THERE THERE ARE ALL OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE
BEEN POINTED OUT AND ALREADY SAID ARE VIABLE THINGS THAT SHOULD BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION,
BUT IT DOES STRIKE ME THAT THAT SHOULD HAPPEN IN A AN ORGANIZED PROCESS. AND I THOUGHT, OKAY, YOU GUYS GOT THE SUNSHINE RULE. 
          CAN SO CAN WE HAVE A SYMPOSIUM WHERE WE ALL GET TOGETHER AND WE DON'T HAVE,
YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE IN THE PUBLIC, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE COULD ALL SPEAK OUR MIND AND TALK ABOUT WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT AND HAVE
SOMEBODY BE THE ARBITER, BRINGING THAT DOWN TO EARTH AND COME UP WITH THE HIGH VALUE TARGETS AND GO FROM THERE. 
          SO IS THAT RESPONSIVE? YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          AND THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR INTEREST IN SERVING IN THIS CAPACITY. 
          YOU BET. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. AND JUST FOR YOUR BENEFIT,
WE HAVE HAD JOINT MEETINGS. 
          GOOD CONVERSATION HAS COME FROM THAT OR IDEAS,
BUT FOR SOME REASON, WE CAN'T GET TO SOLUTION AND RESOLUTION AND ANY ACTION THAT'S BENEFICIAL. AND I'VE SEEN THAT SINCE ZERO NINE. 
          SO IT'S A, IT'S A IT'S A REAL SHAME BECAUSE I THINK WE HAVE EGOS AND POWER AND MONEY AND
THAT'S THE PROBLEM. 
          SO YEAH. KRAMER, THANKS FOR BEING HERE. I APPRECIATE YOU. 
          AND YOU DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES WE SAT IN THE STANDS TOGETHER WITH OUR KIDS GROWING UP. 
          YES. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY IT'S JUST GREAT TO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN HERE AS LONG AS YOU
HAVE RAISING YOUR KIDS. 
          AND WHAT A GREAT JOB YOU ALL DID. BEAUTIFUL FAMILY. 
          AND JUST TO CLARIFY SOMETHING THE VICE MAYOR SAID,
I DON'T BELIEVE MR. ALLEN SAID PEOPLE CAN WATCH THE TAPE. THAT IF HE'S ELECTED,
THAT'S GOING TO GO AWAY. 
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HE WAS OFFERING THAT AS ONE OF THE REASONS HE THOUGHT ABOUT DOING THIS WAS BECAUSE
POSSIBLY HE DIDN'T SAY POSSIBLY IT COULD HAPPEN, AND THAT HE THINKS IT'S A TERRIBLE IDEA FOR US NOT TO APPOINT PEOPLE TO THIS,
TO THIS BOARD. 
          SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THERE'S NO QUID PRO PRO ON THAT. 
          NO GUARANTEE. AND HE DIDN'T SUGGEST THAT EITHER. 
          I HEARD IT DIFFERENTLY, BUT THANK YOU. OKAY. AND NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. 
          AND THANK YOU FOR APPLYING. I ENJOYED OUR MEETING TOGETHER. 
          WANTED TO SEE YOUR YOUR FEELING ON WHAT WOULD BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE THING THAT YOU COULD
DO IF YOU WERE APPOINTED? WHAT, IN YOUR FIRST 30 DAYS ON ON AS AN NA MEMBER THAT YOU WOULD DO
TO BRING US TOGETHER BECAUSE THERE MIGHT NOT BE AN INTERSECTION THAT,
YOU KNOW, THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT THERE IS NO INTERSECTION, THAT THERE THERE WILL BE NO MEETING OF THE MINDS. 
          AND YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT IT'S NOT GREAT. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, FACTS ARE FACTS. AND IF WE KEEP BANGING OUR HEADS AGAINST THE WALL,
THEN IT'S WE WILL BE ALWAYS AT THIS IMPASSE THAT WE'VE HAD SINCE THE 60S. I, I WOULD SAY, WHAT'S THE BEST THING I COULD DO? NUMBER ONE, I BRING HOPE. I DON'T GO INTO ANY OF. 
          I'VE DONE OVER 3000 JOBS IN MY CAREER WITH OUR GROUP,
3000 JOBS. 
          WE NEVER FAILED ON ANY OF THEM BECAUSE WE NEVER GAVE UP. 
          AND ALTHOUGH WE MAY BE DEALING WITH SOME ADVERSITY WITH SOME OF THE I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO CALL IT, BUT THE OTHER SIDE. ALTHOUGH WE MAY BE DEALING WITH THAT,
THERE HAS TO BE A WAY TO ALTER THAT CHEMISTRY. IT'S NOT LOCKED IN CONCRETE. IT'S GOT TO CHANGE. 
          IT ISN'T AN OPTION NOT TO CHANGE. AND I THINK PART OF IT IS MAYBE WE DEVELOP A MARKETING
PLAN WITH A FLIER THAT I'LL GO DOWNTOWN AND HAND THEM OUT AND TRY TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM SOME OF OUR NEIGHBORS DOWN THERE. 
          AND MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE THOSE OF US WHO LIVE DOWN THERE,
BECAUSE THEY'LL THEY WON'T FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO A FIGHT. YOU KNOW,
THEY'LL THEY'LL BE USED TO US AND COMFORTABLE WITH US. 
          AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD DO AND HAVE A SMALL SURVEY. 
          THREE BOXES. CHECK, CHECK, CHECK. AND THEN WHEN WE GET THE INFORMATION BACK,
DO SOMETHING WITH IT. 
          MAYBE WE COULD BY THEN HAVE A CREATIVE SOLUTION. 
          A COUPLE PORTION PARTIAL NOISE REDUCTION TYPE THINGS THAT THAT TAKE OFF AND APPROACH
PROGRAM. 
          IT WORKS. MY PILOTS SHOWED IT TO ME A MONTH AGO AND I'M LIKE,
WOW, THIS IS COOL. 
          WE STAY AWAY FROM ALL THOSE PEOPLE FOR ANOTHER FOUR MILES INBOUND ON THE TEN MILE FINAL
APPROACH. 
          OKAY, THAT THEN WE'RE DOWN TO 4000FT AND GOT ADD WHETHER YOU'RE IN THE CLOUDS AND ALL
THAT, BUT YOU'RE FLYING, SAVING ALL THE PEOPLE BELOW YOU FROM HEARING THE BULK OF THE NOISE. 
          IT'S A REAL DEAL. AND HOW MANY PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT THAT? WE NEED TO TO, YOU KNOW, REALLY LOOK AT IT AND GET SOME BUY IN BY SOME KEY PEOPLE. IT WOULD BE WORTH DOING AND TRYING. 
          AND I'M I MIGHT NOT HAVE THE RIGHT WAY, BUT MAYBE THIS GROUP COULD HAVE 3 OR 4 OF US GO
DOWN THERE AND HAVE A TEAM MEETING AND WALK THE STREETS, TALK TO PEOPLE. 
          I'D BE HAPPY TO DO IT. AND WHAT WOULD THAT DO? IT WOULD BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. 
          AND IF YOU CAN'T SOLVE SOMEBODY'S PROBLEM, AT THE END OF THE DAY,
THEY MIGHT JUST WANT TO HAVE THE EXPECTATION, HEY, IS IT SOMEDAY, YOU KNOW? YEAH. WHEN ELECTRIC JETS GET HERE,
THAT'S A LONG TIME FROM NOW. 
          TO HAVE ENOUGH TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE THAT YOU WILL HAVE A PARTIAL SOLUTION. 
          BUT I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE INCREMENTAL. WHATEVER WE DO. 
          AND I THINK WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING. AND. AND YOU'VE GOT YOUR PULSE ON A LOT OF THIS
STUFF. 
          BUT I SPOKE WITH THE AIRPORTS ATTORNEY AND ONE OF THE,
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THEY TOLD ME IS THAT, YOU KNOW, LOBBYING IS GREAT, BUT IT'S NOT. WE HAVE A SLIM CHANCE,
AND WE HAVE ALMOST NO CHANCE UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION TO GET ANY RELIEF AT ALL. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU FEEL THAT WAY AT ALL. 
          SO IF WE DON'T LOBBY, WHAT WOULD YOU PROPOSE WE DO,
GIVEN THAT THE FAA CONTROLS SO MUCH? 
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WELL, I THINK WHAT WE COULD DO IS START WITH A COUPLE OF REALLY GOOD IDEAS AND DEVELOP
THEM AND GO BACK AND MAKE SURE THEY CAN BE DONE. OR THE CONSTITUENCIES THAT YOU HAVE TO INTEGRATE YOUR SOLUTION INTO ACTUALLY ARE
OPEN TO IT, OR YOU POLITICALLY TRY TO HELP THEM SEE THE LIGHT DIFFERENTLY. 
          YOU GOT TO BE A FACTOR AND YOU GUYS ARE A FACTOR. 
          COLLECTIVELY. YOU'RE POWERFUL. AND I SEE YOU TRYING TO DEAL WITH THIS ISSUE. 
          MAYBE WE JUST NEED SOME HELP FROM A FEW MORE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO SEE IT THAT WAY. 
          YOU AREN'T THE BAD GUYS. THOSE PEOPLE DOWN AT THE. 
          LIKE DOWN AT THE T HANGARS. THEY HAD A MEETING LAST WEEK AND I TALKED A BUNCH OF THESE
GUYS. 
          HELL, I REMEMBER THEM FROM 20 YEARS AGO. THEY STILL GOT THE SAME AIRPLANE. 
          THEY THEY FEEL LIKE THEY HAVE RIGHTS, AND I HOPE THEY DO. 
          AND MAYBE YOU START THERE AND YOU CONSOLIDATE SOME OF THE CONCEPTS OF,
OF OWNERSHIP. 
          AND THERE IS A DIVISION, THE GUYS WHO FLY THE JETS,
IT'S A DIFFERENT WORLD THAN THE SINGLE OR TWIN ENGINE AIRPLANES PERFORMANCE WISE RESPONSE WISE, EVERYTHING. AND SO MAYBE YOU GO TO THOSE NATURAL GROUPS THAT ARE OUT THERE
AND START THERE AT THE GROUND LEVEL AND SEE IF WE CAN IMPROVE SOME OF THEIR LOT. 
          I THINK PLANNING IN THAT CONTEXT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. 
          CAN WE, IF WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS GOING TO BE,
CAN WE PROFFER THAT WE'RE GOING TO DEVELOP A PLAN OVER THE NEXT YEAR AND START WORKING ON IT? AND IF THAT'S WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE, THEN WE GOT TO GO SELL IT,
BECAUSE THERE'S GOT TO BE SOMETHING'S GOT TO GIVE THAT, THAT THAT WOULD BE MY VIEW AND WHAT I WOULD ACT ON IF,
IF EVERYBODY ON THE TEAM AGREED. 
          THANK YOU. YEP. SO YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE. I'M GOING TO WRAP THIS UP. 
          MR.. YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE UTILIZATION PLAN? ONLY FROM BEING HERE TODAY? YES. AND THEN DO YOU HAVE ANY CONFLICTS OR DO YOU HAVE
BUSINESS INTEREST OR INVESTMENT? THAT OTHER THAN YOUR HANGAR? MY HANGAR IN MY AIRPLANE. 
          YEAH. OKAY. AND THAT'S THAT'S IT. YEAH. YEARS AGO,
I PAINTED THE CONTROL TOWER, AND WE PAINTED THAT FLAG ON THERE THAT'S NOW GONE. BUT AS A AS A CONTRACTOR,
I, I GOT THAT JOB, AND THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO, BUT I WAS PROUD OF IT. ARE YOU A MEMBER OF FRIENDS OF THE AIRPORT? NO. YOU'RE NOT ON THE BOARD? NO. I WENT TO A MEETING A LONG TIME AGO. 
          IT DOESN'T MATTER. I JUST YOU KNOW, BEING ON THE BOARD. 
          THAT'S GOOD. I WAS A FORMER BOARD MEMBER, AND IT'S GOOD TO LIKE THE AIRPORT,
SO. 
          YEAH, I'D LIKE TO. I'D LIKE TO BE ON THE SOLUTION SIDE OF THINGS IF. 
          IF THAT'S HELPFUL. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY FOR ALL THE APPLICANTS,
SO. 
          BUT WE APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE. 
          THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OUR NEXT INTERVIEW WILL BE WITH MICHAEL MCCABE. 
          WELL, WELCOME BACK, FORMER VICE MAYOR. STRANGE BEING DOWN ON THIS SIDE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. 
          MICHAEL MCCABE PLAYING FOR THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY BOARD. 
          AND THOUGHTS ON WHY SOME OF THE PREVIOUS APPLICANTS HAVE TOUCHED ON IT. 
          BUT IN COMING HERE AND THINKING ABOUT THIS, LOOK IN THE MURAL THAT'S BEHIND YOU. 
          THIS THIS CONCEPT OF NAPLES. WHAT IS NAPLES REALLY IS AT THE HEART OF ALL OF THIS. 
          YOU KNOW, WE HAVE CHOSEN TO LIVE IN THIS CITY. 
          WHY DID WE CHOOSE TO LIVE IN THIS CITY VERSUS SOME OTHERS? FORT LAUDERDALE, MIAMI, GOD FORBID TALLAHASSEE. 
          WE DID THIS BECAUSE THIS IS NAPLES. THIS IS NAPLES. 
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AND NAPLES IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS CREATED BY HAPPENSTANCE. 
          IT DIDN'T JUST APPEAR ON THIS FLORIDA. IT WAS CREATED BY THE FOREFATHERS WHO LOOKED AT
THIS CITY, LOOKED AT THIS AREA, AND DELIBERATELY PUT TOGETHER A PLAN,
DELIBERATELY PUT TOGETHER THE ACTIONS AND THE ORDINANCES AND THE CODES THAT CREATED THIS CITY DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER CITY. 
          AND WHY DO I. WHY DO I SAY THAT? I SAY THAT BECAUSE I'M A I'M A STUDENT OF HISTORY. 
          AND IF WE DON'T UNDERSTAND HISTORY, WE'RE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT. 
          AND IF NOT, JUST REPEAT IT. WE'RE CERTAINLY GOING TO KEEP MAKING THE SAME MISTAKES OR
MISSTEPS OVER AND OVER AGAIN. 
          SO LET'S UNDERSTAND WHAT THE HISTORY OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND THEN WHY I'M GOING TO
DO THIS. 
          THIS AIRPORT STARTED OFF AS A TRAINING FACILITY IN 1943. 
          SO WHAT IS THAT? THAT'S AN EXCELLENT COMPONENT OF THIS COMMUNITY. 
          IT'S AN IT'S A BENEFIT TO THIS COMMUNITY. IT'S A BENEFIT THAT FAR EXCEEDED WHAT IT WAS
THEN AFTER ITS USEFULNESS WAS DONE. IT TURNED IT OVER TO THE COUNTY AND THE CITY AND THE COUNTY AND THE CITY WAS
SUPPOSED TO RUN IT AND MAKE IT WORK, AND IT WAS RUNNING AT A $250,000 DEFICIT EVERY YEAR. 
          THE COUNTIES BACKED AWAY AND SAID, NOT INTERESTED. 
          AND THE COUNTY CEDED ITS RESPONSIBILITY TO THE CITY. 
          THE CITY TOOK OVER THIS AIRPORT AND ITS DEBT AND ITS ONGOING FINANCIAL PROBLEMS AND ITS
MANAGEMENT, AND THE CITY CAME UP WITH A SOLUTION AND WENT TO THE STATE AND SAID,
WE NEED TO CREATE AN AUTHORITY BOARD, AN AUTHORITY BOARD THAT'S GOING TO TAKE THIS OVER AND MAKE SENSE OUT OF IT,
CREATE A FINANCIAL SOUND INSTITUTE AND THEN RUN FORWARD WITH IT. SO IN 1969, THEY PUT TOGETHER NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY ACT AND
PUT IT IN PLACE. 
          AND IT HAS BEEN RUNNING EVER SINCE. GOOD TIMES AND BAD TIMES. 
          NOW, WHY AM I HERE? I'M HERE. I MEAN, I WAS ON COUNCIL,
I SAID ON COUNCIL FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND DID WHAT YOU DID, INTERVIEWED CANDIDATES LIKE MYSELF AND ALWAYS WONDERED WHAT IS IT GOING TO BE LIKE WHEN I
STEPPED OFF OF COUNCIL? I ENJOYED THE HECK OUT OF IT. IT WAS WONDERFUL. 
          BUT THEN I LOOKED AT THIS AND SAID, THERE'S AN ISSUE. 
          SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. AND LIKE WHEN I RAN FOR COUNCIL,
THE QUESTION ALWAYS CAME UP WHO? AND THE ANSWER ALWAYS CAME BACK TO IF NOT ME,
THEN WHO? AND SO I DECIDED TO STEP FORWARD. I DECIDED TO STEP FORWARD BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE
AIRPORT AND WHERE WE'RE AT ITS CREATION, ITS MOVEMENT TO AND NOW THE ISSUES THAT IT FACES. 
          CASES. THERE ARE SOLUTIONS AND IN ANY PRIVATE SECTOR OR ANY BUSINESS,
WHEN YOU WANT TO FIND A SOLUTION OR YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND A PROBLEM AND YOU UNDERSTAND WHERE IT CAN GO. 
          YOU LOOK FOR WHAT GOOD IS. YOU TRY TO FIND WHAT GOOD IS AND UNDERSTAND IT,
AND THEN SEE IF IT CAN BE APPLIED HERE. 
          THE HISTORY OF THIS NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY GIVES YOU GOOD 1997 THROUGH 2001. 
          THEY CAME FORWARD WITH A SOLUTION AND THEY BANNED STAGE ONE AND STAGE TWO. 
          HOW DID THEY DO THAT? STRONG LEADERSHIP. THE BOARD WAS STRONG IN ITS LEADERSHIP. 
          THE BOARD WAS STRONG IN ITS DETERMINATION AND THE MANAGEMENT OF THE AIRPORT WAS IN
LOCKSTEP, AND THEY MOVED FORWARD IN A VERY CONCERTED WAY AND MOVE FORWARD TO ACCOMPLISH GOALS THAT
MANY SAID NO. 
          AND EVEN THE FAA SAID HELL NO. AND THEY DIDN'T TAKE NO FOR THE ANSWER. 
          THEY KEPT WORKING IT AND MOVING IT FORWARD TO ACCOMPLISH A GOAL THAT WAS TO THE BENEFIT OF
THIS COMMUNITY. 
          AND NOW WHERE ARE WE? WE'RE IN THE SAME PLACE. 
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WE ARE IN THE SAME PLACE. THE ACT IN 1969 WAS PUT TOGETHER AND THE DIRECTION WAS PUT IN
PLACE. 
          OUR COMP PLAN, THE CITY OF NAPLES COMP PLAN SPELLS OUT WHAT THIS AIRPORT IS. 
          THE BENEFIT, THE STRENGTH TO THE COMMUNITY AS WELL AS IT IS A NEIGHBOR AND PARTNER TO THIS
COMMUNITY. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY ACT PUT TOGETHER. 
          AND THAT WAS THE DIRECTION FROM 1969 ONWARD. THE CITY ASKED FOR IT TO BE DONE. 
          THE CITY HANDED OFF APPROXIMATELY ONE SQUARE MILE OF CITY PROPERTY,
ONE SQUARE MILE. AT THIS POINT, ONE SQUARE MILE OF THIS CITY IS WORTH PROBABLY IN THE IN THE
500 MILLION TO $1 BILLION. 
          THEY HANDED THIS OFF TO THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY FOR $1 PER YEAR. 
          AND WHAT DID THEY ASK IN RETURN? THEY ASKED FOR THIS. 
          THEY ASKED FOR THE ABILITY TO HAVE SOME IMPACT ON THE DIRECTION OF THE AIRPORT. 
          THEY ASKED FOR THE ABILITY TO APPOINT THE COMMISSIONERS TO THE NAA. 
          THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE TODAY, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THE
HISTORY. 
          IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THE TRADE OFFS, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT THE COUNTY BACKED
AWAY FROM THE TABLE BECAUSE IT WAS TOO MUCH. 
          BUT THE CITY OF NAPLES, AS IMPORTANT AS THE CITY OF NAPLES IS,
TOOK THIS ON AND EVEN AND CREATED THIS BOARD TO DO THE HEAVY LIFTING FOR IT. AND WHAT ARE THE ISSUES THAT WE'RE FACING TODAY IS BECAUSE
THE BOARD HASN'T BEEN DOING A LOT OF HEAVY LIFTING. 
          IT NEEDS STRONGER DIRECTION AND IT NEEDS THE ABILITY TO MAKE DECISIONS AND THEN COME BACK
WITH SOUND DECISIONS. 
          THIS AUTHORITY, THIS CITY COUNCIL, HAS BEEN VERY CLEAR ON WHAT IT FEELS AND WHAT IT WANTS. 
          NOW THE NEA BOARD NEEDS TO GET ITS JOB DONE. WHY AM I WHY AM I A CANDIDATE? I BELIEVE MY BACKGROUND IS. MR. KRISEMAN SAID A LITTLE WHILE AGO. 
          MY YEARS ON COUNCIL, THE MEETINGS WITH THE NEA BOARD,
WITH THE TOURS OF THE, THE, THE AIRPORT, WITH THE TIMES, WITH THE NCC, WITH THE MEETINGS ATTENDED FOR THE TAC. 
          ALL OF THAT HAS LED TO A PRETTY GOOD KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE AIRPORT,
AS WELL AS AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW WE INTERACT WITH IT. 
          THE BINDER THAT THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY GIVES YOU IS VERY COMPREHENSIVE. 
          IT'S GOT THE AX, IT'S GOT THE BYLAWS, IT'S GOT STRATEGIC PLANS. 
          IT HAS EVERYTHING IN HERE. AND AS YOU CAN SEE,
AS MY TIME ON COUNCIL, WHEN SOMEBODY GIVES ME SOMETHING, I READ IT. I READ EVERY SENTENCE, EVERY APOSTROPHE,
EVERY PERIOD, AND I MAKE SURE I UNDERSTAND IT. 
          SO AS A CANDIDATE FOR THIS BOARD, I'M UNIQUELY SUITED BECAUSE OF MY TIME ON COUNCIL. 
          I'M UNIQUELY SUITED BECAUSE MY TIME IN THE PRIVATE SECTOR I SPENT IN VARIOUS INDUSTRIES OF
COMPLEXITIES, GREAT AND SMALL. I SERVED MANAGEMENT AND EXECUTIVE LEVEL POSITIONS IN MULTIBILLION DOLLAR
COMPANIES DOWN TO SMALL INTERNET STARTUPS. AND IN EACH ONE OF THEM,
MY ROLE WAS TO COME IN AND UNDERSTAND IT, MAKE SURE THAT THE STRATEGY MADE SENSE, MADE SURE THAT THE PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES THAT
WERE IN PLACE COULD DELIVER ON THE STRATEGIES, AND THEN MAKE SURE THAT THE ORGANIZATION WAS DESIGNED AND CAPABLE OF DELIVERING ON THOSE
STRATEGIES. 
          AND THAT WAS MY CAREER, AND THAT WAS THE SUCCESS THAT I HAD. 
          AND THAT'S HOW I OPERATE. AND THAT'S WHAT I WOULD BRING TO THIS BOARD,
A DETERMINATION AND A DELIBERATION THAT I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES SAID WHEN THE AIRPORT WAS NEGOTIATED FOR A DOLLAR,
SHOULD HAVE PUT HIM ON. 
          IT SHOULD HAVE PUT ME ON IT. THIS BOARD HAS ASKED MULTIPLE QUESTIONS. 
          SO I THOUGHT RATHER THAN HAVE YOU GO ROUND AND ROUND,
LET ME JUST TELL YOU SOME OF THE ANSWERS THAT I HAVE. 
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QUESTION. MOVE THE AIRPORT. THE NEA HIRED THE THE CONSULTANT,
WENT THROUGH THE STUDIES AND CAME UP WITH THE ANSWER MOVE ON. 
          TAKING GRANTS. I THINK THAT AS ANY FINANCIAL INSTITUTION,
ANY ANY BUSINESS CONCERN, AND THAT'S WHAT THE AIRPORT IS. 
          THE AIRPORT IS A BUSINESS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT THE EXPENSES ARE OF A BUSINESS AND YOU
LOOK AT WHAT THE REVENUES ARE OF A BUSINESS, YOU HAVE TO MAKE GOOD BUSINESS DECISIONS TO ENSURE YOU CAN ACCOMPLISH YOUR GOALS THROUGH
THE REVENUES AND EXPENSES. 
          SO ANY AND ALL GRANTS THAT ARE COME IN NEED TO BE UNDERSTOOD AS TO THEIR POSITIVES,
TO THE EXPENSES AND THE NEGATIVES, THE DRAWBACKS, THE ASSURANCES. DOES IT MAKE SENSE? DOES IT LEAD TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN? DOES IT ADD POSITIVES TO WHERE THE AIRPORT IS GOING? AND THOSE BUSINESS DECISIONS SHOULD BE DONE EACH TIME IT IS REQUIRED. 
          THE NEXT ONE. AIRPORT. AIRPORT NOISE MITIGATION. 
          STAGE THREE THREE JETS. I THINK WE WERE ALL IN LOCKSTEP SAYING,
YES, THEY SHOULD BE. 
          IS IT AN ISSUE THAT CAN BE TACKLED? NOT IN THE SHORT TERM,
BUT CERTAINLY IN THE LONG TERM. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE I GO BACK TO THE 1997 THROUGH 2001 NEA BOARD. 
          THEY TOOK IT ON AND THEY KEPT PRESSING TO GET IT DONE. 
          THE NEXT ONE IS C. HIGHER, FASTER. THOSE ARE PART OF THE 150 STUDY. 
          HIGHER HOLD LEVELS. THOSE ARE PART OF THE 150 STUDY. 
          THE CURFEW. SHOULD IT BE MANDATORY? I THINK THERE'S ISSUES WITH THE CURFEW THAT SHOULD BE
MANDATORY. 
          BUT THERE ARE WAYS TO GET GREATER COMPLIANCE. 
          WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS I HAVE A THE IN THIS BOOK AND IN SEVERAL THINGS,
IT'S EITHER A 98, 98.2, 98.3, 98.6 COMPLIANCE LEVELS. WHO KNOWS WHAT REALLY. 
          YOU TAKE THAT NUMBER OF FLIGHTS AND THIS NUMBER IS. 
          THIS NUMBER NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD AND HEARD LOUDLY. 
          THE NUMBER OF FLIGHT OPERATIONS AT THE NAPLES AIRPORT. 
          AT THAT AIRPORT IS OVER 123,000. THAT'S MORE THAN OUR CW. 
          THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE. WE HAVE MORE FLIGHT OPERATIONS AT OUR SMALL AIRPORT AT
NAPLES, THEN COME IN AND OUT OF OUR SUITE. SO WHEN YOU APPLY 98,
98.2, 98.3, 98.6 TO THOSE NUMBERS OF 123,000. THAT MEANS THAT THERE'S SEVEN THAT THE AVERAGE COMES OUT TO. 
          AND I CAN'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD MEANS SEVEN VIOLATIONS OF THE CURFEW PER DAY. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING TO BE PROUD OF? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT THOSE PEOPLE UNDERNEATH IT WOULD
SAY GOOD. 
          GOOD JOB. THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY NEEDS TO TAKE THIS ON AND NEEDS TO FIGURE OUT HOW
WITHOUT GOING MANDATORY, HOW THIS VOLUNTARY CAN BE ENFORCED OR HOW IT CAN GET GREATER THAN 98. 
          IT GOES TO 99. IT GOES TO 100. OKAY. ANOTHER SAFETY ISSUES. 
          VICE MAYOR, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE SAFETY ISSUES OF THE PLANE,
THE JET ON 75, ALL BUT A SOUND BARRIER WALL KEPT THAT FROM BEING EVEN A GREATER CATASTROPHE. THAT NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD. 
          THE TWO INCIDENTS AT THE AIRPORT WERE ONE PLANE WENT INTO THE HANGARS AND CRASHED INTO IT. 
          AND THIS LATEST ONE, WHERE THE LADY FLIES IN,
NOSES IT DOWN AND THEN WALKS AWAY. 
          IF ANYBODY SAW HER FLIGHT PATH, THEY WOULD THINK THAT THE SPAGHETTI MODELS FOR A HURRICANE
WOULD MAKE SENSE TO YOU. 
          THERE'S ISSUES. HOW CAN SOMEONE FLY A PLANE INTO THE NAPLES AIRPORT,
NOSE IT INTO IT, NOSE IT DOWN INTO THE RUNWAY, WALK AWAY WITHOUT SOMEBODY KNOWING, WITHOUT SOMEBODY UNDERSTANDING. 
          IT JUST HAPPENED BECAUSE AS I UNDERSTAND, THE ONLY WAY THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY
UNDERSTOOD THAT IT HAPPENED WAS BECAUSE ANOTHER FLIGHT COMING IN EARLY IN THE MORNING SAID, DID YOU KNOW THAT THERE'S A PLANE OUT ON THE ACTIVE RUNWAY? HOW CAN THAT HAVE HAPPENED? HOW COULD THAT HAVE HAPPENED? SO YES, THERE ARE THINGS THAT NEED TO BE DONE THERE. 
          HUBS AT THE AIRPORT, NO UTILIZATION PLAN. THE UTILIZATION PLAN IS TO MAKE SURE IT'S
MAPPING OUT WHAT THE CAPACITY IS FOR THIS AIRPORT, TO MAKE SURE IT UNDERSTANDS WHAT IS GOING TO BE DONE WITH THIS AIRPORT OVER THE NEXT
NUMBER OF YEARS. 
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THE UTILIZATION PLAN IS WHAT IS PRESENTED TO YOU AS COUNSEL FOR YOU TO SAY THAT'S THAT
MAKES SENSE. 
          AND FOR A NUMBER OF OTHER INDIVIDUALS WHO COME UP HERE AND WHO'VE SAID,
WE NEED TO FIGURE IT OUT. 
          THAT'S THE STEP RIGHT THERE. THAT'S THE BEGINNING. 
          SO WHEN SOMEBODY COMES UP AND SAYS, I WANT TO PUT A NEW TERMINAL IN,
SAY, IS THAT ON THE UTILIZATION PLAN AND HOW DOES THAT IMPACT IT, AND HOW IS THAT GOING TO BE INCORPORATED INTO THIS,
INTO THIS COMMUNITY? FLIGHT SCHOOLS, I THINK YOU TALKED ABOUT THOSE,
THE IDEA OF FLIGHT SCHOOLS. 
          ONE OF THE OTHER INDIVIDUALS SAID FLIGHT SCHOOLS WAS GREAT TEN,
20 YEARS AGO WHEN WE HAD A SMALL, NICE LITTLE AIRPORT AT THIS POINT. WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THEM? I THINK THAT REALLY NEEDS A GOOD HARD LOOK, NEEDS A GOOD HARD LOOK,
ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE ONES THAT ARE THE VIOLATORS OF THE CURFEW ARE THE FLIGHT SCHOOLS. 
          WHEN YOU LOOK AT AND YOU SAY, WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE AIRPORT AND HOW IS IT OPERATING,
HOW SHOULD IT OPERATE? AND WHAT WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE ME IN THAT JOB AIM IT TO DO? AIM IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          IT'S IN COMPLIANCE WITH WHAT EVEN THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN IS,
BECAUSE THEIR STRATEGIC PLAN HAS IT LINED OUT TO ITS PURPOSE OF THE AIRPORT, TO ITS CUSTOMER SERVICE VISION,
TO ITS STRATEGIC PRIORITIES AND ITS OPERATING GOALS. 
          AND INSIDE OF THERE, ONE OF THEM SAYS, ESTABLISH COMMON GROUND AND ACTION PLAN WITH THE
CITY OF NAPLES. 
          THAT'S NUMBER ONE IN THEIR STRATEGIC PRIORITIES. 
          AUTHORITIES. WOULD YOU AGREE WITH THAT AS CITY COUNCIL? I WOULD SAY YES. WOULD THE RESIDENTS AGREE WITH THAT? YES. THE NEXT ONE DOWN IN THE GOALS. BE ENGAGED COMMUNITY PARTNERS. 
          YOU SEE CONSTANTLY THAT THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY IS GOING OUT. 
          WE DID 100 OUTREACH MEETINGS. WE DON'T NEED OUTREACH MEETINGS. 
          WE NEED COMMUNICATIONS. WE NEED LISTENING, AND WE NEED ACTION. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS. AND THE OTHER ONE IS PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT AND QUALITY
OF LIFE. 
          THAT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR OUR CITIZENS AND
FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COMMUNITY, AS WELL AS THE RESIDENTS OF COLLIER COUNTY. INSIDE OF THE STRATEGIC PRIORITIES,
THEY HAVE OTHER ONES THAT ARE THE FINANCIAL GOALS. 
          MAKING SURE THAT THIS IS A SOUND FINANCIAL ORGANIZATION THAT MEETS ITS COMMITMENTS,
THAT IT IT MEETS ITS CUSTOMERS, THAT IT HAS AND MAKES SURE THAT IT IS AN EFFICIENT AIRPORT. 
          THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED. 
          THERE DOESN'T NEED TO BE A CREATION. THERE NEEDS TO BE AN IMPLEMENTATION. 
          THESE GOALS ENCOMPASS WHAT OUR WHAT OUR COMP PLAN SAYS. 
          THIS AIRPORT IS A JEWEL. THIS AIRPORT IS A PLUS FOR OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THIS AIRPORT TAKES UP ONE OF THE GREATEST ASSETS THAT THIS CITY HAS. 
          ONE SQUARE MILE OF CITY PROPERTY AND IT DELIVERS BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          BUT IT HAS A MULTIPLE RESPONSIBILITY, NOT JUST TO ITS CLIENTS AND THE CUSTOMERS WHO FLY
IN. 
          NOT A NOT JUST A FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY TO A GOOD OPERATING CONCERN,
BUT IT HAS A RESPONSIBILITY AS MAPPED OUT IN ITS STRATEGIC PRIORITIES AND ITS OPERATING GOALS, TO BE THE NEIGHBOR THAT IT IS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY,
AND IT NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. AND THAT'S WHAT ALL OF THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE 150 WERE. 
          THAT'S WHAT ABOUT THE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT HIGHER,
FASTER, HIGHER HOLD AND ALL OF THE OTHER PART. 
          150. SO WHAT WOULD I DO? YOU JUST HEARD WHAT I WOULD DO. 
          I WOULD BE DEFINED AND I'D BE VERY DELIBERATE. 
          AND I WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THOSE ELEMENTS OF THE PART 150 THAT HAVEN'T BEEN IMPLEMENTED
ARE MOVED FORWARD, MOVE FORWARD IN A VERY CONCERTED WAY, AND MOVE FORWARD IN A WAY THAT THE NA BOARD STOPS
LOOKING TO YOU TO SAY, TELL US WHAT YOU WANT US TO DO AND DO THEIR JOBS AND MAKE THIS A GOOD,
SOUND AIRPORT THAT IS A 
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MEMBER AND A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO THIS COMMUNITY AND DELIVERS THE ECONOMIC VALUE,
BUT THE PEACE AND QUALITY OF LIFE THAT OUR RESIDENTS DESERVE. 
          WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN UP TO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL QUESTIONS. GENTLEMAN. HI. YEAH. YOU JUST MENTIONED IMPLEMENTATION. 
          YES. EXPAND ON THAT. YEAH. YOU KNOW, WHEN WHEN YOU LOOK AT AND YOU SAY,
HERE'S PRIORITIES AND HERE'S GOALS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STRATEGIC PLANS, IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT CITY COUNCIL TALKED ABOUT AND YOU
LOOKED AT WHAT PART 150 CAME UP WITH, THERE'S A LOT THAT HAS NOT BEEN DONE. AND EACH ONE OF THOSE ELEMENTS NEEDS TO BE LOOKED ON
AND FOCUSED AND THEN DRIVEN FORWARD, DRIVEN FORWARD IN A CONCERTED WAY. 
          AND THE ONLY WAY AS AS EVEN THE CONVERSATIONS WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL,
WHEN WE'D HAVE THE JOINT MEETINGS, THE ONLY WAY THAT IT WILL BE SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE THE FAA,
THE FAA, FAA IS A GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRACY, BUT ALSO THE FAA IS AN ORGANIZATION THAT LOOKS AT AND SAYS ONE SIZE FITS ALL. 
          THAT IS THE BEST WAY TO DO THINGS BECAUSE WE HAVE ORDER AND WE ARE NOT ONE SIZE FITS ALL. 
          WE ARE A SEASONAL REGIONAL AIRPORT, NOT EVEN REGIONAL,
THAT HAS PEAKS AND VALLEYS. 
          AND WHEN YOU LOOKED AT SOME OF THE RESPONSES FROM THE FAA,
WHEN THE FAA WHEN THE 150 WENT IN IS, WELL, ON AVERAGE YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. 
          AND EVEN WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL, I SAID, WELL,
THAT WOULD BE LIKE I'M SITTING ON A BLOCK OF ICE WITH MY HAIR ON FIRE. 
          SO ON AVERAGE I'M COMFORTABLE, BUT I STILL HAVE A PROBLEM. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE COMMUNICATING TO THE FAA. 
          AND HOW DO WE DO THAT? WE AS THE NAA BOARD HAVE TO BE RESOLUTE IN OUR DIRECTION. 
          THE THE NOT THE NAA BOARD HAS TO BE RESOLUTE IN ITS DIRECTION. 
          THE NAA MANAGEMENT HAS TO BE IN LOCK STEP WITH IT. 
          AND THEN YOU, AS COUNSEL, NEED TO UNDERSTAND AND BE INCOMPLIANT AND SAY,
YES, THIS IS WHAT IS GOING TO BE ADDRESSING OUR ISSUES AND THIS IS WHAT WILL GIVE US SUCCESS AS A COMMUNITY. AND THEN GO TO THE FAA BECAUSE THE FAA IS GOING TO LOOK,
SAY YOU GUYS AREN'T TOGETHER. 
          WHY WOULD WE MOVE? AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE MISSING RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT THAT'S WHAT I WILL PUSH FOR. SO YOU'RE PUSHING FOR COHESION? YES. YES, ABSOLUTELY. AND AT THAT POINT, GO TO THE FAA AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO
DO. 
          YEAH. OKAY. AND YOU FEEL THAT'S BEEN LACKING. 
          YES. AND I FEEL IT'S ABSOLUTELY ATTAINABLE. ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. YEAH. NOW, CONSIDERATION FOR THE DISAFFECTED. 
          WHERE DO YOU STAND ON THAT? CONSIDER. I'M SORRY I COULDN'T. 
          CONSIDERATION FOR THOSE THAT ARE DISAFFECTED BY THE AIRPORT NOISE PROBLEMS. SO? SO ON AND SO FORTH. WHERE WHERE DOES THAT FIT INTO TO YOUR RUBRIC? I THINK THAT WHEN I WAS TALKING ABOUT AND COMMUNICATING WHAT'S IN THE COMP PLAN,
WHAT'S EVEN IN THE PRIORITIES AND THE STRATEGIC PLAN FOR THE AIRPORT, IT'S AN UNDERSTANDING AND AN ACCEPTANCE OF THE ISSUES THAT OUR RESIDENTS HAVE AND THEN
MOVE FORWARD AND ADDRESSING THEM BECAUSE AND ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING SHOULD BE DONE TO DO THAT. BECAUSE THIS AIRPORT, AS I THINK ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS SAID SINCE
THE, SINCE THE PANDEMIC, THE THE NUMBER OF FLIGHTS,
THE JETS VERY SPECIFICALLY HAS HAS INCREASED 50% OVER THAT. 
          THE PROJECTION FROM THE NA BACK THEN WAS FOR A MODERATE,
AND I THINK THAT IN 2020, THEY PROJECTED IN 2023 THAT WE DIDN'T EVEN MAKE IT TO 2021. AND WE FAR EXCEEDED WHAT 2023 WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AT. 
          AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE UNDERSTOOD AND ADDRESSED.
AND ANY AND ALL MEASURES NEED TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. YES. 
          YEAH. SO HIGHER FASTER HIGHER FASTER. HOLD 1000 FOOT. 
          HOLD 1000FT DECREASES THE IMPACT OF DECIBELS BY GREATER THAN FIVE DECIBELS. 
          FIVE. SOUNDS LIKE A SMALL NUMBER. WHEN YOU LOOK AT ONE DECIBEL DIFFERENCE,
IT'S NOT JUST A SINGLE NUMBER, IT IS EXPONENTIAL. SO WHEN YOU GO FROM 1 TO 5,
IT'S NOT JUST FIVE DECIBELS. 
          IT'S LIKE TEN TIMES DECREASE IN THE SOUND LEVELS. 
          AND THAT'S AN IMPORTANT FACT TO TO REMEMBER AS,
AS WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THESE AND WHAT THE 150 CAME OUT AND SAID. 
          SO I'M LOOKING AT. DATA HERE HAVING TO DO WITH NOISE. 
          AND THERE'S NO QUESTION THAT WINDERMERE SEEMS TO HAVE THE MOST NUMBER OF FLIGHTS,
AND THE DBS IS 
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HOVERING AROUND 78. NEXT IS OLD NAPLES AT 38,
BUT THE DBS ARE AT 86. AQUILINE HAS 27. THE DBS THERE. 
          PARDON ME, THE DBS AND AQUILINE 9999. SO, YOU KNOW,
IT'S VERY THANKS TO THE AIRPORT DOING THESE STUDIES, IT'S VERY GOING TO BE VERY EASY TO CONVINCE THE FAA. 
          WE GOT A PROBLEM. YEAH. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH,
BUT THIS IS. 
          BEAR THAT IN MIND. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE VICE MAYOR AND THEN KRAMER. THANK YOU,
MADAM MAYOR. 
          AND THANK YOU, MR. MCCABE. APPRECIATE THAT. JUST TWO,
TWO POINTS. 
          THAT. AND YOU HIT ON A LOT OF THEM, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND I WOULDN'T HAVE EXPECTED ANYTHING LESS, GIVEN YOUR EXPERIENCE UP HERE ON THIS DAIS IN
THE VARIOUS COMMITTEES THAT YOU'VE SET ON. 
          BUT THE THE NAPLES MUNICIPAL AIRPORT, AS YOU SAID,
IS A HUGE FINANCIAL ASSET FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES. 
          YES. NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. COUNCILWOMAN PENMAN HAS RAISED CONCERNS RELATED TO RESILIENCY
ACTIONS WHICH MUST HAPPEN IN ORDER TO PROTECT AIRPORT ASSETS. IN FACT, EVEN TODAY, MOSQUITO CONTROL EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR PATRICK LYNN ALSO
SPOKE OF RESILIENCY CONCERNS WITH THEIR ASSETS ON THE LEASED AIRPORT PROPERTY,
AND THEY HAD PICTURES OF IT WHERE YOU COULD ACTUALLY VISUALIZE THE THREAT FROM STORMS. WHAT ACTIONS WOULD YOU SUPPORT FOR DEVELOPING AND EXECUTING A RESILIENCY PLAN TO PROTECT
THE AIRPORT? YEAH, YEAH. IF YOU LOOK AT THE PROPERTY THE AIRPORT IS ON,
IT'S BIGGER THAN JUST THE AIRPORT. 
          IT HAS AN IMPACT TO THE CITY RIGHT ON THE GORDON RIVER AND RIGHT ON THE CREEK. 
          YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT IS GOING ON AT THE AIRPORT DOESN'T IMPACT THE OTHER PARTS
OF THIS, OF THIS CITY, BUT ALSO RAISING. AND I THINK THEY'RE DOING SEVERAL OF THEM RAISING SOME OF
THE ELECTRICAL, RAISING SOME OF THE FUEL TANKS, MAKING SURE THAT THERE ISN'T ISSUE TO THE COMMUNITY AS A
RESULT OF IT. 
          EVEN GOING FARTHER, TRYING TO SEE HOW THEY CAN THEY CAN KEEP THE FLOODWATERS FROM COMING
IN FLOOD WALLS BERMS, THOSE KIND OF THINGS. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. YEAH. 
          ONE OTHER POINT I'D LIKE TO MAKE. WE'VE HEARD DISCUSSION WITH VARIOUS APPLICANTS,
CANDIDATES FOR THIS COMMISSION. AND THE SUBJECT OF NOISE HAS COME UP TIME AND TIME AGAIN. 
          IT'S ALL IT'S COME UP IN THE PAST. IT CAME UP TODAY AGAIN. 
          AND THERE WAS I PULLED FROM IT SOME COMMENTS THAT INDICATED IT'S JUST A FEW PEOPLE. 
          IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST DOWN THIS CORRIDOR AND IT'S NOT AS SIGNIFICANT AS WHAT OTHERS
MIGHT THINK. 
          BUT THE PART 150 STUDY SHOWED THAT 4400 RESIDENTS ARE SUBJECTED TO 80 DECIBEL NOISE LEVELS
OR HIGHER. YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT NOISE LEVELS AND HOW TO THINK ABOUT ONE INCREMENT ABOVE OUR CODE. SO THIS GROUP IS NOT A VOCAL MINORITY. 
          I'VE HEARD THAT TERM TOO. WE'VE ALL HEARD IT THAT IT'S JUST A VOCAL MINORITY THAT IS
CONCERNED ABOUT THE NOISE. 
          BUT 4400 RESIDENTS ARE SUBJECTED TO THAT. ADB,
AND I BELIEVE IT'S A HUGE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS WHO REALLY CAN'T BE HEARD ABOVE THE NOISE, VIOLATING OUR NOISE CODE. DO YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT HOW BEST TO REALLY START
SOLVING THE NOISE PROBLEM? I THINK YOU SAID IT, AND I THINK COUNCILWOMAN PENNIMAN SAID IT FIRST,
SAYING THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM. I MEAN, THERE'S I MEAN, THE FAA WAS SAYING,
I DON'T SEE IT. 
          THERE IS A PROBLEM. 80DB, 80DB IS ITS LIFE IMPACTING? IT IS IT IS DISABLING AT TIMES. SAYING THAT THERE'S A PROBLEM AND THEN MOVING FORWARD WITH
THE SOLUTIONS THAT ALREADY HAVE BEEN IDENTIFIED IN THE 150 IS WHAT WE NEED TO DO. THERE IS A NOISE PROBLEM FROM THE AIRPORT. 
          SO WILL IT GO AWAY? NO. HOW CAN WE IMPACT IT? 
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HOW CAN WE? HOW CAN WE MITIGATE IT SO THAT IT WILL BE BETTER? AND I THINK ONE OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES WAS TALKING ABOUT WELL,
IN THE FUTURE, THEY KEEP BUILDING. 
          SO IT'S GOING TO GET WORSE AND WORSE. WELL, THERE IS A CAPACITY THERE'S A CAPACITY WITH
WHICH THIS AIRPORT CAN OPERATE. 
          AND I THINK ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES TALKED ABOUT HOW THE TIMING OF THE
THAT'S EXACTLY IT TELLING THAT WE CANNOT JUST HANDLE AN UNLIMITED FLOW. 
          THIS AIRPORT IS NOT UNLIMITED AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF FLIGHTS IT CAN COME IN,
AND IT IS NOT UNLIMITED AS TO WHAT THE COMMUNITY CAN BE SUBJECTED TO EITHER. 
          SO WE NEED TO FIND THAT AND BUILD THAT IN. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. JIM CRAMER. YEAH. REAL QUICK. 
          THANKS VERY MUCH. IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU. AND I AM STRUCK AGAIN. 
          I HAVE TO SAY, JUST LIKE WHEN YOU WERE ON COUNCIL,
IT'S NOT THAT YOU JUST KNOW THE STUFF AND YOU'RE PREPARED. 
          YEAH. BUT YOU ARE. PEOPLE COULD LOVE YOU, HATE YOU,
BUT YOU ARE A COMMUNICATOR. 
          YOU. YOU SIMULTANEOUSLY LECTURED US. I DON'T KNOW IF I WAS IN CHURCH. 
          I DIDN'T KNOW IF I WAS IN A CLASSROOM. YOU YOU YOU QUESTIONED US WITH A PREGNANT PAUSE. 
          THEN YOU MADE US SIMULTANEOUSLY AS YOU WERE SPEAKING. 
          YOU QUESTIONED US SUBTLY, LIKE THAT WAS JUST EVERYTHING. 
          THAT WAS FANTASTIC. I'D HAVE TO SAY. OKAY, SERIOUSLY,
THAT'S AMAZING HOW YOU CAN DO THAT. 
          JUST TWO QUICK THINGS. YEAH. WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE OUTREACH MEETINGS AND YOU SAID,
WE DON'T NEED THOSE. 
          WE NEED CONVERSATIONS, WE NEED LISTENING, AND WE NEED ACTION. 
          I BELIEVE THAT'S A QUOTE. HOW IS THAT? I DON'T KNOW,
BECAUSE I HAVE NOT BEEN PRIVY TO. 
          HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT AN OUTREACH MEETING WOULD BE? OKAY. YEAH. THE THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT OUR COMMUNITY HAS COMMUNICATED TO THE AIRPORT,
THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS COMMUNICATED TO THIS, THIS COUNCIL AND TO THE NA BOARD HAS BEEN EXTENSIVE. 
          WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WE CAN DO WITH IT NOW AND MOVE FORWARD. 
          AND I THINK THE COMMUNITY IS LOOKING FOR THAT. 
          THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THE ACTIONS THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. IS THIS IS THIS GOING TO BE ANOTHER
MEETING THAT IS GOING TO BE CHECKED OFF AND ADDED TO AND THE NUMBER THAT YOU HAVE, SO YOU CAN FEEL GOOD ABOUT IT OR ARE YOU GOING TO DO
SOMETHING. 
          ARE YOU GOING TO ACTUALLY COME FORWARD WITH AND ADDRESS OUR ISSUES. 
          THAT'S THE IMPORTANT PART. AND THAT'S WHAT I SAY THE DIFFERENCE IS. OKAY. 
          AND THEN WHEN YOU AND THIS IS I DON'T KNOW IF I MISUNDERSTOOD,
BUT AFTER THAT YOU SAID IT'S TIME FOR THE BOARD TO STOP ASKING COUNCIL FOR DIRECTION AND TO DO THEIR JOBS. AND I THINK THE WHOLE AND I'M NOT THAT NEW ANYMORE,
BUT THE CONTENTION FOR MUCH MOST OF MY TIME ON COUNCIL HAS BEEN THAT IS WE WANT TO GIVE THIS COUNCIL, WE'RE GIVING YOU DIRECTION AND YOU'RE GOING TO DO WHAT WE SAY. 
          WE WANT MORE LOCAL CONTROL MEANS YOU DO WHAT NAPLES CITY COUNCIL SAYS. 
          YEAH. AND SO I SEE A TENSION THAT EXISTS THERE IF LIKE,
WHAT IS THE CASE, IN MY VIEW, IT'S AN INDEPENDENT BOARD AND DOES ITS THING AND WE APPOINT PEOPLE AND TURN THEM LOOSE. I THINK THAT'S WHAT I'M HEARING FROM YOU,
BUT THAT HAS NOT BEEN THE CONSENSUS OF MY COLLEAGUES. 
          OKAY. THE CONSENSUS HAS BEEN WE WANT LOCAL CONTROL MEANS THIS GROUP. 
          IT DOESN'T MEAN AND THAT BOARD SHOULD REFLECT WHATEVER IT IS THAT WE'RE THE DIRECTION,
WHATEVER DIRECTION WE'RE GIVING THEM. 
          AND IF I'M MISTAKEN ON THAT, FORGIVE ME. THAT'S BEEN JUST WHAT I THINK I'VE LIVED FOR THE
LAST YEAR AND A HALF. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT HOW THAT TENSION IS RESOLVED. 
          AND I THINK IT WOULD COME DOWN MY, MY GUT IS. 
          AS MY COLLEAGUE SAID, HOPEFULLY, I THINK THERE IS CONSENSUS. 
          I THINK THERE ARE THINGS WE ABSOLUTELY AGREE ON AND A WAY FORWARD. 
          AND IT MAY NOT BE AS FAST AS SOME WOULD LIKE. AND YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO PLEASE EVERYONE.
SO I'M HOPING THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS, IS, IS THAT THE BOARD GETS TO ACT AS AN INDEPENDENT AGENT AND
THAT WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE GOING TO BE THOSE THAT ARE NEVER GOING TO BE HAPPY ON EITHER SIDE OF THE EQUATION. 
          AND WE JUST HAVE TO REALIZE THAT IS IS THAT ABOUT DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT IN,
IN ANY ISSUE, ESPECIALLY IN, IN THE BUSINESS WORLD. YOU UNDERSTAND? YOU LISTEN. YOU PUT TOGETHER THE COURSE OF ACTION AND YOU BUILD CONSENSUS,
AND THEN YOU MOVE FORWARD AND YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH A DIRECT MANNER. 
          BUT YOU'RE ALWAYS LOOKING TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE WATCHING THE MILEPOSTS ALONG THE ROAD. 
          BECAUSE IF THAT CONCERTED DIRECTION IS TAKING YOU INTO A DITCH,
YOU COURSE CORRECT. 
          AND THAT'S PART OF THE LISTENING, THAT'S PART OF THE COMMUNICATION THAT WOULD GO ON.
THAT'S THAT WOULD BE WHAT THIS WHAT THIS IS LEADING TO AND HOW A SUCCESS MODEL WOULD BE THE NEA BEING STRONG IN ITS DIRECTION,
BEING STRONG IN TAKING ITS ROLE AND THEN RUNNING FORWARD, 
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BUT ALSO COMMUNICATING AND TOUCHING BASE WITH YOU TO MAKE SURE,
BECAUSE I DON'T THINK ANYONE IN THIS COUNCIL WOULD SAY THAT ANY OF THE MITIGATION NOISE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE 150 YOU WOULD SAY NO TO,
WHY WOULD YOU SAY NO TO THEM? I MEAN, IF YOU WOULD SAY NO, THEN LET'S BRING IT UP AND LET'S TALK ABOUT IT. 
          BUT IF THEY ARE, THEN THE NA SHOULD BE MOVING FORWARD. 
          IT SHOULDN'T BE CONSTANTLY GOING, AM I OKAY? ARE WE OKAY? YEAH. I THINK WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO? WE THEY SHOULD BE DOING IT. 
          YEAH. I THINK THAT ENVIRONMENT WAS CREATED TO LOOK OVER OUR SHOULDER ENVIRONMENT BY
PRESSURE FROM THIS GROUP AND FROM FOLKS IN. 
          BECAUSE HERE'S WHAT I CAN SEE HAPPENING. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ELECTION SOON. SOME FOLKS
GET ONTO THIS BOARD, NEW COUNCIL, DIFFERENT DYNAMICS. AND NOW AND NOW THERE'S CONFLICT THERE. 
          YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? YEAH. AND THAT'S THAT'S NOT TO BE THE CASE. 
          YEAH. YEAH. IN IN IN EACH ONE OF THESE, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE COMMUNITY AS WHAT WE HAVE IN
OUR, IN OUR VISION BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY IS WHAT YOU SERVE ON THE BOARD IS THE COMMUNITY THAT
IT SERVES, AND IT'S THE AIRPORT THAT IT SERVES. IT HAS A DUAL FUNCTION,
AND THAT HAS TO BE WHERE HIS VISION IS AND THE DIRECTION WITH WHICH IT'S GOING. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK I WOULD TAKE IT IN. ABSOLUTELY. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. AND COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER. I BELIEVE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS SO VERY TRUE. 
          AND THAT'S WHY IT'S SO DISTURBING THAT TO ME,
TO HAVE WATCHED PRIOR TO MY BEING AN ELECTED OFFICIAL IN OH EIGHT, AT LEAST 5 TO 10 YEARS PRIOR TO THAT PART 150 STUDIES BEING DONE AND NO FOLLOW THROUGH. 
          AND THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I THINK THE ACTION LACKS. 
          EITHER YOU'RE GOING TO FOLLOW THROUGH OR NOT. 
          AND I HEARD TODAY ONE 60 ONE SHOULD HAVE BEEN SHOULD BE OUR NEXT STEP. 
          BUT WE CAN TALK ABOUT THAT. AND I JUST WANT TO GIVE PROPS TO THE FOLKS BEFORE YOU THAT DID
GET THE JET BAN DONE, BECAUSE THAT WAS HEAVY LIFTING AND THEY DID GET SOMETHING DONE. SO IT WASN'T LIKE IT WAS
ALL BAD. 
          IT'S KIND OF LIKE DOING A STUDY AND THEN GOING MAYBE WE'LL DO IT,
MAYBE WE WON'T. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN. 
          WE'RE NOT DOING THAT AT THIS COUNCIL COUNCIL MEMBER CHRISTMAN. 
          MR. MCCABE, THANK YOU FOR APPLYING. I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO. 
          I DO HAVE 1 OR 2 QUESTIONS. I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A HISTORICAL DEBATE. 
          I I, I DON'T AGREE WITH YOUR CHARACTERIZATION OF RECENT YEARS. 
          YOUR, YOUR LONG HISTORY OF THE AIRPORT WAS WELL DONE AND STATED,
AND I'VE READ ABOUT IT TOO. 
          AND, AND BUT THE, THE RECENT HISTORY THAT'S,
SAY, GOING BACK TO THE TIME WHEN YOU WERE ON COUNCIL REGARDING THE ROLE OF COUNCIL, THE ROLE OF THE NA. I JUST DON'T DON'T AGREE WITH I'M PLEASED THAT YOU NOW HAVE A
DIFFERENT VIEW THAN YOU ESPOUSED FROM THIS DAIS ON SOME OF THESE ISSUES. AND WE ALL EVOLVE. 
          WE ALL DEVELOP DIFFERENT VIEWS OVER TIME. AND I'M GLAD YOUR VIEWS ON PART 150 AND ON THE
ROLE OF COUNCIL, THE ROLE OF NA HAS EVOLVED. AND YOUR ROLE ON,
YOU KNOW, THE FUTURE OF THE AIRPORT, NOT MOVING THE AIRPORT ALL THESE THINGS. 
          I AGREE WITH YOU NOW, BUT NOT ALWAYS IN THE PAST. 
          I WOULD, I WOULD QUESTION TO TO OTHER ASSERTIONS YOU'VE MADE. 
          FIRST OF ALL, YOU SEEM TO SAY THAT. WELL, YOU SAY THAT THE NA MUST BE RESOLUTE IN ITS
DIRECTION. 
          I AGREE WITH THAT. BUT CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC? I MEAN, TELL ME. I'VE GIVEN THIS EXAMPLE SEVERAL TIMES TODAY AND YOU'VE BEEN LISTENING. 
          IN JUNE OF THIS YEAR, THE NA LEADERSHIP CAME TO THIS COUNCIL AND SAID IN ORDER TO TRY TO
MOVE THE BALL FORWARD AND HAVE A CLEAR STRATEGY FOR ADDRESSING THE NOISE ISSUE WE SUGGEST THAT WE FOCUS ON THREE
GOALS THE BAN ON STAGE THREE AIRCRAFT, THE MOVING, THE MAKING THE VOLUNTARY CURFEW MANDATORY, AND NUMBER THREE, INSTITUTING A METERING PLAN TO TRY TO MANAGE FLOW AND
CAPACITY AND THE AIRPORT. 
          AND THAT WENT NOWHERE HERE AT THIS COUNCIL AND NO ACTION WAS TAKEN BY US. 
          WE WE SORT OF A NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON THIS DAIS TODAY MADE NEGATIVE COMMENTS ABOUT IT AND IT
DIED. 
          TO ME, THAT IS AN EXAMPLE ON THE PART OF THE AIRPORT LEADERSHIP OF RESOLUTE DIRECTION. 
          NOW, YOU MAY DISAGREE WITH THE SPECIFICS. AND YOU DIDN'T LIKE ALL THREE,
OR YOU DIDN'T LIKE TWO OF THEM, 
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OR SOMEBODY ELSE MAY DISAGREE WITH THEM. BUT THEN I THINK ANYBODY WHO TAKES THAT POSITION
WOULD HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO SAY, OKAY, HERE'S A BETTER IDEA OR BETTER IDEAS. BUT MY POINT IS THAT. 
          MOVING FROM THE ABSTRACT TO THE SPECIFIC, WHAT IS IT THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE NBA DO
FROM AN ACTION STANDPOINT, FROM A PRIORITY STANDPOINT, FROM A GOAL STANDPOINT,
FROM AN OUTCOME STANDPOINT THAT YOU DON'T THINK THEY'RE DOING NOW. 
          AND THEN LET ME SAY ONE MORE THING. I'LL FINISH. 
          YOU MENTIONED HIGHER FASTER AND WHICH RELATES TO OPTIMIZED FLIGHT PATHS AND SO ON. 
          AGAIN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT FOR THE LAST REALLY TWO YEARS,
SINCE THE PAR 150 STUDY WAS COMPLETED, THE NA HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE FAA ON AN EFFORT TO TRY TO DO VARIOUS. 
          THEY'VE BROUGHT IN A CONSULTANT, DO VARIOUS KINDS OF TESTS AND STUDIES,
AND FIGURE OUT HOW CAN SOMETHING BE IMPLEMENTED WITH FAA APPROVAL THAT WOULD PROVIDE SOME, SOME, SOME RELIEF IN THAT REGARD? AGAIN,
A SPECIFIC ACTION THAT'S BEING DONE AND IN THAT VERY AREA. 
          I'M NOT ARGUING THE NRA HAS DONE EVERYTHING AND ANYTHING THEY SHOULD. 
          I'M SIMPLY SAYING THAT I'M SIMPLY GIVING SOME EXAMPLES OF THE NRA TAKING ACTION. 
          AND I AGREE WITH COUNCILMAN CRAMER FOR THE LAST 4 OR 5 YEARS,
INCLUDING THE TIME YOU WERE HERE ON COUNCIL THE NRA HAS BEEN SORT OF BEATEN DOWN BY A MAJORITY ATTITUDE. I DON'T WANT TO ASSOCIATE MYSELF WITH IT HERE ON
COUNCIL COUNCIL SAYING, WE'RE GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT TO DO. WE'RE GOING TO TELL YOU WHAT THE PRIORITIES OUGHT TO
BE. 
          AND THE NRA HAS TRIED TO ACCOMMODATE ITSELF TO THAT. 
          AND RATHER THAN TO ASSUME THE ROLE, WHICH I THINK IT SHOULD ASSUME AS BEING THE
INDEPENDENT AUTHORITY IN CHARGE OF THE AIRPORT. SO I'M, I'M, I'M PROVIDING A LITTLE BIT OF REVISIONIST HISTORY,
AT LEAST IN MY MIND, AND ALSO ASKING YOU IF YOU COULD BE MORE SPECIFIC ABOUT WHAT ARE SOME THINGS YOU WOULD
LIKE TO SEE THE BOARD DO THAT IT HASN'T DONE SO FAR? THAT'S FINE, BECAUSE I KIND OF GOT LOST IN IN YOUR CONVERSATION THERE. 
          WHAT WHERE YOU WERE TRYING TO GO WITH IT. AND THE ONLY THING I KIND OF GOT WAS TOWARDS THE
END WAS THAT THERE WAS THE QUESTION, AND THE QUESTION IS, WHAT WOULD I DO? I THINK THE ANSWER IS AS SIMPLE AS THE 150 STUDY. 
          THE 150 STUDY HAS THE ELEMENTS TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES OF THE COMMUNITY,
AND WE DON'T NEED TO LOOK ANY FURTHER THAN THE 150 STUDY. 
          IT'S THERE, THERE IN BLACK AND WHITE. SO I JUST TALKED ABOUT THEM AND YOU EVEN MENTIONED
THEM. 
          I MEAN, THOSE ARE THE WAYS THAT THAT NOISE CAN BE MITIGATED. 
          AND NOT JUST SMALL BUT LARGE, INCLUDING THE BAND'S ON STAGE THREE OR METERING AND THIS
SORT OF THING. 
          THAT'S EXCUSE ME, THE EXAMPLES I GAVE, WHICH ARE REALLY EXAMPLES OF THE AIR BOARD BROUGHT
TO US ARE IN YOUR ARE YOU SAYING WERE IDEAS THAT SURFACED IN THE 150 STUDY? I MEAN,
YOU WERE THERE AS WELL. 
          THE 150 STUDY THEY HAD, THEY LITERALLY HAD A SLIDE THAT HAD TEN ELEMENTS OF THE 150 STUDY. 
          AND MY POINT IS THOSE THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN COMING TO US FROM THE BOARD OVER THE LAST
SEVERAL YEARS. 
          SO YOU'RE YOU'RE IN AGREEMENT. THAT'S A GOOD THING. 
          WELL THAT'S WHAT I ALWAYS SAID EVEN WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL. 
          I MEAN I WAS THE ONE THAT EVEN SAID ON THAT DAY ON THAT COUNCIL WHEN THEY PRESENTED IT
THAT THOSE TWO, THOSE THAT, THAT TEN ELEMENTS, THAT WAS THE,
THAT WAS THE SUCCESS, THAT WAS THE ROAD TO SUCCESS. 
          SO WHEN YOU SAY I'M MISCHARACTERIZED WHAT I SAID,
NO, I WAS VERY CLEAR AND I WOULD BE VERY CLEAR ON THE NEA BOARD. 
          THERE IS A MAP TO SUCCESS TO ADDRESS THE ISSUES. 
          YEAH. AND THE THE MAP HAS BEEN. CONTINUED TO BE WORKED ON BY THE YOU'RE YOU SEEM TO BE VERY CRITICAL OF THE NEA BOARD AND STAFF AND
NOT MOVING FORWARD. 
          BUT MAYBE THAT WASN'T YOUR INTENTION. I WHAT I AM SAYING IS THE COMMUNITY NEEDS ACTION. 
          THIS HAS BEEN YEARS, NOT MONTHS, YEARS. AND WHAT THE NEA BOARD HAD IN FRONT OF THEM, AND WHAT THEY CAME TO COUNCIL IN THE JOINT MEETINGS WAS HERE'S THE TEN WE WHEN I WAS ON
COUNCIL. 
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GOOD TO GO. THEN THE NEXT RESPONSE WOULD BE WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE WHAT YOU MEAN. 
          AND IN ANY BUSINESS THAT'S OUT THERE, CLEAR DIRECTION IS TAKEN AND ACTED UPON. 
          THAT'S IF THAT'S A CRITIQUE. NO, THAT'S JUST A STATEMENT. 
          THAT'S WHAT GOOD BUSINESS DOES. WHAT? I'M NOT FOLLOWING YOU. 
          NOW, I CAN SEE THAT WHEN THE DIRECTION IS GIVEN,
WHICH IT WAS, IT WAS WHEN THE UNDERSTANDING WAS DIRECTION WAS GIVEN. BY WHOM? BY THE CITY COUNCIL. WELL, THAT'S ANOTHER DEBATABLE POINT. 
          WELL, I MEAN, YOU OFTEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOURSELF. 
          I GUESS I GUESS I'M TALKING ABOUT WHAT I'LL DO IS I'LL PUSH BACK TO YOU. 
          THIS IS AN INTERVIEW. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO DEBATE,
I WOULD LOVE TO. 
          LET'S. WE CAN MEET AT ANY TIME YOU WANT IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION,
PLEASE ASK THE QUESTION. 
          I WILL GIVE YOU THE ANSWER AND LOOK. LOOK FOR THIS TO BE WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE IS A A
UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT I WOULD BRING AND ACCOMPLISH GIVEN A NOMINATION TO THE BOARD. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. MCCABE. YES, I LISTENED TO YOUR 20 MINUTE LECTURE. 
          I'VE TRIED TO ASK A FEW QUESTIONS. YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANT TO ANSWER MY QUESTIONS. 
          I THINK I'VE ANSWERED EVERY QUESTION. WE'LL LET IT GO AT THAT. 
          OKAY. I'VE ANSWERED EVERY QUESTION THAT YOU HAD. 
          I, I WENT AND LISTENED TO YOUR DIATRIBE AND TRIED TO PICK OUT WHERE A QUESTION WAS. 
          DIATRIBE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET INTO THAT. MR. MCCABE. PLEASE. THANK YOU. YOU YOU YOU'VE YOU'VE YOU'VE SPOKEN AS YOU NORMALLY DO. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. 
          IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, I I'LL GO BACK TO MY QUESTIONS. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT THE UTILIZATION PLAN IS? YES. THANK YOU. 
          AND YOU WOULD AGREE THERE'S BEEN MORE GROWTH AT THE MUNICIPAL AIRPORT WHEN WE'VE ASKED FOR
THE INCREASE NOT TO HAPPEN. 
          YES. ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH THE LEASES AND THE AGREEMENTS? WITH THE ENTITIES AT THE AIRPORT? YES. YEAH. ARE YOU A FRIEND OF THE AIRPORT IN THE ORGANIZATION? NO. 
          NO. OKAY. AGAIN, IT'S OKAY TO BE A FRIEND OF THE AIRPORT. 
          WE ALL LIKE THE AIRPORT, SO. YES. YES. WITH THAT. 
          OH. DO YOU HAVE ANY BUSINESS INTEREST OR INVESTMENTS AT THE AIRPORT? NO. NO. OKAY. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE ALL DAY LONG AND FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SERVE ON THE
NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT INTERVIEW WILL BE WITH GREG MELANSON. 
          GOOD EVENING. I MEAN, GOOD AFTERNOON. LET ME JUST SAY THAT WHAT I'VE LEARNED SO FAR IS I
WOULD NEVER DO WHAT YOU GUYS DO. 
          THIS IS AMAZING. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU KEEP UP WITH ALL AS MANY PRESENTATIONS HAVE BEEN
MADE AND THEN COME BACK WITH GOOD QUESTIONS, BUT IT'S IMPRESSIVE. AND WE HAVE READ YOUR RESUME. 
          I KNOW YOU'RE VERY FAMILIAR. I AM FULLY BRIEFED ON WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SAY. 
          NO. THANK YOU. WOULD YOU LIKE US TO. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE. 
          WELL, I'LL JUST. I'LL BE VERY BRIEF. I THINK EVERYBODY DESERVES THAT RIGHT NOW. 
          MY NAME IS GREG MELANSON. I'VE LIVED IN NAPLES 11 YEARS. 
          LIVE IN IN FORT CHARLES DRIVE. JUST I LIKE THE AIRPORT. 
          I SUPPORT THE AIRPORT AND THE COMMUNITY. NOT JUST THE AIRPORT COMMUNITY,
BUT THE NAPLES COMMUNITY. 
          I FEEL VERY, VERY LUCKY THAT I LIVE HERE, AND I DON'T WANT TO LIVE ANYWHERE ELSE. 
          I AM AN ACTIVE CURRENT PILOT IN BOTH FIXED WING AND ROTORCRAFT. 
          I HAVE A HANGAR. I FLY A LIGHT BUSINESS JET,
AND I FLY A LIGHT HELICOPTER. 
          SO I THINK THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT SEPARATES ME FROM IT. 
          MAKES ME UNIQUE, BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE ANYBODY ELSE HAS THAT. 
          AND THAT'S THE REASON I'M HERE. WHAT I SEE IS A NEED FOR BALANCE IN AND THE NA AND IT WITH THE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING OFF AND THE REST OF IT. 
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IT WAS WHEN I UNDERSTOOD THAT BETTER IS WHEN I PUT MY NAME IN. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE HIGH EXPECTATIONS,
BUT I THINK I COULD BE A BENEFIT IN TERMS OF ACTIVELY INVOLVED IN THE NA FROM A PILOT'S PERSPECTIVE, BECAUSE AND IT'S NOT WORTH GOING INTO ALL THE DETAIL,
BUT THERE ARE SO MANY MISSTATEMENTS OR I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT HUGE, BUT FROM A PILOT'S PERSPECTIVE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE KIND OF
INCORRECT. 
          BUT WHAT I SEE IS THAT I, I'VE BEEN TO SEVERAL OF THESE THINGS. 
          THE PROGRESS THAT WAS MADE ON THE FLIGHT PATHS NOISE THE HIGHER STEEPER APPROACHES YOU
KNOW, THAT'S A PRETTY BIG DEAL. AND I WAS I WAS VERY IMPRESSED THAT,
YOU KNOW, BUT I FORGET WHO SAID IT, BUT IT'S INCREMENTAL, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A STEP. 
          IT'S NOT IT'S NOT A SOLUTION. BUT IT WORKS. AND I'M PROBABLY,
I'M ALMOST CERTAIN, THE ONLY ONE IN THIS ROOM WHO'S FLOWN THE APPROACHES THREE TIMES. 
          AND I'VE DONE FIVE HELICOPTER OPERATIONS. WHEN I SAY THAT,
JUST LIKE FLYING TO EVERGLADES CITY OR IMMOKALEE, BUT WITH THE NEW PROCEDURES, AND YOU HAVE A WHOLE SET OF THEM,
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE OF IT JUST FOR HELICOPTERS. 
          SO THE ONLY PROBLEM IS THAT TOWER TELLS YOU SOMETHING DIFFERENT,
AND YOU DO HAVE TO DO WHAT THE TOWER TELLS YOU. 
          BUT WE'RE UP AND AWAY AND GONE RIGHT AWAY. SO I'M ENCOURAGED. 
          AND I THINK THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THAT HAVE PRESENTED SOME MORE VOLUMINOUS THAN OTHERS
THAT WE NEED TO GET SOME ACTION, SOME SOLUTIONS THAT ARE TANGIBLE SO THAT YOU CAN GO TO THE NEIGHBOR AND
SAY, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'VE DONE, THIS IS WHAT WE PLAN TO DO. 
          OR AND HEY, MAYBE THOSE HEADSETS AREN'T A BAD IDEA,
YOU KNOW? I MEAN, AT LEAST IT SHOWS THAT WE CARE AND IMPROVE THE COMMUNICATION. 
          SO. I'M DIGRESSING, BUT I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW I GAVE A LOT OF CONSIDERATION BEFORE
APPLYING FOR THIS, BECAUSE I KNOW THE COMMITMENT IS WAY BEYOND THE MEETINGS,
SO. 
          AND I'M THE FIRST ONE TO TELL YOU, I, I DON'T KNOW,
SOME OF THIS STUFF. 
          I KNOW A LOT ABOUT FLYING. I KNOW A LOT ABOUT AIRPORTS. 
          AIRPORT BUSINESSES. I CAN COMMUNICATE WELL WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS AT THE AIRPORT. 
          I THINK I COULD COMMUNICATE WELL WITH THE OTHER MEMBERS AT THE NA. 
          MORE IMPORTANTLY, I AM A NEIGHBOR. I DO LIVE HERE AND I WANT I WANT NAPLES TO BE NAPLES. 
          AND WHOEVER POINTED AT THE MURAL IN THE BACK,
WHICH IS GORGEOUS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE RIGHT. 
          THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WANT. AND I DO THINK I HAVE SOMETHING TO OFFER THERE,
BUT I WOULD BE LIKE A WORKER BEE ON THE NA. 
          IT'S LIKE, GIVE ME A TASK. TELL ME WHAT IT IS. 
          PROBABLY WHERE I WOULD BE BEST USED WOULD BE COMMUNICATING WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS,
WHICH WOULD BE PEOPLE THAT HAVE HANGARS AIRCRAFT MANAGEMENT BUSINESSES, THE, THE FLIGHT SCHOOLS THE CHARTER FLIGHTS. 
          I'M NOT SO SURE ABOUT NETJETS THAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED AD NAUSEAM TODAY,
SO I'M NOT GOING TO GO THERE. 
          BUT TO USE AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT I THINK I COULD DO,
I COULD GO TO FLIGHT SCHOOLS. 
          I'VE DONE SOME FLIGHT TRAINING MYSELF AND BEEN AROUND IT FOR 40 YEARS,
SO. 
          AND TALK TO THEM AND I WOULD SUGGEST BECAUSE IT IS TRUE,
THERE'S A LOT OF FLIGHTS. 
          THAT'S A LOT OF LITTLE FLIGHTS. PEOPLE AREN'T THE JETS ARE PART OF IT. 
          BUT WHEN YOU HAVE IF YOU IF YOU HAVE 20 AIRPLANES OUT THERE FROM FLIGHT SCHOOL UP IN THE
AIR, THAT'S, THAT'S GOING TO REALLY CONGEST THINGS. AND THEY'RE NOT AS NOISY,
BUT THERE. 
          I THINK YOU SAID ANNOYING. THEY STILL MAKE AN. 
          IMPACT. AND ANYWAYS. BUT MAYBE WE CAN INCENTIVIZE THEM. 
          SAY OKAY, LOOK IT'S NOT. IT REALLY ISN'T WORKING OUT VERY WELL FOR THEM I KNOW THIS. 
          I MEAN THEY GET THEY'RE TOLD, NO, YOU CAN'T LAND. 
          COME BACK. WE'LL TELL YOU WHEN YOU CAN COME BACK IN THE CLASS. DELTA,
JUST STAY AWAY FROM IT. 
          THE CLASS DELTA IS THE IMMEDIATE AIRSPACE AROUND THE AIRPORT. 
          AND I YOU KNOW, I DON'T USUALLY GET IT IN THE HELICOPTER BECAUSE I'M LOW ENOUGH. 
          BUT YOU HEAR IT ALL THE TIME, SO ALREADY IT'S PUSHING OUT. 
          SO I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO I WOULD HOPE TO WORK ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT,
BUT THAT'S WHERE I WOULD BE. 
          GOOD. NOW DO I KNOW ALL THE ISSUES THAT ARE THE NOISE STUDY? YEAH, I LOOKED AT IT, BUT I DON'T HAVE THAT KNOWLEDGE. 
          SO AND I'M NOT LIKE MR. MCCABE OR I DON'T HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE JOHN ALLEN HAS FROM HIS
EXPERIENCE, BUT I WOULD COMMIT TO PUT THE TIME ALL YEAR ROUND,
AND I WOULD BE HERE ALL YEAR ROUND AND BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE. 
          I THINK CLEARLY ON THE FLIGHT ISSUES BECAUSE THE AND I HOPE YOU DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG
WAY, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THIS IN A FOUR YEAR WINDOW,
THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT YOU WOULD COMMIT IF CHOSEN. 
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AND WHAT CAN I DO IN FOUR YEARS I DON'T HAVE I HAVE OPINIONS ON EVERYTHING,
BUT I DON'T HAVE A VISION FOR THE AIRPORT 20 YEARS FROM NOW OR YOU KNOW THAT. BUT I DO UNDERSTAND. 
          I'VE WORKED WITH THE FAA AT LENGTH ON OTHER THINGS. 
          I COULD GO INTO DETAIL, BUT I DON'T THINK TODAY'S THE DAY AND PRETTY SUCCESSFULLY. 
          AND WHOEVER SAID IT'S A SLOW IT'S IT'S IT'S A IT'S A GLACIER. 
          IT MOVES ABOUT THAT FAST. SO YOU KNOW, I DO UNDERSTAND THOSE THINGS. 
          SO THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S ME. SO ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. NO, I APPRECIATE YOU CARING AND CONTINUING TO TRY. 
          TRYING TO GET ON. TRY AND GET INVOLVED. EXCEPT THAT. 
          WHAT IS THAT DEFINITION OF STUPIDITY? IF YOU DO THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN,
YOU'RE JUST PERSISTENT. 
          WE APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL QUESTIONS. 
          WELL, THAT WAS EASY. OH. I'M SORRY, I JUST LOOKED TO MY LEFT. 
          NO, YOU DIDN'T GET UP. VICE MAYOR AND THEN PETRANOFF. 
          MR. MAYOR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOUR INTEREST. 
          AND ALSO THE OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN MORE ABOUT YOU AND YOUR INTEREST IN AVIATION. 
          SO JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS RELATED TO THE STATEMENTS YOU MADE. 
          YOU INDICATED YOU HAVE A HANGAR. YOU HAVE AN AIRPLANE AND A HELICOPTER. 
          CORRECT. SO IN TERMS OF RESILIENCY, I THINK YOU'VE PROBABLY BEEN HERE THROUGH OUR ENTIRE
DAY. 
          SO YOU SAW FROM THE MOSQUITO CONTROL HOW THE WATER WAS. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS ABOUT RESILIENCY, FLOODING,
AND NEGATIVELY IMPACTING YOUR OPERATIONS THERE? WELL, I DON'T REALLY HAVE MY OPERATIONS ARE PULLING AIRCRAFT IN AND FLYING THEM AND
PUTTING THEM BACK IN. 
          SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT REAL COMPLICATED. AND WE'RE THE CHARLIE HANGARS ARE I THINK ARE A
LITTLE BIT HIGHER. 
          SO WE HAVE BEEN ABOVE ANY FLOODING AND MATTER OF FACT PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY DESPERATE. 
          I MOVED MY PLANE AND AIRCRAFT, BUT I SAID, OKAY,
WELL, YOU CAN PUT YOUR PLANE IN THERE, BUT I'M NOT TAKING ANY RESPONSIBILITY. 
          BUT WE HAVE NOT HAD IN THE YEARS I'VE HAD IT,
I HAVE NOT HAD A FLOODING ISSUE. 
          OKAY. LAST QUESTION. YOU HEARD THE DISCUSSION RELATED TO PEOPLE A USING THE AIRPORT WEE HOURS OF THE MORNING OR ACCESSING AIRCRAFT HAVING WRECKS WITH THEIR AIRCRAFT AND THEN
LEAVING THE PROPERTY. I WAS I'M FAMILIAR WITH ALL THOSE ARE EVENTS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT. 
          AND WELL, YOU KNOW, MY DIRECT EXPERIENCE HAS BEEN,
FIRST OF ALL, I'VE NEVER BROKEN THE CURFEW. 
          AND MOST AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, ALMOST EVERYBODY THAT I KNOW THAT OPERATES THERE ADHERES
TO IT, BUT THEY'RE ALSO RESIDENTS HERE, RIGHT? SO. OR THEY HAVE BUSINESSES. 
          OOPS. SORRY. SO BUT SECURITY COULD BE BETTER. 
          OKAY. THAT'S WHAT THAT'S. THANK YOU FOR JUST BEING FRANK ABOUT THAT. 
          BUT I HAD AN INSTANCE WHERE I HAD AN ANNUAL. SIR,
CAN YOU STEP AWAY FROM THE BIKE A LITTLE BIT? THANK YOU. OH, OKAY. IS THAT GOOD? OH, OKAY,
I CAN'T HEAR. 
          THE ANYWAYS, I WAS HAVING SOME MAINTENANCE DONE,
AND I ACTUALLY CALLED THE SECURITY AND SAID, HEY, THIS GUY'S GOING TO COME ON THE AIRPORT,
AND YOU KNOW, IS THAT OKAY? THEY GO, YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S OKAY. HE WAS WRONG. 
          IF YOU IF YOU YOU YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR AIRPORT ID,
YOU HAVE TO ESCORT PEOPLE. 
          IT'S VERY DEFINED. AND WHAT THE AIRPORT IS DOING NOW IS THERE WHEN YOU GET YOUR BADGE OR A
PARKING PERMIT, THEY HAVE A VIDEO YOU WATCH, THEY GIVE YOU A TEST. 
          AND IT'S NOT I MEAN, IF YOU CAN'T PASS THIS TEST,
YOU'RE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T EVEN BE DRIVING. 
          BUT BUT THEY THEY SEEM VERY MUCH MORE FOCUSED. 
          AND I THINK IT'S BETTER, BUT IT COULD BE BETTER. 
          AND I THINK IT'S THE HOURS. THERE'S NOT MUCH OF ANYTHING PAST,
I'D SAY 11:00. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. I PETRANOFF YES, THANK YOU FOR APPLYING. 
          BEING THAT YOU HAVE FLOWN SO MANY AIRCRAFT, WHAT DO YOU THINK IS IN THE 150 IS GOING TO BE
THE MOST NOISE, IMPACTFUL MANEUVER THAT WE CAN MAKE. I STILL THE FASTER. 
          HIGHER. I FORGET WHAT THE HOW PEOPLE ARE DETERMINING THAT. 
          BUT I STILL THINK THAT THERE. I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE,
BUT THAT THAT'S JUST AND THAT'S AN INCREMENT. 
          THAT'S NOT A, THAT'S NOT A BIG SOLUTION. BUT THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY,
I THINK, TO GO UP AND, AND, AND GET OUT OF THE NOISE AREA FASTER AND BETTER. 
          BECAUSE MOST OF THE AIRCRAFT THAT ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT ARE THE JETS ANYWAYS HAVE THAT
CAPABILITY, BUT YOU'RE RESTRICTED BY AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL. 
          AND SO YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THAT'S PRETTY GOOD. 
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BUT IT'S, IT REALLY IS PROBABLY THE METERING I THINK IS PROBABLY THE WHEN YOU SAY
METERING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT HAS TO BE COORDINATED THROUGH AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL,
TALKING TO MIAMI CENTER, FORT MYERS, AND THEN OF COURSE, TO THE TOWER. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, BUT PEOPLE DO IT, AND I FORGET WHO TALKED ABOUT IT. 
          BUT YOU GET THAT SOMETIMES YOU GO, OH, WELL,
YOU HAVE A GATE HOLD DON'T START ENGINES FOR THREE HOURS BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE A SLOT FOR YOU. AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE EITHER GO SOMEWHERE ELSE OR THEY WAIT. 
          AND SO THAT, THAT THAT PROBABLY WOULD BE SOMETHING QUICKLY SOMEBODY SAID,
WHAT WOULD YOU DO IN 30 DAYS? YOU KNOW, BUT THERE ARE THERE ARE SOME I THINK THERE ARE,
AGAIN, INCREMENTAL STEPS THAT CAN BE TAKEN AND THAT STILL ARE SAFE. 
          YOU KNOW, AND PILOTS DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH DECISION MAKING,
BUT THEIR PRIMARY MISSION IS SAFETY. 
          THAT'S I MEAN SO IF EVEN IF AN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLER TELLS YOU TO DO SOMETHING AND YOU
AND YOU DON'T AGREE, YOU SAY, NO, I'M NOT GOING TO DO THAT. AND YOU'RE,
YOU'RE YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          BUT SO I THINK THEY COULD DEFINITELY ADJUST THE VOLUME OF FLIGHTS AT NOISE SENSITIVE TIMES, PERHAPS SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT AGAIN, HOLIDAY WEEKENDS, IT'S WINGTIP TO WINGTIP. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A I DON'T HAVE AN IMMEDIATE SOLUTION TO THAT. 
          BUT IF I WAS A ON THE COMMISSION, I WOULD UNDERSTAND IT. 
          I WOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS BEING PROPOSED, WHAT WAS PRACTICAL,
WHAT WAS REALISTIC AND DOABLE. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IS MORE DOABLE SOLUTIONS. 
          AND PROBABLY SEVERAL RELATIVELY SMALL ONES NOT. 
          I DON'T THINK THERE'S A BIG GLOBAL SOLUTION,
BUT BUT I DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING. 
          SO. SO YOU THINK IT'LL BE SOLVED BY BY A SERIES OF INCREMENTAL IF I'M HEARING YOU OF
INCREMENTAL ACTIONS SOLVED. 
          IT'S ALL RELATIVE. WHAT? I MEAN, WHERE THERE'S ZERO DECIBELS. 
          NO. YOU KNOW, BUT TO GET IT TO WHERE THEY'RE NOT GETTING THE 100 OR 90DB OR SOMETHING ON
WHAT WAS AQUILINE SHORES OR SOMEWHERE LIKE THAT. 
          BUT YES. INCREMENTAL. AND I THINK THE IT SHOWS THE WORK THAT WAS DONE FOR THE NEW FLIGHT
PATTERNS AND THE THINGS THAT THAT I'M SURPRISED THAT'S NOT MORE PROJECTED OUT THERE,
BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG DEAL AND IT MAKES IT A LITTLE HARDER TO FLY IN, BUT IT'S NOT UNSAFE. YEAH, IT DOES HELP WITH THE NOISE. 
          AND I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE THAT LIVE ON THE FLIGHT PATH. I GO,
DO YOU NOTICE THEY GO, YEAH, A LITTLE NOT HUGE, BUT THEY DO. IT'S NOTICEABLE. 
          YEAH. SO OKAY. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE THE NEXT MOVE TO MAKE? FOR REDUCTION OF NOISE. WHAT DO YOU THINK? YOU KNOW WOULD BE THE NEXT LOGICAL MOVE TO
FOCUS ON? WELL, THERE'S LOGIC AND THEN THERE'S MOVES, RIGHT? I DON'T I'M NOT SURE I DON'T I HONESTLY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NEXT LOGICAL MOVE OTHER
THAN DIGESTING EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN GENERATED TO DATE AND SAY SOME OF THE STUFF ABSOLUTELY WON'T WORK. 
          BUT THERE ARE THINGS THAT WOULD. BUT I WOULD SAY TRY TO TRY TO SEE IF WE CAN GET A HIGHER, FASTER, QUICKER. I MEAN, GET THAT IMPLEMENTED INTO PROBABLY WITH THE I THINK IT'S HUGHES
AEROSPACE STUFF. 
          I WOULD GO TO THEM BECAUSE THEY, THEY HAD SOME PRETTY GOOD NOT PRETTY GOOD,
VERY GOOD IDEAS THAT I WASN'T FOND OF WHEN I HEARD ABOUT THEM. 
          BUT WHEN I ACTUALLY FLEW, I GO. YEAH, IT WAS KIND OF LIKE THE FELLOW I THINK BEFORE ME
THAT SAID, YEAH, MY PILOTS DID IT, AND THEY SAID, YEAH,
IT'S NO BIG DEAL. 
          AND SO I THINK THERE'S MORE NO BIG DEAL STUFF THAT COULD REDUCE SOME NOISE JUST BUT THEN
YOU'RE GOING TO GET SOMEBODY WHO COMES IN AT 9:00 AT NIGHT, I GUESS, AND DRAGS IT IN AT A,
YOU KNOW, 500FT OR 700FT INSTEAD OF BEING AT 2000FT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THERE'S THERE'S STUPID PEOPLE,
BUT THEY THEY SHOULD BE. 
          I THINK THAT WOULD BE WHERE AIRPORT SECURITY COULD ROLL UP TO THEM AND SAY,
HEY, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST BROKE THIS, THIS AND THIS, AND I DON'T KNOW THE LEGALITY OF THAT,
BUT ENFORCE IT. 
          AND MY FINAL QUESTION IS, GIVEN THERE'S NOW ABOUT 124,000 FLIGHT OPERATIONS A YEAR AT THE
AIRPORT. 
          DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THAT BECOMES A LITTLE BIT OF CONFLICTING WITH THE VISION OF NAPLES AND
BEING A GOOD PARTNER TO THE CITY OF NAPLES? YOU KIND OF HAVE TO WEAR TWO HATS FOR THAT ONE. 
          BUT, I MEAN, I AM A I AM A CITIZEN OF NAPLES,
AND I, I DON'T DISPUTE THAT NUMBER. 
          BUT WHEN YOU TAKE HOW BIG OF THAT COMPONENT ARE SINGLE ENGINE LITTLE TWIN ENGINE PISTON
PLANES BECAUSE THAT'S A BIG PART OF THE NUMBER. 
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SO MY FIRST THING I WOULD DO IS DEFINE IT DOWN TO THE JETS,
WHICH I BELIEVE IS THE PRIMARY CONCERN FOR NOISE. 
          OKAY. YEAH. SO YEAH. BUT WITH THE AWARENESS NOW YOU JUST GOT TO BUILD IT IN AND THEN
ENFORCE IT AND CONTINUE TO GO FORWARD AND AGAIN INCREMENTALLY TO TO WORK TO THAT DIRECTION. 
          AND WHOEVER SAID IT IS CORRECT. THINGS ARE GOING TO GET QUIETER,
BUT IT'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, NOT IN OUR LIFETIME. WELL, NOT IN MY FOUR YEARS,
I DON'T THINK, IF I WAS TO BE INVOLVED. 
          SO BUT I WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE AND HELP MAKE THE NA MORE EFFECTIVE,
PARTICULARLY IN COMMUNICATION WITH THE STAKEHOLDERS AND, AND THE NEIGHBORS. AND I THINK IF YOU TALK TO PEOPLE,
IT MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD. AND THAT'S JUST FROM MY GENERAL BUSINESS. 
          I ACTUALLY I HAVE HAD AIRPORT AIR, AIRCRAFT RELATED BUSINESSES. 
          I HAVE NONE NOW, BUT NOT FOR MANY YEARS. BUT I WILL SAY THAT,
YOU KNOW, YOU DO HAVE TO SPEAK THE LANGUAGE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING TO THE PILOTS AND THEN TRYING TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOUR NEIGHBOR WHO'S MAD ABOUT THE NOISE. 
          YOU KNOW, IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF COMMUNICATION SKILL,
BUT NOT THAT MUCH. 
          BUT IF YOU TAKE THE TIME TO DO IT AS OPPOSED TO JUST IGNORING IT. 
          THAT'S WHEN PEOPLE GET UPSET. AND I KNOW MORE THAN A FEW. 
          SO OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, JUST ONE QUESTION, MR. MELANSON. THANK YOU FOR APPLYING. 
          YOU YOU PROBABLY HAVE, AMONG ALL THE APPLICANTS,
YOU'RE AMONG THE COUPLE OF PEOPLE WITH THE GREATEST CUSTOMER USER EXPERIENCE WITH THE AIRPORT,
BUT ALSO A LOT OF AIRPORTS AROUND THE COUNTRY THAT YOU'VE FLOWN IN AND OUT OF. 
          WHAT'S YOUR ASSESSMENT OF THE QUALITY OF THE NAPLES AIRPORT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF
OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY? BUSINESS ACUMEN, JUST, YOU KNOW,
KNOW HOW WELL, I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION. 
          YEAH. HOW WELL DOES IT RUN? EXTREMELY WELL. IT REALLY IS OPERATIONALLY NOW. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT NOW. THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. THE NOISE AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND
ALL THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. NO, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT BASIC OPERATIONS. I HAVE USED AND COMMUNICATED FROM THE LINE GUYS PUTTING 100 LOW LEAD IN THE HELICOPTER TO 500 GALLONS IN
THE PLANE TO TALKING TO CHRIS ROZANSKI ABOUT SOMETHING. SO ON A NATIONAL BASIS AMONG SMALL,
SMALL, SMALL AND MEDIUM SIZED AIRPORT. 
          YEAH. NO, I MEAN, HANDS DOWN, IT'S. AND DO YOU AS AGAIN,
AS A PILOT, AS A USER WITH A LOT OF DECADES OF EXPERIENCE, DO YOU LOOK AT AIRPORTS ALSO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THEM OPERATIONALLY,
DO YOU THINK ABOUT THEM FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT ALWAYS AND TALK ABOUT THAT THEN IN TERMS OF HOW YOU WOULD EVALUATE THE BIGGEST? IT'S THE PILOTS. 
          FIRST AND FOREMOST CONSIDERATION IS SAFETY AND THE SAFETY OF,
YOU KNOW, THE PLANE YOUR PASSENGERS OBVIOUSLY. 
          BUT AND YOU ALWAYS LOOK BEFORE YOU TAKE OFF TO ANY PLACE YOU LOOK. 
          AT THE AIRPORT AND THERE'S SOMETHING CALLED NOTAMS NOTICE TO AIRMEN AND SEE. 
          ARE THERE ANY, ANYTHING GOING ON AT THAT AIRPORT THAT CREATES A POTENTIAL DANGER OR. 
          AND SURPRISING HOW OFTEN THAT COMES UP. THE NOTAMS HERE ARE EXTENSIVE BECAUSE OF THE
CRANES AND ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF. 
          BUT BUT THE FROM THE SAFETY STANDPOINT, IT'S YOU KNOW,
AGAIN, IT'S THIS, THIS IS TRULY ONE OF THE BEST AND, AND GOING TO OTHER PLACES WHEN YOU LAND AND YOU HIT A BOOM,
YOU THINK YOU MIGHT HAVE POPPED A TIRE, BUT YOU DID A GOOD LANDING. THERE'S POTHOLES IN THE RUNWAY,
RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE ARE A LOT OF AIRPORTS, BUT NOT NOT BIG GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORTS, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF AIRPORTS THAT CAN SERVICE
JETS THAT ARE NOT NEARLY. 
          AND USUALLY THEY ARE COMMUNITY OWNED AIRPORTS THAT ARE UNDERFUNDED. 
          YEAH. AND THAT'S AND IT AND IT SHOWS. NO I APPRECIATE THAT PERSPECTIVE. 
          THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN A PERFECT LEAD IN AS TO WHERE I WAS GOING TO TAKE YOU. 
          IT APPEARS AS THOUGH THE AIRPORT HAS ABOUT $134 MILLION IN PLANNED IMPROVEMENTS AT THE
AIRPORT, AND THOSE INCLUDE PAVEMENT REHAB, AIRFIELD, AIRFIELD LIGHTING,
SOME DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS AND SOME T-HANGARS. ONE OF THE WAYS THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT PAYING FOR THOSE $134 MILLION IN
IMPROVEMENT IS BY INCREASING THE PRICE OF GASOLINE BY $0.75 OVER 
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11 YEARS, I BELIEVE IT IS. THAT WOULD BRING OVER FIVE YEARS. 
          THAT WOULD BRING IN $41 MILLION. WOULD YOU HAVE A PROBLEM IF ALL OF A SUDDEN THE BURDEN
FOR THESE IMPROVEMENTS FELL ON YOUR SHOULDER AND NOT ON GRANTS? I'LL JUST BE VERY FRANK ABOUT IT. PLEASE DO. HEY,
LOOK WHERE YOU LAND AND WHERE YOU. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO GET FUEL. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT,
WELL WILL I PAY IT? WELL, YEAH. WHAT'S MY ALTERNATIVE? OR YOU FIGURE OUT OTHER PLACES TO GO. 
          PEOPLE WILL START TINKERING WHAT THEY CALL TANKERING FUEL IN BRINGING MORE FUEL,
WHICH IS ACTUALLY NOT THE GREATEST SAFETY THING, BUT IT'S IT SHOULDN'T CREATE A PROBLEM, BUT THEY'LL LAND WITH A LOT MORE FUEL THAN THEY
NEED, SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO BUY MUCH FUEL. SO USUALLY YOU OFFSET THAT WITH A LANDING OR A RAMP
FEE TIE DOWN FEE, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. SO YEAH, BUT I,
I THOUGHT WE WERE DOING VERY WELL ON FUEL SALES AT THE GIVEN RATE, AND I DON'T KNOW, IT'S A, THAT'S, IT'S A BUSINESS QUESTION TO ME,
YOU KNOW. 
          DO YOU, DO YOU YOU KNOW, DO YOU CHOKE THE, PERSON WHO'S BUYING A LOT OF FUEL? AND OR DO YOU SELL MORE FUEL BY MODERATING THE FUEL PRICES? NOT LOWER THAN THEY ARE, BUT $0.75 WOULD BE SIGNIFICANT. 
          BUT DO I THINK THAT WILL ACTUALLY CHANGE PEOPLE'S DECISIONS WHETHER TO FLY IN HERE OR NOT? PROBABLY NOT. NOT NETJETS, BUT BUT OTHER PEOPLE HERE,
IT'S NOT. 
          IF YOU THINK THAT THAT WILL MAKE FOR FEWER PLANES HERE. 
          PROBABLY NOT. WELL, YOUR QUESTION IS IF IF THE PRICE OF GASOLINE GOES UP,
WOULD THAT MAKE FOR FEWER PLANES HERE? IT WON'T. I DON'T THINK SO. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH,
I WAS TALKING MAYBE FIVE, SIX YEARS AGO WITH A PILOT. 
          LIVES ON THE EAST COAST. AND INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH,
THE PRICE OF GASOLINE WENT UP AT THAT POINT. 
          MR. ROSANSKY WAS PLACING A VERY TOUGH BET, FIT,
WHICH WAS IF I HAVE CHEAP GASOLINE, I MAY ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, GO TO THE HEAD OF THE CLASS. WELL HE DID. 
          PART OF IT WAS AT THE EXPENSE OF PEOPLE FROM OTHER AIRPORTS COMING IN TO BUY HIS GAS,
BECAUSE THE WORD GOT OUT THAT IT WAS CHEAPER, BUT IT WORKED. IT DOES. IT TENDS. IT TENDS TO FLOAT OR FIND ITS EQUILIBRIUM BY MARKET,
BY THE MARKET, BY THE MARKET. YEAH. I MEAN, IF YOU DO IT REALLY DRAMATIC. 
          YEAH. YOU'LL SEE AN EFFECT RIGHT AWAY. BUT WHAT WHAT ARE YOU PAYING RIGHT NOW PER GALLON? I HAVEN'T CHECKED LATELY BECAUSE I THEY JUST PULL UP. 
          RIGHT? MY WIFE GOES, WOW, YOU BOUGHT A LOT OF GAS LAST MONTH. 
          OKAY, I THINK IT'S FIVE. JUST AT FIVE, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          BUT IT'S A PREFERRED TENANT RATE, SO. OH, THAT'S AN INTERESTING WAY. 
          YEAH. THE TENANTS GET A DISCOUNT OF. I THINK IT'S A ROUGHLY $0.75 A GALLON. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE THAT'S WHERE YOU COULD COME IN BY. 
          OKAY. GO AHEAD AND RAISE YOUR GAS PRICES. BUT YOU'VE HAD HAD A PREFERRED TENANT RATE FOR A
NUMBER OF YEARS. 
          WELL NO THEY'RE NOT GUARANTEEING YOU THAT THEY'RE NOT. 
          OKAY. YOU'RE GOING TO RAISE MY GAS PRICES. OH WELL I'M GOING TO BE ONE OF THOSE. 
          I'LL START CALLING IN WITH ANY ANYTIME I HEAR SOMEBODY FLYING IN IN THE MIDDLE OF THE
NIGHT. 
          RELATIVE TO THE PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED HERE. 
          DO YOU AGREE THAT THOSE DO NEED TO BE DONE? YES. 
          I WOULD KNOW SO MUCH MORE IF I LITERALLY WAS PRESENTED WITH THE DETAILS,
AND I WOULD SEE THAT THAT COULD BE I WOULD UNDERSTAND WHAT I WAS LOOKING AT. 
          AND BUT TO JUST MOST OF THE THINGS YOU MENTIONED,
YES, I THINK THOSE PROBABLY ARE, BUT SOMETIMES IT COULD BE BUILDING A NEW RAMP FOR NETJETS OR SOMETHING. WELL, DO WE HAVE TO DO THAT? I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S. BUT BUT CONSTRUCTION IS REALLY EXPENSIVE AND IT'S IT'S
CRAZY. 
          BUT I WOULD GUESS THAT EVERYTHING YOU MENTIONED SOUNDS LIKE IT'S FOR THE SAFE OPERATIONS
OF AIRCRAFT AND AND FOR THE PASSENGERS. 
          SO PROBABLY. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          I THINK YOU ANSWERED ALL MY QUESTIONS. EXCEPT FOR YOU'RE NOT OPERATING. 
          NO, I'VE HAD A CHARTER COMPANY. I'VE HAD LOTS OF THOSE THINGS. 
          BUT IN THE SKYDIVING COMPANY I HAD, I SOLD THAT YEAR BEFORE LAST. 
          SO NOW I'VE LOST ANY CREDIBILITY, I REALIZE,
BUT THAT'S OKAY. 
          THE. AND. NO, I HAVE NO BUSINESS INTERESTS THAT ARE A CONFLICT WITH THE AIRPORT. 
          THANK YOU. AND YOU MENTIONED THE LEASES AND THE AGREEMENTS AND THE GAS. 
          I MEAN, I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE FULL TEXT OF A LEASE,
BUT I'VE READ A LOT OF LEASES. 
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THAT'S WHAT I KIND OF DO AS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY AND INVESTMENT WISE. 
          AND SO I WOULD, OF COURSE, DILIGENTLY LOOK AT THOSE. 
          BUT I AM FAMILIAR WITH WITH MOST OF THAT. YEAH. 
          OKAY. AND ARE YOU A PART OF THE FRIENDS OF THE AIRPORT? I GUESS I AM. AND THEN I SENT THEM SOME MONEY,
AND THAT WAS QUITE A WHILE AGO, AND I'VE NEVER BEEN TO A MEETING OR. 
          NO, I'M JUST SAYING, I LIKE THAT SOMEBODY WAS,
YOU KNOW, PUTTING TOGETHER A CONSENSUS FOR USERS THAT. 
          LIKE THE AIRPORT. NO, I KNOW YOU SAID THAT, BUT BUT,
BUT BUT I DON'T HAVE MUCH CONTACT WITH THEM. 
          BUT THEY WILL TAKE YOUR MONEY. WITH THAT. I SINCERELY THANK YOU FOR YOUR PERSISTENCE. 
          WELL, I'VE LEARNED A LOT TODAY ON MANY, MANY LEVELS. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR. MR. WHITEHORN TOOK HIS NAME OUT OF CONSIDERATION TODAY. 
          THE LAST ONE ON THE LIST IS MICHAEL SHUMAN. SCHUMANN. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN. 
          NICE TO SEE YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PERSISTENCE IN APPLYING FOR THE NA COMMISSION. 
          BRIEFLY, ANYTHING YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH US,
AND WE'LL GO INTO QUESTIONS. 
          JUST A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND. I'M A GLIDER PILOT. 
          I HAVE A MOTOR GLIDER THAT I HANGAR AT THE NAPLES AIRPORT DURING SEASON,
AND IN THE SUMMERTIME, I TAKE IT UP TO MINNESOTA. AND I'VE BEEN PRETTY ACTIVE IN AT THE NAPLES AIRPORT. 
          I PART OF THE EAA CHAPTER. I DO YOUNG EAGLES RIDES WHERE WE GIVE FREE RIDES TO KIDS,
GET THEM INTERESTED IN AVIATION. 
          THE EAA CHAPTER THAT WE HAVE HERE AT THE NAPLES AIRPORT IS ONE OF THE BEST IN THE COUNTRY. 
          WE'VE HAD A PROGRAM WHERE WE HAVE KIDS THAT ARE JUNIOR HIGH AND HIGH SCHOOL KIDS THAT
ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER AN AIRPLANE THAT ACTUALLY FLIES, AND THEN THEY GET TO FLY IT. AND YOU KNOW, THE AIRPORT IS AN ABSOLUTE JEWEL. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS VERY INTERESTING IS,
YOU KNOW, YOU READ ABOUT ALL THE CONTROVERSY BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE AIRPORT AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND I KNOW A LOT OF PILOTS AND I ALSO KNOW A LOT OF MY NEIGHBORS HERE IN
NAPLES, AND I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE WE HAVE A FURNITURE STORE IN TOWN,
SO WE KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE IN NAPLES. 
          AND I THINK THAT THE CONTROVERSY THAT EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT IS COMPLETELY OVERBLOWN. 
          THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE PILOTS AT THE AIRPORT MANY OF THEM ARE UNDER THE CONCEPTION THAT THE CITY IS AT WAR WITH THE AIRPORT. 
          THAT'S COMPLETELY UNTRUE. YOU KNOW, YOU AS A COUNCIL REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITY AND THE
COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE VIRTUALLY EVERYBODY I TALKED TO SUPPORTS THE AIRPORT. 
          BUT THE QUESTION IS, WHAT DO THEY WANT THE AIRPORT TO DO? WHAT WHAT'S THE GOAL? AND EVERYBODY THAT I TALKED TO,
WHETHER THEY'RE THE PILOTS THAT ARE AT THE AIRPORT OR THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY, THEY WANT AN AIRPORT THAT'S FOCUSED ON THE LOCAL PEOPLE,
THE PILOTS THAT ARE HERE, THAT OWN AIRCRAFT AND THAT BASICALLY GIVE RIDES TO ALL THE NEIGHBOR KIDS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          AND YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE SOME CHALLENGES WITH NOISE. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN THE BIG ISSUE. AND I THINK JOHN ALLEN REALLY HIT THE NAIL ON THE
HEAD WHERE THE NOISE ISN'T CAUSED BY THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE AIRPLANES THAT THEY HANGAR AT THE AIRPORT. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT'S A REALLY SMALL PORTION OF THE TRAFFIC BECAUSE,
YOU KNOW, MANY PILOTS LIKE IN MY CASE, MY MOTOR GLIDER AT MOST, I'M FLYING AT ONE TIME A WEEK,
MAYBE ONCE EVERY TWO WEEKS WHEN I'M IN NAPLES. 
          THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT THE PILOTS THAT ACTUALLY HAVE AIRPLANES THAT ARE HANGARED AT
THE AIRPORT. 
          THAT'S NOT WHERE THE TRAFFIC IS. THE FUNDAMENTAL TRAFFIC PROBLEM ARE THE FRACTIONAL JETS. 
          ALL RIGHT. AND AND THAT'S THE BIG KAHUNA. AND THAT'S THE CHALLENGE ON HOW CAN YOU CONTROL
THAT AND LIMIT THAT AND STOP THE GROWTH OF THAT? BECAUSE THE REALITY IS THAT THE FAA HAS CREATED THIS MYTH THAT FRACTIONAL JETS ARE KIND OF
LIKE A FLYING CLUB WHERE YOU BUY A SHARE OF AN AIRPLANE. THEY'RE NOT THEIR AIRLINES THAT ARE INCREDIBLY INEFFICIENT,
WHERE EACH AIRPLANE HAS MAYBE TWO PASSENGERS. 
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OKAY. BUT THEY'RE REALLY A COMMERCIAL AIRLINE. 
          AND WE AS A COMMUNITY MADE A DECISION MANY YEARS AGO THAT WE DON'T WANT THE NAPLES AIRPORT
TO BE A COMMERCIAL AIRPORT. 
          WE WANT IT TO BE A AIRPORT FOR THE COMMUNITY,
A GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORT. 
          AND I THINK THE BIG CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE AND THAT THE NA HAS IS HOW DO YOU ENCOURAGE
PEOPLE LIKE NETJETS OR WHATEVER TO FLY INTO SSW RATHER THAN HERE? AND THAT'S A BIG DEAL, NOT JUST FOR NAPLES, BUT ALSO FOR OURS,
BECAUSE OUR S.W., WHICH IS INTERESTING, IS IN TERMS OF LAND MASS, IS THE THIRD LARGEST AIRPORT IN THE US. 
          THEY HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF SPACE AND THEY'RE A MAJOR OPERATION,
BUT THEY ONLY HAVE ONE RUNWAY, AND THAT'S A HUGE PROBLEM FOR THEM, BECAUSE IF THEY HAVE AN ACCIDENT,
THE WHOLE AIRPORT GETS SHUT DOWN. 
          A CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF THAT IS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO,
THERE WAS A UNITED AIRLINES 737 THAT BLEW A TIRE, AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE A JACK BECAUSE IT WAS ONE OF THE NEW MAX PLANES,
AND THEY HAD TO GET A JACK FROM MIAMI. 
          IT TOOK EIGHT HOURS TO GET THAT AIRPLANE OFF THE RUNWAY,
AND DURING THAT EIGHT HOURS, THE ENTIRE AIRPORT WAS SHUT DOWN. 
          OKAY, NOW, THE FAA WON'T FUND A SECOND RUNWAY BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH TRAFFIC,
BECAUSE, OF COURSE, THIS THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE AVERAGE TRAFFIC OVER THE WHOLE YEAR RATHER THAN THE
PEAK PERIOD. 
          AND IF WE COULD GET SOME OF THIS FRACTIONAL JET TRAFFIC UP TO SIX,
THAT WOULD SOLVE THEIR PROBLEM AND THEY'D GET THEIR SECOND RUNWAY. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE A WIN WIN FOR EVERYBODY. BUT HOW TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN? THAT'S THAT'S THE THOUSAND DOLLAR QUESTION. SO AT ANY RATE THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL QUESTIONS? COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. SO HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT COULD THE FLIGHT
SCHOOLS GO OUT TO IMMOKALEE? WOULD THAT WOULD THAT SOLVE A PROBLEM? YOU'RE STILL KIND OF IN THE SAME AIRSPACE. 
          OKAY. SO AGAIN LOOKING AT THIS FROM A PRACTICAL PERSPECTIVE. 
          OKAY. IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY I DIDN'T MEAN FLIGHT SCHOOLS,
I MEANT NETJETS. 
          OH, YOU KNOW WHAT? IF YOU IF YOU LOOK AT GOOGLE MAPS. 
          OKAY. IT ACTUALLY TAKES LONGER TO DRIVE FROM IMMOKALEE TO NAPLES THAN FROM RSU. 
          SO THE LOGICAL THING IS, IF PARTICULARLY IF YOU WERE LIVED UP IN BONITA SPRINGS OR NORTH,
THE LOGICAL THING WOULD BE TO LAND AT RSU. 
          SURE. BUT IMMOKALEE, FOR SOMEBODY THAT LIVES OUT THAT WAY,
YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST THAT LAND IN IMMOKALEE, IF YOU'RE IN AVE MARIA, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE THE LOGICAL THING. 
          BUT THE QUESTION IS LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, NETJETS WANTS TO BUILD THIS NEW BIG FANCY FACILITY
IN NAPLES. 
          WELL, WE SHOULD TWIST OUR ARM AND SAY, WHY DON'T YOU BUILD THAT AT RSU INSTEAD? YOU KNOW, OR WHAT CAN WE DO TO INCENTIVIZE AND INCENTIVIZE THEIR CUSTOMERS TO WANT TO FLY
TO RSU RATHER THAN TO NAPLES? AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, GIVEN WHAT'S GIVEN THE FAA RULES AND THE INABILITY OF US TO REALLY
REGULATE TRAFFIC, THAT'S THE BIG CHALLENGE. AND THAT'S WHY THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION ABOUT GRANTS HAS COME UP,
IS AS AN ATTEMPT TO TRY TO EMULATE WHAT EAST HAMPTON IS TRYING TO DO, SO THAT THE LOCAL COMMUNITY CAN ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW,
HAVE SOME INFLUENCE ON THE TRAFFIC AND, AND TRY TO THROTTLE IT. THIS IS ANOTHER INTERESTING THING. 
          THE REASON THAT I GOT INVOLVED WITH THE NAPLES AIRPORT WAS MY FRUSTRATION ABOUT THE
AVAILABILITY OF T-HANGARS. 
          OKAY. AND YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE PLAN WAS BUILD MORE JET HANGARS AND TOTALLY IGNORING THE 75
PEOPLE THAT ARE CURRENTLY ON HANGAR LISTS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES YEARS FOR THEM TO GET A T-HANGAR. 
          WELL, WE HAD SOME PEOPLE TODAY TALKING ABOUT LIMITING TRAFFIC BECAUSE OF,
YOU KNOW, NOT ENOUGH PARKING AND RAMP SPACE. 
          WELL, IF YOU BUILD MORE T-HANGARS, YOU'RE USING UP RAMP SPACE AND THEREBY CREATING THE
SITUATION WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY LIMIT THE TRAFFIC ON A BUSY WEEKEND BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH
RAMP SPACE. 
          SO IF WE COULD BUILD MORE HANGARS, IT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY ADD TO THE TRAFFIC. 
          IT WOULD ACTUALLY DO THE REVERSE. IT WOULD BASICALLY REDUCE THE TRANSIENT TRAFFIC THAT'S
COMING IN DURING THE BUSY TIMES. 
          SO SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, YOU GOT TO LOOK AT THINGS AND,
YOU KNOW, THE ACTUAL REAL CONSEQUENCES REALLY ARE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY WOULD SUPERFICIALLY APPEAR, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT SAY,
WE DON'T WANT TO BUILD MORE HANGARS BECAUSE IT WILL INCREASE TRAFFIC. WELL, ACTUALLY, 
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IF YOU BUILD MORE HANGARS, IT MIGHT ACTUALLY REDUCE TRAFFIC. 
          OKAY. SO WE GOT TO LOOK AT THINGS FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. 
          OKAY I HAVE CRAMER. THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS. 
          WE'RE WANTING TO DO IT AGAIN AND FOR BEING HERE. BUT I HAVE TO JUST ASK. 
          WE GOT TO DRILL DOWN A LITTLE BIT. I'M A FOOTBALL COACH. 
          AND SO I LIVED WITH PEOPLE TELLING ME ALL THE TIME,
YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU OUGHT TO DO IS. 
          SO MY QUESTION WITH WHAT WE OUGHT TO DO IS, DO YOU HAVE ANY SPECIFIC MEANS THAT THE FAA PERMITS THAT WOULD SOMEHOW FORCE THOSE NET JETS. 
          TO GO TO SEZU. IS IS THERE ANYTHING YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT COULD ACTUALLY MAKE THAT HAPPEN? WELL, IS THAT ASPIRATIONAL? WELL, IN THE SHORT TERM,
NO, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING YOU CAN DO TO FORCE THAT. 
          IN THE LONG TERM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S BEEN THE THEORY OF WHAT EAST HAMPTON'S TRYING TO DO BY
BASICALLY NOT TAKING GRANTS. 
          AND THEN AFTER 20 YEARS, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO TRY TO PRIVATIZE THE AIRPORT AND THEN GET
MORE CONTROL. 
          WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH THAT IS A BIG QUESTION,
WHICH LEADS TO MY $10 MILLION INTO THAT PROPOSITION THAT HAS LED TO NOTHING SO FAR. 
          SO HERE'S MY NEXT QUESTION. LET'S ASSUME WE GOT CONTROL TOMORROW. 
          WE SAY WE'RE ENDING THE LEASE RIGHT NOW. SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT YOU IN CHARGE OF THE
AIRPORT. 
          WHO'S GOING TO RUN THE AIRPORT. AND ARE YOU GOING TO SOMEHOW BE ABLE TO TO CIRCUMVENT FAA
REGULATIONS. 
          AND ALL OF A SUDDEN METER TRAFFIC AND CONTROL WHO COMES TO THE AIRPORT? WELL,
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT TOMORROW. 
          OKAY. COULD YOU EVER JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE LOCAL CONTROL EVERY TALKS ABOUT LOCAL CONTROL.
NOW WHAT DOES THAT REALLY MEAN. THAT MEANS WE'RE RENTING IT. 
          AND THEN THAT MEANS FAA REGULATIONS NO LONGER APPLY. 
          WELL, THE FAA REGULATIONS NO LONGER APPLY. BUT IF YOU WAITED 20 YEARS,
YOU DIDN'T HAVE GRANT ASSURANCES. 
          THERE IS A POSSIBILITY. OKAY. THAT YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO BASICALLY SAY,
OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO TURN THIS INTO A PRIVATE AIRPORT AND THEN BASICALLY RESTRICT THE NETJETS TRAFFIC COMING IN BECAUSE OF THE WAY YOU SET THAT UP. 
          THAT'S WHAT EAST HAMPTON IS TRYING TO DO. WHETHER THEY CAN GET AWAY WITH THAT OR NOT IS A
BIG QUESTION MARK, BECAUSE IT'S IN THE COURTS, AND IT WOULD PROBABLY BE IN THE COURTS FOR THE NEXT TEN YEARS
OR LONGER, BECAUSE THE COURTS TAKE SO LONG. SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          YOU KNOW, THIS IS ALL VERY SPECULATIVE. AND IT'S A IT'S A CRAPSHOOT. 
          I MEAN BUT IN THE AT THE SAME TIME, THERE'S THINGS WE CAN DO TODAY TO HELP SOLVE SOME OF
THESE NOISE PROBLEMS. A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THIS IS WHEN THERE'S WHEN THE WINDS ARE CALM. 
          BY DEFAULT WE USE RUNWAY 5 OR 23, AND THAT TYPICALLY BRINGS THE TRAFFIC OVER DOWNTOWN. 
          WELL, WHEN YOU HAVE CHURCH IN CAMBIER PARK ON SUNDAY MORNINGS,
YOU KNOW, IT'S QUITE FREQUENT RIGHT NOW WHERE YOU HAVE JETS THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERY TEN MINUTES THERE'S A JET FLYING RIGHT OVER THE CHURCH SERVICE. 
          WELL, IF YOU'VE GOT A CALM MORNING, AND MOST OF THE TIME THE WINDS DON'T REALLY PICK UP
UNTIL LATER ON IN THE MORNING. 
          THERE'S REALLY FOR MOST AIRPLANES, THERE'S NO REASON THAT YOU COULDN'T BASICALLY USE THE
OTHER RUNWAY, THE CROSSWIND RUNWAY, AND HAVE ALL THE TRAFFIC GOING TO THE NORTH. 
          AND ALL THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IS YOU DON'T NEED TO GET A MANDATE OR ANYTHING. 
          YOU JUST HAVE TO TALK TO THE CONTROLLERS IN THE TOWER AND JUST MAKE THEM AWARE OF WHAT
EVENTS ARE GOING ON DOWNTOWN, AND THEN GET THEM TO HELP OUT TO USE A DIFFERENT RUNWAY. 
          WHEN YOU'RE HAVING A CHURCH SERVICE. YOU KNOW,
THIS IS THE KIND OF STUFF THAT'S PRACTICAL THAT CAN BE DONE TODAY WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, HAVING TO BEAT ON PEOPLE. THAT JUST MAKES COMMON SENSE. 
          AND AND WE'RE NOT IMPLEMENTING THAT. WELL, I'M GOING TO SAY I HOPE THAT'S THE CASE. 
          I HOPE THAT WE COULD JUST SUGGEST TO THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS ON,
BY THE WAY, IS THAT CHURCH THERE SUNDAY THAT WE COULD SAY TO THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS, HEY, WE WANT THEM TO COME IN HERE ON A COLD ON A CALM DAY. 
          I'M NOT SURE THAT FEDERAL AVIATION LAW ALLOWS THAT. 
          AND WHICH TAKES ME BACK TO THE OTHER THINGS ONLY BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT THEM UP. BUT I'M NOT
TRYING TO BEAT YOU UP. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IF WE'RE GOING TO START WITH, HEY, WE NEED TO GET NETJETS OUT OF HERE AND UP THERE,
BUT THEN END WITH, WELL, THAT'S NOT REALLY MAYBE NOT DOABLE, AND WE'RE NOT REALLY SURE. AND WE CAN INVEST,
YOU KNOW, HOWEVER MANY MILLION DOLLARS IN 20 YEARS AND WE STILL DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PRACTICAL APPLICATION. AND I THINK IT'S A WASTE OF OUR TIME AND A
WASTE OF OUR TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT, QUITE HONESTLY. AND I DO BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE THINGS WE CAN DO. 
          BUT I ALSO THINK THAT, AGAIN, IT'S SPECULATIVE TO SAY ON A CALM DAY WE COULD SUGGEST TO
THEM THAT THEY COULD DO IT. 
          AND WELL, I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN IN THE TOWER HERE IN NAPLES AND I,
WE'VE HAD THE AT ONE OF OUR EAA MEETINGS. 
          WE HAD THE MANAGER OF THE TOWER COME DOWN. THEY'RE VERY,
VERY REASONABLE AND VERY ACCOMMODATING. 
          SO IF THERE'S SOME COMMUNICATION THAT WE CAN SET UP,
I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SEE ANY REASON THAT THEY WOULDN'T. 
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AND THAT MAY BE THE ACCOMMODATION. I'VE BEEN THERE TOO. AND I'VE BEEN TO NAPLES HIGH AND
THEY FLY RIGHT OVER OUR FIELD WHEN THEY DO GO THAT WAY. 
          SO WHEN I WAS THERE, I ASKED HIM, HOW COME THEY DON'T DO THAT? HOW CAN WE GET THAT TO HAPPEN MORE OFTEN? THAT WAS MY QUESTION. 
          WELL, BECAUSE I KNEW I WAS COMING TO COUNCIL AND THEY TOLD ME THERE WERE VERY STRICT
GUIDELINES ON HOW ON THE FLIGHT PATHS. 
          WELL, BUT HERE'S HERE'S THE THING. THE FAA ACTUALLY HAS RULES ON OVERFLIGHTS OVER MASS
EVENTS LIKE STADIUM EVENTS OR WHATEVER. 
          ALL RIGHT. SO WHEN YOU HAVE A BIG GATHERING,
LIKE, FOR INSTANCE, CHURCH SERVICE IN CAMBRIA PARK. 
          SOMETIMES THERE'S A COUPLE THOUSAND PEOPLE THERE. 
          ALL RIGHT. SO UNDER THE FAA RULES, IF THE WINDS ALLOW,
YOU KNOW, YOU COULD ACTUALLY MAKE A CASE THAT THE TOWER NEEDS TO, YOU KNOW, DIVERT THAT TRAFFIC AND USE THE OTHER RUNWAY. 
          IF THEY WERE AWARE OF THAT EVENT, JUST BECAUSE,
YOU KNOW, THERE IS A SAFETY ISSUE WITH RUNNING TRAFFIC OVER A MASS EVENT LIKE THAT. 
          YEAH. SO BUT AGAIN, IT'S I THINK THERE'S A LACK OF COMMUNICATION. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE GOT SOME OF THESE PEOPLE TO TALK AND WE ENDED UP JUST
GETTING A BETTER UNDERSTANDING BETWEEN THE CITY AND WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE CITY AND, AND THE TOWER AND THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY. 
          WE CAN SOLVE SOME OF THESE PROBLEMS. YEAH. AND AGAIN,
BEING IN OUR FOOTBALL GAMES BETWEEN 7 TO 10,000 PEOPLE AND WE WENT RIGHT OVER US GAME NIGHT. SO MY POINT IS I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF CAMBIAR IN PARTICULAR MEETS THAT THRESHOLD. 
          SO WE JUST NEED TO BE PRETTY SPECIFIC WHEN WE'RE SAYING THAT KIND OF STUFF. FINALLY. 
          AND I'LL LEAVE WITH THIS JUST. AND I WROTE THIS DOWN NEAR THE FIRST I WROTE AT THE BOTTOM
OF THE LIST. 
          SO I'M JUST NOW SEEING IT. I WAS SUPPOSED TO ASK EVERY PERSON THIS,
THIS TELLS YOU I GOT A D TODAY, ALMOST A D MINUS. MY QUESTION FOR EVERY PERSON WAS,
CAN YOU BE AT ALL OF THE MEETINGS? YES. OKAY. ABSOLUTELY. APPARENTLY THE OTHER EIGHT CAN I DON'T KNOW,
BUT I WAS SUPPOSED TO ASK. 
          RIGHT. YOU NEED TO KNOW IF THEY CAN BE, BECAUSE I KNOW IN THE PAST THAT'S BEEN A THING
WHERE PEOPLE GO OUT OF TOWN FOR THE SUMMER AND MESS UP THE MEETING SCHEDULE. YEAH. ALL RIGHT, MY I DIGRESS, I APOLOGIZE. OKAY. THANK YOU,
THANK YOU. 
          I THANK YOU FOR APPLYING AGAIN. I LOVE YOUR IDEAS. 
          I THINK THEY NEED TO BE EXPLORED. I THINK THAT IF WE HAD AN ATTITUDE OF JUST GOING WITH
WHAT THE FAA SAYS WE CAN AND CANNOT DO, BLACK AND WHITE, WE WOULD BE WE WOULD BE DOING ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FOR NOISE. 
          SO THANK YOU. I THINK THAT YOU WERE YOU'VE BEEN AT THIS AIRPORT FOR A LONG TIME. 
          I REMEMBER THE DISCUSSION ABOUT T HANGARS AND SORT OF YOUR FRUSTRATION WITH THEM. 
          I I LIKE THAT YOU HAVE THE EXPERIENCE AND AND DOING IT AND THAT YOU'RE COGNIZANT THAT
THERE, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO BALANCE THIS WITH THE CITY. 
          AND THE NOISE. I THINK YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT ABOUT WHERE THE WHERE THE THE ELEPHANT IN THE
ROOM IS, WHICH IS FRACTIONAL JET VOLUME. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT,
YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE SO MUCH CONTROL OVER, BUT CITY COUNCIL DOES IS IS OUR LAND USE AUTHORITY. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD WORK,
YOU KNOW, AT LEAST COLLABORATE TOGETHER ON A LITTLE CLOSER WITH THE FAA WHEN, WHEN PROPOSALS GO TO YOU AND THEN AND THEN TO US ON WHAT,
WHAT DO WE WANT TO BE? YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN IS IT TOO MUCH THAT WE ARE NO LONGER COMPATIBLE WITH THE CITY? AND BECAUSE YOU'RE ALWAYS GOING TO BE SAFETY. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE SAFETY. IT'S GOING TO BE EFFICIENCY. BUT THEN THE WHOLE COMPATIBILITY,
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A MEASUREMENT SYSTEM AROUND WHAT IS COMPATIBLE AND WHAT IS NOT. 
          AND THAT MAY BE PART OF THE SOURCE OF OF YOU KNOW,
OUR DISCONTENT IS WHEN IS ENOUGH ENOUGH? I THINK THE NAR OR THE FAA ABSOLUTELY DOES HAVE SOME POWERS TO DO SOMETHING A LITTLE
OUTSIDE OF THE BOX. 
          AND I THINK WE SAW THIS DURING COVID BECAUSE THE WHAT I WAS TOLD BY CHRIS ROZANSKI WAS
THAT BOTH THE FAA AND THE AIRPORT ITSELF REALIZED DURING COVID THEY HAD A PROBLEM WITH VOLUME AND SO AND PEOPLE AND THEY WERE THE PLANES WERE STACKING UP
SO, SO PLANES COULD NOT TAKE OFF. SO THEY STARTED METERING. 
          AND SO I THINK IT CAN BE DONE. I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO BE VERY CREATIVE YOU
KNOW, AND I THINK TAKING A BIT FROM THERE ATTORNEY KIRSCH HIS,
HIS IDEA OF SAYING, YOU KNOW, HOW CAN YOU ARRANGE IT SO THAT NAPLES IS SO UNIQUE THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO LET THE WHOLE HORSE OUT OF THE BARN FOR THE UNITED STATES,
BUT CAN DO SOMETHING VERY SPECIFIC, COGNIZANT THAT WE ARE WE HAVE A CITY FEET OFF THE RUNWAY,
AND WE ARE A HIGHLY SEASONAL COMMUNITY. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP AGAIN. THANK YOU. 
          I HAVE KRISTEN. YEAH. THANK YOU. MAYOR. JUST A COUPLE THINGS. 
          THANKS FOR APPLYING, MR. SCHUMANN. I ALWAYS ALSO ENJOY YOUR CREATIVE IDEAS AND
SUGGESTIONS. 
          [06:50:04]
NUMBER ONE QUESTION. I'VE ALWAYS SEEN YOU AS SOMEBODY WHO'S KIND OF SPEAKING FOR THE
LITTLE GUY AT THE AIRPORT AND AND THE, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHAT I'VE COME TO LEARN ANYWAY IS,
FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S A LOT OF SMALL BUSINESSES THAT MAKE THEIR LIVELIHOOD WITH AND THROUGH THE AIRPORT,
NOT JUST LARGE BUSINESSES. 
          AND YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HEAR THE NUMBERS OF 5000 JOBS ACCOUNTABLE BY THE AIRPORT,
CREATED DIRECTLY AND DIRECTLY BY THE AIRPORT, A LOT OF THOSE ARE LOCAL SMALL BUSINESSES, I THINK,
BUT ALSO THE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE YOURSELF, SMALL AIRCRAFT OWNERS AND PILOTS AND THAT THAT USE THE AIRPORT,
FLIGHT SCHOOLS, ETC.. MY CONCERN, AND THIS IS MY QUESTION TO YOU,
MY CONCERN WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE WITH THE GRANT DISCUSSION AND WHEN WE, THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY BOARD PASSED ON THE $9 MILLION GRANT EARLIER
THIS SUMMER, IS THAT IF THAT BECOMES A PATTERN AND MAYBE IT'S EVEN GOING TO HAVE AN EFFECT JUST WITH
THIS ONE GRANT THAT WAS LOST IS THAT THE SMALL PERSON AT THE AIRPORT, THE SMALL OPERATOR,
THE SMALL BUSINESSES AT THE AIRPORT WILL BE MORE EFFECTIVE AFFECTED THAN LARGE GUY. I MEAN, THE BIG WE HEAR ABOUT THE BIG JET OWNERS AND OPERATORS,
BUT IF THE IN LIEU OF A GRANT WE HAVE TO THE AIRPORT HAS TO INCREASE LANDING FEES, FUEL COSTS,
OTHER TYPES OF FEES. 
          IT'S GOING TO BE PASSED ON TO PEOPLE, AND THE SMALLER INDIVIDUAL OR BUSINESS WILL FEEL
THAT IMPACT PROPORTIONATELY IN A HEAVIER WAY THAN WILL LARGER MORE THAN WEALTHIER INDIVIDUALS AND
LARGER COMPANIES. 
          TELL ME IF THAT PROPOSITION I JUST LAID OUT IS ACCURATE IN YOUR MIND. 
          THAT'S A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. AND BUT HERE'S ANOTHER INTERESTING OBSERVATION THAT I HAVE. 
          BECAUSE OF THE WHOLE GRANT ISSUE, ALL OF A SUDDEN THE WHOLE NAPLES AIRPORT HAD TO GO
THROUGH AND DO SOME SCENARIOS FOR NEW BUDGETS, ASSUMING THEY WEREN'T GETTING GRANTS. AND THAT TRIGGERED A WHOLE LOT OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT
LANDING FEES, LEASE RATES AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND THAT TRIGGERED THE TENANTS TO GET TOGETHER AND FORM
AN ORGANIZATION THAT KEITH WEST FROM REX AIR ORGANIZED. AND FOR THE FIRST TIME, PEOPLE REALLY STARTED LOOKING AT THE BUDGET AND
THEY STARTED LOOKING AT WHAT ARE THESE PROJECTS AND WHAT ARE WE SPENDING ALL THIS MONEY ON? ALL RIGHT. AND SOME OF IT IS LITTLE STUFF,
LIKE THEY HAD $100,000 IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET TO BASICALLY HIRE SOMEBODY TO PLAN A RENOVATION OF A PLAYGROUND THAT IS ONLY ABOUT 5 OR 10 YEARS OLD. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST THE JUST THE ABSOLUTE,
YOU KNOW, MINOR LITTLE THINGS. 
          YOU'VE GOT RIGHT NOW IN THE BUDGET, THERE'S $22 MILLION FOR FIXING THE LIGHTING OR
UPGRADING THE LIGHTING AT THE AIRPORT. 
          I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT AIRCRAFT LIGHTING AND RUNWAY LIGHTING OR WHATEVER,
BUT I JUST DID SOME ROUGH NUMBERS. 
          THAT'S BASICALLY $50,000 PER LIGHT. NOW I JUST,
LIKE, HAS. 
          DOES THAT SOUND REASONABLE? YOU KNOW, HOW MUCH DO OTHER AIRPORTS SPEND ON LIGHTING? I MEAN, WE'VE GOT AIRPORTS IN EVERY LITTLE TOWN ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. 
          IF THEY WERE SPENDING $20 MILLION ON LIGHTING,
NONE OF THESE AIRPORTS WOULD EXIST. 
          SO THERE'S PEOPLE THAT ARE STARTING TO LOOK AT NUMBERS AND START ASKING QUESTIONS. 
          AS TO WHAT'S NICE AND WHAT'S NICE. YEAH. AND AND THAT'S THE,
THE BENEFIT OF THIS WHOLE DISCUSSION NOW WHETHER OR NOT WE ULTIMATELY END UP TAKING GRANTS OR NOT. THAT'S KIND OF A SEPARATE ISSUE. AND TO A CERTAIN DEGREE,
THAT ALSO DEPENDS ON WHAT ARE YOU TAKING A GRANT FOR AND WHAT ARE THE STRINGS THAT ARE ATTACHED. LIKE IF YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE A GRANT FOR $200,000 TO,
YOU KNOW, REPAIR A TAXIWAY OR WHATEVER, AND YOU GOT STRINGS THAT TIE YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR BACK FOR 20 YEARS. 
          AT THAT POINT, IT'S KIND OF LIKE, OKAY, IS THAT A GOOD DECISION? ON THE OTHER HAND, WE'VE HAD SOME TALK TODAY ABOUT RESILIENCY AND THE WHOLE FLOODING
ISSUE. 
          WELL IF YOU GO TO THE NETHERLANDS. OKAY. AND YOU LOOK AT HOW THEY DO FLOOD CONTROL. 
          [06:55:03]
OKAY. THEY HAVE LIKE IN ROTTERDAM, THEY HAVE HUGE FLOOD GATES THAT THEY CAN CLOSE FOR THE
RIVERS THAT GO. 
          SO WHEN THEY HAVE A STORM THAT STOPS THE WATER FROM COMING IN. 
          WELL, WHEN IAN HIT, OUR FURNITURE STORE WAS A BLOCK FROM HERE AND WE ENDED UP EVEN THOUGH
WE HAD 3 OR 4 STEPS UP, WE ENDED UP WITH A FOOT AND A HALF OF WATER,
AS DID MOST OF FIFTH AVENUE AND YOUR FIRE STATION HERE. 
          ALL RIGHT. THAT WATER DIDN'T COME DIRECTLY FROM THE GULF. 
          THAT WATER ALL CAME UP FROM NAPLES BAY, AND IT WAS THE WIND THAT WAS BLOWING IT UP. 
          AND THEN WHEN IT HIT THE, YOU KNOW, TIN CITY,
IT FORCED IT COULDN'T REALLY GO MUCH FURTHER NORTH. 
          AND IT WENT DOWNTOWN AND IT FLOODED ALL OF DOWNTOWN AND THE WHOLE SURROUNDING
NEIGHBORHOODS. 
          WELL, IF YOU HAVE A SITUATION WHERE THE AIRPORT IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FLOOD,
PROTECT IT, YOU KNOW, ONE POSSIBILITY MIGHT BE THAT, YOU KNOW,
THE BEST SOLUTION IS TO PUT IN FLOOD GATES AT GORDON PASS. 
          THAT WOULD STOP THE WATER FROM COMING INTO NAPLES BAY AND THEN,
INCIDENTALLY, WOULD BASICALLY PROTECT PORT ROYAL, ROYAL HARBOR, FIFTH AVENUE, CREIGHTON COVE, AND YOU COULD GET THE,
YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY THE FAA TO SPEND TO PAY FOR 80% OF THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A WHOLE DIFFERENT BALL GAME. MAYBE THAT WOULD MAKE A
LOT OF SENSE. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT KIND OF BENEFIT FOR SOMETHING THAT WE OTHERWISE
COULDN'T AFFORD TO DO, YOU KNOW, THAT CHANGES YOUR THINKING. ANOTHER IDEA. 
          NOT SUCH A SMALL IDEA EITHER. SO THANK YOU. ONE. 
          ONE OTHER. ONE OTHER QUESTION FOR YOU. THE FRACTIONAL JETS HAS COME UP,
AND I COULD HAVE ASKED THIS QUESTION TO ANYBODY, BUT I'M ASKING YOU AS YOUR LAST INTERVIEW. AND I'M LOOKING AT MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS
WHEN I ASK THIS TO, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE USING THE RIGHT TERMINOLOGY HERE. 
          AS I AS I'VE ALWAYS UNDERSTOOD IT, THERE ARE REALLY THREE CATEGORIES OF JET OWNERS AND
OPERATORS AT THE AIRPORT. THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO OWN THEIR INDIVIDUAL PLANES. 
          CATEGORY ONE. CATEGORY TWO ARE FRACTIONAL JETS,
WHICH AS I UNDERSTAND IT, IS WHERE MULTIPLE PEOPLE OWN A PORTION OF A JET AND HAVE ACCESS TO IT. AND THEN THERE'S A SEPARATE THIRD CATEGORY CALLED
CHARTER JETS, WHICH ARE BUSINESSES THAT HAVE JETS THAT FLY FROM FIXED POINT TO FIXED POINT ON A,
ON SOME KIND OF A SCHEDULE. AND THEY, I DON'T KNOW, 12, 18, 20 SEATS,
WHATEVER THE NUMBER TYPICALLY IS. 
          AND PEOPLE CAN SIMPLY BUY TICKETS AND FLY ON IT. 
          AND SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE GROWTH IN JET TRAFFIC AT OUR AIRPORT,
I THOUGHT IT WAS LARGELY WAS, WAS MORE IN THE CHARTER JET AREA THAN THE FRACTIONAL JET AREA. 
          SO CAN YOU. HAVE I DESCRIBED IT ACCURATELY? I THINK THAT'S VERY ACCURATE. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SPLIT IS BETWEEN THE CHARTER JETS AND THE FRACTIONAL JETS. 
          RIGHT. LIKE, FOR INSTANCE FLEXJET, WHICH IS A COMPETITOR TO NETJETS. 
          THEY HAVE THEIR OWN TERMINAL AT NAPLES, AND SO ALL OF THEIR JETS END UP GOING TO THEIR
TERMINAL. 
          MANY OF THE JETS THAT ARE LANDING AT THE MAIN FBO,
OKAY, ARE PRIVATE, EITHER PRIVATE JETS OR CHARTER JETS, AND YOU CAN GENERALLY TELL WHO THE CHARTER JETS ARE BECAUSE THEY'LL LAND AND THEN
THEY'LL TAKE OFF THE SAME DAY. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HANG AROUND. YOU KNOW,
IF SOMEBODY'S FLYING THEIR OWN JET IN AND THEY'RE SPENDING, YOU KNOW, A WEEK, THEY'RE GOING TO PARK THE JET AND IT'S NOT GOING TO GO. 
          MY POINT REALLY IS, AND I MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE SOMETIMES IS WE TEND TO KIND OF MIX UP WE
REFER TO FRACTIONAL JETS AND CHARTER JETS SORT OF AS THE SAME ANIMAL, AND I'M NOT SURE THEY ARE. THEY'RE PRETTY SIMILAR,
THOUGH. 
          I MEAN, THE THE DIFFERENCE IS A CHARTER JET IS IF IF YOU'RE,
IF YOU DON'T FLY THAT MUCH. 
          OKAY. BUT YOU LIKE FLYING PRIVATE, OKAY. AND YOU'RE UP IN NEW YORK,
YOU'LL CALL UP A COMPANY AND YOU'LL GET A CHARTER, AND THEY'LL BASICALLY FLY YOU DOWN FOR THE PEOPLE THAT FLY A LOT. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY GO AND BUY A NETJETS CARD FOR $50,000 OR $100,000,
AND THEY GET A CERTAIN NUMBER OF HOURS AND THEY'RE PAYING BASICALLY UP FRONT. 
          BUT IN THE END, IT'S THE SAME STORY. I MEAN,
YOU'VE GOT THESE PLANES FLYING AROUND WITH TWO PASSENGERS AND BUT AS NETJETS, A CHARTER JET OR A FRACTIONAL, IT'S A FRACTIONAL. 
          NETJETS IS A FRACTIONAL JET. FLEXJET IS FRACTIONAL WHEELS UP I THINK IS ALSO FRACTIONAL. 
          [07:00:03]
BUT LIKE FOR INSTANCE, ELITE JETS, WHICH IS BASED AT THE NAPLES AIRPORT THERE,
A CHARTER JET OPERATION THERE. 
          CHARTER? THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH A CHARTER OPERATION. 
          AND THAT'S BECAUSE. WHY? WHAT MAKES THEM A CHARTER? WELL, IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT BUSINESS MODEL. YEAH,
OKAY, I'LL LET IT GO. 
          YEAH. THANK YOU. IT'S A GREAT QUESTION THAT WE NEED TO ASK MR. ROSANSKY. I THINK I THINK I MAKE IT EASY. SO CHARTER IS IF YOU GET A CAR WITH A PRIVATE
DRIVER TO THE AIRPORT, AND IF YOU HAVE THE NETJETS CARD, THAT'S AN UBER,
YOU MAY GET A DIFFERENT DRIVER. 
          IT'S JUST A LOT MORE ACCESS. YEAH, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          I THINK, YEAH, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. YOU'RE BUYING INTO A FLEET. 
          I WOULD SAY IT THAT WAY. YOU'RE BUYING INTO A FLEET WHEN YOU BUY THAT THAT NETJETS CARD,
I UNDERSTAND THERE THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT OWN PRIVATE JETS THAT, YOU KNOW, DON'T WHEN THEY'RE NOT USING THEM,
THEY'LL RENT THEM. 
          IT'S JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE HAVING A VACATION HOME IN NAPLES,
YOU KNOW, YOU PUT IT ON VRBO AND BASICALLY RENT IT WHEN YOU'RE NOT USING IT. 
          THERE'S A NEW ONE. NOT IN NAPLES. THANK YOU. MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU. I HAVE BARTON AND THEN VICE MAYOR. 
          YEAH. I'LL JUST BE REAL QUICK. IN REFERENCE TO THE TO THE FRACTIONALS. 
          YOU KNOW, WE WERE KIND OF. THEY'RE AN EASY TARGET. SO WE'RE PICKING ON THEM HERE A LITTLE
BIT RIGHT NOW. AND, AND IT'S EASY TO SAY, OH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE,
THEY'RE THE BAD GUYS. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE THE EVIL TOURISTS THAT ARE FLYING INTO TOWN FOR THE WEEKEND AND STAYING
AT THE FOUR SEASONS. AND THEY'RE GONE. SO THEY DON'T PAY TAXES HERE. THEY DON'T REALLY COUNT, YOU KNOW. AND WE NEED TO WE NEED TO GET THEM PUSHED OFF UP TO RS. 
          HOWEVER, WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS THE REALITY IS THAT A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS HERE HAVE
SHARES IN THESE FRACTIONALS. 
          THEY USE THEM. THEY USE THEM OFTEN. THEY LIKE TO FLY OUT OF OUR AIRPORT. 
          THEY LIKE TO USE THE AIRPORT. AND THEY THEY DON'T WANT TO BE SHEPHERDED OFF TO,
TO SE. 
          AND IN DOING SO, IF WE WERE TO SUGGEST SUCH A THING,
THEY WOULD FEEL VERY DISENFRANCHIZED. 
          SO MY QUESTION TO YOU, AFTER I'VE NOW PLAYED DEVIL'S ADVOCATE,
MY QUESTION IS TO YOU, HOW WOULD WE ADDRESS THOSE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE PAYING REAL HIGH TAX BILLS HERE, THEY HAVE RESIDENCES HERE. THEY MAY NOT EVEN LIVE HERE FULL TIME,
BUT THEY'RE STILL PAYING THOSE PROPERTY TAXES BECAUSE THEY HAVE THAT BEAUTIFUL HOME OVER ON THE BEACH OR OVER DOWN IN PORT ROYAL OR AQUILINE. 
          SO THEY ARE A PART OF THE COMMUNITY. THEY MAY NOT BE HERE EIGHT MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR,
BUT THEY ARE STILL PART OF THE COMMUNITY AND THEY'RE PAYING BIG DOLLARS INTO OUR SYSTEM. 
          WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE NOT FEELING DISENFRANCHIZED. SO HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT
THEY'RE INCLUDED IF OUR THEORY IS TO MOVE THEM OFF TO RESCUE? WELL, THAT'S THE DILEMMA THAT WE FACE. OKAY. BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT HAVE VERY
DEEP POCKETS THAT OWN VERY EXPENSIVE PROPERTY THAT PAY A LOT OF PROPERTY TAXES. 
          PROBABLY HALF OF OUR PROPERTY TAXES FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES COMES FROM THESE PEOPLE,
AND THEY USE VIRTUALLY NONE OF OUR SERVICES. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE KIDS IN THE SCHOOLS. YOU KNOW,
THEY REALLY FUND OUR LIFESTYLE. 
          AND AT THE SAME TIME, AS A CITY, WE'RE TRYING THIS BALANCING ACT WHERE WE WANT THOSE
PEOPLE HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE PAYING THE BILLS. 
          BUT AT THE SAME TIME, WE WANT TO BASICALLY STILL KEEP NAPLES AFFORDABLE FOR MIDDLE CLASS
PEOPLE, BECAUSE THAT GIVES YOU THE ARTISTS AND THE WHOLE FLAVOR THAT DRAWS THOSE BILLIONAIRES INTO
TOWN ANYWAY. 
          AND IT'S LIKE THERE'S NO GOOD ANSWER. I MEAN,
THIS IS JUST, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE STRUGGLE THAT YOU GUYS FACE. 
          AND IT'S NOT JUST AN AIRPORT STRUGGLE. IT'S A STRUGGLE IN TERMS OF HOW YOU'RE RUNNING THE
WHOLE CITY. 
          THE BIGGEST STRUGGLE IS MOST OF THAT MONEY DOESN'T GO TO THE CITY. 
          IT GOES TO THE COUNTY. SO LET'S NOT GO DOWN THAT ROAD AND GET YOU STARTED. 
          THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I HOPE BY THE END OF THIS MEETING YOU'VE
REALIZED THAT IF YOU CAN JUST CHANGE YOUR LAST NAME TO SOMETHING BEGINNING WITH AN A OR A B THAT THINGS ARE GOING TO GET JUST A WHOLE LOT EASIER. 
          YOU WON'T HAVE TO SIT HERE ALL DAY. YOU KNOW WHAT? ACTUALLY,
I ENJOYED SITTING HERE ALL DAY. I MEAN, THERE'S A HUGE ADVANTAGE IN BEING LAST. YES,
YOU GET SOME GREAT IDEAS WHILE YOU'RE SITTING HERE WATCHING. 
          SO JUST REAL QUICKLY, HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN. 
          JUST REMIND US AGAIN HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN ENGAGED WITH THE AIRPORT AND AS A LOCAL
BUSINESSMAN. 
          MY WIFE AND I ACCIDENTALLY BOUGHT A HOUSE IN ROYAL HARBOR IN 2002,
AND THEN WE DECIDED WE COULDN'T HAVE A HOUSE HERE WITHOUT HAVING A BUSINESS HERE. 
          SO WE OPENED OUR STORE THE SAME YEAR. SO WE'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME. 
          I'VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE NAPLES AIRPORT. INITIALLY,
WHEN I WAS DOWN HERE, I WAS IN A GLIDER CLUB IN IMMOKALEE THAT KIND OF DISINTEGRATED. 
          AND THEN OUT OF FRUSTRATION BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY OTHER OPTIONS,
I BOUGHT A MOTOR GLIDER, AND I THAT WAS ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO THAT I GOT A HANGAR,
LUCKILY. 
          WELL. THANK YOU. YOU'VE CLEARLY ANSWERED THE QUESTION REGARDING AVAILABILITY TO ATTEND NA
BOARD MEETINGS. 
          [07:05:02]
SO THE REASON THOSE QUESTIONS CAME UP, OR EVEN I HAD IT ON MY LIST OF QUESTIONS,
IS BECAUSE YOU MADE THE STATEMENT ABOUT TAKING YOUR PLANE UP NORTH FOR THE SUMMER. SO IT KIND OF TRIGGERS A QUESTION, WELL,
WAIT A MINUTE, IS HE GOING TO HAVE TROUBLE ATTENDING MEETINGS? BUT THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE CASE. WELL, WE HAVE YOU KNOW,
WE HAVE A FURNITURE STORE HERE IN NAPLES AND ONE IN MINNEAPOLIS. 
          SO MY WIFE AND I ARE BACK AND FORTH ALL THE TIME. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I LIKE COUNCILMAN. CHRISTMANN. 
          MADE A STATEMENT ABOUT WHEN WE SEE YOU. YOU SEEM TO RESONATE AS SOMEONE WHO WHO KNOWS WHAT
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT YOU ALIGN WITH THE LITTLE GUY RIGHT NOW. 
          YOU COULD BE A MULTIBILLIONAIRE, FOR ALL I KNOW. 
          BUT I REALLY LIKE THE WAY THAT YOU PRESENT YOURSELF. 
          AND YOU PRESENT IDEAS THAT ARE PRACTICAL. AND THAT'S WHEN I LOOK AT YOU,
MR. SCHUMAN, OVER THE YEARS. IT'S PRACTICAL. YOU'RE YOU'RE PRACTICAL. 
          I LIKE THE FACT THAT YOU RESIST USING ABSOLUTES. 
          YOU KNOW, THE AIRPORT BUSINESS YOU'VE SAID HERE AND TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT BUSINESS MODELS
USING AIRCRAFT, WHETHER IT'S A A FRACTIONAL JET OR A DIFFERENT TYPE OF BUSINESS MODEL. 
          AND I APPRECIATE THAT. AND I THINK I'VE SEEN IN YOU THAT YOU'RE OPEN TO REASONABLE
DISCUSSION, YET YOU'RE ALSO CLEAR ON ACTION STEPS NEEDING TO EFFECTIVELY MANAGE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE
FOR BOTH THE USERS OF THE AIRPORT AND OUR RESIDENTS. AND I COMMEND YOU FOR THAT. 
          AND COUNCIL WHEN WHEN WE THINK OF THE, THE TERM THE NAPLES MUNICIPAL AIRPORT I BELIEVE MR. SCHUMAN'S ALMOST THE EPITOME OF A SMALL MUNICIPAL AIRPORT USER. 
          SO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. 
          I WON'T ASK MY QUESTIONS BECAUSE MR. SCHUMAN HAS BEEN VERY PERSISTENT. 
          HAS HAD THE SAME SUGGESTION SINCE 2019. IF NOT BEFORE THEN. 
          SO I THANK YOU, SIR. I THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND ALWAYS YOUR OPTIMISTIC ATTITUDE AND
OUTLOOK. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR INDULGING ME. COUNCIL. 
          I HAVE ONE PUBLIC SPEAKER AND I DO APOLOGIZE. 
          THAT I SHOULD HAVE TAKEN YOU AT THE BEGINNING OF THE HEARINGS. 
          JOSE CABRERA. GOOD AFTERNOON. RENEWED. LIKE MICHAEL SAID,
SOMETIMES THERE'S A BENEFIT TO BEING LAST, SO I'LL TAKE IT. SO AS WE MENTIONED, JOSÉ CABRERA 1872 SIERRA COURT. 
          I WORK AT THE NAPLES AIRPORT, AND TODAY I'M REPRESENTING AND SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE
AIRPORT'S TENANT COUNCIL, WHO HAS BEEN REFERENCED MULTIPLE TIMES. 
          A COUPLE OF THINGS BEFORE I GO INTO THAT. FIRST,
THANK YOU TO THE WORK THAT MOSQUITO CONTROL DOES FOR ME AND FOR BEING A GREAT AIRPORT AND COMMUNITY PARTNER. THAT HAS TO BE KIND OF MENTIONED. 
          SECOND, THE COMMUNITY CITY OF NAPLES, COLLIER COUNTY,
STATE AND FEDERAL LEADERS PRETTY MUCH HAVE LOST FAITH ON THE CITY COUNCIL, GIVEN THE LAST TWO APPOINTMENTS FOR PEOPLE THAT ACTIVELY OPPOSED THE SAME INSTITUTION,
THEY WERE APPOINTED TO COUNCIL FOR THE BETTER, NOT THE WORSE. THIS IS ALL DEMONSTRATED BY THE MENTIONED LOCAL BILL CURRENTLY BEING
CONSIDERED IN TALLAHASSEE. 
          LEGISLATOR. THE NAPLES CITY COUNCIL SHOULD TRY TO REGAIN THE PEOPLE'S TRUST BY APPOINTING
PROPER CANDIDATES THAT FIT THE CANDIDATE PROFILE THAT THE TENANT COUNCIL SHARE WITH YOU ALL. MONTHS AGO. MAYOR. IN MY OPINION,
IF YOU'RE GOING TO ASK ABOUT CANDIDATES BEING PART OF FRIENDS OF NAPLES AIRPORT, YOU SHOULD PROBABLY DO THE SAME IN RESPECT TO OLD NAPLES ASSOCIATION AND WHETHER OR NOT
THAT'S A QUALIFIED OR DISQUALIFYING DISQUALIFYING QUESTION, THAT'S UP TO YOU, BUT I WOULD KEEP IT FAIR. THE NAPLES AIRPORT TENANT COUNCIL WAS FOUNDED
WITH THE INTENT OF PROVIDING A VOICE TO THE AIRPORT'S TENANTS AND THE STAKEHOLDERS, WHILE ALSO ESTABLISHING A COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE SAME AND THE NAPLES
AIRPORT AUTHORITY. 
          WE REPRESENT ALL LARGE, MEDIUM AND SMALL TENANTS ALL THE SAME. 
          KRAMER. GOOD NEWS. THE TENANT COUNCIL DID ACTUALLY ASK ALL CANDIDATES THAT WERE PRESENT IN
OUR RECENT FORUM THAT WHETHER OR NOT THEY WERE GOING TO BE PRESENT OR AVAILABLE ON ALL THE MEETINGS AND THE ONES THAT I'M ABOUT TO TALK ABOUT,
ALL RESPONDED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE. 
          SO I'LL TELL YOU WHO THOSE ARE IN A MINUTE. SO THE FOLLOWING IS A LETTER THAT WAS SENT TO
ALL OF YOU LAST WEEK VIA EMAIL. 
          SO I'M HERE TO PRESENT IT IN THE SUNSHINE. THE TENANT COUNCIL,
THE TENANTS COUNCIL HELD A CANDIDATE FORUM ON WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 12TH. LAST WEEK, WITH THE INTENT OF GETTING TO KNOW THE CANDIDATES AND THEIR
QUALIFICATIONS FOR THE TWO UPCOMING NA COMMISSIONER POSITIONS. 
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ALL 11 CANDIDATES AT THAT MOMENT WERE CORDIALLY INVITED TO ATTEND. 
          AFTER LISTENING TO EACH CANDIDATE SPEAK AND ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL MEMBERS,
WE ALL VOTED TO SUPPORT THE FOLLOWING CANDIDATES. 
          THE LIST IS IN NO PARTICULAR ORDER, BY THE WAY,
AND THEY INCLUDE JOHN ALLEN, PETER WHITEHORN. 
          I BELIEVE WITHDREW. RALPH ALBERTO, MICHELLE ARNOLD,
GREG MELANSON, AND CRAIG KOBZA. 
          WE BELIEVE THESE CANDIDATES ARE WELL QUALIFIED TO REPRESENT THE AIRPORT AND THE GREATER
NAPLES COMMUNITY THAT CAME FROM. 
          SINCERELY, KEITH WEST, WHO IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE NAPLES AIRPORT TENANT COUNCIL. 
          ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE ALL DAY. 
          AND CARING ABOUT THE CANDIDATES THAT WE APPOINT. 
          COUNCIL. THAT CONCLUDES THE BOARDS AND COMMITTEES. 
          IF WE COULD TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK MR. YOUNG SEVEN A HAS BEEN CONTINUED. 
          THAT'S CORRECT, MA'AM. AND THEN SEVEN B WILL COME BACK AND DO SEVEN B AND GO INTO SEVEN C. 
          YEP. TIME PERMITTING. YES, MA'AM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. 
          WITH THAT, WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. OKAY. 
          WE'RE BACK FROM OUR SHORT BREAK AND WE'RE CONTINUING ON WITH ITEM SEVEN B MR. 
          [7.B) A Discussion Providing Direction for a Request for a Private Resident to Install a Seawall at 32nd Avenue South Public Beach Access to Connect Two Private Seawalls on the North and South Residential Properties.        ]
YOUNG. THANK YOU MAYOR. SO THE ITEM BEFORE YOU TODAY IS WE HAVE A PROPERTY OWNER THAT THAT
WANTS TO CONNECT TWO PROPERTIES ON THE SIDE OF OUR BEACH ENDS WITH A SEAWALL. AND AS YOU KNOW,
WE HAVE SOME SEAWALLS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT WE JUST RECENTLY REPAIRED WITH IAN. 
          AND THERE'S A SIZABLE, YOU KNOW, COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHY IS IT
BEFORE YOU HOW DOES SOMEBODY JUST MAKE IT ON THE AGENDA ANYTIME SOMEBODY WANTS TO? IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO PUT SOMETHING ON YOUR PROPERTY OR DONATE IT,
THE CITY MANAGER HAS AUTHORITY UP TO A CERTAIN POINT. 
          BUT THERE COMES ALSO LIABILITY AND OTHER THINGS THAT GO ALONG WITH IT. 
          SO BEFORE WE GO DOWN THE ROAD OF EVEN NEGOTIATING ANY TERMS,
IF WE WANTED TO DO IT, WE SAID, LOOK, LET'S AT LEAST COME BACK DURING A WORKSHOP,
LET YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS THAT THAT IS BEING ASKED OF US. 
          AND THEN IF YOU WANT US TO CONSIDER IT, THEN WE'LL GO BACK AND PUT EVERYTHING TOGETHER TO, TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN. SO WITH THAT, I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO PREFACE WHY IT'S HERE BEFORE
YOU, HOW IT MAKES IT ON THE AGENDA THERE. YOU KNOW,
I'LL LET THE STAFF GO OVER, YOU KNOW, BENEFITS AND COSTS ANALYSIS OR THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS, NOT FROM A DOLLAR STANDPOINT,
JUST OPERATION STANDPOINT. 
          AND THEN WE CAN KIND OF GO FROM THERE. SO WITH THAT I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CHAD. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. CHAD MERRITT COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR. 
          YES. SO THIS ITEM IS ONE AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE WE STARTED THE PROCESS OF RECONSTRUCTING THE
BEACH ACCESSES. 
          WE GOT WE WERE ACTUALLY IN THE EVE OF STARTING CONSTRUCTION ON THIS PARTICULAR ACCESS AT
32ND AVE SOUTH, AND WE IT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION. I THINK THEY WERE WORKING THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS
DEPARTMENT, BUT THE PLANNING THAT THE PRIVATE RESIDENT WANTED TO INSTALL A SEAWALL TO MAKE THE
CONNECTION. 
          SO WE KIND OF PAUSED SHIFTED TO A DIFFERENT LOCATION FOR THAT CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND YOU KNOW, I DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE CHARACTERISTICS ABOUT
THIS PARTICULAR ACCESS. 
          THIS ACCESS HAS BEEN A MAINTENANCE ACCESS, MEANING THIS IS ONE OF THE AREAS THAT WE ACCESS
THE BEACH WITH THE BEACH RAKE. 
          THIS IS AN ACCESS POINT FOR EMERGENCY PERSONNEL. 
          AND THIS WAS WE HAD CONSTRUCTED IT WITH PLANS TO DO THE SAND HAUL OUT OF THIS LOCATION. 
          I KIND OF PREPARED OURSELF AND TRIED TO COME UP WITH SOME OTHER OPTIONS IF THIS IS THE
DIRECTION THAT WE MOVE IN. 
          I DO UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF PROTECTING THE ASSETS AS WELL AS OUR ASSETS AS WELL AS
THE RESIDENTIAL. 
          SO WE DO HAVE AN OPTION AT 33RD AVE SOUTH, AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE THE TWO PICTURES IN
FRONT OF YOU THERE. 
          ONE THE TOP END. THE ONE ON TOP IS 32ND. THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM IS 33RD. 
          A MATTER OF ME CHANGING ONE LITTLE AREA ON 33RD BEFORE WE ACTUALLY GET THAT CONSTRUCTION
COMPLETED TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE BEACH. AND IT'S SOMETHING I CAN DO RELATIVELY SIMPLE. 
          AS FAR AS THE SAND HAUL, WE DID RUN A SAND HAUL PROJECT OUT OF THIS ACCESS RECENTLY OR THE
COUNTY DID. 
          I SHOULDN'T SAY WE DID, BUT THE COUNTY RAN A SAND HAUL PROJECT,
AND IT WAS PRETTY SUCCESSFUL AS FAR AS THE ACCESS. 
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SO, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT IT, IT MAY ACTUALLY BE A BETTER LOCATION. 
          SO IF THERE IS A DESIRE TO DO THE SEAWALL, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT STATEMENT WAS
MADE, THAT WE CAN PIVOT IF WE NEED TO PIVOT TO, TO MAKE IT WORK. 
          AND IF IT'S THE DESIRE OF COUNCIL ONE. ANOTHER REASON,
TOO IS IF WE DID CONTINUE AND PUT IT AT 32ND AND TRIED TO MAINTAIN AN ACCESS POINT BECAUSE OF THE SEAWALL,
WE WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO CONSTRUCT SOMETHING GOING UP AND THEN BACK DOWN VERSUS IF YOU LOOK AT 33RD, I MIGHT HAVE A SIMPLE STEP DOWN OR NOT STEP DOWN,
BUT A PATHWAY DOWN. 
          SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT EASIER FOR ME TO CONSTRUCT SOMETHING SO THAT WE CAN ACCESS THE BEACH. 
          I KNOW BENEFITS. ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK OF IS IF YOU'VE GOT THE SEA WALLS ON NORTH AND
SOUTH SIDE, STORM SURGE COMING IN, PUSHING IN THROUGH THAT GAP,
I DO WORRY THAT IT WOULD SIGNIFICANTLY DAMAGE THE ACCESS THAT WE JUST OR WE'RE RECONSTRUCTING NOW ANY FUTURE SURGE AS WELL AS THE ROAD. 
          THERE'S SOME ROAD CONSTRUCTION THAT'S EXISTED THERE. 
          SO I GUESS FOR ME, IT'S I'M, I'M OPEN TO WHATEVER DIRECTION THE CITY COUNCIL WANTS TO GO. 
          I JUST WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WE HAVE AN OPTION. 
          IF WE SELECT TO GO THERE, TO STILL HAVE ACCESS. 
          AND IF IT'S THE DESIRE OF CITY COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD ON 32ND. 
          WE WOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT THAT AND JUST OPEN ANY QUESTIONS. 
          I'VE GOT BOB AND HIS TEAM HERE THAT CAN. THEY'VE WORKED A LITTLE BIT MORE DIRECTLY WITH
THE PRIVATE RESIDENTS SO THEY CAN ANSWER ANY QUESTION. 
          I THINK THE PRIVATE RESIDENT HAS SOME MORE WHO IS THE ONE THAT'S CONSTRUCTING THE SEAWALLS
FOR US? THEY'RE INVOLVED AS WELL. ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? I HAVE A QUESTION. OH GO AHEAD PENMAN. WELL,
THAT'S EXACTLY MY QUESTION. 
          AND IT HAS TO DO WITH THE SURGE. THE MORE YOU NARROW THAT GAP,
THE GREATER THE STRONGER THE SURGE IS GOING TO BE. 
          BUT I'M SURE MY I'M SURE STAFF COULD PROBABLY SPEAK TO THIS MORE ELOQUENTLY AND PROBABLY
MORE PRECISELY THAN I, BUT THAT IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THEY ALWAYS SAY THAT WATER TAKES THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE. 
          AND IN THIS CASE, THAT BEACH ACCESS WOULD BE THE PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE BECAUSE OF THE
SEAWALLS ON THE NORTH AND SOUTH IF THAT CONNECTION WAS MADE. 
          YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON HOW HIGH THE SURGE GETS,
I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S REALLY ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO STOP IT, BUT AT LEAST IT CAN SLOW IT DOWN TO A POINT WHERE IT WON'T CREATE AS MUCH DAMAGE. 
          SO. AND HELLO, BOB. GOOD AFTERNOON, BOB MIDDLETON. 
          PUBLIC WORKS. MISS PENNIMAN, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION,
IF WE HAVE SEAWALLS ON CONTIGUOUS PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND SOUTH WITH THE GAP IN BETWEEN, YES, THAT GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY TO ACTUALLY INCREASE THE VELOCITY OF THE SURGE TO
COME THROUGH THERE BECAUSE YOU'VE REDUCED THE, THE AREA AT A LOWER ELEVATION. SO IF YOU BRING A SEAWALL UP AND MAKE IT THE SAME
ELEVATION, YOU MAY NOT STOP THE WATER FROM COMING OVER IT,
BUT YOU'VE SEVERELY REDUCED THE ENERGY OF THAT WAVE BY IT HITTING A HIGHER ELEVATION OR THE OR THE SEAWALL. SO WHEN HOMESTEAD AND MOORE APPROACHED US ABOUT IT EARLIER THIS YEAR,
WE SAID, WELL, THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, ESPECIALLY IF THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE NORTH IS GOING TO PAY
FOR IT. 
          SO THAT'S WHY CHAD AGREED TO TO BRING THIS IN AND HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH YOU ABOUT IT. 
          A CLARIFICATION QUESTION ASSOCIATED WITH TO CLARIFY. 
          SO THERE WILL OR WILL NOT WOULD NOT BE A GAP IF WITH THIS CONSTRUCTION OF THE SEAWALLS
THAT WOULD BE COMING TOGETHER, WOULD THEY COME ALL THE WAY TOGETHER AND THEN THE ACCESS WOULD BE UP AND OVER. 
          IS THAT HOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SEAWALL WOULD BE AS CONTIGUOUS? THERE WOULD BE NO ACCESS POINT AT 32ND. IT WOULD BE RELOCATED TO 33RD. 
          OKAY. THAT'S WHERE I. THAT'S OKAY. I'M WITH YOU. 
          NOW, NOW, WHAT ABOUT 33RD? IS THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY SEAWALL CONSTRUCTION,
ADDITIONAL SEAWALL CONSTRUCTION ON 33RD. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S. 
          THAT HELPED. WELL FIRST OF ALL, WE HAVE BEACH PARKING REQUIREMENTS AND THERE'S BEACH
PARKING THAT'S AT THAT END. 
          SO WHY WOULDN'T YOU HAVE AN ACCESS FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE PARKING THERE? HOW ARE THEY GOING TO GET OVER THE SEAWALL? SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ACCESS,
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PERSONNEL, MAINTENANCE PERSONNEL GETTING ONTO THE BEACH,
THAT ACCESS, THIS WOULDN'T HINDER ANY ACCESS TO THE PUBLIC. 
          THEY WOULD STILL HAVE PARKING. AS IT HAS PARKING,
IT WOULD JUST HAVE THE SEAWALL. 
          THE DIFFERENCE IS, IS RIGHT NOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLANS WHICH I PUT IN THE AGM SHOWS
32ND WITH AN OPENING RIGHT THERE TO THE NORTH OF THE ACCESS, 
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THAT WOULD BE THE MAINTENANCE ACCESS POINT, EMERGENCY ACCESS POINT AS WELL. 
          THAT'S WHERE BEACH PATROL GOES ON AND OFF THE BEACH. 
          THAT'S WHERE THE BEACH RATE GOES ON AND OFF THE BEACH. 
          SO THAT ACCESS WOULD HAVE TO BE MOVED FROM 32ND TO 33RD AVENUE SOUTH. 
          OKAY. WHAT IS THE WIDTH IN DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 33RD AND 32ND. 
          IT'S THE SAME. IT'S THE SAME RIGHT OF WAY. IT'S THE SAME WIDTH OF RIGHT OF WAY. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK, THERE'S A FEW MORE OBSTACLES ON 32ND WITH THE TREES TO THE RIGHT THERE ON
THE SOUTH END OF IT, BUT PRETTY MUCH ABOUT THE SAME WIDTH. 33RD IS ON THAT. 
          THAT'S THE BOTTOM PICTURE. I'M SORRY, MR. YOUNG. 
          YEAH. NO, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF BRING THREE QUESTIONS TOGETHER BECAUSE IT GOT CONFUSING,
I THINK WHEN YOU ASKED ABOUT IS IT GOING TO GO UP AND DOWN. 
          SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS THE MOMENT YOU RAISE THE SEAWALL,
YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A SLOPE UP FROM THE BEACH, A MORE GRADUAL SLOPE THAN YOU WOULD HAVE OTHERWISE HAD. 
          SO THERE'S GOING TO THAT'S GOING TO GIVE ITS HEIGHT. IT'S STILL GOING TO BE A BEACH
ACCESS. 
          IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO BE UTILIZED BY THE COUNTY OR OUR OWN EQUIPMENT,
BUT IT'S STILL GOING TO BE A BEACH ACCESS TO GET TO THE BEACH AND PARKING ON THAT ROAD. 
          SO I'M I HOPE I BROUGHT THOSE INTO COMPLETE ANSWERS SO THAT THAT CONFUSION WENT AWAY. 
          SO I'M KIND OF BECAUSE THE WHAT'S BEFORE US ISN'T YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL THAT. 
          YEAH. WELL, THAT'S WHY I WAS TRYING TO GET BECAUSE IT GOT KIND OF SEPARATED THERE FOR A
MINUTE. 
          AND I THINK THERE WERE MORE TRUTHS TO THE QUESTION THAN WAS OTHERWISE IMPLIED. 
          SO THERE'S GOING TO BE I MEAN, DETAILS MATTER AND I CAN'T SEE THE DETAILS IN THIS. 
          WILL THERE BE STAIRS IS. YES. SO WE HAVEN'T WORKED THROUGH ANY OF THAT BECAUSE THIS
CONVERSATION, AS CITY MANAGER STATED AT THE BEGINNING, IS JUST INITIATED ON WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S AN
ENTERTAINMENT FOR THE SEAWALL. 
          IF THERE'S AN AGREEMENT THAT WE WANT TO PURSUE THE SEAWALL,
THEN WE WOULD ENGAGE WITH HUMMUS AND MORE TO GET THOSE PLANS COMPLETED. 
          AND I'M NOT SURE IF THEY EVEN HAVE ANY REVISED PLANS. 
          BUT AGAIN, IF YOU PUT A SEAWALL THERE, UNDERSTANDING THE SEAWALL IS GOING TO BE ABOUT WAS
IT TWO FEET? DID I HEAR 2 OR 3FT ABOVE THE CURRENT ROAD LEVEL? PROBABLY SO, YEAH. SO WHAT THAT MEANT IS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PLANS THAT THAT'S OUR CURRENT
PLANS THAT WE HAD TO RECONSTRUCT, WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK A LITTLE BIT ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT,
BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF ELEVATION IF YOU'VE BEEN TO THE ONES AT 15TH AVENUE SOUTH. IF YOU HAVEN'T, THAT'S A PERFECT EXAMPLE. 
          THAT'S GOT THE SLOPE. SO WHEN THAT SLOPE GOES UP,
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. 
          THE SLOPE GO UP. IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE VEHICLE AND ANY OF THE TRAFFIC. 
          IT WE WILL STILL HAVE A ACCESS. BUT IT'S WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO STEPS UP
AND STEPS DOWN OR RAMP UP, RAMP DOWN, WHICHEVER ONE WE SELECT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AT 32ND WITH THE SEAWALL. 
          AND TO FULLY ANSWER, WE WOULDN'T HAVE DONE ANY DESIGNS UNTIL COUNCIL SAYS YES. 
          EXPLORE IT OR DON'T EXPLORE IT TO TO RECONFIGURE A DESIGN. 
          IF YOU HAD NO DESIRE FOR US TO EVEN CONSIDER IT BY EXPRESSING THAT TO TODAY,
THERE WOULD BE NO REASON FOR US TO REDESIGN ANYTHING. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER WERE YOU COMPLETE BEFORE WE WENT TO BARTON? I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE. OKAY, WELL, THEN I'M GOING TO GO TO VICE MAYOR AND THEN KRISEMAN,
AND THEN. 
          IF SO. HELLO. THANK YOU. SO MADAM MAYOR AND OTHERS,
WE JUST HAD A PRESENTATION NOT TOO LONG AGO ON SEAWALL HEIGHTS. 
          OKAY. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THIS PROJECT FALLS INTO THAT,
BUT I JUST WANT TO QUICKLY SAY THIS. 
          I SUPPORT A SOLUTION WHICH MAXIMIZES RESILIENCY IN BOTH AREAS. 
          AND I THINK WHEN I SAY BOTH WE'RE CONSIDERING 32ND AND 33RD. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? BEACH MS OR NO, 33RD IS GOING TO BE THE ALTERNATE FOR THE ACCESS POINT FOR
MAINTENANCE AND EMERGENCY. 
          OKAY. SO IF WE SELECT FOR SEAWALL AT 32ND, I WILL SHIFT THE ACCESS POINT FOR MAINTENANCE
AND EMERGENCY PERSONNEL TO 33RD. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY THING 33RD HAS TO DO WITH. THERE WON'T BE ANYTHING ADDITIONAL. 
          SO WE'VE SENT SOME MESSAGES TO THE COMMUNITY THAT A SEAWALL HEIGHT OF X AND IT WAS FIVE
FOOT SOMETHING NEEDS THAT. THAT'S WHAT I REMEMBER NEEDS TO BE BUILT ACROSS OUR COMMUNITY WHERE WE WHERE WE HAVE STORM IMPACTS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS ONE IS,
BUT I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE DETAILS OF IT. 
          MY ONLY ASK IS THAT WE DO IT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO ACROSS OUR COMMUNITY,
AND THAT WE'RE SMART ABOUT IT. 
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IF I THINK SOMEONE I DON'T KNOW WHO SAID IT,
MAYBE COUNCILMAN BARTON, I DON'T. 
          IF IT WAS SMART, IF IT. NO, THAT'S NOT TRUE. BUT,
YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A WAY TO GET THESE SEAWALLS IN AND HELP PROVIDE THAT RESILIENCY TO OUR COMMUNITY,
I'M ALL FOR IT. 
          AND I'LL I'LL GO ALONG WITH THE THE WILL OF COUNCIL ON THIS. 
          BUT THAT'S MY ONLY ASK. LET'S DO IT RIGHT AND GET IT UP TO THE RIGHT HEIGHT AND AND ALL
THAT GOOD STUFF. 
          THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER KRISEMAN. SO I LET ME JUST I WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE THIS
STRAIGHT. 
          UNDER THE PROPOSAL, I'LL CALL IT YOUR PROPOSAL. 
          32ND WOULD BECOME WE WOULD ADD THE MIDDLE SEAWALL AT,
AT AN APPROPRIATE HEIGHT TO BE DETERMINED. AND THERE AND IT WOULD BE A A PUBLIC BEACH ACCESS SITE. 
          SO THERE WOULD BE IT WOULD BE DESIGNED SO THAT INDIVIDUALS WALKING COULD CROSS THE SEAWALL
SAFELY AND GO DOWN TO THE BEACH, AND THERE WOULD BE BEACH PARKING ALONGSIDE THE ROAD IN THE RIGHT OF WAY BETWEEN GORDON AND
AND THE WATER. 
          CORRECT. YOU'RE CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN 33RD WOULD BECOME THE ACCESS POINT FOR BOTH
ONGOING CITY MAINTENANCE OF THE BEACH AND THE PERIODIC COUNTY BEACH RENOURISHMENT WHEN THAT OCCURRED IN THAT SECTION OF
THE BEACH. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. AND WOULD IT ALSO BE WITH 33RD? ALSO PROVIDE FOR BEACH PARKING AND VISITOR, RESIDENT AND VISITOR ACCESS TO THE BEACH? YES, SIR. SO PEOPLE COULD PEOPLE COULD WALK ONTO THE BEACH ON 33RD TO. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND AND THEN FINALLY, IF WE GIVE YOU THE GREEN LIGHT ON THIS,
WHAT I'VE JUST SAID YOU'LL BRING BACK AT SOME POINT MORE THE FINAL DETAILS AS TO WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE FOR OUR APPROVAL. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. INCLUDING THE HEIGHT OF THE SEAWALL. 
          EVERYTHING ELSE. OKAY. I'M FINE WITH IT. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS? KRAMER. AND THEN, AND JUST TO CLARIFY, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CONNECTING TWO SEAWALLS THAT
ALREADY EXISTS THAT ARE AT A HEIGHT THAT WE LIKE, WHICH MAKES US MORE RESILIENT. IT ELIMINATES ONE FUNNEL,
ONE ACCELERANT OF WATER INTO OUR CITY. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. CORRECT. OKAY, SO THAT'S A GOOD THING. 
          THANK YOU. AND WE AIN'T PAYING FOR IT ALSO. CORRECT. 
          THAT'S THE EXTRA GOOD THING. THANK YOU. PETRINO. 
          ON 32ND AND 33RD DO THE NUMBER OF PUBLIC PARKING SPOTS CHANGE AT ALL FOR THOSE TWO
STREETS? NO. NO. SO THEY WILL BE THE SAME. NOW, THE ONE ON 33RD. 
          WE MAY HAVE TO MODIFY THAT SOME TO. BECAUSE IF WE HAVE THE AREA WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO
ACCESS THE BEACH, YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE TO MARK IT SOMEHOW. THEN AGAIN IT'S GOING TO BE USED BASICALLY. 
          HOWEVER OFTEN THEY GO DOWN THERE, IF IT COULD BE CONED OFF TO ALLOW THEIR ACCESS OR THE
CITY'S ACCESS. 
          YEAH. THAT WOULD THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE ONE THING THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN. 
          WE TRY TO KIND OF COORDINATE THAT AND WE WOULD LOOK AT THE PARKING,
BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY A ZONED OUT AREA THAT EXISTS THAT SOME OF THOSE ACCESSES. 
          AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE,
YOU CAN SEE A ZONED OUT AREA ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE. 
          IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SEE, BUT I CAN SEE LIKE THE,
THE YELLOW, BUT YEAH. 
          SORRY. ANYWAYS, THE SO WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT,
BUT WE COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK AT LOSING A PARKING SPOT IF THAT'S NOT THE CASE, BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO ZONE THAT OUT TO ALLOW FOR ON AND OFF. 
          AND IT WOULD BE HARD TO TIME IT BECAUSE WHEN WHEN YOUR EMERGENCY PERSONNEL GO ON AND OFF,
IT'S A LOT LESS UNPREDICTABLE THAN WHEN MY MAINTENANCE STAFF GOES ON AND OFF. I KNOW THE MAINTENANCE STAFF KNOWS WE'RE GOING OUT ON THE BEACH ON
THIS DAY AT THIS TIME. 
          AND BUT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN WITH THE EMERGENCY PERSONNEL. 
          OKAY, SO IF I'M HEARING YOU, THERE'LL BE NO THERE WILL BE NO CHANGE IN PARKING,
THE NUMBER OF SLOTS, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MAYBE ONE PARKING SPOT THAT YOU MAY HAVE TO ZONE STRIPE BECAUSE OF
USE OF MAINTENANCE. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE ON 32ND, 33RD, 33RD. OKAY,
OKAY. 
          AND BUT AND THEN THE SAME TOKEN, THE 32ND, WHEN IT'S REDESIGNED AS YOU PRESENTLY HAVE A
SPACE NOW WHERE THEY GO THROUGH THERE AS WELL, 
          [07:30:08]
SO IT WILL BE MINIMAL AT BEST. THE HOPE WOULD BE IS THAT IT'S A NET NET AND YOU DON'T END
UP WITH ANY. 
          OKAY, GREAT. AND THEN IS THERE ANY MECHANICAL ENGINEERING ISSUE THAT ON CONNECTING THESE
SEAWALLS THAT WOULD WEAKEN THE SEAWALL THAT WE ARE PLANNING? THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE IN FRONT OF THE ROAD. 
          FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THE WAY IT'S DESIGNED,
IF THEY'RE CONNECTED, THEY'RE CONNECTED, BUT THEY'RE INDIVIDUAL THERE, THERE'S A TIEBACKS PERPENDICULAR TO THE SEAWALL TO RESTRICT THE FORCES FROM COMING AT IT FROM THE GULF. BUT THERE WILL BE SOME INCORPORATION AND AND COORDINATION BETWEEN THE
SEAWALLS ON THE NORTH AND THE SOUTH. 
          SO IF I'M HEARING YOU, YOU'RE THIS THIS PROPOSAL TYING IT TOGETHER WOULD PREVENT FLOODING
IN THE IN THAT CENTER ZONE, AND IT WOULD NOT WEAKEN ANYTHING THAT WE BUILD IN FRONT OF THE ROAD BECAUSE OF TIE BACKS. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. HAD THE ONES THAT THE FIVE YOU KNOW,
THAT WE'VE REDONE. 
          HAD THEY BEEN BUILT PROPERLY THEN THEY WOULD HAVE KEPT THE WATER,
REDUCED THE VELOCITY ACROSS THE BEACH END. 
          THAT TORE EVERYTHING UP. SO IF WE CAN REDUCE THAT VELOCITY AND SOME OF THE VOLUME OF
WATER, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. THIS SEEMS LIKE A UNLESS I'M MISSING SOMETHING,
LIKE A COMPLETE NO BRAINER. 
          HERE WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT IT. YEAH. SO I GUESS IF WE'RE READY TO MAKE A MOTION OR. 
          WELL, WE DON'T MAKE MOTIONS, BUT I THINK THAT THIS IS A GOOD IDEA. 
          SO I FOR ONE, WOULD BE SUPPORTIVE OF CONTINUING THIS. 
          DO I HAVE A CONSENSUS? YES YOU DO. OKAY. I STILL FEEL THERE NEEDS TO BE DETAIL AND
UNDERSTANDING THIS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S TO THE SOUTH OF 33RD. 
          IT'S VERY VAGUE TO ME, BUT THAT WILL BE PART OF WHAT WE BRING BACK. 
          I JUST NEEDED TO HAVE CONSENSUS AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANTED ME TO MOVE FORWARD OR DROP
IT COMPLETELY. 
          IT WAS PERFECTLY FINE WITH STAFF ONE WAY OR THE OTHER,
BUT THIS NEEDED TO TAKE PLACE BEFORE WE SPEND ANY DUE DILIGENCE TIME ON IT. 
          AND WE ALSO HAD ASKED THE NUMBER OF SEAWALLS THAT HAD BEEN DEVELOPED BE THAT WAS NORTH OF THE NAPLES THE PORT ROYAL CLUB. I THINK THAT WAS A QUESTION THAT WAS ASKED IN THE
RESILIENCY MEETING TO HAVE A REPORT BACK IS HOW MANY WERE CONSTRUCTED, AND I'M NOT SURE IF WE REPORTED BACK OR NOT. 
          SO WE'LL WANT TO TAKE THAT UNDER ADVISEMENT IF THOSE HAVE BEEN ALSO. 
          THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME MA'AM. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          THAT CONCLUDES SEVEN B GO TO SEVEN C THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          [7.C) A Discussion and Direction on Safety Barriers at Cambier Park and Public Streets to Enhance Security for Public Usage and Special Events.  ]
SO AS YOU KNOW, WE HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT BOLLARDS AND SECURITY. 
          AND AS IT RELATES TO CAMBIER PARK ON THE STREET,
AND WE'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS IN THIS AREA. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS, YOU KNOW, JUST TO GIVE YOU A FLAVOR,
WE WANTED TO BRING IT BACK SOONER RATHER THAN LATER, JUST TO GIVE YOU A FLAVOR OF THE TYPES OF BOLLARDS THAT ARE THERE. 
          AND REALLY, IT'S GOING TO COME TO A PRIORITIZATION. 
          AND I THINK THAT IF WE CAN TRY TO SPLIT IT INTO THREE SEPARATE CONVERSATIONS,
I THINK IT WOULD BE IDEAL. 
          AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS WE HAVE THE CAMBIER PARK YOU'RE GOING TO SEE,
YOU KNOW, YOU'VE SEEN A LITTLE BIT UNDER THE CRA WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A BRIEF DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT. 
          DO YOU WANT US TO BRING IT BACK? IS IT SOMETHING WE DO WHEN WE BRING THE PLAYGROUND AND
HAVE THAT DESIGNED FOR THAT? THE OTHER PART WOULD BE IS WE HAVE THE FIFTH AVE,
WHICH, AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO A REDESIGN ON FIFTH AVE, SO IT MIGHT BE A BETTER TIME TO HAVE THAT DESIGNED IN A DEEPER DISCUSSION,
BUT AT LEAST YOU CAN HAVE IT NOW AS WELL. 
          AND THEN ALSO THE THIRD STREET WHERE WE TALKED ABOUT EVENTS THAT WERE THERE,
AND MAYBE THERE'S ROOM THERE FOR SOME OF THESE, SOME OF THE PICTURES YOU'LL SEE WHERE IT'S LIKE A PILOT PROGRAM WHERE IT'S NOT UNDER THE
GROUND, BUT IT CAN BE PUT ON THE SURFACE OF IT. SO WE HAVE A WAY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO
LONG TERM. 
          BUT I'LL JUST OPEN IT UP THAT WAY, BECAUSE I THINK IF WE KEEP THE DISCUSSIONS IN THAT KIND
OF REALM AS TO GIVING US GUIDANCE, YES, WE WANT TO SEE A PLAN COME BACK. WE WANT TO DO THIS AS A PILOT OR AND OR YES,
DESIGN THAT IN THE FIFTH. 
          BUT NOT DUE TO PILOTS AT THE SAME TIME IS KIND OF MY THOUGHT. 
          SO I'LL OPEN IT UP NOW FOR STAFF'S DISCUSSION. 
          AND LIEUTENANT O'REILLY'S HERE WITH CHAD TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. 
          SO THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON,
CHAD MERRITT, COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR. 
          SO I'VE GOT A LITTLE PRESENTATION AND JUST TO KIND OF,
I DON'T HAVE TO SIT HERE AND TELL YOU WHAT CAMBIER PARK IS USED FOR, BUT I WILL AT LEAST SAY THAT THIS IS A PARK THAT'S DESIGNED WITH VARIOUS ACTIVITIES. 
          [07:35:06]
BUT A LOT OF THE SPECIAL EVENT USE OR RENTALS INCLUDES ART SHOWS,
CONCERTS, LIVE MUSIC WALKING, RUNNING EVENTS, FESTIVALS, SCHOOL EVENTS, AS WELL AS RELIGIOUS EVENTS. 
          THAT LIST CONTINUES TO GO ON. WE HAVE ABOUT 125 EVENTS PER YEAR AT THIS LOCATION. 
          THE EVENT SPACE IS APPROXIMATELY 50,000FT². THAT'S THE OPEN SPACE IN FRONT OF THE
BANDSHELL THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE SOFTBALL FIELD CHARACTERISTICS. RIGHT NOW, THERE'S NO CONTROL POINTS ON THE OPEN SPACE THAT ARE WHICH IS
ADJACENT TO THE PARKING AND STREETS IN DOWNTOWN. 
          THE PLAYGROUND IS BESIDE THE OPEN SPACE USE FOR EVENTS. 
          BANDSHELL IS LOCATED ON THE EDGE OF THE STREET. 
          YOU'VE GOT 12 TENNIS COURTS LOCATED IN THERE WITH SOFTBALL FIELD A COMMUNITY CENTER AND
SOME OTHER PARK AMENITIES. 
          SHIFTING OVER TO THE PUBLIC STREETS, THE PUBLIC STREETS AND INCLUDES THIRD AND FIFTH WELL, THIRD STREET AND THEN FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH. AND THE TYPES OF EVENTS THEY HAVE IS ALSO
FESTIVALS, WALKING EVENTS, RUNNING EVENTS, FARMER'S MARKET,
FARMER'S MARKET, ART SHOWS, CAR SHOWS HOLIDAY EVENTS, PARADES, AND A LOT MORE. SO WHAT THEY HAVE IN COMMON IS THEY HAVE THE SAME SAFETY CONCERNS
WHEN YOU HAVE LARGE CROWDS. OBVIOUSLY THE HISTORY OF BAD ACTORS CONTINUES TO INCREASE. 
          WE SEE IT IN THE NEWS MORE FREQUENTLY THAN THAN I CARE TO SEE IT. 
          IT'S IT'S SCARY FROM OUR SIDE, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT ARE MANAGING THESE FACILITIES. 
          AND YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW, ROAD CLOSURES ARE NEEDED IN ORDER FOR SOME OF THESE EVENTS TO BE
SAFE. 
          THAT THAT KEEPS ANY AND UNDERSTAND ACCIDENTAL AND PURPOSEFUL. 
          THAT'S THAT'S A CONCERN. SO IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE BAD ACTORS. 
          IT'S WHAT HAPPENS IF MY FOOT SLIPS OFF THE BRAKE. 
          THAT TYPE OF SITUATION. HERE'S A LIST OF SOME OF THE RECENT OCCURRENCES DATING BACK TO
2021. 
          I'M SURE THERE'S MORE THAN THAT. THAT WAS JUST A QUICK SEARCH THAT PULLED UP A LIST OF OF
THESE. 
          AND SOME OF SOME OF THEM WERE FAMILIAR WITH THIS IS A BIG CONCERN,
AND I'M GOING TO GUESS THAT EACH ONE OF THESE CITIES AND TOWNS PROBABLY SAID THE SAME THING,
THAT IT CAN'T HAPPEN IN OUR CITY. 
          AND THAT'S THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE THAT MINDSET. 
          SO CAMBIER PARK SOME ENHANCEMENTS THAT THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT,
OBVIOUSLY AT A LATER DATE, I AM LISTING THESE DON'T, DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT,
BUT ARE REDUCING THE MAXIMUM CROWD. 
          UPDATE TO THE MANUAL THAT WOULD HELP WITH SOME OF THE SAFETY ENHANCEMENT. 
          ROAD CLOSURES ARE CURRENTLY WHAT WE'RE HAVING TO DO. 
          ESTABLISHING STANDARDS AND BARRICADES, WHICH PD HAS DONE WITH THE THE ARCHERS AND SOME OF
THE REQUIREMENTS THAT THEY HAVE, INCREASING POLICE PRESENCE AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF A PROPER SECURITY PLAN. 
          AND THEN WHAT WE HAVE TODAY IN OUR DISCUSSION IS INSTALLATION OF SAFETY BARRIERS. 
          AND I CALL THEM SAFETY BARRIERS BECAUSE THEY COULD BE BOLLARDS,
THEY COULD BE PLANTERS, THEY COULD BE SHORT WALLS. 
          WHATEVER IT IS WE DECIDE WE WANT TO GO IN. LAYOUT PROPOSED FOR CAMBIER PARK. 
          IF YOU SEE HERE, THIS KIND OF SHOWS A LAYOUT AND THE AREAS THAT COULD POTENTIALLY A
VEHICLE COULD ENTER OR UNWANTED WHATEVER. IT'S A MOTORIZED VEHICLE ON THE BACKSIDE. 
          YOU SEE, THERE'S A COUPLE HERE AND THERE. OBVIOUSLY,
THIS IS NOT TO SCALE. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT BASED ON FOUR FEET BETWEEN. 
          IT'S SOMEWHERE AROUND 254 IS WHAT WE'RE ESTIMATING. 
          THAT IS A ESTIMATED COST OF 800 TO $1 MILLION,
DEPENDING ON WHAT WE SELECT AND WHAT DIRECTION WE GO IN. 
          OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE GOING TO WANT THIS TO BE DESIGNED BY ENGINEER. 
          WE'RE ALSO GOING TO WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE INSTALL IS A VEHICLE STOPPING. 
          WE DON'T WANT IT TO JUST BE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE IT'S SAFE,
BUT A VEHICLE HITS IT AND IT DOESN'T STOP THEM. 
          THIS IS RATED FOR STOPPING A BOX TRUCK AT 30MPH. 
          THAT'S THE GOAL. THEN YOU LOOK AT THE PUBLIC STREETS AND WHAT WE'VE DONE WITH THAT. 
          THAT'S THE ARCHERS AND THE BARRICADES. AND THEN WE'VE GOT ROAD CLOSURES THAT WE'RE HAVING
TO HAVE DUMP TRUCKS AND WE'RE PUTTING TRASH TRUCKS AND WHATEVER ELSE WE CAN DO TO PUT IN IN THE WAY. 
          JUST TO STOP SOMEBODY FROM ENTERING AS WELL AS THE MERIDIANS. 
          SO THAT TALKS ABOUT FROM WHEN YOU LOOK AT PUBLIC STREETS,
WE WANT TO LOOK AT INSTALLING BOLLARDS AND REMOVABLE OR RETRACTABLE. 
          [07:40:04]
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE. THE REMOVABLE OBVIOUSLY IS ONES THAT CAN REMOVE
THE RETRACTABLE ONES. 
          THEY LOOK COOL. VERY EASY BECAUSE YOU CAN GO,
BUT YOU HAVE AN ELECTRICAL COMPONENT THAT'S INVOLVED WITH THAT. 
          THEN YOU HAVE UNFORTUNATELY, WHEN A STORM COMES IN AND YOU HAVE STORM SURGE COME IN,
WHAT DOES IT DO TO THAT UP UNDERNEATH GROUND NOW IN A CITY THAT DOESN'T HAVE SALT WATER INTRUSION,
THAT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT EASIER. 
          SO THAT'S WHY, IN MY OPINION, IF WE GO THIS DIRECTION IT WOULD BE THE REMOVABLE BOLLARDS. 
          SO SAFETY BARRIERS WHY SAFETY BARRIERS TO PREVENT VEHICLES FROM ENTERING. 
          WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT. ESTHETICALLY PLEASING OPTIONS. THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT
OPTIONS THAT WE CAN SELECT. 
          AGAIN, YOU CAN GO PLANNERS, YOU CAN GO BOLLARDS,
YOU CAN GO WALLS. 
          IT DOES ALLOW PEDESTRIANS TO MOVE IN AND OUT OF THE SPACE WITHOUT INTRUSION INSTEAD OF ONE
FINAL POINT. 
          SOMETIMES THAT CAN BE A SECURITY ISSUE ON ITS OWN. 
          THERE'S AGAIN MULTIPLE STYLES TO CHOOSE FROM,
AND IT DOES REDUCE THE NEED FOR STREET CLOSURES, WHICH IS MAIN FOCUS FOR US. AND WHEN IT COMES TO TRAFFIC,
AS WELL AS IF YOU'RE TRYING TO KILL TWO BIRDS, ONE STONE YOU WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO REDUCE TRAFFIC,
INCREASE SAFETY. 
          THAT'S IDEAL. SO I'M GOING TO DEMONSTRATE I'M NOT I'M NOT IN THAT TRUCK,
BY THE WAY. 
          SO I'M GOING TO LET WHOEVER LET'S SEE IF DAVID,
YOU MIGHT HAVE TO HELP ME HERE. 
          I'M CLICKING. BUT. MAYBE. 
          OH, THERE IT GOES. SO, AS YOU SEE, THIS IS NOT THE EXACT ONES THAT WE WOULD USE,
BUT THIS IS THE OUTCOME THAT WE WOULD WANT IF THIS SITUATION HAPPENED. WE DON'T WANT THIS VEHICLE TO ENTER INTO A CROWD
FULL OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE. 
          SO IF YOU IF YOU REMEMBER A CONVERSATION ABOUT THE MERIDIANS. 
          THE MERIDIANS HAVE THERE'S A BUFFER OF ABOUT 45FT. 
          SO THIS THING HITS A MERIDIAN. IT GOES FOR 45FT. 
          THIS THING HITS ONE OF THESE. IT WAS INSTANT. 
          SO THAT THAT'S THE THE GOAL IS YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS DOESN'T ENTER IN
ANY PORTION OF A SPECIAL EVENT OR A IN THIS CASE WE TALK ABOUT SPECIAL EVENTS. AND AS I TALKED BEFORE, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT SPECIAL EVENTS. 
          THIS IS EVERYDAY USAGE WHEN IT COMES TO THE PARK. 
          YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY IN SOMEBODY ACCIDENTALLY HITS THE THE GAS AND ACCELERATES INTO THE
PARK. 
          IT MAY NOT BE SOMETHING THAT THEY DID ON PURPOSE,
BUT WE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS DOESN'T OCCUR. 
          SO TYPES OF SECURITY, BACK TYPES OF SECURITY BARRIERS PLANNERS,
WALLS, BOLLARDS. 
          YOU CAN GET LIGHTED CONCRETE, METAL, RETRACTABLE,
REMOVABLE, DECORATIVE MULTI SHAPES AND SIZES. 
          SO HERE'S SOME EXAMPLES OF THOSE. SO HERE'S THE PLANNER. 
          HERE'S A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT OPTIONS THAT YOU HAVE THERE WHERE YOU CAN PUT PLANNERS IN. 
          THESE ARE HEAVY ENOUGH AND RATED TO BE ABLE TO STOP A VEHICLE. 
          THEN YOU HAVE THE MORE I ALMOST CALL THEM MODERNIZED. 
          THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE AT BAKER PARK. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, THERE ARE THESE HAVE LIGHTS AND SO ON. 
          THEN YOU'VE GOT AN EXAMPLE WHERE THEY'VE DONE BOTH,
WHERE YOU HAVE THE PLANTERS, AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE SOME OF THE BOLLARDS MIXED IN. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALSO ANOTHER OPTION IF YOU WANT TO BREAK UP THE THE MONOTONY OF
SEEING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER. 
          THEN YOU HAVE SOME EXAMPLES OF THESE THAT EXIST IN STREETS. 
          SO THE ONES THAT YOU SEE HERE ARE REMOVABLE,
AND YOU CAN SEE STAFF IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT WHO ARE GOING IN AND INSTALLING THESE. 
          WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT INSTALLING THEM, IT ONLY TAKES TWO PEOPLE VERSUS YOU LOOK AT A
MERIDIAN THAT WEIGHS, WHAT IS IT, 800 POUNDS, 800 POUNDS, WHICH TAKES MULTIPLE PEOPLE TO INSTALL. 
          THE FACT THAT I CAN SEND 1 OR 2 GUYS OVER HERE TO MAKE THIS INSTALLATION IS IS BETTER FOR
BOTH SIDES. 
          HERE'S THE RETRACTABLE ONES. AGAIN, NOT SOMETHING THAT I WOULD SAY WOULD WORK HERE. 
          SUPER COOL. WOULD BE GREAT TO BE ABLE TO HIT A BUTTON. I CAN IMAGINE THOUGH,
YOU HIT THE BUTTON AND THEY DON'T COME UP OR GO DOWN. 
          THEN YOU GOT A HEADACHE. BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE END OF THAT DISCUSSION. 
          BUT IF I'VE GOT LIEUTENANT O'REILLY HERE, IF HE WANTS TO ADD ANYTHING THAT I MISSED. 
          [07:45:02]
LIEUTENANT MICHAEL O'REILLY, NAPLES POLICE DEPARTMENT,
THE THE DISTINCTION WE WANT TO MAKE HERE IS OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE BOLLARDS OR BARRICADES ON OUR STREETS RIGHT NOW. OUR STREETS ARE NOT EVENT SPACES UNTIL WE HAVE A SPECIAL EVENT
WHERE WE HAVE THE LONG TABLE EVENT ON FIFTH AVENUE, SAY, OR THE TREE LIGHTING ON THIRD. WE MAKE THAT AN EVENT SPACE BY ESSENTIALLY CLOSING IT
OFF TO ACCESS TO VEHICLES. 
          THE BOLLARDS PLACED IN THOSE LOCATIONS WOULD ESSENTIALLY DO THAT. 
          WHAT WE WANT TO DO WITH CAMBIER PARK. CAMBIER HAS BECOME AN EVENT SPACE. 
          IN THE NEXT THREE MONTHS, WE HAVE 32 PERMITTED EVENTS GOING ON IN CAMBIER PARK ALONE RIGHT
NOW. 
          THERE'S NO MITIGATION TO STOP VEHICLE INTRUSIONS. 
          THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TAKEN THIS LATEST MEASURE OF CLOSING THE STREETS AROUND IT TO MAKE SURE
VEHICLES CAN'T GO IN. 
          SO THE IDEA IS, IF IT'S AN EVENT SPACE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PEDESTRIANS ACCESSIBLE TO
VEHICLES, WE HAVE TO TAKE THE STEPS NECESSARY TO PREVENT THAT KIND OF ACCESS TO THE BEST OF OUR
ABILITIES. 
          NOTHING IS 100% SAFE, BUT THESE ARE REASONABLE MITIGATIONS THAT WE CAN PUT IN PLACE. 
          THANK YOU. I'M I'M ALL FOR IT. I THINK A GOOD PLAN OF HAVING BOLLARDS AND PLANTERS
STRATEGICALLY IS FANTASTIC. I WILL WE'RE LOOKING AT CAMBIER PARK AND SOME OPTIONS FOR THIRD. 
          WILL WE BE LOOKING AT ALL OF OUR PARKS AND OR HAVE WE ASSESSED THAT THIS PARTICULAR ONE. 
          WE'RE LOOKING CAMBIER PARK AND THEN FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH AND THIRD STREET SOUTH DISTRICTS,
WHICH IS WHERE THE PRIMARY MOST OF THE EVENTS TAKE PLACE. 
          WE DO HAVE BOLLARDS CURRENTLY IN BAKER PARK,
BUT FLEISHMAN PARK IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE YOU GOT THE FENCED IN AREA. 
          FENCE DOESN'T STOP VEHICLES. WE'VE SEEN THAT FIRSTHAND,
BUT THE WE DO HAVE A LOT MORE AMENITIES THAT THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THERE, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD NEED TO LOOK AT IF THIS WORKS WELL FOR ONE. 
          OKAY, I HAVE KRAMER. QUICK. LIEUTENANT. I'M ASSUMING YOU KNOW THE BOLLARDS. 
          WE CAN'T DO THIS. ONES LIKE THEY HAVE BY THE WHITE HOUSE. 
          THEY GO IN THE GROUND JUST BECAUSE OF OUR SITTING ON SAND,
AND WE GET STORM SURGE. 
          SO I GET THAT. BUT THE ONES THAT WILL BE REMOVABLE,
WOULD YOU HAVE A DIFFERENT ACCESS POINT FOR FOR FAST RESPONSE TEAM WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT TAKING SOMETHING OUT? MOST LIKELY WE WOULD I WOULD ACTUALLY,
YOU KNOW WHAT? I'M GOING TO LET LIEUTENANT O'REILLY TALK. I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY I EVEN TRY. SO THE WAY WE
WE SET UP THE PLANS FOR THOSE IS WE DO HAVE ACCESS POINTS. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, LET'S USE CAMBIER PARK. WE KNOW WHERE THE ACCESS POINT FOR CAMBIER PARK WOULD
BE WITH REMOVABLE BOLLARDS AND WITH EVERYTHING ELSE BEING FIXED. 
          THAT WOULD BE A POSTED POSITION WHERE AN OFFICER IS STAFFED THE ENTIRE TIME FOR SECURITY
PURPOSES, BUT ALSO TO ENSURE THAT EMERGENCY ACCESS NO DIFFERENT THAN ON THE STREETS BETWEEN THE
ARCHERS OR THE OR THE NEW MV THREE X SYSTEMS THAT'S BEING USED. 
          WE'VE BEEN TRAINED OR WE HAVE THE TRAINING TO MOVE THOSE IF NEED BE IN AN EMERGENCY. 
          AND AT THE DEDICATED ACCESS POINTS, THE OFFICER WOULD BE THERE WITH THE EQUIPMENT TO MOVE
IT. 
          IF WE NEED EMERGENCY ACCESS. WE KNOW FIRE TRUCKS ARE ON THEIR WAY,
OR AN AMBULANCE IS ON THE WAY, AND WE'RE PRE-STAGED AND READY. AS SOON AS WE SEE THAT TRUCK,
WE MOVE THE BARRICADES OUT OF THE WAY. 
          THAT WAS MY ASSUMPTION. I JUST WANTED TO GET IT ON THE RECORD. AND THEN THE OTHER THING,
THOUGH, SO THE THE FLOWER PLANTERS THAT YOU SHOWED RIGHT THERE, THOSE THINGS CAN DO THE SAME THING AS WHAT WE SAW IN THE VIDEO. 
          YEAH. I MEAN, IF YOU HIT THAT IT'S NOT GOING VERY FAR. 
          AND IT REALLY DEPENDS ON ON WHAT CONSTRUCTION YOU MAKE. 
          THEY ARE MEANT TO BE I MEAN, THEY'RE JUST A BIG BOULDER,
IS WHAT THEY ARE. 
          IF YOU LOOKED AT THE ONES, LIKE, IN FRONT OF TARGET. 
          YEAH, I SEEN THAT. YOU HIT ONE OF THOSE AND YOU'RE GOING TO. 
          I JUST WANTED TO VERIFY THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S AWESOME. 
          IF THEY CAN LOOK THAT COOL AND STILL DO THAT KIND OF DAMAGE,
THAT'D BE AWESOME. THANKS. 
          I HAVE CHRIS AND THE VICE MAYOR. SO? SO I HAVE A NUMBER OF QUESTIONS. 
          AND ON THIS, THE YOU KNOW, WHEN WE GET INTO THESE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT SECURITY AND SAFETY WHO CAN BE AGAINST IT, RIGHT? BUT IT WE HAVE TO ASK SOME QUESTIONS IN, IN IN ORDER TO PROVIDE SOME CONTEXT AND BALANCE
HERE. 
          FIRST OF ALL LET'S START WITH CAMBIER PARK. YOU KNOW,
THIS PAST WEEK, I HAPPENED TO BE UP IN NEW YORK CITY FOR A FEW DAYS VISITING FAMILY, AND I AMONG OTHER THINGS,
WAS WALKING AROUND CENTRAL PARK UP FIFTH AVENUE AND BACK DOWN CENTRAL PARK WEST. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY IT'S A MUCH BIGGER CITY AND A MUCH BIGGER PARK. 
          BUT CAMBIER IS OUR CENTRAL PARK, AND WE'RE ALL,
WE JUST DECIDED WE'RE GOING TO SPEND, WHAT, 
          [07:50:04]
2 TO $3 MILLION TO BUILD A NEW PLAYGROUND, RIGHT? AND THESE BOLLARDS HAVE AN ESTIMATED COST OF ANOTHER MILLION. 
          AND SHOULD WE BE THINKING MAYBE BIGGER, BUT ALSO MORE CREATIVELY HERE IF WE WANT A BARRIER
AROUND PARTS OF CAMBIER PARK. MAYBE WE WANT TO BUILD A LOW WALL. 
          THAT'S REALLY A VERY LOVELY, ESTHETICALLY ATTRACTIVE WALL. 
          THAT WOULD BE. AND I GOT THE I GOT THINKING ABOUT IT BECAUSE ALONG PARTS OF FIFTH AVENUE
AND CENTRAL PARK WEST RIGHT THERE, THAT'S WHAT YOU HAVE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, 150 YEARS OLD OR SOMETHING. 
          BUT AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS OUR CENTRAL PARK AND BEER AND I THINK ABOUT WE'RE JUST GOING TO
PUT A BUNCH OF BOLLARDS IN, OR COULD WE DO SOMETHING? AS I SAY, MORE CREATIVE AND ESTHETICALLY PLEASING,
THAT WOULD HAVE THE SAME AND ALSO MORE INVITING AND WELCOMING TO THE PUBLIC WITH SMALL ENTRANCES, APPROPRIATELY,
BUT WHERE PEOPLE DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE YOU'RE ESTABLISHING THIS INVITING BARRIERS TO A PUBLIC PARK. LAST THING YOU WANT TO DO AND AND AND COULD SOMETHING LIKE THAT BE
CONTEMPLATED, DESIGNED AND STILL HAVE THE SAME IMPACT RESISTANCE,
RIGHT. 
          AND SAME SECURITY BENEFITS THAT BOWLERS WOULD HAVE? SO WHETHER THAT IDEA HAS MERIT OR NOT, MAYBE THERE ARE OTHER SIMILAR IDEAS,
BUT SHOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING CAMBIER PARK. SHOULDN'T WE BE REALLY THINKING BIGGER AND
MORE CREATIVELY ABOUT HOW WE WANT TO HANDLE THIS? SO THAT WE CAN REALLY CONTINUE TO ASPIRE TO HAVE,
YOU KNOW, A GREAT NAPLES CENTRAL PARK. 
          SO THAT'S MY FIRST COMMENT. OUR QUESTION THE THE SECOND QUESTION IS IF WE'RE IF WE IF WE'RE DOING THIS ON CENTRAL AND ON CAMBIER PARK ONE WAY OR ANOTHER,
DOES THAT REMOVE FOR ALL EVENTS THE AT LEAST A PORTION, A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE COST. 
          WE ARE NOW PASSING ON TO EVENT ORGANIZERS AS IT RELATES TO ROAD CLOSINGS AND SECURITY. 
          THAT IS GOING TO BE THAT IS REQUIRED IN THAT THEY ARE BEING ASKED TO PAY FOR,
AT LEAST IN PART. 
          THAT'S A QUESTION. I'LL TAKE THE FIRST ONE FIRST. 
          THE LOW WALL IDEA IS GREAT. THE BOLLARDS EVERY FOUR FEET. 
          IS THE NONCREATIVE POLICE OFFICER RESPONSE. I,
MY WIFE, WILL TELL YOU I'M NOT ARTISTIC. 
          AND COMING UP WITH CREATIVE IDEAS IS NOT MY THING. 
          BUT I CAN DEFINITELY TELL YOU, YOU PUT UP A SIX FOOT WALL WITH BARBED WIRE. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO STOP EVERYBODY. BUT THAT'S NOT QUITE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. A LOW WALL
THAT IS RATED CRASH RATED TO STOP A TRUCK. 
          PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE. I THINK IT WOULD BE GREAT. MAYBE EVEN INTERSPERSE A WALL WITH
PLANTERS WITH THE REMOVABLE BOLLARDS WHERE WE NEED VEHICLE ACCESS. 
          ANY OF THOSE IS GREAT, AS LONG AS IT FALLS WITHIN THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM DEPARTMENT OF
HOMELAND SECURITY FOR MITIGATING THAT RISK. 
          AND THE WALLS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WOULD DO THAT. AND THIS MAY JUST ADD TO IT,
BECAUSE I ALSO WANTED TO SUGGEST THAT PRESUMABLY CITIES LARGE AND SMALL ARE HAVING THE SAME DISCUSSION ALL ACROSS AMERICA. 
          RIGHT. AND YOU KNOW, THE PARKS COMMUNITY HAS TO BE HAVING THAT DISCUSSION THROUGH THE
NATIONAL PARKS AND RECREATION ASSOCIATION CHAT. AND, YOU KNOW, I WOULD REALLY BEFORE I WOULD SIGN ON TO
ANYTHING, REALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT YOUR RESEARCH SHOULD TURN UP IN TERMS OF CREATIVE EXAMPLES
FROM AROUND THE COUNTRY, LIKE THE ONE I MENTIONED, BUT PERHAPS OTHER ONES ALSO,
BECAUSE AGAIN, WE'RE NOT LOOKING. 
          I'M NOT LOOKING ANYWAY, TO CREATE UGLY UNINVITING BARRIERS TO OUR PARKS. 
          IT'S THE ABSOLUTE OPPOSITE OF WHAT A PARK IS ALL ABOUT,
RIGHT? PUBLIC PARK IS ABOUT SO I JUST HAD THAT THOUGHT AS WELL. 
          AND I'LL JUST KIND OF ADD TO, YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE WE SAID IN THIS LAST ITEM,
OBVIOUSLY THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING OF A CONVERSATION. 
          AND IF THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE MOVE IN, WHAT OUR GOAL WOULD BE IS WHAT I THINK WOULD BE
THE APPROPRIATE ACTION IS TO ENGAGE WITH SOME KIND OF ENGINEER ARCHITECT TO BE ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER A DESIGN FOR THIS SO WE CAN SEE WHAT
WE'RE LOOKING AT, SEE WHAT THE OPTIONS ARE COME UP WITH. YOU KNOW WHAT? THEN WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT. AT LEAST WE GET AN OPC FROM THE ARCHITECT OR THE ENGINEER TO BE
ABLE TO DETERMINE WHAT OUR COST ACTUALS ARE, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST WE'RE WE'RE BALLPARK BALLPARKING I GET THAT? 
          [07:55:05]
I'M I'M JUST TRYING TO SAY, I THINK FROM MY STANDPOINT BEFORE I,
YOU KNOW, WOULD SIGN ON TO ANYTHING, I'D LIKE TO SEE US DO THIS ADDITIONAL RESEARCHING AND BRAINSTORMING ON DIFFERENT IDEAS. 
          AND WHAT ABOUT MY QUESTION ABOUT HOW THIS WOULD FREE UP OTHER COSTS THAT WERE NOW
ABSORBING, OR EVENT SPONSORS ARE ABSORBING IN LIEU OF THE OF THE PROTECTION ON THE PARK. 
          SO WE LOOK AT THE SECURITY COSTS. THERE'S TWO DIFFERENT ONES. 
          THERE'S THE PERIMETER BARRIER SECURITY WHICH YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT AND THEN THE INTERNAL
SECURITY. THIS WOULD NOT CHANGE THE INTERNAL SECURITY COSTS, BUT IT WOULD DEFINITELY AT LEAST REDUCE IF NOT COMPLETELY REMOVE THE PERIMETER SECURITY
COSTS, FOR EXAMPLE, CAMBIER PARK. FOR THE LARGER EVENTS,
WE CLOSE ALL THREE STREETS PARK STREET, CAMPBELL PARKWAY AND EIGHTH STREET AT A COST OF A MINIMUM OF $2,500 PER EVENT. 
          THAT'S IF IT'S ONLY A FOUR HOUR EVENT EVERY FOUR HOURS. 
          AFTER THAT, IT'S ANOTHER $2,500. SO IF YOU HAVE A THREE DAY EVENT,
YOU CAN SEE HOW THE COST WOULD ADD UP. 
          WE JUST REVIEWED THIS WITH, I, I THINK, CELEBRATION CHURCH. 
          AND IT ALSO DEPENDS ON THE BARRIER SYSTEM. IF YOU USE THE ARCHERS,
WE HAVE TO CLOSE PARK STREET. 
          IF YOU USE THE NVB THREE X, THE SMALLER L SHAPED ONES,
WE CAN LEAVE PARK STREET OPEN. 
          AND THAT COSTS THAT REDUCED THEIR COST ANOTHER,
I THINK $2,000 FOR THEIR CHRISTMAS EVE SERVICE AND ABOUT $1,000 FOR THEIR EVERY SUNDAY SERVICE. SO ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO REDUCE THE OFFICERS ON THE PERIMETER DEFINITELY HAS A
COST SAVINGS, BUT THE BUT THE BOLLARDS OR WALL OR WHATEVER PLANTERS OR WHATEVER,
IF IT WAS LOCATED, IF AGAIN, JUST FOCUSING ON CAMBIER PARK. DAVID, IF YOU COULD PUT THAT MAP UP THAT SAYS LAYOUT
PROPOSED BOLLARDS. 
          YEAH. IF IF THIS WAS INSTALLED WHERE THE RED DOTS ARE WITH SOME APPROPRIATE STRUCTURE THAT
WOULD REMOVE THE NEED TO CLOSE ALL THOSE STREETS. YES, SIR. AND IT WOULD ALSO REMOVE THE NEED FOR OTHER EXTERNAL SECURITY PROVIDED
NO MORE RENTING BARRICADES. 
          THE OFFICERS. THE ONLY WAY WE WOULD CLOSE THE STREET IS IF THE ORGANIZERS REQUESTED IT,
AND THEY WANTED TO TAKE UP STREET SPACE LIKE THE NAPLES ART ASSOCIATION, OR IF WE NEEDED IT, FOR A SECURITY BUFFER FOR A VIP EVENT LIKE WE HAD WITH OUR CENTENNIAL
EVENT. 
          WE CLOSED THE STREET JUST TO ENSURE THAT WE HAD A SAFETY BUFFER,
BECAUSE WE HAD 4500 PEOPLE THERE, AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A SAFE TRANSIT AREA. 
          SO FOR SPECIAL SPECIAL EVENTS LIKE THAT, WE WOULD PROBABLY STILL CLOSE THE STREETS. 
          BUT THAT'S ON A ONE BY ONE BASIS, RIGHT? OKAY. 
          SO I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD REDUCE THE COSTS,
THE SECURITY COSTS FOR, YOU KNOW, A LARGER EVENT THERE BY 25 TO 50% AT MINIMUM, AT MINIMUM. 
          SOME OF THEM WE HAVE TO CLOSE THE NIGHT BEFORE TO PREVENT PEOPLE FROM PARKING. 
          SO IT WOULD BE VERY SUBSTANTIAL, WHICH IS A MAJOR REASON TO DO IT. 
          IF WE COULD DO IT IN A PLEASING WAY IN MY MIND. 
          AND THEN FINALLY I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THIRD AND FIFTH WITH THE BARRIERS. 
          THERE IS WHAT IS BEING CONTEMPLATED. AND I UNDERSTAND WE'RE EARLY STAGES HERE WOULD BE
ACQUIRING ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ACQUIRING FOR BOTH FOR USE ON BOTH STREETS BARRIERS OF SOME KIND. 
          THAT WOULD BE BARRIERS THAT WOULD GO WOULD BLOCK THE INTERSECTIONS OF THE CROSS STREETS AS
WELL AS THE ENTRANCE AND END OF, OF EACH STREET. SO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS 41 AND THIRD STREET IN THE CASE OF FIFTH AND BROAD. 
          AND WHAT IS IT, 14TH IN THE CASE OF, OF THIRD. 
          BUT THESE WOULD BE BARRIERS THAT COULD THEN BE REMOVABLE BARRIERS THAT COULD BE INSTALLED
AND TAKEN AWAY ON BOTH THESE STREETS AS NEEDED FOR EVENTS. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? OR IS IT. IS IT SOMETHING MORE PERMANENT? THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET AT. 
          THE PERMANENCY WOULD BE IN THE SLEEVES, IN THE GROUND. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE PAGE CHAD'S PULLED UP HERE,
THE BOTTOM RIGHT PICTURE IS BARRICADES THAT ARE ACTUALLY STORED UNDERGROUND. 
          YOU OPEN A LID, PIVOT THEM IN PLACE AND PIN THEM. 
          WE WOULD ACTUALLY PROBABLY LOOK MORE TO BECAUSE WE HAVE THE FLOODING POTENTIAL HERE,
THE REMOVABLE BARRIERS THAT FIT IN SLEEVES. 
          SO WE WOULD DRILL SLEEVES. I SAY WE STREETS WOULD DRILL THE SLEEVES INTO THE GROUND,
COVER THEM WITH A METAL PLATE. 
          WHEN THERE'S A SPECIAL EVENT, YOU COME IN, YOU BRING THEM AND PUT THEM IN,
DROP THEM IN PLACE. 
          YES, SIR. YEAH. AND SO YEAH. AND SO THERE AGAIN TO ME THE KEY IS THEY'RE TEMPORARY. 
          YES SIR. AND THEY COULD BE. AND THEN THERE'S THE WHOLE QUESTION OF WHO PAYS RIGHT. 
          [08:00:04]
WHO PAYS FOR THE ACQUISITION OF THE BARRIERS AND THE WELL,
JUST, YOU KNOW, THE COST OF THE BARRIERS THEMSELVES. IS THAT A CITY EXPENSE OR IS THAT AN EXPENSE
THAT. 
          THE THE EVENTS, THE EVENT SPONSORS OR OR THE ASSOCIATIONS ON EACH STREET PAY FOR? I THINK IT WOULD IT COULD BE A COMBINATION BECAUSE IF THE CITY YOU KNOW,
WE YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAD THE MOST RECENT DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FARMER'S MARKET BEING A SOMEWHAT CIVIC EVENT AND COMMUNITY EVENT THAT WE,
YOU KNOW, HAVE AN INTEREST IN. 
          SO IF WE DID THIS AND DID IT AS A PILOT PROGRAM AND SHOWED THERE,
I THINK EVENTUALLY YOU SAY, YEAH, MAYBE WE'RE NOT CHARGING THE THE 3800 THAT THE OUTSIDE PEOPLE ARE DOING,
BUT MAYBE WE DO RECOUP A LITTLE BIT OF COSTS OVER TIME, ESPECIALLY IN THE SETUP AND TAKEDOWN AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO SO I THINK THAT'S A I THINK THAT WOULD BE A BLEND. 
          BUT ULTIMATELY THIS CITY WOULD HAVE THE INITIAL OUTFLOW IN ORDER TO GET IT TO TO HAPPEN,
SIR. 
          SO AND I'LL STOP WITH THIS COMMENT. TO ME, THERE'S THREE THREE THINGS THAT ALL ARE
IMPORTANT. 
          ONE IS OBVIOUSLY PUBLIC SAFETY AND SECURITY AND MAKING SURE WE ARE DOING WHAT WE THINK WE
NEED TO DO. 
          THE SECOND IS IN DOING THIS, WE HAVE, TO THE DEGREE POSSIBLE. 
          ESTHETICALLY WELL DESIGNED AND ESTHETICALLY PLEASING BARRIERS OF WHATEVER KIND THEY ARE. 
          AND THE THIRD IS THAT WE FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO PARTNER WITH WHOEVER WE NEED TO PARTNER WITH ON THIS IN A WAY THAT'S FAIR AND REASONABLE,
SO THAT WE'RE NOT RISKING THE EXTINCTION OF PUBLIC EVENTS IN THE CITY OF NAPLES IN THE NAME OF SECURITY. 
          YOU KNOW, TO BE A LITTLE MELODRAMATIC ABOUT IT,
BECAUSE THE COSTS ARE GOING UP SO, SO RAPIDLY. 
          AND AND THERE'S A RISK THAT CERTAIN EVENTS, INCLUDING SOME THAT I THINK MOST OF US WOULD
VERY MUCH NOT LIKE TO SEE GO AWAY COULD BE AT RISK. 
          SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERNS AND YOUR SUGGESTION. 
          I PERSONALLY WE CAN GET A CONSENSUS ON IT BEING THAT WE HAVE THREE SEPARATE CONVERSATIONS. 
          I ABSOLUTELY AGREE THAT FINANCIAL PIECE AND THE FAIRNESS AND HOW WE WOULD DISTRIBUTE THAT. 
          IT'LL PROBABLY END UP BEING LESS EXPENSIVE FOR FIFTH AND THIRD IN THE LONG RUN. 
          BUT I THINK THAT MR. YOUNG PROBABLY CAN PUT HIS BRAIN TO THAT. 
          I THINK PUBLIC SAFETY AND SECURITY, WE WE REALLY SHOULDN'T PROCRASTINATE. 
          WE'VE DISCUSSED IT. WE NEED TO ACT. AND I THINK THAT THE ESTHETICALLY PLEASING BOLLARDS, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU BRING FORWARD, THAT'S CONSISTENT. 
          I THINK THAT YOU HAVE LESS MAINTENANCE WITH THOSE. 
          AND YOU CAN HAVE PLANTERS, IF SO. TRUE, BECAUSE I ASKED THE SAME QUESTION. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER, BECAUSE SOMETIMES THE PLANNERS,
IF IT'S IN A GOOD LOCATION AND WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE THAT ACCESS. 
          AND I THINK WITH THE BOLLARDS, YOU CAN GET A BICYCLE,
A STROLLER, YOU HAVE MORE FREEDOM AND MOVEMENT THAN HAVING A WALL. 
          AND I DO WORRY ABOUT GRAFFITI AND THE MAINTENANCE ON IT. 
          SO I APPRECIATE THAT. AND WE'LL MOVE TO VICE MAYOR. 
          WELL, YOU PRETTY WELL SAID IT. I SO I SUPPORT TAKING ACTION ON THIS TO INSTALL SAFETY
BARRIERS WHICH WILL PROTECT THE PUBLIC. 
          WHETHER AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR COMMENTS ABOUT THE WALL,
BUT WHETHER IT'S A WALL OR OTHER BARRIERS, I SEE PROS AND CONS. I DO BELIEVE THAT. AND EVERYBODY KNOWS WE ABSOLUTELY HAVE STORM
EVENTS WITH SALT WATER, SAND AND OTHER CONTAMINANTS. AS AN EXAMPLE, I'VE GOT A CAR WASH AT ONE OF MY LOCATIONS. 
          IT HAS A BIG METAL PLATE. IN THAT PLATE IS THE METAL IS JUST FLAKING OFF OF IT. 
          IT'S RUSTING. SO WHEN WE TAKE THESE BOLLARDS OUT,
IF WE HAVE CASING THAT'S METAL AND PLATES THAT ARE METAL, THINGS ARE GOING TO EAT AWAY AT IT. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE EXPENSE IN MAINTAINING IT. 
          AND LET'S JUST RECOGNIZE WHAT THAT IS. SO LET'S INSTALL SOMETHING EFFECTIVE ATTRACTIVE AND
IS THE BEST USE OF PUBLIC FUNDS IN THE LONG RUN. 
          AND THEN IF WE HAVE REMOVABLE BOLLARDS LIKE THE SAFETY BARRIERS HERE ON THE SCREEN. 
          THE DEPLOYMENT COST. AND I SUPPORT WHAT COUNCILMAN CHRISTMAN SAYS ABOUT NOT PRICING
OURSELVES OUT OF ALL THE EVENTS. 
          [08:05:06]
BUT WE ALSO KNOW THAT IF WE PUT ALL THIS EXPENSE ON OUR CITY AND IF SUCCESSFUL ATTEMPTS
ARE MADE TO STRIP AWAY PROPERTY TAXES, WE NEED TO BUILD SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS US TO MAINTAIN THIS ONCE WE
GET IT BUILT. 
          SO JUST KIND OF THINK ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. 
          ANYONE ELSE SAID THAT? IT NEEDS TO BE SAID. SO DO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH
DESIGNING FOR CAMBIAR AND LOOKING AT THE OPTIONS FOR FIFTH AND THIRD? ANYTHING ELSE, MISTER? NO, I THINK THAT'S THAT WE WOULD COME BACK TO YOU AFTER WE SIT
DOWN, IDENTIFY EACH AREA AND THE UNIQUENESS OF IT. AND THEN WHAT A RECOMMENDATION OF WHAT WE
THINK IS IS IDEAL. 
          AND THEN FOLLOW UP WITH THOSE THAT CONVERSATION. 
          SO I THINK IT GIVES US CLEAR ENOUGH DIRECTION AND THEY'LL,
THEY'LL TAKE ON DIFFERENT PATHS, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY DISTINCT AND DIFFERENT TASKS. 
          BUT I THINK THAT THAT WE CAN GET TO WORK ON THAT IN PRETTY QUICK ORDER. 
          SO AT LEAST GETTING SOMETHING BACK TO YOU THAT IDENTIFIES EXACT QUANTITIES AND DIFFERENT
THINGS, LIKE ESPECIALLY ON THE STREETS, THE PILOT PROGRAM MIGHT BE THE FIRST ONE TO COME BACK,
BECAUSE I JUST THINK THAT THAT THAT'S A MORE LIMITED BUT BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. 
          OKAY. AND ALSO RAISE LEVELS AS WELL. YEAH. AND I THINK THE PART ON THAT IS TO IDENTIFY WHAT THE WALL HEIGHTS WOULD BE, WHAT KIND OF REINFORCEMENT IT NEEDS TO HAVE IN
IT. 
          SO IT GIVES IT SCALE. SO YOU CAN. WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT THE BOLLARDS AND THE OTHER,
YOU CAN ALSO UNDERSTAND THE SCALE AND DEPTH OF THAT WALL SO THAT IT HAS THE STABILITY IT NEEDS. STRONG WORK GO MAKE US SAFE. 
          THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. OKAY. COUNCIL, THAT TAKES US TO PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          [8) PUBLIC COMMENTS ]
MADAM CLERK, I KNOW THAT I GAVE YOU BACK THE SLIPS,
AND WE HAVE THE FEW REMAINING THAT ARE HERE. 
          OKAY. SO CAN YOU CAN MR. COPENHAGEN, CAN YOU PLEASE GIVE THE DIRECTION OF WHO'S IN HERE? THAT FOR? FOR SPEAKING. AND YOU WANT TO GO LAST. 
          IT DOESN'T MATTER NOW. OKAY. OKAY. JUST IF YOU'LL COME TO THE PODIUM AND STATE YOUR NAME,
I'LL MAKE SURE I PULL YOUR SLIP. OKAY. IS THERE A SPECIAL AMOUNT OF TIME I SHOULD GIVE HIM? YES. THREE MINUTES. HE'S GOT THREE MINUTES. IF HE FINISHES MY REMARKS. 
          JAY COLGAN FOR THE RECORD, PESTICIDE TIMES TIME EQUALS PARKINSON'S. 
          STUDIES SHOW IF YOU LIVE NEAR A GOLF COURSE,
YOUR RATE GOES UP 126% OF DEVELOPING PARKINSON'S. 
          AND ALSO ANOTHER THING, 80% OF THE PEOPLE BITTEN BY INFECTED DENGUE YELLOW FEVER
MOSQUITOES. 
          ZIKA MOSQUITOES. SKEETERS. THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE SYMPTOMS. THE OTHER 90% HAVE SYMPTOMS BUT RECOVER WITHIN A WEEK AND RARELY ARE HOSPITALIZED. 
          YOU KNOW THAT 1% THAT DOES GET HOSPITALIZED,
THEY RECOVER QUICKLY. 
          AND BECAUSE WE'RE NOT A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY,
YOU KNOW, WE THEY THEY HEAL QUICK. 
          SO DOES THIS JUSTIFY THIS THIS AERIAL BLANKET SPRAYING? I DON'T THINK SO. MIAMI-DADE HAS AN AERIAL BLANKET SPRAYED SINCE 2016. 
          I'M NOT AGAINST MOSQUITO CONTROL. I'M ASKING FOR MODERN,
TARGETED, SAFE MOSQUITO CONTROL. 
          THERE IS A GAME CHANGING TECHNOLOGY OUT THERE,
LIKE THE THE FULTON MATRIX DEFENSE SYSTEM THAT THAT KILLS 30 MOSQUITOES A SECOND AT 20FT WITH WITHOUT CHEMICALS. THAT'S A NEW TECHNOLOGY COMING OUT. 
          ALSO, THERE'S SURFACTANTS FOR STANDING WATER THAT SUFFOCATES THESE MOSQUITO LARVAE AND
DOESN'T AFFECT THE THE DRAGONFLY NYMPHS AND THE MOSQUITOFISH THAT ALSO FEED ON MOSQUITO LARVAE. WE HAVE TO STOP THIS AERIAL BLANKET SPRAYING. 
          THAT DOES MORE THAN JUST KILL MOSQUITOES. IT'S IT'S. 
          THE BEES ARE TAKING A BEATING. TO WRAP THIS UP. 
          [08:10:01]
IT'S TOO BAD. OFTEN MOSQUITO CONTROL GETS ASKED TO DO DAMAGE CONTROL FOR DEVELOPERS THAT
ARE MOVING DEEPER AND DEEPER INTO MOSQUITO TERRITORY. 
          SO WHAT? I'M THINKING OF THIS NEW TECHNOLOGY. 
          IT MIGHT EVEN HELP OUT THERE. SO. SO WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT LET'S LET'S LET'S LET OUR
COUNTRY. 
          I MEAN, LET'S LET OUR COUNTY HEAL. THANK YOU. 
          I JUST HAVE A QUESTION TO BETTER UNDERSTAND,
YOU HAVE THERE WAS A LARGE GROUP HERE TODAY, RIGHT NOW, SPEAKING FOR A LOT OF THEM. OKAY,
SO FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR COMING AND PARTICIPATING IN THE PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          WHEN YOU SAY AERIAL SPRAYING, CAN YOU BE MORE SPECIFIC? YEAH. BLANKET WHEN THEY GO BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH ALL OVER COMMUNITIES. 
          IS THERE A PARTICULAR PESTICIDE OR PRODUCT THAT'S BEING USED? YES. THE DIAGRAM. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S THE ONE WE'RE WE'RE ROUTING TO STOP THAT. 
          IT'LL IT'LL COME OUT IN THE REST OF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SPEAKING. 
          OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. ALRIGHTY. DOCTOR,
YOU WANT TO COME UP NEXT OR WHO WOULD LIKE TO? YEAH. RICHARD SCHROEDER, RETIRED PHYSICIAN. YEAH. 
          LET'S. YEAH, LET'S STICK WITH THE ORGANOPHOSPHATES. 
          SORRY. OKAY. NOW, CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY, GOOD. 
          YOU KNOW, MOSQUITO CONTROL MAKES HEAVY USE OF THIS ORGANOPHOSPHATE OF ORGANOPHOSPHATE
COMPOUNDS, ESPECIALLY IN THE FORM OF NALIDE OR DIBROM FOR THEIR BLANKET SPRING. 
          AND I AGREE, IT'S BLANKET SPRING. REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY SAY. 
          BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH ALL OVER YOU. THESE ORGANOPHOSPHATES WERE DEVELOPED BY THE
GERMAN MILITARY IN THE 1930S AS A NERVE GAS, AND EVENTUALLY CAME TO BE USED AS A CHEMICAL WEAPON BY EVERYONE FROM TERRORIST
ORGANIZATIONS TO PROFESSIONAL ASSASSINS. 
          THEY WERE REFORMULATED IN THE 1960S AND 70S TO REPLACE DDT,
A HIGHLY TOXIC CHLORINATED HYDROCARBON IN ITS OWN RIGHT, AND THE IMPETUS BEHIND RACHEL CARSON'S FAMOUS BOOK SILENT SPRING. 
          WE HEARD ABOUT THAT FROM MOSQUITO CONTROL THIS MORNING. 
          THE REFORMULATED VERSIONS WERE SAID TO BE NOT PERSISTENT,
UNSTABLE, AND BREAK DOWN RELATIVELY QUICKLY. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, THIS DOES NOT MAKE THEM SAFER THAN THE CHEMICAL WARFARE AGENTS THAT THEY
WERE DERIVED FROM. 
          THEY DO THEIR DAMAGE QUICKLY BY INHIBITING THE ENZYME CHOLINESTERASE FOUND IN HUMANS,
HUMANS, AND. 
          WATERWAYS AND SOIL. WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO REFUSE THESE TOXIC AERIAL SPRAYINGS BY PROVISIONS
IN FLORIDA STATUTE 381.026 RELATING TO FLORIDA'S PATIENTS BILL OF RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITIES, WHICH WAS ALSO INCLUDED IN SECTION 11 OF COLLIER
COUNTY'S HEALTH FREEDOM ORDINANCE. 
          THE NONRESIDENTIAL I'M SORRY THE NON REQUESTED TOXIC AERIAL SPRAYING IS,
IN MY OPINION, A VIOLATION OF OUR RIGHT TO INFORMED CONSENT. 
          THANK YOU FOR AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO CONTINUE. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU DOCTOR. OUR NEXT SPEAKER. 
          LEE. LEE, IF YOU'LL JUST COME FORWARD AND STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD,
PLEASE. 
          HELLO, EVERYONE. MY FIRST TIME HERE. DO I BRING THIS DOWN HERE LIKE THAT? OKAY. OKAY, SO MY NAME IS LEE FERBER. I AM A RESIDENT OF NAPLES. 
          ACTUALLY, NOT OF THE CITY, BUT JUST OUTSIDE THE CITY. 
          [08:15:05]
THE MANY DANGERS. AND I'M GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THE NEUROTOXIC AND
THE ENDOCRINE DISRUPTION OF THE ORGANOPHOSPHATES, SPECIFICALLY NALED, WHICH IS 87% OF THE PRODUCT DIBROM OR DIBROM. 
          SO TO TO ADD TO THE ENDOCRINE DISRUPTION AND THE NEUROTOXIC QUALITIES OF THIS PRODUCT,
WHEN, WHEN WE'RE EXPOSED TO IT WE ALSO NOW HAVE SOME NEW CONCERNS. 
          AN ARTICLE JUST PUBLISHED THIS PAST WEEK IN THE HEALTH NEWSLETTER,
THE DEFENDER ADDRESSES FINDINGS OF SEVERAL STUDIES ON ORGANOPHOSPHATE EXPOSURE. 
          EXCUSE ME? RELATED TO REPRODUCTIVE HEALTH ISSUES NOW BEING FOUND IN MEN. 
          RESEARCH IS SHOWING HIGHER PESTICIDE RESIDUE LEVELS IN URINE LINKED TO SLOWER SPERM
MOTILITY. 
          AND WHAT'S STRIKING, THEY SAY, IS THAT THE DAMAGE IS FOUND TO OCCUR AT WHAT MIGHT BE
CONSIDERED SAFE OR LOW LEVELS OF EXPOSURE. 
          ORGANOPHOSPHATES ARE BEING SHOWN TO DAMAGE SPERM BY DISRUPTING THE CALCIUM BALANCE,
IMPAIRING MITOCHONDRIA AND OXIDIZING CELL MEMBRANES. 
          THIS IMPAIRS MOVEMENT OF SPERM AND THEREFORE VIABILITY. 
          IN OTHER WORDS, THE ABILITY TO CONCEIVE IS BEING COMPROMISED. 
          THE DATA ALSO REVEALS CONSISTENT PATTERNS OF REDUCED SPERM COUNTS AND ABNORMAL SHAPE OF
THE SPERM ITSELF. 
          THESE STUDIES ARE SHOWING THAT MEN ARE PRODUCING FEWER AND SIGNIFICANTLY WEAKER SPERM THAN
THEIR FATHERS AND GRANDFATHERS. 
          I MENTIONED CALCIUM BALANCE DISRUPTION THAT IMPACTS MALE FERTILITY. 
          AND THIS HAPPENS BY NUMBER ONE BLOCKING CALCIUM CHANNELS IN CELL MEMBRANES,
PREVENTING THE INFLUX OF CALCIUM IONS LEADING TO INTRACELLULAR CALCIUM DEPLETION. 
          NUMBER TWO INHIBITING CALCIUM PUMPS SUCH AS THE PLASMA MEMBRANE RESPONSIBLE FOR
MAINTAINING INTRACELLULAR CALCIUM HOMEOSTASIS. 
          NUMBER THREE INHIBITING CALCIUM RELEASE FROM INTRACELLULAR STORES,
FURTHER DISRUPTING CALCIUM SIGNALING EXPOSURE THROUGH AERIAL AND NON AERIAL APPLICATIONS OF ORGANOPHOSPHATES, EVEN AT LOW DOSES, WILL FORCE,
IN THE CASE OF THE HUMAN BODY, THE NEED TO SOMEHOW PROCESS THAT TOXIN, AND IF THE BODY IS UNABLE TO READILY PURGE THESE CHEMICALS,
IT WILL HAVE TO STORE THEM SOMEWHERE. 
          AND SADLY. OH. I'M SORRY. OKAY, I'M GETTING CLOSER. 
          AND SADLY, THIS IS USUALLY IN THE TISSUES AND ORGANS WHERE THEY'RE BEING STORED. 
          WITH REPEAT EXPOSURE. OVER TIME, THESE CHEMICALS WILL ACCUMULATE,
AND EVEN THE HEALTHIEST OF BODIES WILL PREMATURELY DEGRADE WHEN EXPOSED TO THIS TYPE OF CHRONIC CHEMICAL EXPOSURE. WHEN WE ARE BETTER EDUCATED IN OUR OWN UNDERSTANDING,
WE CAN HELP TO TEACH OTHERS ABOUT CHEMICAL EXPOSURES THAT MAY BE POTENTIALLY IMPACTING NOT ONLY QUALITY OF LIFE, BUT LONGEVITY AS WELL. I'VE LOST ONE TOO MANY FRIENDS AND FAMILY
MEMBERS WHO, WHEN GIVEN THE RIGHT INFORMATION AND A CLEAN AND SAFE ENVIRONMENT,
SHOULD HAVE AND WOULD HAVE LIVED 2030 YEARS LONGER. 
          CHANGE FOR THE BETTER IS POSSIBLE. WE JUST HAVE TO INQUIRE WITHIN AND FOCUS ON WHAT WE
KNOW WE SHOULD AND MUST BE DONE. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO SPEAK. AND ONE LITTLE LAST THING IS,
I'D LIKE TO ENCOURAGE COUNCIL MEMBERS TO PICK UP A COPY OF THIS BOOK IF YOU WANT TO LEARN ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF ENCEPHALITIS AND OTHER SYMPTOMS THAT THEY LABEL
DISEASES THAT ARE ATTACHED TO MOSQUITOES THIS IS REFERENCED BY OVER 100 DOCTORS AND IT GIVES US IT GIVES A SCIENCE BEHIND THEIR STUDIES
THAT IS SOMEWHAT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE DISTRICT FOLKS SPEAKING. SO THERE'S CHAPTER SIX AND SEVEN THAT TALK ABOUT
ZIKA, THAT TALK ABOUT PRIMARILY ZIKA AND SOME OTHER OF THE DISEASES THAT ARE OUT THERE RELATED
TO EXPOSURE TO SOME TOXIC CHEMICALS. SO THANK YOU. 
          I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT. THANK YOU. ANY FURTHER PUBLIC SPEAKERS? I. HELLO. GOOD EVENING. SO MY NAME IS THOMAS. 
          I RESIDE IN COLLIER COUNTY FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS,
AND I AM FOREVER FIGHTING FOR THE RIGHT TO NOT BE POISONED. 
          BODILY SOVEREIGNTY AND INFORMED CONSENT IS A BASIC HUMAN RIGHT. 
          WE HAVE NO CHOICE TO OPT OUT OF THIS PRODUCT,
BUT WE DO HAVE CHOICES FOR OUR PURCHASES, FOR OUR HOME PRODUCTS, OUR FOOD, ETC., AND OUR MEDICAL CARE. SO THE OSHA SAFETY DATA SHEETS ON THIS PRODUCT
STATE, AND I QUOTE, IT'S TO BE KEPT AWAY FROM FOOD,
BEVERAGES AND FEED. 
          AVOID ALL CONTACT WITH EYES AND SKIN. IT ALSO STATES AND I QUOTE DO NOT ALLOW PRODUCT TO
REACH GROUNDWATER WATER COURSE OR SEWAGE SYSTEM. 
          [08:20:03]
DANGER TO DRINKING WATER EVEN IF IN SMALL QUANTITIES LEAK INTO GROUND. 
          END QUOTE. AND MANY OF US HERE GROW FOOD, WORK EXTENSIVELY OUTSIDE,
ON OUR LAND, IN OUR GARDENS. 
          AND MANY OF US ARE ON WELL WATER SYSTEMS IN COLLIER COUNTY,
ESPECIALLY IN GOLDEN GATE ESTATES, WHERE I RESIDE. AND SINCE I'VE ENCOMPASSED ENCOMPASSED ON THIS JOURNEY,
WE'VE BEEN GASLIT WITH TECHNICALITIES TO UNDERMINE OUR EFFORTS, AND WE'RE HERE ADVOCATING FOR YOUR CHILDREN,
FOR YOUR GRANDCHILDREN, FOR YOUR GREAT GRANDCHILDREN. 
          SO MY TOUR OF MOSQUITO CONTROL REVEALED SOME GREAT INNOVATIONS. 
          I REALLY WAS VERY HAPPY WITH IT, LIKE USING NATURAL METHODS TO CONTROL MOSQUITO LARVAE,
BIOLOGICAL NATURAL MOSQUITO SPRAYS. 
          AND FOR THAT I AM GRATEFUL. BUT NO ONE HAS BODILY SOVEREIGNTY AS LONG AS IT IS BEING
SPRAYED. 
          AND THERE ARE MANY UNDISCLOSED INGREDIENTS ON THIS PRODUCT. 
          NOTED AS TRADE SECRETS BY THE EPA. AND MOSQUITO CONTROL HAS REVEALED THAT TO ME BY THEIR
OWN WORDS. 
          AND YOU CANNOT SPRAY SOMETHING SAFELY WHEN YOU DO NOT KNOW ALL THE INGREDIENTS,
AND YOU CAN NEVER, EVER CALL IT SAFE IF YOU DO NOT HAVE THE FULL SCOPE OF THE PRODUCT. 
          SO SINCE I'VE PUT FORTH MY EFFORTS IN THIS ARENA SEVERAL MONTHS AGO,
I WAS SHOCKED AT THE FELLOW COMMUNITY MEMBERS AND GOLDEN GATE ESTATES THAT HAVE COME FORTH WITH SEVERAL COMPLAINTS OF SIDE EFFECTS AND AILMENTS CORRELATING AFTER SPRAYING OF DIBROM. 
          SO I HAVE TO QUESTION WHETHER THE HARM IS OUTWEIGHING THE BENEFIT AND POSSIBLE ILLUSION OF
CONTROLLING MOSQUITO BORNE DISEASE. 
          COMMON SENSE WOULD TELL YOU THAT MAN MADE LABORATORY CHEMICALS ARE NOT COMPATIBLE WITH
HUMAN HEALTH OR HEALTH ANYWHERE. 
          AS A FORMER DETECTIVE OF 20 YEARS EXPERIENCE,
I FULLY PLAN TO UTILIZE MY INVESTIGATIVE SKILLS TO FULLY EXPLORE THIS MATTER AND HAVE BEEN STARTED TO DO SO. NATURAL HEALTH AND PERSONAL BODILY SOVEREIGNTY ARE PASSIONATE CONCERNS
OF MINE. 
          THE TESTIMONY, INFORMATION AND OTHER STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN REVEALED TO ME THUS FAR ARE
EXTREME CONCERN TO ME AND SHOULD BE TO ALL FAMILIES IN COLLIER COUNTY AND THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES UTILIZING THIS PRODUCT APPROVED BY THE EPA. 
          AS FAR AS REPORTING INJURIES AND AILMENTS, MANY OF OUR BLUE COLLAR CITIZENS DO NOT HAVE
HEALTH INSURANCE. 
          CANNOT AFFORD TO TAKE A DAY OFF FROM WORK FOR,
LET'S SAY, A MIGRAINE HEADACHE, ETC. 
          AND IF THEY DO SEEK MEDICAL CARE, THEY AS THE PATIENT HAVE TO MAKE THE CONNECTION TO SELF
REPORT TO THE DOCTOR OF EXPOSURE, AND WE HAVE TO RELY ON THE DOCTOR FOR TESTING,
FOR TESTING AND REPORTING. 
          SO WHAT ABOUT BIOACCUMULATION? AND I JUST WANT TO FINALIZE WITH I JUST WANT TO WORK WITH
MOSQUITO CONTROL AND THE CITY AND AND THIS COUNCIL NOT AGAINST THEM. I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN TAKE THE CURRENT INNOVATIONS IMPLEMENTED TO
FURTHER, FURTHER A FULLY NATURAL AND RESPONSIBLE AND SAFE APPROACH TO MOSQUITO CONTROL. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. ONE MORE PUBLIC SPEAKER. 
          CAN I ASK? OKAY. HELLO. STATE YOUR NAME. MY NAME IS HEIDI WHITE. NAPLES RESIDENTS. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING THIS MEETING. 
          APPRECIATE IT. AND THE INITIAL PRESENTATION THIS MORNING BY COLLIER COUNTY,
MOSQUITO DISTRICT. 
          IT NAMED A DISTRICT RESPONSIBILITY RIGHT UP THERE ON THE SCREEN AS CONTRIBUTION TO HEALTH. 
          LET'S CONSIDER THAT LINE CONTRIBUTION TO HEALTH. 
          WHAT'S BEING SPRAYED AND FORCED UPON US WITHOUT OUR CONSENT ENTIRELY CONTRADICTS THAT
STATEMENT. 
          AS WE ARE AWARE, THE EXTREMELY TOXIC CHEMICALS,
INCLUDING DIBROM, NOW BANNED IN NUMEROUS COUNTRIES DUE TO THEIR KNOWN DANGERS AND PROVEN RISKS TO HEALTH, STILL CONTINUE TO BE SPRAYED ON ALL COLLIER COUNTY RESIDENTS. 
          CHILDREN ARE SENIORS, EVERYONE, INCLUDING TOURISTS WHO COME HERE TO ENJOY OUR BEAUTIFUL
AREA DUBBED AS PARADISE. 
          AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE PAINTING BEHIND YOU, THEY WANT TO BE OUTSIDE IN THE SUNSHINE,
DINE AT OUR FINE RESTAURANTS, SERVING OUR LOCALLY CAUGHT FISH THAT ARE TRAPPED IN THE SPRAY ZONE. 
          SOME ARE AWARE OF THE DANGERS OF THE TOXIC BLANKET SPRAYING OCCURRING. 
          YET SADLY, MOST ARE PROBABLY NOT AWARE. THIS MOVEMENT,
BUT THIS MOVEMENT TO PROTECT OUR HEALTH AND SAFETY, OUR LAND, OUR WATER, OUR SKIES, BEAUTIFUL WILDLIFE,
FISH, PLANTS, CROPS IS GROWING. 
          HAVE YOU SEEN THE 2019 MOVIE DARK WATERS, ABOUT A TOWN COUNTY SUFFERING FROM ILLEGAL
DUMPING OF TOXIC CHEMICALS? CANCER WAS RAMPANT THERE. LIVESTOCK WAS DYING. 
          THE MOVIE SHOWS THE CHALLENGES OF LITIGATING AGAINST A POWERFUL COMPANY BENT ON DENYING
RESPONSIBILITY AND COVERING UP ITS MISCONDUCT. 
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COLLIER WOULDN'T WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT LONG TERM,
DAMAGING GENERATIONAL HEALTH CONSEQUENCES TO RESIDENTS. 
          AS SOMEONE WHO BATTLED STAGE FOUR CANCER DIAGNOSIS GIVEN IN 2023,
I BECAME AWARE VERY QUICKLY TO AVOID AS MANY TOXINS AS POSSIBLE. 
          MADE RADICAL CHANGES AND LEARNED THE IMPORTANCE OF HEALING ORGANIC FOOD. 
          AFTER STAYING AT WORLD RENOWNED HIPPOCRATES IN WEST PALM BEACH,
I PLUCKED THIS LEMON FROM MY GARDEN JUST THIS MORNING. 
          AND IT'S A SMALL LITTLE GARDEN, BUT I TRY AND IT TOOK MONTHS FOR THE LITTLE TREE THAT I
HAVE TO PRODUCE TWO LEMONS. 
          AND I KNOW IF I HAVE PRIDE IN MY ATTEMPTED ORGANIC LEMON,
THE FARMERS HERE MUST HAVE EXTREME PRIDE IN THEIR CROPS AND PROMOTING HEALTH AND WELL-BEING. UNFORTUNATELY, I KNOW MY LITTLE LEMON HAS BEEN SPRAYED AS I RECEIVE MOSQUITO
CONTROL SPRAYING NOTICES, AND IT'S SHOCKING TO SEE THEM SPRAYING HERE NEARLY EVERY OTHER DAY. 
          I'M IN A WATERFRONT COMMUNITY, SO WE GET HIT HARD BY THE PLANES. 
          COLLIER LAND, WATER AND SKIES ARE SPRAYED WITH KNOWN,
DANGEROUS TOXIC CHEMICALS. 
          IT CRUSHED ME TO LOSE MY DOG IN JULY AT FIVE YEARS YOUNG TO BE CELL CANCER,
THE TYPE TOXIC GROUND SPRAYING CAUSES WITH MY OTHER DOG. 
          I NOW WORRY WHERE AND WHEN MOSQUITO CONTROL LAST SPRAYED AND TRY TO RINSE HER PAWS OFF
AFTER WALKING, HOPING SHE'LL LIVE LONGER. AND I TOO HOPE TO LIVE A LONG,
HEALTHY LIFE AND ASSUME WE ALL DO. 
          PLEASE HAVE THE RESEARCHERS THAT EARN 102 PLUS PER YEAR AT COLLIER COUNTY MOSQUITO
DISTRICT. 
          RESEARCH. SAFER WAYS TO COMBAT MOSQUITOES LIKE THE OTHER COUNTRIES AND COUNTIES HAVE DONE. 
          MIAMI IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. SHIRLEY, YOU RECENTLY SIGNED YOUR RECENTLY SIGNED BUDGET TOTALING
59 MILLION CAN AFFORD US SAFER WAYS TO PROTECT US IN COMBATING MOSQUITOES. 
          I HOPE YOU FIND IT IN YOUR HEARTS. COLLIER COUNTY,
MOSQUITO DISTRICT TO DO SO. 
          I CARE AND AM PASSIONATE ABOUT WANTING EVERYONE TO STAY HEALTHY. 
          THANK YOU. IT'S MY MISSION. THANK YOU. AND GOOD HEALTH TO EVERYBODY. 
          THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. YOU KNOW,
I KNOW I REALLY WANT TO SAY MR. COLON HANGING THAT YOU HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB IN MANY ISSUES IN TRYING TO EDUCATE THIS
COUNCIL. 
          AND TRULY, THAT'S PART OF THE CIVIC PARTICIPATION. 
          SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR UNDERSTANDING THAT WE AND CONTINUED THOSE PUBLIC COMMENTS TILL
TONIGHT. 
          SO THANK YOU. WITH THAT. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER. 
          I JUST HAVE TO SHOUT OUT THE FIVE OF YOU. YOUR STAMINA AND COMMITMENT ARE REMARKABLE. 
          WHATEVER. ANYBODY. I MEAN, TRULY THERE. IT'S AMAZING. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT EFFORT. OH, I'M JUST SAYING,
THAT'S ALL DAY LONG. 
          YEAH. WOW. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT. OKAY WITH THAT? 
          [9) COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, AND STAFF]
WE WILL GO INTO COMMUNICATIONS AND CORRESPONDENCE. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN. NOTHING. OH, COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. 
          NOTHING FOR ME. COUNCIL MEMBER PETRANOFF. TODAY? NO. NOT TODAY. LAST WEEKEND WAS COUNCIL MEMBERS BARTON'S BIRTHDAY. 
          YES. HAPPY BIRTHDAY. THANK YOU. YOU DIDN'T BRING YOUR CUPCAKES FORWARD? I DID. THEY'RE BACK THERE STILL. SO EVERYBODY HAVE ONE FOR ME. 
          BUT DAVID HAD THAT. THAT WAS ON FRIDAY 14TH. OH,
I WAS I WAS WELL, A COUPLE OF COUPLE OF SCORPIOS. 
          DAVID PLAYED MUSIC FOR YOU, SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO SING. 
          GOOD. THANK YOU. DAVID. APPRECIATE THAT. IS THAT GETTING PASSED DOWN QUICKLY AS. 
          IT'S A RITE OF PASSAGE. DO YOU WANT TO SEE THAT WITH THE OUTFIT YOU WORE ON,
THAT SOMEBODY WITH YOUR PANTS? YOUR WATERMELON PANTS. OH, I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S A DIFFERENT ONE. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEING A GOOD SPORT. AND HAPPY BIRTHDAY. 
          ALWAYS. BLESSINGS TO YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          NOTHING TONIGHT. MAYOR. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          KRAMER. JUST TWO QUICK THINGS. ONE, BY THE. BY THE WAY,
I HAVE TO TELL YOU IN MY MIND, I'M NOT SAYING WHAT YOU HAVE ISN'T VALID, BUT IT'S MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. FROM OUR AGENDA ITEM TODAY,
WHICH WAS JUST REHABBING THEIR FACILITIES. 
          IT WASN'T REALLY ABOUT JUST, YOU KNOW, LIKE,
I'M NOT SAYING IT'S NOT A VALID POINT. 
          I'M JUST SAYING, LIKE, WE CAN SAY YES TO REHAB FACILITIES AND STILL SAY,
HEY, DO WE HAVE TO SPRAY SPRAY DI-BROMM. 
          OKAY. IT'S TWO DIFFERENT THINGS, THOUGH. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS,
AFTER TALKING TO REPRESENTATIVE BOTANA, HE SAID HE'S WILLING TO MEET WITH US AND TO THIS COUNCIL OR OUR DESIGNEES AND DISCUSS THE
AND WORK TOGETHER TO 
          [08:30:08]
TO AMEND TO FIX THE BILL IN SOME WAY. HOPEFULLY IT WOULD BE AMENABLE TO BOTH. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BUT I'M TELLING YOU,
HE'S, THIS WAS TODAY WE HAD THIS CONVERSATION. 
          SO I WOULD IF WE HAVE CONSENSUS, I'D LOVE TO ASK OUR CITY MANAGER SOMEONE TO TRY TO
ARRANGE THAT WHERE? WHOEVER WOULD. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S MATTHEW OR WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE TO GET TOGETHER WITH
HIM. AND. AND IF WE SEND IN WHAT OUR ISSUES ARE, I THINK THE MAIN ISSUE IS WE WOULD LIKE TO KEEP APPOINTING THE BOARD. 
          BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ITEMS. AND YOU SAW THE SIDE BY SIDE THAT SANDRA SENT. 
          THERE ARE A NUMBER OF ITEMS THAT WE WOULD TAKE UMBRAGE WITH AND WORK WHERE WE CAN ON
WHICHEVER ONES OF THOSE TO GET THIS BILL CURED AS MUCH AS WE CAN BEFORE IT GOES FORWARD. I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO DO THAT,
TO AT LEAST HAVE THE CONVERSATION. 
          I DON'T KNOW. HOWEVER IT GOES, IT GOES. BUT AND HE ENDED RIGHT BEFORE I HUNG UP. 
          THIS BILL IS NOT GOING AWAY. THAT THAT WAS THE THEN CLICK. 
          SO I THINK IT WOULD BE I THINK IT BEHOOVES US TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AT THE VERY LEAST,
THEN WE AREN'T. 
          WE AREN'T THE ONES SHUTTING THE DOOR. I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IT THAT WAY,
AT THE VERY LEAST. 
          SO THAT GOES TO THE MAYOR TO GAIN CONSENSUS IF SHE WANTS TO. 
          BUT HE'S WILLING TO DO. HE'S WILLING TO MEET. WE HAVE HIRED A LOBBYIST AND ATTORNEYS TO
GUIDE US IN WHAT TO DO. 
          WE OBVIOUSLY, IF THERE'S SOMETHING HE WANTS TO DISCUSS WITH US,
WHY WOULD WE NOT BE WILLING TO SPEAK TO HIM ABOUT IT? BUT I WILL LEAVE THAT TO A STRATEGY OR CONVERSATION WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY. 
          AND WE CAN DECIDE HOW TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. 
          MAYBE WEDNESDAY, UNLESS YOU ARE PREPARED TO SPEAK ABOUT THAT NOW. 
          CAN I JUST SAY ONE THING? YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. 
          SO I DO THINK THERE ARE MEETINGS HAPPENING AND THINGS,
AND I CAN WORK WITH MR. YOUNG, BUT. BUT SOMETHING THAT WOULD HELP FROM COUNCIL. 
          IS SOME IDEAS ON SOME AMENDMENTS THAT YOU WOULD BE OKAY WITH TO SET. 
          I KNOW WHAT THE GOAL IS. THE GOAL IS TO KILL IT. 
          BUT I WILL SAY I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR COUNCIL. 
          THE ONE THING I SEE A BENEFIT HERE IS IF THERE ARE IDEAS THAT YOU ALL WOULD BE WILLING TO
ALLOW THE LOBBYISTS TO FACILITATE, I THINK THOSE ARE PROBABLY APPROPRIATE TO PASS ALONG. 
          AND IF THERE'S NO IDEAS, THERE'S NO IDEAS. BUT SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP,
I THINK I WANTED TO AT LEAST MENTION THAT I I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF. 
          I IT'S NOT FOR THE STATE TO STEP IN ON AN ISSUE THAT WE CLEARLY SEE AS TAKING AWAY HOME RULE. AND IF HE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT IT,
THEN IT WOULD HAVE BEEN RESPECTFUL THAT HE THAT ANYONE WHO WAS INTERESTED IN TAKING AWAY HOME RULE FROM THE CITY WOULD COME TO US. 
          OF COURSE WE'RE OPEN TO SPEAKING. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF ANY OF THE INFORMATION THAT'S IN IT. 
          BUT THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHTS. WELL, I HAVE TO SAY,
WE HAVE TO. 
          THESE ARE OUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES, AND MOST OF THEM ARE ELECTED. 
          I MEAN, THEY ELECTED US, ELECTED THEM, AND WE HAVE TO WORK WITH THEM. 
          MOVING FORWARD, THIS IS ONE ITEM ON A LONG LIST OF DIFFERENT ITEMS WE HAVE TO WORK
TOGETHER ON. 
          AND I WILL TELL YOU, HAVING DONE NUMEROUS MARRIAGE CONFERENCES,
THAT WHEN PEOPLE STOP COMMUNICATING, BAD THINGS HAPPEN. AND I THINK IT BEHOOVES US TO NOT BE THE ONE THAT CLOSED THE DOOR. 
          THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. SO HOWEVER WE CAN KEEP THE DOOR OPEN,
CONTINUE COMMUNICATIONS OR OR INITIATE THEM. 
          I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A WELL, HE DIDN'T, SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO. THAT IS NOT HOW I
OPERATE. 
          YOU DIDN'T, BUT I'M STILL GOING TO. IT'S HOW I OPERATE. 
          I'M STILL GOING TO EXTEND MYSELF. I STILL WANT TO OPEN THE DOOR. I STILL WANT TO
COMMUNICATE. AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TELL ME. NO. 
          AND SO HE'S WILLING TO. I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. 
          AND OBVIOUSLY WE NEED CONSENSUS ON JUST ONE VOTE. 
          I JUST AN FYI I RECEIVED A PHONE CALL THIS MORNING DURING OUR MEETING,
A VOICEMAIL FROM REPRESENTATIVE BOTANA RETURNING A CALL I HAD MADE TO HIM WEEKS AGO. 
          SAID HE'D BEEN OUT OF TOWN IN THE MESSAGE FOR SEVERAL WEEKS AND WAS REACHING BACK OUT AND
WANTED TO MEET OR TALK AND SO JUST SHARING THAT WITH YOU ALL AND YOU KNOW, WITH,
WITH OBVIOUSLY WITH SUNSHINE AND WITH THE NEED TO HAVE THE, THE PREFERENCE, I THINK, TO HAVE PRIVATE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS RATHER THAN
SOMETHING IN PUBLIC, I THINK. THE I AGREE WITH MR. MCCONNELL'S IDEA. 
          [08:35:02]
IF ANY OF US HAVE SUGGESTIONS ON AMENDMENTS,
I AM SURE WE WOULD ALL PREFER TO SEE THE BILL NOT MOVE FORWARD AT ALL. 
          BUT THE QUESTION IS, IF IT DOESN'T, WHAT'S PLAN B? AND YOU KNOW, SO IF ANY OF US WANT TO GIVE MR. MCCONNELL IDEAS, WE CAN. AND TO PASS ON TO OUR LOBBYIST. 
          AND THEN THE FINAL THING I'LL SAY IS THAT I THINK THE DECISION WE MAKE WEDNESDAY ON THE
APPOINTMENT OF THESE TWO NA MEETING MEMBERS WILL ALSO HAVE A SIGNIFICANT EFFECT ON THE ON, ON, ON THE BILL,
ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 
          NO. PETRANOFF. I AM FOR GIVING MATTHEW LOTS OF FEEDBACK AND KEEPING OPEN CHANNELS. 
          PROBABLY THE BEST ADVICE I GOT GOING INTO THIS WAS FROM A DIPLOMAT THAT WORKED DURING THE
BOSNIAN WAR, AND SHE SAID, THE DAY YOU STOPPED TALKING TO EACH OTHER IS THE DAY THAT YOU KNOW THAT YOU
LOSE. 
          SO EVEN IF IT FEELS UNCOMFORTABLE, I THINK WE KEEP THE CONVERSATION GOING. 
          I THINK THAT'S HEALTHY. I I'M OPEN MINDED, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WHO WE APPOINT IS GOING
TO MAKE A HILL OF BEANS A DIFFERENCE. 
          I THINK WE ARE. WE ARE A TOWN OF 20,000. COLLIER COUNTY IS A COUNTY OF 400,000. 
          IT'S IT IS. IF YOU'RE COUNTING VOTES, WE ARE IRRELEVANT. 
          AND THAT THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION. THANK YOU. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL MEMBER CRAMER I THANK YOU FOR KEEPING THAT CONVERSATION GOING
BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES. 
          AND IF THERE'S SOMETHING ON THE TABLE, WE'LL MAKE A DECISION AS A BODY. 
          SO THANK YOU. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU ALL KNOW. ONE OF THE THINGS I EMPHASIZED TO HIM WAS WHAT
WE DON'T WANT TO HAPPEN IS FOR THAT THE PAC MONEY, THE UGLY STUFF THAT WAS GOING ON DURING OUR LAST ELECTION HERE IN THE CITY. 
          I'M SCARED TO DEATH. THAT'S WHAT THIS THING IS GOING TO TURN INTO WITH,
WITH. 
          NAH. AND I THINK EVERYBODY AGREES THEY DON'T WANT THAT,
INCLUDING REPRESENTATIVE PATTON. 
          BUT SO I JUST FOR DIRECTION. SO I'M. ARE WE ALL TO EMAIL YOU? INDIVIDUALLY. WOULD YOU PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL HIM. 
          HOW DOES THIS LOOK I THINK TO TO EVERYONE'S POINT,
THERE ARE PEOPLE WORKING FOR THE CITY RIGHT NOW TO DO WHAT THE CITY ASKED ME TO ENGAGE PEOPLE TO DO. THAT WAS A VERY LONG SENTENCE. BUT WHAT YOU'RE REQUESTING IS BEING DONE. 
          HOWEVER, IF ANY ONE OF YOU INDIVIDUALLY HAVE SUGGESTIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO SEND TO ME
OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS. 
          I WOULD GLADLY PASS THOSE ON. SOME OF YOU ALREADY HAVE,
SO I APPRECIATE THAT, BUT JUST LET'S KEEP THE CONVERSATION GOING. 
          THE CONVERSATION IS ALREADY OCCURRING ON BEHALF OF THE CITY WITH PATTON AND HIS
REPRESENTATIVES ON A WEEKLY BASIS. 
          OKAY, OKAY. SO HE'S SO HE'S INVOLVED IN THIS. 
          SO SO THERE THERE ARE CONVERSATIONS ALREADY OCCURRING WITH THE LOBBYISTS THAT WE'VE
ENGAGED. 
          AND. YES, YES. AND IF I COULD JUST SAY IF THERE IS SOMETHING SPECIFIC THAT ANYONE ON THIS
COUNCIL HAS SPOKEN TO THAT THEY'RE READY TO CONCEDE TO, I, IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED THAT YOU SHARE IT HERE SO THAT WE,
YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU HAVE THE SUPPORT OF THE COUNCIL. 
          MAYOR. VICE MAYOR. YEAH. I JUST FIRST OF ALL,
I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. 
          COUNCILMAN KRAMER REGARDING REPRESENTATIVE BOTANA,
WHAT HE'S DOING IS SUGGESTING NEGOTIATING, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY INDICATION HE'S ACTING ON BEHALF OF THE ENTIRE COLLIER COUNTY
LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION. 
          IT TOOK ALL OF THEM TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PLAN THAT THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH. 
          AND I'M VERY CONCERNED, AS OUR ATTORNEY MENTIONED,
I'M CONCERNED WE'RE DISCUSSING A PATH WHICH IS NOT BEEN VETTED WITH OUR ATTORNEY AND OUR LOBBYIST. THESE ARE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS. 
          DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A WELL THOUGHT OUT PLAN TO YOU? THAT WE CIRCUMVENT THE WORK THAT THEY'RE DOING? I DON'T THINK SO. I, I WOULD SUPPORT LET'S ALLOW THE PROFESSIONALS WE'VE HIRED TO DO THEIR
JOB. 
          AND THEN IF, IF THERE'S SOME PERSONAL CONNECTIONS THERE THAT CAN BRING US TO A BETTER
RESULT. 
          GREAT. BUT WE'VE GOT TO BE CAREFUL WITH US GETTING IN THE MIX AND NEGATING WHAT THESE
PROFESSIONALS ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DOING. 
          SO THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. I'M COMPLETE. 
          THANKS. THANK YOU. PETRANOFF. YES. I JUST HAVE A COUPLE QUICK THINGS. 
          ONE, I APPRECIATE THE QUALITY OF THE CANDIDATES AT THE FOR THE NEA TODAY. 
          [08:40:05]
IT WAS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. I ALWAYS GET ASTONISHED AT THE SMART PEOPLE WE HAVE IN OUR
COMMUNITY THAT ARE WILLING TO STEP FORWARD AND DO A BIG, HAIRY, SOMETIMES UGLY JOB FOR FREE. WE SECOND ITEM IS MY FAMILY MOVED HERE FROM CONNECTICUT A FEW YEARS BACK. 
          AND IN HONOR OF THE NUTMEG STATE, WHICH IS WHAT CONNECTICUT IS CALLED I ATTENDED THE GRAND
OPENING OF RICO'S PIZZA. 
          IT'S ON IMMOKALEE AND COLLIER. THEY SENT OUT AN INVITATION TO ALL OF US. 
          AND IN CASE YOU DIDN'T KNOW, CONNECTICUT INVENTED PIZZA. 
          WELL, MAYBE THAT'S NOT TRUE, BUT THEY HAVE DELICIOUS PIZZA THERE. 
          AND THIS IS NO DIFFERENT. IT WAS A IT WAS A LOT OF FUN TO TO BE THERE. 
          I INVITED MY CONNECTICUT FRIENDS TO COME AND PARTAKE AS WELL. 
          AND I'M GLAD TO SEE YOU KNOW, A LITTLE SLICE OF CONNECTICUT COMING DOWN HERE. 
          SO WITH THAT, I AM COMPLETE. OH, WAIT, I HAD ONE MORE. 
          JUST FYI, IT'S COMING AROUND. I ACTUALLY RESEARCHED THAT LASER PRODUCT FROM INDIEGOGO,
WHICH IS A, YOU KNOW, FOR THE THEY'RE CALLING IT THE ION. 
          IT WAS THE IT'S SOMETHING LIKE THE ION AN IRON DOME OF LASER PROTECTION OF 20FT AROUND FOR
MOSQUITO PROTECTION. AND IT'S SORT OF AN INTERESTING THING. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE A SOLUTION FOR ALL OF COLLIER COUNTY,
BECAUSE IT ONLY GOES 20FT AT A MAXIMUM. 
          BUT THE DEVICE IS $500 OR $600, DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH LASERING YOU WANT TO DO. 
          AND IT'S YOU KNOW, I INVESTIGATED IT PERSONALLY BECAUSE IT WAS SO BUGGY THAT I THOUGHT,
OH, THIS IS THIS MIGHT BE SOMETHING. AND THERE'S A VIDEO OUT THERE THAT I'M GOING TO HAVE SENT
AROUND. 
          IT WAS IN A FAST COMPANY MAGAZINE THAT SHOWED,
YOU KNOW, IT DETECTS THE SOUND. 
          I THINK IT'S A SOUND OR THE OR OF A MOSQUITO FROM,
FROM ALL OTHER BUGS AND THEN JUST ZAPS IT IN THE AIR. 
          YEAH. IT DOES. IT DOESN'T TAKE UP. YEAH. SO I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS IT WAS KIND OF
INTERESTING FOR PERSONAL USE. 
          SO THESE TECHNOLOGIES, THERE'S A BUNCH MORE IF YOU GO TO INDIEGOGO OR ANY OF THESE
CROWDFUNDING THERE'S A THERE'S A TON MORE DEVICES OUT THERE, BUT I JUST FYI. THANK YOU. I'M COMPLETE. WELL. 
          THAT'S INTERESTING. I HAVE A BAD CASE OF TINNITUS,
AND I'M THINKING THAT THAT'S KEEPING MOSQUITOES AWAY, TOO. BUT THIS LASER STUFF. THIS IS REAL STUFF. 
          YEAH. YES, YOU'LL SEE IT. IT'S A VIDEO AN OKAY REAL QUICKLY. 
          WE WE ALL RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM THE NAPLES AIRPORT TENANTS COUNCIL,
AND THAT WAS ON NOVEMBER 12TH AT 2:30 P.M. 
          FROM MR. KEITH WEST. WE HAD A PUBLIC SPEAKER THAT CAME UP HERE AT THE END OF TODAY,
AND HE HE WAS A SPOKESMAN FOR THE NAPLES TENANT COUNCIL. HE MADE PUBLIC COMMENT,
ADDING THE NAMES TO THE RECORD IN THE SUNSHINE IS KIND OF THE WORDS HE USED OF THE PEOPLE THAT THE LIST OF WHO THEY APPROVED. THE LIST WAS READ,
AND I COULD BE MISTAKEN. 
          SO THERE'S A CAVEAT, BUT I DON'T RECALL HEARING MR. SCHUMANN INCLUDED. NEVERTHELESS, IN THE WRITTEN EMAIL,
IF YOU'LL LOOK AT IT, MR. SCHUMANN IS INCLUDED IN THE EMAIL. SO NOW I DON'T KNOW. 
          I KNOW IT'S JUST A A GROUP, BUT THERE'S IF I'M RIGHT,
THERE'S INCONSISTENCIES AND WHAT'S COMING. 
          MY CERTAIN WAY. AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT IT OUT. 
          SO. BUT TO TO COUNCILWOMAN PETRINO'S POINT THESE WERE ALL GOOD QUALITY CANDIDATES. 
          AND I'M VERY PLEASED THAT THERE WAS SO MUCH INTEREST IN SERVING IN THAT CAPACITY. 
          A THANKLESS JOB. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I ALSO DON'T KNOW WHO THEY INTERVIEWED,
BUT THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          MR. MCCONNELL, DO YOU HAVE. YES. THANK YOU. MAYOR. 
          JUST TWO QUICK THINGS. NUMBER ONE, JUST WANTED YOU ALL TO KNOW PRETTY STANDARD FOR. 
          THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND CITIES TO NEED TO ENGAGE POTENTIAL TITLE COMPANIES FOR
RESEARCH ON OWNERSHIP, OWNER AND ENCUMBRANCE REPORTS, ETC. 
          IT'S JUST GOOD TO DO FROM TIME TO TIME. IF THERE'S EVER A QUESTION AS TO OWNERSHIP,
NOT ON A SPECIFIC ISSUE, JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING. THEREFORE, I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE
ANY SPENDING AUTHORITY, THESE USUALLY RUN ANYWHERE BETWEEN 250 TO $500. 
          I JUST WANTED A GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT IF I EVER NEED A TITLE REPORT ON ANY ISSUE,
THAT I CAN JUST COORDINATE THAT PURCHASE WITH THE CITY MANAGER. 
          [08:45:04]
THERE'S REALLY ONLY TWO TITLE COMPANIES THAT DO MOST OF THE TITLE WORK FOR ALL
TRANSACTIONS PRETTY MUCH IN THE COUNTRY. 
          SO I WOULD JUST PICK ONE OF THEM. HOPEFULLY ONE OF THEM HAS SOME HOMETOWN KNOWLEDGE AND
KNOWLEDGE OF THE CITY. 
          BUT I JUST WANTED YOU ALL TO BE AWARE OF THAT AND SEE IF THERE WAS ANY OBJECTIONS. BUT
FROM TIME TO TIME, IT IS NECESSARY TO CONFIRM THESE THINGS. 
          AND YEAH. SO THAT'S NUMBER ONE. OKAY. OKAY. DEFINITELY. 
          COOL. AND THEN NUMBER TWO ANOTHER JUST CONSENSUS THING. 
          SO OBVIOUSLY I'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF RESEARCH IN PREPARATION FOR THE NA MEETING ON THE
20TH, WHICH IS THURSDAY, IN WHICH WE WILL BE PRESENTING SOMETHING THAT I CIRCULATED TO YOU ALL,
I BELIEVE, OVER THE WEEKEND OR LAST WEEKEND OR LAST WEEK. 
          BUT ONE OF THE POLICIES THAT I, THAT I REVIEWED,
AND IT WAS ACTUALLY IN OUR LETTER THAT WAS ISSUED MAY 15TH OR IN MAY AT SOME POINT ON OUR OPINION LETTER, ANDREW AND I IS POLICY 71.2 AND THIS POLICY READS THAT THE NAPLES AIRPORT
AUTHORITY AND CITY COUNCIL WILL MEET QUARTERLY ANNUALLY FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT ON PROPOSED AIRPORT BUDGET AND DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO THAT KIND OF STOOD OUT TO ME BECAUSE SINCE I'VE SINCE OUR FIRM WAS SELECTED AND I'VE
BEEN APPOINTED THE CITY ATTORNEY, WE'VE MET WITH THE FAA ONCE AND I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 18 MONTHS. 
          SO TECHNICALLY, IF WE'RE COMPLYING WITH THAT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY,
WE SHOULD HAVE MET FOUR TIMES BY NOW. SO UNLESS THERE'S ANY OBJECTION, I WAS GOING TO WORK WITH THE CITY MANAGER. I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A CITY CALENDAR THAT'S
BEEN PROPOSED AND ADOPTED FOR CITY MEETING DATES. 
          OBVIOUSLY HE WILL HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH MR. ROZANSKI. I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR HIM, BUT I JUST WANTED YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT I THINK
IT'S IMPORTANT TO MEET THAT POLICY. 
          IT'S NOT JUST TO DISCUSS THE BUDGET. IT'S ALSO TO DISCUSS DEVELOPMENT. 
          I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT IS GOOD. I THINK MEETINGS ARE GOOD,
AND IT'S ALSO PART OF YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          SO MY MY OPINION IS, YOU KNOW, YOU MUST ADHERE STRICTLY,
ADHERE TO YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          SO AGAIN, JUST AN UPDATE UNLESS THERE'S ANY OBJECTIONS. 
          BUT I PLAN ON COORDINATING WITH THE CITY MANAGER WHO WILL PROBABLY HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH
ROZANSKI OF SOME IN SOME WAY OR FASHION TO GET THOSE ON THE CALENDAR. 
          IT WOULD BE QUARTERLY, SO EVERY FOUR MONTHS. THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE THREE MONTHS. SORRY. 
          GARY'S THE MATH, MAN. IT'S IMPORTANT THAT IF WE HAVE THESE THINGS AS POLICIES THAT WE
FOLLOW THROUGH ON THEM. 
          I ALSO BELIEVE THAT THERE MIGHT BE OTHER THINGS IN THERE THAT NEEDS TO BE REVIEWED AND
WHAT WE ARE DOING AND WHAT WE ARE NOT DOING ACCORDING TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OUR CODES THAT WE NEED TO REVIEW AS A BODY PRIOR TO A JOINT MEETING SO THAT WE CAN SET A
HEALTHY AGENDA AND A MUTUAL AGENDA. I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THAT MAY I? YES, PLEASE. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS TO THE MAYOR,
TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY, OR I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD. 
          IT SAYS A MEETING REQUIRED. THAT WOULDN'T BE LIKE A WHOLE DAY OF MEETING,
RIGHT? COULD THAT BE BECAUSE IT'S QUARTERLY WOULD BE PART OF A MEETING THAT WE'RE HAVING PART OF
A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING, I'M GUESSING. IS THAT THE CASE? AN AGENDA ITEM? IN OTHER WORDS. WELL, I THINK IT COULD BE EITHER. 
          BUT YOU AND I BOTH KNOW THAT SOMETIMES WHEN YOU GET IN A ROOM IT TAKES ON A LIFE OF ITS
OWN. 
          AND SO YOU COULD TELL ME WHETHER YOU WANTED TO PIGGYBACK OR BE ON ONE OF YOUR
PRE-SCHEDULED DATES OR IF YOU CHOSE TO DO ANOTHER. 
          THE ONLY THING I'M SAYING IS IF IT'S GOING TO OCCUPY FOUR DIFFERENT DATES AND IT'S GOING
TO THIS COUNCIL BELIEVES IT'S GOING TO OCCUPY A WORKSHOP DAY IN ITS ENTIRETY. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT MANY MEETINGS,
AND I'D LET YOU KNOW WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THE CONCERN WOULD BE. AND MAYBE
IT'S TWO COULD BE ON REGULAR MEETINGS AND TWO COULD BE. 
          BUT LET'S WORK THROUGH THAT TOGETHER. BUT I GET YOUR POINT. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN IS, IS HOW MUCH TIME DO WE GET IF YOU TAKE A FULL DAY FOR A
JOINT SESSION? YEAH. I'M JUST LOOKING AT ANOTHER THING THAT EATS UP OUR CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY
FOR A DAY. 
          THAT'S. YEAH, THAT'S ALL I'M WONDERING. SAME CONCERNS. 
          YEAH. AND I THINK IT'S A FAIR POINT. I THINK THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN,
THOUGH, AND JUST ASSUMING THE INTENT, I THINK THE REASON IT'S REQUIRING MULTIPLE MEETINGS IN A CALENDAR YEAR IS TO DISCUSS MAYBE
1 OR 2 TOPICS PER MEETING, SINCE YOU ARE MEETING SO REGULARLY TO TRY TO HAVE THE MEETING FOCUSED ON WHAT'S GOING ON
RIGHT THEN AND THERE, AND ALSO TALK ABOUT BUDGET AND DEVELOPMENT. SO,
I MEAN, ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS ESSENTIALLY COULD BE THEM SUBMITTING THEIR UPDATED UTILIZATION PLAN, RIGHT? I MEAN, THERE ARE WAYS TO KIND OF BE CREATIVE HERE. 
          BUT I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, BECAUSE YOU'RE MEETING RIGHT NOW IS ALREADY KIND OF JAM
PACKED. 
          WELL, AND REMEMBER COUNCIL, THIS THIS BODY MET TWO WORKSHOPS AND TWO REGULAR MEETINGS AND
WE MADE A CHANGE TO THAT. 
          SO IF WE NEED TO ADD A WORKSHOP OR A MEETING THAT WE NEED TO JUST FOCUS TWO HOURS ON THE
AIRPORT 
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ISSUE. THEN LET'S LOOK AT THE AGENDA AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED. 
          AND I'M COOL WITH THAT. I REMEMBER WHEN WE DID THAT WORKSHOP AND I MEAN THE FIRST,
WE DIDN'T EVEN TALK ABOUT IT. 
          IT WAS ALL PUBLIC INPUT UNTIL AFTER LUNCH. I MEAN,
BUT IT'S WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY SITTING THERE GETTING PAID $500 AN HOUR, LIKE I JUST. BUT IF WE HAVE MY FAULT, I THINK IF WE HAVE THESE MEETINGS. 
          COMMISSIONER COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER, IT CAN PREVENT. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING. YES, YES, THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          THAT STATE TO STAY DISCIPLINED ON THE ONE ISSUE OR TWO ISSUES. 
          AND THEN IT CAN NOT BE THE WHOLE DAY FOR THAT. 
          YEAH. OKAY. JUST I'M JUST ASKING. I'M JUST ASKING. 
          YEAH. THANK YOU. MAYOR. I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. JUST REAL QUICKLY, SINCE WE TALKED ABOUT THE LEGISLATORS,
YOU KNOW, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF LET YOU KNOW THERE'S BEEN CONTINUED DIALOG WITH SENATOR PASSIDOMO, REPRESENTATIVE BENAROCH AND REPRESENTATIVE BERTINO,
INCLUDING PUTTING FORTH THE OTHER LEGISLATIVE PRIORITIES AND APPROPRIATIONS. SO I WANTED YOU TO KIND OF JUST KNOW THAT COMMUNICATION STILL CONTINUES,
AND WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THAT THAT ROAD. 
          AND AND WE DO BELIEVE THAT IT'S MR. BERTINO AND MISS PASSIDOMO WILL BE PUTTING FORTH THOSE
REQUESTS. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT SO WE CONTINUE TO WORK THOSE ANGLES AS WELL. 
          AND LISA HURLEY'S OPTIMISTIC. SO THANK YOU. AS IT RELATES TO THE AMENDMENT TO THE I WAS
TALKING ABOUT THE APPROPRIATION REQUEST AND THOSE, THOSE OTHER ITEMS THAT ARE ON OUR LEGISLATIVE THEY HAVE TO HAVE A SPONSOR TO
GET THE APPROPRIATION REQUEST AND THOSE THINGS AND THOSE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THEIR SUPPORT. THANK YOU. DO YOU WANT TO OR MAYBE YOU HAVE INFORMED COUNCIL THAT YOU MET FOR
SEVERAL HOURS WITH YEAH, IT WAS A GOOD CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW. YEAH,
THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING. 
          I'VE, I'VE HAD A NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS, EVEN THOUGH I DON'T ALWAYS ADVERTISE THEM TO
YOU, BUT I CONTINUE TO WORK, YOU KNOW, JUST TRY TO COME TO A MEETING OF THE MINDS ON VARIOUS
THINGS. 
          I MEAN, SHE DOES SHE DOES DID SEEM TO INDICATE THERE'S ON,
ON 180 THAT THERE'S, YOU KNOW, REWRITES THAT ARE IN ACTION AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I'LL JUST TOUCH THAT. SHE
DID SHE DID, IT, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ON IT. BUT IN GENERAL,
ALL OF MY COMMUNICATIONS WITH YOUR LEGISLATORS ARE POSITIVE AND IN ON THOSE AREAS WHERE WE CAN SEE COMMON GROUND. SO AND SPECIFICALLY, YOU SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND HAVING HER
UNDERSTAND WHAT OUR LOCAL BUDGET AND WHERE THE MONEYS GO TO. 
          I APPRECIATE HER CARING ENOUGH TO WANT TO BE EDUCATED ON OUR GOVERNMENT BUDGET AND THE
POSSIBILITIES OF ANY CHANGES TO MAYOR MAYOR, AND THANK YOU FOR THAT, BECAUSE SPECIFICALLY,
THAT WAS THE FOCUS OF OUR CONVERSATION WAS ON THE BUDGET AND THE RAMIFICATIONS OF A UNILATERAL DISARMING ON PROPERTY TAXES, AS OPPOSED TO JUST INCREASING SOME EXEMPTIONS. 
          THERE ARE SIX PROPOSALS THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT ARE CIRCULATING,
AND WE ARE DOING A COST ASSESSMENT ON THEM. 
          AND THEN ONCE WE PREPARE THOSE, I HAD INDICATED TO MISS BENAROCH AND I HOPE I PRONOUNCED
THAT RIGHT. 
          AND MISS PASSIDOMO THAT WE WOULD GET THAT INFORMATION TO THEM. 
          AND OF COURSE I WOULD DISSEMINATE IT TO YOU AS WELL. 
          SO WE CONTINUE TO TO WORK THOSE ANGLES. THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. I WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO LOOK AT THE BLANKET SPRAYING,
AND I AM ONE PERSON WHO WOULD LIKE TO KNOW MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT. 
          AND ASK THE QUESTIONS THAT WERE ASKED OF US TODAY TO THE AGRICULTURAL SECRETARY SO THAT WE
HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF THESE CONCERNS. AND IF WE HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS TO MAKE AS A BODY THAT WE CAN IS ANYONE
OPPOSED TO DOING THAT WORK AND FINDING OUT ABOUT THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE BEEN GIVEN BY THE MEMBERS OF THE
PUBLIC? OKAY, PERFECT. THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG. AND TO STAFF FOR ADDRESSING SECOND AVENUE SOUTH BETWEEN CENTRAL AND OR FIFTH AVENUE TO EIGHTH. 
          HOWEVER JUST HAVE SOME QUESTIONS. YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THEM NOW,
BUT IF TO IF THAT'S ACTUALLY HOW WE'RE GOING TO DO THOSE REPAIRS, BECAUSE BASICALLY IT SEEMS LIKE WE DID SOME PATCH WORK UNDERNEATH. 
          I GUESS I WAS EXPECTING A MORE DETAILED WORK. 
          SO JUST HOW WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH IT, THE ROAD IS EVEN WORSE NOW AS IT RELATES TO THE
BUMPS IN THE ROAD. 
          AND IT'S JUST IT'S NOT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE I THINK WE EXPECT ON THAT ROAD. 
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AND WHAT WHAT? YEAH. THE LONG TERM FIX. AND THEN I RECOMMEND COUNCIL. 
          WE JUST RECEIVED IT FROM THE CLERK. THE MINUTES FROM THE OCTOBER NA MEETING AND IT
MENTIONS SEVERAL THINGS THAT WE ASKED THEM TO LOOK AT LANDING FEES AND SOME OTHER POSSIBILITIES. 
          AND THE MINUTES WILL SHOW YOU THAT THEY'VE CHOSEN NOT TO LOOK AT THOSE THINGS. 
          SO I THINK THAT THAT'LL BE SOMETHING THAT WE'LL WANT TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ON WITH THEM,
WITH THE NEW MEMBERS. BUT IT'S INTERESTING THAT FEES AND LANDING FEES ARE WERE NOT ACCEPTED,
AND I JUST WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO READ THOSE WITH THAT COUNCIL. 
          THANK YOU. IT WAS A LONG DAY, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR DUE DILIGENCE AND RESPECT. 
          AND ATTENTION TO DETAILS IN SUCH A LONG DAY. SO WITH THAT,
WE'RE ADJOURNED. 
          THANK YOU.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.