Nov 12, 2025 Planning Advisory Board

[1) Call to Order]

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MEETING. IF YOU WISH TO ADDRESS THE BOARD REGARDING AN ITEM LISTED ON THIS AGENDA, PLEASE COMPLETE A REGISTRATION FORM AT THE REAR OF THE ROOM AND PLACE IT TO THE SPEAKER BOX SOMEWHERE OVER HERE BUT IN THE DAIS PRIOR TO CONSIDERATION OF THAT ITEM, WE ASK THAT SPEAKERS LIMIT TO LIMITS TO SEVEN MINUTES AND LARGE GROUPS NAME A SPOKESPERSON WHENEVER POSSIBLE.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR INTEREST AND PARTICIPATION IN CITY GOVERNMENT. IS THE CURRENT OF THE CITY OF NAPLES TO ENCOURAGE THE OPEN EXCHANGE OF IDEAS, FAIR DISCUSSION OF ISSUES AND THE PARTICIPATION OF ALL PERSONS IN GOVERNMENT. THEREFORE, WE SPEAK, WE PLEDGE TO BE RESPECTFUL OF EACH OTHER, EVEN WHEN WE DISAGREE, TO DIRECT ALL COMMENTS TO THE ISSUES AND TO AVOID PERSONAL ATTACKS DURING ANY CITY MEETINGS AND WORKSHOPS. DO I GO THROUGH AND READ THE OTHER THING TO. OKAY, SO CALL TO ORDER. THE ROLL CALL. NONVOTING SCHOOL BOARD REP. MISS LOCKHART IS ABSENT. MEMBER BARONE PRESENT. ALTERNATE MEMBER COOPER PRESENT. MEMBER CREECE PRESENT MEMBER. FOWLER PRESENT. MEMBER. MAYOR PRESENT. MEMBER.

SCHULTZ. LIKEWISE VICE CHAIR. KEPLER HERE AND CHAIR COUGHLIN IS ABSENT. THANK YOU. SO JUST DO THE ROLL CALL. SO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. ANY CHANGES TO THE AGENDA? I SAW THAT THERE

[4) Changes to the Agenda]

[6.A) Approval of the October 8, 2025, Planning Advisory Board meeting Minutes.]

[7.B) A Resolution Determining Petition 25-V6, Relating to a Variance Pursuant to Section 56-41 of the Code Of Ordinances, City Of Naples, to Allow a Home Generator to Encroach Approximately Three and a Half Feet into the Required Minimum Rear Yard Pursuant to Section 58-176 of the Code of Ordinances, City Of Naples, for the Property Owned by Stacy B. Vermylen Declaration of Trust, and Located at 255 1st Avenue North, More Fully Described Herein; and Providing an Effective Date.]

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THANK YOU. YEAH. ALI. OKAY. THAT'S ON. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. WE LIVE AT TWO, AS I SAID, 255 FIRST AVENUE NORTH ON ONE OF THE PRETTIEST STREETS IN OLD NAPLES.

SO WE'RE VERY PLEASED ABOUT THAT. I NEED TO THE LOCATION IS THE HOUSE WAS BUILT IN 2008 AND NINE AND ONLY TOOK US A YEAR TO BUILD, WHICH IS A BIT OF A RECORD. IT WAS DESIGNED BY ARCHITECT ANDREA CLARK BROWN, WHO YOU MAY BE FAMILIAR WITH BECAUSE SHE'S DONE A LOT OF THE MUNICIPAL. SHE DID THE SUGDEN THEATER. THE PARKING GARAGE IS A LOT OF THINGS IN THE CITY. 50 HOMES, THREE CHURCHES. SO ANDREA WAS PRETTY WELL KNOWN IN THE AREA, AND HER CONCEPT WAS TO BLEND THE INSIDE WITH THE OUTSIDE. SO WHEN YOU ARE INSIDE THE HOME, THE LANDSCAPING IS FULLY INTEGRATED WITH THE OUTSIDE. SHE ALSO WORKED ON CREATING ECOLOGICALLY POSITIVE GARDENS WITH PERVIOUS SURFACES SO THAT WATER RUN OUT IS MANAGED. SO WE'RE HOPING IN FUTURE HURRICANES THAT THAT AND WITH THE OTHER WORK THAT THE CITY'S BEEN DOING THAT WE DON'T HAVE A HUGE PROBLEM. THE THE HOUSE WAS SELECTED BY THE NAPLES GARDEN CLUB, PARTICULARLY BECAUSE OF THE UNIQUE LA IN THE BACKGROUND. AND AN ALLEY IS A FRENCH WORD FOR A SERIES OF TREES THAT ARE PARALLEL. IT IS A COMMON THEME IN LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE. YOU MAY SEE IT OUTSIDE THE SUGDEN THEATER, FOR INSTANCE, THE LA THAT LEADS TO THE THEATER. SO THIS IS AN IMPORTANT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE OF OUR HOME AND IS FULLY VISIBLE FROM THE PICTURE WINDOWS IN OUR MAIN MAIN ROOM. THE STONES ALLOW WATER TO PERMEATE, SO THERE'S NOT A PROBLEM WITH WATER RUNOFF OTHER THAN IT FLOWS DOWN. THE HOUSE IS ELEVATED ABOVE, AND WE ARE LUCKY TO SAY THAT DURING THE HURRICANE WE WERE FLOODED IN THE GARAGE, BUT NOT IN THE HOUSE. THE POWER IN THIS BLOCK, AS YOU MAY KNOW, IS ABOVE GROUND. SO WE HAVE TRANSFORMERS ALONG THE ALLEY AND THIS IS A PICTURE OF THE TRANSFORMER IMMEDIATELY BEHIND OUR HOUSE.

WE HAVE OUTAGES ACTUALLY IN KEY STORMS BECAUSE OF THE VULNERABILITY OF THE TRANSFORMERS. BUT WE ALSO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH A PARTICULAR NEIGHBOR IN THE BACK WHO HAS A VERY HEAVY LANDSCAPING THING, AND OFTEN THEY WIND AROUND THE TRANSFORMER AND LIGHT HAS TO COME IN AND CLEAN IT ALL OFF. SO WE HAVE UNFORTUNATELY LOST POWER MORE THAN MORE THAN ONCE LATELY IT'S BEEN GOOD. SO BUT A GENERATOR WILL BE AN IMPORTANT SAFETY ADDITION FOR US, GIVEN THE STORMS THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN THE PAST AND THE OCCASIONAL OUTAGE AT THE ZOOM PRE-QUALIFICATION MEETING, WE KIND OF BRAINSTORMED ABOUT WAYS THAT WE COULD WHERE WE COULD PUT TO MEET ALL OF THE FEMA REQUIREMENTS AND THE CITY REQUIREMENTS. WE LOOKED AT BUILDING A 12 FOOT SECOND STORY TO OUR AIR CONDITIONER, BUT WE WORRIED THAT DURING A HURRICANE, AN ELEVATED 12 FOOT PLATFORM ABOVE GROUND NOT ONLY WOULD BE VIEWABLE FROM THE ALLEY, BUT COULD BE INCREDIBLY VULNERABLE IN A HURRICANE. SO THAT WAS REJECTED. WE LOOKED AT OTHER PARTS OF THE PROPERTY AND FOUND THAT THERE WERE NOTHING THAT MET EITHER FEMA GUIDELINES OR CITY GUIDELINES, EXCEPT IN THE LOCATION THAT THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT. ONLY ONE LOCATION STOOD OUT TO BE THE MOST LOGICAL, AND THAT'S IN OUR REAR YARD. AND WE HAVE A MOVIE HERE THAT CAN GIVE YOU A LITTLE GUIDANCE. LET'S SEE IF I CAN FIGURE OUT HOW TO TURN THIS ON. THIS IS WALKING

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THANK YOU DAVID. SO RIGHT HERE IS THIS WHERE THIS RED IS WOULD BE WHERE YOU WE WOULD HAVE AN ELEVATED ALUMINUM STAND. FEMA REQUIREMENTS ARE FOUR FEET OFF THE GROUND. AND THE GENERATOR, WHICH IS ABOUT 40IN LONG, WOULD SIT ON TOP OF THAT. AGAIN, IT NEEDS TO BE ELEVATED BECAUSE OF FLOOD RISKS AND FEMA REQUIREMENTS. BUT IT'S NOT A IT'S A IMAGINE ALUMINUM STAND.

OKAY. SO THE REAR OF OUR HOME WAS THE ONLY OTHER PLACE. AND YOU'LL READ THE REPORT THAT CITY DID, THE ONLY OTHER PLACE THAT COULD POSSIBLY MEET YOUR ORDINANCES, OUR ORDINANCES AS A CITY IS WHERE THIS X IS. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE PALM TREES AND BASICALLY TAKE APART THE LA.

YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'D LIKE TO DO, BECAUSE THERE IS THIS OTHER SPOT THAT WOULD BE PERFECT. SO WE AND WE ALSO ARE VERY ECOLOGICALLY ORIENTED, DO NOT THINK WE SHOULD BE REMOVING TREES. AND WE WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE TWO PALM TREES. AND THEY'RE 20FT TALL. SO WE'D LOVE NOT TO HAVE TO DO THAT. SO WE SINCERELY HOPE YOU'LL SUPPORT THIS. THIS VARIANCE REQUEST. IT IS AN IDEAL LOCATION. WE WOULD RATHER NOT DESTROY TREES. THE LA IS AN IMPORTANT ARCHITECTURAL FEATURE FOR THIS HOUSE. OUR CLOSEST NEIGHBOR, MILES AND PARKER COLLIER, HAVE WRITTEN A LETTER OF SUPPORT. AND THEY ARE THEY THEY AND ALMOST ALL OUR NEIGHBORS ON THE ALLEY HAVE GENERATORS, AND SOME OF THEM ARE QUITE A BIT CLOSER THAN 25FT. SO POWER IN THE AREA CAN BE VOLATILE. AND WE LIKE TO KEEP THE HOUSE SAFE. AND THERE'S JUST NO WAY TO SEE THIS GENERATOR FROM THE REAR ALLEY. SO AND WE ALSO HAVE A VERY COMPETENT INSTALLER WHO WILL MEET ALL OF THE CITY REQUIREMENTS AND FEMA REQUIREMENTS TO INSTALL THE GENERATOR. SO WE CERTAINLY INVITE YOU IF YOU WISH. I THINK A COUPLE OF YOU HAVE COME BY TO LOOK AND SEE IF YOU HAVE SOME CONCERNS, BUT IT IS THIS AREA IN THE BACK IS REALLY QUITE BARREN. IT'S A IT'S TOTALLY EMPTY AND WOULD BE AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR THE GENERATOR. SO THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? DOES ANYBODY HAVE QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONER? YES I HAVE A QUESTION OR TWO. SURE. TELL ME. AS I OBSERVED THE THE PROPERTY AND THE LOCATION, THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE THE GENERATOR, THE THE PROPERTY THAT WE WOULD

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AND THEN SECOND QUESTION WOULD BE, CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE ENCLOSURE THAT YOU ENVISIONED? I THOUGHT THAT THE WALL IS A GREAT ENCLOSURE FOR YOUR OTHER EQUIPMENT. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING.

RIGHT. SO ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS WHEN YOU USE AN ALUMINUM STAND THAT YOU SIT THIS ON THERE, THERE ARE CERTAIN GUIDELINES FOR THE STRENGTH OF IT. SO IT'S DESIGNED TO TO HANDLE VIBRATION WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT. SO THERE'S SOME CLEAR SORT OF STATE STANDARDS FOR CONSTRUCTION. BUT IT IS AN ALUMINUM STAND. SO IT'S NOT SOLID LOOKING. IT'S IMAGINE THE THE SIDES OF A STAND WITH FOUR LEGS AND A TOP WITH STRUTS AT THE BOTTOM. AND IT IS. I MEAN WE COULD PUT THINGS IN FRONT OF IT, BUT IT'S ABSOLUTELY NOT VISIBLE TO ANYONE ON ALL SIDES. SO THERE'S A HEDGE TO THE LEFT, THERE'S A HEDGE TO THE RIGHT, THERE'S A HEDGE TO THE ALLEY, AND THERE'S A WALL TO THE BACK. SO YOU COULD PUT PLANTS SOME ADDITIONAL THINGS IN FRONT OF IT. IT'S OPEN LAND. WE CERTAINLY COULD. OF JUST A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS. SURE. THE IN THE THE CITY'S RIGHT UP ON ON YOUR REQUEST, IT MENTIONED THAT THE ONE PLACE WHERE IT MIGHT MEET CODE IS TO THE EAST OF THE EXISTING EQUIPMENT. BUT IS THAT IS THAT YOU. YEAH. IS IT WOULD VIOLATE THE SETBACK. SETBACK? OR TO THE EAST OF THE EQUIPMENT IT SITS. THERE'S A HEDGE. THAT'S THE GARDEN. YEAH. EAST OF THE EQUIPMENT WOULD MEAN TAKING DOWN THE PALM TREES, THE HEDGES AND THE. AND THAT WAS THAT WAS MY QUESTION. IF YOU WERE GOING TO PUT IT IN THE PLACE SUGGESTED BY THE CITY, AND I MIGHT HAVE THE DIRECTIONS WRONG, THEN IT WOULD REQUIRE DESTROYING PART OF THE ALLEY.

RIGHT, RIGHT. ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. TWO OF THE PALM TREES. OKAY. AND THEN LAST QUESTION INCLUDED, YOU KNOW, SO YOU'VE GOT YOUR 25. THE CODE HAS THE 25 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT. BUT BEYOND BETWEEN YOUR PROPERTY LINE AND THE PROPERTY LINE OF THE PEOPLE IMMEDIATELY TO THE TO THE NORTH OF YOU IS A A 20 FOOT ALLEY RIGHT TO TO THE NORTH OF US IS AN ALLEY. SO IT IS ABOUT 28FT FROM THE CENTER OF THE ALLEY. THIS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ABOUT 28FT FROM THE CENTER OF THE ALLEY. OKAY. BUT THE PROPERTY LINE IS FARTHER IN. SO WE HAVE A HEDGE RIGHT NOW THAT COVERS THE PROPERTY LINE THAT TOTALLY BLOCKS VIEW OF THE REAR OF THE HOME FROM THE ALLEY. THE ONLY PART YOU CAN SEE IS OUR GARAGE, WHICH OF COURSE YOU CAN'T BLOCK TO BE ABLE TO GET INTO YOUR GARAGE. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE EVER EVEN NOTICED THE WALL OR OUR AIR CONDITIONERS, BECAUSE THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH INVISIBLE. I ACTUALLY HAD OKAY, SO I GUESS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IN THAT THAT QUESTION WAS THAT THAT THE GENERATOR UNIT WOULD BE MUCH GREATER THAN 25FT AWAY FROM, FROM THE NEIGHBORS, RIGHT? PROPERTY. ABSOLUTELY. EVEN GIVEN THE RIGHT VARIANCE AND PROBABLY 30FT AWAY FROM THE EDGE, EVEN MORE THAN 30FT AWAY FROM THE NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY LINE. OKAY, I THINK THAT'S ALL THE QUESTIONS I HAVE. THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE? GO THAT WAY THEN? THANK YOU. YEAH, I LOOKED AT IT YESTERDAY. THANKS. THANKS FOR COMING BY. YOU BET. AND THE STAND, THE ALUMINUM. FAN. THE THE RATING ON THAT. HOW MUCH IS THE WHAT DOES THE GENERATOR GENERATOR WEIGH AND HOW MUCH IS THE CAPACITY FOR. GENERAC IS VERY SPECIFIC. AND THEY WON'T INSTALL IT WITHOUT MEETING ALL OF THE OF THE WEIGHT GUIDELINES.

AND THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION. SO WE WOULDN'T DO IT. THE INSTALLER WON'T INSTALL IT IF IT DOESN'T MEET ALL THE GUIDELINES FOR THE WEIGHT OF THE GENERATOR. DID IT COME WITH THE GENERATOR OR IS IT AN ADD ON OUR PURCHASE AGREEMENT WITH THE SUPPLIER IS FOR BOTH THE STAND AND THE GENERATOR, AND THOSE MET ALL OF THE REQUIREMENTS ABOUT WEIGHT.

IT'S A CONSIDERATION BECAUSE IT'S YOU KNOW, YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE GENERATOR MIGHT BE WORKING, THAT IT IS STRONG ENOUGH TO WITHSTAND AND IT STRONG ENOUGH TO WITHSTAND A HURRICANE. BUT IT IT DID NOT COME AS A PACKAGE. THE GENERATOR AND THE STAND ARE SEPARATE TOGETHER. THEY'RE SEPARATE. AND THE AND THE STAND IS BOLTED TO THE WALL, WHICH IS IMPORTANT FOR US TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T GO FLYING OFF. YOU KNOW, DURING A BIG STORM. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. SURE. MY ONLY QUESTION IS REGARDING THE NOISE OF THE GENERATOR. I'M ASSUMING THAT IT'S WITHIN THE CITY CODE, WHICH I BELIEVE IS 65DB. THE GENERATOR. ALL THE GENERATORS

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GOOD IDEA. I'D LIKE TO SEE THEM TAKE IT INTO CONSIDERATION. SURE, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT'S A PROBLEM BECAUSE NOISE BAFFLING IS WAS IN THE PROPOSAL. BUT I DON'T REMEMBER THE SPECIFIC. DO YOU REMEMBER? I DON'T REMEMBER. THERE'S LIKELY TO BE A RUBBER PAD. YEAH, EXACTLY. THAT'S WHAT THEY USUALLY DO TO BAFFLE. YEAH, YEAH. AND THE AIM WOULD BE TO GET THAT NOISE. SO IT'S NOT GREATER THAN THE AC. YOU ALREADY HAVE THE AC RUNNING I HOPE SO, BUT I DON'T KNOW I DON'T KNOW THE DECIBEL LEVELS I DON'T KNOW. THAT'S SOMETHING I'LL BE ASKING STAFF WHETHER THEY'VE GOT ANYTHING KNOWLEDGE ON THAT. RIGHT. MR. CHAIR IF I COULD. I MEAN IT'S IMPLIED, BUT IT'S EASY ENOUGH TO PUT A CONDITION THAT THAT WE HAVE A BAFFLING TO MEET THE CITY CODE ON ON NOISE PROBLEMS. I MEAN ALL CITY CODES, REALLY, BUT NOISE IN PARTICULAR. AND DURING A HURRICANE, DOES THAT APPLY TO. LET ME ASK THE QUESTION, DOES THAT APPLY THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE ANY NOISE DURING A HURRICANE WHEN THE POWER'S OUT? IS THERE IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH THE NOISE OF OF GENERATORS FALLING INTO THE BIWEEKLY? OH YEAH.

YEAH. RIGHT. YEP. WELL, WE'LL DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO BAFFLE IT. A COUPLE QUESTIONS. SURE. I TOTALLY SUPPORT HAVING GENERATORS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. WE HAVE ONE IN OUR PLACE. I KNOW EXACTLY WHERE WE HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM. YEAH, WITH TREES RIGHT NEXT TO THE, YOU KNOW, TRANSFORMER AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO THE ONLY ISSUE I HAD WAS, IS, IS NOISE BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S NOISY FOR 15 MINUTES OR 10 MINUTES EVERY WEEK. RING POPS UP AT, YOU KNOW, 10 A.M. EVERY WEEK. RIGHT. AND WHEN OUR NEIGHBORS GO ON, WE CAN HEAR IT, RIGHT? RIGHT. AND AND WHEN IT GOES OUT, WHICH IS GOING TO BE AT LEAST IN OUR PLACE, IT WENT USED TO GO OUT A LOT OF TIME WHEN THERE WASN'T ANY HURRICANE. MATTER OF FACT, DIDN'T NEED TO HAVE MUCH OF ANYTHING AND IT WOULD STILL COME OUT TOO MUCH. SO I GUESS THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, IS THERE ANYTHING THE DID YOU EVER CONSIDER LIKE PUTTING THE THE WALL IT AT THE OTHER END? I MEAN BASICALLY, YEAH.

YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A PLATFORM THAT HAS THE, THE HVAC AND STUFF AND THEN PUT THE WALL AT THE OTHER END OF THE GENERATOR AND STUFF SO THAT IT AT LEAST PROTECTS SOME OF THE PEOPLE

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THAT'S THAT'S THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD. OKAY. GOOD QUESTION. IF YOU HAVE TO PUT A WALL AROUND IT, WOULDN'T THAT SEEK ANOTHER VARIANCE FOR THE WALL. YEAH IT WOULD, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE ANOTHER VARIANCE IN THE SAKE OF SIMPLICITY. I TRUST THAT THEY WILL PUT THEIR APPROPRIATE BAFFLING AROUND IT. AND I'LL MOVE THAT THIS MOTION BE APPROVED. OKAY. YEP. STAFF REPORT PLEASE. STAFF REPORT. SORRY. ALL RIGHT. YOU'RE ON. YOU'RE ON. GOOD MORNING. BOARD CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS FOR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT BEFORE YOU THIS PETITION ITEM 25 V6 A VARIANCE PETITION TO ALLOW THE INSTALLATION OF A HOME GENERATOR TO BE LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 21.5FT. YOU CAN'T HEAR ME. BECAUSE THE MIC IS ON. YEAH, OKAY. 21.5FT FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE, WHERE A 25 FOOT MINIMUM REAR YARD IS REQUIRED PURSUANT TO SECTION 56, 41 AND 50 8-1 76 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES ON THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 255 FIRST AVENUE NORTH, LOCATED IN THE R1 TEN ZONING DISTRICT. THE PROPERTY WAS PURCHASED BY THE VERMILLION FAMILY IN JUNE OF 2007, WHERE THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOME WAS DEMOLISHED SHORTLY THEREAFTER. THE EXISTING HOME WAS BUILT IN 2009, SHORTLY AFTER THE AMENDMENT TO THE CODE.

SECTION 5641 OF THE MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT WAS CODIFIED ON DECEMBER 20TH, 2006. SUBSECTION A STATES MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT INSTALLED WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION OR WITH ADDITIONS OR ALTERATIONS EXCEEDING 50% OF THE ASSESSED VALUE OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE MAY NOT BE LOCATED IN A REQUIRED YARD, REGARDLESS OF THE HEIGHT OR PROJECTION OF THE EQUIPMENT.

NEW GENERATORS MAY BE INSTALLED ADJACENT TO EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, PERMITTED AND CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE ORDINANCE CODIFIED IN THIS SECTION, PROVIDED THAT THE NEW EQUIPMENT DOES NOT ENCROACH MORE THAN 36IN INTO ANY REQUIRED YARD. AT THE TIME THE PROPERTY WAS CONSTRUCTED. IT DID ADHERE TO THIS RECENT ADOPTION IN 2006, WHERE THE EXISTING MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT PLATFORM WAS INTENDED TO HOUSE THE AIR CONDITIONING UNIT AND THE POOL EQUIPMENT. AT THE TIME, A HOME GENERATOR WAS NOT IN CONSIDERATION. GIVEN THE RECENT STORMS THE CITY OF NAPLES HAS BEEN FACING IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS. THE NEED FOR A HOME GENERATOR IS UNDERSTANDABLE. THE PETITIONER IS REQUESTING A VARIANCE TO SECTION 5641 MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT AND 58 176 THE MINIMUM YARD REQUIREMENTS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES TO ALLOW HOME GENERATOR TO ENCROACH APPROXIMATELY 3.5FT INTO THE REQUIRED REAR YARD, WHERE A 25 FOOT MINIMUM REQUIREMENT IS REQUIRED. SO THE PROPOSED HOME GENERATOR WILL BE SITUATED IN A FOUR FOOT ELEVATED PLATFORM LOCATED IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF THE EXISTING MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT PLATFORM, AND THE PETITIONER AFFIRMS THAT THE PROPOSED GENERATOR WILL BE SCREENED BY LANDSCAPING. THE PETITION WAS REVIEWED BY. THE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTAL AND THERE WAS NO OBJECTION TO THE VARIANCE. STAFF FINDS THAT PURSUANT TO SECTION 4637 C OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, THE STAFF HAVE APPLIED THE VARIANCE CRITERIA TO REQUEST THE INSTALLATION OF THE HOME GENERATOR AND FIND THAT THRESHOLD CRITERIA TWO, THREE, FOUR, SIX AND SEVEN MEET THE THRESHOLD AND ADDITIONAL CRITERIA FOUR IS NOT APPLICABLE. ADDITIONAL CRITERIA TO ONE, TWO AND FIVE WAS ALSO MET. HOWEVER, THRESHOLD CRITERIA ONE AND FIVE HAVE NOT BEEN SUBSTANTIALLY MET BECAUSE THE LITERAL INTERPRETATION MAY BE ACHIEVED AND ALL REASONABLE STEPS TO MITIGATE THE NEED FOR THE VARIANCE WERE NOT FULLY DEMONSTRATED. SHOULD THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD WISH TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ONE. THE

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AND I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT WHEN THE CITY RENDERED THE OPINION THAT NUMBERS ONE AND FIVE WERE NOT MET, THAT WAS, OF COURSE, BEFORE THE TESTIMONY WE HAD, THE SWORN TESTIMONY WE HAD TODAY. CORRECT. SORRY. SAY THAT AGAIN. THE THE THE CITY IN YOUR REPORT, WHICH I WHICH WAS VERY WELL DONE AGAIN CONCLUDED THAT THAT WHAT STEPS OR REQUIREMENTS ONE AND FIVE WERE NOT MET, BUT THAT WAS BEFORE YOU HEARD THE THE SWORN TESTIMONY OF THE OF THE HOMEOWNER. ISN'T THAT CORRECT? THE STAFF REPORT WAS WRITTEN AND ISSUED A WEEK AGO.

YEAH. OKAY. AND SO AND SO MY POSITION WOULD BE THAT WITH THE TESTIMONY WE HEARD TODAY THAT NUMBERS ONE AND FIVE ARE INDEED MET. AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT FOR THE RECORD, BECAUSE WE CAN'T ACT ON A VARIANCE, WE CAN'T APPROVE A VARIANCE UNLESS ALL OF THOSE CRITERIA ARE MET.

IT'S IN THE CODE. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY, IN MY OPINION, ALL OF THE CRITERIA HAVE BEEN MET. OKAY. ANSWER THAT. SO ALL OF YOUR DECISIONS HAVE TO BE MADE BASED ON THE CRITERIA. BUT YOU HAVE TO. WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE AT A QUASI JUDICIAL HEARING IS GATHERING AS MUCH COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE AS POSSIBLE THAT CAN COME FROM YOUR PROFESSIONAL PLANNING STAFF. AND THEY PREPARED THIS REPORT AND PRESENTED IT ORALLY. THEY ARE PROFESSIONALS AND THEY'RE OFFERING YOU TESTIMONY, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'RE GATHERING TESTIMONY FROM THE APPLICANT. SO IT'S YOUR JOB REALLY TO WEIGH THE EVIDENCE AND APPLY IT TO THE CRITERIA.

SO I DON'T THINK ASKING STAFF TO CHANGE THEIR MIND ON SOMETHING BASED ON WHAT THEY I'M NOT ASKING THEM TO CHANGE THEIR MIND. I WAS JUST TRYING TO ESTABLISH THAT WE'VE HEARD ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE THAT CAN ALLOW US TO CONCLUDE THAT ALL OF THE CRITERIA HAVE BEEN MET.

OKAY. SO I THINK WHAT YOU'RE ASKING THEM IS THAT HAS ANYTHING YOU'VE HEARD HERE TODAY CHANGED YOUR MIND? NO, I WASN'T I WAS DEFINITELY NOT ASKING THAT. BUT I WAS JUST ESTABLISHING THAT WE'VE HEARD ADDITIONAL EVIDENCE THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO MAKE A DIFFERENT DETERMINATION THAN THE ONE THAT'S IN THE REPORT. BECAUSE BECAUSE THE THE CRITERIA AND THE STATUTE, THE CODE SAYS ALL OF THESE THRESHOLD CRITERIA MUST BE MET OR NO VARIANCE WILL BE GRANTED. YEAH, THAT'S THIS BOARD CAN'T GRANT A VARIANCE UNLESS WE DISAGREE AFTER HEARING THAT TESTIMONY. AND THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT I'M MAKING. SO IT'S CLEAR ON THE RECORD THAT IF WE APPROVE THIS, WE'RE DOING THAT. AND IT'S NOT ULTRA VIRES THE THE CODE.

THAT'S THE POINT I'M TRYING TO MAKE. RIGHT. AND YOU'VE YOU'VE HEARD TESTIMONY. I MEAN, YOU'VE GOTTEN. SO IN OTHER WORDS, EACH OF YOU HAVE TO MAKE UP YOUR OWN MINDS BASED ON THE COMPETENT, SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THAT YOU'VE HEARD AS TO WHETHER OR NOT IT MEETS THE CRITERIA. WELL SAID. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO ESTABLISH JUST ON THAT POINT. I THINK NOW IS THE TIME TO IS I UNDERSTAND YOU FORMING THAT OPINION. THAT'S YOUR OPINION THAT ALL CRITERIA HAVE BEEN MET.

THAT IS MY PERSONAL OPINION. I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT NOT A BOARD, NOT WELL, MAYBE IT WILL BE A BOARD DECISION, BUT IT'S NOT ESTABLISHED YET. YES. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO ASK ANDREW A QUESTION. A QUESTION ON THIS TOO, IS THAT SINCE ALL THE CRITERIA HAVEN'T BEEN MET, THAT DOESN'T THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHY WE'RE HERE, RIGHT. TO DECIDE IF THIS VARIANCE CAN THEN BE APPROVED IN IN SPITE OF THAT, IF YOU WILL. YOU WERE SITTING AS A QUASI JUDGE JUDGES, YOU HAVE THE BENEFIT OF HAVING SOME VERY, VERY GOOD, WELL TRAINED PLANNERS THAT OFFER YOU THEIR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, BUT YOU ALSO ARE GETTING SOME VERY GOOD INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT AS WELL. SO IT'S YOUR JOB AS JUDGES TO WEIGH THE EVIDENCE AND DECIDE WHETHER IT MEETS THE CRITERIA. AND THIS ISN'T REALLY RELATED, BUT IT KIND OF BRINGS UP A QUESTION THAT I HAVE. IF A PETITIONER WERE TO COME FORWARD AND NONE OF THE CRITERIA WERE MET, WOULD THEY EVEN GET THIS FAR OR DO THEY HAVE TO? IS IT A CERTAIN NUMBER OF THOSE CRITERIA THAT HAS TO GET A THRESHOLD TO GET TO THIS POINT OR. NO, THERE'S NO IT'S NOT UP TO STAFF TO SAY YES OR NO. I

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JUST SO WE'RE REALLY CLEAR ON THOSE JUST THE END CONDITIONS. OF COURSE ONE WILL BE THE APPROVED HOME GENERATOR SHALL ENCROACH NO MORE THAN 3.5FT WITHIN THE REQUIRED MINIMUM REAR YARD AND SHALL BE SHIELDED ENTIRELY BY PLANT MATERIAL, FENCE IN OR COMBINATION THEREOF.

NUMBER TWO THE PETITIONERS AND THEIR SUCCESSORS IN INTEREST SHALL ABIDE BY THE VARIANCE GRANTED VIA PETITION 25 V6. ANY FURTHER ENCROACHMENT OR EXPANSION BEYOND THE THRESHOLD ESTABLISHED IN THIS VARIANCE SHALL REQUIRE A NEW VARIANCE PETITION, AND THREE MECHANISMS TO MITIGATE NOISE EMISSION WILL BE INSTALLED. SOUNDS GOOD. WE HAVE ANY. WHAT DO WE NEED TO HAVE SOMEBODY FIRST? WE HAVE A MOTION I WILL SECOND. YEAH THERE'S A MOTION AND A SECOND.

SO I THINK WE DO ROLL CALL AT THIS POINT. HEY, MEMBER BARONE. YES. ASSOCIATE MEMBER COOPER.

YES. MEMBER. CHRIS. YES. MEMBER. FOWLER. YES. MEMBER. MAYOR. YES. MEMBER. SCHULTZ. YES. VICE CHAIR. KAPPLER. YES. AND CHAIR COUGHLIN IS ABSENT. THANK YOU. PASSES. OKAY, BACK TO THE

[8.A) Update on Naples 2045, the elective changes to the City of Naples Comprehensive Plan. ]

ALL RIGHT. ERICA MARTIN, PLANNING DIRECTOR. THIS IS JUST AN INFORMATIONAL MEMORANDUM FOR YOU THIS MONTH. WE HAD THE CONSULTANT HERE LAST MONTH TO GIVE YOU A PRESENTATION. I THINK THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THIS MEMO ARE THE UPCOMING ACTION. SO THE UPCOMING ACTION WOULD BE THAT WE ARE HOLDING THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS TOMORROW, WHICH IS NOVEMBER 13TH, AT THE TWO DIFFERENT LOCATIONS, ONE IN THE MORNING AND ONE IN THE AFTERNOON. WE INCLUDED IN THIS AGENDA PACKET THE FLIER, WHICH IS THE INVITATION. SO WE HAVE POSTED THAT FLIER IN PHYSICAL LOCATIONS ALL OVER THE CITY. WE HAVE IT ON THE WEBSITE. MONIQUE, OUR PUBLIC RELATIONS PERSON, HAS SENT IT OUT. WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE CAN TO GET THE WORD OUT FOR THIS MEETING TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE, AND. THE I WILL SAY TO NOTE IN THIS, IN THIS MEMORANDUM AND THEN AS DISCUSSED BY CITY COUNCIL, CITY COUNCIL DID HAVE A DISCUSSION AT THEIR LAST MEETING WHEN THIS THESE WORKSHOPS WERE DISCUSSED AND THEY MADE A COUPLE OF DECISIONS. FIRST, TO MAINTAIN THE SCHEDULE THAT WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSED AND APPROVED FOR THE CONSULTANT. SO THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS WILL BE HELD TOMORROW AND THE SCHEDULE WILL STAY ON TRACK AS

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CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT WANT ELECTED OFFICIALS OR BOARD MEMBERS SITTING AT A TABLE AND PARTICIPATING IN IN THE HEARING OR IN THE MEETINGS THEMSELVES. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO ACTION ITEMS. BUT I WOULD SAY THERE WILL BE ADDITIONAL PUBLIC WORKSHOPS HELD IN EARLY 2026, YOU KNOW, NEXT YEAR. BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE STATUS TODAY. GET AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN TO SHOW UP TOMORROW. I HAVE A QUESTION. WHEN WE HAD THE PRESENTATION LAST MONTH FROM THE CONSULTANTS, I ASKED HOW THEY WERE GOING TO MEASURE SUCCESS OR FAILURE OF THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS. I'VE SEEN NO FEEDBACK. HAVE YOU HAD ANY FEEDBACK? THEY'VE BEEN DISCUSSING THIS. THIS HAS BEEN A TOPIC. WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS. I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU TODAY, BUT THE WHOLE MONTH THEY STILL HAVEN'T WORKED OUT WHAT SUCCESSFUL FAILURE IS GOING TO BE. I MEAN, THEY'RE WORKING ON IT. IT'S NOT THAT THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING WHERE IT'S IT'S STILL TO BE DETERMINED. BUT I WILL REPORT BACK TO YOU WHEN I HAVE A SOLID ANSWER BACK IN A MONTH. JUST STILL WORK IN PROGRESS. I DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU. I'M SORRY. OKAY. NO. I'M SORRY. NO I'M NOT. QUESTIONING YOU. I'M SURPRISED THE CONSULTANTS HAVE NOT BEEN BACK IN A MONTH. TO CONSULTANTS. HAVE NOT BEEN BACK IN A MONTH TO TELL US HOW THEY ARE GOING TO MEASURE SUCCESS OR FAILURE OF THESE PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETINGS. IF IF ANY OF YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS. I GAVE A SUGGESTION LAST WEEK, LAST MEETING, WHICH WAS A VERY CLEAN ONE, AND ON THAT SUGGESTION I WOULD ASK THAT ERICA AND THE TEAM COULD COME BACK AS TO WHAT WAS THE TURNOUT FOR PRIOR ELECTIONS, AND THAT COULD BE USED AS A PERCENTAGE OF A PARTICIPATION. IN OTHER WORDS, IF X PERCENT PARTICIPATE IN ANY OF THE WORKSHOPS COMBINED, AND THAT MATCHES THE TURNOUT OF VOTERS, THAT WOULD BE A CLEAR INDICATION THAT THERE'S BEEN ADEQUATE CONSULTATION AS A BAROMETER. OKAY. THAT'S ONE GOOD. I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY THE ELECTION, WHICH ELECTION IT IS OBVIOUSLY INFLUENCES THE TURNOUT. YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION VERSUS A NON-PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. BUT I THINK IT IS ONE OF MANY GOOD BAROMETERS TO USE. BUT I THINK THEY THE TEAM MEETS EVERY OTHER FRIDAY, HAVE A MEETING. AND I KNOW THAT THIS HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AND THEY WOULD BE OPEN TO IDEAS FROM YOU AS THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY, IF YOU HAD OTHER BAROMETERS THAT YOU WANTED THEM TO CONSIDER. I HAVE A QUESTION. SO HAVE. MEMBER CREWS OR THE. THE PROBLEM IS OR THE ISSUE IS THAT THERE'S KIND OF BEEN NO BAROMETER AT THIS POINT YET OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. THE ISSUE IS, IS THAT THE THESE DATES WERE PROPOSED, EVERYTHING'S ROLLING ALONG AND WE HAVEN'T WE HAVE NO MEASURE OF WHETHER WE ARE SUCCESSFUL OR NOT. AND I, YOU KNOW, IN MY PRIOR LIVES, I'VE ALWAYS KNOWN WHAT THE MEASURE OF SUCCESS OR FAILURE IS GOING TO BE BEFORE WE EVEN START THE START THE JOURNEY. RIGHT. AND HERE WE'VE STARTED THE JOURNEY AND WE AND A MONTH HAS PASSED, AND WE STILL DON'T KNOW HOW THE CONSULTANTS AND THESE ARE PEOPLE, THESE ARE PROFESSIONALS ALLEGEDLY, WHO WE'RE PAYING GOOD MONEY TO AND THEY DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GOING TO MEASURE OR THEY ARE GOING TO MEASURE WHETHER WE HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL OR WE HAVE FAILED. RIGHT. SO, LIKE MAINLY THE ABSENCE OF A MEASURE IS IS THE MAIN ISSUE. THAT'S MY CONCERN. YEAH. AND SO I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVING JUST SOMETHING TO GO BY IS A GOOD IDEA. HOW THAT'S MEASURED IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT BECAUSE LIKE MR. DICKMAN SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD COMPARE TURNOUT TO ELECTIONS, BUT ELECTIONS ARE ONLY BASED ON REGISTERED VOTERS IN THE CITY AND NOT NECESSARILY ALL RESIDENTS TO. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS, BUT HAVING A SPECIFIC TYPE OF MEASURE, WHATEVER THAT IS, AT LEAST AS A STARTING POINT, PROBABLY IS A GOOD IDEA. I WILL PROVIDE THAT. I WILL DO MY BEST TO GET THAT TO YOU. BY THE END OF THE DAY, I WILL OFFER. I MEAN, THE OBVIOUS ONE IS, IS TURNOUT. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S A THAT'S A VERY. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. ANOTHER TURNOUT FOR LOCAL VOTES. I MEAN FOR THE COUNCIL.

YEAH. SO AND THEN THE PRESIDENTIAL I MEAN I KNOW THAT THEY ARE GOING TO BE TAKING

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AND I THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE THIS AT THE BEGINNING. AND THEY GOT ASKED A MONTH AGO, AND I'M REALLY QUITE FRUSTRATED THAT THEY HAVEN'T COME BACK. I WILL, I PROMISE YOU THAT ERICA AND I WILL REACH OUT TO THEM TODAY AND MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THAT, AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT WE GET A LIST OF SOME TYPES OF MEASURABLE WHAT THEY'RE WHAT, WHAT IS IN THEIR MINDS, AND GET THAT BACK TO YOU. BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT REALLY BEFORE TOMORROW, BECAUSE POST EVENT IT'S VERY EASY TO SAY, YEAH, WE WERE SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE OF X. THAT'S FAIR. WELL, ERIC AND I CAN WORK ON THAT. I THINK SOMETHING WE COULD DO. SO THEY MUST HAVE A LOCATION, THE VENUE. RIGHT. AND SO THE VENUE HAS TO BE SET UP WITH A CERTAIN NUMBER OF SEATS. SO THEY HAVE SOMETHING THERE AS IT IS TODAY. THERE'S TWO VENUES TOMORROW THERE'S A PLAN TOMORROW FOR A NUMBER OF SEATS, ROUND TABLES. AND AT LEAST GIVE US THAT SO WE KNOW WHAT THE MAX IS THAT THEY PLAN ON DOING. AND IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW WHAT THE MAX IS TO FILL UP THE WHOLE PLACE. RIGHT. SO WE'LL GET YOU SOME QUANTIFIABLE DATA AS FAR AS LIKE NUMBER OF SEATS, TABLES, THINGS LIKE THAT.

WE'LL GET ALL THAT INFORMATION TOGETHER FOR YOU, SCOTT. OH, I'VE GOT A PLETHORA OF THINGS WITH THIS PROJECT. JUST A PLETHORA. FIRST, I'D LIKE TO HAVE JOHNSON PROVIDE A LIST OF ALL PROJECTS THAT THEY HAVE WORKED ON IN COLLIER COUNTY, IN THE CITY OF NAPLES. AND ON WHICH SIDE WERE THEY REPRESENTING DOING THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT? ARE THEY WORKING ON BEHALF OF THE DEVELOPERS OR ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT? I'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT PROVIDED. SECOND, LIKE GOING BACK TO IS THERE A DATE? I WANT TO KNOW THEIR HISTORY ON DOING THIS AND WHAT SIDE OF THE BALL GAME ARE THEY PLAYING? OFFENSE, DEFENSE? ON WHICH SIDE? WHO'S PAYING THEM? SO IT'S THE COUNTY THAT'S PAYING THEM OR THE CITY PAYING THEM, OR WAS IT THE DEVELOPER OF THE PROJECT THAT WAS PAYING THEM IN EITHER VENUE? SIR? THEY RESPONDED TO A THEY ONE SECOND HEAR ME OUT. I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT YOU'RE YOU'RE YOU WANT TO HEAR ME? HEAR YOU UP, BUT YOU WON'T HEAR ME OUT. GO AHEAD, I HEARD. GO AHEAD. I'M NOWHERE NEAR DONE.

I'M NOT I'M NOWHERE NEAR DONE. GO AHEAD. SO IF YOU WANT TO CLEAN IT UP NOW, I THINK THE LINE OF QUESTIONING AND THE ASK OF OF STAFF IS NOT APPROPRIATE. JUST ON. CAN I JUST INTERJECT THERE BECAUSE AS THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, THE THE KEY ELEMENT OF THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD IS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE ARE THE AGENT. THE COUNCIL IS NOT THE AGENT. THE PLANNING BOARD IS THE AGENT FOR THAT. WHILST WE RESPOND BY THE COUNCIL, THAT IS THE TERMINOLOGY. SO I THINK MR. SCHULZ, AS A MEMBER OF THE PAB AND IT'S FINE. YES. I THINK THE QUESTION SHOULD BE POSED TO STAFF, MAYBE NOT DEMANDING ANY ANSWERS FROM STAFF BECAUSE THE STAFF IS OUR AVENUE TO ASK QUESTIONS. WE CAN'T GO AROUND ASKING LOTS OF PEOPLE QUESTIONS.

WE WILL GO THROUGH THE PLANNING STAFF WHO MAY SAY, YES, I CAN ANSWER THAT. I'LL FIND THAT. SO I THINK WE NEED TO BE COURTEOUS AND RESPECTFUL AND MAKE THOSE REQUESTS. BUT I CERTAINLY BELIEVE THAT NOW IS DEFINITELY THE TIME TO RAISE ANY CONCERN THAT ANY MEMBER OF THE BOARD HAS, AND TO RAISE THEM FULLY AND IS IN IN DETAIL AS THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE TO DO SO, BECAUSE THAT IS OUR JOB TO REPRESENT AND PROTECT AND DEFEND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN ITS CONSTRUCTION. THANK YOU FOR FOR THAT. NOW, I APPRECIATE AND RESPECT YOUR OPINION.

OPINIONS ARE LIKE REAR ENDS. EVERYBODY'S GOT ONE. ME TOO. YOU TWO. AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE MADE A PROPOSAL. A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL TO EXPAND THE PUBLIC INPUT TO JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH. THIS BOARD VOTES ON A LOT OF THINGS. RARELY ARE WE SEVEN ZERO ON A ON A BUNCH OF THINGS. WE WERE SEVEN ZERO ON THIS. IT GOES TO COUNCIL AND COUNCIL. JUST SORRY.

DUE TO THE SCHEDULE OF THE CONSULTANTS, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. WE'RE JUST GOING TO JAM IT ALL IN IN A DAY. AND I REALLY TAKE OFFENSE AT COUNCIL TELLING ME I CAN'T PARTICIPATE IN THIS. I AM INSULTED BY THAT. I TOTALLY I'M FLABBERGASTED THAT THEY WOULD

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MY PRIOR LIFE AS CHAIR OF THE COLLIER COUNTY COASTAL STORM RISK MANAGEMENT COMMITTEE, CSM.

THAT PROJECT ENDED UP GETTING SIDETRACKED BECAUSE IT WAS AT THE CHARETTES. NOW YOU'VE GOT WHOSE THUMB IS ON THIS SCALE. THEY DON'T CARE WHAT WE THINK ABOUT GETTING MORE PUBLIC INPUT.

THAT'S SHOCKING. WE HAVE TO MEET THE CONSULTANTS SCHEDULE. WHO ARE THE CONSULTANTS? I WANT TO KNOW THE BACKGROUND. WHAT TEAM HAVE THEY BEEN PLAYING FOR WHEN THEY'VE REPRESENTED THEMSELVES BEFORE THE COUNTY BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS OR PLANNING COMMISSION OR CITY COUNCIL OR THE PAB? WHO ARE WHO ARE THESE FOLKS? AND THEN THEY HAVE THIS THIS SCHEDULE THAT'S SO COMPRESSED WHEN NOBODY'S IN TOWN. THE RESIDENTS SHOULD BE SHOCKED, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW.

YES, THERE'S BEEN AN EFFORT MADE RECENTLY TO SEND OUT EMAILS. COME, COME, COME. BUT YOU GOT THESE TWO SHOTS. YOUR TWO BITES AT THE APPLE. I FIND THAT TOTALLY APPALLING. MR. SCHULTZ, CAN I CAN I RESPOND TO SOME OF THAT? BECAUSE ONE OF THE TIME I'M STILL NOT DONE. I UNDERSTAND, THAT'S WHY I THINK WE GOT THE DISCUSSION ELEMENT, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS VERY, SAY, PUSHY ON GETTING THIS ON THE REGULAR AGENDA. SO WE DON'T FORGET TO DISCUSS IT BECAUSE IT'S KEY PRIORITY. BUT WHO IS THE CONSULTANT? THE CONSULTANT IS THE PEOPLE WHO PRESENTED BEFORE US, WHO WE ACCEPTED. WE DIDN'T. WE DID ACCEPT THEM. WE SUCKED THAT UP. I UNDERSTOOD THAT, BUT THEY CAME BEFORE US AND WE ACCEPTED. I AGREED THAT LOOKING AT THE BACKGROUND OF THE CONSULTANTS IS A VALUE, BUT NOT. WE'VE GOT TO BE CAREFUL THAT WE DO NOT PUT ANY THUMB ON THE SCALE. AT THE SAME TIME, WE'VE GOT A HISTORY AND THEY REPORTED THE HISTORY OF THE SKILLS AND THE MAKEUP OF THE TEAM. AND TO BE HONEST, I'VE BEEN QUITE IMPRESSED WITH THE MAKEUP OF THE TEAM. I UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE FUNDING AND THE SUPPORT OF THE REPORT, BUT THAT IS A QUESTION THAT WE CAN FAIRLY ASK. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOUR POINT. TO BE TOLD, LESS THAN 24 HOURS BEFORE THE MEETING THAT WE'VE BEEN ASKED NOT TO PARTICIPATE. I WOULD IGNORE THAT ANYHOW, BECAUSE THAT'S A REQUEST. JUST LIKE OUR REQUEST TO CHANGE THE DATES WAS REJECTED. I DO NOT THINK ANY COUNCIL MEMBER CAN TELL US NOT TO PARTICIPATE. AS A RESIDENT, I DO BELIEVE WE SHOULD BE EXTREMELY CAREFUL IN OUR POSITION THAT DO WE NOT, THAT WE DO NOT JEOPARDIZE OUR PROFESSIONALISM AS A PAB MEMBER, BUT TO BE TOLD 24 HOURS BEFORE A MEETING THAT MANY WILL HAVE PREPARED FOR NOT TO PARTICIPATE IS NOT SATISFACTORY, AND I DO NOT. I PERSONALLY WOULD NOT BE TAKING HEED TO THAT, BECAUSE I DO NOT THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO RAISE IT 24 HOURS BEFORE. CAN I JUST CLARIFY THAT IT'S IN THE MEMORANDUM THAT WAS PUBLISHED ONE WEEK AGO? I INCLUDED THAT IN THE MEMORANDUM, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE.

SO THAT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED FOR A WEEK. I JUST WHEN JOHNSON CAME HERE, THEY HAD ALREADY HAD A SIGNED CONTRACT. WE DIDN'T THE CONTRACT WAS SIGNED BY CITY HALL. CITY HALL WAS THIS WAS A WHILE AGO, THAT'S ALL. THIS SCHEDULE GOT STUCK DOWN OUR THROATS. IT WAS ALREADY DONE.

FAIT ACCOMPLI. WE WERE HERE LISTENING TO HIM, BUT I DON'T RECALL THAT EVER BEING A VOTE BY US TO APPROVE THEM. I DON'T BELIEVE I NEVER SAW THAT ON ANY AGENDA. I HAVE BEEN A PART OF THIS BOARD. WE DO NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO APPROVE AND TO DEDICATE ANY FUNDING FOR ANY SERVICE PROVIDER. THEN WE HAVE THE WE HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY TO ASK THE APPROPRIATE QUESTIONS BEFORE THEM. AND WE'VE HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY, WHETHER WE TOOK THE OPPORTUNITY OR NOT, WE'VE HAD THAT OPPORTUNITY. SO I AGREE WITH ALL YOUR CONCERNS. BUT JUST LIKE I'M SAYING TO BE TOLD, YOU KNOW, AN HOUR BEFORE THE GUN GOES OFF FOR THE START, THAT WE RAISE THIS CONCERN AND ALL THE CONCERNS CAN BE FOLLOWED UP LATER. AND THERE ARE ALL THE QUESTIONS CAN BE APPROPRIATELY LAID BEFORE THEM. BUT I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE DOING ANYTHING TO, LET'S SAY, SOIL THE THE AGENDA FOR TOMORROW OR TO DECRY ITS IMPORTANCE. AND I THINK IF WE DEBATE IN PUBLIC ABOUT HOW WE'RE UNHAPPY ABOUT THINGS, I THINK IT SENDS A NEGATIVE MESSAGE OF SUPPORT TO THE PROCESS. I THINK WE NEED TO GO THROUGH WITH THE PROCESS. I THINK WE'RE VERY RIGHT TO GET APPROPRIATE PERFORMANCE MEASURES AS TO WHAT'S GOOD, WHAT'S BAD, AND HAVING THEM AFTER THE EVENT IS A LITTLE THAT IS PUTTING YOUR THUMB ON THE SCALE. AND I THINK THE STAFF AND LEGAL COUNSEL HAVE SAID THAT THEY'RE GOING TO WORK TO DO THAT. SO I DO THINK ALL THE CONCERNS YOU HAVE SHOULD REMAIN SO. AND I HOPEFULLY YOU SAID YOU'VE GOT MORE AS WELL, WHICH ARE GREAT, AND THEY SHOULD CARRY ON FORWARD BECAUSE THIS PROCESS IS BEGINNING. IT'S NOT FINISHED. THANK YOU FOR FOR ALL THAT THIS PROCESS I BELIEVE IS ALREADY PREORDAINED. I THINK I THINK THIS TRAIN LEFT THE STATION A WHILE AGO, AND WE'RE

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OUR CHANCE TO TO SPEAK WAS LAST NAME UNANIMOUS, THAT WE THINK THERE SHOULD BE MORE PUBLIC INPUT. AND THAT GOT PASSED BECAUSE I'M SORRY, IT'S GOING TO INTERRUPT THE SCHEDULE OF THE CONSULTANTS. WELL, A HALF BAKED PROCESS IS A HALF BAKED PROCESS IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE PUBLIC INPUT, WHICH WE WERE UNANIMOUS ON IN COUNCIL. WELL, WE'RE GOING TO GET THIS DOG AND PONY SHOW. WE CAN'T WE CAN'T DEVIATE FROM THE CONTRACT. IT MAY COST A LITTLE MORE MONEY OKAY. SO IT COSTS A LITTLE MORE MONEY, BUT THE PUBLIC HAS HAD A CHANCE TO WEIGH IN IS MY MY VIEW. SO IF THE SCHEDULE GETS PUT OFF A BIT. FRANKLY, SCARLETT, I WANT THE JOB TO BE DONE, RIGHT? I MEAN, IN MY INVESTMENT WORLD BUSINESS, WHEN SOMEONE CAME IN WITH RESOURCES AND STATEMENTS AND WHERE THEY HAD BEEN INVESTED, I HAD TO GO THROUGH EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE THINGS. I TOOK MY TIME AND MULTIPLE TIMES I WOULD CALL HIM BACK AND DISCUSS, HOW DID THIS COME ABOUT? IN THIS CASE, THE TIME THAT IT CAME HERE WE THE CONTRACT WAS SIGNED. SO I DON'T AGREE THAT I EVER VOTED TO ACCEPT THOSE PEOPLE. JOHNSON. AS THE PEOPLE BE DOING THIS, ANOTHER COMPONENT AND THE RESILIENCY PART. WHEN I BROUGHT UP THE FACT THAT OUR WASTEWATER, DRINKING WATER, STORMWATER, THE COMPUTER SYSTEMS THAT CONTROL THAT STUFF, THAT THEY CONSIDER THAT PART OF THE RESILIENCY SYSTEM. JUST BEFORE YOU GO ON TO THE NEXT POINT, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE ANY POINT, WE HAVE NOT GOT THE THE DUTY OR RIGHT TO REFUSE OR ACCEPT ANYBODY WHO COMES BEFORE US FOR THE FOR THE THING. AND WE'VE GOT A, WE'VE GOT A DUTY AND A RIGHT TO ASK THEM TO CONSIDER THIS AND TO GO THERE. BUT WE DO NOT HAVE IT IS NOT FOR US TO MAKE THE DECISION WHICH CONSULTANTS GET THE JOB. OUR OUR EFFECT SHOULD BE AS TO WHAT POINTS OF THAT JOB ARE COMPLETED. SO I AGREE ABOUT THE DATES, AND I TOTALLY AGREE ABOUT HAVING MORE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE INVOLVED. THAT'S NOT FINISHED YET. WE DOESN'T. I UNDERSTAND THEY DIDN'T WANT TO BRING THE DATES FORWARD AND BACKWARDS. WE HAVEN'T FINISHED THAT DISCUSSION. THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE AGREED TO THE SCHEDULE, AND WE CAN TRY TO CONVINCE THE CONSULTANTS AND. BUT LET'S SEE WHAT THE FIRST ROUND BRINGS.

BECAUSE IF THAT BRINGS OVERWHELMING CONTRIBUTION, WHAT THAT CONTRIBUTION IS WE CAN'T CONTROL. MY BIG THING IS TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE INVOLVED. WHAT THEY SAY AND DON'T SAY IS WHAT THEY SAY, AND IF THEY HAVE AN OVERWHELMING TURNOUT, THEN ALL OUR FEARS AND CONCERNS MAY HAVE BEEN QUELLED. MAY HAVE BEEN. BUT LET'S SEE WHAT HAPPENS ON THIS FIRST THING, AND THEN LET'S PICK UP THE MANTLE AS SOON AS WE SEE SOME EVIDENCE. I WOULD ALSO REMIND THE PAB THAT THERE WAS A MEMBER OF THE BOARD ON THE SELECTION COMMITTEE. I MEAN, WE DID OUR BEST TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD WAS VERY INVOLVED IN THE SELECTION OF THIS CONSULTANT.

WE HAD A PAB MEMBER ON THE SELECTION COMMITTEE THAT WAS INVOLVED THROUGH THE ENTIRE PROCESS. SO I JUST I KNOW YOU WEREN'T ON THE BOARD YET, AND THERE WERE A NUMBER OF YOU THAT WEREN'T ON THE BOARD, BUT THE PAB WAS VERY INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS. AND I WOULD ALSO ADD, I MEAN, BECAUSE I DID READ THE SOLICITATION, WHICH WAS WRITTEN BEFORE OUR FIRM WAS HIRED, WHICH WAS OVER A YEAR AGO. THE SOLICITATION WAS WRITTEN BY BY THE CITY. AND I BELIEVE, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN VERY DETAILED TIMELINES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, SO THAT WHEN COMPANIES BID ON A PROJECT OF THIS NATURE, WHICH IS A LONG, COMPLICATED NATURE, THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TO PUT IN THEIR THEIR BIDS. AND THOSE THOSE BIDS ARE VETTED BY A COMMITTEE.

AND THEN THE ONES THAT GO TO THE THE LEGISLATIVE BODY, THAT THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DECIDE.

YES. AND THIS BOARD DID REVIEW THE DRAFTS OF THE RFP, WHICH INCLUDED THE TIMELINE AND THE SCHEDULE AND THE DELIVERABLES FROM THE CONSULTANT. SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE A REMINDER THAT THE THE PAB HAS BEEN DEEPLY INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, BEFORE THE COMMITTEE WAS EVEN OR THE BEFORE THE CONSULTANT WAS EVEN CHOSEN, THAT THAT MAY BE THE CASE. BUT YOU MADE A POINT EARLIER WHEN THEY CAME HERE AND SPOKE, WE THAT WAS OUR TACIT

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BUT BUT I'M NOT TRYING TO SUPPRESS ANY POINTS YOU'VE, YOU'VE GOT TO MAKE. I AGREE WITH MOST OF YOUR POINTS. THAT'S WHY I SAID YOU CAN'T UNSCRAMBLE AN EGG OR UNWIND A WATCH. THAT SHIP HAS SAILED. BUT I IS MY ACTIVE MEMBERSHIP ON THIS BOARD. I HAD NO SAY IN ANY OF THAT, SO THAT'S FINE. I ACCEPT THAT, WHICH IS WHAT PROMPTED ME TO DO WHAT I'M DOING OUTSIDE OF HERE. AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHEN CITY COUNCIL IGNORES US AND THEN PUTS THE PREFERENCES AND CONCERNS OF THE CONSULTANT AHEAD OF US, THE NUMBER ONE BOARD, AS YOU SAY, THE CHIEF BODY FOR LAND USE IN THE CITY, THEN I'M DUMBFOUNDED. AND THEN THE PROHIBITION ON US BEING ABLE TO ATTEND HIM, THAT'S EVEN MORE OBNOXIOUS. AND I FULLY INTEND TO BE THERE. AND I JUST DON'T THINK THAT THE PUBLIC HAS ANYWHERE NEAR THE ADEQUATE TIME TO PROVIDE INPUT THAT WE NEED AS A AS A PAB. BUT AS A PAB, WE JUST GOT DEEP SIXED. ANYWAY.

COUNCIL. COUNCIL JUST SAID NO, WE THIS IS ENOUGH PUBLIC INPUT. I'M SORRY, I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S REMOTELY ENOUGH PUBLIC INPUT. THAT'S JUST WHERE MY WHERE MY DOG AND PONY SHOW IS. SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE YOU'RE TRYING TO GET TO THAT. LET'S JUST GET MOVING ALONG AND LET THE PROCESS WORK OUT. NO I'M NOT I'M THAT'S DEFINITELY NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. IN THE PREVIOUS MEETING I MADE THE COMMENTS AND HOPE AND THEY'LL BE RECORDED. I WILL NOT SIT ON THE BOARD AND ALLOW WHAT HAPPENED A YEAR AGO, WHEN WE WAS PUSHED AND ENCOURAGED BY LEGAL COUNSEL AND BY STAFF, AND I UNDERSTAND THE REASONS WHY TO PUSH FORWARD ACCEPTING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PLAN TO MEET THE DEADLINE FOR THE STATE. AND I, I WOULDN'T SAY I FAILED, BUT I DIDN'T DO A GREAT JOB AS A MEMBER OF THE PAB, AND I THINK MR. CHRIS WAS ALSO ON THE BOARD AT THAT TIME. WE WERE ENCOURAGED TO MOVE THIS BECAUSE IT'S AN URGENT THING AND WE NEED TO GET THAT, AND I DO. I'M NOT HAPPY THAT I REPRESENTED MYSELF WELL BY ALLOWING THAT TO HAPPEN. AND I SAID, I WILL NOT LET THAT HAPPEN. NOW, I'M AWARE OF THAT. THE POINT YOU ARE MAKING ARE TOTALLY SOUND, TOTALLY SOLID AND BUT WE NEED TO SEE A LITTLE BIT MORE EVIDENCE AND WE WILL SEE THAT. AND IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THE WHAT THE COUNCIL HAVE AGREED IS ADEQUATE MEETINGS ARE ENOUGH PUBLIC INTERACTION. BUT IT MAY BE WE MAY NOT BE CORRECT. WE MAY HAVE A PEOPLE IN STANDING OUTSIDE TO FIT IN THE MEETINGS TOMORROW AND THE FOLLOWING MEETINGS, WHICH WOULD BE ADEQUATE, BUT WE MAY NOT. AND WE NEED TO RAISE OUR CONCERN AND KEEP THOSE CONCERNS ALIGHT AND KEEP DRIVING, BECAUSE THE PROCESS IS NOT DONE AND DUSTED.

THE. AS I UNDERSTAND, EACH ROOM CAN TAKE 250 PEOPLE. SO EVEN IF YOU HAD THEM HANGING OFF THE RAFTERS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT 500 MAX. WITHOUT FIRE CODE PROBLEMS. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PUT TVS OUTSIDE SO PEOPLE CAN WATCH AND PARTICIPATE. SO THE MAX WE'RE GOING TO GET IS 500. AND I BELIEVE THE POPULATION OF THIS TOWN IS WELL OVER 19,000. SO I'M JUST I'M FINDING THIS WHOLE PROCESS OBJECTIONABLE, AS I FOUND MUCH OF THE ARMY CORPS PROJECT THAT I ENDED UP BEING CHAIR OF, THAT THIS WAS A PREORDAINED SYSTEM GOING DOWN THE TRACK. WHY THERE'S A BIG RUSH IS BEYOND ME. WE'RE LOOKING AT 25 YEARS OF OF THE NEXT 20 YEARS, EXCUSE ME, IN NAPLES, ON HOW WE WANT THE COMMUNITY TO LOOK. AND THIS HAS TO BE A RUSHED PROCESS. WHY THE DEADLINES ARE GENERALLY SELF-IMPOSED. DID SOMEBODY SAY EVERY CITY MUST HAVE THIS DONE BY THIS DATE? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. AND THEN WHAT? WHAT WHAT WAS THE POOL OF APPLICANTS LIKE? YOUR POINT THAT'S CAN'T UNSCRAMBLE THE EGG OR UNWIND. THE WATCH CONTRACT WAS SIGNED WHEN THOSE FOLKS SHOWED UP. WHEN I ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT, ARE YOU GOING TO CONSIDER ANY RESILIENCY, HARDENING THE COMPUTERS THAT RUN OUR BASIC ESSENTIALS, I GOT CRICKETS, CRICKETS. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A CONCERN. AND WE AGAIN UNANIMITY IS TOUGH TO GET WITH WITH SEVEN PEOPLE HERE. AND WE WERE UNANIMOUS IN COUNCIL SAID WE'RE GOING WITH WE'RE GOING THIS OTHER WAY. SO I'M CONVINCED THAT THIS TRAIN HAS LEFT THE TRACKS. AND WHEN I WAS IN INVESTMENT BUSINESS, IF I PUT A STOP LOSS IN, IF I BOUGHT A SECURITY, I NEVER THOUGHT A

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AND YOU'RE RIGHT. WE CANNOT LET IT GO BY WITHOUT TAKING FULL ADVANTAGE OF WHAT'S BEFORE US.

BUT THE CURRENT CONSULTANTS HAVE ALREADY COMPLETED WHAT THEY BID ON. AND THAT SECTION THAT YOU RELATE TO, WHICH I THINK IS AN APPROPRIATE SECTION, IS NOT INCLUDED IN THAT BID.

AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT MAY BE THAT CAN BE PUT FORWARD AS ANOTHER ASK, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A RELEVANT ONE IF IF I MAY. YEAH. IF I COULD JUST ADDRESS ONE THING, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS HERE. AND THE REASON I'M SPEAKING A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THIS TOPIC IS BECAUSE THE COUNCIL DID AMEND OUR CITY ATTORNEY CONTRACT TO INCLUDE MY INVOLVEMENT IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS, JUST BECAUSE OF MY BACKGROUND. I WAS A PLANNER BEFORE I WAS AN ATTORNEY, AND I HAVE A MASTER'S IN URBAN REGIONAL PLANNING. SO THEY THEY SAW IT AS A VALUABLE ADDITION TO THAT. I HAVE TO TAKE ISSUE WITH THE CHARACTERIZATION OF THIS BEING A DONE DEAL THAT THE COUNCIL DIDN'T CONSIDER CERTAIN THINGS. I WAS AT THE COUNCIL MEETING WHEN THIS WHEN YOU'RE ASKED THE ASK TO MOVE THE THE MEETINGS, IT WASN'T JUST A QUICK CONVERSATION, IT WAS IT WAS TALKED ABOUT QUITE LENGTHY. AND I THINK THERE WAS A DECISION TO TRY TO TO BUILD IN SOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AS IT GETS INTO MARCH. I BELIEVE THAT IS IN THE STAFF REPORT. BUT IT WASN'T JUST THEY WERE. I HEARD A LOT OF RESPECT FOR THE POSITION, BUT THIS, AS THEY SAID, IT'S THE COUNCIL'S DECISION. THEY DID TALK ABOUT IT QUITE A BIT AND I AND FROM MY VIEW, MY VANTAGE POINT, I DON'T SEE ANY, ANY, ANY, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUS CONTROL OVER THIS PROCESS IS UNFOLDING THE WAY IT SHOULD AS A PLANNING PROCESS. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING. I'M GOING TO GO TO THESE MEETINGS. I'M GOING TO OBSERVE THESE MEETINGS. I'M GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN THEM AS IS. AND YOU HAVE AN ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY OR ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER HERE WHO'S ALSO VERY INVOLVED IN IT. SO IT'S NOT I DON'T WANT THE PUBLIC TO HEAR A MESSAGE THAT THIS IS A FINAL DECISION ALREADY MADE AND THAT THE COUNCIL'S NOT LISTENING.

THEY ARE LISTENING AND THEY'RE LISTENING TO YOU. I, I WATCHED THAT I WAS THERE, I WATCHED IT, SO I, I GUESS YOU HAD A BETTER SEAT THAN I DID, BUT I DID WATCH IT. I THINK TWO PEOPLE CAN SEE AND HEAR THE SAME THING AND HAVE A DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. THAT'S WHY I'VE GIVEN YOU MY PROFESSIONAL PERSPECTIVE AND I'M GIVING YOU MINE. WHATEVER. I WAS BUYING A STOCK OR SELLING A STOCK. THERE WAS A PERSON ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT TRADE. SOMEONE WAS SELLING IT TO ME AT A PRICE THEY DEEMED WAS FAIR. I DEEMED WAS FAIR. WHEN I WAS SELLING IT, I SAY, WHO WOULD BUY THIS THING? BUT SOMEBODY DID. SO YEAH, OPINIONS. THEY, THEY GO AND IN EVERY TRADE THERE'S A BUYER AND A SELLER WHO AGREE AT A PRICE. THAT'S MUTUAL. THAT'S WHAT I SEE. AND ON THIS SITUATION I OBSERVE THAT, YES, THERE WAS DISCUSSION AND YES, RESPECT WAS PAID TO THE PAB. BUT THE END, I BELIEVE THE VOTE WAS, WAS SEVEN OH TO PROCEED. AND THAT YOU KNOW THAT I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH. BUT I'VE HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH THIS THING BECAUSE I BELIEVE THE TERM RESILIENCY, IF YOU ASKED 20,000 PEOPLE, YOU MIGHT GET 20,000 ANSWERS. AND PART OF RESILIENCY IS THE COMPUTER SYSTEM IS PART OF RESILIENCY IN MY WORLD. SO IF THE COMPUTER SYSTEM ISN'T HARDENED, WE CAN'T HAVE A RANSOMWARE EVENT LIKE WHAT HAPPENED WITH CONTINENTAL PIPELINE SEVERAL YEARS AGO, WHERE THEY SHUT DOWN THE WHOLE EAST COAST FOR NATURAL GAS BECAUSE SOME GUY IN A HOODIE SOMEWHERE IN BERLIN, OR SOMEBODY SHUT THE SYSTEM DOWN AND TOOK IT HOSTAGE. AND THERE ARE A BUNCH OF BAD ACTORS

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THE DECISIONS HAD BEEN LOOKED AT. THERE WILL BE NEW INFORMATION THAT COMES UP, WHICH ARE. THAT'S A GOOD POINT, AND WE NEED TO ADD YOUR POINT ABOUT THE IT. I DON'T THINK IT IS GOING TO HAVE ANY FURTHER BENEFIT TRYING TO SCREW IT ON THE SIDE OF WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. WE SHOULD HAVE THE CURRENT CONTRACT CARRIED OUT. THERE SHOULD BE MEASURES OF PERFORMANCE WHICH HAVE IDENTIFIED, AND MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED SEPARATELY TO THE SIDE, BUT STILL LINKING TO TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AT THE END. THE END IS NOT NOW. THE END WILL BE WE WILL HAVE INPUT ON THAT. AND I THINK IT'S EXTREMELY IMPORTANT THAT OUR INPUT AND THE GUIDANCE FROM THE PUBLIC, JUST ON THE PUBLIC, IF THE PUBLIC ISN'T INTERESTED AND DON'T TURN UP, THEY'VE GOT THAT RIGHT AS WELL. IF THEY DON'T, IF THEY'RE NOT AS PASSIONATE AS YOU OR I OR OTHER PEOPLE ARE, THEY'VE GOT THAT RIGHT TO NOT PARTICIPATE AND GO WITH THE. THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO IS TO ENSURE THAT THE THE OPPORTUNITIES ARE THERE, AND THAT THERE SHOULD BE SOME MEASUREMENT AS TO WHAT, WHETHER IT'S BEEN REALIZED WHAT THE RESULTS ARE, ARE THE RESULTS AS LONG HOW WILL I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS LOTS OF PEOPLE INVOLVED. SO WE DO GET A GOOD MIX IF THE ANSWER OR THE OUTCOME ISN'T WHAT I THINK IS RIGHT, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THAT PARTICIPATION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, AND THAT WE STOP THE WHEELS FROM WOBBLING TOO FAR BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO WOBBLE AS WE GO ALONG. JUST LIKE THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS GOING TO BE AN ONGOING THING. BUT BUT IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, IN THE PLAN IN WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS RESILIENCY. STAFF CAN HELP ME WITH THIS. IS RESILIENCY.

RESILIENCY PART OF THIS PROCESS FROM JOHNSON? ABSOLUTELY. IT IS IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S PART OF THEY HAVE A RESILIENCY EXPERT, AND IT WILL BE WOVEN INTO ALL THE ELEMENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. RIGHT. WE ALSO HAVE SEPARATELY RESILIENCY BEING ADDRESSED IN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT WAYS THROUGH THE CITY. THE NATURAL RESOURCES DEPARTMENT IS ALSO WORKING ON A SEPARATE INITIATIVE FOR RESILIENCY. WE HAVE IF YOU GO ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE, ON THE NATURAL RESOURCES PAGE, THEY HAVE A WHOLE TAB FOR RESILIENCY AND ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS AND THE STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE, CRITICAL ASSETS, WE HAVE. I MEAN, THIS HAS BEEN A TOPIC THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED, INCLUDING CYBERSECURITY. DEPUTY CITY MANAGER, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME, JUST TO SPEAK FOR A MOMENT, ALL OF THE I REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO TO CLICK ON IT.

I BELIEVE SOME OF YOU HAVE ALREADY DONE SO IN NAPLES 2045. ALL OF THE OTHER PLANS THAT ARE INFORMING THE PROCESS, INCLUDING THE CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE ONE WHICH INCLUDES ELEMENTS OF CYBERSECURITY, PARAMOUNT ALL THOSE ARE THERE AND THEY HAVE INFORMED THE FINDINGS THAT WE HAVE TO DATE. WE WILL HAVE THESE MEASURES TO YOU. WE ALSO WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT ON THE WEBSITE RIGHT NOW, IF SOMEONE'S NOT HERE, AND I WANT TO ENCOURAGE THE PUBLIC TO GO TO THE WEBSITE, THERE IS A FORM AND QUESTIONNAIRE FOR YOU TO PARTICIPATE. RIGHT NOW THAT'S GOING TO BE USED AT THE IN PERSON MEETING. SO JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN'T COME IN PERSON DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU CAN'T PARTICIPATE. IT. W-W-W NAPLES 2040 5.COM. THE OTHER POINT I WANTED TO BRING UP IS THAT THIS BOARD AND CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE A JOINT MEETING ON JANUARY 20TH, SO YOU WILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO COUNCIL

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SO I ENCOURAGE YOU, IF YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS OR QUESTIONS, TO ALSO PROVIDE THEM AT THAT TIME.

THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND JUST ON THAT POINT, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE DO THAT BEFORE TIME TO MAKE SURE TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY. AND I THINK GREG'S BEEN WAITING A LONG TIME TO ACTUALLY HAVE SOME INPUT. WELL THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS. ONE, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH ANDREW'S CHARACTERIZATION OF THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING WHERE OUR RECOMMENDATION, WHICH I WHICH I BELIEVE AND I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT IT WAS SCOTT'S MOTION, WE UNANIMOUSLY RECOMMENDED TO THE CITY COUNCIL THAT WE PUSH BACK THE THE PUBLIC INPUT. SO THAT WAS MORE CONCENTRATED IN THE JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH TIME FRAME. I STILL WISH WE WOULD DO THAT, BUT BUT I UNDERSTAND THE THE CITY COUNCIL'S RATIONALE. I DON'T THINK IT WAS PUSHED THROUGH THROUGH THE BY THE, BY THE CONSULTANTS. I THINK IT WAS JUST A RATIONAL DECISION, NOT ONE THAT I AGREE WITH, BUT RATIONAL DECISION BY THE CITY COUNCIL. SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE ON RESILIENCY. YOU KNOW, SCOTT, I'M NOT. HAVE YOU SEEN THE THE CITY OF NAPLES RESILIENCY PLAN FROM 2025? IT LOOKS LIKE THIS.

IT'S A DRAFT PLAN RIGHT NOW. I WAS ABLE TO GET AHOLD OF IT. AND IT ACTUALLY TALKS ABOUT SOME OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THAT I THINK THAT YOU'VE RAISED. THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.

INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY SERVICES. TALKING ABOUT HARDENING THOSE, THOSE SERVICES MOSTLY FROM, YOU KNOW, STORM DAMAGE AND WIND AND STUFF. I UNDERSTAND I WAS TALKING TO ERICA BEFORE THE MEETING TODAY ABOUT RESILIENCY, AND SHE MENTIONED THAT THAT THESE PLANS ARE UNDERWAY TO DO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'RE COMPLAINING THAT SHOULD BE DONE BY THE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

NOW, MAYBE THEY SHOULD BE COVERED BY THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT IT CAN'T BE THE FOCUS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A LOT GOING ON. SO THAT'S WHY THE CITY IS DOING THESE SORTS OF THINGS. AND SO I THINK WE HAVE TO DO OUR HOMEWORK BEFORE WE COME TO THESE MEETINGS SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE COMPLAINING ABOUT. AND SO LET ME JUST SAY NOW THAT THAT ONCE WE GET DONE WITH THIS DISCUSSION, I THINK WE SHOULD BE MAKING A MOTION THAT BY WHATEVER PERFORMANCE STANDARDS ARE SET UP FOR THE SUCCESS OF THE PUBLIC, THE PUBLIC MEETINGS, THAT THAT WILL HAPPEN TOMORROW, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE THE CITY COUNCIL TO HAVE ANOTHER MEETING AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. I WOULD SAY IN DECEMBER, POSSIBLY EARLY JANUARY, MAYBE EARLY JANUARY WOULD BE BETTER IF WE FEEL LIKE THE PERFORMANCE STANDARDS AREN'T MET IN TERMS OF THE TURNOUT TURNOUT. BUT AS ANDREW SAID EARLIER, WE DON'T KNOW. THE TURNOUT MAY BE SPECTACULAR AND ALL OF OUR CONCERNS ARE ALLAYED BY THAT. BUT BUT ANYWAY, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT RECOMMENDING TO CITY COUNCIL THAT WE HAVE ANOTHER MEETING IF THINGS SEEM TO FALL SHORT. AND SO IT'S NOT A DONE DEAL. WE STILL HAVE OUR OPPORTUNITY TO ADVISE. WE ARE AN ADVISORY BOARD, AND SO THE CITY COUNCIL TAKES OUR ADVICE INTO ACCOUNT AND THEN MAKES THE BEST JUDGMENT THAT THEY CAN.

AND SO I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I HAVE FAITH IN THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY STAFF IN RUNNING THIS PROJECT WITH OUR INPUT, AND I THINK WE JUST NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT HOW CAREFUL, YOU KNOW, ABOUT DOING OUR HOMEWORK. AND, YOU KNOW, CRITICIZING WERE WARRANTED. SO THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY ABOUT THAT. YEAH. JUST TO ECHO GREG AND ANDREW, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE AN ADVISORY BOARD. WE WE DO HAVE A, YOU KNOW, PART IN THIS PROCESS. AND, YOU KNOW, THIS STARTED QUITE A BIT A TIME AGO. AND WE DID HAVE A REPRESENTATION IN THE SELECTION OF THE FIRM. SO THE BEST WE CAN DO IS KEEP MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS ALONG TO CITY COUNCIL AND ALSO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE FACT THAT WE WILL HAVE A PART IN IT. WE ARE AT THE BEGINNING STAGE OF THIS AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE'LL HAVE A JOINT MEETING IN THE FUTURE AND JUST, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE THAT ALONG THE PROCESS AT THOSE STAGES, WE REALLY KIND OF USE OUR POSITION ON THIS BOARD AT THAT POINT TO COME ACROSS AND KIND OF WE DON'T NECESSARILY WE NEED TO JUST BE CAREFUL. WE DON'T WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY KIND OF UNNECESSARY DEMANDS AT THIS STAGE BECAUSE IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT IS A PROCESS THAT HAS TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE ITS COURSE. I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THERE IS THERE RIGHT NOW SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT WE SHOULD HAVE DONE, MAYBE DONE WHATEVER IT IS. I THINK THAT THAT'S WE NEED TO START, THAT WE GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT CAN WE DO GOING FORWARD. SO I THINK THE RIGHT NOW, WE KNOW THAT THIS MEETING

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EVEN SOME RAW RAW DATA, BASIC OBJECTIVE DATA FOR WHAT IT WAS. OKAY. AND I GUESS THE QUESTION IS THERE'S OPPORTUNITIES FOR MORE INPUT IS FROM ANOTHER QUESTIONNAIRE. IS THAT CORRECT? YES THERE IS, THERE IS. SO AND IF I CAN ADD AFTER YOUR JOINT MEETING WITH COUNCIL IN FEBRUARY, AFTER THE ELECTION, THERE WILL BE A SECOND ROUND OF THESE EXACT SAME COMMUNITY MEETINGS. SO THERE, THERE WE'RE WE'RE IN THE BEGINNING OF THE ENGAGEMENT PROCESS. SO THERE STILL ARE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES. SO WE'LL WHEN IS THE QUESTIONNAIRE GET DRAFTED AND WHEN'S IT GET FINALIZED FOR THE FOR THE QUESTIONNAIRE. WHAT'S THAT. IT'S LIVE ON THE WEBSITE NOW. AND THAT'S THE WAY BACK WHEN WE HAD A QUESTIONNAIRE THAT WENT, YOU KNOW, THAT EVERYBODY ASKED, YOU KNOW, TEN PAGES OF STUFF AND STUFF. IS THIS WHAT WE HAVE THE THE DIVISION ONE? BUT WE THEY'VE UPDATED THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, ONE THAT'S LIVE AND ON THE SITE YOU JUST REGISTER, YOU CAN OKAY. THAT'S GOING TO BE AND IT'S ALSO YOU CAN HAVE THE SAME PARTICIPATION ONLINE AS WHAT'S GOING TO BE GOING ON IN THE MEETINGS OVER THE NEXT TWO DAYS. SO ANYBODY WHO CAN'T ATTEND CAN STILL PARTICIPATE WITH THAT QUESTIONNAIRE IS LIKE IT WAS LAST TIME, WHERE IT'S A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ABOUT ALL SORTS OF ASPECTS OF WHAT YOU LIKE TO DO AND PRIORITIZING WHETHER YOU LIKE. YES, DIFFERENT THAN THE VISION. BUT YEAH, IT DOES INCLUDE AND IT SORTS OUT, YOU KNOW, YOU SAY, ARE YOU A RESIDENT, WHAT NEIGHBORHOOD DO YOU LIVE IN AND ALL OF THAT. AND IF THERE'S A LINK IN THE IN THE MEMORANDUM THAT I PROVIDED IN YOUR PACKET, THERE'S A LINK ON THE LAST PAGE ON PAGE THREE TO THE WEBSITE, IF THAT'S THE EASIEST WAY FOR YOU TO GET THERE. AND IT'S YOU'LL SEE THE QUESTIONNAIRE. SO THE ONLINE QUESTIONNAIRE IS ONE. IT'S GOING TO BE THERE FOR THE WHOLE PERIOD OF TIME THAT WE'RE AVAILABLE. THAT'S GOING TO BE THE PRIMARY DATA FOR GETTING. MY UNDERSTANDING IS AND THE ELEMENTS OF THAT QUESTION ARE, ARE THE ITEMS THAT WILL BE RAISED AT THE MEETINGS AS WELL. SO YOU'VE GOT UNIFORMITY. SO IT'S A WAY TO PARTICIPATE IF YOU CAN'T PHYSICALLY BE AT THESE PUBLIC HEARING, THESE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS, IT'S A WAY TO PARTICIPATE AND PROVIDE YOUR FEEDBACK. SO WHEN WILL WE GET FEEDBACK FROM THE MEETING? YOU KNOW, ABOUT HOW THE MEETINGS GO? I MEAN I GIVE YOU AN UPDATE EVERY MEETING. SO THE DECEMBER MEETING I WILL INCLUDE IN MY MEMORANDUM. SO THIS IS THE PRIMARY MECHANISM FOR GETTING ONLINE INPUT. I THINK IT'D BE HELPFUL FOR US TO UNDERSTAND EACH ONE OF OUR MEETINGS. HOW MANY WHERE ARE WE. DO WE KNOW? YOU KNOW, BECAUSE IF WE SHOULD THINK THERE'S X NUMBER OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED WHEN WE DID IT 3 OR 4 YEARS AGO, BUT THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THAT RESPONDED TO THE SURVEY.

THE PRIOR ONE I WOULD MAKE A SUGGESTION IS THAT AS WE HAVE THIS ON A REGULAR MONTHLY MEETING AT THE BACKGROUND OF ANY SURVEY USUALLY HAD THE SO MANY CLICKS AND SO MANY THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER THAT WE CAN DO A BASIC SUMMARY AND I CAN GIVE YOU THE NUMBER OF VISITS TO THE WEBSITE. SO WE HAVE ALL OF THAT DATA. HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE VISITED THE WEBSITE? HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE TAKEN THE SURVEY. CAN WE HAVE THAT INCLUDED ON THE MONTHLY THING IN THE FUTURE? AND THAT WILL HELP US SO THAT NOW WE CAN, AS WE'RE GOING ALONG, LOOKING FORWARD, WE CAN DETERMINE ARE WE GETTING INPUT OR NOT. SO WE'LL KNOW IMMEDIATELY, VERY QUICKLY NEXT TIME. I THINK LAST FRIDAY WE HAD OVER 1600 CLICKS ON THE WEBSITE. WE HAD ACTUALLY OVER 1900, 1900. YEAH. AND I KNOW THAT THERE WERE MORE THAN 20,000 EMAILS ON THE, THE THAT WENT OUT IN A BLAST. I'M SURE I RECEIVED IT. I'M SURE SOME OF YOU RECEIVED IT AS WELL. THAT'S A LOT OF EMAILS. HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE SIGNED UP IN ADVANCE TO ATTEND? AS OF LAST FRIDAY WE HAD 200, BUT THAT WAS AS OF LAST FRIDAY. WE WERE CLOSED YESTERDAY FOR VETERANS DAY, SO I'LL GET A BETTER NUMBER TODAY. LOCATIONS. YES. SO EACH ONE CAN HOLD 250 PEOPLE I BELIEVE. IS THAT ACCURATE? I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT. I REMEMBER BEING 200

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PLAY OUT THE GAME. 400 RESIDENTS TOTAL 19,100. MR. SCHULTZ, IF YOU LOOK AT THE.

I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH FROM STATISTICS, IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATISTICS OF THE PEOPLE WHO TURN OUT TO VOTE AT VARIOUS ELECTIONS, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MIDTERMS MAJORS AND LOCALS. YOU CAN ONLY, LET'S SAY, GIVE THE PEOPLE THE OPPORTUNITY. THAT'S OUR JOB IS TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY. BUT THERE'S ALSO A CHANGE IN THE DYNAMIC OF HOW PEOPLE INTERACT AND PARTICIPATE. AND I THINK YOU'LL FIND OUT THAT THE YOU'LL FIND A DRAMATIC INCREASE IN SURVEY SUBMITTALS THAN PREVIOUS SURVEY SUBMITTALS. AND THAT IS THE ALMOST THE EQUIVALENT OF TURNING OUT IN PEOPLE IN TODAY'S ENVIRONMENT. THERE'S BEEN A BIG SHIFT WHERE PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO PUBLICLY SAY WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY THROUGH VARIOUS WHATEVER REASONS, AND THAT IS THE UNIQUE CAPTURE OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN WITH THE SURVEY. AND I THINK THAT WILL THIS YEAR, YOU'LL SEE A MUCH GREATER PROPORTION USING A SURVEY, AS OPPOSED TO TURN UP IN PERSON TO SAY WHAT THEY WANT TO SAY. IN MY LAST TRAVELS SINCE WE LAST MET, MYSELF AND DAN, WE'RE RUNNING FOR CITY COUNCIL. I CAN TELL YOU LESS THAN 2 IN 10 PEOPLE, LESS THAN 2 IN 10 EVEN KNOW A SURVEY IS BEING CONDUCTED. THE PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS. 80% OF THEM DON'T HAVE A BLOODY CLUE. THAT'S A FACT, DAN, UNLESS YOU'RE FINDING SOMETHING DIFFERENT, I SURE AM NOT FINDING IT. YOU SPEAK TO THAT? WELL, I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW.

YEAH, IT IS UP TO THE PUBLIC TO SOME DEGREE. BUT THEN IT'S IT'S GREAT TO THEN KIND OF, YOU KNOW, SPREAD THE WORD OUT TO PEOPLE THAT YOU KNOW, AND GET AS MUCH AWARENESS AS POSSIBLE, YOU KNOW, WITH OTHER VARIOUS BOARDS THAT I'VE BEEN ON AND EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW, TURNOUT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CANNOT NECESSARILY CONTROL. SO THE BEST WE CAN HOPE FOR IS AN ACTIVE TURNOUT.

BUT THE PROCESS HAS TO KIND OF KEEP MOVING FORWARD REGARDLESS OF WHO DECIDES TO TURN OUT. AND THAT'S WHY, YOU KNOW, US AS A BOARD. I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING WE CAN DO IS BE A PART OF THE PROCESS AND ALSO VIEW HOW THIS IS TAKING PLACE. SO EVEN THOUGH WE CAN'T NECESSARILY PARTICIPATE AT THE MEETINGS TOMORROW, I DO THINK IT WOULD BE FANTASTIC FOR ALL OF US TO SHOW UP AT AND IF WE, IT MIGHT ACTUALLY EVEN BE A GREAT IDEA FOR ALL OF US TO SAY WHICH ONES WERE ATTENDING. SO WE CAN JUST MAKE SURE THAT REPRESENTATIVES OF THE BOARD ARE AT BOTH MEETINGS, SO WE CAN JUST KIND OF SEE HOW THAT GOES. WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE THERE.

WE CAN GO. WE JUST HAVE TO OBSERVE. YES. THE QUESTION TO YOU WAS DIRECT HOW MANY FOLKS ARE YOU RUNNING INTO? NO SURVEYS GOING ON. I THIS IS THAT THAT DOESN'T SURPRISE ME.

MOST PEOPLE IN THE IN THE CITY, YOU KNOW. ARE ACTIVE. PEOPLE IN THE CITY ARE AWARE OF THE DARKNESS. YEAH. CAN I CAN I MAKE SOME SUGGESTIONS ONCE AGAIN GOING FORWARD? LET'S FIND SOME OF THE DATA. SO I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SEE IN EACH ONE OF THE MEETINGS CLICKS ON A WEBSITE IS FINE, BUT THE ISSUE WE'RE TRYING TO GET IS GOING TO BE COMPLETED SURVEYS BY LOCATION, SO WE CAN AT LEAST GET THAT. THEN WE'LL AT LEAST FIND THE INPUT AS TO WHAT'S HAPPENED. IF IT TURNS OUT BY BY OUR DECEMBER MEETING AND STUFF THAT WE HAVE 200 PEOPLE, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT HOW MANY COMMUNICATIONS ARE BEING GOING OUT TO THE TO THE RESIDENTS AND STUFF, AND WE GOT TO UP THAT. SO, I MEAN, I THINK 20,000 HAVE GONE UP 20,000 EMAILS. WELL, I WILL I WILL TELL YOU I HAVEN'T I DON'T RECALL SEEING IT SO MYSELF. SO I AGREE, I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE BUT BUT LET'S, LET'S GET SOME FEEDBACK FIRST BEFORE WE START SAYING EVERYTHING'S A DISASTER. WE'VE ALSO SEEN A LOT OF THE TIME TO FIX THINGS. AND I CAN TELL YOU WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN JANUARY. THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, WELL, WE DEALT WITH THAT BACK THEN. WE DEALT WITH IT, BUT THE TRAIN IS GONE. I ALSO

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IF YOU CLICK ON THAT, YOU ARE REGISTERED AND YOU WILL RECEIVE ALL OF THE EMAIL UPDATES FROM THE CONSULTANT AND THE CITY AS WE MOVE FORWARD. THERE'S ALSO AT THE TOP IN THIS BLUE BANNER A COMMENT FORM. SO IF YOU HAVE A COMMENT THAT'S SEPARATE FROM WHAT IS COVERED IN THAT QUESTIONNAIRE, YOU CAN ALWAYS SUBMIT A COMMENT. AND WE'VE IN THE MEETINGS THAT WE'VE HAD, WE'VE DISCUSSED SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE COME IN. IF YOU KNOW A RESIDENT HAS A QUESTION, WE DISCUSS THOSE. SO THAT'S ALSO A HELPFUL WAY TO GET INVOLVED ON YOUR EMAIL. YOU SAID ON THE STAFF ON THE UPDATE, IT SAYS THAT THE ONLINE QUESTIONNAIRE IS OPEN FROM NOVEMBER 6TH TO DECEMBER 6TH. CORRECT. WHAT HAPPENS AFTER DECEMBER 6TH THAT THAT PARTICULAR QUESTIONNAIRE CLOSES? WE WE GET INFORMATION AND MAYBE WE GO BACK FOR QUESTIONNAIRE.

IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT THERE MAY BE ANOTHER ITERATION IF WE GET FEEDBACK. THIS IS THE QUESTIONNAIRE THAT GUIDES THE DRAFTING. RIGHT. SO THEY'RE GOING TO USE THE FEEDBACK FROM BOTH THESE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND THE QUESTIONNAIRE TO DO THE DRAFTING OF THE ELEMENTS. AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO GO INTO THE NEXT PHASE OF THE PROJECT, WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY HAVING PUBLIC HEARINGS. SO YOU'LL HAVE A JOINT MEETING WITH CITY COUNCIL ON JANUARY 20TH 20TH. YOU'LL ALSO HAVE AN INDEPENDENT PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD MEETING. THERE WILL BE OPPORTUNITIES TO DISCUSS THOSE DRAFTS AND THOSE ARE PUBLICLY NOTICED. THOSE WILL BE ALSO AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC TO PROVIDE INPUT AT THAT POINT. BUT THERE'S NO MORE QUESTIONNAIRES FOR THAT. THERE'S NO ONLINE CAPABILITY TO GET INPUT AFTER THAT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE QUESTIONNAIRES ARE GO OUT. THESE QUESTIONNAIRES WILL BE A KEY ELEMENT TO CREATE A DRAFT REPORT. THAT DRAFT REPORT MAY HAVE SOME ABSENCES. MAYBE THERE'S NO COMMENT ABOUT, LET'S SAY, MR. SCHULTZ ABOUT THE IT SIDE OF THINGS. THAT OR IT'S RAISED ON COMMENTS, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE QUESTIONNAIRE THAT WILL THEN EDUCATE THAT A FURTHER SURVEY NEEDS TO CONTAIN THIS, THIS AND THIS. THEY'RE ON A DEADLINE. IT'S NOT THERE.

IT'S WE'RE ON DEADLINE. SO TOMORROW, THE ONLY BITE OF THE APPLE THAT THE PUBLIC IS SCHEDULED TO HAVE. AND THIS IS A LOVELY WEBSITE. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. AND THERE'S BEEN 20,000 EMAILS THAT HAVE GONE OUT TELLING PEOPLE THIS IS HERE, BUT I'M STILL SAYING THAT THE PEOPLE I'M TALKING TO HAVE NO BLOODY CLUE THIS IS HAPPENING. MAYBE THEY'VE GOT NO BLOODY INTEREST THAT MAY HAVE THAT OPTION. LIFE'S A SERIES OF OPTIONS. UNTIL YOU DON'T HAVE ANY. AND THIS CLOCK IS PROGRESSING AND IT'S MOVING. THE MATCH IS PLAYED, IT'S BEGUN, AND IT'S GOING DOWN HERE. AND GO BACK TO THE LITTLE TIMELINE THAT SHOWS US THAT WE HAVE UP UNTIL THE END OF FEBRUARY OR SO FOR THE PUBLIC INPUT. BUT IF I ASKED YOU EARLIER, CAN YOU THE DIFFERENT PHASES HERE, THIS IS PUBLIC INPUT SECTION. AND AT MOST THERE'S MOST 500 PEOPLE CAN SHOW UP TOMORROW AT MOST BECAUSE THAT'S ALL THE CAPACITY FOR EACH FACILITY 250 IF YOU GO THROUGH AND READ THE LIST OF ALL THE DIFFERENT PHASES, THE PUBLIC INPUT WILL BE DONE BY FEBRUARY FOR THE MOST PART, BUT THEY HAVE THE OPTION TO COME BACK AND DO IT. YES, THEY CAN

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AGAIN, I CAN ONLY GO OVER FROM, YOU KNOW, A RELIC FROM AN ACADEMIC POINT OF VIEW AND FROM A PRACTICAL POINT OF VIEW, THE ACADEMIC POINT OF VIEW IS UNDERSTANDING SURVEYS AND WHAT THEY DO TO PEOPLE, IRRESPECTIVE OF WHAT'S IN THE SURVEY. THIS SURVEY, MY UNDERSTANDING IS TO CREATE A FAIRLY INFORMATIVE, DRAFT, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT IS THE TIME WHEN THE LIGHTS WILL COME ON. ONCE YOU START INFORMING THE PUBLIC THAT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE THINKING ABOUT.

THAT, I THINK, IS WHEN YOU GET A GREATER INTERACTION. AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK THE FEBRUARY AND I DO THINK MORE THAN JUST FEBRUARY, THAT IS WHEN THE PUBLIC WILL START WAKING UP, BECAUSE AT THE MOMENT IT'S TOO FAR AWAY FOR THEM TO MAYBE SEE AS URGENT OR ENGAGE IN. TOTALLY AGREE. TOTALLY AGREE. THAT'S WHY WE SHOULD HAVE JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH. SO WHEN THE PUBLIC ACTUALLY WAKES UP AND ENGAGES, THE INFORMATION SHOWS US THE INFORMATION IS GOING TO SHOW US YOU CAN'T HAVE MORE THAN 500 THERE TOMORROW. THAT'S WHAT THE INFORMATION WILL SHOW YOU. AND ONLY A COUPLE HUNDRED ARE SIGNED UP. SO JUST AS I SAID EARLIER, THERE'S A SHIFT IN THE DYNAMICS. A LOT OF PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO GO AND PUT PUT THEIR OPINIONS FORWARD IN PUBLIC. THEY WANT TO GO IN A SURVEY SITUATION. SO YOU MAY FIND OUT THAT THE PERSONAL FACE TO FACE ENGAGEMENT COULD BE AS RIDICULOUS AS 1%, BUT THE SURVEY ENGAGEMENT MAY BE MUCH HIGHER BECAUSE THAT MAY BE THE PREFERRED METHOD OF INTERACTION.

WE NEED TO FIND THE EVIDENCE, AND WE CANNOT FIND THAT UNTIL WE GIVE PEOPLE A CHANCE TO TO PRESENT THAT EVIDENCE. AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS YET, I'LL BET YOU AND THEN THE BOARD CAN THEN CONTRIBUTE TO SAYING THIS IS SATISFACTORY, NOT SATISFACTORY. THIS NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED. BUT AT THE MOMENT WE HAVE TO KEEP OUR POWDER DRY. AND I ALSO THINK WE NEED TO BE FAR MORE POSITIVE TO ENGAGE AS OPPOSED TO NEGATIVE. AND I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING DOWN A NEGATIVE ROUTE. HOW WAS IT NEGATIVE? JUST SIMPLY SAYING THE PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW ABOUT IT. ANDREW. THAT'S BEGGING THE QUESTION BECAUSE I THINK IT'S DEROGATORY TO THE PUBLIC, SOME PUBLIC. BUT YOU'RE TELLING ME THE PUBLIC WILL DO IT IN DIFFERENT WAYS. SO WHICH IS IT? THE PUBLIC WILL DO IT OR NOT DO IT IN THE WAYS THAT THEY CHOOSE OR DON'T CHOOSE. AND IT ISN'T FOR US TO DETERMINE THAT. I GO TO A RESTAURANT THAT'S OFF THE MENU. IT IS A SECRET DISH, NOT ON THE MENU. HOW DO I EVEN KNOW IT'S THERE TO ORDER IT? CAN I CAN I JUST SAY EVERYBODY HERE HAS GOOD POINTS. WE HAVE NO FACTS ON WHAT'S HAPPENING. SO I THINK THAT WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR TOMORROW AND TWO MEETINGS TO GET SOME FACTS ON HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE SHOWING UP. WE NOW ARE GOING TO GET SOME INPUT ON HOW MANY SURVEYS WE'RE GOING TO BE GETTING. I HAPPEN TO BE CONCERNED THAT THE QUESTIONNAIRE STOPS ON DECEMBER 6TH. CONCERNS YOU HAVE IS RIGHT, AND THAT'S HALF THE PEOPLE AREN'T EVEN HERE. SO I WOULD YOU KNOW, BUT LET'S GET THE FACTS BEFORE WE START SAYING, HEY, THERE'S AN ISSUE. YOU TURN ON THE SURVEY FOR AN EXTRA SIX MONTHS OR WHATEVER IT IS, IS GOING TO BE SIMPLE TO DO. YOU JUST TURN IT ON. I'M NOT SEEN WHAT THE QUESTIONNAIRE IS. THE ONLY THING I'M AWARE OF IS THE ONE THAT WAS DONE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER IT WAS THREE YEARS AGO AND STUFF, WHICH TOOK A LOT OF TIME TO GET THE RIGHT QUESTIONS TO MAKE SURE THEY WERE OPEN ENDED. THEY WEREN'T POSITIONING PEOPLE TO THE RIGHT THINGS. SO I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE QUESTIONS. I DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS UP THERE, AND I'LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT. BUT TO SAY THAT THAT'S GOING TO STOP IN DECEMBER 6TH, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT TOO. BUT LET'S FIND OUT WHAT WE GOT. YEAH, YEAH, LET ME GET THE FACTS. THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO TALK ABOUT IT. YEAH. JUST ONE I'D LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE FINISH THE SURVEY THREE YEARS AGO, BECAUSE THAT WAS A COMPREHENSIVE ONE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE SPENT TIME ON DOING. AND THAT WOULD BE A BENCHMARK THAT I WOULD EXPECT US TO HAVE FOR, FOR THIS THING TO HAPPEN TO AT LEAST THAT BECAUSE IT WAS IT WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE SPENT A LOT OF TIME THE NUMBERS WERE BEING USED, WERE USED IN A LOT OF MEETINGS AND PRESENTATIONS AND STUFF. AND SO I THINK THAT HAS TO BE A BASE THAT IS IS SOLID AND STUFF LIKE THAT. WE CAN AT LEAST USE WHAT HAD HAPPENED BEFORE AS A BENCHMARK FOR WHAT THAT INPUT IS. AND ONCE WE GET THE FACTS, WE STILL HAVE SOME RUNWAY TO BE ABLE TO DO SOME MORE SURVEYS, MORE EMAILS TO PEOPLE TO SAY, LOOK AT THIS, LOOK AT THIS. BUT, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S GIVE IT A MONTH AND GET THE INPUT NEXT TIME. THAT'S MY SUGGESTION. YEAH. WELL THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ANYWAY.

BUT I READ EVERY ONE OF THOSE SURVEYS WHEN I APPLICATION FOR TO BE ON THE PAB, I READ EVERYTHING ON THAT SURVEY, JUST AS I READ EVERYTHING ON THE PORT ROYAL SURVEY. WHEN I ASKED FOR THAT, I THIS IS THE ONE FROM THREE YEARS AGO. YES. OKAY. SO I DO DO THAT. BUT THE POINT BEING MADE IS I JUST WANT TO BE TOTALLY ON RECORD THAT I FIND THIS THIS IS APPALLING THAT THE PUBLIC AND IT SHOULD BE RESIDENTS FIRST WHEN THEY ARE HERE, LET THEM KNOW IF THEY'RE NOT HERE, STILL LET THEM KNOW 20,000 EMAILS. GREAT. THAT WOULD EQUAL OUT TO 19,200

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THIS IS JUST TAKING A LIFE OF ITS OWN. AND I'M TELLING YOU, THE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT.

I'M HEARING THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT IT. AND I'M EVEN MORE APPALLED THAT THIS CITY COUNCIL IGNORED US, ALTHOUGH THEY HAD A NICE LITTLE CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, MAYBE SPENT, MR. CHAIRMAN, 13 MINUTES ON THAT. I'VE NOTICED THAT IT'S HARD FOR YOU TO SEE AS WELL, BECAUSE I KNOW MR. POWELL HAS BEEN BEEN TRYING TO RAISE SOME POINTS AND SAYING, MR. SCHULTZ, YOU SAID YOU HAD A NUMBER OF POINTS. PLEASE DO NOT NOT RAISE THOSE POINTS, BUT MAYBE LET'S GET A BREAK IN BETWEEN THEM BECAUSE YOUR POINTS ARE AS VALID AS, AS ANYBODY'S. AND I THINK IT'S I KNOW WE'RE PUSHED FOR TIME, BUT I THINK WE NEED TO HEAR EVERYBODY'S POINT AND I MEAN EVERYBODY'S AND ALL POINTS BECAUSE THIS IS THE VENUE TO DO IT. THANK YOU. AND LET'S GET SOME OF THE FACTS. AND THEN IF WE FIND OUT SOME OF THE FACTS SHOW THAT SOME OF THE CONCERNS PEOPLE HAVE, WE CAN DEAL WITH AT THAT POINT IN TIME. BUT UNTIL THEN, EVERYBODY'S PARTICIPATING OR IT'S FUTURE PROJECTING. WHAT DO THEY THINK MIGHT HAPPEN? AND NOBODY KNOWS THAT. SO BUT JUST A SHORT COMMENT. MY FAVORITE CLIENT OF ALL TIMES WOULD CALL ME ON THE PHONE AND SAY, GREG, HERE'S THE PROBLEM. AND THEN HE WOULD SAY, TELL ME, SHOULD I JUMP OFF A BRIDGE OR JUST OUT THE BASEMENT WINDOW? AND I WOULD SAY, I GOT TO GET BACK TO YOU ABOUT THAT, CHUCK. I GOT TO HAVE MORE FACTS. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. AND ONE QUICK QUESTION THAT I HAVE IS, AS THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, YOU GUYS ARE DRIVING THIS, YOU KNOW, FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE TIME. SO YOU WILL COME TO US DURING THIS PROCESS IF YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH, OKAY, MAYBE THE RESULTS AREN'T COMING IN WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING OR SOMETHING'S NOT SATISFACTORY TO YOU. SO WE DEPEND ON YOU FOR THAT RECOMMENDATION AS WELL.

AND THAT'S GOING TO COME THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS, WHICH IS AT THE BEGINNING. SO WE HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING EITHER DIRECTION BECAUSE YOU JUST DON'T HAVE THE DATA YET.

YEAH. I'D STILL LIKE TO KNOW. JOHNSON'S SIDE IS WHO THEY REPRESENTED. IS IT APPROPRIATE TO ASK WHAT THE PEOPLE HERE ARE GOING TO BE DOING TOMORROW? IS ANYBODY GOING TO BE ATTENDING ANY OF THEM? IS IT HELPFUL? IS THAT OKAY TO DO THAT, OR IS THAT A BAD THING TO TO ASK WHETHER THEY WANT TO? I MEAN, I, I MY SCHEDULE IS BETTER FOR THE SECOND ONE. SO I'M GOING TO THE LATER ONE, I'M GOING TO BOTH I'M GOING TO BOTH. OH I UNFORTUNATELY HAVE TO TRAVEL SO I, I CAN MAKE NEITHER OF THEM. UNFORTUNATELY THAT'S MY SITUATION TO YOU GUYS. I'M WAITING FOR UNITED TO TELL ME IF THEY'RE GOING TO FLY AND NOT BE THERE. IF THEY'RE NOT, I'LL BE THERE. I'M GOING. GOOD. OKAY. I THINK THE MORE PEOPLE WE HAVE THERE IS POSSIBLE. I FORTUNATELY AT LEAST PLAN BEFORE THIS, SO. BUT WE CAN'T PARTICIPATE. WE CAN JUST STAND THERE AND WATCH, SIT IN THE CORNER LIKE A POTTED PLANT THAT IS, THAT IS BETTER THAN YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SEE REAL LIVE WHAT'S HAPPENING, AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO LOOK OVER PEOPLE'S SHOULDERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO I THINK, I THINK IT'D BE GOOD FOR THE PAB MEMBERS WHO DO ATTEND TO GIVE FEEDBACK AT THE. MAYBE THEY CAN GIVE A LITTLE SURMISE AT THE NEXT MEETING TO FIND OUT WHETHER IT WAS GOOD, BAD, OR INDIFFERENT AND WHAT COULD BE IMPROVED. AND LET'S FIND SOME POSITIVES ABOUT HOW WE CAN TAKE IT UP A NOTCH. AND THAT'S FIRST HAND INFORMATION. IT'S REAL FACTS. SO I THINK THAT'S VERY HELPFUL. IS THAT IT? FOR THIS TOPIC I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.

I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT DEPENDING ON THE OUTCOME OF THE TURNOUT TOMORROW AT THESE PUBLIC HEARING PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL STRONGLY CONSIDER AN ADDITIONAL SIMILAR MEETING IN EARLY JANUARY IF IT'S DEEMED ADVISABLE FOR A FOLLOW UP PUBLIC HEARING. IF THE THE TURNOUT IS NOT SUFFICIENT, I'D SECOND THAT. DO YOU WANT DO WE NEED TO GO THROUGH A ROLL OR SOMETHING? HOW DOES THAT. WHAT'S THAT ALL. ALL IN FAVOR? BEFORE WE BEFORE WE VOTE. I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ON THAT. ISN'T THAT WHAT WE KIND OF ASKED AT THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING? KIND OF DIDN'T WE ALREADY KIND OF GET THAT ANSWER? IT'S SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT, ACTUALLY, I THINK AND COUNCIL HAD THAT DISCUSSED THAT AS WELL. YES. AND WHEN COUNCIL DISCUSSED THIS THEY ALSO LEFT THAT OPTION OPEN FOR ANOTHER AN ADDITIONAL MEETING.

SO I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT ON PAR WITH WHAT COUNCIL SAID. THANK YOU THANK YOU. DOES THAT MEAN WE SHOULD VOTE ON SOMETHING. WE HAVE A WE HAVE A MOTION A SECOND. SO ANYBODY. YAY. WHO'S

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[9.A) Traffic Study Update from the Public Works Department.]

THEY PRESENTED AN UPDATE TO CITY COUNCIL AT THE JUNE 16TH, 2025 WORKSHOP. FOLLOWING THE WORKSHOP, JOHNSON REORIENTED THEIR PRESENTATION TO FOCUS ON DATA COLLECTION AND INTERPRETATION AND TO INCORPORATE FUTURE DOWNTOWN PROJECTS THAT WILL IMPACT THE DOWNTOWN. JOHNSON ENGINEERING HAS SHARED WITH STAFF A PRELIMINARY DRAFT OF THE PRESENTATION OF THE FINAL STUDY, STUDY FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS. THESE INCLUDE POTENTIAL CHANGES TO THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, AS WELL AS THE TRAFFIC STUDY GUIDELINES.

THE PRESENTATION IS TENTATIVELY SCHEDULED FOR THE DECEMBER 8TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING. THANK YOU.

IT'S JUST INFORMATIONAL. THAT'S OUR INFORMATION. YEAH. THERE'S A I HAVE NO QUESTIONS. YEAH.

FROM MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE'S A DRAFT THAT WAS SENT TO PEOPLE AND STAFF AND STUFF.

I ASKED FOR A COPY OF THAT. THEY SAID THAT WE PUT SOME FEEDBACK IN AND YOU'LL GET A REPORT LATER. AS OF THIS MORNING, I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING. AND SO ALL I, ALL I WAS TRYING TO DO WAS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE INITIAL DRAFT WAS SO THAT ANY COMMENT SOMEBODY COULD ACTUALLY. SO THERE'S INCORPORATED IF IT'S RELEVANT. I'M ASSUMING THAT THIS VERSION, I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THIS NEXT VERSION THAT'S COMING OUT. IS THAT GOING TO HAVE A CHANCE TO ITERATE THROUGH THAT, OR IS THAT JUST ALREADY BAKED? IN WHICH CASE, I GUESS MY ONLY CHANCE IS TO DO THE REVIEW AND SEND IT TO THE IN THE BACK AND FORTH RIGHT NOW. OKAY. BETWEEN STAFF, I THINK THE CITY MANAGER IS LOOKING AT IT AS WELL. AND THE CONSULTANT. SO ONCE THERE IS AN ACTUAL FINALIZED DOCUMENT THAT WE CAN PROVIDE, WE WILL DO, YOU KNOW, A WEEK, A MONTH, YOU CAN'T HAVE INPUT INTO IT. IS THAT CORRECT? I DON'T KNOW THE TIMELINE ON THAT. CAN YOU HAVE INPUT? I BELIEVE THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO PROVIDE INPUT, BUT WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE A FINAL DOCUMENT TO PROVIDE INPUT ON. IT'S STILL IN THE WORKS. SO SO A FINAL DRAFT NOT A FINAL DRAFT CORRECT. YES. FINAL DRAFT IS DIFFERENT THAN FINAL A FINAL DRAFT. YES. OKAY. BECAUSE I'M I'M SPECIFICALLY LOOKING FOR THINGS THAT ARE THEY ARE THEY DESCRIBING THIS STUFF IN A WAY THAT SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT A TRAFFIC EXPERT CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE ISSUE IS. A LOT OF THESE THINGS IS THESE NUMBERS COME UP AND PEOPLE DON'T. IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING TO THEM.

SO BEING ABLE TO COMMUNICATE IT SO SOMEBODY CAN IN THE COUNCIL AND PAB CAN UNDERSTAND AND HOW IT'S GOING TO WORK IS WHERE I'M GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THE THING. OKAY. YES, WE HAVE A FINAL DRAFT. WE'LL WE CAN PROVIDE THAT BECAUSE I MEAN, I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHAT'S THE METHODOLOGY FOR PLANNING STUFF WHEN YOU HAVE THESE PLANNED DEVELOPMENTS AND STUFF OR WHATEVER THE PROJECT IS, HOW DO YOU WHAT'S METHODOLOGY COME UP WITH THIS AND SHOW US FOR THE BECAUSE YOU HAVE 26 OF THEM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT ARE IN THE PLAN. IT'D BE NICE TO KNOW, LET'S SEE 1 OR 2 OF THEM SO WE CAN SAY, OH, THIS MAKES SENSE. I CAN SEE HOW THIS IS A LOGICAL WAY OF DOING IT. SO THOSE AN EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING THAT I WAS LOOKING TO SEE AND ONE OF THE IN THE PRESENTATION. SO ANYWAY THAT WAS MY POINT. ANYBODY ELSE. JUST ONE QUESTION. I'LL SOUND LIKE A BROKEN RECORD, BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT IN ADVANCE, SUBSTANTIALLY IN ADVANCE OF WHEN THE CITY COUNCIL WILL SEE IT, SO WE CAN PROVIDE INPUT, THAT WOULD BE GREATLY APPRECIATED. IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU NEED TO INCORPORATE IT, BUT AT LEAST UNDERSTANDING THAT THAT'S ENTIRELY OUT OF MY CONTROL. BUT I WILL DO MY BEST, I APPRECIATE IT, THANK YOU. AND WILL THERE BE DETERMINATION OF THE WHAT IS PEAK SEASON, PEAK HOURS, TRAFFIC DATA COLLECTION? WOULD THERE BE DATES AND TIMES DETERMINED? IN OTHER WORDS, WE'LL BE ABLE TO KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING RATHER THAN A TERMINOLOGY. THE. THE STUDY WILL INCLUDE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR TRAFFIC STUDY GUIDELINES AND CRITERIA IN TERMS OF THE DATA THAT WAS GATHERED. YES,

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IN OTHER WORDS, YOU CAN USE THE DATA IF YOU'RE APPLYING FOR ANY STATE FUNDING TO OR ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT, YOU WOULD HAVE TO USE THE STATE CRITERIA. BUT IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IN THE CITY, WE'D NEED TO LOOK AS TO THE CITY CRITERIA, WHICH IS DIFFERENT, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION ON THAT. SO THIS IS GOING TO GO IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL AND THIS THIS EARLY DECEMBER MEETING. AND PRESUMABLY THAT'S WHEN IT WILL GO ON THE AGENDA. AND THAT'S MOST LIKELY WHERE WE'LL FIND IT.

RIGHT. IT'LL BE SO IT'LL BE PUBLISHED A WEEK, YOU KNOW, ONE WEEK AHEAD OF THE DECEMBER 8TH.

SO ON DECEMBER 1ST IT'LL BE PUBLISHED. I WILL DO MY BEST TO GET IT SOONER THAN THAT. I'M SORRY, BUT. RIGHT. BUT THAT'S MOST MOST LIKELY PUBLISHED DECEMBER 1ST. OKAY. WELL, IT'S A DRAFT FOR COUNCIL TO REVIEW. ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON TOPIC NINE A THIS WILL MOVE OFF ON TO NUMBER TEN. ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS? I HAVE NO SLIPS. NO SLIPS. NUMBER 11 A THE UPDATES ON THE

[11) Correspondence and Communication]

I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. I KNOW WE HAVE A TUESDAY, JANUARY 20TH JOINT MEETING WITH CITY COUNCIL ON COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IS THERE ANOTHER SPECIAL MEETING THAT WE WE HAVE A DATE CERTAIN ON FOR THE PAB. THAT'S NEXT YEAR. THAT'S THE ONLY ONE THAT WE HAVE ASIDE FROM YOUR REGULAR SCHEDULE, JANUARY JANUARY 20TH IS A JOINT MEETING WITH CITY COUNCIL. OKAY. THANK YOU. IT'S BEEN NICE TO HAVE THAT IN THERE, BUT NOW I GOT IT. MAKE SURE IT GETS IT BACK TO BACK 14TH AND THEN THE 20TH. WHAT START TIME IS THAT ON THE 20TH? YOU KNOW, I WOULD ASSUME THE 8:30 A.M.

OKAY. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE ON 11 A GO ON. ONLY THE FACT OF IF IT'S FOR THE PAB, I SEEM TO AGREE OR DISAGREE WHETHER THEY'RE OKAY WITH THOSE DATES. YEAH. JUST BECAUSE I'LL BE AT

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YEAH. ADDITIONAL. THIS IS YOUR REGULAR MEETING SCHEDULE. BUT DO MARK DOWN JANUARY 20TH FOR A JOINT MEETING. OKAY. I'LL GO THEN TO TOPIC NUMBER 12 AND A JOINT MOTION TO ADJOURN. THE CORRESPONDENCE COMMUNICATION. I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT I FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS, THIS REPORT THAT I JUST RAN ACROSS YESTERDAY. IT'S A DRAFT REPORT. CITY OF NAPLES RESILIENCE PLAN 2025. AND I HAD ASKED AND TALKED TO ERIC A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS BEFORE THE MEETING STARTED, AND SHE'S GOING TO TRY TO SEND THIS AROUND TO US. IF YOU CHECK YOUR EMAILS, YOU'LL FIND SOMETHING. I JUST SENT IT, SO. OH, GOOD. SO I SENT A LINK TO THE THE RESILIENCY PAGE ON THE CITY'S WEBSITE. SO YOU'LL SEE MULTIPLE DOCUMENTS THERE. BUT IT'S KIND OF A TERRIFIC HISTORY OF, OF THE PLANNING THAT THE CITY HAS DONE ON RESILIENCY OVER THE LAST, WHAT, 3 OR 4 YEARS, MAYBE LONGER, MAYBE LONGER, MAYBE LONGER. AND THEN ALSO PROJECTIONS ON ON DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT WOULD BE TAKEN UP AT A LATER TIME. IT'S PRETTY IT'S REALLY USEFUL, I THINK. ALL RIGHT. JUST NEED A MOTION TO ADJOURN. THAT'S RIGHT. JUST ON THE, ON THE, ON THE LAST PART OF THE, YOU KNOW, CORRESPONDENCES. I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME INTERACTION AND MAINLY FROM THE PUBLIC'S PERSPECTIVE AND IT MAY HAVE GOT A BIT WARMER OR WHATEVER, BUT I THINK FROM THE AS A MEMBER OF THE PAB, I THINK WE ARE GOING FORWARD IN A POSITIVE WAY AND OUR INTERACTIONS ARE TO THRASH COULN GOING FORWARD, BUT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD IN A POSITIVE WAY, WILL BEGIN TO GATHER SOME EVIDENCE WHICH WILL FURTHER SHAPE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN BUILD UP, WHICH IS THE BIG PRIORITY. SO JUST IN CASE ANYBODY'S BEEN WATCHING AND SEEING MAYBE A LITTLE BIT OF TESTING, THAT'S OUR JOB TO CHALLENGE AND TEST EACH OTHER, TEST THE SYSTEM AND CHALLENGE THE SYSTEM. AND WE'RE DOING IT IN A HEALTHY AND HOPEFULLY RESPECTFUL WAY. SOMETIMES OUR PASSIONS CAN OVERTAKE, BUT WE'RE DEFINITELY IN FAVOR AND WE'VE BEEN INVOLVED, AND WE WANT THE PUBLIC TO BE AS INVOLVED AS POSSIBLE. MOTION.

MOTION TO ADJOURN. HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND. AYE

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