[00:00:06] GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO THIS NOVEMBER 5TH, 2025 REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING. [1) CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL] MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. COUNCIL MEMBER BURTON HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. CRISMAN HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENNYMAN HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. PETRANOFF HERE. VICE MAYOR HUTCHINSON HERE. MAYOR HARTMAN HERE. THANK YOU. TODAY WE HAVE REVEREND MARCELLA DRAWDY WITH US TODAY FROM TRINITY BY THE CODE. [2) INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE] IF YOU'LL PLEASE STAND FOR THE INVOCATION FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE LED BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. ALMIGHTY GOD, TEACH OUR PEOPLE TO RELY ON YOUR STRENGTH AND TO ACCEPT THEIR RESPONSIBILITIES TO THEIR FELLOW CITIZENS. THAT THEY MAY ELECT TRUSTWORTHY LEADERS AND MAKE WISE DECISIONS FOR THE WELL-BEING OF OUR SOCIETY. THAT THEY MAY SERVE YOU FAITHFULLY IN OUR GENERATION AND HONOR YOUR HOLY NAME. AND WE PRAY YOU. SEND DOWN UPON THOSE WHO HOLD OFFICE IN THIS CITY OF NAPLES THE SPIRIT OF WISDOM, CHARITY, AND JUSTICE, THAT WITH STEADFAST PURPOSE THEY MAY FAITHFULLY SERVE THEIR OFFICES TO PROMOTE THE WELL-BEING OF ALL PEOPLE. WE OFFER THESE OUR PETITIONS AND DESIRES TO YOUR HOLY NAME. AMEN. AMEN. PLEASE JOIN ME FOR THE PLEDGE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. SETTING THE AGENDA. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. [3) SET AGENDA (add or remove items) ] NO CHANGES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS, CHANGES OR A MOTION TO APPROVE. SO MOVED APPROVAL OF THE AGENDA. SECOND. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION FROM COUNCIL MEMBER AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER. PETRANOFF. ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNED BY I. AYE. OPPOSED? THANK YOU. COUNCIL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. SO TODAY WE HAVE THE HONOR OF HAVING THE NAPLES HIGH YOUTH [4.A) Youth Council Swearing-In Ceremony.] COUNCIL. THIS WAS AN INITIATIVE THAT I REALLY HAD HOPED FROM GOING TO THE LEAGUE OF CITIES THAT ONE DAY WE WOULD ESTABLISH THE VICE MAYOR TOOK THE LEAD ON THAT. AND THROUGH LEADERSHIP AT NAPLES HIGH. FIRST, CATHY SWINGLEY, MISS SWINGLEY WHO INITIATED THE YOUTH COUNCIL? REALLY GOT THE YOUTH COUNCIL GOING. I WANT TO THANK THINK ALSO MONIQUE BARNHART FOR LAST YEAR, SHE REALLY SUPPORTED THE COUNCIL AND BEING ABLE TO ASSIST THE COUNCIL. AND THIS YEAR SANDRA FRASCINO WILL HELP US IN THIS YEAR'S INITIATIVES. SO MISS BROWN, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR STEPPING UP TO THE PLATE AND HELPING US WITH THE LEADERSHIP. SO WITH THAT, IF I COULD HAVE THE YOUTH COUNCIL COME FORWARD FOR SWEARING IN AND. MISS RAMOS. ARE YOU COMING? YES. THANK YOU. SO WHAT'S HAPPENING IS THE NEW MEMBERS OF THE YOUTH COUNCIL ARE BEING SWORN IN, AND OUR PAST MEMBERS WILL OBSERVE FROM AFAR. GOOD MORNING. IT'S MY HONOR TO SWEAR YOU IN TO THE NAPLES YOUTH COUNCIL AS YOUR FIRST TERM. IF YOU WOULD PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. AFTER I SAY I, I'M GOING TO PAUSE. AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO STATE YOUR NAME. I. DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM. THAT I WILL SUPPORT AND PROTECT. I WILL SUPPORT AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION, THE CONSTITUTION AND GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES, OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA, AND THE STATE OF FLORIDA, THAT I AM DULY QUALIFIED, THAT I AM DULY QUALIFIED TO HOLD OFFICE UNDER THE CONSTITUTION, UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE, OF THE STATE, AND THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY PERFORM. [00:05:04] I WILL FAITHFULLY PERFORM THE DUTIES OF THE NAPLES YOUTH COUNCIL, NAPLES YOUTH COUNCIL, ON WHICH I AM ABOUT TO ENTER, WHICH I AM ABOUT TO ENTER. SO HELP ME GOD, SO HELP ME GOD. GREAT. CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL OF YOU. SO LAST YEAR WE WERE ABLE TO GIVE THE MEMBERS A CHALLENGE CORN AND WE WILL DO THE SAME FOR YOU. I WILL LET THE VICE MAYOR. I WAS GOING TO SAY PRESIDENT. PASS THOSE OUT. A CHAT. YEAH. MADAM MAYOR, AND TO THE PUBLIC. YOU HEARD THESE NEW MEMBERS OF OUR NAPLES YOUTH COUNCIL. JUST SWEAR IN YOU. NOTICE HOW AT FIRST THEY SPOKE VERY LIGHTLY. AND THEN THEY GOT MORE CONFIDENT. OLDER WITH WHAT YOU HAD TO SAY. AND I CHALLENGE YOU NOW, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT. AS YOU CONTINUE YOUR CAREER, I'M GOING TO PASS THESE OUT AS YOU CONTINUE YOUR CAREER IN SERVICE. BE BOLD. FIND YOUR VOICE RIGHT, FIND YOUR PATH. FIND WHAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU, AND DON'T BE AFRAID TO SPEAK OUT. YOU FOLKS ARE AMAZING. THANK YOU FOR SERVING AND A VERY BRIGHT FUTURE AHEAD OF YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IF I COULD HAVE THE REST OF THE COUNCIL COME FORWARD FOR A PHOTO TODAY. SANDRA, DO YOU WANT TO GIVE A BRIEFING OF WHAT THEY'LL BE DOING ON THEIR FIRST DAY? SURE. THANK YOU. YEAH, I THINK YEAH. TODAY WE'RE GOING TO DO ETHICS TRAINING, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO GO TO THE FIREHOUSE FOR A TOUR. AND IF TIME PERMITS, WE MAY ALSO DO A TOUR OF CITY HALL QUICKLY. AND THEN WE'RE ALSO GOING TO WORK OUR PLANNING FOR THE YEAR AS WELL. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. YEP. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. CAN I SIT IN HERE? VICE MAYOR, YOU CAN STAND. HERE. WITH. PERFECT. IT'S PERFECT. THANK YOU. WE HAVE THE CHAIRMAN IS GOING TO SHARE SOME REMARKS. THE. PODIUM IS YOURS. THANK YOU. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON, COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS MIA VERGARA, AND I'M THE CURRENT CHAIR OF THE CITY OF NAPLES YOUTH COUNCIL. I'M HERE TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE COUNCIL AND SHARE WHAT WE HOPE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS YEAR. OVER THE PAST YEAR, OUR MEMBERS HAVE CONTINUED TO STRENGTHEN OUR COMMITMENT TO SERVICE AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. OUR ANNUAL GIFT GIVING PROJECT REMAINS ONE OF OUR MOST MEANINGFUL EFFORTS, LED LAST YEAR BY OUR THEN PUBLIC RELATIONS OFFICER, NOW MANAGER JACK YOUNG. OUR COUNCIL PARTNERS WITH SCHOOL GUIDANCE COUNSELORS TO IDENTIFY FOR STUDENTS IN NEED AND RAISE MORE THAN $1,300 EACH HOLIDAY SEASON TO SUPPORT THEM. THIS PROCESS IS COMPLETELY ANONYMOUS, ALLOWING STUDENTS TO RECEIVE ASSISTANCE WITHOUT ANY ADDED ATTENTION. ANOTHER IMPACTFUL EFFORT WAS OUR HONOR FLIGHT INITIATIVE ORGANIZED BY OUR THEN TREASURER, NOW VICE CHAIR BOBBY NEWELL. OUR COUNCIL GREETED VETERANS ARRIVING HOME FROM WASHINGTON, WASHINGTON, D.C. WITH POSTERS, SMILES AND CUSTOM POSTERS FEATURING THE TOMB OF THE UNKNOWN SOLDIER FOR VETERANS WHO COULD NOT TRAVEL. WE PARTICIPATED IN THE AT HOME CEREMONY WHERE BOBBY SHARED WORDS OF APPRECIATION. BOBBY IS CURRENTLY PLANNING THIS YEAR'S ATTENDANCE IN APRIL 2026 AND HOPES TO MAKE AN ANNUAL PROJECT. LOOKING AHEAD, WE ARE EXCITED TO BUILD OUR MOMENTUM WITH PROJECTS THAT ADDRESS KEY COMMUNITY NEEDS. ONE OF OUR MAIN INITIATIVES THIS YEAR IS A DISTRACTED DRIVING AWARENESS EVENT FOCUSED ON HIGH SCHOOL JUNIORS AND SENIORS. I AM ORGANIZING THIS PROJECT PROJECT IN COLLABORATION WITH TRAUMA NURSES, AND HOPE TO INVOLVE EITHER THE NAPLES POLICE DEPARTMENT OR THE COLLIER COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THE REAL LIFE DEMONSTRATIONS, FATAL VISION GOGGLES. DRIVING SIMULATORS IN AN OBSTACLE COURSE PAIRED WITH A GO KART. WE AIM TO EMPHASIZE THE IMPORTANCE OF SAFE AND RESPONSIBLE DRIVING. COUNCIL MEMBER EVA MERCER IS PLANNING AN INITIATIVE CENTERED ON COMPASSION AND AWARENESS FOR OUR HOMELESS POPULATION. WITH RISING HOUSING COSTS AND THE INCREASING NEEDS OF VULNERABLE FAMILIES. [00:10:01] EVA HOPES TO ORGANIZE HOLIDAY FOCUSED SERVICE EVENTS SUCH AS FUNDRAISING, FUNDRAISING DRIVES, FOOD DONATIONS OR PUBLIC OUTREACH, POTENTIALLY IN PARTNERSHIP WITH ORGANIZATIONS LIKE FOOD FOR THOUGHT, THE SALVATION ARMY, AND OTHER COMMUNITY GROUPS. ANGELINA PRICE, THIS YEAR'S CLERK, IS EXPLORING A PARTNERSHIP WITH KENDRA SCOTT AT WATERSIDE SHOPS THROUGH THEIR KENDRA GIVES BACK PROGRAM. HER GOAL IS TO SUPPORT THE NAPLES THERAPEUTIC RIDING CENTER, WHICH PROVIDES EQUINE ASSISTED THERAPY FOR CHILDREN WITH DEVELOPMENTAL DISABILITIES. VETERANS WITH PTSD AND INDIVIDUALS FACING MENTAL HEALTH CHALLENGES. A PORTION OF PROCEEDS FROM DESIGNATED SHOPPING DAYS WILL DIRECTLY BENEFIT THESE THERAPEUTIC PROGRAMS. AS WE CONTINUE OUR WORK, WE VALUE GUIDANCE IN COLLABORATION WITH ALL OF YOU. WE RECENTLY REALIZED THAT OUR YOUTH COUNCIL MEETINGS, HELD ON THE FIRST AND THIRD WEDNESDAY OF EACH MONTH, OVERLAP WITH YOUR GENERAL MEETING SCHEDULE. WE ARE EXPLORING THE POSSIBILITY OF ADJUSTING OUR MEETING DATES, AS WE HOPE THIS WILL ALLOW YOU TO ATTEND AND PROVIDE DIRECT FEEDBACK AND SUPPORT ON OUR PROJECTS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED LEADERSHIP AND FOR SUPPORTING OUR YOUTH DRIVEN INITIATIVES. WE LOOK FORWARD TO ANOTHER YEAR OF MEANINGFUL SERVICE AS THE CITY OF NAPLES YOUTH COUNCIL. THANK YOU. IF YOU COULD POSSIBLY START, IF YOU COULD START AND HAVE THE COUNCIL MEMBERS SHAKE YOUR HANDS AND THEN YOU CAN PROCEED OUT TO YOUR VERY BUSY MORNING. SO IF YOU'LL COME AROUND AND OR JUST SO IT'S EASIER. SO COUNCIL, YOU CAN PASS THROUGH COUNCIL IF YOU'LL COME THROUGH HERE AND THEN GO OUT THROUGH THE OTHER WAY. THERE WE GO. THERE'S THE LEADER. HALF DAY. YOU DID IT! YOU DID IT! COUNCIL MEMBER. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HELLO, DARLING. HOW ARE YOU? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. HEY, GUYS. WELL DONE IN FRONT OF ALL OF YOU. GOOD JOB. THANK YOU. GOOD JOB GUYS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DON'T LEAVE. YEAH. YOU BET. OH, RIGHT. YOU GET INVOLVED. YOU GOT IT. YEP. YOU'RE ON YOUR DESK. THANK YOU FOR HELPING. SORRY. THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. GOOD JOB. SANDRA. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. YES, MA'AM. THE PROCLAMATION ON THE DESK THERE. YES, MA'AM. TWO OF THEM. I JUST WANT TO FOR THE PUBLIC. YOU CAN TELL OUR YOUTH COUNCIL HAS A GREAT INITIATIVES ON THEIR PLATE THIS YEAR. THEY ALSO NEED FUNDING FOR THEIR INITIATIVES. SO IF IT'S IN YOUR MEANS AND IN YOUR HEART TO GIVE TO THE YOUTH COUNCIL FOR THEIR PROGRAMS, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO SO. SO THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR. SO MEALS OF HOPE WILL COME FORWARD. I HAVE STEVEN POPPER, THE PRESIDENT, DONALD GRAHAM, GRAHAM MASON, [4.B) Meals of Hope Month Proclamation.] JACK GERDEMANN AND SHERRY STEINS. POPPER, IF YOU'LL COME FORWARD. HELLO. BEEN A LONG TIME, JACK. HELLO. THIS IS THE VICE MAYOR'S INITIATIVE, AND VERY, VERY PROUD TO SUPPORT THE MEALS OF HOPE. WHEREAS MEALS OF HOPE HAVE LONG SERVED SOUTHWEST FLORIDA BY PROVIDING NUTRITIOUS FOOD TO FAMILIES, CHILDREN AND SENIORS FACING HUNGER. AND WHEREAS RECOGNIZED AS THE PLATINUM GUIDE STAR RATING FOR TRANSPARENCY, MEALS OF HOPE RECENTLY EXPANDED INTO A NEW 18,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY ON MERCANTILE AVENUE, NOW THE LARGEST FOOD PANTRY WAREHOUSE IN FLORIDA WITH OVER 9000FT² OF COOLER AND FREEZER SPACE. WHEREAS 93% OF THE ORGANIZATION'S EXPENSES DIRECTLY SUPPORT HUNGER RELIEF PROGRAMS, OPERATING 14 FOOD PANTRIES 12 IN COLLIER COUNTY AND TWO IN LEE COUNTY, SERVING NEARLY 4000 FAMILIES WEEKLY AND MORE THAN 70,000 INDIVIDUALS IN 2024. WHEREAS IN PARTNERSHIP WITH SCHOOLS, OVER 100,000 WEEKEND BACKPACKS OF FOOD WERE DISTRIBUTED TO CHILDREN IN COLLIER, LEE AND PALM BEACH COUNTIES, WITH 30,000 EXPECTED THIS YEAR, AND MORE THAN 13.6 MILLION MEALS WERE PACKED IN 2024 THROUGH THE SUPPORT OF DEDICATED VOLUNTEERS. WHEREAS THE CITY OF NAPLES COMMENDS THE MEALS OF HOPE FOR ITS DEDICATION, SERVICE, COMMUNITY LEADERSHIP AND COMPASSION IN THE FIGHT AGAINST HUNGER. NOW, THEREFORE, I, TERESA LI, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF NAPLES, DO HERE PROCLAIM NOVEMBER 2025 AS MEALS OF HOPE IN THE CITY OF NAPLES [00:15:01] AND ENCOURAGE ALL RESIDENTS TO SUPPORT AND CELEBRATE ITS MISSION OF HOPE AND NOURISHMENT. THANK YOU. AND THIS PROCLAMATION. THANK YOU TO YOU, IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY IT. SURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO GOOD MORNING, EVERYONE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. IT'S TRULY A GREAT HONOR FOR MISS HOPE. AGAIN, LET ME JUST INTRODUCE WHO WE HAVE HERE. I'M STEVEN POPPER. WE HAVE MY BOARD CHAIR, JACK ROTHMAN DONALD GRAND'MAISON, MY VP OF OPERATIONS. AND I THINK YOU ALL KNOW MY MY BETTER HALF, FAR BETTER HALF, SHERRY POPPER WHO'S REALLY THE POWER BEHIND EVERYTHING, BUT YOU ALL KNOW THAT ANYWAYS. BUT I DO WANT TO SHARE ONE THING WITH YOU. WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. IT FEELS A LITTLE BIT LIKE THE EARLY DAYS OF COVID. WE ARE IN A PERFECT STORM RIGHT NOW WITH THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN, THE SNAP BENEFIT CURTAILMENT IN IMMOKALEE, THE ONLY GROCERY STORE, WINN-DIXIE, IS CLOSED AND PEOPLE ARE HURTING AND SCARED. SO WE ARE WE ARE WE ARE GEARED UP FOR IT. WE TYPICALLY DO AS I AS IT WAS SAID IN THE PROCLAMATION, WE HAVE 14 FOOD PANTRIES. WE FEED ABOUT 4000 FAMILIES. HOWEVER, JUST THIS WEEK WE ARE DOING TWO MORE POP UP MARKETS OR FOOD PANTRIES. EXCUSE ME? ONE AT GUADALUPE CENTER AND THE OTHER AT HEALTHCARE NETWORK IN IMMOKALEE. BETWEEN THE TWO, WE'RE EXPECTING TO BRING ANOTHER 600 AND OR FEED ANOTHER 650 FAMILIES. SO IT IS SCARY OUT THERE. AND BUT WITH THE SUPPORT OF OUR COMMUNITY, WE'RE THERE TO DO THAT, AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO SO. WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT OUR GRAND OPENING RIBBON CUTTING TOMORROW. I INVITE ALL OF YOU TO ATTEND. I KNOW BOTH MAYOR AND COUNCILMAN KRAMER. YOU'LL BE THERE, I APPRECIATE THAT. BUT WE'RE EXCITED. WE'VE BEEN HERE FOR 18 YEARS, AND WE'RE GEARING UP FOR THE NEXT 18, SO THANK YOU SO MUCH. I DO APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED TO SAY A FEW WORDS IN SUPPORT OF MEALS OF HOPE. MISTER POPPER TALKED ABOUT THE DIRE SITUATIONS THAT WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW ACROSS THE COUNTRY AS IT APPLIES TO SNAP E T BENEFITS. AND I RUN A BUSINESS THAT ACCEPTS SNAP BENEFITS FOR OUR CUSTOMERS. AND I'M TELLING YOU THE THINGS THAT WE'RE HEARING ACROSS THE SALES COUNTER. THESE ARE REAL THINGS. AND REAL HUNGER PERSIST. SOME OF THE INFORMATION, STEVE, THAT I FOUND ON MEALS OF HOPE IS THAT I BELIEVE SINCE 2007 A HUNDRED MILLION MEALS, WE'VE ACTUALLY PACKED 120,000,120. YEAH. NAPLES HIGH. WE'VE DONE IT MANY, MANY TIMES. BRINGING THE YOUTH TOGETHER TO PACK. YES, TO PACK MEALS. AND THOSE NUMBERS WITH WHAT'S GOING ON RIGHT NOW, THOSE NUMBERS ARE JUST GOING TO SKYROCKET. AND I'VE BEEN FORTUNATE TO BE A PART OF SOME OF THESE PACKING EVENTS. AND FOR THE PUBLIC OUT THERE, PLEASE CONSIDER MAKING YOURSELF AVAILABLE TO HELP GET THESE MEALS PACKED AND DELIVERED. IT'S IT'S A IT'S A BIG DEAL. AND WE NEED TO COME TOGETHER. AND HOPEFULLY THIS KIND OF SITUATION IS GOING TO BE SOLVED SOON. I WANTED TO POINT US TO ISAIAH 58 VERSES SIX THROUGH SEVEN. IS NOT THIS KIND OF FASTING I HAVE CHOSEN TO LOOSE THE CHAINS OF INJUSTICE? IS IT NOT TO SHARE YOUR FOOD WITH THE HUNGRY AND TO PROVIDE THE POOR WANDERER WITH SHELTER? WHEN YOU SEE THE NAKED, TO CLOTHE THEM, AND NOT TO TURN AWAY FROM YOUR OWN FLESH AND BLOOD? SO TRUE WORSHIP. TRUE GIVING INVOLVES CARING FOR THE HUNGRY AND OPPRESSED. AND I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU TO YOU AND YOUR BOARD AND SUPPORTERS. YOU FOLKS ARE DOING OUTSTANDING WORK AND IT'S MAKING A DIFFERENCE IN LIVES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. IF YOU WANT TO GO FORWARD FOR A PICTURE WITH COUNCIL. THANK YOU. OKAY, GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. SEE YOU SOON. THANK YOU. OKAY. [00:20:07] THANK YOU VERY MUCH. NIKKI. NIKKI. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 4176575. HOW ARE YOU? HOW ARE YOU? GOOD. NICE TO HAVE YOU HERE. SHE IS HERE? YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO. OKAY. IT'S MY HONOR TO HAVE LUNG AWARENESS. CANCER AWARENESS. [4.C) Lung Cancer Awareness Month Proclamation.] PROCLAMATION. NIKI IS HERE TODAY. THE HARD, HARDEST WORKER BEHIND THE SCENES. WHEREAS LUNG CANCER IS IS THE LEADING CAUSE OF CANCER DEATHS IN THE UNITED STATES AND IS ESTIMATED THAT 124,730 DEATHS IN 2024. WHEREAS EARLY DETECTION THROUGH LOW DOSE COMPUTED TOMOGRAPHY SCREENING CAN REDUCE LUNG LUNG CANCER MORTALITY IN THE 20%. BOY. TONGUE TIED. TWO TIMES I'VE READ THESE STATISTICS. IT'S CRAZY. WHEREAS DESPITE MEDICAL RECOMMENDATIONS, ONLY 5 TO 15% OF ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS ARE ACTUALLY SCREENED FOR LUNG CANCER EACH YEAR, LEADING TO LATE STAGE DIAGNOSIS AND A POORER SURVIVAL RATE. WHEREAS EXPANDING ACCESS TO LUNG CANCER SCREENING AND RAISING AWARENESS OF ITS BENEFITS, AND IT'S CRITICAL TO REDUCING THE MORTALITY AND ENSURING THAT ALL ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS ARE SCREENED AND DIAGNOSED AT AN EARLY, MORE TREATABLE STAGE. WHEREAS PHYSICIANS REGIONAL, ALONG WITH HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS ACROSS FLORIDA, IS DEDICATED TO HELPING GUIDE PATIENTS THROUGH LUNG CANCER SCREENING PROCESS, FROM RISK ASSESSMENT AND EARLY DETECTION AND DIAGNOSIS, TREATMENT AND ONGOING SUPPORT. WHEREAS, INCREASING ACCESS TO SCREENING AND ENSURING THAT ALL ELIGIBLE FLORIDIANS ARE INFORMED TO THEIR RISK FACTORS ARE ESSENTIAL IN IMPROVING EARLY DETECTION, REDUCING THE BURDEN OF LUNG CANCER, AND SAVING LIVES IN THE STATE. NOW, THEREFORE, I, TERESA HEITMANN, BY THE VIRTUE OF THE AUTHORITY VESTED IN ME AS THE MAYOR FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF NOVEMBER TO BE DEDICATED TO LUNG CANCER SCREENING AWARENESS MONTH. I'LL TELL YOU, MY HUSBAND'S UNCLE. WE LOST HIM TO LUNG CANCER, AND HE WAS ONE OF THE DIAGNOSED AND DID A LOT OF TESTING FOR FOR HIS SURVIVAL. AND IT DID EXTEND HIS LIFE. BUT EARLY DETECTION WOULD HAVE HELPED. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK IF YOU'D LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS. SO MUCH. SO FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME HERE AND MAYOR FOR HAVING ME. I'M JUST GOING TO SAY A COUPLE WORDS. AS A PROUD NAPLES NATIVE, THIS MOMENT IS DEEPLY MEANINGFUL. OUR CITY IS KNOWN FOR COMPASSION, COMMUNITY SPIRIT, AND ITS PROCLAMATION TODAY REINFORCES THAT NAPLES STANDS UNITED IN THE FIGHT AGAINST LUNG CANCER. LUNG CANCER IS THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH IN BOTH MEN AND WOMEN. IT ACTUALLY KILLS MORE WOMEN THAN BREAST AND OVARIAN COMBINED, AND EVEN PROSTATE IF YOU WANT TO ADD IT ON THERE. IT'S A SILENT KILLER. SO YOUR LUNGS DO NOT HAVE NERVE RECEPTORS. SO YOU DON'T REALIZE THAT YOU HAVE LUNG CANCER UNTIL YOU'RE SYMPTOMATIC. IT'S KIND OF SAD. YOU GO IN AND YOU. AM I GOING TO READ THIS? IT'S SAD WHEN YOU GO IN AND YOU ARE ELIGIBLE FOR A FREE LUNG CANCER SCREENING EVERY YEAR. THE DOCTORS DO NOT HAVE. THEY REALLY DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT, BUT REALLY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO TELL YOU ABOUT IT. THEY HAVE TO TELL YOU ABOUT YOUR MAMMOGRAM AND YOUR COLONOSCOPY. LUNG CANCER. DESPITE THE FACT THAT LUNG CANCER KILLS MORE PEOPLE, IT'S ACTUALLY LUNG CANCER AWARENESS MONTH TOO, WHICH IS PERFECT. THEY DON'T HAVE TO. SO THAT'S MY JOB. MY JOB AS AN ADVOCATE. I'M WITH NAPLES CANCER ADVISORS, AND I'VE ALSO BEEN A FREELANCE ADVOCATE FOR LUNG CANCER BECAUSE I'VE ACTUALLY LOST SIX FAMILY MEMBERS TO LUNG CANCER. SO WHAT HAPPENS IS IT'S TOO LATE WHEN YOU BECOME SYMPTOMATIC. YOU'RE COUGHING UP BLOOD, YOU'RE SHORT OF BREATH. YOU'RE USUALLY IN STAGE THREE OR STAGE FOUR. SO WHAT A LOW DOSE CT SCAN DOES THAT YOU'RE ELIGIBLE FOR? EVERYBODY OVER THE AGE OF 50 TO 80 CAN HAVE A FREE LOW DOSE CT SCAN. UNFORTUNATELY, YOU HAVE TO ADVOCATE FOR YOURSELF, WHICH IS WHY I'M HERE TODAY, IS I WANT YOU TO ASK YOUR DOCTOR FOR A LOW DOSE CT SCAN. OKAY? NOT A REGULAR CT SCAN, A LOW DOSE CT SCAN. I ACTUALLY ACTUALLY NEGOTIATED CERTAIN PRICES ACTUALLY WITH PHYSICIANS, REGIONAL AND OTHER PLACES WHERE YOU CAN GO AND LIKE SOMEONE LIKE MYSELF, RIGHT. I SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET A LUNG CANCER SCREENING BECAUSE I HAVE GENETIC HISTORY, BUT TECHNICALLY I DON'T. IT'S NOT QUALIFIED. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES THAT OFFER OUT-OF-POCKET PRICES. IT'S $200. YOU GO GET A SCREENING. 28 TO 30% OF PEOPLE ARE UNDER 40 YEARS OLD THAT GET DIAGNOSED WITH LUNG CANCER. [00:25:03] YEAH, IT'S A REAL THING. IF YOU HAVE A SET OF LUNGS, YOU CAN GET CANCER. IT DOESN'T MATTER. BUT REALLY THERE'S YOU KNOW, YOU ALWAYS SEE ALL THESE. AND AGAIN, I'M A CANCER ADVOCATE THROUGH AND THROUGH. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT CANCER YOU HAVE, BUT LUNG CANCER IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO ME, WHICH IS WHY IT'S I'M SO HAPPY THAT YOU CHOSE TO SIGN THIS PROCLAMATION. I WOULD PROCLAMATION EVERY MONTH IF I COULD, IF YOU'D LET ME BACK. BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IS HAVING AWARENESS IS TO BE A PROACTIVE COMMUNITY AS OPPOSED TO A REACTIVE COMMUNITY. I'M SO PROUD TO BE HERE. I'M ACTUALLY FROM NAPLES. YOU WERE OUR FOOTBALL COACH AT SOME TIME AND SO I'M FROM HERE. MY KIDS GO TO SCHOOL HERE. I WANT TO GROW UP IN THIS, YOU KNOW, UTOPIA OF, YOU KNOW, A VERY PROACTIVE COMMUNITY, A HEALTHY WE'RE A BLUE ZONE COMMUNITY COMMUNITY. AND LET'S LET'S REINFORCE LET'S LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS. LET'S TELL OUR FRIENDS ABOUT IT, BECAUSE 1 IN 3 PEOPLE WILL END UP WITH SOME TYPE OF CANCER, AND PROBABLY MORE THAN LIKELY WILL BE A LUNG CANCER, JUST STATISTICALLY SPEAKING. SO IN FLORIDA ALONE, AS WE ARE SO POOR IN LUNG CANCER MORTALITY, AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING OUR JOB. WE'RE NOT SCREENING FOR EARLY DETECTION. I'M JUST GOING TO TELL YOU A SHORT STORY REALLY QUICK ABOUT MY FATHER, WHO PASSED AWAY AT 63 YEARS OLD. MY FATHER WAS A SMOKER. HE SMOKED FOR PROBABLY 20 YEARS OF HIS LIFE. AND THEN HE HE STOPPED SMOKING. ANYWAYS HE MET THE THE PERFECT PICTURE. I MEAN, HE SHOULD HAVE HAD A LUNG CANCER SCREENING. HE NEVER DID. BUT WHAT HE DID DO IS HE WENT IN THE DAY AFTER CHRISTMAS TWO YEARS AGO, AND HE HAD ABDOMINAL PAIN, WHICH IS HOW MOST CANCERS ARE FOUND IF YOU'RE NOT BEING PROACTIVE. SO HE WENT IN, HE WAS HAVING ABDOMINAL PAIN. AND THEY ENDED UP TAKING HIS APPENDIX. HE SAID YOUR APPENDIX WAS RUPTURED. BUT ON THAT SCAN, MY DAD WAS STILL SHORT OF BREATH. AND MY DAD WAS THIS LITTLE ITALIAN MAN AND NEVER COMPLAINED ABOUT ANYTHING, AND HE WAS STILL SHORT OF BREATH. I'M LIKE, DAD, YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO THE DOCTOR. SOMETHING'S WRONG. WELL, SIX WEEKS LATER, BECAUSE BY THE TIME YOU GO BACK TO THE DOCTORS, YOU KNOW IT'S USUALLY TOO LATE. SO HE GOES BACK AND HE'S LIKE, PRIMARY CARE. THEN THEY SEND HIM TO A PULMONOLOGIST AND THE PULMONOLOGIST. IT'S FEBRUARY RIGHT NOW. BY THE TIME MY DAD CAN GET INTO A DOCTOR. RIGHT. AND THEY WENT IN AND SAW THE PULMONOLOGIST PULLED UP THE SAME CT SCAN THAT THEY DID AT THE EMERGENCY ROOM. AND MY FATHER HAD LUNG CANCER THEN AT THAT TIME. AND WHAT'S HAPPENED IS WE ARE SO BUSY. THE DOCTORS ARE SO BUSY. THEY'RE THERE FOR HIS APPENDIX. THEY DON'T CARE THAT YOU HAVE A CALCIUM SCORE OF LIKE CRAZY, BECAUSE YOUR HEARTS ARE FULL OF CALCIUM, SO THEY DON'T CARE. THEY DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO. THEY'RE THERE TO TREAT THAT. RIGHT. SO WHICH IS GREAT. I MEAN, WORKING AT NAPLES CANCER ADVISORS IS A PERFECT HOME FOR ME BECAUSE WE OFFER FREE ONCOLOGY EXPERT SECOND OPINION SERVICES. WE ACTUALLY EMPLOY EXPERT ONCOLOGISTS FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD IN ALL DIFFERENT SUBSPECIALTIES OF CANCER. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT KIND OF CANCER YOU HAVE THAT YOU CAN COME AND SEE US COMPLETELY FOR FREE LUNG, BREAST, ANYTHING AND WE'RE NOT ALIGNED WITH ANY INSTITUTION OR PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY. WE ARE LIKE AN HONEST BROKER. WE OFFER ALL THE FREE GENETIC TESTING AND BIOMARKER TESTING AND YOU CAN COME IN. WE WORK ALONGSIDE YOUR ONCOLOGIST COMPLETELY FOR FREE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THOSE PEOPLE THAT HAVE. DIED. AND THEY DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE TIME TO THINK. SO THERE'S PEOPLE LIKE ME. I LOVE. YOU. I LOVE YOU. I JUST WANT TO RECOGNIZE A NEW MEMBER OF OUR STAFF, ALEXIS, WHO IS IN THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND HANDLING ASSISTING MONIQUE AND THE CITY WITH COMMUNICATIONS. AND SHE'S OFF AND RUNNING AND A GREAT ADDITION, SO WELCOME. OKAY. WITH THAT WE'RE AT PUBLIC COMMENT IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK BEFORE, COUNCIL. [5) PUBLIC COMMENTS ] [00:30:01] THE REGISTRATION FORMS ARE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM, CAN BE FILLED OUT AND GIVEN TO THE CLERK. WITH THAT, OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS MEGAN EVANS. GOOD MORNING, I'M MEGAN EVANS. I LIVE AT 1625 ZORA DRIVE. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. I AM ONE OF THE COALITION MEMBERS WHO SUBMITTED A LETTER TODAY AND SENT COUNCIL A LETTER VOICING OUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE UPCOMING NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY. APPOINTMENTS. THIS COALITION CONSISTS OF SEVEN HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS. THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS CITY COUNCIL HAS A VERY IMPORTANT DECISION TO MAKE THIS MONTH ON THE NEW APPOINTEES. WE ARE ASKING THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS ARE VETTED AND NOT IDENTIFIED AS PEOPLE WHO ARE ANTI-GRANT ANTI-AIRPORT. THIS IS NOT ABOUT HOME RULE. OUR CONCERN IS BECAUSE THE LAST TWO APPOINTED COMMISSIONERS WERE ANTI-GRANT, AS EVIDENCED BY THE REJECTION OF THE $9.5 MILLION GRANT THAT WAS TO GO FOR AIRPORT SAFETY AND MAINTENANCE. NOT ACCEPTING GRANTS WILL NOT CHANGE THE FLIGHT PATH. IT WILL NOT CHANGE THE RUNWAY CONFIGURATION. WE ARE COMPLETELY EMPATHETIC WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT AIRPORT NOISE. THIS IS NOT ABOUT DISCOUNTING THEIR CONCERNS, BUT I THINK THIS HAS BEEN ADDRESSED THROUGH HUNDREDS OF HOURS THROUGH THE CURRENT NA, THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY. AND THEY'RE TRYING TO FIND RESOLUTIONS FOR THIS. THESE GRANTS IMPACT BOTH SAFETY AND ECONOMICS. IN NAPLES, THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE THAT ARE AFFILIATED ECONOMICALLY THROUGH WHAT HAPPENS AT THE AIRPORT. AND I KNOW YOU'RE ALL VERY AWARE OF THAT. STARVING THE AIRPORT FOR MONEY IS NOT WHAT ANY OF US WANT. IT SHIFTS THE BURDEN ONTO THE NAPLES TAXPAYERS. SO WE'RE ASKING WHEN YOU DO THESE INTERVIEWS AND THE TWO APPOINTEES THAT YOU TAKE MAKE A CONSIDERATION FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE OPEN MINDED ABOUT REPRESENTING ALL OF NAPLES, AND NOT JUST ONE PARTICULAR COMMUNITY WHO IS IMPACTED MORE THAN OTHERS BY NOISE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU'RE DOING ON THIS. I THINK THAT MISS PETRANOFF RESPONDED TO OUR EMAIL. WE'RE VERY GRATEFUL FOR THAT. YOU CAME UP WITH SOME VERY INTERESTING IDEAS AND SUGGESTIONS, SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU ALL AND THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW, THAT THIS COUNCIL MADE THE REQUEST TO CONSIDER NOT ACCEPTING GRANTS NEVER DEMANDING IT. THE BOARD MADE THAT DECISION AND NOT TAKING GRANTS FOR SAFETY AND MAINTENANCE. MR. ROSANSKY WAS VERY CLEAR WITH SOMETHING HE JUST COULDN'T CONSIDER. SO I THINK THAT WORKING TOGETHER AND MAKING SURE THE RECORD IS STRAIGHT IS MOST IMPORTANT. BUT THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THE AWARENESS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MAYOR. AND I DO AGREE WE'RE ALL VERY CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY. AND I THINK THAT GIVEN THAT THE GROWTH IN NAPLES, IT'S VERY CONCERNING BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO BALANCE THE GROWTH OF THE AIRPORT, THE SAFETY OF THE AIRPORT, AND ALL OF THE PEOPLE MOVING TO NAPLES FOR THE QUALITY OF LIFE WE ALL ENJOY. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. BETTER TO WORK TOGETHER THAN AGAINST ONE ANOTHER. THANK YOU. AND WE'RE WIDE OPEN TO WORKING WITH YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS SLATE DABNEY. FOLLOWED BY VICKI PADLO. GOOD MORNING, AND THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO BE HERE. FIRST OF ALL, I COULD. YOU ARE. OH, I'M SLATE DABNEY AND I LIVE AT 62 SIXTH STREET SOUTH, DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE WEST ENTRANCE TO THE LIBRARY. IN FACT, IF YOU COULD HIT A GOLF BALL STRAIGHT, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO HIT IT RIGHT THROUGH MY FRONT DOOR FROM THAT EXIT OR ENTRANCE. BUT ANYWAY, I COULDN'T AGREE MORE WITH WHAT THE LAST SPEAKER SAID. I DID NOT CATCH HER NAME, BUT I AGREE, I THINK, AND I'M ONLY SPEAKING FOR MYSELF. I'M NOT EMPOWERED TO SPEAK FOR ANYONE ELSE, NOR DO I WISH TO. I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT, PARTICULARLY NOW THAT PERHAPS YOUR SELECTION PROCESS MAY BE CHANGED VERY SOON, THAT THE WAY THE SELECTIONS ARE MADE THIS UPCOMING TIME BE DONE BASED ON MERIT AND INDEPENDENCE. I THINK IT WOULD BE NICE IF YOU ALL COULD LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT THESE NAR DIRECTORS REALLY ARE SUPPOSED TO DO, BECAUSE THEY ARE LIKE BOARD DIRECTORS IN A CORPORATION, AND BOARD DIRECTORS DO HAVE CERTAIN AREAS OF RESPONSIBILITY. THERE ARE QUITE THERE'S QUITE A BIT WRITTEN ABOUT CORPORATE GOVERNANCE. [00:35:06] YOU DO HAVE A VERY GOOD LAWYER WHO I'M SURE CAN ASSIST YOU ON THAT TOPIC. THERE'S ACTUALLY I FOUND AN ARTICLE LAST NIGHT WRITTEN ABOUT WHAT OUR NEW COMMISSION MEMBERS OR WHAT COMMISSION MEMBERS ON ON AIR TRANSPORTATION BOARDS SHOULD BE DOING AND THINKING ABOUT. I'M NOT GOING TO STAND HERE AND TRY TO TELL YOU THOSE THINGS. BE GLAD TO SHARE THE ARTICLE WITH ANYONE WHO MIGHT WANT TO SEE IT. THE ONLY OTHER THING I WAS GOING TO MENTION IS GRANTS. THERE COULD BE SOME CONFUSION ABOUT GRANTS. I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT CITY COUNCIL'S POSITION, MADAM MAYOR. I'M WELL AWARE OF IT. THE CONFUSION IS NOT WITH WHAT YOU ALL DID OR SAID. I HOPE THE CONFUSION MIGHT LIE IN THE MINDS OF SOME OF THE EVEN NA MEMBERS. COULD BE, I DON'T KNOW. YOU DO HAVE MR. KIRSCH, WHO'S NOT YOURS, AND MR. BARR, WHO IS YOURS? THESE ARE EXTRAORDINARILY TALENTED PEOPLE. BELIEVE ME, I KNOW WHAT QUALITY IS, AND THEY ARE GOOD. IF THERE'S ANY UNCERTAINTY ON THIS TOPIC OR EVEN JUST TO TO CINCH IT UP, YOU CAN GET THEM TOGETHER ON A ZOOM CALL AND DISCUSS IT. THAT'S HOW YOU DID SOME OF THE STUFF WHEN YOU WERE DEALING WITH THE TRUST FOR THE GOLF COURSE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY TO BRING THEM HERE IF YOU REALLY DON'T WANT TO, BUT THAT'S YOUR CHOICE. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK. PLEASE DO NOT LET GEOGRAPHY DICTATE WHO YOU PUT ON THIS BOARD. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS VICKY PADLO. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. I'M HERE TO READ A LETTER FROM MY DAUGHTER. SHE'S NOT AVAILABLE. IT'S REGARDING CAMBIER PARK. SHE SAYS I REGRET NOT BEING ABLE TO BE BEFORE YOU TODAY IN PERSON. HOWEVER, I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR MY MOM TO BE ABLE TO BE READING THESE WORDS TO YOU IN MY BEHALF. I WRITE THIS LETTER AS A MOTHER AND 32 YEAR OLD, 32 YEAR RESIDENT OF OUR BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY. I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE OF GROWING UP HERE IN NAPLES AND ENJOYING ALL OF ITS UNIQUE CHARM SINCE I WAS A CHILD. THERE ARE SO MANY MEMORIES I COULD SHARE OF HOW MUCH BEING RAISED IN A PLACE LIKE THIS HAS IMPACTED ME MY LIFE. I'VE SEEN IT GROW AND CHANGE OVER THE DECADES, ESPECIALLY SINCE SO MANY PEOPLE FOUND OUT ABOUT OUR LITTLE NECK OF THE WOODS AND BEGAN BEGAN MOVING HERE. ONE OF THE MOST CHARMING GEMS DOWNTOWN HAS ALWAYS BEEN CAMBIER PARK. ITS HISTORY IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE ASPECTS, NOT JUST THAT IT WAS ESTABLISHED IN THE EARLY DAYS OF NAPLES AS A CITY, BUT THAT IT WAS DONE AS A COMMUNITY PROJECT. SO MUCH LOVE AND IMAGINATION WENT INTO THE DESIGN OF THIS ORIGINAL PARK, AND IT SHOWS AND YOU CAN FEEL IT. MOST OF MY LIFE I'VE ENJOYED THE PARK. EVEN AS I GET CLOSER, EVEN AS I GET OLDER, I STILL FOUND SUCH A SPECIAL PLACE TO BE ABLE TO GO AND RELAX, EAT LUNCH, WALK MY DOG. THE CENTERPIECE, OF COURSE, BEING THE PLAYGROUND. THE LAST FEW YEARS THOUGH, I HAVE MADE MY FAVORITE MEMORIES YET TAKING MY OWN SON. THERE HE IS NOW ALMOST FOUR, AND I HAVE BEEN TAKING TRISTAN TO PLAY AT CAMBIER PARK SINCE HE WAS A BABY, A TOT LOT. JUST PERFECT FOR HIM TO PLAY ON WHEN HE WAS TOO SMALL TO BE ABLE TO ENJOY THE BIGGER SIDE, OR FOR THAT MATTER, MOST OF THE OTHER PARKS IN THE AREA. IT WOULD ENTERTAIN HIM FOR LONG PERIODS OF TIME SINCE THERE WERE AREAS HE COULD ACTUALLY CLIMB ON SAFELY. LEARN TO USE A PLAYGROUND AT HIS OWN LEVEL, NOT TO MENTION THE SHADE PROVIDED BY MUCH RELIEF WHEN IT WAS HOT. AS A NEWLY MOBILE TODDLER, HE WAS CONSTANTLY YOU CAN FINISH HE. HE WAS CONSTANTLY BEING HUNTING FOR STICKS AND STONES AND FEELING THE MULCH UNDER HIS FEET, IN THE DIRT, IN HIS FINGERS. IT WAS NOT UNCOMMON TO SEE BIRDS HANGING AROUND AND ACTUALLY SQUIRRELS BUYING BEARING NUTS UNDER THE SLIDE. YES, THIS HAS HAPPENED IN THE KIDS AROUND WERE ABSOLUTELY DELIGHTED. THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT THE PLAYGROUND ITSELF. BEING THAT CLOSE TO NATURE, THAT MAKES IT VERY SPECIAL. MY STROLLER WALKING GROUPS USED TO MEET THERE MOST WEEKS, SINCE IT WAS SO PERFECT FOR OUR VERY YOUNG CHILDREN ONCE THEY GOT TIRED OF WALKING. AS TRISTAN GOTTEN OLDER, WE HAVE GONE TO PLAY AT MOST OF THE OTHER PLAYGROUNDS IN THE CITY IN GREATER COLLIER COUNTY AREA. [00:40:06] WE'RE SO LUCKY TO HAVE SUCH A WELL-MAINTAINED, LUCKY TO HAVE SUCH WELL-MAINTAINED, NICE PARKS. BOTH THE CITY OF NAPLES AND COLLIER COUNTY HAVE DONE A WONDERFUL JOB CREATING. DO I HAVE TO STOP? JUST FINISH. A VARIETY OF PLAYGROUNDS FOR ALL OF US TO ENJOY. IT SEEMS THEY ALL HAVE SOMETHING DIFFERENT TO OFFER. WE ENJOY FLESHMAN PARK FOR THE TALL SLIDE ZIP LINE. CAN YOU DIG PART FOR DIGGING, SUGDEN, SINCE IT'S SO CLOSE TO HIS GRANDMA'S HOUSE? NO ONE, NO ONE WOULD WANT ANY OF THESE PLAYGROUND DESIGNS TO BE ALTERED OR TO CHANGED FOR ANOTHER PURPOSE. HOWEVER, NONE OF THESE OTHER PARKS HAVE THE SPECIAL UNIQUE CHARM THAT CAMBIER DOES. IT IS IN A CATEGORY ALL OF ITS OWN, SINCE TRISTAN HAS BEEN ENJOYING THE BIG KID SIDE OF THE LOT AS WELL A LOT. I THINK MY OPINION HAS ONLY GOTTEN STRONGER. THE PIRATE SHIP, THE PLATFORMS, THE BRIDGES, THE LITTLE HIDEY HOLES, THE STAIRCASES. IT'S JUST CHILDHOOD MAGIC. TRISTAN PRETENDS HE'S ON A SPACESHIP ONE MINUTE IN JURASSIC PARK AND THE OTHER. THE DESIGN OF THE PLAYGROUND IS HIGHLY CONDUCIVE TO IMAGINATIVE PLAY. SINCE ACTUALLY IMAGINATIVE PLAY HAS BEEN A DEVELOPMENTAL REALITY FOR US, THIS PARK HAS BECOME INCOMPARABLY INCOMPARABLE TO ANYTHING ELSE. JUST LAST WEEK, BEFORE IT WAS SHUT DOWN, TRISTAN MADE FRIENDS WITH A LITTLE GIRL AND WAS THEY WERE PRETENDING TO BE DRAGONS. YOU CAN'T EVEN MAKE THIS STUFF UP. I'VE EVEN BEEN WITNESS TO THIS. NOT JUST MY OWN KIDS, BUT WITH COUNTLESS OTHERS. WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME OUTSIDE. SINCE TRISTAN HAS NEVER BEEN WHAT YOU WOULD CALL A SCREEN KID. I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF STAYING HOME WITH HIM. THEREFORE, I HAVE MY EAR TO THE GROUND. I HEAR WHAT OTHER LOCAL PARENTS SAY AS WELL AS VISITORS DURING SEASON. I CAN TELL YOU WITH SO MUCH CONFIDENCE THAT PEOPLE TRULY LOVE THIS PARK. THEY LOVE THAT IT DOES NOT HAVE AN ARTIFICIAL PLASTIC FEEL. THEY LOVE THAT THEY LOVE THE OLD WORLD CHARM AND THE DAYS HAVE PASSED. THE QUALITY, I MEAN THE ABILITY TO STROLL THE PATHWAYS. I COULD GO, I COULD GO ON AND ON. BUT I REALIZE IT IS. IT NEEDS UPDATING, NOT REDESIGN. AND FOR SAFETY. I'M SORRY. I'M CONSCIOUS OF THIS TIME. WE WANT THE UNIQUE MAGIC OF CAMBIER PARK TO BE PRESERVED WHILE BEING BY BEING HELD TO THE STANDARD BEFITTING THIS AMAZING COMMUNITY. OLDE NAPLES AND DOWNTOWN IS THE HEART OF NAPLES, SO LET'S BRING IN A PLAYGROUND DESIGN COMPANY THAT SPECIALIZES IN CREATING A PARK THAT WE CAN TRULY TREASURE. WE CAN WORK OUT THE ESTHETICS, BUT THE LAYOUT AND THE DESIGN IS PARAMOUNT. IN MY OPINION, HAVING A FEW DIFFERENT COMPANIES TO COMPETE WITH ONE ANOTHER AND SHOW US THEIR BEST WORK, INCLUDING ONE THAT HAS KNOWLEDGE AND THE EXACT TYPE OF THE PARK WE HAD, WOULD BE A FAIR PATH TOWARDS FORWARD FOR EVERYONE AND ENSURE WE MAINTAIN OUR HISTORICAL CHARM AND CHARACTER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU AND LET YOUR DAUGHTER KNOW THAT SHE'S A VOICE FOR MANY PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY. WE APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. WITH THAT IT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT RENT AND MOVING TO THE CONSENT [APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA] AGENDA. COUNCIL MOTION TO APPROVE. I MOVE APPROVAL. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY VICE MAYOR AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CRAMER. ALL IN FAVOR? SIGN BY I OPPOSED. THANK YOU. COUNCIL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. AND THAT TAKES US TO. ITEM NINE. THERE AREN'T ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS GOING TO THE REGULAR AGENDA. WE'LL MOVE TO 13 A NEW BUSINESS. [13.A) Consideration and Discussion of the New Special Event Applications Enumerated Below:1.    Cars on 5th Evening Dinner – 5th Avenue South 2.    77th Annual Swamp Buggy Parade – US 41] YES. GOOD MORNING, CHAD MERRITT, COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR. I'M ACTUALLY GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO DANIELLE AND ALLOW HER TO DO AN OVERVIEW. AND WE'LL KIND OF DO THE ONE BY ONE. AND I THINK THAT ALWAYS SEEMS TO BE A LITTLE EASIER. SO WE'LL LET HER TALK ABOUT THE CARS ON FIFTH. EVENING DINNER FIRST. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING DANIELLE. SPECIAL EVENTS AND MARKETING. SUPERVISOR. SO THE FIRST EVENT IS CARS ON FIFTH EVENING DINNER. THE APPLICANT IS NAPLES AUTOMOTIVE EXPERIENCE. THEY ARE NOT A NONPROFIT. THE EVENT DATE IS FEBRUARY 7TH, 2026. THE EVENT LOCATION IS FIFTH STREET SOUTH, NOT FIFTH AVE SOUTH AS IT SAYS ON THE AGM. [00:45:04] THE HOURS ARE. THE SET UP TIME IS FROM 4:30 P.M. TO 7 P.M.. THE EVENT TIME IS 7 P.M. TO 10 P.M. AND THE TAKEDOWN TIME IS 10 P.M. TO 11 P.M.. ESTIMATED ATTENDANCE IS 120. THIS IS A PRIVATE EVENT. THIS WILL BE A STREET CLOSURE. THERE IS NOT AMPLIFIED SOUND. THERE IS ALCOHOL. THERE ARE NO TENTS, NO SANITARY FACILITIES. AND THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED 120 DAYS PRIOR TO THE EVENT DATE. YEAH. AND SO I'LL ADD THE STAFF FEEDBACK ON THIS. AND THE REASON IT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY IS I KNOW IN THE PAST AND THE APPROVALS, WE'VE ALL DISCUSSED ABOUT THE CARS ON FIFTH EVENT CONTINUING TO EXPAND ITS FOOTPRINT AND THIS EXPANDS IT INTO TONIGHT. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE THIS BEFORE YOU AND MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT YOU WOULD WANT THIS. AND THERE IS IT DOES HAVE IMPACT. I THINK YOU ALL HAVE RECEIVED SOME RESPONSE FROM THE BID. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT. IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS, LET ME KNOW. OTHERWISE THE ORGANIZER IS HERE IF YOU'VE GOT QUESTIONS FOR THEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL DISCUSSION. COMMENTS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER KRISEMAN. SO WE APPROVE CARS ON FIFTH AS AN EVENT FOR THIS YEAR A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. WHEN DID WE APPROVE IT? THAT WAS, I BELIEVE, BACK IN THE BEFORE SUMMER BREAK. MAYBE. I'D HAVE TO GO BACK THAT LONG AGO. YEAH. YES, SIR. JUNE. MAY. MAY. JUNE. YES, SIR. SO NOW WE'RE IN NOVEMBER. THIS WASN'T CONTEMPLATED ORIGINALLY. NO, SIR. YEAH. AND WHAT IS THE YOU MENTIONED THE BID. WHAT'S WHAT'S THE FEEDBACK FROM THE BID? I MEAN, I THINK I HAD SOME FEEDBACK, BUT I WANT TO HEAR WHAT YOU'RE. I THINK YOU SENT A LETTER. AND YOU MAY HAVE TO HELP ME WITH THE MEMORIES AND WHAT EXACTLY THEIR STANCE WAS, BUT I THINK IT WAS ALONG THE LINES OF, THEY SUPPORT EVENTS THAT BENEFIT THE ENTIRE FIFTH AVENUE. AND IN THIS CASE, IT ONLY BENEFITS A PORTION OF IT. AND THEY FEEL IT HAS A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON OTHER AREAS OR OTHER BUSINESSES ON THE AVENUE. IF YOU HAVE A CLOSURE. AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE LETTER AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT THAT WAS PRETTY MUCH A SUMMARY OF IT. AND WE ALSO HAVE A YOU POINT OUT SOMEWHERE, I THINK, IN THE MATERIAL THAT THERE'S A AN EVENT ON THE SUNDAY FOLLOWING THIS SATURDAY. CORRECT. AND CAMBIER PARK. YES, SIR. AND WHAT? AND TELL TELL US, TELL US ALL WHAT THAT IS. IT WOULD BE THE SUNDAY SERVICE FROM CELEBRATION BEACH. AND THEN I BELIEVE THERE IS ALSO A JAZZ CONCERT IN THE AFTERNOON. OKAY. AND AND THE AND THIS DO WE HAVE ANY POLICE FEEDBACK AND ON ON ADDING THIS EVENT TO THE EXISTING CARS ON FIFTH EVENT? WE'VE. GOOD MORNING, LIEUTENANT O'REILLY, NAPLES POLICE DEPARTMENT. THE FEEDBACK WE HAVE IS THE PLAN PROPOSED BY THE ORGANIZER IS ADEQUATE FOR SECURITY NEEDS, THE VEHICLE STOPPING BARRICADES AND THE SECURITY PLAN. AND OUR STAFFING CAN ACCOMMODATE THE EVENT. OTHER THAN THAT, WE HAVE NO OPINION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. SO. AND THERE'LL BE ADDITIONAL COSTS TO THE CITY FOR THIS? NO, SIR. THE COSTS ARE FULLY BORNE BY THE ORGANIZERS, AND AND WE DON'T HAVE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SECURITY IN TERMS OF THE COST TO THE CITY, IN TERMS OF POLICE OFFICERS. WE WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL OFFICERS. HOWEVER, THEY WILL BE PAID FOR BY THE EVENT ORGANIZERS AND THE STAFFING LEVELS. AS I SAID, WE CAN ACCOMMODATE. WE'RE THERE EARLIER FOR THE FOR THE THE MAIN EVENT EARLIER IN THE DAY. IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF HAVING TWO OF THE OFFICERS HOLD OVER. I DON'T ANTICIPATE HAVING ANY PROBLEM DOING THAT. AND THEN MY FINAL QUESTION IS, AND I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THIS IS FOR THE EVENT ORGANIZER WHO'S IN THE AUDIENCE. IF MR. O'RIORDAN, COULD YOU COME FORWARD? GOOD MORNING. AND IF YOU'LL STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. DO I HAVE TO HIT THIS OR IS IT LIVE? I'M TOM O'BRIEN. I'M THE ORGANIZER FOR CARDS ON FIFTH. AND WHY DO YOU WANT TO DO THIS? THE IDEA ACTUALLY CAME UP RIGHT AFTER THE PERMIT WAS APPROVED BY ONE OF OUR MAJOR SPONSORS, SORT OF A PARTNER NOW TO DO THE AWARD CEREMONY FOR THE CARS THERE. THE IDEA BASICALLY ORIGINATED WAS THEY'RE TAKING DOWN ALL THE DEL MAR RESTAURANT FOR THE ENTIRE DAY FOR THE BEST CLIENTS, AND THERE'LL BE TICKETS SOLD FOR THAT. AND THEN THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE STREET AND SAID, THIS WOULD BE A GREAT PLACE IF WE ORGANIZED ALL THE BEST CARS, [00:50:07] THE AWARD WINNING CARS THAT WE COULD PUT ON THE STREET. I THINK I KNOW I'D CIRCULATED THE PICTURES. EVER GOT TO COUNCIL OR NOT, BUT IT WAS KIND OF A REALLY COOL IDEA, I THOUGHT. AND SO WE'D BRING IN SORT OF THE HYPERCARS, SUPERCARS, THE ONES THAT WERE ELIGIBLE FOR AWARDS AND HAVE A DINNER ON THE STREET. AND THEY'VE DONE THIS THEY RUN THE PREMIER FERRARI EVENTS AROUND THE WORLD, AND THEY'VE DONE THEY JUST DID IT IN SARDINIA ABOUT A MONTH AGO. THEY DO IT IN THE SAME, SAME TYPE OF THING IN PALM BEACH AND NOW IN BOCA. SO THEY'VE RUN THIS TYPE OF THING BEFORE AND IT JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S A REALLY SORT OF CLASSY THING. SO IDEA CAME UP AFTER THE PERMIT WENT IN KIND OF CIRCULATED SOME OF THE THINGS I THINK SOME OF YOU SAW SOME TEXTS I SENT AND STUFF ON IT JUST TO GET WHAT YOU THOUGHT. I ALWAYS TRY TO GET FEEDBACK FROM EVERYONE I CAN TO SEE IF WHAT WE THINK. AND THEN WE PUT, YOU KNOW, PUT THE PERMIT IN ORIGINALLY. PUT THE PERMIT IN FOR FIFTH AVENUE. MET WITH THE BID OR DISCUSSED IT WITH THE BID BACK IN JULY, I GUESS DIDN'T HAVE A LOT OF FEEDBACK UNTIL ABOUT THE END OF SEPTEMBER. MET WITH THEM, AND THEY THOUGHT THAT WHAT THEY STATED, WHICH WAS THEY THEY REALLY DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF CLOSING PART OF FIFTH AVENUE AND ASKED. I SHOULDN'T SAY ASKED US, BUT BASICALLY THE IDEA CAME UP. IF YOU COULD CLOSE ALL OF FIFTH AVENUE FOR THE EVENING. THEY WERE THEY WERE SUPPORTIVE OF THAT IDEA. CANDIDLY, IT WAS BASICALLY LOOKING AFTER THE LONG TABLE EVENT. AND I SAID, I SAID, WELL, I, WE DON'T I DON'T KNOW HOW TO RUN A LONG TABLE EVENT. YOU KNOW, YOU DO THIS ALL THE TIME. WE TALKED ABOUT USING THE SAME RENTAL COMPANY WHICH THEY, THEY LIKED BECAUSE THEY USE OUR RENTAL GUY. THEY USE FOR THE LONG TABLE EVENT. BUT THEN I GUESS IT REALLY CAME DOWN TO COST. YOU KNOW, NUMBER ONE, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO RUN THAT EVENT IN THE EVENING. I HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT LIQUOR LICENSES. I DON'T KNOW WHAT RESTAURANTS ARE INVOLVED OR EVEN THE CONTEXT FOR MOST OF THE RESTAURANTS. SO SO THEN I THOUGHT, WELL, OKAY, IF WE CAN'T CLOSE DOWN FIFTH AVENUE, THE SECOND OPTION, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, DEL MAR LOOKS RIGHT UP FIFTH STREET JUST THAT SMALL SECTION OF FIFTH STREET, IF WE COULD DO THAT. AND THAT'S WHERE WE SORT OF AMENDED THE PERMIT TO BE FIFTH STREET. SO SO COULD YOU JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF COUNCIL, BUT ALSO FOR THE PUBLIC, WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE LOCATION OF THE LONG TABLE EVENT? IT WOULD BE ON FIFTH STREET BETWEEN FIFTH AVENUE. AND THEN I GUESS IT'S THE ALLEY THAT COMES UP BY THERE'S A, I THINK A BANK DRIVE THROUGH OR SOMETHING OR A DRIVE THROUGH THAT COMES OUT. IT'S ABOUT WE HAD IT ALL IN THE MAP. I THINK IT WAS ALL LAID OUT, BUT I THINK IT'S FROM FIFTH AVENUE NORTH. FIFTH STREET NORTH, I MEAN, BUT IT'S THE SAME SECTION ON FIFTH STREET FROM FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH. NORTH? YES. IT'S THE SAME AREA THAT'S CLOSED FOR, FOR, YOU KNOW, DURING FIFTH, DURING DEL AND DEL MAR IS THE RESTAURANT THAT'S GOING TO CATER THIS EVENT. THEY WOULD CATER IT. YES. AND THEY'RE ACROSS THE STREET. YEAH. WHEN YOU'RE ON THE BALCONY OF DALMORE YOU LOOK RIGHT UP, YOU LOOK RIGHT UP FIFTH STREET. SO YEAH. SO THAT FIFTH STREET WILL BE CLOSED BETWEEN FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH AND FOURTH AVENUE SOUTH. NOT ALL THE WAY. NOT ONLY TO. THERE'S AN ALLEY. I THINK THAT RUNS THROUGH THERE. OKAY. TO THE ALLEY. SO IT'S AGAIN, THE SAME COULD BE USED FOR ANY OTHER ROAD CLOSURES. NO. NO IMPACT ON FIFTH AVENUE ITSELF. NOT. NOT THAT I'M AWARE OF. I MEAN, IT'S THE SAME. LIKE I SAID, IT'S THE SAME STREET THAT'S CLOSED DURING DURING DURING CARS ON FIFTH. SO SAME SECTION OF THE STREET THAT'S CLOSED. ALL ROADS WILL BE OPEN EXCEPT FOR THIS, EXCEPT FOR THAT FIFTH STREET IN THE AREA FROM FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH TO THE ALLEY IMMEDIATELY. IMMEDIATELY NORTH. CORRECT. SO IT WOULD JUST BE THE THE FIFTH STREET RIGHT ACROSS, AND IT'LL SHUT DOWN. LEAVE THE BARRICADES WILL BE RIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY'LL BE INSIDE OF THE CROSSWALK OR OUTSIDE OF THE CROSSWALK, BUT AS FAR AS IMPACTS, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW THAT AGAIN IN THE BID LETTER, I THINK THAT SHE MADE A STATEMENT THAT IT WOULD HAVE IMPACTS ON THE TRAFFIC FOR THEM, BUT THAT'S OBVIOUSLY IT'LL HAVE SOME IMPACT. YOU KNOW, ANY, ANY, ANY CLOSURE OF ANY KIND HAS SOME IMPACT. OKAY. AGAIN, MY QUESTION IS REALLY AIMED AT TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT EXACTLY WAS AND WHAT THE THE FULL IMPACT AND IMPLICATIONS OF IT WERE. I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, MAYOR. I HAVE COUNCILMEMBER CRAMER. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO SAY MR. REARDON YOU'RE QUITE THE VISIONARY. AND WHEN YOU KIND OF WERE REACHING OUT I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THIS WAS GOING. AND IN THE MEANTIME, WE'RE ALSO DISCUSSING WITH COUNCIL ON LIMITING EVENTS DOWNTOWN BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT ON THE ON THE NEIGHBORS. [00:55:09] SO EVEN THOUGH I THINK YOU HAVE GREAT IDEAS, MY CONCERNS ARE THAT IT'S A LONG DAY. AND THE QUESTION THAT COUNCIL MEMBER KRISEMAN ASKED AND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE RESTAURANT IS GOING TO CATER IT ACROSS THE STREET IS THEY'RE NOT YOU CAN'T HAVE THE EVENT AT DEL MAR. WELL, AGAIN, IT'S A IT'S ABOUT THE CAR DISPLAY AS MUCH AS ANYTHING BECAUSE THE, YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE THE THE AWARD CARS THAT THAT ARE THERE. SO AND ALL THE CANDIDATE CARS THESE WOULD BE THE, YOU KNOW CARS PROBABLY AVERAGE VALUE FROM $1 MILLION AND UP YOU KNOW. SO THESE ARE THE ONES THAT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE. THEY ACTUALLY HAD THEY SPENT $50,000. DUPONT REGISTRY DID TO HAVE PININFARINA DESIGN THE TROPHIES RIGHT THERE. INTERESTING I'LL SAY THAT. BUT BUT I MEAN, THEY'LL BE VERY PRESTIGIOUS AWARDS, THESE THINGS. SO ANYWAY, AND THEN THE SECOND OR THE THIRD CONCERN THAT I HAVE IS THAT IT IS FOR A PRIVATE EVENT. AND THAT WOULD BE SETTING A PRECEDENT THAT I DON'T THINK THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY. SO WITH THAT, I HAVE COUNCILMEMBER PITTMAN. ANYBODY ELSE? I THINK I THINK YOU DID ANSWER MY QUESTION. AND YOUR PROCEEDS DO NOT. YOU ARE NOT. YOU ARE A NOT FOR YOU ARE NOT A NOT FOR PROFIT. NO, WE'VE NEVER BEEN A NOT FOR PROFIT. OKAY. AND YOUR PROCEEDS. BUT OUR PROCEEDS GO TO, TO HABITAT FOR HABITAT. OKAY. BECAUSE YOU USED TO THEY USED TO GO TO SAINT MATTHEW'S HOUSE. SAINT MATTHEW'S HOUSE DECIDED NOT TO CONTINUE WITH THE SHOW. THEY'VE BEEN WITH US FOR EIGHT YEARS AND WANTED TO MOVE ON TO SOME OTHER THINGS, SMALLER EVENTS. AND SO WE INTERVIEWED A BUNCH OF CHARITIES AND HABITAT WE SELECTED. SO OBVIOUSLY HABITAT IS PRETTY IMPORTANT HERE IN COLLIER COUNTY. SO IMPORTANT TO ME TO I'VE WORKED WITH THEM FOR YEARS. SO SURE. OKAY. COUNCIL ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MR. O'RIORDAN? IF I SAY ONE MORE THING, THERE IS A THE PORSCHE CLUB STILL HAS AN EVENT THAT THEY CLOSE DOWN PARK STREET ON THURSDAYS, I THINK. I THINK IT'S ONCE A MONTH. ARE THEY STILL DOING THAT? THEY WERE DOING IT FOR A LONG TIME. YEAH. THAT'S PART OF EVENINGS ON FIFTH. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT THE ONLY THING THAT WHAT YOU CALL THE PORSCHE CLUB, IT'S A PARADISE GROUP, I GUESS THEY CALL THEMSELVES. BUT THAT'S. THEY'RE SHUTTING DOWN PARK STREET FOR THE SAME, SAME TYPE OF THING. SO IT'S STILL, I GUESS, A PRIVATE EVENT OR. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY CALL THAT ONE. DO THEY, DO THEY APPLY THEMSELVES OR SOMEONE ELSE DO THAT? I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS. THAT'S A PLOT BY THE BID. THAT'S A BID EVENT. OKAY. OKAY. ANYWAY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE PROCEEDS THAT GO TO THE NOT FOR PROFIT. AND WHAT NUMBERS ARE THOSE? WELL, WE DON'T KNOW. THIS YEAR WE JUST STARTED TICKET SALES FOR LAST YEAR WAS $2.9 MILLION. THEY REPORT GROSS. YOU KNOW, MOST OF THE CHARITIES REPORT GROSS. SO THEY HAVE COSTS AND THINGS. BUT YOU KNOW THE REPORTED NUMBER WAS 2.9 MILLION. I'M NOT I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THEIR NET WAS. WE RUN A LOT OF MONEY. WE ALLOW THEM TO COLLECT MONEY DIRECTLY SO WE DON'T TOUCH EVERYTHING. AND WE'RE DOING THE SAME THING THIS YEAR, SO IT'S. BUT THEY ALWAYS REPORT GROSS. AND THAT'S WHAT THEY REPORTED LAST YEAR. SO. OKAY, FROM THIS, FROM THIS ONE EVENT. FROM THIS EVENT. YEAH. WELL IT'S ACTUALLY CARS ON FIFTH IS THE SATURDAY EVENT. BUT WE HAD A JET PORT RECEPTION ON FRIDAY NIGHT. THAT'S AT THE AIRPORT. WE DO AN ENTERTAINMENT THING THURSDAY NIGHT. SO IT'S A SERIES OF EVENTS THAT THAT ADDED UP TO 2.9. SO. OKAY. THANKS. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. COUNCIL ANY DISCUSSION? FURTHER DISCUSSION? YES, COUNCIL. I HAVE VICE MAYOR AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER. THANK YOU. CHAD. IN THIS SPACE THAT THEY'RE WANTING TO HAVE THESE VEHICLES AND 120 PEOPLE WHAT WILL THE SPACE EASILY ACCOMMODATE IN TERMS OF PEOPLE? IT'S IT'S KIND OF HARD TO SAY BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S DONE ON A NORMAL BASIS. IF YOU LOOK AT THE THE MAP, ONE THING THAT HAS TO HAPPEN, AND I THINK YOU ALL MAY HAVE GOTTEN A VIDEO, I'M NOT SURE IF PD SENT YOU, BUT THESE THESE ARCHERS THEY HAVE TO HAVE A BUFFER ZONE AS RECOMMENDED BY THE COMPANY. SO IF YOU SEE THAT BUFFER ZONE THAT EXISTS THERE, THAT'S 45 OR 45. YEAH. 45 FOOT ON BOTH SIDES. SO IT SHRINKS THE THAT BLOCK UP A LITTLE BIT MORE AND IT TAKES IT TO ABOUT 60FT. SO YOU'VE GOT ABOUT 60FT OF EVENT SPACE TO PUT THE CARS AND THE PEOPLE AND THE TABLES. [01:00:03] AND, I MEAN, IT WOULD BE TIGHT IF I WAS PLANNING AN EVENT. I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE PRETTY TIGHT. CHAD, AM I MISSING THE THE ILLUSTRATION OF THE PEOPLE AND THE ALL OF THAT INSIDE THAT SPACE, OR IS IT JUST NOT PART OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING? WELL, YOU WON'T HAVE A THERE WON'T BE REALLY AN ILLUSTRATION. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE APPLICATION, YOU CAN GO TO THE ONE OF THE ATTACHMENTS ON THE APPLICATION THAT SHOW YOU THE BUFFER ZONE AND THE EVENT SPACE. YEAH, YEAH. AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE A LITTLE BIT OF YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO PUT IT ON THE SCREEN. OKAY. LET'S SEE IF I CAN. YEAH. THAT'S THAT SHADED AREA. DAVID, IF YOU CAN PULL THE APPLICATION UP I'LL NAVIGATE. YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE CARS IN THAT. AND IT KIND OF GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF A SCALED LOOK. I WOULD HAVE THAT'S THE ONLY THING I CAN REALLY GO BY. I'LL TAKE IT FROM HERE, DAVE. OKAY, SO THERE'S THE BUFFER ZONES, AND THERE'S GOING TO BE ARCHER SYSTEMS ON THE EXTREME ENDS OF THOSE BUFFER ZONES. RIGHT. SO THEY'LL BE ON ON THIS END, RIGHT NORTH AND ON THE SOUTH. DOWN HERE IF THIS THING WILL MOVE OUT OF MY WAY. AND SO IN THE LONG TABLES WILL BE WHERE. LET'S SEE, LET'S SEE. LET ME GET TO THIS KIND OF SHOWS YOU THE VIEW OF THE ARCHERS. OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S SIGNIFYING THE ARCHERS. HERE YOU GO. HERE'S A VIEW OF WHAT? THE ACTUAL THE RENDERING. OKAY, IF I CAN. SO THERE'S THE LONG TABLE. THAT'S WHAT THAT IS IN THE MIDDLE. CORRECT. I TILT MY HEAD JUST RIGHT. YEAH. YEAH. SORRY. THAT'S OKAY. I'M SURE THERE'S A WAY TO FLIP IT, BUT THEN EVERYTHING OKAY. SO SORRY FOR THE DETAILS. THE PEOPLE WILL BE AROUND THAT TABLE 120 PEOPLE. OR WILL THEY BE ALSO ON THE SIDEWALKS? DO WE KNOW? JUST IN THE STREET, AROUND THE TABLE. AND THE VEHICLES? SO ONE THING WE WERE WHEN WE MET WITH PD OR TALKED TO THE PD ABOUT THIS, THE WE'RE TALKING WITH THE THE VEHICLE SAFETY MANAGEMENT PLAN DONE BY MERIDIAN. BECAUSE I ALWAYS GO TO THEM AND HAVE THEM APPROVED. YOU KNOW WHAT THEY THINK ON ALL THE EVENTS. SO THE ONE THING THAT THEY, THEY HAD PUT DOWN WAS A 25 FOOT BUFFER, WHICH THERE'S SOMETHING ON THEIR WEBSITE THAT THAT LIEUTENANT O'REILLY POINTED OUT. IT'S A 45 FOOT BUFFER. SO WE'RE STILL TRYING TO SORT OUT WITH THEM. SO THEY'RE I'VE ASKED THEM TO GO THROUGH IT ONE MORE TIME TO UNDERSTAND, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T IF YOU'RE IF YOU'RE COMING DOWN FIFTH STREET, YOU CAN GET UP AHEAD OF STEAM AND YOU PROBABLY NEED A LONGER BUFFER BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A LONG WAY. YOU COULD YOU COULD RUN A VEHICLE, RIGHT. IF YOU'RE TURNING TO GO UP FIFTH STREET, IF SOMEBODY WAS ON FIFTH AVENUE TO TURN, THEY SAY THE BUFFER IS ALMOST ZERO AT THAT END. BUT WE JUST AGREED WE WERE GOING TO GET ON THE PHONE WITH AT SOME POINT WITH WITH THE ARCHER PEOPLE AND TALK ABOUT WHERE THAT SHOULD BE. THEY ALSO SUGGESTED IN THAT MEETING THAT WE COULD MOVE. MOVE THE ARCHERS ACTUALLY SOUTH OF THE THE CROSSWALK. AND THAT ACTUALLY OPENS UP, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY FEET THAT WAS ABOUT ANOTHER 30FT OR SO. SO SOMEONE'S PROBABLY 90FT, WE THINK WITH THE BUFFERS BEING AT 45 AS OPPOSED TO 60FT, BUT THAT'S STILL BEING WORKED OUT. WE SAID WE WOULD JUST MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH MERIDIAN AND THE PD TO, TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THE PROPER BUFFERS, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS JUST YET. SO. OKAY, THERE WE GO. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. I THINK I'VE LEARNED ENOUGH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. TOM. PETRANOFF THEN. KRAMER. I THINK IT'S INNOVATIVE. I THINK IT'S EXPANSIVE. BUT IT'S GOING TO HURT LOCAL BUSINESSES AS THEY HAVE COMMUNICATED TO US. IT'S ALSO A PRIVATE EVENT. IT'S ALSO OCCURRING ON A SATURDAY NIGHT WITH OUR STORES AND RESTAURANTS THAT ARE ALREADY SAYING THAT THEY'RE STRUGGLING. AND IT'S DURING HIGH, HIGH SEASON AND IT'S RESULTING IN ROAD CLOSURES, WHICH WE WANT LESS OF. [01:05:02] AND WE WANT LESS EVENTS IN TOTAL. SO I AM YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SUPPORTIVE AT ALL OF THIS EVENT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER. YEAH. I MEAN, I'VE BEEN ON THE RECORD FOR A YEAR AND A HALF SAYING THAT CARS ON FIFTH HAS GOTTEN TOO BIG. LOVE IT. GREAT EVENT. IT'S AWESOME. AND WHEN I BEFORE I SAT IN THIS SEAT, I THOUGHT ABOUT IT DIFFERENTLY THAN AFTER I SAT ON THE SEAT AND THEN WENT DOWN AND WAS IN THAT CROWD. AND I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING EXPANDED ANYWAY. BUT I, I THINK, LIKE MY COLLEAGUE SAID, WE TRY TO DO LESS. WE DON'T WANT TO CLOSE ROADS. I DON'T SEE ANY BENEFIT TO THE CITY. AND JUST A LITTLE CLARIFICATION. WE GOT SAINT MADISON SENT ME SOMETHING, MAYBE OTHERS. AND THE REALITY FOR WHAT THEY SAID WAS THAT THE DISCREPANCY, THERE WAS A BIG DISCREPANCY BETWEEN WHAT WAS BEING PUBLICIZED AS FAR AS HOW MUCH MONEY THEY WERE RECEIVING FROM THE CARS ON FIFTH EVENT, AND WHAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY RECEIVING. THAT'S WHAT THE LETTER SAID. I'M NOT GOING TO GET INVOLVED IN THAT ARGUMENT, BUT YOU CAN DO A FOIA AND FIND THAT FOR ALL THOSE REASONS AND IN GENERAL, JUST LIKE WE TOLD THE LAST CHURCH SERVICE THAT WANTED TO DO WHATEVER, AND I HELPED CONNECT THEM TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM SO THEY COULD DO IT SOMEPLACE ELSE. WE WANT TO DO LESS IN THE CITY OF NAPLES, BECAUSE OUR CITIZENS WANT US TO DO LESS IN THE CITY OF NAPLES. THE IDEA THAT WE ARE AN EVENT VENUE FOR PEOPLE TO MAKE PROFIT. IS FINE, BUT IT'S NOT A MOTIVATOR FOR ME TO SAY, LET'S CLOSE DOWN A CITY STREET AND HELP THOSE FOLKS MAKE SOME MORE MONEY. AND I LOVE I LOVE HABITAT TO. I'VE WORKED WITH THEM BEFORE, AND IT'S GREAT THAT THEY'RE HELPING SOMEONE SOMEWHERE. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WE AREN'T AN EVENT VENUE. SHALL I MAKE A MOTION? YES, SIR. SO I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO DENY THIS. I'LL SECOND IT. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CRAMER AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER PETRANOFF. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL. VICE MAYOR HUTCHINSON. NO. OH. I'M SORRY. THE DOUBLE NEGATIVE. TO DENY THE YES. TO DENY THE VOTE IS TO SUPPORT THE MOTION. CORRECT. SO MY VOTE IS. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER PENNYMAN. YES. TO DENY. COUNCIL MEMBER. CHRISMAN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. CRAMER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER PETRANOFF. YES. MAYOR. HEITMAN. YES. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. BUT THANK YOU AGAIN, MR. REARDON. AND FOR YOUR ALWAYS TRYING TO BE CREATIVE, SIR. THANK YOU. THE MONEY THAT'S RECORDED. I WANT TO COME FORWARD. COUNCILMAN. KRAMER. I'M NOT SURE WHO YOU SPOKE TO. THE NUMBERS THAT HAVE REPORTED WERE REPORTED BY SAINT MATTHEW'S HOUSE. THEY DO THE PRESS RELEASE, THEY ADD THEM UP. WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. WE WE TURN ALL OF IT INTO THEM. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE HEARING, BUT THEY CREATE THE PRESS RELEASE. THEY DO THE NUMBERS. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S THEIR NUMBER. SO NOT NOT OUR NUMBER. SO WE DON'T WE'VE NEVER TAKEN A PENNY FROM THIS THING, SO THANK YOU. JUST SO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. YES. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE'RE MOVING TO THE NEXT ITEM. ALL RIGHT. THE NEXT EVENT IS THE 77TH ANNUAL SWAMP BUGGY PARADE. THE APPLICANT IS SWAMP BUGGY INCORPORATED. THEY ARE NOT A NONPROFIT. THE EVENT DATE IS JANUARY 17TH, 2026. THE EVENT LOCATION IS US 41. THE SET UP TIME IS FROM 8 A.M. TO 10 A.M. THE EVENT TIME IS 10 A.M. TO 12 P.M., AND THE TAKEDOWN TIME IS 12 P.M. TO 1230. ESTIMATED ATTENDANCE IS ABOUT 100. SORRY, 750. THE EVENT TYPE IS A COMMUNITY EVENT. THERE THERE WILL BE STREET CLOSURES AND THERE IS A COMPLETE LIST OF THEM IN THE APPLICATION. THERE IS NO AMPLIFIED SOUND, NO ALCOHOL, NO TENTS, NO SANITARY FACILITIES. AND THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED 120 DAYS PRIOR. GOOD MORNING. CHAD MERRITT, COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR. THE STAFF FEEDBACK ON THIS ONE IS THERE ARE CONCERNS. THERE IS A IT DOES COINCIDE WITH THE EMPTY BOWLS EVENT. AND THAT EVENT IS A PRETTY LARGE EVENT. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE ADDITIONAL ROAD CLOSURE AS WELL. AND THEN THE EVENT TAKING PLACE ON HIGHWAY 41 IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY. AND PD AND THEY CAN SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THIS DID RECEIVE CALLS WITH A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT FELT THAT IT WAS VERY HIGHLY IMPACTFUL FOR THE TRAFFIC. SO THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION TO PERHAPS LOOK TO MOVE THIS TO A DIFFERENT ROUTE IN THE FUTURE OR NOW AS WELL. SO I THINK MIKE O'REILLY, IF YOU'D LIKE TO. LIEUTENANT O'REILLY, NAPLES POLICE DEPARTMENT I THINK WE'RE ALL AWARE OF THE IMPACTS THE PARADE HAS ON THE CITY ITSELF. [01:10:05] THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WILL SHUT DOWN. AND BY THE WAY, IT IS THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT PROVIDING THE SAFETY AND SECURITY FOR THIS EVENT. THEY SHUT DOWN US 41 FROM GOLDEN GATE PARKWAY ALL THE WAY TO FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH AND THEN AROUND TO 10TH STREET. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE WITH EMPTY BOWLS, MOST OF THE PEOPLE COMING FROM THE EAST TRAIL GOING TO EMPTY BOWLS ARE GOING TO HIT THAT CLOSURE AND EITHER NOT KNOW WHERE TO GO OR BE BACKED UP IN TRAFFIC TRYING TO GET THERE. AND PLEASE KEEP IN MIND, EMPTY BOWLS WILL ALSO HAVE STREET CLOSURES AROUND THE PARK AS WELL, SO IT WILL BE INTERESTING AT LEAST. BUT THE MAJOR IMPACT IS GOING TO BE BOTH LANES OF 41 NORTH AND SOUTH WILL BE SHUT DOWN FOR PEDESTRIAN SAFETY. SO ALL TRAFFIC WITH DDOT APPROVAL IS BEING REROUTED ONTO GOODLETTE ROAD INSTEAD OF US 41. AMBULANCES WILL STILL BE ABLE TO GET ACROSS. EMERGENCY VEHICLES WILL STILL BE ABLE TO GET ACROSS. NOBODY ELSE WILL FOR THAT STRETCH OF US 41. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO BE AS STRONG AS CRAMER SAID. I'M GOING TO THROW CANDY WHETHER YOU WANT ME TO OR NOT. DON'T MESS WITH SWAMP BUGGY. IT IS HISTORY. IT IS CULTURE. IT HAS BEEN HERE. ONE OF THE FIRST PARADES. EVERYONE WANTS TO TAKE IT DOWN, MOVE IT AROUND. I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT SUPPORT THIS. IF THE CONCERN IS EMPTY BOWLS, WE SHOULD FIND A DIFFERENT DATE FOR EMPTY BOWLS. GREAT COMMUNITY EVENT. BUT IF THAT'S THE CONFLICT FOR ME, FIND ANOTHER DAY SO THAT WE CAN KEEP THE ROADS OPEN AND BETTER. LAST YEAR. I HAPPEN TO BE AFFECTED AND RECEIVED NUMEROUS CALLS ABOUT THIS BECAUSE GULF SHORE BOULEVARD WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION WITH THE NEW FABULOUS HOTEL. THERE WAS ALSO A FLOTILLA EVENT. THERE WAS ALSO ANOTHER EVENT. TOO MANY EVENTS WERE SCHEDULED. WHICH IS WHY WE'RE LOOKING AT HOW MANY EVENTS WE HAVE IN ONE DAY AND WHAT THE TOTAL IMPACT IS. SO AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THIS IS TRADITION. IF YOU DON'T KNOW LILA ZUK'S BOOK ON THE SWAMP BUGGY PARADE OR THE SWAMP BUGGY EVENTS I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU DO SO. SO DON'T TAKE MY SWAMP BUGGY PARADE AWAY. AND IT'S PART OF TRADITION HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER. QUESTION FOR CHAD. 77TH ANNUAL. WHAT DO WE HAVE THAT HAS BEEN LONGER RUNNING THAN THAT IN THE CITY OF NAPLES? I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S REALLY ANYTHING. MAYBE THE FIREWORKS. I'M NOT SURE HOW LONG THOSE HAVE BEEN GOING. NOT THE FIREWORKS. SO YOU'RE RIGHT. CONCERTS? YEAH. NO, THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THIS. IS. THIS IS PRETTY HIGH UP THERE. YEAH, THIS IS IT. THIS IS THE START OF IT. AND BY DEFINITION, THAT'S UNIQUE. I'M WITH YOU, MADAM MAYOR. IT ALSO. CONNECTS MY PEOPLE. TO NAPLES. BECAUSE THAT'S MY DNA. SO I'M VERY BIASED. I'LL SAY IT OUT LOUD. I'M VERY BIASED. I DON'T THINK CLEARLY ON THIS ONE. BUT I'M FOR KEEPING IT. THANK YOU. PARDON? YEAH. ALONG THE SAME VEIN YOU KNOW, BORN AND RAISED HERE. I'LL AGE MYSELF. WAS BORN IN 69. SO PARADE'S BEEN AROUND A LITTLE LONGER THAN I HAVE, BUT NOT NOT A LOT. AND I REMEMBER DOING THIS FROM AS A TODDLER GROWING UP IN OLD NAPLES. AND, YOU KNOW, WE, AS A COUNCIL, GET HARASSED AND HARANGUED AND AND CHASTISED FOR NOT EMBRACING OLD NAPLES CHARM AND TRADITION. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN, BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BECOME A LITTLE BIT DIFFICULT, WE ALL WANT TO WE GET SUGGESTIONS ABOUT SHUTTING IT DOWN AND, OH, NO, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TRAFFIC. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? PLAN ACCORDINGLY. WE NEED TO KEEP THE PARADE. ANY ANY OTHER COMMENTS? KRISEMAN. I JUST CONCUR WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID. THE HISTORY OF THIS MAKES IT UNIQUE, SPECIAL AND SOMETHING WE OUGHT TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT. AND I, GUESS THE ONLY WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED. WITH OPEN BOWLS. HEALTHY BOWLS. EMPTY BOWLS. EMPTY. EMPTY BOWLS. SORRY. WE'VE APPROVED THAT RIGHT FOR THAT DATE. SO WE'VE APPROVED THAT. IF WE APPROVE THIS TODAY, IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE SAME DAY. AND WE HAVE TO MANAGE THE TRAFFIC CONFLICTS AS BEST WE CAN. BUT MAYBE A LESSON LEARNED FOR NEXT YEAR IN TERMS OF MAKING SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE THESE KINDS OF CONFLICTS IN TERMS OF THE DATES THAT ARE CHOSEN. THANK YOU. I MEAN, IF YOU THERE'S A WAY TO ANTICIPATE THIS, ISN'T IT, [01:15:08] MR. MERRITT? YEAH. SO THE APPLICATIONS CAME IN. SO LAST YEAR, THESE TWO DIDN'T CONFLICT, WHICH IS WHY IT'S IN FRONT OF YOU. ANYTIME THAT AN EVENT, TWO MAJOR EVENTS CONFLICT ONE ANOTHER, WE BRING IT IN FRONT OF YOU ALL TO HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS. BUT YEAH, THIS YEAR, BECAUSE OF THE DATES AND THE WAY THAT THEY FELL, THEY ARE ON THE SAME DAY. SO NEXT YEAR IT MAY BE DIFFERENT, BUT IT'S HARD TO ANTICIPATE WHEN THEY TURN IN THEIR APPLICATION. BUT THEY'RE GOING TO. IT'S NOT UNREASONABLE FOR STAFF TO BE PROACTIVE IN TERMS WHEN, IF YOU'VE ALREADY GOT SOMETHING SCHEDULED ON ONE DATE TO SAY TO THE THE SECOND APPLICANT WHO COMES IN, LOOK, THIS ISN'T GOING TO WORK ON THIS DATE. YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK TO ANOTHER DATE SO THAT WE, YOU KNOW, BY THE TIME IT COMES TO US, THEN AND IF AND THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY REASON THIS ISN'T ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. REALLY? PROBABLY. RIGHT. CORRECT. AND THEY WERE THE SECOND APPLICANT. SO WE WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO REQUEST THAT THEY MOVE TO DATE. AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE HISTORICAL NATURE OF THIS EVENT AS WELL. SO TO YEAH. SO THERE'S, THERE'S REALLY NO, NO REASON I SEE TO, TO NOT SUPPORT IT AS WE HAVE FOR THE LAST 77 YEARS. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN MOTION OR VICE MAYOR AND THEN MOTION. EVEN IF YOU WEREN'T BORN AND RAISED HERE, I THINK THIS IS A PRETTY UNIQUE EVENT. I'VE NEVER HEARD OF A SWAMP BUGGY BEFORE. I CAME DOWN IN ZERO EIGHT AND IT'S VERY INTERESTING TO ME. I'M JUST WONDERING, BECAUSE OF THIS CONFLICT, IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF MOVING ONE OF THESE EVENTS SO THEY'RE NOT CONFLICTING, OR IS THAT AN ABSOLUTE IMPOSSIBILITY BECAUSE IT'S ALL THE WAY IN MID JANUARY? OUR BEST I MEAN, WE CAN WORK WITH THE ORGANIZERS AND SEE IF ANYBODY WOULD BE WILLING TO TO SHIFT THE DATE. YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO LET MAKE THEM AWARE WHEN THAT HAPPENS. AND THOSE CONVERSATIONS HAVE HAPPENED WITH THE ORGANIZER OF THIS EVENT. BUT THERE'S ALWAYS WE CAN ALWAYS HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND COME BACK. AND IF THERE'S AN EVENT DATE CHANGE, THEN WHAT WE WOULD PROBABLY DO IS PUT IT ON THE CONSENT FOR ONE OF THE ITEMS TO SAY, HEY, THIS THIS DATE HAS CHANGED FOR THIS EVENT, BUT IT'S NO PROBLEM TRYING THAT WE CAN DO THAT OR EVEN YOU KNOW, A CHANGE IN THE VENUE. I KNOW THAT THERE WERE. I RECALL, I THINK IT WAS EMPTY BOWLS THAT CAME IN AND MADE SOME COMMENTS ABOUT THE SECURITY FEES OF BEING HELD IN CAMBIER PARK, AND THAT THAT MIGHT BE A HURDLE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT HAS BEEN SETTLED OR THE VENUE IS STILL UP IN THE AIR. I SPOKE TO YOU. EMPTY BOWLS. I BELIEVE IT WAS LAST WEEK. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MOVE THEIR EVENT TO BAKER PARK. THEY'VE ALREADY HAVE ALL OF THEIR ADVERTISING OUT. THEY'VE ALREADY SOLD TICKETS FOR IT. SO IT'S IT'S NOT IDEAL FOR THEM TO TO SWITCH AT THIS POINT. OKAY. SO THEY'RE FIXED AND THE SWAMP BUGGY IS FIXED OR MAYBE FIXED. IT'S IT'S TYPICALLY ON THE SAME DAY EVERY YEAR. SO AGAIN WE'LL TALK WITH THEM. THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO AT THIS POINT. OBVIOUSLY THEIR APPLICATION HAD TO COME BEFORE YOU ALL KNOWING THAT IT HAD THE CONFLICT. SO IF WE GET THE APPROVAL ON THAT, THEN WE'LL HAVE THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND AND SEE WHAT WHAT OPTIONS THEY HAVE. OTHERWISE WE MAY BE. MOVING TOWARDS SOMETHING THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT. SO WE DO HAVE I DON'T SORRY. O'REILLY I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE CALLED, BUT THE BIG SIGNS THAT REDIRECT TRAFFIC. THAT WE PUT OUT, IS THAT A POSSIBILITY THE DAY BEFORE? BECAUSE WE DO LET THEM KNOW THAT 41 WILL BE CLOSED, THAT YOU CAN PUT IT AND SAY ALL THROUGH TRAFFIC, GO THROUGH GOODLETTE BECAUSE IT DOES END RIGHT AT THIRD. YES, MA'AM. THAT'S TRUE. THE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS SEVERAL SIGNS THAT THEY UTILIZE WE WILL PROBABLY BE UTILIZING OURS FOR TO REDIRECT PEOPLE FOR EMPTY BOWLS. THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OBVIOUSLY WILL FOCUS ON THE PARADE ROUTE. WE'RE GOING TO FOCUS ON EVERYBODY ELSE. WE DO HAVE AVAILABILITY FOR OUR MESSAGE BOARD, SO WE WILL BE DEPLOYING THOSE AS WELL. SO YOU COULD SAY FOR EMPTY BOWLS, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH VERBIAGE YOU CAN PUT. YOU KNOW, THE ROUTE AND AS MUCH ADVERTISING AS THE EMPTY BOWLS ARE PUTTING OUT AND ON OUR WEBSITE AND OUR TRAFFIC BULLETIN THAT WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT THE COMMUNITY KNOWS THAT GOODLETT IS THE WAY DOWN FIFTH OR TO GET OR TO EMPTY BOWLS. I THINK THAT WOULD SOLVE THAT. SO THANK YOU. PETRANOFF. OKAY. VICE MAYOR AND THEN WE'LL WRAP THIS UP. YEAH. JUST QUICKLY I THINK A LOT HAS BEEN SAID AND I SUPPORT WHAT'S BEING SAID, BUT TO BE CRYSTAL CLEAR THERE THERE'S BEEN TALK UP NORTH OF A SWAMP BEING DRAINED IN WASHINGTON, DC. [01:20:03] AND WE ALSO HAVE A SWAMP IN SOUTH FLORIDA. AND WE LOVE THE WAY OUR CUSTOM SWAMP BUGGIES CONTINUE TO SHOW HOW TO HAVE THE MOST FUN IN A SWAMP. AND I SUPPORT THE SWAMP BUGGY PARADE. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. ESPECIALLY SINCE DURING IAN, WE SAW YOU COMING DOWN IN AN AIRBOAT FROM THE HIGH WATER. SO, OF COURSE, YOU SUPPORT THAT'S ALLEGED, MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN. THAT'S A TOUGH ACT TO FOLLOW. I HAVE TO ADMIT, I KIND OF WONDER IF MAYBE WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE. AND I KNOW WE HAVE, BUT I THINK IT MAYBE NEEDS TO BE A DISCUSSION ITEM ON A ON AGENDA REGARDING TWO EVENTS IN IN THE SAME DAY ANYWHERE IN THE CITY. LET'S GET IT ON THE AGENDA. LET'S MAKE A DECISION AND MOVE ON FROM THERE, IF THAT'S OKAY WITH YOU. MR. YOUNG HAS THAT IN THE LOOK AHEAD. THAT'S GREAT. WE'RE ON IT. THAT'S GREAT. THANK YOU. OKAY A MOTION. I MOVE TO APPROVE THE 77TH ANNUAL SWAMP BUGGY PARADE. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY VICE MAYOR AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. VICE MAYOR. HUTCHINSON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. CHRISTMAN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. PETRANOFF. YES. MAYOR. HARTMAN. YES. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. IT PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THAT CONCLUDES THE SWAMP BUGGY DISCUSSION, MR. MERRITT. YES. GOOD MORNING, CHAD MERRITT, COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR. [13.B) A Discussion and Update on the Cambier Park Playground Replacement.] I GOT THE PRESENTATION IS PULLED UP. THIS IS A DISCUSSION AND UPDATE ON CAMBIER PARK PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENT PROJECT. AND WE WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND FLIP THEIR JUST KIND OF BACKGROUND AND HISTORY OF THE CAMBIER PARK. AGAIN, THIS BACK IN 1940, WHEN THE PARK WAS ESTABLISHED. THERE WAS A PLAYGROUND THAT WAS INSTALLED. IT WAS CANDY CANE CITY. THIS WAS A LANDMARK ALL THE WAY FROM THE TO THE 60S AND INTO THE 60S AND PAST. THE CAMBIER PARK PLAYGROUND SERVED THIS CURRENT ONE REPLACED THAT PLAYGROUND. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY WENT THROUGH YOU KNOW, I'VE TALKED TO SOME OF THE RESIDENTS. I THINK THEY WENT THROUGH KIND OF A SIMILAR GROWING PAINS, SO TO SPEAK, WHEN THERE WAS CHANGES TO THAT ONE. OVER THE YEARS, REPAIRS TO THE CURRENT PLAYGROUND HAVE BEEN DONE WITH IN-HOUSE, WITH STAFF. IT'S REALLY BEEN MODIFIED. IT'S BEEN A LOT OF PIECES HAVE BEEN REMOVED. IT DOESN'T REALLY LOOK, IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE IN THE TOP, THERE EVEN LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY NOW THAN WHAT IT DID IN THAT JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A CONTINUOUS STAFF HAS DONE AN OUTSTANDING JOB. I WILL SAY, ON BEING ABLE TO CONTINUE TO TO LENGTHEN THE LIFE OF THIS PLAYGROUND. WHICH KIND OF BRINGS US TO WHERE WE'RE AT NOW. WE DID HAVE TO SHUT THIS PLAYGROUND DOWN. AND THIS PLAYGROUND WAS WE HAD SOME ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON. AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES, THESE ARE JUST NEW ISSUES THAT WE HAD. AND YOU KNOW, IT'S A MAJOR CONCERN WHEN WHEN WE AS PROFESSIONALS CAN LOOK AT THIS AND SAY, THERE'S REALLY NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO BRINGING IN A COMPANY OR ANYTHING TO TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THIS PLAYGROUND CONTINUE BECAUSE IT IS ROTTING FROM THE INSIDE OUT. AND ALL OF IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURE IN THE TOP LEFT, YOU SEE WHERE THE NAILS THEY'RE PULLING OUT OF THE BOARDS. THAT'S BECAUSE THE NAILS AREN'T HOLDING THE BOARDS, BECAUSE THE BOARDS DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING FOR IT TO HOLD. SO THAT WAS A CONCERN. YOU SEE THAT THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL CRACKING THAT'S TAKING PLACE ON THE JOISTS. YOU'VE GOT SOME. I MEAN, I COULD GO THROUGH A WHOLE LIST. THIS IS JUST EXAMPLES FOR THAT REASON. THAT'S WHAT WE DETERMINED THAT, HEY, THIS ISN'T WE CANNOT COLLECTIVELY SAY THAT THIS IS SAFE AND THAT SOMEONE'S NOT GOING TO GET HURT AND HOW WE CAN PREVENT IT. AND WE COULD NOT FIGURE OUT A WAY TO PREVENT THIS. AND IN LIEU OF AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE TO SAY THIS, BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF STUFF IN THE MEDIA AND AND SO ON. WE HAVE THIS COUNCIL HAS APPROVED A PROJECT IN THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR TO REPLACE THIS PLAYGROUND. SO THERE HAS NEVER BEEN AN INTENT TO CLOSE THIS PLAYGROUND AND NEVER OPEN IT BACK UP. THERE'S NOT WE HAVE NOT CLOSED THE PARK. THAT'S BEEN SOME OF THE THINGS, I THINK THAT HAVE BEEN SAID. AND NO, THERE'S NOT PICKLEBALL COURTS GOING HERE AND THERE'S NOT HOUSING GOING HERE. THIS IS THE PLAN IS TO PUT A PLAYGROUND BACK IN THIS LOCATION. SO WE'VE YOU KNOW, THE ONE THING THAT WE KIND OF HAVE IN THE AIR RIGHT NOW IS THE EXERCISE EQUIPMENT. [01:25:04] I HAVE HAD A COUPLE THAT HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME ABOUT THE EXERCISE EQUIPMENT AND WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS GOING TO REMAIN, THAT IS IN. IT'S IN BAD SHAPE. I THINK IT HAS VALUE. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DO GO AND USE IT, AND I'VE HAD THOSE PEOPLE CONTACT ME. SO WE WOULD NEED TO DEVELOP AND DISCUSS PERHAPS AFTER WE GET THE PLAYGROUND BUILT. MAYBE THAT'S A CONVERSATION WE NEED TO HAVE, OR IF YOU WANT TO HAVE IT AT THIS POINT. BUT WE WOULD ESTIMATE TO TO REPLACE ALL OF THAT EXERCISE EQUIPMENT AROUND THAT. WE'RE LOOKING PROBABLY ABOUT AN ADDITIONAL $250,000 FOR THAT COMPONENT. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE FLASH VOTE THING HERE IN A SECOND. BUT WE DO KNOW AND AGAIN, I WANT TO STATE THIS SHADE IS IMPORTANT. THERE'S NO TALK ABOUT REMOVING THE TREES. WE ARE A TREE CITY USA. WE'RE A TREE CITY WORLD. WE DO NOT REMOVE TREES AND WE DO NOT HAVE TO REMOVE TREES. AND AND YOU CAN ASK THE CONTRACTOR ON THE PLAYGROUND AT FLEISHMAN PARK. WHEN WE FOUGHT HIM, WHEN HE WANTED TO REMOVE THAT TREE. SO THE TREES WILL REMAIN. FENCE IS IMPORTANT. AND THAT'S OUR INTENT IS TO PUT A FENCE. NOW, THE RENDERINGS THAT YOU SEE ARE NOT. THEY DON'T ALWAYS INCLUDE FENCES THAT ARE NOT GOING TO INCLUDE TREES. WHEN WE GET TO A POINT OF SEEING A DESIGN, THEY'RE FOCUSING ON THE ACTUAL EQUIPMENT. SO THEY PUT SOME STUFF IN THE BACKGROUND AND, AND ALL THAT. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WHEN WE GET TO THAT POINT THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND THAT AND THEN SAFETY IS A HIGH PRIORITY. AND I THINK THAT WHEN WE START LOOKING AT OUR NEXT STEP, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A COMPANY THAT HAS INSTALLERS AND CONTRACTORS THAT CAN THAT ARE CERTIFIED TO INSTALL AND REPAIR EQUIPMENT. AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, ESPECIALLY WITH THE SUPPORT THAT WE'LL NEED MOVING FORWARD. WE DO NOT HAVE CERTIFIED PLAYGROUND INSTALLERS OR WORKERS ON STAFF. WE DON'T HAVE THEM. WE HAVE INSPECTORS. WE HAVE INSPECTORS THAT CAN LOOK AT A PLAYGROUND AND SAY, THIS IS THIS NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED, BUT WE WON'T. WE TYPICALLY RELY ON A CONTRACTOR TO TO BE ABLE TO DO THOSE AND DO THEM PROPERLY. PROCESS. TO DATE, WE JUST TALK ABOUT THE STATE OF TO GO BACK A MINUTE AND ELABORATE ON THE STATE OF THE EXISTING. IN FACT, WE HAVE IT SHUT DOWN. THE FACT THAT COMMITTING RESOURCES TO REPAIR IT QUOTE UNQUOTE, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN TAKING PIECES DOWN NOW FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS OR AND AND NOW WE HAVE IT SHUT DOWN, BUT YET WE'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE REMOVING TAPE AND THIS AND THAT OR THE OTHER. AND SO BEFORE WE GO TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO TO REPLACE IT, I'D REALLY LIKE TO FOCUS ON THAT AREA. AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS IF WE DEEM THAT IT IS UNSAFE AND REALLY DOESN'T SERVE A PURPOSE IN THE SENSES, IT BECOMES ALMOST A HINDRANCE TO THE PARK AND A VULNERABILITY FOR THE CITY AS A WHOLE. I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE THE DECISION IS IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT CAN REMAIN WHILE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS TO GET REPLACED, WHAT THAT WOULD BE. AND IF, IF, IF IT TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION IS IT WOULD BE MY OPINION AND I'M, YOU KNOW, JUST ONE, WHICH IS THAT I BELIEVE WE SHOULDN'T LEAVE THE PLAYGROUND STANDING THAT'S CLOSED BECAUSE IT'S UNSAFE. WE SHOULD IF WE'RE IF IT TAKES A THREE MONTH PROCESS, MY QUESTION WOULD SIMPLY BE WHAT IS SELF-SUSTAINING THAT CAN REMAIN THERE AND WHAT WOULD BE TAKEN AWAY SO WE CAN HAVE AN HONEST DISCUSSION IF THAT'S IF WE AGREE THAT THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE STEP. STEP ONE WHILE A PARALLEL PATH OF GETTING THE RFP DONE BECAUSE CHAD'S RIGHT, YOU SET THE MONEY ASIDE. WE HAVE VISIONS. WE'VE DONE OTHER THINGS AND HE'LL GO THROUGH THAT. BUT I THINK WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THIS ONE AREA AND MAKE SURE WE ARE ALL IN CONCURRENCE ON THAT, BECAUSE IT WAS THE LAST DIRECTIVE AND I WASN'T IN THIS CHAIR AT THE TIME, I BELIEVE WAS ANYTHING THAT'S UNSAFE. SHUT IT DOWN. AND WE DON'T WANT ANYTHING THERE THAT'S NOT SAFE. AND I THINK THAT AS IT COLLECTIVELY, WE AGREE THAT IT'S TIME TO SHUT IT DOWN. BUT I WOULD TAKE IT ONE STEP FURTHER AND SAY, THEN IDENTIFY WHAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED AND GET IT OUT OF THE PARK AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. AND I GUESS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT COUNCIL AGREED WITH WITH ME ON THAT PERSPECTIVE BEFORE WE MOVED INTO NEXT STEPS IN REPLACING. YEAH. AND I'LL ADD HE AND I APOLOGIZE. YOU BEAT ME TO IT. I THINK I HAD IT IN LATER, BUT YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN HERE THAT I THINK THAT WE CAN WE CAN LEAVE. YOU'VE GOT SWINGS AND YOU'VE GOT A CLIMBER, AND THERE'S A TOWER THAT I'VE WALKED THROUGH WITH STAFF AND WE'VE SAID, HEY, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN STILL REMAIN HERE. SO BUT IF WE COULD GET THE THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S IN REALLY DISREPAIR REMOVED OUT OF THERE AND THEN REMOVE IT. [01:30:02] AT LEAST IT'S AN AREA FOR THE KIDS TO BE ABLE TO PLAY IN. AND I KNOW YOU DON'T LIKE PLAY CUSHIONING. I'M SORRY. I WAS ACTUALLY WARNED NOT TO USE THAT WORD SORRY PLAY CUSHIONING, WHICH IS WHAT YOU PUT IN PLAYGROUNDS FOR IF A KID FALLS. BUT WE WOULD NEED TO PUT THAT BACK IN PLACE SO THAT KIDS COULD USE THIS AND WE WOULD STILL KEEP THE FENCE. BECAUSE THE FENCE IS IMPORTANT TO THE PARENTS, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT BEING IN A DOWNTOWN AREA AND KEEPING THE KIDS QUARANTINED IN THAT PLAY SPACE. SO I THINK WE COULD THIS IS A BETTER OPTION THAN HAVING A PLAYGROUND THAT'S ROPED OFF AND AND TAPED OFF THE WAY THAT IT IS RIGHT NOW AND STILL PROVIDE SOMETHING FOR THE KIDS. SO. MR.. YES. MR. MERRITT I WE'VE HAD THESE DISCUSSIONS AT THE DAIS AND BEHIND. I JUST HAVE TO SAY, FOR WHATEVER REASON, THE PLAYGROUND GOT TO THIS POINT. WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PROACTIVE AND ANY OF OUR FACILITIES. WE'RE GOING TO BE MUCH MORE PROACTIVE IN MAKING SURE THAT OUR STANDARDS AND EXPECTATIONS FROM THE COMMUNITY ARE MET. SO AND I KNOW THAT THIS STAFF IS COMMITTED TO THAT. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO TAKE PUBLIC COMMENT FIRST. IF THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM, DO YOU WANT ME TO DO WE STILL GOT THE PRESENTATION TO JUST SO THAT I UNDERSTAND CONSENSUS AROUND YOU AGREE WITH ME WHAT? MY STATEMENTS IN TAKING DOWN WHAT WE DEEM TO BE UNSAFE IN ITS ENTIRETY, LEAVING IF THERE'S SOMETHING MINIMAL, MINIMAL AND GET IT BACK TO A FENCED IN AREA FOR FOR THOSE PURPOSES. BUT TO GET TO THAT LEVEL, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT'S ALL. YEAH I HAVE. YES YES YES YES YES. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. AND SO WE'LL CONTINUE THROUGH AGAIN PROCESS. TO DATE WE HAVE DONE IN 2022. WE DID HAVE A CIP PRESENTATION CITY COUNCIL WHERE WE STAFF ADVISED THAT A REPLACEMENT WAS IN NEED. AND OBVIOUSLY WE HAD SOME HURRICANES AND VISITORS THAT KIND OF REDIRECTED OUR ATTENTION TOWARDS THAT. WE DID MAKE SOME REPAIRS THEN TO TRY TO CONTINUE TO EXTEND THE LIFE. STAFF DID USE A CONCEPTUAL THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO GENERATE. HEY, WHAT IS WHAT DO YOU LIKE? WHAT DO YOU NOT LIKE? CONVERSATIONS SO THAT WE COULD GET SOME FEEDBACK? WE GOT SOME REALLY GOOD FEEDBACK FROM THAT. WE DID A SURVEY. THE SURVEY THAT WE PUT OUT BACK IN 24 WAS WE GOT ABOUT THREE. WAS IT 300 HUNDRED RESPONSES IN THAT IN A VERY SIMILAR TO THE RESPONSES THAT WERE DONE IN THE FLASH VOTE, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT HERE IN A SECOND WITH MONIQUE. AND THEN WE LAUNCHED A WEB PAGE THAT WE WERE GOING TO UTILIZE TO DO UPDATES AS THE PROJECT CONTINUED TO MOVE FORWARD. AND THEN WE HAD THE PUBLIC INPUT SURVEY AGAIN, THAT WAS THE DATES ON IT. AND THEN FLASH VOTE WAS LAUNCHED IN AUGUST OF 25. THERE WAS ABOUT 300 RESPONSES IN THAT. AND THEN AGAIN, I'VE STATED ABOUT THE AND THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, WE HAVE $2 MILLION BUDGETED FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF THIS PLAYGROUND. NOW I WANT TO KIND OF TURN IT OVER TO MONIQUE TO ALLOW HER TO DISCUSS THE FLASH VOTE AND THE PROCESS AND WHAT THAT ENTAILED. GOOD MORNING. HI. GOOD MORNING, MONIQUE BARNHART, COMMUNICATIONS MANAGER. AND PIO, NO, JUST A BRIEF TALK ABOUT FLASH VOTE. WHY I CHOSE FLASH VOTE BASED ON COUNCIL'S RESPONSES TO THE FIRST SURVEY. I DID A LOT OF DUE DILIGENCE REGARDING WHAT IS A SCIENTIFIC, UNBIASED SURVEY THAT WILL PROVIDE STATISTICALLY VALID RESULTS, AND SO THAT WE CAN TRULY HEAR THE VOICE OF OUR RESIDENTS, OUR CITY RESIDENTS AND ALSO HAVE STRINGENT FILTERING AND REPORTING CAPABILITIES. SO I FOUND FLASH VOTE. WE ACQUIRED IT, I BELIEVE, IN MARCH. AND THEN I STARTED BUILDING THE PANEL. SO THE PANEL IS BASED ON IT WAS A PRETTY EXTENSIVE OUTREACH PROCESS. WE SPOKE TO PRESIDENTS COUNCIL. WE REACHED OUT TO ALL THE RESIDENTS OVER MONTHS OF NEWSLETTERS AND SPECIFIC JUST OUTREACH, TARGETED OUTREACH. TO BUILD THE PANEL, WE BUILT A PRETTY SIGNIFICANT PANEL OF 675 RESIDENTS AND LAUNCHED THE FIRST SURVEY IN AUGUST, WHICH WAS THE CAMBIER PARK SURVEY. WE RECEIVED 359 RESULTS. SOME OF THE RESULTS WAS COMPARABLE TO THE FIRST SURVEY, WHICH WAS DONE IN 2020, FOR WHICH CHAD HAD MENTIONED. [01:35:03] SO THE QUESTIONS WERE DEVELOPED THROUGH THE PROFESSIONALS AT FLASH VOTE. THEY THAT'S WHAT THEY DO. THEY ARE SURVEY PROFESSIONALS. SO THEY HELPED US DEVELOP THE QUESTIONS. WE ALSO CHOSE TO DO IMAGES OR VISUALS OF THEMES TO HELP THROUGH THE PROCESS, WHICH WAS ONE OF IT LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY'S GOING THROUGH WE HAD WE HAD SEVEN PICTURES AND THEN ANOTHER IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO PROVIDE OTHER FEEDBACK. BUT IT'S IT WAS, I THINK 5 OR 6 QUESTIONS INCLUDING THE THEME. AND THEN WITH ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? AND I'LL I'LL KIND OF ADD. AND I PULLED IT UP ON HERE JUST SO THAT YOU COULD VISUALLY SEE. AND AS SHE'S TALKING ABOUT QUESTIONS AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS VERY BENEFICIAL FOR US AND SEEING THE RESPONSES TO THIS IS ACTUALLY PUTTING PICTURES FOR PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO SEE AND SAY, HEY, YEAH, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT HERE. AND SO WE DID THAT AND WE TRIED TO PULL SOME DIFFERENT THEMES AND DIFFERENT PLAYGROUND DESIGNS. AND YOU CAN KIND OF SEE IN THE PICTURE THAT I'VE, I'VE GOT BROUGHT UP THERE THAT YOU KNOW, WE HAD A CASTLE THEME WHICH IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE'VE GOT CURRENTLY, ACTUALLY, I THINK IT WAS THE SAME PLAYGROUND COMPANY. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE AQUATIC THEME, WHICH IS KIND OF AQUATIC SIDE OF THINGS, AND YOU'VE GOT A SPORT THEME, WHICH IS KIND OF SIMILAR TO REALLY WHAT WE ARE. EXCUSE ME, SHIP THEME. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT NATURE AND THEN YOU HAVE SPORTS AND YOU DINOSAURS AND TREEHOUSE. AND OUT OF THAT, WHAT WE FOUND OUT, IF YOU LOOK AT THESE RESULTS, IS THAT 50% OF THE RESPONDENTS AND THEY HAD AN OPTION TO CHOOSE MULTIPLE, HAD A TREE HOUSE, AND THE NATURE THEME WAS WAS HIGHLY RANKED. AND THEN YOU HAD THE AQUATIC THEME AND YOU HAD THE SPORTS THEME, AND THEN YOU HAD THE CASTLE THEME THAT CAME IN TIED WITH THE SHIP THEME. SO, YOU KNOW, FOR US THAT THAT KIND OF TELLS US, LIKE WHAT REALLY PEOPLE ARE LOOKING IS THERE'S A VARIETY OF OF WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU LOOK AT PICTURES, THAT REALLY TELLS YOU A LOT. AND I THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD APPROACH BY THE COMPANY WHEN THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW, PUT THIS IN THERE AND WE WERE ABLE TO GENERATE THAT TYPE OF INFORMATION. BUT THE TRYING TO MOVE ON TO HERE. A LOT OF WORDS THAT YOU SEE THAT POP UP NATURE SEEMS TO BE A VERY HIGH THING. AND I'LL KIND OF GO BACK TO THE PRESENTATION HERE TO GO. CAN YOU GO BACK TO THAT LAST SCREEN JUST ONE SECOND. I'M SORRY, I WAS GOING TO SAY THIS, BUT THIS IF YOU NOTICE WHAT THE MAIN THING I WANTED TO SAY IS THAT THOSE WERE PICTURES WERE ILLUSTRATIVE. NO THAT'S FINE. RIGHT. WHERE YOU WERE WERE ILLUSTRATIVE IN NATURE, BUT THEY ALSO COMPARTMENTALIZE SOME THINGS. IT'S AT A CASTLE, BUT THE CASTLE WAS WHITE AND THE TREES ARE NATURAL. AND SO IF YOU LOOK AT THIS SCREEN, IT ACTUALLY SAYS, WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY IS THIS IS THOSE WERE JUST SAMPLES. SO PEOPLE COULD GIVE OPINIONS WHAT WE'VE SEEN IN OUR OWN COMMUNITY. NOW, THAT'S THE PERFECT EXAMPLE OF BLENDING A STYLE WITH CASTLE WITH, BUT IT HAS A DESIGN BLEND THAT MAKES IT NATURAL. AND SO THE PREVIOUS PEOPLE THAT I THINK THERE WAS A SPEAKER THIS MORNING SAID, I DON'T WANT SOMETHING PLASTIC THAT'S JUST SITTING THERE. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT IT AS WHAT IT'S VISUALLY CAPABLE OF. YOU DON'T DISCOUNT WHAT YOU HAVE, AND IT MAY BE BETTER, BUT JUST BY SOFTENING THE PLASTIC AND MAKING IT DULLER, IT BLENDS IN WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL NATURE OF THINGS. AND THAT'S WHAT ULTIMATELY WE'RE GOING TO WANT TO CHALLENGE OUR WHEN WE DO THE RFP TO SAY, COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT IS SAFE, THAT HAS ALL THOSE ATTRIBUTES. BUT I THINK THIS SCREEN WAS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT SAYS DESIGN. PLASTIC MAINTENANCE IS SIMPLE, GREEN NATURE. ALL OF THOSE CAN BE INCORPORATED REGARDLESS OF WHICH ONE YOU CHOOSE. AS IT WAS DONE WITH THE PREVIOUS PIECE THAT WAS ALREADY THERE. THERE WAS. THERE WERE A LOT OF STRAIGHT LINES, BUT IT STILL FOLLOWED BECAUSE OF THE COLOR PALETTE AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S THERE IN THE PARK. SO I'M JUST SAYING IT'S NOT AN ALL OR NOTHING SCENARIO IN THOSE PICTURES. THAT WAS TO GAUGE BECAUSE AS THEY SAY, A PICTURE SAYS A THOUSAND WORDS TO GAUGE THEM TO RATHER THAN TO HAVE ANOTHER 20 QUESTIONS. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. THANK YOU. AND I THINK IT'S IT'S ONE THING THAT I FEEL LIKE WE CAN ALL AGREE ON AND AS AS NICE AND AS GOOD AS OR AS MANY PEOPLE THAT PLAY ON THE ONE AT FLEISCHMANN PARK. THAT'S NOT A DESIGN THAT BELONGS IN CAMBIER PARK. THAT'S NOT THE LOOK THAT WE WANT IN CAMBIER PARK. THAT IS NOT WHAT WE WOULD SEEK TO GO INTO CAMBIER PARK. THAT IS NOT HOW IT SHOULD LOOK. CAMBIER PARK HAS ITS OWN THEME. [01:40:03] IF THERE'S NO REASON TO PUT THE SAME EXACT PLAYGROUND IN ANOTHER PARK, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE SEEK THESE DESIGNS, THAT WE ACTUALLY ALLOW THESE COMPANIES, THESE COMPANIES ARE REALLY GOOD AT WHAT THEY DO. THEY'VE GOT SO MANY RESOURCES. THEY'VE GOT THERE'S SO MANY NEW FEATURES AND SO MANY NEW DESIGNS. AND YOU'LL SEE SOME OF THE PICTURES HERE IN A SECOND. SO AGAIN, THE TREEHOUSE THEME WAS THE ONE OF THE TOP ONES. HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THE PICTURES OR THE PICTURE THAT WE PROVIDED. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF SOME OF THOSE TYPES OF PLAYGROUNDS. AND YOU SEE IT REALLY TAKES THE METAL COMPONENTS, THE PLASTIC THE SLIDES ARE GOING TO BE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET WE HAVE PLASTIC SLIDES NOW. THEY'RE JUST YOU'RE GOING TO GET SOME PLASTIC IN ANY OF THESE DESIGNS. BUT TRYING TO MINIMIZE THAT IS WHAT IS A BIG FOCUS. AND THAT'S IMPORTANT TO US AS WELL AS THE COMMUNITY. AND THEY'VE LET IT BE KNOWN THEY DON'T WANT THIS TO HAVE THIS PLASTIC LOOK. THEY DON'T WANT IT TO HAVE A METAL LOOK WHERE THERE'S A BUNCH OF METAL POSTS AROUND. AND THEY THEY SHOWED THAT BY WHAT THEY VOTED ON. THIS WAS THE NATURE THEME. SO THIS SHOWS SOME OF THE NATURE THEMED PLAYGROUNDS. I DO FEEL THE BOTTOM LEFT PLAYGROUND IS, IS GOT A LITTLE MORE METAL THAN WHAT WE WOULD WANT. BUT YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT YOU CAN GO ABOUT THE, THE NATURE THEME, BUT THE NATURE AND TREEHOUSE THEME WERE THEY'RE ALMOST VERY SIMILAR, WHICH IS WHY YOU SAW THAT KIND OF RESPONSE. AND THEN THERE WAS THE THE SHIP OR AQUATIC. EXCUSE ME, THE AQUATIC THEME. AND THIS IS SOME EXAMPLES OF OF WHAT WAS PROVIDED FOR AQUATIC THEME PLAYGROUNDS WHICH HAS GOT THE SHIP. IDEALLY WHEN YOU LOOK AT A DESIGN AND YOU GET RESPONSES LIKE THIS, YOU REALLY WANT TO LOOK AT LIKE THOSE TOP THREE, AND YOU WANT TO SAY, HOW CAN WE INCORPORATE ALL OF THAT, BUT IN A UNIQUE WAY IN A, IN A DESIGN. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU YOU REALLY WANT THESE COMPANIES TO, TO CHALLENGE THEM TO SAY, HEY, LIKE, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE WHAT WE'RE LOOKING SOME OF THE DESIGN SCOPE THAT WE'VE GOT IN HERE OBVIOUSLY IT WAS INCLUSIVE, AS ALWAYS, THINKING, I THINK IT'S I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I HELP YOU UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN INCLUSIVE AND ACCESSIBLE INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUNDS. AND THERE'S ACCESSIBLE PLAYGROUNDS, AND AN INCLUSIVE PLAYGROUND MEANS THAT IT HAS COMPONENTS OF THE PLAYGROUND DESIGN. SUPPORT CHILDREN OF ALL AGES AND ABILITIES. A ACCESSIBLE PLAYGROUND MEANS IT IS 100% ACCESSIBLE. THAT MEANS IT'S GOT RAMPS TO EVERY FEATURE OF THE PLAYGROUND. IF SOMEONE A CHILD WHO'S IN A WHEELCHAIR WOULD ACCESS EVERY OR EVERY POINT. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE SEEKING. WE'RE SEEKING THE INCLUSIVENESS OF THAT TO SAY, HEY, WE UNDERSTAND YOUR CHILD MIGHT BE THREE YEARS OLD AND MAY HAVE PHYSICAL DISABILITY. SO WE'VE GOT THERE'S SOMETHING FOR THAT CHILD TO PARTICIPATE IN. WE ALSO UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR CHILD THAT'S 12 THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, IS VERY HIGHLY ACTIVE AND LIKES TO BE CHALLENGED. WE HAVE SOMETHING FOR THEM AS WELL. AND THEN EVERYBODY IN BETWEEN. THAT'S WHAT AN INCLUSIVE DESIGN IS. SO I THINK PEOPLE GET CONFUSED WHEN YOU HEAR INCLUSIVE THEY AUTOMATICALLY GO THAT, OKAY, WELL THE PLAYGROUND IS GOING TO BE IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE A WHEELCHAIR RAMP ALL THE WAY AROUND. WELL, NO, THAT'S AN ACCESSIBLE PLAYGROUND. SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE LOOKED IN. AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT TREEHOUSE, THE POOR AND PLACE SURFACING. THAT'S THAT'S SOMETHING. AND THAT TAKES OUT THE PLAY CUSHIONING COMPONENT OF IT. AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE FENCE WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WAS DONE. THE 2 TO 5 YEAR OLD. YOU HEARD THAT EARLIER. HAVING A TIGHT AREA WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY THAT SHARED THE LETTER EARLIER. SO THE 2 TO 5 AREA AND THEN THE 6 TO 12, WHICH IS WHAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE THREE BAY SWINGS. WE WANT TO CONTINUE. SWINGS ARE ALWAYS A THING THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE IN A PLAYGROUND. AND WE WANT TO HAVE SOME ON BOTH SIDES, WHICH IS SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAVE NOW. THE CLIMBER SLIDES, ROCKERS AND SPINNERS. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE HAD A LOT OF RESPONSE. I ACTUALLY HAD ONE. I HAD A LITTLE GIRL THAT SAID, JUST MAKE SURE WHATEVER IT IS HAS REALLY COOL MONKEY BARS. SO IF I DON'T PUT REALLY COOL MONKEY BARS IN THIS PLAYGROUND, I FEEL LIKE SHE'S GOING TO COME AFTER ME. SO WE WE HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE INCORPORATE. AND IT WAS GOOD TO HEAR STUFF LIKE THAT FROM KIDS. AND WE HAD A COUPLE OF THEM THAT SHARED SOME REALLY GOOD INSIGHT DURING THE PUBLIC MEETINGS. ONE THING THAT I WANT. SO CONTRACTORS AND WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT SAFETY, THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT YOU MEASURE SAFETY THROUGH ASTM STANDARDS. BUT ONE THING THAT WE WE KIND OF LOOK AT IS THERE'S A THERE IS A GROUP, IT'S INTERNATIONAL PLAY EQUIPMENT MANUFACTURERS ASSOCIATION. [01:45:09] I TOSSED AROUND ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT SHOULD BE A REQUIREMENT. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE PREFERRED, BECAUSE I THINK THAT IF WE PUT THAT INTO DESIGN, THAT LETS US KNOW THAT WHOEVER WE'RE WORKING WITH HAS DONE THE NECESSARY STEPS TO ENSURE THAT THE PLAYGROUND DESIGN THAT THEY'RE PUTTING FORTH DOES MEET THOSE SAFETY GUIDELINES. AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. SO MAYBE NOT A REQUIREMENT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT IT TO HINDER SOMEBODY FROM NOT BEING ABLE TO PUT IN AND DURING THE RFP PROCESS. SO IF WE PUT THAT AS A PREFERRED AND REALLY LET THEM SHARE THAT ON WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE IT. WE ALSO AGAIN, WE TALKED ABOUT THE TREES REMAINING WE WANT TO WHATEVER DESIGNS THAT ARE SUBMITTED, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE'S RENDERINGS OF IT. THERE'S AN OVERHEAD. WE'D LIKE TO HAVE FLY THRUS ON THIS SO YOU CAN REALLY SEE IT, BECAUSE YOU CAN LOOK AT AN OVERVIEW AND SEE AN OVERHEAD THAT DOESN'T TELL ME WHAT IT REALLY LOOKS LIKE. LIKE, WE WANT TO BE ABLE TO VISUALIZE AND WHEN WHEN WE SEE THIS, THAT'S IMPORTANT. THE INSTALLERS ALSO AGAIN AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT AS WE TALKED IS THAT THEY'RE CERTIFIED TO INSTALL THE EQUIPMENT THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN. YOU CAN PULL SOMEBODY OFF THE STREET AND SAY, HEY, PUT THIS TOGETHER. BUT ARE THEY REALLY? DO THEY HAVE EXPERIENCE IN DOING THAT? SO THERE'S A STANDARD THERE AS WELL FOR NATIONAL PLAYGROUND CONTRACTORS INCORPORATED. AND A LOT OF THESE INSTALLERS, THEY THEY MEET THAT CRITERIA. AND THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER THING THAT I WOULD SAY WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO, AS YOUR INSTALLERS HAVE PREFERRED THAT THEY'RE LICENSED IN THIS MANNER. LET'S SEE WHERE WARRANTY INFORMATION WE WANT TO KNOW. WHAT ARE YOU WARRANTY IN YOUR EQUIPMENT? DO YOU, WHEN YOU'RE SPENDING THIS KIND OF MONEY? I WANT A WARRANTY. I WANT TO KNOW WHEN SOMETHING DOESN'T BREAK, THEY'RE GOING TO COME FIX IT. ALL OF THESE PLAYGROUNDS ARE GOING TO BREAK. ALL OF THEM. THERE'S NOT ONE THAT I'VE EVER BUILT AND I'VE EVER SEEN BUILT THAT DOES NOT BREAK. THE DIFFERENCE IS, CAN WE RELY ON A MANUFACTURER TO COME AND FIX THAT? THAT'S A BIG DEAL FOR US WHEN YOU HAVE WHEN IT'S TOSSED ON THE STAFF TO GO OUT AND MAKE THESE REPAIRS. THAT GETS A LITTLE CHALLENGING FOR US BECAUSE AGAIN, I'VE SAID IT BEFORE, WE DON'T HAVE CERTIFIED PLAYGROUND INSTALLERS. SO ALL OF THAT SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE'RE WHERE WE'RE AT AT THIS POINT IS WE THINK WHAT THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE IS TO GO THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS. WE WOULD WE HAVE A TEAM OF PROFESSIONALS. WE HAVE ENGINEERS ON ON HAND. WE HAVE PLANNING PROFESSIONALS, WE HAVE BUILDING PROFESSIONALS. WE HAVE PROFESSIONALS THAT PROJECT MANAGERS THAT HAVE DONE THESE TYPES OF PROJECTS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. AND THE RFP PROCESS ALLOWS THOSE PROFESSIONALS TO LOOK AT EACH ONE OF THESE DESIGNS AND SAY, YES, THIS, THIS IS GOOD. NO THIS ISN'T. AND THEN COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION. WE WOULD TRY TO PUT THIS RFP OUT. WE'RE TARGETING JANUARY WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW WITH THE HOLIDAYS COMING IN, IT MAKES IT A LITTLE CHALLENGING. BUT IF WE PUT IT OUT IN JANUARY, DUE TO THE INCREASED SENSE OF URGENCY WITH THE CURRENT PLAYGROUND STATUS, WE WE WOULD TRY TO GET THIS. WE CAN EITHER DO 1 OR 2 THINGS. IT CAN COME TO YOU ALL IN MARCH OF 26 FOR AWARD. THAT WOULD BE THE GOAL. OR IF WE TAKE IT TO CSAB, WE'RE LOOKING AT APRIL OF 26 AND THEN THE CONSTRUCTION TIMELINE. I GET ASKED THIS QUESTION. I'VE TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS. IT'S DEPENDENT ON WHO IS SELECTED AND HOW LONG IT TAKES THEM TO GET MATERIALS, AND THAT COULD VARY. WE THEY COULD HAVE IT. THEY COULD SAY, HEY, I'LL HAVE THE EQUIPMENT IN IN A MONTH. THEY COULD SAY IT'LL BE IN IN THREE MONTHS OR SIX MONTHS. WE DON'T KNOW. UNTIL WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND RFP PROCESS, WE WILL ASK THOSE QUESTIONS. THEY WILL HAVE TO PROVIDE US A TIMELINE FOR THAT. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER CRITERIA THAT WE LOOK AT AND CONSIDERING LIKE WHERE WE'RE AT. BUT WE ALSO WANT TO MAKE SURE IF IT TAKES THEM LONGER TO BUILD EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED, THEN THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE GOT ANYTHING ELSE, I THINK QUESTION AND COMMENTS OR IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO ADD. SEVERAL THINGS I WANT TO GO OVER WITH THE WORK. QUICKLY. DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. MERRITT? I HAVE SEVERAL, BUT THERE'S JUST SOME A FEW THINGS TO PUT ON THE RECORD. [01:50:02] AND IF YOU WANT TO ASK A QUESTION NOW, LET'S GO AHEAD. BUT I JUST WANT TO BE BRIEF BECAUSE I'D LIKE TO GET TO THE PUBLIC SPEAKERS. OH, GOOD. GO AHEAD. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE COMPLETE. CORRECT, MR. MERRITT. THANK YOU. I ALMOST MISSED THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE WHOLE PRESENTATION. OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS CAROLYN. SOL DEVENY. GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS COUNCIL, AND I'M A NAPLES NATIVE AND MOM OF A TWO AND FOUR YEAR OLD. AND FLESHMAN IS PART OF OUR ALMOST DAILY LIVES. WE GO OUT OR. EXCUSE ME, NOT FLESHMAN. CAMBIER PARK IS PART OF OUR DAILY LIVES, AND WE GO AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK. MY FAVORITE IS TO GO RIGHT AFTER THE SATURDAY FARMER'S MARKET. IF I'M SOLO PARENTING, I LIKE TO STOP AT STARBUCKS, AND I LOVE THAT IT'S FENCED IN, THERE'S TONS OF SHADE, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, THAT IT HAS THOSE NATURAL ELEMENTS. AS A NAPLES NATIVE, I GREW UP GOING TO CAMBIER PARK, TOO, AND I, I LOVE THAT THIS IS MY HOMETOWN, BUT SOMETIMES WE HAVE A CULTURE TO SOMETIMES OUT WITH THE OLD AND IN WITH THE NEW. AND THAT'S WHY I FOUND THE SWAMP BUGGY PARADE DISCUSSION REALLY IMPORTANT. BUT KEEPING THOSE PARTS OF NAPLES THAT WE'VE SEEN HERE FOR DECADES AND DECADES, AND I'M SURE SOME OF YOU HAVE EVEN TAKEN YOUR KIDS TO CAMBIER PARK, JUST THAT IN STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY AND THE NATURAL ELEMENTS AND THE WOOD ELEMENTS AND BEING PART OF NATURE, INSTEAD OF BUILDING SOMETHING REALLY COLORFUL AND PLASTIC ON TOP OF IT, IS SOMETHING REALLY, REALLY SPECIAL FOR PARENTS HERE. JUST THE MEMORIES THAT I'VE HAD THERE HAVE BEEN PLAYING ON IN THOSE PARTS OF THE PARK TO I TOLD MY FAMILY THAT I WAS PREGNANT THERE, TAKING MY KIDS, MY SISTER'S KIDS TO THE PARK THERE. LOVE THE TODDLER SEPARATION AREA. JUST SO THAT THE LITTLE KIDS CAN HAVE A REALLY GOOD TIME WITHOUT HAVING TO BE FEARFUL OF THE OLDER KIDS. AND I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND SAFETY. WE CANNOT HOLD ON TO THE PAST AND RISK OF ENDANGERING OUR CHILDREN. SO I APPRECIATE OUR EFFORTS TO TO GET THIS GOING AND GET IT DONE QUICKLY. AND I'M REALLY GLAD THAT THE COMMUNITY SEEMS TO AGREE WITH THE NATURAL ELEMENTS. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT WITH THE FLASH VOTE THAT IT I'M HOPING THAT IT SHOWS THAT THE WE WANT THE ESTHETIC TO BE NATURAL. BUT THE CHOICES WERE COMING DOWN TO LIKE, AQUATIC OR CASTLE OR THESE LIKE SPECIFIC EXAMPLES. FOR ME PERSONALLY, I DON'T REALLY CARE WHAT THE THEME IS, IT'S JUST MORE SO THAT IT'S PART OF NATURE INSTEAD OF BUILT ON TOP OF IT AND GIVES THOSE NATURAL ELEMENTS, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE SPECIFIC THEME MAY BE, WHETHER IT'S CASTLE OR AQUATIC OR PIRATE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND ANOTHER IDEA IS, IS SOMETHING THAT ALLOWS OUR CHILDREN TO PLAY IN A SAFE SPACE. AND BUT LEARN TO TAKE CALCULATED RISKS, LIKE WE SAID, MONKEY BARS AND CLIMBING AND AND KNOWING THAT THERE'S THAT SUPPORT UNDERNEATH NOT JUST SOMETHING THAT'S THAT'S OVERLY SAFE TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, PARENTS CAN SIT BACK AND JUST WATCH, BUT THEY CAN KIND OF LEARN TO TAKE RISKS AND LEARN TO FALL AND GET UP AND SAY, IT'S OKAY AND GET BRAVE AND START CLIMBING RIGHT AGAIN. AGAIN, THAT SMALL ELEMENTS THAT REALLY ENHANCE A PARENT'S DAY TO DAY LIFE HERE. AND JUST THAT FOR THE PARENTS, GOING TO A PARK THAT'S MADE OF THESE NATURAL ELEMENTS IS LIKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN OUR DAY TO DAY. LIKE I LOVE GETTING A COFFEY, I LOVE WATCHING MY KIDS PLAY THERE, AND MY KIDS REGULARLY ASK TO GO TO CAMBIER OVER OTHER PARKS. SO JUST BEING ABLE TO LOOK AT SOMETHING THAT'S MORE ESTHETICALLY PLEASING IS REALLY NICE. OBVIOUSLY THE SHADING AND FENCING. REALLY GLAD WE WANT TO KEEP ALL OF THAT. ANOTHER RECOMMENDATION IS WHEN WE DO ASK FOR IN THE RFP PROCESS FOR THE WARRANTIES, MAYBE SOMETHING ABOUT HOW LONG IT WILL TAKE TO REPAIR SOMETHING, BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT. FLEISCHMAN PARK YOU KNOW, WE'VE SEEN THINGS OUT OF REPAIR, AND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE WARRANTY, BUT HOW QUICKLY ARE YOU HERE UNDER CONTRACT TO GET BACK AND ACTUALLY REPAIR IT? AND AND BRINGING IN I'VE SEEN IN A LOT OF PARKS IN EUROPE AND KIND OF PART OF THIS NATURAL ELEMENTS THAT WE HAVE BRINGING IN LIKE WATER PLAY, WE HAVE A LOT OF RAIN THAT WE COULD USE TO FILL THAT UP ORGANICALLY. AND YES, IT'S MESSY, BUT THAT'S KIND OF THE POINT OF TAKING YOUR KIDS TO CAMBIER PARK. OUR KIDS GET MESSY AND DIRTY AND MULCH IS ALL OVER MY CAR ALL THE TIME, BUT IT'S A REALLY SPECIAL PART OF IT. SO THANK YOU FOR KEEPING IT SAFE. AND THANK YOU FOR REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY TO AND HOPEFULLY INCORPORATING THOSE NATURAL ELEMENTS THAT REALLY KEEP IT SO SPECIAL. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ALENA SMITH, FOLLOWED BY ELLEN GOETZ, FOLLOWED BY JENNA HEIDEMANN. [01:55:01] GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL. MY NAME IS ELENA SMITH AND I LIVE AT 770 ANDERSON DRIVE, NAPLES, FLORIDA. I'M OBVIOUSLY HERE TO TALK WITH YOU GUYS ABOUT CAMBIER PARK. I AM A NAPLES NATIVE. I HAVE TWO BOYS, SEVEN AND THREE. I GREW UP GOING TO CAMBIER PARK AND ALL OUR PARKS HERE. AND NOW I GET TO BRING MY CHILDREN TO THOSE THOSE SAME SPACES, WHICH IS REALLY VERY SPECIAL. THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO SPEAK TO YOU TODAY ABOUT THE REBUILD OF CAMBIER PARK. CAMBIER HAS ALWAYS BEEN MORE THAN JUST A PLAYGROUND FOR MANY FAMILIES. IT HAD THE NATURAL TREE HOUSE ASPECT, THE CHARM THAT WE ALL KNOW AND LOVE IN NAPLES. AND IT TRULY FELT MAGICAL. IT IS SHADED, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IS SO GREAT. THAT'S PROVIDED BY THE TREES. IMAGINATIVE. AND, LIKE I SAID, UNIQUE. MY BOYS ALWAYS LOVED IT THERE. AND IT GAVE THEM A SENSE OF ADVENTURE AND A PLACE TO EXPLORE AND PLAY CREATIVELY. I WANT TO KINDLY ASK THE CITY TO BE VERY THOUGHTFUL, IN PARTICULAR WHEN CHOOSING THE PLAYGROUND MANUFACTURER AND DESIGN FOR THE REBUILD. WE ALL WANT CAMBIAR TO FEEL LIKE CAMBIAR, NOT LIKE ANY OTHER PARK. THE SURVEY RESULTS CLEARLY SHOWED THAT THE COMMUNITY PREFERS A TREE HOUSE NATURE ASPECT, AND I REALLY HOPE THAT VISION IS HONORED. I ALSO WANT TO SHARE A EXPERIENCE THAT I'VE HAD WITH OTHER PARKS, SPECIFICALLY FLESHMAN PARK. AS CHAD SAID, OBVIOUSLY PLAYGROUNDS WILL FALL INTO DISREPAIR. BUT THE IMPORTANT PART IS HOW QUICKLY CAN THOSE REPAIRS BE DONE? AND UNFORTUNATELY, IN MY EXPERIENCE, IT SEEMS LIKE THINGS ARE CONTINUALLY BROKEN AT THAT PARK. SO THAT CONCERNS ME THAT THAT COULD HAPPEN AT CAMBIAR ONCE IT'S REBUILT. AND BASED OFF OF THE DESIGN SELECTED. SO WE RARELY TAKE OUR KIDS TO FLESHMAN BECAUSE OF THAT. EVEN THOUGH IT'S A LITTLE BIT CLOSER TO OUR HOUSE. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE YOU GUYS AWARE OF THAT. I HOPE YOU'LL CHOOSE A COMPANY EXPERIENCED AND BUILDING NATURE THEMED TREEHOUSES. ELLEN AND I HAVE BEEN SPEAKING, AND SHE BELIEVES THAT SHE'S FOUND A REALLY GREAT MANUFACTURER THAT YOU GUYS SHOULD CONSIDER. PLAY BY DESIGN IS THE MANUFACTURER'S NAME. CAMBRIA HAS. AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, IT'S HELD CHILDHOOD MEMORIES FOR ME AND NOW HOLDS MEMORIES FOR MY KIDS. AND I REALLY AM LOOKING FORWARD TO A BEAUTIFUL, REBUILT PARK. I DO WANT TO MENTION, I THINK IT WOULD BE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR YOU GUYS TO OVERCOMMUNICATE WITH THE MOMS AND THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THE TIMELINE, ABOUT EVERY STEP OF THE WAY. JUST LIKE TELL US MORE INFORMATION THAN YOU NORMALLY WOULD, BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE ARE SCARED BASED OFF OF MAYBE THE PROCESS OF THE PIER REBUILD THINGS ALONG THOSE LINES. LINES, THEY START TO GET REALLY ANXIOUS ABOUT IT. SO I THINK IF YOU GIVE US INFORMATION MORE THAN WE NEED OR WANT, THAT WOULD MAYBE HELP THE PUBLIC SENTIMENT AND PREVENT ANY TYPE OF HYSTERIA. THANK YOU AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. I THINK MONIQUE HEARD THE COMMUNICATION PIECE LOUD AND CLEAR. AND THANK GOODNESS WE DON'T HAVE FEMA TO WORRY ABOUT OR ANY OTHER FEDERAL TO MAKE THIS DECISION. NEXT SPEAKER IS ELLEN GOETZ. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR HEITMANN AND COUNCIL. I APPRECIATE THE TIME. ELLEN GOETZ, THIRD AVENUE NORTH. YOU KNOW ME. I'VE SPOKEN TO MANY OF YOU ABOUT THIS ISSUE BEFORE YOU TODAY. I HAVE I THINK WE HAVE A WAY FORWARD THAT CAN DO WHAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO DO WITH THIS PLAYGROUND. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU TWO QUICK STORIES. THE FIRST IS THE WAY I EVER GOT INTO THIS CRAZINESS OF PLAY IS ABOUT 30 YEARS AGO, I WAS VISITING MY COLLEGE BUDDY IN WESTPORT, CONNECTICUT, WITH MY KIDS, WHO ARE ALL UNDER THE AGE OF FIVE. AND SHE SAID, OH, LET'S GO TO THE PLAYGROUND. I WAS LIKE, WHY THE HELL WOULD I WANT TO GO TO A PLAYGROUND? SHE'S LIKE, NO, NO, NO, THIS PLAYGROUND WAS BUILT BY OUR COMMUNITY. YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE IT. I'M LIKE, OH YEAH, RIGHT. I'VE SEEN THEM ALL. WHATEVER. I GO TO THIS PLAYGROUND. AND IT WAS WHAT WE BUILT IN GAMBIER, BUT DONE IN WESTPORT, CONNECTICUT. AND I WAS BORN AGAIN, BASICALLY. AND THAT'S WHAT STARTED THE WHOLE CRAZY SNOWBALL. THAT'S WHAT HOW WE BEGAN THE PROCESS WITH WHAT LEATHERS AND COMPANY. IT WAS A NINE MONTH PLANNING PROCESS. IT WAS ABOUT A TEN DAY VOLUNTEER BUILD, I BELIEVE MAYOR HEITMANN WAS A MEMBER OF THAT TEAM, AS WERE MANY PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY. BUT INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THE THE FIRM PLAY BY DESIGN IS WAS FORMED ABOUT 15 YEARS AGO BY A BUNCH OF CORE PEOPLE FROM THE ORIGINAL LEATHERS FIRM THAT STARTED UP A COMPANY. AND WHAT DO THEY DO? THEY GO AROUND THE COUNTRY AND THEY REBUILD LEATHERS, PLAYGROUNDS WITH COMMUNITIES. [02:00:06] AND GUESS WHAT? WESTPORT, CONNECTICUT JUST FINISHED REBUILDING THEIR PLAYGROUND MORE THAN 30 YEARS OLD, USING PLAY BY DESIGN, AND I DIDN'T KNOW THAT. SO THAT'S ONE COOL STORY. SECOND COOL STORY IS AFTER I WAS HAD A VERY PLEASANT MEETING WITH MR. YOUNG ON MONDAY MORNING, I WENT OVER TO THE PLAYGROUND, CLOSED, AND I SAT UNDER THE CHICKEE WITH MY LITTLE CUP OF TEA, AND AND MY MOM WAS COMING UP ON HER CELL PHONE AND SHE'S YELLING IN THE PHONE, OH MY GOD, THE PLAYGROUND IS CLOSED. SHE WAS DESPERATE. OBVIOUSLY, SHE HAD THESE KIDS. WHAT IS SHE GOING TO DO WITH THESE KIDS? AND SHE SAW THE NICE NOTICE THAT CHAD HAD PUT ON THE THING THAT WE HAVE THESE OTHER PLAYGROUNDS. SO WHEN SHE GOT OFF THE PHONE, I SAID, YEAH, BAKER PARK IS A GREAT PLAYGROUND. YOU SHOULD GO OVER THERE. SHE'S LIKE, OH, I'M SO SAD. WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO? AND I TOLD HER, WELL, WE BUILT THIS 30 YEARS AGO. THERE'S A WAY FORWARD. WE'RE TALKING TO THE CITY ABOUT REBUILDING IT IN A VERY USING VERY SIMILAR VERY SIMILAR DESIGN. AND SHE SAID, OH, THAT IS SO WONDERFUL. I SAID, WHERE ARE YOU FROM? CLEVELAND, OHIO. SHE SAID, WE COME EVERY YEAR TO THIS PLAYGROUND. WE LOVE THIS PLAYGROUND. AND THAT WAS JUST I WAS THERE FOR TEN MINUTES ON A DAY WHEN WHICH WAS NOT A BUSY DAY. SO. SO THIS CAMBIER PLAYGROUND WAS DESIGNED BY A FIRM THAT KNOWS HOW TO MAKE CREATIVE PLAY ENVIRONMENTS. IT IS NOT A COBBLING TOGETHER OF MANUFACTURED ELEMENTS, WHICH IS THE WAY THE PLAY WORLD HAS BECOME. UNFORTUNATELY. THE OTHER COOL THING ABOUT PLAY BY DESIGN IS THEY'VE DONE MANY REBUILDS IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA AS WELL AS AROUND THE COUNTRY. JACKSONVILLE BEACH HAS A BEAUTIFUL NEW PLAYGROUND. THEY THEY WORK IN THE SAME REALM THAT ALL OF US AND CHAD HAS TO WORK IN, WHICH IS THEY HAVE TO MEET ALL THE CURRENT CODES. THEY HAVE TO. THEY USE NEW MATERIALS. NOBODY HAS USED WOOD IN MANY YEARS. IT'S ALL IT'S. IT'S A WHOLE NEW WORLD IN PLAY. TO REBUILD CAMBIAR IS LIKELY GOING TO BE DIFFERENT BECAUSE OF THOSE CODES. CAMBIAR IS A VERY TINY SPACE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT. SO. SO THOSE CODES SOMETIMES MANDATE THAT THINGS HAVE TO BE SEPARATED MORE THAN THEY WERE. SO WE'RE NOT SAYING REBUILD CAMBIAR AND MAKE IT LOOK EXACTLY LIKE CAMBIAR. WE'RE SAYING REBUILD CAMBIAR PLAYGROUND USING A FIRM THAT KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE DOING WHEN IT COMES TO CREATIVE PLAY. THAT'S WHAT THESE GUYS DO. BARRY SIEGEL, WHO IS OUR PROJECT MANAGER MANY YEARS AGO, HE IS WITH HE'S BEEN WITH THIS FIRM FOR 15 YEARS. SO THEY HAVE A HUGE I THINK SOME OF YOU MAY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO I KNOW THAT MR. YOUNG HAS LOOKED INTO THIS FIRM. WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS FOR YOU TO CONSIDER LOOKING AT THIS COMPANY TO DO THIS KIND OF PROJECT FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES. THEY THEY DO IT. THEY KNOW WHAT TO DO. THEY KNOW HOW TO MAKE A CREATIVE PLAY ENVIRONMENT THAT WILL CONTINUE THIS LEGACY THAT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR 29 YEARS OF CREATIVE PLAY. THE REASON, ONE OF THE REASONS THESE PLAYGROUNDS HAVE A LOT OF WEAR AND TEAR IS THEY ARE ALWAYS THE MOST POPULAR PLAY ENVIRONMENTS IN ANY COMMUNITY. AND YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'S HARD TO GET TO CANBERRA THESE DAYS, RIGHT? IT'S PACKED. IT'S PACKED WITH KIDS AND IT'S PACKED WITH THEIR PARENTS BECAUSE THAT'S THE KIND OF CREATIVE PLAY ENVIRONMENT IT IS. WE WANT THAT TO HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE, MEETING ALL THE CODES AND EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. THE OTHER GOOD THING IS THIS FIRM BUILDS THE PLAYGROUND. THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE DONE. THE ENVIRONMENT HAS CHANGED LEGALLY AND IN MANY WAYS, SO THAT IT'S MUCH HARDER FOR A COMMUNITY TO ACTUALLY BUILD SOMETHING THE CITY OF NAPLES DOES NOT WANT TO MY UNDERSTANDING, DOES NOT WANT TO ENGAGE IN THAT. THAT'S GREAT. THAT'S WHAT THESE GUYS DO. SO MY MY ASK OF YOU TODAY IS TO CONSIDER THIS AS A PROCESS, MOVING FORWARD TO TALK TO THESE OTHER COMMUNITIES AND SEE HOW THEY'VE DONE IT. THEY'RE ALL DEALING IN THE SAME WORLD THAT WE ARE LEGALLY, AND THIS IS WHAT THOSE COMMUNITIES HAVE KEPT THE MAGIC OF THOSE ORIGINAL PLAYGROUNDS MOVING INTO THE FUTURE. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR YOU GUYS TO CONSIDER. ONE OTHER THING IS, I'D LIKE TO MENTION, IF THERE IS A DESIRE, WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO START A FRIENDS GROUP THAT WOULD ACCEPT DONATIONS, LARGE AND SMALL, TO TO BE GIVEN TO THE CITY TO HELP MAINTAIN THIS IN THE FUTURE. SORT OF AN ENDOWMENT FUND, SHALL WE SAY. WHEN WE DID, WHEN WE FINISHED GAMBIER, WE LEFT AN ENDOWMENT. I THINK IT WAS 30,000 BUCKS WITH THE CITY OF NAPLES. I'D LOVE TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT. BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, 30 YEARS AGO, 30,000 WAS A LOT OF MONEY. TODAY'S MONEY. I THINK THAT PARK CALLED THAT PLAYGROUND COST US 250,000 $300,000, DOLLARS, ALL DONATED, BY THE WAY. SO IN TODAY'S WORLD, WE'RE TALKING A MILLION. EASY, RIGHT? IT'S A DIFFERENT WORLD. WE ALL KNOW WE'VE ALL BUILT HOUSES OR DONE CONSTRUCTION. WE KNOW THAT IT'S A DIFFERENT WORLD. SO I JUST WANT TO THROW THAT OUT TO YOU AS PART OF A CONSIDERATION. [02:05:03] THANK YOU. AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. AND IF YOU WANT ME TO SIT DOWN AND COME BACK, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT. I JUST I'M GOING TO ASK FOR CONSENSUS AFTER TALKING TO THE CITY MANAGER. WE HAVE ALLOWED THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO HAVE MEMBERS OF THE PAB BE PART OF THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE. AND SO I'M GOING TO ASK LATER IF MAYBE COUNCIL WILL GIVE ME A CONSENSUS TO ADD MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY, WHICH I'M PUTTING YOU ON THE SPOT TO CONSIDER IF THAT I GET THAT CONSENSUS. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID I'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. YES, I WAS THE WATER BOY, MY HUSBAND, BECAUSE OF SURGERY. THEY GAVE HIM A CHAINSAW, WHICH WAS A BAD MISTAKE. IT WAS GREAT FUN. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO YOU REMEMBER BARRY SIEGEL, RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY, I HAVE. NEXT SPEAKER IS JENNA HEIDEMANN. GOOD MORNING. HI, EVERYBODY. JENNA HEIDEMANN. I'M GOING TO KEEP MY COMMENTS VERY SHORT BECAUSE I AGREE WITH ALL THE SENTIMENTS OF THE LADIES BEFORE ME. I LIVE IN NAPLES AND I HAVE THREE SMALL CHILDREN, AND WE LOVE AND FREQUENT BEER ALL THE TIME. WE LOVE GOING ON THE WEEKENDS AND SPENDING THE DAY DOWNTOWN. IT'S BECOME A LITTLE TRADITION FOR US. I ADMITTEDLY DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THIS PROJECT, ALTHOUGH I DID TAKE THE SURVEY AND I DID SEND IT TO ALL MY FRIENDS, SO I. I'M KIND OF IN THE LOOP. BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT MY KIDS ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS PLAYGROUND, AND WE'RE SAD THAT IT'S CLOSED. UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S SAFETY CONCERNS AND IT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. SO THANK YOU FOR FOR TAKING CARE OF THAT. BUT IF THERE IS A WAY TO REBUILD THIS PLAYGROUND CLOSE TO WHAT EXISTS TODAY AND SORT OF HONOR THE HISTORY AND THE NATURAL ESTHETIC OF THE PLAYGROUND, I KNOW WE WOULD WELCOME THAT. AND ALL OF MY FRIENDS WOULD WELCOME THAT. SO PLEASE TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY, THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC COMMENT. COUNCIL DISCUSSION COMMENTS. KRAMER PETRANOFF PENMAN. DO YOU WANT TO GO FIRST? OKAY. YOU PROBABLY YOU MAY ALREADY BE DOING THIS. BUT I WAS WONDERING. THE SIGNS WE HAVE UP NOW, IS IT? THEY ALREADY HAVE. IS IT POSSIBLE? COME ON. TOY BOAT, TOY BOAT, TOY BOAT. ALL RIGHT, HERE WE GO. I USED TO STUTTER BED, AND THAT WAS THE EXERCISE I HAD TO DO. OKAY. SORRY ABOUT THAT. WE COULD HAVE PUT A QR CODE ON THE SIGN, AND THAT WOULD SEND FOLKS TO AN UPDATE, A WEBSITE THAT WHERE IT'S GOT THE INFORMATION AND IS UPDATING. COULD WE DO THAT? I'M JUST ASKING. YEAH. NO PROBLEM. I DON'T KNOW IF WE ALREADY WERE DOING THAT, BUT I THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE WE HAVEN'T GOTTEN OUT THERE YET. WE JUST HAVE A LIST OF WHERE THE CURRENT OTHER PLAYGROUNDS ARE. BUT WE ONCE WE KIND OF GET THE BALL ROLLING ON THIS. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. FOR UPDATES. AND YOU CAN EVEN PUT IT AT FLESHMAN AND YOU KNOW, ALL OF THEM AND SAY FOR UPDATES ON CAMBIAR, THEY HIT THAT AND IT'LL TAKE THEM TO THE WEBSITE FOR UPDATES AND TIMELINES. DONE THAT. I DON'T KNOW. OKAY. AND THEN I JUST WANT TO THROW OUT THERE. SO WE'RE ALL AGREED. WE WANT IT. OBVIOUSLY THE TREE CANOPY IS NOT GOING TO BE CHANGED. WE WANT THE NATURE THEME ALONG WITH TREE. I LIKE THAT TREE HOUSE THING. IT LOOKS COOL, BUT IT'S ALSO, YOU SEE THE BIRD'S WINGS OR WHATEVER. THAT WAS A HERON OR SOMETHING THAT HAS SLIDES. THAT WAS. I MEAN, IT'S ALL COOL AND JUST ABOUT ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE NOWADAYS. BUT HAVING BUILT STUFF AND ESPECIALLY AROUND RECREATION, THE INSTALL IS PARAMOUNT. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT WHOEVER THEIR SUBS ARE GET VETTED BECAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER. HOW GREAT THE PRODUCT IS IF IT'S NOT PUT IN CORRECTLY AND THEN YOU KNOW THE ASSUMPTION IT'S GOING TO GET BROKEN. THERE'S GOING THERE'S VANDALISM. UNFORTUNATELY, THE MORE POPULAR IT IS, THE MORE IT'S USED AND THINGS. AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A TUNE UP PERIOD AFTER YOU BUILD ANYTHING LIKE THAT WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. SCREW OR WHATEVER MECHANISM IS USED FOR ATTACHING PARTS. SOMETHING DIDN'T GET TIGHTENED QUITE RIGHT, OR IT DIDN'T GRAB WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO. AND SO THERE'S EARLY ON. SERVICE IS INEVITABLE. AND I WOULD JUST SAY THE INSTALL IS REALLY IMPORTANT AND THE SERVICE AFTER IS REALLY IMPORTANT. ONE OF THE THINGS I DID WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS IS I TOOK MY KIDS, MY GRANDKIDS OUT TO THE BIG, BIG CYPRESS PARK CORKSCREW. YEAH, SORRY THAT THE COUNTY DOES AND THAT'S COOL AND EVERYTHING. AND THEN I TALKED TO WAS A GAL THAT WAS RUNNING IT AND SHE SAID, THIS THING'S A AND IT WAS LEATHERS. AND I TALKED TO THEM TOO. AND I'M REALLY GLAD ELLEN CAME UP WITH AN ALTERNATIVE BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T GET SERVICE. THEY CAN'T GET IT FIXED. THEY CAN'T GET PARTS. LEATHERS WANTS TO SHIP THEM WOOD AND SAY HAVE AT IT. AND AND SHE SAID SHE WOULD NEVER DO THAT AGAIN. WHAT IS THERE IF SHE HAD A CHOICE? AND BY THE WAY, I CALLED THEM LIKE THREE TIMES. THEY WOULDN'T RETURN MY CALL. AND I FINALLY GOT TO SOMEBODY. AND THEN I FOUND OUT THAT THEY HAD FRACTURED. AND THERE WAS A SPLIT IN THE FAMILY. AND TWO OTHER COMPANIES, I GUESS, HAVE BEEN CREATED OUT OF. WHAT WAS THAT? [02:10:07] SO I SAY ALL THAT TO SAY THIS, LET'S BE SURE THAT OUR INSTALL IS A REAL PRIORITY. WHATEVER THE DESIGN IS, IT'S GOING TO BE GREAT. WE GOT REALLY CREATIVE, SMART PEOPLE GOING TO BE ALL OVER THAT, AND THE SERVICE ASPECT IS PARAMOUNT. SO IT WHATEVER IT TAKES TO MAKE SURE THAT HAPPENS. I WOULD STRONGLY ENCOURAGE US TO DO THOSE TWO THINGS, MAKE THOSE A TOP PRIORITY. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. OKAY. THANK YOU. PETRANOFF. YES. THANK YOU. MY QUESTION IS BOTH FOR THE MOMS AND AND FOR AND FOR ALL OF YOU. ONE IS HOW DO WE KNOW? IMAGINATIVE SEEMS TO HAVE COME UP AS A THEME THEY WANT THEIR KIDS TO. DO YOU WANT YOUR KIDS TO PLAY AND IMAGINE WHAT WHAT DOES THAT TRANSLATE INTO ON FEATURES IN A, IN A BUILD LIKE THIS SO THAT WE DON'T LEAD TO DISAPPOINTMENT? SOME OF THE THINGS I HEARD FROM SOME OF THE MOMS THAT AREN'T HERE TODAY IS THEY DON'T WANT THINGS SO FORMULAIC, LIKE, YOU KNOW, GADGETS ALL OVER THE PLACE. THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, IMAGINE A WHOLE DIFFERENT WORLD. BUT I'M A LITTLE UNCLEAR ON WHAT THAT MEANS IN YOUR MINDS TO TO A BUILDING SPECIFICATION SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE BUILD THIS THING, IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T DISAPPOINT. I'LL TAKE A CRACK AT IT FOR BECAUSE I HAVE A WIFE AND A DAUGHTER. BUT I THINK WHAT THEY'RE AFTER IS, AGAIN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT A TRADITIONAL PLAYGROUND AND YOU GO IN EXACTLY THAT, YOU SEE GADGETS AND THINGS THAT ENTERTAIN THEM, THAT THEY THEY WANT THE PLAYGROUND ITSELF TO BE ENTERTAINING. FROM THE FACT THAT WE TALK ABOUT THE TREEHOUSE, WE USE THAT FOR AN EXAMPLE THAT THEY'RE UP IN A TREE HOUSE AND THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY MIGHT BE RUNNING FROM THE ENEMY OR SOMETHING LIKE, THAT'S THE TYPE OF IMAGINATION COMPONENTS THAT THEY WANT. THEY DON'T WANT US TO HAVE A PLAYGROUND FULL OF LITTLE TOYS FOR THEM TO PLAY ON WITH. YOU KNOW, YOU'VE SEEN SOME OF THEM THAT HAVE LITTLE SLIDE GAMES THAT ARE ON THERE. THAT'S NOT. YEAH, THOSE ARE SENSORY IMAGINATIVE. IS THE PLAYGROUND ITSELF CREATING THAT THAT SENSE OF IMAGINATION THAT THEY'RE EITHER A BIRD AND A TREE OR A PIRATE ON A SHIP. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE AFTER. OKAY. AND I'M SEEING TWO MOMS SHAKING THEIR HEADS, YOU KNOW? IS THAT WHAT? WHAT? OKAY. WHAT? YOU'RE KIND OF NAIL IT. DID I NAIL IT? WHAT YOU'RE THINKING. OKAY, JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW. YOU KNOW, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CODES HAVE REALLY CHANGED SINCE THE 90S. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO BE BRINGING IN THINGS THAT ARE NOT GOING TO BE WOOD CHIPS AND OTHER OTHER ELEMENTS. AND, YOU KNOW, ONE MOM I SPOKE WITH REALLY WANTED TO KEEP THE WOOD CHIPS, WHICH I GUESS ARE NOT THAT'S DATED AND OTHER THERE'S OTHER REPLACEMENTS, BUT WHEN WE BRING THE UPDATED CODES AND BRING THE UPDATED MATERIALS FOR WHATEVER PLAYGROUND WE BUILD ARE THE MOMS AWARE OF THAT? YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT AND, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO DISAPPOINT AND SAY, OH MY GOD, THIS IS ALL PLASTIC. IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE NATURE BECAUSE WOOD CHIPS ARE NOT THERE. YEAH I THINK THAT EXPECTATION BEEN SET AND UNDERSTOOD. YEAH I THINK WE ALL UNDERSTAND THAT WHAT WE'RE AFTER IS NOT SOMETHING THAT STANDS OUT. YOU SHOULDN'T RIDE DOWN THE STREET AND SAY, OH WOW, THAT'S BRIGHT. SO BRIGHT COLORS IS NOT AN OPTION. AND THAT KIND OF COMES DOWN TO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SURFACING. THEY CAN COLOR THE SURFACING TAN, THEY CAN COLOR IT, WHATEVER. WE'VE HAD SOME FEEDBACK OF HAVING A CREEK LOOK, AND THEY CAN PAINT WHERE IT LOOKS LIKE A CREEK RUNS THROUGH, AND THAT'S THAT IMAGINATIVE SIDE WHERE IT GOES. YOU MIGHT HAVE A BRIDGE TRANSITIONING FROM ONE TOWER TO ANOTHER, AND THE CREEK RUNS UNDER IT. SO IT'S LIKE THEY'RE WALKING OVER A RIVER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO THEY HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF BLENDING THAT. WE TALK ABOUT THE CHIPS. GETTING RID OF THAT I THINK WOULD MAKE THE MAYOR HAPPY BECAUSE I KNOW SHE DOESN'T LIKE THE MULCH. SO WE I THINK THE POURING PLACE IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT IS, IT'S THAT'S WHAT IT'S CALLED THAT SURFACING THAT OCCURS OR THAT YOU HAVE WE HAVE IT IN THAT PLAYGROUND IN CERTAIN AREAS. IT'S LIKE A RUBBERIZED SURFACE, BUT THAT THAT ALLOWS A CHILD WITH A PHYSICAL DISABILITY TO BE ABLE TO PLAY WHERE MULCH AND PLAYGROUND CUSHIONING SHIFTS, AND THAT'S WHY A LOT OF PLAYGROUND COMPANY OR PLAYGROUND DESIGNS HAVE MOVED AWAY FROM THAT. NOW THERE IS A WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME OF THOSE PLAYGROUNDS THAT HAVE CONTINUE TO HAVE THOSE TYPES OF CUSHIONING IN THAT, BUT THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR, BECAUSE OF ITS USAGE AND BEING DIVERSE WE WOULD MAKE SURE THAT THAT SURFACING IS NOT BRIGHT COLORED AND DOESN'T STAND OUT. IT'S GOING TO MATCH IN WITH THE ENVIRONMENT. OKAY. NO MATTER WHO THE DESIGN IS. AND MOMS THAT SORT OF MEETS YOUR YOUR THAT YOUR EXPECTATION IS THAT THINGS ARE NOT GOING TO BE WOOD CHIPS. [02:15:07] THEY'RE GOING TO BE SOMETHING ELSE. I MEAN I AGREE SORRY YOU CAN'T SPEAK FROM THERE. BUT WAIT. OH, OKAY. YOU COULD COME FORWARD. SORRY, SORRY. COUNCIL TO BE ME AGAIN. I DIDN'T REALIZE. WELL, IF THAT'S WHAT HAS TO HAPPEN, IF THAT'S WHAT CODE IS OR IF THAT'S WHAT'S SAFE OR THAT'S WHAT KEEPS THE INTEGRITY GOING LONGER, THEN THEN OF COURSE, THAT'S THAT'S THE BEST RESOLUTION. BUT KEEPING THOSE NATURAL ELEMENTS IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO ME TOO, BECAUSE LIVING IN FLORIDA, THIS IS PARADISE. BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE LIKE AN AREA DESIGNATED FOR OUR KIDS TO PLAY BECAUSE WE HAVE REALLY WEIRD INSECTS AND SPIDERS, AND IT'S REALLY HOT AND MUGGY ALL THE TIME. SO IT'S A PLACE OTHER THAN THE BEACH. I CAN TAKE MY KIDS AND ACTUALLY EXPOSE THEM TO NATURAL ELEMENTS IN A SAFE SPACE, AND I HOPE THAT'S TRANSLATING CORRECTLY. DO I HATE THE MULCH IN MY CAR? YES, BUT IT IS. IT IS JUST A SAFE. I DO ENJOY THAT THEY CAN GET DIRTY AND GET INTO THE DIRT AND MULCH, AND THE CITY DOES A REALLY GOOD JOB AT KEEPING IT CLEAN. I DON'T REALLY SEE VERY OFTEN. SOMETHING IN THE MULCH THAT MIGHT DETER ME, BUT I GUESS IT'S THAT POINT THAT I DON'T HAVE. WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SPACES OTHER THAN THE BEACH, WHERE WE CAN TAKE OUR KIDS THAT ARE CLEAN AND MAINTAINED AND FREE OF INSECTS TO WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY, LIKE, GET DIRTY AND EXPOSED TO NATURAL ELEMENTS. BUT BUT AGAIN, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT KEEPS THE PLAYGROUND SAFE OR LONGER, THEN THAT'S UNDERSTANDABLE. OKAY. BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THERE WILL BE LESS NATURE IN THIS, BUT JUST BY CODE, RIGHT? RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT IT'S SOUNDING LIKE. IT'S CODE, NOT A PREFERENCE. SO IF THAT'S WHAT IT IS, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. YEAH. AND AND AND THEN MY OTHER QUESTION IS WHEN LET'S SEE CLOSE TO WHAT EXISTS TODAY ON ITEMS THAT ARE CONTINUALLY BROKEN, I GUESS THAT'S THE HALLMARK OF A GOOD PLAYGROUND IS IF IT GETS USED AND STUFF GETS BROKEN. IS IT TYPICAL IN OUR RFP PROCESS TO, TO SAY, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE SERVICE STANDARDS WITH, YOU KNOW, ONE, I WOULD ASSUME A WARRANTY WOULD BE IN THERE, BUT THEN ALSO THAT YOUR SERVICE STANDARD ONGOING IS YOU'RE GOING TO RESPOND TO BROKEN MATERIAL IN X DATE, AND YOU'LL HAVE REPAIRS BY Y DATE. SO IT'S NOT CLOSED FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME. OR IS THAT SOMETHING THAT IS UNREASONABLE? I THINK YOU CAN PUT IT IN THERE, BUT YOU HAVE TO ALWAYS KEEP IN MIND EVEN IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU HAVE. AGAIN, THIS IS NOT I CAN ONLY SPEAK ON BEHALF OF WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE WE DON'T HAVE THAT WITH CAMBIAS PLAYGROUND RIGHT NOW. WE CAN'T CONTACT. YOU'VE HEARD COUNCILMAN CRAMER STATED TO GET THAT MATERIAL, WHAT WE HAVE TO DO IS, IS FIND A WAY TO FABRICATE SOMETHING TO FIX IT. THE DIFFERENCE IS THE OTHER COMPANIES THEY HAVE WAYS TO SHIP THAT. AND SO YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR A SHIP DATE. AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A LARGE PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, IT TAKES TIME. AND UNFORTUNATELY, YOU'VE HEARD IT MULTIPLE TIMES. THE PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT, THE ONES THAT ARE HEAVILY USED, LIKE CAMBIER PARK AND FLEISHMAN PARK, THEY HAVE THE MOST DAMAGE BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO, IN FLESH AND PARKS PROBABLY HAD IT MORE SO OVER THE LAST YEAR OF VANDALISM AND PEOPLE BREAKING IT AND RIPPING IT APART ON PURPOSE. AND WE HAVE TO GO BACK OUT THERE. YOU KNOW, WEAR AND TEAR IS ONE THING, BUT WHEN SOMEBODY RIPPED AN ENTIRE PIECE OUT, IT DOESN'T. YOU CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT REALLY PUTTING SOME FORCE INTO IT. SO HAVING TO GET THAT STUFF IS GOOD, BUT IT'S ALSO UNDER WARRANTY. SO THAT STUFF DOESN'T COST US. AND THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WHATEVER WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT, THAT COMPANY IS ABLE TO HONOR THAT. BUT ALSO EXACTLY WHAT SHE'S SAYING. DO IT IN A TIMELY FASHION. WE DON'T WANT IT WHEN SOMETHING BREAKS. I DON'T WANT TO WAIT SIX MONTHS FOR THIS. YOU NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER PARTS YOU PUT OR WHATEVER DESIGN YOU PUT, THAT THAT DESIGN IS READILY AVAILABLE FOR ANY FIXES, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE CAN INCORPORATE IN THERE TO MAKE SURE THEY DON'T PUT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE CUSTOM. THERE'S GOING TO BE A CERTAIN CUSTOM DESIGN TO THIS. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A COOKIE CUTTER. THERE'S NO INTEREST IN US HAVING A COOKIE CUTTER PLAYGROUND IN THAT PARK. AND SO WITH THAT STILL COMES A LITTLE BIT OF A LEVEL OF DELAY WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT FIXING THINGS, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT TO YOU MIGHT HAVE TO REMAKE THOSE PARTS. OKAY. AND THEN JUST TWO MORE QUICK QUESTIONS. ONE IS DO WE HAVE BECAUSE OF THE VANDALISM AND JUST FOR CHILD SAFETY I UNDERSTAND WE'RE GOING TO WE HAVE A FENCE, BUT DO WE HAVE CAMERAS AS WELL? WE DO. OKAY. AND AND THEY ARE NIGHT CAMERAS. [02:20:04] SO THEY COULD CATCH VANDALS AT NIGHT IF THEY DID SOME SHENANIGANS. IT'S SOMETHING WE COULD LOOK INTO. OKAY, WE'LL LET THE CITY MANAGER. AND THEN THE LAST QUESTION IS THE THE I SAW IN ON HERE THAT ON THE OUTPUT OF THIS THAT IT SEEMED TO MEET THE CRITERIA OF WHAT THE SURVEYORS WANTED, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ON THEIR SEATS. AND THAT SEEMED TO BE IMPORTANT TO A LOT OF OF MOMS THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF SEATING IN THE SHADE FOR MOTHERS TO WATCH THEIR KIDS AND TO GATHER AND TALK. YEAH. LUCKILY, IF YOU REMEMBER, WE HAD A DONATION FROM THE ROTARY CLUB WITH BENCHES, AND WE HAVE THOSE BENCHES WAITING TO INSTALL AND THE SHELTERS THAT ARE THERE. NOW, WE DO NOT WANT TO REMOVE THOSE SHELTERS BECAUSE THOSE ARE HEAVILY USED BY THE PARENTS TO SEEK SHADE AS WELL AS INCORPORATING SHADE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE DESIGN. THAT'S GOING TO BE IMPORTANT AS WELL. FOR WHOEVER THE DESIGNER IS. THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INCORPORATE SHADE IN. SO THAT'S I THINK WE'VE GOT THAT FOR SURE. THAT SHOULD HAVE A LOT OF SEATING WHEN IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. MR. YOUNG, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? I YOU WANT TO JUST MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS AS FAR AS THE RFP PROCESS. EITHER WAY, WE WOULD GO THROUGH A QUALIFICATION PROCESS IN THE SCOPE. SINCE I SPOKE TO ELLEN ON MONDAY BOTH CHAD AND I HAVE HAVE RESEARCHED THE COMPANY AND EVEN REACHED OUT AND ENCOURAGED THEM TO BE A PARTICIPANT TO PUT IN A WHEN THE RFP COMES OUT TO YOU KNOW, MAKE A PROPOSAL ON IT, I THINK THAT'S ESSENTIAL. THE OTHER PART IS, IS WE WE DISCUSS WHAT WE CALL ADDED VALUE. WE WANT THEM TO BE CREATIVE AS AS THEY KNOW THE TYPES OF PLAYGROUNDS THAT THEY DO. BUT WE ALSO WANT TO HAVE AN ADDED VALUE, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE GRADING THEM ON THEIR REPLACEMENTS AND HOW THEY WARRANTY, INCLUDING THE EASE TO WHICH WE CAN CUSTOMIZE. WHEN YOU GIVE US YOUR INITIAL DESIGN, HOW EASY CAN WE TRANSITION? WE WANT THAT PIECE, BUT WE DON'T WANT THAT, SO ALL OF THIS CAN BE INCORPORATED INTO THAT RFP. AND I DID WANT TO ANSWER ONE OTHER QUESTION, MA'AM. WE DO HAVE A PERFORMANCE. WE DO IT ON OUR FLEET VEHICLES TO SAY WE WANT THEM BACK IN 48 HOURS ON VEHICLES, BECAUSE IT'S. YOU HAVE A GARAGE, YOU'RE IN SERVICE. SOME OF THESE MOST OF THESE COMPANIES ARE GOING TO BE LONG DISTANCE. SO YOU HAVE TO GRADE THAT ON A SLIDING SCALE AND WHAT THEIR CUSTOMIZATION OF THEIR PARTS. BUT IT IS IT WILL BE A COMPONENT OF OUR EVALUATION FOR SURE. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THOSE THINGS OUT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER, OUR COUNCIL MEMBER, PENMAN, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, BUT FOR SORT OF THE SENIOR MEMBER ON THIS DAIS, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK IS TERRIBLY IMPORTANT, AND I'M SO DELIGHTED THAT THERE IS ENTHUSIASM FOR AN IMAGINARY PLAYGROUND BECAUSE I SEE TOO MANY CHILDREN WITH. THESE THINGS IN THEIR HAND. SO TO ME, THIS THIS IS A ABSOLUTELY SO FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR I THINK FOR THIS COMMUNITY TO PROVIDE THAT KIND OF RELIEF AND THE IMPORTANCE OF AND I LOVE THE FACT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CREATIVITY AND ENCOURAGING CREATIVITY AMONG CHILDREN. THIS IS A VERY HEALTHY THING THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. AND I THINK THE COMPANY THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CLEARLY HAS DONE SOME GREAT WORK. AND I LOVE THE IDEA OF A FRIENDS GROUP THAT ALLOWS GRANDPARENTS TO THROW A COUPLE OF DOLLARS AT THIS AND THINK, YOU KNOW, LOOK WHAT I'VE YOU KNOW, WHAT I'VE PROVIDED FOR MY FOR MY GRANDKIDS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T PLACE A VALUE ON IT. YOU CANNOT PLACE A VALUE ON WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE. SO I, I'M VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF GETTING THIS GOING. AND I'M THRILLED THAT WE'RE STILL BUILDING PLAYGROUNDS FOR CHILDREN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I HAVE VICE MAYOR. YEAH. THESE ARE COMMENTS I'VE MADE FOR THE PAST FEW YEARS. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET THEM IN THE RIGHT PLACE. FOR REFERENCE LATER. THE I NO DOUBT IT WAS A GOOD DECISION TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN FROM THE HARM THAT WAS LIKELY TO HAPPEN. AND, OF COURSE, MY GRANDDAUGHTER. I JUST WATCHED HER GROW UP HERE AT THIS PARK, SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH IT. BEEN IN EVERY LITTLE NOOK AND CRANNY IN CAMBIER PARK. SO I CONCUR WITH SOME OF THE STATEMENTS MADE BY THOSE SPEAKING TODAY. THE DESIGN EVEN THOUGH WHEN WE SAID SENSORY ELEMENTS IN OUR MIND, WE THOUGHT ABOUT LITTLE, LITTLE THINGS. BUT CONSIDER BEST PRACTICES ON SENSORY, LIKE A TALKING TUBE WHERE PEOPLE CAN SAY SOMETHING AND A KID IS [02:25:04] ACROSS THE PARK AND THEY CAN HEAR IT, AND THEY CAN PLAY THAT WAY. IN SPACES FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF PLAY. THERE'S THERE'S PLAY WHERE KIDS ARE CHASING EACH OTHER, BUT THERE NEEDS TO BE LITTLE SPACES WHERE THEY CAN KIND OF COOL DOWN FOR A LITTLE BIT AND STILL PLAY, STILL BE CREATIVE AND HAVE AN IMAGINATION. I WANTED TO CONFIRM FOR THE PUBLIC THIS IS COMING FROM CONSTITUENTS. THE CITY STILL EXPECTS IT'S A STATEMENT AND YOU TELL ME IF YOU DISAGREE. THE CITY STILL EXPECTS AND ANTICIPATES CHILDREN WILL ENJOY THAT SHADED AND SHADED AREAS CLOSE TO THE ORIGINAL PLAYGROUND. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. AND THE CITY STILL EXPECTS THE PARK SIDEWALKS WILL BE UTILIZED BY THE PUBLIC, INCLUDING CHILDREN, FOR ALL TYPES OF PLAY, SUCH AS ROLLERBLADING, ETC., CLOSE TO THE ORIGINAL PARK. CORRECT. OKAY. AND THE THE ONE OF THE AMENITIES. THERE'S SEVERAL AMENITIES RIGHT THERE, CLOSE TO THERE. THERE'S A WATER FOUNTAIN, AND THEN THERE'S THAT LITTLE BOOK TRADING. YEAH. WILL THOSE BE TAKEN DOWN TEMPORARILY? YEAH, WE'LL WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE IT. WHEN THEY DO CONSTRUCTION. WE'LL TRY TO PROTECT EVERYTHING, YOU KNOW. ONE THING, ACTUALLY TALKING WITH ELLEN YESTERDAY, THAT GUMBO LIMBO TREE IS THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO ME RIGHT NOW. AND TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S PROTECTED AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE A CERTAIN ELEMENT WHEN WHOEVER DESIGNS OR WHATEVER COMPANY DOES THIS, THAT THEY HAVE TO TAKE EXTRA PRECAUTIONS TO, TO PROTECT THAT AS WELL. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT SOME OF THOSE ASPECTS ARE DONE, WHICH INCLUDES THE TELL US WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THE NAMING BRICKS AND BOARDS. THANK YOU FOR ASKING THAT QUESTION. YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THOSE BRICKS UP, AND WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THOSE TO ALLOW ANYONE WHO'S INTERESTED. AND WHAT WE'LL DO IS ON THE WEBSITE ONCE WE GET SOMETHING GOING WITH THE QR CODE, WHEN THEY SCAN THERE, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO CONTACT OR SEE THE CONTACT INFORMATION WHERE THEY CAN REACH OUT TO US. DAVE DAVID FREILICH HAS ALREADY ASKED ME MULTIPLE TIMES ABOUT HIS TICKET THAT'S ON THERE. SO WE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WE GET ALL OF THOSE. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE TRASHED. MORE THAN LIKELY, IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE PULL UP OURSELVES AND KEEP IT. THAT'S GOOD. THAT WASN'T IN THE PACKET, BUT BUT THERE IS SOME CONCERN ON THAT. AND THEN THE LIGHTING, THE LIGHTING THAT IS AROUND THE PARK NOW WHEN WE DEMOLISH YOU CAN CONFIRM THAT WE'RE NOT GOING TO LOSE LIGHTING IN THE AREA. CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN FINALLY, THE ASK I SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME IN TULSA, AND TULSA HAS AN AMAZING PARK THAT'S FAIRLY NEW. ALL THE DIFFERENT ELEMENTS AND CONCEPTS. JUST PLEASE LOOK AT THE PARK CALLED THE GATHERING PLACE AND IT'S REALLY AMAZING. APPRECIATE IT. THAT'S ALL. OKAY. THANK YOU, I HAVE CRISPIN. AND THEN BARTON. THANK YOU. A COUPLE OF COMMENTS, AND THEN I HAVE A SUGGESTION TO MAKE. FIRST OF ALL JUST WANT TO SAY EILEEN AND I RAISED THREE KIDS. WE HAVE ONE GRANDCHILD, AND I CAN'T EVEN BEGIN TO IMAGINE HOW MUCH TIME I PERSONALLY SPENT PUSHING SWINGS AND CATCHING KIDS OFF OF SLIDES AND CLIMBING AFTER KIDS ON MONKEY BARS IN MY LIFE. AND SO I WANTED TO PUT A SHOUT OUT FOR THE DADS IN THE WORLD. AND ALSO ESTABLISH SOME STREET CRED FOR MYSELF IN WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY. BUT THE FACT IS THAT CAMBIER PARK IS WELL, FIRST, FIRST OF ALL, I'VE HAD SOME EXPERIENCE. I WORKED FOR AN ORGANIZATION CALLED THE TRUST FOR PUBLIC LAND FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, AND ONE OF THE THINGS IT DID WAS BUILD PARKS AND PLAYGROUNDS AND FITNESS ZONES IN CITIES AROUND THE COUNTRY. AND SO I IF I DIDN'T KNOW IT ALREADY, JUST THROUGH MY PERSONAL LIFE AND OTHER WORK I SAW FIRSTHAND HOW INVESTED PEOPLE GET IN PARKS, IN CITIES, EVERYWHERE. SO AND WE REALLY SEE IT HERE WITH CAMBIER. IT'S EXHIBIT A HOW PASSIONATE PEOPLE FEEL, BUT IT'S COMMON EVERYWHERE. AND AND THEREFORE WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE REBUILDING A PARK OR BUILDING A NEW PARK, HAVING THE PUBLIC, THE PROPER PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS IS EXTRAORDINARILY IMPORTANT. AND WE ALL KNOW THIS, BUT I'M JUST SAYING IT FOR EMPHASIS AND AND THAT AS I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO THIS CONVERSATION AND KNOWING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO I'M [02:30:03] HEARING WE'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH A NORMAL PUBLIC PROCUREMENT PROCESS. WE HAVE TO GET THE BEST PROPOSALS WE CAN FROM ALL GROUPS, ALL COMPANIES AND ORGANIZATIONS THAT WISH TO SUBMIT THEM AND AND MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THE RIGHT CRITERIA. AND WE'VE HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THOSE CRITERIA OUGHT TO BE. IN THE END, A DECISION WILL HAVE TO BE MADE. AND MY SUGGESTION IS WE THINK ABOUT MODIFYING A LITTLE BIT OUR NORMAL PROCESS FOR MAKING THAT DECISION, WHICH REALLY INVOLVES A COMMITTEE OF STAFF THAT SITS DOWN AND REVIEWS THE APPLICATIONS AND MAKES A RECOMMENDATION AND TAKES IT TO PERHAPS AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND I'LL COME BACK TO THAT, TO THAT IN A SECOND. BUT ULTIMATELY, THE COUNCIL FOR A DECISION AND AND THE MODIFICATION I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IS, FIRST OF ALL, WE OUGHT TO USE CSAB IN THIS PROCESS. MAKE SURE WE USE THEM. I MEAN, IT'S ONE OF THE LOWER PROFILE ADVISORY COMMITTEES WE HAVE. I'VE OFTEN FELT AND SAID THAT THEY'RE UNDERUTILIZED. WELL, HERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO REALLY USE THEM AND ENGAGE THEM IN THE PROCESS IN A MEANINGFUL WAY. AND SECONDLY, RATHER THAN HAVE A RECOMMENDATION EVENTUALLY COME TO COUNCIL FOR A PARTICULAR CHOICE, PERHAPS WE OUGHT TO HAVE A PROCESS THAT, THROUGH THE CSAB AND COUNCIL, INVOLVES SEVERAL FINALISTS WHERE WE WOULD HAVE 2 OR 3 FINALISTS CHOSEN BY OUR OUR STAFF THROUGH THE NORMAL KIND OF PROCUREMENT PROCESS. BUT BRING US A COUPLE OF OPTIONS THAT WE COULD TALK ABOUT AND WHERE WE COULD HAVE HERE IN COUNCIL AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT AGAIN IN THE PROCESS. AND HERE, YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN FROM THE FROM MOMS AND DADS AND THE COMMUNITY IN GENERAL, WHAT THEY THINK MAKES THE MOST SENSE. AND THAT COULD INFORM THE FINAL DECISION THAT WE WOULD MAKE. SO IT'S JUST A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT WAY IT I REALIZE IT MAY TAKE A LITTLE MORE TIME AND IT MAY YOU KNOW, MEAN A LITTLE BIT MORE WORK FOR US AND OTHERS. BUT I THINK THIS IS A, THIS IS A, A UNIQUE KIND OF AN IMPORTANT AND SYMBOLIC DECISION WE'RE GOING TO BE MAKING, NOT JUST SYMBOLIC, BUT MAYBE ICONIC IN TERMS OF THIS CAMBIER PARK PLAYGROUND. IT, IT IT RISES ABOVE A LOT OF OTHER DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE THROUGH THE PROCUREMENT PROCESS INVOLVING INFRASTRUCTURE AND OTHER THINGS. OBVIOUSLY ALL VERY IMPORTANT, BUT THIS TOUCHES PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY IN A DIFFERENT WAY. SO WHETHER IT'S WHAT I JUST SUGGESTED OR SOME VARIATION ON THAT, I JUST THINK HAVING A WAY TO INVOLVE BOTH CSAB AS OUR ADVISORY ARM ON THIS AND US IN IN A WAY WHERE WE CAN NOT JUST REVIEW A FINAL SINGLE RECOMMENDATION FROM STAFF, BUT LOOK AT A COUPLE OPTIONS AND MAKE A DECISION FROM THAT MAY END UP GETTING US TO A BETTER FINAL DECISION. COUNCIL MEMBER CHRISMAN I'LL JUST GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. MAYOR. THE PROCESS YOU DESCRIBED IS WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING ANYWAY. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. MR. YOUNG JUST CLARIFICATION ON WHAT YOU WOULD THE ONE POINT ON KSHB. SO LET'S JUST SAY WE CREATED IT. REQUEST FOR RFP, RFQ, WHICHEVER AND NEGOTIATE PRICE LATER. HOWEVER WE DECIDE TO DO THAT. BUT FROM THE KSHB STANDPOINT, INSTEAD OF GETTING IT DOWN LIKE THERE'S TIMES WHERE WE SEND HERE'S HERE'S WHO WAS SELECTED AND HERE'S THE FINAL THREE, RIGHT? OR THE ORDER TO WHICH THEY WERE SELECTED. WHAT WE WOULD BE PROPOSING IS WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THE FINAL 3 OR 4, WHATEVER THAT NUMBER IS, AND THEY WOULD MAKE THEIR OWN PRESENTATION BEFORE THE ONLY QUESTION. AND THE REASON I WENT THROUGH ALL THAT IS TO ASK A SIMPLE QUESTION IS CSA B THEN MAKING THEIR RECOMMENDATION OF THOSE 3 OR 4, ARE THEY HELPING TO DWINDLE TO THE 3 OR 4? SO I WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THAT. LET ME GIVE YOU MY MY RECOMMENDATION. BUT AGAIN, I'M JUST ONE VOICE HERE. BUT I COULD ALMOST SEE US HAVING A I MEAN, TO ASK THE FINALISTS TO GO THROUGH TWO ROUNDS OF PRESENTATION SEEMS A BIT MUCH. MAYBE YOU HAVE EVEN A JOINT MEETING OF THE CSA AND COUNCIL WHERE THIS WOULD BE PRESENTED, AND WE COULD GET THE CSA INPUT. ULTIMATELY, IN THE END, IT'S A DECISION OF COUNCIL, BUT BUT YOU KNOW, [02:35:07] I HAVEN'T REALLY THOUGHT THROUGH EXACTLY HOW IT WOULD BE DONE, BUT I GUESS DOING SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, BE REASONABLY EFFICIENT FROM ALL STANDPOINTS. BUT WE WANT THE INPUT OF THE CSA. BUT I GUESS WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS, IN THE END, COUNCIL WHETHER IT'S A SEPARATE MEETING OR THE SAME MEETING, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONSIDER SOME CHOICES. YEAH, I GET THE POINT. THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO GET THAT CLARITY BECAUSE THAT MAKES THE PROCESS MORE CLEAR. THANK YOU. IT MAY TAKE TIME, BUT WE REALLY. TIME IS NOT ON OUR SIDE RIGHT NOW. WE'RE SO FAR BEHIND, I THINK, TO INVITE MEMBERS TO COME TO A REGULAR MEETING. WHEN IT'S PRESENTED, THEY CAN SHARE THEIR OPINIONS. AND IN TIMELINE. I WOULD PREFER SOMETHING ALONG THAT WAY. IT'S A VERY GOOD SUGGESTION, THOUGH. WE DON'T WANT TO ELIMINATE THEM. AND THE PUBLIC WOULD ALSO BE HERE. SO THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER CHRISTMAN. PARDON? THANK YOU. THE JUST A FEW THOUGHTS AND I'LL MAKE THEM REAL QUICK HERE BECAUSE IT'S I DON'T WANT TO BE REDUNDANT AT ALL. BUT I DID GET A LOT OF FEEDBACK. WHEN THE ARTICLE HIT THE PAPER AND THE SIGNS WENT UP THAT THE PARK WAS CLOSED, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN, WE'RE BUILDING LUXURY CONDOS AND PUTTING IN PICKLEBALL COURTS. YOU KNOW, AND I WOULD SUGGEST THIS IS JUST A VERY, VERY BASIC SUGGESTION FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC THAT WHEN YOU SEE AN ARTICLE IN THE PAPER, DON'T SIMPLY READ THE HEADLINE, ACTUALLY READ THE ARTICLE. THAT MIGHT HELP WITH SOME OF THE CONFUSION. AND THE REALITY IS WE NEEDED TO SHUT THIS THING DOWN. WE WERE, WHAT, OVER TEN YEARS OVER ITS LIFE EXPECTANCY? USEFUL LIFE. I MEAN, IT WAS IT WAS. AND WE'D GOTTEN THAT FAR BECAUSE OF ALL THE EFFORTS OF OUR STAFF TO MAKE THE TO EXTEND THE LIFE OF THIS PART, BECAUSE WE KNEW IT WAS IT WAS SO BELOVED. AND ALONG THOSE NOTES, YOU KNOW, MY MY CHILDREN ARE 27 AND 25, AND I BELIEVE IT WAS BUILT 20 YEARS AGO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO I SPENT A LOT OF QUALITY TIME THERE AS WELL. ABSOLUTELY. LOVE IT. AND, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT I EXPRESS THAT THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US UP HERE. WE KNOW HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO THE COMMUNITY. WE ARE NOT TAKING IT LIGHTLY. WE ARE NOT PHONING IT IN. WE ARE. WE'RE WE'RE WE'RE TAKING THIS PROCESS VERY SERIOUSLY, AND WE ARE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE UTILIZE THE EXPERTISE OF OUR STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE PUTTING A PLAYGROUND IN THAT'S COMMENSURATE OF, OF OUR COMMUNITY AND IT REPRESENTS OUR COMMUNITY PROPERLY. AND WHILE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A REPLICA OF WHAT WE'VE GOT THERE AND THAT EVERYBODY LOVES SO MUCH, IT'S GOING TO BE A NEW PLAYGROUND TO LOVE, THOUGH AND I WOULD SIMPLY SUGGEST THAT WE, WE FROM A STANDPOINT OF IT BEING YOU KNOW, CLOSED NOW FOR SAFETY PURPOSES AGAIN, THAT WAS NECESSARY. I KNOW PEOPLE SAY, OH, WELL, I WAS ON IT A WEEK AGO. SEEMED FINE. WELL, IT'S NOT FINE. WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN. AND WE UP HERE ON THIS DAIS ALSO NEED TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY. WE LIVE IN A VERY LITIGIOUS SOCIETY. AND IF WE LET A BUNCH OF KIDS PLAY ON SOMETHING WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO GET INJURED WE ARE GOING TO GET SUED, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO BE SPENDING OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS DEFENDING OURSELVES AND OUR COMMUNITY IN COURT FOR NOT SHUTTING DOWN A PLAYGROUND THAT THAT THEY WILL MAKE SURE WE ARE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT IT WAS OVER TEN YEARS BEYOND ITS LIFE EXPECTANCY. SO AGAIN, IT WAS NECESSARY TO DO SO. BUT CHAD, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS OBVIOUSLY GET GET IT REMOVED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE AND ALSO MAKE THAT SPACE USABLE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, EVEN IF IT'S SIMPLY, YOU KNOW, LIKE LAYING DOWN SOD OR MULCH, WHICH THE MAYOR PROBABLY DOESN'T WANT MULCH, BUT SOMETHING ELSE. BUT SO THE KIDS CAN AT LEAST RUN AROUND OUT THERE, AND THERE'S AN OPEN SPACE THAT CAN BE USED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. AND WE GET THE, THE, THE DANGEROUS, THE HAZARDOUS ASPECT OF IT OUT OF THE WAY AND GET THAT SPACE USABLE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. AND AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO EMPHASIZE IT'S THE WHILE I CERTAINLY KNOW THAT BASED ON OUR DISCUSSIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE BY DESIGN AS A PART OF THE RFP PROCESS, WE'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY. I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE FACT THAT IT'S THE PLAYGROUND THAT WE LOVE AND THAT WE'RE IN LOVE WITH. IT'S NOT THE INSTALLATION COMPANY, BUT BUT IF PLAY BY DESIGN CAN COME TO THE TABLE AND THEY ARE THE THEY'RE THE RIGHT CHOICE. WE WILL WE WILL ALLOW THEM TO TO TACKLE IT AND MOVE FORWARD. AGAIN, THOUGH, I WILL EMPHASIZE THAT THAT WE ALL NEED TO RELY ON THE EXPERTS THAT WE HAVE ON STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE CHOOSING THE RIGHT COMPANY. NOT SIMPLY BECAUSE IT WAS THE COMPANY THAT INSTALLED IT PREVIOUSLY, BUT THE RIGHT COMPANY IS GOING TO PUT IN A PRODUCT THAT WE DESERVE, AND ALSO A PRODUCT THAT CAN BE SERVICED PROPERLY SO THAT IT DOESN'T CREATE HEADACHES DOWN THE LINE. THANK YOU. [02:40:02] THANK YOU. JUST TO RECAP SIZE AND THE FOOTPRINT. IF IT HAS TO EXPAND, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO LOOK AT. SO IT TIES INTO THIS FITNESS ZONE. I DON'T I MEAN, THE FITNESS ZONE WAS NEVER PART OF THE PLAYGROUND. I UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS IMPORTANT. I'M NOT SURE WHO IT'S IMPORTANT TO BECAUSE IS IT IMPORTANT TO THE COMPANIES THAT ARE DOING FITNESS TRAINING IN OUR PARKS OR AT THE BEACHES. BUT YOU DON'T NEED TO JUST. I JUST CONSIDER THAT. AND I WOULD TAKE THE PARK FIRST, WHICH WAS THERE. I'M NOT AGAINST THE FITNESS ZONE, BUT MAKE SURE THE PARK FOOTPRINT CAN FIT WITHIN IT. I THINK THAT CHEEKY HUTS ARE VERY NATIVE TO US AND IF WE CAN ADD CHEEKY HUTS, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. YES, I, I'M NOT FOND OF MULCH, BUT THERE ARE OTHERS THAT ARE BETTER AT THAT TYPE, SUCH AS ALAN THE WARRANTY AND REPAIRS. WE'VE DISCUSSED IT. LOVE THE IDEA OF FRIENDS OF THE GROUP. THE FENCE AND BRICKS. I THINK WE CAN DO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE CREATIVE WITH THAT. BUT LET'S WORK ON SOMETHING WITH THAT. THE TIMELINE IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. IF WE CAN'T GET THIS RFP, RFQ, YOU OUT IMMEDIATELY? I JUST THINK WE NEED TO TO REALLY MAKE THIS A PRIORITY. OUR COMMUNITY IS VERY DISAPPOINTED THAT THIS IS HAPPENING, BUT WE'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS OTHER THINGS. ANY QUESTIONS? MR.. NO. I THINK THE EMPHASIS, YOU KNOW, JUST A GENERAL STATEMENT IS, IS EVEN THE EXERCISE AND THE OTHER WE HAVE A BUDGET ALLOCATION FOR THIS. I THINK THE FRIENDS IS A GREAT IDEA. EITHER WAY, WE ARE MOVING FORWARD. WE'RE GOING TO DO IT DILIGENTLY. IF THERE COMES UP, YOU KNOW, WITH WITH CONTRIBUTIONS, WE WOULD TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL. I GUESS I JUST WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT THERE'S NOT IT'S AS IMPORTANT AS EVERY EVERY OTHER PROJECT. AND THE TIMELINE OF MARCH IS SIMPLY BECAUSE WHEN YOU PUT AN RFQ OUT PLUS THE SCORING, IT HAS TO BE OUT FOR 45 DAYS. SO THE CALENDAR DICTATES A LOT OF IT. BUT, BUT, BUT BY US COMING TO YOU BY MARCH SAYS WITHIN THE NEXT 40, 40 DAYS, WE'RE PUTTING IT OUT TO BID. WE'RE GETTING IT BACK. WE'RE SCORING IT. WE'RE BRINGING IT TO YOU. AND IT WOULD EITHER BE THE FIRST OR SECOND MEETING AFTER THE NEW COUNCIL SEATED. SO WE'RE GOING TO DO IT AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS WE CAN. WE PROMISE YOU THAT. OKAY. AND I MAYBE DIDN'T EXPLAIN MYSELF CLEARLY, BUT AFTER TALKING TO MR. YOUNG AND YOU KNOW, WE ARE GOING TO HAVE AN ART COMMITTEE FOR CERTAIN PROJECT THAT ADDS MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. ALSO, WE'VE DONE IT FOR THE COMP PLAN. IS THERE ANYONE OPPOSED TO HAVING SOMEONE FROM THE COMMUNITY BE PART OF THAT? LOOKING AT THE RFQ AND ALSO BEING A PART OF THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE? YEAH, YEAH, I'M OPPOSED TO THAT. OUR STAFF DOES RFQS. WE DON'T NEED ANYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY. BUT WE HAVE THIS AND TWO OTHER AREAS, THE COMP PLAN, AND WE ARE DOING IT WITH POSSIBLY WITH THE ART PROGRAM. I DON'T THINK IT'S IT'S INSULT TO THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY ARE LOOKING AT RFQS FOR THE COMP PLAN. YOU JUST SAID NO FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT SPECIFICALLY. SO THE QUESTION WAS, HAVE WE EVER HAD SOMEBODY OUTSIDE OF OUR OF OUR CITY, MEANING STAFF, DO AN EVALUATION? AND THERE'S TWO THAT WE KNOW OF. ONE, WE REACHED THE AGREEMENT ON THE INTERLOCAL. OR NOT INTERLOCAL, BUT WITH GULFSHORE PLAYHOUSE, WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE TWO REPRESENTATIVES IN THERE SITTING ON THE EVALUATION PANEL. YOU ALSO HAVE A MEMBER OF THE PAB THAT YOU APPOINT THAT WAS APPOINTED TO SIT ON THE RFP THERE. SO FROM MY STANDPOINT, IT WASN'T UNHEARD OF. IT'S UP TO COUNCIL AS TO WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT TO DO THAT. I JUST WAS THAT WAS A SPECIFIC ANSWER TO THE QUESTION. AND IT'S HAPPENED. IT'LL HAVE HAPPENED TWICE IN THE LAST YEAR. AND I WAS AND THAT WAS WHAT I WAS ARTICULATING, SIR. AND HE WAS ADDRESSING MY CONCERN ABOUT REACHING OUT TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY WHO HAVE THE EXPERTISE TO BE ABLE TO GIVE SOME GUIDANCE. SO. ARE YOU OPPOSED TO THAT? WE HAVE A CSB, BUT THEY DON'T REVIEW THE SELECTION COMMITTEE. BUT BUT DOES THAT FALL UNDER THEIR EGIS GENERALLY? THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE IS A STAFF. IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT A BIG DEAL. [02:45:01] IT'S REALLY JUST MAKING SURE THAT MEMBERS, ONE MEMBER OR TWO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY COULD BE A PART OF THIS. I'M GOING TO LOOK TO MR. YOUNG. RIGHT. THE ONLY THING I CAN SAY, MAYOR, IS IF THERE FROM FROM THE CSB PERSPECTIVE AND FROM COUNCIL, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO THE ROUTE WHERE WE'RE NOT MAKING ONE RECOMMENDATION, IT ACTUALLY OPENS IT UP FOR MORE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. AND SO I WOULD SAY THAT YOU'RE AT LEAST GOING TO HAVE A BETTER OPPORTUNITY FROM INSTEAD OF GETTING THE ONE THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING IF WE DECIDE IT WAS 3 OR 4, WHATEVER COUNCIL WANTED, DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT YOU WANTED TO HAVE, YOU WOULD STILL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MORE INPUT. I'M NOT TRYING TO SWAY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, BUT GIVEN THE DYNAMICS OF WHAT WE SAID, HOW WE'RE GOING TO APPROACH IT, YOU'LL AUTOMATICALLY HAVE SOME BEFORE YOU DWINDLE IT TO ONE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I SAID THAT AS WELL. I SPECIFICALLY SAID IT BECAUSE I DID NOT HAVE THIS CONVERSATION WITH MISS GOETZ, THAT SHE WOULD BE THE PERSON WHO I SHE HAS THIS ARCHITECTURAL, SHE HAS GREEN, SHE HAS THE EXPERTISE, SHE'S A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY. SHE ALSO REMINDS US THAT OUR HER THE PUBLIC INPUT IS IMPORTANT. AND IT JUST GIVES ME JUST PARTICIPATION FROM A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY. I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF SHE'LL AGREE TO IT, SO. I'M FINE WITH IT. OKAY? I'M FINE WITH IT, TOO. I'M THE MORE PUBLIC INPUT, THE BETTER IN GENERAL. LET ME FINISH. MAYOR, PLEASE. JUST ONE MORE THOUGHT OR QUESTION. MY UNDERSTANDING FROM THESE OTHER INSTANCES WE'VE DONE, WE'VE HAD WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN NON CITY PEOPLE ON THE REVIEW COMMITTEE IS THAT THEY ARE NON-VOTING MEMBERS. I REMEMBER. THE ONE WE HAVE ON THE GULF SHORE IS VOTING WELL. WELL AGAIN YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST THAT'S JUST ANOTHER QUESTION. ARE THEY THERE TO OFFER THEIR INPUT OR ARE THEY ARE THEY OR DO THEY CAST A VOTE BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO END UP WITH VOTES, YOU KNOW, AND THERE'S A PUBLIC PROCUREMENT PROCESS WE HAVE TO FOLLOW. AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S I THINK THERE ARE STATE LAWS AND RULES AND SO ON. WE HAVE TO FOLLOW. JUST A QUESTION TO PURSUE VOTE OR NO VOTE, IT DOESN'T MATTER. BUT THE POINT IS HAVING THE PUBLIC INPUT ON THE COMMITTEE DOESN'T BOTHER ME AT ALL. PUBLIC PARTICIPATION ON THE COMMITTEE. I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE THAT I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD NOT THAT SUBSEQUENT TO THAT INVOLVING CSAB IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME. THERE'S ONE THERE'S ONE ELEMENT, THOUGH, THAT REMEMBERS THAT YOU THE CODE OF SILENCE IS, IS THAT A COMMUNITY MEMBER CANNOT, FROM THE MOMENT THAT THEY RECEIVE THE PACKET, CANNOT HAVE ANY CONVERSATIONS. AND IT'S SO IT MAY LIMIT AN ADVOCATE FOR FOR THE COMMUNITY VIEW. AND THAT TO MR. CHRISTMAN, I THINK THAT WAS THE POINT YOU WERE TRYING TO MAKE. IS ONE IS IT APPROPRIATE? AND TWO, DOES IT CAUSE A PROBLEM? AND I THINK BOTH COULD BE AT ISSUE AND I'LL LEAVE THE REST FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY. OKAY. YEAH. THE ONLY THING, IF I MAY, MAYOR, BECAUSE IT'S COMPLETELY OKAY TO HAVE A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC ON ON THE REVIEW COMMITTEE. BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS COMMITTEE DOES NOT VOTE. THEY EVALUATE BASED ON THE CRITERIA. AND SO IT'S A SCORING USUALLY THAT'S PRESENTED TO COUNCIL. SO I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY, THERE IS NO VOTE THERE JUST EVALUATING THESE PROPOSALS. BUT I WILL SAY THERE'S A LOT OF REGULATIONS THAT YOU HAVE TO ABIDE BY BY BEING A MEMBER. SO I DO THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE AT SOME POINT TO ENSURE THAT THE PERSON YOU WANT TO APPOINT IS OKAY AND UNDERSTANDS THAT SHE CANNOT LEAVE THESE MEETINGS AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A IT'S A VERY LIMITED PROCESS. SO THAT'S ALL. AND MAYOR, JUST SO I CAN CLARIFY MY POSITION, FIRST OF ALL, I THOUGHT YOU SAID ABOUT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND, BUT NOW I GOT IT. BUT I AM COMPLETELY BIASED. SO I'M FINE WITH ELON DOING THIS, I THINK. I HAVEN'T EVEN ASKED HER YET. HERE'S MY POINT. THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT MAY WANT TO GET INVOLVED, THAT THERE'S NO WAY I WANT THEM INVOLVED. AND SO THAT'S MY PROBLEM IN OUR PROCESSES. LIKE I DON'T WANT TO OPEN SOME SOMETHING HERE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE STANDING UP THERE. AND I'M LIKE, WELL, WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION. AND OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I JUST. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. LIKE THAT CAN BECOME AN ISSUE FOR THIS. SO I WOULD JUST SAY ONE PERSON. AND IF THIS IF ELON DECIDES TO TURN IT DOWN FOR ANY REASON OF THE CONE OF SILENCE, OR ONCE SHE UNDERSTANDS IT, THEN WE CAN LEAVE IT AT THAT. PETRANOFF. ARE YOU OPPOSED TO IT? I AM NOT. I WAS HOPING THAT THAT ONE APPOINTEE WOULD BE ABLE TO TALK TO THE, YOU KNOW, UP UPDATE, THE MOTHERS AND THE FATHERS, BUT I GUESS THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE. DON'T WANT TO LEAVE ANY DADS OUT THERE. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR? YEAH. [02:50:01] THE WE'RE KIND OF MAKING SAUSAGE. YES, WE ARE A PURE PROCUREMENT PROCESS, AND I FEEL UNCOMFORTABLE WITH IT. MISS GETZ IS, BY WHAT I CAN TELL, IS SO HIGHLY QUALIFIED AND PROBABLY A GREAT CANDIDATE TO FULFILL THIS KIND OF RESPONSIBILITY. AND THE THINGS I WOULD CAUTION ABOUT ARE THE PUBLIC STATEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE HERE TODAY ABOUT CERTAIN BIDDERS THAT STACKED THE DECK ALREADY. I'M CONCERNED AND NOT ABOUT YOU, MISS KATZ. THE DETAILS AND SO. AND WHETHER IF THE CITY ATTORNEY ADVISES US TO MOVE AHEAD WITH THIS OR IT HAS TO BE PART OF AN AGENDA. AND TO COUNCILMAN KRAMER'S POINT, WE NEED A WHOLE HOST OF PEOPLE TO TO EVALUATE IT. JUST. I'M THINKING OF DELAYS VERSUS GETTING THIS THING MOVING, GOING THROUGH OUR PROCESSES THAT ARE ESTABLISHED AND NOT THE INTENT, NOT THE INTENT. AND QUITE FRANKLY, IF WE HAVE A CONSENSUS, I'LL LET THE CITY MANAGER MAKE THOSE DECISIONS WITH THE ATTORNEY ON WHAT'S BEST MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT. WELL, I MUST SAY NO. I'M OKAY. BUT. SO YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE THAT SAYS NO. I'M. I'M WITH YOU. OKAY. TWO OF YOU. NO, NO, NO TO HAVING A PUBLIC PERSON ON THE ON THE IS THE QUESTION YOU'RE ASKING ME TO DO. YES OR NO ON WHETHER WE WANT A PUBLIC REPRESENTATIVE ON THE COMMITTEE. AND I THINK MR. HUTCHISON, VICE MAYOR HUTCHISON JUST MADE A POINT THAT I HADN'T REALLY THOUGHT OF, WHICH IS WHO? YOU KNOW, I'M A GREAT ADMIRER OF MISS GAETZ AND HER CAPABILITIES. GENERALLY, I'VE WORKED WITH HER ON PROJECTS OVER MANY YEARS, AND, AND AND HER PASSION FOR THIS PLAYGROUND AND LEADERSHIP IS WITHOUT QUESTION, THERE ARE TWO ISSUES. IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A A PUBLIC REPRESENTATIVE ON THIS COMMITTEE. NUMBER ONE, HOW IS THAT PERSON SELECTED? AND NUMBER TWO, WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW. AND NUMBER TWO AS THE VICE MAYOR SAID, MISS GETZ HAS ALREADY EXPRESSED HER ADVOCACY FOR SELECTING ONE POTENTIAL BIDDER. DOES THAT DOES THAT CREATE A CONFLICT TO EVEN BEGIN? TO ME? IT DOESN'T BECAUSE YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE SCORING. BUT JUST JUST REVIEWING THE RFP BEFORE IT GOES OUT AND EVALUATING IT. I THINK IT'S A SIMPLE GESTURE THAT WE'RE MAKING A LOT TO DO ABOUT NOTHING. BUT LET ME, LET ME LET ME SEPARATE THE SUBJECT MATTER. MISS GETZ AND I MET. SHE HAS AN INTEREST IN A HISTORY OF KNOWLEDGE AS TO THE CURRENT ONE AND OTHER ATTRIBUTES AS WE GO THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS CONTINUING TO HAVE OPEN DIALOG AND AN INCLUSION, INCLUSIVE CONVERSATIONS, BUT NOT HAVING A SEAT AT THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE, BECAUSE THEN THAT PUTS IT IN A DIFFERENT CONTEXT GIVEN EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT I THINK SHE I DON'T KNOW EACH OTHER. WE ONLY MET ONCE, BUT TRUST ME TO SAY THAT I WOULD ACT IN GOOD FAITH TO MAKING SURE THAT AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF THE COMMUNITY, SHE, SHE, SHE'S IN ADDITION TO, TO OBVIOUSLY THE CSAB AND OUR STAFF IS TO SAY THAT IT'S REFLECTIVE OF, OF THE OPENNESS OF THAT DIALOG IN TRYING TO GAIN THE FEEDBACK, TO GO THROUGH A SURVEY AND NOT AND THEN DO THE WHOLE RFP WITHOUT GETTING FEEDBACK WOULD BE DERELICTION AS WELL. SO I THINK IF WE JUST DO THAT AND THEN SHE'S NOT A PART OF THE EVALUATION, I THINK IT'S A, IT'S A GOOD IDEA. SO I OFFER THAT AS A COMPROMISE AND GETS US TO THE PLACE WHERE WE CAN GET TO POTENTIALLY A QUALIFIED THREE TO CSAB AND COUNCIL TO MAKE THE FINAL DECISION. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT COMPROMISE. SO THANK YOU. YES, MISS. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD. I'M SO GLAD. THAT WE'RE GOING TO THE RIGHT SPEAKER FOR THIS. SORRY. I JUST THINK I WAS NOT PERHAPS AS CLEAR AS I COULD HAVE BEEN MY FIRST GO AROUND. SO. AND THIS CONVERSATION HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL. THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG. MR. YOUNG AND I SPOKE ABOUT HOW THE CURRENT AS IT'S CURRENTLY WORDED, THE RFP DISQUALIFIES THE MOST QUALIFIED ENTITIES FOR DOING A REBUILD LIKE THIS. SO MR. YOUNG AND I DISCUSSED A FRESH RFP. THAT AND I WOULD CALL IT AN RFQ BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU WANT TO GET QUALIFICATIONS. WHO'S THE BEST SUITED FOR THE CITY ENABLES TO REBUILD THIS ICONIC PLAY SPACE. WHO IS THE BEST SUITED? THIS THING DOES NOT DO THAT. [02:55:02] IT DISQUALIFIES THE FIRMS THAT I HAVE TALKED ABOUT. SO JUST TO GET THAT ON THE TABLE THE THE I THINK IT'S VERY SIMPLE. THERE'S A WAY FORWARD. I ALSO WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT IN AN RFQ PROCESS, YOU SHOULD NOT ASK ENTITIES TO DO A DESIGN FOR YOU. YOU SHOULD ASK THEM, WHAT ARE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS TO BE ENGAGED IN THE PROCESS, TO PRODUCE A DESIGN THAT WE'VE HEARD ALL THE WORDS ABOUT NATURE AND ALL THAT JAZZ. WHAT ARE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS TO HELP THE CITY OF NAPLES THROUGH THE DESIGN PROCESS? MEETING A BUDGET, MEETING THE CODES, MEETING THE PARAMETERS OF THAT SPACE. THAT'S WHAT RFQ SHOULD BE DOING. NOT GETTING PRETTY PICTURES FROM 20 DIFFERENT MANUFACTURERS OF YAHOO STUFF. THAT'S NOT WHAT IT SHOULD BE, IN MY HUMBLE OPINION, AND WE DISCUSSED THAT A LITTLE BIT. SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THAT IS THE ONLY WAY FORWARD FOR US AS A CITY TO GET WHAT WE DESERVE AS A REPLACEMENT FOR THAT ICONIC PLACE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NOW, WE ALL KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN AN RFQ AND RFP. OKAY, WELL, I'LL BE CIRCLING BACK WITH THE PURCHASING DEPARTMENT AND MAKING SURE THAT WHAT THAT PROCESS IS, WHAT THE TIMELINES LOOK LIKE, AND BE SENDING THAT OUT TO YOU SO THAT YOU'RE ALL AWARE OF THAT. OKAY. I'M NOT GOING TO COMMIT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER PRIOR TO THE EXECUTION OF THAT. THAT WAS THE ONLY POINT THAT I WANTED TO MAKE. THANK YOU. PETRANOFF. AND THEN WE NEED TO WRAP IT UP. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO LOOP IN OUR CITY ATTORNEY TO MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE'RE DOING IS NOT GOING TO BREAK A LAW, AND THAT THAT'S ALREADY THAT WE'RE GOING IN UNBIASED ET-CETERA. WAIT, I WOULD NEVER EXCLUDE HIM. OKAY. YEAH. SO WE'RE STILL BECAUSE I'M A LITTLE UNCLEAR MYSELF. ON WHAT? WHEN IT WHEN IT'S BROKEN AND WHEN IT'S NOT. I CAN TAKE MY PERSONAL ONE OFFLINE, BUT I WANT TO JUST MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT BREAKING IT FROM THE GET GO. WE'RE STILL AT SOME POINT GOING TO GET THE DESIGNS RIGHT. WE'RE JUST SAYING WE'RE GOING TO ADD THE STEP OF THE QUALIFICATION BEFORE WE. WHAT I SAID IS I WANT TO GO BACK TO PURCHASING. WE WANT TO WORK ON A TIMELINE FOR BOTH YOUR MICROPHONE. GARY, I HAVEN'T SEEN YOUR MICROPHONE. SORRY. WHAT I SAID IS, IS I'M GOING TO GO BACK TO PURCHASING. WE'RE GOING TO WORK OUR TIMELINE ON BOTH. I'M NOT SAYING ONE VERSUS THE OTHER. YOU CAN HAVE QUALIFICATIONS WHILE THEY'RE SUBMITTING DESIGNS, BUT THERE IS A DEFINITIVE PATH WHEN YOU CHOOSE ONE IN GOVERNMENT PROCUREMENT WITH WHETHER IT'S AN RFP OR AN RFQ. THAT'S WHAT I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND BOTH OF THOSE. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING FOR. IS THAT TIME. THANK YOU. OKAY. THIS DISCUSSION HAS HAPPENED. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU NEED FROM US? YES. JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. I KNOW EVERYBODY SAID IT, BUT ARE WE IN AGREEANCE THAT I CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH REMOVING THE CURRENT STRUCTURE? THAT PUTS US AHEAD OF THE GAME, FOR SURE. AND BECAUSE WE'RE ALREADY WE'VE ALREADY STARTED GETTING QUOTES ON IT, AND I WANT TO MOVE AS QUICK AS I CAN ON THAT SO THAT I CAN CREATE SOME PLAY SPACE FOR THE KIDS. AND THEN LASTLY, I WANT TO MAKE A STATEMENT TO I'VE BEEN REACHED OUT BY A LOT OF PEOPLE, REACHED OUT TO ME, AND I WANT TO THANK THEM FOR THE TAKING THAT TIME TO REACH OUT AND SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS AND THEIR THEIR ALL OF THEIR FEELINGS TOWARDS THIS, BECAUSE IT TAKES A LOT. AND WE DO CONSIDER ALL OF THAT STUFF. AND I'VE HAD A LOT OF CALLS. I'VE SPENT MY MY ENTIRE WEEK TALKING WITH PEOPLE. SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU. THANK YOU TO THEM. OKAY. YES. YOU HAVE CONSENSUS FOR THAT. AND JUST MAKE SURE I APPRECIATE YOU HANDLING REMOVING THE FENCE AND THE BRICKS, AND WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION LATER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU STAFF. THANK YOU. THE COMMUNITY. WE'RE WAY PAST. TIME FOR A BREAK. SO IT'S 1032. WE'LL TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK. OKAY. WE'RE BACK IN FROM OUR SHORT BREAK. AND WE CONCLUDED WITH ITEM 13 B. WE'RE GOING TO SKIP OVER TO 15 A MR. MCCONNELL. [15.A) Second Reading and Final Adoption of an Ordinance Amending Dock Regulations in the Port Royal Neighborhood.   An Ordinance for the Purpose of Amending Regulations Relating to Pier Location and Dimension Regulations in the R1-15A Residence District; Amending Paragraph (C)(5) of Section 56-93, Piers and Boat Lifts, Siting and Dimensions, of Article III, Standards Applicable to Residential Districts, of Chapter 56, Supplemental Standards, Amending Section 58-121, Pier Location and Dimensions, of Chapter 58, Zoning, of the Code of Ordinances, City of Naples; Providing for Codification; Conflicts; Severability; Correction of Scrivener’s Error; Construction; Publication; and Providing an Effective Date.] YES. THANK YOU. MAYOR. AN ORDINANCE FOR THE PURPOSE OF AMENDING REGULATIONS RELATING TO PIER LOCATION AND DIMENSION REGULATIONS IN THE R-1 DASH 15, A RESIDENCE DISTRICT AMENDING PARAGRAPH C FIVE OF SECTION 5006 93 PIERS AND BOATS. LIFTS, SITING AND DIMENSIONS OF ARTICLE THREE STANDARDS APPLICABLE TO A RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS OF CHAPTER 56 SUPPLEMENTAL STANDARDS AMENDING SECTION 58 121 PIER. LOCATION AND DIMENSIONS. CHAPTER 58 ZONING OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. CITY OF NAPLES. PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION. CONFLICT, SEVERABILITY, CORRECTION OF SCRIVENER'S ERRORS. CONSTRUCTION, PUBLICATION AND PROVIDING AN [03:00:04] EFFECTIVE DATE. GOOD MORNING, MISS MARTIN. GOOD MORNING. I'M ERIC MARTIN, PLANNING DIRECTOR. YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE. AND THIS IS AN ORDINANCE AMENDING THE REGULATIONS FOR ONLY THE PORT ROYAL DISTRICT. SO R 158 HAS THEIR OWN SPECIFIC DOCK REGULATIONS. THAT'S ALL WE ARE MENDING TODAY. IT WILL NOT AFFECT ANY OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS OR THE DOCK REGULATIONS ANYWHERE ELSE. AND THE ONLY CHANGE IS AMENDING THE PROJECTION LIMITATION, WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY 22FT FROM THE TOE OF THE RIPRAP AND THE PROPOSED CHANGES TO GO TO 25FT. THIS WAS DISCUSSED WITH THE RESIDENTS OF PORT ROYAL THROUGH THE ASSOCIATION. THERE'S BACKUP MATERIAL IN YOUR PACKET OF OF THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND HOW THIS CAME ABOUT. AND ALSO THIS WAS RECOMMENDED FOR APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. IT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL ON FIRST READING TWO WEEKS AGO. WITH NO CHANGES. AND SO THE ORDINANCE THAT'S BEFORE YOU FOR SECOND READING IS NO CHANGES SINCE FIRST READING. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS? DO I HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT? MADAM CLERK. OKAY. DO I HAVE A MOTION? MOVE TO MOVE TO APPROVE. SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY VICE MAYOR AND OR BY COUNCILWOMAN PETRANOFF. AND A SECOND BY VICE MAYOR. MADAM CLERK MAYOR BEFORE ROLL CALL. COULD I JUST GET CLARITY ON WHAT THE MOTION TO APPROVE IS? THANK YOU. SIR. MOTION TO APPROVE. IF YOU COULD JUST CLARIFY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. MOTION TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE FOR PURPOSES OF AMENDING REGULATIONS RELATED TO THE PIER LOCATION AND DIMENSION IN THE R-1, DASH 15, A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU AGAIN. A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER PETRANOFF AND A SECOND BY VICE MAYOR. MADAM CLERK. COUNCIL MEMBER PETRANOFF. ENOUGH? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. VICE MAYOR HUTCHINSON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRISEMAN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. MAYOR. HEITMANN. YES. THANK YOU. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THAT CONCLUDES 15 A AND NOW WE'RE GOING BACK TO 13 C [13.C) A Discussion on Funding Options (Rate Increases versus Referendum) for the Stormwater Infrastructure Improvement Implementation.] MR. YOUNG. THANK YOU. MAYOR. WITH EXCUSE ME, THIS IS A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE STORMWATER RATES, AND IT'S ABOUT A, NOT A, NOT A STORMWATER RATE PLAN TO INCREASE IT TODAY, BUT TO TO THINK ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PROJECTS IN OUR OVERALL STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE SYSTEM AND TO THINK ABOUT IT OVER THE NEXT 4 OR 5 YEARS, THREE, 4 OR 5 YEARS, WHATEVER YOU DECIDE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, FROM THE TIME THAT I TOOK THIS POSITION, EVEN BEFORE THAT, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT LONG TERM HORIZONS AND LONG TERM PROJECTS, INFRASTRUCTURE BASINS, OVERALL STORMWATER SYSTEM. AND IT'S BEEN AN ONGOING CONVERSATION. AND IT REALLY COMES TO THE POINT AS WHERE WE REALLY NEED TO TO MAKE A DECISION PROSPECTIVELY HOW WE'RE GOING TO PROVIDE THE FUNDING SO WE DON'T END UP IN THE SITUATION. WE ENDED UP WITH THE OUTFALL PROJECT, WHERE WE BEGAN DESIGNS SEVEN YEARS BEFORE WE EVER REALLY STARTED PLANNING ON THE MONETARY SIDE. AND CONVERSELY, WE WE ADOPTED A BUDGET THAT HAS OVER $8 MILLION OF DESIGN BEGINNING THIS YEAR AND THE NEXT PHASES OF THE STORMWATER REPLACEMENT. AND SO THIS IS TO EXCUSE ME, WITH AN EXPECTATION OF SOMETIME IN THE NEXT THREE YEARS TO HAVE POTENTIAL EXPENSES OF ABOUT 78 MILLION FOR THESE PROJECTS. SO THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO PUT ALL THAT INTO ONE SPECIFIC AREA AND TO TO HAVE A TRUE RATE DISCUSSION VERSUS A WHAT I ORIGINALLY THOUGHT WOULD BE A DISCUSSION OF AS FAR AS A REFERENDUM. SO I WANT TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN THOSE THINGS. I HAVE LISA DOUGLAS HERE IN CASE I MESS ANYTHING UP ON THE BILLING SIDE OR THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS ON THE PRESENTATION. AND GEORGE YILMAZ IS HERE AND BOB MIDDLETON IS IN THE BACK NOW. LISA, WE'LL SEE HOW GOOD WE KNOW EACH OTHER. IF YOU COULD PROCEED THROUGH THE PAGES BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE THE KEYBOARD HERE. THEN WE'LL RELATIVELY QUICKLY GO THROUGH THIS INFORMATION. SO AGAIN, WHAT WE PRESENTED TO YOU TODAY IS THE HISTORIC RATE INCREASES. WE'LL GO OVER THAT IN A MOMENT. RATE INCREASE WHAT THAT WOULD MEAN MONETARILY VERSUS A REFERENDUM. DISCUSS THE BENEFITS OF THE VARIOUS OPTIONS AND THEN REVIEW THE POTENTIAL REVENUE OF RATE INCREASES THAT THAT WE COULD, COULD IMPLEMENT TO BEGIN FUNDING. SO FROM THE 20 YEAR RATE HISTORY, WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS JUST KIND OF LETS YOU KNOW THE PEAKS AND VALLEYS THAT HAVE OCCURRED OVER TIME. AND THERE WAS TIMES, YOU KNOW, YOU THINK ABOUT OVER A 20 YEAR HORIZON, IF YOU DID 3% WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. YOU CAN HAVE AN IDEA IF YOU WERE ALWAYS DOING A FIXED PERCENT, [03:05:02] BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE WHERE THERE WERE TIMES BASED ON CPU THAT IT WAS 0.10. AND THEN IN MORE RECENT YEARS, WHEN WE SAW IN 2324 WHERE WE HAD 9%, 9.5% CPU, THAT THOSE SOME OF THOSE WERE PASSED ON. NOT ALL OF THEM, BUT SOME OF THEM WERE AS WELL. AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE TWO IN STORMWATER IS IRONIC. IN 2007 RAISED RATES 50%, AND THEN IN 2025 WE HAD THE 40% RELATED SPECIFICALLY TO THE STORMWATER OUTFALL PROJECT. SO THIS WAS JUST TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF FLAVOR OVER TIME. AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS WE HAVE, WE THOUGHT IT WAS RELEVANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTOOD HOW MANY IS CITY GOVERNMENT? HOW MANY ARE COMMERCIAL COUNTY GOVERNMENT? MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND CITY GOVERNMENT. AND SO FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE COMMERCIAL, YOU CAN SEE YOU HAVE 644 TOTAL ACCOUNTS OR 13,300 EQUIVALENT ARE MULTIFAMILY. THERE'S 9808, 837 EQUIVALENT AREAS. AND THEN RESIDENTIAL IS 6000. SO BETWEEN RESIDENTIAL AND MULTIFAMILY YOU KNOW, SLIGHTLY OVER THE AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL, BUT WE DID WANT TO GIVE YOU THAT AS AN INDICATION. NOW, THE CURRENT REVENUE THAT WE GET PER AR IS $49.56. WE HAVE A BI MONTHLY BILLING AND ON AVERAGE IS ABOUT A MILLION 475. AND OUR AGGREGATE, EVEN AFTER THE MOST RECENT INCREASES IS REVENUE OF ABOUT $8.8 MILLION. OKAY. SO TO PUT THAT IN PERSPECTIVE THE COST PER AVERAGE ARE YOU? ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT HERE WAS, IS IF WE DECIDED TO IMPLEMENT IT ALL AT ONCE AND SAY WE COULD DOUBLE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WE'RE GOING TO GET, DOUBLE THE AND BEGIN TO PUT IT AWAY SOONER, I'LL EXPLAIN WHAT THAT IS IN JUST A MOMENT IN AGGREGATE VALUE. BUT IF WE TOOK THE MONTHLY RATE, IT'S $24.78 PER MONTH IS WHAT WE PRESENTLY CHARGE. IF WE PHASED IN 100% INCREASE AT ONE TIME, OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD DOUBLE AND THE ANNUAL INCREASE IS 297. IF WE TOOK A TWO YEAR PHASED IN APPROACH, IT WOULD BE $12.39 INCREASE AND IT WOULD RESULT IN 148 68 INCREASE OVER THE TWO YEAR PERIOD FOR EACH SUBSEQUENT YEAR, AND THEN AT 33% OR A THREE YEAR PHASE IN, IT'S $8.18 AND AT 25%, IT'S $6.20. AND AGAIN, THAT WOULD UNDER THAT SCENARIO, WE WANT TO GENERATE 100% MORE. I THINK THAT'S THE MINIMUM NEEDED AND YOU'LL SEE WHY. BUT A PHASE IN OVER A FOUR YEAR PERIOD, WITH THE FIRST INCREASE NOT BEING EFFECT UNTIL TEN 1 TO 2026, YOU'LL SEE WHAT IT DOES TO YOUR REVENUE. SO BUT I WANTED YOU TO KNOW INDIVIDUAL COST PER AR AND TO GIVE YOU THE ANNUAL INCREASE THAT THAT WOULD MEAN. SO WITH THAT THEN WHAT DOES THAT GENERATE OVER THE LIFE OF THE INCREASE? SO FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS. IF LET'S TALK ABOUT A REFERENDUM REAL QUICKLY IN ORDER TO COME CLOSE TO GENERATING ANY, AND IT'S IN THE AGM, IT'S ABOUT 156 OR $153 MILLION. IF I RAISED IF WE WENT FOR REFERENDUM, GOT THE VOTE DID A 20 YEAR REFERENDUM AT A 20 BASIS POINT INCREASE, IT WOULD GENERATE $153 MILLION. IF WE PHASE IN THIS OVER AND AND AGAIN, THE REFERENDUM SUNSETS. AT THE END OF 20 YEARS. YOU WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK AND I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MOMENT AS WELL. BUT IN THIS CASE, YOU LOOK AT IT OVER THE FIRST FOUR YEARS, AND THE REASON WE WANTED TO SHOW YOU THIS IS WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT, YOU SAY, WELL, I DON'T WANT TO DO IT AT 100%. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO DO IT AT ALL, BUT IF YOU DID WANT TO DO IT AND SAY, BUT I DON'T LIKE IT AT 100%, I WANTED YOU TO SEE THE DELTA MONETARILY TO OUR OVERALL NEEDS AND THEN OVERALL OVER TIME. SO IF YOU LOOK AT IT AND YOU SAID, WELL, I UNDERSTAND THE NEEDS THERE, I'M NOT RAISING IT 100% AT ONE TIME I WANTED TO SAY, WELL, LET'S JUST SAY THAT YOU SAID THREE YEARS. SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO NUMBERS AT 100% IN THE FIRST FOUR YEARS, YOU GENERATE 34, 35.4 MILLION. IF YOU DID IT OVER THE THREE YEAR PERIOD, IT'S 26.3. AND IF YOU DID IT OVER A FOUR YEAR PERIOD, IT'S 22.1. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, YOUR DELTA DIFFERENCE IS 13 MILLION OVER THAT FOUR YEAR PERIOD. BUT ON THE BACK END, THEY'RE ALREADY UP TO THE 100% THAT BECOMES IDENTICAL. SO 13 MILLION OVER FOUR YEARS LOOKS LIKE WOW, I DON'T KNOW, WHAT SHOULD WE WAIT THAT LONG? BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT IN AGGREGATE OVER A 20 YEAR PERIOD AND WHAT YOUR NEEDS ARE, YOU CAN SEE THE DIFFERENCE NOW AT 12 MILLION, THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DOING 100% AT ONCE AND 25% OVER FOUR YEARS. IT'S 177 MILLION TO 163. IT DOESN'T LOOK THAT WAY ANYMORE. [03:10:06] AND SO THE KEY IS THIS THIS ISN'T A SHORT GAME. THIS ISN'T ABOUT YOUR SHORT GAME. THIS IS ABOUT THE LONG GAME AND THE LONG TERM COMMUNITY NEEDS. AND SO THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A 25% AND 100% OVER TIME, AND THE TRAJECTORY OF THAT GETS YOU WHERE YOU NEED TO GO NOW, DOES IT GET YOU ALL THE WAY THERE? WELL, LET'S THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A MINUTE. GO AHEAD. LET'S YEAH. LET'S GO BACK TO THE OTHER ONE FIRST BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO. LET'S STICK ON THIS ONE. THE REASON I DON'T WANT TO GET TO THAT YET, THE REASON THAT I SAY THAT IS THIS. FIRST OF ALL, REMEMBER WE HAVE BASELINE ASSESSMENTS, IMPLEMENTATIONS AND EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. THAT'S 282 MILLION OVER THE FIRST 20 YEARS. IT'S 600 MILLION IN AGGREGATE. SO EVEN WITH THIS, IF YOU SAY OVER THAT 20 YEAR PERIOD, WE HAVE 163 OF THAT, 282 MILLION, THAT IS A IT IS NOT ALL OF IT, BUT IT IS A SIGNIFICANT STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. WE'VE BEEN IN UNPARALLELED TIMES, GOTTEN MORE GRANTS AND THINGS THAN THE CITY PROBABLY EVER HAS, BUT THAT PURSUING THEM NEEDS TO BE A CONSTANT WITHIN OUR OVERALL APPROACH. BUT THERE'S TWO THINGS WE'LL HAVE AN ADVANTAGE OF INSTEAD OF HAVING IT DESIGNED IN NO MONEY THERE, OR HAVING MONEY AND NO DESIGN, WE CAN YOU CAN GET GRANTS WHEN YOU HAVE THEM PROJECTS READY, YOU HAVE FUNDING IN PLACE. AND THE OTHER PART IS, IS THE DIFFERENCE IN THE PERPETUAL WILL REVENUE ASSOCIATED WITH STORMWATER AS OPPOSED TO A REFERENDUM. AND I'LL TALK ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN ANOTHER SLIDE IS THE BORROWING CAPACITY. BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE DOING PROJECTS, THE KEY IS HOW IS THE MONEY MEASURED THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BRING IN. HOW SUSTAINABLE IS IT. SO IMAGINE BEING IN YEAR 16 WITH A $40 MILLION PROJECT AND REVENUE THAT RUNS OUT IN FOUR YEARS. IT'S A MUCH DIFFERENT PICTURE THAN IT IS, IF THAT THAT REVENUE IS PERPETUAL BOTH IN RATES AND IN OVERALL ABILITY TO BORROW AGAINST IT. SO I SAY THAT AND IF THIS WASN'T ABOUT STORMWATER, IF IT WAS ABOUT GOVERNMENT AND, YOU KNOW, GOVERNMENT EXPENSES, YOU GO A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PATH. BUT THE THE PREDOMINANCE OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AND IT WILL EAT UP EVERY DOLLAR OF THIS INCREASE IS TO REPLACE THE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE AND MAKE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS YOU NEED TO STORMWATER. AND OH, BY THE WAY, WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO EXPLORE HOW WE CAN SUPPLEMENT THAT RATE WITH OTHER GOVERNMENTAL THINGS, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN GET THEM DONE ALONG THE WAY. SO I SAY ALL OF THAT SO THAT YOU UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT A SHORT GAME DISCUSSION. IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW FAST YOU GET IT IN, IT'S ABOUT THE LONGEVITY OF SUSTAINING IT. AND I'LL GIVE YOU I'M JUST GOING TO THROW IT OUT ON THIS SLIDE. THE DIFFERENCE IT'S 8.8 MILLION IT MAKES. IF YOU SAID I WANTED 20 BASIS POINTS OVER FIVE YEARS, NOT 25 I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. WELL THE DELTA ON THAT IS 440,000 A YEAR. IT'S ONLY $2.2 MILLION DIFFERENCE OVER THE AGGREGATE OF THE ENTIRE THING. MY POINT TO YOU IS I'M NOT TRYING TO TELL YOU ONE'S BETTER THAN THE OTHER. WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, IF WE DON'T START SOMEWHERE, WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET TO THE END OF THIS. THAT'S THE ONLY THING. AND IT NEEDS TO BE A CONSTANT. HERE'S WHAT'S AVAILABLE, HERE'S WHAT'S AVAILABLE. HERE'S WHEN IT'S DESIGNED, HERE'S WHAT'S ALREADY THERE. IF IT'S NOT THAT, I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU GET THERE. THIS PARTICULAR SLIDE. BUT I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S IMPORTANT. YOU ALSO KNOW WHAT IS THE COST. WHAT WOULD IT BE IF IT WAS A REFERENDUM? SO IF I HAVE A PROPERTY, I DON'T WANT TO HIDE A SINGLE THING. YOU NEED TO KNOW ALL THOSE FACTS AS THEY'RE SITTING IN FRONT OF YOU. A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAT IS NOW VALUED AT $500,000 TAXABLE VALUE. I'M NOT JUST FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE 100% RATE INCREASE WOULD BE 297 36 AND THAT IS BY THE FINAL YEAR OF IT. THAT'S THE KEY. THE FIRST YEAR IT'S GOING TO BE $74. I'M IF WE DID IT AS A FOUR YEAR, I'M MAKING THAT AS AN EXAMPLE. BUT BY THE TIME IT'S ALL SAID AND DONE, MEANING FOUR YEARS FROM NOW AND THE 100% IS THERE AND YOU'VE DOUBLED, IT MEANS 297 MORE A YEAR AND A 20 BASIS POINT REFERENDUM ON THAT SAME PROPERTY IS 100,000. THOUSAND. CONVERSELY, IF IT WAS $1 MILLION PROPERTY, ITS 297 SAME AMOUNT ON THE STORMWATER, BUT ITS 200 ON TAXES FOR A $2 MILLION PROPERTY, ITS 297 400 IN TAXES. I WANTED TO DISCLOSE THAT FOR YOU, BECAUSE I DIDN'T WANT IT TO NOT BE SAID AND MADE A PART OF A PUBLIC CONVERSATION. AND THEN WE TOOK AND SAID, WELL, LET'S LOOK AT THE LARGEST MULTI-FAMILY. WHAT WOULD THAT DO TO THEM AS FAR AS WHAT THEIR PROPERTY TAXES WOULD GO UP VERSUS WHAT THE RATE INCREASE WOULD DO. SO PARK SHORE, YOU CAN SEE THAT ONE IS 34,800 BY THE TIME OF THE FOUR YEAR PHASE IN IS OVER. [03:15:05] BAYFRONT CONDOS IS 38 SEVEN AND THE DIFFERENCE IS 26. IF IT WAS ON A ON A 20 BASIS POINTS AND MONACO BEACH CLUB IS 41 THREE VERSUS 37 TWO. SO MARGINALLY DIFFERENT IN SOME CASES. YOU ALSO WHEN YOU GET TO THE COMMERCIAL YOU HAVE SOME THAT YOU CAN SEE THAT ARE ARE CLOSER, BUT OTHERS ARE MORE SUBSTANTIAL. NOW WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT? WHAT IS AN ARE YOU IS THE EQUIVALENT RESIDENTIAL UNIT. SO THERE WAS AREAS THAT ARE CONCRETE DRIVEN AND THEY DON'T HAVE IMPERVIOUS AREAS IS THE ONES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO PAY THE, THE THE BIGGEST THE BIGGEST EXPENSE ON BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE MOST ARE YOU. SO FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE, BUT WE'RE ALL UTILIZING THE SAME STORMWATER SYSTEM THAT MAINTAINS, YOU KNOW, THAT IS IN THE ROADS IN EVERY ASPECT. SO BUT I DID WANT TO NOT NOT DISCLOSE IT EITHER. SO. AND THIS JUST GOES TO WHAT I WAS ALLUDING TO EARLIER, IS THAT THE REFERENDUM, IF YOU WENT IN BASED ON A TAXABLE VALUE OF 40 41 BILLION ANNUALLY TO 8.2 OVER 2020 YEARS, 5% LESS PROCESSING BECAUSE YOU ONLY BUDGETED 95%, IT'S ROUGHLY 157 7 MILLION. THE RATE REFERENCE THAT I GAVE YOU BEFORE INCLUDES THE 100 TO 25% AT FOUR YEARS IS STILL 163 7.99. AND AGAIN, IT IS IMPORTANT TO THOSE THINGS THAT I ALREADY MENTIONED TO YOU, WHICH IS THAT THE REFERENDUM WOULD SUNSET IN 20 YEARS. THE PERPETUAL NATURE OF THE STORMWATER RATES ALLOWS YOU TO LEVERAGE FOR BORROWING, BOTH AT CONTINUED BORROWING AS PROJECTS ARE COME ONLINE, BUT ALSO AT BETTER RATES BECAUSE THE CONSISTENCY OF THE REVENUE STREAM. SO THESE ARE ALL SIGNIFICANT ATTRIBUTES. AND AS I ALSO INDICATED THAT THE FIRST 20 YEARS IS 280 MILLION. THAT'S NOT INCLUDING ANYTHING WHERE YOU HAVE TO DO ON THE NORTH END AND OTHER PROJECTS THAT AREN'T IN THE BASIN. THAT'S JUST THE BASIN ASSESSMENT. AND THE OVERALL IS 600 MILLION. SO THAT 163 MILLION GOES A LONG WAY IN GETTING US SOMEWHERE. BUT IT DOESN'T SOLVE ALL OUR PROBLEMS, BUT IT PUTS A PUTS A PROJECTS ON THE HORIZON WITHIN FUNDING ABILITY AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED TO PUT IN PLACE. SO WITH THAT YOU KNOW, THERE'S THREE CRITICAL QUESTIONS MOVE FORWARD WITH FUNDING THE CRITICAL STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE. DO YOU YOU KNOW, AGREE A RATE INCREASE OR REFERENDUM OR NEITHER ONE. THAT'LL BE THAT WOULD BE YOUR CHOICE, OBVIOUSLY, BUT BUT BUT ME, HAVING SHIFTED GEARS BECAUSE I TALKED TO YOU WHEN I FIRST TOOK OVER, THAT I WANTED TO ANALYZE THAT. SEE, BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE ANYTHING, WHEN YOU THINK, WHEN YOU FIND OUT YOU'RE WRONG AND YOU SWITCH GEARS, THAT'S WHAT I DID HERE. I JUST DON'T THINK THE REFERENDUM IS IS ONE THE BEST WAY. IT'S NOT THE MOST SUSTAINABLE WAY. AND IN THE CURRENT CLIMATE, I'M NOT SURE. RELYING ON PROPERTY TAX RIGHT NOW ANYWAY IS THE BEST ON ANYTHING. AND REGARDLESS OF HOW IT'S PUT IN PLACE AND BECAUSE IT IS INFRASTRUCTURE, STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE ACROSS THE BOARD WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THIS ISN'T GENERATING FOR ANYTHING ELSE. I THINK THE RATE IS THE WAY TO GO. AND IF YOU AGREE WITH ME ON THAT, THE REST OF IT IS HOW YOU PUT IT IN PLACE AND HOW MANY YEARS YOU WANT TO SEE. AND THAT PHASED IN UNDER. SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MA'AM. WELL, I THINK YOU'RE BRILLIANT. I THINK, YOU KNOW, GOING THROUGH THE REFERENDUM EXERCISE AND ANALYZING IT AND THEN GOING THROUGH THE RATE INCREASE. I JUST APPRECIATE YOUR REAL THOUGHTFUL ANALYSIS OF THIS AND PRESENTATION. SO FIRST PERSON I HAVE IS VICE MAYOR AND THEN KRISTEN. THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG. AND FOR MEMBERS OF YOUR STAFF HERE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I'M LEVEL SET. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FUNDING. THE WORDS ARE CRITICAL STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE AND IN PLAIN SPEAK. THIS IS TO ADDRESS FLOODING AND STORM SITUATIONS. COULD YOU, COULD YOU JUST. SO ULTIMATELY THE THE AGE IN IN SIZE OF YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT CONDUCIVE TO OUR CURRENT. AND AND I'LL LET DOCTOR JORGE OR OR SOMEBODY ELSE ARTICULATE BETTER THAN ME. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE AGE OF YOUR CURRENT INFRASTRUCTURE AS WELL AS THE DESIGN OF IT IN IN A PURELY GRAVITY, GRAVITY BASED SYSTEM. THERE ARE INCIDENTS WHERE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO FORCIBLY PUMP, AND IT'S ADVISABLE TO PUMP CERTAIN THINGS OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY AND TIMELY. AND IN SOME CASES, IT'S GOING TO RESULT IN INCREASED CAPACITY UNDERNEATH THE ROADS AND [03:20:08] MEANING BIGGER PIPES. BUT THEN ALSO IN CONJUNCTION WITH CONNECTION WITH THAT, AS YOU'RE REPLACING THE AGING INFRASTRUCTURE, DECIDING WHAT'S UP SIZE, DECIDING WHAT PERFORMS ON ITS OWN OR NEEDS A PUMP, STATIONS THAT WILL BE PART OF THE PROCESS. AND THEN IN THAT THEN THE RAISING THE ROADS WILL BE EVALUATED AS IT IS DONE WITH, AS IT SHOULD BE WITH ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE CHANGES OR INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS, WHETHER IT BE UTILITIES OR WHATEVER. BUT THE ROAD STRUCTURE, WHEN POSSIBLE, SHOULD ALSO BE CONSIDERED FOR FOR BEING INCREASED. THE OVERALL INTENT IS TO INCREASE BOTH MAINTENANCE, THE CAPACITY OF THE SYSTEM TO HANDLE A CURRENT EXISTING NEEDS, BUT ALSO TO CREATE FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF CREATING LESS FLOODING AND BEING ABLE TO HANDLE WHEN IT THE THE STORMS THAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED A MORE RESILIENT COMMUNITY. THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT. OKAY. AND THEN WE'VE TALKED ABOUT RATE INCREASE VERSUS REFERENDUM. AND I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT REFERENDUM IS REFERRING TO USING PROPERTY VALUES AS A MECHANISM TO RAISE FUNDS. CORRECT. WE WOULD HAVE TO. WE WOULD GO TO THE VOTERS TO SAY WE WANT WE KNOW WE HAVE CAPITAL AND INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS AND TO RAISE CAPACITY TO ISSUE DEBT. WE ARE GOING TO GO TO VOTERS AND ASK THEM FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE. AND THAT PURPOSE WOULD BE THE SAME, WHETHER WE DID IT BY A RATE INCREASE OR WE DID IT BY REFERENDUM. AND WE WE KNOW IN OUR CURRENT ENVIRONMENT, PROPERTY VALUE, THE PROPERTY TAXES ARE ARE BEING CONSIDERED AT DIFFERENT LEVELS, NOT THE CITY, BUT BEING CONSIDERED OF AT THE STATE LEVELS OF, OF THE CITY EVEN BEING PREEMPTED ON CERTAIN THINGS OR, OR THE CONTINUITY OF THE REVENUE FROM PROPERTY TAXES IS AT RISK. SO FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE RATE INCREASE, IF THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO DO SOMETHING REGARDING THAT RESILIENCY, SOMETHING THAT FOR PLANNING PURPOSES, FOR CONTINUITY AND FUNDING SERIOUS FUNDING, IT'S TO CONSIDER THIS RATE INCREASE OPPORTUNITY, THIS PATH TO GET US THERE. AND I SUPPORT THAT. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. KIRSTEN. TO ME. CONSIDERING THIS IS SUCH A HUGELY IMPORTANT ISSUE FOR US AND FOR THE COMMUNITY, IT'S IT'S INTERESTING THAT THE DECISION IS SO SIMPLE AND EASY FOR ME. I, I AGREE WITH WHAT THE VICE MAYOR JUST SAID. WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD. IT SHOULD BE A RATE INCREASE, NOT A REFERENDUM, AND I WOULD. I WOULD SUPPORT DOING IT OVER FOUR YEARS. I JUST WANT TO ADD 1 OR 2 OTHER THOUGHTS TO THIS THOUGH. THE CONTEXT HERE FOR WHAT WE'RE DOING TODAY, ASSUMING WE WE DO REACH AGREEMENT ON SOMETHING, IS NOT JUST STORMWATER. IT'S REALLY RESILIENCY. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE GOING BACK IN TIME 5 OR 6 YEARS, THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE CITY HAS AND A LOT OF IT IS IT'S ALL DUE TO THE WORK OF THE CITY STAFF. WE WE PREPARED A VULNERABILITY, A VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT. WE THEN DID, BASED ON THE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT, A CLIMATE ADAPTATION PLAN, AND THEN MOST RECENTLY, JUST A MONTH OR SIX WEEKS OR SO AGO, WE RECEIVED A A RESILIENCY VISION AND PLAN. AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS WITH RESPECT TO ALL OF THESE STEPS IN THE PROCESS. AND THERE MAY BE A FEW I'M LEAVING OUT WHERE THEY'RE STILL THE ONLY LOCAL GOVERNMENT IN SOUTHWEST FLORIDA TO HAVE DONE ANY OF THESE THINGS, WHICH I DON'T SAY BY WAY OF BRAGGING RIGHTS. FRANKLY, I FIND THAT DISTURBING. AND I WISH WE HAD SOME COMPANY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER COUNTIES AND CITIES IN SOUTHWEST FLORIDA, I WISH THEY WERE ALSO MOVING ALONG THIS SAME PATH MORE RAPIDLY. BUT THE POINT IS, WE'VE DONE THIS. THE CLIMATE VISION AND PLAN THAT WE THE EXCUSE ME, THE RESILIENCY PLAN AND VISION WE RECEIVED A MONTH OR SO AGO HAD THREE PILLARS OFFSHORE, ONSHORE AND INLAND. THIS IS DEALING WITH THE INLAND PORTION, WHICH IS THE THING WE HAVE THE GREATEST CONTROL OVER IF YOU WILL. [03:25:08] AND WE AND WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO THROUGH, THROUGH OUR STORMWATER FUND TO GREATLY, POSITIVELY IMPACT THAT OVER TIME. THIS IS FOR 20 YEARS. AND AS MR. YOUNG SAID, BUT I DON'T WANT TO AT THIS POINT TO GET BURIED AFTER 20 YEARS, WE COULD CONTINUE IT. SO SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT WAS IT, 280 MILLION IN NEEDS IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS? AND THIS RAISES 160 OF THAT 280. WELL, IF THERE'S ANOTHER IN TODAY'S DOLLARS, 320 MILLION FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS TO GET TO A TOTAL OF 600 MILLION, THE NEXT 20 YEARS OF STORMWATER FEES CAN GENERATE MONEY TO COVER A GOOD PORTION OF THAT AS WELL. SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO ADDRESS IT THIS WAY. AND SO SO THIS IS IF WE'RE SERIOUS ABOUT THE RESILIENCY, AND I KNOW WE ARE ISSUE AND IMPLEMENTING ACTIONS TO TO DEAL WITH RESILIENCY AND PARTICULARLY MITIGATING FLOOD RISK. THIS IS THIS IS THE WAY TO DO IT. AND AND, AND AND I THINK I THINK WE'LL, WE'LL SEE. BUT I THINK THE RESIDENTS WILL BE I THINK THEY'RE LOOKING FOR US TO TAKE ACTION ALONG THESE LINES. THE FINAL THING I WANT TO SAY, BECAUSE I THINK THIS IS IMPORTANT, JUST TO MENTION, IS THAT THE ONLY REASON WE'RE ABLE TO DO THIS IS BECAUSE OVER MANY YEARS, NOT JUST WHEN THIS COUNCIL HAS BEEN IN PLACE, BUT GOING BACK BEFORE THAT WE HAVE THIS CITY AND IT RELATES TO STAFF LEADERSHIP VERY MUCH AS WELL. HAS DONE A FANTASTIC JOB OF CREATING THESE ENTERPRISE FUNDS AND THEN MANAGING THEM PROPERLY. WE HAVEN'T ROBBED PETER TO PAY PAUL WITH ANY OF THESE ENTERPRISE FUNDS. WE'VE USED THEM FOR THE PURPOSES NOT JUST STORMWATER, BUT WATER, SEWER, SOLID WASTE. THEY'VE BEEN WELL MANAGED. WE'VE FUNDED THEM PROPERLY OVER TIME AS NECESSARY, WITH GREAT RESPONSIBLE RATE INCREASES. AND WE HAVE THAT RESOURCE AVAILABLE TO US SO WE CAN ACTUALLY CONSIDER DOING SOMETHING LIKE THIS. AND AGAIN, NOT EVERY COMMUNITY AND COUNTY IN THIS REGION OR THIS STATE IS, IS IN THAT SAME POSITION. SO IT'S IT'S GOOD FISCAL MANAGEMENT. THANK YOU. CHAIRMAN. YEAH. THE 25% OVER FOUR YEARS IS CERTAINLY THE WAY TO GO. I HAVE SOME CONCERNS, AND MY CONCERN IS THIS THAT MAINTENANCE IS PRESENTED EPISODICALLY, NOT NOT CONSISTENTLY. AND WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE'VE GOT. SO THAT CONCERNS ME THAT MAINTENANCE IS NOT BAKED IN. AND I THINK ALONG WITH BAKED IN, WE NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT MEANS IN THE WAY OF MAINTENANCE. SO I WOULD THINK THERE SHOULD BE A CONTINGENCY OF 1% 2% FOR MAINTENANCE ALONE. SO THAT'S THERE IN PERPETUITY FOR AS LONG AS THIS GOES ON. THAT IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN. MR. YOUNGKIN ADDRESSED THAT. THERE'S TWO THINGS. ONE IS IT WILL BE RETAINED IN THE STORMWATER FUND, AND THAT IS LEVEL OF EFFORT. AND EVEN IN THE CURRENT YEAR, WE'VE INCREASED THE LEVEL OF EFFORT ON STORMWATER CLEANING TELEVISING, MAKING SURE THAT THE AREAS TO WHICH WE NEED TO EMPHASIZE THE MAINTENANCE ON. SO MY POINT TO YOU, MA'AM, IS IT'S NOT A IT'S NOT AN EXCLUSIONARY BUCKET WITHIN THE STORMWATER FUND. IT BECOMES PART OF CAPITAL INVESTMENT AND THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE. BUT I WOULD ALSO SUBMIT TO YOU THAT WE ARE NOT PUTTING IT IN THE STORMWATER FUND, OR THIS ISN'T BEING PROPOSED, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY INCREASED THOSE EFFORTS IN THIS LAST YEAR AND ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO EVALUATE THAT. AND IN FACT, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED IN THE CAPITAL INVESTMENT THAT WOULD HELP US IN THE LONG RUN, JUST LIKE AUTOMATING THE WEIRS. AND, AND THE INTENT WOULD BE TO BRING YOU AN OVERALL MAINTENANCE SOP AND HAVE THAT AS PART OF THE DISCUSSION. BUT THE FUNDING PART WOULDN'T CHANGE REGARDLESS OF SETTING ASIDE 1% FOR MAINTENANCE, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT INTENDING TO WE'RE NOT INTENDING TO SET IT ASIDE THAT IT'S CAPITAL VERSUS THE OTHER. IT'S STORMWATER SPECIFIC, AND IF ITS MAINTENANCE IS REQUIRED TO GO UP A PERCENTAGE THAT WE WOULD TAKE THOSE STEPS ON AN ANNUAL BUDGET BASIS. [03:30:09] IT WOULDN'T REQUIRE AN ACTION OF AN ORDINANCE TO DO THAT, MA'AM. THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'M GETTING AT. SO IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE BAKED INTO THE ORDINANCE THAT THERE WOULD BE. NO, BECAUSE IT'LL BE RESTRICTED. THE FUNDS ARE RESTRICTED WITHIN THE FUND. IT CAN'T BE USED FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE OTHER THAN STORMWATER AND YOUR MAINTENANCE. YOUR LEVEL OF MAINTENANCE IS TO STANDARDIZE SOPS, MAKE SURE MAINTENANCE IS IS BEING IS OCCURRING TIMELY, BUT THAT COST WOULD BE BAKED IN AS AN OPERATIONAL COST EACH YEAR. YOU JUST WOULDN'T HAVE TO EARMARK A PERCENTAGE OF IT FOR IT BECAUSE IT'S RETAINED IN THE FUND. BY THE SHEER NATURE OF THE FUND, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'M SAYING. IF YOU WANTED TO EARMARK IT, YOU COULD. I'M ONLY SAYING THAT WOULD JUST CREATE AN ACCOUNTING TOOL THAT DIDN'T DO ANY MORE THAN THE COMMITMENT OF HAVING DEFINED SOPS, ADHERING TO THE SOPS, AND MAKING SURE THE MAINTENANCE IS DONE. THAT'S ALL I'M GETTING AT FROM A FUNDING, CERTAINLY UP TO MY COLLEAGUES. BUT WHAT I THOUGHT WE HEARD. EARLIER, THANKS TO A FORMER COUNCIL PERSON, WAS WITH WITH THE DATA THAT SHE SENT OUT. WHAT WE CONSISTENTLY HEARD FROM PEOPLE WAS MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE, MAINTENANCE. YEAH. AND I THINK THAT'S A FAIR A FAIR DISCUSSION. AND I WOULD LIKE EITHER GEORGE OR BOB TO OPINE. BUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP, MA'AM, IS TO SAY THAT I'M JUST SAYING FOR THIS INCREASE, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO EARMARK A PERCENTAGE IF YOU SAID, I WANT $2 MILLION A YEAR, WHATEVER THAT OPERATING MAINTENANCE AMOUNT IS, YOU COULD DO THAT, BUT YOU WOULD DO THAT. YOU WOULDN'T DO THAT IN THE RATE INCREASE. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT I WAS ALLUDING TO IN MY OPINION. BUT GEORGE, WOULD YOU GO THROUGH THE CHANGES WE'RE MAKING AND WHAT AREAS WE HAVE TO IMPROVE IN. BUT MA'AM, YOU'RE RIGHT. AND THERE WAS OUR MAINTENANCE AREAS IN SOME CASES WERE LACKING. AND WE'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY ALL OF THOSE NOW. ALL I CARE ABOUT IS THAT IF IF YOU'RE IDENTIFYING, WE CAN PAY FOR. YEAH, BUT. YEAH, BUT I'LL LET GEORGE HANDLE WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO COUNCIL MEMBER PENNIMAN. YOUR QUESTION IS RIGHT ON. AND I'LL GIVE YOU JUST AS OPENING EXAMPLE TO CLOSING THE LOOP WITH ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION SALES TAX THAT PASSED ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, CREATED OVER $400 MILLION COUNTYWIDE. AND PART OF THIS STRATEGY AND BRILLIANT APPROACH TO SMART FUNDING CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE THROUGH RATE STUDIES. VERY IMPORTANT BECAUSE SALES TAX. LET'S SAY WE BUILD SPORTS COMPLEX ABOUT $160 MILLION. WE'RE SPENDING $600,000 PLUS AT BALLROOM TAXES TO MAINTAIN IT. YES. SO WHAT OUR CITY MANAGER IS RECOMMENDING THROUGH RATE INCREASES, RATE INCREASES IN ENTERPRISE FUND INCLUDES CAPITAL PROGRAM INCLUDES R&R REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT INCLUDES EMERGENCY REPAIRS AND O&M. SO OUR INITIAL RECOMMENDATION FROM OPERATIONAL STAFF STANDPOINT WOULD BE GIVE US A BREATHING ROOM. LET'S HAVE THE FUNDING COMING IN, AND WE WILL IDENTIFY CLEARLY THROUGH ENTERPRISE ASSET MANAGEMENT THAT WE ALREADY INITIATED DID WHEN OUR CITY MANAGER CAME ON BOARD. THAT WILL TELL US MORE CLEARLY IF WE'RE GOING TO NEED 1%, 2%, 5% WHERE WE NEED TO INVEST. MY INITIAL ASSESSMENT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INVEST IN R&R, REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT OF OUR CURRENT 50 PLUS YEAR INFRASTRUCTURE USING THE FUNDS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, CONCURRENT TO IMPLEMENTATION OF THE CIP PROGRAM THAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED TO YOU. SO I THINK THAT WE WILL BE ADDRESSING YOUR CONCERNS VERY EFFECTIVELY AND TRANSPARENTLY TO THIS COUNCIL. I'LL ACCEPT THAT. AND IF YOU'LL POINT THAT OUT TO ME, WHEN I SEE THOSE NUMBERS, I'LL BE ABLE TO SLEEP A LOT BETTER, THAT'S FOR SURE. AND I CAN I CAN SHARE WITH YOU, MA'AM, THAT THE THE INDUSTRY STANDARD IS ABOUT 12% PLUS OR -4% OF CAPITAL INVESTMENT FOR 20 YEAR HORIZON. SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT, YOU'RE LOOKING AT AS WE GO INTO THIS ENDEAVOR, ANY DECISION THIS COUNCIL MAKES IN RATE INCREASES [03:35:02] THAT WILL INCLUDE APPROPRIATE REPAIR, REPLACEMENT, MAINTENANCE AND CONTINUED UPGRADES. I HOPE THAT HELPS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. OKAY. OH, WAIT ONE SECOND. MR. YOUNG, DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? NO. I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO ALSO SAY THAT THE REOCCURRING NATURE OF THE REVENUE, AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, MA'AM, IS. YOU'RE SAYING IS IF I GO. IF I GO AND SPEND A $50,000 ON A CAR, I NEED TO KNOW IT'S GOING TO COST ME 5000 A YEAR IN ANNUAL MAINTENANCE. AND WHAT I'M GETTING TO YOU IS THE PERPETUAL NATURE OF IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO SIT $5,000 ASIDE FOR THE 20 YEARS AND ALREADY HAVE IT SITTING IN A BANK CASE THAT NEED ARISES PER YEAR. YOU HAVE ANNUAL INCOME, OF WHICH YOU EARMARK A PORTION. AND THAT'S WHAT DOCTOR GEORGE WAS JUST ALLUDING TO, IS IT'S A PERPETUAL EARMARK FOR THOSE PURPOSES. RECOGNIZING THAT IT HAS TO BE SUSTAINED AND DELIBERATE TO ACHIEVE THE RESULTING MAINTENANCE THAT YOU HAVE. BUT IT STARTS WITH DEFINING IT AND PUTTING THE PLAN IN PLACE. AND THAT WAS THE ONLY THING. IT WAS NOT DRIVEN BY MONEY LIKE IT WOULD BE TO MAKE SURE YOU SET ENOUGH ASIDE SO IT'S PERPETUALLY MAINTAINED. YOU JUST HAVE TO PERPETUALLY MAKE SURE THERE'S A MAINTENANCE BUDGET THAT HAS THE DEFINED LEVELS TO WHICH YOU WANT TO DO IT. I JUST WANTED TO ADD THAT. SO. THANK YOU. JUST ONE QUICK QUESTION ON THE SPECIALS THAT WE'RE DOING IN THE INTERIM, AND IT COULD BE UP TO 0 TO 5 YEARS OF, YOU KNOW, PUMP STATIONS IN CERTAIN GEOGRAPHICAL AREAS ETC.. WHAT IT'S NOT IT ISN'T IN HERE, IS IT? IS IT WHERE WHERE IS THAT GOING TO BE FUNDED FROM? OH, WELL GO AHEAD IF YOU GOT IT. GO AHEAD. VERY GOOD QUESTION, MA'AM. AND PART OF AND AND R&R REPAIR AND REPLACEMENT WE INITIATED PILOT PROGRAMS AND PILOT PROJECTS. SO THE FUNDING SOURCE FOR THOSE KIND OF INITIATIVES CAN COME FROM CAPITAL PROJECTS, SPECIAL PROJECTS, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, O&M AS WELL. SO IT'S A HYBRID APPROACH AND IT'S A SMART FUNDING. AND WHAT IT DOES BEFORE WE INVEST DOUBLE DIGIT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO A WET WELL STORMWATER SYSTEM. HAVING THESE PILOT PROGRAMS AND TEST IT WILL GIVE US LESSONS LEARNED SO THAT WHEN WE WRITE THE SCOPE, WE KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED, WHAT WE'RE DOING, CASE BY CASE, NEIGHBORHOOD BY NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE IDENTIFIED ABOUT FIVE OF THEM TO BE READY BEFORE NEXT HURRICANE SEASON. THAT'S THAT'S GREAT NEWS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. I HAVE KRAMER. YEAH, I'M ALL FOR DOING IT IN A FOUR YEAR PHASE. I'LL JUST SAY THAT I THINK IT'S A GREAT PLAN. THANK YOU. JERRY, BUT I HAVE TO COMMENT THAT THIS IS JUST KIND OF REMARKABLE TO ME THAT WE HAVE BOB MIDDLETON, OUTGOING PUBLIC WORKS, WHO KNOWS HIS, HIS HIS LOCAL KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT PIPE IS WHERE IN THIS TOWN IS UNPARALLELED ANYWHERE LIKE HE IN 1972, THAT THING ON THIRD WAS OR WHATEVER. IT'S JUST UNBELIEVABLE THAT THE GRANULAR KNOWLEDGE THAT HE HAS IS UNBELIEVABLE. THEN ON THE OTHER HAND, WE GOT DOCTOR GEORGE COMING IN AND HIS AT HIS FINGERTIPS ON HIS. IT'S ON THE TIP OF HIS TONGUE. WHATEVER QUESTION YOU ASK THAT IS HE KNOWS THAT 30,000 FOOT VIEW, HOW ALL THE DIFFERENT PIECES WORK TOGETHER GLOBALLY IS REMARKABLE. AND I JUST HAVE TO COMMENT THAT HOW WE'RE SO FORTUNATE TO HAVE THOSE TWO GUYS LIKE THANK YOU GUYS. IT'S REMARKABLE. AND I'M GRATEFUL. THANK YOU. OKAY. BARTON. YEAH, JUST REAL QUICK. I JUST WANT TO THANK GARY AND THE STAFF IN GENERAL, YOU GUYS, FOR PUTTING THIS TOGETHER, BECAUSE IT REALLY DOES PUT IT IN IN VERY CONCISE AND EASY TO UNDERSTAND TERMS. AND I AM FOR THE RATE INCREASE. PROBABLY THE WAY TO GO IS PHASE IT IN OVER FOUR YEARS. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, WHAT I WANT TO SAY IS THAT WE AS A COUNCIL, WE'VE GOT RESPONSIBILITIES HERE, AND ONE OF THE BIGGEST ONES WE'VE GOT IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF PROTECTING PROPERTY VALUES HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR PROPERTY OWNERS RELY ON US TO DO THAT. AND THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT TAKES MONEY AND AND IT TAKES A DIFFICULT DECISIONS. BUT YOU GOT TO DO WHAT YOU GOT TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE WE'RE DOING WHAT WE ARE SUPPOSED TO DO UP HERE ON THIS DAIS. [03:40:01] AND AGAIN, THAT IS PROTECTING OUR OUR COMMUNITY, PROTECTING OUR RESIDENTS FROM A PROPERTY VALUE STANDPOINT AND FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE TODAY. MR. YOUNG, I THINK EVERYONE SPOKE THE OPTIONS HERE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT THAT I HAVE THREE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SAID THE FOUR YEARS AT 25%. TELL ME AGAIN THE FIRST YEAR FOR THE PLANNING. YEAH. SO RIGHT NOW WE WE ENCUMBERED OR. EXCUSE ME. THIS COUNCIL BUDGETED $8 MILLION FOR THREE DIFFERENT THREE DIFFERENT SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS ON THE DESIGN PHASE. AND ONE OF THEM IS ANALYZING THE COVE PUMP, WHICH COULD GO UP TO 13 MILLION. THE OTHER IS 17 17TH AVE. AND THAT IS EXPECTED TO BE DESIGNED THIS YEAR, 10 MILLION NEXT YEAR. SO THAT'S ROUGHLY 26. AND THEN WE HAVE IN 2028, WHICH IS WHEN THE NEXT THERE'S LIKE 2 OR 3 PROJECTS THAT COULD CULMINATE IN AROUND 65 MILLION. SO IN OUR CIP WE HAVE THAT IN PLACE. AND BY VIRTUE OF THANK YOU FOR GOING BACK TO THIS SCREEN THIS DEMONSTRATES TO YOU THAT BY THAT TIME, RIGHT. SO ONE YEAR SHY OF THAT, IF I'M RIGHT, WE WILL HAVE ALREADY FUNDED THE FIRST TWO AND WE WOULD HAVE ROUGHLY 16 MILLION TOWARDS THE 65. THAT'S JUST ROUGHLY OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD BECAUSE WE ALREADY HAVE EXISTING FUND BALANCE. REMEMBER WHEN WE. JUST TO PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE FOR YOU, WE ESTIMATED THE FUND BALANCE WOULD BE 4.6 MILLION SINCE THAT TIME AND FULLY FUNDED THE OUTFALLS TDC HAS HIS HIS IN THE COUNTY HAS COME THROUGH WITH A 10 MILLION THAT WE WERE HOPING THAT WOULD ANTICIPATE. THAT GETS US TO A FUND BALANCE OF 14 MILLION. YOU ADD THAT TO THIS, AND WE'VE GOT THE TWO PROJECTS THAT ARE IN 26 AND 27, MEANING FISCAL YEAR 26, 27 THAT ARE ALREADY THAT COULD BE IN IN ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION, THE EARLIEST ONES WE WOULD ALREADY HAVE THAT SITTING THERE. AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT YOU'RE DOING IS GOING TOWARDS THE 1 IN 28, WHICH IS YOUR NEXT SIGNIFICANT. AND KEEPING IN MIND THAT MAY REQUIRE A DEBT DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF IT. BUT YOU WILL HAVE ALREADY AT THAT POINT, BY THE THIRD YEAR, BE COLLECTING 6.6 MILLION MORE ANNUALLY. AND TO TAKE ON THAT KIND OF DEBT, YOU WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO IT BECAUSE AND SO I SAY THOSE AND THOSE AREN'T EVEN EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON IN THIS STORMWATER AND INFRASTRUCTURE BECAUSE THE CRA IS TACKLING FIRST AND 10TH. AND SO THE POINT IS, I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE OF AN ISSUE AS, OH, BY THE WAY, GUESS WHAT? WE DON'T EVEN KNOW. EVERYTHING AS FAR AS THE CONSTRUCTION ON THE OUTFALL PROJECTS, BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN OUT OF SEASON, BUT THE STORM IS COMING ON THAT AND ALL THE DISTURBANCES OF THAT. THE BIGGEST FEAR I HAVE IS, IS THE AMOUNT OF PROJECTS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PERPETUAL MAJOR PROJECTS IN ROADWAYS AND STORMWATER IN THE FORESEEABLE FUTURE. BUT WE HAVE ENOUGH PROJECTS LINED UP AND WE'VE GOT YOU'VE GIVEN US THE BUDGET. I SHOULDN'T SAY WE'VE GOT YOU'VE GIVEN US THE BUDGET TO SAY, KEEP MOVING ON THESE. AND THIS PROVIDES THE BACK END FUNDING, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE PROPOSING IT. SO, SO FOR YEARS. AND THE 25% INCREASE I HAVE. YES. FROM PENNIMAN AND CHRISTMAN AND FROM KRAMER. VICE CHAIR. YES. YES. AND PETRINO. RIGHT. PARDON? OKAY. YES. I HAVE MY DIRECTIONS FROM A NEXT STEP PERSPECTIVE. THIS WOULD REQUIRE. WELL, FIRST LET ME SAY THANK YOU. LISA I RELIED ON YOU DOWNSTAIRS AND ALL OF YOUR HELP IN PREPARING THIS PRESENTATION. GEORGE, YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS AS WELL, ESPECIALLY ON THIS, THESE PRESENTATION, THIS PRESENTATION. BUT WE WILL MOVE TO PREPARE AN ORDINANCE EXPEDITIOUSLY. THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS GRACIOUSLY AGREED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET THAT DONE FOR THE 19TH. THE REASON BEING IS WE WE'RE TAKE THE BREAK, AND THEN YOU'RE GOING TO COME BACK FOR ONE MEETING IN DECEMBER. THE INTENT WOULD BE TO HAVE FIRST READING ON NOVEMBER 19TH, SECOND READING ON DECEMBER 3RD, AND THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS WOULD BE TEN ONE OF 2026 WOULD BE THE FIRST INCREASE. THE RATE WOULD TAKE EFFECT. ALL RIGHT, WELL THANK YOU. THANK YOU, TEAM LISA AND DOUGLAS AND DOCTOR GEORGE AND MR. MILTON. MR. YOUNG. THANK YOU. YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR ADDRESSED THE MAJOR CONCERN OF THIS COMMUNITY. AND TODAY WE SHOULD BE VERY PROUD. COUNCIL. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE WITH THAT ITEM? WE'LL CONCLUDE ITEM 13 C AND THAT CONCLUDES THE BUSINESS. [03:45:02] OF COUNCIL. WE HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. MADAM CLERK. NONE. NONE. COUNCIL. LUNCH IS BACK THERE. WOULD YOU LIKE TO GO THROUGH CORRESPONDENCE AND COMMUNICATIONS? [17) COMMUNICATIONS FROM MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, AND STAFF] THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO START OFF WITH MR. MCCONNELL. YES. THANK YOU, MAYOR. JUST A FEW THINGS. SO A FEW MEETINGS AGO THERE WAS DISCUSSION FROM COUNCIL AND DIRECTION GIVEN BY COUNCIL FOR OUR OFFICE, THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, TO KIND OF ENSURE THAT THE ORDINANCES RELATED TO THE CHANGE, NOT TO CHANGES, BUT THE CLARIFICATION PROCESS FOR THE UTILIZATION PLAN AND FOR THE SITE PLAN RELATED TO THE AIRPORT WERE KIND OF PUT INTO FORM AND THEN PRESENTED TO THE NA, THEN THE PAB, BECAUSE THEY AMEND THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND THEN ULTIMATELY TWO READINGS AT CITY COUNCIL. SO BASED ON THAT DIRECTION. ANDREW AND I WERE WORKING ON IT. WE PLANNED ON MEETING WITH STAFF AND GARY ONE MORE TIME BEFORE PRESENTING IT TO THE NA ON NOVEMBER 20TH. HOWEVER, ONCE WE STARTED LAYING OUT THE TIMELINE OF THE FACT THAT WE HAVE HOLIDAY BREAK AND THEN THE FACT THAT YOU ALL, ALL, YOU ALL ARE GOING TO BE INTERVIEWING NA MEMBERS ON THE 17TH AND APPOINTING POTENTIALLY TWO NEW MEMBERS ON THE 19TH, ALONG WITH THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THE ELECTION ON FIRST WEEK IN FEBRUARY THE TIMELINE THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. AND THEN I'LL, I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, WHAT THE TIMELINE WOULD BE IF WE PUSH THE NA MEETING AS WELL. OUR OFFICE JUST WANTED CLEAR DIRECTION ON WHETHER OR NOT TO CONTINUE PUSHING TOWARDS THE NOVEMBER 20TH MEETING. THERE IS AN AGENDA DEADLINE FOR THAT. FOR THE NA PUBLIC PUBLICATION, WHICH I BELIEVE IS VETERANS DAY. SO IT WOULD BE NEXT TUESDAY TO KIND OF SEND THESE TO THEM AND THEN ULTIMATELY PRESENT IT, WHICH MEANS WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITH STAFF IN THE INTERIM. BUT RIGHT NOW, IF WE WENT WITH THE SCHEDULE CURRENTLY, AS IS YOU WOULD BE AT THE NA ON NOVEMBER 20TH THE DAY AFTER THIS COUNCIL WOULD PRESUMABLY APPOINT TWO NEW MEMBERS TO THAT BOARD, BUT THEY TAKE OFFICE AT THE END OF NOVEMBER AND THE END OF DECEMBER. THEN BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THE COUNCIL MEETINGS ARE PUSHED UP, THE NEXT PPAB MEETING POTENTIALLY WOULD MOST LIKELY BE THE ONE IN JANUARY, WHICH WOULD BE JANUARY 14TH, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE APPROVING THEIR CALENDAR NEXT WEEK. SO THAT DATE IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE. AND THEN WE ONLY HAVE ONE REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING IN JANUARY, WHICH IS JANUARY 21ST. SO THAT COULD PRESUMABLY BE FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE. AND THEN SECOND READING WOULD BE FEBRUARY 18TH, WHICH IS ALSO THE MEETING THAT THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS ARE SWORN IN. SO THAT'S IF WE PURSUED THIS RIGHT NOW. AND I DO THINK I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT I THINK THERE IS AN URGENCY TO CLARIFYING THE PROCESS. I KNOW GARY OR MR. YOUNG AGREES WITH ME THAT THE CLEARER THE PROCESS, THE BETTER FOR EVERYONE. BUT FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE WENT TO THE NA MEETING ON JANUARY 15TH, WHICH WOULD BE THE FIRST MEETING AFTER THE TWO APPOINTED MEMBERS HAVE TAKEN OFFICE, AND THEN PAB ON FEBRUARY 11TH, THEN FIRST READING WOULD BE IN FRONT OF CITY COUNCIL, MARCH 4TH AND SECOND READING WOULD BE MARCH 18TH. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A 30 DAY DIFFERENCE IN THE APPROVAL OF THESE ORDINANCES. BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO CLEAR DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL BECAUSE I KNOW THIS IS A PRIORITY TO YOU. IT'S A PRIORITY TO EVERYONE. SO WITH THAT, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO DISCUSSION. MAYOR, IF I MAY JUST TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE DOING WHAT COUNCIL WANTS. OKAY. QUESTIONS? COUNCIL DISCUSSION. KRISTEN. WELL, THE I THINK THE REVISED APPROACH THAT MR. MCCONNELL JUST LAID OUT FROM A TIMELINE STANDPOINT MAKES MORE SENSE BECAUSE OF THE PARTICULARLY THE FACT THAT THE NAH BOARD IF HE WENT I, I HAVE TWO CONCERNS ABOUT HIM GOING TO THE NAA BOARD ON ON NOVEMBER 20TH. ONE IS THAT TWO OF THE FIVE MEMBERS WHO WILL BE SITTING THERE WILL BE ATTENDING THEIR LAST MEETING. SO YOU'RE GOING TO BE TALKING TO A BOARD THAT 40% OF THEM ARE NOT GOING TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS GOING FORWARD. SO YOU SORT OF SAY, OKAY, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND THE SECOND THING IS I'M I'M ALSO AND I'M NOT EVEN SURE THE REVISED TIMELINE SOLVES THIS [03:50:06] PROBLEM, BUT IT'S ONE THING TO BRIEF THE NAA BOARD WHENEVER YOU BRIEF IT. WELL, LET ME BACK UP A HALF A STEP. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, MR. MCCONNELL AND MR. YOUNG HAVE HAD MULTIPLE MEETINGS OVER TIME WITH MR. ROZANSKI AND OTHER STAFF AT THE AT THE AIRPORT ABOUT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCES AND HAVE GENERALLY HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK, DISCUSSION. AND GENERALLY THERE'S KIND OF AN AGREEMENT AS TO WHAT IS WHAT MAKES SENSE AND WHAT WOULD WORK IN THESE ORDINANCES. TO BRIEF THE THE AIRPORT BOARD ON THAT IS FINE, BUT LET'S KEEP IN MIND WE'VE NEVER BEEN BRIEFED ON IT. I MEAN, EXCEPT IN THE MOST CONCEPTUAL WAY. AND SO IS IT PUTTING THE CART AHEAD OF THE HORSE BY HAVING A MORE DETAILED BRIEFING ON SPECIFIC ORDINANCES WITH THE NA BOARD PRIOR TO US HAVING EVEN AT LEAST SOME KIND OF GENERAL. BRIEFING OR AWARENESS ON IT. THAT'S A QUESTION. AND SO FOR BOTH OF THOSE REASONS, I THOUGHT THAT I THINK THAT HOLDING OFF GOING TO THE NA ON ON THE 20TH WOULD BE A PRUDENT THING TO DO. I THINK YOU BRING UP VERY GOOD POINTS. BUT TO THAT POINT, IF I WERE A NA MEMBER LEAVING AND KNEW THE HISTORY HAVE BEEN, YOU KNOW, INVOLVED IN IT, I WOULD WANT TO BE BRIEFED AND BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT DECISION AS A LEAVING AS AN NA MEMBER. LEAVING NOT A NEW ONE. SO THAT THAT ONE'S A HARD ONE FOR ME ALSO. AS FAR AS BEING DEBRIEFED, I IF I RECALL, WE SAID THAT THE RESOLUTION WOULD BE REVIEWED BY MR. YOUNG AND WELL GIVEN OUT MR. YOUNG REVIEWED AND THEN IT WOULD COME TO US NOT NECESSARILY IN A MEETING BUT IN BY EMAIL, IF I RECALL. MAYBE I HAVE THAT WRONG, THAT WE WEREN'T GOING TO DISCUSS IT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE A MEETING UNLESS IT WAS GOING TO COME TODAY. DO YOU RECALL THAT HOW THAT WAS? ARE YOU GOING TO BRING IT TO US TODAY? NO, I DON'T RECALL THAT. OR ELSE I WOULD HAVE DONE MY BEST TO DO SO. SORRY. OKAY. I CAN'T REMEMBER. WE HAD A LENGTHY DISCUSSION ON IT, BUT I'M NOT. I CAN'T RECALL EXACTLY HOW WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IT AND AND BEING ABLE TO REVIEW IT, SO I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS FOR THIS DISCUSSION? HELLO. I'VE GOT EVERYBODY'S ON. I'LL JUST I'LL JUST MAYOR. MADAM MAYOR. YEAH, JUST A COUPLE QUICK COMMENTS, AND I, AND I UNDERSTAND THERE ARE DEFINITELY TWO VERY VIABLE RATIONALES TO WHETHER WE HOLD OFF AND WAIT FOR THE NEW NA MEMBERS OR NOT. I MEAN, I THERE'S THERE'S AN ARGUMENT ON BOTH SIDES THERE. I'M GOING TO JUST FOR THE RECORD, FALL ON ONE SIDE. BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT I DO UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT FOR THE OTHER. I BELIEVE THAT IT'S PROBABLY PRUDENT TO HAVE THE TWO NEW MEMBERS AS A PART OF THE PROCESS, AS OPPOSED TO THE OUTGOING MEMBERS SIMPLY, SIMPLY FROM A CONTINUITY STANDPOINT WITH, WITH THE NEW MEMBERS MOVING FORWARD, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE THERE FOR THEIR FULL, FULL TERM, THEORETICALLY. AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, THE OTHER THE OTHER ITEM THAT WAS MENTIONED IN REFERENCE TO ALSO PUSHING IT JUST A LITTLE BIT FURTHER DOWN, WHICH I THINK WAS ABOUT 30 DAYS. I DON'T I DON'T LIKE THE, THE OPTICS OF HAVING A FIRST READING WITH THIS COUNCIL AND THEN A SECOND READING WITH NEW, NEW MEMBERS OF OF A NEW COUNCIL. I WOULD OBVIOUSLY MUCH PREFER TO HAVE BOTH READINGS WITH THE MEMBERS OF THE NEW COUNCIL MOVING FORWARD SO THAT THEY ARE PART OF THE PROCESS ON BOTH BOTH PIECES OF THAT OF THAT PART OF THE, OF THE MECHANISM FROM A STANDPOINT OF, OF AGAIN, CONTINUITY. I THINK IT PROBABLY WOULD BE, WOULD BE BEST FOR US TO HAVE AGAIN, BOTH READINGS WITH THE, WITH THE SAME NUMBER, SAME MEMBERS. SO THEREFORE THE NEW MEMBERS MOVING FORWARD, JUST THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I STAND ON THAT. AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THE ARGUMENT, ESPECIALLY ON THE, THE NEW MEMBERS FOR THE NA COMING IN VERSUS THE ONES GOING OUT. [03:55:05] I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE IS A VALID ARGUMENT ON BOTH SIDES THERE, BUT I THINK I LEAN A LITTLE BIT TOWARDS WITH THE WITH THE NEW MEMBERS BEING A PART OF IT MOVING FORWARD FROM A CONTINUITY STANDPOINT. I AGREE WITH HIM. OKAY. VICE MAYOR. SO WHEN YOU LOOK BACK CITY COUNCIL HAS GIVEN DIRECTION TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY OFTEN, LIKE WE DO, AS WELL AS CITY STAFF TO TAKE SPECIFIC ACTIONS. IN THIS CASE, WE'RE I BELIEVE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ORDINANCES RELATED TO AIRPORT PLANNING PROCESSES AND HOW THAT INTERFACES WITH THE CITY. COUNCIL AND THE VARIOUS BOARDS THAT WE DEAL WITH. IN THIS CASE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY, CHANGES CONTINUE TO TAKE PLACE. PEOPLE LEAVE, PEOPLE REACH THE END OF THEIR TERM. IN THIS CASE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE END OF A TERM AND THE NEW APPOINTMENTS TAKING PLACE. YOU CAN IMAGINE WHATEVER PROCESS YOU WANT TO IMAGINE, BUT CHANGE IS INEVITABLE AND IT CONTINUES TO HAPPEN. IF WE START INCORPORATING A A DELAY IN THE BUSINESS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IS TASKED WITH COMPLETING, IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE GOING TO BACK UP AND WE'RE GOING TO SAY, WELL, LET'S DON'T PUT THIS BEFORE THAT BOARD OR THAT COMMITTEE OR THAT ADVISORY GROUP, BECAUSE THEY'RE WITHIN A MONTH, TWO MONTHS, THREE MONTHS, SIX MONTHS. WHERE IS THE THRESHOLD WHERE YOU START BACKING OFF AND CREATING AN AD HOC POLICY? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE DOING. WE DON'T HAVE THOSE POLICIES THAT WE'RE GOING TO WITHHOLD DIRECTION. THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RUNNING FOR OFFICE, IT'S INCUMBENT UPON THEM TO EDUCATE THEMSELVES AS TO THE LEGACY MATTERS. WE DON'T JUST ARBITRARILY DELAY BECAUSE AN ELECTION IS GOING TO BE TAKING PLACE. I'M I'M ONE OF THOSE. RIGHT? BETH, DO YOU KNOW COUNCILWOMAN? DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA HOW MANY MORE DAYS? WE HAVE? THREE MEETINGS. YEAH. SO I'M ONE OF THOSE THAT ARE IN THAT TRANSITION PHASE. SEVEN WHAT MEETINGS? SEVEN MEETINGS. SO ONE COULD SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? HE'S GOING OUT. SHE'S GOING OUT. THEY DON'T NEED TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS ON X, Y, AND Z. MY OPINION, THE COMMUNITY EXPECTS US TO GET THIS WORK DONE. I READ IN THE NEWS THAT THE CITY OF MARCO ISLAND JUST HAD A LOSS ON A A CITY MANAGER. THAT CITY MANAGER WAS QUOTED IN THE PAPER SAYING HE JUST CAN'T GET STUFF DONE HERE. I'M PARAPHRASING. JUST CAN'T GET STUFF DONE. JUST WHATEVER THE REASON AND THE OBSTACLES THAT JUST CAN'T GET IT DONE, WE DON'T NEED TO BE LIKE THAT. WE KNOW WHAT THE ASK IS. WE'VE GOT VERY COMPETENT PEOPLE THAT REGARDLESS OF THE LETTERS THAT SOME LETTERS BEING SENT, BUT WE'VE GOT VERY COMPETENT PEOPLE MAKING UP OUR BOARDS AND COMMITTEES, ADVISORY GROUPS. THEY CAN HANDLE THIS. THEY CAN. THEY CAN LISTEN. THEY CAN READ. THEY PREPARE THEMSELVES FOR THE OFFICE THAT THEY'RE ABOUT TO TAKE. I GIVE THEM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT THERE. SO, MADAM MAYOR, FOR ME, WE MOVE AHEAD. WE MAKE SURE THAT WE GIVE WE DON'T START THROWING CURVEBALLS TO OUR STAFF, TO THE COMMITTEES, THE BOARDS. THEY KNOW THAT WHEN WE HAVE DISCUSSED AN ITEM AND DIRECTION HAS BEEN GIVEN BY CITY COUNCIL THERE TO MOVE FORWARD AND ACT WITH WHATEVER THE SENSE, THE APPROPRIATE SENSE OF URGENCY MIGHT BE. THAT'S THE WAY WE TAKE CARE OF BUSINESS HERE IN THE CITY OF NAPLES. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. SO I'M GOING TO MAKE A FUNNY HERE, BUT IN PAST A MAYOR OR A COUNCIL MEMBER THAT KNEW THEY WERE LEAVING REALLY FORGED THEIR AGENDA TO GET COMPLETE. [04:00:08] SO I. I'VE NEVER HEARD OF US SAYING THERE'S GOING TO BE A NEW COUNCIL, SO WE SHOULD PROBABLY NOT GET FINISH OUR THINGS BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT OF OF THE ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT'S GOING OUT TO, TO SEE POLICY THROUGH. BUT WITH THAT, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO LAUGH. ANYONE ELSE? KRAMER. I APPRECIATE ALL THE COMMENTS. WHAT THE VICE MAYOR SAID. I, I DO AGREE WE DON'T WANT TO GET INTO A AD HOC SITUATION. BY THE SAME TOKEN, I THINK THERE ARE LINES OF DEMARCATION IN ANY ORGANIZATION WHERE YOU DO HAVE START AND STOP POINTS. AND I THINK I'M, I DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY TO FALL ON MAYOR ON ON THE NA ON THAT PART, BUT FOR US, I WAS JUST THINKING IT'S ME COMING IN. I WOULD I WOULD NOT WANT TO COME IN ON THE SECOND READING OF SOMETHING AS CONTROVERSIAL AS THIS IN THE CITY, QUITE HONESTLY. AND I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT TO WHOEVER WINDS UP SITTING HERE. AND SO I, I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE GO WITH THE REVISED SCHEDULE. AND ONCE THAT NEW COUNCIL IS SEATED, LET THEM HEAR BOTH SIDES BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO GET HAMMERED. THIS ISN'T LIKE THIS ISN'T SOMETHING EASY. YEAH. AND SO THAT'S WHERE I AM I THINK WE SHOULD SHOULD HOWEVER IT GOES WITH THE ANYWAY. YEAH THAT HAPPENED TO ME WHEN I FIRST STARTED AND BUT I FELT IT COMPELLED WHEN I WAS ON COUNCIL TO FOLLOW, EVEN THOUGH I WAS IN THE MIDDLE OF A CAMPAIGN. FOLLOW WHAT WAS HAPPENING AT COUNCIL. YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND AND WAS PREPARED BECAUSE MY FIRST MEETING WHEN WE SECOND READING'S FIRST DISCUSSION OR END OF DISCUSSIONS. IT WAS A LOT. SO IT'S HARD. BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T STOP BUSINESS JUST BECAUSE OF CHANGING OF GUARD OR CHANGING OF OF OF MEMBERS. SO I AGREE WITH THAT. I'M JUST I'M JUST MORE COMFORTABLE IF WE WOULD HAVE BOTH BOTH READINGS WITH THE SEATED COUNCIL. RIGHT. TO THAT POINT, WHICH. THANK YOU. IT WAS A VERY GOOD POINT. MR. MCCONNELL, DID YOU SAY THAT YOU COULD I FORGET THAT TIMELINE? IT WAS I MEAN, I WROTE IT DOWN THAT YOU COULD GO TO THE NA MEETING ON THE 20TH. NO. ARE YOU ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE THE REVISED WELL, THE SCHEDULE NOW, DID YOU. THE SCHEDULE, NOT THE SCHEDULE. NOW, I WAS PLANNING ON GOING ON THE ON THE 20TH, BUT I TO BE CLEAR, I NEVER ACTUALLY GOT DIRECTION TO GO ON THE 20TH. I WAS JUST GOING TO GO TO THE SOONEST AVAILABLE NA MEETING. I DON'T THINK SO. THE DIRECTION WAS TO GO AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE, SO I WAS JUST GOING AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE, BUT I NEVER ACTUALLY GOT DIRECTION TO GO TO THE NOVEMBER 20TH MEETING IF ANYTHING. MAYOR WHEN THIS CAME UP LAST TIME, THERE WERE QUESTIONS AS TO WHO WOULD BE GOING TO THE MEETING. WOULD I BE GOING BY MYSELF? COORDINATION WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE? SO I WAS JUST MOVING AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE, BUT THE REVISED OR THE PROPOSED AND AGAIN, OPEN TO DOING WHATEVER A MAJORITY OF COUNCIL WANTS ME TO DO. WOULD BE GOING ON JANUARY 15TH TO THE NA MEETING AFTER BOTH BOARD MEMBERS, SINCE THEY'RE STAGGERED, HAVE BEEN SWORN IN OR HOWEVER THEY OPERATE PAB ON FEBRUARY 11TH. FIRST READING MARCH 4TH CITY COUNCIL SECOND READING MARCH 18TH. OKAY. I THOUGHT FEBRUARY 11TH. FEB FEBRUARY 11TH PAB CORRECT. ALTHOUGH AGAIN THEY'RE APPROVING THEIR CALENDAR NEXT WEEK, SO THAT PPAB MEETING IN FEBRUARY IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE. HOWEVER, IT WOULD BE MARCH 4TH CITY COUNCIL MARCH 18TH, CITY COUNCIL FOR SECOND READING, AND I APOLOGIZE. I DID SAY EVERYBODY WAS ON THEIR PHONES, BUT THE VICE MAYOR WENT STRAIGHT TO HIS PHONE TO LOOK FOR MINUTES. SO I I WANT TO I'M SORRY YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE MENTION THAT I REVIEWED MINUTES, AND WHEN IT CAME TO THE REVISION OF THE PROCESSES THAT THE AIRPORT, THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY AND THE AIRPORT IN PLANNING, PLANNING PROCESSES FOR STRUCTURES, ETC., THE KIND OF PLANNING THINGS THAT COME INTO THE CITY. I WANTED TO VERIFY, BUT MR. ROZANSKI, IN THE MINUTES SO THIS CAN BE PRODUCED RECOGNIZES THAT THINGS CHANGE FROM TIME TO TIME, ALTHOUGH HISTORICALLY CERTAIN THINGS WEREN'T REQUIRED. I TAKE YOU BACK TO THE COMMENTS. COUNCILMAN KRAMER OF THE THE TYPE OF COLOR CODING. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE THE PHRASE, BUT IT WAS CLIP ART AND MR. [04:05:03] ROZANSKI SAID, YOU KNOW, THAT HAS HISTORICALLY BEEN THE WAY. BUT IF CHANGES NEED TO HAPPEN, THAT'S FINE. THAT'S FINE. SO EVERYONE KNOWS WE'VE BEEN VERY CLEAR IN OUR DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS AND WHAT'S COMING. SO I WAS REFERRING TO THE PROCESS OF US MOVING FORWARD WHEN WE MET LAST IN OCTOBER. BUT THANK YOU. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE COMMENT THAT THIS IS REALLY A CLARIFICATION OF A PROCESS WE ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE. AND IT WAS UNANIMOUS. YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS WE WERE NOT STRAYING OUTSIDE OF THAT. WE'RE JUST PUTTING REQUIREMENTS DOWN VERSUS CLIPART. AND, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE WHY. YOU KNOW, WHY WE EVEN NEED TO GO TO THE NA THAT BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN, I THINK, WORKING IN GOOD FAITH WITH CHRIS ROZANSKI AND AND THEIR ATTORNEY. SO IT'S THIS IS THIS IS SORT OF OUR INTERNAL PROCESS ON WHAT, HOW WE HOW WE PROCESS THESE PETITIONS THAT COME FORWARD, THESE SITE PLANS THAT COME FORWARD FROM THE AIRPORT. YOU KNOW, I WOULD IMAGINE THAT CHRIS WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, DISCUSSIONS WITH HIS BOARD. BUT THAT, YOU KNOW, IS IS SOMETHING THAT HE WOULD HE WOULD DO ON HIS OWN. SO, SO I'M NOT SURE WHY WHY, YOU KNOW, WHY WE HAVE TO USE THAT STEP TO WAIT. NOW THAT I'M THINKING ABOUT IT, JUST EVEN THIS THIS GOES BACK TO DISCUSSIONS. I REMEMBER SEEING TAPES WITH GARY PRICE ON THERE SAYING, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M SAYING. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT IT GOES IT GOES THAT FAR BACK, AND WE'RE JUST THIS IS REALLY OUR PROCESS AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT DOCUMENTED. YEAH. AND I THINK THE UNLESS I'M WRONG. NO. AGAIN I HAVE I JUST WANT CLEAR DIRECTION FROM A MAJORITY OF YOU TO DO WHAT YOU EXPECT ME TO DO. THAT'S THE ONLY REASON WHY I BROUGHT IT UP. I DON'T REALLY HAVE A DECISION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. YEAH. AND I'M I'M I'M WAFFLING, YOU KNOW, I'M, I MEAN, I'D PREFER SOONER THAN LATER BECAUSE IT IS OURS. AND I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT PETITIONS TO COME IN SO SLOPPY AGAIN. THE ONLY THING I WANTED TO MY THOUGHT PROCESS ON GOING TO THE NA WHEN COUNCIL AGREED TO DO IT WAS WAS MULTIFACETED. NUMBER ONE THE LEASES WITH THE NA THE BOARD. NUMBER TWO, THERE ARE SITUATIONS IN WHICH I DON'T THINK GARY AND I, AS YOUR CITY MANAGER AND CITY ATTORNEY, WOULD WANT TO MAKE DECISIONS ON SOMETHING THAT CITY COUNCIL SHOULD DO. SO I THINK THE BOARD PRESENTING IT TO THE BOARD AND GETTING BUY IN FROM THE BOARD, YOUR TENANT IN THE LEASE WAS AN IMPORTANT THING TO DO BECAUSE IT'S THEIR TENANTS AT THE AIRPORT THAT ARE APPLYING FOR THINGS, WHETHER THAT'S A SITE PLAN AND IT'S THEIR UTILIZATION PLAN THAT THEY'RE PRESENTING TO YOU, BUT THEY DON'T PRESENT. IT'S ALWAYS CHRIS AND COMPANY THAT PRESENT THOSE PLANS, THE ANY THAT'S APPROVED BY THE. BUT AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME CLARITY AS TO WHY I INITIALLY SUGGESTED IT. I THINK ANOTHER AVENUE OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT FROM THEIR TENANTS. THIS IS A PROCESS THAT WE'RE TRYING TO CLARIFY FOR ALL PARTIES INVOLVED. I'M NEVER AFRAID OF MORE PUBLIC HEARINGS, BUT IF IF COUNCIL WISHES TO 86 THAT IDEA AGAIN, I'M OPEN TO WHATEVER DIRECTION. I MEAN, I THINK ALL OF US WANT TO HAVE AS MUCH PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AS POSSIBLE, BUT WE ALSO DON'T WANT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, MAJOR SITE PLANS COME THROUGH IN THE MANNER THAT THEY HAVE BEEN COMING THROUGH. INCONSISTENT. INCOMPLETE CLIP. ARTY AND UNABLE TO BE REALLY UNDERSTAND. YOU KNOW, WHAT IS BEING BUILT THERE AND WHAT IS ITS IMPACT ON THE COMMUNITY. THAT'S ALL I'M TRYING TO PREVENT. YEAH. WHEN DO WE MAKE THIS DECISION AND GIVE THE DIRECTION? I'M SORRY. WHAT WAS THAT? MAYOR. WHEN DID WE MAKE THIS DECISION AND GIVE THIS DIRECTION? BECAUSE I'M ACTUALLY BEING REFRESHED IN MY MEMORY OF. OF WHY? WE ACTED THE WAY WE DID. AND YOU SUGGESTED GOING TO THE NA. THERE'S SOMETHING ABOUT THAT THAT JUST DIDN'T FIT RIGHT FOR WHAT YOU JUST SAID. IF. PETRANOFF SAID IT'S ABOUT A PROCESS THAT'S IN PLACE THAT NEEDED TO BE CLARIFIED, WHICH YOU SUGGESTED BY RESOLUTION. THEN WHAT WOULD IT MATTER WHETHER IT WAS AN OLD COUNCIL OR A NEW COUNCIL, OR AN OLD NA BOARD, OR A NEW NA BOARD? BECAUSE THIS IS ABOUT THE CITY'S PROCESSES. [04:10:05] THAT PER SOMEBODY SAYING THIS IS THE WAY WE NORMALLY DO IT, BUT IT WAS CLEAR BY YOUR MEMO THAT THE PROCESS WASN'T CORRECT. SO NOW GETTING INTO A LITTLE BIT DEEPER, WHY WOULDN'T WE JUST MOVE FORWARD AND GETTING THIS CLARIFIED? AND GET IT COMPLETED? I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE NOW WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT POLITICAL. THAT CONCERNS ME. AND I MEAN THIS RESPECTFULLY. I THINK THAT QUESTION IS BETTER ADDRESSED TO COUNCIL BECAUSE THAT'S A POLICY, A POLICY DECISION. OKAY. AGAIN, I'M WILLING TO DO WHAT A MAJORITY OF YOU HAVE DONE. I'VE BEEN KEEPING NOTES. I'VE HEARD EVERYONE SPEAK, BUT YEAH, IT'S NOT MY DECISION TO MAKE. MAYOR. I'M JUST HERE TO DO WHAT A MAJORITY OF YOU WISH. YEAH, AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED. AND IT'S PROBABLY THE, YOU KNOW, MY RECALL OR YOUR RECALL. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE DIRECTION WAS AND WHERE WE WERE GOING AND WHY WE'RE TAKING THIS TURN NOW. AND IF IT'S BECAUSE THE DIRECTION THAT I RECALL AND IF YOU HAVE TO PIECE IT TOGETHER OVER CORRESPONDENCES AND COMMUNICATIONS OVER LIKE A 2 OR 3 MEETING SPAN. RIGHT. AND IT STARTED WHEN WE RESCINDED THE RESOLUTION THAT WE ADOPTED BEFORE SUMMER. SO THAT SPARKED A CONVERSATION. AND THEN WE MADE IT CLEAR AT THAT MEETING THAT ALL THESE ORDINANCES ARE DOING ARE CLARIFYING WHAT WE BELIEVE THE COMP PLAN AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SAY, PURSUANT TO OUR LEGAL OPINION, WE THINK CLARITY IS GOOD FOR ALL PARTIES. SO COUNCIL RESCINDED THAT RESOLUTION. AND THEN THERE WAS A COMMENT, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IN CORRESPONDENCES AND COMMUNICATION ON BACK TO BACK MEETINGS RELATED TO THE AIRPORT, I BELIEVE MISS PENNIMAN WAS ABSENT FOR ONE OF THOSE BUT IT WAS DIRECTED FROM COUNCIL MEMBER PETRANOFF THAT MADE A MOTION, AND I BELIEVE GARY WAS HERE FOR IT. THAT KIND OF DIRECTED THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO TAKE THE LEAD ON FINALIZING THE ORDINANCES AND TRY TO PUSH THEM THROUGH AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. HOWEVER, THAT DISCUSSION INCLUDED WHETHER OR NOT TO PRESENT IT TO THE FAA. AND MY RECOLLECTION IS THAT A CONSENSUS OF YOU. I ALMOST WANT TO GO AS FAR AS SAYING, EVERY ONE OF YOU TOLD ME TO DO THAT, AND AGREED THAT THIS SHOULD BE PUSHED AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE, SCHOOL. THEN AT THE NEXT MEETING, I. THE DIRECTION WAS FOR GARY AND I TO WORK OUT A TIMELINE AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU ALL. AT THAT NEXT MEETING WE DID AND CORRESPONDENCES AND WE SAID, HEY, NEXT MEETING AND A MEETING IS NOVEMBER 20TH. IT WAS A SUGGESTION WE MADE BECAUSE, AGAIN, COUNCIL MEMBER PETRANOFF WAS FOCUSED ON MAKING THIS A PRIORITY. AND WE KIND OF LAID OUT A TIMELINE. NOW, WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT CITY COUNCIL. WE SIMPLY JUST TALKED ABOUT PRESENTING IT TO THE NA. THEN THERE WERE COMMENTS ON WHO WOULD BE PRESENTING IT. WOULD I BE? WOULD IT JUST BE ME? WHY AM I GOING BY MYSELF? SHOULD I WORK WITH THE CITY MANAGER? THOSE COMMENTS CAME UP. DON'T RECALL WHAT MY ANSWER WAS, BUT NOW WE'RE HERE AT THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING AND I'M JUST CLARIFYING THE DIRECTION, WHICH I THINK I'VE HEARD. BUT SO DO YOU HAVE THE RESOLUTION OR THE ORDINANCE PREPARED? THERE ARE TWO ORDINANCES, AND NO. OKAY. AND WHERE ARE YOU IN BEING ABLE TO DO THAT? BECAUSE WE. THIS WOULD HAVE BEEN THE PERFECT MEETING FOR US TO REVIEW IT. I GUESS WE DIDN'T DO A VERY GOOD JOB AT THE TIMELINE. YEAH, IT WAS NEVER TOLD TO PRESENT THEM HERE, OR ELSE I WOULD HAVE DONE MY BEST AND WORKED AS HARD AS POSSIBLE TO DO SO. NOT KNOWING WHERE COUNSEL IS GOING TO GO ON THIS. ANDREW AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THEM. WE HAD ONLY ONE MEETING WITH EVERYONE'S SCHEDULE WITH MR. ROZANSKI, BILL OWENS. TO JUST KIND OF GET ANY LAST MINUTE COMMENTS. OUR PLAN WAS TO PUT THEM IN SOMEWHAT AS BEST AS WE COULD WITH THE TIMELINE ORDINANCE FORMAT, SIT DOWN WITH STAFF JUST TO DISCUSS THE CRITERIA ONE MORE TIME AND THEN PRESENT THEM ON THE 20TH. BUT AGAIN, THIS ALL WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN IN THE NEXT. ROZANSKI YOU'RE GOING TO MEET WITH ROZANSKI AND OWENS ONE MORE TIME. NO CITY STAFF. STUFF. THERE'S NO NEED TO MEET WITH ROZANSKI AND BILL OWENS AGAIN. THE IDEA WAS TO MEET WITH PLANNING CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE ANDREW. BECAUSE REALLY, IT SHOULD BE MANAGER AND THEN PLANNING BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, JUST TO STAY IN ORDER. SO. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THE CLARITY IN THE SAME. YEAH. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE COMPARTMENTALIZED. HE REACHED OUT AND SAID, WE'RE TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE READY TO GET TOGETHER AND SAID, YES, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING NEXT. AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT? [04:15:01] I MEAN, YEAH, I MEAN, JUST TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO BE. YEAH. LET'S GET VERY SPECIFIC HERE. I HAD A MEETING WITH ROZANSKI, BILL OWENS, ME AND ANDREW. MY NEXT PHONE CALL AFTER THAT MEETING WAS DIRECTLY TO THE CITY MANAGER, NOT TO PLANNING, NOT TO ANYONE ELSE, DIRECTLY TO THE CITY MANAGER. AND I SAID, HEY, GARY, WE'RE MOVING SOME THINGS AROUND. WE MAY BE ADDING SOME THINGS, BUT I WANT TO HAVE A MEETING WITH INTERNALLY BEFORE GOING TO THE NA. GARY SAID NO PROBLEM, LET ME KNOW WHEN THAT'S WHERE THE CONVERSATION ENDED. WHAT DO YOU MEAN MOVING SOME THINGS AROUND? OKAY, SO WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU, FOR EXAMPLE, HAD A 4636 A AS A NEW SECTION FOR SITE PLANS. THAT'S NOT, IN OUR OPINION, THE WAY YOU WRITE CODE. SO INSTEAD OF 4633 A IT'S 4649. IT'S MAKING IT AN ADOPTABLE PIECE OF LEGISLATION. OKAY. I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT MOVING THINGS AROUND MEANT. MOVING IN REFERENCE TO HOW THE ORDINANCE READS. CORRECT. THANK YOU. OKAY, MAYBE THIS DISCUSSION IS KIND OF IS THEORETICAL AT THIS POINT, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE FOUR PEOPLE THAT WANT TO, YOU KNOW DELAY THIS UNTIL WE. UNTIL MARCH, UNTIL THE FINAL READING OF MARCH. UNLESS WE'RE STILL IN THE DISCUSSION PHASE. SO YEAH, LET ME LET ME GO ASK. SO IS THERE A PROJECT THAT'S COMING UP THAT NEEDS APPROVAL THAT WE ARE UNCLEAR ON HOW IT'S GOING TO BE APPROVED IF IT'S NOT PUT IN WRITING? IT IS. IT IS A GOOD QUESTION. AND YOU ASKED SO I'LL JUST SAY IT SO THAT IT'S CRYSTAL CLEAR BECAUSE I TOLD GARY THE SAME THING. IF A PROJECT CAME IN TOMORROW, MY LEGAL OPINION IS THAT IT WOULD NEED TO BE PROCESSED IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR OPINION, PERIOD. SO. MAYOR, IF I MAY, PLEASE, I WOULD JUST SAY THIS OUT OF RESPECT STRONGLY THAT THEY WANT TO SEE THIS THING THROUGH. AND THIS IS REALLY I'LL ROLL WITH YOU. IF THIS IS A BIG DEAL TO YOU, LET ME KNOW AND I'LL. I'LL SAY OKAY. I DON'T NECESSARILY AGREE WITH IT, BUT IF IT IS, I'LL, I'LL SAY, OKAY, QUITE HONESTLY. YEAH. AND BECAUSE, BECAUSE I, BECAUSE I DO AGAIN I SEE BOTH SIDES OF IT. I SEE IF YOU STARTED IT, YOU WANT TO FINISH IT AND OKAY. SO IF YOU NEED THANK YOU. JUST TELLING YOU I CAN I I'M SORRY. YEAH. SO I THINK, I THINK THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE ISSUES HERE IN TERMS OF THE TIMELINE AND PROCESS. ONE WAS WHEN, WHEN WHEN MR. MCCONNELL SHOULD GO TO THE NCAA BOARD, AND THE OTHER WAS THE TIMING AROUND THE FIRST AND SECOND READING OF THE ORDINANCES. I YOU KNOW. I DON'T FEEL IF, IF, IF THE IF IT'S THE WILL OF COUNCIL THE MAJORITY OF COUNCIL TO HAVE MR. MCCONNELL BEGIN THE PROCESS WITH THE ANY BOARD ON NOVEMBER 20TH. I'M NOT. I DON'T FEEL THAT STRONGLY ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. I DO THINK, THOUGH, THAT IT BEGS THE QUESTION THAT BECAUSE THERE WILL BE TWO NEW PEOPLE ON THAT BOARD POST NOVEMBER 20TH, IT ALMOST SETS UP A, AN OBLIGATION TO FOR US TO GO BACK TO THE MR. MCCONNELL, GO BACK TO THE BOARD AT AT A SUBSEQUENT MEETING WHEN THE TWO NEW BOARD MEMBERS ARE THERE TO IN INVOLVE THEM IN THE PROCESS, OR MAYBE LET ME JUST FINISH OR MAYBE MEET WITH THEM SEPARATELY BECAUSE YOU KNOW THEY, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY NEED TO BE MADE AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON. THE, THE QUESTION OF, OF WHEN WE HAVE A FIRST AND SECOND READING. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PAB WITH THIS. CORRECT. AND AND WHAT IS THE EARLIEST THAT THAT COULD OCCUR? I THOUGHT IT WAS JANUARY. WE DO HAVE TO GO TO THE PAB BECAUSE IT AMENDS THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. EARLIEST WE COULD GO. I MEAN, TECHNICALLY, IS DECEMBER 11TH. DECEMBER, WHICH WOULD BE THE NEXT MEETING. BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO BE REALISTIC WITH THANKSGIVING AGENDAS BEING PUBLISHED. YEAH. I'M JUST. YEAH. SO THAT'S A FOR A SECOND, LET'S ASSUME, BECAUSE AGAIN, THE CALENDAR MAY ANSWER SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS. IT GOES TO PAB IN DECEMBER. THAT MEANS IT WOULD COME TO COUNCIL FOR FOR A FIRST READING IN JANUARY. [04:20:04] AND A SECOND READING WOULD NOT OCCUR UNTIL MARCH. FEBRUARY, TECHNICALLY LATE FEBRUARY AFTER THE ELECTION. CORRECT? THAT'S THE QUICKEST. YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT'S I DON'T THINK IT'S GREAT PRACTICE TO HAVE A FIRST READING WITH ONE COUNCIL AND A SECOND READING WITH ANOTHER. BUT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT DEPENDS ON, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THAT THE ISSUE OF BRIEFING THE BOARD WHEN AND HOW IS REALLY LESS OF AN ISSUE TO ME THAN THE ISSUE OF WHEN WE WOULD WHEN AND HOW WE WOULD REVIEW THE ORDINANCES. I WANT TO PUT THIS INTO PERSPECTIVE NOW. WE ARE GOING WE HAVE WORKED WITH THE NA AND MR. ROZANSKI OUT OF MUTUAL RESPECT IN MAKING SURE WE UNDERSTAND THE PROCESSES THAT. WERE NOT FOLLOWED, AND ALL WE'RE DOING IS CLARIFYING COUNCIL'S PROCESSES IN WRITING. SO I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED ON WHY WE WOULD HAVE TO GO BACK TO THE NA. I MEAN, THIS IS HOW OUR STAFF RECEIVES A PETITION AND THE PROCESS THAT IT GOES THROUGH FOR APPROVAL. SO, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T GO JUST TO STAFF AND DRB. IT WOULD GO TO STAFF, DRB AND COUNCIL, WHICH IS THE WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE, PER THE DICKMAN LETTER, PER OUR CODES, PER THE COMP PLAN, WHICH IS THE TRUTH. SO I WE'RE KIND OF SPINNING OUR WHEELS ON THIS. CAN I MENTION ONE THING, MAYOR? YES, SIR. BECAUSE. OKAY. AND I KNOW YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THESE ORDINANCES. NO ONE REALLY HAS, BECAUSE WE'RE STILL DRAFTING THEM, BUT JUST HIGH LEVEL CONCEPT. AND OBVIOUSLY EVERYTHING IS SUBJECT TO CHANGE BASED ON WHAT COUNCIL WANTS, RIGHT, WITH THESE ORDINANCES. BUT PROCESS WISE, THE WHOLE IDEA OF SENDING IT TO THE NAR IS TO GET BUY IN FROM YOUR TENANT, RIGHT? BECAUSE IT'S THEIR TENANTS. NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, HYPOTHETICALLY, BECAUSE NOTHING'S BEEN APPROVED. BUT BIG PICTURE, THIS IS JUST WHERE MY MIND GOES PROCESS WISE UTILIZATION. LET'S JUST ASSUME A UTILIZATION PLAN IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT COUNCIL WANTS IS APPROVED TOMORROW. RIGHT. SO YOU HAVE A 2025 UTILIZATION PLAN. THEN YOU HAVE A TENANT COMING IN FOR A SITE PLAN AND SOMETHING THAT WAS FUTURE DESIGNATED FOR DEVELOPMENT. NOW THAT SITE PLAN WOULD FIRST GO TO NAR. WHO WOULD HAVE TO CONFIRM THAT THIS WHAT THEY'RE BUILDING IS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE LAST UTILIZATION PLAN THAT COUNCIL APPROVED BEFORE IT EVEN WENT TO PLANNING BOARD SO THAT YOU GET BUY IN FROM YOUR TENANT THAT WE'RE NOT PROCESSING SOMETHING THAT THEY DON'T EVEN BELIEVE. MR. UTILIZATION PLAN. NOW, IF IT DOESN'T MEET THE UTILIZATION PLAN, THEN A CORRESPONDING APPLICATION WITH THAT SITE PLAN WOULD BE AN AMENDMENT TO THE UTILIZATION PLAN. RIGHT. SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE THOUGHT OF GETTING NAR INVOLVED IS NOT NOT THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE WHATEVER ORDINANCES YOU WANT, BUT IT'S BECAUSE THESE ARE THEY ARE OUR TENANT AND THESE ARE THEIR TENANTS. AND I THINK THE NAR SHOULD HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING LIKE MEETS THE UTILIZATION PLAN OR DOESN'T BEFORE IT EVEN GETS TO COUNCIL, JUST LIKE PAB RECOMMENDS TO YOU. HOW ABOUT IF IT MEETS THE COMP PLAN? THAT'S A CITY FUNCTION, RIGHT? BUT WHAT IT CAN PLAN, IT'S PART OF OUR CODE THAT THEY PRESENT A UTILIZATION PLAN. CORRECT? NO, NO ONE'S SAYING YEAH. OTHERWISE I'M TALKING ABOUT SITE SPECIFIC SITE PLANS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE UTILIZATION PLAN THAT'S BEEN APPROVED BY COUNCIL. TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT APPLICATIONS. SO I JUST THROW THAT OUT THERE. YES, SIR. IF OUR IN MY VIEW, IF OUR ATTORNEY THINKS THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT, WE HAVE TO TRUST HIM THAT WE HIRED HIM. AND HE'S THE EXPERT AND KNOWS THAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. FOR ME. IT'S THAT SIMPLE. I THINK HE'S ALREADY MADE HIS STATEMENT. REALLY? WHERE THIS FALLS IS ON THE CITY MANAGER MAKING SURE THAT STAFF FOLLOWS WHAT THE ATTORNEY HAS ALREADY STATED AS A PROCESS. UNDERSTOOD. AGAIN, IF HE IF HE BELIEVES THAT WE'RE A STOP AT THE NA IS THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS, THEN I SUPPORT THAT. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. YEAH, I, I SUPPORTED IT BEFORE. OKAY. AS LONG AS THE TEAM WAS, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS THE MANAGER AND THE ATTORNEY WERE WORKING TOGETHER MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE IT'S A TWO, [04:25:05] YOU KNOW. WELL, GOOD. SO BUT YES, MR. YOUNG. WELL, THERE'S A LOT TO UNPACK THERE. BUT BUT I THINK LET ME JUST TRY HERE. SO, SO FROM THE STANDPOINT OF MOVING FORWARD, THE SOONER THAT THE COMP PLAN AND THE CODE IS IN ALIGNMENT WITH OUR PROCEDURES, THE BETTER, BECAUSE ANY STATEMENT THAT SAYS THAT WE HAVE TO DO OUR PROCESSES THAT ADHERES WITH THE LETTER, THEY'RE STILL AMBIGUOUS PROCESSES AT BEST. AND SO THE DILEMMA TO YOUR QUESTION, MADAM MAYOR, IS, IS THAT IF THE PROJECT CAME THROUGH RIGHT NOW, WE ARE IN A QUANDARY AND WE WILL PROCESS IT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, YOU ARE ALREADY STILL RELYING ON A UTILIZATION PLAN THAT WAS ADOPTED THAT YOU WEREN'T HAPPY WITH, AND YOU NEVER GET OFF THAT DIME. AND SO MOVING FORWARD WITH GETTING TO THE POINT OF HAVING DEFINITIONS. CRITERIA AND THE REASON TO GO TO NA AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS, AT LEAST TO THE EXTENT THAT WE HAVE ALREADY. AND THEN I'LL LET EVERYONE DIFFER ON HOW THEY WHETHER THEY FEEL WE SHOULD GO TO THE BOARD. BUT KEEPING IN MIND THAT WE CATEGORIZE CERTAIN THINGS IN THIS NEW PROCESS TO AS SOON AS WE BUILD BETWEEN COMP PLAN AND CODE TO RECOGNIZE THERE ARE CERTAIN IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE ESSENTIAL AND SHOULDN'T TAKE THE NORMAL PATH, BECAUSE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EXPANSION, IT HAS TO DO WITH SAFETY. SO THAT IDENTIFICATION AND MAKING SURE YOU'VE IDENTIFIED EVERY ONE OF THOSE HAS BEEN THE PROJECT OVER THE SUMMER. SO TAKING THAT ONE STEP FURTHER AND JUST LIKE I WOULD SAY, TWO STEPS, ONE GIVING YOU THE OPPORTUNITY, DO WE FORGET SOMETHING THAT WE OTHERWISE DIDN'T HAVE? AND TWO, THE NA AA BOARD, GIVING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, CHRIS, THIS ISN'T ON THERE. AND SO YOU GUYS RIGHTFULLY SO, SECOND GUESS US AND FIND THINGS THAT WE DON'T. SO HAVING THEM HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WHETHER WE CARRY THE WATER, MEANING THE CITY ATTORNEY AND I TO AN AA MEETING OR MR. ROSANSKY GIVING THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW IT IN A PUBLIC FORUM, AND HAVING VETTED THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING. I THINK IT CAN BE A BENEFICIAL THING. HOWEVER, HAVING HIM CARRY IT AND US NOT BE IN THE ROOM ALLOWS FOR. IT'D BE LIKE HAVING A QUASI JUDICIAL AND SAY THE APPLICANT ISN'T. YOU KNOW, WE'RE TRYING TO SAY WE WANT TO PUT THIS IN PLACE AND HERE'S WHY. SO BE ABLE TO ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS HAS BENEFITS. AND SO FROM MY STANDPOINT, I THINK THE ENTIRE PROCESS HAS MERITS. IT'S IT'S WHAT FEEDBACK YOU GET DETERMINES THAT LEVEL. AND NOBODY CAN TELL WITHOUT HAVING GONE THROUGH THAT PROCEDURE. SO I HOPE I'VE SUMMARIZED IT IN A WAY THAT MAKES IT LOGICAL GOING FORWARD. AS FAR AS I'M NOT TAKING A STANCE AS TO WHETHER IT SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, THIS COUNCIL LAST COUNCIL FIRST READING, BUT THE PROCESS ITSELF, YOU'RE IN A QUANDARY ON WHAT WE'RE RELYING ON AND THE PRACTICE WE HAVE AT THE MOMENT. SOMETHING APPEARS TOMORROW. AND TO REITERATE MATTHEW'S POINT. SO I GUESS I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT AND FROM THE STANDPOINT OF WHETHER WE GO IN NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER I DO THINK IT'S PARAMOUNT, THOUGH TO HAVE THAT FEEDBACK, IF YOU WHETHER IT BE IN A, YOU KNOW, MEETING OR THE OTHER. I JUST LIKE THE IDEA OF IT, OF IT BEING THE SAME MESSAGE THAT I HEAR TWICE. AND THAT IS THE PART THAT I, I FIND FAVORABLE TO ALL PARTIES IN THIS ROOM AT THE MOMENT, BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF CONVERSATIONS ACROSS THIS CITY THAT AREN'T WE, THAT IS GOING ON OUTSIDE OF THE PUBLIC REALM. AND FOR US TO JUST SAY, WE MET WITH ROZANSKI AND HE FEELS IT'S JUST I THINK IT'S A GOOD DIALOG TO HAVE. IT'S IT'S IT'LL BE A HEALTHY ONE, I THINK, BECAUSE EVERYONE'S GOING INTO IT. HOW DO WE MAKE IT BETTER AND I HOPE I MEAN, I KNOW THAT'S MY POSITION AND I KNOW THAT'S THE WAY MATTHEWS AND THE ENTIRE TEAMS HAVE BEEN AS WE MET OVER THE SUMMER. SO YEAH, THAT'S I'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT WITH THAT PERSPECTIVE. THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANY REASON THAT ON THE 19TH OF NOVEMBER YOU BRING FORWARD THE ORDINANCE TO COUNCIL, YOU GO TO NA ON THE 20TH, YOU GET THEIR FEEDBACK, AND THEN WE CAN HAVE OUR SECOND READING IN DECEMBER. SHE WANTS FIRST READING, WHICH CAN OCCUR WITHOUT PLANNING BOARD BECAUSE IT CHANGES THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO IF I WENT TO ANY BOARD FIRST, IT WOULD BE PLANNING BOARD DECEMBER MEETING. THEY HAVE TO RECOMMEND IT AS WAS THE 13TH I THE 11TH. I THOUGHT YOU SAID WAIT, NOVEMBER. DECEMBER? WELL, WHAT ABOUT NOVEMBER? THAT'S A WEEK FROM TODAY. AND THE AGENDA HAS ALREADY BEEN PUBLISHED. AND LIKE I TOLD YOU, THE ORDINANCES ARE NOT READY. [04:30:05] IT WOULD BE DECEMBER 11TH. ON THE 19TH? NO, IT WOULD HAVE TO COME TO US. YOU, WHICH IS AFTER THE SECOND MEETING IN DECEMBER. SO IT WOULD COME TO YOU ON JANUARY 21ST OR FIRST READING OF THE SECOND READING ON FEBRUARY RADKE. PRIOR TO THE SWEARING IN OR WELL I THINK THIS IS. VICE MAYOR. SO THIS SHOULDN'T BE POLITICAL AT ALL, RIGHT? I THINK WE ALL AGREE THERE. WE JUST LAID OUT A A PROCESS A DATES, KEY DATES. PLANNING BOARD DECEMBER 11TH CITY COUNCIL FIRST READING JANUARY 21ST CITY COUNCIL SECOND READING FEBRUARY 18TH. I BELIEVE WE HAVE KNOWLEDGE THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS A LEGAL OPINION THAT BELIEVES IS APPLICABLE TO ANYTHING THAT COMES TO THE CITY IN TERMS OF HOW THAT'S TO BE PROCESSED. SO THAT LEGAL OPINION. I DON'T WANT TO GET OVER MY SKIS HERE, MISTER YOUNG, THAT LEGAL OPINION WOULD OR WOULD NOT BE FOLLOWED BY OUR CITY STAFF, EVEN IF I FOLLOW IT TO THE TO THE LETTER WOULD REQUIRE US TO RELY ON THE UTILIZATION PLAN THAT YOU'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THE START BECAUSE THERE'S BEEN OKAY. SO THERE'S A DILEMMA IN THAT, IN THAT YOU'RE RELYING ON THE SAME UTILIZATION PLAN THAT WAS QUESTIONED IN THE PROCESS UPON WHICH THE LAST ONE WAS APPROVED. AND LANGUAGE IN THE OPINION CITES THAT IT'S CONTRADICTORY TO THE COMP PLAN, WHICH MEANS THAT EVEN IF I, AS STAFF SAID, WE'RE SENDING IT TO COUNCIL BECAUSE COMP PLAN SAYS IT HAS IT, YOU'RE THEN DOING THE SAME DILIGENCE AS STAFF BASED ON A UTILIZATION PLAN THAT YOU DON'T LIKE ANYTHING ABOUT IN YOUR EVALUATION BECOMES AS COMPLICATED AS STAFF. I HOPE I SUMMARIZED THAT RIGHT, BUT THAT'S THE WAY I SEE IT. SO THAT EXPLANATION, HOW OUR CITY MANAGER JUST STRUGGLED SHOULD PROVIDE YOU COMFORT IN KNOWING JUST HOW MUCH THE CITY NEEDS CLARIFICATION THROUGH THE PROCESSES. OKAY. THROUGH THE FIRST READING AND SECOND READING, BECAUSE THAT WILL CLEAR UP THIS INDECISION, THE GUESSWORK, THE INTERPRETATION THAT WE ALL, YOU KNOW, WE'VE USED THOSE TERMS IN THE PAST, THE THE CANDIDATES. SO NOW THE QUESTION IS, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE GOING INTO OFFICE, WHETHER IT'S THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE NA AND THE THE ASSUMPTION OR THE HYPOTHESIS THAT THEY'RE JUST NOT GOING TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. THERE'S INTERVIEW PROCESSES FOR CANDIDATES ON CITY COUNCIL, NOT INTERVIEW, BUT FORUMS. AND BELIEVE ME, THIS IF THIS ISN'T SETTLED, IF A SECOND READING IS GOING TO BE APPLICABLE TO THAT, THOSE NEW MEMBERS, THEY WILL HAVE ALREADY EDUCATED THEMSELVES AND TAKEN A POSITION, I BELIEVE, ON THE NA BOARD MEMBERS. THEY'RE COMING BEFORE US. THEY WILL BE PREPARED FOR THEIR DUTIES AS NA BOARD MEMBERS. IT'S IT'S COMPLETELY LEGITIMATE. IN OUR INTERVIEW PROCESSES TO TO ASK THEM HOW THEY FEEL ON. THIS PLANNING PROCESS, SITE UTILIZATION PLANS. THESE ARE THINGS THESE FOLKS HAVE TO KNOW ANYWAY IN MY OPINION. AND I THINK THAT EVERYONE OUR CURRENT CITY COUNCIL, OUR CURRENT NA BOARD, OUR FUTURE CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT GET ELECTED AND OUR FUTURE NA A BOARD MEMBERS ARE GOING TO BE WELL. WELL READ AND ADVISED, AND IT'S ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE TO ASK THEM TO SPEAK [04:35:01] ON IT AND SEE WHERE, SEE WHAT ISSUES THAT THEY MAY HAVE OR NOT HAVE. SO I'M WITH YOU, MADAM MAYOR, OF MOVING FORWARD AND HITTING THESE KEY MILESTONES. PLANNING BOARD DECEMBER 11TH, COUNCIL FIRST READING JANUARY 21ST AND COUNCIL SECOND READING FEBRUARY 18TH. THANK YOU. OKAY, WELL, YOU JUST MADE THAT POLITICAL BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE POLITICAL FOR CANDIDATES NOW. BUT IT SHOULDN'T BE BECAUSE THIS IS ABOUT OUR PROCESSES THAT WE'RE CLEAR AND WE'RE JUST DEFINING THEM. SO I FIND THIS TO BE KIND OF IRONIC. WE SHOULD JUST DO WHAT'S RIGHT AND AND NOT AND MOVE FORWARD IN CLARIFICATION. SO IS THERE FURTHER CONVERSATION. WE NEED TO WRAP THIS UP. BARTON I'LL BE REAL QUICK. THANK YOU. I'LL TAKE A AS I MENTIONED, THERE'S ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDES AND I THINK THERE ARE LEGITIMATE ARGUMENTS ON BOTH SIDES. SO I CAN PROMISE YOU I WON'T LOSE ANY SLEEP. AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY THE, THE WE WERE ALL IN AGREEMENT ANYWAY ON THIS ITEM. SO IT'S NOT IT'S NOT LIKE IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME IF WE PUSH IT AHEAD AND GET IT DONE WITH US, OR IF IT GETS DONE WITH SOMEONE ELSE WITH THE NEXT GROUP. SO AGAIN, I'M NOT GOING TO LOSE ANY SLEEP WITH WHATEVER DECISION WE COME UP WITH HERE TODAY. YEAH, STAY WITH THE PROCESS. OKAY. SO NOW WE'RE ONE TWO, 345, SIX TWO TO MOVE AHEAD WITH THE CALENDAR THAT THE VICE MAYOR OUTLINED IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING NOW. YEAH. WELL. OKAY. OKAY. WELL, NOW I NEED. I THOUGHT I HAD CLARIFICATION, BUT NOW THAT COMPLETELY JUST CHANGED. SO JUST TO CLARIFY ONE MORE TIME, I AM GOING TO THE NA ON NOVEMBER 20TH. I AM GOING TO THE PAB ON JANUARY 14TH. I'M GOING TO FIRST READING OF CITY COUNCIL ON JANUARY 21ST, AND THEN THE SECOND READING WOULD BE JANUARY OR FEBRUARY 18TH. BUT YOU MISSED THE 19TH. I THOUGHT YOU SAID PAB ON DECEMBER 11TH. SO IF THAT DATES CHANGED, I'M SORRY IF THAT'S WE JUST NEED CLARIFICATION ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID. VERIFICATION. IT'S A REQUEST OF COUNCIL. SO I JUST I'M JUST CLARIFYING. SO IF YOU ARE SAYING DECEMBER 11TH THEN I'M PLEASE CORRECT ME. SO NA 1120 PAB DECEMBER 11TH CITY COUNCIL FIRST READING THE 21ST SECOND READING FEBRUARY 18TH. AND IF YOU'RE GOING TO THE NA ON THE 20TH, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GIVE US THAT ORDINANCE THAT YOU'RE TALKING TO THEM ON THE 19TH. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL BE ORDINANCE, ORDINANCE, FORMAT, BUT YES, I WILL SEND THE LANGUAGE TO YOU ALL THE SAME DAY THAT I IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AN ORDINANCE FORMAT. WHAT ARE YOU TAKING TO THE NA. I CAN SEND IT TO YOU WHEN I PREPARE IT AND SEND IT TO THE NA FOR THE AGENDA OR BEFORE. ONCE IT'S READY, I'LL MAKE SURE I SEND IT TO YOU ALL. BUT WHAT WAS PRESENTED TO COUNCIL WAS NOT AN ORDINANCE FORMAT EITHER. WELL, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE AN ORDINANCE FORMAT UNTIL IT'S PRESENTED TO THE PAB. THE CONCEPT OF WHAT'S CHANGING AND THE LANGUAGE THAT'S CURRENTLY IN OUR CODE IS THE WHOLE PURPOSE OF GETTING THE BUY IN TO THE NA. SO I ASSUME THAT YOU ALL TRUST THAT ANDREW AND I AND GARY CAN PUT TOGETHER A PRESENTATION THAT MAKES SENSE TO THE NA TO GET THE FEEDBACK THAT WE ARE REQUESTING, AND THEN PUT IT IN FORMAT WHEN NECESSARY. YES. OKAY, I HEAR YOU. OKAY. NOTHING FURTHER. ARE YOU SURE? THAT WAS EASY. COUNCIL, WE HAVE TO TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK. SO IT'S 120. WE'LL BE BACK IN TEN MINUTES. WE'RE BACK FROM OUR BREAK, AND WE'RE CONTINUING ON IN CORRESPONDENCE AND COMMUNICATIONS. OKAY. MR. MCCONNELL, DO YOU WANT TO COME? SORRY. I DID ACTUALLY HAVE JUST ONE MORE VERY QUICK THING. HEAD NODS ARE OKAY. SO OBVIOUSLY FOR THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY ACT CITY, YOU GUYS MADE THE DECISION TO HIRE JASON UNGER WITH A FIRM OF GRAY ROBINSON, WHICH HAS A LOT OF ATTORNEYS AND LOBBYISTS. I WAS ASKED DURING BREAK IF IT WAS OKAY, HE BELIEVES, TO ADD AT NO ADDITIONAL COST BUT TO REGISTER, BECAUSE IN ORDER TO BE A LOBBYIST FOR A CITY, YOU HAVE TO REGISTER WITH THE STATE TO ACTUALLY ADD ANOTHER LOBBYIST IN THE GRAY ROBINSON [04:40:01] FIRM OUT OF A DIFFERENT OFFICE AS A REGISTERED LOBBYIST WITH THE STATE. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS WERE ALL OKAY WITH THAT SO THAT I CAN CALL HIM AFTER THIS, AND AND IT'LL WORK WITH HE. IT HAS TO GO TO THE CITY MANAGER. BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU GUYS WERE INFORMED AND OKAY WITH THAT. YES. YES. YOU HAVE A YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. NOTHING FURTHER. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG. THANK YOU MAYOR. JUST ONE QUICK ONE. JUST. I MET WITH EVERY MEMBER OF COUNCIL TALKED ABOUT THE PANEL SELECTION FOR THE RFP FOR DEVELOPER ART FOR THE GARAGE I RECEIVED FOR EVERYONE I SPOKE WITH. I HAD RECEIVED UNANIMOUS APPROVAL ON THAT. AND SO FROM MY STANDPOINT, THERE WAS NO REASON TO PUT IT ON THE AGENDA. BUT I DID WANT TO LET EVERYBODY KNOW WE'LL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT AND START THAT PROCESS NEXT MONDAY. IN TERMS OF JUST IDENTIFYING WHO'S IN DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT. SO I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT. AND THEN OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST SEVERAL MEETINGS AND IN PARTICULAR THIS LAST WEEK, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF CORRESPONDENCE ON SECURITY AND SPECIAL EVENTS AND ON STREET SECURITY, ETC.. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WANTED TO DO, I'M GOING TO TRY TO COMPARTMENTALIZE AS BEST I CAN. BUT I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION BECAUSE THERE'S, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE REACHED OUT. AND I'M GOING TO SAY SPECIFICALLY ON THE FARMERS MARKET AND HAVE SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE CAN'T MAINTAIN THE FARMERS MARKET IF IT CONTINUES AT THESE COSTS. NOW, IF WHOEVER'S READ THE EMAIL, THERE WERE SOME LAST MINUTE CHANGES PARTICULAR TO THE FARMERS MARKET. THERE WAS 12 DAYS IN ADVANCE OF THEIR OPENING. AND, YOU KNOW, THE POLICE DEPARTMENT IS HERE TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THOSE SECURITIES ARE. BUT AS YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD MODIFIED SECURITY PLANS IN THE PARKS. AND WHEN WE CLOSE DOWN STREETS AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, INCURRING ADDITIONAL COSTS. SO FIRST I WANT TO IDENTIFY THAT, YES, THAT'S IN EXISTENCE. BUT IN THE SAME TOKEN, I WANTED TO SAY THAT I THINK THAT I WANTED TO GAUGE AS A PRIORITY US COMING BACK TO YOU IF YOU RECALL, WE HAD BOLLARD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT CAMBIER PARK, WHETHER IT WAS IN THE CRA IN THE CAPITAL PLAN. WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT HAVING POTENTIALLY BOLLARDS ON CERTAIN STREETS WHERE EVENTS OCCUR. SO I GUESS I WANTED TO ONE ITEM GET YOUR OPINION AS TO COMING BACK TO HAVE A SEPARATE SECURITY DISCUSSION ON THOSE TWO ITEMS AS IT RELATES TO CLOSING STREETS AND OR CAMBIER PARK TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE BELIEVE WE MAY NEED TO DO FROM A SECURITY PERSPECTIVE. THINK ABOUT THE BUDGET AND DEVELOPING. AND SO IF THERE'S A CONSENSUS AND A WILLINGNESS TO DO THAT, I WOULD ARGUE THAT WE'LL EITHER SHOOT FOR THE NOVEMBER 17TH WORKSHOP OR THE DECEMBER 8TH WORKSHOP TO GET EXAMPLES OF THIS INFORMATION IN FRONT OF YOU, SO WE CAN COMPARTMENTALIZE WHAT WE CAN WANT TO AND SHOULD DO. AND I THINK THE TIMING IS IS PERFECT. YOU KNOW, WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT TODAY ABOUT THE CAMBIER PARK PLAYGROUND. WE KNOW THE BUDGET SITS IN THERE. YOU KNOW, WE WE DON'T KNOW HOW FAR THAT'S GOING TO GO, BUT WE HAVE AN ALLOCATION OF FUNDS. AND SO TO NOT HAVE A PLAN OF WHAT WE WANT TO DO SECURITY WISE BECAUSE IF THERE'S FUNDS AVAILABLE WHEN WE'RE DONE OR SO ON AND SO FORTH, LET'S BE THINKING OF THIS WHOLE THING HOLISTICALLY SO THAT WE'RE IN POSITION TO PIVOT TO THE NEXT ITEM. ONCE WE GET THE RFP AND KNOW WHAT OUR TRUE COSTS ON IT, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE MONEY SET ASIDE FROM THAT, FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. SO IF YOU IF YOU AGREE WITH THAT, OR IF I COULD HAVE CONSENSUS THAT YOU THINK THAT SECURITY INFORMATION IS ESSENTIAL TO, TO HOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD GIVEN OUR QUANTITY OF EVENTS, I WOULD LIKE TO EXPEDITE THAT DISCUSSION. YES YES YES YES YES. YES, YES TO THE BROADER DISCUSSION. BUT WE HAVE A WE HAVE AN IMMEDIATE ISSUE WITH THE FARMER'S MARKET. SO I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO THAT, SIR. YES, SIR. OKAY. OKAY, SO I'M GOOD ON THAT. WE'LL WE'LL GET TOGETHER AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT I'LL LET YOU KNOW FOR SURE WHAT MEETING. SO I WANTED TO GET THAT ONE OUT OF THE WAY. NOW FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF SPECIFICALLY CLOSING THE STREETS. AND THERE WERE SOME ADDED FEATURES, AND I'M GOING TO LET THE POLICE DEPARTMENT SPEAK ABOUT THAT. AND THEN ALSO TO ANOTHER CLOSING OF THE STREETS THAT HAD SOME ADDITIONAL COSTS ATTRIBUTED TO IT WAS THE FIFTH AVENUE BID AS IT PERTAINS TO THEIR TABLE EVENT, I THINK IS WHAT THEY CALL IT, AND I'M NO EXPERT AT IT, BUT BUT IN EITHER CASE, THOSE ARE THE MOST RECENT TWO. AND IT'S NOT ABOUT CAMBIAR AND SECURITY THERE AS MUCH AS IT'S ABOUT BECAUSE WE'RE HAVING IT IN THE STREETS. [04:45:04] AND WHAT THE ADDITIONAL COSTS ATTRIBUTABLE TO THAT IS. SO WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS HAVE LIEUTENANT O'REILLY TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT AND THE TIMELINE IN WHICH THAT OCCURRED, AND THEN WE'LL FOLLOW UP THAT WITH A MORE BROADER DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FARMER'S MARKET. SO DO I NEED TO INTRODUCE MYSELF FOR THIS? NO. YES, SIR. OKAY. LIEUTENANT O'REILLY, NAPLES POLICE DEPARTMENT. JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT HERE, THE TIMELINE, APPROXIMATELY FIVE YEARS, WE APPROACHED CITY STAFF AND WE APPROACHED THE THIRD STREET ASSOCIATION REGARDING THE FARMERS MARKET BECAUSE AS WE ALL KNOW, IT'S A LARGE SCALE EVENT THAT OCCURS WEEKLY ON THIRD STREET, VERY WELL ATTENDED, VERY POPULAR, BUT ALSO VERY POROUS. AND WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO PREVENT VEHICLES FROM COMING IN OTHER THAN THE BARRICADES. WE ASKED FOR A PLAN TO PUT BOLLARDS IN, BUT IN THE ENVIRONMENT BACK THEN, THE SECURITY ENVIRONMENT BACK THEN, IT WASN'T AS MUCH AT THE FOREFRONT. SO IT WAS PUT OFF. TWO YEARS AGO, WE APPROACHED THIRD STREET AGAIN AND BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE THAT THEY NEEDED TO HIRE VEHICLE STOPPING BARRICADES, JUST LIKE THE BID HAS ON FIFTH AVE SOUTH AND THE CARS EVENT ON FIFTH AVE SOUTH. BECAUSE WE HAD NO WAY TO MITIGATE THE RISKS OF CARS DRIVING DOWN THIRD STREET AND COMING INTO THAT CROWD OF VERY NICE PEOPLE HAVING A VERY GOOD TIME. AT THE TIME, STAFF DECIDED IT WAS A BIT OF AN EXPENSE AND A AND A BIT OF AN IMPOSITION ON THE EVENT THAT HAD OCCURRED FOR SO LONG TO MAKE SUCH A DRASTIC CHANGE AT ONCE, WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY TO HAVE THESE BARRICADES EVERY WEEK AND HAVE THE STAFFING FOR THEM. SO THERE WAS SOME COMPROMISE THERE TO ALLOW THE THIRD STREET ASSOCIATION VENDORS, THE THE FARMERS MARKET VENDORS THEMSELVES, TO PARK THEIR VEHICLES IN THE ROADWAY TO BLOCK ACCESS TO PREVENT VEHICLES FROM COMING IN. WE EXPRESSED OUR CONCERNS ABOUT THIS, BUT THE DECISION WAS MADE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT PLAN. FAST FORWARD TO THIS YEAR. WE OBVIOUSLY HAD THE ISSUES THAT WERE EXPOSED BY SOME OTHER THREAT ASSESSMENTS. AND IN REVIEWING THE NOTES, WE NOTICED THAT ALL STREET EVENTS WHERE THERE'S A STREET CLOSURE NEED TO BE CLOSED WITH VEHICLE STOPPING BARRICADES, WHETHER IT'S A CHURCH EVENT DOWN ON SIXTH STREET OR THIRD STREET FARMERS MARKET. THE THIRD STREET FARMER'S MARKET WAS THE LAST EVENT TO BE NOTIFIED OF THIS CHANGE, BECAUSE WE HAD SEVERAL OTHER EVENTS THAT WERE COMING UP IN CANBERRA ON FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH. THAT WAS THAT WE HAD TO GET TO RIGHT AWAY. THE THIRD STREET MARKET CAME UP AFTER THE SEPTEMBER 25TH MEETING WE HAD WITH THEM, WHERE WE APPROVED THEIR CURRENT PLAN THAT THEY HAD FROM THE LAST TWO YEARS TO CONTINUE USING VENDOR VEHICLES. WHEN WE WERE REVIEWING THEIR CHRISTMAS WALK PLAN AND MAKING SURE THEIR BARRICADES WERE CORRECT FOR THAT WHICH THEY DO USE THE VEHICLE STOPPING BARRICADES FOR THE CHRISTMAS WALK, WE REALIZED WE SAID YES, YOU CAN CONTINUE USING VENDOR VEHICLES. NOW YOU MAY ASK AT THIS POINT, WHAT'S WRONG WITH USING VENDOR VEHICLES? THEY'RE LARGE. THEY'RE ACROSS THE ROADWAY. THAT'S GREAT. WE DON'T CONTROL THEM. AND OUR FIRST CONCERN IS, WHAT IF THEY DON'T ALL SHOW UP? OR WHAT IF THEY SHOW UP WITH DIFFERENT CARS? THEY SHOW UP WITH A TOYOTA COROLLA INSTEAD OF A BOX TRUCK, OR IF THEIR TRAILER IS REALLY LIGHT AND CAN BE MOVED BY HAND? OR WHAT IF THEY LEAVE EARLY? SOMETIMES THE VENDORS DO WANT TO LEAVE EARLY AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO HOLD THEM HOSTAGE, SO TO SPEAK, BUT WE DO EXPECT SOME KIND OF RELIABILITY THERE. AND THE ASSURANCES WERE GIVEN TO US THE FIRST YEAR. I THINK WE HAD NO ISSUES WITH THE VENDOR VEHICLES. LAST YEAR WE HAD SOME VENDOR VEHICLES NOT SHOW UP, SOME VEHICLES SHOW UP LATE OR SOME VEHICLES LEAVE EARLY, MOST NOTICEABLY THE LAST EVENT OF THE YEAR, THE INTERSECTION AT THIRD STREET AND BROAD AVE SOUTH, THE BUSIEST LOCATION. NONE OF THOSE VENDORS SHOWED UP AND WE HAD TO MOVE THE POLICE CARS THERE, WHICH, BY THE WAY, ARE NOT RATED TO STOP SPEEDING VEHICLES, NOR ARE THE VENDOR VEHICLES. SO OUR CONCERN IS IF WE USE THE ARCHER BARRICADES OR THE OTHER VEHICLE STOPPING BARRICADES, AS YOU HEARD EARLIER FROM THE CARS ON FIFTH DISCUSSION, THERE'S A 50 FOOT BUFFER ZONE. THAT'S THAT'S REQUIRED. WELL, THAT'S FOR DEVICES THAT ARE INTENDED TO STOP A SPEEDING VEHICLE. NONE OF THESE VENDOR VEHICLES ARE RATED LIKE THAT. SO WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE BUFFER ZONE IS AND HOW FAR THEY'LL STOP AN INCURSION. NOW, THE DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY SAYS YOU CAN USE LARGE UTILITY TRUCKS, WHICH WE USE THIS LAST WEEKEND. YOU CAN USE SCHOOL BUSSES. YOU CAN USE DUMP TRUCKS. ALL THESE THINGS ARE ACCEPTABLE. THEY'RE NOT IDEAL, BUT THEY'RE ACCEPTABLE. IT WORKED THIS LAST WEEKEND. IT WORKED VERY WELL. THE UNFORTUNATE THING IS PEOPLE DON'T APPRECIATE DUMP TRUCKS OR WATER PUMPER TRUCKS OR TRASH TRUCKS AT A FARMER'S MARKET. THEY'RE UNSIGHTLY. THEY TEND TO BE ODIFEROUS SOMETIMES, BUT THEY DO ACCOMPLISH THE JOB. SO OUR CONCERN IS WHAT OPTIONS DO WE HAVE AVAILABLE? OPTION NUMBER ONE IS TO HAVE THE VEHICLE STOPPING BARRICADES THAT ARE DESIGNED TO STOP VEHICLES. OPTION TWO USING THE CITY UTILITY TRUCKS, WHICH COMES AT A COST TO THE CITY. OPTION THREE WE JUST STARTED TALKS WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. THEY WOULD ALLOW US TO USE THEIR SCHOOL BUSSES, BUT IT INCURS THE SAME KIND OF EXPENSE AS UTILITY TRUCKS IN THAT THE VEHICLES HAVE A COST [04:50:09] PER HOUR AND THE DRIVERS HAVE TO REMAIN THERE, AND THEY HAVE A COST PER HOUR. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT COST IS GOING TO BE. THE OTHER OPTION IS MOVING THE EVENT TO THE PARKING LOT WHERE THEY HOLD IT ALL SUMMER LONG. THE INITIAL CONCERN WAS IT WON'T BE BIG ENOUGH, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE AREA, THE LINEAR FEET FOR THIRD STREET, WHERE THE FARMER'S MARKET IS HELD, IT'S ABOUT 700FT. IT'S ACTUALLY A LITTLE LESS TWO PARKING AISLES IN THE BACK PARKING LOT, WHERE THEY HAVE FIVE PARKING AISLES. BY THE WAY, TWO OF THOSE PARKING AISLES TOTAL 780FT. PLENTY OF ROOM TO ACCOMMODATE ALL OF THOSE TENTS. YOU LOSE ABOUT 100 SPACES TOTAL BY DOING THIS. FOR PARKING, YOU GAIN 60 ON THE STREET. YOU LOSE 160 IN THE PARKING LOT. NET LOSS OF 100. BUT YOU DON'T INCUR THE EXPENSES FOR CLOSING DOWN THE ROADWAY. THE EVENT CAN STILL GO ON. EVERYONE CAN STILL GO. IT'S JUST NOT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET. AND I UNDERSTAND THE ALLURE OF BEING IN THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET. BUT OUR FIRST MISSION IS ALWAYS SAFETY FIRST. WE WANT EVERYONE TO HAVE A GOOD TIME. WE WANT EVERYONE TO HAVE FUN. BUT SAFETY IS OF PARAMOUNT CONCERN. CONCERNED. SO THOSE ARE THE CHALLENGES THAT WE ARE NOW SHARING WITH THIRD STREET. AND WE'RE JUST LOOKING FOR DIRECTION ON WHERE YOU ALL THINK WE SHOULD BE GOING FROM HERE. SO THANK YOU. AND SO INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, IN NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES AND YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME JURISDICTIONS THAT SPONSOR A FARMER'S MARKET, BUT YOU ALSO SAY IT'S GOING IN THIS LOCATION. IT'S DIFFERENT TYPE VENDORS. AND AND REALLY IT'S DRIVEN ORGANICALLY FROM WITHIN WITHIN A JURISDICTION. THIS ONE IS AN EVENT THAT IS HAS BEEN CARRIED ITS OWN WEIGHT, FOR LACK OF A BETTER EXPRESSION THE ENTIRE TIME. BUT WE DID MAKE CHANGES THAT PUT IT IN FRONT OF THEM AND AS A BURDEN TO THEM 12 DAYS IN ADVANCE OR MAKE MADE THE CHANGE. SO IF YOU IF YOU EVALUATE AND I DIDN'T EVALUATE ANYTHING ON THE SCHOOLS BECAUSE I THINK I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT GOING IN AND I'D HAVE TO HAVE THEIR COST TO DO IT. BUT THE DELTA, WHEN WE WHEN I FOUND OUT ABOUT IT, I SAID, WELL, AS FAR AS THE YOU KNOW THAT IF WE CAN PROVIDE THE TRUCKS AND SECURE IT FOR NOW, LET'S WE CAN BE ABRIDGED SOMEWHERE. LET'S FIGURE THIS OUT. SO WHEN YOU ADD UP THE VEHICLES WE HAD THERE. AND EVERYTHING, IT'S AROUND $1,700. JUST DOING THE MATH IN MY HEAD. THAT WE ARE INCURRING AS WE'RE DOING THIS. AND IN THE SAME TOKEN, FOR THEM TO RENT THE BARRICADES, THIS IS UNOFFICIAL BECAUSE I HAVEN'T SEEN A CONTRACT OR ANYTHING. IT'S AROUND 3800 FOR THEM TO RENT THE BARRICADES. SO THE, YOU KNOW, THE DELTA BETWEEN. THAT'S ROUGHLY 2100. IT'S $37,400. SO THE REAL QUESTION IS, IS IT A SINGULAR AND TOTAL INDEPENDENT EVENT? IS THERE A COMMUNITY ASPECT TO THAT WHICH THE CITY EMBRACES? DOES THE SHORT TIMELINE PUT A BURDEN ON WHICH WE BEAR? SOMEWHAT AS WELL? I THINK ALL OF THOSE ARE FAIR QUESTIONS WITHOUT IT TRYING TO BE A PRECEDENT SETTING SITUATION GIVEN THE SHORTNESS OF IT. SO I REALLY DIDN'T WANT IT TO BE TO HEAR 1 OR 2 MESSAGES. I THINK IT WAS A FAIR AND HONEST CONVERSATION TO HAVE TO SAY, SHOULD WE, YOU KNOW, ASSIST IN THE PARTICIPATION TO ACCOMMODATE THIS, BECAUSE I THINK WE ALL RECOGNIZE AS HAVING GARBAGE TRUCKS, IF WE WRECK, IF WE ACKNOWLEDGE A SOMEWHAT COMMUNITY BENEFIT THAT WARRANTS US WANTING TO HAVE THIS AND NOT BURY ALL THE COSTS. WE SHOULD ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT HAVING A APPROPRIATE BARRIER VERSUS A GARBAGE TRUCK AT A FARMER'S MARKET IS APPROPRIATE. AND SO I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE HONEST DIALOG IN THIS DISCUSSION AS WELL. SO I SAY THAT I'M NOT TRYING TO STEER YOU ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THAT EXPENSE POINT, I COULD JUST HAVE SAID, WELL, GIVEN THE SHORTNESS, IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR ME TO DO WELL, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S A WOULD HAVE BEEN APPROPRIATE. AND BE. I GUARANTEE YOU IT'S NOT WITHIN MY SPEND AUTHORITY. SO I THINK IT WAS APPROPRIATE. IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO BRING IT BEFORE YOU AND TALK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE DO THINK IT HAS A COMMUNITY INTEREST. YOU WANT TO SEE EXIST. AND GIVEN THE SHORTNESS OF TIME OR LATENESS OF TIME, I WOULD SAY WITH THE CHANGES, DO YOU WANT US TO PLAY A ROLE IN THAT IN ANY WAY? AND THAT IS MY REQUEST IS TO ASK YOU YOUR OPINIONS ON THAT. WELL. WE DO HAVE A LIGHT SUBJECT. THAT'S A SHORT TERM. AS A SHORT TERM. THAT'S CORRECT. AND WE'RE WORKING ON A LONG TERM FIX. WE DO. HOW MANY VEHICLES DO WE HAVE AT THE FARMERS MARKET FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? YOU HAVE YOUR. WE HAVE THREE POLICE VEHICLES, PATROL VEHICLES AND THEN THE UTILITY TRUCKS. WE HAVE NINE OF THOSE. WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BIG BARRIER TRUCK FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT? [04:55:03] THAT TANKER, THE THE SWAT BEARCAT. OH. IS THAT. I'M SORRY. YES, SIR. THE SWAT BEARCAT IS A VERY HEAVY VEHICLE. IT IS VERY GOOD FOR BLOCKING. PROBABLY A SINGLE LANE. UNFORTUNATELY, WE NEED TRUCKS THAT ARE CAPABLE OF BLOCKING 40FT, WHICH IS WHERE THE UTILITIES WATER PUMPER TRUCK COMES IN, BECAUSE THEY ARE ACTUALLY 40FT LONG. SO WE USE THOSE AT EITHER END. THE BEARCAT COULD BE USED AT ONE SPOT, BUT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE ONE OF THE OFFICERS ASSIGNED TO THE EVENT WOULD HAVE TO BE QUALIFIED TO DRIVE THE BEARCAT. WE DON'T OBVIOUSLY JUST LET ANYBODY DRIVE OUR OUR BEARCAT ANYWHERE. THANK YOU. OKAY. BECAUSE I'VE SEEN IT THERE BEFORE. YEAH. WELL, YOU'LL YOU'LL SEE IT AT THE CHRISTMAS WALK FOR SURE. WE DEFINITELY USE IT AT THE CHRISTMAS WALK, BUT THAT'S PART AND PARCEL WITH OUR SECURITY PLAN AS WELL. YEAH. THANK YOU. I, MR. YOUNG, I APPRECIATE YOU TRYING TO RESOLVE A PROBLEM THAT JUST CAME ABOUT. IT TRULY AND GOING AND LOOKING AT THE LONGER TERM, SO I, SUPPORT US CONSIDERING THIS, AS YOU KNOW, SUPPORTING THE COMMUNITY AND THEIR EVENTS. AND YOU, DID YOU GIVE THE FINANCIAL PIECE OR. WELL, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE THE QUESTION IS, IS IT 100%? IS IT 100%? OR IF OUR DELTA BETWEEN DELIVERING AND HOWEVER YOU DECIDE, I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT I'M TRYING TO STEER YOU IN ANY DIRECTION THAT AT 1700, FOR THE NUMBER OF EVENTS THAT YOU'RE TALKING, 37,000 THERE OVERALL IS 83. IS THERE A NUMBER TO TRY TO ABSORB COLLECTIVELY TOGETHER? I MEAN, I GUESS I JUST WANT TO KNOW A REASONABLENESS TO YOU. IF YOU GIVE ME THE ABILITY TO NEGOTIATE WITHIN MY THRESHOLD TO TRY TO, TO DO IT, THAT WOULD PUT IT UNDER THE 50. BUT I WANT YOUR CONSENSUS THAT I'M DOING THAT WITH YOUR KNOWLEDGE. NOT THAT I'M JUST GOING OUT THERE TRYING TO BE A GOOD A GOOD CITY MANAGER FOR LACK OF A BETTER EXPRESSION. TRANSPARENCY IS THE BEST. THANK YOU. BECAUSE IF WE SAID SAID WE ARE SATISFIED, JUST KEEP USING THE GARBAGE TRUCKS. WE WOULD DO IT AT A PRICE OF 37 FOR WHETHER YOU'RE HAPPY WITH IT OR NOT. AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I EXPRESSED THAT DELTA FOR YOU SO THAT WE HAVE A SKIN IN THE GAME. IF WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DO THAT IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. THAT WAS THE POINT I WANTED TO MAKE TO YOU. MAYOR, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES. CRAMER, PLEASE. FOR OUR CITY MANAGER ARE THEY WELL, ARE THEY OKAY? SO SHORT TERM DOWN THE ROAD TERM, ARE THEY GOING TO MOVE TO THAT PARKING LOT? WELL, I, I DON'T HE LIEUTENANT RILEY HAS MORE DIALOG THAN I DO. BUT WHAT I CAN SAY IS THERE WAS AN EMAIL SENT LAST NIGHT WITH THE EXPRESSING THE DESIRE TO NOT GO BACK. I SAW THAT. AND SO THEN WHAT IS THE DOWN THE ROAD TERM? ARE THEY GOING TO GET PAID FOR BARRICADES OR BARRICADES OR WHAT? HOW DOES THAT. WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? WELL, I THINK THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSIONS OF A PILOT PROGRAM, AND THAT'S PART OF OUR OVERALL DISCUSSION. ARE WE GOING TO CONTINUE TO CLOSE STREETS OR NOT TO HAVE EVENTS? RIGHT. AND THAT WAS WHY I WANTED TO COME BACK TO YOU ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, TO HAVE PERMANENT BOLLARDS AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF THINGS. BUT I'LL LEAVE. I JUST HAVE TO SAY, I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT BIG OF A DEAL TO MOVE. I KNOW THAT PEOPLE LIKE WHAT THEY LIKE AND WHAT THEY'RE USED TO DOING, AND I AND I'VE BEEN THERE A MILLION TIMES LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. BUT HAD IT BEGUN IN THAT PARKING LOT, WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY'S USED TO. AND THEN IF WE SAID, YOU GOT TO MOVE OUT OF THE PARKING LOT, PEOPLE HAVE LOST THEIR MINDS. WE HAVE TO MOVE OUT OF THE PARKING LOT. WE'VE DONE THAT THIS WAY FOR YEARS. THAT'S JUST HOW IT IS. AND SO HOW DOES THIS END? THEY DO IT IN THE SUMMER. SO YEAH, THEY ALREADY DO IT THERE SOME. CAN I ADDRESS IT BECAUSE I GO BY IT OBVIOUSLY A LOT. THAT PARKING LOT IS FILLED. YEAH. AND IN SUMMER, THEY ONLY HAVE ONE SIDE OF THE PARKING LOT WITH ALL THE VENDORS THAT THEY HAVE. IT WOULD FILL THE CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THE ENTIRE PARKING LOT, HE SAID. TWO ROWS. WELL, I MISS THE LINEAR FOOTAGE OF EACH LANE IS 390FT FROM END TO END AND OBVIOUSLY TWO SIDES OF PARKING, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME AS THIRD STREET. IT'S TWICE AS LONG IN THAT IT'S 700, NOT 390. SO TWO OF THOSE AISLES IS MORE THAN EQUIVALENT TO THE ACTUAL THIRD STREET CLOSURE, MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE, THE SAME DEPTH AS FAR AS HOW FAR BACK THEY CAN GO FROM THE PARKING EDGE. OKAY, I GUESS MY REAL INTENT IS THERE'S ALREADY PARKING IN FRONT OF HOMES UP AND DOWN THE STREETS. I JUST BELIEVE THIS WOULD BE MORE IMPACTFUL IF WE DID THAT. BUT AND AND MAYOR, THE LAST THING I JUST WANT TO SAY IS, IS THAT I DON'T BRING THIS TO YOU LATELY BECAUSE NOT NOTHING HAPPENS IN A VACUUM AND YOU'VE ALREADY HEARD IT LOUD FROM EVERYONE REGARDING SECURITY COSTS. SO IT WAS IT WAS NOT APPROPRIATE TO TO HAVE NOT HAVE IT PUBLICLY, BUT IT ALSO ANY DECISION CAN'T BE DONE IN A VACUUM EITHER. [05:00:07] SO CAN I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION. SO OUR AM I THINKING RIGHT THAT BECAUSE WE'LL GET HAMMERED BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S MAD ABOUT THE COST GOING UP. RIGHT. SO THE RATIONALE IS THAT FOR CIRCUMSTANCES BEYOND OUR CONTROL, WE DID NOT LET THEM KNOW IN TIME WHAT THE REQUIREMENT WAS. AND SO THEREFORE WE BEAR SOME BURDEN HERE. IS THAT THE CASE? THEY HAD AN APPROVED PLAN THAT WE ALTERED. IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? THEIR PLAN WAS APPROVED SEPTEMBER 25TH. WE DIDN'T NOTIFY THEM OF THE CHANGE IN OUR SECURITY REQUIREMENTS. UNTIL I WANT TO SAY IT WAS OCTOBER 18TH, JUST ABOUT TWO WEEKS FROM THEIR FIRST EVENT, RIGHT? YEAH, I THOUGHT I WAS RESTATING THAT JUST NOW AND IT'S IN A SENTENCE. SO I THINK I GOT IT RIGHT, DIDN'T I, DIDN'T I, THAT WE THAT'S THAT'S OUR RATIONALE IF THERE WAS ONE. YES, SIR. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. THANK YOU. AND THEN SO JUST ON THE, THE THE MOVE, THE POTENTIAL OF A MOVE FROM THE STREET TO THE PARKING LOT. YOU KNOW, I, I'VE BEEN THE RECIPIENT OF A LOT OF EMAILS, LIKE THE REST OF YOU HAVE, PROBABLY FROM THIRD STREET NEAPOLITAN AND ALSO FROM THE FROM THE CITY STAFF, CITY POLICE. SO, YOU KNOW AND I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A KIND OF POINT BY POINT RESPONSE SENT JUST IN THE LAST FEW DAYS FROM NEAPOLITAN ON THIS IDEA OF MOVING IT TO THE, TO THE PARKING LOT. AND THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF HISTORY HERE WITH THIS. AND IT ISN'T LIKE THIS HASN'T BEEN THOUGHT ABOUT AND THOUGHT THROUGH BY NEAPOLITAN OVER MANY, MANY YEARS AS TO WHY IT DOESN'T WORK. AND IT HAS TO DO WITH CONFLICTS WITH DELIVERY TRUCKS TO RESTAURANTS. IT HAS TO DO WITH A LOT OF THINGS. SO I'M JUST I'M JUST SAYING IT'S IT, IT IT'S PART OF THE LONGER TERM CONVERSATION. IF IT'S PART OF THE CONVERSATION AT ALL, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE AFFIXED FOR THIS YEAR, IN MY OPINION. I THINK THAT YOU KNOW, WHAT GETS LOST IN THIS CONVERSATION SOMETIMES IS, YOU KNOW, STARTING WITH SECURITY IS INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO START WITH WITH A COMPANION SUBJECT, WHICH IS, WHAT DO WE WANT TO HAVE A FARMER'S MARKET? AND DO WE WANT TO HAVE A FARMER FARMER'S MARKET THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH NAPLES QUALITY OF LIFE STANDARDS. AND AND AND AND AND YOU KNOW, MY OWN VIEW IS THAT THIS EVENT HAS BECOME IT. MAYBE IT HASN'T GONE ON FOR 77 YEARS, LIKE THE SWAMP BUGGY PARADE, BUT IT'S IT'S BECOME AN INSTITUTION AND IT'S BECOME AN INSTITUTION ON THIRD STREET. AND SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I WANT TO SEE IT CONTINUE. AND SOME OF YOU WILL REMEMBER BACK IN, WHAT WAS IT, 2016, 2017, WHEN THERE WAS AN EFFORT BY SOME FOLKS TO, TO TO STOP THE FARMERS MARKET? AND, AND I WON'T GET INTO NAMING NAMES, BUT YOU KNOW IF ANY OF US SIT HERE THINKING THAT WE GET A LOT OF EMAILS ON HOME RULE OR SOME SUBJECT LIKE THAT, THEY BROUGHT IN A POSTAL BAG OF 3000 EMAILS SAYING, DON'T, DON'T TAKE AWAY MY MY FARMER'S MARKET. I MEAN, THE PASSION AROUND THIS IS, IS TREMENDOUS. AND AND, AND YOU KNOW, I, I'M PART OF THAT PASSION MYSELF. I GO THERE VIRTUALLY EVERY WEEK, AT LEAST IN SEASON. AND AND I WENT THERE THIS SATURDAY BECAUSE I, I NORMALLY GO THERE ANYWAY, BUT I REALLY WANTED TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH THE INTERIM ARRANGEMENTS. AND I CAN SAY THAT THE, YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE WHY THIS JURY RIGGED USE OF CITY TRUCKS, YOU KNOW, SERVED A PURPOSE. BUT IT AIN'T IT AIN'T A SOLUTION FOR THE REST OF THE SEASON, LET ALONE LONGER. YOU KNOW, SMELLY GARBAGE TRUCKS. I MEAN, IT WAS JUST AGAIN, GO BACK NAPLES. QUALITY OF LIFE, IF THAT MATTERS. AND I THINK IT DOES. IT JUST DOESN'T WORK. SO IT COMES DOWN TO MONEY, COMES DOWN TO MONEY. AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOT THE MONEY TO PAY. THEY'RE PAYING RIGHT NOW BASED ON WHAT THEY'VE BEEN TELLING ME. THEY'RE PAYING ALREADY 50, 50, $60,000 FOR SECURITY ON A SEASONAL BASIS, 50 TO 60,000 FOR THE THREE POLICE WHO COME EVERY WEEK, AND THE MS AND THE PERMIT FEES AND SO ON. [05:05:04] AND THEN YOU ADD TO IT A POTENTIAL $84,000 FOR BARRICADES. IT'S JUST IT DOESN'T WORK. AND FINANCIALLY NOW, OVER TIME, COULD THEY LOOK AT SOME BROADER SOLUTIONS TO FIND MONEY TO PAY AT LEAST A PART OF THAT? YEAH. BUT IN THE SHORT TERM, THE ONLY WAY THIS IS GOING TO NOT TURN INTO EXCUSE MY TERM, A TRAIN WRECK IS IF WE FIND A WAY TO SUBSIDIZE IT. AND I'M. I'M SUPPORTIVE OF THAT. SO AM I. I THINK WHERE I'M HAVING A LITTLE DIFFICULTY IS, IS WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS ONE PARTICULAR EVENT IN ISOLATION. WE'RE GOING TO MY SENSE IS THAT THE THE CITY AT LARGE REALLY HAS A SECURITY PROBLEM. SO I THINK THERE'S A BIGGER QUESTION HERE AND A BIGGER DECISION TO BE MADE. TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST WITH YOU, IF WHATEVER IT IS THAT THE POLICE HAVE CONFIDENCE IN AND IT'S OBVIOUSLY BOLLARDS, THAT'S GOING TO BE A COST THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE INCURRED BY EVERYBODY. SO HEAVEN HELP US. HEAVEN HELP THE FARMER'S MARKET IF SOMEBODY DECIDES TO RUN THEIR CAR THROUGH THERE. HEAVEN HELP US IF IT IF SOMEBODY DECIDES TO DO THAT AND I'M, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT. I REALLY AM. SO I THINK THE CONVERSATION NEEDS TO BE A LITTLE BIT LARGER, TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST WITH YOU. AND IF $3,800 I HOW DO WE JUSTIFY THE 3800? IS THERE A WAY THAT WE CAN REDUCE THAT COST FOR EVERYBODY IF EVERYBODY HAS TO USE THEM. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE 3800 COMES FROM NECESSARILY, BUT I THINK IT'S A BROADER CONVERSATION, TO BE PERFECTLY HONEST WITH YOU. I DON'T WANT TO I DON'T WANT TO PUT A PIECE OF CHEWING GUM ON THIS. I REALLY DON'T AND HOPE TO STOP A LEAK. YEAH, AND I AGREE WITH YOU, MA'AM. THAT'S WHY I ALSO WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT BOLLARDS AND ON STREET BARRICADES AND BRINGING THEM BACK TO YOU FOR THE WORKSHOP. AND SO WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT AND HAVE THE BROADER DISCUSSION. I ALSO BECAUSE OF THE IMMEDIATE NEED, AND THIS ONE IS WHY I ALSO WANTED TO BRING IT TO, TO COMPARTMENTALIZE THEM SO WE COULD HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. SO OUR DISCUSSION IS GOING TO BE WHEN WELL, BASED ON OUR CONVERSATION TODAY, I WOULD BELIEVE AUGUST OR DECEMBER 8TH WOULD BE THE DATE THAT THAT GIVES US ENOUGH TIME RATHER THAN TRY TO GET IT DONE IN A WEEK TO GET SAMPLES OF BOLLARDS, HOW YOU CAN PUT THEM IN THE STREETS, DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY HAVE REMOVABLE, WHAT LABOR IT TAKES TO DO THEM. IF YOU HAVE THEM REMOVABLE, YOU KNOW THERE'S A COST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BRINGING THEM UP FROM THE GROUND WHERE THEY'RE BELOW GROUND. PLUS THEY HAVE OPERATION EXPENSES. SO THAT'S ACTUALLY THE MOST EXPENSIVE. SO JUST LET US COME BACK TO YOU ON ALL THOSE THINGS. AND HAVING LOOKED AT AND WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS BEFORE THE CHIEF AND LIEUTENANT O'REILLY, AS FAR AS WHAT ARE THE AREAS WHERE WE DO SHUT DOWN? THERE'S COMMON STREET SHUTDOWNS. WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE? WHAT COULD WE WHAT COULD WE PURCHASE? NOW, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE GOING TO BE FREE, RIGHT? WE'RE GOING TO IF WE MAKE A CAPITAL INVESTMENT, THERE'S STILL GOING TO BE A SHARED COST ON EVENTS WHEN YOU COME BACK. SO THAT'S THE BROADER CONVERSATION. BUT WE DO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE TAKE CARE OF THIS ONE, SINCE IT'S THE IMMEDIATE ONE AS TO WHAT YOU WHAT DIRECTION YOU WANT ON THAT. OKAY. SO THAT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION, RAY, THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE TEMPORARY DO YOU DO THE BOLLARDS AND ABSORB SOME OF THE COST? THIS IS YOUR TEMPORARY FIX, RIGHT? I, I THINK THAT THE RIGHT WAY TO TO SECURE. THE FARMERS MARKET IS WITH APPROPRIATE BARRICADES OR BOLLARDS. I DON'T AND I DON'T KNOW. THERE'S ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT VENDORS AND TECHNOLOGIES OUT THERE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT THE RIGHT ONE IS AT THIS POINT, BUT THE COST OF THAT HAS TO BE SHARED. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT COST SHARING IS EITHER, BUT IT HAS TO BE SHARED IN A WAY BETWEEN THE CITY AND NEAPOLITAN IN A WAY THAT NEAPOLITAN CAN AFFORD, GIVEN THAT THEY'RE ALREADY PAYING $60,000 IN SECURITY COSTS FOR THE EVENT, PERSONNEL SECURITY COSTS, YOU KNOW, FOR POLICE MS AND SO ON. SO YOU ADD ANOTHER 80 OR 90,000 TO IT FOR BARRICADES, AS I UNDERSTAND IT. AGAIN, ACROSS FOR THE SEASONAL COST. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M NOT HERE TO NEGOTIATE ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER. I'M SIMPLY SAYING THIS IS FINANCIAL REALITY, BUT IT IS. IT IS FOR ANYBODY THAT'S HAVING AN EVENT TODAY, THAT'S THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE'S WHEN YOU GET WHEN YOU GET TO THE GLOBAL CONVERSATION, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WHAT WE ARE GOING TO NEED TO TALK ABOUT IS PUTTING IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BUDGET A LINE ITEM FOR THE CITY PURCHASING BARRICADES OR BOLLARDS AND, AND THEN THEY'RE USED ON A SHARED BASIS AMONG MANY DIFFERENT EVENTS. [05:10:03] I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE NEED, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST I'M JUST I'M SAYING THAT THESE ARE THE KINDS OF IDEAS THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT, BUT WE GOT TO SOLVE THE SHORT TERM FARMER'S MARKET PROBLEM NOW. AND I'LL JUST ADD TO THAT LONG TERM. I MEAN, THERE ARE CITIES THROUGHOUT THIS COUNTRY AND IN EUROPE WHERE THERE ARE BOLLARDS IN THE STREET, THEY CAN BE BURIED UNDERGROUND. THEY CAN POP UP WHEN NEEDED. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND IN THE CITY MANAGER LOOKING AT THAT. AND IF THAT'S A POSSIBILITY OF SOMETHING THAT YOU KNOW. YEAH. AND THAT IS THE INTENT FOR THE MEETING ON THE EIGHTH WOULD BE TO HAVE THOSE INITIAL DISCUSSIONS. SO BACK TO YOUR BACK TO YOUR CONCERN, RAY. SO WE WE DO THIS FOR THE FARMER'S MARKET. THEN THE QUESTION BECOMES WHERE DOES THIS STOP. YOU KNOW, IF WE DO IT FOR THEM, HOW DO WE SAY NO TO SOMEBODY ELSE? I THINK IT WAS BECAUSE I'M SORRY, MR. YOUNG, PLEASE. THE REASON IT CAME UP, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. SERGEANT O'REILLY, THAT. WE APPROVED IT. AND THEN AFTER WE APPROVED IT, WE HAD TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE SECURITY PLAN THE WEEK OR SO BEFORE THE EVENT. SO THAT MADE IT. AN ISSUE. WE CHANGED THE RULES AND THAT'S THE ARGUMENT. AND I THINK THERE'S VALIDITY TO IT. WE CHANGE THE RULES IN THE 11TH HOUR FOR THEM AS THEY WERE ABOUT TO START THEIR SEASON. AND AND THEREFORE WE HAVE I WOULD ARGUE WE THE CITY HAVE AN OBLIGATION HERE. OKAY, I GET IT. BARTON. AND THEN VICE MAYOR AND PETRANOFF. YES. I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID FROM A STANDPOINT OF WE SHARE SOME RESPONSIBILITY HERE AND WE SHOULD PROBABLY SHARE SHARE IN THE COSTS ARE PARTICIPATING THE COSTS OR WHATEVER THAT DECISION IS. BUT WE NEED TO HELP SO THAT WE CAN GET IT DONE, BECAUSE WE DID CHANGE THE RULES IN THE 11TH HOUR. AS FAR AS LONGER TERM SOLUTION FOR THEM, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S IMPORTANT AND, AND THEY NEED TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF PROVIDING SAFETY FOR THIS TYPE OF EVENT AND, AND AN ACCEPTABLE WAY TO DO THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, BOX TRUCKS OR WHATEVER. OBVIOUSLY THAT BOLLARDS ARE GOING TO BE THE WAY TO GO AND WE NEED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. BUT IN THE SHORT TERM HERE. YOU KNOW, U-HAUL. YOU SEE THESE TRUCKS DRIVING DOWN THE ROAD WITH, SAY, 29.99 ON THEM? WHAT WHAT PREVENTS US FROM PREVENTS THE PRACTITIONER OR THE THE ORGANIZER FROM RENTING SEVEN OF THOSE AND PUTTING THEM IN PLACE? I MEAN, THAT CERTAINLY ISN'T 3800 BUCKS. IT'S AS LONG AS THEY STILL HAVE THE SAME CHARACTERISTICS AS THE UTILITY TRUCKS. AND I BELIEVE THE TRUCKS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DO I THINK DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY RECOGNIZES THAT THE ISSUE THEN WOULD JUST BE TO MAKE SURE, AND I'M SURE THIRD STREET COULD BE TRUSTED TO THE TRUCKS WERE THERE AND AVAILABLE AND THAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HOLDS THE KEYS ONCE THEY'RE IN PLACE, NOBODY MOVES THEM UNTIL WE WANT THEM. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. SO, I MEAN, I THINK THERE'S A THERE'S AN EASY AND AFFORDABLE SOLUTION HERE TO RENT TRUCKS. THEY CAN RENT TRUCKS. WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT. WE NEED TO HELP THEM WITH THIS INITIAL EVENT BECAUSE WE CHANGE THE RULES IN THE IN THE TWO WEEKS PRIOR. BUT MOVING FORWARD, IF THEY WANT TO MEET OUR CRITERIA, THEY CAN GO OUT AND SOLVE THAT, SOLVE THAT PROBLEM WITH THAT TYPE OF SOLUTION, WHICH IS VERY AFFORDABLE. AND IF IT'S IMPORTANT TO THEM, THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GET THE TRUCKS THERE. THEY HAND YOU THE KEYS, AND YOU GUYS ARE IN CHARGE OF THE TRUCKS WHILE THEY'RE THERE OR WHATEVER. IT NEEDS TO BE DONE. BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A THAT'S A QUICK SHORT TERM SOLUTION FOR. AND THOSE THINGS, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT THEY'RE NOT PRETTY, BUT THEY'RE PROBABLY LESS UNSIGHTLY THAN A GARBAGE TRUCK. SO THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION. OKAY. VICE MAYOR AND THEN PETRANOFF. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. QUICKLY. I'M A BIG FAN OF THE FARMER'S MARKET. ONE OF THE REASONS I WALKED BY THIS ONE BOOTH, AND I. I GET TO STAND THERE AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SAY THE WORD PIE OR. NO, NO, YOU GOT IT. YEAH. IS THAT. WELL, OKAY. IT'S PAYING OFF. SO MY CONCERN HERE IS THIS. AND I WANTED TO SPEAK TO THE CITY ATTORNEY, SO JUST I ALREADY KNOW THAT WE HAVE GROUPS AROUND THE CITY EXPRESSING SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT COMPLYING WITH SECURITY. SECURITY RELATED EXPENSE IMPOSED BY THE CITY. YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE MOVING WITH HOW THE EXPENSE RELATED TO HOLDING EVENTS. SOME OF THESE CONCERNS ARE BEING OR HAVE BEEN EXPRESSED IN COURT. RIGHT. AND SO HERE'S THE QUESTIONS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME TERMS ARE BEING USED ON THIS DISCUSSION SUCH AS SHORT TERM. AND THE CITY HAS CAUSED THIS. SO A COUPLE OF THINGS. [05:15:07] ARE WE REQUIRED TO DEFINE WHAT SHORT TERM ACCOMMODATION MEANS? AND IF THE CITY CAUSED THE INJURY TO THIS ENTITY WHO MADE COMMITMENTS IN CONDUCTING THE FARMERS MARKET? IS THE CITY THEN EXCUSED FROM EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE REQUIREMENTS. NOW EQUAL PROTECTION CLAUSE. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT REALLY APPLIES. IT SPEAKS TO APPLYING THE SAME STANDARDS TO SIMILARLY SITUATED GROUPS. SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT STEPPING INTO ESTABLISHING GOVERNMENT POLICY, WHICH CAN BE INTERPRETED AS TREATING GROUPS DIFFERENTLY. AND DOES THIS PASS IF WE ARE TREATING GROUPS DIFFERENTLY? DOES THIS PASS THE RATIONAL BASIS REVIEW, MEANING WE ARE DOING SO BASED ON A LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT INTEREST AND THE POLICY IS RATIONALLY RELATED TO IT? SO WHEN WE DO THIS, WE WAIVE THESE FEES. WE INCUR THE EXPENSES. ARE WE ON SOLID GROUND? WE'RE NOT GOING TO INVITE DRIVE BY LAWSUITS ON THIS. IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. I'LL PROVIDE YOU MY BRIEF NEXT WEEK. NO, I'M JUST THE ONLY THING I'LL SAY, AND I WILL HAVE TO. LOOK INTO THAT, BECAUSE THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF COMPONENTS OF THAT QUESTION AND SOME TRIGGER WORDS FROM A LAWYER. THAT MEANS SOMETHING, RIGHT? BUT I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR FOR THE PUBLIC. THIS IS NOT THE CITY'S FAULT, SO TO SPEAK. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLEAR. LIKE THERE ARE A LOT OF SPECIAL EVENTS THAT ARE APPROVED AND YOU SAY, OKAY, APPLICANT, WORK WITH POLICE ON DETERMINING SECURITY. AND THAT'S THE SAME SITUATION THAT OCCURRED HERE. THERE'S JUST A DISAGREEMENT. SO I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT WE DON'T NORMALLY DO. JUST FOR THE RECORD, JUST FOR EVERYBODY. YEAH. BECAUSE THERE'S ALMOST EVERY SPECIAL EVENT IS APPROVED WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE TO WORK WITH POLICE WHO WE DEFAULT ON SECURITY. BUT AS FOR THE OTHER ASPECTS OF THAT, CANNOT ANSWER THAT. AS I SIT RIGHT NOW WITHOUT DOING A LITTLE BIT OF DIGGING. SO UNTIL THE CITY ATTORNEY CAN ANSWER THAT FOR ME, THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I STAND. I CAN'T WE'RE NOT VOTING. SO WE'RE LOOKING FOR CONSENSUS DIRECTION, I THINK. I JUST WITHHOLD, AND THAT'S WHY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. I IT DEFINITELY IS A COMMUNITY EVENT AND MUCH BELOVED HAVING SAID THIS, BECAUSE WE CHANGED THE RULES YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE THAT SHORT TERM, WE SHOULD HAVE A COST SHARING FOR A REASONABLE PERIOD. I'M WONDERING WHAT WHAT WAS THE OBLIGATION? WAS IT FOR THE WHOLE SEASON THAT THAT WE APPROVED IT INITIALLY? WELL, WE DIDN'T APPROVE ANYTHING. THE ONLY THING WE DID WAS SAID THAT WE WOULD ACCOMMODATE THE FIRST TWO WEEKENDS WITH THE TRUCKS. OKAY. THAT WE GAVE THEM LAST WEEKEND. THEY ALSO HAD SIDE CONVERSATIONS. I BELIEVE LIEUTENANT O'RILEY PUT HIM IN TOUCH WITH THE PEOPLE WHO RENT THE BARRICADES. OR SOMEBODY WHO DOES. THEY'VE INQUIRED, GOT THEIR OWN COSTS. NOBODY HAS WAIVED ANY FEES TO DATE. AND NOBODY. MY QUESTION WAS, IS DO WE. BECAUSE WE ARE INCURRING IN THE FIRST TWO WEEKS AND IT'S UNSIGHTLY. IF WE WERE GOING TO CONTINUE TO PARTICIPATE IN ANY WAY. IT WOULDN'T BE BY VIRTUE OF PUTTING GARBAGE TRUCKS THERE. AND THAT WAS THE CONVERSATION THAT I WAS HAVING. AND SO AND SO FROM THERE WOULD BE A SHARED RESPONSIBILITY IN INCURRING THE PUTTING OF THE BARRICADES IN THE ROAD, WHICH IS AN EXPENSE, NOT A WAIVER OF A FEE. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? AND SO THERE'S A THERE'S A VERY IT MAY SEEM LIKE A NUANCE, BUT IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT NUANCE IS NO ONE IS WAIVING ANY OF THE SECURITY COSTS THAT ARE THERE. WE'VE SAID TO PROTECT THE ROADS, YOU NEED TO ALSO HAVE THIS. AND OH, BY THE WAY, SINCE WE'RE JUST TELLING YOU WE'RE GOING TO SHARE IN THAT COST. AND SO I LOOK AT THAT NOW, YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AS THE PART ABOUT IS SOMEBODY ELSE ENTITLED TO THE SAME THING IF THEY COME DOWN, BUT IF THEY'RE IDENTIFIED WHEN THEY WALK IN THE ROOM, THAT IF YOU TAKE THIS ROAD, THIS IS A COST YOU'RE GOING TO BEAR. I THINK THAT'S A FAIR WAY TO PRESENT IT. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO DIFFERENTIATE THAT BECAUSE NOBODY HAS ADVOCATED NOR SAID ANYTHING ABOUT WAIVING THE FEES THAT WERE THAT ARE IN EXISTENCE. THEY HAVE AN AGREEMENT TO PROVIDE WHAT WE SAID, YOU EITHER PROVIDE OR YOU CAN'T HAVE, OR YOU HAVE TO FIND OTHER ACCOMMODATIONS, AND THEY'RE ASKING FOR RELIEF FROM SOME OF THEIR BURDEN AND BE A SHARED EXPENSE. [05:20:01] GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE REQUEST, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WANT TO SAY. CONVERSELY, IF WE ENDED UP BUYING THEM EVENTUALLY AND THEN WE HAD A CORRESPONDING FEE THAT WOULD BE WAVING A FEE, BUT WE DON'T. WE'RE NOT BUYING THEM. AND WE'RE WE PLAY NO ROLE IN THAT PART OF IT. IT WOULD JUST BE THE SHARING OF THE EXPENSE PART OF IT. OKAY. WELL, WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT WE WANT TO BUY THEM OR NOT IS MORE OF A LONG TERM, YOU KNOW, I GUESS. SOLUTION. BUT I THOUGHT THAT THAT THERE WAS SOME SUGGESTION THAT AN ISRAELI COMPANY WHO PRODUCES SIMILAR ARCH BARRIERS IS OUT THERE AND THAT THEY KEEP 14 PEOPLE, AT LEAST IN CAMBIAR PETITIONERS WERE GOING TO WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT GETTING TOGETHER. AND THIS ISRAELI COMPANY WAS GOING TO BUY THEM, STORE THEM ON SITE, AND THEN RENT THEM TO PEOPLE SHORT TERM. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS A QUICK SOLUTION OR IF THAT IS GOING TO TAKE MONTHS AND MONTHS. YOU'RE REMARKABLY WELL INFORMED. THE ISRAELI COMPANY IS SUPPLYING THEM TO A LOCAL VENDOR. THAT'S THE $3,800 PER WEEK CHARGE. OKAY. OKAY. FOR THOSE L SHAPED BARRICADES. OKAY. AND THAT IS READY. WOULD THAT BE READY, LIKE NEXT WEEKEND? THE VENDOR ANTICIPATES THEY'LL BE HERE BY THE 14TH. SO THIS COMING WEEKEND WOULD BE OUR SECOND WEEKEND OF PROVIDING THE TRUCKS. WE HAVE THE CONTINGENCY. WE'VE TALKED TO UTILITIES TO PROVIDE THEM FOR THE 15TH, JUST IN CASE THEY'RE NOT HERE. THE VENDOR ASSURES US THEY WILL BE. I HAVEN'T HAD ANY REASON TO DOUBT HIM YET, SO WE WILL SEE. OKAY. YOU KNOW, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THE TRUCKS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO DO PERIOD, NO MATTER WHAT IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS, AND THAT'S FINE. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S BEEN USED FOR YEARS, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF IT BEING A LONG TERM SOLUTION BECAUSE IT IS, YOU KNOW, IT IS NOT THE IT'S NOT OPTIMAL. IT WAS SORT OF THE CLERGY, YOU KNOW, COUSIN OF WHAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN 2017. SO I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO PARTICIPATE AND GIVE THE AUTHORITY TO OUR CITY MANAGER TO NEGOTIATE A REASONABLE COST SHARING SPLIT FOR THIS, THIS EVENT. THIS SERIES OF EVENTS ON THESE ISRAELI BARRIERS THAT FOR RENTAL AND JUST DO IT RIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO WE HAVE A CONSENSUS THAT WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THE TEMPORARY SITUATION LOOKING FOR FUTURE SOLUTIONS. AND WITHIN MR. YOUNG'S AUTHORITY. ANYTHING ELSE, MR. YOUNG? NO, MA'AM. THAT'LL BE ALL. THANK YOU. OKAY. OKAY. SINCE WE HAVE SPECIAL EVENTS HERE. AND I'M SO GLAD YOU'RE HERE. CHAD, I DIDN'T PULL THESE TWO ITEMS THIS MORNING BECAUSE THEY WERE ALREADY ON THE AGENDA, BUT THE CHRISTMAS CAROLS THAT HAVE BEEN IN THE IN CAMBIER PARK WHERE THEY ENCOURAGED TO MOVE TO BAKER PARK. GOOD AFTERNOON. CHAD MERRITT, COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR. WE HAVEN'T REALLY WITH RESPECT THIS WE'VE ALREADY THE AGENDA IS WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH IT. I'M JUST WONDERING IF POINT OF ORDER, SHOULD THIS BE SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS DO OFFLINE RIGHT NOW AND NOT TALK ABOUT IT IN PUBLIC? NO, BECAUSE IT RELATES TO THE EVENTS COMING, THE SPECIAL EVENTS CONVERSATION WE'RE HAVING. I UNDERSTAND, BUT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED AS PRESENTED. WELL, I'M JUST I'M GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION, WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S A I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE IN CORRESPONDENCE AND COMMUNICATIONS. WE APPROVED IT AND WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH HAVING SPECIAL EVENTS CONVERSATION. AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS KIND OF INFORMATION IS PART OF THE CONVERSATION AT THAT MEETING. OKAY, I'M JUST ASKING A QUESTION. SO THANK YOU. SO IS THE CHRISTMAS CAROLS. WERE ASKED TO MOVE TO BAKER PARK. SO WE DON'T WE DON'T ASK ANYONE TO MOVE ANYWHERE. WE GIVE THEM THE OPTION IF THEY COME TO US AND YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S COST AND WITH THE COST ESCALATING, IF THEY'RE IN CAMBIER PARK, THEY DO COME AND WE PROVIDE THEM OPTIONS. AND IF THEY SELECTED, THAT'S WHAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO. THEN WE TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT AND BRING IT BACK TO YOU ALL. THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO GET TO. SO THE COST VERSUS CAMBIER VERSUS BAKER WOULD BE GREAT THAT WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION WHEN YOU COME BACK FOR THE MAJOR DISCUSSION AND THEN NEW EVENTS. SO WE'RE APPROVING NEW EVENTS WHILE TRYING TO, TO CURTAIL EVENTS. AND WE ALL AGREED TO THIS TODAY, YOU KNOW, SO I'M SAYING, COUNCIL WE HAVE TO PAY ATTENTION THAT WE'RE NOT. [05:25:03] WE'RE SAYING WE WANT TO LIMIT THE EVENTS AND THEN WE GO AND APPROVE EVENTS. SO JUST BE MINDFUL THAT WE APPROVED AN EVENT TODAY. THAT'S OVER 15,000 PEOPLE FOR TWO DAYS WITH ROADS CLOSED. AND I'LL JUST THE LAST PIECE OF THIS IS I WANT TO DISCUSS THE FOOD TRUCKS, BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE FOOD TRUCKS WE STARTED IT JUST BECAUSE OF THE CENTENNIAL, BUT WE HAVE A POLICY OR A CODE THAT SAYS NO FOOD TRUCKS. AND WHENEVER, I GUESS THERE WAS A POLICY MADE THAT WE COULD HAVE FOOD TRUCKS ON SPECIAL EVENTS. BUT IF MAYBE BAKER, IT MAKES SENSE. BUT FOR CAMBIER PARK OR ON OTHER EVENTS, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE WHEN YOU HAVE RESTAURANTS IN THAT AREA THAT YOU'RE REALLY HOPING A SPECIAL EVENT WILL, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE REVENUE TO THE LOCAL BUSINESSES BECAUSE OF THAT SPECIAL EVENT. IS THERE JUST SOMETHING I REALLY WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT WHEN YOU'RE DOING YOUR PRESENTATION TO US? SO THAT'S IT. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I'LL GO TO CORRESPONDENCE. COMMUNICATIONS. I JUST HAD TO TAKE THAT HIATUS SINCE WE'RE ALL BUSY DOING MEETINGS. NOTHING FOR ME TODAY. JUST ONE QUICK THING. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ON THE FLOOD PANEL FORUM THAT WAS HELD ON MONDAY. LATE AFTERNOON. I ATTENDED, AND AND I JUST WAS OBVIOUSLY JUST AN OBSERVER AND JUST WANTED TO SEE HOW IT WENT AND WHAT ATTENDEES SAID. AND I JUST WANT TO COMPLIMENT THE STAFF. I SENT A NOTE TO SEVERAL OF THEM YESTERDAY. IT WAS EXTREMELY WELL ORGANIZED, PREPARED AND PRESENTED. THE TONE WAS VERY GOOD. THE RESPONSES TO THE QUESTIONS VERY ARTICULATE. WELL MODERATED BY MARTY. STEVE BECKMAN, I THOUGHT, WHO DID MOST OF THE RESPONSES? BUT HE AND HIS TEAM WERE VERY GOOD. AND YOU KNOW, WE STILL HAVE A SITUATION WHERE AS WE KNOW, WE'RE RESIDENTS, BOTH SINGLE FAMILY AND AND PEOPLE LIVING IN MULTI-FAMILY OR WE WANT TO FIND A SOLUTION, WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING TO MITIGATE THEIR FLOOD RISK. AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN EVOLVING SITUATION AND THERE'S FRUSTRATIONS OUT THERE STILL. WE KNOW AND WITH HOW THE PROCESS IS WORKING. AND WE ALSO KNOW, I THINK WE ALL KNOW HERE THAT THERE'S A MYRIAD OF REASONS WHY. BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK HAVING THESE KINDS OF OPEN FORUMS AND CONVERSATIONS ONLY HELPS. AND AND YOU KNOW, AND TALKING ABOUT BARRICADES, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE GUYS SITTING IN GARAGES ACROSS AMERICA INVENTING NEW FLOOD PANEL TECHNOLOGIES, FOR BETTER OR WORSE, EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK. AND THEY'RE ALSO INVENTING NEW BARRICADES AND BARRIERS EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK AND SEPARATING THE WHEAT FROM THE CHAFF. YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE FORGET A CITY BUILDING OFFICIAL, IF YOU'RE A RESIDENT OR A CONDO ASSOCIATION, GOOD LUCK. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT'S JUST IT'S JUST AND AND THERE'S NEW, NEW TECHNOLOGIES, NEW INFORMATION, NEW PRODUCTS. GRIFTERS. I MEAN, YOU GO THE WHOLE GAMUT. SO THIS IS THE WORLD WE'RE LIVING IN AND ALL WE CAN DO. MY OPINION FROM THE CITY SIDE IS TRY TO BE OPEN AND TRANSPARENT AND ALSO FOLLOW THE CODE AND FOLLOW THE LAW THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW. THANK YOU. I WATCHED THAT THIS WAS THE MOST SUPERB THING I'VE EVER SEEN THE CITY DO, IN ALL HONESTY. IT WAS SO WELL DONE. SO TWO THUMBS UP FOR THE CITY. I CONCUR, I WAS ACTUALLY THERE. IT WAS. IT WAS WELL RUN. YEAH. YEAH. AND THANK YOU FOR BRINGING THAT UP BECAUSE STAFF DID A GREAT JOB ON THAT. AND I REALLY PEOPLE THAT WERE THERE FOR SPECIFIC ISSUES EVEN FOUND IT QUITE INFORMATION WAS GREAT FOR THEM. AND TO YOUR POINT, MAYOR, WHAT WHAT WAS REALLY A SMART THING THE CITY STAFF SAID UP FRONT IF YOU'RE HERE TO ASK A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT YOUR PROPERTY, DON'T DO IT HERE. TELL US YOUR GIVE US YOUR NAME AND AND INFORMATION, AND WE WILL HAVE A SIDEBAR ONE ON ONE CONVERSATION WITH YOU. [05:30:07] AND I THINK AGAIN, THAT WAS THE RIGHT WAY TO DO IT. AGREED. THAT'S ALL. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, MAYOR. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT WAS GREAT. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER? YEP. I HAVE TWO THINGS. ONE OF MY. I WILL NEED CONSENSUS TO SEE IF WE EVEN MOVE FORWARD ON IT. BUT. SO THERE'S BEEN A SENSE SINCE OUR I CAN'T REMEMBER THE GUY'S NAME. HE WOULDN'T CALL ME BACK. WHO'S THE GUY IN BONITA THAT PROPOSED THIS LEGISLATION? YEAH. HE DIDN'T HE DIDN'T CALL ME BACK. HE DIDN'T CALL ME BACK. HE DIDN'T CALL ME BACK. YEAH, BUT ANYWAY. BUT SINCE THAT THING STARTED THERE SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN SOME SORT OF CHANGE, OR AT LEAST SOME DIFFERENT. RHETORIC, I GUESS, REGARDING THE AIRPORT. WE GOT ON THE 13TH AND PEOPLE FROM, YOU KNOW, ONA SENT A LETTER TO SENATOR PASSIDOMO TO TALK ABOUT WHAT A GOOD JOB THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY HAS DONE. IN FACT IN SUMMARY, THERE'S NO DEFICIENCY IN THE WAY THE CITY OF NAPLES AND THE FAA HAS GUIDED THE MANAGEMENT OF APF, WHICH CONTINUES TO PERFORM AS AN EFFICIENT AND FINANCIALLY SOLVENT OPERATION. I MEAN, THAT'S GREAT CONFIDENCE. WE'VE ALSO BEEN TOLD THAT NO ONE EVER WANTED TO MOVE THE AIRPORT, NEVER REALLY WANTED TO CLOSE THE AIRPORT. THOSE STUDIES WERE DONE UNILATERALLY BY THE FAA, AND NOBODY HERE EVER WANTED ANYTHING LIKE SO KNOWING THAT THAT WE DON'T WANT IT TO MOVE AND WE THINK THE AIR DOES A GREAT JOB, I THINK IT'S TIME TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT USING THE ONE LEVERAGE POINT WE HAVE, WHICH IS THE LEASE, TO EXTEND THE LEASE, SINCE WE DON'T WANT IT TO CLOSE AND THEY DO A GREAT JOB ANYWAY. AND BY EXTENDING IT, THEN WE CAN LEVERAGE THIS THING TO WHERE WE CAN CREATE SIGNIFICANT REVENUE FOR RESILIENCE IN OUR CITY. IF WE IF WE EXTEND IT, THEN WE CAN RENEGOTIATE THE FEE AND THERE WILL BE MILLIONS. IF IT'S $5 MILLION A YEAR, THEN IN 20 YEARS, THAT'S $100 MILLION. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE NUMBER, AND THEY MAY NOT LIKE ME SAYING THAT OUT LOUD, BUT I WOULD LIKE IF WE CAN GET CONSENSUS FOR US TO AT LEAST ASK OUR CITY MANAGER, HIS TEAM, WHOMEVER THAT WOULD DO THIS, TO START EXPLORING WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE, JUST TO SEE WHAT OUR OPTIONS ARE, HOW THAT COULD BE MONETIZED, IF IT WOULD, IF WE COULD DEDICATE IT TO SOMETHING SPECIFIC, IF WE DID MONETIZE IT. AND SO WE CAN GET OUT FROM UNDERNEATH THIS $1 A YEAR THING, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. AND MAYBE THEY'LL SAY, YOU'RE BARKING UP THE WRONG TREE. THERE'S WAY MORE STRINGS ATTACHED. WHATEVER. BUT I'VE AND I'VE READ A LOT OF THE FAA REGULATIONS REGARDING THIS. I'M NO GURU, BUT IT SEEMS THERE ARE STRICT REQUIREMENTS, BUT I THINK THIS IS A LEVER THAT CAN BE PULLED TO ALLOW US TO RENEGOTIATE IT. BUT AT THE VERY LEAST, I'D LIKE TO EXPLORE THAT. IF WE HAD CONSENSUS UP HERE THAT WE'D HAVE STAFF AT LEAST EXPLORE IT TO SEE IF IT'S DOABLE AND IF IT'S DOABLE, HOW DIFFICULT WOULD THAT BE? AND AND EVENTUALLY, HOW MUCH DOUGH CAN WE GET? SO I LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK. HOWEVER WE'VE HAD NUMEROUS OPINIONS ON OPENING THE LEASE. WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE. WE ALSO HAVE A NEW ATTORNEY THAT MIGHT HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION. FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, THE ONLY REASON THAT PEOPLE STARTED SAYING MOVE THE AIRPORT WAS BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T FOLLOWING THEIR COMMITMENT TO BE A MUNICIPAL AIRPORT, AND THEY HAD GROWN IT INTO A FLEET REGIONAL AIRPORT. SO IN THAT OPENING THE LEASE MAY BE A GOOD IDEA, BUT UNTIL THERE'S AN UNDERSTANDING THAT MAKING TERMINALS AND HANGARS THAT ARE VERY DESIRABLE FOR MORE FLEET AND MORE FRACTIONALS TO COME HERE, THAT'S THE BIGGER CONVERSATION. THAT'S THE VISION ISSUE THAT WE'RE REALLY FACING. SO EVEN THOUGH THAT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO OPEN THE LEASE BECAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BUY THE THAT LAND, BUT I WANT IT TO STAY AS AN AIRPORT, BUT I WANT IT TO STAY AS AN AIRPORT THAT GETS ALONG NOT ONLY WITH THE CITY, WITH FREQUENCY OF FLIGHTS. SO I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT GIVING YOU MY SUPPORT IN OPENING UP THE LEASE, BECAUSE THE MINUTE YOU OPEN THAT BOX WITH NO COMMITMENT TO HAVING SOME COMMITMENT OF NOT CONTINUING TO GROW THE AIRPORT WHICH INCREASES THE FLIGHTS AND THE NOISE, I WOULD SAY TWO THINGS. ONE, OKAY, I'D LOVE TO SEE THE LIST OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE THE MONEY AND THE WHEREWITHAL TO PURCHASE THAT LAND. [05:35:06] THAT WOULD BE AWESOME, BECAUSE MAYBE THAT'S A BETTER PATH TO GO. I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT MONETIZING A VERY VALUABLE ASSET. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME WHICH WAY WE DO THAT. AND TWO THE TWO ARE, IN MY VIEW, MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE. IF YOU'RE IF IF THE REALITY IS WE DON'T WANT THE AIRPORT'S GOING TO STAY OPEN, WHICH IS WHAT EVERYONE THAT'S THE CONSENSUS HAS BEEN THAT'S BEEN SAID REPEATEDLY. NOW, IF THE REALITY IS THE NA IS DOING A GOOD JOB AND WE'D LIKE TO KEEP IT SET UP THE WAY IT IS, THAT'S AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE HEARD IN THE LAST TWO MONTHS CONSISTENTLY. THEN THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO NOT OPEN THE LEASE. BUT THERE'S A DIFFERENCE. BUT RENEGOTIATE THE LEASE BASED ON THE ONE LEVER WE HAVE, WHICH IS WE CAN EXTEND IT. THE OTHER REASON FOR OPENING THE LEASE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY OF THE WE DON'T CHECK ANY OF THE BOXES OTHER THAN THAT, THAT I CAN SEE FOR A REASON TO OPEN THE LEASE, BUT EXTENDING THE LEASE WOULD GIVE US A LEVER ATTACHING STRINGS TO THAT. THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN TALK ABOUT LATER, WHATEVER STRINGS YOU WANT ATTACHED. BUT THE FACT IS, I JUST WANT TO START DOWN THE ROAD OF FINDING OUT WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD LOOK LIKE AND WHAT THE VALUE MAY BE TO THE CITY. THAT'S ALL. I'D LOVE THAT. I JUST DON'T THINK FOR ME, IT'S A PRIORITY THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY HAS A STACK OF THINGS THAT WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON. RESILIENCE IS OUR NUMBER ONE, AND THAT WOULD HELP FUND IT FOR THE NEXT 50 YEARS. MAYOR, IF I COULD SPEAK TO THE RESILIENCY ISSUE, I'VE NOW READ TWO STUDIES THAT INDICATE IN 20 YEARS THAT PIECE OF LAND IS GOING TO BE UNDERWATER. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, I SENT A MEMO TO CHRIS ON THAT, AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I SEE THEY'RE PUTTING A LADDER UP THERE A FEW DAYS AGO. BUT YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THAT'S A BIG CONSIDERATION. IF THAT'S GOING TO BE UNDERWATER, CAN IT STILL REMAIN AS AN AIRPORT? I KNOW I DON'T I JUST DON'T KNOW. BUT I'M WITH YOU ALL THE WAY EXCEPT FOR THAT ONE PARTICULAR AGAIN THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD. I THINK IT'S A BRIDGE WE CROSS, BUT I JUST WANT TO. WE DON'T EVEN KNOW THE POSSIBILITIES RIGHT NOW. I JUST WANT TO EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITIES. AND I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY GOOD IF THE WATER. IF THERE IS WATER. YEAH. WATER TAXI. WHATEVER. YEAH. MAYBE HE RAISES THE RAISES THE, THE THAT I WANT TO CALL IT. YOU ONLY DO IT ANYWAY. IT'S A IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING HE NEEDS THAT HE HAS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. HE, HE MAY BE HAVE TO GET OUT OF THERE IN 20 YEARS I DON'T KNOW. WELL IT IS OUR RESPONSIBILITY AS PART OF THE RESILIENCY INFORMATION THAT WE GOT BECAUSE IT IS INDICATED ON OUR BASIN MAP ASSESSMENT THAT THEY ARE IN NEED OF MITIGATION FROM FLOODING. SO CONSENSUS TO HAVE THE CITY ATTORNEY LOOKING AT OPENING THE LEASE. I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE FIT IN THE PRIORITIES, BUT THAT'S IMPORTANT. CAN I CAN I CLARIFY SOMETHING REAL QUICK? YES, SIR. CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. I THINK JUST AT A VERY BASE LEVEL, THE QUESTION REALLY NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST WHAT I THINK YOU GUYS WOULD APPRECIATE BEFORE WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THE LEASE, IS WHAT DOES THAT EVEN LOOK LIKE? WHAT CONCESSIONS DOES THE CITY HAVE TO GET? DOES IT NEED TO INCLUDE EXTENDING THE TERM OR NOT? SO WHAT WHAT DO YOU WANT? LIKE I THINK THAT IF I MAY AND OBVIOUSLY YOU CAN TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT, BUT I THINK IF WE JUST STARTED A BASE LEVEL OF LIKE, WHAT DOES THIS EVEN LOOK LIKE? IF WE DECIDED TO DO THIS, THEN I CAN COME BACK AND THEN WE CAN HAVE A DISCUSSION. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I'M ASKING. OKAY. EXACTLY. BUT YOU TWO GET TOGETHER ON THAT JUST VERY BASE BROAD. AND IT MAY BE A SHORT CONVERSATION LIKE. NOPE. AND THEN WE'RE DONE. CORRECT. LIKE, THE ANSWER MAY BE NOT POSSIBLE. AND THEN THE CONVERSATION ENDS. BUT I MEAN, I WOULD HAPPILY WORK WITH THE CITY MANAGER, ROZANSKI, PROBABLY PETER KIRSCH, I MEAN, ANDREW BARR, JUST TO KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE BECAUSE OF THE REGULATIONS. AND I JUST COME BACK TO YOU AND SAY, HEY GUYS, THIS IS WHAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN. IT'S NOT POSSIBLE. IT'S POSSIBLE. AND THEN, YEAH, WELL, YEAH, OKAY. I WILL JUST SAY THOUGH, ALSO I JUST HAVE TO CLARIFY, YOU SAY THAT THE NA IS RUNNING THE IT'S STATED THAT IT'S BEING RUN. WELL THERE ARE SOME DETAILS THERE. I WOULD SAY THAT THE AIRPORT IS BEING RUN WELL AND THE LEASES ARE BEING RUN BY THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR BECAUSE THE NA GAVE THE AUTHORITY TO THE DIRECTOR TO CREATE THOSE LEASES. SO THERE'S SOME SOME CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. I'M HEARING, JUST WITH RESPECT, THAT NONE OF THAT IS RELEVANT TO ME RIGHT HERE. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT IF IT'S EVEN POSSIBLE. LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO DO IT UNTIL WE GET SOME OTHER THINGS CLEARED UP. THEN WE'LL BE RIGHT. IF YOU DO WHAT YOU'VE ALWAYS DONE, YOU'LL BE WHERE YOU'VE ALWAYS BEEN. AND WHERE WE'VE ALWAYS BEEN IS A DOLLAR A YEAR. I'D [05:40:01] LOVE TO EXPLORE. IT MADE ME HAPPIER THAN TO GET MORE INFORMATION. I WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF THAT. ABSOLUTELY. I'D ALSO LIKE TO ADD A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT ON THERE THAT AT THE SAME TIME WE LOOK AT DOING AN APPRAISAL OF WHAT THAT PROPERTY IS WORTH. OR WAIT A MINUTE. WE'LL MAKE THAT SEPARATE. THAT'S COSTLY. YEAH. ALL RIGHT. I'LL MAKE A SEPARATE ONE WHEN IT GETS TO MY CORRESPONDENCE. VICE MAYOR. SO YES, I WOULD SUPPORT HAVING AN ATTORNEY, THE RIGHT ATTORNEY. TAKING A LOOK AT THIS. HOWEVER, I WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT SIMILAR TO WHAT THE MAYOR SAID, WE'VE HIRED AN ATTORNEY. WE'VE HIRED A LOBBYIST TO OUT OF ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO DELIVER TO US. I THINK ON THE ATTORNEY SIDE IS OUR STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES RELATED TO THE AIRPORT IS WHAT I'M EXPECTING. AND I WANT TO REMIND YOU, WHY WOULD YOU GO DOWN THE PATH OF SPENDING MONEY RELATED TO DEFINING YOUR OPTIONS ON YOUR LEASE. IF YOUR LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION SAYS YOU DON'T OWN IT. WELL, AND I HAVE THAT IN WRITING. YEAH. OKAY. SO IF WE DON'T OWN IT, DON'T YOU THINK YOU SHOULD GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF FIRST? THROUGH YOUR ATTORNEYS. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF MR. YOUNG GOT A PHONE CALL, BUT THAT WAS CLEARLY A TYPO. SHE CALLED ME. OKAY. SO NOW SO NOW OUR LEGISLATIVE. NOW WE'RE DEALING WITH TYPOS. IT WAS A TYPO. OUT OF OUR ELECTED LEADERS AT THE STATE LEVEL. WHAT? HOW RIDICULOUS. SO YEAH. SO IF THERE'S NO OTHER TYPOS THAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS. WHAT IF THERE'S NO OTHER TYPOS, THEN YES, I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. YEAH. THANK YOU. AND I HAVE ONE OTHER ITEM, MAYOR AND I. YES. AND I HATE DOING THIS IN PUBLIC. I HATE SUNSHINE. THIS PART OF IT. I THINK WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TALK LIKE ADULTS WHEREVER. BUT IT'S BROUGHT UP TO ME BY ACTUALLY SEVERAL PEOPLE. MAYOR SENDS OUT A FABULOUS NEWSLETTER. IT'S GREAT. I WAS GETTING FUSSED AT FOR SOME STUFF THAT WAS OMITTED FROM IT. THEY FELT LIKE WAS OMITTED. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDED TO THE NEWSLETTER. AND I SAID, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT NEWSLETTER. THAT'S MAYOR NEWSLETTER AND SAID, WELL, NO, IT'S IF IT'S MAYOR, IT'S ALL OF YOU. I JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT'S NOT THE CASE. BUT THE NEWSLETTER IS FROM THE MAYOR. SHE DOES NOT SPEAK FOR THE COUNCIL. SHE USES WHATEVER MAILING LIST SHE USES AND DOES IT HOWEVER SHE DOES. AND THAT'S THAT. NOW WHY DON'T THEY CALL HER? WHY'D THEY CALL YOU? WELL, THEY DON'T LIKE HER. REALLY? YEAH, BUT I MEAN, YOU DON'T WANT TO BE A MIDDLEMAN. I MEAN, THAT'S SO UNCOMFORTABLE. IT DOESN'T MATTER. BUT THE ADULTS. WELL, BUT IT COULD HAVE HAPPENED. IT COULD. SO SUPPOSE SOMETHING ANY OF US COULD DO, I GUESS A NEWSLETTER AND SEND IT TO SANDRA? HAVE HER HELP US MAKE ONE AND SEND IT OUT IS WHAT I'M SAYING. SO WE DON'T CHOOSE TO DO THAT. AND WHO KNOWS WHY PEOPLE DO WHATEVER THEY DO? I'M JUST SAYING I GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH IT, AND IT'S NOT. IT DOESN'T SPEAK FOR THE COUNCIL, AND THAT'S THAT. THANK YOU. ARE YOU COMPLETE? WELL, THAT'S GOOD INFORMATION, BUT DID THEY TELL YOU SPECIFICS THAT I DO HAVE? IF YOU WANT, I CAN SEND YOU A BULLET. ACTUALLY, I'VE GOT IT IN WRITING, IN BULLET POINTS OF THE THINGS THAT. AND IT'S VERY SIMPLE, TO BE FAIR. IT'S JUST SIMPLE STUFF. AND BE ACCURATE AND FAIR. THAT'S ALL I TRY AND DO. IT'S JUST SIMPLE STUFF THAT THERE'S PEOPLE ON THE OTHER SIDES OF ISSUES THAT WANT WOULD, WOULD SAY THINGS OR DO THINGS A DIFFERENT WAY. THAT'S ALL. AND I MEET WITH EVERYBODY. I'D LOVE TO MEET WITH THEM. I'M SORRY. THEY DON'T LIKE ME. OKAY. IF YOU IF YOU WANT EVERYBODY. YOU DON'T WANT EVERYBODY TO LIKE YOU. SO THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU. SURE. WELL, THOSE WERE EASY. I, I WANTED TO ECHO ECHO SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE SAID ABOUT THE THE FLOOD PANELS BECAUSE THERE WERE ABOUT 150 ATTENDEES, WHICH IS LARGER, I THINK, THAN I'VE SEEN IN MORE THAN A YEAR. SO THAT TELLS YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT I THINK THAT STAFF KIND OF HAS THE PULSE OF HOW HEATED THESE THINGS ARE AND THAT THAT IT WAS REALLY BADLY NEEDED. SO I THINK THAT IT WAS A GOOD LEVEL SETTING BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE BOUGHT THESE WITH THE BEST OF INTENTIONS. THEY WERE FLOODED, THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A SOLUTION, AND A SALESPERSON CAME AND SAID, HERE'S THE SOLUTION. [05:45:04] YOU CAN GO FIVE FEET. AND SO THEY JUMPED. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, NOT REALLY EVEN THINKING ABOUT HYDROSTATIC AND HYDROLOGICAL PRESSURES. WHAT ARE THEY? WHO KNOWS? BUT YOU KNOW, IT KIND OF CONCEPTUALLY, BUT IT'S NOT THE PANACEA THAT EVERYBODY WAS LOOKING FOR. AND SO I THINK THAT REALLY HELPED TO LEVEL SET IT, I THINK WOULD ALSO HELP TO LEVEL SET IT FOR THE PUBLIC THAT IS STILL WATCHING IS THE FACT THAT THAT IT CAN BE USING THESE PANELS IN A WAY THAT IS AGAINST THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE CAN NEGATE YOUR INSURANCE CLAIM. SO IF YOU DO GET FLOODING THAT, THAT REALLY THAT REALLY OPENED MY EYES A BIT IS THAT USE THEM AT YOUR OWN RISK. AND YOU CAN HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS IF YOU DON'T USE IT. THE THIRD THING THAT THEY DIDN'T SHOW, BUT I HAD I HAD SUBMITTED IT TO STEVEN, WAS THAT WE ALL PERSONALLY GET A DISCOUNT ON OUR FLOOD INSURANCE WHEN WE, WHEN WE DO THIS, AND IT'S 25%. AND I JUST GOT MY RENEWAL AND I THINK MINE WAS ABOUT $700. SO I CIRCLED IT AND SENT IT IN. SO EVERY ONE OF US SAVES BECAUSE THEY'RE BEING STRICT ABOUT THIS AND REALLY TRYING TO GET PEOPLE TO ADHERE TO IT. SO I THOUGHT IT WAS OVERALL GREAT MEETING. AND AND THE VIDEOS THAT WE COULD NOT HEAR ON THE OUTSIDE CAN BE WATCHED ONLINE. SO MR. FROHLICH SAID THAT THEY'RE ALL ONLINE AND CAN BE ENJOYED. THE NEWS, THE NEWS, THINGS THAT WERE SHOWN DURING THE MEETING. THE SECOND THING I WANTED TO BRING UP WAS THE AIRPORT. AND, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS, I THINK, AT THE HEART OF IT, JUST A COUPLE THINGS. ONE IS THIS COALITION OF SOME HOMEOWNER HOA LEADERS I WROTE THEM BACK, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL IDEAS. ONE OF WHICH WAS THE WAS OPENING UP A LEASE. ANOTHER WAS WAS POSSIBLY SELLING IT. IF THE RESILIENCY IS REALLY THE NUMBER ONE THING, AND WE WANT TO GET $1 BILLION TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO IN THE CITY, WHICH IT'S GOING TO BE THAT PRICE TAG IS GOING TO BE IN THE BILLIONS TO DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO. AND SO LET'S NOT HAVE A SACRED COW AND LOOK AT THIS, YOU KNOW, IN A VERY EVEN HANDED MANNER. BUT WE HAVE ONE FUNDAMENTAL THING THAT I THINK I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE ALIGNMENT ON, AND MAYBE WE'LL NEVER GET THERE. AND IT'S ON THIS DAIS AND IT'S CERTAINLY WITH THE NEA, AND THAT IS WHAT ARE THE PROS AND CONS OF TAKING GRANTS AND, YOU KNOW, DO THEY TIE YOUR HANDS AND CAN AND IF YOU GET OUT FROM UNDER THEM, DOES IT PROVIDE OR CAN IT PROVIDE RELIEF BY BRINGING THE FAA TO THE TABLE. AND WE'VE GOTTEN A COUPLE DIFFERENT LEGAL OPINIONS. AND YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE GREAT IF WE CAN GET OUR ATTORNEYS TO ONE, GET THE FORMAL OPINION FROM, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR LEGAL ATTORNEY AND AND HIS AVIATION EXPERTISE AND THEN GET TOGETHER WITH THE, WITH KIRSCH TO SORT OF SAY, OKAY, WE THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE ARGUMENTS CAN BE MADE THAT THEY, THAT THEY DO TIE YOUR HANDS AND HERE, HERE THEY ARE ALL ARGUMENTS THAT WE THAT THEY DON'T. AND THIS IS A LEEWAY YOU CAN HAVE IF YOU CAN GET, GET OUT FROM UNDER THEM SO THAT WE CAN MAKE OUR OWN DECISION. AND, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY AT LEAST SEE THE OTHER SIDE. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. ON ON THESE AND MAYBE EVEN COME TO CONSENSUS ON WHAT WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO DO. BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AT ONE POINT WE HAD A CONSENSUS WITH THE NA TO THAT WE ALL WANTED LOCAL CONTROL. AND WE THOUGHT ONE PATH WAS WAS STOPPING TAKING GRANTS. IF IF THAT'S NOT TRUE, I WANT TO KNOW IF IT IS TRUE, THEN I'D LIKE TO PURSUE IT. AND YOU KNOW, I THINK I THINK THERE'S MORE WORK TO BE DONE THERE, AND I KNOW THAT YOU'RE WORKING ON IT, MATTHEW. ON PIECES OF THIS. BUT THERE'S A LOT OF ENERGY IN THE, IN THE CITY AND, AND IN THE FURTHER COMMUNITY ABOUT THIS TOPIC. SO IF YOU'LL RECALL, IF I MAY, FOR A MINUTE. YES, SIR. THE LAST MEETING, YOU GOT CONSENSUS TO SEND FIVE QUESTIONS TO BAA. FIRST ONE BEING WHAT BENEFITS ARE THERE TO NOT TAKING GRANTS. HE IS WORKING ON THAT. I HAD TO MAKE A PUBLIC RECORDS REQUEST FOR ONE OF THE ITEMS RELATED TO THE ACQUISITION OF COUNTY PROPERTY IN THE 1990S. NAR SENT ME THOSE RECORDS ON MONDAY. I FACILITATED FACILITATED THAT TO ANDREW BARR. I'M ANTICIPATING A HIS ANSWERS IN WRITING TO YOU ALL PROBABLY BY LATE NEXT WEEK. FANTASTIC. AND SO JUST WANT I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT LIKE HE'S THE ONE. YEAH. HE'S THE ONE. I KNOW A LOT ABOUT AIRPORTS NOW THAN I DID BEFORE, BUT HE'S THE ONE ACTUALLY ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS. YEAH. AND I THINK THAT'S GREAT. BUT YOU KNOW, I'M GLAD IT'S GOING THROUGH YOU BECAUSE WE SORT OF GO THROUGH YOU TO, TO WHAT IS OUR LEGAL WHAT ARE OUR LEGAL RIGHTS. AND I'D LIKE FOR THAT TO, TO CONTINUE. THE YOU KNOW THE SO I THINK THAT THAT IS A THAT'S A REALLY IMPORTANT THING. [05:50:05] I THINK THAT IF I'M READING THE EMAILS RIGHT FROM THE COALITION THEY'RE BASICALLY SAYING, IF YOU SELECT PEOPLE THAT ARE OPEN TO TAKING GRANTS, WE WE WILL DROP. WE WILL GET MISS PASSIDOMO TO DROP THE THE THE, THE BILL THAT IS BEING PURSUED. AND THAT WAS SORT OF THE GIST THAT I'M GETTING FROM THAT. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S REALLY TRUE. IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S IT'S PRETTY FAR DOWN THE LINE. I, YOU KNOW, I THINK YOU'D HAVE TO THAT'S PART OF THE NEGOTIATION OF OF MAKING THE BILL. RIGHT? YEAH, YEAH. AND I'M NOT SURE JUST THAT THAT'S, THAT'S THE IMPRESSION THAT, THAT I GOT. BUT YOU KNOW, MORE CONVERSATIONS ARE GOOD AND IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO GO ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE TABLE. AND EVEN IF IT'S SUPER UNCOMFORTABLE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE ALL NONE OF US ON THIS DAIS ARE AVIATION ATTORNEYS. BUT SHE DIDN'T DIDN'T PASSIDOMO. THERE WERE FOUR SIGNATORIES TO THAT. BUT SHE CAN KILL THE BILL. I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND JUST NOT PUT IT FORWARD ONCE. IT'S ONCE, IT'S THERE. OKAY. I'M CONFUSED. WE DON'T UNDERSTAND. IT'S NOT ABOUT TAKING GRANTS. THEY DECIDED NOT TO TAKE GRANTS. WELL, YOU KNOW, THEY TWO NA MEMBERS DID, BUT WE WERE ENCOURAGED. YOU KNOW, I WAS AT LEAST ENCOURAGING THEM NOT TO BECAUSE I WANTED TO GET RELIEF. I WANTED TO BALANCE THE COMMUNITY CONCERNS ON NOISE AND VOLUME. AND THAT THAT'S A PATH WE'VE BEEN TOLD THAT IS SORT OF THE FIRST STEP. SO I'D LIKE TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, GET GET A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THAT. I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW SHORTLY THEREAFTER. WHAT? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? CERTAINLY THE AIRPORT IS, IS DYING TO EXTEND THE LEASE. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO WANT ON THE GIVE ME WE NEED TO DECIDE WHAT WE WANT, ASIDE FROM MONEY, BECAUSE 3 TO $5 MILLION IS A PEANUT FOR RESILIENCY. NOISE RELIEF AND SOME AND, YOU KNOW, VOLUME CAPS WOULD BE WOULD BE INTERESTING TO ME, BUT THAT WOULD INVOLVE PULLING THE FAA IN, PERHAPS. SO I I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO MORE HEALTHY HEALTHY DISCUSSIONS. AND THAT'S ALL FOR ME. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU. WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THAT, MR. MCCONNELL HAD FIVE THINGS OR MORE ON THE LOOK AHEAD THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE HE GETS DISTRACTED NOT BY YOURSELF, BUT BY US AND DELEGATING MORE WORK. AND I IF WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY THAT'S LOOKING AT WHAT WE CAN DO, IS THAT THE ATTORNEY THEN COULD THAT ATTORNEY WHO WAS REVIEWING ALL THE OLD DOCUMENTS TELL US WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THE LEASE, BECAUSE THEY'RE REVIEWING A LOT OF DOCUMENTS. SO, NUMBER ONE, THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU ACKNOWLEDGING THAT AND STATING THAT. BUT ANYTIME I GET DIRECTION FROM YOU ALL, ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE ATTORNEYS INVOLVED, I TAKE IT AS COUNSEL WANTS ME INVOLVED IN LEADING, BUT NOT NECESSARILY ALWAYS DOING THE WORK. SO I THINK I'VE BUILT A GOOD RAPPORT WITH YOU ALL TO KNOW. I KNOW WHEN TO GET PEOPLE INVOLVED AND WHAT TO DO FOR CERTAIN THINGS. SO TO YOUR QUESTION, YES, I THINK SOME OF THESE DIRECT IT TO SOME. I THINK SOME OF THESE QUESTIONS WILL BE ANSWERED IN THE RESEARCH THAT MR. COLE IS DOING. I THINK SOME OF THIS WILL BE ANSWERED IN WHAT MR. BARR IS DOING AS WELL. SOMETIMES I'M SIMPLY JUST THE FACILITATOR OF THE REQUEST. PLUS, I HAVE OTHER ATTORNEYS IN MY OFFICE, TOO. BUT I DO APPRECIATE YOU SAYING IT, BECAUSE THERE ARE TIMES WHERE THERE'S KIND OF A LOT COMING AT ME IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. SO THANK YOU FOR ACKNOWLEDGING THAT. THANK YOU. AND I'M GLAD TO KNOW HOW YOU'LL HANDLE THAT. SO THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU. SO FIRST OF ALL WE TALKED ABOUT FLOOD BARRIERS. AND I'VE BEEN HAVING DREAMS OF A BRAND CALLED FLEX SEAL FLOOD BARRIERS. YES. AND I HAVE DIBS ON THAT. JUST SO YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THE FLEX SEAL COMMERCIALS, NOTHING LEAKS IF IT'S GOT FLEX YEAH. AND IT WORKED WELL WITH OUR RESIDENCES. IT. SHE'S SERIOUS. YEAH. FLEX HILL YOU MEAN THEY'VE USED IT? AND THE GENERIC VERSION OF FLEXERIL. I DON'T DOUBT IT FOR WINS, ACE. SO. BUT IT IS GOOD NEWS. 150 OF OUR RESIDENTS ATTENDED. SO THAT'S THAT'S HUGE. THAT'S A BIG DEAL. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. [05:55:02] AND THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN FOR SHARING THAT. WE WE HAVE RETAINED MR. JAMIE COLE WITH THE FIRM OF, I'LL JUST SAY THE FIRST TWO NAMES, BUT Y SIROTA, WEISS SIROTA KEEPS GOING. AND THEN THE CITY ATTORNEY TALKED ABOUT A LOBBYIST AND SOME TWEAKS THAT WE'VE HAD WITH THAT RELATIONSHIP AS THEY WORK ON OUR BEHALF. TODAY WE ADDED A TASK, AND IT WAS JUST NOW DISCUSSED OF REQUESTING, I BELIEVE, A THOROUGH LEGAL OPINION WHICH WILL INFORM US OF OUR OPTIONS RELATED TO NOW THAT WE KNOW THAT WE OWN THE AIRPORT. BY THE WAY WE'RE GOING TO BE INFORMED OF OUR OPTIONS RELATED TO OUR LEASE. WHAT I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR ALL, MR. MCCONNELL IS JUST A REMINDER OF WHAT MR. JAMIE COLE OF Y02. WHAT DO YOU BELIEVE THEY ARE ALSO TASKED WITH? WHAT IS OUR ASK OF THAT FIRM? OKAY. MAY I PROVIDE TWO ANSWERS? YES, PLEASE. BECAUSE I HEARD TWO QUESTIONS. NUMBER ONE, JUST TO CLARIFY THE DIRECTION, THE DIRECTION THAT I HEARD TODAY FROM KRAMER, WHICH WAS A CONSENSUS, WAS NOT TO PREPARE A LEGAL OPINION SIMPLY TO DETERMINE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND WHAT'S REQUIRED TO POTENTIALLY OPEN A LEASE. THAT'S IT. RIGHT. LIKE WHAT? SO I WANT TO YEAH, I JUST I THAT'D BE HELPFUL. BUT THEN FOR MR.. BUT LET'S GO BACK. OKAY. SAY THAT AGAIN. SO SO WE HAVE A LEASE SO WE HAVE A LEASE. SO SO WHAT I HEARD AND WHAT I BELIEVE I GOT CONSENSUS ON AND DIRECTION ON WAS TO SIMPLY SAY IF COUNCIL WERE TO WANT TO OPEN THIS, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? AND FOR WHAT REASONS CAN YOU OPEN IT? WHAT AMENDMENTS ARE REQUIRED? WHAT WILL FAA APPROVE? DO YOU HAVE TO EXTEND THE TERM OR IS IT A NONSTARTER? THOSE KIND OF THINGS. THE PROCESS, THE PROCESS OF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF COUNCIL WANTED TO. VERY GOOD. OKAY. SECOND PART. JAMIE COLE AGAIN. HIM? GREG ROBINSON HIRED ONE SPECIFIC PURPOSE. AIRPORT AUTHORITY ACT OR AMENDMENT TO THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY ACT. HOUSE BILL. I THINK IT'S FILED 4005. THAT IS THEIR FOCUS. AND WHAT ABOUT IT? CONSENSUS I GOT FROM COUNCIL WAS TO TRY TO STOP IT FROM PASSING. THAT WAS. THAT'S TO KEEP IT AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE. IS THIS IS BEING PROPOSED? HIRE THEM TO TRY TO STOP IT. AND THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND THEN WHAT WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? HOW DOES. AS THEY'RE TRYING TO STOP IT. ARE THERE IS THERE A POINT WHERE COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE INFORMED OF ANYTHING RELATED TO THAT? YES, BUT THOSE UPDATES WILL PROBABLY HAPPEN IN THE FORM OF PRIVATE TELEPHONE CALLS. OKAY, NOT AS A BODY AND IT'S UP TO YOU. BUT UNLESS THERE'S REAL PROGRESS BEING MADE, I THINK THAT MOST OF THE UPDATES. OKAY, AGAIN, WHATEVER YOU ALL WANT. YEAH, I THINK IT'S GREAT IF THE CITY MANAGER AND THE TWO, THE TWO OF YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT'S MOVING FORWARD. SO IF SOMEONE TALKS TO THE CITY MANAGER AND DOESN'T TALK TO YOU, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THE COMMUNICATION IS BOTH WAYS. SO IF I TALK, TALK TO MR. YOUNG AND NOT YOU, HE'S INFORMED. I SEE THAT I SEE HER. YEAH, I'M NOT SURE I FOLLOW THAT. I'M SORRY. I JUST WANT THE CITY MANAGER TO KNOW EXACTLY THE WAY WE'RE MOVING. THAT'S ALL. BUT I SEE THE CONFUSION THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE OUR GO TO PERSON. SO WE'LL RELY ON YOU TO MAKE SURE WE'RE INFORMED. I ASSUME YOU LET THE CITY MANAGER KNOW ANYWAY. CORRECT. BUT JUST TO KEEP IT AT THE BASE LEVEL, THE WHOLE PREMISE OF WHY THESE PEOPLE WERE HIRED IS TO TRY TO STOP THIS ACT FROM GETTING APPROVED. SO ALTHOUGH THERE WILL BE UPDATES THROUGHOUT THAT, LIKE, HEY, IT'S IN A COMMITTEE AND I MAY SEND AN EMAIL OR, HEY, PASS THIS TODAY. FOR THE MOST PART, I JUST WANT TO KEEP IT AS SIMPLE. THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE DOING OR TRYING TO DO. DID THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? YES. VICE MAYOR. YEAH. THAT HELPS. WASN'T THERE A SECOND THING? AND THAT IS WHAT ARE OUR RIGHTS? NO MATTER HOW MUCH I TRY. WE TALK ABOUT THE AIRPORT EVERY TIME. HOT TOPIC. ALMOST AS HOT AS PLAYGROUNDS THIS CAME UP AGAIN, AND I'LL JUST REITERATE WHAT I SAID LAST TIME. [06:00:02] I STILL HAVEN'T HEARD AS A BODY WHAT YOU WANT TO DO. IT'S NEVER BEEN CLEAR. I HEARD TODAY OH, NO. NO, I'M JUST. I'M JUST LIKE, WHEN IT COMES TO TODAY, I GOT CLEAR DIRECTION ON. LET'S SEE HOW WE WOULD EVEN GO ABOUT POTENTIALLY OPENING A LEASE. GREAT. SOMETHING THAT I CAN ACTUALLY HAMMER DOWN AND TRY TO WORK WITH BAR AND KIRSCH AND TRY TO GET THOSE ANSWERS ON. BUT WHEN YOU SAY, WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS ARE. I GUESS MY FOLLOW UP QUESTION IS WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS TO DO? WHAT? WELL, TO TERMINATE THE LEASE TO TO GAIN LOCAL CONTROL. LIKE WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS TO DO WHAT? OKAY. I THOUGHT WE HAD HAD CONSENSUS ON WHAT ARE OUR RIGHTS. AS A PROPERTY HOLDER AND AS A LEASE HOLDER UNDER THE LEASE. WHAT ARE OUR RIGHTS TO DO THINGS LIKE BREAK THE LEASE, TO AMEND THE LEASE TO WHAT? YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY IT. WHAT ARE WHAT ARE OUR RIGHTS? WELL THEN I THINK PART OF THAT IS GOING TO BE ANSWERED BASED ON THE CONSENSUS I GOT TODAY. YEAH. OKAY. I, I THINK WE BETTER CHECK THE MINUTES, BUT I THINK IT WAS ALSO IF, IF THIS BILL PASSES, WHAT ARE OUR RIGHTS? I MEAN, DO WE HAVE ANY RIGHTS? YES. THAT IS. BUT JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT IS ALSO INFORMATION. I DON'T EVEN I I'LL JUST STOP THERE. YES. YES. OKAY. MADAM MAYOR, I'M. UNLESS YOU HAD A FOLLOW UP. OH, NO. OKAY. MY LAST ITEM TODAY DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. WE HAD A COALITION SPOKESPERSON. SO FOR THOSE OF YOU JUST TUNING IN, THE COALITION IS A GROUP OF HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS. AND THEY HAD WRITTEN AN EMAIL THAT I RECEIVED YESTERDAY. READ IT. SO THERE THE EMAIL HAD DIFFERENT DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE AIRPORT. AS WE ALL KNOW, MOST OF THEM, I DON'T KNOW, I HAVEN'T TALKED TO YOU GUYS ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU RECEIVED THE EMAIL AND READ IT, BUT IT'S OUT THERE. SO THE SPOKESPERSON TODAY MADE THE STATEMENT, AND THE STATEMENT WAS AT LEAST TWO. AND I'M PUTTING IN A POINTED NA COMMISSIONERS WERE ANTI GRANT. OKAY. THEY WERE ANTI GRANT. SO THE SUGGESTION BY SAYING THAT IS THAT WE'RE NOT DOING OUR JOB. IF WE'RE PUTTING PEOPLE ON THAT COMMISSION THAT ARE ANTI GRANT. SO THEN THERE SHOULD BE THE INSINUATION IS THERE NEEDS TO BE A LITMUS TEST THAT NO ONE IS GOING TO TURN DOWN A GRANT. RIGHT. WHY WHY ELSE BRING IT UP. SO I WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT HOW YOU DO THAT. IF THE COALITION OF THESE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS ARE TELLING US YOU DON'T NEED TO BE APPOINTING PEOPLE, IN FACT, LET US TELL YOU HOW THEY NEED TO THINK AND HOW THEY NEED TO SERVE AND HOW THEY NEED TO RULE AND VOTE. I THINK I'M I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THAT. SO. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST. I JUST THOUGHT IT WAS STRANGE TODAY TO FOR SOMEBODY TO STAY. THE SPOKESPERSON FOR THESE FOLKS TO SAY TWO OF THEM WERE ANTI GRANT AND IMPLYING THAT, WELL, EVERYTHING THAT THAT IMPLIES AND I JUST HAVE A CONCERN WITH IT. NOW I DON'T HAVE THE EMAIL IN FRONT OF ME, BUT I ALSO CLEARLY READ LAST NIGHT THAT THE IMPLICATION WAS THAT OUR VOTING ON COMMISSIONERS IS RIGGED. THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THEY WERE SAYING. IT'S RIGGED BECAUSE THEY SAW A PATTERN. AND I LOOKED AT THE VOTING AND WE ASSIGNED NUMBERS TO CANDIDATES, AND I SAW SEVERAL PATTERNS. I SAW A GROUP OF PEOPLE VOTING ONE ON A CERTAIN CANDIDATE. I DIDN'T SEE ANY REAL AGREEMENT ON NUMBER TWO. I SAW SOME AGREEMENT ON WHO THE LAST ONE WAS, SO IT MUST BE RIGGED THERE AS WELL. BUT IT'S IT'S IT'S I DON'T THINK IT'S REALLY NECESSARY. AND IT WAS CLEARLY INTENDED JUST LIKE THIS COMMENT ABOUT TWO OF YOUR COMMISSIONERS WERE ANTI GRANT [06:05:03] THE, THE IMPLICATIONS HERE OR THE SUGGESTION HERE IS THAT YOU NEED TO VOTE THE WAY WE NEED TO TELL YOU TO VOTE, WHICH IS COUNTER. IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE TO WHAT THEY WERE ARGUING IN THE FIRST PLACE. I MEAN IF THEY'RE SAYING THE THE VOTING IS RIGGED, YET THEY WANT TO RIG IT THE OTHER WAY, I, I THINK THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO A GOOD JOB FOR YEARS AND YEARS. WE'VE HAD A NA AND COMMISSIONERS THAT HAVE GONE DOWN A PATH. THAT BRINGS US TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. WHATEVER THAT PATH IS. AND IF THAT MEANS THAT IT'S PRIMARILY CONSIST OF PILOTS, FINE. THAT'S. I DON'T AGREE WITH IT. I THINK THAT IF IF YOU LOOK AT AIRPORTS AROUND THE COUNTRY, ACCIDENTS ARE HAPPENING ALMOST EVERY WEEK, AND IT'S SOME OF THOSE AIRPORTS THAT ARE RUN BY PILOTS AND THE CONGESTION AND WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING ISN'T SOLVING THE PROBLEMS. IT'S NOT MAKING IT SAFER. AND THAT'S WHAT WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT IS THE SAFETY. AND FOR ME, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT FOR ME IT'S ABOUT SAFETY. IT'S ABOUT PROPERLY MANAGING THE AIRPORT. IT'S NOT MOVING THE AIRPORT. IT'S IT'S JUST HAVING PEOPLE WHO CAN GIVE CRITICAL THOUGHT. THEY LOOK AT THINGS AND THEY THEY FIGURE IT OUT AND DO WHAT'S BEST FOR THEIR COMMUNITY. AND I'LL POINT YOU TO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OCCURRED TO ME IN THE WEE HOURS OF THIS MORNING IS A BUNCH OF PEOPLE TAKING FLIGHT SCHOOLS IN VENICE, FLORIDA. RIGHT. AND THEY WERE ONLY CONCERNED WITH A CERTAIN THING. I HOPE THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN HERE. BUT THERE ARE THERE ARE SERIOUS THINGS TO CONSIDER WHEN MANAGING AN AIRPORT. IF YOU THINK ABOUT THIS AIRPORT AND ITS PROXIMITY TO KEY PEOPLE AND KEY LOCATIONS ON THE OTHER COAST, THERE'S THERE'S A LOT OF REASONS JUST TO BUT PRIMARILY THE SAFETY OF OUR RESIDENTS IS AIRCRAFT FLIGHT OPERATIONS CONTINUE TO ESCALATE AND NO CAP IN SIGHT. IT'S A CONCERN. SO, MADAM MAYOR, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. TO GO DOWN THE ROAD OF THE AIRPORT? IF WE ARE ASKING OUR LOBBYISTS TO LOBBY ON OUR BEHALF TO KEEP THE ENABLING ACT INTACT AND THAT THE MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED BY CITY WE SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN IN FRONT OF THE APPROPRIATIONS BILL, 250, THAT TOOK HOME RULE AWAY FROM US. IF WE WOULD HAVE KNOWN THAT THE APPROPRIATIONS BILL HAD THAT HOME RULE TAKING IN THE BACK OF IT. AND JUST AS WE'RE DOING WITH 180, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD ALSO CONSIDER MR. MCCONNELL IN OUR LOBBYING STRATEGIES, WHETHER WE WRITE A LETTER TO THE GOVERNOR AND INFORMING HIM OF OUR CONCERNS ABOUT THE HOME RULE AND THE TAKING AND THE OPENING OF THIS ENABLING ACT, BECAUSE WE'VE GONE THIS FAR AND THEN COME BACK AND LET US KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE AS A BODY SHOULD. RIGHT. BUT I FEEL I NEED TO WRITE TO THE GOVERNOR MYSELF, AND YOU GUYS CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANT, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE HE NEEDS TO KNOW WHERE WE STAND ON THIS, BECAUSE HE SIGNS OFF ON MOST OF THESE, AND HE'S HE'S WORKING IN TANDEM. MY OTHER QUESTION IS THAT DID THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS EVEN REQUEST THIS OF BOTANA? AND IT'S VERY CONCERNING TO ME THAT THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS DID NOT ASK FOR THIS. AND IF THEY DID, IT'S CONCERNING. I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT. NOT NOW, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T EVEN WANT TO ENTERTAIN MOVING THE AIRPORT TO THE COUNTY, AND NOW THEY WANT TO HAVE EXPAND SO THAT WE HAVE COUNTY MANY VOTERS ON THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY. IT SEEMS VERY CONVOLUTED THAT THAT THIS WHOLE PROCESS WHICH I'VE SPOKEN TO MR. MCCONNELL ABOUT, I JUST WANTED TO SHARE THAT OUT LOUD. I'M SURE I'M MAKING FRIENDS AS I SPEAK. THE OTHER IS AGAIN, MR. MCCONNELL HAS BEEN TASKED TO RELOOKING AT THE CODES WITH STAFF IN THE CITY MANAGER THAT LOOK INTO THE RESILIENCY [06:10:05] PIECE OF LOT COVERAGE, THE ONES THAT WE RESCINDED. SO, YOU KNOW, PRIORITIES OF THE CITY ATTORNEY ARE KIND OF I MEAN, WE NEED TO GET THOSE ALIGNED JUST AS WELL AS WE NEED TO GET OUR CITY COUNCIL PRIORITIES ALIGNED. BECAUSE IF IF OUR PRIORITIES AREN'T ARE NOT ABLE TO BE MET BECAUSE HE'S HE'S EXTENDED WAY TOO FAR. THEN WE NEED JUST TO BE CAUTIOUS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET ANYTHING COMPLETE. WE HAVE MICRO TRANSIT, MICRO MOBILITY FIFTH AVENUE OVERLAY, OUTDOOR DINING. OH YEAH. THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF THINGS THAT PRIORITIES WE CAN'T ADDRESS BECAUSE UNFORTUNATELY, WE GET STUCK ON ONE TOPIC AND IT REALLY WE NEED TO MANAGE OUR TIME IN MAKING SURE WE TAKE CARE OF OTHER BUSINESS AND NOT GETTING DISTRACTED WITH ONE PARTICULAR TOPIC. SO WITH THAT OUR NEXT MEETING IS NOVEMBER 17TH AND 19TH. I THOUGHT WE'D BE OUT BY TWO. IT'S THREE. BUT WITH THAT, WE. GREAT DAY. AND WE ARE ADJOURNED. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.