[1) CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL]
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          THIS. MONDAY, OCTOBER 13TH, 2025 WORKSHOP CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL. COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER CRISMAN HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          KRAMER HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. SHE IS HERE, BUT SHE'S HERE. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          PETRANOFF HERE. VICE MAYOR HUTCHINSON HERE. MAYOR HEITMANN HERE. THANK YOU. AND IF YOU'LL PLEASE STAND AND JOIN ME IN THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. GOOD MORNING, MR. YOUNG. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR. 
          [3) SET AGENDA (add or remove items)]
JUST A COUPLE. JUST A COUPLE ITEMS. THE FIRST IS AN UPDATE ON ITEM SIX C. WE POSTED A SUPPLEMENT AND WE UPDATED THE TITLE. AND TO INCLUDE THAT, WE WOULD CONTINUE THIS ITEM TO A FUTURE WORKSHOP OR COUNCIL MEETING. IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU HAVE AN ITEM BEFORE YOU IS ITEM 6BI WAS A MEMBER, MR. FOWLER FROM THE PAB REQUESTED THAT THIS DOCUMENT BE SHARED AS PART OF THE PUBLIC RECORD FOR ITEM SIX B SO THEREFORE WE YOU HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU. I PUT A COPY IN FRONT OF THE CLERK, AND I PUT COPIES IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM, AND THAT'LL BE ALL. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. MCCONNELL. YOU HAD SOMETHING? YES. THANK YOU MAYOR. GOOD MORNING. SO I WANTED TO LEAVE IT UP TO COUNCIL ON HOW TO HANDLE. BUT AT THE LAST MEETING, THERE WAS A VERY SPECIFIC MOTION AND CONSENSUS FOR ME TO MAKE PHONE CALLS TO POTENTIAL LOBBYISTS AND AIRPORT ATTORNEYS RELATED TO THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY ACT, WHICH I DID. I WAS GOING TO BRING IT UP IN COMMUNICATIONS, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS THE COUNCIL'S WILL TO MAYBE ADD IT AS THE LAST THING ON THE AGENDA SO THAT WE COULD HAVE A DISCUSSION ON IT. BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE BECAUSE I AM GOING TO NEED A LITTLE BIT OF DIRECTION TODAY JUST DUE TO TIME CONSTRAINTS AND THE PRIORITY THAT COUNCIL EMPHASIZED. COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER. SINCE IT'S DEALING WITH LITIGATION, CAN WE DO THIS IN AN EXECUTIVE SESSION? I DON'T WANT ANY STRATEGY THAT WE MAY COME UP WITH TO BE PUBLIC RIGHT NOW. THERE CURRENTLY IS NO PENDING LITIGATION ON THE AIRPORT. SO THIS IS THIS IS RELATED TO THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY ACT. UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, SUING THEM. NO SUING. NO NO NO I JUST NEED DIRECTION. ON IF WE SHOULD GO WITH THE COUNCIL THAT I CALLED AND THE LOBBYIST THAT I SPOKE TO, BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO, AT THE END OF THE DAY, BE OVER THE CITY MANAGER'S AUTHORITY SPENDING AUTHORITY. OKAY, JUST TO BE CLEAR, COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER, MR. MCCONNELL, THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO THE ENABLING ACT LEGISLATION MOVING THROUGH. RIGHT. BUT OKAY, AREN'T WE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DEFEND OURSELVES AGAINST THAT? WELL, WE HAVE TO KNOW WHAT OUR RIGHTS ARE AND THAT'S THAT. I I'LL LET OTHER MEMBERS OF COUNCIL CLARIFY THAT I HAVE. 
          WELL, I TRUST MATTHEW. I MEAN, IF HE SAYS, YEAH, OKAY. VICE MAYOR AND THEN COUNCIL MEMBER KRISTEN, THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. MR. MCCONNELL, WOULD THIS HAPPEN VIA A CONSENSUS OR A VOTE IN TERMS OF GETTING IT ON THE AGENDA? IT'S A CONSENSUS TO GET IT ON ON THE AGENDA. AND WE'RE IN A WORKSHOP. SO I WOULD NEED A VOTE. I'M JUST REALLY LOOKING FOR DIRECTION BECAUSE AGAIN, I WAS GOING TO DO IT DURING COMMUNICATIONS. BUT SINCE IT'S SUCH A HOT TOPIC AND I KNOW THE PUBLIC IS WATCHING, I THOUGHT IT MAY BE BETTER TO JUST ADD AN ITEM SO THAT WE CAN GET INTO THE SPECIFICS OF WHO I SPOKE TO, WHAT THEY'RE CHARGING, ETC. SO CONSENSUS TO GET IT ON THE AGENDA. AND ONCE WE DISCUSS IT, A CONSENSUS ON THE DIRECTION. CORRECT. I WOULD SUPPORT THAT. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. I'LL SUPPORT THAT. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER CHRISTMAN. YEAH, AGAIN, THIS IS ABOUT TWO THINGS. ONE IS LEGAL ASSISTANCE AND THE OTHER IS LOBBYING ASSISTANCE, CORRECT? YES. YEAH. SO I MEAN, TO ME. I THINK WE CAN HAVE THE DISCUSSION DURING COMMUNICATIONS. OKAY. BUT IF IT'S THE WILL OF COUNCIL TO WANT TO HAVE IT SET UP AS A SEPARATE AGENDA ITEM, THAT'S FINE WITH ME TOO. BUT IT SEEMS TO ME TO BE A FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD MATTER. I AGREE. OKAY, I HAVE A I CAN COUNT WE 
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HAVE A CONSENSUS TO ADD THIS TO THE AGENDA. ANY OTHER CHANGES? COUNCIL? KNOW WHAT THIS WILL BE A6F. CORRECT? YES SIR. IF THERE ARE NO MORE I'D LIKE TO SET THE AGENDA. THANK YOU. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO SET THE AGENDA. REMOVING ITEM SIX C ADDING. INTO ITEM 6BA MEMO FROM MR. FOWLER ON OUR PAB AND ADDING AN AGENDA. WHAT IS IT? SIX F TO DISCUSS THE THE AIRPORT. SECOND. 
          OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER PETRANOFF AND A SECOND BY VICE MAYOR. ANY DISCUSSION? OKAY. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. WE'RE NOT DISCUSSING THE AIRPORT. WE'RE SIMPLY JUST DISCUSSING THE TWO THINGS LOBBYIST AND ATTORNEY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT CLARIFICATION. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR FOR SETTING THE AGENDA? SAY AYE. OPPOSED? THANK YOU. 
          [4.A) Interview One Applicant for the Code Enforcement Board, One Applicant for the Community Services Advisory Board, and One Applicant for the Design Review Board.  ]
COUNCIL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. OUR NEXT ITEM IS FOR AND IT'S INTERVIEWS FOR OUR COMMITTEES AND BOARDS. AND JUST FOR HOUSEKEEPING, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT YOUR CELL PHONES ARE TURNED OFF. AND IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC COMMENT UNDER ITEM FIVE, YOU CAN FILL OUT THE REGISTRATION FORMS IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM AND GIVE THEM TO THE CITY CLERK. AND WITH THAT, MADAM CLERK. GOOD MORNING, JESSICA ROSENBERG, DEPUTY CITY CLERK WE HAVE THREE INTERVIEWS TODAY. WE HAVE ONE APPLICANT FOR THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD, ONE FOR THE COMMUNITY SERVICES ADVISORY BOARD, AND ONE FOR DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND START WITH THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD AND CALL UP MR. HENRY JOHNSON. HE SERVED WITH US BEFORE ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD. WHERE IS THE PLEASURE? PLEASE HAVE A SEAT RIGHT THERE. AND WELCOME BACK, MR. JOHNSON. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MAYOR, AND YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. THE REDS ON SO YOU CAN HEAR ME. YES, SIR. OKAY. VERY GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. I'M HENRY JOHNSON. THANK YOU. AND YOU HAVE SERVED ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BEFORE. 
          THANK YOU. SIR. IS THERE ANY THING YOU'D LIKE TO SAY TO COUNCIL? NO. SERVED FOR. SERVED FOR SIX YEARS. I THINK DURING THE SIX YEAR TENURE THAT I WAS ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD, THAT WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN, IN KEEPING THE NEUTRALITY AS A QUASI JUDICIAL BOARD. AND I WOULD WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO JOIN OUR BOARD AGAIN. THAT'S ALL I WOULD SAY. I'LL JUST SAY, I THOUGHT YOU WERE AN EXCELLENT MEMBER AND CHAIRMAN. SO WITH THAT AND QUESTIONS, COUNSEL, COUNCIL MEMBER PETRANOFF, IN OBSERVING SOME OF THESE RECENT CODE ENFORCEMENT MEETINGS, WHAT, IF ANYTHING, WOULD YOU CHANGE ABOUT THE BOARD? I'LL BE CANDID WITH YOU. 
          I HAVEN'T SPECIFICALLY OBSERVED MEETINGS WITHIN THE LAST 12 MONTHS. OKAY, I HONESTLY HAVEN'T. I KNOW THAT WHEN I WAS WHEN I WAS ON THE BOARD, I THOUGHT THAT THAT AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE PRESENT BOARD HAS CONTINUED WITH IT, BUT WE IMPLEMENTED A SORT OF A PLAN WHERE EVERY BOARD MEMBER WOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY INDIVIDUALLY TO SPEAK AS TO EVERY AS TO EVERY ISSUE THAT CAME BEFORE THE BOARD. AND THAT SEEMED TO BE SUCCESSFUL WHEN I FIRST CAME ONTO THE BOARD SIX YEARS AGO. I DON'T THINK WE HAD THAT, THAT ORDER OF OPERATION. 
          SO I THINK THAT JUST LIKE CITY COUNCIL DOES, I THINK THAT THAT WAS, WAS WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL. 
          AND ALSO JUST LIKE CITY COUNCIL, I THINK THAT THAT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD HAS BEEN MINDFUL AND NEEDS TO BE MINDFUL THAT NO MATTER WHO COMES IN FRONT OF THE BOARD, THEY HAVE A POSITION AND THE CITY HAS A POSITION, THE RESPONDENT HAS A POSITION. AND I THINK WE TRIED TO TO KEEP THAT BALANCE. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT THAT CONTINUED BALANCE OF APPROACH. 
          OKAY. AND THEN MY LAST QUESTION I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR APPLYING. BUT MY LAST QUESTION IS WHAT INSPIRED YOU TO RE-UP? I THINK THAT THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD FOR THE CITY MAKES A DIFFERENCE. I THINK THAT WE ARE, YOU KNOW, THIS NEUTRAL. SORRY. ARE WE RIGHT? OKAY, GOOD. YEAH. I THINK THIS IS THIS IT'S A NEUTRAL BOARD. IT'S A QUASI JUDICIAL BOARD. SO I THINK THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO, TO TRY OUR BEST TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT THE, THE CODES AND ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF NAPLES ARE UPHELD. AND, AND I 
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THINK THAT MANY TIMES THEY COME IN DIFFERENT SHAPES AND FORMS. SOMETIMES THEY COME IN MAKING SURE THINGS ARE NOT UNSIGHTLY, WHICH ARE FAIRLY OBVIOUS SITUATIONS. AND OTHERS, QUITE CANDIDLY, THAT THE BOARD HAS CONFRONTED OVER THE YEARS HAS BEEN THIS WHOLE CONCEPT THAT THAT EVERYBODY THROUGHOUT THE CITY SHOULD BE TREATED EQUALLY AND THAT WOULD RELATE TO SORT OF ECONOMIC ISSUES, WHETHER IT BE SOMEBODY TRYING TO GET AN ADVANTAGE FOR SIGNAGE, SOMEONE HAVING AN ADVANTAGE FOR PLACING TABLES ON FIFTH AVENUE, WHETHER IT BE A REALTOR HAVING AN ADVANTAGE OVER ANOTHER REALTOR BY PUTTING SIGNS OUT ON A SUNDAY TO DIRECT THEM TO AN OPEN HOUSE. SO I THINK THAT WE'VE BEEN VERY SENSITIVE TO THAT CONCEPT OF WE'RE NOT JUST TRYING TO KEEP KEEP NAPLES REAL PRISTINE, IF THAT'S ONE OF THE GOALS, BUT ALSO TO MAKE CERTAIN THAT EVERYBODY WITHIN THE CITY IS TREATED WITH NEUTRALITY. THANK YOU. THANKS, COUNCILMEMBER CRAMER, IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOU AGAIN. AND THANK YOU, COACH. NICE TO SEE YOU. YOU'VE DONE A FANTASTIC JOB WITH AT NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL HERE IN THE COMMUNITY ON ON CODE ENFORCEMENT IN THE PAST. AND I'M JUST GLAD WE'VE GOT REALLY SMART, HARDWORKING PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT ARE WILLING TO DO THIS. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WELL, YOU'VE GOT A YOU'VE GOT QUITE A QUITE A FINE CITY CITY COUNCIL AND CERTAINLY WITH YOU AS A MEMBER OF IT WITH EVERYBODY ELSE. THERE'S A LOT, A LOT, A LOT OF STRENGTH IN COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, HENRY. WE ALL KNOW YOU WELL. AND YOUR PAST SERVICE AND AND AND THE GREAT JOB YOU'VE DONE IN THE PAST AND THE PHILOSOPHY YOU BRING TO IT. BUT RATHER THAN JUST REMAIN SILENT, I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR APPLYING AGAIN. AND WE'LL HAVE AN EVEN BETTER BOARD WITH YOU BACK ON IT. SO THANK YOU. THANKS FOR SAYING THAT. THAT MAKES ME FEEL FEEL NICE. THANKS A LOT, COUNCILMEMBER CAMERON. WELL, I TOO WOULD LIKE TO JOIN THE HENRY JOHNSON FAN CLUB AND I'M GLAD THIS IS ON TAPE. THIS IS FANTASTIC. I'M GOING TO REMIND MY I'M NOT QUITE YOU KNOW, IS AN INTERESTING ASIDE. IF YOU CARE. I WENT TO A SUMMER CAMP IN MAINE AND MY DOUBLES PARTNER IN TENNIS WAS STEVE WITKOFF, SO I HAD TO WATCH. SO I WATCHED STEVE WITKOFF THIS MORNING, RECEIVED THE ACCOLADES FROM THE PRESIDENT. I'M HAPPY TO GET ANY ACCOLADES I CAN GET FROM FROM FROM YOU FOLKS. I'M NOT GOING TO AND I WILL CONSIDER THAT AN EQUAL. WELL, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR FOR EVERYONE THAT'S WATCHING TO KNOW THAT NOT ONLY HAVE YOU MADE CONTRIBUTIONS TO THIS WONDERFUL CITY, BUT ALSO FGCU AND OTHER PLACES AS WELL. SO THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO, MR. JOHNSON. I ENJOY MY ONE, MY ONE CLASS AT FGCU, WHERE I TRY TO TRY TO GET BACK INTO THE CLASSROOM AND TEACH STUDENTS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT REAL ESTATE AND CONSTRUCTION LAW. SO THAT MAKES ME HAPPY TO LOOK AT AS WE AGE FOLKS, AS WE AGE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE YOUR VOCATIONS, WE'VE HAD OUR VOCATIONS. AND AND THEN AS WE MOVE FORWARD, IT'S ALSO NICE TO, YOU KNOW, TO GIVE BACK. AND I REALLY AND I AND I EMBRACE THAT, I REALLY DO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU FOR YOUR. YOU SERVE AGAIN. OKAY. MY BEST TO ALL. OUR NEXT INTERVIEW WILL BE WITH OUR COMMUNITY SERVICES ADVISORY BOARD APPLICANT SUZANNE CLEM. GOOD MORNING. IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. AND MAYBE IF YOU WANT TO SHARE ANY REASON WHY YOU'RE INTERESTED IN GOING ON THIS BOARD. OKAY. MY NAME IS SUZANNE CLEM, AND I'VE LIVED IN NAPLES. I GUESS I'LL BE 20 YEARS NOW. RAISE MY KIDS HERE. DID A LOT WITH THE SCHOOLS. NAPLES HIGH. SHE COACHED THERE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO SEAGATE AND GOLFVIEW AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. I SELL REAL ESTATE HERE IN NAPLES AND HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THAT FOR NEARLY 20 YEARS ALSO, AND I CARE A LOT ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE CITY OF NAPLES, AND I'VE SEEN QUITE A FEW CHANGES IN THOSE FEW YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE, AND I'M INTERESTED IN SEEING WHERE WE'RE GOING. AND THE PARKS AND REC HAVE A BIG PLACE IN MY HEART BECAUSE, AS I MENTIONED, I RAISED MY KIDS AND MY HUSBAND AND I HAVE DONE A LOT WITH ALL THE DIFFERENT FACETS OF THAT. SO I'D LIKE TO STAY INVOLVED AND KNOW AND HELP WITH THE FUTURE. THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN, THANK YOU FOR APPLYING AGAIN AND SHARE WITH US YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT WHAT THE VALUE OF PARKS ARE TO A COMMUNITY. WELL, I'VE ALSO SERVED ON PARKS BOARD. I ROLLED OFF OF THAT ABOUT. WE'LL KNOW IT'LL BE JANUARY. IT'LL BE A YEAR. YEAH, THAT'S HOW I KNOW SOME OF THE PEOPLE HERE TOO. AND WE DID QUITE A BIT WITH OUR BEACH PARK AFTER IAN AND HELENE AND MOULTON. AND IT'S IMPORTANT, I THINK PEOPLE LIVE HERE IN 
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NAPLES BECAUSE OF WHAT WE OFFER, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE BEAUTIFUL BEACHES, BECAUSE WE HAVE THE BEAUTIFUL PARKS. I WAS JUST DOWN AT A WALK ON SATURDAY DOWN AT THE GREENWAY. AND IT'S JUST WE TAKE FOR GRANTED ALL OF THE PARKS THAT WE HAVE HERE IN TOWN. WE REALLY DO. I HADN'T BEEN DOWN THERE IN A LITTLE WHILE. MY HUSBAND AND I AND MY DOGS AND WE WERE WALKING DOWN THERE. 
          IT'S JUST BEAUTIFUL AND I JUST WANT TO KEEP THAT IN THE IN OUR FUTURE. I DON'T WANT TO LOSE TOUCH OF WHERE WE'VE BEEN AND WHERE WE'RE GOING, AND THEY'RE IMPORTANT. THAT'S WHAT MAKES NAPLES WHAT WE ARE IS WHAT WE OFFER OUR COMMUNITY. AS FAR AS THE PARKS AND THE BEACHES AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. IT WAS A ROUNDABOUT ANSWER. SORRY. THANK YOU. KRAMER. AND THEN PETRANOFF. WELL, YOU KNOW, I'M A HUGE FAN OF GREAT GOLF. NAPLES HIGH AND YOU DID EVERYTHING WITH EXCELLENCE AND RESPECT. AND YOU'RE SUPER SMART. AND TREVOR'S A SUPERSTAR. AND I MEAN, I AM. AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR BEING WILLING BECAUSE I'LL TELL HIM YOU SAID THAT HE'LL HE'LL BE AND HE KNOWS OUR DEFINITION. SO HE KNOWS. YES. 
          YEAH HE DOES I'LL I'LL DEFINITELY TELL HIM SO AGAIN THANK YOU. WE'RE VERY FORTUNATE THAT FOLKS LIKE YOU THAT ARE WILLING TO DO THIS. THANKS. I'M TOTALLY BIASED, BY THE WAY. 
          IT'S OKAY. MY YOUNGER ONE IS NOW A SENIOR AT NAPLES HIGH AND I JUST CAN'T EVEN I CAN'T EVEN I, I'M SPEECHLESS, YOU KNOW, TO BE DONE WITH THAT SCHOOLS I JUST I'M NOT USED TO THAT AFTER A LONG TIME. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER PETRANOFF. WELL, THANK YOU FOR APPLYING. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE ARE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHERE IT'S A 20 YEAR LOOK INTO THE FUTURE, AND AN ELEMENT OF THAT ARE OUR PARKS AND OUR PUBLIC SPACES. I WANTED TO GET YOUR IDEAS. YOU LOOK AROUND, WHAT IS AN AREA THAT YOU WOULD SEE NEEDS IMPROVEMENT IN OUR PARKS, AND WHAT IS THE AREA THAT YOU THINK IS THE BEST PART AND UNIQUE ABOUT OUR PARK SYSTEM? OKAY, THAT'S A REALLY TOUGH QUESTION. I'LL GO FIRST WITH WHAT'S UNIQUE. I MEAN, I THINK ABOUT ALL THE I MEAN. WE JUST OFFER SO MUCH MORE, EVEN JUST FLEISCHMAN AND THE UPDATES THAT WE MADE. AND FORGIVE ME, I LOSE TRACK OF TIME, BUT I FEEL LIKE THAT'S BEEN UPDATED AT LEAST THREE TIMES SINCE I'VE LIVED HERE. AND THE RECENT UPDATE OF FLEISCHMAN, I'M TALKING ABOUT JUST THE LITTLE PARK THAT THEY HAVE FOR KIDS THERE IS FABULOUS. 
          AND EACH TIME I FEEL LIKE WE'RE OUT DOING OURSELVES AS FAR AS OUR FUTURE, I THINK WE JUST NEED TO KEEP THAT, KEEP ON TRACK, DOING WHAT WE'RE DOING. I THINK SOMETHING I'M NOT SO SURE I CAN SAY IT'S JUST THE PARKS, BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE LOUDERMILK, BUT PROBABLY ONE OF MY BIGGEST CONCERNS AND I AND THIS BOARD WOULDN'T NECESSARILY HAVE AN IMPACT, BUT IS KIND OF OUR LONGEVITY WITH OUR BEACHES. I WORRY AFTER IAN AND HELENE AND MILTON AND LIKE I SAID, I SELL REAL ESTATE AND I GO DOWN THERE AND SOME OF THE BUILDINGS DOWN THERE, I'M JUST KIND OF CONCERNED AS HOW WE ARE GOING TO HANDLE THAT IN THE FUTURE. MY HOUSE HAD 28IN OF WATER WITH IAN. WE REBUILT AND, YOU KNOW, TORE ALL THE DID EVERYTHING THE WAY WE WERE SUPPOSED TO WITH PERMITS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. AND THAT WAS IT WAS VERY DIFFICULT AND IT WAS VERY IT WAS JUST TOUGH. AND I WANT TO KNOW WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IN THE FUTURE TO PREPARE FOR THAT. 
          AND AS I MENTIONED, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THIS BOARD, BUT EVERY LITTLE BIT HELPS. EVERY CONTRIBUTION HELPS. I MEAN, WE HAVE LOUDERMILK, WHICH IS A FABULOUS BEACH AND A FABULOUS PARK. AND WHAT ARE WE DOING TO PROTECT THAT? AND THAT'S PART OF MY THOUGHT. I AM VERY INTERESTED IN. AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE DOING ALL SORTS OF THINGS WITH THE BEACHES AND PREPARING TO TO KEEP THEM AND TO KEEP, YOU KNOW, KEEP OUR LONGEVITY DOWN THERE. AND I KNOW THAT THAT'S EVER CHANGING BECAUSE EVERY STORM IS DIFFERENT. THAT THAT ANSWER THAT QUESTION AGAIN. 
          ROUNDABOUT. YEAH, IT KIND OF DID. I'M HEARING THINGS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE BEACHES THE LOUDER YOU LIKE LOUDERMILK. BAKER PARK IS FABULOUS. YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE BEACHES. I YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T REALLY HEAR THE, YOU KNOW, WHAT AREA YOU WOULD IS THAT YOU WOULD CHANGE. 
          I DON'T SEE WHERE IS IT, WHERE IS OUR GAP BECAUSE THEY ARE GOING TO BE EXPLORING THAT. AND I THINK YOU WILL BE EXPLORING THAT AS A BOARD MEMBER AS WE MARCH THROUGH THIS PROCESS. 
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YEAH. THE THE PARKS, I THINK WHAT COULD USE SOME DEFINITE WORK IS WITH THE KIDS I LOOK AT. 
          SEAGATE PARK. I KNOW THAT WE SHARE THAT. AND I HAVEN'T SEEN A LOT OF CHANGES OVER THERE. 
          AND THAT COULD DEFINITELY USE SOME HELP. I'VE LIVED IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD FOR MY WHOLE TIME HERE, SO I WOULD DEFINITELY SAY ALL THE PARKS THAT I THINK OF THAT ONE. THERE'S SOME OTHER LITTLE PARKS THAT PEOPLE DON'T REALLY KNOW OF. THAT ONE OVER THERE IN RIVER PARK. I FORGET WHAT THAT'S CALLED. I THINK IT'S YES, THAT ONE. I KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING OR I'VE HEARD AND I'VE SEEN SOME CHANGES DOWN THERE, BUT I THINK THAT COULD PROBABLY USE SOME WORK. 
          DEFINITELY SOME MORE WORK, I SHOULD SAY. I, I HAVEN'T BEEN IN THE ACTUAL PARK AREA HERE RECENTLY LIKE OTHER THAN JUST WALKING PAST, BUT I HAVEN'T LIKE USED IT HERE AT CAMBIER. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW IF I DON'T THINK THAT'S BEEN RECENTLY UPDATED LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER PARKS HAVE. SO I WOULD SAY PROBABLY A LOT MORE FOR THE KIDS. I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO DO MORE FOR THE YOUNG KIDS. AS FAR AS THE PARKS ARE CONCERNED, I WOULD SAY, YEAH, IS THAT BETTER? YEAH, YEAH, YES IT IS. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR. WELL THANK YOU, MISS CLEM. APPRECIATE YOUR INTEREST IN THIS POSITION. YOU SPOKE ABOUT. WHAT I TOOK AWAY FROM YOUR COMMENTS IS THAT YOU SPOKE OF THE PASSION FOR OUR PARKS AND BEACHES, CORRECT? YEAH. AND THE COMMUNITY. YEAH. 
          THAT'S GOOD. IF YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL IN GAINING AN APPOINTMENT TO THE COMMUNITY SERVICES ADVISORY BOARD, WOULD YOU COMMIT ALSO TO MAINTAINING THE AUTHORITY OF THE CSA TO ADVISE CITY COUNCIL AND ALSO FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES ITSELF, TO CHART OUR OWN DESTINY AS WE MAINTAIN ACCESS AND AND CONTROL OF THE BEACHES? IN OTHER WORDS, IF THE STATE WANTS TO TAKE AWAY OUR ABILITY TO WORK, SPEND MONEY, MAINTAIN PARKING, ETCETERA TO OUR BEACHES, WOULD YOU COMMIT TO FIGHTING FOR OUR RIGHT TO SECURE OUR BEACHES FOR THE MAINLY PRIMARILY FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF NAPLES? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. I DON'T THINK THE STATE SHOULD GET THAT FROM US. OKAY. THAT'S OURS. I LIKE THE WAY YOU THINK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WE'LL MAKE OUR APPOINTMENT ON WEDNESDAY, AND I WE REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. YOU THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. OUR LAST INTERVIEW TODAY WILL BE WITH JAMES KNAFO FOR THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. WELCOME BACK. SO IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE. YES. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE IN THE PAST TO THE CITY, IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD AND ANYTHING YOU MIGHT WANT US TO KNOW. MY NAME IS JAMES KNAFO. I AM THE PRESIDENT OF JAMES KNAFO ARCHITECT INCORPORATED, LOCATED HERE IN NAPLES, FLORIDA. IT WAS ESTABLISHED 23 YEARS AGO. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF NAPLES FOR 28 YEARS NOW. I CAME TO NAPLES IN 1997 FROM BUCKS COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA, AND SOMEONE IS BOUND TO ASK ME THE QUESTION. 
          SO I'M GOING TO ANSWER IT BEFORE YOU ASK, WHY AM I DOING THIS? I'VE PRESENTED TO THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD MANY TIMES, AS WELL AS TO THIS COUNCIL, AND I GENUINELY ALWAYS WALK AWAY WITH THIS FEELING OF I TRULY ENJOY THE PROCESS THAT YOU REQUIRE OF DESIGN PROFESSIONALS. 
          I THINK IT BRINGS OUT THE BEST IN US, AND LOOKING AT WHAT THE DRB HAS DONE OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF STEVE RUBY, I THINK THAT THE LEVEL OF PROFESSIONALISM AND ALSO THE THE, THE QUALITY OF DESIGN THAT THE PROCESS HAS KIND OF PULLED OUT OF THE MY FELLOW DESIGN PROFESSIONALS, I THINK HAS GREATLY INCREASED. AND STEVE WILL BE STEPPING OFF 
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OF THE BOARD IN MAY, AND HE AND I HAVE HAD A FEW DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THIS POSITION. AND THROUGH HIS POWER OF PERSUASION, I FEEL THAT LOVING NAPLES SO MUCH. IT'S MY TURN NOW TO TRY TO DO MY PART, TO MAINTAIN THE QUALITY OF CHARACTER THAT WE HAVE IN THIS, IN THIS CITY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. COUNCIL PETRANOFF. AND THEN AND YES, LOOKING AROUND THE CITY, YOU KNOW, MY OBSERVATION IS WE SEE A LOT OF WHITE BUILDINGS THAT LOOK, YOU KNOW, PRETTY MUCH ALIKE AS GUILTY AS CHARGED. WHAT WOULD YOU DO DIFFERENTLY TO, IF ANYTHING, TO ADD TO THE CHARACTER OF WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IN EVALUATING AND APPROVING? OKAY. WHEN I FIRST CAME TO NAPLES, THE CHARACTER OF MOST OF THE NEW ARCHITECTURE WAS WHAT WE CALL NOW THE TUSCAN ARCHITECTURE, TO THE POINT WHERE IT WAS ALMOST MANDATED IN A LOT OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES. AFTER THE PAUSE OF 2008, I THINK WHEN DEVELOPMENT KICKED BACK UP AGAIN, WE KIND OF CAME AT THINGS WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CONTEMPORARY. I I'M A FAN OF GOOD ARCHITECTURE. I'M NOT A FAN OF ANY PARTICULAR STYLE. I STUDIED IN FLORENCE, ITALY FOR A YEAR. I HAVE A GREAT APPRECIATION FOR THAT TYPE OF ARCHITECTURE. I THINK THAT WHAT'S MOST IMPORTANT AS A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL IS THAT THE CHARACTER OF YOUR DESIGN SHOULD BE COMPLIMENTARY, AND IT SHOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO ITS CONTEXT. NOW, HERE IN NAPLES, WE ACTUALLY WE'RE WE'RE NOT A MONOLITHIC CONTEXT. I THINK EACH AREA HAS ITS OWN CHARACTER. WHEN I LOOK AT DOWNTOWN NAPLES VERSUS FIFTH AVENUE AND THIRD STREET, I THINK ARE TWO GREAT EXAMPLES OF HOW TWO AREAS THAT ESSENTIALLY HAVE THE SAME FUNCTION CAN BE SO DIFFERENT FROM EACH OTHER. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IS THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WHAT IS BEING BUILT IS APPROPRIATE AND COMPLEMENTARY TO WHAT IS THERE, AND OVER TIME, THAT HELPS, YOU KNOW, A CITY KIND OF DEVELOP IN A CERTAIN PATH. LIKE I SAID, HAVING BEEN HERE FOR 28 YEARS, THIS PLACE HAS CHANGED A LOT. AND I'VE WATCHED IT. I REMEMBER THREE RESTAURANTS WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE AND LOOK AT US NOW, I LIKE TO SAY THAT NAPLES HAS DEVELOPED INTO A CITY, THAT PEOPLE THAT CAN GO ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD OFTEN DECIDE TO COME TO NAPLES, AND I THINK IT'S BECAUSE, FIRST, THE PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE HERE ARE GENUINELY NICE PEOPLE. IT'S A VERY PLEASANT PLACE TO LIVE. WELL, I THINK THAT THIS COUNCIL, AS WELL AS THE DIFFERENT BOARDS, THEY GENUINELY SWEAT THE DETAILS IN THE SMALL STUFF. AND THAT'S NOT A BAD THING BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I THINK IT BRINGS OUT THE BEST IN THE DESIGNERS TO KNOW THAT THEY CAN PUT SOMETHING UP IN THIS CITY THAT JUST BECAUSE THEY LIKE IT, IT'S GOING TO BE OKAY. WE WE NEED TO JUMP THROUGH SOME HOOPS. AND I THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD, GOOD PROCESS. OKAY. AND MY LAST QUESTION FOR YOU IS, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AROUND AT THE NEW BUILDS, THAT BECAUSE OF LAND VALUES, THEY'RE SIGNIFICANTLY LARGER AND THEY TAKE UP MORE, MORE SPACE. WHAT IS YOUR FEELING ON GREEN SPACE AND WHAT WHAT HAS BEEN DEVELOPED IN THE CITY? SO WE ARE IN A WONDERFUL LOCATION IN THE WORLD. WE HAVE BEAUTIFUL BEACHES, WE HAVE WONDERFUL WEATHER, NICE PEOPLE. 
          I ENJOYED THE PREVIOUS INTERVIEW AND TH THE PARKS, AND I THINK THAT WE DO A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF MAKING SURE THAT THERE ARE GREEN SPACES WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE. WHENEVER YOU'RE WITHIN THE CITY, IT'S IT'S NEVER YOU DON'T HAVE TO DRIVE TO THE PARKS IN NAPLES. 
          YOU CAN ALWAYS WALK TO A PARK WHEN YOU'RE IN THE CITY. AND I, I RAISED MY SON HERE, AND OUR TYPICAL SUNDAYS WERE BASICALLY SPENT IN CAMBIER PARK WITH A SOCCER BALL AND PLAYING WITH DOGS AND GOING TO BAKER PARK AND PLAYING WITH DOGS OVER THERE. SO I THINK THAT HIS UPBRINGING WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY DIFFERENT IF WE DIDN'T. IF HE WASN'T RAISED IN NAPLES, WE WOULDN'T HAVE HAD THOSE SUNDAY AFTERNOONS TO JUST KIND OF BE TOGETHER AS A FAMILY. OKAY, I'M TALKING MORE ABOUT PRIVATE PROPERTY AND THE BUILDINGS THAT ARE GOING UP THAT ARE REPLACING THE SMALLER. IS THAT A CONCERN TO YOU AS A PROFESSIONAL? SO WHEN WHEN YOU SAY THE SMALLER BUILDINGS, THERE'S A LOT OF OLDER STRUCTURES, A LOT OF THEM ARE ALONG 41 AT THIS POINT. AND 
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I'M NOT I'M ANTI BAD DESIGN. AND I THINK YOU HAVE A HANDFUL OF VERY TALENTED DESIGN PROFESSIONALS IN NAPLES. AND WHEN THEY'RE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO DEVELOP A PROPERTY, YES, WE MAY BE TEARING DOWN SOMETHING SMALL AND OUTDATED AND JUST ECONOMICALLY UNFEASIBLE AT THIS POINT, AND WE'RE PUTTING UP SOMETHING THAT'S MUCH LARGER AND MORE DENSE. THE THE GOOD DESIGN PROFESSIONALS DO A GOOD JOB OF NOT JUST DESIGNING A NICE BUILDING, BUT ALSO MAKING IT A PLEASANT BUILDING FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE USING THE BUILDING OR VISITING THE BUILDING. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR APPLYING. AND I AM UNFAMILIAR WITH THE FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH IMPROVEMENT DISTRICT ENRICHMENT COMMITTEE. 
          COULD YOU FILL ME IN AS TO WHAT THAT WAS ALL ABOUT? I SEE IT WAS QUITE A WHILE AGO, BUT DOES IT STILL EXIST? AND IT DOES NOT. IT DOES NOT. IT DOES NOT. SO TELL US ABOUT IT NONETHELESS. 
          SO THIS IS PROBABLY GOING BACK TO THE EARLY 2000, 2013 THROUGH 17. OKAY. THANK YOU. IT WAS IT WAS ESSENTIALLY SPEARHEADED BY MR. MCCABE. WHEN WHEN HE WAS DEVELOPING A LOT OF HIS PROPERTIES IN ALONG FIFTH AVENUE, HE FELT THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CHARACTER SPOKE OF QUALITY. AND, YOU KNOW, HE WAS ONE MAN. HE COULDN'T DO EVERYTHING BY HIMSELF. SO HE HELPED TO ORGANIZE THE FIFTH AVENUE ENRICHMENT COMMITTEE. ALSO THE THE BID, THE AND MY ROLE ON THE ENRICHMENT COMMITTEE. WHEN YOU GO DOWN FIFTH AVENUE IN THE EVENING AND YOU SEE ALL THOSE THE LIGHTS HANGING FROM THE TREES, THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WE WE DID THE BASKETS, THE HANGING BASKETS OFF OF THE LIGHT POLES. THAT WAS ANOTHER THING THAT WE BROUGHT IN. AND PHIL JUST FELT THAT IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WE WERE CONSTANTLY TRYING TO IMPROVE THE AVENUE. I THINK WHAT HAPPENED, THE REASON FOR WHY IT NO LONGER EXISTS WAS MR. HOFFMAN CAME IN AND HE HAD A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO HOW HE LIKED THINGS TO BE DONE, AND HE APPOINTED ONE PERSON TO ESSENTIALLY IMPLEMENT HIS VISION FOR WHAT FIFTH AVENUE NEEDED TO BE. SO OUR COMMITTEE ESSENTIALLY JUST IT DISSOLVED ITSELF AT THAT POINT. BUT THAT WAS A GOOD QUESTION. YEAH, I APPRECIATE THAT ANSWER. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE PERHAPS REINSTATED AT SOME POINT IN TIME. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. MR. THANK YOU FOR APPLYING. AS YOU MAY KNOW, I'VE BEEN A LONG A CONSISTENT VOICE ON THIS COUNCIL FOR. NOT JUST THE IMPORTANCE OF THE DRB BECAUSE. DESIGN, GOOD URBAN DESIGN IS A COMPONENT OF GOOD PLANNING, IN MY OPINION. SO WE HAVE A PLANNING BOARD, BUT WE ALSO HAVE AN URBAN DESIGN BOARD. AND IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE BOTH OF THEM. AND AND HAVING DESIGN PROFESSIONALS SITTING ON THE ON OUR DESIGN REVIEW BOARD IS VERY IMPORTANT. 
          AND WE'VE HAD A CHALLENGE AT TIMES TO RECRUIT DESIGN PROFESSIONALS. AND, YOU KNOW, THE REASONS WHY. SO WE HAVE A GOOD MIX OF PEOPLE ON THE BOARD RIGHT NOW, MORE DESIGN PROFESSIONALS THAN WE'VE HAD AT TIMES IN THE PAST. AND I'M GLAD YOU'RE WILLING TO COME ABOARD TO ADD TO THAT. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT FOR THE RECORD, THE SECOND POINT I WANT TO MAKE IS REALLY A QUESTION TO YOU. YOU'RE QUITE FAMILIAR WITH THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD AND ITS PROCESSES. WHAT'S YOUR OPINION OF THEM? AND I DON'T MEAN TO I WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS NOT HOW GOOD A JOB THEY'RE DOING, BUT REALLY THE PROCESS WE HAVE IN PLACE AND ITS EFFECTIVENESS AS A PROCESS FOR HAVING PETITIONS BE PROPERLY REVIEWED AND ACTED UPON. SO MY EXPERIENCES WITH THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, AND THE THING THAT'S KIND OF INTERESTING ON THE DAYS THAT I AM MAKING A PRESENTATION, YOU NEVER REALLY KNOW WHAT TIME YOU'RE GOING TO BE HEARD. SO 
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YOU HAVE TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE HERE A LITTLE BIT EARLY AND YOU GET TO KIND OF SEE OTHER PROJECTS AND SEE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING. AS MENTIONED, I THINK THE DRB DOES A VERY GOOD JOB OF KIND OF CHALLENGING THE DESIGNERS TO DO THEIR BEST WORK AND. IT TO ME, THE QUALITY OF THE DRB REALLY IS ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THAT BOARD. AND AS MENTIONED, MR. RUBY HAS BEEN A WONDERFUL LEADER OF THAT, THAT BOARD. I'M HOPING THAT I CAN HELP MAINTAIN THAT QUALITY. AND I I'VE WATCHED MANY OCCASIONS WHERE MEMBERS OF THE BOARD HAVE MADE DESIGN SUGGESTIONS TO THE DESIGN PROFESSIONAL, AND THEY'VE BEEN VERY GOOD SUGGESTIONS ON HOW TO IMPROVE A BUILDING OR A DEVELOPMENT AND WHO BENEFITS. BUT NAPLES BENEFITS FROM THAT TYPE OF CRITICISM OR CRITIQUE. SO I THINK THAT THE PROCESS WORKS. 
          AGAIN, I THINK THAT WE SWEAT THE SMALL STUFF, WHICH IS IS A GOOD THING TO DO. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING STRUCTURES THAT ARE GOING TO STAND FOR A LONG TIME. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T I DON'T THINK THAT YOU CAN BE DISMISSIVE ABOUT THE QUALITY OF DESIGN IN A CITY LIKE THIS, BECAUSE PEOPLE COME HERE AND FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD, AND THEY GENUINELY APPRECIATE THE THE WORK THAT WE PUT INTO MAKING SURE THAT THIS IS A BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY. AND IT'S IT'S NOT OVERLOOKED BY A LOT OF PEOPLE. I'VE HAD FRIENDS VISIT FROM OTHER CITIES IN FLORIDA, AND NAPLES IS IT'S A UNIQUE PLACE. IT'S A I AS YOU CAN TELL, I'M PROBABLY NAPLES BEST AMBASSADOR. AND WHEN I TRAVEL, I LOVE SPEAKING ABOUT NAPLES. SO IF IF YOU'RE ASKING ME, WOULD I CHANGE ANYTHING IN THE PROCESS? I LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE. IF YOU ADDED MORE PEOPLE, IT MIGHT GET A LITTLE BIT UNWIELDY TO MANY OPINIONS. I DO THINK, THOUGH, THAT WHEN IT COMES TO CERTAIN STRUCTURES, I REMEMBER AT ONE TIME I WAS DOING A LOT OF PROJECTS IN THE PORT ROYAL AREA, AND PORT ROYAL HAD A KIND OF APPROVED LIST OF DESIGNERS, AND. I'VE SEEN A LOT OF PROJECTS GO IN FRONT OF DRB THAT. THEY WERE DESIGNED BY SOMEONE THAT REALLY DIDN'T HAVE THE TALENT TO BE WORKING ON THAT TYPE OF AN OPPORTUNITY, AND YOU CAN'T REALLY TELL SOMEBODY WHO TO WORK WITH. BUT I WONDER IF IT'S NOT A BAD IDEA TO START THINKING ABOUT HOW CAN WE VET DESIGN PROFESSIONALS WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY SO THAT WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE THE BEST DESIGNERS AVAILABLE WORKING HERE, OR THERE'S SOME TYPE OF A PROCESS BY WHICH DESIGNERS ARE VETTED? THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE ABLE TO IMPROVE, NOT JUST THE PROCESS. IT WOULD ALSO IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF THE WORK THAT'S DONE, BECAUSE SOME PROJECTS THAT I SEE, THE DRB CAN'T FIX THEM. THEY'RE JUST THEY'RE NOT GOOD. AND IT'S UNFORTUNATE, BUT SO I WOULD I WOULD THINK ABOUT MAYBE TRYING TO FIX WHO GETS TO WORK ON PROJECTS. I DON'T KNOW THE LEGALITIES OF IT. YOU MEAN THE WHO'S WORKING WITH THE PETITIONERS ON THE PROJECT? YEAH, WELL, THAT'S A HARD THING TO DO BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IN THEY'RE GOING TO PETITIONERS WILL CHOOSE WHO THEY WANT TO CHOOSE TO DO THIS WORK. AND IT'S REALLY THAT'S REALLY AN ISSUE FOR THE DESIGN PROFESSION LOCALLY. AND, AND, AND MORE BROADLY STATEWIDE AND NATIONALLY IN TERMS OF THROUGH THE AIA AND OTHER GROUPS TO TO WORRY ABOUT. BUT I DON'T WORRY, ASPIRATIONALLY, I'M RIGHT WITH YOU, BUT I JUST SAY. TAKE A LOOK AT OUR AGENDA ON WEDNESDAY, BECAUSE WE WILL BE CONSIDERING A MATTER THAT I HAVE DEEP RESERVATIONS ABOUT, BECAUSE WHAT IT WILL DO IF IT PASSES WILL DIMINISH THE INFLUENCE OF THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD AND THE ABILITY OF IT TO CARRY OUT THE WORK. IT'S CARRIED OUT SO WELL FOR SO MANY YEARS, AND I HOPE WE END UP MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION ON THAT. BUT HOW AND WHEN THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT PROJECTS AND OFFER ITS ADVICE AND GUIDANCE AND REQUIREMENTS IS CRITICAL TO GOOD DESIGN IN NAPLES, WHICH IS CRITICAL TO OUR QUALITY OF LIFE. AND I 
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AGREE COMPLETELY WITH YOU ABOUT HOW IMPORTANT IT IS TO THE PEOPLE IN NAPLES WHO LOVE NAPLES. AND A BIG PART OF IT RELATES TO GOOD DESIGN. SO I HOPE WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPROVE YOUR NOMINATION ON WEDNESDAY. AND WE ALSO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION ABOUT DRB ON WEDNESDAY. THANK YOU FOR APPLYING. IF I COULD JUST ADD TO SOMETHING THAT YOU JUST SAID. NAPLES IS VERY MUCH A HOSTING CITY. PEOPLE VISIT US FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD, AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US ALWAYS TO KIND OF HAVE THAT MENTALITY OF WE'RE INVITING PEOPLE INTO OUR HOME. WE ALWAYS WANT TO, YOU KNOW, PRESENT OURSELVES THE BEST THAT WE CAN. AND THIS COUNCIL DOES A VERY GOOD JOB OF KIND OF APPROACHING PROBLEMS AND ISSUES FROM THAT STANDPOINT THAT PEOPLE, STRANGERS COME TO VISIT US FROM ALL OVER, AND WE WANT THEM TO LEAVE WITH A LASTING IMPRESSION OF THAT. WE DO THINGS THE RIGHT WAY HERE, AND IT IT'LL BE AN HONOR TO SERVE ON THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD AND DO MY SMALL PART IN TRYING TO MAINTAIN THAT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU. MR. IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU HERE TODAY AND APPRECIATE YOUR INTEREST IN IN THIS PARTICULAR APPOINTMENT. FIRST, I WANTED TO SUPPORT YOU ON YOUR STATEMENT ABOUT THE UNIQUENESS OF NAPLES. I, I BELIEVE THAT WE'RE IN A VERY SPECIAL PLACE. YOU MADE A STATEMENT. I WROTE IT DOWN, SWEATING THE DETAILS, AND I LIKE THAT. THAT'S GOOD. I THINK THAT THERE'S AREAS OF OUR COMMUNITY WHERE SWEATING THE DETAILS IS ENTIRELY APPROPRIATE, AND MAYBE THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY. RIGHT? IN OTHER WORDS, WE PROBABLY SHOULDN'T TAKE A VACATION OR A MOMENT OF REST FROM SWEATING THE DETAILS. AND I BELIEVE ALSO JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT YOU'VE SAID THAT I'M TAKING AWAY. I THINK THAT COLLECTIVELY, WE HAVE TO HAVE A VISION FOR WHERE WE WANT TO GO. NOW THE CITY HAS PUT THAT INTO WORDS, BUT FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE, I THINK IT ALSO APPLIES. YOU HAVE TO HAVE A VISION FOR WHERE WE WANT TO GO, OR WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET THERE. AND THERE ARE SOME ASPECTS OF OUR COMMUNITY FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE WHICH SEEM TO HAVE STRAYED OFF THE RESERVATION, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S NOT HAS IS HISTORICALLY NOT BEEN. SERIOUSLY CONTEMPLATED. 
          IT'S JUST NOT AS GOOD AS IT CAN BE. AND I'LL MENTION SIGNAGE. OUR SIGNAGE IS ALL OVER THE PLACE. YOU CAN DRIVE DOWN 41, LOOK RIGHT AND LEFT AND YOU DON'T SEE, IN MY OPINION, YOU JUST DON'T SEE WHAT YOU SHOULD SEE WITH THE CITY OF NAPLES. AND THERE'S OTHER LOCATIONS AS WELL. SO MY QUESTION IS THIS CAN YOU SPEAK TO ANY OF THE DETAILS YOU BELIEVE NEED YOUR TRAINED EYE? IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL IN SECURING AN APPOINTMENT TO THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, WHAT WILL BE ONE OF THE FEW THUMBPRINTS THAT THE COMMUNITY CAN SEE IN TEN YEARS OR SO? AND SAY, JAMES NAFO HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT? GREAT QUESTION. FIRST, I'LL SPEAK TO SIGNAGE. UNFORTUNATELY, MY BUILDING IS PROBABLY THE BIGGEST OFFENDER. I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. THE 2500 BUILDING ALONG 41 WITH ALL THE SIGNS ALL OVER IT. YEAH, BUT BUT YOU YOU RECOGNIZE THAT? OH, ABSOLUTELY. THAT THEY DID THAT BEFORE I MOVED IN. GOT IT. I, I HAVE TO SAY, THOUGH, THAT SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE COME TO ME AND THEY SAID, I'VE SEEN YOUR SIGN ON THE BUILDING. YEAH. SO IT IS GOOD NAME RECOGNITION. IS IT APPROPRIATE? I DON'T THINK SO, I REALLY DON'T. SO WE'RE WE'RE DIFFERENT HERE. WE'RE DIFFERENT IN NAPLES. AND. I LOVE THE STATE OF FLORIDA. AND I LOVE TRAVELING TO ALL THE OTHER CITIES SARASOTA, TAMPA, MIAMI, LAUDERDALE. THE KEYS. EACH ONE OF THEM IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, BUT TO ME, NAPLES SPEAKS OF. WE ARE WE'VE GOT STYLE AND WE'VE GOT CLASS HERE 
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AND WE'RE CHIC AND IT'S ALWAYS CLEAN HERE. THE LANDSCAPING IS ALWAYS WELL CARED FOR. SO. IN TERMS OF SIGNAGE, I LIKE THE FACT THAT NEON IS NOT PERMITTED IN THE CITY. I THINK THAT MAYBE EVEN. A SEPARATE REVIEW COMMITTEE TO DEAL WITH SIGNAGE, BECAUSE IT HAPPENS ON JUST ABOUT EVERY PROJECT. AND MAYBE THERE'S A SUBCOMMITTEE THAT GETS ESTABLISHED THAT JUST DEALS WITH SIGNAGE. I DON'T THINK THAT UNIFORMITY IS THE ANSWER. I THINK UNIQUENESS AND APPROPRIATENESS LOOK, OBVIOUSLY A RESTAURANT HAS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SIGNAGE THAN A SHOE STORE WOULD. BUT AGAIN, I GO BACK TO THINGS SHOULD ALWAYS BE APPROPRIATE AND IN CHARACTER WITH THE REST OF THE CITY. I THINK THEY DID A GOOD JOB ON FIFTH AVENUE. THE DUANY PLAN DID A GOOD JOB OF TRYING TO ADDRESS SIGNAGE. I DON'T SEE ANYTHING ON THE AVENUE THAT I THINK IS INAPPROPRIATE, BUT YEAH, WHEN YOU DRIVE ALONG 41, IT GETS A LITTLE BIT LOUD SOMETIMES. SO IN TERMS OF A THUMBPRINT, WOW. ARE I THINK THAT RIGHT NOW 41 THE APPROACH INTO DOWNTOWN IS WHERE MOST OF THE ACTIVITY IS TAKING PLACE. A LOT OF THE BUILDINGS THAT HAD TO GO DOWN TO MAKE ROOM FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT, THEY WERE OUTDATED BUILDINGS, AND THEY'RE PROBABLY SOME OF THEM AREN'T EVEN SAFE AT THIS POINT. SO I THINK THAT WE'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION IN TERMS OF WHAT IS BEING DEVELOPED. PEOPLE ALWAYS WANT TO LIVE HERE, SO WE JUST CAN'T BUILD ENOUGH HOUSES AND CONDOS FOR EVERYBODY THAT WANTS TO COME HERE. AND I LIKE THE MIX OF, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IN SOME RETAIL DOWN AT THE BOTTOM THAT KEEPS THE STREETS ACTIVE. AND WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE ON THE STREETS, IT GOOD THINGS HAPPEN. IT'S GOOD FOR BUSINESS. IT'S ALSO VERY SAFE WHEN YOU HAVE PEOPLE WALKING THE STREETS. I GREW UP IN, IN THE NEW YORK CITY AREA. AND. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MADE NEW YORK HAVE SO MUCH ENERGY WAS EVERY BUILDING YOU HAD HOUSES AND OFFICES AND RETAIL DOWN BELOW IN THE STREETS WERE ALWAYS FILLED WITH PEOPLE, AND I THINK NAPLES HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF THAT. AND I LIKE THE WAY THAT IT HAS KIND OF EXTENDED ITSELF UP EIGHTH STREET NOW, BECAUSE WHEN I LEAVE THE AVENUE AT NIGHT AND I'M DRIVING HOME, I'LL TAKE EIGHTH STREET AND MORE AND MORE I'M SEEING MORE PEOPLE JUST WALKING ALONG THE STREET AT NIGHT. SO WHAT'S HAPPENED IS WHERE, LIKE FIFTH AVENUE AND THIRD STREET HAVE ALWAYS BEEN KIND OF DISJOINTED FROM EACH OTHER AND ALMOST IN COMPETITION WITH EACH OTHER, FIFTH AVENUE HAS MANAGED TO KIND OF GROW ANOTHER BRANCH WITH EIGHTH STREET, AND LITTLE BY LITTLE IT'S EXTENDING FURTHER AND FURTHER NORTH. AND, YOU KNOW, NOW IT'S KISSING CENTRAL. AND GOOD CITIES ALWAYS HAVE A LOT OF CONNECTIVITY. IT USED TO BE THAT FIFTH AVENUE WAS THE PLACE, AND YOU DO FIFTH AVENUE IN ONE DAY. IT'S ROUGHLY 1500 LINEAR FEET. THAT'S A DAY. NOW WE'RE ADDING NEW BRANCHES OFF OF FIFTH AVENUE THAT GIVE PEOPLE A REASON TO COME FOR MAYBE TWO DAYS OR THREE DAYS, AND THAT'S THE WAY I CHOOSE TO LOOK AT IT, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, IF I CAN WALK FROM THE BEACH UP FIFTH AVENUE, THEN UP EIGHTH STREET, MAKE A TURN ON CENTRAL, HIT THE DESIGN DISTRICT. IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, I'M EXPERIENCING THE CITY IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN I WOULD HAVE, SAY, 20 YEARS AGO. SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, WHAT WOULD MY THUMBPRINT BE? I THINK THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HELP THAT DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY BECOMING MORE LINEAR AND CONNECTING MORE DIFFERENT PLACES. I DON'T THINK THAT THE DESIGN DISTRICT NEEDS TO LOOK LIKE FIFTH AVENUE. HOWEVER, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE A PLEASANT PATHWAY TO GET FROM ONE TO THE OTHER, AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING. THANK YOU FOR THAT. I APPRECIATE THAT AND COUNCIL FOR FOR CLARIFICATION AND FOR THE COMMUNITY. PROBABLY ONE OF THE WORST EXAMPLES OF SIGNAGE IS CONVENIENCE STORES. AND IF MORE SIGNS SOLD MORE STUFF, THEN ALL YOU WOULD SEE AND YOU DO SEE IT 
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IN SOME MOM AND POPS, BUT YOU SEE SIGNS EVERYWHERE. I MEAN, IT'S JUST NOT A SINGLE SPACE IN THE WINDOW IS LEFT UNCOVERED, BUT I'M HOPING THAT YOUR EYE AND YOUR TALENT, IF YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL AND I DON'T HAVE ANY REASON TO BELIEVE YOU WOULDN'T BE. BRINGS US UP A NOTCH OR TWO HERE IN THE CITY. SO POINT WELL TAKEN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. WOULD THAT BE 711 ALSO? YES, MA'AM. YOU KNOW, I WASN'T GOING TO MENTION 711, BUT. SO I JUST FYI. SO THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD IS DUE TO LOOK AT THE SIGNAGE AND THE LIGHTING CODES. AND I ALSO HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE NEW HANDBOOK. YES. OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE WHAT YOU STARTED WITH, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS FANTASTIC. 
          ONE IS IT'S NOT A MONOLITH, AND THAT EXCELLENCE IS THE IS THE KEY BECAUSE THERE'S FOLKS THAT REALLY HAVE OPINIONS ABOUT WHAT THEY LIKE. AND IT'S GREAT THAT YOU YOU LIKE WHAT IS EXCELLENT AND NOT NECESSARILY HAVE A COOKIE CUTTER OPINION OF WHAT SHOULD BE. AND THEN THE PEOPLE, THE FACT THAT YOU IT ALWAYS COMES BACK TO THE PEOPLE AND THAT'S A BIG DEAL. AND YOU AND I WERE BOTH HERE WHEN NAPLES WASN'T SHOWING UP IN ANY TOP 20 LISTS, AND NOW IT'S ON NUMBER ONE. AND IT SEEMS THERE'S A LOT OF FOLKS THAT CAME IN THE LAST TEN YEARS SINCE IT'S BECOME A TOP 20 OR NUMBER ONE. HUM. THEY'D HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION ABOUT HOW WE GOT TO THAT PLACE THAN WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED WHILE WE WERE HERE. SO IT'S NICE TO HAVE YOUR HISTORY AND YOUR ROOTS. I WILL SAY SOME OF THOSE SAME PEOPLE, THEY DON'T. THEY AREN'T AS INVITING AS YOU. 
          THEY DON'T WANT IT TO BE A DESTINATION. THEY WANT TO BUILD A MOAT AND A DRAWBRIDGE. AND I'M GLAD THAT THAT'S NOT YOUR MENTALITY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR YOUR APPLICATION. AND WE'LL MAKE OUR APPOINTMENTS ON WEDNESDAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. 
          THAT CONCLUDES THAT CONCLUDES OUR INTERVIEWS OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES FOR A MOVING TO 
          [4.B) Moorings Bay Citizens Advisory Committee Annual Presentation.]
FOUR B. NOW. WE ARE DISCUSSING THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THEIR ANNUAL PRESENTATION. 
          YES. GOOD MORNING. NATALIE HARTMAN NATURAL RESOURCES MANAGER, NATURAL RESOURCES ADMINISTERS TWO CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEES IN THE CITY THE EAST NAPLES BAY CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THE BAY CITIZEN ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND TODAY, WE'LL HAVE BILL BRODERICK TO INTRODUCE THE COMMITTEE AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. 
          WELCOME. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR HARTMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE CITY COUNCIL. AND THANK YOU FOR THE INTRO. I'M DELIGHTED TO BE HERE TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE MOORINGS BAY, ONE OF OUR GREAT TREASURES OF NAPLES, FOR SURE. I'VE GOT ABOUT A TEN MINUTE PRESENTATION, IF YOU WILL, DISCUSSION, AND THEN WE CAN OPEN THAT UP TO QUESTIONS. OUR COMMITTEE CONSISTS OF FIVE VERY DEDICATED MEMBERS, ALL WITH A VESTED INTEREST IN KEEPING MOORINGS BAY, THE JEWEL THAT IT IS, THE MOORINGS BAY WAS THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THE TAXING DISTRICT WAS STARTED IN 1987. AND IT INCLUDES ALL THE WATERFRONT PROPERTIES AROUND THE MOORINGS BAY SYSTEM FROM SEAGATE DRIVE ON THE NORTH TO BANYAN ON THE SOUTH, AND INCLUDES ALL THE SUBDIVISIONS OF COQUINA SANDS, THE MOORINGS AND PARK SHORE. I'D LIKE TO SPEND A FEW MINUTES TALKING ABOUT FIVE KEY AREAS OF COMMITTEE OVERSIGHT DREDGING, AIDS TO NAVIGATION, SEAWALLS, WATER QUALITY AND DISTRICT FINANCES, STARTING WITH DREDGING. I THINK THAT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE WE HAVE ON THE TABLE RIGHT NOW. DREDGING OCCURS TYPICALLY IN A FOUR YEAR CYCLE. DOCTOR'S PASS AND THE ENTRANCE TO DOCTOR'S PASS WAS LAST DREDGED IN 2022. AND IT'S IN DIRE NEED OF BEING DREDGED AGAIN AS A RESULT OF THE HURRICANES WE'VE HAD. AND EVEN THE. THE THE SAND MANAGEMENT PROGRAM THAT HAS BEEN DONE ON THE BEACHES RECENTLY THAT 
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CONTRIBUTES TO. CLOGGING UP, FRANKLY, A LITTLE BIT OF THE OF THE PASS. THE THE SCHEDULE FOR THE DREDGING IS LATE THIS WINTER OR EARLY SPRING. THAT'S THAT CAN HAS BEEN KICKED DOWN THE ROAD A LITTLE BIT. AND ANYTHING I KNOW IT'S THE COLLIER COUNTY'S RESPONSIBILITY AND COLLIER COUNTY PAYS FOR IT. BUT WE KNOW THAT YOU ALL HAVE TO PLAY A KEY ROLE IN THAT AS WELL. AND IT'S PAID FOR WITH THE 5% TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX. AND COULD YOU JUST CLARIFY WHAT YOU JUST SAID, THE DREDGE OR THE SAND? THE THE DREDGING IS PAID FOR BY COLLIER COUNTY, AS I UNDERSTAND, CORRECT WITH THE 5% TOURIST TAX. CORRECT. AND THEN AND THEN THE SAND REPLENISHMENT THAT IS THAT'S REALLY THAT'S A A CITY EFFORT PAID FOR BY THE COUNTY AS WELL. 
          NO, IT'S A COUNT. THAT'S ALL A COUNTY EFFORT THEN. OKAY. SO IT'S ALL COUNTY. BUT YOU ALL PLAY A KEY ROLE IN BOTH OF THOSE EFFORTS FOR SURE. I'VE TALKED TO SEVERAL BOATERS. I THINK MAYBE YOU HAVE HEARD FROM SEVERAL BOATERS AS WELL, THAT TRANSPORTATION AND TRAVEL THROUGH THE PAST HAS BECOME A CHALLENGE. I, FOR ONE, HAVE A SAILBOAT THAT DRAWS 4.5FT AND MY BOAT IS SAFELY ON THE HARD UP IN TAMPA BECAUSE I CAN'T BRING IT DOWN HERE RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THERE ARE QUITE A FEW BOATERS THAT HAVE EXPRESSED TO ME THE CHALLENGES OF GETTING THROUGH THE PAST, BUT ALSO THE DANGER. IF YOU GET STUCK IN THE PAST AT LOW TIDE AND THE TIDE COMES UP AND YOU'RE SURROUNDED BY THE JETTY ROCKS, THAT'S NOT A NOT A GREAT SITUATION. SO DREDGING, I THINK, IS NUMBER ONE ON OUR LIST OF THINGS THAT COULD USE ATTENTION. SECOND IS AIDS TO NAVIGATION. WELL, IT'S BEEN A VERY BUSY YEAR FOR CHANNEL MARKERS AND CHANNEL MARKER REPLACEMENTS, AND EACH HURRICANE SEEMS TO HAVE DONE ITS OWN DAMAGE. AND THEN SOME ERRANT BOATERS HAVE DONE A LITTLE DAMAGE THEMSELVES ALONG THE WAY. THE THE ENTRY LIGHT OUTSIDE OF DOCTOR'S PASS IS ON AND OFF FROM TIME TO TIME AND IS CURRENTLY OUT AGAIN. IT'S BEING ADDRESSED. BUT YOU KNOW, FOR A BOATER COMING IN IN THE FOG, IT'S PRETTY HARD TO FIND DOCTOR'S PASS WITHOUT THAT LIGHT OPERATING AND FRANKLY, A DANGEROUS SITUATION. AND THEN WE HAVE THE THE MANATEE ZONE. ALL OF ALL OF THE BAY IS MANATEE ZONE. AND THERE ARE SLOW SPEED AND MINIMUM WAKE SIGNS THAT COME AND GO. THEY'RE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE FISH AND WILDLIFE CONSERVATION. AND AND YOUR STAFF HERE DOES A GREAT JOB OF COMMUNICATING WITH THEM AND AND ENSURING THAT THOSE SIGNS ARE UP AND RUNNING. AND THEN JUST ON THAT, THE ISSUE OF SPEEDING, THERE'S A LOT OF BOATERS THAT LIKE TO COME FLYING INTO DOCTOR'S PASS AND IMPRESS ALL THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE BY. AND WE'RE NOT VERY IMPRESSED. THEY ARE ENDANGERING THE MANATEE, WHICH ARE, YOU KNOW, VERY IMPORTANT PART OF OUR ECOSYSTEM. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST THE ONE AND A FEW THAT THAT CAN BE A PROBLEM. MOST, MOST OF THE BOATERS ARE PRETTY RESPECTFUL OF THE THE. NOW THE MANATEE SIGNS OUT AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE PASS THAT WAS MISSING FOR A LONG TIME, BUT NOW THAT IS BACK. BUT SOME OF THE BOATERS ARE JUST A BIT RECKLESS. WHEN THEY COME FLYING IN, THEY GENERALLY SLOW DOWN, AND WHEN THEY KIND OF GET TO THE INSIDE OF THE PASS, BUT JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP AN EYE ON AND TO. WE APPRECIATE IT WHEN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIALS COMBINE THEIR BOATS WHENEVER THEY CAN, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO STOP IT, FRANKLY. THIRD SEAWALL CONDITIONS. ALL THE SEAWALLS IN THE BAY ARE PRIVATE. THERE'S NO ONGOING CITY INSPECTIONS OF THE SEAWALLS. THEY ARE ADDRESSED WHEN A PROPERTY OWNER OR A NEIGHBOR POINTS OUT A PROBLEM, AS YOU KNOW AND YOU'RE WELL AWARE, THE PARK SHORE VENETIAN VILLAGE SEAWALL IS A LONG TERM PROJECT, VERY EXPENSIVE PROJECT. 
          ONE SECTION HAS BEEN COMPLETED, TWO ARE IN THE DESIGN PHASE RIGHT NOW, AND IT'S BEING AIDED WITH SOME FUNDS FROM THIS FROM THE STATE ON A MATCH BASIS, UP TO $3.5 MILLION, I BELIEVE. 
          WATER QUALITY. WHAT COULD BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN WATER QUALITY OF MOORINGS? BAY. OF COURSE, IT WAS ORIGINALLY A MANGROVE ESTUARY. WE HAVE SOME MANGROVES LEFT, BUT VERY FEW. 
          ONLY AT THE NORTH END OF THE BAY AT. SEAGATE DRIVE. AND, YOU KNOW, MANGROVES DO A WONDERFUL JOB OF PROMOTING SEA LIFE, PROVIDING CLEAN WATER AND PREVENT EROSION. THE BAY IS A VERY ACTIVE BODY OF WATER. IT'S A TIDAL BAY WITH TWO TO 3.5FT OF TIDES TWICE A DAY, WHICH 
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BRING IN FRESH WATER AND FLUSH OUT THE OLD WATER ON AN ONGOING BASIS. THERE'S A INFLOW OF ABOUT 80 PIPES FROM SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THAT FEED INTO THE BAY, AND THERE ARE SIX LAKES THAT FEED INTO THE BAY AS WELL SWAN, DEVILS LAKE, LOUDERMILK PARK, HIDDEN LAKE, LAKE SUZANNE, AND COLONNADE LAKE. THE WATER IS TESTED MONTHLY AT FOUR DIFFERENT STATIONS FOR VARIOUS CHEMICALS AND NUTRIENTS THAT THAT ARE IN THE WATER, AND THE WATER IS GENERALLY CLEANEST WHEN YOU'RE RIGHT AT NEAR DOCTOR'S PASS. AND THEN TO GET TO THE EXTREMES, THAT'S THAT'S WHEN THE READINGS TEND TO BE NOT QUITE AS GOOD. WITH REGARD TO FISH MONITORING, THERE WERE EFFORTS CONDUCTED FOUR TIMES A YEAR THROUGH 2022. THOSE EFFORTS HAVE HAVE HAVE NOT CONTINUED SINCE THEN, BUT IT WAS ALWAYS REALLY GOOD TO SEE THE REPORTS OF WHAT FISH WERE LIVING IN THE BAY THERE. THE ULTIMATE. IF YOU WILL, SHOW OF RESULTS OF WHAT HOW HOW CLEAN THE WATER IS BY THE THE LIFE THAT'S IN THE BAY. A FEW PROJECTS RELATED TO WATER QUALITY THAT ARE IN THE WORKS ARE RECENTLY, RECENTLY COMPLETED. THE LIKE INFLOW STUDY. THERE'S A FIVE YEAR EVALUATION GOING ON OF THE MONTHLY WATER TESTING. AND THEN THERE'S THE SWAN LAKE PROJECT WHERE THEY'RE TESTING THAT MICROBE MICROBE LIFT, WHICH I THINK IS CONTINUING THROUGH NEXT MONTH. FINALLY, JUST A FEW COMMENTS ON DISTRICT FINANCES. 
          I THINK IN YOUR PACKET, THERE'S A TEN YEAR SUMMARY OF THE FINANCES THAT I PULLED TOGETHER, JUST COMING OFF OF THE REPORTS FROM THE FINANCIAL REPORTS OF THE CITY AND A FEW KEY CONCLUSIONS. THE TAXING DISTRICT IS FINANCIALLY QUITE SOUND. THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED MILLAGE RATE IS ONE HALF MILL, BUT WE'RE CURRENTLY AT A QUARTER OF THAT. IT WAS DROPPED IN 2017 TO ITS CURRENT RATE, AND IN TERMS OF DOLLARS, WE'RE TALKING $12.50 PER MILLION DOLLAR VALUATION. SO NOT A VERY BIG HEAVY LOAD FOR THE THE FOLKS THAT THAT LIVE ON THE BAY. 
          INTEREST INCOME ON THE FUND BALANCE IS VERY STRONG. AND IF YOU COMBINE THE TAX AND THE INTEREST, IT EASILY COVERS THE EXPENSES THAT WE'VE INCURRED OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS. AS A MATTER OF FACT, INCOME IS REALLY MORE THAN DOUBLE THE EXPENSES THAT WE'VE INCURRED OVER THE LAST TEN YEARS. TODAY, OUR FUND BALANCE IS AROUND $1.3 MILLION, AND IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT WHEN THE TAXING DISTRICT WAS ORIGINALLY ESTABLISHED, THE TAX WAS STARTED IN PART TO PAY FOR DREDGING. AND, OF COURSE, THAT THAT'S NOT BEEN THE CASE FOR MANY YEARS. SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY WE HAVE A POSITIVE FLOW OF CASH EVERY YEAR INTO THE TAXING DISTRICT. SO I JUST WANT TO CLOSE BY SAYING THAT, AGAIN, THE MORGAN'S BAY IS ONE OF THE CROWN JEWELS OF NAPLES. MY WIFE AND I TOOK ADVANTAGE OF A LITTLE BOAT RIDE A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO, AND WENT INTO EVERY NOOK AND CRANNY OF THE BAY, AND IF YOU HAVEN'T DONE THAT IN A WHILE, IT'S IT'S VERY IMPRESSIVE. THE THE HOUSES THAT ARE THERE, THE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE THERE. AND IT'S REALLY JUST A SPECTACULAR PART OF OUR CITY. 
          AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE DO ALL WE CAN TO TO MAINTAIN IT. AND WITH THAT, I WILL TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AND PASS THEM ALL ON TO TO KATIE AND TO NATALIE. THERE YOU GO. WELL, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMITMENT TO THIS BOARD. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT BOARD TO THIS COUNCIL. 
          YOU MENTIONED THE TDC AND DREDGE. MISS HARTMAN, DO YOU KNOW WHEN THE NEXT DREDGE IS GOING TO BE? THEY'RE IN THE PROCESS OF PERMITTING THAT DREDGE NOW. I THINK THEY'RE THEY MAY HAVE IT PERMITTED AND THEY'RE GETTING READY TO START THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE REQUISITION PURCHASING PROCESS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF KATIE HAS ANY MORE DETAILS. KATIE LOCKETT AND NATURAL RESOURCES. THE COUNTY'S INITIAL GOAL WAS TO DO ONE MOBILIZATION. SO ONE RFP FOR WIGGINS PASS, WHICH IS IN PRETTY DIRE STRAITS AS WELL. AND THEN DO DOCTORS PASS RIGHT AFTER THAT, THE ARMY CORPS PERMIT FOR WIGGINS PASS HAS BEEN HUNG UP FOR SO LONG NOW. 
          DON'T KNOW THE REASON WHY, BUT THE COUNTY IS NOW LOOKING AT MAKING THE DREDGING OF DOCTORS. 
          PASS A SEPARATE PROJECT SO THAT CAN PROCEED WITHOUT THE HANGING UP OF OF THE WIGGINS PASS DREDGING, BECAUSE THEY RECOGNIZE THE URGENCY OF THIS. AND SINCE WE HAVE A TDC MEMBER 
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THAT WILL MAKE SURE THAT THAT INITIATIVE MOVES FORWARD, COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER I'LL MAKE SURE. THANK YOU. KATIE. I UNDERSTOOD THE SAME THING, BUT I THOUGHT WE HAD. MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THEY DON'T ANTICIPATE OR ARE EXPERIENCING THE SAME HEADWINDS AS THEY DID WITH WIGGINS. HAVE YOU HEARD FOR THE DOCTOR'S PASS? YEAH. SO ALL OF THAT MONITORING THAT'S REQUIRED PER THE PERMIT FOR THE NEARSHORE HARD BOTTOM FOR THE SEAGRASS AREAS INSIDE THE PASS, THE COUNTY IS COMPLETED. ALL THE REQUIREMENTS NEEDED FOR THE PERMIT THAT COVERS DOCTOR'S PASS. SO IT REALLY WAS GETTING HUNG UP ON THAT. THE WIGGINS PASS WHICH WHICH THEY'RE WAITING FOR THE ARMY CORPS PERMIT. SO THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING. ALSO UNDERSTAND THE MONEY'S THERE. IT'S JUST IT'S THERE. IT'S WE'RE READY TO GO. THAT'S THE CASE. YEAH. 
          THANKS. DID YOU HAVE A COMMENT? COUNCIL MEMBER. AND IT IS A COMMENT. YOU ALSO HAVE PEOPLE ON THIS? I'M ON THE COASTAL ADVISORY COMMITTEE. I'VE BEEN ON IT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA IF YOU CAME TO THOSE, THOSE MEETINGS AND EXPRESS YOUR CONCERNS AND YOUR FRUSTRATION WITH HOW SLOW THINGS GO. I CAN GUARANTEE YOU THAT OTHER PEOPLE DO. SO I THINK THAT'S ONE COMMITTEE THAT I WOULD CERTAINLY PUT INTO YOUR. BAILIWICK. I WILL DO THAT. 
          THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. BECAUSE THE TDC MONEY COMES TO US AND THEN WE DECIDE WHERE THE MONEY IS GOING TO GO. SO I THINK SQUEAKIEST WHEEL. SO THERE'S THE OTHER COUNCIL MEMBER WHO FOLLOWS THE MOORINGS BAY. THE YOU MENTIONED THE LIGHT AT THE POINT YOU SAID IT'S IN THE PROCESS OF BEING REPAIRED OR. YES, IT'S IT'S CURRENTLY OUT AND IT GOES OUT AT SUCH A REGULAR BASIS APPARENTLY THAT WE'VE ORDERED ONE AND THERE'S ANOTHER ONE IN THE WORKS. AND I DON'T HAVE EXACT TIMING. KATIE, DO YOU KNOW WHEN THAT LIGHT'S GOING TO BE? SORRY TO THROW THIS TO YOU AGAIN, BUT THE LIGHT WAS JUST ORDERED WITH THIS NEW FISCAL YEAR, SO I ANTICIPATE IT WITHIN THE NEXT WEEK OR SO AND POTENTIALLY INSTALL THEN AND THEN THAT WAY WE HAVE A BACKUP LIGHT SO THAT IF THE THE TROUBLESHOOTING OF THE CURRENT LIGHT ISN'T APPARENT, A SWAP CAN BE MADE. SO AND THEN A KEY COMPONENT OF THAT IS HAVING A MARINE CONTRACTOR ON HAND TO DO THE WORK. AND THAT'S BEEN ANOTHER REOCCURRING ISSUE, IS A LOT OF THE MARINE CONTRACTORS ARE JUST TOO BUSY FOR SMALLER PROJECTS LIKE THIS. SO TRYING TO GET A MARINE CONTRACTOR OUT IN A TIMELY MANNER IS ANOTHER BIG HURDLE THAT WE CONTINUE TO ADDRESS. WHEN SAFETY IS AN ISSUE, WE BETTER WE SHOULD REALLY FIND ANOTHER CONTRACTOR THAT CAN ASSIST IN THAT. THEN I'M IN THE WORKS RIGHT NOW TRYING TO GET A POA ISSUED FOR SOMEONE THAT CAN BE ON HAND FOR THESE TYPES OF THINGS. THANK YOU. SIGNAGE PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO LEAVE. WHAT IS THE STATUS OF THE SIGNAGE? DO WE HAVE A NUMBER THAT IS BEING REPLACED OR THAT PROJECT HAS BEEN COMPLETED? SO ALL OF THE FWC SIGNS HAVE BEEN REPLACED. 
          AND THEN ALL OF THE NAVIGATIONAL MARKERS HAVE ALSO BEEN REPLACED. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN SEAWALLS. YOU MENTIONED THE SEAWALLS. HAS THIS COMMITTEE DISCUSSED THE INCREASE IN HEIGHT FOR THE SEAWALLS? NO, WE HAVE NOT. NO. OKAY. I'M SURE THAT'S GOING TO BE ON YOUR NEXT AGENDA. YEAH, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT. I THINK INTERNALLY WE'RE STILL HAVING A DISCUSSION ABOUT SEAWALLS AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND HOW THIS IS ALL WORKING TOGETHER. 
          SO BUT DEFINITELY THEY'LL BE PART OF THAT WHEN THE TIME COMES. YEAH. WELL WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT TODAY ALSO FOR OUR BUSINESS RESILIENCY. SO OR A CASE FOR RESILIENCY. SO THAT'S A GOOD THING. WELL I WILL JUST ADD TO THAT WITH OUR LITTLE TOUR. THE SEAWALLS ARE ALL A VARIETY OF HEIGHTS. AND THERE'S SOME POOR NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE THE OLD LOW SEAWALLS. AND THEY'RE SURROUNDED BY NEIGHBORS ON BOTH SIDES WITH MUCH HIGHER. AND WHEN THE WATER RISES, GUESS WHO'S GOING TO GET FLOODED? SO I'M GLAD YOU'RE ADDRESSING THAT. WELL, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A TOWN HALL WITH THE MOORINGS NEIGHBORHOOD TO DISCUSS THIS, BECAUSE THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT THEIR OPTIONS WILL BE. AND HOW THEY WILL BE AFFECTED IF THEY DON'T, BECAUSE IT'S OBVIOUSLY YOU NEED A CONSISTENCY THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. SO. CORRECT. 
          YES. YEAH. OKAY. THE OTHER IS SPEEDING. CHIEF DOMINGUEZ IS HERE. I'M SURE HE HEARD YOU. 
          AND HE'LL LOOK AT ADDRESSING THE THE SPEEDING IN THAT AREA AS IT MAINLY IN THROUGH THE 
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CANALS BECAUSE NO, NOT SO MUCH THE CANALS JUST INTO IN AND OUT OF DOCTOR'S PASS. THEY JUST CAN'T YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN MOTORING ALONG SLOWLY SINCE OF VENETIAN VILLAGE ALL THE WAY DOWN. AND BY THE TIME THEY GET TO THAT PASS, THEY JUST THEY'RE READY TO GO, YOU KNOW, THEY JUST CAN'T STAND IT ANYMORE. THEY GOTTA THEY GOTTA PUT IT IN GEAR. SO. AND THEN COMING IN, THEY DO LIKE TO COME IN PRETTY FAST. AND AGAIN IT'S MAYBE ONE OF 50 BOATS. SO IT'S IT'D BE YOU KNOW, POLICING WOULD BE HARD TO DO BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S JUST A FEW, BUT IT ONLY TAKES ONE BOAT TO, YOU KNOW, DO SOME PRETTY BAD DAMAGE TO ONE OF THE MANATEE. RIGHT. AND THE NO WAKE ZONE THROUGH THE CANALS. YOU'RE NOT HAVING ISSUES WITH THAT? WELL, I THINK IT'S MOSTLY MINIMUM WAGE. THERE'S SOME NO WAKE. I MEAN, YEAH, THERE'S SOME MINIMUM, SOME NO WAKE, MOSTLY MINIMUM. I DON'T THINK THAT'S MUCH OF AN ISSUE UP THERE. I DON'T I'VE GOT A BIRD'S EYE VIEW OF DOCTOR'S PASS WHERE I LIVE, SO I KNOW EXACTLY I CAN SEE EVERY BOAT COMING AND GOING, AND I DON'T HAVE QUITE THE VIEW UP TOP IN THE REST OF THE BAY, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S MUCH OF AN ISSUE UP THERE. OKAY. YOU MENTIONED THE MANGROVES AT THE END OF SEAGATE. I KNOW KATIE HAS BEEN VERY INVOLVED IN DOING OYSTER REEFS FOR WATER QUALITY. 
          KATIE, HAVE YOU? THOUGHT ABOUT PLACES THAT WE CAN PUT MANGROVES BACK THAT MAY HAVE BEEN REMOVED OR AND HOW OUR HOW'S THE OYSTER PROJECT GOING UP THERE? SO THAT NORTHERN END, THAT ENTIRE SHORELINE IS ALREADY LINED WITH TALL, MATURE MANGROVES. SO WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THOSE PERPETUATE, BECAUSE THAT'S THE BEST HABITAT WE CAN HAVE IN THE BAY IS, IS THE MANGROVES AND THE ROOTS THAT ALLOW FOR THE OYSTER GROWTH. AND THERE'S ALSO RIPRAP UP THERE TOO, THAT OYSTERS CAN ATTACH TO. AS FAR AS CREATING, YOU KNOW, NEW OYSTER AREAS. WE TRIED ON THE THAT FLOOD TIDE SHOAL TO, TO DO OYSTER REEFS A WHILE AGO. IT'S JUST TOO DYNAMIC OF AN AREA TO TO DO THAT. THEY WOULD BE BURIED AND UNBURIED. SO REALLY THE, THE BEST HABITAT WE CAN CREATE TO ALLOW OYSTERS TO ATTACH IS RIPRAP IN FRONT OF SEAWALLS OR RIPRAP INSTEAD OF SEAWALLS, BECAUSE IT ALLOWS THAT SLOPING STRUCTURE THAT NOT ONLY ALLOWS THE NOOKS AND CRANNIES FOR THE THE SEA LIFE AND OYSTERS TO ATTACH TO, BUT IT CAPTURES THOSE MANGROVE PROPAGULES TOO, AND CAN CREATE MORE MANGROVE SHORELINE. DO WE HAVE ANY POLICIES FOR YOU ON RIPRAP VERSUS THE SEAWALLS? THE ONLY THING IN OUR CODE IS WITH REGARDS TO NAPLES BAY AND THE GORDON RIVER. AND IF YOU FRONT A NATURAL WATERWAY, YOU HAVE TO PLACE RIPRAP IN FRONT OF THAT. THAT'S OUR PRIMARY CODE, BUT NOTHING IN MOORINGS. CORRECT? THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT YOU NEED TO DISCUSS AT YOUR ONE OF YOUR MEETINGS. SO THERE ARE NO OTHER AREAS FOR MANGROVES UP IN THE MORNINGS AREA IN THE BAY. WE DO HAVE RESIDENTS THAT EMBRACE MANGROVES, AND WE OFTEN USE A LONGTIME RESIDENT OF MOORINGS BAY AS A A SHINING EXAMPLE OF HOW YOU CAN HAVE A DOCK AND AND A RIPRAP SHORELINE AND MANGROVES AND HAVE IT ALL AND COEXIST IN THAT WAY. BUT SO WE DO HAVE OTHER RESIDENTS THAT EMBRACE THAT SHORT TYPE OF SHORELINE. BUT IT'S I WOULDN'T SAY IT'S A LONG CONTIGUOUS AREA. IT'S IT'S KIND OF HERE AND THERE AND SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE WATERSHED. WHO MAKES THE POLICY NOW OR CONTROLS PERMITTING TO REMOVE MANGROVES? BECAUSE NO LONGER MANGROVES ARE REGULATED BY THE STATE. SO UNFORTUNATELY THERE ARE LOOPHOLES AT THE STATE PERMITTING LEVEL THAT ALLOWS FOR THE EASY REMOVAL OF MANGROVES. IF YOU'RE PUTTING IN IF YOU'RE REPLACING RIPRAP OR A SEAWALL, OR IF YOU'RE CONNECTING A NEW SEAWALL BETWEEN PROPERTIES. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO LOOK AT BECAUSE WE USED TO, AT A LOCAL LEVEL, BE ABLE TO APPROVE THE REMOVAL OF MANGROVES. I KNOW WHEN DOCTOR BOWER WAS HERE AT ONE TIME, WE DID LOOK AT THE LOCAL DELEGATED AUTHORITY FROM THE STATE TO THE CITY. IT GOT CONVOLUTED PRETTY QUICKLY IN THAT IF WE WERE TO ACCEPT THE PERMITTING RESPONSIBILITY FOR MANGROVES, THEY BASICALLY SAY, WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO THEREFORE BE REVIEWING ALL OF THE DOCKS AND SEAWALLS AND EVERYTHING THAT WOULD COME THROUGH TO US. SO IT IT WAS HARD TO PARSE OUT JUST THE MANGROVES. AND IT WAS A MUCH LARGER RESPONSIBILITY THAT THEY RELAYED TO US THAT WOULD 
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BE NEEDED FOR THAT. SO WHO REVIEWS THE SEAWALLS? AND YOU SAID SEAWALLS AND DOCKS AND AND DOCKS. SO A LOT OF WHAT GOES ON IN TERMS OF DOCKS, SEAWALLS ARE CONSIDERED AN EXEMPTION AT THE STATE LEVEL, BUT THEY WOULD NEED A CITY, A LOCAL PERMIT. SO WE REVIEW SEAWALLS. WE DO, WE DO. OKAY. AND THEN YOU MENTIONED THE. FIVE YEAR EVALUATION. WHAT'S WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THAT FOR LOOKING AT THE TESTING. AND SO THE FIRM FOR THAT TETRA TECH WAS JUST APPROVED AT LAST MONTH'S COUNCIL MEETING. SO WE'VE HAD THE KICKOFF MEETING FOR THAT. 
          THEY ARE IN THE DATA GATHERING PHASE. SO THAT IS FULL STEAM AHEAD WITH THAT ANALYSIS AND THE TESTING POINTS COMPARED TO THE COUNTY TESTING POINTS. ARE THEY ARE IS REFRESH MY MEMORY. 
          THEY'RE TESTING AT THE OUTFLOW INFLOW AND OUTFLOW INFLOW FROM THE COUNTY OR SO. THERE'S TWO SEPARATE EFFORTS. SO WE HAVE THE ESTUARINE SAMPLING WHICH IT HAS BEEN THE SAME FOUR SITES SINCE 2008. SO WE HAVE A GOOD LONG TERM DATA SET FOR THOSE FOR THE ESTUARY. AND THEN WE HAVE THE LAKE OUTFLOW SAMPLING WHICH IS ON THE UPLAND SIDE AND MEASURES WHAT'S COMING INTO THE BAY. SO TWO SEPARATE FIRMS WORKING ON THOSE. WE'VE BEEN TESTING FOUR SITES. ARE WE ARE YOU LOOKING AT? I MEAN, IS THAT DATA SHOWN US ANYTHING THAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MAKE CHANGES ON OR IMPROVEMENTS ON SO THAT WE, THE DATA GETS UPLOADED TO THE STATE SYSTEM FOR USE FOR THE IMPAIRED WATERS RULE. SO OVER TIME, WE HAVE NOTICED INCREASING NUTRIENTS IN THE BAY. 
          SO DEP HAS IMPAIRED THE WATER BODY OR SHOWN IT TO BE POLLUTED FOR NUTRIENTS. TOTAL PHOSPHORUS, TOTAL NITROGEN. SO THAT'S WHY THESE PROJECTS IN THE WATERSHED, LIKE THE RESTORATION OF LAKE SUZANNE, WE HAVE DEVILS LAKE. I BELIEVE THEY'RE AT THE 60% DESIGN PLAN. SO TRYING TO CAPTURE THESE BEFORE THEY ENTER THE BAY IS KEY. AND THAT WAS FOR THE TESTING SITES ON THE ESTUARIES. SO THE FOUR SITES IN THE ESTUARIES. BUT THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE UPLAND LAKE SAMPLING THAT'S TESTING THE OUTFLOW. AND IT'S IT'S ISOLATED FROM THE ESTUARY. SO WE ARE CAPTURING WHAT'S COMING IN. WHERE'S THE ESTUARY SAMPLING. IT'S ALREADY MIXED. AND ANYTHING FROM THE COUNTY ENTERING INTO THOSE LAKES. I BELIEVE THERE'S A SMALL PORTION OF THE COUNTY THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE WATERSHED OF SWAN LAKE ON THE EAST SIDE OF 41, BUT I BELIEVE MR. MIDDLETON SAID THAT THAT THEY WERE REROUTING SOME OF I DON'T KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE HERE FROM STORMWATER. SORRY. YEAH. I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT WHEN THAT WE'RE DOING COORDINATION OF THESE TESTING AND ESPECIALLY FROM THE COUNTY FOR WHAT'S ENTERING INTO THE LAKES. HOPEFULLY I KNOW MR. YOUNG WILL COORDINATE THAT SO THAT WE CAN GET BETTER UNDERSTANDING FROM THE COUNTY TO THE CITY AND HOW WE CAN ADDRESS IT FROM AN INTERGOVERNMENTAL ISSUE. I'M SORRY, BUT YOU SAID A LOT. THE LAST THING IS. THAT'S IT. I HAVE VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU, MR. BRODERICK. SOME CLEAR THOUGHTS. AND IT LOOKED TO ME THAT IT WAS APPARENT TO ME, ANYWAY THAT YOU AND THE MEMBERS OF THE ADVISORY GROUP HAD GIVEN SOME THINKING TO SOME THOUGHT, TO WHAT THE PRIORITIES WERE, WHAT REALLY NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED. I NEED TO MAKE SURE I'M I TOOK GOOD NOTES, DREDGING NUMBER ONE. YOU SAID YOU TALKED ABOUT MARKERS. 
          IT'S KIND OF A SIGNAGE THING. YEAH. WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE THERE. YEAH. LIGHTS ON, DOCTOR'S PASS, BOAT SPEEDS. WAS THERE SOMETHING ELSE? WELL, CONDITIONS OF THE SEAWALL AND JUST WATER QUALITY. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN FINANCES OF COURSE, WHICH WE'RE IN GOOD SHAPE. GOT THE FINANCES. YEP. ALL RIGHT. SO I WANTED TO JUST QUICKLY TALK ON THE SPEED THE BOAT SPEED. AND BEFORE I SAY ANYTHING ABOUT IT HAS THE HAS THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE WORKED ON ADDRESSING BOAT SPEED SPECIFIC PLANS. WE TALK ABOUT IT ALMOST AT EVERY MEETING. 
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OKAY. AND YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF OF COURSE EVERYTHING'S WE'RE JUST ADVISORY. IT'S EVERYTHING'S OUT OF OUR CONTROL. OKAY. BUT WE DO MAKE A NOTE OF IT. AND. YOU KNOW, I ALWAYS HAVE THIS CRAZY IDEA THAT WITH MODERN TECHNOLOGY, I MEAN, THERE'S SPEED SIGNS ON ROADS. 
          WHY NOT HAVE A SPEED SIGN IN THE PAST THAT FLASHES? LIGHTS SAY SLOW DOWN. I MEAN, IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT SIMPLE I THINK WOULD GET PEOPLE'S ATTENTION. WE GO BY. WE'RE SO WEDDED TO THE OLD FASHIONED, YOU KNOW, SIGNAGE, YOU KNOW, THAT IT DOESN'T GET PEOPLE'S ATTENTION. YOU DON'T EVEN NOTICE THEM, FRANKLY, WHEN YOU'RE. SO YOU'RE GOING EXACTLY WHERE I'M GOING TO GO WITH MY STATEMENT ON THIS, OKAY? AND WE HAVE THE THE CHIEF OF POLICE HERE. SO NOT KNOWING I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT'S OUT THERE IN TERMS OF BEST PRACTICES. BUT MY FIRST MY FIRST THOUGHT IS GO IDENTIFY THE BEST PRACTICES RIGHT AND COME UP WITH A PLAN AND THEN MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. BUT HERE'S HERE'S WHAT I FOUND IS THAT THERE IS NO I DON'T SEE A CURRENT LAW, A STATUTE IN FLORIDA THAT EXPLICITLY ALLOWS AUTOMATED CAMERA DETECTION OF SPEEDING BOATS IN MOST WATERWAYS. BUT THAT WORD MOST IS WHERE I SEE AN OPPORTUNITY, RIGHT? THERE ARE LAWS ADDRESSING AUTOMATED SPEED DETECTION CAMERAS, MOSTLY FOR ROAD TRAFFIC SCHOOL ZONES. THAT'S WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THE, YOU KNOW, REPORTING AND IDENTIFYING THAT TO THE THE BOAT OPERATOR. AND EXISTING LAW, OF COURSE, GIVES LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS THE POWER TO ENFORCE BOAT SPEED LAWS. SO AGAIN, THERE'S I COULDN'T FIND A STATUTE SAYING YOU MAY USE AUTOMATED CAMERA SYSTEMS TO DETECT VESSELS, VESSELS EXCEEDING SPEED AND WEIGHT LIMITS. AND PRIMARILY IT'S BECAUSE BOATS ARE OPERATING IN 3D LIKE THEY'RE MOVING. THERE'S A WAKE. THERE'S DIFFERENT ELEMENTS THAT TYPICAL CAMERA. 
          THERE MAY BE SOME CHALLENGES, BUT HERE'S MY ASK. AND IT'S ONLY ME, RIGHT? I'M I'M ONE OF SEVEN UP HERE, SO TAKE IT AS YOU WANT. CONSIDER WORKING ON DRAFT LEGISLATION WHICH CITY COUNCIL COULD SUPPORT AND THEN INFLUENCE THE COLLIER COUNTY LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION TO BRING FORWARD A LOCAL RULE. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HOUSE PORTION IN TALLAHASSEE THAT THAT'S WHO HAS TO BRING FORTH A LOCAL RULE, NOT A SENATOR, AND BRING FORWARD A LOCAL RULE WHICH MAKES ITS WAY INTO FLORIDA STATUTE. SO THAT'S WHERE WE WANT TO END UP. AND BY DOING SO, I BELIEVE WE COULD POSITIVELY IMPACT THE RESILIENCY. WELL, WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? WELL, THE INTEGRITY OF OUR SEAWALLS AND OUR DOCKS, THOSE SPEEDS IN THOSE BOAT SPEED ZONES ARE THERE FOR A REASON. AND IF YOU START COMPROMISING THE INTEGRITY OF OUR SEAWALLS AND DOCKS, IT'S GOING TO WORK AGAINST THE COMMUNITY FOR RESILIENCY. IT'LL ALSO BETTER PROTECT MANATEES AND IMPROVE WATER SAFETY IN BOAT SPEED ZONES. SO THAT WOULD BE, I HOPE, THE NEXT TIME WE SEE YOU, OR EVEN BEFORE SOMETHING THAT MAKES THAT HAPPEN. SO THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. IF I COULD JUST IF I COULD JUST COMMENT ON THAT. I THINK THAT'S A GREAT SUGGESTION. 
          I WOULD KIND OF PARSE PARSE THE IDEA INTO TWO DIFFERENT SECTIONS. SO PERHAPS THERE'S SOME TECHNOLOGY THAT YOU COULD USE THAT TRACKS THE BOAT. RIGHT. AND FOR THE CAMERA, I'M NOT SURE WE NEED THAT. I MEAN, IT'D BE GREAT, I THINK IF YOU JUST IF YOU STARTED WITH SOMETHING, THIS RADAR GUN AND A SIGN, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHO IT IS, BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST PASSED THIS MANATEE SIGN. YOU'RE GOING 30 KNOTS, 25 KNOTS INTO DOCTOR'S PASS. JUST A BIG FLASH. SLOW DOWN AND MAYBE, YOU KNOW, A PICTURE OF A CUTE LITTLE MANATEE AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, MANATEE LIVE HERE. DON'T DON'T BE DOING THIS. AND THAT MAY BE ENOUGH TO TO ADDRESS THE MATTER AND GET A DESIRED OUTCOME. OKAY. WE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT FOR SURE. THANK YOU. GREAT SUGGESTION. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER KRISEMAN. 
          AND THEN KRAMER. THANK YOU. THANKS, MR. BRODERICK, FOR A REALLY GOOD REPORT. AND KATIE AND NATALIE, THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS AS WELL. I JUST HAD ONE THOUGHT AND SUGGESTION A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. WE HAD. STAFF PRESENT TO US A RESILIENCY VISION AND PLAN FOR THE CITY, AND FIRST TIME WE'VE HAD THAT COMPLETED AND DONE IN A HOLISTIC WAY, AND IT WAS AN 
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EXCELLENT JOB. NATALIE AND KATIE, I KNOW, WERE A BIG PART OF THE STAFF EFFORT IN PUTTING THAT TOGETHER. THE, THE, THE PLAN. AND IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, MR. BRODERICK, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO SO. HAS THREE PILLARS TO IT. OFFSHORE ON THE SHORE MAY BE USING INCORRECT TERMINOLOGY, BUT THIS IS THE BASIC IDEA. OFFSHORE, ONSHORE AND INLAND. 
          AND THE INLAND PART AND THE ONSHORE PART IS WHERE MOST OF THE EFFORT TO DATE HAS BEEN MADE TO TRY TO PREVENT AND TO TRY TO MITIGATE FLOODING AND OTHER THINGS AROUND STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHAT WE'RE DOING ON THE BEACHES AND SO ON. OFFSHORE IS SORT OF NEW TERRITORY IN TERMS OF WHAT CAN BE DONE TO TO BUILD NATURAL OR PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE OFFSHORE THAT COULD MITIGATE FLOOD RISK. RIGHT. AND IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME THAT THIS IS SOMETHING, GIVEN THAT A BIG PART OF OUR SHORELINE IS WITHIN THE JURISDICTION OF THE MOORINGS BAY SPECIAL DISTRICT. THIS COULD BE SOMETHING FOR YOUR COMMITTEE TO WEIGH IN ON, TO LOOK AT AND WEIGH IN ON, IN TERMS OF WHAT ARE THE, IF ANY, INVESTMENTS THAT MIGHT BE CONSIDERED IN THE FUTURE IN TERMS OF NATURAL OR MAN MADE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT COULD BE HELPFUL TO OUR OVERALL RESILIENCY, FLOOD MITIGATION STRATEGY. SO I WANTED TO PLANT THAT SEED, ENCOURAGE YOU IN THE COMMITTEE TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE RESILIENCY PLAN AND SEE WHETHER THERE IS SOME IDEAS COULD EMERGE THROUGH YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH STAFF. THANK YOU. WE WILL DEFINITELY TAKE THAT UP. OKAY. I HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN. MR. KRAMER, HAVE YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO THIS GENTLEMAN? BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE MY SECOND. HAVE YOU HAVE YOU HAD A CHANCE TO SPEAK WITH THEM? BECAUSE THIS WOULD BE MY SECOND TIME. I'D WANT TO DEFER TO YOU IF YOU'VE NOT HAD YOUR OPPORTUNITY. I HAVE NOT. AND PLEASE GO. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. FANTASTIC. AND THANKS FOR THE TIME YOU'RE WILLING TO SPEND AND THE ENERGY THAT YOU'VE SPENT. I JUST WANT TO SAY THIS ABOUT THE SPEEDING PART. THANKS TO COUNCIL AND MY COMMITMENT HERE, I GOT TO SELL MY BOAT RECENTLY BECAUSE I DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO USE IT. BUT I'VE BEEN IN AND OUT TONS OF TIMES, FISHED BACK THERE TONS OF TIMES. THE REALITY IS THIS AND YOU MAY AGREE WITH THIS, THOSE SPEEDERS ARE TYPICALLY RENTALS. THEY'RE NOT LOCALS THAT'S IN THE MIX. JUST KNOW THAT. AND WE FUSS AT THEM TOO. AND EVERY BOAT AROUND THE NOSE THAT'S FROM HERE, WAVING THEM DOWN AND POINTING AND FUSSING AND SOMETIMES FISTFIGHTS AND ON OCCASION, NOT THAT I WOULD KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ANY OF THAT, BUT I WOULD JUST AN OPPORTUNITY HERE. I DON'T KNOW WHO WOULD CONTACT THEM. I DON'T KNOW IF CHIEF WOULD, BUT IF YOU WANT TO, WE DON'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO INTERDICT LIKE WE'D LIKE TO. BUT FWC AND BY THE WAY, FWC, IF YOU'RE ON A BOAT, IT'S KIND OF LIKE DRIVING. IT'S VERY DIFFERENT FOR A STATE TROOPER TO PULL YOU OVER THAN A LOCAL POLICE. FWC DOESN'T PLAY. THEY'VE ALSO RECENTLY WE JUST HAD A RECENT LAW THAT CONSTRAINS HOW YOU MAY KNOW THIS WHO THEY CAN STOP. THEY'VE MADE IT MORE DIFFICULT TO STOP BOATS. THIS LAST LEGISLATIVE SESSION, I BELIEVE IT WAS. AND SO MAYBE THEY HAVE A LITTLE MORE OPPORTUNITY, A LITTLE MORE TIME. I KNOW, I KNOW, THEY HAVE THEIR OWN PATTERNS OF HOW THEY WANT TO MONITOR BOAT TRAFFIC, BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING WE COULD REACH OUT TO IN ORDER THE KNUCKLEHEADS OR KNUCKLEHEADS. AND I DON'T CARE HOW MANY SIGNS YOU PUT OR HOW WHAT THE TECHNOLOGY IS, AND THEY'RE IN A RENTAL, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO? YOU'RE GOING TO GO. BY THE TIME YOU GET TO THEM, THEY'RE BACK WHEREVER THEY CAME FROM. 
          SO BUT FWC GETS INVOLVED. AND JUST THE FACT THAT THEIR PRESENCE AND THEIR CALMING AFFECTS EVERYBODY. SO I WOULD AND PLUS THEN IT GETS BACK TO THE TO THE DOCK MASTERS AND THE PEOPLE WHO RENT AND SAY, HEY LOOK, FWC IS OUT. YOU GO OVER THERE AND WE'RE GOING TO FIND YOU WHATEVER. BECAUSE YOU GOT PULLED OVER AND YOU WERE DOING WHATEVER YOU WERE DOING. I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'LL SOLVE THE PROBLEM, BUT MAYBE IT CAN HELP. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN A QUESTION FOR NATALIE. THERE ARE 80 PIPES COMING INTO THIS SYSTEM. DO WE KNOW WHAT THE DISPOSITION OF THOSE PIPES ARE? ARE THEY CLEAN OR ARE THEY FULL OF CRUSTACEANS OR WHATEVER? TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE'S A MAINTENANCE PROGRAM FOR THE STORMWATER SYSTEM SO THEY WOULD BE MAINTAINED ON A REGULAR BASIS. OKAY, OKAY. 
          BECAUSE THAT IS PART OF A DYNAMIC SYSTEM. MR. BRODERICK, I THINK WE NEED TO CLOSE THE COMMUNICATIONS GAP HERE. IF YOU'LL LET ME KNOW WHEN YOUR MEETINGS ARE. SINCE I'M ON THE CAC, LET'S CLOSE THAT GAP AND I'D LIKE TO COME TO YOUR MEETINGS. OH, THAT'D BE TERRIFIC. AND I'D LIKE TO COME TO THE MEETINGS THAT YOU REFERRED TO. LET'S PULL THAT 
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TOGETHER LATER. THE NEXT MEETING IS NEXT TUESDAY AT 9 A.M. OUR MEETING IS. YES, TUESDAY AT NINE. THURSDAY AT 9 A.M. AND YOU MEET HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, HERE, RIGHT HERE. 
          YEP. THANK YOU. CAN ALSO BE WATCHED ONLINE AND SEEN ON CHANNEL 98. IT'S MUST SEE TV. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND YOUR COMMITTEE SERVICE AND STAFF. WE APPRECIATE YOUR COORDINATION AND GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU. JUST A FINAL COMMENT ON THE MANGROVES. SO AS YOU GO THROUGH YOUR STUDY OF HEIGHTS OF THE THE SEAWALLS, MY OBSERVATION IS THERE'S THERE'S A VARIETY OF HEIGHTS. THERE'S SEAWALLS THAT HAVE GOT RIPRAP IN FRONT SEAWALL. SOME SEAWALLS ARE JUST RIPRAP. SO YOU JUST MAY WANT TO ROLL INTO YOUR DISCUSSION AND REVIEW THE POSSIBILITY OF ADDING MORE MANGROVES. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A FABULOUS THING FOR FOR THE BAY. AND THANK YOU. I BELIEVE THAT THAT SHOULD YOU SHOULD ALSO DISCUSS THAT AT YOUR COMMITTEE. I THINK IT'S TIME FOR A TOWN HALL TO DISCUSS THE MOORINGS BAY, BUT WE'LL TALK TO CITY MANAGER AND MOVE FORWARD ON THAT. OKAY. GREAT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM SIX A. PUBLIC COMMENT. OH, SORRY. 
          [5) PUBLIC COMMENTS ]
THANK YOU. I HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT ITEM FIVE. MR. BLANKENSHIP. DO I HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, I GAVE YOU ONE, MR. GOWER, FOR SIX. SEE, I THINK THAT'S CONTINUED. YEAH, SIX. SEE? MADAM MAYOR, THAT'S ONE MORE HAVING ANOTHER MEETING. SO IF THEY WANTED TO DISCUSS IT, IF SOMEONE WAS GOING TO SPEAK ON SIX C, THEY WOULD HAVE TO COME UNDER OTHER COMMENTS BECAUSE WE'RE FIVE TODAY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. BLANKENSHIP. GOOD MORNING EVERYBODY. MY NAME IS TED BLANKENSHIP AND I AM A RESIDENT OF THE CITY OF NAPLES. IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU ALL IN THIS BEAUTIFUL MORNING. AND IT IS A TERRIFIC MORNING, ALMOST FALL IN NAPLES. AND IT'S INTERESTING HEARING THE DISCUSSION THIS MORNING, HOW MUCH PEOPLE CARE ABOUT NAPLES. AND WE WANT TO PROTECT IT AND PROTECT THE CHARM AND THE CHARACTER OF OUR BEAUTIFUL CITY. SO I WAS REALLY CONCERNED WHEN I READ THE ARTICLE IN THE PAPER ON FRIDAY ABOUT ANOTHER THREAT TO OUR CITY. THE PROPOSAL FOR TWO MORE 12 STORY BUILDINGS JUST OUTSIDE OUR CITY LIMITS, ALMOST NEXT DOOR TO THE OTHER TALL BUILDINGS THAT ARE BEING BUILT. SO WE MAY BE SURROUNDED BY A LINE OF SKYSCRAPERS ACROSS OUR CITY SKYLINE AND JUST OUTSIDE THE CITY, AND BRINGING WITH IT TRAFFIC AND POLLUTION AND OTHER ISSUES. SO I'D LIKE TO ASK YOU, URGE YOU TO TALK TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROPOSAL AND ASK THEM TO REJECT IT OR MODIFY IT SO THAT AS MUCH LESS IMPACTFUL ON OUR CITY, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S EARLY DAYS, SO HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET INVOLVED AND INTERVENE IN THIS EARLIER AND MORE BROADLY. PERHAPS AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ADEQUATE MEASURES TO COLLABORATE WITH THE COUNTY ON SO MANY OF OUR ISSUES THAT WE SHARE JOINTLY AND THE THINGS THAT THEY ARE CONSIDERING IN THE ADJACENT AREAS TO OUR CITY LIMITS THAT AFFECT OUR WATER, OUR POLLUTION, OUR TRAFFIC, AND SO MUCH OF OUR THE QUALITY OF LIFE IN OUR CITY. AND COLLABORATE WITH THE COUNTY ON HOW WE CAN DO THINGS BETTER. 
          I BELIEVE THAT WHAT'S GOOD FOR THE CITY IS GOOD FOR THE COUNTY, SO WE MAY NEED TO HELP CONVINCE THEM OF THAT, PARTICULARLY IN WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE BAYSHORE REDEVELOPMENT AREA, WHICH IS JUST OUTSIDE THE CITY. AND WE SHOULD BE A BIG PARTY TO THAT REDEVELOPMENT PLAN AND HAVE INFLUENCE OVER WHAT'S HAPPENING THERE, SO WE CAN MAKE IT BETTER FOR EVERYBODY IN THE CITY AND THE COUNTY. THANK YOU. HAVE A GREAT DAY. COUNCIL MEMBER. I MEAN, MR. BLANKENSHIP, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THE PROJECT YOU'RE MENTIONING BECAUSE IT'S TOMORROW, THERE'S A PROJECT THAT'S, I THINK, 200 UNITS FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT THAT'S ON GOLDEN GATE PARKWAY. BUT YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE ONE I'M SPECIFICALLY REFERRING TO IS JUST IN THE PAPER ON FRIDAY. AND THAT WAS THE FIRST I HAD HEARD ABOUT IT. 
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YOU MAY HAVE HEARD ABOUT IT PREVIOUSLY. IT'S 212 STORY BUILDINGS THAT ARE THREE PARCELS THAT ARE BEING PUT TOGETHER. ONE OF THEM IS THE OLD OAKS FARMS THAT WAS APPARENTLY DAMAGED HEAVILY IN HURRICANE IAN AND HASN'T BEEN REBUILT YET. SO SOMEONE HAS BOUGHT THAT PROPERTY, APPARENTLY, AND TWO ADJACENT PROPERTIES, AND IS PREPARING TO BUILD SOMETHING MUCH MORE MASSIVE AND INTENSIVE AND SCALE. SO WHEN YOU WERE ON COUNCIL, WE HAD THAT SAME CONVERSATION THAT FROM THE TRIANGLE DAVIS TO AIRPORT HAD PLANS TO BE DEVELOPED JUST AS MASSIVE AS YOU'RE SPEAKING ABOUT. SO IT'S COMING TRUE. YES. AND THEN THE PROJECT ON AT THE TRIANGLE GOING TOWARDS BAYSHORE IS THE SAME, WHICH WE ALREADY WE SEE THIS HOTEL OF 200 UNITS RIGHT THERE IN FRONT OF A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. SO I APPRECIATE YOU PAYING ATTENTION AND CONTINUING TO BRING IT TO OUR ATTENTION SO THAT WE SPEAK TO THE COUNTY. AND I ASSURE YOU, IT'S STILL IN THE COMP PLAN FOR INTER-GOVERNMENTAL AFFAIRS. AND WITH MR. YOUNG AT THE HELM, EVEN THOUGH WE HAD TO PRIORITIZE, WE'LL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT AND EVEN UNDERSTANDING THE DEVELOPMENT AND HOW THE IMPACTS ON OUR WATER AND INFRASTRUCTURE OUTSIDE OF THE CITY. SO THANK YOU. AWESOME. I THINK THEY'RE IN OUR WATER DISTRICT. YES. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT I HAVE PAUL GOWER. THANK YOU. MORNING, MADAM MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I PREPARED A STATEMENT. COULD YOU JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD? OH, PAUL GOWER, I RESIDE AT 4500 BOTANICAL PLACE CIRCLE, ZIP CODE 34112. I PREPARED A STATEMENT WITH REGARDS TO A RECENT EMAIL THAT WAS SENT OUT TO EMPTY BOWLS NAPLES FROM LIEUTENANT O'REILLY. I'LL READ THE STATEMENT. SINCE RETIRING TO NAPLES IN 2018, I'VE DEVOTED MY EFFORTS AND ENERGIES TO CREATING MY ART AND ACTIVELY VOLUNTEERING. I AM CURRENTLY ENTERING MY THIRD YEAR AS A VOLUNTEER WITH EMPTY BOWLS, NAPLES INCORPORATED EMPTY BOWLS, A NONPROFIT HELPING FEED THE HUNGRY ONE BOWL AT A TIME. ALMOST EIGHT YEARS OF VOLUNTEERING, WHICH INCLUDES SOME OF THE OTHER ORGANIZATIONS IMPACTED BY THIS DEVELOPMENT. FROM THIS EMAIL IN CAMBIER PARK AND SECURITY. AND AS AN EXHIBITING ARTIST AT NUMEROUS EVENTS IN NAPLES AND IN AND AROUND CAMBIER PARK OFFERS ME A PARTICULAR PERSPECTIVE. THE SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2025 EMAIL, LIEUTENANT MICHAEL O'REILLY WAS SHARED WITH ME IMMEDIATELY. THE WHO'S WISE, WHAT'S WHERE'S AND HOW'S, AND WHEN'S BEGAN TO SURFACE WITH NO ANSWERS. WHAT STRIKES YOU FIRST IS THE UNEXPECTED AND IMMENSE AND UNKNOWN FINANCIAL BURDENS TO THE ORGANIZATIONS THEN SPECIFIC TO US. WHAT ARE THE LOGISTICAL NIGHTMARES? AND THEN AND SO MUCH MORE. ALL OF THIS IS TO BE SHOULDERED BY EACH INDIVIDUAL ORGANIZATION. EMPTY BOWLS NAPLES ANNUAL FUNDRAISER IS JUST ONE OF 186 EVENTS PRESENTLY SCHEDULED IN THE CITY OF NAPLES, 70 OF SIX, 76 OF WHICH ARE IN CAMBIER PARK. THE POSITIVE ECONOMIC IMPACT OF THESE EVENTS CAN BE NOTHING SHORT OF ASTONISHING. SO WHAT WOULD BE THE PRESENT, LET ALONE THE FUTURE, FOR EMPTY BOWLS? NAPLES IN CAMBIER PARK BE NAPLES VOTED NUMBER ONE CITY TO LIVE IN IN THE NATION US NEWS AND WORLD REPORT 2024. ONLY A YEAR AGO AND NOW, FOLLOWING AN ASSESSMENT BY DEPARTMENT OF HOMELAND SECURITY, CAN BE A PARK NAMED ONE OF THE WORST FOR SAFETY IN ALL OF THE US. NAPLES HAS NOW BEEN PRESENTED WITH REAL WORLD ISSUES, EMPTY BOWLS AND THE OTHER GROUPS, SADLY AND PAINFULLY, MUST ADAPT. SO MANY UNKNOWN QUESTIONS, BUT ALSO NO ANSWERS. WITH EMPTY BOWLS CELEBRATING ITS 20TH YEAR, WE MUST NOW SORT OUT HOW TO PROCEED. THE NEGATIVE FINANCIAL IMPACT ON DOWNTOWN NAPLES WILL BE DIFFICULT TO COMPREHEND. SHOULD THESE ORGANIZATIONS ORGANIZATIONS BE FORCED OUT OF CAMBIER PARK, THE LOSS OF REVENUES WOULD LEND MORE CREDENCE TO RUMORS OF FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH MERCHANTS SEEKING TAX SUBSIDIES OR BAILOUTS. THESE DEVELOPMENTS IN THE PROCESS IS STILL WARRANT A DEEPER REVIEW AND CLARIFICATION OF THE IMPLEMENTATION. HOWEVER, GOING FORWARD, IT WOULD BE MY HOPE THAT CONSIDERATION WILL BE GIVEN TO EVENT ORGANIZERS IN SOME FORM OF FORM OF FINANCIAL ASSISTANCE, SUCH AS GRANTS OR EMERGENCY FUNDS, TO ENSURE THE FUTURE OF THE VIABLE PUBLIC ASSET THAT CAMBIER PARK IS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I WILL 
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FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON THAT. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU MUCH. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. I GAVE A COPY TO THE RECORDER. PERFECT. NO FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENTS. OKAY. WE'LL MOVE TO 
          [6.A) Discussion of Resilience Strategy - the Business Case for Resilience.]
ITEM. SIX A. HI. HELLO. NATALIE HARTMAN, NATURAL RESOURCES MANAGER. AS PART OF THE CITY'S RESILIENCE INITIATIVE, WE WERE TASKED WITH PERFORMING A BUSINESS CASE FOR RESILIENCE. 
          WE PROVIDED TWO STUDIES LAST YEAR, I MEAN, LAST MONTH. AND SO THIS IS A CONTINUATION OF THAT EFFORT. AND HERE'S ANNIE DEBOER WITH AECOM TO DO THE PRESENTATION. AND WE DO HAVE RANDY DESHAZO WITH THE SOUTH FLORIDA REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL ONLINE. IF ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT MODELING COMES UP. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. AS NATALIE MENTIONED, I'M ANNIE DEBOER. I WORK FOR AECOM AND WORKED ON THIS PROJECT VERY CLOSELY WITH THE CITY, AS WELL AS WITH ERICA HARRIS FROM OUR TEAM WHO PRESENTED LAST MONTH, AND RANDY DESHAZO FROM THE SOUTH FLORIDA REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL, WHO IS ONLINE. HOW DO I PROGRESS THIS SLIDE? OH, YOU CAN DO IT. YOU GO TO THE OTHER OH OVER THERE. YEAH. OKAY. GREAT. SO TODAY I'M GOING TO GO OVER SOME BACKGROUND ON THE PROJECT. AND THEN THE FINDINGS AND METHODOLOGIES WE DID FOR UNDERSTANDING THE COSTS OF INACTION. AND THEN WE ALSO RAN SOME BENEFIT COST ANALYSIS FOR DIFFERENT ADAPTATION STRATEGIES THAT WE'LL GO OVER THE REGIONAL ECONOMIC IMPACTS. LOOKING AT THE COLLIER COUNTY IMPACTS, OTHER CONSIDERATIONS THAT WERE NOT MODELED. AND THEN WE JUST HAVE SOME HIGHLIGHTS OF THE BROCHURE WE DEVELOPED. SO WE DEVELOPED A FEW DIFFERENT DELIVERABLES, INCLUDING A BROCHURE AS WELL AS AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY AND A TECH REPORT. AND THEN IF WE HAVE TIME WE CAN GO FOR QUESTIONS. SO JUST A BIT ON THE PROJECT BACKGROUND, THIS IS TO GET US CONTEXTUALIZED FOR THE ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES. AND THEN SOME BACKGROUND ON THE BUSINESS CASE STUDY SPECIFICALLY. IT WAS ACTUALLY REALLY WONDERFUL TO HEAR FROM EVERYONE THIS MORNING OF JUST HOW IMPORTANT, YOU KNOW, THE PARKS AND BEACH ACCESS AND THE RESILIENCE OF THE CITY ARE. 
          THERE'S 20,000 FULL TIME RESIDENTS. THAT POPULATION HAS GROWN SINCE 2020. AS WE ALL KNOW, THERE'S A NUMBER OF SEASONAL VISITORS AND SECOND HOMEOWNERS. THE MAJORITY OF THE CITY'S BUILDINGS ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THAT'S OVER 60% ARE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. THE TOTAL MARKET VALUE OF THE PROPERTIES IN THE CITY IS OVER $50 BILLION. IN THE FISCAL YEAR 2023 TO 2024, CITY GOVERNMENTAL FUND TAX REVENUE SOURCES INCLUDED NEARLY $40 MILLION IN PROPERTY TAX REVENUE, OVER 3 MILLION IN SALES AND USE TAXES. SO REALLY, CONSIDERING THE POTENTIAL FOR DAMAGE TO PROPERTY CAN HAVE SIGNIFICANT FISCAL IMPACT, THE REGION IS ONE OF THE MORE DIVERSE REGIONS IN FLORIDA. THERE IS A. BROADER THE NAPLES-MARCO ISLAND METROPOLITAN STATISTICAL AREA RANKS SECOND STATEWIDE ON THE FLORIDA GULF COAST. 
          UNIVERSITY'S INDUSTRY DIVERSIFICATION INDEX, SO THAT HELPS TO INCREASE RESILIENCE TO HAVE THAT DIVERSE ECONOMY. WE LOOKED AT PROPRIETARY SOURCE CALLED ESRI BUSINESS ANALYST DATA, LOOKING AT THE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES IN THE CITY. THIS IS ROUNDED, BUT THERE'S NEARLY 4000 BUSINESSES EMPLOYING AROUND 40,000 EMPLOYEES. THE KEY SECTORS ARE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, RETAIL TRADE AND HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES. THOSE ACCOUNT FOR ABOUT 40% OF ALL BUSINESSES. SO NATALIE AND ERICA AND OTHERS HAVE WORKED OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS LOOKING AT THE VULNERABILITY OF THE OF THE CITY, LOOKING AT THE CRITICAL ASSETS AND FACILITIES VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT THAT WAS COMPLETED IN 2024, AND THEN THE ADAPTATION PLAN, WHICH IS REALLY JUST A REALLY IMPORTANT REPORT ON HOW TO ADAPT AND INCORPORATE RESILIENCE THAT ERICA PRESENTED LAST MONTH IN SEPTEMBER. AND TOGETHER, THESE HELP TO IDENTIFY THE TIMING AND EXPOSURE OF THE CITY TO FLOOD HAZARDS AND TO PRIORITIZE INTERVENTIONS. AND THE ADAPTATION PLAN SPECIFICALLY CALLED FOR A BUSINESS CASE FOR RESILIENCE, WHICH IS WHAT WE'RE 
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DISCUSSING TODAY. IT'S A DESKTOP EXERCISE, HIGH LEVEL EVALUATION OF THE ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES OF INACTION, AS WELL AS THE POTENTIAL COSTS AND BENEFITS FROM ADAPTATION TO CONDUCT THE BUSINESS CASE ANALYSIS. IT SORT OF FOLLOWS THESE THESE KEY STEPS. SO FIRST WE DO DATA COLLECTION COLLECTING GEOSPATIAL AND ECONOMIC DATA. WE LOOK AT THE COST OF INACTION. SO WHAT THE ECONOMIC AND FISCAL CONSEQUENCES ARE OF NOT TAKING ACTION. AND THEN WE SELECTED AND DEFINED SOME ADAPTATION STRATEGIES FOR EVALUATION. AND THEN CONDUCTED THE FINAL BUSINESS CASE FOR EVERYTHING. WE LOOKED AT BOTH THE CONSEQUENCES DIRECTLY TO THE CITY OF NAPLES. AND WE WORKED WITH RANDY TO CONDUCT MODELING THROUGH A MODEL CALLED REMY, WHICH ALLOWS YOU TO LOOK AT THE BROADER REGIONAL IMPACTS TO COLLIER COUNTY. SO FIRST, I'LL GO OVER JUST THE COST OF INACTION RESULTS. IMPORTANTLY, WE LOOKED AT A VARIETY OF MODELED HAZARDS, AND THESE RELATE TO THE HAZARDS THAT WERE EVALUATED IN THE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT. SO THESE INCLUDED EXISTING CONDITIONS 2040 AND 2070 CONDITIONS AT TWO SEA LEVEL RISE CURVES, THE NOAA 2017 INTERMEDIATE LOW, AND THE NOAA 2017 INTERMEDIATE HIGH. AND WE LOOKED AT THREE DIFFERENT CONDITIONS UNDER THESE TIME FRAMES AND FUTURE SEA LEVEL RISE SCENARIOS. SO THAT INCLUDED A 100 YEAR COASTAL STORM, WHICH IS A STORM EVENT WITH A 1% ANNUAL CHANCE OF OCCURRING IN A GIVEN YEAR. 
          WE LOOKED AT A COMPOUND FLOODING EVENT. FOR THIS, WE LOOKED AT A 25 YEAR, 30 DAY RAINFALL EVENT COMBINED WITH DAILY HIGH TIDE, AND WE LOOKED AT DAILY HIGH TIDE, WHICH WAS THE MEAN HIGHER HIGH WATER OR AVERAGE WATER ELEVATION OF THE HIGHEST DAILY TIDES. TO CONDUCT THE ANALYSIS FOR THE DIRECT ECONOMIC CONSEQUENCES OR THE DIRECT CONSEQUENCES TO THE CITY OF NAPLES, THERE'S TWO REALLY IMPORTANT BUCKETS OF THE METHODOLOGIES THAT WE USED. THE LEFT SIDE TALKS ABOUT HOW WE DID COASTAL STORM AND COMPOUND FLOODING EVENTS, AND THE RIGHT SIDE TALKS ABOUT HOW WE DID THE DAILY HIGH TIDE EVENTS OR IMPACTS. SO COASTAL STORM AND COMPOUND FLOODING. WE TEND TO VIEW THESE AS TEMPORARY IMPACTS. SO IF THERE'S A MAJOR STORM THAT COMES IN THAT REQUIRES REPAIR, IT MAY REQUIRE THE OCCUPANT TO TEMPORARILY RELOCATE. AND THOSE ARE ARE STRUCTURE DAMAGES THAT REQUIRE IMMEDIATE REPAIR AND AND ATTENTION. WHEREAS IF A PROPERTY IS BEING PERMANENTLY IMPACTED BY DAILY HIGH TIDE, WE TEND TO SEE THAT AS A MORE LONG TERM LOSS. THAT COULD MEAN SOMETHING LIKE THE LOSS OF THE MARKET VALUE, OR IT COULD EVEN MEAN JUST YOU'D HAVE TO TEAR DOWN THAT STRUCTURE AND REBUILD IT ANEW SO THAT IT CAN HANDLE THE THE HAZARD. SO TO DO THE ANALYSIS, WE INCORPORATED SOME TRIGGER THRESHOLDS. BASICALLY WE SAID OKAY, ONLY QUANTIFY THE STORM IMPACTS. IF OVER A QUARTER OF THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT IS EXPOSED TO THE STORM OR COMPOUND FLOODING CONDITIONS. AND THEN ALSO WE SAID IF OVER A QUARTER OF THE FOOTPRINT IS EXPOSED TO DAILY HIGH TIDE, TAKE THAT OUT OF THE STORM EVENT CONDITIONS AND ACTUALLY TREAT THAT AS A MORE PERMANENT IMPACT THAT COULD RELATE TO THAT MARKET VALUE. OR BUILDING REPLACEMENT VALUE. 
          THIS FLOW JUST HIGHLIGHTS HOW WE CONDUCTED THE COST OF AN ACTION. SO WE TAKE THOSE MODELED HAZARDS FROM THE THREE TIME HORIZONS EXISTING 2040 AND 2070. AS I MENTIONED, THOSE ARE FROM THE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT. WE DO AN EXPOSURE ANALYSIS SEEING WHAT BUILDINGS ARE AT RISK. AND THEN WE ASSIGN THESE MONETARY VALUES. SO WE NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE STRUCTURE VALUE IS, WHAT THE MARKET VALUE IS, WHAT BUSINESSES ARE THERE. AND REALLY START TO UNDERSTAND THE MONETIZATION OF THE ASSETS. AND THEN THAT VULNERABILITY IS THE DEPTH OF FLOODING AT THE BUILDINGS. AND WE RELATE THAT DEPTH OF FLOODING TO A DAMAGE ASSESSMENT. AND THAT IS DONE THROUGH WHAT'S CALLED DEPTH DAMAGE FUNCTIONS. AND THEN WE CONSOLIDATE ALL OF THAT TOGETHER AND WE MONETIZE THE IMPACTS FOR THE DAMAGES, LOOKING AT DIRECT PROPERTY LOSS. 
          SO THAT CAN THINK OF THINGS LIKE STRUCTURE AND CONTENT LOSSES. WE LOOK AT DISPLACEMENT IMPACTS. SO IF RESIDENTS NEED TO BE TEMPORARILY RELOCATED WE LOOK AT FISCAL IMPACTS. SO SALES TAXES AND TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAX AND THEN BUSINESS AND EMPLOYMENT IMPACTS. 
          AND AT THE BOTTOM HERE, JUST A NUMBER OF THE DATA SOURCES THAT WE USED, WE NEEDED TO COLLECT DATA FROM A VARIETY OF SOURCES TO UNDERSTAND ALL OF THESE BUCKETS, INCLUDING THE MONETIZATION AS WELL AS THE VULNERABILITY. SO THAT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE PROPERTY APPRAISER DATA, MICROSOFT BUILDING FOOTPRINT INFORMATION. RS MEANS IS A PROPRIETARY COSTING DATABASE, AND THEN A NUMBER OF OTHER SOURCES TO COMPLETE, ALL OF WHICH ARE LAID OUT IN THE TECH REPORT. SOME IMPORTANT CONCEPTS BEFORE WE GO INTO RESULTS. AS YOU ALL KNOW, BUILDING CODES ARE KEY TO FLOODPLAIN MANAGEMENT IN THE CITY. THE CITY JOINED THE NATIONAL FLOOD INSURANCE PROGRAM IN THE 19 EARLY 1970S, WHICH HAS SPECIFIC BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS WITHIN THE DESIGNATED SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA. WITHIN THE SPECIAL FLOOD 
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HAZARD AREA, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS FOR HOW MUCH ELEVATION BUILDING SHOULD HAVE. 
          BASE FLOOD ELEVATION IS THE BARE MINIMUM, BUT MORE RECENTLY, NAPLES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA REQUIRED STRUCTURES TO BE BUILT TO ONE FOOT ABOVE THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION. SO THAT'S REFERRED TO AS THE DESIGN FLOOD ELEVATION. AND JUST WANTED TO FLAG THAT BECAUSE THIS IS A DESKTOP EXERCISE, WE WERE RELYING ON AVAILABLE DATA AND THERE IS NOT A FULL DIGITIZED MAP OF FIRST FLOOR ELEVATION DATA FOR THE CITY. SO THAT WAS ONE GAP THAT WE NEEDED TO FILL WITH JUST SOME ASSUMPTION BUILDING, SO AS TO ACCOUNT FOR THE FACT THAT NEWER CONSTRUCTION IN THE CITY ALREADY HAS SOME LEVEL OF FREEBOARD AND DESIGN FLOOD ELEVATION. THIS IS JUST A SPOTLIGHT ON THE DIRECT PROPERTY IMPACTS. THE KEY INPUTS INCLUDED LOOKING AT PARCEL DATA, BUILDING FOOTPRINTS, PROPERTY APPRAISER DATA. AS I MENTIONED, WE LOOKED AT THE FLOOD DEPTHS FROM THE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT MODELS FOR THE TWO INTERMEDIATE LOW AND INTERMEDIATE HIGH SEA LEVEL RISE SCENARIOS. WE BROUGHT IN BUILDING REPLACEMENT VALUES. SO BASICALLY WHAT THE COST IS TO CONSTRUCT THESE STRUCTURES USING THAT AS MEANS OF PROPRIETARY DATA SOURCE ON COSTING FIRST FLOOR ELEVATIONS. 
          AS I MENTIONED, WE DEVELOPED ASSUMPTIONS FOR THAT. AND THOSE REALLY RELATED TO THE EFFECTIVE YEAR OF CONSTRUCTION, ASSUMING THAT IF IT HAD A MORE RECENT CONSTRUCTION YEAR, IT DID INCORPORATE SOME AMOUNT OF FREEBOARD AND THEN DEPTH DAMAGE FUNCTIONS, WHICH ARE ALLOWING US TO TAKE THOSE FLOOD DEPTHS AND ASSOCIATE THEM WITH A DAMAGE AT THE BOTTOM HERE, YOU'LL JUST SEE SOME OF THE INITIAL DIRECT PROPERTY IMPACTS FOR BOTH THE COASTAL STORM, WHICH AGAIN WAS A 100 YEAR COASTAL STORM, AND THE COMPOUND FLOODING EVENT, WHICH IS A 25 YEAR, THREE DAY RAINFALL EVENT COMBINED WITH DAILY HIGH TIDE. AND I'LL JUST SHOW HERE THAT THE SUMMARY OF THE IMPACTS. THE COLUMN ON THE LEFT IS THE 2040 IMPACTS. THE COLUMN ON THE RIGHT IS THE 2070 IMPACTS FOR COASTAL STORM IN 2040. FOR DIRECT PROPERTY IMPACTS, WE'RE LOOKING AT $320 MILLION PER EVENT. BY THE TIME IT GETS TO 2070. WE'RE LOOKING AT $11 BILLION IN STRUCTURE AND CONTENT DAMAGES FROM A COASTAL STORM EVENT. COMPOUND FLOODING. 
          WHAT'S INTERESTING HERE IS THE DEPTHS ACTUALLY DON'T CHANGE SIGNIFICANTLY BETWEEN 2040 AND 2070. THE EXTENT DOES CHANGE SOMEWHAT, BUT THE EXTENT DIDN'T CHANGE ENOUGH TO HAVE A MEANINGFUL IMPACT ON THE IMPACTS. SO THE COST OF THE EVENT ACTUALLY IS ABOUT THE SAME. IT'S ROUNDED HERE, BUT ABOUT THE SAME BETWEEN 2040 AND 2070, $150 MILLION PER EVENT FOR COMPOUND FLOODING, EVENT FOR DIRECT PROPERTY IMPACTS IN 2040 AND 2070. WE ALSO LOOKED, AS I MENTIONED, AT BUSINESS IMPACTS. SO COASTAL STORM IN 2040, WE SAW $600,000 IN SALES IMPACTS, AND IN 2070 THAT WENT UP TO 160 MILLION IN SALES IMPACTS. AND THEN THOSE FISCAL IMPACTS LOOKING AT SALES AND TOURIST DEVELOPMENT TAXES, 60,000 IN 2040 FOR COASTAL STORM AND 3,000,000 IN 2070. WE KNOW THAT YOU ALL HAVE A VALUE CAPTURE TAX AND TAX INCREMENT FINANCING DISTRICT. SO THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY IS A DEPENDENT SPECIAL DISTRICT DEVELOPED IN 1994. WE DIDN'T HAVE THE EXACT REVENUE FOR EACH OF THE PROPERTIES, SO WE WEREN'T ABLE TO MONETIZE THE FISCAL IMPACTS OF THIS, BUT WE DID WANT TO JUST COUNT AND SHOW THE NUMBER OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE IMPACTED BY THE EVENTS. SO RESIDENTIAL IS PRIMARILY THE LAND USE IMPACTED IN 2040 UNDER COASTAL STORM, BETWEEN 25 AND 55 RESIDENTIAL HOMES IN THE CRA ARE IMPACTED. AND I'LL JUST NOTE THAT THE RANGE HERE IS SHOWING THE LOW THE HIGH END OF THE NOAA INTERMEDIATE HIGH SCENARIO. AND THE REASON THE NUMBER GOES DOWN IN 2070 IS BECAUSE SOME OF THOSE PROPERTIES START TO BE IMPACTED BY DAILY HIGH TIDES, SO THEY GET TAKEN OUT OF THE STORM DAMAGE ANALYSIS. AND THEN GOING INTO THE DAILY HIGH TIDE, AS I MENTIONED, WHEN A PROPERTY WAS IMPACTED BY 25% OR MORE OF THEIR FOOTPRINT BEING EXPOSED TO DAILY HIGH TIDE, WE CONSIDERED THAT MORE OF A LONGER TERM IMPACT, SOMETHING THAT EITHER MAYBE REQUIRE THE FULL, COMPLETE REPLACEMENT OF THE BUILDING OR THE LOSS IN THE MARKET VALUE. SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE RAN THIS BOTH WAYS, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD SHOW A RANGE. SO FOR THE FULL BUILDING REPLACEMENT VALUE, THE RESULTS ARE IN THAT MIDDLE COLUMN BELOW SHOWING ON THE LOW END 70 MILLION IN BUILDING REPLACEMENT IN THE HIGH END 750 MILLION. AND FOR THE MARKET VALUE APPROACH ON THE LOW END, WE HAD ABOUT 265 MILLION TO 3 BILLION IN MARKET VALUE EXPOSED, WHEREBY OVER 25% OF THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT IS EXPOSED TO DAILY TIDAL INUNDATION. IF YOU TAKE THAT MARKET VALUE APPROACH AND SAY, OKAY, WHAT'S THE FISCAL IMPACT? WHAT ARE THE PROPERTY TAXES ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE BUILDINGS BEING HIT BY DAILY HIGH TIDE? THAT AMOUNTS TO BETWEEN 70 MILLION AND 580 MILLION OVER THAT 2020 TO 2070 PERIOD. SO WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT THIS? WE DID LOOK AT ADAPTATION TO TRY AND UNDERSTAND WHAT ARE 
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THE BENEFITS AND COSTS OF ADAPTATION SO THAT IT'S NOT ALL DIRE. THE CITY JOINED, AS I MENTIONED, THE NFIP, THE CLASS FIVE COMMUNITY RATING SYSTEM CLASSIFICATION. THERE IS ALREADY A REQUIREMENT FOR BUILDING ONE FOOT OF FREEBOARD ABOVE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION FOR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREAS. BUT WHAT WAS INTERESTING WAS IN TALKING TO NATALIE AND OTHERS AT THE CITY, WE HEARD THAT RESIDENTS ARE ACTUALLY INTERESTED IN EXCEEDING THE CODE REQUIREMENTS, ADDING MORE FREEBOARD, BUT THEIR CONCERN IS JUST THE LOSS OF POTENTIAL MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT IN SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL ZONES. 
          SO THAT INFORMED US TRYING TO RUN SOME OF THE ADAPTATION SCENARIOS, WHICH I'LL GET INTO IN A SECOND. AND THEN WE'VE TALKED A LOT TODAY ABOUT SEAWALL HEIGHTENING. THE CITY HAS 40 PLUS MILES OF SEAWALLS. MOST ARE PRIVATELY OWNED, BUT LESS THAN 10% HAVE BEEN RAISED TO MEET THE ALLOWABLE ELEVATION MAXIMUM OF 4.8FT. SO WE LOOKED AT THREE ADAPTATION STRATEGIES FOR THE BUSINESS CASE ANALYSIS TWO ARE BUILDING LEVEL, ONE IS COMMUNITY LEVEL. THE TWO BUILDING LEVEL REALLY LOOKED AT RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS VERSUS COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS. FOR RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS. WE SAID, WHAT IF YOU TAKE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, NEWLY CONSTRUCTED IN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA, AND INSTEAD OF ADDING ONE FOOT OF ADDITIONAL FREEBOARD, YOU ADD TWO FEET. SO IT WOULD BE THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATION PLUS TWO FEET OF FREEBOARD. THEN WE ALSO SAID, WHAT IF YOU INTRODUCE FLOOD PROOFING TO COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS OUTSIDE THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA? SO COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS CURRENTLY ARE ONLY REGULATED IN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA. WE WANTED TO SAY, WHAT ARE THE COSTS AND BENEFITS OF INTRODUCING FLOOD PROOFING OUTSIDE OF THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA? AND THEN LASTLY, WE LOOKED AT THE BENEFITS AND COSTS OF ELEVATING THE BAYFRONT SEAWALLS THAT CURRENTLY OVERTOPPED THAT WOULD PROTECT DAMAGES TO THE PROPERTIES THAT WE WERE EVALUATING AS BEING IMPACTED. SO TO APPROACH THE BUSINESS CASE ANALYSIS, WE ESTABLISHED PROTOTYPE STRUCTURES FOR THE BUILDING LEVEL STRATEGIES, AND WE IDENTIFIED WHICH SEAWALLS WOULD REQUIRE ELEVATION TO PROTECT THE HOMES THAT WE SAID WERE VULNERABLE. WE ESTIMATED THE COST OF IMPLEMENTING THE STRATEGY. AND THEN THE BENEFITS ARE REALLY THOSE AVOIDED COSTS FROM IMPLEMENTING THE STRATEGY. AND WE CAN COMPARE THOSE TO DETERMINE THE BENEFIT COST RATIO. BENEFIT COST RATIO OVER ONE MEANS THAT BENEFITS OUTWEIGH COSTS. SO BENEFIT COST RATIO OF TWO MEANS TWO TIMES THE BENEFITS RELATIVE TO THE COSTS. AND THEN WE WORKED WITH RANDY TO ESTIMATE THE REGIONAL ECONOMIC IMPACTS FROM THE CONSTRUCTION USING REMI MODELING. SO I'LL GO THROUGH EACH OF THOSE THREE ADAPTATION STRATEGIES NOW WITH THE FINDINGS AND BENEFITS THAT WE DEVELOPED. SO FOR BUILDING LEVEL WE DID RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY WITHIN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA. THIS ACTUALLY WAS ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE ADAPTATION PLAN TO LOOK AT THE CITY BUILDING CODE. AND WE SAID, OKAY, WHAT IF YOU COMPARE BUILDING TO PLUS TWO FEET RATHER THAN BUILDING PLUS ONE FOOT FOR NEW RESIDENTIAL CONSTRUCTION IN THE SINGLE IN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA, THE BENEFITS WE EVALUATED WERE THE AVOIDED PROPERTY DAMAGES FROM DOING THAT, AND THE REDUCED ANNUAL FLOOD INSURANCE PREMIUMS FROM DOING THAT. WHAT WE HAD TO DO TO DEVELOP THE ANALYSIS WAS, SAY, WHAT'S A TYPICAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME THAT'S NEWLY CONSTRUCTED IN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA? SO AT THE TOP LEFT ARE ALL THE CHARACTERISTICS WE CAME UP WITH. BASED ON RECENT CONSTRUCTION IN THE SFHA. ON THE BOTTOM LEFT, WE SAID, WHAT'S THE TYPICAL FLOOD DEPTHS IN THIS SFHA? AND THEN ON THE TOP RIGHT WE ALSO SAID, OKAY, AND UNDER CURRENT CODE, WHAT WOULD THEY BUILD TO FOR A FIRST FLOOR ELEVATION? ALL OF THIS GOT US TO THE PLACE THAT UNDER CURRENT CODE, YOU'RE ACTUALLY PROTECTING QUITE A BIT OF THE DAMAGES THAT WE WOULD BE PROJECTING UP UNTIL WE GET TO 2070, AT WHICH POINT THE DEPTHS BECOME VERY SIGNIFICANT. AND SO THERE ARE ACTUAL BENEFITS TO ADDING FREEBOARD ONCE YOU GET TO THOSE LATER YEARS. SO WHAT WE FOUND WAS THERE'S NO FLOODING UNTIL 2070 MODELED CONDITIONS UNDER CURRENT CONSTRUCTION OF ONE FOOT OF FREEBOARD. BUT WE ALSO FOUND THAT THE COST OF ADDING A FOOT OF ADDITIONAL FREEBOARD ARE REALLY QUITE MINIMAL BECAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY BUILDING TO SOME FREEBOARD, SO ADDING AN ADDITIONAL FOOT OF FREEBOARD REALLY ONLY HAS A COST PREMIUM OF 0.5%, SO IT'S NOT SIGNIFICANT TO ADD THE EXTRA FOOT BEYOND WHAT'S CURRENTLY REQUIRED. SO WHAT WE FOUND, WHICH WAS VERY INTERESTING, IS UNDER CURRENT CONDITIONS, IF YOU WERE TO BUILD WITH AN ADDITIONAL FOOT OF FREEBOARD, THEIR BENEFITS DID NOT OUTWEIGH THE COST. HOWEVER, IF YOU STARTED TO DO THIS IN ABOUT FIVE YEARS, WE SAID AT 2030, THAT'S WHEN BENEFITS AND COSTS ARE EQUAL TO EACH OTHER, BECAUSE YOU START TO REALIZE THE BENEFITS INTO THE FUTURE WHEN THERE ARE THOSE HIGHER DEPTHS IN THE 2070 CONDITIONS. SO WHEN WE RAN THIS AT 2030, WE GOT A BENEFIT COST RATIO OF ONE. AND WHEN WE RAN THIS AGAIN AND DOING IT IN 2040, WE GOT A BENEFIT COST RATIO OF 2.9, I.E. THE BENEFITS OUTWEIGHED THE COSTS 2.9 TO 1. THERE'S TWO MORE ADAPTATION STRATEGY FINDINGS I'LL GO THROUGH. SO THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING OUTSIDE 
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THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA, WE LOOKED AT WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF YOU FLOOD PROOFED OUTSIDE THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA. THESE AREAS ARE ZONED X 500, WHICH HAS MODERATE FLOOD RISK, BUT AND ZONED X WHICH HAS MINIMAL FLOOD RISK. BASED ON FEMA DEFINITIONS, FEMA DEFINITIONS ARE BASED ON CURRENT, NOT FUTURE CONDITIONS. SO THAT IS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. BUT WHAT WE DID WAS WE LOOKED AT THE AVOIDED PROPERTY DAMAGES AND THE AVOIDED BUSINESS INTERRUPTION. IF YOU INTRODUCE FLOOD PROOFING TO COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS OUTSIDE THE SFHA, WHAT'S INTERESTING HERE IS AGAIN, WE DID NOT SEE ANY FLOODING UNTIL A FAR OUT YEAR, BUT THAT'S BECAUSE THESE ARE IN LOWER RISK AREAS. BUT THE COST TO DO THE FLOOD PROOFING ARE MUCH HIGHER BECAUSE THERE ARE CURRENTLY NO REQUIREMENTS TO INTRODUCE FLOOD PROOFING. SO THE COST PREMIUM IS NOT JUST A MARGINAL COST, IT'S ACTUALLY INTRODUCING SOMETHING THAT THEY DID NOT HAVE TO DO BEFORE. SO THE BENEFIT COST RATIO FOR ALL SCENARIOS THAT WE MODELED WERE LESS THAN ONE. THE BENEFITS DID NOT OUTWEIGH THE COST TO INTRODUCE THE FLOOD PROOFING OUTSIDE THE SFHA FOR THE COMMERCIAL ADAPTATION. THE THIRD ONE WAS THE COMMUNITY LEVEL ADAPTATION. THIS IS THE SEAWALL HEIGHTENING. THIS IS BEEN TOPIC A LOT OF DISCUSSION RECENTLY. AS I MENTIONED, ONLY ABOUT 6% HAVE BEEN RAISED TO MEET CURRENT MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE ELEVATIONS. THEY. THE LOW SEAWALLS FREQUENTLY OVERTOPPED DURING KING TIDES AND COASTAL STORM EVENTS. TODAY. WHAT WE DID WAS WE SAID, WHAT IF YOU LOOK AT THE BENEFITS TO THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY BEING IMPACTED BY DAILY HIGH TIDES, SO THAT MORE PERMANENT IMPACT. WE TALKED ABOUT WHERE WE LOOKED AT BOTH THE BUILDING REPLACEMENT VALUE AND THE MARKET VALUE, AND WE SAID, WHAT IF YOU'RE NOW PROTECTING THOSE BY HAVING HIGHER SEAWALL? AND IF YOU LOOK UNDER CURRENT SEAWALL ELEVATIONS, 70% OF THE BAYFRONT SEAWALLS ARE VULNERABLE TO OVERTOPPING. UNDER THE NEW SEAWALL ELEVATION, 0% ARE VULNERABLE TO OVERTOPPING DURING A 2040 PLUS 1.1FT OF SEA LEVEL RISE. KING TIDE CONDITION. AND THIS IS JUST SHOWING THAT VISUALLY. SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE SAID, WHAT ARE THE COSTS AND BENEFITS OF ELEVATING THOSE SEAWALLS TO PROTECT THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE BEING PERMANENTLY IMPACTED, THE COST RANGE. SO FOR THE INTERMEDIATE LOW, WE SAID IT'S 10 TO $30 MILLION. AND FOR THE INTERMEDIATE HIGH SCENARIO, WE SAID IT'S 40 TO $115 MILLION. 
          AND THAT'S BASED ON A COST OF RANGE OF 650 TO 2000 PER LINEAR FOOT. AND WE ALSO THEN ACCOUNTED FOR PHASING OVER TIME. SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DO ALL OF THE SEAWALLS RIGHT NOW. WE SAID YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOME NOW AND YOU'RE GOING TO DO SOME LATER. DEPENDING ON HOW VULNERABLE THE AREA IS. AND WHAT WE FOUND WAS THAT THE BENEFIT COST RATIOS WERE BETWEEN 1.8 AND 3, I.E. THE BENEFITS OUTWEIGHED THE COSTS. REGIONAL IMPACTS I JUST HAVE TWO SLIDES ON THIS. THIS WAS WHAT WE WORKED ON WITH RANDY TO DEVELOP UNDERSTANDING OF THE COLLIER COUNTY IMPACTS, BECAUSE EVERYTHING I PRESENTED SO FAR IS STRICTLY TO THE CITY OF NAPLES, AND THIS REALLY ALLOWS YOU TO UNDERSTAND THE CASCADING WAY THAT ECONOMIES WORK TOGETHER. SO BUSINESS CLOSURE IN ONE AREA CAN HAVE AN IMPACT ELSEWHERE, OR REDUCE LOCAL LABOR FORCE, OR CAN REALLY CHANGE THE AMENITY AND ATTRACTIVENESS OF AN AREA. WE MODELED THE DIRECT PROPERTY DAMAGES TO THE CITY OF NAPLES, AND FOUND WHAT THE GROSS REGIONAL PRODUCT IMPLICATIONS WERE TO THE COUNTY, AND THIS IS JUST SHOWING THE RANGE. SO IN 2040, WE SAY THERE'S 25 MILLION TO 50 MILLION IMPACT TO GROSS REGIONAL PRODUCT FROM A COASTAL STORM EVENT OCCURRING IN NAPLES AND IN 2070 1.5 BILLION TO 2 BILLION FROM THOSE PROPERTY DAMAGES FROM A COASTAL STORM OCCURRING IN NAPLES. AND THEN WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE BENEFITS OF THE COMMUNITY LEVEL ADAPTATION. SO THE SEAWALL HEIGHTENING BRINGS A LOT OF CONSTRUCTION AND ACTIVITY TO THE CITY. AND SO THAT HAS A BENEFIT TO THE GROSS REGIONAL PRODUCT. AND I'LL JUST CALL OUT FOR THE NOAA 2070 2017 INTERMEDIATE HIGH SCENARIO. WE SAW A BENEFIT OF ABOUT 50 TO 150 MILLION TO THE COLLIER COUNTY GROSS REGIONAL PRODUCT AS A RESULT OF THAT CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY. LASTLY, THERE ARE MANY OTHER THINGS TO CONSIDER THAT WERE NOT MONETIZED IN OUR ANALYSIS, WHETHER THAT BE DUE TO DATA LIMITATIONS, TIME, RESOURCES, OR METHODOLOGY RESTRICTIONS. THERE ARE MANY AVOIDED PUBLIC HEALTH IMPACTS YOU HAVE FROM REDUCED FLOODING. THERE'S AVOIDED TRANSPORTATION IMPACTS, THERE'S AVOIDED POWER AND COMMUNICATION DISRUPTION, CHANGES IN PROPERTY VALUE CITYWIDE. SO WE REALLY LOOKED AT THE IMPACTS TO PROPERTIES THAT ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED. BUT FROM PERCEIVED RISK, IT'S POSSIBLE TO HAVE CHANGES IN PROPERTY VALUE TO PLACES THAT ARE NOT DIRECTLY IMPACTED. AND THEN THAT POTENTIAL TO HAVE AVOIDED LOSS OF RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES AND INVESTMENT. IF PEOPLE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE REGION IS PROPERLY PROTECTED, THE REDUCED LOSS OF RECREATION AND DAYS AND TOURISM. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP THIS MORNING OF JUST HOW IMPORTANT THE PARKS ARE TO THE CITY, AND THESE EVENTS CAN REALLY CAUSE DISRUPTION TO THAT. IF THERE'S NOT ADEQUATE RESILIENCE AND POTENTIAL CHANGES TO THE MARINE ECONOMY. SO THE BROCHURE JUST HIGHLIGHTS SOME OF THIS INFORMATION IN A MUCH, MUCH MORE CONDENSED WAY THAN THERE'S THE EXECUTIVE SUMMARY WHICH WALKS THROUGH SOME OF THE KEY 
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FINDINGS. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE OUR TECH REPORT WHERE YOU CAN GO TO JUST BETTER UNDERSTAND ALL OF THE METHODOLOGY AND SOME OF THE MORE DETAILED FINDINGS OF THE ANALYSIS. AND WITH THAT, I WILL PAUSE FOR QUESTIONS. THAT WAS A LOT. THANK YOU. I NOW KNOW SOMEONE THAT TALKS FASTER THAN MISS MARTIN, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. LOTS OF QUESTIONS, BUT WHO WOULD LIKE TO START? COUNCILMAN CHRISTMANN? HAPPY TO START. THANK YOU. OBVIOUSLY. YOU ALL HAVE DELIVERED A. REALLY TECHNICALLY EXCELLENT WORK PRODUCT. AND I I'VE SEEN A LOT OF THESE KINDS OF REPORTS, AND THIS IS A VERY GOOD ONE, AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT MUST HAVE GONE INTO IT FROM YOU AND YOUR TEAM AND STAFF. WHO IS OUR AUDIENCE? DO YOU THINK? ARE YOU THINKING WHO WHO ARE YOU THINKING? THE AUDIENCE IS FOR THIS? I'M HAPPY TO SAY SOMETHING, BUT YOU CAN GO FIRST IF YOU WANT. WE'VE DONE THESE BUSINESS CASE ANALYZES IN A NUMBER OF PLACES NOW, AND WHAT WE FOUND IS THAT THEY HELP THE GENERAL PUBLIC UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF ACTION. AND THAT HAS FALLEN BOTH TO RESIDENTS BUT ALSO TO THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. A LOT OF PEOPLE START TO LISTEN WHEN THEY SEE THE DOLLAR SIGNS. AND SO WE'VE SEEN IT REALLY HELP PUBLIC POLICY DECISION MAKING BECAUSE IT'S ALLOWED PEOPLE TO GET BEHIND THE UNDERSTANDING OF WHY WE SHOULD TAKE ACTION. BUT, NATALIE, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER THOUGHTS? WELL PUT. SO YOU'RE SAYING IT'S THE GENERAL PUBLIC AND THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY? HAVE, AND YOU SAY YOU'VE DONE THIS IN A NUMBER OF PLACES. WHAT ARE SOME OF THE OTHER COMMUNITIES OR COUNTIES YOU'VE WORKED IN DEVELOPED SIMILAR PRODUCT FOR? YEAH. SO WE DID THE FOUR COUNTY REGION IN SOUTHEAST FLORIDA WITH THE CLIMATE COMPACT THERE, AND THEN WE DID THE SIX COUNTY REGION IN TAMPA BAY REGION AND THEN ELSEWHERE. WE'VE DONE THEM WITH DIFFERENT ANGLES. SO FOR THE CITY OF PHOENIX, WE WORKED WITH THE NATURE CONSERVANCY TO DO A VERY SIMILAR BUSINESS CASE ANALYSIS, BUT LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT HEAT MITIGATION. 
          AND THEIR WHOLE PURPOSE WAS TO REALLY TRY TO ACTIVATE INTEREST FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY TO TAKE ACTION. AND THEN IN CALIFORNIA AND NEW YORK, WE'VE DONE SIMILAR STUDIES AS WELL. 
          AND I'M ASKING THESE QUESTIONS TO WHETHER TO NATALIE AND KATIE AS WELL AS TO YOU, ANNIE. SO WHOEVER WANTS TO ANSWER CAN ANSWER. HAVE WE BEEN IN IN THE PREPARATION OF THIS? HAVE YOU TALKED TO ANY? BUSINESS COMMUNITY LEADERS HERE IN NAPLES, COLLIER COUNTY, THE NAPLES CHAMBER, THE HOME BUILDERS, THE REALTORS, ANYBODY? HAVE YOU HAD HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS IN UP TILL NOW WITH ANY OF THOSE GROUPS REGARDING THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT? NO, NO. SO, YOU KNOW, MY OBSERVATION IS THAT. THIS IS VERY GOOD AS A BASELINE, BUT IT'S VERY TECHNICAL AND VERY GENERAL IN TERMS OF THE NUMBERS AND AND AS IT RELATES TO IMPACTS AND, YOU KNOW, COST OF INACTION. AND PEOPLE GENERALLY RELATE BETTER TO SPECIFICS THAN THE GENERAL. AND I THINK I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS AT THIS POINT TODAY YOU WANT TO PRESENT, BUT YOU KNOW, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO FIGURE OUT HOW DO YOU COMMUNICATE WITH THOSE GROUPS YOU JUST MENTIONED MOST EFFECTIVELY. AND I KNOW THERE'S SOME MATERIAL IN HERE ABOUT A BROCHURE. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S UNDERWAY OR PROPOSED OR WHATEVER, BUT, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE NEED TO THINK. AND THIS IS NO SLIGHT ON A CALM. 
          YOU HAVE YOUR AREAS OF TECHNICAL EXPERTISE, BUT I THINK WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE NOW IS SOME HELP FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE COMMUNICATIONS EXPERTS ABOUT HOW DO YOU ACTUALLY DELIVER THIS INFORMATION IN THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY. AND I THINK IN TODAY'S WORLD, A PAPER 
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BROCHURE IS ALWAYS NICE TO HAVE. I LIKE IT, BUT I ALSO KNOW I'M OLD SCHOOL IN A LOT OF WAYS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE THE PRESENTATION WE HAD A FEW WEEKS AGO OF THIS RESILIENCY VISION AND PLAN AND NOW THIS, MAYBE THE CITY OF NAPLES NEEDS TO THINK ABOUT CREATING A RESILIENCY WEBSITE, COMPLETELY SEPARATE AND UNIQUE FROM OUR REGULAR WEBSITE, BECAUSE IT'S SUCH AN IMPORTANT PRIORITY FOR US GOING FORWARD. MAYBE THERE ARE THINGS WE NEED TO DO ON SOCIAL MEDIA RELATING TO THIS. WE CERTAINLY NEED TO ENGAGE WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY. I MENTIONED 3 OR 4 OF THE LEADING BUSINESS ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE NEED TO BE TALKING TO ABOUT THIS, BUT THESE ARE ALL ALL THE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT AND DO SO THAT THIS FINE REPORT DOESN'T JUST SIT ON A SHELF AND BE A BUNCH OF NUMBERS THAT, YEAH, YOU KNOW, YEAH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE OLD JOKE ABOUT DOCUMENTARIES ON, ON, ON PUBLIC TELEVISION AND THEY CAN ALL BE SUMMARIZED IN THE FOLLOWING WAY. WHATEVER THE TOPIC, WE HAVE A PROBLEM. IT'S GETTING WORSE. THANK YOU AND GOOD NIGHT. AND YOU KNOW, WE KNOW WE HAVE A PROBLEM. WE KNOW IT'S GETTING WORSE. THE QUESTION IS HOW? WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT IT AND HOW DO WE ENGAGE THE COMMUNITY. AND IN A USEFUL WAY AND EFFECTIVE WAY IN THE COMMUNITY IN THIS CASE IS BUSINESS COMMUNITY. ONE MORE THING, AND THEN I'LL STOP. A COUPLE YEARS AGO, I WORKED WITH A COUPLE OF THE HOA'S UP AT THE NORTH END OF TOWN TO TO ORGANIZE A WATER FORM. ACTUALLY, I'VE DONE IT FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS, AND BUT IN THIS PARTICULAR YEAR, THE FOCUS WAS ON RESILIENCY. AND WE I WAS INTRODUCED THROUGH THAT PROCESS TO JENNIFER GIRARDEAU, WHO'S THE RESILIENCY DIRECTOR IN BROWARD COUNTY AND BROUGHT HER OVER TO BE IN THAT FORUM. AND THEN SHE SPENT TIME WITH CITY STAFF, AND THEY WERE JUST FINISHING THEIR OWN BUSINESS CASE. AND IT WAS A VERY SOPHISTICATED EFFORT. THAT'S THE ONE I WAS TALKING ABOUT. WE WORKED ON IT WITH JENNIFER. SO YEAH, YOU MENTIONED REGION. I DIDN'T KNOW WHETHER IT WAS IT. 
          WAS THAT IT? OKAY. SHE WAS PART OF THE BROADER. YEAH. SO YOU KNOW, YOU YOU KNOW ANNIE FIRSTHAND WHAT WAS DONE OVER THERE. AND, YOU KNOW, FROM A DISTANCE, IT APPEARED TO ME TO BE VERY SOPHISTICATED EFFORT. OF COURSE, IT WAS A COUNTY, A BIGGER COUNTY. AND WHICH AGAIN, BEGS THE QUESTION OF THE REGIONAL DATA THAT YOU PRESENTED, RANDY PRESENTED HERE OR DID THE WORK ON, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE CAN GET DONE HERE WILL DEPEND, ULTIMATELY ON A CITY COUNTY PARTNERSHIP TO THAT, YOU KNOW, NEEDS TO HAPPEN SOMEDAY SOMEHOW. BUT MY POINT IS THAT BROWARD COUNTY CAN BE A MODEL FOR US IN TERMS OF WHAT WE ASPIRE TO, NOT JUST FROM A CONTENT STANDPOINT, BUT FROM A COMMUNICATION STANDPOINT. SO I FULLY AGREE. THEY DID AN AMAZING JOB MAKING SURE THIS DIDN'T SIT ON THE SHELF AND THEY TOOK IT TO THE NEXT LEVEL, AND I WAS BLOWN AWAY BY HOW ORGANIZED THEY WERE AT COMMUNICATING IT. YEAH. SO I'LL LET OTHERS ASK QUESTIONS OR COMMENT. THANK YOU. AND FROM THIS AFTERNOON, RAYMOND, AS YOU REPORTED. MR. YOUNG, UNLESS ANYONE DISAGREES, I BELIEVE THAT THIS SHOULD BE PART OF OUR JOINT WORKSHOP CONVERSATION WITH THE COUNTY AS ONE OF THE TOPICS, BUT SURE. BESIDES THAT, YES, MR. YOUNG. YEAH, BESIDE THAT, AND WE HAVE TO DEVELOP A COMMUNICATION CAMPAIGN AROUND IT. BUT I WOULD JUST ADD THIS WHEN I TOOK THIS OVER, I TOOK THIS THIS WAS ALREADY UNDERWAY AND WE WERE DOING THE RESILIENCY. IT'S A COMPONENT OF IT. AND I WOULD SAY WE HAVE OTHER STAKEHOLDERS THAT WE NEED TO COMMUNICATE WELL WITH, BUT THE ROI SHOULD PERMEATE EVERY DECISION THAT WE MAKE AS TO WHY ARE WE PUTTING THE MONEY IN THIS AREA OF EMPHASIS? AND SO IS IT NOT ONLY THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY WHEN WE'RE MAKING AND THE CITIZENS WHEN WE'RE MAKING A DECISION ON WHY WE'RE PUTTING THE MONEY IN IN THIS AREA OF FOCUS, WHY WE'RE DECIDING TO DO SPEND CITY DOLLARS ON CITY PROPERTIES TO, YOU KNOW, ADD TO THE RESILIENCY. BUT ALSO, WHILE WE'RE ASKING YOU AS PROPERTY OWNERS TO CONSIDER THESE ITEMS OR IF WE'RE GOING TO RAISE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE SEAWALL HEIGHT OR MAKE THOSE DECISIONS, AND THEN THE LAST AND THIRDLY, I WILL ALSO SAY IS THIS IS THAT ROI IS WHAT WE NEED TO CONVINCE OTHERS AT THE STATE AND OTHER 
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LEVELS TO HELP US GET MONEY BACK, BECAUSE WE CAN'T. WHEN YOU CAN DEMONSTRATE IT ON THE HORIZON, IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING, BECOME MORE RESILIENT AND YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE THE ECONOMIC ENGINE THAT SUSTAINS US. THEY HAVE A VESTED INTEREST IN THAT AS WELL. SO I THINK WE'VE GOT TO USE IT IN ALL OF THOSE WAYS. AND THAT THAT TYPE OF DISCUSSION NEEDS TO PERMEATE THOSE DECISIONS ALONG THE WAY AS WELL. SO NOT JUST A FRONT END DISCUSSION, BUT MAKING SURE WE REFLECT IT IN THE WORK WE DO AND TIE IT BACK TO THAT AS WE MAKE THOSE DECISIONS IN AS IT RELATES TO BOTH INFRASTRUCTURE AND RELATED RESILIENCY ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. 
          SO I THINK IT'S A LIVING THING AS IT GOES THROUGH THE PROCESS AS WELL. SO THAT'S ALL I'LL ADD AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN. THANK YOU. TO ME THE. THE PAGE THAT RESONATES WITH ME THE MOST IS MICROPHONE WHEREBY IT STATES AS A FUNDAMENTAL MATTER, THE CITY SHOULD VIEW RESILIENCE OF THE COMMUNITY AS A NEW WAY OF DOING BUSINESS AND DRIVING DECISION MAKING. AND HERETOFORE WE HAVE NOT BEEN DOING THAT. SO THAT TO ME IS IS JUST CULMINATES THIS ENTIRE DOCUMENT. WE NEED TO NOW BRING RESILIENCY INTO EVERYTHING THAT WE DO. AND I APPRECIATE THIS DOCUMENT. IF FOR NO OTHER REASON FOR THIS, THAT PARTICULAR SENTENCE, I HONESTLY DO. YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME GREAT STUFF IN HERE, BUT BUT WE JUST NEED TO LOOK THROUGH A DIFFERENT LENS NOW. AND AND I THANK YOU FOR HERALDING THAT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? COUNCIL VICE MAYOR, THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I BELIEVE AND A FEW QUESTIONS FOR CLARIFICATION. YOU MENTIONED, I THINK, BREVARD COUNTY, BROWARD, BROWARD, OKAY, BROWARD COUNTY AND HOW LONG AGO DID YOU PRESENT TO BROWARD COUNTY OR WHEN THEY RECOGNIZED THE SOUTHEAST FLORIDA BUSINESS CASE ANALYSIS WAS COMPLETED AROUND. MAYBE 2020, MAYBE 2019? OKAY. AND THEN TAMPA BAY WAS AFTER THAT DURING COVID, I BELIEVE MY MEMORY IS NOT SERVING ME. I WOULD SAY 3 TO 4 YEARS AGO WAS AROUND BALLPARK. THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. AND THIS IS DEALING. AND I PULLED A FEW THINGS FROM YOUR SLIDES. IT DEALS WITH COMMUNITY LEVEL ADAPTATION. RIGHT. PRIMARILY A BIG PART OF THIS PRESENTATION IS ELEVATING BAYFRONT SEAWALLS. 
          NOW THAT SAID BAYFRONT, BUT THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE GULF FRONT. LET ME SHOW. YEAH, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT HERE. SO THOSE ARE NOT JUST BAYFRONT. THOSE ARE. SEAWALLS FACING THE GULF. RIGHT. SO WE CAN THROW THAT IN THERE. YEAH. THE THE THE THE BAYFRONT IS THE FOCUS OF THE THE LIGHT GREENISH. CAN YOU SEE THAT? YEAH, YEAH. THE SEAWALLS ON THE GULF ARE ALREADY HIGHER THAN THE 5.6. SO THERE'S NO CONCERN ABOUT CONSISTENCY IN THE SEAWALLS FACING THE GULF. IT'S WE'RE OKAY THERE. YEAH. WELL THEY'RE ABOVE 5.6 JUST IN GENERAL WHICH IS WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO. RIGHT. SO THAT'S WHY THE WORD BAYFRONT IS BEING USED. YES. 
          OKAY. AND CAN YOU CLARIFY THAT? YOU MEAN UP NORTH. NO, I MEAN HE'S ASKING ABOUT SEAWALLS ON THE GULF OF MEXICO. SEAWALLS ON THE GULF OF MEXICO ARE ALREADY HIGHER THAN JUST BECAUSE THE ELEVATION OF THE LAND IS HIGHER. SO THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, RUNNING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 6FT AND 8FT, JUST IN GENERAL THAT ALREADY EXISTS THERE. AND THIS MAP IS JUST THE NORTH SIDE. AND THE SOUTH SIDE IS NOT JUST BECAUSE OF IT BEING SO LONG AND NARROW. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SIDE BY SIDE. 
          YEAH, I CAN'T MAKE IT LARGER, BUT YOU'RE THE AREAS THAT ARE GREEN ON THESE TWO SLIDES. ARE YOU REFERRING REFERRING TO GULF SHORE BOULEVARD NORTH. YEAH. THE AREAS THAT ARE LIGHT LIKE GREEN HERE ARE THE CURRENT OVERTOPPING. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS MAP IS SHOWING OF THE CURRENTLY OVERTOPPED SEAWALLS. AND SO GULF SHORE BOULEVARD NORTH CONDOMINIUMS ARE AT 6 OR 8FT HIGH. TYPICALLY IN SOME OF THEM AT FIVE AND A HALF. I MEAN, IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHAT THEY 
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WERE BUILT AT BACK IN THE 50 PLUS YEARS AGO. GOT IT. THANK YOU. SORRY FOR THE INTERRUPTION. 
          NO, I, I JUST I SAW THE WORDS BAYFRONT BEING USED CONSISTENTLY. I JUST NEEDED CLARIFICATION. THE DETAILS DO MATTER. AND YOU SAID IN THE SLIDES THAT 6% OF THOSE SEAWALLS HAVE BEEN RAISED TO MEET THE CURRENT MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE ELEVATION OF 4.8FT. 
          BUT AGAIN, WE WANT TO GET TO 5.6. YES. RIGHT. OKAY. AND THEN YOU PROVIDED COSTS. AND THEN THE FOOTNOTE SAID WE'RE USING 2023 CITY OF FORT LAUDERDALE. BUT 2023, EVEN THOUGH YOU USE 2023 COSTS, DID YOU ADJUST FOR THE INFLATION? YES. OKAY. AND HOW FAR OUT DID YOU ADJUST? WE DID EVERYTHING IN CURRENT DOLLARS. CURRENT COST. YEAH. SO THE LONGER FROM WHEREVER TIME USES CURRENT IT'S JUST GOING UP. AND BY THE WAY, IF, IF THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY OR OTHERS WORK ON THIS INFORMATION, BELIEVE ME, THE COSTS ARE GOING TO GO UP FROM THERE BECAUSE SHORTAGE OF RESOURCES. RIGHT. YEAH. AND THEN I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT OF DOING NOTHING, RIGHT, OBVIOUSLY THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE RIGHT ALONG THE BAYFRONT THAT HAVE A SEAWALL, THEY'RE GOING TO BE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED. BUT WHEN WATER TOPS AND IT GOES THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY THAT HAS A A DETRIMENTAL EFFECT TO PROPERTY VALUES EVEN BEYOND THE BAYFRONT. SO JUST BRIEFLY, GENERALLY, HOW DID YOU EXPAND THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT OF DOING NOTHING TO INCLUDE THE THE DECREASED VALUE OF PROPERTIES AND ALL OF THAT? JUST BRIEFLY EXPLAIN THAT SO THAT IN OUR OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, NOT MONETIZED, ONE OF THE KEY ONES THAT WE DID NOT DO WAS REDUCE CHANGES IN PROPERTY VALUE FROM PERCEIVED RISK OR REAL RISK BEYOND THOSE THAT ARE DIRECTLY IMPACTED. SO WE HAVE A WHOLE SECTION IN OUR TECH REPORT THAT HAS A LIT REVIEW OF IMPACTS TO PROPERTY VALUE, BUT WE DID NOT MONETIZE THE IMPACT UNLESS THE PROPERTY WAS DIRECTLY BENEFITING FROM OR IMPACTED BY. 
          YOU DID NOT. CORRECT. SO OKAY, I'M TAKING FROM THAT STATEMENT THAT THE DO NOTHING IS GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE. YOU'RE SHAKING YOUR HEAD. YES. WE AIMED TO BE CONSERVATIVE. YES. 
          GOT IT. BUT BEING CONSERVATIVE I, I UNDERSTAND THAT BUT YEAH COUNCIL IT'S GOING TO BE MORE IT'S GOING TO BE MORE AND IT'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE. AND THEN WE'RE ALL OPERATING UNDER A LITTLE BIT OF LEGISLATION HERE THAT PREVENTS US. IN FACT, THE WORDS MORE RESTRICTIVE OR BURDENSOME PROCEDURES CONCERNING REVIEW, APPROVAL OR ISSUANCE OF A SITE PLAN, DEVELOPMENT PERMIT OR DEVELOPMENT ORDER. SO IS WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING. EVERY BIT OF IT IS JUST IF THEY WANT TO DO IT OR NOT. OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT ORDINANCES AND GUIDANCE FROM GOVERNMENT BUILDING DEPARTMENTS, ETC. TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN? NATALIE, THERE WOULD HAVE TO BE CHANGES TO, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE ABOVE. AND IT STARTS WITH OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO WE ARE PUTTING IN TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THE RESILIENCE INITIATIVES THAT WILL HELP US DEVELOP THE CODES THAT THEN WE CAN WORK ON DEVISING. BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS DIFFICULT WAS GETTING THE LANGUAGE AND HOW FAR REACHING IT IS, BECAUSE IT AFFECTS BUILDING CODES, IT AFFECTS, YOU KNOW, SEAWALLS AND DOCKS. IT AFFECTS, YOU KNOW, CODE. HOW DO WE HANDLE THAT WHEN WE GO FORWARD? SO IT BECAME VERY COMPLICATED, FAST. 
          AND AS SUCH, I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS REGARDING THIS. AND, YOU KNOW, WE WHEN WE GET PAST THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE START WITH THE CODE CHANGES, WE'LL HAVE TO REALLY HAVE A TEAM THAT IS GOING TO LOOK AT ALL ASPECTS SO THAT WE DON'T INADVERTENTLY CAUSE PROBLEMS IN OTHER ASPECTS OF THE CODE AND THAT TYPE OF THING. SO I'M I'M SUPPORTIVE OF EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN PRESENTED HERE. I MEAN, IT MAKES COMMON SENSE, RIGHT? IT'S COMMON SENSE THAT IF SEA LEVEL RISE IS IS A PROBLEM NOW, AND WE'VE SEEN THE PAST WHERE IT'S MEASURED AND NOT ONLY INCHES BUT FEET, RIGHT. SO WE KNOW IT'S A REAL DEAL. AND THEN THERE'S ECONOMIC IMPACT TO THE CITY TO THE COUNTY. BUT MY THE DIRECT ANSWER IS THIS. BEFORE 
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WE PUT ALL THIS EFFORT TO GOING THROUGH ALL THIS AND BUILDING ORDINANCES AND ALL THE STUFF THAT GOES WITH MEASURING THE CRITERIA, BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T MEASURE IT, NOTHING WILL HAPPEN, RIGHT? WE GOT TO IT'S IMPORTANT TO TO DO, TO HAVE A PLAN AND EXECUTE IT. BUT ARE WE ABLE TO DO THAT WITHOUT BECOMING SIDEWAYS OR CONFLICTING WITH SB 250 AND 180? IS ANY ANY COMMUNITY DONE THIS SINCE 2019 2020? IS ANYBODY DOING THIS AND SHOWN THAT IT IS NOT CONFLICTING WITH SENATE BILL 250 AND 180? YOU KNOW, WE TALKED TO SEVERAL COMMUNITIES AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SEAWALL, RIGHT. INFORMATION THAT WE PRESENTED LAST MONTH. 
          AND I I'M NOT 100% SURE THE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION, SENSE OF THE TIMING FOR WHAT THEY DID. 
          I DO KNOW THAT THE CITY OF KEY BISCAYNE VILLAGE, THEY DID THEIRS DID NOT PASS. AND PART OF THEIR ISSUES WERE THAT THEY HAD OTHER INITIATIVES GOING ON, AND THEY WANTED TO WAIT FOR THOSE OTHER INITIATIVES TO BE COMPLETED. YEAH. IN NO CASE DID THAT CONVERSATION COME UP. SO I'M NOT 100% SURE I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. AND I DOUBT THAT ANYONE HAS TAKEN THESE STEPS. 
          AND TO BE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S SHAMEFUL THAT WE CAN'T JUST SIT HERE AND DISCUSS. 
          WE'RE NOT VOTING TODAY. THIS IS A WORKSHOP. BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, COUNSEL, IT'S SHAMEFUL THAT WE CAN'T MOVE THIS CONVERSATION. IN MY OPINION, WE CAN'T MOVE THIS CONVERSATION FORWARD. AND I BELIEVE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT OUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES AND SENATORS ARE ADVOCATING IN TALLAHASSEE AND PUTTING INTO THOSE STATUTES THAT PREVENT US FROM PROTECTING OUR COMMUNITY. AND THAT I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE. BUT UNTIL WE CROSS THAT THRESHOLD, WE'RE WE'RE NOT WE'RE DOING A DISSERVICE TO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. THERE ARE. I'LL GO WITH KRAMER VERY QUICKLY. IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, VICE MAYOR, SHE JUST SAID THAT IF WE DO NOTHING, THAT'S MORE BURDENSOME. YEAH. BY DEFINITION, RIGHT. IT'S GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE AND CREATE A NUMBER OF PROBLEMS. AND SO THIS GIVES US A BULLET IN OUR GUN WHEN WE GO FIGHT THAT FIGHT. AND IN THE END, I MENTIONED THIS LAST MEETING. WE JUST NEED TO DO THE RIGHT THING, DO THE NEXT RIGHT THING. AND AND EVENTUALLY IT MAY GET TO COURT. AND THEN WE GET EVERYTHING DEFINED. IN THE MEANTIME, I KNOW THAT OUR LOCAL REPRESENTATIVES ARE WORKING AT CURING THAT BILL BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT HAS PROBLEMS. AND HOPEFULLY AS THEY DO SO, IT'LL BE IT'LL BE FIXED IN A MANNER THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO. BUT HAVING SAID THAT, WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND DO WHAT WE NEED TO DO. THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NEEDS TO GET DONE. WE NEED TO DO THE NEXT RIGHT THING AND LET THE CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY. CAN'T BE AFRAID OF GETTING SUED. WE'D ALL BE PARALYZED IN OUR VARIOUS OTHER LIFE IF IF WE ALLOWED THAT TO THAT FEAR TO PARALYZE US. AND SO I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE US, JUST LET'S MOVE FORWARD, DOING THE RIGHT THING AND LET THE CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY MAY. WHAT DO YOU THINK? THANK YOU. OTHER COMMENTS COUNCIL. SO THERE ARE SPECIFICS. AND VICE MAYOR TOUCHED ON ONE AND THAT IS THE SEAWALLS. SO IS THERE A RECOMMENDATION FOR US TO LOOK AT FOR DISCUSSION. WE PRESENTED LAST MONTH ON THE, YOU KNOW, CREATING A MINIMUM FOR OUR SEAWALLS IN THE FUTURE, WHICH AT THAT TIME THEY PROPOSED 5.6 NABBED FOR OUR BAYS, THE SEAWALLS ON OUR BAYS. AND I MEAN, COUNCIL AGREED WITH THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WE'LL GO FORWARD WITH AND WORK ON. AND IT'S JUST PART OF OUR THE PROCESS, YOU KNOW, JUST TAKES TIME TO WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS AND GET EVERYTHING LOOKED AT. MAKE SURE WE'RE NOT STEPPING ON OTHER PEOPLE'S TOES OR CAUSING PROBLEMS FOR OURSELVES IN THE FUTURE. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST IN THE VERY, VERY BEGINNINGS OF DEVELOPMENT, OKAY. HOWEVER, WE ARE ALLOWING PERMITS TO RAISE SEAWALLS ON THE GULF SIDE FROM IN FACT, WE HAVE ONE COMING BEFORE US THIS WEEK, BUT WE WON'T TALK ABOUT THAT. BUT THERE HAVE BEEN OTHERS NORTH OF THE PORT ROYAL CLUB THAT HAVE RAISED THEIR SEAWALLS. AND WHAT ARE WE WHAT GUIDELINES AND WHO'S APPROVING THOSE SEAWALLS. SO NATURAL RESOURCES APPROVES ALL THE SEAWALLS IN THE CITY. THE SEAWALLS ON THE GULF ARE UNDER 
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A DIFFERENT PART OF OUR CODE. UNDER THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION SETBACK LINE, PORTIONS OF THE CODE, WE DID HAVE SOME CONVERSATION WITH THAT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. I MEAN, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE REGARDING THOSE SEAWALLS ON THE GULF OF MEXICO, WE FOLLOW THE CRITERIA IN THE CODE, WHICH IS SOMEWHAT LIMITED AND DEPENDENT ON WHAT DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION APPROVES. AND, YOU KNOW, ONCE THOSE CRITERIA ARE MET, THEY ARE APPROVED. IF THEY MEET THE CRITERIA, YOU KNOW, IF THE SEAWALLS MEET THE CRITERIA. SO DEP IS APPROVING THE SEAWALLS THAT ARE IN THAT COASTAL CONSTRUCTION. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE PERMITS, AND THEY LOOK AT ALL OF THE STRUCTURE THAT WOULD BE PROPOSED SEAWARD OF THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE, AND THEY WOULD REVIEW THOSE FOR THE STRUCTURAL COMPONENTS, THE DYNAMIC COMPONENTS TO THE BEACH AND, YOU KNOW, GO FORWARD WITH THEIR REVIEWS. SO DO WE KNOW HOW MANY THEY'VE APPROVED? I DO NOT I DO NOT KNOW HOW MANY THEY'VE APPROVED. I THINK THE HIGHEST I'VE SEEN IS EIGHT FEET. BUT THAT'S EIGHT FEET. AND IT'S NOT LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GO OUT IN THE BEACH AND LOOK AT AN EIGHT FOOT SEAWALL, IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE UP TO LIKE MAYBE MY CHEST, DEPENDING ON THE SAND, BECAUSE THE SAND SHIFTS AND FILLS IN AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T LOOK ANY HIGHER THAN ANYTHING. THE REASON I ASKED THAT IS THERE ARE PERMITS THAT ARE BEING GIVEN AT CERTAIN HEIGHTS, AND WE NEED TO KNOW THAT INFORMATION. HOW MANY HAVE BEEN APPROVED? I'LL NEED IT FOR WEDNESDAY. ALSO, YOU KNOW, NORTH OR SOUTH? IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. IF THEY'RE APPROVING SEAWALLS, THEN WE NEED TO KNOW AND I'M NOT SURE THAT WE CAN GET THAT INFORMATION FROM DEP IN THAT QUICK OF A TURNAROUND, BECAUSE WE'D HAVE TO FOIA THE INFORMATION. AND THAT'S A 30 DAY PROCESS AND STUFF. SO I CAN SOMEONE YOU SPEAK WITH THAT WE CAN'T I CAN'T CALL THEM AND FIND OUT THAT INFORMATION. I CAN GET THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. I THINK IT'S NEEDED BECAUSE THIS THIS IS PART OF IT CAN BE FRAGMENTED IF THEY'RE ALLOWING APPROVALS. AND SO THEN FOR THE APPROVAL PROCESS OTHER THAN THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION LINE PERMITS, WHO APPROVES THOSE SEAWALLS? NATURAL RESOURCES REVIEWS THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION SETBACK LINE PERMIT APPLICATIONS, WHICH IS ME RIGHT. BUT IF IT'S NOT THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION SETBACK LINES, WHICH I GUESS ALL PERMITS ARE WITHIN THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION SETBACK LINE SEAWALLS YOU WOULD HAVE SEAWALL MARINE PERMITS FOR ON THE BAYS. AND THEN YOU HAVE PERMITS FOR ON THE GULF. OKAY. TWO DIFFERENT TYPES OF ALLOWING MARINE PERMITS ON THE BAY FOR UP TO THE 4.8 AND AND UNTIL THAT CHANGES, OKAY. AND DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY WE'VE APPROVED IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS? WE LOOKED AT IT FOR THE SEAWALL STUDY LAST MONTH, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER OFF THE TOP OF MY, YOU KNOW, MY HEAD HOW MANY THAT WAS. 
          AND THEY DON'T ALWAYS GO UP TO 4.8. SO JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE ABLE TO GO UP TO 4.8 DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY ALL CHOOSE TO GO UP TO 4.8. SOME OF THEM CHOOSE TO BE LESS HIGH ON THE BASE. 
          OKAY. AND THEN MY NEXT QUESTION WOULD BE YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FREE BOARDING, AND THAT WOULD BE TO MR. BECKMAN ON THE WE'VE ALLOWED, IF YOU COULD COME FORWARD. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. SO YOU BROUGHT FORWARD TO US THE ONE FOOT FREE BOARD. CORRECT ME IF I'M SAYING IT INCORRECTLY. MAYOR, COUNCIL STEVE BECKMAN, DIRECTOR OF BUILDING SERVICES AND FLOODPLAIN ADMINISTRATOR FOR CITY. SO THE BUILDING CODE REQUIRES THE PLUS ONE FREE BOARD IN OUR BUILDING CODE. WAS THAT THAT'S THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, CORRECT? FLORIDA. 
          AND DID YOU NOT BRING THAT FORWARD TO US TO DISCUSS? AND WE APPROVED A RESOLUTION FOR THAT. TRYING TO RECALL BRINGING I DON'T THINK I BROUGHT FORTH ANYTHING ABOUT THE ONE FOOT OF FREE BOARD, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT OUR FLORIDA BUILDING CODE REQUIRES. I KNOW THERE'S A CONVERSATION ABOUT ALLOWING AN ADDITIONAL AMOUNT OF FREE BOARD, DEPENDING ON USE OF THE OLD MAPS. IF THEY WERE HIGHER, WE SAID WE COULD USE THE OLD ONE, THE OLD MAPS, IF THEY WERE 
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HIGHER THAN THE MINIMUM AND NOT LOSE THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION THAT THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE HAS. THAT'S WHAT I RECALL BEING BROUGHT FORWARD. OKAY. AND WERE YOU ABLE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THAT SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND TRYING TO CREATE POLICY ON WHETHER GOING TO THE TWO. AND I MEAN, AT SOME POINT, DO WE NEED TO MAKE A DETERMINATION IT MIGHT BE LEGAL OR MAYBE IT'S NOT ON WHEN WE CAN USE THE OLD FEMA MAPS VERSUS THE ADOPTED ONES. SO THE OLD FEMA MAPS, WE CAN USE THEM AS LONG AS THEY'RE NOT LOWER THAN THE MINIMUM THAT'S REQUIRED BY FEMA OR BY BUILDING. SO WE CAN WE CAN GO MORE THAN ONE, TWO, THREE FEET. BUT LIKE I SAID, IT'S A CHOICE THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE MAKE BASED ON. IS IT GOING TO AFFECT MY OVERALL HEIGHT. SO WE'VE HAD INTERNAL DISCUSSIONS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WOULD ADDING AN ADDITIONAL FOOT. 
          SO IN OTHER WORDS, BASE ONE PLUS TWO BE SOMETHING PEOPLE WOULD LIKE. AND I THINK I CAN CONFIDENTLY SAY PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO GO HIGHER, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF REQUESTS TO GO HIGHER. BUT AGAIN, THE LIMITING FACTOR BECOMES THE THE HEIGHT OF THE BUILDING. SO THEY IF THE OLD MAP IS HIGHER, THEY GENERALLY WILL GO TO THAT OLD MAP AND USE IT. AND BECAUSE BECAUSE THEY DON'T LOSE THE OVERALL HEIGHT. SO YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE ADDING FREEBOARD IS GOING TO HELP IF WE CAN HAVE THE PROVISIONS TO NOT LOSE BUILDING HEIGHT, I THINK THEN. SO TO COUNCIL MEMBER CUSHMAN, THE CONTRACTORS, THE BUILDING ASSOCIATION, HAVE WE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THEM? INDIRECTLY. IT'S BEEN PART OF THE CONVERSATION ON VARIOUS TOPICS RELATING TO CONSTRUCTION AND USE OF FILL, ELEVATING PROPERTIES AND ETCETERA. BUT HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN ANY ANY OF THE BUILDERS OPPOSED TO IT. IT AGAIN, IT JUST REALLY COMES DOWN TO A MATTER OF CHOICE WITH THE CUSTOMERS AS TO WHAT THEY CAN DO. HAVE YOU SEEN A TREND FOR SPEC HOMES VERSUS PEOPLE WHO ARE BUILDING A HOME THEMSELVES? HAVE THERE BEEN? I THINK I'VE SEEN A TREND SINCE IAN THAT EVERYONE'S TRYING TO GO AS HIGH AS THEY CAN WITHIN THE PARAMETERS THAT EXIST. OKAY. 
          AND THEN SO IN MOVING FORWARD, BECAUSE THIS IS A DISCUSSION, WHAT DO YOU WHAT DO YOU THINKING THAT THIS COUNCIL NEEDS TO DISCUSS IN ORDER TO COME UP WITH POLICY TO HELP YOU WITH THIS ADAPTATION OR THIS BUSINESS PLAN? THE MAIN ONE, AS FAR AS ADDING ADDITIONAL FREEBOARD, WOULD HAVE TO DO WITH BUILDING HEIGHTS. AND, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAN WE DO WHEN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE THEN TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN? AND THEN YOU KNOW, HOW HOW FAR YOU KNOW HOW MUCH FREEBOARD AND HOW MUCH YOU KNOW, YOU'D LIKE TO CONSIDER ALLOWING. SO WE ALL KNOW THERE'S A HISTORY THAT WE HAD THE OLD MAPS AND ARCHITECTS DIDN'T LIKE IT, NOR DID THE RESIDENTS, BECAUSE YOU HAD TO HAVE SO MANY STEPS. AND WITH OUR OLDER CLIENTELE, IT DIDN'T WORK. SO WE CHALLENGED THE MAPS, AND THEN WE'RE ABLE TO GO BACK TO THE OLDER MAPS OF NOT BUILDING AT THE I GUESS IT WAS 11 OR SOMETHING BACK IN THE 90S. SO HOW DO WE GO FORWARD IN ADDRESSING THAT, OR DO YOU ADDRESS THAT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS? REFERRING TO POSSIBLY THE USE OF FILL AT SITES AS FAR AS ELEVATING UP FILL TO. I DIDN'T GET TO FILLING UP THE WELL, I MEAN, SO IF YOU'RE BRINGING UP THE FLOOR LEVEL AND YOU'RE NOT BRINGING IT UP FILL, YOU'RE GOING TO NEED MORE STAIRS TO ACCESS THAT FIRST FLOOR. SO AND, YOU KNOW, FILL HAS ITS LIMITATIONS BECAUSE YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, ANGLES OF OR SLOPES, PERCENTAGES OF SLOPE FOR DRIVEWAYS AND, YOU KNOW, OVERALL ESTHETICS OF HOW THINGS LOOK, YOU KNOW, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND AGAIN, FILL IS LIMITED IN THE BUILDING CODE FOR STRUCTURAL USE. YOU CAN'T USE IT FOR ELEVATING STRUCTURE. YOU CAN USE IT INSIDE OF A STEM WALLS AND A SLAB. BUT YOU CAN ONLY DO SO MUCH ELEVATING FOR THE BUILDING ITSELF WITH FILL, OBVIOUSLY. THEN WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT SETBACKS IN THINGS LIKE STAIRS, YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY HAVING SOME ALLOWANCES FOR STAIRS TO FURTHER ENCROACH SO YOU CAN LENGTHEN THEM AND MAKE THEM, I MEAN, YOU'RE STILL HAVING STAIRS. IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO UP, YOU'RE GOING TO YOU'RE GOING TO GO UP, RIGHT. 
          SO ENCROACH INTO THE SETBACKS, ENCROACH INTO THE SETBACKS. THANK YOU. IT'S ALSO A CONVERSATION THAT'S BEEN COMING UP RECENTLY WITH, YOU KNOW, ADDING RESILIENCY TO EXISTING HOMES WHERE YOU'RE ADDING MORE EQUIPMENT, SOLAR EQUIPMENT, GENERATORS AND SUCH, ELEVATING 
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ALL THAT EQUIPMENT. TO GET UP HIGHER. YOU NEED ACCESS, YOU NEED PLATFORMS. AND THOSE THINGS ARE ALL ITEMS THAT GENERALLY ENCROACH. I COULD SIT HERE ALL DAY LONG AND ASK QUESTIONS, BUT WE DO HAVE A TIME CERTAIN. I KNOW PER MR. YOUNG, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HE INHERITED THAT HE'LL BE WORKING ON WITH STAFF AND RETURN BACK TO US. RANDY, FROM THE REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL. I DIDN'T MEAN TO IGNORE YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO ADD OR SHARE WITH US BEFORE WE CONCLUDE THIS ITEM? NO, MA'AM, BUT I WANT TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PRESENTATION FROM STAFF. AND SO THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION? COUNCIL MEMBER PRESSURE. JUST TWO QUICK. ONE WAS WHERE DOES WHERE DOES THE. 
          MODEL, THE ACUTE MODEL FACTOR INTO THIS MODEL ASSESSMENT. SO THE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT DATA WAS USED TO INFORM THIS BUSINESS CASE OKAY. SO THE ALL THE INFORMATION THAT WAS USED DURING THE MODELING WITH THE ACUTE WAS IMPLEMENTED AS PART OF THIS. IN THE LIKE SEA LEVEL RISE INFORMATION AND THAT TYPE OF THING. OKAY. AND THEN MY SECOND ONE IS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE WE ARE UNDOUBTEDLY GOING TO WANT TO CHANGE CODES TO BECOME MORE RESILIENT. IT IS UNDOUBTEDLY GOING TO BE MORE EXPENSIVE. IT IS. IT IS. SO IT WILL BE MORE PERCEIVED AS MORE RESTRICTIVE AND BURDENSOME. SO I THINK WE THE SOONER THAT WE EDUCATE THE STATE LAWMAKERS ON THIS BUSINESS CASE, I THINK THE BETTER, BECAUSE IF THEY'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW AND GETTING RID OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE POORLY CONSTRUCTED SECTIONS OF THAT OF SB 180, THIS WOULD BE GOOD FOR THEM TO BE EDUCATED RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE I THINK THOSE CHANGES ARE GOING TO COME BE COMING FORWARD PROBABLY IN THE NEXT 30 TO 60 DAYS. AND I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU KNOW, WHO YOU WOULD INTERFACE WITH OR WHO WE WOULD INTERFACE WITH AT THE STATE LEVEL TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. IF THEY HAVE TECHNICAL SUPPORT AS WELL. DO YOU WORK WITH THE STATE AT ALL ON THIS? I MEAN, ONLY INDIRECTLY THROUGH. COUNCIL AND STUFF. SO NOT NECESSARILY. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THE ONLY ONE RIGHT NOW WITH WITHOUT DEFINITIONS, THE ONLY BODY OR JURISDICTION THAT CAN MAKE A DETERMINATION ON WHAT'S MORE BURDENSOME OR RESTRICTIVE IS THE COURT OF LAW, RIGHT. AS A JUDGE. SO SAYING THINGS ON THE RECORD THAT THIS MAY BE THERE'S REALLY NO NEED FOR THAT. IN THESE CONVERSATIONS, YOU GUYS ARE FOCUSED ON RESILIENCY. YOU'RE FOCUSED ON SOMETHING THAT MATTERS. WE DEALT WITH A LOT OF FLOODING TWO YEARS AGO, AND I'VE SAID IT BEFORE AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN, YOU CAN'T BE AFRAID TO DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE CITY. YEAH, BUT IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE GREAT IF THEY COULD PROACTIVELY, YOU KNOW, ACKNOWLEDGE THIS AS AN ISSUE, SAY IT MAKES ECONOMIC SENSE FOR THE STATE OF FLORIDA AND FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES AND AND AMEND THE LEGISLATION SO THAT IT DOESN'T GO TO COURT. SO TWO THINGS WITH THAT LEGISLATION, I DO WANT TO REMIND YOU ARE WE ARE CURRENTLY IN ACTIVE LITIGATION ON IT. RIGHT. SO TRYING TO LIMIT CONVERSATIONS OUT IN PUBLIC MAY BE BENEFICIAL TO THE LITIGATION AT HAND. AND NUMBER TWO, THERE ARE DISCUSSIONS HAPPENING WITH AMENDMENTS. AS THESE DISCUSSIONS UNFOLD, I WILL DO MY BEST TO UPDATE YOU THROUGHOUT THE THROUGHOUT THE PERIOD OF TIME. BUT YOU ARE CORRECT. 30 I MEAN, THERE'S A VERY SHORT WINDOW OF SESSION THAT'S GOING TO START AND END BEFORE MARCH. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF UPDATES. THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE DECIDED, AND I WILL CONTINUE TO UPDATE YOU THROUGH THAT PROCESS. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. YES, VICE MAYOR. AND THEN WE'LL WRAP IT UP AND WE HAVE TO TAKE A BREAK. OKAY. SO THIS COUNCIL IN JUST THE LAST FEW MEETINGS RESCINDED ORDINANCES. MAYBE I'M USING THE WRONG WORD. 
          WE RESCINDED THINGS WE HAD WORKED ON BECAUSE OF THE THREAT OF LAWSUITS. OKAY, SO HERE WE GO. WE WORKED ON STUFF. PUT IT OUT THERE THAT WE'RE WE ARE. HERE'S WHAT OUR PLANS ARE. IT WAS RESCINDED. WE'RE NOT DONE WITH IT. BUT WE HAVE SOME OPTIONS. SO HERE'S A VERY DIRECT QUESTION. IF IT IS THE WILL OF COUNCIL TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PLAN THAT'S SHOWN 
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TODAY, THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS SEEN WHAT KIND OF LEGAL ACTION WOULD BE BROUGHT FORWARD AGAINST THE CITY, WHICH WOULD CAUSE US TO CEASE DEVELOPING ORDINANCES RELATING TO ELEVATING SEAWALLS. IN OTHER WORDS, WE SPEND VALUABLE CITY RESOURCES. THERE'S MANY OF US HERE ON COUNCIL THAT HAVE SAID, OH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO WE'RE NOT GOING TO BURDEN THEM WITH DOING THIS AND THAT BECAUSE IT TAKES THEM AWAY FROM THEIR CORE MISSION. YET HERE WE GO DEVELOPING THINGS THAT ARE WHAT WE BELIEVE ARE RIGHT FOR THE COMMUNITY. YET WE RESCINDED IT. 
          ARE WE NOW ON THE SAME PATH ON THIS TO DOING ALL THIS WORK AND THEN RESCINDING IT WHEN LEGAL ACTION IS FORTHCOMING? I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION. SO THOSE ARE TWO SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT SITUATIONS. IN MY OPINION. THE AIRPORT RESOLUTION WAS WHAT IT WAS. IT WAS SIMPLY A RESOLUTION. AND COUNCIL MADE IT CLEAR, AND I MADE IT CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC THAT THE ORDINANCES WHICH AMEND THE CODE ARE STILL BEING WORKED ON AND WILL STILL BE PROPOSED AT A FUTURE DATE. THIS CONVERSATION, AND I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR NATALIE, IS AT THE VERY, VERY BEGINNING STAGES, RIGHT? THIS IS LIKE, IN MY OPINION, ORDINANCES COMING FORWARD ARE PROBABLY AT THE BEST 5 TO 6 MONTHS AWAY. OKAY. AND YOU GUYS ARE NOT PROPOSING ANYTHING. 
          YOU'RE NOT ADOPTING ANYTHING. YOU'RE CLEARLY GIVING DIRECTION AND GATHERING INFORMATION SO THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AND PROPOSE SOMETHING LEGAL WILL DEFINITELY BE INVOLVED IN THE DRAFTING OF THESE DOCUMENTS. RIGHT. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, I CAN'T TELL YOU THAT YOU WON'T BE SUED OVER SOMETHING BECAUSE THAT'S EVERYONE'S RIGHT. AND IF THAT CONVERSATION COMES UP AND THESE ORDINANCES ARE PASSED AND SOMEONE THREATENS A LAWSUIT AND ASKS YOU TO RESCIND IT, AT THAT TIME, COUNCIL WILL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER OR NOT TO DO SO. GOOD. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. MR. MCCONNELL. AND I NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT. I SUPPORT TAKING THESE STEPS AND MOVING FORWARD AND PROTECTING OUR COMMUNITY. BUT WHEN IT COMES, IF I'M HERE AND IT COMES TIME TO DEFEND THIS. I'M. I WANT TO BE STRONG ABOUT DOING WHAT'S RIGHT FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND TO THE POINT THAT COUNCILMAN KRAMER WAS MAKING. SOMETIMES YOU JUST HAVE TO STEP OUT THERE AND AND TEST IT RIGHT, AND SEE IF WE CAN HOLD UP. THANK YOU. I DO, KRAMER, AND THEN I'LL LET MR. YOUNG AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO SAY THANK YOU AND TAKE A BREAK. 
          I DON'T WANT TO BE OUT OF LINE HERE. I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WOULD BE NATALIE'S PURVIEW, BUT IF WE HAVE THE WILL, I DON'T KNOW IF NATALIE OR WHOMEVER. CAN'T WE JUST SEND THIS DOCUMENT TO OUR LOCAL STATE REPRESENTATIVES AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS SOME WORK WE'VE HAD DONE, AND IT MAY HELP WITH YOUR PERSPECTIVE. WITH. SURE. YEAH. AND THAT'S WHY I WHEN I KIND OF EMPHASIZE THAT OUR COMMUNICATION NEEDS TO BE WITH OUR LEGISLATORS AS WELL. SO THE OVERALL COMMUNICATION STRATEGY WILL BE TO INCLUDE THIS. AND AGAIN, IT SHOULD IT SHOULD PERMEATE EVERYTHING WE DO AS IT PERTAINS TO SPENDING MONEY, RESILIENCY OR LOBBYING FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. AND THEN JUST TO RECAP AND GO BACK TO THE RESILIENCY DISCUSSION. AND WE TALKED AFTERWARDS, BUT WE ALSO SAID IT THAT DAY, THE RESILIENCY DISCUSSION WAS STEP ONE. AND AND THAT ACTUALLY MATTHEW'S TIMETABLE IS PROBABLY REALLY CLOSE IN THE SENSE IS WE HAVE MONTHS TO LOOK AT WORTH OF WORK TO LOOK AT. WHAT CHANGES DO WE MAKE. YOU ALSO HAVE MONTHS OF DISCOVERING WHAT YOU WANT TO HAVE IN THE COMP PLAN. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE GOTTEN THAT FEEDBACK, AND THEN YOU'RE IN POSITION TO WRITE ORDINANCES. BECAUSE TWO THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO LINE UP CODE AND COMP PLAN WHEREVER POSSIBLE. SO THIS IS THIS ISN'T A SPRINT TO THIS CONCLUSION. THIS IS THIS IS A MARATHON OF GATHERING DATA AND GAINING MOMENTUM AS WE GO THROUGH THIS PROCESS. SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT. AND WE ALWAYS SAID WE'D COME BACK FOR WORKSHOPS FOR THEM. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU MR. YOUNG FOR LEADING US INTO WHERE WE'RE GOING NEXT. SO WITH THAT, THANK YOU, KATIE AND NATALIE AND ANNIE FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. 
          LOOK FORWARD TO COMING BACK WITH MORE DETAILS. AND WITH THAT IT IS 1120. OKAY, WE'RE 
          [6.B) Update on Naples 2045, the Elective Changes to the City of Naples Comprehensive Plan (11:00am Time Certain).]
BACK FROM OUR SHORT BREAK AND WE'RE CONTINUING ON WITH ITEM SIX. B MR. YOUNG, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO START THIS OFF WITH OR. NO, I WOULD JUST TURN IT OVER. YOU KNOW OBVIOUSLY THIS IS A THE 2045 COMP PLAN IS IS AN IMPORTANT ENDEAVOR. AND THIS IS JUST AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE TO UPDATE COUNCIL ALONG THE WAY, MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER IT IS YOUR DESIRE TO DO, WHETHER IT'S TAKE ADDITIONAL RECOMMENDATIONS FROM PAB STAFF OR OUR CONSULTANT, 
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THAT YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE US YOUR DIRECTION AND MAKE SURE THAT WE FOLLOW IT ALONG THE WAY. SO WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ERICA. THANK YOU, MISS MARTIN. IS THIS PRESENTATION GOING TO BE SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT WAS AT PAB? YES. VERY SIMILAR. I'LL LET YOU HAVE THE FLOOR. ALL RIGHT. GOOD MORNING ERIC. THAT WAS STILL MORNING. ERIC MARTIN, PLANNING DIRECTOR. THIS IS AN UPDATE FOR YOU ON THE PROGRESS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH WE HAVE TITLED NAPLES 2045 2045, BECAUSE THERE IS A 20 YEAR PLANNING HORIZON WITHIN THIS DOCUMENT. SO STARTING IN 2025, THAT'LL BE 2045, WHICH IS ALSO THE COINCIDENTALLY THE WEBSITE DOMAIN FOR THAT ONE. BUT THIS WE ARE IN PHASE TWO OF THIS PROJECT. PHASE ONE WAS THE DATA COLLECTION AND ANALYSIS PORTION. AND WE'VE MOVED ON TO PHASE TWO, WHICH DOES THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PORTION OF THIS PROJECT. SO THE CONSULTANT TEAM, WE HAVE THE WHOLE TEAM HERE WITH US TODAY TO PRESENT TO YOU WHERE WE ARE AND WHAT'S GOING ON CURRENTLY, AND THE DOCUMENTS THAT THEY HAVE PRODUCED SO FAR. WE DID PRESENT A SIMILAR VERSION OF THIS PRESENTATION WAS PROVIDED INITIALLY TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD IN SEPTEMBER AT THEIR SEPTEMBER MEETING. AT THAT TIME, THERE WERE CONCERNS. I'LL JUST THE PA VOICED CONCERNS ABOUT THE THE TIMING OF THE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND ALSO HOW THE CONSULTANT WOULD FILTER OUT INPUT TO ENSURE THAT THEY ARE GETTING THE INPUT APPROPRIATELY AND FROM CITY RESIDENTS. SO THOSE ARE THE MAIN CONCERNS COMING OUT OF SEPTEMBER. WE THEN CAME BACK IN OCTOBER. THEY PRESENTED US ALMOST THIS EXACT SAME PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD JUST LAST WEEK. SO ON WHEN LAST WEDNESDAY, THE TEAM WAS BEFORE THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AGAIN AND GAVE A PRESENTATION. AND AGAIN, THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD VOICED THEIR CONCERNS ABOUT THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT TIMING. AT THIS TIME, THEY ACTUALLY MADE A MOTION. 
          AND THE MOTION WAS THAT THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS AND SURVEY SHOULD BE DONE IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY AND MARCH. AND THEN AND THAT MOTION PASSED SUCCESSFULLY. AND THEN THEY ALSO HAD CONCERNS ABOUT A PERCENTAGE OF COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED A SUCCESS. SO WHAT WOULD BE THE MEASURE THAT WE WOULD USE TO DETERMINE WHETHER WE HAD THE SUCCESSFUL AMOUNT OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT? THE TEAM. WE'VE REGROUPED A LITTLE BIT AFTER THAT PRESENTATION. YOU'LL SEE BEFORE YOU IN THERE PRESENTATION THAT WAS PUBLISHED, YOU HAVE A TIMELINE. THAT TIMELINE WAS WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THE CONTRACT. WHEN WE WHEN WE SIGNED THE CONTRACT FOR JOHNSON ENGINEERING, THIS WAS A TWO YEAR PROJECT PERIOD. SO IT WAS ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED TO END IN DECEMBER OF 2026. AND WHEN WE SAY END, THAT MEANS TRANSMIT TO THE FINAL APPROVAL BY CITY COUNCIL ON SECOND READING AND THEN TRANSMITTAL TO THE STATE FOR FINAL ADOPTION. REMEMBER, THERE ARE TWO HEARINGS AND TWO ROUNDS OF STATE REVIEW BECAUSE THIS IS A MAJOR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT. SO WITH THE DISCUSSION OF THE TIMING OF THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, YOU HAVE A HANDOUT THAT I PROVIDED TO YOU TODAY. THAT HANDOUT IS A PROPOSED DRAFT OF A PROPOSED CHANGE TO THAT SCHEDULE. YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE DID MOVE BECAUSE REMEMBER MOVING ONE PIECE DOESN'T HAPPEN IN A VACUUM. IF YOU MOVE ONE PIECE YOU HAVE TO MOVE EVERYTHING BEHIND IT. THERE ARE A LOT OF STEPS HERE THAT WE'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE HAPPEN IN THE, YOU KNOW, IN SEASON AND IN, IN PUBLIC. SO WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HIT ALL OF THOSE POINTS. SO YOU'LL SEE THAT. ADDITIONALLY, YOU RECEIVED THIS MORNING A HANDOUT FROM THE CITY MANAGER. THAT WAS COMMENTS PROVIDED BY MR. FOWLER. HE IS A PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD MEMBER. MEMBER WAS CLEAR TO MENTION THAT THOSE WERE HIS PERSONAL COMMENTS. HE DID ALSO PROVIDE THOSE TO THE PAB. YOU WILL NOTE THAT THOSE COMMENTS WERE PROVIDED. YOU RECEIVED THE ACTION REPORT FROM THE CLERK ON FRIDAY, WHICH INCLUDED THE PAB ACTION FROM LAST WEDNESDAY. IN THAT ACTION REPORT, NOT ONLY WAS THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE BY THE PAB, BUT ALSO THAT DOCUMENT THAT MR. FOWLER HAD PROVIDED TO THE PAB WAS INCLUDED AS AN ATTACHMENT IN THAT ACTION REPORT. SO YOU RECEIVED IT ON FRIDAY AND THEN AGAIN, REITERATED MR. YOUNG PROVIDED IT THIS MORNING. WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO OUR CONSULTANT TEAM TO GIVE THEIR PRESENTATION. WHY THE JOHN TANNER WOOD JOHNSON ENGINEERING AND JOHNSON IS THE PRIME LEAD ON THIS MAJOR PLANNING EFFORT, WITH A VERY STRONG BACKING OF A CONSULTANT TEAM WHO'S ALSO HERE WITH US TODAY. YOU'VE GOT ME WITH JOHNSON, CHRISSY FISHER, WHO'S DOING THE DAY TO DAY PROJECT MANAGEMENT ON THE PROJECT. LEANNE KING IS HERE WITH CLARION AND CHRIS CELLA, THE NAMESAKE WITH CMA OUTREACH IS HERE IN LIEU OF BRIANNA TODAY AND ARUNDHATI, THE EXPERT WE HAVE FOR RESILIENCY, AS WELL AS HAVING A LEGAL BACKGROUND AND HER EXPERIENCE IN COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING. SO THIS IS AN ORCHESTRATED PRESENTATION TO GET YOU AS MUCH INFORMATION 
          [02:55:06]
AS WE CAN FROM EACH TEAM MEMBER AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON NOT ONLY OUR PROGRESS ON THE OVERALL PROJECT, BUT TO ADDRESS WHAT ARE NOW THE HOT TOPICS THAT WE WANT TO ADDRESS. AND WHEN IT COMES TO FEEDBACK WE GOT LAST WEEK FROM PLANNING BOARD. PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. 
          SO LET'S BEGIN THERE. BECAUSE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD'S CONCERNS ARE IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS. THEY HAVE RECOMMENDED FORWARD TO YOU TO CONSIDER HOW THIS SCHEDULE DOES OR DOESN'T WORK RELATIVE TO THE OUTREACH, AND BEING ABLE TO TOUCH AND GET AS MUCH INPUT AS WE CAN FROM THE NAPLES RESIDENTS. YOU, AGAIN, HAVE BEEN GIVEN OUR PROJECT SCHEDULE IN THE PAST, IN THE PAST MEETINGS WITH YOU, AND WHAT PLANNING BOARD'S CONCERN IS THAT SHOULD WE BEGIN WITH A KICKOFF AND PUBLIC OUTREACH SESSION NEXT MONTH, IN NOVEMBER, THAT THAT COULD ALIENATE OR LEAVE OUT INDIVIDUALS WHO CONCENTRATE THEIR TIME IN NAPLES IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH? I WANT TO MAKE SURE IT'S CLEAR THAT THE SCHEDULE DOES HAVE A JANUARY PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD CITY COUNCIL MEETING, WHERE WE WOULD REGROUP WITH YOU AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ON TRACK WITH THE THE RIGHT PROGRESS WITH THIS PLAN PLANNING EFFORT. IT ALREADY HAS A FEBRUARY COMMUNITY OUTREACH SERIES OF WORKSHOPS. AGAIN, WE WERE ALREADY STARTING KICKING OFF IN NOVEMBER, REVISITING WITH THE COMMUNITY IN FEBRUARY, AND WE HAD A. PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD VISIT IN MARCH. SO THE PUBLIC'S EXPOSURE TO THIS PROJECT DOES NOT JUST START AND END IN NOVEMBER. AND I KNOW THAT CAUSED A LOT OF ANXIETY. THE THE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT EXPOSURE FOR THIS PROJECT BEGINS IN NOVEMBER FOR OUR CURRENT SCHEDULE. THE PUBLIC IS REVISITED IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY AND MARCH NEXT YEAR PER OUR CURRENT SCHEDULE. AS WE DEVELOP AND REFINE AND LEARN MORE AND MORE FROM THE PUBLIC ABOUT WHAT THIS YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY WHAT THEIR ISSUES ARE IN THE BEGINNING, BUT HOW TO ADDRESS THEIR ISSUES IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY, AND MARCH. SHOULD YOU WANT TO DIG IN DEEPER AND LOOK AT ALTERNATIVES. WE, LIKE ERICA, SAID, WE PREPARED, YOU KNOW, WE'VE THOUGHT AHEAD AT WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. IF THAT'S YOUR CHOICE, AND WE CAN DISCUSS THOSE OPTIONS AS WELL. SO IF I WANT TO JUST CONFIRM THAT AND WE CAN DISCUSS THAT LATER AS WE MOVE THROUGH. BUT I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT IT UP FIRST. SO THERE IS A ACCORDING TO THE ORIGINAL SCHEDULE IS ON THE SCREEN, CORRECT? YES. AND YOU SAID THAT THERE WAS A PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD MEETING FOR MARCH, JANUARY, MARCH. I'LL JUST. 
          CHRISSY, CAN I GET TO THAT ACTUAL DISPLAY? YES. IS IT IN THERE? OKAY, I CAN GO DOWN. 
          YEAH. WE HAVE A MORE DETAILED. YEAH. AT THE VERY END. YEAH. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. THAT'S OKAY, I GOT IT. SO HERE, HOPEFULLY THIS HELPS SHOW YOU AND ANSWER YOUR QUESTION THE LITTLE BLUE SYMBOL THAT LOOKS ALMOST LIKE A CROWN. THAT'S THAT REPRESENTS A COMMUNITY MEETING. SO NOVEMBER YOU SEE THOSE BLUE CROWNS FOR COMMUNITY MEETING JANUARY YOU SEE A PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, CITY COUNCIL MEETING WORKSHOP TO GET JOINT. YES. THANK YOU. FEBRUARY. YOU SEE THE BLUE CROWN AGAIN FOR A PUBLIC OUTREACH WORKSHOPS. AND THEN MARCH FOLLOWED DOWN TO THE GREEN. AND YOU SEE PAB SEEING THE DRAFT MATERIALS AND GETTING TO REACT AND GIVE COMMENTS ON WHAT THE MATERIALS ARE STARTING TO SHAPE UP AND LOOK LIKE. SO A PAB CITY COUNCIL JOINT IN JANUARY TO DISCUSS WHAT WE'RE LEARNING AND WHAT WE'RE FINDING AND WHERE WE'RE HEADED WITH OUR LIKE, PRELIMINARY FEEDBACK. FEBRUARY PUBLIC OUTREACH FOR THAT REVISIT TO SAY, IS THIS THE RIGHT DIRECTION? SHOULD WE BE SHAPING POLICIES IN THESE WAYS AS WE DRAFT THIS PLAN AND MARCH APPEARING AT PAB FOR THAT, YOU KNOW, TIME WITH THEM WHERE THEY GET TO CHEW ON AND GIVE US FEEDBACK ON HOW THE POLICIES ARE SHAPING UP. SO THE ONLY ERICA CHANGE THAT YOU'RE ASKING US TO CONSIDER IS THE. PUBLIC OUTREACH TO BE IN MARCH. MEETINGS. THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY BOARD MADE A MOTION ASKING COUNCIL TO CONSIDER WHETHER HAVING THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT IN NOVEMBER IS PRUDENT, OR WHETHER THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT SHOULD ALL HAPPEN 
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BETWEEN JANUARY, FEBRUARY AND MARCH. AND SO WHERE WERE THEY SCHEDULED FOR IN NOVEMBER? WE HAVE WORKSHOPS PRELIMINARILY SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER 13TH. MORNING, A MORNING MEETING AND A EVENING MEETING OR LATE AFTERNOON EVENING MEETING. A WORKSHOP, PUBLIC. YEAH. PUBLIC WORKSHOP. SO INVITE OPENING THE DOORS. THE CHURCH IN THE NORTH END OF TOWN AND NORTH. SO THEY'RE OFF SITE MEETINGS. IT'LL BE SIMILAR TO THE VISIONING PROCESS. YEAH. I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE THEY ARE. SO. SO THE 13TH IS AN OFF SITE MEETING AT SAINT JOHN'S CHURCH. IS THAT FAITH LUTHERAN FAITH? FAITH LUTHERAN, 4150 GOODLETTE ROAD. OKAY. AND THEN THERE'S TWO. THE ONE IN THE EVENING? YES, AND ONE IN THE MORNING. CHRISTIAN. RIGHT. 
          AND THE ONE IN THE EVENING IS SAME PLACE HERE. THIS THIS GOLD IMAGE ON THE SCREEN SHOWS IT NORTH 10 A.M. FAITH LUTHERAN CHURCH. AND THEN 4:00 PM, THE SOUTH MEETING IS NORRIS COMMUNITY CENTER. ON NOVEMBER 13TH. CORRECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND IN ASSOCIATION WITH THOSE PUBLIC OPEN DOOR MEETINGS FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME AND PARTICIPATE IN A MEETING, THE IDEA IS THAT WE WOULD HAVE QUESTIONNAIRES THAT CAN BE ACCESSIBLE ONLINE A WEEK FROM A WEEK BEFORE THAT MEETING TO THREE WEEKS AFTER THAT MEETING, AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO ANSWER QUESTIONNAIRE QUESTIONS THAT ARE ALSO GOING TO BE CONDUCTED AT THE LIVE MEETINGS, IN PERSON MEETINGS, OKAY. SO THEY'LL BE LIVE MEETINGS, BUT THEY WILL NOT BE BROADCASTED LIVE. THAT IS NOT THE INTENT. CORRECT. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND THE OTHER CHANGE OR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE IN THE FEBRUARY. WAS THAT IT. YEAH. WE CURRENTLY ALREADY PLAN TO REVISIT THE PUBLIC IN FEBRUARY. THAT'S ALREADY THE PLAN. IT'S NOT SCHEDULED BUT IT'S YEAH IT'S NOT A COMMIT. WE HAVEN'T BOOKED THE VENUE BUT FEBRUARY WE INTEND TO HAVE. YEAH. IF YOU REVISIT WITH THE COMMUNITY. SIMILAR TO THE ONES IN NOVEMBER. YES. OKAY. SORRY. AND AGAIN THE QUESTION SO WE HEARD LOUD FROM PB WAS THAT THEY RECOMMEND AGAINST A NOVEMBER MEETING WAS WHAT I THINK IT BOILED DOWN TO THE NOVEMBER MEETINGS. THE NOVEMBER PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS WOULD BE MOVED TO BETWEEN TO JANUARY. I THINK I SAID TO YOU, MISS MARTIN, WHEN WE MET LAST WEEK, THAT I RECALL THAT BEING IN CONVERSATION WITH COUNCIL, I DIDN'T GET THE MINUTES. MAYBE SOMEBODY HAS. WHAT WE HAD SAID ABOUT IT WAS DISCUSSED. THERE WAS ALSO DISCUSSION RELATED TO THE THERE'S AN ELECTION HAPPENING AND THAT IT WOULD BE A VERY BUSY TIME FOR COUNCIL BECAUSE THERE WILL BE A LOT OF CANDIDATE FORUMS AND OTHER MEETINGS HAPPENING IN JANUARY AND EARLY FEBRUARY. SO THE SCHEDULE WAS NEVER FORMALLY CHANGED. BUT THAT IS WHAT THE PAB IS REQUESTING THAT COUNCIL CONSIDER TODAY. OKAY, SO WE DISCUSSED IT, BUT WE DIDN'T TAKE ANY FORMAL ACTION TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES. AND THE CONTRACT SAYS THAT YOU WILL BE IF WE MOVE THOSE DATES FROM NOVEMBER TO FEBRUARY, THAT'S GOING TO BE A CHANGE IN OUR CONTRACT, RIGHT? WE WILL SHIFT KIND OF OUR WORK EFFORT THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT, LEARNING THAT WE GET FROM THE PUBLIC OUTREACH. SO ALL OF THE WORK EFFORT WILL NOW NOT BE BEGINNING IN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS. IT WILL BE BEGINNING LATER IN THE SPRING. AND SO THE SCHEDULE SHIFTS. OKAY. SO IT'LL BE A CHANGE ORDER TO THE COST OF THE CONTRACT. YES. AND PUSH BACK THE FINAL INFORMATION DATE. 
          WE YEAH. WE ESTIMATED A NEW COMPLETION DATE OF MAY 2027 INSTEAD OF DECEMBER 2026. OKAY. 
          AND JUST OUT OF CURIOSITY, WHY WOULD THAT CHANGE THE FINAL PRODUCT? THE VARIABILITY BECOMES WAITING TO HEAR ANY FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT THAT THE COMMUNITY'S FEEDBACK IS WHAT LAUNCHES OUR, YOU KNOW, UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT TO DO WITH OUR COMP PLAN AMENDMENTS. SO WAITING TO HEAR THE FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY UNTIL JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH WILL THEN LAUNCH US INTO OUR DRAFTING HEAVY DRAFTING. AND WE WILL NOT COME BEFORE PLANNING BOARD OR YOU WITH DRAFT MATERIAL IN JUNE, JULY, AUGUST BECAUSE THAT'S DEAD OF SUMMER 
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AND WE CAN'T DO THAT. SEE. SO SO THESE, THESE THESE BLACKOUT PERIODS OF NOT PRESENTING AND YOU KNOW SPEAKING ABOUT OUR WORK WHEN IT'S DEAD, YOU KNOW, DEAD TIME CAUSES THOSE REARRANGEMENTS OF SCHEDULE ON THE NEW SUBMITTED UPDATE. THAT WOULD BE IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE PUBLIC REVIEW ON WORKING DRAFT. YEAH. I'M PULLING UP THE NEW ONE SO EVERYONE CAN SEE I HAVE. YEAH. CORRECT. SO YEAH WE WHEN WE HAVE PUBLIC THAT'S THE. YEAH. THAT'S THE THE BACK AND FORTH THAT WE DO WITH OUR CLIENT ON OUR WORKING DRAFT AND NOT BRINGING THAT TO LIGHT IN THE PUBLIC UNTIL OCTOBER NOVEMBER FOR PAB. OKAY. I'M STILL I'M NOT SURE WHY THAT WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE BECAUSE THAT MEANS FROM MAY TO SEPTEMBER YOU'RE WORKING WITH STAFF, CORRECT. BECAUSE WE WE WE HAVE DECOMPRESSED THE SCHEDULE INSTEAD OF GETTING BEFORE PAB IN APRIL, MAY, MARCH AND APRIL. WE'RE GETTING TO PAB AFTER SUMMER. AND THERE'S NO WAY TO GO TO PAB BEFORE APRIL, WE WOULDN'T HAVE THE DRAFT. WHAT GOES TO. SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY IF THE THE INFORMATION THAT THEY GATHER IN THE PUBLIC MEETING IS WHAT THEY THEN USE TO CREATE THE DRAFT THAT IS REVIEWED BY PAB FROM MAY TO SEPTEMBER, THE YELLOW CHUNK THAT YOU SEE THAT ON THE CURRENT PLAN HAPPENED BETWEEN DECEMBER, JANUARY AND FEBRUARY, WHICH IS THEY'RE DRAFTING THEY'RE COMPILING ALL THE INFORMATION AND DRAFTING THAT THEN CAN'T HAPPEN UNTIL AFTER THOSE PUBLIC MEETINGS. SO THAT CAN'T HAPPEN UNTIL THAT AFTER THAT FEBRUARY PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETING. SO THEN THEY'RE DRAFTING IN FEBRUARY, MARCH AND APRIL, AND THEN YOU DON'T WANT TO GO TO THE PAB IN THE MIDDLE OF SUMMER. YOU WANT THOSE PUBLIC HEARINGS TO BE ALSO IN SEASON, BECAUSE THOSE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE INCREDIBLY USEFUL. 
          THAT'S A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT OPPORTUNITY. THOSE ARE, YOU KNOW, ADVERTISED, AND THEY'RE IN THIS ROOM AND ANYONE CAN COME AND GIVE THEIR FEEDBACK. SO WE DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, PAB TAKES A RECESS IN JULY AND AUGUST. SO ON THIS SCHEDULE IT SAYS NOVEMBER TO PAB. THE PRELIMINARY DRAFT I'M ASSUMING CORRECT. AND THEN WHAT DID THE PREVIOUS SCHEDULE LOOK LIKE? MARCH. MARCH? BECAUSE THEY WERE USING THE INFORMATION THAT THEY GATHERED IN NOVEMBER INSTEAD OF IN FEBRUARY. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT BEING SAID, YES, SIR, I MET WITH KRAMER FROM PAB AND THEIR CONCERN WAS THAT SOMETHING I DON'T WANT TO USE THEIR PHRASE, THAT AN IDEA THAT WAS IMPORTANT TO A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WOULD GET SQUASHED IN NOVEMBER BECAUSE THERE WOULDN'T BE A BIG ENOUGH REPRESENTATION FROM FOLKS THAT ARE GONE DURING OR AREN'T BACK YET WHO AREN'T FULL TIME RESIDENTS. WELL, WHATEVER. THEY'RE LEGAL RESIDENTS, BUT DON'T STAY HERE FULL TIME. CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT, AMELIORATE THAT AND MAKE THAT PALATABLE TO THOSE THE PEOPLE ON THE PAB THAT ARE WORRIED ABOUT THAT? THAT WOULD BE SOME GOOD IDEA THAT GETS CRUSHED. AND IF IT ISN'T BECAUSE IT ISN'T AMPLIFIED ENOUGH IN NOVEMBER, I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE WHAT IDEA IT IS THAT YOU'RE SPEAKING, BUT IT'S IT'S A THEORETICAL ESSENTIALLY, THEY THEY WORK OFF OF THE INFORMATION THAT IS PROVIDED TO THEM. SO WHATEVER IS, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER ATTENDS THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND WHATEVER INFORMATION THEY PROVIDE, THAT'S WHAT THEY HAVE TO WORK OFF OF. SO I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S I DON'T THINK ANY INFORMATION IS GOING TO BE CRUSHED. THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT THE POINT OF A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETING. THEY WILL TAKE IN ANY INFORMATION THAT'S OFFERED. HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO SET THESE UP SO THAT IT'S NOT AN. A FIGHT, YOU KNOW, JUST WELCOMING INFORMATION. BUT I'M JUST I JUST WANT TO ALLEVIATE THAT. WE'RE NOT DIMINISHING AND WE'RE NOT DOING A A POPULARITY CONTEST WITH INPUT. WE'RE WE'RE RECEIVING INPUT FROM EVERYONE IN TREATING IT AS VALUABLE INPUT, REGARDLESS OF IF IT'S I MEAN, WE CAN WE CAN DOCUMENT AND REPORT WE THIS WILL BE ENTIRELY TRANSPARENT. YOU WILL SEE ALL THE INPUT WE GET. WE CAN SORT AND SAY LIKE THAT. THERE'S A HEAVY INCLINATION OF MANY RESIDENTS TO SUPPORT THIS OR NOT SUPPORT THAT. BUT EXACTLY WHAT I WAS GETTING AT AND THAT COULD CHANGE WITH WITH AS WE HAVE MORE MEETINGS. CORRECT? YEAH. THAT'S RIGHT. THEY'RE TESTING THE WATERS NOW AND THEN WE'RE REVISITING AND ALL RIGHT, LIKE ON OUR SCHEDULE TODAY WE'RE REVISITING IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH WITH NOT WITH SOME MORE KNOWLEDGE TO ASK THE PUBLIC MORE INTELLIGENT QUESTIONS BASED ON. AND IT'S NOT THAT'S NOT THE ONLY 
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INFORMATION THAT WILL GO INTO THIS DRAFTING. THERE'S ALSO AND THEY HAVEN'T FINISHED THEIR PRESENTATION YET, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER OPPORTUNITIES. YEAH. TO GATHER THERE'S THE WEBSITE. I MEAN THEY'LL GO THROUGH IT, BUT RIGHT, RIGHT. IT'S NOT WE'RE NOT JUST GOING TO TAKE WHAT COMES FROM THIS MEETING AND THAT'S IT. SO IF YOU DIDN'T ATTEND THIS MEETING, YOU KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO. AND THAT'S WHAT I THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO SAID OUT LOUD. RIGHT. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF RIGHT. AND THEY'LL THEY HAVE THAT. AND I'LL JUST SAY I THINK YOU KNOW COUNCIL WILL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION. BUT I WANT TO TALK TO MR. YOUNG ABOUT THE FACT THAT IF WE DID HAVE HIM IN THIS ROOM AND IT WAS LIVE STREAMED, YOU COULD ALSO HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT LIKE THE COUNTY DOES IN CALLING IN AND YOU HAVE YOUR PUBLIC COMMENT SO IT CAN BE WATCHED. 
          IT'S TRANSPARENT. SO I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT. AND WHETHER CHANGING THE THE CONTRACT AND STAYING ON ON POINT OR NOT. SO I THINK THERE'S TWO POINTS THAT SURE, WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT AND I'M SURE THAT COULD BE ARRANGED. THE MOST IMPORTANT POINT OF THAT THOUGH IS, IS, IS WILL YOU GET THE AND I THINK TO TO MR. KRAMER'S POINT, WHAT THE PAB SAID SPECIFICALLY IS WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE ATTENDANCE WILL BE SUFFICIENT TO GIVE YOU A REPRESENTATIVE EXAMPLE OF OF WHAT THE CITIZENS ARE TRULY FEELING. AND SO THEREFORE, UNLESS IT'D BE LIKE ME HAVING THIS MEETING STARTING AT 2 A.M. AND SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE BUDGET HEARINGS AT 505, YOU SAY YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT A TIME CONDUCIVE TO PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE. AND PAB WAS SAYING, THERE'S TOO MANY PEOPLE GOING, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE REFLECTION OF THE COMMUNITY. AND SO THAT'S ALL THAT THEY WERE SAYING AS FAR AS CAN YOU HAVE IT TAPED? SOME MORE PEOPLE CAN AND HAVE VIEWED IT. WANT TO GET ONLINE TO DO IT? YES. BUT I DON'T THINK YOU EVER GET AROUND THE FACT THAT THE SEASON HAS ITS REPRESENTATIVE POPULATION HERE AND PRESENT AND HAVING THAT ABILITY DURING THOSE TIMES. I DON'T THINK YOU EVER GET AROUND THAT. THAT'S ALWAYS A BETTER SCENARIO, TO GET A BETTER REPRESENTATIVE REFLECTION OF THE COMMUNITY. BUT AGREED. BUT I DON'T WANT TO I WANT TO COME BACK TO THIS COUNCIL MEMBER, AND THEN WE NEED TO START THE PRESENTATION IF YOU WANT TO. I THOUGHT WE WERE TRYING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION AND WHICH CONCLUSION ON THIS. NOW, IF WE'RE NOT, I'D RATHER WAIT. OKAY. LET'S WAIT, LET'S WAIT. I WANT TO GET INTO THE INFORMATION WE HAVE. OKAY. AND PART OF THE PRESENTATION YOU'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING AND HEARING THE FORMATS OF THOSE WORKSHOP, THOSE COMMUNITY WORKSHOP MEETINGS, ETC. SO YOU CAN CAN LEARN WHAT'S ANTICIPATED. SO NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR MORE TECHNICAL AND SUBSTANTIVE INFORMATION ON RELATIVE TO WHERE WE'RE AT IN THE PROJECT. THERE'S BEEN THE COMPLETION OF THE CURRENT CONDITIONS REPORT AND THE COMPLETION OF A SUMMARY OF FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON A REVIEW OF THE CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AGAIN, WANT TO REITERATE, THE SCOPE OF THIS ASSIGNMENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN, AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE TO TAKE THE ELEMENTS OF YOUR VISION, YOUR ADOPTED VISION THAT GOT INCORPORATED IN THE COMP PLAN LAST YEAR, AND WEAVE AND AMPLIFY THOSE ELEMENTS OF THE VISION THROUGHOUT YOUR COMP PLAN. AND THAT IS WHAT WE'RE WE'RE WORKING TOWARD. THE PROJECT WEBSITE IS ALIVE AND WELL. IT'S AT WW NAPLES 2040 5.COM. SOME FOLKS HAVE TYPED IN NAPLES 2045 AND GET A GOOGLE RESULT THAT IS SOMETIMES MAYBE ONE OF OUR COMPANIES, AND THAT IS NOT THE GOAL. AND I KNOW WE HAVE HELP ON THE TECHNICAL REALM OF MAKING THAT WORK BETTER FROM GOOGLE AND DIRECTIONAL STANDPOINT, BUT ANYONE TYPING IN THE ADDRESS WW NAPLES 2445 SHOULD GET OUR PROJECT WEBSITE RIGHT AT THE TOP. NOW THERE'S A CLICK HERE TO SIGN UP FOR PROJECT UPDATES. THERE'S NOW THE DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED AND THAT ARE IN THE BACKUP FOR YOU TO DISCUSS TODAY. THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE ON THE PROJECT WEBSITE AS WELL. AND THEN ALL BACKUP MATERIALS ARE ABOUT 12 OR 13 CITY DOCUMENTS, REPORTS AND BACKUP MATERIALS THAT ARE ON THERE TO INFORM THE PUBLIC OF WHAT BUILDS A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WHAT MATERIALS WE'RE LOOKING AT WHEN WE DO OUR OUR JOB. SO WITH THAT, ANNE KING WITH CLARION IS GOING TO WALK YOU THROUGH THOSE TWO KEY DELIVERABLES THAT WE'VE NOW COMPLETED, THE CURRENT CONDITIONS REPORT AND THE EVALUATION OF THE CURRENT COMP PLAN. SEE WHAT TIME IT IS STILL. MORNING. GOOD MORNING. GLAD TO BE WITH YOU AGAIN, LEANNE KING, DIRECTOR WITH CLARION ASSOCIATES. AND I'M GOING TO BE FOCUSING ON TWO OF THE KEY WORK PRODUCTS THAT WE'VE PRODUCED AT THIS POINT IN THE PROCESS. THE AGAIN, AS LAURA WAS JUST MENTIONING, THIS WORK IS VERY MUCH DRIVEN BY THE VISION ELEMENT OF THE CURRENTLY 
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ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THAT'S KIND OF THE LENS THAT WE'RE USING FOR THE WORK. THE FIRST COMPONENT OF THIS INITIAL FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS REPORT IS WHAT'S CALLED THE CURRENT CONDITIONS REPORT. IT'S NOT AN ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA OF THE CITY OF NAPLES. IT'S REALLY FOCUSING IN ON SOME OF THE CRITICAL ISSUES WITH RESPECT TO THE VISION ELEMENT AND WHAT WE WANT TO BE ACHIEVING THROUGH THIS EFFORT TO UPDATE THE PLAN. SO YOU CAN SEE THERE SOME KIND OF OF THE KEY COMPONENTS THAT WE'RE REALLY FOCUSED IN ON, WHICH ARE BALANCING REDEVELOPMENT AND THE PRESERVATION OF THE CITY'S UNIQUE SMALL TOWN CHARACTER, MANAGING THE PRESSURES OF GROWTH AND DEALING WITH CLIMATE RESILIENCE AND HOW THAT AFFECTS A CITY RESOURCES AND INFRASTRUCTURE. SO I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THE A SUMMARY OF THE DATA THAT'S INCLUDED WITHIN THAT DOCUMENT. AND THEN I'M GOING TO PROVIDE A SUMMARY AS WELL FOR THE SECOND COMPONENT, WHICH IS WHAT WE CALL THE PLAN EVALUATION SUMMARY. SO WHAT WE DID WITH THAT WAS WE WENT THROUGH IT WAS A COLLECTIVE EFFORT. MANY OF OUR TEAMING PARTNERS WORKED TOGETHER ON THIS. AND LOOKED AT YOUR 2024 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN DETAIL. 
          EVERY GOAL POLICY OBJECTIVE INCLUDED WITHIN IT AND IDENTIFIED THROUGH THE LENS OF THE VISION ELEMENT. WHAT COULD BE WHAT WAS MISSING? WHAT COULD BE FURTHER ENHANCED, AND LOOKING FOR KIND OF OPPORTUNITIES TO BETTER IMPLEMENT THE VISION THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO AGAIN, THESE ARE INITIAL FINDINGS WE CLEARLY HAVEN'T HEARD YET FROM THE GREATER PUBLIC. THAT'S WE KIND OF THINK ABOUT THE TECHNICAL ANALYSIS AND COMMUNITY ASPIRATIONS ARE THE TWO KEY INPUTS THAT GO INTO THE PROCESS THAT HELP US MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AND COUNCIL WILL REVIEW IN THE FUTURE. SO THIS IS KIND OF THE TECHNICAL ANALYSIS PIECE. AND THEN AGAIN, FORTHCOMING WILL BE THE COMMUNITY ASPIRATIONS PIECE. EXCUSE ME. SO WITH THAT I'LL I'LL JUMP IN. AGAIN. THIS IS A SUMMARY OF SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE CURRENT CONDITIONS REPORT. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THE KIND OF POPULATION STATISTICS FOR THE CITY, THERE'S BEEN A DECLINE IN BOTH PERMANENT AND PEAK SEASON POPULATION. AND THAT'S IN COMPARISON TO COLLIER COUNTY, WHICH WE'RE NOT SEEING THOSE SAME TYPE OF TRENDS. THAT'S A DIFFERENCE. WE'RE SEEING AN INCREASE. THERE'S ALSO A DECREASE IN HOUSEHOLD SIZE PERSONS PER HOUSEHOLD AND PROGRESSIVELY AGING POPULATION. WE'RE ALL AGING EVERY DAY. SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING UNIQUE THAT'S HAPPENING HERE. IT'S MORE ABOUT THE MEDIAN AGE OF THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT IS WHAT'S PROGRESSING A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY THAN OTHER PARTS OF THE KIND OF SOUTHWEST AREA, INCREASING SEASONAL HOUSING. SO WE HAVE MORE PEOPLE LIVING IN HOUSING FOR SHORTER PERIODS OF TIME WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. SIGNIFICANTLY HIGH MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD INCOME ACROSS THE BOARD, ESPECIALLY COMPARED TO THE COUNTY, LIMITED DEVELOPABLE, VACANT LAND. EVERYONE'S FAIRLY WELL AWARE THIS IS A FAIRLY BUILT OUT COMMUNITY, SO WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT A REDEVELOPMENT SCENARIO MOVING FORWARD WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, AND THAT'S THE REAL ONE OF THE KEY FOCUS AGAIN, OF THIS EFFORT IS HOW WHAT FORM AND CHARACTER SHOULD THAT REDEVELOPMENT COME WITHIN. SO SOME KEY COMPONENTS THAT WE WILL USE THROUGHOUT THIS PROCESS TO HELP US UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GUIDING DEVELOPMENT. REDEVELOPMENT WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY ARE FUTURE LAND USE, WHICH IS THIS IS THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP FROM YOUR CURRENTLY ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT'S AVAILABLE THROUGH THE CITY'S ONLINE MAPPER. IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO LOOK AT IT. WHAT THIS. BASICALLY, EACH PARCEL WITHIN THE CITY'S JURISDICTION HAS AN IDENTIFIED FUTURE LAND USE, AND THERE'S GUIDANCE ABOUT DEVELOPMENT THAT SHOULD OCCUR WITHIN EACH OF THOSE AREAS. GIVEN WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT ANTICIPATED GROWTH DECREASES AND THAT THE CITY'S LARGELY BUILT OUT, WE DO KNOW THAT THE FUTURE LAND USE WILL BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE TEN AND 20 YEAR POPULATION PROJECTIONS, BECAUSE IT'S ACTUALLY A DECLINE OVER TIME IS WHAT IS ANTICIPATED. AND AGAIN, ANY CHANGES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY THAT HAPPEN. 
          WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT REDEVELOPMENT OF EXISTING SITES. THERE ARE A FEW INFILL SITES STILL AVAILABLE. WHEN YOU BREAK THAT DOWN, WE LOOK AT RESIDENTIAL. THIS IS WHAT'S ON THE SCREEN HERE. THESE ARE ALL OF THE VARIOUS RESIDENTIAL CATEGORIES WHERE PURELY RESIDENTIAL IS ALLOWED WITHIN AT DIFFERENT DENSITIES AND DIFFERENT TYPES OF RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS. IT'S A LITTLE MORE THAN HALF OF THE CITY'S JURISDICTION IS WHAT THAT COMPRISES 52.4%. YOU CAN SEE HERE IN THE CORNER THE THE MAJORITY FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY. WITHIN THESE RESIDENTIAL IS THE LOW DENSITY CATEGORY, WHICH IS AT 35.8%. 
          AND THEN YOU CAN SEE KIND OF SLOWLY DECREASING AS YOU MOVE UP THE LIST HERE WITH RESPECT TO NONRESIDENTIAL. AND THAT INCLUDES EVERYTHING INCLUDING DEVELOPMENT AND UNDEVELOPED AREAS SUCH AS CONSERVATION AND RECREATION ARE ALSO INCLUDED IN NONRESIDENTIAL. AGAIN, THAT'S A LITTLE LESS THAN HALF OF THE CITY'S JURISDICTION. SO 47.6% PER THE GIS AND NEARLY HALF OF 
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THAT APPORTIONMENT IS WITHIN THE CONSERVATION AND RECREATION CATEGORY. COLLECTIVELY, THE REMAINING, I BELIEVE 24% IS IN THESE OTHER CATEGORIES LISTED HERE, THE AIRPORT BEING THE LARGEST. IT'S ONE OF YOUR LARGEST SITES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AT 7.7%, COMMERCIAL AT 5.5. AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE REMAINDER LISTED THERE. SO AGAIN, THIS GIVES US KIND OF A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT TYPES OF USES ARE ALLOWED IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COMMUNITY. TODAY. WE ALSO WANT TO LOOK AT ASPECTS OF CHARACTER. SO COMMUNITY CHARACTER IS TYPICALLY DEFINED AS KIND OF THREE DIMENSIONS. THE FIRST IS KIND OF BUILT FORM. SO WHAT IS THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT CHARACTER. THE NEXT IS NATURAL ENVIRONMENTAL CHARACTERISTICS. 
          SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE BEACH OR, YOU KNOW, OPEN SPACES THAT TYPE OF THING. AND THEN THE THIRD IS SOCIAL AND CULTURAL FROM A MEASURABLE STANDPOINT. IN THIS CURRENT CONDITIONS REPORT, WE WERE FOCUSING MORE ON THE BUILT ENVIRONMENT. AND SPECIFICALLY WE DO HAVE SOME ASPECTS OF THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT THAT ARE ALSO INCLUDED WITHIN THAT AS WELL. 
          SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LOOKED AT WAS RECENT AND EMERGING DEVELOPMENT. THIS IS CITYWIDE LOOKING AT DEVELOPMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BETWEEN 2020 AND 2025, THERE ARE 106 TOTAL PROJECTS. YOU CAN SEE THE LIST HERE, 52 COMMERCIAL, 31 MIXED USE AND 23 RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS. AND WE MAPPED THOSE. WE MAPPED THE INTENSITY OF THOSE DEVELOPMENTS SO THAT WE COULD SEE WHERE THEY WERE LOCATED AND THE RELATIVE NATURE PER ACRE OF HOW MANY FOR A RESIDENTIAL PROJECT, HOW MANY DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE WERE IN THAT PROJECT? FOR COMMERCIAL, HOW MANY SQUARE FEET PER ACRE WERE IN THE PROJECT? AND IF IT'S MIXED USE, WE DECIDED WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS PRIMARILY RESIDENTIAL OR NONRESIDENTIAL AND USE THAT TO DEFINE THE INTENSITY FOR THAT PROJECT. SO YOU CAN SEE HERE THAT THERE IS A LOT NOT SURPRISING, YOU KNOW, THE OLDER PARTS OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS WHERE MORE OF THE REDEVELOPMENT IS OCCURRING. 
          THE NEWER PARTS OF YOUR CITY TO THE NORTH, THERE'S LESS REDEVELOPMENT HAPPENING. SO REALLY, YOU'RE KIND OF CORE AREA HERE ALONG TAMIAMI TRAIL AND YOUR DOWNTOWN, OLDER PARTS OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR YOUR COMMUNITY IS WHERE WE'RE SEEING THE REDEVELOPMENT OCCURRING, PARTICULARLY THE MORE INTENSE PROJECTS OCCURRING. SO IF WE KIND OF TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE FROM A DATA STANDPOINT AND BREAK THEM UP, THIS IS AGAIN, RECENT EMERGING DEVELOPMENT. 
          LOOKING AT THE INTENSITY, WHICH IS DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE, SQUARE FEET PER ACRE. AND THEN THIS IS THE ACTUAL KIND OF AMOUNT FOR EACH OF THOSE KIND OF UNITS. LOOKING AT AVERAGE AND MEDIAN FOR THE KIND OF WHOLE 106 PROJECTS. SO COMMERCIAL, YOU CAN SEE HERE THE INTENSITY OF THE AVERAGE IS A LITTLE OVER 12,000FT■!S. THE MEDIAN IS A LITTLE LESS THAN THAT AT 7000FT■!S. WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE TOTALITY OF THE THAT'S A PER ACRE. WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE TOTALITY OF THE PROJECTS, IT'S A LITTLE OVER 26,000 AVERAGE AND ABOUT 10,000, ALMOST 11,000 FROM A MEDIAN STANDPOINT ON THE RESIDENTIAL, THE AVERAGE NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS, BOTH IN TERMS OF DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE AND THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF DWELLING UNITS IS AVERAGE OF EIGHT. WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE INTENSITY, IT'S SIX, BUT THE ACTUAL KIND OF MEDIAN OVER, OVER, ACROSS ALL THE RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS IS TWO. THEN WE MOVE TO LOOKING AT THE BOOKENDS. WHAT ARE THE KIND OF MINIMUM AND MAXIMUM THAT WE'RE SEEING FOR EACH OF THESE PROJECTS? LOOKING AT COMMERCIAL, MIXED USE AND RESIDENTIAL. SO THIS IS WHAT IT TELLS US HERE. 
          SO AGAIN NONRESIDENTIAL IN THE FIRST COLUMN, RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS IN THE SECOND COLUMN OR SECOND SET OF COLUMNS. SO IN TERMS OF THE SIZE OF THE PROJECT'S COMMERCIAL, WE'RE GETTING THE LOWEST WITHIN THAT TIME FRAME AGAIN WAS 900FT■!S. E HIGHEST WAS OVER 250,000FT■!S OF DEVELOPMENT. AND THIS GIVES YOU THE TOTAL ACROSS ALL OF THOSE COMMERCIAL PROJECTS. AND ONE THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS WHEN WE SAY COMMERCIAL, BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE SAYING IS NONRESIDENTIAL. SO THAT COULD INCLUDE SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULDN'T NECESSARILY THINK OF AS COMMERCIAL, SUCH AS KIND OF A HEALTH CARE TYPE SITUATION OF A DEVELOPMENT. FOR MIXED USE. 
          THE MINIMUM WAS 1000FT■!S, AND E MAXIMUM THAT WAS INCLUDED WITHIN THAT PERIOD WAS A LITTLE OVER 125,000FT■!S ON THE DWELLIG UNITS. A LOT OF WHAT WE WERE SEEING IS KIND OF SINGLE, YOU KNOW, SINGLE UNIT REDEVELOPMENTS OCCURRING. SO OUR MINIMUM WAS TWO IN THE MIXED USE 150 FOR THE MAXIMUM RESIDENTIAL WAS ONE AND 51 WAS MAXIMUM. SO THAT WAS A 
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MULTIFAMILY DEVELOPMENT SITUATION. SO AGAIN IT STARTS TO GIVE US AN UNDERSTANDING OF KIND OF WHERE THINGS ARE HITTING ON AVERAGE AND WHAT'S KIND OF THE LOWEST AND HIGHEST IN TERMS OF INTENSITY AND NUMBER OF UNITS THAT WE'RE SEEING ACROSS THE BOARD. AGAIN, THIS IS THE SAME MAP THAT I SHOWED EARLIER. THIS IS JUST EXPLORING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE NORTH, THE COMMUNITY. YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF KIND OF THE SMALL RED DOTS, WHICH ARE THE COMMERCIAL REDEVELOPMENT OPTIONS, EXCUSE ME PROJECTS. 
          AND THEN THE YELLOW ARE THE RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS. THE LARGER ONES ARE AGAIN MORE INTENSE DEVELOPMENTS ON A PER ACRE BASIS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CENTER OF THE CITY AND SOUTH, YOU CAN SEE HERE MORE INTENSIVE USES. AGAIN, THE PURPLE IS MIXED USE, THE RED IS COMMERCIAL AND THE YELLOW ARE THE RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS. SO THAT'S THE THAT IS THE CURRENT CONDITION SUMMARY THAT I'M PROVIDING TO YOU TODAY. BEFORE I JUMP INTO THE PLAN EVALUATION REPORT ON THE POLICY STANDPOINT, I JUST WANT TO PAUSE AND GIVE YOU ALL A CHANCE TO SHARE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE ON THE TECHNICAL ANALYSIS SIDE. YES, I HAD WRITTEN DOWN A COUPLE QUESTIONS THAT I COMMENTS THAT I MADE. ONE IS I THINK THAT AND MAYBE WE WILL GET INTO THAT LATER. ON THE AVERAGE AVERAGE BUILD THAT THAT WE, I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT SINCE WE'RE THIS IS A 20 YEAR LOOK THAT WE OUGHT TO BE LOOKING AT. WHAT IS THE AVERAGE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THESE NEW BUILDS VERSUS, YOU KNOW, IN SOME OF THESE STATISTICS, YOU'RE TAKING THE ENTIRE BUILD OF THE WHOLE CITY AND WHAT IS THE AVERAGE? AND IT GETS LOST IN WHAT THE TREND IS GOING TO BE SO THAT, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME, YOU KNOW, OUR SQUARE FOOTAGE IS LIKE DOUBLING OR TRIPLING AND THE LOT COVERAGE IS IS GETTING SIGNIFICANTLY MORE. WHEN YOU DILUTE THAT WITH THE REST OF THE CITY, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A PEANUT. BUT THIS IS A TREND THAT'S GOING TO CONTINUE AS LAND VALUES STAY HIGH. AND I THINK IT'S GOING TO MAKE A MARKED DIFFERENCE AT THE LOOK AND FEEL OF OUR CITY OUT AT 20 YEARS. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE NEW, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT IS HAPPENING ON THE NEW BUILD AND REMOVE THE WHAT'S EXISTING OR AT LEAST HAVE ANOTHER PAGE IN THERE THAT SORT OF SAYS WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON FOR US DECISION MAKERS ON THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE CITY AS WE GO OUT INTO THE HORIZON. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THAT INFORMATION AS WELL. SO JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION. THE MAPS AND THE DATA THAT I JUST WALKED THROUGH IS ONLY THE PROJECTS THAT WERE FROM 2020 TO 2025, THOSE APPROVED PROJECTS. SO IT DID NOT INCLUDE EXISTING DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE CITY. IT WAS JUST THOSE 106 REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. WHAT WHAT WHAT WAS INCLUDED? WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THAT? SO THESE TABLES HERE AND THIS MAP HERE, THESE ARE THE THE 106 POINTS THAT ARE LOCATED ON THE MAP. ARE EACH OF THOSE 106 PROJECTS. SO THE 52 COMMERCIAL, 31 MIXED USE AND 23 RESIDENTIAL PROJECTS. SO THOSE ARE ONLY NEW PROJECTS COMING FORWARD FOR APPROVAL AND GETTING APPROVAL WITHIN THAT 2020 TO 2025 TIME FRAME. THIS WAS GOING FURTHER INTO YOUR DECK. OKAY. YOU START LOOKING AT SATURATION. YOU KNOW, LIKE THE AVERAGE SQUARE FOOTAGE, THE AVERAGE LOT COVERAGE, THERE'S THAT GET COMPLETELY DILUTED BY THE REST OF THE REST OF THE CITY. AND THAT IS NOT THE TREND. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE MISLEADING US INTO THE FUTURE. 
          OKAY. SO THAT'S THAT'S ONE PIECE. THE OTHER WAS LET'S SEE. WELL I'LL MAKE MY COMMENTS LATER BECAUSE I'VE GOT I HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS ON AVERAGE AGE RANGES. AND SO HOW WE'RE BREAKING THOSE, GIVEN THAT WE HAVE AN AVERAGE AGE OF 68 YEARS OLD, THAT NOT TO MAYBE TO BREAK IT, 60 INSTEAD OF 60 TO 79, 80 PLUS MAYBE 60 TO 75, 75 PLUS, BECAUSE WE HAVE A HUGE CHUNK OF PEOPLE WITHIN THOSE LITTLE BRACKETS. CAN I ASK? SO WE'RE WE'RE GETTING THE INFORMATION. 
          ME KNOW THIS. FROM THIS REPORT ON THAT TO ANSWER HER QUESTION. SURE. SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT SOURCES. ANYTHING THAT'S WITH RESPECT TO. DEMOGRAPHICS OF YOUR COMMUNITY. 
          WE ALSO GET THE KIND OF AGE OF PROPERTIES FROM CENSUS. SO IT'S EITHER DECENNIAL CENSUS 2010 2020 OR AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY FOR 2023 DATA, WHICH IS KIND OF THE INCREMENTS IN BETWEEN. AND THEN WHAT WAS THE 2023 ONE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY, WHICH IS ALSO PART OF 
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CENSUS? IT'S JUST NOT THE DECENNIAL CENSUS. THEY DO SURVEYS OF A KIND OF INSTEAD OF EVERY HOUSEHOLD GETTING A SURVEY, IT'S DECENNIAL CENSUS. THEY DO THESE SURVEYS IN BETWEEN. AND EVERY YEAR IT'S A, YOU KNOW, A SAMPLING OF YOUR COMMUNITY TO FIND OUT WHAT THE CHANGES ARE THAT ARE HAPPENING WITHIN THOSE IN BETWEEN YEARS OF THE DECENNIAL CENSUS. OKAY. 
          AND THEN THERE IS LOCAL DATA AS WELL, ANYTHING THAT'S REALLY MAPPED AND DEVELOPMENT SPECIFIC, THAT IS WORK. THAT'S DATA THAT WE COLLECTED THROUGH PLANNING DEPARTMENT. WHAT'S THE LOCAL DATA. SO THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT I WAS JUST SHARING AND THE STATISTICS RELATED TO EACH OF THOSE PROJECTS, THAT'S ALL LOCALLY DEVELOPED DATA FROM THE CONSULTANT WITH ALL OF ALL THE SITE PLANS THAT HAVE COME THROUGH. RIGHT. JUST THE PROJECT. OKAY. THANK YOU. INFORMATION. OKAY. AND WHY DID WE BREAK IT IN 2020? BECAUSE THERE WERE SIGNIFICANT, YOU KNOW, IMPACTS THAT WE ARE SEEING TODAY THAT FROM SITE PLANS THAT WERE, YOU KNOW, DONE YEARS YOU KNOW YEARS BEFORE LIKE IS OLD IS THE OLD NAPLES IN INCLUDED IN THAT OLD NAPLES IN YOU KNOW THE ON THIRD STREET THE. 20 THAT'S A 2017 PROJECT. 
          SO THAT WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED. BUT YET THAT IS GOING TO GREATLY IMPACT THAT ENTIRE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS, I THINK, THAT WOULD HELP INFORM OUR DECISIONS TO ADD THOSE IN THERE. THE NAPLES BEACH CLUB IS ANOTHER BIG ONE. YOU KNOW, WHEN I CALCULATED THE SQUARE FOOTAGE FOR ALL THE DEVELOPMENT ALONG THE ALONG GULF SHORE BOULEVARD, IT WAS, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN FIVE TIMES THE AMOUNT OF CEMENT BEING PUT DOWN THERE VERSUS WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE. AND I THINK THAT IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE THE TREND. SO IT WOULD BE YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WASN'T CLEAR TO PAD THE SITE. PLANS HAVE COME BACK INDIVIDUALLY FOR THE PHASES. SO THOSE THOSE ONES WERE OKAY. BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, PICKING UP ALL THE MAJOR ONES THAT ARE THAT THAT IMPACTED IT. AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF 2020 SEEMS ARBITRARY ON WHERE WE DECIDED TO CUT IT OFF. I WOULD CUT IT OFF AT 2015 TO ADD THOSE ADDITIONAL IN THERE TO PICK UP ALL THE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF NAPLES SQUARE GOES IN THERE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THE 1111. IT LOOKS LIKE THE HOTEL WAS INCLUDED. I'M LOOKING AT I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. ALL THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE GIANT BUILDINGS AND THEN THE, YOU KNOW, IT IS CHANGING OUR OUR CITY, THE THAT YOU DON'T GET A PICTURE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, YOU KNOW, AT THESE DOTS THAT YOU KNOW, IT'S MISSING THE BIG MAJOR, THE BIG MAJOR PROJECTS. SO AND WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A COMPLETE LIST HERE. BUT I HEARD NAPLES SQUARE, OLD NAPLES THEN AND NAPLES BEACH CLUB IS KIND OF THREE IMPORTANT ONES THAT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE TAKING A LOOK AT. ARE THERE ARE THEY NOT IN THIS REPORT? THEY ARE I THINK THAT, YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M KIND OF I DON'T KNOW WHAT PAGE THIS IS 14 OF 28 IN THE ATTACHMENT. SO I'M NOT SURE WHAT PAGE IT IS IN THERE. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IF WE'RE LOOKING AT THE CENTER AND SOUTH RECENT AND EMERGING DEVELOPMENT CENTER IN SOUTH, I DO SEE A DOT ON THE WHAT IS NOW THE OLD NAPLES HOTEL. I DO SEE DOTS ON NAPLES SQUARE. MAYBE. MAYBE IT'D BE BEST THAT THE COUNCIL, WITH THE DATA THAT YOU GAVE TO. JOHNSON ENGINEERING. IT WAS JUST THE SITE PLAN LIST, BUT I, I MEAN, I CAN, BUT IT WAS IT'S THE SITE PLAN LIST THAT WAS PUBLISHED. ANOTHER DIFFERENT SITE PLANS FOR DIFFERENT PIECES OF NAPLES SQUARE WHERE YOU'VE GOT. YES. 
          SO THEY INDIVIDUALLY THEY CAME IN INDIVIDUALLY. SO LIKE ENCORE WAS ITS OWN SITE PLAN CPAD, WHICH IS THE OTHER COMMERCIAL PARCEL, WAS ITS OWN SITE PLAN. AND THAT'S WHY YOU SEE MULTIPLE DOTS ON NAPLES SQUARE. AND YET SOME ARE MISSING BECAUSE THEY WERE BEFORE 2020. YEAH, THE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, THE FIRST THREE RESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS WERE BEFORE. BUT YEAH, I MEAN THAT THAT'S SIGNIFICANTLY, YOU KNOW, ADDS TO THE LOOK AND THE FEEL THAT THAT I THINK OUR RESIDENTS ARE SEEING THAT THOUGHT BACK IT UP A COUPLE OF YEARS, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN A LOT OF CHANGES WERE TAKING PLACE. THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME INTERRUPT. I JUST WANTED THOSE DETAILS OKAY OKAY. THANK YOU. OTHER I DO, BUT I'LL WAIT UNTIL THAT TILL, YOU KNOW, FURTHER FURTHER DOWN TO TALK ABOUT THESE MANY ITEMS. YEAH. IF THERE'S ANYTHING FROM ANYONE ELSE ON THAT. OH, SORRY VICE MAYOR. YEAH. JUST ONE QUESTION ON THE SLIDE FOR KEY FINDINGS. AND THEN IT'S FUTURE LAND USE. AND THEN THERE'S THE CHART. THE COLOR CODED CHART. 
          AND IT'S PRIMARILY COMMERCIAL. NOT THAT ONE. NOT THIS ONE. NO. YOU MAY HAVE JUST PASSED IT, 
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BUT I WILL RIGHT THERE OKAY. SO I'M JUST LOOKING THROUGH THESE ACREAGES OF DIFFERENT AREAS OF OUR COMMUNITY. AND COULD YOU JUST TELL US HOW YOU CAME UP WITH THE ACREAGE FOR THE AIRPORT? SO THAT IS BASED ON THE FUTURE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THE THE KIND OF AIRPORT FUTURE LAND USE CATEGORY. SO IT'S BASED ON THE GIS. THEY'RE CALLED POLYGONS THAT APPLY OVER TOP OF. SO IT MAY BE INCLUSIVE OF SOME PORTION OF THE AIRPORT AND OTHER AREAS, BUT THAT'S BASED ON THE ACTUAL GIS OF THE FUTURE LAND USE POLYGON. IT'S NOT A PARCEL SPECIFIC THING. 
          IT'S BASED ON THE GEOGRAPHY THAT APPLIES ACROSS PARCELS. IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING THE THAT EVEN THE AIRPORT DOCUMENTS USE A DIFFERENT NUMBER THAN THAT AND IT'S HIGHER. SO JUST SOMETHING THAT YOU MAY WANT TO WE CAN LOOK AT THAT. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAD NUMBER. THANK YOU. AND THEN AGAIN FOR THE STATISTICS ON. A NOT A POPULATION THAT'S NOT GROWING. 
          WHERE DID THOSE THREE ARE THE ONLY PLACES THAT YOU GOT YOUR INFORMATION FROM THE CENSUS FROM 2010. AND THEN THE AMERICAN COMMUNITY SURVEY. SO CRISSY FULLER ASKED CRISSY TO COME UP BECAUSE SHE ASSISTED WITH THE PREPARATION OF THE DEMOGRAPHIC STATISTICS. GOOD AFTERNOON. IF YOU'LL RECALL, WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON YOUR EVALUATION APPRAISAL REPORT LAST YEAR, WE UPDATED YOUR COMMUNITY PROFILE AND THE FUTURE LAND USE ELEMENT, AND WE PULLED THAT DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION. SO WE'VE NOW UPDATED IT WITH ONE MORE NEW YEAR, BECAUSE WE'RE ONE MORE YEAR INTO IT. SO THAT INFORMATION ON PROJECTIONS COMES FROM THE SCHOENBERG. CENTER FOR HOUSING STUDIES. THAT'S WHO DOES THE POPULATION PROJECTIONS. AND THEY THEY DO IT BASED ON THE 2010 AND THE 2020 CENSUS DATA. BIEBER DOES IT AT THE COUNTY LEVEL. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH BIEBER, AND DID YOU USE THAT INFORMATION? BUT ONLY FOR THE COUNTY. FOR THE COUNTY, YES, YES, YES. AND I ALSO CONTACTED THEM LAST YEAR WHEN WE WERE PULLING THAT INFORMATION TO TALK TO THEM ABOUT THE. BUT WE'RE PART OF THE COUNTY, SO IT MUST HAVE BEEN PART OF THAT. CORRECT. BUT THEY DO IT AS THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE. IT DOESN'T BREAK IT DOWN INTO THE SPECIFIC CITY DEMOGRAPHIC. OKAY. THE PROJECTIONS. YES. THANK YOU. OKAY, OKAY. NO MORE QUESTIONS. MOVE ON. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THE SECOND WORK PRODUCT THAT WE'RE PRESENTING A SUMMARY OF TODAY IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN EVALUATION REPORT. SO AGAIN THIS IS WHERE THE TEAM THROUGH THE LENS OF THE VISION ELEMENT WENT THROUGH EVERY GOAL OBJECTIVE AND POLICY WITHIN YOUR CURRENTLY ADOPTED 2024 PLAN AND IDENTIFIED SOME INITIAL RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON THE GUIDANCE THAT'S IN THE VISION DOCUMENT AND BEST PRACTICES RELATED TO THOSE TOPICS. SO THERE WERE FIVE OVERARCHING CONCEPTS THAT WE WANTED TO TOUCH UPON TODAY. THE FIRST WAS TO INTEGRATE RESILIENCE THROUGHOUT THE PLAN, NOT JUST PARTICULARLY IN ONE ELEMENT OR ANOTHER, BUT TO LOOK AT OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THAT IN ALL ELEMENTS OF THE PLAN. THE SECOND IS TO ESTABLISH THE CONCEPT OF PLACE KEEPING. IT SEEMS LIKE THAT IS AN IMPORTANT OPPORTUNITY WITH RESPECT TO PROTECTING COMMUNITY CHARACTER. YOU MAY HAVE HEARD THE TERM PLACEMAKING THAT'S TYPICALLY ORIENTED TOWARDS NEW DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE'RE SEEING IN WHAT'S IN THE VISION ELEMENT, THIS CONCEPT OF PLACE KEEPING, WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE, AND THAT HISTORICALLY YOU'VE HAD THAT THAT'S AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT. SO THERE'S SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THAT IN THE PLAN. INFUSING CHARACTER INTO YOUR GROWTH POLICIES. SO THERE IS GUIDANCE WITH RESPECT TO TYPES OF USES AND LAND USES AND DENSITIES. BUT WE RECOMMEND THAT CHARACTER IS MORE THAN JUST THAT. AND SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME OTHER ASPECTS OF CHARACTER THAT WE COULD INCORPORATE WITHIN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IMPLEMENTING THE GREEN JEWEL CONCEPT AND GETTING A LITTLE BIT MORE DEFINITION FOR WHAT THAT MEANS AND HOW THAT WILL BE PROVIDED WITHIN THE COMMUNITY IS SOMETHING WE'RE RECOMMENDING. AND THEN MAKING THE PLAN MORE ACTIONABLE, MAKING CLEAR WHAT IS A POLICY THAT GUIDES DECISION MAKING VERSUS AN ACTION THAT NEEDS FOLLOW UP KIND OF ATTENTION AND IMPLEMENTATION? SO THOSE ARE THE FIVE OVERARCHING CONCEPTS OF THAT REPORT. THE BULK OF THAT REPORT IS REALLY, AGAIN, GOING THROUGH USING THE FRAMEWORK OF THE VISION ELEMENT. WHAT DOES THE CURRENT 2024 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DO TODAY? WHAT COULD IT DO BETTER? WHAT IS IT MISSING WITH RESPECT TO EACH OF THE VISION ELEMENTS. SO THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAILED INFORMATION. AND THEN FINALLY THAT REPORT INCLUDES AS 
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WE WERE WORKING THROUGH IT, WE WERE IDENTIFYING QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD AS THE PROJECT TEAM ABOUT WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE COMMUNITY WITH RESPECT TO SOME OF THESE INTERESTS THAT WILL HELP US KIND OF BETTER INFORM AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS WITH RESPECT TO HOW YOU MIGHT WANT TO BE CHANGING YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN POLICY. THAT'S IN THE VISION VALIDATION SECTION. THAT WAS WHAT WAS LEVERAGED TO HELP US CREATE THE QUESTIONNAIRE AND THE ACTIVITIES FOR THE WORKSHOPS THAT WILL BE SHARED HERE IN JUST A MOMENT. SO I'LL PAUSE THERE AND SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR YOU. KRISTEN. YEAH, I DID HAVE A REACTION TO THIS SECTION WHEN I LOOKED LOOKED AT IT AT THE REPORT AND MY MY REACTION WAS THAT THIS COMPRISES A VERY, VERY LONG TO DO LIST FOR OUR STAFF. LOOKING OUT OVER THE NEXT YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AND I. AND IT ALSO HAS ENORMOUS. IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO TAKE ALL THIS AND SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO IT, THE COST IMPLICATIONS ARE ENORMOUS. NOW, I RECOGNIZE THAT A LOT THAT'S IN HERE ARE THINGS THAT RELATE TO INITIATIVES AND PROJECTS THAT ARE ALREADY UNDERWAY, LIKE IN THE STORMWATER AREA AND SO ON. BUT I JUST WANTED TO GET YOUR THOUGHTS AS YOU, YOU KNOW, GIVEN YOUR EXPERIENCE AND GOING THROUGH THESE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATES, HOW DO YOU HOW DO WE RECONCILE THAT SO THAT WE DON'T END UP WITH A WISH LIST OF INITIATIVES THAT WE'RE NEVER GOING TO GET TO AND WHICH THEN CREATES, ON THE ONE HAND, EXPECTATIONS AND FURTHER DOWN THE ROAD SOMETIMES DISAPPOINTMENT. GOOD QUESTION. 
          SO I THINK AN IMPORTANT PART OF THE TITLE OF THIS REPORT IS INITIAL RECOMMENDATIONS. AND THIS IS BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY PUBLIC INPUT AT THIS POINT. SO WE'RE KIND OF THROWING EVERYTHING OUT THERE THAT WE COULD SEE AS WE WALKED THROUGH AS PROFESSIONAL PLANNERS, THAT COULD BE DONE TO KIND OF HELP IMPLEMENT ALL OF THE COMPONENTS OF THE VISION ELEMENT. THAT BEING SAID, I THINK IT WE ANTICIPATE THAT AS WE MOVE THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROCESS AND GET FEEDBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY, WE WILL BE ABLE TO HONE IN ON THE KEY ISSUES THAT ARE REALLY MOST IMPORTANT AND ON THE MINDS OF RESIDENTS THAT WE WANT TO BE FOCUSING IN ON AND MAKING KIND OF HARDER RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT, WELL, MAYBE THIS IS LESS IMPORTANT AND THAT BUT THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT. WHATEVER THE THIS IS THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, CITIZENS ARE TALKING ABOUT AND GIVING FEEDBACK ON THAT WILL HELP US PRIORITIZE OR RECOMMEND PRIORITIES TO PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD AND TO COUNCIL WITH RESPECT TO HOW YOU MIGHT WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE EFFICIENTLY USING DOLLARS AND STAFF TIME, DOES THAT HELP? I THINK SO, YOU KNOW, BUT BUT IT'S. I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU JUST SAID, BUT I STILL THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IT'S NOT JUST COUNCIL, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR OUR STAFF, STARTING WITH OUR CITY MANAGER, TO BE ENGAGED IN THIS PROCESS AND TO BRING MAKE SURE WE HAVE THERE'S THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH BANDWIDTH AND CAPACITY THAT ANY ORGANIZATION HAS. I MEAN, CAPACITY NOT JUST IN TERMS OF FINANCIAL RESOURCES, BUT STAFF RESOURCES AND AND WHAT GOES WITH THAT? TO BE ABLE TO WORK THINGS THROUGH A SYSTEM. AND, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF A TIME WE'RE LOOKING AT A 20 YEAR TIME HORIZON FOR THIS. AND, AND AND I ASSUME THIS IS THINKING IN TERMS OF 20 YEARS TOO. BUT IN ANY IN ANY PLAN IN MY EXPERIENCE ANYWAY, ANY PLANNING EXERCISE, IF YOU'RE IF YOU HAVE A 20 YEAR HORIZON, THE FIRST FIVE YEARS ARE WHAT REALLY MATTER, RIGHT? BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO GET DONE FIRST. RIGHT. 
          MOMENTUM FROM THE PLANNING. AND SO I JUST THINK THAT HAVING SOME REALITY CHECKS BUILT INTO THIS IN SOME, IN SOME WAY IS GOING TO BE REALLY IMPORTANT. OKAY. THANK YOU. KRAMER. YEAH. 
          I JUST WANT TO REITERATE EXACTLY WHAT MR. KRISEMAN SAID. AND I DON'T WANT TO UPSET ANYBODY BECAUSE WELL DONE. BEAUTIFUL DOCUMENT. BUT YOU'VE GOT EIGHT PAGES OF A VISION 
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DOCUMENT AND IT'S. IT'S LIKE I'M A FOOTBALL COACH. ANY SPORT, YOU HAVE A PLAYBOOK. YOU CAN'T RUN EVERYTHING. LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU ACTUALLY GOING TO CALL WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING TO GET DONE. AND I SEE THIS AS ASPIRATIONAL AND AND BASICALLY YOU COULD SHOW IF ALL IT WAS WAS THE DOCUMENT, THEN EVERYONE SHOULD BE HAPPY. UNFORTUNATELY, IT'S NOT JUST THE DOCUMENT TO MR. KRISEMAN'S POINT. AND SO AT SOME POINT. WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE REALLY GOING TO DO. AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT FOR THIS BODY TO BEAR IN MIND AS WE GET LOBBIED BY EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD, EVERY SECTION. EVERYBODY HAS THE THING THAT THEY WANT TO SAY, YOU MIGHT NOT GET WHAT YOU WANT. JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE. THANKS. WELL, YEAH, I HAVE THERE. I COULD ASK YOU ALL KINDS OF QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DETAILS OF THIS SLIDE, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT RECOGNITION PROGRAMS ARE. THE DETAILS IN THIS POLICY REVIEW FINDING IS VERY INTERESTING, BUT WE'LL MOVE FORWARD. THANKS. THANKS. I'M I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MAKE IT GO FULL CIRCLE A LITTLE BIT. AND THE REASON I SAY THAT IS I THINK MR. CUSHMAN AND MR. KRAMER'S EXACTLY RIGHT. BUT I DON'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT THE THIS COMP PLAN IS, IS NOT HAPPENING IN A VACUUM EITHER. THE RESILIENCY COMMITTEE IS MEETING WITH THEM AFTER WE FINISH THAT. WE'VE MET, AT LEAST I THINK TWO TIMES NOW. AND SO HAVING A FRAMEWORK TO KNOW, TO BUILD THE BRIDGE BETWEEN ASPIRATION AND EXECUTION IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP EVERYBODY IN THE LOOP IN IS ALONG THE WAY. SO AND THE 20 YEAR HORIZON IS ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD ONE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN OPERATING UNDER ON THE 20 YEAR, THE THE FIRST 282 MILLION IN STORMWATER. I THINK THE ONE THING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE IS WHEN WE HAVE AN ASPIRATION, THE MORE WE CAN BUILD INTO IT, WHETHER IT'S GOVERNMENTAL OR ENTERPRISE, SO THAT WE KNOW WHAT'S DOABLE AND WHAT'S NOT, AND WHERE THE POTS OF MONEY AND FUNDING COME FROM. 
          SO I THINK AS WE MARCH THROUGH THIS TOGETHER AND BUILDING THAT FOUNDATION BETWEEN GOVERNMENTAL EXPENDITURE, WHICH MEANS PREDOMINANTLY PROPERTY TAXES OR SOME OTHER REVENUE STREAM, OR IF IT'S ENTERPRISE FUND FEE BASED, I THINK THOSE ARE THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WILL MELD THAT TO AN EXECUTABLE PLAN. SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. BUT I ALSO WANTED YOU TO KNOW THAT EVERY PART OF THE RESILIENCY, INCLUDING WHAT WE'VE GOT IN THE NEXT CAPITAL PLAN HAS BEEN, IS BEING DISCUSSED, AND WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT TOGETHER. SO I HOPE THESE ARE THE BUILDING BLOCKS TO COME TOGETHER TO CREATE THAT, THAT NETWORK OF PLANS. SO I'LL JUST SAY THAT THANK YOU. AND THIS IS THAT WAS A GOOD SEGUE. I'M GOING TO HAND IT OFF TO AARON DADDY WHO'S GOING TO TALK ABOUT RESILIENCY. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS AARON. DADDY I WORK OUT OF DELRAY BEACH, FLORIDA AND WORK WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FROM KEY WEST TO PENSACOLA. AND WHAT I DO IS HELP TAKE OUTCOMES OF RESILIENCY AND VULNERABILITY PLANNING EFFORTS AND PUT THEM INTO COMPREHENSIVE PLANS AND CODES. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I SPECIALIZE IN. SO THE CITY HAS BEEN DOING A LOT WITH YOUR VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT, YOUR ADAPTATION PLAN, YOUR STORMWATER WORK. YOU HAVE A WATERSHED MASTER PLAN THAT'S IN PROCESS RIGHT NOW THROUGH A GRANT THAT YOU RECEIVE THROUGH FDM, AWARE OF THE SHORELINE WORK THAT YOU HAVE GOING ON AND THOSE POLICY DISCUSSIONS. I DID ATTEND VIRTUALLY, YOUR VERY ROBUST RESILIENCY WORKSHOP A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO. SO THAT WAS EXTREMELY HELPFUL TO WATCH THAT DISCUSSION AND JUST GET A LANDSCAPE OF EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE GOING ON RIGHT NOW, WHICH IS A LOT. AND THAT'S WHY THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE THAT WORK THAT YOU'VE BEEN DOING THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, PULL OUT THOSE PRIORITIES AND PUT THEM INTO A POLICY FRAMEWORK. SOME OF THAT MAKES SENSE WITHIN THE COMP PLAN. 
          SOME OF IT MAKES SENSE WITHIN THE CODE. AND SO ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT YOU CAN DO FROM A RESILIENCY STANDPOINT IN THIS COMP PLAN UPDATE IS MANAGING PEOPLE'S EXPECTATION EXPECTATIONS, BECAUSE THERE'S REALLY TWO POTS OF POLICY WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT RESILIENCY. 
          THERE'S THE POT THAT YOU ARE ADOPTING OR LOOKING AT YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE, HOW YOU MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT STORMWATER ROADS, WHAT THOSE PRIORITIES POTENTIALLY ARE. PART OF YOUR VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT WAS TO IDENTIFY THE CITY'S ASSETS, LOOK AT VARIOUS MODES OF FLOOD RISK, AND FIGURE OUT WHEN THOSE ASSETS ARE GOING TO BE IMPACTED AND WHEN, BY WHAT TYPE OF FLOOD RISK. SO THERE'S CITY ASSETS, CITY INFRASTRUCTURE. THE OTHER PIECE OF THE EQUATION IS WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO DO WITH THEIR OWN INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES AND BUSINESSES. AND 
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SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE TWO, TWO LEGS, SO TO SPEAK. AND IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO ADDRESS BOTH BECAUSE THE TYPES OF POLICIES THAT YOU WOULD UNDERTAKE FOR ONE, ARE NOT THE SAME TYPES OF POLICIES THAT YOU WOULD UNDERTAKE FOR THE OTHER, AND MANAGING WHAT YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES ARE, YOU KNOW, IS IT REALLY THE CITY'S RESPONSIBILITY TO BE SAVING INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES VERSUS THE ASSETS AND INFRASTRUCTURE THAT THAT SERVE THOSE? AND SO HAVING THAT COMMUNITY CONVERSATION AND MANAGING THOSE EXPECTATIONS ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE CAN SEE IN THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS REALLY, REALLY IMPORTANT. AND I THINK WITH THE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT, YOU HAVE THAT CONVERSATION, YOU HAVE THOSE PRIORITIES. YOU'VE HAD THAT WITH THE CITY'S ASSETS. NOW IT'S KIND OF MANAGING THOSE EXPECTATIONS ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO DO ON THE PRIVATE PROPERTY SIDE OF THE EQUATION. AND ONE THING THAT I THINK IS IMPORTANT IN THAT IS LOOKING AT THE LEVEL OF SERVICE, FOR INSTANCE, THE STORMWATER LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW, POSSIBLY SEEING HOW THAT MAY BE IMPACTED BY TIDAL FLOODING, A TIDAL WATER CONDITION. THERE ARE TOOLS THAT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS HAVE USED TO BETTER REFLECT WHAT THAT STORMWATER LEVEL OF SERVICE CAN POTENTIALLY BE, AS YOU HAVE INCREASED TIDAL FLOODING. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I WAS OUT IN MY COMMUNITY THIS WEEKEND SNAPPING PHOTOS LIKE I ALWAYS DO EVERY KING TIDE SEASON, AND IT WAS A PARTICULARLY HIGH KING TIDE, AT LEAST THAT I SAW THIS WEEKEND. 
          SO WHAT IS THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE? WHAT IS THAT PERFORMANCE FOR FLOOD PROTECTION GOING TO LOOK LIKE AS WE SEE MORE OF THAT? TIDAL FLOODING, I THINK IS AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION. AND TO THE PREVIOUS POINT, THAT HAS A HUGE ECONOMIC IMPLICATION IN TERMS OF RETROFITTING AND MANAGING ASSETS AND WHAT THAT MEANS ON DOWN THE LINE. AND I WILL TELL YOU AS A PROFESSIONAL DOING THIS, MY THOUGHT PROCESS ON THAT HAS EVOLVED SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS. YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ADAPT TO EVERYTHING, SO IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT IN MANAGING THOSE EXPECTATIONS THAT YOU'RE NOT COMMITTING TO THAT IN YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THAT YOU'RE MAINTAINING FLEXIBILITY. YOU MAY JUST END UP MAINTAINING CERTAIN INFRASTRUCTURE RATHER THAN ADAPTING IT, BECAUSE THE COST MAY NOT MAKE SENSE FROM A RETURN ON INVESTMENT STANDPOINT. SO ALL OF THOSE ARE DECISIONS AND THINGS THAT YOU WILL BAKE INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND AS LEANNE MENTIONED, MY PHILOSOPHY IS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE THE ENTIRETY OF THE COMP PLAN, EVERY SINGLE ELEMENT THROUGH A RESILIENCY LENS, NOT JUST THE COASTAL ELEMENT OR THE CONSERVATION ELEMENT, BUT ALL OF THEM, INCLUDING CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, YOU KNOW, SO WE ARE REVIEWING THOSE DOCUMENTS, VERY FAMILIAR WITH VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENTS AND ADAPTATION PLANS AND THE OUTCOMES AND HOW TO TAKE THOSE AND DRIVE POLICY THROUGH THE VARIOUS ELEMENTS OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND IDENTIFYING THOSE HIGH FLOODING AREAS, THOSE THAT ARE IMPACTED BY RAINFALL VERSUS THOSE THAT ARE IMPACTED BY TIDAL FLOODING AND RAINFALL. AT THE SAME TIME, THAT'S A DIFFERENT RESPONSE STRATEGY THAT YOU WANT TO LOOK AT. SO, YOU KNOW, OUR WORK IS INFORMED BY WORKING WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THAT ARE TAKING THESE PERSPECTIVES. WE HAVE COMMUNITIES THAT ARE ADOPTING POLICIES RIGHT NOW. AND A LOT OF THOSE POLICIES THAT I MENTIONED WITH REGARD TO CITY INFRASTRUCTURE AND CITY ASSETS AND CITY DECISION MAKING, ARE NOT IMPLICATED BY SENATE BILL 180 AT ALL, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT DEALING WITH MORE RESTRICTIVE OR BURDENSOME REGULATIONS THAT DEAL WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY HERE THAT I SEE EVEN IN THE EXISTING LANDSCAPE, WHICH HOPEFULLY WILL BE MODIFIED OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS AND MONTHS. BUT I SEE A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY DESPITE THAT. AND THERE ARE LOCAL COMMUNITIES THAT ARE WORKING THROUGH THOSE ISSUES AND ADOPTING POLICIES RIGHT NOW RELATED TO RESILIENCY. SO I'LL TURN IT BACK OVER TO THE TEAM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD AFTERNOON. NOW MY NAME IS CHRIS SELA WITH CMA OUTREACH. 
          AND I'M HERE JUST TO KICK OFF THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT, WHICH IS PHASE TWO WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. WE WENT TO THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL ON SEPTEMBER 29TH. THAT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL. AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT LATER. AND THEN THE WORKSHOP, WHICH YOU'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT LAST WEEK. AND THEN TODAY WE'RE HERE FOR CITY COUNCIL AND I'LL DISCUSS OUR OUTREACH AND NOTIFICATION METHODOLOGY HERE IN A MINUTE. CURRENTLY, OUR COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES THAT WE HAVE SCHEDULED ARE THE DRAFT SURVEY QUESTIONNAIRE THAT WE ARE FINALIZING AND TENTATIVELY, THE COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS ON ON NOVEMBER 13TH. WE HAVE THE WEBSITE, THE NAPLES 
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2040 5.COM, AND WE'VE HAD 1776 HITS TODAY. TO DATE, WE HAVE 130 PEOPLE SIGNED UP FOR OUR EMAIL BLAST LIST. WE HAVE ALREADY RECEIVED 20 COMMENTS EVEN THOUGH WE HAVEN'T REALLY GOT STARTED. WE EXPECTED AN UPTICK IN THAT THAT VISITATION AND THAT SIGN UP AFTER THE COUNCIL MEETING, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT YOUR COMMUNITY IS VERY INVOLVED WITH THAT. SO OUR STRATEGIES FOR NOTIFICATION ARE QUITE VARIED, AND WE ARE WORKING VERY CLOSELY WITH MONIQUE BARNHART. WE'VE WORKED WITH HER QUITE OFTEN IN THE PAST, AND I HAVE TO SAY THAT SHE HAS ONE OF THE MOST COMPREHENSIVE OUTREACH CONTACT LISTS OF ANY LOCAL GOVERNMENT I'VE EVER WORKED FOR. SO IT'S IT'S I FEEL LIKE I FEEL VERY POSITIVE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A REALLY GOOD SUCCESS RATE. WE'RE GOING TO DEVELOP FLIERS AND POSTERS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE PUTTING IN COMMUNITY BUILDINGS AND COMMUNITY SPACES ALSO WILL BE ON THE CITY EVENTS CALENDAR. 
          THERE'S A MONTHLY NEWSLETTER THAT EXTENDS OUT, AND I BELIEVE SHE'S GOT 2262 SUBSCRIBERS TO THAT. WE'LL WORK WITH HER FOR A MEDIA AND PRESS RELEASE, AND THEN MAYBE EVEN DO SOME GOLF SIGNS IN SOME HIGH VISIBILITY AREAS THAT WILL PUSH PEOPLE TO THE WEBSITE AND SAY, QUESTIONNAIRE, POSSIBLY COME TO THE THE COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS. AND THEN WE HAVE OUR EMAIL DATABASE THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING. ALSO THROUGH YOUR SOCIAL MEDIA, WE'LL ALSO BE PUBLISHING NOT ONLY THE WEBSITE GO TO THE WEBSITE, BUT ALSO ANY PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT WE HAVE. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A SCREEN CRAWLER ON NAPLES TV. AND THEN THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL HAS IN THE PAST AND HAS PROMISED US THE CITY MANAGER WAS THERE, THAT THEY ARE GOING TO ADVERTISE ALL OUR PUBLIC MEETINGS AND THE QUESTIONNAIRE TO ALL THEIR MEMBERSHIP. THEY EVEN ASKED US, YOU KNOW, COULD THEY HAVE A QUICK REMINDER BEFORE ANY PUBLIC MEETINGS? AND WE'VE AGREED TO DO THAT WITH IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE ALSO HAVE THE EMAIL LIST FOR THE BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT DISTRICTS FOR FIFTH AND THIRD. WE'VE ALSO DEVELOPED A GOLF COURSE EMAIL BLAST LIST JUST BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT, THEY POST SOME STUFF IN THEIR IN THEIR AREAS THAT MIGHT GET SOME SOME PEOPLE'S ATTENTION. THE MONIQUE HAS A BUSINESS LICENSE LIST OF 11,000 BUSINESSES HERE IN THE CITY. THERE ARE 12,700 SUBSCRIBERS. I THINK SHE TOLD ME IN FOR THE CITY NOTIFICATIONS AND THEN AND SO I THINK THAT WE'VE COME UP WITH A REALLY GOOD PLAN TO TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY. WE HAVE DISCUSSED THE POSSIBILITY OF USING THE UTILITY BILLS, BUT THAT'S IN DISCUSSION BECAUSE IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S TYPICALLY DONE FOR PUBLIC WORKSHOPS. BUT THAT DISCUSSION IS ONGOING. AND THEN CHRISSY FISHER WITH JOHNSON IS GOING TO CONTINUE WITH SOME MORE DETAILS ABOUT OUR PUBLIC OUTREACH. AFTERNOON. YES. WHAT I WANT TO DISCUSS WITH YOU TODAY ARE SOME OF THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES THAT WE HAVE PLANNED OUT. SHARE THAT WITH YOU. GET YOUR ENDORSEMENT. SO AS AS PART OF OUR PLAYBOOK, WE'RE TARGETING NOVEMBER 13TH FOR TWO SESSIONS OF COMMUNITY WORKSHOPS, WHICH WOULD KICK OFF OUR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT ACTIVITIES. EACH LOCATION WOULD HAVE THE SAME CONTENT TO OFFER PARTICIPANTS THE CONVENIENCE OF ATTENDING SOMETHING THAT WAS CLOSE TO WHERE THEY LIVE, AND BOTH WOULD BE ON THE SAME DAY. WE WANT TO GET YOUR FEEDBACK AND YOUR ENDORSEMENT ON THIS, AS WE MENTIONED. SO THE FIRST THING WE HAVE IS A SIGN IN SHEET. AND I KNOW THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS MENTIONED AS A CONCERN AS WE DISCUSSED AT PREVIOUS SESSION WITH YOU GUYS, AS WELL AS WITH THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, TO MAKE ARE TRACKING WHO'S COMING, WHO'S ATTENDING, WHO'S PARTICIPATING. SO LOCATIONAL INFORMATION AS THEY SIGN IN, WE'LL HAVE A MAP OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND BUSINESS AREAS AT THE AT THE SIGN IN TABLE WHERE THEY CAN IDENTIFY WHERE THEY LIVE OR WORK. WE'RE GOING TO RANDOMIZE ASSIGNED TABLE SEATING GROUPS. 
          THIS WAS A CONCERN THAT THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD HAD THAT WE WANTED TO ADDRESS, THAT 
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WE DO NOT GET MEETINGS THAT ARE BY CERTAIN SPECIAL INTEREST GROUPS. SO IF WE RANDOMIZE WHERE PEOPLE SIT. WE HAVE GROUP THINK AT THESE DIFFERENT TABLES. THE MEETING FORMAT WILL HAVE AN OVERVIEW PRESENTATION TO INTRODUCE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHAT IT IS AND WHY WE'RE DOING THIS PROCESS. WE'LL HAVE INTERACTIVE POLLS WITH REAL TIME RESULTS. AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO ENGAGE IN SMALL WORK GROUPS. AND THE TABLE GROUPS WOULD THEN SHARE THEIR INPUT. 
          AND OF COURSE WE HAVE COMMENT CARDS FOR ADDITIONAL FEEDBACK. IF WE HAVEN'T COVERED THINGS THAT PARTICIPANTS HAD WANTED TO EXPRESS. SO THIS INFORMATION IS IN YOUR IN YOUR BACKUP MATERIALS. FIRST OF ALL, THE INTERACTIVE POLLING ACTIVITY THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE IS THROUGH A PRODUCT CALLED MENTIMETER. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF YOU HAVE USED IT BEFORE, BUT WE'VE USED IT IN SEVERAL DIFFERENT OCCASIONS AND IT'S VERY SUCCESSFUL AND PEOPLE REALLY ENJOY USING IT. IT'S VERY EASY TO USE, BUT IF SOMEBODY'S NOT COMFORTABLE USING IT, WE'LL ALSO HAVE PAPER COPIES THERE FOR THEM TO JUST FILL OUT THE QUESTIONNAIRES AS WELL AS JUST WOULDN'T BE THE REAL TIME RESULTING. SO WE'LL ASK THEM A SERIES OF DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION TO SORT OUT WHO'S WHO'S PARTICIPATING BY VARIOUS CATEGORIES TO IDENTIFY WHO'S THERE. AND IT ALSO HELPS US IDENTIFY WHO'S NOT PARTICIPATING AND WHO DO WE NEED TO TARGET FOR THE NEXT ROUNDS OF ENGAGEMENT? THE QUESTIONNAIRE RELATES TO THE VISION THEMES THAT ARE KNOWN PRIORITIES TO THE CITY REGARDING COMMUNITY CHARACTER, THE SMALL TOWN FEEL, AND RESILIENCY. WE'LL HAVE A OVERVIEW AND DISCUSSION. OKAY, SORRY. THE INTERACTIVE POLLING RESULTS. SO WHAT YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN HERE, THESE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THE MENTIMETER ACTIVITIES AND THE RESULTS THAT WE HAD AT SOME ACTIVITIES IN IT WAS ACTUALLY FOR COLLIER COUNTY NOT TOO LONG AGO. AND YOU CAN SEE THE TYPES OF QUESTIONS THAT WE ASK LIKE A WORD CLOUD EXAMPLE, IF YOU'RE GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPRESS IN THREE WORDS WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT THE CITY OF NAPLES, YOU CAN PUT THAT AND IT STARTS POPULATING ON THE SCREEN REAL TIME. THE MORE PEOPLE SAY THE SAME THING, THE LARGER THE ITEM GETS. MULTIPLE CHOICE EXAMPLES WINDS UP BEING LIKE A DOT VOTING EXAMPLE RANKING EXAMPLES. 
          YOU COULD SEE THEM IN BAR CHARTS OR PIE CHARTS AND SIMILAR. ALL THIS THEN GETS PUT INTO DATABASES. WE TRACK ALL THIS INFORMATION. WE CAN USE IT TO SORT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT ARE WE HEARING FROM DIFFERENT TYPES OF PEOPLE. SO THEN FOLLOWING THAT, THE MAJORITY OF THE WORKSHOP WILL BE IN THESE FACILITATING GROUP DISCUSSIONS ON IN REGARDS TO THREE DIFFERENT TABLE EXERCISES. IN THE FIRST EXERCISE, WE WANT TO HAVE PARTICIPANTS IDENTIFY ON MAPS WHERE THEY THINK SMALL TOWN CHARM IS BEST REPRESENTED IN NAPLES, AND LISTING OUT WHAT ASPECTS THOSE ARE IN THESE PLACES THAT MAKE THEM EXCEPTIONAL AND MAKE NAPLES UNIQUE PLACE. THEN THEY'LL IDENTIFY PUBLIC IMPROVEMENTS, ACTIONS OR PROGRAMS THAT THE CITIES THAT THE CITY COULD CONSIDER TO PRESERVE COMMUNITY CHARACTER AND SUPPORT THAT CONCEPT OF PLACE KEEPING. THE SECOND TABLE EXERCISE RELATES TO RESILIENCY AND LIKELY HAZARD EVENTS. THE TABLE GROUPS WILL ANSWER QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO RESILIENCY AND SUGGESTIONS REGARDING HAZARD EVENTS AND RESILIENCY AS PART OF A TEAM. AND THEN THE THIRD EXERCISE EXPLORES THE CONCEPT OF NAPLES AS THE GREEN JEWEL OF SOUTHWEST FLORIDA. AND THIS DERIVES FROM YOUR 2007 VISIONING EFFORTS. PARTICIPANTS WILL BE PROVIDED AGAIN WITH MAPS SO THAT THEY CAN IDENTIFY VARIOUS GREEN JEWEL FEATURES, AND THEN BE ASKED TO LOCATE THEM ON THE MAP. 
          AND WHAT REPRESENTS THOSE BEST. AS THESE GROUPS AT THE TABLES. COME UP WITH CONSENSUS ITEMS, THEY'LL THEN REPORT BACK. AND WHILE WE'RE THERE IN THE IN THE IN THE WORKSHOP. AND THEN, OF COURSE, THE COMMON CARDS THAT I ALREADY MENTIONED. AT THE SAME TIME THAT WE'RE DOING THIS, WE MENTIONED HAVING A QUESTIONNAIRE. WE WANT TO HAVE A QUESTIONNAIRE ON THE WEBSITE AS WELL THAT WILL PARALLEL THOSE SAME TYPES OF QUESTIONS. SO WE CAN GET PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT OR NOT AVAILABLE AT THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PARTICIPATE AS WELL. AND THAT INFORMATION IS IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL. I KNOW SURVEY SECURITY. WE'RE GOING TO CALL IT QUESTIONNAIRE. THIS IS THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO START MOVING TOWARDS. IT IS A QUESTIONNAIRE. IT'S NOT A SURVEY. WE'RE NOT DOING ANY STATISTICAL RESULTS WITH THIS. SO IT IS A QUESTIONNAIRE. WE'RE TRYING TO GET FEEDBACK FROM THE PUBLIC. SO QUESTIONNAIRE SECURITY PARTICIPANTS WILL BE 
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REQUIRED TO PROVIDE THE ADDRESS AND ZIP CODE. THIS WILL BE AVAILABLE ON THE WEBSITE. DATA WILL THEN BE ANALYZED AND SORTED TO IDENTIFY IF THERE ARE ANY IRREGULARITIES. IP ADDRESSES WILL BE FLAGGED IF THERE'S REPETITIVE SUBMISSIONS, PARTICIPANTS WILL PROVIDE THEIR DEMOGRAPHIC INFORMATION AND THEN THEY'LL GO THROUGH THE SERIES OF QUESTIONS. SO THAT WOULD BE WHAT WE INTEND TO DO FOR THAT NOVEMBER KICKOFF MEETING THAT WE MENTIONED. BUT THERE'S PLENTY OF OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE INVOLVED. WE TALKED ABOUT THE JANUARY MEETING, THE PAB AND COUNCIL WORKSHOP, A COMBINED WORKSHOP. THIS IS WHERE WE WANT TO PROVIDE YOU WITH THAT INFORMATION THAT WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC AND THEN SHARE WITH YOU WHAT WE WANT TO DO FOR WHAT THE ROUND TWO PUBLIC OUTREACH WILL BE, AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE OKAY WITH THAT. BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, WE'LL DO PUBLIC OUTREACH AND NOTIFICATION IN JANUARY FEBRUARY. REACH OUT TO THE PLANNING COUNCIL AT THE END OF OF THAT MONTH IN JANUARY, AND THEN BY MID-FEBRUARY, WE'LL DO OUR COMMUNITY MEETINGS AGAIN AND LIKELY IN THE SAME TWO LOCATIONS, ASSUMING THEY'LL BE AVAILABLE. AND THAT'S WHERE WE'LL SHARE SOME PRELIMINARY RECOMMENDATIONS AND DIVE A LITTLE DEEPER INTO WHAT WE HEARD FROM THAT FIRST ROUND OF WORKSHOPS BEFORE WE ADVANCE TO ANY DRAFTING OF THE PLAN. THEN WE'D BE LOOKING BETWEEN MARCH AND DECEMBER, EVEN MORE OUTREACH EFFORTS. WE HAVE TO PROVIDE A DRAFT DRAFT PLAN AND DRAFT PLAN AMENDMENTS TO STAFF GO THROUGH STAFF REVIEW OF THOSE CHANGES, BRING THAT TO PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD. WE'RE LOOKING AT MARCH FOR THAT COUNCIL THE NEXT MONTH IN APRIL, AND THEN WE FOLLOW THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS THAT'S REQUIRED THROUGH COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT TRANSMITTAL AND FINALLY, ADOPTION. SO WITH THAT, THIS IS THE SCHEDULE THAT WE HAD MOVED FORWARD ON. BASED ON THE FEEDBACK WE RECEIVED FROM YOU GUYS BACK IN JUNE. AND IF THIS NOW IS THE TIME TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT SCHEDULE, THAT'S PROBABLY A GOOD TIME TO KIND OF OPEN THAT FOR YOU GUYS TO DO. I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO THE INFORMATION. SURE. EXAMPLES THAT ARE GOING TO BE. THANK YOU. 
          GO BACK TO THE LIKE PAGE 164 OF OUR DOCUMENTS ARE THESE FIRST ROUND COMMUNITY WORKSHOP ITINERARY OR THESE ARE IS THIS THE DRAFT THAT WE'RE SAYING YES TO TODAY? THIS IS THE DRAFT THAT WE WORK WITH STAFF TO PUT TOGETHER. WE'RE ABSOLUTELY OPEN TO ANY KIND OF SUGGESTIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS YOU HAVE, BUT WE WILL NEED TO GO LIVE WITH IT FAIRLY QUICKLY IF WE ARE STILL LIVING WITH THAT NOVEMBER DATE. OKAY, BECAUSE I'D LIKE COUNCIL TO GO OVER THAT BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WOULD HAVE CODES FROM 3410134102030405 AND 34112. THOSE ARE ALL ZIP CODES WITHIN THE CITY. YES. NO 34112. THREE. IT'S LIKELY THE POST OFFICE OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES, BUT OKAY, WE JUST WE JUST TOOK A MAP AND I WAS SURPRISED TOO BECAUSE I KNOW 34112. THAT'S WHERE MY OFFICE IS. IT'S WHERE THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT COMPLEX IS OR NORTH. YOU KNOW. YEAH. 
          PARK OF COMMERCE. NO. 34112. WELL, THERE'S BAYVIEW, THERE'S BAYVIEW PARK. YEAH. SO YEAH, SOME SOME OF THESE, SOME OF THESE ZIP CODES DON'T ALIGN CLEANLY WITH THE CITY BOUNDARIES. AND THEY EXTEND VERY. GOT IT. VERY CLEAR. THEY DO TOUCH. IF WE DID 134112. GOT IT. YEAH. AND THEN SO THAT WHOLE THE THAT'S YOUR FIRST DRAFT. AND TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR TODAY. SURE. THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT OKAY I'M NOT SURE COUNCIL HAS GONE THROUGH THIS TO BUT WE'LL COVER THAT. AND THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER DRAFT IN HERE. IS THERE ANOTHER DRAFT OF QUESTIONS. OH SO THE THE QUESTIONNAIRE IS THE SAME QUESTIONS THAT ARE PART OF THE ITINERARY. BUT THE ITINERARY GOES INTO ALSO TALKING ABOUT THE TABLE DISCUSSION. SO IT'S IT'S ALL IN ONE. IT'S THE SAME. 
          IT'S THE SAME QUESTIONS. WE WANT TO ALIGN THE QUESTIONS THAT ARE GOING TO BE AVAILABLE ONLINE FOR THE QUESTIONNAIRE, AS WELL AS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING AT THE ITINERARY. THE OKAY. SO I NEED FEEDBACK FROM COUNCIL ON THAT COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER CRAMER THIS IS ON THE SECURITY. AND IF YOU'RE TRACKING IPS, IF THEY HAVE IF THEY HAVE A VPN, DOES THAT DISQUALIFY THEM. WILL YOU BE ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT BECAUSE A VPN DISGUISES THEIR IP? OKAY I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH HOW HOW THOSE SPECIFICS WORK, BUT WE HAVE THE TEAM THAT WILL BE ABLE TO LOOK INTO THAT. AND I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. I'M SORRY. OKAY. 
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BECAUSE IF THAT'S WHY YOU USE A VPN, RIGHT? OUR TOUR IS BECAUSE TECHNICALLY SOMEONE COULD BE IN A DIFFERENT STATE AND USE THE VPN LOCALLY. I'M JUST SAYING YOU COULD. IT'S NOT FOOLPROOF, AND WE ACKNOWLEDGE IT'S NOT GOING TO BE FOOLPROOF. BUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO AT LEAST, IS BE ABLE TO HAVE WAYS TO SORT AND TRACK SO THAT WE CAN IDENTIFY WHEN WE DO SEE ANY KIND OF ABNORMALITIES. IF YOU HAVE TEN PEOPLE VOTING FROM ONE HOUSEHOLD, I MEAN, THAT CAN CERTAINLY BE FLAGGED AND WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THAT INFORMATION. I'M JUST SUGGESTING IF THEY'RE USING A VPN, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS TEN FROM ONE, CORRECT? OKAY, THANKS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. VICE MAYOR. WELL THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK. A COUPLE QUICK QUESTIONS HERE. THE COMMENT PERIOD EARLY ON, YOU SAID ONE WEEK BEFORE, AND I WANT TO CLARIFY BEFORE WHAT. SURE. AND THEN THREE WEEKS AFTER. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE THIS WINDOW OF TIME THAT SOMEBODY CAN BRING A COMMENT OR INPUT FORWARD. JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT OKAY FOR IT, IT BASICALLY WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO WAS IF WE'RE GOING FORWARD WITH THE NOVEMBER 13TH DATE, WE WOULD HAVE THAT AVAILABLE ONE WEEK PRIOR TO THE MEETING, AND THEN WE WANT TO EXTEND IT OUT JUST FOR ROUNDING TO DECEMBER 6TH. IT'S EASY TO KIND OF COMPUTE. SO ONCE YOU GET THESE COMMENTS, THERE WAS A TERM USED. AND I THINK I UNDERSTAND HARD DRAFTING. RIGHT. IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE WE'RE DOING SOME WORK ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND WE'RE USING FEEDBACK TO GET THAT WORK DONE. IS THAT FAIR? THAT'S FAIR ENOUGH. YEP. OKAY. WHEN SOMEONE MAKES A COMMENT AND IT'S ALL OF A SUDDEN IN THIS POOL OF COMMENTS AND THE TEAM HAS TO DO THIS HARD DRAFTING, IS THE COMMUNITY GOING TO BE ABLE TO SEE THE PROGRESS OF THESE DRAFTS RELATED TO THE COMMENTS AS IT GOES FORWARD? HOW? JUST EXPLAIN THAT FOR A LITTLE BIT, PLEASE. SURE. SO IT IS OUR INTENT TO BRING THE BOARD, THE PAB AND CITY COUNCIL, WHAT WE HEARD FROM ROUND ONE AND THE SURVEY SORRY QUESTIONNAIRE IN JANUARY. RIGHT. WE WILL BE DRAFTING ALONG WITH DRAFTING THE RECOMMENDATIONS, BRINGING RECOMMENDATIONS TO KIND OF SHARE AND DO PRIORITIZATION OF THINGS FOR THE COMMUNITY TO THEN CONSIDER IN FEBRUARY IF WE'RE CONTINUING WITH THIS TIME FRAME AND THEN BRING ALL THAT INFORMATION BACK TO BOTH AGENCIES AND MARCH AND APRIL. OKAY. SO SOME COMMENTS WILL HAVE AN ACTION AND SOME WILL NOT. IS THAT FAIR? SO I WOULD SAY WHAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IS A DELIVERABLE THAT WILL HAVE ALL OF THAT INFORMATION WE'VE COLLECTED FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WILL THEN HELP INFORM WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DRAFT, AND THAT THAT WILL BE A DELIVERABLE THAT WE'LL HAVE. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I'M GETTING DOWN TO THE NITTY GRITTY HERE. WHO CHOOSES WHICH COMMENTS GET DRAFTED INTO THE COMP PLAN AND WHICH ONES DON'T? I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A MATTER OF LIKE, WE LIKE THIS ONE, WE LIKE THIS ONE. WE'RE GOING TO BE USING OUR PLANNING EXPERTISE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT MAKES THE MOST SENSE, AND ALSO TO REPORT BACK THAT, YOU KNOW, HERE'S SOMETHING WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC THAT REALLY MAKES SENSE, AND WE MIGHT WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. AND OKAY. AND WHEN DOES THE COMMUNITY FIND OUT WHAT THOSE ARE. SO THOSE DECISIONS DRAFT PLAN WILL BE READY THAT BE JANUARY WITH THE RESULTS FROM WHAT WE HEARD FROM ROUND ONE, AS WE'RE DRAFTING PLAN AMENDMENTS, IT'S GOING TO BE MARCH APRIL OKAY. AND I'M LOOKING AT THE CALENDAR HERE. YES, JANUARY OF 26. YES. 
          JANUARY OF 26. JANUARY WE'LL HAVE. YES, JANUARY. WE WILL HAVE INFORMATION ON WHAT WE HEARD FROM THE PUBLIC THROUGH THE QUESTIONNAIRE AND THE ROUND ONE EXERCISES. YES. AND THE HARD DRAFTING WILL START THEN OR THAT'S WHEN. YEAH, WE'VE GOT TO START AND WE'VE ALREADY A LOT OF THE WORK THAT WE'RE DOING IS BASED ON THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND THE AND THE DOCUMENTS THAT WE'VE ALREADY PREPARED. SO THEY RUN PARALLEL AND INTERTWINED, AND WE'RE ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT THROUGH NAPLES 2045. YES. ALL OF OUR DELIVERABLES THAT WE HAVE PRESENTED ARE AVAILABLE THERE NOW. OKAY. AND I JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, AS WE PICK AND CHOOSE THE ISSUES THAT GET INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE'RE GOING TO SEE, IT'S A QUESTION. 
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YES, WE'RE GOING TO SEE WHAT'S BEING DRAFTED ON CERTAIN COMMENTS AND INPUT. AM I RIGHT? IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR COUNCIL TO WEIGH IN AND GIVE US GUIDANCE FROM WHAT WE'VE LEARNED? NO, I'M ASKING AS THE WORK GOES FORWARD, WHEN DO WE SEE IT? HOW DO WE SEE IT? SO SO FOR THE SCOPE, WE WILL HAVE DRAFT PLAN AMENDMENTS READY FOR PREVIEW IN MARCH FOR THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD TO LOOK AT, AND THEN CITY COUNCIL IN APRIL WILL REFINE BASED ON WHAT WE HEAR FROM THE BOTH BOARDS AND THE PUBLIC, AND THEN MAKE THOSE REVISIONS AND COME BACK WITH DRAFT PLAN AMENDMENTS IN MAY AND JUNE ACCORDING TO THIS CALENDAR. AGAIN, OKAY. THANK YOU. ONE MORE CLARIFICATION AS YOU BRING THESE COMMENTS. AND THERE'S THIS BIG BUCKET OF ALL THESE COMMENTS AND INCLUDED IS ALL THE FEEDBACK FROM BUSINESSES, COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL. ARE WE BREAKING THOSE OUT INTO SEPARATE BUCKETS SO WE CAN GO SEE WHAT'S GOING ON IN EACH. SO WE CAN SORT AT YOUR PLEASURE. ONCE WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION, AS WE'RE CAPTURING IT AND REPORT BACK ON WHO WE HEARD WHAT FROM, I THINK THAT'S AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THIS. ABSOLUTELY. YEAH, I THINK IT IS GREAT. SO SAY THAT AGAIN. SO AS WE'RE COLLECTING THIS INFORMATION FROM THE PUBLIC AND WE HAVE ADDRESS INFORMATION AND BUSINESS INFORMATION ON THIS OTHER, THESE OTHER THINGS WILL BE ABLE TO CATEGORIZE AND SORT AND THEN REPORT BACK ON HOW ALL THAT IS AND FILTER. WHEN WHEN WOULD THAT BE. SO THAT WOULD BE WITH THAT DELIVERABLE THAT WE'VE GOT DUE AT THE END OF THE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PERIOD. SO THAT WOULD BE I DON'T HAVE WHEN THAT DELIVERABLE IS ACTUALLY DUE, BUT I'M GOING TO ASSUME IT'S GOING TO BE WHEN WE BRING IT TO YOU IN APRIL. THAT WOULD MAKE THE MOST SENSE. BUT SINCE WE WON'T BE BACK BEFORE YOU BETWEEN JANUARY, IS THAT PHASE THREE OR IS THAT FURTHER DOWN? FURTHER DOWN? OKAY, SO PHASE THREE IS IS STAFF DRAFT WORKING WITH STAFF. YEAH. STAFF REVIEW DRAFT. SO IF YOU COULD. YES. POINT US TO THE RIGHT PHASE WHERE WE'RE GOING TO GET A LOOK. 
          IS IT FINAL PRESENTATION. FINAL APPROVAL. IS IT. WHERE IS IT. WHERE WE'RE BREAKING OUT. IF YOU GIVE ME A COUPLE MINUTES I CAN. THANKS. REAL QUICK. MAYOR, MAY I ASK JUST A QUESTION OF THE VICE MAYOR REAL QUICK? YEAH. VICE MAYOR, ARE YOU SAYING, LIKE, WORDS ON PAPER OR POLICY DECISIONS? NO. WE'RE JUST I'M TRYING TO SEE WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO SEE. IN OTHER WORDS, IT'S GREAT WE'RE REACHING OUT TO THE COMMUNITY. IT'S KIND OF LIKE WHAT WE DID IN THE LAST TIME WE DID THE. THE VISION SURVEY AND THE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WORK THAT WE DID PREVIOUSLY, AND WE DID IT IN A BIG ROOM, AND WE GOT ALL THESE COMMENTS ON PAPER, ETC. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT AND LET EVERYONE KNOW WHEN WE GET THE FIRST LOOK AT HOW THE COMMENTS FOR EACH, THE BUSINESSES, THE COMMERCIAL SECTOR, THE THE RESIDENTIAL, WHEN PEOPLE GET THAT FIRST LOOK AT HOW THE COMMENTS ARE BEING USED IN HARD DRAFTING, RIGHT? IN OTHER WORDS, THEY THEY'VE TAKEN CERTAIN THINGS WHERE WE'RE WORKING ON IT NOW. AND HERE'S SOME WORDS WE'RE GOING TO PUT INTO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AROUND THAT. WHEN DO THEY SEE THAT FOR THE FIRST TIME. SO THE DRAFT PLAN AMENDMENTS WOULD BE IN MARCH. WHICH PHASE FOUR. 
          SO IT'S PHASE FOUR IS THE DRAFT PRESENTATION AND REVIEW. AND I SEE THAT IS THERE'S COLORED BLOCKS OVER IN OCTOBER NOVEMBER OF 2026. IS THAT WHAT YOU SEE. NO. THAT'S THE PLAN. OH YEAH. 
          YOU WANT TO GO TO THIS ONE. THANK YOU. ON THE SCREEN OKAY. SO NUMBER FOUR HERE. YOU'RE SHOWING THAT IN. PHASE FOUR. YEAH. GREEN I'M SORRY I'M COLORBLIND BUT THAT IS FEBRUARY AND MARCH AND IT HAS PAB ON IT. SO THAT'LL BE THE FIRST TIME THE COMMUNITY. YEAH IT'S. YEAH. 
          SO AT THAT POINT WE'LL HAVE DRAFT PLAN AMENDMENTS UP TO THAT POINT. WE'RE WORKING ON THEM. WE WILL HAVE INFORMATION THAT WE'VE RECEIVED COMMENTS AND SUCH FROM THE PUBLIC EARLY IN NOVEMBER. HAVE THAT INFORMATION. WE'LL BE ABLE TO PRESENT THAT TO YOU IN JANUARY WITH THE PAB, HAVE ANOTHER ROUND OF MEETINGS, GET MORE INFORMATION, MORE DETAILED 
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INFORMATION, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE THE REPORT OUT ON THAT. THAT'LL BE READY BY THE END OF MARCH, BY THE END OF MARCH. THAT SOUNDS GOOD. OKAY. THAT THAT IS IF WE STICK WITH THE TIME FRAME THAT IS ON HERE AND NOT THE RECOMMENDATION OR THE CONSIDERATION THAT WAS GIVEN BY MISS MARTIN, WHICH YOU HAVE RIGHT THERE. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. COUNCILMEMBER CHRISTMAS, SO I, I'M GOING TO FOCUS BUILDING ON WHAT THE VICE MAYOR JUST SAID ON THE SCHEDULE, BECAUSE WE'VE GOT A WE GOT TO MAKE A DECISION. YEAH. AND FIRST THING I'LL SAY IS I'M I'M FOR AS MUCH PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AS WE ALL CAN STOMACH IF WE DON'T HAVE A MEETING EVERY WEEK STARTING IN NOVEMBER, I'M FOR IT. I'LL VOTE FOR IT. OKAY. I'LL VOTE FOR IT CHRISTMAS WEEK. LET'S DO IT. 
          BUT WOULD YOU LOOK AT THESE TWO SCHEDULES? CURRENT. POSSIBLE OPTION. THERE'S THERE'S PLUSES AND MINUSES TO BOTH. IF IF IF WE'RE IF IF WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THE POSITION THAT THE ONLY LEGITIMATE TIME TO GATHER PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND GET FEEDBACK AND GIVE FEEDBACK TO THE COMMUNITY IS A THREE MONTH PERIOD CALLED JANUARY, FEBRUARY AND MARCH, IF THAT'S OUR POSITION. WE GOT WE GOT A PROBLEM SCHEDULING EVERYTHING. AND SO MY AS I'VE JUST BEEN THINKING ABOUT IT BOTH BEFORE AND DURING THIS. PRESENTATION TODAY. FIRST OF ALL, I THINK THAT WE OUGHT TO ALLOW THE MEETING THAT'S ALREADY SCHEDULED FOR NOVEMBER TO GO FORWARD. WHAT'S THE POINT IN CANCELING IT? IT'S ALREADY OUT THERE. PEOPLE ARE ARE SOME PEOPLE ANYWHERE AWARE OF IT? IF WE PAID FOR IT, YEAH, WE'VE ALREADY PAID FOR IT, YOU KNOW. 
          AND AGAIN, MORE PARTICIPATION IS BETTER THAN LESS. LET'S JUST GO AHEAD WITH THAT. IF WE WANT TO ADD. COMMUNITY PUBLIC PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT SESSION, I GUESS WHAT WE'RE CALLING IT IN JANUARY. THAT'S ADD ONE IN JANUARY, YOU KNOW, AND I REALIZE THIS ALL MEANS MORE WORK FOR OUR CONSULTANTS. WE'LL HAVE CHANGE ORDERS AND MORE COSTS AND ALL THAT, BUT LET'S DO THAT. BUT THE REAL THE REAL NUB OF THIS IS. WE HAVE TWO CHOICES HERE. WE EITHER CAN, UNDER THE ORIGINAL CURRENT SCHEDULE, HAVE THIS ALL COME EVEN WITH ADDING SOME PUBLIC PARTICIPATION, HAVE THIS COME BACK TO PAB IN MARCH AND COUNCIL IN APRIL AND AND HAVE A FINAL APPROVAL OCCUR. BUT BEFORE WE ADJOURN FOR SUMMER RECESS NEXT JUNE, IF WE WANT TO PUSH IT OUT AND AND SAY, NO, THAT'S TOO FAST, WE NEED MORE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND SO ON. 
          UNDER THE THE MODIFIED SCHEDULE, IT TAKES US INTO THE SUMMER. BUT THEN LOOK, IT SAYS DRAFT PRESENTATION AND REVIEW TO THE PAB IN OCTOBER NOVEMBER. SO NOW WE'RE BACK INTO OCTOBER NOVEMBER. AND PEOPLE WILL SOME PEOPLE WILL SAY, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE AREN'T HERE. WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO THE MEETINGS, MAKE OUR VIEWS KNOWN. AND AND SO IF WE ARE GOING TO MODIFY IT, I WOULD SUGGEST WE MODIFY IT ALL THE WAY OUT INTO THE BEGINNING OF 2027. AND, YOU KNOW, AND ONCE AGAIN, HAVE IT ALL HAPPEN AND GET FINALIZED IN THE FIRST THREE MONTHS OF 2027, IF THAT'S THE REASON WE'RE MAKING ANY CHANGES AT ALL. BECAUSE WE'RE WE'RE SAYING ON THE ONE HAND THAT UNTIL UNTIL YOU GET TO JANUARY, YOU'RE NOT GIVING PEOPLE A CHANCE TO PARTICIPATE. AND AND THEN AND THEN EVEN ON THE MODIFIED SCHEDULE, WE'RE GOING RIGHT BACK TO THE FALL CALENDAR AND HAVING THE SAME ISSUES. SO, YOU KNOW, I JUST THINK WE HAVE TO WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER WE THINK THERE IS WORK THAT CAN LEGITIMATELY BE DONE, OTHER THAN IN THE THREE MONTHS OF JANUARY, FEBRUARY AND MARCH. 
          AND WHAT GETS DEFINED AS SEASON. I'LL JUST MAKE THIS OBSERVATION IN A BROADER SENSE, NOT JUST 
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WITH RESPECT TO THIS. IT SEEMS LIKE EVERY YEAR SEASON GETS MORE NARROWLY DEFINED AS TO WHAT IS SEASON AND WHAT IS THE TIME. AND FOR THIS CITY TO DO ITS WORK, AND FOR THIS COUNCIL TO DO THIS WORK ONLY ON A THREE MONTH TIME SCHEDULE IS OBVIOUSLY NOT REALISTIC OR FEASIBLE. SO I'M FOR, YOU KNOW, LET'S ADD PUBLIC PARTICIPATION MEETINGS. AND IF WE WANT TO EXTEND THE DRAFT AND FINAL REVIEWS LATER BEYOND THIS SPRING, FINE. BUT IF WE DO THAT, WE MAY AS WELL JUST DO IT INTO 2027. IF WE REALLY WANT TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT I GUESS I DIDN'T WATCH THE MEETING GOD VOICED AT THE PAB. OKAY, I, I WOULD SAY THAT HAVING THE NOVEMBER MEETING. SINCE WE'VE ALREADY HAVE IT SCHEDULED, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THE VENUE BE CHANGED SO THAT THOSE WHO AREN'T IN TOWN OR THOSE WHO WANT TO PARTICIPATE VIA ZOOM AND PUBLIC COMMENT THAT WE DO IT HERE. IT'S TELEVISED AND THERE'S NO THERE'S NOT A. A MEETING THAT IS NOT TELEVISED. SO I THINK THAT'S GOOD FOR TRANSPARENCY THAT IT BE IN WHETHER IT'S THE NORRIS CENTER WHICH CAN BE VIDEOTAPED OR WHETHER IT'S HERE IN CHAMBERS ONE IN THE MORNING AND ONE IN THE EVENING, PEOPLE CAN WATCH IT AND IT I THINK THAT'S THAT'LL SAVE US IN ALREADY HAVING THAT MEETING BE A CONCERN TO THE PUBLIC. SO I, I REALLY WANT US TO, TO DECIDE ON WHETHER THAT'S AN OPTION BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO KEEP NOVEMBER AND HAVE IT TELEVISED. CAN I SAY YES? JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, I'VE TALKED THROUGH THE DIFFERENT POSSIBILITIES. IF WE HAVE IT OFF SITE, IT CAN BE RECORDED AND THEN REPLAYED ON NAPLES TV AND SUCH. WE CAN'T BROADCAST OFF SITE. SO THAT'S THE DISTINCTION. YEAH. SO WE COULD DO IT HERE. BROADCAST. BROADCAST. YEAH. I WOULD RATHER, I THINK FOR TRANSPARENCY WISE AND DO IT LIVE, PEOPLE CAN WATCH IT AND THE COUNTY DOES IT ALL THE TIME. THEY HAVE A LIST OF PEOPLE THAT SIGNED UP FOR PUBLIC SPEAKING. THEY HAVE THEIR THREE MINUTES. THAT'S IT. AND MOVE ON. OKAY. AND YOU'RE SAYING JANUARY? NO, NOVEMBER. 
          BECAUSE THAT WAS THE CONCERN OF THE PAB. OKAY, OKAY. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER PETRANOFF I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE ARE THESE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENTS THAT START IN NOVEMBER BECAUSE WE HAVE A SUBSET HERE IN NOVEMBER. IS IT IS THEIR OUTPUT ITERATIVE TO THE NEXT MEETING OR IS IT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE SO THAT SO THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE BUILDING A BASE ON A NARROWLY SELECTED DEMOGRAPHIC AND THEN WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD BE SKEWING THE REST OF THE OUTPUT, OR IS IT ARE THEY ALL MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE? ASKED THE SAME QUESTIONS? ET-CETERA. YEAH. THE BEAUTY OF THE SITUATION WE'RE IN IS THERE IS ALREADY A VERY ESTABLISHED SET OF, YOU KNOW, BOUNDARIES WE'RE WORKING WITHIN. WE HAVE YOUR VISION. YOUR VISION IS OUR BOUNDARIES OF WHAT SUBJECT MATTER AND TYPES OF QUESTIONS AND TYPES OF INFORMATION WE'RE DIGGING. TO LEARN MORE ABOUT AND FIND OUT MORE ABOUT. SO THE, THE YOU KNOW, THE THE CONCERN THAT THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, FAR OUT, OUT OF THE BOX THINKING AND THINGS THAT COME UP IN NOVEMBER THAT THEN DERAIL AND TAKE THIS PROJECT IN A REALLY UNEXPECTED TURN AND, AND THINGS. I JUST DON'T THINK WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. AND THE MAJORITY OF YOUR POPULATION IS PERMANENT RESIDENTS. SO THE MAJORITY OF YOUR POPULATION IS BEING HEARD AS PERMANENT RESIDENTS. IF WE HAVE A MEETING IN NOVEMBER, IN ADDITION TO THOSE WHO DO FILTER BACK, I MEAN, WE'VE SEEN THE CAR CARRIERS. THERE'S THERE'S BEEN SOME SEASONAL RETURN ALREADY AND IT CONTINUES. SO I DON'T THINK YOU'RE DOING A DISSERVICE TO YOUR POPULATION WHEN YOU ASK QUESTIONS IN NOVEMBER AND GET FEEDBACK IN NOVEMBER, AND THEN BUILD OFF OF THAT FEEDBACK AND ASK MORE QUESTIONS IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY. THE OTHER PIECE IS, SHOULD WE BE THINKING ABOUT SPLITTING BUSINESS FROM FROM RESIDENTS? AND BECAUSE THEY'RE VERY DIFFERENT QUESTIONS, AND I THINK THE BUSINESSES ARE GOING TO GIVE FEEDBACK ON, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE, YOU KNOW, EASE OF WHEN THEY TALK ABOUT GOVERNMENT IS A PERMITTING EASE OF, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE 
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GOING TO BE IRRELEVANT. THEY MIGHT NOT CARE AS MUCH ABOUT GREEN JEWEL. SHOULD WE BE HAVING TWO DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, SETS OF MEETINGS TO GATHER? BUT WAIT A MINUTE, IS EASE OF PERMITTING PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN? BECAUSE I THINK THAT GOES DEEPER INTO THE CODES. RIGHT, RIGHT. WE'RE ASKING, YOU KNOW, YOU SAW THE QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE ASKING AT THIS FIRST ROUND OF WORKSHOPS AND AND LIKE YOU'VE BEEN YOU'VE HEARD IT'S A IT'S PURPOSEFULLY A WORK WORKING ENVIRONMENT TYPE MEETING. IT'S NOT A STAND UP AND GET YOUR THREE MINUTES OUT AND BLURT OUT WHAT ALL YOUR PREFERENCES ARE. IT'S THE THE WE CALL THEM TABLE EXERCISES BECAUSE IT DOES FORCE THAT COLLABORATION AND THAT DEEPER DIVE AND THAT CONVERSATION WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR WHO MIGHT HAVE A UNIQUE POSITION THAT YOU'VE NEVER THOUGHT OF AND THEN REPORT BACK AS A, YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE TELEVISED AND PEOPLE CAN HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON FOR TRANSPARENCY, BUT THE FORMAT PROPOSED IS IN THE FORMAT, AS WE'VE DESCRIBED, CALLED TABLE EXERCISES, WHERE ENGAGEMENT OCCURS AMONG THE PEOPLE IN THE ROOM AND THEN THEY STAND, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY VOICE WHAT THAT TABLE HAS COME UP WITH AS CONSENSUS OR NON CONSENSUS, WHAT THEY COULDN'T AGREE ON. YEAH, THAT THAT'S THE FORMAT BEING PROPOSED. I MEAN YOU'VE GOT THESE BUBBLE CHARTS WHERE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO ENTER. IS THAT THAT'S HAPPENING DURING THIS TIME CORRECT. YEAH. SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE POPPED UP THERE FOR THE BUSINESS THINGS PERMITTING. AND AND THAT'S THE WAY THE GOVERNMENT WORKS. AND IT IS PART OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IN OUR DECK HERE, TALKING ABOUT GOVERNMENT, ABOUT GOVERNMENT, AND IN NOT PICKING ON PERMITTING IT JUST THERE'S DIFFERENT NEEDS OF EACH OF THESE CONSTITUENTS THAT I DON'T WANT TO GET LOST IN THE SHUFFLE, AND I DON'T WANT IT TO GET SO WATERED DOWN THAT IT'S NOT RELEVANT TO EACH OF THOSE POPULATIONS, IS IT? IN THE THE SURVEY. YEAH. YOU'VE GOT YOU HAVE ON HERE, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THIS OUTPUT TALKED ABOUT THE WAY GOVERNMENT WORKS FOR YOU. 
          AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WAY GOVERNMENT WORKS FOR YOU IS IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM, YOU KNOW, PERHAPS FROM A BUSINESS PERSON THAT OWNS A BUSINESS THAN A, THAN A RESIDENT. WELL, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE QUESTIONNAIRE. IS THAT THE QUESTIONNAIRE THAT YOU'LL BE WORKING WITH AT THE ROUND TABLE. WELL WHAT QUESTIONNAIRES ARE, ARE THE SIMPLE POLLING EXERCISE. 
          THERE'S ALL YOU CAN DO TO ANSWER A QUESTIONNAIRE IS SAY A BE. MY FAVORITE PLACE IS THE PIER. THAT'S A QUESTIONNAIRE THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT EXERCISE BECAUSE THAT GETS PEOPLE ENGAGED. AND THEY YOU KNOW, THEY'RE FIRING OFF. WE'RE FIRING OFF QUESTIONS. THEY'RE FIRING OFF ANSWERS. IT'S VISIBLE ON THE SCREEN. SO YOU CAN KIND OF SEE LIVE THAT THE PIER CAME UP MORE OR LESS OR YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S THE THAT'S THE POLLING QUESTIONNAIRE PERIOD. AND THEN WE SWITCH GEARS INTO WHAT WE CALL TABLE GROUP EXERCISES, WHERE THERE'S A DEEPER DIVE AND THERE'S ASSIGNMENTS GIVEN TO DELVE IN A LITTLE DEEPER, TALK AMONGST YOUR ASSIGNED OKAY. HOW DO YOU GET THOSE. HOW DO YOU GET THOSE QUESTIONS. THEY'RE THEY'RE DRAFTED IN THE BACK OF THE ITINERARY IN THE SAME DOCUMENT. IT'S CALLED THE ITINERARY WORKSHOP ITINERARY. AND THERE ARE THREE EXERCISE EXERCISES PROPOSED. THE FIRST ONE RELATES TO COMMUNITY CHARACTER, AND THE QUESTION TALKS ABOUT WHAT IS, YOU KNOW, WE EDUCATE WHAT PLACE KEEPING IS AS A CONCEPT. IS IT, SAY, NORTH CAROLINA OR DOES IT SAY CLEARWATER? EXAMPLES. WHAT WE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, THE LAST DOCUMENT THAT'S IN YOUR PACKET AND IT'S TITLED EXAMPLE SURVEY QUESTIONS FROM THE CONSULTANT TEAM. THE PAB HAD ASKED THE CONSULTANTS TO PROVIDE EXAMPLES OF SURVEYS THAT THEY'VE CONDUCTED IN OTHER COMMUNITIES FOR OTHER INITIATIVES. SO WHETHER IT WAS COMP PLAN OR ANY OTHER INITIATIVE, THOSE ARE SURVEYS. NOTHING IN THAT PACKET IS PROPOSED TO BE USED HERE. THE PAB JUST WANTED EXAMPLES OF SURVEYS THAT THEY'VE DONE ELSEWHERE IN THE PAST. I'M LOOKING AT QUESTIONNAIRE NUMBER ONE WHERE IT SAYS, FOR EXAMPLE, ON QUESTION FOUR, WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT CHARACTERISTIC THAT DEFINES A SMALL TOWN FEEL. AND, YOU KNOW, IT GOES LOW RISE BUILDINGS, RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. AND ONE OF THEM IS GOVERNMENT LEADERSHIP. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE DIVERGENT ANSWERS. WHEN YOU GO INTO THE QUALITATIVE PIECE OF THIS AT YOUR ROUNDTABLES, THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET VERY DIFFERENT ANSWERS FROM THE TWO MAJOR CONSTITUENTS. YEAH. THE THE QUESTIONS THAT GO WHEN, WHEN, WHEN SITTING AT THE TABLE EXERCISES, THEY'RE VERY SPECIFIC THAT WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT JUST ASKING THESE QUESTIONS ALL OVER AGAIN OR ASKING FOR MORE INFORMATION ON LIKE, THERE WON'T BE A FOLLOW UP ON THAT QUESTION OF WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT CHARACTERISTIC THAT PROVIDES A SMALL TOWN FEEL. 
          INSTEAD, WE WILL ASK THE QUESTION THAT'S RELATED TO COMMUNITY CHARACTER THAT SAYS, LOOK AT THE DOWNTOWN COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY MAP PROVIDED. MARK THE LOCATIONS ON THE MAP THAT PROVIDE THE BEST EXAMPLES OF HIGH QUALITY DESIGN REPRESENTING NAPLES SMALL TOWN 
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CHARM LIST DESIGN ASPECTS THAT MAKE THE PLACES EXCEPTIONAL OPEN SPACE, LANDSCAPING, ARCHITECTURAL FEATURES, ETC. SO THAT'S THE GUIDANCE FOR THE FOLKS SITTING IN THEIR GROUP SESSION TO DIVE DEEPER AND TELL US MORE ABOUT WHAT SMALL TOWN CHARM AND CHARACTER TRAITS THEY FIND APPEALING. THEY FIND. I JUST WANT TO KNOW, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE HAD THE DISCUSSION LAST TIME ABOUT DATES AND WE DIDN'T GET WE KNEW THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT DOCUMENTS IN HERE WERE USING BECAUSE YOU THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME. THERE'S A LOT OF EXAMPLES. SO IN YOUR IN YOUR BACKUP DO YOU HAVE YOU HAVE THE PAPER COPIES. CORRECT. 
          ARE YOU LOOKING AT A LINK I HAVE PAPER, IT IS THE DOCUMENT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS CALLED THE COMMUNITY WORKSHOP ITINERARY. OKAY. AND THAT'S THE ONE THAT'S IN THE BACK. ERICA. 
          I'M SORRY. WHAT? FIRST DRAFT. BECAUSE I. SEE SECOND. SO AFTER THE PRESENTATION HITS NAPLES 2045, FIRST ROUND COMMUNITY WORKSHOP. AND IT GIVES YOU SOME EXAMPLES OF HOW TO DO SO, NOT QUESTIONNAIRE NUMBER ONE. YES IT IS. IT SAYS ROUND ONE. TWO DIFFERENT THINGS IN THERE YOU HAVE FIRST IT'S JUST THE INTERACTIVE. THIS IS CHRISTY MENTIONED. SO THE LAST QUESTION YOU HAVE A REAL TIME YOU'LL BE ABLE TO RESPOND AND IT'LL PRODUCE GRAPHICS AND STUFF. AND THAT'S IN KIND OF LIKE A PEACHY COLOR. AND THEN ON STARTING ON PAGE THREE IN THE GREEN COLOR, YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW, SURVEY QUESTIONS THAT ARE. AND THEN ON PAGE FIVE IS THE TABLE IS THE EXERCISE. THANK YOU. IT'S SMALL GROUP EXERCISE. ONE COMMUNITY CHARACTER. THAT'S 25 MINUTES. 
          YOU'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT. YES. AND THEN SMALL GROUP EXERCISE TWO RESILIENCE. YES. 
          AND THEN SMALL GROUP. EXERCISE THREE THE GREEN JEWEL CONVERSATION. AND THIS IS FOR THE NOVEMBER 13TH MEETING. YES OKAY. AND COUNCIL MEMBER PETRANOFF, WERE YOU COMPLETE? YES I AM FOR RIGHT NOW. OKAY. THANK YOU. KRAMER I JUST WANT TO SAY SO I'VE DONE CONSULTING FOR SOME MEDIUM SIZED GROUPS. ACTUALLY A COUPLE BIG GROUPS. COLLECTIVE NEEDS ASSESSMENT. 
          VERY SIMILAR TO THIS. I'M SURE YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT. I HAVE TO SAY IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO GET THE DIVERGENT VIEWS SITTING TOGETHER. THAT'S I LOVE HOW YOU SET IT UP, WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO RANDOMIZE THE TABLES. WE HAVE TO DEFINE TERMS THAT CAN TAKE FOREVER, BECAUSE WHAT GREEN JEWEL MEANS TO YOU DOES NOT MEAN THE SAME, RIGHT? OR QUAINT OR SMALL TOWN. AND YOU'RE GOING TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THAT PROCESS. SO I JUST HAD TO I HAVE A DIFFERENT VIEW IN THAT, AND I RESPECT MY COLLEAGUE. BUT LIKE, I THINK IT'S BECAUSE THERE'S THEY'RE USING THE BUSINESSES. THEY'RE WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER LIKE IT'S SUCH A INTEGRAL. 
          RELATIONSHIP, SYMBIOTIC RELATIONSHIP THAT I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT THAT EACH OTHER HEAR EACH OTHER AND THAT IF YOU IF YOU SEGREGATE, THAT'S LEADS MUCH MORE TO CONFLICT, I THINK, IN THE END. SO I JUST THINK IT'S A REALLY GOOD WAY TO DO IT. AND I ALSO SAY THAT LIKE YOU'RE SAYING THE THE PEOPLE WITH THE WISH LIST, WE SHOULD DO THIS. THAT'S COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. THAT'S THAT DOES NOT MOVE FORWARD. YOU KNOW, IT CAN BE RECORDED. IT CAN BE IT CAN BE PART OF THE BACKUP INFORMATION. AS AS WE GET ALL TYPES OF COMMENTS, SOME PEOPLE LIKE PUBLIC SPEAKING AND SHARING THEIR THOUGHTS THAT WAY. BUT WE DO SEE VALUE AND HAVE HAD GOOD EXPERIENCE IN THIS WOULD WOULD KIND OF LIKE A CONSENSUS BUILDING OR A DEFINITION OF WHAT THERE IS NO CONSENSUS FOR. WE LEARN A LOT FROM LEARNING THAT THERE IS NO CONSENSUS. LET ME REPHRASE. IT'S NOT COUNTERPRODUCTIVE. I SHOULDN'T SAY THAT BECAUSE WE WOULD BUILD MASSIVE WE COULD FILL THESE WALLS WITH IDEAS, RIGHT? BUT IF THAT'S ALL WE'RE GETTING, THEN WE'RE NOT. THERE'S NO PROGRESS. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. I'M SAYING THAT. 
          YEAH. TELL US WHAT YOU WANT. LET'S FILL IT ALL UP. AND NOW LET'S DO A COLLECTIVE NEEDS ASSESSMENT SO WE CAN SEE WHAT WE CAN LIVE WITH TOGETHER. YEAH. IS THAT FAIR? YES. ALL RIGHT. 
          THANKS. I'M. I APOLOGIZE, OUR CITY ATTORNEY JUST REMINDED ME TO REMIND YOU. TO INFORM YOU THESE MEETINGS, THESE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS, WHILE THEY WON'T BE HERE AND THEY AREN'T PUBLIC HEARINGS, WE WILL NOTICE THEM SO THAT THE PUBLIC IS AWARE THAT ONE OR MORE COUNCIL MEMBERS OR BOARD MEMBERS WILL ATTEND SO THAT YOU CAN ATTEND THE MEETINGS. AND YOU CAN YOU ALSO CAN OBSERVE, YOU KNOW, HOW HOW THIS IS GOING ON. SO I KNOW YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THE INFORMATION IS REPORTED BACK TO YOU, BUT YOU ARE ABLE, AS COUNCIL MEMBERS AND MEMBERS, TO ATTEND THESE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS AND SEE FIRSTHAND HOW THE INFORMATION COMES IN. THANK 
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YOU. DAVID. SO THESE ARE THE WHAT'S IN THE PACKET? DO YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING? DAVID. 
          HI. GOOD AFTERNOON. DAVID FREILICH WITH THE CITY. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY A COUPLE OF THINGS FOR YOU AS FAR AS THE MEETINGS. FROM A TECHNICAL PERSPECTIVE, IF YOU DO THEM OFFSITE, THEY CAN BE RECORDED. WE ARE TRYING TO WORK ON A WAY IN WHICH WE COULD BROADCAST THEM LIVE. I'M WORKING ON THAT NOW. HOWEVER, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO DO ZOOM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN ANY OTHER VENUE OTHER THAN HERE. AS FAR AS THAT, THE ZOOM PART OF IT, IF YOU DO THAT, IT'S A IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLICATED TO HAVE PEOPLE JUST ZOOM IN AS FAR AS PUBLIC COMMENT AND THAT TYPE OF THING. WHO CONTROLS IT, HOW, YOU KNOW, THREE MINUTES, WHO DECIDES WHAT THAT THREE MINUTES IS? HOW DO THEY KNOW THAT THE THREE MINUTES ARE UP OR WHATEVER IT IS, THAT WHATEVER TIME FRAME YOU PUT IN THERE? SO IF YOU HAVE IT HERE, LIKE I SAID, YOU CAN DO IT AS IF IT WAS A REGULAR TOWN HALL MEETING. BUT THAT'S BUT THAT'S IT. BUT AS FAR AS DOING IT OFFSITE, THERE IS AN EXPENSE TO DO IT OFFSITE, TO RECORD IT AND PLAY IT BACK. 
          AND THAT CAN BE ANYWHERE FROM BETWEEN 6 AND $9000. YEAH. THAT'S WHY I SUGGESTED THAT IT BE HERE. AND THANK YOU. I KNOW THAT THE COUNTY THEY USE THE SAME THING THE THREE MINUTES IT'S TIMED AND THEN IT SAME BUZZER. SO THANK YOU DAVID I APPRECIATE THAT. I JUST WANT TO GO BACK TO THE THE SMALL GROUP WHICH WOULD BE THE 13TH. SO THESE ARE THE ONLY QUESTIONS AS A DRAFT THAT WILL BE DISCUSSED AT THE SMALL TABLES. CORRECT. THREE GROUP EXERCISES BEGINNING ON PAGE FIVE AND ENDING ON PAGE SIX. CORRECT. OKAY. CAN I ASK A QUESTION? YES, SIR. CLARIFYING QUESTION BECAUSE I'M GETTING MORE CONFUSED RATHER THAN LESS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE SAYING AS POSSIBILITIES HERE. WHEN YOU SAY IF WE DO IT HERE, YOU MEAN HERE IN CHAMBERS? YEAH, YEAH. 
          BECAUSE AS I BEGAN TO THINK ABOUT IT, I MEAN, I THERE MAY BE SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES HERE. I MEAN, THE PURPOSE OF THESE MEETINGS, I THINK, IS TO BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER IN A. 
          SAFE SPACE, A SPACE WHERE THEY'RE NOT FEELING. PEOPLE ARE LOOKING OVER THEIR SHOULDER AT THEM WHERE THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, PARTICIPATE, GIVE US THEIR VIEWS. AND AND WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT MOVING TO SMALL TABLE DISCUSSIONS, INTERACTIVE DISCUSSIONS, ALL OF WHICH THIS ROOM IS NOT WELL SUITED FOR. AND YOU PUT THIS ON ON CAMERA. THAT'S AN INTIMIDATING FACTOR FOR SOME PEOPLE. YOU YOU INVITE PUBLIC COMMENT THAT'S INCONSISTENT WITH, IN MY OPINION, WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO, WHICH IS TO, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO SHARE THEIR VIEWS AND, AND AND AS I SAY, JUST PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, THIS ROOM IS NOT CONDUCIVE FOR BREAKOUTS AND SMALL TABLE DISCUSSIONS. SO I, I UNDERSTAND TRANSPARENCY AND OPENING IT UP TO OTHERS. BUT I'M ALSO BOTHERED BY THE INCONSISTENCY OF THAT FORMAT WITH WHAT I THINK WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO WITH THESE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS. I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT MORE COMPLICATED. WE DID HAVE THE SAME THING FOR BICYCLE AND MASTER PEDESTRIAN PLAN IN THIS ROOM, AND BROKE OUT INTO FOUR GROUPS IN THIS ROOM. THE OBVIOUSLY THE INTERACTION IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. YOU KNOW, EACH ONE'S GOING TO BE DIFFERENT. BUT HERE, HERE IS MY CONCERN. WE ALSO HAD DP'S DO THESE OUTSIDE GROUPS, AND I WENT TO EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM AND THEY DID GET. OKAY. WE HAD A DESIGN PLAN TO CREATE A BEAUTIFUL ART CENTER DOWN, DOWN IN IN THE DESIGN DISTRICT, CHANGE THE NAME, ALL OF THIS. 
          BUT NOW, AS TIME HAS GONE BY, YEAH, IT SOUNDED LIKE A GREAT THING. WE WERE GOING TO PUT ARTWORK DOWN ALLEYS. YOU KNOW, THE PRACTICALITY OF IT. AND BY THE WAY, PUTTING IT ON AS MILLION DOLLARS FOR CIP GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN THE LINE SEVERAL YEARS TO FIND OUT. 
          THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I UNDERSTAND PROJECTS AND UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE BREAKOUT SESSIONS AND HAVE LIVE DISCUSSION. BUT THESE QUESTIONS SEEM PRETTY EASY TO ME. I JUST, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU WOULD BE. AND BY THE WAY, I AGREE WITH YOU, KRAMER, THAT HAVING THE BUSINESS AND THE RESIDENTS ARE GOOD, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE DISTINCT 
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DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO OF THEM. SO I DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS WHOLE YOU'RE GOING TO PUT THEM IN A GROUP, AND WHO'S GOING TO BE THE GUIDE? THERE'S GOING TO BE SOMEONE FROM YOUR TEAM THAT'S GOING TO SIT WITH THAT GROUP, AND THEY'RE GOING TO EXPERIENCE. WE HAVEN'T. YEAH. 
          IN MY EXPERIENCE, WE HAVEN'T. YOU KNOW, THESE ARE ADULTS WHO ATTEND THESE MEETINGS AND THEY SIT AT THE TABLE AND THEY CONTEMPLATE AND SHARE THEIR INDIVIDUAL PERSPECTIVE WITH THEIR TABLEMATES ON THE KEY QUESTION. AND THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE QUESTIONS THAT CAN BE ANSWERED IN DIFFERENT WAYS. AND SO THEN THOSE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES, OR IF THEY'RE THE SAME PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S A LOT OF SMILING AND NODDING AND AGREEMENT. AND THAT GETS TABULATED ON A WORKSHEET THAT SAYS WE COULD AGREE TO THESE THINGS. THESE WERE OUR ANSWERS. WE COULD NOT AGREE TO THESE THINGS. THERE WAS TROUBLE IN PARADISE. WE COULDN'T ANSWER THIS OR COULDN'T ARRIVE AT A SOLUTION FOR THIS. AND THAT'S THE FEEDBACK THAT'S VALUABLE WHEN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHICH DIRECTION A COMMUNITY WANTS TO TAKE. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ALL THOSE DIFFERENT. WE EXPECTED 8 TO 10 OF THESE TABLES OR WORK GROUPS, AND THAT'S JUST INFORMATION. IT'S IT'S INFORMATION THAT WE GATHER. AND THEN WE REPORT BACK TO YOU THAT HERE'S WHAT CAME OF THAT QUESTION. WHERE CONSENSUS WAS FOUND, WHERE IT WASN'T FOUND, WHERE THERE WAS DIFFICULTY. AND THAT'S WHAT LEADS YOU TO THE NEXT ROUND OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. 
          YEAH. WELL, THAT ONE I'M A LITTLE BIT HESITANT ABOUT. BUT, YOU KNOW, CREATIVITY IS GREAT. 
          BUT THE LAST PUBLIC SESSION WE HAD WAS DISASTROUS. IT WAS ABOUT BUILDING CODES. AND IT TURNED INTO A NIGHTMARE. THEN THE BUILDING AND THE REALTORS AGAINST THE RESIDENTS. SO I I'M HESITATE IN HAVE IT WAS AT THE NORRIS CENTER IN TRYING TO DEVELOP THIS CONCEPT BUT I'VE BEEN TO THEM. I WAS AT THAT ONE. I'VE BEEN TO THE ONES ABOUT TPC, IF THAT'S THE GENERAL CONSENSUS, NO ONE ELSE HAS AN ISSUE WITH IT. WE'LL JUST MOVE FORWARD WITH THOSE MEETINGS. OBVIOUSLY, YOU CAN'T DO WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THESE THREE QUESTIONS AND DO BREAKOUT GROUPS TO HAVE THEM INTERACT. I MEAN, I ON THESE QUESTIONS. SO WITH THAT, I THINK WE HAVE TO HAVE BREAK BECAUSE IT'S 130 AND WE HAVE BEEN GOING. AND SO COUNCIL WILL TAKE A 20 MINUTE BREAK AND COME BACK AND WRAP THIS UP. MR. YOUNG, DID YOU HAVE A QUESTION. YEAH. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF WE COULD GET THE ITEM AND THE DIRECTION TO WRAP THIS ONE UP AND, AND LET THE CONSULTANT AND STAFF GO. I MEAN, I'M FINE WITH IT. I JUST WASN'T SURE HOW MANY MORE QUESTIONS WERE STILL OUT THERE. I GUESS IF IT'S JUST FROM THE MEETING PERSPECTIVE AND YOU HAD SAID, YOU KNOW HOW YOU FELT, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW OTHER MEMBERS OF COUNCIL FELT. I GUESS I JUST ASKED THE QUESTION, IS THERE A LOT MORE QUESTIONS ON THE ITEM BEFORE WE STOP IN THE MIDDLE? THAT'S ALL I WAS ASKING FOR. THAT'S MY CONCERN. I'M SURE I'M NOT. THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS. I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT HAD COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS. THE QUESTION ON WHAT MAYOR, THE QUESTIONNAIRE AND THE MEETING FORMAT. WELL, WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT THE SCHEDULE AND THEN THE MEETING FORMAT WILL COME AFTER THAT. THAT'S ALL I WAS TRYING TO GET AT MAYOR WAS WHETHER THERE WAS IT WAS IT WAS MORE THAN ONE ITEM. WAIT, WAIT. I'M SORRY. AND THEN WHAT ELSE DO WE NEED TO TO GIVE YOU FOR TODAY? THAT'S ALL. OKAY. AND SO AND THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS ON THE SURVEYS THEMSELVES THAT ARE GOING OUT THEN. CAN LIKE I'M READY TO. OKAY. WAIT. I HAVE ONE VICE MAYOR. YEAH. JUST A COUPLE DETAILED QUESTIONS HERE. THE PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETINGS, THE ROLE OF CITY COUNCIL. MR. ATTORNEY. MR. POLICY THAT'S MR. YOUNG. MR. YOUNG OKAY, SO WE'VE HEARD THE COMMENTS THAT CITY COUNCIL IS GOING TO BE ABLE TO ATTEND RIGHT. MEMBERS AND WATCH. 
          WHAT CAN WE NOT DO. OH SORRY I'M GOING TO DEFER THIS. PLEASE GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD MR. YOUNG. 
          NOW THAT'S YOU MR. I'M SORRY. CAN YOU REPEAT THE QUESTION? YEAH. SO THESE PUBLIC OUTREACH MEETINGS WERE INPUTS BEING SOUGHT ON QUESTIONS AND COLLABORATION. ET-CETERA AS AN ELECTED OFFICIAL. WHAT CAN WE NOT DO? WELL, IT'S DULY NOTICED. SO THE PUBLIC WILL UNDERSTAND THAT MORE THAN ONE OF YOU WILL BE THERE. HOWEVER, ALWAYS KEEP IN MIND THESE WILL COME FORWARD IN THE FORM OF LEGISLATION AT SOME POINT FOR A VOTE. SO I WOULD HOPE THE CONSULTANT, 
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ALONG WITH STAFF, WOULD NOT PUT TWO COUNCIL MEMBERS IN THE SAME STUDY GROUP. BUT FOR THE MOST PART, I THINK IT'S A PUBLIC MEETING. IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AS LONG AS THE CLERK IS NOTIFYING IT OF SUCH, THEN I WOULD NOT WANT YOU TO BE AT THE SAME GROUP OR BE TALKING AMONGST EACH OTHER. BUT IT'S OKAY TO BE THERE, OKAY? AND IF I'M A CANDIDATE IS ALL APPLIED TO ME, OR AM I FREE TO DO WHATEVER I WANT TO DO? IT'S A VERY SPECIFIC QUESTION. SO. 
          WHEN IT COMES TO WHEN THE PUBLIC RECORDS AND SUNSHINE LAW APPLIES TO SOMEONE WHO'S A CANDIDATE, IT'S WHEN THEY TAKE OFFICE, OKAY. GENERALLY SPEAKING. SO IF I'M JUST RUNNING FOR SOMETHING, THEN TECHNICALLY THE SUNSHINE LAW AND PUBLIC RECORDS DO NOT NECESSARILY APPLY TO ME. HOWEVER, THERE ARE ELECTION LAWS, THERE ARE CAMPAIGN MANAGERS. AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S A SEPARATE ISSUE THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE DOES NOT GET IN. BUT THE SUNSHINE LAW SPECIFICALLY. THANK YOU TWO. YEP. YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO PIGGYBACK ON TO THAT. AND THAT'S KIND OF THE DISCUSSION THAT I HAD WITH WITH ERIKA A LITTLE EARLIER, BECAUSE I WAS PONDERING WHETHER OR NOT YOU, YOU ALL FELT THAT PERHAPS BEING THERE IS FINE, BUT DO YOU REALLY WANT COUNCIL AND OR PAB ACTUALLY AT TABLES PARTICIPATING, OR DO YOU FEEL LIKE THAT MIGHT NOT ELICIT THE KIND OF INTERACTION THAT YOU THINK SHOULD TAKE PLACE? THAT'S THAT'S YOUR DECISION? I MEAN, WE'VE DEFINITELY, AS MATTHEW SAID, IT'S BEEN ADVERTISED FOR THE PAB AND COUNCIL TO BE THERE AT THE SAME TIME AS A PUBLIC MEETING. BUT I THINK YOU PROBABLY WANT TO THINK ABOUT, LIKE, WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT ELECTED AND APPOINTED OFFICIALS TO BE AT THOSE OR YOU WANT TO RESERVE THAT FOR REGULAR FOLKS. 
          RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND I WILL TELL YOU, THE LAST TIME I WENT THROUGH THIS, IT WAS PURELY OBSERVATION. THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT HAS TO BE THIS TIME. BUT THAT WAS WHAT YOU JUST SAID WAS ALMOST LEAVING IT HANGING AS SOMETHING THAT AT SOME POINT EITHER THAT'S TODAY THROUGH A CONSENSUS, OR WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE CLEAR DIRECTION. AND SO IN YOUR MIND, WHAT ARE YOU THINKING NEEDS TO HAPPEN? I WAS REALLY ASKING THE EXPERTS BECAUSE THEY'VE DONE THIS A LOT, AND I KNOW THAT THESE ARE INTO MR. KRISEMAN'S POINT ABOUT MAKING A SAFE. HE DIDN'T SAY SAFE, BUT A CALM, CONDUCIVE ENVIRONMENT TO THINKING CLEARLY ABOUT IMPORTANT TOPICS. AND IF MY INSTINCT IS IF THEY SEE AN ELECTED OFFICIAL OR SOMEBODY THAT'S GOVERNMENT RELATED AT THE TABLE, THEY MAY FEEL LIKE, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK UP OR I DON'T WANT TO SAY MY POINT OF VIEW, BUT IT'S CLEARLY A DECISION YOU HAVE TO MAKE. I MEAN, I, I JUST THOUGHT THAT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE THOUGHT ABOUT AND SAID BECAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE MEETING. AND I THINK, I THINK PROBABLY ME, I'LL BLAME MYSELF. 
          MAY HAVE LEFT THEM WITH THE IMPRESSION THAT THEY CAN FULLY PARTICIPATE AT THOSE TABLES, BUT YOU ALL HAVE THAT ABILITY TO SAY, NO, WE DON'T WANT APPOINTED OR ELECTED OFFICIALS THERE. IT'S UP TO YOU. SO, MADAM MAYOR, I JUST HE SAID IT AND IT'S NOW WHEN THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS OR IF THAT HAPPENS AT ALL, IN OTHER WORDS, THROUGH A CONSENSUS DISCUSSION HERE OR WE DON'T DEAL WITH IT OR WE DEAL WITH IT SOME OTHER TIME. SO I HAVE ONE LAST QUESTION, AND THIS IS ABOUT THE SMALL GROUP EXERCISES. IF I, IF I, A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY, I'M A SUBJECT MATTER EXPERT. AND WHATEVER YOU WANT TO IMAGINE, HOW ARE WE HOW ARE WE YOU BASICALLY HOW ARE THE FACILITATORS MANAGING THE SMALL GROUP EXERCISES? WHO GOES WHERE, WHO CAN, CAN ME AND MY EMPLOYEES ALL LOAD UP A TABLE? NO. AND HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MANAGE IT? JUST GET INTO EXACTLY HOW THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. THIS IS JUST FROM EXPERIENCE DEALING WITH ROOMS OF 100 TO 120 PEOPLE AT A TIME, AT LEAST A DOZEN OF THESE THAT I'VE BEEN THROUGH. THE THE POINT OF CONTACT AT THE FRONT DESK IS WHERE YOU ASSIGN A COLOR. YOU SAY YOUR PINK AND YOUR GREEN AND YOUR BLUE AND IT'S RANDOM AND AND IT'S BALANCED. AND THAT COLORED ASSIGNMENT IS ATTACHED TO A PINK TABLE OR BLUE TABLE OR GREEN TABLE. SO AS, AS GROUPS COME IN, IT'S RANDOM. IF YOU RANDOMLY WERE PINK AND YOU TOLD YOUR HUSBAND TO GO SEVEN STEPS BACK AND THEN HE WAS RANDOMLY PINK, IT COULD HAPPEN. BUT IN MY EXPERIENCE, IT HASN'T RESULTED. THERE HASN'T BEEN CORRUPTION IN THAT SCENARIO. AND THEN THOSE CONVERSATIONS 
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THAT OCCUR AT THOSE TABLES HAVE, IN MY EXPERIENCE, BEEN VERY ADULT AND HEALTHY AND ENERGIZED. 
          AND WE WE DO NOT TRY TO GUIDE OR STEER THOSE CONVERSATIONS. WE CAN SEE DURESS OR STRESS, AND WE CAN WALK OVER AND ASK IF EVERYTHING IS GOING OKAY. BUT IN MY EXPERIENCE, IT'S USUALLY A HEALTHY THING THAT PEOPLE DO. I THINK THAT THAT WILL BE HELPFUL TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, MAYBE WATCHING OR TALKING AT DINNER PARTIES ABOUT THIS MEETING AND THE CARE THAT'S GOING INTO HOW THINGS ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAPPEN. YES. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. OKAY. I HAVE ONE PUBLIC SPEAKER. IS THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? COUNCIL? I JUST I JUST WANT TO APOLOGIZE. I KNOW I CAN'T MAKE A MOTION. WE'RE NOT DOING THAT TODAY. NO, I WAS JUST YOU CAN. YEAH I WAS JUST SAYING THAT I, I COMPLETELY SUPPORT KEEPING THE ORIGINAL SCHEDULE AND ADDING JANUARY PERHAPS. AND I THINK IF THERE'S AN IMBALANCE OF INFLUENCE WHEN THE ANYBODY ON A BOARD OR COMMITTEE OR THE CITY COUNCIL WOULD BE SITTING AT A TABLE WITH OUR CITIZENS. AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE, AS A VICE MAYOR SUGGESTED, PROBABLY INAPPROPRIATE AND BETTER THAN IF WE JUST WERE OBSERVERS IN THIS PROCESS, BECAUSE WE GET TO WEIGH IN ANYWAY, LET, LET LET OUR CITIZENS. I DON'T WANT TO TAKE A SEAT FROM THOSE WILL BE THE THREE QUESTIONS. DO WE WANT TO REMAIN WITH THE SCHEDULE AS IT IS, OR DO WE WANT TO ADD ADD THE JANUARY? JANUARY? SESSION? WHAT WOULD BE THE JANUARY DATE? OKAY, BECAUSE THAT'S CRUCIAL. 
          I'M NOT I'M NOT ADVOCATING NECESSARILY ANOTHER JANUARY MEETING, BUT IF IT WILL HELP MOVE THIS FORWARD THEN AND I'M THEN I'M WILLING TO GO ALONG WITH THAT. DID I HEAR YOU? I'M SORRY. THE OTHER SIDE. THE OTHER SIDE. VICE MAYOR. THAT'S ONE. SO AM I HEARING YOU SAY THAT YOU WOULD ADVOCATE FOR EVEN DOING AWAY WITH THE SUMMER BREAK SO WE CAN GET ALL THIS DONE? I THAT WAS CHRIS. HE SAID HE'D GO THROUGH CHRISTMAS. AND THEN. WELL, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO KNOW WHEN THAT JANUARY DATE IS GOING TO BE. I THINK THAT'S CRUCIAL FOR ALL OF US ON COUNCIL TO UNDERSTAND WHEN THAT DATE WOULD BE. SO AS SOON AS POSSIBLE BEFORE WE WE PUT THAT INTO STONE. AND THEN THE OTHER QUESTION IS. I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE. OKAY. 
          I'LL JUST GIVE YOU I'M GOING TO GO DOWN THE ROAD. OKAY. BUT LET ME TAKE THIS PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          FISHER. GOOD AFTERNOON. IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. I HOPE THIS IS RELEVANT TO THIS, BUT I'M HERE TODAY. MY NAME IS LUANN FISHER. I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT OF NAPLES SINCE 1980. I'M A LIFETIME MEMBER OF THE UNITED STATES PROFESSIONAL TENNIS ASSOCIATION AND THE UNITED STATES TENNIS ASSOCIATION OF MORE THAN 45 YEARS, BEGINNING IN LATE 1994 TO 2001, I WAS THE DIRECTOR OF TENNIS OR THE MANAGER FOR KISSIMMEE PARK TENNIS CENTER. MY RESPONSIBILITIES WERE VAST, BUT MOST SIGNIFICANT INCLUDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE INTEGRAL INPUT OF THE DESIGN AND ON SITE MANAGEMENT DURING THE CONSTRUCTION AND INSTALLATION OF SOME OF THE FIRST SUBSURFACE CLAY COURTS IN SOUTHWEST FLORIDA SUBSURFACE, MEANING THEY ARE WATERING FROM THE GROUND UP INSTEAD OF TOP SURFACE WATERING, WHERE THE WATER JUST EVAPORATES UP. RIGHT HERE AT CAMBIER PARK. IT WAS REALLY SPECIAL TO WORK ON THAT PROJECT. THIS FACILITY HAS LONG BEEN A POINT OF PRIDE AND HISTORICAL SIGNIFICANCE FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES AND THE LOCAL TENNIS COMMUNITY. IT WAS RECOGNIZED BY THE UNITED STATES TENNIS ASSOCIATION AS THE OUTSTANDING FACILITY OF THE YEAR IN 1997, WHEN I WAS THE MANAGER, AND ALSO AGAIN IN 2020. FOR NEARLY THREE DECADES LATER. 
          MY PURPOSE IN SPEAKING TODAY IS TO ENSURE THE CAMBIER PARK TENNIS CENTER IS INCLUDED IN THE CITY'S LONG TERM COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING, WITH A THOUGHTFUL AND WELL FUNDED APPROACH FOR THE PRESERVATION AND SUSTAINABILITY OF OUR TENNIS COURTS AND INFRASTRUCTURE. SOME KEY CONCERNS AS A PROFESSIONAL IN IN TENNIS IS THAT THERE ARE SUBSURFACE LINERS THAT WHAT WE DIDN'T KNOW THEN AND WE KNOW NOW, HAVE ABOUT A 25 YEAR TO 30 YEAR LIFESPAN, WHICH MEANS AT SOME POINT IN TIME THERE'LL BE DISINTEGRATION OF THOSE LINERS. 
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AND THE WATER THAT IS FLOWING INTO THE COURTS WILL JUST DROP RIGHT DOWN INTO THE GROUND AND NOT UP TO THE TOP OF THE COURTS. THE MAIN REASON FOR THE DETERIORATION SOMETIMES THERE'S CHEMICAL COMPOSITION, THE WATER THAT WILL DO IT, I DID WHEN WE WERE PUTTING THOSE IN, WE DID MAKE STRONG EFFORTS TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS NOT REUSE WATER BEING USED UNDER THOSE COURTS BECAUSE OF THE NUTRIENTS THAT ARE IN THE REUSE WATER WOULD HAVE BEEN DETRIMENTAL TO THE COURTS GETTING ALGAE FROM THE BUILDING, ALGAE FROM ACTUALLY THE GROUND UP AND HARDENING. THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN CATASTROPHIC. SO AS FAR AS I KNOW, THEY'RE STILL USING CITY WATER FOR THOSE COURTS. BUT ONCE THE LINERS FAIL, THE WATER RETENTION AND THE DRAINAGE IS IS A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE. REPLACEMENT AND UPGRADING AND PLANNING SHOULD BE PART OF A 15 YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN FOR THE RUN OUT OF TIME HERE, BUT I'LL TRY AND WRAP IT UP. 
          CURRENTLY, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE MAINTENANCE PLANNING, HOW THAT APPEARS TO BE HANDLED. IT SHOULD BE. IT SHOULD BE NOT HANDLED JUST REACTIVELY. IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE A PREDICTABLE MODEL ON. THERE SHOULD BE TEN TONS OF CLAY BUDGETED PER COURT FOR EVERY EVERY THREE YEARS. NEW LINE TAPES. I THINK THEY DO THAT LASER GRADING EVERY SIX YEARS AND DEEP SCARIFICATION THAT THAT HELPS WITH THE THE PREVENTION OF ALGAE GROWTH ON THE TOP SURFACES, WHICH CAN BE VERY DANGEROUS FOR THE PLAYERS. ANYWAYS, I JUST WANTED TO KNOW IF THE CITY HAS A CURRENT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, CLEARLY OUTLINING A LONG TERM PRESERVATION PLAN FOR THE COURTS. I SUSPECT THE CITY ASSET OF THIS CALIBER HAS A DEDICATED LINE ITEM OR MULTI-YEAR PLAN WITH IT IN THE BUDGET. PROACTIVE PLANNING FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE MAINTENANCE WILL PREVENT THE EXPONENTIALLY GREATER EXPENSE THAT RESULT FROM THE DEFERRED MAINTENANCE. CAMBRIA PARKS NOT JUST A RECREATIONAL SPACE, IT'S A COMMUNITY ANCHOR THAT SUPPORTS YEAR ROUND PLAY INSTRUCTION, TOURNAMENTS THAT DRAW LOCAL RESIDENTS AND VISITORS. OF COURSE, THAT LAND WAS DEEDED A LONG TIME AGO FOR RECREATIONAL PURPOSE, AND WE ARE VERY BLESSED TO HAVE THAT LAND, YOU KNOW, FOR FOR THE TENNIS AND PLAYGROUND AND EVERYTHING ELSE. CLOSING MY REQUEST IS SIMPLE IF THE CITY OF NAPLES COULD FORMALLY REVIEW AND PROPERLY INTEGRATE CAMBRIA PARK TENNIS CENTER INTO ITS LONG TERM FACILITIES, PLAN WITH A CLEAR STRATEGY FOR SURFACE PRESERVATION, LINER REPLACEMENT AND STRUCTURED MAINTENANCE FUNDING THAT WOULD BE AMAZING. THIS WILL NOT ONLY PROTECT THE CITY'S INVESTMENT, BUT ALSO HONOR THE LEGACY OF THE FACILITY RECOGNIZED FOR EXCELLENCE, ENSURING THAT FUTURE GENERATIONS CAN ENJOY SAME HIGH STANDARDS THAT MAKE CAMBIA PARK SUCH A PROUD COMMUNITY. I'M SORRY, I'M READING. I HAD NO IDEA I WAS GOING TO TALK THIS LONG TODAY, SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND PARTICIPATING. I'M GOING TO ASK THE QUESTION NOW AND THAT IS THANK YOU. IF THIS IS MORE OF THIS DRILLS DOWN INTO THE COMP PLAN INTO THE PARKS AND REC. SO WHEN I LOOK AT THESE DRAFT, WHEN WILL THOSE TYPE CONCERNS LIKE WHAT ARE YOU DOING WITH THE PARKS AND REC. WHEN WILL THAT BE PART OF THIS PROCESS? TWO THINGS THEY'LL ADDRESS. BUT THEN I ALSO WANT TO REMIND YOU THAT WE ARE JUST IN THE MIDDLE OF UPDATING THE PARKS MASTER PLAN AS WELL. SO THERE IS A CONCURRENT PROCESS GOING THROUGH CHAD'S DEPARTMENT, THROUGH COMMUNITY SERVICES, AGAIN, THROUGH COMMUNITY SERVICES. THEY HAVE THEIR OWN CONSULTANT, AND THEY'RE WORKING ON THE MASTER PLAN FOR ALL THE PARKS IN THE CITY. SO THEY'LL THERE WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          BUT THEN WE ARE ALSO WORKING WITH THAT CONSULTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THIS IS IS A COHESIVE AS THE COMP PLAN MOVES FORWARD. SO I'LL MAKE SURE THAT I GET CHAD'S LISTENING. HE'S IN THE BACK. YOUR INFORMATION. I DIDN'T GET THAT. DID YOU TRY AGAIN? I'M TRYING. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO PUT YOUR EMAIL ON THIS WITH THE CLERK, THEN WE'LL ADD YOU TO THAT MASTER PLAN LIST SO THAT YOU'LL BE INFORMED ABOUT THAT. THANK YOU. WAIT. I'M SORRY. THAT CONCLUDES PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU. JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR MR. DICKMAN. SO YOUR BACKGROUND, YOUR HISTORY, WE'RE VERY HAPPY THAT YOU HAD THE KNOWLEDGE AND PLANNING IN THIS PLANNING. DO YOU HAVE YOU MADE RECOMMENDATIONS AT ALL TO. THE DIRECTION AND AND CHANGES, OR WILL YOU BE REVIEWING THIS TO MAKE. YEAH, I MEAN, WE'RE HAVING INTERNAL MEETINGS EVERY FRIDAY. MY OFFICE IS ATTENDING THOSE. I READ THOSE NOTES. I WEIGH IN ON THEM. I'M AT THE ALL THE MEETINGS WHEN THEY'RE HERE AND WE SPEAK AND WE COMMUNICATE WITH ONE ANOTHER. 
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SO YES, I'M ENGAGED. JUST WANTED TO CHECK. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. WITH THAT COUNCIL, I'M GOING TO GO DOWN THE ROAD FOR KEEPING THE PLAN AS THE WAY THAT IT IS, AND POSSIBLY WITH DISCUSSION, FURTHER DISCUSSION QUICKLY ON A AT ANOTHER TIME. WHETHER WE WILL ADD THAT JANUARY MEETING AND THEN THE CONTINUE WITH THE NOVEMBER MEETING AT THE DESIGNATED PLACES AND THEN SPECIFICALLY WHAT COMES BACK SHOULD BE I MEAN, HOW LONG IS THAT INFORMATION GOING TO TAKE? BECAUSE THAT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO US. SO WE UNDERSTAND HOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE REST OF THE OUTREACH. BUT THAT THIRD QUESTION WAS, MADAM MAYOR, CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE JANUARY MEETING? JUST TO BE CLEAR, YES. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT JANUARY, ANOTHER PUBLIC INPUT OR JUST HAVING THE A JOINT SESSION? BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT MEETING YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY SPEAKING ON. OH, NO. BECAUSE IF YOU KEEP THE ORIGINAL PLAN, THERE WAS ALREADY A JOINT MEETING. SO JANUARY, JANUARY. 
          SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT'S ADDING. MARCH. IS THAT RIGHT. ADDING A MARCH MEETING I THINK THERE WAS A DISCUSSION ABOUT ADDING ANOTHER PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETING, SIMILAR TO THE NOVEMBER 30TH MEETING, BUT ADDING AN ADDITIONAL ONE IN JANUARY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. 
          BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE OF THAT SO THAT I UNDERSTOOD THAT THAT WAS IT WAS CLEAR THAT THAT'S WHAT WAS BEING PUBLIC HEARING. BUT A ANOTHER OFF SITE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. BUT WHAT. 
          AND THAT WOULD THEN PUSH, THOUGH, THAT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A PAB IN JOINT CITY COUNCIL MEETING. ARE YOU KEEPING THAT IN THE SAME WAY? I WOULD RECOMMEND WE WE ALREADY HAVE A PUBLIC MEETING AND THAT'S PAB COUNCIL AND IT'S WE HAVE A JOINT MEETING. YES. I WOULDN'T RECOMMEND COLLABORATIVE. THAT'S NOT GETTING DONE WHAT THEY WANT TO GET DONE IN TERMS OF I DON'T THINK INPUT I DON'T CARE, I DON'T I DON'T HAVE A DOG IN THE FIGHT, I JUST WANT TO MOVE IT FORWARD. SO AND THAT'S WHY I WANTED TO GET CLARIFICATION. WHAT WE'RE REALLY OKAY. THANK YOU. SO AT YOUR SECOND ROUND, WHICH IS SCHEDULED FOR FEBRUARY, WHAT'S THAT SECOND ROUND OF OF THAT'S THAT'S ANOTHER SIMILAR FORMAT OF MEETING BUT WITH THE INFORMATION AND WHAT WE'VE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ITERATIVELY BUILT UPON FROM HAVING ONE ROUND OF INPUT AND HAVING A VISIT WITH YOU IN JANUARY, WE WOULD THEN ROLL OUT AN ENGAGEMENT, A SERIES OF ENGAGEMENT IN FEBRUARY, ANOTHER WORKSHOP. SO BASED ON THAT, YOUR INTENTION WAS TO COME BACK TO COUNCIL AND PAB IN A JOINT SESSION BEFORE THE SECOND MEETING. CORRECT? OKAY. CORRECT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO DO OR NOT DO. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS LEVEL SET BEFORE WE GOT THERE, THAT'S ALL. YEAH, I, I SEE ONLY ONE THEN. AND IT WOULD BE IN FEBRUARY AFTER OUR PUBLIC, OUR JOINT MEETING WITH PAB AND CITY COUNCIL. SO IF I DON'T THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE ONE ADDED IN JANUARY. OKAY, OKAY. AND THEN MAYOR, YOU DID ASK WHAT THE THIRD QUESTION WAS. YES, SIR. ARE YOU GOING TO ALLOW ELECTED OFFICIALS AND ADVISORY BOARDS? THANK YOU SIR, TO PARTICIPATE. YEAH. AND SO THE OTHER WOULD BE THE PARTICIPATING OF ELECTED OFFICIALS. AND PERSONALLY I AGREE THAT IT SHOULD BE OBSERVATION ONLY AND NOT PARTICIPATION. THIS IS A TIME FOR THEM TO TALK. SO ALSO PAB MEMBERS. SO NOT JUST ELECTED NOT JUST ELECTED, IT WOULD BE PA MEMBERS ALSO. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT INCLUDES ADVISORY BOARD, CORRECT. BECAUSE YOU SAID JUST ELECTED. BUT I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR TO PAB. 
          YES OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO DOWN THE LINE, KRAMER. YES, MA'AM. TO WHAT YOU SAID. OKAY. 
          SO LEAVE JANUARY AS THE PAB AND CITY COUNCIL WORK JOINT WORKSHOP POSSIBLY ADD MARCH, BUT WE'RE GOING TO DETERMINE THAT LATER AND NOT JANUARY. AND ALSO THAT IT WOULD BE PURELY OBSERVATION FOR ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL OR BOARD MEMBER THAT GOES TO THE NOVEMBER MEETING. 
          BE AN OBSERVER. PETRANOFF. RIGHT. WHEN WOULD BE THE FIRST PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT NOVEMBER? YES. SCHEDULE? THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S ALREADY ON THE SCHEDULE. THAT'S ON THE SCREEN. OKAY. I'M THINKING. SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IS WHAT INFORMATION YOU GATHER FROM THAT? WHEN WILL COUNCIL SEE IT? JANUARY. JANUARY AT THE JOINT MEETING. YES. THANK YOU. 
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OKAY. IF YOU WANT TO THINK I CAN GO, WILL WE WILL WE ALSO BE GETTING THE SURVEY THAT'S ONLINE. THAT WHAT. YOU KNOW WHOEVER FILLED IT OUT. SO WE'LL BE GETTING THE WHOLE COLLECTION. 
          YES. YES. WE NEED WE NEED TO MOVE FAST. WE NEED TO GET THIS INFORMATION AND THEN SPIT IT BACK OUT TO YOU. OKAY, THEN. THEN YES. AND TO CLARIFY, YOU DID TELL THE VICE MAYOR THAT THE INPUT TIME AND THE DEADLINE OF COLLECTING INFORMATION WAS WEEK FOR NOVEMBER 6TH TO DECEMBER 6TH. SO THEN THE PUBLIC WE'D HAVE THE PUBLIC COULD NOT GIVE ANY MORE INPUT AFTER THE JOINT MEETING. NO. THEN WE'VE GOT THE FEBRUARY MEETINGS AND PROBABLY ANOTHER SURVEY THAT WOULD GO OUT. WE'LL HAVE TO DETERMINE WHAT THOSE QUESTIONS WILL BE. YEAH. OKAY. 
          VICE MAYOR. YEAH. JUST FIRST I DO SUPPORT IT. AND JUST FOR THE SAKE OF EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE, JANUARY 1ST IS THE THURSDAY. THAT'S NEW YEAR'S DAY, JANUARY 19TH, MLK DAY, JUNIOR MLK JUNIOR DAY, THE 20TH, THE WORKSHOP FOR COUNCIL, THE 21ST CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND THE 26TH THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL MEETING IS PLANNED. YEAH. AND THAT WAS GOING TO BE MY QUESTION IS, IS ONCE YOU MAKE IT DOWN, THE TABLE WAS GOING TO ASK YOU, DO YOU? BECAUSE AGAIN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LIMITED THINGS THAT WE'RE FORESHADOWING TO THE FUTURE. I THINK IF WE CAN GET THE THE JANUARY 20TH WORKSHOP TO BE A JOINT SESSION, BECAUSE REMEMBER, YOU DO HAVE AN ELECTION IN FEBRUARY. SO ANYTHING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE WORKSHOPPING CAN JUST AS EASILY FALL TO THE NEXT AFTER THE ELECTION. SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD MEETING TO HAVE IT. AND RATHER THAN SCHEDULING ANOTHER WORKSHOP, JUST CONVERTING THAT ONE TO A JOINT WORKSHOP. YEP. I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP THESE KEY DATES, THAT'S ALL THAT THE JOINT WOULD BE. THE WORKSHOP IS NOW ON THE TABLE. THANK YOU. WAS THAT A YES? YES TO ALL THREE? ALL THREE. CHRISTIAN, WE SHOULD STICK WITH THE NOVEMBER WORKSHOP. FIRST OF ALL, LET'S REMEMBER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO MEETINGS IN EACH OF THESE MONTHS THAT THERE'S PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. IT'S NOT ONE MEETING. THERE'S TWO MEETINGS. SO TWO MEETINGS IN NOVEMBER. I UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEMS WITH SCHEDULING PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. IN JANUARY. WE'LL HAVE TWO MEETINGS IN FEBRUARY ACCORDING TO THE SCHEDULE. I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP OPEN THE POSSIBILITY FOR NOW OF ADDITIONAL PUBLIC PARTICIPATION MEETINGS IN MARCH, EVEN IF THAT MEANS ADJUSTING THE SCHEDULE. 
          OVERALL SCHEDULE AS A RESULT. AND WE COULD SORT OF SEE HOW THINGS ARE SHAPING UP IN TERMS OF THE FEELING ABOUT PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AS WE GET CLOSER TO MARCH IN TERMS OF THE. 
          FORMAT, THE YOU KNOW, I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE THE WHAT WHAT OUR CONSULTANTS ARE PROPOSING FORMAT WISE AND HAVE GONE THROUGH IS VERY, VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE DID WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE VISIONING PROCESS LAST TIME, WHICH WAS VIEWED BY EVERYONE AS EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL. AND, AND SO I, I, I FEEL LIKE THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, A VERY POSITIVE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IN TERMS OF WHAT KIND OF AN OUTCOME WE'RE GOING TO GET. AND THEN AND THEN FINALLY, I'D SAY ABSOLUTELY NOT TO. I MEAN, WE SHOULD WE SHOULD DEFINITELY SEND A MESSAGE THAT DISCOURAGES COUNCIL AND ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS FROM PARTICIPATING IN THESE PUBLIC PARTICIPATION SESSIONS. I PERSONALLY DON'T EVEN THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO HAVE THE PEOPLE ELECTED OFFICIALS OR ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS THERE AS OBSERVERS. I THINK IT IT IT INFLUENCES, IN AN INDIRECT WAY THE CONVERSATION. WE'RE GOING TO GET THAT INPUT EVENTUALLY. 
          ANYWAY. I HAVE FOR AS A CONSENSUS. SO YEAH, THANK YOU. INCLUDING ME. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. THE CURRENT SCHEDULE IS GOOD. WE DON'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING. IT'S GOING TO STAY DOWN UNDER THE WHEELS OF BUREAUCRACY COMING TO SOME TYPE OF CONCLUSION ON ANYTHING. AND IF WE NEED TO CONSIDER ADDING ANOTHER PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT BECAUSE THE FIRST FOUR WEREN'T ENOUGH, THERE'S TWO ON EACH OF THE DAYS. SO THE FIRST ONE IN NOVEMBER, THE THOSE IN NOVEMBER AND THOSE IN FEBRUARY WEREN'T ENOUGH. THEN MAYBE WE SHOULD CONSIDER ADDING ONE IN IN MARCH, BUT WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION AT A LATER DATE. KEEPING THE MEETINGS AT THE CURRENT LOCATIONS I AGREE WITH, AND I ALSO AGREE WITH NOT ALLOWING ELECTED OFFICIALS OR ADVISORY BOARD MEMBERS TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE DO HAVE A MADAM 
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MAYOR. I HAVE TO SAY, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT IT WAS AN OPTION TO TO PROHIBIT US FROM GOING AT ALL BECAUSE I WOULD HAVE SAID YES TO THAT. MR. KRISEMAN SAID, WELL, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD EVEN BE AROUND IT. NO, THAT'S SO WE MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT WE MAY HAVE CONSENSUS ON WITH A DIFFERENT WITH ME GOING. AND LEONARD JUST ECHOED ME AND RAY, THAT'S THREE. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE BERN WOULD BE ON US NOT BEING IN THE ROOM. I JUST DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE IF THAT'S AN OPTION FOR US NOT TO BE THERE. WELL, WAIT A MINUTE TO PROHIBIT US, IN OTHER WORDS, FROM BEING THERE. I'VE ALREADY TAKEN A CONSENSUS. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT I WAS, I DIDN'T KNOW I HAD THAT OPTION. YEAH, YEAH. JUST DON'T GO. DON'T GO. THAT WOULD GO FOR BOARDS TOO AS WELL. I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE AGREEING. SO IT'S HARD BECAUSE IT'S TECHNICALLY A PUBLIC MEETING AND THESE ARE ALL CITIZENS. BUT I THINK YOU HAVE MADE IT CLEAR THAT YOU ARE DISCOURAGING ANY INFLUENCE AT ALL FROM DECISION MAKERS IN THE PURELY OBSERVATION. THANK YOU, MR. MCCONNELL, FOR THAT. AND THEN WORK. THANK YOU VERY MUCH TO THE TEAM AT JOHNSON. FOR STAFF, I WOULD ONLY SAY THERE'S ONE THING THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED WITH THE CITY MANAGER, AND THAT IS WHETHER THERE NEEDS TO BE A PUBLIC PAB COUNCIL MEETING, PLUS A MEETING FOR PRESIDENTS COUNCIL IN THAT MONTH OF JANUARY. AND THAT'S YOUR PRESIDENTS COUNCIL. AND YOU CAN DECIDE THAT OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT HALF AN HOUR LATER WE WILL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE WILL TAKE A 20 MINU 
          [6.C) Please be advised that this item will be continued to a future City Council Workshop or Regular Meeting. 
 
A Presentation and Discussion Regarding the Special Event Permit Process and Usage of Public Space for Special Event Purposes (Supplement 1/Updated Item).]
          [6.D) A Discussion on Current Naming Rights Policy Established by Resolution 08-12283 and the “Memorial Bench Program” with Proposed Updates.  ]
50% OR MORE OF THE COST OF THE CONTRIBUTED ACQUISITION, DEVELOPMENT, MAINTENANCE OR CONTINUING OPERATIONS. SO IT GIVES YOU A LITTLE BIT OF SUBSTANCE. AND AS FAR AS THE COST, AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT HOW THAT TIES INTO SOME OTHER QUESTIONS THAT WERE RAISED. BUT AS YOU GO THROUGH HERE, YOU KNOW, ONE THING THAT'S IN HERE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP IS EXTRAORDINARY, EXTRAORDINARY SERVICE OR GIFT. 
          SO AGAIN, YOU TALK ABOUT 50% OF THE VALUE OF ACQUISITION OR A PARTICULAR PROJECT. BUT HOW DOES IT WEIGH IN IF YOU HAVE A CURRENT PIECE OF WE'LL JUST CALL IT A FACILITY THAT'S NOT NAMED AND SOMEBODY WANTS TO GAIN NAMING RIGHTS, IS THERE AN AMOUNT THAT WE COULD FIGURE ON THAT IT'S 50% OF THE VALUE OF ITS CURRENT STATUS OR WHAT? THAT DOESN'T REALLY TELL YOU IN HERE JUST TALKS ABOUT THE ACQUISITION AND MAINTENANCE, EXTRAORDINARY GIFT OR SERVICE. 
          IT SAYS FACILITY MAY BE NAMED TO HONOR SOMEBODY DECEASED. IF RECOGNIZE THE MOST EXTRAORDINARY GIFT OR
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