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GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME TO THE CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP.
SEPTEMBER 22ND, 2025. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL.
COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER KRISTIN HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN HERE.
COUNCIL MEMBER. PETRANOFF HERE. VICE MAYOR HUTCHINSON HERE.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, MR. YOUNG. GOOD MORNING.
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GOOD MORNING. MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. NO CHANGES, MAYOR.NO CHANGES TO THE AGENDA AND SETTING THE AGENDA.
COUNCIL. ANY CHANGES? NO. DO I HAVE A MOTION MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA? SECOND. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CHRISMAN AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER PETRANOFF.
ALL IN FAVOR? SIGN BY I. I. THANK YOU. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
NEXT ITEM IS ITEM FOUR, WHICH IS PUBLIC COMMENT.
[4. PUBLIC COMMENTS]
IF YOU'D LIKE TO SPEAK IN PUBLIC COMMENT, THERE ARE REGISTRATION FORMS IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM THAT CAN BE FILLED OUT AND GIVEN TO THE CLERK.I HAVE ONE PUBLIC SPEAKER. MR. NASH. JOHN NASH.
GOOD MORNING. AND IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE.
GOOD MORNING. I'M JOHN NASH HERE ON BEHALF OF RESPONSIBLE GOVERNMENT NAPLES.
WE'RE A GROUP MADE UP OF CITIZENS WILLING TO VOLUNTEER THEIR TIME AND TO GIVE THE PEOPLE OF NAPLES A VOICE IN THEIR LOCAL GOVERNMENT. WE'RE HERE TO OFFER SOLUTIONS, WORK WITH OUR ELECTED LEADERS, AND AGREE ON WHAT WE CAN DO TOGETHER TO MAKE OUR CITY GREAT. THE CITIZENS OF NAPLES DESERVE NOTHING LESS.
CLEARLY, WORKING WITHIN YOUR SYSTEM WON'T WORK FOR US, AND OUR TIME IS RUNNING OUT.
NOW, AS WE LEARNED ON MONDAY, THE COLLIER COUNTY LEGISLATIVE DELEGATION HAS LOST CONFIDENCE IN THIS CITY, WHICH YOU RUN TO EFFECTIVELY STEWARD ONE OF OUR MOST SIGNIFICANT RESOURCES, THE NAPLES AIRPORT. THAT'S RIGHT. AT THE STATE LEVEL, OUR LEADERS HAVE LOST FAITH IN YOUR ABILITY TO MANAGE THIS CITY EFFECTIVELY.
AND IT'S NOT JUST THE STATE LEGISLATORS, BUT THE PEOPLE, TOO.
ON WEDNESDAY, A GROUP OF CITIZENS FILED A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE CITY'S EGREGIOUS REGULATORY OVERREACH.
ITS IRRESPONSIBILITY HAS TO STOP. THE COUNCIL PASSED A RESOLUTION THAT CLEARLY DEFIES STATE LAW.
SO A GROUP OF CITIZENS IS PUTTING THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY INTO A LAWSUIT TO STOP IT. AT THE SAME TIME, YOU'RE USING MORE AND MORE OF OUR OWN TAX DOLLARS TO DEFEND YOUR POOR JUDGMENT AND FIGHT THIS LAWSUIT. NOW, THE CITIZENS OF NAPLES ARE PAYING FOR BOTH SIDES OF THE LAWSUIT OVER AN ISSUE THAT ONLY EXISTS BECAUSE OF YOUR RECKLESS DESIRE FOR MORE CONTROL.
YOU'RE ENGAGING IN LAWLESS ACTIVITIES ON BEHALF OF A DEEPLY MISINFORMED MINORITY.
WE'RE ALL HUMAN AND IT'S OKAY TO MAKE MISTAKES.
IT'S HOW YOU HANDLE THOSE MISTAKES THAT IS THE TRUE TEST OF ONE'S CHARACTER. THE LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY YOU HAVE SHOWN IN YOUR HANDLING OF YOUR DUI TRIAL IS A FAILURE OF THAT TEST, AND AN INSULT TO THE PEOPLE OF NAPLES. INSTEAD OF ALLOWING THE JUSTICE SYSTEM TO FUNCTION, YOU'VE USED YOUR INFLUENCE AND POSITION TO DELAY YOUR TRIAL OVER SIX TIMES.
YOU ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU SIT IN THAT CHAIR. IT LEADS ME TO WONDER WHAT OTHER KIND OF ABUSES OF MONEY POWER IN THE SYSTEM ARE HAPPENING AT YOUR HANDS THAT WE DON'T EVEN KNOW ABOUT. THIS LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY IS UNACCEPTABLE.
THE PEOPLE OF NAPLES DESERVE BETTER. THERE HAVE BEEN ENOUGH DELAYS, ENOUGH DIVERSIONS AND ENOUGH DISTRACTIONS FROM THE PROBLEMS THAT PLAGUE OUR CITY. OUR REPRESENTATIVES AT THE STATE LEVEL ARE USING LEGISLATION TO STOP YOU, BECAUSE THEY HAVE OFFICIALLY LOST FAITH IN YOU TO RUN THE CITY RESPONSIBLE RESPONSIBLY.
MAYOR HEITMANN, IT'S TIME FOR YOU TO SAVE THE TAXPAYERS TIME AND MONEY AND RESIGN.
I'M OFFICIALLY ASKING FOR YOUR RESIGNATION ON BEHALF OF RESPONSIBLE GOVERNMENT. NAPLES.
DO THE RIGHT THING. STEP DOWN HONORABLY FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES AND MAKE SPACE FOR A TRUSTWORTHY, ACCOUNTABLE LEADER WE CAN RESPECT. THANK YOU.
DO YOU HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? I HAVE NONE.
SO WE'LL LEAVE IT AT THAT, SIR. THANK YOU. MOVING NOW TO DISCUSSION ITEMS.
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FIVE A THANK YOU, MAYOR. I'LL INTRODUCE THIS ITEM.[5.A. Discussion and Review of the City’s Resilience Vision and Plan. (Bob Middleton, Director of Public Works)]
AS YOU KNOW FIRST OF ALL, THIS THIS ITEM WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR SOME TIME OVER THE SUMMER, AND THIS IS THE ATTEMPT OF THIS IS TO PUT TOGETHER THE RESILIENCY, NOT ONLY THE EFFORTS OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO, BUT ALSO EFFORTS OF WHAT HAS BEEN DONE TO CAPTURE IT ALL IN ONE PLACE, BECAUSE THESE THINGS HAVE TO TRY TO BUILD UPON ITSELF AND EACH EACH OTHER, EACH ACTION HAS A CORRESPONDING ADDITIONAL ACTION THAT IS NEEDED.SO THIS IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A BE ALL, END ALL.
THIS IS IT. RESILIENCY. THIS IS THE OPENING SALVO OF WHAT WE NEED TO CONTINUE TO BUILD UPON.
AND SO YOUR FEEDBACK TODAY WILL BE IMPORTANT.
THIS IS THIS IS A DRAFT RESILIENCY PLAN OBVIOUSLY.
AND WITH WITH BENCHMARKS AND WATERMARKS OF THINGS WE'VE ALREADY ACCOMPLISHED.
SO WE THINK THIS IS A GOOD OPPORTUNITY TO GAIN YOUR FEEDBACK, KNOW WHERE WE'VE COME FROM, WHERE WE NEED TO GO, AND THEN HOPEFULLY CONTINUE TO TO TO LAY OUT THAT ROADMAP OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO YET.
SO WITH THAT, I WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO BOB MIDDLETON AND DOCTOR YEOMANS, AND THEY'LL GO FROM THERE.
SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD MORNING, MR. MIDDLETON.
GOOD TO BE HERE WITH YOU TODAY. AND AS THE CITY MANAGER SAID, YEAH, THIS IS A A DRAFT PLAN.
WE'VE SPENT A LOT OF TIME ON IT. AND THIS HAS BEEN A CITYWIDE DEPARTMENT WIDE PROJECT THAT WE'VE WORKED ON, AND I THINK WE'VE GOT A GOOD START AND WE'LL WE'LL SHARE THAT WITH YOU.
TO START WITH OPENING COMMENTS THE CITY OF NAPLES HAS DEVELOPED A RESILIENT AND CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE RELIABILITY INITIATIVE AS KNOWN AS THE RESILIENT PLAN WHICH IS A COMPREHENSIVE, RESILIENT PLAN DESIGNED TO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY FROM TROPICAL STORMS, HURRICANES, LONG TERM SEA RISE, SEA LEVEL RISE.
AND THIS INITIATIVE BUILDS UPON CITIES WORK, INCLUDING THE STORMWATER OUTFALL PROJECT, WATER QUALITY PROGRAMS, THE MULTI BASIN IMPLEMENTATION PLANNING THE CLIMATE VULNERABILITY AND CLIMATE ADAPTATION AND MITIGATION PLANNING STUDIES COMPLETED OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS UNDER THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
DAVID, DO YOU HAVE THE POWERPOINT UP? THERE IT IS.
THERE YOU GO. EXCUSE ME. I KIND OF WENT OVER THE INTRODUCTION, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS AS LOCAL GOVERNMENTS FACE INCREASING CHALLENGES FROM CLIMATE HAZARDS, NATURAL DISASTERS, ECONOMIC DISRUPTIONS AND PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCIES.
THIS PLAN PROVIDES A ROADMAP TO STRENGTHEN PREPAREDNESS, ENSURE COMMUNITY CONTINUITY OF SERVICES, AND SAFEGUARD PUBLIC HEALTH. BEING THE OBJECTIVES OF THE PLAN IS TO, NUMBER ONE, PROTECT PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY ENSURE CONTINUITY IN OUR GOVERNMENT AGENCIES SO THAT ALL OF OUR AGENCIES UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE ON ONE PLAN, ONE PATH TO COME TO ENACT THIS RESILIENT PLAN SAFEGUARD AND UPGRADE CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
THAT'S A BIG PART OF THIS IS YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE MULTI BASIN ASSESSMENT, THE BASIN THREE ASSESSMENTS THE STORMWATER STORMWATER OUTFALL PROJECT THAT WE HAVE GOING ON ON GULF SHORE BOULEVARD TO PROMOTE SUSTAINABLE GROWTH AND DEVELOPMENT, WHATEVER DEVELOPMENT OCCURS THAT THAT THEY HAVE IN THEIR PLANS, LEVEL OF RESILIENCE ITEMS THEN TO STRENGTHEN THE COMMUNITY PREPAREDNESS AND ENGAGE THEM IN OUR PROGRAMS. HERE'S SOME OF THE KEY THREATS THAT WE DISCUSSED AND WE WILL DISCUSS IN THIS IS THE ONE THE CLIMATE, CLIMATE IMPACTS. WE WE KNOW WE HAVE FLOODING.
THERE ARE INSTANCES WHERE FLOODING OCCURS DURING HEAVY RAINS.
THE THE SHORT BUT HEAVY DURATION THE HEAVY AMOUNT OF RAINFALL WE GET HEAT WAVES, SEVERE STORMS, HURRICANES. YOU KNOW WHAT HURRICANES WILL DO AS FAR AS IMPACTING OUR COASTLINES, ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE A SURGE EVENT.
THE OTHER THINGS WE NEED TO LOOK AT IS THE INFRASTRUCTURE FAILURES.
WHERE DO WE HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE FAILURES? NUMBER ONE IS POWER.
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HOPEFULLY WITH THE RESILIENCE PROGRAM SET ASIDE BY OTHER COMPANIES LIKE FPL AND IN THEIR HARDENING PROJECTS, HOPEFULLY THAT WILL SUSTAIN WE WILL HAVE A MORE RESILIENT POWER GRID.UTILITIES WATER AND SEWER YOU KNOW, TO MAINTAIN THOSE, WE'VE GOT TO HAVE PROGRAMS AND PLANS ON HOW TO UPGRADE AND MAINTAIN THOSE THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. TRANSPORTATION. YOU KNOW, WITHOUT ONCE WE GET INTO THE STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS, THEN WE'VE GOT A DESIGN FOR THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE MEETING ALL OF OUR BENCHMARKS AS FAR AS WHAT OUR DESIGN PARAMETERS ARE GOING TO BE RELATED TO STORMWATER.
ONCE WE DO THAT, THEN WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE UTILITIES.
YOU KNOW, DO UTILITIES IN THAT AREA NEED TO BE REPLACED AT THE SAME TIME? ARE THERE CONFLICTS THAT WILL OCCUR WHILE WE'RE INSTALLING THIS STORMWATER SYSTEM? THE LAST PART OF THAT IS IS THE ROADS, THE TRANSPORTATION.
WHAT DO WE WHAT ELEVATIONS DO WE HAVE THE ROADS SET AT? THAT'S THE TYPE OF PLANNING THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE TO BRING THIS ALL TOGETHER.
SO IT'S JUST NOT WITHOUT ONE PIECE. THE OTHER PIECES FAIL.
SO CYBERSECURITY THREATS WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.
YOU KNOW WE'RE CONSTANTLY LOOKING AT HOW WE CAN IMPROVE ON OUR SECURITY OF OUR OF OUR CYBER SYSTEM.
PUBLIC HEALTH EMERGENCY, YOU MAY SAY. WHAT ABOUT WHAT YOU GOT PUBLIC HEALTH IN HERE FOR? WELL, THAT IS A LEVEL THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT.
NOT THAT WE HAVE A WHOLE CAN DO A WHOLE LOT ABOUT THAT.
BUT THAT'S ONE OF THE RISKS. RISKS THAT, THAT WE FACE.
YOU KNOW, WE WE WENT THROUGH COVID AND IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE MANPOWER OR STAFFING TO, TO MAINTAIN SERVICES WITHIN THE CITY, WHAT DO YOU DO? WELL, WE KIND OF KNOW HOW WE DEAL WITH THAT.
THEN FROM THERE, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIC TURNDOWNS NOT NECESSARILY WHAT THE CITY CAN DO WITH THAT, BUT HOW THAT AFFECTS US. YOU KNOW, IF WE HAVE A DOWNTURN IN THE ECONOMY AND WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH TRADE, WE CAN'T GET THE EQUIPMENT AND PIECES WE NEED.
LIKE YOU REMEMBER YEARS AGO, A FEW YEARS AGO WE COULDN'T GET GARBAGE TRUCKS.
YOU KNOW, OUR GARBAGE TRUCKS. WE WERE ON A PLAN TO REPLACE SO MANY GARBAGE TRUCKS AT ONE TIME, AND THEN WE COULDN'T GET GARBAGE TRUCKS FOR THREE YEARS.
NOW WE'RE OVER THAT HUMP AND ALL OF OUR FLEETS PRETTY GOOD, BUT STILL AT THE STAFF LEVEL WE STRUGGLED WITH THAT, BUT I THINK WE WERE ABLE TO MAINTAIN SERVICE FOR THAT.
THE STRATEGIC STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER, NUMBER ONE IS PREPAREDNESS, RESPONSE, RECOVERY, MITIGATION AND ADAPTATION. HOW ARE WE THIS IS THE PLAN THAT WE NEED TO TO FRAME THIS PLAN ON.
AND I THINK WE'VE DONE THAT. CRITICAL CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE PROTECTION.
YOU KNOW, NUMBER ONE, WE NEED TO UPGRADE OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM TO REDUCE FLOODING MAINTAIN REDUNDANCY IN OUR WATER, SEWER AND TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS. AND I'LL SAY THAT PART AGAIN, THE TRANSPORTATION PART OF IT, THE ROADS, HOW WE SET THE LEVELS OF THE ROADS, IF WE'RE GOING TO MAKE ANY CHANGES ON THAT, HAVE TO BE INCLUDED ON HERE, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY BE THE LAST PIECE AS PART OF RESTORATION TO A PROJECT.
BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT ROAD ELEVATIONS IN CERTAIN AREAS TO MAKE SURE.
NUMBER ONE, THAT THAT IT WILL WORK. AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO CAUSE ADDITIONAL FLOODING BY RAISING THE ROADS WITH THE PROPERTIES AT A LOWER ELEVATION PROVIDE REDUNDANCY AND CYBERSECURITY FOR THE CITIES AND INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY SYSTEMS. YES, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT. CONTINUES TO SUPPORT POWER AND ELECTRICAL RESILIENCE AND INDEPENDENT COMMUNICATIONS LIKE FIBER NETWORKS.
BUT WE'RE DOING THAT NOW. SO THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS YOU'RE GOING TO SEE.
YOU KNOW, BOB, WHERE ARE WE? WE'VE NOT DONE ANYTHING.
COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. NATALIE HARTMAN HAS SPENT A LOT OF TIME WORKING ON OUR ADAPTATION PLANS. CITY COUNCIL'S BEEN INVOLVED IN THOSE.
A LOT OF THAT DEALS WITH PUBLIC EDUCATION. SHE AND HER STAFF PROVIDED SEVERAL.
I'LL CALL MANY PUBLIC OUTREACH PROGRAMS TO GET THE PUBLIC INVOLVED IN AND TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONNAIRES TO PROVIDE OPINIONS ON THAT. SO THERE'S A THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT WITH THIS OUR HISTORY WHERE,
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WHERE WHERE DO WE COME FROM? IT KIND OF ALL STARTED IN 2020 WITH THE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT.AND WE PROVIDED UPDATES THAT IN THE YEAR 23 AND 24.
THEN CAME THE ADAPTATION PLAN IN 24, 2024, WHERE WE PROVIDED 47 STRATEGIES FOR RESILIENCE WITH THE CITY. I BELIEVE THERE WERE FIVE THAT WERE THE THAT WE CITY COUNCIL AGREED WITH THE TOP FIVE OF THOSE 47. AND WE'RE WORKING ON THOSE NOW. WE'LL SHOW THE COMPLETED AND IN-PROGRESS PROJECTS SUMMARIZED IN THIS PLAN. THEN WE HAD IN 22 HURRICANE IAN, YOU KNOW, WE HAD ALREADY STARTED OUR VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENTS LOOKING AT INFRASTRUCTURE AND BUILDINGS SPECIFICALLY WHERE WE'RE PRONE TO FLOODING OR WOULD BE AFFECTED BY SOME OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL THINGS THAT ARE THAT ARE CHANGING. AND WE LEARNED A LOT FROM IAN.
YOU KNOW, WHERE OUR WEAK POINTS. WHERE ARE OUR STRONG POINTS? BECAUSE THIS WAS A SURGE EVENT. WE HADN'T BEEN WE HADN'T REALLY DEALT WITH SURGE EVENTS SINCE HURRICANE DONNA.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE MAJORITY, ALL THE HURRICANES THAT WE'VE DEALT WITH SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 34 YEARS HAVE BEEN WIND EVENTS, WIND AND RAIN, AND WE SET OUR PROTOCOLS TO HOW TO RESPOND TO THAT.
AND WHEN WE PUT OUR PROTOCOLS INTO PLACE, WHEN HURRICANE IAN CAME, YOU KNOW, WE LOST, LOST A LOT OF EQUIPMENT BECAUSE WE MOBILIZED A LOT OF THAT EQUIPMENT INTO THE FIELD ON THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT. AND IT WENT UNDERWATER.
THEN WE HAVE HURRICANE ADELIA AND THEN HURRICANE DEBBIE AND HILTON MILTON AND HELENE, YOU KNOW, WERE BACK TO BACK. WE BARELY GOT OVER. WE JUST GOT THROUGH WITH OUR RESTORATION ON HURRICANE HELENE.
AND THEN HURRICANE MILTON HIT, AND WE HAD TO DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN.
SO WE GOT A LOT OF PRACTICE IN RECOVERING FROM THOSE HURRICANES.
WHERE ARE WE NOW? YOU KNOW, WE'RE AT THE IMPLEMENTATION PHASE OF THE ADAPTATION STRATEGIES.
WE'RE WORKING ON A WATERSHED MASTER PLAN, THE BUSINESS CASE FOR RESILIENCE, SEAWALL STUDIES AND THE THERMAL ANALYSIS MASTER PLANNING EFFORTS RIGHT NOW, INCLUDED IN THE PUBLIC WORKS ARE. WE'VE COMPLETED THE WATER DISTRIBUTION MASTER PLAN.
WE'RE NOW WORKING ON THE SANITARY SEWER GRAVITY COLLECTION SYSTEM, MASTER PLAN INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY FACILITIES COMMUNITY SERVICES AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
SO ALL THESE DEPARTMENTS HAVE PLANNING EFFORTS GOING ON RELATED TO RESILIENCE.
RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE I'M TURNING THIS OVER TO GEORGE FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES TO EXPLAIN THE FOUNDATION OF OUR RESILIENCE PLAN. GOOD MORNING, DOCTOR. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND THE COUNCIL.
THANK YOU SIR. WELL, WHAT WE HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS A COMBINATION OF CONCEPT VISION. AS OUR CITY MANAGER INDICATED, WHAT WE HAVE ALREADY DONE, BEING THE FOUNDATION, HOW WE CAN BUILD UPON INVESTMENTS THAT OUR CITY OF NAPLES ALREADY DONE IN TERMS OF TIME, MONEY AND RESOURCES. SO I WANT TO PUT EMPHASIS ON THAT BECAUSE OUR CITY MANAGER VERY WISELY IDENTIFIED INVESTMENT STARTS WITH FUNDING. FUNDING STARTS WITH FINANCIAL RESOURCES.
AND I THINK THAT UNDER OUR FORMER CFO AND CURRENT CEO, AND THIS COUNCIL HAS DONE FANTASTIC INVESTMENT IN OUR STARTING POINT THAT WILL SHOW YOU IN A IN FEW SLIDES, YOU HAVE THE FOUNDATION.
THAT MEANS YOU HAVE A DECADES OF INVESTMENT WILL MOVE YOU TO THE NEXT DECADE IN A COMPREHENSIVE WAY.
SO WITH THAT INTRODUCTION AND APPRECIATION FOR OUR LEADERSHIP IN THE CITY, I WANT TO START WITH PILLARS SUPPORTING THE PLAN. THESE PILLARS ARE ABOUT THREE TIERS. PILLAR ONE AND TWO DEFINITELY REQUIRES COORDINATION, INTERAGENCY PLANNING, FUNDING, RESOURCE MANAGEMENT AND VERY
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TIGHT LOCKSTEP MOVING FORWARD WITH A SHARED VISION.THEN THE QUESTION IS WHO'S GOING TO TAKE THE LEAD WITH THIS MULTI-AGENCY APPROACH.
THAT'S MULTIPLE FEDERAL AGENCIES. COUNTY NEEDS TO STEP UP.
AND I THINK THAT WE CAN LEAD COUNTY TO STEP UP, BECAUSE IF CITY OF NAPLES TAKES THE LEAD, SHOWING THAT WE HAVE INVESTED OVER $100 MILLION ALREADY IN OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, IT'S TIME FOR COUNTY AND STATE TO STEP UP.
AND I THINK THAT CITY OF MARCO IS GOING TO FOLLOW YOUR LEAD.
AND I THINK THAT CITY OF EVERGLADES GOING TO FOLLOW YOUR LEAD, AMONG OTHERS.
AND WITH THAT YOU CAN SEE IN FRONT OF YOU IT'S LIKE WE'RE BUILDING ROMAN EMPIRE, BUT FASTER.
SO WE'LL DO IT IN TEN YEARS, NOT 100 YEARS. SO WE HAVE THE ROOF CALLED RESILIENCE PLAN.
AND THAT WILL PROTECT US AGAINST ALL ELEMENTS OF WHAT NATURE MIGHT BRING US.
WHAT ARE THE PILLARS? OFFSHORE PROTECTION AND OFFSHORE PROTECTION AND INLAND PROTECTION.
I MENTIONED VISION AND VISION SIMPLY DESIGNED TO IMPACT MULTI-AGENCY VISION THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AT CITY LEVEL, BUT EASILY BE ABLE TO ADAPT AND ADAPTABLE AT COUNTY AND STATE AND FEDERAL LEVEL.
WHAT THAT IS HAVE AN INTEGRATED APPROACH TO STORM SURGE PROTECTION AND CHANGES, REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE CAUSE MIGHT BE. CHANGES IN SEA ELEVATIONS.
THAT IS REAL AND MOVING FORWARD. WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS NOT JUST INVESTMENT IN OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM, BUT HOW WE CAN HAVE OUR INLAND PROTECTION, WHICH IS THE STORMWATER SYSTEM SPSS WE CAN THE DOWNPOURS CLOUDBURST TROPICAL STORMS HURRICANE CAT ONE AMC+ TWO ALL THE WAY THROUGH FIVE.
ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THAT STORM WATER COMING FROM SKIES AND BE ABLE TO REMOVE IT TO PROTECT OUR PROPERTY INVESTMENT, INVESTMENT IN REAL ESTATE AND ALSO INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO. WITH THAT WE ALSO LOOKED INTO WE HAVE THE VISION THAT IS ACHIEVE A THREE PILLAR APPROACH TO PROTECT CITY FROM TROPICAL STORMS, HURRICANES AND LONG TERM SEA LEVEL RISE.
DATA DRIVEN AND WE ALL ACTUALLY FEEL AND SEE WITH OUR OWN EYES.
THERE IS A RISE ON OUR BACK WATERS. I'VE BEEN HERE 30 YEARS AND I CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE HOW IT LOOKED AND HOW IT LOOKS NOW IN TERMS OF BACKWATERS AND, AND OUR BAYS AND AND ALL THE WAY FROM BAREFOOT BEACH DEVELOPMENT. I'VE SEEN IT FIRST HOUSE GOING UP THERE AND I'VE SEEN WATER ELEVATIONS THERE.
NOW I SEE WATER ELEVATIONS THERE NO DIFFERENT THAN NAPLES BAY AND ACQUIRED LANE SHORES.
SO I THINK IT IS ABOVE AND BEYOND CITY LIMITS.
THE CONDITION WE'RE DEALING WITH VISION IS WHAT WE CAN DO WITHIN THE CITY, BUT ALSO WHAT WE CAN DO TO INFLUENCE AS ADMIRATION AND VISION, THAT HOW WE CAN INFLUENCE OUR FEDERAL PARTNERS, STATE PARTNERS, AND HAVE OUR COUNTY GOVERNMENT BE ABLE TO STEP UP AND JOIN US WHEN IT COMES TO OFFSHORE.
PILLAR. OBJECTIVE IS INTEGRATING OFFSHORE, ONSHORE AND INLAND RESILIENCY INTO LAYERED AND UNIFIED FRAMEWORK AS A PILLARS OF ONE SYSTEM. IN THE PAST, WE FOCUSED ON HOW WE CAN HOW WE CAN MANAGE THE STORM SURGE ONSHORE DURING RESTORATION, BEACH RESTORATION, SEAWALLS, EMBEDDED SEAWALLS.
BUT WHAT IF WHAT IF YOU'RE ABLE TO BREAK WAVE ENERGY OFFSHORE?
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WHAT IF WE ARE ABLE TO GET LIKE WE DID HAVE WITH BP FUNDING AND WE CREATED PARADISE ARTIFICIAL REEF.WHAT IF THAT KIND OF SYNERGY PUBLIC, PRIVATE, LED BY CITY OR LED BY AS IT WAS LED BY A GROUP OF CITIZENS OR ELECTED OFFICIALS PUSHING THAT? YES. LET'S INVEST IN ARTIFICIAL REEF AS ONE MEANS AND METHODS TO THE POINT THAT IF THERE'S A SURGE WAVE COMING IN FROM TROPICAL STORM CAT ONE THROUGH CAT FIVE M-CLASS HURRICANE, CAN WE DISSIPATE ENERGY BEFORE IT HITS ONSHORE? SO YOUR LEVEL ONE PROTECTION AND DEFENSE IS OFFSHORE WAVE ENERGY.
THIS IS JUST A VERY BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF BEING A RESCUE DIVER MYSELF.
IF YOU DIVE OR IF YOU SNORKEL, YOU SEE THAT SAND AT THE BOTTOM MOVES BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH.
ACTUALLY WAVES ARE CIRCULAR WATER MOTION ON THE TOP.
IT'S MORE LIKE CIRCULAR. IF YOU GO TOWARD IN MIDDLE, IT BECOMES ELLIPTICAL.
WHEN IT GOES TO BOTTOM, IT GOES BACK AND FORTH.
AND THE WATER LEVEL SHALLOWER. IT GETS ELLIPTICAL, IT BECOMES AND IT GETS TO THE POINT THAT IT CANNOT SUSTAIN ITS FORM. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE THE WAVE BREAKING ON THE COAST OR OFFSHORE, DEPENDING ON THE HEIGHT.
SO THINK ABOUT WE'RE ABLE TO BREAK WAVES COMING FROM THESE TROPICAL STORMS AND HURRICANES OFFSHORE 40 TO 60%. NOW YOU GOT ONSHORE PROTECTION, CAN STAND AND CAN BE DESIGNED AND MODELED, BE ABLE TO ABSORB ENERGY LEFT. OTHERWISE IT HAS BEEN PROVEN IF WE HAVE THE ENERGY WAVE ENERGY COMING TO THE SHORE. WHAT IS DISSIPATING? THAT ENERGY IS OUR HOMES, OUR COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS, STRUCTURES, OUR DUNES. AND WE ALL KNOW BY NOW THAT THAT'S ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE HAVE DONE SO FAR.
ONSHORE PROTECTION IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. SO WE HAVE TO START OFFSHORE, DO ALL WE CAN TO COMPREHENSIVELY DESIGN OFFSHORE PROTECTION MEASURES LIKE ARTIFICIAL REEF.
LOOK AT THE SEAKEEPING CHARACTERISTICS, MEANING IT WILL IMPACT YOUR SEDIMENT TRANSPORT.
WHAT IF IF WE DO THE GRAND BARRIER OF NAPLES.
ARTIFICIAL REEF COMPETING WITH AUSTRALIA'S GRAND BARRIER.
WHAT IF PEOPLE COMING IN NOT ONLY FOR INVESTING IN CITY OF NAPLES, BECAUSE WE HAVE 100 PLUS YEAR RESILIENCY IN PLACE, AND IT'S WORTHWHILE TO INVEST WATERFRONT BECAUSE WE KNOW WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT WILL PROTECT THAT INVESTMENT AND TOP OF IT. WE HAVE THE ECONOMIC BENEFIT COMING FROM THIS INVESTMENT FISHERIES, WATER QUALITY DIVING.
AND THAT'S THAT'S WHERE THE VISION AND OBJECTIVE COMES IN.
AND OF COURSE GOAL AS WITHOUT READING IT DEALS WITH MITIGATION, MINIMIZING RISK, PRESERVING INVESTMENT AND PRESERVING OUR CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
SO WE'LL MOVE TO NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. PILLAR ONE OFFSHORE PROTECTION.
STORM SURGE. ENERGY OFFSHORE. I HOPE I WAS ABLE TO ARTICULATE AND PAINT THE PICTURE FOR YOU THAT IN THEORY AND PILOT PROGRAMS AND FULL SCALE DEMONSTRATION PROJECTS ELSEWHERE. IT HAS BEEN PROVEN ESPECIALLY FOR SHALLOW SHORELINES AND SHALLOW WATERS LIKE GULF.
IT IS FEASIBLE. IT IS POSSIBLE IT WILL TAKE AT LEAST TEN YEARS OF INVESTMENT, MULTI-AGENCY.
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YES. I THINK THAT WE CAN HAVE A STRONG INFLUENCE ON FEDERAL PARTNERS COUNTY STATE PARTNERS TO MAKE THIS CITY BE IN THE PILOT PROGRAM, IF NOT FULL SCALE DEMONSTRATION PROJECT, INCLUDING SEDIMENT TRANSPORT MODELING, WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO GO EVERY OTHER STORM RENOURISH THE BEACH.WE DON'T HAVE TO GO AND PUT MORE SAND FROM INLAND IN THIS HIGH ENERGY COASTAL AREAS BECAUSE WE MADE THEM MODERATE ENERGY OR LOW ENERGY, SO THAT WHEN STORM COMES, ACTUALLY IT'S RENOURISHING ITSELF.
IN SOME AREAS WE MAY END UP WITH DREDGING, LIKE MARCO ISLAND HAS ONE AREA WE HAVE TO CONSTANTLY DREDGE TO SEND BUILDING UP ON THE, ON THE COAST THERE. SO, IT IS THERE. AMERICAN INGENUITY IS THEIR ARMY CORPS, AND OUR NAVAL RESEARCH CENTER HAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF RESEARCH CENTERS, SEDIMENT TRANSPORT MODELING.
I THINK THAT THEY WILL BE MORE THAN WILLING TO JOIN THIS ENDEAVOR BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT INVESTMENT YOU HAVE MADE ON THE PIER THREE THAT WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT MORE IN DETAIL. SO IF WE MOVE TO RESILIENCY PLAN OFFSHORE PROTECTION PILLAR TWO, THAT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE BEEN DOING. THAT'S DUNES BEACH RESTORATION, NATURE BASED PROTECTION VEGETATIVE COVER THAT WILL PREVENT EROSION AND STRENGTHEN OUR DUNES AND BEACH RENOURISHMENT.
OH, BY THE WAY, BEACH RENOURISHMENT IS NOT AN INEXPENSIVE ENDEAVOR, AS YOU KNOW.
THAT IS DOUBLE DIGIT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. WE DO IT AFTER EVERY STORM.
WHAT IF IF WE DON'T DO IT AS MUCH? AND FUNDING FOR THAT CAN BE DIVERTED TO OFFSHORE PROTECTION AND BREAKING THE WAVES AND FISHERIES. IS IT POSSIBLE? IN THEORY, YES. IN PILOT PROGRAMS SHOWN THAT.
YES. IT'S POSSIBLE THAT WE CAN CHANGE SEAKEEPING CHARACTERISTICS, ENERGY SPECTRUM.
PUT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS SENT FROM MINES COMING FROM CENTRAL FLORIDA AND PUTTING ON THE SHORE.
AND IT'S BEING DIMINISHED BY HIGH ENERGY STORM SURGE BEING PUT WHERE ACCUMULATED WHERE LOW ENERGY.
AND THEN WE GOT MORE WORK TO DO BETWEEN SEDIMENT TRANSPORT AND THEN OF COURSE, REINFORCED DUNES.
AND WE DO HAVE REINFORCED DUNES ALREADY IN NORTH OF THE CITY OF NAPLES AND, AND IT IS NOT AS ROBUST AND PLANNED AND DESIGNED AND MODEL.
BUT AT TOP OF THOSE INVISIBLE DUNES, YOU HAVE WALKWAYS, PATHWAYS.
DIMINISHES STRENGTH OF THE DUNE SYSTEM THAT WE BUILT.
BUT THERE'S A SEAWALL SUDDENLY SHOWS UP AND THAT KEEPS THE ELEVATION HIGH.
I MEAN, BEING BROKEN AT OUR NEIGHBOR'S HOMES AND FIRST FLOORS OF THE MULTIFAMILY HOMES.
I MEAN, THAT'S WHERE, FRANKLY, HIGH IMPACT ENERGY HAPPENS WHEN THESE STORMS OCCUR.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU SEE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF INSTANTANEOUS FLOW COMING IN WITH A GREAT DEAL OF HIGH ENERGY VERY DESTRUCTIVE, SUPPORTED BY SEDIMENT TRANSPORT MODELING TO ABLE TO SELF-RENEW AND AND GET IT TO THE POINT THAT 100% IS NOT ACHIEVABLE.
MOST LIKELY, IN THEORY IT IS, BUT AT LEAST GET IT TO THE POINT THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO AS MUCH AS BEACH NOURISHMENT, BUT WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DIVERT FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR BEACH RENOURISHMENT FROM TOURISM DEVELOPMENT TAXES THAT COLLIER COUNTY IS SPENDING THROUGHOUT THE COASTAL AREA MIGHT BE ALSO INVESTED ON ONSHORE AND ALSO OFFSHORE PROTECTION MEASURES THAT WE'RE NOT DOING AS MUCH AS WE NEED TO DO THE PURPOSE OF THE PILLAR TWO IS ABSORB WAVE ENERGY THAT REACHED SHORE, OUR SHORELINES AND ONSHORE AFTER OFFSHORE DISPERSION.
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PILLAR ONE. I HOPE I WAS ABLE TO PAINT A PICTURE IN TERMS OF WAVE ENERGY.COUNTERINTUITIVE. IT'S LIKE LIGHT. SO THERE'S A WAVE ENERGY AND THERE'S A KINETIC ENERGY.
KINETIC ENERGY IS WHAT HITS OUR HOMES. POTENTIAL ENERGY IS LIKE HOOVER DAM.
IT STAYS THERE. THAT'S THE WAVE ENERGY. WHEN IT HITS, A SUBSTANCE BECOMES KINETIC ENERGY.
THAT'S TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF POWER. AND SO THAT'S WHY WE WANT TO MINIMIZE WAVE ENERGY BY BREAKING THE WAVES OFFSHORE, SO THAT WE CAN HANDLE WHAT'S COMING AT US ONSHORE.
THEN THE QUESTION IS INVESTMENT ON PILLAR THREE.
CONGRATULATIONS TO THE CITY COUNCIL COUNCIL AND CONGRATULATIONS TO LEADERSHIP THAT THE CITY COUNCIL COUNCIL HAVE AND 84 PLUS MILLION DOLLARS WE HAVE ALREADY INVESTED.
IT'S CALLED WATER QUALITY IMPROVEMENTS. YES IT IS.
IT'S A PRETREATMENT OUTFALL PROJECT. YOU HAVE TWO EXEMPLARY STORMWATER PUMP STATIONS BEING BUILT AS WE SPEAK, ELIMINATING 50 PLUS YEARS OLD BEACH OUTFALL.
EIGHT OF THEM. THAT INVESTMENT ALREADY HAPPENING AND FUNDED BY OUR LEADERSHIP.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, IT HAS BEEN FUNDED WHERE WE HAVE A SEAWALL STUDY.
YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT IT. AND I HAVE LOOKED AT THE SEAWALL STUDY, AND I THINK THAT SEAWALL STUDY WILL COME BEFORE YOU IS GOING TO BE VERY POWERFUL BECAUSE THAT IS SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THE PILLAR.
SO STORM SURGE IS A LONG WAVE ENERGY. WHAT IT DOES, IT INCREASES ELEVATION.
NOT AS FAST AS KINETIC ENERGY THAT GOT DISSIPATED ON THE SHORE.
BUT THEN YOU HAVE THE WATER LEVEL RISING, ESPECIALLY COMPOUNDED BY KING TIDE.
IF MURPHY'S LAW APPLY, WHICH DOES, AND THEN YOU GET THE HIGH LEVELS ON THE BACK WATERS.
IF YOU DON'T HAVE THE SEAWALL PROTECTION AGAINST THAT KIND OF WATER RISING.
YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO PUMP AND OR DISCHARGE YOUR STORMWATER.
YOUR STORMWATER BACKFLOW PREVENTION DEVICES IS GOING TO SHUT DOWN BECAUSE WATER LEVELS ARE HIGHER THAN YOUR INLAND PROTECTION WATER LEVELS, GRAVITY SYSTEM WILL SHUT DOWN. THAT'S WHY YOUR CONSULTANTS AND YOUR STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED HYBRID APPROACH, WHERE THERE IS A PUMPING SYSTEM AND CAPITALIZE ON GRAVITY SYSTEM BECAUSE IT'S LEAST EXPENSIVE USE OF ENERGY.
WE'RE USING GRAVITY FOR THE FLOW. SO IT'S AN OPTIMIZED SOLUTION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE PROVIDED TO YOU.
WHY? SEAWALL IS VERY IMPORTANT. SEAWALL STUDY IS GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION AND DEEP DIVE AND WONDERFUL QUESTIONS THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET FROM YOU AND PUBLIC SPEAKERS. BUT CURRENTLY, WITHOUT GETTING AHEAD OF MY OTHER TEAM MEMBERS, I WANT TO I WANT TO SHARE SOMETHING THAT HOPEFULLY STAYS BACK OF YOUR MIND WHEN YOU GET INTO THAT DISCUSSION.
DO WE WANT TO HAVE SEVERAL LEVELS FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES? WAITING FOR THE SEAWALL RISE ALL THE WAY TO 2080? OR WE'RE MOVING PROACTIVELY AND FIND A COMPROMISE AND LOOK AT THE REAL DATA.
THOSE 3 TO 4 HURRICANES AND STORM SURGE TO SEAWALL RECOMMENDATIONS WILL BE COMING TO YOU ACTUALLY WILL BE ABLE TO ON THE MAX LEVEL IRMA SURGE NOT ON THE DIFFERENCE IS EIGHT INCHES TO 8IN TO 12IN, NO MORE THAN 14IN. THEN THE QUESTION IS SHOULD WE HAVE A SPLITTING HAIRS FOR SEAWALL.
LET'S ADOPT SOMETHING THAT WILL HANDLE RISE ON THE BACK WATERS FOR IRMA SURGE.
BUT NOT YET. WE CAN INCREASE IT BY 8 TO 12 INCH.
WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO HANDLE N NOT SURGE, BUT WATER.
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WATER RISE ON THE BACK WATERS. THAT GOES TO INVESTMENT AND CAPITAL VENTURE.INVESTORS THINKING ABOUT OKAY, COASTAL ZONE WHERE WE WANT TO INVEST, WHERE WE WANT TO REINVEST.
IN RETURN, PEOPLE WILL INVEST LONG TERM WHEN IT COMES TO REAL ESTATE.
AND IF THE OUTLOOK IS 100 PLUS YEARS, WE HAVE THE EXPERIENCE FROM N AND WE HAVE THE DATA TO BE ABLE TO SHOW YOU THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO RESIST IN WATER SEARCH. IN THIS INTEGRATED APPROACH, IRMA, WE WILL BE ABLE TO DO MUCH BETTER THAN IAN.
SO WITH THAT WE TALKED ABOUT PURE PROGRAM. I DON'T WANT TO REPEAT IT.
IT WAS PART OF OUR CRA PRESENTATION BUILDING BOTTOM UP OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, NOT JUST STORMWATER.
AND I'M JUST GOING TO REFRESH YOUR MEMORY FROM THE CRA DISCUSSION.
AND THAT EVERY TIME WE GO THERE FOR STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS, WE WILL IMPROVE THROUGH RELIABILITY ENGINEERING OUR WASTEWATER, WATER OUR PUBLIC SAFETY HYDRANTS AND STORMWATER, AS WELL AS, A ROAD SYSTEM AND ROAD SYSTEM. ELEVATIONS TO BE ALL INTERACTIVELY AND COMPREHENSIVELY HAS TO BE ANALYZED.
SO WHEN WE GO TO NEIGHBORHOOD, WE COME OUT OF NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE'RE LIVING SOMETHING. THEY'RE CALLED A BRAND NEW SUBDIVISION.
AGAIN, BEHIND MY PRESENTATION, BACK OF MY MIND IS ALL ABOUT INVESTMENT.
THE BIGGEST INVESTMENT IS GOING TO COME FROM PRIVATE SECTOR IF WE HAVE THE RESILIENCY TRULY PROVEN.
AND SO SOLID INVESTORS FOR REAL ESTATE AND BUSINESS WILL CONTINUE TO LOOK AT THE CITY OF NAPLES AS THE PINNACLE INVESTMENT POINT RATHER THAN MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE.
WITH THAT, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT RELIABILITY ENGINEERING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE, BECAUSE IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE AS A RECAP, RELIABILITY ENGINEERING FOR INFRASTRUCTURE IS SOMETHING NOT NEW.
I THINK IT'S IT IS INVENTED BY AMERICAN ENGINEERING.
AND IT'S INVENTED IN TERMS OF QA, QC, QUALITY CONTROL, QUALITY ASSURANCE BY DEMING'S IN 50S.
AND TOYOTA ADOPTED IT BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE.
AND THAT'S WHY THEY BUILD MOST RELIABLE CARS USING AMERICAN INVENTION.
AND THAT IS ALL ABOUT RELIABILITY ENGINEERING.
CAN WE DESIGN SYSTEMS NOT NECESSARILY FAIL PROOF, BUT RELIABLE ENOUGH SO THAT IF ONE POWER SYSTEM FAILS, WE HAVE ANOTHER? IF THAT POWER SYSTEM FAILS, WE GOT NATURAL GAS.
THAT IS ALL HOMEGROWN. WE DON'T HAVE TO RELY ON DIESEL FUEL COMING FROM OFFSHORE.
OKAY, SO I DON'T I'D LIKE TO SAY REDUNDANCY, BUT IN RELIABILITY ENGINEERING IT'S NOT REDUNDANCY.
IT'S ALL ABOUT MAKING THE CRITICAL SYSTEMS CONTINUE TO CONTINUE TO WORK UNDER EXTREME, NATURAL OR MAN MADE CONDITIONS, STRESSING OUR SYSTEM AND TESTING IT.
WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT. RESILIENCY DO NOT EXIST IF CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE FAILS.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS GOING TO FAIL WITHIN A WEEK.
YOUR POWER GRID, AS BOB INDICATED, IS PART OF IT IN COLLIER COUNTY.
JUST TO GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE, WE CONVERTED 98% OF OUR GARBAGE TRUCKS AND RECYCLING TRUCKS TO NATURAL GAS, RAPID FUEL, SLOW FUEL, AND THEY WERE ONSITE, 240 ACRES OF, I'M SORRY, 240MI² OF SERVICE AREA. BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T RELY ON DIESEL FUEL.
THAT IS AN ESSENTIAL SERVICE. MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTE COLLECTION IS ESSENTIAL SERVICE.
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BECAUSE WE CONTINUE TO EAT, WE CONTINUE TO GENERATE WASTE.WE HAVE TO REMOVE IT AS WE REMOVE HURRICANE DEBRIS.
ROUTINELY DONE WORK HAS TO CONTINUE ROUTINELY AS CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.
YOU TURN ON THE FAUCET, YOU HAVE A QUALITY WATER, CLEAN WATER TO COOK, DRINK, SHOWER, LAUNDRY.
REGARDLESS, YOU HAVE POWER OR NOT IN YOUR HOUSE.
THAT'S A CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE RESILIENCY. SAME WITH WASTEWATER HAS BEEN ONE OF THE MOST CHALLENGING CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE DEPENDS ON FPL POWER ELECTRIC POWER. I THINK CITY OF NAPLES AND OUR UTILITY HAS DONE A FANTASTIC JOB BY ELEVATING OUR LIFT STATIONS WHERE WE NEED TO ELEVATE, PROVIDING AUXILIARY AND BACKUP POWER.
AND I THINK THAT WE HAVE A ROBUST ENERGY SYSTEM BEING CONSIDERED FOR THE OUR WASTEWATER RECLAMATION PLANTS AS WELL AS WATER PLANTS. THAT'S ALL IN WORKS AT WORKS.
IT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU BY OUR CITY MANAGER AND CFO DURING OUR BUDGET HEARING.
SO YOU HAVE THAT INVESTMENT ALREADY MOVING FORWARD, AND YOUR UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE IS MUCH, MUCH MORE AHEAD OF YOUR STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE INFRASTRUCTURE INLAND.
SO VISION BENEFITS. WHAT ARE THOSE THREE PILLARS? THREE PILLARS THAT WILL BUILD MUCH BETTER THAN ROME CALLED NAPLES.
YOU HAVE ALREADY PROVEN YOU STEPPED UP TO THE PLATE.
YOU'RE INVESTING CLOSE TO $100 MILLION FOR. STORMWATER INFRASTRUCTURE AND WHAT YOU ALREADY INVESTED AND BUILDING ON THE COAST DESIGNED TO MOVE.
NOT ONLY 25 YEAR THREE DAY STORM EVENT, BUT ALSO PEAK EVENTS LIKE 25 YEAR, ONE HOUR STORM. I'LL PUT SOME MORE REALITY TO IT. CAN WE REMOVE EIGHT INCHES OF RAIN COMING IN IN ONE HOUR INSTANTANEOUSLY? IN THEORY COVERING CITY OF NAPLES. CAN WE REMOVE THAT KIND OF RAINFALL WITHOUT FLOODING? YOUR SYSTEM BEING DESIGNED. THOSE TWO MASTER PUMP STATIONS HAVE THE CAPACITY TO REMOVE THAT PEAK FLOW AND DESIGN THROUGH STEADY STATE. REMOVE 25 YEAR, THREE DAY STORM.
NOW CAN WE MAKE THAT 50 YEARS? THAT'S WHERE THE AFFORDABILITY COMES IN.
THAT'S WHERE THE PILLAR ONE COMES IN. PILLAR TWO COMES IN.
PILLAR TWO YOU CANNOT PUMP DISCHARGE. USE GRAVITY STORMWATER SYSTEM AGAINST FLOODING CONDITIONS COMING FROM THE GULF, INUNDATING OUR STORMWATER SYSTEM. SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO BE REASONABLE, COST CONSCIOUS AND MAKE THE INVESTMENT WHERE RATE OF RETURN OF THAT INVESTMENT IS OPTIMIZED AND REAL.
SO I THINK THAT YOU HAVE THE RIGHT DESIGN CRITERIA, BUT THERE MIGHT BE A FURTHER DIALOG.
MAYBE FOR PEAK FLOWS WE MIGHT HAVE TO GO 50 YEARS.
THREE DAY STORM EVENT. AND THAT THAT IS TO BE THAT IS TO BE FURTHER DISCUSSED AND AND MODELED AND SEE THE FINANCIAL IMPACT BEHIND IT. ENHANCED SAFETY, PROTECT PROPERTY, PRESERVE THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF ICONIC NAPLES BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WHAT OUR CURRENT STAFF DONE IN NATURAL RESOURCES, UTILITIES, NATURE BASED PROTECTION SYSTEMS, IF WE HAVE OFFSHORE PROTECTION AND IF WE HAVE ONSHORE PROTECTION, AUGMENTING THAT NATURE BASED PROTECTION, YOU ARE PROTECTING YOUR NATURAL RESOURCES AS WELL.
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WHAT HAPPENED IN BAREFOOT BEACH AREA WHEN YOU DRIVE THROUGH THERE? WE HAD THE SANDSTORM. I CALL IT SANDSTORM BECAUSE COLLIER COUNTY, RIGHTFULLY SO, WITH ALL THE GOOD INTENTIONS AND ALL THE GOOD INVESTMENTS AND ALL THE GOOD RIGHT REASONS. PUT BERM AS SAND, BERM AS THE PROTECTION MEASURE THROUGHOUT OUR COASTAL AREAS.THAT SEM BERM UNDER AIN MOVED TO THE ROADS AND WHAT HAVE YOU AND TURN INTO A SANDSTORM.
FIRST TIME IN COLLIER COUNTY AND CITY OF NAPLES.
WE HAD FPNL WASHING THEIR SYSTEMS BY TURNING IT ON AND OFF, BECAUSE SAND COMBINED WITH SALT WATER CREATED TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CONDUCTIVITY AND ABOVE GROUND ELECTRIC GRID, WHERE IT CREATED WHAT WE CALL IN UTILITIES. DIRTY POWER.
POWER POINT I'M MAKING IS THAT WHAT WE DO ON SHORE WILL IMPACT EVEN YOUR POWER GRID.
WE HAVE TO BE SMARTER AND WISER. HOW WE'RE DOING IT.
HOW WE'RE INVESTING OUR DOLLARS. THAT WAS ABOUT $20 MILLION INVESTMENT ON THAT BERM.
IT DISAPPEARED. OKAY. SO IT HAS TO BE REDONE.
AND THAT THAT THAT'S SOMETHING BRINGS US TO PILLAR ONE AND TWO.
BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHAT IS WITHIN CITY CONTROL? PILLAR THREE FUNDED THROUGH A MIX OF FEDERAL, STATE, LOCAL.
TDC HAS MORE THAN ENOUGH MONEY TO BE THE SEED FOR NOT ONLY THE CITY OF NAPLES, BUT COLLIER COUNTY OFFSHORE PROTECTION AND ONSHORE PROTECTION. WE HAVE INVESTED AND WE'RE ABOUT TO INVEST MORE IN SPORTS COMPLEX CLOSE TO A QUARTER BILLION DOLLARS BY THE TIME IT'S ALL DONE.
OKAY. BUILDING FOOTBALL FIELDS, SOCCER FIELDS I GOT IT THAT'S NEEDED.
AND THAT'S A GOOD INVESTMENT. BUT DID WE GET OUR PRIORITIES RIGHT? WHAT IF THIS COUNCIL OR CITY OF MARCO COUNCIL OR MY FRIEND MAYOR IN CRACKER COWBOY TERRITORY? ONE OF MY FAVORITE CITIES. CITY OF EVERGLADES.
WHAT IF YOU ALL HAD QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS TO INVEST FOR YOUR RESILIENCY? THESE ARE THE THESE ARE THE HIGH RISK POINTS I'M MAKING BECAUSE I'M NOT IN POLITICS, BUT I'M JUST POINTING OUT IT IS VERY EASY TO LOSE WHERE THE NORTH STAR IS. THE NORTH STAR IS TO PROTECT THE INVESTMENT CAPACITY FROM VENTURE CAPITALISTS, REAL ESTATE INVESTORS, ALL THE WAY FROM NEW YORK WALL STREET TO BE ABLE TO SAY COLLIER COUNTY, CITY OF NAPLES, CITY OF MARCO, WHICH IS GOING TO HAVE MUCH MORE CHALLENGING ENDEAVOR NEXT 50 YEARS.
YOU'RE AHEAD OF CITY OF MARCO AND CITY OF EVERGLADES BECAUSE OF THE INVESTMENTS YOU HAVE MADE.
AND OUR CITY MANAGER ENCOURAGED US TO OPTIMIZE FUNDING AVAILABLE FROM TDC.
AND WE CONTINUE TO DO SO. AND I THINK THAT WE CAN DO MORE THERE BY OPENING EYES AND SAYING, YES, WE CAN INVEST TDC FUNDS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE OFFSHORE AND ONSHORE PROTECTION, INCLUDING DUNE RESTORATION, EMBEDDED SEAWALLS AND NATURE BASED PROTECTION OF OUR COASTAL AREAS, CREATING NEW MANGROVE AREAS WHERE WE DON'T HAVE NOW. THOSE ARE ALL GOOD INVESTMENTS FOR FISHERIES, NATURAL SYSTEM, WATER QUALITY, DIVING INDUSTRY ON TOP OF IT. I'M WILLING TO BUY $25 MILLION HOME IN THE CITY OF NAPLES, BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S GOING TO STAND UP TO HURRICANE IRMA, AND MAYBE EVEN THEN WE CONTINUE THIS DIALOG.
WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO GIVE IT BACK TO YOU. ACTUALLY YOU'RE RIGHT HERE, GEORGE.
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THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU.BOB. AND SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
AND, AND ONE OF THE THINGS OUR CITY MANAGER ENCOURAGED ALL OF US AND REQUESTED SOMETIMES DEMANDED RIGHTFULLY SO, THAT THIS ENDEAVOR IS CITY WIDE.
IT'S NOT JUST UTILITIES, STREETS, STORMWATER.
IT IS NATURAL RESOURCES. IT IS OUR BUILDING CODES WHERE WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY, ADAPTABILITY, OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLANNING, WHERE YOU HAVE DISCRETION, WHERE YOU CAN BE MORE STRINGENT, MAKING THOSE WISE, SMART DECISIONS ON THOSE POLICIES. SO AT THE END FOUNDATION BEING RELIABLE TO ENGINEERING AND YOUR RESOURCES, WHICH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT RESOURCE THIS CITY HAS.
YOUR INTELLIGENT, PROFESSIONAL LICENSED CITY TEAM MEMBERS.
THEY ARE SMART, WISE, COLLECTIVELY. I CAN TELL YOU BY EXPERIENCE, THIS CITY HAS ONE OF THE MOST QUALIFIED TEAM OF PROFESSIONALS LICENSED ENGINEERS, SCIENTISTS BE ABLE TO TEAM UP.
AND HAVE THE CITY COUNCIL GUIDE US UPWARD TO BUILD THAT ROOF ON THAT BUILDING PILLARS AND PUTTING THE ROOF ON THE PILLARS CALLED RESILIENT CITY OF NAPLES.
WITH THAT, SIR. THANK YOU GEORGE. MOVING ALONG LET'S BRING UP NATALIE HARDMAN, AND SHE'LL TAKE US THROUGH THE NATURAL RESOURCES SECTION. GOOD MORNING.
GOOD MORNING, NATALIE HARDMAN, NATURAL RESOURCES MANAGER.
AND I'LL KICK OFF THE TEAM. NATURAL RESOURCES.
AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE REGULAR UPDATES TO COUNCIL.
AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT AND ASK US.
YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, THIS IS A TEAM OF MANY DEPARTMENTS WITHIN THE CITY, BUT WE CAN ALWAYS POINT YOU IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FOR ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS THAT YOU MAY HAVE. AS SUCH, FUNDING WILL BE FROM WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, DEPARTMENT NEEDS THAT FUNDING, AS WE HAVE DONE UP TO THIS POINT. AND YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE DEALING WITH THE ADAPTATION STRATEGIES.
STUDIES THAT HELP OTHER TEAMS WITHIN THE CITY.
AND WE WILL BE DOING A REVIEW OF PROJECTS TO CONFIRM RESILIENCE MEASURES AND EFFORTS.
SO UP TO THIS POINT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DONE THE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT, THE ADAPTATION PLAN.
WE'RE CURRENTLY HAVE THE WATERSHED MASTER PLAN UNDER DEVELOPMENT.
THE BUSINESS CASE YOU WILL BE HEARING IN THE OCTOBER WORKSHOP THE SEAWALL INVENTORY AND THE THERMAL ANALYSIS WILL BE PRESENTED TODAY HERE IN THE NEXT SLIDE. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'VE DEVELOPED SOME OUTREACH MATERIALS OF WHICH ONE OF OUR BROCHURES IS WAS ATTACHED TO YOUR PROGRAM AND, YOU KNOW, WILL BE SEEN IN THE PRESENTATION.
SO WITH THAT, I WOULD LIKE TO CALL UP ERIKA HARRIS WITH AECOM TO START THE HER PRESENTATION ON THE SEAWALLS AND THE THERMAL ANALYSIS. GOOD MORNING, MISS HARRIS. WELCOME.
GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS ERICA HARRIS, AND I'M A COASTAL AND CLIMATE SCIENTIST WITH AECOM.
IS THE MICROPHONE ON? THERE WE GO. DID YOU ALL HEAR ME? DO I NEED TO REPEAT THAT? REPEAT IT. OKAY. MY NAME IS ERICA HARRIS, AND I'M A COASTAL AND CLIMATE SCIENTIST WITH AECOM.
I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ME HERE TODAY. I'M GOING TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE FOR SOME OF THE RESILIENCE PROJECTS THAT WE'VE BEEN SUPPORTING THE CITY OF NAPLES ON FOR INCREASING THEIR PROTECTION FROM FLOOD HAZARDS AND EXTREME HEAT HAZARDS.
AND THEN WE'LL GO INTO THREE OF THE PROJECTS THAT THE CITY IS CURRENTLY UNDERTAKING.
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OF THE CITY'S SEAWALLS. AND THEN LASTLY, WE WILL TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT AN OUTREACH RESILIENCE BROCHURE THAT WE'VE CREATED FOR THE PUBLIC TO TRY TO INCREASE THAT UNDERSTANDING OF OF WHAT'S AT RISK AND WHAT THE CITY IS DOING. OKAY.SO WE'LL JUMP INTO A BIT OF THE ADAPTATION BACKGROUND.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT IT'S NOT A STATIONARY TREND.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE PAST 20 OR SO YEARS, THAT TREND INCREASES TO EIGHT MILLIMETERS PER YEAR.
SO YOU'RE MORE THAN DOUBLING THAT THAT RATE THAT SEA LEVEL RISE IS OCCURRING.
AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT THE PAST TEN YEARS OR SO, IT ACTUALLY INCREASES TO ABOUT 10.5MM PER YEAR.
SO WE CAN SEE THAT THOSE RATES ARE ACCELERATING OVER TIME.
AND THIS IS IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO CAUSE SOME FLOODING TO HAPPEN MORE FREQUENTLY, AND POTENTIALLY TO BE WORSE THAN THAN WHAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING UNDER EXISTING CONDITIONS.
SO THIS INCLUDED A SERIES OF 47 DIFFERENT PROPOSED STRATEGIES TO ENHANCE THE CITY'S RESILIENCE.
SO IT SORT OF ACTED AS A PLAYBOOK OF WHAT THE CITY CAN BE DOING.
WHAT KIND OF PROJECTS CAN THEY BE IMPLEMENTING TO TRY TO INCREASE THAT RESILIENCE OVER TIME? IT INCLUDED BOTH PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES AS WELL AS POLICY CHANGES.
SO IT WAS A HOLISTIC LOOK AT HOW TO INCREASE THE CITY'S RESILIENCE.
AND THESE STRATEGIES THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THIS PLAN WERE RANKED BASED ON PRIORITIES FROM CITY STAFF.
SO WHAT DO THEY NEED TO GET THINGS DONE? YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY PRIORITIES, WHAT DO THEY VALUE? WHAT DO THEY WANT TO PROTECT? AND IT ALSO INCLUDED A SERIES OF EVALUATION CRITERIA TO UNDERSTAND THE TRADE OFFS AMONG THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS, SO THAT YOU'RE PRIORITIZING THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE PROVIDING THE GREATEST BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY. HERE ARE SOME EXAMPLES OF SOME OF THE PRIORITY STRATEGIES IN THE PLAN. SO THEY DO INCLUDE THESE. THESE LARGE CAPITAL PROJECTS LIKE INSTALLING ADDITIONAL STORMWATER PUMP STATIONS, HARDENING THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT AND LIFT STATIONS. CONTINUING TO DO BEACH RENOURISHMENT DUNE RESTORATION, ELEVATING CRITICAL ROADWAYS AND INCREASING NEIGHBORHOOD SHADE CANOPY.
SO YOU CAN SEE WE DO HAVE THOSE LARGER SCALE LONG TERM CAPITAL PROJECTS INCLUDED HERE.
BUT WE ALSO HAVE THIS THIS BUCKET OF STRATEGIES IN THE LOWER LEFT HAND QUADRANT THAT ARE FOCUSED ON THINGS THAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED IN THE SHORT TERM AND FOR A LOW, LOW AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT CAN POSSIBLY BE EVEN BE ACCOMPLISHED WITH WHAT THE CITY ALREADY HAS IN THEIR EXISTING BUDGETS.
SO THESE INCLUDE THINGS LIKE PERFORMING A BUSINESS CASE FOR RESILIENCE, CREATING A VEHICLE STORM RELOCATION PLAN, AS WELL AS THE THREE DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DISCUSSING TODAY. AND SO THE PROJECTS THAT ARE LISTED ON THIS SLIDE THAT ARE BOLDED, THESE ARE THINGS THAT THE CITY IS ALREADY CURRENTLY UNDERTAKING. OKAY. SO I'LL JUMP INTO THE FIRST PROJECT WE WANT TO TALK ABOUT.
THIS IS THE SUMMER THERMAL HOTSPOT ANALYSIS. SO WE KNOW FROM FROM LOOKING AT THE THE OBSERVATIONS THAT AVERAGE AIR TEMPERATURES ARE INCREASING FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES. WE KNOW THAT THERE'S MORE FREQUENT AND LONGER PERIODS OF EXTREME HEAT THAT ARE HAPPENING, AND THERE'S MORE DEVELOPMENT, WHICH MEANS MORE URBANIZATION, WHICH CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THERMAL HOTSPOTS OR URBAN HEAT ISLANDS ACROSS THE CITY.
YOU GET DARKER COLORS ON THE ON YOUR SURFACE OF THE LAND, THROUGH ROADWAYS, PARKING LOTS, PARKING GARAGES, AND ROOFTOPS. AND SO THAT CAN CAUSE MORE SOLAR RADIATION TO BE ABSORBED, WHICH THEN GETS RE-EMITTED AS HEAT THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
WE LOOKED AT EXTREME HEAT AND THE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT THAT WE SUPPORTED FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES A COUPLE YEARS AGO, SO WE KNEW THAT IT WAS A GROWING ISSUE AND ONE THAT WAS GOING TO CONTINUE INTO THE FUTURE.
THIS FIGURE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS, IS SHOWING US THE EXISTING AVERAGE DAILY MAXIMUM TEMPERATURE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, WHICH IS ABOUT 83 TO 85 DEGREES UNDER EXISTING AND HISTORICAL CONDITIONS.
BUT AS YOU START TO GET TOWARD THOSE MID-CENTURY AND END OF CENTURY CONDITIONS, THAT AVERAGE AIR TEMPERATURE IS PROJECTED TO INCREASE UP TO ABOUT ANOTHER EIGHT DEGREES ON AVERAGE. BUT ONE THING WE DIDN'T HAVE WHEN WE DID THE VULNERABILITY ASSESSMENT A FEW YEARS AGO WAS AN UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE SPATIALLY ACROSS THE CITY? ARE THERE AREAS WITHIN THE CITY OF NAPLES THAT HAVE BIGGER HEAT ISSUES THAN OTHERS?
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YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO HAVE TARGETED STRATEGIES BECAUSE WE CAN'T PROTECT THE ENTIRE CITY ALL AT ONCE.SO WE WANT TO TRY TO FOCUS THOSE EFFORTS. BUT THE DATA THAT WE WERE WORKING WITH AT THE TIME, WHICH WAS THE BEST AVAILABLE AT THE TIME, DIDN'T HAVE THE GRANULARITY TO BE ABLE TO TO MAKE THOSE DISTINCTIONS.
SO THE ENTIRE CITY WAS BASICALLY CLASSIFIED IN THE SAME WAY.
AND WE WE TRIED TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THOSE, THOSE HOTSPOTS MIGHT BE.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE IN THIS FIGURE. THIS IS AN AGGREGATION OF THOSE SATELLITE IMAGES. AND THE WARMER COLORS REPRESENT HOTTER TEMPERATURES AND THE COOLER TEMPERATURES. THE COOLER COLORS REPRESENT THE COLDER TEMPERATURES IN THE CITY.
SO THE DOWNTOWN AREAS, THE MAJOR TRANSPORTATION CORRIDORS, WHEREAS THE COOLER TEMPERATURES ARE ASSOCIATED WITH MORE OF LIKE THE MARSH AREAS OR THE MORE SPARSELY POPULATED RESIDENTIAL AREAS. WE ALSO WANTED TO UNDERSTAND THE POTENTIAL INFLUENCE OF VEGETATION.
AND SO WE WE DID THE SAME KIND OF STUDY, BUT LOOKED AT THE VEGETATION DENSITY ACROSS THE CITY.
AND THE GREEN AREAS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH MORE DENSE VEGETATION.
SO AGAIN YOU KIND OF SEE THIS TREND WHERE THE AREAS THAT HAVE LESS VEGETATION ARE THOSE THAT ARE MORE HEAVILY DEVELOPED, WHICH MAY BE OBVIOUS, BUT. AND THEN THE AREAS WITH THE DENSER VEGETATION ARE THE SORT OF MARSHY OR RESIDENTIAL TYPE AREAS.
SO THESE ARE THE AREAS THAT WE WANTED TO TRY TO FOCUS OUR EFFORTS FOR ADAPTATION.
SOME OF THE GENERAL TYPES OF PLACES THAT POPPED OUT THROUGH THIS ANALYSIS INCLUDED THE DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, SORT OF THE CULTURAL HUB OF THE CITY. THE SHOPPING MALLS AND PLAZAS.
THE HIGH SCHOOL, THE HOSPITAL AND THE AIRPORT.
SOME OF THE COMMON FACTORS FOR THESE LOCATIONS THAT THAT MAKE THEM HAVE THIS KIND OF HIGHER URBAN HEAT ISLAND EFFECT INCLUDE A HIGH CONCENTRATION OF BUILDINGS OR VERY LARGE BUILDING FOOTPRINTS. THEY HAVE LOTS OF ROADWAYS.
THERE'S A LOT OF VEGETATION ACROSS THE CITY OF NAPLES.
YOU'LL HAVE BEAUTIFUL LANDSCAPING THROUGHOUT, BUT IN THESE PARTICULAR LOCATIONS, A LOT OF THE LANDSCAPING SPECIES ARE SORT OF MORE ORNAMENTAL. AND THEY'RE KIND OF THEY DON'T PROVIDE A LOT OF SHADE OR CONTRIBUTE TO REDUCING THAT URBAN HEAT ISLAND EFFECT.
SO THAT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE EXPANDING THE TREE CANOPY OR INSTALLING MORE SHADE STRUCTURES.
WE WANT TO ENCOURAGE MORE, MORE GREEN ROOFS WHERE POSSIBLE. DEVELOPMENT IS GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT YOU CAN ALSO INCORPORATE MORE VEGETATION IN THE PLANNING FOR THAT, MAYBE USING LIGHT COLORED FACADES OR ENCOURAGING LIGHT COLORED PAVEMENT IN THE DESIGN.
WE ALSO TALKED ABOUT DOING THINGS LIKE ADDING IN DRINKING STATIONS OR MISTING STATIONS IN PUBLIC LOCATIONS, SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE DO HAVE TO GO OUT INTO THESE AREAS, THAT THEY CAN GET SOME RELIEF FROM THAT EXTREME HEAT.
AND ALTHOUGH WE KNOW THAT THESE THINGS CAN REDUCE EXTREME HEAT THAT'S EXPERIENCED LOCALLY, THERE ARE SOME CHALLENGES THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED. YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED, A LOT OF THESE AREAS ARE ALREADY HEAVILY DEVELOPED.
SO THERE'S NOT ALWAYS A LOT OF SPACE FOR LARGE ROOT STRUCTURES THAT ARE NEEDED FOR THESE SHADE TREES OR EVEN THE SHADE FOUNDATIONS THAT THEY HAVE LARGE FOUNDATIONS THAT ARE NEEDED TO MAKE THOSE INSTALLATIONS. BUT PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGEST CHALLENGES IS THAT A LOT OF THESE AREAS THAT POPPED OUT ARE NOT EVEN OWNED BY THE CITY.
THESE ARE PRIVATELY OWNED LOCATIONS. SO THERE'S GOING TO BE A CHALLENGE BECAUSE THE CITY IS NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A LOT OF INFLUENCE IN WHAT HAPPENS IN THESE AREAS SHORT OF YOU KNOW, CHANGING CITY POLICIES AND CODE AND TRYING TO INCENTIVIZE PRIVATE OWNERS TO, TO INSTALL SOME OF THESE THESE STRATEGIES.
SO THIS INFORMATION IS CURRENTLY BEING USED TO INFORM OTHER ONGOING PLANS IN THE CITY.
THE URBAN FOREST MANAGEMENT PLAN AND THE TREE INVENTORY UPDATE ARE EXAMPLES THAT ARE USING THIS INFORMATION TO TRY TO HAVE TARGETED MEANS OF IMPLEMENTING STRATEGIES SO THAT YOU CAN DO THE MOST WITH THE MONEY THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR IN YOUR BUDGETS.
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TO INFORM OTHER INITIATIVES THAT ARE ONGOING IN THE CITY.HI. EXCUSE ME. AND YOU KNOW, WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING THE TREE INVENTORY UPDATE.
HEATHER SHIELDS IS WORKING ON THAT RIGHT NOW.
AND I BELIEVE SHE'S HERE. IF YOU HAD ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANY OF THIS AND YOU KNOW, SHE IS ALSO, YOU KNOW, WORKING ON PRIORITIZING SHADE TREES OVER PALM TREES.
SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING TOWARDS.
AND YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW IF ANY QUESTIONS WITH THAT, BUT HEATHER IS HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
I WOULD JUST SAY THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. HEATHER, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT AS WE'RE MOVING FORWARD AND REALLY LOOKING AT OUR POLICIES THAT THE CSA BE REALLY FOCUS IN ON THIS AS A PRIORITY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
I AND I KNOW, I KNOW THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT IS ON OUR RADAR AS WE WORK THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATES AND THEN SUBSEQUENT ZONING AND, AND CODE CHANGES AND THEN. YEAH, AND MAKING SURE THAT WE HAVE POLICIES THAT CAN BE ENFORCED NOT JUST PLEASE AND SHOULD AND THINGS THAT WILL REALLY MAKE THAT DIFFERENCE.
RIGHT. YEAH, THAT'S DEFINITELY ON OUR RADAR, ON STAFF'S RADAR TO BRING BACK TO US.
YES. GREAT. VICE MAYOR AND THEN. YEAH. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.
AND IT LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MORE TO DISCUSS.
BUT IN YOUR PRESENTATION ALONE AND THEN LATER ON, PERHAPS WE CAN COUNCIL WILL HAVE SOME COMMENTS ON THE OVERALL RESILIENCY TOPIC. BUT ON THE SUBJECT OF THERMAL HOT SPOTS I THINK IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE ANSWERED NOW, BUT WHAT IF WE DON'T ADDRESS THERMAL HOT SPOTS, RIGHT? IS IT OKAY THAT WE DON'T ADDRESS IT? AND IF WE DO, WHAT ARE THE CONSEQUENCES? AND THEN IF WE DO WANT TO ADDRESS IT SIMILAR TO WHAT THE MAYOR WAS TALKING ABOUT, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF POLICY RESOLUTIONS OR CODES TO ADDRESS RESILIENCE BY REDUCING HOT SPOTS? IT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN MEASURE.
RIGHT. BUT FROM YOU, I NEED TO. I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS IF WE DON'T.
IS IT MINIMAL? IS IT A BIG DEAL? DOES IT IT REALLY JUST BUILD INTO THE OVERALL RESILIENCY? BUT AND WHAT DO THOSE POLICIES LOOK LIKE? RIGHT.
WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE SO WE CAN TAKE SOME ACTION PRETTY QUICK IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THE COUNCIL.
SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I HOPE COME OUT SO THAT WE CAN START TAKING SOME ACTION ON THESE ITEMS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCILMEMBER PENMAN, I DO HAVE A QUESTION FOR HEATHER.
AND ARE YOU WANTING HER TO ADDRESS THAT NOW? SURE.
ALL OF US KNOW, HEATHER, THAT WE'RE CERTAINLY NOT THE ONLY ONES THAT ARE IN THIS RESILIENCY GAME.
MONROE COUNTY'S BEEN WAY AHEAD OF US FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
THAT'S NOT CASTING ASPERSIONS. SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE COMPETITION THAT YOU FACE EVERY TIME YOU GO TO MARKET TO TRY TO BUY DECIDUOUS TREES AS OPPOSED TO PALMS. HOW DO WE COMPETE IN THAT MARKET? DO WE NEED TO SPEND MORE MONEY? BECAUSE I'M SURE THE PRICES ARE GOING UP. WHAT IS THE AVAILABILITY RELATIVE TO DECIDUOUS TREES AS OPPOSED TO PALMS? WHAT IS THE AVAILABILITY AND HOW CAN WE COMPETE? HEATHER SHIELDS, URBAN FOREST MANAGER FOR THE RECORD. WE CURRENTLY FUND TREE FILLING AT $300,000.
YOU ARE 100% ACCURATE IN TERMS OF THE PRICING OF THE TREES THAT HAVE GONE UP.
BUT I WILL BE HONEST WITH YOU. PALMS ARE NOT ANY CHEAPER.
MAYBE A DIFFERENCE OF A FEW HUNDRED DOLLARS, DEPENDING ON WHAT SPECIES WE'RE GETTING.
BUT OUR MARKET RIGHT NOW DOWN HERE IN SOUTH FLORIDA IS IS PRETTY EVENED OUT.
IN TERMS OF YOU KNOW, THE PRICING FOR THE VARIOUS SPECIES IN TERMS OF AVAILABILITY OUR CONTRACTORS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ABLE TO FIND US OUR TREES. WE HAVE NOT RUN INTO AN ISSUE.
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THIS YEAR, WE ACTUALLY WERE ABLE TO GET SOME LARGER TREES INSTALLED, AND SHE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES OBTAINING THOSE.SO I BELIEVE THAT THAT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY THEY'RE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO MEET, YOU KNOW, OUR EXPECTATIONS FOR OUR SPECIES, WHICH HAS BEEN FANTASTIC.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT NEXT YEAR IT MIGHT NOT BE DIFFERENT.
WE HAVE NOT YET HAD THAT PROBLEM, BUT IT COULD DEFINITELY BE A PROBLEM AT SOME POINT.
SO RELATIVE TO THAT, IN THE TASK THAT YOU'RE DOING FOR US AT THIS PARTICULAR POINT IN TIME, ARE WE ENUMERATING THE NUMBER OF PALMS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY? DO WE DO WE KNOW THAT NUMBER? I DON'T HAVE IT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD.
I DO KNOW THAT ROYAL PALMS AND COCONUT PALMS ARE THE TWO LARGEST PERCENTAGES OF OUR SPECIES, REPRESENTING ABOUT 25 FOR ROYALS AND ABOUT 17% FOR THE COCONUT PALMS, WHICH BOTH ARE WAY OUT OF PROPORTION FOR WHAT THE PICTURESQUE URBAN FOREST WOULD BE IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGES OF THE DIFFERENT SPECIES.
THAT BEING SAID, THIS YEAR WHEN WE PLANTED OUR TREE FILL IN FOR 2025.
I CAN HONESTLY SAY, AS THE FIRST YEAR IN MY 18 YEARS IN THIS POSITION, THAT I DID NOT PLANT A SINGLE COCONUT PALM, ALTHOUGH THERE'S SOMEBODY SOMEPLACE WHO'S NOT HAPPY WITH ME RIGHT NOW. SO MAYOR, PLEASE DISREGARD THAT EMAIL.
BUT WE WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO REDUCE THOSE NUMBERS.
WE HAVE CHANGED SOME SPECIES FROM COCONUT PALMS TO HARDWOODS ON SOME OF OUR OUR DIFFERENT STREETS.
MAYOR. IT IS SCHEDULED TO GO TO KSIB IN OCTOBER TO ANALYZE EVERYTHING THAT'S THERE AND THEN PUT IN OUR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THEIR SUPPORT, THEN TO BRING ON TO YOU ALL. HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET IN FRONT OF YOU ALL THE END OF DECEMBER, BEGINNING OF JANUARY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BECAUSE WE DO HAVE LIKE YOU SAID, WE WILL HAVE TO MAKE SOME CHANGES TO POLICIES.
DO WE, YOU KNOW, WOULD IT BE HELPFUL IF WE SAID, DO WE WANT 85% OF THE TREES IN THE CITY TO BE NOW HARDWOODS? AS TO WHERE YOU PUT THEM, THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE UNDER YOUR DISCERNMENT.
BUT WHAT WOULD A POLICY LIKE THAT FACILITATE WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH? YES, MA'AM. OKAY. THE COUNCIL DICTATING A POLICY ON ON HOW WE PLANT THE TREES, WHAT SPECIES WE WHAT WHAT TYPE OF SPECIES WE SHOULD PLANT WOULD DEFINITELY BE VERY, VERY HELPFUL. AND ASSIST WHEN A RESIDENT IS CONCERNED, MAYBE THAT THEY'RE GETTING A HARDWOOD INSTEAD OF A PALM.
THEY CAN UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE WORKING TOWARDS SOMETHING THAT IS SUPPORTED AND DIRECTED BY BY ALL OF YOU, INSTEAD OF THEM FEELING LIKE IT'S JUST WHAT HEATHER WANTED TODAY.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S DEFINITELY WOULD BE A POSITIVE THING.
AND AGAIN, THAT WILL BE SOMETHING THAT WILL BE IN THAT PRESENTATION THAT WE SEND TO THE TREE BOARD AND THEN HOPEFULLY BRING ALL TO YOU ON TO YOU FOR THE FINAL STAMP AND YOU KNOW, PROCESS FORWARD. SO PLEASE PUNCTUATE THAT SO THAT WE DON'T MISS THAT OPPORTUNITY TO SUPPORT YOU IN YOUR EFFORTS THERE.
I WILL ABSOLUTELY MAKE SURE IT'S IT'S OWN SLIDE IN NEON PINK, MAYBE NEON GREEN.
NOT A PROBLEM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GREAT. THANK YOU.
COUNCIL MEMBER PETRANOFF. YES. THANK YOU. WHEN YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT HEAT ISLANDS I'VE BEEN READING ABOUT SOME TECHNOLOGY ON PAINT AND ROOF TILES, ETC.. ARE YOU WORKING WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ON POSSIBLY PUTTING REQUIREMENTS IN THERE THAT DO NOT ALLOW FOR, YOU KNOW, BLACK ROOF TILES OR VERY DARK THAT, THAT CREATE AND REFLECT HEAT INTO NEIGHBOR NEIGHBOR'S YARDS.
IT'S DEFINITELY ON OUR RADAR REGARDING LIKE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATES AND THEN SUBSEQUENT CODE.
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HE'S OUT THERE. BUT WHEN HE GETS THAT FAR IN THE PRESENTATION BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED INTERNALLY STAFF WISE REGARDING, YOU KNOW, SOME WHEN WE WORK THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CODE, ZONING, THAT TYPE OF THING.SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU MAY BE SEEING IN THE FUTURE ONCE IT GETS THROUGH STAFF.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER.
YEAH. THANKS. ERICA, THANK YOU FOR THIS AND YOUR EFFORT.
CAN WE GO THE NAPLES SEA LEVEL TREND? I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT SLIDE A LITTLE BIT.
THAT'S WHY I WAS A MATH MINOR AND NOT A MATH MAJOR RIGHT HERE.
SO YOUR Y AXIS IS IN FEET. AND THEN IN YOUR DIAGRAM INSERT YOU'RE TALKING MILLIMETERS.
IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY. SO THAT'S FOR THOSE WHO MIGHT BE WATCHING AT HOME.
OVER THAT 58 YEAR PERIOD. THAT'S A LITTLE IT'S ABOUT SEVEN INCHES.
AND WE'RE AND WE'RE YET TO SEA LEVEL. IS THAT CORRECT? I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? YOUR ZERO IS SEA LEVEL.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO WE'RE YET TO SEA LEVEL. JUST SO EVERYBODY KNOWS, THIS IS ALL BELOW SEA LEVEL.
AND IT'S ABOUT A SEVEN INCH CHANGE OVER THE 58 YEAR PERIOD.
SETTING THE ZERO AT EXISTING CONDITIONS TODAY.
I GUESS THE Y AXIS IS NEEDS TO BE LABELED A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
IT'S THE MONTHLY MEAN SEA LEVEL. THE CHANGE IN IT.
I GUESS THE DELTA. YEAH. MY QUESTION IS WHERE ARE WE RELATIVE TO SEA LEVEL? ARE WE EIGHT INCHES ABOVE SEA LEVEL ON OUR AVERAGE? ARE WE A FOOT ABOVE SEA LEVEL? ARE WE BELOW SEA LEVEL? JUST LIKE. IN THE CITY OF NAPLES, DO WE? WE'D BE EIGHT INCHES ABOVE HISTORICAL SEA LEVEL.
OKAY, THANKS. OKAY. AND THEN JUST. AND OUR VICE MAYOR.
ALWAYS. HE KIND OF HAMMERS THIS. AND HE'S COACHED ME UP WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
AND I THINK OF THE DECIDUOUS TREES. BECAUSE I HAVE A NEIGHBOR WHO I LOVE WHO TOLD ME WHEN I MOVED IN ALMOST 30 YEARS AGO, I'M NOT CUTTING NOTHING.
AND SO HE HAS MASSIVE DECIDUOUS TREES THAT CLOG MY GUTTERS, WHICH DRAW TERMITES IN THE AND WHATEVER OF OTHER VARMINTS AND THE BIRDS THAT EAT THEM THEN ARE NOW IN YOUR ATTIC AND MY POOL, TO WHERE YOUR POOL PUMP BLOWS UP AFTER A STORM BECAUSE IT'S SUCKING NOTHING. AND SO. BUT AS FAR AS.
AND I'VE SPENT THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AND MY OWN TIME AND NEARLY LOST MY LIFE CUTTING BACK, TRYING TO GET AS HIGH AS I CAN AND CUT BACK THIS STUFF.
SO THERE ARE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. AND FOR BOB MIDDLETON, I'D ASK IF WE GO TO 85% DECIDUOUS TREES, HOW DO WE HOW DO WE KEEP OUR STORM DRAINS CLEAR OF ALL THAT, ALL THOSE FALLING LEAVES? AND IS THAT EVEN A VALID QUESTION? WELL, SURE.
THE MORE MATERIAL YOU HAVE FALLEN IN THE STREET, IT CAN BE COLLECTED, YOU KNOW, DURING A RAIN EVENT.
AND DO WE HAVE A TOOL FOR ENFORCING THAT? WE DO.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. NUMBER ONE, TREES IF IT'S A SPOILED SYSTEM TREES SHOULD NOT BE PLANTED WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY WHERE THE SWALES ARE INTENDED TO BE. RIGHT BEYOND THAT, ON PRIVATE PROPERTY, AS FAR AS PRIVATE PROPERTY, THAT WOULD BE A CODE ENFORCEMENT QUESTION I DON'T THINK I CAN ANSWER. I'M PRETTY SURE STATE LAW DOESN'T ALLOW IT, OR ELSE I WOULDN'T BE IN MY PREDICAMENT. RIGHT? OKAY.
SO THEN BACK HERE, LAST QUESTION. SO OR WHOEVER LET'S SAY WE GO ALL REFLECTIVE ROOFS BY CODE AND ORDINANCE. WE'RE GOING TO PAINT THE STREETS WHITE.
WHAT'S OUR NET BENEFIT GOING TO BE HERE? LIKE ARE WE GOING TO REDUCE THE TEMPERATURE BY TEN DEGREES OR 0.5 DEGREES OR WHAT'S THE REAL EFFECT AFTER WE DO THE THINGS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING? WELL, I MEAN, I THINK THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO ASSESS WHILE WE GO THROUGH IT, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK IT'S NECESSARILY PRACTICAL TO DO ALL THAT IN EVERY SITUATION.
YOU KNOW, WE ALWAYS GIVE THEM A PARTY WITH EMAILS AND OUR OWN RESEARCH, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO ASSESS AS WE GO SO THAT WHEN WE COME TO COUNCIL, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED. WE'VE VETTED, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, LOOKED AT COSTS.
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LOOK AT THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT. RIGHT NOW, THIS IS NOT WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.WE'RE JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, HERE'S WHERE IT'S THE HOTTEST AREAS OF THE CITY.
IS THERE ANYTHING WE CAN OR WANT TO DO ABOUT IT? YOU KNOW, IF IT'S NOT ON, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC PROPERTY, IT MAY BE A MOOT POINT ANYWAY.
SO IT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT HELPS HEATHER AS SHE GOES FORWARD IN HER STUDIES.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT HELPS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN DEVELOPMENT, AS WE GO THROUGH THAT TO DETERMINE IF WE WANT TO CHANGE THOSE CODES AND CHANGE, YOU KNOW, THAT ANGLE. WELL, QUITE FRANKLY, I CAN'T.
MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION IF I DON'T KNOW, IS IT JUST GOING TO BE WORTH THE SQUEEZE? I MEAN. RIGHT, AGREED. AND THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHY ALL THIS WAS, WAS JUST WHERE IS IT? IN THE CITY. SO THAT WHEN WE START GOING THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THE WHEN HEATHER GETS DONE WITH HER TREE INVENTORY AND WE START GOING THROUGH THOSE TYPES OF STUDIES, WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE WORKING WITH.
SO THERE WASN'T REALLY THIS IS JUST A STUDY THAT INFORMS OTHER STUDIES.
SO. YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE WE ARE WITH THIS. THIS IS NOT A WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT ANYTHING OR WE WANT TO DO ANYTHING AT THIS POINT, THIS IS JUST A STUDY TO INFORM OTHER STUDIES.
IF WE DO THIS, THEN THIS WILL BE THE RESULT. IS THAT THE CASE? I THINK THAT AS WE WORK THROUGH THINGS, WE WILL HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO WHETHER WE YOU KNOW, WANT TO GO FORWARD. SO AS WE DEVELOP THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR THE CODE CHANGES, YOU KNOW, ONCE WE GET TO THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, WE KNOW THAT THIS IS AN ISSUE IN THE CITY.
HOW DO WE WANT TO DEAL WITH THIS OR DO WE NOT WANT TO DEAL WITH THIS? YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WILL DECIDE AT THAT POINT IN TIME IF WE WANT TO DEAL WITH IT.
YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S IT'S IT'S FOR THE, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL TO MAKE THOSE FINAL DECISIONS.
OKAY. BUT I'M NOT SURE. SO IS THERE EVER GOING TO BE A POINT WHERE WE KNOW THAT IF WE DO THIS THEN WE GET A SPECIFIC RESULT? YES. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I WANT TO KNOW. BECAUSE THEN THEN WE CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.
OKAY, THANKS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. JUST ONE LITTLE TINY ADDENDUM TO THIS.
AND IT IS GOOD TO SEE, YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN TAKE AVERAGE TEMPERATURES, ETC..
DIRECTIONALLY, WE SEE THIS IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO JUST IN OBSERVING WHERE PEOPLE WALK AND BICYCLE, THEY'RE ALWAYS GOING OVER THE CANOPIED STREETS BECAUSE IT'S COOLER.
AND I THINK THAT QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE IS REALLY IMPORTANT TO OUR RESIDENTS.
AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, SO IT'S WORTH PURSUING IF THE, IF THE INVESTMENT WARRANTS AND WE KNOW THOSE AREAS WHERE THERE, WHERE, WHERE IT LACKS TREES AND WHERE IT'S HOT AND WHERE PEOPLE AVOID.
RIGHT. THANK YOU. AND OTHER THINGS THAT NEED TO BE LOOKED AT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT OUR CODES IS OUR LAKEFILL POLICIES AND OUR MANGROVE TRIMMING. COUNCIL NEEDS TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT.
AND DO WE HAVE POLICIES? I GUESS THIS IS A STORMWATER CONVERSATION, BUT ANY TYPE OF SCREENING FOR OUR STORMWATER DRAINS, I'VE SEEN IT THROUGHOUT WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN PUT PROTECTIVE COVERINGS SO THAT THE DEBRIS DOESN'T GO DOWN THERE INTO THOSE STORM DRAINS.
KEEP IN MIND THAT DOESN'T ELIMINATE THE MAINTENANCE ON THEM.
SO THEY'RE STILL GOING TO BE DEBRIS THAT CLOGS THEM.
AND YOU KNOW, WE GET CALLS ALL THE TIME. HEY MY MY INLETS PLUGGED UP.
IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT THE RESIDENT CAN DO ABOUT THAT, WE APPRECIATE THE CALL.
BUT IF THERE'S SOMETHING GOING ON AT THE TIME THAT SOMETHING GETS OVER AN INLET AND AND NEEDS A QUICK RESPONSE, IF THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT, WE DO RECOMMEND THAT SAFELY, OF COURSE, BUT WE DO WE DO STREET SWEEPING EVERY DAY.
NOT THAT WE SEE EVERYTHING IN THE SYSTEM EVERY DAY, BUT JUST WITHIN THE AREAS WE'RE WORKING.
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BUT THE A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE SOME OTHER SCREENING DEVICES THAT ARE IN THE OUTFALL PROJECT.WE'VE GOT INLET PRETREATMENT SYSTEMS AT THE PUMP STATION, SCREENING FACILITIES AT THE PUMP STATION, THAT SCREEN A LOT OF THE MATERIAL THAT DO PASS THROUGH THE INLETS INTO THE COLLECTION SYSTEM PRIOR TO BEING PUMPED OUT TO THE GULF.
THERE ARE SCREENING SYSTEMS THERE TO REMOVE THAT TYPE MATERIAL.
SO AS FAR AS PUTTING SCREENING AT THE STORMWATER DRAINS THAT ARE WITHIN THE CITY, AS ARE WE LOOKING INTO THAT? I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT ADDITIONAL SCREENING WOULD BE.
IF IF THERE'S SOMETHING OUT THERE THAT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH TO ADD ADDITIONAL SCREENING ONTO AN INLET BOX OR AN OPEN THROAT TYPE INLET BOX, THEN WE CAN DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT. WHEN YOU SAY OPEN THROAT, THROAT, INLET BOX, I'M JUST TALKING ABOUT THE DRAINS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, JUST ON THE STREETS, THE GREAT INLETS.
I ALWAYS PARDON THE GREAT INLETS. GREAT INLETS.
THAT'S A GREAT THAT'S WHAT I'M SPEAKING ABOUT.
THAT GREAT INLETS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT IS ANOTHER MAINTENANCE.
SO WE GO BACK TO MAINTENANCE POLICIES. RIGHT.
THANK YOU. WAS THAT PETRINO? IT IS. THANK YOU.
OKAY. AND THEN ALONG WITH LAKEFILL MANGROVE TRIMMING AND I KNOW WE NEED TO REALLY FOCUS IN ON AND I'M SURE WE'LL GET TO THAT WHEN IT'S BUILDING ON THE FENCES, THE STORE FOR PROTECTION MECHANISMS. AND THEN WE ARE PURCHASING NEW VEHICLES. YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THE AS COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER GOING TO THOSE VEHICLES TO GAS AND YOU KNOW, WHAT'S THAT TRANSITION AND WHAT DOES IT LOOK LIKE AND THAT CONVERSION.
SO I KNOW WE'VE LOOKED AT IT BEFORE IN THE PAST.
WHAT WAS THAT AGAIN? MAYOR I DIDN'T QUITE GET THAT ONE. THE CONVERSION FROM DIESEL OR GAS TO NATURAL GAS VEHICLES, IF THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE MOVING FORWARD AND BUYING AND PURCHASING, IS THAT A BENEFIT? YOU KNOW, OKAY. WE HAVEN'T HAD A WE HAVEN'T PURCHASED ANY NATURAL GAS TO DATE THAT I KNOW OF.
NO WE HAVEN'T. AND WHAT THE MAYOR IS REFERRING TO ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO WE DID A STUDY INTO PARDON ME.
NO, GO AHEAD. WE DID A STUDY IN CONVERTING OUR SOLID WASTE FLEET TO NATURAL GAS.
AND BASED ON THAT STUDY, WE DIDN'T HAVE THE RESOURCES LOCAL TO BE ABLE TO REFILL THOSE VEHICLES.
AND LIKE GEORGE MENTIONED, THERE'S A HIGH RATE FILL AND A LOW RATE FILL.
SO HAVING A TRUNK MAIN FOR NATURAL GAS NEAR THE CITY OF NAPLES TO TAP INTO TO FILL OUR TRUCKS WASN'T FEASIBLE AT THE TIME. NOW WE CAN RESURRECT THAT PROGRAM, THAT STUDY THAT WE DID SOME TEN YEARS AGO, MAYBE EVEN LONGER, AND SEE HOW IT WOULD APPLY TODAY. OKAY. THANK YOU.
COUNCIL MEMBER CUSHMAN AND THEN PENMAN. YEAH.
I JUST WANT TO DO A CHECK HERE. ARE WE JUST ASKING QUESTIONS RELATING TO MISS HARRIS'S PRESENTATION? OR ARE WE AT A POINT WHERE WE'RE COMMENTING ON THE THE LARGER PRESENTATION TO DATE IN THE STRATEGIC FRAMEWORK THAT MR. YILMAZ AND MR. MIDDLETON PRESENTED. I MEAN, I HAVE I HAVE A NUMBER OF I HAVE SEVERAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS ON THAT,
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BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE TIME. I THINK WE GOT OFF ON, ON THE TREES AND STARTED ASKING QUESTIONS AND KIND OF GAVE OPINIONS ALONG THE WAY. SO I'M HAPPY TO HOLD MY MY COMMENTS TILL LATER IF, IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE.AND I JUST WANTED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OF HEATHER WHILE SHE WAS HERE.
I, YOU KNOW, I THINK I NEED TO KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE HOPING TO WALK AWAY FROM THIS DAY WITH CERTAIN ACTION ITEMS, OR IS THIS JUST A DAY TO INFORM COUNCIL? AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT ACTION ITEMS LATER? I CAN'T I DON'T WANT TO STRAY OFF THE RESERVATION.
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT JUST RECEIVING THE PRESENTATION.
MR.. YEAH. AND I WOULD JUST SAY THAT THERE'S A COUPLE PURPOSES AND SPECIFICALLY THE SEAWALL, ONE BEING EMBEDDED IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OVERALL, IT'S IMPORTANT DURING THIS TOPIC THAT WE GET THE FEEDBACK AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE CODE CHANGES. AND SO COMING UP, WHEN WE GET TO THE ORDINANCE UPDATE IN THAT SECTION, THAT'S WHERE WE'RE REALLY GOING TO WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET COUNCIL'S DIALOG BEFORE WE GET BEFORE WE GET OFF OF THIS ITEM.
SO AS FAR AS THEN WHEN THE OVERALL RESILIENCY WILL GET BACK INTO THE FLOW OF THE OVERALL PROJECT, AND THEN THAT BECOMES EVERYTHING IS OBVIOUSLY LIVING AND BREATHING.
BUT WE DON'T WANT TO LEAVE THIS MEETING WITHOUT HAVING SOME GUIDANCE ON THE SEAWALL ORDINANCE AND SAYING, WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS WITH WHAT THE PRESENTATION IS PRESENTING.
AND THEN AND AGAIN, WE'LL CONTINUE TO WORK ON EVERYTHING, EVEN IF IT'S BRING MORE BACK TO US.
WE'RE NOT READY TO HAVE AN OPINION YET. THAT'LL BE FINE, MA'AM, BUT WE JUST SO IF WE CAN FOCUS ON THE SEAWALL PART OF IT FOR A FEW MINUTES AND FINISH THAT PART UP, THEN WE'LL GET BACK TO THE OVERALL.
AND THEN CONCOMITANT WITH THAT ARE WE ALSO LOOKING FOR SOME SORT OF GUIDANCE RELATIVE TO THE THE REEFS THAT DOCTOR GEORGE REFERRED TO? YEAH. I THINK ONCE WE GET BACK TO THE OR ANOTHER DAY, I THINK NO, THAT'LL BE THE INTENT IS TODAY I THINK.
AND WHEN WE WRAP UP AND THEN YOU'LL GET SOME UPDATES AS TO WHERE WE ARE ON CERTAIN THINGS AS WELL.
RIGHT. SO THAT WE CAN THEN TACKLE THEM. BUT THAT'LL BE YET TODAY WE RESPECTFULLY WOULD LOVE TO HAVE THOSE COMMENTS, BECAUSE I INTEND TO MAKE SOME MYSELF AND WHO WE ARE ALREADY ENGAGING IN PARTNERS AND DIFFERENT THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL.
THANK YOU. IF YOU'D LIKE, WE'LL GO AHEAD AND START ON THE SEAWALL.
THANK YOU. OKIDOKI. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE A COMMENT THAT I JUST REALIZED AS WE WERE GOING THROUGH THE PREVIOUS PRESENTATION, THIS ONE, THE STUDIES THAT WERE BEHIND THESE, THE THE THERMAL ANALYSIS AND THE SEAWALL DID NOT MAKE IT INTO YOUR COUNCIL PACKAGE.
SO WE'LL ROUTE THOSE STUDIES IMMEDIATELY. YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY, I'LL TRY AND DO IT RIGHT, YOU KNOW, AFTER WE GET DONE HERE. SO I'LL LET ERICA GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WITH OUR SEAWALL.
OKAY. SO THE CITY IS CURRENTLY PROTECTED BY ABOUT 44 MILES OF SEAWALL ALONG THE BAYFRONT.
MOST OF THESE ARE PRIVATELY OWNED. AND THEY WERE BUILT ORIGINALLY IN THE 1950S TO 1980S.
THE CITY CURRENTLY ONLY HAS A MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE SEAWALL ELEVATION OF 4.8FT, SO THERE IS NO MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TO BUILD TO PROVIDE FLOOD PROTECTION FOR THEIR PROPERTIES. AND SO WHAT THIS HAS ESSENTIALLY DONE IS CREATED THESE, THESE POCKETS OF, OF POTENTIALLY VULNERABLE LOCATIONS ACROSS THE CITY WHERE YOU HAVE OVERTOPPING THAT'S OCCURRING DURING HIGH TIDE AND STORM EVENTS AND FLOODING INLAND.
PROPERTIES AND INFRASTRUCTURE. AND I SEE SEA LEVEL RISE CONTINUES TO OCCUR OVER THE COMING DECADES.
THIS HAS THE POTENTIAL TO INCREASE THE FREQUENCY AND THE SEVERITY OF THIS FLOODING THAT'S OCCURRING. JUST TO KIND OF SHOW YOU A BREAKDOWN OF WHERE THE SEAWALL ELEVATIONS ARE TODAY. THE FIGURE ON THE RIGHT IS SHOWING THAT SO ABOUT 30% OF THE CITY'S SEAWALLS ARE LESS THAN TWO FEET HIGH.
ABOUT 80% OF THE CITY SEAWALLS ARE LESS THAN FOUR FEET HIGH.
AND SO AGAIN, THIS ALLOWS FOR THOSE COASTAL STORM EVENTS, EVEN LIKE THE MINOR TROPICAL STORM EVENTS, IN ADDITION TO THE NAMED EVENTS LIKE IRMA AND IAN TO CAUSE WIDESPREAD FLOODING IN THE CITY.
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AND CONSISTENT LEVEL OF FLOOD PROTECTION ACROSS THE CITY. SO THE FIRST STEP FOR THIS PROJECT, WE WANTED TO DEVELOP AN INVENTORY TO UNDERSTAND A BASELINE OF WHERE THE CITY SEAWALL ELEVATIONS CURRENTLY ARE TODAY.SO WE DID THIS THROUGH A COMBINATION OF DIFFERENT, DIFFERENT WAYS. WE FIRST EXTRACTED ELEVATIONS REMOTELY USING A DIGITAL ELEVATION MODEL TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SHORELINE ELEVATION WAS AT THESE SEAWALL LOCATIONS.
SO WE HAD MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION WHEREVER WE COULD GET IT.
WE ALSO WANTED THIS TO BE BASED ON BEST PRACTICES.
SO WE DID CONDUCT INTERVIEWS WITH OTHER CITIES ACROSS FLORIDA THAT HAVE ALREADY GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND ARE CONSIDERING LONG TERM SEA LEVEL RISE TRENDS IN THEIR IN THEIR ORDINANCES. SO WE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE CITIES OF FORT LAUDERDALE, MIAMI BEACH AND THE VILLAGE OF KEY BISCAYNE.
WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND HOW DID THEY DECIDE ON WHAT THEIR ELEVATIONS WERE GOING TO BE FOR THEIR DESIGN CRITERIA? WHAT ARE THE CHALLENGES THAT THEY FACED? YOU KNOW WHAT WORKED FOR THEM SO THAT WE COULD LEARN FROM THAT EXPERIENCE.
SO FIRST WE LOOKED AT THE BASELINE WATER LEVEL.
SO THIS IS ESSENTIALLY TELLING US WHAT DO WE WANT TO PROTECT AGAINST.
WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT AGAINST THE, YOU KNOW, REALLY LARGE STORM EVENTS LIKE HURRICANE IAN.
OR ARE WE TRYING TO PROTECT AGAINST THE MORE REGULARLY OCCURRING WATER LEVELS.
THROUGH CONVERSATIONS WE HAVE WITH THE CITY, AND WE DECIDED TO FOCUS ON THOSE MORE TYPICAL NUISANCE FLOODING EVENTS THAT ARE OCCURRING ON A REGULAR BASIS FOR FOR THE COMMUNITY. SO THESE ARE THE KING TIDE LEVEL WATER LEVELS.
WE ALSO WANTED TO ACCOUNT FOR THINGS LIKE LOCAL WAVE ACTION AND VARIABILITY IN THE TIDES THAT WE'RE EXPERIENCING EVERY YEAR, AS WELL AS BOAT WAKE. SO YOU HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A BUFFER.
YOU DON'T WANT TO JUST DESIGN TO JUST WEAR. THE KING TIDE IS TODAY.
AND BECAUSE WE WANT THIS TO BE A LONG TERM SOLUTION, WE ALSO ACCOUNTED FOR THE AMOUNT OF SEA LEVEL RISE THAT COULD OCCUR OVER THE FUNCTIONAL LIFE OF A TYPICAL SEAWALL, WHICH IS ABOUT 50 YEARS.
SO WE LOOKED AT THAT AND ADDED ADDITIONAL 2.2FT OF SEA LEVEL RISE IN THERE.
AND SO WHEN YOU ADD ALL THESE DIFFERENT COMPONENTS TOGETHER, THAT GIVES YOU A MINIMUM SEAWALL ELEVATION OF 5.6FT THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING AS AS THE MINIMUM DESIGN CRITERIA FOR FOR SEAWALLS IN THE CITY OF NAPLES.
SO WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF THE BENEFITS? WE'VE MENTIONED THIS ALREADY, BUT LOOKING AT THE EXISTING SEAWALL ELEVATIONS, IF THEY'RE NOT UPDATED BEYOND WHERE THEY ARE TODAY, ABOUT 30% OF THE BAYFRONT SEAWALLS ARE VULNERABLE TO OVERTOPPING, WHICH IS WHAT YOU SEE HERE IN THESE MAPS. SO THIS MAP IS OF THE CITY OF NAPLES, DIVIDED INTO TWO DIFFERENT PANELS, JUST TO TRY TO IMPROVE READABILITY. YOU KNOW, THE CITY OF NAPLES IS KIND OF A LONG AND NARROW CITY, SO IT'S HARD TO KIND OF SHOW IT ALL IN ONE PANEL.
SO THE AREAS THAT YOU SEE ALONG THE SHORELINE IN GREEN ARE THOSE THAT ARE VULNERABLE TODAY TO OVERTOPPING, AND THOSE IN THE KIND OF THE ORANGE, LIGHT BROWN COLOR ARE THOSE THAT ARE HIGH ENOUGH THAT THEY'RE NOT AS VULNERABLE TODAY. IF SEAWALLS ARE ELEVATED TO THE PROPOSED ELEVATION THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT, THEN IT WOULD REDUCE THE VULNERABILITY OF FLOODING TO 0% OF THE SEAWALLS.
SO ALL SEAWALLS WOULD BE PROTECTED UNDER EXISTING CONDITIONS.
I'M LOOKING FORWARD. I'M INCLUDING SEA LEVEL RISE THAT'S EXPECTED TO OCCUR.
IF WE LOOK AT ONE FOOT OF SEA LEVEL RISE, WHICH COULD OCCUR AROUND THE YEAR 2040, THE AMOUNT OF SEAWALLS THAT COULD BE OVERTOPPED IF THEY'RE NOT ELEVATED INCREASES TO ABOUT 70%. SO WE GO FROM 30% TO 70% BY 2040. AND IF WE ELEVATE THOSE SEAWALLS TO THAT RECOMMENDED ELEVATION, THAT DECREASES THE AMOUNT TO ZERO. SO AGAIN, ALL SEAWALLS ARE PROTECTED ALONG THE BAYFRONT.
IF THERE IF THERE ARE NO ELEVATION CHANGES TO THE EXISTING SEAWALLS TODAY.
SO THAT'S ALMOST ALL OF THEM. BUT IF IF THEY'RE ELEVATED TO THAT RECOMMENDED ELEVATION, THEN THAT INCREASES THE FLOOD PROTECTION TO INCLUDE AGAIN ALL OF THE ALL OF THE SEAWALLS. SO ALL OF THE BAYFRONT WOULD BE PROTECTED BY THIS MINIMUM ELEVATION.
SO NOW THAT WE'VE COMPLETED THE STUDY, WE'VE DEVELOPED THE RECOMMENDATIONS, AND WE'RE STARTING TO DEVELOP ORDINANCE LANGUAGE THAT CAN BE INCORPORATED INTO EXISTING CITY POLICY. THE INITIAL EFFORTS FOR THIS HAVE ALREADY BEGUN.
WE HAVE A DRAFT OF THE LANGUAGE ALREADY, BUT IT KIND OF OPENED UP PANDORA'S BOX.
AND NOW WE'VE FOUND THAT THERE'S A LOT OF COMPLICATIONS WITH THIS, AND THERE'S LOTS OF OTHER SECTIONS OF CITY CODES THAT NEED TO ALSO POTENTIALLY BE UPDATED TO PROVIDE CONSISTENCY. SO WE'RE KIND OF PUSHING PAUSE ON THIS NOW, AND WE'RE BRINGING IN OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IS AWARE OF THESE
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CHANGES. AND YOU KNOW, WE CAN KIND OF MAKE THINGS CONSISTENT ACROSS THE CITY AND TO KIND OF WORK THROUGH THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THOSE CHANGES.SO IT'S IT'S A BIG ENDEAVOR. I MEAN, IT'S A IT'S IT WAS A LOT MORE THAN WE INITIALLY ANTICIPATED.
SO AND IT GOES BACK NOW TO OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGES.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE SLIGHTLY DELAYED COMPARED TO WE WANTED TO HAVE THIS ORDINANCE READY FOR YOU TO REVIEW AND TO APPROVE, SO TO SPEAK, OR RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE ORDINANCE.
BUT IT'S JUST VERY, VERY COMPLICATED AS WE WENT THROUGH IT.
SO IF YOU GO UP TO 5.6FT NAVED, THAT WILL IN SOME INSTANCES RAISE THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, TWO FEET IF THEY'RE AT FOUR FEET RIGHT NOW OR 3.5FT, AND THEN THEY GO UP TO 5.5FT, THAT'S GOING TO RAISE THE PROPERTY.
BUT THEN HOW DO YOU ADDRESS THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS? SO WE'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH THAT AND WORK THROUGH THOSE ISSUES.
BUT THAT IS THE PROBABLY ONE OF THE BIGGER ISSUES.
AND HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH FLORIDA BUILDING CODES ASSOCIATED WITH THAT? SO IT'S JUST A CONVERSATION THAT WE'VE JUST RECENTLY BROACHED WITH BUILDING, AND WE JUST HAVEN'T HAD TIME TO SIT DOWN AND HAVE A GOOD CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT AND HOW TO GO FORWARD. SO THESE WOULD BE GROUND LEVEL SEAWALLS.
IT WOULDN'T BE EXPOSED SEAWALLS AT ALL. IS THAT IS THAT WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING? YOU HAVE TO BACKFILL THEM. MOST SEAWALLS WITHIN THE PEOPLE'S PROPERTIES, THEY BACKFILL. YES, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT WOULD THAT BE A REQUIREMENT? AGAIN, WE'RE NOT SURE WHAT THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT LOOKS LIKE.
AND IF THERE YOU KNOW, WE JUST DON'T KNOW. WE HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND REALLY THINK ABOUT IT.
AND WHAT'S THE BEST WAY FORWARD FOR THE CITY AND THE CONSTRUCTION OF THAT.
ARE THERE DIFFERENT CONSTRUCTION COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR? AND, YOU KNOW, KIND OF SIT DOWN WITH INDUSTRY AND SEE IF THEY COME UP WITH OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS BASED ON THE CONSTRUCTION PRACTICES, SO IT JUST TURNED INTO A MUCH LARGER CONVERSATION WITH MANY MORE PEOPLE THAN THIS STUDY COULD, YOU KNOW, DEAL WITH IN THAT THE TIME FRAMES THAT WE HAVE.
BUT WE STARTED IT. WE JUST REALLY HAVE TO HAVE MORE CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHERS.
THANKS. THANK YOU. KRAMER. VICE MAYOR. YEAH. FOR ME, THANK YOU FOR THIS.
RIGHT? SEAWALLS, THE HEIGHT OF THE SEAWALLS. BUT THIS IS WHERE WE RUN INTO ISSUES WITH OUR ELECTED REPRESENTATIVES AT THE STATE LEVEL. MORE RESTRICTIVE OR BURDENSOME LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS.
SO I KNOW WE'RE NOT GETTING IN DEEP INTO THAT DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW, BUT IF WE DON'T GET THAT SOLVED, ALL THESE REALLY ARE. AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT PROTECTING OUR COMMUNITY, ALL THIS REALLY IS, IS SUGGESTIONS, NOT REALLY TAKING MEANINGFUL STEPS TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY FROM WHAT WE KNOW IS IN THE FUTURE.
SO THAT'S WHAT, IN MY OPINION, IS VERY, VERY CONCERNING.
AND HOW MUCH TIME DO WE ALLOW OUR STAFF TO CONTINUE DOWN THIS PATH OF PROTECTING OUR COMMUNITY? IF WE REALLY DON'T HAVE THE HOME RULE TO TAKE THE STEPS NECESSARY? SO WE NEED TO GET OVER THAT HURDLE SOON. AND I HOPE THAT WE WE ARE ABLE TO BECAUSE THIS IS VERY SERIOUS CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE MEASURES THAT WE NEED TO TAKE. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. OKAY.
AND SO WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS ASK IF THAT'S THE DIRECTION YOU WOULD LIKE US TO GO IN.
DO YOU WANT US TO GO DOWN THIS ROAD OF DEVELOPING THE ORDINANCE FOR THE MINIMUM SEAWALL HEIGHT, ELEVATION, OR YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD BE YOUR PREFERENCES? BECAUSE WE WE NEED IT'S NOT EVEN IF IT'S STILL GOING TO TAKE TIME, WE'RE STILL GOING TO HAVE TO WORK THROUGH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK THROUGH ZONING AND CODE CHANGES.
SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE NEXT MONTH.
IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE MIGHT BE LOOKING AT IN A YEAR OR SO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TWO YEARS EVEN, JUST DEPENDING ON HOW THAT, YOU KNOW, IT ALL COMES TOGETHER AND WHO IS INVOLVED AND STUFF.
SO I GUESS MY BIG ASK OF THIS PARTICULAR PRESENTATION IS, WOULD YOU LIKE US TO GO DOWN THIS ROAD?
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THEN WHEN THINGS ARE SETTLED AT THE STATE LEVEL, WE WOULD BE READY TO HIT THE GROUND GOING.OTHER THAN THAT, WE WILL HAVE TO JUST SIT BACK AND START THE PROCESS.
AT THAT TIME, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE HAVE A WORKSHOP WITH WHAT'S THE BUILDING ASSOCIATION AND INVITE THEM TO COME OR ARCHITECTS TO COME THE BUILDING, YOU KNOW, CONSTRUCTING CONTRACTORS AND HAVE THAT CONVERSATION PUBLICLY ON HOW WE ARE GOING TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY AND LOOKING AT CHANGING THESE THE SEAWALLS AND HOW WE ARE PROTECTING OUR NEIGHBORS FROM FLOODING.
I MEAN, LET'S JUST HAVE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THEM RIGHT HERE.
ARE WE GOING TO GO WITH THE 5.6 ELEVATION? IS THAT THE DIRECTION THAT WE'RE GOING? WELL, I APPRECIATE YOUR ASK, BUT IF THERE'S GOING TO BE I MEAN, WE CAN MAKE A DECISION AS A COUNCIL, BUT NOT KNOWING THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OR THE CONVERSATION THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN OUT THERE.
COUNCILMAN KRISEMAN WELL, THIS REALLY THE QUESTION MISS HARTMAN IS ASKING ON SEAWALLS REALLY GETS AT WHAT I WAS ASKING ABOUT A MOMENT AGO IN TERMS OF WHERE WE ARE IN THIS CONVERSATION, BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF INFORMATION HAS ALREADY BEEN PROVIDED, STARTING WITH MR. YILMAZ AND MR. MIDDLETON'S FRAMING OF THE RESILIENCY PLAN.
AND AND COMMENTS FROM VARIOUS COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE ADDED A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT ADDITIONAL ELEMENTS.
AND I MEAN, I'LL JUST SAY, I THINK WHAT WE HAVE HERE YOU KNOW, I WAS GOING TO SAY THIS LATER.
I'LL SAY IT NOW. I THINK THE WORK STAFF HAS DONE IN WHAT THEY HAVE PREPARED HERE AND PRESENTED ARE PRESENTING TO US TODAY IS REALLY OUTSTANDING. I MEAN, WE HAVE COME A LONG WAY.
AND FOR THE FIRST TIME, WE HAVE A PLAN, WHAT I CALL A REAL PLAN.
IT'S A FRAMEWORK OF A PLAN THAT'S STILL A REAL PLAN.
WITH THE THREE PILLARS, AND I THINK IT GIVES US A STRUCTURE TO WORK FROM WITHIN THAT ARE.
HOWEVER, A HOST OF DIFFERENT ELEMENTS AND I DON'T WANT TO MAKE A BAD PUN HERE, BUT.
WE CAN'T BOIL THE OCEAN, RIGHT? WE CAN'T BOIL THE OCEAN, WHICH IS WHAT WE OFTEN DO WHEN WE SAY, WELL, WE GOT TO DO THIS AND THAT AND THE OTHER THING AND, AND THEN YOU END UP DOING NOTHING IF YOU HAVE TOO MANY INDIVIDUAL PRIORITIES.
BUT TO ACCOMPLISH PILLAR ONE IS LONG TERM, IN MY OPINION TWO WERE ALREADY WORKING ON AND WE CAN DO MORE. AND THREE IS WHERE WE REALLY HAVE WITHIN OUR AUTHORITY AS A CITY AND TO AND THE ABILITY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE SHORT TERM. AND I THINK WHAT PEOPLE WHAT OUR RESIDENTS ARE LOOKING FOR PRIMARILY IS HOW ARE YOU GOING TO HELP US BY MITIGATING FLOOD RISK? I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ON OUR HOMES AND OUR BUSINESSES.
AND SO I THINK WE'RE WHERE I WANT TO COME OUT OF THIS IS WITH YOU KNOW WITHIN THIS LARGER PLAN THAT'S BEING PRESENTED A SHORT TERM, YOU KNOW, 1 TO 3 YEARS THAT GETS UPDATED EVERY YEAR.
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? WHAT ARE WE GOING TO GET DONE AND WHERE SEAWALLS FITS WITHIN THAT? I HAVE NO IDEA. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THE BENEFITS OF PASSING A SEAWALL, A SEAWALL ORDINANCE IS SOMETHING THAT WILL PRODUCE WHAT I WOULD CALL SHORT AND MEDIUM TERM RESULTS.
OR IT'S A LONGER TERM ISSUE. SO YOU'RE ASKING A QUESTION.
SO DEFINITELY WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE STAFF CONVERSATIONS AND GET WITH SOME CONTRACTORS AND AND BAKE THIS OUT A LITTLE BIT BETTER AND, YOU KNOW, BRING IT BACK TO YOU. SO THANK YOU I APPRECIATE THAT.
BUT WE'VE HAD THAT CONVERSATION ABOUT SEAWALLS FOR OVER SEVERAL YEARS.
I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD KEEP THE STATUS QUO.
I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING WE NEED TO ADDRESS.
IS IT BENEFICIAL? WELL, I MEAN, JUST TALKING ABOUT LANGUAGE SO WE CAN DEFINITELY IF WE WE'LL JUST GO IN THIS DIRECTION AS FAR AND WE CAN CHANGE THAT, YOU KNOW YOU KNOW, AS WE GO THROUGH AND DEVELOP IT, IF THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT COMES AND SAYS, THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN DO THIS, BUT MAYBE WE CAN SUPPORT FIVE FOOT SEAWALLS, YOU KNOW, WE'LL COME BACK AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT THAT.
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AND AND LET ME LET ME BE CLEAR. IF STAFF COMES BACK AND SAYS, WE STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT WE DO THE FOLLOWING.I'LL LISTEN TO YOU AND I'LL SUPPORT YOU. AND IF YOU SAY WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD DO THE FOLLOWING.
AND HERE ARE THE BENEFITS. I'LL BE. I'LL BE SUPPORTIVE, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE INDEPENDENT OF THAT.
THE ABILITY TO MAKE A JUDGMENT AS TO WHERE THIS SHOULD FIT IN OUR PRIORITY LIST.
DEVELOPING STORM WALL HEIGHT ADJUSTMENT RESOLUTIONS.
WE HAVE TO IDENTIFY EVERYWHERE IN THE CODE THAT IT CAN BE AFFECTED.
AND WHETHER WE DECIDE TODAY WHETHER IT'S 2.4 OR 5%, 5.6 ISN'T THE IMPORTANT ISSUE.
SO I GUESS FROM A FROM A DIRECTION STANDPOINT, WE AGREE.
SEAWALL HEIGHT MINIMUM NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN SOME WAY, OR WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET A HANDLE.
WE'RE WE'RE VIRTUALLY REACHING UNDERWATER IN SOME PLACES ALREADY.
IF WE AGREE ON THAT FRAMEWORK, THEN THAT'S THE WAY WE'LL APPROACH THIS.
EXCUSE ME GOING FORWARD AND GETTING DEFINED CRITERIA FOR THAT PART OF IT.
NOW AS IT PERTAINS TO THERE'S ANOTHER ELEMENT TO THAT.
AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THIS IS WE HAVE TO DETERMINE WHAT IS OUR TOLERANCE AS A GOVERNMENT.
SO WHAT MY POINT IS, IT'S NOT A SINGULAR PRIVATE PUBLIC.
IT IS A COMPREHENSIVE VIEW OF IT. AND SO I THINK WE HAVE A LOT MORE TO BRING BACK TO YOU BY THE TIME WE COME BACK IS NOT ONLY A HERE'S WHAT WE WANT TO PASS ON, BUT OH, BY THE WAY, HERE'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DO OURSELVES.
AND MR. CUSHMAN IS RIGHT. THAT'S WHY I SAID THIS IS A LIVING, BREATHING DOCUMENT FROM HERE ON OUT, BECAUSE IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED AND IT NEEDS TO BE FOCUSED ON WHAT IS THAT AREA, WHAT IS THAT TEAM WORKING ON, AND WHAT IS OBSTACLE NUMBER ONE AND WHAT CAN YOU GET ACCOMPLISHED.
AND SO I THINK THAT'S THE THAT'S THE KEY TO THIS.
SO I THINK I WE HAVE AGAIN, IF I'M READING THE NODS OF THE HEADS, IT'S YES WE AGREE.
WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE SEAWALL HEIGHT MINIMUM.
DO WE ALL AGREE IT'S 5.6 TODAY? NO, BUT GOING DOWN THAT PATH AND PREPARING THAT AS AN ISOLATED ITEM TO COME BACK TO YOU TO GET MOVEMENT ON IS A WORTHWHILE ENDEAVOR IN THE OVERALL RESILIENCY.
I THINK YOU DID. AND I JUST FOR CONSENSUS BECAUSE I DO SEE THE HEADS NODDING.
JUST I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU MR. YOUNG, AND THIS IS A WORKSHOP.
THIS IS A WORKSHOP. WE'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TODAY.
INTERFERENCE BY THE STATE APPLIES. THIS IS A WORKSHOP.
WE'RE MAKING RECOMMENDATIONS TODAY. LET'S PROCEED.
OKAY. ANYONE OPPOSED TO THAT? THANK YOU. OKAY.
OKAY, GREAT. AND WE HAVE ONE LAST LITTLE OUR BROCHURE THAT WE DEVELOPED FOR RESILIENCE FOR THE CITY.
AND WE JUST WANTED YOU TO PUT YOUR EYES ON IT AND SEE YOU KNOW WHAT WE HAD DONE.
SO THE CITY REACHED OUT TO US AND ASKED US TO CREATE A BROCHURE FOR FOR THE PUBLIC.
YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES WHEN, WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT RESILIENCE, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK ABOUT WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY, INFRASTRUCTURE UPGRADES, BUT THERE'S A LOT MORE THAT GOES INTO RESILIENCE.
SO ALL OF THESE DIFFERENT THINGS WORK TOGETHER TO INCREASE THE OVERALL RESILIENCE OF THE CITY.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT THIS BROCHURE IS MEANT TO DO.
IT'S MEANT TO KIND OF BRING THAT LANGUAGE TO THE PUBLIC SO THAT EVERYBODY HAS THE SAME BASELINE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S BEING DONE, AND THEN WHAT THE CITY IS DOING IN EACH ONE OF THESE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
SO I'M JUST GOING TO ZOOM INTO THIS. THIS IS THE INSIDE OF THE THREE PANEL BROCHURE.
THAT KIND OF IS THE MEAT OF IT. SO THIS KIND OF SHOWS EACH OF THOSE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES THAT, THAT I WAS JUST MENTIONING. IN ADDITION TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE RESILIENCE YOU DO HAVE THAT GOVERNANCE, ECONOMIC, COMMUNITY AND ENVIRONMENTAL. AND UNDERNEATH EACH ONE OF THESE WE'VE LISTED WHAT THE CITY IS DOING, JUST A COUPLE OF EXAMPLE PROJECTS TO SHOW THAT THE CITY IS BEING PROACTIVE IN EACH OF THESE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.
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ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE OF THE PANEL. THE PANELS ON THE OUTSIDE OF THE BROCHURE ARE ALSO SHOWING WHAT ARE THE HIGH LEVEL RISKS THAT THE CITY IS DEALING WITH.SO HOPEFULLY THESE KIND OF EFFORTS ARE GOING TO HELP WITH GETTING THE PUBLIC EDUCATED ON THESE, ON THESE DIFFERENT TYPES OF, OF ISSUES AND, AND UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE CITY IS DOING.
SO THEY'LL BE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF, OF ANY KIND OF ACTIONS AND IMPLEMENTATION THAT COME OUT OF SOME OF THE PILLARS THAT YOU ARE, YOU HEARD ABOUT EARLIER THIS MORNING. SO I THINK THAT IS EVERYTHING.
I THINK THAT BROCHURE IS GOING TO BE INCLUDED AS A PART OF YOUR PACKAGE. SORRY YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT YET, BUT WE DEFINITELY WELCOME ANY, ANY COMMENTS OR ANY EDITS THAT YOU WANT US TO MAKE. WE CAN INCORPORATE THOSE AS WELL.
ACTUALLY, I THINK THAT DID MAKE IT. OH IT DID. OKAY, GREAT.
ANY COMMENTS AT THIS POINT? VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU.
SO SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE UP HERE ON THE DAIS, I, I'M ONE OF THOSE THAT STRONGLY RECOMMEND THAT WE DEVELOP THESE RESILIENCE PLANS AND NOT ONLY DEVELOP THEM, BUT TAKE STEPS MOVING FORWARD TO IMPLEMENT. RIGHT. BUT MY QUESTION IS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE THIS AND IT'S IN ONE OF YOUR SLIDES ABOUT STATE LEGISLATION, SB 180 AND 250, THAT THAT SPEAKS TO OUR ABILITY TO DO THESE THINGS.
HOW FAR AWAY? YOUR BEST GUESS ARE WE FROM DESIGNING AND COMING FORWARD WITH RECOMMENDED SEAWALL HEIGHTS AND THEN THE NEED TO DEVELOP CODE AND ORDINANCES AROUND THOSE.
HOW FAR AWAY? WHAT'S THE TIMELINE FOR SOME OF THIS? I MEAN, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WE GO THROUGH.
I HATE TO STEP ON ERICA'S FEET, BUT SHE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THAT DURING HER PRESENTATION.
AND THEN WE'LL BE IN A, I GUESS, A STAFF MEMBERS WE'D LIKE TO DO THINGS ALL KIND OF AT THE SAME TIME, ALTHOUGH THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER ORDINANCES AND STUFF THAT WE BRING FORWARD PRIOR TO US.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE. YEAH. I MEAN, WHEN WE WERE CONDUCTING THIS STUDY AND KIND OF COMING UP WITH WHAT THE RECOMMENDED SEAWALL ELEVATION DESIGN CRITERIA COULD BE, WE DID KIND OF ACCOUNT FOR THIS LAG OF WHEN IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO TAKE PLACE.
YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO GET IT REVIEWED BY YOU KNOW, LAWYERS AND YOU HAVE TO GET IT ADOPTED BY CITY COUNCIL, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO START THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS. AND SO WHEN WE DEVELOPED THAT 5.6 ELEVATION, WE COUNTED THAT IT MIGHT NOT HAPPEN UNTIL STARTING MAYBE 2030.
SO WE HAD TO MAKE AN ASSUMPTION THAT THERE WAS A CONSTRUCTION START DATE SOMEWHERE. SO WE DID ASSUME THAT IT WOULD BE 2030 AND THEN THAT THAT 50 YEAR DESIGN LIFE USEFUL LIFE WOULD ALSO BRING IT OUT TO THE YEAR 2080. SO THAT'S KIND OF LIKE HOW WE DEVELOPED THAT SEA LEVEL RISE AMOUNT.
OKAY. AND AGAIN, THE THE TIMELINE. ARE YOU SAYING I WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M UNDERSTANDING? ARE YOU SAYING THAT IT WOULD BE 2030 IF WE START NOW BEFORE WE CAN START ACTUALLY PUTTING THIS IN EFFECT. YEAH, JUST IT WAS JUST A HIGH LEVEL ASSUMPTION OF JUST.
YEAH. LIKE, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL THE YEAR 2030 TO DO SOMETHING, BUT WE JUST WE NEEDED A START DATE TO BE ABLE TO ESTIMATE THE AMOUNT OF SEA LEVEL RISE THAT COULD, COULD OCCUR OVER THAT TIME PERIOD OF THE SEAWALL.
OKAY. AND IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RAISING ELEVATION OF SEAWALLS, WE USE THE THE DATE OF 20 OR ACTUALLY I THINK IT WAS 50 YEAR LIFE. RIGHT. THE 50 YEAR LIFE. IS THAT 50 YEARS WHEN THE SEA LEVEL RISE AND THE HEIGHT OF OUR SEAWALLS THEN NEED TO BE ADDRESSED? OR IS IT 50 YEARS FOR THE LIFE OF THE SEAWALL? WHAT? WHEN WE SAY 50 YEAR LIFE, WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT? IS IT. IT'S REFERRING TO THE FUNCTIONAL LIFE OF THE SEAWALL ITSELF.
SO YOU MIGHT HAVE TO REEVALUATE. IS IT STILL HAVING AN EFFECT ON PREVENTING FLOODING FOR THE PROPERTY? SO YOU MIGHT NEED TO USE A HIGHER ELEVATION AT THAT POINT. BUT FOR THIS INITIAL ESTIMATE THAT WE CAME UP WITH,
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WE USED THE 50 YEAR DESIGN LIFE AND THE AMOUNT OF SEA LEVEL RISE THAT COULD OCCUR OVER THAT TIME PERIOD AND AT 50 YEARS.THAT FINAL QUESTION HERE, AT 50 YEARS ON THE LIFE OF A SEAWALL, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT DESIGNING SEAWALLS THAT WE CAN SIMPLY ADD TO THE ELEVATION? OR ARE WE TALKING ABOUT TEARING IT DOWN AND REBUILDING THE SEAWALL TO EITHER THE SAME OR A HIGHER HEIGHT? IDEALLY, YOU WOULD MAKE IT SO IT'S ADAPTABLE SO THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY BUILD ON TOP OF IT WITH ADDITIONAL CAPPING.
THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO TURN TO OUR CITY ATTORNEY, MR. MCCONNELL. ARE WE ARE THERE ANY OBSTACLES FOR THIS COUNCIL TO CONTINUE DOWN A PATH THAT AT THIS POINT, IT LOOKS LIKE WE COULD BE AT ODDS WITH OUR STATE LEVEL LEGISLATORS.
ARE WE ABLE TO GO ALL THE WAY DOWN THE PATH TRYING TO PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY, OR CAN THEY INTERVENE AND STOP US AT ANY POINT? DO YOU SEE ANY POINT THAT OR ANY STEP IN THIS PROCESS THAT IS PROBLEMATIC FOR THE COMMUNITY? GREAT QUESTION. I THINK HAVING A DISCUSSION PUTTING FORTH THOUGHTS, HAVING STAFF WORK ON ORDINANCES, CLEARLY NOTHING'S BEING PROPOSED RIGHT NOW. THIS IS JUST CLEARLY DIRECTION.
SO I THINK YOU ALL SHOULD GIVE DIRECTION, ALLOW STAFF TO DO WHAT THEY DO.
AND AS ALWAYS, IF I IF I FEEL THE NEED TO INTERJECT AT ANY POINT AND ADVISE YOU OF WHICH WAY TO GO, I WOULD BE GLAD TO DO SO. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
ON THAT LINE. SO WHETHER IT'S LEGAL OR OR STAFF.
SO WE HAVE NEW HOMES THAT ARE BEING BUILT ON THE WATER AND WATER.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT ALL OF THOSE SEAWALLS ARE ONLY AT 2.2? NO, I'M SAYING ALL THOSE. YOU ALL CAN ONLY BE BUILT TO AN ELEVATION OF 4.8 IN ABD.
SO 4.8 NOW. BUT IS THAT FOR JUST NEW HOMES? SO IF YOU'RE AN OLDER HOME AND YOU HAVE TWO NEW HOMES ON SIDE OF YOU THAT ARE NEW, I MEAN, ARE YOU SAYING THAT WE DON'T HAVE A POLICY OR THAT SOMEONE CAN'T? GO UP THEIR HEIGHT OR CAP FOR THE SAME LEVELS THAT ARE BEING BUILT AROUND THEM? I MEAN, THEY'RE ABLE TO THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO BUILD THEIR OWN NEW SEAWALL.
THEY'RE NOT REQUIRED BECAUSE YOUR NEIGHBORS ARE BOTH AT 4.8, YOU'RE NOT REQUIRED TO DO THAT.
CORRECT. BUT TO PROTECT THEIR PROPERTY, IF THEY WANTED TO DO SO, YOU HAVE TO BUILD A NEW SEAWALL OR PUT A CAP ON THAT SEAWALL. YES, DEPENDING ON THE AGE, WHETHER IT'S A NEW WHAT WILL WORK FOR THEIR SITUATION.
YES. AND ALSO THE MISSING FACTOR THAT WE HAD DISCUSSED WAS SUPPORTING OLD SEAWALLS BY USING RIPRAP.
HAVE WE HAVE YOU AS A STAFF GONE INTO THAT DISCUSSION ON REINFORCING THE OLDER WALLS WITH RIPRAP AND THEN PUTTING A CAP ON TOP? ALL SEAWALLS ON NATURAL WATERWAYS IN THE CITY OF NAPLES REQUIRE RIPRAP ON THE OUTSIDE.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU PUT RIPRAP, IT HAS TO COME AT A AT AN ANGLE.
SO YOU DON'T WANT TO IMPACT THE DEPTH OF THE CANAL BY DOING THAT.
SO RIGHT NOW THE CITY OF NAPLES DOES NOT REQUIRE RIPRAP ON MAN MADE CANALS.
WHAT IS THE ENCROACHMENT INTO THE WATERWAY IF YOU WERE TO REINFORCE AN OLD SEAWALL WITH RIPRAP? I MEAN, I DON'T TYPICALLY I'M THE ONE WHO DOES THE REVIEWS FOR THE SEAWALLS.
SO YOU WOULD PUT IN A NEW SEAWALL AT A HIGHER ELEVATION.
SO DEPENDING ON, YOU KNOW, LIKE THE ELEVATION, HOW HIGH THEY NEED TO GO, IT WOULD HAVE TO ANGLE OUT.
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AND IT JUST DEPENDS ON, YOU KNOW, THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY, HOW MUCH SPACE THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT.OKAY. SO I MEAN WE WOULDN'T SAY NO. WE WOULD JUST SAY, YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE THE ROOM? YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD HAVE TO ENGINEER THAT. THEY WOULD HAVE TO TELL US. THANK YOU.
COUNCILMEMBER KRAMER. OKAY. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE WRAPPING UP THIS PART OF IT.
AND I JUST WANTED TO TO RAISE EARLIER CONVERSATION ABOUT THE 30,000 FOOT VIEW WITH DOCTOR UMASS.
I SEE SCOTT SCHULTZ HERE. SCOTT. I MET SCOTT WELL BEFORE I WAS ELECTED, AND HE WAS THE CHAIR OF THE COASTAL STORM RISK AD HOC COMMITTEE WORKING WITH ARMY CORPS. AND SO HE GAVE ME A LOT OF READING, AND I WENT THROUGH ALL OF THEIR MEETING NOTES.
AND IT WAS CLEAR FROM THE VERY EARLY ON THAT THING STARTED THAT THE PUBLIC, THE FOLKS, AT LEAST WHOEVER THEY WERE INTERVIEWING, HAD NO INTEREST IN REAL HARDENING. THEY WERE COOL WITH PLANNING, PUTTING BUSHES ON DUNES, BUT THEY DIDN'T WANT. SO I'M HOPING THERE'S A NEW THAT WE GET A BREATH OF FRESH AIR WITH THAT, THAT BECAUSE OF THE EVENTS WE'VE HAD SINCE THAT.
AND GREAT JOB WHEN SHE DID THAT. ABOUT 11 YEARS AGO SHE WENT FROM TARIFA OVER TO NEAR TANGIER, MOROCCO. BUT WE TOOK SOME TIME TO VISIT CADIZ, WHICH IS THE OLDEST CITY IN THE WESTERN WORLD.
AND I'M STANDING ON A SEAWALL BUILT IN 1100 BC BY THE PHOENICIANS.
THAT IS ACTIVE TODAY. AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK OF WHEN I HEAR DOCTOR YILMAZ.
YES, OF COURSE WE CAN DO THIS. OF COURSE WE CAN HAVE A BARRIER REEF.
AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO TO AUSTRALIA. BY THE WAY, YOU CAN GO TO THE BAHAMAS, TO ABACO, GUANA KEY, AND JUST OUTSIDE OF THAT YOU CAN SEE THE NEXT LARGEST BARRIER REEF.
SO THIS CAN BE DONE. IT'S A QUESTION OF WILL AND, AND, AND I BELIEVE THIS COUNCIL HAS A WILL TO GET THESE WHEELS MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION. I SELL THAT COUCH. ALL THAT WITH THIS, AND I WASN'T TRYING TO CROSS-EXAMINE Y'ALL.
WE HAVE TO KNOW THE JUICE IS WORTH THE SQUEEZE.
AND I THINK IT'S SOME OF THE REAL HARDENING STUFF.
WE KNOW IT. WE KNOW IT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER PLACES THROUGHOUT THE WORLD YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, GO UP THE DANUBE AND LOOK AT THE THE GIANT, THE GATES.
I MEAN, YOU CAN THERE IS WATER CONTROL. THERE'S FLOOD CONTROL ALL OVER THE WORLD.
AND I THINK IT'S COOL THAT WE CAN BE THE TIP OF THE SPEAR HERE IN SOUTHWEST FLORIDA.
I HOPE THAT WE DO THAT AND AND KICK THIS. KEEP KICKING THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD.
I THINK THE PATHWAY WAS CLEAR ON WHICH WAYS TO GO.
I DO WANT TO WRAP THIS UP. I JUST NEED TO DO SOME PUBLIC COMMENT, AND WE'RE NOT DONE.
I KNOW YOU'RE NOT. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT A WHOLE LOT OF RIGHT.
BUT I WANT TO. I WANT TO TAKE A BREAK BECAUSE THE CLERK NEEDS A BREAK.
OKAY. WITH THAT SCOTT SCHULTZ. THANK YOU ALL.
SCOTT SCHULTZ LIVE IN BAY POINT IN NAPLES, K AS COUNCILMAN CRAMER NOTED, I WAS THE PAST CHAIR OF THE COLLIER COUNTY COASTAL STORM RISK MANAGEMENT AD HOC ADVISORY COMMITTEE. AND TAKE A DRINK. SOME OF THE ITEMS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE, WE WE COVERED AT GREAT LENGTH THE ABILITY TO PUT THE BREAK SHORES ALONG THE WAY. IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR MAP OF SOUTHWEST FLORIDA, YOU SEE THAT COLLIER.
LEE. CHARLOTTE. SARASOTA. MANATEE. THEY HAVE BARRIER ISLANDS THERE.
THERE. WE WERE TOLD BY THE ARMY CORPS THAT WE'D HAVE TO GET EPA APPROVAL IF WE WANTED TO PUT ANY BREAK WALLS OUT IN THE WATER, BECAUSE YOU HAVE SEA TURTLE MIGRATION, YOU HAVE COMMERCIAL FISHERIES OUT THERE WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO BE ESTABLISHING THESE THINGS. IT WAS DEEMED UNDOABLE, AT LEAST BY THE ARMY CORPS.
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THEY WANTED TO GO DOWN 20FT AND 15FT UP WITH A SEAWALL FROM BONITA BEACH ROAD TO PORT ROYAL.THIS STUFF HAS ALL BEEN VISITED BY OFFICIAL BODIES WHERE WE GOT SCREWED AROUND WITH.
AND CANDIDLY, THE TURF WARS HERE ARE JUST AMAZING.
I WAS INVITED, FOR EXAMPLE, TO THE CONSERVANCY.
IT'S BEEN A WHOLE DAY THERE TO BE THERE, AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I WAS THERE.
THEY WOULDN'T PUT A CARD UP SAYING, HEY, I'M HERE.
I'D LIKE TO TALK. THEY SAID, NO, YOUR AGENDA IS DIFFERENT THAN OUR AGENDA.
SO THEY WOULDN'T EVEN LISTEN TO ME. AND I FOUND THAT APPALLING.
THE CONSERVATIVES SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES FOR THAT. BUT THE OPPORTUNITY THAT WE HAVE HERE NOW, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU ALL. I WAS IN FINLAND THIS SUMMER FOR NINE WEEKS, AND I OBSERVED A LOT OF THINGS THERE.
I WAS TOLD BY SOME THAT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANT TO BE INVOLVED IN THIS, YOU KNOW, FILE TO HAVE A JOB ON THE PLANNING, YOU KNOW, PLANNING DEPARTMENT. I'M NOT ABOUT TO DO THAT.
BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS WE CAN BRING TO THIS.
THE EXPERIENCE I HAD DEALING WITH SOME OF THE PETTINESS AND SOME OF THE REALITIES THE PUBLIC HAD NO APPETITE WHATSOEVER TO TO FORTIFY THE BEACH, SLUICE GATES, ALL THE STUFF THAT WAS INTO IT.
AND THERE WAS NO GUARANTEE THAT WHAT THE ARMY CORPS WAS GOING TO DO WAS GOING TO WORK.
AND IF ONCE THEY LEFT, THEY WEREN'T GOING TO COME BACK AND FIX IT.
IT'S VERY REAL. AND SO I APPRECIATE MY TIME'S UP.
BUT I WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE STUFF WITH YOU FROM MY EXPERIENCE FROM THAT PROJECT.
AND THEN MY EVOLUTION INTO ARMY CORPS TWO, WHERE I WAS SELECTED BY COMMISSIONER COLWELL TO REPRESENT DISTRICT FOUR, WHICH ENCOMPASSED THE CITY. AND I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT WOULD HAVE LIKED TO HAVE HAD THAT POSITION, AND THAT'S FINE, BUT I GOT IT AND I WORKED IT AND I WORKED WITH IT, THUS VISITING ALL THE HOA PRESIDENTS.
SO THE APPETITE IN THIS COMMUNITY FOR FORTIFICATION OF THE BEACH HAS EVOLVED FROM THE ARMY CORPS ONE TO ARMY CORPS TWO, WHERE IT'S GOING TO BE JUST ALL SOFT. IT'S GOING TO BE NO STRUCTURES OF ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
THAT'S SHORT SIGHTED TOO. BUT AS THINGS EVOLVE, AS YOU ALL GET INTO THE MEAT AND POTATOES OF THIS THING, WITH STAFF, WITH THE GREAT IDEAS THEY HAVE. BUT JUST LOOK AT LOOK AT THE MAP.
TO THINK THAT JUST ONE LITTLE ACTION DOWN HERE IS GOING TO MATTER.
YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT YOUR NEIGHBORS. IT'S GOT TO BE A REGIONAL APPROACH.
OTHERWISE, YOU'RE SPENDING A BOATLOAD OF MONEY JUST FOR ONE LITTLE SECTION OF THIS AREA.
ONE THING WE LEARNED, TOO IS IF YOU REDIRECT WATER, IT HITS YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY AND DESTROYS IT, YOU'RE ON THE HOOK LEGALLY AND LIABILITY FOR THAT.
SO THERE'S ALL SORTS OF LAW OF UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES.
I THINK YOU ALLUDED TO THAT. COUNCILMAN KRAMER.
YOU KNOW THAT THAT IS VERY SERIOUS. AND SOME SAY I'M TOO PASSIONATE.
WELL, YEAH, I AM PASSIONATE. I LIVE ON THE WATER.
I THE GOLF, CLAM BAY, VENETIAN BAY AND THE CANALS.
I LIVED THERE WHEN WE GOT BLASTED FROM IAN. WE DIDN'T GET HIT FROM THE GULF, FROM FROM THE GULF.
WE GOT HIT FROM CLAM BAY AND THE CANALS. THAT'S WHAT WIPED OUT SEAGATE.
SO YOU ALL CAN TELL ME WHAT YOU WHAT YOU WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT DOING.
BUT I LIVED THERE, AND I'VE SERVED ON THESE OTHER CAPACITIES, IN THESE OTHER CAPACITIES.
AND FAILING TO PLAN IS PLANNING TO FAIL ONE HOUR PLANNING FOR TEN HOURS OF WORK.
SO THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING THE PAB FOR THIS NEW REVISION OF THE MASTER PLAN.
AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THANK YOU. YES, COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN, I'D LIKE TO GO BACK TO YOUR REMARK.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR REMARKS. I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO I'D LIKE FOR YOU TO GO BACK TO YOUR REMARKS, HAVING TO DO WITH BARRIER REEFS OUT THERE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS PLACED THAT WAS BUILT MAYBE TEN YEARS AGO.
THAT'S 20, 25 MILES OUT. AND OTHER THAN THAT, I'M NOT AWARE OF ANY OTHERS.
COULD YOU ENLIGHTEN ME ON THAT? I DON'T BELIEVE THERE ARE OTHERS. NO, BUT THEY WERE DISCUSSED.
WELL, THERE IS. THERE WAS ONE THAT WAS DONE FOR SURE.
A FRIEND OF MINE WAS IN CHARGE OF THAT AT THAT TIME.
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THAT WAS LONG BEFORE THIS CURRENT EPA WAS IN PLAY.OKAY. AS FAR AS WE IN OUR INTERACTIONS DATING BACK TO WHAT, 2021, I BELIEVE? WELL, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT YOUR YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS NECESSARILY, OR TRYING TO REVERSE WHAT THE CORPS OF ENGINEERS WAS GOING TO DO.
I'M TALKING ABOUT A REEF THAT WAS BUILT 20, 20 MILES OUT, I THINK TEN, 12 YEARS AGO.
DOES IT? AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE? NO. YEAH.
NO. I THINK WHAT HE'S SAYING IS THAT THE ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS HAS SAID NOT TO ALLOW ANY FURTHER HARDENING. WHAT THEY WERE DISCUSSING WAS THAT THE EPA STEPPED IN AND SAID, YOU CAN'T GO THERE.
AND SO IT WASN'T THE ARMY, PER SE. IT WAS THEIR CONJUNCTIVE CONVERSATIONS WITH THE EPA WHERE THE EPA STEPPED IN AND SAID, YOU CAN'T REALLY DO THAT. JUST LIKE THE EPA TOLD THE ARMY THAT THERE'S ONLY TWO PLACES YOU CAN GO TAKE SAND FROM THE BOTTOM OF THE GULF THAT IS ACCEPTABLE TO BE USED OVER HERE INSTEAD OF TRUCKING IT IN. AND SO THEY WERE THERE WAS ACTUALLY TALK OF PUTTING A THREE WAY CONVEYOR TUNNEL TO THREE DIFFERENT PARTS TO NORTH NAPLES, CENTRAL NAPLES, SOUTH NAPLES. AND I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING THAT WOULD GO WRONG WITH THAT IN THE MIDST OF A HURRICANE.
BUT, BUT YOU HEAR ALL SORTS OF LAMEBRAIN IDEAS THAT.
SOME MAKE SENSE AND SOME THERE ARE ELEMENTS THAT CAN'T BE DRAWN.
BUT TO YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION ON THAT SPECIFIC WALL THAT I DON'T BELIEVE WOULD BE DOABLE TODAY.
WELL, I THINK. BUT YOU WERE. NOW YOU'RE REFERRING CONTEMPORANEOUSLY TO YOUR EXPERIENCE AS THE HEAD OF THE COASTAL PLAN THAT WAS BROUGHT FORWARD 2 OR 3 YEARS AGO? YES.
YEAH. AND THAT WAS AGAIN THE, THE CHARRETTES ALL THE, THE PRE PREFAB STUFF THAT WAS DONE.
IF YOU WEREN'T A PART OF THAT YOU MISSED OUT ON EVERYTHING.
BUT THOSE ALL LED IN THE ONE DIRECTION OF NO HARDNESS.
CORRECT AS IT WERE ON THE BEACH. BUT THEN IN RETROSPECT WITH ALL THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE COME IN SINCE THEN, NOW THERE SEEMS TO BE AN APPETITE TO VISIT SOME OF THE BEACH WALL STUFF.
SO IT'S A VERY EVOLVING AND MOVING TARGET, AND SO TO FIND THE RIGHT MIX IS GOING TO BE DIFFICULT, BUT I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE SURVEY THAT COMES WITH THE NEW THE REVISION OF THE MASTER PLAN.
I'M JUST DYING TO GET THE SURVEY RESULTS FROM WHAT THE PUBLIC REALLY WANTS TO DO.
AND FROM MY PERSONAL PERSPECTIVE, AS A MEMBER OF THE PAB, I'M GOING TO BE GOING AROUND THIS COMMUNITY ABOUT THOSE SURVEYS AND ENCOURAGING EVERYBODY FILL YOURS OUT. BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THE INTEGRITY OF EACH OF THE SURVEYS.
WE NEED TO HAVE INTEGRITY THAT ONLY ONE SURVEY PER RESIDENT PER HOME.
SO SPECIAL INTERESTS CAN'T GET IN AND JURY RIG THE WHOLE PROCESS THAT THAT SOMETIMES GETS DONE.
AND THIS WAS FRUSTRATING AS THE DICKENS, THEY WOULD COME BACK AND ADD TWO NEW SLIDES TO IT, JUST TWO NEW SLIDES EVERY MONTH. AND THEY'RE SPENDING ALL THIS MONEY, ALL THIS TIME FIDDLE FARTING AROUND. EXCUSE ME. YEAH. IT DRIVES A BUSINESS PERSON CRAZY.
IN FINLAND, THEY HAVE DIFFERENT COMPOSITES TO REFLECT HEAT WITHOUT PAINT.
I'M WELL OVER MY TIME, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR QUESTION.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT MR. DOCTOR IS SAYING IS, AND WE CAN SIMULTANEOUSLY WORK ON THESE THINGS, BUT YOU HAVE TO GO TO THAT FEDERAL AGENCY OR STATE AGENCY TO WORK WITH THEM. YOU KNOW, JUST IN MOVING FORWARD. YEAH.
BUILDING BRIDGES WITH YOUR FELLOW GOVERNMENTS ALONG THE WAY BECAUSE THIS IS A IT'S A REGIONAL PROBLEM UP AND DOWN THE COAST, BECAUSE IF YOU JUST LOOK AT THE MAP, YOU'LL SEE BARRIER BARRIER ISLANDS UP THROUGH LEE CHARLOTTE, SARASOTA, MANATEE. JUST JUST GO ON UP. YOU SEE THEM? THEY'RE THERE. AND HOW MUCH DID THEY DO WHEN THE HURRICANES CAME IN THEIR DIRECTION? THEY GOT BLASTED JUST AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU. ONE QUESTION FOR THE RECORD, BECAUSE I HEARD REFERENCES TO PAB. JUST TO CLARIFY, YOU'RE HERE AS AN INDIVIDUAL, NOT ON BEHALF OF THE PAB. THAT'S CORRECT. THANK YOU. YEAH, I ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF. THANK YOU SIR.
YOU BET. THANK YOU. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MARTIN HORNBECK.
GOOD MORNING. I'M A RESIDENT OF 1771. I WOULD LIKE TO.
AND ESPECIALLY THE DISCUSSION ABOUT SEAWALLS FOR ME IS SUPER CRITICAL.
AND FOR ME, I MAKE IT SOMETIMES VERY EASY FOR MYSELF AND NARROW THE QUESTION DOWN TO TWO POINTS.
WE HAVE MAXIMUM SEAWALL HEIGHT THAT FOR SURE.
IN LIGHT OF THE RISING SEAWALL LEVELS HAVE TO BE RAISED, THEN THAT WILL TAKE A LOT OF PEOPLE'S INPUT AND SO ON TO FIND THE RIGHT LEVEL, ETC. BUT THE MORE PRESSING QUESTION FOR ME IS WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WITH SEAWALLS THAT ARE NOT UP TO THE 4.8 C LEVEL THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE?
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IF I TAKE MY NEIGHBORHOOD, FOR EXAMPLE, THE WATER IS NOT COMING OVER MY SEAWALL TYPICALLY, BUT OVER MY NEIGHBORS SEAWALL, WHOSE PROBABLY 4 FOOT OR 3 FOOT WHATEVER IT IS, AND IT FLOODS THE STREET, AND WE CAN PUT WHATEVER PUMPS IN PLACE THAT WE WANT TO HAVE.WE WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET THE WATER FROM A COMPROMISED SEAWALL OUT.
SO I BELIEVE THE FIRST QUESTION WE HAVE TO ASK IS, HOW DO WE GET ALL SEAWALLS TO 48 AND MAKING SURE THAT THE WATER STAYS IN THE CANAL AS LONG AS POSSIBLE WHILE WE PURSUE THE 5.60 LEVEL? THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD APPRECIATE IF WE COULD SPEED AND WITH DECISIVENESS, COULD GET THESE THINGS BEHIND US, MAKE PROPOSALS, AND FIGURE OUT AN ORDINANCE THAT WILL ALLOW US TO CLOSE ALL THE SEAWALLS UP AND PROTECT US WITH THAT. I BELIEVE THAT'S CRITICAL FOR US. OTHERWISE ALL THE OTHER DISCUSSIONS WILL BE FOR ME.
MUTE. I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE YOU TODAY A LITTLE BIT FEEDBACK ABOUT OUR STREET FLOODING PROJECTS.
DOCTOR G WAS INSTRUMENTAL OF GETTING US A PUMP, AND I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE PUMP AT THE MOMENT THE PUMP IS WORKING WELL. I COULD NOT BELIEVE IT, I HONESTLY THOUGHT THAT WE NEEDED MORE THAN THAT ONE TO GET THE WATER IN FRONT OF OUR STREET OUT OF THE WAY.
WE DIDN'T HAVE A VERY WET SUMMER SO FAR, BUT WE HAD THE STREET NOT A SINGLE DAY IMPASSABLE, WHICH WE HAD BEFORE THE SUMMER SEASON. SO THE PUMP WORKS NOW.
FOR ME, THE PUMP IS A LITTLE OVERSIZE. I ADMIT THAT ONE WE HAVE VERY SIGNIFICANT PUMP RECEIVED, SO HALF THE SIZE IS PROBABLY ENOUGH TO I THINK ALSO WE HAVE TO PUSH THE FLOW BACK, PREVENT THE VALVES A LITTLE HARDER BECAUSE THEY DON'T WORK AND WE HAVE TO PLUG THE OUTFALL PIPES TO THE CANAL. BUT WITH THE PLUGGING OF THE OF THE OUTFALL PIPE, WE WERE ABLE TO STOP THE SALTWATER FROM FLOWING THROUGH THE OUTFALL PIPE ON OUR STREET.
SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE SWEETWATER FLOODING, NO SALTWATER FLOODING ANYMORE.
SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT? ABSOLUTELY. AND IF WE GET RIGHT NOW, MAYBE ELECTRONIC VALVES THAT ARE CLOSING DOWN WHEN THEY GET A WATER SIGNAL OR SO, THEN THIS IS THE WAY TO DO IT. I HAD ONE OF THEM IN MY HOUSE AT ONE POINT OF TIME AND IT WORKS.
WONDERFUL. THE SECOND ISSUE IS THE CORRUPT DRAINS ARE STILL SOMETHING THAT I RECOMMEND THE PILOT IN OUR AREA, AND MAYBE NOT FOR A LONG DISTANCE, MAYBE JUST FOR 100 YARDS OR SO, JUST TO TEST OUT WHAT'S GOING ON.
BECAUSE THE SWALES DON'T WORK IN LOW LYING AREAS.
WE HAVE EVERY CREDIT THAT YOU CAN IMAGINE SITTING IN OUR SWALES.
THEY ARE FULL OF WATER. WE HAD A STORM COMING AND I SAW I SAW THOUSANDS OF WHAT IS IT? TADPOLES SWIMMING UP UPHILL ON THE MIDDLE OF THE STREET.
I COULDN'T BELIEVE THAT OUT OF THE SWALE. LET ME SEE.
WHAT IS THERE? CURB DRAIN. I HAVE ALL MY POINTS BEING COVERED.
I'M HAPPY TO PARTICIPATE IN A LESSON LEARNED OR WITH THE CITY AFTER WE HAVE OUR PILOT, MAYBE IN NOVEMBER DECEMBER CONCLUDED AND FIGURE OUT HOW CAN WE ROLL THE FINDINGS OUT TO OTHER LOW LYING AREAS? BECAUSE I BELIEVE WE HAD GOOD FINDINGS, WE HAD GOOD RESULTS, AND NOW LET'S ROLL IT OUT, SCALE IT, AND MAKING SURE MAYBE A SMALLER PUMP DESIGN AND MAYBE PLUGGING ALL THE, THE, THE, THE VALVES, THE OUTFALL PIPES AND MAKING SURE THAT WE IMPROVED THE SITUATION FOR THE RESIDENTS.
UNTIL WE HAVE THE REAL RESTRUCTURING WITH BIGGER PIPES AND BIGGER PUMPS AND SO ON IN PLACE.
WITH THAT ONE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE SUPPORT OF EVERYBODY, ESPECIALLY DOCTOR G WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN RECORD TIME TO GET THINGS DONE AND I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND HIM ON THIS ONE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
AND YES, I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU, MR. HORNICK, FOR ALLOWING A CHUNK OF YOUR FRONT YARD TO BE USED FOR THAT BIG RED PIECE OF EQUIPMENT AND MR. YILMAZ, FOR DELIVERING A SOLUTION THAT MR. YOUNG HAD KIND OF PROMISED IN AN ONSHORE MEETING.
AND TO GET IT DONE IN WITHIN 90 DAYS IS UNPRECEDENTED FOR PRIVATE SECTOR, LET ALONE PUBLIC SECTOR.
YOU HAVE NO CHOICE BUT BEING THE BEST PRACTICE.
AND WE WILL PROBABLY SHAMELESSLY CALL UPON YOU AND DOCTOR G AS WE GO THROUGH OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS, BECAUSE I KNOW OF AT LEAST TWO THAT ARE THAT REALLY ARE DESPERATELY WANTING THIS SOLUTION.
SO THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING YOUR YARD AND YOUR NEIGHBORS AND YOUR AND YOUR NEIGHBOR TO BE USED AS A GUINEA PIG BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO WORK. AND IT WAS NIMBLE AND IT WAS BADLY NEEDED.
SO THANKS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I BELIEVE ALSO THAT IT'S ABOUT CIVIC ENGAGEMENT AND COMPLAINING.
GOT YOU NOWHERE UNTIL YOU FINALLY JUST SAID, WELL, I'M GOING TO FIND A SOLUTION AND YOU DID IT.
SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. WITH THAT COUNCIL, IT'S 1101.
WE'LL TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK AND COME BACK AT 1110.
ALL RIGHT. OKAY. WE'RE BACK FROM OUR SHORT BREAK AND CONTINUING ON WITH FIVE A AND WELL, MR. YOUNG, IF YOU'D LIKE TO KICK US OFF. YES, MAYOR.
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AS YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF INFORMATION IN YOUR PACKET, AND THE PRESENTATION HAS A LOT OF THESE PRESENT FROM HERE FORWARD IS IS KIND OF RECAPTURING WHERE WE ARE ON OUR INLAND, ON PILLAR THREE, WHAT WE'VE DONE AND THE THINGS THAT WE HAVE ON, ON THE IMMEDIATE HORIZON AND INTO THE FUTURE.FOR ANY AND ANY SECTION YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO.
EVERYONE WILL STILL BE HERE, BUT I THINK IT'LL BE IMPORTANT TO GET THROUGH ALL OF THIS.
SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU GARY. YOU'RE CORRECT.
YOU'VE SEEN A LOT OF THESE COMING SLIDES. THIS IS JUST A RECAP OF WHAT WE WENT THROUGH ON OUR BUDGET PRESENTATIONS AND HOW THIS TIES TO RESILIENCE. MOVING ON TO STORMWATER. AND I'LL TAKE CARE OF THE NEXT TWO STORMWATER SECTIONS AND UTILITY SECTIONS, AND THEN WE'LL HAND IT OFF TO TECHNOLOGY SERVICES BUILDING AND THEN PLANNING TO FINALIZE EVERYTHING.
SO ANYWAY THE THE PRIMARY FUNCTION OF THE STORMWATER SYSTEM IS TO MAINTAIN AND REDUCE FLOODING.
THE FUNDING SOURCE, OF COURSE, WILL BE THE STORMWATER FUND.
AND THOSE ARE THE PLANS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT NOW.
SOME KEY ELEMENTS OF SOME KEY PROJECTS THAT WE'VE GOT GOING ON RIGHT NOW IS THE BEACH OUTFALL PROJECT AND WATER QUALITY IMPROVEMENTS THE DESIGN AND IMPLEMENTATION OF THE MULTI BASIN AND BASIN FOR IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AND THEN ONGOING RESTORATION AND IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS SIMILAR TO THAT.
AND OTHER THAN THE MULTI BASIN PROGRAM AND MAYBE A COUPLE OTHERS ARE PROPERLY FUNDED, BUT I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE PROPERLY FUNDED.
MOVING ON INTO SPECIFICS, THIS IS JUST A RECAP OF WHAT WAS IN THE BUDGET.
TO OUR WATER, OUR LAKES, MANAGEMENT AND WATER QUALITY THAT WE GET OUT OF THE LAKES.
THERE'S 28 LAKES. WE'VE GOT A TEN YEAR RESTORATION PLAN THAT WE BASICALLY COMPLETED.
WE DO HAVE DESIGN UNDERWAY FOR IN OF THIS CURRENT YEAR FOR THREE ADDITIONAL LAKES.
WE WILL CONTINUE TO PRIORITIZE THOSE LAKES AS FAR AS DREDGING AND AND REMOVING, REMOVING MUCK OUT OF THOSE LAKES TO IMPROVE OUR WATER QUALITY AS A CRITICAL PART OF OUR WATER QUALITY ON OUR STORMWATER SYSTEMS. STORMWATER FUND. WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS DURING BUDGET, WE HAD ORIGINALLY COME IN WITH $3.5 MILLION AS A LEVEL OF EFFORT FOR DESIGN BASED ON DISCUSSIONS WITH CITY COUNCIL, THAT AMOUNT WAS INCREASED BY $3 MILLION SPECIFICALLY IN BASIN FOR RIGHT NOW, WE'VE GOT A GRANT FOR ABOUT 33% OF THE DESIGN COST.
SO WE WILL BE SOON BRINGING IN AN ENGINEERING FIRM ONLINE ON, ON ALONG WITH THIS TO DO THE DESIGN OF THE STORMWATER SYSTEM IN BASIN FOR. US WITH THE IMPLEMENTATION PROJECTS RELATED TO THAT. WE'VE GOT $8 MILLION FOR FOR DESIGN FOR FOR CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW.
AND I DID GOT A LITTLE AHEAD OF MYSELF IS THE $1.5 MILLION FOR DESIGN FOR THE BASIN FOR DESIGN DOWN IN AQUA SHORES PUMP STATIONS, WE TALKED ABOUT PUMP STATIONS, THE TWO PUMP STATIONS.
WE HAVE THREE PUMP STATIONS. WE HAVE CURRENTLY WITH THE ADDITION OF THE TWO PUMP STATIONS WITH THE OUTFALL PROJECT I BELIEVE WE'VE GOT $200,000 SET UP IN THE BUDGET RIGHT NOW TO DO AN EVALUATION SPECIFICALLY OF THE COVE PUMP STATION IS PROBABLY OUR OLDEST PUMP STATION, THE ONE THAT NEEDS THE MOST ATTENTION. SO TO DO A STUDY ON IT TO DETERMINE EXACTLY WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE THAT IS SCHEDULED FOR THIS COMING
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FISCAL YEAR. THAT JUST SHOWS THE LOCATION OF THE PUMP STATION.WHAT HAS TO BE DONE IF WE DON'T FIND ANYTHING IN THE STUDY, WE'VE GOT TO REPLACE THE BAR SCREEN AT THE COVE PUMP STATION, WHICH YOU SEE HERE. IT IS FAILED, AND IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
WE ARE ABLE TO MAINTAIN THAT BY MANUALLY REMOVING MATERIAL THAT'S CAUGHT ON THE BAR SCREENS.
BUT THIS IS AN AUTOMATED SYSTEM THAT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED.
OUR LAKE CONTROL SYSTEMS WE'VE GOT I BELIEVE 16 OF OUR 28 LAKES THAT HAVE SOME FORM OR FASHION OF A OF A CONTROL STRUCTURE FOR DISCHARGE. WHAT YOU SEE HERE IS THE LAKE MANOR OUTFALL SYSTEM THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED.
THAT IS NOT A PROPERLY FUNCTIONING OUTFALL SYSTEM.
AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE $150,000 TO LOOK AT THAT AND TO INSTALL CONTROL AND MONITORING EQUIPMENT SO THAT WE'VE GOT SOME AUTOMATION TO THEM. THIS IS THE DEVILS LAKE OUTFALL STRUCTURE, A MORE MODERN STRUCTURE COMPARED TO THE STRUCTURE THAT WE HAVE AT LAKE MANOR. BUT THE THING THERE IS TO LOOK AT AUTOMATION, TO BE ABLE TO MONITOR LEVEL CONTROL OR LEVEL OF THE LAKES, HAVE VIDEO AND CAMERAS THAT SHOW REAL TIME PICTURES OF WHAT'S GOING ON AS FAR AS THE OPERATION AND THE LAKE LEVELS, AND THEN PUT SOME SORT OF LEVEL OF AUTOMATION TO THAT FOR AN AUTOMATED AN AUTOMATED ADJUSTABLE. WE'RE UP WITH THAT. I'M MOVING OUT OF STORMWATER AND GOING INTO UTILITIES.
THE PRIMARY FUNCTION OF THE PLAN IS, IS IS INFRASTRUCTURE WATER AND SEWER SYSTEMS. AND TO MAINTAIN A LEVEL WITHIN THE TO MAINTAIN THE LEVELS OF SERVICE THAT ARE ESTABLISHED FOR OUR WATER AND SEWER SYSTEM AND PROTECT THOSE SYSTEMS FROM CATASTROPHIC, CATASTROPHIC FLOODING.
THIS PILLAR FALLS UNDER PILLAR THREE, SPECIFICALLY WITH INLAND SYSTEMS. AND THEY WILL BE FUNDED FROM THE WATER SEWER FUND.
THE KEY ELEMENTS THERE ARE THE WATER DISTRIBUTION MASTER PLAN THAT WAS COMPLETED A FEW YEARS AGO, THE INTEGRATED WATER WATER SUPPLY SYSTEM THAT BEGAN IN 2008 AND HAS BEEN UPDATED SINCE THEN AND PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL AND THEN A WELL FIELD SYSTEM EVALUATION. VALUATION. HERE'S A LIST OF THE RESILIENCE INCENTIVES THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED.
THE THE BLOWER SYSTEM AT THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
YOU KNOW, WE REPLACE THE OLD, ANTIQUATED OLD DESIGN SYSTEM WITH A NEW TYPE OF BLOWER THAT PRODUCES A LOT MORE EFFICIENT AIR FOR AERATION FOR THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
WE'VE REPLACED THE GENERATOR SYSTEMS AT BOTH PLANTS.
GEORGE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT THIS MORNING.
YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO HAVE A RESILIENT ALTERNATIVE POWER SUPPLY IF YOU'RE NOT FAMILIAR, OR SEEING THE PICTURES OF THE NEW GENERATORS AT BOTH THE WATER AND THE WASTEWATER PLANT. THEY'RE STATE OF THE ART SYSTEMS. THEY'RE BUILT WELL ABOVE THE FLOODPLAIN. THAT WILL KEEP THEM OUT OF DRY DURING ANY TYPE OF SURGE. THE PROBLEM WITH IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF LEVEL OF POWER ARE YOU GOING TO NEED DEPENDING ON THE THE DEVASTATION OF THE SURGE THAT WOULD OCCUR. BUT WE DO HAVE AUTOMATED GENERATOR SYSTEMS TO PROVIDE ALTERNATIVE POWER TO THE WATER AND THE WASTEWATER PLANT SEPTIC TO SEWER INTEGRATED WATER RESOURCES PLAN THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SHOWING WHAT OUR HOW WE'RE MEETING OUR LEVELS OF SERVICE FOR THE NEXT 30 YEARS AND I BELIEVE I'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT HERE.
THIS IS AN INTERESTING PHOTOGRAPH. WE'VE AFTER HURRICANE IAN.
WE. SINCE THAT WAS A STORM SURGE. A STORM THAT HAD SURGE INCLUDED.
YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED EARLIER OUR PROTOCOL WAS TO GO OUT AND DEPLOY EMERGENCY PUMPING EQUIPMENT, EMERGENCY GENERATOR EQUIPMENT TO ANTICIPATE POWER LOSS FOR OUR WASTEWATER COLLECTION SYSTEM.
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TO BE ABLE TO ACCEPT THE POWER TO RUN THE PUMPS.A COUPLE OF STATIONS I'LL HIGHLIGHT HERE IS ONE STATION 38 DOWN ON HALF MOON WALK.
INTERESTING THING THERE. THOSE RED STARS. DAVID, MY POINTER IS GONE.
THERE'S THERE'S A POINTER RIGHT THERE. THIS IS THE FLOOD.
THE FIRST STAR THAT. IF YOU CAN SEE MY POINTER HERE, THIS WAS THE ELEVATION DURING HURRICANE MILTON AFTER WE PUT THIS MADE THESE IMPROVEMENTS HERE. THE AND THERE'S THE ACTUAL WATER LINE THAT YOU CAN SEE RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S WHERE THE WATER LINE CAME IN. HURRICANE.
OH, EXCUSE ME, HELENE AS YOU CAN SEE, THE THE SYSTEM, THESE ARE THE AUTOMATED PUMPS OR THE BYPASS PUMPS IN THE BACK. WE ELEVATED ALL THAT EQUIPMENT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT STAYED OUT OF OUT OF THE SURGE.
HERE'S ANOTHER ONE. STATION PUMP STATION NUMBER ONE SOUTH OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THE PICTURE TO THE RIGHT SHOWS THAT THAT WAS BASICALLY AT GROUND LEVEL AFTER HURRICANE IAN.
WE RAISED THAT STATION UP. WE RAISED THE STATION OVER 2.5FT TO GET IT HIGHER OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN.
AND BETTER THAN THAT IS 7.5FT TO THE BOTTOM OF THE CONTROL PANEL.
SO THE CONTROL PANEL IS THE DEVICE, THE SILVER DEVICE YOU SEE IN THE MIDDLE RIGHT HERE.
ALONG WITH THAT, WE ADDED A BACKUP GENERATOR.
THIS THIS PUMP STATION SERVES RIVER PARK EAST.
IT ALSO SERVES THE UTILITIES COMPOUND ON RIVERSIDE CIRCLE.
SO WHEN THIS STATION WENT OUT BECAUSE IT WENT UNDERWATER, WE LOST SANITARY SEWER SERVICE FOR NOT ONLY RIVER PARK, BUT FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, UTILITIES DEPARTMENT, AND EQUIPMENT SERVICES.
AND WHEN THAT FAILED, WE HAD BACKUPS. I KNOW IN THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IN THE LOWER LEVEL OF THE OLDER SECTION OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, NOW, WITH RAISING THE ELEVATION OF THIS STATION AND KEEPING THE ELECTRONICS OUT OF THE WATER AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO HAVE A BACKUP GENERATOR ABOVE THE FLOODPLAIN. I DON'T THINK WE'LL HAVE THAT PROBLEM ANYMORE, UNLESS THE SURGE IS MUCH HIGHER THAN WHAT THESE THINGS ARE SET AT.
YOU MAY ASK, WELL, WHY IS THIS RAW WATER, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THESE WATER, RAW WATER WELLS IN AND UPDATING THEM? A PART OF A RESILIENT PLAN. WELL, GOING BACK TO MISS PENNIMAN'S COMMENT, EVERY TIME WE TALK ABOUT THIS SALTWATER INTRUSION ON THE COASTAL RIDGE.
WELL, FIELDS, WE FORTUNATELY ARE NOT SHOWING ANY SIGNS OF SALTWATER INTRUSION.
YOU KNOW, MOVING FROM THE GULF INTO THESE WELLS, CREATING THEM SALTY.
BUT WHAT IF SO? AND PART OF OUR CIP AND CAPITAL BUDGET, WE'RE REINVESTING INTO REHABBING AND REPLACING A LOT OF THE WELLS IN THE GOLDEN GATE WELL, FIELD JUST IN ANTICIPATION OF OF LOSING WELLS TO SALT WATER INTRUSION NEAR OUR COASTAL WELL FIELD. WITH THAT, I'LL MOVE DIRECTLY INTO THE STREETS.
THIS IS A COMPLETE JUST A REHAB, A REHASH OF WHAT WE DISCUSSED IN THE BUDGET.
THE PILLARS HERE. KIND OF CROSS BETWEEN PILLAR TWO AND PILLAR THREE.
PILLAR TWO DEALS WITH BEACH ENDS AND PATHWAYS.
BUT THEN THERE'S ALSO THE INLAND PROTECTION PRIMARILY COVERED BY THE STREETS FUND.
RIGHT NOW WE'VE COMPLETED THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PLAN.
I BELIEVE WE'VE COME BACK TO YOU AND GOT DIRECTION ON HOW TO PROCEED WITH THAT.
WE'RE CONVERTING SEVERAL INTERSECTIONS FROM SPAN WIRES TO MAST ARMS. THAT IN ITSELF IS A DEFINITE PART OF THE RESILIENCE.
RESILIENCE PLAN TO GET RID OF THOSE SPAN WIRES WHICH WE'LL SEE SOME PICTURES OF.
THEY'RE ACTUALLY BEGINNING TO COLLAPSE. AND THERE'S CONCERN THAT THEY'RE GOING TO FALL IN.
THAT'S THE REASON WE WANT TO REPLACE THOSE MAST ARMS. ANOTHER PART WAS THAT WE ELEVATED 19 OF THE CONTROL SYSTEMS AT THE SIGNALIZED INTERSECTIONS TO RAISE THEM HIGHER
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UP OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN. AND ANOTHER INGENIOUS THING THAT OUR STREETS AND STORM STREET STAFF DID PRIOR TO THE STORM WAS REMOVED THE POWER AND REMOVED SOME OF THE CRITICAL UNITS INSIDE THOSE CONTROL PANELS SO THEY WOULDN'T BE DAMAGED.SO IF WATER DID COME UP INTO THEM THAT WE COULD REPLACE PULL THOSE DEVICES, SHUT THE LIGHTING DOWN FOR THE INTERSECTION, THEY MAY HAVE EVEN GONE INTO FLASH. BUT THEN AFTER THE STORM SURGE REDUCED, WE CAN GO REPLACE THOSE UNITS AND GET THE SYSTEM UP AND OPERATING MUCH QUICKER. RESURFACING. DURING THE BUDGET MEETING, CITY COUNCIL AGREED, AND THE CITY MANAGER AND CFO AGREED TO INCREASE OUR BUDGET SPENDING FROM 1 MILLION TO $1.5 MILLION TO PAVE MORE STREETS.
AND DOWN AT THE BOTTOM, THE CHANGE OF THAT IS WE'VE GOT EIGHT POINT, EXCUSE ME, 9.85 CORRIDOR MILES THAT WE CAN SPEND THE $1.24 MILLION FOR NEXT YEAR. AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE'VE MOVED SOME OF THE STREETS UP FROM NEXT YEAR'S TO THIS YEAR'S PLAN TO SPEND THE FULL $1.5 MILLION ON ON PAVING. HERE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE THE SPAN WIRES.
THIS IS THE INTERSECTION OF 10TH AVENUE SOUTH AND NINTH STREET.
WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO YOU VERY SOON WITH THE THE BIDS TO GET THIS WORK UNDERWAY.
THIS IS THE MOORING LINE DRIVE AND CREIGHTON ROAD.
THIS IS THE NEXT INTERSECTION THAT WON'T HAVE NECESSARILY MAST ARMS INSTALLED.
WE'RE GOING BACK FOR A REDESIGN AND COMPLETE THE DESIGN FOR ROUNDABOUTS AT THIS LOCATION.
DID I COVER EVERYTHING THERE? YES. THAT CONCLUDES MY PORTION OF UTILITIES AND STORMWATER.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF THAT, WE CAN HAVE THEM NOW.
OR WE CAN WAIT UNTIL WE'VE COMPLETED THIS. THE NEXT DEPARTMENT WILL BE CHAD WITH FACILITIES TO TALK ABOUT HARDENING OF THEIR BUILDINGS, WHATEVER THE PLEASURE IS OF COUNCIL, I DON'T I THINK YOU'VE.
SO THANK YOU. PETRANOFF. YES, THIS DOES NOT RELATE TO CHAD'S STUFF, SO I JUST WANTED TO FOCUS MORE ON ON SOME OF THE MATERIALS THAT I, THAT I READ IN HERE BECAUSE IT ONLY SHOWED OH, NOT NOT WITH CHAD.
HE'S JUST COMING ON DECK. IT PROBABLY IS FOR DOCTOR YILMAZ AS WELL.
WHEN HOW MANY BACKFLOW VALVES WERE INSTALLED THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THE LIST IN A WHILE, BUT IT'S WELL OVER 150.
OKAY. AND THE AND THERE WAS A GRANT DONE FOR AND THAT WAS HOW MANY.
OKAY. SO THERE SO THERE'S ABOUT 150 INSTALLED RIGHT NOW.
THE REPORT SAID LIKE 40 OR SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, IT SHOWED IN HERE 40.
AND THEN SECONDLY, THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS THE ENGINEER THAT PRODUCED THE REPORT STATED THAT KIMLEY-HORN THE MASTER PLAN, THE MULTI BASIN SAID THAT THIS WAS THE THE IMPACT OF THE IMPEDIMENT ON FLOW THAT NATURALLY OCCURS WITH THIS TYPE OF BACKFLOW WAS NOT INCORPORATED IN THE, IN THE STUDY.
DID THEY DO ANY ANALYSIS AT ALL TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A ROUNDING ERROR AND IT WILL NOT AFFECT, YOU KNOW, THESE BACKFLOW VALVES WON'T AFFECT THE OUTPUT OF THE REPORT.
AND MY CONCERN IS THAT WE PUT A BUNCH OF PRIORITIES BASED ON THE ACCURACY OF THIS REPORT.
AND IT'S, IT'S EXCLUDING A AN IMPORTANT ELEMENT THAT IS THAT WE'RE INSTALLING MORE AND MORE OF.
OKAY, I THINK I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. THERE IS I WON'T EVEN CALL IT A TRADE OFF, BUT DURING HIGH TIDE, IT WILL NOT ALLOW WATER FROM THE STREETS INTO INTO THE STORMWATER, INTO THE RECEIVING WATER.
SO IF YOU'RE ABLE TO KEEP THE SURFACE WATER OUT BECAUSE PRIOR TO THAT YOU HAD BOTH OF THEM, THE SURFACE WATER COMING IN AND THE RAIN FALL ON TOP OF IT.
IF YOU CAN LIMIT THE STORMWATER OR THE SURFACE WATER BACKING UP INTO THE STORMWATER SYSTEM,
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THEN THE STORMWATER SYSTEM ONLY HAS TO ACCOUNT FOR THE WATER ON THE STREETS, WHICH WILL RELIEVE ITSELF AS THE TIDE REDUCES.SO AS FAR AS LONG TERM REDUCED EFFICIENCY OF THE GRAVITY STORMWATER SYSTEM. THAT'LL BE MADE UP BY THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT WON'T BE BACKED UP INTO THE SYSTEM.
STOP OR SLOW DOWN THE WATER, LEAVING THE FLOODED AREA BACK INTO THE BAY.
CORRECT. IT TAKES MORE TIME TO GET OUT BECAUSE THERE'S AN IMPEDIMENT OF BETWEEN 30 AND 50%, DEPENDING ON DEPENDING ON THE LEVEL OF THE TIDE.
OKAY, SO BUT SO IT'S SLOW TO GO OUT THOSE IF I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY THAT DOESN'T MATTER.
IT'S IRRELEVANT BECAUSE THE THERE'S LESS COMING IN FROM THE TIDE.
YOU DON'T YOU DON'T HAVE THE TIDE BACKING UP IN THE PIPE OVERFLOWING OUT OF THE INLETS.
IT'S GOING TO TAKE LONGER BECAUSE OF THE VALVES TO TO HAVE THAT WATER FLOW OUT INTO THE BAY.
IS THAT IS THAT ENOUGH TO CHANGE THE REPORT THAT WE RECEIVED THAT SHOWS THE AREAS THAT ARE MOST IMPACTED BY FLOODING? I DON'T THINK SO, BECAUSE THERE AS WE GO THROUGH THE WITH THE MULTI BASIN CONSTRUCTION, THE ENTIRE SYSTEM THAT WE'RE WORKING ON AT THAT TIME WILL BE EVALUATED TO DETERMINE IF THE MULTI BASIN OPTIONS INCLUDED ARE EXACTLY WHAT'S GOING TO BE DESIGNED. SO WE ANTICIPATE THAT LIKE FOR RIVER PARK EAST THERE ARE SIX EIGHT OUTFALL PIPES. WE ALREADY KNOW THAT BASED ON THE HIGH LEVEL EVALUATION FROM THE MULTI BASIN ASSESSMENT THAT THOSE OUTFALL PIPES WILL BE REPLACED WITH LARGER PIPES. NOW WHEN WE ACTUALLY GET INTO THE DESIGN OF THAT AREA THERE, THERE MAY BE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE EVALUATED AND DETERMINED TO WELL WE NEED TO ADD MORE PIPE INSTEAD OF JUST REPLACE THE OUTFALL PIPES.
AT THAT TIME THE. THE DESIGN ENGINEER WILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT THERE ARE OUTFALL.
BACKFLOW DEVICES IN THE PIPES, AND IS IT RECOMMENDED TO INSTALL THEM ON THE BIGGER PIPES? OKAY. OKAY. I THINK I'VE GOT THAT. THE OTHER IS THE WILL THERE, IS THERE GOING TO BE.
THIS WAS MENTIONED ABOUT A WHITE PAPER, I THINK, BY YOU OR DOCTOR YILMAZ ON OTHER ALTERNATIVES TO THESE VALVES THAT MIGHT BE PUT ON TOP OF THE PIPE INSTEAD OF INSIDE OF THE PIPE, SO IT WOULD NOT CREATE THE IMPEDIMENTS THAT THAT ARE THERE TODAY.
ARE WE ARE WE GOING TO DO ANY SWAP OUTS OR DOES THAT, OR ARE WE JUST GOING TO BE WIDENING THE PIPE TO MAKE THIS NEUTRAL? WELL, THERE THERE ARE OTHER FLAPPER TYPE VALVES OUT ON THE MARKET THAT ARE BETTER THAN THE OLD FLAPPER TYPE VALVES.
THE PROBLEM IS THEY REQUIRE A LOT OF MAINTENANCE FOR THEM TO EVEN ACTIVATE.
SO THERE ARE OTHER FLAPPER TYPE VALVES ON THE MARKET THAT CAN BE INSTALLED, BUT THERE'S AN EVALUATION TO DETERMINE WHICH WORKS BEST THE IN-LINE VALVE OR FLAPPER VALVE. SO AS FAR AS A WHITE PAPER, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH A WHITE PAPER COMING OUT.
BUT THERE ARE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES TO INSTALL DIFFERENT TYPE OF BACKFLOW DEVICES.
THAT'S CORRECT. PIPE. OKAY. AND THEN IN TERMS OF SWAN LAKE SPECIFICALLY IT ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, REFERENCES IN THIS REPORT, AGAIN, IMPROVEMENTS TO SWAN LAKE, WHICH I THINK RESIDENTS DON'T REALLY SEE THAT AS IMPROVEMENTS.
BUT WHAT THE IMPROVEMENT IS THAT THE INPUT INTO SWAN LAKE IS GOING TO INCREASE, AND THERE WOULD BE MORE VOLUME TAKEN OVER TO SWAN LAKE IN AN ALREADY FLOODED AREA.
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SO WHAT ARE YOUR THOUGHTS ABOUT MITIGATING THAT? AND THEN SECONDLY, DO WE HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE THAT IS GOING TO DO THE INTERIM FIX LIKE WE SAW ON ON 17TH STREET FOR AS A STOPGAP UNTIL WE CAN GET A SOLUTION FOR THE FOR THE PUMPS.OKAY. AS FAR AS THE THE STORMWATER BASIN THAT GOES TO TO SWAN LAKE, THERE'S A PORTION OF THAT THAT COMES FROM COLLIER COUNTY. I'VE HAD OUR MULTI I'VE HAD KIMLEY-HORN LOOK AT THAT TO DETERMINE THE SIZE OF WHAT'S IN THE COUNTY THAT'S COMING FROM THE COUNTY. WE NEED TO WORK WITH THE COUNTY AND GET THAT OFF OF OUR SYSTEM AND GET IT ONTO THEIR SYSTEM.
THERE ARE SEVERAL LAKES IN THE GRANADA LAKE AREA THAT THAT WATER CAN BE REDIRECTED AND TAKEN OFF OF OUR SYSTEM AS AS FAR AS TO THAT POINT, THOUGH, ON, YOU KNOW, ON THIS IN THIS ANALYSIS, IT SHOWED THAT THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE AN INCREASE IN THE PIPE SIZES TO ACCOMMODATE MORE COMING INTO SWAN LAKE? YES. OKAY. SO WHERE IS THAT COMING FROM THEN? IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE NEGOTIATING WITH THE COUNTY TO SHUTTLE THAT OFF.
LET ME. THAT'S THE COUNTY'S ONE PART OF IT. WHEN YOU INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE PIPES OF THE SYSTEMS WITHIN THE CITY, YOU'RE MOVING YOUR LEVEL OF SERVICE AND YOUR DESIGN CRITERIA FROM A FIVE YEAR EVENT TO A 25 YEAR EVENT.
IN THIS CASE, THE END POINT IS SWAN LAKE. IF THERE'S MODIFICATIONS THAT WE HAVE TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT THE WATER LEVEL IN SWAN LAKE DOESN'T RISE TO AN INAPPROPRIATE LEVEL, THEN THOSE DESIGNS WILL HAVE TO BE INCLUDED AS FAR AS.
AND IT MAY INCLUDE A PUMP STATION THAT ACTUALLY PUMPS WATER OUT OF SWAN LAKE.
IF THERE'S MORE WATER COMING IN. WHEN WE'RE MEETING THE 25 YEAR DESIGN VERSUS THE CURRENT FIVE YEAR DESIGN, THE FIVE YEAR, ONE DAY DESIGN. SO THAT'S ALL PART OF THE DESIGN OF THE SYSTEM.
SO WE'RE NOT TO THAT POINT YET. OKAY. NOW I GUESS THIS IS A QUESTION FOR DOCTOR YILMAZ.
I'LL WAIT TILL YOU GET UP HERE. PLEASE GO RIGHT THERE.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COMING UP. WHAT IS THE PLAN FOR AN INTERIM FIX AND DOING A SIMILAR SOLUTION TO 17TH? AND APPLYING IT TO SWAN LAKE. IS THAT STILL IN THE HOPPER? BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE IT IN THE MATERIALS HERE.
YES, MA'AM. IT'S A WORKING DYNAMIC DRAFT WE IDENTIFIED SO FAR FOR THE SIX AREAS.
SIX AREAS FOR THE SIX AREAS. AND OUR CITY ENGINEER LOOKING AT ELEVATIONS, LOOKING AT ALL THE REPORTS LAST 4 TO 6 YEARS, INCLUDING KIMLEY-HORN ON AND IN COMBINATION, WE'RE IDENTIFYING WHERE WE HAVE TO HAVE EMERGENCY RESPONSE FOR ANY EMERGING STORM AND THREAT COMING TO OUR CITY.
AND SO WE'RE READY FOR ABOUT 4 TO 6 SITES FOR US TO MOBILIZE OUR EMERGENCY RESPONSE CONTRACTOR.
AND OUR EMERGENCY RESPONSE CONTRACTOR KNOWS THE SIZES OF THE PUMPS AND PIPES AND AND ALL THE NECESSARY POWER SYSTEMS AND TELEMETRY AND SCADA THAT INCLUDES BYPASSING OUR CURRENT THREE PUMP STATIONS IF THEY MALFUNCTION AND OR THEY ARE OUT OF POWER. SO THE ANSWER IS YES. AND WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON ALSO RIVER PARK EAST.
WE IDENTIFIED 1 TO 3 SITES THERE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE GOT FROM OUR CITY MANAGER AS A GENERAL GUIDANCE THAT WHILE WE'RE WORKING ON INTERMEDIATE AND LONG TERM SOLUTIONS, WE NEED TO BE NIMBLE AND BE ABLE TO RESPOND LIKE WE DO IN UTILITIES LIKE WASTEWATER OPERATIONS.
WE HAVE STANDBY GENERATORS, WE HAVE STANDBY PUMPS, AND WE NEED TO MOVE THEM 72 HOURS IN ADVANCE IN STAGING AREAS AND GET READY FOR RELIABILITY ENGINEERING. WE MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE BUILT INTO THE SYSTEM AND THAT'S A PARALLEL TRACK.
KIMLEY-HORN IS A GENERAL FIRST APPROXIMATION, IMPLEMENTATION PLAN AND DESIGN.
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SO ONCE WE HAVE PRIORITIES, ONCE WE GET INTO SOLICITATION PROCESS AREA BY AREA, WE WILL HAVE A SPECIFIC DESIGN FOR A SPECIFIC DESIGN CRITERIA, INCLUDING EVERYTHING ON TABLE IN PLAY, INCLUDING BACKFLOW PREVENTION DEVICES, PUMPS, SCADA PIPES WILL BE FINE TUNED.SO WHAT KIMLEY-HORN IS SAYING THIS IS SOMETHING THAT 80 PLUS PERCENT, I'M SORRY, 80% SAY 100 PLUS -10% ACCURACY. WHEN YOU GET INTO DESIGN OF ENGINEERING WITH RELIABILITY ENGINEERING, THEN YOUR DESIGN CRITERIA BECOMES MORE PRECISE VERSUS ACCURATE.
PRECISION ENGINEERING DRIVES US TO RELIABILITY ENGINEERING.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU WILL SEE SITE SPECIFIC CASE BY CASE BASIS BY BASIN ENGINEERING DESIGN.
COMING BACK TO STAFF AT 30%, 60%, 90%. AND THIS COUNCIL WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE THOSE DEVIATIONS AND OR ENHANCEMENTS AND THE REFINEMENTS, I HOPE. I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
YOU DID. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LET'S SEE.
I HAVE TWO MORE QUESTIONS THAT ARE RELATED NOT TO NOT TO THIS, BUT TO SOMETHING ELSE IN UTILITIES.
ONE IS YOU KNOW, WE IN THE UTILITIES DEPARTMENT, WE SIGN OFF ON COUNTY.
AND WE SAY, NO, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE PROVIDE. WE PROVIDE SERVICES AVAILABLE.
SO WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN TO A RECIPIENT OF THAT LETTER THAT THEY CAN PROCEED ON WITH THEIR DESIGN.
AND HOPEFULLY THE COUNTY WILL SHARE THAT WHICH THEY ARE? SHARE IT WITH US TO DETERMINE WHAT THE DEMANDS WILL BE THAT ARE PROVIDED BY THEIR DESIGN ENGINEER.
SO THE SO THE LETTER THAT YOU ARE GIVING JUST SAYS THAT IT'S AVAILABLE.
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN THAT THE PIPES ARE THERE.
YEAH. THE PIPES THE PIPES ARE THERE. AND THEN AT A LATER DATE, IT GOES THROUGH A VETTING PROCESS TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WE ARE ABLE TO HANDLE IT OR, OR STRESSES OUR, OUR SYSTEMS OR WE POSSIBLY SHOULD LOOK AT CHARGING THEM AN IMPACT FEE FOR THAT ADDITIONAL AN ADDITIONAL PUMP OR ADDITIONAL ADDITIONAL WELL.
IS THAT CORRECT? WE CHARGE IMPACT FEES BASED ON THE METER SIZE, AND THAT IS SPECIFIC FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS FOR THE ENTIRE UTILITY. IT'S JUST NOT THEM PAYING AN IMPACT FEE FOR US TO DO AN IMPROVEMENT AT THEIR LOCATION.
NOW, WHAT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO WITH A FEW OF THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS, SPECIFICALLY IN THE COUNTY IS WE LOOK AT IT AND SAY, OKAY, THERE'S ONLY A 12 INCH WATER MAIN THAT'S SUPPLYING YOU SERVICE.
AND WE HAVE NEGOTIATED THOSE TYPE IMPROVEMENTS IN THE PAST.
OKAY. AND SO ARE YOU GIVEN AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR OR PERIODICALLY SORT OF THE GROWTH PLAN OVER OUR BORDER SO THAT YOU CAN GAUGE, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF BIG INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS LIKE NEW WELLS.
YOU MAY NEED TO MAY NEED TO INVEST IN THAT WAS COVERED IN OUR INTEGRATED WATER SUPPLY PLAN WHEN WE CAME BACK TO YOU, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN 22, 23. THAT WAS FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT WAS PUT TOGETHER IN 2008.
WE UPDATED THAT TO DETERMINE HOW WE'RE MEETING OUR LEVELS OF SERVICE AND WHAT OUR WATER DEMANDS ARE GOING TO BE BASED ON POPULATION AND GROWTH, INCLUDING DEVELOPMENT. SO DO YOU GET SPECIFICS ON WITHIN OUR WATER SUPPLY? WHAT IS THE ESTIMATION THAT OF COLLIER COUNTY'S GROWTH AND HOW THAT SPECIFICALLY IMPACTS OUR WATER? OR DO YOU JUST GET GENERAL IT'S GOING TO COLLIER COUNTY IS GOING TO GROW 6%.
SO WE DIDN'T SEE A BIG INCREASE IN WATER DEMANDS AND POPULATION WITHIN OUR SERVICE AREA.
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NOW THAT UPDATE WAS DONE IN 2002. I BELIEVE, YOU KNOW, WE AGREED TO CITY COUNCIL TO COME BACK EVERY FIVE YEARS AND UPDATE THAT INTEGRATED WATER SUPPLY PLAN TO LOOK AT OTHER LEVELS OF SERVICE.THE GROWTH RATES IN COLLIER COUNTY, AND REALLY THE POPULATION GROWTH OF THAT SPECIFIC AREA, THAT IS OUR WATER SUPPLY, AND NOT JUST GENERALLY COLLIER COUNTY OF OUR WATER SERVICE AREA.
OKAY. OKAY. AND THEN ON UTILITIES ON JUST, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT FPL UNDER YOUR, YOUR CONTRACT, I BELIEVE FOR OTHER UTILITIES, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE FPL.
IS THAT IS THAT CORRECT? WE HAVE CONTACTS WITH FPL BECAUSE ONE OF THE YOU KNOW, I MET WITH A RESIDENT GROUP THAT AND I AND, YOU KNOW, IT WAS NOWHERE IN THIS DECK, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT WHERE IT'S AN IMPOSSIBLE DILEMMA THAT PEOPLE ARE IN WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE LINES GOING ACROSS THAT DELIVER POWER TO A NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND THE RESIDENTS ARE THAT ARE IN FRONT OF THAT LINE, REFUSE TO TRIM THEIR, THEIR PALMS. AND SO THEY REGULARLY LOSE POWER, ESPECIALLY DURING A HURRICANE.
BUT THEY LOSE IT DURING JUST A WIND EVENT BECAUSE A PALM FROND WILL DROP ON IT.
AND THE THE FPL, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY SAYS, WELL, CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
WE'VE GOT TO GET PERMISSION TO TRIM ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
THE PRIVATE OWNERS ARE SAYING, YOU KNOW NO, I LIKE THIS PALM TREE JUST WHERE IT IS.
IT SEEMS THAT THERE ARE PROBABLY OBLIGATIONS, I WOULD THINK, ON A MONOPOLY LIKE FPL TO DELIVER CONSISTENT POWER TO TO RECIPIENTS. YOU KNOW, SAY THEY'RE ON, YOU KNOW, A NEED, A MACHINE, AN OXYGEN MACHINE TO FUNCTION.
I MEAN, I WOULD THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE TO DO THAT.
WOULD YOU BE THE DEPARTMENT TO GET IN THE, YOU KNOW, TO INTERCEDE ON, ON BEHALF OF THAT GROUP OF RESIDENTS? I WOULD HOPE NOT. I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE OTHER UTILITIES TRYING TO OPERATE OUR UTILITIES.
IF FPL HAS A PROBLEM WITH MAINTAINING SERVICE AND THEY NEED TO WORK WITH THOSE RESIDENTS.
YOU KNOW, IF I'LL JUST STOP THERE. OKAY. BUT WOULD YOU BE THE PERSON TO PERHAPS WORK BETWEEN THAT GROUP? BECAUSE FPNL IS SAYING NOT MY JOB, IT'S ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.
BECAUSE. BECAUSE IT IS A HURRICANE RESILIENCY ISSUE.
THEY BELIEVE THEY LOST POWER NINE DAYS DURING THE LAST HURRICANE.
NOW IT IT IS ALSO REGULAR POWER FAILURES. IF IF THE POWER POLES ARE WITHIN AN EASEMENT YOU KNOW, THEY MAY OWN THE PROPERTY, BUT THAT UTILITY HAS A RIGHT TO BE THERE.
AND IF THEY'RE NOT ALLOWING FPL TO GET WITHIN THAT EASEMENT TO TRIM THE TREES, OR IF THE RESIDENTS SAY, I DON'T WANT MY TREES TRIMMED, THEN YEAH, THE POWER FAILURES ARE GOING TO CONTINUE.
WELL, I THINK THE ISSUE IS THEY ARE BUDGETED TO TRIM ONCE A YEAR, BUT THE PALM FRONDS GROW BACK MORE QUICKLY SO THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T WANT TO SPEND THE MONEY TO COUNCIL MEMBER YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.
YES, BUT I'M SORRY I MISUNDERSTOOD. I THOUGHT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE HOMEOWNER DOING THAT.
SO IT'S SO MEANWHILE, THE RESIDENTS ARE CONTINUING TO BE OUT OF POWER.
AND SO, COUNCIL MEMBER, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.
AND MAYBE WE TAKE THIS, THIS OFFLINE BECAUSE THEY'RE IN A DILEMMA WHERE FPL SAYS NOT MY JOB.
WE TRIM ONCE A YEAR. AND WE CAN'T COMPEL THE RESIDENTS TO REMOVE THOSE TREES.
AND WE'VE GOT RESIDENTS THAT ARE AT RISK THAT LOSE POWER ON A REGULAR BASIS.
AND, AND IT'S ESPECIALLY BAD WHEN THERE'S A HURRICANE.
SO IF YOU COULD HELP US, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. IS THAT THE ONES WITH CHARLOTTE MILLER BEING INVOLVED IN THE MEETINGS, AND CHARLOTTE MILLER SAYING THAT SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE MONEY TO TRIM TREES? YES. WELL SHE WASN'T. SHE HAS COVID. TWO OF HER, HER WORKERS CAME DOWN AND AND DISCUSSED THIS WITH THE GROUP OF RESIDENTS.
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BUT IT'S IT'S AN IMPOSSIBLE SITUATION FOR THESE RESIDENTS BECAUSE IT IS A MONOPOLY AND THEY DO NOT HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE TO POWER OR RELIABLE POWER.I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH. YEAH, THE ONLY THING IT'S A VERY SLIPPERY SLOPE, AS BOB SAID.
I MEAN, HE SAID IT IN A MORE TACTFUL WAY, I THINK.
BUT I'LL REMIND YOU, WE SPENT A LITTLE OVER 1.8 MILLION TO TRIM OUR OWN TREES.
AND IF WE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A REASON PROBABLY FPL DOES IT NOT SAYING IT'S THE RIGHT REASON, BUT THEY'RE DOING IT ONCE A YEAR. THEY HAVE A BUDGETED AMOUNT.
SO MY POINT IS WE WOULD HAVE NO MORE ACCESS. THEY AT LEAST HAVE AN EASEMENT ACCESS, RIGHT, TO GET TO IT. WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THAT EASEMENT.
RIGHT. AND WE WOULD BE INCURRING THAT EXPENSE.
I JUST I WOULD DO IT WITH CAUTION IS THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY.
SO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR. AND THEN WE CAN.
CAN YOU CONFIRM HOW OUR OUR GENERATORS ARE FUELED? IS IT DIESEL, GASOLINE, ELECTRICITY OR NATURAL GAS? DIESEL OR GASOLINE? DIESEL. LARGER ONES. LARGER ONES ARE ON DIESEL POWERED AND SOME SMALLER ONES.
WE HAVE GASOLINE. OKAY. THE ONLY CONCERN I HAVE WITH THAT, I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE WEEDS ON IT, BUT WHEN STORMS HIT, OUR PORTS ARE SHUT DOWN BECAUSE I'M IN THE GASOLINE BUSINESS AS WELL.
SO MY ASK IS, JUST MAKE SURE WE HAVE ENOUGH FUEL THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING THESE GENERATORS SET IDLE BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET FUEL, RIGHT? YES, SIR. RAW WATER PRODUCTION WELLS IN OUR MATERIALS SAYS WE HAVE ABOUT 23 OF THESE RAW WATER WELLS OVER IN GOLDEN GATE. AND THEN WE HAVE THEM IN ANOTHER AREA.
28 WHAT IS IT, 28 ALONG COASTAL, ALONG COASTAL RIDGE, ALONG.
YEAH. AND THEY'RE PULLING PRIMARILY FROM THE LOWER TAMIAMI AQUIFER, PERHAPS.
WHAT? I KNOW THAT IN A GIVEN. WELL, WE CAN TEST FOR SALTWATER, RIGHT? CORRECT. BUT CAN WE SEE IT COMING? IN OTHER WORDS, DO WE HAVE MONITORING WELLS IN A RADIUS AND AT DIFFERENT FORMATIONS, OR ONLY AT THE LOWER TAMIAMI IN THE LOWER TAMIAMI, BECAUSE THERE'S A CONFINING LAYER AT THE BOTTOM OF THE TAMIAMI, AND THERE'S NO CONCERN ABOUT IT COMING UP FROM BELOW.
HOWEVER, THAT THAT WE'VE INSTALLED THREE MONITORING WELLS ON THE WEST SIDE OF US, 41, IN THREE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS THAT COVER THAT COASTAL RIDGE OIL FIELD. AND WE'RE ABLE TO MONITOR IF THE SALTWATER STARTS INCREASING IN THOSE MONITORING WELLS.
THAT MEANS WE CAN EXTRAPOLATE ACROSS TO WHERE THE WELLS ARE ON THE EAST SIDE OF OF OF US 41 AND DETERMINE IF, IF THAT SALTWATER LENS IS MOVING UPWARDS. OKAY.
OKAY. AND THOSE WELLS ARE ARE RECOGNIZED BY THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT.
AND THEY DO MONITORING ON THOSE WELLS ALSO. SO WE'VE WE'VE GOT OUR WELLS AND WE'VE GOT MONITORING WELLS TO THE EAST, WHICH IS TO THE WEST. TO THE WEST, MONITORING WELLS ARE TO THE WEST, CORRECT.
BETWEEN THE GULF AND THE WELL, THE PRODUCTION WELL.
SO IF THE GULF TO THE WEST, WELLS HERE, THE MONITORING WELLS ARE IN BETWEEN.
NO, SIR, WE'VE DONE THAT. THE WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT HAD US TO DO THAT OUT IN THE COASTAL, THE GOLDEN GATE OIL FIELD SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND IT PROVED TO BE NON PRODUCTIVE.
SO THEY ELIMINATED THOSE FROM FROM OUR PERMITS.
SOUNDS GOOD. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU.
AND WRAPPING IT UP. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. TEAM FACILITIES. YES. GOOD AFTERNOON.
WELL, GOOD MORNING FOR ANOTHER MINUTE. CHAD MERRITT, COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR.
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OUR PORTION OF THIS IS REALLY FOCUSING ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE OF OUR FACILITIES, WHICH INCLUDES THE CITY BUILDINGS AND TRYING TO FIGURE OUT SOME FLOOD MITIGATION.SOME OF THE WELL, THE PILLARS FOR THIS IS OUR INLAND PROTECTION.
IN THIS CASE AND SOME EXAMPLES, YOU'VE GOT POLICE DEPARTMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT, WHICH WE WORK WITH EACH ONE OF THOSE DEPARTMENTS IN THOSE TYPES OF PROJECTS REGARDING RESILIENCY KEY ELEMENTS IS TO ENSURE FACILITIES ARE ADEQUATE FOR CITY BUSINESS.
WE WANT TO DO THAT THROUGH HARDENING, WHICH HELPS DURING STORM.
WE ALSO WANT TO WE TRY TO DETERMINE WHAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED VERSUS WHAT NEEDS TO BE REPURPOSED, AND THEN CONTINUE TO EVALUATE LANDSCAPING ENHANCEMENTS.
THAT DOES HELP REDUCE A LOT OF THE TREES THAT ARE LOST DURING HURRICANE EVENTS AND STORM EVENTS.
MOVING ON TO RESILIENCY INITIATIVES FIRE STATION NUMBER TWO IS ONE OF THE PROJECTS THAT'S KIND OF IN THE NEAR OR NOT NEAR FUTURE. IN THE FUTURE, WITH $30 MILLION PROJECTED, A DESIGN THAT'S SCHEDULED FOR APPROVAL SEPTEMBER 24TH, WHICH WILL BE THIS WEEK, AS WELL AS DESIGN COSTS BEING AT 1.17 MILLION.
POLICE STATION IMPROVEMENTS AND THE REPLACEMENT THAT'S TO BE DETERMINED.
THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE ON OUR DOCKET THAT WE WOULD THAT WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO SPEAK WITH YOU ALL ON, AS WELL AS FIRE STATION ONE, THE ELEVATOR IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH HAS BEEN QUITE A TASK, BUT WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT 870,000, IN THE LATEST ESTIMATE THAT WE RECEIVED, DESIGN COST IS ABOUT $72,000.
WE ALSO HAVE THE NORRIS CENTER HARDENING INITIATIVE ESTIMATED AT 500,000.
WHAT THIS WOULD INCLUDE IS HARDENING THE BUILDING.
SO EXCUSE ME THAT IT CAN WITHSTAND STORMS. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT CAN OPERATE AFTER A STORM IF WE HAVE LOSS OF POWER, WHICH HAS A GENERATOR UP STORM SHUTTERS. IT'S GOT A LOT OF WINDOWS AND SUCH IN THERE, SO WE WANT TO TRY TO PROTECT THAT.
WE WOULD WANT TO DESIGN THE RESTROOM SO THAT THEY ARE A LITTLE MORE STORM.
STORM? TOLERABLE. WE'VE HAD TO GO IN. WE'VE TRIED TO REPLACE IT.
THE THE WALLS AND SUCH WITH MATERIAL THAT DOESN'T GET AS DAMAGED.
BUT THAT COMMUNITY BUILDING WE HAD FURNITURE, WE HAD WALLS, WE HAD FLOORING, WE HAD ELECTRICAL ISSUES, EVERYTHING. IT TOOK QUITE A BEATING. AND THAT WAS TWICE THAT WE HAD TO GO IN.
BUT YOU KNOW, IT WOULD. IT'S STILL GOING TO CONTINUE TO FLOOD.
AND WE HAVE THOSE STORM EVENTS. THE TENNIS CENTER IS AT GROUND LEVEL.
WE DO HAVE THAT ON HERE AS TO BE DETERMINED. SOME IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE MINIMAL COST FOR THAT BECAUSE AS I'VE GONE THROUGH AND LEARNED THAT THAT BUILDING WAS DESIGNED FOR EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENS FOR IT TO SHIFT THROUGH THE WATER.
WHAT WE HAVE TO DO AS A STAFF IS WE HAVE TO BE MORE PROACTIVE IN STORM PREP TO BE ABLE TO REMOVE ALL OF THOSE ITEMS OUT THAT WERE DAMAGED, THE EQUIPMENT. BUT SOME ITEMS IN THERE ELEVATING ELECTRICAL OUTLETS AND GOING IN TO REPLACE THE SHEETROCK AND PUTTING SOME DIFFERENT MATERIAL IN THERE THAT DOESN'T GET DAMAGED, CREATING MOLD, WHICH WOULD ESSENTIALLY HARM THE REST OF THE BUILDING.
BUT WE ARE WE ARE CONTINUING TO EVALUATE THAT.
WE DID HAVE TO REPLACE SOME OF THE PILES THAT ARE UP UNDERNEATH THE BUILDING.
IF YOU GO OVER THERE, WE HAD THEY RUSTED SIGNIFICANTLY, ESPECIALLY AFTER BEING ENGULFED IN WATER.
BUT WE WERE ABLE TO GET IN TO PUT A DIFFERENT TYPE OF MATERIAL ON THAT.
SO WE HOPE THAT WILL BE RESILIENT. CONTINUING ON FIRE STATION TWO AGAIN, $30 MILLION.
DESIGN COST 1.17. THIS IS SOME. BUT SOME OF THE THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND.
THIS BUILDING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1974. IT WAS EXPANDED IN 1989 AND RENOVATIONS IN 2004 AND 2018.
SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S BEEN THERE'S BEEN SOME THINGS DONE TO IT, BUT IT'S IN PRETTY POOR SHAPE.
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THIS WILL HELP TO ENHANCE OUR EMERGENCY RESPONSE.AND YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT FACILITY, YOU SEE THE PICTURE THERE? IT HAS HAS LIVED ITS EXISTING LIFE FOR HIS USEFUL LIFE.
SO WE NEED TO MOVE FORWARD. AND THAT IS A PRIORITY FOR US.
AND WE'RE WORKING WITH FIRE STATION. AND THAT BRINGS US TO THE POLICE STATION WITH REPLACEMENT.
IT DID GET FLOODED DURING THE HURRICANE. IT CAUSED PRETTY SIGNIFICANT DAMAGE.
FLOORING. WE HAD SOME WALLS. SOME OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE IN THERE.
IT REALLY BECAME LIKE A MOAT AROUND THE BUILDING.
SO, YOU KNOW, TRYING TO FOCUS IN ON BEING ABLE TO HAVE A BETTER EMERGENCY RESPONSE.
AND THAT'S KIND OF PRIORITY THAT YOU SEE WITH THE FIRE STATION AND POLICE STATION THERE.
ESTIMATED COST RIGHT NOW IS TO BE DETERMINED AS WELL.
AND IF YOU GOT ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT PART, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER.
VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU. CHAD. JUST REAL QUICK, OVER AT FIRE STATION TWO.
IN THOSE PARKING BAYS THERE THAT WE SEE AND HOLDING THE FIRE ENGINES AND OTHER WHEELED EQUIPMENT.
DO THOSE BAYS FLOOD? I DON'T KNOW THAT FIRE STATION TWO GOT A TON OF WATER.
I DON'T KNOW IF I SEE FIRE CHIEF HERE. I KNOW, OBVIOUSLY FIRE STATION ONE TOOK ON SOME WATER.
FIRE STATION TWO, I DON'T THINK. THERE YOU GO.
OH, HERE HE IS. GOOD MORNING. CORY, YOU'RE DEPUTY FIRE CHIEF.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHIEF. THE. HOW CLOSE DID WE GET? DO YOU KNOW TO HAVING THOSE BAYS FLOODED AT THAT LOCATION? YEAH. WASN'T EVEN A FACTOR AT THAT STATION. OKAY.
OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. PENMAN. AND CONVERSELY, STATION ONE.
YES. WE'VE HAD TO ADAPT OUR RESPONSE MODALITIES OUT OF STATION ONE DURING HURRICANES.
ANYTIME WE HAVE STORM SURGE OR FLOOD WATERS COMING UP BASED ON THE HURRICANE OR EXTREME RAINSTORMS, WE DO HAVE THE HIGH WATER VEHICLE THAT WE USE TO RESCUE PEOPLE NOW.
WE ALSO HAVE TWO SMALL, SHALLOW WATERCRAFT THAT WE CAN USE.
JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE THEY'RE AT AND WHAT THE CURRENT SITUATION IS, I GUESS.
COUNCIL AND AND I'M HAUNTED BY THE TELEVISION IMAGE OF THAT PARTICULAR STATION DURING THE LAST HURRICANE WHERE YOU WERE HAVING DIFFICULTY EVEN GETTING YOUR EQUIPMENT OUT OF THE BAYS.
BUT THAT'S PROBABLY A AN OMNIBUS DISCUSSION. NOT JUST YOUR FIRE STATION, BUT MAYBE OMNIBUS DISCUSSION RELATIVE TO A LOT OF OUR, A LOT OF OUR BUILDINGS THAT ARE IN HARM'S WAY.
SO THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
THANK YOU. NEXT WE HAVE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY SERVICES.
ANDREW HUNTER IS HERE. WILL PRESENT. THANK YOU.
ANDREW. GOOD AFTERNOON. ANDREW HUNTER, TECHNOLOGY SERVICES DIRECTOR. SO, SO FOR TEAM INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY PRIMARY FUNCTION OF OF THE PLANET.
TALK TO YOU TODAY IS CYBERSECURITY TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND OPERATIONAL HARDENING.
THE PILLARS, AS DOCTOR GEORGE DISCUSSED, WERE UNDER THE INLAND PROTECTION ONE, AS YOU CAN IMAGINE. FUNDING THE FUNDING WILL TALK ABOUT BEHIND THE ITEMS YOU'LL SEE IN THE FOLLOWING PAGES COME FROM MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS, AND THE KEY ELEMENTS WILL FOCUS ON ARE THE CITY WIDE NETWORK REDUNDANCY AND HARDENING, AS WELL AS WORKING WITH UTILITIES ON THEIR SCADA NETWORKS, MAKING THAT MORE RESILIENT AND SEGMENTED.
OOPS. MY CAMERA. THERE WE GO. SO SO ONE OF THE THINGS WE'VE COMPLETED THIS YEAR IS WE'VE ADDED SOME, SOME SUPPLEMENTAL AIR CONDITIONING TO OUR MAIN DATA CENTER AT RIVERSIDE CIRCLE.
SO THAT WHAT THAT DOES IS IT TAKES US OFF OF THE, THE DEPENDENCY ON THE BUILDING AIR CONDITIONING, WHICH WAS NOT SAY, TECHNOLOGY SPECIFIC DESIGNED.
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THE EQUIPMENT. AND NOW WE'RE ABLE TO USE THE BUILDING AIR CONDITIONER AS A SECONDARY.AND THAT THAT BECOMES OUR SUPPLEMENTAL AIR, IF YOU WILL.
THAT BECOMES OUR SECONDARY APPROACH. SO WE FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE ABOUT THAT.
WE HAVE A SIMILAR PROJECT GOING ON AT FIRE STATION ONE WHERE ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE A ROBUST, I'LL SAY, TECHNOLOGY COOLING UNIT WE'RE GOING TO REPLACE AN OLDER SUPPLEMENTAL AIR AND TO GIVE THAT ROOM KIND OF A BETTER CHANCE OF SURVIVAL, IF YOU WILL, IN IF THAT AIR CONDITIONING UNIT DIES IF THAT MAIN AIR, IF THAT MAIN AIR CONDITIONING UNIT DIES WE'RE DOING SOME WORK IN BOTH OF THOSE DATA CENTERS, PARTICULARLY IN THE MAIN DATA CENTER WITH THE UPS AND OUR ELECTRICAL DESIGN, IF YOU WILL. SO WE'RE RIGHT. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE IN THE IN BOTH OF THOSE DATA CENTERS.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS DESIGN THE ELECTRICAL COMPONENTS SUCH OF THAT, SUCH THAT WE HAVE MULTIPLE ELECTRICAL FEEDS TO OUR UNITS, AND THAT WILL TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF DESIGN WORK, AND THAT'LL HOPEFULLY GIVE US A BETTER SURVIVAL RATE IF WE HIT ADDITIONAL POWER ISSUES.
WE'RE, WE'RE WE'VE JUST RECENTLY OR WE'RE RECEIVING QUOTES ON A BACKUP GENERATOR THAT CAN RUN THE ENTIRE DATA CENTER AT AT RIVERSIDE CIRCLE SHOULD SOMETHING HAPPEN TO THE BUILDING'S GENERATOR.
THE BUILDING'S GENERATOR IS A ROBUST GENERATOR. IT'S AN OLDER GENERATOR.
DURING IAN, IT FAILED, AND WE HAD A ROLE IN A GENERATOR TO SUPPORT.
JUST THE ELECTRONICS COMPONENT. JUST THE DATA ROOM.
SO. SO SHOULD WE HAVE A PROBLEM? WE CAN BRING THE DATA CENTER BACK UP IN LINE IN WITHIN AN HOUR.
I'LL SAY AND THEN WE'RE WORKING ON I SPOKE TO THIS GROUP A LITTLE BIT IN PRIOR DISCUSSIONS ON OUR FIBER RING IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO BRING IN SURVIVABILITY INTO OUR FIBER CONNECTIONS. IF ONE ONE PIECE, IF A PIECE OF FIBER GETS CUT TO AT LEAST OUR MAIN BUILDINGS THE PLAN ONCE WE IMPLEMENT THE FIBER RING WOULD BE ABLE TO FEED THAT THAT BUILDING FROM ANOTHER DIRECTION WHICH IS ALMOST INSTANTANEOUS.
ONCE ONCE WE'RE ABLE TO, TO DO THE FULL IMPLEMENTATION OF THAT.
SO, SO WE HAVE, WE HAVE WORK ON THE DESIGN TABLE TO DO THAT.
SOME OF THOSE LEGS ARE AT VARIOUS STAGES. AND WE'LL TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THEM IN A MINUTE.
WELL FIELDS DATA COMMUNICATION. SO THE WELL FIELDS THAT WERE RECENTLY TALKED ABOUT, THE ONE OUT IN GOLDEN, THE ONES OUT IN GOLDEN GATE ESTATES THEY HAVE TECHNOLOGY IN THEM TO ALLOW UTILITIES TO MONITOR THOSE, THOSE SITES THEY ARE ON A SINGLE COMMUNICATIONS PATH, AND WE INTEND TO WORK WITH THEM TO GET MULTIPLE CARRIERS OUT THERE FOR FOR CELLULAR CONNECTIVITY AND ALSO MULTIPLE, IF YOU WILL, MODEMS TO BE ABLE TO CONNECT, TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THOSE SITES CONNECT TO US AND REPORT IN.
SO THAT'LL GIVE THEM BETTER CAPABILITIES TO MONITOR THOSE WELL, SITES, SHOULD THEY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE PRIMARY COMMUNICATIONS METHOD FROM A FIBER OPTIC SYSTEM EXPANSION PERSPECTIVE ON THE FOLLOWING PAGES, I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU WE RECENTLY COMPLETED A PIECE OF WORK FROM CONNECTING THE MAIN DATA CENTER, RIVERSIDE CIRCLE TO THE TO THE WATER PLANT THAT GIVES US NOW CITY OWNED, DEDICATED FIBER DEDICATED TO THE THE WATER PLANT OPERATIONS.
SO I BELIEVE CONSTRUCTION ON THAT IS COMPLETE.
I'M NOT 100% SURE YET IF WE HAVE ALL THE ELECTRONICS WORKING THE WAY WE WANT, BUT WE NOW HAVE, AGAIN, CITY OWNED FIBER TO THAT LOCATION THAT WE CAN CONTROL AND MANAGE.
SIMILARLY, WE HAVE PLANS ON THE BOOKS TO GET TO OUR SOUTHERNMOST SITE, WHICH IS THE EAST NAPLES TANK SITE, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN JUST A PAGE HERE. PAGE OR TWO.
THIS ONE, THIS THIS CHART HERE ON THE ON THE BOTTOM, YOU SEE THE BIG RED PATH THAT KIND OF GOES, GOES UP GOODLETTE AND AND HANGS A LEFT OVER THROUGH FLESHMAN TO GET TO THE WATER PLANT.
SO THAT'S THE DEDICATED LINE I WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT.
AND AGAIN, WE DO CONTINUE THAT UP TO, TO SOLANA.
SO THAT GIVES US ADDITIONAL CAPABILITIES AND, AND MANAGEMENT FOR THE, FOR THOSE UTILITY STATIONS.
AND THIS ONE IS STILL IN THE DESIGN PHASE. WE HAVEN'T STARTED IMPLEMENTING THAT YET.
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NAPLES TANK SITE. THAT'S GOING TO BE FUNDED BY UTILITIES, ESSENTIALLY.AND THOSE ARE THE MAIN POINTS FROM A TECHNOLOGY PERSPECTIVE.
QUESTIONS. VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU, MR. HUNTER.
THE YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT A SECOND GENERATOR OVER IN, I THINK THE RIVERSIDE CIRCLE.
YES, SIR. DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE PAD ELEVATION? ONCE A GENERATOR IS PLACED, IN OTHER WORDS, FOR THAT, THE BUILDING IS WIRED FOR IT.
IF WE WANTED TO MOVE A GENERATOR IN, IS IT OUT OF THE FLOOD ELEVATION? SO. SO THIS APPROACH PUTS THE SECOND GENERATOR ESSENTIALLY IN THE PARKING PARK PARKING LOT, BUT IN THE SPOTS CLOSEST TO THE BUILDING. SO IT ESSENTIALLY WILL BE ABOUT ON THE SAME LEVEL THAT THE EXISTING GENERATOR IS AT.
I'LL TELL YOU THE LAST TWO HURRICANES THAT I SPENT IN THE BUILDING THE THE WATERS DID NOT GET TO THAT LEVEL WHERE IT WOULD HAVE ENDANGERED EITHER OF THOSE GENERATORS AND FURTHERMORE THE GENERATORS ON WHEELS. SO IT IS IT IS FURTHER ELEVATED.
THAT'S THAT ANSWERS THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON MAYOR. GOOD AFTERNOON.
MAYOR. COUNCIL STEVE BECKMAN, DIRECTOR OF BUILDING SERVICES.
SO TEAM BUILDING AGAIN ON THE NEXT PAGE HERE.
SEE HOW THAT. THAT ONE THERE. OKAY, SO TEAM BUILDING ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE PROVIDE FOR THE COMMUNITY IS, IS OUTREACH AND EDUCATION. A BIG THING PRIOR TO STORMS. LET PEOPLE KNOW WHAT YOU CAN POSSIBLY DO TO MITIGATE RISK.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE STATE REQUIRED AFTER IAN WAS, WAS THAT MUNICIPALITIES HAVE AN EMERGENCY PERMITTING PROCESS, WHICH WHICH THE CITY OF NAPLES ALREADY HAD, I CAN SAY AFTER THE THREE RECENT STORMS WE'VE ALL LEARNED RIGHT AFTER ACTION WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT CAN WE DO BETTER AND, AND, AND HAVE THINGS WE CAN DO THAT CAN IMPROVE UPON THOSE EMERGENCY PROCEDURES AND PROCESS THAT WE HAD. LET ME BACK UP HERE. SO THE KEY ELEMENT OBVIOUSLY IS THE CITY BUILDING CODE, OUR CITY BUILDING CODE. WE ENFORCE THE FLORIDA BUILDING CODE.
WE DO HAVE SOME LOCAL AMENDMENTS ON THE FLOOD SIDE THAT THAT ADD TO SOME RESILIENCY.
SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT COUNCIL DID I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT DATE, BUT A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF OR SO AGO WAS TO ENABLE RESIDENTS TO ADD SOME FREEBOARD USE THE HIGHER OF THE TWO MAPS. SO THAT'S SOMETHING AND ALONG WITH ANOTHER EXAMPLE IS THAT ALL OF OUR STRUCTURES ARE DESIGNED BY A DESIGN PROFESSIONAL. NOT JUST WHAT THE BUILDING CODE WOULD REQUIRE, WHICH WOULD BE THE FOUNDATION IN A FLOOD ZONE.
BUT IN THE CITY, WE DESIGN ALL OF OUR STRUCTURES FOR STRUCTURAL CRS IS THE COMMUNITY RATING SERVICE. HAS A LOT TO DO WITH REALLY RATING OUR COMMUNITY.
SEE HOW WELL WE DO FOR FLOOD PREVENTION AND ENFORCEMENT OF OUR CODES.
THE LOWER THE SCORE, THE BETTER. ONE BEING THE BEST CLASS, TEN BEING NO CREDIT.
WE'RE CURRENTLY AT A CLASS FIVE, WHICH GIVES US A 20% DISCOUNT ON OUR INSURANCE.
SOME OF THE THINGS WE CAN DO WHEN WE THINK ABOUT WHAT CAN WE DO TO GAIN RESILIENCY, PUT DOWN SOME OF THE SIX OF THE TOP KIND OF THINGS THAT COME TO MIND, WHICH I MENTIONED JUST A MINUTE AGO.
FREEBOARD, LETTING SOMEONE GO UP A LITTLE HIGHER, HIGHER THAN THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS.
IS IS A HUGE THING THAT CAN BE DONE. OBVIOUSLY, THE HIGHER UP YOU GO TO BETTER, BETTER YOU'RE PREPARED TO DEAL WITH THINGS LIKE FLOODING PROHIBITING THE USE OF FILL. I JUST WANT TO COMMENT ON ON WHAT THAT MEANS.
THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN'T USE FILL FOR SOME LANDSCAPING AND SOME DRAINAGE WORK.
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LANDSCAPING. THAT'S GOING TO DIRECT WATER TO WHERE IT NEEDS TO GO.THIS THIS REALLY IS, IS POINTING TO PROHIBITING ELEVATING BUILDINGS BY PHIL.
THE USE OF FILL IS, IS IS WITH THAT THAT IN MIND EXPANDED FLOODPLAIN MAPPING, YOU KNOW, FEMA DOES IT PERIODICALLY EVERY FIVE YEARS OR SO THEY COME IN AND THEY'LL MAP A COMMUNITY. BUT A COMMUNITY CAN DO THEIR OWN FLOODPLAIN PLAIN MAPPING.
ALSO, WE CAN, IF WE CHOOSE TO ENGAGE A PROFESSIONAL TO COME IN THERE AND DO SOME ADDITIONAL MAPPING CRITICAL FACILITIES RESTRICTIONS, AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FIRE STATION AND POLICE STATION AND, AND OUR, AND OUR PUBLIC UTILITIES HERE, OBVIOUSLY PUTTING THEM INTO AREAS THAT ARE OUT OF FLOOD ZONES OR YOU KNOW, DOING THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO MAKE THEM MORE RESILIENT, BE A HIGHER STANDARD. WE DON'T HAVE MUCH MANUFACTURED HOUSING, BUT THERE'S YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE OF THE TOP THINGS THAT'S DONE TO MAKE SOME COMMUNITIES RESILIENT. AND STRICTER SUBDIVISION STANDARDS.
AGAIN, WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF SUBDIVISIONS PER SE, LIKE ARE GENERALLY IN OTHER COMMUNITIES WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, THOUSAND PLUS HOMES CAN BE PUT IN IN SUBDIVISIONS A LOT, A LOT OF COMMUNITIES HAVE STANDARDS THAT WILL SAY IF YOU'RE CREATING A NEW SUBDIVISION, YOU'RE GOING TO TAKE ALL THAT OUT OF FLOOD.
SO EVERYTHING WILL BE TAKEN INTO AN EXON, USUALLY BY USE OF FILL.
PUT THIS PHOTO HERE IS DEPICTS A FLOOD BARRIER, WHICH WE'VE HAD A LOT OF RECENT CONVERSATIONS ON.
AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE FREEBOARD ITEM. BUT AGAIN, THIS IS YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE BUILDING AND DESIGNING A NEW BUILDING, YOU CAN DESIGN AND, AND YOU CAN DO IT WE'RE SOMEWHAT LIMITED TO WHAT WE CAN DO ON EXISTING BUILDINGS.
JUST JUST BECAUSE, LIKE I SAID, THE BUILDINGS ALREADY EXISTING AND AND THERE ISN'T YOU KNOW, A LOT YOU CAN DO TO FLOOD PROOF. SOME BUILDINGS WE CAN ELEVATE. AND HERE'S AN EXAMPLE OF ONE THAT'S JUST BEEN ELEVATED OVER RIVER PARK EAST.
THERE ARE SOME APPLICATIONS IN TO ELEVATE HOMES IN OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY AS WELL.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT'S TAKING PLACE REALLY ALL THROUGHOUT FLORIDA.
FLORIDA HAD A I THINK THEY HAVE A PROGRAM ELEVATE FLORIDA.
THERE ARE LIMITATIONS, SITE LIMITATIONS ON, ON, YOU KNOW, HOW HOW YOU FIT ELEMENTS SUCH AS STAIRS AND OTHER UTILITIES THAT HAVE TO BE WORKED OUT. AND AND THERE'S CONSIDERABLE COST TO THIS THAT HAVE TO BE WEIGHED.
AND WHAT THIS DOES IS REALLY PROTECTS FUTURE OWNER FROM IF SOMEONE WERE TO RENOVATE CURRENT HOME AND, AND FINISH OFF AN ENCLOSURE BELOW THE FINISHED THE MINIMUM FLOOR LOWER ELEVATION.
I PUT THIS SLIDE HERE. IT REALLY KIND OF SHOWS WE GOT, YOU KNOW, THE V ZONE, WHICH IS THE VELOCITY ZONE, WAVE HEIGHT GREATER THAN THREE FEET. THE ZONE IN IN SOME AREAS WE HAVE ON OUR CURRENT MAPS ARE KNOWN AS COASTAL ZONES, WAVE HEIGHTS OF 1 TO 3FT. AND THEN THE ZONE, OUR FLOOD ZONE AREAS THAT THAT THEY MAY NOT HAVE WAVE ACTIVITY.
BUT YOU CAN YOU CAN HAVE SOME FLOODING. AND THEN THE ZONE AREAS.
ONE OF THE OPTIONS FOR ADDING RESILIENCY IS TO AGAIN, IN HIGHER STANDARDS IS TO REQUIRE NEW CONSTRUCTION IN A COASTAL AID TO BE BUILT PER THE V ZONE REQUIREMENTS. IT'S. THIS WOULD MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE, BUT IT ALSO BECOMES PRETTY DIFFICULT AND ALSO WOULD REALLY CHANGE HOW THINGS LOOK. ONE OF THE THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND V ZONE REQUIRES THE FIRST FLOOR TO BE ELEVATED ABOVE THE LOWEST HORIZONTAL
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MEMBER ABOVE THE 100 YEAR WAVE CREST. WHEREAS IN A COASTAL A AND A ZONE, YOU JUST NEED TO BE ONE FOOT ABOVE THE MINIMUM.FEMA'S BASE FLOOD ELEVATION. THAT'S A CONSIDERABLE DIFFERENCE.
I MEAN, WE'RE FEMA ELEVATIONS ARE GENERALLY LOWER THAN THE THAN THE 100 YEAR HEIGHTS.
A GREAT DEAL. SO, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, ELEVATING A HOUSE TO WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE RAISING YOUR FLOOR LEVEL UP AN EXTRA 5 OR 10FT, MAKE A BIG DIFFERENCE. BUT IT ALSO BECOMES SOMETHING THAT GETS PRETTY HARD TO DO IN A LOT OF AREAS JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IN MAINTAINING WHAT THE LOOK AND FEEL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS AND THINGS LIKE THAT ALL COME INTO COME INTO CONSIDERATION.
SO, MAYOR, CAN I ASK ONE QUESTION REAL QUICK? YES. BECAUSE ME AND MR. BECKMAN HAD A CONVERSATION ON FLOOD PROOFING, NONRESIDENTIAL AND RESIDENTIAL.
AND I DO GET SOME QUESTIONS FROM RESIDENTS. CAN YOU JUST CLARIFY THAT WHAT WE ALLOW TO HAPPEN IS ESSENTIALLY FLOOD MITIGATION, NOT NECESSARILY PER BUILDING CODE, FLOOD PROOFING FOR THE RESIDENTIAL ASPECT OF HOMES? SURE. SO THE CITY IS EVALUATING AND CONSIDERING, YOU KNOW, WHERE WHERE WE CAN ISSUE PERMITS TO MITIGATE RISK FOR FLOOD.
AND AND THAT INCLUDES, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, KEEPING WATER FROM INFILTRATING UP FROM THE GROUND LEVEL AMONGST CRACKS OR HOLES OR CONDUITS OR WHAT HAVE YOU, THAT COULD BE IN A SLAB AND A WALL, ETC.
AND FLOOD PROOFING IS ALLOWED IN NONRESIDENTIAL BUILDINGS WHICH ARE GENERALLY NOT OCCUPIED WHEN A STORM EVENT IS COMING, WHEREAS RESIDENTIAL. THE MAIN REASON WHY BUILDING CODES DON'T ALLOW YOU TO BUILD AND TO COMPLY WITH CODES THROUGH FLOOD PROOFING IS IT'S CONSIDERED JUST TOO DANGEROUS. AND, YOU KNOW, OFTENTIMES EVEN WHEN A BUILDING IS DESIGNED TO BE FLOOD PROOFED, IT COULD FAIL. IT COULD FAIL FROM LACK OF MAINTENANCE, IT COULD FAIL FROM NOT PUTTING THE BARRIERS UP.
AND THERE'S A LOT OF FACTORS THAT CAN COME INTO PLAY.
AND AND, YOU KNOW, A STORM COULD BE MORE INTENSE THAN YOU'VE DESIGNED IT FOR.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S LESS RISK FOR, YOU KNOW, LOSS OF LIFE BASICALLY THAN, THAN IN RESIDENTIAL.
SO RESIDENTIAL AGAIN, WHERE WE CAN ALLOW IT. IN OTHER WORDS WHERE YOU CAN MITIGATE RISK WITH THE USE OF FLOOD PANELS, FLOOD BARRIERS YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T TAKE A BUILDING THAT'S BUILT AND DESIGNED AS CODE COMPLIANT AND RENDER IT NON-COMPLIANT. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE BASIC, BASIC ELEMENTS OF THAT.
BUT AGAIN IT'S LIMITED ON A FEW DIFFERENT FACTORS THAT COME ALONG WITH THE EXISTING BUILDINGS.
THANK YOU. I JUST WANTED FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE PUBLIC, BECAUSE I DO GET QUESTIONS SOMETIMES ON WHETHER OR NOT SOMEONE CAN FLOOD PROOF, GET A PERMIT TO FLOOD PROOF THEIR HOME. AND THE ANSWER IS NO.
SO THANK YOU. THIS LAST SLIDE HERE I PUT IN AS ASC 20.
WE'RE CURRENTLY ON ASC 2414, SO THAT WAS PUBLISHED IN THE YEAR 2014.
AND IT WOULD MAKE A HUGE DIFFERENCE IN RESILIENCY AND AND FOR MITIGATING RISK IN FLOOD HAZARD AREAS.
A COUPLE OF THE KEY THINGS IT DOES IS IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP, ALL THE YELLOW AREAS ARE ARE NOT PART OF THE 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN, WHICH IS WHAT WE REALLY CONSIDER THE FLOOD ZONE THAT WE HAVE.
YOU KNOW, INCREASED REQUIREMENTS FOR ASC 2424 WOULD, WOULD REQUIRE US TO TREAT ALL OF THOSE AS IF THEY'RE FLOOD ZONES AND HAVE SOME OF THE SAME, SAME REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE FOR OUR 100 YEAR FLOODPLAIN, FLOODPLAINS.
ALSO MANDATORY FACTORING OF FUTURE SEA LEVEL RISES.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN WE DO TALK ABOUT FLOOD PROOFING WITH WITH FLOOD PANELS CURRENTLY THERE ARE COMPANIES THAT TEST AND RATE THESE KIND OF PRODUCTS, ALTHOUGH IT'S NOT A REQUIREMENT THAT PRODUCTS HAVE RATINGS FROM TEST ORGANIZATION LIKE ANSI, ASC 24. 24 WOULD REQUIRE THAT. SO ANY FLOOD PROTECTION DEVICE, WHETHER IT BE PUMPS, WHETHER IT BE BARRIERS WHAT HAVE YOU
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ARE WOULD ALL REQUIRE TESTING AND RATING THROUGH ANSI, FM 2510, WHICH WOULD BE THE STANDARD.AND THAT WRAPS UP WHAT WE'VE GOT HERE FOR BUILDING.
SO IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. I YES, COUNCIL MEMBER CUSHMAN.
THANK YOU, MR. BECKMAN. A COUPLE OF THINGS. FIRST, ON THE CR'S RATING DOES CAN THE CR'S RATING HAVE ANY IMPACT ON INSURANCE PREMIUMS FOR PROPERTY INSURANCE, NOT FLOOD INSURANCE. REGULAR PROPERTY INSURANCE? IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU LIVE IN AN AREA WHERE FLOOD INSURANCE IS NOT REQUIRED OR YOU CHOOSE NOT TO BUY IT, CAN IT CAN I? A GOOD CR'S RATING LIKE WE HAVE.
IF KNOWN TO THE INSURANCE COMPANY, HAVE AN IMPACT ON YOUR COST OF INSURANCE.
DO YOU HAVE A DO YOU HAVE ANY OPINION OR ANY KNOWLEDGE ON THAT? I'M NOT AN INSURANCE EXPERT, BUT I WOULD TEND TO THINK IT WOULD APPLY TO EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY.
AS FAR AS. BUT I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT.
I KNOW THAT THE COMMUNITY GETS A BENEFIT AND A DISCOUNT FOR FLOOD INSURANCE.
YEAH. ANY I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS AN OPINION.
WE DO HAVE AN INSURANCE EXPERT. I JUST REMEMBERED, MR. BARTON. YES, IT DOES APPLY TO STANDARD HAZARD INSURANCE IN ADDITION TO FLOOD INSURANCE.
CORRECT. YEAH. THANK YOU. AND HOW IS THAT INFORMATION MADE KNOWN TO INSURANCE BROKERS? THERE ACTUALLY IS A SITE THAT WE CAN GO TO AND CHECK THE ADDRESS.
VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO ADD A QUICK COMMENT TO THAT.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST IT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE A GOOD, GOOD IDEA FOR ANYBODY TO HAVE BECAUSE, I'D LIKE TO SAY, YOU KNOW, FLOOD WATERS DON'T FOLLOW A MAP, AND IT'S POSSIBLE YOU COULD FLOOD NOT BEING IN A FLOOD ZONE, SO IT'D BE WORTHWHILE. YES, I UNDERSTAND. CAN RELATE TO THAT COMMENT.
THANK YOU. A COUPLE OTHER THINGS. YOU SENT OUT AN EMAIL A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO, MR. BECKMAN, WITH AN UPDATE ON THE FLOOD PANEL SITUATION HERE IN THE CITY AND IN TERMS OF PERMITS THAT HAVE BEEN GRANTED BOTH MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE FAMILY, AND IT'S A VERY WELL DONE AND HELPFUL MEMO.
I THOUGHT IN TERMS OF JUST BRINGING COUNCIL UP TO DATE ON ON THAT SITUATION.
WE KNOW THAT THERE STILL HAVE BEEN A A LIMITED NUMBER OF PARTIES, BOTH SINGLE FAMILY AND MULTIFAMILY, THAT HAVE WORKED THROUGH THE CITY TO INSTALL THESE PANELS OR OTHER.
I'LL JUST SAY FLOOD PROTECTION DEVICES. AND WE ALSO KNOW JUST BEING CANDID HERE, THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF PARTIES IN TOWN THAT HAVE PROBABLY INSTALLED THESE WITHOUT SEEKING A PERMIT.
AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF PEOPLE ALSO WHO REMAIN DESPITE YOUR BEST EFFORTS.
AND I THINK YOU'RE DOING GOOD WORK REMAIN FRUSTRATED ABOUT WHAT THEY CAN DO AND CAN'T DO.
AND I THINK YOUR RECENT MEMO DID A VERY GOOD JOB OF LAYING OUT THE RULES OF THE ROAD, SO TO SPEAK.
AND, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THIS IS PROTECTING PEOPLE FROM THEMSELVES, YOU KNOW, BAD CONTRACTORS.
PEOPLE WHO JUST ARE IGNORANT OF THE RULES PUTTING IN SYSTEMS THAT REALLY NOT ONLY ARE NOT PROPERLY PERMITTED, BUT MAY END UP CREATING A RISK TO THE HOMEOWNER OR CONDO OWNER.
I THINK I THINK OUR PROBLEM IS STILL ONE OF COMMUNICATION.
AND I KNOW AND, AND I THINK WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE CAN COMMUNICATE EVEN MORE BROADLY AND MORE DEEPLY WITH OUR RESIDENTS ON THIS. AND, YOU KNOW, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW,
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YOU DON'T YOU'RE NOT COMMUNICATIONS EXPERTS. AND OUR COMMUNICATIONS DEPARTMENT, AS HAS BEEN POINTED OUT IN PAST MEETINGS HERE CONSISTS OF ONE FULL TIME EQUIVALENT.AND SO OUR CAPACITY IN THIS AREA AS A CITY IS LIMITED.
BUT I THINK THIS IS ONE AREA. MR. YOUNG, I'M, YOU KNOW, DIRECTING THIS TO YOU AS MUCH AS TO MR. BECKMAN. THAT REALLY WARRANTS MORE EFFORT. AND AND I THINK THE HOA'S CAN BE A RESOURCE IN THIS REGARD.
I THINK HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH THEM AND THINKING ABOUT HOW WE CAN USE THEM AS A DISTRIBUTION VEHICLE TO SEND INFORMATION OUT THAT IS PERHAPS THROUGH WHATEVER MEANS WE'RE USING OUR OWN STAFF AND EVEN THIRD PARTIES TO DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT IS SHALL WE SAY, RESONANT FRIENDLY AS A COMMUNICATIONS.
AND THEN USING THE HOA'S TO DISTRIBUTE IT WOULD BE WOULD BE A TIME WELL SPENT AND A REAL VALUE BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE ARE STILL HUNGRY FOR THIS KIND OF COMMUNICATION AS WE GET INTO SEASON.
BUT WHETHER WE DO OR NOT, I THINK THE RECENT EVENTS ARE STILL FRESH ENOUGH IN PEOPLE'S MINDS THAT AS THEY RETURN THIS SEASON, THEY'RE GOING TO BE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS AND LOOKING FOR WAYS TO MAKE THEIR HOMES MORE SAFE AND THEIR CONDO BUILDINGS MORE SAFE. SO IT'S JUST A SUGGESTION I HAVE IS SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD REALLY MAKE A PRIORITY OF.
NOT AS WELL AS YOURS, STEVE IS YOU KNOW, WHAT CODE CHANGES CAN WE MAKE? BUILDING CODE COMP PLAN CHANGES, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE CHANGES.
CAN AND SHOULD WE LOOK AT AND CONSIDER THAT CAN BE HELPFUL TO RESIDENTS, PARTICULARLY RESIDENTS WHO LIVE IN OLDER, OFTEN SMALLER HOMES AND RESIDENTS WHO DON'T WANT TO SELL.
WOULD LIKE TO HANG ON TO THOSE HOMES, KEEP THEM, AND BUT FEEL INCREASINGLY PRESSURED TO DO SO BECAUSE OF OF, YOU KNOW, THE RISKS AND ISSUES RELATING TO FLOOD PROOFING TO, TO FLOODING.
AND, YOU KNOW, THIS GETS TO LIKE THE LOCATION OF GENERATORS, THIS WHOLE ISSUE WITH GARAGES.
AND I KNOW WE'RE CONSTRAINED IN MANY CASES PROBABLY BY STATE BUILDING CODES, PERHAPS BY JUST OUR OWN VIEWS AS TO WHAT, WHAT OUR SAFE THINGS TO DO AND UNSAFE THINGS TO DO.
AND MAYBE IT'S IN THE CONTEXT OF THIS RESILIENCY SECTION OF THE COMP PLAN THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT AND ADDING TO OUR COMP PLAN, BUT I REALLY THINK WE NEED TO HAVE AN IN DEPTH, COMPREHENSIVE EFFORT AIMED AT AT YOU KNOW, HOW DO WE HELP RESIDENTS HELP THEMSELVES? AND, AND AND UNDERTAKE THOSE KINDS OF AND, AND STAY IN THEIR HOMES IF THEY WISH TO AND AND WHAT CAN WE DO TO AMEND OUR CODES AND OUR COMP PLAN TO FACILITATE THAT? AND THE ONE GOOD PIECE OF THIS IS THAT, IF ANYTHING LIKE THAT THAT FITS UNDER THAT DEFINITION, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T RUN INTO EIGHT, TWO, 51, 80 PROBLEMS BECAUSE YOU'RE MAKING THINGS LESS RESTRICTIVE AND BURDENSOME ALMOST BY DEFINITION.
SO I WANTED TO JUST PUT IN A AGAIN, AS PART OF THIS OVERALL RESILIENCY PLANNING EFFORT.
YOU KNOW, BIG PICTURE, I THINK BEYOND, YOU KNOW, THE FOCUS ON INFRASTRUCTURE.
I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT AT THIS SIDE WHAT I'LL CALL THE SOFT SIDE OF IT, NOT THE HARD SIDE OF IT.
AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO TO TO BOTH, BOTH IN TERMS OF OPTICS AND PERCEPTIONS, BUT ALSO IN TERMS OF REAL CODE CHANGES BE REACHING OUT TO OUR RESIDENTS.
I ABSOLUTELY SUPPORT THAT. COULDN'T HAVE SAID IT BETTER.
I THINK IT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO US AS PART OF THIS.
SO IF THERE'S NO ONE THAT'S OPPOSED TO THAT, I THINK THAT'LL BE A FOLLOW UP FOR US.
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OUR RESIDENTS TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE CHOICES TO, YOU KNOW, MR. PETROV COMMENTED ABOUT THE COLOR OF ROOFING EARLIER.YOU KNOW, IF WE CAN INCENTIVIZE SOMEONE. THERE ARE THERE ARE A LOT OF OPTIONS WITH PRODUCTS FROM SOLAR ROOFING TO, I MEAN, YOU NAME IT. THERE'S JUST THERE'S SO MANY PRODUCTS ON THE MARKET WHEN IT COMES TO BUILDING THAT HAVE ADVANTAGES AND OFFER SOME OF THESE.
AND THERE'S WAYS WE CAN INCENTIVIZE PEOPLE TO, TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE.
WOULD WOULD BE A GREAT STEP TO DO. THANK YOU.
COUNCIL MEMBER PETRANOFF. THANK YOU. YOU KNOW, I THINK STEPPING BACK FROM THIS TWO YEARS AGO WHEN THE FIRST HURRICANE HIT A PROBLEM WAS CREATED IN THAT RESIDENTS WERE REALLY WORRIED.
THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GET FLOODED. ENTREPRENEURS DECIDED TO EXPAND THEIR PRODUCT LINE WITHOUT REALLY THINKING ABOUT WHAT WHAT THE POSSIBLE SAFETY HAZARDS ARE IN USING THESE FLOOD PANELS.
AND SO YOU INHERITED SOMETHING WHERE PROBABLY MILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF PANELS HAVE BEEN SOLD AND THEY WANT TO USE THEM, AND THEY ARE BEING TOLD THE CITY IS STOPPING YOU FROM USING THEM.
SO IT'S A IT'S A TOUGH SITUATION THAT YOU WERE IN.
I THINK YOU REALLY YOU AND MR. DAUDA REALLY ROLLED UP YOUR SLEEVES AND STARTED DOING THE RESEARCH ON WHAT ARE THE RULES AROUND IT AND WHAT HOW CAN WE USE THIS? I THINK YOU PROVIDED GOOD TURNAROUND TIMES ON ON GETTING BACK TO THEM.
I HAVE HAD YOU SEND ME SOME OF THESE ENGINEERING REPORTS THAT, QUITE FRANKLY, ARE A PIECE OF GARBAGE WHERE THEY'RE ASKING FOR CERTAIN CALCULATIONS DONE, AND THEY JUST SKIP THOSE LINES. SO I THINK IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S ACROSS THE BOARD YOU KNOW PROBLEMS. I RAN INTO A FORENSIC, VERY WELL RESPECTED IN TOWN.
FORENSIC BUILDER OR ENGINEER WHO SAID, THANK GOD THE CITY IS STEPPING IN TO HAVE SOME, SOME CONTROLS ON THIS BECAUSE HE THOUGHT HE HE WORKED A LITTLE BIT ON SURFSIDE, AND HE SAID HE SAW A BIG PROBLEM WITH THIS HYDROSTATIC AND HYDRODYNAMIC PRESSURES THAT WERE NOT REALLY BEING THOUGHT ABOUT WHEN THESE THINGS ROLLED OUT.
I THINK IT WOULD BE HANDY TO HAVE MAYBE ANOTHER OPEN HOUSE BECAUSE IT WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED.
THAT WAS AT THE NORTH CENTER TO OPEN TO RESIDENTS, CONTRACTORS HOA LEADERS ALIKE, TO BE ABLE TO LISTEN TO THIS YOU KNOW, WHAT IS WHAT ARE THE CODES? WHAT CAN WE DO? AND THERE WERE SOME CLEVER WORKAROUNDS YOU WORKED WITH ON SOME OF THESE CONDO OWNERS ON BEING ABLE TO GET PARTIAL COVERAGE.
I THINK IN MOST PEOPLE'S MINDS, THEY WERE THINKING, I'M GOING TO PLUG UP THE VENTS IN MY GARAGE, AND I'M GOING TO USE THESE FLOOD PANELS ALL OVER TO PROTECT MY HOME.
AND THAT WOULD NOT WORK AFTER, YOU KNOW, MORE THAN A FEW INCHES FOR SAFETY REASONS, BECAUSE THESE CINDER BLOCK STRUCTURES ARE NOT BUILT TO TO HANDLE LATERAL PRESSURES LIKE THAT.
BUT YOU WERE ABLE TO FIND A WAY WITH WORKING WITH SOME OF THESE CLEVER CONDO OWNERS ON SAYING, OKAY, WELL, CAN I PROTECT MY ELEVATOR SHAFTS? BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE ELEVATORS ARE PROBABLY THE LAST THING THAT CAME UP AFTER THE FLOODS.
I MEAN, PEOPLE DIDN'T REALIZE HOW SCOTCH TAPED THE, YOU KNOW, UNIQUE PARTS WERE BY ELEVATOR, AND THEY TOOK OVER A YEAR, MAYBE TWO YEARS TO, TO ACTUALLY GET BACK INTO FUNCTION.
SO IF YOU CAN PROTECT THOSE, THAT'S A GOOD THING.
AND THEN I AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD FIRST STEP TO DO IT.
ALSO, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT MIGHT BE HANDY AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S ON YOUR RADAR SCREEN AT ALL TO GO TO THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL MEETING TO DISSEMINATE THE INFORMATION AND SORT OF WALK THROUGH WITH REAL LIVE EXAMPLES OF WHAT YOU ARE GETTING SUBMITTED TO THE CITY FOR FOR AS, AS ENGINEERING ANALYSIS TO SAY THAT THESE PANELS ARE SAFE TO GO UP 2345 SIX FEET.
THE GOOD THE GOOD NEWS IS, IS THIS CONVERSATION IS NOW TAKING PLACE ALL OVER THE STATE.
I MEAN, I THINK NAPLES WAS REALLY GROUND ZERO BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAD WE HAD IAN AND THEN SOME PEOPLE STARTED TO, YOU KNOW, SEE THESE PRODUCTS, LOOK INTO IT AND TALK.
AND THEN THEN WE HAD TWO MORE FLOOD EVENTS, RIGHT, RIGHT ON THE HEELS.
SO OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, SEEING THESE THINGS FIRSTHAND, THESE THESE FLOOD EVENTS FIRSTHAND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S YOU KNOW, AN IMPORTANCE.
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AND PEOPLE REALIZE THAT, HEY, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THINGS I CAN DO AND I NEED TO LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THREE FLOODS AND TWO YEARS IS IS A LOT.RIGHT? SO BUT THIS CONVERSATION IS HAPPENING ALL OVER NOW AND IT'S IT'S KIND OF EXPANDED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IT'S THERE IS STUFF YOU CAN DO.
THERE ARE CONSIDERATIONS TO MAKE. AND SO, SO IT'S GREAT THAT THIS CONVERSATION IS HAPPENING AND, AND YES, BY ALL MEANS, I'M HAPPY THAT WENT TO THE HOA MEETINGS PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL BEFORE.
WE'LL DO IT AGAIN. AND WE ALSO HAVE TAKEN THE FIRST STEP OF GETTING TOGETHER WITH THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE AND PUBLIC INFORMATION JUST LAST WEEK AND HAD A MEETING TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE OUR OPTIONS AND HOW WE CAN GET MORE INFORMATION OUT, BOTH WITH OUR CITY WEBSITE AND, YOU KNOW, AND OUR WEBSITE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, EACH, EACH AND REACHING THE PUBLIC WITH, WITH MORE INFORMATION.
SO WE ARE WORKING ON THAT. AND, AND THERE IS A LOT MORE CONVERSATION TO HAVE COMING.
I THINK THAT'S GREAT. I THINK PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR SOLUTIONS.
I KNOW EVERY ONE OF US IN THE ROOM WOULD LOVE TO WRAP UP PANELS AROUND THEIR HOUSE AND, YOU KNOW, BE SAFE BECAUSE WE ARE. WE'RE NOT THAT FAR AWAY FROM SEA LEVEL, EVEN IF YOU ARE IN A ZONE.
AND BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO HAVE A LEVEL SET OF, YOU KNOW, SOLID EXAMPLES OF CREATIVE WORKAROUNDS, WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY SEEING IN THE CITY AND AND, AND SHARING SOME OF THESE BEST PRACTICES ON PARTIAL PROTECTION AND EVEN NEW TECHNOLOGIES.
I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN ROOTING AROUND, LOOKING AT TECHNOLOGIES THAT DON'T EVEN ATTACH TO HOMES WHICH GIVES OPENS UP A WHOLE NEW FIELD THAT CAN BE VERY, VERY EXPENSIVE AND, AND MAY NOT WORK, BUT IT COULD WORK.
A KEY PART OF IT IS JUST KNOWING. KNOWING ALSO THAT WHAT ARE THE LIMITATIONS AND WHAT'S REALISTIC AND WHAT TO EXPECT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YEAH, IT'D BE NICE TO JUST SAY WRAP YOURSELF AROUND WITH THESE PANELS AND YOU'RE GOOD. BUT THE REALITY IS QUITE THE OPPOSITE.
YOU MIGHT GET SOME PROTECTION TO DO SOME AT SOME SOME BUILDINGS, BUT IT'S LIMITED.
YOU HAVE YOU HAVE LIMITATIONS ON EXISTING BUILDINGS.
SO PEOPLE NEED TO TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S POSSIBLE, WHAT'S REALISTIC AND WHAT WHAT COULD THEY DO TO TO PROTECT THEMSELVES AGAINST SOME RISK? IT'S EYE OPENING TO SEE THE WHOLE FOUNDATIONS BEING LIFTED UP FROM SOME.
FROM AN EVENT LIKE THIS. WHEN YOU DO PLUG IT UP WITH WITH FLOOD PANELS.
AND THEN IT WAS SHOCKING TO ME HOW MUCH THE BUILDING CODE HAS IMPROVED, THAT SOME OF THESE CONDOS ARE ON FOUR INCH CEMENT SLABS, NOT WITH REBAR, BUT WITH WIRE, IS THAT I THINK THAT'S WHAT I WAS HEARING, WHICH WAS, YOU KNOW, TO ME IS A LITTLE SCARY. I'M PUTTING A FLOOD PANEL UP THAT'S FOUR FEET HIGH AROUND THAT STRUCTURE.
YEAH, I DO THINK THIS MIGHT DEPENDING ON HOW MANY MORE PERMITS THAT I KNOW THAT ARE OUT THERE THAT YOU'RE STILL WORKING ON, WHETHER IT'S SOMETHING BECAUSE I HAVE A LOT OF UNKNOWNS FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT CONDO BUILDINGS THAT WE MIGHT HAVE TO HAVE A WORKSHOP AND NOT SOMETHING OF OUTREACH. SO WE CAN FOLLOW UP WITH MR. YOUNG ON THAT.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT TAKES US TO TEAM PLANNING.
GOOD AFTERNOON. ERICA MARTIN, PLANNING DIRECTOR.
WE HAVE FOR TEAM PLANNING. WE HAVE THE THE MAJOR THINGS THAT WE'LL BE OFFERING HERE ARE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE THAT WE'RE IN WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF THAT RIGHT NOW. AND AS WE'VE HAD PLENTY OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT THE COMP PLAN I THINK RESILIENCY HAS BECOME THE MAJOR THEME OF THIS UPDATE AND HOW IT WILL BE FACTORED INTO EVERY ELEMENT. NOT JUST ONE MENTION OF RESILIENCY, BUT WE WILL.
WE WILL WHAT? YOU'RE SMILING AT ME. OH, NO. OH, OKAY.
BUT HOW? RESILIENCY WILL BE WORKED IN TO ALL THE ELEMENTS AS WE UPDATE THEM FOLLOWING THE UPDATE OF THE COMP PLAN WE EXPECT SOME KIND OF A MAJOR OVERHAUL OF THE CODE. SO WE'LL HAVE TO CHANGE THE CODE OF ORDINANCES IN THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE TO REFLECT ANY OF THE CHANGES THAT WE MAKE IN THE COMP PLAN.
SO WE ANTICIPATE A LOT OF THE CHANGES THAT YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT TODAY. WE WILL BE CHANGING IN THE, IN THE CODE. AND THOSE WOULD ALSO BE ZONING CHANGES.
THIS IS AN ORDINANCE THAT WE PASSED THAT YOU PASSED ACTUALLY IN 2024.
AND THIS IS AMENDING THE REGULATIONS RELATING TO THE FLOODPLAIN.
SO IF IN SOME INSTANCES, THE FINISHED FLOOR ELEVATION ACTUALLY WENT DOWN IN THE UPDATE OF THE MAPS, REMEMBER, THESE MAPS WERE UPDATED IN SO IN IN THAT INSTANCE, IF YOU ARE ONE OF THOSE PROPERTIES WHERE YOUR FINISHED FLOOR ACTUALLY WENT DOWN,
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WE WOULD ALLOW YOU TO USE THE HIGHER. AND THE REASON THAT IS A PLANNING ISSUE IS BECAUSE IT AFFECTS HOW YOUR MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS MEASURED.SO WE TALKED HAD A CONVERSATION WHEN STEVE WAS UP HERE ABOUT ARE THERE CHANGES THAT YOU CAN MAKE.
CURRENTLY YOU CAN SET YOUR FINISHED FLOOR WHEREVER YOU WANT.
I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A MINIMUM, FEMA ESTABLISHES A MINIMUM, BUT THERE'S NOT A MAXIMUM.
SO YOU COULD CHOOSE TO SET YOUR FINISHED FLOOR FIVE FEET HIGHER THAN WHAT YOUR BASE ELEVATION IS.
HOWEVER, THE REASON PEOPLE DON'T DO THAT IS BECAUSE I ON THE PLANNING SIDE, WHEN I REVIEW YOUR BUILDING PERMIT FOR ZONING COMPLIANCE, I MEASURE THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF YOUR STRUCTURE FROM THAT WHAT WE CALL THE FEMALE ELEVATION OR DESIGN FLOOD.
SO WHEN YOU HAVE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT CAN WE RAISE FINISHED FLOOR HEIGHTS? JUST ALWAYS KEEP IN THE BACK OF YOUR MIND WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT INCENTIVIZING PEOPLE TO DO THAT, THAT'S THAT'S THE REASON PEOPLE WOULDN'T DO THAT.
SO WE PASSED THIS IN 2024, AND WE ARE SO EXCITED ABOUT IT THAT WE GAVE YOU TWO SLIDES.
OH NO, JUST THE ONE. JUST THE ONE ON THE THING.
BUT THAT'S REALLY WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR. AND THEN WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF THE COMP PLAN UPDATE.
SO WE HAVE AARON DD AS PART OF OUR TEAM ON WITH THE JOHNSON ENGINEERING.
AND SHE IS THE RESILIENCY EXPERT ESSENTIALLY IN FLORIDA.
OKAY. COUNCIL MEMBER KRISEMAN. I JUST WANT TO EMPHASIZE SOMETHING THAT COUNCILWOMAN PETRANOFF ALLUDED TO A MOMENT AGO, WHICH IS IT'S IT'S ON THIS SUBJECT OF WHERE CAN WE AMEND THE CODE TO BENEFIT RESIDENTS WHO WANT TO REDEVELOP OR REBUILD OR JUST STAY IN THEIR OWN HOME? YOU KNOW, TALKING TO THE INDUSTRY IS IS ABSOLUTELY VITAL.
AND WHEN I SAY INDUSTRY, I'M TALKING ABOUT BUILDERS, CONTRACTORS, ARCHITECTS AND, AND BECAUSE THEY, THEY KNOW WHERE THE OBSTACLES ARE AS WELL AS ANYBODY DOES.
BUT IT'S IT IT IT IDENTIFIES WHERE THE BARRIERS ARE IN AS QUICKLY AS ANYTHING DOES.
AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD SOME OUTREACH, BUT I WOULD I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS OF THE PUBLIC INPUT SCHEDULE THAT WE'RE CONTEMPLATING FOR. I DON'T KNOW THE DETAILS OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT MAKING SURE WE ESPECIALLY ON THE RESILIENCY PLANNING PART OF IT, ENGAGE THAT PART OF THE COMMUNITY IS REALLY IMPORTANT, I THINK.
SO MANY REGULATIONS WHEN WE REVIEW BUILDING PERMITS, THERE ARE DEFINITELY POINTS ALREADY THAT WE'RE IDENTIFYING, YOU KNOW, AS, AS EQUIPMENT IS REQUIRED TO BE ELEVATED TO FEMA. WE DON'T ACCOUNT FOR THAT IN THE CODE.
NOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PLATFORM. WELL, OUR CODE DOESN'T ADDRESS THAT PLATFORM.
SO WE KNOW THERE ARE ALREADY THINGS THAT ARE POPPING UP AS THIS HAPPENS.
MR. BECKMAN MENTIONED THE SOLAR ROOFING. THERE'S A LOT MORE EQUIPMENT THAT GOES WITH THAT.
SO NOW YOU'RE SEEING A LOT MORE EQUIPMENT ON THE SIDE OF HOMES.
WE HAVE A LOT OF HOMES IN THE CITY OF NAPLES THAT NEVER CONTEMPLATED A GENERATOR.
AND TRYING TO FIND A PLACE TO INSTALL A GENERATOR.
NOW, OUR NEWER HOMES INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE DESIGN, BUT THE OLDER HOMES DON'T.
SO I THINK WE ALREADY HAVE A LIST OF CHANGES THAT WE WILL ADDRESS.
BUT I THINK A LOT MORE OF THAT WILL COME OUT AS WE GO THROUGH THE COMP PLAN EXERCISE.
BUT DO WE NEED TO WAIT FOR THE COMP PLAN TO DO THIS? NO, I MEAN, THERE ARE A FEW WE COULD DO AHEAD OF TIME.
WE'RE FINDING, AS YOU KNOW, MR. BECKMAN WAS UP HERE.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CREATIVE WORKAROUNDS. WE'RE FINDING WAYS TO. YOU KNOW, OUR GOAL IS TO TRY TO HELP PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, PROTECT THEIR PROPERTY. SO WE'RE NOT SAYING NO TO EVERYONE.
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NOT WORKAROUNDS, BUT. OKAY. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR.YEAH. THANK YOU. ERICA, JUST REAL QUICKLY BEEN LISTENING TO YOUR PRESENTATION AND LOOKED AT THE LOWEST FLOOR ELEVATION AS WE TALK ABOUT THAT. INITIALLY THERE WAS DISCUSSION. THERE WAS COMMENTS MADE ABOUT POSSIBLE ADDRESSING ROAD, CROWN OF THE ROAD ELEVATION. DOES THE CROWN OF THE ROAD ELEVATION HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH LOWEST FLOOR ELEVATION. NOT FOR SETTING THE FINISHED FLOOR OF YOUR HOME.
IN MOST CASES, WHERE IT WHERE THE CROWN OF THE ROAD AFFECTS THESE PROPERTIES IS THE CROWN OF THE ROAD IS WHAT WE USE AS THE BASE POINT OF MEASUREMENT FOR RETAINING WALLS, FENCES, PRIVACY WALLS, ALL SORTS, PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING OTHER, ANY OTHER ENCROACHMENT OR ANYTHING BEYOND YOUR BUILDING ENVELOPE.
WE USE THE CROWN OF THE ROAD AS A BASE POINT OF MEASUREMENT FOR THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT OF ALL OF THOSE ELEMENTS. SO IF THE CROWN OF THE ROAD CHANGES, YES, THAT WOULD THAT WOULD AFFECT HOW WE MEASURE THAT FOR EVERYONE ELSE.
MY ASK IS JUST TO THINK ABOUT THAT. IF WE KNOW FOR THE PORTION OF OUR TEAM THAT'S HERE, IF WE KNOW THAT WE NEED TO RAISE THE THE ELEVATION, THE CROWN OF THE ROAD, THEN THINK ABOUT HOW WE SIGNAL THAT TO OUR COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU. YEAH. THE CROWN OF THE ROAD. WE USE THAT AS A BASE POINT BECAUSE IT'S A IT'S A CONSTANT.
SO YOU KNOW, AS YOU GO DOWN A STREET, THE IDEA IS THAT THE, THE CROWN OF THE ROAD SERVES AS A KIND OF A CONSTANT ELEVATION, BUT I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. THANK YOU. FOLLOW UP TO COME.
THE NEXT ONES. ARE YOU DOING THE NEXT TWO? MR. PUBLIC SAFETY. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANT? SO, FIRST OF ALL I'LL DEAL WITH PUBLIC SAFETY.
PUBLIC SAFETY, AS YOU CAN TELL WITH FACILITIES, IS DEALT WITH THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE PLAN.
YOU KNOW, WE'LL CONTINUE TO BAKE OUT THE PUBLIC SAFETY SPECIFIC POLICE AND FIRE.
WE'RE ADDRESSING THEIR FACILITIES, OBVIOUSLY.
BUT BUT THEY'RE ALSO ADDRESSING THINGS SUCH AS HIGH WATER VEHICLES.
AS YOU KNOW, WE JUST RECEIVED THE GRANT ON ON THE OTHER PUMPER FOR HALF OF THAT.
AND AND SO IT WAS IMPORTANT THAT WE DIDN'T MUDDY THAT UP TOO, TOO MUCH IN REGARDS TO THAT.
SO I JUST DIDN'T WANT YOU TO THINK IT WAS AN AFTERTHOUGHT. IT WAS THOUGHT OF EVERYTHING.
AND IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS NOW, ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED TO SAY IN CLOSING AND, AND KIND OF WRAPPING THIS UP, THE PRESENTATION WAS A PRESENTATION, YOU KNOW, WE KNEW IT WAS GOING TO TAKE AT LEAST I SAID, AT LEAST 3.5 HOURS. IT'S A LOT OF MATERIAL TO COVER, BUT IT WAS A LOT OF MATERIAL.
EVERYONE WAS ASKING TO BE PUT INTO ONE DOCUMENT.
RIGHT. AND BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN DOING THESE THINGS, YOU'VE BEEN DOING THESE MAKING THESE DECISIONS, AND WE NEEDED TO PUT IT IN A PLACE WHERE WE CAN GO THROUGH IT.
IT HAS IT IS A READING MATERIAL, IT IS A REFERENCE MATERIAL.
AND WHEN A NEW THING COMES UP, IT SHOULD BE PLACED IN HERE.
AND HOW HOW IS THAT PATH BEING FOLLOWED? RIGHT.
AND IT WAS ON PAGE 12 AND 13 WHERE YOU REFERENCED THE 41, BUT IT'S ACTUALLY 100 AND SOME.
I NEED TO GET CLARIFICATION ON THAT PART OF IT, BUT THE OPERATION AND MAINTENANCE PART IS ESSENTIAL TO THIS, NOT THE PRESENTATION. IT'S THAT WE ARE PUTTING A CAMERA IN THESE PIPES.
WE NEED TO KNOW WHICH ONES NEED TO BE CLEANED.
SO THAT'S THE KIND OF THING I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU, AS MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, WHEN YOU TAKE NOT THE PRESENTATION OUT, BUT THE DOCUMENT ITSELF OUT, IS TO SAY, ALL RIGHT, WHERE'S THERE A HOLE? RIGHT. WHERE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT I'VE BEEN DISCUSSING WITH SOMEBODY ELSE? AND I DON'T SEE IT ADDRESSED HERE. WE WANT THAT FEEDBACK BECAUSE THAT'S THE ONLY WAY WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THIS BETTER.
THE OTHER THING I TRY TO DO HERE IS I TRY TO IDENTIFY TO YOU WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WE'RE ONE GOVERNMENT, BUT WE DON'T GET FUNDED EQUALLY. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT, THERE ARE LAWS, THERE ARE RULES AND THERE ARE THERE ARE RESTRICTIONS IN HOW YOU SPEND MONEY IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT STORMWATER.
AND WE TALK ABOUT FIRE FOR THAT'S 30 MILLION FOR FOR THAT BUILDING.
THERE'S A FINITE AMOUNT OF MONEY FOR ALL OF THESE PURPOSES.
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YOU, BUT THE RESIDENTS TO UNDERSTAND THE SIZE AND SCALE OF THE UNDERTAKING.WHEN YOU GET TO CERTAIN SECTIONS, AND SPECIFICALLY WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT STORMWATER AND YOU SAY, WELL, WE'VE OUTLINED 282 MILLION IN BASIN IMPROVEMENTS IN THE NEXT 20 YEARS.
OKAY. BUT IT'S ON THE BACK OF A FUND THAT GENERATES 8.6 MILLION.
AND SO IF WE'RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING OVER A DURATION OF TIME, WE NEED TO HAVE A HARD CONVERSATION BOTH ABOUT THE THE STORMWATER RATES OR OTHER FUNDING MECHANISMS. BUT I ALSO WANTED THIS DOCUMENT TO PROVE TO BE REALISTIC IN THAT YOU ALSO HAVE PULLS FROM OTHER GOVERNMENTAL EXPENDITURES.
RIGHT. IT'S THE IT'S THE STREETS YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN.
IT'S THE FIRE STATION YOU HAVE TO MAINTAIN. IT'S THE EQUIPMENT YOU HAVE TO REPLACE.
SO THEY HAVE THEIR OWN FUNDING AND THEY CAN'T YOU CAN'T JUST TAKE IT FROM THERE EITHER.
SO FUND ACCOUNTING MATTERS AND THE OBSTACLES ON EACH TYPE OF FUND MATTERS.
AND THAT'S WHY I TRIED TO PINPOINT THOSE THINGS FOR YOU THROUGHOUT HERE AS WELL.
WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MANY MORE CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS.
AND SO I'LL TRY TO BE REALLY BRIEF. NOW LOOK, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO PILLAR ONE, PILLAR TWO AND PILLAR THREE. PILLAR THREE IS WITHIN OUR CONTROL.
IT IS WITHIN OUR CONTROL TO ESTABLISH REVENUE STREAMS, TO DEAL WITH THE PREPONDERANCE OF THAT, AND LEVERAGE IT WITH FEDERAL AND STATE PARTNERS TO HELP US GO FURTHER.
THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE NEED TO DO. IN ADDITION TO THAT, REINVIGORATING DISCUSSIONS WITH OTHER PARTIES, MEANING THE COUNTY. YOU KNOW, I WENT TO DISCUSSIONS WITH THE COUNTY ON PORT ROYAL BEACH WITH THE RESIDENTS.
I'VE WHEN COLONEL BOWMAN WAS HERE WITH ARMY CORPS OF ENGINEERS ON THE PIER, I DIDN'T WASTE THAT OPPORTUNITY AND SAY, LOOK, CAN WE HAVE A SEPARATE CONVERSATION WHEN THIS IS DONE SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A CONVERSATION ON RESILIENCY AND THE STUDY THAT HASN'T THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, STOPPED AND EVERYTHING. SO IT'S BUILDING UPON THOSE RELATIONSHIPS.
ONE'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN WITHOUT THE OTHER. BUT WE ARE TAKING CARE OF THE STUFF IN OUR PILLARS THAT WE CAN MEANING THE INLAND STUFF THAT WE CONTROL, ENGAGING OUR PARTNERS, TRYING TO MAXIMIZE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.
I THINK THAT WE CAN GO A LONG WAY IN BEING ENGAGED.
AND I'M I DO WANT I THINK MR. SCHULTZ IS ACCURATE ON ONE THING.
THAT'S GOING TO BE A PIVOTAL POINT. AND MAKE NO MISTAKE.
FIRST, I WANT TO THANK EVERY MEMBER OF STAFF THAT WORKED ON THIS.
YOU KNOW, IT WAS IT'S A IT WAS A PAINFUL EFFORT, BUT IT WAS A NECESSARY EFFORT AT TIMES.
BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS GIVES US A MAP TO GO THROUGH, WALK THROUGH IT TOGETHER, TAKE A PATH.
BUT COMING HOME TO THE ROADMAP OF WHERE IT BELONGS NOW, WHERE DOES IT BELONG? IN THE RESILIENCY PLAN? WHAT ARE WE ACCOMPLISHING AND HOW MANY? HOW MANY? HOW DO I SAY THIS FINGERS? DOES IT HAVE RIGHT? THAT'S THE CONVERSATION ON THE CODE CHANGES AND WHAT WE CAN DO TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
AND AND ERICA AND NATALIE WILL EVEN TELL YOU THAT IN MY MEETINGS THEY SAID, LOOK, IF AARON IS THE FOREMOST EXPERT WORKING ON OUR COMP PLAN, AND FROM ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES, IF WE NEED TO RETAIN HER WHEN THIS COMP PLAN IS DONE TO MAKE SURE OUR R CODE AND THE RESILIENCY CODE NOT ONLY WHAT WE'RE DOING AND DEMANDING ON OUR RESIDENTS, BUT ALSO WHAT WE'RE PUTTING IN PLACE FOR OUR OWN FACILITIES.
AND I'LL JUST SAY THAT I HOPE THIS ENCAPSULATES WHAT ALL YOU'VE DONE IN THE LAST, YOU KNOW, 6 TO 8 YEARS ENCAPSULATES THE OBSTACLES WE HAVE IN FRONT OF US, BUT DOES PUT A FAIR BEGINNING ROADMAP TO SAY HOW WE CAN GET TO THE FUTURE.
SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. I APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S EFFORTS, AND I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT.
THANK YOU. IT TOOK 4.5 HOURS FOR WHAT YOU THOUGHT WAS GOING TO BE THREE HOURS.
AND THANK YOU. OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S IT IS A ROAD MAP, AND YOU KNOW, EACH PIECE WILL BE ROLLED OUT.
CAN I ASK? I JUST WANT TO ADD A COUPLE MORE THINGS.
I'M SORRY I DIDN'T LOOK OVER AT MY NOTES, BUT STAFFING AND AVAILABILITY.
I MENTIONED THE OUTSIDE CONTRACT. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE THE PREDOMINANT AREAS WHERE I'M GOING TO NEED STAFFING, WE'RE GOING TO NEED STAFFING AS A CITY. YOU KNOW, IS IN THE STORMWATER AND IN THE WATER DEPARTMENT THE AMOUNT OF PROJECTS WE HAVE GOING BETWEEN THE UNDERGROUNDING EXCUSE ME, THE SEPTIC TO SEWER PROJECTS, THE, THE, THE MASTER PLAN PROJECTS,
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THE STORMWATER AND STREET PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE BOTH UNDERNEATH THE TIME, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT IT AT BUDGET WORKSHOP AND EVERYTHING, BUT I'LL BE COMING TO YOU IN AT THE END OF OCTOBER OR FIRST MEETING IN NOVEMBER TO REALLY BAKE OUT SOME NEEDS IN THOSE TWO DEPARTMENTS, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO WE'RE NOT GOING TO CONTINUE TO TACKLE THESE INFRASTRUCTURE AND RESILIENCY EFFORTS WITHOUT THOSE THOSE PERSONNEL DECISIONS.SO THANK YOU. PERSONNEL IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO FULFILL ALL OF THESE PROJECTS.
SO I THINK YOU'LL HAVE OUR SUPPORT ON THAT. OKAY.
COUNCIL, JUST TO LAY OUT THE REST OF THE DAY.
THANK YOU, MR. MIDDLETON. THANK YOU, STAFF, FOR ALL YOUR EFFORTS AND RESILIENCY.
AND MOVING FORWARD WE HAVE FIVE MORE ITEMS. AND IF WE ONLY GIVE EACH ITEM A HALF AN HOUR WE'LL BE AT 4:00 IF WE TAKE A 20 MINUTE BREAK OR UNTIL 130. SO PLEASE BE MINDFUL OF THAT.
MAKING IT 4:00 THIS AFTERNOON. THAT IS, IF WE CAN LIMIT THEM TO A HALF AN HOUR.
AND THEN WE HAVE OUR 505 SPECIAL AND FINAL BUDGET HEARING.
SO WITH THAT, WE WILL TAKE A 20 MINUTE BREAK AND BACK WITH ITEM FIVE B.
OKAY. WE'RE BACK. IT'S 135 FROM LUNCH AND COUNCIL.
WE'RE GOING TO TAKE FIVE B AFTER FIVE E WE'RE GOING TO START WITH FIVE E, WHICH IS THE COMPLETE STREETS POLICY. SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THE CODE SAYS AND THEN GO FORWARD WITH FIVE C FIVE E AND THEN WE'LL GO 5C5D, OKAY.
ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT. I DON'T MAYOR CITY COUNCIL.
[5.E. Discussion and Review of Complete Streets Policy. (Bob Middleton, Director of Public Works)]
DAN. GOOD AFTERNOON, DAN LOEWENSTEIN, CITY ENGINEER AND HERE TO SPEAK WITH YOU ALL TODAY AND GIVE A REVIEW OF THE COMPLETE STREET POLICY WITH ME. TO MY LEFT IS DOCTOR GEORGE YILMAZ, OUR DIRECTOR OF CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.SO WHAT IS A COMPLETE STREET? A COMPLETE STREET IS AN APPROACH TO PLANNING, DESIGNING AND BUILDING STREETS THAT ENABLE SAFE ACCESS FOR ALL USERS, INCLUDING PEDESTRIANS, BICYCLISTS, MOTORISTS AND TRANSIT RIDERS OF ALL AGES AND ABILITIES.
EACH ONE IS UNIQUE AND RESPONDS TO ITS COMMUNITY CONTEXT.
SO THIS QUOTE COMES FROM SMART GROWTH AMERICA.
THEY DEFINED AND STARTED THE COMPLETE STREET MOVEMENT BACK IN 2003, AND OVER 1700 CITIES AND MUNICIPALITIES HAVE ADOPTED COMPLETE STREETS, RESOLUTIONS OR POLICIES SINCE THEN.
OF COURSE, THERE'S A STAIR IN THE MIDDLE OF IT, AND THEN WE'VE GOT A RAISED CROSSWALK, AND IT WAS DESIGNED SO THAT THE CARTS COULD GO IN BETWEEN THE IN BETWEEN THE STEPPING STONES. SO SAME ISSUES THAT WE HAVE TODAY.
AND THEN IF YOU PRESS FORWARD INTO THE FUTURE, IT'S THE EARLY INDUSTRIAL AREA ERA.
YOU'VE GOT NEW VEHICLES TO DESIGN FOR NEW UTILITIES.
SO THIS IS FROM THE PLAN FOR BARCELONA. AND YOU CAN SEE THIS STREET CROSS SECTION HAS IN MIND FOR PEDESTRIANS, CARTS, HORSES AND EVEN STREET TREES AS WELL AS ALL THE MODERN UTILITIES.
SO IT'S A IT'S A SO IT'S A NEW IT'S ALWAYS A, IT'S ALWAYS AN ISSUE.
IT'S ALWAYS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT WITH CITIES. HOW DO WE FIT THE WHOLE PROGRAM IN THE CONTEXT OF A SINGLE STREET? AND FUNDAMENTALLY IT'S AN ISSUE OF GOOD DESIGN VERSUS BAD DESIGN, WHICH I TAKE TO BE OBJECTIVE? ONE OF THESE CLEARLY WORKS BETTER AS A DINING ROOM TABLE THAN THE OTHER.
THE KEY THING IS A GOOD DESIGN CONSIDERS THE PEOPLE WHO WILL USE WHO WILL USE THE PRODUCT.
YEAH. ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THAT FDOT ADOPTED THEIR COMPLETE STREET POLICY IN 2014 TO INCORPORATE THE NEEDS OF CYCLISTS, FREIGHT, MOTORISTS, PEDESTRIANS AND TRANSIT RIDERS.
AND THAT WHEN FDOT DOES A PLANNING PROJECT, THEY HAVE A WHOLE PLANNING LAB THAT DOES A CONCEPT TO FIGURE OUT HOW BEST TO ACCOMMODATE ALL THE DIFFERENT USERS ON THE STREET. YEAH. SO CITY OF NAPLES, WE ADOPTED OUR COMPLETE STREET RESOLUTION 15 DASH 13719,
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WHICH STATES THE CITY WILL INCORPORATE A FLEXIBLE COMPLETE STREETS PROGRAM INTO THE DESIGN, DEVELOPMENT, CONSTRUCTION, OPERATION, MAINTENANCE, AND IMPLEMENTATION OF POLICIES AND PROGRAMS AFFECTING ALL CITY PROPERTY, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO PARKS AND ROADWAYS, TO CREATE A CONNECTED NETWORK OF FACILITIES ACCOMMODATING ALL USERS.AND THEN IN A MORE THOUGHTFUL DESIGN WE'VE GOT SOMETHING FOR EVERYBODY.
SO YEAH. SO TO WALK THROUGH HIGHLIGHTS OF THE RESOLUTION IT STATES WE MUST INCORPORATE THE APPROACH OF COMPLETE STREETS INTO THE COMP PLAN AND OTHER APPLICABLE PLANS. IT STATES ALL ROAD PROJECTS SHOULD BE DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE ALL USERS, AND THAT CONTEXT BASED PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE FACILITIES WILL, WHERE PRACTICAL, BE ESTABLISHED IN NEW CONSTRUCTION, RECONSTRUCTION, REPAVING AND REHABILITATION. FURTHER, IT STATES WE SHOULD DEVELOP A PROGRAM FOR COMPLETE STREETS.
THIS INCLUDES USING THE PRINCIPLES AS PART OF OUR TRANSPORTATION PROGRAM, ADDRESSING THE NEEDS OF ALL USERS AT EACH PHASE OF A PROJECT, CONSIDERING LOW IMPACT DEVELOPMENT, AND AND CANOPY TREES WITH A CONCEPT PLAN.
WE SHOULD BALANCE THE TRANSPORTATION NEEDS WITH COMMUNITY VALUES, FISCAL CONSTRAINT, PUBLIC SAFETY, ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, AND HISTORIC PRESERVATION.
FURTHER, WE SHOULD ESTABLISH A CROSS CITY REVIEW TEAM, REPORT HOW MUCH SIDEWALKS AND PATHWAYS ARE ADDED EACH YEAR, AND USE COMMON REFERENCES FOR THE IN DRAFTING THE BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN MASTER PLAN.
LASTLY, IT SHOULD REQUIRE CONTRACTORS AND CONSULTANTS TO FOLLOW THE COMPLETE STREET APPROACH.
THE CITY WILL COOPERATE WITH OUR NEIGHBORING MUNICIPALITIES FOR THE COMPLETE STREET APPROACH.
SO. COUNCIL. IN LOOKING AT WHAT RESOLUTION THE COUNCIL SIGNED IN 2015, I'D LIKE TO JUST TALK ABOUT FROM A PLANNING POINT OF VIEW, HOW WE'VE IMPLEMENTED COMPLETE STREETS. I WILL USE ONE EXAMPLE IS EIGHTH A BEAUTIFUL STREET THAT WAS REDONE SO THAT WE COULD ADD A SAFE BIKE LANE AS SIDEWALKS. AND THAT WAS PLANNING WHERE I HAVE ALWAYS HAD KIND OF A QUESTION CONCERN.
I'VE TALKED TO ALISON ABOUT IT FOR YEARS IS HOW DO WE INCORPORATE BIKE LANES OR SAFETY ROUTES FROM NEIGHBORHOODS TO COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS AND KNOW THAT A VISITOR THAT COMES TO NAPLES THAT STAYS IN A HOTEL AND WANTS TO RIDE A BIKE TO THIRD OR FIFTH OR VENETIAN VILLAGE OR ANYWHERE ELSE THROUGHOUT THE DISTRICTS IN TOWN.
HOW WHAT'S THE ROUTE? DO WE HAVE A ROUTE FOR THEM? AND ALSO FOR NEIGHBORHOODS. CAN SOMEONE IN OLD NAPLES GET TO THE NAPLES BEACH HOTEL, VENETIAN VILLAGE, OR TO THE SHOPPING AREAS BY BIKE? WHERE I FIND THIS DISCUSSION TO BE VERY IMPORTANT IS WHERE ARE WE? WHAT HAVE WE DONE? AND HOW CAN WE MAKE IT BETTER AND SAFER FOR PEDESTRIANS? FROM 2015 TO 2025, THERE'S BEEN AN ENORMOUS CHANGE ON OUR STREETS AND OUR ROADS AND A NEED FOR COMPLETE STREETS WITH SIDEWALKS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN WALK SAFELY.
BUT NOW WE HAVE VISITORS WHO DON'T UNDERSTAND OUR GRID OR HOW TO GET AROUND THE COMMUNITY.
BUT MY CONCERN RIGHT NOW IS THE SAFETY OF OUR STREETS FOR OUR PEDESTRIANS.
AND I'LL USE SECOND AVENUE AS AN EXAMPLE. THAT IS A TRUCK ROUTE.
IT IS DOES NOT HAVE A BIKE LANE. IT HAS A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF SPACE FOR A BICYCLE.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THIRD WHERE YOU HAVE PARKING ON PARALLEL PARKING ON THE STREET
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AND WE DO HAVE A SHERO. WE DO HAVE SIDEWALKS.HOWEVER, IT'S A VERY DANGEROUS STREET FOR BIKERS AND FOR WALKERS.
WALKERS ARE OKAY. BUT NOW WE HAVE AND I'LL JUST USE THAT.
I READ THROUGH SOME OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS.
THEY WANT SPEED BUMPS. YOU KNOW, YOU IT'S IN YOUR PACKET.
TRAFFIC AND SPEEDS ARE HAVE BECOME A PROBLEM.
SO AS I HAVE SAID AS A CONCERN IS THE MULTIMODAL.
AND OUR CITY ATTORNEY WILL KEEP ME STRAIGHT BECAUSE MULTIMODAL VERSUS MICROMOBILITY.
AND THOSE TERMS NEED TO BE REALLY CLARIFIED FOR COUNCIL.
SO WE UNDERSTAND WHAT WE'RE REFERRING TO WHEN WE GO INTO THE NEXT TWO ITEMS. BUT WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THESE STREETS, HOW DO WE ACCOMMODATE THE CHANGES IN TRANSPORTATION.
AND WHEN WE LOOK AT COMPLETE STREETS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT REALLY LOOKING AT, JUST FROM MY OPINION, UP FOR DISCUSSION ON MASS TRANSIT FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
WE'RE LOOKING FOR JUST WHAT WE SEE NOW IS A SAFE WAY TO BIKE AND AND WALK FOR CONNECTIVITY.
I LOOK THROUGH THESE, THESE NATIONAL GUIDELINES AND I'M NOT SURE HOW THEY FIT INTO OUR COMMUNITY, BUT I THINK THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO DISCUSS.
ESPECIALLY WITH THE CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE. EVEN COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON BROUGHT IT UP ON HOW WE SHARE THESE ROADS WITH THE NEW TRENDS OF E-BIKES AND THOSE ARE THE OTHER TWO TOPICS WE'LL HAVE AFTER THIS. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T I REALLY WANT TO JUST GIVE DIRECTION, HAVE A CONVERSATION, HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE WE ARE WITH COMPLETE STREETS AND GIVE DIRECTION AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT TWO VICE MAYOR.
YEAH. JUST REAL QUICKLY MANY OF YOU ARE PROBABLY BECOMING MORE AND MORE FAMILIAR WITH IA I'M SORRY, AI TYPE TECHNOLOGY, AND I USE CHATGPT AND I JUST PUT IN HERE WHAT ARE THE BICYCLE ROUTES IN NAPLES, FLORIDA. AND I'M GOING TO MENTION THIS, GO QUICKLY OVER IT AND THEN JUST HAVE A RECOMMENDATION.
BUT IT SAYS HERE ARE SEVERAL BIKE POPULAR BIKE CYCLING ROUTES AND TRAILS IN AND AROUND NAPLES, FLORIDA, PLUS USEFUL INFORMATION TO HELP YOU CHOOSE WHAT MIGHT SUIT YOUR WRITING STYLE BEST.
AND IT SAYS, IF YOU TELL ME WHAT KIND OF ROAD TRAIL.
DISTANCE, SCENERY. THEY CAN NARROW IT FURTHER.
BUT THE RESPONSE, THE INITIAL RESPONSE ON CHATGPT IT CAME BACK WITH THE GORDON RIVER GREENWAY, BAKER PARK VIA THE GORDON RIVER GREENWAY, GULF SHORE BOULEVARD, VANDERBILT DRIVE, PELICAN BAY AREA, AND THEN IT GAVE SEVERAL ROAD AND LOOP RIDES FOR EXERCISE OR LONGER DISTANCE NAPLES PIER TO VANDERBILT BEACH, VANDERBILT BEACH FROM SUN TERRACE AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.
AND THEN IT SAYS NAPLES HAS OVER 30 MILES OF BICYCLE PATHWAYS AND CYCLE FRIENDLY ROADWAYS.
THE CITY'S USING ENHANCED GREEN BIKE LANE PANELS 20 FOOT LONG.
AND THEN THERE ARE PUBLISHED BIKE PEDESTRIAN MAPS, INCLUDING THE 2020 NAPLES BIKE MAPS.
SO MY POINT IS THIS THAT COMMUNICATING. AND WE HAVE SUBJECT MATTER EXPERTS WITH BICYCLE CLUBS ORGANIZATIONS HERE, BUT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE USING THESE DEVICES AND CHATGPT AND THINGS LIKE IT TO SEEK ANSWERS FOR THEIR FAMILIES, INDIVIDUALS. AND TO THE EXTENT WE MAKE SURE WE'RE UPDATING THESE TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY WITH OUR COMMUNICATION DEPARTMENT OR WHOEVER IS APPROPRIATE FOR OUR CITY MANAGER.
THIS IS POWERFUL STUFF. SO THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR.
OKAY. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR DISCUSSION? I. I DO WANT TO BRING UP MICHELLE ARVOLA FROM THE NAPLES PATHWAYS COALITION.
I KNOW SHE WANTS TO SPEAK ON AN ITEM THAT'S NEXT, BUT I THINK IT RELATES TO COMPLETE STREETS ALSO.
AND THE SAFETY FOR OUR BIKERS AND OUR WALKERS AND OUR COMMUNITY.
SO WELCOME. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU AND A COUPLE OF TOPICS, BECAUSE I HAVE THREE MORE MEETINGS THAT I HAVE TO RUN TO ON COMPLETE STREETS.
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YES, OBVIOUSLY WE NEED COMPLETE STREETS BECAUSE EVERYBODY NEEDS TO GET AROUND.NOT JUST PEOPLE IN CARS OR PEOPLE WALKING OR PEOPLE BIKING, BUT EVERYBODY.
SO I THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO MAKE THAT A FOCUS.
WE HAVE CONTINUED TO MAKE AVAILABLE THE COUNTY WIDE MAPS THAT IDENTIFY WHERE THERE'S BIKE LANES, SIDEWALKS, MULTI-USE PATHWAYS UPDATED FOR THIS PAST YEAR.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE THOSE OUT AND ABOUT. WE WERE DISAPPOINTED WE DID NOT GET IN ON THE CITY'S OPPORTUNITY TO HELP WITH FUNDING FOR IT. SO WE HAD TO PICK UP THE OTHER, OTHER HALF.
BUT BECAUSE THESE MAPS ARE REALLY USEFUL AND RELIED UPON BY THE RESIDENTS AS WELL AS VISITORS, WE'VE WE'VE DONE THAT. SO I'LL BE BRINGING NEW MAPS OUT SOON.
SIDEWALKS, YES, ARE MUCH TOO NARROW FOR BIKES GOING 15, 20 MILES AN HOUR WITH, YOU KNOW, MOMS AND GRANDMAS PUSHING STROLLERS AND DOGS AND WHATNOT. MULTI-USE PATHWAYS DO PROVIDE MORE SPACE TO ACCOMMODATE FASTER BICYCLES, BUT NOBODY NEEDS TO BE GOING OVER 15MPH ON A BIKE, ON A SIDEWALK. THE PROBLEM WITH THE NEW THESE E-BIKES AND E MOTOS, THEY DON'T HAVE SPEEDOMETERS, SO THEY HAVE NO IDEA HOW FAST THEY'RE GOING. THEN WHEN THEY JUST DO A LITTLE BIT OF TINKERING WITH THEM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GOING 40 AND THEY DON'T PROBABLY REALIZE IT.
WHEN THE CITY PASSED OR I'M SORRY, WHEN COLLIER COUNTY PASSED THEIR ORDINANCE.
THE BIG THING THAT I TALKED ABOUT THEN, AND I'LL SAY NOW, IS EDUCATION IS REALLY THE KEY TO THIS.
WITH ALL THE DISTRACTED DRIVERS, THE LOST DRIVERS, THE ANGRY DRIVERS, EVERYBODY ELSE.
NAPLES PATHWAYS, WE PUT OURSELVES OUT AS A RESOURCE.
WE DO EVENTS WITH FIFTH AVENUE TO PROVIDE BIKE LIGHTS AND HELMETS AND REFLECTIVE VESTS AND ALL THAT, THAT SORT OF STUFF. BUT WE'RE JUST ONE ORGANIZATION.
SO THE CITY REACHING OUT ACROSS ACROSS TO BUSINESSES WOULD BE GREAT.
THE CONSTRUCTION OVER BY THE BEACH CLUB WE HAD BEEN ASSURED THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE SAFE MOBILITY FOR PEOPLE BIKING AND WALKING. THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED. SEVERAL OF OUR MEMBERS HAVE FALLEN ON THE SIDEWALK WHILE RIDING BECAUSE OF THE LOOSE GRAVEL.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW GREG PELICAN. HE HAD BEEN A MANAGER AT NAVAL CYCLERY.
HE WAS HIT BY A TRUCK RIDING ON THE SIDEWALK WITH HIS WIFE A WEEK OR TWO AGO.
BROKE HIS CLAVICLE AND HIS RIBS. IT IS NOT SAFE.
SO THAT REALLY HAS TO BE A TOP PRIORITY TO MAKE THAT THAT TRAFFIC BE ABLE TO MOVE NOT JUST FOR CARS, NOT BUT FOR BIKES, FOR PEOPLE WALKING AND TO BE ABLE TO DO IT SAFELY.
I THINK THAT COVERED IT. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT GULF SHORE BOULEVARD? ALL THE AREA WITHIN THERE ALONG 41, THAT SIDEWALK THERE AND GOING ALL AROUND IT, THERE'S LOOSE GRAVEL, THERE'S SAND, OR THE SIDEWALK WILL BE JUST COMPLETELY BLOCKED.
IT CHANGES. SO I'M GETTING EMAILS FROM OUR MEMBERS ABOUT EVERY WEEK OR TWO.
WELL, HERE'S THE PROBLEM. AND I'VE BEEN FORWARDING THEM ON TO DAN AND ALISON.
AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TOLD, WELL, THERE'S UTILITIES BEING WORKED ON AND THAT SORT OF THING, AND THAT TAKES TIME. AND WE GET THAT. BUT PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY GETTING INJURED.
BECAUSE IT'S IT'S JUST NOT AS SAFE AS IT SHOULD BE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE CASE, BUT THE DETOUR SIGNS APPLY TO BICYCLES AS WELL.
I JUST HAVE TO SAY THAT BECAUSE IT IS TORE UP.
AND SO IF THERE'S FOLKS GOING WHERE THE OTHER THAN WHERE THE DETOUR TAKES THEM, THEN, I MEAN, THAT'S YOUR RISK. NOW, ONCE IT WHERE IT'S BLOCKED, THEN THEY'RE JUST EITHER TURNING AROUND OR TRYING TO MAKE A BREAK.
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WHAT ARE THE THINGS YOU DESCRIBE I HAVEN'T SEEN ON THE DETOUR ROUTE, BUT PERHAPS I NEED TO LOOK MORE CLOSELY FOR THAT.I JUST HAVEN'T SEEN IT. YEAH. THIS IS BY THE BEACH CLUB.
OKAY. AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. AND THANK YOU FOR ADVOCATING PETRANOFF ON THE ON THE MOTORIZED BICYCLES THAT ARE USING SIDEWALKS. IF THEY DON'T HAVE A SPEEDOMETER AND THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT SPEED THEY'RE GOING, AND WE DON'T REALLY ENFORCE THE SPEED, I THINK THAT I ASKED THE CHIEF, YOU KNOW, HOW MANY TICKETS WE'VE ISSUED AND IT'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, ALMOST NONE. HOW DO WE HOW DO YOU RECONCILE THAT TO SLOW THEM DOWN IF THEY THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE A MONITOR TO.
I MEAN, WHAT ARE THE BEST PRACTICES IN OTHER CITIES? EDUCATION. HELPING THESE, IF THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT SPEED THEY'RE GOING BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE JUST GOING. THERE ARE FREE APPS THAT YOU CAN GET ON YOUR PHONE TO TELL YOU.
SO I HAVE I HAVE ONE ON MY PHONE. JUST TRY TO CHALLENGE MYSELF FOR KNEE SURGERIES LATER.
WHO, IF I CAN GET OVER 12MPH ON MY LITTLE FOLDING BIKE, I'M FEELING LIKE IT'S A GOOD DAY.
BUT YEAH, THERE ARE APPS THAT COULD BE USED, BUT THEY'RE NOT STANDARD ON E-BIKES.
AND WHAT WE TELL THEM IS YOU'RE GOING TO BE FORCED ONTO THE ROADWAY IF YOU CAN'T SAFELY TRAVEL ON THE SIDEWALK AND REDUCE YOUR SPEED TO ACCOMMODATE EVERYBODY WHO'S MOVING THERE MUCH MORE SLOWLY.
AND THEN WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A HUGE INCREASE IN OUR INJURIES AND FATALITIES.
OKAY. AND THEN MY SECOND QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU AT SOME POINT IN TIME, ARE WE GOING TO BRING UP THE IDEA OF TEXTING AND DRIVING, OR IS THAT MORE OF A STATE LEVEL THING? I WAS THERE WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING LAST MONDAY.
YES. SO WE ARE SO FRUSTRATED. THE HOUSE SPEAKER PEREZ, HE, FOR WHATEVER REASON, IS JUST DEAD SET, OPPOSED TO HANDS FREE CELL PHONE USE LEGISLATION.
THE EXCUSE WE'RE BEING GIVEN IS GOVERNMENT SHOULDN'T BE IN IN OUR VEHICLES.
AND I'LL PAY TRAFFIC LIGHTS. AND SO BECAUSE IT APPARENTLY WOULD BE LIKE POLITICAL SUICIDE TO SPONSOR THE BILL AGAIN WHEN HE HAS BASICALLY PUT IT OUT, THIS ISN'T HAPPENING.
WE CAN'T GET BILL SPONSORS. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HEARING.
THE GENERAL MOTORS LOBBYISTS HAVE BEEN REALLY WORKING AT THAT.
ONE OF THE NATIONAL PARTNERS THAT WE WORK WITH, HE WASN'T EXACTLY GM, SO THEY'VE BEEN TRYING.
THIS LEGISLATIVE SESSION. I'VE NOT THROWN IN THE TOWEL.
I'M MEETING WITH REPS LOCALLY. TRYING TO GET IN WITH LINDA CHENEY AND WILL ROBINSON.
THOSE ARE THE TWO COMMITTEE CHAIRS THAT HAVE TO AGENDA THE BILLS IN ORDER FOR IT TO MOVE FORWARD.
THEY REFUSE LAST SESSION. SO IF WE COULD CONVINCE THEM TO, YOU KNOW, TAKE A SHOT AT IT.
SPEAKER PEREZ IS LEAVING NEXT YEAR. YOU KNOW, LIVES ARE AT STAKE.
THAT'S STILL GOING TO BE OUR MESSAGE TO TRY TO GET IT THROUGH.
BUT IT'S IT'S GOING TO BE A VERY UPHILL BATTLE.
AND ON AVERAGE, SIX PEOPLE DIE OF DISTRACTED DRIVING CRASHES IN FLORIDA EVERY DAY.
OF THE NINE AVERAGE FATALITIES, SIX ARE FROM DISTRACTION, AND IT'S ABOUT 42 PEOPLE PER DAY THAT ARE SERIOUSLY INJURED IN A DISTRACTED DRIVING CRASH.
SO I WAS TALKING WITH ONE ELECTED REP AND SHE SAID, WELL, YOU KNOW, DYING'S EASIER.
IT'S BAD FOR YOUR FAMILY. BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH PARALYSIS, LOSING A LIMB, TRAUMATIC BRAIN INJURY. I THOUGHT THAT WAS A BIT ABRUPT.
I'D RATHER NOT DIE PERSONALLY. BUT YOU ALSO HAVE TO THINK OF THOSE IMPACTS.
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PHONES. SO YEAH, IT'S HUGE. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS, DID THE PATHWAYS EVER OR THE CITY, DO WE HAVE A A HOT MAP? IT'S BEEN A COUPLE YEARS SINCE I'VE SEEN ONE ON WHERE THE CRASHES HAVE OCCURRED WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS.AND THAT CONTAINS WHERE THE CRASHES ARE THAT INCLUDE THE CITY.
SO THAT'S ON THE COLLIER MPO WEBSITE. THANK YOU.
YEP. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU WANTED TO ADD? I REALLY YOU'VE BEEN AN ADVOCATE FOR SAFE BIKING AND PEDESTRIANS, AND I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE TODAY TO SHARE YOUR OPINIONS WITH US. IT'S BEEN A WHILE SINCE YOU'VE BEEN HERE.
THE MAPS THAT YOU MENTIONED WHERE WHERE ARE THOSE MAPS AVAILABLE? AND THEY'RE AT ALL THE BIKE SHOPS. THEY'RE AT A NUMBER OF THE COUNTY PARKS.
GOOD. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR HAS A QUESTION FOR YOU.
YEAH, JUST THANK YOU, MICHELLE, FOR FOR COMING TODAY AND AND TALKING ON THIS SUBJECT.
SAME THING ON MAPS. DO YOU ONLY HAVE A PAPER VERSION OR DO YOU HAVE A DIGITAL VERSION? IT'S ON OUR WEBSITE AS WELL. IT'S NOT LIKE AN INTERACTIVE MAP THAT'S SUPER USABLE.
THEY JUST THEY STILL LIKE PAPER. BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE FUNDING TO MOVE IT INTO AN APP KIND OF MODE THAT WE JUST WE CAN'T FRONT THAT. BUT WE REALLY DO WANT TO WORK WITH THE CITY, COLLIER COUNTY AND THE MPO TO TO MOVE THAT INTO AN APP.
I REALLY HOPE IT COULD BECOME DIGITAL SOON. AND IF YOU REALLY WANT THE STATE LEGISLATURE TO TAKE ACTION ON A BILL RELATED TO BIKE SAFETY, JUST SIMPLY CONVINCE THEM THAT THIS IS AN ISSUE.
THE ISSUE IS A MATTER OF HOME RULE, AND YOU'LL GET ACTION BEFORE YOU GET BACK TO NAPLES.
OKAY, SO JUST A LITTLE INSIDE HACK THERE. WELL, SOMETHING INTERESTING TO SHARE IN.
JUST 30S. DURING THE LAST SESSION, THREE OF THE OPPOSING REPUBLICAN HOUSE MEMBERS WERE ALL DRIVING IN A VEHICLE WITH THEIR SPOUSES. SIX OF THEM WERE HIT BY A RED LIGHT RUNNER WHO WAS ON CAMERA WITH HER PHONE, AND THEY STILL WEREN'T WILLING TO BUDGE ON THAT.
THEY ALL ENDED UP HAVING TO GO TO THE EMERGENCY ROOM, AND THEY SPENT QUITE A BIT OF THE, WELL, THE REST OF THEIR NIGHTS THERE. AND THEY STILL WOULDN'T BUDGE.
SO I WOULDN'T WISH THAT ON ANYONE. BUT THANK YOU AGAIN FOR.
ALL RIGHT. THANKS. GOD BLESS. THANKS SO MUCH FOR ALL YOU GUYS DO. ONE MORE QUESTION THOUGH, FOR YOU IN OUR RESOLUTION, CAN YOU, UNDER SECTION FOUR TALKS ABOUT THE DESIGN AND ACCOMMODATE ALL USERS AND THAT THE CONTEXT BASED PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE FACILITIES WILL WILL, WHERE PRACTICABLE, BE ESTABLISHED IN NEW CONSTRUCTION? CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? SO BASICALLY HOW IT WORKS IN THE COUNTY IS WHEN THERE'S A NEW ROAD OR WHEN THEY ARE FIXING DRAINAGE WHENEVER A ROAD IS GOING TO BE BUILT OR IMPROVED, IT'S BASICALLY A REQUIREMENT TO LOOK AT THE NEEDS OF ALL ROAD USERS.
SO CAN PEDESTRIANS GET THERE SAFELY? CAN SOMEBODY PUSHING A WHEELCHAIR GET THROUGH THERE SAFELY? CAN SOMEONE RIDING A BIKE GET THROUGH SAFELY AS WELL AS AUTOMOBILES? SO THE COUNTY PRETTY MUCH NOW IT'S STANDARD. THERE'S A SIDEWALK ON ONE SIDE, MULTI-USE PATHWAY ON THE OTHER SIDE, AND BIKE LANES. SO THEY'RE WORKING ON REALLY GETTING THINGS CONNECTED.
SO WE WOULD TRULY HAVE A TRANSPORTATION NETWORK.
OKAY. AND ANY LAST THOUGHTS ON MULTIMODAL TRANSPORTATION PROGRAMS? WELL, I THINK YOU REALLY NEED TO DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN A BICYCLE AND AN EMOTO.
EMOTO'S THOSE, YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT THEY'RE MAKING A FEW LITTLE TWEAKS, AND THEY'RE GOING 40MPH.
THAT'S CLOSER TO A MOTORCYCLE THAN IT IS TO A BICYCLE.
AND I WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SAY THAT IT WOULD BE FAIR FOR ALL E-BIKE RIDERS TO NEED TO HAVE A LICENSE AND INSURANCE, BUT IF YOU'RE WRITING SOMETHING THAT'S CLOSER TO A MOTORCYCLE.
WELL, MOTORCYCLES, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A LICENSE AND INSURANCE.
SO I'VE BEEN HEARING YOU KNOW, THINGS ON BOTH SIDES.
THESE E-BIKE RIDERS, THEY'RE PLOWING INTO CARS AT LIKE A CROSSWALK OR A DRIVEWAY CROSSING OR A PARKING LOT BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING SO FAST FROM THE DIRECTION THAT A DRIVER WOULDN'T BE LOOKING AT THEY SMACK INTO HIM.
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MAYBE THEY GET UP, MAYBE THEY DON'T. BUT IF THEY DO GET UP, THEN THEY'RE GETTING ON THEIR CARS AND THEY'VE LEFT THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF DAMAGE TO A VEHICLE. THAT'S NO GOOD FOR FOR ANYBODY BECAUSE YOU DON'T HIT SOMETHING THAT HARD GOING THAT FAST AND AND NOT HAVE SOME IMPLICATIONS FOR YOURSELF. SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST EDUCATION IS KEY, BUT REALLY DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN AN E BICYCLE, WHICH, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR FUNDRAISER EVENTS, WHICH WE HAVE ONE COMING UP NOVEMBER 30TH, YOU'RE ALL INVITED.EAGLE LAKES PARK, THE IRON JOE TURKEY RIDE AND WALK.
WE ALLOW PEDAL ASSIST BICYCLES ON OUR RIDES, AND THESE ARE RIDES ON THE ROAD, BUT WE STILL SAY PEDAL ASSIST BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT MAKES IT A BICYCLE. IF YOU'RE NOT PEDALING, IT'S A SCOOTER.
IT'S IT'S A IT'S A DIFFERENT FORM OF TRANSPORTATION FROM OUR POSITION.
SO IF WE CAN GET IT, GET THEM SLOWED DOWN AT LEAST THAT'S GREAT.
BUT THESE E MOTOS THAT, YOU KNOW, APPARENTLY, IT'S LIKE JUST TWO LITTLE TURNS TO A SCREWDRIVER OR SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW. AND THEY CAN GET THEM FROM GOING 20 MILES AN HOUR TO 40.
I WOULD NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS. THAT JUST TERRIFIES ME.
AND PLEASE GET THE BEACH CLUB AREA LOOKED AT SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY MORE MISHAPS OUT THERE.
GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. I GOTTA RUN TO MEETING.
OKAY, THANKS. SO. COUNCIL. OH. IS THERE AN UPDATE ON THE NUMBER OF COMPLETE STREETS WE'VE HAD IN THE LAST YEAR OR TWO YEARS? BECAUSE I. OR IS THAT IN OUR NEXT PRESENTATION? I THINK I'M KIND OF BLENDING THEM TOGETHER. RIGHT.
YOU'LL HAVE A YOU'LL BE HAVING A PRESENTATION ON FROM MISS PICKETT ON THE BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN MASTER PLAN AND THE UPDATES THERE.
RIGHT. OKAY. SO I WON'T BLEND IT IN. I'LL ASK THEN.
BUT IN TERMS OF COMPLETE STREETS, WHAT'S ON OUR DOCKET IS THE CRA STREETSCAPE AND LOOKING AT THAT THAT'S THE MOST RECENT EXAMPLE OF A COMPLETE STREET THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, OR AT LEAST KIND OF HOW DO WE ACCOMMODATE BICYCLES, PEDESTRIANS, VEHICLES IN THE SAME CORRIDOR? AND WE HAVE THAT CONCEPT PLAN. WE'LL BRING BACK THE MOST RECENT ONE.
WE'RE COMING UP ON THE 60% DESIGN THERE. SO. WELL, THAT'S GOOD BECAUSE IF IT'S WORKING WITH THE STREETS, WE'RE TEARING UP FOR INFRASTRUCTURE. WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE COORDINATING THAT.
ABSOLUTELY. SO IT'S AT 60% DESIGN FOR THE CRA AREA.
WE'RE WE'RE APPROACHING THAT'S THE NEXT MILESTONE, BUT WE'RE APPROACHING THAT.
SO WHEN WILL COUNCIL REVIEW IT OR THE CRA. YEAH.
SO IT SHOULD BE A MATTER OF MONTHS BEFORE IT'S BACK.
BUT I THINK BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR. OKAY.
OKAY. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER. SO WHAT ARE THE ODDS IF WE GET ALL THE WAY ALMOST TO THE FINISH LINE, AND THEN A COUPLE DUDES SHOW UP AND SAY, WE DON'T WANT TO DO THIS ANYMORE, THAT WE SHUT THAT ONE DOWN TOO.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE CRA STREETSCAPE LIKE WE DID ON SOUTH GULF? WE'RE HERE TO TAKE DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL AND RESPOND TO THE PUBLIC.
SO YOU DON'T HAVE A 20 SIDED DICE YOU CAN THROW RIGHT QUICK FROM YOUR DADDY KIT? NO. WELL, I THINK IF IT I THINK IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THAT HAS A BROAD CONSENSUS THAT IT REALLY HAS A BIG ECONOMIC IMPACT AND CREATES A COMMUNITY VISION AND MAKES IT AND REALIZES IT. I THINK THAT HAS ENOUGH BACKING TO, TO PULL IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
I WOULD HOPE SO. YEAH. YEAH. WE WE DON'T WANT TO GO THERE AGAIN.
NO WE DON'T. COORDINATION BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS IS KEY.
ABSOLUTELY. DOING WHAT YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO DO. OKAY.
OKAY. THAT WAS A BRIEF OVERVIEW. ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT COMPLETE STREETS FROM STAFF.
THAT'S THE FULL PRESENTATION. THANK YOU. OKAY, NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.
OKAY. WE'LL MOVE ON TO ITEM FIVE C.
GOOD AFTERNOON, DAN WATSON, CITY ENGINEER. SO HERE IS OUR UPDATE ON THE MICROMOBILITY ORDINANCE.
[5.C. Discussion and Direction Regarding Bicycle and Micromobility Code Update. (Bob Middleton, Director of Public Works)]
LAST YEAR WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON THE DIFFERENT DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES, DIFFERENT KINDS OF REGULATIONS.[04:55:02]
AND SINCE THEN STAFF HAS DRAFTED A DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET IN TERMS OF HOW WE MIGHT INCORPORATE REGULATING THE NEW FORMS OF MICROMOBILITY. IN THE LAST DECADE, A SURFACE TRANSPORTATION HAS CHANGED A GREAT DEAL WITH THE ADVENT OF LITHIUM BATTERIES AND MICRO MOBILITY DEVICES. SO IT'S WARRANTED TO LOOK AT OUR REGULATIONS AND TRY TO MAKE THEM CURRENT.SO AND WE BOILED IT DOWN TO THREE CORE QUESTIONS AND I'LL GET THROUGH ALL THREE.
THE FIRST ONE IS IS SIDEWALK RIDING. SO AS, AS AS OUR PREVIOUS PUBLIC SPEAKER WAS WAS DISCUSSING SHOULD THE FOLLOWING BE ALLOWED TO RIDE ON THE SIDEWALK? SO THERE'S BICYCLES, AND THEN THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT CLASSES OF ELECTRIC BICYCLES.
CLASS ONE, TWO AND THREE. THE BIGGEST DISTINCTION FOR REGULATION PURPOSES IS BETWEEN 2 AND 3.
ONE AND TWO GO 20 MILES AN HOUR. AND THEN CLASS THREE GOES 28 MILES AN HOUR.
AND THAT'S KIND OF THE BIG DISTINCTION THERE. AS WELL AS OTHER MICRO MICRO MOBILITY DEVICES.
SO THAT'S A BIT VAGUE. SO ON THE SIDEWALK WITHIN THOSE AREAS.
SO IN THE IN THE LANGUAGE THAT WE'VE DRAFTED, IT'S, IT'S, IT STATES THE FIFTH AVE SHOPPING DISTRICT, THE OVERLAY DISTRICT BECAUSE THAT'S A DEFINED AREA OR A OR WITHIN A SHOPPING CENTER.
SO THAT'S MORE A LITTLE MORE ENFORCEABLE. AND THEN ALSO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE POSTED WITH SIGNAGE.
SO THAT'S THE FIRST KEY QUESTION IS SIDEWALK RIDING WHICH DEVICES AND WHICH AREAS.
THEN MICRO-MOBILITY PROVIDERS SHOULD MICRO-MOBILITY PROVIDERS BE ALLOWED TO OPERATE? SO EACH OF THOSE DEVICES THERE CAN BE CONSIDERED A MICROMOBILITY DEVICE.
SCOOTER. E-BIKE, BICYCLE, UNICYCLE, HOVERBOARD, AN E-SCOOTER.
AND THESE ARE PEOPLE WHO ALLOW YOU TO RENT ANY OF THESE KINDS OF VEHICLES.
BUT THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION. SHOULD WE SHOULD WE ALLOW THEM? THE THIRD ITEM IS REGULATING THE OPERATION OF DIFFERENT DEVICES.
SO AND IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE, WHAT WE'VE DONE IS WE'VE TAKEN THE COUNTY ORDINANCE THAT THEY PASSED BACK IN APRIL AND ADOPTED THOSE INTO THE CITY CODE. AND THESE PROVIDE FOR BASIC PROVISIONS LIKE REQUIRING THE USE OF BIKE LANES, IF AVAILABLE, FOR DEVICES OVER 20 MILES AN HOUR. SO THAT WOULD BE CLASS THREE E-BIKES AND AGE RESTRICTION OF 16 ON THE USE OF CERTAIN DEVICES.
SO THE COUNTY SAYS THAT MINORS UNDER 16 CANNOT USE A CLASS THREE E-BIKE.
THEN REQUIRING STOPPING FOR SCHOOL BUSSES, FOLLOWING PEDESTRIAN SIGNALS, YIELDING TO PEDESTRIANS WITHIN PARKS, AND SHARED USE PATHS PROHIBITING DEVICES ABOVE A CERTAIN WATTAGE FROM SIDEWALKS.
SO 750W IS THE KIND OF DIVIDING LINE BETWEEN WHAT'S A, WHAT'S A MICROMOBILITY DEVICE OR BICYCLE COMPARED TO A VEHICLE LIKE A MOTORCYCLE? SO IT WOULD BE 750 WHAT'S REQUIRING CONSISTENT ADHERENCE TO STATE AND LOCAL LAWS.
AND THEN SPEED LIMIT OF 50 MILE AN HOURS ON, ON WALKWAYS.
SO IT'S CLEAR IN THE CODE THAT YOU CAN'T PARK YOUR YOUR DEVICE TO BLOCK A BUILDING ENTRANCE.
SO THOSE ARE THE THREE MAIN QUESTIONS. IT'S HOW TO REGULATE SIDEWALK RIDING.
SHOULD WE ALLOW MICROMOBILITY OPERATORS TO, TO OPERATE OR PROVIDERS TO OPERATE? AND THEN SHOULD WE ESSENTIALLY REFLECT THE COUNTY'S REGULATIONS? SO THANK YOU. SHOULD THE BICYCLES ELECTRIC BICYCLES AND MICROMOBILITY DEVICES BE MICROPHONES? MICROPHONE. THANKS, DAVID. SHOULD BICYCLES, ELECTRIC BICYCLES AND MICRO MOBILITY DEVICES BE ALLOWED ON PUBLIC SIDEWALKS? RIGHT. AND THE SECOND WOULD BE, SHOULD MICRO-MOBILITY PROVIDERS BE ALLOWED TO OPERATE? AND IF SO, UNDER WHAT CONDITIONS? RIGHT. AND SHOULD REGULATIONS FOR THE OPERATIONS OF BICYCLES, ELECTRIC BICYCLES AND MICROMOBILITY DEVICES CORRESPOND WITH COLLIER COUNTY REGULATIONS? RIGHT. AND WITH THAT, WE CAN COME BACK TO THE COUNCIL WITH A FULL DRAFTED ORDINANCE. SO WELL, WE DO HAVE A DRAFT ORDINANCE WITHIN OUR PACKET.
THAT'S CORRECT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO TRY AND GO OVER THAT WITH COUNCIL.
I APPRECIATE THE SLIDES. FOR THE GENERAL OF WHERE WE'RE GOING.
BUT THE HEART OF THE MATTER IS REALLY IN THIS THIS ORDINANCE.
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MAYOR, CAN I MAKE ONE POINT? YES. THANK YOU, MR. MCCONNELL. THANK YOU. SO TO MR. ORNSTEIN'S POINT, I THINK THE ORDINANCE THAT'S IN DRAFT FORMAT WILL SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGE BASED ON THE ANSWER TO THOSE THREE QUESTIONS. SO IF WE IF WE DON'T ALLOW THEM ON THE SIDEWALK AT ALL, THAT'LL CHANGE.IF WE DON'T ALLOW MICRO-MOBILITY PROVIDERS AT ALL, THEN YOU'RE REMOVING ROUGHLY 2 OR 3 PAGES FROM THE DRAFT ORDINANCE ALTOGETHER, WHICH IS WHY I THINK, AT A MINIMUM, ANSWERING THOSE THREE QUESTIONS WILL REALLY GIVE STAFF AND OUR OFFICE SOME DIRECTION ON WHAT TO PROVIDE YOU NEXT.
OKAY, NOT ON SIDEWALKS AT ALL. NO. MICRO-MOBILITY PROVIDERS.
CORRECT. SO MICRO-MOBILITY PROVIDERS PER DEFINITION IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHAT MR. ORNSTEIN SAID, ARE PROVIDERS THAT OFFER IT FOR RENT FOR SHORT PERIODS OF TIME, HOURS OR MORE? IN BIGGER CITIES, YOU WILL SEE THEM ON THE SIDEWALK WITH APPS.
ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS WE DON'T HAVE TO CLASSIFY THEM AS A MICRO-MOBILITY PROVIDER, BUT THERE ARE BUSINESSES IN THE CITY THAT DO RENT MICRO-MOBILITY DEVICES, IF YOU WILL. SO I STILL THINK THE QUESTION IS, DO YOU WANT MICRO-MOBILITY PROVIDERS IN THE CITY? AND IF THE ANSWER IS NO, THEN AGAIN, 20% OF THE ORDINANCE WILL BE ONE IS A GUIDED TOUR TYPE OF ARRANGEMENT, WHEREAS ANOTHER IS AN UNSUPERVISED HERE YOU RUN IT AND YOU GO BUZZ AROUND TOWN AND HARASS PEDESTRIANS.
I, PURSUANT TO THE FLORIDA STATUTE, WOULD NOT CLASSIFY THAT AS A MICRO-MOBILITY PROVIDER.
THE GUIDED TOURS BECAUSE. CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S BECAUSE I DON'T PERSONALLY I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WITH WHO WE HAVE RIGHT NOW OPERATING BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S A SUPERVISED GUIDED TOUR AND THEY DO, IN MY OPINION, A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF OF CONTAINING CONTROL, MAINTAINING CONTROL VERSUS WILLY NILLY, PROVIDING SOMEBODY THE ABILITY TO RENT IT AND GO CRUISING DOWN THE STREET.
OKAY, SO I WANT TO TAKE YOUR THEORY THERE. I HAVE HEARD FROM SEVERAL NEIGHBORHOODS THAT THE TOURS ARE A PROBLEM, SO THAT NEEDS AND YOU MENTIONED THAT THE LAST TIME YOU WERE HERE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT ONLY E-BIKES, BUT THEY'RE THREE WHEELERS. THERE'S TWO WHEELERS.
THERE'S AT LEAST FOUR DIFFERENT TYPES OF MODES OF BICYCLING OR MOBILITY. BUT TO THAT QUESTION, TO THE POINT OF THE OTHER PIECE, IS THE MICRO MOBILITY PROVIDERS. RENT AND TIMES MEANS THAT THAT SECOND PICTURE IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM HEARING FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS THAT WE DO NOT WANT THAT THAT IS A DANGER.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, PICK UP, DROP OFF ANYWHERE YOU WANT.
AND THAT IS NOT WHAT THIS COMMUNITY WAS LOOKING FOR.
I PERSONALLY SUPPORT THAT. ALSO JUST TRAVELING.
YOU JUST IT'S IT'S IT'S CLUTTER. IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE.
AND I I'LL SAY NO MORE ON THAT. AND THEN THE GUIDED TOURS, IF THERE ARE GUIDED TOURS ALREADY IN PLACE, WE HAVE A LICENSE AGREEMENT OR A FRANCHISE AGREEMENT THAT CAN BE GIVEN FOR WHAT WAS IT? CARRIAGE RIDES ARE STILL IN OUR OLD CODE BECAUSE WE GOT RID OF THE HORSE AND BUGGY.
IT'S ACTUALLY. YEAH. STILL THERE WITH PEDICABS.
OKAY. AND PEDICABS. SO YOU KNOW, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT CHANGING OUR ORDINANCES.
SO THE HORSE DRAWN BUGGY OR HORSE DRAWN CARRIAGE AND THE PEDICABS ARE RUN BY LICENSES OR BY FRANCHISES. FRANCHISES. THANK YOU.
SO. THE CODE NEEDS CLEANUP IN THAT REGARD. IT'S IT'S UNDERNEATH THE SECTION THAT KIND OF REFERS TO FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS, BUT IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY REQUIRE A FRANCHISE AGREEMENT, ALTHOUGH, BECAUSE THEY'RE UTILIZING YOUR RIGHT OF WAY TO OPERATE THEIR BUSINESS, IT'S BEEN THE CITY'S POSITION THAT THEY HAVE TO COME TO YOU FOR A RIGHT OF WAY PERMIT.
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IN A ROW. PLEASE GET IN A SINGLE FILE WHEN YOU SEE A CAR PASS.JUST SOME IDEAS. OKAY. AND THEN CAN WE CONTROL HOW MANY ACTUALLY COME TO US? I MEAN, ONCE YOU START THIS AND ALLOW IT ON YOUR STREETS, HOW DO YOU SAY YOU CAN DO IT BUT YOU CAN'T DO IT? ARE YOU REFERRING TO TOURS? YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE TOURS? YES, THE GUIDED TOURS. WELL, IF YOU DEVELOP I MEAN, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A FRANCHISE BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT REALLY OFFERING CITY ANYTHING, ALTHOUGH IT'S THE SAME THING WITH TROLLEY TOURS.
I MEAN, I MEAN, I GUESS YOU COULD LIMIT IT BEFORE DOING SO.
I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW HOW MANY TOURS ARE ACTUALLY OPERATING IN THE CITY CURRENTLY.
I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE AN IMPORTANT ANSWER FOR THE COUNCIL TO SAY, HEY, WE HAVE THREE OPERATING OR FOUR AND AND WE COULD ALWAYS PUT SOME KIND OF LIMITATION ON HOW MANY CAN OPERATE AT ONE TIME IN THE CITY.
AS LONG AS IT'S A, YOU KNOW, NOT ARBITRARY, JUST GENERALLY APPLICABLE ACROSS THE BOARD.
OKAY. WITH THAT BEING SAID, I WANT TO TALK MORE ABOUT THOSE TOURS.
AND THAT IS WHEN I SEE ON THIRD STREET THERE COMING DOWN 12TH AND THEY LITERALLY STOPPED TRAFFIC.
THEY HAVE LIKE AS IF THEY WERE A POLICE OFFICER.
THEY JUST STAND OUT IN THE MIDDLE. THEY HOLD THEIR HAND UP LIKE THIS, AND THEY ALLOW THE 12 PEOPLE TO FOLLOW THEM THROUGH IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT AREA, THAT IS PRESENTING A REAL HAZARD AND SAFETY ISSUE FOR ME.
AND THAT'S NOT THE ONLY PLACE I KNOW. BUT JUST THAT'S AN EXAMPLE.
SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'D LIKE TO TAKE YOUR THOUGHTS ON THIS TOPIC AND WHERE WE'RE GOING.
SO COUNCILMAN CHRISTMANN IF I COULD JUST REAL QUICK BECAUSE I'M SEEING HEAD NODS.
BUT IF WE COULD, MAYOR, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND MAYBE ADDRESSING THE QUESTIONS IN ORDER AND THEN TALKING ABOUT TOURS JUST SO WE COULD ACTUALLY GET A CONSENSUS ON WHETHER WE WANT THEM ON THE SIDEWALKS, WHETHER WE WANT MICRO. JUST A SUGGESTION, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD AT LEAST HELP CLARIFY THE DIRECTION WE'RE GOING.
OKAY, SO WE'VE GOT TOURS. WE HAVE WHAT'S THE OTHER ONE? THE MICRO MOBILITY. THE FIRST QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO ALLOW ELECTRIC BICYCLES AND BICYCLES ON THE SIDEWALK AND MICRO MOBILITY DEVICES? AND A CLARIFICATION QUESTION ON THAT. YES, SIR.
DAN, I'M LOOKING AT THAT. YES, THIS THIS ONE.
YOU'VE GOT THREE CLASSIFICATIONS THERE, CLASS ONE, TWO AND THREE, ALL PEDAL ASSISTS.
THERE ARE. I'M GOING TO CALL THEM BICYCLES, BUT THEY'RE NOT BECAUSE I GUESS THEY'RE NOT PEDALS.
SO THOSE WOULD ALL SAY THAT AGAIN. SO THE, THE, THE DAYQUIL MAY BE GETTING TO ME.
RIGHT. OKAY. ALL OF THEM HAVE A CHECK MARK FOR PEDAL ASSIST.
MAYBE THAT'S A MISTAKE ON THE THROTTLE OKAY. SO SO MY QUESTION IS I THERE THERE ARE, ELECTRIC VEHICLES OUT THERE THAT ARE THAT ARE TWO WHEELED VEHICLES THAT ARE NOT MOTORCYCLES OR MOPEDS.
BUT I WOULD I WOULD SAY THEY THEY CLASSIFY UNDER AN ELECTRIC E-BIKE THAT DON'T HAVE PEDALS.
SO IS THERE ANOTHER CLASSIFICATION THAT'S NOT ONE, 2 OR 3? I THINK THAT'S A THAT WOULD BASICALLY BE A SCOOTER.
AND IF IT'S OVER 750W, THEN IT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED.
IF IT'S UNDER 750W THEN IT'S A IT'S A MICROMOBILITY DEVICE.
AS, IT'S, AS IT'S A SCOOTER, IF IT'S OVER 750W, THEN IT BECOMES A VEHICLE.
RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S FINE. THAT'S THE CLARIFICATION I WAS LOOKING FOR. DO WE HAVE A SCOOTER AN EXAMPLE. THESE ARE IN THE SECOND SLIDE. THESE ARE SCOOTERS? YEAH. ARE THOSE OVER 50 OR UNDER? 750. THOSE ARE UNDER 750.
OKAY. SO. AND THEY DO NOT HAVE PEDALS. RIGHT.
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SO OKAY. THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I WAS GETTING AT WITH THAT LAST QUESTION, THE LAST LINE OF QUESTIONING. SO THERE ARE CLASSIFICATIONS I GUESS THERE'S SCOOTER CLASSIFICATIONS, NOT BICYCLES OR E-BIKES, BUT SCOOTERS THAT DON'T HAVE PEDAL ASSIST THAT ARE UNDER 750.TYPICALLY IT IT'S HARD TO IT'S HARD TO READ THAT OFF DIRECTLY.
IT'S PROBABLY EASIER TO DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT ON THE SIDEWALK.
YEAH. WELL, OKAY. SO ARE YOU OKAY WITH BICYCLES WITH NO MOTORS ON THE SIDE? I'M OKAY. MY KNEE JERK IS. AND THIS IS OBVIOUSLY JUST ONE MAN'S OPINION.
ANYTHING THAT GOES OVER 20 MILES AN HOUR SHOULDN'T BE ON THE SIDEWALK. THAT'S WHERE I'M AT.
BUT I'M AT 15 MILES AN HOUR. AND AND I AND I CAN'T MAKE IN MY HEAD THE TRANSLATION OF 750W TO SPEED.
NOR CAN I YOU KNOW, CAN I MAKE THE TRANSLATION OF, YOU KNOW, EACH DEVICE AND DOES THAT WHAT SPEED DO THEY HAVE? BUT I THINK GOING YOU'RE SHARING THIS WITH WALKERS AND AND IF YOU'RE PLOWING DOWN, I THINK THE COUNTY HAS 28 MILES AN HOUR.
I THINK THAT'S A LITTLE FAST WHEN YOU'RE SHARING THE SPACE WITH A WALKER.
RIGHT? THE COUNTY BANS CLASS THREE. SORRY. E-BIKES.
AND SO THOSE ARE THE BIKES THAT GO OVER 20. SO ALL THE WAY UP TO 28 AND THE DRAFT RESOLUTION, WHAT WE'VE GOT IS WE WOULD BAN CLASS THREE E-BIKES, AS WELL AS ANY MICROMOBILITY DEVICES THAT GO OVER 20 MILES AN HOUR.
AND THAT'S COUPLED WITH A SPEED LIMIT IN THE ORDINANCE OF 15 MILES AN HOUR.
BUT BUT THE POLICE DO NOT ENFORCE THAT. THERE'S ONE TICKET ISSUED IN 2024 AND AND SIX RELATED ONES. AND SO FAR YEAR TO DATE AND MOST WERE NOT RELATED TO SPEED.
RIGHT. IT'S DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE. I MEAN IT'S NOT GOING TO BE.
SO WE HAVE TO ASSUME THAT IT'S NOT GOING TO BE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE CRAFTING A REGULATION SO THAT THEY CAN ENFORCE IT.
AND I'M NOT SURE WE HAVE NEITHER THE MANPOWER NOR THE WILL TO TO DO THAT ENFORCEMENT.
THEN WE'LL FIGURE THE OTHER OUT. OKAY. FIRST I HAVE CHRISMAN AND THEN VICE MAYOR.
WELL, MY OVERARCHING COMMENT WAS REALLY AROUND GOING TO BE AROUND THE QUESTION OF ENFORCEMENT AND, AND REALLY I'M REALLY GOING TO URGE THAT WE STRIVE TOWARD.
IT'S NOT JUST A MATTER OF THE POLICE BEING ABLE TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT, BUT IT'S EVEN USERS OF THESE DEVICES BEING, YOU KNOW, NEVER UNDERSTANDING EXACTLY WHAT THE RULES IS. DO I HAVE A AM I WRITING SOMETHING THAT'S ALLOWED ON THE SIDEWALK OR.
I'M NOT? SO LET ME ANSWER, GIVE YOU MY ANSWERS ON THE THREE QUESTIONS.
AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS A CONVERSATION. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE ALL SORT OF TRYING TO FIND, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE BEST ANSWER FOR THE COMMUNITY.
BUT BUT, YOU KNOW, I'M INCLINED TO SAY NOTHING SHOULD BE ON THE SIDEWALK.
YOU KNOW, I THINK SIDEWALKS ARE FOR PEOPLE WALKING.
AND AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN I SEE A BICYCLE ON, I WALK A LOT AND AS A FORM OF EXERCISE.
AND SO I KIND OF COME DOWN IN A NO. ANYTHING ON THE SIDEWALKS? REGARDING MICRO MOBILITY PROVIDERS BEING ALLOWED TO OPERATE, YOU KNOW, THAT GETS A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A LOT OF PROVIDERS IN THIS TOWN THAT ARE JUST TRADITIONAL BICYCLE SHOPS THAT RENT BIKES, RIGHT? I MEAN, I'VE USED THEM IN THE PAST MYSELF.
I STILL DO WHEN WE HAVE FAMILY AND AND VISITING OR SOMETHING.
AND, AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE A PROVIDER.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT HERE IS, IS A NEW KIND OF PROVIDER, IF YOU WILL, WHO'S PROVIDING THESE NEW, NEWER FORMS OF MICROMOBILITY DEVICES.
YOU KNOW, THE RESEARCH I DID, INFORMAL RESEARCH I DID JUST IN ANTICIPATION OF THIS DISCUSSION, IS THAT CERTAINLY A THIRD STREET? THE LEADERSHIP THERE REALLY SEES THESE TOUR GROUPS AS BEING INTRUSIVE AND AND UNSAFE AND PROBLEMATIC TO THE AREA THERE. I HAVE NOT GOTTEN ANY FEEDBACK FROM FIFTH AVENUE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY FEEL, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, WITH THESE TOUR GROUPS,
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YOU KNOW, WHATEVER TYPE OF DEVICE THEY'RE RIDING, WHETHER IT'S SORT OF A STAND UP OR SIT DOWN OR WHATEVER WE HAVE TO REMEMBER, THE CITY OF NAPLES IS THE ONLY PLACE IN COLLIER COUNTY WHERE THESE GROUPS ARE GOING.I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE A MARIA FOR TOURS, RIGHT? THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MERCADO. I DON'T THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO FIFTH AVENUE.
THEY'RE GOING TO THIRD STREET AND MAYBE A FEW OTHER PLACES IN THE CITY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE PEOPLE WANT TO GO AND SEE STUFF, RIGHT? AND VENETIAN, OBVIOUSLY. YEAH. AND SO WE'RE WE'RE THE COLLIER COUNTY, I WOULD ARGUE, PROBABLY DOESN'T HAVE THIS PROBLEM. THE CITY OR THIS ISSUE, THE CITY OF NAPLES DOES.
IS IT EVERYTHING WE WANT? PROBABLY NOT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY NUANCES IN THE CITY, BOTH IN TERMS OF THINGS WE WANT TO ADD AND THINGS WE WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE COUNTY ORDINANCE. BUT I THINK THE COUNTY ORDINANCE IS AN EXCELLENT STARTING POINT.
THEY OBVIOUSLY GAVE US SOME SOME GOOD THOUGHT.
THEY HAVE A DIFFERENT YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY'S ISSUES REALLY ARE WITH THE SCOOTERS COMING IN TO, YOU KNOW, COME IN ON, ON, ON MAJOR ARTERIALS AND EITHER RIDING ON THE STREET OR IN THE BIKE LANES OR ON THE SIDEWALKS AND PEOPLE USING THEM TO COMMUTE TO WORK, OFTEN INSIDE THE CITY. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THOSE AND THEN ALSO RIDING THEM AROUND.
THE ELECTRIC SCOOTERS AT HIGH SPEEDS IN SOME OF THEIR SUBURBAN SUBDIVISIONS, IT'S KIND OF A DIFFERENT SET OF ISSUES THEY'RE TRYING TO DEAL WITH, BY AND LARGE, THAN WE ARE. I WOULD ARGUE. SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS.
SO TAKING THAT LEAD I DON'T WANT ANYTHING ON THE SIDEWALKS EITHER.
I THINK THAT IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE. I DON'T WANT TO STOP SOMEONE WHO HAS A BICYCLE BUSINESS FROM SELLING OR RENTING A MOTOR BICYCLE. AN ELECTRIC BICYCLE. BUT IT SHOULD NOT BE ON THE SIDEWALKS.
POSSIBLY WALKERS. AND AS FAR AS TOUR GROUPS, THEY USE THESE STREETS AND THEY USE OUR COMMUNITY AS A, YOU KNOW, TOURIST OPPORTUNITY TO SELL NAPLES AND SHOW NAPLES OFF. WE ALREADY HAVE THAT WITH, WITH CARS AND EVEN THOUGH I'M NOT TRYING TO STOP SOMEONE'S ABILITY TO HAVE A BUSINESS, BUT IT'S NOT A SAFE PROVIDER FOR OUR STREETS AND FOR OUR VERY SMALL LITTLE COMMUNITY.
AGAIN, I THINK IT'S MORE OF A PRIVACY ISSUE. THEY ARE USING OUR STREETS AND TO USE OUR STREETS AS A BUSINESS. WHEN THERE'S A SAFETY ISSUE IS A BIG CONCERN FOR ME.
SO WITH THAT, SINCE KRISEMAN HAS SET IT UP WITH HIS THREE MEN, CAN YOU TAKE THE.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND AND AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID.
I THINK MY MY DIFFICULTY IS I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY ARE HAVING TO GET TO WORK.
SEPARATE ISSUE WE DIDN'T DISCUSS I THINK WORKING I SUPPORT PEOPLE IF THEY HAVE AN E-BIKE GETTING TO WORK, BUT THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE LAWS THAT WE ESTABLISH, WHICH MEANS THEY CAN'T BE ON SIDEWALKS OR WHATEVER WE DETERMINE IS THE BEST WAY TO FOR THEIR SAFETY. AND THAT'S THAT'S THE RUB. OKAY.
ONE THING I'D LIKE TO BRING TO THE COUNCIL'S ATTENTION, JUST TO REMIND YOU THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF SCHOOL CHILDREN WHO USE THE BIKES AND E-BIKES TO GET TO SCHOOL. THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND SO WHAT ARE THEY USING AS E-BIKES TO GET TO SCHOOL? BIKE LANE? NO. I SEE A NUMBER OF THEM TAKING THE SIDEWALK AS THEY GET TO SCHOOL.
AN E-BIKE, AN ELECTRIC BIKE. THAT'S CORRECT. AND E-BIKES GO.
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RIGHT. AND THE QUESTION IS, YOU KNOW, SHOULD THESE SCHOOL CHILDREN, SHOULD THEY BE ON THE SIDEWALK OR SHOULD THEY BE OUT IN THE.WELL, I THAT THAT'S A PARENT'S DECISION. BUT AS FAR AS A DECISION OF THE SPEED, IF WE'RE OUR STREETS ARE 25 MILES AN HOUR, IT NEEDS TO BE ON THE STREET, NOT ON THE SIDEWALK.
DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME THAT WE WOULD SAY, OH, JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE AN E-BIKE, YOU GET TO RIDE ON THE SIDEWALK AT 28 MILES AN HOUR. HAVING OTHER SCHOOL KIDS WALKING, I DON'T KNOW.
IT'S VERY IT'S OUR SITE. OUR CONNECTIVITY IS AN ISSUE WITH SIDEWALKS BECAUSE EVENTUALLY THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, THE COMPLETE STREETS OR TO THE ROADS TO GO TO A SCHOOL, THE ROUTES THAT WE HAVE.
SAFE, SAFE. WHAT'S IT CALLED? SAFE ROUTES. SCHOOL ROUTES.
THERE'S A NAME FOR IT. SCHOOL ZONE. SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL IS A PROGRAM.
MOST PEOPLE WOULDN'T ACCELERATE TO THAT, TO THAT SPEED ON A ON A SIDEWALK WITHIN AN URBAN GRID.
UNLESS YOU'RE A TEENAGER. YEAH. SO I HAVE A LOT OF ANECDOTAL INFORMATION REGARDING 14 YEAR OLD BOYS I'D LIKE TO SHARE WITH YOU. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO THANK YOU. IF YOU'LL JUST FINISH AND THEN WE'LL GO TO KRAMER.
I MEAN, TO VICE MAYOR AND THEN KRAMER AGAIN. IT'S IT'S IT'S THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE TO HAVE THESE FOR FOR THEIR LIVELIHOOD TO PUT FOOD IN THEIR MOUTH EVERY DAY. THAT CONCERNS ME. YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DIFFERENTIATE.
DIFFERENTIATE THAT THEY DON'T BELONG ON A SIDEWALK, PERIOD.
I KNOW I WATCH IT, I'M. THAT'S WHERE I'M. IT'S VERY HARD LOOKING AT WALKERS AND BICYCLISTS AND MOTORIZED BIKES CROSSING THE BRIDGE ON A VERY NARROW WALKWAY.
AND I UNDERSTAND THE NECESSITY AND THE NEED FOR THEM TO GET TO WORK.
SO JUST WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THE.
IN FACT, CAN SOMEONE UPDATE ME? DO WE HAVE A BIKE LANE ON THE BRIDGE? I, I THINK THERE IS. IT'S VIEWED AS A SORT OF A BIKE LANE.
YEAH, IT'S I REMEMBER IT'S VERY NARROW. IT'S WEAK.
SO, COUNCILWOMAN, I HEARD YOU SAY THEY DON'T BELONG ON THE SIDEWALK.
IS THAT WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY? BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE ONES THAT I SEE ARE.
BUT NO, I DON'T THINK THEY DO. OKAY. THANK YOU.
OKAY. MICROMOBILITY PROVIDERS TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A STATION ON OUR RIGHT OF WAY. THANK YOU, SIR, FOR PUTTING THAT UP THERE WHERE THEY CAN PICK IT UP AND DROP IT OFF ANYPLACE, AND SOMEONE ELSE CAN PICK IT UP FOR THEM. THEY DO THAT.
THEY USE THAT A LOT IN MONTGOMERY COUNTY, MARYLAND.
AND I HAVE TO ADMIT TO YOU, IT'S FIRST OF ALL, IT'S UNSIGHTLY.
AND FRANKLY, I THINK IT'S DANGEROUS BECAUSE YOU SEE THEM DUMPED ON THE SIDEWALK ALL THE TIME.
SO I THINK NO. OKAY. AND TOUR GROUPS. THAT'S A TOUGHIE.
THAT'S A TOUGHIE BECAUSE YOU YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY THAT'S EARNING AN INCOME AS A RESULT.
I THINK WE DON'T LICENSE TOUR GROUPS IN THE CITY.
I'M SORRY. DON'T LICENSE TOUR GROUPS IN THE CITY THAT ARE GOING TO USE MICROMOBILITY.
OKAY. I VICE MAYOR, AND THEN. KRAMER. YEAH. IF YOU LOOK UP THE WORD SIDEWALK, WHAT DO YOU THINK YOU'RE GOING TO FIND? TWO THINGS. IT'S A WALK PATH AT THE SIDE OF A ROAD, AND IT'S A PATH FOR PEDESTRIANS ON THE SIDE OF THE STREET.
SO IF WE INTEND TO TAKE THIS FACILITY AWAY FROM PEDESTRIANS, WHAT WILL WE.
WHAT WILL WE DESIGNATE TO SERVE AS THE REPLACEMENT.
ALL RIGHT. SO THINK ABOUT THAT. MY THOUGHTS ALLOWED TO RIDE ON SIDEWALKS? NO. ALLOW MICRO MOBILITY PROVIDERS AT ALL? NO.
THREE. THE SUPPORT REGULATORY OPS OF THE COUNTY.
AND IF IF YOU GO DOWN THROUGH THESE INDIVIDUALLY AND I'M NOT SURE YOU WANT US TO RIGHT NOW, BUT THERE'S THERE'S SOME PROBLEMS IN THERE THAT NEED TO BE DISCUSSED.
USE OF BIKE LANES, IF AVAILABLE, FOR DEVICES UNDER 20MPH.
BIKE LANES. RIGHT. THAT'S FINE. A BIKE LANE. BUT I DO THINK IF WE'RE GOING TO IF WE'RE GOING TO
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MEASURE SOMETHING SUCH AS SPEED, THEN LET'S GET SERIOUS ABOUT IT.LET'S REQUIRE SPEED MONITORING DEVICES ON THE DEVICE ITSELF.
AGE RESTRICTION OF 16. YES. STOPPING FOR SCHOOL BUSSES? YES. FOLLOW PEDESTRIAN SIGNALS. YES. YIELD TO PEDESTRIANS.
YES. PROHIBIT DEVICES ABOVE A CERTAIN WATTAGE.
THERE'S PROBABLY A GOOD, GOOD REASON FOR DOING THAT.
AND THERE'S A SPEED LIMIT. SOMEBODY ALREADY MENTIONED IT, BUT MICRO MOBILITY PROVIDERS, WHERE DO YOU THINK THESE DEVICES WILL BE LEFT WHEN THEY STOP WORKING? JUST TRAVEL. ANY CITY IN THESE UNITED STATES, YOU'LL HAVE YOUR FILL OF IT IN JUST A FEW MINUTES.
I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THAT IS NOT WHAT NAPLES IS ABOUT.
IT'S NOT A PLACE WE WANT TO GO. AND I TELL YOU, BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU MEASURE.
YOU MIGHT GET A LOT OF DEVICES JUST UNDER THE RULE, IF IT'S 20 MILES AN HOUR, THEY'RE GOING TO GOVERN THEM DOWN TO 18, AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE. SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT WE WANT EITHER.
SOME SCHOOL ZONES, BY THE WAY, ARE RESTRICTED TO 15MPH AT CERTAIN TIMES.
YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT 20MPH AND KIDS UNDER 16.
SO HOW DOES THAT WORK? WHO MONITORS THAT? WHO SUPPORTS IT? THE GUIDED TOUR OPERATORS. PLEASE MAKE A NOTE THAT WHATEVER RULES WE HAVE, IF WE END UP WITH GUIDED TOUR OPERATORS, THERE NEEDS TO BE DISTRIBUTION OF OUR RULES. AND I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I FOLLOWED ONE OF THESE TOURS.
AND WHEN YOU'VE GOT IT, IF IT IF IT MOVES FORWARD WITH THAT, YOU HAVE TO LIMIT THE TOUR SIZE, BECAUSE WHEN THE GUIDE IS GOING AND THAT WHOLE LINE IS MOVING.
AND THEN A LIGHT CHANGES. THEN YOU'VE GOT THEM MOVING OVER TO THE RIGHT SIDE OR WHATEVER SIDE OF THE ROAD, AND THEN WAITING ON THE OTHERS. AND THEN WHEN THE TOUR GUIDE.
BUT WHAT I WITNESSED WHEN THE TOUR GUIDE OPERATOR STOPS, IF IT'S A LONG LINE, DO YOU THINK THE PEOPLE IN BACK CAN HEAR WHAT'S BEING SAID? SO, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THEY DO? THEY ALL GROUP TOGETHER WITHIN VOICE RANGE OF THE TOUR GUIDE OPERATOR TO TALK ABOUT THIS HOUSE AND THIS HOUSE, AND WHO LIVES HERE AND WHO LIVES THERE. IT'S A MESS.
IT'S JUST IT'S IN MY OPINION, IT'S A MESS. SO.
AND BY THE WAY, FOR OUR ATTORNEY, DOES THE STATE PREEMPT THE CITY ON MICRO MOBILITY? THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW OPTIONS THAT THEY ACTUALLY GIVE US MORE AUTHORITY THIS SESSION. YEAH. SO YOU DON'T WANT TO WAIT FOR THE STATE TO PREEMPT YOU BECAUSE THEY WILL.
SO LET'S GET OUR HANDS AROUND THIS AND COME UP WITH SOME SENSIBLE CODE ON THIS.
THANK YOU. OKAY. KRAMER. WELL, I WILL READILY ADMIT I HAVE BIRD AND LIME APPS ON MY PHONE, AND IT IS A BLAST. BIRD AND LIME. IT'S. OH, YEAH, THE LIME.
IT'S ELECTRIC SCOOTERS. WHERE WERE YOU GO? ANYWHERE IN THE COUNTRY. IT'S SO FUN.
BUT WE DON'T NEED THAT HERE IN NAPLES. AND BICYCLES DON'T BELONG ON SIDEWALKS.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE HEALTH AND SAFETY FIRST. WE ALL SAID THAT UP HERE, AND I CAN.
THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE MOMS, GRANDMAS USING STROLLERS WITH BABIES IN THE ROAD.
IF IT'S AT ALL POSSIBLE TO NOT DO THAT, THEY'RE GOING TO STAY ON THE SIDEWALK.
YOU A DECENT ATHLETE, CAN GO 18 TO 20 MILES AN HOUR FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME.
I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT ELIMINATING THE E-BIKES COMPLETELY.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT USING THEM ON THE ROAD. AND IS THAT MORE DANGEROUS FOR THEM? I DON'T KNOW, YES, YOU PROBABLY WOULD GET. IN WORSE TROUBLE RUNNING INTO A CAR THAN INTO A STROLLER.
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BUT THE STROLLER WOULD BE IN WORSE TROUBLE IF YOU FOLLOW THAT LOGIC.SO STAY ON THE ROAD. WE DON'T NEED. THAT'D BE A BLAST.
AND THE TOURS? NO, I GOTTA BE A NO THERE. I JUST FOR ALL THE REASONS THAT THE VICE MAYOR JUST GAVE.
THANKS. PETRANOFF. I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH THOSE.
WHEN I LOOK AT PAGE THE. YOU KNOW, YOU'RE ASKING FOR THREE THINGS.
MINE IS NO, NO AND TRY TO ALIGN IT WHERE IT'S APPROPRIATE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, KEEPING MINDFUL THAT WE VOTED NO AND NO ON ONE AND TWO.
I, I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THOUGH THE MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE ABILITY FOR HOTELS, BIKE SHOPS, ETCETERA TO OFFER AS AN ANCILLARY SERVICE BIKE RENTALS FOR VISITORS LIKE THEY ALWAYS HAVE.
AND I'M NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THAT. IT JUST PROPOSING TO MAKE REGULATIONS ON WHERE THEY CAN OPERATE, WHICH YOU ALL HAVE SAID, ALTHOUGH I'M UNSURE WHAT COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON SAID.
TO YOUR ANSWERS, IF YOU DON'T MIND. YEAH, SURE.
I'LL WHEN I'M INSTRUCTED TO DO SO. BUT YES. SO I THINK I'VE ANSWERED ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS AND.
OKAY. MAYOR, MAY I ASK ONE POINT OF CLARITY? YOU AND KRAMER BOTH SAID NO TO TOUR GUIDES.
SO DOES THAT MEAN YOU DON'T WANT THEM AT ALL? OR BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, LIKE, JUST REGULATING THEM IN A WAY THAT MAKES IT SAFE AND LIMITING THEM? BECAUSE THAT'S GOING TO IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE THEY'RE CURRENTLY OPERATING AND YOU'RE TAKING AWAY A PORTION OF THEIR BUSINESS.
SO I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M HEARING YOU CORRECTLY. I'M A NOT AT ALL, I DON'T, I AM, I AM.
ELECTRIC VEHICLES. ELECTRIC VEHICLE. TOUR GUIDES, TOURS ON THE ROAD.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE MANAGE THAT. LIKE I DON'T.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. OKAY.
BURTON MIGHT BE OF THE MINORITY HERE ANYWAY, BUT I'LL RATTLE THROUGH THIS.
I'M ACTUALLY FINE WITH WITH NOT HAVING MOTORIZED VEHICLES ON THE SIDEWALK.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S YOU DON'T WANT BICYCLES OUT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD ON 41.
I MEAN, THEY'VE GOT BICYCLES, I GUESS CAN TAKE AN ALTERNATE ROUTE.
PEDAL VEHICLES THAT AREN'T MOTORIZED, I WOULD PROBABLY BE OKAY WITH.
BUT AGAIN, I SOUND LIKE I'M IN THE MINORITY THERE. SO MOVING FORWARD, MOVING ON. AS FAR AS MICRO MOBILITY PROVIDERS? ABSOLUTELY NOT. NOW, I KNOW THAT IT'S BEEN DISCUSSED.
WE'VE GOT SOME BIKE SHOPS THAT MAYBE RENT E-BIKES.
IS THAT IS THAT A THING? OKAY. THAT BECAUSE IT'S NOT WHAT I, WHAT I SEE AS A MICRO MOBILITY PROVIDER IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING HERE, WHERE, YOU KNOW, THEY RANDOMLY PICK THEM UP ON THIS, YOU KNOW, THEY DIE ON THE SIDEWALK, PEOPLE LEAVE THEM ON THE SIDEWALK, AND THEN THE SERVICE COMES BY AND PICKS THEM UP AND TAKES THEM BACK AND CHARGES THEM THAT I AM NOT FOR AT ALL RENTING AN E-BIKE FROM A BIKE SHOP OR POTENTIALLY FROM A HOTEL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WHERE THE THE USER TAKES IT FROM THERE, USES IT AND THEN BRINGS IT BACK.
THAT PROBABLY IS OKAY. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IF THERE'S A WAY TO TO WRITE THAT INTO INTO AN ORDINANCE SO THAT, THAT THAT'S OKAY. BUT THE MICRO MOBILITY PART OF IT IS NOT, THEN I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT.
RIGHT. OKAY. SO WE'VE GOT A CONSENSUS HERE. THAT IS LET ME JUST ADD JUST REAL QUICK, JUST FOR THE RECORD, ON THE TOURS, ON THE GUIDED TOURS I THINK THAT THE WAY TO SOLVE THAT, THAT DILEMMA IS AS, AS VICE MAYOR DID MENTION IT, EVEN THOUGH I THINK HE ALSO ULTIMATELY SAID NO ON ALLOWING IT AT ALL, BUT IS TO LIMIT THE SIZE OF THEM IF YOU HAVE TEN OR LESS OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, BECAUSE MY OFFICE IS RIGHT OVER HERE, RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER FROM ONE OF THOSE THAT WE HAVE LICENSED. AND YOU'RE RIGHT, THEY GO BY IN A, IN A, IN A PELOTON, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A BIG MASS OF OF OF PEOPLE.
AND THERE'S MORE THAN TEN. AND IT DOES CREATE AN ISSUE THAT I COULDN'T AGREE WITH MORE.
BUT MAYBE IF WE PUT IN SOME, SOME RULES AND REGS ON THOSE THAT WE ALREADY HAVE LICENSED AND MAYBE ALSO PUT IN RULES AND REGS ON THE NUMBER THAT WE ALLOW TO BE LICENSED OR FRANCHISED IN THIS IN THE CITY. I THINK THAT WE CAN PROBABLY PUT A PUT SOME RULES IN PLACE THAT WILL THAT WILL HELP GOVERN THAT TO WHERE MAYBE IT WOULD STILL BE ACCEPTABLE.
YEAH. NOW, NOW I'M DONE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
RULES AND REGS PUTTING, BEING PUT IN I THINK JUST CREATES MORE OF MORE ISSUES.
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BUT, I MEAN, IF EVERYONE WANTS TO DISCUSS IT, I'M FINE WITH THAT, BUT IT'S JUST IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO WHAT STREETS THEY'RE USING. AND IF THEY'RE GOING TO GET OUT AND STOP TRAFFIC IS A PROBLEM.WELL, AND AGAIN, MAYBE THAT'S MAYBE THAT IS THE MATTER OF RULES AND REGS.
YOU KNOW, YOU SAY, HEY, THESE ARE THE STREETS YOU CAN USE. THIS IS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE YOU CAN HAVE. AND WHEN I JUST SAID, WELL, THEN YOU HAVE TO ENFORCE IT JUST LIKE ANY OTHER CODE. YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT A IF YOU HAD A NEIGHBOR SITTING THERE AND THAT THAT GROUP GOES BY AND THERE'S 15 IN THERE, THAT NEIGHBOR CAN CALL CODE ENFORCEMENT AND SAY, HEY, THEY JUST WENT BY WITH 15 PEOPLE. HERE'S A PICTURE OF IT. SOMEBODY GO YOU KNOW, PUT A STOP TO THIS, YOU KNOW, SO I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S A LOT OF IT IS SELF-GOVERNANCE BY OUR COMMUNITY.
I DO BELIEVE WE NEED TO DISCUSS, THOUGH, IF IT IS FOR WORK.
AND IT'S ON A MAJOR HIGHWAY, AS IS 41 OR GOODLETTE COMING INTO TOWN.
WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT. AND I THINK THAT WE CAN GIVE THAT BACK TO OR TRY, BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE LOCAL STREETS SHOULD NOT BE ON THE SIDEWALKS. BUT THERE ARE IT'S A MODE OF TRANSPORTATION FOR SO MANY WORKERS THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW WE WOULD KEEP THEM FROM BEING ON THE SIDEWALK, CROSSING FROM EAST NAPLES OR GOING DOWN GOODLETTE TO WORK OR 41.
BUT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IS GOING TO BECOME AN ISSUE.
BUT NOT ON THE NOT ON THE STREETS OF THE CITY.
AND THAT'S GOING TO TELL US WHERE WE NEED TO DO FILL IN OF CONNECTIVITY FOR BIKE LANES AND FOR SIDEWALKS. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT.
AND IT'S BECAUSE OF WHAT? THAT 41 IS ROUGH, MAN.
I UNDERSTAND HOW TOUGH IT IS. BUT I WILL SAY, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO ENFORCE ALLOWING A COUPLE AREAS? AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WORKS, IS ALL I'M SAYING. THAT'S I BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE PROVISO BURN AND I WOULD HAVE SAID THE SAME THING.
I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S REALISTIC. AND THEN WHEN IT'S ALLOWED THERE, THEN HOW IS IT? I MEAN, SO MANY OF OUR WORKERS CAME FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
THEY'VE BEEN HERE SIX WEEKS AND IT'S SUCH A TRANSIENT POPULATION.
I AGREE. I JUST DON'T SEE HOW THAT WOULD BE A PRACTICAL SOLUTION.
OKAY. I'M JUST SAYING IT'S SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY'S GOING TO WILL HAVE TO ADDRESS.
IF THAT WAS THE HARD LINE THAT WE TAKE. I'M OKAY WITH IT, BUT YES.
CRISPIN. YEAH. ONE OTHER POINT I WANTED TO MAKE, I AGREE WITH WITH COUNCILMAN CRAMER JUST SAID BUT I, I DON'T WANT TO LEAVE ONE THOUGHT OUT THERE UNINTENTIONALLY BEING VIEWED BY SOME PERHAPS AS A RATIONALE FOR WHAT WE I THINK THE CONSENSUS IS, I DON'T SEE I DON'T SEE WHAT WE'RE SAYING AS BEING SOMETHING THAT IS BEING DONE SIMPLY TO BE PRO RESIDENT, ANTI TOURIST, BECAUSE I THINK WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS SOMETHING THAT OUR BUSINESS DISTRICTS THAT RELY HEAVILY ON VISITORS AND TOURISTS WILL WELCOME, BASED ON THE FEEDBACK I'VE GOTTEN.
IN OTHER WORDS, I THINK THEY VIEW THE TOUR GROUPS, PARTICULARLY AS SOMETHING THAT IS INTERFERING WITH THE AMBIANCE OF THEIR AREAS AND ACTUALLY HAVING A NEGATIVE EFFECT ON WHAT THEY'RE WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO PROMOTE AND, AND CREATE AND, AND SOMETHING THAT CAN HAVE NEGATIVE EFFECTS ON, YOU KNOW, ON THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING THERE TO ACTUALLY SHOP AND EAT AS OPPOSED TO JUST RIDING A SCOOTER FOR 20 MINUTES AND THEN LEAVING.
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COMMUNITIES, LIKE VENETIAN VILLAGE AND THIRD STREET WOULD VIEW THIS, RIGHT? SO I'LL JUST GO WITH THE ROW, BECAUSE WE CAN GIVE THIS BACK TO STAFF TO COME BACK WITH AN ORDINANCE THAT MEETS THE GOALS OF COUNCIL.I DO NOT THINK WE HAVE ENOUGH RIGHT OF WAY SPACE AS IT IS TO GIVE UP ANY RIGHT OF WAY.
HOWEVER, I DO THINK THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHERE WE HAVE BICYCLE RACKS AND IF WE NEED TO ADD BICYCLE RACKS, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT AT THAT AS A BECAUSE THERE ARE MORE HOTELS GIVING OUT BICYCLES AND WE IF THEY DON'T HAVE A BICYCLE RACK TO PARK IT, THEY'RE GOING TO PARK IT WHEREVER THEY CAN FIND SOMETHING.
SO I THINK THOSE TWO GO HAND IN HAND. VICE MAYOR YEAH, JUST WANTING TO GET THIS ON THE RECORD.
SO WHEN PEOPLE LOOK BACK ON IT THE AS WE TALK ABOUT AUTHORIZING AND THIS IS FOR THE CITY ATTORNEY BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT UP SOMETHING THAT STRUCK STRUCK A CHORD WITH ME.
BUT AS YOU LOOK AT AUTHORIZING TOUR GUIDE MICROMOBILITY DEVICES VERSUS NON TOUR GUIDE, INDIVIDUALLY OPERATED MICROMOBILITY DEVICES, WE NEED TO THINK CAREFULLY ABOUT WHAT'S THE DIFFERENTIATION BETWEEN A GUIDE VERSUS THE INDIVIDUAL.
AND I'M GOING TO RATTLE THESE OFF REAL QUICKLY, BUT WE ALREADY HAVE A VOTE NOT TO HAVE TOURS.
WELL, BUT HE'S. OH YEAH. SO JUST THINK ABOUT VEHICLE HANDLING, LOCAL TRAFFIC LAW, SAFETY CHECKS ON THE EQUIPMENT, EMERGENCY PROCEDURES, REGULAR MAINTENANCE SCHEDULES, THE MAXIMUM GROUP SIZE, SPEED LIMITS IN GROUP SETTINGS, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN SPEED LIMITS INDIVIDUALLY.
USE OF HELMETS AND OTHER PROTECTIVE GEAR. ROUTE SELECTION AND HOW SAFE PATHS AND AVOIDING HIGH TRAFFIC ZONES SHOULD BE PUT IN PLACE. RIDER BRIEFINGS AND SAFETY RULES GIVEN TO PASSENGERS.
AND THEN ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT SIDE, IF WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, OR EVEN IF WE REGULATE CURRENT MICROMOBILITY TOURS, THERE NEEDS TO BE PERIODIC EVALUATIONS BY OUR OWN STAFF.
THAT'S ALL I HAD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I THINK THAT'S THAT'S EVERYONE.
BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE'S CURRENTLY TOUR GUIDES THAT ALL THEY DO IS OFFER TOURS IN THE CITY RIGHT NOW.
SO BY SAYING YOU CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE, THAT BUSINESS GOES AWAY.
I'M HERE TO ADVISE YOU ON LEGAL EXPOSURE AT TIMES.
SO EVERYTHING ELSE I'M CRYSTAL CLEAR ON THAT ONE.
I APPRECIATE THE THE LEGAL CONCERN. HOWEVER, THEY ARE OUR CITY STREETS AND WE DID HAVE FRANCHISE AGREEMENTS FOR OPERATING BUSINESSES ON OUR CITY STREETS.
THIS IS A NEW ITEM THAT IS JUST POPULAR AND HAS COME ABOUT.
SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHO WAS THINKING AHEAD OF OF OF WHAT THE FUTURE MIGHT BRING TO YOUR CITY STREETS.
BUT WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO OPERATE OUR CITY STREETS IN A SAFE MANNER.
SO I'M SORRY THAT SOMEONE DECIDED TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALSO PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING TOURS ON CITY STREETS, BUT THAT'S NOT ALLOWED EITHER. THEY HAVE TO HAVE PERMISSION TO USE THE SIDEWALKS.
I MEAN, THERE'S THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN TOLD TO CEASE AND DESIST ON WALKING TOURS AND THE SLIDER.
I UNDERSTAND. OKAY. THANK YOU. AND I APPRECIATE YOUR CONCERN, BUT I'M JUST.
YEAH. IF IT'S NOT IN THE CODE, THEN PEOPLE CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. BUT THAT'S NOT.
THAT'S NOT WHAT THE PEOPLE'S GOVERNMENT REALLY IS.
IS I THINK, A DO WHATEVER YOU WANT BECAUSE IT DOESN'T ADDRESS IT IN THE CODE.
SO, MR. YOUNG, DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? NO. I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO A BETTER REVIEW TO SEE IF ANYBODY WAS GRANTED ANY PERMISSION THAT DIDN'T REQUIRE A FRANCHISE AGREEMENT, BUT THAT'S DENOTED SOMEWHERE.
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OR IF THAT OFFER THAT PRESENTS ITSELF IN ANY WAY AS WELL.OKAY. AND I THINK UNDERSTANDING THE TEACHERS THAT YOU KNOW, WHO RECEIVES A BETA, WHO DOESN'T RECEIVE A BETA. YEAH. AND I JUST I JUST WANT TO I WANTED TO SAY THAT IN CASE.
WHAT WAS THE BETA? HOW WAS IT DEPICTED? I JUST NEED TO UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT.
ANYTHING ELSE? COUNCIL. I DO NOT HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT.
STAFF? CERTAINLY. WE'LL WE'LL REVIEW THE TESTIMONY HERE, AND WE'LL COME BACK WITH A DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT REFLECTS THE INTENDED CHANGES THAT THE COUNCIL HAS DIRECTED US TO DO.
OKAY. NOW, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FIVE C AND FIVE D? FIVE G IS DISCUSSION ON PROJECTS THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING IN THIS YEAR RELATED TO THE BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN.
IF I SUMMARIZE THAT RIGHT. SO OKAY. SO WE'RE COMPLETE WITH FIVE C MOVING ON TO FIVE D.
YES. PERFECT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
OH THAT'S RIGHT. THAT GOT INTO THE GOING OUT TO FIVE D WAS THE
[5.D. Discussion and Direction of the Draft Pedestrian and Bicycle Project List for the Upcoming Fiscal Year. (Bob Middleton, Director of Public Works)]
LETTERS THAT WENT TO THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS TALKING ABOUT THE CONNECTIVITY OF BIKE PATHS AND SIDEWALKS.THIS AFTERNOON, WE ARE HERE TO DISCUSS THE BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN MASTER PLAN 2025 DRAFT PRIORITY LIST.
AN UPDATE TO THE PLAN WAS APPROVED IN JUNE OF 2013.
FOR THE 2022 UPDATE, THE CITY HIRED AN INDEPENDENT CONSULTANT THROUGH AN AGREEMENT WITH COUNCIL APPROVED APPROVED ON DECEMBER 2ND OF 2020. THERE WERE A CONSIDERABLE NUMBER OF CONCERNS RELATED TO THE VALIDITY OF THE COLLECTED SURVEY DATA. YOU MAY RECALL, FOLLOWING THE VHB PRESENTATION IN APRIL OF 2021, THE STREETS AND STORMWATER DEPARTMENT TOOK THE LEAD ON THE PUBLIC OUTREACH EFFORTS.
AS A SUMMARY OF THE PLAN, THE OVERALL FEEDBACK AND INFLUENCE OF THE MASTER PLAN WAS ALIGNED WITH MAINTAINING THE VISION OF THE COMMUNITY WITH CONSIDERATION OF THE PRESERVATION OF THE GREEN SPACE WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
THE PLAN SUPPORTS PEDESTRIAN AND BIKE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT WITH INTEREST IN MINIMIZING THE IMPACTS THROUGH VARIOUS OPTIONS SUCH AS SHARROWS OR REDUCING LANE WIDTHS WHEN POSSIBLE. TO IMPLEMENT IMPROVEMENTS.
THE BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN MASTER PLAN UPDATE WAS ULTIMATELY APPROVED IN 2022.
IT WAS INDICATED AT THE TIME THAT STAFF WOULD RETURN ANNUALLY TO DISCUSS THE PRIORITY PROJECTS FOR THE YEAR, AND THE DEPARTMENT HAS RETURNED EVERY YEAR SINCE.
SO WHAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED OVER THE PAST YEAR? SIDEWALK. ALONG THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE OF 12TH AVENUE NORTH, A CROSSWALK WAS ADDED ON 10TH STREET NORTH ON BOTH THE NORTH AND SOUTH SIDE OF 12TH AVENUE NORTH. THE DEPARTMENT ADDED A CROSSWALK AT LEEWARD LANE AND HARBOR DRIVE.
WE HAVE NOT ENTIRELY COMPLETED THE PROJECT, NOR ANY OF THE OTHERS REQUESTING FLASHERS JUST YET, AS WE ARE AWAITING APPROVAL OF THE NEW CONTRACT FOR THE SUPPLIER FOR PURCHASE OF THE FLASHER UNITS.
OTHER COMPLETED PROJECTS INCLUDE A MISSING SIDEWALK LINK ALONG THIRD STREET SOUTH BETWEEN CENTRAL AND FIRST AVENUE SOUTH SHARROWS ALONG NEAPOLITAN WAY, AND THE CROSSWALK AT NAPLES HIGH ALONG 22ND AVENUE NORTH.
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HOWEVER, THE NEW PROPERTY OWNER FRONTING THE SECTION HAS OBJECTED TO THE SIDEWALK PROJECT.ON THE SCREEN, YOU WILL SEE THE NEW CROSSWALK ALONG 10TH STREET IN 12TH AVENUE NORTH.
THE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT TYPICALLY PLACE FLUSH SIDEWALK IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE ROADWAY.
LOOKS VERY NICE. IN PREPARATION FOR THIS MEETING, THE DEPARTMENT HAS REACHED OUT TO THE PRESIDENT ASSOCIATIONS AND RECEIVED PRIORITY PROJECTS FROM SEVERAL ASSOCIATIONS. DURING THE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS, YOU MAY RECALL THERE WAS $150,000 BUDGETED FOR THE YEAR, CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HAVE BUDGETED HISTORICALLY FOR THESE PROJECTS.
WITHIN YOUR PACKAGE AND ON THE SCREEN, WE HAVE INCLUDED THE DRAFT PROJECT MATRIX.
THEY ARE FULLY UP FOR DISCUSSION, AND AS IN PRIOR YEARS, THERE ARE STILL STEPS THAT WILL NEED TO BE ACCOMPLISHED TO AFFIRM THE PROJECTS ARE SUITABLE. THERE ARE A FEW PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED REQUESTS WHERE WE FORESEE OBSTACLES OR CONCERNS THAT ARE NOT BUDGETED.
STOP SIGNS IS A TOPIC I ALSO WANTED TO BRING UP, AS YOU HAVE SEEN IN YOUR YOUR PACKAGE.
A COMMON REQUEST THAT WE HAVE IS AN INSTALLATION OF STOP SIGNS TO SLOW DRIVERS DOWN.
SO WE RECEIVED THIS REQUEST FROM MANY RESIDENTS WITHIN THE AREA, ASSUMING THAT THEY CAN INSTALL STOP STOP SIGN, AND THAT WILL IMPROVE THE TRAFFIC SAFETY AND SPEEDS PER THE MANUAL OF UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL DEVICES, OR MUTCD, WHICH PROVIDES STANDARDS FOR TRAFFIC CONTROL.
SAFETY STOP SIGNS ARE NOT TO BE INSTALLED FOR TRAFFIC CALMING PURPOSES.
THE INSTALLATION OF STOP SIGNS FOR SPEED CONTROL HAVE BEEN NOTED TO LEAD TO UNSAFE CONDITIONS.
THERE ARE A NUMBER OF REASONS THAT I COULD GO INTO.
I WON'T EXPAND ON THAT, BUT TO GIVE YOU AN OVERVIEW.
THE FIRST PROJECT LOCATION THAT I WANTED TO DISCUSS IS COQUINA SANDS.
PRIMARY REQUEST WAS RECEIVED FOR BIKE AND PED IMPROVEMENTS ALONG ORCHID FROM MANDARIN DRIVE TO US 41 FROM COQUINA SANDS ASSOCIATION. WE HAVE SHARED THAT WE HAVE.
SO THIS WAS ESSENTIALLY A CONCEPTUAL DESIGN OF WHAT WE'VE SUBMITTED IN FOR THIS PROJECT.
THERE IS CONTINUED DISCUSSION ON TRAFFIC CALMING.
THAT'S BEEN A HOT TOPIC IN THIS COQUINA SANDS THAT YOU'VE PROBABLY RECEIVED A FEW EMAILS ABOUT.
LAST YEAR, RESIDENTS SUBMITTED A REQUEST FOR SPEED TABLES ON ORCHID DRIVE.
A TRAFFIC STUDY WAS CONDUCTED, AND THE DATA DOES INDICATE THERE ARE HIGHER SPEEDS ALONG THE STRETCH.
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT HAS REVIEWED THE DATA AND RELAYED.
THEY ARE LOOKING TO INCREASE ENFORCEMENT IN THIS VICINITY.
AND MOST OFTEN, AS I MENTIONED LAST YEAR, THOSE VIOLATORS ARE OFTEN ALONG THAT STRETCH OF ROAD.
THE TOPIC OF TRAFFIC CALMING HAS BEEN A LEADING THEME.
TYPICALLY VERY VARIOUS OPTIONS ARE CONSIDERED.
AND THAT'S ONE THAT WE HAVE LOOKED AT AND CONSIDERED FOR THIS, THIS LOCATION.
BUT I BELIEVE AT THIS TIME WE ARE NOT LOOKING TO PURSUE THAT.
BUT ASKING FOR YOUR OPINION ON THAT AS WE FINALIZE.
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THE NEXT SECTION I WANTED TO SPEAK ABOUT IS OLD NAPLES.OLD NAPLES HAS EXPRESSED INTEREST IN COMPLETING MISSING SIDEWALK LINKS.
THERE ARE CHALLENGES WE HAVE FACED WHEN REACHING OUT TO IMPACTED HOMEOWNERS, BUT WE PLAN TO CONTINUE WITH WORK TO WORK WITH OLD NAPLES AND THE ASSOCIATION AND OTHER ASSOCIATIONS WHERE THERE MAY BE SUPPORT. THE NAPLES PLAYERS REACHED OUT AND DID REQUEST IMPROVEMENTS TO THE FOURTH AVENUE SOUTH SIDEWALK IN CROSSWALK FOR THEIR PATRONS.
AS YOU SEE ON THE SCREEN HERE, THIS IS NEAR SEVENTH STREET SOUTH.
SO I HAVE LISTED THIS ON HERE AS A, AS A PRIORITY PROJECT.
WE HAVE DISCUSSED REPLACEMENT OF THE PAVERS AS PART OF THIS PROJECT WITH A THERMOPLASTIC BRICK PAVER OPTION AND POTENTIAL INSTALLATION OF PEDESTRIAN ACTIVATED FLASHERS FOR SAFETY. AND WE LIKE TO CONTINUE IF THERE'S INTEREST.
THEY DID EXPRESS INTEREST IN THE MISSING SIDEWALK LINKS.
SHALL THERE BE SUPPORT IN THE AREA FROM THE OLD NAPLES ASSOCIATION? THE MOORINGS A PROJECT IDENTIFIED AS A POTENTIAL OPTIONS FOR THE MOORINGS IS A RESTRIPING OF THE BIKE LANES ALONG HARBOR DRIVE.
THAT WAS BASED BASICALLY INFLUENCE OF THE FEEDBACK THAT WE RECEIVED.
THEIR MAIN PRIORITY, HOWEVER OTHERWISE IS SUPPORT OF THE ROUNDABOUT AT HARBOR AND CREIGHTON.
AND DUE TO THE AGING PROPERTIES, THE ELEVATIONS OF MANY OF THE DRIVEWAY CONNECTIONS HAVE BEEN CHALLENGING, AND THEREFORE THE SLOPES BETWEEN CATCH AND HARBOR ARE DIFFICULT TO WALK ON.
WE PLAN TO INVESTIGATE FURTHER, AND MAY POTENTIALLY BE ABLE TO USE ADA FUNDING TO ADDRESS.
WE'LL NEED TO DISCUSS THAT IN HOUSE A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
SUN TERRACE ALSO PRESENTED INTEREST IN THESE POTENTIAL SIDEWALK LOCATIONS IN THE AREA.
WE HAVE WE HAVE DONE A PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION OF THE PROJECTS PROVIDED.
DAVE RIVERA HERE WITH ME TODAY THAT I I'VE I'M SORRY I FAILED TO MENTION.
HE IS ALSO SUPPORTING THIS PROJECT PERSONALLY INVESTIGATED ON SITE AND EXPRESSED CONCERN WITH THE SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPE ALONG THESE CORRIDORS AND THE THE STORMWATER SYSTEMS WHEN CONSIDERING THE SIDEWALKS.
WHILE THERE SHOULD PRIMARILY ONLY BE SWORD IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
PER CODE WITH LIMITED LANDSCAPE. FROM RECENT FEEDBACK, THERE DOES SEEM TO BE A STRONG CONNECTION.
WE HAVE ADDED AVAILABLE FUNDING. BUT WE'LL NEED TO EVALUATE THIS FURTHER IF THIS IS FEASIBLE.
AND THEY'RE FULLY INVESTED INTO THIS. SO THIS YEAR, DUE TO THE MINIMAL FEEDBACK AND INITIAL EVALUATION OF FEASIBILITY OF THE PROJECT PROPOSED, WE ARE REQUESTING RESERVATION OF FUNDS FOR ADDITIONAL PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT YET IDENTIFIED.
YOU WILL SEE THAT WE HAVE NOTED FUNDING FOR CROSSWALK IMPROVEMENTS.
HISTORICALLY HAVE RECEIVED MORE FEEDBACK THROUGHOUT THE YEAR TO AND WE WOULD LIKE TO.
WE WANT TO FULLY VET THESE LOCATIONS BEFORE PROCEEDING.
WE HAVE FUNDED WE DO HAVE FUNDING ALLOTTED FOR THIS IN OUR DRAFT PRIORITY LIST.
WE ALSO HAVE NOTED WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED FEEDBACK FROM ALL THE ASSOCIATIONS, AND THERE ARE ALSO OPPORTUNITIES THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED FOR CONSIDERATION THAT WE WILL NEED TO FURTHER INVESTIGATE FOR FEASIBILITY. YOU SHOULD SEE THAT I TRIED TO INCLUDE ALL THE DOCUMENTATION FROM THE ASSOCIATIONS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEIR FEEDBACK IS. WE'VE STARTED TO DO THAT ANALYSIS AND WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU WERE ABLE TO SEE.
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AND ALSO IN SOME OF THE CASES WHERE WE'VE REACHED OUT AND DIDN'T RECEIVE FEEDBACK.I'VE TRIED A NUMBER OF TIMES WITH RIVER PARK.
I DID END UP HEARING BACK FROM PORT ROYAL. BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY INFLUENCE ON, ON PROVIDING SOME OPINIONS FROM THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD, WE WOULD ALSO LIKE TO RECEIVE THAT.
SO WHAT OTHER CHALLENGES, REQUESTS AND OPTIONS FOR THE PROJECTS DO WE HAVE? ONE OF THE MAIN CHALLENGES IS OPPOSITION FROM PROPERTY OWNERS DIRECTLY IMPACTED.
ONE OF THE OTHER CHALLENGES ARE LANDSCAPING WITHIN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
WE HAVE ALSO ATTEMPTED TO REACH OUT TO OTHER COMMUNITIES, AS I MENTIONED, AND HAVE THAT WITH RIVER PARK, FOR INSTANCE. WE BELIEVE HAVING FUNDING AVAILABLE FOR CONTINUED INPUT IS IMPORTANT.
WE HOPE TO RECEIVE MORE RESPONSES. SHALL THERE BE ANY CONTROVERSIAL OR UNSUPPORTED PROJECTS? WE WOULD NOT PROCEED UNTIL SUPPORT IS RECEIVED, AS WE HAVE HISTORICALLY ATTEMPTED TO TO DO, AND THERE ARE CARRYOVER FUNDS THAT WE DO HOPE TO BE ABLE TO UTILIZE TO FINISH PROJECTS FROM THE PRIOR FISCAL YEAR, AND ALSO UTILIZED FOR OTHER BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN PROJECTS.
WITH THAT, I WANT TO TAKE THE TIME TO EXPRESS MY GRATITUDE TO OUR STREETS TEAM AND ALL THE WORK THAT THEY'VE THEY'VE PUT IN TO MAKE THESE BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN PROJECTS A REALITY EACH YEAR.
WITH THAT, I WILL CONCLUDE MY PRESENTATION AND OFFER IT UP FOR DISCUSSION.
THANK YOU. YES. PETRANOFF. I'VE JUST HEARD FROM A NUMBER OF RESIDENTS IN BOYLE HARBOR AND OYSTER BAY ABOUT THAT BRIDGE AND JUST THE CONTINUING THING WHERE THEY FEEL LIKE THE I GUESS THE BIKE LANE IS UNPROTECTED? YES. AND IS THERE HAVE YOU MET WITH THEM, OR THOUGHT ABOUT ANY WAY TO MAKE IT A LITTLE SAFER? BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF WORKERS COMING INTO TOWN OVER THAT BRIDGE, AND THEY'RE OFTEN GOING AT THE CARS ARE GOING AT EXCESSIVE SPEEDS.
SO YES, WE HAVE AND I THINK IT'S BEEN A COUPLE YEARS BACK, WE HAD ACTUALLY WORKED WITH FDOT.
THERE WERE SOME TEMPORARY IMPROVEMENTS. WE WERE PROPOSING A BARRIER IN BETWEEN.
A PROTECTIVE BARRIER ALONG THAT SECTION. THEY EVALUATED IT AND ESSENTIALLY SAID THAT AT THAT TIME, WITH THE STRUCTURE OF THE BRIDGE, THAT THEY WOULD NOT PERMIT THAT.
THE FEASIBILITY STUDY. THERE'S A P.D.A. THERE WAS ESSENTIALLY A P.D.A.
STUDY FOR THE NORTH SOUTH SECTION OF US 41, AND THERE WAS A PA FROM SCHEDULED THAT ONE HIT, THAT ONE THERE MOVING FORWARD AND NOT DOING THE PD BUT THE OTHER PA.
WHAT'S WHAT'S A PD ANY IT'S A IT'S ESSENTIALLY A STUDY THAT THEY, THEY NEED TO DO BEFORE THEY IS A MULTI-PURPOSE MOBILE DEVICE WHICH FUNCTIONS AS A. WOW, I GUESS I GOT A LOT OF HELP.
I THANK YOU SIRI. SO IT'S ESSENTIALLY A STUDY.
IT'S ESSENTIALLY A STUDY FOR THEM TO LOOK AT THAT, THAT SECTION OF ROAD, EVALUATE IT AND LOOK AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS OR ANY OTHER IMPACTS THAT THEY NEED TO DO TO, TO UNDERTAKE BEFORE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT PROJECT.
SO THAT IS POTENTIAL PLANNED. THAT'S, I THINK PROPOSED, I DON'T KNOW, THE TIME FRAME THAT THAT IS, I THINK IT'S IT'S A LONG WAYS OUT, UNFORTUNATELY.
BUT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR MAKING IMPROVEMENTS AND BIKE AND PED IMPROVEMENTS FROM THAT STRETCH, AND WE'VE BEEN PRESSURING FOR A WHILE NOW TO HAVE THAT.
THEY'VE THEY THEY KNOW THAT THIS IS A HIGH PRIORITY FOR US.
SO HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, WITH ENOUGH PRESSURE WE CAN GET THAT MOVING AHEAD.
BUT I THINK THEY DID START TO LOOK AT IT. THEY LOOKED AT THE WEIGHT.
THEY LOOKED AT. YOU KNOW WE HAVE SOME CROSS SECTIONS ACTUALLY THAT WERE PUT TOGETHER THAT FROM THE IT WAS OUR PRIOR, OUR MOBILITY STUDY THAT WE THAT WAS COMPLETED.
THE I WANT TO SAY DOWNTOWN TRAFFIC MOBILITY STUDY.
NOW I'M GETTING IT CONFUSED WITH OUR NEWER ONE, BUT IT WAS OUR PRIOR ONE.
THEY DID LOOK AT THAT AND THE PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY AND ACTUALLY PUT TOGETHER A CROSS SECTION AND IMPROVEMENTS THAT THEY PROPOSED THAT WERE NECESSARY. THIS QUESTION IS FOR ALLISON.
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IN THERE AND OTHERS THAT ARE GOING IN THERE. PLUS WE HAVE THE MARRIOTT WITH THE CONVENTION CENTER THAT CAN HOLD RIGHT KITTY CORNER FROM THAT METROPOLITAN THAT CAN HOLD UP TO 1900 PEOPLE AND 200, 250 ODD ROOMS, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.SO TIME, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE AND MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO BE WALKING AND BIKING AND USING THAT SPACE THERE IN A VERY LIMITED BASIS TO TRY TO COME OVER TO DOWNTOWN AND, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S ANY WAY TO AND YOU PROBABLY HAVE ALREADY DONE THIS TO EMPHASIZE THE FACT OF THAT, THIS VOLUME COMING OVER THE BRIDGE IS GOING TO GROW AT AN EXPONENTIAL RATE.
AND WE'RE CREATING AND WE'VE GOT AN UNSAFE SITUATION THAT IS GETTING WORSE.
AND AS PART OF SOME OF THESE REDEVELOPMENTS, I'M TRYING TO TO WORK WITH THEM TO ASSURE THAT WE DO HAVE WIDER SIDEWALKS AND PURSUE THAT AS WELL, AS MUCH AS WE CAN. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR.
WELL, YOU LEARN A LOT ABOUT STREETS WHEN YOU TALK TO ALLISON BICKET, I CAN TELL YOU.
AND EVERY TIME YOU TALK, IT REMINDS ME OF THAT.
SO THREE QUICK QUESTIONS. WHAT'S IT COST TO REPLACE ONE SECTION OF SIDEWALK, ROUGHLY IN A NEIGHBORHOOD? ONE SECTION, LIKE, SAY, LIKE A FOOT BALLPARK? 500 BUCKS OR A LOT MORE THAN THAT. I PROBABLY HAVE THE NUMBERS, BUT SINCE WE HAVE MR. RIVERA HERE, HE CAN PROBABLY VERY QUICKLY ANSWER THAT.
HELLO? HELLO. DAVE RIVERA, STREET TRAFFIC OPERATIONS SUPERVISOR.
SUPERINTENDENT. SIR WE PAY BY THE SQUARE FOOT, SO DEPENDING ON THE LENGTH.
SO A SIDEWALK IS LIKE 1450 A SQUARE FOOT. OKAY.
AND THAT'S IF WE HAVE AN OLD ONE THAT'S REMOVAL AND INSTALLED.
OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. THAT KIND OF HELPS IT PUT IT IN PERSPECTIVE FOR ME.
THANK YOU FOR THAT, MR. RIVERA. ON THE SCREEN, WE YOU WERE POINTING TO A SECTION OF CROSSWALK THAT WAS BRICK, AND IT WAS OVER BY TRULUX, AND I THINK IT WAS ON FOURTH AVENUE SOUTH.
THERE IT IS RIGHT THERE. WHAT'S WRONG WITH THAT SECTION THAT PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT REPLACING IT? I BELIEVE THAT THERE'S JUST BEEN IT'S IT'S OLDER THE BRICK PAVERS, THEY TEND TO NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE MAINTENANCE WITH THEM.
AND I THINK THAT IT WAS MORE OR LESS THEIR CONCERN WAS THE VISIBILITY.
THEY WERE INTERESTED IN SIGNAGE. AND I THINK THE, THE, I THINK THAT THEY ALSO HAD INTEREST IN THE FLASHING UNITS OUT THERE TO REALLY BRING ATTENTION TO THAT CROSSWALK. AND THEN WHEN YOU ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PLAZA WHERE NAPLES PLAYERS IS ON FIFTH AVENUE, RIGHT IN FRONT OF VAGINAS, THE RESTAURANT, IS THAT ALSO BRICK OR.
NO, THAT. YES. SO WE WOULD WOULD WE NEED TO REPLACE BOTH AREAS? NO. WHY IS THAT? OH, I'LL BE IN THAT WHERE THE CRA IS LOOKING AT FIFTH AVENUE ON THE THE NEW STREETSCAPE TYPE DESIGN. I WOULD LET CHRIS HANDLE THAT SECTION OF IT.
I SEE. AND IT I WOULD RECOMMEND COMPLETELY RIPPING THAT OUT AND REDOING IT AGAIN.
I MEAN, IT'S IT'S BEEN THERE A LONG TIME. MR. RIVERA, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FIFTH AVENUE SIDE AND THIS SIDE, OR JUST THE FIFTH AVENUE BETWEEN.
YES. VAGINAS AND PRIME. YEAH. SO THAT SECTION THERE, WHICH IS WIDE.
WE JUST PUT NEW FLASHERS ALONG THERE. YES. YES.
BUT THEN BRICKS ARE REALLY BEAT UP, AND THEY NEED TO BE EVENTUALLY ALL PULLED OUT AND REDONE.
I WAS JUST GOING TO. IF YOU COULD OUT OF THAT.
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE ONE THAT'S ACTUALLY UP HERE ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, OR DO WE CAN WE JUST SPRUCE IT UP WITH FLASHERS AND SOME SIGNAGE? OR DO WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO? I WOULD RECOMMEND REPLACING IT BECAUSE THEY THE BRICKS HAVE SETTLED AND IT'S ALL OKAY.
THAT'S FINE. THAT'S A FOLLOW UP TO THAT. SO I NEED TO HEAR.
THANK YOU. I DO USUALLY CHECK WITH HIM TO TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE.
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SO A I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE WE'VE HAD ANY ISSUES FOR SAFETY BECAUSE THAT IS BRICK WE USUALLY.AND WHY WE WOULDN'T PUT THE WHAT'S IT CALLED? THE THERMOPLASTIC. YES. THERMOPLASTIC. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO WITH THIS.
SO WE DO ENCOURAGE TYPICALLY THE THE THERMOPLASTIC OPTION.
SOME, SOME PEOPLE LIKE THE THE LOOK OF THE BRICK.
BUT YES. EITHER REPLACE IT BRICK, THE BRICK OR WE RIP IT ALL OUT.
WE HAVE TO FILL IT UP WITH ASPHALT, GET IT LEVELED, AND THEN PUT THE THERMAL BRICK CROSSWALK.
THE GOOD THING ABOUT THERMAL BRICK CROSSWALK IS IF UTILITIES HAPPEN TO DIG ACROSS IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, IT'S EASY TO PIECE BACK TOGETHER WITH THE THERMAL AND PUT IT DOWN AND MATCH IT AGAIN.
BRICK, SOMETIMES THEY TEND TO GET LOST AND THEN WE'RE HUNTING TO TRY TO MATCH THEM BRICKS AGAIN.
OKAY. THANK YOU. KRAMER. OH, NO. CHRISMAN. AND THEN KRAMER.
THANK YOU. MAYOR. SO FIRST OF ALL, GREAT WORK ON THIS.
AND I THINK THE PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING RECOMMENDED ARE ALL MAKE SENSE.
IN TERMS OF THE SURVEY, I THINK THE LEVEL OF OUTREACH THAT WE DO ANNUALLY NOW ON THIS THROUGH THE HOS IS COMMENDABLE AND REALLY WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING. AND OBVIOUSLY YOU DON'T GET A RESPONSE FROM EVERYBODY, BUT YOU LOOK THROUGH THE EMAILS THAT YOU PUT IN THE PACKET, PEOPLE, GENERALLY SPEAKING, RESPOND AND YOU GET GOOD, GOOD FEEDBACK AND DATA THAT WAY. I WANT TO TALK ABOUT ALTHOUGH AND MR. REVERE STAY RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BE ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT WILL NEED TO HELP ANSWER THIS.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT STOP SIGNS AND CROSSWALKS AND, AND AND IN THIS CONTEXT AS I, YOU KNOW, TRIED TO DIGEST THE INFORMATION YOU'VE PROVIDED.
AND I'VE ALSO BEEN TALKING TO MOST OF THE HOA'S JUST ABOUT A LOT OF THINGS IN RECENT MONTHS.
THE I WOULD SAY THE ONE. NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAD A A SEVERAL REQUESTS THAT SEEMED TO ME TO BE REASONABLE AND IN SOME CASES LONG STANDING, BUT WE'RE NOT INCLUDED. AGAIN, THIS YEAR WAS LAKE PARK AND SPECIFICALLY THE STOP SIGN REQUEST AT ON 10TH STREET AT 12TH AVENUE AND ALSO 12TH AND 12TH, AND ALSO THE CROSSWALKS AT THE ROUNDABOUTS ON SEVENTH AND AND, AND THE AND BUT LET'S START WITH THE STOP SIGNS.
YOU HAD A SLIDE ABOUT STOP SIGNS, AND I WILL JUST SAY THIS THAT SINCE I'VE BEEN ON COUNCIL, THE INSTALLATION OF NEW STOP SIGNS IS ONE OF THE GREATEST CHALLENGES THAT I'VE SEEN WITHIN THE CITY IN TERMS OF GETTING CONSENSUS AND APPROVAL. AND YOU KNOW, WHEN I THINK BACK ON TWO SITUATIONS, ONE WAS EIGHTH STREET, RIGHT AFTER THE NEW EIGHTH STREET WE'LL CALL IT WAS COMPLETED, BUT ALSO ON GULF SHORE BOULEVARD.
AND WHERE THERE WAS RESONANT INTEREST IN SEEING STOP SIGNS INSTALLED AS A, AS A WAY OF REDUCING, SPEEDING THROUGH THE NEIGHBORHOOD OR THROUGH THAT ON THAT STREET, THROUGH THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND INITIALLY RESISTANCE TO THAT ON THE PART OF THE CITY IN TERMS OF JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T THINK WE NEED IT. AND ULTIMATELY, IT WAS PUT IN.
AND, YOU KNOW, I SEE YOUR POINT. I SEE YOUR SLIDE ABOUT STOP SIGNS REALLY SHOULDN'T BE UTILIZED FOR TRAFFIC CALMING PURPOSES. BUT, YOU KNOW, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU ALL VERY OFTEN,
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BUT IN THIS CASE, I IT REALLY RAISES QUESTIONS IN MY MIND, PARTICULARLY WHEN YOU'RE USING THIS, THIS NATIONAL DATA OR NATIONAL MANUAL, BECAUSE I THINK AND I'VE SAID THIS IN OTHER SITUATIONS TO OTHER CONTEXTS, OFTENTIMES I THINK NATIONAL DATA THAT WE RELY ON AND PERHAPS NEED TO RELY ON MAY NOT BE APPLICABLE TO A SITUATION LIKE NAPLES, GIVEN THE SIZE CITY THAT WE ARE, SIZE TOWN WE ARE AS A AND THAT THESE PARAMETERS AND GUIDELINES MAY MAKE MORE SENSE IN LARGER CITIES AND LESS SO IN OUR CONTEXT, BUT CERTAINLY IN THE, IN THE, IN THE IN THE CASE OF 10TH STREET, WHICH TO ME IS SOMEWHAT SIMILAR TO EIGHTH STREET IN TERMS OF ITS UTILITY. RIGHT. HAVING THE ABILITY TO SLOW TRAFFIC DOWN, PUT WHATEVER THE VOLUME IS, WHATEVER THE VOLUME IS, BUT STILL TO SLOW THAT, WHATEVER THE VOLUME IS, THAT TRAFFIC DOWN AS IT PROCEEDS NORTH AND SOUTH IS YOU KNOW, GIVEN THE DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE LAKE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE NUMBER OF KIDS THAT LIVE THERE AND ALL THE REST FAMILIES WITH KIDS, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD REALLY TAKE A HARD LOOK AT. 12TH AND 12TH.I HAVE LESS OF A PERSONAL FEEL FOR, BUT I I KNOW THAT'S HIGH ON THEIR MINDS, TOO, BECAUSE OF THE PROXIMITY TO LAKE PARK ELEMENTARY AND AND SO I JUST WANTED TO, TO RAISE THIS AND, YOU KNOW, THE LAKE PARK BOARD UNANIMOUSLY MADE THIS THEIR TOP PRIORITY. THEY'RE STILL CONCERNED ABOUT IT AND NOT HAPPY THAT IT'S NOT BEEN VIEWED MORE POSITIVELY BY THE CITY. SO I THOUGHT THIS WAS A MOMENT WHERE THIS OUGHT TO BE AIRED AND BROUGHT UP TO YOU, IF I MAY. I MEAN, THAT WAS BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION OVER TWO YEARS AGO, RIGHT? I TOOK MY TIME DURING THE SEASON, WAITED TO SEASON HIGHER VOLUMES, AND DID STUDIES AT BOTH OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS, AND THEY BOTH CAME BACK. THEY DID NOT MEET FOR A FOUR WAY OR A THREE WAY STOP SIGN AT THE LOCATIONS BASED ON VOLUME.
BASED ON VOLUME, THERE'S A CERTAIN FORMULA WITHIN AN EIGHT HOUR PERIOD OF OF A DAY.
IT DOESN'T MATTER. THIS MANUAL. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT TIME, WHAT YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE EVENING, MORNING, MIDDAY AS LONG AS THEY'RE CONSISTENT.
EIGHT HOURS. AND I TRIED ALL KINDS OF WAY. AND IT JUST DID NOT MEET THE NUMBERS THAT MR. RIVERA. LET ME JUST PUSH BACK A LITTLE BIT. I'M GONNA MAKE UP SOME NUMBERS NOW, IF YOU IF YOU HAD 80 CARS WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME PERIOD, AND UNLESS YOU GOT TO A HUNDRED CARS, IT DIDN'T MEET THE STANDARD.
BUT THOSE 80 CARS WERE WERE BEING DRIVEN AT EXCESSIVE SPEEDS.
DOESN'T THAT STILL COUNT AS A REASON FOR THE DESIRABILITY FOR A STOP SIGN THERE? AS FAR AS THE MANUAL, IT DOESN'T STATE SPEEDS NOW.
IT DOES STATE ACCIDENTS. WE DID ALSO CONDUCT CYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIAN COUNTS BECAUSE THOSE COUNT AS WELL, WHICH WOULD HELP. AND EVEN WITH THAT, I SEND MY GUYS EVERY TWO HOURS.
BUT IT'S PURELY A VOLUME CRITERIA, VOLUME OR NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS PER YEAR.
AND, AND OR IF THERE'S A SIGHT DISTANCE VISIBILITY ISSUE IS ANOTHER.
THERE WAS SOME EXISTING LANDSCAPE THAT THE HOMEOWNER DID NOT WANT TO REMOVE.
WE LOOKED AT THAT AND IN EVALUATION OF THAT CRITERIA, AND THAT, I THINK, WAS ULTIMATELY WHAT TRIGGERED THE OTHER LOCATION THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO. AND THEN WE INSTALLED A STOP SIGN AT CENTRAL AND GULF SHORE BOULEVARD THAT HAD NOT BEEN THERE BEFORE.
WAS IT CENTRAL OR WAS IT. YES, CENTRAL. BUT THAT ONE DID WARRANT.
YES. BASED ON VOLUME. BASED ON VOLUME. IT SURPRISED ME WHEN I DID THE STUDY.
I DIDN'T THINK IT WOULD, BUT, YEAH, IT TRIPPED IT.
SO THE ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE A SPEED BUMP. WE COULD LOOK AT OTHER.
WELL, THERE'S OTHER ALTERNATIVES FOR FOR TRAFFIC CALMING.
BUT TO LOOK AT ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE TRAFFIC CALMING MEASURE.
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PROMOTE LOWER SPEEDS. AND SO SINCE WE INSTALLED THE CROSSWALKS THERE, BOTH CROSSWALKS ON BOTH SIDES OF 12TH, I IT SEEMS LIKE SOME OF THE VEHICLES HAVE SLOWED DOWN BECAUSE IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A STOP BAR TO THEM, SO THEY TEND TO SLOW DOWN. BUT I'M NOT GOING TO GUARANTEE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO ANOTHER SPEED STUDY THERE AND COMPARE IT TO OUR LAST DATA THAT WE COLLECTED THERE. WILL YOU COME. YOU COME. YOU KNOW I LIVE IN, IN SORT OF THE NORTH END OF OLD NAPLES AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA USE LAKE PARK AS A CUT THROUGH INCLUDING SEVENTH, OF COURSE, AND 12TH.BUT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A, A STOP SIGN AT. AND I'M JUST GOING TO LAST THING I'M GOING TO SAY, AND I'LL STOP YOU. SEVENTH AND 10TH. THERE'S A STOP SIGN.
CORRECT. OR IS THAT STOP STOPLIGHT, STOPLIGHT.
AND THEN YOU GO. AND THEN YOU IF YOU HEAD NORTH ON 10TH STREET.
YOU KNOW, FROM SEVENTH TO 12TH IS A IS A PRETTY GOOD DISTANCE.
IT'S A PRETTY GOOD DISTANCE. WE HAVE A STOP SIGN AT 10TH AND 10TH FOR WAY.
THAT'S RIGHT. 10TH AND 10TH IS. AND THEN WE HAVE ONE ON 15TH AND 10TH AS WELL.
RIGHT. AND BUT EVEN EVEN JUST BECAUSE OF HOW LONG THE BLOCKS ARE FROM 10TH TO 12TH IS STILL, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, A HUNDRED YARDS OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW.
SO ANYWAY, I THINK I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THIS.
I THINK WHAT I'M TRYING TO SHARE WITH YOU IS THAT THE FOLKS IN LAKE PARK VIEW THIS AS A TOP ISSUE.
AND I THINK IT WOULD BEHOOVE OUR, OUR TEAM TO SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND HAVE A FURTHER CONVERSATION ABOUT OPTIONS AND WHAT MIGHT BE DONE TO TO DEAL WITH THESE ISSUES.
AND AS FAR AS THE CROSSWALKS BY THE ROUNDABOUTS, THAT WAS JUST BROUGHT UP RECENTLY.
AND USUALLY ROUNDABOUTS HAVE A LANDING AREA IN THE MIDDLE WHERE YOU CAN STOP.
AND THERE'S NOTHING THERE TO PROVIDE THAT EXTRA SAFETY FOR THEM TO CROSS THERE.
AND I'M JUST PROVIDING FEEDBACK AS ANOTHER THING FROM A PEDESTRIAN STANDPOINT, BECAUSE THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC IN THAT AREA, I'M TOLD. BUT NO, WE'LL DEFINITELY LOOK INTO IT.
BUT I THINK THE STOP SIGN ISSUE SEEMS TO BE A MORE PRESSING CONCERN IN THE MINDS OF FOLKS THERE, AT LEAST THE FOLKS WHO ARE REPRESENTING THE LEADERSHIP OF THE COMMUNITY AND COUNCILMAN CHRISTMAN.
I WOULD I WOULD PUT FORTH THAN THE TYPICAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND AS THAT AREA CONTINUES TO SHIFT TOWARDS EVEN MORE CAR DEALERSHIP ACTIVITIES, THEN WE LOOK FOR THOSE STREETS BEING USED MORE SO IN THAT WAY.
SO AGAIN, JUST THE CALL US. JUST THINK ABOUT IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YES, THAT'S GOOD FEEDBACK.
KRAMER. YEAH. LET'S SHIFT GEARS TO THE NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL.
MISS ALLISON, 13TH AND 22ND. SECOND? YES. AND YOU SAID THERE ARE FOLKS THAT ARE FUSSY ABOUT THEIR LANDSCAPE THAT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY. YES. BECAUSE WHEN I LOOK AT IT, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ONLY I CAN SEE ONE SPOT WHERE THAT WOULD BE TROUBLE ON THE WEST SIDE OF THE ROAD. WOULD THERE BE ANYTHING? THE EAST IS PRETTY.
YEAH. SKETCHY IN THIS PHOTO. YEAH. I MEAN, WE WE DID.
NO NO NO, I'M TALKING I, I LIVE THERE. OKAY. OR YOU CAN LOOK AT GOOGLE MAPS.
THERE'S LIKE THE ONE DUDE THAT HAS THE WEST SIDE IS WAY MORE CLEAR THAN THE EAST SIDE.
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HAVE MY, ALL MY STUFF HAD TO START OUT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.THAT WAS OH THREE. THAT THAT'S THE CASE, RIGHT.
YES. THAT'S THAT'S THE, THE CASE. AND, AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE I EXPECT THERE TO BE SOME RESISTANCE TO ONLY BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE OTHER DISCUSSIONS WE'VE HAD IS PARTICULARLY WITH THE FIBER ISSUES AND DISRUPTION OF THEIR LANDSCAPING AND THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THEN. BECAUSE IF THERE'S ONE.
HOW COME HOW COME IT'S OKAY FOR THEM TO HAVE THEIRS IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND I CAN'T WELL, I MEAN, WE I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A CATCH. WE WE'VE TRIED TO HANDLE THE VIOLATORS THROUGHOUT THE CITY, BUT, AGAIN, THERE'S A LOT OF LOVE FOR THESE THIS LANDSCAPING, THIS PREEXISTING LANDSCAPING.
I'VE HAD MY TREE OUT THERE IN SOME INSTANCES FOR 30 YEARS.
MY GREAT GRANDPARENT PLANTED THAT TREE, AND I CAN'T BEAR TO LOSE THAT TREE, I PROMISE YOU.
THAT'S. I'VE HEARD THAT BEFORE. I BELIEVE YOU, BUT I CAN PROMISE YOU THE HOUSE I'M LOOKING AT.
IT WASN'T THERE 30 YEARS AGO, BUDDY. SO WE CAN GO FROM 13 TO 26.
CAN CONNECT THE ONE ON 26. HERE'S WHAT I KNOW.
YOU KNOW, WHEN SCHOOL GETS OUT THAT IT'S LIKE A TRIBE WALKING DOWN 13TH NORTH.
AND I HAVE NO I HAVE NO PROBLEMS ADDRESSING THAT WITH THE RESIDENTS.
AS LONG AS WE HAVE SUPPORT, UNDERSTANDING THAT THOSE RESIDENTS DO REALIZE THAT THEY NEED TO TO UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THAT VEGETATION MIGHT NEED TO BE REMOVED.
AND THAT'S A PROBLEM, THAT A CONCERN THAT I HAVE EVEN FOR OUR FUTURE GRANT PROJECT THAT WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO REACH OUT AND, AND ALL ALONG, 26, I BELIEVE. YEAH. 26 AND WHEN WE MET LAST TIME.
THERE WAS A COUPLE FOLKS THAT SAID SOMETHING ABOUT THEY DIDN'T WANT THAT SIDEWALK AND HOW COME WE SHOULD HAVE A SIDEWALK, BUT THAT'S OKAY. THEY HAVE THEIR OPINION. OKAY.
BECAUSE THIS THIS SIDEWALK HERE, WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TO PUT IT RIGHT ALONG THE ROAD EDGE LIKE WE DID THE ONE ON 12 DUE TO THE SWALE AND REMODIFY THE SWALE WORK. IF YOU'RE ON THAT SIDE OF THE SWALE, THEN I GUESS SO.
YEAH, BUT THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD EVEN NOT REALLY DISTURB WHATEVER THEY HAD PLANTED.
TYPICALLY PER CODE, IT'S USUALLY AT THE PROPERTY LINE WHERE WE PUT THE PLACE, THE SIDEWALK.
AND WE WANT TO HAVE AT LEAST A MINIMUM FIVE FOOT SIDEWALK RIGHT ALONG THE STRETCH.
SO WE'LL HAVE TO FURTHER ANALYZE IT. IT WAS JUST I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP AS A CONCERN.
AND IF THERE'S BACKING FOR IT, THEN I'M GLAD.
I THINK THERE WOULD BE. I REALLY DO YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO IF YOU'RE WALKING YOUR IF YOU'RE OUT STROLLING WITH YOUR STROLLER, IT ENDS RIGHT THERE. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TURN AROUND AND GO BACK TOWARDS 41 ON, ON 22ND, BUT IT JUST KIND OF MAKES SENSE THAT YOU COULD CONNECT ALL THE DOTS RIGHT THERE. IF WE DID HAVE THAT, WE COULD HAVE A PRETTY GOOD SIZE SQUARE FOR FOLKS, NEIGHBORHOOD AND KIDS.
SO THAT'S WHAT I'M THINKING OF. AND MAINLY THE KIDS COMING AND GOING, GETTING OUT OF SCHOOL.
THAT'S THAT'S THEIR WARM UP. THEY RUN BETWEEN 22ND AND 26TH AS THEY'RE GETTING READY TO GO, ESPECIALLY MIDDLE DISTANCE. THAT'S THEIR DEAL. I'M NOT SAYING THAT WOULD CHANGE, BUT IT'D BE NICE IF THEY HAD ANOTHER OPTION THAN THE ROAD.
WE CAN CONTINUE TO PURSUE THAT. OKAY. IF YOU NEED MY HELP, I'M PRETTY DARN PERSUASIVE.
THANKS. SO AND. THIS IS NOT MEANT AS A CRITICISM.
I'M REALLY CURIOUS TO KNOW. WE DON'T TALK VERY OFTEN ABOUT RAISED CROSSWALKS.
IS THAT A PARTICULAR SOMETHING THAT'S JUST BECOMING SORT OF PASSÉ, OR.
I LIKE THEM FOR TWO REASONS. LARGELY FOR PEDESTRIAN SAFETY.
YOU KNOW, I JUST HAVE A FEELING IF I'M ON A RAISED CROSSWALK.
AND AGAIN, I'M NOT BEING CRITICAL. I'M JUST WONDERING WHY WE DON'T INCORPORATE RAISED CROSSWALKS MORE OFTEN INTO OUR PEDESTRIAN WALKING PLAN OR OUR STREETS PLAN AT ALL. WE, WE TYPICALLY THAT FOR THESE IT'S IT'S ESSENTIALLY A TRAFFIC CALMING APPLICATION.
SO IT IS SOMETHING IT'S IT'S ESSENTIALLY A SPEED TABLE WITH THE, THE CROSSWALK THROUGH.
WE DO HAVE, WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE AT BAKER PARK.
YES. AND SO WE'RE NOT WE DON'T OBJECT TO THEM, BUT TYPICALLY WE TRY TO GO THROUGH THAT PROPER CHANNEL BECAUSE OF THE DOWNSIDES OR PUSHBACK THAT WE RECEIVE SOMETIMES FROM INSTALLATION OF SPEED TABLES.
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BECAUSE IT STILL HAS KIND OF THOSE SAME IMPLICATIONS, BUT THAT IS POTENTIALLY AN OPTION THAT WE COULD EVEN CONSIDER IN LAKE PARK.SHALL THERE BE SUPPORT OF THOSE NEW CROSSWALKS THAT WE INSTALLED? WE COULD CONSIDER THAT TO BE AN ELEVATED CROSSWALK OPTION AND COUNCIL WITHOUT PUTTING TERRIBLY ON THE SPOT.
DO YOU? IS THERE A BIAS OR A CONCERN ABOUT THEM IN ANY WAY? I THINK THAT WE NEED TO JUST BE CONSISTENT IN WHATEVER WE'VE DECIDED AND GIVE US THE COUNCIL THE REASONS ON WHY AND WHERE WE WOULD DO RAISED CROSSWALKS.
AND IF WE DO IT THERE, I WOULD RECOMMEND DOING A RAISED INTERSECTION, BEING THAT YOU HAVE TWO CROSSWALKS TOO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER AND SO ELEVATE THE WHOLE INTERSECTION ACROSS, PUT CROSSWALKS IN IT.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO SLOW DOWN THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE THING.
YEAH, I, I DON'T KNOW THE IMPACTS ON WHAT THAT DOES WITH THE DRAINAGE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
AND THAT'S A POLICY WE SHOULD PROBABLY DISCUSS.
PERHAPS IT'D BE CHEAPER JUST TO PUT THE STOP SIGNS.
THAT'S. IF IT'S NOT WARRANTED. I'LL ACCEPT THAT.
IT'D BE REALLY CHEAP TO GO OUT THERE WITH THE HAIR DRYER AND SIT ON THE MOTORCYCLE.
OKAY. THANK YOU FOR ENTERTAINING THAT DISCUSSION.
SO 26TH, WHAT IS THE HOLD UP ON 26TH? IT'S ESSENTIALLY BEEN FDOT.
AND I THINK THEY HAVE A NEW CONSULTANT THAT THEY THEY HAVE A NEW CONTRACT.
AND SO THAT CONSULTANT, I THINK THEY WERE HIRING AND GOING THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS THAT HAS HELD IT UP AS FAR AS THE DESIGN PORTION, THEY DID AT ONE POINT SAY THEY WERE DROPPING THE THE CONSTRUCTION.
AND I WAS LIKE, THIS IS A TOP PRIORITY FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
I THINK THAT THEY HEARD HEARD ME AND US, AND I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO BE CONTINUING TO MOVE FORWARD.
THE CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS FOLLOWING DESIGN.
YEAH. IT JUST IT AMAZES ME THAT I THINK WE APPROVED THAT TWO YEARS AGO.
IT'S A VERY LONG PROCESS. WE ACTUALLY HAD SENT OUT NOTICES TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD ALONG ALONG THAT ENTIRE SECTION AT LEAST A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO TO NOTIFY THEM, BECAUSE WE WERE WE WERE ALREADY REACHING OUT TO THEIR CONSULTANT AND BEING PREPARED.
I WAS ASKING ABOUT THE SURVEY, TRYING TO GET IT MOVING.
IT JUST NEVER MOVED FORWARD. AND NOW THEY DID.
THEY DID STATE THAT THEY'RE WORKING WITH THIS NEW CONSULTANT.
I DON'T KNOW WHO IT IS, BUT WE HOPEFULLY ARE GOING TO BE.
WELL, NOW THAT IT'S MARKED FOR CABLE AND WHATEVER ELSE, THERE'S A BUNCH OF FLAGS ON THERE.
I GUESS IN RETROSPECT, IT'S A GOOD THING THAT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN, BUT THERE ARE SWALES THERE THAT ALSO ARE TO BE CONSIDERED RIVER PARK. THEY CAME IN AND SAID THAT THEY HAD NEEDS FOR CONNECTIVITY.
IS THERE NOTHING? I DON'T SEE ANYTHING IN PROPOSED.
THEY DIDN'T REACH OUT. THEY DIDN'T RECEIVE. I DID NOT RECEIVE A RESPONSE.
I DID HEAR ABOUT THAT CONNECTION FOR THE THE BRIDGE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE I MEAN, THAT WOULD BE A MAJOR PROJECT FOR THE BRIDGE.
I MEAN, WE I THINK WE DISCUSSED THAT IN CRA AND SAID, NO THANK YOU.
SO I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT.
WHAT, WHAT WHAT WAS IT THAT THEY'RE SAYING IS NOT CONNECTED IN THE SIDEWALK HERE? JUST JUST TO BE ACCURATE, THE THE BRIDGE IDEA, THE SECOND BRIDGE, YOU KNOW, FROM BAKER PARK ACROSS THE RIVER, GREENWAY BRIDGE THAT REALLY CAME FROM THE CRAB, NOT FROM THE RIVER PARK COMMUNITY.
RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. I JUST THINK THAT WE HEARD THAT THEY HAD ISSUES AND IT WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW, IN PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE WHAT IT IS THAT SO WE CAN LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THIS YEAR, NEXT YEAR. SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, NOT REACHING OUT TO THE HOA'S AND SAYING, WHAT DO YOU WANT? LET'S LOOK AT IT FROM A MORE PRACTICAL WAY OF WHERE DO WE HAVE THE MISSING LINKS, AND HOW CAN WE FILL THOSE IN?
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PORT ROYAL DID. THEY DIDN'T RESPOND? THEY DID RESPOND.THIS MORNING I DID RECEIVE A RESPONSE. THEY STATED THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY PROJECTS FOR THIS YEAR.
OKAY. AND SO WE TALKED ABOUT ROYAL HARBOR. WE TALKED ABOUT LAKE PARK.
SO WHAT'S THERE'S NOT A PROJECT THEN IN LAKE PARK THIS YEAR? NO, BUT AS I MENTIONED, WE ARE WE DO HOPE TO OR PLAN TO HAVE FUNDS ALLOTTED FOR JUST SOME GENERAL PROJECTS WHETHER IT'S MISSING LINKS OR THESE FLASHING UNITS FOR THE CROSSWALKS.
SO ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE WOULD LIKE YOUR SUPPORT TO FOR THOSE PROJECTS.
SHALL WE RECEIVE MORE FEEDBACK. AND LOOKING AT EVEN THE FEASIBILITY OF SOME OF THESE PROJECTS AS WELL? OKAY. THE LAKE PARK, WE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT THEM TO TRAFFIC CALMING CIRCLES AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO AS FAR AS CROSSWALKS THERE.
YEAH, THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW IN THE WORLD YOU DO THAT.
I DIDN'T I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT BECAUSE WE WOULD HAVE TO PROBABLY RELOCATE THE YIELD SIGNS EVEN FARTHER BACK, ALLOWING THE CROSSWALK TO BE THERE. BEFORE THE CIRCLE.
SO IT'S IN LAKE PARK? YES. YEAH, THAT WAS A REQUEST FROM THE LAKE PARK ASSOCIATION.
SO. AND THEN THIS CREEK ROAD CAN'T THAT'S ON FOR SUN TERRACE ISN'T ONE SIDE OF THE CREEK IN THE COUNTY AND ONE SIDE IN THE CITY, CORRECT? OKAY, SO HAVE WE DETERMINED ON WHICH SIDE IS BETTER FOR A SIDEWALK? THIS COUNTY SIDE, I WOULD ASSUME. WE CAN ASK.
IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR US JUST TO LOOK INTO IT.
I KNOW THAT CREECH IS REALLY THE ROAD THAT IF I KNOW THERE WAS A REQUEST ON HOW TO GET FROM FREEDOM PARK OVER TO THE SUN TERRACE AND LAKE PARK OR SUN TERRACE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO THAT, SINCE THE COUNTY WENT AND PUT THAT INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT.
BARRIERS TO GOOD. I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW YOU WOULD DO.
IT'S A VERY NARROW ROAD ON TOP OF IT. OKAY, THAT WOULD BE A BRIDGE RIGHT BY THE TENNIS COURTS.
YEAH. OH, THERE YOU GO. OVER, OVER. OVER PAST.
OH, MADAM MAYOR, I'LL TELL YOU THAT THAT ROAD IS VERY NARROW.
AND IF YOU EVER IF YOU'VE EVER DRIVEN IT, THE CITY SIDE ON CREECH, THE CITY SIDE IS IT'S GOT FENCES AND AND BUSHES AND EVERYTHING RIGHT DOWN THE ROADWAY. I MEAN, IT'S RIGHT. SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ROOM FOR A SIDEWALK.
GOOD LUCK. YEAH. SO THAT GOES BACK TO MY POLICY.
WHAT IS OUR POLICY? IF SOMEONE PUTS IN A SPEC HOME OR A NEW HOME? IS THERE A REQUIREMENT TO PUT IN A SIDEWALK? NO, IT'S NOT FOR THE CODE.
IT'S NOT FOR A RESIDENTIAL AND SINGLE FAMILY UNITS.
IT'S ONLY FOR THE CODE ONLY REQUIRES SIDEWALK ADJACENT TO MULTIFAMILY PROPERTIES OR IN A PUD, PD PROPERTY OR ALONG COMMERCIAL AREA AND IN DOWNTOWN AREA.
SO THOSE ARE THE, THE TRIGGERS WE DO NOT REQUIRE.
AND SINGLE FAMILY, I ALWAYS SAID WE SHOULD CHANGE THAT.
I, I, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT IT BECAUSE THERE WE GO.
I BROUGHT IT UP BACK WHEN GREG WAS HERE THAT WE SHOULD BRING THAT UP AND MAKE IT ALL CITY HOMES.
AND EVEN IF WE DON'T PUT THE SIDEWALK THERE, AT LEAST IT CAN GO INTO THE BANK TO USE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE TO COMPLETE THE SIDEWALKS THAT WE'RE MISSING, OR ADD NEW SIDEWALKS. BUT, WELL, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO LOOK AT.
BUT I MEAN, THERE ARE JUST CERTAIN AREAS WHERE YOU COULDN'T EVEN PUT A SIDEWALK.
I MEAN, YOU'RE IN, BUT THAT'S A ON ONE ON ONE CASE, SO.
ANYTHING ELSE? NO, MA'AM. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. VICE MAYOR.
YEAH. I'D BE REMISS IF I DIDN'T SAY THIS, BUT AS YOU LOOK AT THE CROSS, THE ROUNDABOUTS IN LAKE PARK AND HOW TO ADDRESS THE CROSSINGS, TRY TO BE CREATIVE AND COME UP WITH SOMETHING FOR THE DUCKS.
THEY'VE. I'VE. I'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS. I'M JUST.
I'M JUST SAYING. OH, WE HAVE PLENTY OF DUCK SIGNS AROUND HERE BEFORE.
OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT CONCLUDES FIVE D.
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I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO, SINCE WE POSTPONED FIVE B TO MOVE FORWARD ON FIVE B.[5.B. Discussion and Direction Regarding Inspections of Stormwater Management Systems. (Bob Middleton, Director of Public Works)]
AND THAT IS THE DISCUSSION ON THE INSPECTION OF STORMWATER.AND THEN WE'LL BE BACK TO FIVE F. CORRECT. THANK YOU.
GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. DAN ORENSTEIN, CITY ENGINEER.
HERE TO GIVE YOU A PRESENTATION ON STORMWATER ORDINANCE INSPECTIONS.
FIRST, WE'LL DO A QUICK REVIEW OF THE HISTORY.
IN 1992, THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT UTILITY WAS ESTABLISHED.
THEN IN 2007, WE PASSED OUR FIRST ORDINANCE. THE GOALS OF THE ORDINANCE WERE TO PROVIDE PRETREATMENT OF STORMWATER, PROTECT LOW LYING AREAS, AND COMPLEMENT THE EXISTING STORMWATER SYSTEM.
THAT BRINGS US TO THE 2021 ORDINANCE, WHOSE OVERARCHING GOALS WERE TO INCENTIVIZE DESIGNS TO MAXIMIZE GREEN SPACE AND USE BEST PRACTICES TO ANTICIPATE LARGER STORM EVENTS. SO THAT BRINGS US TO THE INSPECTION PORTION OF THE ORDINANCE.
THIS WAS TO ENSURE SOME LEVEL OF ENFORCEMENT SO THESE SYSTEMS WOULD WORK AS DESIGNED.
ROUTINE INSPECTIONS EVERY FIVE YEARS ARE REQUIRED TO NOT GET A SURCHARGE OF 50%.
CREDIT INSPECTIONS ARE REQUIRED EVERY THREE YEARS TO RECEIVE A CREDIT UP TO 25% OF THE BILL.
THE CITY MAY ALSO CONDUCT INSPECTIONS THAT ARE ON BEHEST IF THERE IS A NOTICEABLE PROBLEM, INSPECTIONS MUST BE DONE BY A FLORIDA LICENSED PROFESSIONAL.
THE REPORT CAN BE IN THE FORM OF A LETTER TO THE PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT.
SO THE PROGRAM STARTED UP IN MID 2021. HOWEVER WE HEARD FEEDBACK FROM STAFF FROM THE PUBLIC AND THE COUNCIL THAT THESE WERE GETTING KIND OF EXPENSIVE.
SO THE ON THE AND THE CITY SENT OUT A LETTER TO SUSPEND THE INSPECTION PROGRAM.
THE LAST REQUIRED INSPECTION WAS DONE IN DECEMBER.
STAFF THEN PREPARED MULTIPLE OPTIONS FOR THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER.
IN JANUARY 2022, COUNCIL PICKED AN OPTION WHICH HAD A STAFF TO GENERATE AN RFP FOR ENGINEERING FIRMS TO PROVIDE INSPECTIONS BASED ON A FLAT FEE. HOWEVER, IN SPRING 2023, BASED ON BACK AND FORTH ON THE PROGRAM, THE INSPECTION PROGRAM WAS SUSPENDED PENDING FURTHER DISCUSSION ON HOW BEST TO ADMINISTER THE ORDINANCE. SO I'D LIKE TO SKIP AHEAD TO THE FOLLOWING SLIDES.
SO HOW TO FIX THIS? I'LL FIRST GO OVER THESE OPTIONS AND THEN CIRCLE BACK TO THE ONE THAT WE'VE, WE'VE DRAFTED. SO FIRST WE COULD CONSIDER NO CHANGE TO THE ORDINANCE.
THIRD, THE CITY COULD PUT OUT AN RFP FOR AN ENGINEERING FIRM TO DO THE INSPECTIONS.
FOURTH, THE CITY COULD CEASE THE REQUIREMENT FOR INSPECTIONS TO BE REPORTED.
SO HOMEOWNERS WOULD JUST MAINTAIN THEIR SYSTEMS ON THEIR OWN.
FIFTH, STAFF CAN LOOK INTO WHETHER WE CAN REQUIRE INSPECTION REPORTS TO BE PROVIDED AT ANOTHER AT CERTAIN JUNCTURES SUCH AS A, PERHAPS A POINT OF SALE OF A PROPERTY. BUT WE HAVE TO LOOK FURTHER INTO THAT. SO GOING FORWARD, WHAT WE HAVE IN THE DRAFT ORDINANCE IS THAT ROUTINE AND CREDIT INSPECTION REPORTS WOULD STILL BE REQUIRED.
THIS WOULD BE THE BEST WAY FORWARD WHILE PRESERVING THE INTENT OF THE ORDINANCE.
IT WOULD REQUIRE THE LEAST AMOUNT OF OF ADMINISTRATION ON THE CITY'S BEHALF, ON THE CITY'S BEHALF, AND FIT INTO EXISTING WORKFLOWS. AND IN ADDITION STAFF CAN CONSIDER LOOKING AT MODIFYING THE SURCHARGE AND CREDIT PERCENTAGES
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FOR THE STORMWATER PROGRAMS LONG TERM FISCAL GOALS, IF THAT'S OF INTEREST.SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S A GREAT REVIEW OF WHERE WE ARE, WHERE I MEAN, WHERE WE'VE BEEN. QUITE FRANKLY, I'M NOT INTERESTED IN HAVING AN ORDINANCE THAT REMAINS ON THE BOOKS, AND WE DON'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT.
OKAY. MR. YOUNG, CAN YOU CAN YOU GO BACK A SLIDE? DANIEL? SO I THINK THERE'S ALSO HE MENTIONED IT, BUT I THINK THERE'S A POSSIBILITY HERE.
TO BE SOMEWHAT OF A HYBRID OF ONE ITEM HE MENTIONED AND THIS ONE.
AND SO LET ME JUST SAY THIS. FIRST OF ALL, THE REASON IT'S BEFORE YOU TODAY IS WE CAN'T TALK RESILIENCY, STORM WATER, PUTTING IN NEW RULES AND REGULATIONS AND NOT ENFORCING ANYTHING OR HAVE ANY MECHANISM TO DO THAT.
SO THAT WAS THE REASON IT FIT ON THIS AGENDA AT THIS TIME.
AS FAR AS THE MECHANICS OF IT, I THINK THERE'S A POSSIBILITY TO HAVE I DON'T LIKE THE PERMIT BY ITSELF, BECAUSE IF NOBODY MODIFIES CHANGES THEIR HOUSE, THERE'S NO CRITERIA FOR IT TO EVER BE INSPECTED.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF UPON SALE OR UPON CONVEYANCE, LIKE WE TIE TO SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS.
SO I THINK THE QUESTION IS, IS FIVE YEARS TOO SOON? IS TEN YEARS THE RIGHT WINDOW OR SOMETHING THAT TRIGGERS TO ME, I THINK THAT'S A FAIR BALANCE.
AND IF IT SOLD, THEN I HAD A NEW CERTIFICATE THAT IT WORKED AND THAT TRIGGER WOULD START OVER.
I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW TO WRITE THAT, BUT FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, GOD BLESS YOU.
FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I THINK THERE'S A WAY TO LOOK AT IT.
LET'S BE PRACTICAL A LITTLE BIT. I THINK HIRING A FULL TIME A FULL TIME PERSON TO GO OUT AND DO THESE INSPECTIONS OR I THINK A WASTE OF BOTH THE WORK EFFORT AND THE TANGIBLE RESULT.
I THINK WHEN WE'RE GIVING A 25% CREDIT ON THE STORMWATER RATES BASED ON THEIR SYSTEM WORKING, THEN THERE'S THERE'S THEY HAVE A SKIN IN THE GAME TO MAKE SURE IT WORKS WELL.
SO I THINK BY DOING THAT AND DOING A POND CONVEYANCE, IF IT'S IN A SALE, YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT END OF THE BALANCE SHEET IT ENDS UP ON, BUT YOU'RE PUTTING ENOUGH TRIGGERS IN PLACE THAT WOULD SAY THAT YOU'RE GOING TO GET THERE AT LEAST EVERY TEN YEARS.
I THINK THAT'S MORE THAN REASONABLE. THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY.
I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF. I THINK I'LL LEAVE IT TO ALL OF YOU TO TO DISCUSS THAT.
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU MY FEELINGS ON IT, FROM FROM LOOKING AT IT JUST KIND OF SAME PLACE YOU ARE LEARNING ABOUT IT, WATCHING IT OVER TIME AND SAYING, THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER APPROACH THAT GETS US SOMEWHERE IN ENFORCEMENT.
AND KNOWING WHETHER THE THINGS WE PUT IN PLACE ARE FUNCTIONING CORRECTLY, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO END UP WHERE WE ARE ON SOME INFRASTRUCTURE AND OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE, WHERE WE DON'T KNOW THINGS ARE BEING DONE. WE'RE NOT WE CAN'T LET THE HOMEOWNER BE ANY DIFFERENT THAN WE ARE.
AND WE RECOGNIZE WE'RE NOT DOING OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE, AND WE'RE TRYING TO ENHANCE THAT.
AND I DIDN'T MEAN A LITTLE BURDENSOME, BUT IT IS BURDENSOME.
BUT WE DO HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO MAKE SURE IT'S UTILIZED CORRECTLY.
SO THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. SO YES, I WANT TO JUST WANT TO ADDRESS THAT.
AND THEN, KRAMER I AGREE WITH YOU. MY ONLY CONCERN ABOUT DOING SOMETHING AT THE END WOULD BE HOW DO YOU, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU LOOK AT THE CRITERIA IF YOU'RE THE OLDEST HOUSE ON THE BLOCK AND ALL THE HOUSES AROUND YOU HAVE REDEVELOPED? AND OF COURSE, YOU'RE GOING TO START GETTING MORE WATER ON YOUR PROPERTY AT SOME POINT BECAUSE POSSIBLY HOW DO YOU DETERMINE WHETHER IT'S FROM SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY OR NOT? AND WHY SHOULD SOMEONE THAT'S TRYING TO SELL THEIR HOME AFTER 30, 40 YEARS TAKE ON THE BURDEN OF REDEVELOPMENT AND AT THE POINT OF SALE? AND WHAT WOULD THAT CRITERIA BE FOR INSPECTION? I THINK IT WOULD BE THE SAME INSPECTION THAT YOU PUT ON THE BOOKS ORIGINALLY, WHICH IS JUST CERTIFYING THAT THE PROPERTY AN ENGINEER HAS LOOKED AT IT.
IT IT IS IN GOOD FUNCTION, YOU KNOW, FUNCTIONING SHOOTING WITH THE STANDARDS THAT'S THERE.
IT WAS ALL OF THE REDEVELOPMENTS ARE COMING ONLINE NOW.
SO THEM CERTIFYING THAT IT'S STILL FUNCTIONING IN THE MANNER TO WHICH IT WAS DESIGNED.
YOU'RE SAYING THIS PROPERTY WAS REQUIRED. IT WAS A RECENT REDEVELOPMENT.
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THEREFORE IT WAS REQUIRED TO RETAIN ON ITS PROPERTY.IT'S REALLY NO DIFFERENT THAN WHEN YOU DID ANY OTHER LAW.
YOU GRANDFATHERED EVERYBODY WHO WAS IN IT. AND OVER TIME, YOU HOPE IT TAKES CARE OF ITSELF.
IN SOME CASES IT'LL BE 200 YEARS. IN SOME CASES IT'LL BE 20.
BUT THAT'S THE CASE. THANK YOU. KRAMER. YEAH.
MY QUESTION IS THE 25% CREDIT, IS THAT THE DEFAULT SETTING.
SO DO YOU ASSUME THAT THEY'RE DOING IT RIGHT UNTIL THEY DON'T? OR DO THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THE CERTIFICATE FIRST? I ONLY SAY THAT BECAUSE IN THE EVENT THAT I'M I'M NOT IN THE SITUATION, BUT WHERE I SELLING MY HOME. YEAH.
AND I'M PASSING THIS ON TO WHOEVER'S PURCHASING IT. YEAH.
CORRECT? OKAY, THAT'S WHAT THAT IS. YOU SHOULD.
YES, IT WOULD ASSUME THAT IT GOES AWAY UNLESS THE DOCUMENT IS PRODUCED.
PERFECT. THANK YOU. GOT IT. KRISTEN? YEAH, A COUPLE QUESTIONS.
FIRST, MR. YOUNG, SO YOUR HYBRID THOUGHT INCLUDED THREE ELEMENTS.
ONE EVERY ANY ADDITION OR ALTERATION THAT TRIGGERED A PERMIT REQUEST WOULD TRIGGER AN INSPECTION.
NUMBER TWO, IRRESPECTIVE OF THAT, EVERY TEN YEARS.
AND THIRD, PERHAPS, ALSO A REQUIREMENT TO DO IT AT POINT OF SALE.
THAT'S CORRECT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT. AND THEN MY QUESTION TO MR. MCCONNELL. I HAD RAISED THIS IDEA SOME TIME AGO IN A WORKSHOP DISCUSSION ABOUT USING THE POINT OF SALE SALE OF THE PROPERTY AS A TRIGGER. IS THAT SOMETHING? HAVE YOU DONE ANY RESEARCH, MR. MCCONNELL, TO AS TO WHETHER THAT IS PERMISSIBLE UNDER FLORIDA LAW? THE SHORT ANSWER IS IT IS, BUT IT'S IT'S HOW IT'S DRAFTED.
AND IF THERE'S OTHER TO MR. YOUNG'S POINT, ARE THERE OTHER FACTORS INVOLVED? WHAT I SAW A LOT OF WAS WHAT TRIGGERED IT WAS THE PERCENT OF INVESTMENT THAT YOU'RE MAKING ON THE PROPERTY.
SO IF YOU, YOU KNOW, DO 40, 40% OF THE FAIR MARKET PRICE OF THE PROPERTY, BE.
IT WAS MORE TRIGGERED BASED ON A PERCENTAGE OF REDEVELOPMENT YOU'RE DOING ON THE PROPERTY, AS OPPOSED TO JUST SWITCHING OWNERS. BUT THE SHORT ANSWER IS IT'S POSSIBLE.
CORRECT. SO RENOVATIONS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
BUT I SAW A LOT OF PERCENTAGE BASED. I SEE. SO SO IF YOU DO 30% OF THE FAIR MARKET VALUE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE FEMA REGULATIONS AS WELL. SO THERE WAS A SWEET SPOT THAT SOME JURISDICTIONS WOULD USE THAT WOULD TRIGGER YOU UPDATING YOUR STORMWATER.
MMHM. OKAY. SO YEAH, IT'S I GUESS I'M JUST THINKING ALOUD HERE, BUT I GUESS IF WE WENT DOWN THE ROAD OR PART OF THE ROAD THAT MR. YOUNG HAD DESCRIBED, THE THE, THE REQUIREMENT TO MAKE IT A CONDITION OF SALE IF YOU'RE ALREADY REQUIRING IT FOR FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY, OR IF THERE IS NEVER ANY REDEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY.
EVERY TEN YEARS, YOU COULD YOU COULD ARGUE THAT YOU'RE COVERING PERHAPS AT LEAST SOME OF THE.
CONDITIONS. THE IF A PROPERTY SOLD MORE FREQUENTLY SOLD IN LESS THAN TEN YEARS, AND THERE WAS NO REDEVELOPMENT OR ADDITIONS OR ALTERATIONS TO IT, THEN IT'S POSSIBLE YOU COULD IMAGINE A SCENARIO UNDER WHICH A PROPERTY WOULD CONTINUE TO GO UNINSPECTED FOR SOME SIGNIFICANT PERIOD OF TIME.
THE ONLY THING THAT WORRIED ME, AND I SAY IT IS POSSIBLE, IS WHAT I DON'T WANT TO UNINTENTIONALLY DO IS RUIN SOMEONE'S RIGHT TO SELL THEIR PROPERTY BECAUSE NO ONE WANTS TO BUY IT. BECAUSE NOW THEY'RE GOING TO TRIGGER $50,000 IN STORMWATER IMPROVEMENTS.
BECAUSE, I MEAN, IF YOU PUT THIS IN THE CODE, I WOULD ASSUME THAT THIS WOULD BE PART OF THE DISCLOSURE PACKAGE PRESENTED TO PROSPECTIVE PROPERTY OWNERS, AND I DON'T WANT TO GET IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT.
YEAH, I UNDERSTAND. I MEAN, IT CAME TO ME. OH, YOU'RE NEXT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT, MR. RINALDI. AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE ONLY TRIGGER WE HAVE AT THE MOMENT IS, IS THAT IF, SINCE WE'VE NOW DONE NOT, REINSTATING ANY TRIGGER, WOULD MERELY ALLOW THE CREDIT TO CONTINUE, IF WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE ANY
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TRIGGER OR THEY NEVER COMPLIED, THEY 25 CREDIT WOULD GO AWAY.I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING IN YOUR CURRENT CODE THAT SAYS YOU MUST GO MAKE IT WORK IF IT'S ALREADY IN THIS CODE, I WOULD. SOMEBODY ELSE COULD TELL ME THAT, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE IT SAYS IT.
NOW WHERE IT'S IMPOSING THE $50,000, YOU MUST NOW FIX IT.
I DON'T I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THIS CURRENT LANGUAGE IN THE CODE SETS UP ANY PUNITIVE EFFECT.
IN THE EVENT YOU CAN'T GET IT CERTIFIED THAT IT'S STILL FUNCTIONING CORRECTLY.
IT MERELY TAKES AWAY THE 25%, IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
SO I DON'T THINK YOU WOULD BE REACHING IN TO GIVE ANYBODY ANY MORE OBLIGATION THAN OTHERWISE.
THEY WOULDN'T BE ENTITLED TO THE CREDIT. AND IT.
AND WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING THE CERTIFICATION BE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN 1000 AND 1200.
THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO SAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL CLEAR.
I AM. CURRENTLY THERE'S THERE'S ON THE BOOKS, A AN INSPECTION REQUIREMENT FOR EVERY FIVE YEARS.
THAT'S ESSENTIALLY VOLUNTARY. I MEAN, IT'S NOT BEING ENFORCED.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S SORT OF A QUIET EXPECTATION THAT HOMEOWNERS AFFECTED BY THIS WOULD DO THAT.
IS THAT A IS THAT A FAIR STATEMENT? I THINK THE SLIDE THAT SHOWS, IT JUST SAYS THAT IT WAS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED NOT TO BE ENFORCED, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WAS AN ACTION BY COUNCIL.
WAS IT. NO, IT WASN'T A SPECIFIC ACTION. SO BUT BUT THERE IS A.
YEAH. WELL TO THAT CREDIT I'M LOOKING AT SECTION THREE THAT'S PROPOSED TO BE STRUCK THROUGH.
IT SAYS ROUTINE INSPECTIONS WILL BE WILL BE REQUIRED BY THE CITY.
I JUST WANTED TO ASK IF BY EITHER DIRECTION OR CONSENSUS, BUT YES SIR.
SO SO I MEAN MY STARTING POINT IS, YOU KNOW, I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR SAID A MOMENT AGO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THAT'S NOT HOW THINGS IN OUR CODE THAT WE'RE NOT IMPLEMENTING AND ENFORCING OR THAT WE DON'T BELIEVE IN.
THAT'S WHAT IT REALLY SAYS. SO THE QUESTION IS, WHAT, IF ANYTHING, DO WE WANT TO REPLACE IT WITH.
AND ONE OF THE OPTIONS WAS WELL, ONE OF THE OPTIONS WAS WAS NO CHANGE.
BUT THAT'S LEAVING SOMETHING IN THE CODE THAT'S NOT ACTUALLY BEING FOLLOWED BY US.
I THINK ANOTHER ANOTHER OPTION IS JUST TO DO DO AWAY WITH THE INSPECTION REQUIREMENT ALTOGETHER.
I'M NOT ADVOCATING THAT, BUT THAT'S AN OPTION.
AND BUT BUT WHAT YOU'RE RIGHT NOW, ANYBODY WHO HAS IMPLEMENTED THIS WHETHER IT'S WHETHER IT'S STILL FUNCTIONING OR NOT ON THEIR PROPERTY IS QUALIFYING FOR THE 25% CREDIT, IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. THAT'S CORRECT. THERE WAS NOTHING THAT WAS EVER SUBMITTED THAT SAID THAT YOU SHOULD TAKE THE 25% AWAY.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING WAS IT WAS, WELL, WE'RE JUST NOT GOING TO ENFORCE THE INSPECTION PART OF IT.
AND THEREFORE, IF YOU'RE NOT REQUIRING IT, NOBODY'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE.
THEY STILL INSTALLED A SYSTEM AND FOR. SO THEREFORE THAT THE CREDIT STILL CARRIED.
AND THAT IS THE WAY IT'S BEEN DONE TO DATE. YEAH.
YOU KNOW, THIS WAS AN IMPORTANT INITIATIVE BY BY BY COUNCIL IN THE CITY FROM, IN TERMS OF PROTECTING OUR ENVIRONMENT AND RESILIENCY.
IT'S SOMETHING WE'RE PROUD OF AND WE BRAG ABOUT.
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AND THAT BEGS THE REAL QUESTION IN MY MIND WHAT IS THE WHAT IS THE REASONABLE WAY FOR US TO DO THAT? THAT'S FAIR TO THE HOMEOWNER. OKAY. SO FIRST I WANT TO KNOW, IS ANYONE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE CREDIT? YES. WE STILL HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE.WHOEVER INSTALLED IT ARE STILL GETTING THE CREDIT.
UNLESS THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS THAT TRIGGERED THEM TO TO NOT BE.
SO THEREFORE, OF COURSE THEY WOULD. THEY WOULD STILL BE GETTING IT RIGHT.
BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE PROOF. NO. WELL, I MEAN, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CODE OR PRACTICE.
SO THE CODE SAYS THEY HAVE TO HAVE VERIFIABLE.
IT HAS TO BE CERTIFIED. THERE'S NO PRACTICE REQUIRING SUCH.
RIGHT. THAT'S I MEAN SO IT'S KIND OF A SENSELESS CREDIT ALSO.
AND THEN I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY IF YOU'RE A SPEC BUILDER, YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO PUT IN THIS SYSTEM OR DO YOU HAVE TO PUT IN THE SYSTEM? IF YOU'RE A SPEC BUILDER, BOB MIDDLETON PUBLIC WORKS, IF YOU COME IN FOR A HOUSE PERMIT NOW TO BUILD A NEW HOUSE, YOU HAVE TO BUILD A STORMWATER RETENTION SYSTEM ON SITE.
AND I KNOW SINCE I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN STORMWATER, I CAN COUNT PROBABLY THE NUMBER OF TIMES WE'VE RECEIVED CERTIFICATIONS, LETTERS FROM A BUSINESS THAT REQUESTED A THE 25% REDUCTION.
I DON'T RECALL ANY THAT WERE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES.
LIKE LIKE THE CITY MANAGER SAID, YOU KNOW, MISS DOUGLAS RECEIVES THOSE.
SO CORRECT. YOU KNOW, WE WE'RE SAYING LET'S, LET'S HAVE A MECHANISM SO THAT WE JUST NEED TO PRESERVE GREEN SPACE TO HAVE THE WATER STAY ON THEIR PROPERTY. IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE THAT WE'RE NOW IN A CRAZY SCENARIO OF TRYING TO DO INSPECTIONS AND HOPE FOR THE BEST EXPECTATIONS OF SOMEONE TO BUILD A SYSTEM.
JUST THERE WAS A THERE ARE SEVERAL WAYS THAT REQUIRE A STORMWATER IMPROVEMENT.
STORMWATER SYSTEM IMPROVEMENTS. IF SOMEBODY DOES REQUEST AN AD ALTERATION PERMIT, WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO ADD SO MANY SQUARE FEET OF IMPERVIOUS AREA, THEN THEY HAVE TO DO STORMWATER SYSTEM, ON SITE STORMWATER SYSTEM.
AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, WHEN I FIRST STARTED THINKING ABOUT THIS, I SAID, YOU KNOW, THE PROPERTY OWNER HAS GOT A RESPONSIBILITY TO MAINTAIN THEIR OWN SYSTEM. AND MY THOUGHT WAS THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO INSPECT IT.
THE ONLY THING THAT WAS LACKING WAS HOW OFTEN IS IT DONE? WELL, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE COMING TO SOME IDEAS ON WHAT CAN BE PUT IN THERE AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, CATCHES OR THINGS THAT OCCUR THAT REQUIRE AN INSPECTION.
SO I'LL JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT. YEAH. YOU DON'T LIKE THE METHOD THAT YOU'VE HAD TO DO ALL THESE YEARS WITH COMMERCIAL THAT IF IT DOESN'T STAY ON YOUR PROPERTY, YOU CALL BOB MIDDLETON AND HE AND HE TELLS YOU TO CLEAN OUT YOUR DRAIN.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE A COMPLIANCE ISSUE. BUT BUT WE ARE TRYING TO SOLVE A PROBLEM, SO I WANT TO LET MR. RINALDI SPEAK, IF THAT'S OKAY. AND THEN WE CAN FINISH OUR OUR DISCUSSION.
MR. RINALDI. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME TODAY. I LIVE IN ROYAL HARBOR, AND A NUMBER OF OUR NEIGHBORS ARE AGAINST ANY TYPE OF INSPECTION ON THESE SYSTEMS. BOTTOM LINE IS, WE THINK THAT IF A SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING, THAT YOU SHOULD BE RELYING ON CODE ENFORCEMENT TO GO OUT AND SEARCH AND FIND WHAT THE PROBLEM IS AND SEE IF THAT SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING.
THAT WOULD BE THE BEST COST BENEFIT FOR THE TAXPAYER TO BURDEN THE TAXPAYER WITH PROBABLY A $5,000 FEE TO GO FORWARD AND INSPECT THE SYSTEM STEM IS REALLY NOT WORTHWHILE.
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AND AS YOU SAID, THE CITY DOESN'T SEEM TO THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE TO HIRE A PERSON TO DO THESE INSPECTIONS.SO WHY WOULD YOU PASS THE BURDEN ONTO THE TAXPAYER? SO I HAVE SOME BROADER THOUGHTS TO ON THE WATER RETENTION.
ONE THING THAT I STRUGGLE WITH IS THAT WE HAVE ONE SIZE FITS ALL.
I LIVE IN ROYAL HARBOR. WE'RE IN A CANAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE'RE NOT SUFFERING FROM FLOODING FROM NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
THE TIDE GOES DOWN, THE WATER GOES AWAY. SO I KNOW THAT WHEN YOU'RE IN AN AREA WHERE YOU'RE LANDLOCKED, IT'S A LOT DIFFERENT. YOU NEED A SYSTEM FOR WATER RETENTION.
THAT SCARES THE SHIT OUT OF ME BECAUSE I GOT AN OLD HOUSE.
I HAVE A HURRICANE COME BY. IS THIS ORDINANCE GOING TO SCOOP ME UP AND SAY THAT I HAVE TO RIP OUT MOST OF MY LANDSCAPING TO PUT IN A SYSTEM? RIGHT. SO IT REALLY DOESN'T MAKE A LOT OF SENSE ON DOLLARS OR EFFECTIVENESS.
ONE THING ABOUT THE SYSTEMS THAT ARE BEING PUT IN IN CANAL NEIGHBORHOODS IS THE WATER'S COLLECTED.
IT GOES IN A PERFORATED PIPE. IT'S THAT PIPE IS BASICALLY A HIGHWAY.
WE COLLECTED THAT. THE FERTILIZER REMAINS, STUCK THEM IN THE PIPE.
THE TIDE GOES DOWN AND WE'RE POLLUTING OUR CANALS WITH WATER.
NOW, IF YOU'RE LANDLOCKED, IT'S DIFFERENT. BUT IF YOU'VE GOT WATERFRONT COMMUNITIES, WE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE PUTTING IN THESE SYSTEMS. WE SHOULD BE PIPING THE WATER FROM THE ROOF INTO THE CANAL.
THAT'S CLEANER. SO THAT'S MY THOUGHTS. AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD, LIKE I SAID, IS REALLY AGAINST IT.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. WELL, WITH THAT BEING SAID, I'D LOVE FOR US TO HAVE A DEEPER DISCUSSION ON HOW WE CAN RESOLVE THIS. I DON'T THINK THAT THE ORDINANCE THAT'S ON THE BOOKS SHOULD BE ON THE BOOKS.
BUT IT'S JUST MY OPINION. KRAMER. YEAH. TO KIND OF ECHO WHAT BOB SAID WHEN HE TALKED ABOUT PERVIOUS SQUARE FOOTAGE WHEN YOU'RE DOING AN ADD ON, BASICALLY THAT'S REDOING YOUR PAVERS, FOR EXAMPLE, OR PUTTING PAVERS IN WHEN YOU DIDN'T HAVE THEM. IS THAT A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THAT POOL DECK PAVERS, THAT SORT OF THING? I DON'T THINK IT RELATED TO PAVERS, BECAUSE I THINK IT WAS I DON'T REMEMBER ANY EXACT EXAMPLES OTHER THAN IMPERVIOUS SURFACES WERE INSTALLED, WHETHER IT'S A CONCRETE SLAB, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT I RELATED IT MORE TO POOL DECK WAS ADDING SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, LIKE A I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT WOULD BE EXTENDED EXTENSION OF THE FOUNDATION A FIRE PIT SLAB OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT EXCEEDED, I FORGET WHAT THE EXACT SQUARE FOOTAGE WAS, BUT THAT WOULD ALSO, YEAH, I HAD A NEIGHBOR THAT DID THIS, AND IT IS EXTENSIVE WORK.
SO WHETHER IT'S PASSED ON TO THE WHATEVER NEIGHBORHOOD OR NOT.
IF IT'S GOING TO BE A REQUIREMENT AND IT'S AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RESILIENCE, THEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RESILIENCE BECAUSE THAT'S THE LEVEL THAT IT REALLY MATTERS TO BEGIN WITH. I'M NOT SAYING THAT I KNOW THE SOLUTION, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE HAS TO BE MAINTAINING THE SYSTEMS FOR THIS THING TO WORK, WHATEVER THAT MEANS. AM I WRONG ON THAT, MR. MIDDLETON? NO. RIGHT. SO I THINK I THINK THE 25% AND I HEARD $5,000.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE A LITTLE BUMP RELATIVE TO WHAT THE INSPECTION COST.
CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THAT, MR. YOUNG? YEAH. I DON'T I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THAT THAT IS THE OR IS AND I THINK AT THIS POINT, WHAT I'D RATHER DO IS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO CITE A NUMBER IF I DON'T KNOW FOR A FACT.
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IT WOULD JUST. AND I DON'T MEAN IT AS A BURDEN, AS AN BURDENSOME.IT'S JUST THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ON OURSELVES.
IT WOULD BE A STORMWATER FUND EXPENSE. IT WOULD BE EMPLOYEE DESIGNATED THERE.
SO IF YOU WANT THAT COST ANALYSIS COMPARED TO WHAT THE COST WOULD BE, I'D BE HAPPY TO GO BACK TO STAFF AND GET YOU THAT ANALYSIS RATHER THAN DO IT UNDER A NON FACTUAL BASIS. I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA BECAUSE WE HAVE REAL NUMBERS TO WORK WITH.
THANK YOU. PETRANOFF. I HAVE A VERY DIFFERENT VIEW ON THIS.
I, I THINK THAT FIRST OF ALL ON THE ORDINANCE ITSELF IN 2021, THE GOAL WAS TO INCENTIVIZE DESIGNS TO MAXIMIZE PERVIOUS GREEN SPACE. I THINK THAT THAT IS THAT IS NOT THE CASE, REALLY.
FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND OF THIS, THIS WAS THE GRAND BARGAIN ON WHAT WE'RE SEEING, WHERE WE'VE GOT A 40% LOT COVERAGE, BUT THEN A LOT OF THINGS AREN'T COUNTED THAT MAKE THE WHOLE LOT IMPERVIOUS.
I'VE BEEN SEEING A LOT OF NEW HOUSES LATELY, AND WHAT I AM DOING PERSONALLY, AND THERE IS LITERALLY NO GREEN SPACE EXCEPT FOR LITTLE STRIP ON THE FRONT. SO THE GREEN SPACE AND, YOU KNOW, IS ALL ALL BUT GONE.
AND THE STORMWATER SYSTEMS WERE SUPPOSED TO BE THE SOLUTION TO HOLDING THE WATER TO SO THAT IT DIDN'T RUN OFF INTO THE ROADS AND POLLUTE. SO THAT WAS THAT IS ONE DIFFERENCE THAT YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND OF IT.
AND I WASN'T AROUND WHEN THIS THING WAS PASSED EITHER, BUT I DID WHEN I WAS CAMPAIGNING, GO OUT TO THE ROYAL HARBOR AREA WHERE I MET MARTIN HAYBROOK, AND HE SHOWED ME THE 5 OR 6 DIFFERENT QUOTES HE GOT FOR INSPECTING HIS STORMWATER SYSTEM.
AND I CALLED TERRY TO GO OUT AND TALK TO HIM AS WELL, SINCE HE WAS ON COUNCIL AT THE TIME, AND THEY WERE ALL OVER THE MAP. AND WHEN THE STORMWATER FOLKS CAME OVER, WHAT THEY WOULD DO IS THEY THEY DIDN'T EVEN GO INTO THE GRATES.
IT WAS THEY WEREN'T INSPECTING ANYTHING. AND THE RANGE WAS, YOU KNOW, THERE WERE MORE THAN $1,000 DIFFERENCES BETWEEN THE QUOTES ON GETTING THESE THINGS DONE. SO, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE GOING TO GO DOWN THE INSPECTION ROUTE, WE HAVE TO HAVE REAL CRITERIA ON REALLY WHAT THEY'RE INSPECTING, INCLUDING CAMERAS AND LOOKING INTO THAT. HOWEVER, I'M NOT REALLY FOR THIS THIS INSPECTION AS IT STANDS, I WOULD LIKE FOR IT TO BE. YOU KNOW, WE DO NOT INSPECT SEWER SYSTEMS, WE DON'T INSPECT ELECTRICAL, WE DON'T INSPECT. YOU KNOW, WE DO IT AT AT AT INCEPTION.
IF YOU SEE WATER ON THE ROAD, MAYBE THAT IS A CODE ENFORCEMENT YOU KNOW, THING TO ADDRESS.
BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS VERY ODD THAT WE'VE SINGLED THIS OUT TO DO TO DO INSPECTIONS.
I THINK THAT IN TERMS OF LOOKING AT CANAL COMMUNITIES OR COMMUNITIES REALLY THAT WITH HIGH WATER LEVELS VERSUS VERSUS YOU KNOW, ZONED LOWER. YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BECAUSE THE WATER DOES RAISE AND LOWER AND YOU'RE ALWAYS AT THE WATER TABLE AND IT'S AND IT'S ABSORBING THOSE NUTRIENTS. ANYWAY. SO THE BEST WAY TO GET THE WATER OFF THE ROAD IS TO PUT IT INTO THE CANAL, BECAUSE IT'S GOING INTO A PLACE THAT IT'S GOING INTO THE WATER TABLE.
WE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE EVEN BE SWELLING THAT AREA.
AND SO YOU KNOW, I, I AM FOR REALLY PUTTING THESE THINGS IN AND, AND HAVING, LIKE, ANY OTHER THING, HAVING THEM RUN.
AND IF THEY, IF CODE ENFORCEMENT SEES FLOODING IN THE COURSE OF IT OR IF A NEIGHBOR CALLS JUST LIKE THEY WOULD IF IT'S TOO LOUD ON AN AIR CONDITIONER OR IF THEY SMELL GAS THEY WOULD THAT SOMEBODY WOULD COME OUT AND DO IT.
SO IT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY DRIVING OUT THERE LOOKING AT THE TOP OF THE GRATE AND SAYING, IT'S A THOUSAND BUCKS. YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST SLOPPY ROLLOUT.
AND SO THAT'S I KNOW I'M IN THE MINORITY ON THIS, BUT THAT IS THAT IS WHERE I STAND ON THIS.
I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD BE GETTING INVOLVED WITH IT ON AN ONGOING BASIS.
I THINK IT IS VERY DIFFICULT AND WE SEE THAT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT.
I, I DON'T KNOW THE CRITERIA FOR THE WATER SYSTEM THAT WE'RE EVEN ASKING THEM TO PUT INSTALL.
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DOES EVERYBODY HAVE THE SAME WATER SYSTEM? BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THE SPEC HOMES INSTALLING THE SAME TYPE OF SYSTEMS. I THINK IT WOULD VARY. I THINK DEPENDING ON DIFFERENT HOMES AND WHAT THE WHAT THEIR IMPACT IS, HOW BIG THE DEVELOPMENT IS. IT'S GOING TO VARY INDIVIDUALLY.SO YEAH, BUT AREN'T YOU TRYING TO, AT THE END OF THE DAY, HOLD WATER FOR 25 YEAR STORM EVENT? AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY JUST UNDER THREE INCHES OF WATER.
IT'S GOING TO BE DESIGNED FOR FOR THIS RESIDENTIAL HOMES.
IT'LL BE DESIGNED FOR A FIVE YEAR, ONE HOUR EVENT.
AND THAT IS THE SAME ACROSS ALL HOMES. YEAH, RIGHT.
AND IT'S SEPARATE FROM COMMERCIAL. I MEAN, THESE TWO SHOULDN'T BE BLENDED TOGETHER ANYWAY.
ARE THEY? YES. USUALLY IF THERE'S A IF THERE'S A COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
BUT THEY WERE A DISTRICT PERMIT. THEY'LL DESIGN FOR A 25 YEAR, THREE DAY EVENT.
THIS WILL BE A BIGGER SYSTEM. OKAY. MR. YOUNG, YOU WERE GOING TO SAY I SAID MAYBE THEY SHOULDN'T BE THERE, BUT THEY WERE. SO I GUESS THE QUESTION THAT I HAVE, AND I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, IS I DON'T WANT TO IN TERMS OF ADMINISTERING IT.
I GUESS I JUST WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER WE WANT.
YOU WANT ME TO COME BACK WITH COSTS, WITH AN INSPECTION, HAVING SOMETHING IN HOUSE, NO TRIGGERS.
I'M TRYING TO GET THERE ALSO, AND AND I'M FINE WITH IT EITHER WAY.
I TRUST ME WHEN I SAY THAT. I JUST I WANT TO IF WE IF WE RESCIND ANY TYPE OF MEASURING STICK, THEN YOU BASICALLY SET IT UP FOR A $25, 25% CREDIT IN PERPETUITY WITH NO CROSS CHECK.
YEAH. IF YOU AND THAT'S WHY I SAID IF YOU WANT ME TO GATHER THAT INFORMATION FOR YOU TO KNOW THOSE THINGS, COME BACK WITH MORE INFORMATION, OR IF WE'RE READY TO SAY, IF WE'RE READY TO SAY NO, WE'RE NOT GOING TO INSPECT AND WE'RE JUST NOT DOING ANY, THEN THEN I WOULD SAY THAT'S FINE, BECAUSE WE CAN JUST WRITE THE SECTION, REPEAL IT AND MOVE ON FROM IT AND NOT HAVE THE DISCUSSION AGAIN BY SAYING REPEAL IT.
BUT I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S A VERY. WE TRIED TO DO SOMETHING THAT WAS PRODUCTIVE.
BUT THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER WAY TO. TO BE ACCOUNTABLE.
COUNCIL MEMBER. I WOULD LIKE TO BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD, I WONDER IF WE COULD GET CONSENSUS ON THAT.
WAIT, CAN CAN I LET BARTON AND ANYONE. SORRY.
YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, WE BEAT THIS DRUM ABOUT RESILIENCY AND STORMWATER, AND THEN WHEN IT BECOMES DIFFICULT, WE DECIDE THAT MAYBE WE SHOULDN'T DO IT. THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS, IS THAT, NUMBER ONE, IN MY OPINION, IT SHOULDN'T APPLY TO OLDER HOMES THAT DON'T HAVE THAT SYSTEM IN PLACE TO BEGIN WITH. THEY SHOULD BE GRANDFATHERED INTO NOT HAVING TO BE NOT HAVING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR A SYSTEM THAT'S NOT ALREADY THERE. THEY BOUGHT THAT HOME, AN OLDER HOME THAT DIDN'T HAVE IT. SO WHAT I'M NOW GOING TO TALK ABOUT IS IS HOMEOWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY. SO IF A PERSON'S GOING TO BUY A HOME AND HE SAYS, OH, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE COST OF INSPECTIONS OR HAVING TO REDO MY MY AWESOME STORMWATER SYSTEM THAT'S UNDER MY BRAND NEW HOME, A RELATIVELY NEW HOME, THEN BUY AN OLDER ONE AND THEN YOU KNOW WHAT YOU CAN DO.
YOU CAN REPLACE ALL THOSE METAL PIPES UNDERNEATH THAT OLDER HOME BECAUSE THEY ALL ROT OUT.
AND YOU HAVE TO YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT EXPENSE. WE ALL HAVE LITTLE, LITTLE TRIALS AND TRIBULATIONS WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH WHEN YOU'RE A HOMEOWNER, ALL RIGHT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO BUY A NICE NEW HOME IN OUR CODE REQUIRES YOU TO HAVE STORMWATER, IT'S GOING TO HAVE STORMWATER.
AND YOU NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT STORMWATER IS WORKING PROPERLY SO THAT OUR, OUR TOWN AND OUR COMMUNITY CAN, CAN PROPERLY HAVE A SYSTEM IN PLACE THAT HANDLES OUR STORMWATER, AND THAT COMES WITH THE OWNERSHIP AND THE PURCHASE OF THAT, OF THAT OF THAT PARTICULAR ASSET.
IF YOU DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH THAT, THEN BUY ONE 1966 HOME.
AND I GOT THE JOY AND PLEASURE OF REPLACING ALL THE PIPES UNDERNEATH IT THIS, THIS PAST SUMMER.
SO IT WASN'T $75,000, BUT IT WAS 30. SO THAT WAS ALL THAT WAS THAT WAS A JOY.
NOW, HOW DO WE IMPLEMENT THAT? THAT AND I UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE PROBLEM.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE CRUX OF OUR DISCUSSION HERE TODAY.
DO I THINK THAT THAT WOULD WORK? PROBABLY. BUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO IS WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DO HAVE THESE STORMWATER SYSTEMS THAT OUR CODE REQUIRES ON THESE NEWER HOMES TO BE WORKING PROPERLY SO THAT OUR COMMUNITY DRAINS PROPERLY.
MAY I ASK A CLARIFICATION QUESTION ON YOUR I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE ONE, BUT ON YOUR 1960 HOME,
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IF THE PURPOSE OF THESE SYSTEMS ARE TO YOU KNOW, FOR BETTER WATER QUALITY.GIVEN THAT, YOU KNOW, SORT OF THE PERVIOUS SPACE IS KIND OF DISAPPEARING ON A LOT OF THESE NEW BUILDS, IF YOU TAKE YOUR 1960S HOME, THAT PROBABLY HAS A GOOD, HEALTHY CHUNK OF YARD AND YOU DECIDE TO DO A BIG ADDITION ONTO IT, DOES THAT TRIGGER IN YOUR MIND A THEN A STORMWATER SYSTEM BECAUSE YOU'VE TAKEN AWAY PERVIOUS.
I WOULD SAY PROBABLY WHAT WE SHOULD DO IN THAT TYPE OF SCENARIO IS CONSIDER THE PERCENTAGE, THE PERCENTAGE OF OF INCREASE IN IN COVERING SPACE OR SQUARE FOOTAGE UNDER AIR OR SOMETHING.
IF IF IF IT'S OVER XYZ AMOUNT, THEN YES, YOU NEED TO WORRY ABOUT PUTTING A NEW SYSTEM IN.
AND THEN IF WE HAVE A A, A HOME, A BRAND NEW HOME OR AN OLD HOME AND A SEWER PIPE BREAKS HOW IS THAT DIFFERENT? OR SHOULD WE OR ARE WE CARRYING THIS TOO FAR THAT NOW WE ARE GOING TO REQUIRE INSPECTIONS OF OUR SEWER SYSTEM IN HOMES? IN THE EVENT THAT THEY BREAK AND CAUSE A POLLUTING EVENT.
YEAH. SO I WAS ABLE TO DO THAT VISUAL INSPECTION ALL BY MYSELF.
AND I SAID OH, I GUESS I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GET SOMEBODY OVER HERE TO HELP ME FIX MY, MY, MY SYSTEM. YOU KNOW, THAT THAT WAS BUT AGAIN, IT WAS MY RESPONSIBILITY TO GET IT DONE BECAUSE IT WASN'T WORKING PROPERLY.
NOW I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT MAYBE IT'S NOT WORKING PROPERLY, BUT IT'S STILL SORT OF WORKING OR YOU DON'T NOTICE IT, OR IT'S LIKE THE CASE OF GOLDEN GATE THAT HAD THE SEPTIC SYSTEM AND WAS JUST DUMPING OUT SEWAGE.
AND, YOU KNOW, IT ENDED UP BEING A CODE ENFORCEMENT ISSUE VERSUS SOMEBODY PROACTIVELY REQUIRING AN INSPECTION TO GO OUT THERE AND SAY YOUR SEPTIC SYSTEM IS NOT WORKING WELL. AND I WOULD SAY THAT THAT IT'S THE HOMEOWNER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE SURE THEIR SYSTEMS ARE WORKING.
YOU AS A HOMEOWNER NEED TO MAKE SURE IT'S WORKING PROPERLY.
IS THERE IS IT POSSIBLE IT'S NOT WORKING PROPERLY? YOU DON'T REALIZE IT. SURE. MAYBE AT CONVEYANCE, EVEN ON THE OLDER HOMES, CERTAIN SYSTEMS NEED TO BE INSPECTED.
YOU KNOW, XYZ INSPECTION COMPANY COMES OUT TO MAKE SURE THE HVAC IS WORKING.
RIGHT. THE THE PLUMBING IS WORKING RIGHT. THE ELECTRICAL IS UP TO DATE AND THE ROOF ISN'T LEAKING.
I MEAN, THERE ARE SYSTEMS AND EVEN ON THE OLDER ONES THAT ARE INSPECTED AT THE TIME OF CONVEYANCE, NOW IT'S NOT THE CITY SAYING YOU HAVE TO DO THAT, BUT IT'S THE BUYER BEWARE.
HEY, IF I'M BUYING THIS, THIS, THIS ASSET, I NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THINGS ARE WORKING PROPERLY.
YOU KNOW, SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. BUT NONETHELESS, AS A HOMEOWNER, I NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THAT MY MY SYSTEMS ARE WORKING, WHETHER MY HOME'S NEW OR OLD. OLDER, I SHOULD SAY.
AND THAT'S THAT'S WHERE I'M HAVING TROUBLE WITH.
WHY IS THIS DIFFERENT THAN THAT? WELL, I DON'T THINK IT IS.
AND THAT'S MY POINT. I THINK IF YOU BUY A NEW HOME THAT HAS A THAT HAS A STORMWATER SYSTEM IN THERE, THAT YOU AS THE HOMEOWNER NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S WORKING PROPERLY. OKAY.
I HATE TO PUT A PAUSE TO THIS, BUT I DO THINK THAT IT IS MR. YOUNG HAS GIVEN US OPTION TO COME BACK WITH ANALYZING IT FROM TWO POINTS OF VIEW.
MR. YOUNG BUT HOW DOES THE ERP REQUIREMENTS RELATE TO THIS PARTICULAR CODE? SO IN THE NEW ORDINANCE, THERE'S A WE DON'T ALLOW THE CREDIT THAT THE ERP PERMIT WOULD ALLOW.
SO IF YOU HAVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF DRY RETENTION OR OR DETENTION FOR YOUR, FOR WATER QUALITY, YOU GET A CREDIT IN YOUR ERP APPLICATION. SO WE DON'T ALLOW THAT CREDIT WHEN WE'RE DOING THE TOTALS FOR THAT CALCULATION.
SO WE'RE MORE STRINGENT THAN, THAN THE DISTRICT.
IS THAT FOR COMMERCIAL AND MULTIFAMILY? YES. BUT NOT RESIDENTIAL.
IT'D BE RARE FOR RESIDENTIAL RESIDENTS TO HAVE TO GET AN ERP PERMIT.
RIGHT? YEAH. OKAY. SO, MR. YOUNG, BACK TO WHAT YOU YOUR RECOMMENDATION. WELL, I MEAN, I THINK I GUESS IF I HAVE CONSENSUS THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE THOSE FACTUAL NUMBERS IN FRONT OF YOU, GIVE YOU THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE RECEIVING THE CREDIT, THOSE COST, YOU KNOW, ANALYSIS PART THAT YOU WOULD INDICATED.
BUT I WOULD ALSO SAY IF OUR IF OUR NEW STAFF HAS ANY RECOMMENDATIONS BEING THAT COULD BE RECOMMENDED, I WOULD WELCOME THAT TO COME BACK. OKAY. VICE MAYOR.
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AND THEN WE NEED TO TAKE A BREAK. WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM.IF WE'RE MEASURING THIS. JUST A COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS.
DO WE HAVE A STORMWATER FLOODING PROBLEM IN OUR COMMUNITY? YES. DO STORMWATER SYSTEMS, IF THEY OPERATE AS DESIGNED, HELP SOLVE STORMWATER FLOODING? YES. SO IF WE'RE GOING TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT DATA AND WE KNOW THAT WE'RE CONSTRUCTING A CERTAIN RATABLE CADENCE OF CONSTRUCTING NEW HOMES. AND IF WE ELIMINATE REQUIRING THIS SYSTEM, WE NEED TO KNOW HOW MUCH MORE STORMWATER WE'RE THROWING OUT INTO OUR STREETS, RIGHT.
OR OTHER OPTIONS OR OTHER OPTIONS OF RETENTION.
IT WAS THE INSPECTION ASPECT OF IT, COST BENEFIT ANALYSIS AND AND OR CONTINUING TO HAVE THE 25% CREDIT IN LIEU OF OTHER THINGS AND HOW THAT MIGHT SHAKE OUT. AND IF WE'RE YEAH, I'M SORRY, IF WE'RE LOOKING AT RESILIENCY, THEN MAYBE THERE'S ANOTHER OPTION IN HOW WE ADDRESS IT.
AND WHAT IS THE BENEFIT RIGHT. OKAY. SO THANK YOU CRAMER.
ONE LAST THING. JUST TO MAYBE GIVE SOME PEACE FOR MY COHORT HERE.
OR IF WE HAD A CITYWIDE ELECTRICAL GRID PROBLEM, WE WOULD DO THE SAME.
IT NECESSITATES SOME DISCOMFORT. FOR SOME FOLKS.
THAT'S THE REALITY OF IT. YEAH. WELL, AND MY CONCERN IS ALSO WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE INSPECTION TO KNOW THAT THAT THAT IS RETAINING THE PROPERTY, THE WATER FROM YOUR PROPERTY AND NOT FROM SOMEONE ELSE'S PROPERTY.
PART OF THAT IS THERE'S THERE'S A LICENSING THERE'S A LICENSURE REQUIRED FOR THOSE WHO INSPECT, AM I CORRECT? THERE'S CERTAIN PEOPLE THAT ARE CERTIFIED TO DO THIS THING. YEAH.
SO THEY WOULD HAVE MET MINIMUM JOB REQUIREMENTS.
BUT NONETHELESS, AGAIN, THIS IS A PRIORITY FOR US.
IF YOU DON'T GET WHAT YOU EXPECT, YOU GET WHAT YOU INSPECT AND THAT NEEDS TO GET DONE.
I THINK WE NEED TO COME UP AND DECIDE WHAT WE ARE GOING TO INSPECT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE EXAMPLE I SAW WAS FIVE EXAMPLES FROM REPUTABLE COMPANIES WHO CAME OVER AND THEY HAD NO IDEA WHAT TO INSPECT.
SO THEY DID NOT EVEN LIFT UP A GRILL, WHICH TELLS ME THERE'S THE INSPECTION, DID ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, EXCEPT MAYBE STAFF CAN GET MORE SPECIFIC ON WHAT INSPECTIONS ARE REQUIRED THEN. YEAH, I THINK WE'RE NOT GOING TO I DON'T KNOW I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL. NO, BUT IT WAS EXPECTED. BUT YOU GUYS DO. IT WOULD BE NICE TO CREATE THAT CRITERIA AREA FOR FOR A COMPANY.
SO I'LL CALL GREG, STRIKE AND STRIKE LOOSE AND ASK HIM WHAT HE INTENDED, AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
JUST TEASING YOU. I'M GLAD YOU HAVE A SENSE OF HUMOR, STAFF.
I'M SORRY, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING THIS BACK AND COMING BACK TO US WITH IT.
ABSOLUTELY. MAYOR I WAS RELUCTANT TO TELL THIS STORY, BUT WE'D HAD QUITE A BIT OF RAIN AND I WAS NOT ON COUNSEL AT THE TIME, BUT I HAD A BUDDY ON CREIGHTON ROAD THAT I GOT.
I WAS NOT ON COUNCIL WAS THERE ON THE STREET BACKING TO THIS PARTICULAR HOUSE.
SOMEONE IS BUILDING A NEW HOME, AND HE HAPPENED TO WANDER, WANDER OVER.
HE SAID, SOMEBODY SAID, MY FRIEND SAID, OH, YOU'RE BUILDING A NEW HOME.
AND HE SAID, YEAH. AND THEY'RE MAKING THEY'RE PUTTING IN THIS CRAZY SYSTEM.
NOW, UNFORTUNATELY, I HAD THAT THAT EXPERIENCE.
OKAY. YES, MADAM MAYOR AND CITY MANAGER YOUNG.
I THANK OUR CITY MANAGER LAID OUT MOVE FORWARD.
AND I THINK THAT THIS ORDINANCE DESERVES REVISIT.
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YOUR STAFF IS UP TO YOU. THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE WILL WE WILL LOOK AT FROM AN ENGINEERING, TECHNICAL, SCIENTIFIC STANDPOINT. WILL DO ROBUST COST BENEFIT OR BENEFIT COST ANALYSIS, AND WILL ALSO BE ABLE TO TELL YOU HOW MARGINAL OR SIGNIFICANT OR IN BETWEEN IMPACT THIS ORDINANCE WITH BURDEN GIVEN TO OUR RESIDENTS WORTH IT OR NOT. SO IF YOU GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, LIKE BEFORE CHRISTMAS, WE'LL BE BACK.THANK YOU. THAT'S THE DIRECTION WE WERE GOING TO GO.
ALL RIGHT. THAT CONCLUDES ITEM. I'M SORRY FIVE B.
AND WE NEED TO TAKE AT LEAST A FIVE MINUTE BREAK.
SO I'M GOING TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF COMMUNICATING WITH THE CITY MANAGER.
WITH THAT WE HAVE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK. OKAY. HE'LL COME.
OKAY. WE'RE BACK FROM OUR BREAK AND CONTINUING ON WITH OUR FINAL ITEM.
ITEM FIVE F. YES, MISS MARTIN. GOOD AFTERNOON.
[5.F. Discussion of Lighting Regulations Citywide. (Erica Martin, Director of Planning)]
COUNCIL ERIC MARTIN, PLANNING DIRECTOR. THIS IS MORE OF AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM FOR YOU.I WAS ASKED TO PROVIDE INFORMATION FOR A DISCUSSION ON LIGHTING REGULATIONS.
MEMORANDUM. BUT LIGHTING REGULATIONS IN YOUR CITY CODE ARE KIND OF BROKEN INTO TWO DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, ONE BEING GENERAL LIGHTING REGULATIONS AS THEY APPLY TO DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN ALSO MARINE TURTLE PROTECTION REGULATIONS.
THEY'RE FOUND IN THREE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS IN YOUR CODE. THE FIRST IS SECTION 5689.
THAT'S THE EXTERIOR LIGHTING. THIS IS APPLICABLE ONLY TO MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURES.
THIS IS THE RESIDENTIAL IMPACT CRITERIA. THIS IS IN CHAPTER 46 OF YOUR CODE.
IT IS A RESIDENTIAL IMPACT STATEMENT WAS WHAT IT USED TO BE CALLED.
NOW ITS CRITERIA IS APPLICABLE ONLY WHEN YOU SUBMIT A PETITION.
SO A NONCONFORMITY PETITION, A VARIANCE PETITION, OUTDOOR DINING, ANYTHING THAT IS AN INTENSIFICATION OR ESTABLISHMENT OF A COMMERCIAL USE WITHIN A WITHIN PROXIMITY OF A RESIDENTIAL USE.
THERE'S ONE OF THE ONE OF THE CRITERIA IS APPLIES TO ILLUMINATION.
SO WHEN WE REVIEW THE LIGHTING PLANS WITH THESE PETITIONS, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR. THAT FOOT CANDLE, THEY'LL GIVE A PHOTOMETRIC PLAN THAT SHOW THE FOOT CANDLES THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR ON THOSE.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S ONLY REVIEWED AT THE TIME ONE OF THESE PETITIONS IS SUBMITTED.
THEN YOU HAVE SECTION 22 DASH 38 JUST AS LIGHTING.
SO THIS PROVIDES THAT EXTERIOR LIGHTS INSTALLED ON PRIVATE PROPERTY MUST BE DESIGNED, ARRANGED OR SHIELDED IN SUCH A MANNER THAT ALL ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND THE PUBLIC ROADWAYS ARE PROTECTED FROM DIRECT OR REFLECTIVE GLARE, OR HAZARDOUS INTERFERENCE TO PEDESTRIANS OR MOTORISTS.
THE FIXTURE SHALL PROVIDE A FULL CUT OFF AT THE PROPERTY LINE, AS CLASSIFIED BY THE ILLUMINATING ENGINEERING SOCIETY OF NORTH AMERICA, SO THAT'S MAKING SURE THAT WHEN YOU INSTALL LIGHTS ON YOUR PROPERTY, THAT LIGHT ISN'T SPILLING OVER ONTO YOUR NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, THAT YOU ARE ONLY ILLUMINATING YOUR OWN PRIVATE PROPERTY. SO THOSE ARE THE ONLY THREE REGULATION, THREE SECTIONS OF THE CODE THAT REGULATE LIGHTING IN GENERAL FOR MULTIFAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY ANYTHING NEW DEVELOPMENT AND EXISTING.
SO AGAIN, THAT'S THE TRICKY PART. SO A SINGLE FAMILY HOME.
AND THAT'S IN ONE 60 1.163 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES.
SO THAT'S THE STATUTE THAT IS PROVIDED. THAT'S THE STATE STATUTE.
WE THEN REVIEW THE NATURAL RESOURCES DIVISION.
SO SARAH IS THE ONE WHO REVIEWS THESE PLANS, BUT LIGHTING FOR THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, REDEVELOPMENT AND IMPROVEMENTS TO EXISTING DEVELOPMENT IS REVIEWED BY SARA AND THE NATURAL RESOURCES DIVISION DURING THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS,
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AND THAT'S FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE LOCAL REGULATIONS IN OUR IN OUR CHAPTER 52.AND THEN ALSO THEY'RE BASED ON THE LIGHTING GUIDELINES ESTABLISHED BY FLORIDA FISH AND WILDLIFE IN THE STATE REGULATIONS IN ADDITION TO THE NECESSARY BUILDING PERMITS, A CITY COASTAL CONSTRUCTION SETBACK LINE PERMIT MAY BE REQUIRED.
AND THEN ADDITIONALLY DEVELOPMENT WEST OF THE KXL REQUIRES A PERMIT FROM DEP.
AND THAT REVIEW ALSO INCLUDES A REVIEW OF LIGHTING FOR MULTIFAMILY STRUCTURES.
SO THIS IS THE SECTION OF OUR CODE THAT REFERENCES LIGHTING.
MARINE TURTLE PROTECTION REGULATIONS 5261. THE PURPOSE IS TO PROTECT THE THREATENED AND ENDANGERED MARINE TURTLES THAT NEST ALONG OUR BEACHES BY SAFEGUARDING MARINE TURTLE HATCHLINGS FROM SOURCES OF ARTIFICIAL LIGHT AND ADULT AND HATCHLING MARINE TURTLES FROM INJURY OR HARASSMENT.
SUBSECTION C PROVIDES REGULATIONS FOR EXISTING DEVELOPMENT.
AND THEN SUBSECTION D PROVIDES REGULATIONS FOR PUBLICLY OWNED LIGHTING.
BECAUSE WE DO HAVE LIGHTING IN OUR RIGHTS OF WAY ALONG THE BEACH AS WELL.
THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF TURTLE PROTECTION COMPLIANT LIGHTING.
SO YOU'LL SEE AMBER LIGHTS FULL CUT OFF ON SOME OF THE FIXTURES.
THIS SHOWS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF A CUT OFF AS WELL.
THIS IS A FIRE PIT THAT HAS THE WALLS GO UP ABOVE THE LIGHT SOURCE.
SO THAT'S PROTECTIVE AS WELL. AND THEN HATCHLING DISORIENTATION.
AND BELOW IS A SUMMARY OF THE TREND. SO YOU CAN SEE IN 2020 THERE WERE 13 DISORIENTATIONS.
THAT WAS 34% OF THE 38 COUNTYWIDE. IN 2021 THERE WERE TWO.
IN 2023, THERE WERE 92 DISORIENTATIONS WITHIN THE CITY, WHICH REPRESENTS 43% OF THE 212 COUNTYWIDE.
2024 KEEP THE STATE IN MIND BECAUSE I'LL ADDRESS THIS IN THE NEXT SLIDE.
THERE WERE 21 DISORIENTATIONS, WHICH IS 33% OF THE 63 COUNTYWIDE.
THERE WERE SOME EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES THAT LOWERED THAT NUMBER ACROSS THE COUNTY STORMS. AND THEN IN 2025, AS OF SEPTEMBER 8TH OF THIS YEAR, 106 SEA TURTLE NESTS HAVE BEEN DISORIENTED, WITH HATCHLINGS FROM THOSE NESTS HAVE BEEN DISORIENTED WITHIN THE CITY.
THAT'S 56% OF THE 189 DISORIENTATIONS COUNTYWIDE.
SO IN 2023, A LOT OF THE DUNE AND COASTAL VEGETATION THAT HAD PREVIOUSLY SHIELDED HAD BEEN REMOVED IN STORMS. SO THINK ABOUT YOU HAD SEA GRAVES, YOU HAD ALL THIS VEGETATION ALONG THE BEACH UPLAND OF THE DUNES AND THAT, YOU KNOW, REALLY SERVED AS A BARRIER FROM THE HATCHLINGS ON THE BEACH, FROM LIGHTING UPLAND.
A LOT OF THAT WAS REMOVED IN THE STORMS. SO THAT'S GONE IN 2024.
THE STORMS THEMSELVES IMPACTED THE NESTS. SO THE IMPACTS FROM THE MULTIPLE STORMS THROUGHOUT THE NESTING SEASON, INCLUDING DEBBIE HELENE AND MILTON, RESULTED IN A HIGH NUMBER OF NESTS BEING WASHED AWAY.
SO THERE JUST WEREN'T AS MANY HATCHLINGS TOTAL TO BE DISORIENTED.
SO THAT WAS KIND OF SHOWED A SKEWED NUMBER IN THAT YEAR.
BUT THEN IN 2025, THE HATCHLING DISORIENTATIONS WE'VE SEEN SO FAR.
SO THIS HAS BEEN A RECORD YEAR IN A VERY NEGATIVE WAY.
AND THAT'S DUE TO ARTIFICIAL ARTIFICIAL LIGHT.
THE FIRST, LIKE I SAID, IS THE LACK OF VEGETATION ALONG THE COASTLINE. SO A LOT, YOU KNOW, IN THE STORMS THAT WE'VE HAD, A LOT OF THAT VEGETATION IS GONE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU YOU KNOW, WE ALL DROVE DOWN GULF SHORE AFTER WELL, AFTER IRMA FIRST AND THEN AFTER IAN, YOU KNOW, IS VERY LITTLE VEGETATION AND THEN DEMOLITION OF BEACHFRONT STRUCTURES.
SO IF YOU THINK ABOUT A LOT OF THE STRUCTURES THAT WERE ON THE BEACH HAVE BEEN DEMOLISHED, AND WHAT THAT DOES IS IT EXPOSES LIGHTING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET.
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SO WE USED TO JUST HAVE, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE IN-GROUND KIDNEY SHAPED POOL.SO WE'RE SEEING JUST AN INCREASE IN GENERAL IN THE AMOUNT OF LIGHTING ALONG THE BEACH FRONT.
AND THEN ALSO THE STRUCTURES THAT ARE REPLACING THE OLDER STRUCTURES HAVE MUCH MORE GLAZING.
SO LARGER EXPANSES OF GLASS, WHICH THEN REVEALS INTERIOR LIGHTING.
SO A LOT OF CONTRIBUTING FACTORS TO WHY WE'RE SEEING MORE DISORIENTATIONS.
SO THESE ARE EXAMPLES OF NON-COMPLIANT LIGHTING.
YOU CAN SEE THE LIGHTING VISIBLE FROM LARGER DISTANCES AWAY.
THIS PICTURE IS A LITTLE MISLEADING. THAT IS JUST THE TAIL LIGHT OF THE THE 4X4.
THAT'S NOT AMBER LIGHTING. AND THEN THIS IS AN EXAMPLE.
SO IT DOESN'T PROVIDE THAT THE BLOCKING THAT IT USED TO.
SO LIGHTING MEASURES THAT CAN HELP PREVENT DISORIENTATION SHIELD THE USE OF SHIELDED DOWNWARD DIRECTED LIGHTING FIXTURES, LIKE WE SAID TO PREVENT THAT. IT'S THE CUTOFF THAT WE TALKED ABOUT ENSURING THAT ALL BULBS ARE LONG WAVELENGTH WHICH THE AMBER READ CLOSING CURTAINS OR SHADES BY SUNSET TO PREVENT INDOOR LIGHTING FROM SPILLING ONTO THE BEACH.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE STAYED IN ANY OF THE HOTELS IN SANIBEL, BUT THE FIRST THING YOU SEE WHEN YOU WALK INTO ANY SORT OF HOTEL ROOM IN SANIBEL IS A REGULATION THAT SAYS CURTAINS BE CLOSED AT DARK, AND THEY COME AROUND AND THEY CHECK AND MAKE SURE YOUR CURTAINS ARE CLOSED.
SO THAT'S PART OF THAT AS WELL. REMOVING ALL UPLIGHTING DECORATIVE AND LANDSCAPE LIGHTING.
SO THE, THE TREND TO UPDATE EVERY PALM TREE ON YOUR PROPERTY.
THAT'S THAT'S NON-COMPLIANT LIGHTING AS WELL.
NOT USING FLASHLIGHTS, INCLUDING CELL PHONE FLASHLIGHTS ON THE BEACH AT NIGHT. AND THEN ALSO WHEN INSTALLING NEW LIGHTING, REMEMBER THAT A PERMIT IS REQUIRED. SO ONE OF THE ISSUES WE HAVE IS LIKE I SAID, NATURAL RESOURCES REVIEWS THE LIGHTING PLANS FOR NEW DEVELOPMENT.
YOU'RE JUST REPLACING AN EXISTING WIRED LIGHT FIXTURE THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE A PERMIT FROM THE CITY.
SO IT'S JUST ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, REMINDING RESIDENTS TO ALWAYS BE MINDFUL THAT EVEN THOUGH A PERMIT ISN'T REQUIRED, COMPLIANCE WITH THE REGULATIONS IS ALWAYS REQUIRED.
AND THEN THE NATURAL RESOURCES DIVISION DOES A LOT OF PUBLIC OUTREACH.
THIS IS SOME EXAMPLES OF THE OUTREACH RIGHT BEFORE TURTLE SEASON BEGINS, THEY SEND OUT A MAILER THAT A COPY OF THAT MAILER WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR IN YOUR BACKUP MATERIAL. THEY SEND OUT A MAILER TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS ON THE BEACH.
TURTLE SEASON IS COMING. THESE ARE THE REGULATIONS. THESE ARE THE THINGS YOU CAN DO TO HELP.
WE WE ENFORCE THEM. THEY'RE THERE. STATE REGULATIONS.
WE ENFORCE THEM TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. BUT BE MINDFUL OF THE REGULATIONS AND AND HELP US.
SO THAT'S JUST AN INFORMATIONAL PRESENTATION FOR YOU.
I SAW RECOMMENDATIONS FOR THE TURTLE LIGHTING.
THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO BRING BACK TO COUNCIL AND YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS? I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE PROPOSING ANY SPECIFIC CHANGES TO THE TURTLE REGULATIONS.
IT'S MORE THE PROBLEM IS IT'S A STATE. IT'S STATE MANDATED.
SO THE REGULATIONS ARE STATE REGULATIONS FOR COMPLIANCE.
WE ENFORCE THEM. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE PROPOSING CHANGING OUR CODE WITH RESPECT TO TURTLE LIGHTING, BUT WHAT I WAS ASKING IS I WASN'T SURE IF THE REQUEST FOR THIS PRESENTATION WAS RELATED TO THE GENERAL LIGHTING REGULATIONS.
AND IF IT WAS, WAS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFIC THAT COUNCIL WANTED TO ADDRESS? NON TURTLE RELATED. RIGHT. WELL NON TURTLE RELATED.
WE HAVE A NEW TREND OF BLUE PINK, PURPLE COLORED LIGHTING, COLORED LIGHTING.
IN THE BACKYARD, THE FRONT YARD, YOU KNOW, CHANGING COLORS.
IT'S BEEN A REQUEST FROM NUMEROUS PEOPLE FOR US TO LOOK AT THAT.
WE HAVEN'T LOOKED AT OUR LIGHTING CODE SINCE 2006, AND I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO DO.
JUST WITH THE CHANGES IN TECHNOLOGY AND MAYOR, IF I COULD JUST CLARIFY ONE THING ON THE SEA TURTLE, PLEASE. I'M ACTUALLY WORKING WITH MISS NORRIS ON A EVERY, EVERY COUPLE OF YEARS, THE STATE AND OTHER TURTLE ADVOCACY GROUPS PROPOSED MODEL
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ORDINANCES FOR SEA TURTLE LIGHTING. WE CAME ACROSS A COUPLE ISSUES WITH SOME PROPERTY OWNERS TRYING TO PUSH BACK ON THE STATE REQUIREMENTS.SO I DO WANT TO CLARIFY, WE ARE WORKING ON AN ORDINANCE THAT WE WILL BE BRINGING BACK FORWARD TO YOU UPDATING OUR OUR RESTRICTIONS ON SEA TURTLE, BECAUSE WHILE THE STATE DOES HAVE GOOD RESTRICTIONS, WE ARE ALLOWED TO BE MORE STRINGENT.
AND THE REALITY IS, IS SEA TURTLES ARE IMPORTANT.
AND TO GO OFF OF WHAT MATTHEW SAID, THE MODEL ORDINANCE IS REALLY GREAT TOO, BECAUSE IT SPELLS OUT A LITTLE BIT MORE CLEARLY WHAT WE'RE ALREADY DOING. SO WHEN PEOPLE READ OUR ORDINANCE NOW AND THEN, THEY HEAR OUR FEEDBACK, THEY'RE CAN ARGUE, WELL, WHERE DOES IT SAY THAT? SO IT'LL JUST HELP BE MORE CLEAR FOR EVERYBODY INCLUDING THE RESIDENTS AND BUILDERS OR DEVELOPERS TOO.
GOOD. I HAVE KRAMER BARTON, VICE MAYOR. JUST TWO REAL QUICK THINGS.
FIRST, THANKS FOR THIS. I THINK IT'S GREAT. BEFORE I TALK ABOUT TURTLE THING AS FAR AS THE DIFFERENT LIGHTING AND OUR COMMUNITIES IN RESIDENCES, I WOULD REALLY LOVE IF WE COULD GET BEFORE THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL WITH THAT AND SEE IF WE COULD GET A I'D RATHER JUST BE GROUND UP, WHICH I THINK ALL THE NEIGHBORHOODS I'M GUESSING WOULD SUPPORT.
SOME STANDARDIZATION IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOODS. THEN BE TOP DOWN.
THAT'S MY OPINION. I WOULD LIKE TO AT LEAST POLL THEM AND SAY, HEY, DO YOU CARE IF THERE'S A WHATEVER? LIKE, MY GRANDMA USED TO HAVE THAT METAL CHRISTMAS TREE THING WITH THE LIGHT. THAT'S. ALL YOU YOUNG PEOPLE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. BUT SOME OF YOU OLDER FOLKS PROBABLY DO. ANYWAY AND IF WE DON'T HAVE CONSENSUS ON THAT, THAT'S OKAY.
AND THEN I HAVE A REALLY GOOD QUESTION. BECAUSE IT'S OFF SEASON.
IT'S TRICKY BECAUSE IT REQUIRES PEOPLE TO BE OUT AT NIGHT.
AND THEN ALSO YOU CAN GO AND TELL PEOPLE TO TURN THE LIGHTS OFF, THEY'LL TURN THE LIGHTS OFF, AND THEN YOU HAVE TO BE BACK THERE THE NEXT NIGHT AND THE NEXT NIGHT. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW. SO WE WOULD LOVE TO MAKE THIS FROM A.
ON THE FRONT END INSTEAD OF RELYING SOLELY ON ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE THAT'S THAT'S A TOUGH LIFT.
SO AGAIN THAT'S A LEAN CODE ENFORCEMENT DEPARTMENT TO BEGIN WITH.
SURE. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S KIND OF CONSTANT.
SO THAT'S BRINGING THE HOA'S AND AND HOPEFULLY HAVING SOME REALLY MOTIVATED FOLKS IN THOSE COMMUNITIES THAT WILL SAY, HEY, WE DON'T DO IT THIS WAY. HEY, WHEN YOU WANT TO REPLACE YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR LIGHT FIXTURES OR AGING AND YOU WANT TO REPLACE YOUR LIGHT FIXTURES, REMEMBER, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE BETTER, BETTER OPTIONS.
WELL, THOSE ARE THE STANDARDS THAT NEED TO BE IN PLACE.
THERE. IN PLACE. THERE'S JUST. THAT'S WHAT I'M.
AND IT'S HARD TO BRING CODE ENFORCEMENT FOR STATE ADMINISTRATIVE CODES.
RIGHT? BECAUSE THEN THEN WE'RE ENFORCING STATE RESTRICTIONS.
I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A FULL CODE ENFORCEMENT HEARING WITH 25 VIOLATIONS ON SEA TURTLE LIGHTING, AND I WOULD DEEM THEM ALL IRREPARABLE AND IRREVERSIBLE. AND I WOULD GO FOR $5,000 A POP.
THAT WOULD BE IDEAL. THAT'S HOW IMPORTANT IT IS.
IT'S AS SIMPLE AS CLOSING YOUR DRAPES. IT'S REALLY THAT SIMPLE.
SO AGAIN, JUST TO FORESHADOW, WE'RE GOING TO BRING THIS ORDINANCE.
IT'S GOING TO GIVE US THE ENFORCEMENT OPPORTUNITY THAT WE NEED.
OF COURSE WE'LL WORK WITH WHOEVER THE CITY COUNCIL, WORKS ASSOCIATIONS, ETC.
BUT ANYONE WATCHING, I MEAN, I TAKE THIS VERY SERIOUSLY, THEN SO DO I.
THANKS, MATT. RIGHT. SO IF WE ARE ALLOWING THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS.
WHERE'S THE CRITERIA FOR THESE CANDLE AND ALL OF THE BRIGHTNESS THAT'S HAPPENING NOW? SO SARAH REVIEWS THE LIGHTING PLANS FOR ALL OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS AT THE BUILDING PERMIT PHASE.
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IT'S EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS THAT AREN'T COMING BEFORE US FOR A BUILDING PERMIT.SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY ON THE FRONT END TO REVIEW WHAT'S BEING INSTALLED.
I THINK THERE CAN ALSO BE WE'VE DONE A LOT OF EDUCATION THROUGH OUR PERMITTING AND SITE VISITS TO WHERE OTHER AREAS OR BUILDINGS OR PROPERTIES THAT HAD FORMERLY FALLEN INTO THIS SECTION OF THE CODE, WHERE THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO COMPLY WITHIN SEA TURTLE SEASON BECAUSE THEIR LIGHTING WAS IN PLACE PRIOR TO THE ORDINANCE, ARE STRUGGLING TO REALIZE WELL WHEN THEY ARE REDEVELOPING OR HITTING THAT THRESHOLD, TO HAVING TO BRING IT UP TO COMPLIANCE, THAT IT HAS TO REMAIN YEAR ROUND.
SO SOME FOLKS ARE STILL WANTING THE BEST OF BOTH WORLDS.
AND SO THAT'S BEEN A TOUGH HURDLE AS WELL FOR US.
BUT THAT'S THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING BACK.
THANK YOU. I HAVE BARTON AND THEN VICE MAYOR AND THEN MY QUESTIONS WERE PRIMARILY THE CODE RELATED QUESTIONS. SO THEY WERE MORE OR LESS ANSWERED.
IT'S A GROUP EFFORT. MISS. MISS NORRIS HAS BEEN VERY HELPFUL AS WELL AS NATALIE.
GOT IT. VICE MAYOR. WELL, ERIC AND SARAH, APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS ON THIS.
THE THE SLIDES WITH TURTLE PICS REALLY DO MAKE ME SMILE.
THAT'S WHY WE DID THAT. YEAH, THAT WAS A CHEAP SHOT.
THE YEAH, THE DISORIENTATION, THE INSTANCES OF DISORIENTATION.
I'M NOT SMILING VERY MUCH. AND I THINK THAT THERE'S A CONSENSUS HERE THAT THAT'S PART OF THE CHARM OF THIS COMMUNITY IS IS PROTECTING AND ENCOURAGING SUCCESSFUL HATCHLINGS. I DO, AND I THINK OTHERS MIGHT SUPPORT STRONG ORDINANCES AND AND THE ENFORCEMENT, NOT JUST THE ORDINANCES, BUT THE ENFORCEMENT.
HOWEVER, ACCORDING TO MANY FEMALES, IF THE MALES WOULD SIMPLY ASK FOR DIRECTIONS, WE WOULD HAVE AN OVERALL LOWER RATE OF DISORIENTATION. NOW I JUST I'M NOT EITHER. JUST SAYING THAT.
THANK YOU. OKAY. AND I KNOW THAT IT IS IN THE DRB HANDBOOK THAT THE DRB WOULD REVIEW OUR LIGHTING.
YES. AND SINCE THAT HASN'T HAPPENED SINCE OH SIX, IF NO ONE IS OPPOSED TO THAT, THAT DID GO TO DRB AND HAVE THEM BE A PRIORITY LIGHTING STANDARDS. SO THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, WHEN A WHEN A PROJECT IS BEFORE THEM, THEY DO REVIEW LIGHTING FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE FIXTURES, YOU KNOW WORK WELL WITH THE ARCHITECTURE AND STUFF LIKE THAT, BUT THEY'RE NOT ENFORCING THE FOOT CANDLE REQUIREMENTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO I THINK IT'S A COMBINATION. BUT YES, THEY ARE INAPPROPRIATE FOR THEM TO DO THAT.
OR IS THAT A STAFF RECOMMENDATION? I THINK THE BEST THING TO DO IS TO HAVE VERY CLEAR, STRICT STANDARDS THAT WE CAN ENFORCE AT THE BUILDING PERMIT, BECAUSE THEN YOU'RE NOT LEAVING IT UP TO A SUBJECTIVE WELL, IN THIS CASE, YOU KNOW, BRIGHTER LIGHTS MIGHT WORK.
THANK YOU. SO CAN YOU RESCHEDULE THAT TO COME BACK TO FOR DISCUSSION? AND IS THAT FOR MULTIFAMILY AND SINGLE? JUST MULTIFAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY AND COMMERCIAL? BECAUSE WE HAVE COMMERCIAL ISSUES WITH THE DARK SKIES, WHICH WE'VE NEVER PUT IN PLACE.
WOW. MAYBE BECAUSE THE MAJORITY OF THE BEACHFRONT.
ALL RIGHT. ANYTHING ELSE, MR. YOUNG? NO, MA'AM.
OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALL RIGHT. COUNCIL.
I'M SORRY. OH, SORRY. NO. GO AHEAD. OKAY. LET'S REMEMBER, YOU KNOW THAT THESE COULD BE SEASONAL RENTALS AND THAT MICROPHONE, THE WHOLE THING. BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW THAT THE THE OWNER IS NECESSARILY IN RESIDENCE.
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SO JUST I THINK THAT'S A COMPLICATING FACTOR.THEY COULD BE SEASONAL RENTALS. THEY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHY IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE FIXTURES THAT ARE INSTALLED ARE COMPLIANT.
AND THE, THE LIGHT BULB, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. I THINK THAT'S I AGREE WITH YOU.
THESE THESE ARE YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE YOUR GRANDKIDS ARE HERE TO VISIT AND THEY DON'T KNOW THAT THEY HAVE TO SHUT THE BLINDS. BUT IF THE FIXTURES ARE CORRECT AND YOU KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE THE UPLOAD LIGHTING, I THINK THAT THAT TAKES AWAY A LOT OF THAT.
AGREED. AND OUR GOAL WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING TOO, IS THAT IF LIGHTS ARE LEFT ON THAT THEY'RE COMPLIANT.
BUT I AGREE WITH YOU. IT'S TOUGH WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW WHO'S THERE.
IT MAY NOT BE THE OWNER. IT COULD BE A RENTER.
WE'VE HAD INSTANCES WHERE LIGHTS ARE LEFT ON BECAUSE THE YOU KNOW, MAYBE THEY HAD A CONTRACTOR COME THROUGH OR THE CLEANING CREW CAME THROUGH AND THEY JUST DIDN'T REALIZE IT. SO IT'S WHEN WE DO REVIEW, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE EVEN IF THERE'S HUMAN ERROR, THAT IT'S GOING TO BE THE LEAST DISRUPTIVE TO THE TURTLES AS WELL.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
LOOK FORWARD TO COMING BACK WITH THAT. AND THAT CONCLUDES ITEM FIVE.
I HAVE MADAM CLERK. PUBLIC COMMENT. HAVE NONE.
OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US TO CORRESPONDENCE AND COMMUNICATIONS.
[7. COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, AND STAFF]
MATT PENMAN JUST A FYI, I'M GETTING MORE AND MORE ANXIOUS ALL THE TIME ABOUT ALL OF THE PROPERTY THAT WE'VE GOT ON THE RIVER. AND I THINK AT SOME POINT IN TIME WE NEED TO HAVE A SERIOUS DISCUSSION ABOUT THAT.SO WE ARE WHERE WE ARE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
BARTON. NOTHING FOR ME, CRISPIN. NOTHING FOR ME TONIGHT.
CRAMER. NOTHING FOR ME. THANK YOU. PETRANOFF.
NOTHING FOR ME TODAY. VICE MAYOR AND NOTHING HERE.
MR. MCCONNELL? NO. I'LL SEE YOU SHORTLY. OKAY.
SPECIAL MEETING MR. YOUNG? NO, MA'AM. THANK YOU.
OKAY, GREAT. WITH THAT THE CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP IS ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.