[1. CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL]
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          REGULAR CITY COUNCIL MEETING THIS BEAUTIFUL SEPTEMBER 3RD, 2025. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON HERE. FAIRLY. COUNCIL MEMBER HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER. PETRANOFF HERE. VICE MAYOR HUTCHINSON HERE. 
          [2. INVOCATION AND PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE]
MAYOR HARTMAN HERE. THANK YOU. AND TODAY, WE ARE HAPPY TO HAVE PASTOR JOSEPH WITH US FROM FAITH BIBLE CHURCH AND FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE LED BY COUNCIL MEMBER CHRISTMAN. PLEASE STAND. 
          GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME. THANK YOU. PLEASE BOW YOUR HEAD AS I LEAD US IN PRAYER. GRACIOUS AND SOVEREIGN GOD, THANK YOU FOR THE GIFT OF LIFE, FOR THE FREEDOM OF TO GATHER IN PEACE AND FOR OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE THE COMMON GOOD. YOU ARE THE SOURCE OF WISDOM, JUSTICE, AND TRUTH. I ASK YOUR BLESSING ON THIS COUNCIL, ON THE MAYOR AND EACH MEMBER HERE. GRANT THEM DISCERNMENT TO LEAD WELL INTEGRITY IN THEIR DECISIONS, AND COURAGE TO DO WHAT IS RIGHT, EVEN WHEN IT IS NOT EASY OR POPULAR. MAY THEIR WORK REFLECT COMPASSION FOR EVERY RESIDENT OF THIS CITY WHERE THERE ARE DIFFERENCES. BRING UNDERSTANDING WHERE THERE IS WEARINESS. BRING STRENGTH WHERE THERE IS CONFLICT, BRING PEACE. LET HUMILITY GUIDE EVERY CONVERSATION AND UNITY. SHAPE EVERY GOAL. PROVIDE WHAT IS NEEDED TODAY NOT ONLY IN RESOURCES, BUT IN GRACE, PATIENCE, AND WISDOM. FOR THOSE IN THIS ROOM CARRYING UNSEEN BURDENS, MAY THEY FIND COMFORT AND STRENGTH. KEEP EACH OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS FROM DECISIONS DRIVEN BY FEAR OR SELF-INTEREST. LEAD THEM INSTEAD IN THE WAY OF JUSTICE, MERCY, AND HUMILITY. 
          SHAPE THIS COMMUNITY INTO ONE MARKED BY MUTUAL RESPECT AND SHARED PURPOSE. HELP US NOT ONLY TO SPEAK, BUT TO LISTEN, NOT ONLY TO SEEK CHANGE, BUT TO BE CHANGED. FATHER, I PRAY THESE THINGS IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. AMEN. THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. 
          [3. SET AGENDA (add or remove items)]
MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. JUST A COUPLE THINGS. FIRST OF ALL, ITEM 12 A, WHICH IS A RESOLUTION APPROVING A VALET LICENSE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF NAPLES AND THE OLD NAPLES HOTEL. HAS BEEN REQUESTED TO BE CONTINUED AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT. 
          AND AT THIS TIME, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE IT TO SEPTEMBER 24TH, 2025. ANOTHER ITEM IS AGENDA 13, AGENDA ITEM 13 H, WHICH IS A DISCUSSION ITEM RELATED TO CLARIFYING THE PROCESS OF CITY COUNCIL'S REVIEW OF THE AIRPORT UTILIZATION PLAN AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL PROCESS FOR THE C4 AIRPORT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT BY IMPLEMENTING RESOLUTION 202515651 PURSUANT TO SECTION SIX ADMINISTRATION. WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS MOVE THIS ITEM TO BE HEARD AFTER 4D, BECAUSE 4D HAS THE AIRPORT HERE. AND IN THE EVENT THAT THEY CHOSE TO HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY, WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO HAVE THEM COME BACK. SO THAT IS THE PROPOSAL. 
          IN ADDITION TO THAT, PLEASE NOTE ALSO THAT A REDLINE AND STRIKETHROUGH VERSION OF THE WORKING DRAFT FOR THE SITE PLAN AND UTILIZATION PLAN WERE EMAILED AND PRINTED. COPIES WERE PROVIDED TO THE CITY CLERK FOR INCLUSION. INCLUSION IN THE MEETING AGENDA. SO AND THEN LASTLY, AGENDA ITEM 13 E IS AN ANNOUNCEMENT OF AN EXECUTIVE SESSION RELATED TO LABOR RELATIONS AND COLLECTIVE BARGAINING STRATEGY. AND THAT IS AT 1230. TIME CERTAIN. AND THAT'LL BE ALL, MADAM. ALSO COUNCIL, THERE WAS A HANDOUT. DID YOU MENTION THAT? I'M SORRY. 
          WELL, THAT'S THE RED LINE VERSION THAT WE SENT OUT. EVERYBODY HAS HANDED OUT AND GIVEN TO THE CLERK AS WELL. YES. OKAY. PERFECT. COUNCIL. ANY CHANGES TO THE. AGENDA? THERE 
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ARE NO CHANGES. MAYOR, I DO HAVE A. YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO PULL SEVEN J. AND. SO IF THERE ARE NO OTHER. I'M SORRY, I DO. I WANT TO PULL THE SPECIAL EVENTS WHICH ARE H A. THAT'S IT. 
          OKAY. ASSUMING THERE ARE NO OTHER CHANGES, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE AGENDA WITH. OTHER ITEMS. SEVEN J PULLED EIGHT A POOLED. ITEM 13. EXCUSE ME. 12 A PULLED AND CONTINUED TO A MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 24TH AND MOVING ITEM. 13 H UP TO FOUR E. OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CHRISTMANN. SECOND, I HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER PETRANOFF. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNED BY I, I. AND NEXT WE HAVE PRESENTATIONS AND ANNOUNCEMENTS. 
          AND WE HAVE NUMBER FOUR. WE HAVE DO THE RIGHT THING. MR. OFFICER SEAN PHILLIPS PR FIRST PARDON DA. OH I'M SORRY. THANK YOU. THIS ONE'S GOT ME IN ORDER HERE. I'M GOING TO DO FOUR A AND I HAVE THE PROCLAMATION FOR THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION. GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE. YOU CAN SEE. 
          RIGHT. STAND RIGHT BEHIND ME. OKAY, GREAT. GOOD TO SEE YOU. THANK YOU. SO IT'S MY HONOR TO 
          [4.A. Proclamation for The Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR) Constitution Week. (Teresa Heitmann, Mayor)]
READ THIS PROCLAMATION. WHEREAS SEPTEMBER 17TH, 2025 MARKS THE 238TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE DRAFTING OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA BY THE CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION. 
          AND WHEREAS IT IS FITTING AND PROPER TO ACCORD OFFICIAL RECOGNITION TO THIS HISTORIC DOCUMENT AND ITS MEMORIAL MEMORABLE ANNIVERSARY, AS WELL TO THE PATRIOTIC CELEBRATIONS WHICH WILL COMMENCE TO THIS OCCASION, WHEREAS PUBLIC LAW 915 GUARANTEES THE ISSUING OF A PROCLAMATION EACH YEAR BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, DESIGNATING SEPTEMBER 17TH THROUGH SEPTEMBER 23RD AS CONSTITUTION WEEK, WHEREAS THE CITY OF NAPLES RECOGNIZES THE ENDURING IMPORTANCE OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION AS THE GUARDIANS OF THE LIBERTIES AND FOUNDATIONS OF OUR NATION'S LAWS. WHEREAS IT IS IMPORTANT FOR ALL CITIZENS TO REAFFIRM THE IDEALS ENVISIONED BY THE FRAMERS IN 1787 BY VILLAGE, VIGILANTLY PROTECTING THE FREEDOMS GUARANTEED TO US, REMEMBERING THAT LOST RIGHTS MAY NEVER BE REGAINED. NOW, THEREFORE, I, TERESA LEE, MAYOR OF THE CITY OF NAPLES, FLORIDA, ON BEHALF OF THE CITY COUNCIL, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THE WEEK OF SEPTEMBER 17TH THROUGH SEPTEMBER 23RD AS CONSTITUTION WEEK. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU PRESENT THIS TO YOU. DO YOU HAVE A FEW REMARKS? THANK YOU. A FEW REMARKS. YES. WE WILL COME OVER HERE. YES. THANK YOU. 
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WE NEEDED THAT. YEAH. FOR REAL? NOW. IS THE RIGHT THING. AND. GOOD MORNING. WELL, WE ARE VERY 
          [4.B. Do the Right Thing. (Ciro Dominguez, Police Chief)]
EXCITED TO BE BACK FROM OUR SUMMER BREAK, AND WE HAVE SOME AMAZING STORIES TO TELL YOU ABOUT TWO YOUNG LADIES IN OUR COMMUNITY. FIRST, I'D LIKE TO START OFF BY HONORING OUR SPONSOR. IF I COULD HAVE MR. RADO NIKOLOVA FROM VALLEY PROS. SO RADO CONTACTED ME OVER THE SUMMER AND HE SAID, I HEARD ABOUT YOU DO THE RIGHT THING PROGRAM, AND I'M LOOKING TO GET INVOLVED. WHAT CAN WE DO? SO WE WORK LONG AND HARD. AND WHAT RADO CAME UP WITH FOR OUR RECIPIENTS TODAY IS THEY HAVE A A GOLD MEMBERSHIP TO VIP PARKING TO ALL OF HIS LOCATIONS, WHICH ARE ON FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH. NAPLES COMMUNITY HOSPITAL AS WELL AS THE GULFSHORE PLAYHOUSE. 
          BUT THEN HE CALLED ME UP. HE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT? I JUST DON'T THINK THAT GOLD MEMBERSHIP WITH THE FAMILY IS ENOUGH. WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS I WOULD LIKE TO ADD ROUND TRIP TRANSPORTATION, LIMO SERVICE BACK AND FORTH TO RSA FOR THE FAMILIES FOR THE NEXT TIME THEY GO ON VACATION. SO ERATO, THANK YOU FOR YOUR DONATION TO THE PROGRAM. WE APPRECIATE ALL YOUR HARD WORK. AND WE HAVE A PLAQUE FOR YOU HERE FROM THE CITY OF NAPLES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. WE APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU DO. FIRST UP TODAY FROM NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL, WE HAVE LIZZIE. LIZZIE, IF YOU COME UP. LIZZIE FOUNDED AN ORGANIZATION CALLED LIZZIE'S TREES FOR NEEDS. THE MISSION IS SIMPLE. EVERY CHILD DESERVES THE MAGIC OF CHRISTMAS. LIZZIE'S DREAM OF HELPING IN HER COMMUNITY BECAME A REALITY IN JUST SECOND GRADE. BY SEEKING DONATIONS FROM GENEROUS DONORS AND IDENTIFYING FAMILIES IN NEED. LIZZIE. LIZZIE HAS MADE A DIFFERENCE IN THE LIVES OF MANY LIZZIE'S TREES FOR NEEDS BELIEVES THAT EVERY FAMILY SHOULD BE BLESSED WITH A CHRISTMAS TREE DURING THE HOLIDAYS. NO CHILD SHOULD EVER MISS OUT ON THE TRADITION OF HAVING A BRIGHT, NICELY LIT CHRISTMAS TREE WITH A STAR ON TOP. SHE DECIDED TO START DOING THIS SO WE CAN HAVE AS MANY PEOPLE AS POSSIBLE FEEL THE CHRISTMAS MAGIC, REGARDLESS OF THEIR FINANCIAL SITUATION. AS OF 2024, LIZZIE IS OFFICIALLY A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION, AND THEY'RE WORKING TOWARDS DEVELOPING PARTNERSHIPS WITH WALMART AND ANY FURTHER COMPANIES THAT ARE WILLING TO HELP OUT. LIZZIE. ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. THANK YOU FOR DOING THE RIGHT THING. SO WE HAVE A DO THE RIGHT THING BACKPACK HERE FOR YOU. WE. WHAT IS MINE? WE ALSO HAVE A TROPHY FROM THE CITY OF NAPLES DO THE RIGHT THING PROGRAM. AND SENATOR RICK SCOTT HAS ACTUALLY WRITTEN YOU A LETTER. AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK IN OUR COMMUNITY, SO WE APPRECIATE YOU DOING THE RIGHT THING. THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS CAROL MILES VILLANI. CAROL MILES IS ONE OF THOSE CHILDREN THAT WHEN SHE ENTERS THE ROOM THAT THAT SMILE JUST FILLS IT. 
          SO SHE'S AN AMAZING YOUNG LADY. AND LET ME TELL YOU A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT SHE'S DONE AT SUCH A YOUNG AGE. CAROL MILES STARTED SMILES FOR MILES AT JUST EIGHT YEARS OLD WHILE ATTENDING SEAGATE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. SHE NOW CONTINUES HER JOURNEY AS A STUDENT AT THE COMMUNITY SCHOOL OF NAPLES. CAROL MILES CHOSE TO SPEND HER RECESS TIME WITH SPECIAL NEEDS CHILDREN ENROLLED IN THE MODIFIED CURRICULUM PROGRAM. SHE ALSO HAS USED HER OWN MONEY TO PURCHASE THE CLASS PUZZLES, AND HELPED THEM WITH PUTTING THEM TOGETHER. ON FRIDAYS, CAROL MILES EATS LUNCH WITH THE CLASS AND ASSIST THEM WITH ANYTHING THEY NEED HELP WITH, ALWAYS LOOKING FOR WAYS TO MAKE THE PROGRAM BETTER, CAROL MILES HAS ASKED OTHER STUDENTS TO JOIN IN AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE BY ADDING AT A TIME FOR CRAFTS AND GAMES PRIOR TO THE SCHOOL DAY. EVERY MONTH'S ACTIVITIES ARE A DIFFERENT THEME, AND SHE EVEN ENLISTED THE HELP OF HER DAD, TONY, TO FUND A GOLF TOURNAMENT TO RAISE MONEY FOR A GROUP TRIP TO CHUCK E CHEESE. 
          THAT IS AWESOME. CAROL MILES, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING YOU DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY. WE APPRECIATE YOU DOING THE RIGHT THING. AND WE ALSO HAVE A SENATOR, A LETTER FROM SENATOR 
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RICK SCOTT, YOUR TROPHY, YOUR BACKPACK, AS WELL AS THAT TRIP TO RSU ON YOU FOR MOM AND DAD. 
          AWESOME JOB, CAROL MILES. AND FOR OUR CLOSING, I WOULD LIKE TO BRING UP OUR CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD, MR. PATRICK O'CONNOR. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. GOOD MORNING. THANK YOU ALL. MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, YOU KNOW, THIS STARTS OUT 13TH YEAR OF THIS PROGRAM. WE RECOGNIZED OVER 250 YOUNG ADULTS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ARE ALL MAKING A DIFFERENCE. THIS MORNING WE HAD LIZZIE AND AND CAROL. BOTH STORIES ARE SO DIFFERENT, BUT THEY HAVE THAT SAME COMMON THREAD THAT GOES THROUGH THEM OF KINDNESS, COMPASSION, AND CARING WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND IT'S JUST JUST WANT TO THANK YOU ALL FOR ALLOWING US TO PRESENT THESE UPLIFTING STORIES WHICH SHOW WHAT A DIFFERENCE WE CAN ALL MAKE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY WHEN WE DO THE RIGHT THING. I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU ALL AND HAVE A GREAT DAY. THANK YOU. MAYOR, CAN WE BRING OUR RECIPIENTS UP FOR SOME PHOTOS? WE WOULD BE DELIGHTED. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. BECAUSE OF PEOPLE IN THE WORLD. 
          AND. PROUD PARENTS. AND. OKAY, OKAY. 
          OKAY. THAT TAKES US TO ITEM FOUR. C THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER, FOR BEING HERE TODAY. GOOD MORNING MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL AND CITIZENS OF NAPLES. HOPE EVERYBODY HAD A GREAT 
          [4.C. Update from Commissioner Kowal.]
SUMMER. GOT TO DO EVERYTHING YOU WANTED TO DO. RELAX OUT OF BATTERIES ARE RECHARGED AND LET'S GET IT. ALRIGHT. WELL I FOR THE RECORD, I'M COMMISSIONER DAN KOWAL. I REPRESENT DISTRICT FOUR, WHICH IS THE CITY OF NAPLES LIES WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF MY DISTRICT. I REPRESENT FOR COLLIER COUNTY. SO I KNOW WE HAD SOME CORRESPONDENCE AND THERE WAS SOME QUESTIONS. IT'S NOT ON THE MONITOR UP THERE, BUT RIGHT NOW IT IS ON A FEW DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON WITHIN THE COUNTY THAT HAVE BEEN GOING ON FOR SOME TIME NOW, BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE TO BRING SOME UPDATE TO THEM. THIS WAS THE THE TRIANGLE OF PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR. THIS IS THE DAVIS AND US 41 TRIANGLE WHERE THEY MEET BEFORE IT EITHER GOES EAST OR WEST INTO THE CITY OF NAPLES. AND IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT, WE'VE HAVE THERE'S LIKE FOUR LOTS ON THE PROPERTY THAT HAVE FOUR DIFFERENT DEVELOPMENTS. AND ONE OF THEM, YOU KNOW, WE'LL TALK ABOUT, BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, LOT ON THE ON THE FAR LEFT THE ELLINGTON. OH THERE IT IS. THAT ONE THERE IS BASICALLY RIGHT NOW IT'S BEEN APPROVED FOR SOME TIME BUT SINCE 2020. BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW THERE'S STILL NO APPLICATION FOR DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE COUNTY FOR FOR STARTING CONSTRUCTION ON THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR, YOU KNOW, THIS PARTICULAR AREA HERE. THIS IS PRETTY MUCH COMPLETE THE ASCENT. THE ASCENT ITSELF IS IT'S MADE UP OF 270 RENTAL RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. THERE'S A RESTAURANT, A 6200 
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SQUARE FOOT RESTAURANT. AS OF RIGHT NOW, AS OF DECEMBER OF 2024, THEY GOT THERE A TCODE OR TEMPORARY CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR ALL 16 FLOORS. SINCE THEN AND BUT THE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND THE RESTAURANT AND THAT STILL HAS SOME INSPECTIONS AND THINGS TO GO THROUGH BEFORE IT ACTUALLY BECOMES OPEN. SO IT'S NOT ACTUALLY OPEN YET. RIGHT NOW, IF YOU DRIVE BY, YOU CAN SEE THE AURORA IS ACTUALLY UNDER CONSTRUCTION. IT HAS BEEN SOME FOR SOME TIME NOW FOR THE LAST FEW MONTHS, PROBABLY LOOKING AT COMPLETION LATE 2026. SO IT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, IT'S AT THAT POINT AND THEN AT THE BOTTOM YOU SEE LOT THREE, THIS IS THAT AREA THAT HAS A COUPLE COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES THAT EXIST. THE U-HAUL AREA, THE U-HAUL BUSINESS. IF PEOPLE ARE FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA THERE, THAT THAT U-HAUL PROPERTY IS GOING TO VACATE, IT'S MOVING TO THE EAST. IT'S GOING OUT TOWARDS. IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR, NAPLES MANOR AREA OF 41, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF 41 AS YOU'RE TRAVELING EAST, AS THEY BOUGHT UP ABOUT FIVE ACRES OF PROPERTY OUT THERE. SO IT'S GOING TO BE RELOCATED OUT THERE. AS OF RIGHT NOW, ZERO APPLICATION FOR ANY PLANS OR ANYTHING COME FORWARD FOR LOT THREE YET. SO THAT'S PRETTY MUCH THAT IN A NUTSHELL. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO THIS AS OF RIGHT NOW, OR WE CAN JUST TAKE QUESTIONS AT THE END. JUST A QUICK QUESTION, COMMISSIONER, ARE THE DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE STATUS OF THE RENTAL UNITS ARE AT THE ASCENT? I DON'T KNOW ANY OF THEM OCCUPIED. YES. THERE ARE SOME OCCUPIED ALREADY. I DON'T KNOW. I KNOW IN DECEMBER THERE WAS A PUSH BECAUSE THEY HAD ONES THAT WERE RENTED ON FLOORS THAT WEREN'T CODE YET, AND THAT'S WHY THEY DID A BIG PUSH TO GET UP THE CODE AND TO GET THAT DONE, BECAUSE THEY HAD PEOPLE MOVING IN IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY 1ST OF THE YEAR. BUT OFFHAND, I DO NOT KNOW THE AMOUNT OF OCCUPANCY OR WHAT'S LEFT OR NOT AT THIS TIME. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. 
          COUNCIL PETRANOFF, THANK YOU FOR COMING TODAY. JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS. ARE THERE ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS WITHIN THIS PD PLAN? NO NO NO OKAY. THIS IS THIS IS MOST OF THESE WERE APPROVED LATE 2019. EARLY 2020. YEAH. THESE ARE ALL IN. THERE WASN'T A BIG PUSH ACTUALLY IT WAS COVID TIME IF YOU REMEMBER CORRECTLY. SO THIS PUD WAS PUT TOGETHER TO BASICALLY GET A GREATER FOOTPRINT OF UNITS PER PER SIZE OR SMALLER OR GREATER NUMBER OF UNITS ON A SMALLER FOOTPRINT WAS TO TO MAKE IT MORE, I GUESS, VALUABLE TO THE DEVELOPERS BECAUSE IT WAS THE PROPERTY WAS OWNED BY THE COUNTY. THE CRA AT ONE POINT WENT IN AND BOUGHT THE PROPERTY BECAUSE IT WAS THERE WAS AN OLD CAR LOT. THERE WAS A BODY SHOP, THERE WAS A GAS STATION, THERE WAS AN OLD FAST FOOD RESTAURANT, AND A LOT OF THEM WERE VACANT. EVEN THE FAST FOOD RESTAURANT AT POINT HAD BASICALLY LIKE A HEROIN DEN, HAD PEOPLE SQUATTING IN IT. AND SO THE COUNTY, THE CRA SAID, WE CAN'T HAVE THIS. THIS IS NOT THE IMAGE WE WANT. SO THEY BOUGHT THE PROPERTY, AND THAT'S HOW THIS ALL CAME ABOUT. TO SELL THE PROPERTY, THEY HAD TO GIVE IT SOME, SOME JUICE TO THE DEVELOPERS WORTH INVESTING THEIR MONEY. SO THAT HAS A SPECIAL PUD JUST FOR THAT TRIANGLE AREA. OKAY. SO IT DOESN'T EXTEND OUTSIDE OF THOSE BORDERS. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR. I KNOW YOU GUYS ASKED ME A QUESTION ABOUT THE MARRIOTT. I CAN GO RIGHT INTO THAT. JUST ONE MORE ON THIS. HOW MANY TOTAL HOUSING UNITS ARE IN THIS PD? WELL, THE THE AURORA IS THAT'S FOR PURCHASE CONDOS. THAT ONE IS. I HAVE SOME NOTES HERE. LET ME SEE WHERE WE'RE AT. SO WE HAD 220 WITH THE ASCENT. YEAH. 
          THOSE ARE RENTAL RENTAL APARTMENTS. THE AURORA HAS. WHERE'S AT 56 RESIDENTIAL CONDOS IN THERE. AND IF THEY EVER DO SUBMIT DEVELOPMENT, THE PLANS HAVE BEEN LAID OUT FOR THE ONE ON THE END IN THIS AREA HERE. NOW THAT'S GOING TO HAVE 25 RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND THEN SOME HOTEL. IT'S BASICALLY THE REST OF IT'S GOING TO BE A HOTEL. THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS DESIGNED OKAY. BUT LIKE I SAID THEY HAVEN'T SUBMITTED ANYTHING YET. OKAY. FOR DEVELOPMENT. AND WHAT ABOUT LOT 300 IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. THERE'S NOTHING AT ALL HAS BEEN SUBMITTED FOR LOT THREE YET. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN IS THIS 100% IN OUR WATER DISTRICT? I WOULD HAVE TO SAY YES IT IS. OKAY I THINK I THINK IT IS. YEAH. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE 
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WELCOME. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I CAN MOVE ON TO THE I KNOW THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS REFERENCE TO THE THE J.W. MARRIOTT PROJECT, WHICH IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS MAP HERE, IT PRETTY MUCH SITS JUST OFF TO THE RIGHT BOTTOM, RIGHT HAND SIDE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 41. 
          IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR, THERE USED TO BE OLD LITTLE ITALY RESTAURANT THERE AT THE CORNER OF PALM. THEY PURCHASED THAT AND AN EMPTY COMMERCIAL LOT, WHICH EQUALS ABOUT FIVE ACRES. 
          THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT, THE DEVELOPERS AND THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY WENT AROUND AND AROUND FOR ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF, SUBMITTING DIFFERENT PLANS. AT ONE POINT, THEY WERE TRYING TO MIMIC WHAT WAS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE STREET. AND, YOU KNOW, THROUGH THROUGH NEGOTIATION, THROUGH ME AND THEIR ATTORNEYS AND AND THE DESIGNERS, WE GOT IT DOWN TO THE POINT WHERE THEY BASICALLY LET THEIR APPLICATION EXPIRE. AND THEN THEY WENT IN, FILED PLANS TO FIT WITHIN THE FOOTPRINT OF WHAT'S ALLOWABLE FOR A C4 LOT HOTEL. SO BASICALLY, THE DIMENSIONS FALL RIGHT WITHIN BY. RIGHT. SO IT'S NOT EVEN GOING TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. NOW, I HAVE TAKEN A STRONG INTEREST BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITY. THAT AREA IS CONCERNED. AND THERE IS SOME CONCERNS BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE TRAFFIC MAY FLOW IN AND OUT. BUT AS OF RIGHT NOW, THERE'S A FEW PERMITS THAT ARE STILL OUT THERE THAT HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED YET. THE FDOT PERMIT FOR THE THERE'S STILL ABOUT FOUR, ABOUT FOUR DIFFERENT TIMES THEY'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH WITH THAT PERMIT WITH THE DEVELOPER ON HOW THEY'RE GOING TO EGRESS AND INGRESS IN AND OUT OF THE PROPERTY IF IT'S GOING TO BE ON 41 OR NOT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S STILL UP IN THE AIR WITH THE DEVELOPER. AND BETWEEN FDOT, THEY DID GET STORM SOUTHWEST WATER STORM MANAGEMENT DID GIVE THEM A PERMIT FOR THEIR STORM WATER PLAN THAT WAS GIVEN TO THEM A FEW WEEKS BACK, AND THERE'S STILL JUST A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT PERMITS STILL HANGING OUT THERE THAT THEY HAVE NOT SECURED YET. SO I DON'T HAVE A TIME OR DATE WHEN THEY WILL BREAK GROUND YET FOR THAT PROJECT. BUT OTHER THAN SECURING THE PERMITS AND STAYING WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF WHAT'S ALLOWED ON THE PROPERTY, THAT IT'S PRETTY MUCH A DONE DEAL. SO. I KNOW THERE WAS A QUESTION PERTAINING TO. OKAY, HOW DO I MOVE THIS SLIDE? SO THERE WE GO. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS. WE HAD A MEETING. IT WAS BACK. WELL IT WAS THIS LAST MEETING IN AUGUST ON THE 24TH WE REVISIT OUR LDC FOR LAND DEVELOPMENT CODES FOR OUR URBAN AREAS. AND THERE WAS SOME THINGS BROUGHT FORTH. IT WAS LIKE FOUR ITEMS THAT WERE BROUGHT TO US. ONE WAS THIS WHERE WE WE'VE ALWAYS HAD THIS PARTICULAR CHART THAT ALLOWS DEVELOPERS, IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THAT GIVES THEM A BONUS DEPENDING ON THE PERCENTAGE OF AND WHERE THE WHERE THEY ARE WITH THE MEDIAN INCOME, A PERCENTAGE OF WHAT THEY CAN ADD TO LIKE ADDITIONAL UNITS PER ACRE. AND IF YOU SEE IN THIS CHART THAT'S UP HERE, NOW THEY HAVE YOU SEE SOME OF THE NUMBERS WERE LINED OUT IN, SOME NUMBERS WERE CHANGED AND SOME WERE ADDED. WE DIDN'T HAVE WHAT THEY CALLED A MODERATE, A RIGHT MIDDLE. SO BASICALLY THIS BLUE SECTION HERE WAS ADDED TO THE CHART. AND WE FOUND THROUGH THE STUDIES AND DIFFERENT GROUP STUDIES WITH THE AD HOC COMMITTEE, INDEPENDENT STUDIES, THAT THIS WAS KIND OF LIKE THE MISSING PERCENTAGE OF INCOME. SO WE KIND OF CHANGED THIS, AND WE VOTED TO HAVE THIS ADDED IN HERE, THAT 80 TO 100% MEANING INCOME CATEGORY. SO WE'RE HOPING THAT WILL HELP. WHEN DEVELOPERS DO SEEK A BONUS, IT'LL GIVE THEM A GUIDELINE. BUT THIS DOESN'T MEAN IT'S AUTOMATIC. THIS IS NOT BY RIGHT. THESE STILL HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, SO EACH ONE WILL STILL BE LOOKED AT FOR FACE VALUE WHEN THEY BROUGHT FORWARD. 
          AND BUT THIS JUST GIVES THEM A GUIDE OF WHERE THEY CAN START OR END UP IF THEY GET APPROVED, IF THEY IF THEY CHOOSE TO USE THESE TYPE OF INCOME RATES FOR THEIR AFFORDABLE UNITS, FOR BONUSES. NOW THIS IS LIKE I SAID, THIS IS FOR THE URBAN AREAS WITHIN THE COUNTY THAT THAT WE'RE WE'RE TARGETING BECAUSE OF THE THE ONE OF THE PART THE PHASES IN THERE WAS. 
          ANOTHER SLIDE. SO YOU SEE THIS AREA HERE WITH THESE RED. THESE ARE ALL CONSIDERED. 
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RECREATIONAL. SO OR THEY HAVE TRANSIT LINES. SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET THEM TO STAY MORE IN AN AREA WHERE THEY'RE NOT USING VEHICLE TRAFFIC. BUT THE BONUSES WILL GO TOWARDS IF THEY'RE WITHIN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FEET TO TRANSIT TRANSPORTATION, PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION THROUGH BUS STOPS, MAJOR BUS BUS STATIONS LIKE THE ONE WE HAVE AT THE GOVERNMENT CENTER. SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE THAT WAS ADDED IN. NOW. THERE WAS ONE ITEM THAT WAS NOT PASSED, AND THAT WAS THE ONE THAT GAVE THEM BY RIGHT TO CONVERT COMMERCIAL PROPERTY TO RESIDENTIAL. WE DID NOT WE DID NOT VOTE THAT IN AS ONE OF THE CHANGES. AND WE FELT THAT WITH LIVE LOCAL, IT'S ALREADY EXISTS THROUGH THE STATE OF FLORIDA. AND WE REALLY HAVEN'T SEEN ANY REAL SUCCESS STORIES OF PEOPLE USING IT YET. THERE'S A COUPLE THAT THE COUNTY PARTNERED WITH FURTHER OUT EAST, WITH PROPERTY THE COUNTY ALREADY OWNED WITH THE MCDOWELL GROUP. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYBODY COME FORWARD IN THE URBAN AREAS TO CONVERT ANY COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES TO RESIDENTIAL USING THE LIVE LOCAL. SO I FELT WHY WOULD WE GIVE THEM ANOTHER OPTION THAT'S EVEN MORE STRINGENT? SO WE KIND OF VOTED THAT PORTION OF IT DOWN. AND THAT WAS THE THIRD WAS THE TRANSIT. AND I JUST BROUGHT UP. SO THE TRANSIT GIVES THEM A BONUS AS AN AREA TO TO BUILD. AND BASICALLY THAT JUST SO BY COUNTY ORDINANCE FOR PARKING PER PERSON, PER UNIT, IT GIVES THEM A BREAK ON THE PARKING SPOTS IF THEY HAVE THE TRANSIT ABILITY TO USE THE TRANSIT SYSTEM FROM THEIR PROPERTY. SO. IT'S BASICALLY TALKS ABOUT WHAT I JUST SAID ABOUT THE CAT BUS STOPS. WHAT'S IT? SO LET ME SEE. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE LDC CHANGES THAT WE DID? I'D BE MORE THAN WELCOME TO YES, COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER KOWAL THE. THE TWO ITEMS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, THE DENSITY BONUSES AND WHERE THE DENSITY BONUSES APPLY, AS WELL AS THE CONVERTING. AND I BELIEVE YOU SAID RESIDENTIAL. WAS IT COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL? YEAH. THAT DIDN'T PASS. SO THAT DIDN'T PASS THE LDC. SO EVEN THOUGH IT DIDN'T PASS, CAN THE STATE PREEMPT YOU AND MAKE YOU. WELL WE ALL KNOW THAT LIVE LOCAL IS IN FORCE. LIVE LOCAL IS PROBABLY BEEN IN THREE YEARS, AT LEAST THREE YEARS NOW. I KNOW IT'S BEEN UPDATED AT LEAST THREE TIMES SINCE THEN. AND IF YOU'RE NOT AWARE OR THE CITIZENS AREN'T AWARE, AT ONE POINT THEY COULDN'T AFFECT UNITS AT PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT ALREADY IN PLACE. OR THE LAST CHANGE I HEARD THAT THEY STRUCK THAT, AND NOW THEY CAN GO INTO AREAS THAT HAVE THE PUDS IN PLACE ALREADY. SO THAT WAS THE NEWEST UPDATE TO THAT. BUT LIKE I SAID, I HAVEN'T SEEN OR I THINK THERE'S MAYBE ONE REQUEST COMING DOWN THE PIKE, BUT IT DOES. IT DOES TAKES THE ABILITY FROM THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT TO MAKE A DECISION ON IF IT WORKS OR NOT, AS LONG AS IT MEETS THEIR LITMUS TEST OF THE LIVE LOCAL STATUTE, AND THEN IT BECOMES A BUY. RIGHT NOW, IT DOESN'T MEAN THEY DON'T HAVE TO STILL FOLLOW THE BUILDING CODES, THE THE SITE PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THAT'S STILL THE LOCAL RESPONSIBILITY TO ENFORCE THOSE THINGS. SO OKAY, SO YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT REGARDING THE CONVERSION OF COMMERCIAL TO RESIDENTIAL OR THE DENSITY BONUSES, HOW THOSE NUMBERS APPLY AND WHERE THEY APPLY, YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE STATE THE UP IN TALLAHASSEE WOULD PREEMPT YOU AND MAKE THE DECISIONS FOR YOU. WELL, NO, THE LIVE LOCAL IS STATUTE. THAT'S THE ELECTED OFFICIAL THAT CONTINUES TO EVOLVE THAT. 
          YEAH, THAT'S BEEN EVOLVING FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS. YEAH. BUT EVEN AS IT'S BEEN EVOLVING AND IT'S BEEN MAKING LIVE LOCAL, THE EASIEST WAY I CAN EXPLAIN IT, IT'S PROBABLY THE EASIEST, EASIEST WAY. IF SOMEBODY HAS THE ABILITY AND FINDS A PIECE OF COMMERCIAL PROPERTY LARGE ENOUGH TO BE ABLE TO USE THE FULL EFFECT OF LIVE LOCAL. BUT THE PROBLEM IS A LOT OF OUR PROPERTIES IN OUR URBAN AREAS, IF YOU TAKE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES, THEY'RE SMALL STRIP MALLS, STUFF LIKE THAT. THEY DON'T HAVE A DEEP FOOTPRINT. SO FOR THE LIVE LOCAL TO ACTUALLY BE EFFECTIVE AND HAVE THE OFFSETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, TO HAVE THE SITE PLAN WORK, 
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THEY'RE RESTRICTED. SO THERE'S THERE HASN'T BEEN A BIG APPETITE BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE HELD TO 40% OF THE UNITS HAVE TO BE AFFORDABLE. AND I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT NUMBER, BUT I THINK IT HAS TO BE AT A LOWER LEVEL, LIKE A 60 OR 80, WHICH THE MARKET LIKE YOU SAW, OUR STUDY SHOWED THE MARKET'S 80 TO 100 IS THE GREATEST NEED FOR COLLIER COUNTY. SO BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU HAVE TWO PEOPLE WORKING, THEY KIND OF PRICED THEIRSELF OUT OF THOSE LOWER UNITS. SO THEY CAN'T EVEN RENT THERE EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE AFFORDABLE, BECAUSE THEY DON'T FALL WITHIN THAT CATEGORY BECAUSE THEY MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY. BELIEVE IT OR NOT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A LOT OF MONEY. BUT THE REALITY IS, WHEN THEY PUT THEIR SALARIES TOGETHER, THEY CAN'T EVEN RENT THE APARTMENT BECAUSE IT'S SET AT A 50 TO 60% DOLLAR. WHATEVER THEY PRICE OUT. SO THAT THAT'S THE BIG THING. AND THEN LIKE OUR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND PEOPLE LIKE THAT, OUR TEACHERS AND THAT THEY PRETTY MUCH PRICE OUT TO I MEAN, THEY'RE MORE IN AROUND THE 80 PERCENTILE TO 100. SO THAT'S WHY WE SAW THAT TARGET AREA AS BEING A GREATER NEED FOR OUR COMMUNITY. MAYBE NOT THE REST OF FLORIDA, BUT OUR COMMUNITY. I THINK IT FITS. 
          BUT YEAH, IF SOMEBODY HAS THAT AND EVERYTHING ALIGNS, THERE'S NOTHING THE CITY, NOTHING THE COUNTY CAN DO TO STOP IT OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, THE YOU KNOW, THE SITE PLAN ITSELF DOESN'T WORK. BUT THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. WELL, YOU ANSWERED MY QUESTION ABOUT PDS AND WHETHER THEY'RE INCLUDED OR EXCLUDED. YEAH, BECAUSE I'D HEARD LAST TIME THAT YOU HAD EXCLUDED THEM. BUT NOW I GUESS YOU'RE PREEMPTED. YEAH, IT'S TOO BAD. IT'S A. YEAH, YEAH, THE COUNTY IS TRYING TO PROTECT OURSELVES MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE THE LANGUAGE WASN'T IN THERE THE FIRST TWO TIMES THEY VISITED IT AFTER THEY PASSED IT INITIALLY. BUT THIS THIRD GO AROUND THIS LAST SESSION, THEY ADDED PUDS TO CLEAR LANGUAGE THAT YOU CAN'T CONVERT A PUD NOW USING LIVE LOCAL. SO OKAY. AND THEN THIS CHART, JUST SO CAN YOU. TAKE ME THROUGH WHAT THIS MEANS WHERE IT SAYS SAY MEDIAN AND THEN THE FIRST COLUMN OF THREE. WHAT IS THAT. 
          WHAT WHAT DOES THAT MEAN THAT THEY GET 3% MORE. NO. SO IF YOU IF YOU TAKE SO YOU GOT YOUR YOUR LEFT SIDE OF THE CHART. SO THAT GIVES YOU YOUR INCOME VALUES. THEN THE TOP SHOWS PERCENTILES. SO LET'S SAY I'M GOING TO BUILD 100 UNITS. BUT I'M GOING TO ONLY HAVE 10% AT AN AFFORDABLE RATE. SO IF I MAKE LET'S JUST TAKE THE NEW CATEGORY. SO LET'S SAY I HAVE ONE ACRE, I HAVE 100 UNITS OR WHATEVER. I'M ALLOWED TO HAVE 100 UNITS. IF I'M GOING TO BUILD 10% OF THOSE UNITS, AND I'M GOING TO RENT THEM TO PEOPLE BETWEEN 80 AND 100 PERCENTILE, I GET AN EXTRA THREE UNITS ADDED ON TO THAT 100. SO IT'S LIKE A BONUS TO OR TO GET TO THAT NUMBER. SO LET'S SAY UP LIKE LET'S SAY LIVE LOCAL FOR INSTANCE ONE ACRE OF PROPERTY, LIVE LOCAL. YOU CAN PUT 25 UNITS ON THERE. I THINK THAT'S THE NUMBER THEY, THEY SET THE BAR AT IS 25 PER ONE ACRE. AS LONG AS 40% OF THEM MEET THE A CERTAIN INCOME LEVEL. 
          BUT OUR CHART NOW BASICALLY SAYS IF THIS IS OUTSIDE OF A LIVE LOCAL PROJECT, IF SOMEBODY'S COMING IN JUST ASKING TO CONVERT PROPERTY TO, YOU KNOW, TO RESIDENTIAL, THEN THE THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS HAVE PASSED THIS CHART SAYING, OKAY, THIS IS KIND OF WHERE YOU'RE AT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO SAY, LET'S SAY YOU'RE ALLOWED 16 OR 15 UNITS BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE ACREAGE YOU'RE USING, JUST IT MEETS THAT. IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND PUT THE 80 TO 100 INSTEAD OF 16, NOW YOU'RE ALLOWED 19 PER ACRE BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL THREE TO WHAT YOU'RE BY. RIGHT. SO THAT'S BASICALLY HOW HOW IT'S BROKEN DOWN. SO THESE ARE ADDITIONAL UNITS TO WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO IF YOU INCLUDE THESE. SO YOU HAVE 10% 20%, 30%. SO AS IT GOES UP YOU CAN SEE. AND WHICH IS WHICH IS UNIQUE IS THAT 50 TO 82. YOU NOTICE THAT WE INCREASED THOSE NUMBERS. SO IF YOU LOOK AT 40% OF THE UNITS SO THEY CAN GET TEN BONUS UNITS, IF THEY DO 40 AT EIGHT AT 50%. 
          OKAY. SO YEAH, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A SLIDING, YOU GOTTA GO OVER AND DOWN AND THEN FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU ALREADY HAVE THE RIGHT TO BUILD. THEN YOU CAN ADD THOSE UNITS PER ACRE. YEAH. 
          NO THAT'S A PERCENTAGE OF UNITS AT THAT PRICE POINT, THE TOP LINE. AND THEN IF YOU LOOK AT 100%, YOU CAN SEE THE NUMBERS ARE PRETTY HIGH. REGARDLESS WHERE YOU'RE AT IN PRICE POINT. 
          SO WELL. ALL RIGHT. WELL I KNOW THIS QUESTION WAS BROUGHT UP TO ME ABOUT CLAM PASS DREDGING. 
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CLAM PASS, THEIR BOARD THAT GOVERNS THE CARE AND CUSTODY OF THE WATERS OVER THERE THROUGH PELICAN BAY. THEY ARE IN A PROCESS OF PREPARING TO REAPPLY FOR A NEW PERMIT TO BE CONTINUED, JUST BASICALLY AN EXTENSION OF THE PERMIT. THEY ALREADY PERMANENT IN PLACE, BUT IT'S COMING UP NEXT YEAR. 26 IS A HARD TIME. THEY HAVE TO REAPPLY AND THEN IT'S GOOD FOR LIKE ANOTHER 15 YEARS OR WHATEVER THE YEARS IT'S SET FOR THAT PERMIT. SO WE'RE COMING UP AGAINST A HARD DATE TO GET EVERYTHING IN A LINE, TO GO AHEAD AND GO AHEAD AND GET THAT REQUEST FOR NEW PERMIT TO KEEP THAT PERMIT IN FORCE. I KNOW THAT, AND I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE BOARD OVER THERE AND AND THE REASON I GOT PRETTY INVOLVED IN IT THE PAST SIX MONTHS OR SEVEN MONTHS IS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I REPRESENT DISTRICT FOUR AND YOU GUYS REPRESENT THE CITY OF NAPLES, AND WE HAVE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE RIGHT ON THE SOUTH BORDER OF CLAM BAY. IN THE PAST THERE, AND THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE A VOICE BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIVE IN THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, AND I, I FELT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL MY CONSTITUENTS BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE CITY, YOU KNOW, I CAN DO WHAT I CAN FOR THEM. SO I'M TRYING TO BE THAT MOUTHPIECE BETWEEN. AND I'M ALL I'M AT. ACTUALLY, AT THIS POINT, I HAD A MEETING WITH THE CITY MANAGER, MR. YOUNG, HERE, ABOUT HAVING EITHER A CITY REPRESENTATIVE SITS IN ON THE MEETINGS AND PROBABLY 1 OR 2 RESIDENTS THAT LIVE ALONG THE WATER THAT ACTUALLY. AND I HAD TO TALK WITH MR. FOGG, WHO'S THE CHAIRMAN OF THE COMMITTEE UP THERE, AND HE AGREED TO IT. SO HOPEFULLY MOVING FORWARD, WE GET MORE EXPOSURE TO WHAT THE DECISIONS ARE GOING TO BE ON THAT WATERWAY, BECAUSE I FEEL IT INTERMINGLES WITH OUR CANALS IN THE CITY THAT ARE CONNECTED THROUGH THE OUTFALLS. SO I THINK IT'S JUST FOR EVERYBODY. 
          IT'S A BENEFIT TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME MORE EYES ON IT, MAYBE SOME MORE VOICES IN THE ROOM, NOT NECESSARILY HAVING SOMEBODY ON THE BOARD, BUT AT LEAST BEING ACTIVE PARTICIPANTS IN THE MEETING ITSELF. SO THAT'S ONE THING I'VE BEEN WORKING ON. AND WITH MR. YOUNG, WE HAD A MEETING THE OTHER DAY, REFERENCE TO IT AND JUST FINDING THE RIGHT PERSON TO REPRESENT CITY THAT HAS SOME KNOWLEDGE, WORKING KNOWLEDGE, AND THEN MOVING ON FROM THERE. 
          SO. I HAVE A QUESTION ON CLAM. YES, MA'AM. IT'S KIND OF A LONG. WELL THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER. 
          YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT CLAM PASS DREDGING. ONE OF THE THINGS. AND I'M JUST KIND OF CURIOUS OF YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF THIS AND WHAT THE COUNTY DOES. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO, AND I BELIEVE THE COUNTY DOES AS WELL, WE HAVE STORMWATER PIPES, OUTFALL PIPES AND PIPES USED FOR TRANSITING WATER FROM ONE BODY OF WATER TO ANOTHER. AND THESE PIPES GET CONTAMINATED. 
          THE EFFICIENCY THEY GET CLOSED OFF WITH CRUSTACEANS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THE EFFICIENCY OF MOVING WATER, IT CAN CAUSE WATER TO BACK UP, CAUSE FLOODING ISSUES AND SOME UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. DO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DO AT THE COUNTY LEVEL TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN, AND THAT YOU KEEP THESE PIPES WORKING EFFECTIVELY? WELL, WE HAVE YOU KNOW, WE HAVE MARSHALL WHO HEADS UP OUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT WITH A TEAM OF PEOPLE THAT GO OUT AND THEY'RE CONSTANTLY ON 24 OVER SEVEN, YOU KNOW, OPERATION OF GETTING AHEAD OF THESE PIPES, JETTING THESE PIPES, YOU KNOW, GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER BACK IN THE DAY THAT THERE WAS SOME PROBABLY TEN, 15 YEARS AGO, THEY WEREN'T AS AGGRESSIVE. AND I DON'T KNOW WHO WAS ACTUALLY RUNNING THESE THINGS. BUT WE HAD TIMES THAT WERE THE INTERSECTION OF US 41 AND AIRPORT ROAD WITH TWO FOOT OF WATER. AFTER HEAVY RAIN, YOU COME DOWN BY THE GOVERNMENT CENTER AND YOU'RE LIKE, YOU'RE DRIVING THROUGH A LAKE, AND YOU COME TO FIND OUT THAT OVER YEARS OF CONSTRUCTION, YEARS OF THIS, THAT PEOPLE WEREN'T TAKING THE PRECAUTIONS TO PUT UP SILT FENCING, THINGS LIKE THAT TO GET, YOU KNOW, DEBRIS, LOOSE DIRT AFTER STORMS, RUNNING INTO OUR STORMWATER SYSTEMS. AND THOSE PIPES ARE DIMINISHED. THE CAPACITY OF THOSE PIPES ARE REALLY DIMINISHED UNTIL THEY WENT IN AND JETTED ALL ALL THEM OUT, YOU KNOW, LATER ON AFTER THEY REALIZED THIS WAS GOING ON. BUT THEY HAVE A PRETTY GOOD HANDLE ON IT. I KNOW WE HAD A COUPLE BIG RAINS THESE LAST FEW WEEKS, YOU KNOW, AND ANYTIME WE HAVE THESE BIG RAINS, I FREAK OUT BECAUSE MY DISTRICT IS AGED, YOU KNOW, AND YOU GET DOWN TO THE LOWER ENDS OF BAYSHORE, YOU GUYS KNOW, AS YOU MOVE CLOSER WEST, THOSE OLDER STREETS HAVE BEEN THERE 60 SOME YEARS. THE 
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REST OF THE STREETS AREN'T THERE ANYMORE. THE CANAL THERE, THE YOU KNOW, THE SWELLS ARE UNDER THE CONDITION THEY WERE WHEN THEY WERE BUILT AT ONE POINT. YOU KNOW, WE ACTUALLY FARED PRETTY WELL. I WAS SURPRISED BECAUSE USUALLY WE DO SEE A LOT OF STANDING WATER IN THESE LAST COUPLE STORMS FROM THEIR MAINTENANCE AND THEIR WORK THEY'VE BEEN DOING. YOU KNOW, AND I KNOW WE'RE ENTERING INTO A FEW PARTNERSHIP PROJECTS HERE WITH THE CITY IN THAT GENERAL AREA TO TO GET SOME STORM WATER PROJECTS UNDERWAY. SO JUST A GOOD MAINTENANCE PROGRAM. I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. YEAH, BUT LISTEN, THEY'RE DESIGNED TO WORK, BUT IF THEY'RE NOT MAINTAINED, IT'S JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE. YOU DON'T CHANGE THE OIL IN YOUR CAR. GUESS WHAT? YOUR ENGINE IS GONNA QUIT RUNNING AT SOME POINT. YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO. THERE HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF STEADY MAINTENANCE PROGRAM ON ANYTHING. 
          INFRASTRUCTURE. THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. OKAY. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN, QUICK QUESTION ABOUT MICROTRANSIT. MOST OF THE MICROTRANSIT THAT I SEE, AND I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO REFER TO GOODLETTE-FRANK BECAUSE I HAPPEN TO USE THAT QUITE A BIT AS WELL AS PINE RIDGE. MOST OF MICROTRANSIT IS ON ARE ON THE SIDEWALKS. WAS DOES THAT COMPORT WITH THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU WROTE? YOU TALKING ABOUT BICYCLE PEDAL CYCLE AND ELECTRIC BIKE? YES. YES IT DOES. SO YEAH. OKAY. YEAH YOU CAN. WELL IF IT'S A CLASS TO READ INTO THE ORDINANCE THAT I, THAT WE PASSED. YEAH. IF IT'S A CLASS THREE OR HIGHER THEY ARE NOT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE ON A SIDEWALK. AND IF YOU KNOW AND THAT'S THE THING YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE CLASSES OF ELECTRIC BIKES. YOU HAVE A ONE AND A TWO. A TWO WON'T GO OVER LIKE 20MPH, BUT A THREE HAS THE CAPABILITY TO GO OVER UP TO 28, 30MPH ONLY. AND IN THE ORDINANCE, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN IS THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN OPERATE A CLASS THREE ELECTRIC E-BIKE ON A SIDEWALK IN COLLIER COUNTY IS IF YOU'RE ACCOMPANYING MINOR CHILDREN. SO IF YOU HAVE CHILDREN WITH YOU THAT ARE ON BIKES WITH TRAINING WHEELS AND THAT AND YOU WANT TO RIDE YOUR BIKE, YOU CAN BE ON THE SIDEWALK WITH THEM BECAUSE JUST BEING A RESPONSIBLE ADULT. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, IF YOU USE IT FOR TRANSIT, IF THERE'S A DESIGNATED BIKE LANE, YOU MUST USE A DESIGNATED BIKE LANE FOR A CLASS THREE OR ABOVE. IF YOU'RE 16 YEARS OLD, OR I'LL PAY MORE ATTENTION TO THAT AND KEEP YOU APPRIZED. YEAH. OKAY. 
          GREAT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. OKAY. OH, THERE WAS A QUESTION REFERENCED TO. A PROJECT, A NEW PROJECT BEING APPROVED IN THE AREA ON THE PHASE OF DAVIS BOULEVARD AREA, OR 41 AREA THAT WAS WE DISCUSSED THAT ON FRIDAY. THE ONLY REASON THAT I MENTIONED THAT IS I KNOW IT'S BEEN AN EXISTING MARINA. IT'S JUST BEING REDEVELOPED, BUT WITH CAUTION. THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THAT WHOLE ENTIRE AREA, FROM THE TRIANGLE ON DAVIS TO AIRPORT, WE NEED TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, YES, WE HAVE WATER. WE NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL. AND WE'RE REALLY ANALYZING OUR INFRASTRUCTURE, THE UPGRADING OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE AS THESE PROPERTIES START TO DEVELOP, BECAUSE WE NEED TO BE MORE IN PARTNERSHIP WITH THAT. YEAH, I MEAN, THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT, I KNOW THAT THAT'S THE EXISTING. THERE'S TWO BUILDINGS THERE, THE PAWNSHOP AND SOME OTHER BUILDING. AND IF YOU REMEMBER CORRECTLY, IF YOU'VE BEEN AROUND AS LONG AS I HAVE, THERE USED TO BE A COVERED MARINA THERE. IT HAD ABOUT 100 BOAT SLIPS AT ONE POINT I THINK IT WAS HURRICANE IRMA THAT THAT WIPED OUT THE, THE, THE, THE COVERING. IT DESTROYED IT. AND THEN THE DEVELOPER OR THE OWNER AT THE TIME DECIDED TO RIP THE REST OF THE SUPERSTRUCTURE DOWN AND JUST LEFT IT OPEN. SO THIS PROJECT REFERRING TO IS GOING TO SIT ON THAT FOOTPRINT. AND AND ACTUALLY IT'S A BY RIGHT PROJECT OTHER THAN THEY NEED A VARIANCE FOR THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS BECAUSE ON THEIR PATIOS OR THEIR, THEIR PORCHES ON THE RESIDENTIAL SIDE ARE GOING TO EXTEND. SO THERE'S AN IMAGINARY LINE ON THE WATER LINE OVER THE CANAL. SO IN REALITY, IN BUILDING CODE, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE EVERYTHING EXTEND OUT INTO THE WATER. IT'S NOT LIKE A DOCK OR SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY APPROVED. SO THEIR FOOTPRINT OF THEIR PORCH OR BALCONY, LET'S SAY, WOULD BE ABOUT A FOOT OR TWO FOOT OVER THAT IMAGINARY LINE. SO THAT'S WHY THEY'RE ASKING FOR THE VARIANCE. BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL STRUCTURE OR SIZE OF THE UNIT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          IT'S THE VARIANCE OF THE OVERHANG. IS THAT A DEVELOPMENT AREA THAT'S LOT LINED A LOT LINE OR WHAT ARE THE SETBACKS. DO YOU KNOW. NO, IT'S IT'S PRETTY. IT'S IF YOU LOOK AT THAT PARTICULAR AREA I DON'T HAVE A SLIDE ON IT, BUT IT'S JUST COULD BE LIKE AN L SHAPE AND IT'S JUST GOING TO FOLLOW THE WATER LINE. AND PRETTY MUCH THE FOOTPRINT IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE WHAT'S ALREADY THERE WITH THE BUILDINGS. IT'LL COME FORWARD A LITTLE BIT MORE TOWARDS DAVIS, BUT IT'S GOING TO MORE OR LESS LIE RIGHT ON THE WATER LINE. FOLLOWING THAT 
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ORIGINAL OLD MARINA. RIGHT. WHICH THAT IS, THAT IS BASICALLY THAT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY, THAT WATER, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, IN 1960S SOMEBODY TOOK IT ON THEIR OWN THAT DREDGED THAT FROM ROCK CREEK. THEY BUILT THAT CANAL THAT WAS NEVER AN EXISTING CANAL. THAT WAS NOT THAT'S NOT A NATURAL CANAL THAT WAS ADDED. THAT WAS ACTUALLY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY BECAUSE WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH ONE OF THE DOCKS THERE, BECAUSE THE INDIVIDUALS, IT WAS BASICALLY WHEN THEY BUILT THE NEW DOCK FOR THE FOR THE BOAT RENTAL PLACE WHEN THEY WENT BACK. AFTER ALL THESE YEARS, IT'S BEEN A MARINA AS LONG AS I CAN REMEMBER. ONE OF THE DOCKS WAS SITTING ON A RESIDENTIAL LOT UNDERWATER, SO IT STILL EXISTED UNDERWATER, THE RESIDENTIAL LOT. THEY HAD TO COME TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS. WE HAD TO TURN THAT LOT TO COMMERCIAL FROM RESIDENTIAL, EVEN THOUGH IT WAS UNDERWATER INSIDE THE THE MAN MADE CANAL. BUT THERE WAS JUST NOBODY CAUGHT IT FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS. BUT SO THAT'S JUST BASICALLY WHAT YOU KNOW, THESE YOU GUYS KNOW, THESE THINGS POP UP AND YOU JUST SCRATCH YOUR HEAD SOMETIMES. YES. I'M GLAD YOU SAID YEAH, THAT'S A MAN MADE CANAL. SO IF ANYTHING IT MIGHT HELP FORCE THEM TO MAINTAIN IT. BETTER TEST IT. I KNOW ABOUT TEN YEARS AGO THEY TESTED IT FOR MERCURY AND SOME OTHER THINGS. WHEN THEY WERE DOING THE OUTFALL PROJECT FROM THE NEW FROM THE SAID POND ON LINWOOD. SO SINCE WE'RE ON THAT, JUST BRIEFLY, JUST SO THAT YOU'RE INFORMED ABOUT SOME OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THE COMMONS THEY'RE DEVELOPING A CONDOS WITH A MARINA OR WITH BOAT DOCKS, I SHOULD SAY, NOT A MARINA. AND THEN WE'VE HAD INQUIRIES BY THE EAST NAPLES OR RIVER PARK NEIGHBORHOOD TO DREDGE THEIR BEHIND THEIR HOMES. 
          AND THAT CANAL, I BELIEVE THAT'S A PARTNERSHIP THAT WILL HAVE TO LOOK AT, BECAUSE THAT'S RIGHT INTO THE RIVER. YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT IN THE GORDON. RIGHT. SO JUST HEADS UP. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY DO YOU KNOW, MADAM MAYOR, DO YOU KNOW, ARE THEY REQUESTING IT THROUGH A NAVIGATIONAL DREDGE OR ECOLOGICAL OR ENVIRONMENTAL? WE CAN DISCUSS THAT LATER. BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT ON YOUR RADAR AND WE'LL HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH IT. THANK YOU FOR. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I TOUCHED ON EVERYTHING THAT YOU ASKED ME HERE. AND IF YOU GUYS HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, JUST GO AHEAD AND SHOOT RAPID FIRE. THE COURAGE YOU HAVE COUNCIL. ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMISSIONER KOWAL. THERE WE GO. ON ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT. YOU JUST SPOKE ABOUT THE DAVIS TRIANGLE AND THE MARRIOTT. 
          YEAH. IS IT TRUE THAT YOU ARE EXPANDING THE LAKE ON THE OTHER SIDE TO TAKE MORE STORM WATER? YEAH, ABOUT SIX MONTHS AGO WE APPROVED THE PURCHASE. WELL, WE HAD THERE WAS TWO EMPTY LOTS ON LINWOOD AND THEN THERE WAS ONE LIKE A DUPLEX. AND WE APPROACHED THE THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO PURCHASE THEM. BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT LINWOOD AND WHERE THE LAKE SITS, WE ALREADY OWN ABOUT TWO AND A HALF ACRES ON THE ON THE I GUESS IT'D BE THE SOUTH SIDE OF LINWOOD, BUT WE DIDN'T OWN THE OTHER SIDE OF THE AREA ABOVE IT, SO WE PURCHASED THOSE. IN THE PROCESS OF THAT HAPPENING. PRETTY MUCH A DONE DEAL. WE'RE. THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE THE DUPLEX ARE GOING TO RELOCATE. THEY FOUND A PLACE TO RELOCATE, BUT I BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO TAKE POSSESSION OF THAT. AND THEN ULTIMATELY WHEN THEY PUT THE PUMPING SYSTEM IN AND ALL THE PIPES IN THAT, IT WAS OVERDESIGNED TO ACTUALLY HAVE A BIGGER FOOTPRINT. SO IT'S GOING TO BE JUST BUILDING A BIGGER POND. NOT SO MUCH. THE INFRASTRUCTURE UPON ITSELF DOESN'T NEED TO BE UPGRADED BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY DESIGNED TO BE LARGER THAN WHAT IT IS NOW. AND THE WHOLE CONCEPT BEHIND IT IS TO TAKE MORE OF THAT WATER IN EVENTS, YOU KNOW, THESE 30 YEAR STORMS, THESE 100 YEAR STORMS, STUFF LIKE THAT, WHEN, WHEN THEY DO OCCUR. AND TO HAVE A MORE CAPACITY IN THAT POND TO RETAIN THE WATER. RIGHT. AND IS THAT TAKING THE WATER FROM WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON THE SCREEN, THE, THE THE DAVIS TRIANGLE, DOES THAT WATER FLOW? BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE. ONCE THIS IS BUILT OUT, THAT WOULD BE THE PLACE THAT THAT WATER GOES. YEAH. THAT PARTICULAR THE PROJECTS THERE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW THOSE WHEN THEY GOT THEIR PERMITTING FROM STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AND THEY GOT THEIR APPROVALS, THEY WERE PUT IN DESIGN. THEY HAD TO HAVE RETENTION ON PROPERTY. SO UNDERGROUND YOU DON'T SEE IT, BUT THEY HAVE GIANT, YOU KNOW, MULTI-MILLION GALLON RETENTION CONTAINERS UNDERGROUND THAT HOLDS THEIR WATER TO A CERTAIN CAPACITY WHEN IT REACHES A CERTAIN CAPACITY AFTER THE SILT IS SETTLED AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THEN IT'S PUMPED OUT THROUGH A 
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PIPE UNDERGROUND INTO THAT POND. YES. SO YOU'VE GOT PUMPS THAT IT'S NOT JUST GRAVITY FED? NO. 
          OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU, VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER KOWAL. I THOUGHT MAYBE THIS QUESTION HAD REACHED YOU, BUT PERHAPS NOT. I WANT TO USUALLY I'LL JUST ASK THE QUESTION DIRECTLY AND NOT HAVE TO HAVE A PARAGRAPH OR TWO OF SETTING THE TABLE FOR IT. BUT IN LIGHT OF THIS ONE, I WANT TO JUST SAY A FEW THINGS HERE. FROM 2020 THROUGH 2025 AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH 25 NOW, COLLIER COUNTY HAS EXPERIENCED SIGNIFICANT INCREASES IN TAXABLE PROPERTY VALUES. THE TAX RATE ITSELF HAS BEEN STABLE WITH THE AMOUNT HOMEOWNERS PAY IN TAXES INCREASING DUE TO THE IMPROVING VALUE OF THEIR PROPERTY, SIMILAR TO COLLIER COUNTY, IN THE WAY IN WHICH PROPERTY TAXES ARE USED TO PROVIDE ESSENTIAL SERVICES. THE CITY OF NAPLES MIRRORS MAINTAINING AND IMPROVING MANY OF THE SAME ESSENTIAL SERVICES, WITH THE PORTION OF PROPERTY TAXES WE RECEIVE. THE GOVERNOR HAS MENTIONED PROPOSING A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT AND A TASK FORCE TO ADDRESS ELIMINATION OF PROPERTY TAXES. 
          SIMILARLY, DURING THE 2025 LEGISLATIVE SESSION, A PROPOSED TAX PACKAGE, A PROPOSED TAX PACKAGE, AND MAJOR PROPERTY TAX REFORMS DID NOT PASS. REGARDLESS, EFFORTS TO SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCE THE USE OF PROPERTY TAXES TO FUND POLICE, FIRE, AND OTHER ESSENTIAL SERVICES WILL BE BACK BEFORE REPRESENTATIVES IN TALLAHASSEE. NOW THE QUESTIONS WHAT ARE YOUR CONCERNS RELATED TO THE RISK OF REDUCED PROPERTY TAX FUNDING FOR COLLIER COUNTY AND THE CITY OF NAPLES, AND THE NEGATIVE IMPACT IT WOULD HAVE ON POLICE, FIRE AND OTHER ESSENTIAL SERVICES? DO YOU HAVE A CONCERN IF THESE PROPERTY TAXES ARE REDUCED OR GO AWAY? DO YOU HAVE ANY CONCERNS WITH FUNDING THINGS LIKE POLICE, FIRE AND OTHER ESSENTIAL SERVICES, OR DO YOU HAVE A FIX FOR THAT? WELL, THERE'S NO MAGIC PILL TO FIX ANYTHING RIGHT NOW, BUT THE REALITY IS, I'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION A FEW TIMES WHEN THIS CAME UP, AND EVEN IN TALLAHASSEE WHEN I WAS UP THERE THIS PAST JANUARY, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT HISTORY AND I LOOK AT THE WAY HOW OUR FOUNDERS DEVELOP, YOU KNOW, AND HOW EVEN FLORIDA, WITH THE CONSTITUTION, THE WAY IT'S SET UP AND ESPECIALLY FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENT, LOCAL GOVERNMENT, YOU HAVE TO PROJECT, YOU KNOW, OVER THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE PROJECTED, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WE GAVE THE CITIZENS OF COLLIER COUNTY A BREAK. WE LOWERED THEIR TAXES TWO YEARS IN A ROW. WE ROLLED IT BACK. BUT THAT'S JUST BECAUSE WE REALIZED THAT WE GAINED 8% IN VALUE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. AND IT GAVE US THE ABILITY TO DO THAT. BUT ONE THING IS A CONSTANT IS PROPERTY. 
          WE KNOW THE THE FOOTPRINT OF PLANET EARTH IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE. YOU KNOW, WHATEVER YOU CAN LIVE ON HIGH GROUND IS NOT GOING TO CHANGE MUCH. NOW. YOU'LL DEVELOP IT, YOU'LL DO DIFFERENT THINGS TO IT. BUT IT'S PRETTY MUCH AN EQUATION IS THERE? WE KNOW EXACTLY HOW MANY SQUARE FOOT OF COLLIER COUNTY EXISTS. THAT'S HIGH GROUND, AND THAT GIVES US THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROJECT FORWARD IN THE FUTURE BY TAXING. AND THAT'S THE WAY YOUR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WERE SET UP. SO YOU HAD A CONSTANT TO ALWAYS BACK CHECK YOURSELF ON WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO NEED IN THE FUTURE AND WHAT'S THERE THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY COLLECT. SO IT GIVES YOU A ROUNDABOUT FIGURE WHERE YOU'RE AT MOVING FORWARD. AND LIKE YOU SAID, EVEN WITH THE TAXES WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IN COLLIER COUNTY, THE THE TAX, THE PROPERTY TAX, WE BRING IN ABOUT 700 MILLION PLUS MAYBE. AND I KNOW WE THE SHERIFF ITSELF IS CLOSE TO 300 MILLION. 
          SO THINK ABOUT THAT. WE YOU KNOW, WE THAT'S JUST PUBLIC SAFETY ITSELF HAS COME OUT OF THAT FUNDING. AND A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND IT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT THING. OR, YOU KNOW, THESE VISIONS OF SUGAR PLUMS DANCING AROUND THAT. NO, NO PROPERTY TAX. BUT REALITY IS THAT YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT UP SOMEWHERE ELSE. YEAH. AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE POLICE OFFICERS SHOW UP YOUR HOUSE WITH A CHARGE CARD MACHINE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE SERVICE, YOU KNOW, HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR IT? YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THINGS THAT WE NEED TO REALLY, YOU KNOW, WRAP OUR HEAD AROUND, YOU KNOW, OTHER THINGS ARE BROUGHT IN BECAUSE WE DO PROVIDE A SERVICE. YOU KNOW, WE CHARGE SERVICE FOR GARBAGE PICKUP, YOU KNOW, WATER BILLS, THINGS LIKE THAT. THOSE ARE BACKED BY SERVICE, YOU KNOW, BILLING, YOU KNOW, THROUGH SERVICES AND THOSE PAY FOR THEIRSELVES THAT WAY. BUT REALITY IS AND THIS IS YOU CAN 
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SAY TOURISM CAN JUST KEEP RAISING MONEY ON THE TOURISTS TO COME HERE AND BED TAX. BUT THIS IS THE PROBLEM I HAVE WITH THAT. WE HAVE 67 COUNTIES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. WE HAVE A LOT OF COUNTIES THAT ARE AREN'T VERY WELL OFF. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY TOURISM, THEY DON'T HAVE BEACHES, THEY DON'T HAVE DISNEY WORLD, THEY DON'T HAVE THEY BARELY MAKE JUST THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY TAX, THE AMOUNT THEY PAY, THEIR SHERIFFS, THEIR POLICE DEPARTMENTS, THEIR FIRE DEPARTMENTS ON A YEARLY BASIS. THEY SCRAPE THE NUMBERS TO GET IT DONE. WHAT I'M SCARED OF IS THAT THE STATE WOULD THEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO DOLE OUT, DIVVY OUT THESE PROCEEDS BECAUSE THEY CONTROL WHAT WE CAN CHARGE OR CAN'T CHARGE. YOU KNOW, WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO CERTAIN THINGS. 
          SO A COMMUNITY LIKE US THAT HAS THAT LUXURY TO MAKE A LOT OF EXTRA MONEY THROUGH TOURISM AND THINGS LIKE THAT, WOULD THEN THE STATE SAY, ALL RIGHT, YOU HAVE TO PUT IT ALL IN ONE POT, AND WE'RE GOING TO DIVIDE IT UP NOW BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER COUNTY CAN'T PAY FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT THIS YEAR. SO ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR THAT? I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA, AND I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE A BURDEN ON THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SUCCESSFUL IN WHAT THEY DO. RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT RUN YOUR COUNTIES AND YOUR CITIES THAT CAN DO IT AND STAY WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES AND NOT OVERTAX THEIR CITIZENS, BECAUSE IN REALITY IS IF YOU TAKE WHAT WE PAY TAXES AND COLLIER COUNTY, COMPARED TO THE OTHER 67 COUNTIES, THE SERVICE WE PROVIDE IS MUCH, MUCH HIGHER. LOOK AT THE PARKS, THE STREETS, THE LANDSCAPING, THE SERVICE YOU GET THROUGH, FIRE, POLICE, EMS. IT'S TOP NOTCH, SOME OF THE BEST IN THE COUNTRY. YEAH, WE HAVE SOME OF THE LOWEST TAXES TOO. SO WHY IS THAT? MAYBE BECAUSE WE'RE DOING IT RIGHT IN REALITY IS WE'RE NOT GOING TO BAIL OUT OTHER PEOPLE BECAUSE THEY CAN'T DO THEIR JOB. 
          AND THAT'S THE SAD PART. SO THAT'S MY OPINION. WELL, THANK YOU FOR THAT. AND I HOPE THAT I HOPE THAT TALLAHASSEE RETHINKS THEIR APPROACH TO THIS, BECAUSE QUITE HONESTLY, I THINK YOU SAID THE SAME THING, THAT HAVING A REDUCTION IN TAXES IS KIND OF HOW I'M WIRED. I LIKE THAT, RIGHT. REDUCING TAXES, BUT NOT HAVING A CLEAR PATH TO IF WE'RE IN THIS COMMUNITY. AND I THINK COLLIER COUNTY AS WELL, WHEN THE REST OF THE COUNTRY WAS TALKING ABOUT DEFUNDING THE POLICE, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN HERE, RIGHT? WE WENT THE WE WENT A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. BUT THIS, IF IT CONTINUES ON THIS PATH, IS ESSENTIALLY DOING THAT VERY THING, DEFUNDING ESSENTIAL SERVICES. SO I HOPE THAT IF THIS MOMENTUM PICKS UP, THAT THE COLLIER COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WILL WORK WITH US IN LOBBYING AND TALKING TO OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES AND THE GOVERNOR TO MAINTAIN WHAT SO THK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. I'LL JUST TAG ON TO WHAT VICE MAYOR SAID ABOUT TAXES. YOU KNOW, I WAS LOOKING AT MY TAX BILL, AND I PAID 10,000 ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY TO THE COUNTY, BUT I ONLY PAY 3000 TO THE CITY, AND THE CITY PAYS FOR OUR POLICE AND FIRE WITHOUT HAVING SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS AND DISTRICTS. SO I HOPE THAT WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE TDC AND THANK YOU, BY THE WAY, FOR THE SUPPORT ON THE PIER, BECAUSE THAT WAS NEEDED AND WE NEED TO CONTINUE THAT FUNDING TO MAKE SURE THAT WITH THE AMOUNT OF TOURISTS THAT ARE COMING TO OUR COMMUNITY AND THE IMPACT THAT WE HAVE ON OUR BEACHES AND OUR ROADS, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO CONTINUE WITH OUR LOW MILLAGE RATE AND STILL BE ABLE TO PAVE OUR STREETS AND AND TAKE CARE OF THE IMPACT OF TOURISTS. THE TDC. THIS IS A QUESTION. DID THEY DECIDE OR DID THE COMMISSIONERS DECIDE TO INCREASE THE TDC, THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT COUNCIL'S ADVERTISING BUDGET? WE WELL, BY STATUTE, WE CAN'T JUST INCREASE IT THAT PERCENTAGE. IT'S LIKE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $0.01 INCREASE OVERALL FOR THE BED TAX FOR THE TDC. ALL WE DID WAS APPROVE IT TO GO TO A BALLOT IN NOVEMBER. THE PEOPLE WILL MAKE THAT DECISION. THE CITIZENS WILL VOTE ON IF THEY WANT TO INCREASE IT TO $0.01, WHICH PUT US IN LINE PRETTY MUCH WITH SARASOTA COUNTY OR SARASOTA COUNTY WEST PALM. HILLSBOROUGH. 
          THEY'RE ALL RIGHT AROUND SEVEN $0.07 PER DOLLAR ON THEIR BED TAX. WE'RE WE'RE A PENNY LESS. 
          WE'RE AT SIX, I BELIEVE. SO IT'S IT WOULD JUST YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO THE CITIZENS. I MEAN WE DIDN'T HAVE WE DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO TO CHANGE IT. BUT IF IT THEY VOTE IN NOVEMBER AND THAT'S WHAT THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE, THEN WE'LL ADD THAT $0.01 AND IT WILL GO BASICALLY FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS IT WAS BROUGHT ON BECAUSE THERE'S SOME PROJECTS THAT THEY STILL 
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WANT TO COMPLETE, LIKE THE PARADISE SPORTS PARK, SOME CERTAIN, YOU KNOW, FACILITIES THAT HAVE A TOURISM ATTRACTION TO IT, THAT WE BROUGHT TOURNAMENTS FROM PEOPLE FROM ALL OVER THE COUNTRY. I WENT TO THE FOOTBALL TOURNAMENT, THE ONE ABOUT FOUR MONTHS AGO. WE HAD TEAMS FROM SEATTLE, WASHINGTON PLAYING. I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S A PRETTY THAT'S ONE POINT TO THE OTHER COMING HERE TO PLAY BALL, YOU KNOW, IN OUR FACILITY. SO IT DOES BRING SOME, YOU KNOW, SOME MONEY TO THE COMMUNITY WHEN THESE THESE PROJECTS OR THESE GROUPS COME TO PARTICIPATE HERE IN OUR OUR PARK. BUT FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, ONLY 75% OF THAT RAISED OUT OF THAT $0.01 CAN GO TO ACTUAL STRUCTURAL THINGS. 
          AND THE OTHER 25 THE DIVVIED UP THROUGH ADVERTISING AND OTHER MEANS, I BELIEVE TO FOR TOURISM. 
          SO IF IT PASSES, THERE'S OUR NEXT CONVERSATION AS YOUR WILLINGNESS TO CONTINUE TO COME AND SHARE WHAT'S HAPPENING IN THE COUNTY, I THINK IN OUR GOVERNMENTAL COMMUNICATIONS ARE KEY. THERE IS SOMETHING I SPOKE WITH MR. YOUNG ABOUT ON THE AGENDA WITH OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND OUR RADIOS AND COMMUNICATIONS. YOU KNOW, WE FOLLOWED THE SHERIFF AND WENT WITH MOTOROLA, AND NOW WE HAVE THE SCHOOLS GOING WITH A DIFFERENT I THINK IT'S HARRIS OR SOMETHING. THAT'S I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO ENCOURAGE THAT. OUR CITY MANAGER AND THE COUNTY MANAGER AND THE SCHOOL SUPERINTENDENT THAT WE AND REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE ELECTED OFFICIALS MEET AT LEAST ONCE A YEAR TO TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE THIS IN THE BUDGET AND SO THAT WE'RE NOT OVERLAPPING OR CAUSING ANY KIND OF CONFLICTS WITHIN OUR EQUIPMENT. SO, YEAH, I'LL GIVE YOU JUST A QUICK BREAKDOWN IF WE GOT A MINUTE. YOU HAVE A MINUTE. RIGHT. I'M GOOD. MY NEXT MEETING UNTIL 11, I THINK. BUT BASICALLY, IN A NUTSHELL, OUR WHOLE OUR WHOLE PUBLIC SAFETY RADIO COMM SYSTEM HAS BEEN HARRIS FOR SOME TIME NOW. 
          SO IT IS THE HARRIS SYSTEM IT WE'VE BEEN OPERATING ON. I WANT TO SAY THERE'S LIKE 37 CHANNELS BETWEEN FIRE, EMS, POLICE, SHERIFF. THE SCHOOL, THE SCHOOL BUSSES, YOU KNOW, THESE AND THE SCHOOLS WITHIN THEIR OWN COMM. SO WE'VE BEEN SHARING THAT FOR SOME TIME NOW. SO THE HARRIS IS IN PLACE. SO THE SCHOOLS WENT ON THEIR OWN ABOUT A YEAR AGO, VOTED TO SPEND ANOTHER $14 MILLION TO UPGRADE THEIR SYSTEM WITHIN THE SCHOOL IN THE HARRIS SYSTEM, WHICH WHICH USES THOSE CHANNELS THAT ARE COUNTYWIDE. SO WHAT CAME DOWN WAS WE STARTED LOOKING FOR TO EXPAND SOMETHING IN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS WHERE WHEN WE DO HAVE A HURRICANE, BECAUSE WE EXPERIENCED SOME ISSUES WITH THE HARRIS DURING THE LAST HURRICANE WHERE SOME OF THE TOWERS LOST POWER, THE GENERATORS DIDN'T KICK ON AND WE DIDN'T HAVE A REDUNDANT SYSTEM. SO THERE WAS A BREAK. SO PEOPLE HAD TO GO TO DIRECT TALK, THINGS LIKE THAT, WHICH IS NOT AS EFFICIENT, ESPECIALLY DURING A STORM THEN, BECAUSE THE SYSTEM ITSELF DIDN'T BACK OR BYPASS THAT PARTICULAR TOWER JUST THE WAY IT WAS SET UP. SO STARTED LOOKING AT OTHER OPTIONS, DID A STUDY WELL, MOTOROLA CAME IN WITH THE SYSTEM THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, AND I THINK WHAT IT'S GOING TO COME DOWN TO, I CAN'T SAY FOR SURE, BUT WHAT IT'S LOOKING LIKE IS THAT THE 37 CHANNELS THAT HARRIS IN THE SYSTEM THAT'S IN PLACE ALREADY WILL BE DESIGNATED TO NONESSENTIAL PUBLIC WORKS. AND ALL THE SCHOOLS, THEY'LL KEEP THAT SYSTEM, THEY'LL KEEP THEIR UPGRADES. THEY DID. THEY SPENT THE MONEY ON. AND THEN ALL PUBLIC SAFETY ESSENTIAL PERSONNEL ON A DAILY BASIS WILL OPERATE OFF OF MOTOROLA SYSTEM, WHICH WILL BE MORE REDUNDANT SYSTEM, WHICH HAS A THREE WAY COMM SYSTEM, WHICH MOST OF OUR PUBLIC SAFETY ALREADY WENT THROUGH. THE MOTOROLA MOBILES AND HANDHELDS, THEY'RE ALREADY UP. THEY'RE ALREADY USING MOTOROLA. SO INSTEAD OF NOW, THE ACTUAL RADIO SYSTEM ITSELF WILL BE MOTOROLA THAT THEY'LL OPERATE ON. AND WHAT'S NICE ABOUT THE SYSTEM, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, IS, LIKE, WE'VE ALWAYS HAD ISSUES WHEN THEY GO IN THE SCHOOLS, LET'S SAY THERE'S AN INCIDENT IN THE SCHOOL LIKE A SHOOTER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. COMMS IN THE SCHOOLS WERE TOUGH. WE'RE AT A MOTOROLA SYSTEM SAYS THEY USE THREE WAYS THEY CAN USE WI-FI, MICROWAVE AND DIRECT TALK OR COMM THROUGH REGULAR CHANNEL. SO WHICH IS A FLIP OF A SWITCH. SO WHEN OUR GUYS GO INTO AN ENVIRONMENT LIKE THAT, THE RADIOS ARE AUTOMATICALLY SEEK OUT THE BEST SIGNAL. SO THESE TYPE OF THINGS ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE IMPORTANT. AND WHEN WE DO HAVE A HURRICANE AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THEN OUR STORM WATER MANAGEMENT GUYS, 
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OUR ROAD GUYS, YOU KNOW, OUR TRAFFIC PEOPLE THAT NEED TO BE ESSENTIAL AT THAT POINT, IT'S A FLIP OF A SWITCH. THEY GO OVER NOW, THEY'RE ESSENTIAL. SO IT'S IT'S A LOT TO IT. BUT IN REALITY, IF THE SCHOOLS PROBABLY DIDN'T SPEND THE $14 MILLION ALREADY, WE MAY HAVE BEEN LOOKING AT IT DIFFERENTLY. BUT I THINK SINCE THEY DID THAT, WE'RE GOING TO HELP THEM OUT BY GIVING THEM A BUNCH OF FREE NEW CHANNELS, HAVING A SYSTEM DEDICATED HERSELF, BUT ON A NON-ESSENTIAL COUNTY WORKERS, SO THEY'LL HAVE THEIR OWN SYSTEM, AND THEN PUBLIC SAFETY WILL BE ON THEIR OWN SYSTEM NOW INSTEAD OF SHARING THE 37 CHANNELS. SO I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO BE THE OUTCOME, BECAUSE I'VE GOT A LOT OF LETTERS FROM MARCO PD. MARCO, FIRE, YOUR OWN CHIEF FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WAS IN SUPPORT, YOU KNOW, I THINK GOT A LOT OF LETTERS. AND THEN I THINK THE FINAL PIECE OF THE PUZZLE, THE SHERIFF'S BEING INVITED. 
          OFFICIALLY INVITED WITH HIS COMM PEOPLE TO GIVE US THEIR OPINION AT THE NEXT MEETING. SO I THINK AFTER THAT'S DONE, THEN WE'LL WE'LL MAKE A DECISION. GREAT. THANK YOU. AS ALWAYS, WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO SHARE YOUR AND YOUR COMMUNICATIONS AND LISTEN TO US MOST IMPORTANTLY, BECAUSE YOU SAY IT CLEARLY, THEY ARE YOUR CONSTITUENTS AND THEY'RE OUR CONSTITUENTS. AND SO I RESPECT THAT AND APPRECIATE THAT. WE ALL DO. AND YOU'RE VERY GRACIOUS WITH YOUR TIME. SO THANK YOU, SIR. YOU'RE VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE. THANK YOU GUYS. 
          OKAY. THAT AGAIN. THANK YOU, COMMISSIONER CALDWELL, FOR YOUR UPDATE. WHAT TAKES US TO 4D. 
          AND THAT'S THE MR. ROSANSKI. IT'S THE ANNUAL BUDGET PRESENTATION. GOOD MORNING. 
          [4.D. City of Naples Airport Authority Fiscal Year 2026 Draft Operating and Capital Expenditures Budget Presentation.]
GOOD MORNING MAYOR. GOOD MORNING. COUNCIL LYNN WIGGINS ASSISTANT DIRECTOR OF FINANCE AND ADMINISTRATION AT THE NAPLES AIRPORT. THANK YOU FOR PUTTING US EARLY ON THE AGENDA AS WELL. WE HAVE COME TODAY TO TALK ABOUT OUR FISCAL YEAR 2026 BUDGET AND CAPITAL PLAN. THIS WAS PRESENTED TO OUR BOARD AT THE AUGUST MEETING. WE'VE ALREADY HAD THE PACKET, SO I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH SOME OF THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT ARE IN HERE. AS WE ALL KNOW, THE NAPLES AIRPORT IS USER FUNDED. WE DO NOT TAKE TAXPAYER DOLLARS. AND WE HAVE HISTORICALLY RECEIVED ON AVERAGE, ABOUT 2 TO 3 MILLION IN AVIATION GRANTS FROM THE FEDERAL AND THE STATE. 
          NAPLES IS A TOP DESTINATION IN THE UNITED STATES, AND AS PROPERTY VALUES IN NAPLES HAS INCREASED THROUGH THE YEARS, SO HAS OUR AVIATION FUEL SALES AND OUR GALLONS SOLD. I DO WANT TO NOTE ONE THING IN OUR BUDGET FOR 2026, WE HAVE NOT FACTORED IN MANY OF THE NEW LUXURY AND ULTRA LUXURY DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE COMING TO NAPLES. YOU'RE GOING TO BE OPENING. SOME MAY HAVE ALREADY OPENED, SOME ARE GOING TO BE OPENED. WE DON'T KNOW THE IMPACT ON THAT. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO SEE. BUT WE DID NOT PUT ANY OF THOSE IN OUR BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR. AND SOME OF THE NEXT SLIDES, THE NEXT COUPLE SLIDES. I HAD MENTIONED HOW THE PROPERTY VALUES GO UP. YOU CAN LOOK THROUGH THOSE IF YOU WANT, BUT I WAS JUST GOING TO KEEP MOVING SINCE YOU'VE ALREADY HAD TIME FOR THAT. OKAY. THERE YOU GO. SO THESE WERE THE TWO SLIDES THAT JUST REITERATE THE PROPERTY VALUES AND OURS. SO FOR OUR OPERATING REVENUE ASSUMPTIONS WE HAVE TRADITIONALLY HAD FUEL LEASING AND FBO SERVICES. THAT'S HOW WE MAKE THE MAJORITY OF OUR REVENUES. FOR 26. WE HAVE ESTIMATED WE'RE GOING TO BE ABOUT DOWN 1% IN OUR FUEL GALLONS. AND THAT'S DUE TO ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY. WE ARE ESTIMATING ABOUT A 7% PRICE INCREASE FOR OUR FUEL, AND WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE WITH OUR SEASONAL PRICING MODEL. IN THE AUGUST MEETING FOR OUR BOARD DIRECTION. DUE TO THE UNCERTAINTY OF GRANTS, WE ARE GOING TO BE IMPLEMENTING A LANDING FEE PROGRAM SOMETIME DURING THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR, AND WE ARE CURRENTLY WORKING ON THAT. WE ALSO HAVE HANGAR BUILDING AND LAND RENTS. THOSE ON AVERAGE ARE INCREASING ABOUT 8%, AND THAT'S DUE TO PHASE AND MARKET ADJUSTMENTS AND CPI. SO FOR OPERATING EXPENSES, WE DO A ZERO BASED BUDGET METHODOLOGY. 
          AND WHAT THAT IS, IS WE BUDGET OUR EXPENSES BASED ON THE NEEDS OF OUR DEPARTMENT. AND WHAT 
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WE'RE ANTICIPATING IS GOING TO BE HAPPENING IN THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. A COUPLE OF THE THINGS I WANT TO POINT OUT IS FOR OUR PERSONNEL. WE DO NOT HAVE ANY BUDGETED HEADCOUNT INCREASES. 
          WE HAVE OUR NORMAL ANNUAL INCREASES, BUT NO NEW HEADCOUNT THAT'S INCLUDED IN THE PLAN FOR OUR PROFESSIONAL FEES. WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL FLIGHT PROCEDURES. WE ARE GOING TO BE DOING A RESILIENCY STUDY, AND THE BOARD VOTED FOR US TO SOLICIT PROPOSALS FOR A PART 61 NOISE AND NOISE AND ACCESS STUDY. SO WE HAVE INCLUDED THAT IN OUR BUDGET AS WELL. AND TO GIVE YOU A WHOLE SUMMARY OF OUR BUDGET, WE'RE ESTIMATING OUR INCOME FROM OPERATIONS FOR FY 26 TO BE ABOUT 3.7 MILLION. WE HAVE NON-OPERATING REVENUE AT ABOUT 11.8. AND I DO WANT TO POINT OUT IN THAT 11.8, THERE IS 9 MILLION IN PROCEEDS THAT WE ARE GOING TO BE RECEIVING FROM OUR INSURANCE COMPANY, AND THAT'S MOSTLY FOR OUR AIRFIELD ELECTRICAL LIGHTING IN OUR VAULTS THAT WERE DAMAGED DURING HURRICANE IAN. NOW, FOR OUR CAPITAL, WE'RE ESTIMATING ABOUT $45 MILLION IN CAPITAL NEEDS FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR. AND INCLUDED IN THAT IS POTENTIAL OF A 4.6 POSSIBLE GRANT FUNDING, PRIMARILY AGAIN FOR THE AIRFIELD LIGHTING IN THE VAULT. 
          I ALSO WANT TO POINT OUT THERE IS NO THERE ARE NO NEW DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN HERE. AND THEN IF YOU LOOK RIGHT HERE, I CAN GET THIS MOUSE GOING. 28.20 8.5 MILLION. THAT'S ABOUT 63% OF OUR CAPITAL BUDGET. THAT'S GOING FOR AIRFIELD CAPITAL PROJECTS. SO THE BULK OF OUR SPEND IS GOING TO BE ON THE AIRFIELD. THE DETAILS OF THE ACTUAL PROJECTS, IF YOU WANT TO GET INTO MORE DETAILS, WAS ALSO INCLUDED IN ONE OF THE PDFS THAT WAS ATTACHED. SO TO WRAP UP OUR RESERVES THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING AT THE END OF. 
          THIS A LITTLE BIT. YEAH, SURE. THANK YOU. SO AT THE END OF THIS FISCAL YEAR, WE'RE ANTICIPATING WE'RE GOING TO HAVE RESERVES OF ABOUT 67 MILLION. AT THE END OF FISCAL YEAR 26. THAT NUMBER IS GOING TO DROP TO ABOUT 40.4 MILLION. WE SET ASIDE ABOUT 17 MILLION FOR OPERATING RESERVES. THAT WILL LEAVE US ABOUT 23.4 MILLION EXCESS RESERVES TO FUND CAPITAL PROJECTS GOING FORWARD. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL VICE MAYOR. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT PRESENTATION. JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS TO LEAD OFF. YOU MADE A STATEMENT ABOUT LUXURY DEVELOPMENTS, AND I BELIEVE YOU SAID IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET. CORRECT. WHAT DOES LUXURY DEVELOPMENT MEAN? WHERE WHERE ARE YOU LOOKING FOR LUXURY DEVELOPMENT? WE'VE LISTED SOME OF THOSE IN THERE. THE FOUR SEASONS HAS 222 ROOMS, 157 RESIDENTS. ROSEWOOD HAS THEY'RE GOING THEY'RE AVERAGING ABOUT 12 TO 35 MILLION. ALANA ABOUT 30 MILLION. HUXLEY 8 MILLION PLUS PARK PLACE AND GULFSHORE 7 MILLION PLUS UNITS. SO LUXURY DEVELOPMENTS OFF AIRPORT PROPERTY, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. YES. OKAY. AND WE DON'T KNOW THE IMPACT THAT THAT'S GOING TO BRING. YEAH. AND THEN COULD YOU THROUGH THROUGH THE BUDGET HERE. YOU SAID NO NEW DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS. COULD YOU JUST GO INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE. WHAT YOU MEANT BY THAT. WE'RE NOT DOING ANY NEW DEVELOPMENTS. SO THE PROJECTS THAT WE HAVE HERE ARE EVERYTHING TO MAINTAIN THE RUNWAY AND ALL OF OUR CURRENT FACILITIES. ARE THERE REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS? REDEVELOPMENT. SO WHEN YOU SAY NEW DEVELOPMENT, THEN THERE'S A TERM REDEVELOPMENT THAT MAY FALL OUTSIDE OF WHAT'S CONSIDERED NEW DEVELOPMENT. DO YOU HAVE ANY REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS? WE HAVE ITEMS THAT ARE JUST REFRESHING OUR FACILITIES. OKAY. SO AND THEN I THINK MY FINAL QUESTION, COULD YOU IDENTIFY AND DISCUSS ANY PROJECTS SUCH AS HANGAR DEVELOPMENT OR REDEVELOPMENT, WHICH MIGHT RESULT IN THE ABILITY TO ACCOMMODATE MORE AIRCRAFT IN A HANGAR AND OR 
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INCREMENTAL FLIGHT ACTIVITY? DO YOU HAVE ANY OF THIS IN THE BUDGET OR WHAT YOU'VE PROJECTED TO BE FORTHCOMING CURRENTLY? NO, WE ARE NOT PUTTING ANY NEW HANGARS AND WE ARE NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT IS GOING TO BRING IN ADDITIONAL FLIGHTS. NO NEW HANGARS AND NO REDEVELOPED HANGARS, NO REDEVELOPED HANGARS. I MEAN, REDOING A ROOF IS NOT A REDEVELOPMENT. IF YOU'RE REPAIRING A ROOF, THAT WOULD BE UNDER MAINTENANCE. YEAH. SO THE ROOF IS JUST REPAIRING THE ROOF BUT NOT ACCOMMODATING MORE SQUARE FOOTAGE. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER KRISEMAN. THANK YOU. JUST A QUESTION ON THE. ON ON THE RESERVES, MISS WIGGINS. SLIDE ON THAT. YOU INDICATED THAT AS OF 930 OF THIS YEAR, APPROXIMATELY $67 MILLION IN UNRESTRICTED CASH AND INVESTMENTS, WHAT DOES WHAT DOES THAT WHEN YOU SAY INVESTMENTS, WHAT DOES THAT INCLUDE? THAT INCLUDES THE UNRESTRICTED UNRESTRICTED IS NOT ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE SET ASIDE. FOR EXAMPLE, THINGS THAT WOULD BE FOR THE CAR WASH OR THE RENTAL FACILITIES. SO UNRESTRICTED IS IS FUNDING THAT WE HAVE THROUGH CASH INVESTMENTS. BUT INVESTMENTS MEANING INVESTMENTS IN, IN, IN, IN VARIOUS KINDS OF FINANCIAL MONEY MARKET INSTRUMENTS OR, OR FUNDS OF ONE SORT OR ANOTHER. THAT'S CORRECT, SUCH AS TREASURY BILLS. SO IT'S CASH THAT WHEN YOU USE THE WHEN YOU'RE. JUST THE NOMENCLATURE, I FIND A LITTLE BIT CONFUSING. 
          YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT UNRESTRICTED CASH AND INVESTMENTS. OBVIOUSLY YOUR CASH YOU'RE ALSO INVESTING. CORRECT. SO IS THERE IS THERE A DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE CASH THAT YOU'RE INVESTING AND OTHER TYPES OF HOLDINGS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THAT NUMBER, SUCH AS LAND VALUE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? WE HAVE OUR CASH. WE USUALLY HAVE SHORT TERM CASH AND LONG TERM CASH. LONG TERM CASH IS MORE OF OUR. HOLDINGS THAT ARE LIKE 3 TO 5 YEARS. SO IT'S STILL REALLY SHORT TERM IN NATURE. SO THE YOU WOULD YOU CONSIDER THEN THE 67 MILLION AS BEING ENTIRELY LIQUID INVESTMENTS THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE IF NEEDED. CORRECT. 
          OKAY. AND DOES THE DOES THE AIRPORT HAVE A POLICY ON ON WHAT THE REGARDING RESERVE LEVELS AND WHAT YOU TRY TO SET THEM AT RELATIVE TO OTHER METRICS? YES. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE OUR 17 MILLION. GENERALLY, WE LIKE TO HAVE ABOUT SIX MONTHS OF CASH ON HAND. AND THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL SEE YOU SEE THE OPERATING RESERVES DOWN HERE AT 17 MILLION. SO THE OPERATING RESERVES OF 17 MILLION ARE ARE OUR RESERVES THAT ARE IN THE MOST LIQUID SORTS OF INVESTMENTS AND THEREFORE AVAILABLE. OR I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THAT, YES, THEY ARE. AND THE OTHER 50 MILLION WOULD BE IN LONGER TERM INSTRUMENTS, CORRECT FINANCIAL INSTRUMENTS OF ONE KIND OR ANOTHER. CORRECT. OKAY. BUT BUT MY MY QUESTION ALSO WAS REALLY AT. SO YOU HAVE YOU HAVE A POLICY RELATING TO THE LEVEL OF WHAT OPERATING RESERVES SHOULD BE. AND THEN RELATIVE TO TOTAL RESERVES. CORRECT. IS IT A PERCENTAGE, A FLOATING PERCENTAGE OR SOMETHING. YOU KNOW, BETWEEN THIS PERCENT AND THAT PERCENT, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NO. WE GENERALLY JUST LIKE TO KEEP SIX MONTHS, SIX MONTHS. SO THAT'S IT'S BASED ON, ON ON THAT ROUGHLY ABOUT SIX MONTHS. YEP. AND THEN THE NUMBER OF EXCESS OF RESERVES FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS. 23 MILLION. EXPLAIN THAT TO ME. THAT IS WHAT WE ANTICIPATE TO BE LEFTOVER AT THE END OF FISCAL YEAR 26. SO WE'LL CARRY THAT FORWARD. SO THAT WOULD BE OUR STARTING BASE FOR FY 27. AND THAT WILL SET THE TONE FOR WHAT DO WE HAVE AVAILABLE TO SPEND ON CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT WE CAN. YOU KNOW THAT ALONG WITH ANTICIPATED OPERATING REVENUE AND WHAT IS THAT. THAT NUMBER AS YOU START 25 AS OF NINE, 30, 25, I WOULD HAVE TO 
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GO BACK AND LOOK. I BELIEVE IT WAS 44. IS THAT BUDGETED CIP? NO, THAT THAT'S OUR JUST AGAIN FOR THE 45. THE 45 IS OUR BUDGETED CIP. BUT I'M SAYING THE EXCESS RESERVE. YOU'RE ASKING THIS 23.4. WE'RE ESTIMATING AT THE END OF FY 26 I BELIEVE YOUR QUESTION WAS WHAT WAS THAT NUMBER AT THE BEGINNING OF FY 25? IS THAT YOUR QUESTION? I DON'T KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK. I SEE, SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HERE AGAIN, I'M SORRY TO BE TEDIOUS ON THIS, BUT I AND PERHAPS OTHERS SEE IT MORE CLEARLY THAN I DO. YOU'RE SAYING YOU'RE STARTING THE YEAR WITH 67 MILLION IN LIQUID ASSETS AVAILABLE, AND THEN GIVEN OPERATING REVENUES AND EXPENSES AND CAPITAL PROJECTS BUDGETED IN THE COMING YEAR. AT THE END OF THE YEAR, A YEAR FROM NOW, ROUGHLY, YOU WOULD BE YOU WOULD HAVE $40 MILLION IN, IN, IN, IN UNRESTRICTED CASH AVAILABLE TO YOU. YOU'D LIKE TO KEEP 17 MILLION AVAILABLE FOR OPERATING RESERVES. I WOULD CHOOSE THE TERM AN EMERGENCY RESERVE, AND THAT WOULD LEAVE YOU 23 MILLION AS YOU START THE NEXT YEAR. CORRECT. YOU UNDERSTAND THAT PERFECTLY. YOU DID GOOD. OKAY, I DO NOW. THANK YOU. GREAT. APPRECIATE YOUR. YES. THAT IS THAT YOU HAVE YOU HAVE IT. IT'S YOU. YOU SAID IT. WELL THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COMING TODAY. JUST A COUPLE QUESTIONS IN TERMS OF. HANGAR DEVELOPMENT OR ANYTHING THAT'S GOING TO ENCOURAGE INCREMENTAL VOLUME ON YOUR CAN YOU KIND OF WALK THROUGH WHAT THE 3.5 MILLION IS ON THE NORTH ROAD TERMINAL. IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, IT GIVES AN ASTERISK AND THEN IT SAYS APPROVED OR PARTIALLY APPROVED PROJECTS. CORRECT. WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING ON IMPROVING THE EXTERIOR OF THE NORTH ROAD TERMINAL. THAT WAS PHASE ONE. PHASE TWO IS IN IMPROVING THE THE INTERIOR OF IT. OKAY. AND THEN CAN YOU BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC IS THAT DOES THAT TERMINAL HAVE ANY HANGARS IN IT OR THE TERMINAL. THAT TERMINAL HOUSE IS MOSTLY OUR CAR RENTAL FACILITIES. SO WE'RE GOING TO REFRESH THAT AREA. AND AS YOU KNOW, THAT IS ONE OF THE ONLY PLACES WHERE RESIDENTS OF NAPLES CAN GO FOR CAR RENTAL. SO THAT AREA GETS VERY BUSY. AND THEN THE PARKING LOT WE NEED TO RE REDO THE FLOW OF THE PARKING LOT. UNLESS YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE. NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. AND THEN AND CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE EXECUTIVE HANGAR NUMBER FOUR UPGRADE THE THE I THINK IT'S 250,000 IN THE BUDGET HERE. 
          AND THAT WAS JUST DOING SKYLIGHTS AND UPGRADING SOME OF THE LIGHTING IN THERE. OKAY I SEE EXECUTIVE ONE HANGAR SKYLIGHT REPLACEMENT. THEY'RE ALL SKYLIGHTS. EXECUTIVE HANGAR FOR IMPROVEMENT 250,000 ARE JUST SKYLIGHTS. YES. CORRECT. AND THEN EXECUTIVE ONE HANGAR SKYLIGHTS. MORE SKYLIGHTS. YES. LIGHTING IN IN THERE. LIGHTING CAN GET VERY EXPENSIVE. OKAY. 
          AND THEN IN TERMS OF THE, YOU KNOW, THE HIGH, THE SORT OF THE MISSION THAT GOES USUALLY WITH THESE FINANCIAL STATEMENTS A FEW YEARS AGO, YOU, YOU KNOW, NOT YOU BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT WAS REMOVED WAS COMPATIBILITY WITH THE CITY. ARE YOU THINKING AND MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR MR. ROZANSKI, OF ADDING IT BACK. YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT REALLY THIS IS NOT A COST FREE. 
          AMENITY FOR THE CITY. YES, THERE ARE THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT USE IT. HOWEVER IT IS, IT IS A REALLY GOOD DEAL IN TOWN AND THAT IT'S 20% OF OUR LANDMASS. WE GENERATE NO TAX REVENUE FROM THE AIRPORT. WE'RE PAID $1 A YEAR TO, YOU KNOW, FROM THE CITY FOR THE FOR THE AIRPORT. 
          AND THIS WAS WAY BACK IN 69, SORT OF AS AN OFFSET TO NOISE AND POLLUTION. AND A FEW YEARS AGO, SUDDENLY THE COMPATIBILITY PIECE SORT OF DISAPPEARED. WOULD YOU CONSIDER ADDING THAT BACK INTO YOUR MISSION? GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. CHRIS ROZANSKI, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR FOR THE NRA, I BELIEVE. COUNCILMAN PETRANOFF, YOU MIGHT BE REFERRING TO THE STRATEGIC 
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PLAN, NOT NECESSARILY THE BUDGET. YES, I AM, YOU KNOW, I SEE THEM AS HAND IN HAND. YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, AND SO THE MONEY IS THE FUEL FOR THE STRATEGIC PLAN. THERE WAS A STATEMENT ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE AND AN OLDER VERSION OF A STRATEGIC PLAN. AND BACK AT THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN 2021. AND THE WHAT WE WERE TASKED TO DO WITH BY THE BOARD AT THAT TIME WAS TO MAKE THE STATEMENTS AND THE MEASURES IN THAT PLAN MORE TANGIBLE, MORE MORE CONCRETE, HOW YOU CAN ACHIEVE THAT. AND I THINK YOU WOULD AGREE, QUALITY OF LIFE. QUALITY OF LIFE IS A VERY SUBJECTIVE TERM FOR THE 200,000 PLUS PASSENGERS A YEAR WHO USE THE AIRPORT, AND THEY WOULD EVALUATE QUALITY OF LIFE VERY DIFFERENTLY THAN THE FOLKS WHO ARE AFFECTED BY AIRCRAFT NOISE. 
          AND SO I THINK THAT THE CHALLENGE THERE WAS, HOW DO YOU TANGIBLY MEASURE THAT? NOW WHAT WE ARE DOING IS WE'RE UPDATING THAT STRATEGIC PLAN. AND ACTUALLY, I THINK I DON'T HAVE IT IN FRONT OF ME, BUT WE'VE TAKEN SOME STATEMENTS VERBATIM OUT OF THE CITY'S VISION AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TO INCORPORATE INTO THE AIRPORT'S STRATEGIC PLAN, WHICH I THINK ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES OF QUALITY OF LIFE AND AMONGST OTHER PRIORITIES THE CITY HAS IDENTIFIED IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO THERE'LL BE AN AMENDMENT TO THAT STRATEGIC PLAN. IS THAT FINISHED OR YOU'RE STILL WORKING ON IT? NO. THE FINAL ITERATION WILL GO TO THE BOARD IN SEPTEMBER. SO THEY GAVE US SOME FEEDBACK AT OUR LAST MEETING, WHICH A WEEK OR TWO AGO. AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO NOW. SO THEN WE'LL HAVE A FINAL VERSION HERE IN A COUPLE OF WEEKS FOR THE BOARD. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS CAN I ASK. YES. 
          SORRY. MR. YOUNG, IS HANGAR FOR THE HERTZ ONE. THAT'S THE FORMER HERTZ HANGAR. OKAY. YEAH. 
          THEY VACATED. THEY'RE NO LONGER ON THE AIRPORT. OKAY. AND FROM A BUDGETARY PERSPECTIVE, I DIDN'T SEE ANY. I GUESS I KNOW YOU'RE THE BOARD VOTED TO GO OUT AND ADVERTISE THAT, AND THERE'S NO REDEVELOPMENT IN HERE. DO YOU EXPECT THAT TO TAKE? NOR IS THERE ANY PROJECTED REVENUE THAT I COULD SEE FROM THAT. SO TWOFOLD IS IF IT IS SOLD, IS IT RESTRICTED IN ANY WAY FROM A RESTRICTED FUND BALANCE OR WOULD IT GO TO THE UNRESTRICTED? I JUST DON'T KNOW YOUR PROCESS. I WAS CURIOUS. NO, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. THAT THAT WOULD GO DIRECTLY INTO OUR CAPITAL RESERVE. OKAY. SO IT COULD BE USED FOR AIRPORT CAPITAL PROJECTS. THAT WAS THAT WAS THE MAIN QUESTION. AND YOU DON'T EXPECT YOU'RE NOT PROJECTING THAT ANYWHERE IN THIS. IT WOULD YOU EXPECT IT COULD TAKE THE WHOLE YEAR FOR THAT TO GET BID OR WHATEVER IMPROVEMENTS YOU'RE GOING TO DO, PLUS PUT IT OUT OR. YEAH, THAT'LL THAT'LL TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME. AND WE HAVEN'T YET MADE ANY PROJECTIONS ON WHAT THAT MIGHT BRING IN. OKAY. ON A ON THE MARKET. THEN THERE'S THE INITIAL UPFRONT PAYMENT THAT A TENANT WOULD OFFER. THEN THEY HAVE AN ONGOING LAND LEASE PAYMENT OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU SIR. YOU'RE CORRECT. IT'S NOT INCLUDED. I BEG YOUR PARDON OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG. WHERE ARE YOUR CAPITAL RESERVES LISTED. YES, RIGHT THERE AT THE BOTTOM OF SLIDE NINE. MAYOR. GOT IT. 
          RIGHT. SO THAT'S THE 23 JUST BELOW THE OPERATING. OKAY. THANK YOU. VICE MAYOR HAD A FOLLOW UP ON THAT. YEAH. JUST A FOLLOW UP ON THE CONVERSATION THERE REGARDING THE FORMER HERTZ HANGER. YOU HAD SOME CONVERSATION AGAIN ABOUT THINGS THAT MIGHT HAPPEN TO THIS HANGER. AND IT'S NOT IN THE BUDGET NOT PLANNED FOR. BUT COULD YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHEN THAT WOULD, WOULD WOULD WE BE SEEING SOME ACTIVITY RELATED TO THAT FORMER HERTZ HANGER IN 26 OR BEYOND? WHAT KIND OF CONVERSATIONS HAVE YOU HAD RELATED TO THAT HANGER? YEAH. SO WHAT THE CITY MANAGER IS INQUIRING ABOUT IF THE LAST MEETING WE ASKED THE BOARD FOR DIRECTION ON NOW THAT HERTZ HAS VACATED IT, WE JUST SPENT $1 MILLION ON REPLACING THE ROOF. 
          THERE'S A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND OF SOME ADDITIONAL REPAIRS NEED TO BE COMPLETED. 
          WHAT NEXT? SO WE CAN CONTINUE TO LEASE IT ON A SHORT TERM, MONTH TO MONTH BASIS? THAT'S HOW WE'VE BEEN MANAGING IT. OR WE COULD PUT IT UP FOR SALE BASICALLY ON A 30 YEAR LAND LEASE WHERE A TENANT WOULD HAVE SOME SOME SECURITY OF A LONG TERM LEASE. AND IT'S IT'S A VERY NICE FACILITY, VERY DESIRABLE. AND THE BOARD VOTED TO PUT IT UP FOR, FOR SALE. SO 
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ALL THE MORE IMPORTANT FOR US, WITH THE UNCERTAINTY AROUND GRANTS THAT WE, YOU KNOW, LEVERAGE THE ASSETS THE AIRPORT HAS FOR HIGHEST AND BEST USE ON THAT FACILITY. IS THERE ROOM TO EXPAND THE FACILITY ON THAT FOOTPRINT? NO, IT'S IT'S AN EXISTING FACILITY. IT'S IN A CONFINED FOOTPRINT. SO IT WOULDN'T BE EXPANDED AT ALL. NO, THAT'S NOT PART OF ANY DISCUSSION OR PLANS. NO, I KNOW IT'S NOT PART OF ANY DISCUSSION AND PLANS OR PLANS. MY QUESTION, THOUGH IS IS THERE ROOM TO EXPAND IT. NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. KRAMER, THIS IS REALLY FOR DO WE HAVE DIRECT OVERSIGHT OVER THIS BUDGET OR HOW THEY SPEND THEIR MONEY AT ALL? IS THAT OUR CITY COUNCIL? I GUESS THAT'S OUR ATTORNEY. I'M SORRY. 
          CAN YOU REPEAT THAT? DO WE HAVE DIRECT OVERSIGHT OVER THIS BUDGET, HOW THEY SPEND THEIR MONEY OR WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THE AIRPORT? NO. THIS BUDGET, I THINK, IS PROVIDED TO YOU AS A COURTESY, RIGHT? IT'S JUST AN INFORMATIONAL ITEM. AND THEN THIS IS JUST FOR THE PUBLIC. AND THEN ALONG WITH SO THEY HAVE THEIR OWN BOARD THAT THEY REALLY REPORT TO, AND THAT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT. AND THEN ALONG WITH THAT, WHY ON EARTH WOULD A CITY GIVE A LEASE FOR A DOLLAR A YEAR TO WHOEVER TO RUN THE AIRPORT? AND THE ANSWER IS BECAUSE WE WERE BLEEDING CASH, AND WE KNEW THAT CITIES SHOULDN'T BE IN THE BUSINESS OF RUNNING AIRPORTS. 
          AND SO WE BEGGED SOMEONE TO PLEASE HELP US LEGISLATURE, HELP US GET RID OF THIS BURDEN. 
          AND NOW AFTER DOING THAT, IT'S TURNING THIS INCREDIBLE SUCCESS WHICH WE SHOULD CELEBRATE. SO. 
          I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE ON THIS COURTESY CALL AND SHARING WITH US. 
          THANKS. IT'S OUR PLEASURE. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN KRAMER. MR. ROSANSKI, THANK YOU. I WANT TO JUST MOVING FORWARD BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY MY KEY CONCERN. 
          YOUR BUDGET, SHOWING YOUR PRIORITIES. AND WHEN I LOOK AT THE PRIORITIES OF THE BUDGET, I. 
          I DON'T SEE AREAS OF CONCERN THAT I HAVE FOR FROM THE AIRPORT. AND THAT IS STORM DRAINAGE. WE JUST HAD A SLIGHT PRESENTATION TO THE CRA ABOUT OUR RESILIENCY. CAN YOU JUST UPDATE US ON WHERE YOUR STORM? I KNOW YOU IN THE PAST HAVE PUT ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY INTO IT. I KNOW YOU'VE HAD TO FILL IN SOME WATER AREAS FOR THE EXPANSION OF SOME TAXIWAYS. 
          WHERE ARE YOU WITH AS FAR AS STORM DRAIN? ACTUALLY, I THINK IT REALLY IS ADDRESSING OUR BUDGET BECAUSE WE AND WHAT YOU DON'T SEE IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET, WHICH IS ONGOING, IS WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A $2 MILLION STORMWATER MASTER PLAN UPDATE, AND WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING SOME WATER QUALITY MONITORING RIGHT NOW. THEY'LL BE IN PLACE FOR, I BELIEVE, ABOUT A YEAR. SO WE'RE EAGER TO SEE THOSE RESULTS. AND THIS IS WE'RE MONITORING THE WATER QUALITY IN THE AREA WHERE WE RECEIVE DISCHARGE FROM OFF THE AIRPORT. SO I THINK YOU'RE FAMILIAR, MAYOR, THAT WE RECEIVED DISCHARGE FROM ABOUT 400 ACRES OFF THE INDUSTRIAL PARK TO THE NORTHEAST ONTO THE AIRPORT. THE INNOVATIVE STORMWATER TREATMENT IMPROVES THAT WATER QUALITY. AND BEFORE IT'S DISCHARGED IN NAPLES BAY IS IN A NEAR NATURAL, CLEAN STATE. SO WE'RE WE'RE EAGER TO SEE THOSE RESULTS FROM THAT ADDITIONAL MONITORING. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WE HAVE TO BALANCE THE NEED FOR STORMWATER AND CLEAN AND TREATING STORM WATER A VERY HIGH PRIORITY FOR US WITH WILDLIFE HAZARDS. AND YOU HAVE TO DEVELOP THOSE PONDS AND INFRASTRUCTURE IN A WAY THAT DOESN'T ATTRACT BIRDS, BECAUSE, OF COURSE, BIRDS AND AIRCRAFT PRESENT A STATE, A SAFETY ISSUE. 
          AND THEN IN THE YEAR AHEAD, WE ARE PLANNING TO DO A MORE LONG TERM, IN-DEPTH STUDY ON RESILIENCY, AND I HOPE WE'VE HAD SOME DIALOG WITH CITY STAFF ON THAT. I HOPE TO BOLSTER THAT DISCUSSION, BECAUSE I THINK IT REALLY LIKE YOU JUST HAD THE DISCUSSION ABOUT RADIOS BETWEEN DIFFERENT LOCAL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES. BY THE WAY, WE USE THOSE MOTOROLA RADIOS AS WELL. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THERE'S A VERY CLOSE CONNECTION BETWEEN WHAT THE CITY AND WHAT THE AIRPORT ARE DOING FOR OUR RESILIENCY EFFORTS. THE FIRST STEP OF THAT IS THIS PROJECT TO REPLACE THE AIRFIELD LIGHTING AND BUILD A NEW AIRFIELD LIGHTING VAULT, WHICH IS GOING TO COST MAGNITUDE OF $25 MILLION. THAT'S REALLY DRIVING THAT CAPITAL BUDGET FOR THIS 
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NEXT YEAR. THANK YOU FOR THAT. BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE BUDGET, IT JUST SHOWS 600,000. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THAT $2 MILLION THAT YOU'RE PUTTING INTO THAT AND THAT IT WAS GOING DOWN THE ROAD OF INTERGOVERNMENTAL COMMUNICATIONS AND WORKING TOGETHER DIDN'T MEAN TO EXCLUDE YOU FROM THOSE COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE RADIOS BECAUSE IT'S VERY IMPORTANT. SO I'LL INCLUDE THAT THE AIRPORT SHOULD BE A PART OF THAT FOR OUR FIRST RESPONDERS AND COMMUNICATIONS, WHICH YOU JUST CLARIFIED. WE ARE. BUT I THINK ONCE A YEAR, AS I SPOKE TO MR. YOUNG ABOUT WHAT A A GOOD MEETING BETWEEN THE FIRST RESPONDERS AND THOSE PRINCIPALS WOULD BE IMPORTANT. THE TAXIWAY IMPROVEMENTS, ONLY 50,000. CAN YOU IS THERE A GO BACK TO THAT SLIDE. LET'S SEE WHERE. I'M SORRY. WHERE WHERE DO YOU SEE THAT? UNDER THE AIRFIELD. MAYBE I'M READING IT WRONG. OH, YOU'RE IN THE BUDGET DOCUMENT. YES. THAT MIGHT BE A DISCOVERY PHASE OR DESIGN PHASE PROJECT. I'M NOT CERTAIN. OKAY. BECAUSE WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU REPAVED THE RUNWAYS? WELL, THAT'S GOING TO BE THE LAST. RUNWAY WAS REHABILITATED IN 2014, AND THAT'S THE CROSSWIND RUNWAY. PRIOR TO THAT, IT WAS 2010 OR 11. SO WE ARE APPROACHING REHABILITATION OF BOTH RUNWAYS IN THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE AN ADDITIONAL SIGNIFICANT CAPITAL INVESTMENT JUST OF MAINTAINING THOSE EXISTING FACILITIES. THAT'S RIGHT. I HEARD YOU SAY THEY WEREN'T AT THEIR END OF LIFE, BUT THEY WERE GETTING CLOSE TO THAT. SO IS THAT WHERE YOUR INTENTION IS TO SEEK GRANTS? THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE BOARD. IT'S WE THERE IS A AT OUR JUNE MEETING, WE HAD AN APPLICATION FOR NEARLY $9 MILLION IN GRANTS, AND THE LARGE BULK OF THAT WAS TO FUND APRON, REHABILITATION, PARKING APRON REHABILITATION. AND THERE IS OUR CHAIR WAS ABSENT FOR PERSONAL REASONS. SO YOU HAD A22 VOTE OF THE BOARD ON THAT MOTION. SO THE ITEM FAILED. SO WE NOTIFIED BOTH THE FAA AND THE STATE THAT WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SUBMIT APPLICATION FOR THOSE GRANTS BY THEIR DEADLINE. 
          SO WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THIS CONCEPT OF LANDING FEES IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT TO MAKE UP THE GAP. SHOULD THERE THE BOARD NOT WANT TO PURSUE LANDING FEES IN THE FUTURE? WE JUST IT'S A BIT UNCLEAR RIGHT NOW. WE KNOW THERE'S APPOINTMENTS COMING UP THIS FALL, SO WE'RE JUST PLANNING AHEAD FOR THOSE POTENTIAL FUTURE OUTCOMES. WELL, I WOULD SAY THAT AS FAR AS YOUR OPERATING RESERVES, SIX MONTHS TO ME, AGAIN, THESE ARE JUST RECOMMENDATIONS. BUT I WOULD THINK THAT YOU WOULD HAVE AT LEAST A YEAR IN YOUR OPERATING RESERVES. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PAST RESERVES FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS HAVE BEEN. DO YOU HAVE A PAST HISTORY OF OF WHAT THE RESERVES HAVE BEEN? WE DO, YOU KNOW, I THINK I BRIEFLY LOOKED AT LAST YEAR'S BUDGET AND THIS PROJECTED RESERVE IS SLIGHTLY LOWER. SO, YOU KNOW, WE WE HAVE MORE THAN $100 MILLION IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, PREDOMINANTLY, ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY MAINTENANCE AND PRESERVATION OF EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE COMING UP OVER THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. AND MORE THAN HALF OF THAT ARE ELIGIBLE FOR STATE AND FEDERAL GRANTS. 
          BUT WITH THE UNCERTAINTY OF GRANTS, WE JUST WE'RE IN A PLACE WHERE WE NEED TO LOOK FOR WE NEED TO LEVERAGE OUR ASSETS. WE TALKED ABOUT THE HANGAR. WE NEED TO LOOK AT OTHER REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES. SO LANDING FEES IS ONE WE'RE WE'RE WORKING TO SEE WHAT KIND OF REVENUE WE MIGHT GENERATE OFF OF PARKING REVENUES IN THE LONG TERM. THE THE OLD COMMERCIAL AIRLINE TERMINAL PARKING LOT IN WHICH WE NOW CALL THE NORTH ROAD TERMINAL, THAT'S ANOTHER PROJECT THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY LOOKING AT. IT'S PROBABLY NOT A SIGNIFICANT OPPORTUNITY FOR REVENUE, BUT THERE CERTAINLY ARE SOME FOLKS THAT LEAVE THEIR CARS THERE FOR EXTENDED PERIODS OF TIME. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO LEAVE NO STONE UNTURNED. AND WHERE THAT FUTURE CAPITAL NEED REVENUES ARE GOING TO COME TO HELP MAKE SURE WE CAN MAINTAIN A SAFE AND EFFICIENT AIRPORT. 
          WE'RE IN THE SAME BOAT AT LOOKING AT CHARGING FOR PARKING. PERSONALLY, I THINK PARKING AND 
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NOT CHARGING FOR IT'S A NICE PLUS AND ADDING THE LANDING FEES, YOU KNOW, IS IS A SOURCE OF INCOME. THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. ANYWAY, I THINK WE'LL MAKE IF I COULD JUST ADD TO THAT. AND SORRY FOR THE INTERRUPTION, BUT WE WE ALWAYS HAVE CHARGED THOSE FEES. JUST WE'VE DONE IT THROUGH THE GALLON OF FUEL. RIGHT. AND IF A AIRCRAFT DOESN'T BUY FUEL WITH US, THEY HAVE TO PAY A PARKING FEE ON THE FOR THE PARKING ON THE RAMP. SO WE'VE ALWAYS COLLECTED THOSE REVENUES. BUT NOW WE HAVE TO COLLECT SOME ADDITIONAL REVENUES THROUGH, YOU KNOW, ADDITIONAL MECHANISMS. AND, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE AIRPORT'S GREATEST ASSET BESIDES ITS LOCATION IS ARE THOSE RUNWAYS. SO YOU HAVE TO LEVERAGE THE ASSETS YOU HAVE TO TO KEEP UP WITH MAINTAINING THE AIRPORT. WHEN YOU TALKED ABOUT THE CAPITAL, THAT'S FOR WHAT YOU MENTIONED EARLIER. SUNROOFS OR I THINK WHAT NOT. SUNROOFS SKYLIGHTS. SKYLIGHTS SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD IDEA THOUGH. SKYLIGHTS AND THE ROOF, THAT WOULD BE BASIC MAINTENANCE OR ADDITIONS TO YOUR HANGARS. BUT WHEN SOMEONE HAS A LEASE OR AN AGREEMENT WITH YOU, ARE THERE IMPROVEMENTS PART OF THEIR COST OR YOUR EXPENSE? YEAH, THEY ARE THE TENANTS ON LONG TERM LAND. 
          LEASES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINTENANCE, INSURANCE AND ALL THE ALL IN COSTS THAT GO IN WITH OPERATING A FACILITY. THANK YOU. AND THEN JUST A FUEL FARM. I KNOW IT'S UNDER CONSTRUCTION. WHAT'S THE STATUS OF THAT? WELL, CONTRACTORS ON SITE AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE REPLACING PIPING. THAT'S SOME OLD STEEL PIPING THAT'S DETERIORATED REPLACING THE PUMPS. WE'RE ACTUALLY ELEVATING ALL THE ELECTRICAL PANELS. SO THAT IS ANOTHER RESILIENCY INITIATIVE. AND WE'RE ACCOMMODATING SUSTAINABLE AVIATION FUEL. REALLY PROUD THAT THE NAPLES AIRPORT WAS THE FIRST AIRPORT ON THE ENTIRE EAST COAST OF THE UNITED STATES TO HAVE A REGULAR SUPPLY OF SUSTAINABLE AVIATION FUEL. AND I HAVE TO GIVE CREDIT TO NETJETS BECAUSE THEY ARE 99%, PROBABLY EVEN A LITTLE MORE THAN THAT, 99 POINT SOME DECIMAL POINT PURCHASER OF THAT SUSTAINABLE AVIATION FUEL, MAKING UP ABOUT 20% OF ALL JET FUEL SALES THIS YEAR. THAT COMES AT SIGNIFICANT ADDITIONAL COST TO THEM BECAUSE THAT IS A MORE EXPENSIVE IT'S A NICHE PRODUCT. IT'S FAIRLY NEW IN THE MARKET. RIGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT HAS MUCH LOWER EMISSIONS, LOWER LIFE CYCLE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS. AND IT'S DERIVED FROM THINGS LIKE FRYER GREASE, ALGAE, WOOD PULP, ALL THESE THEY THEY CALL THEM FEEDSTOCKS, BUT IT MEETS THE SAME SPECIFICATION AS TRADITIONAL JET FUEL. IT'S A DROP IN REPLACEMENT. IT'S A FANTASTIC PRODUCT. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES I THINK INDUSTRY WILL HAVE, SOME OF YOU MAY RECALL THE TRANSITION OR THE ADDITION OF ETHANOL 20 PLUS YEARS AGO. SIMILAR CHALLENGE HERE THAT THERE'S THERE'S SIMPLY WITHOUT NEW TECHNOLOGIES COMING ABOUT, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY TO DO 100% REPLACEMENT FOR OF THOSE TRADITIONAL FUELS. BUT THE SUSTAINABLE AVIATION FUEL DOES BLEND WITH TRADITIONAL FUELS. 
          SO SAF, AS WE CALL IT FOR SHORT, WHEN YOU HEAR US TALK ABOUT SAF, WHAT WE'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT IS A 30% BLEND. SO IT'S A 30% BLEND OF THE MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY PRODUCT BLENDED WITH 70% TRADITIONAL FUELS. AND THAT'S WHAT MAKES UP 20% OF OUR FUEL SALES THIS YEAR. WELL, THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU TO NETJETS FOR TAKING ON THAT INITIATIVE. 
          WHAT PART OF THE FUEL FARM ARE GOING TO BE WITH THIS SAF VERSUS OUR TRADITIONAL FUEL? YEAH, IT IT'S IT GETS A LITTLE COMPLICATED. IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE SEGREGATED FROM THE TRADITIONAL FUELS. HOWEVER, BECAUSE OF THE ACCOUNTING AND BILLING PROCESSES THAT WE HAVE, IT DOES NEED TO BE SEGREGATED. SO IT'LL BE PART OF THE IMPROVEMENTS IT'LL BE IN. IT'S A STANDALONE 40,000 GALLON TANK. AND WHAT ARE THE OTHER TANKS? THEY WELL, A TRADITIONAL, MORE 
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TRADITIONAL JET FUELS. THEY RANGE FROM 20 TO 40,000 GALLONS EACH. I THINK WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN 200,000 GALLONS OF TOTAL STORAGE AT THE FARM, WHICH GIVES US IN SEASON 2 OR 3 DAYS OF SUPPLY. WOW. BUT IMPORTANT. VERY IMPORTANT. I'M SORRY. JUST ANOTHER. SO YOU SAID YOU'RE WORKING ON THE STORMWATER. I THANK YOU, AND I LOOK FORWARD TO HEARING ABOUT THE UPDATE ON THE STRATEGIC PLAN BECAUSE YOUR BUDGETS REFLECTING YOUR YOUR PRIORITIES. 
          SO. WHAT WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE RESERVES RESILIENCY, WHAT DO YOU THINK IN THE BUDGET JUST FROM THE NA POINT OF VIEW. AND YOUR POINT OF VIEW REALLY SHOWS THAT WE'RE YOUR BUDGET IS FOSTERING A PARTNERSHIP SO THAT THE CITY AND THE AIRPORT HAVE, YOU KNOW, GOOD RELATIONS IN BEING PARTNERS TOGETHER IN THE COMMUNITY? WELL, I THINK THE VAST MAJORITY OF OUR BUDGET POINTS BACK TO OPERATING A SAFE AND EFFICIENT AIRPORT. THAT'S THAT'S WHY THE NA EXISTS. 
          REALLY? YES. THERE WAS THE FINANCIAL ASPECT. I ACTUALLY, COUNCILMAN KRAMER, YOU'D BE INTERESTED TO HEAR. I STUMBLED ACROSS SOME AN OLD HISTORICAL PIECE THAT SAID THAT THE CITY WAS LOSING, IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, ABOUT 200,000 A YEAR ON THE AIRPORT. SO OBVIOUSLY MUCH DIFFERENT CIRCUMSTANCES NOW, BUT OUR CORE MISSION IS TO OPERATE AS SAFE AND EFFICIENT AIRPORT FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY. I THINK WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS SUCH AS NOISE, THERE'S RESILIENCY, THERE'S STORMWATER, BUT THERE'S ALSO NOISE. THOSE ARE ENVIRONMENTAL FACTORS. THIS YEAR, WE'VE SPENT NEARLY $1 MILLION ON DEVELOPING NEW FLIGHT PROCEDURES, CONCLUDED THE EXPLORATORY STUDY, WHICH IS AT THE EXPENSE OF ABOUT $400,000. WE'RE PLANNING FOR THE YEAR AHEAD TO INITIATE A PART 161 ACCESS RESTRICTION STUDY. YOU RECALL THAT NAPLES WAS THE ONLY AIRPORT IN THE COUNTRY SUCCESSFUL AT ENACTING A RESTRICTION ON THE USE OF THE AIRPORT MORE THAN 20 YEARS AGO. OF COURSE, THE THRESHOLD IS IS MUCH HIGHER TODAY BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE TODAY, THE STAGE THREE JETS CONGRESS HAS GIVEN NO PROCESS FOR AN AIRPORT OR COMMUNITY TO RESTRICT THOSE AIRCRAFT, AND UNFORTUNATELY, THEY ARE NOW THE OLDER AIRCRAFT LEFT IN THE FLEET. NOW YOU HAVE STAGE FIVE, EVEN STAGE FIVE. 
          PLUS THERE'S A TERM IN INDUSTRY STAGE FIVE PLUS NOISE EMISSIONS AIRCRAFT. SO THE GOOD NEWS IS, IS THAT FEWER THAN 10% OF THE JET FLEET IN NAPLES ARE THOSE OLDER, NOISIER STAGE THREE AIRCRAFT. SO THE BAD NEWS IS IT MAKES A PART 161 STUDY, WHICH IS REALLY THE ONLY OTHER TOOL THAT CONGRESS AND THE FAA OFFERS A COMMUNITY, YOU KNOW, THE ABILITY TO TO REDUCE THOSE IMPACTS. NOW, YOU KNOW, WE THE BOARD YOU MAY RECALL, WE PRESENTED BACK IN JUNE A MATRIX ABOUT LOOKING FOR COMMON GOALS OR PRIORITIES. THE FAA AND THE CITY COULD WORK TOWARDS, YOU KNOW, LOBBYING EFFORTS IS CERTAINLY ANOTHER ANOTHER AVENUE THAT I KNOW THE BOARD IS IS OPEN TO. WE'D BE HAPPY AT SOME POINT TO TO COME PRESENT BACK THAT PRIORITIES MATRIX. 
          AND IF THERE ARE SOME YOU KNOW, WE'VE BASED ON THE DISCUSSION BACK IN JUNE, WE ADDED THE REQUEST BY COUNCILWOMAN PENNIMAN TO TAKE A FRESH LOOK AT EXTENSION OF 1432. SO WE ARE GOING TO INVESTIGATE THAT. IT'S NOT A DIFFICULT EXERCISE. IT SIMPLY LOOKS AT UPDATING COST FIGURES, WHICH I HAVE TO SUSPECT ARE DRAMATICALLY HIGHER THAN THEY WERE NEARLY TEN YEARS AGO WHEN WE DID THAT. BUT, YOU KNOW, AIRCRAFT PERFORMANCE HAS IMPROVED AS WELL. AIRCRAFT DON'T THEY DON'T GENERALLY NEED QUITE AS MUCH RUNWAY AS THEY NEEDED EVEN TEN YEARS AGO. BUT WE HAVE REACHED, I THINK, IN TERMS OF AIRCRAFT PERFORMANCE AND NOISE, A BIT OF A PLATEAU, AND I THINK NOT ONLY HERE IN NAPLES BUT IN MANY COMMUNITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY, THERE'S AN URGING THAT IT'S TIME FOR CONGRESS TO REALLY TAKE A LOOK AT NOISE POLICY AND AND DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. WE, THE NEA, HAVE COMMENTED ON FAA WENT OUT FOR COMMENT ON NOISE POLICY. 
          WE PROVIDED COMMENTS ABOUT THE USE OF SEASONAL CONTOURS AND LOOKING AT COMMUNITIES LIKE 
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NAPLES DIFFERENTLY. YOU KNOW, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT LOVES ONE SIZE FITS ALL SOLUTIONS. 
          THAT DOESN'T WORK IN OUR ENVIRONMENT. SO I THINK WORKING TOGETHER TO ADVOCATE FOR SOME OF THOSE CHANGES AT THE REGULATORY LEVEL IS, IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY. SO ADVOCATING FOR REGULATORY CHANGE, LEGISLATIVE CHANGE, YOU KNOW, IN ADDITION TO THE STEPS WE'RE TAKING ON FLIGHT PROCEDURES, ALL ALL I THINK ARE, ARE SHOW THAT COMMITMENT TO THAT QUALITY OF LIFE PIECE THAT'S COME UP TODAY. SO I DON'T SEE IT, YOU KNOW, SPECIFIC LINE ITEM. SO IF WE WERE TO PARTNER IN LOBBYING LOBBYING WHAT WOULD BE THE DOLLAR AMOUNT THAT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT TO BE ABLE TO ESTABLISH THAT IF COUNCIL WERE TO. ENOUGH. I THINK NOT NOT TO I GOT IT. I BELIEVE IN OUR LEGAL BUDGET. WHAT DO WE INCLUDE LAND. WAS IT ABOUT HALF A MILLION? YEAH. SO ROUGH. I'LL SAY WE'VE BUDGETED FOR ROUGHLY HALF A MILLION IN LEGAL FEES, WHICH I'VE SAID INCLUDE GENERAL COUNSEL. OR WAS THAT SET ASIDE? I DON'T RECALL. WE COULD LEAVE IT. YEAH. YEAH. SO I THINK BALLPARK DISCUSS DETAILS WITH MR. YOUNG POSSIBLY ON THAT IS CERTAINLY IS EXPENSIVE. THERE'S NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. AND NO DOUBT MY OPINION WOULD TAKE MULTIPLE YEARS OF EFFORT. I DON'T THINK IT'S EASILY DONE. AND 1 OR 2 YEARS. I JUST I HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER PENNIMAN. THANK YOU FOR THAT. CHRIS. OTHER THAN GRANTS, WHAT OTHER REVENUE SOURCES WOULD YOU LOOK TO AND WOULD YOU LOOK TO OTHER REVENUE SOURCES BEFORE YOU WENT TO GRANTS? AND WHAT WOULD THEY BE IF YOU NEEDED TO FUND CAPITAL PROJECTS AT THE. I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT THEM NOW. I MEAN, WE HAVE FINITE REAL ESTATE. YOU KNOW, YOU LOOK AT THE USE OF THE AIRFIELD, THE RUNWAYS, THE PARKING, THE TENANTS AND WHAT THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THE THE HEALTH OF THE FINANCIAL HEALTH OF THE AIRPORT. YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THE OTHER THING WE COULD LOOK AT IS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A COUPLE OF SMALL PARCELS THAT COULD BE REDEVELOPED FOR NON-AERONAUTICAL PARCEL NON-AERONAUTICAL USE. BUT YOU KNOW THAT THAT IS ADMITTEDLY CHALLENGING WHEN YOU HAVE A LITTLE MORE THAN 40 YEARS LEFT ON THE LEASE AND USUALLY IN THE ON THE NON-AERONAUTICAL COMMERCIAL SIDE, YOU KNOW, THOSE SORTS OF INVESTORS AND DEVELOPERS LOOK FOR A LONGER LEASE TERM, WHICH WE CAN'T OFFER THEM. INTERESTING. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRISTEN. YEAH, SINCE THIS IS A AN AGENDA ITEM AROUND A FINANCIAL DISCUSSION ON THE AIRPORT RELATING TO BUDGET, I JUST WANTED TO. ADD SOME FURTHER DETAIL ON THE COMMENT THAT BOTH COUNCILMAN KRAMER MADE AND MR. ROZANSKI MADE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE AIRPORT. OUR RESIDENT HISTORIAN HERE IN NAPLES, LEILA ZUK, WROTE A LONG AND REALLY VERY INFORMATIVE PIECE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THE AIRPORT THAT I THINK WAS SENT TO US ALL AT SOME POINT IN TIME, BUT IT MAY HAVE BEEN BEFORE SOME OF THE NEWER MEMBERS WERE ON, BUT I RECOMMEND EVERYBODY SHOULD READ THAT. AND AND YOU KNOW, THE FACT OF THE MATTER WAS THAT THE AIRPORT BACK IN THE 60S WAS COSTING THE CITY A LOT. WE WERE LOSING MONEY. I REMEMBER THE NUMBER I READ AS BEING EVEN MORE THAN 200,000 A YEAR, BUT LET'S CALL IT 200,000. BUT THE THING TO REMEMBER, TO PUT THIS IN PERSPECTIVE IS THAT $200,000 IN $1,969 IS $1,760,000 IN $2,025. SO THINK OF IT AS THAT WAY. THE AIRPORT WAS LOSING THE CITY IN TODAY'S TERMS, ALMOST $2 MILLION A YEAR. AND AND THAT WAS THE REASON WHY THE CITY WAS VERY ANXIOUS TO CREATE AN INDEPENDENT AUTHORITY THAT COULD HAVE THE STAFF CAPACITY AND LEADERSHIP TO MANAGE THE AIRPORT SUCCESSFUL FROM A FINANCIAL SUCCESSFULLY FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT, IN ANY EVENT. SO THAT'S THE HISTORY AND THE CONTEXT THAT WE ALL 
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SHOULD KEEP IN MIND AS WE LOOK AT THIS BUDGET. AND THAT'S WHY YOU ALWAYS GET A GOOD CITY MANAGER, CFO AND EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, AND THAT TOO. THAT'S RIGHT. BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN YOU CAN MAKE IT WORK. WRAPPING IT UP, VICE MAYOR. YEAH. THANK YOU. SO WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU'RE A INDEPENDENT AUTHORITY, THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY. THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU COME TO CITY COUNCIL AND PRESENT. WHAT ARE THOSE THINGS THAT YOU CHOOSE TO PRESENT ON YOUR OWN BEHALF, OR YOU'RE COMPELLED TO COME AND PRESENT? DO YOU KNOW WHAT THOSE ARE? WELL, WE GIVE AN A COURTESY ANNUAL BUDGET PRESENTATION, BUT SINCE THE CITY IS THE ZONING AND PERMITTING AUTHORITY, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S UTILIZATION PLAN, PETITIONS FOR PROJECTS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THOSE ARE IN ACCORDANCE WITH YOUR CODES. SO THE UTILIZATION PLAN, A MASTER PLAN, DOES THAT REQUIRED OR NO. SO THIS IS SOMETHING I DISCUSSED. CITY MANAGER CITY ATTORNEY EARLIER THIS SUMMER. THERE'S A STATE STATUTE THAT REFERENCES HOW A MUNICIPALITY MAY INCORPORATE A MASTER PLAN PREPARED BY AN AIRPORT. BUT THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY, AS THE AIRPORT SPONSOR, ADOPTS SAID MASTER PLAN. OKAY, THE SO THERE ARE ELEMENTS OF WHAT YOU DO IN ADMINISTRATING AND RUNNING AN AIRPORT THAT YOU COME BEFORE. THE REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES, YOU CALL IT A COURTESY. 
          SO AT ANY TIME YOU COULD STOP COMING TO US WITH THE DRAFT BUDGET AND EXPENDITURES. I NO, NO I DON'T. YES, WE COME ONCE A YEAR, BUT I'M NOT HERE TO SUGGEST THAT WE NOT DO THAT. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHERE THIS IS COMING FROM. WELL, HERE'S WHERE IT'S COMING FROM, BECAUSE STATEMENTS ARE BEING MADE THAT THE CITY COUNCIL IMPLY THAT THIS CITY COUNCIL HAS NO ROLE IN TALKING, DISCUSSING THE BUDGET AND THE PLANNED EXPENDITURES. YOU'RE HERE TODAY BECAUSE OF A COURTESY AS A COURTESY TO CITY COUNCIL AND REVEALED THE BUDGET, THE DRAFT AND THE THE BUDGET AND THE EXPENDITURES. IS THAT ACCURATE? YEAH. WE WE COME ONCE A YEAR. 
          WE HAVE EVERY YEAR SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. YEAH. AND I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK WE ALL DO. BUT AS REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES AND THE RESIDENTS, THIS IS THE NAPLES MUNICIPAL AIRPORT, REGARDLESS OF IF THE NAME HAD BEEN CHANGED OR WHATEVER'S OUT THERE ON THE ON THE MONUMENT SIGN. BUT I DO BELIEVE IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR ALL OF US HERE ON THIS DAIS AND ALL OF THOSE THAT ARE IN THE COMMUNITY. IT'S OKAY TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE AIRPORT AND HOW THEY PLAN ON SPENDING THEIR MONEY, AND HOW THE IMPACT IT HAS ON OUR COMMUNITY. SO I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S GETTING OVER THEIR SKIS AND ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BUDGET AND THE PLANNED EXPENDITURES. SURE. WE DON'T WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH COMING TO PRESENT THE PLANNED BUDGET FOR THE NEXT YEAR. I THINK IT'S A HEALTHY PROCESS OF GOOD GOVERNANCE. I THINK I THINK SO AS WELL. THANK YOU, MR. ROZANSKI AND MISS WIGGINS. 
          YEAH. THANK YOU. TO THAT POINT, I IT'S IN THE CODE THAT YOU WOULD PRESENT YOUR BUDGET TO US. 
          SO I'M GLAD IT'S A COURTESY ALSO. AND IT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CITY WHO WE OWN THE PROPERTY TO SHARE IN HOW YOU'RE DEVELOPING THAT PROPERTY AND SPENDING THE MONEY. I THINK IT SPEAKS AGAIN TO YOUR PRIORITIES AND DEVELOPMENT AND THE CITY'S PRIORITIES IN DEVELOPMENT. SO I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE AIRPORT AND SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM. SO. 
          ONE LAST QUESTION, AND THAT FOR ME IS WHERE ARE THE LEASES OR AGREEMENTS AS FAR AS INCOME IN THIS BUDGET? THERE'S A LINE WHEN YOU GET INTO THE DETAILED BUDGET DOCUMENT, I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED LEASES AND HANGAR RENTS. THANK YOU. IT'S IT'S ITEMIZED OUT IN THOSE. THANK YOU. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON I JUST HAD A QUICK FOLLOW UP IN REFERENCE TO THE STORMWATER AND RESILIENCY I WANTED TO TO POINT OUT, AND OBVIOUSLY THIS GOES WITHOUT SAYING, BUT I'M GONNA SAY IT ANYWAY. BUT IT'S A MAJOR PRIORITY FOR OUR CITY TO UPGRADE OUR STORMWATER AND 
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CREATE A MORE RESILIENT COMMUNITY. I APPLAUD YOUR EFFORTS TO DO THAT HERE AT THE AIRPORT, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WHEN WHEN IAN HIT US, THE AIRPORT WAS UNDERWATER FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS. ULTIMATELY, THE WATER DID CLEAR, AND THAT AIRPORT IN THE LOCATION, THAT AIRPORT BECAME A HUGE AMENITY FOR THIS COMMUNITY FROM A STANDPOINT OF STAGING EMERGENCY SERVICES. SO OBVIOUSLY IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE TRY TO KEEP THAT DRY BECAUSE WHAT'S HITTING US, YOU KNOW, RIGHT IN THE SHINS, EVERY CHANCE HE GETS, IT SEEMS, IS, IS WE END UP UNDERWATER AND WE OBVIOUSLY OFTEN NEED EMERGENCY SERVICES TO BE ABLE TO GET TO OUR COMMUNITY TO HELP OUR RESIDENTS. SO AGAIN, I, I IMPLORE YOU TO CONTINUE TO MAKE IT A PRIORITY AS AS WE ARE DOING THE SAME UP HERE FOR OUR COMMUNITY, FOR OUR OUR CITY AND UPGRADING OUR RESILIENCY AND STORMWATER. SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THAT AND PLEASE CONTINUE TO DO SO. THANK YOU. COUNCILMAN, IF I COULD JUST JUST A COUPLE OF LITTLE HIGHLIGHTS BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN WORKING SO HARD ON IT. YOU MAY HAVE SEEN WE RECENTLY TOOK DELIVERY OF SOME TIGER DAMS AND THE WATER FILLED BARRICADES YOU DEPLOY BEFORE A STORM. SO WE WENT THROUGH RFP PROCESS. I WAS SURPRISED HOW MANY VENDORS THERE ARE OUT THERE OFFERING THIS TYPE OF PRODUCT, AND THEY'RE ALL A LITTLE DIFFERENT. BUT FOR US, THE TIGER DAMS WERE THE BEST SOLUTION. SO WE HAVE SUFFICIENT, I THINK, 3000 PLUS LINEAR FEET TO DEPLOY AROUND THE PERIMETER OF CRITICAL FACILITIES LEADING UP TO A STORM, AND WE HAVE THEM. SO I'M COUNTING ON THE FACT THAT WE WON'T NEED THEM THIS YEAR NOW THAT WE HAVE THEM. ALTHOUGH HOPE IS NOT A STRATEGY. SO WE DID HAVE TO GO OUT, WE FEEL A LOT MORE BETTER ABOUT THAT. ADDITIONALLY, WITH THE AIRFIELD LIGHTING REPLACEMENT, SOME REALLY INNOVATIVE INDUSTRY LEADING APPROACHES TO THINGS, ACTUALLY, WE'VE BEEN WORKING CLOSELY WITH THE FAA AND THEY'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO CHANGE THEIR AIRFIELD DESIGN STANDARDS AS A RESULT OF THE WAY WE'RE DESIGNING THIS PROJECT. AND SO WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF THAT. SO IT'S IT'S REALLY SOMETHING SO SIMPLE, BUT THAT THEY WOULD NEVER PREVIOUSLY RECOGNIZE FOR SOUTHERN COASTAL AIRPORTS THAT IN NORTHERN CLIMATES, THE EDGE LIGHTS ALONG RUNWAYS AND TAXIWAYS ARE AT A HIGHER ELEVATION BECAUSE OF SNOW AND ICE. WE ASK THEM, CAN'T WE DO THE SAME THING? BUT FOR STORM SURGE? AND IT TOOK A LOT OF PRODDING, BUT I GOT GIVE THEM CREDIT FOR A COMMON SENSE SOLUTION AND THEY THEY IN TURN ARE GOING TO END UP CHANGING THEIR NATIONAL STANDARD AS A RESULT. SO THAT'S A GREAT STORY TO TELL BECAUSE I THINK AS A FEDERAL AGENCY, IT'S TAKING THEM SOME TIME AND EFFORT TO THINK DIFFERENTLY. BUT I THINK WE ALL HAVE TO THINK DIFFERENTLY ABOUT HOW WE WE PLAN AND DESIGN AND AND DEVELOP FACILITIES. SO WE'RE REALLY PROUD OF THAT WORK. AND ABSOLUTELY THAT'S A HIGH PRIORITY MOVING FORWARD. GREAT. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE OKAY. THANK YOU. CONCLUSION. ONE MORE THING ON THE BUDGET. YOU KNOW WE WE CAN'T PENALIZE PEOPLE FOR FOR IN A LOT OF CASES THE THE OPERATIONS THERE WE CAN'T CONTROL VOLUME IS IS MORE DIFFICULT. WE CAN'T SAY YOU CAN ONLY FLY IN X NUMBER OF TIMES, ETC. BECAUSE WE'RE OVERRIDDEN. BUT WHEN IN LOOKING AT THE NOISE THAT WE DO MONITOR OUTSIDE OF CURFEW, NAPLES AIR CENTER AND REX AIR ARE TWO CHRONIC. I GUESS ABUSERS OF GOING OUTSIDE OF THE CURFEW. IS THERE A WAY IN YOUR PNL THAT YOU CAN, INSTEAD OF USING A STICK FOR THESE GUYS, USE A CARROT FOR THOSE THAT ARE REALLY COMPLYING WITH THE WITH THE OPERATING WITHIN THE NOISE, THE HOURS OF OPERATION, THE VOLUNTARY HOURS OF OPERATION, COULD YOU DO A DIFFERENTIAL ON THAT WITHOUT OR COULD YOU LOOK AT IT PERHAPS TO SORT OF INCENT THESE NAPLES AIR CENTER AND REX AIR TO START DOING THE RIGHT THING? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND VERY CREATIVE. SO I APPRECIATE THE QUESTION, COUNCILWOMAN PETRANOFF. THANK YOU. IT BRUSHES UP RIGHT AGAINST THE LINE OF A DISCRIMINATORY PRACTICE SO WE COULD BRUSH IT, BUT MAYBE WE CAN DISCRIMINATE. I CAN I CAN TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT. AND I'VE BANGED MY OWN HEAD AGAINST THE WALL SAYING, THIS JUST MAKES SENSE TO ME BECAUSE THEY'RE THUMBING THEIR NOSE. THE ONE COMMENT FROM THE NAPLES AIR WAS, I DON'T CARE ABOUT NAPLES, YOU KNOW, RESIDENTS, I'M GOING TO FLY WHEN I FLY. SORRY, I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT QUOTE. WAS THAT IN A MEETING OR IN A I AM, I AM SUMMARIZING IT WAS IN A IT WAS IN THE LAST MEETING. IT WAS, YOU KNOW, THE, THE YOUR NOISE PERSON WHO CALLS THEM SEEMED TO 
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BE A BIT FRUSTRATED BECAUSE THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T DEFINE THEIR CUSTOMER, EVEN A SECONDARY CUSTOMER, AS ANY CITIZEN WITHIN THE CITY OF NAPLES, IT'S REALLY WHO IS FLYING. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T REALLY CARE. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE A IT'S BEEN A WHILE, IT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS, BUT I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT. IT IS CHALLENGING IN THIS ENVIRONMENT WHERE WE DON'T KNOW THE FUTURE OF GRANT FUNDING, WHICH IS A SIGNIFICANT PIECE OF OUR CAPITAL FUNDING. SO WE ARE SCRUTINIZING SOME OF THOSE OTHER EXPENDITURES AND OTHER REVENUES A LITTLE BIT MORE CLOSELY THAN PERHAPS MAYBE WE DID IN THE PAST. BUT I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT. THANK YOU. AND BY THE WAY, I WOULD OFFER SORRY. JUST ON THAT NOTE, WE DID SEPARATELY HAVE A DISCUSSION AT THE AUGUST MEETING ABOUT SOME AMPLIFIED CURFEW VIOLATOR OUTREACH. AND ONE OF IF THERE WAS A MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL THAT WOULD LIKE TO BE OPEN TO SPENDING TIME TO MEET WITH THOSE TENANTS TO DISCUSS THOSE TOPICS, WE WOULD LOVE TO INCLUDE YOU. AND I WOULD LOVE TO BE INCLUDED. YOU KNOW, AS THE CONTACTED YOU KNOW, I WOULD LOVE TO SEE GREAT TALK TO THESE GUYS. SO WHEN WE WE'RE WE'RE ACTUALLY GOING TO TRY AND SCHEDULE THOSE MEETINGS WITH THE NA LIAISON COMMISSIONER KREIS. SO WE'LL TRY TO COORDINATE WITH YOU AS WELL AND SEE IF WE CAN BRING YOU ALONG. I THINK THAT BRINGS A GREATER VOICE TO THE DISCUSSION. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I'LL ASK, CAN YOU RECEIVE? THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER PETRANOFF. OKAY. WELL, AGAIN, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE FOSTERING GOOD COMMUNICATION AND STRONG PARTNERSHIPS WITH THE CITY AND THE AIRPORT. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION ON YOUR BUDGET. ANY CLOSING REMARKS? NO. 
          THANK YOU FOR HAVING US. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. THAT TAKES US TO A TIME FOR A BREAK. BUT WE ALSO HAD 13 H THAT IS MOVED UP CORRECTLY TO FOLLOW 4D JUST FOR MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. THERE ARE REGISTRATION FORMS TO IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT AND ITEM 13 H AND THEN PUBLIC COMMENT FIVE AND THEN EACH ITEM, WE WILL HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. WITH THAT, WE WILL TAKE A TEN MINUTE BREAK 
          [13.H. Discussion Item related to Clarifying the Process of City Council’s Review of the Airport Utilization Plan and Site Plan Approval Process for the C4 Airport Commercial District by Implementing Resolution 2025-15651 Pursuant to its Section 6, Administration. (Gary Young, City Manager)]
OKAY, WE'RE BACK IN FROM OUR SHORT BREAK AND WE'RE CONTINUING ON WITH ITEM 13 H. MR. YOUNG, THANK YOU MAYOR, AS FAR AS YOU KNOW, THIS THIS ITEM HERE, AS YOU KNOW, SINCE I TOOK OVER THAT THE UTILIZATION PLAN SITE PLAN AT THE AIRPORT WAS SIGNIFICANT CONVERSATION. AND THEN IT WAS DETERMINED THAT WHILE WE OUR RESOLUTIONS HAD UTILIZATION AND SITE PLAN IN THE DOCUMENT, A SECOND REVIEW BY THE CITY ATTORNEY AND OUR INTERNAL PROCESSES AND THE COMP PLAN REVEALED THAT IT WASN'T IN STRICT COMPLIANCE OR IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE COMP PLAN AS WRITTEN. SO THAT PUTS PUT A MISALIGNMENT BETWEEN OUR CODE AND THE COMP PLAN. AND SO IT WAS SET OUT AT THAT TIME TO SAY, OKAY, WHAT CAN WE DO? AND AS YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU YOU IN MAY THIS COUNCIL PASSED A RESOLUTION THAT TRIED TO SET THE TABLE FOR THAT TO HAVE A MORE DEFINED OR ROBUST UTILIZATION PLAN THAT COMPLIED WITH THE COMP PLAN AND THAT THE SITE PLAN REVIEW WAS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE THE THE COMP PLAN AS WELL. AND TO THAT END, IT DIRECTED STAFF AND ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF TO CITY ATTORNEY AND CITY MANAGER TO WORK TOWARDS ALIGNING THOSE TWO ITEMS, THE CODE AND THE COMP PLAN. SO THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ATTEMPTING TO DO. NOW, THE PART OF IT IS, IF YOU'VE SEEN THE RED LINE VERSION NOW, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR NOT COMING OUT WITH THE ORIGINAL PACKET. WHAT A WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS ENGAGE. THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES WHERE THERE'S SO MUCH ADDED THAT IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO READ THAT. SO IT WAS IT WAS A GIVE AND TAKE. WHICH VERSION DO WE GIVE THEM BUT HAVE IT READY? SO WE SENT THAT OUT LAST NIGHT. I UNDERSTAND IT MAY BE A LITTLE WONKY WALKING THROUGH THIS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU KIND OF CONTEXTUALLY, I GOT YOU TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. NOW FROM THE STANDPOINT OF HOW DID WE GET HERE? OBVIOUSLY IT WAS ME AND MATTHEW WORKING WITH BRUCE. BRUCE AND ERICA. HAD THEY, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'LL SAY BRUCE AND ERICA DID A HEAVY AMOUNT OF OF THE LIFTING IN TERMS OF VERBIAGE. AND THEN ME AND 
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MATTHEW CAME IN, WE HAD OPPORTUNITIES TO DISCUSS. AND AS THE AGM SAID, WE THEN MET WITH THE AIRPORT BECAUSE THE INTENT IS NOT TO IS TO GET SOMETHING THAT ALIGNS, THAT WE CAN HAVE A UTILIZATION PLAN THAT GIVES YOU MORE SPECIFICITY, THAT YOU CAN HAVE COMFORT ADOPTING, AND THAT SITE PLANS COME BACK TO YOU ON INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENTS OR REDEVELOPMENTS. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT WE WERE WORKING TOWARDS. SO WE GAVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY AND WE HEARD BACK FROM THEM. WE HEARD SOME BACK. AND ANYONE HERE WHO CAN CORRECT ME, BUT WE HEARD SOME IMMEDIATE FEEDBACK THAT DOESN'T WORK. YOU KNOW, UNDERSTAND WE HAVE FAA REGULATIONS. AND SO THERE WERE SOME CONCESSIONS WE MADE AT THAT POINT EARLY ON. AND THEN WE ALLOWED THE OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, WELL, GET BACK TO US IN WRITING TO CONFIRM IT. SO THAT'S WHERE WE STAND TODAY. 
          OKAY. SO I'M GOING TO HIT SOME HIGHLIGHTS AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT THE INDIVIDUAL DOCUMENTS. 
          BUT I WANTED JUST TO KIND OF LET YOU KNOW. AND WHAT WE DIDN'T WANT TO DO IS BRING A RESOLUTION RED LIGHT AND SAY HERE IT IS. WE WANTED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION. ARE WE ON THE RIGHT TRACK? DO WE AGREE? YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL HOPEFULLY GOING TO HAVE MANY, YOU KNOW, WON'T SAY MANY MORE. COUPLE MORE MEETINGS WITH THE AIRPORT TO FINALIZE THESE THINGS AND WITH YOU. BUT TO GET THIS DONE SO WE CAN GET THE PROCESS ALIGNED WITH THE COMP PLAN AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD ON THESE THINGS WITH THE SURETY THAT EVERYONE IS COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROCESS. SO WITH THAT, AND I JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON THE UTILIZATION PLAN FIRST AND GO THROUGH A COUPLE HIGHLIGHTS ON THAT. AND THEN AND THEN KIND OF TAKE US PAUSE THERE AND LET YOU KNOW WHERE WHY WE LANDED, WHERE WE DID ON IT. AND THEN WE'LL KIND OF GO FROM THERE. SO THE FIRST THING IS 58 681. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS CLEAR IS THERE WASN'T DEFINITIONS DIDN'T ALWAYS ALIGN. EVEN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S MEMO INDICATED THAT THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN THINGS THAT WERE REFERRED TO AS AKA, ALSO KNOWN AS. SO WE TRIED TO GET THAT NOMENCLATURE DOWN BUT ALSO DEFINE IT. AND SO SPECIFICALLY IN THIS, THE VERSION THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU, THE AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN AND THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN, THE THE NRA REQUESTED THAT WE UTILIZE KIND OF THE FAA AND THE STATE VERSION OF THE DEFINITION SO THAT IT DIDN'T GET CO-MINGLED WITH OTHER THINGS. SO WE THOUGHT HAVING A DEFINITION SECTION WAS IMPORTANT. AND FOR PURPOSES OF OF DISCUSSION, THERE WAS NO REASON TO ARGUE OVER OVER WHAT DEFINITION, JUST AS LONG AS WE KNEW GOING IN. SO WE ADOPTED THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE FAA AS TO THOSE DEFINITIONS ON THOSE TWO ITEMS. AND THEN THE AIRPORT UTILIZATION PLAN IS REALLY IT'S THE CITY'S ITEM. SO WE WORKED ON THAT DEFINITION. AND THEY THEY, THEY OPPOSE CERTAIN PARTS OF IT. AND ONE IS THE WHERE IT SAYS SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE. AND YOU'LL HEAR THAT THEME A LITTLE BIT THROUGHOUT. THIS IS WHEN WE USE THE PHRASE IT WAS ALREADY IN OUR UTILIZATION PLAN. 
          WE USE THE SAME PHRASE AND SAID, IT'S TOUGH TO HAVE A SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE AND SOMETHING THAT'S A TEN YEAR OUT WINDOW. AND THIS IS A MUCH SMALLER ONE. WAS IT? IT'S A NUANCE IN SOME REGARDS, BUT I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT FROM THE STANDPOINT. BUT THE LANGUAGE HASN'T CHANGED FROM WHAT IT PRESENTLY SAYS IN OUR CODE. AND THEN THE OTHER ONE WAS THE THE REPEATED THE EXISTING LANGUAGE WERE SUBMISSION OF THE UTILIZATION PLAN. SO IT DOESN'T SAY THAT IT HAD TO BE THE FIRST DRAFT. WE SAID, WELL, YOU SHOULD, YOU KNOW, EVERY YEAR YOU LET US KNOW WHAT A UTILIZATION. THEN WE WE AGREED KIND OF IN THE MEETING. WELL WE'LL DO IT EVERY TWO. BUT THE LANGUAGE IT REALLY IT CAME DOWN TO TWO OR MORE FREQUENTLY AS MAY BE NEEDED. BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE THE SPECIFICITY IN TWO YEARS, THERE'S SOMETIMES A SHORT WINDOW TO GET SOMETHING DONE. SO WE CHANGED IT TO THREE YEARS. SO IT'S REQUIRED EVERY THREE YEARS OR MORE FREQUENTLY AS MAY BE REQUIRED. SO SITE PLAN COMES UP AND THEY NEED IT DONE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T COMPLY WITH THE MOST RECENT UTILIZATION. THEN THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO. SO THAT'S THE OTHER PART. AND AGAIN WE CHANGED IT TO TO THE THREE YEARS. AS LONG AS THE BACK END WAS THERE OR MORE FREQUENTLY AS MAY BE REQUIRED. OKAY. SO THAT IS A CHANGE. AND THAT WAS 58 682. AND THEN AGAIN, 58 682 SAYS REQUIRES ALL FUTURE BE IN SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH THE UTILIZATION RATHER THAN STRICT COMPLIANCE. AND SO IT'S A PLAY ON WORDS. WE'LL GET THROUGH THAT. BUT I DID WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT IS ANOTHER ITEM THAT THEY SAID. IT'S JUST THERE'S A NUANCE TO THEM THAT THEY BELIEVE BASED ON THE, I GUESS, THE EXACTNESS OF THE UTILIZATION, AND JUST WANTED TO PLAY WITH THOSE WORDS STILL. SO WE'RE STILL GOING BACK AND FORTH ON THAT A LITTLE BIT. 58 682 WHERE IT SAYS REQUIRES ALL FUTURE PROJECTS TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANT. IT IS ACTUALLY. 4D. IT SAID IT THERE'S A COUPLE PLACES WHERE BUT THAT'S THAT'S ONE OF THEM WHERE IT SAYS SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANCE WITH CURRENT AIRPORT MASTER PLAN AND APPROVED. SO IT'S THAT NUANCE LANGUAGE. AND 
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THEN THERE WAS ANOTHER ON 58 682 FIVE OR C5H WHERE WE ADDED DECKS AND ASSOCIATED CHILDREN'S PLAYGROUND BECAUSE THEY'VE HAD ONE THERE, YOU KNOW, TO THE FLIGHT OUT TO THE FLIGHT DECK. 
          AND THEN THEY HAD A CHILDREN'S PLAYGROUND THAT THEY'RE GOING TO REPLACE, AND IT WAS NEVER REALLY THERE. SO IT WAS THEY HAVE AN AIRPORT THEME TO IT, AND IT SEEMED RELATIVELY BENIGN TO THE, THE, THE AVIATION DECK. SO WE BELIEVED AND WE WANT WE ADDED THAT JUST FOR, YOU KNOW, TO TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THEM AT THEIR REQUEST AS WELL. AND THEN LET'S SEE. WE SHOULD MAKE SURE MODIFIED TO ENSURE THEIR PROJECTS COMPLETE UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR PROJECTS WITH CITY APPROVAL BUT NOT YET UNDERWAY OR PROJECTS NOT IN THE CITY PIPELINE ARE CLEARLY IDENTIFIED ON THE AIRPORT UTILIZATION PLAN. WE GO TO ELABORATE LENGTHS ON THERE TO KIND OF GIVE IT SOME SPECIFICITY AND HOW WE WANT THEM TO BE OUTLINED AS WELL, AND CLARIFYING THAT IF YOU LOOK AT IT UNDER WHERE IT SAYS AIRPORT UTILIZATION PLAN, THIS IS ALL NEW LANGUAGE SAYS WE'LL BE PRESENTED USING SCALE DRAWINGS WITH DIMENSIONS AND SHOWN AND CONFIRMED GEOSPATIAL POSITIONING TOOLS, WITH ACCOMPANYING NARRATIVE AND CLEARLY CLEAR IDENTIFIERS. SO THAT'S THE OBJECTIVE IS TO GET THE CRITERIA THERE. IT'S NOT SUBJECTIVE ANYMORE, BUT THAT THEY AGREED WITH WITH SOME OF AND IT WAS US IN THAT ROOM AND, YOU KNOW, THE FOUR OF US AND THREE OF THEIR REPRESENTATIVES SAYING, WHAT'S THE APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE TO PUT HERE SO THAT YOU CAN GIVE US ENOUGH VALID INFORMATION THAT OUR COUNCIL FEELS THEY HAVE WHAT YOU'RE INTENDING TO TO TO BUILD ON THE UTILIZATION PLAN BEFORE YOU EVER GET TO THE SITE PLAN. SO THEY THEY WERE SOMEWHAT IN FAVOR OF THAT AND HAD NO OBJECTIONS. AND THEN THE LAST THING WAS CLARIFIED THAT THE UTILIZATION PLAN PETITIONS WILL BE PLACED ON THE NEXT REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING AGENDA, BUT NO MORE THAN 90 DAYS AFTER THE CITY MANAGER FINDS THE UTILIZATION PLAN SUFFICIENT. WE ORIGINALLY WROTE IT THAT IT'D BE 120 DAYS. THEY ASKED FOR IT TO BE 90 DAYS, WHICH WAS FINE, AND IT GIVES WHEN AGAIN, IT GOES WITH SUBSTANTIALLY UTILIZATION PLAN IS FOUND TO BE SUBSTANTIALLY SUFFICIENT BY THE CITY MANAGER. SO IN THE EVENT THEY PUT IT FORWARD AND SAY, WELL, WAIT A MINUTE, THESE ARTICLES DON'T I DON'T THINK YOU'RE SPELLING IT OUT CORRECTLY. IT GIVES US THE ABILITY TO SAY, NO, WE NEED SOMETHING MORE, YOU KNOW, ROBUST BEFORE WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT TO COUNCIL. AND THAT WAS THE THEORY BEHIND THE DISCUSSION. SO WITH THAT, I'D RATHER STOP THERE. BEFORE WE GET TO SITE PLAN, I WOULD ASK ANY OF THE FOUR PEOPLE THAT SAT IN ON THE MEETING WITH NAR TO ADD ANYTHING FIRST, IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT I MISSED, AND THEN ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE? THANK YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER? YOUR FOR STAFF EITHER WAY IT WAS. YEAH. GO AHEAD MATTHEW DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDED. 
          NO I THINK THAT'S THAT'S A GOOD SUMMARY. I MEAN THE ONLY AND I THINK MR. YOUNG PREFACED THIS CONVERSATION VERY WELL AND ACCURATELY. THIS IS REALLY A DISCUSSION FOR DIRECTION. WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW WILL LOOK SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT. THE LANGUAGE MAY NOT, BUT THE ORDINANCE WILL BECAUSE IT WILL HAVE TO BE AN ORDINANCE FORMAT WITH RECITALS. AND JUST SO EVERYONE UNDERSTANDS THE APPROVAL PROCESS, THIS IS AMENDING THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. SO IT WILL HAVE TO BE REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING BOARD FIRST, WHO WILL PROVIDE RECOMMENDATIONS AS YOUR LPA TO CITY COUNCIL. AND AS WE GO THROUGH THIS DISCUSSION, I WOULD ALSO LIKE, BASED ON THE WILLINGNESS TO WORK TOGETHER FROM MR. RAZANSKY AND HIS TEAM, SOME CONSENSUS AND DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE NAR REVIEW THE ORDINANCES FIRST TO PROVIDE THEIR COMMENTS BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD DOES. BECAUSE IF WE'RE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER, THEN I THINK WE SHOULD ALL BE IN THIS TOGETHER. AND I THINK WE IT WOULD JUST REALLY HELP THE PROCESS TO HAVE THEM, THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND, THE ONES THAT ARE DEALING WITH THE LEASES AND TENANTS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON THE FINAL FORM BEFORE THE CITY DOES. 
          OKAY. OH, WAIT. MR. I WOULD JUST YEAH, I THINK THAT'S ALL WONDERFUL AND CONSISTENT WITH US SAYING THIS WASN'T THIS IS THAT WASN'T THE FIRST MEETING WE NEED TO HAVE WITH THEM. WE NEED TO HAVE MANY MORE. SO SO I'LL TAKE A AT THE END OF THIS. I'D LIKE SOMEBODY TO MAKE A MOTION THAT REFLECTS THAT. THE AIRPORT WILL REVIEW IT AND FEEDBACK ON EXACTLY WHAT THE ATTORNEY JUST SAID, THAT THEY'RE IN AGREEANCE WITH THIS. I HAVE. PENNIMAN KNOW SOMEBODY OVER HERE? CRISPIN. SO SO STEPPING BACK FROM THIS BIG PICTURE, THE WHAT YOU JUST REVIEWED, MR. YOUNG, REALLY HAS TO DO WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE THE PROCESS FOR APPROVING THE 
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UTILIZATION PLAN. YES, SIR. AND MY INTENT WAS TO STOP HERE AND THEN GO TO THE SITE PLAN NEXT. 
          SO DON'T WANT TO GET AHEAD AHEAD OF YOU. BUT I JUST JUST WANTED QUESTION IS THAT IS THE IS THE OBJECTIVE HERE TO HAVE IN EFFECT A GOING FORWARD A TWO PART PROCESS WHEREBY EACH TIME THE AIRPORT DEVELOPS A NEW UTILIZATION PLAN, WHICH IS REALLY A COLLECTION AND AGGREGATION, A COLLECTION OF INDIVIDUAL PROJECTS, RIGHT? THAT THE UTILIZATION PLAN WOULD BE APPROVED THROUGH THE PROCESS SUGGESTED HERE OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO IT. BUT THEN WHAT WE WILL BE GETTING TO WITH THE SITE PLAN REVIEW WOULD BE THAT EACH INDIVIDUAL PROJECT WITHIN THE UTILIZATION PLAN WOULD THEN SUBSEQUENTLY, AS IT'S READY FOR DEVELOPMENT, HAVE TO COME THROUGH FOR A SITE PLAN, REVIEW PROCESS, APPROVAL PROCESS FOR EACH INDIVIDUAL PROJECT WITHIN THE UTILIZATION PLAN THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN APPROVED, OR IS SOMETHING ELSE ENVISIONED? NO, IT WOULD CONSISTENT WITH THE ORDINANCE AND WITH WHAT THE THE ATTORNEY'S OPINION WAS, WHICH IS THAT THE SITE PLAN SHOULD COME BACK TO COUNCIL. SO THIS IS ACHIEVING THAT. NOW THE THE THE REASON THAT WE WANT TO CODIFY IT IS BECAUSE IF THERE'S NOWHERE IT'S PRESENTLY SAYS WHAT IT SHOULD BE. SO SO I'M SORRY I SOMETIMES DO THIS. MR. SO THE SHORT ANSWER IS YES. AND WHEN WE GET TO THE SITE PLAN PART, IT'S TO PUT CERTAIN CRITERIA. SO THIS COUNCIL ISN'T SEEING EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM AND HAVE A REASONABLENESS TEST TO THOSE THINGS THAT SHOULD NOT REQUIRE THAT. SO THAT'S WHY WHEN WE GET TO THAT PIECE, IT'S NOT A SIMPLE YES ANSWER, BUT IT'S THE INTENT THAT THOSE THAT WE DEEM APPROPRIATE TO COME TO YOU. BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S WHAT'S ENVISIONED WITH THE SITE PLAN. YES, SIR. TO CREATE A PROCESS FOR COUNCIL REVIEW OF SOME, BUT PERHAPS NOT ALL PROJECTS INCLUDED IN THE UTILIZATION PLAN. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY. WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT. SECOND, THE OTHER COMMENT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE, BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED, IS THAT I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL THAT THAT WE WHATEVER WE END UP APPROVING, BE SOMETHING. ALTHOUGH THIS IS OBVIOUSLY A CITY APPROVAL. 
          RIGHT. WE'RE APPROVING ORDINANCES ULTIMATELY THAT APPLY TO US, BUT THAT THE, THE THE THAT THAT THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY WOULD ALSO BE IN SOME SORT OF A FORMAL ACTION SUPPORTING AND ENDORSING THIS NEW PROCESS. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THAT OCCUR, YOU KNOW, FOR ALL KINDS OF REASONS GOING FORWARD FROM THE STANDPOINT OF MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE ON THE SAME PAGE TOGETHER. I MEAN, THE THE OTHER. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE MANY CONVERSATIONS AND DISCUSSIONS AROUND THE NAPLES JET CENTER AND, YOU KNOW, CONCLUDED WHAT WE CONCLUDED AND AGREED THAT WE WERE GOING TO LOOK FORWARD IN TERMS OF IMPROVING THE PROCESS GOING FORWARD. YOU KNOW, IT SEEMED TO ME THAT. IT WAS IT WAS AS MUCH TO THE BENEFIT OF THE AIRPORT THAT THIS OCCUR AS IT WAS TO THE TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THE AND THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE GOING TO BENEFIT FROM MORE CLARITY AND CERTAINTY IN TERMS OF HOW THE PROCESS WORKED. AND, AND, AND SO, YOU KNOW, HOPE THEY THEY CONTINUE TO AGREE AND ULTIMATELY NOT JUST STAFF, BUT THEIR BOARD WOULD. YOU KNOW, HAVE THEIR INPUT. BUT ULTIMATELY WE END UP WITH A PRODUCT THAT'S COMFORTABLE ON ALL SIDES FOR PEOPLE ON ALL SIDES. FINAL THING I'LL ASK NOW AND YOU CAN ANSWER IT NOW, MR. MCCONNELL. OR YOU CAN ANSWER IT LATER IN THE DISCUSSION. BUT. YOU KNOW, ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE DEALING WITH A PIECE. WE'RE DEALING WITH ORDINANCES THAT RUN RIGHT UP AGAINST CURRENTLY AND STILL SENATE BILL 250 AND SENATE BILL 180. AND WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A HAVE HAVE THAT 
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BE PART OF OUR DISCUSSION TODAY. SO I AGREE, ESPECIALLY AFTER THE LEGISLATIVE UPDATE THAT WE JUST DISCUSSED AND, YOU KNOW, THE LATER DISCUSSION RELATED TO POTENTIALLY JOINING A LAWSUIT ON SB 180. SO WHEN I INITIALLY SAID THAT THESE WILL LOOK SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFERENT, I THINK THE RECITALS MATTER. I THINK THE PURPOSE AND POLICY BEHIND THIS MATTER. BUT EVEN WHEN WE WERE PREPARING OUR OPINION LETTER AND WHEN WE WERE PREPARING THE RESOLUTION, THERE ARE SOME IMPORTANT, IMPORTANT THINGS TO KEEP IN MIND WHEN IT COMES TO THE APPLICABILITY OF OF BOTH 250 AND 180. ONE OF THEM BEING THAT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS CITY PROPERTY AND THE NRA IS A TENANT OF THAT PROPERTY. BUT THERE WAS NO SITUATION IN WHICH I COULD SIT HERE AND GUARANTEE THAT WE WON'T BE SUED AND THAT THESE ARGUMENTS WILL WORK IN COURT, BECAUSE ULTIMATELY THAT WILL BE UP TO HOW GOOD WE ADVOCATE. AND WHATEVER THE JUDGE DECIDES IS APPLICABLE OR NOT APPLICABLE. AND WITH THE LACK OF CASE LAW ON SB 250 AND ESPECIALLY SB 180, SINCE IT WAS JUST IN ENABLED, THERE'S NO WAY TO SAY THIS IS GOING TO BE GOOD OR NOT. IF WE GET SUED, IT'S GOING TO BE UP TO THE JUDGE AND THE COURT OF LAW TO MAKE A RULING ON WHETHER OR NOT THESE ARE MORE BURDENSOME OR RESTRICTIVE. BUT I DO FEEL COMFORTABLE BECAUSE I'M INVOLVED IN THIS PROCESS, AND I'LL BE INVOLVED IN DRAFTING THE ORDINANCES TO MAKE THAT ARGUMENT, BECAUSE I THINK IT IS UNIQUE WITH IT BEING OUR PROPERTY AND THEN BEING A TENANT WITH OUR OPINION LETTER ESSENTIALLY STATING THAT IT COULD HAVE BEEN INTERPRETED THIS WAY THE ENTIRE TIME, WE WERE SIMPLY CLARIFYING THAT. SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF PROS IN THE ARGUMENT DEPARTMENT FOR THE CITY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THAT'S JUST IN PURELY NARROW LEGAL TERMS, ENOUGH OF A ARGUMENT TO CARRY THE DAY, I HAVE NO IDEA. BUT BUT IT GOES BACK TO WHAT I SAID A MOMENT AGO ABOUT GETTING ENGENDERING THE SUPPORT AND COLLABORATION OF THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY, BECAUSE WHO IS LIKELY TO SUE US IF. AND THAT WOULD BE SOMEONE WHO IS A. TENANT OR A CUSTOMER OF THE AIRPORT, SOMEBODY WHO HAS OPERATIONS THERE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, FEELS THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, OBJECTS TO THIS ON LEGAL GROUNDS OR JUST IN TERMS OF HOW IT MIGHT IMPACT THEIR OPERATION IN THE FUTURE. IF IF YOU HAVE AN AIRPORT AUTHORITY THAT HAS COLLABORATED IN THE FULLY IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THESE ORDINANCES AND EMBRACED IT AS A BOARD IN APPROPRIATE FASHION FASHION THROUGH THROUGH BOARD ACTION, AS AS GOOD PUBLIC POLICY FOR THE CITY AND FOR THE COMMUNITY. I THINK THAT JUST CREATES DOESN'T, DOESN'T PROTECT YOU ENTIRELY. BUT IT IT IT SENDS A MESSAGE. IT SENDS A MESSAGE THAT, YOU KNOW, WE ALL AGREE THAT WE NEED TO IMPROVE THIS PROCESS, MAKE IT BETTER, AND, AND MAKE GOOD PUBLIC POLICY. AND THIS IS NOT SOMETHING BEING FORCED ON THE AIRPORT. IT'S SOMETHING THE AIRPORT WELCOMES AND HAS PARTICIPATED IN. SO THAT'S WHY IT'S SO IMPORTANT FROM MY STANDPOINT. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO SHARE. MAYOR, IS IT POSSIBLE I COULD JUST RESPOND TO SOMETHING THAT MR. CHRISTMAS. YES. MR. SELF, ON JUST ONE POINT, THE AS AS YOU ALL KNOW, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROVIDES FOR A SITE PLAN REVIEW AT THE AIRPORT, BUT THERE'S NO BRIDGE TO GET THERE. 
          AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE UTILIZATION PLAN. THE DOCUMENTS MR. ROZANSKI REFERRED TO THE MASTER PLAN AND THE AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN ARE FAA GENERATED DOCUMENTS THAT SERVE THE FAA'S PURPOSES FOR SAFETY. OUR GOAL HERE WAS TO CREATE FOR YOU AN AIRPORT UTILIZATION PLAN THAT MEETS THE CITY'S NEEDS TO MAKE SURE THERE WAS A BRIDGE TO GET TO THE SITE, PLAN, REVIEW, AND THE WAY WE STRUCTURED IT AT THIS MOMENT, SUBJECT TO YOUR GUIDANCE, IS AS A GOVERNMENT TO GOVERNMENT DOCUMENT, UTILIZATION PLAN WOULD NOT GO THROUGH THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD REVIEW, BUT THE SITE PLANS WOULD BECAUSE THOSE WOULD BE LEGAL ENTITLEMENTS. SO THE WAY WE'VE SET IT UP IS THRESHOLD WITH THE CITY STAFF TO CERTIFY THE SUFFICIENCY OF THE AIRPORT UTILIZATION PLAN, AND THEN THE CITY COUNCIL SITE PLANS WILL GO THROUGH THE PAB. 
          SO I JUST WANT TO AMPLIFY THE THE OVERALL CONCEPT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO. THANK YOU. 
          AND I JUST WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR. CHANGING THE WAY THAT THIS IS INTERPRETED FROM THE 
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COMP PLAN TO THE CODES AND BRINGING THAT PROCESS INTO CLARITY IS WHAT WE'RE DOING. SO I A LAWSUIT ON 250 OR 180 THAT THIS IS MORE BURDENSOME OR RESTRICTIVE IS NON NEGOTIABLE IN MY OPINION. ANYBODY CAN SUE SOMEBODY FOR SOMETHING BUT IT'S FRIVOLOUS AS FAR AS AND I'M CONCERNED. YEAH. MAYOR I YOU KNOW ANYBODY CAN SUE ANYBODY THAT'S THAT'S FOR SURE. BUT I'M JUST SAYING THAT HAVING HAVING SOMETHING APPRECIATED WITH MR. SULLIVAN SAID, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT IS BEING DEVELOPED, YOU KNOW, TO ENSURE INTERNAL CONSISTENCY WITH OUR PLANS AND CODES, BUT ALSO HAS THE ENGAGEMENT, INVOLVEMENT AND ENDORSEMENT OF THE NRA, I THINK JUST PROVIDES A AN ADDITIONAL LAYER OF NOT JUST INSPIRES CONFIDENCE AND CREDIBILITY IN THE COMMUNITY, BUT PROVIDES AN ADDITIONAL LAYER OF PROTECTION SHOULD ANYONE SUE US. AND THAT WAS REALLY THE POINT I WAS MAKING. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER PETRANOFF. MR. SULLIVAN, CAN YOU GO THROUGH THAT APPROVAL PROCESS ONE MORE TIME? WHAT WHAT DOES PBC AND WHAT DO THEY DO? ARE YOU PROPOSING THAT THEY DO NOT SEE BECAUSE THEY'VE CAUGHT A LOT OF THINGS THAT THEN GO THROUGH STAFF AND GET APPROVED. SO, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE PEOPLE ON PAB ARE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY. THEY LIVE IN OUR CITY. AND THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT GREAT BACKGROUND. 
          OBVIOUSLY. I WANT, YOU KNOW, I, I WANT THE PAB TO SEE AS OUR ADVISORY BOARD AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. SO WHAT WHAT ARE THE PIECES THAT DO NOT GO THROUGH THERE. JUST I TRY TO GET MISS MARTIN TO ANSWER, BUT SHE DECLINED. SO THE, THE THE THE AIRPORT UTILIZATION PLAN, WHICH IS NOW BEING PLACED IN THE CODE, AS MR. YOUNG SAID, IS NOT CURRENTLY MENTIONED IN THE CODE. 
          IT'S MENTIONED IN THE COMP PLAN IS THE BRIDGE TO GET TO THE SITE PLAN REVIEW. THE SITE PLAN REVIEW IS THE LEGAL ENTITLEMENT DOCUMENT THAT WOULD ALLOW THE INDIVIDUAL PETITIONERS TO APPLY FOR BUILDING PERMITS AND GET THEM APPROVED. THE SITE PLAN REVIEW WOULD BE A SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS FOR THE AIRPORT PROPERTIES THAT WOULD GO THROUGH THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, THE VERSION OF THE DOCUMENTS YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU NOW HAVE THE AIRPORT UTILIZATION PLAN, WHICH IS SPECIFIED HERE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF COUNCIL SO THAT YOU'LL HAVE A CONTEXT WHEN YOU SEE THE SITE PLANS IS INTENDED TO BE REVIEWED INITIALLY BY STAFF, THE CITY MANAGER, FOR A CONFORMITY WITH THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU ULTIMATELY AGREED TO, THAT MATTHEW PUTS TOGETHER. AND THEN THAT COMES DIRECTLY TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR REVIEW, APPROVAL OR MODIFICATION, AND THAT BECOMES THE APPROVED UTILIZATION PLAN. AS MR. YOUNG WILL TELL YOU IN A MINUTE, ALL THE SITE PLANS HAVE TO CONFORM TO THE UTILIZATION PLAN. BUT BECAUSE THE UTILIZATION PLAN COMES FROM A GOVERNMENT ENTITY, THE AIRPORT AUTHORITY, TO A GOVERNMENT ENTITY, THE COUNCIL, IN THIS VERSION, WE DIDN'T ASK FOR THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD'S OPINION ABOUT WHAT THEY THOUGHT OF THE AIRPORT UTILIZATION PLAN. SINCE THIS WAS BEING CREATED TO MEET YOUR NEEDS AS AS THE MAYOR SAID, SO THAT WE ARE CLARIFYING THE PROCESS BY WHICH THE REQUIREMENTS IN THE COMP PLAN ARE ACTUALLY CODIFIED INTO A SITE PLAN. SO THE UTILIZATION PLAN IS A BRIDGE DOCUMENT. AND TO TO PUT A FINER POINT ON THAT IS THAT UTILIZATION PLAN WILL ACCOMPANY THE SITE PLAN THAT THE PAB WILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY UNDER THOSE CONDITIONS TO HAVE OPINED BOTH AT THE UTILIZATION PLAN, THE SITE PLAN IS SUBSTANTIALLY IN COMPLIANCE OR WHATEVER THE EXACT WORDING WE COME UP WITH, BUT THEY'LL STILL SEE IT BEFORE ANYTHING GETS DONE ON IT. THEY JUST WON'T SEE IT TWICE AND THEY DON'T SEE IT TWICE. NOW THEY'LL SEE IT AT THE SITE LEVEL TO SAY WAS IT APPROPRIATELY DEPICTED AND IS IT APPROPRIATELY? SHOULD IT BE REFERRED TO COUNCIL FOR THE SITE PLAN FOR YOUR FINAL APPROVAL, BUT TO HAVE PAB ON BOTH LEVELS WHEN THEY SAW IT ONE TIME BEFORE THE MOST MEANINGFUL TIME FOR PAB WAS, AT LEAST FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, WAS AT THE SITE PLAN CONSISTENT WITH THE NORMAL SITE PLAN, WHICH IS, SAY, PAB, AND THEN COUNCIL. THAT WAS WHY WE LEFT IT ON THE THE THAT ONE AND HAD THE GOVERNMENT, THE GOVERNMENT WITH PUTTING IN THE CRITERIA OF THE NEW EXPANDED, YOU KNOW, GEO SPATIAL POSITIONING AND ALL THE 
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OTHER ATTRIBUTES TO IT SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR COUNCIL TO OPINE ON THAT PART OF IT. SO THAT WAS KIND OF OUR THOUGHT. I MEAN, YOU CAN ALWAYS, YOU KNOW, AS A COUNCIL, DISAGREE AND SAY WE THINK THEY BOTH SHOULD GO TO PAB. I'LL DEFER THAT TO YOU. BUT WE WERE TRYING TO NOT MAKE IT MORE BURDENSOME ON, ON THE AIRPORT, BUT ALSO PUT A FINER POINT ON IT. BRING PAB IN. WHEN WE GOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE KNEW IT WAS A PROJECT, NOW YOU SEE IT BEFORE IT GOES TO COUNCIL. SO THAT WAS THE THOUGHT PROCESS. OKAY. WHEN WHEN YOU KNOW, THIS RASH OF OF DEVELOPMENT THAT IS IS CURRENTLY GOING ON AT THE AIRPORT THAT WE DISCUSSED A FEW MEETINGS AGO, I BELIEVE YOU, YOU WHEN YOU WERE ON PAB, MR. SULTAN, AS WELL AS MR. CROSS WHEN HE WAS BROUGHT UP SOME VERY GOOD POINTS THAT THAT WERE FLAGGED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HANGARS AND THE DEVELOPMENT OF HANGARS AND THERE WAS SPECIFICITY SAYING NO NEW HANGARS AND THERE WAS SOME FOIA REQUESTS WITH PEOPLE SAYING, YOU KNOW, THAT WERE ON IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT SAYING, YOU KNOW, I DON'T I DON'T THINK THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL DIDN'T WANT HANGARS. AND THEN WE WENT THROUGH THE PROCESS AND THEY'RE ADDING HANGARS. SO WOULD IT BE CAUGHT IN WITH ONE LOOK WITHIN PAB? I WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN WOULD YOU. 
          WELL I THINK IF I CAN, COUNCILMAN PETRA, I THINK WHAT, WHAT I'D RATHER DO IS LET'S HAVE MR. YOUNG HASN'T PRESENTED FORMALLY THE SITE PLAN CHANGES YET. I WOULD JUST SAY TO YOU, I HAVE GREAT RESPECT FOR THE PAB. IT WAS AN HONOR TO SERVE ON IT. IF I WAS LOOKING AT A UTILIZATION PLAN, I WOULD BE LOATH TO SAY MUCH ABOUT RECOMMENDING TO COUNCIL WHAT I THOUGHT THE AIRPORT WAS SAYING IN RESPONSE TO WHAT YOU WANTED, BECAUSE THAT SEEMS TO BE THE COUNCIL'S PREROGATIVE. AND THAT WAS MY THINKING. I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE PAB WOULD ADD TO THE UTILIZATION PLAN. AS MR. YOUNG SAID, WHEN THIS IS A SITE PLAN FOR A NEW HANGAR DEVELOPMENT OR A NEW HANGAR REDEVELOPMENT THAT TRIPS THE SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS, THEY WILL HAVE THE UTILIZATION PLAN. BECAUSE WE'RE NOW REQUIRING THE AIRPORT PETITIONERS TO INDICATE SPECIFICALLY WHICH UTILIZATION PLAN THIS PROJECT WAS COMES UNDER. SO THEN THEY'LL BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND MEASURE WHETHER THE SITE PLAN MEETS THE CRITERIA OF UTILIZATION PLAN BEFORE THEY GET TO THE SITE PLAN. AND I'M SORRY THAT, I MEAN, WE DECIDED TO DO IT SEQUENTIALLY, BUT THE SITE PLAN IS WHERE THE MEAT IS, BUT THE UTILIZATION PLAN IS IS THE AMUSE BOUCHE YOU NEED TO GET TO BEFORE YOU CAN GET TO TO THE SITE PLAN REVIEW. THAT'S WHERE WE WERE. ALL RIGHT. I HOPE THAT WAS HELPFUL. YES. THANK YOU. I NEED TO CLARIFY SOMETHING. I HEAR YOU SAY THAT THE UTILIZATION PLAN IS NOT MENTIONED IN THE CODE, BUT IT IS MENTIONED IN THE CODE UNDER 46. 33 A, IT MENTIONS A UTILIZATION PLAN. BECAUSE. I DIDN'T SAY THAT. YEAH, IT DOESN'T DEFINE IT OKAY. I JUST OKAY. I'M SORRY. YOU'RE RIGHT MAYOR. THE WHEN YOU WHEN YOU SEARCH THE YOU WHEN YOU SEARCH THE CODE FOR AIRPORT UTILIZATION PLAN, NOTHING COMES UP. THEY MENTIONED UTILIZATION PLAN, BUT THEY DON'T SAY WHAT THE UTILIZATION PLAN IS. AND ON THAT BASIS, AND I DON'T WANT TO CAST ASPERSIONS ON THAT BASIS. 
          YOU'VE HEARD THE NAR COME IN FRONT OF YOU AND SAY, WELL, THEREFORE YOU'VE ALREADY APPROVED SOMETHING BECAUSE IT WAS MENTIONED IN THIS. SO WE'RE WE'RE TRYING TO CLOSE THAT GAP. 
          SO THIS AIRPORT UTILIZATION PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU IS POSITIVELY NOT IN THE CODE. BUT YES, THERE WAS A MENTION OF A UTILIZATION PLAN. THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY I APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. I, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOES SAY THAT NAPLES CODE OF ORDINANCES, SECTION 4633 A ESTABLISHES THE INTENT OF THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS, WHICH IS TO REVIEW NEW MULTIPLE FAMILY NONRESIDENTIAL PRODUCT PROJECTS AND CITY BUILDING CODES, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND REGULATIONS FOR SUBMISSION FOR ZONING PETITIONS. AND IT INCLUDES THE C4 ZONING. CORRECT. ERICA. YES, BUT THE SITE PLAN REVIEW? YES IT DOES. I THINK THE DISTINCTION IS THEY HADN'T PREVIOUSLY BEEN BROUGHT TO COUNCIL BECAUSE IN THAT SITE PLAN SECTION, WHICH IS WHERE THIS IS ADDRESSED, WHICH IS THE PROCESS THAT WAS IDENTIFIED, THE ONLY SITE PLANS THAT GO TO CITY AND CITY COUNCIL ARE IN A PLAN DEVELOPMENT. OKAY. I JUST THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CLARIFY FOR YOU TODAY. WHAT IS THE ACTUAL PROCESS. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, BECAUSE I THINK THE MAYOR'S QUESTION AND I BELIEVE THE ANSWER IS NO, IS DOES 4633 
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A IN OUR CODE CURRENTLY LIST C4 OR UTILIZATION PLAN? IT DOESN'T LIST THAT SPECIFICALLY? NO. 
          CORRECT. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY. I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, MAYOR. IS IT IN APPENDIX A OR BECAUSE IT SAYS WHEN I JUST GOOGLED IT THAT THE CITY OF NAPLES CODE OF ORDINANCES OUTLINES UTILIZATION PLAN FOR THE C4 TO C4 AIRPORT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT, WHICH COVERS THE NAPLES MUNICIPAL AIRPORT. THE REGULATIONS MANDATE AN OVERALL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE AIRPORT. PROPERTIES MUST BE APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL BEFORE ANY CONSTRUCTION OR LAND USE CHANGES CAN OCCUR, SO IT'S NOT MENTIONED IN 4633, WHICH IS THE SITE PLAN SECTION OF YOUR CODE, BUT IT'S LISTED IT'S MENTIONED IN THE C IN CHAPTER 58, WHICH IS ZONING AND PROVIDES REGULATIONS FOR EACH OF THE INDIVIDUAL ZONING DISTRICTS. RIGHT. IT'S LISTED IN THE C4 SECTION. SO THE SITE PLAN PROCESS DOES NOT SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS OKAY, THE IT IS IN THE CODE, BUT IT IS PROVIDED IN THE C4 DISTRICTS. 
          THAT BUT IT AGAIN IS NOT DEFINED. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WE'RE STRIVING FOR OKAY. THANK YOU. YES. VICE MAYOR. YEAH. JUST FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU BOTH FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE ON THIS AND FOR OUR CITY ATTORNEY AND PROBABLY MR. YOUNG AS WELL. WHEN I LOOK AT THIS AND JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M LEVEL SET, WE'VE GOT THE DEFINITIONS IN FRONT OF US RIGHT NOW. AND THEN WE HAVE SECTION 4633 A THE SITE PLAN REVIEW. HAVE WE TOUCHED ON THE SITE PLAN REVIEW FOR DISCUSSION YET. NO THAT'S TO COME. YES. RIGHT. SO I'M RESTRICTING MY COMMENTS TO THE DEFINITIONS. AND FIRST I WANT TO SAY THAT IN MANY UP HERE WHO'VE DEALT WITH THESE MATTERS, THEY PROBABLY SEE, LIKE I DO, THAT THIS IS A HUGE IMPROVEMENT JUST THROUGH THE DEFINITION. MAN, THAT'S IT'S SUCH A BIG A BIG IMPROVEMENT. IT'S AND IT SHOWS FOR ME, IT SHOWS A COLLABORATION BETWEEN THE CITY OF NAPLES AND THE NAR. BUT THIS IS FOR THE BENEFIT OF NAPLES RESIDENTS AND THE NAPLES MUNICIPAL AIRPORT. THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I'M THINKING IS GOING ON HERE. AND AGAIN, I SAID IT'S A HUGE IMPROVEMENT COMPARED TO WHAT THE CITY WAS USING AS OFFICIAL PLANNING DOCUMENTS. AND MORE SPECIFICALLY, THE AIRPORT UTILIZATION PLAN. NOW, THE ONLY COMMENT I'LL MAKE, AND THIS IS OVERREACHING, BUT IT INCLUDES THESE DEFINITIONS. AND MY ASK IS THAT THE FIRST TIME A UTILIZATION PLAN IS BROUGHT FORWARD, ADHERING TO THESE DEFINITIONS? RIGHT. THERE'S GOING TO BE A TIME WHEN A DOCUMENT COMES FORWARD AND IT ADHERES TO WHAT WE READ IN THESE DEFINITIONS. BUT THE FIRST TIME THAT HAPPENS, THAT INCLUDES THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS, WHICH WE HAVEN'T COVERED YET. COMPLYING THE ADHERING TO THE DEFINITIONS IN COMPLYING WITH A SUBSEQUENT ORDINANCE. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE YET, BUT THERE'S GOING TO BE A TIME COMING WHEN THAT FIRST UTILIZATION PLAN WE NEED TO IT'LL BE, IN MY OPINION, IT WILL BE CRITICALLY IMPORTANT TO VERIFY THE DETAILS ASSOCIATED WITH ALL THE ELEMENTS JUST DESCRIBED. IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE CASTING NOW. WE'RE BEING VERY DEFINITIVE IN THROWING OUT THIS NET TO WITH VERY CLEAR DEFINITIONS. SO WHATEVER MAKES IT ON TO THE UTILIZATION PLAN, ADHERING TO ALL THIS, WE JUST BE APPROPRIATE. AND I WANT TO ONE THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT IS UNDER THE DEFINITIONS OF THE AIRPORT UTILIZATION PLAN ITEM TWO, ALL PROJECTS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THE CITY OF NAPLES THAT HAVE NOT BEEN BEGUN CONSTRUCTION. THAT'S JUST THE FIRST SENTENCE. AND IT TALKS ABOUT PROJECTS THAT ARE IN 0 TO 5 YEARS OR FIVE YEARS PLUS. SO THIS IS WHERE WE FINALLY DO A UTILIZATION PLAN WILL HAVE, I THINK, ONE PLACE TO IDENTIFY ALL THESE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AND EVEN GOES. IT DOESN'T SAY HOW LONG FIVE YEARS PLUS GOES, BUT IT, IT IT CAPTURES IT IN THE NET THAT WE'RE THROWING OUT BY USING THESE NEW AND IMPROVED 
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DEFINITIONS. AND I JUST DEEPLY APPRECIATE THAT. AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT, NOT JUST THE CITY OF NAPLES, BUT THE STATE GOVERNMENT AND COMPLIANCE WITH SB 250, AND I THINK 180 AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. I COME FROM OKLAHOMA ORIGINALLY, AND THERE WAS A GUY NAMED WILL ROGERS WHO CAME FROM OKLAHOMA, AND HE SAID, YOU KNOW, I DON'T MAKE JOKES. I JUST WATCH THE GOVERNMENT AND REPORT THE FACTS. AND SOMETIMES YOU JUST CAN'T MAKE THIS STUFF UP. YOU JUST YOU LIVE AMONG IT AND YOU'RE LIVING WHILE IT'S HAPPENING. BUT I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK THAT'S GONE ON IN DEVELOPING THIS. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER, JUST REAL QUICK. I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY FOR THIS AND AND AMPLIFY WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE THE FRAMEWORK, THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENTATION, THAT UTILIZATION PLAN, WHICH WE THOUGHT WAS GOOFY AND LOOKED LIKE CLIP ART AND ALL THAT, THAT WE NEED TO AMPLIFY THAT, THAT FRAMEWORK, THAT SCAFFOLDING WAS, WAS PROVIDED BY THE FAA AND THAT WAS BETWEEN THE FAA AND THE AIRPORT. AND SO I THINK THAT. HOPEFULLY AMELIORATES SOME OF THE HARD FEELINGS, TENSION, WHATEVER TOWARDS THE AIRPORT WHEN THAT THE WHOLE INTENT WAS THAT WAS NEVER TO BE IN FRONT OF THIS BODY, BUT IT WAS BETWEEN THEM AND THE FAA. AND I THINK THAT'S THANK YOU FOR AMPLIFYING THAT. WELL, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS IN THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. ERICA AND THE CITY MANAGERS SPENT A LOT OF TIME THINKING THIS THROUGH. AS SOMEONE SAID, HE'S A CLEAR THINKER. HE'S HE SAW THIS PRETTY CLEARLY. YEAH, WELL, THANKS FOR DOING THE TALKING. 
          YES. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT DEFINITIONS THAT ARE CODE AND THAT THE COMP PLAN MENTIONED MENTIONED A MASTER, AN AIRPORT MASTER PLAN, AND WE'RE CHANGING SOME OF THIS TO BE CONSISTENT SO THAT WHEN WE APPROVE THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN AND AS A COUNCIL AND THE UTILIZATION PLAN, THAT THOSE ARE OUR DOCUMENTS THAT THE CODE CURRENTLY SAYS WE APPROVE. AND THEN THERE'S A. MR. MCCONNELL AND THEN THAT THERE IS A AIRPORT MASTER PLAN DEFINITION, WHICH IS THE DOCUMENT THAT GOES TO THE FAA. CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          THE LATTER PART IS CORRECT. AIRPORT MASTER PLAN IS AN FAA DOCUMENT ALONG WITH FDOT. 
          AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN IS STRICTLY AN FAA DOCUMENT. AIRPORT UTILIZATION PLAN IS STRICTLY A CITY DOCUMENT, SO THE CITY COUNCIL TO YOUR FIRST POINT, MAYOR, I DON'T THINK THIS IS DRAFTED TO WHERE THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVES THE MASTER PLAN BECAUSE THE MASTER PLAN IS APPROVED BY FDOT AND FAA. I NEED CLARIFICATION ON THAT BECAUSE TO MY UNDERSTANDING, WE APPROVE A MASTER PLAN BECAUSE THAT IS THE OVERALL DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IN THE CODE SAYS SHOULD ONLY BE 40% LOT COVERAGE. AND THEN THERE'S A SEPARATE MASTER PLAN, AIRPORT MASTER PLAN THAT GOES TO THE FAA. MR. YOUNG, I'M SORRY, I THINK SO. YOU'RE NOT SPEAKING OF WHERE IT'S REFERRED TO IN THE COMP PLAN AS MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH IS ALSO KNOWN AS THE. WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET. YOU'RE CLEARING THAT UP BECAUSE, YEAH, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE OUT THE FACT THAT THEY PRESENT A MASTER PLAN TO US. YEAH, RIGHT. BUT AS WAS ARTICULATED IN THE EARLIER PRESENTATION, IS THE MASTER PLAN ITSELF IS PRESENTED TO YOU, BUT NOT ADOPTED BY YOU. THERE WAS THE MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN WITHIN THE COMP PLAN. AND IN CERTAIN LANGUAGES HERE THAT IS BEEN SYNONYMOUS WITH OR ACCUSED AS THE UTILIZATION PLAN AND WHY. 
          THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS WE PUT THE DEFINITIONS TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN THE TWO, WHICH WERE THE FAA TITLED OR LABELED PLANS, AND THEN WHERE OURS OVERLAP. THEN THERE WAS A AGAIN, YOU HAVE THE MASTER AIRPORT MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND UTILIZATION PLAN BEING SYNONYMOUS AT TIMES, BUT BEING VOID AT TIMES IN CLARITY AS TO WHAT THEY WERE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE IT'S NOT BEING VOIDED BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING THEY'RE THE SAME. NOW THAT THERE STILL IS A MASTER PLAN, I'LL LET ERICA. SHE KNOWS THERE IS. SO THERE THEY ARE, TWO SEPARATE THINGS, I THINK, WHERE THIS IS THE CONFUSION COMES IN AND THIS 
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IS WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO CLARIFY. SO THE WAY IT'S WORDED IN THAT 58 682, WHICH IS THE C4 DISTRICT WHERE IT LAYS OUT THIS PROCESS, SAYS, PROVIDED THAT AN OVERALL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR ALL AIRPORT PROPERTIES IS FIRST SUBMITTED TO THE CITY PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD FOR A RECOMMENDATION AND IS THEN APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL. BUT IT REFERS TO CHAPTER 46. 
          THAT'S THE UTILIZATION PLAN. SO THAT'S THAT'S KIND OF THE PROBLEM IS THAT TERM MASTER PLAN IS USED THROUGHOUT THE COMP PLAN. AND THE CODE TO AN APPLIED AND TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS. THIS IS THE UTILIZATION PLAN. SO THE UTILIZATION PLAN IS THE DOCUMENT THAT WE'VE WE'VE CLARIFIED HERE THAT WILL BE THAT SHOWS PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT EXISTING DEVELOPMENT. IT'S ESSENTIALLY THE ZONING MAP FOR THE AIRPORT. THAT'S THE UTILIZATION PLAN UNFORTUNATELY REFERRED TO HERE AS THE OVERALL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. THAT IS SEPARATE AND APART FROM WHAT IS THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN. THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN IS PRESENTED TO CITY COUNCIL, BUT IT ISN'T APPROVED TO YOU THAT WE HAVEN'T APPROVED A MASTER PLAN FOR THE AIRPORT. I WAS JUST LOOKING TO SEE WHEN THE LAST TIME WAS. THEY PROVIDED A DRAFT OF A MASTER PLAN UPDATE IN 2021, NOT SPECIFICALLY FOR COUNCIL'S APPROVAL. THEY PROVIDED THE DRAFT, I THINK, BEFORE IT EVER GOT TO CITY COUNCIL. IT WAS PULLED BECAUSE THEY HAD JUST INITIATED THE NOISE STUDY, AND SO THEY WANTED TO INCORPORATE ALL OF THAT AND COME BACK LATER. SO THAT MASTER PLAN UPDATE IN 2021 WAS NEVER ACTUALLY BROUGHT TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. SO WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT THE LAST TIME CITY COUNCIL LOOKED AT A MASTER PLAN. I CAN FIND OUT THE DATE, BUT THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE DOCUMENTS. SO THE MASTER PLAN LOOKS AT AND I WOULD LEAVE THIS UP TO THE AIRPORT EXPERTS TO TELL YOU MORE ABOUT THIS, BUT THAT'S LOOKING AT STUFF WAY BEYOND ESSENTIALLY THE ZONING. SO THAT'S NOT JUST DEVELOPMENT. 
          THAT'S ALL SORTS OF FACTORS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT IN THE MASTER PLAN. AND THAT IS THAT THAT IS THROUGH THE FAA. RIGHT. SO WE THERE WILL STILL BE A MASTER PLAN AT THE AIRPORT, BUT IT IS NOT GOING TO BE THE DOCUMENT THAT IS BROUGHT TO YOU EVERY FIVE YEARS TO REFLECT WHAT HAS BEEN BUILT, WHAT MAY BE BUILT AND STUFF LIKE THAT. OKAY, THAT'S WHERE MY CLARIFICATION IS. I JUST DON'T WANT THESE TERMINOLOGIES TO GO AWAY BECAUSE AND IF YOU CAN GET BACK TO ME ON THE LAST TIME, THAT MASTER PLAN WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED, BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT RIGHT NOW UNLESS I MAKE A COMMENT ON WHAT YOU JUST SAID. YES. SO THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE TO RELY ON DEFINITIONS, RIGHT? SO THAT WE'RE VERY CLEAR. AND JUST IN THIS DISCUSSION BETWEEN THE MAYOR AND AND ERICA, THE TERMS USED WERE UTILIZATION PLAN, AIRPORT MASTER PLAN AND MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. OKAY. SO NOW I GO TO THE DEFINITIONS AND IT HAS AN AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN. IT HAS AN AIRPORT MASTER PLAN AND IT HAS AN AIRPORT UTILIZATION PLAN. I DON'T SEE A MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND WHAT THAT MEANS AND WHO HAS AUTHORITY ON IT. BUT WHAT I DO SEE IS THIS. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE AIRPORT UTILIZATION PLAN A DOCUMENT PREPARED BY THE NAR IN WHICH IT CAN IT IN WHICH IT CONFIRMS, I THINK WE CONFORMS OR IS IT CONFIRMED? EXCUSE ME. I INTEND TO CONFIRMS. IT'S CONFIRMS. YEAH, BUT. OKAY. PLEASE FINISH UP. I'LL CIRCLE IN WHICH IT CONFIRMS IS IN SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH THE APPROVED AIRPORT MASTER PLAN AND AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN AND SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL. 
          SO IT SAYS AIRPORT MASTER PLAN AND AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL. ARE WE ACCURATE WITH THAT? THEN THAT'S IF THAT WASN'T THE INTENTION OF THE DRAFTING THE. I'M GOING TO BACK UP FOR A SECOND. ONE OF THE POINTS WE HAVEN'T AGREED TO WITH THE AIRPORT IS THE AIRPORT SAID THEY WOULD PREFER THAT WE NOT ASK THAT THE UTILIZATION PLAN THAT YOU'LL SEE CORRELATES BACK TO THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN AND THE AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN, BECAUSE THEY'RE FAA DOCUMENTS IN THE DRAFT IN FRONT OF YOU. 
          SO FAR AS THE DRAFTER HERE, I DECLINED TO AGREE WITH THEM. I FELT THAT THEY SHOULD ATTEST, AT LEAST, THAT WHAT THEY'RE PRESENTING IN THEIR UTILIZATION PLAN CONFORMS TO THE FAA DOCUMENTS, BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK WE WERE COMPETENT TO SAY THAT THE MASTER PLAN, AIRPORT MASTER PLAN, OR AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN CONFORM TO THE FAA AND IS, AS THE COUNCIL SAID, THE FDOT REQUIREMENTS. BUT I FELT IT WAS PERTINENT FOR YOU TO HAVE THAT ASSURANCE, AT LEAST FROM THE NAR. IT WAS NOT MY INTENTION THAT YOU WOULD APPROVE THOSE DOCUMENTS, BUT THAT THAT THE THE AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN AND THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN WERE IN FACT SOURCE DOCUMENTS THAT THE FAA WAS RELYING ON WHEN THEY SUBMITTED THEIR AIRPORT UTILIZATION PLAN. AND I 
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APOLOGIZE IF THE DRAFTING IS NOT CLEAR. AS THE CITY ATTORNEY SAID, IT'LL BE IMPROVED IN THE NEXT VERSION. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. CELLPHONE. THAT THAT CLEARS THAT UP. BUT RIGHT NOW, WHAT I SEE IN FRONT OF US, UNLESS IT CHANGES BOTH THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN AND THE AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN ARE SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF THE CITY COUNCIL. SO IS THAT ARE WE SAYING THAT'S CHANGED? YEAH, IT'S IT'S A RESOURCE. RIGHT. GOT IT. EVERY ONE OF THESE DOCUMENTS HAS A DIFFERENT PURPOSE AND A DIFFERENT BODY TO SUBMIT IT TO. YEAH. FROM THE AIRPORT'S POSITION, THE AIRPORT LAYOUT PLAN IS SOMETHING THAT CHANGES PRETTY REGULARLY. RIGHT. 
          BUT IT'S AMENDMENTS TO IT. IT'S NOT SO. SO THE REALITY IS IS THESE TO MR. CELLPHONES POINT THESE SHOULD BE UTILIZED AS RESOURCES BECAUSE THEY MAY BE ABLE TO PULL INFORMATION FROM THESE THROUGH THE UTILIZATION PLAN PROCESS. WE DON'T WANT TO TAKE ON THE BURDEN OF SAYING THIS COMPLIES OR NOT, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT FDOT AND WE'RE NOT FAA. AND TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION ABOUT OVERALL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN, THE REASON IT'S NOT HERE IS BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WE NEED TO CLEAN UP THE CODE, BECAUSE THAT ACTUALLY MEANS UTILIZATION PLAN. AT LEAST THAT'S THE WAY THE CITY'S BEEN INTERPRETING IT. BECAUSE IF YOU DON'T, THEN THERE IS NOTHING IN 58, SIX, 82 THAT EVEN REFERENCES UTILIZATION PLAN. RIGHT. SO THAT'S PART OF THE CLEANUP THAT WE'RE DOING IS WE WANT THESE THREE DEFINITIONS TO BE IN THE COMP PLAN AND THE CODE. SUPER CLEAR. NO CONFUSION. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO THE ENTITIES THAT WE DEAL WITH ARE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, THE NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY, THE FAA, I GUESS. WILL THEY CONTINUE TO USE ALL THREE TERMS UTILIZATION PLAN, MASTER PLAN, MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. NO NO NO. NOT MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. UTILIZATION PLAN OKAY WILL BE THE TERMS. ALL RIGHT. I JUST NEED TO BE CLEAR ON WHERE WE'RE GOING WITH THAT. THANK YOU. I WOULD JUST SUGGEST THAT WE GO BACK TO. THERE WERE MANY SECTIONS OF THE CODE CHANGED, AND I NEED TO CONFIRM THAT IN 98, THERE WAS A RESOLUTION THAT SAID GENERAL DEVELOPMENT AND SITE PLAN PETITIONS. SO WHAT DID THAT MEAN AND ARE WE NOT? IS GENERAL DEVELOPMENT OR VERSUS MASTER PLAN DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE. WHEN THAT CODE CHANGED, IT SAID CONSIDER GENERAL DEVELOPMENT AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF THE NAPLES AIRPORT MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN. SO THIS GOES WAY BACK. THANK YOU ERICA. TO ME THAT'S THE UTILIZATION PLAN BECAUSE THAT IS THE PLAN THAT REFLECTS EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. OKAY. SO IT IS AN AIRPORT MASTER PLAN IS MUCH MORE THAN A GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AN AIRPORT MASTER PLAN REVIEWS. AND I CAN AGAIN, I'M NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE TO AN EXPERT ON ANY OF THIS STUFF, BUT I HAVE A DOCUMENT HERE THAT THE FAA PROVIDED ME IN 2019 WITH RESPECT TO THE AIRPORT MASTER PLAN. THAT GIVES A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ON WHAT A MASTER PLAN IS. BUT LIKE I SAID, THE DEVELOPMENT, THE GENERAL DEVELOPMENT IS JUST A SMALL PART OF THAT. THAT IS WHAT YOUR AIRPORT UTILIZATION PLAN PROVIDES TO YOU. DEVELOPMENT, CURRENT. CURRENT DEVELOPMENT, FUTURE DEVELOPMENT, PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT THAT IS ALL INTENDED TO BE CAPTURED ON YOUR UTILIZATION PLAN. I DON'T KNOW WHY THE TERM UTILIZATION PLAN WAS NOT ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED IN THE C4 DISTRICT, OR AND I CAN'T EXPLAIN THAT TO YOU. I WASN'T I WASN'T HERE WHEN THOSE WERE WRITTEN. BUT THAT IS THE DOCUMENT. THE WHAT WE REFER TO AS THE UTILIZATION PLAN IS, IS THAT GENERAL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THE AIRPORT. OKAY. AND THE EMPHASIS, MADAM MAYOR, FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE, IS TO NOT DISCOUNT WHAT WAS WRITTEN BEFORE, BUT TO SAY IF IT WAS WRITTEN AND IT LED YOU TO TWO WORDS BEING USED SYNONYMOUS WITH ONE ANOTHER, DID THEY DO NOT EXIST ANY LONGER? AND THAT THE CLARITY IN THE DEFINITIONS TELLS YOU WHAT IT WAS REPLACED WITH. AND SO TO YOUR POINT, AND I THINK WHAT YOU WERE SAYING IS, IS MAKE SURE THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE IN THE CODE THAT IT REFERS TO SOMETHING THAT IS NOW NO LONGER GOING TO BE USED IN THAT WAY, BECAUSE IF IT WAS USED, IF WE FOUND WHERE ONE WORD WOULD USE SYNONYMOUS WITH ANOTHER, THAT SAME WORD COULD BE USED FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT SOMEWHERE ELSE. AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT MISALIGNS THAT BY THAT DEFINITION GOING AWAY. SO I HOPE THAT I'VE SUMMARIZED THAT IN A, YOU KNOW, WE WILL CONTINUE TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT THAT IS THE CASE, MA'AM. THAT'S EXACTLY IT. I'M GLAD THAT AFTER 56 YEARS, WE'VE GOTTEN CLARITY. OKAY. SO ARE WE GOOD TO GO ON TO SITE PLAN. IS THERE ANY OTHER THINGS. YES. 
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OKAY. ALL RIGHT. SO FROM THE SITE PLAN PERSPECTIVE WE ALREADY DID TOUCH ON THIS PART, WHICH IS THAT THAT THE SITE PLAN PETITIONS GO TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD FOR RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL. BUT THAT THE AIRPORT UTILIZATION WOULD NOT GO TO PAB FIRST. THAT WAS THE ONE ITEM 46 I NEVER USED THE WORD, BUT I DID THAT TWICE. NOW 4633 C3 ELIMINATES RESTRIPING PROJECTS FROM THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL. THIS WAS A REQUEST FROM NA AND THAT THE RESTRIPING TYPICALLY IS MORE RELEVANT TO CITY SITE PLANS TO WATCH FOR PETITIONERS, RESTRIPING PARKING LOTS AND CREATING SPACES. WE DIDN'T THINK THE STRIPING WAS THAT SIGNIFICANT TO REQUIRE THAT TO GO TO PAB AND THAT TO GO TO THE OTHER. SO THAT WAS THAT WAS THEIR REQUEST. AND QUITE FRANKLY, WE AGREED WITH THAT. WAIT, I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT STRIPING HAD TO DO WITH THE RUNWAY. WELL, THERE'S THERE'S A SECOND SEPARATE COMPONENT TO THAT, ADDING A SENTENCE CONFIRMING THAT THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL IS NOT REQUIRED FOR REOCCURRING MAINTENANCE PROJECTS MANDATED BY THE FAA. SO BOTH CAN HAPPEN. YOU CAN HAVE MANDATED STRIPING AND SIGNAGE AND VARIOUS THINGS. IT'S JUST DEPENDS ON HOW IT GOES. BUT WE JUST BELIEVED, AT LEAST AT DRAFT, THAT THERE WAS NO REASON NOT TO CONCUR WITH AN AA ON THOSE ITEMS. THEN MADAM MAYOR, IN IN FOUR WE'VE LEFT IN THE. EXCUSE ME, MR. YOUNG, ANY MODIFICATION OR EXTENSION OF ANY RUNWAY OR TAXIWAY IS STILL UNDER SITE PLAN REVIEW. THAT'S HOW WE ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF OF PAINT ON THE ON THE PAVEMENT. HOW WHERE IS THAT. THAT'S EXACTLY WHERE I WAS GOING. IT'S IN C4 4633 A C4. ANY MODIFICATION OR EXTENSION OF ANY RUNWAY OR TAXIWAY. THAT STILL WOULD COME TO YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. SORRY FOR THE INTERRUPTION. NO, IT'S ALL RELEVANT, MAYOR. THAT'S THE RESTRIPING OF A RUNWAY WAS A PROBLEM IN THE PAST, AND WE'RE TRYING TO PROTECT THAT. BUT AS MR. YOUNG SAID, IN THE SPIRIT OF COLLEGIALITY, WE'RE TRYING NOT TO GET BETWEEN THE FAA AND THE FAA IN YOUR SITE PLAN REVIEW PROCESS. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. AND THEN THE NEXT SECTION, 4633 E IT JUST CLARIFIES THAT NO DESIGN REVIEW, BOARD FINAL APPROVAL OR BUILDING PERMIT CAN BE ISSUED BEFORE THE SITE PLAN PETITION IS APPROVED BY COUNCIL. THAT'S JUST CONFIRMING THAT. AND THEN 4633 H ELIMINATE CLAUSE ENCOURAGING LOGIC AND IMAGINATION, INNOVATION AND VARIETY IN THE DESIGN. AND AGAIN IT'S CONSIDERED TO BE REDUNDANT WITH THE DRB STANDARDS. SO THERE WAS NO REASON TO HAVE IT THERE AND THEN ADDED THE WORD EXPECTED TO THE CERTAIN CRITERIA. RECOGNIZING THESE FUTURE PROJECTS. AND THAT WAS REQUESTED BY THE NAR. AND THEN ADDITIONAL CLARIFYING LANGUAGE. SO THE CRUX OF IT IS AND HERE'S WHERE IT REALLY COMES DOWN TO WHEN WE SAY ALIGNING THE CODE WITH THE COMP PLAN. COMP PLAN SIMPLY STATED, SAYS SITE PLANS FOR AIRPORT WILL GO BACK TO TO COUNCIL. AND EVEN THOUGH THAT WASN'T THE PROCESS AS IDENTIFIED BY THE ATTORNEY LETTER, BUT NOWHERE DOES IT REFER TO WHAT THAT PROCESS WOULD BE. SO THIS ATTEMPTS TO TAKE THAT SITE PLAN THINGS THAT WERE THE SITE PLAN THAT WAS THERE, MAKE IT SPECIFIC TO THE AIRPORT WHILE RECOGNIZING THAT CERTAIN CRITERIA REDEVELOPMENT UNDER 1000FT DOESN'T HAVE TO COME SO THAT IT WAS REASONABLE. 
          BECAUSE IF YOU GO ON THE STRICT INTERPRETATION OF THE COMP PLAN MANDATES AND WE DON'T DEFINE ANYTHING, WHAT AM I SENDING BACK? EVERYTHING. SO THIS IS A WAY TO SAY THERE HAS TO BE A REASONABLENESS TEST. THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE WHILE PROVIDING A PATH FOR THOSE ITEMS THAT WE THINK ARE SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH OR MEET NORMAL BUILDING CRITERIA SPECIFIC TO THE AIRPORT. SO THAT'S THE ATTEMPT OF THIS, AND I'LL DEFER TO ANYBODY ELSE TO MAKE ANY OTHER STATEMENT. ANY OTHER COMMENTS. NO. YES. NO. I JUST AGAIN COMMEND EVERYONE FOR THE WORK ON THIS. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOW, THE SITE PLAN REVIEW. RIGHT. AND SO THIS IS PART OF THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT PRIMARILY. AND THE CITY MANAGER HAS A ROLE IN THIS. BUT ITEM D TWO. NO I'M SORRY THREE. AND I THINK IT'S D. YEAH D A B C D. AND THAT ONE READS. EXPECTED IMPACT BY AIR TRAFFIC GENERATED BY THE PROJECT ON FLIGHT PATTERNS. AND OR NOISE IMPACT 
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OF FLIGHT OPERATIONS. SO WHAT I'M MY POINT HERE IS THIS. THIS IS GOING TO BE THAT ITEM D THE EXPECTED IMPACT I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE GET THAT INFORMATION. IS THAT COMING. IS THAT A COLLABORATION WITH THE AIRPORT. THEY'RE GOING TO ATTEST. SO THESE ARE ALL GOING TO BE THE CRITERIA. SO WHEN THEY SUBMIT THEIR PLAN THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PROVIDE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE TO ANSWER ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS. THEY PROVIDE HOW THEY ARE MEETING THESE CRITERIA. 
          THEY'LL PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO THE CITY IN THEIR APPLICATION. YEAH. 
          THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE GOING TO STIPULATE HOW THEY'RE GOING TO MEET THE CRITERIA. SO THEY WILL PROVIDE WHAT THE EXPECTED IMPACT WILL BE OF THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT. AND WHATEVER THEY PROVIDE. IS THAT THEN CRITICALLY REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, OR IS THAT FOR US TO DIGEST? WITH MY EXPERTISE IN AIR TRAFFIC NOISE? YES, WE WILL. I MEAN, REALISTICALLY, WE WILL PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO COUNCIL FOR YOU TO DETERMINE. THAT'S GOOD STUFF. THANK YOU. YEAH. VICE CHAIR IF IF IF VICE MAYOR EXCUSE ME IF I, IF I COULD WHAT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO HERE IS A DIFFICULT POINT. BUT WHAT WE THOUGHT COUNCIL WAS LOOKING FOR, WHICH IS SOMEONE TO LOOK AT HOW THEY USE A HANGAR AND WHETHER IT'S A FLIGHT SCHOOL, WHETHER IT'S AN EXECUTIVE USER OR WHETHER IT'S A DESTINATION AIR TAXI OPERATOR, WHERE THEY WOULD HAVE TO TELL YOU WHAT THE IMPACT WOULD BE FROM THE PARTICULAR USER OF THE FACILITY SO YOU COULD EVALUATE IT. NOT SAYING ONE'S BETTER OR WORSE THAN THE OTHER, BUT THAT'S THAT'S THE INFORMATION WE WERE ATTEMPTING TO TO CULL HERE, WHICH I UNDERSTOOD WAS WHAT YOU ALL WANTED WHEN YOU WERE REVIEWING SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENTS THERE. SO YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT. AND THAT'S THAT'S SQUARE. I THINK THAT'S SPOT ON. AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT STRUCTURES. YOU KNOW, AS AN EXAMPLE, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AIRPORT STRUCTURES AND STUFF. BUT RUNWAYS TO RIGHT RIGHT. SOMEBODY'S GOING TO ADD RUNWAY. WELL WHAT'S THE IMPACT GOING TO BE ON NOISE AND AND ADDITIONAL FLIGHTS AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. SO WE'RE GOING TO LEARN MORE THAN NOISE AND NOISE AND POLLUTION. IF YOU WANT TO THINK OF EVERYTHING, THERE YOU GO. BUT YEAH. AND THEY ADDED THE WORD. THEY ASKED US TO ADD THE WORD EXPECTED BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO GIVE THEMSELVES SOME WIGGLE ROOM. AND WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE THESE ARE PROJECTIONS COMING FROM THEM. WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A REASONABLE REQUEST. THANK YOU. 
          I ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I WELL, I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS. YES. GO AHEAD. SO. POINT OF OF INFORMATION ON ON THIS FROM A PROCESS STANDPOINT. YOU KNOW I COULDN'T MAKE A NUMBER OF COMMENTS OR SUGGESTIONS ON FOR EXAMPLE, THE CRITERIA THAT WAS JUST REFERRED TO. BUT I'M ASSUMING THIS IS NOT THE MOMENT TO DO THAT. WE'RE GOING TO BE THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE AT SOME POINT WE'LL STAFF WILL BE GETTING BACK TO US WITH A DRAFT, A SET OF DRAFT ORDINANCES AND CODE CHANGES THAT WOULD INCORPORATE YOUR BEST THINKING. WHAT'S HERE AND ADDITIONAL THINKING THAT WILL GO ON BETWEEN NOW AND THEN. AND THAT WOULD BE THE TIME IN WHICH WE WOULD OFFER UP OUR REACTIONS TO SPECIFICS. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. IF WE CAN GET GENERAL CONSENSUS THAT THAT THIS COUNCIL BELIEVES WE'RE HEADING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION WITH THESE DRAFTS, I THINK THAT IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT AS A MEMBER OF COUNCIL, YOU WANT TO CONVEY, YOU'RE ALWAYS WELCOME TO, YOU KNOW, WRITE AN EMAIL, OF COURSE, TO TO CORRESPOND SOMETHING TO US. 
          BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR US TO RECONVENE ONCE WE GET THAT DONE, TO HAVE ANOTHER ROUND TABLE DISCUSSION WITH NA AND THEN ALLOW FOR THAT OPPORTUNITY AND THEN BRING IT BACK TO YOU AND, AND HOPEFULLY GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE'RE AT, YOU KNOW, EITHER, IF NOT THE FINAL VERSION, ONE VERSION AWAY FROM THE FINAL VERSION TO GET THIS MOVING FORWARD BY ALL PARTIES. YEAH, I CERTAINLY THINK YOU'RE ON THE RIGHT TRACK. AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK THIS IS THE TIME TO GET INTO MINUTIA. SO YOU CERTAINLY HAVE MY SUPPORT. MADAM MAYOR BARTON. 
          YEAH, AS WE'VE ALL SAID, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE EFFORTS HERE. THIS IS A GREAT EXAMPLE OF OF THE DETAILS AND NUANCES AND, AND LANGUAGE AND LEGALESE AND, AND FRANKLY, THE MINUTIA 
          [03:15:03]
THAT, THAT IT GOES INTO TRY TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT WAS A RELATIVE GENERAL OBJECTIVE ON OUR BEHALF TO TRY TO GAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE CONTROL ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THE AIRPORT. WITH THAT SAID, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS JUST REAL QUICK FOCUS IN ON WHAT I FEEL LIKE ON THIS SITE. PLAN REVIEW WHAT WHAT YOU GUYS DID REALLY WELL FROM A LANGUAGE STANDPOINT AND ACCOMPLISHING WHAT WE WANTED TO TO ACCOMPLISH AS A COUNCIL. AND THAT IS SPECIFICALLY. SECTION 46 33A AND IF YOU READ THAT TO JUMP TO BE, THE CITY COUNCIL SHALL HAVE FINAL REVIEW OF FUTURE DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS IN THE C4 AIRPORT COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. ACCORDING TO THE BUILDING CODE, FIRE SAFETY CODE, LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND OTHER APPLICABLE REGULATIONS ADMINISTERED BY THE CITY PRIOR TO THE SUBMISSION OF PLANS FOR BUILDING PERMIT REVIEW, PETITIONS WILL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD FOR RECOMMENDATION PRIOR TO BEING PRESENTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR FINAL APPROVAL. IT'S REALLY LOOK AT THAT LAST THOSE LAST FEW WORDS, FINAL APPROVAL, WHICH IS WHAT WE WERE LOOKING FOR AS A COUNCIL TO BENEFIT OUR COMMUNITY, BENEFIT OUR CITY. IN REFERENCE TO HOW THE THE THE AIRPORT IS, THE FACILITY OVER THERE IS RUN. AND IF WE IF WE JUMP DOWN JUST A BIT FURTHER, IF YOU'LL INDULGE ME, IF YOU JUMP TO NUMBER ONE THERE UNDERNEATH IT SAYS A NEW PRINCIPAL BUILDING OR STRUCTURE PERIOD. WE WERE GOING TO PUT A SQUARE FOOTAGE THERE, BUT WE DIDN'T. A NEW PRINCIPAL BUILDING OR STRUCTURE. SO ANY STRUCTURE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BE A FINAL APPROVAL WITH US. 
          THE NEXT ONE SAYS AN ADDITIONAL, AN ADDITION TO AN EXISTING STRUCTURE IS GREATER THAN 1000FT■!S. SO IF THEY'RE GOING O BE CHANGING, THAT'S THAT'S THE VICE MAYOR HAD MENTIONED EARLIER THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DEVELOPMENT AND REDEVELOPMENT. THAT'S REDEVELOPMENT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, THEY'RE ADDING TO. AND IF WE'RE ADDING TO AN EXISTING STRUCTURE, THEY MAY NOT BE CONSIDERED NEW CONSTRUCTION OR NEW DEVELOPMENT, AND WE MAY LOSE THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO GIVE OUR APPROVAL FOR SOMETHING THAT IS NOT NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO AGAIN, WE'RE WE'RE FOCUSING ON REDEVELOPMENT OF EXISTING BUILDINGS THERE, WHICH AGAIN, IS IS WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH. SO AGAIN I WANT TO SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS SHOWS WHAT THE GRAVITAS OF THE SITUATION FROM THE STANDPOINT OF HAVING TO GO BACK INTO OUR, OUR CITY CODES AND, AND MAKING ALL SORTS OF CHANGES SO THAT WE CAN GET TO THE POINT OF WHAT WE WERE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH HERE. 
          AND AGAIN, I THINK YOU GUYS ARE DEFINITELY ON THE RIGHT TRACK. AND THIS IS THIS IS WHAT I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR ALL OF US. THIS IS WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE SAY SO AS FAR AS WHAT WAS GOING ON OVER THERE. AND, AND I CAN'T EMPHASIZE ENOUGH FROM WHAT MY COLLEAGUE COUNCILMAN CUSHMAN HAD HAD ALREADY STATED. AND THAT IS THE IMPORTANCE OF A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT WITH THE NAR. WE ABSOLUTELY NEED TO HAVE THAT, BECAUSE, AGAIN, WE'RE TRYING TO CHANGE THE CULTURE HERE BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE AIRPORT, THE CITY AND THE AREA, SO THAT WE ARE ALL WORKING TOGETHER TO TRY TO CREATE A BETTER COMMUNITY THAT UTILIZES A VERY VALUABLE ASSET. SO AGAIN, I YOU GUYS ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED. 
          AND AGAIN, WE CAN JUMP INTO THE MINUTIA. I KNOW THERE ARE GONNA BE SOME CHANGES, AND I HAVE A FEELING THE MAYOR MIGHT EVEN WANT TO DELVE INTO THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE RIGHT NOW. BUT NONETHELESS, YOU GUYS, IN MY OPINION, ARE PULLING THE RIGHT DIRECTION. SO THANK YOU KNOW, I'M WITH YOU. I THINK IT'S GREAT DOCUMENTS. THANK YOU. THE ONLY THING I'D SAY THOUGH IS UNDER 4633 A THAT YOU POINTED OUT UNDER B THAT IT SHOULD SAY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. DON'T FORGET THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. PETRANOFF I THINK THIS IS A GREAT START. I DO THINK THIS IS WHAT WE WERE AFTER. THE ONLY THING THAT I THINK IT MIGHT BE A, A POSSIBLE HOLE THAT YOU COULD DRIVE A TRUCK THROUGH WOULD BE ON 58, 680, WHERE IT SAYS SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE VERSUS COMPLIANCE. YEAH. CRACK ON THE OTHER. I DON'T SEE THAT. 58 680 AIRPORT UTILIZATION PLAN, A DOCUMENT PREPARED BY THE NAR, WHICH IT CONFIRMS IT IS IN SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT DEFINED. IT'S NOT YOU KNOW, WHAT IS SUBSTANTIAL. YOU KNOW, WELL, IT'S JUST VAGUE LANGUAGE. THE INTENT OF THAT IS BECAUSE IT'S SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE WITH THE MASTER PLAN AND LAYOUT PLAN. MY, MY SORT OF MY CONCERN IS JUST USING THE WORD SUBSTANTIAL, I THINK, BECAUSE IT'S NOT CAPITALIZED. SO IT'S NOT DEFINED JUST A LITTLE REASONING AND WE ABSOLUTELY WILL REVISIT THAT IS THOSE DOCUMENTS MAY CHANGE QUICKER THAN THE UTILIZATION PLAN OR AFTER THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE ON A DIFFERENT TIME FRAME AND A DIFFERENT 
          [03:20:01]
APPROVAL PROCESS BECAUSE THERE ARE DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS. SO THAT'S WHY WE USE THE WORD SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE IS BECAUSE THERE MAY BE SITUATIONS WHERE THE UTILIZATION PLAN DEPICTS ONE THING, BUT THE LAYOUT PLAN HAS BEEN CHANGED, OR THE MASTER PLAN HAS BEEN CHANGED BECAUSE IT'S AN FDOT OR FAA DOCUMENT. SO TO SAY, STRICTLY COMPLIANCE WOULD ESSENTIALLY REQUIRE NAR TO UPDATE ALL THREE PLANS AT THE SAME TIME. OKAY. TO SAY SUBSTANTIAL, SUBSTANTIALLY COMPLIANCE OPENS UP THE TIME FRAME OR OPENS UP A, YOU KNOW, A HOLE THAT I THINK IS WIDER THAN JUST TIMING. HAPPY TO REVISIT THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. 
          JUST THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. NO YOU GO AHEAD. SO JUST TO RECALL, THE NAR OBJECTED TO HAVING IT COMPLY AT ALL. SO IN THAT SPIRIT OF COLLEGIALITY, WE TRIED SUBSTANTIAL COMPLIANCE, BUT WE'RE HAPPY TO REVISIT IT. I MEAN, EVEN IF IT'S DEFINED, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE A DEFINED TERM BECAUSE SUBSTANTIAL TO ME IS PROBABLY DIFFERENT THAN SUBSTANTIAL TO YOU. WELL, WE'LL BE HAPPY TO REVISIT IT. BUT THAT'S THE THAT'S THE REASON. IF IT SOUNDS WEASELLY, THAT WAS PROBABLY WHERE I WAS. THANK YOU. I IF THAT'S IT, I DO WANT TO THANK EVERYONE MR. SOUFAN AND MISS MARTIN AND MR. YOUNG AND MR. MCCONNELL AND THE TIME THAT THE NAR CAME OR THE EXECUTIVES CAME AND WORKED WITH YOU ON CLARIFYING THIS UNCLEAR PROCESS. 
          ACCORDING TO SOME. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO GET A MOTION THAT WE TAKE THIS TO THE AIRPORT AND GET THEIR FEEDBACK. AND ANY. THEY'RE ACTUALLY ACCEPTANCE OF THIS PROCESS SO THAT WE'RE IN THE SPIRIT OF WORKING TOGETHER. AND IF THERE ARE CONCERNS, THEN THEY'LL SHARE THAT WITH US. 
          YEAH. MAYOR, IF I COULD, MAY I? YES. JUST FOR, JUST FOR AND I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE WITH THAT APPROACH. BUT BASED ON WHAT MR. YOUNG JUST SAID AND THE COMMENTS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER CHRISTMANN SUGGESTED IS THIS IS GOING TO COME BACK PROBABLY IN A WORKSHOP WORKSHOP SETTING, NOT IN ORDINANCE FORM. RIGHT, BECAUSE WE CAN'T APPEAR TO HAVE FIRST READING YET JUST BECAUSE IT HAS TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS FOR ANY COMMENTS AT THAT POINT. AND THEN I THINK AT THAT POINT WE WOULD MAKE THE MOTION, BECAUSE WHAT I'M ANTICIPATING IS THE ACTUAL ORDINANCES THEMSELVES, WITH THE TITLES AND EVERYTHING BEING PRESENTED TO THE NAR FOR COMMENTS AND FINAL FORM PRIOR TO PLANNING BOARD, PRIOR TO ADOPTION AT CITY COUNCIL, AND I APPRECIATE THAT. ALL OF THAT TAKES TIME. MEANWHILE, THEY'RE SELLING A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT IS THE LARGEST, SECOND TO LARGEST, IF NOT LARGER PROPERTY THAT FIRST, WILL THAT BE COMING BACK TO US? I'M UNFAMILIAR WITH THE PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY AS IT EXISTS RIGHT NOW. REGARDLESS, WE HAVE THE RESOLUTION THAT WE WOULD BE HONORING, AND THIS IS HONORING THE LAST PARAGRAPH, WHICH IS TO BEGIN TO ALIGN THE COMP PLAN AND THE CODE. SO BASED ON THAT RESOLUTION, IT WAS ALREADY APPROVED. IT WOULD BE COMING BACK TO YOU BASED ON THAT RESOLUTION. AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, AS I'VE SAID STATED, IS THE MOMENT THAT THE AS YOUR CITY MANAGER, THE MOMENT THAT IT WAS STATED THAT THE COMP PLAN DOESN'T ALIGN WITH OUR PROCEDURES, I WOULD BE FORCED TO SEND IT BACK TO YOU BECAUSE AGAIN, I WOULDN'T GO AGAINST OUR COMP PLAN AND NOT REMAND IT BACK NO MATTER WHAT. SO FROM MY STANDPOINT, I THINK THAT WE'RE COVERED WHILE WE CONTINUE THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND ASSURING YOU THAT THAT IT WOULD COME BACK BY VIRTUE OF BOTH THAT OPINION AND PROCESS AND THE COMP PLAN AND ALSO THE RESOLUTION YOU PASSED BEFORE WE BROKE. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. STRONG WORK. THANK YOU. I TRULY APPRECIATE AND THE COMMUNITY APPRECIATES. AND I'M SURE THE NAR AND STAFF, THEIR APPRECIATE THIS WORK THAT'S BEING DONE BY STAFF. SO THANK YOU. AND NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. WE ARE THAT CONCLUDES 13 H. WE'RE GOING TO PUBLIC COMMENT. MADAM CLERK I HAVE NONE OKAY. THAT WAS ITEM 
          [APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA]
FIVE. WE HAVE THE APPROVAL OF THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND THERE WERE ITEMS. MADAM. MADAM MAYOR, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ITEM SEVEN J AND ITEM EIGHT A. OKAY, SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER CHRISTMANN AND A SECOND BY VICE 
          [03:25:03]
MAYOR. ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNED BY I AYE. OPPOSED. THANK YOU. I'M WATCHING THE TIME. THAT IS TAKES US TO. TOO MANY PAGES ON THE AGENDA. ALL RIGHT. END OF CONSENT AGENDA TO PUBLIC HEARINGS. THERE AREN'T ANY REGULAR AGENDA WOULD BE ITEM TEN ITEMS PULLED FROM THE 
          [10. ITEMS PULLED FROM CONSENT AGENDA (If Needed)]
CONSENT AGENDA, MR. MCCONNELL. YES, MAYOR. IF IF THE CLERK OR SOMEONE COULD JUST REMIND ME WHAT WAS PULLED FROM THE ITEM SEVEN J AND ITEM EIGHT A OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I WILL READ THE RESOLUTION FOR SEVEN J THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. RESOLUTION FOR THE PURPOSE OF APPROVING AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT COMBINING EFFORTS TO ENHANCE EMERGENCY SERVICE WITHIN COLLIER COUNTY THROUGH AN INTERAGENCY TACTICAL MEDICAL PROGRAM TO PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF NAPLES AND MUNICIPAL CORPORATION, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA. POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA. NORTH COLLIER FIRE CONTROL AND RESCUE DISTRICT AND INDEPENDENT SPECIAL DISTRICT OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA, OPERATING PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 2015-191 WALLS OF FLORIDA, CITY OF MARCO ISLAND AND MUNICIPAL MUNICIPAL CORPORATION, GREATER NAPLES FIRE RESCUE DISTRICT AND INDEPENDENT FIRE CONTROL AND RESCUE DISTRICT OPERATING PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 2014240 LAWS OF FLORIDA, AS AMENDED. IMMOKALEE FIRE CONTROL DISTRICT AND INDEPENDENT FIRE CONTROL AND RESCUE DISTRICT, OPERATING PURSUANT TO CHAPTER 2000-393 LAWS OF FLORIDA, AS AMENDED IN THE COLLIER COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. AN INDEPENDENT CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA, THE PARTNERSHIP PARTNERING AGENCIES, THE COUNTY, AND THE SHERIFF ARE KNOWN COLLECTIVELY AS THE PARTIES AND EACH A PARTY AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT, PROVIDING FOR SCRIVENER'S ERRORS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. I, I. GOOD AFTERNOON. THIS WILL JUST TAKE A MINUTE BECAUSE I THINK I GOT MY I GOT MY QUESTION ANSWERED. BUT WHEN I READ THROUGH THIS YOU KNOW IN THE WHEREAS CLAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT DEFINED A PHYSICIAN AS IN THE STATUTES AND IT COULD BE AN OSTEOPATHIC PHYSICIAN. IT COULD BE IT WAS VERY BROAD, IT COULD BE A GYNECOLOGIST, IT COULD BE AN ALLERGY SPECIALIST, ETC. AND GIVEN THE FACT THAT WE DO NOT HAVE A TIER ONE OR TIER TWO HOSPITAL IN COLLIER COUNTY FOR THINGS LIKE, SAY, FOR EXAMPLE, AUTOMOBILE CRASH, I THOUGHT IT WAS IF WE COULD PUT MORE SPECIFICITY AROUND AROUND WHAT KIND OF A DOCTOR WE WANT TO HAVE OVERLAYING ON TOP OF OUR EMERGENCY SERVICES. AND I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE MAYBE AN ER DOCTOR OR SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH A DESIGNATION OF THAT SPECIALTY VERSUS JUST A BROAD DEFINITION OF A DOCTOR, ANY DOCTOR. AND, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK I GOT MY QUESTION ANSWERED THAT HE, THAT THIS PERSON THAT IS, YOU KNOW, SERVES AS OUR MEDICAL TRAINER, OVERSEER THAT WE HIRED, WHAT, THREE YEARS AGO IS A CERTIFIED ER DOCTOR. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND ALL THE ALL THE TRAINING HE PROVIDES IS, YOU KNOW, IS ADEQUATE WITHIN THE ER FOR EMERGENCY SERVICES. YES. HE'S ACTUALLY A FELLOWSHIP. OKAY. 
          PHYSICIAN FOR EMERGENCY MEDICINE. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS BUTTONED UP BECAUSE I PREFER THAT KIND OF A DOCTOR VERSUS ANY, ANY OLD DOCTOR THAT WOULD SERVE OVER THIS. NO I UNDERSTAND, BUT YES, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE LOOK AT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT WAS IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US TO EIGHT A WE NEED WE NEED A MOTION. OH SORRY. YES THANK YOU SIR. COUNCIL MEMBER PETRINO, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? MOTION TO APPROVE. ITEM SIX J OR SEVEN J. IF IF WE COULD, MAYOR. FOR THE MOTION, IT'D BE A MOTION TO AUTHORIZE. YES. THE HEADING OF THE SEVEN J. MOTION TO TO APPROVE AN INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT COMBINING EFFORTS TO ENHANCE EMERGENCY SERVICES WITHIN COLLIER COUNTY THROUGH AN INTERLOCAL TACTICAL MEDICAL PROGRAM TO PROVIDE SUPPORT FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF NAPLES AND MUNICIPAL CORPORATION NAPLES, THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS, COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA. YOU DON'T HAVE TO, ETCETERA. YEAH. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER PETRANOFF AND A SECOND BY VICE MAYOR. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNED BY I, I OPPOSED THANK YOU. COUNCIL TAKES US TO EIGHT A. MR. MCCONNELL. IT WAS. OH, I GUESS NOT. SORRY, SIR. YEAH. SORRY ABOUT THAT. NO 
          [03:30:15]
RESOLUTION. STAFF WOULD LIKE TO READ WHAT THE CONSIDERATION IS. YES. CHAD MERRITT, PARKS RECREATION FACILITIES DIRECTOR. THIS IS CONSIDERATION FOR A NEW EVENT. APPLICATIONS AS YOU AT LISTED BELOW, WHICH IS CITY OF NAPLES HALLOWEEN HUSTLE FIVE K TO OPERATION. RETURN TO BASE, WALK, RUN AND RUCK. THE PORT ROYAL LAST CALL BEFORE THE FALL. THE WALK FOR LIFE. THE WEDNESDAY LIVE MUSIC ON THE BEACH A NIGHT IN PARIS FUNDRAISER GALA. HOMERS FOR HEROES AND THE HYATT HOUSE. BONGOS AND SINGER PERFORMANCE. AND I GUESS, IS THERE ANY PARTICULAR EVENTS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO DISCUSS? AND YES, I JUST IN LOOKING AT ALL OF THESE EVENTS, NUMBER TWO, UNDER THE SUBJECT THE CITY OF OF NAPLES HALLOWEEN EVENT AT FLESHMAN. AND THEN I THOUGHT THERE WAS A POLICE HALLOWEEN EVENT IN THE PAST. TRICK OR TRUNK? OR WAS THAT THE ONE THAT WAS AT FLESHMAN? WERE WE TALKING ABOUT THE NUMBER ONE? THIS NUMBER TWO, I DON'T I DON'T SEE IT. NUMBER TWO. NUMBER TWO FOR THIS IS OPERATION RETURN TO BASE, WALK, RUN AND RUCK ARE YOU YOU MAY BE REFERRING TO EIGHT. BE ARE YOU READING FROM THE AGENDA? YEAH I'M LOOKING AT THE MEMO. YEAH, I'M LOOKING AT THE MEMO. PAGE EIGHT. YEAH. WAIT. OH YOU'RE SAYING THAT A A AND EIGHT B ARE ARE DIFFERENT. HERE'S NEW. 
          HERE'S REPEAT RIGHT. SO THE NEW UNDER NUMBER TWO UNDER THE MEMO IS CITY OF NAPLES HALLOWEEN EVENT. SO WELL IT'S A REPEAT. THEN IF YOU GO DOWN TO REPEAT OF CITY OF NAPLES EVENT FLESHMAN. THOSE ARE THE SAME. YES. SO EIGHT B IS A IS A DIFFERENT ITEM. YEAH. SO EIGHT A IS WAS THE ONE THAT YOU HAD PULLED OUT TO TALK ABOUT. OKAY. WELL WHEN I'M LOOKING AT IT AND I'M LOOKING AT EIGHT AND B TRYING TO LOOK AT WHAT'S A NEW EVENT VERSUS WHAT'S A REPEAT EVENT. OKAY. SO MAYOR, REAL QUICK, I KNOW IT SEEMS LIKE A LOT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO WE APPROVED A B ALREADY ON THE CONSENT BECAUSE IT WASN'T REMOVED. SO THE ONLY THING UP FOR DISCUSSION RIGHT NOW IS EIGHT A YOU WANT TO DISCUSS EIGHT B GOT IT. SO WE HAVE TO MATTHEW I THINK SHE'S JUST ASKING THE DIFFERENCE. SO I MEAN, IF I CAN EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A NEW AND A REPEAT, THEN WE CAN. AA IS NEW EVENTS, RIGHT? BUT THE LISTING I THINK YOU'RE REFERRING TO IS NUMBER TWO IS THE HALLOWEEN EVENT AT FLEISCHMANN PARK. WHEN YOU KEEP SAYING WHEN YOU REFERENCE NUMBER TWO, BUT IT IS NUMBER ONE ON THAT NEW EVENTS IS THE THE FIVE K THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING. I THOUGHT WHAT YOU ASKED WASN'T THERE ALREADY EVENT, I THOUGHT, BUT MAYBE I'M PARAPHRASING VICE MAYOR. YEAH. SO I THINK TRYING TO SORT THAT OUT IS ONGOING. BUT SINCE WE DO HAVE A A PULLED AND UP FOR DISCUSSION, YOU KNOW, THERE'S BEEN DISCUSSION ABOUT THE NUMBER OF EVENTS THAT WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY. RIGHT. AND AS PART OF THE DIRECTOR, WHAT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE BRINGING THIS STUFF TO US, THESE EVENTS FOR APPROVAL OR DISCUSSION. IF THESE ITEMS UNDER EIGHT A, THERE'S EIGHT BRAND NEW ITEMS NOT NOT REPEAT BRAND NEW NEXT YEAR, THEY COULD BE REPEATS. SO THEY'RE GOING TO ADD TO THE LONG LIST OF THINGS THAT WE KEEP BRINGING INTO THE COMMUNITY. WHY? I THOUGHT WE HAD GOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE WERE GOING TO BE REALLY CAREFUL ABOUT ADDING EVEN MORE. COULD YOU JUST TALK ABOUT THE MAYBE OF THESE EIGHT ITEMS, HOW MANY OF THESE ARE IMPACTING PUBLIC FACILITIES VERSUS YOU KNOW WHAT, THIS IS A PASS THROUGH. AND IT'S IT'S NOT GOING TO BE TYING 
          [03:35:04]
UP OUR ROADS ONGOING. THE IMPACT TO THE COMMUNITY. COULD YOU TALK JUST A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT? YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, JUST TO KIND OF SPEAK ON ON THE HALF OF EVENTS THAT ARE COMING FOR RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO PROCESS THE APPLICATIONS THAT COME IN. SO WE DON'T HAVE WE'RE NOT ABLE TO GO THROUGH AND SAY, OKAY, WE WE'RE NOT GOING TO ADD THIS EVENT AND DECLINE THAT. NOW THEY HAVE TO AS LONG AS THEY MEET THE CRITERIA WITHIN THE MANUAL, WHICH WAS APPROVED BY YOU ALL, WE PASS IT THROUGH AND IT'S UP TO THE BOARD TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT THEY WANT TO ADD THIS NEW SPECIAL EVENT, NEW SPECIAL EVENT, WHICH IS WHY WE HAVE IT CATEGORIZED AS NEW VERSUS REPEAT. BECAUSE THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO OKAY, THIS IS WHAT THE NEW EVENTS ARE. IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO ADD, WE NEED TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION NOW. AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DOESN'T PASS THROUGH BECAUSE THEN IN FACT, IT WILL BECOME A REPEAT SPECIAL EVENT IN THE FOLLOWING. BUT AS IN REGARDS TO THESE SPECIAL EVENTS ON HERE. A LOT OF THESE THAT I LOOK AT. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE HALLOWEEN FIVE K, THAT'S GOING TO BE DONE WITHIN BAKER PARK. SO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A WHOLE LOT OF IMPACT ON ANYTHING. IT'LL BE WITHIN THE PARK. YOU WON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF TRAFFIC ISSUES. 
          WE'LL HAVE SOME PARKING THAT HAS TO OCCUR WITHIN THE THE AREA AROUND RIVERSIDE. THE OPERATION RETURNED TO BASE RUCK AND THAT ONE'S AT BAKER PARK. AND THAT'S GOING TO BE VERY MINIMAL. PORT ROYAL, THEY'RE KEEPING THAT WITHIN THEIR PROPERTY. THE WALK FOR LIFE IS AT BAKER PARK. THAT'S ALSO GOING TO BE PUT IN OR KIND OF BE MAINTAINED WITHIN BAKER PARK. 
          WE'VE TRIED TO KIND OF ENCOURAGE A LOT OF THESE NEW EVENTS TO TRY TO CONTAIN THEMSELVES WITHIN A PARK, SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF RESOURCES THAT GO TOWARDS IT. 
          AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO BE SUCCESSFUL WITH THAT. THE HOMERS FOR HEROES PARK, THAT'S GOING TO BE ON THE BALL FIELD, THAT'LL BE CONTAINED WITHIN FLEISCHMANN PARK HYATT HOUSE. 
          THEIR EVENTS GOING TO BE CONTAINED WITHIN THEIR PROPERTY. SO ON THIS LIST, I WOULD SAY THAT I COULD COMFORTABLY SAY THAT NONE OF THEM WOULD HAVE ANY HIGH TRAFFIC ISSUES OR CREATE ANY ISSUES FROM TRAFFIC. SO TO MY POINT, WE ALREADY HAVE A HALLOWEEN EVENT AT FLESHMAN AND CITY. IF I UNDERSTAND THE APPLICATION, THE CITY HAS DECIDED TO HAVE ANOTHER SPONSORED EVENT AT BAKER PARK. SO WE'VE GOT THE WE DO A EVENT AT FLEISCHMANN PARK, AND THIS WILL BE A5K EVENT THAT WE DO AT BAKER PARK. AND THIS IS TRYING TO BUT IT'S A NEW EVENT. IT IS A NEW THAT THE CITY IS INITIATING. THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. THAT'S THAT WAS MY EXACT POINT. AND THEN. PET PARADE, THERE'S ALREADY A PET PARADE IN THE FUNDRAISING PROCEEDS GO TO THE HUMANE SOCIETY. AND NOW THERE'S ANOTHER ONE PROPOSED. MADAM MAYOR. NOW WE'RE GOING BACK TO EIGHT B. YEAH, I'M SORRY, BUT I JUST WANTED TO MAKE. OH, I THOUGHT IT WAS UNDER. OKAY. SO I'LL GO BACK TO THEN. SO THE HALLOWEEN HUSTLE IS A NEW EVENT. THE OPERATION RETURN. YOU'VE ALREADY EXPLAINED. FOR THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION THAT I HAVE ABOUT THESE EVENTS IS IT SAYS THAT WE DON'T NEED SECURITY FOR THE NEW EVENTS, SUCH AS I THINK IT WAS AN OLD EVENT, JUST A RENAMED EVENT, AN ANNUAL PARTY. WE DON'T NEED ANY TYPE OF SECURITY PLAN OR POLICE PRESENCE WHEN THERE ARE EVENTS HAPPENING AT HANGARS. I CAN ALLOW THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TO TALK BECAUSE THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE EXPERTS ON SECURITY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF SORRY, CHIEF, LIEUTENANT OR CHIEF. I JUST SEE CHIEF HERE. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. DOMINGUEZ. 
          CHIEF OF POLICE, AND I APOLOGIZE. I WAS READING SOMETHING WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING. OF COURSE YOU WERE. AND SO IF YOU CAN REFRESH ME ON WHAT THE QUESTION IS. MY 
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QUESTION IS ON ON THE APPLICATIONS AND WHERE IT SAYS THAT THERE ARE, THERE'S A REPORT BACK SAYING THERE'S NO SECURITY PLAN. DOES THAT MEAN THAT THERE WHEN THERE'S AN EVENT HELD AT A HANGAR, WE DON'T NEED SECURITY OR THERE'S NOT A POLICE PRESENCE FOR SPECIAL EVENTS? IT DEPENDS ON THE EVENT. AND WE CLEARED IT THROUGH OUR, OUR FOLKS. SO DEPENDING ON THE SITE ITSELF. SO I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT EVENT. IT'S ON AIRPORT PROPERTY CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. CORRECT. AND IT IS A CLOSED EVENT RIGHT. THAT'S CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. AND AND SO THROUGH A SECURITY ASSESSMENT AND THE TENANT CAN GIVE YOU MORE DETAILS BECAUSE HE REVIEWED IT I BELIEVE. BUT WE LOOK AT EVERY PARTICULAR EVENT AND I'LL GIVE YOU THE MACRO ON IT. AND HE CAN GIVE YOU THE MORE SPECIFIC. SO EVERY EVENT IS REVIEWED BASED ON CERTAIN POINTS AND TIERS OF THINGS THAT WE LOOK AT. NUMBER OF PEOPLE ARE ATTENDING. WHAT IS THE PUBLIC ACCESS OF IT, WHAT IS THE THREAT POTENTIAL, AND ALL THOSE THINGS. SO ONCE WE PUT IT THROUGH OUR MATRIX, IF YOU WILL, OR OUR RUBRIC OF SORTS, WE'RE ABLE TO DETERMINE WHAT IS NEEDED. BUT HE REVIEWED THE ORIGINAL PLAN, SO I'M NOT AS FAMILIAR WITH IT. GOOD MORNING, LIEUTENANT MICHAEL O'REILLY, SPECIAL OPERATIONS, NAPLES POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          ESSENTIALLY EVERYTHING THE CHIEF SAID IS HOW WE LOOK AT THE SPECIAL EVENTS. THE AIRPORT IS A A DIFFERENT ENTITY. IT'S A SEMI SECURE FACILITY. IT'S A RESTRICTED ACCESS FACILITY. AND NEARLY EVERY EVENT AT THESE PRIVATE HANGARS IS CONTROLLED ACCESS BY THE HANGAR OWNERS THEMSELVES. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE EVENTS, WE NOT ONLY LOOK AT THE ATTENDEES FOR THE EVENT AND THE PROPENSITY FOR ISSUES, WE ALSO LOOK AT THE VULNERABILITIES. AND DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE EVENT, WE DETERMINE IF THEY NEED OFFICERS BASED ON THAT SCALE. FOR THE EVENTS THAT ARE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA THAT WE SAID THERE'S NO POLICE PRESENCE NEEDED, WE'VE DETERMINED THAT THEY DON'T HAVE THE PROPENSITY FOR PROBLEMS INTERNALLY, AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE VULNERABILITIES THAT WE WOULD NEED TO ASSIGN AN OFFICER EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED. OKAY. 
          AND JUST FOR FOR A LITTLE CLARIFICATION. SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, THE BIGGEST DETERMINANT FOR US IS OPEN AIR EVENT AND ACCESSIBILITY VERSUS A CLOSED CONTAINED ENVIRONMENT. 
          SO IF SOMEONE WAS TO HAVE, LET'S SAY, A A SPECIAL EVENT AT THE HYATT AND IT'S SECURED, THAT WOULD TAKE LESS PEOPLE ACCESS WISE. AS HE MENTIONED, THE AIRPORT HAS CONTROLLED ACCESS. CONVERSELY, A PLACE LIKE CAMBIER PARK IS OPEN ACCESS AND WIDE OPEN AND MUCH MORE VULNERABLE. SO THAT'S HOW WE KIND OF LOOK AT IT. THANK YOU. OKAY. VICE MAYOR. YEAH, THANK YOU, CHAD AND CHIEF. EVERYBODY'S COMMENTS ON THIS. WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE NEW SPECIAL EVENTS, MY ASK IS THAT AGAIN, FIRST OF ALL, DO YOU REMEMBER HOW MANY EVENTS WE BEFORE THESE NEW EVENTS ARE GOING TO BE ADDED? HOW MANY SPECIAL EVENTS WE HAVE WITHIN THE CITY THAT WE'RE RECOGNIZING? WE USED TO TRACK THAT. WE TRACK IT. I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NUMBER RIGHT OFF HAND, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'RE STILL TALKING A COUPLE HUNDRED AT LEAST THAT WERE PERMITTED. YEAH. NOW WE'RE WE'VE GOT VENUES. THREE OF THESE AT LEAST WERE AT BAKER PARK. AND WE'VE GOT A NEW PLAYHOUSE THERE THAT HAS FUNCTIONS. AND IT'S GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON TRAFFIC. I DON'T KNOW, I DIDN'T SEE COMMENTS ON HERE THAT IT WAS THAT THESE ALL THESE EVENTS ARE BEING COMPARED TO DATES OF SIGNIFICANCE AT THE GULFSHORE PLAYHOUSE, BUT JUST ADDING A LAYER OF, OF CONSIDERATION, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE NOT CONTRIBUTING BY ADDING CONTINUING TO ADD EVENTS THAT WERE NOT SNARLING TRAFFIC IN AND AROUND OUR COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY IN THAT BAKER PARK AREA. SO MY ASK IS THAT YOU JUST GIVE IT SOME CRITICAL THINKING BEFORE WE JUST KEEP ADDING THESE THINGS. SO THANK YOU, THANK YOU. KIRSTEN. YEAH. WHEN I WENT THROUGH THIS MATERIAL, PREPARING FOR THE MEETING. WHAT WHAT WAS REASSURING TO ME WAS THAT NONE OF THESE EVENTS IN ADA WERE DOWNTOWN OR IN CAMBIER PARK, AND NONE OF THEM WERE IN SEASON. AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE, BUT, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE CALENDAR OF EVENTS, I DON'T THINK IT'S IT MAY BE TECHNICALLY ACCURATE, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S. REALISTIC, IF YOU WILL, TO SAY THAT WE HAVE A 
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COUPLE HUNDRED EVENTS A YEAR. I MEAN, IF YOU WANT TO COUNT THE DO YOU WANT TO COUNT THE FARMER'S MARKET AS ONE EVENT OR 52 EVENTS, YOU WANT TO COUNT IT AS 52. AND AND THEN THAT HELPS YOU GET TO 200. RIGHT. AND AND I'VE SAID THIS BEFORE AGAIN, AND I'LL SAY IT AGAIN WHEN WE GET TO AN ITEM LATER IN OUR AGENDA, THE ISSUE WE HAVE IS BETWEEN CHRISTMAS AND EASTER IN DOWNTOWN AT CAMBIER PARK. AND WE'RE GOING TO BE TALKING ABOUT ADDING ANOTHER NEW SPECIAL EVENT LATER IN THE AGENDA, RIGHT IN THAT SWEET SPOT. SO I'LL I'LL HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT. I'M SURE OTHERS MAY TOO. WE'LL SEE WHERE THAT GOES. BUT AS FAR AS THESE EVENTS ARE CONCERNED, BECAUSE OF THEIR SIZE, LOCATION AND THE DATE THEY'RE BEING HELD, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEM. THANK YOU. AND I JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, YOU SAID THAT THAT YOU CONTAIN THEM WITHIN A PARK. SO WE'RE SLOWLY MOVING PEOPLE TO BAKER PARK AND FLESHMAN PARK OUT OF CAMBIER PARK. I JUST CAN YOU CLARIFY? WELL, CONTAINING THEM IN THE PARK MEANS THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING OUTSIDE. WE'RE NOT CLOSING ROADS. WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, IMPACTING OUTSIDE OF THE PARK. SO WHEN IT'S CONTAINED, WE WE HAVE THEM IN BAKER PARK IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION. BUT YES, WE HAVE ENCOURAGED, AS COUNCILMAN CHRISTMANN HAS SAID, WE'VE TRIED TO DISCOURAGE THE ADDING EVENTS IN CAMBIER PARK. SO WE'RE TRYING TO UTILIZE BAKER PARK AND ESPECIALLY WITH SOME OF THESE LOW IMPACT EVENTS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IN PARTICULAR, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE EVENT THAT WE DID THAT IS, YOU KNOW, WE ALMOST LOOK AT THAT AS MORE OF A PROGRAM BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROBABLY GOING TO HAVE 150 PEOPLE THAT ARE GOING TO PARTICIPATE, BUT IT'S MORE OF A HALLOWEEN TYPE EVENT. AND AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE STAFF FOR STAFF TO BE ABLE TO DO THOSE TYPES OF ACTIVITIES WITHIN THE PARKS, WHERE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE LARGE SCALE EVENTS THAT WE'VE REALLY TRIED TO KIND OF SCALE BACK ON, HAVING 5000 PEOPLE IN A PARK IS DIFFERENT THAN HAVING 2 OR 300 PEOPLE IN THE PARK. THE PARKS CAN HANDLE THOSE. SO CONTAINING THOSE WITHIN THE PARK IS IS VERY IMPORTANT. AND AND ALLOWING THE PARK IS STILL FUNCTION AS A PARK. SO IF AN EVENT COMES TO US AND SOMEBODY SAYS, HEY, WE'VE GOT THIS AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO CLOSE ANY PARTS OF THE PARK, IT'S NOT GOING TO IMPACT SOMEBODY. IF A CHILD WANTS TO GO OUT TO USE THE SPLASH PAD AT BAKER, THEY CAN STILL USE THE SPLASH PAD AT BAKER. IF THEY WANT TO HAVE AN EVENT AT GOMEZ CENTER, THEY CAN STILL HAVE AN EVENT AT GOMEZ CENTER. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT FOR US WHEN WE CONTAIN THINGS WITHIN PARKS. THANK YOU. I AGREE, I JUST HAVING STAFF ADDING UNTIL WE FIGURE OUT WHERE WE'RE GOING IS JUST THAT'S WHAT I NOTICED. 
          KRAMER, BECAUSE I'VE BEEN PUSHED BACK ON EVENTS SINCE COMING ON BOARD, AND ESPECIALLY IN OUR PARKS AND OUR FACILITIES. I HAVE TO SAY THAT LIKE RAY. COUNCILMAN KRISEMAN, THE TIME FRAME AND WHERE THEY WERE MAKES IT PALATABLE. HOWEVER, WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WE'RE GOING TO PUT SOME CONSTRAINTS ON THIS STUFF. WE'VE WE'VE HAD CONSENSUS THAT WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT. NOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NUMBER IS GOING TO BE, BUT NOBODY'S WATCHING EXCEPT OUR FAMILIES. SO HI, EVERYBODY. MAYBE IT WOULD BEHOOVE THEM TO KNOW THE THE FIVES, THE NONPROFITS. 5503 FOLKS THAT YOU CAN USE THE SCHOOL CAMPUSES AS WELL. SO LIKE I WOULD HAVE A MUCH IT'D BE MUCH MORE PALATABLE FOR ME TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO USE GULFVIEW MIDDLE ON A SATURDAY MORNING, THEN SAY, USE ANY OF OUR PARKS, AND THAT'S DOABLE. YOU KNOW, WE DO OUR WHAT SEE AT THE POLL FIELDS OF FAITH, NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER. ALL THAT STUFF HAPPENS ON SCHOOL CAMPUSES AND NUMBER OF CHURCHES MEET ON THEM ALL OVER THE COUNTY. SO SO THIS IS DOABLE AND IT'S VERY AFFORDABLE, I WILL TELL YOU. AND SO I MEAN HAVING THOSE CONVERSATIONS THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT THEY HAVE TO GET AHEAD OF IT. THERE'S TIME FRAMES FOR ALL THAT STUFF TO BE TURNED IN TO THE DISTRICT, BUT IT'S JUST ANOTHER POSSIBILITY. AND WHEN I THINK ABOUT PARKING, IT'S THE LOGISTICS WORK BETTER FOR MOST EVENTS. AGAIN, IF IT'S, YOU KNOW, 5000 PEOPLE MAYBE STILL AT A FOOTBALL GAME, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE PARKING AT THE MALL. BUT I JUST THINK IT'S VERY DOABLE AND SOMETHING THAT WE COULD MAYBE THAT COULD BE PART OF OUR HOW WE DO THINGS TO, TO LET OUR CITIZENS USE OUR PARKS IN SEASON IS TO FUNNEL SOME OF THIS STUFF ONTO THE SCHOOL CAMPUSES. THAT'S ALL. THANKS. THANK YOU. WITH THAT, IS THERE 
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A MOTION? I'LL MOVE FOR APPROVAL OF ITEM EIGHT, A CONSIDERATION OF NEW SPECIAL EVENT APPLICATIONS. OKAY, I HAVE A MOTION FOR EIGHT, A APPROVAL FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA BY COUNCIL MEMBER CRISMON AND A SECOND BY VICE MAYOR. ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNED BY I OPPOSED. THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US TO TIME. CERTAIN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, STEPH. TO TIME CERTAIN 1230 ALMOST ON TIME. 13 MR. YOUNG ANY I THINK IT'S AN EXECUTIVE SESSION MAYOR TO FOR COLLECTIVE BARGAINING. THERE'S NOT A RESOLUTION OR ANYTHING. IT'S JUST IT'S NOT IT'S NOT PURSUANT TO 286 .011. IT'S PURSUANT TO I BELIEVE, 447 .60.605. SO THERE IS NO 
          [13.E. Executive Session – Labor Relations and Collective Bargaining Strategy (12:30pm Time Certain). (Charlotte Loewel, Director of Human Resources)]
ANNOUNCEMENT OR OKAY, I'LL JUST MAKE IT. THEN IT'S ITEM 13. E IS EXECUTIVE SESSION FOR LABOR RELATIONS AND COLLECTIVE BARGAINING STRATEGIES. WE WILL HAVE THAT EXECUTIVE SESSION UP IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM ON SECOND FLOOR OF CITY HALL. AND IT'S APPROXIMATELY HALF AN HOUR OR AN HOUR, MR. YOUNG. YES, MA'AM. THAT'S MORE THAN ENOUGH TIME. HALF AN HOUR. PERFECT. SO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION IS EXPECTED OKAY, WE'RE BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION AND 
          [12.A. A Resolution Approving a Valet Licensing Agreement Between the City of Naples and Old Naples Hotel; Approving Right-of-Way Permit Application PRRW2502489 with Standard Permit Conditions and the Right-of-Way Operational Plan for the Old Naples Hotel to Allow Valet Services at the Old Naples Hotel Located at 200 Broad Avenue South; Authorizing the Mayor to Execute the Valet License Agreement; and Providing an Effective Date. (Alison Bickett, Deputy City Engineer)]
CONTINUING ON WITH OUR REGULAR AGENDA. OLD BUSINESS 12 A MR. MCCONNELL. YEAH. I CAN GO AHEAD. 
          ARE YOU GOING TO I'M GOING TO READ THE TITLE, A RESOLUTION APPROVING A LICENSING AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY OF NAPLES AND OLD NAPLES HOTEL APPROVING RIGHT OF WAY PERMIT APPLICATION PRW2502489. WITH STANDARD PERMIT CONDITIONS AND THE RIGHT OF WAY OPERATIONAL PLAN FOR THE OLD NAPLES HOTEL TO ALLOW VALET SERVICES AT THE OLD NAPLES HOTEL, LOCATED AT 200 BROAD AVENUE SOUTH, AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE THE VALET LICENSE AGREEMENT AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG. OH, YES, MAYOR, THIS WAS ASKED, AS I HAD MENTIONED ON THE WE SET THE AGENDA, THAT THE APPLICANT HAD ASKED THAT THIS BE CONTINUED UNTIL, EXCUSE ME, SEPTEMBER 24TH AND RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT WE CONTINUE THIS ITEM. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MOTION. MOTION TO CONTINUE THE ITEM TILL SEPTEMBER 24TH. SECOND. IS THAT SUFFICIENT, MR. MCCONNELL? YES. THANK YOU. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER PETRANOFF FOR A CONTINUANCE OF 12 A AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. ROLL CALL. COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          CHRISTMAN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. MARTIN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENNIMAN. YES. VICE MAYOR. HUTCHINSON. YES. MAYOR. HARTMAN. YES. THANK YOU. THAT TAKES US TO 12. BE BEFORE WE MOVE REAL QUICK. MAYOR FROM 12 A BECAUSE I DID READ THE TITLE THAT WAS IN THE AGENDA, BUT I WANTED TO CLARIFY FOR THE PUBLIC THAT THERE WAS GOING TO BE A SUPPLEMENT THAT WAS NOT INCLUDED. SO THAT RESOLUTION WAS ACTUALLY NOT INCLUDED IN THE MATERIALS, JUST IN CASE ANYONE WANTS TO SEE IT, BUT WILL BE FOR THE 24TH. THANK 
          [12.B. Approval of the City-Wide Pavement Management Plan by Johnson Engineering and Consensus of Annual Review of the Priority List. (Bob Middleton, Director of Public Works)]
YOU. NO PROBLEM. 12 B IS NO TITLE. YES, MR. YOUNG? YES, MAYOR. WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THE CITY PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PLAN, AND I WILL TURN IT OVER TO TO BOB AND ALLISON. 
          AFTERNOON, MAYOR. MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, BOB MIDDLETON, PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR. NICE TO BE HERE WITH YOU TODAY. THIS IS A PRESENTATION OF THE FINAL VERSION OF THE CITY'S PAVED PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PLAN. A LITTLE HISTORY. ON JUNE 2024, CITY COUNCIL APPROVED A CONTRACT WITH JOHNSON ENGINEERING TO PROVIDE ENGINEERING SERVICES TO PREPARE A CITYWIDE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PLAN. IN APRIL OF 25, JOHNSON ENGINEERING PROVIDED A PRESENTATION TO CITY COUNCIL ON THE DATA COLLECTED AND THE INITIAL FINDINGS OF THE PLAN. 
          INITIAL FINDINGS INCLUDED THAT THE CITY HAS 0.23 MILES OF ROADWAYS IN POOR CONDITION, 10.17 MILES IN FAIR CONDITION, 68.9 MILES IN SATISFACTORY CONDITION, AND 33.8 MILES CONSIDERED TO BE IN GOOD CONDITION. THE PLAN INCLUDES A MULTI-YEAR. PLANS, OPTIONS 
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BASED ON THE PAVEMENT SERVICES CYCLES FROM 1 TO 25 YEARS, AND IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THE PLAN, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE ARE YEARS ONE THROUGH FIVE FOR EVERY YEAR OF THAT FIVE YEAR PERIOD. SIMILAR, SIMILAR WAY THAT WE DO OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. WE WILL COME BACK TO YOU EVERY YEAR WITH THAT YEAR'S PLAN TO SPEND $1 MILLION A YEAR AS PART OF THE EITHER THE CAPITAL BUDGET, PROBABLY THE CAPITAL BUDGET AND O&M BUDGET FOR THE STREETS DEPARTMENT. STAFF IS. REQUEST APPROVAL OF THE CITYWIDE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PLAN BY JOHNSON ENGINEERING, BY PROVIDING CONSENSUS TO THE ANNUAL REVIEW OF THE PAVEMENT PRIORITY LIST. WITH THAT, I'LL INTRODUCE JOSH HILDEBRAND WITH JOHNSON ENGINEERING. YOU RECOGNIZE HIM FROM APRIL WHEN HE PRESENTED THE FIRST INITIAL PLAN. HE WILL GO OVER THIS PLAN. 
          WE ALSO HAVE DAVID RIVERA, OUR STREETS MANAGER, WHO OVERSEES THE PAVING PROJECTS, AND ALLISON BECKETT. OUR DEPUTY CITY ENGINEER. WITH THAT, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO JOSH. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M JOSH HILDEBRAND WITH JOHNSON ENGINEERING. I'LL BE GOING OVER THE PAVEMENT MANAGEMENT PLAN BEFORE WE GET INTO THE DETAILS. I JUST WANTED TO GO THROUGH AN OUTLINE OF TODAY'S PRESENTATION. WE'RE GOING TO TOUCH ON THE PROJECT BACKGROUND, SOME SUPPLEMENTAL INFORMATION TO WHAT BOB PROVIDED. GO THROUGH THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, THE TIMELINE, A QUICK RECAP OF HOW WE PERFORMED THE FIELD ASSESSMENT AND THE THE RATINGS. THE FINDINGS OF THE REPORT, THE 20, THE FIVE YEAR AND THE 25 YEAR PLAN, AND THEN A SUMMARY OF OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. SO WITH THAT, THE PROJECT BACKGROUND. SO WHAT IS INCLUDED IN THE PLAN? IT IS THE CITY OWNED MAINTAINED STREETS, THE ADJACENT ON STREET PARKING BIKE LANES. WE ALSO LOOKED AT, AT THE REQUEST OF STAFF, FIVE LIMITED COMMERCIAL ALLEYS WHICH ARE INCLUDED IN THE PLAN. WHAT THE PLAN DOES NOT INCLUDE OR FDOT MAINTAINED CORRIDORS AND COUNTY MAINTAINED CORRIDORS. THIS INCLUDES US 41 GOODLETTE-FRANK ROAD, GOLDEN GATE PARKWAY, AND IT ALSO EXCLUDES CITY OWNED PARKS, GREENWAYS, BRICK PAVER AREAS AND THEN ALSO ANY BRIDGES THAT HAVE A CONCRETE DECK. SOME OF THE GOALS AND OBJECTIVES WERE TO PERFORM A COMPREHENSIVE FIELD ASSESSMENT OF THE EXISTING PAVEMENT CONDITION WITHIN THE CITY. WE DID DO 120 PAVEMENT COURSES THROUGHOUT THE CITY. YOU MAY HAVE SEEN OUR SUBCONSULTANTS TIERRA'S TRUCKS OUT THERE. CORING LOOKED LIKE A DRILL LAST FALL. THIS WAS PERFORMED DURING THE NOVEMBER DECEMBER TIME FRAME. FROM THERE, WE LOOKED AT POTENTIAL REHABILITATION STRATEGIES, OPPORTUNITIES TO INCREASE RESILIENCY, AND THEN ALSO COST ESTIMATES TO REHABILITATE THESE CORRIDORS. AND THEN FINALLY, FROM THERE, WE DEVELOPED A PLAN IN CONJUNCTION WITH STAFF FOR A SHORT AND LONG TERM MAINTENANCE OF ALL CITY MAINTAINED ROADS. AS FAR AS THE TIMELINE BOB MENTIONED, WE WERE HERE IN APRIL. WE'RE BACK HERE TODAY TO PRESENT THE FINAL FINDINGS AND THEN HOPEFULLY BEGIN THE 2025 IMPLEMENTATION OF SOME SPECIFIC STREETS, HOPEFULLY BEGINNING NEXT MONTH OR LATER THIS MONTH. SO GETTING INTO THE FIELD ASSESSMENT, WE USE WHAT'S CALLED A PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX, A RATING FOR ALL THE CORRIDORS. OUR AREA STUDY INCLUDED THE CITY, THE CITY OF NAPLES LIMITS THAT YOU CAN SEE HERE ON THE SCREEN. INCLUDED IN THAT WERE 113 MILES OF TWO TWO WAY PAVED STREETS, WHICH WE SUBDIVIDED INTO 300 309 SEGMENTS THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE PLAN. AND THEN THOSE THOSE ALLEYWAYS THAT I MENTIONED, WHICH WERE APPROXIMATELY ONE MILE IN LENGTH. SO WHAT EXACTLY IS A PAVEMENT CONDITION INDEX RATING? I, I COULD TELL YOU, BUT I THOUGHT IT'D BE SIMPLER TO SHOW YOU WITH WITH A VISUALIZATION. SO WHAT YOU HAVE HERE ON THE SCREEN, AS YOU CAN SEE IN THE TOP RIGHT, A GOOD WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE IS A NEWLY PAVED ROAD. AS PAVEMENT AGES, IT DOES CRACK, IT BECOMES BRITTLE, IT OXIDIZES, AND YOU CAN EXPECT DETERIORATION OVER A PERIOD OF TIME AT DIFFERENT RATES FOR DIFFERENT ROADS, ALL THE WAY DOWN TO WHAT WE LABELED AS THE THE POOR CONDITION THAT YOU CAN SEE IN THE BOTTOM LEFT OF YOUR SCREEN. THOSE RESULTS THAT RESULTED IN ON THE CITY STREETS, 96 OF THE 309 SEGMENTS BEING IN GOOD CONDITION. THESE WERE PREDOMINANTLY THE STREETS THAT HAVE BEEN PAVED WITHIN THE LAST 5 TO 10 YEARS. 179 THIS WAS THE MAJORITY WERE IN THAT 
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SATISFACTORY CONDITION, 32 AND FAIR. AND THEN THERE WERE TWO SEGMENTS THAT SHOWED EXCESSIVE DETERIORATION IN A IN A POOR CONDITION. THE RESULTS ARE GOING TO BE MADE AVAILABLE IN GIS. THE GRAPHIC ON THE RIGHT SHOWS WHAT WILL BE LOADED INTO THE CITY'S GIS SYSTEM, AND THIS WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR FOR PUBLIC VIEWING. AND THEN JUST TO KIND JUST TO CONCLUDE OF THAT ANALYSIS OF THE 113 TWO WAY MILES, THAT'S 0.23 MILES WERE IN POOR CONDITION. A LITTLE OVER 12 WERE IN FAIR CONDITION, 67 WERE IN THAT SATISFACTORY. AND THEN APPROXIMATELY 34.5 WERE IN GOOD CONDITION, WITH AN OVERALL AVERAGE OF OF SATISFACTORY. AS WE MOVED IN TO LOOKING AT A RANKING, A A SUGGESTION FOR, FOR FOR RANKING THE CORRIDORS, WE DID TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE TRUCK, THE PREFERRED TRUCK ROUTES AS PART OF THAT SCORING EVALUATION, A SMALL COMPONENT OF THE. THE TOTAL SCORE WAS ATTRIBUTED TO THE PREFERRED TRUCK ROUTES WITHIN THE CITY. SO ONCE THE TRUCK ROUTES THE PCI WERE PUT TOGETHER, WE DEVELOPED A A PROGRAM WITH STAFF. I'M GOING TO GO THROUGH THE 25, 26, 27 AND THEN 28 AND 29 FIVE YEAR PROGRAM WITH YOU. I DID PRESENT THIS SLIDE IN APRIL. I DO WANT TO MAKE ONE UPDATE. SINCE APRIL, DAVE HAS SUCCESSFULLY GONE THROUGH A BIDDING PROCESS OF THE INITIAL 2025 PROGRAM, AND I'M PLEASED TO SAY THEY DID COME IN A LITTLE BIT UNDER BUDGET, WHICH PRESENTS SOME OPPORTUNITIES. IN ADDITION, THERE WAS A STORMWATER PROJECT ON SECOND STREET FROM BROAD AVENUE SOUTH TO FIFTH AVENUE THAT THAT STAFF HAS RECOMMENDED INCLUDED INTO THE 2025 YEAR PROGRAM. AND WITH THAT, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO DAVE TO TOUCH UPON THE 2025 PROGRAM. COUNCIL. DAVE RIVERA, TRAFFIC OPERATIONS SUPERINTENDENT. YES, I, LIKE JOSH, MENTIONED, I TOOK THE LIST AND PROVIDED IT TO TO BOTH OF OUR VENDORS, AND IT WAS A VERY COMPETITIVE BID THIS YEAR. BUT PMI ENDED UP COMING OUT AHEAD OF BO'NESS. AND I MEAN WHEN I MEAN COMPETITIVE, IT WAS LIKE $4,000 DIFFERENCE BETWEEN BOTH OF THEM. SO WE HAVE THESE ROADS AND BECAUSE OF THAT DOLLAR FIGURE AND WE ADDED SECOND STREET, LIKE YOU MENTIONED WE STILL HAD THE 1.5. SO WHAT WE'RE DOING IS TAKING TWO OF THE ROADS FROM NEXT YEAR, THE 2026, INCORPORATING THEM INTO THIS YEAR TO GET AT THAT 1.5. AND THEN WE'LL JUST HAVE TO ADJUST THE 2026 YEAR, BRINGING SOME FROM THE 27 YEAR UP. SO THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION THAT THANKS TO MR. YOUNG AND STEFAN, WE HAVE SOME FUN THROUGH THE THE IAN FUND AND WE PLAN ON RESTORING 15 16TH AND THIRD AVENUE SOUTH BEACH ENDS THIS YEAR AS PART OF THIS AS WELL. SO. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO BRING UP. OKAY, JOSH THANK YOU DAVE, I DID QUICKLY WANT TO GO OVER THE THE FOLLOWING FOUR YEARS WITHIN THE FIVE YEAR PROGRAM STARTING WITH 2026. AND AS DAVE MENTIONED, THE BECAUSE OF THE OPPORTUNITY, DUE TO THE THE LOWER THAN ANTICIPATED BIDS, THIS WILL THE REQUEST IS THIS FOR THIS TO BE SHIFTED THROUGH THROUGH THE PROGRAM. SO SOME FROM 2026 WILL MOVE INTO 2025 AND SO ON. BUT THE 2026 PROGRAM IS CURRENTLY FUNDED FOR FOR $1 MILLION. THESE ARE THE SEGMENTS. AGAIN, ALL THESE SEGMENTS WILL BE PROVIDED TO TO STAFF TO THE CITY AND GIS. SIMILAR TO THE GRAPHIC YOU SEE ON THE RIGHT, THE 2027 PROGRAM WILL INCLUDE FIVE CORRIDORS. THE 2028 WILL HAVE SIX CORRIDORS, AND THEN FINALLY THEY'RE A LITTLE BIT LONGER SEGMENTS THE 2029 PROGRAM, THE WAY THE RECOMMENDATION ORDER WAS FOR PARK SHORE DRIVE AND FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH IN IN SUMMARY, THE FIVE YEAR PROGRAM, IT WILL BE IT'S PROPOSED FOR APPROXIMATELY 29 TOTAL LANE MILES AS PART OF 
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THE PROGRAM. WITHIN THAT, APPROXIMATELY $5.5 MILLION PROGRAM. PLEASE NOTE THAT THE THE COST PER PER LANE MILE FLUCTUATES A LITTLE BIT IF THERE'S ON STREET PARKING OR IF WE HAVE A DIFFERENT PAVEMENT DEPTH OR A SLIGHTLY WIDER PAVEMENT WIDTH. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THE SLIGHT DIFFERENCES IN THE TOTAL LANE COST. BUT IN GENERAL, 29 MILES IS WHAT'S BEING RECOMMENDED WITHIN THE SEGMENTS HERE SHOWN SHOWN ON THE RIGHT. WITH THAT, TODAY WE'RE HERE TO ASK FOR CONSENSUS OF THE 2025 RESURFACING PROGRAM TO BEGIN LATER THIS MONTH, AND THEN ALSO PROCEED GENERALLY WITH BOTH THE SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE PLAN. WITH THAT, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. COUNCIL. 
          PETRONAS. YOU KNOW, I'VE RECEIVED THIS, AND I DROVE AROUND SOME OF THE STREETS AND SOME OF THE STREETS LOOK LIKE THEY'RE UNSATISFACTORY IN A CERTAIN AREA, BUT THEY'RE NO LONGER THERE. THEY'RE NOWHERE ON THIS REPORT. DID YOU HOW DID YOU SAMPLE? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE AS WE GO, AS WE GO TO THE BEACH FROM HEADING FROM EAST TO TO GOING WEST, THE ROADS DETERIORATE, I THINK BECAUSE OF THE HURRICANE AND SOME OF THE FLOODING, DID WE EQUALLY SAMPLE ALONG THE WHOLE STREETS? WE DID SO. AND EVERY STREET, EVERY STREET. SO OF THE 113 TOTAL MILES, THOSE WERE FURTHER BROKEN DOWN INTO 309 SEGMENTS. WE DID VIDEO. WE DID MAKE A VIDEO RECORDING OF EVERY SEGMENT, AND THEN WE DID. I DON'T KNOW IF I HAVE I'M I DON'T BELIEVE I HAVE A COPY OF OF THE ASSESSMENT REPORT IN THE PRESENTATION. BUT THERE WERE THERE WERE DEDUCTIONS BASED OFF OF THE FREQUENCY OF WHETHER IT WAS A CERTAIN TYPE OF CRACKING OR RUTTING OR THERE WERE DIFFERENT PAVEMENT FAILURES AND THEN THE SEVERITY, AND THEN THAT WAS DEDUCTED FROM A 100%, 100% SCORE. SO THAT IS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD FOR HOW THESE ASSESSMENTS ARE CONDUCTED. AND YOU ARE RIGHT, THERE ARE GOING TO BE SOME LONGER STRETCHES WHERE THERE MAY BE A SMALL ISOLATED PATCH OR TWO OF SOME MORE EXCESSIVE CRACKING. WE DO GENERALLY LOOK AT THE WHOLE WHOLE CORRIDOR. I DO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THOSE CORRIDORS HAVE SOME SOME DIFFERENCES THROUGHOUT THE LENGTH. I TRIED TO TO BREAK THOSE UP WHERE, WHERE WE COULD, BUT THERE MAY STILL BE SOME ISOLATED POCKETS, WHICH I BELIEVE DAVE HAS HISTORICALLY HANDLED WITHIN THE MAINTENANCE PROGRAM. IF THERE'S A POTHOLE OR SOME SMALLER ISOLATED TYPE FAILURE. OKAY, SO THERE'S TWO POTS OF MONEY, ONE FOR THIS PROACTIVE, YOU KNOW, REHABILITATING STREETS AS I PROACTIVELY IDENTIFYING. AND THEN THERE'S THINGS THAT RESIDENTS MAY CALL IN AND SAY I'VE GOT THIS BIG POTHOLE IN FRONT OF MY AND THAT. AND THAT'S TAKEN OUT OF A DIFFERENT POOL. I HAVE AN OPERATION ACCOUNT THAT I ADDRESS. ANY POTHOLES, ANY BROKEN SIDEWALKS, VALLEY GUTTERS, STUFF LIKE THAT. SO OKAY. THANK YOU. AND LET ME ALSO SAY THAT PMI IS ACTUALLY STARTING TODAY REPLACING ALL THE MANHOLES OUT THERE THAT WERE IDENTIFIED BY THE STORMWATER AND WASTEWATER COLLECTION. AND THEN WE'LL BE STARTING PAVING THE 15TH OF THIS MONTH. THEN THE SECOND THING IS MORE OF AN OPERATIONAL QUESTION THAT I HAD WAS, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE, LIKE I THOUGHT I SAW IN THE OUTER YEARS, FIFTH AVENUE WAS ONE OF THEM. IS THERE AN OPPORTUNITY, GIVEN THAT MOST OF THE TRAFFIC IS NOT FROM CITY RESIDENTS YET THE THE PRICE OF THESE ARE BORNE BY TAXPAYERS THAT ARE CITY RESIDENTS TO GET, YOU KNOW, OTHER FUNDING FROM THE COUNTY OR TDC FUNDING FOR, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE BRINGING TOURISTS INTO TOURIST AREAS LIKE FIFTH AVENUE THAT COULD SUBSIDIZE THE COST OF THESE. IF YOU DON'T ASK, YOU DON'T. THAT'S THAT'S. YEAH. THAT COMMENT IS, YOU KNOW, THE TDC, I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY FOR FUNDING FOR FOR DOING MORE OF OUR STREETS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE CORRECT ON FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH. THAT'S. YEAH. AND THE LOOKY LOOS ON GULF SHORES, YOU KNOW THEY'RE LOOKY LOOS ON GORDON. YOU KNOW, IT'S IT JUST SEEMS THINGS IN FRONT OF HOTELS JUST SCREAMED TO ME TDC FUNDING. YEAH, YEAH. I MEAN, YOU KNOW WE'RE WE'RE THE CITY IS PUTTING UP $1 MILLION A YEAR AND WE'RE GETTING OVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD, 
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I THINK I WROTE DOWN 20, 29 MILES OF ROAD OUT OF 113. SO IF YOU COULD EVEN DOUBLE THAT ANNUALLY, YOU KNOW, WE COULD WE COULD DOUBLE GO FROM 30 MILES TO 60 MILES A YEAR. SO IF I HAVE MY NUMBERS CORRECT. SO YEAH, FUNDING RIGHT NOW IS LIMITED, LIMITING US ON WHAT WE CAN DO. OKAY. AND THIS PAVING DOES IT DOES IT NOT INCLUDE THE THAT BYPRODUCT THAT WAS TALKED ABOUT TWO AND A HALF YEARS AGO FROM THE STATE FROM THE WHAT IS IT THOSE THAT MINING OPERATION WHERE THEY SAID THEY COULD ADD IT TO OUR TO OUR PAVING HIGHWAYS. OH, IT'S JUST FOR HIGHWAY PHOSPHATE. PHOSPHATE. THEY'RE THE EXPERTS. BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I RECALL. THAT WAS A TEST. THAT WAS A PILOT TEST. OKAY. WITH THAT. AND FROM THEN, NOW SINCE THEN, I THINK THE STATE HAS SAID IT DIDN'T WASN'T SUCCESSFUL. OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER CHRISTMANN. 
          GREAT JOB, STAFF AND CONSULTANT ON ON THIS AND VERY WELL LAID OUT. AND, YOU KNOW, COMPREHENSIVE AND WORKING WITHIN OUR FUNDING LIMITATIONS. I THINK YOU LAID OUT A GOOD SET OF PRIORITIES AS FAR AS I CAN. SEE AND APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK ON IT. I HAVE A RELATED ISSUE I WANT TO RAISE, AND I THINK THIS IS A GOOD MOMENT TO DO IT, AND IT HAS TO DO WITH SPEED LIMITS AND ON THE, ON THE CHART OF ALL STREETS, THEY LIST THE SPEED LIMITS. AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DRIVE AROUND NAPLES, YOU'LL, YOU SEE SPEED LIMIT SIGNS. AND THERE'S A LOT OF SIGNS THAT YOU COME ACROSS THAT SAY SPEED LIMIT 25 MILES AN HOUR. AND THEN RIGHT BELOW IT, IT SAYS ALL STREETS. AND THAT'S TRUE TILL YOU GET ON THE NEXT STREET. I WAS ON FIRST AVENUE SOUTH THE OTHER DAY, AND I TURNED OFF A GULF SHORE ONTO FIRST AVENUE SOUTH. SAW THAT SIGN, AND I TURNED LEFT ON SECOND AND TURNED RIGHT ON CENTRAL AND SAW 30 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT SIGN ON CENTRAL. AND AS AS WE KNOW, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF STREETS THAT ARE 30 IN THE CITY. 
          AND I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT I'M EXCLUDING GOLDEN GATE AND, AND 41 AND AND SO ON. 
          GOODLETTE-FRANK. MOST IF YOU LOOK AT THE CHART IN THE AGENDA MATERIAL, MOST OF OUR SPEED LIMITS ARE 25. BUT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF STREETS CREIGHTON, GULF SHORE CENTRAL THAT ARE 30 OR SOMETIMES OCCASIONALLY MAYBE 35. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF HOMES THAT HAVE APPROACHED ME ANYWAY WITH CONCERNS ABOUT SPEED LIMITS IN THE TOWN. AND ALSO THERE'S A RELATED ISSUE THAT'S BEEN BUBBLING UP AROUND ENFORCEMENT OF AROUND SPEEDERS. AND THERE'S A VIEW THAT ALL OF OUR LOCAL STREETS SHOULD BE 25 MILES AN HOUR MAX. AND I KNOW THE CHIEF HAS BEEN IN COMMUNICATION WITH A LOT OF THESE FOLKS ABOUT ABOUT THIS AND IS AWARE OF IT. AND, AND THE DEPARTMENT'S AWARE OF IT. AND THERE'S CONVERSATIONS GOING ON AROUND WHETHER AND HOW THIS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ARE THE RULES AROUND WHICH YOU CAN ADJUST SPEED LIMITS BECAUSE THERE ARE RULES AND PROCESSES. MISS PICKETT KNOWS AND I'M SURE YOU KNOW, MR. RIVERA, HOW YOU DO THIS, BUT I, I JUST WANTED TO PUT THIS ON THE TABLE BECAUSE I REALLY THINK IT'S TIME FOR US TO TO TO LOOK AT THIS. I DON'T KNOW, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE I DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION YET WHETHER IN FACT, ALL OF OUR LOCAL STREETS SHOULD BE 25 MILES AN HOUR, IF THAT'S IF THAT'S THE ANSWER. BUT IF THEY'RE NOT, OUR SIGNAGE IS WRONG, I'LL TELL YOU THAT. AND AND AND AND I JUST WANTED TO RAISE THIS BECAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE A GOOD MOMENT TO DO SO AND GET A REACTION FROM STAFF AND SUGGEST THAT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT STAFF SHOULD CONTINUE TO LOOK AT AND APPROPRIATE TIME TO BRING BACK TO US WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS. IF I MAY, I CAN ANSWER SOME OF THAT. PROBABLY GUESSING ON A DATE. I THINK IT WAS 2007 WHEN COUNCIL DECIDED TO CONVERT THE CITY TO 25 MILES AN HOUR, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 6 TO 7 ROADS. AND THE REASON THEY SAY ALL STREETS IS WE ENDED UP INSTALLING OVER 250 SIGNS IN THE CITY WITH 25 MILE AN HOUR. AND THE REASON WE DID THAT THERE WERE CERTAIN CORRIDORS, SO WE PUT THEM ON 
          [04:15:05]
THE OUTLINE OF THAT CORRIDOR. SO IT SAYS ALL STREETS. SO WITHIN THAT AREA IT'S 25 MILES AN HOUR. ONCE YOU COME OUT OF IT, YOU GOT THE 30 MILE AN HOUR. SO THAT'S HOW THE ALL STREETS CAME ABOUT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT, THAT THAT MADE ME THAT THAT FACT MAY NOT BE KNOWN TO ALL PEOPLE DRIVING AUTOMOBILES IN NAPLES. AND AND I WANT TO EMPHASIZE, YOU KNOW, I KIND OF DEDUCED WHEN I, WHEN I REALLY DUG INTO THE DATA THAT THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A DECISION MADE SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY FOR THE, YOU KNOW, THE STREETS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, SHALL WE SAY, MORE ARTERIAL STREETS, I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO DESCRIBE IT, YOU KNOW, HAVING MORE THROUGH TRAFFIC AND SO ON GULF SHORE BOULEVARD AND SO ON TO MAKE THE SPEED LIMIT A LITTLE HIGHER THERE. I CAN TELL YOU THOSE ARE THE VARIOUS VERY STREETS, THOUGH, CREIGHTON, GULF SHORE BOULEVARD, BANYAN, WHERE I HEAR THE GREATEST NUMBER OF CONCERNS ABOUT CARS DRIVING TOO FAST. AND OF COURSE, WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT IN TERMS OF ENFORCEMENT, WHATEVER THE SPEED LIMIT IS, THE REALITY IS IT'S PLUS TEN, RIGHT? IT'S ALWAYS PLUS TEN. NINE, NINE PLUS NINE PLUS NINE OKAY. CALL IT NINE. SO SO AGAIN MAYBE YOU KNOW THERE'S THERE'S MULTIPLE CONSIDERATIONS HERE I RECOGNIZE ABOUT YOU KNOW I MEAN SAFETY IS PARAMOUNT OBVIOUSLY. BUT THEN YOU'VE GOT, YOU KNOW TRYING TO FACILITATE TRAFFIC FLOW AND AND SO ON. AND I'M NOT I'M NOT PREJUDGING WHAT THE ACTION SHOULD BE. I'M MERELY SAYING THAT I THINK IT'S IT'S IT'S TIME FOR US TO REVISIT THAT 2007 ACTION. AND PERHAPS WE WANT TO LEAVE IT IN PLACE. 
          MAYBE WE WANT TO MODIFY IT. I DON'T KNOW, BUT I THINK BASED ON ON WHERE WHAT I'M HEARING IN TERMS OF CONCERNS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, I THINK THIS IS PROBABLY A GOOD TIME RIGHT NOW TO REVISIT IT. I MIGHT ADD THE THE STREETS THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO THAT ARE AT 30MPH ARE IDENTIFIED IN BOTH WELL, AND THEY'RE IDENTIFIED AS OUR COLLECTOR STREETS WITHIN THERE. 
          AND THOSE WERE SET TYPICALLY I BELIEVE I DID I ACTUALLY DID A PRESENTATION ON SPEED LIMITS A WHILE BACK, AND PARTICULARLY GULF SHORE BOULEVARD. I THINK WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE PROJECT AND SOME CHANGES THAT WE'RE MAKING ALONG THAT CORRIDOR, I THINK AT THE TIME WE WERE LOOKING AT MODIFYING THAT FROM 30 TO 25. I CHECKED WITH THE STATE. AND BECAUSE TYPICALLY I THINK THAT FOR LOCAL ROADS, THERE WERE TO BE SET AT 30MPH, UNLESS WE ELECT TO OTHERWISE THEN THERE TO BE, THEY CAN BE DROPPED ACCORDINGLY. WHEN WE DID A STUDY, AT LEAST ON GULF SHORE BOULEVARD PRESENTED THAT, AND IT WAS DETERMINED AT THAT TIME TO TO STAY WITH THE 30MPH IN THAT SECTION. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN SOME TIME SINCE WE HAD VISITED THAT DISCUSSION. AND I HAVE HEARD SOME OF THE COMPLAINTS. I THINK SOMETIMES THE PROBLEM IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE SPEEDERS ALONG THE SECTION AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT. YOU KNOW, WE EVALUATE BASED ON THE 85TH PERCENTILE AND CHECK THE SPEED LIMIT. AND SOMETIMES IT'S JUST THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE ROAD THAT WE AND THAT'S WHAT WE EVALUATE UPON BASED UPON AND COMPARE WHEN WE DO THE EVALUATION. BUT SOMETIMES IT'S JUST THAT THE DRIVERS AND THERE'S, THERE'S THOSE, THOSE DRIVERS THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE SPEED LIMIT IS, THEY'RE GOING TO THEY'RE GOING TO DRIVE TO. BUT BUT I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM. AND WE CAN WELL, AGAIN, I REALLY WOULD WANT TO HEAR WHAT THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND, AND OUR, AND OUR, OUR ROADS DEPARTMENT STAFF WOULD HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT. AND AFTER YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO REALLY LOOK AT IT, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF COMPLAINTS ABOUT SPEEDING. THESE CAN OFTEN BE RANDOM KINDS OF INCIDENTS THAT ARE VERY NOTICEABLE. AND WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE IN FEW CITIES, DO A POLICE FORCE LARGE ENOUGH TO BE STATIONED EVERYWHERE AT ONCE TO, YOU KNOW, ENFORCE THESE LAWS. BUT THE ARGUMENT WOULD BE THAT IF YOU HAVE A, SHALL WE SAY, A MORE MODEST UNIFORM SPEED LIMIT, IT IT IT HAS SOME DETERRENT EFFECT IN TERMS OF HOW FAST PEOPLE DRIVE. THAT WOULD BE THE ARGUMENT. BUT ANYWAY, SPEEDERS ARE VOCALS DURING THIS TIME OF YEAR BECAUSE WE HAVE LESS TRAFFIC, SO THEY'RE ABLE TO GO FASTER. SO THAT'S ONE THAT'S TRUE TOO. YEAH. YEAH. THAT'S WHY WE LIKE IT IN SEASON WHEN 
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THERE'S MORE TRAFFIC. FEWER PEOPLE CAN SPEED UP. ANYWAY, I WOULD JUST MR. MIDDLETON, MISS BICKET, MR. RIVERA, MR. YOUNG JUST AS I AS I SAID, I KNOW THE CHIEF AND HIS PEOPLE ARE ALREADY LOOKING AT THIS AND HAVE SOME DISCUSSIONS AND. I FEEL LIKE YOU'LL BE HEARING FROM THE FROM THE COMMUNITY ON THIS AS WE GET BACK. PEOPLE GET BACK INTO TOWN. SO THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT I SUSPECT IS GOING TO BE RISING UP IN TERMS OF PUBLIC INPUT AS WELL. THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO. I'M LOOKING COUNCILOR. FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH, I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 27 AND I'M LOOKING AT PAGE 38 FROM THE REPORT THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US. AND I THINK I'VE COUNTED THERE OVER 20 STREETS. THEY'RE CONSIDERED TO BE SATISFACTORY AND A FEW THAT ARE FAIR. WE KNOW AND YOU KNOW AS WELL AS WE DO THAT AS WE PROGRESS ALONG THIS TRAJECTORY OF CALENDAR YEARS. THAT MANY OF THE STREETS THAT ARE LISTED AS SATISFACTORY ARE GOING TO BE PRONE TO SALT WATER INVASION. IF IT ISN'T FROM THE GULF, IT'S GOING TO BE FROM UNDERNEATH. 
          TELL ME WHAT YOU CONSIDER TO BE A SHELF LIFE FOR A SATISFACTORY STREET. SO THERE'S NO SPECIFIC TIME FRAME WHERE A ROAD IS GOOD AND THEN JUST JUST BAD BY A FUNCTION OF TIME. THEY THEY DETERIORATE AT DIFFERENT RATES FOR DIFFERENT CONDITIONS. THERE COULD BE UNDERLYING CONDITIONS. 
          THERE COULD BE OTHER FACTORS SUCH AS HEAVY TRUCK TRAFFIC. I WHAT I HAVE UP ON THE SCREEN IS THE AS FAR AS THE PCI RATING, THE SATISFACTORY ROADS WILL STILL HAVE SOME SPORADIC STARTING TO CRACK AREAS, OR MAYBE SOME EARLY SIGNS OF SETTLEMENT. AND YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. AS AS PAVEMENT AGES, IT WILL EVENTUALLY DETERIORATE. NOW, WHETHER THAT I'VE SEEN ROADS WHERE THEY START TO HAVE CRACKING WITHIN A COUPLE YEARS, I'VE SEEN ROADS THAT ARE OVER 25 YEARS OLD THAT THAT THAT STILL LOOK IN FAIRLY DECENT CONDITION. YOU CAN TELL THEY'RE OLDER, BUT AS FAR AS THE, EXCUSE ME, THE STREETS WITHIN THE CITY, I DO EXPECT THE ONES THAT ARE IN THIS SATISFACTORY. AND WE FOLLOWED THE NATIONAL SCALE FOR THAT. SO THERE IS STILL SATISFACTORY. DOESN'T MEAN THEY'RE IN PERFECT CONDITION. THEY THEY ARE STARTING TO SHOW EARLY SIGNS AND THERE IS A RANGE WITHIN THAT SATISFACTORY. SO YOU CAN EXPECT OVER TIME THAT SOME OF THOSE, THOSE CORRIDORS WILL EVENTUALLY MOVE INTO THAT FAIR CONDITION. AND THEN ULTIMATELY, IF ENOUGH TIME PASSES EVENTUALLY IN A POOR CONDITION. SO I WOULD ANTICIPATE OVER TIME THAT THE CRACKS, SETTLEMENT AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT ARE CAUSING THE ROAD DETERIORATION WILL INCREASE OVER TIME. AND THAT'S WHY THE PROGRAM SET UP OVER A 25 YEAR PERIOD, THINK OF IT AS KIND OF A SLIDING SCALE AS AS PROJECTS AT THE TOP ARE, ARE REHABILITATED AND BECOME GOOD. THE WHOLE THING IS GOING TO KIND OF SHIFT UP OVER TIME TOGETHER. BUT DIFFERENT ROADS IN THE MIDDLE MAY DETERIORATE IT AT A DIFFERENT RATE. SO THAT'S THAT'S WHY THE MONITORING IS IMPORTANT. AND HAVING AND WE DO HAVE VIDEO DOCUMENTATION OF WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE LAST FALL AND HOPEFULLY HAVE VIDEOTAPE, VIDEO DOCUMENTATION TO COMPARE IT TO WHATEVER THAT THAT FUTURE CONDITION IS. SO YOU CAN MONITOR SOME OF THOSE, THOSE AREAS THAT ARE SHOWING EARLY SIGNS. SO DO I UNDERSTAND OR AM I MISUNDERSTANDING THE SALT WATER WILL OR WILL NOT HAVE AN APPRECIABLE EFFECT ON? PARTICULARLY? LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT SATISFACTORY WORK ROADS WHERE YOU'VE ALREADY GOT SOME CRACKING. SALT WATER WILL OR WILL NOT HAVE AN APPRECIABLE EFFECT ON THAT. IT WILL IF THERE IS CRACKING NOT JUST SALT WATER, BUT ANY WATER AS IT INFILTRATES THROUGH THAT TOP LAYER OF ASPHALT INTO WHAT'S TYPICALLY A LIME ROCK BASE. AS TRAFFIC RUNS OVER THOSE CRACKS, THEY WILL START TO TO EXPAND. AND AND WHEN YOU HAVE THAT SATURATED BASE, BE IT SALT WATER OR FRESH WATER, IT DOES CAUSE LONG TERM DETERIORATION 
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OF OF THE ASPHALT. JOSH THROUGH FRIDAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A 25 YEAR PROGRAM. YEP. WELL, THAT'S BASED ON THE PCI RIGHT NOW FOR THE STREETS OUT IN 25 YEARS. TAKE US THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO, YOU KNOW, FOR THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS AS FAR AS REEVALUATING THE PCI ON THOSE STREETS THAT MAY CHANGE THEIR ORDER. CORRECT. SO WITHIN THE REPORT, THERE'S A COUPLE HUNDRED PAGES THAT DO HAVE THE EVALUATION. THESE EVALUATION OCCURRED LAST FALL. 
          A FEW OF THEM DID OCCUR IN IN JANUARY AS WELL. BUT WE'RE ALSO HAVE THAT VIDEO DOCUMENTATION. 
          SO WE CAN GO IN AND LOOK AT AN ISOLATED LOCATION. AND IF WE SEE THAT THAT CRACKING IS EITHER HAVE GREATER SEVERITY, WHERE THE CRACKS ARE GETTING BIGGER AND SPRAWLING OUT OR JUST IN SOMETHING ELSE IS INCREASING ALONG THE ROAD, THAT PCI WILL SHIFT OVER TIME. AS PART OF THAT EVALUATION PROCESS. AND THAT'S WHY ON IN THE PROGRAM, STREETS THAT LOOK THAT WERE JUST PAVED A YEAR OR TWO AGO ARE STILL IN THE PROGRAM BECAUSE IT IS OVER TIME, WE ANTICIPATE THAT THERE WILL BE A GRADUAL DETERIORATION OVER THE NEXT 25 YEARS OF SOME OF THOSE THOSE CORRIDORS. COUNCILWOMAN JOSH DID LOOK AT THIS BECAUSE WE GENERALLY IN THE CITY, WE ALWAYS USED TO MILL JUST ONE INCH AND PUT BACK AN INCH. OKAY. BUT BASED ON HIS REPORT, WE ARE NOW GOING INCH AND A HALF, TWO INCHES TO ADDRESS THE THE CRACKING AND EVERYTHING. SO A LOT OF THESE ROADS THAT WE'RE DOING THIS YEAR, THEY'RE A LOT THICKER. SO WE'RE REMOVING A LOT OF THE BAD MATERIAL AND WE'RE PUTTING A THICKER ASPHALT TO HELP PROLONG THESE ROADS EVEN LONGER. THAT'S THAT'S VERY GOOD INFORMATION BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO IS THROW GOOD MONEY AFTER BAD. SO WHAT YOU'RE TELLING ME IS, IS THAT WITH THE TWO INCH OVERLAY THAT THE THAT THE LONGEVITY OF THAT PARTICULAR APPLICATION SHOULD LAST THAT MUCH LONGER BASED ON HIS EVALUATION OF THE ROADS WE'RE DOING FROM INCH AND A HALF TO TWO INCHES THIS YEAR. YEAH. AND WHAT WE DID AND THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF THE PAVEMENT. 
          CHORINES A LOT OF THOSE CORES OCCURRED ON TOP OF CRACKS, AND WE COULD SEE HOW DEEP THOSE CRACKS WENT INTO YOUR SECTION. AND THEN WE ADJUSTED THE MILLING THICKNESS TO TRY TO REMOVE THOSE CRACKS, TO HAVE BETTER LONG TERM MAINTENANCE RESULTS. OKAY. AND WERE YOU DONE EVALUATIONS IN OTHER PLACES WHERE THERE IS SALT WATER INTRUSION, DO YOU NOTICE THE ATTRITION RATE AS ACCELERATING BECAUSE OF THE INTRODUCTION OF SALT WATER? I DON'T KNOW SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SALT WATER, BUT WATER ITSELF DOES DOES CAUSE AN ISSUE WITH THE CRACKS, WHETHER IT'S IT'S FRESH OR SALT. SO I THINK GETTING THOSE CRACKS, THOSE THOSE CRACKS WILL REFLECT BACK THROUGH OVER TIME. SO IF YOU CAN MAINTAIN PAVEMENT SURFACE WITHOUT THE CRACKS, WITHOUT WHETHER SALT WATER OR FRESH WATER GETTING INTO IT, I THINK YOU'LL YOU'LL DEFINITELY HAVE BETTER LONG TERM PERFORMANCE ON ON YOUR ROAD FROM A MAINTENANCE STANDPOINT AND LONG TERM IN YOUR TERMINOLOGY MEANS 20 TO 25 YEARS IS WHAT WE'RE ESTIMATING. 
          AGAIN, IT IT CAN GO EITHER WAY OKAY OKAY. GOOD ANSWERS. THANK YOU. OTHER COMMENTS. WELL I, I AM APPRECIATIVE OF THIS, BUT I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE SO MANY GOOD STREETS BECAUSE I THINK MOST OF OUR STREETS, AFTER JUST DRIVING AROUND IN THE COMMUNITY, THEY'RE ALL ALLIGATOR AND IF NOT WORSE. SO. I'M THANKFUL THAT WE ARE NOW MOVING FORWARD. 
          SO HEAR ME THEN. I'M APPRECIATIVE THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD IN THE PAVEMENT PROGRAM. 
          BUT. WE NEED TO DO MORE AND WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS OF UPGRADING OUR WATER AND SEWER AND HOW THESE STREETS ARE AFFECTED. CERTAINLY DON'T WANT TO REPAVE A STREET. AND THEN. HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE THAT NEEDS TO GO AND BE UPGRADED AND THEN HAVE TO REPAVE AGAIN. AND WHAT I SEE IS THERE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OF THE REDEVELOPMENT, ARE WE INCLUDING ANY TYPE OF, YOU KNOW, ACCOUNTABILITY FOR BUILDERS OR ANYBODY ELSE WHEN THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPING A WHOLE STREET AND THEN THE WHOLE STREET BECOMES DETERIORATED AND 
          [04:30:08]
EVEN, I MEAN, I SEE GULF SHORE BOULEVARD, I MEAN, THE GULFSHORE PLAYHOUSE, LIKE, ARE WE THINKING AHEAD WHEN WE'RE BUILDING THESE PROJECTS THAT OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO REPAVE? WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, ANY LANGUAGE BUILT INTO OUR CODE, PARTICULARLY TO ENFORCE THAT. BUT WE HAVE WHEN WE'VE HAD SOME OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS, PARTICULARLY IF THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL UNITS BUILT ALONG A CERTAIN SECTION OF ROAD, IT THE ALLEYWAYS TYPICALLY GET A LOT OF CONSTRUCTED BECAUSE THAT'S USUALLY WHERE THEY SET UP FOR THE CONSTRUCTION. THERE'S A LOT OF DETERIORATION. DAMAGE THAT IS, THAT HAS, YOU KNOW, TO TO DAMAGE THOSE ALLEYWAYS. SO WE TYPICALLY DO REQUEST OR I REQUEST AS PART OF THE RESTORATION WHEN THEY'RE COMPLETE TO MILL AND RESURFACE UPON COMPLETION, IT SHOULD BE IN BETTER, AT LEAST BETTER CONDITION THAN WHEN THEY STARTED. SO WE ARE KEEPING AN EYE, AT LEAST ON THE ALLEYWAYS AND THE DAMAGE THAT THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, PUTTING IN PLACE FROM THIS CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY. THE ROADS ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT STORY. AND I ALSO I WORK WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. I ABIDE THE LIST THAT WE'RE DOING. I ALSO ASK THEM TO REACH OUT TO THEM, TO ALL THE CONTRACTORS, BECAUSE SOME CONTRACTORS WILL REACH OUT TO ME AND SAY, WHY ARE YOU PAVING THIS? WHY CAN'T YOU WAIT? I SAID, BECAUSE NEXT WEEK THAT HOUSE WILL BE GONE AND I'LL NEVER GET THE ROADS DONE, SO. BUT WE WE ASK THEM TO PLEASE PROVIDE PLYWOOD TO PUT ON THE BRAND NEW ROADS FOR ANY ROLL OFFS OR ANY DUMP TRUCKS THAT ARE GOING TO BE TURNING HARD ON THEIR. IF NOT, THEN THEY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE. LIKE ALLISON SAID, WE'RE GOING TO MAKE A MILL AND REPAVE THE ROAD ON THEIR DIME. IF THEY DAMAGE OUR ROADS. SO. I SO THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. ALSO, I DON'T SEE FOREST ON HERE. HAS ANYBODY SEEN FOREST LANE? I SAW FOREST ROAD AND I AND IF IT GETS PAVED I'M GOING TO BE UPSET. BUT I HAVE LIVED THERE FOR 33 YEARS AND THE ROADS NEVER BEEN PAVED. SO I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW IT COULD HAVE GOTTEN A GOOD OR A FAIR ANYTHING. AND I'M SERIOUS. I'M NOT ASKING. I'M DO NOT COME AND PAY MY RENT, BUT I JUST HAD TO USE IT AS AN EXAMPLE BECAUSE I, YOU KNOW, I'M LIKE, WELL, MY STREET HAS NEVER BEEN PAVED. SO SOMEHOW ALONG THE WAY, WE NEED TO GET, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THE PROGRAM AND HOW WE ANALYZE IT. AND I KNOW SOMETIMES IT'S THE SQUEAKY WHEEL THAT GETS FIXED, BUT WE REALLY HAVE SOME SERIOUS ISSUES ON. I MEAN, I EVEN THINK WE SHOULD BUY ONE A PAVER OURSELVES AND ADD IT INTO OUR DEPARTMENT BECAUSE WE JUST WE CAN'T KEEP UP WITH IT. IT'S A MESS. AND THEN I'LL JUST PUT THAT OUT THERE ON MAYOR. IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO PAVE YOUR ROAD, COULD THEY PAY MINE? YEAH. YES. WE DO. DO WE DECLARE WHETHER WE HAD A POLICY ON ALLEYS BEING PAVED VERSUS SHOW? WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT POLICY YET. 
          I THINK WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT COUNCIL. SO CAN WE BRING THAT BACK. AND MISS PICKETT IN YOU LOOKING AT THE CODES, CAN YOU ANALYZE THOSE WITH, YOU KNOW, AND GIVE US RECOMMENDATIONS OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO BRING OUR CODES UP SO THAT WE ARE FOCUSED IN ON NOT BEING HAND TIED TO MAKING THE CHANGES THAT NEED TO HAPPEN. YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT DECISION MADE. I GET A LOT OF PHONE CALLS ASKING, YOU KNOW, WHY IS THIS GRAVEL? WHY IS THAT CRUSHED ROCK? WHY IS THIS ASPHALT AND WHY CAN'T I HAVE IT DONE? AND I TOLD THEM AT ONE TIME COUNCIL TOLD US DO NOTHING AND JUST PATCH ROADS OR ADD ADDITIONAL GRAVEL OR ADDITIONAL SHELL. THAT'S ALL I COULD DO. SO AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN SINCE THAT DIRECTION. WE HAVE NOT ALLOWED ANY EXTENSION OF OUR ALLEYWAYS. I THINK THAT THEY'VE WE'VE TRIED TO KEEP THEM GREEN AND PERMEABLE. I THINK FOR THAT DIRECTION THAT WE RECEIVED PREVIOUSLY. SO WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO MAINTAIN THAT AND NOT EXTENDING. WE'VE ALLOWED THERE'S BEEN SOME INDIVIDUALS, I THINK THAT ALONG AN ALLEYWAY SECTION THAT HAVE DECIDED TO CHIP IN AND COMPLETE AND RE RESTORE AN ALLEYWAY THAT'S ALREADY BEEN PAVED, BUT WHERE WE'VE TAKEN ON SOME PROJECTS, BUT WE'VE DONE LIKE FOR LIKE, YEAH. AND I UNDERSTAND IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO 
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CHIP IN AND HAVE THEIR ALLEY PAVED. BUT THIS IS A POLICY OF WHETHER IT'S PERMEABLE OR NOT. 
          THAT'S REALLY WHERE WE NEED TO COME FROM. AND I THINK WE JUST WE'RE DOING THREE. AND ALLEY WAS COQUINAS AND THIRD IS NOW BEING REPAVED. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT WAS COQUINA OR NOT. 
          THE ALLEY OFF OF THIRD, IT'S ON THIS KIND OF MADE IT TO THE TOP, BUT WE NEED TO HAVE THAT COME BACK. AND SO WITH THAT, YEAH. THANK YOU. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER, WE NEED TO HUSTLE BECAUSE WE GOT A LOT. BUT I'LL JUST SAY THIS. I THINK YOU MADE A NOTE. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE IT BEFORE TDC. I THINK THAT IS A SLAM DUNK. BUT I WOULD LIKE THE TO MY HISTORY ABOUT TAKING. IS IT TELECOM. WHAT ARE WE. WHAT DO WE HAVE TO. SO YEAH THERE'S A COUPLE OF THINGS INVOLVED. 
          YOU'RE DOUBLING AND 29 OVER FIVE YEARS BECOMES 60 OVER ONE OR SOMETHING. I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THOSE NUMBERS BUT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT LATER. BUT THAT BEING SAID, A COUPLE OF THINGS. 
          YES, WE'VE ALREADY COMMITTED ALL OF OUR TELECOM TO THE STREET DEPARTMENT AND FOREGONE IT IN THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH BECOMES PART OF AN OVER BIGGER CONVERSATION. SO WE'VE PLEDGED MONEY TO INCREASE PAVING OVER THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS. NOW, LAST TWO YEARS HAS BEEN 1,000,005 FOR EACH ONE OF THESE YEARS. AND WE HAD NO ALLEYS. IF YOU I'LL REMIND YOU, IN THE CURRENT BUDGET, WE HAVE POTENTIALLY WE HAVE $1 MILLION BUDGETED, 350 MORE. THAT'S OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD FOR AN ALLEY IMPROVEMENT. AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE SIGNIFICANT DOLLARS FOR ANOTHER INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENT. WE MAY OR MAY NOT END UP HAVING TO SPEND. SO MY ONLY POINT THAT IS WE'RE ALREADY EARMARKING ALL OF THOSE DOLLARS. AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION AND TO PUT A FINER POINT ON IT, WE DID IN THE BUDGET HOLDING TO SAY WE NEED TO HAVE AN ALLEY DISCUSSION PROSPECTIVELY. AND THIS ALSO IDENTIFIES CERTAIN AREAS THAT NEED WORK. SO I THINK THERE'S STILL SEVERAL THINGS THAT HAPPEN. ONE IS DO YOU WANT TO HAVE A MINIMAL EFFORT OF A MILLION AND AND LEAVE IT AT THAT UNTIL YOU PICK OFF WHAT ALLEYS YOU'RE GOING TO DO AND HOW YOU'RE GOING TO DO THEM? OR DO YOU WANT IT TO BE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN A MILLION, FIVE AND 1,000,002 AND SUPPLEMENT THE ALLEYS? SO THAT'S THE CONVERSATION. SO I'M TRYING TO ANSWER EVERYBODY AND BRING IT BACK TO A CONCLUSION. DO WE LIKE THE MILLION NUMBER? DO WE THINK WE NEED TO BE CLOSER TO 1,000,005. BUT UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE ALREADY DIRECTING ALL OF THE COMMUNICATION TAX TO KEEP UP WITH THE INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS, WE WANT TO DO PAY THE SALARIES, DO NORMAL MAINTENANCE AND REPAVING. SO I THINK YOUR SWEET SPOT, WHATEVER IT ENDS UP BEING, IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 1,000,002 AND 1,000,006 IN AGGREGATE FOR ALLEYS AND REPAVING. UNLESS YOU'RE GOING TO DIRECT OTHER RESOURCES FROM PUBLIC SERVICE TAX. AND SO I HOPE. I KNOW YOU DID. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GETTING AT. THE FACT THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH ALL THOSE MACHINATIONS THROUGH THE YEARS TO GET TO WHERE WE ARE, SOME OF THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THE THE ASK, AND I'M HAPPY TO ASK. AND YOU OR YOU COULD, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GO AND I CAN BE YOUR BEST CHEERLEADER AND BUT IT'S VERY DOABLE RIGHT NOW. 
          AND SO I THINK STRIKE WHILE THE IRON'S HOT. I'M SORRY. STRIKE WHILE THE IRON'S HOT. AND BECAUSE IT SEEMS TO ME THE MAYOR'S STREET COULD ACTUALLY GET DONE IF WE HAD ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS. THAT'S ALL I'M SAYING. AND THE ONLY THING THAT I WOULD SAY ON FIFTH IS A REMINDER THAT WE'RE GETTING READY TO DO DESIGN SERVICES FOR COMPLETE FIFTH. SO WE JUST NEED TO BE COGNIZANT, AS WAS ALREADY STATED BY SOMEBODY ELSE, ON EVERY COMPLETE STORMWATER SYSTEM AND THEN THE REPAVING SO THAT WE'RE WHETHER IT'S OUR MONEY OR SOMEBODY ELSE'S, WE WANT TO USE IT WISELY BECAUSE WE AREN'T GOING TO GET IT TWICE. SO THAT'S THE IMPORTANT PART OF IT. WELL, THANK YOU, KRAMER, I FOR TAKING THAT BUCKET AND RUNNING WITH IT, BECAUSE I DO THINK THERE ARE STREETS THAT WE CAN, AS MR. MIDDLETON SAID, ASK FOR FOR TDC BEING THAT THEY ARE BEING IMPACTED. BUT COUNCIL MEMBER PITTMAN, RELATIVE TO YOUR COMMENTS, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT PAY TO PLAY, WE HAVE DANCED AROUND THE ISSUE OF PAYING FOR PARKING, AND THERE COULD BE SOME CONSIDERABLE REVENUE FROM THAT. LET THE LET THE TOURISTS PAY FOR THE ROADS THROUGH PARKING. SO WE'LL GET TO THAT, I'M SURE. YES, MA'AM. AND I DO WANT TO SAY THANK YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE INCREASED THE PAVEMENT SO WE WON'T GO BACK. WE'LL LOOK FORWARD. AND I THINK INCREASING IT. BUT WE DO NEED TO COME BACK WITH POLICIES. AND WE HAVE A MAJOR ISSUE WITH SECOND AND I DON'T I REALLY WANT TO PUT THIS ON THE RECORD BETWEEN CENTRAL ON SECOND 
          [04:40:02]
AVENUE SOUTH. BETWEEN CENTRAL AND THE NEW HOTEL. THE ROAD IS OBVIOUSLY GETTING WORSE. IT IS DIPPING. IT'S I MEAN, NOW I SEE CARS COMING. THEY USED TO DO THIS, NOW THEY DO THIS. WE ARE ADDRESSING SECOND FIFTH AVENUE BECAUSE NORTH OF THAT IS NOT THAT BAD. OH IT IS. I TOOK THE CITY MANAGER AND I'D LOVE TO RIDE IT WITH YOU. WELL, THE NORTH, THE SOUTH, AND WE ARE. 
          PLANNING ON DOING IT THIS YEAR. HOWEVER, WE'RE STILL WAITING ON STORMWATER. THEY HAVE LINED ALL THE PIPES. NOW THEY JUST NEED TO DO SOME CATCH BASIN REPAIRS AND THEY'RE WAITING ON MATERIAL BECAUSE THEY DO IT IN HOUSE. ONCE THEY GET THE MATERIAL AND THEY DO IT IN HOUSE, THEN I CAN GET THAT SCHEDULED. SO YOU KNOW WHERE IT DIPS DOWN, WHERE WE'RE PLACING LIKE 500FT OF VALLEY GUTTER THERE TO BRING THAT BACK UP PRIOR TO PAVING ALL THAT. SO BUT YES. THANK YOU. THAT'S GOOD NEWS. BUT IF WE NEED TO PUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN, WE NEED TO DO IT NOW BECAUSE IT'S A MAJOR ROAD FOR US. WHEN WE GET A LIST LIKE THIS, I GENERALLY SHARE IT WITH WASTEWATER COLLECTIONS, WATER DEPARTMENT, STORMWATER, HAVE THEM GO OUT THERE AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY REPAIRS THEY NEED TO ADDRESS PRIOR TO US DOING WHAT WE HAVE TO DO. OKAY. AND ONE LAST THING FOR ME, AND THAT IS THE TRUCK ROUTES, THE MASTER BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN PLAN IS COMING. AND I SEE IT'S IN ONE OF THE SLIDES. IT SAYS TRUCK ROUTES BUT IT SAYS PREFERRED AND PROHIBITED. I THOUGHT WE HAD DESIGNATED TRUCK ROUTES, AND I THINK WE ALL NEED TO DISCUSS THAT WHEN THAT PLAN COMES BACK. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER ACTION? WELL, I. FROM THE STANDPOINT, I THINK IT'S GOOD TO BE FLUID. I GUESS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT YOU WERE, WHAT YOU RECEIVED. AND I JUST HAVE TWO ONE OTHER QUESTION BEFORE I GET TO WRAPPING UP, AS FAR AS THE PCI AND THE RE ANALYSIS, WAS YOU SAYING THAT WAS EVERY, EVERY YEAR OR WOULD YOU WHAT WHAT IS THE INDUSTRY STANDARD TO REEVALUATE? BECAUSE WHEN WE TALK ABOUT A BUDGET. 
          BUDGETS ARE FLUID AND FLUID OVER TIME. SO I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHEN WE SHOULD EXPECT TO RE EVALUATE THOSE ROADS. EXCUSE ME. AS FAR AS THE REEVALUATION, MAYBE EVERY FIVE YEARS, IF YOU WANTED TO HAVE A MORE COMPREHENSIVE EVALUATION. I THINK WHAT BOB WAS ALLUDING TO ON THE THE ANNUAL WERE FOR SOME OF THE ITEMS BROUGHT UP. IF THERE'S A UTILITY PROJECT OR STORMWATER PROJECT, WE DID MAKE ADJUSTMENTS ON SECOND STREET FOR THE 2025 PROGRAM. SO AS YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE NEXT FIVE YEARS PAST THAT, THERE MAY BE A SIDEWALK, A STREETSCAPE, THERE MAY BE SOME OTHER REASON TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS. I DO THINK IT'S BENEFICIAL. AND THAT'S WHY I SAY FIVE YEARS TO COMPARE SOME OF THOSE SEGMENTS, ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT WERE NEXT IN THE LIST, TO SEE IF WE'VE HAD ANY MORE EXCESSIVE DETERIORATION OF THE ROADS SINCE THEN. AND WE'LL HAVE A BASELINE TO COMPARE IT TO WITH THE THE VIDEOS THAT WE CREATED FIVE YEARS PRIOR. AND THEN WE CAN COMPARE IT TO SEE IF THERE'S BEEN ANY CHANGES OR ANY ADJUSTMENTS NEED TO BE MADE. OKAY. SO SO FOR ME, I'D LIKE TO JUST HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF DIRECTION. THANK YOU FOR THAT, SIR. A LITTLE BIT OF DIRECTION SO THAT I KNOW WHAT I'M SETTING THE TABLE FOR FOR THE NEXT YEARS. RIGHT. WE TALKED ABOUT AN ALLEY IMPROVEMENT. WE TALKED ABOUT REDUCING THE PAVING WHICH IS PRESENTLY BUDGETED. BUT DO WE WANT TO REMEMBER THIS? THIS GOES TO THE LENGTHS OF SAYING, SHOULD WE DEDICATE $1 MILLION FOR, FOR THE 25 YEARS, $2 MILLION, WHAT'S THE RECOMMENDED. AND I WANTED TO AT LEAST GET TO THAT PART OF THE DISCUSSION IS, IS, YOU KNOW, DO WE THE LAST TWO YEARS, IT'S MUCH BETTER THAN THE 750 WE'VE BEEN SPENDING. WE KNOW WE CAN REPLACE WHAT WAS THE FOR 1,000,005? IT WAS WAS IT EVERY 25 YEARS. WHAT WAS THE JUST REMIND ME IF YOU COULD BASED OFF OF THE $2,025 AND I BELIEVE I HAVE THAT. YEAH. I JUST WANTED TO IT WAS IT WAS APPROXIMATELY TWO, 2 MILLION A YEAR ON A 25 YEAR PROGRAM. AND WE KNOW WE HAVE ROADS THAT HAVEN'T BEEN PAVED FOR 30. SO TO ME, THAT'S WHY I SAY, I THINK SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THAT MILLION, 2 TO 1,000,006 IS IS A GOOD AREA TO BE IN. AND I THINK BUDGETARILY YOU CAN HANDLE THAT. AND SO I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO HAVE AT LEAST ACKNOWLEDGED THAT IN THIS MEETING, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY THE PURPOSE OF THIS, BUT ALSO TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT I THINK WE THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE TO HAVE A TRUE ALLEY 
          [04:45:04]
DISCUSSION BEFORE WE FINALIZE WHAT WE THINK THAT FINAL NUMBER SHOULD BE. NOW, AGAIN, IT WILL ALWAYS BE SUBJECT TO BUDGETARY CONSIDERATIONS, WHICH AGAIN, YOU WERE THIS YEAR'S BID PROVED YOU CAN MOVE SOME THINGS UP AND AND THAT KIND OF THING. I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU FELT COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, THAT WE DIDN'T LEAVE HERE AND NOT AT LEAST GET THAT CONSENSUS IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN THE THE MILLION TO 1,000,005 OR 1,000,006 WE'VE BEEN AVERAGING. 
          IT SHOULD BE OUR TARGETS IN COMBINED REPAVING AND BOTH ROADS AND ALLEYS, WHATEVER THAT ENDS UP BEING. I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO SEE IF I HAD. YOU DON'T REALLY WANT TO KNOW MY OPINION, BECAUSE MY OPINION IT SHOULD BE 2 MILLION UNTIL WE CAN HAVE MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF OUR STREETS HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED BECAUSE IT'S BEEN SO NEGLECTED. BUT THAT'S JUST MY OPINION. 
          THANK YOU. I'M GLAD YOU LIKE MY OPINION. SEE, STAFF AGREES. AND THAT'S I JUST WANT TO SAY IF WE COULD ASK TDC, TDC FOR A MATCHING GRANT FOR WHATEVER WE'RE PUTTING IN, I THINK THAT'S REASONABLE. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY WOULD PUSH BACK HARD ON THAT. BUT YOU CAN'T BUDGET THAT, OBVIOUSLY. BUT WE'VE GOT TO HAVE YEAH, I, I THINK IT'LL BE I THINK IT'LL BE AN INTERESTING LIFT TO GET AND I WOULD SAY COMMITTING TO SOMEWHERE IN THE VICINITY OF 1,000,005 AND COMBINED AND MAKE THE APPLICATIONS AND SEE WHERE IT LANDS AND THEN COME BACK AND TALK TO YOU ABOUT WHAT THAT ENABLES US TO DO. I THINK YOU WOULD BE YOU CAN PICK A YEAR AND DO AN EXTRA IF YOU HAVE AN EVALUATION OF ROADS, BUT I JUST THINK THAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE HARD PRESSED TO KEEP THE SCHEDULE OF INTERSECTIONS AND OTHER THINGS AT THIS STAGE WITHOUT REDIRECTING PUBLIC ADDITIONAL PUBLIC SERVICE TAX DOLLARS, WHICH TAKES IT DIRECTLY OUT OF WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE FOR FACILITIES AND OTHER THINGS. AND SO SO I'M FINE, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT ME TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH, WHAT IT WOULD END UP BEING IS, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE AN HONEST TRANSFER BECAUSE YOU'VE ALREADY MOVED EVERYTHING IN COMMUNICATION TAX TO YOUR PUBLIC SERVICE TAX IN YOUR STREET DEPARTMENT, YOU WOULD BASICALLY BE RELINQUISHING THE GENERAL TAX DOLLARS, WHICH IS FINE, BUT THAT SETS IN MOTION SOMETHING YOU HADN'T DONE BEFORE. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE A LARGER FINANCIAL DISCUSSION TO DO THAT. 
          AND I'D APPRECIATE THAT. I DON'T WANT TO TAKE FROM OTHER PROJECTS WITHOUT US KNOWING THAT WOULD THAT'S THE ONLY REASON YOU CAN DO A ONE YEAR, AND IT'S FINE, BUT IT'S SET SETTING SOMETHING PERPETUAL AND SAY, I WANT TO GET A JUMP ON THESE. YOU CAN DO. AND WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST. I'M JUST SAYING TO SET IT AS A PLAN FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. I THINK YOU'RE IN DIFFICULT TERRITORY TO DO THAT WITHOUT HAVING IT. PART OF THE CIP DISCUSSION. 
          PERFECT. YES. COUNCILMAN CHRISTMAN YEAH, I WOULD JUST IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR DIRECTION, YOU KNOW, MY DIRECTION WOULD BE THAT. I MEAN, WE'RE ABOUT TO PASS IN A COUPLE OF HOURS A BUDGET FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR. AND, YOU KNOW, SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT, I ASSUME IS A DISCUSSION FOR THE YEAR BEYOND THAT AND, AND YEARS BEYOND THAT, STARTING IN 26, 27. AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A WIDESPREAD VIEW IN TOWN, IN MY OPINION, THAT OUR ROADS NEED UPGRADING, WHETHER IT'S A PERCEPTION OR A REALITY RELATIVE TO WHAT, YOU KNOW, THE EVALUATIONS ARE, IT'S THERE. AND SO I THINK I THINK THE NEXT STEP, WHENEVER APPROPRIATE, WOULD BE TO HAVE WHAT I THINK IS REALLY A FINANCIAL DISCUSSION THAT THAT SAYS, OKAY, IF WE WANT TO GET TO 2 MILLION A YEAR, WE DO WHAT ADJUSTMENTS DO WE HAVE TO MAKE? I MEAN, ROADS ARE QUALITY OF LIFE. IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE TALK ABOUT QUALITY OF LIFE BEING FUNDED OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. ROADS ARE PART OF THAT, IN MY OPINION, ANYWAY. AND SO GIVEN WHAT WE THINK WE'RE GOING TO SEE IN TERMS OF CONTINUED GROWTH IN OUR PROPERTY TAX REVENUE, BECAUSE THE ECONOMY REMAINED TAXABLE, VALUES CONTINUE TO GROW AND AND OTHER THINGS, CAN WE GET TO A MILLION AND A HALF, 2 MILLION AND AND WHAT WHAT OTHER ADJUSTMENTS DO WE HAVE TO MAKE. 
          AND THEN WE CAN MAKE A DECISION ON WHETHER WE THINK WE WANT TO DO THAT. GREAT. I THINK WE KNOW I KNOW WE HAVE A CONSENSUS. I AT LEAST HAVE FOUR PEOPLE UP HERE THAT ARE SAYING, LET'S LOOK AT THAT. SO YES, MR. MADAM MAYOR, CAN I CAN I MAKE A SUGGESTION? BECAUSE I THINK I CAN TELL YOU WITH CERTAINTY THAT I CAN GET YOU ANOTHER HALF MILLION DOLLARS INTO NEXT YEAR. 
          AND I COME BACK WITH A BUDGET AMENDMENT AFTER THE YEAR OPENS, WHICH GETS YOU TO REPRIORITIZE SUMS IN 25, 26, 27. THAT BUYS US TIME TO HAVE THE LENGTHIER DISCUSSION, BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO GET DONE IN A VERY SHORT WINDOW HERE THAT IF EVERYONE BY CONSENSUS BELIEVES, LOOK, THERE'S MORE ON THIS LIST I WANT TO GET TO SOONER AND MORE 
          [04:50:01]
ROADS I WANT TO GET TO SOONER. THEN THEN LET'S DO THAT AND THEN HAVE THE BROADER DISCUSSION ABOUT ONCE WE HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON ALLEYS. NOW TELL ME THE FINANCIAL AND WE CAN DO IT IN THE SAME MEETING. I'M ONLY SAYING, I THINK IF THERE'S CONSENSUS, WE NEED TO DO MORE NOW, THEN LET'S NOT GO BACK FROM 1.5 TO 1 MILLION PLUS ALLEYS. LET'S KEEP IT AT 1.5 PLUS ALLEYS AND THEN MAKE A DECISION AFTER THIS FIRST YEAR, BECAUSE IT'S A ONE OFF, IT'S DEDICATED TO THOSE, AND IT GIVES US TIME TO HAVE THE BROADER CONVERSATION. SO THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION IF, IF IF THERE'S CONSENSUS TO DO THAT, THEN I WOULD JUST BRING IT BACK AS A SUPPLEMENT. WHEN I COME AND HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON THE ALLEYS AT THAT TIME IN THIS NEXT YEAR. SO THANK YOU, PENMAN. I THINK THAT'S FINE. BUT I ALSO THINK WITHIN, YOU KNOW, IF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS PERHAPS A FIVE YEAR PERIOD,
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