[1) CALL TO ORDER AND ROLL CALL]
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          HERE. HERE. HERE. THANK YOU. AND TODAY, WE ARE HONORED TO HAVE PASTOR CHRIS SUBER FROM THE FIRST CONGRESSIONAL CHURCH FOR THE INVOCATION, FOLLOWED BY THE PLEDGE LED BY THE VICE MAYOR. PLEASE STAND. LET US PRAY. PASTOR, IF YOU'LL JUST GO TO THE MIC, THERE YOU. ALL RIGHT? EXCELLENT. LET US PRAY. ALMIGHTY AND EVERLASTING GOD. CREATOR, SUSTAINER, REDEEMER, GRANT THAT ALL OF THOSE PRESENT AND THOSE PRESIDING OVER THIS MEETING MIGHT HAVE THE GIFT OF VIRTUE NECESSARY TO SEE THAT DIFFERENCES OF OPINION DO NOT EQUATE NECESSARILY TO DIFFERENCES OF PRINCIPLE. AND WON'T YOU BIND ALL OF THOSE PRESENT AROUND THOSE PRINCIPLES WE HOLD MOST DEARLY AND MOST COMMONLY? MUTUAL RESPECT OF OUR NEIGHBOR, ENCOURAGEMENT OF THE PROSPEROUS FUTURES OF OUR FRIENDS, AND OF ALL OF THOSE WITHIN WHICH WE INHABIT THIS GREAT COMMUNITY, MIGHTY AND EVERLASTING GOD, WON'T YOU POUR OUT YOUR FAVOR OF GRACE AND PEACE UPON THIS MEETING? GRANT WISDOM AND INSIGHT SO THAT THOSE WHO SERVE MIGHT DO SO TO YOUR GLORY, AND THAT ALL OF US WHO LIVE HERE MIGHT AIM TOWARDS THE HIGHEST VIRTUES OF COMMUNITY, OF RESPECT AND OF GROWTH. GOD, TODAY WE PRAY THESE THINGS IN THE NAME OF JESUS. AMEN. THANK YOU. THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          [3) SET AGENDA (add or remove items)]
YOU DID RELEASE A SUPPLEMENT YESTERDAY AFTERNOON, AND THERE ARE FOUR ITEMS, AND I'M JUST GOING TO READ THEM REAL QUICKLY TO ADD THEM TO THE AGENDA OR LET YOU KNOW WHAT THEY WERE. SO EXCUSE ME, THE SUPPLEMENT INCLUDED AN UPDATE TO AGENDA ITEM 11 A TO INCLUDE AN INTERVIEW, AN EXTRA INTERVIEW BEFORE APPOINTMENTS. WE. IN ADDITION, WE ADDED AGENDA ITEM 14 C, WHICH IS A DISCUSSION RELATED TO REVISING THE CITY OF NAPLES COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT PROJECT SCHEDULE AND THERE WAS ATTACHMENTS INCLUDED. IN ADDITION, WE ADDED THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF AN EXECUTIVE. EXCUSE ME, AND WE ADDED AGENDA ITEM 14 D, WHICH IS AN EXECUTIVE SESSION IN REGARDS TO THE CITY OF NAPLES VERSUS CITY OF NAPLES AIRPORT AUTHORITY. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE TIME CERTAIN AT 12:30 P.M. AND THEN WE UPDATED AGENDA ITEM 15 A, WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF NAPLES, AMENDING THE NAPLES CODE OF ORDINANCES TO CREATE A NEW SECTION IN CHAPTER IN SECTION 117 OF CHAPTER ONE, GENERAL PROVISIONS RELATED TO PUBLIC NOTICES. AND THAT'LL BE ALL. THANK YOU. AND COUNCIL, DO YOU RECEIVE THOSE SUPPLEMENTS AT THE DAIS THIS MORNING? MISS MAJESTIC PRINTED THOSE OUT FOR YOU. EVERYONE RECEIVED THEM. 
          OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? MOTION. YES. MOTION TO APPROVE. THE WHAT AM I? JUST SETTING THE AGENDA. SETTING THE AGENDA SECOND. OKAY, I JUST WANT FOR CLARIFICATION. I'D LIKE TO PULL 70. OKAY, SO SETTING THE AGENDA WITH 14C14D PULLING SEVEN D AND 15 A UPDATED. OKAY. YES, YES. 
          OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ. 
          IT. MR. MCCONNELL DID I. NO THANK YOU MAYOR. I THINK THAT'S FINE. NORMALLY WHEN YOU PULL THINGS OFF THE AGENDA THOUGH, YOU WAIT TILL YOU'RE ABOUT TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. YES. 
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SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST SETTING THE AGENDA WITH THE SUPPLEMENTS. SO IT MAY BE MORE APPROPRIATE ONCE WE GET TO THE MOTION TO APPROVE AGENDA, TO PULL THINGS PRIOR TO APPROVING IT BEFORE THE CONSENT AGENDA. CORRECT. GOT IT. YES. AND WITH THAT, ALL IN FAVOR SIGNED BY I, I OPPOSED 
          [4.A) America 250 Essay Contest Winners Presentation.]
THANK YOU COUNCIL. THAT TAKES US TO ANNOUNCEMENTS AND PRESENTATIONS. AND WE ARE GOING TO KICK OFF OUR CELEBRATION FOR AMERICA'S BIRTHDAY OF CELEBRATING AMERICA. 250 AND WE HAVE A A CHAMBER FULL OF STUDENTS AND PARENTS WHO HAVE PARTICIPATED IN THE KICKING OFF OF THE CELEBRATION WITH AN ESSAY CONTEST. BUT WHILE I'M MAKING MY WAY TO THE PODIUM AND I HAVE STAFF THAT WILL BE MEETING ME THERE, I'M GOING TO LET THE VICE MAYOR KICK IT OFF WITH A FUN FACT OR QUIZ OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS OR MANAGER AND ATTORNEY ON SOME FUN FACTS, OR THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO TALK. ALL RIGHT. YES, WE HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS FROM A GUIDE TO HELP PEOPLE PREPARE FOR CITIZENSHIP. WHEN THEY FIRST MOVED TO THE US AND ARE LEARNING ABOUT AMERICA, OUR HISTORY, OUR GOVERNANCE AND HOW WE OPERATE. THEY HAVE LESSONS. AND THEN THESE ARE REVIEW QUESTIONS. SO IT'LL BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW WE DO. IF NECESSARY, WE'LL THROW IT TO THE AUDIENCE FOR HELP. ALRIGHT, WHAT IS THE SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND? RIGHT. MISS PENNIMAN, THE CONSTITUTION OF THE US IS THE SUPREME LAW. THE IDEA OF SELF-GOVERNMENT IS IN THE FIRST THREE WORDS OF THE CONSTITUTION. WHAT ARE THOSE THREE WORDS? THAT'S RIGHT. WE THE PEOPLE. 
          IT'S THE WHOLE IDEA IN AMERICA THAT IT'S THE PEOPLE CONSENT TO GOVERN OURSELVES. THAT'S OUR FORM OF GOVERNMENT, DIFFERENT FROM THE OLD MONARCHIES IN EUROPE OR DICTATORSHIPS. WHAT DO WE CALL THE FIRST TEN AMENDMENTS TO THE CONSTITUTION? BILL OF RIGHTS? THAT'S RIGHT. 
          AND THESE AREN'T THAT HARD. YOU SAID IT. ALL RIGHT. THE FIRST AMENDMENT HAS CERTAIN RIGHTS OR FREEDOMS ENSHRINED IN IT. THERE ARE FIVE NAMED RIGHTS IN THE FIRST AMENDMENT. CAN WE NAME THOSE FIVE OR AT LEAST THREE OF THEM? COACH. FREEDOM TO ASSEMBLE, FREEDOM OF THE PRESS. 
          BUT YOU ASKED FOR THREE. YEAH. OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE THE OTHERS? OKAY. FREEDOM OF SPEECH, FREEDOM OF RELIGION, FREEDOM OF ASSEMBLY. SO WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO MEET AND GATHER AND PROTEST. 
          FREEDOM OF THE PRESS AND FREEDOM TO PETITION THE GOVERNMENT. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT PART, RIGHT? THAT CITIZENS HAVE THE RIGHT TO AIR THEIR GRIEVANCES WITH GOVERNMENT IF THEY THINK WE ARE NOT DOING SOMETHING RIGHT, OR THEY WANT US TO DO SOMETHING, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO SHOW UP AND TELL US ABOUT IT. SO ALL RIGHT, TRICKY ONE LAST ONE. HOW MANY AMENDMENTS DOES THE CONSTITUTION HAVE? ANYBODY WANT TO GUESS? NO. COUNCILMAN SCHULTZ AT 25. I. I SEE COUNCILMAN SCHULTZ ON HIS LAPTOP. IS HE CHEATING? IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR RIGHT NOW? ALL RIGHT. IT'S VERY CLOSE. 27. WE HAVE 27 APPROVED AMENDMENTS TO THE CONSTITUTION. ALL RIGHT. THANKS, MAYOR. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TAKING ON THAT. AND THAT'LL BE OUR INTRO FOR UNTIL WE GET TO JULY, JULY 4TH. SO GOOD MORNING, EVERYBODY. AS PART OF AMERICA'S 250 CELEBRATION, WE LAUNCHED A STUDENT ESSAY CONTEST INVITING YOUNG PEOPLE OF THE COMMUNITY TO REFLECT ON WHAT AMERICA MEANS TO THEM IN HISTORY, VALUES, AND ITS FUTURE. AND WE WERE INCREDIBLY ENCOURAGED BY THE THOUGHTFUL PARTICIPATION OF THE FIVE CITIES SCHOOLS, INCLUDING A HOMESCHOOLER. THESE STUDENTS REMIND US THAT THE PARTICIPATION AND CIVIC PRIDE AND HOPE OF THE FUTURE ARE STILL ALIVE AND WELL. I WANT TO SINCERELY THANK THE STUDENTS AND THE PARENTS, THE PRINCIPALS AND THE VOLUNTEERS AND THE JUDGES WHO HELPED MAKE THIS INITIATIVE A SUCCESS, WHICH I THINK IS A GREAT SUCCESS. ALSO, 
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I'D LIKE TO EXTEND A SPECIAL THANKS TO AN ANONYMOUS DONOR WHOSE GENEROSITY MADE TODAY'S STUDENT AWARDS POSSIBLE FOR OUR COMMUNITY SPONSORS. AND I'LL LET SANDRA FAZZINO OUTLINE THOSE IF I'VE MISSED ANYBODY. GELATO SLICE AND NAPLES ZOO. AND WE THANK THE STAFF FOR GOING OUT AND GETTING THOSE. WE HOPE THAT THIS MORNING YOU'LL APPRECIATE THAT WE ARE HONORING THE STUDENTS AND OUR FUTURE LEADERS. I'M VERY HAPPY TO SAY SANDRA FAZZINO AND CHRISTINA MAJESTIC TOOK THIS ON ALONG WITH COMMUNITY SERVICES, AS ONE OF THE PARTS OF OUR CELEBRATION FOR 250. SO IF I CAN ASK SANDRA TO COME FORWARD AND DO THE JUDGES. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS SANDRA FAZZINO. I AM THE ASSISTANT TO MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL, AND I'M GOING TO INVITE THE JUDGES TO COME UP. OUR FIRST JUDGE IS LILA ZUK. FOR 35 YEARS, LILA ZUK HAS RESEARCHED AND WRITTEN SEVERAL BOOKS ABOUT THE HISTORY OF NAPLES AND COLLIER COUNTY. LILA IS THE MOTHER OF JENNIFER SMITH AND DENNIS ZUK, BOTH SECOND GENERATION FLORIDIANS AND GRADUATES OF NAPLES HIGH, WHERE HER GRANDDAUGHTER, EMMA SMITH, THIRD GENERATION FLORIDIAN, WILL BE A SOPHOMORE THIS FALL. THANK YOU. WE ALSO HAVE LINDA EPSTEIN, LINDA EPSTEIN VACATION TO NAPLES FOR 20 PLUS YEARS BEFORE SHE FINALLY MADE NAPLES HER HOME IN 2020. SHE LIVES DOWNTOWN, GIVING HER A FRONT ROW SEAT TO PARADISE. PREVIOUSLY A MEMBER OF THE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION OF UNIVERSITY WOMEN PENNSYLVANIA, HER HOME STATE, SHE JOINED THE LOCAL NAPLES BRANCH THREE YEARS AGO AND HAS BEEN AN ACTIVE MEMBER SINCE. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU. AND THEN WE HAVE JOE LOGRIPPO. JOE LOGRIPPO IS THE FOUNDER OF NAPLES NICE, A COMMUNITY INITIATIVE FOCUSED ON PROMOTING KINDNESS, CIVILITY AND POSITIVE COMMUNITY CULTURE IN NAPLES, A HIGHLY DECORATED U.S. MARINE VETERAN WHO SERVED OUR COUNTRY DURING OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE, JOE. HE HAS BROUGHT THAT SAME SPIRIT OF SERVICE, LEADERSHIP AND COMMITMENT TO HIS COMMUNITY, CHAMPIONING EFFORTS THAT ENCOURAGE RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES AND YOUNG PEOPLE TO HELP MAKE KINDNESS A DEFINING STRENGTH OF NAPLES IDENTITY. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. GOOD MORNING, CITY COUNCIL, MADAM MAYOR CHRISTINA MAJEWSKI, CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. BEFORE WE ANNOUNCE OUR FIRST PLACE WINNERS, WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO RECOGNIZE THREE HONORABLE MENTIONS. WHEN THE CONTEST WAS FIRST LAUNCHED, THE PLAN WAS TO RECOGNIZE JUST THREE FIRST PLACE MIDDLE HIGH SCHOOL AND ELEMENTARY STUDENTS. 
          THE JUDGES, HOWEVER, WERE VERY IMPRESSED BY OUR ENTRIES. THE QUALITY OF THE SUBMISSIONS THAT THE SIX ESSAYS EARNS WAS EXCEPTIONAL AND ABOVE 92 IN SCORE. THANKS TO THE GENEROSITY OF OUR ANONYMOUS DONOR AS WELL AS OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES, WE WERE ABLE TO EXPAND THE AWARDS TO RECOGNIZE THESE THREE INDIVIDUALS. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO INVITE OUR THREE HONORABLE MENTION RECIPIENTS TO THE PODIUM AS THEY COME FORWARD. PLEASE HOLD YOUR APPLAUSE UNTIL ALL THREE STUDENTS HAVE BEEN RECOGNIZED. AT THIS TIME, WE WOULD LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE OUR HONORABLE MENTION ESSAY RECIPIENTS. CLAIRE AL-KURDI, MAY YOU PLEASE STEP FORWARD TO THE PODIUM. SHE IS FROM SAINT ANNE'S. HER TEACHER WAS DOCTOR AND PRINCIPAL O'CONNOR. MIDDLE. 
          ADRIANNA DIETRICH FROM SAINT ANNE'S. PLEASE STEP FORWARD TO THE PODIUM. ADRIANA'S TEACHER WAS MISS TOWNSEND AND PRINCIPAL O'CONNOR AND MISS CAITLIN MEYER. MAY YOU PLEASE STEP FORWARD TO THE PODIUM. SHE IS FROM LAKE PARK ELEMENTARY. AND HER TEACHER WAS MRS. WILLIAMS AND THE PRINCIPAL WAS PRINCIPAL MAYA. NOW WE PLEASE MAY OFFER A APPLAUSE FOR. 
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IT HAS BEEN INCREDIBLY MEANINGFUL TO SUPPORT MAYOR HARTMAN'S AMERICA 250 ESSAY CONTEST INITIATIVE AND TO WITNESS THE THOUGHTFUL PERSPECTIVES OF THESE REMARKABLE STUDENTS, I GOT EMOTIONAL READING MANY OF THE ESSAYS, AND I'M EMOTIONAL NOW, ACTUALLY. SO EXCUSE ME. IT IS ESPECIALLY WORTH NOTING THAT THESE STUDENTS SUBMITTED THEIR ESSAYS WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE WERE NO MONETARY OR MATERIAL PRIZES AT STAKE. THEIR ONLY EXPECTATION WAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE RECOGNIZED AT A CITY COUNCIL MEETING. THAT SPEAKS VOLUMES ABOUT THEIR MOTIVATION, THEIR SINCERITY, AND THE GENUINE THOUGHTFULNESS THEY BROUGHT TO THEIR WRITING. A SPECIAL THANK YOU TO CHAD AND AARON FROM OUR COMMUNITY SERVICES TEAM AND OUR DONORS FOR GOING ABOVE AND BEYOND TO TO SECURE THE THOUGHTFUL PRIZES, TROPHIES AND MEDALS THAT SO BEAUTIFULLY CELEBRATE THESE STUDENTS ACHIEVEMENTS. AND NOW IT'S MY HONOR TO INVITE OUR FIRST PLACE WINNERS TO SHARE THEIR ESSAYS WITH US. WE ARE GOING TO START WITH THE ELEMENTARY DIVISION. MAY I PLEASE HAVE ANSLEY BROWN UP FROM SEAGATE? MY AMERICAN HERO ESSAY IN KINDERGARTEN, MY TEACHER ASKED ME, WHO IS YOUR AMERICAN HERO? AT THAT TIME, I HAD NO ANSWER. BUT NOW I CAN FINALLY ANSWER THAT DIFFICULT QUESTION. MY AMERICAN HERO IS MY DAD. THIS IS BECAUSE HE FELT, AS A COMBAT VETERAN IN AFGHANISTAN, IN THE MARINE CORPS, NOT MANY KIDS IN MY COMMUNITY ARE ABLE TO SAY THAT ONE OF THEIR PARENTS FOUGHT IN WAR, BUT I AM. ANYTIME I SAY IT, I SAY IT VERY PROUDLY BECAUSE MY DAD WAS VERY BRAVE TO GO TO WAR AND FIGHT FOR MY COUNTRY'S FREEDOM. AT ONE POINT, HE WAS JUST LIKE ME GROWING UP IN NAPLES AND EVENTUALLY GRADUATING FROM BARRON COLLIER HIGH SCHOOL. ONE OF THE SAD PARTS TO ME IS THE AFTERMATH OF HIM BEING IN COMBAT. MADDAD SUFFERS FROM PTSD. PTSD STANDS FOR POST-TRAUMATIC STRESS DISORDER, WHICH IS AN EXTREMELY CHALLENGING THING TO DEAL WITH. THIS CAUSES UNNECESSARY STRESS IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS. IT IS SAD TO SEE THIS HAPPEN TO MY DAD. ALTHOUGH HAVING PTSD IS HARD, MY DAD IS VERY TOUGH AND ALWAYS MANAGES TO OVERCOME IT IN THE SITUATIONS THAT CAUSED HIM TO HAVE IT. NOT ONLY IS MY DAD MY AMERICAN HERO, BUT HE IS ALSO A TRUE LOCAL. MY DAD WAS BORN AND RAISED RIGHT HERE IN NAPLES, FLORIDA. THERE'S A SAYING THAT SAYS NOT ALL HEROES WEAR CAPES. THAT IS MOST DEFINITELY THE CASE FOR MY DAD. THE AMERICA THAT I'M GROWING UP IN LOOKS VERY DIFFERENT THAN THE AMERICA FROM 250 YEARS AGO. EVEN THOUGH I'VE ONLY BEEN HERE FOR TEN YEARS. I THINK WE LIVE IN THE MOST BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY HERE IN FLORIDA. WE'RE MORE EDUCATED, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, WE ARE SAFER BECAUSE OF AMERICANS LIKE MY DAD, WHO MADE A HUGE SACRIFICE TO PROTECT ALL OF US BACK HOME HERE IN NAPLES. LASTLY, SINCE OUR COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED, BRAVE MEN AND WOMEN HAVE FOUGHT FOR OUR FREEDOM. I'M PROUD TO BE ABLE TO SAY THAT MY DAD IS ONE OF THEM. I'M GROWING UP IN A TIME WHEN PEOPLE HAVE FORGOTTEN SACRIFICES MADE FOR OUR FREEDOM. 
          SO NEXT TIME THAT YOU'RE WALKING ON OUR BEACHES OR AT THE PIER ENJOYING A SUNSET, TAKE A MOMENT AND BE THANKFUL FOR ALL THE HEROES WHO PROTECTED THIS GREAT NATION FOR 250 YEARS. I LOOK UP TO MY DAD. NOT ONLY IS MY DAD, BUT AS AN AMERICAN HERO. 
          NOW WE'D LIKE TO CALL UP CALEB VERGARA. HE'S A HOME SCHOOL STUDENT. RIGHT? GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS CALEB VERGARA, AND I'M IN SIXTH GRADE AND I'M HOMESCHOOLED. AND TO ME, AMERICA IS MORE THAN JUST A COUNTRY. IT MEANS FREEDOM, LIBERTY AND HONOR. MY GRANDMOTHER CAME FROM THE COUNTRY OF CUBA BECAUSE SHE WANTED A BETTER FUTURE FOR HER DAUGHTER. THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE IN CUBA THERE IS NO FREEDOM, LIBERTY, OR ABUNDANCE OF NATURAL RESOURCES. SO THEY MIGRATED HERE FOR A BETTER FUTURE. AND MY DAD'S FAMILY ARE FROM SCOTLAND. THEY MIGRATED HERE AFTER THE WAR OF THE GIGABYTE REBELLION. THE REASON FOR THAT IS BECAUSE IT'S BECAUSE MY DAD'S FAMILY FOUGHT WITH THE ENGLISH DUE TO PERSECUTION. AFTER THE WAR, THEY MOVED HERE FOR SAFETY. 
          SINCE THE MIGRATION, MY FAMILY HAVE PARTICIPATED IN EVERY MAJOR AMERICAN CONFLICT WITH MY FAMILY, BEING VERY ACTIVE IN THE MILITARY WITH MY DAD, DOING 20 YEARS BECAUSE OF MY DAD'S MILITARY EXPERIENCE, I HAVE LEARNED THAT FREEDOM IS VERY IMPORTANT. MY DAD SACRIFICED 20 YEARS OF HIS LIFE AS A UNITED STATES MARINE. HE SERVED DURING TWO AMERICAN CONFLICTS. THOSE 
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CONFLICTS ARE NAMED OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM AND OPERATION ENDURING FREEDOM. DUE TO THE PURSUIT OF FREEDOM. MANY OF HIS FRIENDS DIDN'T MAKE IT HOME. THIS IS WHY FREEDOM MEANS EVERYTHING TO ME AND MY FAMILY. CURRENTLY, WE ARE FREE THANKS TO DEMOCRACY AND HEROES LIKE MY DAD AND HIS FRIENDS. WE ENJOY FREE. WE ENJOY THE FREEDOM OF RELIGION AND GET TO PICK OUR CAREER PATHS. THERE IS NO PLACE LIKE AMERICA IN THE WORLD. THERE IS EQUALITY AND SAME OPPORTUNITIES REGARDLESS OF RACE, GENDER AND RELIGION. BECAUSE FREEDOM MEANS SO MUCH TO ME AND MY FAMILY. AFTER I GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL, I PLANNED TO ENLIST AT THE UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS TO CONTINUE FIGHTING FOR THIS COUNTRY'S FREEDOM AND LIBERTY. UPON COMPLETION OF MY ENLISTMENT, I PLAN TO BECOME A LAWYER TO CONTINUE SUPPORTING OUR COUNTRY'S JUDICIAL SYSTEM AND HUMAN RIGHTS. THANK YOU. AND LASTLY, WE'D LIKE TO INVITE OCTAVIO HESTER FROM NAPLES HIGH. LET ME ERASE THIS A LITTLE BIT. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING, CITIZENS. HOPE WE'RE HAVING A GREAT DAY. THOSE ESSAYS I JUST HEARD WERE REALLY BEAUTIFUL. 
          HONESTLY, I ALMOST CRIED TO BOTH OF THEM TRYING TO KEEP FACE HERE THOUGH. MY ESSAY IS CALLED MY FAVORITE PLACE IN AMERICA. IMAGINE IT. YOU ARRIVE JUST HOME. YOU ARRIVE BACK HOME. 
          AFTER A LONG DAY OF WORKING. YOU STEP OUT OF YOUR CAR, FEELING RELIEF THAT YOU'RE FINALLY HOME. YOU PUT YOUR KEY IN YOUR LOCK AND YOU TWIST THE KEY. YOU FINALLY WALK INTO YOUR HOME AND YOU SMELL THAT SWEET FRAGRANCE OF BEING HOME AND THE SMELL OF HOME COOKING. THIS IS MY FAVORITE PLACE IN AMERICA. HOME. HOME IS SOMEWHERE YOU COULD ALWAYS GO BACK TO. HOME IS THE PLACE WHERE THINGS GET HARD IN LIFE. YOU COULD GO THERE JUST TO THINK ABOUT EVERY LITTLE THING IN LIFE. BUT WHAT IS HOME? HOME ISN'T JUST A LOCATION. HOME IS THE PEOPLE AROUND US AND THE COMMUNITY WE BUILD. ROBIN HOBB STATED, HOME IS A PEOPLE, NOT THE PLACE. IF YOU COULD GO BACK THERE AND THE PEOPLE ARE GONE AND ALL YOU COULD SEE IS WHAT'S NOT THERE ANYMORE. I BELIEVE THIS IS ONE OF THE TRUEST STATEMENTS IN LIFE YOU'LL EVER HEAR. THE PEOPLE AROUND YOU ARE WHAT MAKE LIFE SPECIAL. HUMANS ARE SOCIAL CREATURES AND WILL ALWAYS WANT TO TALK TO SOMEONE ABOUT THEIR DAY, WHETHER IT'S JUST A HOBBY OR THEIR DAY. OVERALL, HOME WILL NOT ALWAYS BE A LOCATION FOR SOMEBODY, BUT THE PEOPLE AROUND THEM ARE WHAT MAKE SOMEONE FEEL LIKE THEY ARE AT HOME. LIKEWISE, HOME COULD BE A PERSON. EVERY TIME YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR WIFE, HUSBAND, GIRLFRIEND, BOYFRIEND, BEST FRIEND, OR JUST YOUR FRIEND, YOU FEEL GIDDY OR AFFECTION AND YOU WANT TO BE WITH THEM OR GO HAVE A FUN TIME. THIS IS THE FEELING OF HOME AND COMMUNITY. STEPHANIE PERKINS, A NEW YORK TIMES BESTSELLER AUTHOR, ONCE SAID, HOME ISN'T A PLACE, IT'S A PERSON. WHILE YOUR PHYSICAL HOUSE MAY BE ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD, YOU MIGHT NOT EVER FEEL LIKE YOU'RE TRULY HOME OR SECURE IF YOU DON'T HAVE THAT PERSON, A SIGNIFICANT PERSON IN YOUR LIFE IS YOUR HOME AND AND OR YOUR FOCAL POINT IN LIFE. 
          FINALLY, IN SOCIETY, YOU MUST ALWAYS ACT A CERTAIN WAY, WHETHER IT'S ACTING PROFESSIONAL FOR YOUR JOB OR BEING LIGHTHEARTED AROUND THE PEOPLE YOU LOVE. ADDITIONALLY, WHEN YOU'RE HOME, YOU COULD ACT LIKE YOUR TRUE SELF AND HAVE A SENSE OF BELONGING AT HOME. 
          TERENCE LESTER, A FOUNDER OF LOVE AND BEYOND, A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION FOCUSED ON POVERTY, AWARENESS AND COMMUNITY WIDE MOBILIZATION, STATED HOME IS WHERE YOU FEEL SAFE, A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE YOU COULD COUNT ON AND WHERE YOU COULD BE YOURSELF. AS LESTER STATED, HOME IS A PLACE WHERE YOU CAN BE YOURSELF. IT'S A PLACE OF BELONGING. IT'S A PLACE WHERE YOU FEEL SAFE. 
          IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT PLACE FOR YOU. HOME IS NOT JUST A PLACE, IT'S THE PEOPLE. IT'S A PLACE YOU GO BACK TO. IT'S A PLACE OF BELONGING. HOME CAN BE MUCH MORE THAN JUST THESE THINGS FOR A PERSON. IT COULD BE MUCH MORE. THAT'S WHY IT'S MY FAVORITE PLACE IN AMERICA. 
          IT COULD BE ANYTHING YOU NEED IT TO BE. THANK YOU. 
          I WANT TO THANK COUNCIL AND MR. YOUNG AND OUR STAFF FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO RECOGNIZE MEMBERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE OUR FUTURE LEADERS, AND MAY GOD BLESS THEM. I THINK I SAW A FUTURE MAYOR COME FORWARD, AND I'M JUST REALLY GRATEFUL THAT WE HAD THIS 
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OPPORTUNITY. SO THANK YOU, STUDENTS, FOR SHARING YOUR VOICES. AMERICA'S TWO 50TH ANNIVERSARY IS NOT ONLY HONORING THE PAST, BUT IT'S INSPIRING THE NEXT GENERATION AND SHAPING OUR FUTURE. TODAY'S STUDENTS GIVE US GREAT CONFIDENCE IN THAT FUTURE. 
          CONGRATULATIONS AGAIN TO ALL THE WINNERS, AND THANK YOU TO EVERYONE WHO HELPED MAKE THIS CELEBRATION POSSIBLE. STUDENTS, IF YOU'LL JUST PLEASE COME FORWARD WITH THE JUDGES SO WE CAN TAKE YOUR PICTURES WITH THE COUNCIL. MR. MAYOR, JUST TO ADD TO THAT, I'M NOT SURE HOW WE CAN SWING IT, BUT IF WE COULD START EVERY MEETING LIKE THIS, THAT WOULD BE GREAT, BECAUSE THAT WAS THAT WAS A THAT WAS FANTASTIC. GO AHEAD AND. WE'RE GOING TO DO. 
          WE'RE INVITING WE'RE INVITING THE HONORABLE MENTIONS UP AS WELL. COME ON CHRISTINA, YOU CAN STAND RIGHT HERE BEHIND HER. ALL OF OUR HONORABLE. AND THEN AFTER THIS WE'RE GOING TO INVITE. 
          SO MY NAME IS. 
          CHRISTINA. AND PRINCIPAL. 
          AND. 
          I. 
          THANK YOU. OH, YOU'RE THE ONE I APPRECIATE IT. YOU GUYS ARE AWESOME. AND CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. BYE. THANK YOU AGAIN. 
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THANK YOU EVERYONE. THANK YOU. A JUDGE MARTIN, IF YOU COULD COME FORWARD SO WE COULD HONOR 
          [4.B) Proclamation for National Drug Court Month.]
THE DRUG COURT MONTH, PLEASE, ALONG WITH YOUR SPECIAL GUEST. 
          AND GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING AGAIN. GOOD TO SEE YOU. HERE. OKAY. IT IS MY HONOR. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY YEARS WE'VE BEEN HONORING THIS PROGRAM, BUT JUDGE, YOU HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB AT BRINGING OUR COMMUNITY TOGETHER. SO IT'S MY HONOR. WHEREAS DRUG ADDICTION IS A COMMUNITY WIDE PROBLEM, REQUIRING A COMMUNITY WIDE RESPONSE, WHEREAS DRUG RELATED CRIMES COST THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN LOSSES OF EACH YEAR IN COLLIER COUNTY, RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES AND LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. WHEREAS, DRUG COURTS FOCUS ON REDUCING CRIME, SAVING MONEY THROUGH A PROGRAM OF INTENSIVE INTERVENTION AND TREATMENT FOR ADDICT PERSONS IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. WHEREAS, DRUG COURTS ACHIEVE THESE GOALS BY EMPHASIZING THE ACCOUNTABILITY, HONESTY AND PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY ON THE PART OF THE ADDED PERSON. 
          WHEREAS, A DRUG COURT AIMS TO HELP THOSE INDIVIDUALS FIND LIFE CHANGING RECOVERIES THAT ALLOW THEM TO REPAIR RELATIONSHIPS WITH FAMILY FRIENDS AND MAKE AMENDS WITH THEIR VICTIMS AND BECOME PRODUCTIVE MEMBERS OF SOCIETY. WHEREAS, DRUG COURTS FACILITATE COMMUNITY WIDE PARTNERSHIPS, JOIN FORCES WITH PUBLIC SAFETY AND PUBLIC HEALTH PROFESSIONALS IN THE FIGHT AGAINST DRUG ADDICTION AND CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR AND RECIDIVISM. AND WHEREAS, THE CITY OF NAPLES IS COMMITTED TO REDUCING CRIME, KEEPING OUR COMMUNITY SAFE AND SUPPORTING RECOVERY OF ADDICTION AND SAVING VALUABLE RESOURCES, NOW, THEREFORE, I, TERESA HEITMANN, BY THE VIRTUE, VIRTUE, AND AUTHORITY VESTED IN ME AS THE MAYOR FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM THAT THE MONTH OF MAY 2026 SHOULD BE DESIGNATED AS NATIONAL DRUG COURT MONTH. THANK YOU, JUDGE, FOR ALL YOU DO. AND IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SAY A FEW WORDS. 
          OKAY. WELL, GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL MEMBERS. AND MADAM MAYOR, THANK YOU AS ALWAYS, FOR BEING SO WARM AND WELCOMING TO OUR GROUP. I'M ABOUT TO CELEBRATE 15 YEARS OF PRESIDING OVER DRUG COURT. I'M IN MY 18TH YEAR OF SERVING AS ONE OF YOUR COUNTY COURT JUDGES. AND EVERY YEAR THIS IS A REAL HIGHLIGHT TO BE ABLE TO STEP INTO THE TOWN SQUARE AND BRING WITH US, OUR CLIENTS, ALUMNI, MEMBERS OF OUR TEAM THAT WORK SO HARD TO SUPPORT THE CLIENTS. YOU KNOW, WE SAY OFTEN THAT ADDICTION IS ISOLATION AND RECOVERY IS CONNECTION, COMMUNITY. YOU ALL REPRESENT OUR COMMUNITY. THIS SPACE IS ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL SPACES WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. AND SO TO BE WELCOMED IN HERE, FOR OUR FOLKS TO BE ABLE TO BE A PART OF THIS EVENT, HELPS EMPHASIZE FOR THEM THAT THIS IS THIS IS WHERE THEY BELONG. THIS IS WHAT THEY DESERVE. TWO OF THE MOST IMPORTANT MOMENTS IN A RECOVERY JOURNEY. ONE, WHEN THE PERSON FIGURES OUT THEY ACTUALLY CAN DO IT. AND THEN MORE IMPORTANTLY, WHEN THEY FIGURE OUT THEY DESERVE IT. BY WELCOMING US, YOU REINFORCE THAT MESSAGE. THEY DESERVE THE LIFE THAT THEY'RE WORKING SO HARD TO BUILD. IT'S SO MUCH HARDER TO DO WHAT THEY ARE DOING THAN TO JUST DO YOUR TIME AND BE ON YOUR WAY. AND SO I'M PROUD TO STAND WITH THEM. I'M HUMBLED TO BE BEFORE YOU AND TO JUST ACCEPT THIS ON BEHALF OF EVERYBODY CONNECTED WITH OUR PROGRAM. THANK YOU. SO. 
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I KNOW I DON'T LIKE THIS. OKAY. WE HAVE YOUR HANDS. 
          [4.C) Proclamation for Water Safety Month - NCH Safe and Healthy Children's Coalition.]
IS DANIEL DANIEL WHITE? AND TERESA HANSON, RIGHT? GOOD MORNING. SO THIS PROCLAMATION IS RECOGNIZING WATER SAFETY MONTH AND THE NAPLES COMMUNITY HOSPITALS HEALTHY CHILDREN'S COALITION. AND WE DIDN'T HAVE OUR LARGE CROWD WITH THE DOC TODAY THAT COULDN'T MAKE IT. I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE. THIS IS A VERY, VERY IMPORTANT INITIATIVE FOR THE AMOUNT OF DROWNINGS THAT WE HAVE FOR CHILDREN JUST HERE IN COLLIER COUNTY. SO THANK YOU. 
          WHEREAS FLORIDA CONTINUES TO RANK FIRST IN THE NATION FOR CHILD DROWNING INCIDENTS, WITH ENOUGH CHILDREN LOST EACH YEAR TO FILL 3 OR 4 PRESCHOOL CLASSROOMS. AND IN COLLIER COUNTY, DROWNING REMAINS THE LEADING CAUSE OF DEATH FOR CHILDREN FROM 1 TO 4 YEARS OLD. 
          AND WHEREAS THE NAPLES COMMUNITY HOSPITAL HEALTH AND SAFETY CHILDREN COALITION OF COLLIER COUNTY, COMPRISING MORE THAN 70 LOCAL AGENCIES DEDICATED TO IMPROVING CHILD HEALTH AND PREVENT INJURY, REMAINS STEADFAST IN THE MISSION TO REVERSE THESE ALARMING TRENDS. WHEREAS, THE COALITION HAS IMPLEMENTED A COMPREHENSIVE EVIDENCE BASED DROWNING PREVENTION STRATEGY INFORMED BY THE NATIONAL DROWNING PREVENTION ALLIANCE AND EMPHASIZES THE TRUE SAFETY REQUIRES MULTIPLE LAYERS OF PROTECTION, INCLUDING PHYSICAL BARRIERS, HIGH QUALITY SWIM INSTRUCTIONS AND EFFECTIVE RESCUE SKILLS, AND CPR TRAINING. 
          WHEREAS, A CORNERSTONE OF THIS EFFORT, THE COALITION LAUNCHED SWIM CENTRAL IN MARCH 2012, PROVIDING CRITICAL WATER SAFETY EDUCATION, AND SINCE ITS INCEPTION, HAS DELIVERED MORE THAN 1861 LESSONS TO 12,921 CHILDREN THROUGHOUT THE CITY OR THROUGHOUT CALHOUN COUNTY. 
          WHEREAS, FEBRUARY 14TH, THE COALITION EXPANDED ITS PREVENTION INITIATIVES WITH THE KIDS DON'T FLOAT, GIVE THEM THAT DOES LIFE JACKET LOANER PROGRAM, WHICH NOW MAINTAINS 18 ACCESSIBLE LOANER STATIONS AT LAKES BEACHES ACROSS THE COUNTY, EACH STOCKED WITH 20 PROPERLY FITTED LIFE JACKETS AND A VARIETY OF SIZES. WHEREAS THE COALITION WELCOMES STEWIE THE DUCK AND THE WATER SAFETY MASCOT IN 2016, ENGAGING FAMILIES AND YOUNG CHILDREN AND FUN, MEMORABLE, MEMORABLE AND EFFECTIVE SAFETY EDUCATION. WHEREAS, DROWNING PREVENTION LAYS THE FOUNDATION OF HEALTHY, LIFELONG RELATIONSHIPS WITH THE WATER, SUPPORTING PHYSICAL ACTIVITY, FAMILY, RECREATION, AND COMMUNITY WELL-BEING. NOW, THEREFORE, I, TERESA HEITMAN, BY THE AUTHORITY VESTED IN ME AS THE MAYOR FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES, FLORIDA, DO HERE PROCLAIM THE MONTH OF MAY 26TH DROWNING PREVENTION MONTH. AND THANK YOU, SIR, FOR ALL YOU DO. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR, WE APPRECIATE IT. STEWIE DID NOT GRADUATE FROM COLLEGE, SO WE NEED TO REPLACE STEWIE THE DUCK. SO THAT'S. THAT'S WHY SHE'S NOT HERE. SHE JUST GRADUATED. BUT WITH ME SO HANDSOME, SHE HEADS UP TO NC SAFE AND HEALTHY CHILDREN'S COALITION. WE GOT 
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ALBERTO CESAR, AND WE GOT MERCEDES. YEP, YEP. WITH RIVER PARK AQUATIC CENTER. THEY THEY JUST WENT THROUGH A MAJOR RENOVATION. THEY DO A LOT WITH SWIM, SWIM CLASSES, SWIM LESSONS AROUND TOWN HERE. AND THIS MONTH IS WATER SAFETY MONTH. SO IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A BIG MONTH FOR US. AND, AND I CONFUSE A LOT OF PEOPLE BEFORE OUTSIDE, I, A LOT OF YOU KNOW ME FROM MY 14 YEARS WITH THE NAPLES COAST GUARD AUXILIARY, BUT I ALSO FOR THE LAST 12 YEARS HAVE BEEN PARTNERED WITH NCH AND NOW CURRENTLY SERVE AS THE CHAIRPERSON OF THE ADVISORY BOARD. AND I WORK A LOT WITH THE NC SAFE AND HEALTHY CHILDREN COALITION. SO I DON'T WANT TO CONFUSE YOU PEOPLE. WHERE'S YOUR UNIFORM ANYWAY? TODAY? YEAH, YEAH. TODAY IS ALL ABOUT WATER AND I'M GONNA MAKE IT QUICK. WE JUST HAD A BIG GROUP AND THE TRUTH, A TOUGH ACT TO FOLLOW, AND NINE AND TEN YEAR OLDS CAN OUTSHINE YOU. SO, BOY, THEY WERE GOOD. BUT THANK YOU, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL FOR ONCE AGAIN RECOGNIZING MAY AS DROWNING PREVENTION MONTH. WE VALUE YOUR PARTNERSHIP NOT ONLY DURING MAY, BUT YEAR ROUND AS WE WORK TOGETHER TO STRENGTHEN WATER AND SWIM SAFETY ACROSS COLLIER COUNTY. DROWNING IS FAST AND SILENT AND IT CAN AFFECT ANY FAMILY, EVEN THE MOST ATTENTIVE AND CARING. OVER THE PAST TWO YEARS, OUR COMMUNITY HAS SEEN A CONCERNING RISE IN BOTH FATAL AND NON-FATAL DROWNINGS INCIDENTS. 
          CHILDREN WELL, EXCEPT THAT THIS LOCAL TREND MIRRORS WHAT WE ARE SEEING STATEWIDE IN 2025, FLORIDA RECORDED 120 CHILD DROWNINGS. THAT'S A BIG NUMBER, SURPASSING PREVIOUS RECORDS. AS OF TODAY, 2026 HAS ALREADY SEEN 29 CHILD DROWNINGS, INCLUDING ONE IN COLLIER COUNTY, PLACING THE STATE ON PACE TO MATCH LAST YEAR'S TRAGIC TOTAL. THESE NUMBERS REINFORCE WHY PREVENTION EFFORTS ARE CRITICAL. WHAT GIVES US HOPE, THOUGH, IS THE STRONG COLLABORATION BETWEEN BEHIND THE WORK. THE UNSAFE, SAFE AND HEALTHY CHILDREN'S COALITION FOCUSES ON IMPROVING LAYERS OF FOUNDATION, MOST OF THEM MOST IMPORTANT ONES, AT LEAST IN OUR OPINION, ACTIVE ADULT SUPERVISION. THAT'S A KEY. PHYSICAL BARRIERS LIKE POOL FENCES AND ALARMS, SWIM LESSONS WHICH ARE VITAL, VERY IMPORTANT, AND RESCUE SKILLS, INCLUDING CPR. WE DO NOT DO THIS ALONE AND WE ARE GRATEFUL FOR OUR PARTNERS, MANY OF WHOM ARE HERE TODAY. I'LL JUST MENTION A FEW NAPLES CHILDREN FOUNDATION, CITY OF NAPLES RIVER PARK AQUATIC CENTER. IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT, YOU SHOULD GO. IT'S IT'S BEEN REDONE. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL FACILITY NOW, SO IT LOOKS GREAT. LET'S SEE THE US COAST GUARD AUXILIARIES IN NAPLES, MARCO ISLAND AND WIGGINS PASS CONSERVANCY OF SOUTHWEST FLORIDA AND THE FLORIDA DROWNING PREVENTION FOUNDATION. GRIEF HELP NEAR ME. THOSE ARE JUST SOME OF THE ORGANIZATIONS WE WORK WITH. ROTARY CLUB IS ALSO A BIG PARTNER OF OURS. THEY. THEY SPONSOR. THE LIFE JACKET STANDS AT THE PIER AS WELL AS LAURA PARK. SO THROUGHOUT MAY WE INVITE RESIDENTS TO LEARN MORE, GET INVOLVED AND MAKE WATER SAFETY A SHARED COMMUNITY. 
          RESPONSIBILITY. MORE INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND@WATERSMART.COM. THANK YOU FOR STANDING WITH US AND OUR PARTNERS TO HELP KEEP EVERY CHILD SAFE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          OUR PROCLAMATION. YES, IT'S YOURS SIR. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK. I ALSO WANT TO MENTION THAT LILA ZUK, WHO WAS ONE OF THE JUDGES, HUMBLY WROTE A BOOK THAT'S THIS THICK ON THE HISTORY OF NAPLES. AND SHE DONATED EACH ONE TO EACH SCHOOL AND TO THEIR 
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LIBRARIES. AND WHILE I'M COMING FORWARD TO CONTINUE ON WITH THE MEETING, COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON, YOU WANT TO MAKE A SHOUT OUT TO WHO WAS IN THE AUDIENCE, WHICH WE DID NOT KNOW PRIOR TO THE ESSAYS. YES, MY MY LOVELY WAS HERE EARLIER TODAY REPRESENTING THE THE WONDERFUL STUDENT FROM LAKE PARK ELEMENTARY, MY LOVELY BEING OBVIOUSLY MY WIFE WHO IS A FIFTH GRADE TEACHER. AND IT WAS WONDERFUL JUST TO HAVE HER HERE TO, TO WITNESS THE MAGIC THAT HAPPENS ON THE DAIS. THANK 
          [5) PUBLIC COMMENTS ]
YOU. AND WITH THAT, WE'LL GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT. AND THERE ARE PUBLIC SPEAKER REGISTRATION FORMS IN THE BACK THAT CAN BE FILLED OUT AND GIVEN TO THE CLERK. WITH THAT, I HAVE OUR FIRST SPEAKER IS STEVEN RUBIC. GOOD MORNING, SIR. AND YOU YOU HAVE THREE MINUTES, NOT SEVEN. 
          I'LL KEEP TRYING TO GIVE IT TO YOU. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME. MY NAME IS STEVEN RUBY. I'M PRESIDENT OF ARCHITECTS UNLIMITED. 3625 FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH. I'M BEFORE YOU THIS MORNING TO ASK YOUR ACTION TO EXTEND THE THE RESOLUTION OR THE ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS CONSTRUCTION OF ROOFTOP RESTAURANTS IN THE 800 BLOCK OF FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH. IT'S ABOUT TO EXPIRE IN JUNE, AND WE WOULD LIKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING TO YOUR ATTENTION AND BRING FORTH TO YOUR. A CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION IN THE NEXT FEW MONTHS FOR A UNIQUE RESTAURANT AND DINING OPPORTUNITY AT THE BUILDING AT 898 FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH, WHICH IS IN THE 800 BLOCK. IT WILL CONSIST OF A RESTAURANT ON THE GROUND FLOOR AND A DINING EXPERIENCE ON THE ON THE ROOF OF THAT OF THAT BUILDING, AND WE WILL UPGRADE THAT BUILDING, WHICH IS IN NEED OF A GATEWAY BUILDING. IT'S IN NEED OF SOME UPGRADING. THE RESTAURANTEUR WHO WE OPERATING, OWNING AND OPERATING IT IS ONE OF THE 20TH 2020 MOST POPULAR RESTAURANTS AND SUCCESSFUL RESTAURATEURS IN THE COUNTRY. 
          THEY'RE CHICAGO BASED. AND JUST AS AN ASIDE, THE FOUNDER OF THAT ORGANIZATION IS A NAPLES RESIDENT AND HAS BEEN LOOKING FOR AN OPPORTUNITY TO BRING ONE OF HIS RESTAURANTS INTO OUR COMMUNITY. MOST OF YOU ARE FAMILIAR WITH IT. I YOU GIVE GRACIOUSLY GAVE US SOME TIME TO SIT WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY AND SHOW YOU THE PRELIMINARY DESIGN FOR THIS. THIS VENUE, AND INTRODUCE YOU VIRTUALLY TO THE RESTAURATEUR. I JUST WANT TO MAKE A. SINCE THIS IS A PUBLIC RESTAURANT IS NOT A CLUB, IT IS NOT. WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT I KNOW HAS BEEN AN ISSUE. OUR CLIENT HAS SAID EVERYONE IS A VIP IN HIS RESTAURANTS. SO WHAT WE ASK YOU TO DO IS IF YOU COULD HAVE AUTHORIZE YOUR PLANNING STAFF TO PREPARE A RESOLUTION TO EXTEND THIS, THIS ORDINANCE FOR AT LEAST A YEAR TO GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO BRING FORTH THIS, THIS, THIS PROJECT TO YOU. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS JAMES WHITAKER. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING. MY NAME IS JAMES WHITAKER. I LIVE AT FIVE, SEVEN, EIGHT 13TH STREET NORTH. AND I'M HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY FOR I'LL SAY THREE REASONS. FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK ALL OF YOU FOR THE HARD WORK THAT YOU GUYS DO FOR THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY. AS MY SON INFORMED ME FROM JACKSONVILLE, THIS IS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. THIS IS THE PLACE THAT EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE IN NAPLES, FLORIDA. AND THAT HAS A LOT TO DO WITH YOU GUYS BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN OPEN MIND. AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THAT. BUT THEN I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS AND THEN A REQUEST. OKAY. FIRST OF ALL, ARE WE STILL ON SCHEDULE FOR THE PROJECTS FOR THE RIVER PARK EAST COMMUNITY? THAT'S THE FIRST QUESTION. SECOND QUESTION. 
          WITH THE RISING ECONOMY. DO WE HAVE ENOUGH FUNDING FOR THIS PROJECT? BECAUSE NOBODY ANTICIPATED THINGS TO GO AS LEFT AS THEY DID. EVERYTHING RISES. BUT FOR SOME REASON, THINGS HAVE GOTTEN WAY OUT OF HAND. SO WE'RE KIND OF CONCERNED THAT MAYBE IN THE 
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PLANNING STAGES, WE MAY NOT HAVE PLANNED ENOUGH MONEY FOR THIS PROJECT. THEN THE REQUEST IS, IF WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY PLANNED TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY, CAN YOU AS A COUNCIL, PLEASE KEEP THE PROMISE THAT WAS MADE TO RIVER PARK EAST? THE YOUNG MAN FROM NAPLES HIGH SCHOOL MADE A VERY. I LOVE THIS ESSAY BECAUSE HE SAID THAT HOME IS WHERE YOU FIND FRIENDS. IT'S A PERSON. IT'S A PLACE, A RIVER. PARK EAST IS MY HOME. I WAS OUT OF MY HOME FOR TWO YEARS DUE TO IAN AND WAS ALMOST PUT OUT BY MILTON. SO THOSE PUMPS ARE VERY MUCH NEEDED IN THAT AREA. SO IF YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU CAN TO GET THAT, GET THAT BALL ROLLING, WE WOULD REALLY APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU AND PERFECT TIMING. YOU CAN WATCH MONDAY'S WORKSHOP WHERE THE EXACT TOPIC THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO ABOUT FUNDING AND THE PROJECT FOR RIVER PARK EAST WAS MENTIONED. AND AS FAR AS FUNDING, I HAVE TO LOOK TO THE CITY MANAGER WHO HAS BEEN AMAZING IN BEING ABLE TO MAP OUT A LONG TERM PLAN FOR OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. SO. WE'RE MAKING GREAT STRIDES IN SECURING THAT MONEY, BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF EFFORT IN FRONT OF US. SO THANK YOU. MADAM CLERK, DO I HAVE ANY FURTHER PUBLIC COMMENT? I HAVE TWO OH, IS THAT IT? OKAY. SORRY. NO THAT'S GOOD. THANK YOU FOR CHECKING. OKAY. WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES OUR PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'RE GOING TO THE APPROVAL OF 
          [APPROVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA]
THE CONSENT AGENDA. AND COUNCIL MEMBER PITTMAN HAS MENTIONED PULLING SEVEN D YES, COUNCIL. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THE CONSENT AGENDA? MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE APPROVAL OF THE REMAINING ITEMS OF THE CONSENT AGENDA ABSENT ITEM SEVEN D. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ FOR APPROVING THE CONSENT AGENDA, PULLING SEVEN B. WITH THAT, THE A, C AND D. THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT, THANK YOU FOR THAT CORRECTION. ALL IN FAVOR SIGNED BY I. I OPPOSED OKAY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY TAKING US TO ITEM EIGHT HEARINGS. THERE AREN'T ANY TODAY AND REGULAR AGENDA. SO 
          [10) ITEMS PULLED FROM CONSENT AGENDA (If Needed)]
ITEMS PULLED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. MR. YOUNG OR MR. MCCONNELL. YES. THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          A RESOLUTION APPROVING AN AMENDMENT TO THE CITY OF NAPLES WATER AND WASTEWATER SERVICE, INTERLOCAL SERVICE BOUNDARY AGREEMENT IN ACCORDANCE SATISFACTION BETWEEN THE CITY OF NAPLES AND COLLIER COUNTY TO MODIFY AND EXPAND THE CITY'S POTABLE WATER SERVICE BOUNDARY TO INCLUDE UP TO 90 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS AND THE WINDWARD LANDING RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER PENMAN. OH, MR. YOUNG, DID YOU HAVE. NO. I'LL WAIT. YEAH. MY CONCERN IS, QUITE FRANKLY, THAT THIS IS A VERY SMALL PROJECT. THERE ARE ONLY 90 HOMES INVOLVED AND IT SPANS BOTH THE CITY AND THE COUNTY, WHICH WE ARE TOLD THERE CAUSES INEFFICIENCY IN THE SERVICE. BUT THE COUNTY ALREADY PROVIDES WATER AND SEWER CORRECT TO THAT AREA. MR. GOMEZ IS HERE TO WITH AND HE HAS A SLIGHT PRESENTATION TO ANSWER ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS RELATED TO THAT. YES, MA'AM. AND THE QUESTION WAS GOOD MORNING. QUESTION IS, DOES THAT MY SENSE IS, IS THAT THE COUNTY ALREADY PROVIDES WATER AND SEWER TO THIS PARTICULAR AREA. IS THAT CORRECT? THE COUNTY PROVIDES SEWER SERVICE AND THIS AREA IS WITHIN OUR WATER SEWER DISTRICT AREA. WE PROVIDE WATER. COUNTY PROVIDES SEWER AND THE WATER SERVICE AREA IS ALMOST 5050 DIVIDED IN HALF. SO WE MOVE FORWARD TO PROVIDE WATER AT THE REQUEST OF THE. BOTH DEVELOPER AND THE LANDOWNER. THEY WANT TO HAVE SERVICE FROM OUR WATER SEWER DISTRICT. FOR THE WATER SERVICE. ONLY SEWER WILL BE 
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PROVIDED BY THE COUNTY. SO IF I MIGHT TO FURTHER EXPLAIN, IF WE. IF WE GO TO MAP, YOU CAN SEE ON YOUR SCREEN THE PROJECT LOCATION. AS YOU CAN SEE, MA'AM, THE ON THE LEFT SIDE PROJECT LOCATION SHOWS. AND. THANK YOU. SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS THE SERVICE AREA FOR THE WATER, SEWER AND SEWER WILL BE PROVIDED BY COLLIER COUNTY WATER SEWER DISTRICT AND WATER IS GOING TO BE PROVIDED BY OUR CITY OF NAPLES AND THIS AREA. MAP FROM HERE. DOWN HERE, ALL THE WAY HERE. AND TO THIS POINT, ALREADY BEING PROVIDED BY OUR CITY UTILITIES. AND ON THE RIGHT SIDE, YOU CAN SEE HOW VISIBLE THIS AREA IS AS FAR AS DEVELOPMENT FROM OUR NAPLES BAY AND THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY OF NAPLES. AND ONE OF THE REASONS WE DID WANT TO ENTERTAIN AND AND TAKE ON THE WATER SERVICE IN THIS AREA. ONE, IT'S ALREADY WITHIN OUR SERVICE DISTRICT. TWO PORTION, WHICH IS NOT PART OF OUR SERVICE DISTRICT. COUNTY AGREED TO GIVE IT TO US. THAT MEANS THE WHOLE DEVELOPMENT AREA WILL HAVE WATER SERVICE FROM OUR CITY WATER DISTRICT. THAT MEANS WE'RE WE'RE ENCOURAGING DEVELOPMENT SURROUNDING OUR CITY LIMITS WITH LOW DENSITY SINGLE HOME COMPARABLE AND COMPATIBLE TO WHAT WE LIKE TO SEE SURROUNDING OUR CITY. SO WE ARE, IN A SENSE, FACILITATING THIS DEVELOPMENT BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT IT'S A SINGLE HOME, LOW DENSITY DEVELOPMENT RIGHT NEXT TO AND SURROUNDING OUR CITY LIMITS. AND AS IMPORTANTLY, IF I MIGHT GO ONE SLIDE FURTHER, WE TALKED ABOUT OUR CITY PIER PROGRAM. SO WHEN YOU GO BACK AND LOOK AT THIS AREA, THAT'S AN INFRASTRUCTURE THAT WILL OFFER IS GOING TO PUT ALL THE WATER SYSTEM, BACKFLOW PREVENTION DEVICES, WATER MAINS, METERS, VALVES, AND THEY WILL CONVEY TO US AS A NEW ASSETS WITH LIFE CYCLE, AT LEAST FOR 20 PLUS YEARS. THAT WILL GIVE US A OPPORTUNITY AND REVENUE SOURCE FOR NEXT 20 YEARS, BETWEEN 2 TO $4 MILLION THAT OTHERWISE WE WOULD NOT HAVE REVENUES FOR. SO OUR OPTION WAS GIVE UP OUR TERRITORY FOR WATER SERVICE AREA, LOSE THE REVENUES OR KEEP THE REVENUES, AND HAVE A DEVELOPMENT SURROUNDING OUR CITY BOUNDARIES WITH LOW DENSITY, COMPARABLE, DESIRABLE DEVELOPMENT. THE OTHER PIECE IS THAT WHEN WE HAVE REVENUES COMING FROM THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT OUTSIDE OF THE CITY, THAT WILL GIVE US A CHANCE TO BUILD AS MUCH AREA, REBUILD AS MUCH AREA WITHIN THE OLDER AREAS OF THE CITY OF NAPLES FOR WATER RENEWAL PROJECT, WHICH WE HAVE LOTS OF THEM GOING ON, INCLUDING RIVER PARK EAST AND AQUA LANE SHORES AND BASIN FOR RIGHT. WITH THAT. THIS AMENDMENT ALIGNS WITH CITY PIER PUBLIC UTILITIES RENEWAL PROGRAM PROVIDES ADDITIONAL FUTURE REVENUE SOURCES AND NEW ASSETS THAT WE DON'T HAVE, PROVIDES BETTER POSITION FOR US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WHERE NEEDED. REQUESTING AND AND GETTING BONDS FOR THE FUTURE PROJECTS THAT DEALS WITH OUR UTILITY AND DEFINITELY SUPPORTS 2004 TO 5 HORIZON AND INTEGRATED INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING. AND AT THE END CLEARLY DEFINES SERVICE ROLES. CITY PROVIDING POTABLE WATER. COUNTY PROVIDING WASTEWATER ALTERNATIVE WOULD BE WE WOULD GIVE UP OUR SERVICE AREA. THEREFORE OUR REVENUES AND COUNTY WOULD PROVIDE POTABLE AND WASTEWATER. HOWEVER, WE'RE NOT SURE IF THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PRIVATE ROADS TO BRING COUNTY WATER TO THE SERVICE AREA WHERE CITY WATER IS AVAILABLE. AND IF THIS DEVELOPER WALKS AWAY FROM 
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THIS DEVELOPMENT, WHO KNOWS WHAT MIGHT COME HERE AS PART OF THE COUNTY DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS OUTSIDE OF THIS COUNCIL'S DECISION. SO WHAT I'M CALLING INTO QUESTION HERE IS THE COST BENEFIT OF THIS. I THINK IN THE WHAT WE WAS PRESENTED TO US, THAT THE REVENUE GENERATED FROM THIS WOULD BE ABOUT SOMEWHERE AROUND $100,000 ANNUALLY. THE COST FOR DOING THIS IS WHAT, WHAT WHAT IS THE COST GOING TO BE AS FAR AS PROVIDING THIS SERVICES, DOING THE NECESSARY WORK THAT'S THAT WE NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO PROVIDE THIS SERVICE? YES, MA'AM. IN THE SIMPLEST OF TERMS, WE ARE EITHER GOING TO GIVE UP A BOUNDARY AREA OR WE'RE GOING TO TAKE IT ON THE DEVELOPMENT ITSELF. IF THINK OF THIS AS A PASTOR AND THEY COME IN, AND IF WE AUTHORIZE THE DEVELOPMENT, THEY COME IN AND THEY HAVE TO PUT IN ALL OF THE PIPES, ALL OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE, ALL THE ROADS, ALL THOSE THINGS THAT IS TYPICAL IN A COMMUNITY IN A DEVELOPMENT NOWADAYS. AND THOSE THINGS CONVEY. SO THE OUT OF POCKET WITHIN THE IMMEDIATELY IS NOTHING. WE HAVE WATER SERVICE LINES. I'LL LET DOCTOR GEORGE BECAUSE THAT WAS MY QUESTION ALL ALONG, WHICH IS WE BASICALLY HAVE A 5050 SPLIT IN THE AREA. WE EITHER GIVE IT UP OR WE TAKE IT ON. THE ASSETS BECOME. AND WHAT THEY INSTALL WITHIN THE THE 90 HOME COMMUNITY, THAT INFRASTRUCTURE BECOMES AN ASSET OF THE CITY. YOU PAY A PREMIUM CHARGE BECAUSE YOU'RE OUTSIDE THE JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARIES AND IT'S REVENUE THAT IS COLLECTED. 
          NOW, DO YOU WHAT DOCTOR GEORGE WAS ALLUDING TO IS YOU TAKE ON ASSETS THAT YOU HAVE THAT ARE BRAND NEW ASSETS THAT HAVE LIFE EXPECTANCY 25 TO 40 YEARS. EVENTUALLY YOU HAVE TO OBVIOUSLY REPLACE INFRASTRUCTURE LIKE ANYTHING ELSE. BUT IN THE MEANTIME, YOU HAVE ON YOUR BORDER SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH THE DENSITY THAT YOU LIKE TO ENCOURAGE. YOU HAVE CONVEYANCE OF PIPES AND INFRASTRUCTURE WITHOUT ANY INVESTMENT ON YOUR OWN PART, AND THAT BECOMES PART OF YOUR CAPITALIZED ASSETS. SO THAT'S REALLY THE DETERMINING FACTOR IS, IS THAT IT CHECKS THE BOXES OF THE COMMUNITY. IT PROTECTS YOUR BOUNDARIES, AND IT IS EITHER TO ACCEPT THEM AND TO UTILIZE THIS OPPORTUNITY, OR IT'S JUST LET IT CONVEY BACK AND THEN LET THE COUNTY DO WHAT THEY NEED TO DO TO TAKE ON THIS COMMUNITY. SO IT WAS THOSE ARE THE LONG AND SHORT OF THE MOST FUNDAMENTAL PART. BUT YOUR IMMEDIATE OUTLAYS SHOULD BE NOTHING AND ARE EXPECTED TO BE NOTHING UNTIL CONVEYANCE. BECAUSE IN DOCTOR GEORGE, YOU CAN CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. WE HAVE SUFFICIENT PIPE SIZE PIPE TO ACCOMMODATE THESE 90 HOMES IN THAT AREA WITHOUT AN INFRASTRUCTURE INVESTMENT. THAT'S CORRECT SIR. AND SO LET'S GO BACK TO THE FACT THAT WE'RE, I GUESS, EXPANDING OUR WATER SERVICE TO THIS PARTICULAR AREA. AND I'M STILL STRUGGLING WITH WHAT THE END GAME IS HERE. WHAT IS THE REAL BENEFIT TO THE CITY FOR US TO TAKE IT SO IT EXISTS? THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT WE HAVE TO KNOW. YOU DON'T HAVE TO, MA'AM. AND THAT'S WHY WE OUTLINED ON THE SLIDE. YOU HAVE THE OPTION TO LET IT. AND IF THE COUNTY GOES FORWARD AND IF THIS GOES FORWARD, IT WOULD STILL BE 90 HOMES. YOU JUST YOU RELINQUISH YOUR AREA TO THE COUNTY IN TERMS OF YOUR WATER SERVICE AREA. IN THE EVENT THAT IT THIS ONE DOESN'T GO THROUGH. AND IF THEY DON'T WANT THE COUNTY AND THEY PUT SOMETHING ELSE THERE, THEN YOU DEAL WITH THOSE THOSE RAMIFICATIONS. SO, MA'AM, I'M NOT HERE TO CONVINCE YOU THAT THIS IS THE BE ALL, END ALL. BUT WE'RE FACED WITH, WE ARE EITHER GOING TO GIVE UP AN AREA OR WE'RE GOING TO MAINTAIN OUR SERVICE AREA AND EXPAND TO ENCOMPASS THE ENTIRE DEVELOPMENT AND TAKE ON THOSE ASSETS AND THE RESPONSIBILITY OF PROVIDING WATER. I IT IT'S NOT A ZERO SUM GAME THERE, BUT, BUT IT DOES HAVE ITS, ITS, ITS IMMEDIATE BENEFITS. AND CONSISTENT WITH THIS WITH THE CITY OF NAPLES DENSITY AND WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE AROUND THE COMMUNITY. SO, SO PERHAPS I'M THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS CONCERNS. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE ARE A COUPLE OF LIGHTS ON. I'LL BACK OFF FOR A MINUTE. YEAH. NO, I SHARE YOUR CONCERNS IN THAT WE ARE MAKING OUR PRIORITY OF INFRASTRUCTURE REPAIRS OR UPGRADES BECAUSE OF OUR INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT WITH THE COUNTY AND THEIR PROJECT. BUT IT'S ALREADY WITHIN OUR SERVICE AREA. AND TO DISRUPT THAT PARTICULAR. AREA, IT MEANS THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE SKIPPING OVER AND PICKING AND CHOOSING WHAT WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO 
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UPGRADE AS OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. SO IT IT'S WE'RE GOING TO BE FACED WITH A LOT OF THESE JUST LIKE WE DID THE LAST MEETING. WE DISCUSSED IT IN THE CIP THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'LL SAY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS GAVE US THE BEST GIFT OF PROVIDING WATER WELLS AND US HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE THAT WATER AND TO PROVIDE IT TO OTHER AREAS BESIDES THE CITY. AND THOSE BOUNDARIES ARE ALREADY IN PLACE. I THINK WE'D HAVE TO HAVE A MUCH LARGER CONVERSATION ABOUT THE INTERLOCAL AGREEMENT AND HOW WE ARE SERVICING OR CONTINUE TO SERVICE THEM. SO WITH THAT, I HAVE VICE MAYOR. AND THEN. COUNCIL MEMBER CARL, AND THEN CLARIFY THE FINANCIAL SIDE. SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THE DEVELOPER IS GOING TO PAY ALL THE UPFRONT INFRASTRUCTURE COST. SO I THINK IT DOESN'T STOP US FROM DOING THE THINGS WE TALKED ABOUT ON MONDAY, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT AT A POCKET. THE INSTALLATION COST, THE DEVELOPER IS PAYING FOR ALL OF THAT, AND THEN THEY'LL TURN AROUND AND GIVE IT TO THE CITY AT THE END, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. SO ZERO UPFRONT COST NOT ARTICULATED HERE. SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. YES THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT MR. YOUNG JUST CLARIFIED. THANK YOU. AND SECONDLY, WHAT IS THE PREMIUM UPLIFT CHARGE FOR PEOPLE WHO LIVE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS? I KNEW YOU WERE 30%. LISA'S GOING TO TEXT ME IN TWO SECONDS. I THOUGHT IT WAS 25. BUT YEAH, SO THERE'S AN INDIRECT BENEFIT TO CITY PEOPLE BECAUSE PEOPLE OUTSIDE THE CITY LIMITS ARE PAYING 25% MORE FOR WATER. SO IT INDIRECTLY SUBSIDIZES THE CITY SYSTEM BY THEM PAYING ENOUGH CHARGE. OF COURSE, CITY RESIDENTS ARE PAYING PROPERTY TAXES TO THE CITY, AND THEY'RE NOT. SO ALL IN ALL, IT'S FAIRLY FAIR AND EQUITABLE, BUT IT DOES HELP SUPPORT THE WATER SYSTEM TO THE EXTENT THEY'RE PAYING EXTRA. THANKS. AND THANK YOU FOR THAT CLARIFICATION. I DID TAKE IT INTO THE LARGER PICTURE. THANK YOU. I HAVE COUNCIL MEMBER CARL. I THINK THIS IS A WELL THOUGHT OUT PLAN. I CONGRATULATE DOCTOR GEORGE. I THINK IT MAKES TOTAL SENSE. THIS IS GOING TO BRING NET REVENUES INTO THE CITY. AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE TAKING ON A NEW PROJECT, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT INFRASTRUCTURE FOR A COUPLE DECADES. IT'S ALL NEW INFRASTRUCTURE. IT'S JUST A CONNECTION. THAT'S ALL WE'RE MAKING. IT'S GOING TO BRING IN NET REVENUES TO THE CITY. SO WHY WOULD WE DO THIS? IT'D BE STUPID NOT TO DO IT. IN MY OPINION, THAT NUMBER IS 100 K ANNUALLY. YEAH. I THINK THAT'S THE THAT'S THE PROJECTED. YES MA'AM. THAT'S AND LISA DID TEXT ME. SO SHE GAVE ME A GOLD STAR AND IT IS 25% PREMIUM. I APPLAUD DOCTOR GEORGE'S EFFORT ON THIS PLAN AS I THINK IT'S A NO BRAINER. AND IT ALSO GIVES US CONTROL IN THAT AREA TO SOME DEGREE. AND YOU KNOW OUR BORDERING AREAS, YOU KNOW, ON DEVELOPMENT AND ALL THAT WE'VE GOT. WE'VE GOT CONCERNS. SO I THINK WE SHOULD KEEP CONTROL OF THAT AREA FROM THE WATER SUPPLY STANDPOINT. AND IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE TO ME. OKAY. I COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ AND THEN BARTON, THANK YOU. THE QUESTION I HAVE IS HOW MUCH VALUATION IS ON THAT PARCEL OF PROPERTY THAT WE MAY LOSE OR WE MAY KEEP SAY THAT AGAIN, THE PROPERTY VALUE OF THAT AREA, WHAT IS THE PLUS MINUS UNDER? YEAH. SO RIGHT NOW THE PROPERTY WE DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE DEVELOPMENT OF ITS UNDEVELOPED LAND AT THE MOMENT. SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH IT'S GOING TO BE. 
          AND IN EITHER CASE, WE'RE NOT BRINGING THEM WITHIN OUR CORPORATE BOUNDARIES TO BRING IN THE PROPERTY TAXES. BUT IT IS A SERVICE AREA THAT, AGAIN, GETTING BACK TO PREVIOUS DISCUSSION, SHOULD THAT EVER BECOME PART OF THE CITY. BUT I'M NOT GOING TO QUANTIFY A NUMBER THAT I DON'T KNOW. BUT BUT BUT CERTAINLY AT THE MOMENT IT IS, IT IS, IT IS IT IS GREEN LAND. AND IT WILL BECOME HOMES FOR 90 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. BUT I DON'T HAVE A PROPERTY VALUE. 
          SO WE'RE NOT GIVING UP OR THE COUNTY WILL GAIN IN PROPERTY TAXES. LET ME BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT BECAUSE IT'S OUTSIDE THE CORPORATE LIMITS. BUT WE YOU KNOW, WE TRY TO LOOK AT IT INDEPENDENTLY OF THE PROPERTY TAX PART OF IT BECAUSE WE'RE OPERATING. WE'VE GOT TWO HATS TO WEAR HERE, AND ONE IS THE CEO'S OF OF AN ENTERPRISE FUND, WHICH IS A WATER DISTRICT, AND TO MAKE EFFICIENT DECISIONS ON THAT. AND OH, BY THE WAY, IF YOU CAN SURROUND YOURSELF BY SINGLE FAMILY HOMES WITH A MINIMUM DENSITY AROUND YOUR YOUR CITY, IT PUTS YOU IN A BETTER POSITION AS WELL. SO I'M NOT LOOKING FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE. I CAN'T ANSWER WHAT I DON'T KNOW, BUT THOSE ARE THE BENEFITS TO ME. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU MAKING THE COROLLARY THAT YOU'RE GOING INTO A PROJECT WHERE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE END RESULT IS GOING TO BE, SO YOU'RE NOT GOING TO VENTURE A GUESS. I WOULD CONTEND THIS COUNCIL IS ABOUT TO DO THE SAME THING WITH SOMETHING ELSE AND MAKES LITTLE SENSE TO ME. THE DOLLARS YOU 
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SAVE AND DON'T SPEND ON THINGS SOMETIMES ARE THE BEST DOLLARS FOR YOU. AND I WOULD ASK AGAIN, YOU AND I BROUGHT THIS UP BEFORE IN REGARDS TO LOCATIONS ON THE BORDER OF THE CITY THAT ARE VIRTUALLY 100% OF COMMERCIAL SPACE, AND TO THE NORTH, TO THE EAST. AND I WOULD LOVE AT SOME POINT FOR THE STAFF TO CRANK SOME NUMBERS IS TO SEE WHAT 2 OR $2.4 BILLION WORTH OF BUILDING PROPERTY THAT'S ALREADY HERE. AND THEN WE CAN PERHAPS FORCE OUT OF THE OTHER IDEAS WE MAY NOT CARE FOR. YEAH. SO THAT DISCUSSION, IT HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP BY A NUMBER OF COUNCIL MEMBERS NOW. AND FROM MY EDIFICATION, AND EVEN WHEN WE WENT THROUGH THE INDIVIDUAL SIPS, THERE WERE POCKETS WE TALKED ABOUT AS IT PERTAINED TO WHAT WAS WHAT WAS SEPTIC TO SEWER, WHAT WASN'T, WHAT AREAS YOU KNOW, ARE ADJACENT TO US. SO, SO WE'LL PUT SOME NUMBERS TOGETHER OVER THE SUMMER JUST TO HAVE THEM FROM A TALKING POINT PERSPECTIVE. AND THAT WAY WE'VE SHARED THEM THESE. BUT BUT ULTIMATELY THAT THE DIRECTION AS TO WHETHER WE'RE GOING TO PURSUE ANYTHING WOULD COME FROM THE DAIS. BUT, BUT HAVING THE NUMBER OF QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD IN THOSE POCKET AREAS, I THINK WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO PROVIDE THAT. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. AND AND THEN THE LAST THING I WANT TO ADD IS WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THE SEWER, WE ALREADY HAVE A LOCAL AGREEMENT AND WE HAVE A NUMBER OF AREAS IN THE UNINCORPORATED COLLIER COUNTY WHERE IT'S OUR WATER SERVICE DISTRICT AND THEY PROVIDE SEWER. 
          WE DO THE BILLING AND THIS WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT IN THE IN THESE AREAS, MA'AM. AND THEN AGAIN, HALF OF IT, IT RESIDES PRESENTLY WITHIN OUR SYSTEM. THE OTHER HALF DOESN'T. THE ENTIRE THING WILL BE. EXCUSE ME. THE ENTIRE AREA WILL BE COUNTY SEWER AND STORMWATER, AND IT WILL BE CITY WATER IF IT'S AUTHORIZED. AND UPON CONVEYANCE. COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. THANK YOU. LINDA. I TOO WAS GOING TO ASK TO HAVE THIS PULLED BECAUSE I FELT IT WARRANTED A A CONVERSATION BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CITY RESOURCES. THE. THE, THE BENEFITS HERE ARE WE'VE GOT SOME ECONOMIC BENEFITS. YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, NET REVENUE GAIN FOR 20 PLUS YEARS BECAUSE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS GOING TO BE PAID FOR BY THE DEVELOPER, WHICH IS THAT'S GREAT. IT'S NOT A HUGE NUMBER, BUT, YOU KNOW, MONEY COMING IN IS BETTER THAN MONEY GOING OUT. AND IT'S ALREADY PART OF OUR WATER. PART OF IT IS ALREADY PART OF OUR WATER SERVICE BOUNDARY. MATTHEW, I'VE GOT A QUESTION FOR YOU IN REFERENCE TO THIS. IF WE WERE TO AGREE TO DO THIS, WE ARE EXPANDING OUR OUR WATER SERVICE BOUNDARY AREA, RIGHT? IS THAT SETTING ANY TYPE OF PRECEDENT FROM A STANDPOINT OF OTHER DEVELOPERS ASKING US TO DO THE SAME WHEN THEY'RE ON THE WHEN THEY'RE ON THE BORDER OF OUR OF AN AREA THAT WE ALREADY PROVIDE. 
          AND THEY SAY, OH, WE'D LIKE YOU TO EXPAND TO, TO PROVIDE US WATER SERVICE AS WELL. ARE WE FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, ARE WE SETTING ANY TYPE OF PRECEDENT WITH SAYING YES TO THIS AND THEN POTENTIALLY SAYING NO TO SOMEONE ELSE THAT ASKS TO DO THE SAME THING? TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY, NO. OKAY. BECAUSE REMEMBER, EVERY CASE IS EVERY SITUATION IS DIFFERENT. 
          JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY YES ONCE DOESN'T MEAN THE NEXT SITUATION IS GOING TO MAKE SENSE. YEAH, YEAH. I JUST DON'T WANT I DON'T WANT TO HAVE AS A GRAY AREA WHERE ALL OF A SUDDEN WE'VE GOT AN ARGUMENT FROM SOMEBODY SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO DO THIS BECAUSE WE DID IT FOR SOMEONE ELSE. SO THAT YOUR ANSWER IS WONDERFUL. AND THAT'S THAT'S WHAT I WAS HOPING TO HEAR. 
          PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT THING, IN MY OPINION, TO A YES FOR THIS. IF WE WERE TO DO THIS, IF WE WERE TO TO PROCEED WITH A YES, IS THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTROL THE DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING UP RIGHT HERE, ESSENTIALLY ON OUR BORDER, ON OUR BORDER, ON OUR WATERWAY. I DON'T KNOW IF IF Y'ALL ARE AWARE, BUT THE COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH PUTTING REALLY, REALLY BIG BUILDINGS IN, IN EYESIGHT OF THINGS THAT WE LIKE TO DO HERE WITHIN OUR CITY. SO IF WE WERE TO SAY NO TO THIS AND THIS DEVELOPER WERE TO SAY, OKAY, NEVER MIND, I DON'T WANT TO DO THIS BECAUSE THEN I HAVE TO PAY A LOT MORE TO BRING IN WATER FROM THE COUNTY. THEN WE GET A NEW DEVELOPER COMING IN THAT SAID, HE WANTS HE WANTS TO PUT UP A 57 STORY, MAYBE 357 STORY TOWERS IN THE SAME THING. AND WE'RE DRIVING NOW. WE'RE DRIVING OUR BOATS DOWN OUR WATERWAY, AND WE GET TO STARE AT MORE HUGE BUILDINGS. SO THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT IS THE TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT THAT WE THAT WE SHOULD EMBRACE FROM THE COUNTY ON OUR BORDERS, FROM A LOW DENSITY STANDPOINT, SINGLE FAMILY HOME STANDPOINT, SO THAT THEY'RE NOT PUTTING UP MONSTROSITIES IN OUR IN OUR EYE LINE. AND THIS GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO ENSURE THAT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION AS OPPOSED TO SOME OTHER TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT. SO PROBABLY THE BIGGEST REASON FOR A YES, AT LEAST AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, IS THAT WE ARE GOING TO SAY YES TO A DEVELOPMENT THAT'S THAT'S LOW DENSITY, AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THESE HUGE BUILDINGS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, 
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WE'VE GOT WE GET SOME REVENUE FROM IT TOO, FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS BEFORE WE START TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT REPLACING INFRASTRUCTURE. YEAH, IT'S NOT A LOT, YOU KNOW, BUT IT IS IT, IT'S REVENUE AND IT'S NET REVENUE FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS, 20 YEARS OUT, 20 PLUS YEARS OUT, WE MIGHT HAVE TO START REPLACING SOME PIPES AND IT MIGHT COST US SOMETHING. BUT AT LEAST, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE SOME NET REVENUE HERE THAT WE'RE NOT HAVING. WE'RE HAVING, WE'RE NOT HAVING TO PUT MONEY INTO IT TO, TO RECEIVE THE REVENUE FOR THE NEXT 20 PLUS YEARS, WHICH IS OBVIOUSLY A POSITIVE. BUT I THINK PROBABLY THE BIGGEST POSITIVE HERE IS THAT IS THAT WE'RE GOING TO ENSURE THAT WE'VE GOT A LOW DENSITY DEVELOPMENT GOING THERE INSTEAD OF A BUNCH OF HIGH RISE TOWERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE OVERLOOKING OUR BAY AND OUR MANGROVES. DOCTOR GEORGE, FROM A STANDPOINT OF OUR WATER SUPPLY, THIS IS NOT GOING TO HAVE ANY EFFECT ON OUR ON OUR WATER SUPPLY FROM A RESOURCE STANDPOINT. AND NEXT, A FOLLOW UP QUESTION TO THAT IS, WILL THIS WATER SUPPLY ALSO BE FOR IRRIGATION PURPOSES FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT, OR IS IT SIMPLY GOING TO BE OR IS IT ONLY GOING TO BE FOR WATER SUPPLY FOR THE, THE, THE, THE, THE STRUCTURES THEMSELVES, PEOPLE LIVING WITHIN THE STRUCTURES, THE FIRST ANSWER ANSWER TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION IS, YES, WE DO HAVE APPROPRIATE CAPACITY IN TERMS OF PIPE SIZES AND THE WATER SUPPLY AND PLANT CAPACITY. THIS IS BEING LOW DENSITY DEVELOPMENT. SECOND PART AS FAR AS IRRIGATION GOES, THE PURPLE PIPES WE'RE GOING TO HAVE IN THAT AREA IS GOING TO BE PART OF THEIR MEANING. COLLIER COUNTY WATER SEWER DISTRICT RECLAIMED WATER. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S GOOD, THAT'S GOOD. SOME MORE GOOD ANSWERS. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. KRAMER, WHEN THIS WAS PULLED, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY. AND THAT'S BECAUSE FIVE MINUTES WITH DOCTOR GEORGE AND OUR ONE ON ONES. YOU LOOK AT HIS DECK AND YOU'RE LIKE WELL, OF COURSE, LIKE JOHN SAYS CHECKS EVERY BOX. 
          BUT IN THE END, I'M GLAD IT WAS PULLED BECAUSE THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T PRIVY TO OUR ONE ON ONES AND MAYBE DIDN'T LOOK AT THE DECK, AND MAYBE THEY WOULD. AS SOON AS THEY SEE IT GO UP, THEY'RE GOING TO LOSE THEIR MINDS. SO HOPEFULLY THIS IS ON THE RECORD. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR THIS, FOR PULLING THIS TO VERIFY THAT IT CHECKS EVERY BOX THAT WE NEED TO. AND LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S JUST A COUNCILMAN CRULL IT'S A NO BRAINER LIKE THIS. IF WE COULD DO THIS ALL THE WAY, IF WE COULD CREATE THIS BUFFER AROUND THE CITY OF NAPLES, THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS. YES. 
          GREAT PLAN. IS THAT A MOTION I MOVE TO APPROVE AND I SECOND IT. I HAVE A MOTION BY A THIRD. I HAVE A. GREAT DISCUSSION. I HAVE A WAIT. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER, A SECOND BY VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP, AND DISCUSSION BRIEFLY. I JUST WANT TO COMMEND YOU, DOCTOR GEORGE. 
          I'M A NEWBIE HERE. THREE MONTHS INTO THIS FOUR YEAR EXPERIMENT IN LIFE, AND I HAVE REACHED OUT TO YOU MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE IN THE CITY WHEN IT COMES TO THE ISSUES THAT THE RESIDENTS, I FEEL, HAVE REALLY LEGITIMATE CLAIMS. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT YOUR EFFORTS TO GO THERE, LISTEN WITH THE PEOPLE IN THE HOSE AND THE NEWLY FORMED THING, BUT TO GO VISIT WITH PEOPLE. 
          AND WHAT I WANTED TO WRITE TO THEIR FACE, TELL ME WHAT YOU WANT. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I CAN DO. AND IF I CAN'T DO IT, I'LL TELL YOU WHY. AND THAT IS THE FEEDBACK I GET ON YOU. AND I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR THE EXPERTISE AND THE THE RIGHT YOU GIVE THE CITIZEN TO EXPRESS TO YOU PERSONALLY WHEN YOU SHOW UP AT A PLACE. AND THAT'S A DEFINITE CREDIT TO THE CITY. A CREDIT TO YOU. AND I WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. WELL DESERVED. WITH THAT, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE HOLD. COUNCIL. VICE MAYOR. BLANKENSHIP. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KROLL. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. PITTMAN. YES. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE, COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ. YES. AND MAYOR HARTMAN, YES. THANK YOU. AND I AGREE WITH KRAMER. I THINK IT WAS A GOOD EXERCISE AND HAVING SOME ITEMS THAT THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T QUITE UNDERSTAND. SO THANK YOU. WITH THAT, THAT CONCLUDES ITEMS PULLED FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA GOING TO. BOARDS AND COMMITTEES. 
          [11.A) Interview applicant for the Design Review Board and Consider Appointments to Various Boards and Committees (Supplement 2/Updated Item).]
MISSUS GRABOWSKI. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL. PATRICIA RAMOS, CITY CLERK. ON MONDAY, THE CITY COUNCIL INTERVIEWED APPLICANTS, NEW APPLICANTS FOR THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. WE ALSO HAD AN APPLICANT FROM YOUR CURRENT ALTERNATE MEMBER, JAMES KNAFO, AND HE WAS NOT ABLE TO BE IN TOWN ON MONDAY MORNING TO HAVE HIS INTERVIEW, SO WE HAVE SCHEDULED THAT HERE PRIOR TO THE APPOINTMENTS TODAY. AND MR. NAPPO HAS IS SERVING A PARTIAL TERM AS SUBMITTED, AN APPLICATION FOR A REGULAR THREE YEAR TERM ON THE DESIGN REVIEW 
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BOARD. SO I WOULD LIKE TO INVITE MR. KNAFO UP TO THE DESK. GOOD MORNING, MR. KNAFO, AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE ONCE AGAIN. YES. IF YOU HAVE ANY OPENING COMMENTS, JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS JAMES KNAFO. I AM THE PRESIDENT OF JAMES KNAFO ARCHITECT INCORPORATED, LOCATED AT 2500 NINTH STREET NORTH HERE IN NAPLES, FLORIDA. AS AN OPENING STATEMENT, I'VE BEEN SERVING AS AN ALTERNATE MEMBER OF THE CITY OF NAPLES DESIGN REVIEW BOARD NOW FOR ABOUT FIVE SIX MONTHS. I'VE PARTICIPATED IN ALL OF THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD MEETINGS. IT HAS TURNED OUT TO BE A BETTER EXPERIENCE THAN EVEN I COULD HAVE EXPECTED IN IN THE SENSE THAT I JOINED THIS BOARD IN AN EFFORT TO TRY TO BRING ANY EXPERTISE OR TALENT THAT I HAVE RELATIVE TO HELPING SHAPE THE FUTURE OF THE CITY OF NAPLES. AND WHAT I'VE COME TO TO REALIZE IS THAT WE DO HAVE A LOT MORE TALENT IN THIS CITY THAN I HAD EXPECTED. 
          LOOKING AT THE PROJECTS THAT HAVE COME FORWARD, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A GENUINE EFFORT MADE BY THE LOCAL DESIGN PROFESSIONALS TO COMPLEMENT WHAT WE ALREADY HAVE, AND TO TRY TO KEEP MOVING THE DESIGN QUALITY THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY FORWARD. SO IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH MY COLLEAGUES AND TO TRY TO HELP WHERE I CAN, AND I DO LOOK FORWARD TO THE OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE SERVING ON OUR DESIGN REVIEW BOARD. THANK YOU. WELL DONE. ANY QUESTIONS? JUST SIMPLY, WE APPRECIATE YOU DOING THAT. APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN TODAY BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T MAKE IT ON MONDAY. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. LIKE I SAID, IT WAS TRULY A PLEASURE TO BE HERE TODAY. THAT WAS BEAUTIFUL. THE CELEBRATION THAT YOU DID. OH, YES. OKAY. NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE AND YOUR WILLINGNESS TO CONTINUE. 
          THANK YOU ALL AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. SO NEXT WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE APPOINTMENTS. 
          AND OUR FIRST ONE IS THE COMMUNITY REDEVELOPMENT AGENCY ADVISORY BOARD. YOU INTERVIEWED A NEW APPLICANT ON MONDAY, JOSEPH CASO, AND THAT WAS YOUR ONLY APPLICANT FOR THAT ALTERNATE POSITION. AND WE HAVE NO BALLOTS TODAY. WITH THAT BEING THE CASE, I I'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE APPOINT JOSEPH CASO TO THE CRAB BOARD OR TO THE CRAB. SECOND MOTION BY. 
          COUNCILMEMBER AND SECOND BY COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU. DAVID. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER KRAMER AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNED BY I. I OPPOSED THANK YOU COUNCIL. THANK YOU. AND JUST TO CONFIRM FOR THE RECORD THAT THAT IS FOR A THREE YEAR TERM COMMENCING MAY 20TH, 2026 AND EXPIRING MAY 19TH, 2029. NEXT IS THE COMMUNITY SERVICES ADVISORY BOARD. WE HAVE A VACANCY FOR ONE REGULAR MEMBER AND YOUR APPLICANT, SUZANNE CLIMB. THE ALTERNATE APPLIED FOR A REGULAR MEMBER POSITION. COUNCIL DISCUSSION. THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISCUSS. OH, I THINK IT'S PRETTY EASY. AND SUSAN CLEM HAS BEEN A SUPERSTAR FOR YEARS AND YEARS AROUND THE AROUND TOWN. SO WITH THAT, I MOVE THAT WE APPOINT SUSAN CLEM TO THE C, SAB SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER AND A SECOND BY COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ. ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNED BY I, I, I OPPOSED THANK YOU COUNCIL. AND JUST TO CONFIRM, FOR THE RECORD, THAT'S A THREE YEAR TERM COMMENCING MAY 1ST, 2026 AND EXPIRING APRIL 30TH, 2029. AND LASTLY, THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, WE HAVE TWO NEW APPLICANTS THAT THE CITY COUNCIL INTERVIEWED ON MONDAY. THAT WAS GERALD MAXSON AND SEAN MURPHY. YOU HAVE TWO REGULAR VACANCIES. AND THEN TODAY YOUR. WELL, ACTUALLY, WE WILL TAKE THOSE SEPARATELY BECAUSE WE 
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HAVE. THE ALTERNATE MEMBER POSITION TODAY THAT YOU INTERVIEWED FOR. MR. IS AN ALTERNATE THAT WILL BE CONSIDERED SEPARATE. SO YOU HAVE TWO VACANCIES FOR REGULAR AND TWO APPLICANTS. WE HAVE TWO VACANCIES FOR REGULAR AND TWO APPLICANTS FOR REGULAR. CORRECT. 
          AND THAT'S AND FOR THE EXACT SAME TERM. JUNE 1ST, 2026 TO MAY 30TH, 2020. AND THE TWO APPLICANTS FOR REGULAR ARE KNAFO AND MAXSON. MAXSON AND MURPHY ARE. YES. NAFA WAS ALSO APPLYING FOR A REGULAR POSITION AND MOVE UP FROM ALTERNATE. YES, AN ALTERNATE POSITION. IS ALTERNATE. YEAH. I THOUGHT HE WAS MOVING TO REGULAR POSITION. WE WE. I HAD A CLARIFICATION. 
          WE. HE DID ORIGINALLY APPLY TO BE A REGULAR MEMBER. HOWEVER, THE MAKEUP OF THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD REQUIRES THAT A MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERS BE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY, AND MR. KNAFO IS A RESIDENT OF THE COUNTY. SO AT THIS TIME WE NEED TO FILL THE TWO REGULAR POSITIONS WITH CITY RESIDENTS. DO WE HAVE AN ARCHITECT WITH MR. RUBY? YOU HAVE BECAUSE THAT'S AN ARCHITECT. I'M SORRY. IRMA SAFIR IS AN ARCHITECT AND SABRINA MCCABE IS A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT. RIGHT. BUT YEAH, I WAS HOPING MR. KNAFO COULD BE THE ARCHITECT, REGULAR MEMBER, SO THAT WE HAVE ENOUGH REGULAR ARCHITECTS ON THE BOARD WHEN THEY MEET. OTHERWISE, WE ONLY HAVE ONE, RIGHT? CORRECT. I THINK THAT'D BE GREAT IN A PERFECT WORLD, BUT I BELIEVE THE PRIORITY IS THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE CITY RESIDENTS. AND SO HE'S ALSO ATTENDED EVERY MEETING AND HE WEIGHS IN. SO EVEN THOUGH IF HE CAN'T VOTE UNLESS SOMEONE'S ABSENT, AT LEAST, I MEAN, HE'S PARTICIPATING, IT'S NOT LIKE HE'S NOT SHOWING UP. WELL. AND THEN IN ADDITION TO THAT, IF WE LOSE OUR ARCHITECT THAT'S CURRENTLY ON THE BOARD, FOR SOME REASON HE IS THE ALTERNATE. SO WE WOULD BE ALTERNATE WOULD BE STEPPING IN AS AN ARCHITECT AS WELL. SO I MEAN IT, HE IS FILLING THAT, THAT VOID, THAT POTENTIAL VOID. IF WE WERE TO LOSE THE ARCHITECT ON THE REGULAR, ON THE ON THE REGULAR BOARD, AS OPPOSED TO ALTERNATE, THE ALTERNATE WOULD BE AN ARCHITECT STEPPING INTO THAT VOID. SO I FEEL LIKE IT PROBABLY ACCOMPLISHES THAT GOAL EVEN EVEN THOUGH HE IS BEING PUT INTO ALTERNATE ROLE. I DO HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH. I THINK IT WAS. MR. MURPHY THAT I MENTIONED THE POSSIBILITY ON GOING ON CODE ENFORCEMENT AND. DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO HEAR THAT DIALOG BETWEEN. NO. NO ONE REACHED OUT ABOUT APPLYING FOR THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD. OH, NO. RIGHT. IT WAS NOT MURPHY. 
          IT WAS. TOM AND COSTCO. RIGHT. TURNING COSTCO. COSTCO. THE OTHER TWO GENTLEMEN, GERALD MAXSON AND SEAN MURPHY, ARE BOTH CITY RESIDENTS. YES THEY ARE. AND IF THEY TOOK THE TWO CITY RESIDENT POSITIONS THAT DOUG HOWEY AND STEVEN RUBY HAD, THEN WE WOULD HAVE THREE CITY RESIDENTS AND TWO COUNTY. CORRECT? CORRECT. WE'D HAVE. YES. OKAY. AND DID CAN YOU TELL US THE UPDATE FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT AS FAR AS THE BOARD AND THE NUMBER OF. WE DID RECEIVE ONE APPLICANT FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD, WHICH WE'RE BRINGING TO COUNCIL IN JUNE AND NEXT MONTH, AND IT WILL. THE APPOINTMENT WILL BE BEFORE THE NEXT CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD MEETING. AND WE'RE SHORT. HOW MANY. I THINK TWO, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER. WHAT'S THE QUORUM FOR? IT'S A SEVEN MEMBER BOARD. WE USUALLY HAVE SEVEN MEMBERS WITH TWO ALTERNATES. YOU NEED FOUR TO HAVE A QUORUM. I BELIEVE WE'RE SHORT THREE, AND I DON'T THINK WE HAVE ANY ALTERNATES. 
          AND SO WE ONLY CURRENTLY HAVE FOUR MEMBERS. IS MY UNDERSTANDING. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T DISCUSS THAT BEFORE. I HAD THE WRONG NAME FOR MR. TORN BECAUSE I ASKED HIM IF YOU KNOW ANY PARTICULAR BOARD. HE JUST REALLY WANTED TO GET INVOLVED AND. I MENTIONED THE CODE ENFORCEMENT BOARD, BUT WE DID NOT HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. AND IF WE IF. IF WE ARE SHORT A CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER OR MEMBER. AND WE. WELL, WE HAVEN'T DISCUSSED IT WITH HIM 
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EITHER, BUT IT WASN'T LIKE PARTICULAR. HE HE HAD AN INTEREST IN ANY BOARD. SO I JUST THINK THAT APPOINTING PEOPLE TO A BOARD. WE'RE VERY GRACIOUS AND ARE VERY HAPPY TO GRATEFUL TO HAVE PEOPLE APPLY. BUT WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN THE RIGHT POSITIONS AND THAT WE CAN FILL THE NEED FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT. BUT WITH THAT BEING SAID, I SHOULD HAVE BROUGHT IT UP EARLIER BEFORE WE TOOK OUR VOTE AND HAD A CONVERSATION ABOUT IT. YES. COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ, A QUESTION. WHAT'S THE PRECEDENT FOR NOT FILLING SEATS FOR LACK OF PARTICIPANTS FROM THE CITY IS COULD WE WOULD CARRY THIS A MONTH OR TWO MONTHS, POSSIBLY LONGER, TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO TRY TO DO THIS INSTEAD OF CROSS-POLLINATING THE COUNTY WITH OURS? WE ALL SPEAK FOR THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD HAD A CHANGE IN THE COMPOSITION OF THE BOARD BECAUSE WE COULDN'T GET CITY RESIDENTS TO FULFILL THE DRB, SO WE EXPANDED IT TO THE COUNTY. SO THAT REALLY IS SOME A DISCUSSION. WE PROBABLY NEED TO LOOK AT OUR OUR BOARDS WITH THIS NEW COUNCIL AND JUST MAKE SURE THAT THE MAKEUP AND STRUCTURE AND MEETINGS AND THEIR DIRECTIVES ARE CLEAR. AND FOR THIS COUNCIL. BUT COUNCIL MEMBER, I RECALL PARTICULARLY FINDING CITY RESIDENTS WHO ARE LICENSED ARCHITECTS AND WILLING TO SERVE WAS CHALLENGING. SO I THINK THE DECISION A FEW YEARS AGO WAS TO EXPAND IT TO COUNTY RESIDENTS WHO ARE LICENSED ARCHITECTS BUT WHO DO WORK IN THE CITY. SO THEY ARE FAMILIAR WITH HOW THINGS LOOK AND OPERATE AND FIT IN THE CITY. OF COURSE, I THINK WE'D LOVE TO HAVE MORE CITY RESIDENT ARCHITECTS. WE'VE JUST HAD TROUBLE RECRUITING THEM. THANK YOU. AND DID YOU LIMIT THAT TO ONE MEMBER DURING YOUR DISCUSSION, OR WAS IT JUST THAT YOU WERE WILLING TO OPEN UP THE FLOODGATES FOR? I THINK IT WAS SAID WE WOULD ENDEAVOR TO MAKE SURE A MAJORITY, WHICH IS THREE OUT OF THE FIVE, ARE CITY RESIDENTS. WE'D LOVE TO HAVE 4 OR 5 OUT OF FIVE, BUT AT LEAST THREE. SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, WE HAVE THREE APPLICANT APPLICANTS. WE HAVE THREE POSITIONS AVAILABLE. WE HAVE AN ARCHITECT THAT IS CURRENTLY SERVING AS AN ALTERNATE THAT, ACCORDING TO OUR RULES, WOULD GO AS AN ALTERNATE. AND THEN THE TWO REMAINING COULD BE MADE APPOINTMENTS TO THE BOARD. I GET THAT RIGHT. SO I NEED A MOTION. YES, MADAM MAYOR, I MOVE THAT WE APPOINT SEAN MURPHY AND GERALD MAXAM TO REGULAR MEMBERS ON THE DESIGN REVIEW BOARD, WITH THE THREE YEAR TERM EXPIRING MAY 31ST, 2026, AND MR. JAMES TO REAPPOINT HIM AS THE ALTERNATE MEMBER FOR A THREE YEAR TERM. 
          ALSO EXPIRING MAY 31ST, 2026. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. NO FURTHER DISCUSSION. ALL IN FAVOR ASSIGNED BY. OH, WAIT, WE NEED TO TAKE THAT SPECIFICALLY. EACH ONE. NO, WE'RE. YOU'RE GOOD. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? SIGNED BY. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. AND JUST TO CLARIFY, FOR THE RECORD, ALL OF THOSE POSITIONS START JUNE 1ST, 2026 AND END MAY 30TH OF 2029. YEAH. 
          OH, SORRY. I WAS MADE THE WRONG THING IN THE MEMO. MADAM CLERK, DO YOU HAVE THAT CORRECTION? THANK YOU. OKAY, MRS. RAMBOX, NO FURTHER BOARD APPOINTMENTS. THANK YOU. THAT CONCLUDES THAT. 
          THANK YOU. OKAY, THAT CONCLUDES ITEM 11. A MOVING TO 12. A LAND USE MATTERS, MR. MCCONNELL. YES. 
          [12.A) A Resolution Determining Petition 26-V2, Relating to a Variance Pursuant to Sections 46-37 and 56-93 of the Code of Ordinances, City of Naples, to Allow an Existing Boat Dock and a New Boat Lift to Exceed the Required Shore-Normal Dimension Limitations of Five (5) Feet Offshore from the Platted Property Line for Property Owned By ANR Capital, LLC, An Illinois Limited Liability Company, and Located At 2125 Snook Drive; More Fully Described Herein; Providing Findings and Conditions; Providing for Scrivener’s Errors; and Providing an Effective Date. ]
THANK YOU. MAYOR. A RESOLUTION DETERMINING PETITION TWO SIX DASH V2 RELATING TO A VARIANCE PURSUANT TO SECTION 46-37 AND 5693 OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. CITY OF NAPLES TO ALLOW AN EXISTING BOAT DOCK AND A NEW BOAT LIFT TO EXCEED THE REQUIRED SHORE. NORMAL DIMENSION. LIMITATIONS OF FIVE FEET OFF SHORE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE FOR PROPERTY 
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OWNED BY A N R CAPITAL LLC AND ILLINOIS LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY AND LOCATED AT 2125 SNOOK DRIVE. MORE FULLY DESCRIBED HEREIN, PROVIDING FINDINGS AND CONDITIONS, PROVIDING FOR SCRIVENER'S ERRORS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. THANK YOU FOR ALL THOSE INTENDING TO OFFER TESTIMONY. IF YOU COULD PLEASE RISE AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. 
          IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE HERE? DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE ABOUT TO GIVE BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES. THANK YOU. OKAY. COUNSEL. 
          DISCLOSURES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KROLL. LOCATION. BARTON. BRIEF DISCUSSION WITH STAFF JUST FOR THE PURPOSE OF CLARIFICATION. KRAMER. SAME BRIEF DISCUSSION WITH STAFF FOR BACKGROUND AND SCHULTZ. I'M FAMILIAR WITH THE PROJECT, BUT HAVE NOT ANY DISCLOSURES TO MAKE IN REGARDS TO MEETING ANYBODY. NO CONTACT. AND VICE MAYOR, A BRIEF DISCUSSION WITH OUR PLANNING DIRECTOR AND NO OTHER CONTACT. I. DID NOT HAVE CONTACT WITH STAFF OR WITH THE PETITIONER. 
          HOWEVER, I WATCHED THE PA MEETING. WITH THAT BEING SAID. WE'LL GO TO THE PETITIONER FOR A PRESENTATION. GOOD MORNING SIR. GOOD MORNING. HOW ARE YOU GUYS DOING TODAY? IF YOU'LL JUST STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE MARK WARRIORS. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE OWNER OF 2125 SNOOK DRIVE. GOOD TO GO. SO CURRENTLY WE ARE REQUESTING FOR A VARIANCE TO ALLOW THE INSTALLATION OF A BOATLIFT ON THE NON-CONFORMING DOCK AT A SINGLE FAMILY WATERFRONT PROPERTY. THE WATERFRONT PROPERTY IS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WITH AN EXISTING DOCK THAT WAS ALREADY PERMITTED IN 2004. IT IS A NAVIGABLE CANAL WITH ACCESS, WITH A BOAT. 
          TRAFFIC AND BOATING IS CUSTOMARY IN THIS. IN THIS AREA. THE REQUEST IS TO INSTALL A BOATLIFT AS AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO THE EXISTING DOCK. THIS IS INTENDED TO IMPROVE THE SAFETY, PROTECT THE VESSEL ITSELF, AND ALLOW FUNCTIONAL USE OF THE WATERFRONT PROPERTY WITHOUT INCREASING THE INTENSITY OR CHANGING THE USE OF THE PROPERTY. AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE PICTURE THAT'S ON YOUR SCREEN, THIS IS THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION OF THE DOCK WITH SAID BOAT MOORED IN THAT SPOT ALREADY. SO THE THE LOT IS A PIE SHAPED LOT, AND THE DOCK LOCATION IS CONSTRAINED BY THE CANAL'S GEOMETRY. THESE PHYSICAL CONDITIONS WHERE THE LIFT OR NEW DOCK CAN BE PLACED. AS YOU CAN SEE, IT'S ALREADY RESTRICTED WITH THE PIE SHAPE IT BASICALLY MAKES FURTHER OUT. ONCE YOU PASS INTO THE WATER, YOU HAVE YOUR EXTENDED LOT LINES AND RIPARIAN LINES. IT CONSTRAINS IT FURTHER MORE TO ALLOW FOR SIDE SETBACKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE RESTRAINT THAN NORMAL. THE DOCK IS ALREADY CONFIGURED, AS YOU SAW BY THE PICTURE. IT'S A VERY UNIQUE SITE CONDITION WHICH MAKES DOCKING OR DOCKING OR MOORING A BOAT A LITTLE SLIGHTLY MORE DIFFICULT. THE JUSTIFICATION? WE'RE TRYING TO DO A STRICT APPLICATION OF THE CODE. IT CREATES A HARDSHIP BY PREVENTING REASONABLE USE OF THE EXISTING DOCK. THE HARDSHIP IS NOT SELF-CREATED, AND IT RESULTS FROM THE LOTS CONFIGURATION AND EXISTING DOCK PLACEMENT ESTABLISHED PRIOR TO CURRENT OWNERSHIP. SO THE OWNER PURCHASED THIS HOUSE A COUPLE YEARS AGO. THIS DOCK WAS ALREADY THERE, EXISTING PERMITTED. SO THE OWNER, AS HE. AS MOST OWNERS AND CITY OF NAPLES BROUGHT HIS BOAT DOWN TO WITH ACCESS, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT HIS DOCK, KNOWING HE'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS HIS WATERWAY AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. SO ONCE HE INHERITED IT AND KNEW THAT IT WAS A PERMANENT DOCK, HE FIGURED ADDING A LIFT WOULDN'T BE A PROBLEM WHATSOEVER. THROUGH PERMITTING, WE REALIZED THAT THE DOCK WAS A NON-CONFORMING DOCK. SO WE'RE BASICALLY TRYING TO ASK THE PERMISSION HERE TO ADD A LIFT. FOR ONE, THE DOCK ALREADY EXISTS JUST TO FURTHER HELP OUT THE OWNER ACCESS EXACTLY WHAT OUR WHAT OUR WHAT IS ALREADY THERE FOR THE MOST PART. IF YOU GUYS CAN SEE FROM THIS PICTURE AS WELL ALREADY, IF WE WERE TO RECREATE THE SAME, TO ADD A LIFT INTO CONFORMITY, WE WOULD HAVE TO DEMO THE EXISTING DOCK AND PUT THE LIFT 
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PARALLEL TO SHORELINE, WHICH WOULD ADD HARDSHIP WITH US AND INGRESS TRYING TO GET IN AND OUT WITH HIS BOAT, WITH POTENTIAL ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS OF THE DOCK REMOVAL AND ADDING A NEW ADD. ADDING A NEW DOCK. SO THESE ARE THE NEIGHBORING DOCKS. AS I WAS SAYING BEFORE, IF WE WERE TO NOW SWITCH THE DOCK TO PARALLEL TO SHORELINE, IT WOULD CREATE A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A HARDSHIP TRYING TO COME IN AND OUT WITH THE EXISTING DOCKS TO THE NORTH. 2 OR 3 OF THEM ALREADY HAVE THIS EXACT SAME CONFIGURATION, WITH BEING PERPENDICULAR TO THE SHORELINE AND STRAIGHT OUT. THIS IS PROBABLY THE ONLY COVE THAT'S LIKE THAT FOR THE MOST PART. FROM BACK IN THE DAYS THIS WAS APPROVED. IT'S JUST A LOT EASIER TO COME STRAIGHT IN BECAUSE WITH ALL THESE BEING PIE SHAPED LOTS, IF YOU CAN SEE THE SECOND HOUSE TO THE NORTH THERE, WITH IT BEING SUCH A CONSTRAINT, IT WOULD BE PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO EVEN PUT A KAYAK PARALLEL TO THE SHORELINE IF THEY WERE TO BUILD IT WITH REGULAR CONFORMING RULES TO NOWADAYS STANDARDS. AS I WAS SAYING, WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFITS TO PUTTING THE BOAT ON A LIFT RATHER THAN LEAVING IT IN THE WATER. AS WE ALL KNOW, BOATS WORK WITH MOTORS, BOTH WORK WITH GAS, EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. SO SITTING IN THE WATER OVER TIME, EVENTUALLY YOU HAVE BOTTOM PAINT, WHATEVER IT IS THAT MIGHT SOAK INTO THE WATER AND DAMAGE THE ENVIRONMENT UNDERNEATH THE BOAT, UNDERNEATH THE WATER ITSELF. SO WITH IT BEING PUT INTO A LIFT, IT'S NOT ONLY ENVIRONMENTALLY BENEFICIAL, IT ALSO HELPS PROTECT THE PROTECT THE BOAT, PROTECT THE UNDERNEATH WATER, WHATEVER ENVIRONMENT THAT IS THERE. FISH, POTENTIAL, OYSTERS, WHATEVER IT IS, CAN NOW NO LONGER BE DISTURBED. WHETHER THERE IS A STRONG WIND OR WHATEVER IT IS, WITH THE BOAT SWAYING BACK AND FORTH INTO THE WATER. IN CONCLUSION, WE ARE TRYING TO JUST ADD THE LIFT TO, LIKE I SAID, THE EXISTING DOCK. THE BOAT IS ALREADY THERE. IT IS ALREADY MOORED IN THE EXACT SAME AREA. PUTTING IT ON LIFT WOULD NOT ONLY BE BENEFICIAL FOR THE ENVIRONMENT, IT WOULD ALSO ALLOW THE OWNER TO HAVE FULL BASICALLY EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS EXPECTING TO GET WHEN HE PURCHASED THIS PROPERTY. FULL ACCESS, AS ALL THE OTHERS DO ON THIS EXACT SAME COVE OR BAY. TO BE ABLE TO PUT HIS BOAT ON THE LOT. ALSO WITH HIS BOAT NOT BEING IN THE WATER, IT'S ALSO MORE BENEFICIAL FOR HIM AND POTENTIAL NEIGHBORS AS WHEN IT IS AND WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR BOAT JUST NORMALLY MOORED INTO THE WATER LIKE THAT. ANY POTENTIAL STRONG WINDS, AS WE ALL KNOW IN FLORIDA, COULD RIP OUT A PILING OR WHATEVER IT IS. AND NOW YOUR BOATS DOWN THE CREEK HITTING OTHER BOATS AND VESSELS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO WITH IT BEING ON A BOAT LIFT, IT IS WAY MORE, WAY MORE STRUCTURALLY SOUND AS THE PILES THAT WILL BE GOING IN WILL BE BRAND NEW PILES SET TO THIS NORMAL STANDARD IN WHICH WE USUALLY BUILD OUR PILES AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S A LOT MORE STRUCTURALLY SOUND. IT'S A LOT SAFER FOR THE NEIGHBORS WITHOUT JEOPARDIZING OR BASICALLY IT'S THE MOST MINIMALISTIC, ENVIRONMENTAL, STRUCTURAL AND JUST EVERYTHING DESIGN THAT WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO THAT SATISFIES BOTH THE CITY, THE NEIGHBORS, AND THE OWNER. ANY QUESTIONS? AND WITH THAT, THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. NO PROBLEM. AND COUNCIL. YES, COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ, THE YELLOW BOXED PARCEL OF PROPERTY IS THE ONE THAT YOU'RE REFERENCING. YES. SO YOU'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING SO ON THIS ONE, IF YOU SEE THE ONE THAT'S RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU NOW THE PETITIONS PROPERTY IS RIGHT THERE ON THE BOTTOM LEFT. THAT IS THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION AND THE CURRENT HOUSE AS IT STANDS. SO HE'S CURRENTLY GOT A AUDI DECK. YES. INSTEAD OF A DECK. SO WE'VE GOT IMMEDIATELY TO THE ADJACENT ANGLES TO THE UP AND OVER. YOU'VE GOT ALL PROTRUDING DOCKS. AND ONLY WHEN YOU GET TO THAT PROPERTY, WHICH HAS AN AUDI NEXT TO HAVE MINIS. YES. IS THAT OF STRATEGIC DESIGN. SO BASICALLY FOR AT THE TIME, YES. WITH IT BEING PERPENDICULAR TO THE SHORELINE, LIKE I SAID, IF YOU WERE TO PUT, SAY, JUST THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH, IF YOU WERE TO PUT IT PARALLEL TO THE SHORELINE WITH STOOL MEETING SETBACK REQUIREMENTS ON EACH SIDE, YOU WOULD HAVE A VERY, VERY RESTRICTED, MAYBE TEN FEET BE ABLE TO PUT AN ACTUAL DOCK. SO WHEN IT COMES TO PUTTING IN A BOAT THERE, YOUR INGRESS AND EGRESS OF GETTING IN AND OUT WOULD BE POTENTIALLY VERY DIFFICULT UNLESS YOU HAVE CERTAIN BOATS THAT HAVE THESE THINGS CALLED BOW THRUSTERS, IN 
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WHICH YOU CAN GO COMPLETELY SIDEWAYS. BUT TO HAVE THAT ON A BOAT, IT'S USUALLY A BIGGER VESSEL. SO IT WOULD BASICALLY MOST PEOPLE BUYING THEIR PROPERTIES HERE EXPECTING WATERWAY ACCESS WOULD BE BASICALLY JUST PURCHASING AN OBSERVATION DECK, NOT REALLY A DOCK BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PUT ANY BOATS THERE PARALLEL TO THE SHORELINE. WERE THERE ANY COMMUNICATIONS FROM EITHER SIDE OF THE NEIGHBORS? YES. SO WE IN THE ORIGINAL PAB, WE HAD CURRENT SEVERAL NEIGHBORS THAT WROTE IN LETTERS, SPECIFICALLY BOTH NEIGHBORS, THE NORTH AND THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SOUTH WROTE IN LETTERS SUGGESTING AND APPROVING OF THIS DESIGN. WE HAD THEM SEND OUT. WE HAD THE NEIGHBOR GO OUT, AND WE ALSO SENT OUT LETTERS SPECIFICALLY LETTING THEM KNOW THAT WE ARE POTENTIALLY DOING THIS. THIS IS BEFORE WE EVEN STARTED PUTTING IN THE PETITION THAT WE ARE DOING THIS. THIS IS THE DESIGN THAT'S GOING TO BE GOING IN. IF YOU WOULD SUPPORT, PLEASE, YOU KNOW, SIGN AND SAY THAT YOU'RE GOOD TO GO WITH THIS. WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY IS ON BOARD BEFORE WE EVEN APPLY AND BRING THIS INTO THE PAB AND NOW THE CITY COUNCIL TO MAKE SURE. AND ONE FINAL COMMENT OR QUESTION, EXCUSE ME, IS THE THE PROPERTY ITSELF, WHAT IS THE COST TO MAKE THIS ADJUSTMENT FOR THE HOMEOWNER? THE TO JUST ADD THE BOATLIFT. YES, SIR. JUST THE COST FOR THE BOATLIFT ITSELF POTENTIALLY HAS A BOAT ALREADY. YOU SAID IT'S ALREADY IN THE WATER. YEAH YEAH YEAH. HE ALREADY HAS THE BOAT IN THE WATER. SO TO ADD THE LIFT, IT WOULD ONLY PROBABLY MOST LIKELY BE ABOUT PROBABLY TEN PLUS THOUSAND DOLLARS TO ADD THE LIFT ON THERE, RATHER THAN TO COMPLETELY DEMO AND REDESIGN THE DOCK, WHICH YOU WOULD HAVE A SURPLUS. MORE AMOUNT OF THAT. 
          THANK YOU. NO PROBLEM. THANK YOU. COUNCIL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONERS AGENT? YES, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE SURVEY AND OBVIOUSLY ENCROACHES INTO THE I GUESS THAT'S STATE OWNED PROPERTY WHERE, WHERE THE DOCK IS ON THE THE BOTTOM WATERS. YEAH. YES. 
          SO IT'S THE STATE. OKAY. AND IS THERE ANY. ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW OR ANYTHING THAT WAS NECESSARILY DONE ON STATE PROPERTY THAT. SO ON THIS EXEMPTION FOR THIS SPECIFIC PROPERTY, THE DEP YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT LIKE THE. YEAH. SO THE DEP THIS IS CONSIDERED AN EXEMPT ACTIVITY. IT IS A DOCK THAT IS LESS THAN 1000FT■!S WITH ONLY ONE SPECIFIC LIFT ON A RESIDENTIAL SINGLE FAMILY HOME. SO THAT WOULD BE EXEMPT ACTIVITY WHICH YOU WOULD APPLY FOR A SELF EXEMPTION. IT WOULD NOT NEED ANY REVIEWS. THEY WOULD LITERALLY JUST YOU WOULD APPLY AND THE PERMIT WOULD BE SELF APPOINTED TO YOU BASED ON THE CONDITIONS OF THE PROPERTY, BASED ON THEIR DATABASES ITSELF. OKAY, OKAY. BECAUSE THE WAY THE SURVEY READS YOUR DOCK IS SUPPOSED TO BE LATERALS, NOT SUPPOSED TO BE, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP IT ON YOUR PROPERTY, NOT NOT JUTTING OUT LIKE THAT. I SEE THE NEIGHBORS HAVE THE SAME. YEAH, EXACT SAME, SAME PROBLEM THAT THIS THIS OWNER HAS. YES, SIR. THEY'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW. YEAH. YEAH. 
          UNFORTUNATELY HE'S JUST I CAN SEE WHY THEY'RE FOR IT. SO HE'S JUST THE LAST ONE UNFORTUNATELY TO GET ON BOARD. YEAH YEAH YEAH. OKAY. I MEAN WHEN HE BOUGHT IT DIDN'T HE REALIZE WHEN HE BOUGHT IT. YOU HAVE A SURVEY DONE. AND DIDN'T YOU REALIZE THAT THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE? OH, WELL, WHEN TYPICALLY WHEN MOST PEOPLE BUY YOU LOOKING AT THE HOUSE AND ALL THE HOUSE RULES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. NOT NECESSARILY. IF YOU SEE A DOCK IN THE BACK AND YOU'RE JUST LIKE, OH, THERE'S A DOCK, FIRST THING YOU CHECK IS THAT THE DOCK PERMITTED? YES. I'LL BE LIKE, ALL RIGHT, WELL, IF IT'S ALREADY PERMITTED STRUCTURE, IF I'M ADDING A LIFT TO IT, IT'S ALREADY INSIDE BASICALLY THE STREET RESTRAINT. SO IF YOU LOOK ON THIS PICTURE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU CAN SEE MOORING PILES ALREADY OUT THERE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE DOG. 
          SO AS AN OWNER, YOU WOULD SEE A MOORING PILE WHERE YOU CAN MORE YOUR BOAT ON THE LEFT SIDE AND THEN YOUR DOCK, YOUR NORMAL BOAT WHERE YOU'D BE ABLE TO FIT IT INSIDE AND JUST TIE IT OFF SO YOU WOULDN'T SEE WHY THERE WOULD BE ANY REASONS WHY YOU COULDN'T ADD A LIFT ALREADY IN THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT. SO THIS UNFORTUNATELY, WAS SOMETHING THAT HE DID NOT KNOW THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM UNTIL HE APPLIED FOR THE PERMIT. AND THEN THEY GOT KICKED BACK SAYING THIS IS NON-CONFORMING DOCK. SO HE'S JUST LIKE, ALL RIGHT, I'M JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND MAKE IT AND DO EXACTLY WHAT I NEED TO DO TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CITY IS OKAY WITH IT AND WE'RE OKAY WITH IT, AND MAKE SURE THAT THIS PROBLEM DOES NOT GO ON TO ANYBODY IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO HE'S WILLING TO HE'S BASICALLY DOING ALL THE FINANCIAL AND THE CURRENT CORRECT WAYS OF GETTING IT DONE PROPERLY, JUST SO THIS PROBLEM DOESN'T INVOLVE, JUST IN CASE HE SELLS THE HOUSE OF THE FUTURE, NO ONE HAS TO INHERIT THIS PROBLEM. OKAY, SO ANY ANY CLOSING ATTORNEY'S GOING TO TELL YOU THAT'S THAT'S A PROBLEM. I MEAN, WHEN YOU BUY IT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GOING TO ALERT YOU TO THE FACT THAT IT'S OFF THE SURVEY, IT'S OFF YOUR LAND. BUT I UNDERSTAND ONE LEGAL QUESTION THAT I MEAN, WE PASSED, WE SANG REALLY 
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PRECEDENTS FOR ALL THE NEIGHBORS TO KIND OF DO THE SAME THING OR WE, YOU KNOW, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. BUT NO, EVERY VARIANCE IS TREATED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS BECAUSE EVERY VARIANCE APPLICATION MUST MEET THE CRITERIA IN ORDER FOR YOU TO APPROVE IT. AND I WILL SAY WITH DOCKS AND WITH SUBMERGED LAND, I DON'T KNOW IF A DOCK THAT'S NOT ON STATE PROPERTY. GENERALLY SPEAKING, JUST BECAUSE ALL SUBMERGED LAND IS OWNED BY THE STATE. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION DIRECTLY, NO, YOU ARE NOT SETTING A PRECEDENT. EVERY VARIANCE REQUESTED IS OPERATED ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. YEAH, WELL, A LOT OF THE LOT LINES GO INTO THE WATER. SO THEY'RE NOT ON STATE LAND. SO CORRECT. MAYBE NOT IN THE PEARL HARBOR AND SOME OF THESE PARTS OF RURAL HARBOR, BUT MOST OF THEM DO HAVE IT. IT'S AN INTERESTING CONCEPT THAT I THAT WE DEAL WITH A LOT, WHICH IS TECHNICALLY YOUR LOT ENDS. BUT THEN THERE'S THIS CONCEPT OF RIPARIAN RIGHTS, WHICH EXTEND BEYOND WHICH THE CITY DOESN'T NORMALLY TAKE A POSITION ON JUST BECAUSE IT'S USUALLY SOMETHING THAT HAPPENS IN COURT BECAUSE IT'S PEOPLE THINK THAT IT'S JUST LOOKING DIRECTLY OUT YOUR PROPERTY LINE. BUT THAT'S NOT ESSENTIALLY HOW RIPARIAN RIGHTS WORK AT TIMES. SO YEAH, HOPEFULLY THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. I MEAN, IT FLARES OUT THERE. SO AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, NAVIGABLE ISSUES, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A WIDE ENOUGH MARGIN OF ERROR. IS THERE IS THERE ADEQUATE DEPTH IN THAT AREA FOR TWO BOATS TO PASS AT THE SAME TIME? YES. SO YEAH, SO THERE'S, THERE'S PLENTY OF SPACE FOR THE BAY IN THE BAY AREA THERE FOR BOATS TO COME IN AND OUT PROPERLY. OKAY, GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER. I MEAN, BLANKENSHIP, VICE MAYOR, THANK YOU. IT'S INTERESTING THE PHOTO THAT WAS CHOSEN FOR THE SLIDES REALLY FOCUSES ON THE THREE PROPERTIES TO THE RIGHT OF IT. BUT WHEN I LOOK AT A SATELLITE PHOTO THAT'S MORE EXPANDED AND LOOK AT THE HOMES TO THE LEFT OF THE PROPERTY THAT SEEM TO BE RELATIVELY SIMILAR LOT SIZES, HOME SIZES, THEY WERE ALL ABLE TO BUILD A CODE, WHAT LOOKS LIKE A CODE COMPLIANT DOCK THAT'S PARALLEL TO SHORE WITH A BOAT LIFT, AND ACROSS THE CANAL, SAME, SAME SITUATION. SO DID YOUR CLIENT CONSIDER RECONFIGURING THEIR DOCK TO ADD A TO MAKE IT PARALLEL TO SHORE, WITH A DOCK, WITH A BOAT LIFT SO THAT IT WOULD BE CODE COMPLIANT. YEAH. SO ONCE YOU I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE WITH THE LOWER ONES AS WELL. SO ONCE YOU GET INTO THE HOUSES SOUTH OF MY CLIENT'S HOUSE, THOSE PROPERTIES ARE A LOT MORE RECTANGULAR. SO WHEN YOU GO INTO YOUR RIPARIAN LINES, IT'S NO LONGER PIE SHAPE. YOU'RE OUT BECAUSE BECAUSE YOU GOT TO THINK ABOUT WHEN I MEAN PIE SHAPE IN TERMS OF YOUR LOT LINES GO IN TOWARDS THE REAR AND THEN YOUR RIPARIAN LINES GO EVEN FURTHER IN. SO IT'S EVEN FURTHER DEFICIT FROM YOUR SETBACKS WITHIN THOSE AREAS. THAT'S WHY YOU COULD TELL BACK IN THE DAYS WHEN THEY PERMITTED THESE SPECIFICALLY IN THESE BAILOUTS, A LOT OF THEM HAD TO COME DIRECTLY IN BECAUSE YOUR LOT SIZES DO GET VERY, VERY SMALL. NOW, WHEN WE TRY TO RECONFIGURE THAT DOCK, POTENTIALLY TO DO A REDESIGN WITH THAT DOCK, WHEN YOU HAVE THE. THE, IF I CAN. THE SIZE OF THE OWNER'S BOAT ITSELF AND THE AMOUNT OF SPACE HE WOULD HAVE TO COME IN AND OUT WOULD BE RESTRICTED IN THAT AREA, ESPECIALLY WITH THE CURRENT CONFIGURATIONS OF THE DOCKS TO THE NORTH COMING IN OUT, BECAUSE THAT'S THE SIDE THAT BASICALLY WITH THAT CANAL THAT HE'D BE COMING IN OUT OF, WITH EVERYTHING PROTRUDING STRAIGHT OUT LIKE THAT, IT BECOMES DIFFICULT COMING IN AND OUT. IF HE WERE TO GO PARALLEL TO THE SHORELINE. OKAY, THANKS FOR THE EXPLANATION. IT DOESN'T LOOK THAT WAY TO ME WHEN I LOOK AT THE MAP, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALSO RECTANGULAR PROPERTY, LIKE THE ONES TO THE LEFT. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WEST OR SOUTH, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE ONE COULD BE BUILT. I'LL ASK STAFF THEIR OPINION, BUT IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE A CODE COMPLIANT DOCK AND BOATLIFT COULD BE BUILT, BUT I'LL WAIT UNTIL IT'S THEIR TURN. 
          THANKS. OKAY, FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE PETITIONERS AGENT? IF NOT, THANK YOU. AND WE'LL GO TO THE STAFF REPORT. GOOD MORNING, MADAM MAYOR AND COUNCIL, JEFF BREHMER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. PETITIONER IS REQUESTING APPROVAL OF A VARIANCE TO ALLOW AN EXISTING BOAT DOCK AND A NEW BOAT LIFT TO EXCEED THE REQUIRED SHORE. NORMAL DIMENSION LIMITATION LIMITATIONS FOR PROPERTIES AND ROYAL HARBOR ROYAL HARBOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS A SINGLE 
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FAMILY RESIDENCE LOCATED ON AN INTERIOR CANAL AND WATERWAY IN THE ROYAL HARBOR NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          FOR BACKGROUND, THE PREVIOUS OWNERS CONSTRUCTED A BOAT DOCK IN THE BACKYARD IN 2004 FOR PERSONAL USE. THE CITY PERMITTED THAT PROJECT IN FEBRUARY 2004 AND ISSUED A CERTIFICATE OF COMPLETION IN APRIL OF 2004. THE DOCK IS APPROXIMATELY FIVE FEET WIDE AND 44FT LONG OVER THE WATER. THE DOCK THAT DOCK HAS REMAINED EVER SINCE. PURSUANT TO CODE, RESIDENCES IN ROYAL HARBOR HAVE SPECIFIC STANDARDS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF BOAT DOCKS. 
          REGULATIONS RELEVANT TO THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY ARE THOSE DESCRIBED FOR INTERIOR CANALS AND WATERWAYS, SPECIFICALLY, THE SHORE NORMAL DIMENSION FOR A PIER SHALL NOT EXCEED THE PLATTED PROPERTY LINE, SAID LINE BEING FIVE FEET OFF SHORE FROM THE PLATTED SEAWALL. 
          ESSENTIALLY, WHAT THIS MEANS IS THE DOCK AND THE PIER SHOULD EXTEND NO FARTHER THAN FIVE FEET OUT INTO THE WATER. INSTEAD, IT SHOULD REALLY RUN PARALLEL TO THE SHORELINE WITHIN THE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES. WHEN YOU LOOK AT ROYAL HARBOR FROM THE AIR, YOU SEE DREDGE AND FILL FINGER LIKE DEVELOPMENT WITH NARROW CANALS. THE PURPOSE OF THESE REGULATIONS IS TO KEEP THOSE WATERWAYS OPEN FOR BOAT TRAFFIC, WITH DOCKS AVAILABLE ON BOTH SIDES. TECHNICALLY, THIS PROPERTY LOCATED ON AN INTERIOR WATERWAY, SHOULD HAVE BEEN SUBJECT TO THOSE REQUIREMENTS. IT'S NOT IMMEDIATELY CLEAR TO STAFF STAFF HOW THE DOCK IN THIS CONFIGURATION WAS APPROVED AND PERMITTED, BUT IN THE EARLY 2000, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT DID NOT REVIEW MARINE PERMITS. THIS WAS HANDLED BY THE BUILDING AND NATURAL RESOURCES DEPARTMENTS. TODAY, PLANNING REVIEWS ALL MARINE PERMITS CITYWIDE FOR ZONING COMPLIANCE. 
          IT'S ALSO WORTH NOTING THAT WHEN THIS DOCK WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 2004, THREE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS TO THE NORTH ALREADY HAD DOCKS WITH SIMILAR CONFIGURATIONS, AND EACH OF THESE DOCKS ALSO HAD BOAT LIFTS. FAST FORWARD SEVERAL YEARS, THE PREVIOUS RESIDENTS HAS BEEN DEMOLISHED. THERE'S A NEW OWNER. THEY CONSTRUCTED A NEW SINGLE FAMILY HOME IN 2022. THE SEAWALL HAS BEEN REPAIRED, THE DOCK HAS BEEN REDACTED, AND THE EXISTING FOOTPRINT THAT PERMIT WAS APPROVED. SINCE THERE WAS NO CHANGE OR ADDITIONS TO THE FOOTPRINT OF THE STRUCTURE, IT WAS ESSENTIALLY LIKE KIND REPAIRS. LAST YEAR, THE NEW OWNER APPLIED FOR A PERMIT TO INSTALL A BOAT LIFT ON THE EXISTING DOCK. THIS WOULD CONSTITUTE AN EXPANSION OF A NON COMPLIANT DOCK. THE PERMIT WAS REJECTED. THE OWNER FILED A VARIANCE APPLICATION AND THAT'S WHERE WE ARE TODAY. THE PURPOSE OF THE PETITION IS TO MEMORIALIZE THE EXISTING DOCK AND PIER IN ITS CURRENT CONFIGURATION, AND TO ALLOW THE ADDITION OF A NEW BOAT LIFT. 
          PER THE PLANS, THE DOCK AND THE PIER EXTEND APPROXIMATELY 44FT OVER THE WATER. THE PROPOSED BOAT LIFT WILL BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE PIER PROTRUSION, WITH A MAXIMUM PILING PROTRUSION OF APPROXIMATELY 33FT OVER THE WATER. THE BOW TO STERN MEASUREMENT WILL NOT EXCEED THE LENGTH OF THE PIER. THERE ARE SOME MITIGATING FACTORS THAT YOU HEARD ABOUT FROM THE PETITIONER. FIRST, THE OWNER HAS NO CULPABILITY FOR THE EXISTING NONCOMPLIANT STRUCTURE, AND FURTHERMORE, THE CITY DID PERMIT AND ISSUE A CEO FOR THE PROJECT AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION. ADDITIONALLY, THREE IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORS HAVE DOCKS WITH SIMILAR CONFIGURATIONS, EACH WITH A BOAT LIFT, AND FINALLY, CONSIDERING SAFETY AND FEASIBILITY. THE CANAL IN THIS AREA IS ESPECIALLY WIDE. IT'S NOT A NARROW PASSAGE THAT IS SEEN THROUGHOUT MUCH OF THE SURROUNDING DEVELOPMENT. THE PETITION WAS NOTICED TO ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 1000FT. TO DATE, STAFF HAS RECEIVED TWO LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM NEIGHBORS. AS THE PETITIONER MENTIONED, THEY ALSO REACHED OUT BEFORE THEY FILED THE APPLICATION TO THEIR NEIGHBORS TO MAKE THEM AWARE OF THE PROJECT AND RECEIVE, YOU KNOW, THEIR BLESSING FOR IT. THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD HEARD THIS PETITION DURING ITS APRIL 8TH MEETING BY UNANIMOUS VOTE OF SEVEN TO NOTHING, THE PAB RECOMMENDED APPROVAL TO COUNCIL, SUBJECT TO THREE CONDITIONS. SHOULD COUNCIL CHOOSE TO APPROVE THE PROJECT, STAFF AND PAB WOULD RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. NUMBER ONE, THE VARIANCE IS APPLICABLE ONLY TO THE DOCK AND BOAT LIFT AND SHALL NOT APPLY TO ADDITIONS OR THE RECONSTRUCTION OF A NEW DOCK OR BOAT LIFT, OR ANY OTHER WATER WORD IMPROVEMENTS ON THE PROPERTY. 
          NUMBER TWO SHOULD THE EXISTING NON-COMPLIANT DOCK BE DEMOLISHED, EVEN FOR A BRIEF PERIOD, THIS APPROVAL DISSOLVES AND THE OWNER MUST OBTAIN VARIANCE APPROVAL TO BUILD ACCORDING TO THE PROPOSED PLANS, OR THE NEW STRUCTURES MUST BE BUILT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING REGULATIONS OF THE CODE AND CODE OF ORDINANCES IN EFFECT AT THAT TIME. AND NUMBER THREE, THE VESSEL, WHEN DOCKED, SHALL NOT EXTEND BEYOND THE SEAWARD END OF THE DOCK AND PIER AT ANY TIME. THAT CONCLUDES. STAFF COMMENTS WERE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. HOW DO 
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WE ENSURE CONDITION NUMBER TWO, THAT IF IT'S DEMOLISHED, THAT IN FACT THE NEW DOCK WILL COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THE NEW OWNER MUST OBTAIN A VARIANCE OF VARIANCE APPROVAL TO BUILD ACCORDING TO THE PROPOSED PLANS, OR THE STRUCTURES MUST BE BUILT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE ZONING REGULATION. HOW DO WE ENFORCE THAT? IT WOULD BE REVERSED. IT WOULD BE ENFORCED AT THE TIME OF PERMITTING. I MEAN, THE PLAN WOULD COME IN. IT WOULD BE REVIEWED. AND, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WERE TO GO BACK AND TRY TO DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE NON-COMPLIANT, IT WOULD BE REJECTED, AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO ASK FOR A VARIANCE, OR THEY COULD BUILD COMPLIANT IF THEY WERE TO DEMOLISH, DOCK AND PROPOSE TO BUILD A NEW ONE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO GET A BUILDING PERMIT FOR THAT. AND AT THE TIME THAT WE WOULD NOW THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT REVIEWS THAT BUILDING PERMIT, WE WOULD CATCH THAT THIS EXISTS. SO YOU WOULD CATCH THE HISTORY. YEP. 
          THAT THIS EXISTING AND APPLY THAT CONDITION WOULD COMPLY WITH THE CODE. THANK YOU. TO THAT POINT, IF IT'S DAMAGED BY A HURRICANE AND THEY WANT TO JUST REPAIR IT, DO THEY STILL IS. THAT CONDITION WOULD MAKE THEM BRING IT INTO COMPLIANCE. SO IT'S NO LONGER IF A VARIANCE IS GRANTED, IT BECOMES CONFORMING. ESSENTIALLY IT'S NOT A NON-CONFORMING OR NON-COMPLIANT DOC ANYMORE. GRANTING THE VARIANCE MAKES IT A LAWFUL DOC AT THE TIME. SO IF IT'S DESTROYED BY, YOU KNOW, FIRE, FLOOD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT IS A LAWFUL DOC AND THAT COULD BE REBUILT. HOWEVER, IF IT'S ELECTIVELY DEMOLISHED AND REDEVELOPED, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH THE CODE. SO THE DOC, WHICH IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE BY ADDING THE LIFT, MAKES IT COMPLIANT. NO, IF IF COUNCIL IS TO GRANT THE VARIANCE TODAY, THAT MAKES IT COMPLIANT. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT I'M I'M SORRY. CURRENTLY IT'S NON-COMPLIANT. MISSING PIECE THERE. YEAH. IT'S IT'S THE APPROVAL FROM COUNCIL TODAY WOULD MAKE IT A COMPLIANT DOC. 
          NOT COMPLIANT WITH CODE BUT COMPLIANT WITH THE VARIANCE THAT IS GRANTED WHICH WOULD MAKE IT LAWFUL. AND THEN THEY COULD REPAIR IT ONLY IF IT WAS WHAT WE CALL THE ACT OF GOD FIRE, FLOOD, HURRICANE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER, THANKS. I SHOULD ASK YOU THIS IN ADVANCE. WHAT I'M ABOUT TO ASK YOU. SORRY. IT JUST OCCURRED TO ME THAT WE'VE GOT SOME NEW MEMBERS THAT MAYBE YOU AND I HAVE DUG A LOT INTO DOCS IN THE LAST YEAR. YEP. MR. BRAM, A GREAT JOB, BY THE WAY. I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY DOCS. I'VE NEVER ASKED THIS. HOW MANY DOCS WE HAVE IN THE CITY OF NAPLES. IS THERE A BALLPARK GUESS FROM ANYONE? ROUGHLY THE SAME NUMBER AS WATERFRONT PROPERTIES WE HAVE IN THE CITY. THOUSANDS. YES, SIR. OF THOSE, YOU GUYS GIVE ME A BALLPARK. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT, BUT I'LL. JUST FOR THE RECORD, HOW MANY PERMITTED NON-CONFORMING DOCS ARE THERE AMONGST THOSE THOUSANDS? I DON'T HAVE A GUESSTIMATE FOR YOU. THERE ARE SOME. YEAH, THERE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF DOCS. A LOT OUT THERE. 
          YEAH. YEAH. WHICH IS THE PROBLEM WE GOT INTO. WE LOOK AT EACH NEIGHBORHOOD AND YOU'RE LIKE, OH MY GOODNESS, WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A, YOU KNOW, A, A BROAD STROKE TO MAKE POLICY ON THEM. IT IS IT'S DIFFICULT. YEAH. SO I JUST MENTIONED THAT THAT JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE SO MANY THAT ARE IN THIS CONDITION THAT ARE PERMITTED NON-CONFORMING DOCS, IT'S ONE OF THE MORE COMMON VARIANCES YOU'LL SEE, BY THE WAY. IT IS SMALLER. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S SIGNIFICANT ENOUGH. AND YOU KNOW, SOME OF US HAVE HAD BOATS OR HAVE BOATS. AND YOU YOU THINK ABOUT HOW YOU NAVIGATE THAT THING AND OR WHO'S DRIVING IT OR WHATEVER. BUT SO I WENT BACK AND FORTH ON THIS A BUNCH. SO MY, MY QUESTION FOR Y'ALL IS ADDING THE LIFT IS, DOES IT, IS THERE ANY SIGNIFICANT, LIKE IF THE BOATS GOING TO SIT WHERE THE BOAT WAS GOING TO SIT, IT'S JUST LIFTED, IT WON'T INTERFERE MORE WITH NAVIGABILITY OR USE OF THAT WATERWAY BECAUSE THE DOCK ALREADY EXTENDS OUT TO WHERE THAT IS. IT IS TOUGH WHEN YOU GET INTO THESE KIND OF COVE TYPE CONFIGURATIONS, WHERE YOU HAVE THE PIE SHAPED LOTS THAT COME IN BECAUSE YOU ALMOST HAVE TO CONTINUE A PATTERN OF OF ORIENTATION OF THE DOCKS. OTHERWISE, I MEAN, YOU COULDN'T IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, THE AERIAL OF ALL THE DOCKS THERE, IF YOU PICKED THE MIDDLE ONE AND SAID, WELL, NOW YOU HAVE TO COME IN PERPENDICULAR. AND HE'S GOT PEOPLE ON EITHER SIDE, YOU KNOW, COME IN PARALLEL. SO IT, I MEAN, I CAN SEE THIS ONE IS ON THE OUTSIDE, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, IT'S 
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KIND OF THE BRIDGE BETWEEN THE PERPENDICULAR CONFIGURATION AND THE PARALLEL. SO I MEAN, WHETHER THEY COULD NAVIGATE THAT, I DON'T KNOW. I AM NOT THE CAPTAIN OF THAT BOAT THAT THEY HAVE. BUT MY THING IS THAT BOATS GOING TO PARK IN THAT ORIENTATION ANYWAY. THE ONLY QUESTION IS ARE WE GOING TO ALLOW IT TO BE LIFTED OR NOT? RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO. AND IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE PIE SHAPE, I DON'T THINK WE'D BE, YOU KNOW, IF THIS WAS LIKE THE ONES TO THE SOUTH OF THEM, WE WOULDN'T BE HAVING THE CONVERSATION ANYWAY. WE DO HAVE A REGULATION BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T. I MEAN, WE DID A LOT OF RESEARCH ON THIS, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THESE WERE PERMITTED ORIGINALLY. THERE IS AN EXCEPTION SECTION IN YOUR CODE THAT DOES ALLOW FOR CONSIDERATION OF THE FACT THAT NUMEROUS CANALS AND WATERWAYS HAVE UNDULATED, NOT UNDULATING NON-PARALLEL SHORELINES AND DEAD END AREAS WHERE PLATTED. 
          LOTS OF MINIMAL WATERFRONT FOOTAGE, EXCEPTIONS TO THE SIDE YARD SETBACK OR SHORE NORMAL DIMENSION MAY BE GRANTED. THAT MIGHT BE AN EXPLANATION FOR HOW THESE DOCKS ON THESE MORE PIE SHAPED LOTS WERE APPROVED. OR MAYBE, YOU KNOW AT THE TIME, WHOEVER REVIEWED THIS PERMIT LOOKED AT THIS AND SAID, THIS ISN'T A NARROW CANAL AND APPLIED THE REGULATIONS TO DOCKS ON THE NAPLES BAY, THE MORE OPEN WATERWAY. SO WE DON'T KNOW. BUT I MEAN, THAT WAS THE NEXT I WAS GOING TO SAY THERE ARE OTHER AREAS OF THE CITY WHERE THIS WOULD BE 100% APPROVED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD IF THESE IF THESE PROPERTIES WERE FACING NAPLES BAY, THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED. RIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANY COMMUNICATION IN OPPOSITION TO THIS FROM ANY NEIGHBORS? NO, SIR. OKAY. AND JUST FOR THE PUBLIC, WE WE ALL KNOW THIS BECAUSE WE READ THE MEMO, BUT PAB VOTED UNANIMOUSLY TO APPROVE THIS. CORRECT. AND PART OF MY MY PERSONAL PROCESS HERE, AND IT'S I, I MADE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR TO ANYBODY THAT TALKS TO ME ABOUT HOW I WAS GOING TO SPEND MY TIME UP HERE ON THIS DAIS, WHICH WAS THAT I WAS GOING TO TAKE A VERY PRAGMATIC, PRACTICAL AND COMMONSENSICAL APPROACH TO DECISION MAKING. 
          WITH THAT SAID, BECAUSE OF THE PIE SHAPED LOT HERE, THIS CONFIGURATION IS MUCH MORE LOGICAL THAN A PARALLEL CONFIGURATION. A DOCKING CONFIGURATION ON THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY. AND IN FACT, THE, THE ABILITY, THE, THE, THE PROCESS OF NAVIGATING TO A PARALLEL SPOT HERE WOULD BECOME A LOT MORE CUMBERSOME WITH THE NEIGHBORS THAN IT WOULD BE WITH THE PARTICULAR. I'M WITH THE PERPENDICULAR APPROACH TO PUTTING IT ON A LIFT AND WOULD BE WOULD BE HAVE MUCH MORE OF AN EFFECT TO THE NEIGHBORS ON EITHER SIDE. IF YOU HAD TO COME IN THERE AND SWING THE BOAT AROUND AND TRY TO PUT IT ON A, ON A LIFT PARALLEL, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY, KEEP IN MIND THAT FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT AREN'T USED TO BOATING, IF YOU PUT THE PARALLEL BUILD NEW DOCK HERE, YOU MAKE THE PARALLEL DOCK TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND YOU PUT A LIFT IN THERE. YOU DON'T YOU CAN'T SLIDE IT ON TO THE LIFT. YOU HAVE TO COME TO THE END OF THE LIFT AND BRING IT ON, WHICH MEANS YOU'RE PUTTING YOUR STERN OVER HERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE BECAUSE OF THE PIE SHAPED LOT. SO AGAIN, THIS IS THIS IS THE LOGICAL THING TO DO HERE FROM A CONFIGURATION STANDPOINT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A STANDARD SIZE CANAL. IF YOU LOOK AT THESE PHOTOS, WE'RE WE'RE ON A BASIN HERE. SO THE WIDTH OF THE WATERWAY MAKES IT AGAIN, THE THE LOGICAL WAY TO DO THIS WOULD BE TO GRANT A VARIANCE SO THAT THEY COULD PUT THIS THIS PERPENDICULAR DOCKING METHODOLOGY IN PLACE AND NOT HAVE THE PARALLEL. SO AGAIN, I'M GOING TO I'M GOING TO ALLOW MY MY INFINITE WISDOM TO TAKE OVER AND, AND MY LOGICAL MIND TO SAY, HEY, THIS MAKES SENSE AND LET'S, LET'S MOVE ON WITH OUR LIVES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. 
          I COUNCIL MEMBER. YEAH, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THE WAY THE HOW THE YOU KNOW, IT'S A PERMITTED DOCK AND STANDARD, BUT PHILOSOPHICALLY FOR A NONCONFORMING SITUATION, WHY ARE WE ALLOWING IMPROVEMENTS ON FROM A PLANNING PLAN POINT. WHY? WHY ARE THEY ALLOWING IMPROVEMENTS ON NONCONFORMING FIXTURES THAT ARE THERE. I MEAN, WHY ARE WE WHY ARE WE ALLOWING THAT OTHER THAN THIS, YOU KNOW, DOCK CAN STAY, BUT WHY ARE WE ALLOWING FURTHER ADDED FEATURES TO IT? THAT'S WHY THEY'RE HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY. WE WE REJECTED. WHY ARE YOU RECOMMENDING THAT WE REJECT IT. SO WE REJECTED THE REQUEST FOR THEM TO DO IT BY. RIGHT. SO AND TOLD THEM THAT IN ORDER TO MAKE THESE IMPROVEMENTS TO A NON COMPLIANT DOCK, THEY HAVE TO SUBMIT THE VARIANCE. WHICH IS BEFORE YOU TODAY. SO WE'RE NOT MAKING A RECOMMENDATION. WE'RE JUST GIVING YOU OUR FINDINGS THAT IT WAS CONSISTENT WITH THE CRITERIA. OKAY GREAT. THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT. THANK YOU. I HEAR WHAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING. I GUESS I JUST HAVE A LITTLE 
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DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. I CERTAINLY THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE ARE A LOT OF CASES WHERE YOU HAVE TO BE MORE FORGIVING WITH HOW DOCKS ARE BUILT IN THE CANALS AND THE BAY AND EVERYTHING. I JUST DON'T THINK THIS IS ONE OF THOSE, BECAUSE WHEN I ZOOM OUT THE MAP, IT DOESN'T LOOK TO BE A PIE SHAPED LOT TO ME. THE ONES TO THE NORTH OR TO THE RIGHT OF IT ARE THAT HAVE THAT CONFIGURATION, BUT THE ONES AROUND IT AND ACROSS FROM IT ARE NOT. AND THEY ALL SEEM TO HAVE THE PARALLEL DOCK AND BOAT LIFT AND CAN ACCESS IT JUST FINE. I AM SYMPATHETIC TO KEEPING THE DOCK. IF THE CITY DID APPROVE IT AND DID PERMIT IT, AND DID EFFECTIVELY AUTHORIZE IT SEVERAL YEARS AGO, SO IT'S NOT THIS OWNER'S FAULT THAT THE DOCK WAS THERE AND WAS APPROVED BY THE CITY. HOWEVER, I'M NOT REALLY IN FAVOR OF ADDING A BOAT LIFT BECAUSE IT'S LIKE TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE A RIGHT. IN MY MIND, APPROVING AN EXPANSION OF THIS VARIANCE. ALTHOUGH I. I'M SYMPATHETIC TO THE REQUEST. I JUST DON'T THINK IT MEETS THE VARIANCE CRITERIA WE HAVE. AND YOU KNOW, THE HOME WAS REBUILT RECENTLY. THE DOCK COULD HAVE BEEN REBUILT RECENTLY TO BE COMPLIANT. IT STILL COULD. IF A BOAT LIFT IS REALLY THAT IMPORTANT. SO I I'M OKAY WITH KEEPING THE DOCK APPROVING A VARIANCE FOR THE DOCK AS IS, BUT NOT FOR ADDING THE BOAT LIFT. BECAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO BE NECESSARY TO ME. AND IT DOESN'T SEEM TO MEET THE VARIANCE CRITERIA, SPECIFICALLY A ONE AND A SEVEN OR ANY OF THE ONES IN SECTION B, ONE, TWO, 3 OR 4. SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE VARIANCE CRITERIA, THE REQUEST FOR THE BOAT LIFT TO ME IN MY JUDGMENT JUST DOESN'T MEET THOSE CRITERIA. SO YES, I DIDN'T GO FIRST. JUST CLARIFICATION. VICE MAYOR JUST SAID THAT HE'S OKAY WITH ALLOWING A VARIANCE FOR THE DOCK TO STAY IN PLACE WITHOUT THE LIFT. JUST FOR CLARITY, THAT'S THAT'S THE CASE. NO MATTER WHAT THE DOCK GETS TO STAY IN, IT'S ALREADY A PERMITTED NON-CONFORMING. WELL IT'S NON COMPLIANT SO IT DOESN'T. WE'VE NEVER GONE IN AND SAID OH THE CITY MESSED UP. NOW YOU HAVE TO TEAR YOUR DOCK OUT. BUT IT DOES PREVENT US FROM ISSUING PERMITS FOR, YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE REPAIR. NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT IT IS A PERMITTED NONCONFORMITY ALREADY. AND HE'S GOING TO PARK IT THERE ANYWAY. IT'S AN EXISTING NON COMPLIANT DOCK. WE CAN'T CALL IT A NONCONFORMITY BECAUSE THE DEFINITION OF NONCONFORMITY. 
          OTHERWISE WE'D BE HERE WITH AN EXPANSION OF NONCONFORMITY. THE DEFINITION OF NONCONFORMITY IS THAT IT WAS LAWFUL AT THE TIME OF PERMITTING. AND THEN THE CITY CHANGED A REGULATION THAT MADE IT NON COMPLIANT. SO IN THIS CASE REALLY THE PERMIT WAS ISSUED IN ERROR. SO IT'S BUT IT WAS PERMITTED. SO THEY DID GO THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS. IT WASN'T THEIR ERROR. IT WAS THE CITY'S ERROR. SO WE SCREWED UP THEIR PERMIT. SO IT'S A PERMITTED NON COMPLIANT DOCK. 
          CORRECT. OKAY. THANKS FOR GETTING MY VERNACULAR RIGHT. MY POINT IS THAT BOATS GOING TO PARK THERE REGARDLESS AS LONG AS THAT BOATS THERE NOW. YEAH. OKAY. THANKS. THANK YOU. AND AS A NEW BOAT OWNER, I'M GOING TO WEIGH IN THAT IF. YOU HAVE YOUR BOAT ON A LIFT, IT'S A BIG CONCERN WITH GETTING IT INSURED. SO HIM PUTTING IT ON THE DOCK. HE MENTIONED GOOD REASONS FOR THE PETITIONER'S AGENT, BUT ALSO BEING ABLE TO GET INSURANCE FOR YOUR BOAT, THAT HAVING A LIFT IS A HUGE REASON THAT THEY WOULD GET A LIFT. SO I'M JUST WONDERING BECAUSE I'M GOING THROUGH IT AND I UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, TO ME, THEY HAVE A CHOICE. THEY COULD RECONFIGURE THE DOCK PARALLEL TO THE SHORE LIKE MOST OF THE NEIGHBORS HAVE, AND HAVE A BOAT LIFT. RIGHT? YES. AND YOU COULD ALSO CHOICE, RIGHT? YOU COULD PUT THE EXPENSE IN. THEN YOU COULD HAVE TURBIDITY THROUGH THE WATERWAYS. I MEAN, THERE'S A LOT OF. RIGHT. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR ANALYSIS ON IT. SO THANK YOU. FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO I'D JUST LIKE TO CONCUR WITH THE MAYOR. I'M PRETTY IMPRESSED WITH YOUR NAUTICAL EXPERIENCE. 
          I'VE BEEN VOTING SINCE I WAS 14 YEARS OLD, AND I'VE KEPT IN ALL THE HURRICANES. I'VE KEPT MY BOAT IN THE WATER. I'VE HAD ZERO DAMAGE. YOU KNOW, IT'S HOW YOU ROPE A BOAT AND HOW YOU. 
          BUT YOUR BOAT IS MUCH SAFER IN THE WATER. I'VE SEEN LIFTS COLLAPSE, WATER ACCUMULATING IN IT. BUT I'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, WITH THE BOW. I'VE SEEN MORE DAMAGES WITH LIFTS, BUT I'VE 
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HAD ALL KINDS OF BOATS AND VARIOUS HURRICANES AND INCLUDING IAN. AND I WAS REALLY THAT ONE I WAS REALLY WORRIED ABOUT. BUT I KEPT MY BOAT IN THE WATER BEHIND MY HOUSE AND I CAME BACK. THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH IT. IT WAS JUST FLOATING THERE. AND THAT'S NORMAL. SO I MEAN, IT'S IT'S HOW YOU ROPE IT AND ALL THAT. MOST PEOPLE JUST DON'T. SO YOUR BOAT IS, IS MY OPINION MUCH SAFER IN THE WATER ON THE LIFT? YES. NO FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. I DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT, SIR. WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE YOUR CLOSING REMARKS? JUST IN REGARDS TO JUST THE CONSIDERATION WITH THE DESIGN ASPECT OF IT. I FULLY UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, WHEN WE GO BEFORE WE GO INTO THESE PETITIONS OR STUFF LIKE THAT, WE HAVE ALL OF OUR DESIGNERS LOOK AT EVERY POSSIBLE OPTION IN TERMS OF THAT. WE SPECIFICALLY DID WANT TO AT SOME POINT SEE IF WE CAN FIT A SPECIFIC BOAT PARALLEL TO THE SHORELINE WITH THE CURRENT SETBACKS AND EVERYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'D BE VERY, VERY RESTRICTED TO PUT HIS BOAT PARALLEL TO THE SHORELINE BECAUSE HE DOES HAVE A LOT SMALLER, BASICALLY LOT LINE IN THE BACKSIDE TO PUT TO DESIGN LIKE THAT. AND NOT ONLY THAT, WE'D BE DEMOING A CURRENT DOCK THAT HE CURRENTLY HAS AND THEN PUTTING A BRAND NEW DOCK LIKE THAT, WHICH, AS I STATED BEFORE, ENVIRONMENTALLY WISE, IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S JUST NOT THE SAFEST AND QUICKEST ROUTE, NOT TERMS AND QUICKEST. IT'S JUST NOT THE BEST ROUTE AS COACH, AS MR. KRAMER SAID, WE. THE DOCK IS THERE. CURRENTLY. IT WAS PERMITTED. THE BOAT IS THERE CURRENTLY. EVEN IF THIS WERE TO SAY NOT BE ABLE TO PASS, THE BOAT IS STILL STAYING EXACTLY IN THE SAME AREA. IT'S STILL COMING IN AND OUT, THE EXACT SAME AREA. IT'S JUST MORE OF A IT'S KIND OF, I DON'T WANT TO SAY MAKES SENSE, BUT IT'S VERY, VERY MINIMALISTIC FOR WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE DONE WITH THE PROPERTY FOR A PROBLEM THAT THE OWNER, CURRENTLY THE CURRENT OWNER NECESSARILY INHERITED. THAT'S NOT HIS FAULT. SO HE'S TRYING TO DO IT THE, THE EASIEST WAY AND THE PROPER WAY, WHICH IS LET'S JUST GO THROUGH A VARIANCE, MAKE SURE THAT THE ENTIRE CITY KNOWS EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. ALL THE NEIGHBORS ARE DOING KNOW EVERYTHING WE'RE TRYING TO DO, MAKE SURE EVERYBODY IS GOOD TO GO WITH WHAT I ALREADY HAVE, WITH THE MINIMAL ROUTE THAT WE CAN POSSIBLY GO IN TERMS OF DAMAGING ANYTHING, BOTTOM WATER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, THAT COULD POTENTIALLY BECAUSE I'VE SEEN, AND ESPECIALLY IN MY LINE OF WORK, I'VE SEEN CASES WHERE WE DEMO THE CURRENT CONFIGURATION LIKE THIS, ADD IT PARALLEL TO THE SHORELINE, NOT THIS SPECIFIC ONE. AND THEN THE NEIGHBOR COMPLAINS BECAUSE THE WAY NOW HE COMES IN AND OUT IS CLOSE, WAY CLOSER BECAUSE WE BUILT OUR DOCK A CERTAIN WAY. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE DISPUTES IN BETWEEN NEIGHBORS BECAUSE THEY DON'T LIKE THE WAY YOU COME IN AND OUT NOW, OR WHICH WE ALL KNOW IN NAPLES, FLORIDA, YOU DECIDE 3040 FOOT IS NOT BIG ENOUGH FOR YOU. NOW I WANT A 50 FOOT. AND WE ALL KNOW THAT ALL TOO WELL. AND IT COMES IN AND YOU'RE JUST LIKE, WELL, I CAN'T GET IN AND OUT. IT'S NOT MY PROBLEM. IT'S THE NEIGHBOR'S PROBLEM. IF YOU CAN'T GET IN AND OUT, I CAN GET IN AND OUT PERFECTLY FINE. SO IT'S JUST LIKE I SAID, I, WE WERE TRYING TO DO THE BEST WAY WE CAN BY EVERYBODY, CITY AND OWNER, WITHOUT BASICALLY MAKING IT A BIG HURRAH WITH EVERYBODY ELSE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO TAKE THE BEST, THE BEST WAY, BEST PROCEDURE POSSIBLE, AND GETTING THIS RESOLVED FOR EVERYBODY. THANK YOU. COUNCIL DELIBERATION OR EMOTION? YES. COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER, JUST ONE OTHER THOUGHT ABOUT THIS. WHEN BYRNE MENTIONED WHAT HE SAID, I, WHEN I RAN FOR OFFICE, I AND I'VE I'VE MAINTAINED THIS. IF YOU'RE A DEVELOPER AND YOU WANT A VARIANCE, UNLESS THERE'S A COMPELLING BENEFIT TO THE CITY, IT'S A NO. LIKE THERE'S I AND WE HAVEN'T GIVEN ANY SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. WHEN IT COMES TO OUR CITIZENS, FOLKS THAT PAY TAXES, IF IT IF THERE'S NO DISADVANTAGE TO THE CITY, IF IT DOESN'T ENCUMBER US OR BOTHER ANYTHING THAT WE OWN OR HAVE, IT DOESN'T BOTHER ANY OF THE OTHER CITIZENS. AND IN THIS CASE, IT'D BE A 5050. I UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT THE VICE MAYOR IS COMING FROM, BUT I'M GOING TO HAVE MUCH MORE GRACE FOR THE FOLKS WHO VOTE FOR US PAY TAXES. I'M GONNA HAVE MUCH MORE GRACE FOR THEM. AND WE HAVEN'T GIVEN HARDLY ANY OF THESE EITHER, BY THE WAY. 
          BUT SO IN MY CASE, I SEE BOTH SIDES, I UNDERSTAND POSSIBILITIES, BUT AGAIN, THE COMMON SENSE SIDE IS HE'S ALREADY PARKED IN THERE. LIKE WE'RE LITERALLY TALKING ABOUT 
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LIFTING IT. AND, AND I JUST DON'T SEE, I MEAN, OTHER THAN THIS IS THE LETTER OF THE LAW AND WE'RE GOING TO. WELL, THEN WE WOULD NEVER HAVE A VARIANCE PROCESS. AND, AND SO I THINK THIS IS THE REASON WHY THE VARIANCE PROCESS EXISTS. THANKS. THANK YOU. BARTON. IF YOU WOULD PULL UP THE SURVEY ON YOUR PRESENTATION, I JUST WANT TO POINT OUT HERE FIRST, FIRST AND FOREMOST, IT IS A PIE SHAPED LOT. WE'RE LOOKING AT A PIE SHAPED LOT RIGHT THERE. 
          SECONDLY, IF YOU LOOK AT THE DIMENSIONS OF THE BOAT AND YOU CAN JUST SIMPLY EYEBALL THIS, I DON'T EXPECT ANYBODY TO ZOOM IN AND LOOK AT THE ACTUAL LENGTH OR ANYTHING ELSE. LOOK AT THE DIMENSION OF THE BOAT. YOU CAN SEE THE LENGTH OF IT, AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE THE LENGTH OF THE SHORELINE THERE FOR THE PROPERTY. IF YOU WERE TO TAKE THIS BOAT, THIS SAME SIZE BOAT, AND YOU DECIDED THAT YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE IT, FORCE IT TO IF IT WANTED TO BE A LIFT, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A PARALLEL LIFT. PARALLEL LIFT IS GOING TO BE TAKING UP A THIRD. 
          I MEAN, TWO THIRDS OF THAT PROPERTY LINE. IN ORDER TO GET ON TO THAT PARALLEL LIFT, YOU HAVE TO ENTER IT FROM THE END OF THE LIFT. YOU CAN'T AGAIN, YOU CAN'T SLIDE IT UP FROM FROM THE FROM THE WATERWAY. YOU'VE GOT TO GO OVER AND UP THE LIFT, WHICH MEANS THAT THIS BOAT, THAT ANYBODY CAPTAINING THIS BOAT IS GOING TO END UP HAVING TO PUT THEIR STERN ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE IN ORDER TO ENTER THE LIFT AND GET IT UP ON THE LIFT AGAIN. SO FROM A LOGICAL STANDPOINT, THIS RIGHT HERE, THIS CONFIGURATION WE'RE LOOKING AT IS GOING TO HAVE A MUCH LESS IMPACT ON THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES THAN IF YOU PUT IN A WHAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN APPROVED LIFT, AN APPROVED CONFIGURATION, WHICH WOULD BE THE PARALLEL. SO AGAIN, WHAT I'M WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS THING. WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SAYING WE DON'T WANT THEM TO DO THAT. AND WE'VE GOT A PIE SHAPED LOT THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE THE STERN OF THIS BOAT TO CROSS OVER THE PROPERTY LINES IN ORDER TO GET ONTO A LIFT. IF WE WERE TO CHANGE THE CONFIGURATION TO A PARALLEL INSTEAD OF PERPENDICULAR. SO AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT BEFORE WE MAKE THE ULTIMATELY MAKE THIS DECISION. THANK YOU. OKAY WITH THAT? YES. 
          I APPRECIATE BOTH YOUR PERSPECTIVES. I JUST HAVE A DIFFERENT ONE. YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THE SATELLITE MAP AND JUST LOOK AT ALL THE OTHER NEIGHBORS WITH THE SAME ISSUES AND THEY'RE ABLE TO COMPLY, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THEM. WELL, YEAH, OBVIOUSLY THE TWO WITH VERY SKINNY FRONTAGES, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, THEY THEY'RE IN A DIFFERENT SITUATION. AND, AND COACH TO YOUR YOUR COMMENT, I AGREE WITH YOU IN NORMAL CASES, BUT WHAT I'VE EXPERIENCED IN THE PREVIOUS TERM WAS. WE OFTEN HAD BUILDERS BUILDING SPEC HOMES AND. GOING INTO SETBACKS WITH POOLS, POOL CAGES, EQUIPMENT AND, AND IT SEEMED LIKE THEY WERE KNOWINGLY DOING IT, SELLING IT TO A NEW HOMEOWNER. THEY DIDN'T KNOW THAT THAT WAS THE CASE. AND THEN THE POOR HOMEOWNER, WHO IS OUR CITIZEN, WHO IS A VOTER, WHO IS PAYING TAXES, HAS TO COME IN AND SAY, SORRY, I DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT, AND I NEED A VARIANCE, PLEASE. AND THE DEVELOPER GOT AWAY WITH IT AND THEY WERE DOING IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WAS A PATTERN OF THAT. SO ONE OF THE REASONS I THINK THE VARIANCE CRITERIA WAS, WAS TIGHTENED UP WAS TO TRY TO PREVENT THAT SITUATION. AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT THIS THIS PERSON IS IN THAT SITUATION. 
          I'M JUST TRYING TO PROVIDE AN ADDITIONAL PERSPECTIVE TO WHY I'M ALSO VERY SYMPATHETIC TO OUR OUR TAXPAYERS, OUR PROPERTY OWNERS, OUR RESIDENTS. BUT SOMETIMES I HAVE TO FEEL LIKE I HAVE TO SAY NO. AND THAT'S UNDERSTOOD. I'M JUST SAYING, YOU'RE RIGHT. THIS ISN'T ONE OF THOSE CASES. THIS ISN'T THAT HAPPENING. WHICH IS WHY, AGAIN, WHY WE HAVE A VARIANCE PROCESS IT. WE PERMITTED THIS THING, MAN, IN THE END, LIKE WE PERMITTED THIS AND IT'S GOING TO PARK THERE ANYWAY, WHATEVER. I UNDERSTAND THAT. AND SO THAT'S WHY I SAY I'M WILLING TO GRANT A VARIANCE FOR THE DOCK ITSELF, BUT NOT TO EXPAND IT WITH THE BOATLIFT. AND I, I, I HEAR YOU, I JUST AS A FORMER BOAT, I'M PROBABLY THE ONLY ONE AS A FORMER BOAT OWNER, I DO NOT SEE THAT'S WHERE WE DIGRESS. THAT'S WHERE WE DIFFER. I DON'T SEE A LIFT AS AN EXPANSION OF ANYTHING. IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT WAY OF PARKING IT. SO GOOD DEBATE. BUT BACK TO THIS. YES. 
          SCHULTZ. YEAH. THIS REMINDS ME OF ONE OF MY FIRST MEETINGS ON THE PAB WHEN THE PORT ROYAL ASSOCIATION WAS HERE REPRESENTING TWO OF THEIR CANALS. THEY WANTED THE BOAT DOCKS TO BE WIDENED FROM 22 TO 25FT. AND SO I ASKED THE COUNCILOR, I SAID, COUNCILOR, YOU SAID YOU HAVE A SURVEY OF THIS IN YOUR PRESENTATION. CAN YOU PROVIDE ME THE SURVEY? AND 
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LET'S SEE WHAT PEOPLE ARE THINKING? NO, I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE THAT TO YOU, I SAID. THEN MY ANSWER IS NO. EASY COMES BACK IN TWO MONTHS. HE HAD SENT THE APPLICANT ALL THE STUFF WITH. HE SAYS, WHY WAS THAT IMPORTANT? SO? BECAUSE I LIKE TO SEE THE DYNAMIC OF PORT ROYAL, THAT THEY HAVE VERY SIMILAR PROBLEMS TO MANY OTHER PEOPLE THAT WE DO, BUT THE DIRT IS MORE EXPENSIVE THERE. AND SO I THOUGHT I LOOKED AT IT AND SAID, THERE'S A 25%. I THINK ERICA WAS THE CLEARANCE ON THE SIDE. THERE WAS LIKE A 20. IT CAN'T EXCEED 25% OF THE CANAL. 
          YES. SO THEY HAD THEY HAD THAT COVERING, BUT IT SAID THIS ONE NEBULOUS TERM FOR A REASONABLY SIZED BOAT. AND THAT THAT GOT MY ATTENTION BECAUSE. YEAH. AND WHEN I WAS A BOY, I HAD A TEN INCH ALUMINUM DINGHY WITH A LITTLE BOATER THAT I WAS BROKE. BUT I SAID, IN PORT ROYAL, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A BOSTON WHALER. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, AN ODYSSEY, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE THIS. AND THERE ARE SOME FOLKS IN PORT ROYAL THAT COULD PROBABLY HAVE THE AIRCRAFT CARRIER NIMITZ BE DEEMED A REASONABLE SIZED BOAT. WITH THAT, THANK YOU. A MOTION. 
          I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE VARIANCE, INCLUDING THE LIFT FOR THE BOAT DOCK LOCATED AT 2125 SCENIC DRIVE. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY. WAIT ONE SECOND. OH. I'M SORRY. 
          YES, YES. I'M SORRY. YES, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY. WITH THE THREE CONDITIONS THAT WERE PART OF THE MEMO. DO I NEED TO READ THOSE? OKAY. THANK YOU. SECOND STANCE. BUT THE CONDITIONS. 
          EXCUSE ME. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON, A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER. BUT THE CONDITIONS ARE CONDITIONS IN THE RESOLUTION. YES. THE STAFF CONDITIONS. RESOLUTION. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. IF THERE'S NO FURTHER DISCUSSION, MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHULTZ. I'D VOTE YES. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER PENNYMAN. YES. VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP. NO. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. 
          KRAMER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KROLL. NO. MAYOR HARTMAN. YES. IT PASSES 5 TO 2. WITH THAT, THANK YOU AND GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. WE ARE IN NEED OF A BREAK. SO IT IS. I'LL JUST SAY 11:00. AND W OKAY. WE ARE BACK FROM OUR SHORT BREAK. MOVING TO ITEM 13 
          [13.A) A Presentation on the Cambier Park Playground Project, by the Three (3) Companies that Submitted RFP’s, to Provide Additional Information Related to the Design Submitted for the Purpose of Selecting a Vendor for the Design and Construction Services of the Cambier Park Playground and a Recommendation on the Best Design and Construction Option Presented (Supplement 1/Updated Item).]
A ON PRESENTATION ON THE CAMBIER PARK PLAYGROUND PROJECT. MR. YOUNG, I'M GOING TO INTRODUCE THIS ITEM. SO FROM THE STANDPOINT OF, AS YOU KNOW, LAST MEETING, YOU HAD SOME DISCUSSION ON THIS ITEM AND IN FACT, EVEN TOOK A VOTE AS TO WHO TO SELECT AND POTENTIALLY NEGOTIATE WITH AFTER CONSIDERATION OF THE MAGNITUDE OF THE PROJECT, REVIEWING THE OVERALL MEETING TIMELINE THAT THE THE. YEAH, THE EVALUATION COMMITTEE AND SOME VARIOUS THINGS, INCLUDING QUESTIONS THAT COUNCIL HAD FROM THE DAIS TO TO RELATED TO THE SUBMITTALS, JUST FELT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO ALLOW AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EACH OF THESE MEMBERS TO COME IN HERE. YOU SEE THEIR PRESENTATION. AGAIN, THE PRESENTATION, ONE OF THE ITEMS IS THE PRESENTATION THAT WILL BE THAT IS WAS LOADED IN YOUR PACKET IS THE ORIGINAL SUBMISSION. THEY HAD THEIR IF THERE WERE MODIFICATIONS AND THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS, THAT'LL BE WITHIN THEIR PURVIEW TO DO FOR YOU TODAY. IN ADDITION TO THAT, YOU HAD SOME CONVERSATION RELATED TO WARRANTIES, AND I THINK THERE WAS SOME GENERAL CONVERSATIONS. WELL, THEY'RE ALL PRETTY CLOSE THE SAME. THOSE TYPES OF QUESTIONS WOULD BE GOOD THAT THESE INDIVIDUALS HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO ASK THEM DIRECTLY OR ANYTHING ELSE YOU'D LIKE. SO THIS WAS MY DECISION THAT I FELT IT WAS APPROPRIATE TO COME BACK TO YOU, TO ALLOW EACH ONE OF THE VENDORS THAT SAME OPPORTUNITY AND THEN TO, TO, TO, TO FINALIZE OR REAFFIRM WHATEVER YOUR DECISIONS ARE. AND THEN WE'LL MOVE FORWARD FROM THERE. 
          SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR INDULGENCE IN THIS. I HOPE THE VENDORS APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. AND AND WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE FIRST PRESENTATION. 
          RIGHT NOW, CHAD AND AND AARON ARE HERE, MORE OR LESS, MORE OR LESS ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, HELP FACILITATE. BUT, YOU KNOW, I'LL HANDLE THAT PART OF IT FROM HERE. SO WITH THAT WE HAVE MIRACLE RECREATION AND EQUIPMENT COMPANY TO MAKE THE FIRST PRESENTATION. GOOD MORNING. GOOD MORNING AND WELCOME. IF YOU'LL JUST SAY MY NAME IS TONY BROWN AND I'M WITH MIRACLE RECREATION EQUIPMENT COMPANY. I'VE BEEN A PLAYGROUND PROFESSIONAL FOR 30 YEARS NOW, SO I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT. IT'S A VERY LARGE ONE IN SOUTH FLORIDA. I ONLY HANDLE JUST THE SOUTH FLORIDA AREA, SO IT'S A PRETTY EXCITING PROJECT. SO I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY 
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TO TO COME AND PRESENT, YOU KNOW, ONE LAST TIME. SO I WANTED TO START WITH A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY ABOUT MIRACLE RECREATION EQUIPMENT COMPANY. WE ARE THE OLDEST AND LARGEST MANUFACTURER IN THE COUNTRY. MIRACLE RECREATION IS THE ORIGINAL IS IMPORTANT. THAT KIND OF EXPLAINS WHERE WE CAME FROM. MANUFACTURERS OF PLAYGROUNDS IN THE WORLD WERE EVEN OLDER THAN SLICED BREAD. FOUNDED IN 1927, WE'VE BEEN ENCOURAGING THRILLING PLAY AND EXPLORATION FOR NEARLY A CENTURY. LET ME TELL YOU THE MIRACLE STORY. SO PARK THAT STATION WAGON, GRAB A SEAT AND HOLD ON TIGHT. WE'RE GOING BACK TO WHERE IT ALL BEGAN. GRINNELL, IOWA AFTER SEEING A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE AT A STATE FAIR IN THE 1920S, FOUNDER JOHN ARNES WAS INSPIRED TO CREATE HIS FIRST PLAYGROUND EQUIPMENT. HE INVENTED THE ONE OF A KIND MIRACLE WHIRL, A DESIGN SO ICONIC IT WAS COVETED FOR GENERATIONS. OH, THE STORIES WE'VE HEARD. IN 1940, JOHN PASSED THE GROWING BUSINESS TO HIS SON, CLAUDE ARMS. CLAUDE THEN EXTENDED THE OFFERING WITH SWINGS, SEESAWS AND JUNGLE GYMS, USING A SIGNATURE CANDY CANE STRIPE PAINT TO STAND OUT. AFTER WORLD WAR TWO, MIRACLE INVENTED CAROUSELS AND SOLD THEM TO THE INCREASINGLY POPULAR DRIVE IN MOVIE THEATERS ARE NOTHING LIKE THE SMELL OF FRESH POPCORN TO BRING BACK GOOD MEMORIES. THEN THINGS REALLY STARTED TO HEAT UP. DID YOU KNOW MIRACLE WAS THE FIRST COMPANY TO INSTALL PLAYGROUNDS IN FAST FOOD RESTAURANTS? CLAUDE ALSO WIDELY UTILIZED TRADE SHOWS AND CONVENTIONS TO SHARE HIS INVENTIONS. IN 1965, HE WAS INVOLVED WITH CREATING NRP. STILL TODAY, THE LEADING NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION FOCUSED ON PARKS AND RECREATION AND HAS AN ANNUAL CONVENTION WHERE WE EXHIBIT OUR INNOVATIONS. 
          MIRACLE WAS ALSO A FOUNDING MEMBER OF IPEMA, A NONPROFIT ORGANIZATION THAT PROMOTES AND ENCOURAGES SAFE PLAY. CLAUDE BELIEVED KIDS WANT CHALLENGE, ACTION, EXCITEMENT, AND HIS INNOVATIVE DESIGNS DID JUST THAT, ALL WHILE KEEPING THEM SAFE. AS THEY GREW, MIRACLE WENT BIGGER, FASTER, TALLER. FROM ASTRO CITY TO THE TORNADO SLIDE TO THE GIGANTIC MIRACLE PIONEERED THRILLING PLAYGROUNDS. BY MIRACLE RECREATION HAD OVER 200 EMPLOYEES SELLING IN THE FACILITIES IN IOWA, CALIFORNIA AND VIRGINIA. IN 1972, THE COMPANY SWITCHED HANDS FROM CLAUDE ARMS TO HIS SON PAUL, THE THIRD GENERATION, TO TAKE THE REINS FOR US HERE AT MIRACLE PLAYGROUND. INNOVATION IS A FAMILY BUSINESS TO THIS DAY. MANY OF OUR SALES REPRESENTATIVES HAVE BEEN AT MIRACLE FOR 2 TO 3 GENERATIONS. IN 1990, THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT BECAME U.S. LAW. MIRACLE GOES BEYOND ADA ACCESSIBILITY STANDARDS TO CREATE INCLUSIVE AND SENSORY RICH PLAY SPACES. BECAUSE WE BELIEVE SELF DISCOVERY AND THRILL SHOULD HAVE NO LIMITS. SINCE 1927, LONGER THAN SLICED BREAD, MIRACLE HAS EMPOWERED CHILDREN TO EXPLORE, INNOVATE, AND PIONEER NEW POSSIBILITIES THROUGH PLAY. NOW WE CELEBRATE THIS LEGACY AS WE MAKE WAY FOR THE LEADERS OF TOMORROW. TO ME, THAT'S A VERY INSPIRING VIDEO THAT THAT THEY PROVIDE FOR US. SO I'M REALLY PROUD OF THAT. OKAY. MOVING RIGHT IN TO YOUR PARTICULAR DESIGN. OKAY, SO WE WERE ASKED TO PROVIDE THE HISTORY SO THAT WE WOULD DO SOME RESEARCH AS FAR AS CAMBIER PARK. AND WHEN IT STARTED, WE DO KNOW THAT IT WAS NAMED AFTER WILLIAM CAMBIER, A TOWN ENGINEER WHO WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY OF NAPLES IN 1926. SO ABOUT THE SAME AGE AS MIRACLE RECREATION. THE CURRENT PLAYGROUND IS WHAT'S LEFT OF A LEATHERS COMMUNITY BUILD PLAYGROUND, WHICH I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE STRUGGLED WITH FOR SO MANY YEARS, MAINTAINING AND AND MAKING IT SAFE FOR CHILDREN TO USE AND STAY OPEN. AND THAT WAS REPLACED THAT IN THE 90S, REPLACED BY CANDY CANE CITY, WHICH WAS MIRACLE. SO THE HISTORY, IT ALL TIES IN TOGETHER WITH THE CITY OF NAPLES. ALSO CANDY CANE CITY THAT YOU GUYS HAD BEFORE. LEATHERS WAS ACTUALLY A MIRACLE RECREATION PLAYGROUND. SO WE'RE CIRCLING BACK AROUND, HOPEFULLY. SO WE'RE GOING TO GET INTO THE ACTUAL DESIGN. AND I'M NOT GOING TO READ ALL OF THIS. IT'S JUST A LOT OF WORDS THAT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT THAT ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT, AND SINCE I'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE THE OTHER DESIGNS, I DO WANT TO POINT OUT SOME ITEMS IN HERE THAT NOT SURE IF EVERYONE'S FAMILIAR WITH. AND THAT'S IPEMA IS ONE OF THE WORDS, ONE OF THE ACRONYMS THAT WE, WE TALK ABOUT QUITE A LOT. IT'S THE INTERNATIONAL PLAYGROUND MANUFACTURER EQUIPMENT'S ASSOCIATION, AND THAT IS A THIRD PARTY ORGANIZATION THAT PROVIDES STRINGENT TESTING FOR 
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SAFETY AND COMPLIANCE WITH ASTM STANDARDS. ASTM STANDARDS FOR SAFETY IS WRITTEN INTO FLORIDA BUILDING CODE, AND SO IS ADA. SO THOSE TWO ITEMS ARE REQUIRED FOR COMMERCIAL PLAYGROUNDS. IT MUST BE INCLUDED. IPEMA IS RECOMMENDED AS FAR AS BEING CERTIFIED AND OTHER MANUFACTURERS ARE USING IPEMA AS BEING MEMBERS. ANYONE CAN BE A MEMBER OF IPEMA. I CAN GO RIGHT NOW AND LOG ON TO THEIR WEBSITE AND BECOME A MEMBER DOES NOT MEAN YOU'RE CERTIFIED. 
          SO CERTIFIED IS AN EASY CHECK THAT YOU CAN DO. YOU GO ON THE IPEMA WEBSITE AND YOU PUT IN A PRODUCT AND YOU SEE IF THERE'S AN ACTUAL CERTIFICATE THAT SAYS THAT IT'S BEEN TESTED AND CERTIFIED, THAT'S HOW YOU KNOW ALL OF THE ITEMS THAT ARE PROPOSED THAT I PUT IN YOUR DESIGN. I SPECIFICALLY CHOSE WITH IPEMA CERTIFICATION. SO IT MIGHT NOT BE, AS, YOU KNOW, BRIGHT AND, AND FANTASTIC AS YOU GUYS WERE LOOKING FOR. AS FAR AS THE THEME IS CONCERNED, HOWEVER, IT WAS IMPORTANT TO ME THAT I WAS ABLE TO CONFIDENTLY TELL YOU THAT ALL OF THE ITEMS ARE CERTIFIED. SO WE'LL MOVE INTO THE DESIGN AND THEN WE'LL, I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE AS IT'S AS IT'S PLAYING. OKAY. THIS IS A ANIMATION OF THE ACTUAL 3D RENDERING. AND I'LL EXPLAIN A SPECIFIC COMPONENTS AS WELL. SO THIS IS AN ENTRYWAY THAT IS INCLUDED. EVERYTHING YOU SEE IN THE DESIGN IS INCLUDED OR EXISTING. SO THIS IS SHOWING ONE ANGLE OF THE 5 TO 12 AREA. WE DO INCLUDE SIX SLIDES IN THE 5 TO 12 AREA AS AS OPPOSED TO FOUR FROM OTHER MANUFACTURERS. SO POINTED OUT, AS FAR AS SINCE I'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE IT, SOME DIFFERENT CHANGES AND COMPONENTS. SO EVERYTHING IS AGAIN, IPMA CERTIFIED. IF YOU WRAP EVERYTHING, THEN IT DOESN'T TAKE AWAY THE IPEMA CERTIFICATION. HOWEVER, IT THE THAT COMPONENT THAT THE CHILDREN IS PLAYING WITH. SO ALL THE PLAY SURFACES ARE IPEMA CERTIFIED. WE DO HAVE G, F, R, P, AND G, F, R, C WRAPS THAT ARE ON THE COLUMNS OF THE EXISTING SHADE STRUCTURES THAT WE HAVE PROPOSED TO REFURBISH, WHICH IS GOING TO GIVE YOU SIGNIFICANTLY MORE SHADE THAN THE OTHER DESIGN. SO ALL OF THESE SHADE STRUCTURES ARE EITHER EXISTING, REFURBISHED OR BRAND NEW THAT WILL BE INCLUDED THAT ARE INCLUDED IN THE DESIGN AS WELL. SO WE DO HAVE THE WRAPS THAT ARE ON THE COLUMNS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO TIE IN WITH THE THEME. WE ARE CAPABLE OF WRAPPING PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING, IF YOU WANT IT TO HAVE MORE OF THE G, F, R, P, OR THE GFRC WRAP, PLEASE UNDERSTAND THOSE PRODUCTS ONLY HAVE A FIVE YEAR WARRANTY. I'VE NOT SEEN ANOTHER MANUFACTURER THAT HAS MORE THAN A FIVE YEAR WARRANTY. DOESN'T MEAN IT DOESN'T EXIST. I'VE NOT BEEN ABLE TO LOCATE IT AND IT'S NOT PROMINENT ON THE WEBSITE. 
          SO THOSE ITEMS ARE ANOTHER REASON WHY I ONLY INCLUDED ITEMS THAT START AT 15 YEARS. 
          YOUR MAIN SUPPORT COLUMNS ARE LIFETIME, WHICH MEANS AS LONG AS YOU OWN IT, YOUR COLUMNS CAN ARE COVERED UNDER WARRANTY. SO WE'LL MOVE INTO MORE DETAIL. THAT'S JUST THE THE VIDEO, WHICH I CAN GO BACK TO THAT AT ANY POINT. IF WE MISS SOMETHING THAT WE WANT TO ZOOM IN ON, THIS IS AN OVERALL TOP VIEW OF THE LAYOUT FOR BOTH AREAS. SO AS YOU CAN SEE, SIGNIFICANT SHADE. AND THEN OF COURSE YOU HAVE THE, THE TREES, THE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE NOT SHOWN HERE BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE THE EQUIPMENT IF WE INCLUDED THE TREES IN THE RENDERING. SO THERE'S ALSO INCLUDED A BUTTERFLY SHADE AND A FLOWER SHADE, WHICH IS JUST PART OF THE THEMING. THEY ARE ACTUAL FABRIC SHADE STRUCTURES THAT FUNCTION JUST LIKE THE OTHER SHADE STRUCTURES. IT'S JUST PART OF A DESIGN ELEMENT THAT WE INCLUDED, AND THOSE ARE PRICED SEPARATELY SO THAT THOSE COULD EITHER BE DELETED OR CHANGED TO SOMETHING A LITTLE BIT MORE THEMING. IF THAT'S A CHOICE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE. AGAIN, HERE'S THE ENTRY FEATURE. 
          THIS IS JUST A BASIC ONE, BUT THERE ARE SEVERAL OPTIONS TO CHOOSE FROM. OF COURSE, THE FACE COULD SAY WHATEVER YOU'D WANT IT TO, EITHER JUST THE PARK NAME OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER VERBIAGE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO HAVE ON THE ENTRANCE. AND IT IS INCLUDED HERE, SHOWS THE ANGLE OF THE HILL SLIDE, OUR HILL SLIDES, AND ALL OF OUR G, F, R C PRODUCTS ARE AT LEAST EIGHT INCHES THICK. THEY ARE MOLDED, POURED, FORMED CONCRETE. THEY ARE NOT FIBERGLASS THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, 3 TO 4IN THICK. THEREFORE, WE CAN GIVE 20 YEARS, 20 YEAR WARRANTY, WHICH IS STANDARD, ALL OF THE G, FRC PRODUCTS THAT I PROPOSED ARE 20 YEAR WARRANTY, INCLUDING THE 
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BASE FOR THE HILL SLIDE. IT IS A PREFABRICATED PRODUCT THAT COMES FROM THE FACTORY MOLDED CONCRETE, SO THERE'S NO FOAM. THERE'S NO CHANCE THAT IT'S GOING TO COLLAPSE OR OR HAVE DIVOTS IN IT DOWN THE ROAD. AND IT IS BACKED BY A 20 YEAR WARRANTY INCLUDED WITH THE ANOTHER PIECE THAT YOU CAN SEE HERE. TO THE LEFT IS A ROCK SCULPTURE WITH THE ROPE. SO THE ROCK SCULPTURE ITSELF DOES HAVE A 20 YEAR WARRANTY AS OPPOSED TO FIVE FROM OTHER MANUFACTURER OPTIONS. SO THIS SHOWS EXAMPLES OF ACTUAL INSTALLATIONS THAT SHOW SOME OF THE THE DETAILS FOR THE MOUNDS SO THAT YOU CAN PICK AND CHOOSE THE COMPONENTS. THERE ARE FOUR SECTIONS TO EACH MOUND. I INCLUDED CLIMBERS WHICH ARE HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE. THERE'S A TRANSFER STATION TO GET UP AS WELL, WHICH IS HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE AND IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL SAFETY STANDARDS, INCLUDING IPMA CERTIFICATION. AND A SLIDE IS INCLUDED ON THERE AS WELL. AND THE MOUND THAT I PROPOSED IT IS A FIVE FOOT TALL SLIDE. THIS IS JUST SHOWING OTHER CAPABILITIES WITH THE G, F R, WHICH IS THE CONCRETE 20 YEAR PRODUCT. THIS IS AN ANGLE THAT SHOWS UNDERNEATH THE SWINGS, THE SHADING AREA. AND THERE'S A SPINNER. AND THIS IS IN THE 5 TO 12 AREA. THERE'S ALSO A SENSORY HUT INCLUDED WHICH YOU CAN PICK OUT YOUR PANELS IF YOU CHOOSE. THIS IS FOR PRIMARILY FOR CHILDREN THAT THAT MAY BE AUTISTIC. AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN INCLUSIVE AREAS WHERE THEY CAN STILL BE INVOLVED IN ALL OF THE REGULAR ACTIVITIES THAT ARE GOING ON HERE AT THE PARK WITH ALL, WITH ALL CHILDREN INCLUDED. THIS IS AN ANGLE SHOWING THIS IS A GFRP ALLIGATOR. THIS IS THE POLYMER VERSION OF THE THE SCULPTED. SO THIS IS A SCULPT. 
          THAT PARTICULAR COMPONENT IS A FIVE YEAR WARRANTY. SO ALL THE POLYMER IS FIVE YEARS. SO THE ONLY COMPONENTS THAT ARE INCLUDED ON YOUR PARTICULAR DESIGN. THERE'S A TURTLE SCULPTURE. TURTLE SCULPTURE EXCUSE ME ALLIGATOR. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE MUSHROOM CLIMBERS. EVERYTHING ELSE IS GFRC THE 20 YEAR CONCRETE OR THE MIRACLE PRODUCT MANUFACTURED WITH A 15 TO 20 YEAR WARRANTY, DEPENDING ON THE COMPONENT. SO HERE IS JUST SHOWING THERE ARE SOME SLIDES THAT WE DID, WHICH IS A IPM, A CERTIFIED BARRIER. SO IF YOU CHOSE TO ADD MORE SLATTING TO THE RAILINGS, AS LONG AS WE'RE NOT COMPROMISING HAND GRIP OR ACCESSIBILITY OR THE IPMA CERTIFICATION, WE'RE HAPPY TO DO SO. CONSIDERING WE WERE LOWEST AS FAR AS THE BIDDING IS CONCERNED. THE OTHER TWO CAME IN AT 2.2 AND 2.5. YOU THROW ME ANOTHER $200,000, I'M HAPPY TO TO SLAP IT ANYWHERE YOU'D LIKE TO ADD MORE THEMING TO IT. WE CAN CERTAINLY DO. SO THIS SLIDE I SKIPPED OVER. SORRY. EXCUSE ME. OKAY, SO HERE SHOWS ANOTHER ANGLE GOING THROUGH THE SWINGS THAT SHOWS THE DIFFERENT PLAY VALUE. THERE IS A LOT GOING ON, SO IT KIND OF GETS CONVOLUTED WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO PICK OUT INDIVIDUAL COMPONENTS. SO AS WE GET FURTHER INTO IT, WE'LL BE ABLE TO SEE MORE DETAILS IN A PLAN VIEW. SO THIS IS A VIDEO I'M GOING TO SKIP OVER THIS BECAUSE I'M NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FAST FORWARD IT. DAVID. 
          IF YOU COULD TURN IT UP JUST A LITTLE, JUST FOR A MINUTE, I'LL SKIP THROUGH IT. I WANTED TO SHOW THAT THIS IS THE MUSIC STATION THAT WE INCLUDED IN THE 2 TO 5 AREA. IT'S UNDER THE SHADE STRUCTURE IN FRONT OF THE SWINGS. SO THESE CHILDREN ACTUALLY COMPOSE THE MUSIC THAT THEY'RE GETTING READY TO PLAY. SO AND ALL OF THIS IS TOGETHER. SO ALL OF THESE COMPONENTS ARE INCLUDED UNDER THERE AND IT ACTUALLY PLAYS MUSIC. IT'S TUNED. SO IT'S REALLY A LOT OF FUN TO SEE IT HAPPEN IN PERSON. THE KIDS LOVE IT. IT'S VERY POPULAR SERIES. I'LL SKIP THROUGH THAT. OKAY, SO HERE'S ANOTHER. THIS IS THE ANGLE SHOWING THE STRUCTURE IN THE 2 TO 5 AREA WE HAVE. THIS IS A BRIDGE THAT IS SCULPTED INTO THE SHAPE OF A FISH. IT'S A VERY ICONIC MIRACLE PIECE. IT IS INTERCHANGEABLE. PRETTY MUCH ANY OF THE COMPONENTS ARE INTERCHANGEABLE. BRIDGE WITH A BRIDGE CLIMBER. WITH A CLIMBER. SLIDE WITH A SLIDE. WE HAVE HUNDREDS TO CHOOSE FROM. SO IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU SEE IN OUR CATALOG THAT YOU LIKE BETTER, AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT WE'VE DESIGNED HERE, WE'RE CERTAINLY OPEN TO THAT. ALSO HERE SHOWS GFRC CLIMBER. IT'S A ROCK SCULPTURE THAT IS SOLID, POURED CONCRETE ALL THE WAY THROUGH. SO THE REASON WHY WE'RE ABLE TO GIVE A 20 YEAR WARRANTY ON THAT IS IF SOMEONE HITS IT WITH A BASEBALL BAT AND KNOCKS OFF A CHUNK OF IT, IT JUST LOOKS LIKE A ROCK THAT GOT A PIECE KNOCKED OFF. WE PUT SOME OF THE CONCRETE PAINT ON IT. IT'S GOOD TO GO. YOU DON'T 
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HAVE TO REPLACE THE WHOLE COMPONENT. YOU DON'T HAVE TO SHUT DOWN YOUR PLAYGROUND. IT'S A MINOR REPAIR FOR 20 YEARS. LOW MAINTENANCE IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME WITH THIS DESIGN. I'M GOING TO BE HERE FOR ANOTHER 20 YEARS. AND I DON'T WANT YOU MAD AT ME. IF YOU. IF SOMETHING YOU SAY YOU DIDN'T TELL ME, YOU DIDN'T WARN ME. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE ABOUT. 
          OKAY, SO THIS BRIDGE HERE, WE DID A THIS IS A CONSIDERED A CUSTOM ROPE BRIDGE. THIS IS IN THE PROCESS OF BEING IPE CERTIFIED. I FELT COMFORTABLE INCLUDED IN IT WITH YOUR DESIGN BECAUSE I FEEL IT SHOULD BE CERTIFIED BY THE TIME YOU GUYS MAKE YOUR FINAL DECISION. SO JUST GOING TO BE TRANSPARENT ABOUT THAT. THAT IS THE ONLY COMPONENT THAT CHILDREN ACTUALLY HAVE ACCESS TO THAT THEY CAN PLAY WITH THAT ARE ON THAT IS NOT OFFICIALLY IP CERTIFIED RIGHT NOW TO TO DATE RIGHT NOW, YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO GET A CERTIFICATE FOR THAT COMPONENT. ALL THE OTHER ONES YOU WOULD. SO WE HAVE THE HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE RAILINGS. 
          THOSE HAVE GATOR GRIP ON THEM. THAT MAKES IT EASY FOR CHILDREN IN WHEELCHAIRS OR MOBILITY DEVICES TO BE ABLE TO GRAB A HOLD AND PULL THEMSELVES. WE DO HAVE ANOTHER VERSION OF IT THAT WOULD HAVE INTERNAL RAILINGS. IF YOU PREFER TO HAVE SLATS ADDED TO THE OUTSIDE, WE CAN DO THAT. I DIDN'T DO IT IN THE PRIMARY DESIGN SO THAT WE COULD PUT MORE PLAY COMPONENTS AND MEET THE BUDGET. IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME TO TO MEET THE ORIGINAL BUDGET, ALSO THE TIMELINE, BECAUSE I KNOW TIMELINE WAS VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. AND ALSO CHOOSING THE COMPONENT. SO THE MORE CUSTOM YOU DO, THE MORE ONE OFF OUT, YOU KNOW, NOT ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN DESIGNED AND CERTIFIED BEFORE TAKES A LOT LONGER TO GET. AND WE WOULD NOT HAVE CONTROL OVER OUTSIDE SOURCES TO BE ABLE TO DETERMINE AND ACTUALLY HIT THE TIME FRAMES WE CAN WITH EVERYTHING PROPOSED HERE, BECAUSE WE MANUFACTURE IT, WE'RE IN CONTROL OF IT. WE CAN HIT THE DEADLINES. IT'S JUST ANOTHER ANGLE SHOWING ONE OF THE LITTLE FISH FEATURES, WHICH WE HAVE A LOT TO CHOOSE FROM. THAT'S IN THE 2 TO 5 AREA. THIS IS THE GFRP TURTLE THAT I WAS EXPLAINING THAT HAS A FIVE YEAR WARRANTY. THESE COMPONENTS ARE ALSO CAPABLE OF BEING SENT BACK TO THE FACTORY. THE ONLY THING WE'VE SEEN, THEY'VE BEEN IN THE FIELD FOR 15 YEARS AND I'VE NEVER SEEN ONE BROKEN. WE HAVE SEEN THEM FADED. WE TAKE IT. WE SEND IT BACK TO THE FACTORY, THEY REPAINT IT, SEND IT BACK. IT'S $1,200. YOU GOT A NEW COMPONENT. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO LAST YOU EVEN WAY BEYOND YOUR WARRANTY. SO THIS IS ANOTHER GFRP WRAP. SO THIS IS NOT IP CERTIFIED BECAUSE IT'S NOT REQUIRED. IT'S NOT A PLAY COMPONENT. SO THIS IS JUST FOR ESTHETIC REASONS. JUST TO COVER UP THE COLUMNS OF THE SHADE STRUCTURE. SO HERE IS A PLAN VIEW THAT SHOWS ALL OF THE COMPONENTS. SO WHAT WE DO VERY TRANSPARENT ON THESE DESIGNS IS WE SHOW YOU THE ACTUAL COUNT. SO IF YOU LOOK IN THE UPPER LEFT AND RIGHT HAND SIDE, YOU CAN SEE HOW MANY ELEVATED PLAY COMPONENTS THAT WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH HANDICAP ACCESSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS. YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE 50% OF THE ELEVATED COMPONENTS ACCESSIBLE BY TRANSFER OR RAMP. IF YOU HAVE MORE THAN 19, THEN IT DOES HAVE TO BE ACCESSIBLE BY RAMP BY LAW. THAT'S NOT ANYTHING THAT'S THAT THAT'S QUESTIONABLE. THAT IS AN ACTUAL LAW. WE ARE COVERING OVER 1400 ZERO SQUARE FEET. THE CAPACITY IS 395 TO 405. AGAIN, ALL OF THE COMPONENTS ARE ARE LISTED ON HERE FOR EACH AREA. 
          SO THERE'S NO QUESTION WHAT'S CONSIDERED A PLAY COMPONENT AND WHAT'S NOT. ALL OF YOUR CHECK MARKS ARE ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE ARE ON THERE. WE DO HAVE THE IPM CERTIFIED STAMP SEAL ASTM 1487. THAT'S THE WHOLE INTENTION. THE PURPOSE OF THIS THIRD PARTY TESTING IS TO SOMEONE ELSE WITH THE AUTHORITY TO CERTIFY, INSTEAD OF YOU ALL TAKING THE CHANCE THAT OH SO AND SO SAID, OR THIS PAPERWORK, AND ALSO WITHOUT HAVING TO HAVE REGULAR INSPECTIONS, WHICH I'M SURE YOU DO. ANYWAY, IT'S ALREADY BEEN CERTIFIED TO TO BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THOSE ASTM STANDARDS. THIS IS MORE OF A DETAIL OF THE SECOND STORY FOR THE 5 TO 12 AREA, AND ALSO SHOWING THE RAMPS. ALL OF THESE DETAILS ARE BLURRY WHEN IT COMES OVER ON A POWERPOINT, BUT I'M SURE YOU ALL HAVE ACCESS TO THE ORIGINAL PRESENTATION THAT WE MADE, THE BINDERS THAT HAS EVERYTHING PRINTED NICE AND CLEARLY. AS FAR AS THE TURNAROUND TIME, I'M RUNNING LATE. AS FOR MODIFICATIONS, IT DEPENDS ON THE MODIFICATION. IF YOU WANT TO JUST ADD SLIDING, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE WEEKS DESIGN DOESN'T TAKE VERY LONG TO DO THAT. MINOR MODIFICATIONS, 1 TO 2 WEEKS. IF YOU WANT TO DO A MAJOR RENOVATION, LIKE WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE, WE DO HAVE THE CAPABILITY OF DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU SEE IN THAT PICTURE. THAT'S A PHOTOGRAPH. WE CAN WRAP ALL THE COLUMNS. NOW, WE WERE NOT GOING TO COMPROMISE THE ACTUAL IP CERTIFICATION OF THE MAIN STRUCTURE OR OUR SLIDES OR ANY OF THE PLAY COMPONENTS. SO IF YOU WANT IT TO LOOK LIKE A TREE, WE'RE HAPPY TO INCREASE THE BUDGET FOR YOU AND, AND WRAP THE TREE 
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TO WHERE THE ACTUAL. SO THAT WOULD BE. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF MIRACLE SLIDES, MIRACLE PLATFORMS, MIRACLE SUPPORT COLUMNS. NOW IT'S STILL THE SAME SUPPORT POSTS THAT HAVE A LIFETIME WARRANTY. THE STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY IS NOT COMPROMISED. AND THEN WE CAN MAKE IT LOOK LIKE A TREE. IF YOU IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO SPEND MORE MONEY ON, OR WE CAN TAKE IT AWAY FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. FOR EXAMPLE, IF THE BUTTERFLY AND THE FLOWER ARE NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU. BUT THIS IS WE CAN CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, TRADE, YOU KNOW, THOSE ITEMS. IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE INTERESTED IN. THIS IS AN OVERVIEW OF AN ACTUAL PROJECT THAT'S IN KENTUCKY. THIS SHOWS AN EXAMPLE OF SOME, YOU KNOW, SIMILAR DESIGN THEME WHERE WE COME FROM. I MEAN, WHERE WE INCLUDED MIRACLE EQUIPMENT WITH SOME FORM OF TREE STRUCTURES THAT ARE JUST FOR LOOKS. THEY'RE NOT ACTUAL CLIMBING STRUCTURES, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE. BUT WE NEEDED TO HAVE IP CERTIFICATION FOR THIS. THIS IS A CLOSE UP SHOWING SOME OF THOSE DETAILS. THAT IS A G FRC SOLID CONCRETE FROG THAT'S SITTING ON A ON A LOG PROJECT SCHEDULE. THIS WAS PROVIDED IN DETAIL WHEN I COMPARED IT TO THE OTHER SUBMITTERS. WE ARE AT 180 190 DAYS AND THE OTHER TWO ARE OVER 300. I DIDN'T KNOW YOU HAD A YEAR, SO I AGGRESSIVELY PICKED COMPONENTS THAT WOULD BE WITHIN A SIX MONTH TIME FRAME, WHICH IS REALISTIC. SO THIS IS A BREAKDOWN OF ALL THE COMPONENTS. SO IT MAKES IT EASY FOR YOU TO DECIDE WHAT'S IMPORTANT. SO YOU CAN LOOK AT ALL THE COMPONENTS. YOU CAN ALSO CHECK IP WITH THESE MODEL NUMBERS. GO ON THE IPMA WEBSITE. PUT THAT MODEL NUMBER IN. YOU'LL GET A CERTIFICATE. IT IT SHOWS THE VALUE OF EACH COMPONENT SO THAT IT MAKES IT EASY TO CUSTOMIZE IT. IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO DO, THIS IS THE LAST PAGE OF IT THAT SHOWS THE OVERALL COST AS PROPOSED, WHICH IS THE 1,000,970 000 AND CHANGE. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE CAN WE CAN MAKE CHANGES IF YOU WANT TO. EVERYTHING IS DETAILED THERE. WARRANTY. AS I EXPLAINED, IT'S HERE IN WRITING 20 YEARS ON THE MAIN STRUCTURAL PLATFORMS THAT ARE TYPICALLY 15. BUT WE ARE GOING TO COASTAL CODE, EVERYTHING, ALL OF THE RAILINGS, JUST TO GIVE YOU MORE PEACE OF MIND AND LONGEVITY ON YOUR WARRANTY. WE HAVE NO PROBLEM COVERING THAT EXTRA FIVE YEARS BECAUSE WE'RE SO CONFIDENT THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO, WITHOUT ANY ISSUE 20 YEARS. AGAIN, ON YOUR ON YOUR GFR COMPONENTS, 15 YEARS ON ALL PLASTICS, THAT'S STANDARD, TEN YEARS ON SHADE FABRICS. THAT'S STANDARD. LIFETIME ON YOUR MAIN STRUCTURAL SUPPORT COLUMNS. AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THESE ARE OUR ACTUAL CERTIFICATIONS. HERE'S THE DIFFERENCE THAT SHOWS THE MEMBER STAMP THAT EVERYBODY HAS. EVERYBODY'S A MEMBER OF IPMA. WHAT YOU NEED TO LOOK FOR IS CERTIFIED. SO WHEN YOU RECEIVE A PLAN VIEW, THIS IS WHAT THE RED STAMP INDICATES CERTIFIED. AND THEN YOU CAN ALSO CROSS-REFERENCE EACH MODEL NUMBER THAT'S IN A PLAN VIEW ON THE IPMA WEBSITE THROUGH THAT MANUFACTURER TO DETERMINE IF IT'S FEMA CERTIFIED, IF THAT'S IMPORTANT TO YOU. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT IS SOMETHING THAT EVERYONE KNEW THE DIFFERENCE SO THAT, OH, HERE'S THE FINAL VIDEO. THIS IS ABOUT THIS JUST SHOWS SOME INFORMATION. IT'S THE ACTUAL MANUFACTURING FACILITY AFTER IT WAS EXPANDED. SO, DAVID, IF YOU COULD TURN THIS ONE UP OF EXCITEMENT, OF JOY, OF COMMUNITY, THESE ARE MIRACLE MACHINES. RUBE GOLDBERG AS THE ORIGINAL PIONEERS OF PLAY, WE UNDERSTAND THAT PAUL BETTER THAN ANYONE. AND IT'S HERE AT AMERICA'S HEARTLAND WHERE WE ANSWER IT. SINCE 1927, WE'VE BEEN SHAPING THE FUTURE OF PLAY ONE PLAYGROUND AT A TIME. AND NOW, USING OUR STATE OF THE ART TECHNOLOGY AND AN EXPANDED MANUFACTURING FACILITY, OUR DEDICATED WORKFORCE PRODUCES A GREATER NUMBER OF QUALITY PLAY SOLUTIONS, AND IT EVEN GREATER SPEED. THIS IS MIDWESTERN MANUFACTURING AT ITS FINEST, FULL OF PERSEVERANCE, DETERMINATION, AND GRIT. THIS IS THE COMMUNITY OF MONETT, MISSOURI, UNITED IN THE NAME OF PRIDE AND PROGRESS, INSPIRING AND EMPOWERING TOMORROW'S LEADERS THROUGH THE MIRACLE OF PLAY. THIS IS MIRACLE RECREATION. OKAY. AND THAT CONCLUDES WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. 
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THAT'S MY PRESENTATION. DO WE HAVE QUESTIONS? YES. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON, I APOLOGIZE IF YOU TOUCHED ON THIS ALREADY, BUT COULD YOU TALK ABOUT THE GROUND COVER? IT'S PUT IN PLACE. IT'S PUT IN PLACE SURFACING. SO THERE WOULD BE A DRAIN ROCK AT NUMBER 57 STONE FOUR INCH ROCK BASE, WHICH IS A DRAIN ROCK. AND THEN WHATEVER THE THICKNESS OF THE PORTLAND PLACE RUBBER SURFACING BASED ON THE FALL HEIGHT OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT IT'S AROUND. AND THERE'S ALSO A CONCRETE CURB THAT ENCASES THE ENTIRE AREA THAT IS INTEGRATED WITH THE THE FENCING. SO IT'S ALL PART OF ONE, ONE COMPONENT. AND THEN IN REFERENCE TO THAT, I ASSUME THAT THAT HAS SOME TYPE OF WARRANTY AS WELL. IT'S EIGHT YEARS, EIGHT YEARS. THAT'S INDUSTRY STANDARD. OKAY. AND THEN WE, WE LIVE DOWN HERE IN A, IN A. CARIBBEAN SWAMP THAT TENDS TO GET A LITTLE WARM. HOW IS THAT WITH THE SURFACE TEMPERATURE? THE SURFACE TEMPERATURE SEEMS TO DO FINE IN DIRECT SUNLIGHT. IT GETS HOT JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE. 
          ANYTHING THAT'S IN DIRECT SUNLIGHT IS GOING TO BE HOT, WHETHER IT'S A SLIDE, CONCRETE SIDEWALK, RUBBER SURFACING IS NOT EXEMPT FROM THAT EITHER. YOU DO HAVE SIGNIFICANT SHADING. 
          YOU HAVE IT ANYWAY WITH ALL OF THE TREES SURROUNDING IT. AND THEN WE'VE ADDED EVEN MORE SHADE. SO I DON'T ANTICIPATE YOU'LL HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE COURT IN PLACE AT ALL. THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHAT I PROPOSED. ALSO, I WAS VERY CAREFUL WITH PUTTING TOO MANY DESIGNS IN THE COURT IN PLACE BECAUSE OVER TIME, ANYWHERE YOU HAVE A SEAM, A CHANGE OF COLOR WHERE YOU HAVE A GRAPHIC, THOSE IN SOUTH FLORIDA ESPECIALLY WILL OPEN UP. SO IT'S JUST MORE MAINTENANCE LONG TERM AS FAR AS THE GRAPHICS ARE CONCERNED. GREAT. THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS? YES. 
          LIKE THE BUTTERFLY, YOU KNOW, ARE THEY WIN RATED BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, JUST A NORMAL RAINSTORM COULD HAVE 60 MILE AN HOUR WINDS HERE. SO NO, EVERYTHING IS RATED FOR SOUTH FLORIDA. 
          WHAT IS IT LIKE. IT'S 110 WITH THE FABRIC ON AND 170 WITH IT OFF. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO CATEGORY ONE THE IF IT'S EXPECTED THEN YOU WOULD NEED TO TO TAKE THE FABRIC OFF. AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PARKS AND REC IS NORM IS THEY'RE, THEY'RE USED TO DOING THAT. I WAS ABOUT TO ASK, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT OUR STAFF IS. IT'S EASY TO REMOVE FABRIC. IF WE CAN DO IT FOR YOU OR YOUR STAFF TYPICALLY DOES IT. CHAD'S FAMILIAR WITH THAT. AND, AND HOWEVER, WHAT THE PROCESS IS, THAT'S NORMAL FOR PARKS AND RECREATION. OKAY. YEAH. BECAUSE I MEAN, SOMETIMES WE DON'T HAVE A WEEK ADVANCE NOTICE, YOU KNOW, HURRICANE SEASON, IT COULD POP UP OFFSHORE. WE OFFER THAT SERVICE TO OUR CUSTOMERS AS WELL AS AN OPTION. OR AN ALTERNATIVE TO THAT, AN ALTERNATIVE TO PIECE. THAT'S THE BUTTERFLY. IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE OTHER THAN THAT? IT WOULD BE A STANDARD IF IT IF SHADE IS THE MOST IMPORTANT, THEN WE COULD SUBSTITUTE IT WITH A LARGER SHADE JUST TO GIVE MORE COVERAGE. I PUT THEM IN THERE AS DESIGN FEATURES. 
          THE PURPOSE OF THAT IT IS, AND FOR, YOU KNOW, DESIGN APPEAL BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU SEE. I MEAN, WE HAVE THEM. I HAVE PICTURES FROM ACTUAL INSTALLATIONS. WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING UP ANYWHERE CLOSE TO IT, IT REALLY STANDS OUT. OKAY. OTHER QUESTIONS. I APOLOGIZE. 
          HOW CLOSE ARE YOU IN TERMS OF PROXIMITY TO US? I'M IN BROWARD COUNTY. YOU'RE IN BROWARD. YEAH. 
          THANKS SO MUCH. THAT'S WHERE MY PARTICULAR OFFICE IS. I HAVE I HAVE STAFF EVERYWHERE. WE CAN TAKE CARE OF THAT. YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH. I HAVE INSTALLERS EVERYWHERE, IN EVERY CITY. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TODAY. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS FROM STAFF? MR. YOUNG I HAVE NONE, I WAS JUST THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MA'AM. AND FELIX IS GOING TO COORDINATE GETTING THE NEXT REPRESENTATIVE DOWN HERE AND THEN I'LL ANNOUNCE THAT. MAYOR. JUST ONE SECOND. 
          COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ, I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY OF BEING WITH MY GRANDDAUGHTER, WHICH I HAVEN'T SEEN IN A LONG TIME. SHE'S THREE YEARS AND NINE MONTHS. AND I SHOWED HER THE PICTURES BECAUSE I TOOK PICTURES OF DIFFERENT THINGS. PLAYGROUND. AND SHE SAID, PAPA, WHY ARE YOU HAVING MORE TREES WHEN THERE'S TREES EVERYWHERE? THAT'S A VERY GOOD QUESTION. 
          OUT OF THE MOUTH OF BABES. SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS PRETTY TELLING THAT SHE EVEN PICKED UP ON THAT. 
          BUT WHAT DO I KNOW? THANK YOU. DO I HAVE A PUBLIC COMMENT? THANK YOU. OKAY. 
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SO SHE MENTIONED BEFORE THE NEXT PRESENTATION THAT IF WE WANTED TO CHANGE SOMETHING, WE COULD. YES. SO CHAD MERRITT, COMMUNITY SERVICES DIRECTOR SO ALL OF THE DESIGNS AS PRESENTED AND AS PUT INTO RFP ARE CUSTOMIZABLE. WE SPECIFICALLY DID THAT. SO IF THERE'S THINGS THAT WE WANT TO CHANGE, THINGS THAT YOU WANT TO ADD, THINGS YOU WANT TO TAKE AWAY, THAT YOU HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT. AND I THINK ONCE YOU SELECT SOMEONE, WHOEVER THAT MAY BE, THOSE COMMENTS LIKE WE'VE HAD THE LAST TIME WOULD BE THE, THAT WOULD BE THE CONVERSATION WE WOULD HAVE, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE THE TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THE AWARD TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THOSE CONSULTANTS OR THAT CONTRACTOR TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES. SO MAYBE AFTER THE NEXT PRESENTATION, WE CAN HAVE ANY DISCUSSIONS. WE'VE GOT TWO MORE TWO MORE PRESENTATIONS. YES. ALL RIGHT. WITH THAT MAYOR, THE NEXT COMPANY TO PRESENT IS PLAY CORE WISCONSIN INCORPORATED. YOU CAN JUST COME TO THE PODIUM. THANK YOU, MADAM MAYOR. APPRECIATE IT. STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD, PLEASE. JOSH HARTLEY, REGIONAL SALES MANAGER WITH GAME TIME, A DIVISION OF PLAY CORE. I KNOW THERE WAS A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION DURING YOUR LAST PRESENTATION, SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF MAKE THAT CLEAR. AND I'M HERE TODAY WITH JIM LASSITER FROM DOMINICA RECREATION PRODUCTS, WHO WILL BE PART OF THE PRESENTATION AS WELL. GOOD MORNING, MADAM MAYOR. ESTEEMED COUNCIL MEMBERS, NAPLES CITY STAFF, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY, NAPLES COMMUNITY RESIDENTS. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE WITH YOU TODAY. MY NAME IS JOSH HARTLEY AND I'M THE EASTERN REGIONAL SALES MANAGER REPRESENTING GAME TIME. AND I'M HERE WITH OUR LOCAL DISTRIBUTOR, JIM LASSITER FROM DOMINICA RECREATION PRODUCTS. FIRST, I WOULD LIKE TO START BY COMPLIMENTING MADAM MAYOR, COUNCIL MEMBERS, STAKEHOLDERS, OFFICE OF PROCUREMENT AND THE COMMITTEE FORMED TO NAVIGATE THE PROCESS OF SELECTING A COMPANY TO PROVIDE NAPLES A WORLD CLASS RENOVATION OF CAMBIER PARK. IN MY 12 YEARS AT GAME TIME WORKING WITH COMMUNITIES THROUGHOUT THE UNITED STATES, I WOULD SAY THAT THIS IS ONE OF THE MOST THOROUGH, WELL DEFINED BID PROCESSES THAT WAS FAIR AND CLEARLY COMMUNICATED, IN ANY OF THE BID PROCESSES. I'VE BEEN THROUGH TOP FIVE IN MY 12 YEAR CAREER, SO KUDOS TO ALL OF YOU, YOUR STAFF AND THE PROCUREMENT DEPARTMENT. WE EAGERLY COMPETED THROUGH FOUR ROUNDS OF THIS SELECTION PROCESS THAT WAS CLEARLY AND CONCISELY COMMUNICATED EVERY STEP OF THE WAY BY FELIX GOMES, CHAD, AND STAFF. WE TOOK ALL THE FEEDBACK FROM THE STAKEHOLDERS AND THE PROCESS AND IMPLEMENTED ALL THE COMMITTEE'S COMMENTS AND FEEDBACK DURING EACH ROUND OF COMPETITION. ON APRIL 7TH, WE PRESENTED TO THE NAPLES PLAYGROUND COMMITTEE, HEADED BY CHAD, AND RECEIVED BOTH POSITIVE AND CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK IN THE RANKING THAT ALL COMPANIES DID. AT THAT TIME, WE WERE ALL INSTRUCTED TO HAVE OUR BEST AND FINAL PROPOSAL BACK TO THE COMMITTEE SO THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PRESENT ALL THREE COMPANIES OPTIONS TO COUNCIL MEMBERS ON MAY 7TH, WHICH THEY DID. WE COMPLIED AND FOLLOWED EVERY STEP IN THE BID PROCESS, WHICH CULMINATED IN A 5 TO 2 VOTE FOR DOMINICA RECREATION AND GAME TIME. THIS VOTE WAS MEMORIALIZED IN THE MEETING MINUTES AND ACKNOWLEDGED IN THE MINUTES BY CITY ATTORNEY MCCONNELL. THAT THE CITY WOULD INITIATE NEGOTIATIONS WITH GAME TIME. SUBSEQUENT TO THAT VOTE, IT WAS ACKNOWLEDGED ON THE CITY SOCIAL MEDIA SITE, PUBLISHED IN VARIOUS LOCAL NEWS OUTLETS, AND WE RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM THE CITY OF NAPLES TO START THE E VERIFY INSURANCE PROCESS AS IT RELATES TO CAMBIER PARK RENOVATION. OBVIOUSLY, BASED ON ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS, WE ALREADY STARTED THAT PROCESS OF VERIFYING IN GOOD FAITH FOR ALL OF YOU. WE ARE EAGER TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS RELATED TO CAMBIER PARK BID PROPOSAL TO MOVE THIS PROCESS FORWARD FOR 
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THE RESIDENTS OF NAPLES. IF POSSIBLE. JIM AND I WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME CLARITY TO CLEAR UP SOME CONFUSION WE HAVE ON WHY WE HAVE BEEN ASKED TO PRESENT AN OUTDATED DESIGN THAT WAS ALREADY PRESENTED ON APRIL 7TH TO THE COMMITTEE MANAGING THE EARLIER ROUNDS OF THE BID. AT THAT MEETING, IT WAS CLEARLY COMMUNICATED THAT CHAD AND COMMITTEE WOULD PRESENT EVERYONE'S BEST AND FINAL PROPOSAL AND DESIGN TO COUNCIL MEMBERS AND THE MAYOR, AS YOU WOULD BE THE FINAL DECISION MAKERS ON THIS PROJECT. WE PROVIDED THAT TO FELIX, CHAD AND THE COMMITTEE, AND IT WAS PRESENTED TO YOU ON MAY 7TH. IT SEEMS LIKE A DEPARTURE FROM A VERY CLEAR AND CONCISE BID PROCESS OUTLINED BY FELIX GOMES AND STAFF. AGAIN, WE ARE EXCITED TO BE A PART OF AN AMAZING PROJECT IN THE CITY OF NAPLES. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. CAN YOU PROVIDE SOME CLARITY ON THAT LAST POINT? MADAM MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, I THINK THAT'S DO YOU HAVE A PRESENTATION TO PRESENT? THE PRESENTATION IS LOADED, YES. 
          OKAY. I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. THE QUESTION. ARE YOU HERE TO PRESENT OR ARE YOU HERE TO TO QUESTION? WE'RE HERE TO WE WOULD LIKE TO PRESENT WHAT WAS VOTED ON IN THE 5 TO 2 MEETING. WE HAVE THE DATA. THEY HAVE THEY HAVE THAT PRESENTATION. NOBODY THERE. 
          NOBODY HAS TAKEN THAT AWAY FROM THEM. WHAT AGAIN, I'LL MAKE MYSELF CLEAR AS TO WHAT I INTRODUCED, BECAUSE I WANT TO BE CLEAR. SURE. IN AN ABUNDANCE OF CAUTION AND THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS PROJECT AND MY REVIEW, BECAUSE I WILL WANT TO ANSWER TO ONE QUESTION, IS WHO SAID FROM THE CITY BECAUSE WE DID NOT GIVE AN INTENT TO AWARD THAT WAS NEVER DELIVERED. COULD YOU ANSWER THAT? WAS YOU EVER GIVEN AN INTENT TO SAY THAT? I SAID INITIATE TO NEGOTIATE? I JUST WANT TO ASK THE QUESTION, DID YOU RECEIVE AN INTENT TO AWARD? YOU DID NOT. THANK YOU, WHICH WAS IN MY PREROGATIVE. AND I RESPECT THE CITY ATTORNEY IMMENSELY. SURE. AND IT'S THE CITY MANAGER'S OBLIGATION TO NEGOTIATE THROUGH HIS PURCHASING DEPARTMENT, A CONTRACT TO BRING BACK. SO THAT IS A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT, AND NOTHING WAS DONE TO THE CONTRARY. I DIRECTED MY PURCHASING DEPARTMENT NOT TO AWARD, AND GIVEN THE VAGUENESS OF SOME SOME ANSWERS AND SOME OF THE ACTIVITY WHERE IT WAS DIFFERENTIATED OR PERCEIVED TO BE DIFFERENTIATED, I JUST WANT TO GIVE EVERYBODY ONE MORE TIME TO STAND BEFORE COUNCIL. THEY WILL EITHER AFFIRM THERE WAS NOTHING STRICKEN FROM THE RECORD. THERE WAS NOTHING. IT JUST. WHAT WAS THE ORIGINAL DESIGN PRESENTED? YOU CAN AD LIB AND ADD ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT REGARDING WHAT THEY SAW WHEN CHAD PRESENTED AT THE LAST MEETING, BUT THERE WERE GENERAL STATEMENTS, INCLUDING THAT ALL OF THE ALL OF THE INSURANCES ARE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. WELL, THAT BEGS TO HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS, SO NOT THAT I. OH, I DON'T ANSWER TO YOU. I ANSWER TO THEM, BUT OUT OF AN ABUNDANCE OF FAIRNESS TO YOU, I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND. THAT'S ALL I'VE. I'VE DONE HERE TODAY IS SAID, GIVE EVERYBODY THE SAME OPPORTUNITY. NOBODY TOOK AWAY YOUR RIGHT TO IT. THEY CAN GO BACK TO THE MINUTES WHILE THEY'RE WATCHING THE OTHER, OR THEY CAN LISTEN TO YOU. THAT'S THEIR PREROGATIVE. AND IF THEY SAID TO ME, I'M READY TO GO WITH THE SAME ONE, I DON'T CARE. BUT IT'S THEIR PREROGATIVE. AND IF I FELT I WASN'T READY TO AWARD, WHICH IS THEIR CHARGE TO ME, THEN I WILL DO WHAT I FEEL IS APPROPRIATE AND FAIR. THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING THE CLARITY. WE JUST HAD SOME CONFUSION COMING OUT OF YOUR YOUR LAST YOUR LAST MEETING. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO JIM LASSITER FROM DOMINICA RECREATION PRODUCTS. I THANK YOU GUYS AGAIN FOR BEING HERE. I'VE BEEN VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS PROJECT FOR FOR SIX MONTHS NOW. SO WE WE ORIGINALLY, OUR TEAM CAME TOGETHER AND WE PRESENTED TWO DESIGNS ON APRIL 7TH. AND IN THIS, OUR IDEA WAS THAT WE'RE GOING TO SHOW YOU OUR CAPABILITIES AND, AND KIND OF HONE IT INTO ONE DESIGN THAT THAT MEETS THE CITY'S NEEDS. YOU KNOW, WE. THE APRIL 6TH MEETING WAS BUILT ON A LIST OF SCORING. THAT WAS THE HISTORY OF KASHMIR, THE WARRANTY, THE TIMELINE AND THE DESIGN. SO IT REALLY DOESN'T PERTAIN IN A LOT OF WAYS TO, TO THE ACTUAL FINAL PRESENTATION THAT WE DID ON MAY 7TH. IN FACT, WE, WE NARROWED THAT DESIGN DOWN TO A, A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT DESIGN. AT THE VERY FIRST PRESENTATION. WE I'M SORRY, THAT FEEDBACK WAS EXACTLY THE FEEDBACK OF THE 
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CITY COUNCIL, THE FEEDBACK OF THE DIRECTORS. THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF ULTIMATELY SHAPED THE DESIGN THAT WAS SELECTED ON MAY 7TH. I BELIEVE IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE RESPONSIVENESS DIDN'T END AFTER MAY 7TH. AFTER MAY 7TH. LISTENING TO THE THE WORDS FROM THIS ROOM, WE IMMEDIATELY WENT BACK AND CHANGED THE CAMBIER TREE, WHICH IT WAS NAMED. AFTER THE MEETING, WE CHANGED THAT. THAT TREE, WHICH I THINK IN A LOT OF IN A LOT OF WAYS, IF YOU LOOK AT IT FROM ONE ANGLE, I CAN SEE THE THE ISSUES WITH SIGHT LINES. BUT THERE ARE THREE OPENINGS THROUGHOUT THIS STRUCTURE, AND IT'S A 35 FOOT STRUCTURE. SO IT'S, IT'S RATHER LARGE, BUT WE, WE LISTEN TO YOUR REMARKS AND WE ADDED THREE MORE OPENINGS TO THAT BOTTOM. 
          SO IT'S VISUALLY THERE'S CLEAR SIGHT LINES THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PARK. AND IT ACTUALLY, IT MAKES THE WHOLE TREE LOOK A LITTLE BIT BETTER, IF YOU ASK ME. WE ALSO LIGHTEN THE COLORS A LITTLE BIT IN THAT. SO IT'S A LITTLE MORE NATURAL TO THE ENVIRONMENT HERE. AND WE ALSO ADDRESSED IMMEDIATELY FOLLOWING THE MAY 7TH MEETING, THE FISH, THAT THERE WAS A CONCERN THAT THE SIGHT LINES IN THOSE FISH, IF YOU CAN REMEMBER THAT IT WAS CLOSED OFF, THE KIDS CRAWLED THROUGH THAT THEY COULDN'T BE SEEN. SO WE COMPLETELY TOOK OFF THE PANELS THAT ARE RIGHT THROUGH THE MIDDLE. SO THERE'S 100% VISIBILITY THERE. SO BASICALLY, WE ELIMINATED ALL SIGHT LINE ISSUES THAT WERE PRESENTED HERE. AT THE LAST MEETING. YOU KNOW, AND I, AND I, I DO FEEL LIKE SIGHT LINES ARE INCREDIBLY IMPORTANT. IT'S SOMETHING IN OUR INDUSTRY THAT WE LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH A FINE TOOTH, EVERY, EVERY DESIGN WE DO, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT'S, THAT'S PART OF IT. AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT FAIRNESS IS BEING LOOKED AT AT OTHER DESIGNS AS WELL. BECAUSE I DIDN'T, I FELT LIKE IN MY, IN MY EXPERIENCE, I FELT LIKE THAT THERE MIGHT BE SOME ISSUES THAT, THAT WEREN'T TALKED ABOUT IN OTHER DESIGNS. I ALSO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE NATURAL. YOU KNOW, WE WERE WE WERE TOLD THAT WE WANTED TO BE A LITTLE MORE NATIVE TO, TO THE SOUTHWEST FLORIDA AREA. SO IMMEDIATELY OUR DESIGN TEAM, WE GOT ON AND WE CHANGED THAT HUMPBACK WHALE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS COMING OVER THE OVER THE WAVE. WE CHANGED THAT TO A MANATEE. SO IT LOOKED SAME DESIGN, JUST A LITTLE BIT MORE LOCAL. IN ADDITION, THE PYTHON, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE INTRUSIVE TO THE AREA, BUT NOT NECESSARILY LOCAL TO THE AREA. BUT WE CHANGED THAT TO AN ALLIGATOR. 
          SO AND THEN THE FISH, AS YOU KNOW, IT WAS KIND OF A, A TENNESSEE, EASTERN TENNESSEE FISH THAT WAS THERE, A RIVER FISH, BUT WE CHANGED IT TO A SNOOK. SO IT'S GOING TO HAVE THE SNOOK LINE ON IT. IT'S GOING TO LOOK JUST LIKE A SNOOK. IT IT WILL BE VERY NATIVE TO THE AREA. SO I'M KIND OF I'M TRYING TO REALLY SHOW THAT THIS WHOLE PROCESS, WE DIDN'T THINK OF TRYING TO GET FIRST PLACE IN THE BEGINNING. OUR WHOLE GOAL WAS TO FIGURE OUT EXACTLY WHAT WE WANTED, AND WE WANTED IT TO BE FIRST PLACE AT THE END. SO OUR WHOLE DESIGN GOAL WAS TO FIND OUT YOUR NEEDS, SHOW OUR COOPERATION INTERNALLY, SHOW HOW MUCH THAT WE AS A TEAM RESPOND, AND WE DO IT WITH QUICKNESS AND, AND WE DO IT PRECISE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TREE THAT WE ORIGINALLY HAD, IT WAS IN THE ORIGINAL DESIGN, BUT OUR TEAM WORKED TOGETHER TO CREATE THAT BRIDGE COMING OFF OF IT ONTO ANOTHER TREE. I MEAN, IT'S JUST AMAZING DOING THIS FOR AS LONG AS I HAVE. I, I STILL GET AMAZED AT WHAT THEY CAN, THESE PEOPLE CAN DO ON THE, ON THEIR COMPUTERS. NOW THE ENGINEERS. I'M SORRY, I GOT A LITTLE ABOVE MYSELF, BUT OUR GOAL HAS ALWAYS BEEN TO HELP CREATE THE BEST POSSIBLE DESTINATION PLAYGROUND FOR, FOR NAPLES. WE DIDN'T WANT TO CREATE A PLAYGROUND. THAT'S TYPICAL. WE WANTED IT TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S WORTHY OF BEING ON A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE MAGAZINE. YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT'S FUNCTIONAL BUT FUN AND FUNCTIONAL AND FUN, BUT AT THE SAME TIME REPRESENTS THIS CITY. I THE ISSUE WITH THIS PRESENTATION, AND I HATE THAT WE'RE EVEN IN THIS SITUATION. WE'VE WORKED SO HARD FOR IT. BUT THIS IS APRIL 7TH PRESENTATION. IT WAS ACTUALLY WHAT WAS GIVEN TO MR. GOMEZ THE WEEK PRIOR TO THE SEVENTH AS A PLACEHOLDER, BECAUSE WE ACTUALLY PRESENTED WITH OUR COMPUTER. SO IT DOESN'T REPRESENT IT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF THE A LOT OF THE RENDERINGS THAT WERE SHOWN AT THAT AT THAT EXACT MEETING. BUT TO BE HONEST, THOSE, THOSE RENDERINGS ARE NULL AND VOID AT THIS POINT ANYWAY, BECAUSE AS OF MAY 7TH, THE WHOLE DESIGN HAD CHANGED. BUT I CAN USE IT TO GO OVER SOME WARRANTY DETAILS, SOME TIMELINES THAT WE DISCUSSED PRIOR TO. AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE, BEFORE I DO THAT, TO ADDRESS COST IN THE INITIAL DESIGN THAT WE DID PRESENT ON APRIL 7TH, THAT WAS IT WAS A RIGHT AT THE 2.5 THAT WE HAD LANDED ON FOR THE FINAL ONE, BUT THAT WAS BEFORE WE DISCOUNTED THAT TREE, THE NAPLES, I'M SORRY, THE CAMBIER TREE. WE DISCOUNTED THAT ROUGHLY 300 ZERO ZERO $0. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THE ORIGINAL ORIGINAL DESIGN WOULD HAVE BEEN CLOSER TO 2.1 AND $2.2 MILLION. 
          JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE. SO I'M GOING TO KIND OF JUST KIND OF SHOW YOU MORE. SO 
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SHOW YOU THE OLD DESIGN SHOW, HOW IT IS SIMILAR TO SOME OF OUR COMPETITORS, BUT HOW IT'S EVOLVED. IF YOU, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THE, THE PRIOR DESIGN IN FRONT OF YOU OR THE, THE MOST UP TO DATE DESIGN IN FRONT OF YOU, BUT YOU CAN KIND OF FOLLOW THROUGH AND SEE HOW THE DESIGN WENT. SO AT THE BEGINNING, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT A LEGACY FOR THE CAMBIER PARK. 
          WE TALKED ABOUT WILLIAM H. CAMBIER, WHO WAS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL DIRECTORS CREATING STREETS. AND, YOU KNOW, HE, HIS WHOLE VISION WAS TO HAVE A HEART IN THE CITY, A PLAYGROUND, CAMBIER PARK WHERE EVERYBODY COULD KIND OF COMMUTE. SO THAT WAS OUR WHOLE BEGINNING THING IS TO MAKE THIS SOMETHING THAT THE THAT'S MULTI-GENERATIONAL THAT THE WHOLE FAMILY CAN COME TO. AND, YOU KNOW, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT BEFORE, OUR, OUR DESIGN WAS, WAS BASED ON THE SWISS FAMILY ROBINSON THEME. WE WANTED SOMETHING ADVENTUROUS, SOMETHING EXPLORATIVE, SOMETHING THAT REALLY CAPTURED KIDS IMAGINATION, SOMETHING VERY MUCH NEEDED IN TODAY'S SOCIETY, THE CUSTOM TREE STRUCTURE. THIS IS KIND OF HOW IT STARTED OFF. AND I WILL ADDRESS THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE A METAL SLIDE BECAUSE WE NONE OF US WANT THAT. WE ALL GREW UP IN THE 80S AND OR WERE THERE IN THE 80S, AND THAT WAS NO FUN. BUT THIS TREE IS, IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, COULD BE IN THE MIDDLE OF ANIMAL KINGDOM. IT'S, IT'S NOT YOUR TYPICAL GFR. SEE, THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT STANDS OUT AND IT'S GOING TO BE ONE ONE OF A KIND, NOTHING ELSE YOU'VE SEEN UP TO THIS POINT IN THE PRESENTATIONS IS CUSTOMIZED TO THIS EXTENT. 
          THIS IS YOUR DESIGN. THIS IS A ONE OF ONE ONE ACROSS THE COUNTRY. WE HAVE NOT MADE THIS FOR ANYBODY ELSE. WE HAVE NOT LICENSED IT TO ANYBODY ELSE. THIS WILL BE A ONE ON ONE STATEMENT. AS ONE OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS WAS MENTIONING, I THINK IT WAS THE REFERENCE WAS BOSTON AND IT COULD BE YOUR OWN LITTLE MAKE WAY FOR DUCKLINGS. I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO IN THAT IN THAT IN THAT OFFER AS WELL. WE PUT A LOT OF TIME AND ENERGY INTO SOME TREMENDOUS DESIGN INTENT INTO THIS, BECAUSE IT IS A LANDMARK PIECE AND IT IS SO IMPORTANT TO THE CITY OF NAPLES. OBVIOUSLY, EVERY DESIGN WE DO, WE REALLY WANT TO EMPHASIZE CONNECTIVITY, YOU KNOW, PROPER GROWTH. AND FOR KIDS TO NOT WE WANT THEM TO GET STRONGER, TO BE ABLE TO, TO MATURE THROUGHOUT THE PLAYGROUND. AND, AND THAT WAS AS EVERY DESIGN, YOU'RE GOING TO REALLY FOCUS ON GIVING SOMETHING FOR EVERYBODY. THIS IS JUST, HERE'S KIND OF AN EXAMPLE OF WE HAVE THE PLAYGROUND THAT WE DID WHAT WE DID ON ALL THE POSTS. AND THIS WAS, THIS WAS, I THINK I WILL THIS IS WHERE WE CHANGED WHEN WE TOOK A 180 AFTER THIS MEETING ON APRIL 7TH, WE THOUGHT THAT WE COULD COVER THE POST WITH BARK AND THAT THAT WOULD GIVE US THAT NATURAL FEEL, BUT WE DECIDED TO JUST DO AWAY WITH POSTS IN GENERAL BECAUSE IT REALLY IT'S STILL KIND OF LOOKS THE SAME. IT'S JUST GOT SOMETHING COVERING IT. SO WE WENT A WHOLE DIFFERENT ROUTE WITH THE, WITH THE DRY WOOD AND THE SPIDER WEB AND MAKING SURE THAT EVERYTHING FELT EXACTLY LIKE IT CAME OUT OF NATURE. NOT THAT IT WAS MADE TO LOOK LIKE NATURE. SO, YOU KNOW, ORIGINALLY I THOUGHT OUR DESIGN WAS AWESOME. I'M TELLING YOU, IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST DESIGNS I'VE SEEN, BUT IT DID NOT FIT EXACTLY WHERE WE NEEDED TO GO WITH THIS PROJECT. SO I'M PROUD THAT WE WERE ABLE TO ADAPT. AND THAT KIND OF LEADS ME TO THE NEXT THING DESIGN, RESPONSIVENESS AND FLEXIBILITY. WE'VE PROVEN THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS. I DON'T THINK THERE'S A TEAM OUT THERE THAT IS MORE COHESIVE AND RESPONSIVE TO THE IDEAS AND FEEDBACK THAT WE'VE RECEIVED. OUR TEAM USES. THIS WAS PART OF THE LAST SCOPE, BUT OUR PROFESSIONAL DOCUMENTS, OUR TEAM, OUR TECHNOLOGY IS UNMATCHED BY ANY OTHERS AND THE EXPERIENCE WE HAVE ON OUR TEAMS AND OUR DESIGNERS IS IS SECOND TO NONE. NEXT, THIS IS KIND OF A JUST A EXAMPLE. THIS WAS ONE OF OUR DESIGNS AT ANOTHER LOCATION. BUT JUST TO GIVE YOU A LIVE PICTURE OF WHAT OUR GFC PRODUCTS LOOK LIKE, WE'RE WIDELY KNOWN AS HAVING THE BEST. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU COULD ASK CHATGPT IF YOU WANT TO. WE ARE, WE ARE. WE STAND ABOVE OUR COMPETITION, I FEEL, AND OUR REALISM AND THE TEXTURE OF IT, HOW IT FEELS AND HOW IT LOOKS. SO I'M REALLY PROUD OF WHAT WE DO THERE. OUR GFC IS MADE IN-HOUSE AT OUR FACTORY, ONE OF TWO FACTORIES THAT WE HAVE, SO IT'S NOT A THIRD PARTY. WE OWN IT, OWN THE DISTRIBUTION, WE OWN THE DESIGN SO WE CAN WE DON'T HAVE TO FARM THAT OUT. IT IS PART OF OUR INTERNAL GAME TIME CORPORATE MANUFACTURING STRUCTURE. HERE'S ANOTHER JUST EXAMPLE OF IT. I MEAN THE REALISM IS OUTSTANDING. 
          HERE ARE SOME SOME UNITS THAT WE PUT IN AS WELL. JUST TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER IDEA, THIS 
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PLAYGROUND HERE, JUST WE USE THIS TO SHOW OFF OUR CONNECTIVITY, HOW WE CAN REALLY CREATE A, YOU KNOW, ALL KIND OF BRIDGES AND WAYS THAT YOU CAN MOVE THROUGHOUT THE PLAYGROUND WITHOUT EVEN HITTING THE GROUND. THIS WAS ACTUALLY ON THE COVER OF A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTURE MAGAZINE. AND ALL, ALL OF THAT FEEDBACK AND ALL THE ORIGINAL DESIGNS, WHICH WERE NOT THE FINAL DESIGN, ENABLED US TO ALIGN WITH THE VISION THAT THE COMMITTEE WAS ASKING US FOR, BASED UPON THEIR RESEARCH, BASED UPON THEIR WORK WITH THE TOWN AND SURVEYS AND NAPLES RESIDENTS. AND AGAIN, THOSE AREN'T THE DESIGNS THAT YOU VOTED ON, BUT THOSE WERE PART OF THE PROCESS OF US GETTING THAT FINAL DESIGN. CAN WE OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS? AND I KNOW, MR. CITY MANAGER, YOU SAID THERE WAS POTENTIALLY SOME VAGUENESS IN SOME THINGS. I'M HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT AND CLEAR ANY OF THAT UP. YEAH, NO YOU'RE FINE. I MEAN, I'M JUST GOING TO SAY THIS BEFORE COUNCIL STARTS ASKING THE QUESTIONS. I WANT TO BE VERY CLEAR FROM THE STANDPOINT THIS IS BEFORE YOU AGAIN, SO YOU COULD ASK ANY QUESTIONS YOU WANTED AND HAVE COMFORT IN THE PROCESS. AND I WILL RESERVE THE RIGHT AS THE CITY MANAGER TO MAKE SURE THE PROCESS IS FAIR. AND THAT IS BEFORE YOU IN A MANNER THAT ARE APPROPRIATE. MY EMOTIONS TO YOU, AS IF STAFF DOES WHATEVER THEY DO. AND IT WORKS INDEPENDENTLY OF ME. AND I SOMEHOW FELT SOMETHING DIFFERENT SHOULD BE DONE. ISN'T THAT NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH. 
          MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, I WANT YOU TO ASK THE QUESTIONS YOU WOULD HAVE ASKED THEM THE FIRST TIME. 
          CONSIDER EVERYTHING THAT YOU'VE SEEN, HEARD, PRESENTED, AND I WANT YOU TO SELECT WHOEVER YOU WANT AS THE BEST CANDIDATE. THAT'S WHATEVER I WANT TO DELIVER. ONCE YOU'VE DONE THAT, NOTHING MORE AND NOTHING LESS. AND ANY IMPLICATION, ANY IMPLICATION OTHERWISE IS IT'S JUST NOT THERE. WHAT I WANT IS WHAT YOU WANT AND I'LL DELIVER ON THAT. AND BEYOND THAT, THAT'S THAT'S ALL. SO I WANT FORGIVE ME BEING EMOTIONAL BY BEING QUESTIONED THAT WAY. ONE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OTHER. I WANT WHAT YOU WANT. YEAH. ASK WHAT YOU WANT AND GET WHAT YOU WANT. PERIOD. OPEN ENDED QUESTIONS THAT WE HAD WHEN WE WERE SELECTING. SO IT'S A WORTHY PROCESS TO GO THROUGH AND MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE ARE CHANGES TO BE MADE, IT WAS GOING TO COME BACK, BUT WE WEREN'T REALLY CLEAR. I THINK IT WAS VERY KIND OF VAGUE ON HOW THAT WAS COMING BACK. SO YES, COUNCIL MEMBER, THAT IS MY FIRST QUESTION BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN A PROCESS, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, AND VERY DYNAMIC PROCESS. HOW'S THAT? VERY MUCH SO. WHEN DO WE SEE THE FINAL WHATEVER AND WHEN? IT'S HARD TO PROVE SOMETHING UNTIL YOU SEE THE FINAL DEAL. YEAH. AS WE INDICATED LAST TIME, WE STILL INTEND TO TRY TO BASED ON AFTER YOU'VE HEARD EVERYTHING TODAY, EITHER REAFFIRMING OR CHANGING, WHATEVER YOU DECIDE TO DO IS TO ENGAGE FOR CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS AND STILL BRING IT TO YOU BY JUNE 17TH. THAT WOULD BE OUR HOPE. AND SO BY JUNE 17TH WE WOULD SEE THIS IS THE STRUCTURE, WHAT WE HOPE TO BE FINAL DESIGN, FINAL PRICING AND EVERYTHING ELSE. OKAY. AND THEN. WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE PRICING JUST NOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THIS PRESENTATION'S PRICING. IS THE PRICING ON THE ONE WE SAW LAST TIME? IS IT DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS LAST TIME? WELL, TO BE THE, THE, THE FINAL PRESENTATION THAT YOU SAW ON MAY 7TH WAS A $3.5 MILLION PLAYGROUND PRICED AT $2.5 MILLION, WHICH THIS IS THE MAN THAT WILL NEGOTIATE THAT AND WE WILL GET THE PRICE. 
          WE DON'T LOSE BIDS LIKE THIS BECAUSE OF PRICE. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN WRITE THAT DOWN AS WE ENTER INTO ANY NEGOTIATION. I THINK WHAT JIM WAS TRYING TO RELAY IS WHEN WE GET TO THIS POINT IN THE PAST, AS THE CITY ATTORNEY, YOU KNOW, MENTIONED IN THE MINUTES AND THE PREVIOUS MEETING THAT YOU YOU START THE NEGOTIATION PROCESS, IT IS A LARGE MASTER PLAN PROJECT THAT IS GOING TO BE A JEWEL FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES. AND WE DO YOU KNOW, A NUMBER OF THESE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. SO WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT PROCESS. AND THE PRICE THAT WAS GIVEN TO CHAD PRESENTED TO YOU WAS THE PRICE FOR WHAT YOU SAW ON THAT LAST MEETING, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT WAS MY QUESTION. OKAY. MY THIRD QUESTION. OH, WARRANTY. 
          REMIND ME, CAN I GET A REMINDER OF WARRANTY AS, AS, AS CHAD SAID, WE, WE HAVE AN INDUSTRY 
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LEADING WARRANTY AS ALL THREE OF THE COMPANIES DO. ANYBODY THAT'S AT THE TOP LEVEL, I THINK CHAD COMMENTED ON THAT IN HIS PRESENTATION. THEY'RE ALL EXTREMELY CLOSE THERE. SOME HAVE WORDED A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY, BUT OURS, THE DIFFERENTIATION IN OURS IS OURS IS BACKED BY A $51 MILLION INDEMNITY INSURANCE POLICY BECAUSE OF THE WAY WE MANUFACTURE OUR PRODUCT AND THE QUALITY OF OUR PRODUCT. I THINK CHAD MENTIONED THAT IN HIS PRESENTATION AS WELL. SO AND AGAIN, LIKE, LIKE WE JIM JUST SAID ON PRICE, WE DON'T LOSE PROJECTS OF THIS MAGNITUDE IN SIZE ON WARRANTY. AND SOMETIMES WE NEGOTIATE THE WARRANTIES DEPENDING ON THE PRODUCT. AND THAT'S FANTASTIC. I'M PRETTY BLACK AND WHITE GUY. WHAT'S THE WARRANTY? RIGHT. RIGHT HERE. WE'RE GOING TO PULL IT RIGHT UP. I'M GOING TO GO. YEAH. SO FIRST ON THE GFC, WHICH THAT'S NOT LISTED ON HERE, BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE HAVE A 20 YEAR WARRANTY ON GFC. THAT'S OUR CUSTOM STUFF THE TREE. SO THAT'S A GOOD WARRANTY ON THAT. 
          WE HAVE A LIFETIME WARRANTY. AND THIS IS IN IN YOUR PRESENTATION ON OUR POWER SCALE, PRIME TIME AGGREGATE UPRIGHTS AND HARDWARE, WHICH SOME OF THAT IS IN THERE. WE HAVE 15 YEAR STRUCTURAL STEEL COMPONENTS, METAL DECKS AND LOOPS, ROTATIONALLY MOLDED PRODUCTS LIKE THE SLIDES, PLASTIC COMPONENTS, TEN YEARS ON SITE FURNISHINGS IN GT SHADE PRODUCTS, FIVE YEARS ON, TUFF FORMS, NET CLIMBERS, AND THEN THREE YEARS ON LABOR EXCLUSIVE TO DRP. WE ALSO SOMETIMES WILL ON CUSTOM MATERIAL. PROJECTS LIKE THIS WILL NEGOTIATE A WARRANTY BASED UPON SOMETHING BEING BRAND NEW AND CUSTOM TO THE CITY OF NAPLES. DOES THE GROUND COVER FALL INTO ANY OF THESE CATEGORIES HERE, OR IS THAT SOMETHING SEPARATE? GROUND COVER SURFACING? YES. SURFACING IS IS SEPARATE. WE HAVE WE DID PUT IT IN PLACE, I BELIEVE. 
          RIGHT? YEP. AND THAT'S A FIVE YEAR WARRANTY. WE DID NOT DO TURF, WHICH SOME OF THE OTHER MANUFACTURERS DID. AND THERE'S DIFFERENT WARRANTIES ON TURF. AGAIN, ON PROJECTS OF THIS SIZE. 
          WE LOOK AT EVERYTHING DURING THE NEGOTIATION PROCESS. JUST I'M, I'M SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR BECAUSE WE'VE BUILT SOME STUFF IN THE ATHLETIC FACILITY WITH THE PORT IN PLACE, YOU I'M ASSUMING YOU USED THE TYPE YOU CAN PATCH AND REPAIR. YES, SIR. OKAY. YES. AND ONE THING YOU'LL NOTICE ON THE DESIGNS IS, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF INTRICATE YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A SNAKE IN THE DESIGNS OF FISH, BUT ON THE USE ZONES, LIKE WHERE THERE'S A SWING, IT'S INTENTIONAL WHERE THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A SEAM. SO THAT WHEN YOU DO THE PATCH WORK, SAY THAT IT'S A SWING OR DRAGGING THEIR FEET THERE, YOU COULD JUST COME IN AND FIX THAT AREA. 
          THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS. YEAH. SO INTENTIONAL IN THE DESIGN IS THAT THOUGHT PROCESS. OKAY. THE LAST COMPONENT IS A THREE YEAR LABOR WARRANTY EXCLUSIVE TO DRP. DOMINICA RECREATION PRODUCTS THAT THEY PUT OUT. OUR DISTRIBUTOR PARTNER. AND THAT WOULD ENTAIL ANYTHING, ANYTHING INSTALL RELATED, YOU KNOW, RIGHT. SO STUFF'S GOING TO GET DURING THAT THREE YEARS, IF THERE'S A MAINTENANCE ISSUE, IF SOMETHING COMES, YOU KNOW, THEY WILL COME OUT AND ADDRESS IT AS PART OF THIS PACKAGE. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON, COULD YOU TALK TO US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR PROCESS FOR REPAIR? SO IF WE HAVE SOME TYPE OF DAMAGE AND WE NEED YOU GUYS TO COME IN AND DO STUFF TO, TO GET IT BACK UP TO, TO WORKING ORDER, HOW CLOSE ARE YOU? HOW QUICKLY DO YOU RESPOND? WHAT COULD WE EXPECT IN REFERENCE TO THAT? I'LL LET YOU ANSWER THE DOMINICA PORTION OF IT. I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THE FACTORY PORTION OF IT. I TAKE PRIDE ON RESPONDING. DAY OF AND WHERE WHERE ARE YOU LOCATED? I'M LOCATED IN SARASOTA, FLORIDA. OKAY. YEAH. SO I'VE BEEN HERE FOR 18 YEARS NOW. SO I'M I'M IN NAPLES BASICALLY EVERY OTHER DAY. I FEEL LIKE, BUT YEAH, I'M ON THE WEST COAST. OUR, OUR, OUR DRP DOMINICA IS LOCATED IN LONGWOOD, FLORIDA, AND OUR MANUFACTURER IS IN FORT PAYNE, ALABAMA. SO A TEN HOUR DRIVE. ANYWAY, WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT WE HAVE A DEDICATED PARTS TEAM IN-HOUSE AT DRP, VERY UNIQUE TO THIS TO AN AGENCY. WE'RE USUALLY THE REPS LIKE, LIKE WE WOULD HANDLE ALL REPAIRS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT IT'S SOMETHING I TAKE. I, YOU KNOW, COMMUNICATE WITH THE CUSTOMER. I SEND IT TO MY PARTS DEPARTMENT AND THEY ARE ON IT. 
          WE HAVE ONE OF THE MOST, I GUESS, QUICK, EFFICIENT METHODS OF, OF REPLACEMENT PARTS THAT I'VE SEEN AND I'VE WORKED OTHER PLACES AND I'M VERY, VERY HAPPY AND PROUD OF THAT. GREAT. THANK 
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YOU. HAVE A 58 YEAR RELATIONSHIP WITH DOMINICA RECREATION PRODUCTS. THEY'RE VERY WELL SCHOOLED IN HOW OUR PROCESSES WORK AS WELL. THAT GETS SUBMITTED TO US IMMEDIATELY. WE HAVE A SEPARATE LINE FOR THE STANDARD PRODUCTS AND THE STANDARD MATERIALS RIGHT HERE IN FORT PAYNE, ALABAMA. IT'S AN 11 HOUR DRIVE FROM THAT FACTORY HERE. SO WE PRIDE OURSELVES ON, YOU KNOW, BEING LOCAL HERE AND CAN GET PRODUCT HERE, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO YOU HAVE SOME YELLOW TAPE, THERE'S SOME VANDALISM, YOU WANT THAT PARK OPEN. AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT MORE THAN ANYBODY ELSE. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY A LITTLE BIT WHAT HE JUST ASKED. SO YOU'RE SAYING YOU HAVE A DEDICATED TEAM THAT THIS IS WHAT THEY DO ALL THE TIME, SO THEY KNOW ALL THIS STUFF FITS TOGETHER, HOW TO REPAIR IT, WHAT ORDER THE THE ORDER OF EVENTS IN REPAIR. AND THESE AREN'T SUBS. THESE ARE YOUR GUYS. AND THIS IS ALL THEY DO. YES. EVERY ALL OF OUR INSTALLERS ARE GAME TIME CERTIFIED. AND WE HAVE TWO TWO SOUTHWEST, IF YOU WILL, CREWS. AND THEN WE HAVE. WE'VE GOT A TOTAL OF FIVE CREWS THROUGHOUT FLORIDA. BUT YES, THEY'RE ALL CERTIFIED AND READY TO GO. THANK YOU. YES. JUST TO VERIFY THE MODIFICATIONS THAT PRICE NEUTRAL LIKE THE SWAPPING OUT THE STAKE TO A ALLIGATOR AND THE OPENINGS AND THE IS THAT, IS THAT GOING TO BE IT'LL EITHER BE PRICE NEUTRAL OR IT'LL, IT'LL, IT'S NOT GOING TO INCREASE THE PRICE. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE INCREASED. OKAY. WE TOOK IT'LL DECREASE. YES, SIR. WE TOOK YOUR COMMENTS. AND THAT'S WE WE WANT WHAT YOU WANT IN YOUR COMMUNITY WANTS. OKAY. SO IN ADDITION, I FORGOT TO MENTION THIS EARLIER. WE, WE ALSO INCLUDED THE, THE DRAMA, THE THEATER STAGE, AND WE ACTUALLY MADE SOME IMPROVEMENTS TO IT, CUSTOMIZING THAT, PUTTING SOME SEATING AROUND THERE AND CREATING TWO MUSICAL AREAS ON EACH SIDE. SO I HAVE VISUALS OF SOME OF THIS, BUT WE, THIS WASN'T SOMETHING THAT WE WERE NECESSARILY TOLD TO PRESENT. WE WERE NOT TOLD TO PRESENT IT TODAY. SO IT CAN BE SHARED AT THE NEXT PROCESS. THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. I HAVE PETERMAN, SCHULTZ AND THEN BLANKENSHIP. OKAY. BLANKENSHIP. SCHULTZ. OKAY. ANYWAY. IF YOU FIGURED OR CALCULATED IN A MODULAR PRICING SYSTEM, THAT THERE ARE PARTS OF THIS WHOLE THAT MAYBE WE COULD TAKE IT OUT BECAUSE THE, THE DOCK DOLLAR DIFFERENTIAL IS PRETTY, PRETTY SIGNIFICANT, BUT IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU WOULD HAVE OF CARDINALITY OUT OF THIS? THE HOW MUCH IS THE TREE FEATURE, FOR EXAMPLE? AND I'M GOING TO LISTEN TO THE THREE YEAR AND EIGHT MONTH OLD DAD AND GRANDPA. YOU GOT THIS. THOSE ARE THOSE ARE MY FIRST TWO. YEAH. I MEAN, EVERYTHING IS, IS A LINE ITEM AS FAR AS THE TREE IS ONE. AND THEN WHEN YOU GO INTO PLAYGROUNDS, EVEN AS YOU CHANGE COMPONENTS ON THE PLAYGROUND, THE THE PRICE ADJUSTS AS YOU DO THAT IN THE DESIGN. SO YES, THE PRICE CAN BE WITH MINOR ADJUSTMENTS CAN CHANGE THE PRICE QUITE A BIT. 
          IT'S, IT'S BASICALLY JUST FINDING, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT SWEET SPOT, IF YOU WILL, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO ADJUST IT BASED UPON THE FINAL DESIGN AND WHERE YOU NEED TO GO WITH IT, WHAT OPTIONS YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO. WE HAVEN'T MADE IT YET. WE'VE PRICED IT OUT. WE KNOW WHAT THE MATERIALS COST, WE KNOW WHAT THE DESIGN. WE'VE DONE A NUMBER OF THESE. BUT THERE IS THE OPPORTUNITY. EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT A MODULAR SEMI POST AND PLATFORM, IF YOU WILL, SYSTEM THAT YOU MIGHT SEE OUT THERE, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE PART YOU DID NOT WANT TO GO THAT ROUTE. YOU WANTED A UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY. YOU DID NOT WANT TO LOOK LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE. SO MOST OF THIS IS CUSTOM FOR YOU IN A HYBRID OF CUSTOM AND STANDARD. SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO REDUCE PRICE IF NEEDED. AND WE JUST NEED, YOU KNOW, WE CAN LOOK AT THAT THROUGH DESIGN. WE CAN LOOK AT THAT THROUGH MATERIALS, BUT WE DO THAT QUITE A BIT. HAVE YOU FORMED OPINIONS NOW? DO YOU FEEL YOU'RE BEING BEING TREATED FAIRLY? IN THE BEGINNING, I ABSOLUTELY SAID THE PROCESS WAS ONE OF THE FAIREST THAT I'VE EVER BEEN A PART OF. AND DO YOU STILL BELIEVE THAT IS THE CASE, THAT WE'VE GONE AS FAR AS WE ABSOLUTELY SHOULD FOR DUE DILIGENCE? NO, NO, ABSOLUTELY. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU. 
          BLANKENSHIP. THANK YOU. TO FOLLOW UP, COUNCILMAN SCHULTZ, WHAT I HEARD THEM SAY IS THAT THEY'LL GIVE US WHATEVER WE WANT FOR OUR $2 MILLION BUDGET. IT'S INTERESTING HOW IT'S INTERESTING HOW THAT GETS HOW THAT GETS INTERPRETED SOMETIMES. THAT'S ME AND MY BIG MOUTH. AND AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE. LOTS OF GOOD PEOPLE IN FORT PAYNE, ALABAMA, BY THE WAY. I'VE BEEN THERE. THANK YOU. GREW UP NEAR THERE. I'LL PASS THAT ALONG. SO YOU MENTIONED, I BELIEVE YOU 
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WATCHED THE THE RECORDING OF OUR MEETING, HEARD WHAT WE SAID, THE CONCERN ABOUT BEING ABLE TO SEE WHAT WAS GOING ON INSIDE THE TREE OR IN THE FISH AND THAT YOU MADE SOME CHANGES. IS THAT DO YOU HAVE PICTURES OF THAT IN THESE SLIDES? I DIDN'T SEE PHYSICAL PICTURES. WE DO, BUT WE WERE WE WERE INSTRUCTED THAT WE COULD NOT, YOU KNOW, SHOW THOSE TODAY. OH, PERSONALLY, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE MAIN ONE OF THE MAIN CONCERNS I HEARD IN THE LAST MEETING. BUT MAYBE YOU CAN PROVIDE THEM AFTERWARDS AND WHATEVER YOU WANT TO PASS THEM AROUND LATER. HOWEVER, YOU GUYS THINK WE SHOULD HANDLE IT. WHAT WE WANTED TO START WITH WAS THE EXACT PRESENTATIONS THAT WERE DELIVERED, AS WAS ILLUSTRATED, WHEN HE HAD THE CONVERSATION, THAT THERE WAS A PRESENTATION THAT WAS GIVEN, AND THEN THAT WAS A PLACEHOLDER, THEN IT WAS MODIFIED, WHICH WAS IN PART WHY WE WANTED TO GO BACK TO THAT ORIGINAL VERSION. IF YOU'VE ASKED TO ELICIT WHAT STEPS OR WHAT CONSIDERATIONS THEY'VE ALREADY HAD, AND THEY HAVE SOMETHING TO DEMONSTRATE TO YOU, UNLESS THERE'S SOME REASON OTHERWISE, I, I DEFER TO YOU. YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT. YOUR REQUEST, SIR? PERSONALLY, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT OTHERS, BUT I'D LIKE TO SEE IF YOU COULD JUST HAND THOSE. WELL, TO THE CLERK. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO TRY AND PUT THEM ON THE OVER SCREEN. I, I WOULD YEAH, I THINK THIS WOULD JUST BE A MATTER OF YOU GETTING CONTEXT FROM WHAT YOUR REQUEST WAS. OKAY. NOTHING MORE. YEAH. I'LL LET HER THE CLERK PASS THEM. ARE THEY SINGLE PICTURES. SO THEY NEED TO STAY AS A PACKET. YEAH. THERE'S ONLY FIVE. YOU COULD GIVE THEM SOME CONTEXT, JIM. OKAY. I JUST HAVE TO STAY ON THE MIC, THAT'S ALL. GOTCHA, GOTCHA. YEAH, THANKS. 
          WE CAN LOOK AT THEM AND THE CLERK CAN MAKE THEM PART OF IT. YEAH, BUT. AND IF YOU HAVE OTHER QUESTIONS. NO, THAT WAS IT. I REALLY WANTED TO SEE HOW THAT WAS. YOU MENTIONED ANOTHER CHANGE. SO WE CHANGED THE THE FISH STILL. OH THE MUSIC, THE MUSIC STAYS THE MUSIC. THE STAGE IS THERE. OKAY. WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT. COUNCIL. HOLD ON. WE GOTTA TALK ONE AT A TIME. 
          BLANKENSHIP. OKAY. IS THAT THIS ONE? YEAH, THAT'S. DOES IT HAVE THE MUSIC MUSIC ON IT YET? OKAY. 
          LIKE, LIKE I SAID, THESE ARE JUST KIND OF WE, WE'VE BEEN IN DESIGN MEETINGS. WE DON'T HAVE THE COMPLETE RENDERING DONE YET, BUT THESE ARE SO YOU CAN ADJUST THEM FURTHER BASED ON THE COURSE AND EVERYTHING. OKAY. OF COURSE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. YEAH. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION ON JUST CLARIFYING THE WARRANTY BECAUSE THAT WAS REALLY WE STARTED TO GO DOWN THAT, BUT WE DIDN'T REALLY GET INTO THAT SPECIFICS. CAN YOU JUST TELL ME WHAT THE IMMEDIATE FIVE YEAR WARRANTY ADDRESSES, JUST BECAUSE IT'S TERMINOLOGY THAT YOU USE? SOME OF THE TOUGH FORMS ARE WHAT TOUGH FORMS ARE A PREMADE G, F, R, C TYPE OF PRODUCT, NOT THE ONES THAT WE HAD PUT IN YOUR PARTICULAR CUSTOM AREA. TOUGH NET CLIMBERS OBVIOUSLY ARE NET STRUCTURES, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, SELF-EXPLANATORY THERE AND AND THEN TOUGH FORMS ARE A GFR, WHICH IS A PLASTIC SHINY SCULPTURED UNIT. OKAY. AND THEN WHEN YOU GO UP TO TEN YEARS SITE FURNISHINGS, JUST SPECIFICALLY TABLES, SEATING, BENCHES. WASTEBASKETS WOULD BE UNDER THAT SITE FURNISHING CATEGORIES, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS AROUND THE PARK. AND THEN OUR SHADE PRODUCTS, OUR SHADE PRODUCTS THAT WE MANUFACTURE AS WELL THAT YOU MANUFACTURE. YES WE DO. OKAY. AND WHAT ARE THE METAL DECKS AND LOOPS? METAL DECKS ARE FOR POST AND PLATFORM, WHICH YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT ON YOUR, ON YOUR PARTICULAR DESIGN. THAT IS FOR MORE OF OUR POST AND PLATFORM. SO THE LANDING DECKS OR THE TRANSITION DECKS, WHEN YOU HAVE RAMPS, ACCESSIBLE RAMPS THAT ARE GOING UP TO PLAYGROUNDS, TYPICALLY IN A POST AND PLATFORM SETTING, I DON'T BELIEVE THERE'S ANY. YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT RELATES TO, TO YOUR DESIGN. THIS IS OUR OVERALL SUMMARY OF OUR VERY EXTENSIVE LIFETIME WARRANTY AND JUST DELINEATED BY LINE BY EACH TYPE OF MATERIAL AS WELL. OKAY, SO THE PLASTIC COMPONENTS AND IT SAYS NON PRORATED. CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN WHAT THAT MEANS. WHAT UNDER 15 YEARS NON 
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PRORATED FULL. SO THE NON PRORATED THERE'S CERTAIN PLASTIC COMPONENTS THAT ARE PRORATED OVER TIME. SO ONCE YOU GET PAST THAT 15 YEAR WARRANTY WE WOULD HAVE A SLIDING SCALE ON COST OF THOSE REPLACEMENT UNITS. GOT IT. OKAY. COUNCIL. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. I JUST HAVE YOUR DESIGN TEAM WORK ON THAT MANATEE A LITTLE BIT MORE. YEAH, THEY APPRECIATE THE EFFORT, BUT IT NEEDS A LITTLE WORK. YEAH. YEAH, IT'LL. I NOTICED THAT JUST A SECOND AGO. 
          IT WILL RIVAL THE TREE WHEN WE'RE WHEN WE'RE THROUGH. BUT IT WAS A VERY QUICK TURNAROUND. 
          BUT WE WANTED TO START WORKING ON IT RIGHT AWAY BASED UPON YOUR FEEDBACK. OKAY. THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS AVAILABLE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE AND COMING BACK AND GIVING US MORE DETAIL. YOU'RE WELCOME, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU ALL. 
          COUNCIL MEMBERS. THANK YOU, TOWN MANAGER. I APPRECIATE YOU. APPRECIATE THE TIME. THANK YOU. 
          AND YES, FELIX. YEAH. SO WE HAVE A 1230 TIME CERTAIN. SO I THINK WE MAY HAVE TO BIFURCATE THIS AND SEE IF WE COULD AT LEAST GET THEIR PRESENTATION AND THEN MAYBE COME BACK FOR DELIBERATIONS AFTER THE TIME. CERTAIN. OR IS IT I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG WE HAVE FOR THE COURT REPORTER I'LL DEFER TO MATTHEW. OH, THAT'S RIGHT, BECAUSE WE GAVE HIM A TIME SPAN. CORRECT. 
          WHILE WE'RE BRINGING IN THE NEXT ONE, I CAN JUST MAKE A CALL REAL QUICK AND SEE IF THE COURT REPORTER HAS AN ADDITIONAL 1520 MINUTES IF COUNCIL WOULD LIKE. WELL, BUT YOU ALSO DON'T WANT TO RUSH THE PRESENTATION. YEAH. HOW MUCH TIME DO WE GIVE THEM? I THINK THE FIRST ONE WAS ABOUT 32 MINUTES. THIS ONE, BASED ON THE COMMENTS BEFORE, WAS PROBABLY CLOSER TO 40. OKAY. WELL, THAT BEING SAID, I THINK THE JUDGMENT IS TO GO TO THE EXECUTIVE SESSION SO THAT WE CAN THEN COME BACK, FINISH THE THIRD PRESENTATION AND. 
          DELIBERATE. DO YOU THINK WE NEED THE FULL HOUR FOR THE EXECUTIVE SESSION? NO. SO MAYBE YOU CAN LET THEM KNOW THAT THEY CAN HANG CLOSE BY. AND BASED ON MY ANNOUNCEMENT, I WAS GOING TO I WAS GOING TO KIND OF MODIFY THAT TIME, BUT THAT'S WHY I ASKED FELIX TO STICK AROUND. 
          [14.D) Executive Session in regards to City of Naples v. City of Naples Airport Authority, et al; Case No. 2026-CA-001094, 20th Judicial Circuit, in and for Collier County, Florida. (Time Certain 12:30pm) (Supplement 2/Added Item).]
YEAH, YEAH. OKAY. WITH THAT, WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A. MAY I ANNOUNCE THE EXECUTIVE SESSION? YEAH. WE'RE GOING TO TAKE A PAUSE ON PAUSE ON THIS ITEM AND GO TO OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          AND MR. MCCONNELL, IF YOU'LL MAKE THE ANNOUNCEMENT. YES. THANK YOU SO MUCH, MAYOR. AT THE MAY 18TH, 2026, CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP PURSUANT TO 286.011 SUBPARAGRAPH EIGHT, THE CITY ATTORNEY ANNOUNCED HIS REQUEST FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION IN CASE CITY OF NAPLES. 
          GUYS, SO SORRY. IN CASE. CITY OF NAPLES VERSUS CITY OF NAPLES. AIRPORT AUTHORITY ET AL. CASE NUMBER 2026CA01094. AND IN FORT COLLIER COUNTY, FLORIDA CITY COUNCIL AGREED TO MEET IN EXECUTIVE SESSION DURING ITS CITY COUNCIL MEETING ON MAY 20TH, 2026, AS REQUESTED BY THE CITY ATTORNEY. AT APPROXIMATELY 1230 IN THE CONFERENCE ROOM ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF CITY HALL, AND A PUBLIC NOTICE WAS POSTED ON MAY 19TH. THE EXECUTIVE SESSION IS EXPECTED TO LAST APPROXIMATELY ONE HOUR, WILL MOST LIKELY END EARLIER IN WHICH WE WILL RECONVENE. THIS SESSION IS LIMITED TO SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATIONS OR STRATEGY RELATED TO LITIGATION EXPENDITURES. THE ENTIRE SESSION IS BEING RECORDED. NO ACTION WILL BE TAKEN. ANY ACTION REQUIRED BY CITY COUNCIL WILL HAPPEN AT A FUTURE PUBLIC HEARING OR ONCE WE RECONVENE, FOLLOWING INDIVIDUALS WILL BE PRESENT DURING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. MAYOR TERESA HEITMANN, COUNCIL MEMBERS BILL KRAMER, LINDA PENNIMAN, BERNARD BARTON, TED BLANKENSHIP, JOHN KROLL, SCOTT SCHULTZ, CITY MANAGER GARY YOUNG, CITY ATTORNEY MATTHEW MCCONNELL, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY ANDREW DICKMAN, AND A REPRESENTATIVE FROM DINES COURT REPORTING. AND WITH THAT 
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WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE THE 2 TO 5 PLAY AREA HERE, WHICH IS FOR THE YOUNGER PLAYERS. SO MY 
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VISION FOR THIS IS THIS PART HERE IS WHERE WE'RE GOING FROM LAND TO SEA. SO THE GREEN PART 
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THAT YOU SEE HERE IS LAND. OBVIOUSLY THE 5 TO 12 WOULD BE BEHIND US IN THIS IMAGE. SO THE 
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LARGE PLAYGROUND IS THE LAND HERE. WE'RE GOING FROM LAND TO THE TAN AREA. THIS IS NOW THE 
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BEACH. BEFORE WE GET TO THE SEA. THIS IS WHERE WE START GETTING A TRUE SENSE OF WHAT DOES THIS REALLY FEEL LIKE? SO THE FIRST THING YOU'LL NOTICE HERE IS ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THIS IS OUR BIG SAND DUNE. AND UNFORTUNATELY, THESE RENDERINGS DON'T DO JUSTICE FOR THE COLORS AND THE TEXTURES IN HERE. BUT THIS REALLY WOULD LOOK LIKE A SAND DUNE THAT'S IN HERE. ON 
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THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THERE'S SOME DRIFTWOOD CLIMBER, OF COURSE, THAT'S CONCRETE. AND THEN ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE HERE, YOU SEE THAT WE'VE GOT THE OTHER NEW PIER THAT'S GOING INTO NAPLES. SO WE WANTED TO REPLICATE THE PIER THAT'S GOING IN, COMPLETE WITH YOU SEE THE WOODEN PIER STEPPERS THAT CLIMB THROUGH THIS, FROM GOING FROM THE PIER OUT TO THE SAND DUNES. 
          AND WE EVEN HAVE A DOUBLE WIDE SLIDE ON HERE. SO MOM AND DAD, GRANDMA AND GRANDPA CAN BOTH GO DOWN AT THE SAME TIME WITH THEIR KIDS, OR HAVING BOTH OF YOUR KIDS GO DOWN, BUT A DOUBLE WIDE SLIDE ON THE SAND DUNE IS A VERY FUN PIECE OF THIS. IN ADDITION TO THE OTHER SLIDES AND OTHER CLIMBERS THAT WE HAVE ON THE PIER STRUCTURE. AND OF COURSE, WE ALSO HAVE TO HAVE SOME OTHER THINGS HERE. THIS IS A GIGANTIC LIFE SIZE SEA TURTLE THAT WE HAVE ON HERE WITH THE BARREL THERE, AS WELL AS A JUMPING DOLPHIN. WE HAVE, OF COURSE, ALL THE STANDARD SWINGS IN THERE, AS WELL AS AGE APPROPRIATE CLIMBERS FOR THESE YOUNGER PLAYERS. AND ONE OF MY OTHER FAVORITE PARTS OF THIS IS THE STAGE THAT WE'VE GOT THAT WE'VE INCORPORATED INTO THIS. 
          AND SO THIS STAGE IS REALLY A FUN PIECE. THIS IS THE PLACE WHERE OBVIOUSLY KIDS CAN PUT ON PERFORMANCE FOR THEIR KIDS OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND, WHERE THE ADULTS CAN PUT ON PERFORMANCES FOR THE KIDS. AND WHAT'S NOT ACTUALLY SHOWN IN THIS IS THERE'S THAT WE CAN'T SEE IN THIS, BUT WE ACTUALLY HAVE THIS AMPHITHEATER STYLE LOG BENCHES THAT WOULD BE ON THE OUTSIDE OF THIS 12FT LONG. SO IT ALLOWS PLENTY OF PEOPLE TO VIEW THE WONDERFUL PERFORMANCE THERE. 
          AND OF COURSE, OUR SIGNATURE MUSIC WALL THAT WE'RE INCORPORATING INTO THIS AS WELL. 
          IN ADDITION TO THESE, THERE'S MANY OTHER COMPONENTS AND PIECES THAT ARE PART OF THAT. 
          BUT WHAT I REALLY WANTED TO DO WAS, YOU KNOW, TALK ABOUT GETTING INTO THE, THE KIND OF THE, THE BROADER SCOPE OF THE DESIGN THAT WE HAVE ON HERE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE VERY INTENTIONAL ABOUT WAS CREATING ACCESSIBILITY AS PART OF THE ACTUAL PLAY EXPERIENCE ITSELF, NOT AN AFTERTHOUGHT, JUST A COUPLE THINGS ON THE GROUND THAT PEOPLE CAN PLAY WITH, BUT REALLY, TRULY GETTING PEOPLE OF ALL ABILITIES, WHETHER THEY'RE WHEELCHAIRS, CRUTCHES, WALKERS, WHETHER THEY'RE KIDS OR ADULTS, MOM AND DAD MIGHT BE IN A WHEELCHAIR. 
          SO THE FIRST VIEW, THIS ISN'T EXACTLY IN THE BEST ORDER THAT I WOULD LIKE IT, BUT IF YOU CAN KIND OF STAY WITH ME, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT YOU SEE AS WE COME INTO THIS MAIN ENTRANCE TO THE PARK IS THAT SIGNATURE TREEHOUSE. THIS IS THE WOW FACTOR THAT YOU SEE ON HERE. THAT TREEHOUSE IS 25FT TALL. THE SLIDE COMING OUT OF IT IS 16FT TALL. THAT IS THE TALLEST SLIDE IN NAPLES AND ONE OF THE TALLEST SLIDES IN SOUTHWEST FLORIDA. TRULY A LANDMARK PIECE. AND AS YOU WALK DOWN THIS PATH WHERE YOU EITHER GO TO THE LEFT TO GO INTO THE 2 TO 5, OR YOU GO INTO THE RIGHT TO YOU GO TO THE 5 TO 12 STRUCTURE. YOU COME UP TO THIS GIGANTIC TREE, WHICH WE JUST LOOKED AT, AND HERE IS YOU SEE A COUPLE OF RAMPS HERE, AND THIS ELEVATION IS FIVE FEET IN ELEVATION THAT ALSO HAS THAT SLIDE THERE THAT YOU SEE, WHICH IS TRANSFER ACCESSIBLE, MEANING THAT YOU STEP UP ANOTHER FOOT. SO WE'RE GOING DOWN A SIX FOOT SLIDE THAT CHILDREN HAVE THE ABILITY TO GO DOWN. THAT IS UNHEARD OF TYPICALLY IN MOST WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE PLAY ENVIRONMENTS. AND IT ALSO HAS THAT KIND OF WIDE EXIT THERE THAT YOU SEE WHAT THAT IS. IT'S CALLED THE DIGNITY SLIDE. IT ALLOWS CHILDREN THAT MAY BE NEED THEIR ASSISTIVE DEVICE TO CONTINUE MOVING ON, BUT THOSE KIDS CAN SCOOT TO THE SIDE AS OTHER PLAYERS ARE STILL CONTINUING TO COME DOWN THAT SLIDE UNTIL THEY EITHER HAVE THEIR DEVICE OR THEY CAN GO OVER TO THE, AS YOU SEE THERE, A SET OF STAIRS, BECAUSE NOT EVERYBODY HAS THE ABILITY IN THAT PHYSICAL ABILITY TO BE ABLE TO GO UP ALL OF THESE VARIOUS CLIMBERS AND OTHER CHALLENGE ROUTES THAT YOU HAVE. SO AGAIN, GRANDMA AND GRANDPA MAYBE WANT TO GET BACK UP ON THAT PLATFORM, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO GO UP A SET OF STAIRS RATHER THAN HAVING TO GO DOWN, UP ONE OF THESE CHALLENGE MORE CHALLENGING CLIMBERS THAT YOU HAVE OUT HERE. THERE'S SEVERAL GREAT EXAMPLES. OUR WONDERFUL EIGHT FOOT TALL CLUBHOUSE. AND THAT IS THE DECK HEIGHT. SO THAT'S THE CEILING THAT'S ABOVE YOU FROM WHERE WE ARE. THAT'S PROBABLY EIGHT FEET. IT'S HUGE. IT'S HARD TO GET TRULY A SENSE OF SCALE ON THIS. AND THIS IS A BRAND NEW SLIDE THAT I'VE NEVER USED BEFORE, AND I'M REALLY EXCITED TO INCLUDE IT IN THIS ONE HERE, WHERE IT'S A TUBE SLIDE THAT TRANSITIONS TO AN OPEN BEDWEI SLIDE RIGHT BELOW THAT. YOU CAN ALSO SEE RIGHT IN THAT ON THE TREE, YOU CAN KIND OF SEE THE SQUIRREL THERE. AS YOU SEE THAT, YOU'LL NOTICE THOSE LITTLE DISCOVERY FEATURES THROUGHOUT THE DESIGN. YOU CAN SEE THE SQUIRREL THERE ON THE CLUBHOUSE AND IN THE CENTER OF THE SCREEN THERE. YOU SEE 
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THERE'S A LITTLE RED DOOR DOWN THERE THAT IS THE LITTLE GNOME HOME AGAIN, DISCOVERY AROUND EVERY LITTLE CORNER THAT YOU SEE HERE WITH DEPTH AND TEXTURE AND COLOR AND ALL OF THIS AGAIN, ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE WHERE WE HAVE VARIOUS CLIMBERS WHERE YOU HAVE A ROCK CLIMBER THAT'S, THAT'S GOT DIFFERENT CHALLENGE LEVELS. YOU'VE GOT THE SEVEN FOOT VERTICAL CLIMBING WALL TO THE LEFT, BUT ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THERE AGAIN, AN EASIER CLIMB FOR CHILDREN THAT DON'T HAVE THE SAME ABILITIES, OR FOR GRANDMA AND GRANDPA TO BE ABLE TO ALSO GET UP ON TOP OF THE STRUCTURE AND TRAVEL THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THIS ENTIRE PLAY ENVIRONMENT IS THOROUGHLY CONNECTED, SO KIDS CAN PLAY THROUGHOUT ALL OF THIS ENTIRE AREA WITH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT LAYERS, WITHOUT EVER HAVING TO TOUCH THE LAVA DOWN BELOW OR THE ALLIGATORS DOWN BELOW. AND I KNOW THAT COULD ACTUALLY BE EVEN BE REAL HERE IN SOME CASES. 
          NOT ALWAYS THE CASE, BUT LOTS OF DIFFERENT BALANCE ACTIVITIES, CLIMBING ACTIVITIES, ALL OF THESE PIECES THROUGHOUT THE STRUCTURE ITSELF, INCLUDING THE GIANT SPIDER WEB THAT WE HAVE IN HERE. AND YOU CAN ALSO SEE ANOTHER SQUIRREL THAT'S PEEKING HIS HEAD OUT ON THAT TREE THERE. 
          AND THE OTHER WONDERFUL THING ABOUT THIS IS, IS ALL OF THE LAYERS FROM A VISUAL STANDPOINT, OBVIOUSLY, WE WALK DOWN THAT PATH, WE TAKE THAT RIGHT. WE COME INTO THE THANK YOU IN HERE, WE HAVE OUR PLAY, ONE OF OUR PLAY MOUNTS. THIS IS FULLY WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE. THAT GETS YOU ALL THE WAY UP TO THE FOUR FOOT RAMP BEFORE YOU ACCESS UP ONTO THAT TREE. AND THIS IS DESIGNED INTO THE PLAY ENVIRONMENT, NOT A COUPLE OF RAMPS THAT WE'VE PLUGGED IN THERE ON THE END. THIS HAS INTEGRATED PLAY IN THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE PIECE. AND THEN THE OTHER SIGNATURE MOMENT, REMEMBER THAT MIGHTY DESCENT SLIDE. THERE'S NOTHING LIKE THIS IN FLORIDA. WE HAVE DONE THESE GIANT PLAY MOUNDS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. THERE IS NOTHING LIKE THIS IN FLORIDA. THIS IS AN EIGHT FOOT HIGH PLAY MOUND THAT ALLOWS PLAYERS TO CLIMB ALL AROUND. AND THROUGHOUT THIS, CLIMBING UP HANDHOLDS AND LOGS AND ROCKS AND CLIMBERS, ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT, REALLY UNIQUE, FUN PIECES. YOU NEED TO BRING THIS TO A CLOSE SO THEY CAN ASK THEIR QUESTIONS. YES. SO CAMBIER PARK HAS BEEN CREATING MEMORIES FOR GENERATIONS, GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO CANDY CANE PARK. IT WILL ALWAYS BE CANDY CANE PARK TO ME. I KNOW IT'S CANDY CANE CITY, BUT OUR GOAL WAS NEVER TO SIMPLY DESIGN A PLAYGROUND. IT WAS TRULY TO CREATE A PLACE WORTHY OF BECOMING PART OF THAT LEGACY. 
          THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION AND HAVING YOUR CREW HERE. COUNCIL, DO YOU HAVE A QUESTIONS ON THE PRESENTATION? I BARTON, COULD YOU TALK TO YOUR SURFACE COVERING LOOKS DIFFERENT THAN, SAY, SOME OF THE OTHERS THAT WE'VE SEEN. COULD YOU DESCRIBE THAT TO US AND TELL US ABOUT THE WARRANTY ON IT? YEAH, I'LL SPEAK TO THE DESIGN OF IT. FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT. DANNY CAN CAN TALK TO THAT. I WILL SAY THAT THIS TURF LOOKS A LITTLE BIT MORE LIKE LONG SHAG CARPET. AGAIN, THESE RENDERINGS DON'T DO JUSTICE TO WHAT THE ACTUAL MATERIAL. SO WHAT I LOVE TO DO FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT IS HAVE THAT DEPTH OF MATERIALS. 
          TEXTURE WISE, THIS ENTIRE AREA IS FULLY WHEELCHAIR ACCESSIBLE. WE'VE GOT ARTIFICIAL TURF AND COMBINATION OF POURED IN PLACE RUBBER THROUGHOUT THIS. AS FAR AS THE WARRANTIES, I THINK CHAD TOUCHED ON THIS THE LAST MEETING AS WELL, BUT THERE'S A 15 YEAR WARRANTY ON THE TURF ITSELF. THE TURF IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT I'M USED TO REFFING ON AND OFFICIATING PLAYING LACROSSE ON. YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE LITTLE PIECES OF BLACK RUBBER THAT GET INSIDE YOUR SHOES. THAT'S REALLY ANNOYING TO ME. THEY DON'T USE THAT TYPE OF INFILL ANYMORE, SO THAT WON'T BE AN ISSUE WITH KIDS TAKING THAT HOME AND PARENTS GETTING REALLY FRUSTRATED WITH THAT. THANK YOU. YEAH. YOU'RE WELCOME. WARRANTY QUESTIONS, WARRANTY QUESTIONS. 
          DO YOU WANT TO ANSWER SOME WARRANTY QUESTIONS ON THIS? CERTAINLY. DO YOU WANT TO SHARE WITH US THE WARRANTY THAT YOU HAVE. BACK UP TO THIS. 
          I THINK YOU COVERED IT THAT YOU'RE CLOSE BY. YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO YES, I'LL SPEAK REALLY QUICK. A DESIGNATED PERSON THAT WOULD BE ABLE TO BE HANDS ON FOR ANY CONCERNS. YEAH. SO THERE'S ACTUALLY SO THERE'S TWO PARTS TO WARRANTY WHEN IT COMES TO PLAYGROUND PROJECTS. OBVIOUSLY THERE'S THE LABOR WARRANTY AS WE'RE THE ONES THAT'S GOING TO BE INSTALLING THE PLAYGROUND. SO TYPICALLY THERE WOULD BE A ONE YEAR LATER, 
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ALL YOU HAVE THAT YEAR, A ONE YEAR FULL WORKMANSHIP WARRANTY THAT OUR TEAM AND OUR INSTALLERS, SINCE WE'RE A TIER ONE DEALER EXCLUSIVE DEALER FOR CRATE PLAY, OUR INSTALLER IS GOING TO BE FULLY TRAINED NOT ONLY ON THE INSTALLATION SIDE, BUT ON THE REPAIR SIDE AS WELL. 
          SO TYPICALLY, YOU KNOW, THE FROM A LABOR STANDPOINT, THE SMALL THINGS LIKE BOLTS COMING LOOSE, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT USUALLY HAPPEN AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THAT PROJECT. SO THAT WOULD, THAT'S WHERE THAT ONE YEAR COMES IN. USUALLY OTHER THINGS THAT MIGHT HAPPEN TEND TO HAPPEN LATER ON IN A PROJECT. BUT IF THERE IS LIKE A VANDALISM OR SOMETHING ELSE THAT MIGHT HAPPEN ON THE PROJECT AND THE GFC NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, WE WILL HAVE LOCAL INSTALLERS HERE IN THE AREA THAT CAN ADDRESS THAT TO GET THE PARK BACK OPEN. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. YES. SCHULTZ AND THEN PITTMAN. THANK YOU. I ASKED A QUESTION EARLIER OF ANOTHER VENDOR AND JUST CURIOUS FROM YOUR BEGINNING OF THE PROCESS TO WHERE YOU ARE NOW MAKING YOUR PITCH, DO YOU THINK THAT THERE ARE ANY IMPEDIMENTS THAT YOU SUFFERED UNJUSTLY, OR WERE YOU HAVE BEEN ABLE TO FEEL YOU'VE GOT A FAIR HEARING HERE? WELL, I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY HERE TO COME SHARE WITH YOU WHAT WE HAVE. THE FACT THAT THIS DESIGN THAT YOU'RE SEEING TODAY IS THE SAME ONE THAT WE PRESENTED IN THE VERY BEGINNING. SO IT'S THE EXACT SAME DESIGN THAT WE'VE STAYED WITH, UNDERSTANDING THE FACT THAT IF WE ARE FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO HAVE THIS APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND TO GO WITH OUR TEAM, THAT WE WOULD HAVE THAT TIME TO MAKE ALL OF THESE EDITS AND ADJUSTMENTS ALONG WITH THE, THE, YOU KNOW, WITH STAFF AND ALL PEOPLE THAT ARE, ARE PART OF THAT. SO JUST THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE AND THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY THE SAME DESIGN THAT WE'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS ENTIRE PROCESS, WE'RE REALLY APPRECIATIVE OF THAT FACT. SO, SO I WOULD SAY I WOULD JUST PIGGYBACK ON THAT. I WOULD JUST SAY, YES, I THINK THAT THE PROCESS WAS FAIR. OBVIOUSLY, THERE'S A LOT OF EYES ON THIS PROJECT. WE REALIZE THAT AND THERE IS A MUCH LONGER PROCESS TO MAYBE SOME OF THE OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE SEE, EVEN THE ONES THAT WE MIGHT BE WORKING ON CURRENTLY WITH THE CITY OF NAPLES. AND TODD'S FORTUNATE ENOUGH. HE FLEW DOWN TWICE FROM MINNEAPOLIS JUST BECAUSE OF HOW IMPORTANT THIS IS TO US AS A COMPANY. SO HE WAS ABLE TO MAKE THE TRIP DOWN HERE AND EVEN HAVING OUR COMPANY HERE AS WELL, IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO US, BUT I DEFINITELY FEEL LIKE THE THE PROCESS HAS BEEN VERY FAIR. IT WAS IT WAS OUTLINED IN THE BEGINNING OF WHAT WE SHOULD RESPOND TO, WHICH IS WHY WE RESPONDED INTENTIONALLY, AND THAT'S WHY WE REMAINED WITH OUR SAME STRUCTURE FROM THE BEGINNING ALL THE WAY TO THE END. ARE ALL THESE FOLKS HERE WITH YOU PART OF YOUR COMPANY? THIS SECTION HERE. HANDS UP. 
          YES, SIR. MY GOODNESS, THAT'S COMMITMENT. THANK YOU FOR TAKING TAKING A CHARGE HERE. 
          GOOD. THANK YOU. THAT WAS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. TIMELINE FROM ALPHA TO OMEGA. SO THE I GUESS THE THE WILD CARD WOULD BE PERMITTING BECAUSE WE NEVER REALLY KNOW WHAT PERMITTING IS GOING TO BE. BUT WITHIN OUR OUTLINE, I THINK WE SUGGESTED FROM THE POINT OF MOVING FORWARD, IT WOULD BE RIGHT AROUND 300 DAYS. I THINK IT WAS 311 IS WHAT WE PUT INTO THE DOCUMENTS. SO LIKE I SAID, THIS ISN'T THIS ISN'T OFF THE SHELF OUT OF A CATALOG TYPE STRUCTURE. 
          THESE ARE ALL CUSTOM AND VERY DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS AREA. SO CROSS YOUR FINGERS THAT PERMITTING GOES 300 DAYS PLUS PERMITTING. YEAH. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU, COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER. THANK YOU. I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT. THE THERE'S NO END. WHAT DO WE HAVE? INSTEAD OF THE MADDENING INFILL. WHAT WHAT YOU HAVE IN THE TURF NOW. SO THE INFILL, WHAT THEY USED TO USE THE RUBBER THAT WAS TO HELP KEEP THE GRASS STAINING UP. THERE'S NOW A SILICA TYPE MATERIAL. IT'S MUCH SMALLER, MUCH GRANULAR. I ACTUALLY HAVE IT IN MY BACKYARD FROM THE SAME COMPANY BECAUSE I HAVE DOGS BACK THERE. IT'S LIKE A SAND SILICA. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT THEY USE NOW. SO IT'S NOT THE BIG PIECES THAT KICK UP AND EVERYTHING WHEN YOU'RE PLAYING ON IT. YEAH, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, IT'S ALSO SIGNIFICANTLY COOLER WHEN THEY DID THE HEAT TESTS. THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT IT'S FOR. SO FOR ME, I PUT IT BECAUSE OF MY RESCUE DOGS BACK THERE. BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY WHAT IT'S FOR. IT'S SUPPOSED TO HELP KEEP IT A LITTLE COOLER DOWN THERE AS WELL. BUT IT'S FLORIDA. YOU KNOW, I THINK I THINK, YOU KNOW WHAT TODD MENTIONED ABOUT GEO TAGGING, WHERE THE EQUIPMENT IS GOING TO BE IN THE SHADE. THAT'S PROBABLY MORE IMPORTANT BECAUSE WHATEVER SURFACING WE PUT, WE PUT DOWN, IT'S GOING TO BE HOT REGARDLESS. SO THOSE OTHER TOUCHES IS WHAT'S WHAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT. 
          OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. NOPE. OKAY. I REALLY WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR PATIENCE AND FOR YOUR WHOLE TEAM COMING TODAY. AND WE APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE. THANK YOU. YEAH. THANK YOU FOR THE THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL FOR SHOWING UP. THANK YOU ALL. YEAH. COUNCIL. I'LL JUST GIVE I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE ALL GAVE OUR 
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GENERAL OPINIONS LAST TIME BECAUSE IT WAS KIND OF LIKE A, B OR C. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO. 
          MY FEELINGS AND FROM SPEAKING TO MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY, WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT IS NATURAL, NOT BRIGHT, NOT, YOU KNOW, SHOWY, BUT MORE OF FITS WITH THE CHARACTER OF, OF A VERY FAMILY ORIENTED PARK. I LOVE THE SPECIAL FEATURES, BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT'S THE TREE, THE OR THE BRIDGES, THE TUNNELS THAT REALLY MAKE IT, THE OBSTACLES OF IT. SO, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE ALL HAD THIS. WOW FEATURE THAT WE LOOKED AT LAST TIME, BUT I REALLY WANT A TEAM THAT'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT NATURE BASED, NICE PLACE SPACE, NOT A BUNCH OF STEEL AND ANY RUN OF THE MILL PLAYGROUND. AND I LIKE THE TEXTURES. I DON'T LIKE ALL THE PLASTIC. AND WITH THAT. YOUR DIRECTION THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR, MADAM MAYOR. THANK YOU. I WAS GOING TO YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR FROM THE VENDORS THEMSELVES. YOU HAD THE PRESENTATION THAT CHAD SUMMARIZED ON BEHALF OF THEM AT THE LAST MEETING, AND NOW YOU'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK THEM QUESTIONS AND SEE EVERYTHING BEFORE YOU. SO AT THE END OF THE DAY, I NEED TO TO HAVE A VOTE ON WHICH COMPANY YOU WOULD LIKE US TO MOVE FORWARD WITH IN TERMS OF NEGOTIATING A CONTRACT, BUT IN ADDITION, IT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL DEPENDING ON WHICH ONE YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU SELECT OBVIOUSLY TO OPINE ON OTHER THINGS RELATED TO IT THAT IF YOU'D LIKE EITHER LIKE US TO CUSTOMIZE OR DO WHAT, WHAT HAVE YOU WITH. SO ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION BEYOND THAT WILL WILL ASSIST BOTH THE VENDOR AND US AS WE EMBARK UPON THAT NEXT PHASE. I THINK THAT HAVING THE VENDORS HERE WAS A NICE ADDITION, BEING ABLE TO ASK THOSE DETAILED QUESTIONS TO. 
          THE PIECES, THE THE WARRANTIES, AND WHO'S GOING TO ACTUALLY BE THERE FOR US WHEN WE NEED IT WAS A BENEFIT AS FAR AS BEING ABLE TO PICK THEM. I THINK YOU SHOULD DO IT. NO. YEAH. YEAH. 
          WITH WITH THE GUIDELINES THAT I SET FORWARD. DO YOU HAVE GUIDELINES? COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER. OH, GOODNESS, I, I WILL SAY THIS, I AM IT'S IMPRESSIVE. LIKE Y'ALL, IT'S THIS IS A THIS IS ONE OF THE TOUGHEST DECISIONS THAT WE'VE HAD TO MAKE, I THINK BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL OUTSTANDING. I MEAN, REMARKABLE EFFORTS. THAT'S ALL I GOT TO SAY RIGHT NOW. WELL, LET'S SEE, I KNOW I SET THAT TONE THE WRONG WAY. BARTON WANT TO PICK UP AND GIVE US THE HOME RUN. YEAH. THEY ARE ALL OUTSTANDING. I, I, I, I WAS BORN AND RAISED HERE SO I WAS ON THE CANDY CANE VERSION. I WAS ON THE LEATHERS VERSION. I WAS I LOOK FORWARD TO BEING ON THIS VERSION. I WISH THE VERSIONS WERE AROUND WHEN I WAS A KID OR WHEN MY KIDS WERE KIDS BECAUSE WOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL INCREDIBLE. I. AND I APPRECIATE THE SECOND SHOT AT HIM. I, I'VE LEARNED MORE ABOUT THE COMPANIES AND I LEARNED MORE ABOUT THE PRODUCTS AND THE DESIGN AND WHAT WENT INTO THE DESIGN. AND THAT WAS CERTAINLY HELPFUL. WITH THAT SAID, IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME DECISIONS HERE, I WILL START WITH MY DECISION. AND THAT IS THAT THE I STILL AM BECAUSE OF GROWING UP HERE, I AM STILL EMBRACING THE THE BANYAN TREE AND THE FEATURES THAT THAT COINCIDE WITH WITH SOUTHWEST FLORIDA FROM A STANDPOINT OF THE ANIMAL LIFE AND WHATNOT. SO THE, THE PLAY CORE IS STILL A LITTLE BIT HIGHER ON MY LIST OF, OF THE THREE. HONESTLY, WE CAN'T GO WRONG WITH ANY OF THEM. SO I CAN PROBABLY TELL YOU, I CAN CONFIDENTLY TELL YOU I'M NOT GOING TO BE UPSET IF MY FAVORITE IS NOT CHOSEN BECAUSE I KNOW THAT ALL THREE ARE GOOD CHOICES. BUT IF WE'RE LOOKING FOR CHOICES AND DECISIONS HERE TODAY, THE PLAY CORE WOULD BE MINE. YEAH, MY DECISION IS THE SAME. I, I THOUGHT THE I LOVE THE DESIGN ON THE BANYAN TREE. I THOUGHT IT WAS REALLY SOMETHING THAT FITS NAPLES THE BEST. AND SO ALTHOUGH ALL THREE COMPANIES ARE FANTASTIC, REALLY, THEY'RE FANTASTIC PRODUCTS AND 
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ALL THAT, I JUST FELT MORE THE DESIGN REALLY APPEALED TO ME AND FOR NAPLES. SO I'M WITH THAT SAME, SAME OPTION, BANYAN TREE. SCHULTZ, ANYBODY THAT BRINGS THE HOME TEAM, THE BENCHWARMERS, THE GUYS THAT ARE PLAYING GUARD, LEFT TACKLE, TIGHT END AND AND GUARD YOU, YOU GUARD THE PERSON TRYING TO GET TO THE WATER BUCKET. YOU TACKLE THEM AND GET IN A FIGHT WITH THEM. SO LIKE THAT ONE I REMEMBER THAT. YEAH. SO I I'M I'M GOING WITH THESE FOLKS. A VERY TOUGH CALL. I THINK IN THE END, PLAYMORE, I'M MUCH MORE COMFORTABLE WITH PLAYMORE, WITH THEIR PRODUCTS, WITH THEIR TEAM. SO THAT WOULD BE MY CHOICE. VICE MAYOR. JUST ECHO THE COMMENTS FROM OTHERS. IT'S VERY TOUGH DECISION. VERY GOOD DESIGNS. APPRECIATE THE TIME AND EFFORT EVERYONE HAS PUT INTO THIS. I AGREE WITH COUNSELORS BARTON AND CROWELL. 
          I LEAN TOWARDS THE PLAY CORE GAME TIME PRESENTATION FOR THE PLAY, PLAY, CORE SLASH GAME TIME OR A GAME TIME FOR THE SAME. JUST HOW IT FELT LIKE IT FIT INTO NAPLES WITH THE BANYAN TREE AND THE WILD LOCAL WILDLIFE AND THE FEATURES SO. I LEAN TOWARDS THAT ONE. SCHULTZ, WHAT WAS THE. I'M SORRY, CAN YOU TELL ME AGAIN WHO YOU WERE? PLAY THAT. JUST PLAY MORE, PLAY MORE. THANK YOU. I HAVE TO MAKE SURE I HAVE THE RIGHT HEARING AID ON. I'M UP. YES YOU ARE. 
          WELL, I WILL TELL YOU WHAT I THINK. MY ISSUES WITH THE PLAY CORE. FACT IS, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MY FIRST CHOICE. EXCEPT FOR THE LINE OF SIGHT ISSUES. AND SINCE THOSE ARE RESOLVED, IT IS NOW MY FIRST CHOICE. I ALSO PREFER THE THE THE HEARTS OR THE SOLID SURFACE, NOT HARD SURFACE, THE SOLID SURFACE VERSUS THE TURF. AND I'VE USED BOTH. WAY LESS PROBLEMS WITH CHEWING GUM. JUST THAT'S JUST AS A START. I THINK IT'S EASIER TO MAINTAIN. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I'M FLIP FLOP. I DON'T THINK I'M FLIP FLOPPING BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MY FIRST CHOICE EXCEPT FOR THE LINE OF SIGHT ISSUES. SO THAT IS I'LL GO WITH PLAY CORE. OKAY, SO WE HAVE PLAY CORE AS A MAJORITY. WHAT DO YOU PICK? I DON'T HAVE TO. I DON'T HAVE TO. 
          YOU GUYS ALREADY DECIDED. YES, WE WE DID HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE LAST TIME. SO WE WILL NEED A YES. WE WILL NEED A MOTION FIRST. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO PROCEED WITH THE CAMBIAR PARK DESIGN FROM PLAY CORE THAT WAS PRESENTED EARLIER TODAY. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER CARL. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL. VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. CO. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. COUNCILMEMBER. SCHULTZ. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. YES. 
          MAYOR. HARTMAN. YES. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. AND. WE APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE. IT WAS A LONG DAY. YES. MADAM MAYOR, DID YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FOR PLAY CORE BEFORE WE END FOR STAFF, AS WE BEGIN THE PROCESS OF NEGOTIATING A CONTRACT, I SHARED MINE. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NEGOTIATIONS? YES. OR LIKE MATERIALS OR SWITCHES OR THINGS LIKE THAT. COLORS. AND THIS IS I THOUGHT WE'D HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY LATER WHEN WE SAW THE ACTUAL WELL, YOU'LL STILL GET FEEDBACK. I JUST WONDERED IF THERE WAS ANYTHING GLARING YOU WANTED TO POINT OUT. THE GLARING THING WAS SQUEEZING LIKE A SPONGE. YES, THEY'VE ALREADY COMMITTED. THAT'S RIGHT. SO THEY WILL NOT LET MONEY BE THE FACTOR TO HALT THIS DEAL THOUGH. SO I'LL SAY THIS. KEEP IN MIND THAT EVEN AT THE AWARD, 
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WHEN IT COMES TO COLORS, IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT YOU LOOK AT DOWN THE ROAD, EVEN BEFORE WE PLACE THE ORDER, THEY CAN STILL MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO COLORS IF WE GET AHEAD OF IT QUICK. SO IF IT'S SOMETHING YOU SEE. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE THAT. I JUST HAD ONE SUGGESTION, THE SNOOK. I APPRECIATE OPENING IT UP, BUT IT MAY BE TOO MUCH TO OPEN NOW. IT MAY NOT LOOK AS MUCH LIKE A FISH ANYMORE, SO IT MAY NEED SOME MORE WORK. AND I RECOGNIZE THIS IS VERY QUICK WORK THAT YOU PUT THROUGH. NO IT'S NOT. THAT'S STILL NOT A SNOOK EITHER. NOR MANATEE. YEAH. 
          THE MANATEE HAS ALREADY MENTIONED HE GOT HIT BY A. OKAY, SO WE'RE COUNTING ON COMMUNICATION SERVICE AND GOOD NEGOTIATING PRICE AND WARRANTIES. I'M JUST GOING TO THROW IN THERE ALSO AS YOU GUYS ARE DETERMINING WHAT WILDLIFE TO PUT IN THERE THAT ALLIGATORS AND PANTHERS. I THINK A PANTHER WAS BROUGHT UP LAST TIME. THAT WAS THAT WOULD BE A GOOD ADDITION IF IF THAT'S POSSIBLE, OBVIOUSLY WITHIN BUDGETARY CONSTRAINTS, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. BUT I WOULD SAY THOSE ARE PROBABLY OUR PRIMARY FOCAL POINTS WHEN IT COMES TO WILDLIFE AROUND HERE. WE'RE CHECKING A LOT OF BOXES WITH MANATEE AND SNOOK AND PANTHER AND ALLIGATOR. SEA TURTLE WOULD BE GREAT TOO. WE COULD USE A GOLDEN EAGLE STUCK IN THE TREE SOMEWHERE. JUST JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE, I LOVE IT. WE DO HAVE BALD EAGLES HERE. NOT THE SAME. OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. THANK YOU. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU FOR THAT. THANK YOU. OKAY. I WANT TO JUST GO BACK TO 14 D. WE CAME BACK FROM EXECUTIVE SESSION. AND IN ORDER TO MOVE FORWARD, I MADE A COMMENT. BUT MR. MCCONNELL, AS FAR AS IT RELATES TO EXECUTIVE SESSION, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE YOUR COMMENTS SO IT FITS WITHIN 14 D YEAH. SO AS I MENTIONED THANK YOU MAYOR. THERE'S NO ACTION REQUIRED OF COUNCIL AT THIS MOMENT. BUT IF I MAY, I'D LIKE TO ANNOUNCE MY INTENT TO HAVE ANOTHER EXECUTIVE SESSION ON. THANK YOU. OKAY. THE CITY ATTORNEY IS ANNOUNCING PURSUANT TO 286.011, SUBPARAGRAPH EIGHT, HIS REQUEST FOR AN EXECUTIVE SESSION CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC FOR THE PURPOSE OF SEEKING ADVICE CONCERNING SETTLEMENT NEGOTIATIONS OR STRATEGY RELATED TO LITIGATION EXPENDITURES ASSOCIATED WITH LITIGATION. STYLED CITY OF NAPLES VERSUS CITY OF NAPLES. 
          AIRPORT AUTHORITY ET AL. CASE NUMBER 2026-CA-1094. ON JUNE 3RD, 2026, AT APPROXIMATELY 1230 IN THE CITY'S CONFERENCE ROOM ON THE SECOND FLOOR OF CITY HALL, THE EXECUTIVE SESSION IS EXPECTED TO LAST APPROXIMATELY ONE HOUR MAY END EARLIER. THE ENTIRE SESSION IS RECORDED. NO ACTION WILL BE WILL BE TAKING PLACE DURING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. ANY ACTION REQUIRED WILL HAPPEN WHETHER WE RECONVENE OR AT A FUTURE PUBLIC HEARING. FOLLOWING INDIVIDUALS WILL BE PRESENT DURING THE EXECUTIVE SESSION. MAYOR TERESA HEITMANN, COUNCIL MEMBERS BILL KRAMER, LINDA PENNIMAN, BERNARD BARTON, TED BLANKENSHIP, JOHN KROLL, SCOTT SCHULTZ, CITY MANAGER GARY YOUNG, CITY ATTORNEY MATTHEW MCCONNELL, ASSISTANT CITY ATTORNEY ANDREW DICKMAN, AND A REPRESENTATIVE FROM DINES COURT REPORTING. THANK YOU. JUNE 3RD, SAME DAY AS THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. JUNE 3RD, SAME DAY AS THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING. SO TWO WEDNESDAYS FROM NOW. SORRY, WHICH I'M. YES, ALL OF YOU WILL BE HERE FOR. YEAH. CORRECT. 
          [13.B) Selection of Annual Audit Firm Discussion and Direction]
OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MAYOR. MR. YOUNG, MY APOLOGIES TO THE FINANCE DIRECTOR AND THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE NEXT ITEM, WHICH WOULD BE. 13 BE. DID WE WANT TO I DON'T KNOW IF SHE HAS BEEN HERE SINCE THIS MORNING. I DON'T SEE HER. MR. MASON IS HERE. HE'LL DO IT TO DO THE AUDIT COMMITTEE NOW. 13. BE OKAY. ALL RIGHT. WELL, MR. MITCHELL. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. STEFAN MUSCLE, FINANCE DIRECTOR. SO I JUST WANTED TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON WHERE WE WERE WITH THE AUDITOR SELECTION COMMITTEE PROCESS, JUST TO, YOU KNOW, GIVE A LITTLE RECAP AT THE MARCH 18TH CITY COUNCIL MEETING, THE CITY COUNCIL APPOINTED THE AUDITOR SELECTION COMMITTEE, CONSISTING OF VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP, JOSEPH MURRAY AND DANIEL BARONE. ON MARCH 31ST, THE COMMITTEE DRAFTED THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS DOCUMENT, WHICH WAS ADVERTISED FOR 30 DAYS. CRITERIA INCLUDED THE AUDIT APPROACH, THE FIRM EXPERTISE AND EXPERIENCE, STAFF EXPERTISE AS WELL AS THE SCHEDULE OF 
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VALUES. YOU'LL RECALL THAT ONE OF THE CONDITIONS WITHIN THE STATUTES THAT GOVERN THESE PROCESSES 218.391 IS THAT COSTS CAN BE A FACTOR, BUT IT CANNOT BE THE PREDOMINANT FACTOR. AND FOR THAT REASON, THE SCHEDULE OF VALUES WAS ONLY TEN POINTS OUT OF THE 100 POINTS THAT THE EVALUATION CONSISTED OF. SO ON MAY 1ST, THE SEAL PROPOSALS FOR THE RFP WERE OPENED. IN TOTAL, THERE WERE NINE PROPOSALS THAT THE CITY RECEIVED. ON MAY 7TH, THE AUDITOR SELECTION COMMITTEE MET TO EVALUATE. DURING THEIR EVALUATION, THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS EACH COMPLETED THEIR SCORING AND AFTER DISCUSSION, RANKED THE TOP THREE FIRMS AS CLIFTON LARSON ALLEN, NUMBER ONE, PURVIS GREEN COMPANY AT NUMBER TWO AND FOUR VIS MAZARS AS NUMBER THREE. AND DURING THEIR DISCUSSION, COMMITTEE MEMBERS DESCRIBED VARIOUS CONSIDERATIONS FOR THEIR SCORES. 
          YOU KNOW, SOME COMMENTS INCLUDED THAT THOSE FIRMS THAT PROVIDE AN AUDIT APPROACH THAT WAS MORE TAILORED TO THE CITY OF NAPLES, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GIVEN HIGHER SCORES, AS WELL AS THOSE WITH MORE EXPERIENCE AUDITING CITIES AND OTHER LOCAL GOVERNMENT ORGANIZATIONS WITHIN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. AT THE CONCLUSION, THE SCORING COMMITTEE DECIDED TO REQUEST INTERVIEWS FROM THE TOP THREE FIRMS. AND THOSE INTERVIEWS WERE ASKED OF THE TOP THREE FIRMS AND CONDUCTED ON MAY 11TH. ON MAY 11TH, THE THREE FIRMS WERE ASKED FOR SEPARATE QUESTIONS. IT WAS THE SAME QUESTIONS ASKED OF EACH FIRM, AND THOSE WERE ANSWERED IN PRESENTATIONS PROVIDED BY EACH OF THE THREE FIRMS. FOLLOWING THE PRESENTATIONS, THE COMMITTEE DISCUSSED THEIR THOUGHTS AND THEY RANKED THE THREE FINALISTS WITH THE SAME ORDER AS AT THE INITIAL. AT THE INITIAL EVALUATION ON MAY 7TH. SO STILL NUMBER ONE WAS CLIFTON LARSON ALLEN NUMBER TWO, PURVIS GRAY. NUMBER THREE. FOUR VIS MAZARS. SOME OF THE REASONS PROVIDED FOR CLIFTON LARSON ALLEN AS THE TOP RANKED INCLUDED THEIR LOCAL PRESENCE, THEIR FIRMS LARGER SIZE AND THEIR FOCUS ON LOCAL GOVERNMENT MUNICIPAL AUDITING. AS A FIRM, THEY'RE RATHER LARGE, FIRM AND WITHIN THEIR PORTFOLIO OF CLIENTS, LOCAL GOVERNMENT MAKES UP A VERY, VERY LARGE PROPORTION OF WHAT THEY DO. AND ANOTHER THING THAT CAME UP WAS, YOU KNOW, AN APPRECIATION OF THEIR WILLINGNESS TO PERFORM A LOT OF THE INTERIM WORK. THEY MENTIONED SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 70 AND 80, 70 AND 80% BEFORE THE CLOSE OF THE FISCAL YEAR. SO TRYING TO GET AHEAD OF A LOT OF THAT WORK, ESPECIALLY WITH IT BEING A TRANSITION YEAR WITH A NEW FIRM. SO THE PURPOSE OF THIS MEETING, WE'RE SEEKING DIRECTION FROM CITY COUNCIL ON THE AUDITOR SELECTION COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION OF CLIFTON LARSON ALLEN AS THE NEW AUDIT FIRM, CITY COUNCIL, AS DESCRIBED IN THE STATUTE, MAY EITHER ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE'S RECOMMENDATION OR THEY MAY SELECT A DIFFERENT FIRM. AFTER DOCUMENTING THE REASON FOR NOT SELECTING THE HIGHEST RANKED FIRM. THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT THE STATUTE SAYS ABOUT THAT. AND IF WE'VE RECEIVED DIRECTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH CLIFTON LARSON ALLEN, WE WOULD BE WORKING WITH THE FIRM TO GET THE CONTRACT FORMALLY DRAFTED AND PUT FORWARD TO CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL AT A FUTURE MEETING. THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE. I'LL JUST SAY THAT PERSONALLY, FROM MY OBSERVATIONS DURING THE PRESENTATIONS, I FELT THAT ALL THREE OF THE FIRMS HAD A VERY SOUND AUDIT APPROACH. THE REASON THAT THE FIRMS ARE BROUGHT IN INITIALLY FOR INTERVIEWS WAS BECAUSE OF HOW IMPRESSIVE THEIR PRESENT, THEIR SUBMISSIONS WERE, AND THAT, YOU KNOW, AMONG THE THREE OF THEM, THEY ALL SCORED VERY HIGH. 
          CLIFTON LARSON, ALLEN, YOU KNOW, DID, IN THE COURSE OF THEIR PRESENTATION, PROVIDE AN AUDIT APPROACH THAT DID SEEM TO HIT ON A LOT OF THE HIGH POINTS OF AREAS THAT WE CONTINUALLY ADDRESS AND WORK TOWARDS IMPROVING IN TERMS OF INTERNAL CONTROLS. SO I CAN JUST SAY AS A I HAVEN'T WORKED DIRECTLY WITH CLIFTON LARSON ALLEN BEFORE, BUT BASED ON WHAT I SAW IN THE COURSE OF THIS PROCESS, I FEEL CONFIDENT THAT THEY WOULD BE A GOOD PARTNER FOR THE CITY. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD CERTAINLY BE WILLING AND ABLE TO WORK WITH ANY FIRM THAT CITY COUNCIL SELECTS. WITH THAT, IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN THOSE COUNCIL QUESTIONS. COMMENTS? I DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT WITH THAT. MAYOR. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A 
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MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE COMMITTEE'S PROPOSAL TO MAKE. CLIFTON. LARSON ALLEN, OUR AUDITOR. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER SECOND, SECOND, SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER PENNIMAN. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENNIMAN. YES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHULTZ. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KROLL. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. 
          VICE MAYOR. BLANKENSHIP. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. AND MAYOR HARTMAN. YES. THANK YOU. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. COUNCIL. THANK YOU, MR. RUSSELL. GOING TO. SHE WAS HERE. YES. 
          THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE ALL DAY. THANK YOU. I WANT TO DO THE AIRPORT NOW. OR DO YOU THINK THERE'S MORE PEOPLE COMING? 14 D WE'RE WE'RE SCHEDULED TO GO. 14 A YEAH. 14 OKAY, I HAVE A TIME. I HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH THE VICE. MAYOR'S LEAVING. HAS TO LEAVE AT FOUR THREE. UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S AN UPDATE. MY FLIGHT WAS CANCELED. OH, PERFECT. SO TRYING TO RESCHEDULE IT. MY DAUGHTER'S TRYING TO RESCHEDULE IT, SO IT LOOKS LIKE IT WILL BE TOMORROW. OKAY, SO WE'LL MOVE ON. BUT MAYBE I SHOULD HAVE KEPT THAT DEADLINE. THANK YOU. 
          [14.A) A Resolution Approving a Merit Increase for the City Clerk; and Providing an Effective Date.]
MAYOR, I'LL BE OUT OF HERE RIGHT NOW. I SLIPPED UP, SO WE ARE MOVING TO. THANK YOU. ITEM 14, A MR. MCCONNELL. A RESOLUTION APPROVING A MERIT INCREASE FOR THE CITY CLERK AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. GOOD AFTERNOON, MISS RAMOS. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. OKAY, I WILL START OUT. THIS ITEM IS A PERFORMANCE REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION OF A MERIT INCREASE FOR YOUR CITY CLERK IN YOUR PACKET. THE. I PROVIDED THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL WITH A COPY OF MY AMENDED EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT, WHICH BASICALLY AMENDS MY AGREEMENT SO THAT I WOULD BE ELIGIBLE FOR MERIT INCREASES IN THE SAME MANNER AS EVERY OTHER NON-BARGAINING EMPLOYEE FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES. THIS YEAR, THE CITY REVISED ITS POLICY ON MERIT INCREASES, AND RATHER THAN ON THE ANNIVERSARY DATE, THEY PROVIDED INCREASES EFFECTIVE APRIL 1ST, AND NON-BARGAINING EMPLOYEES WHOSE PERFORMANCE WAS SATISFACTORY OR ABOVE, RECEIVED A 4% MERIT INCREASE THIS YEAR ACROSS THE BOARD. SO INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET IS THE CITY CLERK'S 2020 ANNUAL REPORT, TOGETHER WITH AN AGENDA MEMORANDUM WHERE I HIGHLIGHTED KEY ACCOMPLISHMENTS ACHIEVED OVER THE PAST YEAR. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO BRIEFLY HIGHLIGHT SEVERAL OF THE OPERATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS, COST SAVING INITIATIVES, AND MAJOR ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT WERE COMPLETED BY OUR OFFICE LAST YEAR. SO THIS CITY CLERK'S OFFICE CONTINUES TO BE RECOGNIZED AS ONE OF THE LEADING MUNICIPAL CLERKS OFFICES IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA THROUGH ITS ONGOING COMMITMENT TO PROCESS IMPROVEMENTS, TRANSPARENCY INITIATIVES, AND TECHNOLOGY ADVANCEMENTS. THIS ALL IMPROVES OUR PUBLIC ACCESS TO THE CITY'S OFFICIAL RECORDS AND SERVICES. THIS YEAR, WE IMPLEMENTED SEVERAL COST SAVINGS MEASURES AND REVENUE RECOVERY INITIATIVES. WE SAVED APPROXIMATELY 5000 IN RECORDS MANAGEMENT. COST SAVINGS RETURNED 75000 TO THE GENERAL FUND IN THE LAST FISCAL YEAR, AN ESTIMATED 60 TO 80 000 IN FUTURE SAVINGS THROUGH IMPLEMENTATION OF A PROPOSED ONLINE LEGAL NOTICE ADVERTISING PROCESS, WHICH I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT LATER. 
          CONTINUING TO RECOVER PETITIONER LEGAL ADVERTISING COSTS COLLECTING MORE THAN 14000 IN SPECIAL SERVICE FEES FOR PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE CITY'S POLICY, AND RECOVERING APPROXIMATELY 8000 IN ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS FROM THE ETHICS COMMISSION. I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT JUST SEVERAL SIGNIFICANT ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT WE COMPLETED THIS YEAR. IN ADDITION TO PREPARING FOR AND ADMINISTERING ALL THE ELECTION 
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RELATED DUTIES IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY CODE AND THE STATE ELECTION LAWS FOR THE 2026 GENERAL ELECTION. FIRST, I EVALUATED AND RECOMMENDED A UNIFIED RECORDS MANAGEMENT SOLUTION TO REDUCE DUPLICATION OF SERVICES AND COST AND ELIMINATED THE LASERFICHE SUBSCRIPTION COSTS. THIS RECOMMENDATION WAS BASED ON EXPANDING THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT'S RECORDS FOR INCLUDING ALL THE CITY VIEW BUILDING PERMITS THAT ARE NOW ABLE TO BE DOWNLOADED INTO QUEST'S. BECAUSE THESE BOTH TECHNOLOGIES ARE UNDER THE SAME UMBRELLA COMPANY WITH HARRIS COMPUTER, SO THAT THEY'RE COMPATIBLE WITH EACH OTHER. SO WE LOOK FORWARD TO COMPLETING THAT PROJECT WITHIN THE NEXT MONTH. AND AS PART OF THAT INITIATIVE, WE RECREATED THE CITY'S HISTORICAL RECORDS REPOSITORY BY RENAMING, REORGANIZING, AND UPLOADING THE OFFICIAL RECORDS DATING BACK TO 1925. BACKUP INTO QUEST'S. WE STARTED OVER. WE DIDN'T USE THE SAME RECORDS THAT WE INITIALLY HAD A FEW YEARS AGO IN QUEST'S, BUT WE WANTED IT TO BE MORE RELIABLE, LIKE THE LASERFICHE REPOSITORY. SO WE DID IT ALL OVER. IT WAS AN EXTREMELY LABOR INTENSIVE. WE FINISHED IN DECEMBER, AND WE NOW HAVE OVER 24,000 HISTORICAL RECORDS THAT ARE SEARCHABLE ON THE WEBSITE. WE'RE CURRENTLY WORKING WITH THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT TO CREATE A CENTRALIZED REPOSITORY FOR ALL THEIR PERMIT FILES WITHIN CITY VIEW, AND THEY THEY HAVE OTHER RECORDS TOO, THAT WE ULTIMATELY THAT ARE IN VARIOUS LOCATIONS AND ON DIFFERENT SERVERS, CDS, WHEREVER THEY MIGHT BE. AFTER WE GET EVERYTHING IN THE REPOSITORY FROM CITY VIEW, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD UPON THAT SO THAT WE CONTINUE TO BUILD UPON THEIR RECORDS SO THEY BECOME MORE RELIABLE. AND ANOTHER SIGNIFICANT EFFORT OVER THE LAST YEAR WAS MANAGING OVER 5200 PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR CITYWIDE, IN COMPLIANCE WITH CHAPTER 119 FLORIDA STATUTES. AND IN ADDITION TO THOSE PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS, WE COORDINATED RESPONSES INVOLVING SUBPOENAS. COMPLEX LITIGATION MATTERS, LEGAL DISCOVERY REQUESTS, AND THESE CASES INVOLVED A SUBSTANTIAL AND HIGHLY DETAILED WORK, INCLUDING EVALUATING ALL THE SEARCHES, REVIEWING TENS OF THOUSANDS OF RECORDS FOR CONFIDENTIAL AND EXEMPT INFORMATION, AND COORDINATING RESPONSES CITYWIDE TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH STATE STATUTE AND COURT DEADLINES. 
          AND FINALLY, LAST FALL, I COMPLETED A TWO YEAR PROFESSIONAL LEADERSHIP PROGRAM THROUGH THE INTERNATIONAL INSTITUTE OF MUNICIPAL CLERKS UNDER THE EDUCATION PLUS PROGRAM, WHICH IS OFFERED EXCLUSIVELY ONLY TO MASTER MUNICIPAL CLERKS, AND I RECEIVED A BRONZE LEVEL CERTIFICATE. AND I WANT TO THANK THE MEMBERS OF COUNCIL FOR MEETING WITH ME IN PREPARATION FOR THIS MATTER. IT CONTINUES TO BE MY HONOR TO SERVE AS YOUR CITY CLERK, AND I REMAIN COMMITTED TO MAINTAINING THE HIGHEST PROFESSIONAL STANDARDS FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES AND CONTINUING TO IMPROVE UPON OUR EFFICIENCY, TRANSPARENCY AND ACCESSIBILITY OF CITY CLERK SERVICES FOR OUR STAFF, THE RESIDENTS, AND THE PUBLIC. SO THANK YOU TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY. A LOT OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS WITHIN THAT DEPARTMENT, AND I JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS THAT WE DIDN'T MEET ABOUT YOUR REVIEW, BUT WE DO MEET FREQUENTLY. SO WITH THE LEGAL REIMBURSEMENTS, THOSE ARE FOR THE ADS, CORRECT? THAT YOU'RE. YES. SO THOSE ARE $3,000 THAT YOU'RE THAT WE SAVED FOR LEGAL ADS. YES. BECAUSE YOU CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN HOW THAT PROCESS WORKS? SO, SO SURE. SO AFTER I BECAME CITY CLERK AND I CAME IN ON A ZERO BASED BUDGET, WE WERE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT DOLLARS. AND IT CAME TO MY ATTENTION THAT THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE HAD A VERY LARGE BUDGET FOR LEGAL ADVERTISING. AND SO I WONDERED WHAT THAT WAS FOR. AND AS I GOT MORE INVOLVED, I FOUND OUT THAT THE CITY WAS PAYING FOR PETITIONERS LEGAL ADS TO BE PUBLISHED IN THE NEWSPAPER. SO IMMEDIATELY AFTER THAT, I STARTED PREPARING A REIMBURSEMENT INVOICE FOR THE PETITIONERS TO PAY US BACK FOR THE MONEY THAT WE FUNDED. SO THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON NOW SINCE 2012. BUT SOME YEARS THE REIMBURSEMENTS ARE MORE SUBSTANTIAL. BUT AS PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT IS DOWN, THEN THOSE LEGAL RECAP RECRUITMENTS 
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KIND OF GO DOWN WITH THAT. SO LAST YEAR WE DIDN'T COLLECT AS MUCH, ONLY BECAUSE THERE WASN'T AS MUCH ACTIVITY AS YEARS PAST. BUT I KNOW OVER THE YEARS I STARTED WITH A $50,000 LEGAL ADVERTISEMENT BUDGET LINE ITEM, AND I THINK THAT'S NOW DOWN TO LIKE 30, IF NOT LESS. AND JUST AN UPDATE ON LASERFICHE. YOU KIND OF TOUCHED ON IT. SO LASERFICHE IS NO LONGER BEING UTILIZED, RIGHT? WE CANCEL. WE CANCELED OUR SUBSCRIPTION TO LASERFICHE IN FEBRUARY. SO WHEN WE FIRST WENT INTO LASERFICHE, WE KEPT OUR SUBSCRIPTION TO CRUSTY'S ACTIVE, AND I WANTED TO DO THAT FOR A SIX MONTH PERIOD SO WE COULD DO AN OVERLAP OF SEARCHES TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING CONSISTENT SEARCHES IN BOTH REPOSITORIES. SO EVERYTHING WAS GOOD ON OUR END. AND THEN AS TECHNOLOGY CHANGES, WHO WOULD KNOW? QUESTI STARTED AS A VERY LOCAL COMPANY. ACTUALLY, THE GENTLEMAN WHO DEVELOPED CRUSTY'S CAME FROM NAPLES, FLORIDA, AND HE SOLD IT TO A COMPANY IN CALIFORNIA. AND THEN THEY SOLD IT A FEW MORE TIMES. 
          AND THE SERVICE REQUEST IS JUST DIED. AND IT WASN'T GOOD. AND THAT'S WHEN WE WENT TO LASERFICHE BECAUSE IT WAS A VERY HIGH END, ROBUST REPOSITORY OF SORTS AND DO A LOT MORE THAN JUST RECORDS MANAGEMENT. BUT THEN WE FOUND OUT THAT QUEST'S ALL OF A SUDDEN APPEARED IN THE HARRIS UMBRELLA, WITH CITY VIEW PERMITTING. AND WHEN I SAW THAT, THE WHEELS STARTED TURNING BECAUSE IT'S LIKE, WELL, THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH FOREVER TO GET OUR BUILDING DEPARTMENT RECORDS DOWN INTO THE CITY'S REPOSITORY AND BACKED UP, BECAUSE TODAY THERE'S NO BACKUP FOR ANY OF THE BUILDING RECORDS. SO WE WERE ABLE TO SAVE MONEY BY CANCELING LASERFICHE. AND OUR SERVICE LEVEL IS STILL ABOUT THE SAME. SO I DON'T THINK WE'RE GOING TO NOTICE ANY DIFFERENCE. AND ALL OF OUR RECORDS ARE STILL ONLINE, SEARCHABLE TO THE PUBLIC. AND I HAVEN'T HEARD A COMPLAINT THAT NO ONE CAN FIND ANYTHING. SO I THINK EVERYTHING'S WORKING. I'M JUST LOOKING FORWARD TO EXPANDING THAT TO THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT. AND THEN ALSO FURTHER OTHER RECORDS AND OTHER DEPARTMENTS THROUGHOUT THE CITY. WELL, THERE ARE NUMEROUS THINGS THAT I'M NOT MENTIONING THAT YOU HAVE INCLUDED IN HERE THAT THE CLERK IS RESPONSIBLE FOR AND IN SUPPORTING COUNCIL. SO I THANK YOU. AND IF THE COUNCIL. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YES, I CONCUR, YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I CAN I CAN ONLY AMPLIFY THAT AS WELL. SO THANK YOU. OKAY. I HAVE YES. THANK YOU. I'LL DO A GREAT JOB. WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. YOU AND YOUR WHOLE TEAM. THE QUESTION I HAVE IS ON THE RESOLUTION. IT HAS A BLANK FOR THE PERCENTAGE INCREASE IN COMPENSATION. AND I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT IN GENERAL, CITY EMPLOYEES ON AVERAGE RECEIVED A 4% INCREASE APRIL 1ST. YES. WAS THAT THE SAME FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT? YES. 
          AVERAGE DEPARTMENT. YES. AND BASED ON THAT, WOULD YOU BE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT SAME 4%? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. SO GOOD JOB. YEAH. YOU ALL HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO WITH THAT, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE RESOLUTION WITH THE 4% INCREASE. FILLED IN AND THE RESOLUTION THAT WAS IN THE PACKET. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY VICE MAYOR AND I HAVE A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE COUNCIL. AND I HAVE NO PUBLIC COMMENT. COUNCIL MEMBER KROLL. YES, COUNCILMEMBER SCHULTZ. YES. VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP. YES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENNYMAN. YES. 
          MAYOR HARTMAN. YES. THANK YOU. PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT WITH OUR WITH THE CITY COUNCIL AND ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS. THANK YOU. MAYOR AND COUNCIL. 
          DON'T GO ANYWHERE SOON. I'LL BE BACK SHORTLY. OKAY, SO THAT CONCLUDES 14 A MOVING TO 14 B. 
          [14.B) A Resolution Approving a Second Amendment to Agreement for City Attorney Legal Services Extending the Term and Amending the Hourly Rates; Authorizing the Mayor to Execute the Second Amendment to the Legal Services Agreement; Providing for Scrivener’s Errors and an Effective Date.]
THAT WOULD BE MR. MCCONNELL. YES. THANK YOU. MAYOR. A RESOLUTION APPROVING A SECOND A 
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SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE AGREEMENT FOR CITY ATTORNEY LEGAL SERVICES EXTENDING THE TERM AND AND AMENDING THE HOURLY RATES, AUTHORIZING THE MAYOR TO EXECUTE THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE LEGAL SERVICES AGREEMENT, PROVIDING FOR SCRIVENER'S ERRORS AND AN EFFECTIVE DATE. SO BRIEF HISTORY AND I INCLUDED BOTH THE. THE ORIGINAL CONTRACT FIRST AMENDMENT, THE PROPOSED SECOND AMENDMENT, AND THEN THE 2020 425 ANNUAL REPORT, WHICH I WILL BE DOING AGAIN DURING THE AUGUST BUDGET WORKSHOP. I JUST FELT LIKE IT WAS IMPORTANT FOR THE NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS TO KIND OF SEE EXACTLY HOW LAST YEAR WENT WHEN IT CAME TO EXPENSES, WHAT WE WERE INVOLVED IN, ETC. BY NOW YOU'VE ALL BEEN COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR THE NEW ONE SPECIFICALLY FOR THREE MONTHS, SO YOU ALSO HAVE RECEIVED MY MONTHLY INVOICE EMAILS WHERE I KIND OF IDENTIFY, BECAUSE WE KEEP TRACK OF WHETHER TIME IS SPENT WITH THE ADMINISTRATION, LITIGATION, SO ON AND SO FORTH. THE ONE THING I WILL MENTION IS, IS THIS REPORT FOR THIS UPCOMING YEAR WILL BE A LOT MORE SPECIFIC, BECAUSE WHAT WE WERE DOING WAS EVERY AGREEMENT THAT WE REVIEWED, WE WERE PUTTING UNDER PURCHASING. SO PURCHASING LOOKED LIKE WE WERE WORKING 40% OF OUR TIME ON BECAUSE WE DO REVIEW A LOT OF AGREEMENTS, BUT WE'VE NOW SPECIFIED THE DEPARTMENTS THAT THEY'RE COMING FROM. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE MORE ACCURATE NUMBERS ON WHERE DEPARTMENTS ARE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE'RE SPENDING MOST OF OUR TIME. I WILL SAY TO DATE, WE REVIEWED 128 RESOLUTIONS, 90 AGREEMENTS, 14 ORDINANCES. SO THE REASON I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE ADMINISTRATION ASPECT OF IT IS BECAUSE, YES, WE HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS. YES, I'M HERE MOST OF THE TIME. AND YES, THESE HEARINGS CAN BE QUITE LONG, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF DAY TO DAYS THAT GO ON, AND YOUR LEGAL DEPARTMENT IS REALLY INVOLVED IN A LOT OF ASPECTS OF THE CITY ADMINISTRATION. SO YOU HAVE THREE CHARTER OFFICERS. I WORK WELL WITH MR. YOUNG. I WORK WELL WITH MISS RAMBO, I BELIEVE. YOU KNOW, I TALKED TO PROBABLY MR. YOUNG AT LEAST ONCE OR TWICE A DAY. MISS RAMBO IS THE SAME. JUST BECAUSE THERE'S A LEGAL ASPECT OF PUBLIC RECORDS, THERE'S A LEGAL ASPECT OF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO AT THE ADMINISTRATION LEVEL. SO WE ARE REALLY INVOLVED IN WHATEVER WE NEED TO BE FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT. NOW, I WILL SAY THE DIFFERENCE FROM WHEN I WAS SELECTED TILL NOW, BECAUSE THIS ULTIMATELY, THE CONTRACT WAS SET UP FOR ONE TWO YEAR PERIOD WITH THREE ADDITIONAL ONE YEAR PERIODS. IS CONTINUITY AND EXPERIENCE. RIGHT WHEN WHEN WE WERE SELECTED, IT WAS OUR FIRST TIME REPRESENTING THE CITY. BUT FAST FORWARD TWO YEARS, YOU'VE BUILT RELATIONSHIPS WITH STAFF. THERE'S TRUST THERE. YOU UNDERSTAND CODES, YOU UNDERSTAND HOW THE CITY OPERATES. YOU'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE PROCESSES AND YOU'RE ANSWERING QUESTIONS QUICKER BECAUSE OF THE EXPERIENCE YOU'VE GAINED IN THE LAST TWO YEARS. ULTIMATELY, WHAT THE SECOND AMENDMENT AIMS TO DO IS ACTUALLY AMEND THE TERM FOR IT TO BE AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL. THE REASON THAT WE THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS APPROPRIATE, AND IT'S REALLY UP TO COUNCIL IF YOU'D RATHER THIS COME BEFORE YOU EVERY YEAR, IT'S JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE. THE CONTRACT ITSELF ALREADY HAS A 90 DAY TERMINATION THAT EITHER PARTY CAN EXERCISE. SO THE AUTOMATIC RENEWALS, IN OUR OPINION, WERE JUST SOMETHING THAT DIDN'T NECESSARILY NEED TO OCCUR. HOWEVER, WILLING TO AMEND THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S UP TO REALLY COUNCIL IF YOU CONTINUE IF YOU WOULD CONTINUE TO WANT THIS EVERY YEAR, ALTHOUGH OUR CONTRACT DOES ALREADY INCLUDE A PERFORMANCE REVIEW THAT USUALLY OCCURS PRIOR TO BUDGET, AT LEAST DID LAST YEAR. SO ESSENTIALLY OUR PERFORMANCE AND OUR SERVICES WILL COME UP DURING BUDGET ANYWAYS. IN ADDITION TO THAT, I HAVE REQUESTED HOURLY RATE ADJUSTMENTS. THESE NUMBERS WERE VERY WELL THOUGHT OUT. THEY WEREN'T JUST PICKED OUT OF THIN AIR. ULTIMATELY, WE RUN A BUSINESS. THERE IS FOR ATTORNEYS. YOU INCLUDE MR. BROOKS, WHICH IS A SEPARATE CONTRACT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE EIGHT OFFICE STAFF. AND SO WHEN YOU SEE MY MONTHLY INVOICES THAT I SEND, MY RATE BEING 230, I THINK THE BLENDED HOURLY RATE THAT THE CITY IS PAYING RARELY GOES OVER $200. IT'S USUALLY IN THE RANGE OF 180 TO 190. AND THAT'S BECAUSE I'M GETTING OFFICE STAFF INVOLVED, ASSOCIATE ATTORNEYS INVOLVED. 
          BUT ULTIMATELY, WE'RE RANGING ANYWHERE BETWEEN 300 AND 50 TO OVER $400 A MONTH IN LEGAL SERVICES, BASED ON THE REQUESTS COMING IN AND THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO. SO I LOOKED AT PRIOR CITY ATTORNEY CONTRACTS SPECIFICALLY FOR THE CITY OF NAPLES, PUTTING THE LAW FIRM ASIDE, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT WAS A FLAT RATE THAT CONTINUED TO JUMP UP DURING BUDGET SIGN EVERY NOW AND THEN. YOU KNOW, THE 230 RATE WAS WHAT MR. BOB PRITT WAS CHARGING IN 2002, I THINK IT WAS ACTUALLY 235, ALTHOUGH HIS RATE WAS DIFFERENTIATED BY PARTNER ASSOCIATE, AND THEN PARALEGAL, HIS PARALEGAL RATE IN 2002 WAS $85. WHEN HE ENDED HIS TERM IN 2020, HIS ATTORNEY RATE WAS 275 AND HIS PARALEGAL RATE WAS 125. WHEN WHEN THE VOSS LAW FIRM 
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ENDED, OR I GUESS THAT CONTRACT WAS TERMINATED AND YOU GUYS SELECTED AN INTERIM ATTORNEY, THAT CITY ATTORNEY RATE FOR MR. BROOKS AND MR. STOKES WAS ALSO 275 AN HOUR. SO WHILE WE APPRECIATE WHAT THEY WERE TRYING, I JUST I WANTED TO GIVE YOU SOME CONTEXT AS TO WHERE THESE NUMBERS CAME FROM. SO THE CITY ATTORNEY RATE, I'M REQUESTING IT BE RAISED FROM 230 TO 250. SENIOR ATTORNEY WOULD BE 220 TO 230, WHICH ARE PEOPLE LIKE ODIE AND ANDREW, PEOPLE THAT YOU'VE DEALT WITH ON A DAILY BASIS. ASSOCIATE ATTORNEY IS 200, WHICH WOULD BE SOMEONE LIKE SHARON AND THEN THE PARALEGAL LEGAL ASSISTANT. IT WAS AT 75, SO I WANTED TO BRING IT BACK UP TO NOT THE HIGHEST THAT THE CITY HAS PAID BEFORE, WHICH IS THE 125. BUT JUST SOMETHING THAT WAS MORE IN THE MIDDLE. AND WITH THAT, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          PULLING UP ANYWHERE FROM 75 TO 100. THANK YOU. NO. AND IT'S ALL IDENTIFIED IN THE SECOND AMENDMENT. THAT'S PART OF THE BACKUP DOCUMENTS. I KIND OF DID A CROSS A STRIKE THROUGH AND UNDERLINE. YEAH. SO THANK YOU. I DO HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PARALEGAL BECAUSE THE PARALEGAL WAS WITHIN THE CITY HALL WITHIN THE CITY STAFF. SO TO MAKE THE DISTINCTION, YOU HAVE A PARALEGAL WITHIN THE FIRM. DICKMAN. FIRM, CORRECT. SO MAUREEN TAYLOR AT THE CITY IS IS IDENTIFIED AS A LEGAL COORDINATOR. OKAY. CLEARLY SHE'S ON SALARY, SO I DON'T CHARGE HOURLY FOR HER TIME. BUT I DO HAVE TWO PARALEGALS AND LEGAL ASSISTANTS AT THE LAW FIRM TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. OKAY. THANK YOU. WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE RESOLUTION, I PERSONALLY WE DISCUSSED THIS. I, I THINK JUST NOT FOR YOU, BUT FOR THE FUTURE AND FOR THOSE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT ARE COMING ON AND DON'T KNOW THE HISTORY TO HAVE AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL. I DIDN'T SEE A REAL NEED FOR IT BEING THAT YOU MADE THAT COMMENT, THAT THERE'S A REVIEW. 
          SO, I MEAN, IF COUNCIL WANTS AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL, THAT'S IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I WOULD DISAGREE WITH. I JUST DIDN'T THINK IT WAS NECESSARY TO DO TO DO THAT. WHEN I LOOK AT THIS RESOLUTION, CAN YOU TELL ME THE SECOND? WHEREAS WHEN YOU SAY THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE CONTRACT OR THE FIRST AMENDMENT TO THE CONTRACT, WHICH IS NUMBER ONE, MANAGING, DIRECTING AND COORDINATING ALL LEGAL ACTIONS, COMPLAINTS, SUITS. CONTROVERSIES IN WHICH THE CITY HAS THE NAME AND THE PARTY, INCLUDING CASES BEING HANDLED BY DEFENSE COUNSEL AND THE RISK MANAGEMENT. CAN YOU JUST TELL ME HOW THAT PROCESS IS WORKING AT THE PRESENT TIME? SURE. SO. 
          OKAY, I'LL I'LL TAKE IT FROM SERVICE OF PROCESS, WHICH I WILL SAY I WAS GOING TO MENTION HERE TO I AM GOING TO PROPOSE A RESOLUTION THAT CITY COUNCIL AUTHORIZE ONLY THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO RECEIVE SERVICE OF PROCESS. JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, I THINK IT'S AN IMPORTANT THING FOR US TO GET. BUT PUTTING THAT ASIDE, MAJORITY OF THE TIME OUR OFFICE HAS A PROCESS SERVER THAT IS SERVING US WITH SOMETHING RIGHT. SLIP AND FALL, SUBPOENA, ETC. 
          SO IT STARTS WITH US. WE THEN FACILITATE THAT IF IT'S IF IT'S A SLIP AND FALL, OR IF IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH RISK MANAGEMENT. WE FACILITATE THAT TO LORI. AND RIGHT NOW THE PROCESS IS ME, ODIE, GARY, LORI AND I BELIEVE RAYMOND IN OUR OFFICE ARE COPIED ON THAT EMAIL. 
          SO THAT IS THE INITIAL SERVICE OF PROCESS BECAUSE GENERALLY SPEAKING, YOU HAVE A CERTAIN TIME FRAME DEPENDING ON WHAT THE CLAIM IS TO RESPOND. LORI WILL THEN RECEIVE IT, LOOK THROUGH THE INSURANCE CARRIER, DETERMINE WHO THE APPROPRIATE ATTORNEYS ARE POTENTIALLY, AND SHE WILL RESPOND TO THE EMAIL IN WHICH MR. YOUNG, MYSELF OR ODIE, OR A MIXTURE OF US WILL COORDINATE WHO. AND LORI HERSELF WILL COORDINATE WHO WE BELIEVE THE BEST COUNSEL IS FOR THE CLAIM THAT IS BEING SERVED ON US. AND AT THAT POINT, THAT COUNSEL IS SELECTED, AND THEN THE CITY IS NOW REPRESENTED. AND NOW WE I WOULD SAY THERE ARE CASES THAT WE COORDINATE IN MORE THAN OTHERS. FOR EXAMPLE, SOME OF THE BIGGER CASES, AS COUNCIL KNOWS THAT THAT WE ARE MORE INVOLVED WITH. BUT THAT'S GENERALLY HOW THE PROCESS WORKS. AND I KNOW MR. YOUNG PROBABLY. 
          WELL, HE ABSOLUTELY CAN CLARIFY. AND I WOULD SAY THAT THAT PROCESS THAT WE WORKED OUT IS, IS THAT WHEN IN THE EVENT THAT LORI SENDS IT OUT AND THE ATTORNEYS BELIEVE THERE IS SHOULD BE SOMEBODY ELSE THAT WOULD BE REFERRED TO RATHER THAN JUST REAFFIRMING, YEAH, 
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THAT LOOKS GOOD. THEY'LL MAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATION IN THE SAME EMAIL STRING. AND IF I HAVE QUESTIONS, I REACH OUT TO ODIE AND MATTHEW AND SAY, OKAY, SO TELL ME WHY THIS ATTORNEY IS BETTER. IT'S NOT JUST A BLANK. THIS IS WHAT YOU SHOULD DO. WE'VE, WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS. 
          AND THEN I AFFIRM TO LORI. THAT IN WHEN THE THE. MR. MCCONNELL OR HIS FIRM RECOMMENDS SOMEBODY ELSE AS TO WHETHER WE ACCEPT THAT RECOMMENDATION. SO IT'S NOT JUST A COMPLETE DIRECTIVE EITHER. I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT DELINEATION IS THERE. THEY MAKE THAT CASE AND AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE TIMES WHERE IT'S LIKE, OKAY, NO. AND THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE TIMES AFTER THE EXPLANATION, THEY INCLUDE AN EMAIL. I'VE CALLED AND HAD CONVERSATIONS, BUT IT'S WORKED. IT'S, IT'S BEEN WORKING PRETTY WELL IN THAT REGARD. SO AND HE'S RIGHT. AND MR. MCCONNELL IS RIGHT IN THAT REGARD. AS FAR AS THE BIGGER CASES, ALL OF THOSE ONES YOU KNOW ABOUT BY THE TIME IT GETS AROUND TO THAT ANYWAY. SO. WELL, YES, BUT I THINK THAT A MORE FORMAL, INFORMATIVE WAY OF LETTING US KNOW THAT'S HAPPENING WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. I KNOW THAT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY DOESN'T DISCLOSE ACTIONS, BUT AT LEAST LET'S, YOU KNOW, THE DISCLOSES THE CASES THAT ARE HAPPENING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT BEING THAT WE DON'T MEET ONE ON ONE TO DISCUSS ALL THE CASES THAT ARE ACTIVE, THEN IT'S JUST ONE AND DONE AND THE PUBLIC'S INFORMED, BUT IT'S NOT A DETAILED YOU FOLLOW? YEAH. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. AND THAT'S JUST FOR RISK MANAGEMENT. I DO WANT TO SAY THAT THERE WHEN WE INITIALLY WERE SELECTED, THERE WAS. I'LL GIVE YOU A RANGE 14 TO 18 CASES THAT WERE JUST NOT RISK MANAGEMENT, RIGHT? THAT WERE EITHER PRO SE DEFENDANTS OR BEING HANDLED BY OUTSIDE COUNSEL. A LOT OF THEM TO DATE, MINUS TWO THAT WERE FILED IN MARYLAND RECENTLY WERE ZERO. I SENT YOU THE LAST ORDER THAT WE RECEIVED, I THINK, LAST WEEK. SO WE'VE TAKEN THAT 14 TO 0. 
          AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT MEANS THAT THAT LEGALIZED ADDITIONAL SPECIALIZED COUNSEL LINE ITEM IN YOUR BUDGET WHEN WE STARTED WAS AT 175. THIS YEAR ALONE, WE'VE ONLY SPENT $3,300 ON OUTSIDE COUNSEL. THE BIG TICKET HAS BEEN THE AIRPORT. SO OUT OF THE $97,000 SPENT, 94,000 AND SOME CHANGE HAS BEEN ON THE LOBBYIST COAL BAR, ETC. SO WHILE THE NUMBERS HAVEN'T CHANGED, THEY REALLY HAVE IN THAT ALL OF THOSE OTHER CASES HAVE BEEN EITHER RESOLVED OR ARE DONE WITH. SO WE'RE NOT REALLY SPENDING A LOT OF ADDITIONAL MONEY. FOR EXAMPLE, SMALL CELL TOWERS AS WELL, LIKE WE WERE PAYING AN OUTSIDE ATTORNEY AT GRAY ROBINSON TO REVIEW THOSE, AND I HAD DONE THEM IN OTHER CITIES. SO WE'RE JUST KEEPING THAT IN-HOUSE UNDER THE GENERAL BUDGET. THAT'S THE KIND OF TRANSPARENCY I'M LOOKING FOR, BECAUSE I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THAT. I DIDN'T KNOW YOU WERE REVIEWING THEM, WHICH THAT'S GREAT IF YOU ARE, BUT. IT'S JUST MAYBE THE REPORTING IS DIFFERENT IN. SO IT'S DELEGATION WISE, IT'S A LITTLE BIT BETTER TO UNDERSTAND. AND I DON'T MEAN JUST RISK MANAGEMENT. I MEAN ALL THE OTHER CASES THAT WE'RE WORKING ON JUST SO THAT WE HAVE GOT IT. YEAH. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING. 
          WELL, THE ONLY THING I IN LOOKING AT YOUR I DON'T I DON'T WANT THIS. I DON'T WANT ANYTHING. I DON'T WANT TO SUSPEND YOU FOR HOW MANY TIMES I SAID, I DON'T WANT TO SPEND ONE MORE DOLLAR ON ANYBODY'S LEGAL SERVICES THAT I HAVE TO. HAVING SAID THAT, ON. WHAT PAGE IS THIS? COME ON. WHAT PAGE ARE YOU ON YOUR ANNUAL REPORT, THE GENERAL LEGAL SERVICES THAT YOU'RE PROVIDED. PAGE SIX. WHAT THE REGULAR COMMUNICATIONS WITH COUNCIL MEMBERS. I DON'T I DON'T KNOW HOW THE ACCOUNTING WOULD BE, BUT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE HOW MANY HOURS YOU SPEND WITH US IN A WEEK OR A MONTH. HOW HARD THAT IS. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ACTUALLY NOT DIFFICULT. SO AS PART OF OUR AND I CAN, I CAN PROVIDE THAT EASILY, ACTUALLY. BUT THE ONE THING TO KEEP IN MIND IS AS PART OF OUR HOURLY RATE, THERE IS A FLAT FEE, $15,000 COST PER WHAT WE CONSIDER TRANSITORY COMMUNICATIONS, WHICH IS ANYTHING POINT THREE OR LESS. 
          RIGHT. SO FOR EXAMPLE, AND THAT NUMBER FLUCTUATES WHEN WE'RE AT THE HOLIDAYS LIKE DECEMBER, THAT THAT MATTER WILL ONLY BE PROBABLY 12 TO $13,000 BECAUSE I STILL BILL IT. BUT THEN IN JANUARY, IT'S 19 TO 21,000, RIGHT? SO IT KIND OF FLUCTUATES. AND I WOULD SAY IT AVERAGE OVER 
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THE YEAR BECOMES 16,000. BUT THAT FLAT RATE NEVER CHANGES. HOWEVER, I CAN ABSOLUTELY RUN THOSE NUMBERS FOR YOU. IF YOU GIVE ME A TIME FRAME, IT WOULD BE A LITTLE EASIER BECAUSE A LOT OF THE COMMUNICATIONS I HAVE WITH A MAJORITY OF YOU FALL WITHIN THAT POINT THREE OR LESS. YEAH. I JUST WONDER BECAUSE I, I THINK ABOUT YOU AND ALSO OUR CITY MANAGER AND THERE'S X NUMBER OF HOURS IN THE DAY. AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU DO IT BECAUSE BECAUSE OF SUNSHINE, YOU GOT TO I MEAN, IT'S, I DON'T THINK THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS HOW CUMBERSOME THAT IS. WELL, WE BOTH HAVE FUN DOING IT. SO YEAH, BUT BUT THAT TRANSIENT I THINK IS A VERY GOOD POINT. COMMUNICATIONS IS NOT JUST COUNCIL, BUT THERE'S ALSO THERE'S STAFF TIME AND THEN THERE'S THE PUBLIC. CORRECT. THAT'S IN THAT. CORRECT. RIGHT. I WOULD SAY WHEN IT COMES TO PUBLIC. SOMETIMES THERE'S A MISCONCEPTION THAT LIKE, I AM THE PUBLIC'S ATTORNEY, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY'RE LIKE, OH, YOU'RE MY I'M A CITY RESIDENT. 
          AND SO I DO MY BEST. I AM VERY CORDIAL TO EVERYONE. I TAKE A LOT OF PHONE CALLS AND I'M ALWAYS TRYING TO HELP. BUT THERE'S A FINE LINE BETWEEN ME HEARING YOU OUT, TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, GET MR. YOUNG INVOLVED AND WORK THROUGH YOUR ISSUE AND ACTUALLY PROVIDING YOU LEGAL ADVICE, WHICH IS A FUN THING TO NAVIGATE AT TIMES. BUT YES, MAYOR, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, A LOT OF THAT IS STAFF TIME, BECAUSE THIS AGENDA IS KIND OF LIKE. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE ONE BEFORE, I MEAN, THERE'S A WHOLE APPROVAL PROCESS THAT GOES ON BEHIND THE SCENES THAT EVEN BEFORE IT GETS INTO PEAK, THAT RESOLUTION AND AGREEMENT ARE BEING REVIEWED BY OUR OFFICE. AND PAT. AND THEN ULTIMATELY, YOU KNOW, GARY HAS TO REVIEW IT AS WELL. SO IT'S IT'S A LOT OF DAY TO DAY ACTIVITIES. YEP. THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WAS GETTING AT. YEAH. SO I CAN, I CAN RUN THOSE NUMBERS. THANKS. THANKS, MAYOR. YEAH. AND FURTHER QUESTIONS. COMMENTS. 
          BLANKENSHIP. THANKS. SO I'M IN THE THREE MONTHS I'VE BEEN ON. I CERTAINLY APPRECIATE THE, THE WORK THAT YOU DO AND YOUR FIRM DOES TO SUPPORT THE CITY. AS, AS THE MAYOR SAID, I DON'T KNOW, ADDING THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL CLAUSE TO ME IS KIND OF A NONEVENT BECAUSE YOU HAVE A TERMINATION CLAUSE ANYWAY. SO IF YOU WANT TO ADD IT, FINE. I DON'T THINK IT'S THAT NECESSARY. 
          BUT WHAT? THAT'S FINE. THE QUESTION I HAD IS ON THE PARALEGAL RATE. SO ALL THE OTHER RATES WERE, YOU KNOW, LESS THAN A 10% INCREASE. BUT THE PARALEGAL RATE WAS JUMPING 33%. AND I JUST WASN'T SURE HOW THAT WAS DETERMINED. AND THE PARALEGAL RATE PER HOUR GOING FROM 75 TO 100, WHEN THE OTHERS WERE LIKE 10%, LESS THAN 10%, I THINK. YEAH, THEY WERE. YOUR MATH IS RIGHT, I THINK. SO THE PARALEGAL, I'M MORE OPEN TO MAYBE SEPARATING PARALEGAL AND LEGAL ASSISTANT, IF THAT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER. I THINK I JUST CAME IN SO LOW THAT I'M TRYING TO CATCH UP BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT THERE'S INFLATION AND THAT THESE EMPLOYEES HAVE SALARIES AS WELL. AND PARALEGALS ARE SOMEONE THAT I MEAN, THEY DO A LOT OF WORK FOR THE CITY, AND THEY DO A LOT OF WORK FOR US AT THE OFFICE. AND I WAS JUST TRYING TO CATCH THEM UP BASED ON THE FACT THAT MY INITIAL PROPOSAL, WHEN YOU WHEN YOU FACTOR IN SALARIES AND EVERYTHING, AND JUST HIRING EMPLOYEES IN GENERAL WAS JUST A LITTLE LOW, IF I'M BEING HONEST WITH YOU. WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE THEN BETWEEN A PARALEGAL AND A LEGAL ASSISTANT? WELL, GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE HAVE EMPLOYEES IN OUR OFFICE THAT KIND OF CAN WEAR BOTH HATS. BUT A PARALEGAL IS REALLY SOMEONE WHO UNDERSTANDS HOW TO RESEARCH, CAN PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN UTILIZE MEMO WISE DOESN'T HAVE THEIR JD IS NOT AN ATTORNEY, BUT IS IS SOMEONE THAT'S MORE THAN JUST LIKE ANSWERING THE PHONES LIKE A RECEPTIONIST, RIGHT? THEY'RE ACTUALLY HELPING YOU PREPARE FOR THINGS, DOING SOME LEGAL WORK WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO, THEY'RE NOT AN ATTORNEY. SO IT HAS TO BE SIGNED OFF BY ONE OF THE ATTORNEYS IN OUR FIRM. A PARALEGAL DOES OUR RESEARCH IN THE LEGAL ASSISTANT IS LESS INTENSIVE WORK. IT DEPENDS. I MEAN, OUR OFFICE, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT LIKE A 30 PERSON FIRM. I MEAN, WE HAVE FOUR ATTORNEYS. AND THEN TEN OFFICE STAFF. AND I WOULD SAY NOT EVERYONE IS DEVOTED TO THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT ASPECT OF IT. BUT I WOULD SAY THE PEOPLE THAT ARE THE REASON I HAD THAT IS BECAUSE ALTHOUGH THEIR TITLE IN MY OFFICE MAY BE LEGAL ASSISTANT, IF THEY'RE DOING THE PEOPLE THAT WORK IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT ARE ARE ESSENTIALLY IN BOTH ROLES, IF 
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THAT MAKES SENSE. THAT'S WHY IT'S ONE RATE. AND THAT'S JUST HOW IT WAS IDENTIFIED IN OUR INITIAL CONTRACT. OKAY. IF I MAY, I THINK IT'S SIGNIFICANT. YEAH. I THINK IT'S SIGNIFICANT THAT THE LAST CONTRACT IS STILL $25 CHEAPER THAN THE LAST CONTRACT, WHICH WAS 125 FOR THE PARALEGALS. AND THIS IS 100. YEAH. I THINK HE HAD A VERY SENIOR PARALEGAL. HE WAS ALMOST A JD PERSON. SO I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST I WAS JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY THE PERCENTAGE DIFFERENCE. I THINK IT HAS TO DO WITH THE MARKET, WHAT THE MARKET WILL BEAR. AND. 
          BUT IN MATTHEW, YOU CAN FIX ME IF I'M WRONG ON THAT. BUT. COMP SETS OF WHAT THE MARKET WILL BEAR FOR PARALEGAL 200 BUCKS, PROBABLY SOMEWHERE RIGHT AROUND THE LOW END, I WOULD GUESS. AND YEAH, AND THE SECOND PIECE OF THAT, WELL, THAT WAS MRS. RANDOLPH. THE SECOND PIECE TO THAT IS. THE HOW YOU BREAK IT DOWN. AND I GUESS YOU'LL DO THAT IN YOUR ANNUAL REPORT SO THAT WE KNOW AND THIS TIES INTO RALPH BROOKS. SORRY. SO WE KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT IS GOING TO PARALEGAL SERVICES. SO THE WAY YOU CAN TELL THAT SOMEONE THAT'S NOT ME IS WORKING A CITY CASE. CITY CASE RIGHT NOW IS WHEN I SEND YOU MY MONTHLY INVOICES. THE BLENDED HOURLY RATE IS NOWHERE NEAR THE 230 THAT MY RATE CURRENTLY IS. IT'S RIGHT AROUND 190. SO THAT IN ITSELF, WHEN YOU TAKE THE AMOUNT OF HOURS AND BLEND IT BY THE TOTAL FEES, IT'S A MATHEMATICAL EQUATION. YOU CAN TELL THAT THERE ARE ASSOCIATES, PARALEGALS, AND LEGAL ASSISTANTS THAT ARE DOING WORK THAT'S PREVENTING ME FROM HAVING TO CHARGE, FROM HAVING TO DO IT, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY BLENDING THAT HOURLY RATE. BUT THERE'S NO WAY. I MEAN, I GUESS I COULD TRY TO RUN THE NUMBERS EXACTLY ON. WHAT EMPLOYEES DOING, WHAT THE PROBLEM IS. I DON'T HAVE SPECIFIC EMPLOYEES DEDICATED TO JUST CITY STAFF BECAUSE WE HAVE OTHER CLIENTS. 
          SO IT WOULD BE VERY DIFFICULT TO SEPARATE THEIR CITY WORK FROM SOME OF THE OTHER SUBJECT MATTERS WE DO. HOW ABOUT RALPH BROOKS? RALPH BROOKS, BASED ON MY LAST EMAIL, I THINK TOTALED TO YEAR, HE'S DONE 2.7% OF THE OF OF THE WORK OF THE CITY. SO IT'S, IT'S NOT VERY MUCH. BUT HE WAS HE INITIATED SOME OF THOSE LITIGATIONS. SO HE WAS INVOLVED IN, IN, IN ENDING THEM BECAUSE HE HAD STARTED IT. SO THAT WAS REALLY HE HE DOES, I WOULD SAY THE RISK PROTECTIVE ORDER HEARING SOMETIMES FROM THE POLICE JUST IN CASE, BECAUSE THOSE THINGS HAPPEN WITHIN, I MEAN, YOU GET A RISK PROTECTIVE IF YOU TAKE SOMEONE'S GUN, YOU HAVE TWO DAYS TO HAVE A HEARING AND THE COURT JUST SETS IT. SO IT'S REALLY JUST COVERAGE. HE DOESN'T REALLY HANDLE ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS, BUT HE WAS ALSO NAMED ON SOME OF THOSE ON SOME OF THOSE CASES. SORRY. NO PROBLEM. AND THEN THE LAST THING ON THAT RESOLUTION, YOU HAVE THE. IF IT'S GOING TO BE AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL, I DON'T THINK THAT YOU NEED TO PUT THE CITY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INITIATIVE FOR 2025. THAT DOESN'T REALLY NEED TO BE IN THERE. I MEAN, SINCE IT'S WRAPPING UP, I KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME FEES FOR THAT, BUT DO WE REALLY WANT TO HAVE THAT IN A RENEWAL CONTRACT EVERY YEAR? BECAUSE THAT TASK WILL BE COMPLETE. SO THAT WAS PART OF THE FIRST AMENDMENT, I GUESS. THAT WAS JUST NUMBER TWO ON ON 2026 RESOLUTION. YEAH. THOSE THAT I WAS JUST IDENTIFYING WHAT THE FIRST AMENDMENT INCLUDED. OKAY, I'M NOT ADDING IT TO THE SECOND. I WAS JUST IDENTIFYING WHAT THE FIRST AMENDMENT DID. OKAY. YES. I'LL JUST SAY THAT. WELL, FIRST OF ALL, MATTHEW, I THINK YOU'VE DONE A GREAT JOB. I'M GLAD THAT WE CHOSE YOU WHEN WE DID. I'M OKAY WITH THE WITH THE RATE INCREASES AND, AND AS FAR AS THE, THE PARALEGAL RATE BEING A LITTLE BIT MORE OF AN INCREASE, I, I ACCEPT YOUR RATIONALE THAT WE STARTED LOW AND ALL THAT MEANS WE HAD A REALLY GOOD RATE FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS. SO NOW NOW WE'VE GOT A GOOD RATE. WE HAD A REALLY GOOD RATE FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS. SO I'M OKAY WITH THAT, WITH THAT EXPLANATION. AND, AND I'M ALSO OKAY WITH THE PUTTING THE AUTOMATIC RENEWAL LANGUAGE IN THERE. I THINK IT'S, IT WAS SOMEWHAT REDUNDANT, AS YOU SAID, WE DO AN ANNUAL REVIEW ANYWAY. AND IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE GOT A TERMINATION CLAUSE. SO IT'S NOT LIKE IF YOU HAVE IT, YOU AUTOMATICALLY RENEW AND FIVE DAYS LATER YOU DO SOMETHING THAT CAUSES US TO WANT TO FIRE YOU. IT'S NOT LIKE 
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WE CAN'T PROCEED WITH FIRING YOU. SO AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S FINE TO PUT THAT LANGUAGE IN THERE. I DON'T I DON'T SEE WHY THAT THAT THAT SHOULD BE AN ISSUE. I DON'T THINK I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE BASED ON WHAT THE COMMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE. SO AGAIN, I'M OKAY WITH, WITH THIS, WITH THESE CHANGES. AND AND AGAIN, I THINK YOU'RE DOING A STAND UP JOB. OH, AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO EMPHASIZE, COULDN'T BE HAPPIER THAT YOU'VE GOT THOSE 14 REVOLVING CASES HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM OUR DOCKETS IN OUR IN OUR PSYCHE. SO THAT'S THAT'S GREATLY APPRECIATED. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND WITH THAT, NO FURTHER COMMENTS. I DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. I HAVE A MOTION SECOND. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO WOULD I BE APPROVING A SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY ATTORNEY, LEGAL SERVICES AGREEMENT THAT YOU WOULD. OKAY, THEN. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE SECOND AMENDMENT TO THE CITY ATTORNEY LEGAL SERVICES AGREEMENT. THERE'S NO I DON'T NEED ANY EXPLANATIONS. AND WE NO LONGER NEED THAT IT BE AUTOMATICALLY RENEWED. WELL, THE SECOND AMENDMENT INCLUDES THOSE TWO THINGS. DON'T NEED TO STATE THAT. RIGHT. OKAY. AS PRESENTED. I'LL SECOND THAT. OKAY. I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. YES. VICE MAYOR. BLANKENSHIP. 
          YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. CROW. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. COUNCILMEMBER. SCHULTZ. YES. 
          [14.C) Discussion Related to Revising the City of Naples Comprehensive Plan Amendment Project Schedule (Supplement 2/Added Item).]
MAYOR HARTMAN. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO THE CITY. AND THAT TAKES US TO ITEM 15, A 14 NO. 14 YES. 14CI ALREADY CROSSED IT OFF. 14 C THANK YOU, MAYOR. THIS IS THE DISCUSSION ITEM THAT DURING THE WORKSHOP, CITY COUNCIL ASKED FOR US TO PUT ON THE AGENDA. 
          AND THIS IS RELATED TO RECOMMENDATIONS FROM P A, B TO CITY COUNCIL RELATED TO THE COMP PLAN. AND I'LL TURN IT OVER TO ERICA MARTIN. GOOD AFTERNOON. ERIC MARTIN, PLANNING DIRECTOR. THIS ITEM, THE REVIEW OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN ORDINANCE. SO ADOPTING ORDINANCE WAS REVIEWED BY THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD ON MAY 13TH. AND AFTER A ROBUST DISCUSSION BY THE PAB AND PUBLIC COMMENT, THE PAB ACTUALLY VOTED. THEY MADE TWO MOTIONS. ONE WAS THEY VOTED TO DENY RECOMMEND TO RECOMMEND TO CITY COUNCIL DENIAL OF THE PLAN. 
          THAT WAS A 7 TO 0 VOTE. AND THEN THEY MADE A SECOND MOTION, WHICH WAS ESSENTIALLY THE EXPLANATION OF THEIR FIRST MOTION, WHICH WAS REQUESTING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL THIS BECAUSE THAT RECOMMENDATION WOULD COME TO YOU ON JUNE 3RD. SO THE REQUEST WAS THAT CITY COUNCIL ESSENTIALLY REMAND THE ITEM BACK TO THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD ON AT THEIR NOVEMBER MEETING. SO THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR ADDITIONAL PUBLIC COMMENT, AND IT WOULD ALLOW FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT AND INPUT ON THE PLAN. SO THERE WERE, I THINK THE CONSENSUS OF THE BOARD WAS THERE WAS SOME MENTION OF SOME DISAPPOINTMENT IN THE OVERALL PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS, BUT I THINK THE CONSENSUS IN THE END BY THE BOARD WAS THAT NOW THAT WE HAVE A DRAFT OF THE PLAN, NOW THAT THE DRAFT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED, THE PUBLIC. 
          THEY WOULD LIKE TO OFFER THE PUBLIC A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO REVIEW THE DRAFT, NOT TO PROVIDE JUST GENERAL INPUT, BUT TO REVIEW THE DRAFT OF THE PLAN AND PROVIDE THOSE COMMENTS. SO YOU'LL SEE I DID ASK VERY QUICKLY. SO, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE ABLE TO TURN THIS AROUND WITHIN A NUMBER OF HOURS, BUT THE CONSULTANT TEAM DID PREPARE FOR YOU WHAT THAT SCHEDULE WOULD LOOK LIKE, THAT REVISED SCHEDULE. SO I INCLUDED IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET BOTH THE APPROVED PROJECT SCHEDULE. THE APPROVED PROJECT SCHEDULE HAS THIS COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE WRAPPING UP AT THE END OF DECEMBER OF THIS YEAR. SO THAT IS WHAT WAS APPROVED IN THE RFP. 
          THAT IS THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE WITH JOHNSON ENGINEERING, WHICH ALLOWED FOR PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD REVIEW OF THE ORDINANCE IN MAY OF 2026. COUNCIL REVIEW AND ON FIRST READING ON JUNE 3RD, THEN TRANSMITTAL TO THE STATE. THE STATUTE REQUIRES THAT AFTER FIRST READING OF A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, WE ARE REQUIRED TO TRANSMIT THE COPY OF THE ORDINANCE TO THE DIFFERENT REVIEWING AGENCIES. I DID LIST IN THE YOUR AGENDA MEMORANDUM THE AGENCIES THAT WE ARE REQUIRED TO TRANSMIT THIS TO. THEY INCLUDE THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE, SOUTHWEST FLORIDA REGIONAL PLANNING COUNCIL, SOUTH FLORIDA 
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WATER MANAGEMENT DISTRICT, DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, DEPARTMENT OF STATE, WHICH IS. HISTORIC. PRESERVATION OFFICER, DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, AND COLLIER COUNTY. SO WE SEND. WITHIN TEN DAYS OF COUNCIL'S APPROVAL OF FIRST READING, WE SEND A COPY OF THE PLAN, THE ORDINANCE, TO ALL OF THOSE AGENCIES. THEY THEN HAVE 30 DAYS. THIS IS THE EXPEDITED STATE REVIEW PROCESS. THEY HAVE 30 DAYS TO PROVIDE THEIR. 30 DAYS AFTER THE DATE OF RECEIPT. SO NOT 30 DAYS FROM THE DAY THAT WE SEND IT, BUT 30 DAYS FROM THE DATE THAT THEY ACKNOWLEDGE RECEIPT. THEY HAVE 30 DAYS TO PROVIDE TO US THEIR COMMENTS ON THE PLAN AND THEN THE SCHEDULE THAT YOU HAVE ALLOWED FOR TIME FOR THE CONSULTANT TO REVIEW THE COMMENTS THAT ARE RECEIVED, IF ANY, AND INCORPORATE THOSE INTO A FURTHER AMENDMENT TO THE PLAN. AND THEN IT WOULD ALLOW FOR SECOND READING IN THE FALL, AND THEN A SECOND TRANSMITTAL ONCE COUNCIL APPROVES THE SECOND READING OF THE PLAN, WE AGAIN TRANSMIT THE FINAL TO THE STATE, AND THEN THE AGENCIES ARE ALLOWED TO, YOU KNOW, PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GIVE THEIR COMMENTS BACK AGAIN. SO THAT'S THE ORIGINAL SCHEDULE THAT WAS APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL AND WAS INCLUDED IN YOUR CONTRACT WITH JOHNSON ENGINEERING. THEY DID PROVIDE WHAT THAT SCHEDULE WOULD LOOK LIKE IF THIS WAS MOVED, IF THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD HEARING OF THE ORDINANCE WAS MOVED TO NOVEMBER, YOU WILL SEE A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT DATES, MEETINGS ADDED. THE WAY THAT I DISCUSSED THIS WITH THE CONSULTANT, THAT THIS WOULD WORK AND THIS IS BASED ON THE DISCUSSION OF THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, IS WE WOULD ACCEPT COMMENTS FROM, YOU KNOW, GET THE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC. THOSE COMMENTS WOULD THEN BE PROVIDED TO THE PAB FOR THEIR REVIEW AT THEIR NOVEMBER MEETING. THEN, BASED ON THEIR RECOMMENDATION, WE WOULD PACKAGE THOSE COMMENTS INTO A NARRATIVE FOR CITY COUNCIL. WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS TO TAKE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS AND MAKE THE IMMEDIATELY MAKE THE REVISIONS TO THE PLAN WITHOUT COUNCIL'S INPUT. THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD IS THE LAND PLANNING AGENCY, BUT THEY ARE ALSO AN ADVISORY BOARD. CITY COUNCIL IS. IN THE END, THE. THE BODY THAT APPROVES THE PLAN. SO WE WOULD PACKAGE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS BASED ON THE INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC TO CITY COUNCIL IN A WORKSHOP, NOT FOR AN ORDINANCE REVIEW, BUT IN A WORKSHOP FOR COUNCIL TO DIRECT STAFF AND THE CONSULTANT TO MAKE THE CHANGES TO THE PLAN. AND THEN IT WOULD GO BACK TO PAB IN ORDER FOR THE ORDINANCE READING, AND THEN COME BACK TO CITY COUNCIL FOR A FIRST READING. THAT WOULD HAVE THE PLAN, CULMINATING IN MAY OF 2027. ERICA, MAY I ASK YOU A QUESTION? YES, I JUST WANT YOU TO ELABORATE ON THAT AGAIN. SO THE PROPOSAL THAT THEY HAD WAS FOR TWO MORE PUBLIC MEETINGS, NOT TARGETED PRIVATE MEETINGS. IS THAT CORRECT? THIS IS ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS, CORRECT. THERE ARE NO THERE'S NO PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT OUTREACH INVOLVED IN THIS. THIS IS THE ADDITION OF PUBLIC HEARINGS. OKAY. AND NO, THERE'S NOTHING ELSE BEING GUIDED BY A DIFFERENT MEETING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. NOPE. THIS IS BASED ON THE THE MOTION THAT WAS MADE BY THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD WAS TO DEFER YESTERDAY'S HEARING TO NOVEMBER. OKAY. AND THE PUBLIC MEETINGS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ARE THE ACTUAL MEETINGS. YES. SO IT'S IT'S AN ADDITIONAL PAB MEETING IN NOVEMBER, FOLLOWED BY AN ADDITIONAL CITY COUNCIL MEETING. AND THEN AFTER CITY COUNCIL'S DIRECTION PACKAGING THE THE CONSULTANT WILL MAKE THE AMENDMENTS TO THE PLAN. THEN IT WILL GO. BUT TO GARNER THESE FEEDBACKS IS ADDED ANOTHER PUBLIC MEETING. NO, THAT'S. IT IS NOW THE PUBLIC. THERE IS AN ADDITIONAL, HOWEVER, MANY MONTHS FOR THE PUBLIC JUST TO ABSORB. REVIEW THEM, SEND IN WHATEVER THEY WANT, BUT NOT TO HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTARY THAT WE GOT WAS THAT THERE'S HASN'T BEEN ENOUGH TIME TO, TO REVIEW THE PLAN AND OFFER SUBSTANTIVE FEEDBACK. SO THIS GIVES AN OPPORTUNITY BETWEEN NOW AND NOVEMBER FOR THE PUBLIC TO REVIEW THE DRAFT, THOROUGHLY, REVIEW THE DRAFT, AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK. OKAY, EVERYBODY, I WAS A LITTLE FUZZY. YEP. SO. A COUPLE OF THINGS. WE HAVE ADVERTISED FOR THE FIRST HEARING OF THE ORDINANCE FOR THE COMP PLAN. THAT NEEDS TO BE FOLLOWED THROUGH. I AM, FIRST OF ALL, STATE. LET ME BACK UP. I ACTUALLY AGREE. I REMEMBER SITTING IN THE BACK. I HAD AN UPSET STOMACH. I VICE MAYOR WAS LEADING THE INTERVIEWS FOR DRB, AND I WAS SITTING IN THE BACK 
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TALKING TO YOU ABOUT HOW I HAD CONCERNS ABOUT THE PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED. IT. IT WASN'T TOUGH ENOUGH. IT WAS SHOULDS AND SHOWS. WAS THERE TEETH? AND THIS IS REALLY THE THE DOCUMENT THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY INTERPRETATIONS IN IT. THIS IS THE DOCUMENT THAT SHOULD HAVE THE COMMUNITY VALUES. IT SHOULD BE FOR LONG TERM EXPRESSION FOR THIS COMMUNITY AND WHERE IT'S GOING, AND GROWTH AND REDEVELOPMENT AND INFRASTRUCTURE. SO I HAD MY CONCERNS. I SAID, I WANT TO MEET WITH YOU AND MR. YOUNG. IF IF THE COUNCIL DOESN'T TALK ABOUT IT. WELL, MR. MCCONNELL REMINDED ME YESTERDAY THAT I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO WAS ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COMP PLAN WHEN IT WAS PRESENTED TO US. SO I'M THRILLED THAT WE ARE GOING TO REVIEW IT AGAIN. I THINK IT SHOULD BE REVIEWED AGAIN BASED ON DETAILS AND WHETHER IT HAS ENOUGH STRENGTH IN THE VERBIAGE AND PROTECTION MECHANISMS FOR WHAT THIS COMMUNITY WANTS. THE OTHER PIECE IS WE DID NOT GO OVER THE AIRPORT AREAS OF CONCERN. WE JUST SKIPPED RIGHT OVER IT. THERE WAS RECOMMENDATION BY OUR ATTORNEYS THAT WERE NOT INSERTED. SO IT'S REALLY AN INCOMPLETE DOCUMENT EVEN TO GO TO FIRST READING, BUT IT'S GOING TO FIRST READING. 
          CORRECT? MR. MCCONNELL, BECAUSE WE'VE NOTICED IT. OR HOW WAS THAT? YES. SO IT WILL BE PART OF YOUR JUNE 3RD AGENDA. I WILL HAVE TO READ THE TITLE, AND WE WILL HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION ON WHAT TO DO. SO TECHNICALLY, IT WOULD BE IDEAL RIGHT NOW IF WE JUST GAVE DIRECTION ON WHAT YOU WANT TO DO, AND THEN ACTION WOULD BE TAKEN DURING THAT READING OF THE FIRST ORDINANCE. 
          YEAH, I AGREE, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO WASTE TIME AND NOT BEING ABLE TO GO OVER THE RED LINES. NOW. MR. YOUNG, I'M NOT GOING TO DOUBT HIM AGAIN BECAUSE HE WAS RIGHT TODAY ABOUT THIS MAY TAKE MORE THAN ONE TIME THAT WE GO THROUGH THE RED LINES. SO I SAID, OH NO, IT WON'T BE THAT LONG, BUT I'M GOING TO GO WITH WHAT HE SAID THAT IT'S GOING TO TAKE MORE THAN ONE SESSION WITH COUNCIL. BUT IF THE COMMUNITY DOES WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AND THAT'S HAVE TIME TO REVIEW IT, AND THIS COUNCIL HAS TIME TO REVIEW THE RED LINE, I THINK WE'RE ONE STEP CLOSER AND THAT READING WILL HAVE TO HAPPEN. AND WE CAN MAKE WE HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION THEN. CORRECT. SO WHEN YOU SAY DECISION, I JUST WANT TO YOU HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION THEN. BUT IF THE DECISION IS TO EXTEND THE TIMELINE, THAT'S OKAY. BUT ESSENTIALLY WHEN I READ THE ORDINANCE, THE AGM IS GOING TO BE DO WE APPROVE THIS AND TRANSMIT IT TO THE STATE, WHICH I'M HEARING YOU SAY WE'RE NOT READY FOR? OKAY. SO THERE'S NOT AN ALTERNATIVE LIKE REFRESH MY MEMORY. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE REVIEWED AT THE FIRST ORDINANCE READING. I MEAN, AND THEN BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOU AND THIS LAND PLANNING IS DIFFERENT. CORRECT. YOU CAN YOU GET A FIRST READING ON AN ORDINANCE. YOU DON'T WANT TO APPROVE IT. YOU CAN HAVE TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE HEARINGS OF A OF AN ORDINANCE. CORRECT. THAT'S DIFFERENT FOR. FOR COMP PLAN. IT'S ONE OF THE ONLY ORDINANCE OR LARGE SCALE LAND USE CHANGES. THE ONLY ORDINANCE THAT REQUIRES TWO ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARINGS. SO IF YOU WANTED TO, FOR EXAMPLE, READ THE TITLE ON JUNE 3RD AND CONTINUE IT TO A DATE CERTAIN, I WOULD TELL YOU JUST RE-ADVERTISE IT AGAIN. WELL, WHEN DO WE AS A COUNCIL GET TO GO OVER IT BEFORE WE SEND IT? I MEAN, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE TIMELINE, WHY THEY PICKED NOVEMBER. I'D LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE PUBLIC ON WHY NOVEMBER. BUT YOU JUST SAID TWO READINGS. I THOUGHT THERE WAS ONLY ONE READING NEEDED. SO BIG PICTURE, LET'S SAY JUNE 3RD. YOU WOULD HAVE PASSED IT HYPOTHETICALLY. 
          YOU PASS IT. YOU STATED YOU SENT IT TO ALL THE STATE AGENCIES. THEY HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE YOU COMMENTS. YOU EITHER ADDRESS THOSE COMMENTS OR NOT, AND THEN YOU HAVE AN ADOPTION HEARING OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS THE SECOND READING. SO WE COULD ADD AN AGENDA ITEM THAT JUST SAYS WE'RE JUST GOING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT. AND BEING THAT IT'S ALREADY BEEN NOTICED, IF WE WANT TO DO THAT, WELL, YOU'RE ALREADY GOING TO HAVE AN AGENDA ITEM FOR FIRST READING OF THE ORDINANCE BECAUSE IT'S BEEN ADVERTISED. 
          BUT YOU JUST TOLD ME IF WE CAN'T DISCUSS IT, YOU COULD YOU WOULD DISCUSS IT. YEAH, YEAH, YOU COULD, YOU COULD DISCUSS, YOU COULD GO LINE BY LINE IF YOU WANT. YOU COULD GO LINE BY LINE AND THEN NOT APPROVE OR DENY THE ORDINANCE. YOU COULD AT THAT POINT CHOOSE TO DEFER 
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IT AFTER REVIEWING IT IN DEPTH. OKAY. AND THEN THE SECOND PIECE FOR ME IS WE WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE AIRPORT. WE DIDN'T, WE HAD A HANDOUT. WE DIDN'T EVEN DISCUSS IT. SO KRAMER, QUICK QUESTION BECAUSE THIS CAME UP, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT Y'ALL. I GOT BACK FROM THE TDC MEETING YESTERDAY AND WATCHED THAT PAB MEETING FOR THE DAY BEFORE. AND, AND I AM LET ME JUST TELL YOU. 
          BUT FIRST LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION. DIDN'T WE EXTEND DIDN'T WE ADD A COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT PIECE? WE DID. SO WE ORIGINALLY SAYING WE DIDN'T DO THAT IN THE MEETING. SO WE ORIGINALLY HAD IT SCHEDULED IN NOVEMBER. WE HAD TWO SEPARATE PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MEETINGS IN NOVEMBER, AND IT WAS ORIGINALLY THE CONCERN OF THE PAB THAT NOVEMBER IS NOT A GOOD TIME TO DO THAT. THAT PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT MUST BE DONE IN JANUARY AND FEBRUARY. WE DECIDED AT THE TIME TO KEEP THE THE NOVEMBER WE, YOU KNOW, SEND IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC. WE GOT A, YOU KNOW, PRETTY GOOD TURNOUT, HONESTLY, BY ALL ACCOUNTS IN NOVEMBER. BUT WE DID DECIDE TO TO SCHEDULE A SECOND ROUND OF PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT READINGS IN FEBRUARY. THE CITY THEN DID THE LARGEST PUSH THAT THE CITY HAS EVER DONE TO, YOU KNOW, ENGAGE THE PUBLIC. IT WAS WE SENT POSTCARDS TO EVERY ADDRESS WITHIN THE CITY. WE SENT IT VIA SOCIAL MEDIA. WE SEND IT VIA OUR CONSTANT CONTACT. WE SENT OUT, AS IN ANY WAY WE POSSIBLY COULD TO GET, YOU KNOW, ENGAGEMENT IN THAT PROCESS. AND IN FEBRUARY, WE HAD TWO MEETINGS IN FEBRUARY, AND AT THAT MEETING, WE HAD ACTUALLY LESS TURNOUT THAN WE HAD IN THE NOVEMBER MEETING. SO WE. GOOD POINT. SO I'M EMBARRASSED TO SAY THAT AFTER MONDAY'S MEETING, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AND I WAS IGNORANT, I HADN'T SEEN THE PAB, I WAS FIRED UP AND I WENT HOME AND I PRINTED THE A CHARTER LIKE, HERE'S WHAT YOUR JOB IS. AND I WAS GOING TO RAIL ON SOMEBODY. AND THEN I WATCHED THE MEETING AND I REALIZED, BECAUSE THE REASON I SAY THAT IS IN THE PAST, WE WOULD HAVE SOME PAB MEMBERS WHO WOULD BE JUST BELLIGERENT TO STAFF AND JUST, I MEAN, WASN'T GOOD. AND I ASSUMED THAT WAS WHAT WAS HAPPENING. THAT IS NOT WHAT'S HAPPENING. THIS PAB WAS AS GRACIOUS, AS THOUGHTFUL, DELIBERATIVE, REALLY INTELLIGENT CONVERSATION. AND SO COACH KRAMER WAS REALLY WRONG ON, YOU KNOW, JUMPING THE GUN. SO HAVING SAID ALL THAT, I'M. AND I THINK THE REASON THEY PICKED NOVEMBER IS JUST BECAUSE THEY FEEL A SENSE OF URGENCY BECAUSE OF THE TIME CLOCK THAT WE HAD SET, WHICH IS KIND OF AN ARTIFICIAL ONE THAT WE IMPOSE ON OURSELVES. AND THEN WE SIGNED A CONTRACT, AND THEN IT BECAME A REAL. DEADLINE. 
          ONCE YOU HIRE A CONSULTANTS, I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE ANY. IF WE SAID, HEY, WE'RE GOING TO DO IT IN JANUARY, I THINK THEY'D BE FINE WITH THAT AS WELL. WHAT I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IS A CHANCE TO REALLY DIGEST THIS DOCUMENT AND REALLY GET INPUT FROM FOLKS WHO, NOW THAT THEY'VE SEEN IT, WHICH I THINK MOST OF US I KNOW, I THOUGHT THIS IS WHERE WE SHOULD BE AT THIS STAGE WHERE NOW THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE THING AND IT'S AND IT'S REDLINED, YOU CAN NOW YOU CAN WEIGH IN. SO I SAY ALL THAT TO SAY, I'M ALL FOR DELAYING IT. I KNOW WE HAVE TO READ IT, BUT WE CAN READ IT AND THEN PUNT. AND I THINK THAT ALL OF US ARE GOING TO HAVE A LOT MORE TO, TO THINK ABOUT AND TO BE MORE INFORMED, A BETTER, A MORE INFORMED DECISION IF WE CAN TAKE TIME TO ACTUALLY DIGEST THIS. YEAH, THANK YOU FOR THAT. I WILL SAY, I DO THINK STAFF AND WENT FAR BEYOND ANY ADVERTISING AND PUBLIC INPUT THAT THEY'VE HAD. THAT'S THE ONE THING THAT I HAD HOPED THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE COMMENTS THAT YOU HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, BUT YOU HAD AN OPINION THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SHARED ON, WHAT WAS IT THAT YOU. THOUGHT WAS MISSING FROM IT? BECAUSE THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT TRIGGERED THOSE PAB MEMBERS, BUT THEY GAVE US NO DIRECTION, NO CONCERN, NO SPECIFICS TO THOSE CONCERNS. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO COME BACK TO US. I'M REALLY WHAT THEY SAW THAT FLEW A RED FLAG UP THAT WE NEED TO BE PAYING ATTENTION TO. THEY HAVEN'T. THEY HAD SOME RATHER SPECIFIC IDEAS DURING THE MEETING. THEY KIND OF TALKED ABOUT, WELL, I SAW THIS AND I DIDN'T LIKE THIS BECAUSE OF PROPERTY RIGHTS OR WHATEVER. LIKE THEY DID MENTION THINGS. 
          BUT THE FACT IS, I THINK THEY WANT THE TIME TO BE ABLE TO BE SPECIFIC, AND I WOULD THAT'S THE ONLY THING I WOULD ASK ANYBODY IS NO BROAD STROKES. BUT ONE OF THE THINGS I SAID I TOLD ERIC I APPRECIATED WAS THAT THERE'S SOME MH AND RONTO, I THINK, AND SOME OTHER DEVELOPERS HAVE. AND THAT ATTORNEY WHO SPOKE AT THE PAB, THEY HAD LIKE VERY SPECIFIC. 
          HERE'S EXACTLY WHERE IT IS AND HERE'S EXACTLY WHAT OUR QUESTION IS ABOUT IT. YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S TOO VAGUE OR WE WANT MORE SPECIFICITY OR JUST WHATEVER IT WAS, THAT'S ALL I ASK IT WHOEVER HAS WHATEVER ISSUES LIKE MAYOR, YOU JUST SAID THAT THEY WOULD BE VERY 
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SPECIFIC WITH THE ITEM THAT'S BOTHERING THEM AND WHAT THEY THINK THE REMEDY MIGHT BE. 
          THANKS. THAT'S ALL. I WON'T TALK ANYMORE. WHO IS NEXT? SCHULTZ, GIVEN I CAME FROM THAT SITUATION WITH THE PAB IN REGARDS TO THIS AND. PROBABLY SPOKE OUT OF LINE IN A FEW OCCASIONS FROM THE PODIUM, BUT IT INCENSED ME ENOUGH AT JUST THE INDIFFERENCE AT THIS LEVEL FOR THE WORK THAT IS DONE THERE. THAT'S HOW WE TOOK IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THERE WAS ANY BURDEN OR THOUGHT, BUT THAT GOT PEOPLE A LITTLE BIT ANNOYED WITH IT. IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. WE SPENT THE CITY HAVE SPENT ROUGHLY $10,000 IN SENDING OUT FLIERS AND BROCHURES AND STUFF TO GET OUT AND GET OUT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, TAKE PART. AND IF THAT'S THE WAY IT IS, I CAN SEE WHERE THE MINDSET IS. SINCE I SAT IN ON THE FIRST MEETING, JUST TO SEE WHAT I WAS GOING TO BE DEALING WITH. AND I THINK THERE'S SOME REALLY SOME REALLY SHARP PEOPLE THERE NOW. THEY HAVE A DEVELOPER ON THE BOARD, WHICH IS AMAZING. YOU HAVE SOMEBODY FROM PORT ROYAL WHO'S ON THE BOARD. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. VERY ACTIVE MIND. HE'S A VERY INTELLECTUALLY CURIOUS GUY. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE GOING TO BE SEEING A LOT OF GOOD PRODUCT OUT OF THOSE FOLKS. AND I THINK YOU JUST WANT TO HOLD ON WITH THEM. BUT I THINK THAT'S SOME OF THE HISTORY WITH IT. BUT WE SPENT TEN GRAND ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE. THANK YOU. MARTIN. YEAH. WHAT'S BEEN SAID IS I AGREE WITH IT. FRANKLY, I'M INCLINED TO ACQUIESCE WITH THE REQUEST FROM PAB TO EXTEND THIS. YOU KNOW, WE'VE THERE'S NOW A DOCUMENT THAT CAN BE ANALYZED AND REVIEWED, AND IT GIVES THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT FOR US, WHICH I, I EMBRACE WHOLEHEARTEDLY, I'D LIKE I WANT THEIR FEEDBACK. I'M NOT ENTIRELY SURE WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO FROM A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT STANDPOINT, BUT IF THEY TRULY BELIEVE THAT THAT WE NEED TO ENGAGE PUBLIC. AGAIN, I'D LIKE SOME SPECIFICS FROM THEM, FROM PAB AS TO EXACTLY HOW WE HOW THEY THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT. 
          BECAUSE AGAIN, I FEEL LIKE WE'VE CHECKED THOSE BOXES, BUT MAYBE, MAYBE I'M WRONG AND MAYBE THEY'VE GOT SOME GREAT IDEAS. PLEASE PROVIDE THOSE TO US SO THAT SO THAT WE CAN DIRECT STAFF TO, TO DO THAT IF IT IF IT IS IN FACT A GOOD IDEA. BUT ULTIMATELY THE THE POTENTIAL DECISION TO DELAY AND GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY, THEM BEING PAB AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT IT AGAIN AND LOOK AT IT IN MORE DEPTH AND DETAIL AND PROVIDE US BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE THERE FOR. THEY'RE THEY'RE AN ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR US. SO AGAIN, I AM WHOLEHEARTEDLY EMBRACE THEIR INPUT ON THAT. AND IT ALSO, I THINK WE'VE GOT A NEW DYNAMIC IN THE EQUATION, WHICH IS THE HOA COALITION. THEY ARE THEY ARE GETTING VERY INVOLVED, WHICH I EMBRACE THE HECK OUT OF THAT TOO. MORE INPUT FROM OUR HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS IS A GOOD THING. THEY ALSO WANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO DIVE INTO THIS THING AND REALLY ANALYZE THE HECK OUT OF IT. AND I EMBRACE, EMBRACE THAT AS WELL. AND I WOULD, I, WOULD I LOOK FORWARD TO THEIR ENGAGEMENT WITH US IN REFERENCE TO WHAT THEY THINK ARE, ARE, OR ARE NOT GOOD IDEAS. SO AGAIN, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY IN EVERYONE'S BEST INTEREST TO, AS COACH SAID, PUNT, WHEN WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUNT AT THE NEXT MEETING, I REALIZE WE GOT TO READ IT, BUT AT THAT POINT IN TIME, WE CAN ULTIMATELY MAKE THAT DECISION. IF WE THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA, WHICH, AGAIN, I THINK IT PROBABLY IS, AND I THINK IT SOUNDS LIKE MOST OF US ARE ON THE SAME PAGE HERE. VICE MAYOR. THANKS. I THINK I AGREE WITH MOST OF WHAT'S BEEN SAID. THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GOOD WORK DONE SO FAR. THERE HAS BEEN A LOT OF COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT ON THE FRONT END, BUT NOW WE HAVE WHAT THAT MEANS. IT'S BEEN PULLED TOGETHER INTO A FINAL DRAFT, SO WE CAN SEE ALL THE INPUT THAT'S PROVIDED AND PROVIDED AND WHAT'S BEEN ASSIMILATED, WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, AND NOW WE NEED TIME TO READ IT, STUDY IT AND THINK ABOUT IT BEFORE WE ACTUALLY ADOPT IT. AND CERTAINLY LOOK AT SECTIONS THAT WE FORGOT TO ADOPT. WE'VE HAD SOME COMMENTS ALREADY FROM PEOPLE IN THE LAST FEW DAYS ABOUT AREAS THEY THOUGHT NEEDED TO BE CLARIFIED. SO WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TO DO THAT. I APPRECIATE THE HOAS GETTING INVOLVED AND WANTING TO LOOK AT IT, BUT IT'S NOT JUST THEM. I'M GLAD THEY'RE GOING TO GET INVOLVED, BUT WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYBODY TO READ IT AND PROVIDE COMMENTS AND GET VERY SPECIFIC. DON'T JUST SAY I DON'T LIKE IT OR, YOU KNOW, TOO BROAD TO GIVE A SPECIFIC SO THAT STAFF AND THE PEB AND US CAN ADDRESS IT AND MAKE THE DOCUMENT BETTER. ON THE TIMING ELEMENT. MY QUESTION IS, IF WE COULD ACTUALLY MOVE A LITTLE BIT SOONER, IS IT REASONABLE TO 
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ASK PEOPLE TO PROVIDE THEIR COMMENTS BY THE END OF AUGUST? SO THAT'S OVER THREE MONTHS FROM NOW. IT'S BEEN. WHEN WAS THE FINAL DRAFT PUBLISHED? A MONTH AGO OR SO PUBLISHED IS THAT ONE WEEK BEFORE MAY 13TH? OKAY. I THOUGHT WE LOOKED AT IT. THAT WASN'T THE FINAL DRAFT. WE LOOKED AT THE LATEST AND GREATEST. THE LATEST AND GREATEST DRAFT WAS PUBLISHED FOR THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD MEETING. SO IT WAS PUBLISHED FOR THE MAY 13TH PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD MEETING. AND SINCE THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD, THERE WERE ONLY A COUPLE SMALL SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS. ESSENTIALLY, WHAT WAS PUBLISHED FOR THAT MEETING IS THE LATEST AND GREATEST. OKAY. SO THAT'S MY QUESTION IS, IS IT REASONABLE TO GIVE PEOPLE TO THE END OF AUGUST TO PROVIDE THEIR INPUT AND COMMENTS, ASK QUESTIONS OF STAFF IF NEED BE. 
          AND ASK THE PAB TO REVIEW THOSE IN SEPTEMBER AT THEIR SEPTEMBER MEETING. AND THEN WE LOOK AT IT AGAIN IN OCTOBER, AND THEN WE CAN DECIDE AT THAT POINT, DO WE NEED MORE TIME OR DO WE FEEL LIKE IT'S FAR ENOUGH ALONG? IT'S READY TO SUBMIT THE FIRST DRAFT TO THE STATE? I'M JUST SO I THINK YEAH, THE CONSULTANT LOOKING THE SCHEDULE THAT'S BEFORE YOU. THE REASON THIS WAS PUT TOGETHER THIS WAY WAS BECAUSE OF THAT INITIAL HAMMERING THAT THEY GOT, THAT NOTHING CAN HAPPEN IN THIS CITY BEFORE NOVEMBER. SO IT WAS WELL, YEAH, I UNDERSTAND THERE WAS A LOT OF CRITICISM WHEN THE FIRST SCHEDULE WAS PUBLISHED THAT ANYTHING WOULD TAKE PLACE IN CERTAIN MONTHS. I GUESS IF WE'RE TRYING TO ESTABLISH SOME BIG OPEN HOUSE OR OPEN MEETING AND WANT LOTS OF PEOPLE TO ATTEND. YEAH, WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR SEASON. YEAH. BUT IF WE'RE ASKING FOR INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE, INDIVIDUAL HOA'S READ IT THIS SUMMER, SEND US YOUR COMMENTS. 
          YEP. THAT'S THREE, THREE AND A HALF MONTHS NOW, SO IT WILL HAVE BEEN PUBLISHED. 
          UNREASONABLE. BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF HOW WE CAN MOVE THIS ALONG, BECAUSE I'M AWARE THAT BACK IN 2020, WHEN WE WERE ELECTED THE FIRST TIME, THIS WAS ON THE RADAR SCREEN, THEN THAT EVERYBODY FELT LIKE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN NEEDED TO BE UPDATED MORE THAN JUST THE MANDATORY UPDATES, BUT INCORPORATING THE VISION, RESILIENCY, ALL THESE ELEMENTS THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN WORKING ON. SO THIS IS LIKE OVER SIX YEARS AT LEAST, MAYBE NOT BEING WORKED ON FOR SIX YEARS, BUT IT'S BEEN THOUGHT ABOUT AND ON THE PLAN ON THE PRIORITY LIST FOR A LONG TIME. AND I JUST HATE TO SEE IT CONTINUALLY SLIPPING. SO IT WAS PUBLISHED ON MAY 6TH. YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD BE AVAILABLE BOTH ON THE PUBLIC MEETINGS PART OF THIS, THE WEBSITE, AND THEN ALSO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PAGE OF THE WEBSITE AS WELL. SO THAT DRAFT IS OUT THERE. IT'S BEEN AVAILABLE SINCE MAY 6TH FOR ANYONE TO DO A DEEP DIVE. AND SO THAT'S THE QUESTION I POSED FOR MY MY COLLEAGUES, FOR YOU GUYS, THE STAFF. AND MAYBE WE HAVE PUBLIC SPEAKERS WHO WANT TO PROVIDE INPUT, BUT IS IT REASONABLE TO TRY TO MOVE A LITTLE BIT QUICKER THAN WHAT THE PB WAS SUGGESTING? YEAH. SO CAN I GET TO PUBLIC COMMENT? GO AHEAD. I'M JUST GOING TO RESPOND TO YOU, VICE MAYOR. IT MAY BE REASONABLE. I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. I BECAUSE OF I'M JUST REALLY SYMPATHETIC TO THE PAB RIGHT NOW. AND IF THEY WANT TO DO IT IN NOVEMBER, IF THAT'S. IT SEEMS LIKE A SMALL ASK TO ME AND I DO WANT TO ASK TO CLARIFY. REMIND ME, IS IT 2034? THIS THING'S ACTUALLY DUE? 3232 2032 THAT'S THE STATE MANDATED, RIGHT? YOU KNOW, FOR CONSISTENCY. WELL, STATE STATUTE, EVEN IF WE SEND IT SOONER THAN THAT, WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING IN 2032, EVEN IF IT'S THE SAME THING, RIGHT? WE DO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING IN 2032. OKAY. EVEN IF WE SEND IT EARLY. OKAY. ANYWAY. YEAH. YES. RIGHT. 
          EAR VERSUS OKAY. SO ANYWAY, I, AND I COULD GO EITHER WAY ON IT. I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT. I THINK IT'S REASONABLE, BUT I'M JUST THINKING OF HOW CAN WE SHOW SOME LOVE? THAT'S ALL. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY OR NOT. IT'S NOT ABOUT SHOWING, SHOWING LOVE. IT'S ABOUT BEING RESPECTFUL OF WHERE THE COMMUNITY WANTS TO GO AND HOW THEY WANT TO PROTECT THE COMMUNITY. AND THAT THAT TO ME, I MEAN, THIS IS THE MOST IMPORTANT DOCUMENT THAT WE HAVE. 
          SO I GETTING IT RIGHT IS, IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FOR ME SO THAT THERE'S A BALANCE. SO AND YES, IT'S SHOWING LOVE. OKAY, I HAVE A COROLLA. AND THEN. I WANT TO GET THIS RIGHT BEFORE GIVE ME SOME MORE TIME. BUT I ALSO AGREE WITH TED THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, I'D LIKE TO SEE IT FASTER. YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT'S YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PLAN THAT HAS SOME SUBJECTIVITY, SOME GUIDING PRINCIPLE. I THINK SOME SOME OF THE THINGS I'M HEARING FROM PAB ALMOST WANT LIKE A INSTRUCTION MANUAL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THIS IS NOT AN 
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INSTRUCTION MANUAL. YOU KNOW, THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME SUBJECTIVITY INVOLVED HERE, BUT IT'S AN IMPORTANT DOCUMENT. AND OUR GUIDING PRINCIPLES HAVE TO BE CLEARLY STATED IN THERE. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHERE WE NEED TO MAKE THE TIME GO THROUGH THE FIRST READING. I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA. THE NEXT THE JUNE MEETING BEFORE WE RECESS TO GO THROUGH THE THE RED LINE ITEMS AND ALL THAT. I THINK THAT'S FANTASTIC, BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE ACCELERATED WHERE. YOU KNOW, BY THE TIME OUR NEXT OUR FIRST MEETING, IT SHOULD BE ON THE AGENDA WHEN WE COME BACK FROM RECESS. THAT'S MY MY FEELING ON IT. WELL, OR IT GOES TO PAB. I MEAN, IT GOES TO PAB THEN, THEN US, BECAUSE I DID ASK THE QUESTION. PAB DOESN'T HAVE ANOTHER MEETING TO BE ABLE TO GO OVER THIS UNTIL SEPTEMBER. THANK YOU. I SHOULD HAVE ASKED YOU. I ALSO THINK WE HAVE A GOOD IDEA. I MEAN, I'VE BEEN HEARING A LOT OF INPUT ON EMAILS AND, YOU KNOW, IN THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. SO AND, YOU KNOW, OUR EXPECTATIONS HERE, WE WERE CRITICIZING THE SUMMER MONTHS, BUT YET WE'RE ASKING TO EXTEND IT OVER THE SEVEN MONTHS. SO I MEAN, TO ME, IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE ANY SENSE TO EXTEND IT, YOU KNOW, THAT MUCH MORE. BUT I'M FOR EXTENDING IT JUST TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT AND GET MORE TIME WORKING ON IT FOR US. THANK YOU. PENMAN. CITY MANAGER. DO YOU STILL HAVE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL MEETINGS? YEAH, I WAS GOING TO ADDRESS WHEN YOU'RE ALL FINISHED, BECAUSE THERE WAS SOME ACCUSATIONS MADE ABOUT PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL THE OTHER DAY. THIS IS NOW ASKING YOUR THIRD PARTY OR YOUR APPOINTED BOARD, DIRECTING A SPECIFIC GROUP TO HAVE COMMUNICATION WITH. SO I, I PLAN ON ADDRESSING THAT IN A MOMENT, BUT PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL WAS NEVER ASKED TO MAKE ANY STATEMENT RELATED TO THE COMP PLAN OR ITS CONTENT. WE SIMPLY USE THAT AS AN INFORMATION ARM TO NOTIFY THEM THAT WE ARE HAVING PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT. PLEASE HELP US GET THE WORD OUT. 
          THE. SINCE MY TENURE AS CITY MANAGER, THE ONLY EXAMPLE I CAN REMEMBER WHERE WE. AND THAT WAS BASED ON YOUR DIRECTION TO SAY, CAN WE GET FEEDBACK AS TO EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT BEFORE WE BROUGHT IT FORWARD WAS IN RELATION TO THE BRINGING BACK THE FIREWORKS ON NEW YEAR'S. 
          AND THEN WE SETTLED ON THAT AND WE MADE A RECOMMENDATION. THEY MADE A RECOMMENDATION OUT OF THERE AND WE BROUGHT THAT FORWARD. OTHER THAN THAT, I USED THAT AS AN INFORMATION TOOL TO DISSEMINATE. WHEN WE HAVE BUDGET DISCUSSIONS, PROJECT UPDATES, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT AND THE LIKE. SO IF YOU DIRECT ME TO UTILIZE THEM IN THAT REGARD, I COULD DO THAT. 
          PAB HAS RECOMMENDED OTHERS, BUT I, I DON'T WANT TO INTERJECT MYSELF INTO THE CONVERSATION, BUT I DO HAVE ISSUES WITH TAKING THIS ITEM WHEN WE'VE HAD SEVERAL PUBLIC HEARINGS, INCLUDING A JOINT WORKSHOP. I'M ALL FOR GIVING MORE TIME FOR THERE TO BE ADDITIONAL MEETINGS OR IF IF WE WANT TO GO LINE BY LINE, MAYOR AND GO THROUGH IT, OR IF PAB DOES, WHERE I, I STEP BACK A LITTLE IS PA SAID PAB SAYING DIRECT COUNCIL TO DIRECT STAFF TO DO WHAT. RIGHT. AND SO FROM COUNCIL WOULD DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER TO DIRECT STAFF. THAT'S THE FIRST PART OF THAT THAT THAT THE SECOND PART OF THAT IS YOU HAVE AN ELECTED REPRESENTATIVE BODY, AN APPOINTED REPRESENTATIVE BODY. YOU HAVE STAFF RIGHT HERE. IF I'M MEETING WITH A COALITION HERE AND WE MAKE ONE WORD CHANGE BETWEEN HERE, ON WHAT BASIS DID WE DO THAT? IF IT'S TO WALK THROUGH THE DOCUMENT AND SO THEY CAN COME UP WITH WHAT THEY WRITE TO PAB OR COUNCIL ON THEIR BEHALF. THAT'S ONE THING. BUT TO NOT CHANGE CONTENT FROM WHAT WE HAVE BEFORE YOU. AND THEN BEFORE I GIVE UP THE MIC, I JUST WANT TO SAY ONE OTHER THING AS RESPECT TO TO THE MAYOR, THE TIMELINE, IT WOULD BE LOVELY TO BE CONDENSED, BUT EVEN TO GET TO THE POINT OF HAVING THE DISCUSSION ON THE HANDOUT THAT THE CITY ATTORNEY PROVIDED AT THE WORKSHOP, AND TO INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE DRAFT. YOU MAY NOT EVEN GET TO THAT UNTIL AUGUST GIVEN THE TIME FRAME OF THE MEETING. SO MY POINT IS, IT SEEMS REALLY CONDENSED. BUT WHEN WE ARE WE WE DON'T RECONVENE UNTIL AUGUST. AND IT'S BUDGET TIME AND, AND ALL OF THOSE ITEMS, IT'S NOT AS CONDENSED AS YOU BELIEVE IT IS. SO WITH THAT, WE'RE HERE. I'M HERE TO HELP FACILITATE. AND THERE'S NOT ONE HOA OR THAT I HAVEN'T MET WITH AND SIT IN THE ROOM WITH AND DO WHATEVER. BUT I'M HESITANT TO SAY STAFF SHOULD CHANGE ONE LETTER BASED ON THOSE MEETINGS, ONLY TO FACILITATE INFORMATION SO THAT THE NEXT PUBLIC MEETING THAT CAN BE CONVEYED. SO AND I'LL STOP AT THAT. PERFECTLY SAID, I AGREE, AND GIVEN THAT 
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DISCUSSION, I WONDER IF THAT SHOULD AT SOME POINT IN TIME AS TO WHETHER OR NOT WE WANT TO DO DO WANT TO CHANGE THE PARADIGM RELATIVE TO WHAT THE PRESIDENTS COUNCIL MEETINGS ARE. IT SEEMS TO ME EARLIER THEY WERE MORE THEY WERE MORE GAUGED, BUT I'M SURE I'M WRONG BECAUSE WE THERE WAS A TIME WHEN WE WERE ALLOWED TO GO TO THEM, AND IT SEEMED TO ME THAT IT WAS MUCH MORE EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION. MORE INTERACTIVE. LET ME, LET ME YEAH, LET ME SHARE. WE ALLOW REPRESENTATIVE OF COUNCIL. WE SPREAD IT AROUND AND WE TRY TO DO THAT. YEAH, I THINK, AND I, I GIVE UPDATES AND THEN WE GO AROUND THE ROOM AND I TRY TO ELICIT AS MUCH AS I CAN FROM THEM THAT THEY SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT STREET SIGNS OUT AND EVERYBODY'S NODDING THEIR HEAD. AND I KNOW I'VE GOT TO PUT EMPHASIS IN THE STREET DEPARTMENT AND, AND ALL OF THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. SO I LEARNED SOMETHING FROM THEM EVERY DAY. SURE. BUT I DON'T DO IS LOBBY THEM TO BE A TO ASSIST IN PLANNING THE AGENDA OR VICE VERSA. IT'S, IT'S A FREE FLOWING OF INFORMATION. BUT I ALSO WENT, I, I THINK THE REASON YOU WEREN'T HERE, MA'AM, BUT ON MONDAY HAD SAID THAT I'M DISAPPOINTED IN. AND THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL. WE THINK THOSE HOA REPRESENTATIVES WOULD DO MORE. AND I JUST WANTED. I DIDN'T KNOW WHERE YOU WERE COMING FROM. AND I WANTED TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT. COMPLETELY INNOCENT, I DIDN'T YEAH, NO, NO, NO, IT'S FINE. AND I WAS I HOPE I DIDN'T COME ACROSS WRONG, BUT I JUST WANTED TO DELINEATE THE WAY THAT, YOU KNOW, I INHERITED PRESIDENTS COUNCIL WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS OUT THERE. AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD TOOL. BUT I THINK THAT I, I DON'T TRY TO BE A WEDGE. I TRY TO IT'S A LEARNING INSTRUMENT FOR ME, AND I HOPE VICE VERSA, THAT I PROVIDE MEANINGFUL INFORMATION WHEN WE GATHER TOGETHER. SO. OKAY, CAN I GO TO PUBLIC COMMENT? SURE. 
          OKAY, GOOD. I HAVE ONE PUBLIC SPEAKER. IF THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE WHO WISHES TO SPEAK, PLEASE FILL OUT YOUR THE SPEAKER REGISTRATION FORM AND GIVE IT TO THE CLERK. JENNA HEIDEMANN. GOOD AFTERNOON. GOOD AFTERNOON. DAVID IS WATCHING. HE ALWAYS YELLS AT ME WHEN I DO THIS THE WRONG WAY. OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS JENNA HEIDEMANN AND I AM HERE ON BEHALF OF THE COALITION REPRESENTING AQUALINE SHORES, COQUINA SANDS, GSAC, THE MOORINGS, PARK SHORE, PORT ROYAL, ROYAL HARBOR AND SUN TERRACE. THANK YOU FOR THIS DISCUSSION, BY THE WAY. I KNOW THIS IS A HUGE UNDERTAKING AND WE REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S EFFORTS AND WE'RE NOT TRYING TO BE DIFFICULT. I HOPE, I HOPE YOU KNOW THAT WE'D LIKE TO THANK THE COUNCIL AND STAFF FOR YOUR WILLINGNESS TO LISTEN TO THE CONCERNS AND PERSPECTIVES OF OF OUR COALITION AND OTHER STAKEHOLDERS REGARDING THE COMP PLAN UPDATE. WE RECOGNIZE THIS IS A HUGE UNDERTAKING AND IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET IT RIGHT. 
          AS NOTED IN OUR PRIOR COMMENTS TO BOTH THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD IN MARCH AND CITY COUNCIL IN APRIL, THE COALITION RESPECTFULLY REQUESTS ADDITIONAL TIME BEFORE MOVING FORWARD WITH TRANSMITTAL OF THE COMP PLAN TO THE STATE. WE ASK THAT YOU FOLLOW THE PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD'S RECOMMENDATION, APPROVED BY A NEAR UNANIMOUS VOTE ON MAY 13TH, TO EXTEND THE TIMELINE AND ALLOW FOR MEANINGFUL COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT BEFORE FINAL ACTION IS TAKEN. 
          HOPEFULLY YOU HAD A FEW MOMENTS TO REVIEW THE MEETING LAST WEEK, WHERE THE BOARD THOUGHTFULLY DISCUSSED THE REASONS FOR ITS RECOMMENDATION, INCLUDING THE IMPORTANCE OF RESIDENT PARTICIPATION, CAREFUL REVIEW OF THE DRAFT, AND THE LONG TERM IMPACT THIS DOCUMENT HAS HAS ON OUR COMMUNITY. GIVEN THE SEASONAL NATURE OF NAPLES, MANY RESIDENTS AND COALITION PARTNERS ARE NOT PRESENT DURING THE SUMMER MONTHS, EXTENDING THE PROCESS UNTIL NOVEMBER, AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PAB, WOULD PROVIDE THE NECESSARY TIME FOR THOUGHTFUL PUBLIC INPUT THROUGH THE COALITION AND ENSURE THAT THIS PROCESS PROCESS RECEIVES THE ENGAGEMENT AND INPUT IT DESERVES. THE HOPE OF THE COALITION IS TO USE THE SUMMER MONTHS TO REALLY DISSECT THE DRAFT, THOUGHTFULLY GATHER INPUT AND WORK COLLABORATIVELY, COLLABORATIVELY TOWARD SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS THAT REFLECT THE VOICES OF EACH COMMUNITY REPRESENTED IN OUR COALITION. 
          AS THE PAB AND COUNCIL HAVE POINTED OUT, THERE REALLY IS NO URGENCY IN SUBMITTING THIS DOCUMENT, AND AT THE VERY LEAST, WE WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE SUFFICIENT TIME FOR RESIDENTS ENGAGEMENT. IT IS ALSO OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE STATUTE OUTLINES A PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT PROCESS, WHICH WE HOPE IS NOW NOW OCCURRING FOLLOWING THE PUBLISHING OF THE DRAFT. AND GARY, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION. OH, OF PRESIDENTS COUNCIL. WE FIND IT TO BE VERY RESOURCEFUL TOOL AND AND WE REALLY ENJOY HAVING THOSE MONTHLY MEETINGS. WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT ON TUESDAYS PRESIDENTS COUNCIL MEETING, THERE WILL BE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PLAN AND AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PRESIDENTS TO WEIGH IN AND PROVIDE CONSTRUCTIVE FEEDBACK ON THE PROCESS, WHICH WE HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO YET. APART FROM SUBMITTING OUR COMMENT LETTERS SINCE THE DRAFT HAS BEEN PREPARED. AND AS MENTIONED IN LAST WEEK'S PLANNING ADVISORY BOARD MEETING, THE COALITION STANDS READY AND WILLING TO WORK WITH STAFF AND THE PAB AND COUNCIL TOWARD SPECIFIC RECOMMENDATIONS THAT REFLECT THE VOICES OF THE COLLECTIVE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. THE ONLY AS MR. YOUNG SAID, IT MAY END UP BEING NOVEMBER. AND I THINK THAT MR. YOUNG CAN MAKE HIS DECISION. I THINK LEGALLY 
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THERE'S A. AND THROUGH THE CLERK ON WHETHER THAT MEETING IS CONSIDERED A PRIVATE MEETING. 
          IF YOU ARE GOING TO MAKE DECISIONS AND DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER, WHICH YOU OF COURSE WOULDN'T. BUT NOT HAVING MINUTES TAKEN OR IT BEING NOTICED PROPERLY, IT REALLY WOULD BE A FORMAL MEETING, BUT I'LL LET THE ATTORNEY AND THE CITY MANAGER DETERMINE ON WHETHER THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL IS A PROPER PLACE. AGAIN, IT SHOULD BE IN THE PUBLIC FORUM SO THAT EVERYONE CAN HEAR THE COMMENTS THAT ARE MADE SO THAT WE ALL CAN WORK TOGETHER. SO OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK YOU'VE GOT THE SUPPORT. I JUST DON'T KNOW ABOUT HOW THAT TIMELINE WILL PLAY OUT, BUT I DO. THE ONE OTHER THING YOU SAID, AND THAT WAS PUBLIC INPUT. I, I THINK THIS BODY FEELS THERE'S BEEN PLENTY OF PUBLIC INPUT AS FAR AS IT RELATES TO REACHING OUT, DOING THE MAILERS. AND FOR THOSE OF, OF THAT ARE AWARE AND CONCERNED, AS THE VICE MAYOR SAID, PLEASE INFORM US. YEAH, IF I MAY. YES. IT'S VERY, VERY DIFFICULT TO GET ANYBODY TO LISTEN TO EVEN ANY EMAILS THAT ANYBODY SENDS FROM US. SO THAT'S WHY WE THOUGHT UTILIZING THE COALITION AND WORKING SPECIFICALLY WITH OUR RESPECTIVE ASSOCIATIONS AND GROUPS, THAT WE THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE MORE OF A EFFECTIVE TOOL TO GET PEOPLE TO. WE'RE LISTENING. DON'T WORRY. IF THEY'RE NOT RESPONDING BACK, IT'S PROBABLY BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT GOING TO SPEAK FOR THE WHOLE ENTIRE BODY. BUT WE'RE LISTENING TO YOU AND I KNOW AND WE APPRECIATE THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. THANK YOU. SCHULTZ. CAN YOU ENLIGHTEN ME? THERE'S BEEN THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL. WHAT COMPELLED YOU FOLKS TO BAND TOGETHER AND NOT ALL THE OTHER SHOWS THAT ARE IN THERE? WHAT WHAT PROMPTED YOU FOLKS TO TAKE THE BALL AND RUN WITH THAT COALITION? YES, MA'AM. WE ACTUALLY FORMED THE COALITION SEVERAL YEARS AGO AROUND SOME ISSUES THAT WE FELT WERE WITH THE AIRPORT AND THEN WITH THE HOSPITAL. SO WE KIND OF JUST WERE ACTING SORT OF AS OUR OWN BODY. AND THEN THERE WERE A LOT OF NEIGHBORHOODS THAT SORT OF FELT THE SAME. AND WE, WE, WE FORMED A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. 
          AND SOMETIMES WHEN THERE'S ISSUES THAT ARE NOT REALLY RELEVANT, WE DON'T REALLY ACT OR, YOU KNOW, WE KIND OF JUST STAY DORMANT, BUT WE'RE REALLY TRYING TO BECOME MORE ENGAGED AND, AND INVOLVED EVEN MORE ASSOCIATIONS IF PEOPLE WANT TO JOIN. I THINK WE ALL HAVE A COMMON GOAL OF, OF BETTERING OUR COMMUNITY AND, AND BEING, YOU KNOW, COLLABORATIVE IN A LOT OF THE ISSUES THAT WE ALL SEE. SO WERE YOU SAYING A FLOOR OF SOME SORT WITH THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL THAT COMPELLED YOU FOLKS TO DO THAT SEVERAL YEARS AGO? NO, IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL. NO. OKAY. THANK YOU. MR. OKAY. THERE WERE SPECIFICS TO AND I THAT PUBLIC SPEAKERS THAT WERE LISTED IN THE BACKUP. I DON'T THINK THAT YOU SHOULD DO IT, BUT I DO THINK COUNCIL SHOULD ASK THAT THOSE PEOPLE THAT SPOKE UP, I THINK IT WAS NEAPOLITAN. MATT CRAIG AND INFORMING THEM TO GIVE US SPECIFICS. THERE WERE TWO PUBLIC SPEAKERS, AND I DID OUTLINE IN THE AGENDA MEMORANDUM WHO. SO JENNA WAS ONE OF THEM REPRESENTING THE COALITION. SIMILAR TESTIMONY TO WHAT YOU JUST HEARD TODAY, BUT ALSO REFERENCING LETTERS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO CITY COUNCIL IN THE PAST. AND THEN ALSO THERE WAS NEAL MONTGOMERY, WHO WAS AN ATTORNEY REPRESENTING THREE INDIVIDUALS IS ANTHONY SOLOMON FROM RONTO GROUP. BARBARA WALKER FROM NEAPOLITAN ENTERPRISES AND MATTHEW CRAIG FROM MHK ARCHITECTURE. AND SHE ALSO WAS REFERENCING A LETTER THAT WAS PROVIDED. SO THE TESTIMONY PROVIDED BY BOTH PUBLIC SPEAKERS WAS, YOU KNOW, IN REFERENCE TO CORRESPONDENCE THAT THEY'VE PROVIDED. SO YOU'LL HAVE YOU HAVE COPIES OF THOSE LETTERS. THEY WERE PUBLISHED AS WELL. OKAY. MR. YOUNG. YES. SO THERE'S TWO THINGS. ONE, I NEED TO GET CONSENSUS. AND IF WE'RE GOING TO TO DO THIS, WHICH I THINK WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON, IS THEN TO BRING BACK TO YOU ANY MODIFICATIONS AND TIMELINE AND ANY CONTRACT AMENDMENT THAT MAY BE NECESSARY, GIVEN THE EXTENDED TIMELINE AND MEETINGS, TO ACCOMMODATE THIS REQUEST THAT I WOULD BRING BACK ON JUNE 3RD OR JUNE 17TH, WHICHEVER DAY I CAN GET IT FINALIZED SO THAT WE HAVE IT BEFORE THE BREAK. I GUESS I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I HAVE CONSENSUS FOR THAT. YES. 
          OKAY. YES. AND THEN THE SECOND PART OF THIS IS THERE'S ACTUALLY EMAILS AND AND AS I ALLUDED TO, THE COALITION AND VARIOUS MEETINGS. ET CETERA. YOU KNOW, I, I LOOK AT IT AS, AS, AS ME HAVING A MEETING TO SHARE THE CONTENT OF IT. BUT IN THIS CASE, THERE'S ACTUALLY DIRECTIVES REQUESTED IN TERMS OF MAPPING AND DOING CERTAIN THINGS TO SPECIFIC SECTIONS OF 
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OUR CODE. YOU KNOW, WE PRESENTED THE RESILIENCY PLAN, THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. 
          ALL THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE AVAILABLE TO SHOW WHAT WE'RE DOING. AND THERE'S SPECIFICS IN THESE REQUESTS. AND I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO ASK IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE THAT COUNCIL IS ASKING ME TO DO ON BEHALF OF THAT, OR IS IT JUST THAT I'M TO USE MY JUDGMENT IN TERMS OF MY MEETINGS WITH ANY HOA AND HAVE. I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY ASKING ME TO DO WITH AS WELL. SO. WELL, I THAT'S THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THAT. I WAS JUST TRYING TO GET CLARIFICATION ON, ON SPECIFICS FROM THE REQUESTERS OF WHAT BESIDES MORE MEETINGS, WHICH I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'VE ADDRESSED, I THINK THERE'S A GARY'S REFERRING TO AN EMAIL THAT WAS PROVIDED TO CITY COUNCIL FROM THE HOA COALITION THAT WAS REQUESTING MEETING WITH APPROPRIATE CITY STAFF, BUT THEN ALSO DIRECTING THAT STAFF PROVIDE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION TO SUPPORT THOSE MEETINGS. AND MY STANCE HAS ALWAYS BEEN, I'M ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO MEET WITH ANYONE AND DISCUSS SOMETHING, BUT THE ONLY PERSON WHO CAN DIRECT ME TO PREPARE, YOU KNOW, TO ALLOCATE STAFF TIME OR TO ALLOCATE THE CONSULTANT'S TIME IS THE CITY MANAGER AND YOU DIRECT THE CITY MANAGER. SO I THINK BEFORE WE KIND OF OPEN UP THIS CAN OF WORMS OF INDIVIDUAL. WELL, THE REQUEST WAS MADE BY COUNCIL. COUNCIL AGREES. AND I THINK THAT THIS. THEIR CONCERN SHOULD BE BROUGHT TO COUNCIL SO THAT WE THEN IN RETURN CAN ASK YOU TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WHATEVER THIS BODY DECIDES AND IT BE TRANSPARENT WITHIN A PUBLIC MEETING. OKAY. I KIND OF MISSED THAT. REGARDING WHAT SHE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE FROM THE OUTSIDE ASKING YOU TO DO SOMETHING AND THAT'S A NO. YEAH. 
          SO THERE'S ALWAYS STAFFS ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO DISCUSS, YOU KNOW, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. BUT THIS WAS A DIRECTIVE THAT WE PROVIDE A DOCUMENT MAPPING THE COMP PLAN TO THE CURRENT CODE AND PRODUCE ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION TO SUPPORT THESE UPCOMING MEETINGS. AND WHILE WE'RE ALWAYS AVAILABLE TO BE HELPFUL, I JUST CAUTION THAT WE HAVE A VERY SMALL PLANNING STAFF. WE ALSO HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC CONTRACT WITH THE CONSULTANT. SO BEFORE WE DIRECT THE CONSULTANT TIME OR STAFF TIME, WE HAVE TO BRING THAT TO COUNCIL BECAUSE THAT DIRECTIVE HAS TO COME FROM YOU. YEAH, IT ACTUALLY COMES FROM HIM. WE'LL HAVE TO COME FROM HIM. YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT I WANTED BECAUSE THERE'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, YOU KNOW, FIRST OF ALL, AND I'VE SAID THIS SEVERAL TIMES TODAY, I'LL MEET WITH ANYBODY AND I CAN DELINEATE BETWEEN WHAT I'M REALLY DOING. AND ERIC IS NOT GOING TO BE THE ONE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON WHAT WE'RE DOING IN RESILIENCY, TO BRIDGE THAT BETWEEN HERE AND THERE. THE SPECIFIC PART, THOUGH, IS, IS IT CAME FROM THE ORIGIN OF THE COALITION. THEN IT WENT TO PAB AND THEY SAID, DO THIS. NOW YOU'RE SAYING, AND I JUST WANTED TO KNOW THE EXPECTATIONS. DO I HAVE THE ABILITY TO HANDLE THIS THE WAY I THINK APPROPRIATE, GIVEN MY POSITION AS CITY MANAGER? OR IS THERE A DIRECTIVE THAT YOU'RE TELLING ME TO ACCOMMODATE THAT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT? AND I SAY THAT WITH THE UTMOST RESPECT. I JUST WANT TO KNOW IF IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, I TOOK THAT AS AN EMAIL AND WE'LL WORK TOGETHER AND WE'LL SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO BRIDGE THAT GAP. BUT IN THE SAME TOKEN, WHAT I AND BASED ON THE PURE DELINEATION THAT THOSE COMMENTS WILL COME BACK FROM WHERE THEY THEIR ORIGIN ON ANYTHING THEY WANT TO SEE CHANGED BASED ON THOSE DISCUSSION. AND I THINK THAT GIVES ME THE COMFORT THAT I NEED. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE IF THERE WAS SOMETHING SPECIFIC THAT THIS BODY, IN LIGHT OF ALL OF THE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN YOUR BOARD, IF YOU WERE ASKING BECAUSE THAT SAYS TO APPROPRIATE STAFF TO DO A SPECIFIC TASK. AND I'M TRYING TO TO DELINEATE WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, OR IF IT'S JUST MERELY WHAT I SAID AND GOT CONSENSUS ON, AND THEN BE THE CONSUMMATE PROFESSIONALS THAT WE ARE TO TRY TO ACCOMMODATE AND BRIDGE INFORMATION GAPS. YEAH, I KNOW THAT FOR ANY OF US, IF WE NEED TO DO RESEARCH ON HISTORICAL RESEARCH OR ANY DOCUMENTATION, WE HAVE TO GO TO THE CLERK'S WEBSITE. WE DON'T DIRECT STAFF TO DO ANYTHING THAT'S WE HAVE TO HAVE CONSENSUS FROM THIS. 
          THESE SEVEN PEOPLE, IF WE WANTED TO ASK YOU TO DIRECT STAFF TO DO SOMETHING. SO I THINK THAT SHOULD COVER THE BASIS OF IS ANYONE GOING TO WHO'S DIRECTING STAFF NOW? I THINK I HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION. I CAN SAY, HEY, I'VE DONE IT BEFORE, ERICA, WHERE WOULD I FIND SUCH AND SUCH AND, OR AND THE CLERK'S AWESOME AT THAT. BUT WE DO OUR OWN RESEARCH. WE FIND OUR, AND ALL THE DOCUMENTS THEY NEED FOR THE COMP PLAN ARE OUT THERE. 
          THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO HIDDEN ANYTHING. SO HAVE AT IT. AND WHAT I WOULD SAY IS I WOULD ASSUREDLY MEET WITH ANY HOA OR COALITION, NO MATTER WHAT IT WAS, BECAUSE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I COULD SIT IN A ROOM AND I CAN TELL YOU, HERE'S THE FIVE DOCUMENTS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED IN THE LAST 12 MONTHS, INCLUDING THE RESILIENCY PLAN. HERE'S THE MOST RECENT CIP. 
          HERE'S THE TRANSPORTATION STUDY, HOW THEY'RE INTERTWINED IN HERE. AND I CAN HAVE THAT MEETING BEFORE I GO, JUST TRYING TO SAY WE'RE GOING TO CREATE DOCUMENTS TO DELINEATE THAT FOR SOMEBODY. 
          AND SO I GUESS I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH THAT TYPE OF. 
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AND THAT YOU TRUST ME TO HANDLE IT IN THAT WAY AS OPPOSED TO I IN THE SENSE IS THAT I DON'T IT'S NOT A MANDATE, BUT IT IS A. LET'S MAKE SURE THEY GET THE INFORMATION AS THAT IS ALREADY AVAILABLE SO THEY KNOW WHAT THEIR DISPOSAL IS, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT. OKAY. OKAY. FURTHER DIRECTION. ARE YOU COMPLETE? YOU KNOW YOUR. YES, MA'AM. OH, I'M SORRY. YOU'RE IT'S YOUR OBJECTIVE TO BE PART OF THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL. IS IT YOUR OBJECTIVE? AND THE FOLKS THAT ARE ON THE COALITION TO BECOME A PART OF THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL, IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR? GREAT. COULD YOU CUT, PLEASE? SORRY. TURN. YES. AND STATE YOUR NAME. JENNA, HEDERMAN AND NANCY. I'M NANCY WALKENHORST, I'M PRESIDENT OF PARK SHORE ASSOCIATION. SHE'S ALSO ON THE COALITION, SO SHE'S HERE TO HELP ME. PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL CONSISTS OF OF ALL NEIGHBORHOODS IN IN THE CITY OF NAPLES. IT'S NOT JUST THE COALITION. IT'S THERE'S A LOT OF THEM. IT'S. AND IT'S THE MEETING THAT COMES FROM THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE THAT WE ALL ATTEND. IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE ASKING? NOT REALLY. OH, I THINK I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY I FEEL LIKE THERE'S A MISCONCEPTION OF WHAT THE PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL IS, AS OPPOSED TO WHAT THIS HOA COALITION IS. PRESIDENT'S COUNCIL AS AS THE CITY MANAGER HAS SAID, IS THEY THEY GIVE US INFORMATION. WE GET TO. IT'S NOT A COLLABORATIVE BODY THAT IS THERE TO RESPOND TO SOMETHING. SO IF IF WE WERE GOING TO RESPOND TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WE DON'T GET TOGETHER AND AND PLAN TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. IT'S MORE LIKE EACH NEIGHBORHOOD GETS TO REPORT BACK WHAT OUR CONCERNS ARE AND THINGS. SO IT'S, IT'S MORE OF AN INFORMATION THING ANYWAY, RIGHT? THE HOA COALITION, WE, WE ACTUALLY MEET WITH EACH OTHER, DISCUSS IDEAS, THROW OUT, YOU KNOW, VARIOUS THINGS WE CAN DO. WE DON'T ALWAYS AGREE ON EVERYTHING, BUT WE TRY TO FORM A PATH THAT WORKS TOWARD HELPING MAYBE ACHIEVE THINGS THAT, THAT WE FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT AND GET THEM TO WHERE YOU ALL AND OTHER BODIES CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO. SO THAT'S BASICALLY IT DOES THAT, DOES THAT HELP? SORT OF, I SORT OF IF YOU WANT TO TRY TO GET TOGETHER. SO BECAUSE STAFF'S TIME IS LIMITED. WELL, AND, AND I MEAN THAT WE CERTAINLY HAVE NO INTENTION OF TRYING TO DIRECT STAFF TO DO ANYTHING. I THINK WE'RE JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND, AS I IT APPEARS MAYBE YOU ALL ARE TOO, ON CERTAIN THINGS, HOW THINGS HAVE WORKED AND HOW WHERE WE CAN GET INFORMATION AND IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS. I THINK THERE WAS A THERE WAS A REQUEST THAT WE BE ALLOWED AS THE COALITION TO MEET WITH STAFF. WE NEVER REALLY HEARD ANYTHING BACK FROM THAT. AND I THINK THE WHOLE IDEA WAS JUST TO UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE PROCESS, WHAT WE NEED TO DO IF IF THERE WAS EVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO MAKE SUGGESTIONS ABOUT THE FINAL DOCUMENT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. WE'RE WE'RE ELECTED BY YOU TO SERVE YOU. SO DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID. 
          DEFINITELY BEEN LISTENING. APPRECIATE IT. AND WE DO LISTEN, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ONE PERSON ON THIS THAT IS NOT LISTENING. SO THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 
          YES. THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG. YEAH. AND THE ONLY THING I'LL SAY IS THE SAME THING I SAID ON MONDAY. 
          AS FAR AS US RESPONDING AS STAFF, THERE WAS DISCUSSIONS BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN COUNCIL AND THEIR BOARD, MEANING THERE WERE PUBLIC MEETINGS THAT WAS GOING TO BE INFORMATION CONVEYED ON YOUR PROCESSES. AND UNTIL YOU GAVE US, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU WANTED US AND HOW YOU WANTED TO HANDLE IT. WE HAD THOSE PUBLIC MEETINGS AND WOULDN'T FOCUS ON ANY ONE PARTICULAR GROUP OVER ANOTHER, REGARDLESS OF WHAT EMAILS CAME IN. AND THAT WAS OUT OF RESPECT OF YOUR PROCESS AND THE PROCESS. SO BUT I THINK I HAVE THE WHAT I KNOW I WANT TO DO IS TO SHARE AS MUCH INFORMATION WITH WHETHER IT'S THIS GROUP OR ANOTHER, TO MAKE SURE THEY KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING AND THE OVERLAPPING DOCUMENTS AND THINGS THAT FEED UPON THEMSELVES ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. AND THEN THEY CAN INCORPORATE, AS THEY WILL, INTO THEIR INTERPRETATION FOR THE COMP PLAN. SO I WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. WE APPRECIATE YOU. MAYOR. CAN WE TAKE A BRIEF BREAK BEFORE WE START THE LAST TWO ITEMS? THAT WOULD BE WONDERFUL. IT'S 430. OKAY. WE'RE BACK IN FOR MARCH. 
          [15.A) An Ordinance of the City of Naples, Florida Amending the Naples Code of Ordinances To Create a New Section 1-17 of Chapter 1, General Provisions, to be Titled “Public Notice Requirements”, Providing for Electronic Publication of Required Notices and Advertisements on a Publicly Accessible County Website, Providing for Annual Notification to Residents and Property Owners to Receive Notices by Mail or E-Mail, and Establishing a Registry for This Purpose in Accordance with Section 50.0311, Florida Statutes; Amending Subsection (a)(1) of Section 2-53, Notice of Business to be Transacted; Subsection (4) of Section 2-83, Appeal Procedure; Extension of Time for Compliance; Section 2-764, Notice by Publication; Subsection (b)(2) of Section 12-5, Limitation Upon Grant; Subsection (e) of Section 30-163, Violations; Subsection (b) of Section 30-170, Pretreatment; Section 38-67, Public Notice; Section 44-8, Definitions of the Land Development Code; Subsection (e)(2) of Section 46-34, Approval of Conditional Uses; Subsection (b) of Section 46-36, Variances to Coastal Construction Control Line; Subsection (b)(4) of Section 46-38, Vacation of Street, Alley, Easement or subdivision Plat; Subsection (i) of Section 46-41, Claims for Vested Rights; Subsection (4)(a)1 of Section 52-93, Dredging, Filling and Other Marine Construction in Inland Waters; Subsection (c) of Section 54-31, Approval Procedure; Subsection (m)(2)a. of Section 56-48, Satellite Antennas, Towers and Masts; Section 58-804, Procedure for Approval of PD Zoning; and Subsection (i)(1) of Section 58-1078, Airport Noise Impact Zone Land Use Regulations of the Code of Ordinances of the City of Naples to Reference the New Section 1-17; Providing Administrative Procedures, Definitions, and Rules of Construction; Providing for Codification, Conflicts, Severability, Scrivener’s Errors, and Providing an Effective Date (Supplement 2/Updated Item).]
WELL, SHORT BREAK AND WE ARE CONTINUING ON WITH ITEM. 15 A. YES. ARE YOU READY TO READ? 
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YEAH. MR. MCCONNELL THANK YOU. THIS IS THE THE FIRST READING OF AN ORDINANCE OF THE CITY OF NAPLES, FLORIDA, AMENDING THE NAPLES CODE OF ORDINANCES TO CREATE A NEW SECTION 1-17 OF CHAPTER ONE, GENERAL PROVISIONS TO BE TITLED PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENTS PROVIDING FOR ELECTRONIC PUBLICATION OF REQUIRED NOTICES AND ADVERTISEMENTS ON A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE COUNTY WEBSITE, PROVIDING FOR ANNUAL NOTIFICATION TO RESIDENTS AND PROPERTY OWNERS TO RECEIVE NOTICES BY MAIL OR EMAIL, AND ESTABLISHING A REGISTRY FOR THE FOR THE PURPOSE IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 50.0311 FLORIDA STATUTES AMENDING SUBSECTION ONE OF SECTION 2-53 NOTICE OF BUSINESS TO BE TRANSACTED TRANSACTED. SUBSECTION FOUR OF SECTION 2-83. APPEAL PROCEDURE EXTENSION OF THE TIME FOR COMPLIANCE. SECTION 2-764. 
          NOTICE OF PUBLICATION. SUBSECTION TWO OF SECTION 12-5. LIMITATION UPON GRANT. 
          SUBSECTION E OF SECTION 3163 VIOLATIONS. SUBSECTION B OF SECTION 30-170. PRETREATMENT. 
          SECTION 3867 PUBLIC NOTICE. SECTION 448. DEFINITIONS OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE, SUBSECTION TWO OF SECTION 46. 34 APPROVAL OF CONDITIONAL USES SUBSECTION B OF SECTION 46. 36 VARIANCES TO COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE, SUBSECTION B FOUR OF SECTION 46-38. VACATION OF STREET, ALLEY EASEMENT OR SUBDIVISION PLAT. SUBSECTION I OF SECTION 4641 CLAIMS FOR VESTED RIGHTS, SUBSECTION FOUR A ONE OF SECTION 5293 DREDGING, FILLING, AND OTHER MARINE CONSTRUCTION AND INLAND WATERS. SUBSECTION C OF SECTION 5431 APPROVAL PROCEDURE, SUBSECTION M2A OF SECTION 5648, SATELLITE ANTENNA TOWERS AND MASTS. SECTION 58804 PROCEDURE FOR APPROVAL OF PD ZONING AND SUBSECTION ONE OF SECTION 58. 107, A AIRPORT NOISE IMPACT ZONE LAND USE REGULATIONS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES OF THE CITY OF NAPLES. TO REFERENCE THE NEW SECTION 1-17, PROVIDING ADMINISTRATIVE PROCEDURES, DEFINITIONS AND RULES OF CONSTRUCTION, PROVIDING FOR CONFLICT, CODIFICATION, CONFLICT, SEVERABILITY, SCRIVENER'S ERRORS AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. 
          THANK YOU, MRS. RAMOS. THANK YOU MATTHEW. I MADE THAT AS LONG AS I POSSIBLY COULD. SO JUST FOR COUNCIL'S CLARIFICATION, THE REAL PURPOSE OF THAT ORDINANCE IS ON LINE THREE AND FOUR, PROVIDING FOR ELECTRONIC PUBLICATION OF REQUIRED NOTICES AND ADVERTISEMENTS ON A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE COUNTY WEBSITE. THAT IS BASICALLY THE ONLY CHANGE IS WE ADDED A SECTION 1-17 PUBLIC NOTICE REQUIREMENTS. AND AS YOU HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT, I DRAFTED THE ORDINANCE IN A MANNER THAT WE COULD CONTINUE TO PUBLISH LEGAL NOTICES IN A NEWSPAPER IF WE HAD TO, IF IT WERE NECESSARY. BUT WE CAN ALTERNATIVELY PUBLISH THEM ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE AS WELL. SO THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS, PER FLORIDA STATUTES, TWO REQUIREMENTS THAT APPLY TO ELECTRONIC PUBLICATION ARE LISTED IN PARAGRAPH E IN THE ORDINANCE. OTHERWISE, THE REMAINDER OF THE ORDINANCE BASICALLY AMENDS ALL REFERENCES WITHIN THE CODE THAT JUST REFERENCED NEWSPAPER PUBLISHING. SO THERE WERE NO OTHER CHANGES THROUGHOUT THE CODE EXCEPT TO REFER BACK TO THAT NEW SECTION 1-17. SO TO GIVE THE PUBLIC AND OUR NEW COUNCIL MEMBERS SOME BACKGROUND, CHAPTER 50 OF THE FLORIDA STATUTES WAS AMENDED TO GRANT MUNICIPALITIES THE ABILITY TO PUBLISH ALL REQUIRED LEGAL NOTICES ON A COUNTY'S PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE WEBSITE IN LIEU OF ADVERTISING IN A NEWSPAPER. IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS STATUTE, THE COLLIER COUNTY CLERK OF COURTS HAS ESTABLISHED A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE WEBSITE FOR THE MUNICIPALITIES IN THE COUNTY, AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, SHE DID THAT RIGHT AWAY, RIGHT AWAY AFTER THE LAW CHANGED. SO WE WERE ABLE TO START THIS PROCESS OVER A YEAR AGO. MOST CITIES TODAY ARE JUST STARTING TO FIGURE IT OUT AND HAD DIFFICULTY WITH THEIR CLERK OF COURTS TO ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO DO THIS. SO WE'RE IN A REALLY GOOD PLACE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS. OR THE COUNTY CLERK HAS MADE THIS WEBSITE ACCESSIBLE TO ALL THE MUNICIPALITIES. SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE MARCO ISLAND AND EVERGLADES CITY ALSO PARTICIPATING. OUR OFFICE HAS BEEN TRAINED IN HOW TO UTILIZE THE COUNTY SOFTWARE, AND WE HAVE BEEN PUBLIC PUBLIC POSTING OUR NOTICES ON THIS WEBSITE SINCE JULY OF 2020 FOR. AT THE 
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JANUARY 13TH OF 2025, WHICH WAS OVER A YEAR AGO. WORKSHOP FOR CITY COUNCIL. I OVERVIEWED THIS ALTERNATE METHOD OF PUBLISHING NOTICES AND WE RECEIVED DIRECTION FROM CITY COUNCIL TO PROCEED WITH THE PROCESS. BUT FIRST PUBLISH A NOTICE IN THE NEWSPAPER LETTING THE PUBLIC KNOW OF THE CHANGE OF PROCESS ONCE A MONTH FOR A PERIOD OF SIX MONTHS. WE DID THAT AND WE COMPLETED THAT, AND I ACTUALLY ADDED THE AFFIDAVIT OF PUBLICATION TO THE PACKET FOR YOUR. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT WE HAVE DONE THAT. IN ADDITION, WE ALSO PUBLISH IN THE CITY'S NEWSLETTER NOTICE TO THE PUBLIC, ALERTING THEM TO THIS NEW PROCESS THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THEM TO VIEW THE PUBLIC NOTICES RIGHT FROM THE CITY'S WEBSITE. AND WE HAVE A LINK IN THE MONTHLY NEWSLETTERS ALSO SO THAT THEY CAN LINK RIGHT FROM THE NEWSLETTER. SO I HAVE A VERY SHORT POWERPOINT THAT I PRESENTED LAST JANUARY. AND FOR THE PUBLIC AND THE NEW COUNCIL'S BENEFIT, I CAN WALK YOU THROUGH A FEW OF THE REQUIREMENTS AND THE BENEFITS FOR THE CITY BY PARTICIPATING IN THIS PROCESS. SO THE FIRST SLIDE IS WE DID HAVE TO AMEND A SECTION OF OUR CODE TO CREATE THE NEW PROCESS IN ACCORDANCE WITH FLORIDA STATUTE CHAPTER 50, WHICH ALLOWS MUNICIPALITIES TO NOW PUBLISH ON A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE COUNTY WEBSITE. SO THIS TAKES US RIGHT TO THE COUNTY CLERK OF COURTS WEBSITE. IF YOU WERE TO JUST TO GO TO THE COUNTY CLERK'S WEBSITE ON LEGAL NOTICES, THIS IS THE PAGE THAT YOU WOULD SEE. SO YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SELECT ANY ONE OF THOSE TABS. BUT WHAT WE DID IS WE PUT A LINKED TAB ON OUR CITY HOME PAGE THAT GOES DIRECTLY TO THE CITY OF NAPLES, RATHER THAN ANYONE HAVING TO LOOK THROUGH ALL THOSE DIFFERENT ADS. THE REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO PUBLISH ONCE A YEAR IN A NEWSPAPER TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT WE'RE PUBLISHING OUR ADS ON A ON A COUNTY WEBSITE. WE NEED TO MAINTAIN A REGISTRY OF NAMES, ADDRESSES, AND EMAIL ADDRESSES. IF A REQUEST IS MADE FOR NOTICES TO BE MAILED, WE NEED TO AMEND OUR CODE, WHICH IS WHAT IS BEFORE YOU TODAY, AND ESTABLISH AN INTERNAL EMAIL ADDRESS TO BE MANAGED BY THE CITY CLERK'S OFFICE FOR LEGAL NOTICES, WHICH IS ALREADY DONE. SO THIS IS THE CITY'S HOME PAGE WITH THE LINK TO THE LEGAL NOTICES RIGHT ON THE HOME PAGE. THE ARROW POINTS YOU RIGHT THERE. AND THEN THIS TAKES YOU RIGHT TO THE NEXT. WHATEVER'S AN ACTIVE LINK ON OUR THAT'S BEING PUBLISHED, IT'LL TAKE YOU DIRECTLY TO THE CITY OF NAPLES ADS. YOU'LL BE ABLE TO READ THE AD IN FULL FONT, VERY TRANSPARENT, EASILY EASY TO READ. THERE'S ALSO ON THE TOP OF THAT, A SUBSCRIBE BUTTON. SO ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC WILL BE ABLE TO SUBSCRIBE, OR THEY CAN NOW ACTUALLY SUBSCRIBE TO JUST CITY OF NAPLES NOTICES OR ANY OTHER NOTICES THAT THE COUNTY CLERK HAS UP THEIR. AND THEN WE GET AFFIDAVITS OF PUBLICATION FROM THE CLERK OF COURT REGULARLY WITHIN A DAY OR TWO AFTER THEY FINISH PUBLICATION. SOMETIMES WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED AFFIDAVITS FROM THE NEWSPAPER FOR SOMETIME SIX WEEKS, AND IT'S VERY HARD FOR US TO KEEP OUR. THOSE NOTICES AND THOSE AFFIDAVITS IN OUR FILES WHEN WE CONSTANTLY HAVE TO KEEP FOLLOWING UP FOR THEM. SO IT'S A VERY EASY PROCESS FOR US, AND THEY HAVE BEEN VERY TIMELY. AND THEN FINALLY, A COST SAVINGS. THIS WAS DONE A YEAR AGO. I DIDN'T FIGURE OUT THE LAST YEAR'S COST, BUT BASED ON LAST YEAR'S EVALUATION, THE FIRST ONE SHOWS YOU A THREE YEAR PERIOD WHERE THE CITY PAID $170,000 FOR NAPLES DAILY NEWS PUBLICATION, AND THEN THE 2020 425 YEAR WAS 60,000. NOW I NEED TO MENTION THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE STAFF TIME, AND I KNOW EVERY DEPARTMENT THAT PLACES LEGAL NOTICES, HAS STAFF THAT ACTUALLY HAS TO CREATE THE NOTICE, PUT IT IN THE NEWSPAPER, FOLLOW UP ON THE AFFIDAVIT, FOLLOW UP TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO GET THE BILL PAID. AND USUALLY THEY'RE ON A P CARD. AND IT'S A VERY DIFFICULT PROCESS. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME JUST FIGURING OUT HOW TO PAY THESE BILLS BECAUSE 
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THERE'S SOME KIND OF MAGICAL NUMBER SOMEWHERE THAT THEY DON'T PUT IN THEIR INVOICES THAT ARE WITH THE AD WHEN YOU PLACE THEM. SO IT'S A LOT OF PUZZLE PIECES BEING PUT TOGETHER AND EVERY DEPARTMENT'S DOING THE SAME THING. SO I KNOW I COULD PROBABLY, IF I COULD ESTIMATE IT, OR AT LEAST PAYING 3000 A YEAR ON STAFF TIME TO PROCESS THESE. AND THAT WAS THE END OF THAT. SO THIS IS A FIRST READING FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION, WHICH WILL APPROVE THE ALTERNATE METHOD OF PUBLICATION IN LIEU OF A NEWSPAPER, AND I THINK IT WILL PROMOTE EFFICIENCY AND PROVIDE A COST SAVINGS TO THE CITY OF NAPLES TAXPAYERS AND ALL THE STATUTORY REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CITY'S USE HAVE BEEN MET. SO I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. OF COURSE, I'M THE ONLY. OKAY, GOOD. I TRIED HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH MISS BOSQUE ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY BECAUSE I INITIALLY THOUGHT IT WAS A VERY GOOD IDEA. BUT IF IT'S ABOUT COST, I DON'T SEE THE COST. WHEN I LOOK AT THE BUDGET, I ONLY SEE 14,000 A YEAR FOR LEGAL ADS, WHICH MAKES ME LOOK AT THIS PARTICULAR SECTION, WHICH IS ANOTHER ISSUE. 
          TAKING IT OUT OF THE SECTIONS THAT THEY'RE IN, PUTTING IT IN A SEPARATE SECTION, I THINK IS A A CONCERN, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE GOING TO IF YOU'RE GOING TO DO A PROCEDURE FOR APPROVAL OF A PD ZONING, IT TELLS YOU HOW YOU'RE GOING TO ADVERTISE THAT RIGHT THERE. SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO FROM ONE SECTION OF THE CODE TO ANOTHER SECTION OF THE CODE, NOT EVEN KNOWING. I MEAN, THIS BROUGHT UP A REALLY INTERESTING POINT OF HOW MANY ADS YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO ADVERTISE FOR AND HOW MANY DEPARTMENTS ADVERTISE ON THEIR OWN VERSUS YOU DOING THEM. SO IT, IT, AT THE BEGINNING, IT SOUNDED WONDERFUL. IT SOUNDED LIKE WE WERE GOING TO SAVE MONEY. BUT IF THIS IS TO SAVE MONEY, I DON'T SEE THE COST SAVINGS. AND TO TAKE IT TO A ANOTHER ENTITY. I'M GLAD THAT THE STATE SAID YOU CAN DO THIS AS AN OPTION, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WHEN WE HAVE AN ELDERLY POPULATION, IF IT'S RIGHT HERE ON OUR WEBSITE, WHY WE WOULD NEED TO STOP TAKING IT OUT OF THE NEWSPAPER. NOW, I KNOW SOME PEOPLE DON'T USE THE NEWSPAPER, BUT SOME PEOPLE DO. SO I JUST DON'T KNOW WHETHER THERE IS AN ANALYSIS ON HOW MANY PEOPLE DO USE THE NEWSPAPER AND HOW MANY PEOPLE DON'T USE THE NEWSPAPER. 
          AND THEN THE THIRD THING ON THAT IS WHETHER WE REALLY WANT IT TO GO TO THE COUNTY. I MEAN, I THINK THE FIRST THING SHOULD BE OUR CITY NOTICES, AND THE COUNTY IS THE ALTERNATIVE. BUT I MEAN, IF WE GO THROUGH WITH THIS, I WE COULD LOOK AT THAT. I JUST I BECAUSE THE COUNTY COULD CHANGE THEIR POLICIES. THEY, THEY COULD HAVE FEE CHANGES. AND I'M JUST NOT SURE IF WE WANT TO RELY ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE FOR THE WHOLE COLLIER COUNTY. SO, MAYOR, MAY I JUST ON THAT POINT. YES. PURSUANT TO 50.0311, IT HAS TO BE THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY AS AN ALTERNATIVE, IF YOU DON'T USE A NEWSPAPER. CORRECT. RIGHT. IF YOU DECIDE TO ELECTRONICALLY POST, IT HAS TO BE TO THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE THOUGH. I JUST WANT TO ASK WHAT THE BILL SAID. THAT'S WHAT THE STATUTE SAYS. CORRECT STATUTE, WHICH WAS A BILL. CORRECT. RIGHT. AND AND ALSO, TO CLARIFY, I DIDN'T CHANGE IT TO CHANGE IT TO THE METHOD OF PUBLISHING ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE. I JUST CHANGED IT TO PROVIDE THE FLEXIBILITY OF ALTERNATIVELY PROVIDING IT. SO IF SOMETHING DOES CHANGE AND SAY SHE DOES SOMETHING AND DOESN'T HAVE THAT SOFTWARE ANY LONGER, WE STILL HAVE THE NEWSPAPER REQUIREMENT IN OUR CODE. I MEAN, WE HAVE TO DO EITHER ORDER PER STATE LAW. WAIT, I THOUGHT YOU SAID THAT WE WOULDN'T. WE COULD DO THE NEWSPAPER IF WE HAD TO. YES. OR ALTERNATIVELY. AND RIGHT. THAT TAKES ME TO THE QUESTION OF THE NEW SECTION ON HOW IT IS DETERMINED. THE NEW POLICY. 
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WHERE IS THE NEW POLICY UNDER THE DETERMINATIONS? OH, HERE'S THE NEW DEFINITION. SORRY, IT'S ONLY SIX PAGES LONG. THE NEW DEFINITIONS. YES, A ON PAGE THREE. OKAY, SO. IT SAYS THAT WE CAN BE. OH, LET ME GET TO THE EXACT WORDING. YEAH. PAGE THREE. PUBLISHING COSTS, ABILITY FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS. AND THAT'S THE CONCERN IS HOW MANY PUBLIC HEARINGS. OH, HERE IT IS. THE LAST PAGE OF THE RESOLUTION, SECTION 23. WELL, THE CITY CAN ATTORNEY CAN CORRECT SCRIVENER'S ERRORS, WHICH WE'VE HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT. IF ANYBODY SIGNS IT, THAT SHOULD BE THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE SIGNED OFF ON IT, NOT JUST THE CITY ATTORNEY. IF I HAVE TO SIGN IT, I'VE GOT MY NAME ON IT. I WANT ANY CHANGES TO BE MADE. IT SHOULD BE THE CLERK AND THE CITY MAYOR. AND THAT'S NOT JUST FOR ME, IT'S FOR FUTURE MAYORS. AND THEN UNDER SECTION 24, IT SAYS THE ORDINANCE IS TO BE LIBERALLY CONSTRUED TO ACCOMPLISH ITS OBJECTIVES. AND THAT'S WHEN YOU SAID YESTERDAY, WELL, YOU'LL DETERMINE WHETHER YOU PUT IT IN THE PAPER OR NOT. 
          NO OFFENSE, BUT THAT'S KIND OF LOOSEY GOOSEY ON, YOU KNOW, FUTURE CLERKS TO SAY, WELL, WHAT WILL I PUT IN THERE AND WHAT WON'T I? CAN YOU CLARIFY WHAT. YES, SURE. THAT WAS A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE FOR SOMETHING THAT I COULD NOT GET PUBLISHED IN TIME FOR THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE. I MEAN, SOMETHING HAPPENED, BUT GENERALLY, I'M SORRY, I DIDN'T. I WE'RE GOING IF THIS WERE ADOPTED, I WOULD PUBLISH THE LEGAL NOTICES, AS MANY AS I COULD. ARE ALL LEGAL NOTICES IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS BY PUBLISHING THEM ON THE COLLIER COUNTY CLERK OF COURTS WEBSITE. SO THAT WOULD BE MY PRIMARY PUBLICATION METHOD. HOWEVER, IF SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN WHERE, LET'S SAY THERE WAS SOME KIND OF TECHNICAL ISSUE OR. COUNCIL CALLED A SPECIAL MEETING OR A MEETING WE NEEDED TO PUBLISH, AND I COULDN'T GET THAT ADVERTISED IN TIME ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE. BUT IF I COULD GET IT PUBLISHED IN THE NEWSPAPER, THAT'S AN ALTERNATE METHOD. AND SO EITHER WAY WOULD SUFFICE FOR LEGAL PUBLICATION FOR STATE REQUIREMENTS. I THINK THAT'S ALL I MEANT TO SAY. WE'RE PRIMARILY USING WOULD USE THE COUNTY CLERK OF COURTS WEBSITE. OKAY. SO THAT TO ME, I STILL CAN'T WRAP MY MIND ABOUT WHY WE WOULD WANT TO DO THAT, AND WE WOULDN'T MAKE IT EASIER FOR OUR RESIDENTS. IF IT'S NOT A PROBLEM, WHY ARE WE CHANGING IT? AND ESPECIALLY BECAUSE OF THE PARTICULAR ONES THAT WE'RE NOTICING FOR IF VIOLATIONS. SECTION 3163. WHY WOULD WE WANT TO CHANGE THAT, NOT TO BE WITHIN THAT SECTION? BECAUSE I THINK THAT'S A IT'S A CITY MANAGER VIOLATING THESE REGULATIONS ON WASTEWATER CONTRIBUTIONS PERMIT. I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE WOULD WANT TO KNOW ABOUT. YEAH. THE SECTION IS NOT CHANGING. YES. IT'S YOU. I HAVE A WHOLE STACK OF WHAT YOU'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR, MR. CITY MANAGER. THE ONLY THING CHANGING IN THAT IS PUBLISHING IN A LOCAL NEWSPAPER. IT'S ONLY CHANGING FROM THAT TO PUBLISHING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NEW SECTION 1.17. SO NOTHING IN THE PARAGRAPHS ARE CHANGING. IN THE ORDINANCE, IT DIRECTS IT BACK PUBLICATION. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          1.17 THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S IN ADDITION, IS THIS A BENEFIT TO TAKE IT OUT OF THE PAPER? NOW THAT I HAVEN'T BEEN CONVINCED ON WHETHER IT SHOULD BE TAKEN OUT WHEN PEOPLE THEY GO TO THE PAPER TO LOOK FOR NOTICES, AND ESPECIALLY LIKE IT'S ON THE VARIANCES TO THE COASTAL CONSTRUCTION CONTROL LINE. I THINK THAT SHOULD BE PUBLISHED IN THE PAPER. CLAIMS FOR VESTED RIGHTS, DREDGE AND FILL OF OTHER MARINE CONSTRUCTION INLANDS. THE APPROVAL PROCEDURE OF ZONING CHANGES, NOTICES FOR SATELLITE ANTENNAS AND TOWERS AND MASTS. 
          PROCEDURE FOR APPROVAL. PD ZONING AND THE AIRPORT NOISE IMPACT LAND USE REGULATIONS. 
          THOSE TO ME ARE HOT TOPICS IF YOU LOOK AT THE CITY. SO I WOULD RATHER MAKE SURE THAT WE 
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ARE COVERING OURSELVES IN NOTICES AS THE BEST WE POSSIBLY CAN. AND THIS WOULDN'T BE MY IDEA OF STREAMLINING NOTIFICATIONS. SO THAT'S I FINALLY GOT TO WHAT MY CONCERNS WERE, AND I. AND I JUST DON'T SEE A BENEFIT TO THOSE SPECIFIC ONES THAT ARE IN THIS RESOLUTION. SO THAT BEING SAID, I THINK I HAD VICE MAYOR, AND THERE WAS ONE OTHER THING THAT I DID NOT POINT OUT THAT I PROBABLY SHOULD. ANOTHER HUGE BENEFIT FOR THE PUBLIC, I MEAN, BESIDES BEING ABLE TO ACCESS IT RIGHT FROM THE CITY'S WEBSITE, IS THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PUBLISH IN THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE, LIKE FOR 10 OR 10 DAYS BEFORE AN ITEM OR A PUBLIC HEARING. SO RATHER THAN A NEWSPAPER, YOU GO TO A NEWSPAPER AND YOU'RE PUBLISHING ONE TIME BEFORE A HEARING. THAT'S WHAT THE STATUTE REQUIRES. BUT THE CLERK OF COURTS IS LETTING US LEAVE OUR AD UP THERE FOR UNTIL AFTER THE HEARING OCCURS. SO IT COULD GET A GOOD 10 TO 15 DAYS OF EXPOSURE OUT THERE UNTIL SOMETHING HAPPENS. SO I THOUGHT THAT THAT WAS PROBABLY A PRETTY PRIMARY BENEFIT. IT'S A GREAT BENEFIT, BUT WE CAN STILL DO THAT. I'M JUST RECOMMENDING I LIKE YOUR IDEA OF UTILIZING THAT TOOL. I THINK IT SHOULD STILL BE PUT ON THE CLERK'S WEBSITE, NOT UNDER GOVERNMENT, BECAUSE I WOULD THAT WOULD BE THE OTHER AND I THINK IT SHOULD BE IN THE PAPER, BUT I DON'T SEE THE COST SAVINGS AND THE BENEFIT TO MAKE THIS CHANGE. SO. 
          BLANKENSHIP AND THEN CRAMER. YEAH, A FEW QUESTIONS. I THINK I COULD SUPPORT THIS EVENTUALLY. 
          UNDERSTANDING IF WE HAVE A ROBUST PROCESS TO LET PEOPLE KNOW HOW THEY CAN SIGN UP ON THE COUNTY CLERK'S WEBSITE TO GET NOTIFICATIONS BY EMAIL OR BY SNAIL MAIL FOR LEGAL NOTICES SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT'S AN OPTION. I THINK EVENTUALLY MOST PEOPLE INFORMED MAY ELECT THAT, BECAUSE THEN IT SHOWS UP IN THEIR EMAIL VERSUS, OH, I NEED TO GO TO THE NEWSPAPER TODAY AND, AND READ AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT APPLIES TO ME. I THINK IT JUST MAKE IT EASIER FOR THEM EVENTUALLY. AND IT SEEMS FEWER AND FEWER PEOPLE ARE SUBSCRIBING TO THE PAPER ANYWAY. SO THIS WOULD BE A BETTER WAY TO COMMUNICATE WITH PEOPLE. WHAT'S GOING ON. I THINK WE WOULD NEED A GOOD TRANSITION PERIOD WHILE WE'RE NOTIFYING PEOPLE AND DOING BOTH NEWSPAPER AND AND THE COUNTY CLERK'S SITE UNTIL WE GET WE SEE WE HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE SIGNED UP GETTING NOTICES AND USING THEIR AWARE OF AND USING THAT THAT WEBSITE. I THINK IT'S EVENTUALLY WOULD BE A GREAT WAY JUST TO, TO RELY ON INSTEAD OF THE NEWSPAPER SOLELY. WOULD WE STILL MAIL LETTERS ON PLANNING DEPARTMENT PETITIONS? SO LIKE WHEN SOMEBODY ASKS FOR IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YES, WE WOULD CONTINUE. YES. I THINK THAT'S ABSOLUTELY CONTINUE CHANGE THE CITY MADE THAT. PEOPLE REALLY APPRECIATE GETTING THOSE LETTERS, THAT THERE'S SOMETHING SPECIFIC. SO THAT HELPS TOO, KNOWING THAT PEOPLE ARE STILL GETTING THOSE LETTERS RIGHT. THEY WON'T MISS THAT. ALL RIGHT. SO HAVE YOU THOUGHT ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD COMMUNICATE THIS AND ROLL THIS OUT TO GET PEOPLE TO. WELL, WE HAVE THE COUNTY WEBSITE. YEAH, WE HAVE ALREADY, AND WE'VE BEEN DOING IT SINCE LAST JANUARY. ACTUALLY, THIS PILOT PROGRAM THAT WE STARTED. SO WE STARTED OUT PUTTING THAT LINK ON THE HOME PAGE AND THE NOTICES THAT GO OUT TO THE RESIDENTS EVERY MONTH HAS A LITTLE NOTICE TAB ON IT THAT WE LINK THEM, RIGHT? OR WE GAVE THEM ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT LINKING TO THAT SITE IN THE COUNTY TO SUBSCRIBE AND SIGN UP TO THE LEGAL NOTICES IT'S BEEN IN THE CITY'S NEWSLETTER, I THINK, SINCE LAST JANUARY. CAN YOU TELL HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE SIGNED UP? AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM. WE ASKED THE COUNTY IF WE COULD TELL HOW MANY HITS THAT THEY GET FOR THE CITY. WE ASKED THEM FOR SOME ANALYTICS. WE ASKED OUR WEBSITE PEOPLE. WE CAN'T GET ANY INFORMATION FROM ANYBODY, SO WE CAN'T SAY THE LIST. NOBODY CAN GIVE US ANY INFORMATION. WE TRIED AGAIN THIS MORNING AND THEY JUST SAID THEY DON'T. THEY DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO GIVE US ANY NUMBERS. 
          SO YEAH, THAT'S A CONCERN. HOW DO WE KNOW IT'S WORKING RIGHT. YEAH. WE HAVE YOU TALKED TO 
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CRYSTAL KINZEL ABOUT IT? OH YEAH. CRYSTAL AND I LIKE HAD AN IMMEDIATE CONTACT WHEN THE LAW CHANGED BECAUSE SHE'S LIKE, WE WERE BOTH LIKE, THIS IS A GREAT IDEA. I THINK WE NEED TO JUMP ON THIS. AND SHE DID GOT IT DONE PRETTY QUICK WITHIN SIX MONTHS. AND WE ACTUALLY MET WITH THEIR IT PEOPLE MANY TIMES TO UPGRADE THE WHOLE PROCESS BECAUSE IT WAS A PROCESS WE HAD TO BUILD. IT DIDN'T COME. YOU DIDN'T JUST BUY IT BECAUSE NOBODY HAD IT. REMEMBER, THE LAW JUST CHANGED. SO NOBODY HAD A METHOD. SO WE MET WITH THE IT. WE WENT THROUGH AND GOT A LOT OF UPGRADES ON THAT. SO THAT BASICALLY THE CITY WASN'T COMMINGLED INTO EVERYBODY ELSE'S ADS AND THAT WE COULD SEPARATE IT OUT. SO ALL THE ALL OF OUR ADS ARE ALL BACKED UP THERE. THEY'RE VIEWABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND SEARCHABLE, AND THEY'RE SEPARATED FROM EVERY OTHER ENTITY THAT ADVERTISES ON THAT. SO WE AND YEAH, WE'VE BEEN, THEY LISTEN TO US AND THEY, IF THEY SEE SOMETHING OR WE GIVE THEM A SUGGESTION, THEY HAVE NO PROBLEM IN, IN MAKING IT BETTER. THEY'RE REALLY GOOD TO WORK WITH. SO YEAH, SHE DID A TERRIFIC JOB. WE REALLY THANK HER FOR WHAT SHE DID. I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO KEEP PURSUING AND DEVELOPING. I'M NOT SURE IF WE'RE READY TO TOTALLY TURN OFF THE NEWSPAPER SIDE YET, BECAUSE I WOULD WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE ACCESS TO THAT REGISTRY TO SEE WHO'S ON IT. AND, WELL, THE REGISTRY IS SOMETHING THAT WE CREATE AS PEOPLE. THE REGISTRY IS SOMETHING THAT THE CITY WOULD DEVELOP IF PEOPLE WANTED TO GET MAILED A NOTICE. SO THAT'S DIFFERENT. I MEAN, BECAUSE THERE IS A STATE REQUIREMENT THAT I CREATE A REGISTRY OF PEOPLE AND WE WOULD HAVE TO MAIL NOTICES IF THEY REQUEST IT. SO THE REGISTRY DOESN'T INCLUDE THE PEOPLE WHO SIGNED UP FOR EMAILS. IT'S ONLY SNAIL MAIL, RIGHT? YES. YEAH. WELL, I THINK THE CITY SHOULD HAVE ACCESS TO THE EMAIL LIST TOO, JUST SO WE CAN UNDERSTAND HOW ROBUST IT IS, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE USING IT BEFORE WE DISCONTINUE THE NEWSPAPERS. JUST MY MY PERSPECTIVE. ON KRAMER AND THEN BARTON ON THE MONEY THING. THANK YOU. THAT SLIDE EIGHT. NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IN 2024, 2025, 60 GRAND. THAT WAS ONE YEAR, 6000. RIGHT. THE OTHER SLIDE WAS OVER A THREE YEAR PERIOD. IT WAS 170,000. SO THAT'S THE SAVINGS, RIGHT? NOT COUNTING STAFF, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY. RIGHT. YOU KNOW SO MUCH. YES. NO. I THINK THE MAYOR WAS JUST PICKING UP MY DEPARTMENT SAVINGS, THE 14000 NOT CITY WIDE. WELL I SEE ALL THE SAVINGS. I THINK THAT'S WORTHWHILE. AND I'M A GUY THAT GETS PAID FOR COVER TO COVER JUST ABOUT EVERY DAY. I STILL HAVE BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN THAT. I DON'T THINK THAT IT IS A PRACTICAL TOOL FOR DELIVERING INFORMATION. LIKE. BECAUSE NOBODY GETS PAID FOR ANYMORE, HARDLY ANYBODY ANYMORE. I THINK IT ENABLES US TO JUST TO TRY TO SUPPORT THOSE THINGS, BUT. THE NOTION THAT WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE SIGNING UP, WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE GETTING THE PAPER. WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE READING THE PAPER. WHEN THEY DO GET IT, WHO'S GOING TO STOP? STOP. I, I GLANCE AT THE NOTICES LIKE I'M LIKE, OKAY. SO I, AND I'M, I'M NO MEASURE OF ANYTHING. BUT MY POINT IS, I HAVE NO PROBLEM SHUTTING OFF THE NEWSPAPER SPIGOT OTHER THAN THE FACT THAT I THINK WE SHOULD SUPPORT LOCAL NEWSPAPERS, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A GREAT USE OF OUR TAXPAYER MONEY. I'M SORRY. NO THANK YOU. THE COUNTY'S BEEN DOING THIS ALREADY FOR COUNTY BUSINESS. YES. AND HAVE THEY TURNED OFF THE NEWSPAPERS? YES. AND SO HAS MARCO. AND SO HAS EVERGLADES. HAVE DID THEY HAVE A MASSIVE INFLUX OF PEOPLE THAT WEREN'T GETTING INFORMATION AND THEREFORE THEY WANTED TO BURN THE PLACE DOWN. THERE'S BEEN NO REPORT THAT ANYBODY WAS ANGRY. YOU COMMUNICATE WITH THOSE CLERKS, RIGHT. SO THOSE CLERKS HAVE NOT TOLD YOU THAT THERE'S THERE'S A MAJOR PROBLEM WITH THIS. AND THE PUBLIC IS NOT GETTING THE INFORMATION RIGHT. AND, AND I DON'T THINK THEY'RE AS TRANSPARENT AS WE ARE WITH OUR LEGAL NOTICE TAB RIGHT ON THE HOME PAGE. I MEAN, IT'S YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HEARD THAT, BUT THE COUNTY'S DONE THIS ALREADY. THE COUNTY'S DONE THIS ALREADY. AND THEY DID NOT HAVE A MASSIVE INFLUX OF PEOPLE NOT GETTING INFORMATION. AND, YOU KNOW, THEY WEREN'T THEY WEREN'T MARCHING ON, ON THE COUNTY COUNTY BUILDING OVER THERE WITH PITCHFORKS SAYING, PUT IT BACK IN THE PAPER. THEY FIGURED OUT HOW TO GET THE INFORMATION THEY NEEDED TO GET, AND THEY MOVED ON WITH THEIR LIVES. I BELIEVE WE'VE ALREADY WE'VE GIVEN THE CITY OF NAPLES. 
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WE'VE DONE A TRANSITION PERIOD WHERE WE'RE DOING BOTH. I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, CHANGE IS HARD, BUT LET'S MARCH ON. WE SHOULD WE SHOULD WE SHOULD PROBABLY DO THIS. YEAH, MODERNIZING IS GOOD. 
          JUST A QUICK ONE SECOND. I'M SORRY. OKAY. AND THEN I WOULD, I WOULD JUST ECHO BASICALLY WHAT MR. BARTON SAID. WE WERE IN THE NEWSPAPER BUSINESS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE WE PRETTY WELL KNOW WHAT THE PULSE IS RELATIVE TO THAT PARTICULAR BUSINESS. INTERESTINGLY ENOUGH, THE TWO PAPERS HERE ARE DOING QUITE WELL. THAT ISN'T TRUE IN ALL MARKETS. BUT I THINK I THINK WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS SHOWING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF PERSPICACITY. THOSE PAPERS ARE NOT GOING TO LAST FOREVER. I HATE TO SAY IT. SO YOU'RE CREATING NOW A NEW PARADIGM, A NEW SHIFT IN HABITS. 
          AND I THINK IT'S I THINK YOU LOOK VERY FORWARD THINKING IN DOING SO. SO I THINK YOU'RE I WOULD SAY YOU'RE VERY PERSPICACIOUS FOR HAVING DONE THIS. YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO DO IT EVENTUALLY ANYWAY. SO YOU'RE CREATING THE HABIT BEFORE IT'S NECESSARY. NO, I HAVE AND THEN. SCHULTZ. YEAH, I'M, I DO GET THE PAPER ELECTRONICALLY, BUT IT'S NO DIFFERENT GOING ELECTRONICALLY AND GOING TO THE WEBSITE FOR THE INFORMATION. SO I DO SEE LESS NOTICES IN THE PAPER ELECTRONICALLY. AND I LOOK AT IT, GLANCE AT IT. SO I THINK IT'S GREAT WHAT YOU'RE DOING. AND I'M FOR GOING 100% ELECTRONIC. THE PAPERS LIKE THE FAX MACHINE. NOW THAT'S GOING AWAY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I HAVE A FAX MACHINE STILL IN MY OFFICE, BUT I NEVER USED IT LIKE ONCE EVERY LAST WEEK. SOMETIMES AN ATTORNEY WOULD WANT SOMETHING FAXED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. SO BUT IT'S RARE, RARE EVENT. I WISH I COULD JUST TURN IT OFF, WHICH, YOU KNOW, THE ONE TIME IN THREE YEARS I, IT GETS USED, BUT BUT YEAH, I'M DEFINITELY ALL IN ON THE SAVINGS THERE. THANK YOU. IN MY MICHIGAN STATE DAYS, I GOT A DEGREE IN JOURNALISM. THE FIRST THING FOR MY. THE PROF. THE FIRST GUY SAID, YOUNG MAN, IF YOU CONSUME THE MEDIA AND YOU'RE LISTENING TO IT, YOU'RE MISINFORMED. IF YOU DON'T LOOK AT IT ALL, YOU'RE UNINFORMED. WHICH IS BETTER OR WHICH IS WORSE? OKAY, WELL, I DO NOT HAVE PUBLIC COMMENT. I WILL JUST SAY, I THINK I APPLAUD YOU FOR TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          IT'S JUST YOUR ADS. IT BROUGHT UP A LOT OF QUESTIONS TO ME BECAUSE WHEN I LOOKED AT THE SECTIONS THAT WERE BEING AFFECTED, THEY WERE ONES OF CONCERN. SO IT'S NOT JUST YOUR NOTICES, IT'S THE CITY MANAGER'S NOTICES AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT NOTICES. 
          BUT JUST SO THAT WE KNOW THAT, OH, IN PURCHASING, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHAT ONES ARE, AS MR. MCCONNELL WOULD SAY, THAT WE CANNOT ALLOW TO GO IN ELECTRONICALLY BECAUSE IN THE STATUTE, THERE ARE ONES THAT YOU MUST ADVERTISE, CORRECT, OR HAVE A DIFFERENT WAY OF ADVERTISING. SO THERE'S A FEW THINGS, AND I'M SORRY I DIDN'T CATCH THIS EARLIER, PAT, BECAUSE I WANT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION, BUT THEN I'M GOING TO KIND OF JUST TURN THIS TRAIN OFF TRACKS, UNFORTUNATELY. COMP PLAN, I WOULD SAY DO. I MEAN, I THINK THE TRIM NOTICES BASED ON MY RESEARCH, WE SHOULD STILL DO LIKE MAIL, BUT AND PUBLISH OR, BUT I, BUT I HONESTLY, WELL, WE DEFINITELY HAVE TO MAIL, BUT WE SHOULD DEFINITELY PUBLISH IT, ALTHOUGH I DO THINK IT SAYS IN ACCORDANCE WITH CHAPTER 50, WHICH IS, IS THERE. SO I THINK THERE'S AN ARGUMENT THAT WE COULD ACTUALLY PUBLISH ON THE WEBSITE, THE NOTICE. BUT WHAT I NOTICED, AND I SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT IT EARLIER, IS THAT A PORTION OF THIS, ABOUT HALF THIS ORDINANCE IS AMENDING SECTIONS AND LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE. YEAH. WHICH PURSUANT TO STATUTE IS REQUIRED TO BE PRESENTED TO THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY FIRST, AKA YOUR PLANNING BOARD. SORRY. SO IF IF WE DO WANT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, I WOULD JUST APPROVE IT. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE COULD BIFURCATE THE TWO, BUT IT WOULD JUST BE APPROVED UP UNTIL NOT INCLUDING 44 A OR ANY OF THOSE OTHER SECTIONS. I'M SORRY, WHAT SECTIONS 44 A IS THE FIRST LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE SECTION. 
          BECAUSE THAT WOULD HAVE TO GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD. SO SORRY. IRONICALLY, THE AD FOR THE PAPER. OH, ERICA. I'M SORRY, MISS MARTIN, DO YOU MIND? SORRY. NO. I'M KIDDING. PLEASE. SORRY. 
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ROLLING CHAIR. NO, I DON'T WANT TO COMPLICATE. BUT THE IRONY IS THAT THE AD FOR THE PAPER FOR THE JUNE PAB MEETING IS DUE TODAY. SO IF WE'RE TRYING TO PUT THIS ON THE JUNE PAB, THAT'S ANOTHER PROBLEM WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH. I WOULD HAVE TO ADVERTISE IT TODAY. I WOULD HAVE TO MAY JUST SENT THE AD BUT WE CAN. YEAH. NO WAIT. SO I THINK WE'RE HERE NOW. I THINK YOUR CITY ATTORNEY HAS JUST ADVISED YOU THAT IT NEEDS TO GO TO THE LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY, AND I THINK YOU COULD SIMPLY JUST MENTION IT TO GO THERE. TECHNICALLY, AN ORDINANCE DOES NOT HAVE TO BE ADVERTISED UNTIL TEN DAYS BEFORE SECOND READING IN THE NEWSPAPER. THAT IS WHAT THE LAW SAYS OR THE WEBSITE OR THE WEBSITE. NOW, I WILL SAY FROM A LEGAL MATTER, BECAUSE I'VE OVERTURNED CASES AS A PRIVATE ATTORNEY ON DUE PROCESS, IT'S THE EASIEST WAY TO WIN AT A LOCAL LEVEL IN COURT IS YOU DIDN'T FOLLOW THE NOTICE REQUIREMENTS. SO I WILL SAY THIS MAKES ME HAPPY IN THAT A DUE PROCESS ARGUMENT, FOR EXAMPLE, MAYBE YOU DIDN'T KEEP THE SAME FONT OF THE ADVERTISEMENT IN THE NEWSPAPER, RIGHT? MAYBE YOU DID EIGHT BY TEN INSTEAD OF EIGHT BY 11. BOOM. IMMEDIATELY THE DECISION YOU MADE IS OVERTURNED. SO THIS DOES GIVE US A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY TO AVOID THOSE DUE PROCESS ARGUMENTS. BUT WITH THAT, I THINK I'VE DONE ENOUGH DAMAGE. SO SORRY PAT. OKAY. CAN I I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT WE REFER THIS TO THE PAB AND THEN IT COMES BACK TO US AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. IS THAT RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. YES. SECOND. SECOND. DON'T SAY THAT. SO SAD. WELL, I FEEL BAD. I SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT IT BEFORE. ALL RIGHT, MAN. SECOND. OKAY, LET'S MOVE ON. WELL, I THINK YOU SHOULD READ THE TITLE FIRST. SO YOU HAVE TO READ IT. SO. SO THE MOTION IS TO REFER THIS TO THE JUNE. JUNE 10TH PAB MEETING. OKAY. AND THEN I NEED A AND THEN I NEED TO A DATE CERTAIN JUNE 10TH. YES. MY I'LL I'LL I'LL AMEND THAT MOTION, AMEND THAT MOTION TO SAY THAT I MOVE THAT THIS ITEM BE REFERRED TO JUNE 10TH PAB MEETING TO BE HEARD BY YOUR LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY TO BE HEARD BY OUR LOCAL PLANNING AGENCY. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION BY COUNCIL MEMBER KRAMER AND A SECOND BY COUNCIL MEMBER BARTON. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. SCHULTZ. I COUNCIL MEMBER PENNYMAN. YES. VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP. YES. 
          COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. CRAMER. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KROL. YES. 
          MAYOR HARTMAN. YES. AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR EFFORTS. MRS. RAMOS WILL GET THERE. THANK YOU. 
          [16.A) Second Reading of an Ordinance related to the 6-Month Review of Live Entertainment Permits.
 
An Ordinance Amending Regulations Relating to the Six-Month Review of New Live Entertainment Permits; Amending Subsection (E)(7) of Section 56-125, Live Entertainment Permit, Of Article IV, Standards Applicable to Commercial Districts, of Chapter 56, Supplemental Standards, of the Code of Ordinances, City of Naples; Providing for Codification; Conflicts; Severability; Correction of Scrivener’s Error; Construction; Publication; and Providing an Effective Date.]
OKAY. THAT. TAKES US ONE STEP CLOSER TO ITEM 16, A MISS MARTIN, MISS. YES. NO. MR. MCCONNELL. YES. GLADLY. THANK YOU. MAYOR. AN ORDINANCE AMENDING REGULATIONS RELATING TO THE SIX MONTH REVIEW OF NEW LIVE ENTERTAINMENT PERMITS, AMENDING SUBSECTION E SEVEN OF SECTION 56. 125 LIVE ENTERTAINMENT PERMIT OF ARTICLE FOUR STANDARDS APPLICABLE TO COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS OF CHAPTER 56. SUPPLEMENTAL STANDARDS OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. CITY OF NAPLES PROVIDING FOR CODIFICATION, CONFLICT, SEVERABILITY. CORRECTION OF SCRIVENER'S ERRORS, CONSTRUCTION, PUBLICATION AND PROVIDING AN EFFECTIVE DATE. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCIL ERIC MARTIN, PLANNING DIRECTOR. THIS IS SECOND READING OF AN ORDINANCE THAT YOU PREVIOUSLY PASSED ON FIRST READING. THIS IS RELATING TO THE SIX MONTH REVIEW IN YOUR CODE OF ORDINANCES FOR LIVE ENTERTAINMENT PERMITS. 
          CURRENTLY, THE CODE REQUIRES THAT. WITHIN THAT, AFTER SIX MONTHS AFTER APPROVAL OF A LIVE ENTERTAINMENT PERMIT, STAFF WILL BRING THE ITEM TO COUNCIL FOR REVIEW. WHAT THAT LANGUAGE. 
          THE WORD REVIEW MEANS THAT IT'S A FULL AGENDA ITEM, WHICH IS A LENGTHY PROCESS WHEN ABOUT 99% OF THE TIME WE COME HERE TO TELL YOU THAT THERE HAVEN'T BEEN ANY ISSUES. SO WHAT WE WORKED WITH THE CITY ATTORNEY, WE AMENDED THE LANGUAGE. THIS IS IN SECTION 56-125, SUBSECTION E SEVEN OF THE CODE, AND WE AMENDED THE LANGUAGE TO ALLOW US TO BRING THAT, BRING THESE REVIEWS BEFORE YOU AS A INFORMATIONAL ITEM ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WHEN THERE ARE NO ISSUES. AND THEN SHOULD THERE BE VIOLATIONS OR, YOU KNOW, ISSUES THAT WE ARE REPORTING TO YOU, COUNCIL HAS THE OPPORTUNITY TO SCHEDULE THIS FOR A HEARING, A FULL HEARING ITEM. SO YOU COULD CONSIDER REVOCATION OR REVISION OF THE APPROVAL. SO THAT IS NO 
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CHANGES SINCE FIRST READING. YOU HAD FIRST READING TWO WEEKS AGO, AND WE HAVEN'T MADE ANY CHANGES TO THIS ITEM. ANY QUESTIONS? COUNCIL. SECOND, I HAVE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FROM COUNCIL MEMBER AND A SECOND FROM VICE MAYOR BLANKENSHIP. OH, NO. MADAM CLERK, PLEASE PULL THE COUNCIL. COUNCIL MEMBER. PENMAN. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KRAMER. YES. COUNCILMEMBER. 
          SCHULTZ. YES. VICE MAYOR. BLANKENSHIP. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. BARTON. YES. COUNCIL MEMBER. KROLL. YES. MAYOR. HARTMAN. YES. THANK YOU. COUNCIL PASSES UNANIMOUSLY. 
          THANK YOU, MISS MARTIN. JUST FOR THE RECORD, THERE WAS NO PUBLIC COMMENT. CORRECT, SIR. 
          NO PUBLIC COMMENT. THANK YOU, THANK YOU. OKAY. THAT NOW TAKES US TO GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          [18) COMMUNICATIONS FROM MAYOR, CITY COUNCIL, AND STAFF]
MADAM CLERK SEEING NONE. OKAY. COMMUNICATIONS. WE'LL START. COUNCIL MEMBER CARL. I'LL KEEP IT BRIEF. ON A LIGHT NOTE AND SEEING THE ROOM FULL THIS MORNING, I THINK WE SHOULD HAVE AN ESSAY CONTEST FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. ALL JOKING ASIDE, CHRISTIAN, SANDRA DID A GREAT JOB WITH STAFF, AND I'D LIKE TO THANK EVERYBODY INVOLVED IN IT. ALL THE SCHOOL TEACHERS AND. BURNED SPOUSE AND PRINCIPALS THAT WERE THERE, AND THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT THAT HELPED WITH THIS EFFORT. SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY GREAT. THE OTHER THING SINCE NOW MAY IS WATER SAFETY MONTH. I JUST WANT TO ALERT EVERYBODY THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT DOES A LOT OF WATER, THESE UNSECURED POOLS, WHO KNOWS HOW MANY LIVES THEY'VE SAVED WITH THAT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO THANK BILL QUINCY AND THE STAFF AND THE BOARD MEMBERS THERE BECAUSE THEY THAT LIFE AND SAFETY ISSUES, THEY'RE REALLY ON IT QUICKLY. AND WHEN IT COMES TO BE LIKE A POOL UNSECURED, THEY'RE LIKE, THAT'S BE DONE LIKE NOW. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SO, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ON IT AND THEY'VE, THEY'VE, WHO KNOWS HOW MANY LIVES THEY'VE SAVED BY DOING THAT. AND THEN THIS IS A QUICK THANK YOU TO DOCTOR GEORGE FOR FINDING CREATIVE WAYS TO BRING IN SOME MONEY IN THE CITY. I, I APPRECIATE THAT PERSONALLY. AND I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING FOR ALL OF US. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. COUNCIL MEMBER MARTIN, IN REFERENCE TO THE COMMENTS FROM MR. RUBY EARLIER TODAY ON THE ROOFTOP RESTAURANTS, I THINK THAT WARRANTS FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM US IN REFERENCE TO POTENTIALLY EXTENDING THE PILOT PROGRAM, OR MAYBE EVEN CHANGING THE ORDINANCES THAT ALLOW ROOFTOP. AND I, AND I, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, CORRECT. IT DOESN'T MATTER RIGHT NOW. AGAIN, WE CAN HAVE THE I'M SUGGESTING WE SIMPLY HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK IT ALSO THE ORDINANCE MAYBE IS THERE'S THERE'S A RULES AGAINST SECOND FLOOR EVEN. AND THE WHOLE POINT OF MAKING SUGGESTING THOSE RULES TO BEGIN WITH AS ORDINANCE TO BEGIN WITH, WAS TO PUT PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC ON THE SIDEWALKS FOR FIFTH AVENUE TO REJUVENATE THAT AREA. WELL, I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT THE AREA HAS BEEN REJUVENATED. SO THE RATIONALE FOR FOR NOT ALLOWING RESTAURANTS ON SECOND FLOOR, ROOFTOP OR WHATEVER DOESN'T NECESSARILY STAND. AND I THINK, AGAIN, I THINK IT WARRANTS A FURTHER DISCUSSION FROM US AS TO WHETHER WE WANT TO MAKE ANY CHANGES TO THAT AT MOVING FORWARD. IF WE'RE TRYING TO GET A CONSENSUS FIRST, WE'LL GO WITH THAT PARTICULAR SPACE. 
          I DON'T SEE HARM IN THAT SPACE. HOWEVER, I DO SEE HARM IN GOING ALL THE WAY DOWN FIFTH AVENUE. 
          YOU YOU CREATE A MORE OF A KEY WEST ATMOSPHERE. I LOVE A GOOD SECOND FLOOR RESTAURANT OR A ROOFTOP RESTAURANT, BUT THAT'S JUST IN THAT AREA WITH THE RESIDENTIAL, I THINK WE'RE WE NEED TO BE EVER SO CAUTIOUS AND DO A LOT OF INVESTIGATION BEFORE WE GO SAYING WE WANT TO GET RID OF. AND LIKE I SAID, I THINK IT WARRANTS A DISCUSSION. I'M NOT SUGGESTING WE MAKE THE DECISION AS TO WHAT IS RIGHT OR WRONG RIGHT NOW, BUT I THINK THAT WE AS A BODY SHOULD HAVE A, A A HEARTY DISCUSSION IN REFERENCE TO WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THAT PARTICULAR AREA. TO THAT YOU ALWAYS THINK IT'S HARMLESS, BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK THAT THAT ROOFTOP BAR THAT TURNED INTO A PRIVATE BAR THAT TURNED INTO A MAJOR STRUCTURAL ISSUE WAS I THOUGHT IT WAS HARMLESS, YOU KNOW? SO NOW WE IT'S IT'S GOT CREEP, IT'S GOT LEGS. AND IT'S JUST 
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YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL IF, IF THAT'S WHAT THIS COMMUNITY WANTS. AND AGAIN, I'D LIKE US TO BE CORRECT IF THAT'S WHAT THE COMMUNITY WANTS AND IF THAT'S IF THAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF. BUT THAT'S WHAT THE DISCUSSION WOULD BE ABOUT. AND, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANT TO PUT GUARDRAILS ON IT AND SAY, YOU KNOW, I THINK IT WORKS FOR THIS BUILDING AND NOT THE REST OF THEM, LET'S LET'S CHAT ABOUT IT. LET'S FIGURE IT OUT. AND MAYBE IT'S MAYBE THE ANSWER IS IT DOESN'T WORK FOR ANY OF THEM. BUT I THINK THAT WE AS A BODY SHOULD, SHOULD HAVE THAT CONVERSATION AND MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHAT'S, AGAIN, WHAT'S IN WHAT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST OF OUR OF OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR CONSTITUENTS. AND I'M JUST CAUTIONING THE PEER PRESSURE THAT HAPPENS FROM DEVELOPERS ON, ON PUSHING THE ENVELOPE. BUT IF IT'S A WARRANTED CHANGE, THEN I AGREE. BUT I, I THOUGHT IT WAS IT WAS GOING TO BE OKAY THERE, BUT I DIDN'T THINK WE WERE GOING TO HAVE RESIDENTIAL ON THE AVENUES EITHER. AND SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW, WITH ALL THE REDEVELOPMENT, ALL I'M SUGGESTING IS, IS WE GET A CONSENSUS TO HAVE THE DISCUSSION ON THE ONE OR ALL. WELL, AGAIN, I THINK THAT THAT THAT THAT CAN BE THE DISCUSSION. YOU KNOW, AS WE DISCUSS HOW WE WANT TO MAKE A CHANGE. DOES THE CHANGE CONSIST OF SIMPLY EXTENDING THAT PILOT TIME FRAME SO THAT INSTEAD OF EXPIRING AT, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY EXPIRES IN JUNE, MAYBE IT EXPIRES NEXT JUNE OR NEXT THE FOLLOWING DECEMBER OR WHATEVER. NUMBER ONE, WE CAN DISCUSS THAT. NUMBER TWO. AND SO IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A PERMANENT CHANGE TO ORDINANCES. WE CAN DO IT IN THE SAME FASHION THAT YOU GUYS DID THE LAST TIME I SAW YOU GUYS, BECAUSE WE WEREN'T ON I WASN'T ON COUNCIL WHEN YOU MADE THAT DECISION LAST TIME. AND THEN ALSO WE CAN PUT GUARDRAILS AND PARAMETERS AS TO WHAT WE THINK IS ACCEPTABLE AS TO HOW OR WHEN OR I'M SORRY, HOW OR WHAT SIZE OR WHAT BUILDINGS. I MEAN, AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WHAT I WANT TO HEAR FROM YOU GUYS AND, AND I WANT YOU GUYS TO GIVE ME FEEDBACK FROM WHAT YOU'RE HEARING FROM OUR CONSTITUENTS AND OUR RESIDENTS, AS I WILL DO THE SAME. AND THEN WE AS A AS A BODY, WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT'S IN EVERYBODY'S BEST INTEREST. AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THAT WE NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THE SPECIFICS HERE. I THINK WE WANT TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT THE SPECIFICS SHOULD BE. AND YES, BUT I HEARD CLEARLY THAT THE ORDINANCE FOR THIS PARTICULAR PILOT PROGRAM IS RUNNING OUT. SO TO ADDRESS THAT, AND I DON'T EVEN KNOW, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT ORDINANCE BETTER THAN I DO WHAT IT WAS THAT JUST FOR THAT BUILDING OR WAS IT FOR THE BLOCK? OKAY. SO AGAIN, I'M MY SUGGESTION IS THAT WE DISCUSS THE POTENTIAL OF EXTENDING THAT ORDINANCE. I MEAN, EXTENDING THAT PILOT PROGRAM OR BUT, BUT I'M OPEN TO, YOU KNOW, DEEP DISCUSSIONS AND DELVING INTO IT, JUST NOT DEEP DISCUSSION. NOW THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. YES, YES, YES. BLANKENSHIP ON THAT. IT WAS A FIVE YEAR PILOT PROGRAM FOR THE 800 BLOCK OF FIFTH AVENUE, WHICH I WOULD SUPPORT THE ONE THEY ASKED FOR A ONE YEAR EXTENSION SO THEY CAN WORK ON THEIR PROJECT. AND I WOULD SUPPORT THAT BECAUSE WE LOST A YEAR DUE TO HURRICANE IAN THAT INTERRUPTED THE WHOLE PILOT PROCESS. SO THE ONE THAT HAS BEEN BUILT WAS DELAYED BECAUSE OF THE HURRICANE RECOVERY EFFORTS, AND OTHER PEOPLE'S PROJECTS HAVE BEEN DELAYED. SO TO ME, SPLITTING IT INTO TWO ONE THAT'S CONSIDER A QUICK ONE YEAR EXTENSION OF THE PILOT. AND THEN THAT GIVES US MORE TIME FOR THE SECOND PART OF THE DISCUSSION ABOUT DO WE WANT TO EXPAND THE PILOT PROGRAM FURTHER, LOGICALLY? YEAH, I, I CONCUR AND I WOULD BE I'D BE HAPPY TO, TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS. IF EVERYBODY WANTS TO HAVE THOSE, I NEED A CONSENSUS. YES, YES. I THINK WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT IT. YES, YES. THE PARAMETERS THOUGH WOULD BE I'M CLARIFYING JUST THE PILOT PROGRAM THAT'S ESTABLISHED. IF WE WANT TO GO DEEPER, WE'LL HAVE TO PUT THAT ON OUR PRIORITIES LIST. I'M FINE WITH THAT. I THINK MY CONCERN WOULD BE, QUITE FRANKLY, IS I KEEP IN TOUCH WITH CODE ENFORCEMENT TO SEE IF THERE'S COMPLAINTS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOODS RELATIVE TO NOISE VOICES ON THE ONE THAT'S EXISTING ONE. YEAH, YEAH. AND I THINK PHIL MCCABE USED TO HAVE A ROOFTOP A MINUTE, DID HE NOT? AND IT'S TOLL OR SOMETHING. OH YEAH. THERE ARE A COUPLE OF LOCATIONS. THERE ARE A COUPLE LOCATIONS THAT ARE THAT ARE GRANDFATHERED IN. I KNOW LIKE DEL MAR HAS A SECOND STORY THAT WAS ALREADY THERE. SO THERE ARE A COUPLE OF LOCATIONS THAT YOU'RE RIGHT THAT WERE GRANDFATHERED IN, BUT THEY WERE GRANDFATHERED IN AND WEREN'T NECESSARILY PART OF THAT PILOT PROCESS. GOTCHA. YOU HAVE A QUESTION? JUST A QUICK COMMENT. I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY. IT DOESN'T GO AWAY BECAUSE THE PROVISIONS ARE STILL THERE. IT JUST ESSENTIALLY LEAVES IT NON-CONFORMING, RIGHT? SO THEY DON'T HAVE TO REMOVE THEIR ROOFTOP. WHEN THIS PILOT PROGRAM THAT ALLOWS NEW PEOPLE. 
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YEAH, LIKE NO ONE ELSE CAN USE THIS, BUT THE STRUCTURE THAT'S BEEN BUILT CAN STAY THERE. THEY ARE JUST TREATED AS NON-CONFORMING. RIGHT? BUT WE'RE SUGGESTING LET'S LOOK AT AMENDING THE SUNSET DATE, EXTENDING IT BY ONE YEAR SO THAT THIS NEW POTENTIAL RESTAURANT CAN APPLY AND GO WORK, HAVE TIME TO WORK THROUGH THE PROCESS. THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE APPROVAL PROCESS, WHICH WHICH CAN BE DONE. I THINK IT WOULD HAVE TO PROBABLY BE ORDINANCE CHANGE. AND AGAIN, IF YOU ONLY EXTENDED IT FOR A YEAR AND LET'S SAY THEY GOT THEIR PERMIT, NOW, YOU WOULD HAVE TWO NON-CONFORMING ROOFTOP STRUCTURES THAT COULD NEVER ESSENTIALLY DO ANYTHING. REALLY? YEAH. AT THE END, IN MY VIEW, AT THE END OF THE EXTENDED PILOT PERIOD, WE HAD TO MAKE A DECISION AND LIKE, DO WE LIKE IT? DID IT WORK? DO WE PERMANENTLY EXTEND IT? DO WE TEMPORARILY EXTEND IT OR DO WE END IT? YEAH. YOU KNOW. RIGHT. 
          AND I WAS NOT THAT'S. THANK YOU. I THINK WE GOT A CONSENSUS, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. AND THEN THE SECOND ITEM WAS THE RIVER PARK EAST. MR. YOUNG, I'M SORRY. SORRY. COUNCIL MEMBER. DID WE. 
          OH, YEAH. YEAH. OH, OKAY. OKAY. GOOD. THE RIVER PARK EAST, IF YOU WANT TO JUST TOUCH REAL QUICK ON THE SCHEDULE. ARE WE ON SCHEDULE FOR WHAT WE HAD, WHAT WE HAD HAD APPROVED TO DO OVER THERE AND MAYBE DISCUSS THE FUNDING BRIEFLY. BUT YEAH, I MEAN, THAT WAS IN THE CIP ON MONDAY AND IT'S STILL SCHEDULED. AND ACTUALLY YOU'LL BE DISCUSSING IT IN MORE DETAIL ON BECAUSE WE DID CITY WIDE. REMEMBER, THERE'S CITYWIDE RAMIFICATIONS. THAT'S THAT'S WHY WE TOUCHED ON IT. ON MONDAY. THE CRA WILL MEET AGAIN ON 611, AND YOU'LL DEPICT THAT BUDGET GOING INTO THE NEXT YEAR. AND THEN ACTUALLY, I THINK IT'LL BE IN AUGUST. I HOPE IT'S IN AUGUST OR MAYBE SOONER. BUT WE'LL BE COMING TO YOU WITH ACTUALLY THE AWARD OF THE ENGINEERING CONTRACT HERE AND THEN WITHIN THE NEXT TWO MONTHS. SO WE'RE IN THE FINAL STAGES OF DRAFTING THAT. AND SO YES, AND THE FUNDING IS STILL SCHEDULED TO BE THE CRA ON THE WATER STORMWATER, EXCUSE ME, THE STORMWATER AND THE STREET PART OF IT. AND THEN THAT THE WATER AND SEWER FUND, WE'VE ALSO EARMARKED THOSE DOLLARS IN THE OUT YEARS AND THE FIVE YEAR CIP FOR THE TWO YEARS OUT. NOW, AGAIN, THAT ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION WILL DEPEND ON ENGINEERING AND PERMITTING. BUT OBVIOUSLY, WE'RE WE'RE MOVING EXACTLY AT THE PACE THAT WE DEPICTED. WE WOULD BE AND ARE HAVING THOSE APPROPRIATIONS PUT IN PLACE. GREAT. I KNOW THAT WE DID TOUCH ON THAT ON MONDAY, BUT JUST IN CASE MR. WHITAKER WAS WAS WAS EYEBALLING THE MEETING HERE TODAY OR THIS AFTERNOON OR WANTED TO GO BACK AND LOOK, I WANTED TO WANTED HIM TO BE REASSURED THAT WE ARE IT'S STILL STILL SOMETHING THAT WE'RE WE'RE DOING AND TACKLING. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR. YES. AND ON JUNE 11TH AT THIS AREA MEETING, YOU ALSO GET AN UPDATE AS TO WHEN WE THINK WE'LL BE BRINGING THAT CONTRACT FOR THE AWARD FOR ENGINEERING TO. SO THEY DO UNDERSTAND THAT THAT TWO YEARS WILL TAKE A GOOD COUPLE OF YEARS BEFORE THEY GET ANY RELIEF. I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. YEAH, WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT DONE FOR THIS HURRICANE SEASON. IT STARTS IN NINE DAYS, BUT WE ARE MOVING FORWARD. AND COUNCIL ACTED ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TO INCREASE CAPACITY ON THOSE TEMPORARY PUMPS AND EVERYTHING. 
          SO AND WE IDENTIFIED THAT WE ARE STILL WORKING ON PUTTING THOSE IN PLACE AND GETTING THOSE EASEMENTS. SO WE FOR THE FOR THIS SEASON, FOR THE TEMPORARY PARKS LIKE WE DID ON 17TH. SO, SO THAT WOULD REQUIRE SOME NEW, SOME ADDITIONAL PERMITTING. NO, WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT PUTTING THE TEMPORARY ONE LIKE WE DID ON 17TH WHERE YOU HAD THE. OH YEAH. 
          THEN WE HAD THE EASEMENTS TO DO MY MISUNDERSTANDING. DOCTOR GEORGE AND HIS STAFF HAVE BEEN WORKING ON THOSE. AND COUNCIL INCREASED CAPACITY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT AS WELL. 
          UNDERSTOOD. THANK YOU, MR. YOUNG FOR THE INFO. KRAMER. YES. REPORT FROM TDC YESTERDAY FOR THE QUARTER JANUARY THROUGH MARCH, VISITORS WERE UP 5.5% AND DIRECT SPENDING WAS UP 8.5%, WHICH ARE ALL SIGNIFICANT IN THE LAST. SINCE I'VE BEEN ON TDC, WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYTHING LIKE THAT SINCE SINCE I'VE BEEN THERE. SO YAY, NAPLES! THANK YOU SCHULTZ. I BROUGHT THIS UP THE OTHER DAY. THE GENTLEMAN THOMPSON DIKE, I THINK HE'S REACHED OUT TO ALL OF US BY NOW, AND I'D LIKE TO TAKE HIM UP ON HIS PROPOSALS AND SEE IF WE CAN'T MAYBE GET THE COOPERATION OF THESE DIFFERENT HOAS OR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATIONS TO CONSIDER HELPING FUND IT, BECAUSE I THINK HE'S AT 40 INTERSECTIONS WITH MAST ARMS IN THE CITY AND THE BIG BOXES THAT ARE AROUND THERE. THEY DO LOOK AT NAPLES. SO THE GREEN JEWEL, IF WE CAN PUT SOME OF THESE ON IT, JUST THE GUY'S IMAGINATION FOR 93 IS JUST BOUNDLESS. AND HE SAID HE'D LIKE TO WORK WITH 
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US. AND I'D SAY FOR YOU, LET'S LET'S GET SOMETHING DONE. SO IF WE COULD FOLLOW UP WITH HIM, I THINK THAT'D BE VERY, VERY USEFUL. I, I NEVER RECEIVED THAT KIND OF STUFF. I THINK THIS HAS TO GO THROUGH STAFF AND THAT IS A PROCUREMENT PROCESS. LIKE WE CAN'T. WELL, YEAH, I THINK YOU'RE GOING DOWN THE RIGHT ROAD IN LOOKING AT MR. YOUNG AND SAYING BECAUSE IT'S A LARGE PROPOSAL, IT'S A LARGE. AND HOW WE CAN POSSIBLY TAKE ONE BITE AT A TIME FOR THE REQUEST. IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING WE NEED TO WORKSHOP SO THAT WE HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING OF EXACTLY WHERE WE'RE GOING. AT THE VERY LEAST, IF IT'S. MR. YOUNG. YEAH, THIS WAS MR. DIKES. 
          WHAT HE SAID. OKAY, I JUST I DIDN'T HEAR AND SO I APOLOGIZE. YEAH. AND I'VE HAD ONE MEETING WITH HIM. I HAVE ANOTHER ONE SCHEDULED WITH HIM. AND I DO THINK IT IS A MATTER OF INCORPORATING BECAUSE AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE STREET FUND IN AND OF ITSELF, WE'RE SUBSIDIZING AND SO ON AND SO FORTH. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT THAT, WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE BUILDING IT INTO WE HAVE SIMILAR REQUESTS. YOU KNOW, HALF THE PEOPLE WANT US TO DO THEIR ALLEYS AS WELL. AND RIGHT. AND THEY WANT AN ALLEY PROGRAM AND WE'RE UP AGAINST THE SAME, YOU KNOW, FINITE NUMBER OF DOLLARS. SO I DO, I DO THINK IT'S A GOOD THING TO WORKSHOP, BUT AND THEN GIVE YOU SOME COST ESTIMATES OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. BUT YEAH, I'M, I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH ENGAGING AND, AND LIKE I SAID, I HAVE IT IN THE PAST WITH MR. DIKES, AND I BELIEVE WE COULD PROBABLY JUST APPROACH THE HOSE AND IN DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS AND SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE LIKE TO DO. THIS IS WHAT IT'S GOING TO COST FOR INTERSECTION. WOULD YOU BE IN FOR IT, YES OR NO? SO A WAY TO FUND IT AS WELL. THANK YOU. WHICH I MIGHT BE SPEAKING OUT, BUT, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THE NEIGHBORHOOD PLANS BACK IN AND UNDERSTANDING WHAT EACH NEIGHBORHOOD WANTS WOULD BE INCORPORATED IN THAT. IF WE CAN GET THOSE BACK IN. YEAH. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. GENTLEMEN, I THINK NOTHING. MR. MAYOR. THANKS. ONE ITEM. WE HAD AN EMAIL LAST NIGHT FROM PARKER BORELLI. DID YOU SEE THAT ABOUT LANDSCAPING BEING BANNED IN EASEMENTS? YES. 
          AND I WASN'T AWARE OF A POLICY CHANGE. I WONDER IF THERE'S MAYBE MISCOMMUNICATION OR MISUNDERSTANDING. YEAH, WE'VE OBVIOUSLY WE LEARNED SOME LESSONS FROM. THE OUTFALL PROJECT, AND THERE WAS A LOT OF TREES THAT HAD TO BE REMOVED AND SOME OTHER THINGS. SO AND YOUR RESOLUTION HAS CERTAIN THINGS ABOUT TREE. YOU KNOW, YOU CAN INSTALL CERTAIN THINGS. 
          IT'S AT THEIR OWN RISK. THEY KNOW THAT. AND THEN THERE'S ALSO THE COMPONENT OF TREES CAN'T BE WITHIN SIX FEET OF OF AN ACTUAL LINE, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THERE'S NEW STAFF AND THERE'S, YOU KNOW, BUT ALLISON AND GEORGE, THERE'S BEEN COMMUNICATION. MR. BORELLI SPOKE WITH ALLISON, I BELIEVE EARLIER TODAY. FRANCESCA IS HAS EMAILED. SO THAT DIALOG IS GOING BACK AND FORTH. AND I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP BECAUSE STAFF IS ON IT AND WE'RE WORKING THROUGH THAT. BUT WE DO HAVE GROWING PAINS. WE HAVE BEEN MORE, I DON'T WANT TO SAY LESS LENIENT AND AND JUST SAY CARTE BLANCHE BECAUSE WE DISCOVERED A LOT OF THINGS THAT COST A LOT OF MONEY RELATED TO THE OUTFALL PROJECT. AND ITS OWN PROBLEM IS, IS THE RESTORATION OF IT IS US JUST PUTTING BACK THE SOD. AND THAT'S BEEN ITS OWN PROBLEM AS WELL. SO SO WE'RE TRUST ME, THERE'S NO LINEAR. THIS IS IT. AND THERE'S NOTHING GOING THERE. 
          BUT IT, IT, IT IS WE'VE HAD THOSE CONVERSATIONS AND AND WE'RE TRYING TO DO THEM ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS. AND WE'LL CONTINUE TO DO SO CONSISTENT WITH THE CODE. BUT BUT THE TREES MORE SO THAN SHRUBS AND, AND SOME PLANTINGS, IT'S THE TREES IS THE BIGGEST PROBLEM THAT WE WILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE DEFINITIVE ON TO MAKE SURE THOSE TREES DON'T END UP IN, DEPENDING ON THE EASEMENT. AND I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT THAT THAT SORT OF. OKAY, SO YOU GUYS HAVE COMMUNICATED BACK TO HIM ABOUT WHAT. YES. ALLISON HAS SPOKEN WITH HIM DIRECTLY. YEAH. 
          AND WE'VE HAD EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE WITH HIM, HIS ATTORNEYS AND, AND OTHERS. OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. NOTHING TODAY. THANK YOU. I JUST HAVE ONE ITEM STAFF AND I'VE APPROVED THAT WE WILL BE LIGHTING THE FIREWORKS OFF OF FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH. WE HAVE THAT IS, WE TOLD YOU WE WOULDN'T GO ANY FURTHER THAN FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH. THAT SEEMS THE MOST LOGICAL. YEAH. ON THE WATER. ON THE WATER. BUT BUT THE JULY. YEAH. THE JULY FIREWORKS WILL OCCUR. I'M ONLY TELLING YOU NOW IS BECAUSE WE'RE OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO START TO, YOU KNOW, FINISH THE BARGE GETTING IT THERE. PEOPLE NEED TO YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT ALL OF THIS TO GET DONE. I WANTED YOU TO KNOW FIRST, ACTUALLY, JUST. BUT THAT'S WHERE WE WILL BE DOING THE FIREWORKS FROM IS FIFTH AVENUE SOUTH IN THE WATER. SO OKAY, I MISSED IT IN THE WATER PARK. WELL, I ADDED THAT, 
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BUT THAT'S IT FOR ME. AND AGAIN, I, I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR INDULGENCE TODAY ON, ON, ON THE PROCESS OF, OF HEARING THE ONE ITEM A SECOND TIME, BUT I THINK IT WAS RELEVANT INFORMATION FOR ALL OF YOU TO HAVE. AND I'M GRATEFUL FOR YOUR PARTICIPATION. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I DO THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION. WE HAVEN'T COMPLETED OUR BOARDS AND COMMITTEES CONVERSATION. WE DEFINITELY WANT TO PUT THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN THE RIGHT BOARDS AND COMMITTEES. WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT HOW WE'RE ADVERTISING FOR THOSE BOARDS AND COMMITTEES. SO I THINK THAT'S A GOOD CONVERSATION TO HAVE WITH MRS. RAMBUS AND CITY MANAGER, OR HOW WE'RE RECRUITING THOSE PEOPLE, BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO GET IN A POSITION WHERE WE DON'T HAVE SOMEBODY FOR IT. CODE ENFORCEMENT AND PUTTING SOMEONE ON THE RIGHT BOARD IS VERY IMPORTANT. WE ALSO HAVE TO BE VERY CAREFUL BY WHO WE APPOINT ON THESE COMMITTEES. WE ARE SO APPRECIATIVE OF ANYONE WHO WANTS TO VOLUNTEER, BUT IF THEY HAVE AGENDAS, IF YOU AND THERE'S A FINE LINE OF ETHICAL ISSUES WITH DRB AND WITH P, A, B, OR EVEN WITH CRAB, IT. I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO BE EVER SO CAREFUL THAT THEY'RE NOT. 
          I'VE SEEN IT IN THE PAST WHERE THEY'RE DRIVING AGENDAS AND WE'RE NOT DRIVING THE AGENDAS. 
          AND THAT'S OUR JOB. THAT'S THOSE ARE OUR BOARDS. WE SHOULD BE GIVING THEM DIRECTIVES, NOT THE OPPOSITE WAY. AND WE'RE A PARTNERSHIP WITH THEM. SO JUST WANT TO SAY WHAT A GREAT DAY, A LOT OF HARD WORK. I WANT TO THANK LEILA ZUK AGAIN. THIS IS THE BOOK. SHE IS OUR. HISTORIAN. 
          AND THIS BOOK IS DONE WITH LOVE, TENDER LOVE, AS KRAMER WOULD SAY. NAPLES, THE SECOND PARADISE. AND IT WAS VERY GENEROUS OF LEILA TO DONATE THOSE TO THE LIBRARIES, TO THE STUDENTS, AS IT WAS EVERYONE ELSE WHO PARTICIPATED. AND AGAIN, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU TO STAFF FOR THE EFFORTS. CHRISTINA, REALLY. AND SANDRA, THEY SPEARHEADED THAT AND THEY DID A LOT OF WORK ON OUR BEHALF. SO THANK YOU. AND WITH THAT,
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